From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Death of America 3
Date: 17 Dec 1992 23:14:58 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
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In a previous article, nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) says:

>In article <1go0t1INNd2c@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) writes:
>
>>
>>      Ah.  *my* comment.  You misinterpret.  I don't believe eliminating
>>    the Federal government will fix the problem.  I believe it is TIME
>>    to eliminate it regardless.  Patriotism != Federal Government.
>
>   But this is an even *bigger* faith-based presumption.  No nontrivial
>   sized modern society or economy has ever existed without a strong
>   central government (which is what I presume you mean by "eliminate


      I mean "eliminate the Federal government".  It's coming anyway.
      I'd choose for it to be easy rather than hard.

      I don't deny a central authority has a place, but look at Russia.
      Look at ANY empire.  The feedback loop which used to work, was 
      based on cultural homogeny.  Obviously, this ain't working anymore.

>   the federal government".  please correct me if you really meant
>   Honestly I don't know why the posters to this thread have suddenly
>   become so apocalyptic.   I work in the computer business: my company
>   (HP) and all those around me are downsizing. DEC, IBM, Apple,
>   Compaq, Data General, etc etc have all announced massive layoffs.


    Look, you JUSTIFY my statement about the Federal government with
    your examples here.  

    And, speaking for myself, I haven't "suddenly " become apocalyptic.     
     I been watching the whole show since 1987, and I'm about a 95%
    confidence level that the times I grew up in, ar going away forever.

    Here:

    1987 - The greatest NYSE crash ever.
    And since:

       Berlin Wall.  Collapse of Russia.  Death camps in Bosnia.  Collapse
       of Japanese Market.  Collapse of Italian market.  Desert Storm. 
     Somalia.  Bejing.  A "recession" that defies understanding.  
     Riots across the United States.  Riots in Japan.  Riots in Mexico.
     Racist riots in Germany.  Riots in France and Ireland.  Belfast.
     A government deficit of truly unbelievable size. 
     The Islamic revival.  Mozambique.  Liberia.  Riots in Italy. 
     

     Last night I read "The Great Reckoning" Ress-Mogg & Davidson.

     It has confirmed several things I've figured out for myself.

      Are you aware of just how atypical 1945 to 1992 was?  
      
      Is any of this getting through?

      Hello!?

>   any of Michael Cusamano's (MIT) research.    And learn to deal
>   with it.   According to him there is likely to be massive un-
>   employment among US programmers by the end of the decade. 
>            
>   I'm leaving for Tahiti in a few days.   But next year this time
>   I and plenty of other programmers might end up with jobs where we
>   have to ask "paper or plastic?" or "do you want fries with that?".
>   But this is no different than steelworkers or TV assemblers who
>   had to do the same thing in the past.   It's not the end of the
>   world, or the US.  
>
>>      I feel ill.  The entire upper echelon is so out-to-lunch, I just
>>   can't believe it.  
>
>   As long as they eat lunch at my McDonald's.
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>
>---peter
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