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From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Re: Original idea? Was Alternatives to scoring in...
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:00:35 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <iTPNPB1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> aph@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Al Hunt) writes:
>How about having the adventurer filling out a diary or log book.  This 
>could be controlled by the player (ie "Update the Diary" command), or 
>done at a scheduled time (ie Just before the adventurer goes to sleep).
> 
>Example:
>>Sleep
> 
>You find a comfortable spot, and begin to fill out your diary prior to a 
>much needed rest.
> 
>Dear Diary,
>I am really pleased with myself today!  Not only did I find the golden 
>fleece, but managed to solve a puzzle written on the side of a well!  If 
>I can keep progressing at this rate, I will have the Crown in my grasp in 
>no time!

Brilliant!   Absolutely Brilliant!   Provides feedback & reinforcement from
the game designer to the player.  This could be incorporated with the hints
mentioned by earlier players, rather like:

    Dear Diary,
    I still don't know what to do with the candlestick, the birdcage,
    or the pogo stick.  I think tomorrow I will try to find a way into
    the gingerbread house I found yesterday - maybe I'll find something
    inside that will help me on my way.

-- 
John Francis                                johnf@apollo.hp.com
The world can be divided into two classes :-
 those who divide people into two classes, and those who don't.
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From: steppe@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Top Changwatchai)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.int-fiction,rec.games.programmer
Subject: Re: More on scoring in text adventures
Date: 16 Aug 92 11:33:41 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.int-fiction
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

Just a couple more comments on puzzle nonlinearity and completeness:

The Infocom game _Arthur_ included a hints feature.  After completing the game
(without using any hints), I looked through all the hints to see if I had
missed anything.  I guess this is why some people like reading hint books
after solving a game.  Alternatively, some games (like Infocom's _Planetfall_
and Sierra's _Leisure_Suit_Larry_) hint at major puzzles that haven't been
solved (which aren't crucial to finishing the game).

Sometimes this is fun, particularly if solving a non-crucial puzzle ("side
dish") leads to a witty or otherwise satisfying addition to the game.  However,
I don't at all feel the need to get every last point in a game if it involves
simply looking at a room, searching a flowerpot, or something equally dull.

Top
Newsgroups: rec.arts.int-fiction
From: adel@varian (Someone)
Subject: How to contact Interactive Literature group?
Summary: How to contact ILF?
Keywords: ILF, interactive, literature
Reply-To: adel@varian.com
Organization: Here
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 16:03:59 GMT

Hi,
I saw a mailing list for Interactive Literature interest group 
of the Interactive Literature Foundation (ILF), in the following:

   From: arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva)
   Newsgroups: news.lists,news.announce.newusers,news.answers
   Subject: Publicly Accessible Mailing Lists
   Message-ID: <GLHHL2D@taronga.com>
   Date: 18 Jul 92 17:50:34 GMT

I have been trying to contact them at il-info-request@han.paramax.com
but I get a User Unknown response.

Does any one know how I can contact this mailing list?
Please Email and I will post if there is an interest.

--
=> Adel Taslimi         adel@varian.com       
=> (510)939-2400        {lll-winken, pacbell}!varian!adel
=> Standard Disclaimer

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From: jlg@cochiti.lanl.gov (Jim Giles)
Subject: Re: Victory conditions (was: Alternatives to score in text adventures)
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:41:37 GMT

In article <BsxDH9.Mvn@rice.edu>, amitp@owlnet.rice.edu (Amit Jayant Patel) writes:
|> [...]
|> In a game, though, it's nice to explore everything --- if you were trying to
|> encourage people _not_ to explore everything, then why spend time writing
|> those "side dishes"?

Well, I don't.  As I said, I like strategic games rather than puzzles.
I find those "side dishes" irritating - in my own games or someone
else's.  This is not a criticism, different people have different
tastes and mine aren't drawn by arbitrary puzzle games (I've never
been patient enough to win conventional Zork-type adventure games,
for example, their arbitrary puzzles don't interest me).

-- 
J. Giles
From: m0054@tnc.UUCP (TERILEE EDWARDS)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.int-fiction
Subject: Re: How to contact Interactive Literature group?
Keywords: ILF, interactive, literature
Date: 21 Aug 92 05:03:09 GMT
Reply-To: m0054@tnc.UUCP (TERILEE EDWARDS)
Organization: The Next Challenge, Fairfax, Va.

In article <1992Aug19.160359.24875@varian.com> adel@varian.com writes:
>I saw a mailing list for Interactive Literature interest group 
>of the Interactive Literature Foundation (ILF), in the following:
>I have been trying to contact them at il-info-request@han.paramax.com
>but I get a User Unknown response.
>Does any one know how I can contact this mailing list?
>Please Email and I will post if there is an interest.
>=> Adel Taslimi         adel@varian.com       
That's the correct mail address.  For information about the ILF
you can contact jim@visix.com or via the USnail at
PO Box 196 Merrifield, VA 22116-0196.
  Maybe the computer at paramax is down. ;-)
ciao, Terilee
  I'll try to post when I find out
why the e-mail address isn't answering.
 The ILF also has a fidonet echo.
 
-- 
The Next Challenge - Public Access Unix in Northern Va. - Washington D.C.
703-803-0391 To log in for trial and account info.
From: t9114145@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.arts.int-fiction
Subject: Re: Original idea? Was Alternatives to scoring in...
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:54:54 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <iTPNPB1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, aph@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Al Hunt) writes:
> Netters,
>  
[...]
>  
> Dear Diary,
> I am really pleased with myself today!  Not only did I find the golden 
> fleece, but managed to solve a puzzle written on the side of a well!  If 
> I can keep progressing at this rate, I will have the Crown in my grasp in 
> no time!

This sort of thing is a lot like "Journey" (one of Infocom's last games)
the way that Tag 'narrated' the story. I hated the game, it was much too much
like a Choose Your Own Adventure, but this style of scoring worked well.

> 
> Al Hunt              aph@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 
-- 

Adam Eberbach    Computer Science student, RMIT.   t9114145@phillip.edu.au
               "We don' need no stinkin' signatures!"
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Subject: Re: Something to consider before you tattoo
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 01:55:31 GMT

In article <l8nua7INNa7b@male.EBay.Sun.COM> barb@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Barbara MacRae) writes:
>
>From the Weekly World News:
>
>JEALOUS WIFE BITES OFF HUBBY'S TATTOO - AND SPITS IT OUT!
>
>...arm so she got rid of it once and for all - she bit it off and
>spit it out!
>The angry housewife, who lives near Muskogee, Okla., says the
>tattoo had an ex-girlfriend's name in it and it bugged her
>everytime she saw it.

Shouldnt the subject line read:
  Something to consider before you marry. ? :-)

After all, which one is more satisfying?

-- 
   - Ken Dykes, Thinkage Ltd., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada    [43.47N 80.52W]
         kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca   postmaster@thinkage.com   thinkage!kgdykes
         harley-request@thinkage.on.ca             kgdykes@math.uwaterloo.ca
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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: Here we go... deep breath... and...
Organization: Twilight Zone
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:06:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.212945.22954@cbfsb.cb.att.com> osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:
>In article <1992Aug15.221843.23413@nwnexus.WA.COM> elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:
>>
>>   Well, Now I've done it.
>>
>>   I took my deep breath and...
>>
>>I held both my lovers' hands through the whole thing, and I
>
>	Shift-Reduce error. Unable to continue parsing.

	Uh... *whoops* <sheepish grin>... I did not duly note the spelling
	of "lovers'"...  I guess this means I get to be asshole for a day.
	It *is* only for a day,  *right*?

	Dejectedly yours,
	
	-Andy V.
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From: osiris@athena.mit.edu
Subject: Tragus pierce, problems...maybe?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: rec.arts.bodyart
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:42:36 GMT

Well, I got my tragus pierced this past weekend, and took it out to
clean the gook that had built up off of it.  When I put it back in,
though, it looks like the skin around the pierce widened, so the head
of the piercing stud (I know...I used a gun...it's much cheaper)
appears to be counter sunk in the skin.  Anyone had any such problem?
Will it heal normally?

Also, why do those gun places charge more for nose piercing when they
get to keep the back of the stud?  It's the same gun, the same stud,
no more complicated for them...do they have more liability or
something...(oops sorry, was that your eye I hit?)


peace,
-marcel
--
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--+  I would include a disclaimer, but that would imply that my 
--+  employer cared.
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From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: no more dick fattening
Organization: Between a rock and a type specimen sheet, Boston.
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 04:56:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.172528.668@mercury.cair.du.edu> tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude) writes:
>the guy in Florida who was injecting dicks with fat had his license 
>suspended by he state. He was charged with failing to keep medical records,
>exploiting patients for financial gain, innapropriate prescriptions, 
>practicing medicine below acceptable levels of care, offering treatment
>beyond his competence, false advertising and failing to perform a legal 
>obligation.
>"It's a witch hunt," he said. "Mymedical competitors are jealous because
>I am doing fabulously well, because I'm a pioneer."

The episode of the Howard Stern (TV) show that was rerun here last week
featured an interview with the guy, with before-and-after photos.  The
"after" didn't look like much of an improvement to me--it was still a
short dick, but now it was one that was bulging and lumpy and
asymmetrical.  (I suspect a lot of people born with dicks like that
would pay to have the fat liposuctioned away... :-))

								-- K.

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From: grenade@ozrout.uucp (Kate McDonnell)
Subject: Re: where to get info on meaning of symbols
Organization: Les graphiques Grenade 
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 03:29:37 GMT

01sybok writes:

>I have been using Celtic knotwork in some Ukranian easter egg patterns, and
>can assure you there is indeed some symbolism, most of which is subtle, and
>almost all of which is Christian. Well, at least in anything I have read.

>The Celtic designs very often involve threes ( three lines, three swirls in a 
>circle, whatever.) This in fact is a symbol of the Holy Trinity. There are 
>others I know, but I have forgotten them. I would recommend some heavy research
>>before deciding.

The Celts had reverence for a much older triad than the Christian
trinity - the Goddess, in her form as maiden, mother and hag. 
No doubt the symbolism was adapted to Christian purposes. Another
symbol, the spiral, represents the cycle of death and rebirth, a
notion less useful to Christians.

On the other hand, not everyone feels their tattoo symbolism must
be exhaustively documented to be satisfying.


Kate

(who has a triple-spiral on her shoulder, with no trinity in
mind)

-- 
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From: aardvark@dragon (Pam Williams)
Subject: Re: where to get info on meaning of symbols
Organization: University of Lowell Computer Science, Lowell MA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 02:49:23 GMT

Well, you are right in that the continuous line motif symbolizes eternity
(most probably, anyway), but I don't think that the triplicity of many
Celtic knotwork designs has anything to do with the Holy Trinity, or with
Christianity at all. In numerous pre-Christian Irish tales, triplicity is
a recurring theme. This holds true for the other Celtic countries as well.
There are the three Goddesses who together are The Morrigan [sp?], Bhride's
three aspects as Goddess of Poetry, Smithcraft and Healing, and even a
Welsh story about King Arthur in which he is said to have three wives, all
of them named Gwenivere/Gwenhwyfar. Also, it is common for events to happen
three times in the course of a tale, with the third repetition incurring
disastrous results.

I think you get my point.

Perhaps the fact that much of the Celtic knotwork that has been preserved
into the present day was preserved in a monastic/Christian context (The Book
of Kells and suchlike) gives the overwhelming impression of Christian
symbolism in what were probably non-Christian ornamentation.
-- 
Pamela S. Williams                         85 Gershom Ave. #3
a.k.a. Wonder Aardvark                     Lowell, Ma 01854
aardvark@dragon.cpe.ulowell.edu            (508)453-1753
WWIVNet: St. Zolfo the Redeemed for Valuable Cash Prizes (64@5806)
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From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: Here we go... deep breath... and...
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 22:18:43 GMT

   Well, Now I've done it.

   I took my deep breath and...

   ... that's funny.  It didn't hurt at all.  Just a sharp needlestick
is all.  Okay, maybe the placement is unusual for an injection, but
once that was over I barely felt a thing.  Ed, one of Seattle's best
pros... after the needle was in I could feel him manipulating my wabbly
bits (tm STella) but when he shifted from needle to jewerly, I never
noticed.  "You're done," he announced, and I wondered what had
happened.  I held both my lovers' hands through the whole thing, and I
was glad they were there.

   So, there it is.  A 12ga., 3/4" ring at the base of my penis w/ 1/2"
wound channel that, soft, looks a little lopsided and erect looks
*wonderful*, with a captive snap-tube instead of a bead.  I dangles
downwards and looks really neat and isn't hard to clean at all.

   My first peircing.  And it's really cool.

   Wonder when I'll be able to masturbate again?

         Elf !!!
-- 
Elf Sternberg    __   |     I have looked into the abyss, and the abyss
elf@halcyon.com  \/   | has looked into me.  Neither liked what we saw.
elf@polari.online.com |                              - Brother Theodore
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From: aardvark@dragon (Pam Williams)
Subject: Re: Fred and Wilma!
Organization: University of Lowell Computer Science, Lowell MA
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 23:02:05 GMT

Sounds like an interesting tat, but your statement that you were quite
inebriated at the time makes me wonder about the artist that inked you.

Admittedly, I've only been to one tattoo parlor (to watch a close friend
of mine get inked by Juli Moon), but I do remember quite clearly that there
was a sign posted on the premises that said that the artists at the parlor
would NOT ink inebriated people. My impression was htat this was standard
operating procedure at tat places these days, but maybe I'm wrong.
-- 
Pamela S. Williams                         85 Gershom Ave. #3
a.k.a. Wonder Aardvark                     Lowell, Ma 01854
aardvark@dragon.cpe.ulowell.edu            (508)453-1753
WWIVNet: St. Zolfo the Redeemed for Valuable Cash Prizes (64@5806)
From: jane@soave.swdc.stratus.com (Jane Beckman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Something to consider before you tattoo
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:32:13 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

>From the Weekly World News:
>
>JEALOUS WIFE BITES OFF HUBBY'S TATTOO - AND SPITS IT OUT!
>
>Dolores Reeves hated the big red heart tattooed on her hubby's
>arm so she got rid of it once and for all - she bit it off and
>spit it out!

Just imagine what it would have been like if he'd had the
lady's portrait done on his arm, rather than merely a heart
with a name!
--
  Jilara   [jane@swdc.stratus.com]

I've worn high-heeled pointed-toed fashionable shoes for the past 
twenty years, and you ask me about if *getting tattooed* hurt?!
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri)
Subject: Re: Tongue piercing and tat question
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 03:12:43 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Am I the only one who *likes* normal Listerine?
-- 

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From: buglady@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Aliza R. Panitz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Rumor or reality?
Date: 22 Aug 92 18:07:43 GMT
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science

In article <16pfloINNo2a@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks) writes:
>In article <16ki0rINNmpr@network.ucsd.edu> brian@ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor) writes:
>>Infections in the 'danger triangle' - nose, ears, eyes - can spread to
>>the brain more quickly and with less warning than those elsewhere.

In Junior High health class, in the middle of all the warnings about not
popping, squeezing, or playing with zits, was a special warning to not
risk driving infection under the skin in the triangle between the
corners of the nose and the corners of the eyes, for the same reason.

I haven't heard of the ears being in the same category, but then again,
folks don't usually pop zits on their ears :-)

If you're really worried about potential damage from a piercing, get
a copy of Gray's Anatomy out of the library and check that there are
no major nerves or blood vessels in the immediate area.  The rumor of 
paralysis from a piercing might well have started from an ineptly-done
unusual pierce that damaged a branch of the facial nerve.

>	But see, that's a GOOD thing. 
>
>	It quickly kills of the people who are too stupid to get
>	treatment for an infection. Evolution at work, so to speak.
>
>
>		-Karl

Does that mean that Jim Henson dying of pneumonia because he wanted to
wait until Monday to see a doctor for his flu was also evolution in
action?

