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From: kamol@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Kamol Hengkietisak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Bangkok Post Dec 14: Govt 45 days helmet law amnesty blasted
Date: 14 Dec 1992 16:07:58 +1100
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au

 
THE rector of Mahidol University, Pradit Charoenthaithawee, will
submit a letter today to the Interior Minister protesting against the
decision to grant amnesty to violators of the crash helmet law.
 
Dr Pradit said the amnesty, which lasts for 45 days after the law
comes into effect tomorrow, is discriminatory and encourages abuses.
 
The law applies on 240 roads in Bangkok only. Motorcyclists in sois
are exempt.
 
The law was originally intended for the whole country. But after
arguments, it was agreed that it would first be applied in Bangkok and
later in the provinces.
 
Dr Pradit said his letter seeks an explanation as to why the intention
of the law has been distorted just to please certain groups of people.
 
He said: "The use of helmets is compulsory only on main streets. How
will the Government guarantee the safety of people using motorcycle
taxis in sois? Why are motorcyclists in sois exempt? Is it because
there have never been accidents involving motorcycles in sois?
 
"Every law should apply throughout the country and no one should be
given the privilege of not having to comply with the law."
 
"We Thais are said to lack discipline. Why is the Government itself
undisciplined? The Government should fully enforce the law and instil
discipline for the sake of safety, instead of trying to please certain
groups."
 
He said he wished those opposing the crash helmet law could see
patients being treated in hospital for injuries from motorcycle
accidents.
 
Hospitals are taking in more patients from traffic accidents every
day, and treatment costs the patient thousands of baht, he said.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: Individualism  (was: Re: Orange-jok)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:24:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.004510.20951@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>I wrote:  (>> quotes are mine and > quotes are Andrew SH Kim's)
>>>This gap can be closed when riches spend all their money and poors run some
>>>business that suck up that money.
>
>(Andrew Sung Hyun Kim) writes:
>>Sound too much like the Trickle-Down theory of economics.
>
>It does.  I am no expert is economics, but isn't the economy supposed to be
>in good shape when people SPEND and SPEND?  Trickle down economics works by
>making riches make even more.  I was just advocating riches spending more.
>Nowhere I suggested a way to riches to get richer.

With a definitely limited resources, if rich get richer this implies that
poor get poorer.  Reverse Robinhood?  During the Regan/Bush administration
the bifurcation of rich and poor occured, in part thanks to this trickle
down policy.  

>>One extreme of individualism is the attitude that only "I" matter.
>>There are social responsibilities and one's conscience that at least
>>some will be willing to act upon.
>
>Social responsibility cannot be extended to what they drink for breakfast.
>Drinking orange juice is just as environmentally sound as drinking
>'sung-nyung' IMO.  Sure enough, people have to have social responsibilities
>but I do not see how these yound kids driving cars they want, eating what
>they want and dancing where they want can be a socially irresponsible act.
>They did not commit any crime.  Making your neighbors turn blue with envy
>cannot be classified as a crime, and cannot be regulated by the law.
>
>If these are so called "leaders of the nation" or people that young kids
>look upon for guidance, it is another story.

No where did I suggest any legislation for being socially responsible.
As I have said in the past, morality cannot be legislated.  However,
what is legal is not necessarily ethical.  I am advocating for a
more ethical and responsible way of life.  If only thing that glue a
society together is large force of police and legal system, oh what a
beautiful place that would be...

>>"Let them eat cake".  
>Let them drink orange juice.

With a sweet cake, OJ does go very well together.
Although a cup of coffee is OK too... where is Hyeun Suk when
you need him :)

>James Choi

Andrew/S/H/Kim
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 13:30:39 CST
From: <U32756@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: test

this is a test. hi.
From: amiller@almaden.ibm.com (Alex Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Seeking articles on L.A. 1992 Spring Disturbance
Date: 20 Dec 1992 17:30:59 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I'm writing short paper in which I hope to explore the roots
of the L.A. 1992 Spring Disturbance - in particular the dynamics
between the African American and Korean community.

Is there a FTP site that has archives of soc.culture.african.american
from that period?  Did anyone save relevant articles that they could
post to me?

Some of the questions I want to explore are:

(1) How isolated are the Koreans from the South Central neighborhood?

(2) What were the Koreans doing there?  Was their a balanced mix
    business ownership?

(3) Did the Koreans have an unfair advantage?  Was it easier for them
    to get government aid or private loans?  Did they funnel money
    away from the Black community?

(4) Did the media prolong the disturbance by showing Koreans on roof tops
    with guns?

