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From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: New Puppy - Need Advice!!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:02:06 GMT

In <12710@almond.rl.ac.uk> ines@inf.rl.ac.uk (Ines Day) writes with
entirely too much harshness...

Look, at this point, the person HAS the dog, and is actually asking
questions.  This is considerably better from the person that does not
ask questions.

To the original person: There are FAQ's available from this group, and
they might help you out, if not with your specific questions, then in
general.  Feel free to ask more questions, just ignore the flamage you
get, which does (unfortuately) happen now and then.  Here's how to get
the FAQ's:

The eight parts of the FAQ are all archived at pit-manager.mit.edu
(18.172.1.27) in the directory /pub/usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq.  The
files are: introduction, new, health-care, training, working,
AKC-titles, misc1, and references.  To obtain the files, first try ftp
to pit-manager.mit.edu and look under that directory.  If ftp does not
work from your site, then try the mail server: send email to
mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu with

send usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/introduction
send usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/new
send usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/health-care
send usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/training
send usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/working
send usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/AKC-titles
send usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/misc1
send usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/references

in the body of the message (leave the subject line empty).  If you
don't want all of them, include only the lines of the ones you want.
You do have to repeat the path information for each file.

Good Luck!

--Cindy


--
Cindy Tittle Moore

Terrell's Chocolate Deduction--Hershe (Labrador Retriever)

The rec.pets.dogs FAQ -- all eight parts -- is available via ftp to
pit-manager.mit.edu under pub/usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/*.  There
is a mail server, email me for details.

In loving memory of Betsy: 4-10-92 to 8-19-92...
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: Hunting ability in Labradors
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:17:49 GMT

In article <168507C0F.X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu> X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>In article <2A9BBA3C.4012@ics.uci.edu>
>   tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
> 
>>*gasp*
>>
>>Are we in agreement?
>>
>>Well, with respect to this particular article, it looks like it...
> 
>*** Image of a popular female comedian here ****
>It could happen !
> 
> 
>>How about health certificates as well?  EG, labs would also have the
>>OFA and CERF or Wind-Morgan numbers.
> 
>Certainly.  I just forgot to mention them.
> 
> 
>>>But, since the AKC makes it's money by registering litters and dogs,
>>>I just don't see this happening anytime soon.
>>
>>No, I think that would be the biggest problem.  The breed clubs might
>>go for it, though.  And it sounds to me there are a lot of breeders
>>who try to do this in the first place.  The problem is to get ALL the
>>breeders to do so...
> 
>If the AKC made it a rule (ie.  no registering a litter until both
>sire and dam had met the qualifications), I don't think the breeders
>would have much choice in the matter.
> 
>No the question is:  how do we get the AKC moving on this?

How would one evaluate the sled dogs?  Number of sprint wins for Sibs?  Weight
pulling ability for Sibs or Mals?  Distance/Freight racing wins for Mals?  I am
all for evalutating the dogs doing what they were bred to do, but for some breeds,
this may be a little difficult for some.  I think it is a good idea, but for
some dogs, it may be a bit impractial to implement.

> 
>      ----------------------------------------------
>Chris Barnes            |
>x005cb@tamvm1.tamu.edu  |  Only 7 more days until the start of
>(409) 846-3273 (home)   |           hunting season (in Texas)
>(409) 845-8454 (work)   |

-- 
============================================================
Stephen R. Lee                 | 
OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Humane societies out there?
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ingres Division, ASK Computer Systems.
Date: 2 Sep 92 03:15:23 GMT

In article <BtpHBn.7oD@ora.com>, ellie@ora.com (Ellie Cutler) writes:
> This leaves the true work of tending to all unfortunates to
> places like Angell Memorial and the state/city rescue leagues who,
> bless them, don't turn dogs away because they aren't cute enough.

Well (*blush*) that's us.

The Alameda Animal Shelter is a city shelter.  We take all dogs,
cute or not, puppy or old, released by owner or stray.  We feed them,
walk them, wash them, spend time with them.  More often than not,
we find homes for them.

We couldn't do it without community support.  It would take very
little population growth to wipe out the gains made so far.  Please
spay/neuter your dog.  It's the most important thing you can do
to help.

Next most important: "until there are none, adopt one".
Until there are no more dogs waiting for homes,
please adopt your dog from a shelter.

