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From: jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A4000 + AIBB = ERROR ?
Date: 13 Oct 92 05:10:08 GMT
Organization: Ostfold College

In article <1992Oct12.171845.1390@msus1.msus.edu> lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (LaMonte Koop) writes:
>
>It means that AIBB 4.5's memory bus port width code is in error...a fact I have
>known about and since corrected some time ago in the later versions. (4.65 is
>the latest as of now...4.55-4.61 had various problems and were 'jump-start'
>releases..4.65 is the current true release).

Ok, thanks ... but someone pointed out that it's impossible to
determine the 'Bus Port Size' via software, is this true ? If
not, can you briefly describe how it's done ?

>                 ----------------------------------------
>           LaMonte Koop -- SCSU Electrical/Computer Engineering
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From: aites@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jim Aites)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:55:17 GMT
Subject: Re: What can I do with a bad HD
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware

RE: what to do with a HD having bad sectors...and getting worse!

     (waving a hand in the air...AND having tounge-in-cheek)

I know!  Sell the BROKEN HD to *me* for $10.  If I can fix it, I will do one
of the following:

1) sell it back to you for $50  (huh?)
2) keep it myself (I need some extra storage anyway)
3) use it as a paperweight...assuming it's usless.

Deal?  ;')

Jim 8')s
aites@hpsmpa.lvld.hp.com

PS - Just thought I'd offer.
~
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: New Amiga(s) Expansion/Future
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:07:04 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <OD.6badnetOA92-901-302p0_51529898@piraya.bad.se> Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin) writes:
> 
> > These kinds of posts belong on ADVOCACY!!
> 
> Why? I was under the impression that the comp.sys.amiga.advocacy newsgroup was 
> for people who though that other computers were better than the Amiga, so they 
> could argue with Amiga owners there. Of course the people from C= does not (I 
> assume) read such nonsense, because we already know the real story in those 
> matters. :)

You might wish to consider .advocacy as the place for opinions, commentary and
reviews, and .hardware as the place to discuss actually hardware problems and
compatibility issues.

> I am posting here in order to hopefully give the people at C= some feedback on 
> the A4000, and to get an improved A4000 out! I doesn't realise why this should 
> belong in advocacy, a simple comparsion between different Amiga models.

Fine, it the thread stayed at the level of a simple factual comparison.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:13:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.131831.17708@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>In <Bw31A0.y9@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>>   But you get resolutions higher than 1024x768 (I forget the exact resolution)
>>with 256 colors out of 16M, and resolutions higher than 800x600 with full
>>24-bit TrueColor.  How much would it costs to upgrade an A4000 to these kinds
>>of resolutions?  Quite a lot more than $1000.  Probably more like $2500.
>
>About $400.

   What is the name of the card, and what are the exact specs?  And
where could I get one?

>>   The A2024 monitor sucks anymore.  1008x800 is not all that high of a 
>>resolution, and it is strictly monochrome.  Besides, the A2024 still costs
>>the Earth.
>
>It does 1024x1024 and costs about $200.

   That's for the 50Hz mode, which would flicker intolerably.  The
highest resolution you can get on an A2024 60Hz is 1024x800.

   BTW, where could I get one for $200?

>Michael van Elst
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope)
Subject: Re: [don't] Avoid the Amiga 4000
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:06:10 GMT

>> I cannot understand why some people insist on a de-interlacer for the A4000.
>> Why on earth is it needed if it can be done in software?  As an A3000 owner,
>> I can attest to the fact that it is a great hack, but there are many little
>> annoyances that I'll be glad to be rid of.  The pointer breaking up, the
>> damn half-line flicker, the shimmer on cold mornings (of course I haven't

>Well, people probably bitched when they stopped putting tail fins on cars
>even though they weren't really sure why the needed them.  On the other
>hand, the display enhancer is useful if you don't have any alternative.
>Now you have an alternative or you can buy a bolt on tailfin if you wish.

The people who are complaining are the ones who think people pay $3500 for a
really good computer to play games on, as they are about the only things that
won't benefit from soft promotion as they raja the OS pretty well.  Their line
of thought goes that they will have to buy a "bad" 1960 (I think its a great
monitor myself) rather than a "really good 200" one" to use a 740x560 screen
on.  Duh.  And they complain that you need the monitor to sync down to 15 khz
for the software that the OS won't promote (games).  Well you need a monitor to
sync that on an A3000 anyway to use half the screen modes, and playing games
with scandoubling on the A3000 can be a real pain when it scrolls or something
moves at a respectable speed.

>> BTW, no one has said anything about the new hires and superhires sprites.
>> Can the mouse cursor be in one of these modes?  I hope so, as the lores
>> sprite has driven me crazy for years and is very pitiful looking compared
>> to the rest of the Workbench.

>Hardware yes, not sure what the software offers you.

Yes.

>Given the amount of development time it takes to get out new chips and
>software, we had to take a pretty big bite for it to be worthwhile.  It
>boils down to bandwidth, if you can get 2X with 32-bit memory and 2X with
>page mode accesses, then do both for 4X and you can do 8-bit planes in
>any of the modes.

Why didn't you up the pixel clock for higher res with less planes?

>Well, since then A600HD uses a 2.5" IDE drive, one might suspect that any
>other low-end efforts might also support IDE.  IMHO having the machines come
>off the shelf with a hard-drive option increases their utility and ease of
>use by about 10X.

Here here.  I had to use a 1 meg 2 floppy A500 the other day, it was like
stepping into the dark ages....

>Well, it's currently the XXXX, but it's probably change before it gets into
>production.  Maybe you should start a pool on what it turns out to be?  I'm
>not even going to guess about pricing, this is something over which we have
>less control than model numbers.

Think about the price of the A3040 card, then think about the price of the
scsi-ii card.  Are C= going to put a low profile heatsink onto the 040 so that
you can use in in an A3000 without having to remove it?

--
copes@cs.curtin.edu.au
From: John.Haubrich@mtask.omahug.org (John Haubrich)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: A4000 Processor
Date: 10 Oct 92 15:43:56 CST
Reply-To: john.haubrich@mtask.omahug.org
Organization: Multitasking Systems, Kansas City
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.hardware

Someone stated recently that the A4000
had a 68EC040 processor (without MMU or FPU).  Is this true?

Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.hardware:16903 comp.sys.amiga.misc:15013
From: slb1b@cc.usu.edu (Holographic Banana)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga-IBm file transfer
Date: 12 Oct 92 10:00:54 MDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Utah State University

In article <92286.134417E63256@TRMETU.BITNET>, <E63256@TRMETU.BITNET> writes:
> In article <1992Oct4.232214.5931@dragon.acadiau.ca>, 890530m@dragon.acadiau.ca
> (Darren MacKenzie) says:
>>
>>FelineGrace@cup.portal.com (Dana B Bourgeois) writes:
>>
>>>A null modem cable is (at its simplest) just three wires:
>>
>>> pin 2 --\ /--pin 2
>>>          x
>>> pin 3 --/ \--pin 3
>>
>>> pin 7(?)-----pin 7(?)
>>
>>> Im not sure about pin 7 being the right pin.  It should be a ground pin
>>>anyway.  Sorry, about this.
>>
>>Pin 7 is the ground pin...but it won't (or at least shouldn't) work unless
>>you have a couple other pins jumpered.  Pins 4 and 5 should be shorted on
>>each side (meaning pin 4 touches pin 5); also pins 6,8, and 20 should all
>>be shorted on each side (6-8-20).  This should be enough, along with the


Hmmm.... the three-wire (2x3,3x2,7) setup has worked fine for me for years.

James
From: martini@heaven7.in-berlin.de (Martin P. Ibert)
Subject: Re: More A2024 Questions?
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 08:03:32 GMT
Organization: The Seventh Heaven, Berlin, Germany

stiles@cray.com (John Stiles) writes:
> Will The A2024 monitor work on the A3000 or A4000? 
On an Amiga 3000: Definitely yes, or I wouldn't see this :-)

> What's the screen size of the A2024?
15" (or 1024x1024, depending on if you look from the out- or inside)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: jim@cs.curtin.edu.au (Jim McGrady)
Subject: Using IBM 720k drive on Amiga
Summary: How ?
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 03:27:11 GMT

Hi All

This is very likely an FAQ, but I cant find an answer. Is it possible
to adapt an IBM 720/1440k drive to work on Amiga? If so, where can I get
details (sites?,email?).

Thanks in Advance

Jim
From: vmkiili@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Ville-Matti Kiili)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A4000 graphics
Date: 15 Oct 92 09:26:41 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
: Is this really such a big deal?  I've yet to see a multiscan monitor which
: has no distortion in the extremes of full overscan.  While overscan may be

I have good old Nec Multisync II and it can display maximum overscan in
any resolution without distortions. Of course some resolutions don't
fit on the screen, but there's no distortion.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: dkm@col.hp.com (Dave K. Martin)
Subject: Re: Commodore 1960 monitor problem
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:37:40 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
> I have now had two 1960s and it looks like the pixels are not parallel from
> line to line.                                  
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                                 Can you elaborate on this?
So far my 1960 seems to be ok except for a slight dark smudge in the screen 
(a degaussing should clear this up) and I'd like it to be slightly brighter.
Otherwise the display is fairly crisp and clear.  Much better than the 1084
clone it replaced and many of the VGA monitors I have to use at work.

Dave Martin - dkm@col.hp.com


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: jyork@iastate.edu (Justin York)
Subject: Can anyone suggest a solution?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:30:21 GMT


I have just recently purchased a Mega Midget Racer and now, I have
1M of chip ram and 6M of fast ram. I have discovered that when I open
a window (just about any program opens its own window or screen) the
screen is sometimes garbled, and when I manage to open a shell without
the machine CRASHING, it tells me I have 900+K of chip ram, but the largest
chunk is 16K!!! Does anyone know of a program which could cause this?
Is there a way to de-fragment the memory once it is in this state? I am 
currently running the following programs in my startup:
 
	Sys:System/FastMemFirst 
	c:csa-mmr dram 33.33;moves 2M into address space
	c:SetPatch >NIL: R ;patch system functions
	c:TrackSalve >NIL: 01n ;This removes drive click.
	BindDrivers
	SetClock load
	FF >NIL: -0 ;speed up Text
	Ares c:Execute
	mount newcon:
	sys:Virus/VirusZ/VirusZ
	dmouse >NIL:
	powersnap >NIL:
	Ashell >nil: window con:0/0/2/2 from S:StartupII
	wait >NIL: 5 mins ;wait for StartupII to complete (will signal when done)
	SYS:System/SetMap usa1 ;Activate the ()/* on keypad
	path ram: c: sys:system s: sys:prefs sys:Utilities sys:Utils/ add;
	LoadWB
	wait >NIL: 1 sec
	endcli >NIL:

Does anyone know which one (or combination) of these could be the problem?
I am using the ARP commands in place of many AmigaDos, and the StartupII 
file only does assigns.
					Please send responses to:
					jyork@iastate.edu
From: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Is it silly to buy a
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:45:24 GMT
Reply-To: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Organization: ANet Test Bench, Karlstad, Sweden
OD-Comment-To: Internet_Gateway

> until January where it gets an even faster and more flexible SCSI-II
> controller.

And less money, and one less Zorro slot.

> isn't needed as the 'wast array of applications that use Hires/Interlace'
> get a nice non-interlaced DblPAL or DblNTSC screen.

"Nice" - If a 27000+ pixels smaller screen if what you call nice, then fine. I 
don't think anyone will call that an upgrade, though, when it comes to working 
with most applications.

> Nope. An A3000 + 040 board is more expensive

WRONG! You can get that for about $2500, the A4000 goes for $2800 or whatever, 
mail-order. And you have to add they new flashy SCSI-II host adaptor, which 
price is yet unknown, which even further increases the price. And with the 
A3000, you can buy the A3000 first for $1500 (including Scala MultiMedia!), 
and then *later* buy the rest, i.e. the '040 card. The A3000/040 is cheaper, 
there's simply no use in continuing to deny that.

> And you get (nearly) the same resolution on the A4000.

Nearly isn't good enough...it's supposed to be an upgrade!

> Fascinating, as you said above that you will usually not use 256 color
> displays and prefer 4 color applications.

I said I do not need it. That's a very different thing, as compared to 
actually using them. Seems you like you missed that vital difference. I 
currently have a one bitplane dual-playfield picture "genlocked" onto my 
Workbench. I dones't really need it. But, it's neat.

> Why would you do that ? To impress friends with 256 color icons ?

Is that what you use your computer for, or any other things for that matter? 
Sorry, I would use it for my own personal pleasure. 16 colours for the 
Workbench isn't unreasonable on the A4000. And then, a 16 colour dual-
playfield picture would be nice. Eight bitplanes.

Already, the CHIP RAM of my A3000 can go as low as 400Kb sometimes. The A4000 
would consume even more in my hands. More than 2Mb, in fact. How that is 
supposed to be accompished...:)

> You should read the documentation....

Fine, I'd love a copy. Do you want my address? :)

If there's one thing I do find fascinating, it's your need to defend the A4000 
to a ridicilous point. You even have gone so far as stating that only current 
A3000 owners would use a SCSI interface, which is... I can't find words... I 
guess if C= had left out the CPU, you would have said "But who needs the CPU, 
when we have the AGA chips, right?!". ;)

                        _       .    __
    Roger Nordin     _ //      /!Net /est Bench
 2:203/602.0@fidonet \X/  Internet: Roger_Nordin@bad.se

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From: jmpiazza@acsu.buffalo.edu (Joseph M. Piazza)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: What SIMM32 for a GVP Combo board??
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:24:20 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <35644@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:

>...  Anyway, far as
>I know, the IIfx is the only machine in the world to use that kind of SIMM.

	Just for the record, the LaserWriter IINTX also used them.

Flip side,

	joe piazza

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From: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: A4000 graphics
Date: 14 Oct 92 06:59:33 GMT
Reply-To: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Organization: ANet Test Bench, Karlstad, Sweden
OD-Comment-To: Internet_Gateway

> Is this really such a big deal?  I've yet to see a multiscan monitor which
> has no distortion in the extremes of full overscan.  While overscan may be
> neat for NTSC and PAL, it is not so useful on multiscan/VGA/SVGA monitors
> and is not really needed.

How wrong!!

Any multisync monitor will have size adjustmentions. It is also a *well* known 
fact that a SVGA monitor with the Amiga will leave a black border around the 
display, perhaps 0.5" on each side.

Thus, the picture is nowere near the "extremes" as you seem to suggest! The 
overscan display on a normal TV set will be limited, but *not* on an average 
multisync or (S)VGA monitor. I have yet to see such a monitor! Even the A1960 
from C= will run fine to the "extremes".

Yes, if this is the screen mode you will be using mostly, this *is* something 
to think about, and not just ignore. 445 characters less on-screen is worth 
considering for any programmer, or anyone else using many text applications (
like the editor I'm typing this into right now, for example).

                        _       .    __
    Roger Nordin     _ //      /!Net /est Bench
 2:203/602.0@fidonet \X/  Internet: Roger_Nordin@bad.se

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg)
Subject: Re: A4000 + AIBB = ERROR ?
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 16:42:30 GMT

jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN) writes:

>I just saw a report generated by AIBB 4.5 on an A4000
>and it said that the chip ram had 'Bus Port Size = 16 Bit'.

>What's that suppose to mean ?

  It means that it is not possible to detect bus widths from software...

>*JORN* (email : jorngh@sofus.dhhalden.no)
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From: csg019@cck.coventry.ac.uk (-~=Zaphod=~-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: How many Amigas???
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:12:33 GMT
Organization: Coventry University

In article <ad99s461.4hbv@sycom.mi.org> ad99s461@sycom.mi.org (Alex Deburie) writes:
>I seem to remember hearing there are 3.7 million Amigas worldwide. Is this 
>correct? I thought the 3 mil mark was passed some time ago, around the intro 
>of the A3000 - only 700,000 new machines seems rather, well, dismal :^( 

Commodre UK recon there are over 1,000,000 amigas in the UK alone.

Thats a lot of amigas on a little island!



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From: bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: AA sound chip. Specs?
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:02:17 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
> bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>>        If I'm not mistaken, DSPs normally have 2 or 4 channels.
>
> You are mistaken. A DSP has no (audio) channel at all.

        I didn't explain myself properly. I wasn't referring to dedicated
audio channels, just data channels (which could be used for audio).

>>to 1: improve Paula to raise the base level of functionality, and
>>2: add another Paula, or a Paula compatible, dedicated D/A chip
>>on the DSP card. Paula compatibility/emulation keeps things clean for
>>audio.device, and the ability to add a multi-voice sound chip to a
>>DSP card gives A3000 owners an audio upgrade path (and A2000 owners
>>if a Zorro2 version is released).
>
> But Paula compatibility doesn't bring you 16bit samples and the
> structure of audio.device is currently limited to 8 channels.

        Why can't a 16 bit D/A be capable of backwards compatibility
with the 8 bit D/A in Paula, hmmm? As for audio.device, it's software,
so rewrite it.

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From: liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz (Liam Greenwood)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Does an Adaptec 4000A work on a A590/A2091
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:09:22 GMT+12
Organization: It's Home, really...
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

    Does an Adaptec 4000A MFM --> SCSI card work with the A590/A2091
controller? I have access to some MFM drives....

    Sorry if you read this in c.s.a.applications, I had some finger trouble
with TIN and my cron beat me to the posting (...it sent it before I noticed
I had faux paux'ed).

                        Thanks, Liam
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: gerber@orion.astro.uiuc.edu (Richard A. Gerber)
Subject: Re: A4000 + AIBB = ERROR ?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:47:33 GMT

In <1992Oct13.182535.1399@msus1.msus.edu> lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (LaMonte Koop) writes:

>In article <Bvwzqv.Ksx@lysator.liu.se>, boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg) writes:
>>jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN) writes:
>>
>>>I just saw a report generated by AIBB 4.5 on an A4000

Has someone posted the AIBB results for an A4000? I'd really like to see
them if some kind soul could e-mail or post them. I'm very curious to
see the floating point results.


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