HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: garrick@kpc.com (Garrick Le)
Subject: Re: Doing business in VN
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:11:02 GMT


In article 13658 luong@fps.com (Luong Nguyen-Duy) wrote:
>It seems that in general we dislike people who do business in/with Vietnam.
>Could someone give me the reasons, please ?  The majority of us we want
>capitalism in VN, and these people are doing just that -- business.
>There seems to be a contradiction here.  On the one hand we want
>capitalism; on the other we scorn those who practices it.
>capitalism; on the other we scorn those who practices it.
>
>
>Luong Nguyen-Duy
Luong,can you think a little bit better? It is plain and simple why despite
the fact that most of us advocate and support capitalism,we on the other
hand despise those who are doing business with the Vietnamsese government,
since doing so would indirectly help sustaining the communist regime there.
All the cash flow and trading definitely keeps the VN governmeent alive
due to extra revenues and taxes that they (the VC) collect.
So we ONLY scorn those who practice capitalism in the wrong place at the
wrong time,whose only purpose is their own profit regardless of whatever
damage they might have done to the cause of democracy and freedom of VN.
DO NOT confuse our support for capitalism with our hatred of those who have
had business dealings with the VC since those are the ones supporting
communism,whether intentionally or not.

Garrick Le

Disclaimer: All opinions expressed are mine.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
From: jdn@sbctri.sbc.com (John D. Nguyen)
Subject: [TRAVEL] Places to See, Things to do in LA
Organization: Southwestern Bell Technology Resources, St.Louis, MO
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 16:55:13 GMT

Hello SCV Netters;
I will be in LA for a few days next week and need your advises
on places to see and things to do while I am in town.  Thanks.
John Nguyen
P.S. Also, where are hippest clubs to hang out?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
From: tran@haldne.biogen.lsumc.edu (lieu d. tran)
Subject: Re: Re: va`i va^`n.....tha^?n tho*
Originator: daemon@media-lab.media.mit.edu
Reply-To: tran@haldne.biogen.lsumc.edu
Organization: N/A
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:41:14 GMT



    >> Ngu*o*`i o*i ! ngu*o*`i bie^'t hay kho^ng nhi?....!?
    >> No^~i nho*' da^ng le^n mo^~i mo^.t nhie^`u....
    >>         Ngu*o*`i kho^ng be^n ca.nh , sao to^i to?....
    >>         To? no^~i lo`ng to^i :..."To^i nho*'...ngu*o*`i".

                                        B.M



     >     Ngu*o*`i o+i to^i cu~ng nho+' ngu+o+`i...
     >     Nho+' mo^i mo.ng ddo?, nu. cu+o+`i co' duye^n
     >     Nho+' ddo^i ma('t a'nh ha.t huye^`n
     >     Nhi`n to^i ba^'t cho+.t.... ro^`i lie^`n quay ddi

     
                                   N.B.

   
                Ngu*o*`i o*i ! ngu*o*`i bie^'t hay kho^ng nhi?....!?
                No^~i nho*' da^ng le^n mo^~i mo^.t nhie^`u....
                Ngu*o*`i be^n ca.nh kho^ng sao to^i to?....
                To? no^~i lo`ng to^i :..."To^i nho*'...ngu*o*`i".
 
                                           LDT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
From: aria@hardy.u.washington.edu ()
Subject: [misc]
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:51:25 GMT

hello every body

This is for all of you who seem not to see the light at the end of the
turnel, especially cho ta^'t ca? ca'c ba.n dda~ ra tru+o+`ng ma` chu+a
kie^'n ddu+o+.c vie^.c va` ddang bi. nha` bank ddo`i tie^`n students loans.
Hoa.c ddang tha^'t nghie^.p!


                            PRESS ON

      Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence.
      Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful
      men with talent.  Genius will not; unrewarded genius is
      almost a proverb.  Education alone will not; the world
      is full of educated derelicts.  Persistence and determination
      alone are omnipotent.

                                   w1-609-89


Ba.n hie^`n o+i, ha~y co^' ga('ng le^n, ddu+`ng cha'n ddo+`i, cho du` ta chi?
co`n co' hai ba`n tay tra('ng nhu+ng ddu+`ng bao gio+` dda'nh ma^'t nie^`m tin,
dda'nh ma^'t nie^`m hy vo.ng.  Chu'c ba.n nhie^`u may ma('n nhe', co`n b.x.
thi` I don't need luck, I need miracle!!!!

......bie^?n xanh............................................................




_____________________________________________________________________________
sediment...........sediment.............sediment.............sediment........
From: vnguyen@tango.next.com (Vincent Nguyen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: Re: Summary: la`m sao chuye^?n tie^`n qua` dde^'n tra.i ty. na.n an toa`n
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:02:01 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.021557.12514@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au>  
tran@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (Liem Tran) writes:
> 
> Ma^'y ho^m tru+o+'c to^i co' ho?i ve^` vie^.c go+?i tie^`n qua` sang tra.i
> ty. na.n sao cho an toa`n. 
> 
> Nguye^n va(n:
> 
> To^i co' mo^.t ngu+o+`i cha'u hie^.n ddang ke.t o+? tra.i ty. na.n Pulau  
Galang I. DDa~ nhie^`u la^`n to^i go+?i tie^`n va` qua` dde^`u bi. ma^'t. Ne^'u  
ca'c
> anh chi. na`o bie^'t ca'ch go+?i sao cho an toa`n la`m o+n chi? du`m.
> 
> Tha`nh tha^.t ca'm o+n,
> 
> TL.
> ---------------


Hay la` lie^u` go+?i thu+? tie^`n ma(.t ( cash ) xem sao.
Vi~nh dda~ go+?i ca'ch thu+'c nhu+ sau o+? nhu+~ng
no+i xa`i lua^.t ru+`ng nhu+ Vie^.t Nam va` ca'c trai.
ty. na.n :

1/ Du`ng gia^'y ba.c mo?ng ( aluminum ) ga^'p tie^`n o+? 
giu+~a (one bill only), go+?i chung vo+'i thu+. La`m sao 
cho go.n, nhe. va` go+?i thu+ thu+o+`ng.

2/ Mua 2 postcard gio^'ng nhau, da'n cho^`ng le^n nhau o+? 
ba ca.nh ( nho+' xai` keo tha^.t to^'t ) bo? tie^`n vao` giu+~a 
(one bill only) ro^`i da'n ca.nh co`n la.i. Vie^'t va`i chu+~ 
dde^? signal bo? trong bi` thu+ va` go+?i thu+ thu+o+`ng.
 
Good luck

-Vincent-
From: lethien@ESKIMO.enet.dec.com (NoLordShallStandsBeforeMyself,IamDeicide)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: Re: Re: [music] One more try - by Timmy T (for k)
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:43:49 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation. Hudson, Massachusetts


In article <28JUL199209401936@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov>, folduon@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov writes...
>In article <_qmm5wl.nvt@netcom.com>, nvt@netcom.com (Fam Com) writes...
>>*>In article <92208.192938U55041@uicvm.uic.edu>, Thu.c Quye^n <U55041@uicvm.uic.edu> writes...
>>*>>     The song is so touching.
>>*>>>     This song has always been one of my favorites.
>>*>>>     Thanks for posting this song.
>>*>> 
>>*>>     Best Regards,
>>*>> 
>>*>>       TQ
>>*
>>*
>>*>	There's no second chance.  So, there isn't another try.
>>*>	The song means nothing to me.  However, the music is good.
>>*
>>*        heehee why not???  There's always another CHANCE!!! :-)
>>*
>>*>m.l.
>>*
>>*F-A
>>*
>>         Nah!!!!  Opportunity knocks only once, there is NO second chance !!!
>> 
>>							NVT
> 
>	Thank you for agreeing.
> 
>m.l.

	You're very much welcome :)))


I_have_always_loved_three_things_and_never_understood:Art_Music_Women

Ngo^`i buo^`n ddo^'t ddie^'u thuo^'c tho+m
Kho'i bay nghi ngu't cha(?ng tho+m chu't na`o
Kho'i bay le^n ta^.n Thie^n Ta`o
Ngo.c Hoa`ng pha'n ho?i :
"Tha(`ng na`o hu't thuo^'c tho+m ?"

   L a`m da(m chai Budweiser cho ddo+`i vui tre?
   E m Miller, tra'ch nhe.: anh dda~ say 

   P ho' ma(.c ddo+`i, Becks kia tha ho^` uo^'ng

   T hu+o+ng em nhie^`u, Molsen o+i co' bie^'t
   H o^`n tha^~n tho+` bo+?i Slitz men cay
   I m va('ng qua' Heineken, anh lie^n ho^`i tu bo? "Tuborg"
   E a^'p be^n mi`nh, na`ng Michelob me^'n ye^u
   N hu+ Bia uo^'ng hoa`i ma` va^~n kho^ng say !
From: lethien@STRATA.enet.dec.com (NoLordShallStandsBeforeMyself,IamDeicide)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: Re: [misc]
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:07:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation. Hudson, Massachusetts


In article <24JUL199209403234@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>, folduon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov writes...
>>hi Huynh,
>>
>>I believe we can understand women/girls a lot if we remind ourselve that they 
>>have feelings, needs, wories, fears, disappointments, they can feel happy,
>>hurt, lonliness, rejected, etc...
>>Ba.n thu+? nghi~ cuo^.c ddo+`i se~ dden to^'i, the^ tha?m to+'i dda^u ne^'u
>>tra^`n gian na^`y chi? co' toa`n la` gio^'ng ddu+.c ru+.a tho^i?!!!???
>>
>>...........bie^?n xanh.......................................................
>>
> 
>	Ba.n thu+? nghi~ cuo^.c -do+`i se~ trong sa'ng, vui ve~ to+'i -da^u
>	ne^'u tre^n tra^`n gian na^`y kho^ng co' gio^'ng -du+.c ru+.a. :-))

    Ba.n thu+? nghi~ ne^'u tra^`n gian na`y kho^ng co' gio^'ng ddu+.c ru+.a
    at all va` ba.n la` gio^'ng ca'i thi` surely ba.n se~ missing something
    ra^'t important trong cuo^.c ddo+`i cu?a ba.n :)))))))))))))))))
 	

I_have_always_loved_three_things_and_never_understood:Art_Music_Women


Ngo^`i buo^`n ddo^'t ddie^'u thuo^'c tho+m
Kho'i bay nghi ngu't cha(?ng tho+m chu't na`o
Kho'i bay le^n ta^.n Thie^n Ta`o
Ngo.c Hoa`ng pha'n ho?i :
"Tha(`ng na`o hu't thuo^'c tho+m ?"

   L a`m da(m chai Budweiser cho ddo+`i vui tre?
   E m Miller, tra'ch nhe.: anh dda~ say 

   P ho' ma(.c ddo+`i, Becks kia tha ho^` uo^'ng

   T hu+o+ng em nhie^`u, Molsen o+i co' bie^'t
   H o^`n tha^~n tho+` bo+?i Slitz men cay
   I m va('ng qua' Heineken, anh lie^n ho^`i tu bo? "Tuborg"
   E a^'p be^n mi`nh, na`ng Michelob me^'n ye^u
   N hu+ Bia uo^'ng hoa`i ma` va^~n kho^ng say !
From: hoaluong@diva.berkeley.edu (Howard Cam Luong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: Help!
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:20:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: diva.9207232220.AA21333
Reply-To: hoaluong@diva.Berkeley.EDU


Does anyone know Vinh Thang from Fullerton, California or his
whereabout?  I got the following message for him from the
graduate office in my school.  Please forward to him or let
me know how to contact him.  Thanks.

Hoa.
hoaluong@diva
510-649-8247 (apartment)
510-642-0502 (office)

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From: thiebaut@hera.berkeley.edu (Genevieve Thiebaut)
Message-Id: <9207231033.AA02794@hera.Berkeley.EDU>
To: hoaluong@argon.berkeley.edu
Subject: Help!
Status: RO

Someone in our department sent a TE01 envelope to a person by
the name of Vinh THANG living in Fullerton, California. The
envelope came back because Vinh Thang had moved without
leaving a forwarding address. I opened the envelope and found
a letter in Vietnamese with a very old photo of Vinh Thang's 
ancesters (a vietnamese student translated the letter).  As
I think an old family picture is important, I am trying to find 
the sender to return him/her the envelope. Thank for any help
you can give.

genevieve
From: hho@aludra.usc.edu (** N.T.K.C.D. ***)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: Re: Du.ng cu. ddo ma('t
Date: 21 Jul 1992 16:18:30 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Jul21.202511.23917@news.media.mit.edu> phamc@smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil writes:
>          Chanh ddang kie^'m du.ng cu. ddo ma('t cho mo^.t ngu+o+`i
>          ba.n ho.c ve^` ma('t.
>          If anybody has any idea where to find this kind of
>          equipment and what is it call, or even better a catalog on
>          different types, please let me know.

Optometry???
If he/she is in the Opto School (like UCB or SouthernCal at Fullerton),
the bookstore should have the information. I know some school don't
have the equipments on sale at the school. The best bet is to contact
the upper class buy used or contact the student association at the
school for help.. SOmetime they will organize a class buy where
the student get together and buy in quantities. DDon't worry, once
you are registered as a student at the Opto school, all kind of
junks mail (catalogs etc) will fill your mailbox..

If he/she is an optician (not Doctor of Optometry), contact the local
optician association. They will help in getting your name on the
mailing lists for trade junks.

Good Luck
H.

-- 
*******************************************************************************
Hung P. Ho, Jr. (John)     USC DENTISTRY    PH.SYSTEMS          CCCOGP  
                           hho@usc.edu      hung@phsys.com      hung@cccogp.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
From: aria@hardy.u.washington.edu ()
Subject: Re: Spratly Islands
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:51:32 GMT


no'i to'm la.i, cu~ng chi? vi` ma^'y ddu+'a nha` gia^`u bo? tie^`n ra khai 
tha'c da^`u lu+?a o+? spratly, ma` khie^'n ca?nh ca' nho+'n nuo^'n so^'ng ca' 
be'!!  tie^n su+ nha` no'.


.........b.x..........................
From: hoalekb@eb4ts1.EBay.Sun.COM (Kevin Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: toan' hoc.
Date: 21 Jul 1992 14:51:06 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: hoalekb@eb4ts1.EBay.Sun.COM (Kevin Lee)
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb4ts1.ebay.sun.com


                Cal-cu-lus chang gi la kho
                In-te-gral cung chi cho han
                Sine doi huyen cos ke cung xong
                Neu rac roi thi co Partial
                Con dung log thi da co form

                Nhung course Yeu thi that la kho
                Vi cong thuc thi khong nhat dinh
                Va bai toan co nhieu dap so
                Formula thoi gian kho hieu
                I-den-ti-ties nhieu vo ke
                Khong limit nen di vo han
                Converge, Diverge thi tuy luc
                Neu converge thi em da chiu
                Con diverge that la kho thuong
                Gac but nghien dem ve nam mong
                Lai F5 vao cuoi ky thi.




		

 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
From: v-nguyen@cis.ohio-state.edu (Viet-Anh V Nguyen)
Subject: Re: Spratly Islands
Originator: v-nguyen@retina.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:27:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.144535.13862@news.media.mit.edu> quangl@tabasco.sps.mot.
com (Quang Le) wrote:

|>   Have not heard of before.  Maybe you have mistaken it for another island
|>   which is much closer to Malaysia.   About the landing strip, China is
                                                                  ^^^^^^^^
|>   currently building (or have built) an airfield in another island group
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|>   just north of Spratley.  That island group was taken from from Vietnam
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|>   over a crash with the vietnames forces.
|>

>Vietnam and Taiwan each already have a landing strip, but only for small aircrafts.
>In case of war, only Vietnam have capability to bombard the area with bombers
>and fighters from Bien Hoa airbase, 400 miles away. Without a carrier, China
                                                                        ^^^^^
>could
>^^^^^
>not deliver their aircrafts to the area about 1000 miles from Hainan. They
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> didn't  

>have know-how in in-flight refill either. But as soon as a war breaks out, oil
>companies currently doing off-shore exploration will pull out of the area. Vietnamese
>economy will be hurt badly. That is why Vietnam tried to avoid a war as much as 
>she could. 
>
>Regards,
>Quang Le


Yes, Quang, that is true. However, according to Won Soon's post, China has been
building an airstrip at the Paracels, the islands they took by force from the
Vietnamese in 1974,  which lie between the Hainan Island and the Spratlys. So
they are getting closer...

Vietanh Nguyen
From: luong@fps.com (Luong Nguyen-Duy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: Doing business in Vietnam (was Re: Embargo & Normalization ( second poll ))
Date: 23 Jul 92 02:23:01 GMT
Organization: Cray Research Superservers Inc., San Diego CA, USA

In article <1992Jul22.231100.22598@news.media.mit.edu> bui@berlioz.nsc.com writes:
>
>Not all, but among those who favor unconditional lifting of the embargo
>are those who have business dealing with VN, or family ran business. Their
>main concern is profit.
>

It seems that in general we dislike people who do business in/with Vietnam.
Could someone give me the reasons, please ?  The majority of us we want
capitalism in VN, and these people are doing just that -- business.
There seems to be a contradiction here.  On the one hand we want 
capitalism; on the other we scorn those who practices it.
So I am confused to the distrust/hatred/dislike toward them.


Luong Nguyen-Duy
From: nguyen@airmics.gatech.edu (Son Nguyen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: Re:  Report ( demonstration on Sat. 7/18/92)
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:53:35 GMT
Reply-To: nguyen@airmics.gatech.edu
Organization: N/A
Originator: daemon@media-lab.media.mit.edu


Tha^n cha`o anh DDi.nh,

To^i co' mo^.t tha<'c ma<'c du+o+'i dda^y nho+` anh chuye^?n la.i o^ng
LS. Nguye^~n Hu+~u Tho^'ng:

 > >      Va`o lu'c 12 gio+` tru+a nga`y thu+' ba^?y ,7/18/92 vu+`a qua,ta.i so^'
 > >     70 W. Hedding St., Dowtown San Jose die^~n ra 1 buo^?i bie^?u ti`nh.
 > >      so^i no^?i do U?Y BAN DDA<.C NHIE^.M CHO^'NG TUYE^N TRUYE^`N BA~I
 > >      BO~ CA^'M VA^.N DDO^'I VO+'I CO^.NG SA?N VIE^.T NAM to^? chu+"c.
 > >     ...

 > >      Die^~n gia? cuo^'i  cu`ng, Lua^.t su+ Nguye^~n Hu+~u Tho^'ng,thuo^.c
 > >    ho^.i Lua^.t gia Vie^.t Nam dda~ tha'ch thu+"c Vie^.t co^.ng to^? chu+"c
 > >    1 cuo^.c tru+ng ca^`u da^n y' ( referendum ) o+? Vie^.t Nam xem da^n
 > >    chu'ng co' co`n u?ng ho^. che^' ddo^. Vie^.tco^.ng nu+~a hay kho^ng
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Co' pha?i o^ng LS. Ng~ hu+~u Tho^'ng dda~ a'm chi? la` da^n chu'ng Vie^.t Nam
tru+o+'c kia dda~ u?ng ho^. che^' ddo^. Vie^.t Co^.ng kho^ng?

 > >    ( referendum will be conducted by United Nations ).
 > >     ...

 > >      Cu~ng trong buo^?i na`y, mo^.t thi?nh nguye^.n thu+ ( petition)
 > >    Dde^? ke^'t thu'c chu+O+ng tri`nh, ddoa`n ngu+O+`i dda~ ca^`m co+`
 > >  Vie^.t- My~, va` ca'c kha^?u hie^.u Vie^.t My~ ddi tua^`n ha`nh chung quanh
 > >  khu bie^?u ti`nh.
 > > 
 > >     Chu+o+ng tri`nh cha^'m du+'t va`o lu'c 2:15' cu`ng nga`y.
 > > 
 > > *************************************************************************
 > > 
 > >   Gooday!
 > > 
 > > nguyend.

Theo to^i ddu+o+.c bie^'t tu+` xu+a dde^'n gio+` Vie^.t Co^.ng chi?
du`ng chi'nh sa'ch "tru+o+'c no`ng su'ng" dde^? a'p lu+.c ddo^`ng ba`o
la`m theo nhu+ chu'ng muo^'n.  To^i a'm chi? o+? dda^y la` dda.i dda
so^'.  Co`n ca'i so^' cha.y theo chu'ng, ddo'n gio' tro+? co+` thi`
kha'c.

Xin ca?m o+n anh tru+o+'c.

Good day,

So+n Nguye^~n
From: trib@trib.EBay.Sun.COM ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: Re: Business in Vietnam
Date: 31 Jul 1992 17:18:32 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: trib.ebay.sun.com

In article <1992Jul31.142703.20526@news.media.mit.edu> mtruong@ccs.carleton.ca writes:
> .. stuff deleted
>
>          The Communists have been carrying out all kinds of
>experiments on our people and have been going about it in an
>irresponsible and incompetent fashion.  This so-called capitalism
>within socialism is just another one of those experiments.  If you
>want to be a guinea pig, it's your choice.  Everybody justifies their
>decisions or actions by pointing out that it will do some good to the
>Vietnamese people.  Very few however bother ask the Vietnamese people
>what they actually want.
>
>Have a good weekend
>
>Tri'

Ban. Tri' a`, o+? VN ai cu~ng muo^'n co' bang giao he^'t -do'.  Ta^'t
ca? -de^`u muo^'n co' vie^.t la`m, co' co+m a(n.  Ba?n na(ng to^`n
ta.i cu?a con ngu+o+`i -di tru+o+'c he^'t.  Ha^`u he^'t ngu+o+`i
na`o ve^` VN tha(m cu~ng nha^.n tha^'y -de^`u na`y.

Ca^'m bang giao -de^? -do`i ho?i tu+. do nha^n quye^`n tha^.t ra
ra^'t to^'t.   Tie^'c la` chi? co' My~ ca^'m bang giao tho^i.
Tu.i Ta`u va` ca'c nu+o+'c A' -Do^ng kha'c -da^u co' ca^'m va^.n
vo+'i VN -da^u.  Ho. co`n -da^`u tu+ ba.o nu+?a.  My~ co' ca^'m
va^.n the^m mu+o+`i na(m nu+?a, chi'nh quye^`n Co^.ng Sa?n cu~ng
kho^ng che^'t -da^u vi` cu~ng se~ so^'ng ta.m bo+. nho+` su+.
-da^`u tu+ cu?a ca'c nu+o+'c kha'c.  

Ca'c cu. nga`y xu+a co' ca^u: "Phu' quy' sinh le^? nghi~a".  
Con ngu+o+`i la` nhu+ va^.y -do'.  A(n, uo^'ng, co' cho^?
o+? tru+o+'c.  Sau -do' la` la`m ti`nh -de^? truye^`n gio^'ng.
Ru+?ng mo+? xong ro^`i mo+'i no'i chuye^.n nha^n a'i, tu+. do,
da^n chu?.  

Le? di~ nhie^n la` mi`nh kho^ng ne^n -da^`u tu+ bu+`a ba?i 
kho^ng suy toa'n.  Ba?n cha^'t Co^.ng Sa?n la` lu+`a lo.c.
Pha?i hie^?u -die^`u na`y va` cu~ng pha?i hie^?u la` ne^'u kho^ng
co' phu+o+ng tie^.n, ngu+o+`i da^n VN cu~ng se~ kho^ng no^?i da^.y
-da^u.  

Tre^n -do+`i na`y it' khi co' chuye^.n gi` de^~ da`ng suo^ng
se~ la('m.  Ai cu~ng muo^'n nu+o+'c VN gia`u ma.nh, tu+ do.
Chu'ng ta ne^n luo^n giu+? la^'y -die^`u mo+ u+o+'c na`y,
va` ne^n uye^~n chuye^~n trong mo.i ha`nh -do^.ng.  Be firm
but flexible.

Ta^y -Do^.c 
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From: lyxuan@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: Re: [Tho+] kho^ng tu+.a dde^` (Sans Titre)
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:03:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.165948.11535@gateway.ssf-sys.DHL.COM>, cnguyen@taipan.ssf-sys.dhl.com (Chi Nguyen) writes:
> Tri',
> 
> Exactement, si c'est possible, envoyez moi le poe`me d'Apollinaire.
> 
> Merci.
> Chi'.
> cnguyen@ssf-sys.dhl.com
> 

Hey fellers!

Looky like I'm gonna hafta fetch my old french dictionairy from the attic. 

HandsomeStranger......


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From: v-nguyen@cis.ohio-state.edu (Viet-Anh V Nguyen)
Subject: Re: [EDU] Academic degrees
Originator: v-nguyen@retina.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:08:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.042409.27497@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Duc.Pham@dartmouth.edu (Duc Pham) wrote:

>> >My question is do we call them "Tie^'n Si~" or Ky? SU+? heheheheh
>> >:-))
>> >H.
>> 
>> 
>> They're engineers (ky? su+)

>This is not accurate, or at least not the common way to refer to
>professionals.  All those who have a doctorate degree are referred to
>as "Tie^'n Si~."  The sole exception is the MD, to distinguish a normal
>MD from an MD/PhD.  Engineers with up to a Masters are referred to as
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>"Ky~ Su*"
 ^^^^^^^^^


That's FUNNY. People do NOT stop being engineers when they get their doctorate
degrees. THEY ARE ENGINEERS STILL, and now since they are also PhD holders, 
they can be addressed as "doctor." And that's the point in my original post.
(Please read it again.) Here's a case in point (all capitalizations are mine):

     Arnold Beckman, who is the founder of Beckman Instrument Inc., got
     a PhD in chemical engineering from UIUC. When he got the NATIONAL
     ACADEMY OF ENGINEERING's 1987 Founders Award, the citation said:
     "for a lifetime of outstanding accomplishment and distinguished
     service to the nation - as ENGINEER, scientist, educator, industrialist,
     and civic leader."

Now, where is the word "doctor" in it? 

Vietanh Nguyen

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