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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 19:23:58 CDT
From: <U49146@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Feminists!
 <1992Apr8.142305.27944@mercury.cair.du.edu> <204678@unix.cis.pitt.edu>
 <1992Apr10.133208.21487@mercury.cair.du.edu>

In article <1992Apr10.133208.21487@mercury.cair.du.edu>,
rhuffman@diana.cair.du.edu (Robert T. Huffman) says:
>
>In article <204678@unix.cis.pitt.edu> pmmst8@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
>writes:
>>

<Stuff delted>
>

> But again this is consistent
>>with the foregoing comments on behalf of the unconsulted female portion of
>the
>African population
>
>In fact, an African woman has responded to your postings.  In fact, her
>response and mine were very similar.  Yet you have never replied to her
>arguments.  Furthermore, if you send me a copy of your original posting,
>the one which initially attacked *Off Our Backs*, I will be happy to
>show it to some African women I know and have them respond.  (Of course,
>I will be open to the same charge that you levelled at *Off Our Backs*,
>that the replies would not really be by African women, but I don't see
>any way around this problem.)
>
I did respond but I think Paul just decided to ignore me.  This would certainly
coincide with the view he seems to have of women.

>>Other than to wish you all well, I will not participate in a discussion of
>the
>>above subject matter. The reason is that the dosmetic problems of Americans  e
>ar
>>for Americans to solve. I am not entiled, uninvited as I am, to opine these
>matters or to impose my kind of logic. I conceed that I come from a different
>cultu
>>al backround and may not always adequately understands the cause of the      m
>proble
>>`and the consequence of usin my solutions on them. I respect Americans on    e
>thes
>>matters even as I may disagree with hteir methoids to solve them.
>
>Once again I have to disagree with you.  I simply do not understand why a
>non-American cannot have opinions about American problems.  Furthermore, it
>seems to me that a non-American can offer insights into American society
>by being more detached from it.  Alexis de Tocqueville visited the US from
>Great Britian in the 19th century, and his views of the country are still
>quoted.  I, for one, would welcome "foreign" comments about domestic
>problems, because we Yanks are certainly doing something wrong.
>
>Robert Huffman
>rhuffman@diana.cair.du.edu
>
>
It seems I also disagree with Paul. I can't understand the kind of logic which
states that you have to be a member of something before you criticize.  I certa
inly have no problem whatsoever with anybody criticizing anything about Africa.
I might disagree but I certainly won't waste any energy in refusing to listen t
o  what they have to say just because they are not African.

Anyhow, where did the above come from?  It doesn't seem to be posted (Paul's pa
rt that is)

Sofia
From: kevinc@sequent.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: You trippin/Path: Ra.MsState.Edu!clg1
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:25:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Apr13.222510.11213
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <kujkk3INNdo5@news.bbn.com> rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman) writes:
>Would it be too much to ask "News on Muncher" <news@sequent.com>
>to post under his or her real name?

  
  I didn't notice that.  Should be fixed.
>
>-- 
>Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Creation of a new newsgroup
From: Amos.Omondi@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Amos Omondi)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:56:27 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.

May I suggest that to avoid unnecessary flamatory "discussions" in this group 
we create a "soc.culture.african.racists" and have some of our current subscribers 
transfer to that group.  Those who are being coerced into reading articles here, 
when they would really prefer that Africa did not even exist, will be excused.
From: pmmst8@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: African Music, the rythm is strong...
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:47:10 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr7.213858.6120@athena.mit.edu> lmweene@athena.mit.edu (Haachitaba Mweene) writes:
>Zairian musicians are the most popular and accomplished in Africa.
>They set the trends.  Shanachie records carry some of the more popular
>African musicians like Tshala Muana and tabu Ley. Check them out!
>Haachitaba

Agreed, although I am of the belief that their domain is little larger than sta
ted above. It would be good to be able to see their dancing too because, to  me
it seems that they have been able to achieve perfect harmony between sound and
the body response.

In addition you might want to check out the following.

(a) Franco & the T P OK - the Grand master and the all star  OK jazz
(b) John Bokelo & Mbonda Africa - another grand master, the album Sandoka is 
              especially special.

In addition to Tabu Ley mentioned above, the above are probably the best of the
practitioners of the old school of Zairean music. Some good ones include Youlou
Mabiala, Sam Mangwana ( the album "Transberos" in particular). 

The good female musicians include Jolly Deeta, Lady Isa Malembe,and the late 
Mpongo Love and Mbilia Bel ("Cleopatra") who has to be among the most sensuous
dancers any where. 

The latestcraze however is stacato beat Soukous of Kanda Bongo man, Pepe Kalle
Zaiko Langa Langa with all the fancy dancing styles attendant to it. This is 
the music of the African youth (my friend tells me that it has consumed Ethiopi
a too). There are many excellent practitioners of this style, but in addition
to the above Bozi Boziana & the Choc stars, Emerite Emeneya, Aurlus Mabele ,
The guitarist non pareil Diblo Dibala are among the outstanding.

**** NOTE however that my information is for the most part atleast two years old      and given the pace of developments, could be way out of date. 
There was posting on rec.music.afro-latin that a band by the name of Wenge international is upcoming and already doing well, and that there are already new
dance styles to go with the music......

What can I can say, check it out.......

I don't think these musicians have competition any where, but again this is a
personal predjudice....

Makala
From: ken@pluto.dss.com (Ken Adler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Info request: East African Safari in June... Is it worth it?
Keywords: kenya, safari
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:46:15 GMT
Organization: Datability, Carlstadt, NJ



Sorry to disturb the political discussions going on in this group....

I need some advice.

I am planning to take my Honeymoon this June1-June 15th.  We were thinking 
of going to Seychelle Islands for a week and then into Kenya for a "Safari"
for a week.

I believe that the begining of June is "off-peak" since it is "winter season".

Will it still be worthwhile?  Will we still see a lot of beasties even though it
is not "migration time".  

do you think I ought to save my money for another time when I can go during 
september?

E-mail responses would be best.  Please respond ASAP as I must make a decision this week.

thanks


Ken
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: wsargeant@IGC.ORG (Winslow L. Sargeant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: IPS:Libya, tripoli agrees to hand over
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:46:25 GMT

/* Written 12:08 am  Apr 16, 1992 by newsdesk in cdp:ips.englibrary */
/* ---------- "LIBYA: TRIPOLI AGREES TO HAND OVER " ---------- */
Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Reference: United Nations
Title: LIBYA: TRIPOLI AGREES TO HAND OVER SUSPECTS TO MALTA


new york, apr 13 (ips) -- the libyan government has agreed to
hand over to the maltese authorities two men suspected of the
1988 bombing of a pan american flight over lockerbie, scotland,
it was disclosed monday at the united nations headquarters in new
york.

the move comes in the wake of tripoli's refusal to extradite
the men to the u.s. or britain, despite a u.n. security council
vote to impose mandatory sanctions against libya unless it does
so by april 15.

in an urgent diplomatic effort, the arab league countries
offered to hand over the two suspects to the maltese government,
on behalf of the government of colonel moammar gadhafi, to
prevent the application of sanctions against libya.

according to a message sent by the arab league president,
ahmed esmat abdel majid, malta was chosen to receive the two
libyan suspects because it is regarded as a ''neutral'' country.

the message says that in this way ''libya is prepared to
comply with security council resolution 731, which among other
things, condemns terrorism in all its forms.''

resolution 731, aimed at securing the extradition of the two
libyan suspects in the lockerbie bombing, was passed in january.

the arab league message also calls for the postponement of
sanctions against tripoli contained in u.n. security council
resolution 748, which include a ban on libyan commercial flights
and an arms embargo.

resolution 748 will become effective on wednesday unless the
security council accepts the latest libyan proposal.

venezuelan ambassador diego arria, who presided the security
council in march when resolution 748 was passed, said he was
''not sure'' whether the security council would accept this
proposal.

tripoli's latest offer comes in the wake of tense negotiations
at a meeting of the arab league in the moroccan capital, rabat.

following the meeting, the arab nations held direct contacts
with the u.n. secretary general, boutros boutros-ghali, who is
currently on an official visit to switzerland.

the security council is due to discuss the proposal and is
expected to respond tuesday.(ends/ips/trd/mg/sfi/cg/92)
----
From: jka3_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (James Amenuvor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Feminists!
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:42:15 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York


 I will have to agree with Paul on one point.  In Africa, at least as much of itas I know, matrimony becomes a defacto contract between two families.  In some
places the couple to be married have to take second place to the welfare and 
amicability of both families.  If the families refuse to see eye to eye then the chance that the couple will get married is next to zero.  To support this I 
have never heard of a couple eloping in Africa.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: vamg6792@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Vincent A Mazzarella)
Subject: Re: Zimbabwe`s Foreign Policy
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:20:08 GMT

Quite a humourous document. Zimbabwe calls for the removal of troops
from every country except Mozambique.  :-)

Cheers.

-- 
Vincent Mazzarella
College of Medicine, Neuroscience Program
University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
e-mail:  mazz@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu  (Internet)
From: pmwanik@cadev6.intel.com (Peter Mwaniki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Trip to Kenya
Keywords: kenya,safari,budget
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:57:16 GMT
Reply-To: pmwanik@cadev6.UUCP (Peter Mwaniki)
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA

In article <1992Apr10.132957.15325@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>Hi, everyone.  I am new to this group, so forgive me if this question was
>asked recently.
>
>I would love to visit Kenya on a severely limited budget that I have.  I
>was contemplating one of those student group tour.
>
>Does anyone here have experience with it?  Is there any other economic way
>to go visit Kenya?  I can pretty much sleep anywhere as long as it is warm,
>and I can eat pretty much any food.
>
>How much should I expect to pay for a round trip airfare from Chicago to
>Kenya?
>
>Please e-mail me the response.  Thank you very much in advance.
>
>James Choi


Hai James,

I think you could make it to Kenya, and have fun with a limited budget.
a trip via Europe from San Francisco can cost as low as $1350, round trip.
You could get a good hotel for $20 a night, a first class train ride 
Nairobi to Mombasa costs about six dollars, leaves at 5pm and arrives
Mombasa at about 7:00am. ( very popular ).

I have no experience with the student tours but several, friends and
who have gone on their own enjoyed the flexibility, and thought it
was most economical. 

Food is good and reasonable, drinks ( wine, hard liqour ) very expensive.

Good luck and safe landing !

Peter Mwaniki
From: sheilar@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Sheila Rock)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: south africans
Date: 7 Apr 92 09:19:51 GMT
Reply-To: sheilar@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Sheila Rock)
Distribution: soc
Organization: Dept AI, Edinburgh University, Scotland

In article <1992Apr6.204949.5319@vax.oxford.ac.uk> dup@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>In article <1992Apr4.891.3593@dosgate>, colin.perkel@canrem.com (colin perkel) writes:
>> 
>>    Just wondering if you guys/gal were still there? F. Jacot, Steve,
>> Angus, Linda et al.
>>    Seems like ages since we heard from you this side. Are you still up
>> and running?
>> 
>
>It's not just your side of the Atlantic -- the UK/SA communications are also
>very dicey. No-one seems sure what is wrong. What has come through to me
>has been cries of despair, and mail isn't just bouncing, it's disappearing
>into the electronic ether.
>

Yes, I can corroborate that.  Mail both to and from SA is
disappearing.  There is an occasional bounce, an occasional message
through, but most stuff just vanishes!!

>I hope it comes right soon...

Me too.  It's very distressing - feels like my life-line to Afrika is
being erased. And next, the CP/AWB will be saying it's god's vengance
on us for voting yes.  ( :-) :-))

Does anyone have any idea what's happening, and whether anything is
being done to sort this out?

===========================================================================
Sheila Rock, Dept of A.I.  JANET: sheilar@uk.ac.ed.aisb
Edinburgh University,      UUCP:  ...!ukc!aisb.ed.ac.uk!sheilar
80 South Bridge,           ARPA:  sheilar%uk.ac.ed.aisb@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
Edinburgh EH1 1HN, U. K.
From: wsargeant@IGC.ORG (Winslow L. Sargeant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: IPS:Nigeria, ministry conducts survey o'
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:30:13 GMT

/* Written  1:15 pm  Apr 11, 1992 by newsdesk in cdp:ips.englibrary */
/* ---------- "NIGERIA: MINISTRY CONDUCTS SURVEY O" ---------- */
Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Area: Opecna Morning Transmission
Reference: Africa, west
Title: NIGERIA: MINISTRY CONDUCTS SURVEY ON HEART DISEASE


lagos, april 8 (ips) -- nigeria's health ministry is conducting
a nationwide survey to determine the prevalence of heart and
non-communicable diseases in the country for effective control.

speaking at a ''world health day'' symposium here late
tuesday, nigeria's minister of health and human resources,
olikoye ransome-kuti, said the committee would identify the
distribution and magnitude of the diseases and determine their
risk factors.

he said the measure was part of major initiatives to combat
the emerging menace of cardio-vascular diseases and other
diseases such as high-blood pressure, diabetes and sickle cell.

''about 30 years ago, heart disease did not feature among
the 10 leading causes of death in the world, but today, it
ranks second after pneumonia,'' ransome-kuti said.

it now accounts for a quarter of the total number of
deaths each year, taking an estimated 12 million lives
annually, added ransome-kuti, who is professor of medicine.

the minister said that cardio-vascular diseases, once
thought to be afflicting exclusively the industrial nations,
had crept to the developing world where its managerial and
professional classes had adopted western lifestyles.

practically in all parts of africa, south of the sahara,
systemic hypertension and rheumatic heart disease are
responsible for most of the cardio-vascular illnesses or deaths
in the indigenous adult population, the minister said.

the world health day commemorates the formal establishment
of the who apr. 7, 1948. the theme of this year's celebration
was ''heartbeat -- the rhythm of health''.
(end/ips/to/apc/ar/92)
From: harley@willy.npl.washington.edu (David Harley)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Fishing in Namibia
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:17:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Apr17.011737.5717
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington

In IPS: NAMIBIA: HOPES OF RECOVERY PINNED ON FISHING, MINING:

>the impetus for growth came largely from fisheries, which
>recorded a spectacular growth rate of over 300 percent, while
>agriculture, dominated by livestock production, is largely
>undeveloped, the bank explains. (more/ips)

Arrk! I hope somebody is looking out for the fish! A year ago fishermen
were already noting a decline in fish stocks, even with

> .... granting fishing rights, allocating quotas and
>registering boats. surveillance of the 'neez' is already in
>place.

Are we witnessing another USA west coast salmon debacle?

--
David Harley, University of Washington
Internet: harley@ben.npl.washington.edu     Bitnet: harley@uwaphast.bitnet
From: adavies@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Anthony Davies)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: The rhythm *is* strong
Date: 8 Apr 92 07:41:53 GMT
Organization: Institute of Virology, Oxford, UK

In article <ku1fh9INNrhd@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, prasad@Sun.COM (Prasad Saggurti) 
writes:
> Hi! I am interested in African music. I know that there are
> many different styles which are grouped together under "african"
> or "world beat" music, but i'm looking for some recommendations
> as to new music/musicians which i may not have heard of so far.
> I like the old Juluka more than present day Johnny Clegg&Savuka.
> I also like the Fela Kuti's afro-jazz variety. Yossou N'dour,
> Les Tete Brules, Boyoyo Boys and Bhundu Boys, just to give you
> an idea on the kind of music i'm into. Any pointers/suggestions?
> 
Try Hugh Masekela and (the late) Dudu Pukwana for the best in Southern African 
trumpet playing.  Also Miriam Makeba for a more folk influenced style, and The 
Four Brothers for more "authentic" Zimbabwean style than at least the more 
recent stuff from the Bhundu Boys.  More bluesy is Ray Phiri's Stimela - but 
this guy is truly fantastic, especially live....

> We now return you to the regularly scheduled topics of discussion.

Oh OK.  That should do for now, anyway :->

________________________________________________________________________________

Anthony Davies                Voice: 865-512361
Institute of Virology         Fax:   865-59962
Mansfield Road                Vax:   adavies%uk.ac.oxford.vax
Oxford OX1 3SR
UK
________________________________________________________________________________
From: llk406@KEPLER.UNH.EDU (Llolsten L Kaonga)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Martians on the attack!
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:56:23 GMT

<stuff killed>

Hey, John, don't use bad language like that! It is detrimental to your
health and mine! The brother was just trying to be humorous!

Just say uh huh!

Llolsten Kaonga (with the man in the yellow hat)
e-mail: llk406@kepler.unh.edu
        l_kaonga@unhh.unh.edu


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From: "colin perkel" <colin.perkel@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: south africans
Date: 9 Apr 92 09:27:01 EST
Reply-To: "colin perkel" <colin.perkel@canrem.com>
Distribution: soc
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

In <1992Apr4.204553.13876@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> Henk Goosen writes:

-> The connection to South Africa is a 9600 bps line and is overutilized
-> to the point where email is unreliable and telnet/ftp allmost
-> impossible. Maybe they are cutting back on newsfeed to save
-> bandwidth.

  Is there any way to confirm this? Who would be doing so? Seems a pity.
 Thanx for the info anyway.

Internet: colin.perkel@canrem.com

Col
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From: osele@acsu.buffalo.edu (itiakorit j osele)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Image of Africa outside Africa
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:42:08 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <92101.195718U49146@uicvm.uic.edu> U49146@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>In article <204504@unix.cis.pitt.edu>, twfst1@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Tunde W
>Fanimokun) says:
>>
>>I am thoroughly frustrated at the projected image of Africa outside the
>>continent. There is this stereotype of Africa as containing ONLY mud-huts,
>>loin cloth clad men and bare breasted women with stark naked malnourished
>>children. The more forgiving articles show schools with classes held under
>>the shade of trees, scruffy looking men on bicycles and crude medical care
>>being given by WHITE volunteers.
>>
>>While I am not saying none of this is true and not being able to speak for

[ most of the stuff by Amos and Akin deleted ]

>I think Amos and Akin did a good job of answering this.  Here is my $.02.
>
>I am more thoroughly disgusted when we Africans use the criterion that the whit
>e colonizers used to call us "uncivilized" to our fellow country women/men.The
>re is nothing wrong with "bare breasted" women nor "stark naked" kids.  It is p
>art of the culture and it is uncorrupted by superficial western things. The peo
>ple are very simple and I would hate it if anything happened to change that.  Y
>ou should know that the hippies in the sixties were essentially trying to creat
>e this kind of simple society.
>
>As for the tall buildings, why that only makes places uglier.  They are conveni
>ent but I don't see why we should erect any if we don't need them,(yet anyway.
>
>In short, I have no problem if the media shows the different things you mention
>ed above.  Actually they are accurate as only about 40% (I think at the most) o
>f African people live in the cities and the majority live simple lives in the r
>ural area.  (I would just hate it if they dared call it "uncivilized" or "savag
>e".
>
>Sofia

Sofia I couldn't agree with you more ! You put so succinctly, hurrah.

Itiakorit
From: john kauta <kautaj@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Slavery (was Re: Sexist African Males)
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 11:21:37 -0500

In article <viking.703224672@vincent1.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:

>
>	As another data point, Shaka Zulu is credited with taking the Zulu
>nation from a system of ritualistic warfare, where only a few are killed
>in any battle before stopping hostilities, to over 19,000 men killed in a
>single battle.  He did this in less than ten years, partially as a result
>of a nifty new spear design he supposedly saw in a dream.  Shaka Zulu had
>never seen a white man, in case you were wondering.  Demand existed in
>both Africa and anywhere else in the world.  The Egyptians were enslaving
>their own black neighbors long before whites were even known to exist,
>let alone any cultural exchange happening.  The bottom line is that each
>group of people will enslave or otherwise subjugate others no matter what
>their race, color, or creed.

[STUFF DELETED]
> Demand for slaves does not result in fulfillment unless other
>blacks are willing to sell their conquered neighbors.  Solidarity among
>the blacks could have defeated virtually any slavers you could dream of.
>That it didn't happen is proof that color is no measure of humanity.

You mentioned the Zulus above and somewhere below you seem to suggest that
Africans never cared to defend themselves against the slavers.  I can not
help but notice that you have conviniently left out the activities of
Dingane, the successor of Shaka Zulu, in this direction. Does he (Dingane)
strike you as a person who would have sold you African slaves??????
And what is this newfangled notion about "demand for slaves existing in
Africa at that time"??? Are you REALLY SERIOUS??