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From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: netstat for Linux?
Organization: Aston University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL241235]
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 11:59:51 GMT

David W. Summers (dws@ineg2.uark.edu) wrote:
: Mike Stramba <stramba@zooid.guild.org> writes:
: 
: >Is there a 'netstat' or equivalent program for linux?
: >
: >Something very simple will do, i.e. showing what sockets have been opened, by
: >whom, what their status is.
: >
: >Mike
: >
: 
: Also it should print out routes, both static and learned.  Also is 'config'
: the same as 'ifconfig' on SUNS?  If so, could we make it also print out
: the ethernet, IP, and broadcast address, etc., like the SUNS do?  I would
: love to know how to do this.....

Being able to inspect and alter the arp cache (as on other machines) would
also be useful.

I guess the reason for not having these nice usefull tools is that Ross
is still working on the code. Thus any changes would break things, ala
ps

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca (kevin fisher U)
Subject: Xfree 1.1 ....
Summary:  stupid trident card...
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:25:20 GMT

Ok, I took everyone's advice and installed Xfree 1.1, everyone telling me it
would rectify the problem of the screen staying blank after exiting X.

Well, it exits X a lot quicker now, but I still have a blank screen...any
ideas?

The docs said that the new Xconfig.sample has some new additions, but it
looked the same as the old Xconfig.

I tried specifying "Chipset "tvga8900" " in the Xconfig file, but X dies
right of the start with a blank screen.


I'm really thinking of ditching this TVGA card...


PLEASE!!! E-MAIL any advice!!!
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: eazye@world.std.com (Robert J Willis)
Subject: problem with minicom 
Keywords: minicom
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:00:09 GMT

I've been having problems with minicom that came with the SLS release
of linux (latest one, got off of tsx-11.mit.edu).  When i try to start
it up, it says something about not running it as root and then does
a core dump.  help!

Also, linux seems to hang whenever i run my computer with the turbo
on, why??  BTW, my computer works fine with dos and Coherent with
or without turbo on.

thanks in advance

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rturkia@cs.joensuu.fi (Riku Turkia)
Subject: Cobol
Organization: University of Joensuu
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:12:34 GMT

Is there Cobol compiler which will work with Linux, source or binary?

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: umpfaif0@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mike Pfaiffer)
Subject: Re: WYSE Terminals and Linux
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 22:48:01 GMT

In <1993Jan09.211139.14560@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> jliddle@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Jean Liddle) writes:

>Recently I have inherited a couple of old WYSE Terminals 

	I was able to get some LINK terminals emulateing wyse50s to connect.

>1.  Copied wyse termcap entries from the SUNs at the University

	I have yet to do this. My university says it's OK.

>2.  Added an entry in inittab for the wyse terminal:
>ttys0:wyse50:/etc/getty 9600 ttys0
>(I also tried ttys0:wyse50:/etc/uugetty ttys0 9600 - with no luck).

	Does the termcaps file you have contain a definition for your
terminals?

>Unfortunately, the terminals have no docs so I'm somewhat in the dark
>as to what to try.

	I know the feeling.

>Any help would be very much appreciated!

	In my inittab file I have used ttys1 and ttys2 (they are both working)
with both my terminals. I also use type dumb (as in the samples provided)
because I haven't got the termcaps file yet. I am using /etc/getty 19200 ttys1
for one and /etc/getty 9600 ttys2 on the other (I plan to change ttys2 to 19200
as well). I don't know if the problem is that you are using ttys0 or not. On
my machine it seems to be ttys1 and ttys2.

	You may want to see if you have to rename your old inittab file after
editing and creating a new one. It took me 10 minutes to realize the system
didn't like the changes.

>Thanks in advance!

	You're welcome in retrospect.

				Later
				Mike





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From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: cannot login at all!!!
Date: 9 Jan 93 17:59:06 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.linux
Organization: DarkTower Software
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Peter Orbaek (poe@daimi.aau.dk) wrote:
: eichin@athena.mit.edu (Mark Eichin) writes:
: 
: >In article <1993Jan8.015410.15298@wuecl.wustl.edu> ppc1@cec2.wustl.edu (Peter Pui Tak Chiu) writes:
: 
: [... problems with mangled /etc/utmp ...]
: 
: It's not a bad idea to have
: 
: 	rm -f /etc/utmp ; touch /etc/utmp
: 
: in ones /etc/rc file.
: 
: 	- Peter.
: -- 
: Peter Orbaek <poe@daimi.aau.dk>
: Hasle Ringvej 122, DK-8200 Aarhus N, DENMARK

Kill this thread, guys.  It's being cross-posted to comp.os.coherent. 
This reply will only go to comp.os.linux.

