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From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: Mexican din-din sans fat...
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:53:17 GMT

On Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:20:52 GMT, brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) said:

Peter> A local Mexican place (Rooh's Cafe Salsa, for the San Jose folx) has
Peter> a low-fat menu, and they substitute boiled beans for the refried
Peter> variety.  I rather like them; you don't really need the lard, and
Peter> it's easy to do them at home.  (I'll do a combination of beans
Peter> in a crockpot and freeze them.)

I just bought a can of Rosarita frijoles refritos ("refried" beans)
that were either nonfat or very low fat.

I take two 15 oz cans of beans (black the last time, pinto the time
before) and dump them, undrained, into a pan.  Then I add a packet of
burrito seasoning mix (Lowry's or Schilling seem to be common brands)
and cook for the recommended time.  The mix seasons and thickens.  If
it doesn't seem quite thick enough, you can stir in a little masa and
cook a little longer.  You want it to be firmer than soupy, but not
absolutely solid.

Then heat up a burrito-sized flour tortilla.  Spread some bean mix
down the center, put on a little salsa and nonfat sour cream
(optional), and sprinkle on a little bit of reduced-fat mild cheddar.

Roll it all up (fold the bottom over and then tuck one side over the
filling and then roll the other side around the whole thing.

There's no fat in the bean mix, about 4-6 grams in the tortilla, none
in the salsa or nonfat sour cream, and you'll have to figure out the
fat in the cheese based on your idea of "a little bit".

This can also be made ahead and nuked for lunch, although I'd leave
out the salsa and sour cream for that.

--
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 10:46:13 EDT
From: Sonja Kueppers <SEK@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Aargh. Wrench thrown in diet.

This morning I went to the dentist.  Before eating breakfast (stupid,
stupid, stupid).  I had teeth filled.  I'm now very hungry, but can't
eat anything until the novocain wears off.

After the novocain wears off, I'm only allowed to eat soft things.
I can't, unfortunately, think of very many soft things I could
buy at a convenience store, fast food restaurant, or diner. (At
least, I can't think of anything I would usually get...)
Well, to be more specific, I can't think of soft things that would
actually be good for me to eat.

Any ideas?

-Sonja
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From: leslie@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Leslie Bishko)
Subject: Re: Always a new issue!
Organization: Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:11:46 GMT

Way to go, Cory!

Keep in mind your own self-image, which is how you managed to be
successful in your weight loss, and not the image that others have
of you!  Your internal strength can't be moved by others.

Spend some time at home looking in the mirror - go out and buy some
new clothes!  Build up that self image - look the way you FEEL.

It seems the compliments make you feel as if others only relate to
you based on your appearance.  What matters is what's INSIDE, not
outside.  However, don't ignore the fact that the two are intricately
connected - it took inner change to bring on the outer change.
So, keep that internal fire going, and let people get to know the new
you before the peer pressure sends you running to food for comfort!

- Leslie
-- 
Leslie Bishko
leslie@cgrg.ohio-state.edu
From: geschwent@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: A True Meal Planning Challenge [Help!]
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:45:01 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

> Here is the new challenge:  up until now I have been eating dinner
> when I get home, having whatever (often a big salad and some lean-type
> frozen entree).  However, my 14 year old daughter returns home this
> week [she has been gone for a month].  This means that throwing a
> frozen dinner in the micro at 9pm just isn't going to cut it.
>
We cook for several nights at a time. We throw chicken breasts in the oven
(or you can nuke them easily)--enough for 1 dinner of roast chicken, 1 dinner
of cold chicken chunked over salad, and at least 1 dinner of chicken fajitas/
burritos. When we make chili, we have chili one night, taco salad another, and
the inevitable chili over spaghetti another. You don't have to do these all
in a row. The stuff freezes, and you can trade off. One thing I don't redo is
fish--I just defrost in the microwave, then broil with Cajun seasoning. It
takes about 10 minutes.  Good luck! 
-- 
P.K.
Geschwent@vax.muskingum.edu
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From: tlh8c@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Thomas Lee Horton)
Subject: Yippeeeee!
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:21:15 GMT

I've lost two more pounds!


