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From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)
Subject: Re: Another flame from Dr. Strychnine (was Re: Two pretentious...
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 06:56:14 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services
Distribution: usa

stevens@eatdust (John Stevens) writes ...
>To illustrate, I believe that abortion is murder.  What can I do to persuade
>you to believe that?

Present evidence that the zygote, embryo, and/or fetus is a person and
should have the same protections as does any other child.  Convince me 
that what you propose will benefit me, society, and/or my descendent.

Writing off my arguments as being mere beliefs contrary to your own is
a dead end.

-- 
Ray Fischer
ray@netcom.com
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
Subject: Re: Attention!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:45:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.231533.14559@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
> 
> I proved my case and presented all the facts needed to prove it beyond
> a reasonable doubt. 

Perhaps in the dimly lit theater of your mind you did.

This boy is one funny little feller.  Keeps declaring victory
for himself no matter how stupid the posting he presents.

And Overpeck doesn't think this little feller needs a therapist?

Good night, Irene.

Dean Kaflowitz

Newsgroups: talk.abortion,talk.religion.misc,talk.politics.misc
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Re: THE CHRISTIAN VIEW
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:36:00 GMT

HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
] In <Bu26zo.6In@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu writes:
] 
] [goofiness deleted]
] 
] > Wulf                    | "Martha, it's another one of those CS majors asking
] > jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu |  if cow chips are pin-compatible with 68040s..."
] 
]   This boy don't know drieux too well, do he?  Hey drieux, I got some spare
] M-40's you can use to straighten him out...


thanks for the Offer....

We Have Tried to WARN folks what would Happen
when the SeXularHUMANISTS took over Public
education and began to distort innocent MINDS....

Now They No Longer even Acknowledge that this
is a Christian country, and that Only the Morally PURE
should be allowed to RUN it by the Divine Providence
of Divine Grace.....

ciao
drieux


12 yesrs of the Reagan-Bush Team, and still they
have not restored our God Given rights to Concubines....


-- 
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From: phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
Subject: Re: Out of the Mouths of Babes
Organization: Cadence Design Systems
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:26:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.002716.19838@noao.edu> forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:
>
>What I said was that gay men have sex with men because they hate women.

Suzanne, could you PLEASE try THINKING for once?

Your statement is exactly equivalent to:

	Straight men have sex with women because they hate men.

And	Straight women have sex with men because they hate women.

I assume you don't hate women (well, those women who refuse to allow other
women to have abortions, anyway), and I assume your husband doesn't hate men
(same caveat), so you know my two statements are false.

I've known *many* gay men, and I cannot recall a single one that I knew hated
women.  And I know for certain that most of them did *not* hate women.  I do
know of one who was *terrified* of women, but that is not the same thing.

Suzanne -- here's a free clue: Gay men have sex with men because they are
physically attracted to men.

It's *that* simple.

(I'm wondering, Suzanne, do bisexuals hate both men *and* women?)

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz)

Please don't ask me what the score is, Im not even sure what the game is.

				    - Ashleigh Brilliant
From: regard@sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Peter, do you even know how to READ? (Was: 3 docs in a 3-way).
Date: 8 Sep 1992 07:59:19 -0700
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdde.sdd.hp.com
Keywords: You expect me to mark my deletions?  Dream on...

In article <nyikos.715891740@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
>We were talking about a very specific quote from a very specific post
>by Will Steeves.   

Followed up and quoted by a number of other posters on this net.  It's not
like his dangerous foolishness appeared once and only once then disappeared.
I join Keith in being somewhat skeptical.

Adrienne Regard

Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Hey, Mr. Chaney!
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 02:33:22 GMT
Reply-To: margoli@watson.IBM.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Village Waterbed

In  <1992Sep9.230225.25137@wdl.loral.com>  bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com (J H Woodyatt) writes:
>
> (This is *not* a veiled threat, Mr. Chaney.  I am not being sarcastic,
> sardonic or coy, except to suggest to you that the man behind the
> curtain can be located and identified, and that hate breeds hate and
> violence begets violence.  Use what grey matter you have, man.)

A wonderful post, and then you blew it with the last sentence...  :-)

Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.abortion.inequity
From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: Observations
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 07:15:34 GMT
Organization: Stay Awake Software
Distribution: usa

<Bu4GIw.F1A@cs.psu.edu> beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
><xbnnk4=.gordons@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
>><Bu1EML.E6o@cs.psu.edu> beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
>>><1992Sep3.193512.23785@nwnexus.WA.COM> jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle) writes:
...
>>>>Sure.  And I'd be happy with a constitutional amendment that requires
>>>>every male child to undergo a vascectomy at 12.  They could only reverse
>>>>it (or attempt to reverse it) with written permission of their wife.
>>>>
>>>>How do you like those apples?  You want control over other people's
>>>>lives, then I'll have control over yours.
>>>
>>>With this absurd escalation, you would of course accept tubal ligation
>>>for girls at 12, reversible only by permission of a husband.  Is that 
>>>really the equivalent of consent for abortion?
>>
>>Pretty close.  I agree pretty much with Jennifer here.  If you are going
>>to legislate that the state controls a woman's womb then you had better be
>>prepared to have your testicles controlled by the state too.
>
>Okay.  I do respect your lack of hypocrisy.  I personally didn't really 
>think of tubal ligation as a rough equivalent to non-abortion, and it
>enlightens me (no sarcasm!!) that you feel strongly enough about abortion 
>to think so.

I would much prefer that the governments (Federal and State) be kept out
of personal body decisions.  Our governments have proved themselves
completely incapable of handling the simplest tasks efficiently and
fairly.


Gordon
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Message to Kodak:  Freedom for Dan Bredy.
From: lefty@apple.com (Lefty)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Attention!
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:44:58 GMT
Organization: Our Lady of Heavy Artillery

In article <1992Sep8.151356.9274@csus.edu>, chaneysa@nextnet.ccs.csus.edu
(Steve Chaney : Borg Operating Space Systems, Revision 2.0) wrote:
> 
> If everyone responded to pro-abortion flamefests like Steve Franklin did to 
> Lefty, the pro-aborts would ... be scared off of USENET...

Hate to rain on your parade, Dennis, but I seem to still be here.

Where's Stevie?

--
Lefty (lefty@apple.com)
C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.
From: kwelch@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Kevin Welch)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: There is no bottom to this pit -- is there?
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:39:01 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Sep14.202148.26421@wdl.loral.com> bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com writes:
>kwelch@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Kevin Welch) writes:
># I've never harassed a woman for being pregnant.  I usually congratulate them
># for achieving it.
>
>Do you also congratulate men for successful insemination?
>
>``Damn fine work there, Billy Joe.  I say I gots to admire that.''

Oh hee. Oh ha.
Mucho funny there.  Is it strange to congratulate someone for being
pregnant?  Is this an alien concept to you?

>J H Woodyatt (a.k.a. Dr. Strychnine)

kcw



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From: gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis)
Subject: Re: Legal Questions
Organization: University of Virginia Health Sciences Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:49:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.001851.29825@advtech.uswest.com> stevens@eatdust 
(John Stevens) writes:

}They don't need any excuses.  Because women do not WANT to be in combat
}roles.

Uh, John, my hang glider can beat up your hang glider...

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 I'm not into astrology.  We Aries folk aren't fooled by stuff like that.
From: forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: The christian perspective...?
Date: 12 Sep 92 00:50:56 GMT
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA
Originator: forgach@gemini.tuc.noao.edu

From article <24887@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, by bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense):
> 
> 1) Do you realize that the fetus draws sustenance, minerals, water, etc
> from a woman and defecates into the woman, right?

No, in fact, the baby does not defecate until after birth.  If the stress
of birth itself causes him to defecate during the birth, you have teams of
pediatritians on hand to make sure he doesn't inhale the "merconium" on
the way out, or else to treat him for it if perchance he does inhale it.


> 2) Do you realize there are women who object to this invasion 

No, since they invited them there, it is obviously not an invasion.


> 3) Do you realize that some women don't care to let a z/e/f use their
> bodies for 9 months?

Do you realize that women who abort are far less concerned about the "use
of their bodies" by the baby than they are worried about how they're going
to care for the baby after the birth?


> 4) Can you see why your vision and beliefs should not be enacted into
> law to prevent others from preventing this situation to unfold against
> their beliefs, which are most likely different from yours?

Can you see why your lack of vision should not be forced onto children
who do not share your lack of vision?


> 5) Can you see how the pro-choice position lets you enjoy your beliefs,
> while allowing others to enjoy theirs?

Can you see how the pro-"choice" position allows choice for everyone BUT
those to whom it matters most - those who die by the choice of others?


> (Unless of course yours involves
> making decisions for others against their will.)

That sure sounds like the case of abortion to me.


> Ron

Suzanne Forgach
From: smezias@wissel.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: The use of fat black ass to describe Chaney
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:46:54 GMT
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

In article <1992Sep10.233318.3316@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu
(Stephen A Chaney) writes: 
>In article <29674@wissel.GBA.NYU.EDU> smezias@wissel.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias) writes:
>>Personally, I would never use fat black ass to describe an African
>>American.  I believe that Chaney is deserving of all the put downs and
>>contempt directed at him; nonetheless, I think the use of this
>>terminology is an inappropriate racial slur.
>
>And so Stephen J. Mess covers PatricKKK Harumphrey's tracks while
>trying to make himself look good by spreading "Chaney is no good"
>propaganda. 

Hey, asshole, (Note that no physical descriptions or racial
labels are attached).

(1) How have I covered his tracks?  I stated clearly that I wouldn't
have written it, even to the likes of you.  I stated subsequently that
even if you had managed to get me pissed off enough to say it, as
unlikely as that may be, I would have apologized.

(2) Statements that `Chaney is no good' hardly qualify as propaganda.
They are descriptions of an empirically verifiable reality: Read any
of your own posts.
 
>One problem: Why is it that this feeling is only shared among the
>pro-aborts? 

Which feeling is that?  There is a widespread belief that you are a
gaping asshole.  One that cannot spell intelligent even when
attempting to apply it to describe yourself.  Is this belief what you
are describing?

SJM
Xref: sparky talk.abortion:35875 alt.birthright:454 alt.abortion.inequity:3666
From: mills@uga.edu (Kathi Mills)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.birthright,alt.abortion.inequity
Subject: Re: Pro-Life Pinhead definitely needs help!
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:42:38 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia Economics Department

> Borgie Boy

>Save money on Long Distance!
>Save unborn babies by helping support Feminists for Life

That reminds me, there is a pro-choice lonng-distance company advertisinng
on onne of the first few pages of this month's Mother Jones, on the right-
hannd side.
-- 
I feel like a gay man trapped inside a woman's body.

Ferrari (mills@rolf.stat.uga.edu)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
Subject: Re: Should abortionists be allowed to purposely kill viable fetu
Keywords: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date:  5 Sep 92 00:19:55 GMT

In <hzwy#1m@rpi.edu> cookc@aix.rpi.edu (rocker) writes:

>regard@sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:

>>In article <1992Sep1.150941.28459@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> smgarvin@nyx.cs.du.edu (susan garvin) writes:
>>>Why stop there, Dan?  You can combine the best of Nyikos and
>>>DOD's worlds by having the doctor use a BIG RUSTY NAIL to
>>>perform the procedure.

>>Yeah, AFTER he misleads her purposefully on the point of the procedure,
>>the relative risks, and denudes all libraries within a 400 mile radius
>>of "Aborted Women - Silent No More.".

>No no no, you guys don't get it!  The punchline of the story is
>actually:

>"...so you do the abortion, and it turns out that she WASN'T EVEN PREGNANT!"

>>Adrienne Regard

>                     -rocker

Thanks for the laughs [I mean it sincerely.]  And thanks for the
feedback.  For a long time last month I felt like I was all but
totally ignored.  Now I know I don't have that problem, at least.

Peter Ny.

Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis)
Subject: Re: Badges of Honor
Organization: University of Virginia Health Sciences Center
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:53:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.161750.22316@hemlock.cray.com> mon@cray.com 
(Muriel Nelson) writes:

}Even though Galen speaks for everyone now, I don't think
}he'll mind terribly if I speak for him here.
}
}No.  He wouldn't want to make it illegal.

Precisely what I would have said.  I don't mind at all.  In fact, I'm
a bit flattered that Muriel would take the time...


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Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson's rant letter
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date:  5 Sep 92 23:18:49 GMT

In <1992Sep1.175955.24063@samba.oit.unc.edu> Chuck.Lavazzi@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi) writes:


>	For those of you (like Mr. Nyikos) who seem reluctant to accept just
>how loony Pat Robertson has become, here's the AP report on his charming
>little letter/plea for $$, lifted from talk.politics.misc:

HOLD IT!  HOLD IT!  I thought this was all about Pat Buchannan.  What's
Pat Robertson doing, plagiarizing his lines?????

>> NY Times, p.A16, 8/26/92
>>
>> ROBERTSON LETTER ATTACKS FEMINISTS
>>
>> -----
>> Says Effort in Iowa Supports Witches and Child Killers
>> -----
>>
>> DES MOINES, Aug 25 (AP) -- A fund-raising letter written by the
>> evangelist Pat Robertson in opposition to a proposed equal rights
>> amendment to the Iowa Constitution suggests that feminists want women
>> to kill their children and practice witchcraft.
>>
>> The equal rights amendment, on which Iowans will vote Nov. 3, is a
>> broadly worded measure that would bar sex discrimination.
>>
>> But Mr. Robertson's letter, distributed late last month to supporters
>> of the evangelical organization Christian Coalition, described the
>> proposal as part of a "feminist agenda" that "is not about equal
>> rights for women."
>>
>> Instead, the letter said, "it is about a socialist, anti-family,
>> political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands,
>> kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and
>> become lesbians."

Or is it Pat Buchannan plagiarizing Pat Robertson?

Peter Ny.

Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: scotts@CS.CMU.EDU (Scott Safier)
Subject: Re: Chaney's sig
Originator: scotts@MORPHEUS.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<1992Sep8.153321.10167@csus.edu>
	<SCOTTS.92Sep8173613@MORPHEUS.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU>
	<BuAoD7.FM4.2@cs.cmu.edu>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 04:00:35 GMT

In article <BuAoD7.FM4.2@cs.cmu.edu> garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:

   In article <SCOTTS.92Sep8173613@MORPHEUS.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU> scotts@CS.CMU.EDU (Scott Safier) writes:
   #In any article (Stephen A Total Idiot Chaney) writes:
   #
   #A 25 line sig!?!

   Maybe he's decided that .sig size, rather than killfile size, determines
   manhood.  (And he's obviously very concerned about his manhood, or
   as he says, "manlihood".)

Oh, well Steve's my honey (remember all those sweet love e-letters he
sent me).   I only go for men with a lot of "manlihood".

   Chaney seems not to recognize that the anti-Semitism he displays
   contradicts his claims in the next part of his .sig.  Of course,
   he doesn't seem to realize that his repeated references to "feminazis"
   and bra burning contradict his "feminist" self-description.

Oh, ya.  I almost forgot about his anti-Semitism.  When it comes to
Chaney, I get stuck on his lack of coherence and inability to engage
in a rationale discussion.  With everything that is going on,
sometimes its hard to pick out all his faults.

   [I asked who does he think he's kidding when he implies he's
    against disparate treatment of gays, lesbians and bisexuals].
   The same people he thinks he's kidding with the rest of his rants.
   (I wish you'd saved that e-mail.)

The e-mail started when Chaney objected to my position in NARAL (local
steering committee, big fucking deal.  I get to have dessert with
Arlen Specter (that scum sucking pig).)  He ranted about how he was
Kate Michelman's worst nightmare and how he personally was going to
destroy the pro-choice movement with his flawlessly logical arguments.
He kept talking about how he was going to win and score all these
points -- I thought he got abortion confused with a basketball game.

I *can* always dig up the mail messages.  Carnegie Mellon is not some
half-baked teacher's college (like CSUS).  It's real hard to
permanently loose something on our systems.

   [Chaney on civil rights]
   He doesn't seem to know what civil rights are.  

Chaney has a lot of problems with many concepts.  Fetus/baby,
liberty/slavery, sectarian/secular,...

   Maybe his mommy and daddy should buy him more picture books on
   the subject.  

I don't think they'd do it.  Would you admit it if he was your child?

Scott
From: kwelch@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Kevin Welch)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: control
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:44:30 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Eric
>Kevin
>>CJ

>>Yes she could be raped; I never said that was NOT a possibility.  My use of
>>"pants" referred to abstinence.  Obviously, very few of you  understood
>>the reference.

>I understood it, Mr. Welch. It's very difficult to be abstinent when
>a man is holding you down to the floor, ripping your clothes off,
>and forcibly penetrating you. Your snide comment was an insult to
>rape victims everywhere.

Rape wasn't the issue I was addressing, Eric.  But since everyone thinks
I was referring to rape TOO, then let me apologize for the comment.  But
since I was NOT referring to rape, rather general abstinence, I stick to
my words and I won't recant.

The problem with you, Eric, is that you look for that one loop hole that
has been exposed...that one minor, minor flaw in my statements.  Again I
am a victim of my own thoughts, that is to say I never considered the impact
of such a small general statement.  It's a case of assumption.  But in
this case, I feel my assumption was justified.

>Eric Rescorla, DoD#431 (Nighthawk S)              rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu

kcw



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