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Date:         Sun, 23 Aug 1992 22:02:36 EDT
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From:         MGLUCK@SUVM.BITNET
Subject:      NATO ASI subsequent research

Folks,
   I attended the NATO ASI in Spain on cognitive and linguistic aspects of
geographic space as a 'junior' researcher. I can only speak to my own ongoing
work.  I have had several papers presented and published in the proceedings of
the American Society for Information Science.  These deal with differences in
communicating directions on email and voice mail, a knowledge frame for such
general computer mediated communication of directions, and the preliminary
results of a study looking at user based processes for general GIS use.  Also,
my dissertation work (data analysis as we speak) addresses the concept of
performance with geographical multimedia from both a system and users view.
   I'd say the meeting sponsored by NCGIA was a large influence on my
subsequent work, and can't thank the sponsors enough for having let me
participate.  I have made excellent use of the worldwide contacts I made
there.  That meeting certainly jumpstarted my academic career in this area.
    I know that Scott F and Mike Gould, other 'junior' participants, profitted
from the meeting.  I wonder if there is any interest on the part of the
NCGIA or a group of participants to attempt to amass a bibliography of
subsequent work that was stimulated by the meeting two years ago?
(Any reaction David Mark?)     -----     Myke Gluck
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From: anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje)
Subject: Re: Arc, X, and emulators (was Sun Arc/Info..PC)
Keywords: n
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:52:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.190434.12024@coe.montana.edu> osycs@giac1.oscs.montana.edu (Craig Spannring) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.170557.9480@cco.caltech.edu> anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje) writes:
>>In article <9208280009.AA27781@merlin.universe> esri!merlin!barry@UUNET.UU.NET (Barry Zickuhr) writes:
>>>runs under - OpenWindows and Motif - are 100% X11R4.  In fact, we have
>>
>>Bzzzzz WRONG! They are not 100% X11R4 compatible. Be realistic. It IS
>
>I think you have misunderstood somehting here.  Motif and OpenWindows
>run as a layer on top of X Windows.  No more, no less.  It is not possible
>to have Motif or OpenWindows running without having X running on the 
>machine also.
>

No misunderstanding at all. Since you have an X server/client running
UNDER OPENWINDOWS and Motif, then OPENWINDOWS != XWINDOWS. It is simply
a layered product. THAT'S the point. OPENWINDOWS and MOTIF are not
the SAME program.

>>possible for a vendor to program something that runs under OpenWindows
>>but will NOT run 100% the same under X.
>
>All that OpenWindows does is provide services to application programs.
>OpenWindows in turn requires certain services that X provides.  OpenWindows
>can't run without X.

Correct again. But X CAN run without Openwindows (as it does on some
of our machines). THat is the whole point of my statements that
X and OPENWINDOWS are not two equivalent identities as was eluded to 
by the tech rep from ESRI. That's the whole point.

anne
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From: jschlage@moose.uvm.edu (Joel D. Schlagel)
Subject: Arc/Info & Ctrl-D
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:50:02 GMT


When using Arcedit 6.0.1, multiple windows can be used
to provide different views of a coverage.

Ctrl-D is used to kill an active graphics window.

Ctrl-D is also the equivelent of typing "QUIT NO" in 
the text window.  Guess how I found this out....

Is there a simple way to make Arc a little more
idiot/slip proof, like making ^D echo "QUIT YES"?

thanks for any suggestions



______________________________________________________________________


  Joel D. Schlagel                phone: (802) 656-3325
  223 Aiken Center                  fax: (802) 656-8683
  University of Vermont           email: joel@wildlife.emba.uvm.edu
  Burlington, VT 050405                  jschlage@moose.uvm.edu

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From:         Jim Tenbrink <esri!harley!jimt@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      Re: points on a sphere
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> Subject:      points on a sphere
>
> I am looking for a method of distributing points at (approximately?)
> equally-spaced intervals on the surface of a sphere. Does anyone
> know of any references to algorithms or descriptions of procedures
> which will do this? Each point will actually represent an area of the
> globe, associated with a climatic variable. I know I can project the
> data onto an equal-area or equi-distant projection, but I would like
> to work directly on the spherical coordinates.
>
> Thanks for any help,
> DAH.
>
>
>       __    __                         |  David A. Holland
>      /   ) /  \  /   )     ######\     |  University of Essex, Wivenhoe Park
>     /   / /__ / /__ /     # `.`.`.\    |  Colchester, Essex, CO4 3SQ, UK.
>    /__ / /   / /   /     # `.`.`. o\   |
>     _____________ /       \________\_> |  email  holld@essex.ac.uk
>                             #    #     |  PHONE  (+44) 206 873022
>

I know there's a reference for the following algorithm somewhere. Maybe
somebody else can supply it.

Start with an equal-sided tetrahedron embedded in an imaginary sphere.
Iteratively deform the tetrahedron in the following way. The first
deformation adds one point to the center of each face, then connects each
new point to the points incident on the new point's containing face.
Now push the new points out to their correct positions on the sphere.
Repeat this process recursively for each new face. All faces at a given
level of recursion will have identical areas, and all of a given point's
nearest neighbors will be an equal distance away from the point.

I think David Mark knows the source for this algorithm.

Jim TenBrink
jimt@esri.com
my thoughts are my own
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From:         jan mersey <GEOJAN@VM.UOGUELPH.CA>
Subject:      electronic atlases

I would appreciate receiving any references subscribers may be aware of
to the design and production of electronic atlases; particularly those
run on microcomputers using software such as hypercard.  Thanks!!
Jan Mersey, University of Guelph, Canada.
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From:         dt11 <Derek_THOMPSON@UMAIL.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Color slide scanners
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There is a comprehensive review of slide scanners in the October 1992 issue
of MacWorld.

Derek Thompson
U. of Maryland at College Park
dt11@umail.umd.edu
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From: cogs1@slate.mines.colorado.edu (THOEN WILLIAM )
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Subject: Re: GIS FTP sites
Date: 2 Sep 92 02:08:15 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

In article <9208312340.AA03235@tjhsst> nurban@TJHSST.VAK12ED.EDU (Nathan Urban) writes:
>I'm looking for FTP sites for GIS data; references to FTP sites
>with any kind of GIS data are welcome, but I would especially
>appreciate references to sites storing digital orthophoto quads.
>I am aware of GLIS and other similar sites; I'm looking for an
>FTP site.  Thank you.
>

Way back in May, I put a list together of ftp sites for earth scientists.
It contained quite a few sites that had data sets suitable for some GIS
work.  It is available via ftp at csn.org, and it's in the COGS/ directory.
Its name is 'internet.resources.earth.sci'.  

It's a little out of date, but a new version is in the works. Much of
what's listed is still good.
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From: atul@nynexst.com (Atul Chhabra)
Subject: Scanning E size engineering drawings 
Keywords: scanning
Reply-To: atul@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 16:56:42 GMT


I need to scan about thirty E size engineering drawings 
(approximately 36" x 58") into tiff format images at 300 dots
per inch. Is there any one out there who can provide this scanning
service for a fee? Any help would be appreciated. I am posting on 
GIS newsgroups because GIS people often scan large maps and may
know of outfits that provide such scanning services. 

If possible, please reply by email.

Thanks.
Atul Chhabra
==============================================================
Atul K. Chhabra                        Phone: (914)644-2786
Member of Technical Staff                Fax: (914)644-2404
NYNEX Science & Technology          Internet: atul@nynexst.com
500 Westchester Avenue
White Plains, NY 10604
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From:         states@SFU.CA
Subject:      Re: Neural Nets applied to GIS?
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              at Aug 27, 92 8:17 pm

>
> Has anybody used neural networks to examine remote sensing images
> and map layers in a GIS (Geographical Information System)?  We are
> hoping to use them to find archaeolgical sites, but any application
> to GIS problems is of interest.
>
Your e-mail address did not show up. Please send contact e-mail address.
I am undertaking similar investigations and would like to share.

G. States.  Department of Geography, Simon Fraser University, B.C. Canada.

e-mail:   states@sfu.ca
From: dmark@acsu.buffalo.edu (David Mark)
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Subject: Re: Advice needed:  Irregular survey (T&R) -->Lat Long
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:39:06 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Sep1.165919.18918@ms.uky.edu> bmw@ncc.uky.edu (Brian Whiting) writes:
>I have some x,y info which is currently in paper form and I am 
>thinking of ways to get it into lat-long.  The present xy format
>is Township & Range, but irregularly surveyed.  To further
>complicate the translation process, the notation regarding location
>withing the section is not consistent.  One entry might read
>
>NE 1/4 of NW 1/4 of S3, 1200 ft. from East line and 2000 ft. from N
>line
>
>while another may reference the S and W lines.
>
>So, I want to take inconsistently described x,y info into nice
>consistent lat long.  Having only a passing acquaintance with
>GIS, I would like to hear from you experts whether this is trivial
>and easily accomplished with e.g. GRASS or will I be required to
>manually spot the locations on a map then digitize them.  Or would
>this be doable with the USGS transformation routines (the FTP address
>of which I have lost).
>
>Any help with this would be appreciated.
>

A company called ZYCOR, in Austin Texas, developed software to do this, I
believe with oil industry clients in mind.  I can't recall whether this
has been published, but if so, Steve Zoraster would probably be an author.
So you might try a literature search for Zoraster, or telephone directory
assistance for Austin.

David Mark
dmark@sun.acsu.buffalo.edu
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From:         Edie Rasmussen <EMR1@PITTVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Soundex Algorithms

Here are a couple of references that refer to the Soundex algorithm:

  H.L. Berghel, A logical framework for the correction of spelling
  errors in electronic documents, Information Processing & Management,
  23(5), 477-494, 1987.

  E.B. McClelland et al, Two approximate operators for a data base
  query language: sounds_like and close_to.  IEEE Transactions on
  Systems, Man, and Cybernetics, 18(6), 873-884 (1988).

I've never actually seen the original Soundex description but the
above give it as:

  M. Odell and R. Russell, U.S. Patents 1,261,167 (1918) and
  1,435,663 (1922).


Edie Rasmussen
University of Pittsburgh
From: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
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Subject: Re: Arc, X, and emulators (was Sun Arc/Info..PC)
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:37:22 GMT
Reply-To: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
Organization: Prifysgol Cymru, Aberystwyth

On 30 Aug 92 20:18:37 GMT, esri!merlin!barry@UUNET.UU.NET (Barry Zickuhr) said:

barry> I would like to clarify some things, lest the original intent of
barry> my posting be misconstrued.

barry> 1) Arc runs under OpenWindows or Motif - both of which run under
barry> X.  Arc 6.1 specifically includes Motif support on the Sun.

I think there is a little problem with terminology here. Motif is a GUI
and a set of libraries that support it. It is an extension to the X
windows protocol and system.

OpenWindows instead is a complete window system produced by Sun, and
based on their NeWS/Postscript display technology. OpenWindows also has
an X windows emulation mode, under which it behaves as if it were an X
windows implementation. So, OpenWindows does not run under X, but quite
the opposite actually.

What you may be saying is that Arc support both Open*Look* and Motif.
OpenLook, like Motif, is a GUI and a set of supporting libraries.
OpenLook has been implemented under both Xwindows and OpenWindows, and
indeed is the default GUI for OpenWindows; as far as I know, Motif is
only implemented under Xwindows (which includes the Xwindows
compatibility mode of OpenWindows).

From the observations made by your customers I seem to understand that
the Arc implementation supports the Motif and OpenLook GUIs, but that it
requires OpenWindows as its windows system in either case, probably
because it uses facilities that are that part of OpenWindows that does
not just emulate Xwindows.

--
Piercarlo Grandi                   | JNET: pcg@uk.ac.aber
Dept of CS, University of Wales    | UUCP: ...!mcsun!ukc!aber-cs!pcg
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From:         "P.Sincak" <KUKO@CSPUNI12.BITNET>
Subject:      info

Hello,


     We have  some experience with  the database system  INGRES. We
have read that  GIS world wide system is made  on INGRES DB. Will
you write me something about this GIS application? Is it possible
to obtain any demo version?
     We have access to this hardware support: MicroVax 3100
                                              DECnet
                                              NCD,VT420,VT330 terminal
                            software: INGRES V6.4
                                      INGRES Windows 4GL



Thank You for Your time.

Peter Sincak
Technical University
040 01 Kosice
Czecho-Slovakia

E-mail : KUKO@CSPUNI12
From: vernon@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Gregory Scott Vernon)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: Universal use of GIS
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:27:30 GMT
Organization: Boeing



Now one must remember, there are a large number of people who can't even
read a road map.  Even a street map is a pretty complex piece of work.
As John Sherman always said, you must know who your audience is before
you create you product.  The question is: Can this audience handle the
vast quantity of information coming their way?



Greg Vernon  Engineering Standards Distribution System |  An Earth is a
             Boeing Materials Technology               |  terrible thing
             internet: vernon@bcstec.ca.boeing.com     |  to waste.
             at&t:     (206)234-3865                   |
This is your Earth.  This is your Earth on Carbon Dioxide.  Any Questions?
Disclaimer: My opinions are not necessarily the same as Boeing's
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From:         Martin Feuchtwanger <feuchtwa@SFU.CA>
Subject:      Data on ICA conference in Cologne, anyone?
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Do you know the details on the ICA conference in Cologne in May '93?

I'd like to know the dates for paper submission, details on
registration, etc.

Thanks.
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Sorry, deadline for abstracts was: June 1st, 199"2".  - FH
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From:         STGG8004@IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE
Subject:      MicroCAM

I know this is not wholly central to the theme of this forum, but I am
seeking help with MicroCAM, and hope someone can suggest solutions?

Does anybody know anything about the format in which line data supplied
with MicroCAM are stored? The data themselves are based on the old WDBII
files, which are public domain (as is MicroCAM now I believe). Therefore
I assume there is no objection in principle in using the same data files
(world coastlines, national boundaries, inland waterways, etc) in other
software such as IDRISI? But, how to get at the data? They are all stored
in Binary, and experiments with different "guesses" as to the format have
so far failed.

In a similar vein, MicroCAM offers output in a variety of formats including
.DXF, HPGL, Drafix (whatever that is?) and MCX (which I assume is its own
export format). Can anyone suggest how (or if) the output can be converted
to, or imported by, paint/dtp software normally capable of reading .PCX,
TIFF, GEM, or CGM formats?

Thanks in advance,
Darius Bartlett, Cork, Ireland
(DJB@IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE)
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From:         "Theodore B. Samsel" <tbsamsel@DG11SVARMD.ER.USGS.GOV>
Subject:      ZYCOR e-mail
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Last I knew ZYCOR had e-mail. Try contacting Barbara Solomon at
BSOLOMON@ZYCOR.LGC.COM
or   BBS@ "         "
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`~~~~
Ted Samsel.......TBSAMSEL@QVARSA.ER.USGS.GOV..(use this!)
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Subject:      Re: to B. Jacobson

Bob Jacobson asks:

> What has followed on the NATO meeting?  Are we closer to under-
> standing the nature of space?  What is being done to implement
> this enhanced understanding?  I suspect there is work being done
> but it gets too little attention outside the company of scholars.

One wouldn't expect that a conference (ASI) called "Cognitive and
Linguistic Aspects of Geographic Space" would produce many concrete
results, at least in the short-term, but there have been some minor
spin-offs.

1. Cooperative research by David Medyckjy-Scott (Computer and
Info Science) and Mark Blades (Cognitive Psychology) who met
at the ASI. Several papers on sort of the role of spatial cognition
in GIS design have resulted.

2. Several treatments of metaphor's possible role in GIS design--
metaphor was a main thread through the ASI. (There still exists a
core of GIS people who see metaphor as trivial/noninteresting/not
techie enough for applicability to anything practical, but I suspect
people thought that of 'mental models' too. Now some designers realize
that you can't just shove 'reality' down the user's throat: they
have their own.) Metaphor papers and articles will be around for a
while.

3. At least a couple of doctoral dissertations, including mine and
that of Joan Nunes (Univ Autonoma de Barcelona), on the topic.

4. The upcoming meeting in Pisa, which is a direct spin-off as it
was organized by ASI participants interested in continuing the dialog.

5. Probably other things we have not yet haerd about, since not all the
participants (or others interested in the topic) are on GIS-L.
'Magine that.

Mike Gould
ESRI-Spain
(responsible for most of the typos in the ASI book ;))
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From:         Jim Westervelt <westerve@ZORRO.CECER.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: Re: Grass E-mail Address
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# I don't know how to contact the (GRASS) organization by
# e-mail. Can you help me?
#
# Thank you!!!
#
# Hing-bun, Lau
# e-mail address: hblau@cucs11.cuhk.hk

Start with Brenda Johnson in the Office of GRASS Integration (OGI)
   brenda@zorro.cecer.army.mil
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Subject:      Re: electronic atlases

Hello Curt:

     1. The problem may stem from your mailer.  I always seem to get a
        notice regarding the original sender.  I have included the
        header from your post to GIS-L to demonstrate, but have deleted
        some of the extraneous lines.
           NOTE: even though GIS-L is designated as both the sender and
        the return path, you are listed as the author of the post.

>Return-path: <GIS-L@UBVM.BITNET>
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>Date: 04 Sep 1992 09:15:25 -0700 (MST)
>From: Curt Chapman <gtx!curt@SUNBURN.WEST.SUN.COM>
>Subject: RE: electronic atlases
>Sender: Geographic Information Systems Discussion List <GIS-L@UBVM.BITNET>
>To: Arco Wasserman <GEOWASSE@EKU.BITNET>

     2. I agree with your suggestion that a signature accompany a post.


 Arco Wasserman, Ph.D.
  Dept. Geography and Planning     Tel: (606) 622-1424
  Eastern Kentucky University      GEOWASSE@eku.bitnet
  Richmond, KY 40475
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