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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:37:57 -0500 
From: Jason Paul Togyer <jt3y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Trillian TV question
 <923209143202@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk> <Bz00MB.4EK@cck.coventry.ac.uk>
	<Bz5qxH.9vB@news.cso.uiuc.edu>

I'm probably gonna get flamed like crazy for my ignorance, but...

Wasn't the TV show based on the BBC radio show scripts, NOT on the
books?  And weren't the radio scripts written before the books were
published?  Maybe DA originally planned to make Trillian a
bimbo/airhead, and later decided it would be more interesting to make
her one of the more logical and levelheaded people around?  

Just a thought.  Maybe someone could help me out with the timeline.  I
don't remember the exact order that everything transpired (I know, look
it up in the FAQ).

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From: norbeck@albiero.cs.bucknell.edu (Naughty Nukes NY in her 1999 Nissan)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Who the hell is PG Wodehouse?? (was Re: Douglas Adams is one rich...)
Date: 11 Dec 1992 21:18:16 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
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In article <1992Dec9.213217.3443@burrhus.harvard.edu> glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier) writes:
>In article <92Dec9.132056edt.980@smoke.cs.toronto.edu> pedmonds@cs.toronto.edu ("Philip G. Edmonds") writes:
>>From _The Globe and Mail_, Saturday, December 5, 1992.

>>    The attentive reader of _Mostly Harmless_ may hear occasional echoes of
>>P. G. Wodehouse, and that is certainly high praise.  He may also be

>and who the hell is PG Wodehouse?

You go to Harvard and you've never heard of Plum?  I knew there was a
reason expatriatism was sounding like a good idea...

If you'd take a few minutes and go to the library (I know it's
difficult for you, but do try) and snag a book of Wodehouse's short
stories, I daresay you might actually find that you (horrors!) *LIKE*
them!  And I rather imagine this would have something to do with the
fact that theyare all incredibly *FUNNY*!  And you might even think
(dear god!) "Hey, this stuff reads in a way kinda like that Adams guy
I like so much!"  Funny how these things work, you see, Adams
apparently read quite a bit of Plum (as many call him)'s work and was
heavily influenced by little things like sentence construction/turn of
phrase which resulted in much of Adams' nearly inimitable style (I
imagine Plum could do a pretty good job).

In other words, if Plum had been born about 50 years later and had
written very funny SF novels about a bunch of morons who've stolen a
ship and are flying about the galaxy after their home planet, which
was really a computer, by the way, had been destroyed, I imagine his
name would have been Douglas Adams.


Go to the library and check it out.  And after you do, make all your
friends read it.  Plum has been forgotten long before he should have
been.


Nancy Norbeck
Major PG Wodehouse fan
(Might I suggest you being with "Uncle Fred Flits By"?  Quite a good
choice..)



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From: hevans@estwm0.wm.estec.esa.nl (Hugh D.R. Evans (ESA/ESTEC/WMA Netherlands))
Subject: Re: Radio Scripts
Reply-To: hevans@estcs1.dnet.estec.esa.nl
Organization: European Space Research and Technology Centre
Distribution: inet
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:42:57 GMT

In article <domalley.724344317@unix1.tcd.ie>, domalley@unix1.tcd.ie
(Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley)) writes:
|>In <OAHVENLA.92Dec13200625@lk-hp-4.hut.fi> oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi
|>(Osma Ahvenlampi) writes:
|>>In article <Bz6KM0.D1D@matilda.vut.edu.au> mike@win3 (Michael Paull)
|>writes:
|>>>	Being a huge Douglas Adams fan, and an even bigger fan of HHGTTG,
|>>>i've been trying to locate a file i'd seen some time back. The file
|>was a
|>>>complete copy of the original radio scripts, it might have been a
|>couple of
|>>>files, not sure. Does anyone know of an ftp site that has it? or if
|>someone
|>>>has it, can they email it to me .. 
|>
|>>How about buying the book?
|>>The Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy - The Original Radio Scripts
|>>By Douglas Adams, forewords by Geoffrey Perkins and Douglas Adams
|>>Pan Books, ISBN 0-330-29288-9
|>
|>'Fraid not - I wrote to Pan a few months ago and they said it was out
|>of print... 
|>Actually, if any kind soul out there can manage to procure a copy for
|>me,
|>e-mail me and we'll talk...


Well, I have an autographed copy, but it ain't for sale (just a little
bit of rubbing it in :).

Hugh.
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From: y41@aix320a.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Jeffrey Hazelwood)
Subject: Re: TIME TRAVEL
Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 12:04:04 GMT

In article <Bz3vE1.1Hz@umassd.edu>, s14109jo@UMASSD.EDU writes:
|> The truth about Time Travel is:
|> 
|>     It only exists in the mind..

