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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:01:51 CDT
From:         ANTHONY GIEGLER <GIEGLER@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      INTRO

NAME:
   Anthony R. Giegler
AGE:
   22
MARITAL STATUS:
   Single, but happily taken
OCCUPATION:
   Student at University of Southern Mississippi
    major: Confusion.
    minor: Aggrivation.
MOVIE I WANT TO SEE AGAIN:
   Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves
BOOK I TELL OTHERS TO READ:
   Calvin & Hobbes Return :-)
HOBBIES:
   Being a pain in the butt, reading, flirting
HEARING STATUS:
   There, but barely.  I lost my hearing for 3.5 years due to
   insefilitis (sp?) as a child, severe ear infections, and a
   severe blow to the back of the head.  Luckily, it has come
   back a little, but is fading again.
COMMUNICATION STRATEGY:
   Huh? works for me.  Usually I read lips to make up for what I
   miss with my ears.  I fingerspell, and also can understand a
   small (very small) amount of sign.
THE WORST THING ABOUT DEAFNESS IS:
   Not knowing what is going on around you.
THE BEST THING ABOUT DEAFNESS IS:
   An excuse to ignore people that I don't want to listen too.
MY MOST IRRATIONAL FEAR IS:
   Going completely deaf again.
PERSONAL HEROES:
   Me!!! (Hey, somebody has got to)
WHY DID I JOIN DEAF-L:
   To have some people to talk to about going deaf again.
DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS:
   YES!!!!!! Several..  We will getto that later.

<GIEGLER@USMCP6.BITNET>           StarGazer
agiegler@seabass.st.usm.edu        puppycat
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:51:49 CDT
From:         ANTHONY GIEGLER <GIEGLER@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      Signature

Ok.  Somebody got on to me about my signature not
containing my name.  Is this better?

Tony Giegler    <GIEGLER@USMCP6.BITNET>    StarGazer
      agiegler@seabass.st.usm.edu    puppycat
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Subject: HELP!  Looking for friend at Gallaudet
From: j1w@icf.hrb.com (J. Douglas Works)
Date: 15 Apr 92 09:21:34 EST
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

Hey everyone:

    I'm looking for a young woman at Gallaudet University named 
Tamisha Hammond.  Can anyone help by giving me an E-mail address???  
She's an old friend from summer camp.

    					Thanks!

    					Doug

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+ "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep, +
+	to gain what he cannot lose."	        +
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+ 	|			- Jim Elliot    +
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 12:32:00 -0700
From:         "Bryce Carey, CNS,
              Admin. Sys. Group" <CAREY_B@CUBLDR.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: voice versus sign

From "CAREY_B@CUBLDR.Colorado.EDU"  Bryce Carey

>It seems to me that we are confusing "Deaf" (in a cultural sense) with
>"deaf" (in an auditory sense)--the former tending to prefer ASL rather
>than speech.
>Cheryl M. Hoffman

This is a good observation. I would make it more explicit and say that
in this forum some people seem to view criticism of the use of ASL or
questions on the wisdom of using ASL to teach English to deaf kids, as an
attack on a cultural group, or Deaf Culture itself.

The equivalent assumption is ASL = DEAF CULTURE.

I think the unspecified corollary is that anything that discourages deaf
people from learning ASL or being dependent on ASL, is a threat to 'Culture',
and an attack on the intelligence or worth of those who use ASL.

In this sense, the whole forum falls into a regretable tone of
ad-hominem argument against people and their views rather than
discussion of evidence in a dispassionate manner.

Of course, it's more fun to watch the passionate arguments flow. ;-)

-Bryce
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:24:28 -0400
From:         Bill <WAW0026@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: deaf/hearing marriages

That's going AWFULLY far afield to rationalize Lane's position. I have to firmly
    agree with Lew.
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 11:01:14 CDT
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From:         ANTHONY GIEGLER <GIEGLER@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      scared

>Delivery Date:04/13/92, 17:07
>From:         "David J. Krueger" <djk59109@UXA.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
>
>StarGazer,
>
>First, your name... We, the current subscribers to Deaf-L, don't use
>pseudonyms. <EXTRA DELETED>
>
>Second, why are you afraid of going deaf again??
><EXTRA DELETED>
>
>Have a nice day!!!  ;)
>
>David (djk59109@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)

1.  OK. Sorry.  It is an automatic signoff program.  I will try
    remember to put my name at the bottom also.  I will apologise
    now for all the times I will forget.

2.  I am afraid of going deaf again because my life was very
    painful when I was deaf.  I had the blessing of gaining my
    hearing, and I DID listen to all the music I could.  I
    am very attached to my ability to hear.  Before I went deaf
    and after I regained my hearing, my ears were very important
    to me.  I am scared of not being able to listen, to hear my
    girlfriends voice, to hear the birds outside, or to hear any
    thing else.

P.S.  (I HATE PEOPLE TELLING ME TO HAVE A NICE DAY!!!!!!!)
      I am very happily a pessimist.
                      OH WELL.
P.S.S.  I tend to use pessimism as an automatic defense.  I will
try not to do it too often.


Anthony Giegler (tony)


<GIEGLER@USMCP6.BITNET>           StarGazer
agiegler@seabass.st.usm.edu        puppycat
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 11:16:00 CDT
From:         CONLEY%MSUVX2@MEMSTVX1.BITNET
Subject:      DON'T CROWD ME!?!?

Hello all,


   I'm curious .... This past weekend, my good friend (who is Deaf), and I
(hearing), went shopping at one of the biggest malls in Memphis, TN.
We had a good time, (mostly window-shopped), and was there until it closed.
Afterwards, we were talking and he mentioned that he felt "crowded by other
people" or felt that he was being "spied-on" some of the time.  We have been
many places together before, and he has mentioned this on occassions and yet,
I understand what he's referring to.  When I am with a person who uses
ASL as their communication and not or can't use English, then I will use
ASL.  My question is this; Do most Deaf people who Sign tend to be "Shy in
public" and therefore, don't talk much when in public?  I know that other
people are curious and see our communication as "different", but I told him
that other people (hearing), may find an interest in seeing ASL and will
want to learn more about it; it's like advertising!.
   As for me, when I am in public and with him or other Deaf, then I tend
to "show-off" ASL or, as-to-say, have a tendency to flaunt or even over-
express my Signing.  If we "advertise" ASL, then we:  1) find other Deaf,
2) find other Signers, 3) advertise ASL, and in most cases find people
who have at one time in their life, learned "the ABC's", etc ......
I have also told him that in today's world, more and more people are
becoming accepting of those "different" things in the world.
   IMHO, I feel this is one reason that many Deaf socialize only in
Deaf groups, Deaf bowling leagues, Deaf church groups, etc......
Yet, there are other reasons; hearing population/Deaf population,
the need to know that you can find other Deaf without "advertising" in
public, etc.. (Sorry, I'm babbling now!)  Anyhow, just curious.


                                        Lunchtime!,
                                        Steven Conlee
                                        CONLEY@MEMSTVX1.MEMST.EDU
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 11:05:37 EST
From:         "Thomas A. Gormley" <TGOR@VILLVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Directories

My University Library lists as one of its holdings:

_College_&_Career_Programs_for_Deaf_Students_
   Edited by Brenda W. Ralwings and Michael Karchmer and James J. DeCaro.


Does anyone out there know a of a directory of primary/secondary schools
for the deaf?

Thanks for any help!

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Thomas A. Gormley                Phone: .................215-645-4600
Assistant To The Dean              FAX: .................215-645-7249
Liberal Arts & Sciences         Bitnet: ..................Tgor@VILLVM
Villanova University          Internet: ...........Tgor@ucis.vill.edu
Villanova, PA  19085           Freenet: ..an997@cleveland.freenet.edu
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:28:15 CDT
From:         ANTHONY GIEGLER <GIEGLER@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      LITTLE THINGS

Life is full of little things.  little pains, little
aches, little brained people that think they can
actually think, little brained people that think that
just because I am different, that I am stupid.  And
I can say things to their face, insulting thier lack
of intelligence, and they are so stupid that they don't
even realize that they have been insulted.

   I feel better now that I have gotten that off my chest.

<GIEGLER@USMCP6.BITNET>           StarGazer
agiegler@seabass.st.usm.edu        puppycat
From: is_b420@kingston.ac.uk (Brendan Rooney)
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Subject: Question about TDD
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:30:21 GMT
Organization: Kingston Polytechnic

Hello all,
	Could someone tell me what TDD is?  I have heard it mentioned on 
this group and seen it written elsewhere, but what is it?  Is it something
like a minicom?