Thanks!

-Louis

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From: djm@eng.umd.edu (David J. MacKenzie)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: BUG of feature: cannot move `foo' accross file systems
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:11:15 GMT
	<1993Jan3.205523.23937@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
	<1993Jan3.214155.25253@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
	<1993Jan5.100758.21535@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland

>   So, would it be The Right Thing to modify GNU mv?

Yeah, it's just a deficiency in GNU mv.  POSIX.2 says that mv should
basically do "cp -R" and remove the source files.  POSIX requires mv
to move whole directory trees across filesystems, not just symlinks!
To do that, I want to make the guts of GNU cp into a module that both
cp and mv can call.  But that's a nontrivial amount of work that's
never gotten important enough for me to do.
From: ig25@fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Has anyone installed the ftape QIC 80 driver?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 09:52:07 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Reply-To: ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de

I'll try to install ftape 1.02, the alpha - stage QIC 80 tape driver,
later this week, and report on my experiences.  I'm just wondering
wether anyone has already done so and what experiences they've had.

Happy hacking
-- 
Thomas Koenig, ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de, ig25@dkauni2.bitnet
The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic
diagram.
From: chet@odin.ins.cwru.edu (Chet Ramey)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: BSD C Shell for Linux
Date: 8 Jan 1993 18:45:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: odin.ins.cwru.edu
Keywords: csh, bsd, shell

In article <1993Jan8.152644.21983@klaava.Helsinki.FI> rchen@sfu.ca (Robert Chen) writes:

>- Good man page included. (I wish bash had this)

Is it that you're dissatisfied with the bash manual page, or that the
man page is not distributed with the system?

If it's the latter, you can FTP the manual page for bash 1.12 from
slc2.ins.cwru.edu (129.22.8.104) in ~ftp/pub/bash/bash.1.

Chet
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: bmyers@shyguy.lonestar.org (bob myers)
Subject: Re: Pentium P5 (586) vs. i486 upgradable socket?
Organization: 3-B Technology
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 11:47:21 GMT


One thing to keep in mind; on some of the 486 motherboards, the open socket
is for a Weitek coprocessor chip.  (I believe that the feeling was that 
Weitek had a faster number cruncher than the 486's internal).

-bob
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From: Kyle.Hearn@f504.n130.z1.fidonet.org (Kyle Hearn)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: getting linux
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 04:10:02 -0800

I am trying to get a copy of linux and would download it from the
internet except the telephone number I can access is 2400bps. That along
with kermit would kill me. Could someone tell me how I can get a copy
without downloading from the net?

Thanks
KH


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From: ig25@fg30.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: exec problem
Date: 4 Jan 1993 12:56:18 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Reply-To: ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: fg30.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de

The family of exec calls does not work for self - compiled programs
on my machine (486, 0.99pl1, 4.1 jump libraries from SLS 0.98pl5).

Doing a

	execlp("ls","ls",(char *) NULL)

results in the program dying mysteriously; when I run it under gdb, gdb
catches trace signal (SIGTRAP, number 5). If I continue the program,
it does what's intended.
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The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic
diagram.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: andrewc@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew J. Cosgriff !)
Subject: Re: [FIX] PS FIX FOR 99p2 !!!
Keywords: ps fix 99 p2
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:51:12 GMT

rcopg@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Paul Gortmaker) writes:

>	Okay, it seems that the /proc based ps is the way to go. But what about
>stuff like "top". Is it in the works for a /proc based version ??? Or will it
>be okay with the previously posted patch? (Which BTW, I haven't tried yet... 
>I'll brave it this afternoon.)

No, that's why (among other reasons) it's in the BETA / ALPHA directory (depends
where you go) at the FTP sites...Sure, if I knew enough about ps/top/proc-fs
I'd do it myself, but, well, i don't...Perhaps it's time to learn...

>	Just out of curiousity, are there any drawbacks to using the /proc 
>based stuff???

You'll probably get very confused trying to look at the /proc/self dir. :)
As you said, top, w, etc. aren't done yet, but hang in there I'd expect...

Enjoy !