Not true.
   
|>     It is mathematically possible to construct a working time machine, however,
|> the world will end before such technology exists, therefore, a time machine will
|> never exist, which is why no one ever comes back in time from one...

Look man, I'm a scientist. A time machine would definitely NOT work on math.
You need some stuff beyond math, like Timemath or an improbability drive.
Anyway, why would people from the future want to come back to such a boring time
as now????  There's surely a more exciting time!
|>     Make SENSE????

Ahhh? Ich weiss es nicht!

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From: loki@orthanc.freeside.com (Biggles)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Re: Black Ship (was Re: Trillian TV question)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 20:09:12 CDT
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Organization: Society for Balrog and Nazgul Understanding and Recognition

glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier) writes:
>
> In article <23k24+a@rpi.edu> tuffyd@rpi.edu writes:
> >In Some article, Someone Writes:
> >|> Radio first (and best), then books, then TV.
> >|> The first four episodes on radio/TV and book 1 closely match.
> >|> It's book 2 that started to change the story - they changed
> >|> the Hagunemnon fleet (sp?) into a robot space craft.
> >|> (Which doesn't work for me - after all, why would Hotblack Desiato
> >|> have taken a remote controlled stunt ship to a restaurant with him?)
> >|> As far as I can see, once a change is made it stays made - so the
> >|> TV series and records follow the book rather than the radio series.
> >
> >The part about the Hagunemnon fleet (sp?) was changed after the radio series because this part wasn't written by Adams, but John Lloyd.  Lloyd co-wrote the last 2 or three episodes of the first radio series.  When it came to writing the books, Adams decided that he wanted to do it alone, so he removed all the parts Lloyd had written.
> >
> >I got this info from "Dont Panic" by Neil Gaiman
> 
> I have Don't Panic, and don't remember this bit! The radio script book
> makes it clear that the story was changed because they couldn't create a
> Hagunennon on screen, for obvious reasons

Well, I'd like to back up the first poster (that sounds wierd), I remember
that bit from the book.  Douglas wanted the book to be his own work, and
he excluded any of Lloyd's stuff (much to Lloyd's dismay).  I guess someone
could always look it up, but it doesn't bother me enough to refute...


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From: okes@essex.ac.uk (Simon Oke)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Re: (The) Question.
Date: 13 Dec 92 16:09:17 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, UK.
In-reply-to: fenick1@husc10.harvard.edu's message of 10 Dec 92 15:21:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.102140.18347@husc3.harvard.edu> fenick1@husc10.harvard.edu (Sharon Fenick) writes:
| How many books are in a trilogy?
|
Anywhere between 3 and 5.

| Here's another, less answerable question:
| What is the point of leaving a brick under a hat?
|
The idea of leaving a brick under a hat is that one can watch from a
distance as someone comes along, sees the hat and kicks it, getting a
few broken toes in the process. I do not know why people are supposed to
kick hats when left lying around in public, or whether they really do,
as I have never left a hat on the ground, or seen one in such a position.

--
Simon Oke, 3rd year Computer Science
undergraduate at the University of Essex, UK.
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From: tuffyd@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Devin 'Nice Guy' Tuffy)
Subject: Re: Black Ship (was Re: Trillian TV question)
Reply-To: tuffyd@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:26:48 GMT

In Some article, Someone Writes:
|> Radio first (and best), then books, then TV.
|> The first four episodes on radio/TV and book 1 closely match.
|> It's book 2 that started to change the story - they changed
|> the Hagunemnon fleet (sp?) into a robot space craft.
|> (Which doesn't work for me - after all, why would Hotblack Desiato
|> have taken a remote controlled stunt ship to a restaurant with him?)
|> As far as I can see, once a change is made it stays made - so the
|> TV series and records follow the book rather than the radio series.

The part about the Hagunemnon fleet (sp?) was changed after the radio series because this part wasn't written by Adams, but John Lloyd.  Lloyd co-wrote the last 2 or three episodes of the first radio series.  When it came to writing the books, Adams decided that he wanted to do it alone, so he removed all the parts Lloyd had written.

I got this info from "Dont Panic" by Neil Gaiman
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
From: js4369@eehp5 ()
Subject: Time Travel
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 11:49:21 GMT


Ok, lets get this time travel thing straight once and for all.  Time
Travel definetly is possible; however, only in a forward direction.
This is because one of the facts of relitivity is that as velocity
increases time decreases, relitive to the original inertial frame.
Still doubt it?  Well its documented.  2 extremely accurate 
scientific clocks of some sort were perfectly synchronized.  Then one
was put on a supersonic jet and flown around the country for a bit.
when the clock was removed from the jet and the times of the 2 clocks 
compared it was discovered that the clock from the jet had traveled 
several microseconds into the future!  Needless to say though possible
I doubt if it will ever be practical due to the high speed nessesary.
As for backwords time travel?  Pure rubish!  Though conceptually
possible through such ideas as wormholes and the old favorite of
exceeding the spped of light.  One slight little problem with these
theories; mass.  Basically all of them require the time traveler to
have an infinite mass for at least some period of time.  Though I
doubt any studies exist I would think it safe to assume that turning
oneself into a black hole is just not a healthy or reversable thing to
do!  Again the problem lies with relitiveity, though time relitive to
the initial inertial frame (ie. to the "real" world") would speed up,
the object being moved at such high speeds would gain mass.  Upon
reaching the speed of light they would have infinet mass, therefor
being a black hole.  The fact that the speed of light can never even
be REACHED let alone passed also tends to throw a wet blanket on time
traveling. :-)  (but we can always have fun trying eh?)
                               -mercutio (jsulliva@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu)
"You mean its NOT a tomato plant officer? I'm as shocked as you are!"
Don't blame me, I voted libertarian.

the initial inertial frame (ie the "real" world) spede
From: glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Re: Who the hell is PG Wodehouse?? (was Re: Douglas Adams is one rich...)
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:27:55 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

>
>>>    The attentive reader of _Mostly Harmless_ may hear occasional echoes of
>>>P. G. Wodehouse, and that is certainly high praise.  He may also be
>
>>and who the hell is PG Wodehouse?
>
>You go to Harvard and you've never heard of Plum?  I knew there was a
>reason expatriatism was sounding like a good idea...
*You* assume that because I have an account on one of Harvard's mainframes,
I must be a student there. . I'm not, I work here, and I don't have access
to the University's libraries 
>
>If you'd take a few minutes and go to the library (I know it's
>difficult for you, but do try) and snag a book of Wodehouse's short
>stories, I daresay you might actually find that you (horrors!) *LIKE*
>them!
It is both insulting and narrow-minded of you to imply that I've never seen
the inside of a library just because I've never heard of an author you
happen to like
>heavily influenced by little things like sentence construction/turn of
>phrase which resulted in much of Adams' nearly inimitable style (I
>imagine Plum could do a pretty good job).
 I think that if the above were true there would be a reference to him
somewhere in the books about (about, not of) the Guide
>


-- 
"A horse! A horse! Somebody give me a horse, man, because|glazier@ 
I come to bury this dirtball, not to praise him. Whaddya |harvard.isr.edu
think I am? Whether it's nobler for the mind to make people suffer with all
these totally outrageous arrows arrows for a fortune, or what!" -- D.R.
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From: jdunning@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (John Alan Dunning)
Subject: Re: The Guide! (MAC VERSION)?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 14:12:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.143012.25398@burrhus.harvard.edu> glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier) writes:
> Save your time. There will shortly be a release of MH on disk for the Mac.
>I don't remember what the things' called but it's coming out in a month or
>so.

Are you referring to The Voyager Company's Expanded Book series?  The
first 4 books of the trilogy are already available as a HyperCard stack
(see my post under "Re: The ol'Hitchhiker's Guide Index file... WANTED!!").
I was wondering how long it'd take them to round out the trilogy.

John



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From: rfunk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert M Funk)
Subject: Re: *sniff* <SPOILER>
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:56:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.033115.9734@wam.umd.edu> gisie@wam.umd.edu writes:
>Is this truly the end?  I cant bear to go on...
Accept it.  It may not, in fact, be the end, since DNA said the same thing 
he said after the last 3 books: there will be no more.  He could write
more, but he doesn't want to.  Look for more Dirk Gently instead.

>BTW - what happened to Marvin and Zapphod? Did I miss something
>in SLATFATF??
Marvin died at the end of SLATFATF, and only Trillian knows what happened to
Zaphod.

-- 
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From: scriven@ecf.toronto.edu (SCRIVEN ADAM)
Subject: A copy of the HHGTTG game?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 15:52:33 GMT

I was wondering if it would be possible for me to get a copy of the
HHGTTG game for the IBM?

If anyone has any Ideas, I would be greatly appreciative.

Thanks...


Adam  (scriven@ecf.utoronto.ca)

~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+ 

			    How to Leave the Planet
			    
  1. Phone NASA.  Their phone number is (713) 483-3111.  Explain that 
it's very important that youy get away as soon as possible.
  2. If they do not cooperate, phone any friend you may have in the 
White House --(202) 456-1414 -- to have a word on your behalf with the
guys at NASA.
  3. If you don't sdhave any friends in the White House, phone the Kremlin
(ask the overseas operator for 0107-095-295-9051).  They don't have any
friends there either (at least, none to speak of), buth they do seem to have a
little influence, so you may as well try.
  4. If that also fails, phone the Pope for guidance.  His telephone number
is 011-39-6-6982, and I gather his switchboard is infallible.
  5. If all these attempts fail, flag down a passing flying saucer and explain
that it's vitally important you get away before your phone bill arrives.
							   Douglas Adams
Los Angeles 1982 and
London 1985/1986
				     -A Guide to the Guide

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From: zaphod@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Majikthise)
Subject: Re: DON'T PANIC - the official HHGTTG companion
Summary: Anderson's Bookshops
Keywords: Don't Panic, HHGTTG, Douglas Adams
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:08:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.121100.14910@cs.ruu.nl>, lherlaar@cs.ruu.nl (Lennart Herlaar) writes:
> 
> Does anyone out there know how to obtain a copy of 'Don't Panic - the official
> HHGTTG companion'? I contacted the publisher (who was mentioned in the faq
> file) but they told me it was out of print. Has anyone seen it in a bookshop
> lately?
> 
Yes, I bought a copy of it at Anderson's Bookshop in Downer's Grove, IL.  I
was attending a reading and autographing session featuring DNA.

Andy
From: loki@orthanc.freeside.com (Biggles)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Re: Mostly Harmless
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 10:32:40 CDT
Distribution: world               
Organization: Society for Balrog and Nazgul Understanding and Recognition

Rob Vickery writes:
>
> 
> |>And Fenchurch just remains lost in space and time, never to be seen again?
> |>Adams can`t get away with that. After I read Mostly Harmless my feeling was
> |>that it marks the start for a new cycle of at least two books. And I 
> |>absolutely *demand* a successor to MH. Hear that DOUGLAS ?!?
> |>
> |>Stefan
> |
> |I believe my exact comments at the end of Mostly Harmless were:
> |   "Damn Him! Damn Him! It can't end like that!!!"
> |
> 
> Personally I reckon he just got to 100,000 words then stopped.
> anyone counted?
> 
I'd have to agree with you on that one.  I think what he's trying to do is
end the trilogy once and for all.  Whether or not this will happen, who 
knows.  Everything I've read about DNA says that whenever he finishes a
book, he always says that that's his last book.  I believe he said that 
every hitchhiker book except the first.  If you look at some of his first
ideas for the THHGTTG, you'll see a different focus which he didn't actually
touch on until the MH.  His first drafts for the radio shows were intended
to launch a series where the earth would be destroyed on every show in 
different ways.  In the pilot script it says:
  
  Ford :  Alright. The universe we exist in is just one of multiplicity of
	 parallel universes which co-exist in the same space but on 
	 different matter wavelengths, and in millions of them the Earth is
	 still alive and throbbing much as you remember -- or very similar
	 at least -- beacause every possible variation of the Earth also
	 exists.

You can see some of these influences finally showing up in MH (although you
could say some showed up in the Dirk Gentley novels).  According to this
philosophy there are an infinite number of earths, an infinite number of
mice, and an infinite number of Arthurs, Fords, and Trillians to play with.
A sequel is still quite possible, though not all that likely (depends if
Douglas' monitary needs).

BTW, a good source of info on DNA (where I got the above quote) is _Don't
Panic_ by Neil Gaiman.


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From: lw92csb@ccws-36.brunel.ac.uk.ac.uk (Charanjit S Bharj)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Re: Trillian TV question
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:35:50 GMT
Reply-To: lw92csb@ccws-36.brunel.ac.uk.ac.uk
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

PS MY NAME IS CHARANJIT...OVER HERE ACROSS THE POND IN LONDON
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From: ross@bryson.demon.co.uk (Ross Beresford)
Subject: Re: Wodehouse
Organization: Bryson Limited, Reading, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 18:23:47 GMT

Wes Simonds (ginsu@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu) wrote:
: Yes, the PGW influence is quite substantial,

Reading through the books for the first time (after long familiarity
with the radio series and videos), I'm also struck by the similarity
with Lewis Carroll.

Not so much in the prose style, but in the plot and the level of
invention. You don't have to look very hard to find parallels with
the Alice books.

-- 
Ross Beresford
Email: ross@bryson.demon.co.uk           Voice: +44 734 344153
Bryson Limited, 10 Wagtail Close, Twyford, Reading, RG10 9ED, UK
From: kismet@trantor.cc.umb.edu (Ted Corning)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Hitchhiker's Guide on CD
Date: 11 Dec 92 14:22:21 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston
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Hi,

   I'm sure this is a FAQ, but I haven't seen a FAQ posted. (Maybe I missed
it).

   The subject pretty much says it. I'm looking for The Hitchhiker's Guide
on CD. This is a 6 CD set containing the 12 radio show episodes. I haven't
had any luck finding any place that even KNOWS about in the area.

   Any help would be appreciated. (Of course, it's for Christmas...Might
be a little late... :-)

Ted Corning
UMass/Boston
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