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From: Denes.House@launchpad.unc.edu (Denes House)
Subject: Re: Bob Larson News(?) hmmm....
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:10:18 GMT

	Do it. I want to read it! Thanks in advance,

--Denes House <dhouse@itsmail1.hamilton.edu>



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From: meo@pencom.com (Miles O'Neal)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Robert E. McElwaine is BEING DUPED!
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:34:03 GMT
Reply-To: meo@pencom.com
Organization: Pencom Software

Yo, Bob!

I used to hear things like this on DRUGS.  Yeah, the
sounds could vary enormously, as could the videos (all
without any help from a device).

Guess what?

It was a BIG LIE.

Mayhap you should READ the Bible, and see what it has
to say about ECKANAR.  Maybe YOU think you can serve
multiple Masters - the Bible has something to say about
that.

Meanwhile, the "music of the spheres" beats anything
your masters have to offer me.  While I will GRANT that
you have a right to your beliefs, your CHOIR is singing
in the wrong place in this group with a THINLY VEILED
ADVERTISEMENT for a NON-CHRISTIAN belief set.  Perhaps
you need a spiritual TOURNIQUET to staunch the spiritual
loss of blood.  Hey, I'll forgive you SEVENTY SEVEN times,
but it still belongs elsewhere.  We HEARD all we need to
to see you are full-blown, gonzo, confused about Christianity.

Or are you just faking it to troll for weak fish?  I knew
some NSA buddhists like that once...

-Miles
meo@pencom.com
Organization: Doctoral student, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:48:20 -0500 
From: Steven Timm <st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re:  David Maddux

David Maddux, in addition to the "Evening In December" series, 
also produced First Call "Something Takes Over", Karla Worley "Ever
Faithful", and an acapella 16-part version of himself called "eventide".
Also he did quite a bit of arranging for Larnelle Harris'  I Can Begin Again.

Steve Timm


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From: rez@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Anestis Kozakis <Rez>)
Subject: Re: Steve Taylor's "I Predict 1990" (was Re: Dancing with commitment)
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:26:41 GMT

In <1993Jan21.195231.16296@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> hill@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Hill) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.184819.18890@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com
>(andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>>to be "I Predict 1990."
>[stuff deleted]
>>So it's not all doom and gloom.  But I guess I'm curious as to whether
>>"I Predict 1990" is typical of Steve's work.  I'm intrigued enough
>>that I'm willing to check out the other albums.  But let's put it
>>this way:  if there were more guitars, I might be more intrigued.
>IMO, _I_Predict_1990_ was his darkest album, in terms of sarcasm and musical
>style
>Don't know for sure about "more guitars", tho.  I don't usually
>analyze music even to that extent 
>>>Scott "Abstinence is underrated, but tedious" Naylor
>Amen, brother!

Ok. If someone wants more guitar, check out Chagall Guevara's CD (can't
remember the title, but it's on a secular label). Very Heavy Christian
emphasis at times, and Steve Taylor spearheads the group with his lead
singing.
Anestis.
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"Off days" are a part of life, I guess, whether you're a cartoonist, a
neurosurgeon, or an air-traffic controller. -- Gary Larson.
"Children on the _Enterprise_?!" - J.L. Picard - "Yesterday's Enterprise"
From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:27:40 GMT
Subject: Re: Cynthia Clawson -- old albums
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

In rec.music.christian, gt0429c@prism.gatech.EDU (Steve Perkins) writes:

>      Well I've just about purged myself of every last detail of 
> Clawson/Maddux info I have.  If anyone else has any more info, please 
> post.  Esp. album title and concert info.
> 
> Hope somebody cared.  :-)

Thanks Steve. Re concert schedule, CC was conspicuously absent in the On Tour
listing in the current CCM. She is apparently not touring.

Hope that means she's in the studio :->

Bob ("In The Garden"???!! Oh well.....)Miller rhm@hpfirhm.fc.hp.com
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From: burtp@rs6407.ecs.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt)
Subject: Re: Christian Music Dance Clubs
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:07:36 GMT

In article <695.UUL1.3#5131@mvac23.UUCP> thomas@mvac23.UUCP (Thomas Lapp) writes:
>> I was impressed with something Scott Tubbs (bass, the violet burning) told my
>> friend at Cornerstone'92: 
>> He said he couldn't wait to get back home after their tour so that he could go
>> to clubs and hang out with non-Christians.
>
>I hope he meant that he wanted to get away from the "Holy Huddle" and
>get into surroundings where he was with a group of people he could
>minister to.  For some folks, who might have come out of a bar
>environment, there would be too much temptation.  I trust Scott
>isn't one of those.
>                         - tom

Believe it or not, Christians sometimes get sick of Christians.  Not
that they neccessarily forsake the fellowship, but they are tired of
some of the things that some Christians do when they are together (the
lingo for instance).  Also, seeing different viewpoints often helps us
to better understand ourselves, the world, God, and people.  People
who are not Christians often do have some insight into life that we
can benefit from.

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Subject: Re: CHRISTIANS ARE BEING DUPED!
From: ajsmith@ualr.edu
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:27:38 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

In article <1993Jan25.172835.3295@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
> 
> 
>      The "ECKANKAR" organization, referred to in the following article, has
> been producing THE MOST BEAUTIFUL MUSIC I have ever heard, including the audio
> cassette albums "Songs of the Golden Heart", "Dance of the HU", and "Come Share
> the Dream".  It is MANY TIMES better than any Christian music I ever heard!
> 
> 
O.k. sure now....

	You have all been duped you must now, unconditionally, and 
whole-heatedly turn to the one true god!

		D A V E   T H E   T A C O   G O D ! ! ! !

	You must believe in Dave the Taco God or forever be sent to Deep Fry
Hell! to forever eat the Bean Burritoes and Lentil Burgers.
	Accept Dave so your life may be filled with the Mild Sauce.

						D.M. Clutz
						Pontiff of Chruch of Dave

p.s. YES I am being overly sarcastic, sue me. My prayers are with all those who
are still blinded...

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From: tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Michael David Toth)
Subject: Re: Breakfast With Amy--Love Gift
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:53:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.120030.1139@uoft02.utoledo.edu> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Michael David Toth) writes:
>> 
>> The appreciation for this song just sort of dawned on me one day, 
>> in the same way it did for the original "Paranoimia" by Art of 
>> Noise with Max Headroom.
>
>whoa. does this mean there are any musical similarity between Love Gift
>and Paranoimia? if so, i'm going to order it right away. In Visible
>Silence is one of my favorite CDs. BWA+AoN would = some seriously
>cool & warped stuff.
>
Well, I don't think there's a single synthesizer on Love Gift, but I do
see a similarity in their odd sense of humor and the deceptive
complexity of those two songs.  But yeah, I think it's seriously cool &
warped...

Michael
tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu 
>jason "computer generated sw-sw-swagger!" steiner
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From: jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer)
Subject: Re: Anti Gay Discrimination Laws (was TANGENT: ...)
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:50:46 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

In article <1993Jan25.201008.1542@prpa.philips.com> ross@prpa.philips.com (Ross Morley) writes:
>mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries) writes:
>
>>[Measure 2 about "Special Treatment"]
>[Concern about schools & churches having to hire lesbigays]

I would point out that many courts have upheld the right of churches
and other religious organizations, such as schools, to refuse to hire
anyone who does not share the religious views of the church or 
organization.

IE, churches and religious schools are not in any way, shape or form
required to hire those outside of that religion.  Jewish schools are
NOT required to hire muslims or christians. Christian schools are 
NOT required to hire atheists or buddhists. Heck, Othodox Jewish
schools are perfectly free to not hire (or fire!) a Reformed priest.
So for a Christian organization which does not accept homosexuality
to not hire a homosexual or even a Christian homosexual is okay.

BTW, I have never heard or read of any lesbigay wanting any kind of
affirmative action program. What they're interested in is the right
to walk down a street holding hands with the person they'd like to
marry (if it were only legal) and not have to worry about getting
their brains beat out with a baseball bat because they're "fags".
Or the right to put their sweetie's picture on their desk at work
and not get fired because their sweetie is of the same sex. Or the
right to send their child to a public (not religious, public) 
school and not having their child taught that their parents are bad
because their parents are both of the same sex.

-jen
From: mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: TANGENT: RE: Christian Coalition (was Christian Dancing & Clubs)
Date: 26 Jan 1993 17:49:32 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: usa
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In article <DSC9HMR.93Jan25161848@bumed10.med.navy.mil>, dsc9hmr@bumed10.med.navy.mil (H. Mike Rice) writes:
|> 
|> Depending on your perspective with respect to Biblical prophecy,
|> Saints, we are living in an exciting age.
:
|> Saints .... Get Excited .... Keep Looking Up !!!

