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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: How many undisputed heisman trophy winners can you come up with?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:27:32 GMT

Daniel Brown writes:

>>Howard?  The guy who brought us the Heisman pose?  The Backbone of the
>                                 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>Washington Redskins?  And I thought you were a net.guru . . .
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>This is a joke, right?

Holy crow, Goober, I never thought it would be *that* easy . . .  How'd you get
this job anyhow?

     - Pat
-- 
- Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------
- Department of Chemistry ----------- Sometimes I see me as an old manatee ----
- Ohio Wesleyan University ---------- Heading south as the waters grow colder -
- pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ------------------------------------------
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Roll Call -- Callin' all Aggies.
Keywords: tiguzz
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:14:47 GMT
Organization: .

(Mark W. Leddy, Texas A&M) writes:
>HERE !
>
>Class of '92 .... WHOOP !


This is becoming nauseating.  Nauseating, I tell you.

--J.J.
>:^
(aggies don't feed the poor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: Centre College (Was Defunct Bowl Games)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:48:57 GMT

Centre College was an unlikely powerhouse college football team in the 1920's.
They upset harvard in 1921 in what is considered one of the great upsets in 
college football history.  Their Quarterback in the early-20's, Bo McMillan, 
was one of the best quarterbacks of football's "Golden Age."

PDunn
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From: bwood@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (William Wood)
Subject: Re: Gator bowl/Jacksonville recommendations needed
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:43:00 GMT

In article <HOLTM.92Dec15184035@robin.rtp.dg.com>, holtm@robin.rtp.dg.com (Mark Holt) writes...
> 
>Since I'm Gator Bowl bound this coming 12/30...
> 
>Anybody out there have any recommendations for fun stuff to do,
>good places to stay, places to stay away from?
> 
>I'm mostly looking for live music (rock, jazz, folk, blues,
>alternative), brew-pubs, music stores, that type of thing.
> 
>Thanks,
>- Mark
> 
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<*>  Hi,  
       I saw your posting on Jacksonville.  I've spent many a summer
     there and especially in neighboring St Augustine.  Jacksonville
     has a wonderful waterfront area, which similarly reminds me of
     Baltimore's "Harbor Place".  Here, you will find many nice rest-
     aurants.  As far as music goes, keep in mind that J-ville is the
     home of the famed Lynard Skynard group (some past members are 
     even buried there.  There's even (I guess it's still there) a
     "Lynard Skynard Lounge" near the ocean beach area.

       I noticed that You'll be coming from NC.  If you're driving,
     and have a few extra hours, you may wish to stop by Fernandino
     Beach.  It's befor you get to J-ville.  It's a shrimp town, and
     has great local restaurants, and a very scenic warf where the
     many shrimpboats are docked..(very great for the photographer).

       Don't leave the J-ville area without having tried "Gator Tail!"
     After all, what's going all the way to Jacksonville without get-
     ting alittle tai***   oops.  Well, anyway..., have a great time.


     Best Wishes,
     Bill
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston)
Subject: Re: Heisman jinx?  A few numbers from recent years.
Organization: UMCC
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:37:33 GMT

In article <b9bg030Wc3UN00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>In article <Bz8L4B.Hq3@ais.org> ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston) writes:
>>1983    Mike Rozier(Neb.)           #2    Beat #13 LSU
>
>You're kidding right? You know this was the year Miami beat the Nebs in the 
>Orange Bowl. 
>
Ack.  Another error.  Never try to cross-reference years and bowl 
games (some in dec. of one year, others in jan of the next year).  
Apologies in effect.  Please feel free to correct other errors 
found.  btw, that's another bowl loss for a Heisman winner. 
---
Steve


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From: dmoney@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dean R Money)
Subject: Re: Auburn Denies Sheridan Offer
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:42:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.174842.4204@athena.cs.uga.edu> hamel@athena.cs.uga.edu (Scott Hamel) writes:
>My *guess* is that it has happened something like this:
>
> [His *guess* deleted]
>
>Please.........if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks
>like a duck.......

