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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: hpterm considered stupid
Summary: clear screen with extreme prejudice
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:13:19 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to bill@bain3.bain.oz.au (Bill Richardson):
>chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>> Bad news: you can only have eight distinct color combinations
>> displayed at a time?!
>
>Technically you can have 64 combinations (8 foreground * 8 background)

If only it were so!

There are eight color sets, numbered zero through seven.  Each
character on the screen is associated with exactly one color set.
Now, you can have any foreground and any background you like assigned
to a given color set -- but there are only eight sets, so you are
limited to a total of eight color combinations displayed at once.

(On the other hand, you can specify fractional red, green and blue
values for each color set.  As a co-worker of mine observed: "You can
only have eight colors -- but they're eight _bitchin'_ colors.")

Worse, hpterm remembers where you specified that a color should begin
to be displayed.  The only way to be sure that you're getting a clean
slate of colors is to use the clear-to-end-of-line command ("nuke it
from orbit") and redraw the whole line.

As if that weren't enough: since my original article I've found out
that only eight of the twelve function keys generate distinct escape
sequences -- F9-F12 repeat F1-F4 -- and the arrow keys can't generate
escape sequences at all!

I hate hpterm.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "Do Rush place weird subliminal backmasked messages in their songs to
 compel unwilling geeks to commit evil .sig atrocities?"  -- Dean Engelhardt
From: paul@eye.com (Paul B. Booth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Re: trouble with HP-UX software support : solution idea
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:06:36 GMT
Organization: 3D/EYE, Inc.  Ithaca, NY

In article <1690008@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM> lou@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Lou Kvitek) writes:
>
>The suggestions you made are good and interesting.  Let it be
>known that those of us in HP support that build tools like
>support.mayfield are reading notes and are tracking the
>comments and ideas that other HP entities and especially
>our customers are making.
>
>We are currently nearing the end of an investigation into
>possible alternatives for providing proactive patching
>features to our customers.  Some features of this program
>will be rolling out over the next (approximately) 6-12 months.
>
>Keep the inputs coming, and watch for some new features to
>help with your patching needs.

THANKS, LOU!  It's nice to know that someone's listening.


-- 
Paul B. Booth  (paul@eye.com)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3D/EYE, Inc., 2359 N. Triphammer Rd., Ithaca, NY  14850    voice: (607)257-1381
                                                             fax: (607)257-7335
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: neal@neal.ctd.comsat.com (Neal Becker)
Subject: Re: smail / HP-UX 8.0 compiling probs
Organization: COMSAT Labs
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:15:10 GMT

I have been using smail 3.1.25 forever without problem on hp9000/7xx
8.05-8.07.  Are you using CFLAGS="-Aa -D_HPUX_SOURCE"?
From: franks@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com (Frank Slootweg CRC)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: HP1000/RTE question: How to read data to DOS/UNIX?
Date: 27 Jul 92 09:06:21 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, The Netherlands

Dave Dittrich writes:

> Funny, but every response I have gotten so far mentioned using kermit.

  Does that mean you did not get my response, which did not mention
kermit? (I posted and e-mailed a copy of my posting.)

> Assuming there is a serial port on the HP1000 (I only looked at the back
> of the box quickly and saw no apparent ports), ...

  I assume that the system console is some kind of HP terminal. The idea
is to *replace* this terminal by a PC with the HP AdvanceLink or WRQ
Reflection terminal emulator.

Todd Poynor (of HP) writes:

> If the LIF (Logical Interchange Format) utility is available on the 1000,
> then software is available which will read it on DOS.  The company which
> sells the DOS software is located in Lake Oswgeo, Illinois, and is named
> something like Oswgeo Software.

  HP also sells LIF utilities for the PC :

3563A option 921       Standard Data Format Utilities  ~$150
E2080A                 LIF Utilities for the PC        ~$191

  3563A option 921 seems to be the preferred product.

Frank Slootweg, HP, Dutch Customer Response Center
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: system@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (System Admin (Mike Peterson))
Subject: Re: various questions/complaints
Keywords: 710, hpux, amd, script
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 12:29:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.222818.22280@gdwest.gd.com> good@gdwest.gd.com (CWP 570499236 Good) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.182711.24883@doug.cae.wisc.edu> longstre@cae.wisc.edu (Jon Longstreth) writes:
>>Third problem:
>>back to the 710 running hpux 8.07
>>the command 
>>eval `resize -c`
>>returns the error message
>>broken pipe
>>about half of the time.
>
>Check your .cshrc or ksh ENV file for weird things, especially anything that
>expects to talk to a tty.  Some of our Sun users have put things like:
>
> if (`tty` != "console")...
>
>in their .cshrc, and caused themselves all kinds of trouble.  Hmmm. Come
>to think of it, That could be a potential cause for Problem #1 as well.

While there are many 'stty' problems with HP-UX (don't do 'stty -tabs'
in your .cshrc/.kshrc unless you can guarantee you are in an 
"interactive" shell for example), the "broken pipe" message comes
from something else, since you can get it by running many other
things through pipes (e.g. 'zcat blah.tar.Z | tar xf -' will give the
same message about half the time) - my guess would be that the first
process in the pipeline is seeing the second process terminate,
which would close the pipe, and complains about it instead of just
going away quietly. You can also get it by piping things to a pager,
then exitting the pager before the first process has had time to
complete.

Our "solution" for 'resize' was to invoke it twice in a row (we
use an alias to run it in any case, so having it done twice is not
too hard).
-- 
What are the chances that any computer system will ever "work" properly?
... and Slim just left town. -*- Mike Peterson, SysAdmin, U/Toronto Chemistry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: rroman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Randall Roman)
Subject: Re: Running HP clients on a Sun with OpenWin
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:36:50 GMT

In article <4580058@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> aaa@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Simon Fowler) writes:
>
> The bug has been reported to Sun (Sun bug id is 1076332). The problem
> exists only with OpenWindows 3.0. Any Motif 1.1 client will have this
> problem. A work-around is to set the following resource in the Sun
> X server:
>
>   *useColorObj: false

I attempted this fix in order to speed up displays from Mathematica.
It worked with some unfortunate side effects.  The windows are prone
to disappear at the slightest provocation.  Clicking in the window
will cause them to disappear.  Trying to use the menus on the window
causes them to go away.  I dunno what the fix to this fix is.  BTW,
I am using OpenWindows 3.0....

--
Randy Roman
rroman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu




Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: crsg9887@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chad R. Sandstrom)
Subject: hp730 <- Digitizer: Communications Library Wanted
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:25:00 GMT

 Help me out folkes (or is that folks),

 I have an hp 730 and a hp 46087b Digitizing Tablet (that's a HP-HIL
 device, like a mouse or a keyboard).  

 I would like to find a library (c or fortran) that could facilitate
 command/control/data extraction from this device.  I am aware that 
 I could write my own c routines to do this, but there must be a faster
 way a better way than my c skills allow.

 Point the way, Thanks for your help

 --
 chad sandstrom   crsg9887@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

From: manoj@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Manoj Dadoo)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 23:31:26 GMT
Subject: Re: cc: Internal error 6762: Investigation required
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp


< cc: Internal error 6762: Investigation required

We have fixed this defect in 9.0 release of compiler.

Thanks
Manoj Dadoo 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: wk@cup.hp.com (Wayne Krone)
Subject: Re: SCSI woes
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:23:44 GMT
Organization: HP-UX Kernel Lab, Cupertino
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

fgg@gemini.gsfc.nasa.gov (Frank G. Gomez) writes:
: System: HP 9000/730  at 8.07
: 
: What does it mean when these messages start appearing in
: /usr/adm/messages ? :
: 
: bus 1, ASC 4, ASC Q 0, sense key 2, ASL 14,
:   sense key specific bytes: 0 0 0

This translates into "logical unit not ready, cause not reportable".
I believe this is the error you get when the drive platters are not
spinning.  If the drive spontaneously went into this condition it
may be time to repair/replace it.
From: lchoi@usc.edu (L. Vera Choi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: help
Date: 21 Jul 1992 17:13:17 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu


Hello, 

We have been trying to generate the HPUX kernel
and have faced the following nasty problem.  I
wonder if any of you have seen it before and 
whether you have any advice on how to go about 
it.  

thanks,
Vera Choi 
(lchoi@perspolis.usc.edu)
------------------------------------------------------------
We are trying to introduce a new system call to the
HPUX kernel (version 8.07).  After compiling the kernel 
with the new system call, we fail to boot up the system 
(HP 9000/720 series machine) with the new kernel.  If we 
nulify the body of the new system call (empty procedures), 
the system boots up fine.  I appreciate any suggestions on 
how to go about this problem.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: neal@neal.ctd.comsat.com (Neal Becker)
Subject: Re: Backup to DAT over net
Organization: COMSAT Labs
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:08:38 GMT

Another possiblity, get gnu tar from FSF.  This has build-in
capability to use /etc/rmt protocol to talk to remote tape!  Simple!
Just run tar on the machine you want to backup, but specify a remote
tape drive!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: beau1029@hgc.edu (donald beaudry)
Subject: Format of files used by update and updist
Organization: The Hartford Graduate Center
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:01:09 GMT

I am looking for information about the format of software tapes which
Hewlett-Packard distributes.  I wish to format my own software tapes
so that they may be loaded using HP's '/etc/update' and '/etc/updist'
programs.

PLATFORM: HP9000 Series 300/400     UNIX: HP-UX 7.05 & 8.0

PLATFORM: HP9000 Series 700         UNIX: HP-UX 8.05 & 8.07

Specifically, I need information on:

    - Format and use of the '/system/INDEX' file:
            What is the use of the "Type" field, and
            what are the valid parameters?

    - Format and use of the '/system/INFO' file:
            What is the use of the "Flags" field, and
            what are the valid parameters?

    - Format and use of the '/system/CDFinfo' file?

    - Format and use of the '/system/FILESET/pif' file?

    - Format and use of the '/system/FILESET/revlist' file?

    - What is the sequence of events which '/etc/update'
      performs when loading:
            - Each individual fileset?
            - Each software tape?

Thanks,

Don
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: sysrick@orion.spd.louisville.edu (Rick McTeague)
Subject: Centronics port: really write-only?
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:55:47 GMT

"man cent" on my 9000/730 (HPUX 8.07) tell me that the Centronics parallel
port only supports writes. Is this a hardware or a software limitation?

If it's a software limitation, does anyone know if/when reads from the
Centronics port might be supported?

Rick
-- 

Rick McTeague
Electrical Engineering Department, Speed Scientific School
University of Louisville, Louisville, KY 40292
(502) 588-7020

Internet: sysrick@starbase.spd.louisville.edu

Disclaimer: I'm a stand-up comedian; if anyone takes me seriously, I'm
            doing something wrong!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: rroman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Randall Roman)
Subject: Re: windows unexpectedly dying - why and how to fix it ?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:27:47 GMT

In article <jovanov.711913814@ceg.uiuc.edu> jovanov@ceg.uiuc.edu (Dan Jovanovic) writes:
>I noticed that when an xterm sits unused for a period of time
>it somehow gets killed. I'm curious as to which feature of
>HPUX/VUE (HP9000/7xx) controls this behavior and how I may change it. 
>

On our HP, this problem was due to csh having an automatic logout timer.
Adding this line to your .cshrc file will fix it.

unset autologout

You can of course check the man page for csh, and set the time to
whatever you like.

--
Randy Roman
r-roman@nwu.edu
                   Jarvis needs Help!!!
From: chuck@edsi.plexus.COM (Chuck Tomasi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: BZONE crashes and logs me out
Date: 20 Jul 92 16:12:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: edsi.1992Jul20.161241.27845
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI

I ftp'd bzonec.hp.tar.Z from the Interworks machine this past weekend.
It compiled and install quite nicely on a 360, 400t, and 425t each
running HP-UX 8.0.  It seems to have a bug though.  While playing it
will suddenly lockup, the screen will change colors and then I find
myself looking at a VUE login screen.  Has anyone else faced this
problem?  Is there a way around it or a patch to the program/OS that I
should look for?

There are a couple things I wish I could do while playing the game.
First is to be able to icon the program.  The bzone screen seems to take
over the whole thing.  While a game should provide a temporary
distraction from your work, you should be able to suspend/pause the game
and do some more work.  Couple this with the unexpected crash above and
you could find yourself short a few hours work if you have open files,
emulators, etc.

The second feature that would be nice is to be able to play it remotely.
I suspect this may have something to do with the first feature I wish
for in that it takes over.  I have tried setting my DISPLAY variable to
the remote site, but it errors out with the message:

X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for
operation)
  Major opcode of failed request:  26 (X_GrabPointer)
  Minor opcode of failed request:  0
  Resource id in failed request:  0xc5
  Serial number of failed request:  12
  Current serial number in output stream: 12

Not that it means anything to ME, but I thought someone might be able to
provide some insight into the problems.
-- 
Chuck Tomasi             |     "Mom, it's Data.  I heard you know
chuck@edsi.plexus.COM    |      how to turn him on." 
spool!cserver!edsi!chuck |                    -Wesley  "Datalore"
------<Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton Wisconsin>------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: mark@msi.com (Mark Benzel)
Subject: Vector libraries and +ppu
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:10:13 GMT

On the HP 720 (OS 8.07) I am trying to use the vector preprocessor and the +ppu
option at the same time.  The preprocessor generates calls to things like
vec_$dinit_i but the +ppu makes this vec_$dinit_i_.  When linking, I get an
unresolved reference for vec_$dinit_i_.  Is there a library that contains the
vec_$dinit_i_ version?  Unfortunately I need to use the +ppu option.

Thanks,

Mark Benzel
mark@msi.com
From: tgl+@cs.cmu.edu (Tom Lane)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Parallel port compatibility problems?
Summary: HP parallel port doesn't work with some printers
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:19:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Jul28.221947.247982
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

I've found out the hard way that the supposedly Centronics-compatible
parallel port on HP models 362 & 382 (and probably the rest of the
Series 300/400 line) is not compatible with some printers which work
just fine with PCs.

I don't know how widespread the problem is, but I do know that it didn't
work with the first two non-HP printers I tried (Epson LQ-800 and an Okidata
model); not exactly a good omen.  (It *did* work with a LaserJet and another
Epson model, so I don't think I have broken hardware or software.)  As best
I can tell, the parallel port hardware insists on seeing BUSY go true before
it will complete the data handshake, while these PC printers think that they
don't have to pulse BUSY if they can take another character right away.

If anyone has more information on this --- for instance, a list of just
which printers will and won't work --- please clue me in.

-- 
			TIA, tom lane
Internet: tgl@cs.cmu.edu	BITNET: tgl%cs.cmu.edu@carnegie
From: bruce@cfa.harvard.edu (Bruce Sams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Image Display on an HP720?
Date: 31 Jul 92 08:30:38 GMT
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA

Hello there HP netters!

I'm a new and proud ownwer of an HP 720 workstation and matching Xterminal
server.  I'm also a complete babe in the woods with system management, 
and so there's a lot to learn.  Basically the machine should be set up in a
very simple way, without a lot of fanciness, as we will primarily use it
for number crunching.  On the other hand, we'll also use it for image 
display in very simple ways.  I'm an astronomer who needs to do a few
simple tasks with images: namely to display greyscale and false color
images of our 2-d intensity maps.  The images are stroed in our own
local format, but I can convert them to whatever format (gif, tiff, 
bitmap, etc) is appropriate.

Does anyone out there have a recommnendation for a good, simple way to 
get a picture on the screen?  We really don't need anything fancy, just
to see our 128x128 or 256x256 pixel images displayed on the screen 
(large enough to see clearly) with a simple choice of color palette 
and (hopefully, but not necessarily) cursor movement to give 
positions/and or pixel values.

Any help or hints, even suggestions of where to look for such code would be
greatly appreciated.  Make a few astronomers jump for joy!

Thanks,


Bruce Sams

Max Planck Institute Astrophysics
sams@cvxastro.mpa.ipp-garching.mpg.de
From: eugene@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Gene Dick)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:56:31 GMT
Subject: Re: hpterm only supports eight colors?!
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp


In comp.sys.hp, chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:

>    Good news: hpterm supports colors (with the strangest set of escape
>    codes this side of EBCDIC).
>
>    Bad news: you can only have eight distinct color combinations
>    displayed at a time?!
>
>    Is there no way around this limitation?  Is there no replacement for
>    hpterm -- perhaps someone's hacked xterm -- that can display more than
>    eight color combinations at once?  Perspiring minds want to know!
>    -- 

I believe this is a carryover from the days of yesteryear.  hpterm has
built-in support for various older model HP terminals, of which one was
the HP2627A.  The 2627A was the first to support color and only had those
eight "colors" selected by escape sequences:

	 ESC&v0S    =    black (or no color, turn off color)
	 ESC&v1S    =    red
	 ESC&v2S    =    green
	 ESC&v3S    =    yellow
	 ESC&v4S    =    blue
	 ESC&v5S    =    magenta
	 ESC&v6S    =    cyan
	 ESC&v7S    =    black inside yellow inverse video


Gene Dick, HP Fort Collins

"My views are my own and not reflect those of my company"
From: dong@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Don Gourley)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 20:51:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Passing arrays between C and Fortran
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

There is a defect in the 8.0x versions of the Fortran compiler on the
Series 700 such that you cannot correctly view elements of adjustable
arrays while in the symbolic debugger.  The compiler has not given
the debugger the correct information it needs to calculate element
offsets when any dimension (other than the last) is of non-constant
size.  This defect is fixed in the next (9.0) release of Fortran.

The array should be properly handled by the Fortran subroutine, you
just can't verify it using xdb.  Try using PRINT statements to verify
this.

There are a couple of clumsy ways you can work around this problem
while using the debugger.  Since the first element prints ok (e.g.
"p matrix(1,1)", you can do that and then keep hitting return to
view subsequent elements.  Also, you can calculate the correct offset
for an element yourself and ask xdb to print the value at that
location.  For example, if matrix(1,1) is at 0x400010d0, you can view
matrix(3,2) at 0x400010d0 + (lrow*(3-1)+(2-1))*8  (lrow is the length
of rows; 3 is the specified row and 2 is the specified column but we
subtract one from each because Fortran arrays are one-based; and 8 is
the size of an element).  Use \F to specify double format to xdb (e.g.
"p *0x40001180\F" if lrow == 10).

From: alech@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Alec Henderson)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:47:51 GMT
Subject: Re: HP-UX 8.0 and SLIP
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

>We recently upgraded to HP-UX 8.0. One of the index mentions
>SLIP. But we have no further documentation or the SLIP software
>along with HP-UX 8.0. Is SLIP an add on/extra ?

All versions of HP-UX 8.0x include the "Point-to-Point Link" (ppl),
which is an implementation of SLIP.  Try man ppl or see manual
98194-60522 "Using Serial Line IP Protocols".

Regards,
Alec Henderson

Telephone: T/408-447-3965			Hewlett-Packard
FAX:       408-447-3660				Information Networks Division
E-mail:    alech@cup.hp.com	        	19420 Homestead Road MS 43L9
HPDesk:    Alec Henderson/HP6600/1B		Cupertino, CA  95014  (USA)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: raj@cup.hp.com (Rick Jones)
Subject: Re: NFS, HP730 and Apollos
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:22:52 GMT
Organization: The Place Where Packets Go To Die
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

One good way to see if the 700 is chasing links would be to take a look at
the output onf a "/usr/etc/nfsstat -c" call, which will show the client NFS
statistics on that machine.

rick jones

From: stachnik@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (George Stachnik)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:58:30 GMT
Subject: Re: File transfer between PC and HP 9000/720 using Kermit?
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

If you aren't locked into Kermit, I've found WRQ's REflection7 package
works beautifully with both 9000s (800, 700 and even 300 models) and
3000s (900 & 'classic')...

-geo
From: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Mark Bixby)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: E-mail address for Interex?
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:16:13 GMT
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

Is it possible to send e-mail to Interex?  There is a UUCP site registered
(interex); has anybody sent mail there?  Do they have a real Internet address?
Or should I just use their BBS?
-- 
Mark Bixby                         Internet: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu
Coast Community College District   1370 Adams Avenue
District Information Services      Costa Mesa, CA, USA  92626
Technical Support                  (714) 432-5064
"You can tune a file system, but you can't tune a fish." - tunefs(1M)