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From: mahesh@evb.com (B.G. Mahesh)
Subject: How to print a troff file?
Organization: SETT Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:36:24 GMT


I need to print troff files. I downloaded troff2ps,
but the conversion doesn't seem to complete, it just
hangs (troff2ps troff_file.me > troff_file.ps).

Please respond by email.

thanks


-- 

B.G. Mahesh
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.protocols.nfs,comp.mail.sendmail,comp.mail.elm,comp.mail.misc,comp.unix.admin
From: wisner@netcom.com (Bill Wisner)
Subject: Re: SUMMARY: NFS mounting /var/spool/mail && file locking
Organization: Trailing Edge Technologies, Mountain View, CA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:22:23 GMT

barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin) writes:
>The context of the suggestion was that everyone is NFS-mounting
>/usr/spool/mail from the mail host.

Here, everyone mounts /usr/spool/mail from a server that *isn't* the
mail host -- each workstation handles its own mail.

>In that case, why wouldn't it be
>correct for the From: address to be an address that gets delivered to that
>host?

Because the server from which /usr/spool/mail gets mounted doesn't
necessarily know about every user on every workstation.

NIS, you say?  Yes, we use an NIS passwd map -- but our smallest NIS
domain has nine servers, and any given user's mail spool is contained
on precisely one of those servers.

We could start maintaining lists of which users are on which servers
and have servers handle mail rather than individual workstations, but
that would simply add another layer of complexity and difficulty to
our jobs, and our present system works quite well.

w. <wisner@netcom.com> <wisner@EBay.Sun.COM> Gryphon Gang Mountain View CA
I shouldn't even have to mention that I don't speak for Sun.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: weingart@inf.ethz.ch (Tobias Weingartner)
Subject: Need info on ST1239N please.
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: ST1239N
Reply-To: weingart@inf.ethz.ch
Organization: ETH - Switzerland
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:41:25 GMT

Hello all:

I need info on an Seagate ST1239N.
A format.dat entry would be grand.

Also, if you have ever had any trouble
with this type of drive in a 1+ running
4.1.x?

Thanks in advance.

--Toby.
From: matthew@sunpix.East.Sun.COM (Matthew Stier - Sun NC Development Center)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: ID'ing Sun models remotely
Date: 1 Oct 1992 11:05:36 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Research Triangle Park, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: string-beans.east.sun.com

In article <1aebe3INNdpj@early-bird.think.com> barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin) writes:
}In article <1992Sep30.211942.29381@i88.isc.com> mikebo@i88.isc.com (Michael Borowiec) writes:
}>Is there a way to identify the various Sun models within an architecture.
}>For example, I want to be able to tell the difference between and SLC
}>(4/20) and an ELC (4/25) without having to get up and walk over to the
}>machine... Is there a way to do this?
}
}Write a program that calls gethostid(2) and then decodes the idprom.machine
}field using the constants in /usr/include/mon/idprom.h.
}-- 
}Barry Margolin
}System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.
}
}barmar@think.com          {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar

It is easier to do this with a shell script.  I've seen many that run 'hostid'
and use the value returned in a long case statement.  I've even scene several
that parse include files and display the comments.  Here is one.


#!/bin/sh
#
# stype - determine sun system type - by Randy Smith, wsmith@s1.msi.umn.edu
#
(hostid | sed -e 's/^\(.\)\(.\)......$/hosttype \1 \2/' \
	      -e 's/^\([0-9a-fA-F]\)......$/hosttype 0 \1/'; \
sed -e 's/#define[ 	]*MACH_\([A-Za-z0-9]*\)[ 	][ 	]*0x0\([0-9a-fA-F]\).*/machine \1 \2/' \
    -e 'thi' \
    -e 's/#define[ 	]*\([A-Za-z0-9]*\)_ARCH[ 	][ 	]*0x\([0-9a-eA-E]\).*/architecture \1 \2/' \
    -e 'thi' \
    -e d \
    -e ':hi' \
    /usr/include/machine/cpu.h ) | \
awk '	\
$1 == "hosttype" {arch=$2;mach=$3;}			\
$1 == "machine"	{if (mach == $3) {machname=$2}} 	\
$1 == "architecture"	{if (arch == $3) {archname=$2}} \
END {printf "%s/%s\n",archname,machname}		\
' |
sed 'y/ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ/abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz/;s/^sun/Sun-/'



