From: jbw@ponder.csci.unt.edu (WEST JASON BRUCE)
Subject: Re: Ken's 4-Hit Touch of Death
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:18:48 GMT

In article <tmorris.724503021@bruny> tmorris@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Tim Morris) writes:
>> [Stacks of unrelated stuff the last guy didn't bother deleting, deleted]
>
>>   Talk about missing the damn point.  FOr the last time I am whining about
>>nothing.  I am simply stating the lack of balance in Ken/Ryus ability to
>>kill you off one hit.  Not "take half your energy" - but kill you. And Ryu's
>>3 hit does stun if you do it right.  I was just getting so sick of everyone
>>calling Bison "cheap" when Ken/Ryu obviosly have more unbalanced abilities.
>
>Bison is cheap, because all his effective strategies rely on high-power,
>no-skill moves.  If you're holding the machine using skill with, say,
>Honda, and some guy punches in with Bison, then you *know* what to 
>expect - torpedo/throw, scissor-kick combo, scissor-kick/throw, headstomp/
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                1                2                    3

1)  EASY to reverse.  If can't reverse this with Honda you suck.
2)  No such thing.  After a scizzor-kick you can block no matter what.
3)  He is far enough away after kick that you should be able to EASILY
    reverse throw (especially with Honda's awesome extended range)

>throw.  There's nothing wrong with that per se - these are Bison's best

Headstomp/throw?  Man, I didn't anybody sucked *that* bad.

>manouvers, it's just that any other character that relied on these
>techniques to win would also be flamed just as Bison is.  If someone

   Everything you mentioned can be mimicked by most other characters.
Ken can short kick/throw.  Or HK then throw.  But you can reverse this
so you don't call it cheap.  You don't know how to reverse Bison - so
you call him cheap...it's that simple.  In the old days of classic
when ticking started it was "SOOOO CHEAP!" - then counter throwing and
counter ticking evolved...and everyone "ok, that's cool".  
   It's the same thing with Bison.

>challenges with Ken, then in the back of your mind you're wary of
>the 4-hitter, bun Ken will rarely land this combo on you if you're
>any good.  Sure, it's not balanced that he has the potential.  But

   Now THAT is funny.  Ken/Ryu won't hit you with a flying fierce "if you're
any good" - but Bison can flame/throw you.  Sorry man, Bison's ticks are
*much* easier to avoid.  With Ken/Ryu that one mistake can cost you 
the round.  With Bison you get to try to reverse, then try again, and
again, and again.

>with Bison, the cheese is flying thick and fast from the word go
>until the end of the round, no matter who wins.  I'm just thankful

   Do me a favor and attakc Bison from the proper distance with flying 
roundhouse kicks.  Tell me how poerful he seems.  Throw in a couple
throws after a blocked kick.  Bison sucks.

>that I can pick Guile or Ryu and beat most Bison's, imagine what
>it's like for the intermediate players who don't stand a chance.

   Any half-decent Z can kill Bison.  And any intermediate other character
should be able to beat an *intermediate* Bison.  Now, if the Bison is 
*good* - then you will have to be *good*.  That's how it works with
everybody.  But I can honestly say I've never been beaten by a Bison of
less skill than I.

>
>--
>Tim Morris
>

And this skill to damage ratio is crap:
  How hard is a 3 hitter stun combo with Ryu?  It took me about an hour
to get down.  It takes a lot longer than that for Bison to learn
spacing/timing and all that stuff for his moves.


Ciao...


                                              - Jason

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