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From: ecurrent@zooid.guild.org (Greg Clow)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: this mortal coil, what do you know
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:51:00 GMT
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
X-To: ANDREW S HALL

ashall@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew S Hall) writes:
>6011_5522@uwovax.uwo.ca writes:
>>What can you tell me about THIS MORTAL COIL Because I know nothing about
>>them?
>
>This Mortal Coil was a band made up of several artist on the 4AD
>label. Its main star was Elisabeth Fraser, vocalist for the
>Cocteau Twins.

Only for the first album, however.  For some reason, Fraser seemed to
disown her work on IT'LL END IN TEARS soon after it was released, and
apparently has gotten quite angry when asked about it in interviews.

>Some one  could probably post a discography, but it would be hard.
>They recorded several albums, EP, etc and had many repitions of
>songs on them. (Their best song, Song of the Siren, is on about
>four different albums.)

What?!?!  Well, I'd like to know where you've seen all of these albums,
since as far as I know, there are only three (as I mentioned in an
earlier post), and there's no overlap between them whatsoever.  Since I
now have the discs handy, here's the info for the releases that I have.

IT'LL END IN TEARS (1984) LP/CD             4AD Records (UK)  CAD 411 (CD)
FILIGREE & SHADOW  (1986) dbl-LP/single CD   "     "     "    DAD 609 (CD)
(these releases were also "specially imported" and released domestically
 in Canada by PolyGram Records)
BLOOD              (1991) CD                PolyGram (Canada) 848-833 2

That's it for the albums.  "Song to the Siren" only appears on the first
one.  As for EP's, I own the following...

"16 Days"/"Song to the Siren" 12" (1983)    4AD Records (UK)  BAD 310
(The first track doesn't appear on any of the albums)

I've also seen a couple of other things...
* a 4-track promo EP of tracks from FILIGREE & SHADOW
* a 10-inch single of "Drugs" and a couple of other tracks from F&S
* a CD-EP with 4 tracks from BLOOD
Since none of these included non-album tracks, I didn't bother buying
them.

Oh, and one other thing... there's a TMC track called "Acid, Bitter and
Sad" on the 4AD compilation "Lonely is an Eyesore".  It appears in a
very different form as the song "Bitter" on BLOOD.

And I don't know if I'd call "Song to the Siren" TMC's "best" song...
it's thier most popular, but I find a lot of the stuff on F&S much more
interesting.


>The best album to get is probably Filigree and Shadow.

I agree with this as well.


Greg
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From: v108jqur@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTHONY PAUL AVERY)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Favorite Goth Bars in Your City
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:41:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hey fellow goths I think it would be fun if everyone wrote and told
us their favorite goth club in their city.  Please include the city, of
course, the cost, and the male-female, hetero, bi, or homosexuality
ratio of the club.

Well, I'll start.  I'm from Buffalo, NY and my favorite goth club is
The Continental on Franklin St.  The cost is free on Tuesdays;  2.00 
on thursdays (the best night to go); 4.00 fri and sat.  I would say
the ratios are:  50-50 for sex; definately more gay boys than het's
a couple s/m's and a lot of bi's!  Well have fun!

It's just a kiss a way 
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: harveytj@kirk.aston.ac.uk 
Subject: New 'Zine
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  Info please!
Organization: Aston University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 11:28:00 GMT


Could be interesting.....

	Are you prepared to give us more info / email me?

			



			Tamsyn
From: ecurrent@zooid.guild.org (Greg Clow)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Cindytalk
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:24:17 GMT
Reply-To: ecurrent@zooid.UUCP (Greg Clow)
Organization: The Zoo of Ids



I've had the Cindytalk albums CAMOFLAGE HEART and IN THIS WORLD I+II for years
now, and I was recently wondering if they had released anything else either
before or after these albums.  Anyone out there know?  And if so, does anyone
know how the material compares to the stuff I already have?

Greg
ecurrent@zooid.guild.org
From: banshee@cats.ucsc.edu (Wailer at the Gates of Dawn)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Origins of GOTH
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:23:55 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


	But i thought goth originated as a lashback against minstrel shows
in which white persons would paint their faces black and sing "negro"
songs.  

-- 
The Wailer at the Gates of Dawn              | banshee@cats.UCSC.EDU       |
Just who ARE you calling a FROOFROO Head?    |                             |
DoD#0667  "Just a friend of the beast."      | banshee@ucscb.UCSC.EDU      |
2,3,5,7,13,17,19,31,61,89,107,127,521,607....| banshee@ucscb.BITNET        |
From: dawson@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Cult remix
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:12:14 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

Listening to the radio this morning i heard the "dance" mix of "She Sells 
Sanctuary". Way too fast with the obligatory tinny drum beat in the background!
I hope Astbury didn't have anything to do with this otherwise I'll know he's
gone past the point of no return!
Is nothing sacred!!!??? I just hope no-one has the bright idea of remixing the 
Sisters to that tinny drum machine sound......(On second thoughts maybe 
Eldritch will do it himself in his quest for tuneful dance music)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: stuartj@wv.MENTORG.COM (Stuart John)
Subject: Re: Cult remix
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 10:31:56 GMT
Reply-To: stuartj@wv.MENTORG.COM
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corporation (UK)
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

In article <1993Jan6.141214.11073@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, dawson@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
|> Listening to the radio this morning i heard the "dance" mix of "She Sells 
|> Sanctuary". Way too fast with the obligatory tinny drum beat in the background!
|> I hope Astbury didn't have anything to do with this otherwise I'll know he's
|> gone past the point of no return!
|> Is nothing sacred!!!??? I just hope no-one has the bright idea of remixing the 
|> Sisters to that tinny drum machine sound......(On second thoughts maybe 
|> Eldritch will do it himself in his quest for tuneful dance music)

Cult greatist hits album soon, 'Pure Cult', how embarrassing !
Cult are out of their rock phase, I guess Astbury comissioned the remix, 
says something about it in NME this week.

-- 
  _
 ( `/_
(_)(_(/                  stuartj@wv.MENTORG.COM
Mentor Graphics Corporation, BRACKNELL, England

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Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: Cannam@sc.ZIB-Berlin.de (Chris Cannam)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Cult remix
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:02:16
Organization: Konrad Zuse Zentrum fuer Informationstechnik Berlin
	<GROVE.93Jan7101910@paddy.uk.tele.nokia.fi>
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In-reply-to: grove@uk.tele.nokia.fi's message of Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:19:10 GMT


In article <GROVE.93Jan7101910@paddy.uk.tele.nokia.fi> grove@uk.tele.nokia.fi (Paddy Grove) writes:

   [...] I believe it
   was remixed by Butch Vig, who recently did a great job on Nine Inch Nails'
   _Fixed_ [...]

With respect, Butch Vig did hardly anything on NIN's _Fixed_.  Handy
namecheck, though.

							Chris
--

           on sighting mathematicians it should unhook the algebra from their
           minds and replace it with with poetry; on sighting poets it should
               unhook poetry from their minds and replace it with algebra
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: ni2274@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (ItsJustSmurfy!)
Subject: hm...stories
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:53:06 GMT

I know this isn't exactly the place for this request but I was wondering if anyone has gothic tales (stories) that they can post ?
well, I'd really appreciate it.  Can also e-mail instead if you don't want to 
post.  Thanks sooooo much....( in advance ).=)
Nucha

ni2274@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu

Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson)
Subject: Re: Favorite Goth Bars in Your City
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:29:50 GMT

It's improving in Los Angeles.  Helter Skelter & DDT have moved out of the
disgusting palm hell 'Ibiza' and in to more suitable places.  KK is still
difficult to take, but at least I don't have to go to Long Beach to do it.
I do miss the opportunity to tour Terminal Island, but I can still do that.
I went to some place in Hollywood that claimed to have "Alternative Music"
but it was disappointing.  Doubly depressing since it was a nice looking bar.
Very dark, old, and cold feeling.  I hope someone can  make more detailed
suggestions than I.
Regards.

