HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh)
Subject: Re: hunting dog wanted
Organization: University of Toronto Computing Disciplines Facility
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:48:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.140938.20138@dragon.acadiau.ca> trudel@dragon.acadiau.ca (Andre Trudel) writes:
>Here's what I'm looking for: I want to purchase a dog that will
>be used to specifically hunt pheasant. Yes, the dog will be used for hunting.
[...]
>I'm puzzled
>as to how this simple request for information could cause so much 
>controversy?

Because some of us are opposed to needless suffering and death, such as that
caused by humans hunting.

(If anyone is interested in this issue, please note that follow-ups have been
set to talk.politics.animals.)
-- 
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g9rwaigh@cdf.utoronto.ca   University of Toronto
 "You have just dined, and however scrupulously the slaughterhouse is
  concealed in the graceful distance of miles, there is complicity." - Emerson
Newsgroups: can.general,ont.general,soc.culture.canada
From: pamela@sscux1.ssc.gov (pamela gurd)
Subject: Re: 1993 income tax rates (combined federal/Ontario)
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:03:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.051622.4947@sq.sq.com> dave@lsuc.on.ca (David Sherman) writes:
>In article <iq0oXB1w165w@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca> lisa@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca writes:
>
>>b) A girlfriend who is recently separated from her husband is under
>>   the impression that if her ex were to pay her child support in *annual*
>>   lump sum payments, he would not be able to declare those lump sum
>>   payments for child support deductions.  Is this true?  (He would of course,
>>   be able to declare deductions for child support payments made on a monthly
>>   basis.)
>
>It's correct if it's clear that these are lump sum payments and not support.
>That will require interpreting the agreement or court order.  Generally,
>if payments are "periodic" they take on the deductible/taxable status.
>
It seems to me from Lisa's wording that these payments are, indeed,
support.  Also, annual payments are still "periodic" - just with a
longer period.  My lawyer thought annual payments would still be
taxable for me (besides being impossible for my ex- to get together.)

Pam.


Newsgroups: can.general,soc.culture.canada
From: sl@wimsey.bc.ca (Stuart Lynne)
Subject: Re: Vancouver area weather
Organization: Wimsey Information Services
Distribution: can
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:13:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.163435.3144@cs.sfu.ca> jstrickl@cs.sfu.ca (James Strickland) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.002649.22341@cunews.carleton.ca> wcsswag@alfred.carleton.ca (The Charlatan) writes:
>
>I'll answer your P.S. for the benefit of those who have never seen
>this (i.e Vancouverites :-) :-))
>
>more than a metre above the fire hydrant.  At the top is a small octagon.

>I seem to recall that there are also tall markers at the edge of
>some curves in rural areas, so that the snowplows know where the
>road is supposed to be.

We have the road markers if you leave the lower mainland. And if 
you head up to Whistler there a lot of the signs are on poles
like:

	-----------
	|         |
	|         |
	|       -----
	|       |   |
	|       |   |
	|       -----
	|
	|
	|
	|
	|
	|

The signs are about 8 feet up and there is 3-4 feet of clearance
and they still get covered up :-)

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From: buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland)
Newsgroups: can.general,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Vancouver area weather
Date: 26 Jan 1993 01:46:02 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services, UBC, Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: swiss.ucs.ubc.ca

 After a few days of not very much happening except for almost
 imperceptible thawing, we had what was supposed to be moderate
 rain, but turned out to be snow.
 
 Then last night it _rained_.  My lawn is now clear but for the
 remains of the shovelled snow alongside the drive.  The never-
 shovelled sidewalk across the street has reappeared.  And the
 pool cover had so much rain water on it, it was in danger of
 overflowing - physics dictates that the water level _under_ the
 cover is as high as that on top, so an overflow would be a mix
 of rainwater and a chemical mix that is OK for us to swim in
 but may not be released into the creek at the back of our lot,
 so overflow must be prevented (besides, God knows what would
 happen to the cover and the timber lengths that hold it down).
 Since the portable pump and its discharge hose were still
 buried in the snow, this morning saw the spectacle of me pouring
 pails of hot water on the snow, hose and pump to thaw things out,
 then, when that didn't work too well, resorting to dumping the
 pump into a pail of hot water to make it thaw _itself_ out.
 Then I had to break a hole in the ice sheet floating on top of
 all that new rainwater so that I could drop the pump through
 and start what will probably be about two days of removing
 the rainwater from the cover.
 
 The above submitted for the entertainment of Easterners who
 have probably never engaged in just these activities.
From: leffler@physics.ubc.ca (Steve Leffler )
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: submitting federal tax returns via modem
Date: 22 Jan 1993 21:05:02 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
Distribution: can
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.ubc.ca

scooper6@mach1.wlu.ca (stephen cooper 9209 U) writes:

>In article <PHILIP.108.0@shark.stmarys.ca> PHILIP@shark.stmarys.ca (Philip Howard (Computer Services)) writes:
>>Is anyone here (virtually, speaking) submitting their tax return via modem? 
>>

>Perhaps since this is the first year they're doing this, they want some
>controls on how this works.
   .
   .
   .
>   Now with the new
>rules allowing for electronic submission of returns, perhaps this time will
>be cut down to a couple weeks???  If this is the case, I may not bother with
>CashBack because they take a 15% discount!

   I believe this is the second year for computer filing.  I also seem to
recall hearing that people who filed by computer last year and requested
automatic bank deposit of their refund were able to get it very fast.

				     ---Steven Leffler
					leffler@physics.ubc.ca

Newsgroups: can.general,talk.politics.animals
From: pelton@ecf.toronto.edu (PELTON MATTHEW ALAN)
Subject: Re: Killing animals (was Re: hunting dog wanted)
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:26:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.142223.20600@cdf.toronto.edu> g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh) writes:
>In article <4078@isgtec.isgtec.com> robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne) writes:
>>Rosemary Waigh (g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu) wrote:
>[...]
>>Maybe now you can explain why it's ok to painlessly kill vegatables for
>>food but it isn't ok to painlessly kill animals for food.  
>
>1.  I question whether it is possible to painlessly kill animals.
>2.  Animals are sentient.  They care whether they live or die.  To kill
>    them is to go against their wishes.  Killing non-human animals is wrong 
>    for the same reasons that killing human animals is wrong.

  And what is that reason?

>    Plants, OTOH, do not care whether they live or die (yes, I have read
>    _The_Secret_Life_of_Plants_ which alleges that plants can feel pain).
>
>A question for you:  do you think it is ok to painlessly kill humans?

  No.  I start with the principle that it is wrong to kill people.  What
principle do you start with.
  Also -- do you really think animals are conscious?


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From: robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: hunting dog wanted
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:05:34 GMT
Followup-To: can.general
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Rosemary Waigh (g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu) wrote:
> trudel@dragon.acadiau.ca (Andre Trudel) writes:
> >I'm looking for a finished pointing dog for pheasant hunting.
> >Anybody know of a Canadian breeder/trainer that has some for
> >sale?
>
> How cruel.

Yawn.  How predictable.
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From: ddjohnson@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Liberal Party Tax Policy
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:13:28 -0800
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <1993Jan25.123205.21600@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
> The Liberals are being fundamentally dishonest on the tax issue, which
> is why they don't deserve to be elected...the same goes for the NDP.
> 
> The Tories, Reform, and the National Party are not really attractive
> alternatives, but each is at least unambiguously clear on tax policy.

Did Mel Hurtig write this? The NDP dishonest on tax policy?
They've been pretty consistant, based on what I've read over the 
past few years.

DDJ
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From: Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Broughton)
Subject: Re:Canadian driving American-owned car in Canada -- illegal?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:12:16 GMT

> Wayne Hayes writes:
>
> They informed me that Canada has some law stating that
> a Canadian citizen cannot drive an American-owned car in Canada.  Has
> anyone ever heard of this?  What is the rational for it?  Is there any
> way around it?
>

I've run into this also. It's not just Canadian citizens, either; Any
resident of Canada. My parents live in the States, and a few years ago, they
offered to loan me their pickup truck for a few weeks. I only got it as far
as the border crossing.

The rationale wasn't explained to me, but I suspect it has to do with law
enforcement, liability insurance, or both. If this vehicle were stolen after
you brought it in, the RCMP has better things to do with their resources than
track this stolen car down. (Remember, no Canadian taxes were paid on this
vehicle.)

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"We calm and reassure. We embrace people with the message that we're
all in it together. That our leaders are infallible and that there is
nothing, absolutely nothing wrong." - Miles Drentell, _thirtysomething_
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Newsgroups: can.general,soc.culture.canada
From: acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih)
Subject: Re: Vancouver area weather
Distribution: can
Date: 28 Jan 93 03:51:30 GMT

In <1k18uvINNdn1@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong) writes:

>In article <1993Jan21.204409.6776@cs.sfu.ca> jstrickl@cs.sfu.ca (James Strickland) writes:

>Hey, I ('m from Vancouver and) like snow. In fact, during the winter
>months, shoveling snow is just about the only excercise I get. :)

It would seem that "exercise" is a relative term.  When I visited,
the non-planarity of Vancouver itself made *walking* feel like
exercise! :-)

ACS
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From: acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih)
Newsgroups: can.general,talk.politics.animals
Subject: Re: Killing animals (was Re: hunting dog wanted)
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:29:15 GMT

In <1993Jan26.193225.4634@cdf.toronto.edu> g0ack@cdf.toronto.edu (Andy Brownbill) writes:

>In article <C1H6Jq.13M@ecf.toronto.edu> pelton@ecf.toronto.edu (PELTON MATTHEW ALAN) writes:
>>
>>  First worms aren't animals, and then they live after you cut them in half.
>>Where do you people get your information?  Worms -- at least earthworms, which
>>is what we're talking about -- sure are classified as animals.  And the 
>>two halfs might crawl away after you cut the thing in half, but they die soon
>>afterwards.  A chicken runs around after you cut its head off, but it's dead 
>>soon...

>I remember being told this way back in grade school. Unfortunately, the
>ground here is frozen, and I can not get any worms to try this out. When
>the ground thaws, though, I'll take knife to worm and let you know what
>happens. 

Just look in someone's composter.  These things function through the
winter and there's a very good chance that there are some active worms
that will writhe in agony for you as you conduct your experiments.

And now for our next controversial topic: Animal Research.

ACS

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Newsgroups: can.general
From: charles@cs.UAlberta.CA (Charles Jobagy)
Subject: Re: Is it anything known how much do get MPs and MPPs?
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 22:30:15 GMT

cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne) writes:

>Based on the (drastically overstated) estimate that each MP receives
>$200,000 (tax-free), the total cost for 282 MPs would be $56.4
>million.

>Your share of that lies somewhere between $2 and $4, depending on your
>tax bracket.

>I'm sorry, but the amount is NOT SIGNIFICANT, and the savings are not
>even worth talking about.  On the scale of the overall government
>budget, the probably $30 million that gets paid out to MPs is not
>terribly significant.

Then why ask for suggestions on how to improve the sytem through increasing
their pay? Oh ,by the way, $30 million is a very signifcant amount to most
people that I know.

>To spend time figuring out how to save a few million dollars on MP
>salaries would take away time from figuring out how to deal with BIG
>ticket items.

>Choose your favorite government "boondoggle."  Almost any of them of
>them amount would individually to probably 100 times as much money as
>could be saved on MP salaries.  Any $1B wastage is equivalent to the
>pay for the MPs for a goodly 20 years.

Symbolism. Although the saving s is small in comparison, we must show that
the elected leader is responsible for their actions. Since the result of
their actions has been bankrupting us all, then they should receive a
negative reward. This will send a message to all of the population that
the free ride in government is over.

>There's a saying about "penny-wise, pound-foolish."  This is a case
>where it applies.  People might feel "really good" about saving the
>country a tax burden of about $5M per year, and not bother watching
>for the other bigger problems.

More the case of penny-foolish, pound-foolish. Raising a family has really
taught me the worth of dealing with little as well as large problems.
Funny how most of it apllies when you also deal with "adults".

>-- 
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Charles Jobagy
charles@cs.ualberta.ca
Newsgroups: can.general
From: trudel@dragon.acadiau.ca (Andre Trudel)
Subject: Re: hunting dog wanted
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:09:38 GMT

wagner@mala.bc.ca writes:
>In article <1993Jan19.030245.20824@mongrel.UUCP>, amdunn@mongrel.UUCP (Andrew M. Dunn) writes:
>> In article <1993Jan18.171509.3685@cdf.toronto.edu> g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh) writes regarding breeders for hunting dogs:
>>>
>>>How cruel.
>> 
>> Why should knowing a breeder of hunting dogs be cruel?   That's what Mr.
>> Trudel was looking for...
>> 
>BESIDE WHICH, JUST BECAUSE HE WANTS A HUNTING DOG DOES THAT MEAN HE HAS TO GO
>HUNTING.
etc....



I was away for the last few days and missed the replies that were
posted to my original article. The replies have since been deleted/cancelled
on our system. I therefore don't know how the discussion got
to this point.

Here's what I'm looking for: I want to purchase a dog that will
be used to specifically hunt pheasant. Yes, the dog will be used for hunting.
My preference is for a trained pointing dog (e.g., vizsla, weimaraner,
german shorthair, etc.) Besides being a hunter, I also expect
this dog to become a companion and a member of the family.

I couldn't find a suitable dog in the area that I live in, so I decided
to geographically widen my search by posting to this group. I'm puzzled
as to how this simple request for information could cause so much 
controversy?


If anybody posted info about a dog, could you please send me email
because I missed most of the postings.

Newsgroups: can.general
From: bspencer@cs.mcgill.ca (Brian SPENCER)
Subject: The Recession is Over
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:40:27 GMT


StatsCan has announced that the recession is over. Everybody can now go
back to their jobs.


What fools!

Newsgroups: can.general
From: aa479@Freenet.carleton.ca (Michael Wolff)
Subject: handheld scanners
Reply-To: aa479@Freenet.carleton.ca (Michael Wolff)
Organization: The National Capital Freenet
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:10:27 GMT


I'm interested in hearing other people's experiences with handheld scanners,
both for OCR and for imaging.  I'm especially interested in hearing about 32 vs
256 grayscales for printing purposes, or about anyone who has had dealings with
Envisions Solutions Technology Inc.  Thank you very much.  I'll post my results.
-- 
Our thoughts were young, our spirits high.
We all looked like the happy guy!

I am:  Mike Wolff....
Newsgroups: can.general,talk.politics.animals
From: charles@cs.UAlberta.CA (Charles Jobagy)
Subject: Re: Killing animals (was Re: hunting dog wanted)
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:32:02 GMT

g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh) writes:

>I thought it was obvious that being opposed to needless suffering and death
>includes being opposed to the slaughtering of domestic animals for food
>(a practice which usually causes much more suffering than hunting).

Guess it depends on the hunter. Truth is the painless type of kills are
the most difficult shots and are discouraged.

>ObCanadian:  Hudson's Bay Company no longer sells fur! :-)  (If they can
>             stop selling fur, why can't Eaton's?)

Consumer demand and freedom of choice.

>-- 
>Rosemary Waigh             Undergraduate, Computer Science / Linguistics
>g9rwaigh@cdf.utoronto.ca   University of Toronto
> "You have just dined, and however scrupulously the slaughterhouse is
>  concealed in the graceful distance of miles, there is complicity." - Emerson

Yummy, yummy, yummy, I got beef in my tummy
And I won't let you take it away

Charles Jobagy
charles@cs.ualberta.ca


Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Liberal Party Tax Policy
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Deep Space Nine (DS9)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:07:38 GMT

golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>>
>>3) review of the tax system with the purpose of abolishing the GST 
>>and redistributing the tax burden on the PRINCIPLE of fairness, 
>>equity ad ability to pay.
>
>That is not a policy...the GST raises $20 billion dollars...specifically
>tell us how the Liberal Party is going to raise $20 billion dollars.

Even Jean Chretien, embarking on his western tour, said that the tax
income must be accounted for in one way or another ... I just can't
believed that people up north will fall for a shell game removing the
GST and placing the tax same somewhere else.  The merits of the GST
have been that (theoretically) with the substitution for the wholesale
tax that was hidden, consumers would have a truer sticker price ...
and, manufacturers won't have to "advance" the wholesale tax payments
to the federal government and then receive credits for the exported
portion later.  The free price hike that some retailers and some
wholesalers/distributors took with the arrival of the GST demonized
it, but I still find it hard to think that people would hide their
heads in the sand and fall for a hidden GST.

gld
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Newsgroups: can.general,talk.politics.animals
From: pelton@ecf.toronto.edu (PELTON MATTHEW ALAN)
Subject: Re: Killing animals (was Re: hunting dog wanted)
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:21:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.193225.4634@cdf.toronto.edu> g0ack@cdf.toronto.edu (Andy Brownbill) writes:
>In article <C1H6Jq.13M@ecf.toronto.edu> pelton@ecf.toronto.edu (PELTON MATTHEW ALAN) writes:
>>
>>  First worms aren't animals, and then they live after you cut them in half.
>>Where do you people get your information?  Worms -- at least earthworms, which
>>is what we're talking about -- sure are classified as animals.  And the 
>>two halfs might crawl away after you cut the thing in half, but they die soon
>>afterwards.  A chicken runs around after you cut its head off, but it's dead 
>>soon...
>>
>
>I remember being told this way back in grade school. Unfortunately, the
>ground here is frozen, and I can not get any worms to try this out. When
>the ground thaws, though, I'll take knife to worm and let you know what
>happens. 
>
  I was told all sorts of blatently false stuff in grade school, too.  I
remember writing "nature abhors a vacuum" on a test...
  You know, you're just setting yourself up to get flamed about the cruelty
to the worm...


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From: rick@sq.sq.com (Rick Innis)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Communist Progressive Tax System (was Re: Liberal Party Tax Policy)
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:11:46 GMT
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada

In article <1993Jan25.215240.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque) writes:

>And anybody who believes in "income redistribution", "more equitable
>distribution of wealth" etc is a communist.

Gosh!  So *that's* what I am!  Gee, wait'll I tell Mom and Dad! Won't they
be pleased?  

Thank you, John, for your thoughtful, incisive and rationale commentary on
political realities in the late 20th century.  Without it, I might never
have discovered my true political identity.

	--Rick.
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