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From: gatchall@rtsg.mot.com (Scott W. Gatchall)
Subject: Re: Buckeye News
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:22:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.135353.28120@cis.ohio-state.edu> atchison@lagoon.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.122754.1@pa621a.inland.com> copus@pa621a.inland.com writes:
>
>>I heard yesterday from a friend of mine who lives in Columbus that
>>the freshman running back from Massillon, Travis McGuire, was moved
>>to defensive back.  As one might expect we reportedly is not happy
>>about that.  Do you know anything about that move?
>
>This is true.  Apparently, McGuire was so upset about the switch that he has
>been AWOL from the last 2 practices.  This is a real shame.  I thought both
>McGuire and Eddie George looked phenomonal at TB in the Spring game, especially
>for rookies.  
>

Hell ... ya can't really feel sorry for these guys.  They walked into a
program that was already 5 deep in the charts at TB.  Eric Kumerow
went to OSu as a QB ... look where that got'em. :)

>
>Yep.  Herbstreit has been named the starter.  IMO, this is a good move.  Unless
>the underclassman (Hoying) is _clearly_ ahead of the senior (Herbstreit), the
>nod has to go to the senior.  And let's face it, the Bucks don't need Dan
>Marino back there, just somebody who can throw 10-15 yard in's and out's, and
>an occasional dump to the TE.  Herbstreit gives you that, plus senior 
>leadership (he was named captain before he was named a starter), almost a year
>of experience, and a pretty hellacious athlete under center.  It's also a
>welcome change to not have the starting QB secret up until kick off again.

Nothing personal, Mark, but it's this attitude that IMO is killing this program.
I mean, they've gotta get the guy in there who's gonna have time to 'gel'
and take root at QB.  Seeing limited off/on playing time doesn't make
Herbstreit a veteran.  Don't get me wrong.  I'm not knocking Herbstreit.
He's definitely talented. No doubt about it ... but in the last decade,
OSU hasn't 'molded' a QB and given him stability from the time he hit campus
(with the exception of possibly Tomczak).  I hate to allude back to Art
Schlichter again, but that guy was a perfect example.  After seeing
Hoying play in the state tourney a couple years ago, I have to stick
to my guns and say, "This is the man." .... although we both know it
won't make a damn bit of difference. :)


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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: Hey Cliff...    (was: KICKOFF CLASSIC- NCSU's GREAT CHANCE)
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:48:11 GMT

Jeffrey N. Burch (jb118@prism.gatech.EDU) wrote:
: >>Gee, Goobster, I hope you're not taking Aggie Airways!!!
: >>James
: >
: >can't, the propellor broke.       
: >cmuck
: 
: No, I think you mean the rubber band, don't you?

You mean there's a difference?!?!?

-- 
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scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Re: USC Football
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:02:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.234702.11463@u.washington.edu> crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
> 
> Hmm, ya' know what...I think the University of $outhern Califonia has a
> 99.7% chance of winning the MNC this year.
> 
> ****************************************************************************
> Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
> Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Truth is a statue, and you are all just 
> University of Washington      *   a bunch of pigeons. 
> Seattle, WA 98195             *
> ****************************************************************************

Cliffy,

Welcome back from your recuperation, oops, I mean vacation.
I would hope the lumps have healed, but I see your still
obsessed with PAC-10 drivel.  Maybe 2 weeks was not long enough
to effect a cure. 

So, what's so big about the Rose Bowl?
d8^).

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rszczerb@dickens.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Subject: Re: Trojan News Vol#1
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:37:43 GMT

In article <l8vg2aINNa66@skat.usc.edu> valdis@skat.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs) writes:
>In article <serdar.714024009@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au> serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Serdar Boztas) writes:
>>rszczerb@bronte.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>>
>>>>   USC FOOTBALL GOALS - 1992
>>
>>>>1. Play each game showing class and sportsmanship
>>>>2. Earn A USC Degree
>>>>3. Beat UCLA and Notre Dame
>>>>4. Go To The Rose Bowl
>>>>5. Win A National Championship
>>
>>>I think you've got a chance at 3 out of the 5.
>>>Any bets as to which two ain't gonna happen?  :)
>>
>>I think 1 and 2 are questionable at this point! :-)
>>
>>Serdar
>>
>What facts to you have to back this up? Granted,that #1 is seen
>mainly in the eyes of the beholder,but with #@ realize that there
>have been MORE USC football players that had been chosen Academic
>All-Americans than any other team in the PAC-10 and fith most in
>the nation. It may seem hard to belive, but is an actual FACT!
>
>Valdis Kalejs
>
>
Valdis,

