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From: kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: education system
Date: 21 Jan 1993 15:13:12 -0500
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu

In article <1993Jan20.163214.26380@news.acns.nwu.edu>, phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>While you are laughing, also consider another hard fact.  Where did top 1%
>of the intellects (including Math) in Korea got their highest degree from?
>And name one scietific genius that such an excellent educational system has
>produced.

Wow, I almost missed this thread by simply catching up all the recent posts.
Since you asked for *one* example, if I understand the context correctly
(note I didn't read many earlier posts), you can say there is at least one
scientific genius I heard about quite a time ago. He is a physicist, a theo-
retical physicist (isn't he already qualified for the category?), and he
got his whole education in Korea, the final institution being KAIST. And
he is at POSTECH now , I think. And well, I once read he is pretty well known
for his theories which is something about knot theory in physics. Some 
experts on this subject might be able to give more exact reference.

And about "why do you want to get your PhD in American if Korean system is
so good?" business, as for me, I didn't come to an American university just
because it is American.  There are enough cries for diversity of Korean
scholars - saying we need more PhD's from Europe. That simply won't work.
American universities, esp. grad schools, are not American. They are just
centers of World academia.  Pick my department as an example,  The number of
*American*(meaning white) faculties are less than half of the total number.
The number of *American* grad students is even less than, say 1/3 of the
whole department.  Nowadays, I tend to think I am working not in American
way, but in international way.

It's good to be back at s.c.k :)

-- 
 Sung Hyun Kim    kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu : Economics, Johns Hopkins U.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: ywlee@cs.uiuc.edu (Youngwhan Lee)
Subject: Re: education system
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:23:01 GMT

In <1993Jan20.201455.1513@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>With your facts to prove that Korea has far better educational system for
>all levels (including the averages and top 10%), how do you explain the
>fact that the U.S. is the place to get Ph.D.?  Having more money does not
>explain because when you say "better education system" it is the end
>product you are talking about whether it is made of money or discipline.

I'm sorry to say this but...I find it is pretty silly to argue which one
is better while the emphasis of the two education systems are totally
different. It's like comparing orange and apple. 

American education system appears to emphasize encouraging to get freewill 
and it tends to value more to creation and innovation; Korean education 
system appears to emphasize getting a better grade all the time and it 
tends to value more toward application and refinement of idea taught
in school.

Like someone pointed out, having better Universities in US has a lot to do 
with the resources. I believe the cultural tendency produced by the education 
system also is a factor. That is, Academia tends to be value more to
creation and innovation and this is where the average American is good at. 
The fact that Ph. D. work in American universities must provide a strong 
argument on the originality of the work is not unrelated to this cultural 
tendency.

As for the industries, American companies tends to go for inventions and
innovations while Korean companies tends to go for refinement and applica-
tions of the existing technology. I think this same argument applies to
Japanese education system and their industry pretty good as Japanese
education system is much different from Korean education system. 
Almost every modern day technology is invented in America but it's
Japanese making better products almost all the time. Have you ever 
wondered why? This cultural tendency orignated from the education system 
is a strong factor, I believe.

Now going back to the fact that asian high school kids getting better 
score in exam, it is simply not fair to say Asian kids better/smarter 
because they are educated to get better grade. With the same reason, it 
is not fair to say one system is better than the other because they tend 
to produce different culture and people. 

To be a little bit verbose, neither Korean education system nor American
education is not that horrible as some suggested. There're just a lot
of rooms to be improved, for sure.

youngwhan.





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From: hseung@optronics.anatomy.upenn.edu (Rebecca H. Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: You're back! (was I'm back!)
Date: 26 Jan 1993 18:29:06 -0600
Organization: University of Pennsylvania
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Every now and then someone unheard of accuses me
Sooner I eat the better I feel
Yet, just when I loose you
You crawl back in
To the temple of SCK
To the corner of my cage
My freedom and my boredom, you take them all away

It's not 'cause of shrimp-addiction that cause me to puke
With humble desire I hop, step, and jump
And, just when I find you
I stuff myself
To the salty dream
To the bottom of my dream
I munch you and pinch you till you vanish away


Rebecca H. Seung
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jshin@cs.yale.edu (Jungshik Shin)
Subject: Re: education system
Reply-To: jshin@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:19:14 GMT

Sung Hyun Kim (kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan20.163214.26380@news.acns.nwu.edu>, phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
: >While you are laughing, also consider another hard fact.  Where did top 1%
: >of the intellects (including Math) in Korea got their highest degree from?
: >And name one scietific genius that such an excellent educational system has
: >produced.

: Wow, I almost missed this thread by simply catching up all the recent posts.
: Since you asked for *one* example, if I understand the context correctly
: (note I didn't read many earlier posts), you can say there is at least one
: scientific genius I heard about quite a time ago. He is a physicist, a theo-
: retical physicist (isn't he already qualified for the category?), and he
: got his whole education in Korea, the final institution being KAIST. And
: he is at POSTECH now , I think. And well, I once read he is pretty well known
: for his theories which is something about knot theory in physics. Some 
: experts on this subject might be able to give more exact reference.

   I'm not an expert on this by any means because I don't have a little bit
of intention to study such up-to-heaven things as knot theory which I guess
is required for Superstring theory regarded as a strong candidate for 'final
theory'(this word 'final' was used by Nobel laurate Steven Weinberg in his
recent book. Note that 'final' is NOT used in context of reductionism so
that non-high E physicsts,chemists and biologists don't have to be angry at
it). Anyway, I just got curious about a theoretical physicist
described above and I asked for information on him on KIDS BBS because I
could not imagine famous theoretical physicist studying/having studied
Superstring theory who got Ph.D. from KAIST other than Prof. Koh at KAIST
As I expected, reply from a Ph.D student at SNU studying high energy physics
(thus he is an expert on this matter) was that a theoretical
physics professor at POSTECH with a Ph.D from KAIST does NOT study Superstring
theory but statistical mechanics which I doubt needs 'knot theory'.  

   By the way, regarding so many graduate students in the US, I have to say
that it's not any more true in at least science and engineering that all or most
bright students come to the US. Many excellent students choose to finish their
Ph.Ds in Korea and decision for those studying now in the US to study
abroad must have been more difficult than it had been many years ago.   


: It's good to be back at s.c.k :)

: -- 
:  Sung Hyun Kim    kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu : Economics, Johns Hopkins U.

   Jungshik Shin
From: ag235@yfn.ysu.edu (Rogerio Teixeira)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
Subject: Livraria eletronica
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:42:00 GMT
Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net


Alo pessoal!

Brevemente estara funcionando em Juiz de Fora - MG, a primeira
livraria brasileira com endereco eletronico. Trata-se da
LIVRARIA QUARUP que tera dois ramos distintos: a Quarup Livraria
Antiquaria e a Livraria Quarup, propriamente dita. A primeira e um
sebo selecionado, com um acervo inicial de mais de 20.000 titulos,
com obras raras e esgotadas nas mais diversas areas. Totalmente
informatizada, a Quarup Livraria Antiquaria enviara a todos os in-
teressados um catalogo de obras selecionadas de seu acervo. Tambem
poderao ser enviadas listas sobre assuntos especificos. Estuda-
se a possibilidade destes catalogos e listas serem enviados via
correio-eletronico. A Livraria Quarup, que  ainda levara algum tem-
po para entrar em atividade, trabalhara exclusivamente com livros
nvos e atendera somente os mercados externos, em particular os
Estados Unidos. A ideia e atingir as comunidades brasileiras, os
brasilianistas, as universidades, as bibliotecas, etc. O atendi-
mento sera rapido e os precos justos. 
Maiores informacoes e cadastramento para recebimento de  catalogos
e listas, no seguinte endereco: quarup@ibase.br

