From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: THIRD TRIMESTER ABORTIONS
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:15:05 GMT
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In <1992Aug26.022053.8300@crd.ge.com> keegan@pan.crd.ge.com writes:

> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
> -> keegan@pan.crd.ge.com writes:
> -> > HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
> -> > -> In <1992Aug25.121138.22714@crd.ge.com> keegan@pan.crd.ge.com writes:
> -> > -> > HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
> -> > -> > ->   Wrong, RVW breath!  You're on.  That is,
> -> > -> > -> in fact, exactly what I support.  Now,
> -> > -> > -> please start supporting a ban on 3rd
> -> > -> > -> trimester abortions.
> -> > -> > 
> -> > -> > it's interesting watching you guys trade away
> -> > -> > the rights of women.
> -> > -> 
> -> > ->   Do grow up.
> -> > 
> -> > why is that, jimmie? don't adults comment on two
> -> > men publically trading away the rights of all
> -> > women? or is it just that you had no idea what you
> -> > were saying in the first place?
> -> 
> ->   Your comments are not adult but in fact rather
> -> foolish, as your use of the (IE) ending of my name
> -> indicates a desire to be insulting, not clarifying.
> 
> are you referring to my comments on your willingness to
> trade away the rights of women, jimmy? how would you
> have expressed it, jimmy? oh, do accept my apologies
> for writing jimmie, rather than jimmy.

  <*chuckle*>  My.  All these references to my name.  Ahh, having trouble
remembering it?  I mean, it IS in the Att. lines...

> ->   My "trading" is in fact a expression of support
> -> for RVW and the FOCA.
> 
> do you see your quote above jimmy, the one which reads,
> "Now, please start supporting a ban on 3rd trimester
> abortions?" do you remember writing that? do you think
> that your quote is synonymous with "i support RVW and
> the FOCA?"

  Hmmm.  The FOCA and RVW both forbid any restriction prior to viability,
basically prior to 3rd trimester, and allow them afterwards.  I like the
idea.  You did not answer my question from the previous post.  Do YOU
support the FOCA and RVW?
 
> -> All our rights are trade-offs, Mr. Keegan.  Giving
> -> more to some means taking away from others in many
> -> cases.
> 
> it's not your rights you're giving away, jimmy; the
> rights you're giving away are rightrs held by people
> who might become pregnant. you are not one of them, are
> you? even if you were, who empowered you to give away
> someone else's rights, jimmy

  The US Constitution allows me to support via my vote and my voice laws and
acts which may effect millions, if not potentially billions, of people.  You
have that same power.  

> -> > -> > do you have special powers to do this or do
> -> > -> > you think any male has the power to barter
> -> > -> > away the rights of all females?

[my original attempt at light-heartedness deleted.  At least Larry liked it.]

> -> > do you think making jokes about your willingness
> -> > to trade away the rights of others will fool
> -> > people.  (actually, it probably will fool many of
> -> > the fools who have been posting to this group
> -> > lately.)
> -> 
> ->   Actually, I was not trying to fool anyone, just
> -> treating your commentary with contempt.
> 
> it wasn't my commentary you treated with contempt
> jimmy. it was women you treated with contempt;
> something you've done on several
> occasions.

  In YNSHO, of course.  If my disagreeing with someone over a moral point is
showing contempt, then so be it.

> -> Learn that democracy oft-times requires trade-offs.
> 
> you can't trade something you don't have, jimmy. the
> rights you're trying to give away are someone else's
> rights.

  You obviously have no knowledge of history or the legal system.  People's
rights have been traded away by others for centuries.  In any event, Mr. Keegan,
many women in this group support RVW and the FOCA.  I have decided I must do
so as well.  Supporting both these items carries the high likelihood that, in
guarunteeing some rights, others are put up for grabs.  If you prefer, and can
present a cogent argument for it, as opposed to being a smart-ass, I suppose I
could see my clear to OPPOSE these items.

  You are welcome to try.

semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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