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From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: BICYCLE CRASH
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:49:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.161407.9767@ssd.kodak.com> bilbo@bisco.kodak.com (Charles Tryon) writes:
>In article <VXymiB6w164w@ham> ham!emd@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca writes:
>>
>>That wasn't my main point, however. The problem is that when you mix 
>>extremely vulnerable low speed bicycles with much higher speed, heavy 
>>vehicles you create a dangerous situation. ...
>
>  I contend that, when you mix extremely vulnerable HIGH speed MOTORCYCLES
>  with much HEAVIER, better protected vehicles, you create a dangerous
>  situation.  The difference is that you ride the motorcycle while I ride

This is not what most traffic studies indicate. There are fewer accidents
in situations where ALL traffic is moving within 5 - 10% of the average
speed. Your point is valid, however, if you are considering that a collision
has already taken place.

>  the bicycle, so you have grown accustomed to dealing with the risks
>  inherent with riding a motorcycle and I with dealing with riding a
>  bicycle.  Look at the circus tight-rope walker.  You or I would be scared
>  to death to do the things they do, but for them, it's all in a day's
>  work.  Perceived risk has a lot more to do with one's familiarity than
>  with the actual risk factor.

I would say, as a motorcyclist, that is IS more dangerous to ride a motorcycle
than a car ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL. That this risk is, usually, not our fault
does not change the situation. I would also say that bicycles are more
dangerous than motorcycles, for the same reason. One thing that must not be
forgotten by (either set of) bikers, is that is really doesn't matter who
has the right of way. Insisting that you are "in the right" and insisting on
asserting that "right of way" greatly facilitates existence negation.

Mike
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: Sticking clutch plate
Keywords: clutch
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering Inc.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:47:25 GMT

In article <67@devl3.UUCP> root@devl3.UUCP (Super user) writes:
>Dear Sirs or Ma'ams;
>
>I have a 1981 XS1100 yamaha.  Every time the bike sets for more than a
>couple of hours, the clutch plate sticks.  When I start the bike with
>the transmission in neutral, and try to engage first or second gear
>they clash badly.  If I try to start the bike with the transmission
>in gear, it causes the bike to lurch violently forward for a couple of
>feet until the clutch plate comes unstuck.  Once the plate is loose the
>first time, then it will stay that way as long as I am running.  But
>when I stop for a while, it sticks again.
>
>My question is, has anybody else had this problem?

Yep.

>  If so, what did you do to alleviate it?

It was a Triumph, 800cc kit, Barnett clutch.  Triumph Bonnivilles
drive the kickstarter through the transmission, that is you
have to start the bike in neutral, with the clutch out.
I'd kick it a couple times with the ignition off and the clutch
in, which would break the plates loose.  Then (one) kick for real
to start it up.

>  If not, does anybody have any advice (other
>than the usual smart-ass (:-) stuff that comes over the net) about how
>I can eliminate the problem?  Thanking you in advance for your time
>and concern regarding this matter, I remain gratefully yours;

First make sure that the clutch is adjusted correctly.  Then try
starting it in second (or third) gear, with the clutch pulled in.
More drag on the starter (I think), but it should break the clutch
loose without making the bike jump.  You can run with slightly less
clutch-lever freeplay than the manual calls for, so that pulling
the clutch in all the way pulls the plates a bit farther apart.
Don't reduce the freeplay to much, though, or you'll toast the
release mechanisim.

Also, you might try using good synthetic motorcycle oil, if adjusting
the clutch doesn't work.


--
Eric Murray   ericm@microunity.com   Ride fast, die young, wear black leather.
               Real motorcyclists work on their own bikes.
From: eagr03@castle.ed.ac.uk (M I Clarkson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: 40 quid !
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:03:57 GMT
Organization: Scottish Agricultural College, Edinburgh


Ha-ha!  1 years, Third Party, Fire and Theft insurance on a Norton Commando 850
with an agreed value of 2500 quid, no no-claims bonus and friendly people to
deal with, all for just ... 40 quid!

Fully comprehensive?  No problem, 65 quid!

Seriously, if you live in Britain, have a "classic" motorcycle (ie over 15
years old) and are a member of one of the main owners clubs then you can
get VERY cheap insurance through Carole Nash Insurance.  They advertise in
all the main "classic" bike mags, but I'll have a look for their number if
anyone can't find it.  If you have an older bike - use them.

They can supply insurance outside Britain (not the statutory liability stuff)
as well, but I basically just posted this worldwide to piss you all off. Ha!

(I am in no way connected with this Co. other than as a very satisfied
customer, blah, blah, blah, etc.)

By the way, is anyone going to the Stafford bike Show/Autojumble in a couple
of weeks?  If so, look out for a BRG Commando, reg. BNC 64M - its me).

Cheery, 

       Mike.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015)
Subject: Re: ABS FJ1200
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 04:26:28 GMT


In article <3400.89.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)  writes:
>-> months back, I haven't heard a peep about it lately. Has anyone
>-> bought the '92 (US) or '91 (Europe) FJ1200 with the anti-lock brakes
>-> option?
>
> The FJ down at the local Yamaha shop says '92 on the tag, but the thing
>looks like it has the plain old wimpy FZR brakes they Frankensteined
>onto it a few years ago.  Why anyone would want those wimp stoppers
>instead of the original FJ radially-vented rotors is beyond me.  Maybe
>the FZR-look stuff is cheaper to make.
>
you outta you're ficking mind.  I can leave retina prints on my face shield
any time I want.  If you don't know how to brake, fine, fine, lets leave it
at that.  You don't have to go around bad mouthing FJ brakes.  They work.

Ride Free,

Bill

________________________________________________________________
bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu  johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu
AMA #500924   DoD #00314   WMTC #0002   SR= 2.125
FJ1200 R100GS/PD 740GLE  KotV :-)
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From: kenoyer@sfcpmo.enet.dec.com (Greg Kenoyer, Contract Spook)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: chain vs belt vs shaft drive
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:21:18 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Apr8.014542.8588@serval.net.wsu.edu>, bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes...
> 
>In article <1992Apr7.115725.12808@inmos.co.uk> nicks@grandad.inmos.co.uk (Nick Sturge) writes:

	[scads of stuff deleted]

>someday.  Couldn't put one on FJ, if I did I'd have to throw
>2 pistons away.  Simple fact of the matter is that belts can't
>deal with very many ponies all at one time.

    Damn, I'd better call Milwaukie (sp?).  Harley's gonna be real pissed
    when they learn that all their bikes for the last few years are in
    trouble.

    Those "Gates Kevlar reinforced Poly Chain belts" can't do the job, eh?

    Yes, I know that many bikes come with more ponies stock than HD's,
    however there are more than a few HD Evos and Shovels pushing 100 hp,
    and using a belt to do it.  I was amazed when I found out how many
    things you can do to a Harley
		
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From: frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Frank Ball)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Calif. Emission laws
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:00:22 GMT
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA

*Hi, I have a question from you folks in the Golden State:  I own an
*RZ350 that was originally from California, so it came with a catalytic
*converter.  I live in Arizona, and have passed the emissions test here
*with this equipment removed.  I have a job offer in the Bay area and
*want to know if I will have to return the bike to stock condition to
*get it registered.  Are aftermarket pipes allowed on this bike?

"allowed"?  No.  Will you have to return in to stock?  Not likely.  I
think a major percetange of the bikes in CA have illegal pipes.   There
are no smog tests for bikes in CA.  It is a CA model and it still has
two wheels.  Thats all the DMV will care about. 

Frank Ball   2LR-D             frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com
Hewlett Packard                pyramid!hplabs!hpsad!frankb
1212 Valley House Drive        (707) 794-4168 work  (707) 538-3693 home
Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999     KC6WUG Seca 750 XT350 IT175 I'm the NRA.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What's a stoppie?
From: Ray_L_Curry@cup.portal.com
Date: 6 Apr 92 05:38:42 GMT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>  Yeah, right.  I guess this makes Kevin Schwantz, Wayne Rainey,
>Mick Doohan, and Randy Mamola all squids, right?  (well, ok, so
>Randy _is_ a squid.  I wish I were one).
>
Remembering back in Steady Eddy Lawson's column, the GP front runners
pretty much have to pull stoppies on major corners.  He said something
like, pull on the brake til the rear tire is off the ground, lean the
bike over on the front wheel making the rear tire swing to the outside
(of the turn), then let off the brake til the tire touches down, then
gas it and take off in a new direction.  Trials riders are now doing
this sort of thing in observed trials as well.
From: v058l789@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Ethan A Bowerman)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Leaded or Unleaded
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:13:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	A friend of mine has a question for his bike.  He has a 1973
Honda CB350F and wants to know if it is O.K. for  the motor if he just runs
unleaded gas with no additives.  Anybody got anything worthwhiel to say about 
using straight pump gas in a motor made to run in the "leaded era".  All replies
are apprieciated- thanks in advance.

						Ethan Bowerman
Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Date: Mon,  6 Apr 1992 21:45:19 -0400 
From: John Robert Nadzam <jn1h+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Help! Repair / Junk it Advice needed!

Hey Yeah,

my advice to you, roll up the sleves and dig in. If/when you get it
runnign again you will have supreme self satisfaction, ( I did when I
finished rebuilding my 78 Hawk) and what happened to that bike will
never ecer happen to any other bike you own, because you will never let
it happen again after seeing what it does to you/you bike. And like
the.sig sez

NADZ
DoD#528

REAL men do thier own work on thier bikes.
From: doning@ocf.berkeley.edu (Donald Ng)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Vision Manual and XT125-200 Manual
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Date: 9 Apr 1992 04:37:08 GMT
Organization: ucb
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu
Summary: Free Manual for XT125



Helo,
 a few days ago someone asked for a copy of the owners manual for a
 Yamaha Vision. I am also a new owner of this awesome V-twin monster
 bike and do have said Yamaha owner's manual. If the guy wanting 
 a copy of this little book wants a copy, I can send him a copy. Just 
 email me.

 Also, I have a Clymer's manual for the early 1980's Yamaha XT125-200-250
 family of bikes. I no longer need it or the right side crankcase gasket
 for an XT125. Anyone who wants this manual and the gasket can offer me
 a ride on a CBR900RR  or some of those neato DoD decals. The manual and
 the gasket are a package deal, so no haggling.

 donaldng.

 PS. You Interceptor 500 owners don't know what you are missing until
 you ride a Vision. Vintage 1982, Yamaha was still developing downdraft 
 carbs, and there's no feeling like that of cracking open the throttle
 in a turn and guessing at when the engine will accelerate. That taller
 gearing and wonderous shaft drive will have your Interceptor beat anytime.
 I know, it beats my Interceptor.
 .
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: noemi@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Noemi Berry)
Subject: Re: ZZR600 Tell me more about them
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 16:44:22 GMT

>I'm looking at buying a ZZR600 this year, but before I do I would
>be interested in any owners comment on
>
>	- performance
>	- handling
>	- problems
>	- reliability
>	- general likes/dis-likes

lemme guess....another tidbit from Kawasaki not imported into the U.S.?

just a conjecture based on the ZZR250, a Ninja sibling we here in
the U.S. are also deprived of.  a Ninja sibling of which we here
in the U.S. are also deprived (there are some thing up with which
i will not put -- wc).

has anyone seen any ZZR* here in the U.S.?

noemi
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: RE: RE: WHAT TO CALL A HA
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 11 Apr 92 21:15:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

->      Rotax is alive and well.  Are they American?

 Jeez, I dunno.  Old CanAm and Penton dirt bikes used Rotax engines.
I don't remember if the Rotax engines were Canadian or German.  Anyone
go back that far?
                                            
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.bicycles
From: praetzel@babbage.waterloo.edu (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: Motorcyclists and Bicyclists
Organization: University of Waterloo
    -  Warning - cross posted -
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 12:58:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.212019.23085@cs.ucla.edu> coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Coleman) writes:
>On a motorcycle, your main advantage is hard acceleration and deceleration on
>straightaways.  If you hit something though, you're more likely to be
>traveling at a speed which is going to make a mess of you.

Are you sure?  I have road rash from 20 mph slides that is much worse than
what friends of mine have from 60+ mph spills wearing leather.  Of course
if you are going to hit something stationary then I would rather be doing 20.
  Currently I have some great scars on my legs, R arm, R shoulder, R hip,
and back (sliding, twisting dive roll).  Collar bones are commonly broken
(cyclists) and the way I have hit some trees I am amazed that I have not
fractured my hip yet.  There is also a bone in the hand which I have broken
a few times (silly me for putting my hands out) but it does not stop me from
doing much of anything.  So whats it like for motorcyclists?
  - Eric
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Update your List entry
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:03:16 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

The frequency of job/school changes for this bunch is something between
that of changing our socks and changing the oil at 1000 mile
intervals.  While that's great for your salary, it tends to make you
hard to find.

About the only *REAL* justification for the DoD and all its shenanigans
is that we have a List with the email address of practically everyone
on rec.motorcycles (that you would want to talk to, anyway... :^).

*PLEASE* check your entry at motohead.  If it's changed, contact
whoever you got it from with an update (some responsibilities stay with
you for life, John!).  The last three people I tried to contact had
outdated addresses, and waiting around for a post on the net to "reply"
to only works if you want to talk to me, or maybe Blane.  :^)

e-mail motohead@alumni.colorado.edu and verify your address.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: mikep@cfsmo.honeywell.com (Mike Polo)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Pulled Over / Sunday Ride
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:53:04 GMT
Reply-To: mikep@cfsmo.honeywell.com
Organization: Honeywell Commercial Flight Systems.

In article 7996@watserv1.waterloo.edu, ed@grackle.UWaterloo.ca (Ed Walker) writes:
>A down shift and a throttle pull and I went from 70 to about  
>120 in (what seemed like) a nanosecond (I luv my RZ)

Those canadian RZ's must be nice.  I have an American RZ350 - Catalytic converter,
steel frame, etc...  I've only hit 120 once by waiting a *long* time. (At the end
Brainerd Raceway's 1 mile main straight)  The wind was at my back (Seriously!)
Gotta put an aftermarket or canadian pipe on... nothing like the two-stroke sound!

Mike
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: clb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Cameron L. Bennett)
Subject: 72 suzuki 550 GT parts 4 sale
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 19:49:56 GMT


I have the following parts from a 1972 suzuki 550 GT:
1. complete 3cyl. 2 stroke engine w/tranny
2. various engine covers
3. electrical harnesses
4. gas tank
5. side covers
6. gauge cluster
7. all kinds of misc. rubber bushings clamps and hold downs
8. sissy bar
9. lots more

* some of these parts are from a 1976 550 GT, but they fit*

please make an offer if you would like all or one of the
parts.

my number is 754-1833 ask for Cam
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: raible@nas.nasa.gov (Eric Raible)
Subject: Re: NEED INFO...Honda CB750
Organization: Applied Research Office, NASA Ames Research Center
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:23:46
Reply-To: raible@nas.nasa.gov


In article <TALE.92Apr7015223@ten.uu.net> tale@ten.uu.net (David C Lawrence) writes:

   Bleah.  My lease for my house had a similar clause, but I demonstrated
   to the landlady that I was a responsible young man who didn't have
   straight pipes or a race exhaust.  When I moved out last month she
   commented on how she never allowed bikes after a bad experience, but
   after having me around for a year she was removing that clause up
   front.  Glad I could make a good impression.
           ^^^^ ^ ^^^^^ ^^^^ ^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^

And you consider yourself to be a member of the DoD?

How do you expect us to get the RESPECT that we deserve but going
around making GOOD IMPRESSIONS????
From: frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Frank Ball)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: I-70 SUCKS!! (WAS Re: Yet another way to get killed...)
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:49:18 GMT
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA


*I've heard of similar grates used out in cattle country on more remote
*(read: unpaved) roads, used for crossing ditches and such.  Most of the
*time they're perpendicular to the road, but sometimes they're parallel.
*And just the right spacing to catch your tire and/or rim (3 to 4 inches).

I cross two of these on my ride to work everyday.  It's a paved road.
The problem is that both of these are right next to a turn.  You must
make sure that you are going straight as you cross over them because
they have terrible traction.  If you are leaning/cornering just a 
little bit too much the wheels will slide as you go over the grate,
but they catch again when you get to the pavement on the other side.
The trick here is to make sure that you are going fast enough so that
you reach the pavement on the other side before you have time for the
wheels to slide all the way out from under you.  

I like the back route to work.  There are more cows on the road than
cars.   Just this morning a big cow wandered out into the road as I
was approaching.  She just trotted down the road in front of me for a 
while, looking over her shoulder at me now and then until she got to 
where she wanted and hung a left.  These cows are very used to cars
and don't panic or do other stupid things, but in less traveled areas
they can be a real hazard.  They will try to run away, but if there is
an obsticle in the way they will turn around and jump right in front
of you.  You also have to keep a lookout for cowpies and piss on the road.
And remember that they don't know that it is dangerous to congregate
just around blind turns.

Frank Ball   2LR-D             frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com
Hewlett Packard                pyramid!hplabs!hpsad!frankb
1212 Valley House Drive        (707) 794-4168 work  (707) 538-3693 home
Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999     KC6WUG Seca 750 XT350 IT175 I'm the NRA.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: norton@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Simon Norton)
Subject: 50cc Harley???
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:44:46 GMT

Try again. Sorry about the last one.  I'm looking for information on 
a small street bike that had the Harley Davidson name on it.  It was 
produced in the 60's.  All I know is approximatly when it was made
and the size, 50cc.  I want information, and where to buy. Reply to
Mike care of Norton@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: i finally went and did it.
From: rbp@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Robert B. Pasker)
Date: 10 Apr 92 08:02:30 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: San Francisco State University

i finally got rid of that piece of shit BMW.  man, what a hunk of
trash.  slow as shit and required constant maintenence all the time.
went out and got me a HOG, so dont go fucking with me anymore, cause
i'll run yer but inta the ground.

-- 
- bob pasker
  halfdome!bob@cs.sfsu.edu | rbp@sutro.sfsu.edu | rbp@well.sf.ca.us
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How Dangerous is a Bike,  really?????
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:29:42 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 14918@optima.cs.arizona.edu, sham@cs.arizona.edu (Shamim Zvonko Mohamed) writes:
>>
>>What is a morotcycle?
>
>It's what those damn morots ride, of course.

So, motors ride motorcycles?!?!


---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: RE: CHAIN VS BELT VS SHAF
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:01:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

-> Is this not because the belts are not as strong strength) as chains?
-> (Can chains handle the great loads under hard accelerations better
-> than belts?)

 Gear-belt technology goes back a ways, but the first real uses were in
DAF and Pinto belt-driven camshafts.  The early ones had belt problems,
which were quickly solved, though they lived long in auto lore.

 Since the late 1960s, belt technology has developed a *lot*.
Modern-design belts are lighter, stronger, and quieter than
conventional roller chains, and need no lubrication.

 Harley-Davidson and Kawasaki are the only ones I know of who have
produced belt-driven motorcycles.