Livraria Quarup
Caixa Postal 1100
36001-970  Juiz de Fora  MG
Brasil

Fone: 55-32-212-7241
Fax : ainda nao tem
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
From: reznik@robios.me.wisc.edu (Dan S Reznik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
Subject: Roberto Carlos em Chicago
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:27:19 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.brazil
Organization: U. Wisconsin-Madison, Robotics Laboratory


Ouvi rumores que RC estara se apresentando em Chicago em marco. Alguem
tem mais informacoes? Gozacoes direto pra /dev/null.

Dan
From: nmuller@ems.cdc.com (Nelson Muller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
Subject: Re: brasil fact 3
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:37:15 GMT
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

In article <SANTOS.93Jan22151634@melon.mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp>, santos@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Rafael &) writes:
|> 
|> In article <1993Jan20.175646.13048@leland.Stanford.EDU> kecia@leland.Stanford.EDU (Kecia Irene Albright) writes:
|> 
|> >>Exchange rate:      new Cz170.7 per $ (Dec 1990)
|> >
|> >Quando sera' que vao tirar mais tres zeros?
|> >
|> 
|> 
|> Em marco, segundo eu soube, o Cruzeiro vai se chamar Cruzeiro Novo.
|> La se vao mais tres zeros, e os nomes ja estao se repetindo.
|> Alguem me ajuda a lembrar da cronologia monetaria ?
|> 
|> Reis
|> Cruzeiro
|> Cruzeiro novo
|> Cruzeiro
|> Cruzado
|> Cruzado Novo
|> Cruzeiro
|> e agora de novo, Cruzeiro Novo.
|> 
|> Hoje um japones que vai para o Brasil perguntou se nao fica muito caro
|> ficar fazendo novas notas e moedas o tempo todo para acompanhar a 
|> inflacao. 
|> Fiquei sem saber o que responder, mas pode ser que a causa da inflacao
|> no Brasil seja a necessidade de colocar notas e moedas novas em
|> circulacao :-)

Quando sai do Brasil, US$1.00 = Br$1,500.00  (coloquei Br porque e' mais
facil dizer "Brazilian currency" do que "guess" o nome da moeda).
Desde entao, tiraram 9 (nove) zeros da moeda, e hoje, US$1.00 = Br$12,000.00.
Isto quer dizer que a dinheiro de quando sai do pais, 
US$1.00 = Br$12,000,000,000,000.00.   Se nao tivesse tirado os "zeros" da
moeda, todo brasileiro seria ao menos trilionario, todos seriam ricos
e ninguem poderia reclamar que ganhava pouco.  O problema seria comprar
um "mate espumante" na praia.  Com o papel mais valioso valendo Br$1,000.00,
e "presuming" que o mate custa o equivalente a US$0.50, seria preciso
carregar varios caminhoes de dinheiro para a praia...  Isso sem contar que
para ir a praia de onibus, cada passageiro precisaria carregar alguns
outros caminhoes de dinheiro so' para comprar a passagem.......

Nao e' maravilhoso este pais?  Nao da saudade?

|> 
|> Rafael, futuro Ministro da Economia.

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From: hal.cohen@travel.com (Hal Cohen) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
Subject: PAZ NA EX-IUGOSLAVIA
Date: 27 Jan 93 07:39:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online / St. Louis Online - St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: hal.cohen@travel.com (Hal Cohen) 

Como estao sendo massacrados os musulmanes, vou supor que o mensagem que
voce paso e dos serbos, nao e (apesar de que o mensagem indicou que
provir de um grupo "multietnico")?  O que opina voce sobre o tema?
abraco, Hal.
From: vinita@redbird.pa.dec.com (Vinita Bhatia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
Subject: Survey of international students
Date: 25 Jan 93 07:08:03 GMT
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This is a request for help in a survey of facilities provided to internation
students on different campuses.  I need the information for a class project.

I will appreciate you sharing your experiences of the International Students
Offices in your university with me.  Please let me know of any program that
you thought was useful to you when you joined the school.  Also, if you felt
there was something for which you really needed help and was not addressed
before or after you joined the school.

Thanks for your help.

Vinita
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
From: rolls@cis.umassd.edu (Frank Pinto)
Subject: Re: Sobretaxa de 109% p/ aco nos EUA.
Keywords: Caros companheiros,Estou escrevendo esta pois gostaria de informar que acabei de
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 01:46:39 GMT

Entao turma?

O sr. Felipe, objetivamente, cristalisou esta situacao perfeitamente.
O problema da maioria de brasileiros, e que eles pensam com o "coracao"
em vez da cabeca.
Sr. Felipe, muito obrigado pela elucidacao.

Xico
From: diogenes@phakt.usc.edu (Diogenes Silva)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
Subject: Re: Novo "Atleta" do Atletico
Date: 21 Jan 1993 22:58:57 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

Uai so^, pensei que fosse o Reinaldo, ou talvez o Toninho Cerezo.

  Diogenes

PS: Xo^ cachorrada !!
From: kirjner@tucker.berkeley.edu (Carlos Kirjner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
Subject: traducoes
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:34:58 GMT
Reply-To: kirjner@tucker.berkeley.edu (Carlos Kirjner)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: tucker.berkeley.edu

Eu to tentando descobrir as traducao pro portugues da palavra mite.
E um bug pequinininho (+/- do tamanho de um piolho).  Seria sarna?

Outra coisa que eu queria saber e' o nome do batatinha em ingles.

Qualquer ajuda sera apreciada.

Sds.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
From: mandel@litp.ibp.fr (Arnaldo MANDEL)
Subject: Re: brasil fact 3
Organization: Chaos
	<SANTOS.93Jan22151634@melon.mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp>
	<31796@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com> <1993Jan24.001115.2189@psg.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:12:31 GMT
Full-Name: Arnaldo MANDEL

Respeitavel o trabalho do Walter de colocar toda essa informacao `a disposicao
dos neteiros.  Se digitou tudo, e' um doido, mas imagino que tenha usado um
bom scanner.

Mas faltou algo, que talvez eu nao tenha percebido na leitura superficial que
fiz.  Qual a fonte de todos esses dados?  Pode-se acreditar no que esta' ali?

Vejam que ja' esta' desatualizado (no que se refere ao Collor, ja'
observaram), repete a tradicional mentira deslavada de que 90% da populacao e'
catolica, tem alguns dados prosaicos, como enderecos, aparentemente errados
(mas minha memoria pode estar faltando).

Enfim, como academico viciado, peco que no futuro, ao espalhar informacoes e
"fatos", quem o fizer deixe bem claro as fontes.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
From: jcwang@rodan.acs.syr.EDU (Wang, Jiang Chau)
Subject: Paz na ex-Iugoslavia
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 23:52:54 EST

Estou repassando uma mensagem que recebi recentemente descrevendo 
uma campanha contra a possivel intervencao norte-americana em Bosnia-
-Herzegovina. Esta possibilidade e' bastante concreta visto que, diariamente, 
na TV americana, informacoes selecionadas sobre a 
situacao nos Balca~s sao despejadas com a intencao de colocar a opiniao 
publica a favor de tal intervencao, como ja' aconteceu diversas 
vezes no passado recente. Para os que nao desejam que a situacao por 
la' fique mais militarizada. Wang.


forwarded msg begins ----------------------------------------------------

To all supporters of peace and justice in former Yugoslavia:

Action for Peace in the Balkans, a multiethnic, San Francisco Bay
Area-based peace group, has organized a nationwide telegram hotline to
President Bill Clinton, urging him to seek a peaceful solution to this
conflict. The telegram reads:

"I oppose military intervention or lifting the arms embargo in the civil war 
in former Yugoslavia.  Such action will fuel the fighting, prolong civilian 
suffering, and lead to an even wider conflict in the region. Exercise 
evenhanded diplomacy and pressure the three warring sides in Bosnia and 
Hercegovina to negotiate a mutually acceptable political solution."

The procedure for using the hotline is as follows:

1. Call (800) 372-2626 (Western Union, Telegram Hotlines)

2. Ask for hotline no. 9337; it will be identified as "Peace in the
Balkans"; the recepient and begining of text will be confirmed (full text
also read on demand; however, note that within this hotline the text is not
alterable)

3. You will be asked for a name and address of the sender, as well as your
home phone number; a $6.95 charge will appear on your next telephone bill
(however, you can call from any phone)

4. You may (optionally) provide your name and address to the organizers.


We urge you to take part in and advertise broadly this action, which will
be taking place for a limited time after inauguration. Our new
administration's policy on this issue has apparently not been set yet, but
defining it is its highest foreign policy priority. This is why it is of
paramount importance to immediately  let them know that military
intervention is *not* a viable option. This message must be sent in a
clear, visible and organized way, and this action serves that purpose.
Certainly, other means of voicing your opinion on the subject remain
equally important as before. But we ask you to take this action seriously,
since only many thousands of telegrams can make a difference.


ACTION FOR PEACE IN THE BALKANS

-------end of forwarded msg
From: rubens@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (RUBENS, computer Master)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
Subject: Bolsa de Estudo da OEA
Date: 23 Jan 93 11:45:20 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services


Por acaso tem alguem por ai' que tem a Bolsa de Mestrado da OEA
(Organizacao dos Estados Americanos)?  Eu gostaria de saber algumas
informacoes sobre esta bolsa.  Por favor, Reply para o meu endereco
eletronico abaixo.

Obrigado.

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US-mail: 6 Bagley Drive,# 10     
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
From: bianchi@bell.ecn.purdue.edu (Marcus V Bianchi)
Subject: Re: Erundina ministra?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:57:48 GMT

In article <C1E3G3.3LD.2@cs.cmu.edu> tsen+@EDRC.CMU.EDU (Chung Kang Tsen) writes:
>
>Parece que a Erundina e' a nova ministra do Planejamento (contra a
>vontade do Lula). Alguem confirma?
>
>Se for verdade, parabens pra' ela que sempre me pareceu uma pessoa
>honesta e competente, e uma das poucas que se salvam nesse mar de
>lama e de mediocridade que sao os politicos nacionais.
>
>--Tsen

Recebi mensagem do Brasil dando conta que ela seria ministra do Bem Estar
Social, mas alguns colegas jah me corrigiram afirmando que ela passaria a
ser secretaria de administracao federal.

Abracos,

Marcus Bianchi

ps. acho que o JB publicou no sabado que ela seria ministra do Bem Estar
Social...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
From: mike@merk.com (Mike Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Algum assistencia se faz favor
Organization: Technology Partners, Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:01:36 GMT

respondar para E-mail se faz favor.

Muito obrigado!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
From: hercilia@ax.apc.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
Subject: Re: Erundina ministra?
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:44:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:C1E3G3.3LD.2@cs.cmu.edu:1097445537:ax:1191000125:000:414
Nf-From: ax.UUCP!hercilia    Jan 25 16:44:00 1993


Alo^ Galera,

A Erundina foi nomeada ministra-chefe da Secretaria da Administraca~o
Federal (SAF). Ela e' secreta'ria com "status" de ministra. E' o Lula
na~o gostou muito, mas ele e' um democrata. Ela tem o apoio enfa'tico
de Eduardo Suplicy. A nova ministra do Planejamento se chama Yeda Crusius,
economista e professora da Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Sul, filiada
ao PSDB.

Herci'lia de Camargo-IBASE