Sometimes, little things mean a lot.

   
A friend came to a party I held last Saturday and told me I
looked "way skinny".  (beam)


I still weigh 383.  That's not "way skinny".


But it's getting there!





Ciao!
Tom

From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:17:59 GMT
Subject: Re: Yippeeeee!
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

All right!

Pete Brooks
From: manes@bass.bu.edu (Michelle Manes)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: CHALLENGE--Write in your ideas! Please
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:05:43 GMT
Reply-To: manes@bass.bu.edu (Michelle Manes)
Followup-To: alt.support.diet
Organization: Boston University


OK -- my turn with the veggies because these are what
save me from starvation!  :>  (Really, I eat a lot of
bread too, but while losing weight I ate *tons* of salad
and cooked veggies.)

1.  I love spicy food.  I use salsa as a salad dressing
(either my homemade -- I'll post the recipe soon -- or
out of a jar.  either way it's no fat and just additional
veggies.)

2.  I spoil myself and buy the expensive salad mixes with
all the exotic greens in them.  Costs more than regular lettuce,
but worth it as far as flavor goes.  Warning:  wash the greens
*carefully*.  I've had more than one worm surface from a salad
trying to escape my toxically spicy salsa dressing.  :>

3.  Large variety of veggies in the salad.  Peppers, cukes, onions,
carrots, celery.  Also: fresh cilantro, rosemary, dill, etc.

4.  Kosher salt.  The bigger crystals keep it from wilting the
lettuce.  I never use salad dressing.  I either top it with my
salsa or with some lemon juice or vinegar, kosher salt, and fresh
ground black pepper.

5.  I also love salty food.  (Low blood pressure for some reason
gives me tremendous salt cravings.  It's ok to satisfy them.  My
doctor said so.  If you need to watch your sodium, ignore this
part.)  So I'll make a huge veggie stir fry with *lots* of soy
sauce, garlic, and ginger in the sauce.  Yum!

6.  Steamed veggies never seemed like much without the butter atop
them, but spaghetti sauce works wonders!  Just a touch of homemade
(oh, should I post that recipe too?) nonfat sauce or the "Healthy ___"
kind from a jar or can (low oil, but always some...) atop a mound
of steamed broccoli, cauliflower, carrots, etc....*wonderful*.
(Salsa works here too).

7.  As some others have mentioned, fruits and veggies mix well.
My favorite combos: mandarin oranges on spinach salad, golden
raisins on regular salad.

8.  I always try to use a combination of veggies and at least
one sweet veggie (carrots, tomatoes, etc.) to keep texture and
taste interesting.

Hope this helps!

michelle

--
Michelle Manes		|	"What should I be when I grow up?"
manes@bass.bu.edu	|	"Honest."
			|	-Robert M. Pirsig
From: samari@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Tammy Woodley)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Wow! I can't believe the inspiration here! :)
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:57:40 GMT
Reply-To: samari@watserv.ucr.edu
Distribution: usa



Hey all!  

These posts have given me so much inspiration on my weight loss/getting in
shape program!  Good job to all of you out there who have lost weight! :)

But I have some suggestions (although I'm not an expert!) on some work
out tips!  I've read this in a few places and heard it from a few
good sources.  

If you are trying to lose weight, and stay tone (but not big) then the
best excercise is some sort of aerobics like walking fast, biking or
stairmaster. Not weights!  Weights are only good if you want to get
tone and shapely. :)  Even if you are doing aerobic excercise, pumping
iron can make you gain weight in muscle mass and defeat the whole
purpose!  (I learned that the hard way!)  Also, an interesting
fact, is, althought swimming is a GREAT way to get in shape, it is
not good for losing weight!  As a matter of fact, you could even GAIN
weight if you spend too much of your workouts in the water!  (This I
also learned the hard way, since I spent most of my highschool years
on the swim team yet was always overweight!)