Cos !
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rsocia@alberti.cray.com (Rick Socia)
Subject: Help with joining channel
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 4 Jan 93 12:54:17 CST

I sent the following email:

To: linux-activists-request@niksula.hut.fi
Subject: X-Mn-Admin: join SCSI

And I got back:

From: "Mail-Net server request handler" <linux-activists-request@Niksula.hut.fi>
To: rsocia@alberti.cray.com
Subject: No known channel name given
Message-Id: <93Jan4.204719eet.61865-8@niksula.hut.fi>
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:47:17 +0200
Status: R


You tried to send mail to a non-existing channel.

By sending mail to:
	linux-activists-request@niksula.hut.fi
it's possible to get information how to use Mail-Net.



Ok, I am ingorant about Mail-net.  Would some kind soul point me in the right
direction?


Rick Socia
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: df@eyrie.demon.co.uk (Derek Fawcus)
Subject: Re: X-windows & aliases
Reply-To: df@eyrie.demon.co.uk
Distribution: world
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.30 $
Organization: None
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:37:32 +0000

In article <1ilme1INN8p3@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> probreak@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (James Michael Chacon) writes:
> john.will@satalink.com (John Will) writes:
> 
> >Can anyone tell me how you get your aliases that appear in .profile to
> >be recognized when you're running X-Windows?  I have X running like a
> >champ, but it's a problem to be without all the aliases that I know
> >and love. :-)  I have the same problem with .emacs, it doesn't seem
> >to find that either.  This must be really simple, I just can't fine
> >the answer in any of my books or the FAQ.
> 
> According to the bash man page, .profile is only sourced if you are coming
> in from a login shell. I believe you can tell xterm to use the -ls option
> to simulate a login shell. 
> 
> Or, you can invoke bash with the -login option.

Or better yet, places your aliases in your .bashrc file. You may need to
source this from .profile (as I can't remember at the moment).

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Taylor UUCP: I'm receiving, but send ;-(
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:43:15 GMT

Get taylor-uucp from mailpak-1.4 (on sunsite).  This problem, as well as many
others, is fixed in that release.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jeremi@ee.ualberta.ca (William Jeremiah)
Subject: Re: Xconfig
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:19:03 GMT

Mark.Woolfson@f1.n2250.z1.fidonet.org (Mark Woolfson) writes:
> Does anyone out there have an Xconfig for an ATI VGA Wonder XL card.  My
> 
> mouse is not working and I can't do a damn thing when I get a good 
> screen.
> 
It's about time someone had a problem that I could use an answer to also.
I can't start X because I says my mouse is an unknown device.  But Linux
sees it on bootup.  I have a ATI wonder XL24 and am using the bus mouse
attached to the card.  I never get any screen at all, just an error about
not being able to access the core devices because of an unknown mouse device.

Help !

Jerry

> 
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> (1:2250/1.0)
> 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: paula@bronte.boeing.com (Paul Allen)
Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: linux FAQ in LaTeX
Keywords: Linux FAQ, LaTeX
Organization: Boeing Computer Services R&T
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 06:35:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.152647.22034@klaava.Helsinki.FI> jflores@dcc.uchile.cl (Pepe Flores Peters) writes:
>
>I have uploaded to tsx-11.mit.edu the source code in LaTeX and 
>dvi file of Linux FAQ.      
>
>It's the most  beautiful  FAQ I've ever seen :).

I realize that the human-readable version of the FAQ is still available,
and this isn't a flame at Pepe.  His post is just the little nudge that
has pushed me over the edge.

Could we please refrain from encrypting (with LaTeX, or whatever) documents
that don't need to be pretty?  Things like the FAQ, or software installation
instructions, are most useful if all you need to do to read them is look
at them.  Significant infrastructure is required to deal with LaTeX, and
not all of us are interested in making that investment.

Lilo is a wonderful piece of software, but I'm probably not using it to
full advantage because I cannot read the documentation.  I may install
LaTeX someday just because of Lilo.  It will not be soon, however, because
the few hours a week I can spend playing with Linux are quite precious
and I do not throw them away lightly.

The GNU people are really bad about distributing most of their documentation
in texinfo format and then saying "Well, just use emacs!".  Fortunately,
they also provide the texi2roff program to decrypt the texinfo stuff into
a more widely useable format.  Is there a similar decrypter for LaTeX that
doesn't require a full-up LaTeX installation?

Sorry for being such a grouch, and thanks for listening.

