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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Showdown at the OK Corral - Sarfatti vs D. Wollf
Date: 26 Dec 1992 09:51:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a post here, Jack Sarfatti states his intention to sue D. Wollf
and his employer for certain tasteless and obnoxious remarks. I feel 
this is a bad idea for several reasons. First, one would have to show
damage. This would involve finding anybody who actually took D. Wollf's
smartass remarks seriously. Good luck. Secondly, one of the really valuable
features of usenet is the uncensored nature of the discussion. We have 
only recently experienced the example of a dedicated and courageous poster
of controversial political views being silenced by his work site due to
complaints by others on line. This is a dangerous precedent not to be 
encouraged. Third, there are better ways of handling the substantive
problem. Nobody likes to sit back and collect cheap insults from idiots,
and I'm not going to suggest that Jack should take this sort of thing lying 
down. I think that a lawsuit is overkill, however. First bear in mind 
that this guy has already exposed himself as a fool by the style and
incompetence of his attack. If you're not willing to let that be 
punishment enough, then feel free to rub his nose in his own idiocy
in front of the same audience he displayed it for. That should be 
justice enough. Fourth, including his employer in this proposed suit 
appears especially groundless. It is commonly understood on usenet that
opinions expressed by posters are at best randomly correlated with the
instutions from which they post. Any weakening of this understanding 
would tend to result in a backlash of cvorporate sites feeling a need
to censor the postings of their employees. Fifth, from what I have read
of Jack's posting over on sci.physics.new-theories, I feel that he has 
much of importance to say to us here on alt.conspiracy. Threatening fools
with lawsuits, while perhaps an effective way of working off excess 
adrenalin, detracts from the serious things which need to be said.

-Steve
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
From: jarleb@athena.uio.no (Jarle Brinchmann)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories,sci.physics
Subject: Re: TEXAS ASTROPHYSICS MEETING at UCB
Date: 28 Dec 92 14:54:52 GMT
Reply-To: jarleb@athena.uio.no (Jarle Brinchmann)
Organization: Institute for Theoretical Astrophysics


In article <ofBHJTW00YUoI4vo94@andrew.cmu.edu>, st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven Timm) writes:
|>From: st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven Timm)
|>Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories,sci.physics
|>Subject: Re: TEXAS ASTROPHYSICS MEETING at UCB
|>
|>Mr. Sarfatti suggested that the result was presented at the TEXAS meeting
|>(in Berkeley, CA) that the universe would not expand indefinitely.
|>
|>By this I assume he claims that results were presented that indicate
|>that Omega (density/critical density) is greater than or equal to 1.
|>
|>Perhaps results of this type may have been presented, since I didn't attend
|>all sessions of the meeting.  But they certainly didn't tell Stephen Hawking
|>about such results, because in the public talk he gave on Wednesday night
|>he suggested that the evidence is still inconclusive and omega is not yet
|>well-enough measured.
|>
|>Steve Timm
|>

Well, there are quite a widespread consensus that Omega_baryon<0.1
This is based on primordial nucleosynthesis, and from dynamical 
considerations, you can get an omega_gravitating of maybe 0.2, 0.3 
in some papers they quote omegas up to 1, but an omega larger than 
1 is probably ruled out. I think the best argument is the age problem, 
which says that the universe must be old enough for the oldest stars
to have formed. This will force omega to be 1 or less. If omega is larger
we would have to have a smaller Hubble parameter (H_0) than any observations
indicate.

Quite a few cosmologist these days seem to take some interest in a
non-zero cosmological constant. Because what inflation seems to want
is Omega+lamda=1 (Normalized lamda). This will namely explain large scale
structure observed (in the APM survey) and the COBE measurements. 

This is of course not truly nice, a mixed up model with all sorts of 
free parameters aren't what we want, but in the absence of better 
solutions, one do what one can..... 

So conclusion : Omega is very likely less than 1, maybe less than 0.5

(Sorry for the lack of references, but Kolb and Turner Early Universe
is a good introduction to the theory, as for papers I will leave the 
place open to others....)

				Jarle

Happy New Year to everybody !!


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Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories,sci.physics,alt.psychology.personality
From: marki@netcom.com (Mark N. Iverson)
Subject: Re: A Little Something to Add to the Moderation Discussion
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 08:14:32 GMT

..a very articulate and heart-felt posting by Jon Noring on the need for
  a critical, NON-HOSTILE environment for scientific postings...to which I
say........

DITTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

feeling very Jung today...  :-)

--Mark Iverson (INTP)

If you want to know what INTP is, then email Jon Noring!!!  ;-)

<or get "Type Talk" from your local bookstore...>

-- 
Mark N. Iverson
marki@netcom.com                    /  We dance round in a ring and suppose,
                   (scientists)--> |   but The Secret sits in the middle,
Disclaimer: mine, and only mine.    \  and knows.               -- R. Frost
From: gjm11@cus.cam.ac.uk (G.J. McCaughan)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject: Re: Repost of Truzzi Lecture:  How to Handle Scientific "Unorthodoxy"
Keywords: skeptics CSICOP debunkers orthodoxy anomalies
Date: 2 Jan 93 01:46:25 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

In article <C03Lyz.pF@csn.org> et@teal.csn.org (Eric H. Taylor) writes:

> blah blah blah translation: blah blah wibble translation: blah wibble wibble
> translation: wibble wibble wibble

This is evidently a new use of the word "translation", not to be found in
the ordinary dictionaries.

It should also be pointed out to Mr Taylor that people often put disclaimers
at the end of their posts to make it clear that they are not speaking
officially for the organisations for which they work. This is often not
their own choice, but imposed on them from above. Hence it is not very fair
to suggest that a disclaimer is evidence that its poster doesn't know what
he's talking about.

-- 
Gareth McCaughan     Dept. of Pure Mathematics & Mathematical Statistics,
gjm11@cus.cam.ac.uk  Cambridge University, England.    [Research student]
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories,alt.conspiracy,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal
From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (General Decree)
Subject: Re: The Pagels Phenomenon? Part 1
Summary: Speaking in Tongues 
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: Oye 
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 01:25:00 GMT

In article <1i52rdINNfau@network.ucsd.edu>, spl@ivem.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) writes...
>In article <C0256r.C0B@well.sf.ca.us> sarfatti@well.sf.ca.us (Jack Sarfatti) writes:
>> ... | discord | nroff -ms

>Bomp-ba-dump-dump.

Tuli Kupferberg, "Who Put the Vey (In the Oy Oy Vey Oy Vey) (c) '71...
(tune: Who Put The Bomp (In The Bomp Ba Bomp Ba Bomp))

	I'd like to get the guy who wrote the song
	That made my baby fall in hate with me

	Who put the vey in the oy oy vey oy vey
	Who put the sham in the sham a lam a ding dong?
	Who put the cop in the cop sh cop sh cop
	Who put the shit in the shit shit shit shit da?
	Who was that man?
	I'd like to break his hand
	He made my baby fall in hate with me.
	
	When my baby heard
	Vey oy vey vey vey, vey oy vey vey vey
	Every word went right into her heart
	And when she heard them singing
	Sham a lam a sham a lam ding dong
	She said we'd surely have to part
	
	Who put the vey in the oy oy vey oy vey
	Who put the sham in the sham a lam a ding dong?
	Who put the cop in the cop sh cop sh cop
	Who put the shit in the shit shit shit shit da?
	Who was that man?
	I'd like to break his hand
	He made my baby fall in hate with me.
	
	Time that we're alone
	Vey oy vey vey vey, vey oy vey vey vey
	Sets my babys gall a-glow
	And everytime we dance to
	Sham a lam a sham a lam ding dong
	She always says sh hates me so.


Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.conspiracy
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Showdown at the OK Corral - Sarfatti vs D. Wollf
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 04:21:39 GMT

In article <1hh9ucINN50g@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
:down. I think that a lawsuit is overkill, however. First bear in mind 
:that this guy has already exposed himself as a fool by the style and
:incompetence of his attack. If you're not willing to let that be 

Which one are you referring to?  I only see one crackpot here.

G
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories,sci.skeptic,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,alt.conspiracy
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
From: fis@evil.demon.co.uk (fis)
Subject: debate
X-BBS-Msg-Type: E
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:20:18 +0000



I don't know why everyone is trying to ridicule Sarfatti, there is bound to
be a clash of personalities until something has been proven out-right.

What Jack says isn't something that's totally barmy but logical.

If the Aspect experiments results were correct, this is the biggest mile
stone in human/universal history. Proving that the speed of light can be 
exceeded, proves that communication can be made up and down the time line.
Of course the method isn't as straight forward, but I don't think its even 
beyond our lifespans.

It is only a matter of time before Jack proves or is proven to be correct,
which I think he is. O.k. so Jack is a bit eccentric, but when your dealing
with this sort of thing you have to be able to go a little crazy every so
often.

This whole universe is crazy!

Hopefully the FBI wont shoot everyone before we all get to know.


Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
From: darkshot@rock.concert.net (Michael B Garrett -- Chudys)
Subject: Query:
Organization: Chaos is everywhere- also pixies.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 06:44:57 GMT


FTL drives? Time travel? I believe them not impossible. So why not build
the damned things and see if they work?

If it's a question of money, then how much? If an organization HAD the funds,
who do you hire?

Or am I missing something? (Please don't harp about research costs- I know
all about it- and I still wanna know How Much and Who). 


Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.conspiracy
From: ted@eslvcr.wimsey.bc.ca (Ted Powell)
Subject: Re: Showdown at the OK Corral - Sarfatti vs D. Wollf
Followup-To: talk.bizarre
Summary: What a roada clap! --Benny Hill
Organization: Entropy Limited, Vancouver Canada
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 01:59:39 GMT

In article <BzuF2v.8MD@well.sf.ca.us> sarfatti@well.sf.ca.us (Jack Sarfatti) writes:
>
>Mr. Wolff,
>Be advised that I am checking your credit for assets and it is my intention
>to bring a lawsuit for malicious slander, libel and defamation of character
>against you personally and against your employer Computervision.

[...]

>--MORE--(82%)End of article 1325 (of 1326)--what next? [npq]
>
>Restriction sci.physics still in effect.
>
>******** End of newsgroups--what next? [npq]
>!
>
>OK (type a command or type  opt  for Options): m
[...end of quote from S's article...]

If Sarfatti's court submission displays the same quality of presentation as
this article, and the same degree of coherence as some other recent
postings, then I don't think Wolff has a thing to worry about.
    Not that he would anyway--as anyone who's been here in the kitchen for
a while is well aware...

S: You should go read some of the standing articles re netiquette, and the
futility of your proposed course of action, in the newbie newsgroups. And
even if you aren't willing to take this to email where (if anywhere) it
belongs, please at least remove sci.skeptic from the Newsgroups: line.
Thank you.

-- 
ted@eslvcr.wimsey.bc.ca   {ubc-cs,uunet}!van-bc!eslvcr!ted   (Ted Powell)
Xref: sparky alt.sci.physics.new-theories:2628 alt.paranormal:2708 sci.skeptic:21742 alt.conspiracy:13460
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Showdown at the OK Corral - Sarfatti vs D. Wollf
Date: 28 Dec 1992 07:23:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
 
>In article <1hh9ucINN50g@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu 
>(Steve Crocker) writes:
 
>:down. I think that a lawsuit is overkill, however. First bear in mind 
>:that this guy has already exposed himself as a fool by the style and
>:incompetence of his attack. If you're not willing to let that be 
 
>Which one are you referring to?  I only see one crackpot here.
 
>G
 
I meant the sarcastic smartass who could not resist the impulse to 
ridicule what he was apparently unable to understand.
 
-Steve
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories,sci.electronics,sci.energy,sci.engr,sci.misc,sci.optics,sci.physics.fusion,sci.physics
From: lwall@netlabs.com (Larry Wall)
Subject: Re: Vacuum-Driven Power Exchange in the Free Electron Gas
Organization: NetLabs, Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 01:11:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.174901.7159@netcom.com> raicu@netcom.com (Eugen Raicu) writes:
: I am not very knowledgeable, but I thought the energy of virtual particles
: is an effect of the uncertainty principle and is available only on very
: limited time scales after which it must be given up.

That's backwards, I think.  The uncertainty principle is a description
of the way virtual particles make things look.  The virtual particles
aren't a consequence of the uncertainty principle, except maybe in the
sense that evolution is a consequence of how we classify various living
things.  One generally prefers to state it the other way: that how we
describe things is a consequence of how things came about.

In a very real sense, it would appear that there are *no* real particles,
but *only* virtual particles that, by some clever accounting tricks, add
up to make it look like there's a real particle here, or maybe there.
Even the speed of light is not a real barrier to virtual particles--some
can go faster than that, and some slower, but they all average out
to make it look like the speed of light is what it is.

That's basically a layman's interpretation of how Diagram Dick explained
QED, so the professionals might want to disagree or amplify or obfuscate.

Be that as it may, it is believed by many that, while virtual particles
*generally* annihilate rapidly, there are ways to cheat when you get
near singularities.  If you can get a singularity, such as a black hole,
to embezzle half of a virtual pair of particles, the other half now looks
like a real credit (or is that a debit?), and wanders off looking like a
real particle.

The question before the house is whether there is a way to get the
"vacuum" of the universe to embezzle from itself long enough (or far
enough away) that *you* aren't the person who has to cover the debt.
Presumably the debt has to be paid sometime--in the case of a black
hole, the black hole pays by shrinking.  It's not clear to me who would
pay for a vacuum energy device.  Perhaps the universe as a whole, or
perhaps just nearby masses of energy.  Perhaps all mass evaporates
eventually and we can just help it along a little, for a tidy little
profit, in a piratical sort of way.  Perhaps one can pull and/or push
virtual particles into or out of existence with electromagnetic
singularities just as gravitational singularities are thought to do.
Perhaps one can construct some kind of weird heat pipe between the
Sun's core and the laboratory, using "vacuum" as the transmission
medium.  Perhaps there is really some kind of twisty singularity in
certain crystals of nickel or palladium that can fool the universal
auditor briefly.  Perhaps, if we're elvish enough, we cheat the
universe of its gold by temporarily lending it dry leaves.  Perhaps.

And perhaps not.  We're having fun yet.

Larry Wall
lwall@netlabs.com
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.acoustics
From: xslkkk@oryx.com (kenneth k konvicka)
Subject: Acoustic Fresnel Zone 'Lens'
Organization: Oryx Energy, Dallas, Texas.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 03:42:03 GMT

Photo in The Physics Teacher mag, Dec 92, p.560, has one of these in rt. side
of photo.  Would anyone know how to make one?  It's a 6ft tall plywood-looking
piece with concentric circular sections cut out.
Need one for science class demo.  
Thanks.
From: csteele@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Charles Steele)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.acoustics
Subject: Music and Plants
Date: 26 Dec 92 04:43:01 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

I'm helping a HS student with a project envolving music and plants.Most 
information and data I've found is from the 70's.Does any one know of any 
work that has been done in the last ten years?
And if possible who could I talk to about infrasound?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
Thanks
Chuck Steele
From: ruckman@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Christopher Ruckman)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.acoustics
Subject: Need accuracy info for hydrophone output
Date: 23 Dec 92 13:26:56 GMT
Reply-To: ruckman@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Christopher Ruckman)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Can someone provide a rough, ballpark estimate of how accurate a typical
hydrophone might be?  For example, suppose I want to measure the
pressure radiated by a vibrating structure submerged in water.  The
hydrophones would measure the pressure to within ... what?  Half a
decibel?  2 dB?

Actually what I'm looking for is the standard deviation of a typical
sample of measurements from a typical hydrophone.  I don't need an
extremely accurate number for a specific model, just ballpark figures.

Any help would be appreciated!