Does that mean that waiting two days to see a health plan doctor
instead of paying $200 to go to an emergency room for what seems to 
be a simple problem is suicidal? 

I'm not a doctor.  I don't even play one on the Net.  Some things can
go wrong that a normal person, using normal intelligence, won't
recognize.  That's why doctors go to school...  

Sorry, Karl, whoever you are, but you've just made a jerk out of
yourself in front of thousands of people.

 - Aliza R. Panitz
  buglady@silver.lcs.mit.edu
From: lemaire@redx.washington.edu (Edward M. O'Brien)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: An X on my Y
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:04:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug19.210425.12030
Organization: UW Information Systems

There was a time when a lot of the people I hung out with were
getting tattoos.  I was always a bit cynical of them.  They would rant
and rave about how this Celtic cross was deeply significant to them,
or how this Greek swastika was deeply symbolic of the eternal significance
of blah, blah, blah.  I mean how could the average person know what would
be meaningful to them for the rest of their lives?  My cynicism led me
to get a tattoo of an "X" as in an algebraic X, on my arm.  Let X= anything anyone wants it to equal.  Whether it be love, hate or 42.  Because X could
mean anything at all, it means nothing.  Now I have nothing at all tattooed
on my arm.  That is, however, something.  So, after getting a tattoo 
because I thought symbolic tattoos were stupid, I have become the target
of my own cynicism.  No harm, I loved getting my tattoo, and I like it very much.  Also, when people ask why I got my tattoo I love telling them, "No reason whatsoever."  If people ask at all, most of the time they just think it means: 1) I like the band X, 2) I sell XTC,  "X marks the Spot".  Which is all rather amusing to me.


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|(206)543-5970                 | a quote by an author or lyricist I   |
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From: lrb@alex.ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: Re: Rumor or reality?
Organization: Robarts Research Institute, London Canada.
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 16:21:39 GMT
Keywords: n

In article <1992Aug22.180743.17435@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> buglady@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Aliza R. Panitz) writes:
>In article <16pfloINNo2a@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks) writes:
>>	But see, that's a GOOD thing. 
>>	It quickly kills of the people who are too stupid to get
>>	treatment for an infection. Evolution at work, so to speak.
>Does that mean that Jim Henson dying of pneumonia because he wanted to
>wait until Monday to see a doctor for his flu was also evolution in
>action?
in a sad way yes, Henson was a workaholic. workaholism can be 'inherited' from
your parents. not genetically, but rather enviromentally. I know I got it
from my dad who got it from his. I just took my first real vacation in 4 years.
I have enough holidays saved up to take off until the U.S. thanksgiving (about
90 days or so).

>I'm not a doctor.  I don't even play one on the Net.  Some things can
>go wrong that a normal person, using normal intelligence, won't
>recognize.  That's why doctors go to school...  
no, that's why people still die of treatable afflictions...

>Sorry, Karl, whoever you are, but you've just made a jerk out of
Sorry Ma'am, but it shore seems laike you've got a burr up your saddle.

-- 
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From: cgw@sol.acs.unt.edu (christopher williams)
Subject: Re: Something to consider before you tattoo
Originator: cgw@sol
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:49:29 GMT

In <8179.14829@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM> jane@soave.swdc.stratus.com (Jane Beckman) writes:
>>From the Weekly World News:
>>
>>JEALOUS WIFE BITES OFF HUBBY'S TATTOO - AND SPITS IT OUT!
>>
>>Dolores Reeves hated the big red heart tattooed on her hubby's
>>arm so she got rid of it once and for all - she bit it off and
>>spit it out!
>
>Just imagine what it would have been like if he'd had the
>lady's portrait done on his arm, rather than merely a heart
>with a name!

... or if it had been a penile tatoo. (ObPain)

>--
>  Jilara   [jane@swdc.stratus.com]
>
>I've worn high-heeled pointed-toed fashionable shoes for the past 
>twenty years, and you ask me about if *getting tattooed* hurt?!

-cgw-

--
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lead programmer/operator, university of north texas  made of dots and lines.