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From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: negative attitudes towards breast-feeding
Summary: nursing, hungry all the time
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:31:33 GMT
Organization: AT&T


{ stories of babies that seem to be hungry all the time and virtually
  nursing constantly deleted }

I was talking to my older sister the other day about breastfeeding, she
breastfed 3 kids.  This topic came up.  She nursed fine with child #1 and
child #3.  But with child #2, he just seemed hungry all the time, and
she seemed to nurse him constantly.  Although her milk supply was fine and
the same for all 3 kids, this baby just was hungry all the time.  Just
was not satisfied, even though he gained weight fine.  I think she
breastfed him only 5 months (the shortest time of the 3) and switched to
bottle feeding.  Guess all babies are different.  This child is now 5,
and he's still a bottom-less pit and eats like a grown man, even though
he's not even an ounce overweight.  Maybe he has a high metabolism rate
and a very healthy appetite.  It's funny to see how babies, even siblings,
can be so different.

   Christine
   mom-2-b
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kapa@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (k.a.perkins)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 02:53:36 GMT

> In article <2A87DE84.581D@intercon.com> ooblick@intercon.com writes:
> 
> 
> < hope I got the dereferencing  right. >

> ! I do not think that any faction of xtianity can be said to be a religious 
> ! minority.  Worship of Jesus is the default in this country.

Worship of Jesus is the default?  Give me a break.  Worship of
money and material possessions, lip service acknowledgement to
religious principles in the pursuit of some other cause - that is the
default in this country.  Christmas trees and pre-Christmas sales
at the mall do not a "Jesus worshipping" country make, unless one
has  some strange definition of "worship".  There are Christians
in this country that are insulted by the commercialization and 
co-opting of their holy days as being representative of their
beliefs, in much the same way as any other religious person would
be by such misrepresentation.  It is similar to saying we honor Native
American peoples by naming sports teams "The Redskins" or "the
Medicine Men".

I can think of numerous Christian beliefs that are held by some sects
and individuals at the expense of public ridicule.  Chastity outside of
marriage is one example of a Christian belief that is not widely
held to in this country, nor does the culture exactly encourage
it.  A person who practices this belief out of religious conviction
can accurately be considered a member of a minority group in the
US and can expect to be ridiculed and challenged and thought odd for it.

Kate Perkins
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: markus@mcnc.org (Karen W. Markus)
Subject: Stroller recommendation (old thread)
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:33:21 GMT


With all the recent (sort of.... I'm 600 messages behind!) discussion of
strollers, I want to pass on a recent experience I had.

2.5 years ago, when David was born, we bought an Aprica stroller. It was 
a bit pricey, but we wanted an aluminum stroller and liked the features and
manufacture of it. Well, the stroller has gone over 1500 miles since then.
Davids sitter logs 30 - 50 miles a week on it, and it finally gave out. The
seat broke off one of the supports. 
When I called Aprica, since I live in the boonies (NC) I had to send it to them
in California for repair (more metropolitan areas have repair centers). They
called me back and quoted me $46 for the parts and labor. I told them to go
ahead and fix it, and to get it back to me as soon as possible.
Well, the stroller arrived home the other night, and when I unpacked it,
something looked strange. They had replaced the seat, but wait, the tires which
had looked ready to die, were also new.... but wait, when I looked more
closely, THEY HAD SENT ME AN ENTIRELY ***NEW*** STROLLER! And they only charged
me the $46 I was quoted. Who knows, maybe they took pity on me. The stroller
obviously showed heavy usage. Maybe someone felt like being nice. All I know is
I have a brand new stroller, which David and his nanny can't wait to start
putting miles on again, if it would _ever_ stop raining!

I'm sure some other folks have had bad experiences and have or will post those
too. I just thought Aprica's should get the public recognition they deserve. 
I still can't believe they did it, but I am very thankful.

I hope other folks have had or will have as good an experience with them. In my
book, they rate quite high.

As always, YMMV

Karen (_MOMMY!_ to David, 28 mo and already lining up basketball scholarships!)
(no relationship to Aprica, except as a satisfied customer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Subject: Sweet things they do (22 months) 
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:48:41 GMT

We have a cat who frequently stands at the door and meows to go
out.  Yesterday evening, my 22-month old saw her doing this, got
up from where he was sitting in the living room, opened the front
door, held it open for the cat, and closed it again once she was out.

What makes it all the more amazing is that this is a child who will
usually dash outside himself the minute he sees an open door.

:o)    :o)     :o)

Sue
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: quinn@EE-CF.Stanford.EDU (Christine A. Quinn)
Subject: 'Compulsive' singing a sign of ??
Keywords: compulsive behavior, habit
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: su
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 21:52:07 GMT

My six-year-old son has been singing a lot lately - not exactly
singing, more like humming with the mouth open - and it's starting
to get on my and my husband's nerves.  We at first decided to ignore it
as we didn't want to squelch what we thought was a propensity
for music (his piano teacher, for instance, says he has perfect
pitch).  But after many, many months of it - and several different 
attemptsget him to stop it - we are a bit fed up.  

Ignoring it didn't work.  Telling him when he does it and to stop
had no effect.  Attaching some form of pleasure to not doing it
didn't work.  Finally we tried "If you don't stop singing for the
rest of the day, you can't have desert tonight" (actually we
gave him three chances to stop) - and with such delight as he 
associates with desert we thought for sure it would do the trick, 
well it didn't.

We asked his pediatrician what we should do - if this behavior is
somehow compulsive, a sign of something lacking or of some inate
need that is not being met, but the Dr. informed us that if
it doesn't interfere with what he needs to do then it is not
a problem, and left it at that.  Well, maybe he's right - it
really is OUR problem - not Adam's, as he seems quite happy
when he is singing and when he's not, and no, it doesn't stop
him from doing things, or interfere with what he needs to do.
He practices his piano pretty regularly without singing while
he does it.  

Still, it's the kind of 'noise' that when you hear too much of
it makes you want to scream.  Fortunately, we haven't come to
that - but who knows?!?!  Anyone out there have to deal with
a similar problem - and was successful in getting it to stop
or at least be controlled?  I wouldn't mind if he sang once
in a while, but so much of the time is too much.

Thanks for any tips.
 
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From: snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Keywords: Here comes the calvary :-)
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:55:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NAVAL SURFACE WARFARE CENTER

No Lord, please, I really don't want to get dragged into that thread...
sigh :-) 

I want to congratulate Achim Stoesser for supporting what he posts
I get weary of "I despise &^%$$&^& christians because they are intolerant,
we really ought to eliminate all those *&^$$% intolerant christians" :-)

Achim Stoesser writes: 
>People also sacrificed their children on the altar of your biblical god
>(didn't you read all of your bible or is this selective memory?)

I confess to one of the more selective memories in the history of the
sport and can't lock on to what you are alluding to here.  Would you like
to support this statement... support meaning that someone carried through
with a human sacrifice in keeping with old testament law, either
patriarchical or mosaic.
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault)
Subject: Re: negative attitudes towards breast-feeding
Keywords: not always
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:40:50 GMT

In article <20536@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
>
>
>I was at the mall today, and had to stop and nurse Jordan.  While I
>was sitting there, I chatted with two other mothers of babies, who
>said the best thing about breastfeeding is that you always have the
>food with you, and you don't need a bottle warmer.  
>
>A young (college age?) couple sat down across from me, and the guy
>glanced and up and realized what I was doing, and he was clearly very
>embarrassed.  People's reactions sure do vary!
>
I had to take Liana (age 2 1/2 mos) in to the emergency room for a high
fever (just a virus - she's ok now), and while waiting, Liana expressed
an interest to nurse.  So I did, as discreetly as possible, since I was
still in uniform.  The old guy seated a couple seats away got up and
left.  I thought -- gee, aren't you a little old to be embarrassed?

I keep waiting for the day when everybody accepts nursing for the
natural event it is.  Of course, I'm also waiting patiently for the day
when everybody stops smoking.

Michele, the eternal idealist.
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How about changing 'difficult' to 'challenging' ?
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:34:09 GMT
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

In article <1992Aug12.134052.9410@crd.ge.com> dudding@sallyride.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Kate Dudding) writes:
>My son went through a difficult period when he entered kindergarten, and I
>took a parenting course (similar to STEP).  At the first class, the facilitator
>asked us to describe our family and our challenging child, the one who had
>brought us to our knees and prompted us to take the class.  I found the term 
>'challenging' much nicer than 'difficult'.
>
>As always, IMHO YMMV.  I realize some of you may think this is merely a matter
>of semantics.  That's fine but there's NO need to tell me this. 
>(i.e. no flames, please)
>

Oh please, I want to argue semantics.  Really, really, really I do.  It's
IMPORTANT to me.  (Name that age ;-)

I think your point is to avoid damaging labels.  And I wholeheartedly agree.
To me a challenge is an enjoyable task that will require effort.  A difficult
task will definitely require effort, but may not be that enjoyable.  There
are days when Mitchell is challenging and there are days when he is difficult.
But niether label should apply to Mitchell beyond and above the "art of living
with a pre-school child".  After all, the same behavior in an adult you don't 
live with is neither difficult nor challenging.  

-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rice@cray.com (Jonathan Rice)
Subject: Things They Say [4]
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 17 Aug 92 09:13:05 CDT


I was making candy on Saturday afternoon (in my abundant free time :o) -- see
"Second Baby Thoughts" thread) and Anna was helping.

Anna: That's the tiniest spoon I've ever seen.

Me: This was my baby spoon.  Grandma Rice sent it to us when you were born.

Anna: That was your baby spoon?  Daddy, it must be a hundred years old!

-- 
Jonathan C. Rice    | rice@zizania.cray.com |   Anna, < 5; Ellen, < 2
Cray Research Inc.  | (612) 683 - 5370      | "I'm a man who's rich in
655F Lone Oak Drive | Eagan MN USA 55121    |  daughters." -- G. Brown
From: li40199@prism.gatech.EDU (Ann Grusin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Birth control during breastfeeding?
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:49:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug20.171524.12299@cbfsb.cb.att.com> van@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (valerie.thompson) writes:
>
>I think that IUDs are very underrated.  I've had two different kinds
>(well, 3, but the first was before kids, and very painful...I would never
>recommend an IUD to someone without children).  

.......text removed........

>tried every form of birth control on the market (except the new implant) and
>for me, the IUD was the best.
>
>Val 

I had a CU-7 (copper 7) during the mid-late 70's.  I don't think they 
market this kind of IUD anymore.  However, I did become pregnant while
using it and in retrospect I believe it was caused by high-impact
aerobics.  I was jumping rope as part of my exercise routine.  It
seems that the IUD perforrated my uterus leaving a dime-sized hole. 
The string used to remove the IUD broke off when the nurse tried to
remove it.  I needed a D&C just to get the IUD out.  Nevermind
that I didn't want children at that point in my life.

My point is that if an IUD fails, there can be serious side
effects.  If you engage in strenuous exercise like running, you
might want to think twice about an IUD.  In my case I decided not
to use any form of birth control that I couldn't remove immediately.
-- 
A. GRUSIN
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp: ...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!prism!li40199
ARPA: li40199@prism.gatech.edu
From: cathyd@cme.nist.gov (Cathy Diaz)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: RE:Waterbeds
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:47:03 GMT
Distribution: misc.kids
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology


 In response to the following questions:

1.  Did anyone out there sleep on waterbed during pregnancy and
    did you find this more comfortable? I guess what I'm asking is,
    would it be worth it to haul that thing down here? Or... maybe
    does it not give enough support???
2.  If waterbeds can be dangerous for babies, will I regret having
    it after the baby is born? (Keep in mind that once we get it
    we probably will not be moving it again - it's quite a task.)

I slept in a waterbed long before I was pregnant with my son (1990).
So I preferred the waterbed to firm mattress to begin with.  Anyhow, I
did find getting out of the bed not to be much of a problem.  Yes, I
had to roll out of it instead of just getting up but I believe it is
easier that getting out of a regular bed.  ( I always had to call for
help out of a regular if I napped at someone else's house).

I never placed my son alone in the waterbed during infancy, I was
afraid he could suffocate, but I did place him there when I nursed him
at night.  He never slept in it though, we just put him back in his
cradle then eventually his crib.  We also did not want him  to learn to
sleep with us anyway, so it worked for us.

Good luck in deciding.

Cathleen Diaz
diaz@cme.nist.gov
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Sleeping through the night (5.5 weeks)
Date: 23 Aug 92 13:17:20 GMT


Jordan is not quite six weeks old, and weighs over 12 pounds.  

At first, he slept about one 5-6 hour stretch at night, but then
shortened it to about 4.  (The shortened time might have been due to a
growth spurt, because he was nursing every 1.5-2 hours during the day
for a while, after being at 3-4.  He's back to close to 3 most of the
time, and I'm much more comfortable.)

Last night, he nursed about 9:00 (for over 40 minutes) before falling
asleep just before 10:00.   About 2:20, I heard him whimpering, and
got up to make sure he was covered, since it gotten quite cool in the
house.  I covered him up to the neck, and then slipped his pacifier
back in his mouth, and went back to bed.  He lost the pacifer very
quickly, whimpered a bit more, and so I put it back.  At 3:30, I heard
him again, gave him his pacifer (quite sure it wouldn't work, and he'd
spit it out and demand something "meaningful" to suck on), but he went
right back to sleep.  When he whimpered after 5:00, I was more than
willing to get him up, whether he was or not--my breasts felt like
rocks!  Even after all that time (7-8 hours), he didn't seem to be
that terribly hungry.

So, here are my questions:
1) Is giving him the pacifier like that in the middle of the night a
mistake?  I don't want to get in the habit of getting up at 3am to
give him back his pacifier, but on the other hand, it's a lot less
draining than getting up to nurse him at 3am!  

2) If he gets in the habit of needing his pacifier to go back to sleep
at this tender age (reminder: almost 6 weeks), will it be reasonably
easy to break the habit later?

3) Is it easier to break the 3am pacifier habit than the 3am nursing
habit?  His middle of the night nursings have recently been pretty
short--on the order of 5-10 minutes before he's too tired to take any
more, and we both go back to sleep.

4) Is this too early to expect/let him sleep through the night?  He's
been gaining weight just fine (over 3 pounds since birth).

I guess I'm just asking for other parent's experiences.

--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
From: lcw@cci632.cci.com (Lori Wershing)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: introduction and announcement
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:17:44 GMT
Organization: Computer Consoles Incorporated


I tried this earlier today and it didn't seem to work...so I'll try
again.

I've been reading this newsgroup since last summer when I got 
pregnant, but due to system limitations have been unable to post.
Now, after several months off after the birth I can post.    

So, first off, thanks to all who didn't realize they were
offering me such valuable advice...I appreciated it!

Now...about me...my name is Lori and I live in Rochester, NY.
My husband is Steve and           

    on April 3, 1992 
       Nicholas Robert was born!
       9lbs 1oz
       22.5" long

He's our first (second if you count Buster, the 80lb golden
retreiver, who thinks he's a baby) and he's great.  Just had the
4 month checkup...15lbs 7oz and 27.5 inches.  Gonna be tall like
his 6ft 7inch grandfather.   

I'm thrilled to finally be able to participate in misc.kids...its
weird to just read and not respond (I felt like a peeping tom!)!

Anyway, hello to you all. 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kapa@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (k.a.perkins)
Subject: Re: Whole milk verses 2%
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:53:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.151818.18894@kodak.kodak.com>, salvaggi@sunshine.Kodak.COM (Nanette Salvaggio) writes:
> 
> My son is now 9 months old.  The doctor has told us to switch
> him to milk, which he seems to like just fine.  My
> question is that our doctor has said whole milk,  yet
> my daycare providers doctor insists that whole or 2% doesn't really

Our experience is that as long as your kid is gaining weight
appropriately, it doesn't matter.  Skim milk has the same
nutritional value as whole milk.  The difference is in the fat.
Kids need more fat than adults because they need more calories.

I drink skim milk myself.  My husband can't stand anything less
than 2%.  Maddie drinks 2% because I can't see having a 3rd kind
of milk to buy and keep stocked.  You have to have enough of an
audience for this milk so that you drink it before it spoils, unless
you want to buy the smallest and most expensive containers.

Drinking low fat milk won't save you from a weight problem.  Overall
good dietary habits probably will. A low fat diet is a good start,
but make sure your kid keeps gaining weight appropriately.  My daughter,
since she was a couple of months old, has had her dad's family's build -
50th weight percentile, 95th height percentile.  As long as she stays
on a consistent track and has lots of energy and good health, I don't
worry.

Kate Perkins
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: PLEASE, PLEASE READ! Please help!
Date: 23 Aug 92 01:06:46 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Aug21.181713.25014@disk.uucp> gayle@disk.uucp (Gayle) writes:
>Hi, I would appreciate any help anyone could give to me. I'm recently
divorced, and am breastfeeding my 19 months old son,

>. My problem is that I have been unable to ex-
>press over an ounce (took 3 hours to do that) of breatmilk, and Josh wont
>take a bottle.

At 19 months, he might be willing to take a cup.  That would be
another way to get him to take something while his father has him.
Also, at this age, wouldn't it be possible to give him milk, rather
than breastmilk?  I'm not suggesting you stop nursing him when he's
with you, but I thought that 12 months it was permissible to start
giving cow's milk (not even formula).  

I don't have any suggestions for the alarm problem, but I think you'd
be hard pressed to get a judge to accept that a 19 month old child
needs to have breastmilk to survive.  (Unless there's something about
his medical condition that forbids other forms of nutrition)

--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Etiquette question: bris (sp?)
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:23:11 GMT

In article <23393@oasys.dt.navy.mil> jwhite@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Joseph White) writes:
>In article <1992Aug7.155321.21387@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>
>>blessing.  A party usually follows, during which the mother resumes
>>breathing. :-)
>
>At the one my wife and I were invited to, it seemed like every male
>in attendance, squirmed during the actual cutting, and let out a quiet
>sigh of relief right afterwards.

Yes, I should have been clearer - the father also stops breathing, but
has to start again sooner than the mother in order to recite the
blessing. :-)

>Also when baby cried, every baby in
>the room seemed to cry symphetic tears.

Don't kids always do that?  They seem to have some kind of sing-along
instinct.

Sarah attended a bris (Hi, Zoe!) when she was two.  She didn't join in
the howling, but her subsequent description of what happened was "Baby
got scissors.  Baby cried." Nothing else seemed to be worth commenting
on.

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