Don't you love people who give us there account of what *might* have happened
and then treat that account as if it were a fact.  If Scott actually had
a clue, then his analogy would be appropriate.  But until then, he should
keep his ducks to himself.

Actually, Scott's posting wasn't THAT bad, but it just reminded me of how
often someone's opinion ends up being treated as fact on this group.  I
get tired of that.  Sorry.

Dean.
From: cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: How many undisputed heisman trophy winners can you come up with?
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:41:50 GMT
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater

After all of the fuss over Gino (I won because my team is good
not because I am good) the heisman trophy winner.

I began to wonder about how many heisman trophy winners we could
think of that the vast consensus of fans don't have a disput with.
Obviously, we (the fangs) don't have a consensus on Gino (despite 
what the heisman vote was).   

So who are the heisman trophy winners that you can remember where
all of American footballdom said:  "Yeah, he deserves it."
We can except the losing heisman trophy candidate fans from the
equation since they obviously represent a minority.  But, if
the vast majority of college football fans felt like the heisman
went to the right guy, then he deserves to be on the list of     
undisputed heisman trophy winners.

Here is my list (I am only going to back to the winners I can 
remember):

Last one who deserved it (without dispute) and won it:
	1988 	Barry Sanders

After that:

	1981	Marcus Allen
	1977	Earl Cambell
	1976	Tony Dorsett
	1973	John Cappelletti
	1968	O.J. Simpson

That is the first heisman I remember.  Everybody else I can
recall disputes and arguments about whether they really
deserved it.  Plunkett vs. Theisman, Sims vs. Cambell.
Or the arguments similar to the Gino one where the winner
was claimed to win off of a well-organized media blitz
rather than being the best player in college football:
Testeverde, Tim Brown.

I am not saying that any of these players did not deserve
the heisman, I am just looking for the winners that were
considered to be the undisputed BEST college player for 
that year.   (We all have our own definitions for BEST
college player, and I expect you to fill it in to your
choices.)

Let's start a list of UNDISPUTED HEISMAN TROPHY WINNERS:

	[.. fill in your choice here ..]
	[ remember the criterion is    ]
	[ UNDISPUTED not necessarily   ]
	[ deserving.		       ]

Bryan Cooper, cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu
ps. peace
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jeffq@bang.sps.mot.com (Jeff Quinn)
Subject: Re: Places to party in Dallas??
Keywords: Cotton Bowl
Organization: MMTG AMCU, Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:33:34 GMT

In article <17DEC199210452399@sn.jsc.nasa.gov> weyland@sn.jsc.nasa.gov (WEYLAND,MARK) writes:
>I will be attending the Cotton Bowl and would like to know where the best 
>places to go on New Years Eve would be??  West End.. others.. any new *hot 
>spots*?  Thanks in advance from a Houston native (Oilers & Pokes in SB!...
>it could happen).
>
>GIG'EM  AGS!!!
>
>Mark Weyland
>Texas A&M University - Class of '88

Also, will there be a yell practice? If so, then where?

Gig'em -'91 JDQ
From: wessir@shelley.u.washington.edu (bill the cat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Still *more* trouble at the UW?
Date: 13 Dec 92 20:07:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec13.200704.29181
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Dec12.032847.29980@serval.net.wsu.edu> jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
>The evening news reported something about an illegal phone call operation
>that was set up at the UW.  It was reported during the sports segment, but
>they didn't say whether or not it was connected with the football program,
>and I didn't catch the whole story.  Does anyone over there have any more
>details?  Has anyone else even heard of this?  

Everything is connected to the football program!  Anything that happens here
is sure to be connected to a football player, booster, coach, or former
player.  The jennifer wen incident has been reduced to "Wen was blinded in
her right eye by a bottle thrown during a fracas between an unknown number
of Husky football players and Phi Delta Theta members on Sept. 27."

The story does not reflect the facts.  It reminds me of the pre-teen examples
of telling a story to a friend and that story getting passed on and on...
The sad case is that the News media is the last in that chain and what they
report is far from the truth.  

Story of the phone scam is; FBI investigated a telephone scam operating out of 
the Seattle area.  The phone numbers were somehow connected with the UW but
nothing came of the investigation.  Of course this has to be connected with
the football team somehow, everything is.  That's why it's on your evening
news in the sports section.  As if it had anything at all to do with sports.

Steve Emtmann had some choice words concerning the state of things in the
UW football program.  Darn, I don't have those in print.  Anybody have them???
wessir
From: doli@troi.cc.rochester.edu (David Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Gino wins Heisman
Date: 12 Dec 92 21:28:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

What a farce!!!!

-David Oliver (doli@troi.cc rochester.edu)
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From: elsonliu@leland.Stanford.EDU (Liu)
Subject: Re: USC should drop the ND series
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 13:15:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.225241.48667@watson.ibm.com> TJFAN@WATSON.IBM.COM writes:
>... 
>...USC just cannot beat ND, period...
>...we just cannot beat ND...
>...So USC will become weaker and weaker and ND stronger and stronger...
>...Even if USC can beat ND next year or year after, but in the long run,
>        ND is still a much better team...
>...why do we have to keep a better team as a yearly rivalry?...
>...Believe me, I still hope USC [will] beat ND next year at South Bend.
>        But, that'll need a miracle...
>...

Wow.  I have never heard anyone so down on their own team who wasn't
kidding.  What are you, manic depressive?  Anyone (even U$C) can beat
any other team on any given day, U$C will not get weaker and weaker
(still does well in getting players drafted in NFL - the real key to
attracting recruits), ND will not necessarily be the better team in
the long run, and miracles do indeed happen.  Seriously, take a pill
or something - you need help.  Not that I will be rooting for you -
you are U$C after all :-)

.....Elson "still happy about South Bend 1990 and 1992, but still pissed
            by how ND rubbed it in our face in Palo Alto in 1991"...
From: jayakris@translab.its.uci.edu (R. Jayakrishnan)
Subject: Re: RECRUITING: Some Verbal Commitments
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:38:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.154911.12083@Arco.COM> mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan) writes:
>Here are some verbal commitments here in mid-Dec. Remember,
>these are non-binding. These players are tops in their
>position.
>
>                VERBAL COMMITMENTS
>                ==================
>
>PLAYER              POSITION         SCHOOL-COMM
>------              --------         -----------
>John Dutton            QB            Texas
>
>-- 
>Mike Minihan      mminihan@arco.com


  I couldnt find this guy in the list of top QBs that you had posted
  earlier. Any info on him ?  Where he is from, how good he is, what
  size, what kind of QB he is... etc.

  Jay
From: morse@satie.cs.unc.edu (Bryan Morse)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: How many undisputed heisman trophy winners can you come up with?
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:56:06 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <92351.073155LNF@psuvm.psu.edu> LNF@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>The obvious choice:
>
>   The Rocket   1990

Okay, Goober, I need an official ruling on this one.

Something this utterly stupid could only be goober-baiting.  However, it *is* 
from a PennHead (psuvm, no less), so he could be serious.  Such a dilemma.

-- 
Bryan Morse                University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
morse@cs.unc.edu           Department of Computer Science
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: swanson@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Bob Swanson)
Subject: Re: Defunct Bowl Games
Summary: Arrgh!
Organization: Florida State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 02:57:54 GMT

swanson@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Bob Swanson) writes:
>
>Cherry was in New Jersey, I'm pretty sure.  Tangerine turned into the Citrus
>Bowl, it was in Orlando.  There used to be a Cigar Bowl in Tampa.  Seems like
>the Garden State bowl would have been in New Jersey, as well.

Kee-ripes.  Thought from the top, and wrote from the bottom.  Cherry wasn't in
NJ, it was in MI.  And I can't seem to cancel the previous posting.
-- 
Bob Swanson			    Give me a lever long enough, and a place
swanson@loligo.cc.fsu.edu	    to stand, and I will break my lever.

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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: Crown Alabama as National Champions
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:53:44 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article 16146@b11.b11.ingr.com, guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.213345.14696@b11.b11.ingr.com>, jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com (Jeff Kilpatrick) writes:
>|> In article <1992Dec9.151348.14886@mlb.semi.harris.com>, dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head) writes:
>|> |> 
>|> |> Well, then I guess FSU will just have to go undefeated 10 or so years from now
>|> |> because Alabama only gets to the Sugar Bowl about that often.  Sure is a LOOOONG
>|> |> time between high tides!!!
>|> 
>|>   Seems like just a couple of years ago, 3 to be exact, since Bama went to the
>|> Sugar Bowl.  Before '89, they last went in the '79 season when they won their
>|> 11th MNC; 13 years ago.  How long has it been since FSU won the MNC?
>
>    What? I hadn't heard that the 'noles were taking Miami off of their schedule
>in 10 years.  Or maybe after 10 years they'll figure out how to end the regular
>season undefeated.  Maybe.  The last time FSU won the MNC?  The 12th of Never?
>
>--
>Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com  or  ...uunet!ingr!b11!mspe5!guy
>
>


Hey, anyone whose team doesn't play Miami has NO room to talk.  No room.  And
if your team does play Miami, then let's talk about their record against them.
Considering Gino Toretta had only 1 loss as a starter, I know no one else has
done any better against them.  Especially since that one loss was inflicted by
FSU.  At least FSU has the guts to play Miami every year.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: chyang@engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: How many undisputed heisman trophy winners can you come up with?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 17:18:29 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1go51pINN98h@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ching@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason R Heminger) writes:
>	I noticed in the full Heisman trophy winner list that Desmond Howard
>only has the letter E in the "notes" category meaning that he is still active,
>however, I believe he should also have the C designation because he won it
>as a junior.
>  

	Actually, he was a junior only in terms of football eligibility.
He reshirted his freshman year I believe and did graduate from the 
University of Michigan with a degree.  So technically, he is a senior
graduate.

- Chung Yang
 

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: Irish "strong" schedule
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:18:24 GMT

Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett writes:

>| Why is it the obligation of Notre Dame to play Miami?

>Tradition.

You're joking, no?  Traditions take a bit more time to develope.  Tradition is 
to be found in Ntre Dame's series with USC and Michigan (yes, I said Michigan),
Michigan State, Navy and Purdue.  Out of that list, one might argue that 
Michigan does not belong and that Army was excluded.  All of those teams belong
on the list before Miami.  Hell, Air Force has as good a claim to tradition 
with Notre Dame as Miami does.  Twenty-three games may seem like a lot, but 
Miami does not even come close to the most traditional opponent for Notre Dame.

Further, consider the breaking with tradition which occured right after WWII 
whn Notre dame and Army stopped playing one another.  The game had simply 
gotten too ugly and was inviting a perticularly ugly gambling element into the 
game.  The solution was to toss tradition out the window and keep the game in 
perspective.

>Also because Notre Dames students made, sold and wore that stupid
>T-Shirts, that caused the Convict nickname to stick.  Miami has a score to
>settle with ND.

Were those the ones they sold in 1988, 1989 or 1990?  I think Miami has had
ample opportunity to settle the score.  My momento from the 1990 game is a 
T-Shirt which was sold to raise moeny to defray hospital costs for a Notre Dame
student who was injured by a hit and run driver.  Do you suppose the insurance 
companies have a score to settle with Notre Dame too?

     - Pat
-- 
- Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------
- Department of Chemistry ----------- Sometimes I see me as an old manatee ----
- Ohio Wesleyan University ---------- Heading south as the waters grow colder -
- pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ------------------------------------------
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: questions
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:19:42 GMT
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <1glkfgINNl8u@tamsun.tamu.edu>, hung@ee.tamu.edu (Tzu-Chien Hung) writes:
>Can somebody tell me about different passing routes, i.e.,
>crossing routes, etc. You know it's a lot easier to understand 
>running plays, but I just don't know much about passing plays, 
>especially WRs' different routs. I know there are maybe tens of 
>different routes, you can tell me some basic ones.
>Also, how many referees are there in a football game, what are their
>names, positions in field, duties?
>I am sure it will help me understand more about the games.
>
There are lots of different routes, depending on what the defense
gives the offense.  I'll try to describe some of them.

Fly - aka bomb, basic run straight down the field
Post - another deep pattern. run straight then angle towards the
	opposite corner of the endzone.
Out - run straight, then make a 90degree cut towards the closest sideline
Cross - same as Out but cut towards farthest sideline(across the field)
	generally in the middle of the defensive secondary
Hook/curl - aka Button hook, run down the field, and come back towards the
	line of scrimmage.
Screen - several offensive linemen in front of a reciever on a very
	short pass
fade/slant - about a 45degree path from line of scrimmage

Refs:
Umpire -head ref, usually a different colored cap then the rest of
	the officiating crew.  Positioned behind the offensive backfield
Line judges - 2, lined up on the line of scrimage near the sidelines, 
	one on each side.
Back field judges - 2, lined up deeper than the defensive backs near
		each sideline
Field judge - lined up about in the middle of the field just behind
	where the linebackers usually setup.

Duties: to watch for penalties in their areas
--
Scott D. Davis <scott@mccall.com>       The McCall Pattern Company
(uucp: ...!widener!depot!mccall!scott)	615 McCall Road
(800)255-2762, in Kansas (913)776-4041  Manhattan, KS 66502, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell)
Subject: Re: Reflections on Bowl Matchups...
Reply-To: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:14:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.045036.8931@dbsun.uucp>, harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison) writes:
|> 
|> FYI, The University Of Alabama is located in University, AL (which is
|> adjacent to Tuscaloosa).  There are campuses in Birmingham (UAB) and in
|> Huntsville (UAH, my alma mater) but they don't play football (yet).  

    Actually, UAB *does* have a football team now.  Not a very good one though.

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com  or  ...uunet!ingr!b11!mspe5!guy
		  "All I need is a pint a day"

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: witek@b8.b8.ingr.com (Vic Witek)
Subject: Re: Trivia Questions
Summary: SEC Trivia
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:47:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.183125.16409@mlb.semi.harris.com>, dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head) writes:
> In article 1655@b11.b11.ingr.com, jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com (Jeff Kilpatrick) writes:
> >
> >  Three questions:
> >
> >  1.  Today is the 10th anniversary of Coach Bryant's retirement.  We all know he
> >      did not beat Notre Dame, but there is one other team (that he faced more
> >      than one time) he did not beat.  Who?
> 
> 	NO CLUE ON THIS ONE.

        Probably the answer you're looking for is ALABAMA.  Kentucky hasn't
        beaten BAMA since Warren G. Harding was president, not even when
        the Bear was there...
> >  2.  This year the SEC has 12 Schools.  Initially it had 13; 10 of which were
> >      the 'original' before this season's expansion.  Who were the 3 who dropped
> >      out?
> 
> 	GA. TECH, TULANE, AND ????????
> >
> >  3.  Who has the oldest on campus stadium (I don't know the answer)?
> 
> 	AGAIN, NO CLUE.  A GUESS WOULD BE UGA.  IT TAKES AWHILE TO GROW
> 	DECENT HEDGES DOESN'T IT?


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