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From: hummell+@pitt.edu (Andrew G Hummell)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Phantom Ship Inquiry
Keywords: Philadelphia Experiment
Date: 27 Dec 92 01:09:12 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Dec23.153519.1@stc10.ctd.ornl.gov> ibc@stc10.ctd.ornl.gov writes:
>I seem to remember hearing something about a large naval ship, maybe a 
>battleship, "disappearing" temporarily in the Philadelphia ship yards.  I
>don't recall when this was supposed to have happened.  Can anyone fill 
>in the details?
>
>Thanks,
>Brian

From what I remember reading about the incident (in a book and numerous
articles), the destroyer escort (?) Eldridge was part of a top secret
experiment sometime between 1945 and 1948.  The experiment was to render
the ship invisible to radar.  What supposedly happened ranges from source to
source, but apparently the ship became really invisible and was teleported
to Norfolk (where it was supposedly spotted appearing from thin air).  Most
of the crew were killed or disappeared.  The survivors supposedly went insane
and later disappeared as well.  The military then (supposedly) went ito a full
scale cover up (reporting the crew lost at sea/training accidents/plane
crashes, etc.).  Albert Einstein was also supposedly involved in the project.
The only actual facts that I have seen regarding the incident were papers
detailing the transfer of the ship to a Greek (?) shipping company after it
was decomissioned.  There was a 600 (maybe 60, I'm not sure, since I'm
quoting from memory here) discrepancy (sp?) in the listed 
weight of the ship.  It's military weight was 600 tons more that other ships
of the same type, while its stripped-down weight matched that of other ships
of its type (that were stripped for civilian use).  The discrepancy was not
a typo (it had appeared in two unrelated documents, supposedly), and it was
not a result of the removal of weapons systems.  That's all I really remember.
There are a lot of things about this story which seem far-fetched and a lot
that actually point towards an actual event.  Unless someone in the military
or government actually offers any proof, it will likely be just regarded as
another (urban) legend.

Andy
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From: ibc@stc10.ctd.ornl.gov
Subject: Re: Phantom Ship Inquiry
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:35:19 GMT

In article <BzFwp4.CMz@world.std.com>, rjc@world.std.com (Richard J Callahan) writes:
> 
>  I am researching phantom ship legends and sightings along the New
> England coast, concentrating especially on the areas of Casco Bay and
> Penobscot Bay in Maine. 
> 

I seem to remember hearing something about a large naval ship, maybe a 
battleship, "disappearing" temporarily in the Philadelphia ship yards.  I
don't recall when this was supposed to have happened.  Can anyone fill 
in the details?

Thanks,
Brian

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From: wolfgang@nosc.mil (Lewis E. Wolfgang)
Subject: Re: Christmas .....My father
Reply-To: wolfgang@nosc.mil
Organization: NCCOSC, NRaD Division
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:33:54 GMT

I am sorry about your father, Pat.  I can feel how much you loved him,
your words touched my heart as I am sure they did many others.

My wife, who is from the Philippines, claims to have had similar experiences
to yours.  Not only with family members, but with others as well.  She says
that a feeling of impending death may predate the event by as much as 30
days or so.  She says it is a horrible feeling, made more so by the knowledge
that there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop the event.  That is the
key:  There is nothing you can do to stop it!

					Sincerely
					Lewie
					wolfgang@nosc.mil




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From: beowulf@wam.umd.edu (ames)
Subject: Re: Ghost Ships
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 18:03:37 GMT

not like i know if this actually has anything to do with
real ships, but could someone tell me the story/explain the
term "Flying Dutchman"?

i've heard references to it in some urban folklore (drawing
parallels, i suppose) and madness, but i have no idea what
the actual story is.

thanks
amie

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From: nckwan@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Chung!)
Subject: Christmas .....My father
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: alt
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:20:46 GMT


	Christmas is coming. It makes me that recall my father... 
	I remembered that day which I was in the school. My eyes felt so uncomfortable. My mind cannot kept calm.. I felt somthing is wrong. But I don't know what to do and what is wrong. 
	After school, I quickly came back to home. My grandmom sadly told me that my father had an accident. I and my brother went to hospital. But it's too late for me and my brother to talk my love father.
	I always feel so guilty that I cannot stop this happening. Because I have some uncomfortable feeling (I think it is signal)in that day which is about 10:00 a.m. and my father had an accident about 11:00 a.m.    
	Today, i feel so lonely. I ask myself is that i can change the accident in order to stop my father's repairing the fucked pipe ?   
	Have any guys receive some signals when their family members or relatives are going die?

Pat 
P.S. I Love my father forever....forever.
From: bg213@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark A. Stoffan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Ghost Ships
Date: 25 Dec 1992 05:15:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bg213@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark A. Stoffan)
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In a previous article, rjc@world.std.com (Richard J Callahan) says:

>mlabossi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael C LaBossiere) writes:
>
>>     There are many ghost ship legends in New England, alas my books on the 
>>subject are back home in Maine. New England is a favorite spot of hauntings and

>That would be great!  I would love to hear stories of Maine, on any topic,
>from your family!  I'm sure others would, too.  New England does have a
>many great tales of the supernatural.

I look forward to hearing more about this subject, too.
One incident I'm familiar with is the case of the privateer DASH, a
legendary ship of the 1812 era which disappeared without a trace near
Georges Bank.
	The ship has reportedly been seen in Casco Bay on numerous
occasions, most recently during World War II. Legend holds that each
time a descendant of the original crew dies, the ship comes home to take
the person away to the "other side". The vessel always appears in a
dense fog, usually in a dead calm, but the ship is making speed under
full sail. 
	You're right about New England having it's share of ghost
stories and supernatural tales. While he was no historian, the books of
the late Edward Rowe Snow make for some great reading on stormy
nights. I can recommend some other books as well if you're interested.

-- 
Mark Stoffan		mark@BTSgateP.caps.maine.edu
Portland, Maine		mstoffan@nlbbs.UUCP

From: tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 22:58:27 GMT
Subject: Animal Ghosts?
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories


Does anyone know of ghosts that appear in the form of animals?

I seems funny, perhaps because Man is supposed to be the only life
on earth with a soul etc.. 

I dont see or hear about dogs or cats or fish, lizards, rats etc etc very
often, do you?

I could swear though and I think animal lovers would agree that their
pets are like children to them and there is much love exchanged.  Why 
arent there more animal ghosts?  

I did talk to someone who claims to have been in an empty room painting
and see a cat walk across the room.. like out of one wall into the other.

The door to the room was closed.

Interesting, eh?
Thanks, all.

all disclaimers apply

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From: s1400070@nickel.laurentian.ca
Subject: Re: Animal Ghosts?
Organization: Laurentian University
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 03:19:01 GMT

     I have heard a strange story about the ghost of a dog.  It seems that my
girlfriend's grandmother had a dog called Bear.  It was a small yappy little
thing that was not allowed in the new apartment which she had just rented.  
As a result, Bear was given to one of her daughters.  A couple of years passed
and Bear became quite ill.  The daughter who was taking care of the dog decided
to have it destroyed rather than to see it suffer any longer.  Knowing that
"Grams" would be upset, they did it secretly.  The day after the dog was put
down, Grams phined the daughter and asked if Bear was still alive.  The daughter
was shocked and asked "Why do you ask?" The grandmother then related a story
to the daughter about how she had woken up that night and the dog was sitting 
on her bed.  The dog ran out of the room never to be seen again.
    Maybe this was the ghost of Bear coming to say goodbye.
From: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Gore Orphanage Road in Ohio
Date: 29 Dec 1992 08:02:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Have any of you ever been to Gore Orphanage Road? I've been there
several times. It's a genuinely spooky landscape. Don't know if
any ghosts hang out there, but the atmosphere is wonderful for
telling ghost stories.

Local legends say an orphanage there burned down around 1900.
Some variations on the story say the nuns operating the place fled
and left the children to die; others say the kids died because the
doors opened inwards, and in the rush to get out dozens of the orphans
got crammed against the door and couldn't escape the fire.

In any event, rumor has it you can hear the children screaming in
the night & perhaps even catch a glimpse of the ghosts.

I've always wanted to research the local history of the road to see
how much of the orphanage stories are based in fact. I think it's
in Elyria or Vermilion-- can't recall exactly where.

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Dan S. Dooooooooooooooovall  ///
From: wila@cirrus.seas.ucla.edu (Wilasinee Chunbomrung)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Need Good Ghost Stories
Date: 30 Dec 92 21:36:00 GMT
Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Sciences, UCLA

Hello Netters,

I've been reading some very interesting stories/experiences here,
and I've enjoy them very much.  I will be going on a ski trip next
weekend, and I thought it would be fun to tell long ghost stories at
night in front of the fireplace in a darken cabin.  I was hoping that
maybe someone would share some good, creepy ghost stories (don't need
to be true stories, but better if they are).  Please email me the
stories since I won't have much time reading netnews next week.

Thank you for your help.

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU ALL ON THIS EARTH AND BEYOND!!!  :-)

-Wila
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From: mlabossi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael C LaBossiere)
Subject: Ghost Ships
Summary:    vanishing warship
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:10:38 GMT

The vanishing warship mentioned in regards to Phil. was, I belive, a destroyer.
According to the story, the ship was being fitted with an experimental 
technology that would make it radar invisible (or even really invisible). 
Accoridng to the story, the ship vanished for some time. There is a movie 
called the Phil. Experiment which is about this (its is fiction and is only 
very loosley based on the story).
     There are many ghost ship legends in New England, alas my books on the 
subject are back home in Maine. New England is a favorite spot of hauntings and
there are many Native American legends about the area (fearsome beats, ghosts, 
spirits, etc.).I'm going to write my family for any stories they have heard of 
and post them.
Michael
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From: pboxrud@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul D Boxrud)
Subject: Re: Animal Ghosts?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:50:05 GMT

In article <60000004@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com> tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony
 Zugates) writes:
>
>Does anyone know of ghosts that appear in the form of animals?
>
>I seems funny, perhaps because Man is supposed to be the only life
>on earth with a soul etc..
>
>I dont see or hear about dogs or cats or fish, lizards, rats etc etc very
>often, do you?
>
>I could swear though and I think animal lovers would agree that their
>pets are like children to them and there is much love exchanged.  Why
>arent there more animal ghosts?
>
>I did talk to someone who claims to have been in an empty room painting
>and see a cat walk across the room.. like out of one wall into the other.
>
>The door to the room was closed.
>
>Interesting, eh?
>Thanks, all.
>
>all disclaimers apply
>


How would you notice an animal ghost unless it was a pet?  There have been many
pet ghosts on this group.

Paul
From: toma@hyperion.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tom Atwater)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Phantom Ship Inquiry
Date: 31 Dec 92 18:16:36 GMT
Organization: Code 916, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center

In article <1992Dec30.171802.9502@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st890270@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>The one that you are thinking of was the Philladelphia project, having
>something to do w/ putting an electric pulse through the ships hull to 
>somehow interfere w/ a torpedo's sonar (or something like that)

>many years later, a movie was put out called the "Philladelphia Experiment"
>about a teleporting ship & how this drove the crew insane.

I have seen a documentary about this subject. I believe it concerns the
role of the famous mathematician von Neumann. (I think it was a videotape
of a lecture by someone, maybe von Neumann, now that I think of it --
don't think this is the Hollywood version you refer to.)

Anyway it involved people getting stuck between dimensions.
Supposedly sailors wound up with parts of their bodies embedded in
machinery, etc.
Don't know how much credence to put in it, but the lecturer was clearly
convinced of the truth himself -- he said he had been there.

(apologize if this is redundant -- I missed the beginning of this thread.)

-- 
Tom Atwater
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From: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Need good Ghost Stories
Date: 21 Dec 1992 16:10:53 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts4.ebay.sun.com

Hello everyone, I have only been on this network for 3 weeks now and read
many good stories and comments.  I know there are alot of stories I have
not heard of because I am new to this network.  But can you guys send me
some good stories that you already told but through email, this way you
won't bore people with old stories.

email replies preferred for old stories 

gee thanx

Dave
		
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From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF)
Subject: Re: Phantom Ship Inquiry
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 03:42:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.153519.1@stc10.ctd.ornl.gov> ibc@stc10.ctd.ornl.gov writes:
>In article <BzFwp4.CMz@world.std.com>, rjc@world.std.com (Richard J Callahan) writes:
>> 
>>  I am researching phantom ship legends and sightings along the New
>> England coast, concentrating especially on the areas of Casco Bay and
>> Penobscot Bay in Maine. 
>> 
>
>I seem to remember hearing something about a large naval ship, maybe a 
>battleship, "disappearing" temporarily in the Philadelphia ship yards.  I
>don't recall when this was supposed to have happened.  Can anyone fill 
>in the details?

There's such a snarl of pseudo-scientific hokery surrounding the supposed
"Philadelphia Incident" that it's hard to pull _any_ facts out.  The
minimalist version of the story is that extremely powerful electromagnets
were supposedly used on a ship supposedly named the USS Eldridge, and that
the ship supposedly reappeared instantly hundreds of miles away in
Portsmouth or Norfolk, VA, and supposedly sailors were walking through
walls and disappearing into thin air and supposedly efforts using a wide
range of weird technology were supposedly used to try to rescue the
sailors from their supposed living hell about this supposed death ship.

Joel "Vandervecken" Furr
jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu
From: tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 22:50:59 GMT
Subject: Re: My Own Ghost Story
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories

Lewis...thanks for the story..  

I think you are at what was once called NOSC, point loma, right?

I used to service computer equipment there both bayside seaside..
nice place to work!  

Anyway, do you know of the Proctor Valley ghost?  Proctor Valley
has a tale and for the life of me I cant remember the details.. it 
was a place for teenagers to go at night to see if they could 
encounter the ghost..  I have a friend who claims to have seen it.
He and some other of my friends went there for the same reason..something
to do for fun.. He claims that they were walking in the valley 
talking and they noticed something against the dark background about
50 yds away..it was lighter than the background foliage and taller
than wider..about the size of the human body.  He says that when they
noticed it they couldnt recognize what it was and it was stationary.
They didnt think much of it, could be anything and continued walking
and talking about what it could be.  They noticed though that it 
would change position.. They really couldnt tell if it was moving..
certainly, when they stopped to observe, it was stationary.  They 
would move up the road 50 more yards and it appeared to be trailing
them. Well, needless to say this scared the sh** out of them and 
they decided to go back to the car and head home without approaching
the object.  It wasnt glowing either, just lighter than the background.

I have never encountered anything supernatural and remain a skeptic
until the day I do.. I envy you.. I am intensely curious about these
things, being formally educated in science myself.  I know my 
friends and they are not ones to make up hoky stories...I can only 
assume that they described what they saw was what they think something
other than a reflection. There was no moon in the sky and this object
was lurking in foliage.   

I guess they saw the Proctor Valley ghost.. I think I recall hearing
that the ghost is supposed to be a woman.  

If you ever hear about this one, I'd appreciate you posting here...

Thanks, Lewis.

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From: sdrm@netcom.com (Lewis E. Wolfgang)
Subject: Re: My Own Ghost Story
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 06:13:36 GMT

Hi.. about the Proctor Valley Ghost...

Well, I am Lewis's 17-year-old daughter and I have heard stories, tales,
rumors, etc. about this Proctor Valley ghost.  Many of my teenage friends
have either gone to this valley or heard these stories.  I'm always
talking about going there myself but I haven't gone yet.

A bunch of college guys I know did drive through Proctor Valley.  They said
they followed a long (dirt?  I can't remember) and dark road.  The only light
was from their headlights.  They reached the end of the road and saw a 
tree;  underneath they say they saw a lady dressed in white.  I can't quite
remember the details.

One tale I've heard is that cars will sometimes encounter this lady in
white standing in the middle of the road.  If you don't stop to let her in,
you will never return.

Another bunch of guys I know began their drive down the dark road, but say
that they were afraid the car wouldn't make it back (junk car) so they
turned back.

I remain skeptical about all of this.  I'll have to ask these friends
about the details again sometime because I have a terrible memory.
These are just rumors that I've heard.  One day I'll have to make that
drive into Proctor Valley myself to see what happens.  :)

Lewie's daughter,
Deborah

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From: warman@eagle.sangamon.edu (Stan Warman)
Subject: Strange House
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Sangamon State University
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 20:40:53 GMT

Several years ago I was hanging around with a friend whose home
was situated on a lonely rural road here in Springfield, Illinois.
He and other members of his family had told me of several strange
incidents that had occurred there. BTW, not that I believe it has
anything to do with it, but they had a black cat with only three
legs and six toes on each of the remaining ones. :)
It seems they believe that the husband/father of their family who
died some years before was still there, watching over them..
They would often hear piano music drifting through the house exactly
as he used to play it. Also, some of the usual things reported in
hauntings such as hearing footsteps and doors being opened or closed.
One particularly strange incident they related to me was where they
decided to try contacting the presence through a seance. Nothing
happened for some time, then suddenly they noticed that the chandelier
was slowly moving as if being pushed by an unseen hand! It moved to
a 45 degree angle, stayed there for a moment, then slowly returned to
normal.

They also told me a story of an old, abandoned shack about one half
mile from their house way back from the road. We went there once(during
the day) to explore but it was extremely rickety so we couldn't do much
more than look inside through the door and windows. Legend had it that
someone kept a bunch of dogs there in cages and treated them very badly.
In fact, they were finally just completely abandoned, left to starve to
death; but not before howling horribly for many days. Now, some area
residents can sometimes hear terrible howling that seems to come from
back there, but no one wants to investigate.

I have one personal experience at this house that is rather spooky.
One night, my friend and I were outside playing badmitton and I truly
believe that no one else was home. Suddenly, the little dog set up a
terrific barking from inside the house. Now, I had been visiting this
home for many months and I had _never_ heard that dog bark. My friend
verified that it really wasn't a noisy dog at all, so we were both a
bit taken aback by this. We went up to the front door and tried to get
in, but it was locked. My buddy went around to the back door, but it
wouldn't open either! He came back to the front and we listened to the
dog and wondered what to do next. Just as suddenly as it started, the
dog stopped his excited barking. When we again tried the door, it came
right open! We looked all through that house, but found nothing unusual.

     "An argument isn't just saying 'no it isn't'".
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