HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    
Any opinions on the ski schols at Alta and 
Snowbird?  A friend of mine will be taking his
first lesson at one of the two.  Incidentally,
this is his first time skiing.  How are the 
prices, crowds, quality of the lesson etc. for
each hill.

I like Alta's low-key attitude but I want to make
sure he gets a good lesson for the money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


I would recommend Alta.  The competency of the 
instructors is high, and the pricing of their lessons
is very competative.  Scott Mathers is the Technical
Director there, and is doing a great job keeping the
school "current".  Scott is a member of the Professional
Ski Instructors of America national Demonstration Team.

They have some good, friendly terrain for beginners, and
the school does a good job of keeping class sizes small
and matching ability levels within the classes so clients
feel comfortable and can progress quickly.

And yes, I'm heavily biased.

jaym

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From: censtad@nic.gac.edu (Topher the Gustie)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: K2
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:29:44 GMT
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College
Distribution: world
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I just saw this movie and if you haven't had the chance to rent it...  
please do so.  The mountains are truly a gift of God.

--
Chris Enstad
Gustavus Adolphus College			Are you experienced?
St. Peter, MN 56082

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Storm Restriction, Deer Valley, Utah
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 23:55:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.195158.7587@fcom.cc.utah.edu> klaus@ced.utah.edu writes:
>Okay guys... I put in a request to management to restrict the storms
>that have been pummeling Utah, to the hours between 7 pm and 6 am.

WHAT?!  Request denied.
			-- Angel Moroni

>I hear Vail's got pretty good visibility... and better beer.

Ah, Utah beer is fine, just fine.
If you want visibility, ... ski .... Killington.  Yeah, that's the ticket.
Care for some more Constant Comment(tm)?

>		"To turn is to admit defeat"

Oh, I won't say that.

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From: geoff@chemeng.ed.ac.uk (Geoff Ballinger)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Newsgroup for European skiing...
Date: 28 Jan 93 22:00:41 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University Chemical Engineering Department
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david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) writes:
>So why don't you get on and post some more info Liz.  Most of the info about
>European condtions the last couple of seasons has been sent by me !  Although
>I'm currently sat in snowy Grenoble I read news via a leased line on the east
>coast of the U.S. so would be excluded from this proposed Eurogroup, (I guess).

	If a European skiing group was created I feel that it would be of most
use as a mainstream group (e.g. rec.skiing.europe) and so have it as a group
about European skiing as opposed to a general skiing group just for Europeans.
One could imagine rec.skiing fragmenting quite naturally into a hierarchy
(e.g. rec.skiing.{misc,europe,usa,canada,equipment}) which would make it much
more palatable for me at least (due to cost etc. I have no interest in North
American skiing). Perhaps this is worth an RFD?

	ObligSnowReport ...

Val d'Isere, lower slopes 100cm, middle 150cm, and top 125cm. Packed snow.
Tignes, lower slopes 125cm, middle 250cm and top 375cm! Packed snow and powder.
Weather ... Recent snow, more expected :->.
[From Thompson Holidays Snow Line dated 28,1,93]

	Geoff.

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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: stevens@stsci.edu (Don't Call Me Dude!)
Subject: Re: Those USRSA "half-price" lift tickets....
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:54:25 GMT

In article <9301201439.aa24299@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu>, bbui@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (J S Bach) writes:
> This USRSA sounds good to me, Mark and any other members, could you guys
> please kindly tell me how to get it?  Thank you very very much.
>

I'd be interested in seeing some *comparison* between the various
skiier discount cards. I've got one of those SkiAmericard
discount cards that also gives half price or 2-for-1 discounts
at various ski areas in North America, and I'd like to know
whether I should pick up this card again next year, or switch
to another if they offer better discounts at more places. Any
opinions?

---Mark Stevens
   stevens@stsci.edu

BTW: I just came back from a week at Canaan Valley WV and managed
to save about $100 with various discounts that I had...including
1 free lift tick at Timberline, 2 free at Canaan Valley, and get
this, a 2-for-1 deal on WEEKEND lift tix at Timberline (most of
the ski resorts were limiting the 2-for-1 deals to midweek only).

-- 
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Baltimore, MD  21218                                    (410)516-8154
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Storm Restriction, Deer Valley, Utah
Date: 22 Jan 93 06:12:45 GMT
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

In article <1jnnkqINNar1@life.ai.mit.edu> klaus@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu
(Klaus B. Biggers) writes:
>Constant Comment (tm)  ??? Is that different from Variable Vernacular (sp?)