-- Jon

Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: non-competitive shows (was Re: Show points and the )
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:06:53 GMT

In article <5079.83.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us>
    kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) writes:
 
>Don't laugh, I have seen first hand how this can happen. In some breeds
>the people can get pretty nasty. I have seen them pick up thier arm
>bands and as thier class is anounced turn in the arm band, and stand
>ringside with the dog, breaking the major.
>When my Boston was being shown by a handler(she finished in 4 months)
>She would have finished sooner except for one lady, Every time she saw
>Rod ring side with Sable she would turn in her arm band. Her reasoning
>behind this was that her bitch could not beat mine so why even walk in
>the ring. The problem with this is that it always caused the pts to
>drop, which made it take longer for Sab to finish. Had she just showed
>her dog, Sab would have finished at been out of the way alot faster. The
>woman was stupid!
 
 
See?  This is what I was talking about when I suggested a non-
competitive conformation ring.  It just wouldn't happen.
 
      ----------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |
x005cb@tamvm1.tamu.edu  |  Only 1 more day until the start of
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |           hunting season (in Texas)
(409) 845-8454 (work)   |
From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Newfs and Kids
Date: 28 Aug 92 07:18:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 

TO: abb@unislc.uucp

AB>Yeah, I'd trust a Newf with kids it knows.  I wouldn't necessarily leave
AB>one alone with strange children.  But then, I wouldn't leave ANY dog
AB>alone with strange children.  Kids are just too unpredictable.  However,
AB>except for one very damaged dog, I've never known a Newf I wouldn't
AB>trust with my kid, AFTER dog and child were introduced.  This I can
AB>say about no other breed.

AB>A Newf is basically a placid dog, but they love to play.  It's the
AB>playing that can be a problem, especially with a pup.  Remember,
AB>at eight or nine months of age, a male Newf can still weigh 100
AB>pounds!  There's just no substitute for training.

Since we have been raising dogs for as long as I can remeber I have
always taught my kids how to behave around them. No pulling of ears,
poking of eyes, climing on, etc...(this is from toddler stage). There
for my kids know howw to behave around dogs. When Caleb was little, and
he would get tired, he would curl up on the floor using our GSD as a
pillow. She loved it! She also went from sleeping at the foot of our bed
to sleeping under his crib from the moment we brought him home and would
go nuts if he cried, she cried with him. She would whine and run from
him to me, it was difficult to get to him with this dog trying to
"Help".
Anyway, I have several nieces and nephews that have not idea how to act
around dogs, so when they come over I put all the dogs up. Not for the
protection of the kids, but for the protection of my dogs! My dogs are
great with kids, but not all kids are great with dogs! Wether you are
dealing with a 15lb Boston or a 100+ Newf, the kids can be a danger to
the dog.

I don't have Newfs, although I think they are a beautiful breed. I live
near Houston, Texas and IMHO a large dog with that much coat would be
uncomfortable living in this climate. I tend to stick with the short
haired dogs. Even they have to be let out at 5:30 AM as not to get
overheated in our 90+ weather, they are all in by 7:30AM as by this time
the heat is coming, they prefer the A/C as I do<G>.

Kathleen.Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
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 . OLX 2.1 . MSI - Bringing it all together in '92
                                                                                                            
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: Re: Donating a puppy for auction (was Re: Puppy ID collars)
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 15:11:10 GMT

In article <2SEP92.08515477@wums.wustl.edu> trimpe_b@wums.wustl.edu writes:
>In a previous article, jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) wrote:
>>Someone asks:
>>> How do [people] feel about donating pups to organization
>>> like DU (ducks unlimited) to sell at auction?
>
>>If I've understood the proposition correctly, we're talking
>>about selling a dog to the highest bidder.  Anyone one who
>>has the cash can bid.  No further screening will be performed.
>>Is that correct?
>>If so, I feel like throwing up.
>>-- Jon 
>>Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  
>
>	Okay okay okay- I agree that auctioning off dogs to impulse 
>buyers is a bad idea but isn't this organization one of duck hunters??
>What sort of dog is it?  If it's a (for example) Labrador isn't that
>part of what labradors are all about??  Wouldn't an active duck hunter be 
>likely to know what owning a hunting dog is all about??   Wouldn't the
>dog likely lead a great life retrieving??  Okay so if this dog is a 
>say collie it's probably not that great an idea- but what is the harm
>if this dog is a lab, springer, setter or other type of hunting dog?
>Would you feel differently if someone was auctioning off a dog to
>'Dog Lovers Annonamous' where 'anyone who has the cash can bid'-?
>
Beverly,

If the only members of Ducks Unlimited were active hunters, then I
would agree with you.  However, this is not the case.  My father and
brother both belong and they haven't actively been duck hunting for
years.  They contribute time and money to DU, but that's about it.
And I wouldn't recommend either my brother or father own a dog at this
point in their lives.  My brother is in the Coast Guard, moves every 2
years (now in Alasks), is on-call or at sea for 6 weeks at a time.  My
father travels about two weeks out of every month.  Because I know
that all members of DU and other similar organizations do not actively
hunt, I'm not for the auctioning of puppies.  There are many more
objects that would suit everyone just fine for actioning purposes....

schalene

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline)
Subject: Re: Newfies
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 21:35:45 EDT

In article <4798.83.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us> kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) writes:
>Thank you to everyone who answered my post concerning the temperment of
>Newfoundlands. You certainly confirmed my opinion of the breed. They are
>"Gentle Giants"!! I have no idea where this person on the other board
>got his opinion, but if he posts again, with your permission, I will
>definitly correct his assesment.

My household had a tragedy with a newfoundland puppy that turned on my
four year old son, and bit him on the face, thankfully without serious
injury.  The dog was on high dose steroids for a bizarre autoimmune
problem which the best vets could not clearly diagnose...and this no
doubt affected her disposition.  The breeder took the dog back, but
would not refund our money.

So bad experiences with newfoundlands -- and their breeders --
do indeed occur.  Newfies are very large, very strong animals,
ordinarily very gentle yes.  My advice as a sad exnewfie owner
is -- buy only from an experienced breeder with a well established
reputation.


--
================================================================= 
mark kline                              mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu
suny health science center, syracuse    voice: (315) 422-1050
================ courtesy of syracuse university ================
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: campbell@EE.Stanford.EDU (Martha C. Campbell)
Subject: Help needed w/new puppy and other dog
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 17:04:57 GMT


Hi all:

I really need your help.  My husband and I recently saved a puppy (10
months old) from the pound, he's a german shepard/chow mix (male).  To be a
companion for your 4 year old black lab also male.  Well the first day went
rather well, we walked them together and put both of them together in
the back yard, keeping a close eye on them.  We had absolutely no
problem at all.  The next day we feed them both at the same time
putting the older dog's bowl down first and than the puppy's.  They
eat just fine and everything seemed to be ok,  then out of no where
the lab went for the puppy and cut him on the nose and chin (by the
way both bowls had been picked up and put away when this happened).  I
immediately corrected the lab and put him in the kennel while I
attended to the puppy and cleaned his cuts with hot water.  After a
while we (my husband being home now) we let the lab out with the puppy
again and everything was fine for the rest of the day.  However, this
has be going on for about a week now, and it never happens during
feeding time.  Since I'm usually home by myself when this happens I
correct the lab with a hard slap with the leash on his butt and a firm
no and to the kennel he goes while I attend to the puppy.  I've talked
to a dog trainer and she said I was doing everything correctly and
that its just a matter of time.  There both really nice dogs and I've
grown fond of the puppy, but I'm afraid the neighbors are getting
upset. So I (we) desperately need your help.  My questions are: What
are we doing wrong?  How long can we expect this to go on? Any
suggestions will be greatly appreciated.  You can reply to via email
to: campbell@sierra.stanford.edu.

thanks,
martha
   
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: SHOCK COLLARS (go ahead flame ME!!)
Keywords: shock collars unnecessary
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:19:22 GMT

Amanda,

For the sake of brevity I've not included your "tirade" (your word)
about "shock collars."

Before I begin, I will say that I don't own a "shock collar" nor have
I ever used one.  It is not, however, because I believe, as you
seem to, that they are instruments of torture; it is because I
can't afford one.

"Shock collars," as any other *tools* can be used and can be
misused.  Your first example seems to be an obvious case of the
latter and your other example may or may not be.

Some other tools that can be misused include choke chains, crates,
treats, newspapers, and myriad other things.  Neither the "shock
collar" nor any of these is a substitute for knowledge, undrstanding,
and common sense yet there are, and probably will *always* be,
those who think they are and, so, misuse them.  Your post would
have been more valuable had you concentrated on that rather than
condemning out of hand what, when properly used, can be a valuable
tool in *some* circumstances.

Can you name a single other tool that will allow you to make a
correction (not mete out punishment) at distances from feet to
hundreds of yards?  [Clearly, the maximum distance at which any
such correction should be made is limited by the maximum distance
at which you can be sure that it is appropriate--it should not be
necessary to say that but I'm sure it is.]

In summary, the problem is never in the tool but is in the
intentional or inadvertant misuse of it.


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
From: janicki@gblaut.enet.dec.com (Victoria Janicki)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: non-competitive conformation titles
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:23:18 GMT
Reply-To: janicki@gblaut.enet.dec.com (Victoria Janicki)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Littleton,MA


This has been a very compelling discussion. I wholeheartedly
agree that dogs that are used for breeding should have both fit
the breeding as well as working standard of the breed.

We don't have to invent a new system here. Let's look at Germany.
For German Shepherds, they have a system set up so that dogs must
be breed surveyed and approved for breeding before the pups will
be registered. In order to be approved, the dog must have a working
title (Schutzhund or Herding degree), certified hips, be 2 years old,
and passed an endurance test.