	Thanks in advance,

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Call Me, Sometime & say		*	Which makes everyone special,
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:03:00 EDT
From:         "Irene Scott, User Support Specialist" <ISCOTT@ITHACAOA.BITNET>
Subject:      A Querry

Hi, folks.
I'm wondering if any of you can help me.  My family aparently suffers from
Wardenburg's Syndrome (I say "aparently" because there is no definate
genetic test as yet) with approximately 19 individuals with some sort of
"symptom" of this symdrome over 5 generations.  Of those, 10 have
diagnosed deafness.  Although I do have some literature on ths subject,
I am very interested in finding out what sort of research (if any)
is currently being done and where, and if there are any on-line
resources I can get my hands on.  Thanks!
Irene Scott
ISCOTT@ITHACAOA - Bitnet
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 10:25:37 IST
From:         Lew Golan <LEW@TAUNIVM.BITNET>
Subject:      intro

David, Lisamarie --

     There's no way that you are the only deaf students on your campuses.
Simply because you don't know of any others doesn't mean that there aren't
any others.
     Deafness is invisible. Most people I deal with don't know I'm deaf.
When I was on the swimming team at the University of Chicago, half of my
teammates didn't know I was deaf. When I was in the journ school at the
University of Illinois, most of the other journ students didn't know I was
deaf -- let alone the tens of thousands of other students on the campus.
     You can make deafness visible through deaf/Deaf awareness activities
and by signing. But most deaf people are not activists, and most deaf
students in mainstream universities have oral skills (regardless of
whether they sign). And not everyone needs or uses special services.
     You need to take a broader perspective of the world. The fable about
the three blind men and the elephant is all too true. I will bet each of
you that in a couple of hours of dedicated effort you could find other deaf
students by asking around -- at the departmental offices, the dorms, the
student advisors, the special services, or whatever.

Lew Golan, Tel-Aviv University <lew@vm.tau.ac.il>
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:18:00 -0700
From:         "Bryce Carey, CNS,
              Admin. Sys. Group" <CAREY_B@CUBLDR.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: seeing your own messages

If you are using VAX VMS mail to read the messages you
can type Relpy/cc
and then type your name at the cc prompt.

Or you can use the set parameters. Check HELP on the mail
system in VAX VMS.

Just type
MAIL> Help Set
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Set "copy_self" SEND REPLY
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From: is_b420@kingston.ac.uk (Brendan Rooney)
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Subject: Re: advice
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:23:47 GMT
Organization: Kingston Polytechnic

In article <DEAF-L%92040421294330@SIUCVMB.BITNET> LEW@TAUNIVM.BITNET (Lew Golan) writes:
>>  to me:  a deaf person is like anyone else only they communicate in
>>  sign rahter than in voice.
>
		Where was your "lines deleted" meassage, Lew??!

>>  Me eagerly awaiting some advice....
>
>     For starters, you could get rid of your stereotypic misperception.
>     Like anyone else, many deaf people communicate with their voices.
>
>Lew Golan, Tel-Aviv University <lew@vm.tau.ac.il>


Hi Lew,
	I am sorry if what I wrote led you to believe that I have a stereo-
typical misperception.  I know that many deaf people use their voice to 
communicate.  I didn't mean to give the wrong idea. Many apologies to anyone
who thinks I thought that.

	By the way Lew, you forgot to put a line about parts of my message
being deleted in your original post to my reply.  Where you should have put 
them is where I have placed asterisks above.  When I read it, it looked like
my message was asking advice on how to change my opinions.  (no offense
intended to you) I was asking advice about a deaf friend of mine....whether or
not to ask her out...not about how to change my attitudes.  Those are quite
welcome though.

		Brendan Rooney,
		Kingston Polytechnic.
		England     is_b420@kingston.ac.uk
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:02:16 -0500
From:         "David J. Krueger" <djk59109@UXA.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      re:hot tempered

Yeahhhh... with the end of the semester only two, three weeks away,
I'm sure that more than a few college students (including myself)
have some pressing matters to take care of before the end...
AHHHHHHH... (just felt like saying that cuz I just took an EE test
and the relief is delightful ---- also, the thought of a lot more
sleep tonight than last night (only got about two) is even more
pleasant to think about (*grin*)).... well, I'm just saying...
nothing worth ---- (think about it ;X

				So Long and until the next
					meaniful post...

				David (djk59109@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)
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From: ballard@panther.adelphi.edu (Terry Ballard)
Subject: re:Medieval films
Organization: Adelphi University Swirbul Library
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 11:47:02 GMT


   Back in the 1970's, Eric Rohmer did a film called Perceval, which is one
of the more interesting medieval films that I have seen.  With painted sets
and choruses, it looks like what would happen if you hired a medieval crew
to film a mystery play.  The actor talks about himself in the third person.
As with most Rohmer films, it is not for everybody, but quite a treat for 
people who are patient.  As far as I know, however, it is not available in
video.
            
