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From: brian@nds.com (Brian Dockter)
Subject: Re: Logo
Organization: Northwest Digital Systems
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 01:58:23 GMT
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daveb@pogo.wv.tek.com (Dave Butler) writes:
[Other suggestions about logo deleted]
:
: 	Any shape using a specific pair of colors, with the letters "RK" on 
: 	it ("RK" stands for rec.kites).
: 
: The reason I proffer something so basic as the last suggestion, is I think we
: should have two logos: one nice logo we could put on a pin, patch, or a single
: line kite, and one simple logo made simply for ease of use and recognition
: factor.  Remember, the problem that started this idea was the trouble I had at
: the Longbeach Kite fest, in finding any rec.kites readers, and I'm not going
: to go around looking for rec.kites cloisine pins. 
[Misc stuff deleted]
: ... but we will want something simple and easy
: to make, so that everyone can set up one (even people who aren't experts at
: sewing).  We also want something that is also easy to describe and understand
: (and design that won't take us a month to decide upon).

I agree.  I believe we should decide on at least one logo that is able to fly
(after all, isn't that what kiting is all about?) or can be put on a kite
without too much effort.  This way, you don't have to go looking at all of the
pins that people are wearing, just look up in the sky!

: ... So I'd
: suggest picking a striking and common, contrasting pair of colors (eg:
: Red/Black, Yellow/Black, Purple/Gold, Red/Green, Navy/Yellow), and use those
: colors to render the letters "RK", for long distance recognition.  That way,
: the simple combination of colors would make it semi-easy to spot such a
: signpost, even if you couldn't quite make out the "RK" (ie: it would signify
: where you should look for an "RK" symbol). 

I second this motion, and offer these minor modifications:

		R.K	(where the "." is in its standard position)
		R.K	(where the "." is centered vertically, like
			 a big dot)

		 ^
		/ \	(where the R.K is in a delta kite or some other
	       /R.K\	 variety of kite)
	       -----

My personal preference is the latter (with R.K in a delta) although any of
the four options would be acceptable.

Brian
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Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: treptau@parafoil.cray.com (Jeff Treptau )
Subject: Low Cost Stunt Kites
Reply-To: treptau@romulus.cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:06:19 CDT



Has anyone flown a few different low cost stunt kites (~$50 or below) such as the TotL Snap or the Spectra Sports Rocket, and could offer a comparison (forward speed, wind range, turning radius, etc) to the Cheetah?


Thanks,

Jeff Treptau
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From: pat@cs.strath.ac.uk (Pat Prosser)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: FlowForm
Date: 7 Sep 92 13:25:48 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.
Originator: pat@kelvin-02

I just completed my first "FlowForm" on Saturday afternoon (5th September).
It's from Jim Rowland's book on kites and windsocks. All the kites in the book
are "soft" (not one spar in there at all at all). I scaled up by 14%
so that the span of the flowform is 2m (approx 7 feet). 

There is 1 bug in his plans for the flowform, but other than that ...
As I said, I've never built a flowform before so I just took faith in 
Jim. The bug's easy to spot, and is no big deal.

Saturday was a very light wind .... too light for a roller.
The flowform flew on 400lb dacron line. First time out!
On Sunday it was blowing in excess of 30mph, very gusty, and heavy rain.
I would not have dared fly one of my parafoils (they would have been all over the place).
The flowform stayed aloft from when I arrived to when I left the site (approx 1.5 hours in the
air). When I took it down it must have weighed in excess of 3 times its normal weight.
The kite moved around in the air (anything would in those gusts) but it never flipped.
The book recommends 300lb line (approx). I used 600lb line on Sunday, and I worried at times!

The flowform took 12 meters of ripstop and 40 meters of 100lb dacron (for bridles).
Therefore, material cost was approximately 35 pounds (sterling). The kite took 2.5 days to build
(at a leisurely pace. This is a hobby you know!), Therefore say 20 hours.

My opinion ... could this be the best single line kite yet? It is stable (or as stable as you can
expect), flies in a WIDE wind range, has a strong pull, and has a genuinely "high tech" look.

Now could I scale it up, say to 4 meter span, and still use the same proportions? 

Do I really want to :-)


Patrick
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: spaceman@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Magnum Opus-General Consensus?
Date: 6 Sep 92 13:34:17 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services


Sorry to bring this up again...

There was a discussion (or rather just  snappy  talk )
on here not too long ago about the Magnum Opus-
Well, I just saw it in a catalog and now I am thinking about getting one-
So, If someone doesn't mind, could they e-mail me on the general consensus
of this kite...

Paul, the "I-like-the-... (dot-dot-dot)-and-the- - (dash)- approach-to-writing"
guy
From: daveb@pogo.wv.tek.com (Dave Butler)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: logo
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:05:24 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

On the logo issue: we've had one vote for hot pink/black (my vote), one for hot
pink/neon blue, and one mailed to me suggesting hot pink/dark blue (note that
everyone seems to like hot pink).  Since I was hoping to start a flag at the
end of the week, I personally would appreciate a definite decision by that
time.  Now I know that most people don't vote because they don't feel that
they can make a difference, but here we have a 3 way tie, and one vote will
definitely make a difference.  So vote already.  I am quite willing to stand
by the decision of the group, but if there is still a 3 way tie by the end of
the week, I know what colors of fabric I am buying for my flag. 

				Later,

				Dave Butler

    Science, freedom, beauty, adventure: What more could you ask of life? 
    Aviation combined all the elements I loved...  I began to feel that I 
    lived on a higher plane than the skeptics of the ground; one that was 
    richer because of its very association with the elements of danger they 
    dreaded, because it was freer of the earth to which they were bound.  In 
    flying I tasted the wine of the gods of which they could know nothing... 
				Charles A. Lindbergh Jr.
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Flying at night
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:14:36 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park

In article <1992Sep14.144741.27814@clsi.COM> kevin@clsi.COM (Kevin Cameron) writes:
>
>I was thinking about flying my stunt kite at night, illuminating it with a 
>couple of small flashlights attached to the bridal.

Try some of the small size cyalume light sticks; flashlights may be a bit
heavy.  There are all sorts of ways you can attach them.  I'd suggest tying
them to spots where spars intersect (t-fitting or vinyls on the leading edges).
It's a lot of fun.

First time I ever tried it, I tied a single light stick to the t-fitting of
my Spin-Off.  I was mightily confused when I felt the kite heading toward
the ground on the left side of the window, and saw the light stick heading
toward the ground on the right side--my knot had come untied!

If you get into night flying, there are a number of good light kits on
the market.

Jeff
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From: mss@endor.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Kite Reviews
Date: 16 Sep 92 04:40:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Sep16.044031.15896
Organization: Sasaki Kite Fabrications


Kite reviews are subject to flying styles and other things like local
climate. While I applaud the person who agrees to give reviews about
certain kites via EMAIL, I think that the community is better served
by posting reviews. After a few notes about a kite are posted, then a
summary can be made and included in the reviews FAQ.

There are loads of kites, and more are coming every day. It is
impossible for someone to have flown all of the kites, let's use this
group to inform each other about different kites.
---------
  Marty Sasaki				mss@das.harvard.edu
  Sasaki Kite Fabrications		phone:  617-522-8546
  26 Green Street
  Jamaica Plain, MA 02130
From: mwerling@terminus.umd.edu (Mike Werling)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Flying at night
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:26:39 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, Dept. of Good Guys and Cool Stuff

In article <1992Sep14.144741.27814@clsi.COM> kevin@clsi.COM (Kevin Cameron) writes:
>
>I was thinking about flying my stunt kite at night, illuminating it with a couple
>of small flashlights attached to the bridal.
>
>Has anyone tried this (or similar), does it work?
>
>Does anyone sell PTFE coated steel wire ?
>
>Just an idea...
>
>Kev.
>
>-- 
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>kevin@clsi.com         Tel: (USA) (410) 992 5700 (- 5709) X229
>uunet!clsi.com!kevin   Fax:       (410) 992 3536
>----------------------------------------------------------- Reality Is virtual

There were a couple of night kites and night kite kits (electric and
chemical (the cylaume light stick) types) in the last Into The Wind
catalog I looked at.  They also had a strobe light to hang from the kite,
kind of like a survival strobe.  Cylaumes seem to be the cheapest route, and
they come in different colors.  Just tie a couple on to either side of the
kite.
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From: mwerling@terminus.umd.edu (Mike Werling)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Kite Tail Tales (Was: Re: Kite Tails)
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:15:46 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, Dept. of Good Guys and Cool Stuff

In article <1992Sep1.170718.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu> guip@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>Kite tails....
>
>Well, I thought I would post some questions/comments/experiences that I have
>had with kite tails....

      (Stuff about kite tails deleted)

>Does the tubular "Kite shop tail" follow the kite well?    
>
>What about that material that the gymnast uses (the stick and ribbon thing?)
>What is it, is it expensive, is it, could it be....mylar (OH NO! -mr. Bill)
>
>Thanks for your time...
>Paul-the-guy-who-wants-a-peel-anda-Rev-anda-....

What about the tape they use for things like "POLICE LINE DO NOT CROSS"
The yellow stuff.  It may be a little heavy though.  I think they sell it
at some hardware stores with CAUTION written on it and such. (I do not
suggest using POLICE LINE DO NOT CROSS tape exactly...unless you can acquire
it legally ;-)

Mike

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From: north@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: logo
Date: 8 Sep 92 01:52:08 GMT
Reply-To: north@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Organization: Michigan State University
Originator: north@frith.egr.msu.edu


 I like the idea of the kites comming out of the computer with 
 R.K Printed on the screen  but only in a pin form i think something
 like that would be to complex for most of us to put together ourselves.
 The idea of putting R.K inside the outline of a delta kite in basic
 colors would be more to my liking on a general basis. And I think most
 could come up with a good representation of it on our own.

 George                                        North@Frith.egr.msu.edu.
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin)
Subject: Re: ENGINEERING INVOLVED
Reply-To: Jason C. Austin <j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov>
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:13:58 GMT

In article <BuJ6qx.4t1@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mjg51721@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael James Gebis) writes:
-> I have a feeling that the reason not much engineering is involved in the 
-> creation of kites is because the sport is still in its infantcy.  I'm sure
-> that the Wright brothers didn't do computer simulations, wind tunnel testing,
-> or that such thing weren't done for many years.  It was more efficient, 
-> time-wise, to simply experiment and find out what worked and what didn't.
-> 
-> Of course, after a while, people wanted to push the envelope and eke out that
-> last bit of performance.  At this point, mathematical simulation became 
-> important.
-> 
-> It's the same situation with modern day kites.  It is cheaper, faster, and
-> easier to simply make a bunch of kites and find out what works and what 
-> doesn't.  In the future, however, when kite-design has been pushed and 
-> the limits are being reached, more and more engineering will be required to
-> get better performance.
-> 
-> Mike Gebis  m-gebis@uiuc.edu

	I would say it is because research is expensive and
unnecessary in this case.  As long as it flies and looks good, it
doesn't matter if there's a little energy loss.

	If you build a bad airplane, you can throw away millions of
dollars and blow things up.  If you build a bad kite, assuming a
reasonable size kite, you're not going to hurt anyone, and you'll just
have to go back home and fiddle with it some more.

	Now, using a computer as a conceptual design tool would be
useful.  It would let you figure out how much stuff and what
proportions of stuff you need to build the thing.
--
Jason C. Austin
j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov
From: allen.edwards@spacebbs.com (Allen Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: RE: ENGINEERING INVOLVED
Date: 13 Sep 92 08:10:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: spacebbs.267.1615.uupcb
Reply-To: allen.edwards@spacebbs.com (Allen Edwards)
Distribution: world
Organization: SPACE BBS - Menlo Park, CA - 10 Lines + 4gB - 415-323-4193

I wonder why computers are not used in kites but they are in the sails
for sail boats.  Sails on boats are also cloth and flexable as they
are in kites.  Just wondering.  Allen Edwards
                                                                       
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: north@egr.msu.edu (GEORGE NORTH)
Subject: Re: ENGINEERING INVOLVED
Originator: north@frith.egr.msu.edu
Reply-To: north@egr.msu.edu
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 02:39:38 GMT

I saw a show on T.V. (I think Beyond 2000) about a company that uses a 
computer to help design sails for a sail boat and the computer looked
like a Macintosh. I also asked one of my CPS instructors about a program
for air flow around and object and she didn't think it would be a very 
extensive program. So this leeds me to think that a program such as one
to help design a kite wouldn't be too hard to find and could be run on 
a PC. I understand that the mathmatics of aerodynamics are quite complicated
but i dont think a CRAY is needed for something a this slow of speeds.


Newsgroups: rec.mag
From: chill@well.sf.ca.us (Casey Hill)
Subject: Re: adbusters
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 05:47:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.1551.188@channel1> "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com> writes:
>Does anyone know if AdBusters' Quarterly (I think that's the
>correct name) is still around? I used to see it on several
>newsstands here in Cambridge but have looked in vain for several
>months for a recent issue. If it exists, what's the most recent
>issue you've seen? Anyone have a mailing address and subscription
>info (price, etc.)? Thanks.
>
>...eliot                                         |
>Internet: eliot.gelwan@channel1.com             -*-
>    RIME: ->CHANNEL [R/O okay]                   |
>
>---
>EZ 1.39 #178 [in Brookline MA 12:00 am, Wednesday 09/02/92]
>--
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>



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current issue: SUmmer-Fall 1992
From: renew@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Rene Walter)
Newsgroups: rec.mag
Subject: DJ Mags
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:09:51 GMT
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Does anybody know some DJ Mags??
I already know of MixMag and DJ Magazine.
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Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: water purification methods
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:19:56 GMT

In article <01010064.cvk67p@titipu.meta.com> ed@titipu.meta.com
(Edward Reid) writes:
>I asked recently whether anyone needs a dissertation topic.  One email
>responder
>suggested that the challenge should be posed to sci.bio.  Sounds like a good
>idea, but I don't like posting to a group that I don't have available to check
>the appropriateness of the posting.  Anyone care to take up the banner?
>
>Still another useful approach might be to ask the authors of the AJPH article

As the responder: I doubt there's enough here for a dissertation, at most an
MS thesis.  We discussed this on a long trip in July (we had 3 biologists
and one related a population study contamination guessimate: the person
doing the study was the only person in 50 who got sick: how's that for irony).

So you read sci.bio for a while and post.  It's low traffic.  Trust me.

Contacting the original authors is also a fine idea.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: Cows at 12,000 Feet.
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:32:14 GMT

johnf@auspex.com writes:
>grazing cattle helped reduce the amount of underbrush and as a result
>lessened the spread of wildfires.  If grazing cattle do have a impact
>on wildfires I'd rather endure a few bovines with bells on than have an
>entire area wiped out via wildfire.

Too late.  California will crash and burn.  ;^)

--Chris
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: colinj@engin.umich.edu (Colin Johnson)
Subject: REQUEST: Wilderness Medicine/Backcountry EMT school info
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 16:37:37 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: na


	I already know about the SOLO school in New Hampshire. I am
wondering if people have information about other schools that offer
similar wilderness medicine training.

	I am looking for Wilderness Emergency Medical Technician
(WEMT) training. Something closer to Michigan than New Hampshire would
be nice. Any information on any schools or training centers is
appreciated. 

-- 
Colin Johnson           |Colin.Johnson@um.cc.umich.edu
Ann Arbor Michigan      |colinj@caen.engin.umich.edu
From: geek@media.mit.edu (Chris Schmandt)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Unleaded stoves ??
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:18:12 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

In article <191r34INN2rf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> au109@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Craig Williams) writes:
>
>Thanks for the advice, Richard, on using the Svea 123 with unleaded.
>I may just give it a try.  I've got a much older model, though,
>without the built-in cleaning needle, so I have to dissamble and
>run a very fine wire through the orifice manually.

I did that for many years.  What eventually wore out was the thread
on the nipple which screws into the chamber where the valve operates.
You may be able to buy a spindle plus cleaning needle as a replacement
part; it makes the 123 much less of a hassle to clean!

chris
From: fsrmh1@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Off to Alaska on Sunday!! (And eventualy to Denali...)
Date: 16 Sep 92 04:20:05 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

Denali Park has closed the road into the park recently due to heavy snowfall. 
Temps may warm up sufficiently to allow them to reopen it.  Since last Friday,
Fairbanks has been deluged with upto 17 inches of snow.  Forecast is for
warmer temps, but ...  be forewarned that fall may have passed by, by the time
you arrive.  

Anchorage bowl area has had termination dust on the hillsides for sometime
now...

Randy
fsrmh1@acad3.alaska.edu
From: tucker@shiva.edsg.hac.com (George Tucker)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Off to Alaska on Sunday!! (And eventualy to Denali...)
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:51:05 GMT
Reply-To: tucker@shiva.UUCP (George Tucker)
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

In article <3020022@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> pabo@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Eric Pabo) writes:
>There is a large REI store in downtown Anchorage that you might want to check 
>out.
>
>Last summer when I was in Alaska I found that the hotel/motel prices were 
>very high, fortunately we stayed with friends for most of the three weeks.
>We found that the Bed and Breakfasts were a good deal (~$50-55) versus hotels
>(~$100) for the 3 of us.  There is a Bed and Breakfast central booking num-
>ber in Anchorage but I don't know what it is.  You might check directory 
>assistance or with the chamber of commerce.

Campgrounds range from free to $6, and about half the time we found places 
outside of campgrounds.  It is cheaper to rent a car and camp than to stay
in towns, and you get mobility too.

	 The last night before an early flight we found a
$24 hotel among those listed at the airport.  Sleazy neighborhood, but
nice people.   Oops, sorry, that was in Anchorage, not Alaska.  Anchorage 
is an alien entity.  I have never stayed in a hotel in Alaska.
Too stuffy, no view.

	 George Tucker        tucker@tcville.hac.com
South Central LA - solidly Democratic - a few million.
Florida          - close race         - $7 billion.
Too many Quayludes.
From: au109@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Craig Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Unleaded stoves ??
Date: 14 Sep 1992 10:55:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Thanks for the advice, Richard, on using the Svea 123 with unleaded.
I may just give it a try.  I've got a much older model, though,
without the built-in cleaning needle, so I have to dissamble and
run a very fine wire through the orifice manually.

	=cw=
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry