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From: hugo@bluehau.bubble.org (Hugo Bueno)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Air Conditioning
Keywords: CFC
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:08:10 GMT
Organization: The Blue House

borowski@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Don T. Borowski) says:
.In rec.autos, beuf@wpi.WPI.EDU (Richard J Fuller) writes:
.
.>I am bout to purchase a new Geo Storm Coupe....
.>
.>I was a bit confused about the Air Conditioning posts I have
.>been reading over the past week....
.>
.>Can someone explain this 1995 thing to me clearly????????????
.
.In 1995, you will no longer be able to have your air conditioning system
.recharged with Freon-12, the the stuff they use in it now.  The
.use of Freon-12 will be banned.

ABSOLUTELY COMPLETELY WRONG!!!!!!!

PRODUCTION of CFC's will cease on a certain date (1995, 2000, whatever).
You can still use it.  You can use it forever if yiu want.  However,
due to demand and increasing excise taxes, it will get more
expensive to obtain.  Donald, don't answer questions unless
you are informed.

.
.If your air conditioning system never leaks, you will have no problem.
.But, almost all auto air conditioning system develop leaks after a few
.years.  So the Freon leaks out.  No Freon, no cool.  With no replacement
.after 1995, you might be stuck with a useless system.


WRONG - A terribly misinformed answer.

.
.There are some proposed alternatives.  They have several disadvantages.
.Freon-134a is a proposed alternative.  Unfortunately, it doesn't cool
.very well in systems designed for Freon-12.  In addition, it doesn't help
.carry lubricating oil back to the compressor.  The oil winds up in low
.spots of the system, away from the compressor.  Without oil, the compressor
.quickly fails.  Also, this Freon has a nasty habit of chemically reacting
.with any water or dirt in the system, forming acids which then eat the
.components of the system.

You don't have to worry about replacements!!!!

.
.There are some other alternatives, which are mixtures, all of which have
.the disadvantages listed above to some degree, plus some additional
.disadvantages of their own.
.
.So buy your air conditioning now.  Enjoy it as long as it works.  The put
.aside $1500 to $2000 to buy yourself a new system compatible with the
.new refrigerants in a few years.  Or learn how to recharge your own
.system with iso-butane and propane (see discussion on the net from a few
.days ago).
.
WRONG!!!!!!!

.
.Donald Borowski    WA6OMI    Hewlett-Packard, Spokane Division
."Angels are able to fly because they take themselves so lightly."
.                                       -G.K. Chesterton
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From: yhmok@hornet.mips.com (Yeuk-Hai -Shark- Mok)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Supra and Vigor info.
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:14:18 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
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In article <18996@smoke.brl.mil>, cmermag@smoke.brl.mil (Chris Mermagen) writes:
|> >  lexus300 with 300 hp. Hmm, whats the LS400 going to do.
|> 
|> Well, supposedly the new lexus with the 280hp twin turbo
|> will be called the LS300, as opposed to ES300, which will
|> still be the same. The LS400 will go upscale I think in '95
|> if I remember reading it correctly. Minor modifications for '93,
|> but in '95, Lexus LS400 gets longer with bigger engine and bigger
|> overall car, to compete with upper echelon mercedes and bimmers.
|> 
|> Supra should be cool too: 280hp 6 sp. manual.

	Just read from Autoweek that the Japanese Aristo will be called GS300 
here and the twin turbo will not be in it but in the new Supra.
	On the note of the new Supra, why can't it have more techology than Lexus?
This is the reason from Autoweek that the "40valve 300hp 4.0V8" willnot be coming.
I really hate this.

	Shark at SGI
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: Luxury Performance Cars
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:07:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.071841.15821@news.columbia.edu> jrl8@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (James R Lendino) writes:
>   Well, someone suggested an Alfa Romeo 164S, and I'm inclined to
>agree, since I own one.  :-)
...
>along with an increase from 183 to 200 hp through a sportier exhaust
>system (quiet at speed, but it makes itself known with a pronounced
>burble at idle and a racy growl when accelerating that absolutely
>must be heard to be believed; that alone was reason for me to buy
>the car).

it's more than just the exhaust system; the compression ratio and
the cams are different as well.  these horsepower figures are the
official factory propaganda values; dyno tests of stock V-6 alfas have
generally revealed that the factory ratings are _very_ conservative.
the base V-6, rated at 183, has sometimes had as much as 200hp in stock
form, and the S V-6, rated at 200hp, has produced as much as 220hp
on the chassis dyno.

