HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nakasima@kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp
Subject: Re: savings accounts
Reply-To: nakasima@kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp
Organization: Dept. of Info. Sci., Kyoto Univ., JAPAN
	<THOMAS.92Sep1180553@beat.aic.co.jp>
	<Sep01.163806.73893@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 07:17:22 GMT

In article <Sep01.163806.73893@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura) writes:

 > In article <THOMAS.92Sep1180553@beat.aic.co.jp> thomas@aic.co.jp (Thomas Johannsen) writes:
 > :
 > :
 > 	   Almost the same as banks.  "Tax-free" is applicable to any savings
 > 	   accounts with "LESS" than 3 million yen ($24,000?).  If the amount 
 > 	   exceeds the limit, 20% of interest will be taken as tax.

No, unless Jeffrey is older than 65 (probably).  The low for tax-free
saving was revised several years ago, and we are now paying 20% tax on
interests.
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.japan:7321 soc.culture.china:23935 soc.culture.hongkong:10148 soc.culture.taiwan:12401
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:19:21 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.japan
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:

>In article <1992Aug25.040806.3255@ducvax.auburn.edu> kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim) writes:
>>8) Do not ask resposibility to the individual Japanese. This does not produce
>>any fruit, because individual japanese is same person as the individual of
>>the neighbour countries. Only the Japanese poiticians are blamed if they should.Since they are supposed to know the fact behind their policy.

>Does anybody takes it seriously when someone asks to an individual 
>Japanese to bear responsability for pre-1945 matters, if anyone asked
>in fact an individual Japanese?  I mean, I would like to know what 
>Japanese politicians represent!  All it smells like multi-face 
>chameleon showing its own customized face and color at different
>occasions.

Perhaps you are right and it is a chameleon, but I wonder how many
there are, and exactly where they are?

Yesterday, I summarized what has been said recently here for the
benefit of the 15 members of discussion group I lead in Osaka. They
pointed out that ITHO (In Their Humble Opinion) the Emperor is going
to China at the request of the current Chinese governent. Further,
they said that the original entry of the JIA into China was at the
request of the then rebel, now current communistic government in
order to defeat the nationalists. 

They continued by saying that, as is well known, the JIA got out of
hand and committed many atrocities upon Chinese civilians. Exactly
how many and where is open to question, but they felt that it was a
fact that it happened. 

Thus they didn't feel the current Japanese government owes the
current Chinese government an apology. They did feel that an apology
is owed to the Chinese people. From there, the discussion changed to
how this could be done without implying that Japan/China was at
fault (and therefore somebody owes somebody money). 

No conclusion was reached on this point. To be continued...

Note: This is not my opinion. I am only reporting what people
told me. My part was to ask them questions.

Dave

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: justin@mik.uky.edu (Justin Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Any Japanese Pussy Available?
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:58:23 GMT

Linda Absher writes
> In article <1992Aug31.031359.12423@ccu.umanitoba.ca>  
umsalte2@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mystery) writes:
> >
> >
> >I really need a virgin Japanese, hightec cunt!!!!!!
> >
> 
> I find this little comment unbelievably offensive...
> 
> Go away.....

Amen.. Small wonder orientals call Westerners 'barbarians.'
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Long Distance Company
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:26:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

I tried MCI. They called me at home on the phone asking me to switch. I asked
how much to call Japan. The price they quoted was more than AT&T and I said as
much. The person said just a minute let me check. I waited. The person came
back saying they were mistaken and that the price was actually 10 cents less if
I signed up for this special plan they had. I said OK sign me up for MCI AND
THE SPECIAL PROGRAM. I was also told that if I didn't like MCI they would
switch me back, no hassles. The first month's phone bill came and MCI was
charging me way more than AT&T had been to call Japan. I called MCI. OK, we'll
straighten it out right way. The next month's bill came, no change. MCI said
OK, we'll get it straight this month and we'll credit you for last month. They
were very insistent that I stay with MCI. Third month's bill came, no change. I
called MCI, hopping mad, and told the person who answered that I wanted to be
switched back to AT&T, ASAP. That person put me on hold. Three minutes later a
salesperson came on line and gave me a VERY hard time about switching back. I
finally told the person I'll just call AT&T, they have always provided better
service anyway. The salesperson hung up on me. I am now back with AT&T.

I tried Sprint once too but that's another story. While I have MCI I frequently
had line noise so bad that I had to hang up and call back, a problem that I
have never had with AT&T.

I hasten to remind everyone that all of this is only my experience. Maybe I was
just unlucky or whatever. I'll NEVER tried any other long distance service
though.

smittie
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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: What do most of Japanese think of Korean (Re: An open letter..)
Date: 23 Aug 92 23:28:00 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura) writes:

>In article <2454@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>>	kawai gaijin	"scary" gaijin, likes to seduce Japanese 
>>	^^^^^^		women (often comes to Japan for that purpose)
>>	 /^\ 
>	  |    you meant "kowai,"  didn't you?

Undoubtely :-)

>	I didn't know about "futsu" and "kowai," but "heNna gaijin" is popular
>	nationwide.  Especially on TV comedy shows, hosts like Tamori and 
>	Takeshi usually make fun of "gaijin" guests like Dave Spector and Kent
>	Dellicot (spl?).

Yes, that is so. 

>	The word like "heNna gaijin" has two distinguished connotations, I
>	think.  One is sounds-offending-but-actually-showing-friendliness type, 
>	and the other is no-foreigner-can-really-understand-our-culture type.
>	So if your good friends use the expression, it most likely connotes the
>	former, and if someone that doesn't know you use it, probalby the 
>	latter.

While that may be so for some people, in this case they explictily
said that they felt very very uncomfortable around henna gaijins as
the felt stupid and ill-educated in comparison and disliked watching
such people on TV. 

I pointed out that there are non-native speakers of English that
speak/write better than many/most natives (Joesph Conrad comes to
mind) but this didn't seem to soothe their fears.... 

>	BTW, Dave, which of the three categories you posted do you think will
>	apply to you?   :->  (no offense intended)

Good question! I don't know ... I can't really be called a henna
gaijin as I don't understand Japanese except for a few expressions.
On the other hand I've lived here for some time and do some tricks
using hashi left handed (both at the same time, with a little
practice) as I'm somewhat ambidextrous (wonderful when people are
carrying on about how fantastic it is that a gaijin can use hashi at all :-)

In any case, a long time ago I found that most of the time life went
easier if I acted like a futsu gaijin (even though I didn't know the
word at the time) as people tend to be very kind to them and go out
of their way to help them. But once you start speaking Japanese, a
lot of people think you should live a Japanese-style life and all
kind of problems arise. In contrast when somebody speaks English
they can pretty much only speak English, they aren't asked to change
their way of living, their values, etc., etc. 

So, I don't know how to say it in Japanese but I think of myself as
'eccentric gaijin' :-)

Dave

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From: andy@nff.ncl.Omron.Co.Jp (Andy Krantz)
Subject: Re: telephones again
Reply-To: andy@nff.ncl.omron.co.jp
Organization: Omron Computer Systems R&D Labs 
Distribution: soc.culture.japan
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 03:51:08 GMT

In article <HARKCOM.92Sep2090756@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp>, harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom) writes:
> In article <PASCAL.92Sep1172950@ap22.apd.cpg.sony.co.jp>
>    pascal@apd.cpg.sony.co.jp (Pascal Goguey) writes:
> 
>  =}	   Just one thing about phones : In his post, Alton Harkcom writes :
>  =}	   "I don't remember about international access, but I seem to recall
>  =}having to ask for it."
>  =}	   You don't have to ask anything. You just have to dial. Don't worry !
>  =}The international phone company (KDD for some areas) will send you the bill.
 
On a related note. 

I am shopping around for a phone line (or the 'right' as Mr Harkom calls it).

I haven't head that NTT is automatically giving international access.

Assuming that the line I get can NOT dial abroad, would I still be able to
get incoming calls from overseas?

The dorm I live in recently installed jacks into the individual rooms. Up
till now we only had two lines coming into the dorm (for 150 guys). This
assured you that the dorm manager would be on your back if you spent more
than five minutes on line. It was irrelevant if the call was coming from
abroad.

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 Phone: +81-75-951-5111 x3691 FAX: 956-7403\ gaijin. I understand nobody and 
 OMRON Corp., Computer Systems R&D Labs    / nobody understand me. How could
 Shimokaiinji, Nagaokakyo Kyoto, 617 Japan/   I possibly speak for company?
From: Michael.Welch@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Michael Welch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Studying Japanese in Japan: Albert Jeans
Date: 30 Aug 92 06:05:50 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

Would you please forward any information to my address, I will deeply
appreciate it. Thank you.

Michael W.
Michael.Welch@bbs.oit.unc.edu

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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:08:19 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura) writes:

 >>davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
 >>
 >>>Yesterday, I summarized what has been said recently here for the
 >>>benefit of the 15 members of discussion group I lead in Osaka. They
 >>>pointed out that ITHO (In Their Humble Opinion)  [......]
 >>> the original entry of the JIA into China was at the
 >>>request of the then rebel, now current communistic government in
 >>>order to defeat the nationalists. 

....

>	Actually that was an excuse for Kanto-gun and other military to take
>	an action.  Even *they* needed a reasonable (at least to themselves)
>	excuse to "enter" into other countries and to "help" someone there.

>	This is clearly stated in my 10-year-old history textbook.  Probably
>	the people whom Mr. McLane talked have forgotten that they might mave
>	learned this since there is no need for them to study history for exams 	any more.  It's a sad thing, though.  :-<

The people I talked to range from ~24 - ~61 with most of them over
40 so they probably read even older history book. However, one
person is a history buff and had read many other (Japanese) books
and he had this same idea. 

In any case, could you supply us with a reference and a short quote?

Thanks,

Dave

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.history
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: US colonializing (Was: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan)
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 01:48:06 GMT

miklg@acuson.com (Michael Goldman ) writes:

>	I have seen this argument before, and it is hard for me to understand.
>	The US was far superior in industrial and military capacity to Japan
>	at the time Japan was grabbing its sphere of influence in the 1890's.
>	In fact, the Russo-Japanese War was largely fought with war ships
>	made in the US and the UK to order of the combatants.  

From my reading, all the Russian ships were made in Germany or Russia, and all the
Japanese ships were made in the UK or Japan. Do you have any information on ships
made in the US?

>       By the end
>	of the US Civil War the US had the best Army and largest Navy in the
>	world, and at any time after that could have carved out whatever
>	piece of China she had a desire for.  

Your patriotism has shanghaied your statistics here. Certainly in 1865 the Union Army
was large and battle-hardened, but within a decade it was run right down. As for the
"largest Navy in the world", this is sheer fantasy. At no time during the Civil War
did the combined Union and Confederate navies reach the size of the French navy, much
less the Royal (British) Navy. In ship numbers the USN trailed the Brits until after
WWI. In technology, it lagged behind both Britain and Germany in the "Dreadnaught"
revolution in naval architecture of the early 1900s.

>       If Japan could get terrtorial
>	concessions from China in the 1890s certainly the US could have as well
>	had she wanted them.  That she chose not to could be due to a number
>	of reasons, but military inability seems hard to credit.

It was busy at the time snatching colonies off Spain: (Philipines, Cuba, ...)
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From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:54:14 GMT
	<1992Aug25.040806.3255@ducvax.auburn.edu>
	<1992Aug25.164559.28438@udel.edu> <2494@aegis.or.jp>
	<jwb.714802044@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au>
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

>A disinterested study of the history of that area  leads one, IMHO, to the
>inescapable conclusion that the Japanese oligarchy was hell-bent on "intruding"
>on China from before the Sino-Japanese war of the 1890s...

In light of the fact that Britian, Germany, and a few other western powers had
already "intruded" into China from monetary gain I suspect that it could be
argued that Japan was simply taking a piece of the pie for themselves.

I am not suggesting that this justifies anything. I am only pointing out that
Japan was not the only country eating away at China's sovereignty.

smittie
 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: yoichi@milton.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Subject: Re: Toto Washolet
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:22:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.213103.21602@lsil.com> mitch@dc49.dc writes:
> ... The Japanese quest for hygene and ...
                   ^^^^^
I didn't realize it was a "QUEST!, Quest, quest ... (add echo)" :)

 Motto: To bowl-edly go where no one has "gone" before ...

>lack of inhibition regarding disgarding human waste is probably
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^c?^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>why they are so popular there and yet virtually unheard of here in the US.

You mean like "tachi-shon"? ... but then it seems contradictory ...

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: Any Japanese Pussy Available?
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:33:04 GMT

justin@mik.uky.edu (Justin Sullivan) writes:

>Linda Absher writes
>> In article <1992Aug31.031359.12423@ccu.umanitoba.ca>  
>umsalte2@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mystery) writes:
>> >
>> >
>> >I really need a virgin Japanese, hightec cunt!!!!!!
>> >
>> 
>> I find this little comment unbelievably offensive...
>> 
>> Go away.....

>Amen.. Small wonder orientals call Westerners 'barbarians.'


I had seriously considered bundling this up with some scathing remarks
and forwarding it back to the system mgr of his node.

Charlie

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.japan:7461 soc.culture.china:24284 soc.culture.hongkong:10257 soc.culture.taiwan:12577
From: yung@r-node.gts.org (Amos Yung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 29 Aug 92 14:53:43 GMT
Organization: Public Access UNIX Information System

In article <1992Aug27.210708.17263@Princeton.EDU> karchang@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Kar Man Chang) writes:
>
>I think you hit the nail on the head here. Japan has become an economic
>giant, but its political influence is not as strong as its economic
>influence.  I think its history during WWII plays an important role
>in this.  Just by trying to forget everything about WWII and without
>owning up to what it did, the effects of the war will always be a
>dark shadow within Japan itself and between Japan and its neighbours.
>
>I don't think you can blame the voters for not changing the government
>or influencing the politicians on this matter.  It is probably not an
>important issue at all within Japan.  What Japan needs is politicians
>with a world vision.  Without satisfactorily handling the aftermath of
>the war, Japan probably will not get the kind of support it hopes to 
>get from its East Asian neighbours.
>

Then, again, any good will gesture from the Japanese will be met with
skepticism from her neighbours. If she even try to increase her political
influences, then there can only be out right hostility from everybody.
The Americans yell "Pearl Harbour!" just because they are voluntarily
buying Japanese goods.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: dyeh@netcom.com (Daniel Yeh)
Subject: Area Code in Japan
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 05:29:57 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


Hi there,

Does any one know what cities are the area codes 42 and 422 for in Japan?

Thanks.

Daniel
dyeh@netcom.com
From: jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: US colonializing (Was: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan)
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:14:52 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <7162@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert) writes:
|
|| |miklg@acuson.com (Michael Goldman ) writes:
|
|| 	You realize, do you not, that this will result in a 27-part series on
|| 	the Open-Door policy, the Spanish-American War, and the US Civil
|| 	War?  I'm sorry sirrah, that it must come to this, but you leave
|| 	me no choice!   :-)
|
|By now, we all know that it goes without saying. Do tell it like it is,
|Michael! Give 'em hell in 20,000 words or less :-)

   20K or less shall be formally termed a "mini-Mutlu" and shall be given 
all due credit toward a degree in obfuscation.

|- Bill

Larry J

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From: An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Date: 30 Aug 92 02:45 PDT
Subject: in French: Jap. language, burakumi
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1473500055:000:508
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!anlyyao    Aug 30 02:45:00 1992


Recently I saw someone's question concerning French books on
Japanese. I am just packing some books and run into those ones:
 
 
Kuwae: Manuel de Japonais, 2 Vol., L'Asiatheque, 1979,  ISBN 2-901795-25-0
 
        These are actually one of the nicest books teaching Japanese
        I saw on the American/German/French market.
 
 
J.-F. Sabouret: l'autre japon, les burakumin, 1983, ISBN2-7071-1413-8
 
        Not so easy to get good literature on this topic in Japan
 
 
Goetz Kluge
Seoul 1992/08/30
Korea
From: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Phobia (was Re: The Russo-Japanese War (part 2))
Date: 29 Aug 92 00:12:11 GMT
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center

In article <3780@fcs280s.ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda -- It's ME!) writes:

>   And Japanese are homophobic, too, especially in a foreign country.

   Oops, I did it again. Sorry, folks, for my inappropriate English usage
which might have caused some confusion.

   As most of you might have guessed, I used the word "homophobia" as "hatred
or distaste against one's own people." I didn't mean to say anything about
homosexuality. I'm not homophobic nor homophilic in that meaning.
I'd like to thank those who let me know my embarrassing mistake.
    
   In Japanese, "douzoku ken-o" might be the word for hatred against one's own
people. Interestingly, when I asked my American colleague if there's any
English word describing this situation, she told me that there is none as 
far as she knew. She also said that "douzoku ken-o" is not such a common feeling
at least among Americans and that there might be no need for the word. I wonder
if this is something specific to Japanese. 

Michiaki Masuda