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From: fgreco@shearson.com (Frank Greco)
Subject: X/Wans
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:34:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec4.101028.2027@cbfsb.cb.att.com> you write:
>We have been conducting an experiment recently to see how usable an X
>application is over a wide area network (UK - US).

	Not too much luck over "ordinary" T1 lines.

	We tried to run apps in London with $DISPLAY back to NYC, which
	were ungodly slow (ie, unusable for trading applications).  Our
	next attempt (which we didn't complete) should be to test the
	Xremote compression algorithm (I believe the NCD X-terminals
	use this and is proposed to the X Consortium as a standard).

	We eventually punted and put the app at the remote sites.

	I guess ISDN would make X over a WAN more usable though.

>Also, does the X11/NeWS server implement backing store ? and would you expect
>backing store to improve the situation ?

	Yes it would allay the slowdown somewhat; but I really believe its
	an inherent problem in X's design that perhaps R6 might address more
	properly.

	Frank G.
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From: karl@thuja.gsfc.nasa.gov (Karl A. Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: Linking Fortran subroutine with C main program: "Compilation failed"
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:57:30 GMT
Organization: NASA/GSFC Laboratory for Terrestrial Physics

The Sun Fortran User's Guide (p. 159) offers an example of how to call a fortran
subroutine from a C main program.  You compile SimRef.f and SimRefmain.c to
object files separately, then link with "f77 SimRef.o SimRefmain.o".  When we try
this, we get the following error message:

%ls
SimRef.f      SimRefmain.c
%f77 -c SimRef.f
SimRef.f:
        simref:
%cc -c SimRefmain.c
%f77 SimRef.o SimRefmain.o
ld: Undefined symbol
   _MAIN_
Compilation failed

LD_LIBRARY_PATH is set correctly:

%echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
/usr/lang/SC1.0:/usr/lib:/usr/lib/X11:/usr/openwin/lib

Despite the error message, a.out is created, and seems to work.  Anybody have any
ideas why we're getting the error?  TIA.

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From: johnson@akula.llnl.gov (  Robert Johnson          )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: Re: Speed of Openwin 3
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:17:10 GMT

Hi,

I just tryed running Openwin 3 without sunview:

   openwin -nosunview

and received the following error messages:

   can't open /dev/vd: No such device
   loadmodule: /etc/openwin/modules/evqload file does not exist.
   Check your OpenWindows installation.
   xnews: Error: Unable to load evq module.
   xnews: Error: Check your installation.

Is there something special I must do in addition or does this
indicate that OpenWindows was not installed correctly.  I currently
obtain OpenWindows over the net from a server.  I found the file
"evqload" in the directory /usr/openwin/modules.  Without any
arguments, Openwin 3 runs fine.  My machine is an IPX w/ 48Meg.

Any info would be appreciated.
-- 
 _________________________________________________________________________
| Robert K. Johnson               Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory  |
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| Voice: (510) 422-8375           L-156                                   |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: jburne@spock.uucp (John Burnette)
Subject: Re: Dumping OW and running X11R5(Was: Speed of Openwin 3)
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:08:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec8.051850.18525@alf.cooper.edu> hak@alf.cooper.edu (Jeff Hakner) writes:
>
>My question  (possibly the start of a flame war, hopefully not):
>My would anyone want to run OpenWindows.  There must be some reason,
>after all, SUN insists on shipping it instead of "pure" MIT X11.
>However, I've yet to find a good reason why one would want OW.
>(I should qualify that and replace "one" with "the average
>computer-literate user").
>
>What's your opinion?  We'd like to know.
>
Actually from the smug tone of your posting I doubt that 

1) You aren't anxious to start a flame war

or 

2) You have any significant interest in finding out people's opinion on the
question.  Especially since you have insinuated that OW users are somehow
below average or computer-illiterate.

Sorry but I like the product.  I use it all the time.  Perhaps I will "progess"
to a more suitable GUI as I become more enlightened.

Course I don't know why anyone would buy a wordprocessor when one could 
run EMACS on a VT100......