I've been trying to get to my ideal weight ever since I entered my teens 
(I'm 21 now) and I think I finally found the best way to get the weight off!
Well, hopefully...   I still haven't reached my ideal weight, but I've
lost 15 lbs! in 10 weeks!!!! And I don't feel like I'm starving myself or
working out too hard. :)


Well, I do have a question in all of this though...

I was wondering if it is harder to lose weight the closer you get to your
ideal weight?  Cuz now that I need only to get 10 lbs off, but I just can't
get em to go! ARG! :S  Any suggestions?

And again, this group is GREAT!  Good luck to all of you!!! :)

- Tammy


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From: geschwent@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: UGGG! & kudos
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:28:02 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

 
> I know what you are going through with all that going on at work. For
> some reason every day I have to fight the thought of food since
> my office is outside from the kitchen area where some of the people
> here seem to EAT CONSTANTLY!! (deleted stuff...)  So far I have
> held off and not eaten anything anyone has brought in for about 1 year
> now and it has not been easy! Of course I see that they are all gaining
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> weight and I am the only one with clothes that are to big!!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Congratulations, Diane! I think changing your way of thinking is crucial 
here. I try to look at people who are making poor eating choices, and make
a point of telling myself, "Yuck! Who wants to live like that?", and other-
wise telling myself I'm *not* that type of person, and happy not to be.
I also look at in-shape people eating well, and tell myself I'm getting there,
trying to change my body image. I've seconded the other people who  have lost
weight and not had their lives changed exclusively like that. When I was 18 I
lost 100#, and didn't recognize myself until I'd put about 40# back on. 
Literally, I'd look at myself in a mirror and not know that person.

I'd also like to congratulate my diet partner, who has lost 12.5
lbs. in 10 weeks at WW. Way to go!

Good luck and success to everyone.

Patricia 
 
-- 
P.K.
Geschwent@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: tlh8c@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Thomas Lee Horton)
Subject: Food du jour
Summary: Roasted Red Pepper Salad
Keywords: peppers, salad
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:42:50 GMT

My previous post is on roasting red peppers.  For those who may
have skipped it, I will recapitulate it here, and give a recipe
for a delicious ROASTED RED PEPPER SALAD which is mm-mm-yummy.

TO ROAST A BELL PEPPER (red or yellow, preferably, though color is irrelevant)
1.	Place the pepper atop an open flame.
2.	Char the outside of the pepper black.
3.	Remove the pepper and run lukewarm water atop it, rubbing
	to remove the blackened skin.  Remove all the skin possible.

Now, on to the SALAD:

2 roasted bell peppers (of contrasting colors is really pretty)
1 cup shredded red cabbage
1/2 cup shredded carrots
romaine lettuce
lemon wedges
worcestershire sauce
a few ears of baby corn, if desired

Cut the peppers into strips.  Be sure not to use the heart or seeds. 
Place bite size pieces of romaine into two bowls, mound on cabbage
and carrots.  Sprinkle just a bit of worcestershire and lemon juice
on, and then toss on the roasted bell peppers in a nice sunburst on
top.  You can also add the baby corn (or niblet kernels).

This salad is a feast for the eyes and the mouth.  It needs no dressing,
though the DIJON VINAIGRETTE FACTICE (see my previous post) is great
on it.  It is full of so many beautiful colors, tastes and textures!
I like the peppers still to be a bit warm when I add them.

Bon appetit!
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=TOM HORTON-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: scotti@mtl.mit.edu (Gretchen Fuller)
Subject: Re: Aargh. Wrench thrown in diet.
Organization: MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratories
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:36:34 GMT

Hi --

Soup is soft and not necessarily high fat or high
calorie.  Yogurt.  Ummmmm.  A glass of milk.  
Some of the instant hot cereals are low-fat and
low-cal.