Most of the comments were ended with a :) 
That means it's a joke.  USC has got a very
good and reputable program, but all us loyal
Irish and Bruin fans would still love to kick the
crap outta them  :)

		- Rob
From: tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Tremblay)
Subject: Re: Beavers will win MNC fer sure!
Keywords: Oregon State, Champion, MNC, fair weather crap
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 05:01:34 GMT

In article <l93bk0INNa80@solar.usc.edu> sboztas@solar.usc.edu (Serdar Boztas) writes:
>yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee) writes:
>
>>THE OREGON STATE BEAVERS WILL WIN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
>>YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!!!
>
>[poor attempt at humor deleted]
>
>Beavers winning the MNC is about as likely as Stanfraud winning
>it, slim to none. This year, or ever...
>
>Serdar

As slim as the Cardinal's chances are, at least they're better than
the Spoiled Children's... ;-)


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt)
Subject: Re: Demt. DuBose (sp?) playing
Keywords: Holtz, sit out
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:04:37 GMT




In article <1992Aug21.001047.25879@u.washington.edu> baze@carson.u.washington.e
du (Behzad Khamneian) writes:
>In article <66489@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON 
P) writes:
>>
>>Of course he'll play.  Remember last year when two Notre Dame players, I
>>think they were Mirer and some defensive guy, were arrested at a party.
>
>I was thinking exactly the same thing.  Wasn't the "defensive guy" DuBose
>last year?
>I remember the two players as Mirer and DuBose and I was pissed at the time
>that they didn't get suspended.  Any other school would have suspended their
>players.  Even Miami  :)  
>
>Oh well...
>
>> Lou Holtz stuff deleted.
>
>>--
>>BERNSTEIN,AVRON P
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>>uucp:     ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt6390a
>>Internet: gt6390a@prism.gatech.edu
>
>
>Baze


Perhaps y'all should find out a little more about the circumstances before you 
slam Holtz.  The charges were dropped.  The South Bend Police assumed that they
were guilty by association.  It didn't hold up.


I guess we will see what Miami does with their players, won't we?
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From: v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Who do you think will win
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:51:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug16.015345.2625@news.nd.edu>, rszczerb@purcell.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes...
#Hey bud, wake up and smell the coffee.  Syracuse could definitely beat
#Washington in Basketball and even Lacross, but not football.  But I 
#can understand your misguided admiration for the mighty Orangemen.

Facts are facts, I have no ``misguided admiration,'' they are guided by the
facts.  Syracuse has been at least as impressive over the past five years 
as Washington in record and ranking:

              Syracuse         Washington
1991         10-2    11        12-0     2
1990          7-4-2   -        10-2     5
1989          8-4     -         8-4    23
1988         10-2    13         6-5     -
1987         11-0-1   4         7-4-1   -

BTW, as far as it goes, Syracuse barely breaks my Top 10 as far as favorite
teams go.

# I'm originally from Rochester, NY and I grew up hearing so much about the
#Orangemen that I got really sick of them ... perhaps too much snow up there
#in Buffalo has clouded your judgement :) :)

Well, it hasn't snowed yet this year (though it felt cold enough last night
for it to have), and I've only been in Buffalo through two fairly snowless 
winters, so perhaps I'm not really qualified to say this, but I've yet to
read a word about the Syracuse football team in the Buffalo News and I've
heard less than ten minutes on the local talk shows about it.  I hear and
read more about the Hurricanes than I do about the Orangemen.

#Gee, if Miami considers ND to be a bunch of panty waists, then why were
#they crying so much when the Irish didn't renew the series with them. 

We didn't like to lose that sure win on the schedule.  ND made our
PF to PA ratio much more impressive.  I mean, there aren't too many teams
in this country that will sit idly by as we rack up 31-13, 58-7, 24-0, 
27-10, 20-0, and 37-15 wins, while only pulling off three wins by an average
margin of 4 points themselves.

#As for the mightly Canes playing some NFL teams ... I think you've been
#putting a little too much sugar on your cornflakes at breakfast.  Let's
#face it, the Canes are good, but the worst NFL team would still kick
#their butts.

Nope, I like my cornflakes plain.  Besides, I usually have eggs or grits for
breakfast and neither of those take sugar.  Miami may not *beat* any of the 
NFL teams, but at least I'd have to be worried about them actually losing a 
game:  as it stands, the 'Canes get boring after the first quarter in most 
games since they have the win in-hand.  I have to entertain myself in other 
ways:  switch over to the Comedy Channel (or NBC as you Domers call it) for 
a few laughs, start heckling the PennHeads in the bar, play the hockey game 
if the Soviet goalie hasn't been busted off yet, etc.

___

Timothy C. Pitts             
Canada US Trade Center
Department of Geography
University at Buffalo        
V262XXVE@UBVMS.BITNET
From: wcd2z@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (William Camden Daniel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: KICKOFF CLASSIC- NCSU's GREAT CHANCE
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:23:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Virginia

Well, I have to say good luck to the wolfpack against Iowa, you
guys are ACC so I have to cheer for you.  But the Pack might
have some trouble with FSU.  It is just reality.  But just
between you and me, you can't look forward to beating FSU,
until you look back at you past against the Cavaliers.  If you
can't get past us you can't beat FSU, and history (the past 6
years) has written your fate against UVa.  Don't get me wrong,
I am not rubbing it in, you just have to set your priorities
before ambitions of winning it all.  Personally I think we have
a small chance of beating florida state in Charlottesvill on
Halloween day.  We are the toughest October team in the ACC,
and I am superstitious, but I am ready to get killed against
FSU.  Anyway, I am rambling like I tend to do, so I will once
again say good luck against those Hawkeyes, and GO ACC!!!!!


						Bill.
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Top 10 HB in '93 draft
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:17:49 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <65723@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>rszczerb@tolstoy.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) wrote:
>}
>}Is there any list of the top 10 fullbacks?
>
>Yes,
>
> 1.  Jerome Bettis	Notre Dame
> 2.  Jerome Bettis	Notre Dame
> 3.  Jerome Bettis	Notre Dame
> 4.  Jerome Bettis	Notre Dame
> 5.  Jerome Bettis	Notre Dame
> 6.  Jerome Bettis	Notre Dame
> 7.  Jerome Bettis	Notre Dame
> 8.  Jerome Bettis	Notre Dame
> 9.  Jerome Bettis	Notre Dame
>10.  Jerome Bettis	Notre Dame
>
>Just one more reason Notre Dame will be National Champs this year!
>
>-- 
>Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
>              "I ain't puttin' no money into a sport 
>           where you sit on your butt and go backwards."

Mark!  Beware, Beano Cook has tapped into your system at Tech, and with
your ID no less!!!!!!!!

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From: tlh@isi.edu (Tom Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Who voted Miami #3?
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:51:17 GMT
Reply-To: tlh@batman.isi.edu (Tom Hamilton)
Organization: USC-ISI

In article <2766.382.uupcb@brent.uucp> al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) writes:
>Were any logical guesses made here on who voted Miami #3 in
>last season's final coach's poll?
>
>I believe it was then California coach Bruce Snyder.
>
>The circumstantial evidence;
>
Stuff deleted----------------

When the polls were released last year, the LA times had a list of how
the coaches voted in the top 5 or so. The only one I remember for
certain was Larry Smith who voted Washington #1 and Miami #2. I seem
to remember all or most PAC-10 and West Coast teams coaches going with
Washington over Miami and the reverse being true for the east,
particularly the southeast. As geographicaly skewed as the coaches
poll is, it seems to me to typicaly be more rational than the media
(ie. writers) poll so I can only imagine the amount of coastal bias in
that poll. Yes it was silly to vote Miami lower than # 1 or 2 last
year but had UW not captured the 2nd poll (the writers was announced
first) I'd have been upset at the WCMB for being more rational than
the ECMB.

Cheers,

Tom Hamilton
UofSoCal-Fight On!
InfoSciInst
tlh@isi.edu

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From: sjain@shearson.com (Sanjeev Jain)
Subject: Orange football
Reply-To: sjain@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:11:34 GMT

Hi,

Could someone post the Syracuse football schedule.

Go Orange.
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Smeauxkescreens (was some insightful valdisisms)
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:51:51 GMT
Organization: Chevron

Gary Goober writes:
>
>Dear Mr. Valdas Whathisname,
              ^

I think it is somewhat obvious which institution has your best interest at 
heart, Mr. VALDIS Wotsheeshname.
               ^

			James (smells better here than NY) Clyde
			President and Defender Against Clueless Coup D'Etats
			Institute for Geauxing and Kneauxing



PS:  Did the Emery package get there yet?
From: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: beano cook's picks
Date: 23 Aug 92 00:11:06 EST
Reply-To: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information

Beano Cook's predictions, as given on ESPN radion Saturday, 8/22/1992.

I only guarantee that he said'em then, not that he won't give different
prognostications later. His opinions, not mine, so send flames to him.


1) Notre Dame will win the national championship

2) Penn State will only lose one game, to Notre Dame of course.

3) Miami will lose by three touchdowns at Penn State.

4) Bill Walsh will beat Texas A&M by three touchdowns.
   It is not clear if he meant Stanford will defeat A&M by three TDs, or
   if Bill Walsh will do so alone.

5) Notre Dame probably did not know about the loan to Demetrius DuBose,
   so they should not penalized, but ND should have the linebacker sit
   out a year.
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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: All-Huge team (was: Re: UW news)
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:16:27 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations

In article <1992Aug20.161409.148@ncsu.edu> currin@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD D CURRIN) writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug20.155541.25368@uwm.edu>, paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>|>   Freshman John Rohde of Oswego, Ill. is quite literally the big man on
>|>   campus. The Super Prep all-midwest selection who squats 550 lbs. and has
>|>   a 29-inch verticle came in at 6-6, 350. 

>Looks like we could start a RSFC all huge team. I hope this want appear as 
>woofing but NCSU has George Hegamin 6'8 345. Let's compile a list of the 
>bigguns.

School		Name		class	ht.	wt.

Wisconsin	John Rohde	fr.	6-6	350
NCSU		George Hegamin	?	6-8	345
Colorado	Matt Jones	fr.	6-7	320
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: Gramm
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:59:16 GMT

Speaking of Gramm...

Did anyone catch Gramm's speach at the Republican Convention
the other night? (No, I didn't either).  But my wife was flipping
through the channels and all of a sudden I heard her in there
laughing at something.  So I went in and asked her what was so
funny.  She said the Gramm said something about how Clinton and
Gore were going strong now, but that they were about to run into
the Texas A&M defense...

Can anyone else verify that remark?  Maybe it was made during a 
local news interview....

Regardless, if that is the case, I guess Bush pretty much has
the election locked up...    :^)

Beat the Hell Outta Stanfurd!

-- 
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scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
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From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Stanford in top 10?
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:14:40 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

foster@leland.Stanford.EDU (Pablo Estrada) writes:

>Dear David,

>	You just wait until the season begins.  You and the rest of the nation
>will be pleasantly surprised to see Stanford beat some of the top-ten teams. 


>	I know it's hard to believe, but Bill Walsh really will make a 
>difference, even this year.  I think the top-ten ranking is well deserved.

I don't think it will be Walsh, I think it will be the talent on
the team.  The Stanford offense is truly scary, with a massive
line, a proven QB, and Milburn.  The defense returns almost everyone from 
a unit that was quite good late in the season.  They certainly deserve
to be ranked in the top 25.

The question marks are receivers and depth.  They cannot afford
injuries to key people, otherwise, they will sink to mediocrity. 
Losses to running backs and/or receivers will make the offense
a lot less scary.  

The schedule is also murder.  With an easier schedule, I think
the Cardinal would be a cinch to make the post-season top 10.
The would need to win 5 out of 7 of the key games:  A&M, San Jose St. 
(never easy for Stanford), Notre Dame, UCLA, Washington, USC, and Cal.
That's a tall order for any team.


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: The Line on aTm and Standford
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:36:12 GMT

Mike Minihan (mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM) wrote:
: Is there a line on the Texas A&M and Standford?

According to the _Dallas_Morning_News_ (8/21):

Favorite    Open    Curr    O/U    Underdog
--------    ----    ----    ---    --------
Texas A&M    2.5     3.5     44    Stanford

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From: acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Respect for NC State  (was NCSU's chances against Iowa)
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:07:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug18.181324.5771@rock.concert.net>, black@jazz.concert.net (Rob Black) writes...
>>In article #17477 Marc Tremblay (tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU) writes:
> 
>>> By the way, NCSU was #26 in the polling for the top 25. No respect.
> 
>>>>Respect has to be earned...
> 
> 
>We went 9-3 last year and have 3 proven QB's coming back along with most
>of our defensive and offensive backfields. Dick Sheridan has taken us to
>bowls 5 of his 6 years here and the last 4 in a row. Our last 2 bowl wins
>were over none other than Iowa and a Southern Mississippi team which had
>beaten Alabama and Auburn that year.

I'd be more impressed if YOU beat Alabama and Auburn.  Second generation 
"better-than"s don't do much for me.

> 
>On the basis of this plus the fact that we're cosistently finishing in the
>top half of the ACC, I would definitely rate NC State as a Top 25 team
>year in and year out.

Finishing in the top half of the ACC definitely puts NC State in the Top 50
nationwide.

> Having said that I do realize that this ranking should
>definitely be around 17 or 18.

I think 26 is fair (I might even say optimistic, but that's my bias showing)


>With this year's hard schedule but solid team I think you can look for 8-4
>or 9-3 from the Pack.

If NC State gets by Appalachian St Sep 5, they definitely have a very good 
chance of beating Wake Forest.

> 
> 
>Rob Black               black@concert.net             Raleigh, NC
> 

R Dendy