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From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: ***UPDATE: I LOVE YOU ALL SO MUCH***
Date: 14 Sep 1992 13:37:02 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


     I'm not letting whomever (I didn't even read the posts this time)
cause all this commotion again with the posts including the 'f' word without
retaliating once again - if he/she keeps posting things, I'll put my subject
header here, too, just to stop the terrible anger/sadness that the "F***
you all" header evokes.
     I will, however, collect some cute kid stories, so I don't keep wasting
bandwidth like he/she does. (And like we do with our responses.
     Last night, my cousins called to wish me Happy Birthday. (I'm 23.)
To make you all feel old :-), I'll first tell you that both the 6 and 9YO
boys said: "Wow, you're really getting up there in years!" (I wonder how
their parents, both around 40, must feel!)
     Also, 9YO Chris informed me that their class is reading Greek myths.
He was describing the  on where this king's son is half man, half monster
or something along those lines.  Chris kept calling it half man, half bull,
and one can see why.  Instead of calling this monster a Minotaur, he kept
calling the monster a Matador! (That's a bullfighter, for the unaware.)
(Someone else will have to fill in more of the myth.)
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu      :    "Every baby born into the world is
Real home: Canton, Ohio             :  finer than the last."--Charles Dickens
 Trying to follow in the path of our :     "A baby is an inestimable
Lord;anything close will be a success:  blessing and bother."--Mark Twain
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Booster seats in aircraft
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:53:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

[ comments about car seats not useful in crashes ]

The survivor rate in airplane accidents has been steadily increasing.
Now, over 50% survive airplane crashes.  I would think that a car
seat would be a GOOD THING (tm) for crashes (as well as turbulence).
One crash I heard about, the baby ended up (alright) in the overhead
compartment.  I wonder if that's where the parent put him.  If it
is well padded with coats, it seems like a good bet to me if you
don't have a carseat and have some warning of a crash - limits how
far they will fly.  I'd worry about suffocation and my own survival
so I could retrieve the baby after (which is what happened in the
real story).

[comments about using car seats when no seat purchased]
We have also used the car seat when we did not purchase a seat.
Can't really remember the airline, but we've done it a few times
and we usually fly American or USAir.

Tricks for not purchasing a seat that increase chances of getting a 
empty one for the baby

1)  Ask how full the flight is likely to be.  Say, you're flying on
    Flight 123, Tues Nov. 3rd.  Asking how full it is is somewhat helpful,
    but a lot of things can change in 2 months.  Better to ask how full
    Flight 123 is on next Tuesday.  If it's "wide open", chances are it will
    be on Nov. 3rd too.  If it's totally full, you may want to buy an
    extra ticket.  We paid for a ticket between N.C. and Seattle when
    the flight was less than 1/3 full.  That was painful.

2)  If you are both travelling, book an aisle and window seat in the same
    row.  Single seats are only awarded between 2  people if all other 
    possibilities are full.  Book near the back of the plane, seats are
    awarded from back to front.  I've had a travel agent tell me that
    they can't book seats that have a gap between them.  This is
    horse pucky - just treat them like 2 single bookings.  If necessary,
    do the seat assignments via the airline instead (which is what I did
    when the travel agent "couldn't" do it.
 

-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
From: day_kevran@tandem.tandem.com (Kevran Day )
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pregnant and wedding rings too tight
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:55:37 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.

Well, I just want to *THANK YOU ALL*!  I hadn't really
thought about my wedding rings until last week, when they looked
and felt fine.  Then I started reading this #@*&! thread and
yesterday my hands got a little puffy and today I can't get my
rings off!!!!  If I'd just "killed" this thread, my rings would
have been fine! ;-) ;-) ;-).

I'm going to the doc this week so this will definitely come up
in my visit.  I never did take them off when I was pregnant 
with Jason - never even thought about.  And I was hoping that
this time they'd be okay too.

Kevran (mom to Jason - 2YO and ??? due in Oct.)
From: Hebe.B.Quinton@dartmouth.edu (Hebe B. Quinton)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A child is born....
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:08:44 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1992Sep15.163237.9273@ntmtv>
jmartin@ntmtv.UUCP (Jeff Martin) writes:

> 
> 	Ashley Taylor Martin
> 
> 	August 27, 1992
> 	10:30 pm
> 	7'11"

What a taaallll baby.  Was it a loooonnng delivery?? :-)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry)
Subject: Re: Hair Today, Gone Tomorrow?
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:45:55 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Sep15.103421.22891@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> MAHER@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Cynthia Maher) writes:
>What experiences have others had with baby hair?  People keep telling
>us it is going to fall out.  Is this the norm?  If it does fall out,
>about how old is the baby when it happens?  I know that every baby is
>unique, but if you have a hair loss or hair kept story, I'd love to 
>hear it.
>

My daughter was born with a full head of dark hair.  Over time,
she developed pronounced male-pattern baldness (and rubbed a bald
spot on the back of her head, because she was a NO TUMMIES! baby),
but she lost less than a quarter of her endowment total.  Her hair has gotten
much lighter as it grew out, though.  
-- 
Betsy Hanes Perry   (note P in userid)     betsyp@apollo.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard Company
"It seems to us that the readers who want fiction to be like life are
considerably outnumbered by those who would like life to be like fiction."
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: equacken@encore.com (Eric E. Quackenbush)
Subject: Re: Diaper Rash
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:22:32 GMT

cooper@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lynette Cooper) writes:


>The best diaper rash ointment I've used is Desitin.  It stinks to
>high heaven, but nothing else seems to work as well.

>				       Lynn Cooper

Desitin never worked for us.  Balmex made a real differance.  After we
started using it, around 2weeks old, we've never had a rash and Sarah's
2 yrs. now.  The only differance we saw was Balmes has two active     
ingrediants and Desitin has one.  If I recall correctly the one in Desitin
is also in Balmex.....and it smells alot nicer too.

To the real reason for this mini-thread, I'd call the doctor for the little
one who can't even sit in the tub.  If it get's bad enough, your ped might
ask you to put nothing including a diaper on the baby.  A friend of ours had
to do that but it worked.  Sounds like fun, huh!

                                Eric Quackenbush
From: lm3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Laura McGinnis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Math: Estimating vs Real Thing
Date: 8 Sep 92 06:05:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.Uef=ABO00WBOA1qq5V
	<1992Sep5.013110.11182@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

On 05-Sep-92 in Re: Math: Estimating vs Rea..
user Dorothy Neville@cs.washi writes:
>...  Are there any elementary school
>teachers who like math, who feel proficient with arithmetic skills
>themselves, who can make mathematics really exciting and worthwhile?
>I have met one or two, but they seem very much in the minority.

As a person with proficient math and teaching skills, I must confess
that I am not a school teacher.  One of my primary reasons for not
following in my parents' footsteps (both school teachers) is the wealth
of other opportunities available for someone with my talents.

As a programmer, I can make enough money to support myself and my
family.  As a teacher, I cannot.  My husband (also a programmer) and I
have talked about one of us going back to school to get a teaching
certificate, but neither of us wants to give up our university jobs,
which pay about half of what we can get in industry, for a "real" job,
which would provide sufficient income that only one of us would need to
work to support all 4 of us.

A lot of my friends that are teachers envy us our jobs and potential,
but tell us "I was never good enough in math to be able to do what you
do".  Teaching needs to compete with other professions if it is going to
attract the "math-gifted".

My husband and I are planning on supplementing our children's education,
because we already figure they will be understimulated at school. 
Neither of us wants to take on the responsibility of home-schooling, and
we both want our kids to have the social interaction that comes from
being in school, but we know that what our school provides will not be
enough for our kids.  School will give them things we cannot, and we
will give them things school cannot; we figure that this is the way
things should work in the current paradigm.  Maybe the paradigm will
shift, but our children's education will still be our responsibility,
and we will use all available resources to get them the best education
possible - not 100% home-schooled, but not solely classroom, either.

This is one family's opinion, not a mandate for society.  The
second-class status of teachers in our society is a bee in my bonnet,
but it will take a lot to change the way things are.  If anyone has any
good ideas, I'd like to hear them.

Laura
(mother to Mickye, 2.75 yrs & Margaret, 3 months).
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jmartin@ntmtv.UUCP (Jeff Martin)
Subject: A child is born....
Originator: jmartin@cleomed
Reply-To: jmartin@ntmtv.UUCP (Jeff Martin)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:32:37 GMT


	Ashley Taylor Martin

	August 27, 1992
	10:30 pm
	7'11"

	Mother and daughter are well. Older brother, Alex,
	3.5, not sure about this.
From: amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Amy Moseley Rupp)
Subject: Re: Names
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:43:35 GMT

Re:  Geordie LeVar

Although I am not an ardent StarTrek fan, I recognized this one right
away! I think StarTrek is kinda geeky, but, oh well.  My husband loves it.

Geordie is actually not an uncommon name, found in the British ballads.
My problem with this name is that there is no "safe" alternative if
the child hates his/her name, or wants to be conservative and be a
CEO etc.  I think one unusual name is fine, but two is a bit much.

How about
George LeVar Gatling, with a nickname of Geordie?  that way the kid
could be the conservative George Gatling if he wished later.

or, Geordie Eric Gatling (or whatever "conventional name" you
wish there)  that way if the child wishes to be conservative,
he could be Eric Gatling, or if he was a total yuppie,
G. Eric Gatling.

One StarTrek name is enough, I think....

We can't decide on the name for our baby, and we are almost certain
it is a she!  We might get stuck with "Critter" which is what I have
been calling the baby for 12 weeks or so now.

gotta go, this pregnancy carpal tunnel bites...

-- 
Amy Moseley Rupp			Needed:  one witty, appropriate,
amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com		businesslike .sig that will perfectly
(512) 329-7117				reflect my philosophy of life and will
11 weeks and counting			fit in four lines or less.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tama@anasazi.com (Tama McBride)
Subject: Re: Late Crawler/Walker
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:34:44 GMT

Ian never really crawled, and didn't walk until he was 13 months old.  He
was normal in all other respects, he just wasn't interested in going
anywhere.  This all changed about 12 months old when he discovered there
were things he wanted he couldn't get to.  It was up to him, and when he
was ready he went.  (Now at 2 years, he's a _monkey_!)

I talked to my mom recently, and she told me that I never crawled either.
I just decided one day to go somewhere and stood up and ran....  haven't
stopped since....  :-)  especially after Ian now....
-- 
Tama McBride  (beeper 602/498-1367, office 602/861-7679, e-mail tama@qip.UUCP)
From: i002162@disc.dla.mil (Susan Gibbons)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How much does daycare cost
Keywords: daycare
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:19:19 GMT
Organization: Defense Industrial Supply Center, Philadelphia, Pa


My son goes to a daycare that is run by the Philadelphia public school system.
They provide all his food, drinks and snacks.  They charge according to how
much money you make.  I pay $35.00 per week, I make $305.00 per week.
While they may not have all the latest and greatest toys and gadgets, he
has been there for 18 months and loves it.  His teacher has been there for
15 years.  There is some turnover of the staff, but since they are part of
the teachers' union, their wages are above the average for day care 
providers and are more likely to stay.  

If you don't make alot of money (like me), this was the only way I could
afford to go to work.  I am a single mom and would probably be on welfare
if it weren't for this 'sliding scale' daycare.  Check around, they are
out there.

Susan Gibbons, single mom to Eric, almost 3 yrs old.
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Stitches  (toe-nail)
Date: 10 Sep 92 10:06:15 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <1992Sep8.143912.6624@ll.mit.edu>, yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
> 	Boy, I hate it when that happens.  Just when you're getting
> 	a good night's sleep, someone comes alond and rips out your
> 	toe-nail.
> 
> 	What's this world coming to?


Forget it...I can top that!  As some of you may recall, I am the parent of a
daughter who doesn't believe in a full night's sleep, for her OR mom.  Well,
at almost 11 months old she finally, finally was getting the hang of it.  And
then:  Hurricane Andrew.  Which means 2 1/2 weeks (and counting) and still
no electricity, which means no night light and no air conditioning (which means
80 degrees at midnight) and...

Boy, I hate it when that happens.  Just when you're training your kid to get
a good night's sleep, a hurricane comes along and rips out your lifestyle.

:) :) :)

Ann Helmers
(whose 3-year old is also doing the midnight shuffle; nothing like a hot sweaty
kid cuddling up to you as you lie there trying to sleep!) 


PS:  Other than no juice, we're all okay thank God.  And thanks to everybody
around the country who has reached into their hearts and wallets to help those
here who weren't so lucky.  When things calm down I'll post our hurricane
story, the storm and the aftermath.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jackie8@dasher.uucp (Jackie Brady)
Subject: Cute Kissing Stories (was Re: Cute Things They Do)
Organization: Bellcore - Piscataway, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 20:34:50 GMT

In article <682@oodis01.af.mil> latwood@oodis01.af.mil (Lynette Atwood) writes:
>
>Another cute kissing story (but my son is 15 months).  Jeremy was
>running around the house kissing everything (including his 5-year-old
>sister  -  amazing  :-]).  The toys got kisses, the mirror got kisses
>(of course), the TV, etc.  I asked him for a kiss for mommy - he
>grabbed his mouth and shouted  "No!  Mine!!"  Then started laughing
>and came over and kissed me.  A 15 month-old tease, what every parent
>needs huh.  :-)

At a picnic this summer, I said to my almost 3YO nephew, "Michael,
can I have a kiss?" With a devilish look in his eye he came right
over, lips all puckered and at the last (*very* last) second, he
stuck his tongue out and I wound up kissing his tongue! :-} I asked
my brother (his dad) if he's been teaching him too well.  My brother
hadn't seen what happened, and asked me why?  I said, "Because your
son just 'slipped me the tongue'!  He sure *is* your kid!"  

That was meant to amuse you.  It sure amused everyone at the picnic. ;-)

---
Jackie Brady/jackie8@cc.bellcore.com/908-699-5458 (insert usual disclaimer)
(do not reply to the address in "From:" section. Use id in .sig to reply)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: day_kevran@tandem.tandem.com (Kevran Day )
Subject: Re: Alcohol during pregnancy (was Re: Caffeine during Pregnancy)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:56:37 GMT

In article <22394@venera.isi.edu>, sdreynol@isi.edu (Sam D Reynolds) wrote:

> Recent studies suggests that even one drink at the wrong time **may**
> lead to fas.  The study that I am referring to was recently discussed
> on an airing of 20/20.  

Now there's an irrefutable source for you ;-)!  Paula give up your medline 
searches, you're just a scientist - 20/20 says your wrong!!!

> >Even a teetotaller will have a very small concentration of ethanol in her 
> >blood due to the fermentation of fiber in the gut.  Suggesting that this 
> >could cause fetal alcohol syndrome would be ridiculous, and so is 
> >suggesting that one small drink, consumed rarely, will have any effect 
> >on the baby. Drinking a half of a beer, 6 ounces at 5% alcohol, will 
> >have the same effect as drinking two pints of natural fruit juice that 
> >contains 1% alcohol....
> 
> Not true.  As you yourself site, its a matter of blood alcohol levels.
> Drinking one half a beer with 1 gallon of water will result in lower
> blood alcohol levels than drinking one half a beer by itself.

The only way this is true is that it takes a hell of a long time to drink
a gallon of water!  Paula is correct,  natural fruit juices contain about
1% alcohol.  By Sam's blanket NO ALCOHOL statement, mothers who 
have their morning OJ are purposefully putting their kids at risk
for FAS.  I've been drinking so much OJ, my kid will probably be one
of the worst cases.

> Paula may very well be right in saying that one third of a beer every
> couple weeks has no ill effects on the fetus.  But how much is too
> much and who is to say?

I don't know if it's still true, but in Great Britain at one stage (during
the WWI and WWII, when food was being rationed severely), pregnant
and nursing mothers were prescribed Guinness because of all the extra
nourishment that that particular beer provided in a relatviely simple to
extract form!