Paul Allen
paul.allen@atc.boeing.com



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From: rapatel@theophilus.rutgers.edu ( Rakesh Patel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: CMU's Andrew multimedia System on Linux ??
Date: 11 Jan 93 07:34:44 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

dhliu@solar.csie.ntu.edu.tw (Der-Hua Liu) writes:


>   CMU's Andrew System ( not the AFS) is a great multimedia System under X11.
>There is a multimedia editor called 'ez', which you can put
>text(variable fonts), pictures, animation, sound and math formulas, etc in a
>single file.  It also has libraries to help programmers write their own system.
>It would be a great job to port such system to Linux.
>(including Sound Blaster card support, if possible)

>Is anyone doing this great job ?    I don't have enough disk space to do it.
>For those insterested in Andrew Sys, you can get it from anonymous ftp

I've been thinking about doing it, but given my current time
limitations it will be a long time before I'll be able to work on it.

I use messages, so ideally, I'd like to have NFS access over SLIP to
access my mail and folders while running messages locally.  It is a real
protocol pig, so running it remotely over 9600 baud SLIP through ka9q
is very painful.  NFS with a local copy of messages should be much faster.
I do however have enough disk space. 

Rakesh Patel.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: vince@victrola.sea.wa.us (Vince Skahan)
Subject: Re: SLS4 UUCP/SMAIL Questions
Organization: Vince and Suzie's Underpowered PC
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 05:28:42 GMT

lp@shlink.hanse.de (Lutz Petersen) writes:

>Im Artikel <LFFTwB1w165w@wefunk.rent.com> schreibt ludwig@wefunk.rent.com (Mitchel F. Ludwig):
>> 
>> name is softland.mysubdomain.domain.  Now, I figure I can change the
>> softland part using the hostname command in an RC file, but how do I
>> change the .mysubdomain.domain stuff to work with my domain stuff

> The best would be to recompile SMail. A lot of things are compiled
> in the Stuff. Another way would be to read the SMail-docs and create
> the right config-Files.

edit your /usr/local/lib/smail/config file.
===========================================
visible_name=myrealhostname.myrealdomain

(recompilation is NOT needed).

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: andrewc@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew J. Cosgriff !)
Subject: Re: making file system (quick)
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 08:30:13 GMT

ppc1@cec2.wustl.edu (Peter Pui Tak Chiu) writes:

>hi everyone,

>i am trying to install linux.

>i tried to make file system but it doesn't work.

>i have a 110MB harddisk and i use the whole thing as one partition for LINUX

>then i did: mkfs /dev/hda1 147700 (something like that)

>and it said that the limit of the number of blocks is 65535.

Yep, that's right. You haven't read the FAQ either, have you ?

Go and get it, and see what it says about the Extended Filesystem...
(just a hint)

Either that or have multiple partitions...

Happy Adventuring !

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: nnhut@bnr.ca (Nhut Nguyen)
Subject: Ctl-Atl-Del and Linux 0.99 patchlevel 2.
Keywords: 0.99l2 reboot
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:14:02 GMT

Happy New Year to all of you Linuxers!

I just compiled the newest Linux 0.99 patch level 2 without any problem.
However, when I want to reboot, Ctl-Alt-Del does not work anymore. I have
to push the RESET button to reboot. This happens with the new patch level
2 only. Is there any new change that disables this key combination ? And 
how to make it work again ? I am using the default settings for US keyboad
in the Makefile.

BTW, I have a 486/33 with an OPTi chipset.

Thanks and happy Linuxing....
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: kfogel@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Karl Fogel)
Subject: Problems when I tried to add RAM for X... help?
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:44:51 GMT
Distribution: comp.os.linux
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


	Once before I tried to go from 4 megs of RAM to 8 (to speed up
X under Linux, and to speed up compilations...). After I did this
(added 4 more 1 meg SIMMS), X would hang and every sync dumped a core
in the /dev directory. Otherwise everything else worked. So I took out
the four new SIMMS, and X was still broken! In the end I had to
completely wipe Linux from my hard drive and start from scratch. I
stayed with 4 megs until I had everything working again. Now X works
again, as does sync, but I am leery of adding another 4 megs of RAM to
go to 8, although I now have the money to try again.
	Does anyone know of a problem that might show up if I add some
more RAM, or was this whole thing very likely a fluke? If you have
successfully added RAM without affecting Linux adversely, I would love
to hear from you! I will probably give it a shot, even though I risk
losing my X again, but would love to have some feedback before I do.
Do I need to change anything in /dev when I add RAM, or recompile the
kernel, or something?

Thanks,

-karl


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