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From: lkirby@axion.bt.co.uk (Lewis Kirby)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: HELP: Frustration using Tools in FrameMaker 3.1
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:49:29 GMT
Reply-To: lkirby@axion.bt.co.uk (Lewis Kirby)
Organization: British Telecom Research Labs


In article <1993Jan4.115854.5637@newsroom.bsc.no>, robmack@bsc.no (Robert MacKinnon) writes:
|> Environment: FrameMaker v3.1, IBM RISC System/6000, AIX 3.2, Xwindows
|> 
|> I would like to know if there is a X resource that can be set for FrameMaker
|> to retain use of a selected tool off of the Tools menu.  I am very
|> frustrated that, when I select a drawing tool (line, circle, box, etc.), the
|> tool is immediately dropped after use and the Smart Selection tool is
|> automatically re-selected.  I would like to retain selection of the drawing
|> tool until I EXPLICITLY request another tool.

Yes, it is possible - hold down SHIFT while selecting with the mouse pointer.
Lewis G Kirby   Telephone +44 473 645807
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From: robert1@sabu.EBay.Sun.COM (Bob S.- Contractor)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: UNIX-PC-UNIX Conversion - How?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:43:11 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: robert1@sabu.EBay.Sun.COM (Bob S.- Contractor)
NNTP-Posting-Host: sabu.ebay.sun.com

I want to take my Frame files from Sun at work and work on them at home on Windows and  then take them back to the Sun platform. Frame says I have to buy a $300 program called Common-Link to convert the disks to the other format. I had always believed that this could be done within Frame. The manual is no help. If anyone out there is working from    UNIX to Windows and back, please let me know how you do it. Thanks

Bob in San Jose
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: jeffy@cray.com (Jeffrey Neau)
Subject: Footnotes and bottom of column/page/frame
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:46:04 CST

Well, the Frame manual say:

   "FrameMaker inserts the footnote reference, displays the footnote number
    below a separator at the bottom of the page, and ...."

But what it actually does is display the footnote at the bottom of the text
frame.

So if you have two frames like this:


------------------------------
|   ......................   |
|   :                    :   |
|   : ..and you put the  :   |
|   : footnote in this   :   |
|   : text column...     :   |
|   :                    :   |
|   :                    :   |
|   :                <------------It'll stick the footnote right here!!!  Ick!! 
|   :....................:   |    
|                            |
|                            |
|   ......................   |
|   :                    :   |
|   :                    :   |
|   :                    :   |
|   :                    :   |
|   :                    :   |
|   :                 <----------Is there any way to get all footnotes to go
|   :....................:   |   down here?
|                            |
|                            |
------------------------------



Jeffrey Neau
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: It's not important
Subject: Re: Frame no-show at MacWorld Expo
Organization: Pre-release News Service
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:57:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.134206.5805@bnr.ca> webster@bnr.ca writes:
>Our company is using Frame as the documentation tool of choice
>mainly because of its multi-platform capability. I can live
>without a System 7 friendly/compatible version of Frame.
>---

I'm suprised Frame didn't make it to MacWorld. 

I have heard from of friend of a friend that they had planned to 
announce the 4.0 version at the January Mac World months ago...

I guess they are having a tougher time getting it ready than first
estimated. the laundry list is worth waiting for though...

Rumor has it that it will be:

Sys 7 savey
Publish/Subscribe
QuickTime compatable
SGML/CALS compliant
Imports:
SGI
TIFF 5.0
xwd (Motif)
24 bit PICT, TIFF
DCS separations

Pantone, RGB, HLS, CMYK colors too...

Can't wait; wish 'em luck.

*Dude*




Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: Mike Dustan <Mike_Dustan@sfu.ca>
Subject: Re: favorite small page size?
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A771BBEC2A042B30@opifex.ucs.sfu.ca>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 7 Jan 93 18:52:28 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d14
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:52:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan05.223805.11270@bass.lkw.com> Brighid,
brighid@bass.lkw.com writes:
>Anyone out there got a favorite small page size? We're going to be
putting 
>out a new manual set, so it's redesign time.
>
>Anyone got any particular horror or rave stories they want to share on
>smaller page sizes? 
>
>I'm thinking of something about 5.5" x 8.5", maybe 6" x 8.25" etc. I
wonder
>about cost of non-standard paper as a trade-off for more space.
>
>While I'm asking for recommendations - anyone have anything to say about
>D-ring / round ring binders as far as vendors or styles go? O-ring and
>perfect bound are just not options for this project. It's going to be the
>monthly supplement style of publishing.

Brighid:
The answers to many of your questions depend a great deal on your
audience and how they'll use the manual. I have no idea what the content
and current format of your manuals is or what your users do with them.
I'd recommend talking with several users (actual users, not just the
folks who sign the cheques) and getting input from them. You might find
that a standard 8.5x11 page suits their needs best! Remember to discuss
updating procedures with them - do they merge your updates in, stack them
at the back or throw up their hands and throw them out? :-) Do they
photocopy some pages for everyone in the office? Is distributing the
entire set each month on CD-ROM an option to consider?

Your printer is the best person to advise you on paper cost and sizes,
double-sided printing pitfalls, cost of three-hole punching odd paper
sizes, turnaround time for standard vs. nonstandard paper, producing
divider tabs and the like.

Having said all that, I do have some personal preferences. For frequent
desktop reference I find an 8.5x11 binder a little too big. However for a
procedures manual where an entire procedure or a detailed graphic must be
visible, the 8.5x11 size is just right. Smaller page sizes often mean
less white space, which affects readability. People who need to make
marginal notes will curse you. Smaller page sizes also mean more pages to
flip through. People in a hurry to find something will curse you,
especially if you do a lot of cross-referencing. I find 8.5x7 or 9x6
pages are a good compromise among these considerations.

Regarding binders: I especially like D-ring binders with full-page stiff
plastic sheet lifters at the front. A sheet lifter or at least a blank
heavy paper page at the back of the binder helps prevent laser-printed or
photocopied pages from sticking to the vinyl. If you opt for a size other
than 8.5x11, make sure you select a durable binder, since most users
won't be able to replace them when they give way.

Hope this helps,

Mike Dustan, Computing Services, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, BC
Canada
From: vallath@vishnu.labs.tek.com (Vallath Nandakumar )
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Problem with typing in popups in 3.1X
Keywords: Frame 3.1 typing popup freeze frozen twm
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:09:42 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <haberman.726443643@msi.umn.edu> haberman@s6.msi.umn.edu (Joe Habermann) writes:
>I'm having trouble when trying to type 
>into popups such as the "Paragraph Format" window.  It ignores all 
>of my key presses.  
>
>I'm using Frame 3.1X on a Sun running SunOS 4.1.2.  It is being
>displayed on a 3/60 with an X11R5 server with vtwm 3.0 as my
>window manager.

I also found this sometimes - my kludge is to dismiss the
popup and then reopen it.  It seems to accept the keystrokes
then.

Vallath Nandakumar
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: sv@univie.ac.at (SteFan Vieweg)
Subject: sorting in frame
Organization: Vienna University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 12:21:33 GMT

does anyone know a way to sort lines or tables in framemaker. one way i have found is to export it to an ascii file and use the unix sort command. this seems to be a rather ... way. 

any hints?

thank you

---------------------------------
stefan vieweg
sv@ifs.univie.ac.at
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: wolff@inf.fu-berlin.de (Thomas Wolff)
Subject: Re: Boxed text in Framemaker?
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:22:00 GMT

robertw@informix.com (Robert Weinberg) writes:

>In article <ByyE96.DC9@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> dwbraam@crg4.uwaterloo.ca (Doug  
>Braam) writes:
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>>   A friend of mine is wondering if it's possible to create boxed text in the
>> middle of a sentence using Framemaker.  He wants to create something like:
>> 
>>   "The Return key is a nifty little piece of plastic..."
>> 
>> where there's a box around the word 'Return' to indicate that it's a key on
>> the keyboard. 

>Insert an anchored frame in the word Return, choosing Left Side of Column or Right  
>Side of Column for Anchoring Position. It's important to choose a correct anchoring  
>position.

>Select the anchored frame, and using the graphics tools, set its fill to None and  
>its pen to black.

>Slide the anchored frame over the word Return, and resize it as desired. If you  
>want a fancier box, create whatever you want inside the anchored frame, and set the  
>pen of the anchored frame to None.

This is one of the many little tricks that are unfortunately needed to 
achieve simple effects with FrameMaker. Like most of them, this one does not 
work well since the box will stay at its place if you edit the text and the 
boxed word moves. This shows that FrameMaker is actually missing a lot of 
simple features for everydays text layout purposes (like, e.g., character 
stacking).
From: bsmart@bsmart.TTI.COM (Bob Smart)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Help For Mailmerge in FrameMaker
Keywords: Mailmerge
Date: 31 Dec 92 02:57:33 GMT
Reply-To: bsmart@bsmart.TTI.COM (Bob Smart)
Organization: Citicorp+TTI

There isn't any mailmerge feature in FrameMaker--which is why you can't
find it in the documentation.

I've had good results with a third-party product called UniMerge, from
Refined Reports, Inc.  You can contact them as:

		mmark@bedford.progress.com

		Refined Reports, Inc.
		14 Brande Court
		Reading, MA 01867
		(617) 944-7795

and they'll be able to get you set up with brochures, demo software, and
so forth.  UniMerge runs on SPARCs and under Windows; I don't know
whether it's available for other platforms.  Basically, UniMerge takes
an ASCII file with your variable data (names and addresses, for
instance) and merges it with a MIF file; the output is a MIF file (or
several MIF files) that you can print with Frame.

There's also a publication from Frame called "Frame Connections," which
is akin to the Sun "Catalyst" book: it's a list of third-party products
that work with Frame on various platforms with brief descriptions of
what they do and how to get more information.  If you don't have a copy
of this, your Frame rep should be able to get one for you.

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A fanatic is someone who does what he knows that God would do if God knew the
facts of the case.

Some mailers apparently munge my address; you might have to use
bsmart@bsmart.tti.com -- or if that fails, fall back to
72027.3210@compuserve.com.  Ain't UNIX grand?
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: hackenbe@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Rudi Hackenberg)
Subject: ? LaTex2FrameMaker ?
Originator: hackenbe@sunbode9.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:56:06 GMT


Hi folks,

when it goes about word-processing, our department splits up into
2 groups: The LaTex defenders and the FrameMaker community.
(Similar to Fortran77 vs. C - interesting to see if those
groups would match ;)  ).
Anyway, I would be interested whether there is a way to 
convert Latex (Tex) files into FramMaker format.
I see, that I could use detex and then format it again
using FrameMaker. But is there any alternative method/tool?


Thanks,

Rudi


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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame,cmu.cs.framemaker
From: harding@sun444.nas.nasa.gov (Steve Harding)
Subject: Re: Compiling a list of keyboard shortcuts
Organization: NASA/Ames Research Center
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 20:35:08 GMT

In article <C0Jt8H.Kxx@world.std.com> artc@world.std.com (Art Campbell) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.111053.2895@sei.cmu.edu> bjz@sei.cmu.edu (Barbara Zayas) writes:
>....
>>I've found that some of the keyboard shortcuts aren't
>>mentioned in the FM documentation.  In an effort to have one,
>>comprehensive listing of shortcuts ... if you have
>>interesting keyboard shortcuts that aren't listed in the
>>reference or users manuals, please send them to me.  I will
>>pull all of these together into a file and place it in our
>>anonymous ftp server if anyone's interested.
>>
>Uh, before you get too far into this great project.... don't forget
>about the QuickRef.doc file in /Frame/docs that lists most of the
>shortcuts (though not all -- like the ^0).... 
>
>Most people can get most of the info from this quickly because it's
>a densly-packed two-page cheat sheet.

You should also be aware that all shortcut commands do not work on all
platforms.  What works for UNIX may or may not work for Mac and/or
PC-Windows (and vice versa).

steve
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From: ref@evolving.com (Randy Fay)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Printing to a text file
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:00:24 GMT
Organization: Evolving Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Several PC word processors used to have a feature called "print to
file" in which you could take your formatted file and print it to a
lowest-common-denominator text file: monospaced text, spaces for
indentation, etc.

We'd like to do this so that we could keep original documents in Frame
format, but still be able to have straight text files available
on-line.  Or perhaps formatted for submissing to comp.text.frame???

CAN YOU PRINT TO FILE IN FRAME?  Or is there a similar workaround?

P.S. - SAVING to a text file is NOT the same thing. I know how to do
that. It leaves you with no formatting beside CRs.

THANKS!
-Randy

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: scott@shuksan (Scott Moody)
Subject: is frame hosted on a DEC Station?
Organization: Man Machine Systems Technology
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:37:01 GMT


Is frame available for the DEC stations?


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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: ask@sei.cmu.edu (Alan Koch)
Subject: Re: Saving a "preferred" setup for startup?
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:28:07 EST


In article <C0IMo7.IM6@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, lam@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Lam) writes:

>I have frame 3.1 will be receiving the 3.1.1(?) soon, but is there any way to
>save a preferred setup.  I always want to startup with a full page display
>which is maxed out for the screen size.  Also some stuff like having the tools
>saved in a place.

The zoom setting, window size and placement, etc is all save in the document.
These attributes for NEW documents come from the Template.
So, Just change the Template and Save it.

You'll find the templates in 
	$FMHOME/fmtemplates
and the Custom Document template is in
	$FMHOME/.fminit2.0/english/costom.doc

ask@sei.cmu.edu

Alan S. Koch
Software Engineering Institute
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA  15213
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: nvecchi@sangiorgio.cscs.ch (Nicole Vecchi)
Subject: Angstrom character
Followup-To: nvecchi@cscs.ch
Organization: Centro Svizzero di Calcolo Scientifico / CH-6928 Manno
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 08:06:14 GMT

I'm using the special Angstrom character in a document and noticed
it seems to use a different baseline from the rest of my text and
special characters--it's just the slightest bit "deeper." I tried
changing font sizes but it didn't seem to help.

Has anyone else noticed this problem? 

Nicole
From: campbelr@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Bob Campbell)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:02:40 GMT
Subject: Re: Crashing Framemaker
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame

I wrote . . .

> We have also been having table troubles.  We have experienced trouble
> with large tables (> 250 rows) and files with numerous (> 50) moderate
> sized tables.
> 
> Frame has been of no help, but we now are comfortable editing MIF files
> directly to salvage data :-(
> 
> Maybe it is time to look at Interleaf again . . .

I am pleased to say that I was contacted by Frame Tech Support Mgr Trish
Mudgett (tdm@frame.com) and at least one of our problems has a workaround.
Apparently, there is a table crash involving Table Titles.  If you find
yourself with a problem table, try temporarily removing the title.

Besides, the FrameMaker spell checker won't let me order Interleaf :-)
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From: icking@plato.chemietechnik.uni-dortmund.de (Martin Icking)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Chapter headers in multiple part chapters
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:04:52 GMT


Hello,

I have a problem concerning the book feature of frame.
We have a large document (>400p) split into some parts
and we want the title of each chapter printed on top of each page as well as page numbering for each chapter (eg. page 3-45). If every part of the book consists of exactly one chapter everything goes fine. But we have one large chapter which we want to split. The first part of this chapter is ok but the following parts don't know about their chapter title or their chapter number so the page header is empty and the page numbers look like -45. Does anyone know a workaround without special page headers for ea


ch part of the chapter?
Thanks

Martin Icking
Universitaet Dortmund
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: scott@shuksan (Scott Moody)
Subject: Re: is frame hosted on a DEC Station?
Organization: Man Machine Systems Technology
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:38:11 GMT

I guess I should refrase my question. Is Frame
avaiable for the VMS operating system 
running DECwindows?

Thanks..
-scott
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Subject: Re: UNIX-PC-UNIX Conversion - How?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:48:37 GMT

In article <1iv3fvINNeui@male.EBay.Sun.COM> robert1@sabu.EBay.Sun.COM (Bob S.- Contractor) writes:
>I want to take my Frame files from Sun at work and work on them at home on Windows and  then take them back to the Sun platform. Frame says I have to buy a $300 program called Common-Link to convert the disks to the other format. I had always believed that this could be done within Frame. The manual is no help. If anyone out there is working from    UNIX to Windows and back, please let me know how you do it. Thanks
>
I'm doing this easily without problem - I use NFS to copy the files onto 
a PC disk and then use those files without change at home. The only possible
problem I could think of is if you're using fonts that are installed only
on one system. 

You could also use FTP to transfer the files, or perhaps a SLIP link. Check
with your sysadm about how this can be done. Once you've got the Unix files
on a disk, though, that should be it.
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame,comments@frame.com
From: noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer)
Subject: Re: Printing to a text file
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 07:30:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan06.000024.141036@evolving.com> ref@evolving.com (Randy Fay) writes:
>Several PC word processors used to have a feature called "print to
>file" in which you could take your formatted file and print it to a
>lowest-common-denominator text file: monospaced text, spaces for
>indentation, etc.
>
>We'd like to do this so that we could keep original documents in Frame
>format, but still be able to have straight text files available
>on-line.  Or perhaps formatted for submissing to comp.text.frame???
>
>CAN YOU PRINT TO FILE IN FRAME?  Or is there a similar workaround?
>
>P.S. - SAVING to a text file is NOT the same thing. I know how to do
>that. It leaves you with no formatting beside CRs.

Well, besides printing to Postscript or HPGL or whatever format your
printer driver uses, Frame does NOT support output for formatted ASCII
text that practically duplicates the format of the document in ASCII.
Saving the text to ASCII retains some formatting, indentations, and, if
you desire, CRs for line ends.  However, Frame does NOT do a very GOOD
ASCII approximation.

A couple of years ago, I thought this was not important.  However, it
would be much more convenient to have a GOOD ASCII approximation of the
output, if only to support the on-line needs of those that DON'T have
access to a WYSIWYG terminal/workstation.  In fact, the biggest
detractors of FrameMaker iterate this very point, over and over, in
arguing against using Frame.

Case in point:  In UNIX development circles, man pages are produced
using the man macro set of nroff, the pre-historic phototypesetting
language.  nroff output can be displayed easily on virtually any
terminal, even an adm3 (can you say, Duh?).  But, when manual pages are
produced in Frame, we lose the ability to display those man pages on
dumb terminals, unless we write our own filter, or modify one of the few
crappy ones that has been developed out there.  It would make life so
much easier if we could just--somehow, someway, get a GOOD ASCII
approximation of the formatted document.

Frame SEs, are you there?  Surely this couldn't be any more difficult
than producing a printer driver.  It would shut up a lot of your
detractors too.

Aaron L. Hoffmeyer
TR@CBNEA.ATT.COM 
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame