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From: mousktr@carson.u.washington.edu (Denise "ABU" Lockner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: calm down.....
Date: 21 Jan 1993 05:55:18 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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In article <o35oXB4w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> phase@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Phase) writes:
>
> Why are you rec.arts.Disney people so fanatical and sensitive to
>                      ^^^^^ (hope the capital make you happy)
> to any criticism of Disney films?
>   First off, I love Disney. From the first time I went there when I was 
>6 or 7, to watching Fantasia of Pinochio, Disney is a marevlous, quality 
>filmaker and entertainer. Even thought they have made the finest
>animated films ever made (and maybe that will ever be made), they have 
>released thier some sub-standard products (namely Aladdin!!!!!), why 
>cannot anyone on this net say anything but:
>   "I love, owrship and support ANTHING done by Disney!!!!!"
>whithout being subjected to threats via e-mail, and personal attacks?
>
>   Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Wlat Disney, his company, the films, and 
>all that they stand for. But his films have thier flaws, and I think they 
>taht people with a valid opinion about them should be listened to.
>
> The treats and personal attacks I have recieved via e-mail is 
>ridiclious. Why can't I think that Aladdin is substandard and medicore, 
>and Disney is losing it's magic and initative due to SHAMELESS 
>commercilization of anything they create nowadays?
>
>   Love Disney, but hate to see the path it's taking,
>                      phase@cybernet.cse.fau.edu

Yo Phase!

We'll lighten up when you get a spellchecker.

SHEEESH.  

-Denise
********
"If you can't say something nice..don't say nothin' at all." -THUMPER
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From: atzachar@unix.amherst.edu (Aladdin)
Subject: Re: Disney Studios Tour?
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:43:32 GMT

Sean Alan Squier (ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:
> >
> >But I work at the BETTER park.  HEE HEE HEE
> >
> >-Denise
>
> Ah, Denise...You say BETTER, but we have THREE parks down here, AND a
> public Animation Tour!!  Now just exactly which park is Disneyland
> better than..Magic Kingdom?  Hmm..MK is bigger.  EPCOT?  Disneyland
> could fit in EPCOT's parking lot with room for 500 cars to spare.
> Disney/MGM Studios?  We may be the newest, but we are definitely the
> most fun.  Do you guys have Muppet-Vision 3-D? (no, Sean =-( )  Do you
> have the Indiana Jones Stunt Spectacular? (no, Sean =-( =-( )  Do you
> have..(ahem)..The Great Movie Ride!!?? (umm, no, Sean..but we have the
> Matterhorn and a smaller castle !!  =-)  er...=-(  )  
> 
> All of our Mountains are BIGGER..(Space, Splash, Big Thunder)...we
> have 14.2 miles of monorail beamway...but that is beside the point.
> Sure you guys are the origianl and size doesn't mean everything.  But
> I see it like this.
> 
> Walt built Disneyland and made some mistakes.  His legacy built
> DisneyWORLD and they got it right!!! 
> 
> so pbbbbllllt! 

Well, at least we don't have to worry about tropical disease-carrying
mosquitos in Anaheim...  Not to mention Orlando humidity! :(
--
	** Ala"ddi"n **

	"There will be riches and magical places
	 A private oasis out there in the sands..."
From: vexar@watserv.ucr.edu (Joe C Solinsky)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Review of Disney Animation Studio SW
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:54:14 GMT

In article <1jigefINN2r3@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> edison@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Thomas  
Matthew Callen) writes:
>>Another drawback in this program is it's use of memory.  This program will
>only utilize memory found in expanded memory.  Which doesn't help people like
>me who have 2 meg of memory on the motherboard set-up as extended memory.
>Therefore I am stuck with about 400K (after DOS and whatever) to use for this
>memory hog of a program.

You have to be kidding!  It runs on a 512K unaccelerated A500 superbly.  You  
must be referring to one of the hack ports for the other platforms.
-Joe Solinsky
From: boisvert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Brian Richard Boisvert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: question on Cinderella Japanese import discs
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:09:49 GMT
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Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <C1JA8I.6L8@news2.cis.umn.edu> amberle@staff.tc.umn.edu (Amberle S Ferrian) writes:
>Hi, I've been told that there are two versions of the Japanese Cinderella LDs--
>a $50-70 disc, and a $100+ deluxe version in a huge box, and was wondering if
>anyone knows exactly what's in the deluxe version.  My brother (who doesn't
>have internet access) is interested in the deluxe version (assuming it exists
>and we're not both confusing this over something else) but doesn't want to
>plunk down all that cash unless he can figure out what he'd be paying for,
>since he can't read the outside of the box. :-)  Thanks much!

	I know that the $50-$70 disc is CLV, so I will take a stab in the 
dark and say that the $100 one is CAV, which gives you all the various pause
and slow motion effects.



-- 
Brian R. Boisvert                        What's behind the words - images
Worcester Polytechnic Institute          they know will please us?
boisvert@wpi.wpi.edu                     I'll take what's real.
                                         Bring up the lights.   - Queensryche
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:37:13 EST
From: <AMM1@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: trip to wdw
Distribution: usa
 <C14uyr.8Kv@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>

  I just today booked my family trip to WDW over spring break 3/8 to 3/15.
The Lady I spoke to at the reservations desk at WDW recommended we stay
at the new Dixie Landings Resort stating that it is the newest of the
hotels at WDW and one of the nicest for children. If anybody out there
has any information and/or tips about Dixie Landings I sure would like
to hear about them.
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From: tmcbraye@thor.ece.uc.edu (Tim McBrayer)
Subject: Re: Shuttle launch
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:15:16 GMT

In article <15985@suns7.crosfield.co.uk>, gds@crosfield.co.uk (gary stamp) writes:
|> Here's an unusual question:-
|> 
|> If I choose to spend that day some where in Disney,
|> 	-will I be able to see the orbiter following take-off ?
|> 	-where would be the best place to catch a view ?
|> 	-in which direction (i.e is the sun in my eyes) ?
|> 	-any other tips ?

Well, my guess is that you _might_ be able to see it.  My parents live on the
far eastern edge of the Orlando area, about 35 miles from the Cape.  They can
see shuttle launches from there, but only as a pinpoint of light and a smoke
trail.  WDW is another, say, 35 miles west of their house, which I would think
would be too far to see anything significant; just a tiny light, if the
sky is completely clear.  Cape Kennedy is essentially due east of WDW, so
if the launch is in the morning, the sun might be a problem.

Hope this helps,
-- 
Tim McBrayer                                tmcbraye@thor.ece.uc.edu
Computer Architecture Design Laboratory     (513) 556-0904
University of Cincinnati
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From: kimp@rpi.edu (Phil Kim)
Subject: Re: my aladdin review....
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:31:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.220522.26836@cs.ucla.edu> reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:
>In article <30407@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>>
>>It is not a horrible film by any means - just not as good in
>>my opinion as many of the reviews I've seen -  I had to agree with our local
>>reviewer who said something like "not as good as Disney fanatics will have
>>you believe, but a quality animated film none the less". 
>
>The majority vote is against you and your kids, for what that's worth.
>"Aladdin" just went up to $147 million gross, outdoing the previous best
>figure for an animated film in first release.  ("Beauty and the Beast",
>at $144 million, I believe.)  "Aladdin" made $7 million last weekend alone,
>making it the top grossing film of the week.  It could very easily end
>up grossing in excess of $200 million in the U.S. and Canada alone.  That's 
>bad news for those who didn't like it, as Disney will regard it as a crystal-
>clear signal that they did something right, and would be well advised to do it
>again.

Contrary to your context, blockbuster films are not neccesarily 
great.  Top Gun, Beverly Hills Cop II, and Police Academy are good 
examples.  Aladdin is certainly a better film, it is often unfocused 
and commercialized.  I thought it was a good film, but was below my 
expectation.
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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: are mermaids fish... the long awaited ANSWER!!!!!
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:17:40 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1993Jan25.023721.9335@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal) writes:
>In <1jse6uINN9tl@bigboote.WPI.EDU> drwho@edwards.WPI.EDU (Eric Ant Von Laudermann) writes:
>
>>Maybe mermaids are both fish *and* mammal.  After all, platypuses
>>exist. (platypi?)
>Um,  WHAT?  Are you saying that platypuses are half mammal, half fish?
>Have you *seen* a platypus lately?  (The old monotreme discussion has
>already gone around this group once.)
>
>>a. Merfolk are half *dolphin*, thus being all-mammal, with a
>>horizontal tail, but no scales.
>
>problem 1: They do have scales.  Look closely as Sebastian prances about
>on Ariel's tail in "Under the Sea".
>problem 2: Dolphins aren't green, pink, red, yellow, blue, . . . .
>
>>b. What's all this "half-human" crap?  A mermaid is all-mermaid.  It's
>>not like someone chopped up two creatures and stuck them together.  A
>>mermaid belongs to, er, whatever class or phyllum fish belong to,
>>but their upper halves are *shaped* like a human.  Merfolk have
>>vertical tails, but no breasts.  (Hey!  You can't say that here, this
>>is a family newsgroup!)
>
>problem 1: Merfolk have horizontal tails.
>problem 2: Merfolk have warm blood.  (Someone gave a reason for this,
>out of the TLM series I think.)
>problem 3: Merfolk don't have gills.
>problem 4: Yes, you *can* say breasts.  Breasts breasts breasts breasts.

problem 4:  Since they do have breasts (otherwise, what are those ladies
hiding?), we can assume they are for providing milk for the young (what
else are breasts for?  Remember, this is a family group).  Since we've not
seen a mermaid give birth (or even pregnant), this is the strongest arguement
for them being mammals.


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From: riouxp@rs6325.ecs.rpi.edu (Peter Joseph Rioux)
Subject: Re: are mermaids fish... the long awaited ANSWER!!!!!
Reply-To: riouxp@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:11:24 GMT

   Don't forget that the following also came from the SAME episode (I
think just after this scene) :
	"THE EVIL MANTA" episode states that mermaids are half fish,
	and half ... something (the character who was speaking didn't
	know).

yeah.. and also look at who the evil manta is.. he wouldn't know a mermaid if it hit him in the face... just think marina could come by, and he would say....
hmmm.... another body for the pot....hehehe... where is that kingdom......
get real.. he's worse than hedwig, and you know as well as i do, hedwig lies
ALL the time.... am i not correct????

thankyou for your support...
SQUID
(who knows, cuz he's under there....:)
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From: quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal)
Subject: Re: The Woman Behind Ariel (Jodi Benson)
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:32:29 GMT

In <1ji0rgINNsd1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G. Brashear) writes:

>Here in Cleveland, we have a community newspaper (not the main city one)
>that has a TV guide which, this past week, offered a cover story all about
>Jodi Benson.  (Are you jealous, Squid and Tim? :-))  Anyway, it mentioned

Are Mermaids fish?  I mean mammals.  Um, well . . Are Mermaids mermaids
then?  :)

>how she's still in Crazy for You on Broadway and how she's always flying 
>from NY to Orlando to record the voice for TLM.  She says she likes the work
>because she gets to do fun animated stuff in the day and sing on Broadway
>at night.  She's aspired to a singing career since she was about 8, but didn't
>take lessons until high school.  She is married (go ahead, Tim, insert the 
>"sigh") but has no children yet.  She's "barely hanging on to her 20s" but

Well, mine was the sniff actually.  It's Richard who sighs, don't you
now?

>says she's just about ready to begin growing up, or something like that.  
>She really likes doing the series with Ariel being younger than in the movie,
>cause she gets to play around with the voice.  That's basically all the 
>info in the article, but it also had a picture of Jodi, which I would scan
>for you if (1) I knew how, and (2) I had a scanner.  Sorry.  She looks sorta
>like Ariel but her hair is curly.  She does say she's got the same feistiness
>and fire that Ariel has.  Anyway, that's the article.  I'd put it all down
>here but I don't have the TV guide anymore (it's at home, I'm at college).

Worry not; I have some pics of not only Jodi but some others too.  Yes,
I know you want them.  Mailing me to say you want them won't hurry it
up, so I'll post when I have put them in a nice spot.

Tim.
From: mousktr@carson.u.washington.edu (Denise "ABU" Lockner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Disney Studios Tour?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 23:02:48 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

In article <1993Jan25.130220.3990@kodak.kodak.com> huber@sunshine.Kodak.COM (Ron Huber) writes:
>Does anyone know if the Disney Studios give tours? If not, does anyone have
>a phone number for the Disney Studios?
>
> --
> -- Ron Huber                | Eastman Kodak Research Laboratories
>
The Disney Studios are closed to anyone who doesn't have a Disney I.D..
I'm not sure why, as I know many people would love to see the inside
(not to mention that beautiful "7 Dwarfs" structure on the reflection
pool by Michael Graves).  However, my guess is that Disney wants to keep
its TV and movie lots, etc., and its animation department secretive.

-Denise (WHO HAS A DISNEY I.D.!!  SEEN IT! DONE IT!!)
********
"If you can't say something nice...don't say nothin' at all." -THUMPER

...and who might be persuaded to share her exploits at the Studio...
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From: jle37069@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nevoieur the Hunted)
Subject: Re: When will Aladdin hit the UK?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:46:48 GMT

agarde@nyx.cs.du.edu (Snark) writes:

>Does anyone have any news on when Aladdin is scheduled for release
>in the UK?  I was lucky enough to see it twice over Xmas (and 
>get the soundtrack), but I am dying to see it again... 

>On a related note, I know there was some discussion a while back
>as to how the humour would date/transfer out of America. Well,
>I recognised very few of Robin Williams impersonations, but I
>could tell the type of character they implied (game show host,
>chat show host, etc), and I still thought it was very funny.
>(I didn't recognise Arsenio (sp?) until the second time... by
>which time I had actually seen him on TV), so I think this
>film will stay around for sometime to come...

>A question to any Disney Castmembers who work at the parks.
>How much does Disney pay basic starting castmembers on the
>rides, etc. I just ask because I visited Six Flags Over Texas
>at Xmas, and the staff were very discontent. I wondered if it
>had anything to do with the wage, which started at $4.25 an hr.
>The cast at Disneyland were in a different league as to how they
>treat the guests.

I earned 5.35/hr (US dollars).  Union. Etc.  Tip positions earned less but made good tips (usually).
As for treatment of guests, well, we are kinda indoctrinated, especially
when in a position of guest contact.  We go through 3 days of orientation (called something else, but my long term memory is shot) and learn a great deal about Disney philosophy.  Not all Cast Members are content, but then there are over 30,000 cast members in WDW so......
If nothing else, there are clear avenues for grievances and related matters so
if there was a problem if COULD be resolved.  Disney was a great company to work for, and I do hope to work for them in the future.  However, it takes a certain
kind of person to work for them.  Ya just gotta have the right attitude or the
Pixie Dust wears off.  

>--
>One of the few people in England to have seen Aladdin  ;-)
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From: inkblot@leland.Stanford.EDU (Thomas Calvin Cannon)
Subject: Re: What's with the HOSTILITY? (My first flame-war!)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 02:57:52 GMT

In article <9oa1XB3w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> phase@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Phase) writes:
>johnc@porsche.cs.rpi.edu (John Colasante) writes:
>

[ ranting about the commercialization of Disney deleted ]


> Every inch and facet of Aladdin reaks of the shameless commercialism it was
>concieved under. The music, the marketing, the film, it is a MTV era, teen
                  ^^^^^^^^^
>spirit
>shoddy attempt at making money. The whole film was desigend to be an ad.
> Aladdin, unfortunately, comes across to me as a 2 hour commerical!
>It has affected the quality of the film immensely. Nuff said.
>                          

Then you would be curious to know that nearly half the Aladdin score was
composed _before_ production of BatB even started.  Was Beauty and the
Beast a victim of commercialism too?  I really think that you could be 
over-reacting here.  I think that the folks at Disney just tried something
a little different this time.  Aladdin's a comedy; it's meant to be fun.

>               
>                       phase@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
---
T. Cannon
inkblot@leland.stanford.edu
From: ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: How about ANIMATED Disney Movies
Date: 24 Jan 1993 19:49:04 GMT
Organization: Turkey Hall
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

>>Will they EVER release the Balck Cauldron on video?  I've only ever seen
>>it once, and would kill to see it again.
>
>No.  From what I have heard it will probably never be released.  For
>different reasons, Song of the South will never be rereleased as well.

I understand the reasons behind "Song of the South" (though believe them to
be thoroughly unjustified), but what possible reasons could there be for
not re-releasing "The Black Cauldron" ?
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* ss1@kepler.unh.edu *   "But that no man is justified by the law in the
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*****  Cheers!!  *****    live by faith."  --  Galatians 3:11
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: SERIOUS gripes re-EURODISNEY - please read
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:12:01 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <93021.143247SYSADMIN@ESTEC.BITNET>, SYSADMIN@ESTEC.BITNET writes:
>  This is Disney's last chance to be "reasonable". If they do not respond to
>the E-mail posting, the FULL text of my complaint will be posted and ALL points
> will be on public display via this medium.

Screw Disney - whether or not they respond you should post your problems
here anyway. Many people who read this group do not worship Disney as 
some sort of institution whose top concern is the masses - of course many
do but that's another story... anyway, I'd like to know what
problems you ran into for no other reason than to decide if it is worth
risking a trip at some point in the future. If your problems are serious
ones, then I suspect many of us could benefit from hearing them...


			gln



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From: riouxp@rs6325.ecs.rpi.edu (Peter Joseph Rioux)
Subject: Re: The Little Mermaid Series Question
Reply-To: riouxp@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:44:01 GMT

well, there are a few really corny characters... lobster mobster...etc...
but i have only seen one with any significant roll, and i think that that ep.
(correct me if i am wrong neil...) was beached.. where alana? was grounded
with ariel... and they kept the castle safe from gators......


SQUID
(hoping i got them right... but knowing i will be corrected.....>:)
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From: atzachar@unix.amherst.edu (Aladdin)
Subject: Re: UPCOMING ANIMATED FEATURES
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:08:13 GMT

Robert Cook (rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu) wrote:
> 
> It was supposedly renamed The Lion King (although that is probably
> tentative, too).  Disney definitely thinks that it will not be
> finished by late 1993--in fact, they're planning to release it in
> the spring or summer of 1994.  It LOOKS LIKE it is going to be kind of
> like Bambi, but it's vague at the moment.  The songs will be by Tim
> Rice and Elton John.  It has been rumored that Linda Woolverton and
> George Scribner are no longer on the production team for The Lion
> King.  That can't be confirmed at present.

Oh gee... why not? :(
> 
> It is not certain whether the delays in The Lion King production will
> push back the other features.

Nah!

> Anyway, Steven Schwartz and Alan Menken are supposedly working on the
> soundtrack [for Pocahontas].

Most definitely working...

> I've read that it will be about a whale's "coming of age."  That
> sounds a lot like The Lion King.  But it's really too early to tell.
> Ahrens and Flaherty (Once on this Island) are reportedly working on
> the soundtrack.

Let's add up how many of Disney's animated pics have been coming of
age stories..... It works and they end up being very different movies.
Don't worry.  And the songs have been worked on.......
> 
>  Just attempting to keep things straight.

Not an easy task...
--
	** Ala"ddi"n **

	"There will be riches and magical places
	 A private oasis out there in the sands..."

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From: jlg@fir27.cray.com (Jan Gustafson)
Subject: Re: beauty's song
Originator: jlg@fir27
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 21 Jan 93 12:26:39 CST


In article <1993Jan21.162105.630@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st923288@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
> In the song "Belle" in BatB, so sings: "here's where she meets Prince Charming/but she won't discover that it's him 'til chapter three".
> It sounds like the "prince in disguise" idea is BatB, but she doesn't really
> discover that Beast is a prince until later in the story than what you could
> consider chapter three. In fact, she doesn't even meet beast until what could be considered after chapter three. What other fairy tale could she be talking 
> about? Any ideas?
> Also, why doesn't Beast have a real name. After all, when his parents named 
> him, I highly doubt "Beast" was a popular choice.
> Love y'all,
> Erika Lindsay

It could be "Sleeping Beauty".  She didn't know that she had met and fallen
in love with a prince until later on.
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