From: adwright@athena.mit.edu (Andrew D. Wright)
Subject: Re: Why must you act this way?
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:10:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.181314.9181@ra.royalroads.ca> mlee@post.Royal
Roads.ca (Malcolm Lee) writes:
>
>In article <1993Jan7.024748.8687@nwnexus.WA.COM>, pcrayne@halcyon
.com (Peter C. Crayne) writes:
>|> In article <1993Jan6.164911.3034@ra.royalroads.ca> mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) writes:
>|> >
>|> >When one wishes to address the Creator of the universe, it 
>|> >must be done with a 
>|> >humble heart.
>|> 
>|> Why?
>|> 
>|> >               You don't just say "Yo dude!  What's shakin?".
>|> 
>|> Why not? If there truly is a god in the Christian sense, it 
>|> is surely
>|> capable of understanding what I mean. If it is omnicient, it 
>|> understands
>|> all about me & my background, and will know my intent, 
>|> regardless of my
>|> words. Why can't I just say: "Yo supernatural big guy! I'd 
>|> like a few
>|> things cleared up. Why is there so much suffering in your 
>|> creation?"
>|> 
>I was trying to illustrate the fact that one should be in a 
>humble frame of mind when addressing God.  It's not like talking
>to one of your surf buddies.  The words don't matter so much as 
>the attitude.  God knows what you are feeling and that is what 
>matters.

How fucking humble is humble enough?  The idea of a god that is
conversant with his creations is a dreg of mule shwitt.  What
Christians do is, sift through their thoughts, and selectively
label certain ones as sendings from the Loadd on high, and others
as coming straight from the self's sinful core.  It's what they
want it to be, that's all.  Nothing so mystical about that.
People will believe in any-goddamn-thing they want to, an' 
they'll believe it with conviction.  Fayeth, they call it,
glorious, mind-bending fayeth.  Fayeth's great.  It can't be
disproven, and it feeds itself.
(With eyes shut tight against cold reality, and head bowed 
toward unworthy genitals)
  Yes, Jesus, we thank you, for you are the son of God, and we
thank you for bestowing this fayeth upon us, so that we are freed
from the stresses and the difficulties of having to think for 
ourselves, yes Jesus, Glory to the son, the father and the holy
spirit, we thank you, Lord Jesus, for ridding us of the burdens
of logic and rationality, and we ask, in Jesus' name, that you
strike down the rebelliousness, the blindness, and the unwilling-
ness to see you, to hear you, that poisons so many of our friends
today, in Jesus name, Ay-men.

>
>
>|> >That might have 
>|> >been the reason you never got an answer or else you might 
>|> >not have been listening.
>|> >We always expect a powerful being to speak to us in a 
>|> >booming voice that will
>|> >crack the skies and peel back the earth when in fact, IMHO, 
>|> >God speaks to us in 
>|> >a soft whisper.  It is only when we silence all our other 
>|> >thoughts that we can
>|> >truly hear him.

Now isn't that special?

>|> 
>|> Again I say: Why? I don't expect thunder & lightning, and a 
>|> booming
>|> voice. But, if it is god, why doesn't he create in me the 
>|> unequivocal
>|> knowledge that it is him speaking, and not the cold medicine 
>|> I took that
>|> morning?
>|>
>Inside everyone of us is a small part of Him that responds when 
>He speaks.  And so, He did put something in us to do this.
>

It wouldn't be the colon, perchance, now would it?  Pity, really,
I just had that blastard removed ...

> 
>|> >God loves, Man kills.
>|> 
>|> Man kills, god (if it exists) created killers.
>|> -Pete
>|> pcrayne@halcyon.com
>|> "I can't think of any clever quotes to put here." -Me
>God loves.  Man kills because he chooses to kill.  God gave us 
>the ability to create and destroy as we see fit.  What we choose
>to do is left to us.  Humans prefer to blame God for all the 
>wrongs of this world.  Kind of hypocritical when most people 
>don't believe in God in the first place.
>
>Thank you for your response.
>
>God loves, Man kills.

Oh! God doesn't kill, he just orders men to kill!  That's
something entirely different! How could I have been so blind?
Read the fucking Old Testament, buttlips.
"Well, the Midianites were ungodly heathens, the continuous lot
of them, they brought the Lord's wrath on themselves."
"Even the babies and the young female virgins?"
"Now wait a minute, the young female virgins were not killed,
that's libel.  No, they were given to the young male gods-
people mercenaries to do with as they saw fit, in the Lord's
name!"
"Ah!"

Yours in Jesus H. Christ,

Andy
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