On the day of the Koerung, the dog is examined by a Koermeister, who
is someone with years of experience in the breed. The dog must have
a minimum of a "Good" conformation (In German shows, the dogs are
rated from Excellent to Unsatisfactory) as well as perform a modified
SchI protection test. The dogs are gaited on and off lead, measured,
weighed, and must pass a gun shot test. A dog that can do all it is
most assuredly a good specimen of the breed and of breeding quality
(for German Shepherd).

The key is that in Germany, the registration and evaluation system
is in the hands of the breed club. As long as the AKC is in charge in the
US it will be years of work to get a similar system in the US. So working
dog groups have started their own registries. For example, the United
Schutzhund Clubs of America (USA) have their own registry directly tied
into Germany's SV registry. Other clubs (Rotties, Dobies etc.) are working
on similar registries in the US.

Each breed club can come up with a similar system to assure that sound,
correct dogs will produce the next generation. We do need a system so that
we can grade dog physically without having to put said dog in the very
competitive and expensive show ring for their CH. At a minimum, I believe
every dog used for breeding should have a minimum standard on conformation
(fits the breed standard) and at least one working title (which for
many breeds would be a Companion Dog title). The dog being considered for
breeding should also be free of any hereditary problems (like hip
dysplasia, eye problems, VWD, thyroid etc.).

Ah, for a perfect world.
--
Victoria Janicki
Digital Equipment Corporation
Littleton,MA
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: AS.RAF@forsythe.stanford.edu (Rebecca Fenton)
Subject: Re: dog digs holes
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:03:51 GMT

     We had problems with our dogs digging holes in our yards.  We
tried the water and dunking their noses in it (did not work for
long), and then we decided to fill in the backyard with river rock.
This worked wonderfully.  In fact, in our currect residence, we
are planning on having the dog run filled in with river rock.

     BTW, river rock is smooth, round rock.  We never had any
problems with cut or sore paws.  It does come in different sizes.
(we used the 1" rock), and it actually made picking up after the
dogs easier!  No more muddy paws when it rained, and it was rather
decorative...  And MUCH cheaper than sodding the yard (about
$65/ton).


     Becky - Mom of Harley, Kalien, Surfer Bob & Angel T Cat
From: bunnym@nos850.UUCP (Bunny Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Test
Summary: Please post tests to alt.test
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:41:52 GMT
Organization: US Naval Ordnance Station  Louisville, KY

In article <475@nos850.UUCP>, davel@nos850.UUCP (Dave Lukenbill) writes:
> 
> This is only a test.

Unless test is your dogs name, why don't you try posting to alt.test
next time.
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Naval Ordnance Station  Louisville, KY.
(502) 364-6617
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,rec.pets.cats
From: kjt34420@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kristin J. Thommes)
Subject: Re: dog hates cats
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:25:11 GMT

Well, I couldn't find your  old story post anywhere and for whatever 
reason, I also couldn't request you to send me the story via email
because the letter bounced.  So could you send it to me please??

Thanks.

peregrine@uiuc.edu

--
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Feeding Dogs Veggies and Fruit?
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:38:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: newshost.1992Sep4.193852.21007
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

In article <1992Sep4.163927.1817@sfu.ca> richard@sfu.ca writes:

[stuff deleted]

>
>Our current dogs go *crazy* about vegetables and fruit! They love lettuce,
>cabbage, carrots, onions (yes, onions!), green and red peppers, apples, 

Be careful about the onions.  They can be toxic in dogs (at least that is
my understanding).

[stuff deleted]

>
>- Richard Chycoski
>  richard@sfu.ca

-- 
============================================================
Stephen R. Lee                 | 
OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Requiring a title (was Re: Hunting ability ...)
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:50:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.161749.8259@newshost.lanl.gov>
     srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee) writes:
 
>>Now the question is:  how do we get the AKC moving on this?
>
>How would one evaluate the sled dogs?  Number of sprint wins for Sibs?  Weight
>pulling ability for Sibs or Mals?
 
Beats me.  Ask someone that has one.
 
 
>Stephen R. Lee                 |
>OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
>E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.
                                  ==========================
 
Hmm...I guess that would be you.  So how would YOU evalute a sled dog
(only 1/2 retorical)?
 
      ----------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |
x005cb@tamvm1.tamu.edu  |  Only 5 more days until the start of
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |           hunting season (in Texas)
(409) 845-8454 (work)   |
From: davel@nos850.UUCP (Dave Lukenbill)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Test
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:03:59 GMT
Organization: US Naval Ordnance Station  Louisville, KY


This is only a test.