From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: Israeli Loan Guarantees
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:49:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.111256.16924@discus.technion.ac.il>,
davidba@carmel.technion.ac.il (David Ben_Ami) writes:
|>In article <1992Aug14.134659.25728@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad
|>Hernlem) writes:
|>>In article <1992Aug13.203425.5994@bony1.bony.com>, jake@bony1.bony.com
|>>(Jake Livni) writes:
|>>> In article <3568@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>
|>>aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
|>>> >I didn't see any postings in regard to Bush's latest ploy to
|>>> >obtain popular support - guaranteeing the $10 billion to
|>>> >Israel solely on Rabin's word of freezing settlement activity.
|>>>
|>>> Actually, Rabin has already frozen the settlement activity (you must
|>>> have missed a bunch of postings and international news) and the $10B
|>>> guarantee is only on Bush's word, so far.  It seems that you have
|>>> reality back to front again.
|>>>
|>>
|>>Actually, the settlements have not been frozen unless you consider
|>>continued construction on settlements already under construction, a
|>>"freeze". Also, there have been no guarantees, indeed it has been
|>
|>C'mon now, there's no use to stop buildings who are already practically
|>finished (only roof etc.). Thdey are "drying out" with all their force
|>they are frowning over building even in Jeruslaem (which they promised
|>they won't).
|>
|>>suggested otherwise, that there will be an end to all future
|>>construction in the occupied territories. I take Bush's move as a
|>>complete and total sell-out of the Palestinians; they are for all
|>>practical purposes "screwed". In my opinion, Bush's only salvation would
|>>be to pressure Israel to change its internal policies as follows:
|>
|>Haven't you heard of "Internal affairs" or "soverignty" - for the nth
|>time: Israel is not America's puppet.
|>Americans can expect influence but not submission.

Aw c'mon where's the fun in being leader of the new world order otherwise?


|>>1. Stop the deplorable policy of indefinite and perpetual detention of
|>>people without formal charges. As it is now, Israel can hold people for
|>>up to six months in prison without ever bringing charges on them and
|>>this arbitrary detention can be carried out numerous times.
|>
|>This is inde a very cruel measure but you cannot ignore the circumstances
|>that this is done in, i.e. continuous Terrorism in mass proportion.

Yep and look how useless this sort of measure has been in actually halting
anything. Internment turns protestors into hard core terrorists with contacts
with other like minded people. Look at northern ireland, Gerry Adams (Brownie)
produce the blue print of the "ballot bomb" strategy whilst interned in a
British jail.

|>>2. Either eliminate Israel's law of return or amend it to recognize the
|>>historical national presence of the Palestinians in the land that is now
|>>considered Israel. The law as it is written is racist and
|>>discriminatory; a Palestinian who was born in what is now Israel has no
|>>right to return to the land of their birth while a Jew who has never
|>>seen Israel has such a right!
|>
|>This is blatant intervention, Israel will not change its law of Return
|>to include Palestionians - We will not accept 4 million Plaestinians
|>(many of them are not really Palestinians , they immigrated to
|>Palestine from all over the Arab world - Sudan, Syria, Egypt, Iraq
|>We cannot accommodate all the Arabs in Israel).
|>The Law is nationalisdtic (at most) - there is no racial specifications
|>only religious (which in the Jewish case is actually national).

Unless Israel allows the return of those expelled during the formation of Israel
and the return of property confiscated there is not much chance of peace. 

|>I guess that Israel is the only focus of Human rights problems in the
|>Area - or is it the only one that will listen because of its higher
|>standards? 

Yep the rest are all run by dictators. Relative morality dosen't interest me
much. 

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Phill Hallam-Baker