-- 
Scott Hanson		This has been a recording.
despair@netcom.com
From: orcuttc@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: this mortal coil
Date: 9 Jan 1993 00:46:34 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Reply-To: orcuttc@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu

In addition to _It'll end in tears_ and filigree & shadow_ cds, there is a 21
song cd called _blood_ which was released in 1991.  Ivo produced this again,
but the musicians are names I don't recognize.  I believe most of from other
labels, unlike the first two tmc releases.  The songs on this disc are good,
but I feel lack the emotion of the first.  Still recommended however.

Also, most of the tmc songs are covers.
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: ashall@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew S Hall)
Subject: Re: this mortal coil, what do you know
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:54:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.150939.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> 6011_5522@uwovax.uwo.ca writes:
>What can you tell me about THIS MORTAL COIL Because I know nothing about
>them?
>
>     Athinen

This Mortal Coil was a band made up of several artist on the 4AD
label. Its main star was Elisabeth Fraser, vocalist for the
Cocteau Twins. It also included musicians from the Twins, Wolfgang
Press and other 4AD bands.

Some one  could probably post a discography, but it would be hard.
They recorded several albums, EP, etc and had many repitions of
songs on them. (Their best song, Song of the Siren, is on about
four different albums.) They also had different releases in different
countries.

The best album to get is probably Filigree and Shadow. Also really
good is It Will All End in Tears.  If you can find an EP with
Song of the Siren on it, that may be the best cheap way to get
introduced to them. A lot of their albums are available as import
only and the CDs will run you up to 25$.

Andrew Hall
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson)
Subject: Re: this mortal coil, what do you know
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:43:33 GMT

Gina writes:
>(If I remember correctly) they have two full length albums out, plus
>a cut on Lonely is an Eyesore.

Don't forget possibly their best work, the first ep.

-- 
Scott Hanson		This has been a recording.
despair@netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: 6011_5522@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: this mortal coil, what do you know
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:09:39 GMT

What can you tell me about THIS MORTAL COIL Because I know nothing about
them?

	 Athinen
From: melantha@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Goth as a lifestyle choice, y'all!
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 22:25:07 PST
Reply-To: melantha@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Not a fashion statement, no "playlist" of music, no real specific 
regulations for myself.  I see lots and lots (oodles, in fact) of 
Carmillas and Vlads running around these days...however for all the 
music, all their frocked finery, and all their darkly clutched bibles of 
evil do not make them "gothic" in a lifestyle sense.  One may of course 
freely (and is most encouraged as well) to don whatever garments one 
believes to be a reflection of an aspect of one's love of goth.  But 
there is a much more subtle manipulation of energies, patterns, cycles, 
etc. that is required in order to claim Gothic as a lifestyle choice.  
Just as someone else might choose a middle american wife and kids 
lifestyle.  The rub of course is that this manipulation is something that 
is learned and earned through study, contemplation, practice and 
research...something I have been doing since I first stepped into the 
moonlight.  (which was at a very tender and hungry age).  
 
I suppose my point is that there is no point in flocking like painted 
birds to what one believes to be a new "fashion trend" (i.e., vampire 
chic) and saturating their lives with guidelines in order to be "Goth." 
 
But then those who do follow the guidelines make the dividing line so 
much the easier to spot.  

                                    Wandering through the grey,
 
                                    Melantha

__________________________________________________________________________
   |       /         |\
   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N            [ melantha@cyberden.sf.ca.us ]
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: nbrao@athena.mit.edu (?????)
Subject: Question
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:50:48 GMT

What color are Andrew Eldritch's eyes?  The only picture I've seen where 
I can see his eyes is in black and white.  Just curious.

Nhan
From: pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (Pete French)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Sisters mailing list
Date: 4 Jan 93 11:42:43 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

If anyone unsubscribed from the Sisters list over crimbo then you can now
resubscribe as I am back to deal with such requests. Just as a reminder
the address is ;

dominion-request@ohm.york.ac.uk

If you tell me that its a re-subscription then you wont get the intorduction
file a second time.

cheers.

-bat.

-- 
-Pete French. (the -bat. )    -+ 	Are you in the militia ?
Adaptive Systems Engineering   |
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From: klf@acsu.buffalo.edu (Kristin)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: The Nefilim
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:39:24 GMT
Organization: UB


	I have heard rumor that the new Nefilim record was released
the first week of this year in the UK... now this is based purely on
muddled reports of an interview McCoy gave in a recent Melody Maker
(which I cannot find so I suspect it's in NME - maybe the December
18th issue), but the key there is "muddled".  So if there's anyone who
actually knows about any of this - feel free to post, I'm sure there
are plenty of us who would like to know.
				kristin
From: aumentad@aludra.usc.edu (SUPERGROVER)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Gyuto Monks (it were "Re: Buried Dreams" once, tho')
Date: 5 Jan 1993 10:20:41 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

I got the 2 elektra/nonesuch albums in boston used.  they're pretty damn good.
i guess you can get it on disc now. BTW these are the guys that sing chords.

joe
From: cs_e420@ceres (The Grim Reaper)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: The roots of Goth music - NOT
Date: 5 Jan 1993 10:04:43 GMT
Organization: Kingston University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ceres.kingston.ac.uk
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

The 60's band _The Music Machine_ - They used to die their hair black,
wear black clothes and _one_ black glove each ;-|

Sang depressing songs in a depressing voice as well.

oh well, nuff said.
-Roy

--
I walk by her side, and the darkness lifts from my soul.
I walk with her, and I hear the gentle beating of mighty wings.
From: Cannam@sc.ZIB-Berlin.de (Chris Cannam)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Question
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:48:14
Organization: Konrad Zuse Zentrum fuer Informationstechnik Berlin
Distribution: alt
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In-reply-to: nbrao@athena.mit.edu's message of Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:50:48 GMT


In article <1993Jan12.045048.400@athena.mit.edu> nbrao@athena.mit.edu (?????) writes:

|   What color are Andrew Eldritch's eyes?  The only picture I've seen where 
|   I can see his eyes is in black and white.  Just curious.

Well, I'm sure he'd like to think they're green...

							Chris
--

           on sighting mathematicians it should unhook the algebra from their
           minds and replace it with with poetry; on sighting poets it should
               unhook poetry from their minds and replace it with algebra
From: grove@uk.tele.nokia.fi (Paddy Grove)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Cult remix
Date: 7 Jan 93 08:19:10 GMT
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications, Transmission Product Development,
	Cambridge, UK

>>>>> On 6 Jan 93 14:12:14 GMT, dawson@vax.oxford.ac.uk said:

dawson> Listening to the radio this morning i heard the "dance" mix of "She
dawson> Sells Sanctuary". Way too fast with the obligatory tinny drum beat in
dawson> the background!  I hope Astbury didn't have anything to do with this
dawson> otherwise I'll know he's gone past the point of no return!  Is
dawson> nothing sacred!!!??? 

If you're talking about the remix I've heard, I didn't think it was that
different from the original, but then I'm not a big Cult fan. I believe it
was remixed by Butch Vig, who recently did a great job on Nine Inch Nails'
_Fixed_

dawson> I just hope no-one has the bright idea of remixing the Sisters to
dawson> that tinny drum machine sound......(On second thoughts maybe Eldritch
dawson> will do it himself in his quest for tuneful dance music)

What about Temple of Love 1992? :-)


    Paddy
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Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: chrisb@seachg.uucp (Chris Blask)
Subject: Re: What is this, "alt.stupid.idiot.conspiracies"?
Reply-To: chrisb@seachg.UUCP (Chris Blask)
Organization: Sea Change Corporation, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 15:35:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.005353.28638@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
>	Question:  Why are all of these stupid "evil conspiracy" 
>	posts being crossposted to:
>
>	alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.
>+      individualism,alt.censorship,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa,misc.
>+      activism.progressive
>
>	When alt.conspiracy.stupid would do just fine?
>
>

Because anyone who is paranoid enough to believe in the viability of large
conspiracies probably spends most of his/her time waiting for the door to
get kicked down, and won't be happy 'til it is.  The wider the audience,
the more likely they can find someone who is hiding behind their door,
too.

-chris blask

Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: jamie@cs.sfu.ca (Jamie Andrews)
Subject: Re: I can't believe it!
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:49:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.144803.62497@cc.usu.edu> slt22@cc.usu.edu writes:
>     But today, I log in and find that I had a new mail message.  Low and
>behold it was my post.  The response was "I found your letter to be 
>unsuitable for soc.feminism."  This surprised the hell out of me.  Talk
>about a censor!

     Is this a joke?  I didn't see any smileys.

     Cindy Tittle Moore is one of the moderators of
soc.feminism.  The *purpose* of the moderators is to reject
articles they think are not appropriate.  They often pass
articles they disagree with.  Ever consider that they might
reject articles for some other reason?

     My guess (from your remarks about "reading alt.feminism
[sic] to see what they were squaking [sic] about") is that you
sent a particularly simple-minded and inflammatory article which
she didn't pass because it contained no original ideas and would
have just started a flame war.  Am I getting warm?

>   I wrote a letter back to the moderator, who's name is 
>Cindy, and told her that this shows me how transparent feminism is.

     Did you ask her why she rejected it?  And did you ever
consider that not all feminists think the same way?

>  They
>only want to hear their side of the story and no other.

     If you really had read the articles in soc.feminism, you
would have seen that this is not true.

>  Now I ask you, 
>is this a free country or what?  

     Sure it is.  It's a free net too.  People are able to set
up whatever mechanism they want to exchange information.  People
who don't want to get into abusive flame wars about feminism and
have to supply numbskulls with basic information about feminism
read and post on soc.feminism.

     People like you post on soc.women, soc.men, and (now,
courtesy Bronis Vidugiris) alt.feminism.  Check them out.

--Jamie.
  jamie@cs.sfu.ca
"The Tao's net encompasses the whole universe."  - tao te ching
From: ma@igc.apc.org (Micha Peled)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: BAY AREA Censored
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:05:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1298900005:000:1642
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!ma    Jan  6 11:05:00 1993


For Immediate Release		For more information, contact:
January 8, 1993				Dan Kalb at (415) 441-2559

Did We Miss Something Important?

	Media Alliance (MA), the media watchdog group, announced 
the start of the fourth annual BAY AREA Censored (BAC) 
project -- designed to select the top underreported or 
ignored stories of 1992.  In considering nominations, a panel 
of judges will rely on the public for submissions of BAY AREA 
stories that deserved greater coverage. 
	"This project allows the consumer to critique the 
product," said Micha Peled, executive director of Media 
Alliance, a 2,800-member Bay Area organization of 
investigative journalists, freelance writers and filmmakers, 
and citizens interested in improving the media.  "It enables 
BAY AREA readers to tell their newspapers where they've gone 
wrong in a way that's constructive and gets serious 
attention."
	Stories eligible for BAC may have been reported only in 
a small publication or buried in the back pages of a major 
daily.  In all instances, however, they must be of 
considerable significance to the BAY AREA.  "Bay Area 
Censored helps newspapers hear from the communities they 
serve," explained Peled.  
	Journalists are encouraged to submit their own work if 
it is an important story that didn't get picked up by other 
news outlets.  BAC is modeled after the national Project 
Censored, which annually highlights the top ten censored 
stories in the country.  
	Send Bay Area Censored submissions by March 3rd to:
		Bay Area Censored -- Media Alliance
		Fort Mason, bldg. D
		San Francisco, CA  94123
	For more information, call (415) 441-2557.   
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,news.admin.policy