Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Oink, Oink
From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:47:33 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <4035@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>In article <BvrKx0.505.2@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>>
>>It's been a few weeks since this thread started.  I can't believe
>>it is continuing.  I also can't believe how hard you are trying to
>>drag me into this garbage.  Don't you people have anything better to
>>do?  
>
>But Anwar, you haven't yet seen how far threads in t.p.m. can go?
>I think it is mainly because you have failed to address the many
>previous concerns. 

I realize that the number of wives the Emir has had is a big "concern"
of yours.  Unfortunately, it is of little consequence to me.

>You seem to *want* to participate in these discussions -

Not when it centers on such trivialities as the Emir's wives or 
my spelling.

> it doesn't
>take very much effort on anyone's part - and it seems that you are
>more interested in your pride than anything else.  
>Yes, when it
>comes to principals, clarifications on positions, and demanding the
>truth and reality of the situation, you can better believe that it
>is extremely important.  And I will spend as much time as necessary
>to get to the heart of the matter.

The truth is that I am very much conscious of the problems my country
has.  The sad truth is that you are not conscious of much beyond the 
usual blame shifting for the problems of your country.  We have seen
many words critical of pre-occupation Kuwaiti actions (for which I 
was branded "a Khomeinist") and post-liberation vigilanti activities
and deportations, yet we haven't seen a *single* word of self-criticism
from you. In fact, when I challenge you on this, you carefully edit it
out in your responses.

I have posted far more in the way of facts and figures regarding Kuwaiti  
aid to other countries when you have attacked Kuwaiti greediness and 
selfishness with nary a fact in sight.   You ignore this and demand more 
facts and figures.  I have documented Kuwaiti aid to Palestinians, not
just to the PLO, but direct aid in building and supporting schools and
hospitals. You ignore this as well.

>
>>Take a lesson from Kuwaitis in your recent posting, who are 
>>discussing substantive matters around this election time regarding
>>the future of their country, voting rights, and the powers of 
>>the various branches of government, rather than counting Yasser
>>Arafat's nose hairs or whatever irrelevant crap.
>
>Substantial matters.  Like what?  Re-electing "branches of government"
>that further support the inequalities and injustices of the Al-Sabah
>kingdom?  That do not even address the "voting rights" of women and
>males from elite status?  The future of your country?  It seems that
>when the government of Kuwait excludes several hundred thousand of its
>citizens from a fair democratic system, how can your country ever
>progress in the eyes of the Middle East or, as you would prefer, the
>industrialized nations?

You are, as usual, completely wrong.  Voting rights were one of the
substantial matters discussed in this election.  I, for one, am
proud of the Kuwaiti women who demonstrated in favor of their
voting rights and managed to make it an issue in this election.

Extending voting rights to a wider segment of the Kuwaiti population
(including women) was an issue which some of the larger opposition
groups in this election supported.  The Al-Sabah's have basically
ceded any voice in suffrage matters to the Assembly.  If you paid 
attention to little things like this (you know, facts) instead of just
shooting from the hip.

Other substantial matters include the defence of the nation against 
future aggressors, the management of the nation's natural and financial
resources, the accountability of the executive branch to the legistlative
branch.

>
>Maybe counting nose hairs is what the majority in your country are reduced
>to.  

Read my post again.  This time you might get it.

>Remember, ignorance is bliss, Anwar. 

Given the content of this post, you must be one of the happiest people
alive.

>
>Anisa
>


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