(5) Did rap songs and movies like "Do the Right Thing" intensify the
    animosity between Blacks and Koreans, or do they just reflect
    public feeling?

Thanks,

Alex Miller
amiller@almaden.ibm.com
From: ycao+@pitt.edu (Yousheng Cao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Watching Korean TV in US
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:59:49 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Hi there:
   Somebody might post already. I have succussefully used a 2-ft satellite
dish to receive 3 hrs a day and 365 days a year Korean satellite TV from
LA. It is free TV once you put a dish and a special equipment on your TV.
It has KBS news and Korean opera, movies, shows and lots others. 

YCAO
ycao@vm2.cis.pitt.edu
(412)621-4214
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: seong@tellabs.com (Scott Seong)
Subject: HANTERM
Followup-To: seong@tellabs
Keywords: hanterm
Organization: Tellabs, Lisle, IL
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:24:52 GMT


Thanks for posting 'hanterm' source.  I got the program to compile on SunOS
4.1 w/ Openwin 3.0.  But I am getting following runtime errors. Could anyone
help?

ld.so: warning: /usr/openwin/lib/libXmu.so.4.0 has older revision than expected 10
ld.so: warning: /usr/openwin/lib/libXt.so.4.1 has older revision than expected 10
ld.so: warning: /usr/openwin/lib/libX11.so.4.3 has older revision than expected 10
ld.so: Undefined symbol: ___XA_ATOM_PAIR
-- 
Scott Seong
seong@tellabs.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: song@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Timothy Song)
Subject: A question about Korea ..............
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:33:08 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester
Keywords: Korea

What must Korea do to become economic superpower ?

Is this possible ?

I would appreciate your comments.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Subject: Re: Orange-jok
Reply-To: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:29:40 GMT


So called "Orange-Jok" is a product of the contemporary Korean society.  If
you don't like what you see, you have to work on the cause rather than just
that particular group.  We all took part on providing the conditions for
them.   Just putting them in jail is not going to solve anything.

In article <gf_pbyG00XsL8QN0RO@andrew.cmu.edu> wc1q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Woncheal Choi) writes:
>....
>
>Secondly and more seriously, they are top frontiers in importing low
>grade dirty cultures to Korea like using drugs, money worship,
>promiscuous sexual behaviors. Their behavior is beyond the imagination
>of normal koreans. Their mentality is totally different from that of
>average normal koreans. 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If everybody thinks same as average people, I sure don't want to live in
that society.  Different people *average out*.  

>
>The problem is that they affect to other people and contaminate normal
>people's ethics.  It is different between rich people in US who spend a
>lot and do whatever they want, and OJs who are doing the same thing in
>Korea.  Korea is more compacted society.  How far is the 'Rodeo street'
>in Ap-ku-jung-dong from Sa-dang-dong 'Pan-ja chon' ?  

American cities may not be the model cities, but you should know that it's
not just limited to Seoul.  I live in Manhattan, and it is *much* bigger
problem here.  You go 42nd Street and Broadway, you see all those glamorous
broadway theaters, high rise buildings, expensive hotels... You walk *one*
block to 8th Avenue, you see all those XXX theaters, peep shows,
druggies...  It's something that we all should work on, but shouldn't
panic either.

>Rap music is very popular  in korea these days.  There is a popular rap
>singer in Korea who even wears clothes like black people in US.  Why is
>the rap music that popular in Korea (even it might be more popular than
>in US) which is nothing but a black people's music ?  Rap music could
>become so intimidated to korean mainly by the night clubs which are OJ's
>main play ground and young singers who are OJs.  

I don't think you really mean it that way, but this remark can be viewed as
racist.  I am not that big fan of Rap either, but some of them are actuall
good.  Popularity of rap music is not just a black thing.  It is more of a
generation thing.  All the kids love it these days.  With all the cultural
import in Korea, it was just matter of time it gains popularity there.  
It is not really a *bad* thing either.  My complaint is that those rappers
in Korea are plain bad, but in the end we will have Korean version of raps,
like we have Korean version of rocks, etc.  It is all part of cultural
evolution. 

>I think OJ is a serious society problem because they are contributing in
>deteriorating korean people's mind by their low cultural tendency.   

OJ is not a problem by itself, it is a symptom.  

>
>Woncheol

Andy Kim
From: mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: From the poster of "DJ for President"
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:24:07 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Dec15.193421.14487@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, tchoi@binah.cc.brandei
s.edu writes:
>
>>>I heard that his son will be leader of his party.
>>>I don't have any official document.
>
>DJ simply cannot win.

###############################     ####     ####################################

Can you diprove that DJ simply cannot win ?
Did you ever look at the current polls ?

