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From: astinus+@pitt.edu (Mark E Porterfield)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Ski Saver
Date: 24 Dec 92 16:12:53 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

I have used Ski saver since I bought my first set of skis.  While no coating
you apply wil guaranty the look of your skis it MOST certainly helps.

Out here in the 'Burgh we can buy it for about $15 or $16.  And it will coat
about 1 1/2 sets of 175 cm skis.  It is very simple to apply and the only
slight difficulty is applying it with no air bubbles (not too bad though).
To remove it you just get out the old hair dryer and heat up the plastic a bit
and take a screwdriver and roll off the ski saver.  Use a little Isopropyl
Alcohol to remove any sticky residue and wipe your skis down with a damp
cloth and dry them.  Whala! (sp?) you are ready to add next years coat.

Instructions are included with the ski saver and it really is easy.  I have 
even left this stuff one for more than one year (2 seasons). One nice thing
about doing this yourself is you have leftovers and can take it with you on
prolonged trips incase you happen to need to re-apply some.

Mark E. Porterfield
Merry Christmas everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: mos@gasco.com (Mark O'Shea  x1527)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Question to more advanced skiers (bumps)
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:32:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: gasco.1992Dec23.183209.10821
Organization: NorthWest Natural Gas Company, Portland Oregon.
Originator: mos@cetus


In article <1992Dec21.035423.4667@wam.umd.edu>, bgohari@wam.umd.edu (Babak Gohari) writes:
|> Dear more advanced skiers:
|> ...
|> What I usually end up doing is (now don't laugh) to turn so that I actually
|> start going up the hill and lose the momentum.  This sounds stupid, and
|> looks even worse, so my question is: is there any other way to stop on
|> bumps, especially many mini-bumps in a cluster?  Thanks.

Each year on TV here they show these 3 minute skiing instruction spots during 
the 6 o'clock news.  They have different instructors, all well known.  Last
year a guy, whose name I've forgotten, gave a short spot on staying in
control in the bumps.  Bascially, he said to do what you have learned.  
When you begin to feel out of control turn uphill or at least get out of the
valley and onto a bump.  He suggested when beginning to learn skiing the
bumps do three and then turn out.

My sister and son are both experts and they agree with this technique.  I am
looking forward to trying it.  Due to an injury in 90-91 and business in
91-92 I have only skied once in two years.

Mark O'Shea
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From: snarfett@athena.mit.edu (Nicole A Harris)
Subject: Re: New England ski condition numbers?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: ne
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:43:19 GMT


Sunday River has a local number.  617 666-4200.  They also have a 508 number,
but I don't know that one.  
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: root@ncube.com (Operator)
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Reply-To: root@ncube.com
Organization: nCUBE Corp., Foster City, CA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 00:46:31 GMT

In article G49@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com, jsalmi@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com (John Salmi) writes:
> In article <BzMvso.3A1@ncube.com> zod@ncube.com writes:
> >Let's join some of the cities who are boycotting Colorado,
> >in protest to their newly passwd, discriminatory law against
> >gays.
> >
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> 
> 
> ok.  boycott colorado.  it'll leave more first tracks for me.  ski alta.
> 
Not for long John.

> -- 
> John Salmi		<jsalmi@uswest.com>		(303) 595-2863
> 
>     US West takes no responsibility for anything that I might say.  Ever.




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From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Subject: Re: Hawaii
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:34:07 GMT

In article <122930235@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes) writes:
|> > 
|> > Has anyone skied in Hawaii? I am heading there for Xmass.
|> > Is it worth skiing? Or people just do it to have said:
|> > 
|> > I skied in Hawaii...
|> > 
|> 
|> It's beyond me why anyone would travel to Hawaii to ski.  It must be
|> those same people who I meet on the chair-lifts who always want it to be
|> warm and sunny when they're skiing.

  Well, their aren't any chair lifts in Hawaii, although some people do ski
down one of the big volcanic mountains on the big island of Hawaii - called
Hawaii! But don't look for skiing often, as it's only available for a short time
in the winter - and don't look for a chair lift!

-Ron Birnbaum


|> 
|> John
|>
From: bbousman@zeus.muse.rockwell.com (Brian Bousman)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Mammoth
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:28:12 GMT
Reply-To: bbousman@zeus.muse.rockwell.com
Organization: Rockwell International, Seal Beach, CA

In article <1992Dec21.181735.17219@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>,
wang_dj@syzygy.cs.jhu.edu (David J. Wang) writes:

|>Well, I'm almost outta here -- one more final and I'm back to good 'ole CA
|>for Christmas vacation.  What I wanted to know, though, if any one out
|>there can tell me the conditions at Mammoth, and/or what the predictions are
|>for the next 2 -2 1/2 weeks.  I'm going up the day after Christmas and
staying
|>through the new year.  Anybody know what I can expect?

I was at Mammoth last weekend (the 19th and 20th) on a trip with the Long
Beach Ski Club (shameless plug) and conditions were excellent!  I can't tell
you the conditions with technical details but the entire mountain is open,
coverage is great, and the snow was soft and powdery, even on the groomed
slopes.

                           
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bbousman@zeus.muse.rockwell.com | Space Systems Division
(310) 797-4745                  | Seal Beach, CA
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Of course I don't speak for my company.  If I did that
they'd have to pay me a lot more money.
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From: steinman@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (Jan Steinman - Bytesmiths, 3946)
Subject: Re: xc heel positioner question
Reply-To: steinman@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 06:55:54 GMT

In article 323@tc.fluke.COM, colson@tc.fluke.COM (Gary Colson) writes:
>Reading this weekend an early 80's book on mountain/backcountry skiing where quite
>a thing was made about a "heel indexing plate" which provided exceptional control
>on xc skis

When I was a ski patroller, we used to call these "leg twisters". *Every*
major leg injury I witnessed was on people wearing these damn things. Luckily,
the word went out that they were dangerous, and they are not sold much
anymore. (Probably due to liability suits!)

If you like your legs, and hate hospitals, don't use these things!

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From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Subject: Re: Question to more advanced skiers (bumps)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 16:23:15 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <JON.92Dec23150759@zeus.med.utah.edu> jon@zeus.med.utah.edu (Jonathan Byrd) writes:
>
>I would advise you against spending too much time worrying about
>methods of controlling your speed.  In my opinion, the phrase
>"controlling your speed" is really a euphemism for fighting the
>mountain.  Good skiers fight the mountain as little as possible by
>skiing at the natural speed of the slope.  Thus, they tend to ski
>steeper runs at higher speeds, regardless of the presence of
>obstacles.  Their eyes can pick a route on the fly, and their bodies
>can respond quickly because they aren't wasting effort "controlling
>their speed."  Of course, this philosophy presupposes that people have
>the sense to stay on slopes that they can handle.

While it is true that good skiers ski quickly on steeps, and don't fight
the mountain, they also have the capacity to stop on a dime at any point
during their run.  I disagree that you should not worry about controlling
your speed.  A practiced, reliable hocky-stop is a necessary prerequisite
to serious bump skiing.  Note the term "necessary" does not imply sufficient,
and that's where the stuff discussed above comes into play.  But the term
"prerequistite" speaks for itself.  If you can't find the balance point
on your skis and turn them horizontal to the fall line on demand, you're
destined for unwanted acceleration.

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
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From: snarfett@athena.mit.edu (Nicole A Harris)
Subject: Re: Fischer vs. Kastle
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:56:15 GMT

>Hello,

>After a demo trip to Purgatory I found myself fond of the 
>Fischer SC4 ceramics. Very light, fairly decent spring. Great
>mogul skis.

>Can't seem to find them in the Phoenix area. All stores sold 
>out and the Manufacturer says no more to ship.

>Found a comparable feeling ski, (only in store) with the 
>Kastle Air Graphite. Light weight, great spring.

>Any feed back....? Any one out there ski either or both..?

>I had been skiing olin 930's for several years. Did not realize
>how stiff and heavy they were un till just recently. Need a VERY 
>light and VERY springy mogul ski.... Any suggestions?

>Thanks for the input.

>Jim


How about the Fischer RC4 SLS vacuum or the Fischer's Blade Mogul.  They are 
suppose to be the same ski with different topskins.  Obviously the
Blade Mogul is suppose to be for moguls.  I have the SLS.  They are light.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: alf@hprpcd.rose.hp.com (Al Knoll x5317)
Subject: FOR SALE: Volkl Renntiger 200cm w Marker Titaniums
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 21:20:12 GMT
Organization: Performance Technology Center, Roseville
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL7]



Yep, the subj line sez it all.

1991 Volkl Renntigers 3days skied no dings with Marker Titaniums (DIN 4-10)
set up for ~sz 9-1/2 10-1/2 boots.

List 575 + 249 + mounting labor = ~ 875

Yours for $425 FOB Collect Sacramento CA.

For you who refuse to do math (John of course) that's way below wholesale.


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From: hertz@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Gerald Z. Hertz)
Subject: Re: Rossi 4SK or 7SK? (Get the DV6S)
Keywords: rossi dvs6 equipment recommendation
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 31 Dec 92 03:31:18 GMT

drbill@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (william.h.davies) writes:

>In article <1go0qpINNipu@west.West.Sun.COM> maxda@rocketer.ism.isc.com (Max D.) writes:
>>
>>Rossi 4SK or 7SK?
>>Which one is better for an advanced intermediate going for speed and steep?
>>Any help would be appreciated.
>>Thanks.
>>

I consider myself an expert skier who enjoys speed, steeps, moguls,
powder, etc.  I have owned both the 4S and the 7S and, in retrospect,
consider the 4S a hunk of junk because it handles speed so poorly.
I find the 7S as easy to ski as the 4S, but much more stable.

Of course, the best advice is to demo both of them.  When I demo, I
like to warm up on the demo skis, take a couple of runs on my own
skis, and then take at least two more runs on the demos (of course,
the number of runs depends on the length of the runs :-) If possible,
demo at a ski area where you can also switch between the 4S and the 7S
in the middle of the day.


>The 4SK is considered the most successful racing ski of all time - used
>as the benchmark for many high performance skis; favored by both racers
>and non-racers alike.

>The 7SK is Rossi's maximum performance slalom ski and used by racers like
>Alberto Tomba, Paul Accola, and Vreni Schneider.  This board is known for
>its edge grip, precision, and quickness.

Any claim that world class racers are using recreational skis is
simply marketing hype.  I once took a tour through the K2 factory and
they openly showed the room where the real racing skis are made.  The
addition of a top skin is a trivial step at the end of the
manufacturing procedure.  The one possible exception is that I have
heard or read claims that a recreational Volkl racing ski is a true
racer.

>Now for the DV6S sales pitch . . . .  *Supposedly* this is the ski of
>choice for Rossi ski racers when they're just yahoo'ing down the slopes
>and not competing.

I have never skied the DV6S, but you probably should demo it.
However, having seen racers yahoo'ing down the slopes, I suspect that
it is marketing hype that this is what they are using.

Jerry Hertz
hertz@boulder.colorado.edu


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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: phil@insession.oz.au (Philip Dickinson)
Subject: Re: Ski Hotline snow/weather reports
Reply-To: phil@insession.oz.au
Organization: Insession Pty. Ltd. (Australia)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 23:38:40 GMT

I tried dialling the uk 0891... number from Australia, it does *not* work.


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From: dgolber@midnight.aero.org (Dave Golber)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: XC near Boulder CO?
Date: 21 Dec 1992 17:16:08 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: midnight.aero.org
Originator: dgolber@midnight


My wife and I will be in Boulder Colorado for a few days after Xmas.
We're going to do some XC skiing.  (We've done some, but we're still 
pretty much beginners.)
Can anyone recommend any particlar places near Boulder?
(Want: Nice scenery, few crowds, some flats plus some hills.)

I've had people recommend: Estes Park, Loveland, Winter Park.
Eldora calls itself a an XC "center".

Any comments?

Dave Golber
Xref: sparky rec.skiing:8934 rec.travel:16971
From: roberto@tut.fi (Castagno Roberto)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.travel
Subject: Re: Need info on skiing in Italy (Milan)
Date: 28 Dec 92 08:18:30 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Tampere, Dep. of Computer Science ,Finland
NNTP-Posting-Host: ruskosotka.cs.tut.fi


In article <1992Dec23.183514.11192@atlastele.com>, majidh@atlastele.com (Majid Hajari) writes:
|> I am going to Milan (Italy) in January for 3 weeks so I was wondering
|> if there are any good ski resort near by (couple hrs of driving or train).
|> 
|> Any suggestions or recommendation will be greatly appreciated.
|> 
|> 
|> PS: I am an advance skier so I am looking for some challaging runs.
|> 
|> 
|> Majid
|> 

Cervinia is certainly a must both for the slopes and for the landascape.
You can get there by bus or by car.

If you want to use the train I strongly suggest to move to the neighbourings
of the French border. If my memory doesn't fail, you have an IC train from Milan
to Lyon, France every morning at 7.30 or so.
In a couple of hours you can reach some of the most exciting slopes in the alps.

If you get off at OULX, you can ski in the "Via Lattea" (Milky Way) ski domain, which
includes Sauze d'Oulx, Cesana, Sestriere, Sansicario, Claviere and Montgenevre (France).
You will find hundreds of Kms of slopes and ski for days without taking twice the same
lift. Many of the slopes are equipped with artificial snow "cannons". 
Try the "Kandahar" World Cup Super-G slope!

If you get off at BARDONECCHIA (last stop before the border), you will find two 
domains (Colomion :1300-2600m) and Jafferau (1300-2800m), with 140 Km. of slopes, some
of which are very challenging. (On Jafferau you can test the women's dowmhill track
for 1997 World Champinoships, or ski without stop from 2800 meters to 1300). 

The same train will bring you back to Milan before midnight.

If you need more information, feel free to contact me.

Let me know how you find these places : season's greetings & lots of fun!

CIAO

Roberto

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From: wang_dj@syzygy.cs.jhu.edu (David J. Wang)
Subject: Mammoth
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:17:35 GMT


Well, I'm almost outta here -- one more final and I'm back to good 'ole CA
for Christmas vacation.  What I wanted to know, though, if any one out
there can tell me the conditions at Mammoth, and/or what the predictions are
for the next 2 -2 1/2 weeks.  I'm going up the day after Christmas and staying
through the new year.  Anybody know what I can expect?

Thanks,   
David
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From: blake@wk60.nas.nasa.gov (Matthew W. Blake)
Subject: Reno Hotel Ski Packages??
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, California
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 23:51:30 GMT
Distribution: ca

I'll be in Reno Nevada for a conference in January and my wife is going
to come along to ski all week (lucky her).  Anyone know of a good deal for
skiers at any of the hotels/motels?  I'm particularly interested in deals
that provide roundtrip transportation each day to a ski resort.

Thanks,

Matt
blake@nas.nasa.gov
From: rodo@acdelco.auspex.com (Rod Livingood)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Lodging in South Lake 2/5-2/7 93
Date: 30 Dec 92 22:50:10 GMT
Reply-To: rodo@auspex.com
Followup-To: /dev/null
Distribution: ba
Organization: Auspex Systems


Posted for a friend.  All replies to /dev/null...


A weekend escape to South Lake Tahoe

February 5-7, 1993 (3 Days/2 Nights)

Only $346.50

Stay @ Lakeland Village, Luxury Townhomes

(1 Mile from Heavenly Ski area @ the excitement of Statline Casinos)

2bd, 1 1/2 bath with loft (Sleeps 6)

Local Skiing: Heavenly Valley, Kirkwood Ski Resor, Sierra Ski Ranch

For Reservations, or more info contact:

	Tami Tillger @ (415) 961-3764

PS.  tell her Rod sent ya


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From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 08:10:06 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ *[0-9]/1
Organization: Toyz R. Me
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: hcmal@lfug05.laf.chevron.com (Mark Allsop - Chevron laf CTN 989-3152)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Need info about skis
Keywords: I picked up a couple of pairs of skis on sale but don't know anything
Date: 3 Jan 93 16:32:47 GMT
Organization: Chevron

about them. Does anyone have any experience with Tua Paradise or
Dynastar MV7 skis? I do know that they are old models (3 years plus) but
they were such good deals I couldn't pass them by. Besides I had some
money that was burning a hole in my pocket. If you have any information,
please email me. Thanks.                      

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From: mueller@ioctl.cs.fsu.edu (Frank Mueller)
Subject: Re: Snow Machines... FAQ?????
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 18:07:17 GMT

In article <1840@advent.co.uk>, graham@advent.co.uk (Graham Underwood) writes:
> In article <Bzrp8L.3C6@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker) writes:
> >Satya Bhamidipati (satya@bramble.ecn.purdue.edu) wrote:
> >
> >> How does a Snow machine make snow ? What is/are the principle(s) ?
> >
> > Same way your refrigerator works: expansive cooling. The basic idea is
> > that water and air are pumped to the "gun". As the pressurized air/water
> > mixture exits the gun it rapidly expands and therefore cools...presto:
> > instant snow!
> >
> 
> I believe there are a few chemicals mixed in too.
> 
> Graham.

There is an extensive article on the history and techniques of snow making
in the winter issue of Ski America. I'll skip the (quite interesting)
history for this thread and concentrate on the techniques:

(1) Compressed air and water form small ice particles which appear to use
    as snow. However, they are not snow flakes (crystals) in the traditional
    shapes. Rather, it's closer to settled snow where the crystal structure
    is already destroyed. This is the most common type, quite expensive though
    due to the compressor.

(2) Water (and air I believe) are run through a gun without compression. The
    gun includes some king of sieve which is so fine that the water particals
    are seperated to the molecular level (say it said if I recall right). The
    water moleculs plus air produce snow if the temperature is low enough. This
    method should be less expensive (but might only work at lower temperatures
    than the former).

(3) Chemicals can be added to the water if the temperature is too high to
    produce snow with any of the above techniques. I would be interested to
    get some information on how common this is and what the environmental
    effects are.

Two types of guns are employed: Small, movable guns and havy-duty turbines on
top of snow cats or some kind of wheels/chains.

One last remark: While methods (1) and (2) do not use any chemicals, they still
have an environmental effect since man-made snow is much more compact than
natural snow and will melt much later in the spring. The vegetation burried by
such snow has therefore less time to develeop over the summer. (I don't know
exactly how much longer it takes for the snow to melt. But since snow making
tends to be extensive during the beginning and end of the season, the impact
of early / late man-made snow seems to add much more to this shortened summer.)

Frank
From: 00sanaylor@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: <None>
Date: 29 Dec 92 16:05:16 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's


I really hate it when I foget to change the terminal type to something
loosely compatible. 

does anyone know the sonditions of anything near Albion, MI?
going to be there new year's eve, checking...

scott naylor
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