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From: u6069416@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Preguntas sobre Espana-L
Date: 24 Jan 93 11:42:53 +1100
Organization: The University of Melbourne

Acabo de leer un mensaje acerca de como suscribirse a la lista espana-l y
me ha entrado la curiosidad por saber que es eso de espana-l y que quiere
decir suscribirse a una lista. Perdon por estas preguntas tan simplonas pero
es que soy un completo ignorante en todos estos asuntos y voy aprendiendo
sobre la marcha.
         
Joaquin Royo
From: josema@OCEANIA.INF.ISEI.JRC.IT (Jose Maria Torres)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Ref: Informacion sobre los reyes.
Date: 22 Jan 1993 08:16:20 -0600
Organization: ESPANA-L - soc.culture.spain Gateway
Reply-To: Jose Maria Torres <josema@OCEANIA.INF.ISEI.JRC.IT>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Hola a todos,

el 21-1-93 Jorge David Rivas escribio':

 > ........
 >>Estoy mucho  interesado por la cultura espan~ola y yo gustari'a que me
hablaran
 >> de los reyes de Espan~a. Primeramente yo interesa el rey de orros, el de
 >>bastos, el de copas y el de espadas, pero cualquier informacio'n sobre otro
 >>tipo de reyes, como los Reyes Magos, tambie'n gusto.
 >>
 >>Gracias para ti,yo estoy viajando pronto a Espan~a y espero conocerlos
a todos
 >>los reyes. Por favor me decir la e-mail direccio'n de los reyes, si'?.
 >>
 >>Adio's.
 >>
 >>V. B.
 >
 > Tambien se te han olvidado Fernando Rey, Barbara Rey y Burt REYnolds (
que esta
 >de vacaciones en mi pueblo).

ORDAGO A LA GRANDE !!!!!!!!!

Jose Maria Torres
Ispra (Varese) Italia

*******************************************************
"Don Juan, Don Juan, la puntita nada ma's" (Ano'nima)
"Pero que dices bella doncella, te metere' toda ella" (Don Juan)
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From: GA94J85%WOOSTER.BITNET@VM.USC.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Ref: Suicidio
Date: 23 Jan 1993 07:37:53 -0600
Organization: ESPANA-L - soc.culture.spain Gateway
Reply-To: <GA94J85%WOOSTER.BITNET@VM.USC.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Un Sr. Gallego dice:

 >      Repito en S E V I L L A

  SSSSSSSS   EEEEEEE  VVVVVVV    IIIII   LLLLL   LLLLLL   AAAAAA


Y solo este hecho anima y reanima a cualquiera.


Que tristeza la de los que no viven o estan aqui.


 Sus calles, sus gentes, sus bares, su ambiente,...

..., su limpido cielo azul,...

         ..., esa calle Betis....

                 ..., esa cerveza CRUZCAMPO"
 >
        {...}   SUS CHORIZOS !!!

- Menos gratuitous publicidad, macho. que la ESSPO ya s'acabao!
:) :)
JGL
From: GA94J85%WOOSTER.BITNET@VM.USC.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: CONTACTOS
Date: 27 Jan 1993 10:26:17 -0600
Organization: ESPANA-L - soc.culture.spain Gateway
Reply-To: <GA94J85%WOOSTER.BITNET@VM.USC.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Estudiante cachondisimo, 20 a., 1.80 m,
68 k., moreno, fornido, sincero, bromista,
romantico y sexy.  Busca mujer apabullante
tipo Claudia Schiffer (no tiene porque lamarse
asi tampoco).  Pelo + piernas largas,
cordillera alpina, sentido del humor, y que
pueda exponer disertaciones de fisica quantica
(perdon!) cuantica/nuclear a nivel de postgrado,
y con nociones de las implicaciones socio-
culturales y teologicas del impacto de la
musica gospel en Estados Juntitos.


No sus ofendais nadie.... que es una broooooma. :)
Yo tambien estoy muy a favor de los derechos de
la mujer -> A LA MILI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

Josep G.
From: rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo)
Subject: Re: Ref: Ham: Spains cultural heavyweight
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:36:28 GMT

In article <9301220227.AA08375@kings.acsc.com> <GA94J85%WOOSTER.BITNET@VM.USC.EDU> writes:
>
>Querido Ray (not Vallecano),
>
>Si hombre si... es que me las estaba dando de peque#ajo..
>Pero no soy tan naive, ... hehe Yo me lo como con tomate
>y  aceite chaval... Como todo buen catalan, y tu?

 Bueno, como sabras aqui en la "United" tenemos cosas mas sofisticadas
 que tomate y aceite. Se vende toda clase de sabores "concentrados" 
 para "comer" tan delicada golosina! :-)
 Hay hasta uno con sabor y olor a paella, cargada de pescado que parece
 ser la mas popular, o talvez sea porque aca' no se usa mucho el bidet? ...
 Pero a mi me gusta asi', -au naturel! Vivre la France!

 Mientras tanto sigue usando el aceite de oliva que es mas bajo en
 colesterol, sobre todo si comes opiparamente como todo buen catalan! :-)

 Buen provecho chaval,
--
Ray I. Ravelo                "We're your opposition, Mr. Castro, we 10 million
Office of Academic Computing. Cubans who look around us in terror"
UC, Irvine.                 from the open letter to Castro by M.E. Cruz-Varela
From: CERVERON@EVALUN11.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Copa del Rey de Futbol
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:07:11 GMT
Organization: Valencia Uiversity (Universitat de Valencia) SPAIN


  Hola,
    como veo que no lo sabeis, ahi va el sorteo para los octavos de final
de la Copa del Rey de futbol

  MALLORCA - REAL MADRID
  JAEN - VILLAREAL
  VALLADOLID - (Lugo o Albacete)
  AT. MADRID - BARCELONA
  EXTREMADURA - OVIEDO
  SPORTING - ZARAGOZA
  LERIDA - REAL SOCIEDAD
  SEVILLA - VALENCIA

  Pues bueno!


email to: cerveron@vm.ci.uv.es        ______/..._ ^France-Europe
smile to: Vicente Cerveron           |..Spain  /
                                     | :     */ Valencia
                 , _ ,               |_:_  __/
spanish products   n    from Spain       \/
From: galfer@CICA.ES (Juan B. Gallego)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: TANZANIA
Date: 26 Jan 1993 07:20:00 -0600
Organization: ESPANA-L - soc.culture.spain Gateway
Reply-To: Juan B. Gallego <galfer@CICA.ES>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


----------------------------- Start of body part 1

Hola a todos,

Tengo un amigo trabajando en la Universidad de DAR ES SALAAM en
Tanzania (Africa), y hace tiempo que no se nada de el (quizas se lo
haya comido un leon).
Me complaceria mucho si alguien me pudiese dar una direccion de
E-mail de alguien de dicha Universidad, o si no de como podria yo
conseguir conectarme con alguien de alli.

Muchas gracias,                  J.B.(Juanba)

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From: cadx721@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("Inigo")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Re: Consultorio Fiscal de la Se#orita Pepis
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:03:55 GMT
Organization: University of Strathclyde

Oye, si te llevas a Espa#a un coche de uno de los paises de la CEE, ?debes
matricularlo en Espa#a? si la respuesta es si... ?Puedes matricularlo desde el
pais de origen?... Estoy pensando en comprarme un coche aqui en Escocia y
llevarmelo de vuelta a Pamplona.

Inigo
From: javier@TREES1.MTV.IRSA.JRC.IT (Javier Hervas-Diego)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Patentes
Date: 27 Jan 1993 06:02:31 -0600
Organization: ESPANA-L - soc.culture.spain Gateway
Reply-To: Javier Hervas-Diego <javier@TREES1.MTV.IRSA.JRC.IT>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Pablo Lanza writes ...
 >> Hay un instituto europeo de patentes (o algo asi), que creo que esta en Suiza
 >> pero en cualquier caso en el RPI le pueden informar

Existe una organizacion internacional denominada "European Patent Office" o EPO,
con oficinas en Munich (oficina central, creo), La Haya y Berlin.

Javier Hervas

CEC Joint Research Centre
21020 Ispra (VA), Italy
e-mail: javier.hervas@jrc.it
From: dominguez@ESAII.UPC.ES (Pablo Dominguez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Ref: Suicidio
Date: 27 Jan 1993 02:55:57 -0600
Organization: ESPANA-L - soc.culture.spain Gateway
Reply-To: Pablo Dominguez <dominguez@ESAII.UPC.ES>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Que es un "micro-brew" (como Redhook)?? Para hacerte tu mismo la birra??
Cuanto vale?? Donde se puede pedir???


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: Eugene.Liu@launchpad.unc.edu (Eugene Liu)
Subject: Re: About the "ROC (Taiwan) Job Information System"
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:55:57 GMT

In article <1jtdl7INN119@aludra.usc.edu> hsiwang@usc.edu (Hsi-Chun Wang) writes:
>I have logged in the "Taiwan Job Information System" one time, and
>found it provides a lot of exciting informations.  However, for
>students not in New York area, they will pay the long distance
>telephone charge for each searching.  I have checked with the Cultural
>Divission of CCNAA in Los Angeles and they will NOT provide the
>similar service in the near future.  Even every Cultural Divission
>Office install the "Taiwan Job Information System", I think most of
>the students still need dail the long distance phone call to get
>the informations.
>
>I am wondering that is it possible for soc.culture.taiwan netters in
>New York areas to login the "Taiwan Job Information System" and
>download the information to the PC and then post in the
>soc.culture.taiwan.  If it can be done, it will save a lot of money
>for overseas Taiwanese students all over the world.  By the way, the
>soc.culture.taiwan will attract much more readers.
>
>The BBS phone number: 212-373-1879 
>For informations and questions: 212-373-1809 Cultural Divission of
>CCNAA in New York.

Ummm, sorry for quoting the whole thing, got lazy... :b Anyway, I think the 
CCNAA in N.Y. made a good choice in setting up a BBS of this kind. I'm pretty
sure all the CCNAA offices in the USA have a data line for transmitting e-data,
how they use it, I don't know. They have e-mail, too, but I don't think it's
Internet e-mail...

Maybe if this "project" in N.Y. has a good response, they'll put up a 1-800
line? :) Let's call them or write them and let them know... :)

:E.Liu

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:17484 soc.culture.china:35139
From: chchen@milton.u.washington.edu (CHEN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: For the people
Date: 25 Jan 1993 02:08:53 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: world
Reply-To: chchen@u.washington.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: milton.u.washington.edu

In article  e2liuzhe@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (Zhen Liu) writes:
>
>Dr. Sun was a great man, he overthraw Qing dynasty which was one man above
>million people. But CCP is not anymore. offcourse you may say Mr. Deng is
>the godfather of communist, but whatever CCP does, it at least keeps 
>saying that is for people. economists estimate china will keep 7-10% rate
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What a great say! Please keep saying so. 

>increase within 20 years. I am fraid capitalism would not be better, maybe 
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^
Well, we call that "Chinese social capitalism". It is particularly designed
for China over 30 years of experience,  and we are very proud of it.
 
>worse such as what happens in East Europe and Soviet Union. why do we take
>the risk????? Let us give CCP 20 years to modernlize china. By the way,
>KMT is a dictator too, it just begin to change------a hooker is getting
>married!!!!!

Another hooker will be getting married soon. Cheers!

C-H



Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: u235@rex.uokhsc.edu (Yung-Jin Lee)
Subject: Re: Those Typical Taiwanese (A mug's story)
Organization: University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center, OKC
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:01:06 GMT

>>I suggest a label such as 'buy at your own risk' and 'brittle, handle with
>>care' for MIT products.  How do you think.  But seriously, it's exactly
>>attitude like yours that indirectly contributes to those low quality MIT
>>products.  You are dead wrong, Japanese products are good and usually have the
>>the right price.
>
>>Another question I
>>always have is: why are you Taiwanese people always put on a huge jacket even
>>on sunny day?
>
	I would like to tell a story that happened here in Oklahoma City
about a mug which was made in China.  One of senators bought a mug and
one day he poured the hot water into the mug.  The mug was borken after
the hot water pouring.  He turned the bottom of the mug up and found the
mug was made in China.  He said 'Of course it would be broken because
it is made by Chink!'  After this a lot of protests occurred at that time.
Chinese Student Association (CSA) made a strong comment to against
that senator.   CSA is the organization of students from Taiwan.  Well,
CSSA (China Students and scholars association) made no comment at that
moment.  The vice president (Dr. Huang, from Taiwan) of Oklahoma City
University led a group of Taiwanese students to protest at the front of
Capital.  Finally, the Governor Walter also said the senator should
apologize for what he said.  The senator did that in The Oklahoma Daily
(the campus paper).  Fortunately, we have a happy ending here.

	I am very happy that I can buy a stuff which is made in Taiwan.
Unfortunately, usually the stuff or product which is MIT is expensive.
I have confidence about the quality of products made in Taiwan.  Recently
we have some students from mainland wanted to buy personal computers.
Among made in South Korea, HongKong and Taiwan, they all agree the
quality of Taiwan's PC is the best.  They would rather spent more to
get a PC made in Taiwan.  Is MIT good or bad?  We should leave it
to the consumers to make their own decisions.

YJ




Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang)
Subject: Re: Those Typical Taiwanese
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:50:45 GMT

In article <1jpm5sINNh1i@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> chyang@crevecouer.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
>
>	Singapore is doing a very good job attracting trade and foreign
>investment, but the country is mostly service and manufactring oriented.
>Taiwan has full blown industries, that produce heavy products for other
>industries.  The economic make up of Taiwan and Singapore is very different.
>But when it comes down to it, I take Taiwan anyday because she has the 
>capability from R & D all the way to high level production and manufactoring.  
>
Just few years ago when Taiwan took 6th place in global computer market,
her government vowed to get Taiwan into the 3rd place.  Unfortunately,
a vow with out a plan worth nothing.  Soon, Singapore surpassed Taiwan
and became took the 6th largest share in the market.  From what I
learned, R & D has to be backed by sound financing which the
conservative state banking system in Taiwan are not capable of.

The problem of Singapore is that she does not have much of her own means
of production.  Most of the business are owned by foreigners.  It's
truely an oasis sustained by foreign investment.  But is Taiwan is a
better position?  Just look at Yu-Long (originally a textile company
transplanted to Taiwan; built from nothing with the granted US material
and US import quota allocated by the KMT) Automobile.  The company is
not much more than a Nissan assembly settlelite except that the group
had join the venture of speculation in the construction business.
Evergreen is built on Japanese finance rather than Taiwan's foreign
reserve.  Also, the US presence should not be ignored.

>
>	Most of these companie listed here are consumer electronics or 
>sports equipment.  Unless you are from a third world country, you should 
>have at least heard some of these names.   But these companies are not
>the back bone of Taiwan's economy.  The gentalmen  who wrote this post 
>forgot to include heavy industries, such as Evergreen, the shipping 
>company.  Taiwan plastic (Huge), and President Company.  These company 
>may not be well know because they are the parent companies to many of
>the products that you see in the US.   For example President owns one of
>US's top five bakeries.  I think it was "Famous Amos"  or something.
>It is well know in I think the east cost.  
>
The backbone of Taiwan's economy have no big names.  They are small or
middle enterprises which mostly involves in OEMs.  They produce 70% of
Taiwan's GNP.  Notice that once a large enterprise turns transnational
(ie. has arms in various continents), motherland become less important
to the enterprise.


William H.
From: chyang@simile.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Bad Taiwanese Journalism
Date: 22 Jan 1993 22:25:21 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: simile.engin.umich.edu
Originator: chyang@simile.engin.umich.edu


In article <16B5ECAB0.RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu>, RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu writes:
> Brothers and Sisters:
>  
>    On 12/16/92, the World Journal (pro-Taiwanese Chinese Newpapers in the US)
> headlined "Oversea MAINLAND student killed....." on its first page regarding
> the crime committed by Wayne Lo *. It was soon discovered that Wayne Lo was
> actually from Taiwan.   The World Journal, in the followup report on the
> story appeared on the third page the next day, did not even amention the
> mistake they made in the previous report!  I found it to be rather disgusting!
>  
> * Wayne Lo killed two and hurt several others on a college campus in the
>   state of Massachusetts on 12/15/92.
>  
>    After the University of Iowa killing, instead of treating it as an incident
> committed by a problem individual, pro-Taiwanese media was quick to blame it
> on communism for systematically creating such a monster killer.
>  
>   So, now what?
>  
>   Well, just assume Wayne Lo is a mainlander.  After all, those mainlanders
> deserve it all because they are poor.
>  
>                                    -- not from a mainlander.
>  


	No, the mainlanders never deserved anything like that.  They don't
deserve to be poor, nor do they deserve to be treated like that in the news
media.  They never had a choice in this matter.  They never had any say to
what kind of government or economic system they want to live under.  They
never had a choice to say that they don't want CCP to control their lives.
It's very unfortunate and extemely unfair.  For that the mainlanders have 
a reason to be very very angry.   

