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From: bohy6489@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: who's on first?
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:12:35 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

This relates to baseball, albeit loosely...

I desparately need a *text* copy of Abbot and Costello's "Who's on First?"
routine.  Can anyone point me to a source?

e-mail replies are appreciated!

thanks

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From: jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: MLB Magic Numbers for Thu, Aug 20th, 1992
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:35:05 GMT
Organization: Joseph TeleCommunications Enterprises; Berkeley, California, USA
Via: JTC Enterprises Major League Baseball Department (Statistics Division)
     JTC Enterprises Sports Sector (Information Department)


        MAGIC NUMBERS OF DIVISION LEADERS FOR THURSDAY, AUGUST 20, 1992

          [NOTE: Includes all of yesterday's games; i-idle yesterday
                   z-won yesterday or split a doubleheader.]

NATIONAL WEST		 MN	        	NATIONAL EAST		 MN
Atlanta	Braves		z--		        Pittsburgh Pirates	z--
Cincinnati Reds		 38		        Montreal Expos		 39
San Diego Padres	 34		        Chicago Cubs		 34
San Francisco Giants	z27		        St. Louis Cardinals     z33
Houston Astros		 23		        New York Mets            30
Los Angeles Dodgers	z22		        Philadelphia Phillies	z27

AMERICAN WEST		 MN 		        AMERICAN EAST		 MN
Oakland Athletics	 --		        Toronto Blue Jays	 --
Minnesota Twins		 38		        Baltimore Orioles	 39
Chicago White Sox	z36		        Milwaukee Brewers	z38
Texas Rangers		 27		        Detroit Tigers           29
Kansas City Royals      z26		        Boston Red Sox           28
California Angels       z24		        Cleveland Indians       z28
Seattle Mariners	z19		        New York Yankees        z28
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From: lavelle@aardvark.lerc.nasa.gov ()
Subject: Re: Twins/Mariners Game-10   8/16/92
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:51:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.124225.27495@news2.cis.umn.edu> kimmel@epx.cis.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel) writes:
>In article <19754@plains.NoDak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
>>
>>With only about 42 games remaining in the season, looks like
>>the As, if they can avoid a major slump which looks like
>>it could never happen with their blazing bats and the unhittable
>>EK, could hold on.
>>
>The Twins basically need to play .800 baseball the remainder of the season.
>Here's what the Twins need:
>
>A pitcher to step up and take the lead.  Pitching has been absolutely pathetic.
>They have been giving up leads in the next half inning many times, and giving
>at least 1 run back most of the time.  The starters have been inconsistent.
>One good start, one terrible start.  The Twins have not had back to back
>quality starts in 3 weeks!
>
>Leuis at third base.  Pags is still hitting less than .200 and is nowhere the
>fielder Leius is.  Leuis was hitting nearly .300 as the regular 3B.
>
>Park Hrbek.  He's been terrible.  A few days off should sharpen him up a
>little bit.  His bat is slow and defense lethargic.
>
>Baserunning 101.  Too many stupid baserunning errors are costing the Twins
>games.  Last night's game was painful.  Munoz was TAGGED off 2B by the SS
>because he just stood there as a ball was hit his direction (the SS then
>tossed to 1B for the double play).  Knoblauch was easily doubled off of 2B
>while he was running towards 3B and home on an infield fly.  Duh...
>
>Aguilera healthy.  He's not.
>
>Tom Kelly to give up his "one day at a time" because there aren't that many
>left.  The were swept by Oakland and Chicago and lose 2 of 3 to Seattle.
>Splits would have kept them in first place.
>
>At Oaklands current pace they will win 26 more games.  The Twins will need
>to win 32 of 42 (a .750 pace).  They have 6 games against Toronto and 3
>against Oakland (at Oakland).
>
>Not impossible, but getting more improbable every day.

I would not say this.  The Twinkies still have three games with the
A's.  A sweep here would obviuosly make up three games right there.
Obviuosly they cannot afford to drop any farther back and they are playing
like crap right now but this thing is far from however.

Here's to hoping that they can't catch the A's.

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From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:15:37 GMT
Subject: Re: simulation games
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

In rec.sport.baseball, russell.tisseman@canrem.com (russell tisseman) writes:

>         Strat-o-matic is a little better it includes lefty righty 
> averages for both pitchers and batters. The stealing system is pretty 
> good and there is pretty good realism.
> 
>         PTP in my opinion is the best simulation. It has just about 
> everything you might want. It has lefty righty averages for both 
> pitchers and hitters, it uses different outcomes for grass and 
> artificial surfaces, it uses every ballpark to decide homeruns, 
> doubles and triples, it has unusual plays, rainouts, ejections and 
> injuries. PTP is the best for my money. I have the PC version of PTP 
> which keeps track of all the statistics and standings. Truly an 
> excellent product.