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: yooho@ursula.ic.cmc.ca (Yoo Ho Cho)
Subject: SBUS Developers Kit II and Solaris 2.0
Organization: Canadian Microelectronics Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:26:19 GMT


A question on the SBUS developers kit and Solaris. I saw in a previous 
post that the developer's kit had a wealth of information on writing 
device drivers. From what I heard at a talk on Solaris 2.0, all device 
drivers need to be re-written. Does the developer's kit have up to date info
or will I have to get the Solaris migration kit, or whatever ?

Thanks

Y.H. Cho
From: L.Chung@ee.surrey.ac.uk (L N Chung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: SPARCprinter
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:27:00 GMT
Organization: University of Surrey, Guildford, Surrey, UK. GU2 5XH

Does anybody know whether the SPARCprinter is compatable with any other
system. Can I use it on a PC via a parallel port ? If so, what printer
type should I select.

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From: rodney@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Rodney Campbell)
Subject: Re: adding memory to SPARC II... what needs to be done...
Organization: AOTC - CSSC
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 05:10:18 GMT

roihar@cc4.crl.aecl.ca writes:

>I'm looking for information on adding memory to a SPARCstation 2
>.. does anyone know what I must do? Do I have to inform the kernel
>as to how much memory is available? Is imemtest an adequate diagnostic for
>the installation of new memory. I would RTFM but once again SUN leaves me
>in limbo trying to find what FM!

Assuming you have the right SIMMS (9Bit 80ns I think) you must place them
in the machine in banks of four at a time in certain locations. After you
have added the SIMMS to the machine in the correct locations thats all you
have to do the machine automatically figures out the RAM configuration on
boot. You can watch the boot messages to see if your installation of RAM
was successfull.

    								Rodney...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: ema@netcom.com (Energy Management Assoc)
Subject: NIS Services map problem?
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 21:35:58 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

This is probably in the FAQ and if so, could someone please point me
in the right direction or post the FAQ, however, this is my problem:

In my services file, I have something like:

tcpmux          1/tcp                           # rfc-1078                      
echo            7/tcp                                                           
echo            7/udp                                                           
discard         9/tcp           sink null                                       
discard         9/udp           sink null                                       
systat          11/tcp          users                                           
daytime         13/tcp                                                          
daytime         13/udp  

where there are two entries for echo, discard, daytime, etc.

When I set up NIS, and make the maps, the services map only
contains the first one, like:  (with a ypcat services)

tcpmux          1/tcp                           # rfc-1078                      
echo            7/tcp 
discard         9/tcp           sink null           
systat          11/tcp          users                                           
daytime         13/tcp 

Now, I guess this is due to makedbm making the maps by the name
and chunking duplicates.  Is there a way to fix this?

Any help would be appreciated,
James Morse
Energy Management Associates
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: hue@island.COM (Pond Scum)
Subject: Re: To upgrade (4.1.3) or not to upgrade that i
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:48:13 GMT

limes@ouroborous.eng.sun.com (Greg Limes) writes:
>This is when comparing 4.1.3 (plus "dnlchash" and "segkmap" patches
>from the 4.1.3 CD-ROM) against 4.1.2 (plus the 100757-02 patch).

Will the segkmap patch affect performance on a uniprocessor sun4m (SS10/30)?
or a sun4c?  I'm interested in any problems and patches relating to running
large processes under 4.1.3 (large for me is ~64MB, and yes I realize that
for some of you, 64MB is puny).


-Jonathan		hue@island.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: dshaker@qualix.com (Doug Shaker)
Subject: Re: Sun Fax
Reply-To: dshaker@qualix.com
Organization: QUALiX Group, Inc.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 00:15:51 GMT

In article 97225@bu.edu, jfg@spiderman.bu.edu (John F. Gibbon) writes:
>
>my Sun Sparcstation and use to send faxes.  Can I use any generic
>modem to attach to my SparcStation?  What specific software do
>I need to control it?  What software converts ascii files or
>postscript files to fax compatible files?
>
Most fax modems that I have seen are class 2 fax modems (which are
compatible with Group 3 fax machines).  However, it seems that the
standard for class 2 fax modems was loosely written as software tested
on one type of class 2 modem doesn't always work on another model.
Most commerical fax software for SunOS specifies either an Everex
24/96? modem or a MultiTech fax modem.

