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Subject: Thamil
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:06:32 GMT

From: an7559@anon.penet.fi
>It is a sad thing that Tamils of Sri Lanka have to fight for their 
>independence. Losses are expected, and even if the freedom is won it might take
>years, or even decades to build back the country. The fighters are not stupids.
>The evidences are the struggle of SriLankan army and the defeat of the powerful
>Indian army in the soils of Jaffna.


What do u mean by defeat of the powerful Indian army ?

They why are u people crying that your so called tamil Eelam dream was
shattered by the presence of Indian army?? 
 
>But why are they fighting? Just a blood
>thirst activity of a gang of adolecences? No, this is again a trait of the
>ancient Thamil civilisation. The history itself will show evidences where
>Thamils were fighting for their rights and freedom. Many scriptures that have
>been adopted by Thamils have taught them that accepting slavery is the worst
>sin of everything. Mahakavi Bharathi didn't compose his fine songs just for
>some moviemakers and record producers to make money of them.

Agreed. 

>Ahimsa may be a good idea, but strictly depends on where and when to
>apply. When you are attacked by a lion while you are travelling through a
>forest, are you going to observe Sathyagraha to escape from that animal?
>There is a Thamil prose some of you may remember, that gives the meaning: "the
>one who always surrender to continuous attack and also the one who continuosly
>attacks the one who tolerates it, both are stupids." Some scholars may come up
>with the excact phrase, but as long as you remember that it is fine.

Non violence will work. Take history. How many groups have got freedom
by following violence ?? You are not clear with the meaning of
sathyagraha. Ahimsa is indeed a deadly weapon than violence. What type of
ahimsa methods did u people follow against SL govt. ? Tell me. Just
by one or two persons fasting until death cannot be called Ahimsa. It 
should be followed by masses. That is not possible among SL tamils 
because u have different groups among yourself. First, try to be united.
Then u can try having a seperate country.


>The Thamils of Ceylon didn't start this war on a sudden urge. Anybody
>who claims that way prove that they were ignorant of whatever happening in
>Ceylon and then in Sri Lanka, or who do not have any idea of the History of the
>region. Who can forget the Sathyagrahas of 1958 and 1961? Also, the incidents
>of the communal riots SHOULD teach some lessons. Isn't that a form of ethnic
>cleansing? The mobs were looking for Thamils with a list of Thamil families
>(electoral list) in hand. This didn't stop with the first one but advanced
>further. Not a single Thamil showed any resistance during these occasions, but
>simply fled.

Fleding does not fall under the category of Ahimsa my friend.


> In '58 people didn't have any problem once they reached Jaffna,
>but in the subsequent incidents, the armed forces were waiting with a "warm"
>reception when these people took refuge in Jaffna. Who can deny that?



>When India helped the ones who fled the country then the Thamils
>thought that they have a genuine helping hand. But slowly when they realised
>that it was merely from self interest they felt betrayed. The main threat that
>Thamils were/are facing is the forced colonisation. 

Forced colonisation. Again a typical LTTE blame !!! Already India has
more than 850 millions. If India was interested in forced colonisation,
it would not have let pakistan free after 3 wars, would not have helped
in the creation of Bangladesh. Indeed, I agree that India did have its 
own interest in sending IPKF into Sri Lanka. Have u heard of the
setting up of American base in triconmalee and India and Russia not
interested in it ?? May be not. If u have heard of it, u will not
talk about forced colonisation. India is not interested to increase its
own problems by colonising your country.

>When this was carried out
>with the blessings of the Indian Peace Keeping Force it opened the eyes of the
>'victims'. Eventually they realised that India will back any group if they 
>become 'puppets' of the Indian administrators. Evidences are: Few groups were
>adviced to surrender their arms but some other groups were recruited for
>further training in India. Tamilnad was not the venue for the training so 
>suspicions will be avoided.

I accept what IPKF did in SL was not acceptable. But you people created
a new theory that IPKF entered SL to destroy LTTE and Tamils. Did IPKF
enter for that reason ? Think about it. I do not think u will think about
it. IPKF did enter on its own interest and Rajiv did have plans to
implement the peace accord. But it flopped. Once it flopped who started
the physical war ?? Was in IPKF or LTTE ?? LTTE started planting the
landmines again after 12 LTTEians committed suicide. Result, IPKF 
soilders lost life. War started. Several civilians were killed in
cross-fire. LTTE soilders hid in civilian houses. Result, killing of
several innocent civilians !!! A mistake by IPKF which was a lesson 
to India. BTW, your last sentence does not make any sense.

>Why should they train them? Well, India needed this rivalry between
>Thamils and Sinhalese in the region otherwise they cannot act as the self
>appointed Police of the region. Therefore any peace effort without India's
>participation to be stopped.

Oh, what a theory ? Again a theory defined by LTTE against India.
But most of the theories defined by LTTE to gain popularity among the
thamils remain unproved.

>Recently, a group of politicians from various
>western countries, from all parties, were visiting Sri Lanka in the troubled
>regions and subsequently released a joint report on the issue. A western advice
>and intervention will definitely quash any gainings for India from the troubled
>waters! Whenever there is an attempt by the Sinhala govt. to deal politically
>with the Thamils of north, you can see a stir in Indian politics: atleast some
>new evidence will open up in Tamilnad against Jaffna Thamil.

Another theory !!!! Already India has its own problems in India at the
moment. Why the hell India should bother about the Sri Lankan problem ?
By preventing peace talks, what is India going to gain? Does India
feel that it is a threat to her ???? Right now India is not in a
position to go for peace talks with other countries since peace is in
danger in India itself !!!

>If Kittu had met with the leaders in Jaffna and Colombo, then there
>will be further developments in peace activities. The recent meetings of
>several religious leaders from south and LTTE leaders and the subsequent lines
>of talks were encouraging. If the western interest falls on the region (not the
>type we find in Iraq- there is NO USA involvement here!) then why should Sri
>Lanka need the advice of India anymore. She can get better benefits from the
>west for further economic developments. This might have triggered the fear
>switch in India. They had to stop this at any price! There shall not be any
>peaceful solutions if they want to gain anything. A trouble free Sri Lanka 
>means economic stability (the brains back into action) and again a threat for
>Indian administration and businessmen. Moreover, if LTTE unites with the
>Sri Lanka army, then India may lose her privilege of free movements in the
>indian oceon. The days of Indian fishermen getting caught in SriLankan waters
>by Navy may come again, and this time it will be LTTE so there will be no
>running and escaping business.


manasae urikkitteenga ponga!!!! what a theory. BTW, it was again an
accusation by LTTE that Kittu was killed by Indian navy. Kittu was
thrown away from Switzerland, UK and other contries and was not granted
asylum. Had he gone for peace talks, why the hell did other countries
throw him away ? What is the proof that Indian navy killed Kittu ?
Just by Indian nnavy interfering Kittu's ship does not mean that Indian
navy killed Kittu. U mentioned that SL govt. and LTTE are now going
well with the peace talks. Then why the hell did the SL govt. say that
Kittu was travelling in a ship with arms and set his ship ablaze when
Indian army interefered. The SL govt. could have said that India again
prevented any peace talks by killing Kittu !!! This is again a propaganda 
LTTE to gain the popularity of SL tamils. Anyway India is less bothered
about it.  Its really funny to hear that India is afraid of SL being
stronger in economy !!! I pity your for your terrific thinking process
which has no value or meaning.
 
>Therefore, any future attempts, struggle or peace talks, shall be
>carried out with extra care.

Good. Try to hold peace talks with your SL sinhalese brothers with
extra care here after. I am now glad to hear that LTTE and tamils who
were only forcing for a seperate country so far, have come down and
have started asking for atleast a seperate stae. Thats good news. I hope
your continued effort to bring peace talks succeeds. I have always and 
will always wish that India should not interfere in your affairs. 
Similarly I expect the same fro your side. Do not expect anything from
us and particularly from tamil nadu.

> Kittu's demise should bring many things to the
>surface. Atleast the western country will now realise what kind of a situation
>the Thamils are facing. Ealam or no Ealam, it shall be decided by Thamils of
>Ealam(Ceylon). Voice of Sinhalese can be considered but now the lesson is 
>learnt, so the true friends and enemies can be distinguished.  

Good. This is what people call as "learning by reward and punishment".

Do not interfere or have any relationships with us. Take back your
tamils living in India. They are living on our money. Do not have any
contacts with us. Do not see our movies. Do not get our spices.
Do not read our books.  That is ahimsa. As India duirng independance
stopped getting or buying any English goods, u also stp getting anmy from
India. That will be a good lesson to India and will help you to have
peace talks and get freedom.
 According to LTTE agent Ranjith Ravindranath Suresh, Tamil 
culture in India is degrading and Tamil culture in SL is flourishing.
So try to be away from us. Else, your culture (??!!!) will also degrade.
I saw your tamil culture when I attended the World conference on tamil
culture in Sydney. Oh !!! terrific.

May god bless you all and we wish your dreams of having a seperate 
country (???!!!) comes true.
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Above reply is an example of ignorance of many people in the history of South
East Asian countries. Blame everything on LTTE; Everybody other than LTTE are
innocent. People supports the cause of Tamils are LTTE agents. What else?
Cultural degradation or cultural stagnation? Indians are living off the names
of their freedom fighters: Gandhi, Patel etc. What do they do to advance their
culture other than building temples for movie actors and electing them as
ruling members. They may say that Reagan was a film star too. But he didn't
use cinema to come to power. He was a lousy actor and didn't earn any name in
his acting career.

	Forced colonisation is not a myth. It was one of the reason why Thamils
are pushed to seek freedom. Go and tell Somalians that their cry for food is
fake and what they really want is power! Wake up guys. Don't droodle on your
forefathers' fame. 

	What happened to the people who united as a mass under ahimsa during
4th International World Conference in Tamil held in Jaffna in 1974? The peace-
ful meeting held in a public place was interrupted by armed forces. Women and
children were beaten up by those thugs. Not a single hand was raised by the 
victims. Later when a monument was erected in their own land, armed forces
demolished the monument IN PRE-DAWN HOURS. So for your ahimsa. If they had
adopted the ahimsa, then by this time they would have lost their voting power,
lands, education everything. 

	On numerous occations late SJV.Chelvanayagam pressed for round table
conferences on federalism but was laughed off. There is no point in giving 
these details because people who are interested already know about it, and
those who spend their time in progressive and productive ways such as 
collecting the names of movies of certain actors and filling the satelite 
times with verses from movie songs will not bother to understand. The world
is not going to end because of you, it will go on ignoring you: leaving you
wherever you are!!
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