Chris Ruckman
ruckman@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.acoustics
From: acampane@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Angelo Campanella)
Subject: Re: Need accuracy info for hydrophone output
Summary:  calibration of hydrophones
Keywords:      hydrophone calibration accuracy
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:07:04 GMT





"Way back when"   I calibrated my hydophone at Black Mohican Cal Station 
in PA, I was happy to get it within 1 dB.  The readings are usually done to 0.1
dB, but the reliability and reapeatability of all setups and instruments is 
such that 1 dB is the pro forma standard.  You can demand anything you want, 
but it will cost you $$$ and time.  Usually, +- 1 dB will not start any 
arguments.

Ang.
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Wednesday, 30 Dec 1992 16:10:25 EST
From: <SUACC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: Obtaining a H-1 visa while Green Card is in process..

My Green card was filed by my parents in Aug. 1990 under P-2B family
category. The waiting period is atleast one year. I will be completing
Ph.D. in computer science in a month. Can I obtain a H-1 visa while the
permanent residence is in the process?? I also ahve one year of practical
training already approved by INS. Does any one know about the P-4 category
- employment - Advanced degree holders? That seems to be current at the
moment.
Please reply to: csavs@csfaculty.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Thank you very much.
- sudhir
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: jsykes@dadd.ti.com (Jonathan Sykes)
Subject: Re: Can one be denied insurance based on cit
Reply-To: jsykes@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:27:45 GMT

You aren't the only one - AMICA turned me down based on citizenship too. If
citizenship doesn't affect anything it's strange that almost every insurance
company I called asked me about it (I'm British BTW). It's difficult to prove
any policy - I found that if an insurance company doesn't want you they often
just quote you a crazy price for a policy ($3K per year was the highest I got
for a compact!). They will often admit this. I guess it's a simple way round
the law.

Interesting that almost every native Texan I've talked to has a *very* low
opinion of insurance companies and their ethics... What a surprise.

---
           __o
           \<,
_________()/ ()_______________________________________________________________
Jon Sykes                                                   jsykes@dadd.ti.com
Design Automation Div.                                          (214) 997-2916
Texas Instruments Inc. Dallas, Tx.        

Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: rek@eng.auburn.edu (Narayana S. Rekapalli)
Subject: Obtaining EAD for someone who is on F-1
Reply-To: rek@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 15:05:46 GMT

Can anyone please tell me how long will it take to obtain EAD in the following locations.  My situation is I got a job offer and I don't have EAD with me right now.  The nearest INS office for me is Atlanta.  But they take 4-6 weeks to process EAD application.  I can't wait that long.  So I want to try in other nearest INS offices.

1. Arlington, VA
2. Baltimore, MD
3. Charleston, SC
4. Charlotte, NC
5. Cincinnati, OH
6. Houston, TX
7. Jacksonville, FL
8. Louisville, KY
9. Memphis, TN
10. New Orleans, LA
11. Orlando, FL
12. Tampa, FL
13. Washington, D.C.

Please reply to the following E-mail address.

	rek@eng.auburn.edu

Thanks in advance,

Narayana Rekaplli
From: shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: Re: AA1
Date: 23 Dec 92 22:31:24 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: boris.wpd.sgi.com
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Matthias Pohl (mtp@oregon.uoregon.edu) wrote:

> Could somebody either post or email me the address, rules and datelines for
> the AA1 lottery game ?
                  ^^^^
                  ^^^^?!

Game??!
From: westbrook-jeffery@cs.yale.edu (Jeffery Westbrook)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: Re: priority date movement?
Date: 23 Dec 1992 12:03:45 -0500
Organization: /homes/theory/westbroo/.organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: hickory.theory.cs.yale.edu


In article <92358.084025PXH@psuvm.psu.edu> <PXH@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

   Does anyone have an idea as to how the holidays affect the rate at
   which the rpiority dates progress for the green card?

Knowing the INS, I'd guess if it makes any difference, it just makes
things slower.

   ANother sort of related question - at what point can one
   decide/change the place where one would like to be interviewed for
   the green card?  How much notice do they need if you want to change
   the venue?  

You decide when you submit the I-485. Your files then get collected at
the chosen location. When the letter containing the interview date
arrives, you are supposed to notify them if you cannot make the
proposed interview time. That is probably the last point at which
you should try to change the location.

-J