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From: matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: PIRACY v2.00
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:04:42 GMT
Organization: The DSV institute of Stockholm, Sweden
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Morten Leikvoll (leikvoll@hsr.no) wrote:

: Would there exist so many and cheap computers if piracy didn't exist?
: 
: If we are talking about reducing piracy because the software companies had
: trouble with their economy, THEN I would support anti-piracy.

Listen, if we are concerned about the future of *Amiga* programs we
definitely have to buy the software. There are more PCs in the world,
therefore there are more people buying PC-programs.

I'm not saying that you'd buy all your programs (don't hit me) but I
know several Amiga owners who NEVER buy their programs. That's bad.
Just imagine if every Amiga owner in the UK would buy one single program
each, that's over one million Amiga programs, just like that.

So if you like a certain program, buy it. Especially if you'd like newer
versions to be realeased. Gosh, I think it's so obvious.

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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re:  68060
Distribution: world
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:08:09 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <17592@mindlink.bc.ca> Lloyd_Sumpter@mindlink.bc.ca (Lloyd Sumpter) writes:
>> Giancarlo Castrataro writes:
>>
>> Msg-ID: <BxsIHo.9ED@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
>> Posted: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:46:3
>>
>> Org.  : Indiana University
>>
>>       Let's get one thing clear here:
>> A 25mhz 68040 wipes the floors with a 25mhz 486, and can compete even with
>> 486/33s (is somewhat faster).  I'm not sure, but I think the 68040 is
>> internally 50mhz.  Also, I'd expect the floating point for the 68060 to be
>> good (considering Motorola has always had superior FP).  Let's not forget
>> that if IBM had waited a few months to make their first PC, that they
>> would be using Motorola chips, not Intel (the crap inside).
>> -Giancarlo
>
>   Actually, the problem was that Motorola (like CBM) didn't know how to Play
>The Game. When IBM asked for a CPU, they said "here's ours. It's really
>good." Intel said "Let's discuss this..." and when the doors of the
>smoke-filled room opened, IBM agreed to use ALL Intel chips (including their
>ageing 8-bit 8080 peripherals), and IBM owned 30% of Intel stock.

Actually, IBM wanted to use the 68000, but the support chips weren't ready,
while Intel had the 8088 and it's support chips available.  The 8088 was
released before the 68000.

IBM felt that they had to move fast to get personal computers into the
office, as they perceived a threat from the Apple II and CPM machines.

I know accounting types who, back in 1980, were happily doing their
spreadsheets using Visicalc on an Apple II or a CPM box.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root
From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Correction to AmigaWorld CD-ROM letter, December 1992
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:45:36 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED


	AmigaWorld Magazine printed a letter to the editor from me in their
December 1992 issue.  It is about my survey of Amiga CDROM users which
they mentioned in their September 1992 issue.

	Unfortunately, they edited out the most important part, which was
the whole reason I wrote the letter!!!  It was this:  if anybody wants a
free copy of the survey results, just send e-mail to barrett@cs.umass.edu.

	This is the same survey which is available in the archives of
comp.sys.amiga.reviews on math.uh.edu (anonymous ftp).

                                                        Dan

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From: cbenson@cs.strath.ac.uk (Calum F Benson CS90)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: WordWorth 2 / Final Copy II
Date: 16 Nov 92 11:54:54 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

Somebody talking about Final Copy II said:
>>>this word processor is only available in the US and Canada. It has sizable
>>>fonts. JimP. 

Then I chipped in ..

>> FCII is available in the UK too, with a real British English 
>> spell-checker and thesaurus.

Then Alan said ..

>reformat, or is it just a template that the documents initial properties
>are taken from?
>(I saw it was at the FES, but it didn't have the same publicity as
>WordWorth 2 (specs on flyers and demo on this months Amiga Format),
>and the only ad I've seen didn't have much detail.)

And the consequence was ...

I don't know yet - I'm still waiting on my copy to drop through the letter
box. They _assured_ me it would be here last week, too ... :>



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From: russelld@radical.amigans.gen.nz (Russell Donaldson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Vhat?  No flickerfixer in A4k?  Vhat ees thees?
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:37:39 PST
Organization: Disorganisation!
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Marc N. Barrett (barrett@iastate.edu) wrote:

: west, and I refuse to go out of my way to at enormous costs to me in time
: and money just to see a piece of plastic, silicon, and metal.

  Leave Madonna out of this .. OK !!

--

 + Russell Donaldson  -  Wanganui    New Zealand      Ph (06) 3442275    +
 +		     russelld@radical.amigans.gen.nz			 +
From: chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Piracy
Date: 19 Nov 92 09:05:00 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

SS
Skip, take a chill pill.
 
