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From: Deana.Roberts@f9264.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Deana Roberts)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Editorial Feelings
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:39:10 GMT
Reply-To: Deana.Roberts@f9264.n203.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:203/9264 - Your BBS, Sacramento CA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25466

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

"I could tell I hurt his feelings"

I am sorry but I have different feelings on this subject.  In
general I am very liberal in what I allow with my Guide Dog, and
that school (Guide Dogs of San Rafael), is rather specific on the
rule, when a dog has it's harness on it is working.  Specifically,
if someone wants to touch the dog, you first put them in sit and
then the person can pet them, but hopefully they have asked your
permission first.  I have seen dogs ruined by people coming up and
touching petting playing with and in this particular situation
actually getting down on their knees and throwing their arms around
the dogs neck.  In this case, the girl was too young and the dog
was too high strung and it's training just went out the window.  My
dogs have always been calmer models of decorem, but then again, I
tend to get just a bit (uh humm well, depends on my mood and the
person), about people and my dog.

If people don't have sense enough to know that your dog just like
your kid is not public property then at least as far as MY dog is
concerned they'd better learn in a quick hurry.  I can think of one
incident in particular.  I was walking through a outdoor mall.  Now
this mall has transients in it (Sacramento is known for this
problem), and so you keep alert if you are smart.

Anyway, I was walking with a friend with the dog just keeping pace
on leash.  All of a sudden the dog just stops walking. I turn
around to see what is happening and here is this guy bent over with
his hands on my dog.  Now I'm a total, so I can't tell what he is
doing (I don't see his hands right off), so I don't know if he is
petting the dog, feeding it, or trying to unhook the leash.  My
immediate impulse is to push this guy right on his rear end, I had
my hands on his shoulders and was preparing to do so when a smarter
person than the idiot I was dealing with started yelling, "His bag
is caught!".  Now why couldn't this guy simply have said something
to me before starting to mess with my dog?  A dog is like a
friendly child.

They don't know if someone is trying to hurt them or what and it is
the owner's responsibility to protect them.  It is also to your
advantage to guard that dog from spoiling.  If it loses it's
training you have to give it up, and it's 2 to 4 weeks out of your
life going back to get another one, not to mention the heart break
of giving up a special friend.

So don't feel too bad for snapping.  I agree that the next time you
could make a point of letting the guy pet the dog, but I still
don't think you should feel too bad.

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From: dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil (Jude DaShiell)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: good speech friendly editors
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:03:53 GMT
Reply-To: dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil (Jude DaShiell)
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25554

Try the latest version of vde.  In its default mode it
won't talk with bios but will do direct screen
writes which is not what we need.
However you need to run vinst with vde in the same subdirectory and
turn off direct screen writes then everything works just fine.

Vde is a wordstar clone and wordstar came from a cp/m environment and
in that environment bios writes were all that was available.
Wordstar like vde is still true to its roots and isn't that large either.
As for e88 I used to use it but gave up on it since I found that it
consistently messed up my files.  It would put tab characters into the
files where I hadn't put them.  I wouldn't know this except for
a duxbury program called astest which is used to evaluate files to
find out if they're true ascii and astest told me all about what e88 had
done.  Unfortunately I made the mistake of registering e88.  So you see
not all blind people are software pirates.  Neither are all blind people
right about the best software to register.

jude <dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil>
Never apologize for being blind.  If you are ever
pressured to do so just tell the jerks to take it up with
God when they see her.
From: rmi1@cornell.edu (Ryan M.Ismert)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Virtual Reality
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:56:23 GMT
Reply-To: rmi1@cornell.edu(Ryan M.Ismert)
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25442

I understand that you may be interested or involved with Virtual
Reality.  If you are and have some extra time on your hands I would
very much enjoy hearing from you.  My name is Ryan Ismert.  I am a
freshman at Cornell University, in Ithaca, New York.  I will be
persuing dual degrees in Neurobiology and Electrical Engineering.
I am interested in building better hardware for VR systems.  Right
now I am also involved (I am on the Executive Board) in the Cornell
Bioengineering Society.

Whether you are a researcher, a professor, a business person, a
student like myself, or just another interested party, please go
ahead in contact me.  I would be interested in anything you have to
say.  I would love to hear about your research, your interests,
your studies... anything.

If I have left anything out, please forgive me.  This is somewhat
of a form letter.  Once again, if you have the time, please drop me
a letter.  I would be interested in maintaining the
correspondence.  Thank you.

                                Sincerely,
                                 Ryan M. Ismert
                                 rmi1@cornell.edu
From: Bill.Wise@f3.n157.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Wise)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Spelling prediction progr
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:08:32 GMT
Reply-To: Bill.Wise@f3.n157.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:157/3 - Nerd's Nook, Rocky River OH
X-Fidonet: Spinal Injury Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25497

[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

MO>i type using a mouthstick and such a program would sure speed up
MO>my writing. does anyone know about these?

There is a shareware program called Mind Reader that is a word
processor which includes word prediction.  It is available from
Brown Bag Software I have a copy around somewere that I could make
available for you.  It also has a calculator & address book and
will do mail merges.  If you are typing less than 5 WPN
(30char/min) this program should help.  If you are typing over 5WPM
then this might not be much help.  This program is also compatible
with one finger & access DOS.

Let me know if you have problems finding it.  I could mail or modem it.

Bill \\'ise
===
 * DeLuxe 1.1 #8809 * Murphy was an optimist!

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From: Curtis.Delzer@f9264.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Curtis Delzer)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: isn't if fun?
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:39:18 GMT
Reply-To: Curtis.Delzer@f9264.n203.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:203/9264 - Your BBS, Sacramento CA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25467

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

*** Quoting Ron Denis to Curtis Delzer dated 10-23-92 ***
> I have a rather simple set for pc-write 3.xx if any one wants it.
I think it is fun after adjusting all the parameters and the thing "talks,"
sort of like saying "hey look ma, no hands!"  I am finding out more and more
advantages of vocal-eyes every day compared to artic/vision's rather
andequated way of handling programs of different types.  The only thing that
is needed by vocal-eyes is window chaining which artic/vision has, and then
all I could say then is "wow!"  The manuals are certainly the most
comprehensive in the business, that's for sure!
Ron I am still so new at computers and have been either bbs-ing or running a
bbs that I haven't spent much time with a word processor or document creator
like pc/write, so right now I wouldn't need the set file for it, not even
having the program to begin with.  We need a good word-wrapping, all prompts
talking, simple text editor.  Q-edit's prompts don't spontaneously talk, and
as of yet I haven't spent any time figuring out how to make them do so, so I
normally use a speech friendly non word wrapping little editor called e88
which speaks all of it's prompts, even has search and replace, but can only
hold text files as large as my reserve ram, unlike most of the others which
aren't limited by ram size.  I need a all prompts speaking text editor--would
make it much easier to do all the tasks of maintaining a bbs, let alone some
serious writing I would like to do.  Word perfect and others word processors
aren't really needed, just a good editor, any ideas?

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From: RBANKS@UWSTOUT.EDU (Dick Banks)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: MAC HELP
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:03:37 GMT
Reply-To: RBANKS@UWSTOUT.EDU (Dick Banks)
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25553

Les Kriegler writes:

> A friend who is new to computers must learn the Macintosh
> environment for her job.  She has acquired OutSpoken, but is having
> difficulty in understanding and learning the product.  Any
> suggestions regarding resources and organizations that she might
> contact for assistance would be appreciated.  Any comments on the
> product itself, both pro and con would be helpful as well.

Hello Lee

      I noticed your query here and I wanted to take a moment to
      drop you a line.  I use and teach outSPOKEN to print
      handicapped individuals and outSPOKEN works well for the
      those who use it.

      It might help to be a little more specific as to what
      problems yur friend is having.  The "GO TO" an "Mark"
      command are the key to navigation.  Your friends being new
      to computers is an advantage.  I would be happy to hear
      from you with a little more detail as to the nature of the
      problems and what application(s) are being used.

      I sell outSPOKEN and I know a number of people throughout
      the country.  Perhaps there is someone I know near you.
      Drop me a note at the address below and prhaps I could be
      more help.

      Dick Banks
      Adaptive Technologist
      Library Learning Center
      University of Wisconsin-Stout
      rbanks@uwstout.edy
      bz420@cleveland.freenet.edu
From: xuegxac@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK (Mike Burleigh)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: SOUNDBEAM
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:02:30 GMT
Reply-To: xuegxac@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK (Mike Burleigh)
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25549

[Forwarded from the CHATBACK mailing list]

Hi CHATBACK people,

I have just been viewing a video demonstrating a new system to empower
the disabled and have to tell you all about it.

The 'SOUNDBEAM' uses a transducer to create a modifiable cone within which
a person's movements are translated into musical sounds.

The 'active' area of the beam can be set for gross or fine motor movements.
Thus kids can create their own music with either large bodily movements or
the active area of the beam can be focussed to enable a wheelchair bound
person for example to operate the full range of an electronic keyboard by
the movement of a finger.

The video gives some indication of the worlds that this can open up for the
disabled.

I was spell bound.

For further information contact:                        Technical info:
Tim Swingler              Edward Williams               Robin Wood
EMS Soundbeam             EMS Soundbeam                 EMS Soundbeam
87 Mill Hill Road         10 Cornwallis Crescent        Trendeal Vean Barn
Norwich NR2 3DR           Clifton                       Ladock
Tel +44 0603 631647        Bristol BS8 4PL              Cornwall TR2 4NW
                          Tel +44 0272 738024           Tel +44 0726 883265

To talk to someone who is using SOUNDBEAM contact:

Tony Ord, Calthorpe School, Birmingham  021 552 3373
Sally Silverman, Avon Service for Special Education Needs 0272 506838
Mark Gray, RNIB Training Officer 021 643 9912
Adam Okelford, RNIB Music Education Adviser 081 968 8600
Miles Pilling, St John's (SLD) School, Bedford 0234 345565
Colin Lovell, Ashmount school, Loughborough 0509 268506

report submitted by Mike Burleigh
==================================================================
=    Mike Burleigh         JANet <UBJVM6Q@CCS.BBK.AC.UK>         =
=  Director KIDLINK UK     KIDLINK <y0micbur@xon.co.uk>          =
=  Oldfield House School   Dialcom 10001:CLK003                  =
=  Oldfield Road           APC/GreenNet mikeb@gn.apc.org         =
=  Hampton                 Voice +44 81-941-3887 evening         =
=  Middlesex TW12 2HP            +44 81-979-5102 day             =
=  United Kingdom            fax +44 81-783-0207                 =
==================================================================
From: Joe.Chamberlain@p1.f175.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Chamberlain)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Sugar
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:08:23 GMT
Reply-To: Joe.Chamberlain@p1.f175.n150.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:150/175.1 - Busted Flush BBS, New Castle DE
X-Fidonet: Spinal Injury Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25496

[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

In a message to All <31 Oct 92 17:44> Derek Juntunen wrote:

 DJ> Does anyone here have any insight on using sugar on pressure
 DJ> sores?  I am facing surgery which I REALLY don't want to have.
 DJ> It would make my life much less stressful if I could heal without
 DJ> an operation.  Thanx.

I have heard of using powdered sugar on skin abrasions but nothing
more serious.  I have just recently heard of using potatoe skins
too.  For more serious openings somedoctors have even used
maggots.  I haven't used any of these methods.

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From: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com (Bill McGarry)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Mac and downloading files
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:29:28 GMT
Reply-To: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com (Bill McGarry)
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25447

> I am very new to working with E-Mail and BBS.  I own a Macintosh SE.
> Is there anyone that can tell me the steps I'd need to take to upload
> and download files?  I also need to know what to do after I receive the
> file.  How do I run the files?

If you are referring to downloading files from the Handicap News
ftp site, first you will need to find what program is being
used for the Mac as a "ftp" program.  If there are other
Mac users at your site, talk to them or to the system administrators.
You will want to ftp to (or "open") "handicap.shel.isc-br.com".
Once you are connected, you will be prompted for a login name. Type
in "anonymous".  For a password, just use your email address.
When you are back to the ftp prompt, type "binary" to ensure that
all of the files are transferred as binary files, not ascii text.
You are now in the "/pub" directory.  You can type "get index" and
the index file will be transferred to your local machine where
you can look at it and decide which files that you are interested in.
Each group of files is in a separate directory which is also listed
in the index.  For example, the issues of the Braille Monitor which
were just uploaded are in the /pub/monitor directory.  So type
"cd /pub/monitor" which will place you in that directory.  In
each directory, you can type "dir" to get a listing of the files in
that directory.  There is also an index file in each directory which
is always called 00-index.txt.  If you wanted the November issue of
the monitor which is called "brlm1192.zip", you would then type:
"get brlm1192.zip" and the file would be transferred to your machine.

To upload files, login in as "upload" rather than anonymous and
you will already be in the proper directory for uploading.  Be sure
to type "binary" and then type "send file_name" to send each file.

At the current time, I do not have any executable programs for the
Mac.  However the text files which are in ZIP form can be extracted
on the Mac.  There is an Mac unzip utility in the /pub/general
directory and the file name is UNZIP101.SIT.  You would need
to do a "get" of this program and then run it to extract the ZIP
files.

                                Bill McGarry

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From: Phil.Scovell@p0.f810.n104.z1.fidonet.org (Phil Scovell)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Car
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:39:47 GMT
Reply-To: Phil.Scovell@p0.f810.n104.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/810.0 - Electronic Library, Denver CO
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25471

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Curtis,

Thanks for your reply.

First, I have your address and will send you the October CW mag.

Then, also, thanks for your comments about driving and the like.  I guess
you most certainly have more of a reason to feel the emotions when it comes
to the car than perhaps I would under the circumstances.  It's funny, I mean
kind of strange though, because when I was a teenager, many of the sighted
instructers at the rehab for the blind suggested privately that the blind
guys consider marrying sighted women for, they said, obvious reasons.  The
few blind teachers we had, of course, would not have agreed with that
philosophy.  When I met my wife-to-be, I really wasn't interested in her
because she was blind and I figured I had enough blind problems of my own
without added her's to mine.  I was certainly wrong and now after being
married to the same blind woman for almost twenty-one years, I'm sure happy
I didn't listen to that stupid advice.

Phil.

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From: Ann.Sab@f605.n322.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Sab)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: HOME BUSINESS
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:38:23 GMT
Reply-To: Ann.Sab@f605.n322.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:322/605 - The Lighthouse, Leicester MA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25460

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

IF ANYONE IS LNOKING FOR A WAY TO EARN MO"NEY FROM HOME I RECOMMEND YOU
PUT ADS IN THESE BRAILLE MGAZINES?  1 :
TE MATILDA ZIEGLER MAGAZIOE FOR THE BLIND
20 WEST 17TH ST.
NEW YORK, NY 10011
OO
 OUR SPECIAL
NATIONAL BRAILLE PRESS, INC.
88 ST. STEPHEN ST.
BOSTON MA 02115
IN THE SPECIAL NOTICES SECTION. BOTH MAGS ARE IN BRAILLE BUT ZIEGLER
ALSO ON RECORDED DISK.
SOMETIMES I SELL SOMETHING THROUGGH THESE MAGS.

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From: Trained.Bear@f203.n161.z1.fidonet.org (Trained Bear)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Help With Signing
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:07:58 GMT
Reply-To: Trained.Bear@f203.n161.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:161/203 - DVMCC, Concord CA
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25493

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

JB>TB>JB> "On the night he was betrayed......"

JB>TB>   or just "last dinner" ?

JB>All good ideas.  Thanks TB.

If your pastor mentions that Jesus picked up the "Elijah Cup"
the cup set on the passover table for the messiah, please
don't try to spell out "Elijah"....we just sign "prophet cup".

Currently, I'm rewriting every hymn I sign into ASL-English.
I've got about 30 on disk now.
My pastor learned fast not to try to sing from MY hymnal.
:{)
 * SLMR 2.0 * Madness takes its toll.   Please have exact change.

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From: Pandora.Nigh@p0.f554.n157.z1.fidonet.org (Pandora Nigh)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: The act of voting
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:05:57 GMT
Reply-To: Pandora.Nigh@p0.f554.n157.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:157/554.0 - Analytical Engine B, Willoughby OH
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25480

 -=> Quoting Ken Weaverling to All <=-

      Hi Ken

 KW> I called the elections office, and they said that *I* would have to
 KW> accompany her into the booth and assist her.

      Under ADA they can't require you to assist her, they have to provide
    assistance. Now this doesn't mean a special voting booth but one of the
    poll people if requested has to help her vote. Because they do have
    absentee ballots they are given latitude in how much modification they
    have to do to the voting apparatus.
       Unfortunately your post arrived on election day. Hopefully one of the
    workers at the poll was on the ball and helped her. At least now you
    know that next time you can force the issue. If they don't want to
    help you inform them that you are regerstering a complaint and request
    for an investigation and prosecution with the Department of Justice.
    Then call the Board of Elections and demand that they provide someone
    to help her in the voting booth.
                                                Pandora

... RAM DISK is NOT an installation procedure!
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From: Carol.Ashland@p0.f319.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Ashland)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Chatting Online
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:37:59 GMT
Reply-To: Carol.Ashland@p0.f319.n105.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/319.0 - Mostly Mail, Aloha OR
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25457

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 DM> Anyway I am glad you don't feel...that I am eavesdropping on
 DM> your special echo. It can really provide an education.

No, I doubt that anyone would feel that way.  I personally feel that we
have an echo especially for blind people just to discuss things that
might not be of interest to others.  I don't feel that we, or any other
group, should be confined to any special areas, whether they be on the
nets, or in user groups.  Someone once asked me if I thought they should
form a special computer user group for blind people in Eugene.  I told
him to just join the local computer users' group, and form a sub-group
in that.  He chose to form his own little clique in any case.

I don't know; what do the rest of you feel about this?  Are there a lot
of computer user groups set up specifically for blind people?  I would
think it would be better for all concerned just to join a local group.
The blind people could learn from other users, as well as the other
users learning from the blind users.  I haven't had the courage to join
our local computer users' group though.

Carol

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