HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner)
Subject: Re: Engine broke BMW R80GS help please!
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:17:55 GMT
Reply-To: Chris Steinbroner <hesh@cup.hp.com>
Organization: HP-UX Kernel Lab, Cupertino, CA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

Paul Derks (paul@blade) wrote:
: This has certainly lowered my opinion of BMW. I have driven Japanese bikes
: for 8 years (and on long holidays) and I have never had any problem
: (The bikes were much older to). I have had the BMW for 2.5 months now
: and I am seriously disappointed.

if this were a new bike, then certain maintenance proceedures are
necessary while the engine settles.  in particular, you'll note the
valves tightening up at this time; this is one reason why the specs
during the breakin period list larger clearances than normal.

if it's not a new engine, then going 5000 Km isn't so bad...  since
you haven't had the bike too long, you may not have noticed tell-tale
signs of something being wrong, e.g., excessive valve clatter.

i once had a valve seat break on me; for 2 miles before i got home, engine
noise increased substantially.  i knew something was wrong, limped home,
and found the problem the next morning when i tried to start the engine --
"snap, clunk" it went, and the engine would not turn over.  one half
of the valve seat lodged itself between the head and valve.

digresion aside, you may have done some damage to the bike without
realizing it, due to your not being able to recognize a problem before
it became serious.

i wouldn't write off the BMW yet; for one thing, it'll be fixed in a
day if you don't need head work.  that's a nice feature when vacation
time is so precious.

the cylinders probably aren't scored; i suspect something is floating
around, though.  you probably shouldn't have been cranking the engine
like that when there was obviously a serious problem!


-- hesh
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mfisch@pdx064.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Matthew Fisch)
Subject: Re: stupid people
Reply-To: mfisch@ichips.intel.com
Organization: Workgroup Computing Division, PDX, Intel	
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:02:05 GMT

In article <BuAFtu.JM6@wpi.WPI.EDU>, rtaraz@wpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:
|> 
|> As I was cruising downtown last friday night, I came accros a couple of
|> stupid people who pissed me off.
|> 
|> I was just riding when this Mustang 5.0 came behind me and started 
|> reving his engine, so I took it he wanted to race me, so I smoked him!
|> I have a Ex500 and I know it is not a big/very fast bike, but come on.  I
|> can beat a car anytime.
|> 
|> Then this stupid/fat/ugly/bitch in a Transam pulled up at a light and said:
|> why dont you get a real bike!!. I just laughed at the bitch.  Anyway, as soon
|> as the light turned green, the guy driving floored.  Like I was gonna waste
|> my gas to beat his shity car.
|> 
|> anyway, my point is that it seems like all these people with sports cars feel
|> like they have to beat a motorcyle (which they cant) to make their day.
|> I guess they are jealous that my 1800$ bike can beat their 15000$ car.
|> 

  Yeah, I've also had people try things with me on the highway.  I remember
this one guy in an Eagle Talon who kept riding my butt a 70mph on a nearly
empty highway no matter which lane I switched to.  When I brought it up to 
85mph or so, he gunned it and flew by me.  I waited for him to get 100 yards
ahead or so and brought it up to 150mph and whizzed by him.  I slowed down
to 65mph and he then kept his distance.

  At traffic lights my favorite cure for adolescent 5.0 Mustang drivers is
to stay right with them for a couple of hundred feet and look real bored.
Then I just roll it on and make 'em smell my fumes...

  Another favorite is to look over and rev it up and then leisurely turn right
as they smoke 'em and speed off into the sunset. 

-- 
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|   Matt Fisch								     |
|   mfisch@ichips.intel.com						     |
|									     |
|                          #75 - Team Banana Racing 			     |
|				SUZ GSXR-1186				     |
|									     |
|  "Just a little too much right hand and the Australian Grand Prix is over  |
|   for Kevin Schwantz..."						     |
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From: thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: California Riding Test
Date: 6 Sep 92 00:56:10 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

dsm40@mcode.amdahl.com (Diana St.Martin) writes:

>Could someone please tell me what one has to do during the Ca Riding Test?  I
>am getting ready to take mine and the information would be very useful.

Strangely enough, the test varies, apparently at the whim of your examiner.
In general, it involves zig-zagging thru some pylons and going around a circle
while staying within marked boundaries.  I strongly suggest that you go to the
local DMV office after hours to practice, as the extreme low-speed skills
required are not generally developed in normal riding.  You may very well meet
other riders doing the same, perhaps after failing the test the first time.
One other note, the difficulty ofthe test depends quite a bit on what type of
motorcycle you have - sportbikes can be more difficult because they often have
a rather poor turning radius, and large cruisers can be tricky because of the
long rake and wheelbase.  If you have one of the above bikes and are having
difficulty with the test, you might try and borrow a more suitable bike.
-- 
Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    DoD #47    Would you remember a 1-line .sig?
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Daytona Banking (was Re: >wheelies)
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:35:48 GMT

jerry@stratford.dab.ge.com (Jerry Szulinski) writes:

>Drawing 30 degrees on paper looks a lot milder than it does when you have 
>to drive/ride/walk up it. Try it. All you have to do is measure it and
>all this discussion can be put to rest....
>Then again, I do live in Florida :-).

Go riding with Jeff Deeney sometime, he likes 90 degree slopes! Somehow
he gets up them too.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: FJ1200 vs. ST1100
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:01:51 GMT

Suresh B Peram (peram@cs.tamu.edu) wrote:
: FJ1200 wins hands down on looks.
: After hear so many people rave about the ST1100,
: I went to Houston and had an opportunity to look
: at the ST1100.   It was a total downer.  I am 
: surprised that  people even have a problem deciding
: between the two.  If you want a touring bike, go for
: ST1100, if you want a sport bike go for FJ1200.
: 
: Any problems ?
: 
: Suresh  DoD #0688

Have to agree with you there, Suresh.

Over here, the ST1100 is billed as the Pan-European.  I don't know which pan
they're talking about but I don't know many Europeans who would ride it instead
of an FJ.  I think it's ugly, pricey, slow, heavy and ...Japanese!


Nick (the Biker)     MAG 73516    DoD 1069   Concise Oxford


M'Lu
From: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Waving with meaning..?
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:41:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: tridom.BuL5GE.8BL
Reply-To: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Organization: AT&T Tridom; Marietta, Georgia

In article <136055@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, turner@rastaman.llnl.gov (David Turner) writes:
> In article <1992Sep7.112442.1152@msus1.msus.edu> stafford@msus1.msus.edu writes:
> >While I've little hope that all bikers could get it together to have a
> >good semaphore, maybe someone could come up with a way DoD people could
> >ID. 
> 
> I think the "hook-em horns"/satanist/headbanger signal is appropriate.  It
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> represents Geeky him(her)self.  No ASCII graphics, but you know the one:
> make a fist, then extend the index finger and the little (pinkie) finger.

Eeerr...isn't this one a little overused already?  Besides, think of all the
headbangers and satanists we'd corrupt if they showed up at a DOD event. 

Think Peace.
-- Alan (alanf@eng.tridom.com)
AMA# 634578  DOD# 4210
From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Date: 15 Sep 1992 18:27:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62003.student.cwru.edu

In article <1992Sep15.133034.27141@news.arc.nasa.gov>,
howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland) wrote:
>    The discussion of brand aside, I have yet to 
> read anything negative about synthetic oil used
> in motorcycles. I've never used it, and have been
> informed many times not to use additives as they
> can cause a wet clutch to slip. 
> 
>    Oils like Castrol SynthTec (or whatever) sound
> like they might be too good for a wet clutch.
> 
Well actually, Mobil 1 has yet to make my wet multi-plate clutch slip.
It DOES however, cause my starter clutch to slip at times.  Of course,
the bushing on my clutch is worn to the service limit so...

> Curt Howland        DoD#0663      '82 V45 Sabre

| Dean Cookson / dbc@po.cwru.edu / 216 754-1834 | DoD #207  AMA #573534|
| Case Western Reserve U. Computer E. and Sci.  | KotNML  /  KotB      |
| "If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never | '81 CB750C           |
| get nekkid at all." -Ed Green, DoD #0111      | '88 Bianchi Limited  |
From: danac@morc.asd.sgi.com (Dana Crom)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Fabulous Harley Babe Bashing etc.
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:44:13 GMT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

In article <dbc-090992123743@b62003.student.cwru.edu> dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson) writes:
>In article <18l6b8INN49i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed
>Green - Pixel Cruncher) wrote:
>> I would.  American beer is nothing to get excited over, but it is
>> better beer than no beer.  Anybody that drinks beer, that would rather
>> not drink beer than drink Budwieser, is weird.
>> 
>Mass market American Beer is nothing to get excited over.  Some of the
>micro
>and brew-pub stuff is every bit as good as any beer made anywhere in the
>world.
>
>Dean
>
>ps. In general, I'd rather have a Diet Coke than a Bud.

Agreed on the diet Coke, Dean!

Ed, I see where you're coming from, but unless I've been riding on a *hot*
day and Bud is the *only* cold drink around, I won't touch the stuff.  Life
is too short to drink bad beer, and Bud tastes like they ought to pour it
back into the horse.  Now a good Anchor Steam Beer or Anchor Porter, or
Guiness or Murphy's on tap - that's a religious experience.  But Bud? If I
want something made from fermented rice I'll go to a good Japanese restaurant
and order Sake.
-- 
-----------------------+------------------------+------------------------------
Dana Crom    DoD #0679 | Silicon Graphics, Inc. |  Smile - let them *WONDER* 
danac@morc.asd.sgi.com | (415) 390-1449         |  what you've been up to . . .
From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: ZX1100
Date: 8 Sep 92 02:52:52 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Monday September 07 1992 17:36, Richard A. Swift wrote to All:

 >> 1) How much does a ZX-11 cost in the USA
 RAS> Oh, a little over 8k US dollars last time I was at my dealer.

About 8.5k US dollars, plus tax. Figure 9.2 out the door.

 >> 2) Is it the same as a UK version ZZR-1100-C3 (147PS de-restricted)
 RAS> I bet the US version has higher output than the UK version. I know this
 RAS> was the case with the ZX-10. The US ZX-10 had higher HP figures than
 RAS> almost all other market models. I guess the other models are "de-tuned"
 RAS> to meet noise and emissions standards for the respective countries.

The US version (49-state model by a hair over the CA model) has higher
output than the European model as of the '92 versions, if things have
stayed the same since the '90 shop manual's tables.

 >> 3) How much does it cost to ship one to the UK

The price of the bike including any taxes, plus the duty levied by both
US Customs and the Customs authority of the destination country. Figure
adding another 1k to 2k US dollars to the cost to cover these duties. Then
add about US$ 1200 for shipping. I'd guess it would come to US$ 12k to 13k
by the time it arrived. Then you'd have to get type approval. You'd know
more about those costs.

Still cheaper than the cost of one there, no?

John

--- GoldED 2.40.P0720+
--  
John Hamilton                  uucp: uts.amdahl.com!kennel!john
DoD #0327   ToT #11            internet: john@f8.n143.z1.fidonet.org
ZX-11 From Hell.               arpa: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG
She said, "Its either me or that ZX-11!" Too bad, I'll miss her.
From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: glasses and helmets
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Date: 13 Sep 1992 05:45:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62003.student.cwru.edu

In article <pmvntao@fido.asd.sgi.com>, cj@eno.wpd.sgi.com (C J Silverio)
wrote:
> The FAQ mentions cutting chunks out of the foam liner to
> allow room for glasses.  Is this really a good idea?
> Does it WORK?  Should I get sport glasses or something
> like that?  What solutions have you visually challenged 
> experienced riders found?
> 
Contacts.  Soft, daily wear, disposable.  I can get me helmet on and off
with them in without any problem at all.

> ---
> cj@eno.wpd.sgi.com      C J Silverio/Brahms Gang/Berkeley CA 94720

| Dean Cookson / dbc@po.cwru.edu / 216 754-1834     | DoD #207  AMA
#573534|
| Case Western Reserve U. Computer E. and Sci. dept.| KotNML  /  KotB     
|
| "If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never get | '81 CB750C          
|
| nekkid at all." -Ed Green, DoD #0111              | '88 Bianchi Limited 
|
From: kpm@druhi.ATT.COM (Kevin Malloy (DoD #106))
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Road Sign
Keywords: oil roads sign
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:47:57 GMT
Reply-To: kpm@druhi.ATT.COM (Kevin Malloy (DoD #106))
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO

In article <sysop.170@elan.glassboro.edu> sysop@elan.glassboro.edu (Ken Denton (Supervisor)) writes:
>Saw a sign last month that attracted my attention:
>
>	Freshly Oiled Road

On my most excellent adventure this year, I saw

		Winding Road Next 77 Miles

Naturally, it was in Idaho on US-12 heading toward Lolo pass.  Unfortunately,
about 15 miles into the 77 miles of winding road, I saw the dreaded pair...

		Fresh Oil

followed closely by

		Loose Gravel

Seems that many states (including Colorado :-( ) are reverting back to the
old timey way of resurfacing roads.  Slather on lots of gooey oil and spread
rock chips across it.  At least some places steamroll the stuff then sweep
off the excess.  Not here, they let the traffic grind the rocks in.  Makes
for interesting riding.

					Cheers,
  					    Kevin

Kevin Malloy  kpm@druhi.att.com  AT&T Bell Labs, Denver  (303) 538-3511
633 E. 11th Ave.					 1991 BMW K75RT	  
Denver, CO  80203	I'm voting _NO_ on Colorado 	       DoD #106
(303) 830-2937	   Constitutional Amendment #2, Nov 3rd!
From: elef@smarmy.Corp.Sun.COM (elaine 'BEANO' leffler)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Short Bikers List
Date: 8 Sep 1992 17:21:07 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: elef@smarmy.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: smarmy.corp.sun.com
Keywords: short@smarmy.corp.sun.com


a public service announcement...

short@smarmy.corp.sun.com is an existing mailing list for short 
riders.  i figured i'd post this announcement as there have been 
quite a few 'add me' requests lately.  

much like rec.moto*, our seeming purpose is to discuss motorcycling
issues, but we often digress.  traffic is sporadic, but generally not 
very high.  there is no digest version available.  there is a lengthy
file of recommended bikes for short or beginning riders.  we welcome
contributions to this list o bikes.

you need not be short, female, a beginner, or a current motorcycle 
owner to subscribe.  we don't discriminate (unlike the motorcycle
manufacturers, DIG, DIG)....

use short@smarmy.corp.sun.com to send mail to the list..
use short-request@smarmy.corp.sun.com for administrative requests
(add me, delete me, your mail is bouncing, etc..)

how do i get this added to the monthly mailing list announcement?

elef


  **...........................................................**
     Elaine 'beano' Leffler     North American Solution Center
         elef@smarmy           Sun Microsystems Computer Corp.
    elef@smarmy.corp.sun.com	       (415) 336-5142
  **...........................................................**

    your sweet little cupcake, baked with the batter from HELL....

   "...technology marches on - and makes 150-mph motorcycles for
    15-mph beginners' brains."	_motorcyclist_
From: marcl@os-d.isc-br.com (H. Marc Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Yet another ST1100 question
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:52:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: os-d.marcl.715647173
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

wolf@mt.att.com (Thomas Wolf) writes:

>Also, if the dealer has a couple "left-over" '91s, what is a fair price?  The
>list on that year was $8995, but given that the bike is essentially a year old
>as soon as I drive it off the "lot", I'd like to know what price to start
>negotiating from.

$7,900 would be a fair price.  You can buy a left over 1991 model here in
Spokane for that.  If the dealer markup is 15% (a reasonable guess, based
upon previous knowledge) then  the dealer's margin is approx. $1350.  So
a price of $7,900 still leaves him (or her) with about a $250 profit.
Plus, Honda may offer a kickback to the dealer for selling a "holdover"
unit, so his profit may be even larger...
--
H. Marc Lewis                 |  Phone: (509) 927-5480
ISC-Bunker Ramo Corp.         |  e-mail: marcl@eagle.ISC-BR.COM
E. 22425 Appleway             |  or:  ...!uunet!isc-br!eagle!marcl
Liberty Lake, WA 99220-4008   |  "Nature bats last..."
From: marcl@hela.isc-br.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: IoV TT Ride Report
Keywords: VME
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:01:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

My honey & I just returned from a *GREAT RIDE*, involving a Ferry trip to a
beautiful Pacific NW island where there were hundreds and hundreds of
motorcyclists enjoying the sunny weather, curvy roads, vintage bikes, and
each others company.  I'd tell you exactly where and when, but then I'd have
to kill you (TM)...

From memory, these are some of the bikes that were in attendence:
Aermacchi, BMW, BSA, Benelli, Cagiva, Ducati, Harley Davidson, Honda,
Indian, Jawa, Kawasaki, Laverda, Morini, Moto Guzzi, Mustang, Norton,
Scott, Sunbeam, Suzuki, Topper, Triumph, Vespa, Vincent, Whizzer, Yamaha,
and Zundapp

Lots of women riders, most riding their own bikes.  A guy from Italy on a
Cagiva Paris-Dakar type bike who rode up Australia, then from Tiera del
Fuego (Southern tip of S.A.) up to ****** ******, and was going from there
to Prudhoe Bay on the North slope of Alaska.  A well dressed bunch of
riders -- more leather, and styles and conditions of leathers, than you'd
otherwise see in a year.  

A great place to ogle Ducatis, there being examples from the 60's models to
851 Superbikes.  A beautiful red Vincent, said to be the *ONLY* White Shadow
model ever produced in that color.  A green Sunbeam (when was the last time
YOU saw a Sunbeam?), a 2-stroke Scott which looked amazingly contemporary
for a bike which was probably 50-60 years old (the rider said he only fouled
a couple of plugs on the way there).  And of course HAVOC23's truly
memorable Triumph rat bike, giving new meaning to the word 'neglect'.

Next year I propose an `Official' DoD ride to coincide with, and join with,
the above described event.  I volunteer to set it up...
--
H. Marc Lewis                 |  Phone: (509) 927-5480
ISC-Bunker Ramo Corp.         |  e-mail: marcl@hela.ISC-BR.COM
22425 E. Appleway Ave.        |  or:  ...!uunet!isc-br!hela!marcl
Liberty Lake, WA 99019-9534   |  "Nature bats last..."
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: Roar.Larsen@termo.unit.no (Roar Larsen)
Subject: Waving with meaning..?
Organization: SINTEF, Norway
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 14:14:31 GMT

Last year when I was attending the theoretical part of my MC
schooling, our teacher distributed a sheet of paper with advice on
waving between MC-ists.

According to this system, a wave with the hand _above_ the handlebars
means just a friendly acknowledgement of fellow bikers, while a wave
with the hand _below_ the handlebars means: "Danger - drive legally!!"
This of course is interpreted as meaning dangerous road conditions 
coming up, or some kind of police activity...:-) I've followed this system 
since, as I thought it was a good idea, but I don't think too many others 
are aware of it, as I've never had other bikers give me a low wave, 
although there have several times been reason for it. It seems that this 
method was recently developed, as our instructor told us to "spread the 
word" to other bikers.

Do you guys "over there" (or anywhere else, for that matter) do anything 
at all similar? Maybe we could start a tradition on this??

Roar Larsen          DoD# 463
Trondheim, Norway   '85 FJ 1100

PS - I'm still working on the trip report from our honeymoon - it just 
takes longer than I thought...
From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:31:33 GMT
Subject: Re: Yet another ST1100 question
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker) /  7:07 am  Sep  4, 1992 /
In article <1992Sep4.114657.24783@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, wolf@mt.att.com (Thomas Wolf) writes:
> Well, I'm still trying to chose between a R100GS PD and an ST1100.  This weekend
> I'm gonna try for a test ride on the former and also go to a Honda dealer in
> this area that still has silver STs.  But before I do that...:-)

having seen the state of the roads in NJ, you'll want to be getting the PD.

-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
----------
Shouldn't it be the other way around, BoB? I'd go for the ST1100 rather
than the R100GS because you can travel far, far away from NJ and enjoy
*much* better roads...even the R100GS, heavy as it is, would be sorely
taxed by those potholes (chuckholes?) and besides the ST1100 is *much*
easier to wash all that NJ road grime off of what with the bodywork than
that boxer which needs fine detailing with a discarded toothbrush on
the barrels, etc. Remember, the ST1100 is an excellent motorcycle for
getting your ass out of NJ asap and besides if the new John Bloor
Triumph Trail 900/3 is *that* good (should debut at Cologue show 9/30)
then hold off on the BMW at least til we know which is a better bike
in that category and whether they'll be imported to USA this model
year or not.  

Graeme Harrison, DoD#0649, 'Gimmie a JB Triumph, sport.'
 
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