From: ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Guns & self defense
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:39:13 GMT
Organization: Kaos Laboratories


In article <1992Nov21.022815.18571@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes...
>ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley) writes:

Replying to things that are best left in e-mail..(*sigh*).....



>>	The other thing I'm noticing about a number of the posts here is the 
>>chest thumping. I'm *not* talking about anyone in particular, I don't want to 
>>point any statements out, but I have noticed a lot of the descriptions and 
>>diatribes being posted remind me of adolecent males talking about their dicks 
>>Handguns, rifles, machine guns, all described with loving joy. These are 
> 
>	Now I didn't address this apparent nonsense at first because I 
>assumed maybe that you were talking about some posts you read on a newsgroup 
>other than alt.pagan.  Or perhaps that that you subscribe to a private
>mailing list that sends you joyful, chest thumping articles about machine 
>guns that none of the rest of us get to see.   If those are not the 
>case, then the only other possiblilities left are that:
> 
>	A)  The posts you alluded to exist only in your mind.     

	That would be nice, but untrue.

>or 	B)  These posts do exist, but I happened to miss them, and 
>they were posted so long ago (over a month ago, perhaps), that my 
>newsreader is not able to go back and find them.
> 
>If A) is the case, then you can understand my reluctance to believe
>your strange gunshop story, as you have already established a history of
>telling tall tales.

Oh? I am a storyteller, but you will find I have posted the truth whether it 
please you or not.

> 
>_However_, If B) is the case, then I appologize for responding with
>such a tone, and I would appreciate it if you could let me know the 
>name of the poster who had written the joyful penis-worshiping style 
>of machine gun description that you were refering too.  Perhaps then
>I can find the post in the alt.pagan archive, and I will know that you
>were talking about a real event, rather than a mere fantasy.
> 

If you cannot find the underlying current in these posts Jim, then maybe they 
are older than a month. My site only keeps articles for 3 days, so I'm not much 
help there either as I don't keep copies. I was also reacting to several people 
who are e-mailing me personally and I may have presumed that the copies of 
articles they are sending me are postings to this group when in fact they may 
have come from another. I often miss posts due to the 3 day delete here. Take a 
3 day weekend and you miss a day's worth.
	Anyway, a number of those posts that I have received copies of have 
*very* sexual overtones and I am dealing with these people on my own, thank 
you. 

	A last note to the people who have written to me and are *not* using 
guns as dick-substitutes, thank you, you know who you are and I appreciate your 
maturity and intellect.


>>weapons for killing people we are talking about! Just keep that in mind. It's 
>>starting to sound as bad as my trip to the gunshop where a greasy man fondled 
>>the barrel of a gun he wanted to sell me and talked about how fast it could 
>>"spurt" bullets. Not as "potent" as his gun of course, but it can really 
>>"spew out the lead". Just sick.
> 
>	I think you can understand, knowing that if this statement
>represents no situation I have ever seen or heard of in real life, why I 
>would have an hard time taking somebody on the net's word for it, 
>especialy if it came from someone who had established what could be 
>perceieved as a pattern of unreliablility by making in the same post 
>a pair of claims that I was able to  verify as false.*

Again, I have not made any false claims here. This is a accurate account of my 
trip to the gunstore. It really doesn't matter if you or anybody else believe 
it Jim, it is my experience and affects me alone. I used it only to make a 
point through exaggerated comparison to the posts here. No one here has been 
that bad, (that I have seen myself [see above reply]) though a few of the 
people who have been replying to me personally have come close. Then again, the 
gun people are a lot more civil than the _last_ group to flame me! I got some 
nice *threats* from them (heh-heh-heh)! Such is dweebishness.

>* verified by scanning the current articles on my news-server.   
>Again, if you were refering to articles from last month, then I 
>believe B) may be the case, and I am sorry for my tone.
> 
>Jim Del Vecchio

	It's allright, I'm learning that the nature of the net makes a lot of 
us jump without looking. *All* parties included.


			- Ashley


	"They say the child was mad, but they must be telling lies
	For deep in the forest he saw a God with one eye!" 

						- Sol Invictus
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