Sam, you are over the top, as they say!  You should not be giving pregnant
women this extra worry.  An occasional (and that is what we've been 
talking about, isn't it) drink of alcohol is not likely to present any
problems
to the unborn.  Yes, we should err on the side of the unborn child, but
your
line of thought has really gone way too far.

Kevran (mom to Jason - 2YO and ??? due in Oct.)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: fod@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Frank O'Donnell)
Subject: reading list for dad-to-be
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 01:12:31 GMT

Would anyone have any suggestions for "must" reading for
a prospective first-time father-to-be whose partner has
just learned she is pregnant?

Material covering pregnancy, childbirth and early childhood
parenting would be equally of interest.  In an evening at
the bookstore I came up with "What to Expect When You're
Expecting," which is a pretty good overall pregnancy guide,
but was curious if there might be any real gems out there.

Frank
frank@jplpost.jpl.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re: Justin...)
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:52:55 GMT

In article <8383.9209091703@bonzo.xylogics.com> rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo) writes:
>
>In response to Ben Wolfe's post on negative effects
>of drugs during labor, Liz Attree ends with:
>
>Sorry, it made me mad.
>
>
>I just wanted to say ditto, and amen.
>
>-Dena

Not only that, but I can't understand *where* he gets his
medical information from.  I've actually read a few of the
things he's listed, and I cannot understand why he thinks
they support his position.
What a jerk trying to impose unnecessary pain on women!
(No knock intended to women who *prefer* not to have the
pain medication.)
Elise.
From: betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re: Justin...)
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:11:37 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Sep12.145013.13111@afit.af.mil> mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault) writes:
>  He was trying to encourage women to
>learn (and I believe that in most case it must be learned) how to labor
>without pain medication, for their own health as well as the baby's.
>
>If you want to take the risks, so be it.  But be aware that there *are* 
>risks.  Learn what they are.  And also be aware that natural birthers
>usually view the pain as *necessary* pain.

Here's the fundamental problem I have with natural-birthers, many of
whom are completely reasonable people.  *Some* natural-birthers
generalize from "Labor pain was necessary for me, and pain medication
was not worth the trade-offs to me" to "Labor pain is necessary for
everybody, and people who choose pain medication are ill-informed."

There are a lot of tradeoffs with pain medication.  One important goal
is the child's alertness at birth; another important goal is the
mother's alertness at birth.  The overriding MOST important goal is
the safety and health of both parties.  Some women find labor pain
easily manageable without drugs; others, equally committed to
intervention-free childbirth, find the pain unbearable.  

A woman who has suffered a very painful labor may be too exhausted or
too frightened to enjoy her newborn.  This is just as great an
impediment to that joyous moment of birth as is an infant sleepy from
pain medication.  And both impediments pass with time.  It is *not*
true that you have to "bond" in the first 60 seconds or be forever
doomed.

I've read some of the research.  A study you don't often hear cited
(I'll try to dig up the citation in *I Wish Someone Had Told Me*) is
a Canadian study, which showed that women who had undergone prepared
childbirth classes had no better a record at avoiding pain medication
than women who hadn't.

It does astound me that there's this hembra (feminine of "macho")
mystique around childbirth.  Nobody hands out gold ribbons for having
a broken leg set without medication; everybody is willing to admit
that it's appropriate to accept pain relief.  Why is there this cult
that "real" women don't need pain relief from childbirth?
-- 
Betsy Hanes Perry   (note P in userid)     betsyp@apollo.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard Company
"It seems to us that the readers who want fiction to be like life are
considerably outnumbered by those who would like life to be like fiction."
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Names
Date: 11 Sep 1992 20:51:35 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <BuFFyo.Kv7@apollo.hp.com> betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) writes:
>
>More "absolutely, positively safe" name stories:
[Betsy's deleted for space]

We named our son Dylan partly because we didn't want a name that 
could be shortened to anything we didn't like.  Sure enough, I took
him with me to get my hair cut one day, and my hair stylist said "Hi
Silly Dilly!"  I could have strangled her.

-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 21 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)