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From: rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Legalizing drugs
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:29:48 GMT
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Originator: rja@mahogany126


In article <1992Nov10.130731.25152@linus.mitre.org>, lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
> In article <22858@venera.isi.edu>, allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard) writes:
> >I vote FOR legalizing drugs, under the following conditions.
> >
> >It will not be legal to advertise the newly legalized drugs.
> >
> >Drugs sales will only be made through government run or regulated drug
> >counciling programs.  The price of drugs will be very low, since their
> >current high cost is due to the risk involved in selling them. 
> 
> You just lost the Wall Street vote.  Drugs could be big (legitimate)
> business.  Marijuana manufacturers would compete to provide the best 
> tasting, smoothest pot.  
> 
> Imagine if the US government made all of the beer in this country.  There
> would be two kinds:  US Regular and US Light.

No.  Probably just US Regular.  Marketing reseach at Miller found that 
drinkers (ie aging baby boomers) wanted a lower calorie beer, but did 
not want the "stigma" of drinking a diet beer.  Hence Miller came up
with "Lite" beer.  (Which creates the delema for labeling a diet dark
beer.  What do you call it, Dark light?)


-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: djh@osc.edu (David Heisterberg)
Subject: Re: Hey! Libertarians only got 37,000 votes
Organization: The Ohio Supercomputer Center
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 19:56:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.235901.5477@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>	I think a lot of lib voters split the ticket and went for Perot at the
>top.

Could be.  Local Libertarian candidates got more votes than Marrou in
central Ohio.
-- 
David J. Heisterberg (djh@osc.edu)       What men value is not rights
The Ohio Supercomputer Center            but privileges.
Columbus, Ohio                             -- H.L. Mencken
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Thank you, Anita Hill
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:54:04 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

>bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () writes:
>
>Let's hope that 4 years of Clinton will help undo the damage to
>the credibility of the U.S. Supreme Court inflicted by 12 years
>of cynical selections of unqualified candidates.

Robert Bork was the most qualified man in America to serve on the court.
It was cynical rejection of a highly qualified candidate for political
purposes by the DEMOCRATS that kept him off the court.

 -Steve
--
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.war.vietnam
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Amusing Technical Aside
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:46:27 GMT

olsenm@ccmail.orst.edu (Monte Olsen) writes:
] In article <Bx86zC.2Fr@cs.uiuc.edu> David Kohr,
] drk@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
] >Yes, it's a shame they didn't appreciate our efforts to
] brutalize them with
] >free-fire zones, carpet bombing, defoilation, and our
] support for the South
] >Vietnamese police state.
] >-- 
] Dave,
] I've decided it's doing no good to respond to you. You've
] got your thoughts on the matter, and I've got mine. We're
] not going to change either of our minds. 
 
Interesting Aside Comment on Clarifying who be who.

When the Evil Somoza was the IkkyYukky Dictator of
Nicaraugua, he never had the comfort of the the
levels of Armoured Vehicles as the Subsequent Sandindista
"peaceful" Regime....

But Somoza, unlike the Sandindistas, was a WarMonger...
And IkkyYukky Police State....

We Can Only Hope that David Kohr will take the time
to read 'Vietnames Gulag' and notice the Big Difference
between the Evil S.Vietnamese Police State where Dissidents
could get Access to the 'LiberalMedia' and seek legal appeals.

Unlike the Correct Thinking, Forward Looking, Progressive
Policies of the Communists, who understood that Dissidents
suffered from 'Mental Illness' and needed to be 'cured.'

] Monte
] (War mongering baby killer and village burner that I am)

Technical Hit there Monte, the term is:

WarMongerBabyKiller[tm]

A wholely owned, Registered Trademark of

WarMongersAreUs[tm] The Leading Edge Purveyors
of DeathMerchants Inc. the world over.

ciao
drieux

ps: why is it that Lobbing Mortars into the Hamlet
market place on market day is a form of Revolutionary Justice.
{especially if it is a soviet made 82 or 122mm....}

But when Brutal Vicious WarMongerBabyKillers[tm] have
a round fall short, this is a Clear Indication of their
Genocidal Racist Intentions....



-- 
Modern Day Problems:

just because you may NOT have root on your machine
does not mean I do NOT have root on my machine!!!!
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
From: jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe)
Subject: Re: Caution: objects in election are closer than they appear
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 17:02:40 EST
Organization: IFS Project, University of Michigan
Reply-To: jwh@citi.umich.edu

In article <1992Nov5.183351.14559@informix.com>, davek@informix.com (David Kosenko) writes:
|> In article <!D==Qt-@engin.umich.edu> jwh@citi.umich.edu writes:
|> >Cornell Kinderknecht writes:
|> >|> 
|> >|> It's interesing that many people were wanting Congressional term
|> >|> limitations yet very few people exercised their power of limiting
|> >|> incumbent terms with their vote.
|> >
|> >I heard the networks make this comment as well.  I think you have to
|> >look at the situation deeper to understand what happened.  Without
|> >term limits, the incumbent has the overwhelming advantage in both
|> >the primaries and the general election.  [...]
|> 
|> On NPR, one commentator described it as "Stop me before I vote again!"
|> 
|> My personal belief is that most people in favor of term limits really mean
|> "there should be term limits on all those *other* reps, but I want to be
|> able to keep voting for mine, since they bring home the bacon.  Having
|> a senior rep/senator is advantageous, as they know the ins and outs of
|> the system, and can, as a result, more effectively serve their constituents
|> (after all, Mr. Smith Goes to Washington is about as far from reality as
|> you can get).  The key word in that last sentence is "can", which is far
|> different from "will".  The real problem with incumbency is, of course, that
|> the power derived from that seniority is likely to corrupt.  Oftentimes
|> the constituents really don't know what shenanigans their rep/senator is
|> up to (how many of us track our rep/senator's voting/attendence/spending
|> records?).  The problem is, they don't care, so long as it
|> doesn't cost them anything (or at least that they don't perceive it as such).
|> Voters don't think "what a crud - he got us millions for a new bypass, but
|> it drove up the deficit by millions," but rather "Congress has driven up
|> the deficit, the cruds, but at least our rep is good, since he got us
|> money for that new bypass."
|> 

I agree with this assesment as well.  My feeling is that we should have
a Constitutional ammendment defining term limitations so we have a constant
across the country.  I think it is in the best interest of the entire
country to prevent unsightly seniority buildup.  I don't believe it is
in the national interest that states with more senior reps have advantages
that other states don't have.  Congress could, of course, reform
the seniority system, but I prefer the slightly stronger Constitutional
approach.


James W. Howe                  internet: jwh@citi.umich.edu
University of Michigan             uucp: uunet!mailrus!citi.umich.edu!jwh
Ann Arbor, MI   48103-4943         
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.rumors,alt.activism
From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber)
Subject: Re: Anita Hill to Head EEOC
Summary: bork borked cuomo mafia litmus test blackmun retire dungheap
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:17:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.000435.12095@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, parrish@ecn.purdue.edu (Stephen L. Parrish) writes:
> 
> The most qualified judge in recent memory was thrown out... Bork anyone?
> Perhaps Thomas realizes the essence of Affirmative Action anyway-- a 
> discriminatory system to fulfill quotas.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Stephen Parrish              |  "Do not speak to me of good men, bind them
> Purdue University            |   with the chains of the constitution"
> School of Nuclear Engineering|   --  Thomas Jefferson  (roughly) 
> parrish@gn.ecn.purdue.edu    |  KEMP/Powell '96   (If the US survives '92-96)

     If you can, and I intend this to all on the net, find a copy
of Bork's tome and read it, if you haven't done so already.  For a 
class in American politics last term, I referenced Bork many, many
times WRT judicial interpretation.  It IS slow reading (intelligent
thought on paper takes some time to comprehend), but well worth it.
I especially encourage reading it to those of you who may have disagreed
with Bork's opinions based solely upon the media coverage; the man has
a great deal of depth.  

     The main problem that those opposed to Bork had was that he was going
to actually read and interpret based solely upon the words within.  Imagine
that -- interpreting the nation's law on that which is written, rather
than on a whim.

     On another point...I believe that we should begin to start a collection
                        fund to catheterize the Republicans in the Senate,
                        as well as 'friendly' Democrats, so that the true
                        power of the filibuster can be seen.

                        If anyone can think of an adequate name for this
                        collection fund, post it (I'd love to read it.)

__________       __________       __________      __________   __________
: KEMP   :       :  KEMP  :       :  KEMP  :      :  KEMP  :   :  KEMP  :
: POWELL :       : POWELL :       : POWELL :      : POWELL :   : POWELL :
:   96   :       :   96   :       :   96   :      :   96   :   :   96   :
__________       __________       __________      __________   __________

            Kevin L. Stamber
            Purdue University
            Graduate School of Industrial Engineering

            ZIVIO, JAGR, ZIVIO

Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: What CMFN can accomplish? (Re: MFN under Clinton Administration)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:59:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.013333.1778@netcom.com> kemnitz@netcom.com (Greg Kemnitz) writes:
>
>The Chinese government is the one who has to be "pragmatic" here.  Clinton
>has committed to CMFN on the campaign trail, and the liberal wing of his
>party will hold him to it.  Additionally, the protectionist forces will jump
>all over Clinton if he dares advocate UMFN - remember that those groups helped
>Clinton get elected.  That fight is not one he is really interested in
>fighting, since he'll need all the support in Congress he can get to get his
>domestic program through, and presidents don't win re-election by their
>China policy, although they can lose by it (cf Woodrow Wilson and Shandong, and
>many politicians in the 1950's).
>
>As Joe Wang points out, the "pragmatism" here is to make sure the "C" in CMFN
>is something which can be achieved by the PRC government.  UMFN is, IMHO, a
>dead issue.
>
>Remember that Bush was personally and directly involved with the Nixon
>opening to China.  Clinton and the new Administration have no such loyalties.
>The PRC will have to get used to a harder line from the US and know that the
>number of friends it has in the US government has decreased trememdously, to
>its lowest level since the 1960's.
>

Greg,

   If what you said becomes reality, I will be very sad as many
others. A trade war is not good for both the economy of China and
that of United States. CFMN is really not a wise final solution,
if used beyond a political card. Japan is still the largest 
opponents for the United States, but both were still cautious in
the bargains. An advantage for China is that a much larger market
is still being opened by US.

   I really doubt that Clinton can afford to take that risk.
From: phsjjc@emrycc.cc.emory.edu (JAMES J. CEN)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Forward: Shen Tong? (IX)
Date: 10 Nov 1992 11:52:51 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

heping%plasma@gatech.edu (Heping He) writes:

>Hey, you don't need post the same article towice to make your voice
>louder!

>Heping

Hi,
        thank you for pointing that out for me.  the mailer here indicated
that the first attempt was bounced.  that's why I made the second posting.
you are absolutely right, posting twice does not make my voice any louder.
thanks again for your interest.

James

Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: "(Ye)" <stacc0@QUANTUM.FIU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: homework...
Reply-To: "(Ye)" <stacc0@QUANTUM.FIU.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:04:09 GMT
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

So far you guys only discussed half of the homework. The other half, what
I call 'adopted home work' has not been touched upon. We shall also look
at the pluses and minuses of MFN status for China from our adopted home's
point of view. Even for those who consider US as a temperary home, it's
still a common practice to help do the dishes etc. As to those brats who
only want a home but not homework...
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: jiang@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Fenglai Jiang)
Subject: Re: Prostitutes from China 
Organization: University of Engineering, College of Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 21:58:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov2.223929.8313@msdhsv.ingr.com> Dayie writes:
>A comparison can be drawn between prostitutes and "blood carders":
>
>Dayie
>
	I believe this Dayie is the some person as Shannon Yeh. Please
do not play this kind of tricks, Dayie or Shannon or whatever. You can 
just use your original name, no one can stop your crying and yelling. 
But please behave reasonablly and logically. Stop personnal attacks and
using those dirty words.  

Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng)
Subject: Re:  MFN, Clinton and IFCSS
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 07:39:20 GMT

In article <BxFE69.C71@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Yuan M Jiang <ymj1@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU> writes:
>>campaign against Bush, Clinton may have to be sticked to CMFN, which
>>most likely, if not definitely, causes China to lose MFN to avoid others
>
>Again, it should be pointed out that China will not lose MFN.  Only
>the products from state-owned companies will lose the tariff benefit.
>This may not be a bad thing because it will force the encourage the
>state-owned companies to be converted to private owned.

It should be also pointed out that:

 the American government can use the CMFN bill to carry out unfair
 trade with China.

 it is impossible to let the state-owned companies to become private
 owned in only one year, although I prefer China to develop private
 ownership. 


J Su   



Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: JXL124@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Ozone Man's Beauty (Re: China's MFN)
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:36:52 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Mr. Hou:  Let's put aside your romantic writing for a while.  Do you have any
analysis on the recent situation of the bill s1216?  Luo.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china,soc.culture.china
From: IFCSS HQ <ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      IFCSS HQ NR-4068: IFCSS Officers to visit local campuses
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:02:34 GMT

**************************************************************
IFCSS Headquarters News Release No. 4068     November 13, 1992
          IFCSS OFFICERS TO VISIT LOCAL CAMPUSES
**************************************************************
Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars (IFCSS)
   733 15th Street, N.W., Suite 440, Washington, D.C.20005
         Tel. (202)347-0017  Fax: (202)347-0018
                Email: ifcss@wam.umd.edu



          IFCSS Officers to Visit Local Campuses
          ======================================


Dear IFCSS Members:

     As part of this term's plan to strengthen the ties between
the HQ and local CSS community, the HQ officers will divide into
two groups to visit several states during the Thanksgiving holiday
period.

     Geng Xiao, President of IFCSS, and Shi Heping, Assistant
to the President and Chairman of Public Relations and Government
Affairs Committee, will attend a reception in the University of
Washington honoring Senator Slade Gorton on November 24. They
also plan to visit several campuses in Washington, Oregon and
probably Idaho and Montana.

     He Baoping, Vice-president, and Zhang Qingsong, Executive
Director, will team up to visit some schools in South Carolina,
Georgia and Florida and probably some other Southeastern states
starting from November 21.

     Their missions are:

     -- to answer questions about the implementation of S1216
     -- to listen to the views and concerns of the local students
     -- to collect information about the local CSS community
     -- to meet and talk to local CSS leaders
     -- to introduce this term's plans and short-term and long-term
           prospects of IFCSS

     IFCSS officers will pay visits to other regions in December
and the first half of 1993.

     During the Thanksgiving holiday period,  the HQ will remain
open and some one will be in  the office to answer telephone.

     Thanks for your attention.


*********************************************************************
*                 IFCSS Headquarters Office                         *
*                 =========================                         *
* President:      Geng Xiao  Assistant to the President: Shi Heping *
* Vice-President: He Baoping     Executive Director: Zhang Qingsong *
*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*
*                   The Missions of IFCSS                           *
* Promote freedom, democracy, human rights and rule of law in China *
* Assist the development of  scienece, culture and economy in China *
* Represent the interests of Chinese students and scholars in U.S.A *
* IFCSS is a non-profit organization and has tax-exempt status. To  *
* donate, please make checks payable to "IFCSS" and send to:        *
*   IFCSS, 733 15th St. N.W., Suite 440, Washington D.C., 20005"    *
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: Yuan M Jiang <ymj1@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re:  china-nt: Homeworks
Reply-To: Yuan M Jiang <ymj1@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:50:03 GMT
Comments: To: CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu

I'm sure Shen Tong will come up with a different statistics from
what your husband got.

Raymond Luh got a different one too: Chinese don't need human rights.

Sorry for the tone I used here.  The poll was actually conducted by People's
 Daily.
From: yawei@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (~{QG9p~})
Subject: Re: MFN, Clinton and IFCSS...
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:58:41 GMT


Lee Hamilton, a House member who has a chance to become the secretary
of state in the Clinton administration, represents a district which
used to include the apartment buillding I live in.  He voted twice
against the CMFN bills, once despite my lobbying, I should say. 

If Hamilton does make it to the State Dept, that I don't think we
need to fear too much about China losing MFN ...


Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Dai Qing's cheap talk
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 02:24:36 GMT

In article <9211080051.AA11076@neptune.ctr.columbia.edu> yjj@ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang) writes:
>Words from Dai Qing are to cheap.
>
>>3. Dai Qing: China's Most-Favored-Nation Trade Status Necessary ......... 60
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>By: George Zhu
>>Source: CND, 11/3/92
>
>>CAMBRIDGE, Mass. -- Dai Qing, a leading Chinese journalist and writer, said
>>in an interview on Oct. 28 that the United States should continue its
>>most-favored-nation trade status to China "for the sake of ordinary Chinese
>
>The conditional granting MFN bill will only remove the tariff benefit from
>the government owned companies.  It will not hurt the private enterprise
>and business.  it will promote private enterprise in China.
>
>>"Since I did what I did, I should bear its consequences," Dai emphasized.
>
>What kind of jail did she go?  Of course she could bear the consequences.
>What a cheap talk.  Can she bear the kind of jail Wei Jinsheng, Liu Qing
>and many otehrs have been?
Jail term   hardship contest! Cann't you find better arguments?
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Dai Qing's cheap talk
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:12:13 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <9211080051.AA11076@neptune.ctr.columbia.edu> yjj@ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang) writes:
>The conditional granting MFN bill will only remove the tariff benefit from
>the government owned companies.  It will not hurt the private enterprise
>and business.  it will promote private enterprise in China.

The bill last year applied only to government firms.  The bill the
year before did not have this exemption.  The bill next year may or
may not depending on a lot of things including what Clinton thinks about
all of this.

Also, it's probable that "state-owned" firms will include cooperative
firms which make up a good portion of Chinese industry.


Newsgroups: talk.politics.china