Fax modems convert TIFF files to phone line transmissions.  Usually the
TIFF files are created by a postscript interpreter.  The fax software
generally consists of the interpreter, a front end to the interpreter
and a lot of scheduling and network-related software.  I looked at LOTS
of fax software when we were trying to decide what fax software we
would carry at Qualix.  We settled on Replix for a variety of reasons.

If you need more info on Replix, send email to info@qualix.com and someone will
get back to you.



 - Doug Shaker

	voice:	415/572-0200
	fax:	415/572-1300
	email:	dshaker@qualix.com
	mail:	Qualix Group
		1900 S. Norfolk St., #224
		San Mateo, CA 94403
From: c23cjc@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Chris Cleary)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: large groups
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:36:53 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.
Originator: c23cjc@kocrsw18


> I have a need to create a large group (about 1500 - 2000) characters.
> Does anyone know of a method to do this?  The man pages and some
> tests I have done indicate that it can't be done.
> I am running SunOS 4.1.1 and nis.
> Some method to include a group of groups would solve my problem
> (similar to the method used for making a large mail aliases).

What we have done is create multiple group lines.

For example:

largegrp:*:666:user1,user2,user3,user4
largegrp:*:666:user1000,user2000,user3000
largegrp:*:666:user9000,user9999

All of the users listed will be in largegrp.

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Software Technology	  8-322-0639	deaes!c23cjc
Delco Electronics Corporation		Where software can fix anything
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.misc,alt.sys.sun
From: metzler@pablo.physics.lsa.umich.edu (Chris Metzler)
Subject: Seeking FORMAT.DAT entry for Micropolis 1528 Disk
Organization: University of Michigan Department of Physics
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:22:59 GMT

My boss recently purchased two Micropolis 1528 SCSI disk
drives.  Does anyone have format.dat entries for these
suckers?

If not, could someone clarify for me the difference between
"data, alternate, and physical" cylinders?  The admin manual
is no use, and the docs that came with the drives only say
"Cylinders:  2100."

Thanks for the help!

		-- Chris
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: mikebo@i88.isc.com (Michael Borowiec)
Subject: RESULTS: 490 -> 690MP upgrade
Keywords: 690 600MP MP Seagate Wren firmware
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:39:03 GMT

I have recently upgraded a 4/490 with all SCSI disk to a 4/690MP system
with the following configurations:

4/490 (1 x 33Mhz Sun)		4/690MP (4 x 40Mhz Ross)
32MB VME memory			64MB M-Bus memory
3 VME SCSI adapters		3 S-Bus SCSI-2 adapters (1 onboard, 2 SBE's)
1 VME 1MB Prestoserve		1 S-Bus 1MB Prestoserve
1 onboard Intel Ethernet	3 buffered Lance Ethernets (1 onboard, 2 SBE's)

We run all Seagate ST41200N (aka CDC Wren-VII, Imprimis 94601) SCSI drives.
The root drive is on its own SCSI bus w/CD-ROM, QIC-150 and 5GB 8mm Exebyte,
the other two SCSI busses have 4 drives on each. We came up and are still
running on virgin SunOS 4.1.3.

Overall we are very pleased. We knew we would see better SCSI and Ethernet
performance, as well as faster access to memory and more of it. I was
concerned about the MP implementation in an asymmetric OS like SunOS 4.1.x.
We support over sixty diskless clients on this machine and use it heavily
for file service, so there is alot of time spent executing NFS code in the
kernel. Of course, under SunOS 4.1.X, only one processor can be running in
the kernel at a time. I felt there was a real possibility that we might see
a NFS performance slowdown due to the locking scheme. There was no slowdown,
but the NFS performance gain (at least under SunOS 4.1.3) is minimal. For
programs that spend most of their time in user mode, this is one fast box!
We used to see a load average of between 3-5 most of the day, now it's
usually hovering around 1-2 where it belongs. Idle time reported by vmstat
may be misleading, but it's over 90% most of the time.

