HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: zwicky@erg.sri.com (Elizabeth Zwicky)
Subject: Re: hostnames (was Re: Delittering)
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 22:25:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.013942.14551@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>there are about 850,000 computers on the Internet these days (venus isn
>>the most popular hostname, by the way, and earth is *way* down the list)...

>Since Jess seems to be alluding to it, let me add another plug for a
>fascinating article by our very own Elizabeth Zwicky, in a recent
>_;login:_, deconstructing this very subject.  :)

Not that I'm ever picky or anything, but Jess is actually alluding to
the ZONE data my article references, and I think my article is more in
the way of construction than deconstruction. (OK, so it's my eighth
consecutive day at work and I've been proofreading for the last hour.)
I can tell he's talking about ZONE because the Usenet statistics I
keep invariably make "cs" the most popular host name on the usenet (in
the largest data sweep I have, it occurs a whole 314 times, out of
68,979 hosts). The difference probably occurs mostly because the
Usenet data reflects host name in use, instead of host names
registered; at our site, we have probably 500 host names registered,
but only 150 or so in use. In case anybody cares, I restarted the
names software here, which I haven't been running since February, and
in last night's snapshot of the Usenet "mike" and "steve" tie for the
most popular username that belongs to a human. 

On the subject of names, I've been updating my calendar to include
saints days recently (it's something to do while backups are running
when news isn't working), and it occured to me that there are medieval
names like "Cuthbert" that it would be cruel but not unimaginable to
name one's child, and medieval names like "Alcfrith" that have just
fallen out of use altogether. I mean, "Alcfrith" isn't "Oswiu" or
"Aethelflaed" or anything else containing sounds just not used in
modern English.

This has no motss content, although one has to wonder about some of
those saints...

	Elizabeth D. Zwicky
	[Has anybody else noticed that Cocolat now sells chocolate
eggplants? God still is at work in the world...]
	zwicky@erg.sri.com



Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Gone Fishin'
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:41:22 GMT

In article <BvI93v.KKr@queernet.org>, rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
  []
  I thought you got allergic smelling hay.
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
		PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax)
From: mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Butter
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:38:57 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

>It's been so hot here recently -- 100 degrees today -- and there
>was a drive-by shooting at USC yesterday, and I felt listless
>this morning, so I didn't go to work today.  I lounged around all

Aside from Dolphie's typical use of flawless grammar, this reads
like something from Bret Ellis (and, in particular, Less than
Zero)...

  It's been so hot here recently but it's always hot here and 
sometimes I'm afraid that I'm going to go blind because it's always
so bright and it doesn't really feel like Christmas but then it
never does and there was a drive-by shooting at USC today so
we all went down there to check out the blood on the asphalt and
I thought it was going to melt - that the asphalt was going to melt -
so I didn't get out of Lana's BMW but when she came back from looking
at the blood she was excited so we had sex and it stung when I came
and then I felt very calm and I thought about the big sign that 
said "Disappear Here..."


I wonder if Ellis ever reads kinky French poems?  Spy magazine did a
wonderful job with it's spoof of Cliff notes on one of this guys
novels - where they had tried to diagram all the relationships between
the characters.  I don't believe they mention this, but it seems that
Ellis has a fascination with using homosexual characters (often in a
Less than Flattering light).  He *must* be an internalized homosexual
homophobee (sic).

Melmothra, ACC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye)
Subject: Re: Support? 
Keywords: apology
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:03:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.201729.8129@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes(quoting Bob Donahue): 
>But I'm really glad to see this paragraph again:
>   >>>       I, and countless others here have on many occasions
>   >>>done our share of nuturing,  [ ... ]  But that takes a lot of effort,
>   >>>nearly all of it on our parts.  We individually only have limited
>   >>>energy, and have our own lives to expend it.  Anything above
>   >>>that is a courtesy, not a duty.  [ ... ]
>   >>>yourself.
>To which I did not say, as I should have done, that I think it's
>more of a gift than a courtesy.  There are people here who regularly
>make generous contributions of their attention, intelligence,
>empathy, judgment and good fellowship.  Again, I'm not going to make
>a list, this time because I suspect that a lot of it happens
>invisibly, in email, so we don't always know who is doing it.  But
>there is a lot of it going on.  I know, because I've been on the
>receiving end of at least my share.
>
Gosh, Mara, I believe you're overlooking (out of optimism?) the workaday
grudges and vendettas that are rife in any newsgroup with the pseudo-
communal characteristics of soc.motss. I won't list names either, or
personalise examples, but in addition to those who demonstrate "empathy,
judgement and good fellowship," or who simply stay aloof because of
"limited energy," there are people for whom others are the bane of the
net, the ruiners of soc.motss and the essence of Satan. And these folks
go out of their way-- by sending back channel e-mail or by publicly
announcing their killfile contents (proudly!). Like any other social
group with continuous and iterated interaction, there will be saints,
sinners and the merely complacent.

Of course, you're a saint! And so am I! And so is...
>
>-- 
>
>  Mara Chibnik
>  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
>


-- 
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                         Fax: 805.944.5958

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:12:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.212416.15594@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>That the standards of "looking good" are so ephemeral
>>suggests that people's adherence to them *are* a result of
>>insecurity.
>
>*Am* it?

Ppppppppbpbpbpbhthththththth.

T, who refuses to ever apologize for grammor mistakes

-- 
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 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: civil war in oregon
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 12:21:51 GMT


In article <1992Oct2.4342.58505@dosgate> "paul bobbitt"
<paul.bobbitt@canrem.com> writes:

>Of course given the acid comments and rebuttals from people
>like yourself, I'm really quite surprised that anyone posts
>here at all.

Pass him the soc.motss mirror, please.

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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ry Schwark Bytes!
Date: 2 Oct 1992 12:20:47 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Oct2.183324.9222@macc.wisc.edu> 
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) mistakes my
silliness for bullying or whining or *something* and
writes:
> In article <1ai049INNigb@mizar.usc.edu>
> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson), the sound of one knee
> jerking, writes:

That's not my knee, sweetheart.

[...]
> >Is that what bothered you, Snookums?
>
> Was I bothered?  Clearly, you were.

I was being *silly*, Jess.

[...]
> >Is that better?
>
> Better than what?

OH NO!  Am I going to have to start using those hideous 
smiley head things? 

Arne
From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "Marines go to war over sexy AIDS ad"
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:08:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: scd.BvD1HK.C17
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5

Jack Hamilton (jfh@netcom.com) wrote:
> 
     [quoted material deleted]
> 
> Foundation executive Pat Christen said that they intend to continue using
> the ad.  The Marine Corps says that the emblem is copyrighted, and can't be
> used in an advertisement without permission.  The legal question is,
> apparently, if it's legal for someone to have the tattoo put on his arm
> (freedom of expression), can a picture of that arm be used in a photo? 
-----------
Isn't there a legal doctrine that if a copyright or trademark is not
enforced by the owner, it becomes invalid?  Sort of like the case 
where someone walks through your back yard for 20 years, and in the
21st year you find you can't legally prohibit them from walking 
through your yard.  I think it's called "adverse posession".

Wouldn't decades of Marines getting their beefy shoulders tatooed
with the emblem of the Corps and then going out and getting 
photographed by Herb Ritts be the same thing?

Mike Drayton      mdrayton@sr.hp.com       Hewlett-Packard Co.
                                           Santa Rosa, California
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: soc.motss shrinks in half
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:48:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.081311.3701@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> I think I've beaten my record for "coming out to most people at once".
> It used to be soc.motss postings, but I signed one of the voter's
> pamphlet statements against Measure 9, and that gets mailed to every
> registered voter in Oregon.

Well, unless the pamphlet statement explicitly states that its signers
are gay (unlikely), I'm not sure this counts as "coming out".

> Oddly, this makes me nervous (xref: my
> next motss posting).

Having read the posting in question (and been rather shaken by it, as
readers must have noticed), I can see why. But it probably doesn't do
any good to be nervous; and it's hard to imagine targeting every such
signer (I assume there are lots of you).

Robert [wanting more than ever to hold you and protect you from harm]
From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: enough already.
Date: 3 Oct 92 09:25:17 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


Colburn Eigen (cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu), 
physicist and man of taste [but, of course]:
 
> jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
> 
> >... Mozart's rather sluggish Giovanni?
> 
> Goodness and Mercy, No!!  To my knowledge Wolfie had no gastropods 
> [genus Limax] named Giovanni, ... 

Well, do *you* remember their names then?

> ... but even if he did, I cannot imagine them 
> to have been as slow sliding as the production of Barenboim.
> 
> (currently lost in the lush voice of Janet Baker singing Sea Pictures 
> of Elgar........and wanting to go where the corals are)

How interesting...the CD?  Barbirolli?  LSO?

If so, I *hope* you didn't pass lightly over
the now aging, but never-surpassed performance
of Elgar's Cello Concerto by du Pre'.

ObCoincidence: Barenboim and du Pre' were married
to each other.  [Neither was ever married to
Giovanni.]

--jns
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: nambla bashing (was, harrassing 'phone calls)
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:01:21 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss

As quoted from <Bv59B6.x4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> by jbeason@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Joseph E. Beason):

> I have a very good friend who is very active in NAMBLA.
> 
> I am not sure if I agree with hi s and the group's stance on adult/non-adult
> sexual interaction;  I have certain problems with it that I'm still
> gnawing at.
> 
> He is a good man.  He is kind, and takes good care of the people in his life.
> I trust him.  I know he would not hurt or rape children.

People say that about convicted molestors, rapists, serial killers all the time
"He was quiet and never bothered anybody".  I suggest that you read up on Ted
Bundy and John Wayne Gacy.

> I do not believe that all members of NAMBLA are as good as he is.  Some may
> be better.  Many may be worse.  But I know that you can't plot a curve from
> a line, that one mentally ill homosexual does not make all queers sick, that
> one lazy Latino does not make all spics lazy, that one stupid woman does
> not make all broads bimbos.  

"Spics"?

Do you judge gradations of character within rapists, murderers, and molestors?
Are some better than others?

> I think anyone who would kidnap/hurt/rape/kill a child is either sick or
> evil or both; I am sure my friend would think likewise.

I wonder if you REALLY know....

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: Jess has designs on *my* little boy!
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:24:30 GMT

thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>>In article <Bv4s0t.DLy@cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
>>writes:
>(Hey boy, when the fuck are you going to get a picture into the archive?
>The same goes to Papa Shaumeyer)

Somewhere between end october and the beginning of December, I _will_
got to Paris again. Hopefully, Papa Jojo will keep the promise to
photgraph me, and if - I said IF - I'm pleased with what I'll see, I'll
scan it and send it over.

							FJ!!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Heterosexuals (was Re: Faggots)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 22:57:05 GMT


In article <lck7nmINNlgi@spim.mti.sgi.com>
dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>In article <1992Sep30.203033.20093@macc.wisc.edu>,
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>In article <1acuceINNhp8@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
>>tachyon@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Tane' Tachyon) writes:

>>>The men can all go around naked for all I care!  :-)
 
>>S'all right with me!

>I don't know about this...  There is something about
>someone who is dressed in very flattering clothing that I
>like.  Once they are naked, they all look more alike...

Unh-uh -- I never saw anyone who looks like *you* with their
clothes off, honest I didn't.  You look *real* differnt
nekkid.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:59:48 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.183112.15428@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>Fuck you, Arne. Do you think there is some merit in offending random
>people by insulting what they feel strongly about, or are you just
>practicing your role as soc.motss.bitchy.queen?

I never, ever thought I'd find myself agreeing with Arne,
but he is right about this.  If you're concerned about how
animals die, then you MUST be concerned about how they
live, too.  Many farm animals, esp. those on the larger,
factory-type farms, lead horrible lives.  Some are
slaughtered, some are not.  Given the way that they live,
I'm not sure why the latter is seen as preferable to the
former.
--
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From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Faggots
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:01:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.43314
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <mcmelmon-280992131103@mcmelmon.apple.com> mcmelmon@aruba.apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>
>Tu-wye hawdar, dah-ling.  Tu-wye hawdar.

Sorry Dahhhlllllliiiinnngggg....

But while there are any number of men for whom I would gladly
try harder, alas, you aren't one of them.

I simply must have standards, however low.  And you fall dismally short.

--mark
--
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markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.
From: meggert@hto-06.usc.edu (Mark Eggert)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: OCBA Firefoxes contest October 16
Date: 5 Oct 1992 10:43:55 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: la
NNTP-Posting-Host: hto-06.usc.edu
Keywords: hot men with big hoses

  The Orange County Burn Association's Firefoxes competition and reunion
is set for Friday, October 16th at the Phoenix Club in Anaheim. No-host
reception is at 17h30 followed by the show and contest at 19h00.
  The models for the '94 Firefoxes calendar will be chosen from the
competing OC firemen. Models from previous calendars will be "on hand" for
photos and autographs.
  Tickets are $20 in advance, $25 at the door if available. A copy of the
'93 calendar is included with admission. The OCBA's phone numbers are
(714)634-1199 and (714)563-4161.
  The show and calendars benefit the OCBA and UCI Burn Center and Burn
Survivors.

Motss content: There are more firemen in the audience than on the stage.

Disclaimer: I am not associated in any way with the OCBA or UCIBC or Burn
Survivors. I went to the show two years ago and had fun and got GREAT
photos.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Surnames (was: TERMS OF ENDEARMENT)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 17:50:50 GMT


In article <1992Sep25.194615.3005@fig.citib.com>
glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:

>So what could we do with "Parkinson" and "Ouzts" 
>(pronounced "oots")?

Gad, Parkinouzts, it's wonderful!

"Hey I haven't seen the Parkinouztses in *ages*, have you?"
"Oh lissen, honey, have *I* got a story about *them*!"

Faabb-u-lous!

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 00:08:26 GMT

ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:

>In article <1992Oct1.165759.6657@nevada.edu> balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks) writes:
>>
>>Andeyo Atashi!  KOREAN!  

>Sore demo ii.  anata wa ne!

Domo tally vous!
	
--
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			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Madonna bashing
Date: Fri,  2 Oct 92 21:58:45 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <67023@cup.portal.com> <1992Oct2.035242.29037@spdcc.com>

Steve Dyer writes:
>I'd love to know why the Lone Star, for all its faux
>outlaw posing, seems as prim as a ladies auxiliary meeting
>when it comes to getting down and dirty.

1) You haven't been there at the right times, obviously.

2) There's the little problem of the bar getting BUSTED if
   The Officialdom chooses the wrong moment to visit.  _My
   Place_ up on Folsom has recently been busted for patrons
   doin' the nasty in dark corners of the establishment.

My feeling is that if the situation in SF was such that all the
ABC was concerned with was keeping booze out of the hands of
minors and not policing the behaviour of the patrons, you'd
probably see an orgy out on the patio, with Rick (the owner)
cheering it on, possibly participating.  Unfortunately, it 
seems that the Officialdom in SF is on a kick to stamp out
foolin' around in fag bars.
 
() On his belief in heaven or hell: I don't want to express
() an opinion. You see, I have friends in both places.
()      -- Mark Twain
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cjlee@netcom.com (Caroline Jean Lee)
Subject: Re: Sir Justin the Clueless
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 08:02:26 GMT

In article <zj7qbznf@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>>     Saint Thomas Aquinas was born in 1225 and died in 1274.  He was a
>>very brilliant kindly man, an Italian by birth.  He enjoyed eating
>>immensely.  [nice ambiguity of division there.]  He became so heavy that
>>his stomach kept him so far away from tables that he could not reach his
>>plate.  He was practical as well as brilliant and kindly and quickly
>>solved his problem...
>
>>[ok, kids, what would *you* do here?  solve saint tommy's problem
>>and win a free pod.]
>
>Simple.  Build a table with a C-shaped top, allowing ingress to the
>middle of the table, and high enough so that his belly lies below
>the surface.

You are perhaps thinking of a high chair?

Caroline


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
Subject: Re: My Very Own Out List
Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:45:48 GMT

In article <10462@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> timbomb@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>I should add, that the name "Out List" is misleading, since some of
>these folk are still very much in the closet.

Well Timbo... it depends on the way you read it and define it.
Many of the actors and personalities are "out" to the gay
community, but they shy away from broadcasting it to the
general public because Hollywood wants it that way (bad for
profits in redneck territory!).

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