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From: zappo@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Eric Ludlam v 2.1a)
Subject: finger information
Organization: University Computing Services
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:56:06 GMT
Distribution: gnu
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Hi,

  I'm writting some fun stuff, and wanted to get someones "finger
name" which is whatever a particular user likes.  I did this
origianally by doing a:
(call-process "grep" .... (concat "^" (getenv "USER") ":") "/etc/passwd")
(string-match regexp-thing (buffer-string))
..etc..
which worked great untill I tried it on a system with a yellow pages
server, which didn't occur to me at the time.  Is there a better way
to do this to bind the finger name to an elisp variable without using
the finger command?

Thanks tons
--Eric
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From: eeide%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Eric Eide)
Subject: Wanted: Trick to get Compile-Time Timestamp in .elc
Organization: University of Utah Department of Computer Science
Distribution: gnu
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:56:28

I would like to be able to put the compile-time's current time string into a
generated ".elc" file.  Something like this:

  (defvar compile-time (current-time-string))

where (current-time-string) is to be evaluated at compile time, not load time.
But I can't seem to find a way to convince the standard byte compiler to insert
the compile-time time string into the generated ".elc" file.  Is there a known
trick?  Or a definitive statement that it can't be done with the standard byte
compiler?

If all else fails I'll just have to write a function to first byte-compile the
file and then append an appropriate form to the ".elc" file.

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From: sdy@bcstec.boeing.com (Ugly Bag of Mostly Water)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: making emacs on DECstation/ULTRIX 4.2a
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:29:04 GMT
Distribution: gnu
Organization: Ringworld


Setup:
   DECstation 5000, ULTRIX UWS 4.2a, GNU emacs 18.58

Problems:

   1. /usr/include/X11/bitmaps/* doesn't exist

      Release Notes seem to indicate that the bitmap files were deleted and R3
      is no longer supported -- since they are bitmap include files I just
      copied them from some other machine (a sparc 1) and they seemed to work
      ok. 

   2. src/xmakefile uses -loldX in LIBX definition, which doesn't exist.

      I tried deleting the reference to -loldX and go the following error
      messages:

Undefined:
XCreateAssocTable
XLookUpAssoc
XDestroyAssocTable
XMakeAssoc
*** Error code 1

Stop.


Has anyone managed to get this to run on a similar setup?
I'm pretty sure that I could make a non-X version and just run it inside of an
xterm -- but I wonder how much of GNU is R3 dependant or is my DECstation
just brain-dead ? =)

steve.

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From: rudis+@cs.cmu.edu (Rujith S DeSilva)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: Cursor Position Status
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:50:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BxExrs.5r5.1
Distribution: cis,njit,nj,usa
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Nov8.180255.18334@njitgw.njit.edu> irwin@earth.njit.edu (scott
skiba) writes:
>Is there a macro available to show the current line and column position of
>the cursor on the Emacs status bar? This is especially useful while in C or
>Electric-C buffer mode. Currently, I am using the C-x-l key binding to track
>down the line number for compilation errors.

This topic seems to come up periodically.  I don't know how to do what you
want, but let me say how I manage perfectly happily without it.

Firstly, I use `compile' within emacs, and then `next-error' (bound by default
to C-x `) automatically takes me to the correct line on the correct file.

Secondly, rather than using `what-line,' you could use `goto-line.'  In
C-mode, `fill-region,' bound by default to M-g, is rather useless, so I
re-bind M-g to `goto-line.'

Finally, if you knew all the above, and still want to have the current-line
and column-position, you could use the functions `current-column' (this is not
interactively callable) and `what-line' to hack it up.  Good luck.

Rujith de Silva.
Carnegie Mellon.
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From: garath@engin.umich.edu (Scott Grosch)
Subject: Finding who owns a file
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 23:52:49 EST
Organization: University of Michigan


I am trying to find a very quick way to find out if the person running
emacs is logged into the display of the machine.  Any ideas?  The only
thing I can think to do is find out who owns /dev/console, but I'm not sure
how to do that.  Can anyone send me some elisp to do it?  Thanks.

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From: guenther@stolaf.edu (Philip A Guenther)
Subject: Re: vi:less::emacs:what?
Organization: Academic Computing Center, St. Olaf College
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:47:44

In article <17123@borg.cs.unc.edu> harris@chopin.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris) writes:
   In article <17113@borg.cs.unc.edu> harris@morisot.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris) writes:
   Others noted that less allows emacs bindings.  That's good, and that's
   why I use less usually.  But I _don't_ want the vi key bindings there,
   for some mailers and things I use that I'd like to use the pager with
   need the vi bindings for other things.

Check out lesskey.  It comes with less and allows you to define your
own set of key bindings.  The manpage tells all.

   I would think there would be some pager around for which the source is
   in the public domain and I could remove the extraneous key
   bindings...does GNU have a pager?  Haven't heard of one, but that
   hardly means there isn't one.

The source for less *is* availible.  less isn't under the GPL but it
may be public domain (anybody to confirm this?).  Anyway, you can get
the source from prep.ai.mit.edu in the /pub/gnu directory.

Philip Guenther
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"Life makes sense?  LIFE MAKES SENSE!!?  Where do people get these ideas?"-me
From: hermit@cats.UCSC.EDU (William R. Ward)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Obtaining Emacs distribution files for Demacs
Date: 4 Nov 92 21:19:26
Organization: Computing and Telecommunications Services, UCSC
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu

Demacs comes without most of the default Emacs distribution files.  I
would like to get these, or at least a lot of them.  However, I am
daunted by the idea of ftping the entire distribution and extracting
the relevant .el files.

Is there a way I can ftp just the .el files I need?  The "lisp-dir"
package refers only to the distribution package, not to any ftp sites.

Does anyone have any ideas about how to do this?
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From: dee@skipper.physics.sunysb.edu (James Dee)
Subject: emacs
Organization: Gatewayed from the GNU Project mailing list help-gnu-emacs@prep.ai.mit.edu
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 04:45:43 GMT

Hi there,

I am running GNU Emacs 18.58 on an SGI Iris 4D.  Many of my users are
familiar with the VAX editor edt, which emulation is of course built in
to emacs.  Proper emulation of edt requires use of the keypad, so keys
have to be rebound.  I have a nice vt100 X resource file that binds
XTerm keypad keys to the proper DEC sequences, so if emacs is run with
the -nw qualifier in one of these windows, everything works great.

Unfortunately, if I run emacs without the -nw qualifier and open another
window, it uses xwsh instead of xterm, so I don't have the proper key
bindings.  Moreover, I don't believe it's actually possible to bind the
keypad in xwsh, only certain function keys.

What I would like to do is somehow tell emacs to use xterm instead of
xwsh when it brings up its window.  Then everything will be fine.  Is
there a LISP variable that can be set to change this (perhaps even an
environment variable or an X resource), or will I have to recompile?

Thanks a lot.

					--Jimmy Dee
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From: rig@eng.umd.edu (Ronald Greenberg)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: RMAIL extensions
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:49:00 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park


Hmm, I think this is the newsgroup on which I spotted an article
asking about RMAIL extensions and I asked if there is a facility for
writing a message to a specified position (e.g. before message 10) in
an RMAIL file (meaning really into the buffer for another RMAIL file
being visited).  Unfortunately, I've taken a little while to get back
to reading this newsgroup, and messages seem to be expiring very
quickly at my site, so I don't see any trace of discussion on the
subject.  If I've missed it, I'd appreciate it if people who posted
information could e-mail it to me directly.  Thanks.
-- 

Ronald I. Greenberg	(Ron)		rig@eng.umd.edu
From: neitzel@ips.cs.tu-bs.de (Martin Neitzel)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: why emacsclient?
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:30:51 GMT
Organization: Inst. f. Informatik, TU Braunschweig, FRG


> emacsclient is primarily of use in a multi-window environment

Yes.  Or if you have job control.

Let me add that emacsclient won't work across hosts, something not
unlikely to be found in a "multi-window environment", and that
a variant called "gnuserv" addresses this problem.

