HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chris@visionware.co.uk (Chris Davies)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: TIN 1.1 PL6 and newsgroup choosing
Date: 29 Sep 92 11:50:17 GMT
Organization: VisionWare Ltd., Leeds, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Tim Pierce (twpierce@unix.amherst.edu) wrote:
: I think not.  All posts to groups marked with "=" are refiled in other
: newsgroups.  You shouldn't ever have any reason to subscribe to such a
: group.  Allowing a user to select an aliased newsgroup is simply
: misleading.

So how about reading the bit past the '=' and pointing them to the
correct newsgroup?  Possibly tin could even offer to enter that
newsgroup too.

Chris
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From: ianm@icsbelf.co.uk (Ian Moran)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: CHANGES: Tin v1.1 PL6 -> PL7
Date: 1 Oct 92 08:53:42 GMT
Organization: ICS Computing Group Ltd., Belfast
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Iain Lea (Iain.Lea%anl433.uucp@Germany.EU.net) wrote:
: 
: The reason I am posting this is that I hope tin users  will read this before
: sending me a bug report about a problem that I have already fixed in PL7 :-)

Iain, how about implementing the following.

Selecting threads using the * followed by 'X' will mark all unmarked threads
as read. Would it be possible to do this on a screen by screen basis
ie the way trn handles it (select threads then 'D').

Would it also be possible to reduce the number of keystrokes required
to select a thread, currently to select say thread 17 requires 17, Return
,'*'. Trn achieves the same with a single keystroke.

Regards

 Ian

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From: Iain.Lea%anl433.uucp@Germany.EU.net (Iain Lea)
Subject: Re: Would be a nice TIN feature
Reply-To: Iain.Lea%anl433.uucp@Germany.EU.net
Organization: TIN Support
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 Beta PL7]
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 09:01:11 GMT

Michael Packer (pac@rucs.faculty.cs.runet.edu) wrote:
: 
: ie:  saving messages in alt.sources
: 
: ~pac----News----alt.sources
:          |
:          +------rec.humor.funny
:          |
:          +------alt.sources.patches
: 
: Iain any chance of adding this feature?  

Not a lot of chance as its already there me thinks :-)

1. 's' save command
2. 'a' save article (or any of the other options)
3. '+filename' will expand to ~/News/<Group.name>/file

Iain

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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: TIN 1.1 PL6: SIGSEGV upon entering
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:47:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.191113.25045@wam.umd.edu> elitman@nxstep.com (Eric A. Litman) writes:

>I have seen this problem arise from time to time, and generally the
>culprit is a newsgroup called 'alt.music.enya.puke.puke.pukeSender:'. Note
>the ':' at the end of the group name. Removing this group from the user's
>newsrc (this is a new user, right?) has always remedied the problem.

Thanks, but ever since putting "!alt.music.enya.puke" in our sys file,
we haven't had any problems with alt.music.enya.puke.puke.pukeSender:.
:-)

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From: stemp@halcyon.com (Kevin Stemp)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: printing from tin
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:58:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: nwnexus.1992Oct5.135802.27926
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service +1 206 382 MAIL (382-6245)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Is there an "attached to ansi" printer for TIN?
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From: 12100z@d1.dartmouth.edu (Tom Buskey)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: NNTP readers through a telnet or modem link direct to NNTP server
Date: 28 Sep 92 01:41:48 GMT
Organization: School of Indiscriminate Grappling
Newsreader: MS Windows WinVN

>Trumpet with the NEWSX wrapper and the FTP Software PCTCP slip kernel
>would work just fine. PC/TCP isn't free, though.
>
>Sean D. True
>Rational Systems, Inc.
>seant@ratsys.com -- uunet!rational!seant
 
I need something that would work through a telnet connection.  I can't use SLIP.
I've found WinVN, which runs under Windows 3.0 real mode, but I'd like to
find something that doesn't require Windows.  Can Trumpet work through a
telnet link?
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: sys_sprute@vxdesy.desy.de (Lars Sprute)
Subject: rn and AUTOUNSUBSCRIBE
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:15:47 GMT

Hi,

I just tried to use rn. I want it starting up with NO newsgroup subscribed
so I tried using the AUTOUNSUBSCRIBE environment variable.

I set it to "*" and I got prompts to subscribe to the local de. groups.
I used "*,de.*" for AUTOUNSUBSCRIBE but with no success, the promting for
the de. groups is still there.

Could anyone help me out of this ???

Thanks a lot,

Lars


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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: nikki@trmphrst.demon.co.uk (Nikki Locke)
ReplyTo: nikki@trmphrst.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: MS-DOS newsreader wanted
Distribution: world
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.18 $
Organization: Trumphurst Ltd.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:29:48 +0000


In article <1992Sep28.110518.9065@vax.oxford.ac.uk> daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

> I'm looking for a newsreader program for MS-DOS. Has anybody got any
> suggestions/recommendations? Please email if you have.
> 
Are you just looking for a newsreader, or do you want a transfer agent 
like nntp as well ?

If you just want a reader, try cppnews - ftp from
ftp.demon.co.uk:pub/trumphurst/cppnws??.zip
(?? is the version number).

This works with (e.g.) the KA9Q transfer agent.
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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: bergman@panix.com (Mark Bergman)
Subject: PC News readers
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 23:27:30 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

I'm looking for a newsreader to run on my PC. I'm not
planning on setting up my PC as a usenet node, or even
grabbing all the news via uucp. I'd like to log in to the
UNIX box, [run RN, kill lots of articles, batch the
remaining articles into a file]*, download the file, and
read the news on my PC. I'd need to be able to follow
threads (minimally), and reply (post or mail). Replies
would, of course, be written to a file on the PC, uploaded
to Unixland, and send off.

Any suggestions? Is anyone doing this kind of crazy scheme?

* All the functions described within the brackets [] would
	be done via a script. The whole idea here is to
	minimise connect-time.

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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: ising@fuhainf2.fernuni-hagen.de (Oliver Ising)
Subject: tin pl6 - how to run tind
Organization: FernUniversitaet Hagen
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:06:25 GMT

From fuhainf!fuhainf2!ising Wed Sep 30 14:01:09 1992
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: ising@fuhainf2.fernuni-hagen.de (Oliver Ising)
Subject: tin pl6 - how to run tind
Summary: tind?
Organization: FernUniversitaet Hagen
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1992 12:59:21 GMT

I try to install the tin-daemon on our server and I follow the the instructions
in the file INSTALL.NNTP.
But when recompiling the nntp-server it breaks with the following message:

cd server; make  "LIBS=-ldbm" "CFLAGS=-O"
cc -O  -target sun4 -c  timer.c
"timer.c", line 129: timeoutp undefined
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `timer.o'
Current working directory /usr/local/src/nntp.tin/server
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `make_server'

Because I don't know much about C, I've don'n understand the file timer.c .
Hope, that anybody could help me.

Oliver

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Newsgroups: netcom.general,netcom.software,news.software.readers
From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Subject: Re: Printing From trn?
Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 22:13:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.213425.3041@netcom.com> westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) writes:
>How does one print an article from trn?  Where do you set the print
>string?

| lpr

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From: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias)
Subject: trn v2.2 problem?
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:23:11 GMT


One of our users is having a problem with trn v2.2:

> I am using a macro named ama defind in my .rnmac file. As long as this macro
> is there in my .rnmac file I cannot select any thread in any newsgroup
> which is listed as 'a'. When I remove the file .rnmac I am again able to
> begin selecting threads listed under 'a'. Is this a bug or what? If not is
> there any way I can get around it?

Does anyone have any suggestions for him?  I do use trn, but I don't use
macros so I can't suggest anything.


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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: TIN 1.1 PL6: SIGSEGV upon entering
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:50:32 GMT

One of my users reports that invoking TIN invariably results in a
SIGSEGV being caught.  No one else seems to be having this problem,
and we have not been able to recreate it.  Any suggestions as to what
we should look for?

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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: Iain.Lea%anl433.uucp@Germany.EU.net (Iain Lea)
Subject: TIN 1.1 PL7 porting info & cpp defines required
Reply-To: Iain.Lea%anl433.uucp@Germany.EU.net
Organization: TIN Support
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 Beta PL7]
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:11:15 GMT

I have been sent a couple of patches to make tin v1.1 PL6 compile and
work correctly on SunOS 3.X. Both patches have used a -Dname to enable
/disable certain features within tin so that a compile is possible.
I prefer to use cpp defines in preference to the -Dname format.

I don't have access to a SunOS 3.X system so can someone tell me the
best C preprocessor define to use to uniquely identify a 3.X system?

Thanx

Iain

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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: TIN 1.1 PL6 and newsgroup choosing
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:55:49 GMT

In article <7469@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>, in a different thread,
ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:

>Ooops, I should have said .tin/tinrc file.  That's where TIN keeps track
>of new groups for subscribing.

Apropos of new groups, I have a couple of questions.  This is how tin
behaves at this site, and appears to be the default behavior.  (I have
TIN 1.1 PL6 installed with NNTP_ONLY.)  How do people feel about these
two items?

* A user is permitted to subscribe to a deactivated group (one marked
with "x" or "=" in the active file), being told simply that that group
is empty.  I think he/she should be told that the group is bogus, as
with rn and trn.

* Tin checks only the active file to see if there are new groups to be
subscribed to.  If you use more than one newsreader regularly (I
usually use trn), you might have already been asked about these
groups.  Shouldn't tin check the active file *and* the user's .newsrc?

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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: davison@borland.com (Wayne Davison)
Subject: Re: Problems installing trrn client for NNTP server with XTHREAD
Organization: Borland International
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 18:24:20 GMT

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) wrote:
> Server.h
> (and, it seems, server.h.SH) contains the following three lines:
> 
>    # if defined(XTHREAD) && !defined(OK_BIN)
> 	??????  /* This version of NNTP doesn't have XTHREAD support */
>    # endif

You need to apply the NNTP XTHREAD patch to all your NNTP source, even
on the client machine since it requires a modified client library to
access the new XTHREAD functions.  Once you do that, this code will no
longer fail.  In other words, "This version of NNTP doesn't have XTHREAD
support."
-- 
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From: ameyer@cbnews.cb.att.com (Andreas Meyer)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: Would be a nice TIN feature
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:10:28 GMT
Reply-To: ahm@hoqas2.att.com (Andreas Meyer)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel NJ

In news.software.readers, twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

> find $HOME/News -type f -exec sz {} \; -exec rm {} \;
> 
> to download via Zmodem everything saved in subdirectories under your
> News directory, removing each file after downloading it.

I'm not sure you'd want *everything*. Consider this instead:

find $HOME/News -type f ! -name KILL -exec sz {} \; -exec rm {} \;

Cheers,
Andy
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From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: TIN v1.1 PL6 "new group" problem
Date: 27 Sep 92 22:14:27 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Peter Mckinney (pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu) wrote:
: 
: I'm a new user to tin and have compiled it for my personal use (I'm not a
: system administrator).  I can't seem to get tin to quit asking me if I
: want to subscribe to a new group when I start it up.  The groups it asks
: about are *not* new and I have repeatedly answered "no" to many of the
: groups.  I usually just press 'q' now to quit that mode. The big problem

Is it possible that you don't have write access to your .newsrc file?
That's just a guess.  Maybe something a little more obscure.  The last 
line in .newsrc (Ithink) controls what TIN thinks is the last time you 
checked for new groups, I suppose you could just manually change that.
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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: ggawron@comm.mot.com (Glenn Gawron)
Subject: NNTP Driver for Trumpet needed....
Organization: Motorola CSE
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:43:02 GMT
Keywords: driver

We just upgraded our network to Lanman and the NNTP driver dis_pkt9.dos
seems to lock up now using trumpet (and on boot).  If anyone has any 
recommendations for a different packet driver, and where I can obtain it for 
a 486 IBM and a 3Com 3C507 16 bit card, I would GREATLY appreciate it.

Thanks,
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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: nikki@trmphrst.demon.co.uk (Nikki Locke)
ReplyTo: nikki@trmphrst.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: DOS or OS2 News Reader
Distribution: world
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.18 $
Organization: Trumphurst Ltd.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:31:55 +0000

Do you want just a newsreader, or the transfer agent (e.g. nntp) as well ?

If the former, try cppnews, ftp from :
ftp.demon.co.uk:pub/trumphurst/cppnws??.zip

This works with KA9Q as an agent.

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From: Iain.Lea%anl433.uucp@Germany.EU.net (Iain Lea)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: TIN 1.1 PL6 and newsgroup choosing
Date: 29 Sep 92 06:47:22 GMT
Reply-To: Iain.Lea%anl433.uucp@Germany.EU.net
Organization: TIN Support
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 Beta PL7]

In article <BvAwMz.2M0@unix.amherst.edu> posted on Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:28:09 GMT,
Tim Pierce (twpierce@unix.amherst.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Sep28.085837.220@anl433.uucp> Iain.Lea%anl433.uucp@Germany.EU.net writes:
: 
: >Should groups with a '=' in the active file be read in?
: 
: I think not.  All posts to groups marked with "=" are refiled in other
: newsgroups.  You shouldn't ever have any reason to subscribe to such a
: group.  Allowing a user to select an aliased newsgroup is simply
: misleading.

OK. I will modify the next release to ignore '=' aliased groups.

Thanx

Iain

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From: elitman@nxstep.com (Eric A. Litman)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: TIN 1.1 PL6: SIGSEGV upon entering
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:11:13 GMT
Organization: U. of Maryland, College Park.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Tim Pierce (twpierce@unix.amherst.edu) wrote:
: One of my users reports that invoking TIN invariably results in a
: SIGSEGV being caught.  No one else seems to be having this problem,
: and we have not been able to recreate it.  Any suggestions as to what
: we should look for?

I have seen this problem arise from time to time, and generally the
culprit is a newsgroup called 'alt.music.enya.puke.puke.pukeSender:'. Note
the ':' at the end of the group name. Removing this group from the user's
newsrc (this is a new user, right?) has always remedied the problem.

Let me know if this works for you.
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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: caa@Unify.com (Chris Anderson)
Subject: Re: X-based newsreader that sorts by subject?
Keywords: SORT X11
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 19:49:39 GMT

In article <137481@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, 445362@llnl.gov (Grant Johnson) writes:
> I was recently using Newswatcher on the mac and was really pleased with it sorting
> by subject.  Is there a way to get xrn-6.15 or xvnews to do the same?  Or is 
> there another X-based newsreader that will do it?

Set the following in your .Xdefaults:

	Xrn*sortedSubjects:     true

That will do it.

Chris
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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: TIN 1.1 PL6 and newsgroup choosing
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:22:43 GMT

In article <BvCD7t.B9x@mtholyoke.edu> jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) writes:

>In article <BvAwMz.2M0@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>
>>All posts to groups marked with "=" are refiled in other
>>newsgroups.  You shouldn't ever have any reason to subscribe to such a
>>group.  Allowing a user to select an aliased newsgroup is simply
>>misleading.
>
>Then what are aliases for?  Just to refile accidental postings to the
>aliased group?  I think otherwise... one can argue the merits of having
>such an aliasing mechanism at all, but so long as news transport agents
>support it, I think newsreaders should, too.

If you're saying, as Chris Davies did, that a good newsreader should
inform the reader that the newsgroup has been aliased to a different
one, I think I agree.  However, if I select (for example) alt.mud, I'd
prefer simply to be told that alt.mud has been aliased to
rec.games.mud.misc, rather than being actually subscribed to
rec.games.mud.misc automatically.  I think it is important to make
users conscious of which group they're actually reading and posting
to.

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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: TIN 1.1 PL6 and newsgroup choosing
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:28:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.085837.220@anl433.uucp> Iain.Lea%anl433.uucp@Germany.EU.net writes:

>Tim Pierce (twpierce@unix.amherst.edu) wrote:
>: 
>: * A user is permitted to subscribe to a deactivated group (one marked
>: with "x" or "=" in the active file), being told simply that that group
>: is empty.  I think he/she should be told that the group is bogus, as
>: with rn and trn.
>
>It should not be able to do this as all groups with 'x' are never read
>in to tins active[] array.

That's correct.  My mistake.

>Groups marked with '=' are still read in. 
>Should groups with a '=' in the active file be read in?

I think not.  All posts to groups marked with "=" are refiled in other
newsgroups.  You shouldn't ever have any reason to subscribe to such a
group.  Allowing a user to select an aliased newsgroup is simply
misleading.

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