-- 
John Burnette           // The Opinions expressed above are shareware, they //
Choate Rosemary Hall    // are <<not>> freeware. If you like them and use   //
203-949-0914            // them please send $5 for documentation.           //
From: mharriso@digi.lonestar.org (Mark Harrison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: calendar manager for scheduling test time?
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:51:54 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

Has anyone used calendar manager to schedule test time or meeting rooms?
To put the question another way:  How easy is it to set up a
calendar so that everyone can read/write it?

Thanks in advance,
Mark.
-- 
Mark Harrison, mharriso@dsccc.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Solaris 1.x vi pecularity
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:28:55 GMT


For some reason, vi will not start up when my window is 160 
or more characters wide.  Is there some inherent problem with this
size?
-- 
Larry W. Virden                 UUCP: osu-cis!chemabs!lvirden
Same Mbox: BITNET: lvirden@cas  INET: lvirden@cas.org
Personal: 674 Falls Place,   Reynoldsburg, OH 43068-1614
From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: Re: calendar manager for scheduling test time?
Date: 19 Dec 1992 01:59:55 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gandalf.think.com

In article <1992Dec17.155154.24758@digi.lonestar.org> mharriso@digi.lonestar.org (Mark Harrison) writes:
>Has anyone used calendar manager to schedule test time or meeting rooms?
>To put the question another way:  How easy is it to set up a
>calendar so that everyone can read/write it?

It's pretty easy, although not as easy as it could be.  You have to create
a separate account for each resource you want to schedule.  Login to that
account, run calendar manager, and set the permissions for world to Browse,
Insert, and Delete.  Or you might want to give Delete permission only to an
administrator, so that users can't delete each other's entries; however,
note that the "change" operation requires that the user have both Insert
and Delete permission.
-- 
Barry Margolin
System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.

barmar@think.com          {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: OpenLook Libraries
From: gaffur@fluffypci.upmc.edu (ehsan-ul gaffur)
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:24:34 GMT
Reply-To: gaffur@belenos.pci.upmc.edu
Distribution: comp.sys.sun.apps
Organization: Pittsburgh Cancer Institute
Keywords: OpenLook Libraries Compilation Errors

I applied patches, number 100512-03 and 100573-04, in the hope that
we could resume running our old X11-R5 clients.  Not so...  We continue
to receive such displeasing messages as...

ld.so: Undefined symbol: _XmuNewCvtStringToWidget

whenever we try to run X11-R5 clients.  Does anyone out there know of
a patch that will fix this problem?  Thank you in advance!


Ehsan-ul Gaffur
Systems Analyst
Biostatistics Center
Pittsburgh Cancer Institute
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: rthau@qualix.com (Rick Thau)
Subject: Re: ?? Drawing Package for Sun ??
Reply-To: rthau@qualix.com
Organization: QUALiX Group, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:46:50 GMT

>
>You might try CorelDraw.  They've Just ported to Unix.  Don't call
>third party suppliers though - they are universally several hunderd
>more than buying direct.
>
>
>---
>*********************************************************************
>Christopher P. Tully				cptully@med.unc.edu
>Univ. of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
>CB# 7525					(919) 966-2699
>Chapel Hill, NC 27599
>*********************************************************************
>I get paid for my opinions, but that doesn't mean that UNC or anybody
>                     else agrees with them.
>
Chris, 

I wanted to clarify a possible misunderstanding here. Most software companies 
who utilize "third party" channels will sell their products for the list price
so as not to compete with their business partners (possible exception of educational
pricing).  

We at Qualix Group regularly provide products like Corel at attractive prices, 
with excellent service.  I hope we have the opportunity of serving you 
someday.


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	email:	rthau@qualix.com
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		San Mateo, CA 94403
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the mailserver, send an email to qfacts@qualix.com (or,
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: Holland_Thomas@Tandem.Com (Tom Holland)
Subject: ?? Drawing Package for Sun ??
Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.apps
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:05:33 GMT

Hi,

 I am trying to determine wether I should use my Sun (FrameMaker) or 
 my Mac (Word) for writing the documentation for my next project. One 
 factor I am looking at is drawing capabilities. I'm not trying to
denigrate
 either application, but the built in drawing capabilities of both Word and
 FrameMaker are not too impressive (IMHO).  Are there any drawing 
 packages for the Sun which are comperable to MacDraw on the Mac? Thanks.  

