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From: johnc@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (John Cooley)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Snow in Colorado!
Summary: True
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:57:00 GMT
Followup-To: rec.skiing
Distribution: na
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <Bvq45F.Ct0@solbourne.com> gerber@solbourne.com (Andrew Gerber) 
writes:

>>Vermont may have beaten us this year, but the snow is starting to fall
>>in Colorado's high country.  A friend in Montezuma (outside of
>>Keystone) said it was snowing yesterday afternoon about 4:30PM

>It has been pointed out to me that Colorado had snow in August; let me
>rephrase the above as "Killington may have beaten us this year", as no
>lifts are running in Colorado yet.

>It snows every month (even July) in Montezuma, CO; at 10,600 feet a
>cold rain will turn into snow. My point was, I guess, that the real
>winter storms are starting in the Colorado mounatins; it's the snow
>from these storms that will form the base for the 92-93 ski season.

Unlike the August snows, this _might_ be the real thing, with some permanance.

Snow report, 10/7/92:
Elevation: 7,000 feet
Location:  Foothills, NW of Fort Collins, CO
Time:      7 a.m., Mountain Daylight Time
Temperature:  24 degrees F
Base:      None
New:       1 inch (2.5 cm)
Weather:   Mostly cloudy, snow flurries

What a beautiful morning!

           John Cooley
From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:06:25 GMT
Subject: Re: MPG & Re: roof racks ?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> His surf is that area where the waves hit the shore. ;^)
> That's surf fishing.  Very common in CA as well.

Bummer. I thought it was a new sport Californian came up with.
Like trying to catch surfers, or riding a surf board with a harpoon... :-)

bruno.

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: dennisp@kpc.com (Dennis Preston)
Subject: Re: Peopl who looklike skiers but aren't was My first experience with a Texas Skiier
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc, Santa Clara, CA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:55:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.182300.26410@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>In article <14980@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM
>(John Fereira) writes:
>>>Gee, I recall this one woman in Sun Valley once, yuck.  Just stood around
>>>all day, paid for a lift ticket and everything.  Helped Idaho's economy
>>>at least.
>
>>They couldn't have spent *all* their time standing then I guess.
>
>All day long she stood there.  Walking, kibitzing, etc.
>And it was that day's ticket.

She was probably my ex-wife, the world's worst *California* skier!

-Dennis
From: chrisf@brtph316.bnr.ca (Chris Fulmer)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing areas around Pittsburgh
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:50:57 GMT
Reply-To: woodstock!chris@mcnc.org
Organization: BNR Dept 3B91, RTP

Hey Derek.  Being a CMU Alum, I think I can answer that
question....

Yes.  There are skiing areas around Pittsburgh:

Seven Springs  --  Probably the best locally.  It's
                   at the Donegal exit off the Turnpike.
                   It's relatively expensive, and they
                   have a reputation for drunk skiers on
                   the slopes.

Hidden Valley  --  Also at the Donegal exit.  A little
                   cheaper, but not quite as nice.

Wisp   -- In Deep Creek Maryland.  It's pretty nice, and
          my preference over Seven Springs.

Snowshoe --  In WVa, about 6 hours away.  Pretty big, and
             one of the 2 best in driving distance.

Holiday Valley -- In Ellicotville, NY, about 5 hrs away.
                  around 40 runs or so.  Not too expensive.

There are others that I haven't been to:

Laurel Mtn, Boyce Park, Blue Knob (Closer to Philly).  I'd
suggest posting to a local CMU group.  When I graduated, a
ski club was just forming.  You may want to check into that,
too.
------------------------------------------------------
Chris Fulmer                    Bell-Northern Research
Sr. Software Designer            Research Triangle, NC
mail to woodstock!chris@mcnc.org (preferable) or...
        chrisf@bnr.ca            (not so preferable)
Oh yeah.  The usual disclaimers apply here.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: "Ski Mountaineering" (?) advice wanted
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:10:53 GMT

ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994)) writes:
>Hey, Chris!  I've been thinking about using some of the new, lightweight
>snowshoes to hike up, then switch to skis to come down.  Any thoughts?

I did this my first year backcountry skiing.  You can't use
alpine boots with snowshoes, so you have to carry the alpine
boots in a pack with the skis strapped on.  If the slopes
are very steep you can't use snowshoes or skis with skins,
you end up post-hole-ing up.  The setup certainly works,
but you will eventually want something better.

--Chris
From: davis@lugg.utah.edu (Darrell R. Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Telemark skis
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:09:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: adenosin.DAVIS.92Oct15150929
	<1992Oct14.165849.6783@fcom.cc.utah.edu>
	<LAUNCE.92Oct14163358@apollo.med.utah.edu>
	<Oct15.031507.60154@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
	<STEINMAN.92Oct15144154@hawk.is.morgan.com>
Organization: College of Science, University of Utah


on Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:41:54 GMT,
steinman@is.morgan.com (Jan Steinman) said:
>> In-Reply-To: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU's message of Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:15:07 GMT

This is so damn much fun:-)

Why tele in area when paralleling *works* better?  I do it because its
different and more challenging.  I don't really mind taking beaters as
long as I don't significantly increase the risk of getting hurt.
Skiing in area is also a way to rapidly perfect your skills for the
backcountry.  Who wants to hike for an hour so that you can execute
linked face-plants? 

Tele'in does wonders for your downhill skiing, tele for a year and you
will never sit back again in your life.

I only make parallel turns on my pins under two conditions; really
steep icy stuff, and virgin untracked.  I find that a tele turn is
more stable under most other conditions.  Tele'in at high speed in
lightly cut crud is truly a riot, danger lurks at every turn.  The
main reason I make tele turns is that its fun, and challenging.  I
sort of agree that if you are doing the same thing on teles that you
do on downhills you might to stick downhill gear. Even extreme tele
gear doesn't make as good of turns as downhill gear.  When the snow
gets hard I either downhill or stay home.

I used to say that tele'in was a good way to ski with
intermediate/advanced downhillers.  Unfortunately I'm too good now, so
am back to skiing with the same folks as before.  It took a couple of
years. Expect to be a level below where you are on downhills.  Many
people reach a skill level where further improvement is not reflected
in an ability to "keep-up", you *could* go faster, but you don't want
to.  You are not likely to fall, but if you did it would be ugly.

Downhill skiing doesn't give me much of a physical workout, tele'in
requires more leg strength.  How much more depends on style and
technique, like other sports, the better you get the less work it
takes.  Non-stop tele runs will give me a pretty good leg burn. 

For me tele'in is consistent with my skiing style in general.  I ski
powder, crud, and steeps.  I don't search out moguls but will deal
with them if they are in my way.  I seldom cruise, and prefer to do it
on long GS skis.  When the snow is hard by Utah standards I cruise or
get out the slalom skis for fun on the steeps.  When its hard by other
standards I stay home.

--------------------------------------------------------------
 
 Darrell R. Davis 
 Medicinal Chemistry 
 University of Utah 
  
--------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: c.oneill@trl.oz.au (Chris O'Neill)
Subject: Re: What, Raichele SWEDISH? (Re: Boots recommendations wanted)
Organization: Telecom Australia Research Laboratories, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 08:09:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.011832.25964@trl.oz.au> harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave
Harsant) writes:

>By the way, our season has just about finished here.  It's been raining
>since Sunday, most mountains have closed, I've hung up my boots for
>now.  Mt. Buller is still open, but the snow was fairly lousy on Sunday
>- very soft and very wet, it doesn't freeze overnight at this time of
>year.

It does.  But not as often as earlier in the season.  You can't just expect it
to be frozen any time that it's not raining like in winter. When the air comes
from the north (in Australia) it is usually too hot.  However there are many
days when the temperature is right for great conditions (as long as there is
enough snow).  You just have to pick the right days.

>  No rocks.  I'm considering coming over to CO or Utah in Feb, if
>I can find something not too expensive.
>
>--
>Dave Harsant,
>Telecom Australia Research Laboratories  |  d.harsant@trl.oz.au

Chris O'Neill
Telecom Australia Research Labs
From: markd@cup.hp.com (Mark_Donohoe)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: N. Tahoe Ski Cabin Openings
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:27:31 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

The Ski cabin is now full.  Sorry. :-(

--
Mark Donohoe (markd@cup.hp.com)
From: aodyniec@orion.oac.uci.edu (Alex Odyniec)
Subject: Re: Where to go in France...
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:13:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.145238.8907@bristol.ac.uk> P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
>(We've done Flaine, Les
>Arcs, La Plagne, Tignes/Val D'Isere, and the Trois Vallees -- Meribel,
>Courcheval, Val Thorens, Les Menuires -- 

Which of the above would you recommend for an advanced skier?
I'm going to ski France in January. It's possible that my friends will
not join me -- any particular area popular with singles?
Will I have problems finding three- or two-star hotels for a few days
at a time without reservations?

Alex Odyniec
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: lillie@anchor.comm.mot.com (Ross Lillie)
Subject: Re: Skier classification
Reply-To: lillie@anchor.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola LMPS Research, Schaumburg, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:01:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.145611.506@apex.com>, marshab@apex.com (Marsha Bates) writes:
|>Newsgroups: rec.skiing
|>From: marshab@apex.com (Marsha Bates)
|>Subject: Re: Skier classification
|>
|>In article <BvpyC9.LvE@mail.boi.hp.com> kde@boi.hp.com (Keith Emmen) writes:
|>>   A friendly suggestion.  On his first day, make sure the weather is good,
|>>and don't try to push him to hard.  Be *very* supportive, and don't critize
|>>much.  Words like "That's great!, but try this next" work well.  
|>>Make sure his boots don't hurt his feet. 
|>>Good luck!
|>>Keith
|>
|>A better suggestion.  Don't take him yourself the first time.  Have
|>him take a lesson or make him go with a friend of yours that skiis 
|>well. 
|>

Absolutely!  Having taken many trips with 1st time beginners along, I couldn't
agree more.  Put your boyfriend in GROUP lessons for the first several days.
This will expose him to a (hopefully) good instructor, put him together with
other people in the same boat, and, in general, make his first ski trip a much
more pleasant experience.

This also gives you part of the day to ski at your normal pace, while saving the
other half of the day to work with, and reinforce what your friend has learned.

Last year, I took a group to Jackson Hole, with 2 first time skiers.  We're
returning to Jackson again this year, and our first timers were the first ones
to send me checks for their room deposits - they can't wait to go.  They also
took 4 days of lessons, last year, and LEARNED how to ski; by Friday they were
being taken down the upper portion of Thunder run by their instructor!

Do him a favor.  Have him take lessons!!  Don't let him convince you that he
doesn't need to take any lessons (male ego, perhaps?).  This way, he'll want
to go skiing again :-)

--
Ross J. Lillie
LMP Sector, Systems Research Lab
Motorola, Inc.

Email:  lillie@comm.mot.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: Telemark skis
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:07:47 GMT

Sorry about the semi-duplicate response, I thought the first one
died.

--Chris

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: davin@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Veale)
Subject: Marker 46 bindings for sale
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:19:27 GMT


I've got a pair of used Marker M46 bindings which I took off of a pair of
skis that I converted for use as tele-skis.  These bindings work great and
appear to be the most durable I've seen.  They're a demo model which means
that the front binding also runs on a track for adjustment, but this in no
way raises the boot from the ski or compromises their durability.  I had
to destroy one mounting screw when I took them off, but it should be no
problem to replace -most ski shops have a bucket of spare mounting screws
sitting around.
			price=$25

If interested, send e-mail or call Dave @ (206)528-5765 (Seattle)
 
From: atkins@hpcndpc.CND.HP.COM (Brian Atkins)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:33:12 GMT
Subject: Ski Season Tire Info Wanted
Organization: HP Network and System Management Division
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

This isn't exactly about skiing, but skiers will undoubtedly have the 
information I seek...

I am looking for a good all season radial tire for my Mazda 626 (185/70-14).
I would like something that handles snow and rain well, but doesn't sound
like a truck in the summer or cost a lot in mileage.

I am current looking at the Kelly-Springfield Crusader, the Big-O Euro-SR,
and the B.F.Goodrich Hood Metric.  If anyone out there has a tire for there
family sedan that the just love (or hate), I'd like to hear about it.

The tires I mentioned are at various shops: Discount, Big-O, Tire Shoppe.
Shop recommendations or warnings about these (national?) chains
would also be appreciated.

Thanks!

Brian Atkins

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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Subject: Re: Telemark skis
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:25:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Oct16.190320.8036@ncar.ucar.edu> chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu writes:
>eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>>
>>The truth is that Wayne and I would like to get you to break trail.
>>Mush!
>
>No problem, I already break for everyone else. ;^)
>

Let's clarify.  We're talking about on the way up, right?  (I'll
take on the burden of breaking trail on the way down.)

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Re: Two-way radios on the slopes
Keywords: radio
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 17:08:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.041843.9794@panix.com> oppedahl@panix.com (Carl Oppedahl) writes:
[Gee...aren't radios great? deleted]
>Any comments, suggestions, or other experiences to share in this area?

Yeah...the same I made over on rec.arts.sf.cons, Make sure you're not on the
same channel/freq as Con Security/the Ski Patrol....

---Steve 
-- 
Stephen Okay  sokay@mitre.org
"You see, I'm kind of this control freak who likes to create his own
personal hells before the real one can get to him. I like to beat hell
to hell so to speak".--Spalding Gray "Monster in a box"
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: raz@nmsu.edu (Linda Rasmussen)
Subject: Texas Skiers, yeehah!
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: rec.skiing
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:06:50 GMT

Those of you who've never experienced Texas skiers definitely ought to
visit Ski Apache in Ruidoso, New Mexico.  The southernmost resort in
the U.S. I beleive, and with beautiful and plentiful powder. (The last
few years the snow rivalled Taos even.)  Plus, skiing in midwinter
with only a light jacket is not uncommon, although I was there on the
last day of the season in April in a heavy snowstorm last year.  The
only place in the U.S. where you can ski down the side of the bowl at
the summit and overlook desert floor below, and the snow-like White
Sands Natl. Monument.  It also has a tremendous lift capacity, so even
when it's crowded the wait is normally under 5 minutes, and usually
much less.

The weirdest thing about it, though, is that it is the closest ski
resort to Texas, and by far the majority of cars in the lots show
Texas plates. (Don't let a New Mexican get off on Texan mountain
driving....but just remember, there are no mountains in Texas.)
There's an ongoing banter back and forth between the natives and the
Texan visitors which is pretty well summed up by two bumperstickers
I've seen there:

1. If God wanted Texans to ski he would have made bullshit white!

2. If God wanted New Mexicans to ski he would have given them money.

And yes, there are quite a few cowboy hats on the slopes.

raz@nmsu.edu
From: wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Best spots to ski in Northeast??
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:06:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

>>  I'm heading to the Northeast this Christmas and was wondering
>>  where the good spot(s) to ski would be.  I'm a beginner to
>>  moderate skier and my girlfriend has never skied before.
>
>Ski Killington!
>(This is what we eastcoasters are supposed to say right?)

Must be--whenever I try Killintgon, all the eastcoasters seem to be there.
Its the only place where I've skied a non-holiday weekday (a Friday) in
a part of the mountain (Bear) where only one of two parallel lifts were
open, and still thought the slopes were too crowded with over-their-head
skiers to feel safe. It must really be fun on a weekend or holiday, like
Christmas week.

Bill Hery
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Man made snow (SUCKS)
Reply-To: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 02:54:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.044119.27468@trl.oz.au>, harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.013239.13724@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>>
>>MORE WATER PER UNIT VOLUME???  SINCE SNOW IS FROZEN WATER I'D GUESS THAT YOU
>>ARE TRYING TO SAY THAT IT PACKS DOWN EASIER.... YUP! Frozen water is frozen
>>water and it may be different on the ground, but that is what snow is made
>
>Due to the fact that snow falls as a 3 dimensional crystal, the density
>of the snow can be calculated by measuring the volume of the snow, then
>melting it and measuring the volume of the water (or simply weighing it
>and calculating the vol/vol density).  Heavy snow is around 10-15% water
>by volume, while very light powder is around 5%. As snow sits on the ground,
>the crystals change, and so does the character of the snow.
>
>--
>Dave Harsant,
>Telecom Australia Research Laboratories  |  d.harsant@trl.oz.au

The character may change a shitload, but it is still water... not just 5-15%
but damn near 100%....SURE it may be more or less dense (Like some people who
post on this group) but no matter how many skiers pack it down, it just gets
to be a denser form of water.... and on the same principle, no matter how
many times someone from New Jersey gets run over on a trail... he/she is still
from New Jersey...I hope that this example helps create a clearer picture 4 U.

								Todd S.

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Telemark skis
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 00:47:34 GMT

>>eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>>>The point is to raise one's skill.

>trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:

>>Quite.  And this is precisely the benefit of area skiing.  While
>>the backcountry skier spends all day slogging to the top of
>>a hill, an area skier can get in tens of runs, to perfect his skill.
>>Don't mind me.  I'm just "pulling a Clinton" on the backcountry issue.

There's that name again?!

Area skiing is like bouldering or pure rock climbing in rock shoes.
You minimize the hazards like avalanches, back off on getting up the hill,
carrying lunch, etc.  10s of runs can be fun.  A fine way to learn and
practice.

In article <1992Oct14.175246.21796@ncar.ucar.edu>
chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu writes:
>As one of those skiers who has been skiing since birth

Chris!  You must have been cute in your suit!  Powder Blue of course?
Come on!  Weren't you the person swathed in blankets with the two big
Nordic guys (King of Norway) fleeing, the two guys had helmets (!),
metal breast places, stout poles in the painting?.
Honored for your presence your excellency! 8^)

>and took up telemarking for the challenge, skiing in the
>backcountry is far more enjoyable:
>	1) you don't pay $30
>	2) you don't stand in line
>	3) it's not a zoo (yet)
>Sure, I may not get in 27,542' of verticle per day, but
>trying to raise my skill level has diminishing returns.

The height of Makalu!

The truth is that Wayne and I would like to get you to break trail.
Mush!

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Seeking Books to buy:	Bongard, Pattern Recognition
			Imhof, Cartographic Relief Presentation
			Books on or by Benjamin Whorf
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: My first experience with a Texas Skiie
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 20:12:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.143611.3089@pmafire.inel.gov> russ@pmafire.inel.gov
(Russ Brown) writes:
A metaphor for Texan removed.

>If the group were from Texas, would the reply be, "By the standard Otter
>Body Snowfield route"?  

I think it would be via the O-S.

>I've never seen a Texas skier.  Are there special noteworthy
>characteristics?  Some special flair or elegance?  Class?  Do they only
>ski in NM and Vail, CO?

3.0

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Seeking Books to buy:	Bongard, Pattern Recognition
			Imhof, Cartographic Relief Presentation
			Books on or by Benjamin Whorf
			Wulf et al, The Design of an Optimizing Compiler