No one is justifying piracy.  Most people agree that it is wrong.  What people
are pointing out, is that piracy is not theft.  i


it is copyright infringement.  it is still wrong, it is still ILLEGAL, and it
still hurts people.  However, calling piracy theft, is like puting a gun in
your  face, demanding money and calling it shoplifting.  see the picture?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: jmauric@eng.clemson.edu (John Maurice)
Subject: Re: PIRACY v2.00
Reply-To: jmauric@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:33:09 GMT

In article 12506@dartvax.dartmouth.edu, abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
>leikvoll@hsr.no (Morten Leikvoll) writes:
>
>
>>- Would the software companies earn more money if piracy wasn`t going on?
>>- How many hobby users wouldn`t have to find another hobby if piracy wasn`t
>>going on?
>>- How would this turn out on the computer marked?
>
>>For short:
>> Would there exist so many and cheap computers if piracy didn't exist?
>
>>If we are talking about reducing piracy because the software companies had
>>trouble with their economy, THEN I would support anti-piracy.
>
>>They earn so much money, that they don`t know were to put them!
>
>Who earn so much money?? Cinemaware?? Sirius?? Beagle Brothers?? who?? who??
>
>Yours Sincerely,
>Kelvin
>e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu


cinemaware, beagle brothers... small cakes..... but it looks like you
seem to forget the big daddies... ever heard of the following:

microsoft
aston-tate
apple
borland
claris
etc.

they all have over priced software and deserve to lose. is a spreadsheet
really worth $500? and considering its been worked on since 1970?
well lets see... 1992 - 1970.. 22 years.... ridiculous upgrade costs...
of say $50 each year... thats $1100 that youve given then in just upgrade
costs... not to mention the addition of the original cost which brings us
to a grand total of $1550! and all that for a spreadsheet??!!!!!! are you
crazy? i had to write a spreadsheet for a computer class 3 years ago. it
wasnt fancy, but i gotta yell ya... $1550 for it is just a little far.
Plus if everyone was convinced that paying $500 for software and not pirating
was an ok idea i dont think shareware and freeware would have come along.
if it wasnt for the pirates, i dont think shareware would have come along.
support shareware and freeware. its the future. its time to tell the
commercial companies where to go.

---

                                            --John

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From: unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A. Inman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: HD dirves - Re: A1200 - No H.D drive, no 68030?
Keywords: Commodore F**k up again!
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:08:19 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU
Originator: n08dp@tuda


In article <1992Nov22.174830.22318@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
> unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A. Inman) writes:
> 
> >I read Amiga Format too, and I read the article.   Perhaps I forgot to mention in
> >my first article, that (in the PC market anyway) the difference in price between
> >a DD and an HD drive was only a few quid.
> 
> >Sorry, but Commodore's argument doesn't wash.   I rekon in the short to medium
> >term, A1200's will appear with HD drives, probably March at the earliest.
> 
> There are >100 companies producing IBM HD floppy drives.  Yet, there is
> only *1* company (Chinon?) producing Amiga HD floppy drive.
> 
> Remember: the dual speed Amiga HD floppy drive is unique.  Chinon designed
> it specifically for the Amiga...
> 
> Supply and demand, my friend.  Don't you see?\

DEMAND is there - so where is the SUPPLY?

I have a shameful secret - I own an IBM PC.   It has a HD drive.   When it comes
to moving data around, I use HD disks.   As they hold twice as much data, I only
need half as many disks.

Although DD disks are cheaper, I need twice as many, so in the long term, my Amiga
costs me more than my IBM PC.

Also, a HD drive as standard would eventually mean less disk swapping when using
programs with the Amiga.   And as software is to a large degree protected, then
the reduced swapping would save on wear and tear.

I admit it would take a while for the HD standard to catch on.   As I have said,
it is a move Commodore will probably eventually do anyway.   I mean, if you look
at any Amiga with WB 2.04 upwards, they support HD drives anyway (attempting to 
format a HD disk on a HD drive on one of these Amigas gives you a HD format option
- I believe this to be true, though I may be misinformed).

					The beef sandwich.
From: bo24+@andrew.cmu.edu (Berend Ozceri)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Help me! A4000 Problem!
Date: 18 Nov 92 09:23:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.wf2dV=_00WBOA4im4M
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hi everybody!

My five-day-old A4000 decided to take a vacation today. It will not
reboot! Here is what happened:

I rendered a 100 frame animation in Imagine which took about 20 hours so
the computer ran overnight. When I turned the monitor on this morning,
everything was fine. I wanted to load a 24-Bit picture into ADPro, but
the memory was too fragmented. No problem! I hit the three-keys to
reboot...the screen goes blank...hard disk led blinks..............and
nothing! OK. I turn the computer off. Wait for 20 secs, turn it back on.
Hard disk led blinks......nothing! Hit the three keys to reset.....the
power led blinks in a couple of times...the hard disk led
blinks......nothing!

I suspect there is a problem with the hard drive spin-up, but it might
be something else. Can anyone out there help!

Please.

Berend
From: terry@helios.UCSC.EDU (Terry Ricketts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: WB 2.1.
Date: 23 Nov 1992 01:17:26 GMT
Organization: UCO/Lick Observatory
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.ucsc.edu

   This weekend I picked up the WB 2.1 enhancer kit from my local Amiga
dealer (HT Electronics). The installation was easy. The docs do not list
the changes from the previous version. Aside from the obvious inclusion of
CrossDos and the new method of mounting devices I have not yet seen any
major changes. I do remember seeing a posting some time ago that listed
the changes in 2.1. If someone has it could they repost it? Now that the
update is out more people will be interested in seeing it. Thanks.

						Terry


| Terry Ricketts			|  Internet: terry@lick.ucsc.edu  |
| Senior Electronics Engineer		|  	     loel@lick.ucsc.edu   |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: bjst@sth.frontec.se (Bjorn Stenberg)
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Organization: IDK/Frontec - System Design Group
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:25:11 GMT


Please, folks! Can't we at least TRY to keep things straight here?
We're talking piracy here, consisting of basically two things:

1) Property (software) is being copied without permission, thus:
2) Income is being held from the copyright holder.

It's not THAT tricky, is it?

rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy) writes:
> >Piracy _is not_ theft. [...]   Theft, by definition, implies 
> >depriving a person of his physical property, and anticipated profits
> >_are not physical property_.

skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
> Ever hear of something called intellectual property?

The copyright holder _has_ not been deprived of any property. He's "only" had
his property copied, like if I copy parts of your source code or a book.

In 99% of all software piracy cases, the victim doesn't even know nor can
find out if he's been attacked or not, since it leaves no marks.

> [...] lots of "real world, hand tooled goods"
> can also be reproduced at almost no additional cost.

A piece of software may cost, say, $10.000 to develop. The effective cost of
creating each additional copy is none, $0.00.
The only cost is that of the wrapping, i.e the media (diskettes) used to
transport the software.

I can't come up with an example of 'hand tooled goods' where the only cost of
duplication is that of the wrapping. Can you?

> As for software being
> re-written for each copy, that would be like re-designing a car for every
> customer or re-writing a book for each reader.

True. The point is, though, that it is simply not correct to equal theft of
physical items with copying of proprietary information. Not even legally
correct.

If I steal a car, I'm prosecuted for theft. If I copy parts of someone's
book and start selling it, I'm prosecuted for violating copyright laws.
The same applies for software.

Please also note that I'm *NOT* saying this to in any way promote or encourage
piracy. I'm just trying to get things straight. A lot of people are almost
scared to discuss the subject, since it's a goddamn tabu!

Piracy == Copying without permission == Illegal

Please?

		-- Bjorn

(If I'd think I have made myself clear, I'd be a fool. Flame suit on.)

       ///  Bjorn Stenberg, Stockholm, Sweden         bjst@sth.frontec.se
      ///  main() { printf(&unix["\021%six\012\0"],(unix)["have"]+"fun"-0x60);}
 \\\ ///  "- Your documentation no longer confuses me, old version!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: cosinus@dthougt.north.de (Christian Stelter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: LhA - IMPORTANT! All those who are still waiting...
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:31:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: dthougt.cosinus.06ds
Organization: DEEP THOUGHT Bulletin Board System
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Hi!

This mail is directed to all those who paid their shareware fee for
Stefan Boberg's LhA and who didn't receive a disk or even a keyfile.

Please write an E-Mail to me with the following details about your
registration:

1. When did you send the money to Stefan Boberg?
2. How did you send him the money? (cash with your letter, with ircs,
money order checks...)
3. What have you done so far to tell Stefan that you are still waiting
for your registered version?

I will collect your names, make a list from them and send that to Stefan.
I hope he will see that he has to do something fast!

The list will be sent to his E-Mail address, to his address in Linkoeping
(via snail mail) and to his home (?) address in Romakloster.

If I haven't received any note or mail from Stefan until the end of the 
year, I will do the next step.

If I do not receive some kind of mail or note from Stefan until the end 
of the year, I will go for the next step.

