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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: How many days was TESB? (was Re: How many days was Star Wars?)
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 00:18:46 GMT


In a previous article, nab4574@sigma.tamu.edu (The Lord Reigns) says:

>Try to do the same thing with TESB (enumerate each day's events): 
>Unless you can drag the Falcon/Empire episode longer (max a few days), 
>it sure makes it hard to have Luke on Degobah for as long as the movie
>gives you the impression that it was (seemed like at least two or three
>weeks).

It was my impression that it was at least a month or so.  Luke
trained on Dagobah, and the Falcon limped along to Bespin on sublight
engines.

-- 
             TJ Goldstein    tlg4@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
      Assistant Sysop, Science Fiction and Fantasy SIG  (GO SCIFI)
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From: lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim)
Subject: Re: Ben's Age
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:16:04 GMT

In article <3813@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> tmkst6@pitt.edu (Theodore M Kostek) writes:
>
>in RotJ, Luke says to Yoda "You can't die."  Yoda replies with "Strong am
>I with the Force, but not that strong."  I always took this to imply that 
>being adept with the Force lengthened one's life, and that if you were
>really, really good you might even live forever.  
>
>So maybe Ben is actually quite old by human standards, since I always
>thought that he was pretty good with the Force.  Maybe like 150-200
>yrs or so, assuming that a normal lifespan is roughly equal to ours.


	You do mean "really *good*," don't you? Not just proficient, but
non-evil. Dark Horse says that the Emperor wears out his body super-fast
as a result of his mucking about with the Dark Side, after all. The idea
seems to be that serving as a channel for so much malign power is like
being a pipeline of acid-- bad for the people around you; bad for you too.

	But wouldn't it be unethical to artificially prolong your lifespan
using the Force? Seems more like something Palpatine would do than a job for
Ben. Maybe I'm just carrying over the idea of unethicality from _Dune_.


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From: s1082919@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (T Hankinson is YODA)
Subject: Re: Who didn't get figures made of them?
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:48:43 GMT

In article <l78ssfINN1f6@sal-sun79.usc.edu> joshuali@sal-sun79.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.211958.28751@uvm.edu> cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise) writes:
>>
   All kinds of stuff deleted

>.... Chewie`s welding tools and goggles (oh oh I`m getting carried away).

  You could actually get tools for the figures from the energizer mini rig
  though they arent real good.


  PS the lapti nek lyrics will be posed soon !!!!!!


     Sand person : ararararaooooewrer urt urt urt

                                                Templar
From: a_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Another Han Solo Blooper?
Date: 27 Jul 92 02:59:05 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Jul27.012839.5227@leland.Stanford.EDU>, mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr) writes:
> I have a question.  In ROTJ, why does Han immediately have any desire to
> help out Lando when he's about to fall into the Sarlacc?  As I recall, the
> last thing Solo would remember about Lando is that he sold them out to the
> Empire (Unless I've forgotten something in between...).  If that's the case
> I would think Solo would just blast him.  Any comments?

	Remember that Chewie was pitched into Han's 'cell' before the pit
thing. It is very likely that Chewie would have said something about Lando
being involved (or filling in Han about what happened after he was frozen).
Just because it didn't happen on camera doesn't mean it couldn't have happened.

> 
> Another thing, completely unrelated:  There's been a lot of talk about the
> Emperor's line about DS2 being "fully operational".  If I remember right, he
> said, "...armed and operational battle station!"  (note lack of the word
> "fully.")  This is probably nit-picking, but it appears as though there's 
> at least room for the notion that not *every* system on DS2 was *fully*
> operational.  Just an observation.  (Not that I want to get into the ST vs SW
> thing.)

	My theory (shared, in part, with others on the group) is that the Death
Star does *not* have deflector shields. The rebel alliance had few Mon Calamari
cruisers, and they are smaller than a Star Destroyer -- and DS2 was hit by a
*Super* Star Destroyer, which did not destroy the DS2. It is not unreasonable
to infer that this means that it would take a large amount of capital ships to
significantly harm the DS1 or DS2, more than what the rebels could reasonably
muster at one time.

Brandon Cope

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From: U920487@postoffice.utas.edu.au (David Allingham)
Subject: Re: White 3PO-ish Droid
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:46:16 GMT

In article <l7e7lsINNmpa@aludra.usc.edu>, joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
 
> In article <1992Jul29.220757.3528@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
> >
> >Where did the white version of 3PO appear in the movies?
> >I can't recall, although I can picture the droid....
> 
> Somewhere in the Hoth base. I can't say because I don't know exactly where.
> There is a Topps card with the real 3PO standing next to the white 3PO.

At the start of _A New Hope_ when 3PO and R2 are walking along a corridor in the 'diplomatic'
spacecraft, a white 3PO is seen walking behind them for a few seconds.

...............................................................

 _--_|\   David Allingham       (u920487@postoffice.utas.edu.au)
/      \
\_.--._/
      * <--- University of Tasmania!
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From: mmartin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew Wayne Martin)
Subject: Anakin/Vader death
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:13:45 GMT

Well, I seem to have caused a little stife with my comment on Anakin/Vader's
lack of disappearing upon death, yet "glowing" appearance at the end of Jedi.
I was not commenting on the fact that the body armor remained, but rather
that his head remained.  I don't believe his head was "more machine than man"
	Now, anyone want to explain what happened?
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Anakin/Vader death
Date: 23 Jul 92 07:01:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Jul23.000115.259
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)


In <1992Jul21.231345.21010@wpi.WPI.EDU>
mmartin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew Wayne Martin) writes:

>Well, I seem to have caused a little stife with my comment on Anakin/Vader's
>lack of disappearing upon death, yet "glowing" appearance at the end of Jedi.
>I was not commenting on the fact that the body armor remained, but rather
>that his head remained.  I don't believe his head was "more machine than man"
>	Now, anyone want to explain what happened?



Actually, I *LIKED* the idea that Anakin's body did not dissolve becuase of
the life-support mech keeping the *BODY* alive, until it was destroyed in
the fire when Luke set it ablaze at the end of Jedi.

It was noted that Vader was more machine than man, due to the amount of
life-support and bionics/artificial parts in him, but I doubt that his
brain was artifical...


Dave
From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re:  Who didn't get figures made of them?
Date: 27 Jul 1992 10:15:57 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <9207271653.AA17454@TIS.COM> sas@TIS.COM writes:
>
>Also what about things other than action figures, like Boba Fetts ship?
>
They made Boba Fett's ship. Slave I. Actually, there aren't too many 
ships they didn't make. I would have like to have seen the TIE bomber for
action figures. Could you imagine? They could make a special Bomber pilot
that you only get with the Bomber. I suppose that regular TIE fighter
pilots fly  the thing though.
I have a little flyer that was put in the late editions of Empire toys
that says that Kenner was going to make more micro collections for Jedi.
Shame they didn't make them.

As for the other creatures from the cantina, what about that NASA pilot?
What the hell was he doing in there?

I mean they make the DEWBACK which had maybe 5-6 second of BACKROUND screen
time and  they forget some of the more important things.

What is everyone's most and least favorite cantina and/or Jabba's palace
creature?

I hated that Devil guy  from the cantina.

-joshuali@usc.edu




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From: jlmiller@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: SCRIPT: NEW HOPE
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:40:38 GMT

Mr. Wagner--

Just thought you'd like to know some things about how software cos. and
magazines work as far as copyright....

For your software, you sell it to the company and _they_ copyright it and/or
trademark it for themselves.

As far as sales to magazines, you may not register anything with the
government, but everything you write (and most especially things you have
published) is _automatically_ copyrighted to you, unless you work out a deal
where it is copyrighted to the magazine. That's why you probably sold your
articles/stories as "First Rights North America," or something similar. So,
whether you know it or not, you use the copyright system yourself. After all,
you got paid for your work, didn't you? 

Oh, and by the way, it's spelled "fallacy." I could attack more of your logic,
but honestly people who rant without rhyme or reason aren't worth my time...you
seem to be slowly but surely falling into this catagory.

Jonathan L. Miller
Editor-In-Chief
UpComing, the magazine of
  speculative fiction, and a writer.
From: avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee)
Subject: Re: Wedge Theory
Organization: ICASE/NASA Langley
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:16:43 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.120711.4252@sei.cmu.edu>, gh@sei.cmu.edu (Gaurang Hirpara) writes:
>
>
>	Well, I think the possibility that Wedge is related to Luke and
>	Leia extremely remote. Even according to the FotR script (which
>	is fan written isn't it?), Lady Arcadia remains hidden with 
>	Leia as a serving woman in the house of Bail Organa. Forgive
>	me if I'm wrong, but I would think Leia would notice if she 
>	had had a half brother during the time she was growing up there. 
>	Her mother also died when she was very young apparently (around
>	six or so?). So either she knows Wedge is her half brother and
>	isn't saying (which I find highly unlikely since there's NO hint
>	to this in any of the movies) or else it just ain't so. 
>
>
>	--dan

pardon me for being rude but... WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?!?!?
now thats out of the way (too much caffine(sp)).
how do you get a connection between 'house organa' and wedge antillies?
granted i read FotR long ago but i remember it fairly well... i think.

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From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: ADDED scene?  Also: Luke/Vader relationship question
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:49:19 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Jul31.154003.22643@news.media.mit.edu> tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte) writes:
>I think that for Luke to have known Darth Vader from his Tatooine
>upbringing is a little unlikely. Possible, but unlikely.

	I think it's more likely than that.  I always got the impression
that people would have known Vader because he was responsible for destroying
the Jedi of the Old Republic... Even if he didn't he still would have been
able to figure who Ben was fighting with Light Sabers on the Death Star
(and wouldnt need to be told as someone else posted)
From: beh10@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: C3PO was: Re: Wedge Theory
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:57:47 GMT
Reply-To: beh10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Jul29.082023.16562@zoo.bt.co.uk> ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk writes:
>
>3P0 translates "He says the restraining bolt has short circuited his
>recording system. He suggests that if you remove the bolt, he might be
>able to play back the entire recording"
>
>

I always thought this was just a case of Threepio's naivete. ANH always
made Threepio out as neurotic, and Artoo more sensible, IMHO.

--
Barry Holsinger       | I ain't git'n et by no gators to make my wage!
Sunnyvale, CA         | There are better ways to make a buck in dis
beh10@DUTS.amdahl.com | nutty town!!  -Ralph Snart
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Biggs.....
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 14:12:10 GMT

I have a Star Wars book, in which scenes from the movie are interspersed
with text...

...Luke's old buddy Biggs is in it, in a still from a scene with the
two talking on Tatooine, from the (non-picture :)) novel. However,
this wasn't in the movie -- *but* Luke greets his old buddy Biggs
in the Death Star battle.

This has always bothered me -- did they cut that scene? Why?

Scott


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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Hello, I guess (was Re: SCRIPT : NEW HOPE (not very long))
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 17:06:20 GMT


In a previous article, lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim) says:

>
>	One small correction: TJ Goldstein was a _Ms._, not a Mr.-- still is,
>in fact. But I may as well speak of her in the past tense, since she's not
>coming back to this newsgroup.

Now here's a dillemma for you. 

Um, yes, I'm a Ms, not a Mr.  Let's get that straight.  People get
so embarrassed when I correct them that I just let it go.  Besides,
it amuses me.  

At any rate, I WASN'T going to come back.  Honest, I wasn't.

Then a strange thing happened.  My mailbox was DELUGED with letters
of support, most asking me not to leave.  I came to a conclusion:
I had based my decision on the actions of a select few, and that's
not fair.  I knew enough to leave people like that alone on my own
system, I should have know that that's doubly the case here.

It was suggested that I give the group a couple of weeks to cool
down and then see if it was any better, and I had agreed.  This
morning, though, someone tipped me off to the gender arguement
via e-mail, so I decided to come take a look.

From what I can see, things have settled down.  I don't know about
anyone else, but I'm willing to give it another shot.  And another
thing.  I was beginning to get really worried that I had encouraged
other moderates to leave, which was never my intention.

There was one letter that influenced my decision not to give up more
than any of the others alone, though.  (See below.)

>
>	People, this argument has gone way off the topic of _Star Wars_. I
>realize it started out as a discussion about the legality of posting the
>script, but it doesn't have much to do with the newsgroup's name now. Y'all,
>let's shut up before this gets more out of hand, shall we?

Agreed.  One ofthe letters I received was from Mr. Wagner himself, 
and we have basically agreed to disagree.  There's just no reason for 
all this, and we both realize it.

We now take you back to your regularly scheduled discussions.
(PS -- Contrary to the impression my letter gave, I don't have
a problem with SW V ST discussions, etc..  We have this handy
little "z" key, you see ...)

Let's try to remember why we all got together in the first place,

[Note:  A special thanks to all those who reminded me just why I
was here.]


-- 
             TJ Goldstein    tlg4@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
      Assistant Sysop, Science Fiction and Fantasy SIG  (GO SCIFI)
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       kill Baldric before you start."  --  Edmund Blackadder III
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim)
Subject: Re: the clone wars
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:21:24 GMT

In article <21JUL199215435798@rosie.uh.edu> elee9tv@rosie.uh.edu (POWER-PILL) writes:
>
>	Can someone explain  the significance of the "Clone Wars" and
>   its relationship to STAR WARS.


	Not yet-- not officially, anyway. A lot of fans have ideas, but as
far as I know, George isn't leaking anything until the next films come out.
So if you can just wait 'til 1997 or whenever... God, by that time, you might
be able to take your kids to them. Yeeps.



-- 
MUDname: Sidera           "...If I seem to give a damn, please tell me. I would
University of Delaware      hate to be giving the wrong impression."
From: a_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Falcon en route to Bespin
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:54:36 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <92212.084624EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>, Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> In article <0eRtZj200VIGFgNJ1K@andrew.cmu.edu>, Robert Edward Timlin
> <rt16+@andrew.cmu.edu> says:
>>
>>     This brings up another question: did Vader's TIE fighter have a
>>hyperdrive
>>in ANH? Or did he just flit around the Yavin system until a Star Destroyer
>>showed up to see why they hadn't heard anything from the Death Star in a
>>while?
>>
>>     My money is on the hyperdrive, since his ship has a lot more structure
>>than any other TIE fighter. The RPG say anything?
> 
> I'd bet on that too...If the X-Wings could have them, why not his unique
> looking TIE fighter?  And what ever happened to that thing?  I guess after
> his promotion due to the DS explosion weeding out the top ranks, he canned
> it for the better job?

	Vader's fighter was basically the prototype for they TIE interceptor
(which I believe appears in the 2nd or 3rd movie). The layout is very similar,
but the craft looks 'cleaner'. As a custom ship, it is very possible it may
have had hyperdrives.
	Vader probably never showed up in a fighter for much the same reason
that captains in ST:TNG are no longer permitted to go down on initial away
teams: it is too risky. Too much can happen in stafighter combat, especially
with a large number of craft, for the Force to correct for. Anyway, Vader was
too important to the Emperor to jet about in a fighter.

Brandon Cope
 
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From: lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim)
Subject: Ben's Age
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:05:01 GMT


	Okay. This should be a straightforward question, with no "But I
*saw* it that way umpteen years ago and they must have cut it" squabbling.

	Exactly (or generally) how old is Ben Kenobi in the first movie?
I realize his age isn't stated anywhere in the movie itself, and I don't
think it's in the novelization, but is it listed on the back of a trading
card, or in the Marvel series, or anything? I *really* need to know.


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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte)
Subject: Re: Anakin/Vader death
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:57:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.033801.26074@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.022320.13937@udel.edu> lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul21.231345.21010@wpi.WPI.EDU> mmartin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew Wayne Martin) writes:
>>
>>>Well, I seem to have caused a little stife with my comment on Anakin/Vader's
>>>lack of disappearing upon death, yet "glowing" appearance at the end of Jedi.
>>>I was not commenting on the fact that the body armor remained, but rather
>>>that his head remained.  I don't believe his head was "more machine than man"
>>>	Now, anyone want to explain what happened?
>>
>>	I tried. Sorry if you didn't buy the "brain-death but his Energizers
>>kept his heart pumping" kludge.
>
>Kludge?  You want kludge?  Okay, here's one.  Onboard the Death Star,
>when Luke removes Vader/Anakin's mask and Vader/Anakin curls up
>Vader/Anakin's toes, he hasn't really died yet.  He's unconscious and
>on the brink of death, but actually dies in the shuttle craft.  His
>body vaporizes and Luke burns the armor down on Endor.
>
>Hah!  Top that one for a stretch! :-)
OK, how about this:		(smileys on and activated)
The Death Star II has an "Aggressive Life Support System" that
identifies people that are on the brink of death, and tries to
maintain them as long as possible. Now this isn't going to work for
people that are under a shuttle when it sets down, or dropped down a
fairly cool matte painting of a ventilation shaft, but if you're
slowly dying, the ALSS can drag out your last hours indefinitely.
Hopefully long enough to get to a Bacta tank or something.

'course, the shuttle that Luke hotwired doesn't have such advanced
technology, so when Luke took Vader from DS2, Vader finally and truly
kicked the bucket.
(disengage smileys now)
				-Dave


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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:25:35 -0400 
From: Robert Edward Timlin <rt16+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Falcon en route to Bespin


     This brings up another question: did Vader's TIE fighter have a hyperdrive
in ANH? Or did he just flit around the Yavin system until a Star Destroyer
showed up to see why they hadn't heard anything from the Death Star in a while?

     My money is on the hyperdrive, since his ship has a lot more structure
than any other TIE fighter. The RPG say anything?

                                                      -Robb Timlin
                                                       rt16@andrew.cmu.edu