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From: rowhite@wrdis01.af.mil (Ronald D. White)
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Subject: Re: Stone & The Doors
Summary: Indians, Imagery & Morrison
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:33:27 GMT
Organization: 1926CCSG Robins AFB



		I felt that Oliver Stone did a good job of portraying Mor-
	rison & the Doors as symbols of the times.  I don't think the point
	here was to create a historical document.  The Shaman (IMHO, repre-
	senting the magic & poetry that were sometimes in Jim's grasp) and
	the naked creepy man (IMHO, Death, and Morrison's obsession with self-
	destruction) were apt portrayals of the division in Morrison's soul.
		During the concert in Miami, in many ways the end of
Morrison's career, the Shaman appears and visibly seems to rejct what Jim
	has become., never to be seen again.  And you know who that leaves
	form Morrison to turn to.
		For further insight, see if you can get a copy of "The Lords
	and the New Creatuires", a book of poetry by the Lizard King himself.
		As a film, "The Doors" could have been better.  But when you
look at most rock 'n' roll film biographies, it most certainly could have
	been worse.  BTW, I haven't seen JFK, loved Platoon, and was disturbed
	enough by Born on the Fourth of July that I never want to see it
again.  I guess Ollie was successful in getting his point across!

			Later,
				Ron

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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 14:26:33 EDT
From:         Zak <ST102359@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Kafka

a question...
borne of ignorance and not of any confrontational intent...

- Would anyone be willing to provide a definition of the Kafka-esque?
  just so that i can follow better with the discussion, which i hope
  will be continued...from the various examples provided by various
  list members, i more or less get the picture, but i wanna be sure
   i don't miss anything...

here's what i would think are kafka-esque elements...
(all of these are just suggestions based on my limited encounters with
kafka's works)
- a atmosphere of domesticity carried to the point of the claustrophobic
  (eg. b-fink's hotel room)
- a conspiracy paranoia
  (eg W.allen's _shadows and fog_)
- investigation of the mentality of the 'mob'(?) and its relation to justice
  (eg W.allen's _shadows and fog_)


again, these are just ideas i'm throwing out...i would appreciate any kind of
response...thanks!
-Zak
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From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      medfilms

Thanks, eliot, for the reminder about *Sorceress*; that's a *really*
fine one, one i think i would recommend over *Martin Guerre*, if only
because it's a bit less bleak.

MMcDonald
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 04:15:41 -0400
From:         Laura Hayes Burchard <lhb6v@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      Aargh.
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My apologies to you all, I'm trying to figure out how to master
searching LISTSERV databases.
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From:         Ray Hoy <RAY@MCO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: An old film, and also Kafka

>
>OK, who saw The Ten Commandments on ABC tonight? I almost
>barfed when I saw "Edited for Television", but I actually
>sat through the whole thing AND all the commercials, with
>only one peanut butter sandwich along the way. Now I'm proud,
>I haven't watched that much TV in about a year. Also, the
>Parting of the Red Sea was much better in my memory, but
>the last time I saw it was ten years ago or so--guess I was
>more impressible :-) then.
>
>(I mean that much TV on a single night, of course :-)
>
>Some of the cuts were just too obvious. F*** this TV editing
>crap, really. (I'm sorry.)
>
>So much for "old films" tonight :-).
>
I almost watched this last year but I saw the 'Edited for television' sign
and shut it off. Last night I thought about it again but opted not to see
it once more. I would be interested in hearing what was cut. Did the cuts
really interfere with the story? This is always annoying to me to the
extent that I will seldom watch any movie on TV that wasn't made for tv.
Usually that will be enough to ensure an intact movie instead of one where
so much is cut for "offensive" content that the story is incompehensible.

Even made for TV stuff is often cut though such as the I, Claudius series
that was re-broadcast last year. Some parts of it had been cut from when it
was first aired that made you look puzzled and go, "HUH! What happened there?"

Ray Hoy  RAY@MCO.BITNET
Medical College of Ohio
Toledo Ohio
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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:17:40 EDT
From:         Tanya Augsburg <ilay9228@UNIX.CC.EMORY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Kafka

Zak, your impressions of that nebulous catch-all term the "kafkaesque"
sounds pretty accurate to me.  I would add two aspects before suggesting
an essay to read:
1) The impoverishment of being.  The idea that modernization has
hindered our existence (think of the office scenes in *Kafka*) not
improved it.
2)  The fantastic nightmarish world of the office/workplace (again,
Kafka or for that matter, Orson Welles' *The Trial*)

Milan Kundera in his Art of the Novel has an essay on what he deems
"The Kafkan" in an essay called "Somewhere Behind."

Your question was right on target.  Too many times we use words without
knowing exactly what they mean!!!!

which some guy turns into an insect?  That's another instant of
the Kafkaeque.
        Tanya in Atlanta
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:06:00 EST
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Subject:      Catch 22

   Has anyone seen the movie version of the Joseph Heller classic?  I recently
caught a glimpse of the movie, but I didn't get to see it all.  I feel it would
be almost imposible to do the book justice, simply because it's so
psychological.  Does the movie convey the same themes as the book, or does it
lose something?
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