For this part I need to know the following information:

4. Is it ok for you that I put your name onto a list that will be a part
of a public posting?

If Boberg doesn't show any reaction until new year, I will post the list
in the following newsgroups:

	AMIGA.GER
	AMIGA
	
	(FidoNet)

	comp.sys.amiga.misc
	de.comp.sys.amiga.misc

	(UseNet)

I hope this posting will not be necessary. LhA is an execellent program
that is worth to be paid for. But I have no sympathy for such bad support.
If you pay for something, you should get something for it. 

Furthermore I hope that (in case of posting the article)

Stefan will finally do something about his bad support...

or (at least)

that all those who are willing to pay the shareware will be warned...

Please tell all your friends with no access to any net about this. And 
try to send me their names and infos, too.

Send me your mails until Dec 12, 1992 - no mails after this date!

Yours,
  	Christian
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Piracy
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:24:30 GMT

In article <1e991mINNfre@bowen.rick.cs.ubc.ca> c1a192@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Oliver Erik Seiler) writes:
>rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman) writes:
>> You want a better equasion?!
>> 
>> Software Piracy = Shoplifting
>
>Actually this isn't true. Software piracy creates two copies of a a program
>where only one existed before. Shoplifting doesn't create anything.

Don't be such an ignorant ass.  There is nothing you or any of the other
children can say which justifies piracy.  Your sort is not needed and is
certainly not wanted around here, so go the hell away.  The logic being used
by you and your ignorant buddies is so ridiculous that one can only conclude
that none of you are more than 15 years of age.  Go away and live your life
of crime, but don't try to justify it to the rest of us.

>Software piracy also doesn't affect shopowners in the same way as shoplifting
>because the software is still on their shelves...

But it is affecting the shopowners and therefore it is wrong.  You bozos can't
seem to grasp the fact that the impact of piracy goes further than the author,
publisher, distributor, and shopowner.  And it is assholes such as yourself
who are complaining the loudest that there is no software available.  Duh, get
a clue!  Why in the world would anyone want to write software if the sales are
low due to piracy?

>- Oliver
>
>-- 
>\  Oliver Seiler  /\  \    /  /      _                              |||||
> \               /  \  \  /  /      /o\__   <--- My dream car...    (o o)
>  \             /    \  \/  /_______-O--O'_____                      \^
>   \_Insomniak_/      \_c1a192@rick.cs.ubc.ca_/                     _| |_

Your .sig is as stupid as the other pirates who post your ridiculous defense
of piracy.  Why don't you all just go away and have your little pirate parties
where you can all whack off while cracking the latest games?  And if you did
not hack into someone else's account and really are in CS, you should switch
majors now because your kind is not welcome.

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate and Pirate Basher
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: terry@helios.UCSC.EDU (Terry Ricketts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: WB 2.1.
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:40:15 GMT
Organization: UCO/Lick Observatory
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.ucsc.edu

In article <1992Nov23.205828.25523@sol.UVic.CA> teece@sol.UVic.CA writes:

>Also I am not really clear on the 2 packages (floppy disks only vs ROM +
>floppies.)  If I understand it some 3000's have Kickstart in ROM and AmigaDOS
>on the hard drive whereas others have everything in ROM. (Did I get that
>right?)  Will the floppy only kit work with the former type of 3000 or will
>it be necessary at this time to go to a ROM installation? (thereby giving up
>the ability to boot in 1.3 by holding down the mouse buttons.)
 
   You have it almost right. The early A3000's have the kickstart in a file
on the hard disk. The later ones have the kickstart in rom. Both have the
dos on the hard disk.

   The floppy only kit is for those users who have the 2.04 kickstart, eithor
in rom or on the hard disk. The kit with the rom is for users who have not
upgraded yet to 2.04 (& thus need a new rom), or for those early A3000 
owners who want to put the kickstart in rom rather than read it from the
disk.
						Terry




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| Senior Electronics Engineer		|  	     loel@lick.ucsc.edu   |
| UCO/Lick Observatory, Electronics Lab	|  Phone:    408-459-2110         |
| University of Calif, Santa Cruz 	|                                 |
From: rico@disaster.hacktic.nl (Rico Jansen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 10:44:37 GMT
Organization: HIN - Disaster Area
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 beta rel1

In article <starman.03sd@crash.amigans.gen.nz>, Robin Halligan writes:

> Just a point here When someone pays for a software pack in most instances
> thay pay for the disk/ the manual/ the packageing/ AND THE RIGHT TO USE THE
> SOFTWARE not the software itself.

Right, it says so in *english* on the package. I am dutch. Am I to understand
this *english* legal mumbojumbo ?

Definetly not. A licencse like that doesn't apply to me. I mean if I put
a dutch licencse on a package would it be valid in the US ?

Rico Jansen (rico@disaster.hacktic.nl)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc