HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wimcdaid@nmsu.edu (Liam McDaid)
Subject: Re: Nov 3rd NOVA on pyramids
Originator: wimcdaid@dante
Keywords: Pyramids
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:31:32 GMT

	I remember reading in OMNI years ago about a unique method
of moving the blocks, although I don't know if its been tried.
	The method involved cutting large thick wheels that sort
of fit over the ends of the blocks.  The block could then be wheeled
wherever.  If the wheels were cut so that the corners of the block
almost reached the edge of the wheel, the wheels could be taken on 
and off relatively easily.
	Same argument for getting them up and around corners.  
Getting them all the way to the top would still be challenging,
though.

					-Liam McDaid
From: stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Re: Nov 3rd NOVA on pyramids
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:32:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.034409.28555@cs.wisc.edu>, ayoub@globey.cs.wisc.edu (Nabil Ayoub) writes:
> conducting the study made this statement: According to tradition, the external
> layer of stone on the surface of the Pyramids were stripped in the Middle
> Ages to build some other monuments. Are there any studies that prove or
> disprove this statement ? Or could it just be just the weather factor that
> stripped off this layer? If so then why there still remains some of this
> coating on the top of the second Pyramid? Would not it be more logical that
> *if* it was the weather, then the coating on the top would be the first to
> deteriorate ? I appreciate all responses.

The facing stone for the pyramids was not a "coating".  It was an additional
layer of higher quality stone laid on top of the pyramid to make its appearance
more "dazzling".  These blocks were somwhat smaller than those used
for the main mass, so being both attractive and easy to remove, were
carried off ofr other construction.  The remaining facing at the top of the
one pyramid simply was too much trouble to remove, being so high up the
side of the pyramid.


--
Richard Stead
Center for Seismic Studies
Arlington, VA
stead@seismo.css.gov
From: woody@knapper.cactus.org (Woody Baker)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: wheeled blocks
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:59:48 GMT
Reply-To: "Woody Baker" <woody@knapper.cactus.org>
Organization: Aurora Contracting
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Seems like I remember that a couple of the items from king Tut's tomb
were rather cryptic sort of things made up of a circle of wood that had
been cut in such a way, that when you placed the two of them together, they
formed a disk, with a large square hole in the middle.  Basicaly this
is sort of a wheel for a square block.  Am I recalling correctly?
Cheers
Woody
-- 
Woody Baker Postscript consultant/Flint knapper  512-837-8317 (Austin, Tx)

"If you ain't bleedin' you ain't knappin'" ---> go ahead, ask me...

woody@knapper.cactus.org
woody@chinacat.unicom.com (temporary) is forwareded to woody@knapper
From: mt90dac@brunel.ac.uk (Del Cotter)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Re: Druid Prince
Keywords: Boadicea, Druid Prince
Date: 10 Nov 92 12:13:28 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK

In article <BxBzpw.HKq@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> linda ream fox writes:
>
>Re: Life and Death of A Druid Prince.
>
>  As fiction it is marvelous, as research it makes great fiction. 
>  [snip]
>  I'd avoid the book.
>
I think that recommendation's a bit harsh.  It *is* great fun to read, just
as long as you don't take it seriously.  See my summarised discussion with
A.T. Fear elswhere in this thread.


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Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
From: tomp@toto.cis (Thomas Plunkett)
Subject: Anthropology/Archaeology Gopher server
Reply-To: tomp@toto.cis
Organization: Yale University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 02:06:55 GMT


Hi -

I would like to place this proposal out on the net to see what reaction I 
may get.  I am setting up a Gopher server that is to be dedicated to 
Anthropology/Archaeology as a news network/information storage retrieval
system.  I am "donating" time to this and would like to see who in network
land would be interested in adding articles, providing suggestions, and possibly
even aiding the admin effort.  This is going to be a public server and as such
I would hope everyone would be interested in it as a place to 
drop articles, etc. etc. etc.   Send mail to me directly, and I will post
the suggestions made, and will hopefully have the server up and running within 
a week!


Is this information strange to you?  Or do you not know what gopher is?  Send
email to me and I will provide the info.

_______________________________________________________________________________

Thomas Plunkett                                    This is a dream dreaming us.
Systems Programmer
Yale University
tom_plunkett@yale.edu	

University of Connecticut
Department of Anthropology
From: odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Re: paleontology
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:15:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov10.231525.3622
Distribution: sci
Organization: The Stuffed Animal Trauma Team  (We're Trained Professionals)

In article <199210.2222.2420@dosgate> "alan latta" <alan.latta@canrem.com> writes:
>1) paleontology isn't archaeology and shouldn't go on this conference.

  Agreed.  However:

  Where should it go?  There is no sci.paleontology... (Yet, anyway...)
  The person posting in the first place mentioned that sci.archaeology was
  picked because it was the closest news.group there is.
-- 
 --------------------------------- Iain Odlin ---------------------------------
                  10 Crosby Street, Level 3, Portland ME 04103
                                 odlin@reed.edu
  When I was young, I was told anyone could be president.  Now I *believe* it.
From: caenmorr@skinnypuppy.engin.umich.edu (Ted W Morrison)
Subject: Grad Schools???
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 10:24:42 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: caenmorr@skinnypuppy.engin.umich.edu


	Hi.  I'm posting this for a friend of mine who doesn't 
have access to the nets.  She would like to know if anyone has any
suggestions for graduate schools in underwater/nautical/maritime
archaeology.  The only two places that she has heard about so far
are Texas A&M, and Indiana, and would like to know if anyone else has
any suggestions as to which schools she should apply to.  Any thoughts on
this would be extremely helpful.  
				Thanx.
From: small@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Peter Small)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Re: Nov 3rd NOVA on pyramids
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:46:05 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <1992Nov6.034409.28555@cs.wisc.edu> ayoub@globey.cs.wisc.edu (Nabil Ayoub) writes:
>I have a quick question for the experts here:  In this program, the professor
>conducting the study made this statement: According to tradition, the external
>layer of stone on the surface of the Pyramids were stripped in the Middle
>Ages to build some other monuments. Are there any studies that prove or
>disprove this statement ? Or could it just be just the weather factor that
>stripped off this layer? If so then why there still remains some of this
>coating on the top of the second Pyramid? Would not it be more logical that
>*if* it was the weather, then the coating on the top would be the first to
>deteriorate ? I appreciate all responses.

In the middle ages (12th - 13th century?)  the fine limestone facing of the
pyramids were removed to rebuild Cairo after an earthquake had destroyed
many of the buildings there.  Many of these blocks are now part of the
grand mosque there.

The question that I wonder about the pyramids is Why were they built?

The name suggests something - PYR AMID - Fire in the middle.

If they were just for tombs, then why build them so exactly aligned to
the polar axis?  Why were no mummies found in them?  And more to the
line of this inquiry, how is it that they have stood  for over 4500 year
and yet are still level and alligned with the poles and the Nile Delta?

Some how, the idea of a bunch of men in loin clothes hauling blocks of
limestone over greased ramps doesn't seem to fit the technology inherent
in the building of these structures.  Much of the building technique
cannot be reproduced today, including its accurate alignment.

Much to look into here.

PS

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Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
From: "alan latta" <alan.latta@canrem.com>
Subject: paleontology
Reply-To: "alan latta" <alan.latta@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: sci
Date: 10 Nov 92 08:38:56 EST

To: mary.jane@execnet.com

A note from my wife who's a professor of archaeology:

"Hi! Glad you are enjoying the palaeontology of New York state. Actually
this is a good environment for small finds.  Contact your local museum
to find an address for the New York State Archaeological or Palae-
ontological Association and meet some more nice people.

Two small quibbles: 1) palaeontology isn't archaeology and shouldn't go
on this conference.  And 2) whoever told you that your fossil had been
carbon-dated was fibbing -- radiocarbon isn't possible earlier than
about 70,000 years ago and isn't really reliable for much more than
30,000 years. In any case, fossils don't usually have any original
carbon left to date.

Best luck"

    Alan Latta          Toronto, Canada
    E-mail: alan.latta@canrem.com
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Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
From: nickerso@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca (Kent Nickerson)
Subject: An idea for transporting pyramid blocks
Organization: Communications Research Laboratory, McMaster Univ
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:19:32 GMT

I've seen a lot of discussion here about building the pyramids.  What of the
following idea I heard a few years ago:

Imagine a square circumscribed by a circle.  The square is the block (in cross
section) and the four sections external to the square are pieces of wood
strapped to the block.  You would just build up the sides of the block into a
cylinder and roll it!

Kent
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
From: louns@cs.washington.edu (Michael Lounsbery)
Subject: Re: Queen Baodicea
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 18:17:51 GMT

In article <zebee.721523757@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au> zebee@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone) writes:
>
>As I remember, they deduced his staus as a druid from the fact that 
>his hands had no callouses.  IF he had been a farmer, herder, bard,
>or fighter then the marks of his profession would have been on his hands.
>(See also Sherlock Holmes).
>  
>That doesn't leave too many profession for someone from a subsistence
>culture.
>
>So as far as I can see, the proposition that he was a priest has a lot
>going for it.  Can you see an alternative explanation?

Knowing very little about the culture, I ask why couldn't he have been a
sheep grazer?  Or a livestock trader?  Or the village idiot, for that
matter?  Many cultures take good care of their infirm, even subsistence
cultures.

Michael Lounsbery
louns@cs.washington.edu
Xref: sparky sci.geo.fluids:402 sci.geo.meteorology:3357
From: roy@puffin.ocgy.ubc.ca (Roy Hourston)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.fluids,sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Re: On-line abstracts
Date: 10 Nov 1992 18:12:07 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Oceanography, University of British Columbia
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: puffin.ocgy.ubc.ca
Keywords: On-line abstracts, indexes

In article <BxIAKH.31M@news.udel.edu>, mccalpin@perelandra.cms.udel.edu (John D. McCalpin) writes:
> In article <1992Nov9.202026.20343@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> meyers@lorenz.ocean.fsu.edu (Steve Meyers) writes:
> >
> >Someone in another group reminded me of a long-standing question of 
> >mine. Are there on-line references (e.g. Science Citation Index) which 
> >include GFD, oceanography and meterology that can be accessed via 
> >Internet or purchased on CD-ROM. The idea is to eliminated leafing 
> >through page after page of references.

The AGU (American Geophysical Union) through AIP (American Institute of Physics)
offers access to KOSMOS/PINET which apparently (I don't subscribe) offers
(among other services) online access to abstracts of research papers in Member
Society journals as well as indexes. You can pay per hour ($10-$19) or a flat 
annual rate ($120). Contact the KOSMOS/PINET manager at
gnr@pinet.aip.org

--
Roy Hourston (roy@ocgy.ubc.ca)
Oceanography Dept., University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada
Newsgroups: sci.geo.fluids
From: echacon@dcc.uchile.cl (Ernesto Chacon)
Subject: Prevention of Deterioration of Concrete Bridge Decks
Originator: echacon@dcc.uchile.cl
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:57:08 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion



		  Alguien tiene algun tipo de informacion para la impermeabilizacion
   y prevencion de deterioro de los tableros de los puentes, especialmente el uso de geomembranas y geotextiles. 
	   Por favor es de vital importancia para mi Memoria.



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Newsgroups: misc.jobs,sci.geo.fluids
From: William.Hou@launchpad.unc.edu (William Hou)
Subject: Try to find  BBS/E-mail address  for  job posting
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 03:24:09 GMT

Greetings all!

I am looking for a general place on electronic world to post job announcement.
Area related to physical oceanogrphy, or biological,  or geological
oceanography. What  could be the best place to post? Please inform me!!
Many   thanx  in advance!!!

Bill

--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
Xref: sparky sci.geo.fluids:405 sci.geo.meteorology:3365
From: cnd@castle.ed.ac.uk (C N Duncan)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.fluids,sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Re: On-line abstracts
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:22:30 GMT
Followup-To: sci.geo.fluids,sci.geo.meteorology
Organization: Edinburgh University Meteorology Department

In article <1992Nov9.202026.20343@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, meyers@lorenz.ocean.fsu.edu (Steve Meyers) writes:
|> 
|> Someone in another group reminded me of a long-standing question of 
|> mine. Are there on-line references (e.g. Science Citation Index) which 
|> include GFD, oceanography and meterology that can be accessed via 
|> Internet or purchased on CD-ROM. The idea is to eliminated leafing 
|> through page after page of references.
|> 
|> Thanks.
|> 
|> -Steve

If you want on-line references then it is possible to get the Science Citation Index on CD-ROM. I don't know where it comes from but your librarian should. In the U.K. there is a service run by the Bath University Computing Service, Institute for Scientific Information (ISIHELP@BATH.AC.UK) which makes the Science Citation Index available across Internet. You do all your searching then give your email address and the results are emailed to you. You have to register but there is no charge (at least in the U.





K.).

Charles Duncan
C.Duncan@ed.ac.uk
Newsgroups: sci.geo.fluids,sci.geo.meteorology
From: meyers@lorenz.ocean.fsu.edu (Steve Meyers)
Subject: On-line abstracts
Organization: Florida State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 20:20:26 GMT


Someone in another group reminded me of a long-standing question of 
mine. Are there on-line references (e.g. Science Citation Index) which 
include GFD, oceanography and meterology that can be accessed via 
Internet or purchased on CD-ROM. The idea is to eliminated leafing 
through page after page of references.

Thanks.

-Steve
Newsgroups: sci.geo.fluids,sci.geo.meteorology
From: jewiggin@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Wiggins)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.fluids
Subject: Physical Oceanographer, Rutgers University JOB
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:25:48 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

The Institute of Marine and Coastal Sciences of Rutgers University
invites applications for a tenure-track position at the assistant
professor level in the area of Physical Oceanography.

Applicants must have a Ph.D., and an established record of published
research and grant support. The successful candidate will be expected
to teach courses primarily at the senior and graduate student level,
as well as to establist an innovative, forward-looking research 
program in dynamical or observational oceanography. Preference will
be given to candidates with demonstrated expertise in studying the
coastal and/or large-scale ocean circulation. A curriculum vitae
and a statement of research interests should be sent prior to
15 December 1992 to Dr. Frederick Grassle, Director, Rutgers University,
Institute of Marine and Coastal Sciences, P. O. Box 231, New Brunswick,
New Jersey  08903-0231

Rutgers University is an Equal Opportunity / Affirmative Action
Employer.
Newsgroups: sci.geo.fluids
From: murty@ecf.toronto.edu (MURTY Hema Sandhyarani)
Subject: acoustic waves
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:25:36 GMT

	I would like to know if anyone has information 
	dealing with the definition of group velocity in
	nonlinear NON-DISPERSIVE media?         

	I have only seen it definied in DISPERSIVE media.
	Are they somehow related - the idea of group velocity
	can only exist in dispersive media?

	Thanks,
	Hema
From: chris@eso.mc.xerox.com (Chris Heiny 73186 - SETA)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
Subject: Re: Petosky or Petoskie (Michigan?) fossil cora
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:58:08 GMT
Reply-To: chris@eso.mcxerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY

It's Petoskey , the state stone of Michigan.  It's a fossil coral from
 Paleozoic reefs in Michigan's Lower Penninsula.  I think it's either
 Silurian or Devonian in age.  It's found in the northwest shore are
 of the Lower Penninsula, near the town of Petoskey.  If you hold your
 left hand out, palm away from you, you have a nice mape of the L.P. 
 Petoskey is near the tip of your little finger/end knuckle of your
 fourth finger.


					Chris
From: jh507@rollgeosc.psu.edu (John Hammer for GEOSC 507)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
Subject: Re: Seeking Siesmic Activity Information
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:55:10 GMT
Organization: Penn State University, College of Earth & Mineral Sciences

I ran a quick search on this time in New Mexico and found:

Dec 27, 1943 at 0400utc, 33.1 N, 106.0 W, Intensity IV

Location accurate to within 0.5 degrees.

Found in the State Seismicity Files catalog

Source listed as:

U.S Coast and Geodetic Survey
Seismological Bulletin MSI 1 through MSI 316,
January 1934 through May 1967


I don't know if its what you're looking for but it is all
I found.
I can't help more than this since I should be doing my
research right now.  I might suggest the newspapers of
nearby towns as a good source of general info.

John Hammer
EMAIL: hammer@geosc.psu.edu
From: S.J.Morden@newcastle.ac.uk (S.J. Morden)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
Subject: Re: Geological time scale help
Keywords: cheers!
Date: 5 Nov 92 10:35:36 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU

Just to say, thanks for all your help - Neil is now one step closer
to his PhD.

Simes
s.j.morden@uk.ac.newcastle
Xref: sparky sci.geo.geology:2360 ca.earthquakes:1318
From: mjohnson@cco.caltech.edu (Mary L. Johnson)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
Subject: Re: taafite (is it a known gem name?)
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:28:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: gap.1dp9icINNibv
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu

In article <1dosq2INNfoh@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> gsteckel@vergil.Eng.Sun.COM (Geoff Steckel - Sun BOS Hardware CONTRACTOR) writes:
>The science fiction writer Roger Zelazny wrote a short story
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^
                            S. R. Delany

>'Time Regarded as a Helix of Semi-Precious Stones', which listed
>among commonly known names 'taafite'.  I have been unable to find
>this in common handbooks of gems & minerals, encyclopedias, etc.
>Does anyone know this name or have a suggestion on where to find
>it, if it is not a creation of the author?
>	thanks,
>--
>	geoff steckel (gwes@trilobyte.com, gwes@wjh12.harvard.EDU)

Taafeite, Mg_3_Al_8_Be O_16_, hexagonal, purple.
	    American Mineralogist v. 69, p. 215 (1984).

(says the Glossary of Mineral Species, 1991,
Fleischer and Mandarino, p. 195.)

Anecdotes:  was originally found as two cut gemstones from Sri Lanka,
thought to be spinels.  Named after an Irish(?) nobleman who
may have acquired one of them (I can't find my copy of "Mineral
Names: What Do They Mean?" or I'd check this.)

Now also found in certain skarn deposits in China, and available if
you're lucky as micromounts.

With further examination, this species will probably be found to have lots
of different stacking structures (like hoegbomite), and turn into
taafeite-6H, taafeite-24R, etc...  requiring X-ray patterns to identify
completely.

More than you wanted to know from

-- Dr. Mary L. Johnson
mjohnson@alumni.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology,alt.sci.planetary
From: frank@wanda.princeton.edu (Frank Bilotti)
Subject: seeking Archean tectonics refs & ideas
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton Univ.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:21:24 GMT

	There has been some interest in the planetary community in relating the
tectonics of Venus to that of the early Earth.  What I was wondering is if
anyone has any bright ideas or favorite references on Earth tectonics in
the Archean.  There was a paper of this sort in a recent GEOLOGY.  Several
people have suggested that there must have been some pre-plate times in the
early Earth. Since we don't see an Earthlike system of plates on Venus,
some would like to relate the Archean Earth to Venus. Please post or E-mail
any ideas or references relating to this topic...

Thanks in advance...
																																Frank Bilotti



frank@wanda.princeton.edu