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From: howard@sinoda.ultra.COM (Howard Simonson)
Subject: Re: Look, Ma , one hand!
Reply-To: howard@ultra.com
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 03:28:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.160748.14090@news.iastate.edu>, whisnant@iastate.edu (Kerry L Whisnant) writes:
|> 
|> The last time I was in Vegas (it was also the first time) I sometimes
|> picked up the cards with both hands. Apparently that's a no-no (before
|> I had played only where the player's cards were face up and only
|> touched by the dealer, so I didn't know any better). The dealer
|> chastised me and explained the rule, but I was rather intent on
|> counting and forgot about it, did it again (and again), so she
|> threatened to cut off my offending second hand with that slab of
|> lucite they use to poke the money into the box below the table. I
|> finally got used to it, but it was a running joke the whole time I was
|> at the table.

I seem to have this problem at craps, but only in AC.  The first time I went
down to AC (a little over a year ago), I got several "one hand on the dice"
lines yelled down my way by the dealers.  It was typically when I was trying
deal with the dice and get my bets down, and being a right'y, I'd just
normally shift them over to my left.  I thought it was funny that I'd never
been chastised for it in Tahoe or Reno.  (Of course they are a pretty rude
bunch down in AC, and perhaps they just look for a chance to give you grief).

Damn if the same thing didn't happen once or twice last June when we were
down there again.  (Only once or twice cause I was trying hard not to :)
But again, only in AC.  Between that, and the irate dealer yelling at me to
"Stay out of the box" (I guess my right hand was straying too close to his
layout when I'd shoot the dice from my favorite position (end of the rail).

Say, that brings up some interesting conversation topics:

1.  What's your favorite position, err, I mean spot, when playing craps
    and why?

2.  What are some great tactics to irritate the "help" when they're being
    total jerks?  (admittedly, it won't last long :)

3.  BJ'ers have PRESTO!, what should us craps players adopt to identify
    other rec.gamblers at the table?
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From: yung@r-node.gts.org (Amos Yung)
Subject: Re: Lotto 6/49 Analysis - Ontario
Organization: Public Access UNIX Information System
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:47:04 GMT

In article <Bs239F.7v1@ecf.toronto.edu> ricegm@ecf.toronto.edu (George Matthew Rice) writes:
>>pmfusari@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Fusari) writes:
>>
>>>For anyone out there who is interested in spotting trends in the winning Lotto 
>>>6/49 numbers, I have just completed a study on 10 years of 6/49 draws. 
>>...
>>>interested.  In order to cover the cost of the copies and binding, I am
>>>charging a fee of $7.95 per copy.  Satisfaction is guaranteed.  If you  
>>>would like a copy, send cheque or m/o to P. Fusari, P.O.Box 26094
>>>King Value Station, Kitchener, ON N2G 4V8.
>
>Could you do us one favour Paul,
>
>If anyone actually sends you the money Could you send us their address :-)
>

Oh, cut it out guys. It takes a lot of effort to compile the data and he
has every right to charge people for it. Besides, lottary has always been
a legitimate study of statistics and probability. U of T did a research
on that when Lottario was first set up. So go poke fun at them.
 

>Matthew
>


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From: gordon@aerospace.aero.org (Kenneth Gordon)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Preferential Slots
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:21:25 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b2

I just spent last weekend in Las Vegas...

At one BJ table in Circus Circus, the slot behind me hit 7-7-7 for
maximum payout.  The dealer commented that the machine had been hitting
that combination all morning long.  Thinking of the debate we had here a
few months ago, I asked her if the slots hit the big payoff more often
with only one coin played than when 3 coins are played.  She answered
that they used to be set up that way, but then the Nevada Casino
Commission discovered what was happening and made it illegal.  Supposedly
that no longer takes place.

I have also discovered a new Blackjack play enhancement device.  Using
this device is guaranteed to help you read the cards more quickly.  It is
also guaranteed to help you play longer, feeling more refreshed, and less
fatigued.  This device is not yet illegal in casinos, although I would
not be surprised if they try to discourage its use...
This device?  A Bottle of Visine.  I picked some up in a drugstore on my
way there, and what a difference it made!

Note:  The Sahara had single deck, but with N. Nevada rules.

- Ken Gordon
  gordon@aerospace.aero.org
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From: jj@slc.mentorg.com (Jeff Jennings)
Subject: Re: BJ strategy diff. (need help on  h,dd,s)
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:43:06
	<JACOBS.92Jul18101647@cells.cs.utah.edu> <182725@pyramid.pyramid.com>
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corp.

>>>>> On 21 Jul 92 16:05:23 GMT, breid@pyrhard2.eng.pyramid.com (Bill Reid) said:

Bill> So, we can take a 500 unit bankroll, plug in an A8 v 6 as the hand, 
Bill> fly through two multi-million hand simulations playing it out both 
Bill> ways, and wind up with a higher ROI for not doubling?  Let's do it.

I've already run similar simulations that confirm Steve's analysis.

Bill> I would encourage anyone who actually bought this analysis to seek 
Bill> analysis.  

Do you have any recommendations?

So Bill, because you don't understand what Steve is talking about it
must be useless, right?  I found this to be very interesting and am working
on incorporating his formulas into a program to find strategy index
values for counting systems.

I can't believe I'm letting myself get involved in this.

This has been a paid posting on behalf of Steve Jacobs.  Where's the
money you owe me Steve?

Jeff
From: TRADER@cup.portal.com (Paul Vincent McGinnis)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Pai Gow
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:34:47 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

In a recent article, cheese@wam.umd.edu (Fletch F. Fletch) wanted to
know about Pai Gow. In Pai Gow, the player is dealt 4 dominoes and
makes 2 hands. You bet against the player who banks. To win, your
high hand must beat his and your low hand must beat his. If only
one hand beats his, it's a push. The object is to make, in order,
Bo's, Wongs, Gongs, or get as close to 9 as possible - the domino
totals roll over - thus, if you have 2 dominoes that add to 13, the
value is 3. Bo's are pairs - they have a ranking that is symbolic, as
opposed to linear - the highest Bo is called Gee Joon which is made with
the 1-2 and 2-4 spot dominoes. After that is the two 6-6 dominoes (the
one with all those red dots) - this is called "Double Heaven".

The Wongs are a domino totalling 9, plus one totalling 2 or 12. Gongs
are similar except they include an 8 and a 2 or 12. An introduction to
Pai Gow can be found in the May 1992 issue of WIN magazine (formerly
Gambling Times). For in-depth strategy, etc., refer to the book
"Pai Gow - Asian Dominoes" by Michael Musante. I uploaded a Pai Gow
simulator for the Macintosh, written by David Millers to the rec.gambling
FTP archive site, soda.berkeley.edu - look in the /pub/rec.gambling/misc
directory.

Paul McGinnis / TRADER@cup.portal.com
From: messiah@nevada.edu (mhw)
Subject: Re: Fun Books that are worth it ?(the effort that is)
Keywords: Hacienda, Sands
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:58:01 GMT

In article <36216@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jimp@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Jim Piercy) writes:
>In article <27JUL199219382753@misvax.mis.arizona.edu> venkataraman@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (Remesh Venkataraman) writes, in part:

>The book I got when I checked into the Hacienda last winter was pretty good.
>The Las Vegas Advisor regularly lists the Sands funbook as the best.

So when is their redemption booth open? Most of these place tend to have 
hours that are a major pain in the posterior to be there for.

Btw - anybody know where the visitors center is? I hear you can get funbooks
there too.

For those interested, the El Morrocco still had their racks full of funbook
vouchers up for grabs, last time I checked.




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From: EGG9EJS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Eric J. Splaver)
Subject: Re: BJ side bet: Royal match
Reply-To: eric@hup.ucla.edu
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:07:11 PDT

In article <1992Jul21.195113.9187@always.com>, on 21 Jul 92 19:51:13 GMT,
rick@always.com (Rick Wagner) writes:

>
>
>When at Harrah's Laughlin two weeks ago, I noticed they had a new
>game.  It is a side bet on some black jack tables called Royal Match.
>
>The object is:
>
>You place a side bet in a spot marked next to the regular BJ bet.  The
>bet has no correlation to your regular bet.  It can be from $1 -
>$30(?).  It may also be more than your regular bet.  I didn't check to
>see if you play just the match without a regular bet.
>
>The cards are dealt as normal.  Then the dealer asks for and pays
>matches for all the players making this bet.  I think this happens
>before calling for insurance.  Regular play then proceeds.
>
>The rules for the match are:  if your first two dealt cards are the
>same suit, then you are paid 3 to 1.  If they are the Q & K of the
>same suit, you are paid 10 to 1.  Otherwise you lose your bet.
>
>What are the expectations for this bet, assuming it is played before a
>dealer BJ?  After a dealer BJ?
>
> (Some text removed....)
>

Assuming the bet is played before a dealer BJ the house has about a
3.77% edge on this bet.  If the dealer wins with a BJ it's even worse!

Since P(1st card is a Q or K) = 2/13 then assuming you pull a K or Q
as your first card the P(2nd is the other K or Q)=1/51,
while the P(2nd card is the same suit but not the other K or Q)=11/51.
While P(1st card is neither a Q nor K) = 11/13 and then the P(2nd card
is the same suit) = 12/51.  Also, the P(2nd card a different suit)=39/51

So EV=2/13[ 10(1/51)+3(11/51) ] + 11/13[ 3(12/51) ] - 39/51 = -.03771

Some type of counting scheme to track the seperate suits could be
used but I have trouble enough keeping up with the blackjack count :)
I suppose you could have someone backcounting the side bet but they
would probably be more help doing an exact insurance backcount.

Eric J. Splaver
eric@hup.ucla.edu
From: jason@dcs.umd.edu (Jason Steinhorn)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Surrender Indication?
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:55:09 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Jul24.141614.23219@wam.umd.edu> cheese@wam.umd.edu (Fletch F. Fletch) writes:

>To indicate a surrender, you must simply say, "Surrender."  I would suggest 
>doing this loudly and clearly, and don't make any motions with the cards,
>since this can easily result in the dealer hitting your hand.
					    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Just to clarify, I don't mean you'll just get a slap on the wrist...

Jason
cheese@wam.umd.edu
From: breid@pyrhard2.eng.pyramid.com (Bill Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Roulette
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:54:59 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

In article <1992Jul23.144442.26263@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> murraysd@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Stephen D Murray) writes:
>
>         I'm sorry if this has been mentioned before, but does anyone know
>if it's possible to throw a ball to within five numbers- i.e. no more than
>two either side of a chosen number- at roulette? I have a friend who's
>dad is a casino manager and he claims that it can be and is done all the time
>whenever a large bet is placed.
>
I've heard the same thing: the wheel is generally moving at such a 
predictable rate that long-time dealers can actually release the ball 
with some degree of accuracy in hitting at least a quadrant.  Urban 
myth or no, I've wondered why a similar skill couldn't be developed 
by a player at predicting the ball drop, no felony required.

Ian Anderson, in his apochrophal book "Turning Tables on LV", claims that 
he saw a guy who could control how the dice came up when he rolled them.  
I'd take this story with a truckload of salt.  
 
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: whisnant@iastate.edu (Kerry L Whisnant)
Subject: Look, Ma , one hand! (Was Re: Surrender Indication?)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:07:48 GMT

In article <jason.17@dcs.umd.edu> jason@dcs.umd.edu (Jason Steinhorn) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.141614.23219@wam.umd.edu> cheese@wam.umd.edu (Fletch F. Fletch) writes:
>
>>To indicate a surrender, you must simply say, "Surrender."  I would suggest 
>>doing this loudly and clearly, and don't make any motions with the cards,
>>since this can easily result in the dealer hitting your hand.
>					    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Just to clarify, I don't mean you'll just get a slap on the wrist...

The last time I was in Vegas (it was also the first time) I sometimes
picked up the cards with both hands. Apparently that's a no-no (before
I had played only where the player's cards were face up and only
touched by the dealer, so I didn't know any better). The dealer
chastised me and explained the rule, but I was rather intent on
counting and forgot about it, did it again (and again), so she
threatened to cut off my offending second hand with that slab of
lucite they use to poke the money into the box below the table. I
finally got used to it, but it was a running joke the whole time I was
at the table.

I wasn't trying to play dumb, but in retrospect it might have been
good cover (unless they started watching me closer and noticed the
correlation between my bets and the count).
-- 
Kerry Whisnant                  High Energy Physics Group
whisnant@iastate.edu            Department of Physics and Astronomy
whisnant@alisuvax.bitnet        Iowa State University, Ames, IA 50011
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From: moo@king.eng.umd.edu (Deac Moo of the UGC)
Subject: Re: Look, Ma , one hand!
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 20:22:24 GMT
Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park
Reply-To: moo@king.eng.umd.edu

In article <JACOBS.92Jul28105059@cells.cs.utah.edu>, jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs) writes:

>Hey, if the craps players can't handle card counting, I doubt they'd
>be able to remember a whole sentence.  Something simple but apropos
>like "What HOOTERS!" would be more fitting.  Besides, they are likely
>to mumble this phrase between drooling episodes anyway...

Heyyy, some of us are left-brained and some are right-brained. 

Of course, I am no-brained, but this isn't up for discussion at the moment.

"What hooters" may work as a pickup line for you, but women know how good I 
am the minute I enter the room. 

			:-) 
				
	                *** MOO@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU***
Heaven: Playing craps with HotBabes(tm) screaming "I want you to come for MEEE." 
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: guido@island.COM (Guido Marx)
Subject: Re: Lotto 6/49 Analysis - Ontario
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.  San Rafael, Ca.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:12:30 GMT

In article <l7e1v1INN8k5@male.EBay.Sun.COM> billped@wolverine.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>One valid point came out of the discussion: If you know the historic 
>distribution of numbers *selected*, you can avoid picking those numbers so 
>that IF YOU WIN it will be less likely you will need to split the winnings with 
>other winners.  For example, many people choose birthdates: thus avoid all 
>numbers less than 32.  We can "test" (kind of) the last statement by compiling 
>a list of all winning combinations in all lotteries (plus the number of winners 
>for each combination) and calculating the average number of winners for two 
>scenarios:  
>		(1) combinations where all numbers are <=31 and
>		(2) the entire population.

There is really an easier method than this to ensure that if you win you
will be the only winner.  Just select a sequential series of numbers
from somewhere in the middle of the pack.  Something like - 31, 32, 33,
34, 35, 36.  I suspect that VERY few people play numbers like that
because the odds against such a sequence coming up are so great (yeah, about
14 million to one ;*).  This method saves you the trouble of getting
past numbers and doing all those calculations.

Guido
From: garay@sapir.lap.upenn.edu (John Garay)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: AC: Best BJ rules
Date: 23 Jul 92 03:19:35 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Language Analysis Center

As someone stuck out here on the east coast, I'm in a good position to give
insight into the BJ scene out in A.C.

The best place for BJ I have found in AC are at the Claridge and Trump Plaza.
At the Claridge, they have a special promotion where different combinations
of cards pay extra:   7,7,7 any suit pays 3:2
		      5 card 21 pays 2:1
		      6,7,8 (different Suits?) pays 3:1
		      Ace of Hearts with Queen of hearts pays 2:1
		      DAS, Resplit up to total of 3 hands
		      Resplit Aces
		      DOA, Late Surrender
		      6 deck shoe, sometimes 5$ minimum
Plus, with their CompCard, They send CompChecks based upon your avg. bet.

Trump Plaza-   Late Surrender
	       DOA, Resplit to total of 4 hands
	       DAS
	       6 deck shoe
The "TrumpCard" doesn't give out check as comp, but offers promo stuff.

I personally prefer Claridge.  The people there are friendly (and NO, it's
not because I give them my money.  Au contraire.)
Just thought someone would be interested.
John    garay@sapir.lap.upenn.edu

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From: poirier@ellerbe.rtp.dg.com (Charles Poirier)
Subject: Re: Variations of Poker wanted
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:07:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.

One variation that we used to like a lot in our family games is six card
stud, high-low.  It's dealt like seven card stud minus the last card, i.e.
two down, four up, the last three one at a time.  No qualifier for low.

	Cheers,
	Charles Poirier
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: bri@kpc.com (Brian Rice)
Subject: X-based games
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc, Santa Clara, CA
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 07:18:07 GMT

Hey all you gaming wizards, (and you know who you are!) anybody written
any X-based programs that allow you to *play* casino games?  I've seen
dozens of programs go by over the years ... and some of them were not
bad in terms of playing a computer game, but having one or more of them
written by an expert in *gaming* rather than an expert in programming
would allow the ability to do both simulations and practice.  I don't
know about you, but I would much rather try a counting system against
a computer at no cost than try one live. Blackjack would seem to be the 
easiest one (well, single deck anyway) but another obvious one based on 
recent discussions here would be a computerized version of video poker.

Steve?  Michael?  Will?  I'd mention Bharat too, but his program would
be written in Lisp and would assume intelligence on the part of the
player as well as the dealer.  :-) :-) :-)

Brian C. Rice			"The players only love you when they're
Systems/Network Manager              playing... "
Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc.
2630 Walsh Ave., Santa Clara, CA 95051
(408) 748-6333 | bri@kpc.com 
Newsgroups: rec.gambling,ont.forsale,misc.forsale
From: darcy@druid.uucp (D'Arcy J.M. Cain)
Subject: Re: Lotto 6/49 Analysis - Ontario
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 03:50:19 GMT
Organization: D'Arcy Cain Consulting

pmfusari@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Fusari) writes:
>For anyone out there who is interested in spotting trends in the winning Lotto 
>6/49 numbers, I have just completed a study on 10 years of 6/49 draws. 
>It includes analysis on number occurrences (how often each number is drawn),
> [more bulllshit deleted]
>charging a fee of $7.95 per copy.  Satisfaction is guaranteed.  If you  

Now you too can predict the past.

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jog@kpc.com (Rajeev Jog)
Subject: Re: Vegas rental cars
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computers Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:42:00 GMT

hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall) writes:

>Here are some economy car prices for this weekend in Vegas:

>COMPANY   PRICE/DAY
>Alamo     $24.99
>Budget    sold out
>Dollar    $24.95
>General   sold out
>Hertz     $27.95
>Payless   $23.95
>Thrifty   sold out
>Value     $25.95

>These seem a bit higher than usual, with prices under $20 a day being common.

>-- 
>Michael Hall            \ I'm sorry sir, but you can no longer play coupons

This really belongs on rec.travel, but I paid $36/day in Seattle on a
recent weekend trip.  A 3 for 2 AAdvantage coupon made it hurt less, but
I'm used to paying $18.99/day on weekends in most places.

Looks like the cheap fares have done it.

-- 
Rajeev Jog
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From: kgirodias@azcc.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Trip to Laughlin, NV
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:02:14 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group


Two weeks ago I went to Laughlin, NV for 12 hrs on a turn around. We
left Tucson at 7:00 am. got to Laughlin about 2:30 pm. We stayed till
about 2:30 am and then took the bus back to Tucson. The cost of the trip
was $10.00 and that included a meal. It was the first time I had been to
Laughlin or Las Vegas in about 3 years. I played mainly blackjack, lost 
about $20.00 playing poker and about $10.00 in slot machines. I got back
to Tucson with $12.00 more than I started including expenses. I won about
$50.00 playing Blackjack. I was interested to read the articles about
penetration. I noticed that at the Colorado Belle they shuffled after 2
rounds with 3 or 4 people sitting at the table. I lost about $50 to $60
there. I had moderate success at the Frontier. I had the best luck at the
Golden Nugget, where they delt quite far down the deck.  Actually at one
table I did great, won about $100.00 in a half an hour. A friend of mine
also won big at this table at the same time. Since I didn't go with a lot
of money I rarely raised my bets, but did count the cards. I went mainly
to check things out an practice. Hope to go again soon.

A couple of questions. I played the basic stratigy and counted cards, but
I tried hitting on low hands that I should not have according to the
basic stratigy when the count was very negitive ( lots of low cards in
the deck). It seemed to work well, converted a lot of 13's and 14's to
19's 20's etc. Is this a good idea?? Should one do this? Also if one is
counting and playing alone or with another person is it a good idea to
play 2 hands once the count is a high positive. Example playing $5 per
hand and get a plus 3 count, is it a good idea to then play 2 hands at
$10 instead of one or is this too obvious?

Ken
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