The only gotcha we experienced was the infamous Wren-VII/OpenBoot problem.
For those unfamiliar with it, there is a bug in older Wren-VII firmware
(0973 and earlier) which causes drive to fail when issued a "spin_up"
command with the "immediate" bit set. Subsequent commands to the drive
fail reporting "internal target error" status. According to Sun, this
behaviour is documented in a Seagate internal Engineering Change Notice
(ECN90.0040.CDB) though Seagate technical support personnel I spoke with
are either unaware of it, or are unwilling to confirm it to end users.
The bug is fixed in firmware revision level 4614. Be warned that the
fix for this problem supplied by both Seagate and Sun works for the SS2
but does NOT work for 600MP systems. I'm still waiting for a NVRAMRC
script that works to enable us to boot from the older drives.
- Mike

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: fchan@swen3 (Francis Chan)
Subject: Request for CD Rewritable Drive Info
Keywords: CD, M-O, Rewritable, Disk Drives
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:50:13 GMT


Hi,

   We're thinking of using a CD rewritable (Magneto-optic) drive as a 
secondary storage unit. Have anyone used these things? We are primarily
running Sparcs using SunOS 4.1.X. We would like some info on:

a) Compatibility:
    what kind of standards are there? Would some other CD rewritable
    drive be able to read the CD diskettes (assuming same capacity)?

b) Reliability:
    Perhaps the cost of the maintenance contract as a fraction of the
    purchase cost might be a good indicator.

c) Noise level:
    Not a big factor... but still worth considering. I know the NeXT
    optical drives sound kind of noisy.

d) Heat problems:
    Are there any heat related problems? Particularly during massive
    writes.

e) Pet peeves: 
    If you got 'em, we'd like to hear them.


Please email responses directly to fchan@swen.uwaterloo.ca. I'll summarize
if there is interest (or enough info). Thanks in advance.

Francis Chan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: mat@unh.edu (Mike Thomas)
Subject: WANTED: PATCH to fix SunOS 4.1.1 > 1gig Disk Problem
Organization: /home/mat/.organization
Distribution: comp
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:14:20 GMT


I have a Maxtor Panther 1.7 gig drive and I have a Sun 3/280 running
SunOS 4.1.1.  I need the PATCH that fixes the OS problem of disks
greater than (about) 1gig.  So far everyone that has replied to my
previous message has only the patch for Sun4's unfortunately!!  (My
thanks go out for their help) Right now my disk is operating fine,
but I'm only using (about) 700meg.

I'm will to pay to get the patch or pay to have some group (maybe
in sun) impliment the fix...

Thanks in advance,
Mike Thomas
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: mills@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Gary Mills)
Subject: Re: Should nice be used on MP's
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 05:04:09 GMT

In <LIMES.92Oct5180111@ouroborous.eng.sun.com> limes@ouroborous.eng.sun.com (Greg Limes) writes:

>I have heard rumors that niceness tends to have larger effects on the
>observed behavior on our MP boxes than otherwise, but have not
>attempted to measure this.

There is a patch (100635-01) that is supposed to fix this.  
-- 
-Gary Mills-         -Networking Group-          -U of M Computer Services-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: mongeau@NMC.ED.RAY.COM (Michael Mongeau)
Subject: Re: Format.dat entry for Micropolis 1598 1.2 G
Organization: Equipment Division, Raytheon Company
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 16:56:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.210318.1744@cs.ucla.edu> ryan@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Ryan R. Ramsey) writes:
>In article <BvnI03.295@news.larc.nasa.gov> jka@windshear.larc.nasa.gov (J. Keith Alston) writes:
>>Help,
>>  I'm looking a format.dat entry for a micropolis 1598 1.2 G drive.
>>  Please Help.
>
>Here you go:
>
>1598-15
>: ctlr = SCSI \
>: ncyl = 1931: acyl = 3: pcyl = 1928: nhead = 15: nsect = 70: \
>: rpm = 3600: bpt = 41664: trks_zone = 15: fmt_time = 4: \
>: atrks = 45: asect = 8
>
>Hope that helps.
>-- 

This cannot be correct since ncyl > pcyl.    pcyl is the number of physical
cylinders, while ncyl is the number of cylinders used for data.  Usually
ncyl + acyl <= pcyl, as is the case with all other entries in format.dat.