I sure don't claim to know "the day or the hour" for the end times,
but I agree it is exciting to watch for fulfillment of bible prophecy.

There is a weekly half hour program that airs on Thursday evening on
our local PTL station called "This Week in Bible Prophecy", which
examines weekly world news and compares it to bible prophecy.  Its a
low budget program, but enjoyable and interesting, none-the-less.

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From: DMCGRAW1@ua1vm.ua.edu (Brian McGraw)
Subject: Atlanta Fest 1992
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:41:43 GMT

 
Howdy-Ho, Net-Neighbors.
 
I was wondering if anyone out there attended Atlanta Fest 1992 at Six
Flags, and, more importantly, if anyone knows how to obtain a video
tape of the event.  Steven Curtis Chapman mentioned my name from the
stage, and helped me propose to my fiancee.  I would love to get part
of this magical moment on tape, and would appreciate any help.
 
Thanks!
 
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| McGraw | DMcGraw1@UA1VM.ua.edu |  Jesus Saves While Satan Raves!!!   |
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From: drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (D. Keith Rice)
Subject: Re: Al Denson "Extra Mile" Tour Dates/Locations
Organization: University of North Texas
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:36:43 GMT

In <lsa1.728083857@Ra.MsState.Edu> lsa1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Larry S. Anderson) writes:

>Since several of people have asked me indirectly to give out the
>information on Al's concert schedule, I thought I would just post
>it to the group.

>Beware:  He bought a whole warehouse full of video and audio/PA
>stuff, so it should be a treat!  Let us know if you are able to
>attend a concert -- tell us what you think.

[list deleted]

I was able to attend Al's opening concert in Dallas.  It was great!!
He had two large video screens, one on each side of the stage.  They
were for the interactive video effects he has incorporated into the
show.  The lighting was superb!  Al's ministry is focused mainly on
teenagers but it has appeal for adults as well.  There were around 2000
people who made some type of decision for Christ that night.  Al's
ministry is definitely going to be one of the most productive (spiritually)
in Christian music today.

Keith

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From: marlatt@spot.Colorado.EDU (Stuart W. Marlatt)
Subject: Re: Dancing with commitment
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:20:14 GMT

In article <1jpu53INNgra@shelley.u.washington.edu> jmstreck@carson.u.washington.edu (John Streck) writes:
>burtp@aix.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt) writes:
>
>>Does anyone know if any videos were made for any CG songs?  I have
>>seen the videos for 1990, and some are pretty good.  Jim Morison's
>>grave is absolutely increadible!
>
>I've heard of and read about, but not seen, a video for "Violent Blue." It
>was supposedly shot in a cave.

Which cave, John? Inquiring cavers *(:-) want to know?


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From: jpeg8496@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey P. Elbel)
Subject: Re: Animator Review (REAL PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!!!!!)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:03:46 GMT

 
 Hi there.  Your assessment of Animator based on "Gallery" was
 largely true, though not entirely.  I don't want to pick apart
 your excellent "non-review" for errors or anything.  I've been
 associated with the band for almost four years now.  Their
 writing does tend to the Genesis/early Yes side of things
 on Gallery, but live shows feature a lot of Pink Floyd and
 Rush, and King's X, too!
  
  The band has a new guitarist who is much more a hard rock
  player than Rick Ruzga, who was an excellent texturist.
  The new player, Chris Carrol (sp?) brings a harder edge to
  the material, and the new material will definitely reflect that.
   
   Stacey Krejci (keyboards) and I worked through a few ideas
   a couple of months ago, and the band is set to write in the
   immediate future.  There is hope for a concept album.  Whether
   or not any of the stuff I helped on will be included is
   anyone's guess.
    
    FYI (schmooze):  Stacey's keyboard playing is featured on 8 of
    the 9 songs on the soon-to-be-released Farewell to Juliet CD.
    Our stuff tends to the long side, too.  Should be about 55 minutes
    of great music.  Definitely less on the art rock side than
    Animator, but definitely not Amy Grant (God bless her) either!!
     
     For more info on Animator or Farewell to Juliet, e-mail me.
      
      Jeff Elbel
      Farewell to Juliet

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From: cwe34361@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (cE!)
Subject: Why Spectra sucks (gWs & XProp news)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:44:35 GMT


For the second year in a row, Spectra didn't pay Blonde Vinyl for the month
of December (this info is hazy...but they didn't pay them, regardless).  So
Blonde Vinyl had no money to pay Nimbus.  Nimbus, therefore, halted
manufacturing.

Result (one of several):
Don't expect to see the globalWAVEsystem or XPropagation albums until February.


cE! / gWs
My how industrial
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christian Music Dance Clubs
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:34:19 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


I'd have to agree with Noel and Jason that sexual attraction is not a
great way to start a relationship.  Though I don't believe it's the worst
way, either (there are always psychopathic emotional dependencies, for
example).  I've seen great marriages that started from that initial spark.

I think we've got an extremely creative God, and that He has all kinds of
ways to bring couples together.  For the more intense and serious, I
think courting as Noel defined it is often the way to go (it would've
been death for me; I'd have been too intimidated to have ever opened up
and been real).  For some, casual dating can lead to love and commitment.

For me and my fiance, we met as friends with absolutely no romantic
interest initially; it took a year and a half for that to develop.  In
the meantime, neither of us had anything to prove with the other and so
were completely relaxed and real.  We had the sibling-type relationship
Jason spoke of.  We were both pretty amazed when that finally turned
romantic a little over a year ago, and I suspect we'll be even more
amazed when we marry this April.

Back to music (sort of):  I think Christian dance clubs are a fine idea
for folks who enjoy them.  My church occasionally supports outside events
-- a disco night, squaredancing, swing dancing (a big favorite), Scottish
dancing ... I'm all in favor of them.  I don't attend most of them, because
it's not really my thing (I'll make exceptions for the Scottish and swing
dancing, though).  For folks who find them to be a problem, I sympathize. 
For folks who don't, I think they're a good way to meet friends of the
opposite (and same, for that matter) sex.

 
   
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From: scapita@sunserver.nswc.navy.mil (Sam Capitano (N811))
Subject: Steve Taylor and guitars
Reply-To: scapita@sunserver.nswc.navy.mil (Sam Capitano (N811))
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC) Dahlgren, VA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:03:08 GMT


I've been listening quietly to the Steve Taylor discussion, and want to
add something.

I'll have to disagree with those who say all of Steve Taylor's albums
previous to "I
Predict..." have less guitar.  His first release (the 6 song EP entitled
"I Want to be
a Clone") has more prominent (albeit not dominant) guitar work.  It also
has a more
bare-bones feel than some of his other albums.

"Whatever Happened to Sin" has some tight dragstrip guitars that really
give the song 
punch.  The guitar in "I Want to be a Clone" reminds me of Devo, but I
like it alot.
(Although I'm certainly no fan of Devo, I've listened to them with a
twisted sense of
interest in the past).  "Steeplechase" has Steve painting an amusing
picture of church
hopping, again with some interesting techno-style guitar work.  And
"Whatcha Gonna Do
When Your Number's Up" has some really tasty chording in a laid back
groove.  Overall,
there are still some keyboards and saxaphones that Steve likes, but I
feel like their
use is much more restrained than on later albums.  The lyrics are very
insightful (as
usual), as well as cutting--almost too cutting at times (but then, I'm
reading through
Jeremiah now, and it makes me realize all the more how cutting a message
the OT prophets
really carried).  All in all, Steve comes across as the angry young man,
railing against
those that call evil good, and good evil (and with a crack band to
boot).  Another bonus: 
Its available on CD!  

The only other Steve Taylor recording I have (other than "I Predict...")
is "On the 
Fritz" which is a stylistic melange, with many diverse and interesting
songs.  I've
only listened to it two times, but for 2.99 (on tape) it was well worth
it, even just
for "It's a Personal Thing" (an election year favorite) and "To Forgive"
(a beautiful
song about forgiveness, with some strong U2/Big Country-style guitar
work), as well
as "Lifeboat" (must be heard to be believed).

Hope this helps.  Its the least I can do, considering all the musical
guidance this
group (especially Andy) has proffered in the past.  A much belated thank
you.


Sam
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From: petra@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jeanne Sawtelle)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Steve Taylor and CDs
Date: 25 Jan 1993 20:15:17 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1993Jan22.090308@sunserver.nswc.navy.mil> scapita@sunserver.nswc.navy.mil (Sam Capitano (N811)) writes:
[some stuff about Steve Taylor's early releases deleted]

>Its available on CD!  
>
Not really.  According to True Tunes, the only ST thing available now on CD
is "The Best We Could Find (+ Three That Never Escaped)."  That is, ST stuff
released under his own name.

Somebody earlier mentioned Chagall Guevara doing something else (was it with
the Newsboys?).  This is the first I've heard of it... could someone please
explain?

		Jeanne

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