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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Tandy's Multimedia CD Player (VIS)
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:02:21 GMT

kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:
: Apparently it has no general expansion bus, btw.  Typical Tandy.

Maybe they gave it a "processor direct slot".  ;)

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advocacy folks
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 15:20:45 GMT

In article <52689@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@scooby.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Aug29.210801.13940@pdnfido.fidonet.org> scottw@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Scott Weintraub) writes:
>>Figures we'd get hung up on something like this. :)
>>Here's my opinion:
>>Faces is an obscure file format...
>>GIF is a very general file format [but] IMO, not the "best" way to do things.
>>JPEG pictures are small and 24-bit.  [Recommends it.]
>
>	I'd still vote for IFF.  There's an IFF viewer supplied with
>AmigaOS 2.04, and I'd bet that over 90% of the Amiga community has an
>IFF viewer anyway (even if it's Deluxe Paint).
>
>	Since this is an Amiga newsgroup, why not distribute files in an
>acknowledged Amiga format?  I realize that some people who read this group
>own other computers; but in an Amiga group, I think it's their burden to
>find an IFF viewer, rather than an Amiga owners' to find a JPEG or GIF or
>Faces viewer.

Oh, well, if we do this, count me out.   The only Amiga I know of anywhere
is at an Amiga/Clone dealer in town.  I don't know how cooperative they'd
be.

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From: pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro)
Subject: Re: Zorro III cards? (was: 80,000,000 pc's)
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:56:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.054757.21334@athena.mit.edu> fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei) writes:

>[...] EISA is the problem, because put a single ISA card on that bus
>and you've just reduced EISA to ISA.  Not true with Zorro III.

This is a common assertion here on c.s.a.a. that I've never heard
anywhere else.  I'm pretty sure that EISA and ISA cards can coexist on
an EISA backplane with *no* performance degradation of the EISA cards.
It was designed that way from the start.  In fact, some ISA cards are
said to run slightly *faster* on an EISA bus (something about fewer
wait-states - not sure of the details).
 
I'm typing this on an EISA system right now that has an EISA SCSI
controller and ISA video and I/O port controllers.  As far as I can
tell, everything is running at full speed.

>a high performance gain.  So ideally, your high end system would have a couple
>of 32-bit cards and the rest 16-bit.  This scheme would work sucessfully for
>an Amiga like the A3000, but not for a PC clone mixing EISA and ISA cards.

Have you ever used an EISA system?  What is your basis for this claim?

>about ISA which would make this impossible?  So yes, a high end system
>should have some sort of 32-bit bus on it that should also accept
>cheaper 16-bit cards without a performance hit.

Well, on the PC side VESA-compatible local-bus systems are starting to
appear (these are probably compliant with some early draft of the VESA
standard.  I don't know if the finalized standard is out yet.)

For example, Gateway and ZEOS are supposed to be coming out with
really hot VESA systems soon.  Something along the lines of (for the
Gateway) 486DX2-66, 8MB RAM, VESA localbus ATI Ultra graphics
accelerator, 340MB HD for $2999.


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From: johnh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (John J Humpal)
Subject: Re: Crime Re: Perot ?
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:38:06 GMT

In article <BtD4GL.w@starnine.com> mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) writes:
>
>Some folks (most) would never, ever commit violent crime.  Our own
>morality wouldn't permit it.
>
>Some (a few) will not care about morality, but the fear of retribution
>will make them keep their hands in their pockets.
>
>The final, smallest group will be deterred by nothing.  These are the
>ones that must be incarcerated and in some cases executed to keep
>those in the above two groups as safe as possible.  The worst of this
>group deserves no protection of law.  
>

	You're making this up as you go along, aren't you?  Do you have
any sort of evidence to back up your claims?  I'd like to hear about it
if you do.


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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:52:15 GMT
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
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abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
>
>>How much for one of those BridgeBoards?  What's on it, a 286?  If you think
>>a BridgeBoard is comparable to having a PC, you're sadly mistaken.
>
>some luck souls might have a 386SX Bridgeboard.  And if they really know
>what they are doing, they can desolder the 386SX and replace it with
>a Cyrix chip.
>

Sounds great.								NOT!

>
>Now... Jerry... just for the sake of argument  (oops... perhaps I shouldn't
>say this...) what can a 486 do that a 386 cant?  
>

Not much.  There are some minor (minute) MMU and instruction set differences
and a built-in FPU and cache.  It just runs a hell of a lot faster than a
386/387 combo.

>
>>Mike, you're full of shit.  No video support out of the box?!  What box?
>>Find me a clone vendor that doeesn't sell complete systems.
>
>Take it easy, buddy.  When he said  "video" support, he means real video...
>ie, NTSC VHS video (or PAL beta for other folks...).
>

Oops.  Sorry about that.  Oh well, Mike was full of it anyway.

>
>I put a small presentation/animation from my Amiga onto a video tape
>(without any special external hardware--well... unless you consider a
>VCR special... :)
>

Amazing technological breakthrough.  I used to do the same thing (for an in-
store display) with a vintage 1981 Atari 800 that I bought used in 1984 for
$75.  Of course, there were no presentation software packages, so I had to
program each presentation myself (colorful scrolling text and pictures were
easy to do on the Atari).

>
>Take it easy, buddy.  Many of us bought our Amigas years ago... so we dont 
>have those hot-shot gadgets IBM buyers could buy nowadays.  Remember,
>at that time the Amiga's competition was a CGA 10Mhz 80286 system... the
>choice to many of us was obvious... :)
>

No question about that.  But when Amigoids start comparing their A500s to
today's PC's and UNIX workstations, it gets a bit ridiculous.

>
>Kelvin
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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 10:40:28 GMT

In <1992Aug28.185823.26687@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>tsarna@endicor.com (Ty Sarna) writes:
>>Since day 1.  "What real time features does it have" is a
>>semi-nonsequiter.  Something is either real-time or it isn't.
>Oh, I see.  It's that special something -- something intangible and
>unfathomable to most human beings -- that makes the AmigaOS what it is.
>Give me a break.  If you're going to make a claim, back it up with some
>facts.

"Real-Time OS" has a specific meaning. It says that you can guarantee
a specific reaction time to an event. With that definition the AmigaOS
is not a Real-Time OS. But if you constraint your programs to some
conventions (i.e. Forbid'den and Disable'd sections must have an upper
time limit) then the system can be considered as "real-time".

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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:32:56 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
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nverenin@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Spumoni the Fat Wok   ) writes:
>
>	As for MODS, they are one of the many reasons I almost
>exclusively use my Amiga. People in this discussion group and
>elsewhere are always whining about "duh, Amiga no have THIS or
>THAT and I can run BIG MEGA SPLAT DATABASE on my 486 with JULIENNE
>FRIED VECTORS and WARPED SPLICER COSMOLOGY with TWIST of LIME!!!"
>I have this to say: until that PC can run a tracker program like
>MED3.20, OctaMED, or ProTracker, I won't be impressed. Anyone can do
>graphics and cheezy FM music on a real fast ISA machine, even passable animation. But to write or listen to a MOD that sounds almost identical to
>what you'd hear on the radio gives one a true feeling of
>satisfaction, (not to mention doing it while downloading or moving
>files around, hehe.) The Amiga might be all old and crusty and not
>state-of-the art anymore, but if this is 100% correct, then HOW COME
>we don't see those killer mega-demos or 8-channel Oktalyzer modules
>on Jow Blow's 486 clone? The answer should be obvious, and if it
>isn't, I'm not gonna tell you. So there, nyaaah.
>

Have you seen/heard Future Crew's PC demo called "The Unreal"?  If not, I
strongly suggest that you do before you post more bullsh*t about PC graphics
and digitized music capabilities.

>
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From: doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  IFF database of .advocacy folks
Date: 31 Aug 92 02:19:02 GMT
Organization: 68K Software Development

In article <1992Aug28.042605.13190@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>:     Same thing goes for IFF. Personally, I think it would be utterly
>:     dense to go for anything else. For the portrait/landscape
>:     argument, remember that an IFF doesn't have to be 320x200 or
>:     whatever.
>
>I must agree.  At worst, one could define an IFF hunk with the "faces"
>data you're looking for.  Using an IFF format will be the best, both
>in terms of the future (Things yet to come...), and in terms of now.
>IFF code is easy to write, easy to parse, easy to incorporate, and
>easy to display.
>
>However:  I advise, rather than lo-res IFF pics, that a 16-color IFF
>Hires be used as the format.  Lowest common demoninator, don'tcha
>know.  That way, if, and I do say if, one wanted to incorporate
>something like that into, say GRn, one could use a hires display and
>get away with tossing it into a window...
>
>Perhaps, however, it would be better to have several of the same pic
>in different formats.  Who knows, but it should happen in IFF.
>
>Greg

How about IFF-24?  Unless people have objections, we can have the collector
convert them into Hires (16 color) or GIF's, for the beamers.  That should
cover all bases.  If there is to be any one format, it should be IFF-24 of
some flavor.

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From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 29 Aug 92 19:36:11 GMT
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

In article <1992Aug28.150244.22423@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
> >    The generic hardware comes with drivers that are already
> >    installed. For example, the serial.device driver comes with the
> >    machine. If you don't use an external serial board, then that's
> >    all you'll need.

> The point, please?  All PC operating systems are the same way.

That's why every PC application comes with a bunch of drivers and config
files? The standard drivers that come with DOS are virtually useless.
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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate -- hopefully a rational debate, an I an ideali
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 09:09:32 GMT

In <1992Sep3.153516.42760@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>1)  Make sure you know what you're talking about or your posts will
>    degenerate into threads of correction after correction.
>    I'm not saying you don't entirely know what you are talking
>    about, just there are some things that are in error.

Do you think your one-sided comments that greatly exaggerate some facts
and ignore others are anything better ?

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From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: Re: Zorro III cards?
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:42:20 GMT

In article <34851@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:

>That is quite possible.  It requires more logic, since some things will have
>to be routed differently on a Zorro III card vs. a Zorro II card.  Much of
>the problem depends on the nature of the card.

I hadn't realized that the Zorro specs were this versatile. Do you know of
any cards that take advantage of this increased capability? And secondly,
considering the fact that this would appear to be a plausible solution,
in some instances is it often more reasonable to design two cards
(as PP&S have indicated with the Rambrandt)?

>No, actually, its quite feasible.  Its practicality depends on the problem the
>card is trying to solve.  Some problems can't be solved at Zorro II speeds,
>so there would be no point in building in Zorro II compatibility.

Is it safe to assume that the converse (adding features to take advantage
of Zorro III) is also quite plausible? The TIGA-based graphics accelerators
would appear to be have been good candidates for such a design.

>>In the end, A2000/2500 compatibility can be read as: don't expect any added
>>capability if you have an A3000.

>That's hardly a proper conclusion.  That's what you would expect if the card
>is Zorro II only, but if a card does both, you would expect better performance
>in the A3000.
 
I guess I should have prefaced my comments in terms of the Rambrandt, rather
than the case in general :). Hopefully more cards will adopt this strategy in
the future.

Inserting foot in mouth,

Mark

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Subject: Bundling options Was: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine
From: alanb@sdl.mdcbbs.com (Alan Braggins)
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:46:22 GMT
Organization: Shape Data (Division of EDS), Cambridge UK
In-reply-to: stockamp@ztivax.UUCP's message of 24 Aug 92 11:41:30 GMT

>>>>> On 24 Aug 92 11:41:30 GMT, stockamp@ztivax.UUCP (Klaus Stockamp) said:

> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu writes:
>>the dealer do the bundling to make the prices more competitive.  I wish
>>that C= would offer an A3000 with no HD and a socketed EC030.  Let the
>>dealer add the HD, 881/882, true 030, monitor, RAM, etc.  C= could 
>>simplify their production lines, the price for a bare system would be
>>lower, and the third-party companies could benefit by supplying the rest
>>of the components.  Apple has taken this approach somewhat and seems to
>>be doing well with it.

> An A3000 without HD, '030 and 881/882 (and no (much) RAM) ?

> --> Buy an A2000 !

And if you wanted the ZorroIII bus??
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From: 10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 03:21:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.001252.11581@athena.cs.uga.edu> kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson) writes:

>The Falcon030's "PDS" (as it's come to be called) is just a set of 
>connectors which bring out all the 68030's address/signal/etc. lines
>so that they can easily be accessed.  It's not a proprietary bus or
>anything like that, but just a feature to make it easier for others
>to design peripherals that need direct access to the 68030 rather
>than having to do their own hardware hacks to get access to the
>68030.
>
>Steve

Oh, I see now.  I guess it's kind of the edge connector on the GVP 
68030 and 68040 combo boards, the boards that you need to be able to run the 
EGS chip set on.

So it's not a bus, but how many gizmos can you attach to it?  I doubt if the 
GVP EGS has a pass-through and the same would go for the Falcon stuff.

A nice fast bus and slots would have been better...

Interesting...


Jim


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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:33:39 GMT

das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
: Nor was I asking for a comparison! 

If you post in advocacy, you're asking for a comparison.

: Oh, how nice.

: I don't think there is any Amiga 20-30 miles from me,..sorry, but that'll
: be hard to do...

You don't know ANYONE by you with an Amiga.  Are you kidding?  Ask on
the net, I'm sure some local Amiga user will feel compelled to
enlighten you...

: So...computer demos somehow....compete with one another?

This is the one that shocked me.

YES!!!!  I don't know if you've quite figured this out yet, but yes.
That's one of the reasons they're written.  They're written to show
off, and to do one better than the last group that released a demo.
They get together and throw parties and release these demos at them,
and winners get picked.  Yes, they compete with one another.  These
demo creators battle over who's the best demo coder/group.

Quartex, BudBrain, all of those groups.

: I like messing around with UNREAL!  That's what these things are FOR:
: the look at with jaw dropped for a few times and then delete them from
: your hard drive.  That IS exactly what you do, right?

That's what a LOT of people do.  Fortunately, there's a new demo
released every other week for the Amiga.  ;)  But some people see
these effects, and feel compelled to dissect them, understand their
premises, and do one better.

: O. K.  So they are old.  So freaking old i had never ever ever seen them
: before.  I thought it was kinda neat.  What I asking for your opinion...
: at any time?

Isn't this kind of a rude response when someone has informed you that
things you thought were innovation were old hat?  PERHAPS they're not
old hat on the IBM, but you're bringing this up with people who've
looked at more demos than they cared to mention, and have seen
megademos battle for power in European hacker circles.  For instance,
I remember a certain demo that had found a way to do high-speed
blitter scaling...  And it was FAST.

: Well, like I said, I'm not gonna collect this baby.  It is merely amusement.
: It is amazing what people do to entertain themselves, isn't it?

He's trying to tell you what's being done NOW, and you blow him off.
My advice?  Find someone with an Amiga.  Have them show you some
demos.  Go out and buy one, perhaps.  You'll see just how high these
people can make the chipset jump, when they want.

Greg

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