HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: MLK & U-2 & Disposable Heroes of Hip.
Date: 8 Sep 1992 08:43:54 -0500
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: bach.crhc.uiuc.edu

barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart) writes:
>change," as the Jesus People say.  In that pursuit, I'm sorry to
>say, I don't see much of a role for U2 and the rest of the 
>entertainment industry, unless they bring these stories right to 
>the fore and say, "This is why we are here today for this concert/
>film/performance," rather than flash an image or two, sing a few
>lyrics over blaring guitar, and call it socially responsible.

Actually, this is just what U2 is trying very hard NOT to do.
They have made it quite clear in interviews that they are trying
to move away from their "rockers as messiahs" image, at least for
this tour. The show is basically a satiric comment on how we
are barraged with information in this technological age. In that
light, I would take the flashing of the MLK images as a biting 
statement on how we are just looking at the pictures, and not
getting the message. I saw the show in Sacremento, and that was
the impression I got. I am going to the St. Louis show, so I pay
particular attention this time.
>Mr. Aaron Barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us -- posting from Evanston, Illinois
Stan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: randym@eskimo.celestial.com (Randall Moeller)
Subject: A book you *must* read
Keywords: black folks, making big money, Trower-Subira
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:44:09 GMT


     "Black Folks' Guide to Making Big Money in America," by
George Trower-Subira, is without question THE BEST book about
money I've ever read.  I first found out about it when Chuck
D recommended it in a fall 1990 issue of Spin.  This is no
shallow get-rich-quick formula.  Subira talks in detail about
what wealth really is, then tell how to develop your own plan
of attack and finally act on the plan.  Good stuff.  There's
a solid list of other useful books, information, & contacts,
a special section of "notes to the Black woman," ideas on
business, etc.  Check it out!
     If you can't find it in a bookstore (entirely possible
because the book is not terribly well-known), you can mail-
order it from Marcus Book Stores in San Francisco.  Their
number is (415) 346-4222; address: 1712 Fillmore St., SF, CA
94115.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: djr48312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (X X)
Subject: Re: FUCK YOU NIGGERS
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 01:07:14 GMT

djr48312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (X X) writes:


>In article <65328@cup.portal.com> Fuck-Head@cup.portal.com (Jeff R Spangenberg) writes:                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^k

>>>DO NOT REPLY TO ME.  I AM COPYING THIS FROM THE NEWSGROUP misc.forsale.computers
>If you have a reply to this I believe mail either: 65328@cup.portal.com
>k>>or Fuck-Head@cup.portal.com  .
>>>
k>NOT ME, I am pointing this ignorant crap out.


>ak>Vote for Jesse Jackson in 1992... He'll give us a REAL reason to 
>>HATE THE FUCKING NIGGERS!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>FUCK YOU ALL!!

>Fuck you too, Jeff.  We don't need any more reasons to hate niggers.
>Not all black people are niggers either.  Some of them are honest,
>hardworking people.  You give them a good education and they won't
>always steal or scalp tickets.  They can be trained to be valuable
>members of society.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: david@gdstech.grumman.com (David Nettles)
Subject: Re: The Republican Party Welcomes African Americans
Reply-To: david@gdstech.UUCP (David Nettles)
Organization: Grumman Data Systems-Woodbury
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:17:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.004514.28195@usl.edu> pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M) writes:
[stuff deleted]
>	Are you sick of those depressing headlines?
>	Tired of same old politicians' song and dance?
>	Do you feel you've been let down once too often?
>			   Well?
>	Maybe what you need is an exciting new hair style...
>	Or how about a fashionable wardrobe to match your personality...
>	Or maybe even a whole new outlook on life to set those blues packing...
>			Hmmmmm...
>	Maybe what you really need is a brand new political party!
>
>		:-) ******* THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ******* :-)
>
>	The party that brought slavery to an end in America  :-)
>	The party that fought to erase Jim Crow in the South  :-)
>	The party that you abandoned during the New Deal  :-(
>	Yes My Friend, The Grand Old Republican Party  :-I
>	The Party of Abraham Lincoln and The Emancipation Party  :-I
>	The Party That Still Welcomes You With Open Arms  :-D
>	Don't believe those greasy Democrats
>	when they tell you you're not good enough anymore,
>	and there's nothing anyone can do for you.
>
>		    :-D  YOU ARE STILL THE BEST  :-D
>	And we're still here, and we want you to join us  :-)
>
>		Come aboard!  There's Plenty of Room!
>
>		Hap-py days are here a-gain!
>		The sky a-bove is clear a-gain!
>				...
>
>	(A public service anouncement of Radio Free Lafayette)
>
>
>-- 
>
>pssres12@ucs.usl.edu	Gerard Vignes, USL PO Box 42709, Lafayette LA 70504 USA
>

You forgot the following relavant tidbits:

	The Party of Pat Buchannan	:-)
	The Party of David Duke		:-)
	The Party of Trickle-Down theories and voodoo-economics	:-)
	The Party that brought Willie Horton to scare white voters
	back into its camp...	:-)

Gosh... looks really good for a black person to me. :-)

One person said something like this once:

	It's cold day.
	30 below zero.
	And there is a swimming pool of warm shit to your left
	and a swimming pool of cold shit to your right.
	Where  do you jump?

In the above, The Republican Party is definitely the cold shit.

And I think that I'll just put up with the warm shit until I can find
myself my own shovel and dig myself a sufficient swimming pool.


--
David		=	Love of All
Edward		=	Defense of Others
Nettles		=	Tenacity to Continue
-- 
****************************************************************************
   David E. Nettles
   Internet: david@gdstech.grumman.com
   Grumman Data Systems
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Lee: Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:48:23 GMT

Little Stevie Stovall said in answer to Terrance Heath's squib
about understanding the Christian God in his own way:

The point was the inappropriateness of the creature telling his
Creator what is and what is not "loving."

What if the Creator created Terrance correctly in the first place?
.
I hope I'm not a creature to the Universe.  Makes me think of a
snail or something.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: FUCK YOU NIGGERS
Date: 8 Sep 92 06:41:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.wef=ilS00UhBQ21aQJ
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 8-Sep-92 Re: FUCK
YOU NIGGERS by X X@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
>  
> >ak>Vote for Jesse Jackson in 1992... He'll give us a REAL reason to 
> >>HATE THE FUCKING NIGGERS!!!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>FUCK YOU ALL!!

Ah, its amazing that in 1992, we can still get young people who can
construct a sentence with a subject, a predicate, and a direct object.

A Gold Star for Effort and a big kissy face to go with it! (Smooch)

DCAL 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: Clinton, Jesse Jackson, and African-Americans
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:56:29 GMT

pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M) writes:

>	The only time politicians pay attention to
>	people's wishes is just before an election.

>	If they are ignoring us now, just before an
>	important race which demands every vote they
>	can muster, you can be absolutly certain that
>	they will feel no obligation once the contest
>	is over---regardless of the outcome.

>	The Democratic leadership is abandoning
>	African American issues not as an emergency
>	win-the-election tactic, but as a calculated
>	long-term strategy to win back much of its
>	original core support: poor white southerners.

>	The departure of Democratic chairman Ron Brown
>	will simply consummate this power shift.


>				Gerard Vignes

I am a poor white southerner, and I have no problems with my political
party supporting African American issues. I am simply glad that at
LEAST our party recognizes that we exist. Republicans only care about
the "extremely fortunate" as it were.
From: simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Review: _We Were Always Free_
Summary: Recent articles
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:02:02 GMT
Organization: UB


	There's an article in Time magazine (last week) and National
Geographic that examine the African American experience with Africans
today. This topic needs to be covered in a book.


-- 
Patrice Simon
simon@acsu.cc.buffalo.edu			v5097ucd@ubvms.buffalo.edu
opnsimon@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.african
From: tolas@microsoft.com (Tola Soyode)
Subject: Re: Ota Benga - The Pygmy in the Zoo [concerning the book]
Date: 06 Sep 92 15:51:59 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

Followup-To: 
Distribution: local
Organization: 

In article <Bu4Bry.6Lt@csn.org> pvb@teal.csn.org wrote:
> 
> Notice of reviews on "Ota Benga -the pygmy in the zoo". This book is reviewed
> in the New York Times Book Review, Sept.6, page 3. Also in Esquire, Sept. issue
> page 88. Book is a true story concerning an African forest person who was put
>
I am remember visiting the Berlinerzoo (the Berlin Zoo - can't remember
if there was an actual zoo there at the time) and a German friend of
mine told me that yonks ago, Africans were often exhibited there as part of the
fauna.

Does anybody have any references to that?

Tola
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.african
From: bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: eugenics, NY Times sep. 5
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:23:54 GMT
Organization: MCNC Center for Communications -- CONCERT Network

In article <1992Sep13.060602.15282@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>In article <92256.020527GE0QC@CUNYVM.BITNET> GE0QC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>>Please read New York Times front page sept. 5, 1992!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>>The newspaper article speaks of " 'identifying  indiviuals  who may be
>>predisposed to cerain kinds of criminal conduct, of isolating environmental
>>features which trigger those predispositions, and of treaing some
>>predispositions with drugs and unintusive therapies.' "
>
>So what's wrong with that?
>
>-- 
	Greetings,


	
	What`s wrong with the program is that it only wants
to consider African American children. If you are going to
look a "identifying indiviuals" then you look at all of
humanity not just one portion of it. The Bush
Administration in taking up such a program are playing to
the fears of the un-educated majority.     




			Carter
--
 "The oak sleeps in the acorn, the gaint sequoia sleeps in it`s tiny seed,
  the bird waits in the egg and God waits for his unfolding in man."
       Funkadelic                       bing@concert.net 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: Re: Lee: Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date:  8 Sep 92 19:38:17 GMT

HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:

>I hope I'm not a creature to the Universe.  Makes me think of a
>snail or something.

The use of "creature" in this case is Muslimspeak to signify "created being"
as opposed to "Uncreated Being" of which there is only one. But human
beings hold an exalted position among created beings in that even the Angels
were commanded to prostrate themselves before Adam.

_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Lee: Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:57:21 GMT

In article <stovall.715988099@ficus.cs.ucla.edu>,
stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall) writes:
>HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>>Is this the Clayborne Carson book on Malcolm's FBI files?  If so,
>>what page?
>
>Yeah. Have to bring it tomorrow. But look in the cronology at the
>front of the book. Incidentally, there is some very interesting
>material on his views of true Islam vs Elijah Muhammad's Islam
>after his return from Hajj.
>
>>.
>>"Sexual perversion," huh?  But of course that would have meant pimp,
>>too.
>
>Yeah, it could mean almost anything. But it seems like pretty strong
>language for a draft board.
.
.
.
Mayhap the Draft Board physicians/shrinks saw something...hence the
strong language.
.
Oh, and the biography of Malcolm X that we have such strong views
about--it's about a year old!  Maybe it's in paperback...I've got
the hardback edition.
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: Re: Lee: Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date:  8 Sep 92 19:43:09 GMT

HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:

>My, aren't we grasping at straws...!  And deferring to the octopus
>knowledge of the almighty FBI, yet....!
>.
>The FBI files do not show Malcolm's sexual preferences.  I'm sure J.
>Edgar would have had a field day had he known.  He would have
>cha-cha-cha'ed down Broadway.  J.  Edgar Hoover...the most closeted
>homosexual bureaucrat in U.S. history.  But the FBI did not begin
>to shadow Malcolm until 1950 or so, when he was in prison and had
>boasted to someone in a letter that he had always been a communist.
>We don't know what his action was like in prison before he became a
>Muslim either...

Actually, it is mentioned in his file that he was given a 4F for,
among other things, "sexual perversion"...

_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: 12 Sep 92 08:44 PDT
Subject: Re: From Africa-L
Nf-ID: #R:2170.2AB0E220@catpe.alt.za:-1122313500:cdp:1471700114:000:1466
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Sep 12 08:44:00 1992


John Sneed is someone who said that corrupt African politicians have
been encouraged by the US.  Siad Barre, the ex-dictator of Somalia,
is a prize example--we gave him $750,000,000 in military aid to
oppose Communist Ethiopia.  He gave Somalia a system full of
clan hatreds--he deliberately set one faction against another.
When he was overthrown, he went off to live somewhere in luxury,
leaving the Somalians to this dreadful anarchy, armed by the US.

Sneed had mentioned some other African head of state who was supported
by the US and spent money foolishly--I think jetting in a hairdresser or
something like that---then this foolishness is reported in the American
press and Africans in general look bad.  (Just as now you read how
horrible all the Somalian teenagers are with their automatic weapons,
but not much about who gave them these weapons.)

Willie Horton is a black American who committed a rape while on a
"prison furlough."  He was from Massachusetts.  Although these prison
furloughs are practiced in a number of states, and although someone
on a prison furlough in California had committed horrible crimes
(a murder, I think) while Ronald Reagan was governor, the Republican
Party in 1988 staged a huge campaign to make Michael Dukakis seem
to be responsible for Willie Horton, and "soft on crime."

"Willie Horton" is now generally used for any image of a black make
set forward to frighten white people and to stereotype blacks as
criminals.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux)
Subject: Re: Bisho Massacre
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 20:57:13 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

phjj@ruchem.ru.ac.za (Justin Jonas) writes:
: Gavan, is of course, an authority on the situation in Ciskei, living in
: nearby Cape Town.  He presumably gets his account of the massacre from
: the TV news, or perhaps he has a hotline to Gqozo himself.  I personally
: know that Chris has spent a good deal of time in the Ciskei region and
: is well aquainted with the situation there.  

Well, Cape Town isn't THAT far away. No, I'm no authority on the Cikei,
but Brenner's stuff can be spotted a mile away, even from Cape Town. It
contradicts all press reports, eg "no provocation", is tendentious and
leaves half the story out. 

Gavan Tredoux
UCT
From: phs265y@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: UPI: Ciskei troops kill fifteen as ANC marches on Ciskei capital
Date: 11 Sep 92 10:18:29 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

In article <1992Sep10.142340.27922@ucthpx.uct.ac.za>, gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux) writes:
> 
> Gcozo is a tin-pot dictator, running a banana republic. However, the ANC
> knows that, and they knew what the consequences of that march would be.
> They've been battling Gcozo for some time. It's now adundantly
> clear that:
> 
> a. They wanted the confrontation, and the massacre suits them down to
> the ground. Notice similar actions planned for Bophuthatswana.

         Thanks for that gavan. That clears up a problem I have had for along
time. Recently a friend of mine on a student march for free education in 
Australia was assaulted by a policeman and arrested on the charge of hindering 
police by getting her face in the way of the policeman's fist. Now I understand 
that it was my friends fault for marching in the first place.
Sieg Heil Gavan.

                                Tony Hartin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: govender@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za (Govender)
Subject: Re: unity and other myths
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of the Witwatersrand
Date: 10 Sep 92 07:22:05 GMT

In <Bu7v51.4u5@casper.cs.uct.ac.za> gds@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (Riel Smit) writes:


>And before I get hate mail: no, I don't care if we get another anthem, as
>long as it is a nice one.  Nkosi would do, just a pity Zimbabwe already
>took the tune (and Malawi's anthem also sounds like it - words are 
>similar too).
>-- 
>Riel Smit,  Computer Science                              gds@cs.uct.ac.za
>University of Cape Town                      gds%cs.uct.ac.za@rain.psg.com   



we could always annex zimbabwe |-)


morgan govender
govender@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za
From: varvel@plains.NoDak.edu (Andrew Varvel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Freedom of Expression
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:28:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20213
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <g91h7029.715502068@alpha.ru.ac.za> g91h7029@alpha.ru.ac.za 
(Sir Wayne Humphries), self-proclaimed expert on the tribal culture of the
black, writes:

>The black is tribal and in his heart understands only the idea of tribal
>chief and witchdoctor. This feeling is pursued even in urban africa. Only a 
>small percentage have fully assimmilated the culture of the white.

Hmmmmm.  Even if this were true, so what?  What does it prove?  What possible
relevance does it have?  Is this an excuse to deprive people of the right to 
vote?

If superstition alone were enough to deprive people of the vote and power,
just imagine what the U.S. would be like...  With the following stories, one
could theoretically deprive most (if not all) Americans of the vote...

Astrology is very popular in the United States.  Look in any major
newspaper, and you'll find horoscopes.  Indeed, American presidential policy
was partly determined by Nancy Reagan's astrologer!  Go to any major chain
bookstore, and you'll find fortune-telling equipment (tarot cards, runes,
and books on how to divine the future from cards and runes, etc.).  Indeed,
some of my family believe in that stuff!

Tabloids, such as the National Enquirer, sell to millions with stories about
how Elvis Presley is still alive, and about abductions by UFO's.  Also,
there is a very popular course taught by Dr. Salter at the University of
North Dakota (my university) that teaches all the positive evidence of outer
space aliens trying to meet us, and teaches about Dr. Salter's own close 
encounter with outer-space aliens (Please note:  This is also an "easy A" 
course.)

That's not to mention all of the superstitious "whites" that crowd into the
local casino in Mahnomen (in the White Earth Indian Reservation), thinking
that they are the ones that are going to win...(Of course, I thought South
Africa had its own version of Las Vegas in Bophuthatswana (Sun City).)

Actors in plays are often superstitious.  They say "break a leg."  Do you
have any idea why?  (Hint, hint: it's superstition.)  During the witches'
incantation of Macbeth:

 "Bubble, bubble, toil and trouble, Fire burn and cauldron bubble"

etc., supposedly is a time when bad things happen on stage...

Now, in the U.S., witchcraft is a protected constitutional right (under
freedom of religion).  It should be that way in South Africa.  While
superstition may be a bad idea, I have the right to be superstitious.  AND I
DEFEND THE RIGHT OF ANY WITCHDOCTOR TO PLACE A CURSE ON THE INTERNET,
INCLUDING ON MYSELF AND ON YOU.

Under freedom of speech on the internet, I reserve the right to place a curse 
on you.  Whether I do or not, though, is my decision, and my decision alone.

Who knows?  You may be superstitious, and not know it. 8^)
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: 07 Sep 92 10:34 PDT
Subject: Re: SOMALIA: As if hunger is not bad en
Nf-ID: #R:Bu6st2.7D8@usenet.ucs.indiana.ed:882961268:cdp:1471700105:000:434
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Sep  7 10:34:00 1992


Bernhard Helander suggests we call the Italian embassies in our countries
to protest this.

This seems a good idea.  We can also try the tried-and-true faxing of
the UN Ambassador.  The fax number of the UN Ambassador to Italy is
212-486-1036.

A fax on this topic may halt the toxic waste dumping and will also have
the good effect of reminding UN people that we are not forgetting about
Somalia and they shouldn't slack off on aid.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,apc.reg.safrica,sanet.talk.politics