Tom Holland

Holland_Thomas@Tandem.Com,     |Soap and education are not as sudden as a 
Tandem Computers, Cupertino Ca.|massacre but are more deadly in the long
run.
                               |    - Mark Twain
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted
From: he@edfd.uucp (Hans-Joachim Heurich)
Subject: plot of sunnet manager database
Organization: EDAG, ENGINEERING + DESGIN AG, Fulda, FRG
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:52:39 GMT

I'm user of the sunnet manager (Rev. 1.0). Our local area network
consists of about 200 stations (pcs, workstations and some mainframes)
in different lan segments which are connected by some routers.

It took a lot of time to build up our network in the sunnet manager
using the snm-editor.

I think it's nonsensical to build up the whole network again in a
CAD-system or something like that only to make plots.

Using snm Rev. 1.0 the only chance to make printouts of the database is
to use the snapshot tool. But the quality is bad and it's not possible
to print out more than one view on the same sheet.

Is there an chance with a newer snm rev. or with openwindows 3.0 to
make plots of the whole network (not only of one view) in a good
quality?

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: earle@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Greg Earle - Gainfully Unemployed)
Subject: Re: Aviator flight simulator [Security hole alert]
Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.apps
Reply-To: isolar!earle@elroy.JPL.NASA.GOV
Organization: Gainfully unemployed
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 10:32:22 GMT

In article <16805@pak.UUCP> kvj@triple-i.com writes:
>A few people here have it. Great game! It isn't as complex as Falcon (PC &
>Mac) but it is too good to be a video game. The graphics are very smooth, but
>you only get full screen in 16 colors (half screen in 256 is a little too
>tight for my liking).

Yes, "Aviator" (TM) is too good to be a video game.  So they made it a
security hole as well.

What do you think of a program that needs to access /dev/nit to do
multicasting (for Dogfight Mode), and instead of running setuid to root to
open() /dev/nit and then doing a setreuid() back to the real user i.d. after
doing so, it chmod's /dev/nit to mode 666 in the installation script?!?

Your "Aviator" players who are happily dogfighting can then later on run
"etherfind" or "tcpdump" or "snoop" and happily intercept passwords at will ...

>Dogfighting in this game is fantastic. When you get into the furball, you
>really don't have time to worry much about anything else but the other guy.
>Playing in teams is the best. We have four people who play and luckily we have
>one pair at one end of the hall and the other pair at the other end. This is
>great because you can talk to your wingman without the other side hearing your
>strategy.

Yeah, and you can talk to your wingman without hearing the System Administrator
cursing at the top of his/her lungs because several people dogfighting tends
to bring the network to its knees.

The GX is a great piece of hardware engineering.  And some parts of "Aviator"
are inspired graphics programming.  However, as a Software Product (TM),
"Aviator" leaves an awful lot to be desired ...

--
	- Greg Earle
	  Itinerant Sun Consultant
	  isolar!earle@elroy.JPL.NASA.GOV
Xref: sparky comp.sys.sun.apps:2767 comp.unix.solaris:417
From: aws@ll.mit.edu (Alan Stone)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Help! multiply defined errors
Keywords: libc acc ANSI-C
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:52:40 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington MA
Originator: aws@ll.mit.edu (Alan Stone)



We are currently converting our code to ANSI-compliance in preparation
for the move to Solaris 2.x. We are running SunOS 4.1.3, and
are using Sun's acc for compilation. Our project makefiles generate both
.sa and .so versions of our libraries for flexibility. However when our
applications are linked using -Bstatic the folowing error is produced:

acc -v -vc -Xt -temp=/usr/tmp -Dsun  -g -Bstatic -target sun4 -v -o acu
	acu.o -lastb -lm
ld: /lib/libc.a(flsbuf.o): _fflush: multiply defined

There are no errors when we link our applications dynamically. Is the
static version of libc not compatible with the static libraries supplied
by Sun with thier unbundled ANSI compiler?