[And that MY .login sez "setenv EDITOR ed; setenv VISUAL ed".
Just to be authorized to call you "wimps!" when I'm in a bad mood.]

						Martin Neitzel
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From: tds@hoserve.att.com (Tony DeSimone)
Subject: Re: HELP: function insert current date and time into buffer
Reply-To: tds@hoserve.att.com (Tony DeSimone)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:38:43 GMT
	<RON.92Nov12140956@wc18.yorku.ca>

>>>>> On Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:09:56 GMT, ron@wc18.yorku.ca (Ron Sheese) said:

Ron> Hi, all,

Ron> Is there a function in emacs which can insert the current date and
Ron> time into current buffer?

This is what I have in my .emacs, to make things like [tds 92/11/12 15:38].

(defconst month-number-alist 
  '(("Jan" . "01") ("Feb" . "02") ("Mar" . "03")
    ("Apr" . "04") ("May" . "05") ("Jun" . "06")
    ("Jul" . "07") ("Aug" . "08") ("Sep" . "09")
    ("Oct" . "10") ("Nov" . "11") ("Dec" . "12"))
  "assoc list of months/numeric string numbers.")

(defun insert-date-stamp ()
  "Put date-stamp at point."
  (interactive)
  (let ((date (current-time-string)))
    (insert "[" (getenv "USER") " " 
	    (substring date -2 nil)	; yyyy
	    "/"
	    (cdr (assoc (substring date 4 7)
			month-number-alist)) ; MM
	    "/"
	    (let ((d (substring date 8 9)))
	      (if (equal d " ") "0" d))
	    (substring date 9 10)	; d
	    " "
	    (substring date 11 13)	; hh
	    ":"
	    (substring date 14 16)	; mm
	    "]")))
(global-set-key "\C-cd" 'insert-date-stamp)

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From: ron@wc18.yorku.ca (Ron Sheese)
Subject: Re: in search for RMAIL extensions
Organization: /writer/wcfac/ron/.organization
	<Bx8w7q.4EM.1@cs.cmu.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:30:44 GMT

I would like to find a way changing the primary rmail file ~/RMAIL to
~/Rmail/RMAIL and the default output rmail file as ~/Rmail/XMAIL
instead of ~/XMAIL.

Thanks,

--
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ming he		ron@reader.yorku.ca
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From: sysjmm@idun.albany.edu (jayen malde)
Subject: Font display
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 18:52:40 GMT


Hi,

We have gnu-emacs (18.55) running on our cluster. A few of the emacs users
asked me the following question:

If a user puts a "printing" high ASCII code (hex range A0-FF) and if the 
current font is an 8 bit font, then how can we tell the emacs screen-display
to display the code in the font rather than display an octal version of it.

Being a novice emacs user myself, I am not sure how to do it myself.
Any help/suggestion from anyone will be greatly appreciated. 

=============================================================================
                              Jayen Malde
                              SUNY at Albany
                              (518) 442-3711
                              jmm080@csc.albany.edu
=============================================================================
From: harvey@bucknell.edu (Mike Harvey)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: rmail
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:35:00 GMT
Reply-To: harvey@bucknell.edu
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.cs.bucknell.edu

We have recently upgraded from 18.57 to 18.58, and one of the users at my site
has noticed a difference in the behavior of rmail:

   Something is different in rmail.

   Suppose I am resonding to someone's message via "r".  I want to
   include their message so I yank it with C-c C-y.  Then I decide to
   reformat the message because some of the lines are now too long.  I
   use C-c C-q to do this.  Previously, this would just reformat the body
   of the message.  Now it is reformatting the header too, moving all the
   header lines into a "paragraph".  What has changed?

I have also noticed this behavior in 18.59.

Any ideas on why C-c C-q acts like this, or how to correct it?


Mike Harvey
Systems Engineer
Bucknell University
Lewisburg, Pa 17837
harvey@sol.cs.bucknell.edu
From: tfa+@pitt.edu (Tawfig F Alrabiah)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: compilation in emacs
Date: 10 Nov 92 05:01:55 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: tfa@unixd1.cis.pitt.edu


Is there any good initialization file to improve the compilation of
a program in gnu-emacs.


Tawfig
From: ratinox@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Richard Pieri)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: auto-fill-mode vs. fill-column: Just not work!!!
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:16:07 GMT
Reply-To: ratinox@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu
Organization: 3WA, Boston Office. Or Nu Meta Chi. Take your pick.
X-Posting-Software: GNUS 3.14.1 [ NNTP-based News Reader for GNU Emacs ]
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>>>>> In article <BxMLs3.BFB@news.iastate.edu>, song@iastate.edu
>>>>> (Chang-Hyeon Song) writes:

CS> I have been struggling with this about an hour and I quit.

CS> In my .emacs file,

CS> (setq text-mode-hook '(lambda () (setq fill-column 78)))
CS> (setq text-mode-hook '(lambda () (auto-fill-mode 1)))

Should be:

(setq text-mode-hook
      '(lambda ()
        (setq fill-column 78)
        (auto-fill-mode 1)))

All the others should be changed appropriately.

--Rat
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                                                              --Braindance, Now
From: brennan@hal.com (Dave Brennan)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: citing news and mail
Date: 09 Nov 92 23:11:07 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Austin, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: hysteria.hal.com
In-reply-to: picasso@bass.bu.edu's message of 6 Nov 92 21:21:45 GMT

>>>>> On 6 Nov 92 21:21:45 GMT, picasso@bass.bu.edu (David Ondzes) said:

> Is there a way to automatically indent something with ">"?

You should get Supercite:

	   GNU Emacs Lisp Code Directory Apropos -- "cite"
"~/" refers to archive.cis.ohio-state.edu:/pub/gnu/emacs/elisp-archive/

supercite (2.2)	      91-06-29
     Barry A. Warsaw, <bwarsaw@cen.com>
     ~/packages/sc-2.2.tar.Z
     Mail and news citation package.

--
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From: Hamish.Macdonald@x400gate.bnr.ca (Hamish Macdonald)
Subject: Re: Byte-Compiling emacs load files
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 14:05:16 GMT

>>>>> On Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:26:24 GMT,
>>>>> In message <1992Nov10.162624.13800@bnr.ca>,
>>>>> mac@bnr.ca (Michael Campbell) wrote:

Michael> I have recently been compiling some "extensions" to my
Michael> standard emacs environment, particularily the hexl hex
Michael> editing mode, and the evi vi emulator.  At one point, someone
Michael> who sent me an email suggested that if I first loaded the .el
Michael> file, and *then* compiled the function, the resultant .elc
Michael> file was "faster", "more efficient", etc.  [...]

Michael> Is there any truth to this?  If there is, why is the result
Michael> better than just directly compiling the unloaded file?  Any
Michael> and all insight would be greatly appreciated.  Please post
Michael> replies to this newsgroup.

I believe that it is Emacs Lisp macros which make a difference.  If
the macros are defined when the code is compiled, the resulting
byte-code is more efficient.  In some cases, the byte-compiled code
won't even work if it the source file was not loaded before it was
compiled.
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From: choo@cs.yale.edu (Young-il Choo)
Subject: Re: in search for RMAIL extensions
Organization: Yale Univ Computics
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:26:26 GMT

In article <RON.92Nov12123044@wc18.yorku.ca> ron@wc18.yorku.ca (Ron Sheese) writes:

Ron> I would like to find a way changing the primary rmail file ~/RMAIL to
Ron> ~/Rmail/RMAIL and the default output rmail file as ~/Rmail/XMAIL
Ron> instead of ~/XMAIL.

Put the following in your .emacs or rmail-load-hook

(setq rmail-file-name "~/Rmail/RMAIL"
      rmail-last-rmail-file "~/Rmail/XMAIL")

See the appropriate documentation for these variables.

-- Young-il
From: shite@sinkhole.unf.edu (Stephen Hite)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Anyone get 18.59 up on a Harris Night Hawk?
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:04:37 GMT
Organization: Univ. of North Florida


   Thanks for the pointers...we desperately need it. 

Steve Hite
shite@sinkhole.unf.edu
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From: ratinox@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Richard Pieri/Stainless Steel Rat)
Subject: Re: emacs problem
X-Posting-Software: GNUS 3.14.1 [ NNTP-based News Reader for GNU Emacs ]
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Organization: 3WA, Boston Office. Or Nu Meta Chi. Take your pick.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:52:40 GMT

>>>>> "CY" == Chao Yuan <yuan@cs.columbia.edu> writes:

CY> 	I meet such an emacs.18.59 problem in Sun IPX, which is using SunOS
CY> 4.1.2. When I start emacs, say "emacs -fn 9x15bold", the system will
CY> treat the "-fn" and "9x15bold" as two file names, though the font can
CY> be actually set to 9x15bold. 

][t sounds like you didn't compile the X extensions. Double check your
documentation for compiling xemacs.

--Rat
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From: abo@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Andy Abo)
Subject: Need mailiases in vm
Summary: How do I setup address aliases in vm?
Keywords: mailias vm
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:46:01 GMT

How can I setup email address aliases in vm?  Something like:

bob -> robertj@cory.berkeley.edu

So when I mail "bob" it gets sent to the long email address.
I know this can be done for mail(1) in the .mailrc file.
Does vm have something similar? Thanks.

Andy
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From: song@iastate.edu (Chang-Hyeon Song)
Subject: auto-fill-mode vs. fill-column: Just not work!!!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:11:59 GMT

I have been struggling with this about an hour and I quit.

In my .emacs file, 

(setq text-mode-hook '(lambda () (setq fill-column 78)))
(setq text-mode-hook '(lambda () (auto-fill-mode 1))) 

(setq tex-mode-hook '(lambda () (setq fill-column 88)))
(setq text-mode-hook '(lambda () (auto-fill-mode 1))) 

(setq latex-mode-hook '(lambda () (setq fill-column 88)))
(setq latex-mode-hook '(lambda () (auto-fill-mode 1))) 

(setq outline-mode-hook '(lambda () (setq -fill-column 87)))
(setq outline-mode-hook '(lambda () (auto-fill-mode 1))) 


One thing I have recognize is that if I set something in text mode, everything
in tex and latex mode was set accordingly.
Whe I tried to set auto-fill-mode, now in every mode fill-column became default
, which is 70.

But when I can set fill-column accordingly, now I can't get auto-fill-mode.
I have to M-x auto-fill-mode manually.

What did I do wrong?
Thanks in advance.

        +----------------------------------------------------------+
        |      Chang-Hyeon Song     |      song@iastate.edu        |
        |   Iowa State University   |       (515) 292-2209         |
        +----------------------------------------------------------+

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From: shawn@litsun.epfl.ch (Shawn Koppenhoefer)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,bit.listserv.cwis-l
Subject: WWW (world wide web) emacs mode???
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:02:31 GMT
Reply-To: shawn@litsun.epfl.ch
Followup-To: gnu.emacs.help
Distribution: gnu
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne



I've been trying to find an emacs interface for WWW running under
emacs. The closest I've gotten is to install the "hyperbole" package
for hypertext under emacs... with this package comes the file
"hsys-www.el" which says:

;; FILE:         hsys-www.el
;; SUMMARY:      Hyperbole support for WorldWide Web (WWW) document browsing.
;; USAGE:        GNU Emacs Lisp Library

but to use,.. it requires that www be installed/configured so that the
final part of the prompt is a line beginning with "==> ". 

my question is: is there another www interface for emacs?
	      OR
	        how can I modifify www to do what hsys-www.el is
		asking me to do?? (note the cross posting of this
		message )


--
on a related note:
are there emacs interfaces for wais and gopher??

--



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It is the datum solemnlyh recorded, earnestly explained,m 
vehemently defended, and then never seen again. 
The annals of science are filled with mistakes of this 
kind. In a famous 1953 ledtrue, the Nobel chemist 
Irving Langmuir called this kind of research 
"pathalogical science":"the science of things 
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