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   Mike Mongeau                           Raytheon Equipment Division
   mongeau@nmc.ed.ray.com                                Marlboro, MA
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From: jgrij@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Joey J. Griffin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Xterms on Suns
Summary: Xinitrc file "xhost +"
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:37:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Chevron, La Habra, CA

In article <6956@transfer.stratus.com>, ptanner@crow.eng.stratus.com (Philip Tanner) writes:
> 
> 	I have some xterms on my network which I'm having a bit of a problem 
> with. 
> 
>      olwm Fatal Error: Bad Access attempt to Private Resource.
> 

Phil,

Saw your post, but I could not E-mail to your address:

We have an Xterm, RS6000, and Sparc2.  If I am logged onto the 
RS600 while sitting at the Xterm I can:

$ rlogin sparc2
$ setenv DISPLAY sparc2:0.0
$ xterm &

This opens up a OW window on my X-term.
My guess is that you either do not have your DISPLAY set, or
that you do not have "xhost +" in your .xinitrc file on the Sun.
The "xhost +" allows other machines to access your Sun.  Suns come
with this cute :-) little security feature to prevent unauthorized 
access on various mahines.

my .xinitrc on the Sparc2 follows:


----------- cut here ---------
# .xinitrc - OpenWindows startup script.

if [ -f $HOME/.Xdefaults ]; then
    xrdb $HOME/.Xdefaults		# Load Users X11 resource database
else
    xrdb $OPENWINHOME/lib/Xdefaults	# Load Default X11 resource database
fi

xset +fp /vend/x3270			# set fp to the X3270 directory
xrdb -merge /vend/x3270/X3270.ad	# Load X3270 resource database
#xrdb - merge /usr/local/app-defaults/X3270.ad

$OPENWINHOME/lib/openwin-sys 		# OpenWindows system initialization

# Install function key "F1" as an Open Look "Help" key
# This precludes its use by applications
# If your applications use F1 for anything else, comment out the following line
# Anabela suggested changing the following line
#xmodmap -e 'keysym F1 = Help'
xmodmap -e 'keycode 16 = F11' -e 'keycode 18 = F12'

# SunView binary compatibility is default mode.
[ -z "$NOSUNVIEW" -o "$NOSUNVIEW" -ne 1 ] && eval `svenv -env`

sleep 15 & pid=$!			# OpenLook Window Manager
olwm -syncpid $pid &					
wait $pid				# Pause until olwm inits

# The following should allow me to bypass the Sun security and plot
# from the RS6000 onto my machine.  It also should allow David Kan
# to plot onto his terminal from tethys.
#
xhost +
xrefresh

if [ -x $HOME/.openwin-init ]; then
    $HOME/.openwin-init			# Custom OpenWindows tools
else
    $OPENWINHOME/lib/openwin-init   	# Default OpenWindows tools
fi

wait					# Wait for olwm (key client) to exit
---------------- end cut -------------

Joe Griffin
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From: cobrin.sbd-e@rx.xerox.com (Steve Cobrin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: How to set up selfish NIS Slaves?
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:04:21 GMT
Reply-To: cobrin.sbd-e@rx.xerox.com
Organization: Rank Xerox, Welwyn Garden City, UK

Hi there,

	I want to set up some workstations which use NIS, but only local copies of
the NIS databases. I don't want them to act as servers for anybody else. But I want 
the NIS master to attempt to push maps to these machines as though they were true
slaves, I just don't want them to act as such.

	I tried reading the documentation, but .....

	I first imagined that I just don't want to run ypserv, but I need that in
order to resolve my own NIS calls.
	So next I try and do a "ypset localhost", which in turn means I have to
do a "ypbind -ypsetme" which displays a warning message about being insecure
	meanwhile there seems to be nothing to stop other machines binding on
to me, argghhh
	I tried this months ago, and I gave up then, this time I thought I would ask you guys, any clues?

	-- Steve

	Sun Support

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