If I run 'ar t' on /usr/lib/libc.a I see flsbuf.o which I assume contains
a definition of _fflush(). I also see that 'ar t' on libansi.a produces
an object called fflush.o. Is this the problem and is there a workaround
or patch available? 

My apologies if this has been beaten to death, but I am not a regular
subscriber. If this is a bona fide problem (and not my screw up), it
seems many folks would have experienced it already.

Please respond to my email address. Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.wanted
From: jburne@spock.uucp (John Burnette)
Subject: P2 memory board
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:07:13 GMT

I recently purchased a memory expansion card for my 4/300 cpu.
Unfortunately Sun assumed that I had an actual 4/330 chassis to 
put it in - i.e. a Sun 5-slot Enclosure cabinet. (It requires a 
P2 or P3 slot.)

Oops, my 4/300 board is in a 4/110 chassis and this board does me 
zip.squat worth of good.

Now the board is populated with 16 1 meg simms, and I have only $500 
invested in it right now.  Before I sacrifice the board and sell the
simms to the PC world, I thought I'd check to see if there was anyone
in the Sun community who could use the board.

Any takers?
-- 
John Burnette           // The Opinions expressed above are shareware, they //
Choate Rosemary Hall    // are <<not>> freeware. If you like them and use   //
203-949-0914            // them please send $5 for documentation.           //

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.wanted
From: don@eecs.umich.edu (Don Winsor)
Subject: Re: Compressed SLIP for SunOS 4.1.[23] ?
Organization: U. of Michigan EECS Dept.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 14:30:10 GMT

> Anyone know where I can get a CSLIP implementation for SunOS 4.1.[23] ?
> I've seen things like cslipbeta which works with the toronto code, but
> that worked with the old 4.0.3c version.  I can't seem to find CSLIP code
> for any of the streams versions.

cslip-2.6.tar.Z seems to work fine, although we
have only one machine running it at the moment.
This version is available for FTP on "ftp.ee.lbl.gov".

I was able to get it built and installed on Sun OS 4.1.3
in a couple of hours without any major problems.

-- Don Winsor
-- don@eecs.umich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.sun.apps
From: benny@csoc.COM (Benny Clark)
Subject: Fax software for Sun with front end for PCs
Organization: CAD Systems of Carolina
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:00:58 GMT

I need a fax software package that will run on a Sun workstation
as well as having a fromt end for MS windows 3.1.  I currently
have a Sun with a fax modem attached.  I am using Bristol's
Isofax software on the Sun and it works fine.  I need however
to be able to access the faxes (view, and compose) from the
PCs.  They are all running PC/NFS 4.0.  

Does anyone know of such a package?

Any help is appreciated.  Please email.

Thanks,

-- 
   _/             Benny Clark                  Phone : 919-859-4004
      ___/  ___/ Strategic Technologies        Fax   : 919-859-0657
  /  /     _/   5625 Dillard Dr. Suite 105     Email : ice@csoc.COM
_/ ____/ ____/ Raleigh, NC  27511                    : ...!uunet!csoc!ice
From: jbauman@btr.btr.com (James M. Bauman  jbauman@btr.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.wanted
Subject: What's an IPC worth these days?
Date: 13 Dec 92 05:22:06 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. For info contact: info@BTR.COM


I`m thinking about selling my monochrome (17") Sparc IPC with 
12 MB RAM, 207 MB disk, SunOS 4.1.2, FrameMaker 3.1x, Lotus 123,
CommonLink (swap files among Mac, Sun, DOS), DOS Windows,
and an Everex 24E external modem.  I'm not up on the latest  
prices....but I believe $4K is in the ballpark. It's NOT for 
sale *yet* until I determine a fair price (to see if I'll have
the $$$$ for my next purchase), so any help from
all of you price-watchers would be appreciated.  Thanks,
 
Jim Bauman 
jbauman@btr.com 

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.sun.misc
From: kleinren@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Rainer Kleinrensing)
Subject: disabling .rhosts files
Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Deutschland
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 17:51:40 GMT

Hello there,
we are running a SPARCstation 10 Model 20 with SUNOS 4.1.3
I am looking for a way to disable the use of users' .rhosts files
that reside on an NFS mounted partition in order to increase system
security for that particular machine. Any idea how to do that ?
Thanks a lot,


-- 

   Rainer Kleinrensing,    rainer@indigo.mathematik.uni-freiburg.de
   Institute for Applied Mathematics
   Freiburg University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.text.frame,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.wizards,comp.windows.open-look,comp.windows.x
From: dwight@hyphen.com (Dwight Ernest)
Subject: Re: Special Promotion - SPARCclassics for HOME
Organization: Hyphen, Inc., Wilmington, MA 01887 USA / +1 508 988-0880
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:55:17 GMT

feinmann@cs.mcgill.ca (Richard JHANG) writes:

>One typo.... it is a kind of CLIENT.... not a server... oops

Um, workstations can be clients or servers, or both. 
-- 
--Dwight A. Ernest   R&D Manager (USA)     I speak only for myself.
  Hyphen, Inc./181 Ballardvale St./Wilmington, MA 01887/+1 508 988 0880 x125
  dwight@hyphen.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.wanted,misc.forsale.computers.workstation
From: cornhead@netcom.com (Jeff Miller)
Subject: Sun OpenWindows Programmer kits, $100
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:07:08 GMT


I have some materials of interest to OpenWindows programmers. Most is oriented 
toward version 2.0, not sure how applicable it is to 3.0 or 3.1 but of course 
the fundamentals apply.


Supplied in three boxes as follows:

GDE 1.1

 OpenWindows Developer's Guide version 1.1. A tape of software which runs 
 on any Sun running OpenWindows and a manual to go with it. 

OWN V2 PROG MNLS

 ~20 lbs of docs:

 XView V2 Ref. Mnl: Converting SunView Apps
 X11/NeWS V2 Server Guide
 dbxtool for OW V2
 OLIT Widget Set Prog'rs and Ref. Mnls.
 Xt Intrinsics Prog'rs and Ref. Mnls.
 NeWS 2.1 Prog'rs Guide

OWN V2 SUPP MNLS

 8 commercially published, softcover books:

 Vols. 0,1,2, and 7 of the O'Reilly X Window series 
 PostScript Reference Manual, and PostScript Tutorial and Cookbook by Adobe
 OpenLook GUI App. Style Guidelines,and Functional Spec. by Sun Micro

I am asking $100 plus shipping for each set of all three boxes!

Sun asks $749 for GDE 3.0, or $476 for an upgrade from 1.1 to 3.0. They ask 
$495 for what appears to be the OW V3 equivalent of the the PROG MNLS and 
SUPP MNLS.

E-mail me if you're interested. Thanks.

-cornhead
From: joe@oilean.islandsw.com (Joe McGuckin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.wanted
Subject: SS1 or SS2 enclosure & power supply wanted
Date: 17 Dec 92 06:42:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Island Software

Pleae respond to:

-- 

Joe McGuckin             joe@islandsw.com
Island Software    	 oilean!joe@sgi.com
(415) 969-5453
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers.workstations,comp.sys.sun.wanted,misc.forsale.computers
From: mikec@wam.umd.edu (Michael D. Callaghan)
Subject: Sun 3/50 8MB w/tape drive and dead HD For Sale
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:05:52 GMT

I recently posted a diskless Sun 3/50 w/19" Mono monitor for $800.
I've been told that that was too high. 

Here is what the system is now: It is an 8MB (not 4MB) Sun 3/50
with a 19" Mono display, a Sun 3 keyboard and mouse, and a shoebox
(not Sun) with a not-quite-working hard drive (160MB) and a tape drive (60MB).

I'm asking for offers on this system. You can buy a Sun shoebox with 
just a hard drive, or put an ESDI drive in this shoebox for reasonable
cost, and have a decent UNIX workstation on your desk. 

Please indicate shipping and terms in your offer.


Thanks,
MikeC
-- 
Michael D. Callaghan
Temporarily in New Hampshire
603-880-0266
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.wanted,misc.forsale.computers,misc.forsale.computers.workstation,ba.market.computers