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From: michaelb@cse.fau.edu (Michael Rogero Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.pulp
Subject: Re: New Doc Savage novel, White Eyes
Date: 8 Oct 92 02:11:14 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA

In article <1aveuuINNa23@ef2007.efhd.ford.com> bkelley@ef2007.efhd.ford.com (Brian Kelley) writes:
>
>I recently picked up my first novel from the new Doc Savage series.   It
>is called _White Eyes_.  I am not impressed.  The writing is very weak.  It
>isn't all that close to Dent's style (not that it *must* be).
>
>I am still working my way through it.  I was very tempted to return it,
>but I'm going to stick it out until the end.
>
>Any other opinions?
>
I liked Murray's first Doc novel _Python Isle_.  I thought _White Eyes_ was
too long for a Doc novel, but it was ok.  I have no plans to read _Frightened
Fish_ as I haven't gotten around to reading the WWII & beyond Docs and _FF_
is set in the Cold War.  Once I finish the fourth Carrol & Graf Spider 
collection I plan to read _The Jade Ogre_ which is the latest Doc.

I also liked Farmer's _Escape from Loki_.  If you read it, realize that 
Farmer makes no attempt to write Dent style.  Fortunalty he doesn't go 
overboard as he has in his other pulp takeoffs.


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<< BitNet: m_brown@fauvax                                        >>
Newsgroups: alt.pulp
From: Mr_b
Subject: Re: New Doc Savage novel, White Eyes
Organization: LMSC
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 16:17:49 GMT

Michael R. Brown said:
>I too enjoyed Farmer's book and hope he will write some of the others he
>mentioned in Omnibus #13.  (I also hopes he writes the conclusion to
>Lord of the Trees/Mad Goblin, _The Secret Immortals_.  The first was called
>_A Feast Unknown_ which is a soft-porn novel.  Interesting stuff, tho I could
>do without the gratuous sex&violence of Feast).  I was worried since
>he seems to be hung up on sex/violence/alchohol with pulp heroes, and glad
>this stuff didn't crop up.

Does someone know the approximate value of a copy of _A Feast Unknown_
from that original publisher?  The paperback store I talked with needed
to know the name of the publisher in order to look up book values, so
I've tried, but can't get any price info.  I don't want to buy, I'm just
curious.

I personally consider the WWI-type dogfights that Farmer puts into his
books to be gratuitous.  I never feel that way about the boating
activities that Lester Dent sometimes 'squeezes' into the story.

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Mr_B@LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
From: michaelb@cse.fau.edu (Michael Rogero Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.pulp
Subject: Chronology of New Doc Savage novels
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:09:25 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA

With some of the resent posts about the new Docs I thought I'd post this
info.  This is the dates that the new Docs are set.  As the info comes
from Murray, its accurate:

    Escape from Loki (PJFarmer)  1918

    Python Isle   1934 (after Death in Silver)

    White Eyes    1936 (between Metal Master & South Pole Terror)

    Frightened Fish  Jan 1949  (villian is Jonas Sown from Screaming Man)

    Jade Ogre     1935

    Flight into Fear (to appear Feb/Mar 93)  1948 (after Red Spider)

    Whistling Wraith (written, to appear after Flight?) 1936 (between Sea Angel
                                                         and Devil on the Moon)

    The Yesterday Man (planned novel)  1938

Enjoy

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<< Internet: michaelb@sol.cse.fau.edu                            >>
<< BitNet: m_brown@fauvax                                        >>
From: bkelley@ef2007.efhd.ford.com (Brian Kelley)
Newsgroups: alt.pulp
Subject: New Doc Savage novel, White Eyes
Date: 7 Oct 1992 15:48:46 -0400
Organization: EFHD, Ford Motor Company
NNTP-Posting-Host: ef2007.efhd.ford.com


I recently picked up my first novel from the new Doc Savage series.   It
is called _White Eyes_.  I am not impressed.  The writing is very weak.  It
isn't all that close to Dent's style (not that it *must* be).

I am still working my way through it.  I was very tempted to return it,
but I'm going to stick it out until the end.

Any other opinions?

IMHO,

  Brian

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From: michaelb@cse.fau.edu (Michael Rogero Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.pulp
Subject: Re: New Doc Savage novel, White Eyes
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:09:54 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA

In article <Oct.14.10.43.46.1992.25649@gandalf.rutgers.edu> cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt) writes:
>bkelley@ef2007.efhd.ford.com (Brian Kelley) writes:
>
>>I recently picked up my first novel from the new Doc Savage series.   It
>>is called _White Eyes_.  I am not impressed.  The writing is very weak.  It
>>isn't all that close to Dent's style (not that it *must* be).
>
>>Any other opinions?
>
>I think Will Murray's improving with time.  I didn't like PYTHON ISLE, thought
>WHITE EYES was OK, and rather enjoyed THE FRIGHTENED FISH.  I haven't started
>THE JADE OGRE yet.
>
>Anyone know what happened to FISH?  According to Murray's essay at the end of
>Omnibus #13, it was supposed to feature the return of a Doc villain and be
>packaged with the *two* other novels featuring that villain.  Not only wasn't
>it packaged with older Docs, but it didn't even have the villain we'd been led
>to expect.  (I'm trying really hard not to SPOIL here.  Let me know if you've
>all already read FISH.)
>
Well, the two other novels was to be _The Screaming Man_ and _The Red Spider_.
The villian being returned in FISH was the villian from Screaming Man.  I
avoided reading FISH as I have not gotten around to reading the WWII or post-
WWII Docs.  As far as I know this was the villian that appeared. (who were
you expecting??).  As to the non-inclusion of the other 2 books, I guess 
Bantam changed their mind.

As to the first two, I liked _Python Isle_, but liked _White Eyes_ less so,
and felt it too long.  Haven't read _Jade Ogre_ but it to is long like EYES.

>However, I flat-out *loved* Philip Jose Farmer's ESCAPE FROM LOKI.  I wasn't
>expecting much from this, having read LORD OF THE TREES/THE MAD GOBLIN and
>whatever the first one was called.  But Farmer not only wrote a good Doc story,
>he wrote a good story, period.  I found the business with Murdstone (left vague
>so as not to SPOIL) annoying and unnecessary, but can accept it as an homage.
>
I too enjoyed Farmer's book and hope he will write some of the others he 
mentioned in Omnibus #13.  (I also hopes he writes the conclusion to 
Lord of the Trees/Mad Goblin, _The Secret Immortals_.  The first was called
_A Feast Unknown_ which is a soft-porn novel.  Interesting stuff, tho I could
do without the gratuous sex&violence of Feast).  I was worried since
he seems to be hung up on sex/violence/alchohol with pulp heroes, and glad
this stuff didn't crop up.


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Newsgroups: alt.cosuard,houston.general,tx.general
From: paul@xcluud.sccsi.com (Paul Hutmacher)
Subject: Did COSUARD steal my dollar?
Followup-To: alt.cosuard
Summary: I thought there were to be more meetings
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven
Distribution: tx
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 03:45:51 GMT


Sometime many months back, in the early spring I think, COSUARD held a meeting
to elect new officers and to decide what to do with the organization.  There
was a whopping ten or so folks there and we all paid a dollar for our annual
dues so we could vote.

A few of us wanted to shut down the organization and voted to do so.  The 
majority of the voting members wanted to keep it alive and continue to be
a beacon for the modem community.  Since the voting majority decided to keep
it going there were supposed to be another meeting to discuss directions and
such.

My real question here is this:  Have there been other meetings that I didn't
hear about or were we just fooling ourselves that anyone really cared anymore?
If there were other meetings how were they announced and where were they held?
Who is president of COSUARD now that Ed has stepped down?  (Sorry, I was there
and I *know* I should have made notes.)

Now I'll admit that I don't call any bbs's anymore and that the only real 
electronic way I have to get out is xcluud so I may have missed something
somewhere.

Does anyone know what happened?

Thanks!  Paul
-- 
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We will love only what we understand; And we will |  Houston, Texas USA
understand only what we are taught." Baba Dioum   |  paul@xcluud.sccsi.com
Newsgroups: alt.rap-gdead
From: gdhead@next15pg2.wam.umd.edu (Samuel Stanley Lehrfeld)
Subject: aren't there any heads out there?
Reply-To: alt.gathering.rainbow
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:50:50 GMT

Hey now.....
I'm kinda new to this stuff and don't really know what I'm doin.  But I do  
know that gdead stands for the one and only......

If any of you wanna trade tapes our something, or just speculate on  
upcoming tours, etc.., just drop me a line. 

Newsgroups: alt.rap-gdead
From: louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis)
Subject: Re: aren't there any heads out there?
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:13:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.225050.23043@wam.umd.edu> alt.gathering.rainbow writes:
>Hey now.....
>I'm kinda new to this stuff and don't really know what I'm doin.  But I do  
>know that gdead stands for the one and only......
>
>If any of you wanna trade tapes our something, or just speculate on  
>upcoming tours, etc.., just drop me a line. 
>

I'm kindq new at this, but no dead newsgroup has misssed my attention.  There isanother (other than this, that is), but I don't remember the name.  It has a lotof trash at times, though, and a lot of entries: I don't have time to read all  of it, but I do what I can.  About the tapes etc. drop me a line at 
            louray@seas.gwu.edu



have a high time.    


Michael Panayiotakis
From: Trog.Martian@p4.f851.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Trog Martian)
Sender: NewsMeisterII@mcws.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.rap-gdead
Subject: aren't there any heads out there?
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:19:29 -0800

In a msg on <Oct 13 23:50>, Samuel Stanley Lehrfeld of 1:102/851 writes:

 SSL> From: gdhead@next15pg2.wam.umd.edu (Samuel Stanley Lehrfeld)
 SSL> Newsgroups: alt.rap-gdead
 SSL> Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, 
 SSL> College Park
 SSL> Reply-To: alt.gathering.rainbow
 SSL> Message-ID: <1992Oct13.225050.23043@wam.umd.edu>

 SSL> Hey now.....
 SSL> I'm kinda new to this stuff and don't really know what I'm doin.  
 SSL> But I do  
 SSL> know that gdead stands for the one and only......

You got it!  =8->

Trog here, hiding in a dark corner of FidoNet.  I've been keepin' an eye on
this conference for a while now and have seen almost no traffic on it. 
Matter o' fact, the last message to make it out here got purged last night
because it was over two weeks old.  Lemme know what the traffic looks like
on your end.

Welcome anyway.  If traffic is as dead on your end as mine, might I direct
your attention to Rec.Music.GDead, where there are a lot more DeadHeads with
which to dance.

If you ARE getting traffic here (and I'm not) then I'm just a deaf, dumb,
blind gibbering fool curled up in a corner of the party.  Aware of nothing. 
=8->  FidoNet to InterNet links can be quite fickle at times.

See ya' around.

-Trog

 * Origin: TAG!  You're It! (1:102/851.4)
From: Trog.Martian@p4.f851.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Trog Martian)
Sender: NewsMeisterII@mcws.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.rap-gdead
Subject: aren't there any heads out there?
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:19:29 -0800

In a msg on <Oct 13 23:50>, Samuel Stanley Lehrfeld of 1:102/851 writes:

 SSL> From: gdhead@next15pg2.wam.umd.edu (Samuel Stanley Lehrfeld)
 SSL> Newsgroups: alt.rap-gdead
 SSL> Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, 
 SSL> College Park
 SSL> Reply-To: alt.gathering.rainbow
 SSL> Message-ID: <1992Oct13.225050.23043@wam.umd.edu>

 SSL> Hey now.....
 SSL> I'm kinda new to this stuff and don't really know what I'm doin.  
 SSL> But I do  
 SSL> know that gdead stands for the one and only......

You got it!  =8->

Trog here, hiding in a dark corner of FidoNet.  I've been keepin' an eye on
this conference for a while now and have seen almost no traffic on it. 
Matter o' fact, the last message to make it out here got purged last night
because it was over two weeks old.  Lemme know what the traffic looks like
on your end.

Welcome anyway.  If traffic is as dead on your end as mine, might I direct
your attention to Rec.Music.GDead, where there are a lot more DeadHeads with
which to dance.

If you ARE getting traffic here (and I'm not) then I'm just a deaf, dumb,
blind gibbering fool curled up in a corner of the party.  Aware of nothing. 
=8->  FidoNet to InterNet links can be quite fickle at times.

See ya' around.

-Trog

 * Origin: TAG!  You're It! (1:102/851.4)
Newsgroups: alt.food,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.bulgaria,rec.food.restaurants,rec.food.cooking,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvn
From: sachz@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU (SAS)
Subject: Made in Macedonia 
Followup-To:  soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.greek
Originator: sachz@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU
Organization: Dept. Engineering Computer Resources, Melbourne Uni.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:21:19 GMT


MADE IN MACEDONIA

   Browsing through a local imported foods store (deli in Sydney),
it came to my attention something that wouldn't have been seen
a few years ago. To my surprise, I began to notice products labelled,
not from Yugoslavia as was the case, but following recent political
changes in that area of the world, notices such as;
"Made in Macedonia" are seen on an ever increasing amount of goods.

        IMPORTED BY:
        MARCO POLO FOODS P/L
        7 ELIZABETH ST
        CAMPSIE N.S.W, AUSTRALIA
        MADE IN MACEDONIA

   This is a typical label which can be found in many
various shops selling imported European goods. Alongside we have
products from geographically neighbouring Greece and Bulgaria,
notably Fetta and predominantly other assortments of cheeses.
The beauty witnessing a scenario free of political influences,
the way it should be, by simply walking into a local shop 5 mins
down the road and be able to purchase freely anything and everything
you desire. It is also a good sign to see Marco Polo Foods are
capable of importing goods into Australia, whilst the economic
blockades of neighbour nations are still in existence. This is
a tribute to a long term and reliable importer well known in these
areas.

   "Chocolate Wafers" in either rum, orange or vanilla fillings are
a practical example of an off the shelf product 'Made in Macedonia'.
'Vanilla - Vafel proizvod s chokoladnim prelivom' is written on the
side, which translates to 'Vanilla wafer with chocolate coating'.
The front corner has 'Original Europa Selection' stamped, and on the
other side has "PRODUCT OF MACEDONIA BY EVROPA SKOPJE". All these are
positive signs to what many of us agree are inevitable circumstances.
Economic and Political blockades can do one thing, but they have their
limitations, and with persistence as has been the situation ever
increasing strongly, it is only a matter of time before the rest of
the world does indeed recognise the 'Independence' of the Republic
of Macedonia.

Rgds, S.Shopov
Published in MAK-NEWS of October 1992.

On an aside, products have been produced, namely Macedonian Halva,
in the past, however these are clearly labelled Thessaloniki, Greece.
Nobody can argue about the validity of this labelling. Having
consumed recently a full serving of 'both' Macedonian originating
products, I am not complaining eitherway.

Newsgroups: alt.divination
From: mcnair@slab.unt.edu (SEAN MCNAIR)
Subject: SPERM
Organization: School of Library & Info Sci, UNT
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 20:14:13 GMT

    Do divination rods work for SPERM deposits, like SPERM banks?

                      Gumby
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:03:18 EDT
From: <CWD1@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.divination
Subject: psychic fluxes

Sometimes I pick up the phone to call people and they are already on the other
end! strange,but true.
From: vmf@acpub.duke.edu (Virginia Fleming)
Newsgroups: alt.divination
Subject: Re: ARE ANY OF YOU TRUE DIV...
Date: 12 Oct 92 03:38:36 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <92278.161226L13BC@CUNYVM.BITNET> L13BC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>
>   Can any of you guys/gals percieve psychic fluxes, & stuff like that?

I'm not sure what a psychic flux is.  I perceive what energetic
fields, and sometimes I am successful at divination--though I would
not define divination as specific knowledge of events in the future.

Virginia
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Sunday, 4 Oct 1992 16:12:26 EDT
From: <L13BC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.divination,
Subject: ARE ANY OF YOU TRUE DIV...

   Can any of you guys/gals percieve psychic fluxes, & stuff like that?
From: bsherman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian C. Sherman)
Newsgroups: alt.divination
Subject: Re: SPERM
Date: 10 Oct 92 22:34:30 GMT
Organization: UB

mcnair@slab.unt.edu (SEAN MCNAIR) writes:


>    Do divination rods work for SPERM deposits, like SPERM banks?

>                      Gumby


You know, that has been known to work... It's a great way to find out where
the sperm banks are in your neiborhood, and how many used condoms are in
your friends' trash...
                         -Brian
Xref: sparky alt.revisionism:748 soc.history:8947
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history
Subject: War Criminal: Dr. Ernst Grawitz
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 12:01:15 GMT
Followup-To: alt.revisionism
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, CANADA
Keywords: Auschwitz,Grawitz

"Dr. Ernst Grawitz, SS and Police Gruppenfuehrer (Lt. Colonel) was the top
doctor in the SS. He was the one who suggested to Himmler in the summer of
1941 gas chambers as means to the `Final Solution,' i.e. the mass
extermination of Jews. He knew of and kept an executive's eye on numerous
other experiments with human guinea pigs at various concentration camps, for
instance body resistance to freezing, jaundice, typhus (research done for
I.G. Farben), and the drinkability of sea water. He committed suicide in
1945."

Extracted from------------------------------------------------------------
"WOMEN IN THE RESISTANCE AND IN THE HOLOCAUST: THE VOICES OF EYEWITNESSES"
Edited (and with introduction) by Vera Laska. Greenwood Press, Westport &
London, 1983. LOC 82-12018, ISBN 0-313-23457-4                      p. 226
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

         === The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, Canada ===
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                    < October 26th: voting NO >
From: mfm0@ellis.uchicago.edu (martin frederic melhus)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust Almanac: Babi Yar & The Jews of Kiev...
Keywords: Babi Yar,Kiev,Radomski,Syrets
Date: 8 Oct 92 05:52:38 GMT
Reply-To: mfm0@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <BvMLE0.9n0@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
[refering to a posting from the Holocaust almanac - MFM]
>
>I find it strange that you post this article in alt.revisionism.  Are
>you implying that it is not true history?   Or are you just bored?
>js

OK, Jack, here's the deal.  Alt.revisionism is about holocaust revisionism.
Yes, I know that the word "holocaust" does not specifically occur in the
newsgroup title, but aside from a few postings by a not to be named here
individual about the turk-armeni conflict, all of the 1000+ articles I've
seen in this newsgroup are about the holocaust.  As such, Mr. McVay's 
article is quite pertinent, as it seems to indicate that holocaust
revisionism is nonsense.

For those of you who thought that this might be a joke on Jack's
part, I have to disagree.  I've seen other stuff that he's posted,
and this is typical of the things he writes, except that it lacks the

ARF says: 

line that had become his trademark.  If he later wants to retract this
statement, saying that it was a joke (as he did with the statement that
all people who buy foreign cars are traitors and should be shot.) then
that is his perogative, and I apologize in advance.

P.S. - How are your daughter's wedding plans going, Jack?


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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism
From: bzs@ussr.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Does This Guy Sound Familiar?
Organization: The World
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 00:43:10 GMT


There's even a stronger argument in regards to these nazi-wannabees as
to why barring Irving from Canada or this police harrassment is a bad
idea:

Let me use an analogy (barely an analogy): As an undergrad I studied
child psychology, and was particularly interested at the time in
developmental psycholinguistics.

One question that comes up is, why do we curse? Why do we associate
the strong emotional reactions with certain obscene words?

Well, one reason is that when a little kid learns his/her first curse
word and uses it in the home they often get walloped and/or scolded.

Wow, what voodoo! All these other words, I get praised or no reaction,
this ONE word, I get walloped, drove mom/dad right up the wall, now
*that's* magic!

Well, it's true, people are attracted to taboo, secret things,
particularly young people. Taboo things that evoke strong societal
reactions are very attractive. Taboo things that evoke such strong
societal reactions that they're suppressed are best of all (e.g.
compare and contrast to our current policies towards recreational drug
use.)

So the analogy should be clear: Don't turn holocaust denial or
nazi-philia into some sort of powerful voodoo. Let them up on stage,
and let them get the old hook and let the public reject them publicly.

And if they don't get ill-treated, well, then you have bigger problems
which mere suppression or harassment won't stop.

I'm big on curing these problems on the demand side.


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