When you disprove it,  I wish you show us acceptable evidences.



###############################     ####      ##################################


                         Minho Jo, Lehigh Valley
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Subject: Re: Orange-jok (Re: Organge Jok)
Reply-To: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:17:56 GMT

In article <567@blue.cis.pitt.edu> hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim) writes:
>(Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:
>
>Orange-jok (for Orange as in orange juice, and jok meaning tribe,
>or group of people) refers to extremely rich young kids who
>drive expensive cars and frequent expensive cafe's in the
>Ab-goo-jung dong area of Seoul. Basically,  rich kids doing things 
>which rich kids do...

Which was always there.  Just coming out more on the surface because of
increased wealth of general population.

>From what I hear, the name comes from a stereotype : they supposedly 
>start their day with a glass of orange juice for breakfast in 
>an expensive cafe.

I can see "Milk Jok", "V8 Jok", "Sunny Side Up Jok" coming...

>As for any problems that such kids might cause, or their actual
>existence, there was an article about them and Ab-goo-jung Dong 
>in a recent issue of "Young Lady", one of those 'women's' 
>magazines which are sort of like Cosmopolitan in the US. No 
>comment on the quality of journalism in such magazines.

>And NO I do not read "Young Lady"... I just saw it at the Korean
>grocery....

It's OK.  You can admit it. :)
Sometimes they tell you more about what's going on in Korea than "Shin Dong A"

>-Han

Andy Kim
From: wjin@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: bbong-jjak
Date: 21 Dec 1992 06:18:30 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodin.cs.uh.edu

In article <1992Dec21.013008.563@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>In article <1992Dec20.133732.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> 7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca (Henry E Chon) writes:
>>BTW, what anju is your favourite, folks?  Maybe we can do one of them polls 
>>again to see what is the most favoured anju with soju, or for any drinks?!
>
>I love answering this kind of questions.  The answer is "I don't drink."
>Since most Koreans drink, I am almost always assumed to drink socially.  It
>is a great pleasure for me to look at those "I don't understand this"
>expression flashing by when I tell them a flat "I don't drink" with pride.
>
>It is also fun to ruin the mood for the rest by being the only one who
>refuses to drink.  But it is fun only if I happened to be stuck with a crowd
>that I do not care for.  With close friends, I have so much to talk about
>that we do not need any alcoholic drink at all.
>
>By the way, I CAN drink.  I just get more kick out of not drinking. :)
>
>>henry "with one deadly exam to go" chon
>
>James Choi

I understand James's feelings, since I have been in the similar situations
many times.  But Henry's question was not about "to drink or not to drink,
or why drink".

About the Best Anju for Soju,  ManMi-II at SinCheon was to said to have
best Anju for Soju in reasonable price, which I remember is fork rib.
How it is prepared and cooked is their secret, so you have to figure out.

For quick preparation, IMHO, an instant noodle, called YookKyeJang SaBalMyeon
was good.  When I was doing an undergraduate senior project, I used to
stay late at graduate students' labs.  In late fall or winter, it was
quite cold in the lab.  One or two cups of SoJu accompanied by the warm,
hot and spicy YookKyeJang SaBalMyeon really made the whole environment
more friendly and warmer (not to mention my body).  I still miss that time 
( I am sure that anyone who were in that lab should remember this experience ).

BTW, I cannot drink alcohol (One small cup of Soju is my maximum).

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From: bark@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Bark Kwangyl)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Don't Preach! (I : "Orange-Jok" Economy)
Date: 16 Dec 92 02:52:17 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

In article <1992Dec15.194211.18814@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>In article <BzBA6A.4o5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> seo@capone.ccsm.uiuc.edu (Jong-Wook Seo) writes:
>>
>>They even tried to brought examples such as Beverly Hills - South Central 
>>LA and Fifth Ave. - East Harlem.
>>The same person even continues to say "Urban problems are everywhere".
>>So, what?
>>Do you know anything about what the real nature of the Korean urban 
>>problem is?
>>Even if you don't care much about it, any problem America has can be in 
>>other society?
>
>	Any problem America has can be in other society because urban 
>problems are not just a local matter.  The same applies to drug, 
>prostitution, crime, homelessness, etc.  It's not that we want to 
>have these problems in our cities, but it's just that these problems
>are inevitable in the development of a urban civilization.  What's
>important is how we are going to solve them.

Every society in the world has it's own urban problems more or less.
But no other industrialized country has such a horrible  problem
like USA.  This is a problem Korea should not  have.

One remarks! Brian. 
I am always amazed by your sincereity and consistency in worshiping America 
and everything related to  America.
In above paragraph, you  even dare to say that Korea's urban problem is 
natural because America has it too.  What a strange logic! 
According to your strange logic, we should expect a wholescale urban riot
like that of LA because  America had it this year.
I hope not!

Please keep in mind that there are many urbanized cities outside of USA.
And most of those  industiralized cities in Europe, Japan and Korea has 
much less urban problems than those in USA.
Please also  remember that  there are people  in this earth who cann't 
even bear to hear those pop/rock  music of USA you  and your friends
admired so much these days, imploring the deficiency of same level of 
pop/rock music in Korea at the same time.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: yang@luther.che.wisc.edu (Heewon Yang)
Subject: Re: Re: DJ for President -- 2
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:03:50 CST
Originator: yang@luther.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Dec15.181325.26541@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> umin@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Un-Sig Min) writes:
>
>   I heard that  Real Name in banking account is used a lot because
>of heavy tax for the fake name-account.  But big money used by company
>is not reported for tax.

 Just a question. How they tax the fake name account? Are they
collecting directly from that account? If then, how? Who did it Bank or
Revenue? And how they punish who didn't pay tax with the fake name
account?
 
>un-sig 

-Heewon.
--
 Heewon  Yang				yang@luther.che.wisc.edu
 Dept. of Chem. Engr.
 Univ. of Wisconsin - Madison.
From: whang@tamaru.kuee.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Whang Sung-Keun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: orange jok
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:09:14 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Organization: Dept. of Electr. Eng., Kyoto Univ., Japan



  > >I heard about "organge jok" in ab-goo-jung-dong
  > >in bbs.  Can someone tell me their identity,
  > >and problems of them in Korean society?
  > 
  > Problems? What problems?
  > They are very attractive young people in Korea.

Yes,that's right.

 Are you afraid? Oh, Don't worry about that. 
 How about that!

 It just a attractive young people.
 I don't think Juvenile Delinquent.

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From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: Don't Preach! (I : "Orange-Jok" Economy)
Organization: Alchemy International
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:16:43 GMT

In article <8946@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> bark@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Bark Kwangyl) writes:
>>	Any problem America has can be in other society because urban 
>>problems are not just a local matter.  The same applies to drug, 
>>prostitution, crime, homelessness, etc.  It's not that we want to 
>>have these problems in our cities, but it's just that these problems
>>are inevitable in the development of a urban civilization.  What's
>>important is how we are going to solve them.
>
>One remarks! Brian. 
>I am always amazed by your sincereity and consistency in worshiping America 
>and everything related to  America.
>In above paragraph, you  even dare to say that Korea's urban problem is 
>natural because America has it too.  What a strange logic! 
>According to your strange logic, we should expect a wholescale urban riot
>like that of LA because  America had it this year.
>I hope not!

	Kwangyl, please read what I wrote above.  You haven't understood
a single thing I have said.  And frankly, I'm getting sick of your twisting
my words to suit your purpose.  If you have a problem with my attitude,
let's take it to e-mail and save some bandwidth.
>
>Please keep in mind that there are many urbanized cities outside of USA.
>And most of those  industiralized cities in Europe, Japan and Korea has 
>much less urban problems than those in USA.
>Please also  remember that  there are people  in this earth who cann't 
>even bear to hear those pop/rock  music of USA you  and your friends
>admired so much these days, imploring the deficiency of same level of 
>pop/rock music in Korea at the same time.

	And those who do not like rock n roll are free to speak out.  
That's why we have this wonderful thing called Usenet.  So, now, tell me,
do *you* find Korean pop music more intelligent than American/British
music?  That was my original complaint, I would like your opinion.

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Behavior.
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:03:01 GMT

jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim) writes:
>tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>>Recently I read an article on sexual behavior in 'Nature' journal.
>>For who don't read this journal, here I post some funny statistics.
>>Some French investigators surveyed sexual behavior of 20,055 people.
>>Here are some data (of age 18 - 34).
>>	Age at first intercourse :     17    (Gee, I should be ashamed!)
>>	Multipartner (1 year)    :     21%   (     speechless          )
>>	Homosexuality            :     3.3%
>>	Intercourse with prostitutes : 4.3%
>
>I guess this is among French people.  For some reason, I have expected more
>radical numbers.  

More radical??? Hmm, I thought this was very schocking number.
(21% have multiple sexual partner at the same time!).
BTW, all of 20,055 people are not Parisians and there is a significant
regional difference (ex. homosexuality in Paris is 4.7 times higher 
than rural regions). So if you are living in a city, you might have
a different impression(?).

>>For more information, read the article (Nature, Vol 360. 407 - 412).
>
>Andy Kim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean