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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 92 13:40:00 PDT
From:         MEDELSTEIN@SCU
Subject:      Re: Installation hiccups
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  Actually, these questions are prompted by the group's exchanges about
NB 4, but aren't about installation.  I'm still using what I guess is
a dinosaur, NB3 (with no supplemental programs like IBID).  Given what
appear to be programming and installation problems with NB4, I'm wondering
what the reasons might be for upgrading if one hasn't already purchased
the upgrade.  First, what advantages is NB 4 supposed to have over NB3,
if one isn't the type to want the lastest version for its own sake?
Also, has anyone purchased the upgrade recently enough to remember
what it cost?  And does anyone have handy the 800 number for NBI (
formerly Dragonfly, I guess)--the #, that is, for customer queries,
in case that's not the same number for calling to see what became of
one's upgrade?  Thanks for information out there anyone can provide.
Marilyn Edelstein, Dept. of English, Santa Clara University, Santa
Clara CA 95053.
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 92 20:29:46 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Printing with HP Deskjet 500
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Jean-Pierre Ruiz writes:

> [...] Then, when I
> tried to print (in Roman 12 point), two things happened.  First, the printer
> failed to respect the right margin.  Second, text in Greek and Hebrew was
> printed as gibberish in symbols (plus and minus signs, uppercase sigmas, a
> lowercase alpha, and a dot or two).

It sounds very much as if there are no fonts available for Lingua to
download to your printer.  Wasn't there a note on the list a while ago
that the DeskJet 500 fonts are not yet ready?  This could be your
problem: the printer driver tells the DJ 500 to use the (unavailable)
proportional Times Roman and Greek or Hebrew fonts, the printer
doesn't find them and substitutes the closest internal font it can
find.  The result is a print job wherein monospaced fonts are
substituted for proportionally spaced fonts, and the right margin gets
overrun.  The high ASCII bytes used for many of the Greek and Hebrew
character codes would also show up as strange gibberish.

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 92 11:43:45 EDT
From:         Gregory Bloomquist <GBLOOMQ@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA>
Subject:      Re: Has 4 reached Canada? Again
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Not unless it is in this morning's mail.  When I called NBI last week, I was
told that NB 4 was being shipped out air mail (Canada Post, not UPS, you'll be
glad to know) on Thursday.

Greetings.

L. Gregory Bloomquist
Saint Paul University / University of Ottawa

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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 92 09:55:00 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Fonts in NB4
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Bob Kosovsky writes:

> We have an IBM PS/2 386 connected to HP LasterJet II, with L & P fonts
> on a Z cartridge.  According to the cartridge (which was correctly
> reflected in NB3) we have basically TimesRomand and Helvetica in mostly
> 10, 12 and a few extras in 8 and 14.  But in NB4, the help menu claims it
> sees only 6, 18, 24.  And I see the "PT###" no longer works.  So how do
> I print out using times iwth either 10 or 12 point size?

It sounds as if you may be confused by the new "Font Family" (FF)
command.  There are now separate format deltas for font family and
point size.  Use the help menu for now, until you become familiar with
the structure, and choose the font family first (TimesRoman or
Helvetica, etc.), *then* select the appropriate size.  If you
subsequently examine the document in expanded mode (with Shift+F8) you
will see what this selection has done.  The size menu will only show
you the sizes available for the currently selected font family.

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
From: RMB@CUNYVMS1.BITNET (Robert Braham)
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Subject: RE: misc
Date: 16 Oct 92 11:54:40 GMT
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Jerry Walsh writes:

>Now the queries.  When I installed NB4 and Lingua last night in my
>late-night stupor, it worked find.  Hebrew inserted into English text
>pushed the characters to the left, as it should.  Today, it doesn't.
>Yes, I'm in Lingua (it's puce...), yes, the proper screen fonts seem
>to be installed:  I get the Lingua-specific transliterated diacritics
>(aleph and ayin, shin, underdots, etc.), I get Hebrew and Greek fonts
>onscreen, including Hebrew vowels (though I didn't try vocalized con-
>sonants).  Yes, I get the "H" indicator when I hit Ctrl-H.  But the
>Hebrew text enters left-to-right.  What am I forgetting to do now
>that it's daytime and I'm alert?


I used to get precisely this problem.  Try activating the printer
*first* (Set-Printer), the Lingua printer, that is.  I think
that's thw way I fixed it.

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From: WALSHJ@SJUVM.BITNET (Jerry Walsh)
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Subject: Re: Symbol set switching
Date: 17 Oct 92 03:23:21 GMT
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Itamar--
   Just to confirm my earlier posting.  I have switched from Lingua to
ASCII to Lingua to ASCII repeatedly via the F1 => Set => Symbol set
procedure and have had no hassle with it at all.  This has sometimes
included activating new printers at each switch, sometimes not.  Still
no problems.  (On screen, that is.  I haven't tried printing a file.)
                                             Jerry Walsh
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 92 21:54:39 EDT
From:         Hugh Agnew <AGNEWHL@GWUVM>
Subject:      Installation hiccups
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While trying to figure out what to do, and get through to NBI, I would
like to appeal to the list also for any advice about what happens to me
when I try to install NB4 on my system (Everex 286 clone).  After closely
reading the (not too extensive) installation instructions, I decided to
install NB4 in the NB directory while "having my version 3.0 Master Loading
and Speller disk handy to insert when indicated".  Everything chugs along
fine (apparently) until I get the message "Extracting WORD.OVR".  There is
a brief flash of successful "done", then an annoying beep, and the error
message "path not found", followed by another beep, and the instruction
"Error: wrong output path: press [enter]".  When I press enter, I go back
to the beep followed by "path not found" and the merry-go-round repeats
itself a total of five times.  Then the blinking cursor hops up to the
"action line" and the entire installation process just quits.  So: now I
no longer have NB 3.1, and I don't yet have NB 4.0.  Somewhat frustrating.

If any of you could take the time to give me some advice, I'd sure appreciate
it.  My address is AGNEWHL@GWUVM.BITNET.

Yours,  Hugh Agnew
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 92 16:45:08 -0400
From:         "Marvyn R. Harris" <mrh3b@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NB4 and cursor speed
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Thank you Bill for the information on how to set the Typematic
rate on NB4. The slowest value is "2" and the fastest is "30".
Naturally, the program arrived set at 30. I've now set mine to
"16" and that is about as fast as I can handle it.

I thought I would detest the pull-down menus, but I must confess
that I love them for resetting defaults! I may graduate to using
them for other things such as file handling. I spent an hour and
a half this afternoon doing lessons 1-4 of the Tutorial where
everything is described in terms of menus rather than entries on
the command line -- oops! -- the action line. The procedures are
not that bad. Once one's neuro-motor reflexes became established,
it might be just as fast as a command on the action line.

Roy Harris - University of Virginia
mrh3b@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU, mrh3b@Virginia.Bitnet
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 92 09:54:14 -0500
From:         Kenneth Salzberg <ksalzber@HAMLINE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: misc
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As for the switching back and forth between Lingua and ASCII,
I have had no problems at all.  I am given _three_ (not four
) choices: Lingua, ASCII, and ASCII with true italic and
superscript.  I have set some of the regular colors differently
in each so that I can tell which one I'm in (the true italic and
lingua roman screen fonts seem the same, so I thought I'd need the
help.  I may change back later).
	I've got an ATI Wonder+ card running the video, so that may
help to explain it, but I can go back and forth with no trouble (I
just tried again, in another window (running under Desqview)).  I've
noted other problems, but this isn't one.  The worst this gets is that
when one goes from one of the ASCII's to Lingua, the screen blanks,
amessage appears (resetting video [mode?]), and then, CTRL-H starts
typing hebrew the "right" direction.
	I have noted that I still can't run NB _outside_ of DV, since
the Alt key, upon being struck, becomes inalterably stuck, as it did
in 3.0, and 3.1.  None of the "unstick" programs have solved this
one, and, upon quitting (since the alt key is stuck, Ctrl+Shift+Esc
gets to the quit command, and, at least some of the time, the "y" is
recognized, other times CTRL+DEL (making a C+A+D reboot) gets me out)
the alt key is still stuck in DV, as is the rest of the keyboard, and
is stuck(please ignore the last line, I forgot where I was, figuratively)
the keyboard is hung, and I need to reboot to un stick it.  I really would
like to solve this one, but haven't found an answer in the years its
occured.

--Ken Salzberg
ksalzber@hamline.edu
From: WALSHJ@SJUVM.BITNET (Jerry Walsh)
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Subject: Huddle at AAR/SBL
Date: 17 Oct 92 03:36:03 GMT
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With his authority as head of the Computer Assisted Research Group,
Robin Cover has proposed that the NBListers attending the AAR/SBL in SF
gather at the CARG room (H1-L-Plaza-A, whatever that means).

With no authority whatsoever, except that I caucused with Paul Bodin and
Jean-Pierre Ruiz this evening, I proposed that we meet there on Sunday
afternoon at 3:30, and see what happens from there.
                                        Jerry Walsh
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 92 12:57:00 GMT
From:         "L.LITVACK" <ENG1787@VAX2.QUEENS-BELFAST.AC.UK>
Subject:      Timetabling by computer
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Dear all,
I used TextBase successfully to timetable all of my first-year students
(270 of them) into appropriate tutorial times, avoiding clashes with other
subjects.  This was fine in some measure, but there was some manual
tweaking required to get things right.
What I am now looking for is a dedicated timetabling software package,
which will maintain scheduling and supplemental information on courses,
students, rooms, lecturers, etc., and which has clash-checking.
At the moment the only one I know about is called CelCat, produced by Corbett
 Engineering Ltd in Warwickshire (UK).  It comes in three versions:
Lite (30 courses max), Plus (1000 courses max) and Gold (unlimited courses).
Prices are 250, 520, and 1200 pounds sterling respectively (ouch!).
Does anyone know of anything cheaper (ideally shareware)?

Many thanks.

Leon Litvack
ENG1787@uk.ac.queens-belfast.vax2
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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 92 19:35:00 CST
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Subject:      Re: installing lingua
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Wayne Meeks wonders who his network administrator is. In fact, this seems to
be a new option for a "networkable" NB--styles that may be a departmental,
or network, standard. As to editing a document format, you could copy across
any that you've already set up, or you can use the "create" option in the
Layout--Style menu. Note that the only style that this version comes with
is a FAX cover sheet.

Robert Lavenda             lavenda@msus1
From: WALSHJ@SJUVM.BITNET (Jerry Walsh)
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Subject: Re: NB4 arrival
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:53:56 GMT
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              13 Oct 92 16:53:10 -0400 from <tom9e@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU>

Thomas Mammoser--
   You were absolutely right about the statements re: documentation and
warranty being hidden in the fine print of the papers we got.  Thanks.
RTFM strikes again...
                                            jtw
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Subject: Re: NBLINGUA & Toshiba Cyrillic
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:55:00 GMT
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It may be necessary to install printers *twice*: once under NB4, and once
during the LINGUA installation. Actually, the latter is the only necessary
istallation if one is only going to print via Lingua.
Robert Lavenda                            lavenda@msus1
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 92 23:42:54 EDT
From:         Jerry Walsh <WALSHJ@SJUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Eschatalogical RAMbytes in NB4
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Two observations on tweaking out a few more bytes of RAM in NB4.

(1) I reported earlier that ADDMEM, which grabs about 90 Kbytes of idle
memory from the video card for use in text mode, crashed with Lingua.
On the advice of Paul Bodin, I tried loading NB4 with the /b switch.  It
works.  I now have an extra 90 Kbytes (approx., depending on unknown
factors) in both Lingua and ASCII NB4.  The screen goes briefly weird
while it is in process of switching things, but in edit mode, it's fine.
I think it runs marginally slower, but for 90 Kbytes, I can live with it.
Thanks, Paul.

(2) The old trick of shelling out to DOS and reentering still seems to
gain some RAM, though less than it did with NB 3.1.  I used to get about
25K out of the procedure; now I seem to get about 10.  However, there is
another trick I've run across.  Switching between symbol sets seems to
gain K's too.  I loaded NB in Lingua mode, F7 reported 161 K; switched
to ASCII mode, F7 reported 175 K.  The difference is *NOT* due to
lower memory requirements of ASCII mode, however:  When I loaded in
ASCII mode, F7 reported 162 K; a switch to Lingua mode reported 175 K.
(All of this with the same printer activated, of course.)
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From:         Tom Schlesinger <tos@OZ.PLYMOUTH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Installation hiccups
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> Has anyone installed NB4 on a drive compressed with Stacker?  When (If)

  I've been using NB 4.0(beta) ver.3/11 on a Stacker drive since March, and
have had no problems whatever.  However, as a precuation against flubs of my
own, I kept NB 3.0 on the other non-Stacker drive... I had to resort to NB 3.0
only very rarely and exclusively because the NB 4.0 beta lacked the proper
printer driver, and because it didn't do ASCII export conversion properly.

  Haven't received my NB 4.0 "real thing" yet, but expect it'll arive on
Tuesday.
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 92 19:48:00 CST
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Subject:      Re: NB4 installation
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Tony Hirtenstein's installation problems seem to be coming from a program
completely unlike the one distributed here in the US. No one here seems
to have reported anything remotely like these difficulties. Is the UK
version a far earlier one? Are Tony's disks corrupted?

Robert Lavenda                      lavenda@msus1
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 92 19:11:53 IST
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Subject:      any messages today?
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Has anyone received messages today? I have not gotten anything
since early yesterday.

Bob Strauss
strauss@uncavx.unca.edu
or strauss@unca.bitnet
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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 92 20:13:20 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Phonetic characters on Lingua
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> ... I have been through all the menus
> on the menu line, and I can't find the "screen fonts menus". How
> does one get those menus on screen? You don't mean "Symbol sets"
> under "Set", do you?

Actually I was referring to the "switch" or "font-switch" menu that
can be brought up with the Ctrl-F keystroke.  It can also be brought
up through the menu system but I don't remember how--the shortcut is
so much more convenient.

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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From:         dave reimer f <dreimer4@MACH1.WLU.CA>
Subject:      Searching in Lingua
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To Michael Dick:

I tried searching for a "sha2" (i.e., s+hacek, a+acute). I don't use
F4, but the command line "se /string/" (noting that spaces can be the
delimiters! a real time saver...). I first tried by simply entering
the Lingua characters on the command line. No go; the characters
didn't take. So, I tried defining my "sha2" in the text and copying it
(with grey+) to the command line. When I hit Grey+, the block copied
and the define was cancelled and, presto! the word was on the command
line! I hit F10 and all worked perfectly. This is with a late beta, not
the Final Release. So, my 30-second experiment seemed promising....

And while we're talking about the bad ol' days, I bought my first
computer in '84 (an Apple //c!). Before that I worked for a research
project that had the latest and greatest: a DEC unix box with 5 dummy
terminals running off it! The great thing about this lightning fast
machine was that if you needed to scroll through a largish document,
you knew that you had at least 20 minutes in which to grab a cup of
coffee....

Best wishes from sunny, crisp, autumnal Waterloo County (home of the
World's Largest Oktoberfest Outside Of Muenchen).
David.
--
David J. Reimer, Religion & Culture                  Fax: (519) 886-9351
Wilfrid Laurier University                   Phone: (519) 884-1970 x2680
Waterloo, ON, Canada N2L 3C5             Internet: dreimer4@mach4.wlu.ca
From: sanjay@KIN.LAP.UPENN.EDU (Sanjay Sinha)
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Subject: Followup - Notabene and Georgian
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:46:34 GMT
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Posted-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 17:46:34 EDT
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The previous posting by me was the first ever done by me and
I realized later that my address was not listed.

My address is

Sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu

I am located at University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, PA, (USA)

Tel: Office 1-215-898 1955
     Home   1-215-386 0746

Thanks

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From: mrh3b@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU (Marvyn R. Harris)
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Subject: Re: Phonetic characters on Lingua
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:38:49 GMT
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>The International Phonetic Alphabet printer fonts are not yet
>available for Lingua.  I don't know what the plans are for
>supporting this font, but I can tell you that the option is
>present in the screen fonts menus

I feel incredibly stupid, but I have been through all the menus
on the menu line, and I can't find the "screen fonts menus". How
does one get those menus on screen? You don't mean "Symbol sets"
under "Set", do you?

Roy Harris - University of Virginia
mrh3b@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU, mrh3b@Virginia.Bitnet
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