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From: kal@vaxeline.ftp.com (Kelleigh A. Lewis)
Subject: Re: Does anyone remeber.............?
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:29:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.174451.9457@doug.cae.wisc.edu> chapek@cae.wisc.edu (Dave Chapek) writes:
>
>I actually liked SCV's musical book better in 88 than 89.  I can't put my
>finger on it, but although it was certainly performed better a year later,
>I still found 88 more musically spine-tingling.  Every time I hear the
>company front at the end of the show I get shivers.  Music like that makes
>drum corps great.
>
>>>>They also marched better in '88. Did anyone see the snare line in '89? 
After SCV was caught with a couple of over aged member, they left a blank in
the hornline and snare line. At one point in the show their snare line was 
bumping into eachother. I could'nt really understand why they did'nt close the
blank!

...kel
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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Subject: West shows, archiving
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 18:49:59 GMT

In article <1aW102Mr10J001@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> nih00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.010047.23699@beaver.cs.washington.edu> dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn) writes:
>>In article <3a7a02ftc3XV00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> nih00@uts.amdahl.com (NEIL) writes:
>>>In previous article, nielsen@thestick.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>>>>
>>>The following are some of the local shows this year
>>>
>>>	May 2		Concord Pavilion  (standstill concert)
>>>	June 13		Concord
>>>	June 19		Clovis
>
>	June 20		Riverside
>	June 21		Costa Mesa
>
>>>	June 24		Modesto
>>>	June 26		Sacramento
>>>	June 27		Pacific Procession
>
>	June 27		Reno
>
>>>	July 10		Stockton
>>>	July 11		Concord
>>>
>>
>
>Donald, I may have my people mixed up but aren't a director of a
>northwest corp?  If so, will we see you in Northern Cal again this
>year?


It's good to see that there will be SoCal shows.

To clear things up, yes, I was the assistant director of the Northern
Lights, based in Des Moines, WA, but the time demands were a little
too much for a graduate student, so I am no longer with them.  I have
no idea whether they will make the trek to Nor Cal again this year.
Membership is at about 20 people for the corps.

To follow up on my VK comment, I saw an ad in Drum Corps World for
the Drum Corps East Championships on July 18 (not to be confused with
the DCI East Regional Championship on Aug 1).  VK is scheduled to perform
in that show.  Wild.  Wouldn't it be weird if they won the DCE
championship?  Pretty unlikely, but the thought is amusing.

Finally, is anyone archiving these posts?  There seems to be some
good info that might be worth saving permanently for future generations
of alt.drumcorps readers.

-- Donald
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: More DCI predictions (long)
From: ebath@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:39:40 CST
Organization: University of Missouri-Kansas City


My picks for the coming season:

1st will go to either Santa Clara or The Cadets.

	SCV will either win or die by Fiddler.  If, as I expect,
	crowd starts a standing ovation after each note, noone will
	stand a chance.  The only chance for a competitive finals is
	if the crowd gets so excited with anticipation for finally 
	getting to hear Bottle Dance in person that, when the stadium
	is still standing, the excitement will instantly die.

	I think that the Cadets have the most exciting musical program
	for the coming year, and (thanks to Cadets' newsletters) the 
	drill and overall program sound like they should be most 
	excellent (as usual).

The remaining top six or seven will still be in the same group.

	Star won't get the recogition that they deserve after this 
	past year.  I doubt that any "real" Cavaliers fans will 
	even clap at the end of Star's show.  For those of you who
	didn't go to Dallas this past year or Mid-America, read my
	other post.

	Blue Devils. Let me just say two words:  Barbara Streisand.
	Unless Cuban Fire _REALLY_ cooks, BD will have a hard time
	mainting fifth.

	Cavaliers.  I'm not sure.  After all of these years of Rutter,
	the crowd may not be able to follow the show! ha ha.  Of course,
	now that Zingalli is gone, the Cavie's have the best overall
	drill of any corps.  Brubaker is a real genius who has been
	overshadowed by Zingalli's flash.  This is my one wild card
	corps.  Somewhere between 1st and 5th.

	Phantom.  Since I still don't know their show for this year,
	I can't really guess how they will do.  I really don't 
	expect that they will place better than 4th.

	Madison should do pretty well.  "City of Angels" is a very
	exciting show.  Additionally, the fact that they have already
	played it allows them the ability to dig a little deeper into
	the music and find better selections and more powerful arrangements.

The lower portion of the top 12 looks to be very exciting this year.  I
keep getting more excited about the Crossmen every year.  In '89, I
just considered them to be "the corps with the white bells on their 
horns."  This year's show sounds like a potential top 6 finisher.

The only change I expect/hope is that the Sky Ryders will fall from the top
12.  I honestly believe that the only reason that they made it into the 
top 12 was because of the site.  But enough of that.

By the way, I am not nor have I ever marched with a corps.  I am just
a fan who is glad to have this chance to release some pre-season 
excitement!
From: pae@netwise.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Drum Corps Trivia Question
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:22:25 GMT
Reply-To: pae@netwise.UUCP (Phil Earnhardt)
Organization: Netwise, Inc.  Boulder, CO

In article <4dtUue600UhW8643wZ@andrew.cmu.edu> df1y+@andrew.cmu.edu (David James Foremsky) writes:
>I believe the blatant one that you are talking about is Blue Devils 1989
>where the soprano soloist on the Finals broadcast completely gacked
>(technical term) one of the last solos in "If we were in love".

Correct.

>Actually, I don't think that anywhere on the recordings does it say that
>these are the actual Saturday night finals performances.

Nothing like that is said in the recordings. However, this explicit question
was asked in the "Ask DCI" column in DCI Today. Don P., executive director of
DCI, clearly and unambiguously said that what's on the top 12 recordings are
*finals* performances and are never altered. I can probably dig it up if you
like; it was a rather amazing statement for him to utter, since it can be so
easily refuted.

>As a matter of fact, on the recordings it says that the recordings were made
>over the entire quarter/semi/finals cycle.  That is probably meant for the
>recordings of the entire top 25, but I don't see why other shows cannot be
>"ethically" used for the top 12 corps.

I don't have any issue with ethics; I wouldn't even really care if they took
different sections from different parts of corps' performance (as long as they
did it well). My claim was that the official proclimation in the "Ask DCI"
column was incorrect.

In the 1991 recordings, the mix has been changed -- the pit comes through a
lot clearer than before. That's fine with me. I don't know if this is an
"accurate" recording of the show -- you'd only hear the pit that clearly if
you were standing within 20-30 yards of it. From listening to CD recordings
from the early 80s and 70s (Garfield's and BD's and the SCV/BD "championship"
CDs), it's clear that the quality of the recordings has been steadily
improving. The 1991 bunch was the best yet.

>deej.

Phil Earnhardt		pae@netwise.com
Netwise, Inc. 		Boulder, CO  (303) 442-8280
From: cookm@UCS.ORST.EDU (Marietta Cook)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Petition: John Maddon for DCI judge.
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:56:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: talon.1992Apr16.165607.20709
Distribution: usa
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU

>>I'm pretty sure it was the 1986 Blue Devils show.  I have it on
>>tape somewhere.  After the drawing on the screen, Steve Rondinero (sp?)
>>said, "John Madden's got nothing on you."
>>
>>-- Donald
>
>And the winner is
>
>It was 1987 in Kansas City and the show was the Blue  Devils.
>
>Neil

There is just one mistake here.  In '87 DCI was in Madison.  I guess you
either got your cities mixed up, or your years.
					-Marietta

	
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From: windhamj@iaserv.b1.ingr.com (Jeff Windham)
Subject: Rule on Age
Organization: Intergraph Corp., Huntsville AL
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:11:10 GMT

Hello drumcorp fans, family, and friends.  I am so glad that I found this 
group.  I enjoy DCI competitions thouroughly.  I have marched in high school
and college, but never in drumcorp.  I started the 90 season with Spirit but 
unfortunately decided to go to summer school instead of marching and quit.
It is a decision I have regreted ever since so I am writing to found out the 
exact rule on age.  I am 21 and was wandering about when you actualy age out.
Do you have to be 21 at the end of the season or can you turn 22 during the
season and still be eligible?  Any information on this will be very helpful.

I know I could not get on with a larger corp this late, but if I am eligible 
I would at least like to try an join the only corp in Alabama, down in 
Montgomery.

Also, if someone could please post the addres or phone number where I can 
order som of the DCI cd's.  All this talk of Maleguana and Phantom have really
gotten me in the mood to hear them again.

Thanks in advance for all responses.



Jeff "Boner" Windham
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From: mokie@cco.caltech.edu (Michael L. Brundage)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Madison Italian restaurant
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:48:25 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon) writes:

>mokie@cco.caltech.edu said...

>> Madison also has a great Italian restaurant.

>Tell me more!  What's it called and/or where is it?
>                                                              Scott

Oops, sorry, I was referring to Paison's (guess I should have mentioned that)
I went there last summer and loved it :)
		Michael

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From: grs01146@runt.appstate.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Does anyone remeber.............?
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:31:41 GMT
Organization: Appalachian State University

In article <1992Apr11.180519.28963@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, chapek@cae.wisc.edu (Dave Chapek) writes:
> In article <1992Apr11.133309.1@runt.appstate.edu> grs01146@runt.appstate.edu writes:
> 
>>thats why i headed for our buses early while at Rich Stadium :)
> 
> Too bad...  I think the people who leave before the end of the finale miss
> a lot.  The color and the pagrentry of retreat it worth staying for even if
> you don't give a damn about scores (which I think is a GREAT attitude, the
> shows are getting to hard to judge and compare with enormous variation
> in style and demand)  Also, by leaving, you miss another performance when
> the corps does the victory performance!  Whether it is a standstill of
> show excerpts or a full blown marching performance, it is a chance to see
> a corps do what it does best... perform.


	When you march the same conference every night on first tour and 
pretty much see the same corps at regionals, you tend not to care about the 
encore performance at finals as much (I had seen CoB Bernstien show
approximately 24 times that summer and after their championship performance 
i left to beat the crowds back to the erratically laid out parking lot at Rich
Stadium.  Trust me, I know about the color and pageantry of retreat block,
I've stood in several  :) 

ptSLOAN
"sir dolittle the KNYGHTE"

the Carolina Crown drum & bugle corps
Charlotte, North Carolina





> 
> Dave
> -- 
> 
> Dave Chapek
> University of Wisconsin-Madison
> College of Engineering
From: rlapham@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Richard Lapham)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: A proposal (Re: flame)
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:12:07 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

: Jim Clausing	jac@cis.ohio-state.edu Writes:
:    Sure they are.  What was the last high-school with a 2 million dollar/year
:    budget (despite much of the actual work being volunteer)?  Stuff Deleted

Having been on the board of directors of a top 12 Corps, I beg to differ with 
the quote of 2 million dollars a year.  The Star of Indiana has the most bucks
to spend and their huge buget is only 1 million a year.  Most top 12 Corps are
working with a $300,000 to 600,000 dollar per year budget.  Most corps do not
have any corporate sponsors and raise all their funds with fund raisers and
small donations, souvie sales, and performance fee's (usally less than what
gas costs to get to each show). 
  
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From: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Bridgemen 1978?
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:26:01 GMT
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Followup-To: alt.drumcorps
Organization: Arizona State University

In article <83502@bu.edu> huajima@buengf.bu.edu (Jim Huang) writes:
>Wow, a drum corps newsgroup!!! And some Bridgemen related articles!!!
>I was a Bayonne Bridgemen in 1982. We played (1) Theme from "Shaft"
>(2) Sophisticated Ladies (3) Drum Solo (4) On Broadway (5) NewYork,
>New York. If anyone remembers this I will be shocked!!!

Yup, I was there - it *snowed* on us during our rehearsal time in
Montreal stadium.  BD's show in '82 also should rank as one of the
tops of all time.  There lead soprano line was just tits.  It's hard
to believe it was ~30 degrees out when I listen to the albumn.

What the hell happened to the Bridgeman over the next couple years.
They really went down the tubes.  It seemed like they had a lot of
turn-over or something - really young corps in 83-85ish.  Did someting
happen in the organization or what?
--
Harry Koehnemann
koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: mokie@cco.caltech.edu (Michael L. Brundage)
Subject: California performances? 
Summary: Anyone know of any California Drum Corps Performances?
Keywords: `
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 06:20:08 GMT

Hey, what a great newsgroup!

But as to my question: Does anyone out there know of any near future Drum
Corps Performances in the LA/Pasadena area?   A friend (Hey Mike, you reading
this?) and I would sure love to go if there are any coming up, even if we`
have to take off from school for it :)

(Hope we go to the DCI competition in Madison too, but I'm really eager to see
some shows before then!)

Thanks,
	Michael

(Email or post, whichever is more convenient)

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From: producer@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: DCI on PBS
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:27:23 GMT
Reply-To: PRODUCER%oak.decnet@pine.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: The CIRCA Underground

In article <1992Apr7.143200.9413@apollo.hp.com>, afo@apollo.HP.COM (Aaron Oppenheimer) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.094321.10794@husc3.harvard.edu>, fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
>|> Anyway, I've thought that the quality of the broadcasts has drastically
>|> improved since I first started watching in 1983.  I remember in the early
>|> 80's about 1/3 of the entire show was focused on the mallet line in
>|> the front pit!  We would get these stupid shots of one person hitting
etc...

There are (obviously) problems with televising any show of this type.
As a percussionist (NOT drummer) in high school, I marched all four years.
Now that I am in college, I have become a television production major.
Therefore I feel I can speak from both sides of the story.

The main problem is directors that have no background with music. Great
tv directors that dont know anything about marching CANT do a good job
because they just don't know what's going on. All they know is what
they see on the monitors in fromt of them. A tight close up of somebody
is much more likelyto be used than a great big full push at the end of
a number. 

I have had the honor of directing a six camera shoot of the FAMU band.
I sat down with the director and a show book and he showed me when and where
all the cool stuff happened. I didn't know the music but I can count
measures and identify patterns. I had a camera ready for each one 
and had a lot of time to get my own shots.

so, i think that all the contestants ought to provide a show book and
a time index of basically what the music directors think the tv
directors should concentrate on. All the directors I know would be
most greatful for the information, and if you told them not to 'share'
their books with anyone else, they wouldn't. 

That's what I think.
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: afo@apollo.HP.COM (Aaron Oppenheimer)
Subject: Re: DCI on PBS
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:02:14 GMT

In article <8dsaZfq00iV14_21RV@andrew.cmu.edu>, df1y+@andrew.cmu.edu (David James Foremsky) writes:
|> On 07-Apr-92 in Re: DCI on PBS               
|> user Aaron Oppenheimer@apollo writes:
|> >my mom! I was in Garfield's pit 83-86 and got a lot of air time,
|> >especially in the '85 telecast. You wanted to see the slugs marching
|> >around on the field? Get real! :)
|> 
|> Yeah.  Just loved that 1985 telecast.  I believe that was the broadcast
|> where a special effect was aiming the camera at the business end of a
|> drum in the pit.  You couldn't really see anything except for a vague
|> shadow, and probably missed a lot of cool drill in the process.
|> 
|> all in all, I guess I would rather have Gowdy's inane comparisons to
|> great football teams than ~30 seconds of camera work of a drum.
|> 
|> deej.

During prelims, we had clear heads on those drums (they're called
'bombasts') and the camera guy did the 'stick the camera in the drum'
trick, and totally freaked out the guy playing it. So we put white heads
on the drums, but he didn't get the message.

We used to have trouble at smaller shows too, where a local tv station
was broadcasting the show. We'd have people with cameras and/or mics
actually in the middle of the pit, oblivious to the fact that we were
trying to get from one end to the other in 16 beats. Yikes.

-A


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From: xklh@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Krista Lyn Haggert)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: A proposal (Re: flame)
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:39:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Apr8.203940.28505
Reply-To: xklh@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

There is a tremendous difference between drumcorps and marching bands.  I
was in the Illiana Lancers the fall winter and spring before they folded.  
(What a strong drumcorps.  If anyone has ever heard of the Lancers I'd love to
hear it.)  Anyway, I marched GUARDSMEN '86 and '87.  I was in marching 
band those same years.  Unless you have marched in both you DO NOT know the 
difference.  Most marching bands lack the discipline that drumcorps have.
The drills, the music, even the style of marching is different.  The
dedication, the sweat, the work.  Don't get me wrong, I know that there
are some marching bands out there that work hard too, but not as hard, in 
my opinion, as drumcorps.  I would do anything to be able to march in A Class
drumcorps again. (F.Y.I. a knee injury is what gave my an early age out)
From: nih00@uts.amdahl.com (NEIL)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: the past
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:35:17 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In previous article, nielsen@thestick.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>
>would love to hear more info on the Concord show!
>
The following are some of the local shows this year

	May 2		Concord Pavilion  (standstill concert)
	June 13		Concord
	June 19		Clovis
	June 24		Modesto
	June 26		Sacramento
	June 27		Pacific Procession
	July 10		Stockton
	July 11		Concord

Enjoy


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From: gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon)
Subject: bottle dance
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:38:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Colorado State University


> BTW, when was the last time the Bottle Dance was preformed? 78 or 81??

neither: 1982.  Montreal.  They phased it real bad because of the
acoustics, and I think that's why Gail Royer is hesitant to do that again.

Scott

Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon)
Subject: best cities for finals
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:38:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Colorado State University


Michaelw@coil.caltech.edu asks:

> Out of curiosity, who around here attends DCI finals regularly?  And
> also, of those of you who go, which stadium (and city) is the best in terms
> of anything?  Presentation of the show, seating, etc..

I have attended the last six finals.  In my opinion, Madison was by far
the best CITY for the show.  It's a small, safe, attractive college town
with a great campus and a neat downtown, and everything's walking distance.
The people in the town really get into it, and the parade is always great.
The best stadium is in Kansas City.  But I still had more fun in Madison.
I can't wait for this august!!

I found Dallas to be the worst city.  I felt personally in danger on several
occasions (the stadium is in a bad part of town), there was no parade, and
the heat was miserable.  Buffalo was better than Dallas, but also not great.
On a scale of one (worst) to ten (best):

           10 Madison
            8 Kansas City
            3 Buffalo
            1 Dallas
                                                  Scott

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