Almost everything you listed about PTP applies to Strat as well, except in the
latter, ballpark adjustment applies only to home runs and singles.  What I
would think are the advantages of PTP is the potentially more realistic
fielding system, but I fear their cards are based on flawed statistics which
make it no better than Strat's apparent basis on "placement in Gold Glove
voting" for range.

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From: hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Protected Lists
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:47:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bt8JqF.79v
Organization: NSSL

I have a minor question about procedures for the expansion
draft.  I'm pretty the answer is no, but I'll ask it anyway.

Will the teams' protected lists be made public before
the draft?  Obviously, the drafting teams will need to know, 
but I think it would be fun if MLB let the rest of us in on 
it.  Letting the lists out a day early and prohibiting player
moves for the 24 hours leading up to the draft would be nice.
I realize that MLB rarely listens to me when they make their
decisions, but does anyone know if I'll get my wish to know
the 'mind' of Dal Maxvill on the draft.

Harold
-- 
Harold Brooks                    hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu
National Severe Storms Laboratory/CIMMS (Norman, OK)
Andres Galarraga (Through 18 August)  .228 BA  .354 SLG  .271 OBA
28 H away from .300  8 HBP  8 BB    684+ PA w/o a sacrifice
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From: aardvark@locus.com (Warren Usui)
Subject: Re: What happens if????
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:05:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.173652.22078@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (C Squared) writes:
:In article <1992Aug20.125800.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
:>In article <19801@plains.NoDak.edu>, sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
:>> What happens if at the end of the season, three teams are tied for
:>> first spot for the division. Is this  a possiblity and has this
:>> ever occured before.
:>> 
:>> S.h
:>--------------
:>
:>This has indeed happened before and it was resolved, I believe, by a 
:>chili cook off among the respective firstbasemen on the three teams...
:>
:>rlwilliams@gallua
:
:So who makes the best chili, Mark McGwire, Kent Hrbek, or Frank Thomas?
:

Andres Gallaraga makes the best chili.  Dal Maxvill knows this.

This explains why Maxvill runs a baseball team and the rest of us don't.



-- 
Warren Usui
aardvark@locus.com
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From: acw@sbmsg1.UUCP (Alvin White)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Different take on the alignment question.
Date: 11 Aug 92 13:05:03 GMT
Reply-To: acw@sbmsg1.UUCP (Alvin White)
Organization: Southern Bell - MSG  Atlanta, Ga

>Also, if the Giants do move, I wouldn't be surprised to see them try
>and put some pressure on the Marlins to change their name to the Miami
>Marlins since they're no longer the only team in the league in Florida.

Kinda like the California Angels and the Texas Rangers?
From: lynch@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Howard Lynch)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:28:55 GMT
Subject: Padres Minor League Prospects: McDavid and Hall
Organization: OCD IC MFG
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

I went to see the High Desert Mavericks play the Stockton Ports last
Saturday night.  I particularly wanted to see Ray McDavid.  Well, I
liked what I saw.

He's a big guy.  Like Dave Staton when I saw him playing at class A
Riverside, Ray stood out physically.  Unlike Dave Staton, Ray can play
defense, starting in CF.

He hit the ball hard.  He only had one hit, but did walk once, but
every out was a well hit ball.  He made a few plays in the OF, but
didn't have any rough chances.

Billy Hall also looked good.  He came into the game hitting .368, 
and it showed.  He spanked the ball pretty well every time up also.

Jusy FYI, for the Padre fans out there.

Howard Lynch
aka Lynch "MOB", Silicon Gulch Rotisserie League since 1984
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From: bcschu@skws02.monsanto.com (Brett Schultz)
Subject: Name that cap ....
Organization: Monsanto Company
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:38:36 GMT

Hey sports fans !!

For those of you who watch a lot of ESPN baseball (I would assume this is most
of you), have you seen that commerical for ESPN with the guy wearing a 
turquoise blue type color cap backwards (with the major league logo on it, so
that is how I would assume that it is a cap from some major league team) and
describes a bunt happening with pieces from baseball games showing the bunt,
Glavine fields it, and throws the runner out.


If you know which commerical I'm talking about, is that a Marlins' cap????
If not, what team is it?

Thanks

Brett
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Those 1-run blues...
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:33:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1992Aug19.223342.8031
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Originator: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu


   After being shut out eight games ago in Cali., the Brewhas have scored
   exactly one run in six of their last seven games. They have managed to
   win three of these games overall. Their overall BA has plumetted from
   second to eighth or ninth in the AL during this period.

   So what does this mean?

   Either A) that their true colors are shining through and they'll end the
   season below .500 because of a totally lame offense...

   or B) that when their hitting comes back around, they'll be making a
   serious run for the AL East title.

   I think their hitting will come around, but I can't see their pitching
   staff keeping up the pace they've set. Navarro and Bosio have both been
   fabulous since the all-star break, while Wegman has been okay and Eldred
   is cruising along w/ a sub 2.00 ERA. Milwaukee's fifth starter has SUCKED
   all year (and believe me, that is an understatement) so a four-man rotation
   would seem to be the answer. But the first four have put up big innings this
   year and management is undoubtedly worrying about arm injuries if a four-man
   rotation is put in to place.

   Well, the Brewhas have been resilient all year so don't be surprised if
   they creep back into the race within a couple weeks. Keep the faith Brew
   Crew fans!!!

   --salty
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From: wlarkin@panix.com (Ward Larkin)
Subject: Re: Cy Young Update
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:27:17 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Aug20.174154.14081@osf.org> ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum) writes:
>In article <92232.223254IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ryan Robbins) writes:
>|> The MVP award is for what its letters stand for: Most Valuable Player.
>|> If a pitcher is a league's most valuable player, then that is the way
>|> it is. No one can argue that a pitcher can't be a most valuable player
>|> for a league. Fact is, there IS an award for "position" players. It's
>|> called the Gold Glove award.
>
>  Of course pitchers are eligible for Golden Gloves, too. 

Technically, they're not eligible.  The Golden Gloves award is issued to
amateur boxers, not professional baseball players.

>  I think what 
>  people who object to pitcher's being eligible for the MVP really would like is 
>  a Most Valuable Offensive Player Award, which pretty much eliminates 
>  pitchers from contention (despite Nagy's 1.000 Batting Average).
>
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Grumbling about Canseco
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 05:29:00 GMT

In article <4200329@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes:
>He claimed to have a back injury and left the park with the bases loaded a
>few games back.

This part is possibly accurate.  Though the bases-loaded situation was
in the seventh inning, and most accounts have him leaving the park
after the eighth inning.

>LaRussa wanted to pinch hit him in this situation but was
>forced to use a different player when Canseco left.

*** Flame On ***
This part is bullshit.  If you are uncertain about the facts of a
situation, you need not post.  Or you may wish to indicate that you
don't know what happened by saying "I believe" or "I heard" in your
response.

Sounds to *me* like you are sure what happened.  If I didn't know
better, I might have believed you.  But you are WRONG!!!  Please check
your facts in the future!
*** Flame Off ***

Canseco was replaced after the fifth inning by Fox (probably for
defensive purposes, as the A's had a 5-3 lead).  He showered and then
went home, rather than staying around as a cheerleader.  That was
inappropriate, but he could not have played an active role in the game
anyways.

>This prompted Terry
>Steinbach (and others) to say Canseco was not a team player.

Who has the bad attitude?  Canseco who makes a simple mistake?  Or
Steinbach who roasts a teammate in the national press?  I would
quickly and quietly replace Steinbach and Wilson.  Their behavior was
disgusting.  Vipers like that aren't needed on a team.

-Valentine
-- 
Ob. woof: Clemens is the best pitcher ever!	tedward@cs.cornell.edu
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From: dpassage@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU (David Paschich)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: It is going to happen. (was Re: St. Pete Guppies 1993 lineup
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:53:44
Organization: Computer Scientists Against the Oppression of Crutons
	<1992Aug20.214149.14622@bradley.bradley.edu>
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NNTP-Posting-Host: eden.cs.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: michaelh@netcom.com's message of Thu, 20 Aug 92 22:44:15 GMT

In article <-7#ny0d.michaelh@netcom.com>, 
	michaelh@netcom.com (Michael Hernandez) writes:

   Additionally, San Francisco has already 
   initiated, through local Federal representatives, an inquiry that
   could lead to an investigation of the legality of Major League 
   Baseballs' exemption from antitrust.  

It's legal.  The current standing is that in the 20's the Supreme
Court ruled that baseball was exempt.  Subsequent Courts have ruled
that the original ruling was a mistake, but did not revoke the
exemption, leaving it up to Congress to do so.  Congress never has.

Also, those rulings were all in cases involving players suing to
escape the reserve clause.  The exemption in terms of franchises
hasn't, to my knowledge, been tested.

So basically, unless the Supreme Court goes against well-established
precedent (not that big an if), it will take an act of Congress to
remove baseball's anti-trust exemption.

David Paschich
From: a_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 52 Re: Twins/superstition
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:09:48 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

> --
> Did Felton ever win one game in the bigs?

	Nope. Not one. He's featured in one of the Baseball Hall of Shame
Books.

Brandon Cope
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From: rstimets@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets)
Subject: Re: Attention: Reds Fans
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:02:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.201309.3990@cis.ohio-state.edu> ellis@oyster.cis.ohio-state.edu (steven lawrence ellis) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.172433.15308@cis.ohio-state.edu> miked@cis.ohio-state.edu (Michael Davey) writes:
>>>>Its true the Reds need to strengthen the heart of the order but I do not
>>  think Lou is letting things slide.  He has probably given up trying to
>>  give advice to O`Neil but the division title is still within their grasp.
>>  Lou played on the '78 yankees teem that came from 14.5 games back to 
>>  win it all and I think Lou is a believer.  As far as Sabo is concerned, as of
>>  Sunday, they were strongly considering putting him on the DL when Morris 
>>  comes off if not sooner.  He wants to play no matter what, but with Coles
>>  hitting the way he is, it would be suicide not to play him instead of
>>  Chris at 3b.  The only problem with benching O'Neil (as I have been informed
>>  by my illustrious Reds-lieber in Palo Alto, this would leave the Reds with 
>>  no left-handed power.  With Morris at 100%, however, I think he and Doran 
>>  (who I wish would be traded even though he is a good asset on the bence) 
>>  would be more productive overall than O'Neil.
>>
>>
>You also have to consider O'Neil's defense.  He has one of the best, if not the
>best, arms of any NL right fielder and can take doubles, triples, and even runs
>away from opponents.
>
He might be able to take one run away every five or six games I figure, but
what he REALLY needs to do is produce 4 or 5 runs with his bat at the same 
time.  He can do it, we know that, but I'm beginning to think that he's just
not up to it emotionally.  He's had several behind-closed-doors discussions
with Piniella when things happen that upset him, like getting pinch-hit for
in tight games when Paul is in the midst of a 0-for-twentysometing slump.

RStimets


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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: AL Marginal Lineup Values through 8/9
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 05:25:17 GMT

In article <l901frINNsoj@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> str@maredsous.Eng.Sun.COM writes:

>Steve and/or Dr. Dave:  Could one of you explain to me what factors in KGJR's
>stats pull him even with McGwire?  McGwire has a higher OBA, higher SLG, more
>of the "media stats" (HR, Run, RBI), etc.  KGJR has more H/game, but nothing
>else that's glaringly obvious.  What in the MRPG equation pulls Griffey
>even with McGwire?

I am neither Steve Stein nor David Tate :-), but here is a quick answer;
McGwire is a first baseman, and Griffey is a center fielder.  Under Steve's
system, you calculate the number of runs above (or below) an average player
of your position, so since first basemen are on the average better offensively
than center fielders, Griffey, despite inferior stats, pulls even with McGwire.

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GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
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Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Say it's so! Baseball in Tampa Bay!!!
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:49:42 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <169pfiINN1oi@hal.com> dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.195023.16861@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>>I also have a hard time with the whining Giants fans who complain that the
>>A's aren't somehow good enough for them.  Hey, it's still major league
>>baseball, and there are a lot of cities who would love to have it and
>>don't.  Count your blessings.
>
>Would Cubs fans move quietly over and start rooting for the White Sox?
>Or Mets fans for the Yankees?

I was raised in Chicago in a total Cubs environment, and I still
liked the White Sox.  Most people I knew in Chicago (those
who were fairly level-headed and not borderline psychotic) found
it easy to increase their interest in the city's 'other' team
when they were doing well.  It still did not diminish our interest
in our main love.

To me, this is what distinguishes a baseball fan from a woof.


-- 
| Eric Sieferman            |   "Winning cures everything."          |
| U. of W., M.C.I.S.        |     -- The Fabulous Sports Babe        |
| sieferme@u.washington.edu |                                        |
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Base-ball Dream Team
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 17:59:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.145656.1625@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:

>Both Alomar and Rodriguez were born in Puerto Rico, which is, I believe, a 
>protectorate of the US. Technically, they can be called Americans, and if
>overseas (in Japan, eg) they can avail themselves of the US embassy.

Yup, but since Puerto Rico has a seperate Olympic Committee, they would have
to compete with the Puerto Rican team.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
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Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Twins Blow it again
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:11:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.19708
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Well Agi does it again. After blowing up a 4-2 lead against
the As, he blows up a 3-2 lead to the Rangers.

Well, Well well Enough said....

An exasperated Twins' fan.