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From: sweet@ug.cs.dal.ca (garth r sweet)
Subject: Re: Rating of women on ST/ST:TNG/ DS9
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 13:07:08 GMT

 (prv2d@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU) wrote:
> In article <1993Jan23.030640.17766@news.uakron.edu> dskowron@serj.polymer.uakron.edu (Daniel Skowronski) writes:
> >With 10 being the sexist being to grace the screen, I rank
> > 
> 
>  Dr. Crusher....11.0
> 
> >Tasha Yar......10.0
> >Ensign Ro......8.5
> >Kira ..........7.0
> >Dax............6.5
> >Troi...........5.0
> >Horta(Silicon based life form)...0.1
> >Harry Mudd's Wife.....0.0
> >
> >
> 
> :)
> 

	Get a grip man :-) Here's my list:

Dax...................10.0  Shwing!
Kira..................8.0
Ensign Ro.............8.0
Tasha Yar (Naked).....7.0 <-- I have .gifs :-)
Liea Brahms...........7.0
Bev Crusher...........6.5
Tasha Yar (Clothed)...6.0
Harry Mudd's Wife.....2.0 
Troi (Clothed)........1.0
Horta.................0.5
Riker.................0.1
Troi (Naked)..........0   <-- *shutter* I have .gifs :-(

+---------------------------+----------------------------------------------+
+ Name : Garth Sweet        + "A blind's as good as wink to a nudge man.   +
+ email: sweet@ug.cs.dal.ca +                        - Ponty Mython        +
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From: antjcb@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (J.C.Burns)
Subject: Re: DS9: Model or computer generated?
Organization: Georgia State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:00:52 GMT


><
><ILM hasn't had anything to do with ST:TNG since the premiere.  They have
><nothing to do with ST:DS9.
><--
><Vidiot  ucbvax!uwvax..........!astroatc!vidiot!brown
>
>       What are you talking about?  ILM are in the credits.  I have
>the proof on videocassete.  They're all over Star Trek.

No, guys ILM does NOT do the effects for the show, and the models 
are built by Gregory Jein, who has built a lot of models for ILM
(and darn near everyone else in hollywood.) The Trek and DS9 models
are shot on 35mm film with a motion control camera and ELECTRONICALLY
composited on D1 digital videotape, and ILM hasn't a thing to do with
it. The one ILM effect they do reuse (and it's why their name shows
up in the credits) is the Enterprise-going-into-warp effect. But the
definitive answer is no, the models and photography are NOT done by ILM
(those ILM guys are too pricey.)

--jcburns
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Cheaper Star Trek VI?
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:07:12 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

In article <93Jan20.001859.39975@acs.ucalgary.ca>, barker@eneli (Scott Barker) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan14.200439.28597@cs.hope.edu>, jipping@cs.hope.edu (Mike
|> Jipping) says:
|> >The STVI video is REAL expensive -- $89 or something.  Does anyone know
|> >if this will ever be reissued cheaper?  The others can be had for a
|> >cheaper price...
|> 
|> As soon as sales of the video drop, the price will be lowered. This is a
|> typical ploy of video companies: release the video at a hugely inflated price,
|> wait for the Video Rental Stores to buy it (they pretty much have to, or their
|> customers will be unhappy), and wait for the die hard video collectors to buy
|> it. Once the video sales go down, the company knows that they have sold the
|> overpriced version to as many people as they can, and they lower the price
|> shortly afterwards, usually in time for a holiday.

I see nothing wrong with that.  That is our free market system at work.
It is not like you owning a particular video is necessary for life.
I only object to such practices for things which people must either buy
or die.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
From: cs161fir@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Norm Peterson of DSN
Date: 23 Jan 93 22:32:20 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <21JAN93.15195552@skyfox> borys@skyfox writes:
>Quark: "Hey Grog, how does a beer sound?"
>Grog: "I dunno; I usually drink it before it gets a word in."

Actually, for the sake of consistency, it would have to be

Quark: "Hey Grog, how does a synth-ale sound?"

Hmm.  Just doesn't quite work, does it?

I recently saw a rerun of "Legacy."  The scene in which the
Coalition members are very pleased with themselves for stealing the
Alliance's last case of synth-ale is one of those scenes that,
frankly, makes me embarrassed to be a Trek fan.

Tony
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"This quote is in this .sig for no particular reason."
From: johnnyp@HALDI.LCS.MIT.EDU (Johnny Piscitello)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Same for DS9 intro (was Re: TNG music trax suck)
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:29:48 GMT
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science

In article <DAVIDM.93Jan25104752@consilium.com> davidm@consilium.com (David S. Masterson) writes:
>>>>>> On 25 Jan 93 05:45:11 GMT, eburke@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Eli Burke) said:
>
>The DS9 music is all right, but (so far as I can hear) it seems to lack the
>"catch phrase" that makes it truly memorable (in the way STTOS, Star Wars,
>Close Encounters or Superman had that short musical phrase by which you
>immediately knew it).
>
>Don't you think the music will become stale real quick?  I mean, why even have
>such an opening sequence?  Why not just put up a picture showing the title of
>the series and then go right into the show?  Kung Fu tried a totally musical
>opening, but it had the back drop of real scenes from the show to offset
>(somewhat!) the boring nature of the opening.
>

	It's funny, but the opening theme is holding up better than I thought
it would. I did like the theme initially, but I admit I was afraid it would
grow stale. The 4th time around it's gotten better and better for me, though.

	What about the techno-bop tag music going into commercial breaks?
What do you all think of that? Alot of my fellow Trek-watchers find it
tacky. They say "Why have techno-dance music in the middle of Trek?" IT
doesn't go. What do you all think?

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From: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re:  Races in the UFP/Sta
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:19:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 

On Tue, 19 Jan 1993 21:42:56 GMT, tdwood@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
(Troy D Wood) wrote:

TDW>     Dennis Brennan <djb6@midway.uchicago.edu> writes:

TDW>< What's the name of that race of blue-skinned bald guys with the seam
TDW>< running down the front of their face?  I think we've seen at least three,
TDW>< including the Enterprise-D's barber, one of the officers meeting with Pica
TDW>< in the beginning of "Conspiracy", and Sisko's fellow officer in DS9's
TDW>< "Emissary".

TDW>     Those beings are known as the Bolians (not to be confused with the
TDW>Barolians, who trade with the Romulans--"Unification, II).  You are right,
TDW>there was a Bolian captain in "Conspiracy," and the Enterprise D's barber is
TDW>Mr. Mot ("Ensign Ro," "Schisms," and mentioned by Dr. Crusher in "Unificatio
TDW>I).  Sisko's comrade was also a Bolian.

In addition, Cadet Mitena Haro, whose imposter we saw in "Allegiance", is
Bolian.  (Though it's quite likely that she's a commissioned officer
somewhere by now.)  In fact, "Allegiance" is the only episode to mention
the Bolians by name; it also reveals that the Bolians maintain an uneasy
truce with a race called the Moropa.

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From: Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DS9 Ranks
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:39:10 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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  For all of you who are arguing about O'Brians rank, please look at
kis collar.

0= Hollow pip
*= Full pip

   0= Ensign (jg)
   *= Ensign
  *0= Lieutenant (jg)
  **= Lieutenant
 **0= Lieutenant Commander
 ***= Commander
****= Captian


**********************************************************************
* Arthur, king of the Britons    * King of the who?                  *
* King of the Brittons!          * Who are the Brittons anyway?      *
* I am, you are, we all are the  *                                   *
* Brittons and I am your king!   * Well, I didn't vote for you.      *
**********************************************************************
Robert T. Warfield@dartmouth.edu
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From: buesinnj@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Neil Buesing)
Subject: "Every Good Boy Deserves Favour"
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:19:53 GMT


Come March 27th the play "Every Good Boy Deserves Favour" will be in
Minneapolis, MN.  It is directed by Patrick Stewart, and will star:

Patrick Stewart, Jonathan Frakes, Brent Spiner, Gates McFadden, Colm Meany,
plus some non ST:TNG related people.

Does anyone know what this play is about? 
Where else beside Minneapolis will it be showing?

P.S. I bought tickets and have the ticket prices if you are interested.

  Northrup Audit.
  Mpls, MN.
  March 27, 8:00 pm

  $20.50, $35.50, $45.50, $55.50 (Tickets went on sale last Sat. (Jan 16))
From: rod@cats.ucsc.edu (Rodrick Su)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9: "Babel" - Comments **SPOILERS**
Date: 27 Jan 1993 22:26:38 GMT
Organization: Tigana Restoration Inc.
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In article <1993Jan27.065200.4339@netcom.com> harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp) writes:
>randall-joshua@yale.edu (Joshua E. Randall) writes:
>
>>Spoilers for DS9 episode "Babel"

>The only problem I have with this is that the designer was Bajoran,
>and he was supposedly a genius.  Well, if he's so smart why didn't he
>design a virus that only affects Cardassians? ;) There _is_ precedence
>for an even more specifically-targetted biological weapon.  In the TNG
>episode with the Acamarians and the Gatherers (can't remember the
>name), the -- didn't Crusher call is a "micro-virus?" -- was designed
>to attack a particular _clan_ of a race.

	Well, it really depend on what the final objective of the designer
	of the virus was.  He might feel perfectly justified in killing off
	large number of Bjorns, simply because they work on enemy vessel.

-- 
[ Rodrick Su           [ If at first you don't succeed, well, so much for    ]
[----------------------[ skydiving.                                          ]
[ rod@cats.ucsc.edu    ]------------------------[ ``Games of the Hangman''   ] 
[ rod@ucscb.ucsc.edu   ]------------------------[   Victor O'Reilly          ]
From: gt4278b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jensulu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Looking for confirmation of DeForrest Kelly's death
Date: 21 Jan 93 07:21:10 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan15.154846.3114@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, strassbm@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
> 
>  For those of you who are saying that DeForrest Kelly is dead, what is
> your source for that information?  I have seen nothing on TV or in the
> news that would indicate that such a rumor is true.
>                                     Brian M. Strassman

Gosh, Brian, I hope not.  De Kelley is scheduled to appear at a ST convention
here in Atlanta some time in the next couple of months.

(This was posted without my having read any followups... if this just evo-
kes bad memories, please forgive me and ignore it.)

Live Long and Prosper,  
-- 
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gt4278b@prism.gatech.edu          |   Help!  I'm trapped in this  
Jensulu and the manatee!  4ever!  |    InterNet, and I can't get out!  
Disclaimer:  I'm high on caffeine right now, but that goes without saying... 
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From: edjans01@orion.spd.louisville.edu (David Jansing)
Subject: Re: READ THIS! O'Brien's Rank! (*Minor Spoilers*)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:44:05 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In <C16MwK.77C@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> bigoness@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Ray Bigonesse) writes:

>L.A. Melloy writes:
>>I think everyone is getting tired of this line, but I've actually been reading
>>most of it.
>>
>>For everyone:
>>
>>No matter what has happened in the past, `Chief' O'Brien in now an ensign on
>>Deep Space Nine (therefore the "yes, sir" in the two-hour premier of DSN given
>>to O'Brien by the transporter operator).

>    You're right.  He *is* an Ensign.  No ifs, ands, or butts (including
>    Troi's) about it.   But guess what folks!  In "A Man Alone", Cmdr. Sisko
>    and everyone else refer to O'Brien as "Chief".  *STILL*.
>    This is *AFTER* his promotion.  Are we done now??

Isn't he Chief of Operations on DS9?  Why couldn't he retain "Chief" as a
nickname?

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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: Startrek VII - Takei's comments
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 03:42:04 GMT

In article <Dec.15.14.14.25.1992.14324@gandalf.rutgers.edu> finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter) writes:
>helene@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Helene Blankespoor) writes:
>
>>Last week, George Takei was interview on British TV and apperently said 
>>about the next film, Startrek VII, that if it was going to be made it would
>>be centred around Captain Sulu and the Excelsior.
>>I did not see the interview myself but has anyone else heard anything about
>>this ??
>
>>Helene.
>
>I didn't see that interview either (nor have I heard much of anything
>concerning ST VIII except that there might be another TOS movie), but this
>is an idea I've been voicing for a long time.  Let "The Big Three" retire, and
>give some of the supporting members a chance to *really* play the heroes (esp.
>Sulu, seeing as he now has his own ship with which to do so).  Besides,
>focusing the movie on the Excelsior would give a better opportunity to create
>a true bridge between the generations by allowing (albeit young) TNG characters
>to show up early in their careers (something which Takei mentioned in humor
>at a con I saw him at last February).

The only problem with _that_ theory is the ST:TNG takes place over 80
years after the classic STAR TREK series. Most of the TNG cast weren't
even twinkles in their grandfather's eyes!  The only characters I
can think of that could show up in the movies would be Guinan, Q, and some
of the established alien races. (How about a "reverse-crossover"? Have the
Excelsior find Cardassian pirates, or meet _another_ member of the
Continuum? Okay, Okay, it was just a thought...) I wean, wasn't Colonel
Worf in ST 6 supposed to be TNG's Lt. Worf's grandfather?

Jay (=

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  "Doctor Banner, I presume." -- Hulk to the Maestro, FUTURE IMPERFECT #1
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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: The Alien in STAR TREK XXXX
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:56:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.184438.18694@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.161743.23291@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, johnnyp@HALDI (Johnny Piscitello) writes:
>>	Well, here's a partial list of non-humanoid lifeforms on TNG:
>
>>	- Q (he only <appears> as human, he is anything he wishes to be)
>
>This would be far more convincing if Q had ever appeard in a non-humanoid
>form...

Actually, he has. He once appeared on the bridge (I think it was in EaF)
as some kind of alien snake, with a spherical body and three head-appendages.
It's stated in the episode what it is, and the actually form is kinda
difficult to make out as it's glowing...


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From: finoc_j@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jeffrey Finocchiaro)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TNG's FUNNIEST MOMENTS
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:33:03 GMT
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
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	I think one of the funniest scenes was in the episode "Sins of the 
Father" when Worf, Kirn, et al were dining in the officers lounge of the
Enterprise.  Particularly funny:

	Kirn: "Just earlier today, I had to refrain myself from *killing* 
Commander Riker"

	and also

	Kirn: "Very well, then...I'll sample some of your burnt replicated
bird meat."

Now I'm sure that I haven't got these quotes precisely correct, and heck, I'm 
not even sure if the episode is the right one, but you all should get the
idea...



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From: stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST)
Subject: Re: Galley?
Originator: stdeprie@c00567-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:18:39 GMT


Also, besides using replicators, galleys are available for people who
enjoy cooking.  Much like gourmet chefs of today.  I believe I read this
in a tech. manual or elsewhere, but I do recall reading it somewhere and
long before ST VI was released.  *shrug*
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From: mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN)
Subject: Hippo Underpants Orange Desk
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 17:05:48 GMT

Got hit with the Babel virus, sorry.  For those of you
who haven't seen it you might want to hit "n" now
to avoid infection.  For those of you who have, I've
got a couple of questions:

First off, I loved this episode.  Very well written.
But some qustions:

1.  When Bakshir gets the virus, he is talking to the
computer.  I noted that what he said was not what
the computer printed on the screen.  Did the computer
also have the virus in it's system?  Is that silly?
Did he say more than what was said and the computer
picked that up?  

2.  Did anybody think that the wonderful Quark/Odo
scenes were reminiscent of Spock/McCoy on sort
of a darker level?

3.  It struck me as odd that Kira got infected too.
Why didn't the Bajorans, if they made the virus to
infect the Cardassians, make absolutely sure the
Bajorans themselves were immune, especially if it
was airborne and the Cardassians were nearby?

Marc
mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu
 
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From: qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord")
Subject: Re: DSN: Number of episodes?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:27:09 GMT


	Actually, that's assuming that every episode is re-run
exactly twice (there are about 37 weeks between early January
and mid-September.)
						-Quinn
From: farmer@cs.utk.edu (SUSAN FARMER)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Vote for a split
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:02:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: utkcs2.lmav5hINNbum
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennessee, Knoxville
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In article <cboerm48.727399675@ursa> cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma) writes:
 >sg0d@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (STEPHEN R. GILBERT) writes:
 >
 >>The title says it all.
 >
 >>It's obvious that there is a problem here.  700+ posts in < 3 days is
 >>far too many to try to read or even skim over the titles.  
 >
 >>I vote for the new .reviews group, however if everyone else wants a 
 >>TNG/DS9 split, fine, just so that something is done soon.
 >
 >Boy I just *know* this is going to be read after like three dozen 
 >posts with the same title, but just in case anyone there is listening:
 >
 >I vote for a .reviews seperation.
 >
 >`		CtB
 >
 >--
 >  The views expressed here are not necessarily the same as |
 >those of anyone at Calvin, or in the US, or in the world.  |  cboerm48
 >Heck, the slugs probably think diffently than I...         |  @Calvin.edu

I vote for .reviews too.  Frequently, with TNG anyway, I don't get the
episode until a week after the rest of the known world (I'm not sure how
DS9 goes, havent checked it out yet), it's not easy to try and read this 
group when you have to 'M' all review and follow-up articles on the
episode(s) that I haven't seen yet.  Kill files don't work in this case,
because you don't want to kill the articles, you just want to put them on hold
for a week.  (And as far as I know, there is no way to 'M' an entire thread
so you have to mark each message individually.  I spend more time marking
messages than i do reading *other* posts.)  I really enjoy the reviews,
I just don't want to have to fool with them until after I've seen the
episode.

Just my 2cents.

Susan

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     We'll let her out when the delusion passes.
From: lmcdougal@coglab.uo.edu (Lynn McDougal)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: address error
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:13:46 GMT
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Lest gpotts@hebb.uo.edu reads the afore sent message and has mass
quantities of difficulties with the fact that I sent it in his name, I have
seen fit to rectify the situation and claim the missage as my own.  Thanks
to all in know for making my sleep-time more peaceful(although I *still*
miss Max (sigh)).  Just repeat to yourselves, "No cancellation, no
cancellation, no cancellation....."

Ex Africa Semper Aliquid Novi - Pliny the Elder