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From: scupin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (SCUPIN  JONATHAN RAYMOND)
Subject: Re: NIN Videos available?
Keywords: Nine Inch Nails
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 23:48:10 GMT

u9038752@cc.uow.edu.au (roger bolton) writes:
kj
>10563903@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (DUNCAN HEARD) writes:


>>A friend recently saw the video for Head like a hole on "Rage", said it was
>>suitably bizarre and worth a look (I already have some NIN on CD - like it 
>>heaps).  I was just wondering if they have released the video (and others 
>>presumably), on tape... if so where would I obtain it (in OZ if poss.)

>>Duncan Heard
>>Melb. Australia.
>Your chances of getting any videos of industrial bands in australia are
>infinitismal and approaching zero.  The US uses a different video format
>to australia, and the australian industrial market is so small its unlikely
>any label would do the cobversion process. (mind you UK video format is same
>as oz's).  Just about your only hope is to get someone in the US to post
>it to you, then you have to pay $20 to get them converted.  
>I'm surprised rage had HLAH, maybe write them and ask them where they got it,
>P>S if you do manage to get it, I'd love a copy
>later
>eldritch
>uni of wollongong
a friend of mine has both HLAH and DII as well as a booted concert video, if
you're interested, email me, and I'll send you his address.
           coprophiliac

>oOz
From: Nathan.H.Saunders@dartmouth.edu (Nathan H. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Music
Date: 6 Sep 92 14:07:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: dartvax.1992Sep6.140748.15895
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Sep6.043329.21176@news.iastate.edu>
tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:

> ...
> What all has good ol Trent done...
> ...
> I used to be a metal head... 
> ...
> Im trying to stay away from buying another tape like 
> Einsturzened Neu Bauten
> ...
> thank you

Newbie post of the month.  So far, anyway.  Fire away!

 - nathan
   who once posted here about "industrial" band LARD,
   but now knows much better...  (well, sort of)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: djm@progress.COM (Dave McMahon)
Subject: Re: techno faster than Re: Techno/Rave/Industrial/Garage? Confusing, man...
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:40:01 GMT

aakhan@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu writes:

>FC9.. around some where, Rave is the faster, more repetitive one with whistles,
>FC9.. and rave cheers and such, while techno is the slower, denser and more
>FC9.. eclectic variety(808 state, the Orb,T99,KLF etc). I am quite sure because

All of the Raves (real ones and club nights) that I've been to play a pretty
'eclectic variety' of dancable electronic noise and house.
So if you really look at the music that's played at Raves 
(at least the ones I go to), there isn't really any one kind of music played.  

You've got 5-10 DJ's each spinning their own taste
all night long from some really high BPM grinding hardcore to minimalistic
acid to wailing divas and piano breakbeat techno.
You'll hear Dj's cutting 808 State into German Acid and damn, even Gary Numan's
'Cars' can pop up amongst the most alarming Rave sirens!

>FC9.. "Apotheosis" and "Lords of Acid" are considered Rave and both are as fast

These bands are _really_ not rave.  They, IMHO, are closer to dance industrial 
than anything else. 

>FC9.. as far as Acid House is concerned I think it's a dead genre by now, I was
>FC9.. in England in it's dying days(Sexpress etc)3 years ago and got a kick out
>FC9.. of the nascent ravers calling AcidHeads wimps of sorts
>FC9.. correct me If I am wrong though

Oh nay, don't sell yourself short.  Acid is making a wonderful revival right
now.  Dig through the 12" bins and pick up ANY German inde labels you see!
Germany is still exploding much the way Belgium did a couple of years back.
Acid is alive and well and raving in Boston/NYC!!

What does all this mean?  Well, holding "rave" music to a particular style or
BPM is pretty hard to do.  I think the whole 'techno' genre is based on a
sharp dancable beat with bleeps instead of growls (as in industrial).

Damn, these labels are getting out of control!

bye for now.
dave.
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From: westr@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Robert _FinnAgain_ West)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: T21 Info
Keywords: T21 Trisomie Lomprez
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:04:36 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

I lost the original poster's address who requested info on T21, but
since no one has followed up to the net I will submit what I know
about them:

T21, formerly "Trisomie 21" IS from France and have 10+ recordings, 2
of which I have found or been able to order on CD. The two principle
members of the band: Philippe and Herve Lomprez.

The disc I find the most pleasing is their "T.21 WORKS". It is
available through PIAS.

Not very much I know, but perhaps with the extended name of the band
the original poster might be able to find some of the earlier works.

{Finiche}
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: scarruth@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kai'ckul)
Subject: Assimilation as a positive virtue
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 17:21:28 GMT


BLEAH.

I want the term industrial back...  Mr. Metalhead did do one thing 
with his post that was useful, and that was reminding us that the
term "industrial" means jack shit anymore.  Going into an industrial
newsgroup and holding high the virtues of NIN and slagging Neubauten
at the same time is... well, intolerable.

It pisses me off that people just getting into "industrial" think that
NIN and Ministry and KMFDM is all there is to "industrial".  Just as it
pisses me off that  "alternative" wannabes think that Soundgarden and
Pearl Jam are all there is to "alternative".

On second thought, this group is a waste of time.  You can have the 
term "industrial" if you want it.  Just don't come crying to me when
KMFDM and Thrill Kill Kult start recycling BeeGees numbers and trying
to pass them off as "industrial".

S

   "Shut the fuck up, geek!"
               ---Matthew Neill Sharp


Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: C_S02112@APPSTATE.EDU (C_S2440101)
Subject: Nitzer Ebb (was RE: Block you out/Plug...)
Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:49:18 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

	I got the Japanese version of Showtime this summer and was pleasantly
surprised to find a complete lyric booklet inside of the CD.  The mystery lyric
in "lightning man" is, in fact, "We gonna pluck you off".
					  ^^^^^
	Anyway, that story about them in DC is pretty interesting. I think if
I was in a bad part of DC, late at night, white, *and* from another
country....and someone said that shit to me, I'd probably get the fuck out
of there too.

	Also, why does nitzer ebb get ragged on most of the time on RMI??  I
don't expect everyone to like them, but they have had a positive impact on
industrial music.  Give them some credit.

			Later on,
					Steve
***********************************
* If I'm a god....                *
*	can't keep shootin' my    *
*          load on my own...      *
***********************************     C_S02112@conrad.appstate.edu
From: douellet@beach.csulb.edu (Daniel Ouellette)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Front242
Keywords: Front242
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:06:29 GMT
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

In article <38100@fibercom.COM> jca@bliss.fibercom.com (James Akers) writes:
>Howdy,
>on the soundtrack?  Anyone know?  Speaking of Front242, aren't they supposed
>to have a release coming out soon?
>So many questions, so little time...
>
  A friend of mine said he saw (on some video show - though probably not MTV)
an interview with someone from Front 242 (Richard 23?). One of the things he 
said is that the Front 242 art show is underway, or will be shortly, and it
should be here in LA sometime before the end of the year. Sounds like it 
should be here in late October or November, from the sound of it.
-Daniel
-- 
AlienSexFiend*Bauhaus*Curve*DepecheMode*Erasure*FrontLineAssembly*Gruesome- *
*	Daniel Ouellette       | 	 "People need to be schocked"	    *
*   douellet@beach.csulb.edu   |		     -Me	   	    *
Twosome*HumanDrama*JesusJones*KMFDM*LordsOfAcid*MLwtThrillKillKult*NitzerEbb*
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Subject: Re: Techno/Rave/Industrial/Garage? Confusing, man...
Originator: btc30679@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Organization: Ancient Illuminated Sears of Bavaria
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:37:33 GMT

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--
Ben Cox
thoth@uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: hise@iastate.edu (Allan R Hise)
Subject: Test Department
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:34:48 GMT

I know this question about INDUSTRIAL MUSIC (depending on your interpretation
of the genre...) probably doesn't belong in rec.music.industrial, since this
newsgroup seems to be full of people flaming each other about poseurs, 
homophobia, and Just about everyting else....

But I think I'll give it a try.


I've heard the songs "Fuckhead" and "51st State of America" by, you guessed it,
Test Dept.  I really enjoyed them, but here in Ames (where the wonderful Iowa
State University is located) they just don't have any albums by them.  In fact
there isn't a whole lot of cool (in MY interpretation) music here.  Using my
handy "Suck-O-Meter", Ames get's a whopping 80 (on a scale from 0 to 100 - 100
being the absolute worst in the universe) when it comes to finding music that
I really want.  My home town isn't much better, scoring about 65...  Anyway,
I'm getting off the subject...

Are the two above songs representative of Test Dept in general?  What album are
they from?  What other albums do they have?  Which ones are best?  WHERE CAN
I ORDER THEM FROM???  

And, as an aside, if someone can mail me the Test Dept. Discography posted 
a month or two ago, I'd love it ( I missed it last time around)...

Anyway, thanks to those who respond to this post sensibly.
Those that, for some reason, just want to spew flames can send them to 
/dev/null as far as I'm concerned.

Allan
hise@iastate.edu

Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: noah@Cadence.COM (Noah Ruiz)
Subject: Re: Music
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:04:58 GMT

>
>
>and what could you have possibly accomplished by insulting someone
>and being so insensitive to their ignorance except make one more
>person feel alienated?

Seems to me like you just did the same thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>it really offends me the way you and so many of the rest of you
>on this list have the tendancy to want to be the biggest asshole
>that you can be.                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 

Your being a pretty big one your self!!!!! Who are you to call
everybody an asshole????????

>you are no better than Hitler.

Geesh!!! look whose talking!!!!

>why couldn't, instead of insulting that person, couldn't you have
>pointed him to the FAQ by passing on a copy? or giving it your best
>shot by explaining what you consider industrial music to be in a
>PRIVATE email.
 
Why couldn't you have done what you have proposed??????
Things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 


>instead, you had to humiliate him in public. what greater purpose
>did that serve, other than point out to me that you are amongst the
>biggest assholes who ever lived? why couldn't you just be friendly?!

Your living up to your own words there buddy so whats it feel like??


>i am tired of the way people act like children around here. i am
>tired of the way people force their dogmatic opinions down people's
>throats like a relentless mantra. i don't want to hear it anymore.


Then be quiet and calm down cause you're doing it yourself!!!!! 


>you force your verbal diharea on me and then tell me that if i
>do not agree, then i am a fool. what kind of idiot do you take
>me for?

Maybe he takes you for the fool that you have just shown with this
post you have written???? I mean fueling the fire isn't going to
solve anything!!!!!


>before you take my entire message, twist it around and make use
>of it in your bizarre freakshow of verbal abuse take about three
>minutes to think about what i've said. 

Uh? Maybe you should take a look at what you just said,and realize
that you have done the same thing!!!!!! Just a thought!!!!!


>and the next time you encounter someone who's ignorant but wants to know
>more, if you feel the urge to get involved, either [1] give real
>info, [2] tell them to talk to someone like me, Al Crawford, Jon
>Drukman, David Vessell, Mason Jones, etc. or [3] don't do anything
>at all. just ignore it and wait for someone who is better able to
>answer, to give the right answer.

I agree with you very much you know? But its just to hard to listen
to someone when they themselves are doing what they themselves are
complaining about!!!!

ALL IMHO................................................................

noah
From: cf732@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mr. Edward Gein)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Mark Hosler is dead (was Re: Is Trent dead?   NIN)
Date: 12 Sep 1992 22:55:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu




pm13@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis) writes:
>No, you're confusing Trent with Mark Hosler.  He's dead.



hey man, who is mark hosler anyway?  sorrrry if this is a stupud question,
its maybe an "IN JOKE" or something?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.





"Frankly, I'd say Startled is a better word"- MINISTRY!@!@!@!@!@!@
Eddie J. Gein, HACKBOY
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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: jeffy@athena.mit.edu ()
Subject: Re: Shamen LSI - a real disappointment
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:00:28 GMT

[Chris 'n' Dave Just Can't Take the new Shamen stuff (Ebeneezer/LSI)]

Boy, you're in for a treat when you get the album, because these are the
"best" two tracks! When I got the beta copy of the album a few months ago,
I crossed my fingers that they would patch things up for the release copy.
Then, the "real" album came in a bit ago, nothing much was changed. The
worst tracks on the album, "Comin' On," and the last track, are rather
evil; the last track features a 5 min+ discussion of Shamanism that reminds
me of Negativland's Weatherman after he's eaten a pot of Vix Vapor Rub(tm).
Avoid this album at all costs....

Erland rating: -5,893
Crawford rating: Um, vanilla with metal shaving sprinklies?

jeffy"chez-wicz"hansen|||jeffy@athena.mit.edu|||XMTV: The video volcano?
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,rec.music.misc
From: bigstar@milton.u.washington.edu (Paschel)
Subject: Re: Crash Worship Tour Dates
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:08:10 GMT

exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (J. Exby) writes:

>bigstar@milton.u.washington.edu (Paschel) writes:

>>>mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones) writes:
>>>Crash Worship is going on tour this fall, don't miss them if you're
>>>at all into tribal, powerful, live experiences.  These dates have

>>Also, don't miss them if your a woman who enjoys being physically and
>>verbally assaulted by their "pseudo-jock-shaman" dancers.  What better
>>way to enjoy a nice evening out than to have some overgrown frat boy in
>>warpaint come up to you, grab your breast, and whisper in your ear, 
>>"I want to fuck you long and hard till the pain subsides and the blood
>>ebbs..."

>well this may be a good warning in general at ANY show, but because
>it may have happened to you (or someone you know) don't come off
>like this happens at all crashWorship shows.
>Looks like it happened once, to a single person, and this article's
>"meaning" is talkin like a generalization of crashWorship shows and
>the fans that attend them.
>As far as I know this hasn't happened at other shows, and  I didnt

I would normally agree with you 'cept in this case it happens that said
obnoxious, offensive individual was with the collective.  i.e. a member of
the band. Not a random fan.

Don't mis-interpret my remarks...I fully understand the origins of Crash
Worship as well as their performence philosophy...I simply draw the line
between pseudo-religion and rape.

Yes...one data point.

If Bob Dylan assaulted me, or my brother, or my sister, would that be
enough data points to persuade you that maybe his shows were not suitable
for some ????

-- 


                 --=={{ bigstar@u.washington.edu }}==--
From: dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
Subject: Re: Front 242 VIDEO (thread two)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:40:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.021023.14773@wam.umd.edu> mortis@next12pg2.wam.umd.edu (Jallopuppy) writes:
>In article <6r+vH_6+c9@atlantis.psu.edu> lpm@fert2.fe.psu.edu (Lee  
>Miller/8192;PennState-Fayette) writes:
>> The video is cool if you're a fan but the sound totally sucks out the  
>ass on my
>> copy, do all the copies sound like shit? (ie music eq'd way down, the  
>VCR hiss
>> is louder for me at normal volume)
>
>Yeah my copy is really messed up... I had to turn the volume on the tv up  
>to 63(max) and to make it 'normal' there is no bass etc...
>:(

	Mine is fucked too.  Sucks....

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| Dan Harkless                | "The sore in my soul                         |
| dan@cafws1.eng.uci.edu      |  The mark in my heart  ->  Front 242,        |
| dharkles@bonnie.ics.uci.edu |  Her acid reign..."        Tragedy >For You< |
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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,alt.rave
From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Re: Techno/Rave/Industrial/Garage? Confusing, man...
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 16:44:22 GMT

EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:

>In article <JPXkqB2w164w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca>
>genius@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Trevor Cordes) writes:
> 
>>To all you industrial freaks out there on this freaky newsgroup:
> 
>>Can anyone tell me what the difference is between the 4 afformentioned
>>'styles' of music (techno, rave, industrial, garage)?
> 
>techno=electronic dance music

Not.  I would not call Erasure techno, but they certainly are electronic
dance music.

>rave=wimpier techno

Oh please.  I really don't like any of it, but I would say that 'rave' (I
prefer the term 'acid house' myself) has a hell of a lot more to it that
'techno', which sounds to me like the same four-bar riff repeated for seven
minutes.

>industrial=edgier, grittier techno with more words ;-)

Urp.  That might describe Belgian Beat but not aggro, if you're talking
specifically about dance music.

>garage=who gives a sh*it about garage music? try the "alternative" group.

This is a term I've not heard before, at least not in the context of dance
music.



If you want davE's opinion as to what is what....

Rave (acid house) = medium-speed electronic dance music without vocals,
	heavy on analogue synth textures, samples, and funky digital 
	effects.  Ambient house is similar in philosophy and execution but
	either slower or with no beat at all.

Techno = similar to acid house but generally faster, more repetitive,
	with more emphasis on 'sound riffs' and less on sampling.

Industrial = dance strains fall primarily into two categories: Belgian Beat
	(also called EBM, Electronic Body Music), which is similar to acid 
	house but harsher and dirtier, more frequently using vocals, less 
	emphasis on sounds but more on noise elements and samples; Aggro, 
	much heavier emphasis on non-music and noise elements, more emphasis 
	on percussive elements, more variation of tempo than EBM (which 
	tends to hover around 120-130 bpm), frequent use of digital 
	processing on vocals.


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,alt.rave
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: Techno/Rave/Industrial/Garage? Confusing, man...
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:09:22 GMT

smith@comm.mot.com (Jeff Smith) writes:

>reference, what would you call Lords Of Acid? Apotheosis? The band that
>does "LSD Is The Bomb" (forgot the name...GREAT song though!).

Radioactive Goldfish.  A friend told me that they have an album out now and it
is more in line with Ravesignal than "LSD Is The Bomb" samplemania.  Has
anyone heard it?
-- 
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From: blosser_cy@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: LISTEN UP, PEOPLE (read this, please)
Date: 5 Sep 92 13:49:21 EDT
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

> I, for one, thought it to be REALLY stupid of some of these "environmenta-
> lists" in the audience who tore up the sod at the World Theatre (Tinley
> Park, IL) and at Alpine Valley (WI) and threw it, along with all
> the trash.  Yeah, real friggin' "save the world" of you guys!

I'm willing to debate that--are you sure it was those 'environmentalists'
who went on the mass vandalism spree and destroyed the earth...or could I
have been wrong in beliving the drunken rednecks & highschool 'ohlookatme
i'malternativewon'tyoutouchme' losers were responsible for the damage?
From: ldt@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Fuck this shit
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:22:47 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

Thus hurled jyoung@Cadence.COM (John Young):
>Well..It's your favorite prick again!
>And this PRO-HETERO has only one question:
>Can you college f@gs really be a stupid as you
>make yourselves look on the net???

PRO-HETERO, eh?  Does this mean you wish you were straight but can't
be, and that you're stuck in the closet?

>I mean some jack-off calls me homophobic when even if
>I knew any homo's I wouldn't be **AFRAID** of them
>because:
>A)that's why we have the right to buy guns!
>but more importantly
>B)People like that guy keep the homo's in his room
>and off the streets!

It's people like YOU who make ME feel like buying a gun.  Goddamn bigot.

I'm perfectly secure in my heterosexuality, unlike you, and so I don't
need to use words like "fag" or "homo" or make stupid, bigoted
comments to prove it to the rest of the world.

>**AND** then calls me a college turd,when anybody
>with a 4th grade education can tell by the header
>that I'm not posting from a college!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone with a 4th-grade education can tell by your writing that you
never went to college - or that if you did, it left absolutely no
impression on you.  You are just as much of an ignorant, intolerant
bozo as one could ever hope to meet.

Furthermore, this single post proves conclusively that not only are
you a homophobe but also...

>What a gimp!`
>Keep it up,It only leaves more bitches for me!

...a misogynist...

>Mabey you could start a new group rec.college.bowlcut.lame-o

...and an illiterate.

>As always..............You suck like a Hoover
>		The Prick(well I am aren't I)
>		THE POPE
>See you in another month or so!!!
>		(I mean)THE POPE!!!!

I can hardly wait.  Of course, Cadence may stop giving net access to
custodians before then.

Peace,

The Walrus
~~~~~~~~~~
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  -- Vice President Dan Quayle