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From: anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman)
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the Sugar Bowl from a Miami fan
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:46:37 GMT

Some *civilized* thoughts from a Bama fan on:

|> Some thoughts on the Sugar Bowl from a Miami fan:
|> 
|> The game was a major disappointment, not just because we lost but also because
|> it seemed that the team was not prepared to play.  I have to admit that I
|> didn't think that Alabama could move the ball on Miami.  

Neither did the Canes, THAT'S why they got whupped so bad. It became apparent
very early in the game that the Canes were believing their own bullshit and
thought all they had to do was show up to win. The Canes came to New Orleans to
collect their championship trophy, Bama came to play FOOTBALL.


|> I hope no more Miami quaterbacks win the Heisman.  However, a lot of the
|> comments in the net I have seen on Gino seem completely uncalled for. 

I agree completely. Gino is a good quarterback who got his head rattled. I find
it disgusting that some netters (mostly Canes fans I might add) are trying to
denigrate Gino's abilities and blame him for a loss that was caused by
the Canes' general lack of maturity and focus going into a championship game.


|> A lot is said about Miami's home field advantage when they play in the
|> Orange Bowl, but no one seems to care that the SEC enjoys the same
|> advantage when they play in the Sugar.

I think there is a difference. The Orange bowl is in *Miami*. There's no SEC team
even located in New Orleans. True, the SEC champ does go to the Sugar Bowl, but
that's no real home field advantage, IMO.

|> Why don't Alabama fans give some credit to the coach that recruited most
|> of the players responsible for their unbeaten season?  With all their
|> accusations of Miami being classless, their treatment of Curry doesn't
|> seem too classy to me.  

Amen to that!! I had the unusual opportunity of going to Georgia Tech when Curry
coached there, and transfering to Alabama only to see Curry coach there, too. I
thought Curry was an excellent coach, once he had a strong program like Bama's
behind him. I
think Curry got shafted by the Alabama powers that be. His record was damn good.
the only fault IMO he had with Bama fans, and these are BIG faults at U of A, is:

	A) He wasn't an Alabama Alumnus
	B) He couldn't beat Auburn -- MAJOR Fault!


Anthony
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: A&M - OU in '93
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:43:07 GMT

It's official...

OU released its schedule yesterday, and it includes a game vs.
A&M on September 11 in Norman.  It will be OU's second game,
but their home opener.  I believe it will be A&M's second game
as well.

OU also plays TCU, Tulsa, and Texas as non-conference opponents.
Sure appears that they like those SWC teams!  Are we headed 
toward a merger???

And does this mean that OU is automatically disqualified from
the MNC because of their scheduling?   :^)
-- 
Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: Re: Quit pickin' on the poor 'Canes
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:02:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.185017.15950@infonode.ingr.com> tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com writes:

>|> Alabama!!   You better hope we don't see you in the Sugar Bowl next year!
>|> 
>|> ;7)
>|> 
>	Listen up asshole.  Your canes lost. Can't you get that through
>	your thick head. You lost then and you would lose today and the
>	next and so on.  Next year will be a different team.  THIS YEAR
>	ALABAMA IS THE MNC AND THERE ISN'T ONE DAMN THING YOU OR ALL OF
>	YOUR BLOWHARD FRIENDS CAN DO ABOUT IT. SO, shut the f*ck up and
>	take it like a man and not a mouse.  Like someone else said,
>	'if miami doesn't give us respect, we'll take it from them.'
>	You can dish it out, but you sure can't take it.  We DID take
>	it for a long time. Take your medicine and sit there and love
>	it or I'll send Curry and Copeland over to give it to you 8^)

You obviously can't read (the smiley).  You are just another unintelligent
herd type who participates in this flame-bullshit to boost your insecure
ego.  You love electronic news because it allows to hide behind an ASCII
file while taunting anything anti-Tide -- congradulations, you are a man.

I don't (openly) participate in this team-bashing, bragging, woofing-
whatever, and I'm sorry I encouraged an asshole like you to open his 
big fucking mouth.

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From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Sugar Bowl Thoughts
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:41:18 GMT

News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <79117@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6249c@prism.gatech.EDU (Bin Chen) writes:

| In article <79058@hydra.gatech.EDU> (Mark Mitchell) writes:
| >The silence from the net.blowhards is nearly deafening. 
| 
| I guess Encore lost their newsfeed huh?

No, Mark I just got back to work today from the New Orleans.  Bama won
it on the field.   Congratulations to Bama and the SEC for all the
the bowl wins.  Bama D was the best.  

Miami is 29-1 in the last thirty games.  Miami could have gone in the
History Books as the best dynasty in a ten year span.  But, it was 
not to be.  Miami is still one of the best dynasty that ever played the
game. Since Miami's worst season was 1984, we will have many more chances
to set the record again in the next few years.  

Miami has finished the last seven years a #3 are better in the polls.
Every Miami freshman class for the last 12 years has got a least one 
National Championship ring.

Now the players have more incentive to hit the weight room and get ready
for next year.  Miami will be back, even better than before. 

Still proud to be a Cane's fan.

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Miami 1993 Here we come again. Catch Us if you can.
From: jdavidso@teknowledge.com (Jim Davidson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Conference Strength
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:10:31 GMT
Organization: Cimflex Teknowledge Corporation, Knowledge Systems Division
In-reply-to: moores@csugrad.cs.vt.edu's message of 09 Jan 93 14:34:45 EST

In article <C0LqDx.MBC@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> moores@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Stephen Moore) writes:

> I tried to point out that when the teams in your conference are weak then
> you can afford to play tougher non-conference schedule.  I pointed out that
> the SEC is so tough that its not as easy for them to find tougher
> non-conference teams as it is for the PAC-10.

???  Huh?  Looking at the final AP top 25, there are some SEC teams, and a
whole bunch that are *not* in the SEC.  Are you saying that the SEC was *so*
tough that they couldn't stoop to playing any of those teams?  This doesn't
make any sense.

> I've read people spouting that you can't judge a conference by bowl records
> and winning percentages.  Then how do you judge the best conference?

Most people look at the record.  The Pac 10 came up flat in the bowls :-(, but
overall had a very good year.

-Jim

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Scott Bentley (was: Re: ND recruiting)
Summary: FSU, ND, or Colorado
Organization: Buffalo Stampede
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:47:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.143708.14634@wl.com> wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski) writes:
...
>Also it is crucial to get a quality kicker like the kid from Colorado.
>I guess he is also a baseball player who has been misinformed that ND
>is going to be dropping their baseball program. That would be funny
>since it just got to the NCAA playoffs last yearand they are building a
>new stadium.  I'm sure that it was just an honest mistake by some other
>schools representative.

The kicker's name is Scott Bentley, from Overland HS.  He told the
Denver Post on Sunday that would not make a final visit to Nebraska and
Penn State and would decide among Colorado, Notre Dame, and Florida
State.

Bentley visited FSU over the weekend, met with Bobby Bowden for nearly
an hour and a half, and will be visited at home soon by Bowden.  Bentley
said, "It was great.  Everybody has a stereotype of Florida State, that
it's just a plain old football school.  But it's really, really family
oriented [gag].  I felt really welcome there.  I felt like I fit in."

Colorado's baseball program is only a club sport.

I think FSU is going to get the place kicker they've been dreaming of.
-- 
Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: gibson@b11.b11.ingr.com (Stanley)
Subject: Alabama football
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:17:32 GMT

Netters should know that some bama fans are enjoying the season
without talking down the other team.

I have been a bama fan for a long time. I followed them with a casual
interest through the national championships of the mid 60's. I recall a 
particular game during one of the "down" years that followed. 
In 1970 the Tide was 6-5 and in the Bluebonnet Bowl against Oklahoma. 
The sooners were having their way with bama in the first half something 
like 21 or 24 to nothing and they were headed for another score. Bama 
called timeout and the entire defense came over to the sideline. I remember
11 young men standing motionless in a semi-circle around an animated figure
in a hat like my grandfather wore. The sooners were shut down,  bama came 
back to tie the game 24-24 and I was a bama fan.

I don't have anything bad to say in public about miami.The Bear wouldn't 
have, Gene Stalling didn't,  and to paraphrase another very great man "you
don't have to tell them,  they already know."

bama played miami and the game was/is its own best statement.

Roll Tide!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Fiesta Bowl prognosticators' review
Reply-To: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Organization: Buffalo Stampede
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:44:31 GMT


Here are the Fiesta Bowl predictions of various posters last month:

>From: v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts)
>Prediction:  Syracuse 36, Colorado 21.

>From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
>Colorado 21 Syracuse 17

>From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
>Prediction: Colorado 24, Syracuse 21.

>From: rownd@moby.micro.umn.edu (Brooks Kerry Rownd)
>Syracuse 31  Colorado 17 	Say 'em now, eat 'em later...we'll see...

>From: mjw@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (mark.j.wyman)
>	Syracuse 28 - Colorado 10

Mr. Rownd's prediction of victory by Syracuse was the closest to the
actual 26-22 final, but he misjudged the margin of victory.  The best
pick I saw was in an e-mail message I received (but failed to save) by
Jeff ???  (RNJX@???): Syracuse 27, Colorado 19.  Too bad I can't
identify him to receive his fabulous prize :-)
-- 
Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: cat@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Felix Tsai)
Subject: northwestern men's basketball
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:59:39 GMT

To Whom It May Concern:

Could someone please send me the schedule for Northwestern Men's Basketball
this season?  Thanks.

Felix
cat@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
We may not be the best, but we suck wind just like the rest.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: Marvin Jones to NFL
Organization: Florida State University Department of Know-it-alls
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 17:57:25 GMT

In article <BILLMS.93Jan12082600@gip.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.235957.26453@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>
>   In article <BILLMS.93Jan11144121@gip.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>   >In article <1993Jan6.040421.5481@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>   >
>   >   In article <1993Jan5.144901.14753@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> wcd2z@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (William Camden Daniel) writes:
>   >   >Well folks at FSU (not Fresno State), your precious Marvin
>   >
>   >   *SIGH* We'll miss him.
>   >
>   >   >Jones is gone.  Hopefully your defense will be able to back up
>   >   >that Number One ranking which it will have at the beginning of
>   >
>   >   What number one ranking? 'Bama will be number one next year.
>   >
>   >Thats twice you've said that, so I guess your not joking.  I thought the
>   >strength of Bama was all going to the pros, i.e. Teague, Curry, & Copeland.
>   >Who is left?
>
>   What, you're kidding right? Bama has LOADS of talent just waiting to kick
>   some butt...yeah, that's it. And their recruting class....OUCH...there will
>   be at LEAST 4 freshmen who will start for the Tide...yeah...and they will
>   all be named first team all-americans too. 
>
>   ROLL TIDE....get that #1 pre-season ranking (hey, anyone but FSU)
>
>Ahh, you were kidding.  Got it.  Too many names, it gets tough to remember
>who roots for their posting sight, against it, is neutral, or actually
>*works* for a living.

As it applies to me: yes, no, no, I take great personal offense to that
implication...I am a *student* for a living! ;)

>
>Bill
>--
>-------------------------------
>	Bill Mangione-Smith
>	billms@eecs.umich.edu

Kevin

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kevin@cadzook.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Kevin.Dailey)
Subject: Miami Fans
Summary: Never had a chance Miami!
Keywords: Down with the 'canes! 
Organization: NCR MCPD Columbia SC.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 18:29:46 GMT



	Miami Fans, 



	                 Too Bad, So Sad!!  Better Luck Next Year!!

	

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Re: Quit pickin' on the poor 'Canes
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:48:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.121723.6777@bnr.ca>
aissa@batph84.bnr.ca (Al Issa) writes:
> In article <1993Jan5.185017.15950@infonode.ingr.com>,
> tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com (Tony Bowman) writes:
> > Listen up asshole.  Your canes lost. Can't you get that through
> > your thick head. You lost then and you would lose today and the
> > next and so on.  ...
> > 
> Is this an example of Alabama's "more-class-than-the-rest" fans?

Dear net.people:

    Please note that most of the obnoxious pro-Bama, anti-Miami talk is
coming from a single source, as well as from some sources that are not
even Bama fans.  I encourage you to use a sample size larger than 1 when
forming your impression of all Bama fans.

    Most of my articles were generously basted with smiley sauce (there
I go with the barbeque analogies) and were intended to lighten the mood
of an otherwise hostile discussion.  I hope I have not offended anyone
(even Yankees); however, if you were offended, please accept this bottle
of smiley sauce and my most sincere apologies.
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Be sure to enjoy with plenty of fresh-brewed iced tea! :-)

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Quit pickin' on the poor 'Canes
X-Xxdate: Mon, 4 Jan 93 16:46:03 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Company
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:49:50 GMT

In article <ASH.93Jan4144721@ulysses.mr.ams.com> Alan Harder,
ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com writes:
>Come on, people, leave those poor 'canes fans alone.  Yeah, they were
>overconfident, and yes, they talked trash, and ok, they didn't give
>Alabama any respect.  And yes, they deserve to eat huge mounds of
>crow, and sure, Gino didn't deserve the Heisman.  But are those good
>reasons to pick on them now?

After watching the Canes players talk trash, brag, taunt, walk out of
social gatherings, and commit other childish unsportsmanlike conduct
over the last few years, I say this thumping is sweet as honey. Maybe
now they will climb under a rock with their traps shut for awhile.

It is nice to have a classy national champion again.

Norman

Dr. Norman J. LaFave
Senior Engineer
Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Company




When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
                               Hunter Thompson
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell)
Subject: Southern Mississippi (was Re: Sugar Bowl Question)
Reply-To: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:09:43 GMT

|> In article <1993Jan6.213407.3844@b11.b11.ingr.com>
|> guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell) writes:
|> 
|> > Another one of my favorite teams is Southern Miss.  They play a IA
|> > schedule, most of their games on the road, and can *always* be counted
|> > on to take you to task.  I thought they'd make a good addition to the
|> > SEC. Enough rambling.
|> 
|> I also like Southern Miss, despite the fact that they tend to upset
|> teams at the least convenient time (as if any upset is ever convenient,
|> but you know what I mean).  I've always wondered why Bama always plays
|> them at home.  Do they not have a reasonable size stadium in Hatiesburg?
|> If not, then why not play in Jackson every other year like we used to
|> do with MSU?

    It seems as though, for whatever reason, the only way they can play the major
powers year in and year out is to play away (including Alabama).  I really don't
know why and I'd be interested to learn.  They could take the easy way out and
play lesser teams but they continue to play the tough guys every year.  It shows
in their play and is the major reason that they are capable of the "upset" at
any given time.  I watched them play the Thursday night game on ESPN this year
against East Carolina (away, though ECU can hardly be considered a "major power")
and I expected a good, close game.  USM controlled that one start to finish.

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com  or  ...uunet!ingr!b11!mspe5!guy
       "Gino, we're not in Kansas anymore!"  --Lamar Thomas

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: s5ugxk@almserv.uucp (Girish Kumtheker)
Subject: Pl explain the Bama penalty in Sugar Bowl
Organization: Fannie Mae
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:37:39 GMT

Hi,


Can somebody explain the penalty given to bama,
resulting in a loss of 15 yards ( not that it mattered !).

I thought there should have off setting penalties, if ANY !
I mean 15 yards for twirling the football after touchdown ?
You would call that celebration ?? Give me a break !


Girish Kumthekar

s5ugxk@fnma.com



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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka)
Subject: Re: Did that really just happen? (was Re: Feeding a blowhard . . .)
Keywords: One of the "J's"
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 07:47:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.165452.5159@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
>Guy McConnell writes:
>
>>Ask Lamar "Loudmouth" Thomas who had two big fumbles.  He was run down *from
>>behind* and robbed of the ball, like taking candy from a baby.  As long as he
>>lives, no matter what else he accomplishes, he'll *never* forget that one.
>
>In all honesty, that play was perhaps the most spectacular I have ever seen a 
>defender make in college football.  First, iwas amazed that teague even caught 
>up with Thomas, but then to simply strip him of the ball and still have his 
>ballance and the strength to reverse dirrection and keep running.  Too bad it 
>was all called back on the penalty.  But in the long run, Alabama wound up in a
>better possition as a result of the penalty since the defense stopped Miami 
>(Fl.) in their tracks anyhow and forced the punt.  It was that kind of game for
>Alabama - even when they screwed up a BIG play with a penalty, they still came 
>out ahead.
>
>Congrats to the Tide on a fine season and a well-deserved championship!
>
>     - Pat

Ditto!  The thing about that play that most impressed me was that Bama really
needed it BECAUSE of the penalty. Miami had a free play because of the
defensive offsides penalty, AND they completed that long pass for a huge
first down.  If Teague had simply played to prevent the TD, and either tackled
or forced Thomas out of bounds - Miami would have taken the play, and been
in scoring range. But since Teague stole the ball, Miami had to take the
5 yards, which still left them deep in there own territory with 3rd down.
Where they got shut down and were forced to punt (as Pat already said).

So that spectacular play didn't go to waste. I still can't believe it.
Teague instantly turned a huge 1st down into a mere 5 yards and no 1st!
Nothing could go wrong for 'Bama.  Can't say that I minded much.
Why aren't the J's being good sports and posting some consessions here?
Guess they didn't make it out of N'awlins alive!

Good luck to all in the new year, and in the next football season!



-- 
Greg Sroka
Menlo Park, CA