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From: alpope@skids.Eng.Sun.COM (Alan L. Pope)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: totally obnoxious camper w/o my espres
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:39:33 GMT
Reply-To: alpope@skids.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: skids.eng.sun.com


>brew made in my Italian style espresso maker. More compact and more efficient
>than any other coffee brewing method, this device is a die cast metal, two
>chambers that screw together, water begins in the bottom part and is forced
>up through the grounds contained in a "basket" held between the chambers.
>
>I highly recommend this method of caffeinated camping. You can get these
>espresso makers usually at artsy gourmet-type stores for ~$16 for an 8
>cup (espresso cup) version. They also come in smaller sizes, but the 8 
>cup version at 8" tall by 4" diameter fits perfectly on my MSR Whisperlite
>stove. Good strong coffee, fast efficient brewing, and no grounds between yer
>teeth, I don't leave home without it.
>
>--
>chad of illinois

I second this mechanism.  But your stove should be way stable as these
maker really shake when the steam blows.  My XGK requires an assist.



---
I respect a man who knows how to spell a word more than one way.  -- Mark Twain
					Alan Pope <alan.pope@Eng.Sun.COM>
Twain, unfortunately, had no way to anticipate Dan Quayle.
From: gdw@moose.cccs.umn.edu (Gavin Watt)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Comments on Yellowstone
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:54:38 GMT
Reply-To: gdw@moose.cccs.umn.edu (Gavin Watt)
Organization: CCCS -- UofMinnesota


We went to Yellowstone last January mostly X-C skiiing and enjoyed it but for the tourists on snowmobiles.  They seem like nice, albeit portly, folks but they cease to be cute as they caravan up and down the roads -- brrrrrrnnnnnnnnggggg brrrrrrnnnnnggggg. You can hear them at least a mile away. I notice in one of the Forest Service postings on r.b that motor cycles are limited to 105 db -- does that apply to snowmobiles too?   If that's 105 db it is too loud. I think all vehicles should be limited to at l






east automobile noise standards.  Ideally to to electric bus or bicycle levels. 

Another middling disappointment: we stayed at the Old Faithful motel (not the handsome old lodge which is not open in the winter) and I walked over to the Old Faithful area to watch the stars.  The disappointment was the mercury vapor yard light blazing about 50 metres away near some park service buildings which burned 40% of the sky.  I guess I should be grateful there were no tourist taking flash pictures (:-)}

/*Gavin Watt -- Colon Cancer Control Study, UofMinn. -- (612) 627-4151 */
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From: burris@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jim Burris)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: light weight coffee makers - (was: totally obnoxious camper w/o my espresso)
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:43:20 GMT
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center

In article <1992Aug14.022423.16281@midway.uchicago.edu> rtp1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>>   I've read somewhere that drinking boiled coffee increases your risk of
>>cancer; filtered coffee reduces or eliminates this hazard
>No, what the study showed is that only boiled coffee had a
>noticable effect on heart disease and cholesterol levels (though
>still a very small effect).  Filtered coffee, if anything,
>would increase your cancer risk, because of dioxin residues
>in the bleached filters.  I have never seen unbleached
>filters for sale in this country.
>
>The health effects are very small for even boiled coffee.  It's
>not something for backpacking vegetarians to worry about.
>

   Probably so. BTW, I have seen and used two different brands of non-bleached
coffee filters. Can't think of their names, though.

Jim Burris
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: rec.fishing
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:57:46 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department





AARRGGHH!

Has anybody flown with MLT Vacations/Sun Country Airlines this year
to Anchorage, AK?  If so I've got some questions about their bagage
restrictions.

Much to my chagrin I've discoverd, just two days before departure,
that they've radically changed their bagage regulations, and they
now only allow a TOTAL of 68lbs of checked bagage, LESS THAN HALF
WHAT ANY ORDINARY AIRLINE ALLOWS.  They also have some ridiculous
size restrictions.  Since I don't relish missing my non-refundable
connecting flights or spending days at the Anchorage airport
waiting for my gear to be shipped via some alternative means,
I'd like to get a feeling for how hard-core they are about enforcing
these restrictions.  The party line is they will not accept the
baggage, period.

If you have any first hand experience with this, please let me
know.  After some research I've discovered the new restrictions are
due to using smaller planes this year (727's) so I need information
from this year.  (Previous years they were pretty loose about enforcement.) 

Please reply via e-mail as I haven't time to keep up reading these
newsgroups right now.

BE FOREWARNED IF YOU PLAN TO FLY MLT:  They did not mention anything
about the severe restrictions until the last minute, after it was
too late to get an advance purchase ticket from a different airline.
Their baggage size and weight restrictions are ridiculously severe,
and it looks like it is going to end up costing me (net) more money than
a normal airline would have charged, and considerably more trouble.

I will never fly MLT again.


-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
From: cgallagh@cordelia.next.nd.edu (christopher gallagher)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Insect repellent
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:52:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Notre Dame

In article <Bstyot.4n2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> davet@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Dave  
Thompson) writes:
> This past June, I took a trip up to Alaska and brought some Avon skin so  
soft,
> because I had heard it was an effective mosquito repellent.   The  
mosquito's
> up there are some of the worst I've seen.  While I found the Avons 
> "skin so soft" an effective mosquito repellent, it wasn't as effective  
as
> some 100% deet repellents.  However, it has the advantage of not taking  
the
> paint off your equipment.  
> 
> Personally, I pack skin so soft and a 100% deet repellent.  When the  
mosquito's
> aren't swarming, I prefer to use the Avon stuff because because it's 
> non-toxic.
> 
> off & cutter < Avon < 100% deet
> 
> >When I looked in my wife's Avon
> >catalog, there were at least 6 different "Skin So Soft" products - bath  
oil,
> >body lotion, etc.  Can anybody tell me which of these is the right one  
to use
> >as bug repellent?
> 
> Don't know which is more effective. I chose the body lotion because I  
thought
> the bath oil would be oily.  In Valdez, I visited a store that sold both  
as
> a mosquito repellent.

I have found that the bath oil is more effective than "Bug Juice" (100%  
DEET).  The bath oil has kept me very happy in heavily infested areas. I  
have use the lotion and found that it is better than commercial sprays but  
not much better.

I have also met a couple of weekend warriors who spend two weeks a year in  
some very nice places that the Gov. decides to send them and the both  
reluctantly admitted the they use skin so soft bath oil.

Christopher
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: lpanton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lauren C Panton)
Subject: Tent wanted
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: oh
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:29:47 GMT

     I am taking a short trip to Kansas and want to buy a new tent for the 
trip (my current one is not usable).  The problem is I do not have much money 
(I'm renting a car too.), so I want to know if there are any places in Columbus 
to buy a relatively inexpensive tent or a place to rent one. Any suggestions 
would be helpful!

Lauren
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Moose & Elk & caribou & reindeer
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:08:29 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Aug20.141730.1@qis.dofasco.ca> moynes_r@qis.dofasco.ca writes:
>Another difference between moose and elk is that moose are generally members of
>a lodge, while elk belong to a club :)
 
O.K.  hold your hands next to your head, palms forward with your fingers
extended.  Touch your thumbs to your temple and curl your fingers slightly.
Lean a bit forward and look into a mirror. That's a moose. :-0

Actually, it an attempt to do a complete investigation into the whole moose
thing I stopped in my local hunting and fishing store.  I asked for some
moose.  Light and dark moose mane is used for tying mosquitoes.  He didn't
have what I was looking for but he went behind a counter and pulled out a
paper bag.  In the bag was a piece of moose hair that was taken from the
face, complete with ears.  I bought half of it.   So if anyone wants to see
what half of the face of a moose looks like let me know.

In an attempt to combine a couple of threads:

Does anyone have the lyrics/dialog from Utah Phillips "Moose Turd Pie"?

-- 
+============================================================================++
| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
+============================================================================++
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: rgh@pern (Richard G. Hash)
Subject: Re: MSR Stoves - Whisperlite (how about Peak I)
Organization: Never bothered with any
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 15:55:25 GMT

>In article <3070031@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> bingham@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (David Bingham) writes:
>>  I too have to put in my two cents worth. I bought a Whisperlite because
>> the size and weight seemed attractive. I found the flame control to be a
>> MAJOR pain. I couldn't get a decent simmer out of it to save my life. It
>> seemed to blow out when pressure ran low as well.
>>  I decedided to pony up another $50 for a Peak I and now I would never go
>> back. It turns out that the only real issue, IMHO, is the bulk. What is
>> apparently an advantage in the Whisperlite isn't really the case. The
>> weight saved is made up for by needing to bring the fuel bottle. 

I did exactly the same, junked a great Peak-1 for a Whisperlite and wished
I hadn't.

But now you can get exactly what you want - Coleman is now selling a new
stove which is essentially the Peak-1 burner head on a platform, with
the MSR-type fuel bottle connector. I forget what the the model is called,
but it runs about $45-50. I've been waiting for Coleman to snap to this
idea (for about 7 years!). I bought one yesterday, and it works just
like I think a stove should work. It's got a fine-tune (and auto-clean)
adjuster and it simmers just like my old Peak-1. The only annoying thing
is that you are "only supposed to use a Coleman fuel bottle with it", 
and sure enough, they threaded the neck of the bottle different from
my MSR bottles. So if you carry > 1 fuel bottle you have to refuel the
Coleman bottle you must carry. Not that big a deal, but annoying.

Weight is not much more than Whisperlite, much more stable, can simmer.
Check it out.
-- 
Richard G. Hash
Shell Bellaire Research Center, Houston TX
email: rgh@shell.com    ph: (713) 245-7311
From: akin@sgi.com (Allen Akin)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Frequency of Bear Encounters on Hiking Trails
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:05:01 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In six years of Sierra hiking, I've never come face-to-face with a
bear on-trail.

However, I did have a close encounter with a mother bear and two cubs
this past weekend.  In the Tuolumne Meadows campground. :-)

Allen
From: kenf@darkstar.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Fortenberry)
Subject: Re: Moose (was wolves)
Reply-To: kenf@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:02:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.190833.3330@uvm.edu> geraghty@emba-news.uvm.edu.UUCP  
(Kevin M Geraghty) writes:
> 
> In some areas of northern New England the moose population has
> burgeoned to the point where they are considered  a nuisance/danger.
> The beasts aren't too bright about cars.
> There's a stretch of highway between Errol and Rangeley on
> the Me-NH border that many locals refuse to drive at night because of
> the moose hazard.
> 
In and around Atikokan, Ontario moose accidents are specifically
excluded from most insurance policies. One simply cannot buy insurance
against a moose collision at a reasonable price. Hence the quaint local
custom of truck burning after a moose accident.

--
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University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign | BITNET: KENF@UIUCVMD.BITNET
Computing & Communications Services Office | UUCP: uunet!uiuc.edu!kenf 
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From: rah@public.BTR.COM (Richard A Hyde  rah@btr.com)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Backcountry Coffee:  Heresy!!!!!!
Date: 15 Aug 92 03:02:00 GMT
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

In article <1992Aug14.115948.18885@brtph560.bnr.ca> jbl@mesaadm.cre.nt.com (JB) writes:
|Am I to infer from all the previous furor that I am the only trekker to
|use (oh God, do I dare say the word.....shudder) INSTANT coffee?????

and the next step.... caffine tablets!  :-)

Rick

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Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: cas@bjerknes.colorado.edu (Cathy Smith)
Subject: Re: Comments on Yellowstone
Organization: NOAA Climate Research Division
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:32:13 GMT

>In article <10198@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> hall@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Harold F Lillywhite) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug20.011237.8653@news.eng.convex.com> oexmann@convex.com (Carla Oexmann) writes:
>>
>>>like that ).  He mentioned an experiment where they put heart monitors 
>>>on elk and watched as snowmobiles and xc skiers went by.  After the
>>>first part of the season, the monitors showed scarcely a blip when the
>>>snowmobilers went by, but skyrocketed when the skiers went by.
>>
	etc...
>It's been a year since I read the book, but I think I remember the
>reasons given.  Snowmobilers are restricted to existing trails and
>roads, most of which receive heavy automobile use during the summer
>months.  As loud and obnoxious as some people may consider the
>snowmobiles, the animals in Yellowstone are used to strange, loud,
>moving vehicles on these roads.  
>
>Skiers, on the other hand, aren't restricted to certain paths.  They
>are free to roam over the landscape as they choose.  In areas which
>are free of humans for most of the year, the animals are suddenly
>encountering these quiet, but very bright :^), objects moving smoothly
>across the land.  

>  Larry Lubowsky         | I'm looking for a job in the Boston area.
>  misterl@athena.mit.edu | Computers, Bio-electrical Eng., Medicine

I'm not sure that the above is the reason.  I think that cars are not
seen as preditors while people on foot are.  Last year, my boyfriend
and I walked along the road in a bird sanctuary (we drove the same
road earlier that morning).  While in the car, almost nothing flew
away unless we were right next to it.  When we were walking, we
appeared to disturb the birds much more; they all flew away from a
much further distance away.

Cathy Smith
cas@noaacrd.colorado.edu



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cas@noaacrd.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: geek@media.mit.edu (Chris Schmandt)
Subject: Re: Backcountry Coffee:  Heresy!!!!!!
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:11:05 GMT

In article <4ZiNPB2w165w@toz.buffalo.ny.us> sheart@toz.buffalo.ny.us (Saltheart Foamfollowe) writes:
>Actually... I have noticed this myself.  I usually do take some coffee
>into the backcountry, but only because I enjoy the taste of it.  While 
>out there, I certainly don't 'need' it the way I do when I am in more
>'civilized' (?!) surroundings of the concrete jungle.

jeez, here I am contributing this this thread, at least its back to
something vaguely back-countryish.   

Out once with a good friend and his wife.  I wake up in the morning,
feeling fairly out of it, wonder if its early symptoms of a cold.
Brew up the coffee.  Half an hour later, still feeling pretty slow,
I decide its my body telling me something.  So we took it easy that
day.   Only after lunch did Lisa ask if we'd noticed that she had 
decided to pack DECAF for the trip!  Oh well, still enough time
during the day to run up the nearest mountain and feel fine...

chris
From: Ecology Center Fund <ecologycntr@igc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:48 PDT
Subject: Re: Mono Pass area backpacking - INFO W
Nf-ID: #R:l8ibhfINNq1n@news.bbn.com:49229057:cdp:1449600018:000:220
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!ecologycntr    Aug 13 17:48:00 1992


Seems like the two respondents to the original post are taliking about
the Mono Pass which adjaces Yosemite Park, while I think the original post
refers to the more southerly Mono Pass which is closer to Whitney.

chris

Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: rbw3q@helga9.acc.Virginia.EDU (Robert B. Whitehurst)
Subject: Re: Moose & Elk
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:58:27 GMT

In article <7cc9023y1eQ301@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> jjh00@OUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Joel J. Hanes) writes:
>
>  rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com writes (incorrectly):
>>
>> The North AMerican elk are more correctly called by the Indian name
>> wapiti - at least that is what a naturalist at RMNP told us.
>
>I hope you misunderstood.
>
>Wapiti is the Native American name for the Pronghorn "Antelope",
>a much smaller animal than Moose, American Elk, or European
>Elk.   Wapiti have distinctive short vertical antlers with
>sharp tips, and vivid rump patches.  American Elk have much
>larger curved antlers, and the male has a heavy rough
>shaggy coat about the neck and shoulders that bears no
>resemblance to the sleek wapiti at any time of year.
>
>Source: A Field Guide to the Mammals (of North America)
>        RT Petersen Field Guide series
>Joel Hanes

	I've seen errors in Petersen guides before, and I'd say
they've got another.  I've never heard/read wapiti used for anything
but the American elk, though I haven't any sources at hand now, and
never heard wapiti refer to pronghorns.  Howzabout just "moose",
"American elk", and "antelope"?  Not really a problem, since moose are
so magnificently ugly, they're unmistakable, and antelope are smaller
and faster.

-- 

Brad Whitehurst    |   Aerospace Research Lab
rbw3q@Virginia.EDU |   We like it hot...and fast.
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: rbw3q@helga9.acc.Virginia.EDU (Robert B. Whitehurst)
Subject: Re: Frequency of Bear Encounters on Hiking Trails
Keywords: bears encounters hiking
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:04:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.091635.3126@regina.cs.uregina.ca> craig@phenix.cc.uregina.ca (Craig Knelsen) writes:
>I just returned from spending two weeks camping/hiking in the Canadian
>Rockies (ie. Jasper, Banff, Yoho and Kootenay NPs, Mt. Robson PP). This
>being my third hiking venture into the Canadian Rockies, I was beginning to
>wander if there really were bears in the backcountry. I had seen one
>run across the highway once and that was it. Then this year, I sighted
...
>I have been reading this newsgroup for a few months and don't recall seeing
>any posts about bear encounters on the hiking trails. Do people just not
>bother with posting articles about bear encounters and how they dealt with it
>or are encounters really that infrequent and of little interest to others?
>I realize that bears are unpredictable and people don't generally relish the
>thought (myself included) of encountering one in the backcountry. Yet, I
...
>Craig Knelsen		craig@phenix.cc.uregina.ca

	I think the bear posts tend to be cyclic on this group.  While
no frontiersman, I have been hiking, etc. for 20+ years in the Blue
Ridge of Va., Great Smokies (black bear heaven!), Yellowstone, etc.,
and have only ever seen 1 bear (black) in the wild.  Partly because I
eschew developed campgrounds, etc., and backcountry bears are more
shy.  I have seen plenty of scat, scratched up stumps, etc., but no
bears, until I was jogging along the Skyline Drive (Shenandoah N.P.)
at dusk early last spring.  A big blob rolled down the bank onto the
road, and as I approached, resolved into a good sized black bear.  I
made a point of keeping distance, although I was close enough to
easily see the radio collar he/she wore.  Then we both grunted at each
other, and went our ways.  Points:  Early spring--probably a hungry
bear scavenging the roadside.  No indication of cubs, but that was my
biggest fear.  We were both a little surprised to find the other.

-- 

Brad Whitehurst    |   Aerospace Research Lab
rbw3q@Virginia.EDU |   We like it hot...and fast.
From: Ecology Center Fund <ecologycntr@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Date: 21 Aug 92 08:52 PDT
Subject: Re: No dogs in Natl Parks
Nf-ID: #R:1992Aug20.172708.25509@walter.cr:-152048232:cdp:1449600025:000:1228
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!ecologycntr    Aug 21 08:52:00 1992


Let me add my $2E-2.

Like Alethea's human, I am more fond of my Zeke than I am of most humans
i see on a day to day basis.  I like going on long hikes with him, if only
because he harasses the cows (from a safe distance, he's kind of a wimp) that
burn the slopes of the Bay Area hills.  But there are a few reasons why I
would NEVER bring him to the backcountry.

1) A scenario paraphrased from some book somewhere:  Zeke walks off a hundred
yards or so.  Zeke meets bear.  Zeke gives low growl of fear.  Bear gives lower, louder growl, with less fear. Zeke runs away. Bear follows angrily.  Zeke runs
right into camp.

2) When I'm in a dog-free backcountry, any canine pawprint I see, I KNOW
is the track of a wild animal.  How could one tell this was the case if
even a few dogs were allowed, even under strictly controlled circumstances?
How much is this knowledge of the wild worth? How much would your wilderness
experience be diminished without this certainty of wildness?  What are you
going to the wilderness for anyway?

3) I like to SEE wild animals. I don't when Zeke's along.

4) Ever try to sleep in a down bag, in a small tent, in a downpour, with a
wet dog?

5) DON'T EVER FEED WILD ANIMALS M&MS!!!!!!!!!

chris