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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: mega ste price
From: Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:12:52 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <1992Apr15.182107.13520@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aq115@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert C Glover) writes:
> 
> Mr. Sheppard, this is the last time I will respond to your flaming,
> childish, demeaning statements.
>  
> First of all, all the programs I listed are still being supported,
> perhaps with the exception of VIP Professional.  Flash II IS indeed
> out, and has been for over two weeks.  If you read the BB on GEnie,
> you'd know it.  STalker is about to be upgraded to version 3.02,
> and NeoDesk 4.0 is in the works.  I'm on GEnie EVERY night, so I
> know these things.  My facts are straight, and you are terribly
> misinformed, or you are too arrogant to care.
>  
> You obviously don't have anything better to do than to harrass us,
> and frankly, we're sick of it.  Go get your PC, sell your Atari,
> or throw it out, as it seems that's what you'd like to do.  QUit
> making these ludicrous, unfounded statements.
>  
> Stick that in your PC and smoke it.
> -- 
> | Robert Glover                               GEnie:  R.GLOVER3 |
> | Internet:           rg@turing.acs.virginia.edu                |
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What has bean stated about Flash II and what realy happends are too different
things, I have many time ordered software from good USA firms, but to
find that it took some 6 months to get, they never stated a real
shipping date, if you noticed from the Flash II text they are taking orders,
they don't state when they will be shipping at all..

I have a lot of friends here that are still waiting for there Supra
modems that they ordered some months ago..

I live by Facts not Fiction...!!!

Believe half of what you read and nothing of what you hear...!!

This is worth thinging about..
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From: bright@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Bob Bright)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Word Processors
Keywords: word processor dtp
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:58:06 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

In article <1992Apr14.102756.10825@beaver.cs.washington.edu> bgilbert@cs.washington.edu (Benjamin Gilbert) writes:
>favorable.  One point you mentioned was Postscript-to-disk ability... this
>seems like a strange function for a word processor, seems like if you
>want postscript you *DO* want a Desktop Publishing program (Pagestream would
>do this for you).  For all I know, Wordflair II might do this but I don't
>know one way or the other?  I don't think this is a common word 
>processor function, on other computers either, although like I alluded to,
>Wordflair II is much more than a simple word processor.

Actually, some kind of Postscript support is pretty much standard for
all decent word processors on all platforms.  The usual method is to
send a chunk of Postscript code to the printer to cause it to emulate
a microspace printer.  Then the word processor simply outputs using
its ordinary routines for printing proportional fonts on a microspace
printer.  This is the method used by Microsoft Word, e.g., and by Word
Perfect (all versions, including the Atari one).

I've been considering Wordflair II since WPCorp dropped their Atari
support, but I definitely need Postscript output.  Does anyone know
whether Wordflair provides it?

BBB
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From: neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: HELP !!! FRANKIE-Virus and ALADIN
Date: 13 Apr 92 08:22:18 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Apr11.161428.3830@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> brayl@isis.cs.du.edu
(Bill Rayl) writes:
>There is a collection of virus utilities called Hospital from programmers
>in the UK. ...

Naw, it's just little old me.

>...  In it, there is a file called Watcher.  This file sits in your
>auto folder and checks each time you put a disk in to see if it has
>an executable boot sector.  If it does, Watcher flashes the screen.

Only if the disk is executable AND has a virus. I prefer to use Vaccine
instead of Watcher these days.

>This program has saved us several times at AIM headquarters. :)

I'm glad to see it doing good work. It's saved my ST lab on many occasions too.

>               Pattie Rayl (Atari Interface)


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: oddjob@oz.plymouth.edu (Andrew C. Stoffel)
Subject: Names/Phone #'s for Atari dealers ???
Reply-To: oddjob@oz.plymouth.edu (Andrew C. Stoffel)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 03:16:55 GMT


My 1040STf (TOS 1.2) finally gave up the ghost......  it finally had
enough of the Zubair 3D/4 meg upgrade I put in last fall and refuses
to boot (with or without the upgrade board (which had only 2 meg on
it.)) Oh well.......

So I'm without an ST (One that is fully functioning anyway.... I have
an older 1040STf that has a bad DMA port but is fine for floppy based
operations (ie. games and as a terminal)

WHat I need are the phone numbers for Atari dealers who stock CHEAP
ST's [I'm on a limited budget]

Requirements: 	- CHEAP !!!!! (relatively speaking)
		- 4 meg RAM (Need it for TeX and Minix)
		- No monitor (Have two already...)
		- No HD (already have a Toad/ICD 85meg external
		- Mouse not necessary (I have a spare)
		- Did I mention cheap ???

Several pple mentioned what seemed like REAL cheap prices in the past
two weeks for STe's..... care to repeat ?

-Email preferred.... thanx

-Andy-
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From: healy@cod.NOSC.MIL (Mike Healy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: ST Port of Keynote
Keywords: Keynote
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:25:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: cod.3762
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego


If there are any Keynote users on this group, you may find the
following of interest:


##### Forwarded from the Keynote mailing list (keynote@blink.att.com) #####
From: tjt (Tim Thompson)
Subject: Atari ST version of Keynote

The Atari ST version of Keynote 4.7c is in a somewhat usable state
(minor nits, but no known major problems).  This includes full graphic
support.  Many thanks to Mike Healy for his persistent and excellent
efforts on the port!  If you have access to the source/executable area of
the Keynote archive server (e.g. if you've purchased it), you can retrieve
this alpha/beta/whatever version by requesting the file "key47cst.cpio.Z",
which is a compressed cpio containing the binary and library files.
Might need a little work to set it up (moving things into their proper
places) - email me any questions.    ...Tim...tjt@blink.att.com...


Mike Healy

healy@cod.nosc.mil
From: hrs@aber.ac.uk (Herbert Martin Sauro)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Arabesque
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:15:23 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

I show someone mentioned Arabesque. As far as drawing packages go (i.e not
painting ones) has anybody had any experiences with it? I am particularly
looking for something that can draw arrows on the ends of arbitrary curves.



Herb


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: wagg@zellweger.ch (Georg Wagner)
Subject: Re: TOS 2.06 Upgrade in ST, Easy??
Reply-To: wagg@zellweger.CH (Georg Wagner)
Organization: Zellweger Uster AG, Switzerland
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 06:47:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.183459.5924@mdd.comm.mot.comFriedrich> friedric@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bernd Friedrich) writes:
Friedrich>Has anybody out there installed the TEC 2.06 upgrade in a circa '88 ST?
Friedrich>
Friedrich>I'm considering the upgrade, and can handle a soldering iron, but would
Friedrich>like to stay away from desoldering any chips.
Friedrich>
Friedrich>How difficult is the upgrade installation?
Friedrich>
Friedrich>Are the instruction easy to follow?  What about the option to switch back
Friedrich>to older TOS? Is this an additional installation.
Friedrich>
Friedrich>Any comments would be greatly appreciated.  
Yesterday I installed the TOS Expansion Board from Hard & Soft in Germany.
If you have your CPU already socketed you can put this card under the CPU.
There a three soldering points, two to the old CE-Pin of the old ROM's
(you have to draw them out of the socket) and one on the CE-pin of
one of ROM sockets. You can switch without any problems between the two
ROM-Versions. If you don't have you CPU socketed you may solder the board
on top of your CPU or use the so called speed bridge for connecting the
board via the mega bus. 

I' ve seen ads of artifex the german distributor of the TEC. They also have
new versions of the TEC for soldering on top of a CPU or for the mega bus.

Hope that helps
Georg
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: C for the ST
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:38:56 GMT

krschimm@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu writes:
: Is there a public domain C compile for the ST
: and what is the best C compiler for the st?

My $0.02:

GNU's gcc would be nice, if you have *tons* of memory -- it
won't work in 1Meg. In fact, none of their stuff seems to 
work in 1 Meg except for gawk. (If I had that much memory,
I'd rather have a Sun or something :))

Sozobon C (is version 2.0 the up-to-the-minute latest?) is
really nice, and since it's free you can't complain!

(I also have Laser C, which is not free but is very nice too.
It allows the "asm { }" block instead of asm(" ") in sozobon.)

Scott
From: adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: GEMULATOR (WAS RE: SUDDEN VIEW VS.
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:43:13 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.151539.15944@imada.ou.dk> micro@imada.ou.dk (Klaus  
Pedersen) writes:
> hrs@aber.ac.uk (Herbert Martin Sauro) writes:
> 
> >Yes, but at least the GEMulator + 386 PC will be cheaper than a TT,
> >maybe even cheaper than a MegaSTe?
> 
> You want to justify the cost of the emulator by comparing it to a TT??
> fyi: the emulator runs slower than your out of the box ST,
>      the TT runs 5-7 times faster than a ST, and aprox 500 times faster 
>      on floating point...
>  
> 

Actually, according to Derek Michocka (whatever...the author), on a  
386/33, the Gemulator will run a little faster than a standard STe.  On a  
486/33, it should run about twice as fast.  On whatever comes next, it's  
speed will increase accordingly.  Not only that, but you can actually  
multitask with it running.  You can have Gemulator running as a full  
screen DOS session under Windows or OS/2 and switch between it and other  
DOS/Windows/OS/2 apps.  Another cool thing is that Darek was hinting  
towards the fact that it will actually run Spectre 3.0!  So we'll have  
Mac, ST and PC in one box.

My question is whether it will support an aftermarket sound board like  
Soundblaster Pro to emulate the STe sound...

					- Al
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: tbrown@trout.cis.ohio-state.edu (Ted Brown)
Subject: Re: ACE'92 show: Report
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:04:07 GMT

In article <92095.191851EENG6801@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> Carlos Varela <EENG6801@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes:
>Today I attended the ATARI CANADIAN EXPOSITION'92.
>The two products that impressed me the most were GEMulator & MultiTOS.
>

>GEMulator:
>
>  This was a very nice program running under windows. It was running
>on a 486/33MHz. I saw many packages running on it without problems.
>I tested German To English v1.9 and it run with the same speed as on my
>1040ST. The screen was slow. It was redrawn 5 times a second. That's
>because the memory has to be copied from RAM to the VGA card. Disk
>access was also slow. The program comes with a card that lets you
>install ROMs (There is a possible making it work as MAC as well??, I
>didn't get very clear on this.) It handled my twist 800Kb disk
>without problems. Darek said that this was just a preliminary version
>and that the final version should be as fast as a MEGA STE (16MHz).
>With 486/50MHz and 486/66MHz and 586 coming out soon, higher speeds
>will be possible. It supports 4096 colors of the STE + STE resolutions.
>

Why would I want to pay more than the cost of at TT to run programs just
as fast as a ST?  I surely hope that it runs better than his Atari 8-bit
emulator "runs".  Let's just say I don't have much faith in it actually
running as fast as an ST let alone a Mega STE.  Well maybe the video 
problems will be solved by the new graphic excellorators comming out from
DELL and Compaq y'know the ones which will allow them to actually run
NeXTPC in color and Windows at a speed faster than a slow crawl. (but the board
has to be designed to run them, you just can't add one on the bus, the bus *is*
the problem  If the thing can't run Windows fast, it can't emulate a ST fast. 
That pretty much leaves out *any* Intel box including the 50 Mhz 486.

Hey, it might be a dream to have NeXTStep running on a Falcon, but I still 
think Gemulator is even more-so.

If I want an ST/TT I will buy one.  If I want an IBM (why?) I will buy one.
The only emulator that I have seen that even worked halfway well is Spectre!
Dave Small is at least a competent hardware and software man.  Darek is just
another Microsoft-lacky.
From: chan@pyramid.unr.edu (Kaho Chan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: TOS 2.06 for the MegaSTe
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:06:36 GMT
Followup-To: chan@cs.unr.edu (Kaho Chan)
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno

Hello, out there!

With all the talk about TOS 2.06 and the TEC board, there's no word about
an upgrade for the first MegaSTe's that came out with TOS 2.05 (possibly
earlier TT's too).  The TEC board is for the ST, and STe.

Is Atari offering this?  Do I need to  order from them?
Is TEC designing something for the MegaSTe?

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From: exuhag@exu.ericsson.se (James Hague)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: New rumor about Atari Falcon and NeXT
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:16:21 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Richardson, TX

Some relatively subdued comments amid the hype and flames:

* Remember that Atari Corp. has track record of not coming
through on their promises or finally delivering on them
way too late.

* The hardware of the so-called Falcon is not nearly as
important as the software.  If people could have a solid
little machine that ran the applications they needed without
having to learn all sorts of arcana, then they would be
happy.

* NeXT step is one of those issues that doesn't matter.
Sort of like the myth that all video game system owners
want to upgrade to computers and the fabled checkbook
management and recipe database programs.  It sure doesn't
sound like Atari is going after the workstation market,
especially if a trimmed down Falcon will be marketed
as a game system.

* The price had better be damn low on whatever computer
they finally release.  The STs big advantage in 1985/86
was that it undercut everyone else in terms of price.
That advantage only lasted about two years though.  Let's
say the Falcon checks in at an unbelievable $1000 including
color monitor.  That's still not low enough to drag people
away from well-supported machines with lots of available
software.

--
James Hague   
exuhag@exu.ericsson.se
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: tbrown@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu (Ted Brown)
Subject: Re: Rumours about new releases....
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:26:18 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.231555.30704@introl.introl.com> pete@introl.introl.com (Pete Ikusz) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.123935.27069@decuk.uvo.dec.com> arendi@loke.soo.dec.com writes:
>>
>>	3. The new series, no name, will be called home computers
>>	     and replace 520 and 1040 but will have a up to 60 MIPS 
>>	     performance.
>
>Ummm. 60? Maybe if it's running at 400 MHz. (assuming a 020 @ 20MHz is around
>3ish MIPS) They should have it competeing with DEC's Alpha!

Actually I don't think they are talking about the 680x0 line, but maybe a 
RISC chip.  The 60 MIPS sounds like the MIPS R4000 or the Motorolla 88110.
But Atari producing a RISC computer sounds about as weird as a 020 at 400 Mhz!
How much do those chips cost apiece anyway?  I just don't see Atari producing
a $5000 computer.  Well that's what *I* thought when I saw the 60 MIPS.

Ted Brown
From: ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Gerald Greenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Best sound digitizer package?
Keywords: sound, digitize
Date: 11 Apr 92 15:20:26 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY

I was wondering what you all would recommend as the best
available sound digitizing hardware/software package that
would let me record speaking from a cassette tape onto hard
disk, and then eventually let me transfer it to a resource
fork on the Mac platform.
Thanks very much in advance.
--Gerry
ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: ant@mks.com (Anthony Howe)
Subject: GEMulator
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:56:12 GMT


I've seen it!!!!  GEMulator is real.

I was visiting my local computer store on Friday here in Waterloo, when I 
saw Darek there preparing a machine with GEMulator for a Toronto Atari
Show this past week-end.

The GEMulator ran under windows on a 486 machine.  He had some commerial
ROM board plugged in that had TOS 1.4 on it.  He showed it running under
all three resolutions on the one machine using the clone's colour monitor.
He also showed some software like Laser C working and assorted other
material.  He even commented that some (NOT all) protected software would
run under the emulator (I did not get any titles but I suspect any
protected software that does NOT change the disk step-speed would work).
All that seems to be missing is hard disk support, which is forth coming.

I was not at the Toronto show, but he's intent was to show the public that
at least a 386 in flat-memory mode, could in fact emulate an Atari ST.
I know not about an STE or TT.  For his demo he used a 33Mhz 486 with 
4Mb of memory (I think).  If the response from the show is favourable
he'll begin taking orders in the near future else he begin work on other
projects.

-- 
ant@mks.com                                                   Anthony C Howe 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: petav@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Peter Averkamp)
Subject: Re: More info on GEMulator please!
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:30:56 GMT

darekm@microsoft.com (Darek MIHOCKA) writes:
>some of what I said at the show:

 ... stuff deleted ...

>Gemulator uses a plug in card to hold the ST's TOS chips. This way you
>can plug in ANY version of TOS (from 1.0 to 2.06) into your PC. If you
>plan to use Gemulator on a laptop, just make sure you get one that has
>a card slot built in or a docking station option.


>- Darek

I assume that this clumsy hardware solution is to prevent some
jerk from the company get a lawyer and sue anybody for copyright 
violation, right ? If you've got the ROM's you've bought a machine, Ha!
Now, while i understand that this is comfortable if not necessary 
these days, I find it totally uncomfortable to install & use. It
not only opens doors for incompatibility but also closes doors to
PC's with other than ISA or no bus architectures. Imagine: a workstation
can run SoftPC, A PC can run GEmulator, soooo.....Ok too slow, I know!

So, Darek, don't you expect an (totally illegal, of course) hack
of Gemulator that's software only ? Or will this be an obtaineable
option, like "show me your atari licence plate and send in the 
DMA/GLUE/MMU-chip to obtain your personal numbered copy of Gemulator" ?


You wrote:
>If you
>plan to use Gemulator on a laptop, just make sure you get one that has
>a card slot built in or a docking station option.

Oh, no! You don,t really mean that! Carry a docking station around ? Hmmmm.
So one of the real big advantages of Gemulator, to get a realy useable
atari-compatible notebook, remains - a dream. Please nobody suggest here
the St-book; i've seen it; it's the usual junk: no floppy, but an
unreadeable display, no mouse port, but also no monitor port (:-{puke})-.

- Peter - (a little upset)

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