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From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Re: Say it ain't so
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 15:10:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.233032.22515@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@dial.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>In article <1992Nov04.114303.26616@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov3.070027.28880@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>>>In article <1992Nov02.110518.523@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
>
>>>>>I certainly don't have any reason to think that Clinton is an
>>>>>anti-Semite, and I think that any insinuation like that ought to be
>>>>>backed up.  I also would by no means regard George Bush as a friend of
>>>>>the Jews.
>
>>>>Why? Is it because he destroyed the Iraqi army?
>
>>>Maybe it's because he hangs around with Pat Buchanan, Jerry Falwell, and
>>>Pat Robertson.
>
>>Pat Robertson? You must be kidding. This guy preaches hatred to Arabs
>>and Muslims on every occasion he have. He praises the Jews all the time.
>>Probably because they support his 700 Club network.
>
>No.  Pat Robertson, and most of the other members of the
>FanaticalReligiousRight, are staunch supporters of *ISRAEL*, because
>they believe it fulfills part of Biblical prophecy.  They do NOT like
>Jews.
>

So you are saying they are hypocrites because they use Jews to get to
heaven. I kind of agree with you on this.

Nabil

>-- 
>David M. Nieporent   | Mike Mussina 1992 AL Cy Young Winner
>niepornt@phoenix.    |------------------------------------ 
>   princeton.edu     | "I still believe in a place called Hope."
>Clinton/Gore '92.  Don't stop thinking about tomorrow.


Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: v206gb6c@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (IS AN ILLEGAL PERSONAL NAME)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,misc.legal,soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Say it ain't so
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:07:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov04.114303.26616@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes...
>In article <1992Nov3.070027.28880@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov02.110518.523@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
>>
>>>>I certainly don't have any reason to think that Clinton is an
>>>>anti-Semite, and I think that any insinuation like that ought to be
>>>>backed up.  I also would by no means regard George Bush as a friend of
>>>>the Jews.
>>
>>>Why? Is it because he destroyed the Iraqi army?
>>
>>Maybe it's because he hangs around with Pat Buchanan, Jerry Falwell, and
>>Pat Robertson.
> 
> 
>Pat Robertson? You must be kidding. This guy preaches hatred to Arabs
>and Muslims on every occasion he have. He praises the Jews all the time.
>Probably because they support his 700 Club network.
> 

Mainly because he thinks the second comming will, well... come, when all Jews
live in Israel.


PauL M SchwartZ  (-Z-)  |  Follow men's eyes as they look to the skies
v206gb6c@ubvms.BitNet   |         the shifting shafts of shining 
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pms@acsu.buffalo.edu    |                    - RUSH -
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,ca.politics
From: guido@island.COM (Guido Marx)
Subject: Re: Mr Clinton
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.  San Rafael, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:50:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.174420.9483@pbhya.PacBell.COM> mspayer@PacBell.COM (Mike Payer) writes:
>When you combine the votes for Bush and Perot 57% of the American people
>voted against Bill Clinton.

Just because you didn't vote FOR a candidate, you cannot conclude
that you voted against him.  The polls I have read indicate that
Perot voters were pretty evenly split over who they would have
voted for if Perot wasn't in the race.  So, perhaps half of the
Perot voters were really voting against Clinton.  I didn't vote
FOR Clinton, but the only candidate I voted AGAINST was George
Bush.  It isn't nearly as simple as adding up the votes FOR and
assuming the rest are against.

>Question has any other President since, say FDR, ever won the Presidency 
>when more than 50% of the electorate voted against him?

Nixon won in '68 with less than 50% of the electorate.  Don't
remember the exact figures, but George Wallace got more than 10%
of the vote and the election was quite close.  That year, I think
that most of those Wallace voters would have probably stayed home
if Wallace hadn't run.

>It would seem to me that Mr Clinton will have a problem in that he does
>not come to Washington with a mandate to govern. ( comments )

In many ways, his "mandate" is greater than Bush's was.  He is coming
to Washington with a Congress which is controlled by the Democrats.
They even have enough votes to stop filibusters in the Senate.  For
the first few months, I would think that Clinton will be able to have
just about any legislation he wants.

Guido
From: "tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: censored: foia is an oxymoron
Date: 7 Nov 92 16:56:37 EST
Reply-To: "tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com>
Distribution: misc
Organization: Executive Networks Information

Subject: CENSORED: FOIA IS AN OXYMORON

Quoth Rich Winkel regarding CENSORED: FOIA IS AN OXYM on 11-06-92:

RW>FOIA IS AN OXYMORON
RW>
RW>In theory at least, the 25 year old Freedom of Information Act (FOIA)
RW>bucks the bureaucratic impulse for secrecy.  In reality, however, the
RW>executive branch and federal courts are stretching the law's
RW>exemptions to give that impulse freer rein.  As a result, this precious
RW>piece of legislation is fading into obsolescence.

Hey, now that Clinton's going into the White House, the press should be 
able to have a field day with FOIA requests for records from the last 12 
years!

At least, the records that the Feds don't shred between now and January...






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Newsgroups: misc.headlines
From: packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer)
Subject: Re: Deer hunting accident with shotgun?
Followup-To: misc.headlines
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Dept. of Independence
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:31:00 GMT

In article <13NOV199207571679@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov>, packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes...
>Are deer typically hunted with a shotgun? A story in 
>the NY Times on Thursday reported that a deer hunter


An e-mail to me pointed out that there are different types of
shot, each appropriate for a different purpose. I had always
associated "shotgun" with birdshot...
From: rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Gore got lost!!!!!
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:30:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Nov12.051522.24997@jack.sns.com> jsb@jack.sns.com (Jim Best) writes:

> Did anyone notice that Mr Gore got lost in the woods and had to have the
> secret service come and find him.
> Now did you also notice that it was just barely mentioned on the radio
> news.
> Would you like to bet that if it was Danny boy that got lost in the woods
> it would have been the lead story on ALL the network news shows.
> But we all know the press is not biased..............

I never heard anything about this.......

Along these lines, it should be interesting to see how the media
handles clinton in 1995 and 1996, when it becomes apparent that
promises made during a campaign have been forgotten, ignored or
outright broken. Wanna bet the media attempts to gloss over this? 





Mark
Xref: sparky misc.headlines:7009 ca.politics:9527
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Mr Clinton
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:37:03 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <u8sTTB2w165w@netlink.cts.com>, galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross) writes:
# The only difference between a Chicago election and a California election 
# (until this year, at least):
# 
# In chicago, the dead vote. In California, they're more often elected.
# --
# Gregory Alan Gross      Welcome to life, where no good deed goes unpunished.

Actually, I suspect that they vote a lot in California, also.
When I ran for Santa Monica City Council in 1981, I walked
precincts, and found, on several occasions, that people who were
still registered to vote had been dead for at least four years.
That should have meant they were purged at the biennial general
elections -- unless they were voting from beyond the grave.



-- 
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Racism is "class struggle" applied to ethnicity.
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Mmmm... Purple)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,ca.politics,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Mr Clinton
Date: 6 Nov 92 05:00:49 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Nov4.212445.27963@cbnews.cb.att.com> jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:
>thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>Kennedy 1960 (lost popular vote to Nixon)
>
>Bzzzt. Kennedy got 100,000 more votes than Nixon.

Only if you count voters in the South who voted for Democratic slates in
the electoral college that announced that they would not vote for Kennedy 
under any circumstances.
-- 
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also at quibeaux@uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
From: jsb@jack.sns.com (Jim Best)
Subject: Gore got lost!!!!!
Organization: Systems'n'Software
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 05:15:22 GMT


Did anyone notice that Mr Gore got lost in the woods and had to have the
secret service come and find him.

Now did you also notice that it was just barely mentioned on the radio
news.

Would you like to bet that if it was Danny boy that got lost in the woods
it would have been the lead story on ALL the network news shows.

But we all know the press is not biased..............
___________________________________________________________________________
                                   \ /        \  /
I had a seat in the very first row +-------------+ 
I heard it all on my radio         | 0 -(....) 0 |    uunet!jack!jsb
                                   +-------------+                         
___________________________________________________________________________


Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: sichermn@beach.csulb.edu (Jeff Sicherman)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,ca.politics,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Mr Clinton
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:39:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

In article <1992Nov4.214658.13280@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.212445.27963@cbnews.cb.att.com>, jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:
>> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>> >Kennedy 1960 (lost popular vote to Nixon)
>> 
>> Bzzzt. Kennedy got 100,000 more votes than Nixon.
>
>  ...from graveyards in Chicago...

  Yes, but if they were newly departed, they may still have been registered.

-- 
Jeff Sicherman
up the net without a .sig
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
From: komarimf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Mark 'Henry' Komarinski)
Subject: Re: Gore got lost!!!!!
Organization: Clarkson University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:04:02 GMT

jsb@jack.sns.com (Jim Best) writes:

>Did anyone notice that Mr Gore got lost in the woods and had to have the
>secret service come and find him.

>Now did you also notice that it was just barely mentioned on the radio
>news.

>Would you like to bet that if it was Danny boy that got lost in the woods
>it would have been the lead story on ALL the network news shows.

>But we all know the press is not biased..............

But Danny(e) boy has done a lot more stupid things than Gore has.
I also hear that a lot of people are going to be out of work since the
VP isn't an ass.  No more books, no more jokes.  *sigh* Even the great and
infamous Dan Quayle Internet Quote List must be disbanded.

-Mark


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Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: rerickso@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ronald D. Erickson)
Subject: Re: 12-hour fire
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:17:07 GMT


I remember that Scandinavian Yule logs are created by soaking
wood in water for a week before burning it.  If the fire is
hot enough, anything can be burnt.  Does this method have any
practical application in a long fire?  Maybe it causes a fire
hazard in effecting soot buildup?  I am just curious.

Ron
AK0N


Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: brucej@sunbeamcom (Bruce Johnson)
Subject: Re: lambs
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 16:08:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: mentor
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

I've used Tanit (or Tan it) for Elk, deer, and snake hides.  Not
especially sure it's ok for sheep skin, but don't know why not.  In
any case, it's available at Tandy leather if you have one around you.
Otherwise you could probably just bring the hides straight to a 
taxidermist and have them take care of the whole works.
 
Best of luck,

Bruce
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: piety@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Bob Piety)
Subject: Re: Pellet Stoves...
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:41:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

About 2 years ago, I compared the prices of fuels-- wood, propane,
natural gas, coal, electricity and-- if I recall coreectly-- found:

	Natural gas was the least expensive
	
	Propane & wood were almost the same (~3x natural gas)

	Coal was slightly higher than propane (10-20%)
	
	electricity (resitance heating) was MUCH more expensive (4x?);


These were based on San Francisco Bay Area costs at the time.

So, given the above, I'd choose propane over wood, unless I had a
free-- or cheaper-- source of it (I do).  So, I don't understand why
one would want a pellet stove-- It seems that it would cost more than
propane and be more hassle.  Please enlighten me.


Bob                      ==================================================
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Palo Alto, California
From: waltervj@coos.dartmouth.edu (Walter V. Jeffries)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Catalytic Converters
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:37:01 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


We have a Sam Daniels 1 pipe wood/coal furnace and would like to add
a catalytic converter.  The Sam Daniels Co. is absolutely no help
on this.  ("We're not required to so we've not looked into it.")
The stove has a 11"od caste iron pipe coming out of the top of the
fire box and then into a 11"od caste iron U of pipe that is supported
over the fire box and acts as a heat exchange.  At the ends of the U
are where the chimney stove pipe connects.  I would envision the 
catalytic converter going in one of the legs of the U.

What are people's thoughts?  Experiences?  What are sources of 
catalytic converters and typical prices?

Much appreciated,

-Walter
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: honig@cs.cornell.edu (Sue Utter Honig)
Subject: watering sheep
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:12:34 GMT

I'm interested in how other people solve the problem of supplying
sheep with a fresh water supply, including during cold weather when
it's cold enough for the water to freeze.

We have 15 sheep on around a 4 acre pasture.  The sheep have no access
to natural water supplies, such as a stream or pond.  Currently we
fill buckets from a faucet at the house and carry it down a long hill
to the sheep.  There the water is transferred into one of those large
"muck bucket"-type plastic buckets.  The value of such a big bucket is
that you don't have to fill it often.  Unfortunately that means the
water sits for quite a while.  However, I'm concerned about any health
hazards that might be caused by letting the water stand and get really
messy before being changed.  Heck, this fall, there were tadpoles in
one bucket!  Am I worried for nothing, or could drinking dirty
standing water harm the sheep?  Some of the sheep publications I've
read stress the importance of a *clean* water supply.

One person I know simply dug a large hole and his sheep drink rain
water out of it.  During the winter, he says they get enough water
from snow.  Seems worse than our method of large buckets.  I guess the
bottom line is - how clean does the water have to be?

Thanks for any information.

Sue Utter Honig
honig@cs.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: rcm@col.hp.com (hpctdfc)
Subject: Re: sugar beets seeds, who's carries
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:50:23 GMT
Organization: Don't ask me, I'm Lost!

boldtp@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (SAME AS IT EVER WAS) writes:
> 
>   Could some one please tell me what varieties of sugar beets are commonly
>  grown comercially.  I have a heavy soil, so if you know of a variety that
>  does well in clay. ( I believe most sugar beets are grown in the eastern
>  Dakotas and Colorado.  Are there any other requirements, High PH, dry
>  climate, etc that are recommended for sugar beet culture? )
>   And lastly, can you identify any seedsman that carry sugar beet seed?

R.H. Shumway's carries "Giant Western Sugar Beet".  I purchased seeds
last year but was not able to plant any, I'll probably try them next
season.  I don't know what varieties are grown commercially, but
there's a good chance it is the above mentioned variety, as Shumway's
also sells in wholesale quantities - 1/4 lb of sugar beet seeds is
$2.65, 1lb of seeds is $5.50 (1991 catalog prices).  They also carry
Mangel beets, which are great for feeding livestock (what do you want
to grow sugar beets for?).

Address/Phone:

R.H. Shumway's
P.O. Box 1
Granitevill, S.C.  29289
1-803-663-9771

(I have no affiliation with Shumway's, I'm just a pleased customer.
Their prices are among the best I've found, plus they sell in quantity!)

Rick
rcm@col.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard Network Test Division
Colorado Springs, CO
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 20:28:10 EST
Reply-To: bernie%bpc.uucp@bbn.com
Organization: Fantasy Farm
From: watpod78@alfred.carleton.ca (Phil Culhane)
Subject: Re: Problems heating with wood
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:50:33 GMT

In <1992Nov9.205401.19025@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> piety@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Bob Piety) writes:

>You might get better results by splitting the wood down to arm-size
>(3"-4") to get hotter burning and the ability to add smaller
>increments.  Your firebox seems small-- my Arrow's firebox is roughly
>26" x 18" x 18" and enables me to heat 2000 sq ft with relative ease,
>even in COLD (30 degree  :-) ) weather.

I have to take exception to this...being Canadian...30 degrees
fahrenheit is cold???  We heat with wood down to -30, and keep our
2000 sq ft abode quite toasty...  *grin*

Phil



Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: de5@ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill)
Subject: Bailey's: woodcutting supplies
Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab, Oak Ridge, TN
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:12:31 GMT

I've got a catalog from "The World's Largest...Mail Order Woodsman Supplies
Company...at Discounted Prices", otherwise known as Bailey's, Inc..  They've
got lots of serious stuff for those who cut wood.  They do seem to be
reasonably priced.  If anyone's had particularly good or bad experiences with
them, please let me know.

Bailey's
44650 Hwy. 101, Box 550
Laytonville, CA 95454
Ph: 707-984-6133
Orders: 800-322-4539

-- 
Dave Sill (de5@ornl.gov)           For every Bill Joy there is a Kirk McKusick.
Martin Marietta Energy Systems     For every Bill Gates there is a Richard
Workstation Support                Stallman.                     --Paul Graham
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: Problems heating with wood
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 06:47:34 GMT

Bob McKay (rim@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au) wrote:

:  The back end of steel wedges are left
: untempered for this reason, which is why they deform fairly rapidly. It's also
: why you should replace wedges reasonably frequently, as all that hammering will
: gradually work harden them to the stage where they may start spitting out 
: high speed slivers (basically, when the back end starts to split, it's time to
: replace them).

I've been wondering about this.  I have 3 wedges that I use (Oak, y'know) that are
starting to mushroom pretty good.  Can I just grind off the mushroomed bits (or
bandsaw or whatever) to get a new (albeit shorter) wedge, or should I just get
new ones?  These 3 look like they're 100 years old, and judging from the other
equipment laying around the farm, they very well could be.

Two of them go about 4 lbs, the third around 8.  I've found it very effective
to pound the light one in with the heavy (good way to control exactly where 
they go), then pound the small one(s) in to open the crack, then force the whole
thing open with the large wedge.  Still, I often have to use the pike to pry the
pieces apart (we're talking 30 inch diameter oak here).   Lots of work, but as
someone mentions, great for releiving stress/anger/tension.

As far as burning times, I have been heating my house lately (3000 sq feet)
with an armload of oak for overnight.  It's a heat-exchanging, outside air
burning, sealed unit (fireplace), and does a wonderful job.  The oil burner
is set at 60F, and rarely kicks on (once/week or so if I get lazy).  Of
course, it's only been down around the 30's at night so far.  It just takes
more wood when it's colder, and I adjust the burning rate with the damper &
"throttle" (incoming air...is there a term for this????)


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Don't blame me; I voted for Perot!                hinzd@picard.med.ge.com 
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