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From: Frank.Mclaughlin@f175.n2240.z1.ieee.org (Frank Mclaughlin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Performa 600 - not a cripple!
Date: 10 Dec 92 17:38:15 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2240/175 - The Associati, Grand Blanc MI

Hey folks.  I just got a new Performa 600 computer, and I am very happy with
it.  However, I keep hearing various computer magazines refer to it as a
cripple, only in more words.  Often, they don't even mention it at all.  A
68030 running at 32 MHz - a cripple?  Says who?!?
What I would like to know is exactly why everyone is ripping on the Performa
computers.  It seems to be a GREAT DEAL easier to buy a computer if you can 
walk into a store, quote a little plastic, and dump a big brown box in your
trunk.  PC users have had that kind of convenience for a long time, why
shouldn't we?  However, I am getting off the subject.  Back to the "wimp
factor."
OK, it's like this.  The Performa 600 clearly beats the heck out of the IIsi,
right?  The IIsi does only 20 MHz, and only has that one sorry expansion slot. 
 It doesn't even have a coprocessor hole!  The Performa 600 has three NuBus
slots, a PDS, and a special hole you can drop a FPU into.  Plus, there is that 
small performace boost of running at 32 MHz.  The Performa 600 also uses VRAM, 
so the video doesn't eat up your RAM.  And people are looking down at this
computer.  Well, I'm sorry, but I fail to see why.  Sure, it doesn't have the
RAM cache that the IIvx has, but it is also significantly cheaper, and you
don't have to wait forever for the thing to arrive.
Well, I think I have made my point quite clear.  I say the Performa 600 is one 
of the best midrange computers out, and probably the best compromise interms
of price, performance, and so forth.  (However, I still think that AtEase is
an abomination, as is System 7.)  Obviously, we'd all like a Quadra, but since 
we can't have that, I think the Performa 600 is the best deal out.  Thank you.

Frank McLaughlin

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From: nick+@pitt.edu (Nick C De Mello)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Mac SE/30.
Date: 14 Dec 92 03:26:26 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


  The rumor I heard (emphasis on rumor) was that the performa 200
is just a Classic II in another box, which means it has a 16 bit
data path, which means the SE/30 is still 50% faster.  

                              -- Nick


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From: kanefsky@halcyon.com (Steve Kanefsky)
Subject: Re: Performa 600 - not a cripple!
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:23:04 GMT

In article <D2150056.l5ej49@erics.infoserv.com> erics@infoserv.com writes:
>
>In kanefsky@halcyon.com (Steve Kanefsky) writes:
>
>> In article <D2150056.l1s5kx@erics.infoserv.com> erics@infoserv.com writes:
>
>> >As I said, it's a matter of taste. I don't give a damn about radiation
>> >characteristics.
>
>> That's like saying you don't give a damn how much your car pollutes the
>> atmosphere.  Maybe someone *else* cares how much your car pollutes the
>> atmosphere.
>
>Give me a break. *How* is "polluting"  the radio spectrum like polluting
>the atmosphere? Does it add to the greenhouse effect? What a ridiculous
>comparison.


Obviously, the greenhouse effect is specific to atmospheric pollution.
Surely you don't think that's the only kind of pollution?  Do you believe
that noise is a form of pollution?  If an airport were built next to your
house, and jet planes were to fly over at low altitude every 5 minutes,
wouldn't that affect your ability to function normally?  What if a
next-door neighbor interfered with your ability to receive radio and
television broadcasts?  Regardless of whether you think pollution is the
right word for it, we all have a certain amount of responsibility not to
interfere in the lives of other people if we can help it.

What you said sounded like you couldn't care less what effect you had on
others, as long as it didn't bother *you*.


>I seriously doubt that my IIci is interfering with any licensed users
>of the radio spectrum. 

Me too.  I was responding to your statement that you didn't care if it
did.


>Well, that's just the way it is then. Long live plastic cases, that's
>what I say, in my inconsiderate manner. What a stupid argument. If Apple
>could manufacture plastic cases cheaper than metal ones, I expect they
>wouldn't be any too concerned about the radio spectrum either.


I think you'll find that Apple cares a GREAT DEAL about FCC
certification of their products, and that FCC certification and a
device's impact on the radio spectrum go hand-in-hand.


--
Steve Kanefsky
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: moxness@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jack Moxness)
Subject: IIsi on it's side?
Summary: Placing a IIsi on its side
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 17:13:51 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
Keywords: IIsi, side
Followup-To: moxness@acs.ucalgary.ca

	If anyone out there owns a IIsi model (or knows this answer) can
you please advise me as to whether a Mac IIsi may be operated tipped up on
one of it's sides? If this is possible is it advisable to reformat the
hard drive after placing it in this position? Thank-you.
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Psychology Dept.				  FAX: (403) 282 - 8249
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From: seanmcd@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: MAC IIvx video???: 640 x 480 Maximum
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:39:34 -0400
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <hatch-161292112810@engelhard-slip-5345.rutgers.edu>, hatch@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Steven Hatch) writes:
> In article <wondertr.724477412@sfu.ca>, wondertr@fraser.sfu.ca (wondertree
> learning center) wrote:
>> 
>> Can someone please tell me once and for all what video formates the IIvx
>> supports? I don't want rumours.... I need facts....
>> 
>> I just read an article in MACUSER that says they support a 16" monitor.
>> (what I want to buy and use)
>> 
>> whereas, IIvx documentation says only up to the 14" is supported 
>> (what I don't want believe)
>> 
>>  
>> Please tell me it isn't so, Joe!
Sorry, Joe, it is so.
>> 
>> 
> TED,
> 
> 512k  VRAM: 13" & 14" @ 8 bit.
> 1024k VRAM: 13" & 14" @ 16 bit or 16" @ 8 bit.
> 
> --Steven H.

This ain't right. There is no support for monitors at higher than 640 x 480 
resolution. Remember that when MacUser was writing those articles, the machines
weren't even released yet. The maximum resolution on the spec. sheet is right;
this was discussed a few weeks ago, I believe someone from Apple confirmed that
14" is the maximum. You could probably drive a multisync 16" monitor, but it
would still only display 640 x 480 -- yuck!  Have to by a Radius 24Xp...
From: bryanh@stout.gvg.tek.com (Bryan Hilterbrand)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Questions about Apple formatted hard drives
Date: 20 Dec 92 08:02:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: gold.5750
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

I have a PowerBook 100 with a verrrrrry small 20MB hard drive.  The
hard drive size reported by the Finder is 18.6MB.  I've read articles
in this newsgroup that say Apple doesn't format hard drives to full
capacity.  Does anyone know why they do that?  I'm thinking about
backing up my hard drive and reformatting it to get the extra space
(hey -- every megabyte counts on this small of a hard drive).  Before
I do that, is the Apple supplied SCSI formatter on the 7.01 disks able
to format the entire disk, or will I end up with the same capacity that
I have now?  I'd appreciate any tips about reformatting the hard drive
that you can supply to a (computer literate) Mac novice.

Thanks,
Bryan


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: wingo@apple.com (Tony Wingo)
Subject: Re: System 7.1 /Duo Problems?
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:34:15 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware

In article <905@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, nick+@pitt.edu (Nick C De Mello) wrote:
> 
> 
>   Funny, the startup manager with NOW utilities isn't compatible with
> 7.1 either.
> 
>                               -- Nick

The Startup Manager that ships with NOW Utilities 4.0.1 works just fine
with 7.1 on both my home and work machines.

-tony
From: truesdel@ics.uci.edu (Scott Truesdell)
Subject: Re: Powerbook/Duo keyboards
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: ICS Department, U.C.I.
Date: 17 Dec 92 04:55:23 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware

In article <Yf=1=Ny00iUxE4X1cf@andrew.cmu.edu>, ra00+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Robert Agustin) wrote:
>
> I'm wondering what the layout of the Powerbook/Duo keyboard is like,

There is one each of the following keys: Caps Lock, Control, Option,
Command, Escape, Enter, Delete, Return, and the four arrows. There are two
Shift keys.

The Escape key is located directly to the left of the space bar instead of
the upper left corner where it belongs.

The Control key is located in the lower left corner instead of next to 'A'
where it belongs.

It seems like I hit '=' instead of Delete a lot. Pilot error, I guess.

Other than those three things the layout is ok in my opinion.

I do have some problems with the keyboard mechanicals. I experience a lot
of key 'bounce' where I get some keys registering twice for one keystroke.
This is a problem with keyboard firmware -- a software problem -- and not
easily fixed in the field. Probably would take a board-swap if the firmware
ever got fixed.

I also frequently experience the opposite of the above -- failed key
strokes. I find myself typing lightly because the keyboard feels 'light' --
a vague and ambiguous description -- but as a result I miss several key
strokes per page. I'm learning to 'hammer' the keys a little more firmly.

The tactile feel of the keys is not as nice as Apple's standard kibos,
which I rate as some of the best at any price.

I won't compare the Duo kibo to the Apple Extended Kibo because I don't
like the layout of the extended so I don't use it. (bad ctrl and esc
locations)

One Duo User's Opinion...

  --scott
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: LEUSKI@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (ANTON LEUSKI)
Subject: Re: programming on Macs?
Organization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:27:50 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

> 
> You will also need access to the Inside Macintosh books, they are expensive but
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You can get SpInside HyperCard stack from ftp.apple.com for free.
This stuff is more better then the old versions of Inside. Because, 
for example, Window Manager is spread in 1, 4 and 5 volume of Inside, but
in SpInside you can find all things in one place. 
		
Anton.

> provide _everything_ there is to know about programming the Mac.
> 
> Alastair
>
From: Sproul@sproul.sproul.com (Mark Sproul)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Quadra 950 with 19" monitor?
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:28:33 GMT
Reply-To: Sproul@sproul.sproul.com (Mark Sproul)
Organization: Sproul Consulting
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <Bz4Cro.587@ipsa.reuter.com> (comp.sys.mac.hardware), jhs@ipsa.reuter.com (Henri Schueler) writes:
> In article <1992Dec5.132926.1@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu> hill@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu (John Edward Hill) writes:
> >Will a Quadra 950's internal video (1 Mb VRAM) run a 19" monitor at
> >any number of colors?  I tried it with a Sigma Designs monitor and
> >their cable, but the monitor was blank while an Apple 13" worked fine. 
> >
> >I also have access to a older SuperMac 19" but without a cable.  If I
> >bought a cable, would it work?
> >
> >Would adding another 1 Mb VRAM make a difference other than allowing
> >more colors -- i.e., would it make the difference between seeing
> >something and seeing nothing?
> >
> My understanding is that the Quadra built-in video will support 3 sizes
> 	640x480  = 14"
> 	832x624  = 16"
>        1152x864  = 21"
> I assume that by 19" that you want to run in 1024x768 mode, but the quadra's
> video won't let you do that because Apple does make any 19" monitors...
> 
> /jhs
> 
> p.s. But perhaps your SuperMac will run at 1152x864?
> 
> And adding more vram just means more colours. Even 512k should let you 
> run in 1152x864 mode, althought perhaps only monochrome (the math works out to
> 4 bit colour).
> 
> -- 
> J. Henri Schueler, H&h Software, Toronto	+1 416 698 9075 
> 

I recently installed a Quadra 950 with a Suppermac 19" grayscale monitor.
 They have the appropiate adapter to make the quadra recongize the
19" monitor, call Supermac, they will send/sell you the adapter.

-----------------------------------------------------
Mark Sproul - KB2ICI - New Jersey
sproul@sproul.com
From: jeff_d@npri6.npri.com (Jeff Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: IIsi question related to Apple XMAS special
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:27:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA

pmontan@nswc-wo.navy.mil (Paul Montanaro) writes:

>> osuch@acadia.Kodak.COM (Bill O'Such) writes:
>> > I recently got a flyer from Apple for a XMAS special.  A MAC IIsi,
>> > 3MB memory, 40MB hard disk, 14 inch color monitor, extended keyboard,
>> > all for $1699.  It seems like a good deal (maybe too good) for home.
>> > Are there any problems with the IIsi or is there something in this
>> > deal that I'm missing.
>> 
...
>Yes but this still sounds like a great price to me.  Adding more memory and
>a bigger hard disk for a 5/80 config. would cost less than $500.  $2199 is
>still a good price for this system assuming that you get the 14" trinitron
>monitor and not the performa monitor with it.

The monitor is the new 14" trinitron.  (Funny, though, the book that comes
the monitor specs it as a 13", 640 x 480).

Nice monitor, very bright colors.

Jeff
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From: piglet@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Wootton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: HELP: LCII is really sloooooow
Date: 17 Dec 92 04:08:51 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at Austin
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X-XXDate: Wed, 16 Dec 92 21:56:17 GMT

A few days ago I noticed that my computer seeked to be running very
slowly.
I ran Speedometer on it and every test was fine except for the CPU speed
test.  The test gave a CPU speed of ~1.4.  Normally the CPU speed clocks
in
at about 4.0.  For some reason the computer is running at about 1/3 of the
speed that it should.

If I boot from a floppy the computer returns to it's normal speed.
I tried booting with no extensions, reinstalling the system, and finally
reformatting my small hard drive all to no avail.

My system is:
LC II 10/40
System 7.01 tuneup 1.1.1
(problems persist with all other software removed)

If you have any idea what could be happening could you please let me in on
it?  I'm pretty much befuddled at this point.

Thanks alot.

									---  Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Distribution: world
From: David_A._Schnider@bmug.org
Organization: BMUG, Inc.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:34:37 PST
Subject: Re: Magic 14.4k modem

I have a Magic 14.4, v.32/v.42 bis MNP-5 fax capable modem.  It cost me about
$289.  It is basically a Zoom modem.  I have had no problems and greatly
appreciate its speed.
-David
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From: mead@hamal.usc.edu (Dick Mead)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Crash-Happy Mac II (possible hardware ?)
Date: 16 Dec 1992 12:30:25 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hamal.usc.edu

While you have it open to re-seat the ram, do the same for
the DC power cable connector at the motherboard, and for
any cards in slots. Just unplug and re-plug a couple of times each.
Then, boot from a floppy and re-set PRAM. See if the system will
stay up okay with a floppy boot. If the crashes only happen with
the hard disk system booted, the HD driver or SYSTEM file or FINDER
or ANY extensions/Control panels could be a factor. Be sure to test
without any serial devices plugged in. If the crashes happen only
with some serial device connected, even when not in use, then it may be
that device has a power or logic problem.
Isn't this fun? ;^)



Dick


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From: damurphy@wc.novell.com (Duane Murphy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: ESDI => SCSI Adapter
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:44:15 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc.
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I am looking for a little help with a kind of strange situation.  I have 
a 170MB external hard disk that is ESDI.  The person I got it from said
it was out of an older Sun Workstation.  In the system I purchased from
him, he said that he had formatted the drive to work with the Macintosh.  
He sent the drive and an adapter.  I connected everything but the SCSI 
bus keeps getting locked up (no drives are seen).  As soon as I
disconnect 
the adapter everything is fine.  

I did not get any information about the adapter or the hard disk, so I am 
not even sure it is connected correctly.  I fear that I may have damaged 
the adapter some how.  I am willing to take the loss if I can still get 
access to the drive.

Therefore I am looking for any information on how I can connect the ESDI 
drive to the SCSI port of my IIci or any other options for connecting an 
ESDI drive to a Macintosh.

Thanks for any pointers or help!

...dam
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From: wight_brian@tallus.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pc.hardware,comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: DogCow - where it comes from
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:37:16 GMT
Reply-To: wight_brian@tallus.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


A postscript version of the original Tech Note 31 describing the DogCow would be
appreciated if it was posted here or sent via the Network...
		
				thanks



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From: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: really new Macs...
Date: 16 Dec 1992 06:22:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan)
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In a previous article, David_A._Schnider@bmug.org () says:

>Does anyone know anything substantial about the February releases?  What will
>be released and at what prices?  WHat about a color Classic (how much)???????
>
>-David
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I've heard that a Mac Cyclone would be coming out.  It has video in/out and
16 bit stereo sound and a built in DSP.   Has anyone heard of this Mac?
-- 
A motion picture major at the Brooks Institute of Photography, CA
Santa Barbara and a foreign student from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: hjwulfso@unix.amherst.edu (Harris Wulfson)
Subject: Re: One Last Question..
Organization: Amherst College
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:18:48 GMT

Michael Quigley (STMQ%MARIST.bitnet@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu) wrote:
} Hi All,
} 
} I have one last question for you.. I really appreciate the help that
} you have given me so far with my questions..
} 
..
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Your welcome...But can you shrink your .sig a little bit? :-)

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From: jmbraverman@ucdavis.edu (john braverman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: SE/30 screen's bright, then dim?
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:18:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: pbmac-5.jmbraverman-201292142111
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: u.c. davis

In article <1992Dec14.223606.25458@nctams1.uucp>, tomj@pnet16.cts.com (Tom
Jenkins) wrote:
> 
> Over the last few months, whenever I turn on the SE/30, the screen seems to be
> fairly bright, then after a few minutes, will return back to normal.   Is this
> some component heating up?
> 
> --Tom
> 
> UUCP: humu!nctams1!pnet16!tomj
> ARPA: humu!nctams1!pnet16!tomj@nosc.mil
> INET: tomj@pnet16.cts.com

I have a SE/30 intermittent flickering problem right now, for which I am
interested in help.  But my screen is also getting progressively dimmer--I
had to open it up once already to readjust the internal screen brightness
knob.
-----------------------
John M. Braverman
jmbraverman@ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware