From: sanio@netmbx.netmbx.de (Erhard Sanio)
Subject: Re: ASYLBEWERBER TATSACHEN
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:14:22 GMT

In article <8w1as*ej2@mania.RoBIN.de> lkv@mania.RoBIN.de (Lutz Vieweg) writes:

>I strongly disagree with such an opinion: Asylum seekers are assumed
>to behave like _guests_, which are visiting our land (and living
>from our money) as long as they are politically persecuted in their
>native country.

>I don't believe anyone violating the law that he's only seeking protection
>from political persectuion - IMHO such people have definitly forfeited
>their right to stay here.

One should take in account that the young fool writing the crap above never
paid one cent of taxes and proudly announced in other articles that he will
not care for the future of other people - be it in this country or the whole
world - rather for his own welfare and advantage.
Anyway, I wont comment any further about that leaving it as an exercise to 
the audience. But one should rethink whether persons who lack any knowledge
(much less respect) for the principles of democratic constitutions and 
human rights should be allowed to attend an academic institution paid by
myself as well as millions of foreigners (without any right to vote) among
others.
Not that I am favouring censorship - only a person with such an amount of
ignorance exposed should get withdrawn the A-level and sent back to secondary
school, IMHO.

Back to the topic: first, nobody can be expelled for being suspected. The 
principle that nobody must be considered guilty unless sentenced by a fair
trial (if he wants, through all procedures up to the supreme penal court)
is an essential of any democratic constitution. That means: it has to be 
proven that the defendant is guilty, everything else is plain fascism,
period. In practice, a penal procedure overloaded with the risk of ex-
pulsion will last longer, the will of the defendant to confess in order
to get a lower sentence will drop to zero etcetera. A full process through
all instances may last longer than the presence of the defendant in the
country in the worst case. That way, there wouldn't be any advantage of that
additional threat for foreigners violating laws except the perverted
satisfaction for some racists here.

Second, another essential of human rights is that everybody is equal under
the law without regard of gender, race, religion, nationality and so on.
That means, practically spoken, that theft, for example, cannot be punished
by some months on parole for an Aryan and by death and torture through
expulsion for an asylum seeker.

Third, what Lutz Vieweg is "believing" about the honesty of foreigners
violating the German laws is a pointless religious issue beyond the realm
of rational discourse. More mature persons than him know that human beings
are thinking rationally very often but acting irrationally, anyway. A big
lot of legal offenses courts are dealing with are simply mistakes of 
people normally respecting laws. Nobody can expect that mainly young 
people fleeing out of their home countries are wiser than German nationals
of the same age. If Vieweg wouldn`t have given a big lot of examples in 
this forum proving that he is a mostly harmless idiot I would call an
attitude which claims superhuman behaviour from foreigners living under
damn hard circumstances here plain fascism.

>cu, Lutz Vieweg

regards, es



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