From: amy@lloyd.Camex.COM (Amy Lindsay)
Subject: Re: Questions: logbook entries at cross country stops
Organization: Camex Inc., Boston MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:20:49 EST

In article <1992Dec30.175328.26219@peck.com> geoff@peck.com (Geoff Peck) writes:
>In article <C02109.32y@acsu.buffalo.edu> hull@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU (Jon Hull)
>writes:
GP>I assume you're referring to 61.109(b)(3).
>
JH>> My questions are:  
>> 
JH>> 1.  Are the landings required to be to a full stop?  
>
GP>No.

Well, actually, my copy of the FARs says they have to be, but it's only a
'92... maybe it's a typo.

JH>> 3.  As long as we're on the topic, where does it say that
JH>>     such a corroborating endorsement is required for
JH>>     any of the cross country flights?  
>
GP>No such corroborating signature is required.  Much of aviation is done
GP>on the honor system.  And if someone catches you in a fib, the consequences
GP>can be severe (suspension or revocation of your certificate).

My instructor said it was "a good idea" but not because he needed any
corroboration, but simply because he knew that when I started flying the
only pilots I knew were the ones from the flight school, and he thought it
was good for me to talk to other people.  (This was also about the time I
noticed that everyone else "had to" do something, but for me, it was always
phrased as a suggestion... hmm...)

Of course, I got no end of grief when one of the guys I asked to sign my
logbook asked someone else doing a cross-country in the same plane to the
same destination if they knew me...

GP>Unless you expect to be flying under very unusual circumstances, I suggest
GP>that as a student pilot you get _substantial_ experience at both controlled
GP>and uncontrolled fields.  That means probably at least a half dozen solo

I would like to very strongly second this.  I fly out of a controlled
airport, and I insisted on doing additional cross country work to
uncontrolled airports (solo, mostly) simply because I wanted to get used to
the radio work.  On one of my trips to an uncontrolled field, a place which
I hadn't been to before, I "discovered" that my instructor and I had never
talked how to figure out where to park, so I wasn't sure if I was parking
in transient parking, or if I had "stolen" someone's parking space...

>flights (and probably as many dual flights) into and out of several
>different controlled airports, plus at least a few "very full" stops --
>stops where you actually go tie down the aircraft, get out, do some stuff,
>and then get back in.  If you don't do this, you won't be well-prepared to
>operate at controlled airports when you do get your private pilot
>certificate.

One of the things I discovered after getting my license was that you could
actually get out the line of sight of the plane, eat lunch, hang out a bit,
and then leave.  Up until that point I was so focused on the actual flying
that most of the slot I had rented the aircraft for I spent in the air.
(My instructor lived on food from vending machines and therefore never ate,
but he's young... I have yet to convince him that things such as sushi are
actual food, and can be eaten.)

Anyway, since then I've been trying to work on spending more time actually
at the destination.  It's a dirty job... and we all must have goals.

					--amy
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