It's that Boulder based tea company in that Boycotted neighbor state.
So when do you think Ootah's going to try an anti-gay law?

>Remember... only four more months till we're white water rafting state street!

Have fun going down 70 S or 90 S.

>   Favorite sign: "Watch for snowplows in your lane" .....  no shit!

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi)
Subject: Re: Bay to Mammoth -- How Long?
Organization: Live from Oakland, California
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 07:42:07 GMT

jrawles@leland.Stanford.EDU (jody rawles) writes:
>Could someone tell me how long of a drive it is from
>the Bay Area (Palo Alto) to Mammoth Mt. Ski Resort.

	It's about a nine hour drive.

rizzi
-- 
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Utah
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 01:31:20 GMT

In article <1jpdkrINNduq@life.ai.mit.edu> klaus@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu
(Klaus B. Biggers) writes:
>They have proposed a 100% tax on condoms to
>help subsidize the school lunch program. Much more profitable.
>Also known as "sin-tax".

Wunderful, wunderful.  I recall a boss who went thru mid-life crisis
and became a ski bum (with 3rd wife).  He moved to Park City, and he
characterized as a place where so much semen (pre-AIDS) got transfered
every evening.  That was Dave alright.  Worked at the UofU in the late 70s.

How does the Church Lady say it?  Something about Satan?

>Just like the beer... Don't let anyone
>tell you that you can't get "strong" beer in Utah. You can...
>it just costs a bit more... okay... I lied... a *LOT* more.
>And guess where the money goes......

ZCMI?

>A law is actually being proposed in the legislature that would limit
>tax deductions to 6 kids. It would save the state 2 billion dollars.
>Just think how many pumps that would buy for the Great Salt Lake.
>Anyone wanna bet on whether that'll pass or not?? oops.. I take that
>back... can't bet in this state... but maybe we could play bingo?

Oh, I think the LDS deserves to bring back bigamy.

>And the sales tax on food, and paramutaual betting, and commiting
>financial support to the abortion bill, and revision of the liquor laws,
>and censorship of cable TV, and equalization of county school monies,
>and.......
>Separation of church and state in Utah is about two blocks.

Marvelous place for skiing, simply marvelous.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
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From: mikeg@olympus.East.Sun.COM (Mike Grove - Federal S.E. Vienna Va.)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: info on Sierra Nevada...
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:02:17 GMT
Reply-To: mikeg@olympus.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: olympus-bb.east.sun.com

In article 93Jan25171232@spirou.inesc.pt, jrfbic@spirou.inesc.pt (Projecto de BiCmos) writes:
>
>Does anyone have any reports on skiing conditions at Sierra Nevada,
>Spain? I intend to go there in early February.
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>	Jorge


Jorge,

I don't have current conditions but I lived over there for approx 4+ years and skiied an
area by the name of Sol y Nieve  out side of Granada.  Fantastic area, and had a great
time skiing there.  The conditions can change dramatically and very fast being so close
to the Mediterranian Sea, .ie. fog, clouds etc...   For the most part skiing should be good
in Feb and March.  Take your golf clubs and ski in the morn and head to Malaga and
play a round of golf in the afternoon.  The resort is fun with a number of night clubs etc...

Have fun, wish I was going.  Brings back good memories.

mg
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From: tom@varian.com (tom cao)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Marker MR ski brake broke off ... any ideas??
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:13:42 GMT
Organization: Varian Chromotography Systems

>use for parts or any other ideas??  I will just keep skiing on them in any
>case, just hoped I could do something about it as the one brake on the other
>side is now not as consistently popping out when needed.

	please don't ski without ski brakes. A released ski racing down the 
	hill is dangerous to others.
	Before they invented the brakes, we used to have ski straps. You
	strap it to your leg and it is attached to the rear binding.
	You could buy a makeshift strap cheap at camping stores while
	waiting for the parts.
From: lfr@socrates.ucsf.edu (Lou Reichardt)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: No one skiing at Tahoe?
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:20:23 GMT
Followup-To: lfr@cgl.ucsf.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Graphics Laboratory, UCSF

Hmmm, well there's probably a pretty good reason that there are few skiiers
at Tahoe.  The roads are completely trashed by the the last few weeks of 
non-stop snow and rain.  The roads have enough potholes in them to resemble
something like the moon surface.  

This was as of last weekend anyway.  I hit a good sized pothole on US50 and
ended up with 2 flat tires and 2 ruined tire rims.  Might be a good idea to
wait a few weeks for Caltrans to catch up with their road repair. 

(assuming the weather stays good...)
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From: Jim O'Brien <jzo@inel.gov>
Subject: Re: A Jackson Hole query or three... (Hey, isn't A2 a new ski?...)
X-Xxdate: Fri, 22 Jan 93 18:57:42 GMT
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Subject: Re: A Jackson Hole query or three... (Hey, isn't A2 a new
ski?...)
From: Dave Harsant, harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 01:50:11 GMT
In article <1993Jan21.015011.11541@trl.oz.au> Dave Harsant,
harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU writes:
>In article <C1679H.23EJ@austin.ibm.com> root@cobrat.austin.ibm.com ()
writes:
>>p.s. forget about discount tickets.  $39/day at the Hole, plus and
extra $2
>
>My info says $33 per day on a five day pass.
>


I ski at the village whenever I want for $24/day.  But if I told you how,
then I'd have to kill you!
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From: hkelly@tantalum.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: what to do when your car skids?
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:02:10 GMT
Organization: EDS Research, Albuquerque, NM

> Two comments:
>
>   1) Depends on the car you're driving. Definately you should turn "into"
>      the skid (i.e. left in this case). If you have front wheel drive then
>      you have to apply the *correct* pressure to the accelerator pedel
>      in order to keep the front wheels from breaking loose. In a rear
>      wheel drive it's not quite as important, although eventually you'll
>      have to match up the rear-wheel speed, either by applying gas or
>      putting in the clutch. In either case if you "hit" the gas you'll 
>      probably make things worse.
>
>   2) If there's anybody else out there who doesn't already know the 
>      answer to this question then PLEASE do not drive in snow until you
>      figure it out! Go practice in a parking lot. Take a driving lesson.
>      Do whatever it takes but DON'T go driving in the mountains! This 
>      is the kind of thing that closes highways...
>
> ..glen


Amen, especially point number 2.  And don't think that 4-wheel drive is the
answer.  Once those brakes lock up, who cares how many wheels have power.
I have these memories of a heavy snow morning in Utah, driving to work
along the Interstate, and seeing all these Jeeps and Blazers overturned or
otherwise in the median.  Yeah, they go like Hell, but they don't stop no
better than any other critter on the road.  As I already said in another
post, the key is "slow."

h. kelly shuldberg
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
Albuquerque, NM
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: tom@vexcel.com (Tom Baltzer)
Subject: ACL Tear, need advice.
Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder CO
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:32:29 GMT


Greetings all,

I recently blew out my ACL and went to see a well recomended Orthopedist.
He informed me that that particular ligament can heal itself, and 
barring cartlige damage shouldn't require surgery.  

I just wanted to get the net.opinion on this statement.  Has anyone
else done this and successfully recovered without surgery?

I'd appreciate any info that can be provided.

Thanks, (in pain)

Tom.
From: hkelly@tantalum.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: New Mexico snow/ski report
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:03:30 GMT
Organization: EDS Research, Albuquerque, NM

In article <1jkc06INNe16@hp-col.col.hp.com> rstern@col.hp.com (Richard Stern) writes:
>> New Mexico ski/snow report for 1/20/93:
>> 
>>             Base('')       New(24hrs)      New
>> Taos          90              4             8 storm
>> Purgatory     85              6            26 week
>> Ski Apache    56              8            12 storm
>> Santa Fe     122              5            22 week
>> Sandia        64              2            12 week
>> Angel Fire    70              7            16 week
>> Red River     65              ?              ?
>
>When did Purgatory move it's mountain to New Mexico??
>
>For those who don't know, Purgatory is in southwestern Colorado just
>25 miles north of Durango.  And they've got plenty of snow this year :-)!
>
>Richard Stern
>rstern@col.hp.com


Obviously he's reverting to the pre-Mexican War days when most of what is
now Southern Colorado was considered, by Mexico, as part of their" New
Mexico."  Wolf Creek would also fall into this category, as well as much of
Western Arizona.  What's the name of the ski area around Pinetop, close to
the Mogollon Rim?

Anyway, this is just another reason to boycott New Mexico.  I mean,
Southern Colorado was once a part of it.

h. kelly shuldberg
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
From: sl8nr@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: UTAH Beer ???
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:30:05 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <C16ooF.4wr@news.rich.bnr.ca>, mhoyt@crchh47.BNR.CA (Michael Hoyt) writes:
> I will hopefully be returning once more to SLC to ski little cottonwood
> again this year.  I was there this December and bought some beer at
> a grocery store.  I don't remember if it took twice as long to catch
> a buzz but someone told me that UTAH beer is rated PG-13.  Something like
> half the alcohol % of beer sold in most other states.
> 
> Is this right, Pussy beer?!?
> 
> Mike.
> 
You got it.  Utah beer actually only contains 2% alcohol, whereas most states
have 3 or 4% alcohol.  If you're planning on getting sloshed with the stuff,
you'd better buy a whole hell of a lot.  I guess that's the price to pay for
all of that delicious Utah white fluffy stuff.  
Justin Hult (hult@ups.edu)
I don't have a signature yet.  Boy do I fell stupid!
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mluoto@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Markku Luoto)
Subject: Skiing / Hiking / X-country in New Zealand
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:02:55 GMT



Anyone Know anything about New Zealand ...

	-skiing
	-Hiking
	-Nordik / cross country skiing ?

locations, addresses, experiences, what to - and what not (do's &
don't's) etc...

_ALL_ _INFO_ _APPRECIATED_

Thanks !

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Ski Report Euphemisms
Organization: I.E.C.C.
Date: 23 Jan 93 13:18:05 EST (Sat)
From: johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine)

You have to realize that ski reports are phrased in technical jargon.
Once you're familiar with the jargon, the reports are easy to understand.


Jargon			Explanation
======			===========
Excellent conditions	Fair conditions
Good conditions		Poor conditions
Fair conditions		Grass, rocks, and/or mud

Packed powder		Ice
Packed granular		Ice
Loose granular		Ice cubes
Machine-made-snow	Shaved ice

Fog			Rain
Misty			Monsoon
Spring conditions	Summer conditions

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {spdcc|ima|world}!iecc!johnl
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: cineman@iesd.auc.dk (Michael Dorph Joergensen)
Subject: Skiing in Wagrain (Austria)
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, University of Aalborg
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:05:54 GMT


This year i am going skiing i Wagrain, Austria.

I would like to know if somebody have been to Wagrain.

If so, i would like to get some "hints" about the place.

Thanks.

/cineman
From: mikeg@olympus.East.Sun.COM (Mike Grove - Federal S.E. Vienna Va.)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: New Ski Design
Date: 22 Jan 1993 21:17:19 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mikeg@olympus.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: olympus-bb.east.sun.com

No ski in the world is going to make you ski double black diamonds if you don't possess
the ability to begin with.  But a new ski might give you the confidence to jump you to
the next plateau, whether that is double diamond or not depends on where your
skiing ability is at this time.
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From: klaus@ced.utah.edu (Klaus Biggers,MEB 3140b,581-6499)
Subject: Re: Rename rec.skiing to rec.outdoors.skii
Reply-To: klaus@ced.utah.edu
Organization: Center for Engineering Design
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 23:18:43 GMT

In article 1k1lppINN4mb@news.gac.edu, censtad@nic.gac.edu (Topher the Gustie) writes:
>In article <RIGG.93Jan25113920@valeron.che.wisc.edu>  writes:
>> Recently, an official RFD (Request For Discussion) was posted to
>> several group suggesting that several groups be moved to the
>> rec.outdoors. hierarchy which currently contains just
>> rec.outdoors.fishing.
>
>I think it's same to assume WHY there is only one thing there... it's just  
>making it too wordy.  Rec.skiing should stay where it is... move fishing  
>over here.

I think the fishing newsgroup is there to distuinguish it from the
rec.indoors.fishing group. The two groups don't get along at all.
Just like rec.skiing and snowboarders.

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From: fahje@cvdv80.mayo.edu ()
Subject: Re: Transportation to/from Vail/Beaver Creek - Denver
Reply-To: mfahje@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 16:00:23 GMT


--


Sorry it would not let me e-mail directly.

>Could someone provide information as to prices and means
>of travel to the Beaver Creek Ski Area from Denver.
 
Vans to Vail was 34.00 or 35.00 one way.
Colorado Mountain Express was 39.00 one way.


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From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: what to do when your car skids?
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:05:19 GMT

thatcher@vcd.hp.com (Garen Thatcher) writes:
>He said "Steer the car in the direction you want to go. It does you
>no good to steer opposite of the skid if that will put you into a 
>ditch"

This is what I always did with my old front-wheel drive car.  Point
the wheels where I want to go and accelerate or at least maintain
speed.  I remember coming home from Rocky Mtn N.P., we were going down
hill approaching a corner.  I let of the gas, the car lost traction,
and turned sideways (luckly same direction as corner).  Once the car
reached the corner I stood on the gas and we rocketed out of there.
No problem. Lots of sweat.

--Chris
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