	On the other hand, the Taiwnese do have a choice as to how they want
to lead their lives. ( Not everyone is going to agree with me, especially the
TI gentlemen and women, but let me remind you that you do have the right to
vote and you can do something about it.)  But the mainlanders don't have this
and as far as I am concerned,  this is the only difference between the 
Taiwanese and the Mainlanders.  

	BTW, mainland unfortunately, is a hotbed for Taiwanese criminals.
There are 300+ criminal currently under most wanted list in Taiwan that
are unaccounted for.  It is known that these people have escaped to the
Mainland and SE Asia.  So this Wayne Lo guy may be one of these criminials.
Maybe someone can provide more information.  

- C. H. Yang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu
Subject: Re: Those Typical Taiwanese
Organization: University of Florida, NERDC
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 21:54:10 EST

In article <C163MD.G0x@cs.mcgill.ca>
snowdog@cs.mcgill.ca (Rodney CHANG) writes:
 
>
>In article <16B5B131E1.RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu> RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu writes:
>>In article <1993Jan19.155304.29540@zip.eecs.umich.edu>
>>ccchou@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chih-Che Chou) writes:
>>
>>[irrelevant garbage]
>>
>>To your disbelief, I've many Taiwanese to whom I call friends.  I lived with
>>a Taiwanese for a couple of years, as a matter of fact.  Another question I
>>always have is: why are you Taiwanese people always put on a huge jacket even
>>on sunny day?
>
>Taiwanese people always put on a huge jacket even on sunny day because the
>temperature outside is minus 20.  Mainlanders, because of their vastly
>superior intelligence, equate sunshine w/ desert heat, forgetting that
>the sun can still shine on a sub-zero day.
>
>Rodney Chang          | "Dohhh!!" - Homer Simpson, Springfield Nuclear Sup.
>snowdog@cs.mcgill.ca  | "Dohhh??" - Richard Holden, a nobody.
>b7jd@musicb.mcgill.ca | ** Les Expos & Nordiques in '93, '94, '95, '96  ... ***
Dear Mr. Chang:
   If you just joined this group or just got back from the tiny island from the
winter break, I suggest you do a litle net homework before you go out and shoot
a minlander on the street.  You're obviuosly well behind the schedule.
   In the meantime, also learn how not to take words literally.  Perhaps
the next time I should write "on warm days" so that idiot like you can
get the message.
                          --  not a mainlander
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,alt.culture.indonesia
From: tlihsin@hubcap.clemson.edu (lih-sin the)
Subject: Re: Indonesian, Chinese and Raja
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:11:40 GMT

srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan K.) writes:

>In article <1k4nsgINNq4m@pollux.usc.edu> mcyang@pollux.usc.edu 
>(Bien-Chao Iunn) writes:
>>In article <16B5EFC66.RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu> RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu 
>>writes:
>>>I    A M    A    C H I N E S E (I just said it but not so proudly because I'm
>>>                                helplessly associated with people like you)
>>
>>I once knew a person who is from Indonesia and is ethnically Chinese.
>>
>>I once told him that since he was born and raised in Indonesia,
>>I consider him Indonesian.   Supprisingly, he was very angry
>>and told me that my claim is an insult to him.  I, personally,
>>consider his attitue is an insult to the country he is from.
>>
>>P.S.  According to my understanding "Raja" means "King" in Indonesian.
>>      Correct me if I am wrong.

>Raja means king in all Indian languages as well as Indonesian language.
>It becomes 'Reza' in Persian. Becomes 'Roi' in French, 'Regi' in Latin etc.



>Raja could be the name of an Indonesian of Chinese descent.
You can try this, finger RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu
and the result is :
[nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu]
     Logon:  RAJA        In real life:  SUBRAMANIAN, R.
  Terminal:  None          Logon time:  Not logged on
 Idle time:


      It is rare or almost never heard a chinese Indonesian has a name as
      Raja Subramanian.



>I knew one Indonesian 'Tejasurya'. He was an Indonesian of chinese
>descent. He said, during Sukarno's regime, most chinese were
>encouraged to change their names to Indonesian native names.

>Teja (powerful) surya (sun) is a valid Indian name also.

>Srinivasan K

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,alt.culture.indonesia