not bad for a 2-valve per cylinder 3.0L hemi, eh?

cheers,
  richard
(1987 Alfa Romeo Milano 2.5L V-6)
-- 
richard welty                            518-393-7228
welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com
  ``if you can read this, mario, you're too close''
    -- bumper sticker seen on a CART safety truck
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema)
Subject: Best Junkyard ?
Summary: junkyard
Keywords: junkyard
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 03:01:52 GMT


 Hello World,

   Whats the name of best junkyard you have ever been to ?
   Service/large inventory/toll free number etc etc ?
   I hope this kind of information will help other readers 
   as well.
   
   Thanx.


Mubashir.

Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: gstrain@nyx.cs.du.edu (greg strain)
Subject: Re: ++WIDDEST TIRE OF 5.5"wide RIM???++
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Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 08:07:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul16.062031.28107@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> lusky@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jonathan R. Lusky) writes:
>In article <15JUL199213101985@zeus.tamu.edu> rcg1597@zeus.tamu.edu (GUYNN, RICHARD CARL) writes:
>>>Pontiac.  They are 5.5" wide and I would like to go for the 'balloon' look 
>>>(where the ribber hangs out over the center of the rim.
>>
>>>PS  I have P195/70R13 Goodyears right now and am looking to go to a 60 series 
>>>Cooper Cobra tire-unless the 60s would look dorky in my wheel wells.
>>
>>
>>
>>	3) This would mean that the safest width of tire for your rim size would
>>	   be 5.5"/.75 = 7.3" = 185mm.  Which would indicate that you are 
>> 	   already pushing your limit.
>>
>I have a 79 Rx-7 which also has 13x5.5 rims.  I use 205/60R13 tires.
>I have a few problems with the tires rubbing the inner fenderwells at
>full steering lock (damn BFG jello-like sidewalls!), but they fit on the
>rims fine.  All of the 12A Rx-7's I've seen autocrossing in stock classes
>(ie..  13x5.5 wheels) use 205/60-13's.  YMMV.
>
>
>
>

I am running 235/85R16 Tires on my car(4WD) which has 6" rims. This tire also
has approval by the Tire and Rim Association for use on 5.5" Rims as 
"Experimental Practice". You should check the Tire and Rim Association
manual for "approved" Tire/Rim combinations.

Greg Strain   <gregs@tps.com>
From: andy@btree.uucp (Andy Bosik)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 5.0 stuff
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:37:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Brooktree Corporation

Yo! First of all, to Michael Marlow and anyone else
who's interested, I just bought a used `91 LX and
it's a very nice car.This particular one has a SALEEN
suspension installed and it's a blast to drive!
I'd recomend an `89 or newer if You plan to do any
engine mods since the these models have what's called
a "Mass-Air Sensor" which will be able to (I believe)
automatically adjust fuel/air mixture if You change
anything.

I have a few questions for those out there in rec.autoland...

The top of the rear bumper seems to get covered with a
black dust within 2 hours of washing,if I wait a few
days before washing again, the accumulation is really
unsightly.Any ideas as to the source of this?
A friend says that it's normal for Mustangs because
the wing creates a "Dead-Spot" in the air over the bumper.

Second question,this morning as I was changing my plugs,
I noticed what looks like a thin film of rust on the block.
Is this basically normal and nothing to worry about, or
should I have the block Chrome Plated :') .

Lastly, I have seen some cars with 17" wheels, and 45 or 40
series tires. Does this improve handling? Would these tires
be wider and/or lower profile than fifty series?
Would these tires fit on a late model 5.0?

Thanks a bunch for Your previous and future responses!

Andy (619)535-3379
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: frankie@osc.edu (Frankie Harris)
Subject: BMW and Lexus: Feedback Wanted
Organization: The Ohio Supercomputer Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:08:36 GMT

I may be in the market for a new car soon, and recently test drove a 
1991 BMW 535. Do any of you know anything about this auto (good, bad 
characteristics, reliability), etc. I'd also like to find out what 
a used Lexus (the larger sedan model) would cost (not sure how long
the Lexus has been out but I'd only be interested in the oldest one). Same
goes for a 1988 -1990 BWM 700 series model -- any idea of what one should
cost.

In other words, I'm interested in used models of some of the more luxurious 
cars since I can't afford them new :). Any input is appreciated.

Frankie
  

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rich@mks.com (Rich Jones)
Subject: Re: Saab advice?
Keywords: Saab Turbo 900 9000
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:04:26 GMT

In article <1bj903f147yf00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> nbaltz@uts.amdahl.com (Nancy C. Baltz) writes:
>I am looking for a two year old car to avoid the expense, but
>am growing more comfortable with the idea of buying a new one.

Don't get *too* comfortable with that idea.  The depreciation on Saabs
is outrageous.  I've seen 89 and 90 Saab 900s for sale this year in the
AutoTrader (in the Toronto area) for ~10K -- the price for a new 92
(base) is about 30K (Can $s) here in Southern Ontario.  66% depreciation
in 2-3 years?  Ridiculous!

I like the 900, in fact I like it *alot*, and I was considering buying a
used one.  But that's not such a great idea either.  The cost of
servicing and maintaining a used Saab is way too high.  And I'm just not
comfortable with the Saturn/Saab/Isuzu combined dealership network we
have here in Canada.  Can you believe any mechanic who says "Sure, I'm
an expert in American, European *and* Japanese autos".

Unless you have money to burn, I'd avoid Saab altogether (although I
must stress that I think they are very fine autos).

>1.	900 Turbo vs. 9000Turbo or CD
>	The dealer in burlingame lured me to his dealership
>	saying he had a 900 Turbo and then had me drive
>	two 9000 series, one 5-speed and one automatic...
>	of course, they drove beautifully, had gorgeous
>	toys, and had moonroofs...
>	But my heart still thinks that distinctive
>	styling of the 900 is pretty great...

Agreed.  Although "styling" is subjective.

>These are the other cars I have tested:
>
>BMW 325i and 325ix  (I am in awe of what people have to say about the maintenance of
>these cars)
>Nissan 240sx (Pretty styling)
>Mazda 626,929, rx7 and miata
>Honda Accord
>Acura Integra

From a depreciation point of view, Honda, Acura, BMW are some of the
best.  I considered these (with the exception of BMW, which is waaay out
of my price range).  I settled with a new 92 Jetta Turbo Diesel.  52
miles/gallon I like.  After 5 weeks and 3000 miles, I have absolutely NO
complaints and only praise for VW.  It sounds like you are biased
towards European autos (so am I).  Have you checked out the VW Passat?

-- Rich.
-- 
     ||  // // ,'/~~\'   Richard Jones                      rich@mks.com
    /||/// //|' `\\\     Mortice Kern Systems Inc.        (519) 884-2251
   / | //_// ||\___/     35 King St. N., Waterloo, Ont., N2J 2W9, CANADA
O_/
From: patrick@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Steam Clean Engine
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:32:08 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

IMHO people are FAR TOO LAZY regarding vehicle cleaning.

I just REGULARLY clean my engine & engine bay normally with a chamois
and car wash detergent the same way I clean the rest of the vehicle
(underneath included).

I sold my last vehicle at 100K Kms/5 years old and people who didnt know
the vehicle were still asking me if it was new (even after looking in the
engine bay and under vehicle). The only reason I sold it was I wanted the
same model in 4WD. And yes I do use my 4WD in the dirt and no its not
particularly difficult to remove ALL the dirt afterwards.

Some brands of new vehicle are completly covered in some sort of factory
shipping spray that the dealer removes before delivery. However they often
dont worry about removing this properly from the underside of the vehicle.
This should be done immediatly as dirt/road grime mix with it to form
something that you need a solvent to remove.

What I find looks really stupid is a half cleaned vehicle: carefully polished
with shiny clean wheels and blackened tyres surrounded by DISGUSTINGLY dirty
wheel archs.
From: v368ucgd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (TOM STEEGMANN)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 1993 Camaro
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:30:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul29.151608.242@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu>, loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes...
>In article <1992Jul29.123706.674@cbnews.cb.att.com>, rescue13@cbnews.cb.att.com (cynthia.a.collins) writes:
>> I understand the 1993 Camaro is being totally redone.  Does anyone
>> out there know details?  I am considering this vehicle as my solution
>> to my mid-life crisis.  Could anyone with details please pass them
>> along to me.  
>> 
>> cac
> 
>They have restyled it differently than the 82-92 models.  Personally, I don't
>care for the styling compared to the earlier models.  Supposedly, they are
>supposed to install the 300hp LT1 engine from the 92 Corvette.  That is all I
>know about it right now.
> 

	It is also getting a few other current Corvette goodies, like
the rear suspension setup, brakes, traction control, 6 speed, as well
as fairly radical styling. It looks pretty cool, and for less than
$20k, you should be able to win most races (including the _beloved_
Nissan 300zx) I, for one, am excitedly awaiting its arival. Its time
to teach the competition a lesson or two.


Tom


>--Rob
From: borowski@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Don T. Borowski)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:15:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Non-CFC A/C - What is the real scoop?
Organization: Hewlett Packard Company, Spokane, Wa.
Newsgroups: rec.autos

I have received a number of requests relative to my posting about using
propane and isobutane as a substitute for R-12.  This is information which
I got off of rec.autos.tech about a year ago.

There were a couple of suggestions for charging.  First, do all the normal
stuff--fix leaks, pump down the system to clean it out.

Then, recharge.

One suggestion is start with a 50/50 mixture, isobutane/propane, by weight.
Since this stuff weighs about half of R-12, only half the weight is needed.
This should work for older cars.  For newer cars, you might want to start
with 50/50, and then work up to 35/65 (weight %, about 6 oz. isobutane,
12 oz. propane).  Race the engine on a hot day with gauges connected, and
make sure the head pressure stays below 350-375 for 20-30 seconds before
you are ready to run on it.  If the head pressure goes to high, dump some
of the mixture and increase the proportion of isobutane.

Another poster suggests 2 or 3 6-oz. cans of isobutane and a 14 oz. can of
propane.  This sounds like a bit too much to me, especially with newer
cars.

I like the idea of using the gauges.

Several notes.  Use refrigerant grade (low moisture) gasses.  The propane
sold to run your gas grill will not be dry enough.  High quality gasses
are available through welding supply houses, refrigeration outlets, and
chemical supply companies.

Moisture is a problem only to the extent that it can cause ice to form
internally in the A/C system.  Unlike freon, these hydrocarbons will not
form acids with water.

All hydrocarbons are misable (sp?) in each other.  You want the refrigerant
to mix with the oil in an A/C system in order to bring the oil back to the
compressor.  Else, the oil winds up in low points in the evaporator and
condensor, which doesn't help lubricate the compressor.  R-12 does a good
job at this.  The proposed substitute (R-134a) does not.  That is why
just putting R-134a into an R-12 system will ruin the compressor in short
order.  Some fairly exotic lubricants are used in the new R-134a systems.

The isobutane/propane mixture is a zeotrope, that is, if there is a leak
in the system, the concentrations of these two components will change.
Thus, if you are not using gauges, you have to dump the system and start
over to get the right proportions.  On the other hand, zeotropic mixtures
tend to provide better cooling performance since they utilize the evaporator
and condenser more efficiently.

The "gas" odor which you smell (at least in propane) is from an additive,
mercaptin.  The concentration is quite small, and should have not negative
effects.


Donald Borowski    WA6OMI    Hewlett-Packard, Spokane Division
"Angels are able to fly because they take themselves so lightly."
                                       -G.K. Chesterton
From: mfugazzo@resdgs1.er.usgs.gov (Mark Fugazzotto)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Vega parts wanted!!
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:28:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: United States Geological Survey
Originator: mfugazzo@resdgs1.er.usgs.gov


  I am interestd in any parts (excluding drive train components)
from Chevy Vega's years 71-77. preferably the '76 hatchback model. 
Things I am particuarily interested in are:
      front and rear polished aluminum bumbers (no rubber guards)

      front chrome trim, headlight trim, grill trim('76 model), etc

      a pair of rust free doors and rear hatch(any southern cars?)

      black interior(all plastic peices) and black dashboard cover-
      no cracks, black headliner.
       
      any other accessories, spoilers, louvers, etc...
  Please e-mail your list today! there must be some of these old
jewels still out there somewhere.
                                  thanks.... M F
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: eoates@us.oracle.com
Subject: Re: Connolly Hide Food
Organization: Oracle Corporation, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:23:56 GMT
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              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Jul29.205259.19374%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu>, mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Mike Suter) writes:
> paasch@kepler.ME.ORST.EDU (Bob Paasch) writes:
> 
>>>A while back I remember seeing some positive reviews of a treatment
>>>for leather seats called "Connolly Hide Food", or something close to
>>>that.
> 
>>Try your local Jaguar or Porsche dealer.  Expect to pay
>>about $10 for a jar.  The stuff is worth it (IMHO).
> 
> Does this stuff leave a 'greasy' residue, like Mink Oil? Lexol is
> advertised as not leaving a residue, but I haven't tried it.
> 
> Mike
> -- 
> mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu

I've used both Hide Food(tm) and Lexol on my cars.  Both are good products.  My
Ferrari has Connolly leather, so I use the recommended product (Hide Food). 
Used properly, it does not leave a residue.  But you can't just wipe it on,
wipe it off, and expect best results.  You must wipe it on, wait a while, wipe
off excess, wait a while, wipe again, then it's fine.  Same instructions apply
to Lexol, which I use on my Ford Explorer leather.

Ed Oates (my opinions, not Oracle's)
From: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: HOW TO DETERMINE YEAR OF
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:57:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 

-> I was wondering how to determine the year a car was manufactured. I
-> was thinking of getting a 87-89 Integra and if I get an 89,
-> I want to make sure it's not an 87 or 88.  Is there something
-> on the car that tells you what year it is?

  Yeah, all you got to do is look on the driver's side door.  On the
body of the car, there is a silver plate about 3"x2" that gives the
manu. date, and all that stuff.


 Erich Lim
   erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us

From: rdk@secondfloor.Eng.Sun.COM (Robert Kieronski)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Non CFC Air Conditioning
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:48:06 GMT
Reply-To: rdk@secondfloor.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: secondfloor

In article 6874@Synopsys.Com, karen@synopsys.com (Karen Vahtra) writes:
>In article <nstern.711752040@hbiso> nstern@hbiso.ma30.bull.com (Neil Stern) writes:
>>Hi,
>>
>>2) What cars are available today (or will be available for the '93 model
>>   year) that use non-CFC refrigerant?
>>
>
>The Infiniti J30 uses a non-CFC refrigerant.

So does (or will) the Ford Taurus in '93
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: singh@r-node.gts.org (Rajendra Singh)
Subject: Re: Yokohama tires
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX System (416-249-5366) 24hrs.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 20:07:27 GMT

In article <hgm.711980096@fbi.cc.ncsu.edu> hgm@ncsu.edu (Hal G. Meeks) writes:
>A lot of people that I've talked to about tires have spoken highly of Yoko
>A509's as well. Unfortunately, I needed money for other things at the time,
>and couldn't afford the extra expense. 

I installed a set of 4 A509's on my car a few months ago, and so far I
love them.  Question though:  Are these tires any good in snow?  The guy
I bought them from (a wholesaler), said that it would be my best bet for
the summer and winter.

BTW, how many people would agree with the statement "GoodYear Eagle
VR50's suck the big one!" ?

Raj
From: chilton@crc.ricoh.com (Jeff Chilton)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Novice Question
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:21:09 GMT
Organization: Waldo  Fudpucker's  Flea  Circus

koustubh@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Koustubh Jha) writes:
> 
>   What is the difference between a sunroof and a moonroof ?

    Operating time :-)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: SETTLE@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jeff Settle)
Subject: Re: TO: LOSZEWSKI_IM@SAGE.HNRC.TUFTS.EDU
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:38:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.132050.176@lrc.edu>
blosser_cy@lrc.edu writes:
 
...One would think that someone with brains enough to be concerned about the
...environment would also be capable of speaking in a calm and reserved tone
...rather than resort to the profanity and hatred that lesser beings employ.
 
This is an interesting comment from the same person that can produce the
following:
 
...Hey, you snot-nosed wimp, I would have been your father, except the wino in
...front of me had first dibs and besides...I didn't have change for a dollar.
...
...Watch who you're talkin' to, you slime-sucking shitfaced pond scum. So what
...if my dress code doesn't meet your standards...*you* got a funny name!
...
...Go play in traffic,
...
...Kristoph
 
This guy just likes to antagonize people and see their reaction.  More of this
juvenile can be found on rec.guns.  I suggest we ignore him and maybe he will
go play somewhere else.
 
Jeff Settle (NOT StorTek).... At least I have a name.