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From: kjy@iastate.edu (Jin-Yong Kim)
Subject: FUTURE of DJ?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:36:18 GMT

	Does anybody have/hear/ or can guess what DJ will do after his defeat?
Retire? Or to try to regrab his power at least in Democratic Party?
BTW Will he accept his defeat? Will not he mention about BU-JEONG SEON-GEO at all?
From: ahwg@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Andrew Hwang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: >Korean Pop Music
Keywords: korean pop music
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:19:59 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York


I think one exception to the mundane quality of pop music in Korea is
a group called "Bohm-YeoReum-GahEul-GyeoUl" (Spring Summer Autumn Winter)
Their music has a hint of jazz and arragements are on the more sophisticated
side.

Andrew Hwang
ahwg@troi.cc.rochester.edu
"trying to find a good laugh in s.c.k...."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu ()
Subject: To Sung Hyun Kim (From "DJ for President")
Originator: swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:57:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.201416.12189@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim) writes:

>Anyway, do you care to share how you could overcome such prejudices and see
>through the *real* character of DJ?  Did you ever meet him personally and talk
>to him? [ Same questions apply to those supporters of YS ].

*** Here are the reasons why we don't have to meet them personally :

(1) Mess media let the people know their everything.  YS and DJ were exposed
    for last 30 years.  Their history, idea, character, habit... They've
    been totally naked in the spotlight.  
    On the contrary, although we've met someone everyday, we may not know 
    what kind of person he is.

(2) Kim Gu, An Chang Ho, Han Yong un, these had passed away before
    we were born, but we know they were great men.
    We had never seen 3.1 independent movement 70 years ago, but we know
    how great it was.

>Don't you think there might be some prejudices about prejudices (hell, things

*** Of course I'm not perfect. However, I can make sure I'm always trying to 
    escape from kinds of prejudice.  So I am always efforting in order to
    face various informations.  
    But, in this election, I have a little partial view.  These are :
      (1) I prefer the politician who understand economics well.
      (2) I prefer the person who give the reasonable issues for me.
    If there is bias on my mind, here it is.

>It DOES look pretty honest. I think DJ should make similar remarks, too.
>They are not certainly economy experts. And I understand how you got to the

*** DJ is THE economy experts.  It is one of DJ's strongest good point. It
    is officially authorized by the most people EXCEPT FOR YOU!

>, I guess. But that was not clever for campaign.  Korean people believe what
>they hear, so he should have said that he could solve every economic problems.

Americans of high political level are also the same with us.  Did the Americans
really believe Governor Bill Clinton?  No.  But what could they do?  Bush always
said "It's OK. No Problem to American economy. We are THE superpower."  Even 
though Clinton has no trust, how could the American vote for the Bush who didn't
say anything about economical treatment?  The vote should go to the person who,
at least, say it.

>you know, improving negative image and improving flaws are not necessarily
>same thing.  You seem to ignore that point in your reasonings.

Please see my next post.

>-- 
> Sung Hyun Kim    kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu // kim_sh@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
 
It's Hot discussion!
From: junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Which one is better, Nemacs or Mule?
Keywords: Nemacs and Mule
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:47:19 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Netters,

I am trying to install hangul emacs in my UNIX(SunOS) account. And I'm
wondering which one would be better between Nemacs and Mule. How about
on Linux? Any info and advise will be greatly appreciated.

Jung
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Subject: Re: Sorry..once again   
Reply-To: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:02:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.181437.4011@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim) writes:
>having enough capacities or something (what is that supposed to mean? I don't
>know, don't ask me :) ). So in current terms, showing cultural movies (you 
>know, that sort of boring things..:)..) is legal, but showing current
>commercial 
>movies in theaters is illegal, and selling Japanese comic books is illegal,
>etc.  I can quote the exact remarks in that article, if you want.
>But the point of that article was that currectly this issue is in controversy,
>(it seems that some congressmen brought up this issue), with some people 
>wondering why we would want to import Japanese cultural products which are 
>known to have many low grade things (not that all of them are bad) and such
>commercial import would necessarily lead to importing much portion of the
>"bad" 
>things....and some people wondering "why not?" since all kinds of "bad" things
>are already available through illegal channels.

"Bad" or "Low Grade" in ethical sense, I guess?  I think what they are
really afraid is that people DO like 'em, and it might create identity
crisis or something.   This has been going on for quite a long time, and I
kind of understand where the argument comes from.  But you have to realize
that it can't go on forever and sooner or later you just have to leave it
to the people's judgement.

Andy
From: seo@capone.ccsm.uiuc.edu (Jong-Wook Seo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: YS projected as a winner
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:41:47 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Organization: Microelectronics Lab - Univ. of Illinios

In article <1992Dec18.214044.4849@news.cs.indiana.edu>,
"Suh Jung Yul" <jysuh@moose.cs.indiana.edu> writes :


[part of UPI report deleted]

>        The winner will succeed President Roh Tae Woo who will step down on
>Feb. 25 at the close of a five-year term, and bring to an end a
>succession of rule by generals-turned-presidents which began in 1961.

Exactly!   Absolutely!
The era of STARs is fading away.
It will never be back in next many centuries in Korea.
Never!

Congratulations to our people!
Congratulations to new president, Kim Young-Sam!
I have a great belief and hope that the new president will heal the wound
of the people who have supported other candidates or different political 
ideas.

MAY GOD BLESS KOREA AND HER PEOPLE!!!
God bless the new president and his civilian government!


Jong-Wook Seo
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu ()
Subject: From the poster of "DJ for President" -- Part II
Originator: swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:18:45 GMT

From the poster of "DJ for President" -- Part II

To whom doesn't like to talk about politics in this newsgroup :

I know the politics is not everything of our lives.  The problem is that
we don't have newsgroup like "alt.korean.politics".  In fact, the korean
politics story makes a lot of people very unpleasant.  But, until new
newsgroup is made, let me post this political stories.  I'm not gonna push
anything political to you.

Thanx.
From: chanchoi@gandalf.rutgers.edu (S.chan Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: htelbin.zip corrupt?
Keywords: hangul on PC
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:45:23 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Someone previously posted a question on using hangul via telnet on 
ethernet, and one of the responses was to use htelbin (modified
version of telnet).
  
I have ftped and downloaded htelnet: htelbin.zip from
cair.kaist.ac.kr.  But the problem is, using pkunzip (I think mine is
the latest version), the zip file failed to unpack.  Only two batch
files were unzipped, and the remaining exe and doc files got error
messages.

Has someone successfully unpacked telbin, or is it that the file
is corrupt?

SChan Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: lee@infant.waisman.wisc.edu
Subject: Know Japan
Organization: Waisman Center, University of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 16 DEC 92 17:11:37 CST

There is a long debate on "DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN?" in s.c.japan.
I think the original article especially is worth reading, though it is 
quite long. You can get it from FTP site monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (directory: 
pub/nihongo). If you have a trouble getting the article, let me know.

Hankyu Lee
From: tyoon@husc8.harvard.edu (Tehshik Yoon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Rapping on Korean pop/rock
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:42:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc8.tyoon.724542153


Wow, my very first post to s.c.k.


jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:

[stuff deleted]
>ones)  First, I HATE bbong-jjak.  The lyrics are incurably sappy and
>depressing and that music just drive me sick, especially if it's played
>on a synthesizer/organ only.  This is the kind of music one listens to

Yeah, I know, I know.  But you should note that most traditional Korean
music gets sappy and romantic and gushy, too.  It's a cultural taste, IMHO.

>words.  Boy meets girl, girl either doesn't care about the boy or
>they are so in love it's like eating a cake with 3 inches of sugar
>coating, girl/boy leaves for some reason...  All that's missing
>is the last part, girl/boy kills her/himself after listening to
>bbong-jjak for two hours straight.  Yeah, I can take my own share
>of romantic songs, but fer cryin' out loud, can the lyricists do
>anything else?

I don't remember her name, but do you remember a couple of years ago there
was a pop artist who was hailed in Korea as the Korean Maddonna?  I think
she sung "Rhythm sok eh suh" <or something like that>.  She wasn't sappy. 
Then again, she was something of an exception.

 o			Tehshik Yoon 
 -  EH  ^|		tyoon@husc.harvard.edu
 "      7
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: ylee@norton.uwaterloo.ca (Yuri Lee)
Subject: Re: Koeran Pop Music (Re: Rapping on Korean pop/rock)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:05:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.042637.10520@news.acns.nwu.edu> andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.033254.10274@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>Actually, I do agree that Korean Ga-Yo scene is definitly low quality
>as compared to what we can find here is US.  But, depite this I think
>there are few singers such as Yi Sun-He, who I consider as quality

There isn't a fair comparision between US pop songs and Korean ones. I do not
think Korean Ga-Yo songs are lower quality than US'. Up until I gratduated from
highschool, I'd never listened to Korean Ga-Yo songs but only western rock, pop, heavymetal songs. I thought all Korean songs suck but my view has changed
since then and right now I hardly listen to American songs although I live in
North America. There are a lot of talented young song writers in Korea and the
number is growing, and there are a lot of enjoyable good songs too. I don't
know how knowledgable you are in music area but I'm fairly better than most
people in musical senses. IMOH, Korean Ga-Yo songs are high quality songs
as far as native Koreans are concerned and there's no question about it. If you
don't like Korean songs, that's fine with me. However, I can't stand people
accusing Korean Ga-Yo songs for not having quality compare to US songs, which
is untrue.
 
>'predictable' in style and melody, this is why I consider group such
>as HaBaRaGi a second rate performer, all their songs sounds about the
>same.  Anyway, since I probably offended few people... time to go
>on a Christmas vacation...

I'm not particularly fond of HaBaRaGi or their music but I don't think they
were second rate performer. They made good songs for Korean people and they
liked those songs. Don't say that Korean people are second rate listener just
because they listen to singers who you consider second rate. There are things
that only Koreans like and there are things that only Americans like. Remember.

- Yuri Lee



Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: Orange-jok (Re: Organge Jok)
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 09:16:33 GMT

And I always thought that orange juice was bad for digestive system
of Koreans.  Talking of orange juice, would netters be surprised if I say
people living in the U.S. may have orange juice *more* *readily*
available than those living in orange *producing* country?  That's how
much U.S. dollar is powerful.  So, just by streching imagination, seems
like Korean won is getting there too.  At least, for some people.  Ant
that was an early morning rumbling without overcharging the system.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: parkin@elm.egr.msu.edu (In Sik Park)
Subject: Re: election
Keywords: Who wins
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 17:30:25 GMT

Results by extrapolation: from MBC broadcast 00:04 

YS KIM : 42%
DJ KIM : 38%
JY C   : 16%

Summary of results (80 % of finish)
***********************************

			YS		DJ		JY
		**************************************************
Seoul area		36		34		21

Middle area		39		24		27

HoNam			4		92		2

KyengBook		63		9		17

KyengNam		72		11		9
		**************************************************
From: shin-jungshik@yale.edu (Jungshik Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Election Result available on-line
Date: 18 Dec 1992 04:42:13 -0500
Organization: Yale University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu
Keywords: Election,result,online

 Here I'm posting an article from ARA BBS which was already posted to USENET
but which has not been arrived to my site and many ohter sites in the US and
other part of the world. 

------------------------------------------------------

Election result will be available from the following methods.

        1)      finger .election@baram.kaist.ac.kr

        2)      telnet baram.kaist.ac.kr 92

The result will be gathered from HiTEL election board, and MBC TV and
the language used is Korean. You'll be able to get romanized Hangul
message from the finger query and KSC-5601 Hangul message from the
telnet query. Thanks for your interest.


---------------------------------------------------------

 To read Hangul on English-only terminal, get 'hcode' program from
cair.kaist.ac.kr.,kum.kaist.ac.kr, or garam.kreonet.re.kr. and filter telnet
or finger wiht 'hcode -kr' option. (that is 'finger
.election@baram.kaist.ac.kr. | hcode -kr') You may have difficulty with new
Romanization rule agreed by both Koreas(Chieut -> c NOT ch and similar
strange rules)

  Jungshik Shin
From: chanchoi@gandalf.rutgers.edu (S.chan Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: How do you read Hangul on PC-msdos?
Date: 12 Dec 92 01:29:24 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

wc1q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Woncheal Choi) writes:

>I am sorry, I am asking a question. I haven't followed up the Hangle issues. 

>How do you access to KIDS or other bbs in kaist?  Just telnet like
>'telnet cair.kaist.ac.kr ' ?
It's simple, although you need patients (a lot)!

Use telnet to 147.6.11.151 (not sure about its name), and type KIDS as 
user name.  

However, I could not get through KIDS BBS for the recent couple of days.
May be it is down for some time??  

>Thanks, 
Welcome.
>Woncheol

SC Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@tea.eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: help!
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 15:09:16 GMT
Organization: What Org?
Reply-To: dskim@eng.umd.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

	Arggggg!

	Is there any good KILL file entry for election?
	/election/ doesn't seem to catch all.

--
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703) 273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	DAESHIK.KIM@sprintintl.sprint.com	dskim@eng.umd.edu
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Rumors, rumors, rumors.  Was: something about DJ, I don't remember what.
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:44:02 GMT

Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Alchemy International
Keywords: 

In article <jahn.724482367@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> jahn@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Juhoon Ahn) writes:
>First of all, let me correct myself.  I made a mistake to refer
>to the "government" instead to "Roh" people.  I should have said
>that the people who worked for Mr. Roh and Mr. Roh himself could
>have done something that might have changed the result of the 
>election. (<- What is the difference between these two groups,
>the government and Mr. Roh (and Mr. Chun) anyway?)  

	I don't think you want to ask that question.  You will get so many
answers from so many different people.  And don't even bring up that
matter if you are around Chun Doo Whan, I hear he's still pissed
off.  >

	And as far as rumors are concerned, I'll offer you my saying o'
the day: "Don't believe everything you hear."  One of my favorite was right
after the 88 election, DJ claimed that Roh manipulated the computers at
the TV station.  Of course, there was a lot of money spent on buying votes
by both sides, but I really doubt Roh stole the victory.  In my opinion,
88 election was a result of stubborness and arrogance of both YS and DJ.
Had one of them bowed out and supported the other, it would have brought
the opposition to the power and healed the regional hatred.  But that didn't
happen.  Oh well, here's looking at you, 1997...


-- 
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Internet: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu   | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
Bitnet: jfe@cornella                   | 210 Lake St. Apt. 11-A 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: ywlee@cs.uiuc.edu (Youngwhan Lee)
Subject: Re: DJ for President
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:56:45 GMT

In <1992Dec15.015120.78167@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.071326.10189@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu
>writes:
>>
>>I hope DJ will be elected for President.  I am an ardent supporter of DJ.
>>I pray everyday for it.

This person reminds me of a friend of mine: it was the time that
Illinois Lottery topped 67 millions. He bought a lottery ticket
and began to pray every day for him to win the moeny. You might 
wonder if he was joking. Nope, not at all. In fact, he was pretty 
serious about this. At the same week, I read a report about a preacher 
and his presbyters(?) in the chicago edition of a Korean newpaper.
According to the report, they wanted to have their own church building. 
(They must be using rented church or something.) So they bought a
lottery ticket and were praying overnight for them to win the money 
to their God. I had hoped my friend's God made him win the money 
because he promised me a small portion of the money in the case of 
his winning. I found, however, God was not good at random number 
generation at lottery. No christian won the money. :-) 

Those hard-praying christians always make me laugh. I mean it is
all right for them to pray. I don't mind. But, what I'm saying
is, they appear to pray too hard on too many things.

>I entially agree with you.   Our country needs a smart president.
>Our country now lies in the important and transient step in terms
>of economic and political situation.  If we fail to move toward
>one of developed countries,  our country might be another Brazil,
>Argentina, and Greece.

Anyway... these people must be joking! Do they really idolize DJ this
much? I now begin to believe DJ has a good chance.

>According to the current polls,  I believe that Dae-Jung Kim will
>be elected unless unexpected and unlucky news about him happens.

I kinda began to believe this.

>                    Minho Jo, Lehigh University
>                    MJ03@Lehigh.edu


youngwhan.
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From: shin-jungshik@yale.edu (Jungshik Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Lee Jong-chan quits race.
Date: 16 Dec 1992 21:09:06 -0500
Organization: Yale University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

In article <BzA0MA.GFF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> seo@capone.ccsm.uiuc.edu (Jong-Wook Seo) writes:
>In article  <1992Dec13.073336.27064@worak.kaist.ac.kr>,
>jwjang@kaist.ac.kr (Chang Jin-woong) writes :
>
>
>[Korea Herald news report deleted]
>
>>REMARK:
>>The article above quoted without any prior permission from Korea Herald 
>Company.
>You are in trouble!
>They would sue you.
>(If! If they have learned enough from America, which is being claimed to be
>our cultural yard stick at the other part of this news group.
>Just a  kidding.)
>
>>ANNOUNCEMENT: ON-LINE REPORT ON KOREAN PRESIDENTIAL >ELECTION, DEC 18.
>>From 18:00 Dec 18, right after the finish of poll, to 9:00 Dec 19 (Korean
>>Standard Time: GMT+9:00), Reports will be posted to s.c.k on the hourly >basis.
>>(Remember that this is not an official report of Korean Government. :) )
>>Keep running your news reader program.
>Sure, I'll.
>I am looking forward to see the power of the modern technology.
>(Is this too much?)
   So am  I!.  Actually, I've been   considering using IRC,finding
anyone in Korea on IRC  and asking her/him to report the result for me
as I did in last national assembly election when I found my college junior on
IRC with TV on just in front of her. 
  Using News is much better idea.  
>
>I really thank you very much for your posting, in advance.

   Thank you very much  in advance.
>
>
>>Liszt from Korea
>
>
>Jong-Wook Seo

Jungshik Shin


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: yang@luther.che.wisc.edu (Heewon Yang)
Subject: Re: From the poster of "DJ for President"
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:23:26 CST
Originator: yang@luther.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Dec15.201725.19774@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.194314.14783@news.cs.brandeis.edu> tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>>>
>>>	Go back to my previous post.  It's in there.
>>
>>Oh did you? I don't think you wrote anything based on the FACT!
>>We need FACT!
>
>	This reminds me of the flame war I was in over the summer against
>some silly Maoist from MIT.
 Hmm.. I wonder who is the silly Maoist this time:)
 
>But anyway, as I wrote, the facts are that
>DJ is patriarchal, surrounds himself with zealots who call him "our
>teacher" and doesn't let anyone to grow as the next potential leader.
>Also, the fact was that DJ promised repeatedly that he would not run
>for presidency if the government changed the constitution to allow
>popular voting in 1988.  He broke his promise, and the result was the
>victory for Roh.  Frankly, I would have had a LOT of respect for DJ
>had he stayed out of the race in 1988 and supported YS.  But now, all
>I have is cynicism towards him.  

  As long as I remember, your previous posting said you cannot trust DJ
and call YS as "tamed". But YS also broke his promise about running for
presidency and even he betrayed many suppoters just because of his desire
to the power(it is quite personal opinion, though). But anyway what is
the difference between DJ and YS? Have YS let anyone to grow as the next
leader? Did he democratic enough in his party or his partisan? Did he
keep his promise? Well, the almost same things go to DJ...

-Heewon.
-- 
 Heewon  Yang				yang@luther.che.wisc.edu
 Dept. of Chem. Engr.
 Univ. of Wisconsin - Madison.