Scotti

From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:42:56 GMT
Subject: Re: Book, "Thin So Fast"
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

Dunno if I said it on the net before, but VLCDs without medical supervision
scare the hell out of me.  I lost 185 pounds on one (under medical
supervision), and another 15 the hard way, via a traditional diet.
Still, the 15 pounds was easier on the body than the 185...

I won't get into the gory details of what can go wrong (though HMR's
"sales pitch" covers this at some length; I admire their honesty),
but the medical supervision that I had entailed 3 main items:
  Weekly vital signs/checkover by an MD.
  Biweekly blood test.  Looking for uric acid buildup, among others.
  EKG done every 25 pounds.
This is in addition to a full incoming physical and a similar outgoing
one, with more extensive lab tests.

In my case, I had to start drinking more water, since I was getting uric
acid buildup.  This can turn into gout if not corrected.  Otherwise,
I stayed pretty healthy, though my blood pressure was quite low, and 
I had to be careful not to stand up too quick.  Had to lay off the
hot tub at the spa, too.  :-(

With respect to the quick weight loss.  *Some* of the rapid loss
the first weeks of the diet is real, but a fair amount of it is lost
water.  In my case, I lost water for about the first 8 weeks of the
diet, and slowly rehydrated over the rest of the time.  (I was on the
fast for 6 months.)  My first week's loss was 20 pounds, but 8 of
that was water...

HMR teaches maintenance skill all along.  They realize (as do all the
other fasting outfits) that a VLCD is a good way to lose a lot of
weight, but assuming you can actually lose all the weight you need,
such a fast teaches you nothing about how to keep off the weight.
I still have some residual fasting skills (like how to use a thermos
to keep it cool, and where every bathroom is in the area), but I
would only restart the fast in an emergency.  Far more important are
my maintenance skills; how to eat right (for me), how to get the
(huge) amount of fruits and vegies in that I need, and how to get
the exercise in.  To an extent, my eating habits did not change;
I am a snacker and a volume eater, but I've learned how to balance
exercise and eating, and I've learned to appreciate a huge salad
much more than a medium combination pizza.  [For what it's worth,
our behaviorist allows that most people are good for one fast in
their lifetime.  I know the first two weeks was miserable for me,
and would not want to repeat it.]

Pete Brooks

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: lmc@cs.cornell.edu (Linda Marie Competillo)
Subject: Re: A True Meal Planning Challenge [Help!]
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:23:13 GMT

In article <17gaulINNsb9@gw.home.vix.com> shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD) writes:
>Dear Fellow Diet-watchers,
>
>I have returned to work, more than full-time - I am out the door by
>7am, and usually not home until 8 or 9pm.  I have been packing my own
>lunches, using many of your wonderful suggestions.
>
>Here is the new challenge:  up until now I have been eating dinner
>when I get home, having whatever (often a big salad and some lean-type
>frozen entree).  However, my 14 year old daughter returns home this
>week [she has been gone for a month].  This means that throwing a
>frozen dinner in the micro at 9pm just isn't going to cut it.
>
>I am wracking my brains trying to think of ways to work with this
>situation.  It is compounded by the fact that when she is home alone
>(every evening) we both agree it best if she does not use the stove
>and ovens, as they are old, and tempermental.  So in terms of heat,
>she is limited to the microwave.  She is more than willing to make
>dinner, at least a few days a week.  I am willing to do what I can,
>but our time is limited...obviously making a dinner the night before
>is out, because as it is I have not enough time to do what I need to
>do between the time I get home and the time I have to get to bed.  I
>have some limited time on the weekends, but not, I think, enough to
>make  week's worth of meals at once.
>
>Now factor in the desire to keep meals low-fat and nutritious, and
>appealing to a 14 year old girl.
>
>ANY ideas??
>
>[Told you this was a challenge! :-X :-)]
>

Hi Anne!

Welcome back! I've missed seeing your posts, as well as Tom Horton (where are
you, Tom?) Anyway, if I were you, I'd "go Italian". You can make sauce in a 
crockpot while you sleep at night, then the next morning, just take out most
of the sauce and refrigerate/freeze in smaller containers. I usually buy a 
small, lean rump roast and cook that all day and then eat it at night with
some pasta on the side. YOu can also make the pasta up ahead with a small 
amount of sauce on it in the 'frig. and then just nuke it when you want to eat
it, with more sauce. I have also done the same crockpot thing with chicken.
another appealing idea for your daughter would be low-fat, low-cal pizza that
she could just heat up in the microwave. A large Tupperware fix-n-mix bowl in
the 'frig, filled mwith fruit salad or tossed salad is yet another of my 
mainstays. I also make meatloaf up ahead of time, made with venison or turkey
burger and then I use oatmeal for the filler instead of bread crumbs and 
barbecue sauce in place of ketchup. Hope this helps!

Linda
From: red_trek@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: fat free, 40 calorie hot dogs
Date: 29 Aug 92 18:27:45 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

Like hot dogs?

I recently found some that have *no* fat, *no* cholestrol, and
have only 40 calories each.  They're kind of bland by themselves,
but work pretty well once you add sauerkraut and other toppings.

These are "Smart Dogs" from "Lightlife".

Smart Dogs also happen to be vegan for those who're interested
(vegan = free of all animal products, including meat, eggs and dairies).

I found these at my local branch of Fresh Fields (a chain natural food
store).  I don't know if regular grocery stores would carry them.

For those who're interested:

Lightlife Foods, Inc.
PO BOx 870
Greenfield, MA 01302
United States of America
Toll free (800)274-6001
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Broccoli pasta
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 04:02:49 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

1 bunch broccoli trimmed to "florets", cleaned and steamed
3 cups cooked pasta ( I used whole wheat)
1 cup non-fat yogurt
3/4 cup. grated non fat mozzarella
1 tsp dill weed
2 tsp guldens mustard 

salt and pepper to taste

Mix and enjoy. Hot or cold.

rf
From: veklerov@spindle.ee.lbl.gov (eugene veklerov)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Potatoes
Date: 2 Sep 1992 21:35:31 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Distribution: alt
Reply-To: veklerov@spindle.ee.lbl.gov (eugene veklerov)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.112.82

In article <25960@dog.ee.lbl.gov> sebhis@dante.lbl.gov (Sarah Bretz) writes:
>
> When I overcook them (this happens with small ones) they get sort
> of wrinkled and hard in some places.  It sounds like you might be
> overcooking them..

I have found that wrinkled and soft potatoes [so it does have an 'e'
as our Vice Pres said] taste pretty good.  After a while, they become
hard, because they lose moisture.  That gives them a different taste
that you may like too.

Eugene Veklerov
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: organics
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 02:33:07 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

A few thoughts....

If you have never tried organic fruits and veggies, you might be
surprised how much more flavorful they are! I used to avoid the
organically grown produce because of the cost, however, today I don't
usually eat much other produce!

Organic products are generally far more flavorful than regular because
they are usually grown in smaller lots and allowed to ripen naturally.

We got some peaches this weekend that were so sweet and juicy, they
reminded me of eating them out of my grandmother's tree as a child!
Also we got tomatoes that really tasted like full flavored tomatoes
out of the garden! Fresh organic produce is the next best thing to
growing your own!! If you have never tried it, try some of the fresh
seasonal fruit! I bet you will find it very satisfying!


You all know my mom had a stroke two months ago. She is much better
now and will be released in about 3 more weeks. SHe is still
paralyzed, but she did live and she will be able to return to her job
( although in a wheel chair). Sometimes health cannot ever be fully
recovered. Eat well, excercise regularly and be good to you!


rf
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