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From: ines@inf.rl.ac.uk (Ines Day)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: New Puppy - Need Advice!!
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:13:42 GMT
Organization: Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Informatics Department, U.K.

In article <1992Aug26.224604.13772@gateway.ssf-sys.DHL.COM> cmoussav@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Carla Moussavi) writes:

>  I just got a puppy, 12 weeks old, female, shepard/lab mix. My husband
> and I work all day, and I need advice about the following things:

The best you can do is give the puppy to someone who can look after it all 
day, at least until it has got to know people, and knows what odd 
creatures they are!
People like you should not be allowed to have a dog!  

>1. Is it necessary to get another puppy to keep her from being lonely?
>
No, it needs PEOPLE, unless you want it to revert to being a pack animal!
I pity this puppy.  It will probably end up by being left out on 
the highway by you in the end, because you cannot understand why it has 
turned into a nasty dog, unable to relate to humans. 

The least you can do for it, get a couple of decent books about dogs.  
But you run the danger of being too ashamed to own this puppy without 
knowing the first thing about dogs.

>   If not, what can I do to keep her happy during the day? She's outside
>   during the day - any good toys I should buy her?

Toys do not make up for PEOPLE, not for a baby, not for a dog!

>
>2. How can I train her to go to the bathroom in a specific area of the
>  backyard? 

NOT by telepathy!!
And, by the way, dogs do not "go to the bathroom"!
-- 
Ines Day                        JANET: ines@uk.ac.rl.inf
Informatics Department          ARPA:  ines%inf.rl.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
Rutherford Appleton Laboratory  
Chilton, Didcot, Oxon.          Tel: 0235-821900 ext 6190
OX11 0QX, UK
From: williamsk@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Desperately seeking a major)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Regarding My New Puppy and Some Nasty Articles
Date: 4 Sep 92 07:14:58 EST

In article <1992Sep03.163009.29664@gateway.ssf-sys.DHL.COM>, cmoussav@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Carla Moussavi) writes:
> 
> Hi,
>   For anyone who has "flamed" me for owning my puppy, I'm not about to
> apologize for owning my puppy! I am certainly not going to get rid of
> her! I get up extra early to play with her, my husband goes home everyday
> at lunch to see her, and she has LOTS of attention and exercise when we 
> get home at night!  Your remarks are useless, mean-spirited and irrational.
>   Before getting my puppy I talked with many people, including her  
> veterinarian as to whether or not it was a problem regarding us both working.
> I was assured that we could raise a happy, well-adjusted dog even though
> we work, and our puppy IS happy and well-adjusted. 

Of course it is possible to raise a happy, well-adjusted dog even though 
a person isn't home for that dog the whole day!  Goodness, my husband and 
I do that, and I think we have one of the most unusual schedules in the world,
but our dogs are very well-adjusted, love people and probably get more
attention than many dogs who have people home with them all day.  

Kim
From: young@alw.nih.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs and Jogging
Date: 2 Sep 1992 08:14:51 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Sep1.231448.3677@newshost.lanl.gov> you write:
|> In article <1992Sep1.131115.26377@fns-nc1.fns.com> vib@fns-nc1.fns.com (Victor Bur) writes:
|> 
|> [stuff deleted]
|> 
|> >
|> >My opinion: if you are experienced jogger/runner, NO dog is suitable for
|> >you.  By "design", canines can deliver high speed for a short distance
|> >(during the pray chaise, for example), but they are not built for a long,
|> >steady running.  If you want to do that, watch for the damage you may
|> >inflict on dog's hips, and also have an emergency kit ready for injuries
|> >and/or overheating.
|> >
|> >Best regards,
|> >Victor
|> >
|> 
|> I would not say that NO dog is designed for running.  Many dogs lope for
|> many miles just fine.  You may have to adjust your normal jogging stride so 
|> that they can "lope", but it is certainly doable (with some breeds).  Distance 
|> mushing dogs (like those in the Iditarod) can lope for hundreds of miles (note
|> that lopping and running are not the same).
|> 

I've been running with a dog for 5 years now.  The key to running with
a dog is to find a course which provides water and seclusion so that the
dog can be let off leash. I am suprised by the endurance and stamina
of my dogs.  I wouldn't have taken them out on a 20-miler, we run a 
five mile course each day.  Three of the five miles follows a river and
four of the five is through a wooded area where the dog may run free.
I take extra precautions in the heat (I wet the dog down before and after
with a garden hose) and try to run in the early or late hours.  

The dogs I believe are suited for this purpose:

In order,

Sight hounds (greyhounds, borzoi, saluki, afghan,
	any of the tall-slender racing types), 
Sporting breeds (pointers first, setters, trackers, retrievers last),
Working breeds (carry more weight, some are less suited to the heat),

I wouldn't recommend,
Long hair for hot climates or thick forests, or ticks.
Toy breeds, anything under 15" (you'd be suprised
at the stamina of a beagle).
Large, heavy dogs for long distance (5 mi. +)

I once went out for a run while a friend was visiting.  He decided 
to come with us on a bicycle.  We were just about to enter the woods
from a steep hill.  My friend let the bicycle move quickly to the
bottom of the hill and as he reached the bottom my dog came blazing 
past.  He damn near fell off of the bicycle.  

Dogs are equipped for amazing bursts of speed, watch them closely though
because they will run to keep up with you even when exhausted.
-- 
___________	
	jy
	young@heart.dcrt.nih.gov
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Wind-Morgan Certification
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:15:11 GMT

In <1402@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson) writes:

>The nice thing about W-M, in my opinion, is that they're
>>an open registry, whereax OFA is closed.

>What do you mean by "closed" versus "open"?

You can review the Wind-Morgan registry without numbers.  With OFA,
you must have a particular number to look anything up.  The open
registry really aids in pedigree research.  The main limitation, of
course, is that it is still a new program and not all labs are
registered with it.

>>Wind Morgan sets up clinics in other areas of the country if enough
>>people request it.  There is a retriever club out in Albuquerque that
>>is setting up one such clinic in a few months, there are probably
>>others.

>I would be very interested in obtaining more information about this
>registration/certification program for possible inclusion in a
>Newfoundland magazine I edit. A phone number or address to write for
>a brochure would be much appreciated.

Here's the information I have:

You should call the small animal clinic at UC Davis.  The number is
916-752-1393.  Ask for Dr. Autumn Davidson and she'll be able to give
you the information you need.

Just in case it wasn't clear, the Wind-Morgan program is for
Labradors, but it's run in conjunction with another program (the GDC),
which does all breeds - I think they've been getting a lot of
participation from breeds like Rottweilers, Berners, and Saints.

--Cindy

--
Cindy Tittle Moore

Terrell's Chocolate Deduction--Hershe (Labrador Retriever)

The rec.pets.dogs FAQ -- all eight parts -- is available via ftp to
pit-manager.mit.edu under pub/usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/*.  There
is a mail server, email me for details.

In loving memory of Betsy: 4-10-92 to 8-19-92...
From: clr60@ccc.amdahl.com (Catherine L Reck)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Dog CArt For Sale
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:23:54 GMT
Reply-To: clr60@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Catherine L Reck)
Distribution: ua
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


For Sale:

Tundra Falcon Trainer Dog Cart

This dog cart meets or exceeds all ISDRA requirements for dog carts. It has
adjustable brakes with brake locks, heavy duty grips on the handlebars. The
cart is 40" wide by 72" long by 50" high. The wheels are 14 1/2" by 4 1/2" O.D.
with 2 ply rating traction tread. The 5/8" precision ball bearings are sealed.
The cart is red with a black platform for the driver to stand on. The cart
weighs 170 pounds.

Asking $500.00

The reason we are selling the cart is we recently purchased a Sacco dog cart.
The Sacco dog cart is lighter, easier to transport, and you steer the dogs.
It is excellent for training leaders. (See Jeff King's article in the lasest
Mushing Magazine.) Because you steer the dogs it is easier to use in our
suburban area.

The Tundra Falcon Trainer Dog Cart is in Sunnyvale, California. If you are
interested please give me a call. It would probably be easier for you to
pick the cart up, rather than to ship it.

Catherine Reck (408) 733 7919
Siber Kahn Kennel - the kennel kids, Yuri and Khiva
Khiva Working Dog Outfillers - Dog carts, sleds, harnesses, backpacks etc.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: Re: T.O.U.C.H. brag and question
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 16:15:27 GMT

In article <26AUG92.14334584@wums.wustl.edu> trimpe_b@wums.wustl.edu writes:
>
>Hello doggie lovers- I just wanted to say that Buster (a yel lab) and I 
>have just completed our 13 weeks of obedience for the TOUCH (therapy
>of unique canine helpers) program.  This is the program for hospital-
>nursing home visitations.  I hope its as rewarding as I anticipate.
>Are there any other TOUCH grads -or similar program out there?  I'm
>curious to know the variations,if any, and what some of your experiences
>are.  During class we heard a few heart wrenching stories where the 
>'dogs' brought about some 'miraculous' changes in patients.
>Bev
>
Bev,

Congratulations!  I'm sorry that I don't have any experiences to
share, but, instead, a question.  How can I find out about TOUCH?
We'd like to do this with our dogs.  

schalene


Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: abb@unislc.uucp (Anne Beck)
Subject: Newfs and Kids
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:58:08 GMT

One possible problem with Newfs and kids:  if the dog isn't trained,
it can knock down children just because it's big and exhuberant.
This leads some parents to think the dog is unsuited to small kids.

I think we have to be a bit careful with the "Nana" image.  Too many
people think that Newfies come trained from the womb.  Let's face it:
anything that weighs 150 pounds and doesn't know the meaning of "sit" is 
going to be a problem!  I'm looking at this from the prospective of
someone who's had to rescue Newfs who were left to "run wild" and were
then "discarded" because they were "bad" with the kids!  Those of us
who love Newfs know they have to be trained; we also know that their
wonderful temperments make them amenable to training.  We forget
there are people out there who, through ignorance, think that Newfs
are automatically wonderful and well behaved.  They can, and do, 
sometimes throw their weight around.  They can be a bit pushy.  They
are wonderfully inventive about getting their own way, especially if
food's involved.  They can be stubborn.

All of these things don't negate the basic temperment of the breed,
but you have to use some common sense when dealing with a HUGE dog.
Also, there are Newfs who are just plain afraid of kids because
they don't see them often enough.  So socialization plays a part in it.  

So when I meet new children, I give them "newf" lessons: how to approach
the dog, pet the dog, etc.  Yes, my Newf will lie down and let kids
glom all over her, but she's really "putting up with it."  What she
REALLY likes to do is play tag and romp and jump.  This scares kids
under about the age of 5!  They can think she's attacking.  So they
scream, throw their hands up, and Newfie thinks this is great fun, and
JUMPS.  Down goes the kid!  Then dog gives kisses, and kid screams
because those great big teeth are close to the face, and Mom and Dad
have always said that dogs are mean and bite.  You can see the
progression here, can't you?  

Yeah, I'd trust a Newf with kids it knows.  I wouldn't necessarily leave
one alone with strange children.  But then, I wouldn't leave ANY dog
alone with strange children.  Kids are just too unpredictable.  However,
except for one very damaged dog, I've never known a Newf I wouldn't
trust with my kid, AFTER dog and child were introduced.  This I can
say about no other breed.

A Newf is basically a placid dog, but they love to play.  It's the
playing that can be a problem, especially with a pup.  Remember,
at eight or nine months of age, a male Newf can still weigh 100 
pounds!  There's just no substitute for training.
-- 
   Anne Beck			| The difference between difficult
   abb@unislc  sun!unislc!abb   | dogs & vicious human beings is
   Unisys  SLC UT               | that difficult dogs don't rise to 
			        | prominent positions in the community.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Re: Question for "guard" type dog owners
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 01:40:58 GMT


This is a really good question.  And I expect a religious war between
people like me who thought it was important to socialize my dog to a couple
of people who would have access to my house in my absence, and to other
owners of "guard-type" dogs who believe very strongly in the "one master"
deal.  And there are other types of things to consider, too, especially
if you live alone--information about your dog on the back of your driver's
license and *who can handle the dog*.  No cop in his right mind would come
into this apartment with my Akita here.  Many will not even approach her
when I'm with her (except the Rottweiler owners :-).

So there are three people I know for a fact my dog will let in the house in
my absence.  One of them was her private trainer.  I am fairly certain she
would not let anyone else in--if a stranger approaches the door, she barks
bloody murder.

On the other hand, I have a friend who has an Akita who won't even let me
near his *car* if my friend isn't there.  I could be fairly certain Freddie
wouldn't let me in the house, either.  It's not unusual for an Akita to
behave this way toward people it knows, or even knows well.  I don't think
anything can be done to overcome this.  If something happened to my friend
and I had to get into his apartment, I'd call Animal Control to go with
me.

As for boarding--my dog was boarded for three days at a local kennel when
she was young and as it happens she's also now being groomed there.
Everyone there knows my dog well (and they love her) and I know she'd get
star treatment if I had to board her again.  When I left for three weeks,
though, I boarded her with her trainer because I didn't want her to be
feral by the time I got back.  So developing a relationship with a boarding
kennel or someone who can take your dog in might not be the worst idea you
ever had.

You never know what can happen.  I personally think that as many good
relationships that you and your dog can develop with other "dog people"
could come in handy, especially in an emergency.  I also happen to have a
relationship with the San Francisco SPCA that I could call on if I needed
to.
From: jerry@marin.uucp (Jerry C. Hudgins)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Garlic (Was: S**t eating dog)
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:29:14 GMT
Organization: Private Use
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1352@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson) writes:
> I just can't resist, one more time, in debunking this myth.
> Garlic, whether ingested, applied, sniffed or prayed to, will have ABSOLUTELY
> NO effect on fleas residing on your dog or you. (Canine mythology and false
> advertising claims notwithstanding)...... This not only my humble opinion,
> but substantiated by veterinary research findings.
> 
> This myth is in the same category as garlic repelling vampires and the Black
> Plague: you wear garlic around your neck; do not get killed by a vampire or
> the plague; ergo, the GARLIC DID IT!
> 
> OK. Enough loud lecturing.

The reason this 'myth' persists is that, for some folks, it seems to work.
It does work on my two German Shepherds.  I was skeptical before I tried it,
and I can't explain why it works, but it does;  I'm not arrogant enough to
ignore what I see because I cannot explain it.  Your mileage may vary.

-- 
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Jerry C. Hudgins                   Internet: jerry%marin.uucp@seq.uncwil.edu
125 Cherokee Trail                 UUCP    : uunet!marin!jerry
Wilmington, NC 28409-3407 (USA)    Voice   : (919) 392-2358
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: rasmussenc@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu
Subject: Re: feeding times (was: New Puppy - Need Advice!!)
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:11:24 GMT

In article <f9Iw02OI1f=Y01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons) writes:
>From: bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons)
>Subject: Re: feeding times (was: New Puppy - Need Advice!!)
>Date: 31 Aug 92 00:44:33 GMT

I would think the a very good reason for not free-feeding is to help 
with housebreaking.  (.i.e.; it's impossible to let the pup out after he's 
just eaten if he eats all day long.....)

-Chris R
From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Humane societies out there?
Date: 30 Aug 92 14:18:46 GMT
	<BtLHr4.J59@well.sf.ca.us> <BtpHBn.7oD@ora.com>
Reply-To: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
Organization: gators 'r us
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992

In <BtpHBn.7oD@ora.com>, Ellie Cutler writes:

>That's right.  There is a no-kill shelter on Boston's North Shore that
>really bugs me because they advertise it so self-righteously - "We
>would *never* put any of our animals down" - when the only reason they
>can do that is because *they screen the dogs they take*, and will only
>accept dogs they think are high on the adoptability scale.  What a
>copout!  This leaves the true work of tending to all unfortunates to
>places like Angell Memorial and the state/city rescue leagues who,
>bless them, don't turn dogs away because they aren't cute enough.

i visited this shelter once.  among other things, they won't take a cat over 3
years old, and they won't take any black dogs, "because they are too common",
or any brindle dogs "because no one will take a brindle beacuse they're ugly"
they didn't believe me when i said brindle is my favorite dog color.
-- 
-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
From: locke@4ccvw54.scg.hac.com (Anne Locke)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: info wanted on Rhodesian Ridgebacks-please do not Email
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:43:21 GMT
Reply-To: locke@caesi.scg.hac.com (Anne Locke)
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

In article <1992Aug31.231439.5231@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan) writes:
>Would live to hear from any Rhodesian Ridgeback owners about their
>dogs. (Please post to Bboard, and not E-mail as it is my husbands
>account)
>
>My requirements are a larger, short-haired dog (often over 100
>degrees here in the summer), that will provide the appearence of
>protection.  I also need a dog that is good with small children
>I hope to take it jogging with me, and hopefully out riding with the
>horse.

> (some stuff deleted...)

>So, any info posted to the bboard would be appreciated
>
>Karen

Hi Karen,

My husband and I have 2 dogs - 1 Golden Retriever (Whiskey - 10+ years old)
and a female Ridgeback (Rio - just turned 1 year old).  We couldn't be
happier with our Ridgeback.  I gathered information about the breed from
people on the net (there are several *very* knowledgeable people on the
net and I'm sure they'll reply to your post also).  I also wrote the
secretary of the National Club (RRCUS - Rhod. Ridgeback Club of the U.S.)
and she sent me some good information in the mail.  I'll post the name and
address at the end of this posting for you.

Golden Retrievers are great dogs too, but we also wanted a shorter haired
dog.  Rio is very intelligent and has not yet displayed any signs of
aggression, although the breeder assures me that "when the chips are down"
these dogs are *very* protective.  Be sure to find a good, responsible
breeder who pays attention to temperament.

I don't know how they are around horses, but I would love to find out
because I intend to have a horse also one day.  If Rio gets her championship
points and title and she has a litter of pups, we're definitely getting
another Ridgeback!

We're sold!

Here's the RRCUS info:

Bonnie Louden, RRCUS Corresponding Secretary
Box 1121
Columbia, MD  21044
301 799-1273

Let us know if you get one,
Anne.

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|  Hughes Aircraft Company / Space and Communications Group |
|  Computer Aided Engineering and System Integration        |
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From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Hunting ability in Labradors
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:51:21 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

OOPS!

In article <IeaJZXe00iUyM6bXY3@andrew.cmu.edu> "Joanne M. Karohl" <jk13+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
= Charlie Sorsby writes:
= 
= >................*If* both parents were birdy but produced a non-
= >birdy pup, then we must assume that birdiness is recessive rather
				    __/^^^^^^^^^
Of course that *should* have said *non*birdiness--sorry 'bout
that...

= >than dominant.  [Aside:  Birdiness, as many other desirable traits
= >is almost certainly polygenic so it isn't quite this simple but the
= >essence is here.]
= 
= Actually, if birdiness were passed down in a simple Mendelian fashion,
= the fact that birdy parents can have non-birdy offspring indicates that
= birdiness is in fact *dominant*.  If it were recessive, both parents
= must be "homozygous" for the trait, that is both copies of the

Yes.  I think what I said later was correct.  Sorry about letting
my fingers do the thinking in the earlier passage above.  What I
was trying to say was that, if simple Mendelian genetics applied
(which it almost certainly does not), and *if* nonbirdiness were
recessive,  then a *non* birdy dog could *not* pass on the birdy
gene and, so, should not be bred *from the viewpoint of birdiness*.
But as Joanne points out later, a nonbirdy dog who is superior in
other respects may be worth combining with a birdy dog deficient in
those respects.  Better, of course, is pair of dogs that is
superior in all respects but this is the real world and things are
rarely simple enough that we can depend on *that*.  :)

Sorry for the typo and for not making myself clear.

[...]
= The rest of the analysis given is pretty accurate;  I think that Charlie
= mis-typed when he identified birdiness as recessive in his example.  The

Yep!  Thanks for the clarification.

[...]
= may be all very obvious to all of you, but I just wanted to point out
= that if the goal is to breed the best dog in multiple areas, rather than
= breeding for just one characteristic, you are not always going to want

Which well we should!

= to cull every non-birdy dog.  It's a multidimensional problem, as
= several people have pointed out already.

Yes!

Thanks, Joanne, for your excellent post.


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov