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From: mmccrimm@drd.com (Mark.McCrimmon)
Subject: Metal Grooves Parallel to Road cause Crash
Keywords: Accident
Organization: DRD Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:49:18 GMT

 About a year ago I was on my way from work to school. It was raining pretty
hard so visibility was low. I came up upon a bridge on Interstate 170 in 
St. Louis, caught a metal expansion groove about 2.5 inches wide, 3 inches
deep and the length of the bridge. Needless to say, it wasn't  like catching a
groove in the mud with knobby tires. I went down at about 50 miles an hour
and rolled for about 150 feet. Traffic stopped and I was able to get up and
get home not to badly hurt. My dress pants weren't the most protective gear
though. I spoke to the state highway officials and they said that they
had more bridges that had alot more major problems than some little groove
that motorcycles could crash in. I still would like to see some changes to
our road system in reference to our rights and mostly our SAFETY. I have
a wife now and want to be able to continue to ride and feel safe about it.

	Also, a note that I have raced dirt bikes competitively for 13 years and
still it doesn't make a difference, there are obstacles out there that 
can take us down.

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From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:04:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Know someone at Triumph or Norton???
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) / 11:29 am  Oct  6, 1992 /

 Funny, I used to ride a Bonnie for 8 years. I ride a Jap bike now but
still can't bring myself to call these new ones Triumphs. There is
absolutely nothing Triumph to these things except the logo. It's a
rip-off of an old, no, legendary name. It's about as legitimate as
copying a 1000 Ninja, sticking an Indian logo on it, and calling it an Indian.
                               Jorg

----------
Interesting enough, Triumph put together a working prototype called the    
Quadrant which was a 4-cylinder version of the old pushrod Trident which
is now in the National Motorcycle Museum near Birmingham. Had they not
went belly-up the chances are excellent that they'd have been competing
with the CB750s and Z1s of that era. Fact is, the Triumph Bonny wasn't
at the forefront of high performance motorcycles since the late 60s nor
were they as reliable. The current Triumph 1200/4 Trophy and Daytona
models might be intended to attract FJ1200, ST1100 and ZX-11 owners,
but the Triumph 900 triples (Trophy, Sprint, Tiger, Daytona & Trident)
are selling very well and have character while remaining as reliable
if not more so than the Jap-motos. Excuse me, but all 5 models are
for 1993 model year as only the Trophy and Trident are currently
available as 1992 models. Anyway, its been reported that JB Triumph
will introduce a liquid cooled DOHC parallel twin as a Bonneville!
When and where I don't know, but have read reports to that effect
and I personally think it'll debut in the 1994 model year. Want one?

1993 JB Triumphs; 1200/4 Daytona and Trophy, 900/3 Daytona, Sprint,
                  Tiger, Trophy and Trident, 750/3 Trident.

Yeah, 1993 900/3 Trident reported to have black engine and exhaust
system w/ two tone deep red and black paintjob like the late Bonnys.
A set of Norman Hyde Ray Gun 2 silencers and 1/4 or 1/2 fairing would
be tempting. Well, if not here for 1993 then 1994! 


Graeme Harrison
DoD#0649

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: csl@swl.msd.ray.com (Scott Lilliott)
Subject: Re: If you could pick only 5 bikes...
Organization: Raytheon Company, Tewksbury, MA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:12:12 GMT

Five huh? why 5? why not 7? or3? or to be really challenged, 1? (do we all
really own the 1 bike we want?) 
alright, I'll shut up ...

In no particular order of acquisition:
	Norton 750 Commando short-stroke (77x80)
	Heritage Softail
	Ducati 860 GT
	VFR750 ('92 w/red bodywork)
	'61 Norton Manx
S.
-- 
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      #   INOA #8563                       -- Fudd's First Law      #
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: alavigne@bmerh930.bnr.ca (Andrew Lavigne)
Subject: Re: Need help with VF500F idle
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Distribution: usa
Date: 14 Oct 92 09:09:09


>- It idles perfectly when I first start it, but gets worse in a linear
>   fashion as the bike gets warmer.  Finally it dies, and won't restart until
>   the bike cools down.
>- Throttle response is otherwise normal.
>- Adjusting the idle speed stop screw does not solve the problem; i.e.
>   it still gets to the point where it stalls at idle when it gets warm.

I had a problem where gas was getting into my oil.   One of the symptoms was
the idle getting worse on warmup until stalling.  

Check your  float valves & needles.  Maybe they are stuck, gummy, scored, etc..
            They may need a cleaning or replacement.

YMMV, I could be wrong, etc etc...

Andrew
alavigne@bnr.ca
1986 VF500F
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.bicycles
From: pdomain@emory.edu (Mike Mitten)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How far do you commute?
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:10:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: emoryu1.1113
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Mr. Bill (leavitt@cs.umd.edu) wrote:
>HAHN@UCF1VM.BITNET writes:
>>Many execuses for NOT commuting tho:
>>...
>>8) Have no bike
>
>I don't remember seeing Ed reply to this thread.  Does this mean
>somebody else on this group (other than Ed) doesn't have a bike?

     Well, since you asked, I don't have a *motorcycle*, (yet;  I
took the MSF MRC in August, got my license in September, and now
I have to save money for a bike.  This is much harder than the
class was.) but I do have a bicycle, on which I commute a minimum
of 1.75 miles one way every day.  There are longer loops I can
take when I have the time.

	 -Mike

Mike Mitten, not speaking for:
Public Domain, Inc.  P.O. Box 8899  Atlanta, GA  30306-0899
(404) 612-7529  INTERNET: pdomain@emory.edu
DoD#522                Irony is the spice of life.
From: marcl@os-d.isc-br.com (H. Marc Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Which side do you mount up from?
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:47:40 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:

>So what's the preferred mounting method when you've got a high load on
>the rear of the bike? Swing your leg high over the rear, and hope you
>clear everything, or just attempt to step over the seat while trying
>to look graceful?

In the situation you describe above, I park the bike in gear so when I get
back on, I just step over the seat.  Leaving it in gear when I stop makes it
easier to control the bike one-handed when I hop off on one leg.
--
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From: JDR118@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: RE: STUPID COLLEGE DRIVERS
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:54:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92283.125402JDR118
Organization: Penn State University

Yo Ed, chill out dude!!!  I only turn in the pricks who piss me off personally.
I don't just screw over people at random ( that wouldn't be funny because
college students don't have much money to begin with).  In my own defense, I am
on the Traffic Appeals Board and we do approve many appeals for the BS
infractions that many students get ticketed for.  But when some MORON in a CAGE
decides to park in the motorcycle spots, or cuts me off and then parks in a no
parking zone, I'm gonna get even!!!!!!!!

James D. Ruhlman1972 Triumph Bonneville 650
DoD#0712       1976 Honda CB550 (now 600)

People who take other people too f**kin' seriously
               have no place on rec.motorcyles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:22:57 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

In article <1992Oct13.100921.16231@news.arc.nasa.gov> howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.140654.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, sproksch@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
>|> d
>|> sdjfh
>|> sed
>
>
>One of those loooooong days?
>
>Curt

D'Orque's First Law of Threads:
  The most read thread will be that with the word 'private' contained within.

D'Orque's Second Law of Threads:
  The second most widely read thread will be "test - please ignore".

D'Orque's Third Law of Threads:
  The most boring thread is that with no title.

Yes, it IS the Longest Day.

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"Would you trust a company who have their bits reversed ?".
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From: shoun@netcom.com (Lissa Shoun)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley riders are JAGOFFS!!
Summary: More lame attempts at humor
Keywords: Harley, Ed, joke
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:09:18 GMT
Organization: 5 by 5

In article <Bvv3Cp.17D@acsu.buffalo.edu> 
v058l789@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (I AM the Nighthawk) writes:

>	Look folks... lets remember one thing.  Its not what you ride, but that 
>you ride.

This is close, but here on rec.motorcycles the correct expression is:

It's not what you ride (or if you ride, Ed), but that you post.


-- 
Lissa
shoun@netcom.com     (408) 926-0812
From: spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: New BMW 1938 R71 for 7,500.00
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:27:08 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hailwood.asd.sgi.com

daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) says:
> 
> "R71 Motorcycle with sidecar found in original crates in a warehouse in china.
> Has never been on the road.

WARNING: There are LOTS of these around. A local BMW car dealer has one
he's trying to pawn off for $10,000. More realistically, a California
company had them for sale this spring for $4,500. True market value is
significantly less than that; the quality of these is absolutely terrible,
and should only be viewed as either (a) an art object, never to be ridden;
or (b) a basket case needing a 100% rebuild, and many parts replaced with
genuine BMW ones. They have NO collector's value at all.

....paul

-- 
Paul Spencer                 Silicon Graphics Advanced Graphics Division
spencer@sgi.com                                Mountain View, California
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: the r.m meta flame topic
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:33:01 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 679@halfdome.sf.ca.us, bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker) writes:
>(1) what is countersteering?
>(2) bmws never die
>(3) fj's v. bmw
>(4) shaft or chain?
>(5) two stroke or four stroke?
>(6) harleys/japcrap suck
>(7) is "jap" an insult?
>(8) valve springs are for losers
>(9) how to put your bike on the centerstand
>(10) are helmet laws good?
>(11) using the back brake
>(12) the s/n ratio is too high and the dod is responsible for it
>(13) are .dirt,.harley,.racing groups good?  .tech? .dod?

(14) is lane splitting/sharing dangerous?
(15) S-100 vs. Simple Green
(16) can you jump start a motorcycle from a cage?
(17) Get a bike, Ed
(18) What is the DoD?
(19) are deer whistles effective?
(20) do loud pipes save lives?
(21) bikini biker babes

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Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: Now we're on to something
Keywords: time us japanese impala lechwe whoops
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 22:39:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.165014.1345@osf.org> jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.145206.9555@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>>Perhaps you could provide contact information for some companies that do
>>manufacture time? I've been running short on it lately, and would like
>>to replenish my stock.
>
>Well, when I was younger, I had a Seiko (you know, the perfect kind). But 
>then I got older and a Tag Heur seemed to fit my style of living. Sure the
>Seiko is faster and the Tag has a real buzz, but it holds its value after
>ten years. Of course I always wanted a Timex, but I never quite bought the 
>U.S. image with Japanese parts. Right now I want to buy one of those classic 
>Bulova's with the stems hanging out there in the breeze, that don't need a 
>battery - before they stop making that kind......
>

Ectually, what you want is that perfect example of Teutonic 
(EG: German / Swiss) mechanical excellence, where there is an engineered
in excess of reliability, though at the expense of a little weight, where
you have the knowledge that you are touching perfection, where you may
have a product that doesn't exhibit the bleeding edge of technology,
but will always do exactly what you expect of it.  In case you haven't
deduced this by now, I'm refering to a BMW^H^H^H^H ROLEX of course!

Sorry, the devil made me do it.

>Of course when it comes right down to it - all these time machines work
>pretty well and instead of bashing each other we should be supporting 
>attendance at MSF (Management Skills Foundation) time management courses.
>
>-John
>============================================================================
>                            John S. Morris  #0316
>  Open Software Foundation - 11 Cambridge Centre - Cambridge, MA 02142 USA
>    Voice: +1 (617) 621-8739 Fax: +1 (617) 621-0584 Email: jsm@osf.org
>                           Ride: K100RS Cage: 320i 

Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers 411, BK Ohio V
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff
            {  Friends don't let friends ride Japanese bikes  }
From: "jeb weisman" <jeb.weisman@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: new bmw 1938 r71 for
Date: 14 Oct 92 07:17:00 EST
Reply-To: "jeb weisman" <jeb.weisman@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information

PS>he's trying to pawn off for $10,000. More realistically, a California
PS>company had them for sale this spring for $4,500. True market value is
PS>significantly less than that; the quality of these is absolutely terrible,
PS>and should only be viewed as either (a) an art object, never to be ridden;
PS>or (b) a basket case needing a 100% rebuild, and many parts replaced with
PS>genuine BMW ones. They have NO collector's value at all.

PS>....paul

This is very true.  Though the original toolings were sold to the Chinese, the
quality of the materials used (like the metal for engine casings) stinks and
the dies were fairly worn as well.

Also, having seen two of these miracle bikes, they have Chinese stampings all
over them.  I'd say the most valuable part of this bike is the side car.

There was a guy here in the NYC area trying to sell 5 of these.  The one he
sold is now the subject fo a false claims lawsuit (which is why J. Peterman is
so careful to note that this is not a real BMW).

-Jeb

jebw@well.sf.ca.us
jeb.weisman@execnet.com
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From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: NTV-600 Tyres (Go gentle with me!)
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:02:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: b62003.dbc-081092185912
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: world
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62003.student.cwru.edu

In article <1992Oct8.080551.5775@meiko.com>, andye@meiko.co.uk (Andy Evans)
wrote:
> 
> 
[Smacks Ed around a little]
> 
> (So how's that for my second posting? Have I passed the first stage of the DoD
> initiation test?)

Better, but Ed is a special case.  You need to get him with some remark
about him not having a bike.  Something to the effect of:

But of course you wouldn't know anything about MC tires, since you're a
truck driving, posing, wanna bike but don't got one, little girl with
tennis ball chasing, llama lover.

Keep working on it thought, you'll get the hang of it.  Of course,
you might get mail from some some weenie at sonoma.edu bitching about
how you contribute to the low SNR here on rec.moto.  Just think of
it as a chance to practice a little more.

| Dean Cookson / dbc@po.cwru.edu / 216 754-1834 | DoD #207  AMA #573534|
| Case Western Reserve U. Computer E. and Sci.  | KotNML  /  KotB      |
| "You can lead the house to order, but you     | '81 CB750C           |
| can't make it think"  -William Weld (Gov. Ma.)| '88 Bianchi Limited  |
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: If you could pick only 5 bikes...
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:03:52 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 8306@vtserf.cc.vt.edu, ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>Oh what the hell, I may as well dream too. . .

That's what everybody's doing.  I didn't take it as "dream bikes," but
as a serious question, not "what 5 do you *want*?" but, "you can only
have 5... what are they?"

1. 600 sportsbike
2. DP
3. tourer

I can't imagine why I would want another motorcycle, given these
three.  At that point, I'm set, and there are other fun things to spend
money on:

4. jet ski/powerboat
5. ultralight/hang glider
6. % interest in airplane

Of course, right now, the money to spend on #1 would be welcome...

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: fleckens@plains.NoDak.edu (Clint Fleckenstein)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: If you could pick only 5 bikes...
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:44:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.Bw76Iy.ED3
Organization: North Dakota Higher Ed Computing Network


1- Kawasaki ZX-7
2- CBR 900 RR
3- Gilera CX
4- Honda NS250R SE / CBR 250 RR (19,000 rpm!)
5- Honda NSR 750 (oval piston 32 valve carbon fiber beastie)


But I'd probably miss my EX500, which is the perfect bike for me.
I can make it dance, and that's more important than how exotic it
is.

This list is subject to revision soon, as both Honda and Kawasaki 
are planning to release even more hyper 600cc bikes.  It's time for
an upgrade, folks...


Clint Flecken-stimpy

"...we can't rewind, we've gone to far..."     --Buggles, 'Video Killed
                                                         the Radio Star'
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley Outperforms ZX11, Film at Eleven
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:27:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Oct13.192721.16355
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <1992Oct13.181328.11740@news.yale.edu> 
rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:

>In article <1992Oct13.131914.16332@husc3.harvard.edu>
>zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:

>>In article <1992Oct13.152140.8162@news.yale.edu> 
>>rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:

ER:
>>>"Harley loses a lot of customers by not building sport bikes."
>>>Seeing as Harley basically sells it's entire production NOW, how is
>>>it going to sell more bikes by building sport bikes?

MZ:
>>If they make more bikes, they can sell more bikes.  If they sell more
>>bikes, they can make more money.  If they make more money, they can invest
>>it in new production facilities and hire more workers.  If they expand
>>their production facilities and hire more workers, they can make more
>>bikes, sell them all, and make even more money.  Generally speaking, this
>>is how capitalism works.  Film at eleven.

ER:
>The fact that they are currently selling all the bikes they make
>suggests that it would be far simpler to simply make more of the bikes
>that they currently make, rather than invest much money in retooling
>to design, produce, etc. an entirely new kind of bike.

Simpler, yes, but not necessarily better.  Harley's current market share in
cruisers is very likely as high as it can ever get, so without having that
particular market segment grow numerically, they may not be able to sell a
lot more of the same bikes.  On the other hand, diversification into a
different, yet fundamentally similar high-performance racing V-twin would
get them a prestigious foothold in a different area, which already contains
a substantial customer base with a lot of brand loyalists they can count
on.  Nor would they necessarily have to spend a lot of money on race
development, with suitable designs having been produced on shoestring
budgets by people like Britten.  In any case, they have been claiming that
such efforts are underway for as long as I can remember.

ER:
>Remember that the point here is to net more money, not gross more
>money. To increase one's gross at the expense of high development
>costs is not always a win. 

Quite so, but nor is staking everything on the tried and true tradition.
Remember the VW Beetle and the Citroen 2CV?  Or, for that matter, the Colt
.45 M1911?

>-Ekr
>
>
>
>
>-- 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Eric Rescorla, DoD#431 (Nighthawk S)              rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu
>Former chemist now CM400 mechanic                 ekr@eitech.com(preferred)
>        "God gets off on a technicality. Film at 11" --CJ Silverio

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Nous donnons la mort, nous saurons la subir."
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Heat loss from the human head
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 11 Oct 92 15:34:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * 501-985-0059 * Public Access Usenet


-> For the initial computer models, I have been using the numbers given
-> to me, but for the final model and the report my team (and
-> professors) require a documentable source.


 Simple.  Make your own study.  With your sample subject in a room of
known temperature, attach thermocouples to various points on the head.
Measure the temperature difference between the head and ambient.  Take
an infrared photo to see if there are any spots you should pay special
attention to.

 The USAF and NASA probably have the information you want already, but
you'd have to find out where/who to ask.