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From: dweinste@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (David Weinstein)
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Organization: /etc/organization
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:03:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.172706.24483@ucunix.san.uc.edu> schectr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (ROBB SCHECTER) writes:
#I agree.  Freedom of speech has to do with a group's interaction with
#   the Federal Government (and states through the due process clause). 
#   
#I don't think I have a responsibility to make sure all of the KKK's speeches
#   marches go on brilliantly...The government (simply a formal representative
#   of 'all' the people) should have no say.
#
#Robb

You don't want to make the KKK's marches a success? That's *exactly* what
you are doing. 

If no one shows up at the rally, they will get perhaps 15 seconds of air
time on the local news; by arranging a counter-protest you will do
nothing but make the Klan look *good*.

Perhaps you should look at the footage of the Denver riot in January,
and realize how you are letting the KK use you...

--Dave


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From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: HOLOCAUST MYTHS
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:14:19 GMT
Organization: MacDTS Mongols

In article <ktd17rINNoss@news.bbn.com>, ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Mar29.162049.12744@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny
Keren) writes:
> 
>    Listen, I have a great suggestion for you guys:
> 
>    After all, you are dealing with history. Write an article about your
>    theories, and submit it to some respectable history journal. Then,
>    kindly post here the article and the responses you got from the
>    referees. This is the common way in which scientific research is
>    presented and evaluted in the academic world.
> 
> You know the answer to that, don't you.  The Je... I mean, Zi-
> Zionists control all the scholarly journals.  So no ``honest''
> revisionist article can be accepted.  Give up arguing with these guys;
> any evidence that goes against them is a lie or a forgery, and any
> setback is the result of J/Z control.  In their ideology, they cannot
> be wrong, therefore they never are.
 
Anyone read Illuminatus or any others of the great conspiracy yawns
would know that one never knows who is controlling who. It might be
that the Zionist secret societies are controlled secretly by the Vatican,
which is actually controlled by a neo-Nazi group which tries to 
spread confusion in order to gain control. Little does the neo-Nazi groups
know that they are controlled by another secret Zionist group.

Also, b-cpu admins don't know that they are secretly controlled by FBI,
who is by the way controlled by a bunch of skinny hacker runts from
Wisconsin. Yeah, and Faust is manipulated by a Jewish Nazi-group,
and Winston is also controlled by a small Templar group, which is
actually manipulated by four-legged animals from Alpha Centaurus using
satellite beams.

Kent
..who is actually secretly controlled by his 11 month old son. Dick
had a couple of nice manipulation stories as well. Anyway, I guess
some people believe in such crap.
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc
From: kk@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Ken Kittlitz)
Subject: Re: HOLOCAUST MYTHS
Organization: University of Calgary
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:57:29

In article <DF4NiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP> pfaust@b-cpu.UUCP (Pete Faust) writes:
   [...].  We have not gassed (a
   new dimension in inhumanity) and do not gas people...any
   people.  Those who knowingly claim we did, knowing we did not
   (THE TRUE WAR CRIMINALS), are being ensnared by THE UNTIRING
   ARM OF HISTORY.

To the best of my knowledge, no one on this thread has claimed
that "being German" is equivalent to "being a Nazi".
Indeed, such a claim would be ridiculous.  However, some Germans
were (and are) Nazis.  As someone of partial German descent, I
wish to dissociate myself from your irrational claims.  Although
my German ancestors migrated to North America nearly a hundred
years ago, I accept the possibility that some of my relatives
living in Germany during World War II may have been Nazis, and
may have contributed to the Holocaust.  (I actually have no idea,
one way or the other).  I am not proud of the possibility, but
neither will I seek refuge behind rationalizations and lies.

And for your information, Mr. Faust, arms don't "snare" anything,
be they untiring or not.

					Ken
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From: karna@pobox.upenn.edu (Animesh Karna)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.individualism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Justice Thomas (was Socialism Security Rides Again)
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:26:26 GMT
Followup-To: alt.activism
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

>And, by the way, this is 
>not to re-open the Thomas-Hill debate, but I thought Thomas was DEAD right in
>his remark about the lynching. Would he have had to suffer like he did had he
>been a Black liberal? I think not. He would have probably had the Judiciary
>committee drooling all over him.

Yes, he would have.  The ONLY difference would be that the people supporting
him and the people attacking him would have been sitting on opposite sides 
of the table.



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Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: mpd@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: CUBA: Congress Lobby Day Apr 7
Organization: Small Business Systems, Incorporated, Esmond, RI  02917
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 02:58:02 GMT

rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:

>Well no wonder you can't get anything done.  You don't know the
>difference between a blockade and an embargo.

Yeah, I asked a while back for a list of the US military forces which
were participating in this "blockade", but didn't get any response.
I wonder why....

MD
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From: ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Socialism Security Rides Again
Date: 12 Apr 92 09:50:28 GMT
Followup-To: alt.activism
Organization: University of Scranton

In article <TOM.92Apr7160843@amber.ssd.csd.harris.com>, tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) writes:
> Wrong. Voting for the majority (to overturn the conviction) were:
> 
>    White, Souter, Thomas, Blackmun, Stevens
>
> Of course, it is possible Thomas voted the way he did because he has
> recently been accused of always voting with Scalia and never making up his
> own mind, so he decided to "show them" (or maybe he wants to make sure the
> post office doesn't catch him in a pornography sting :-).

	Maybe he's really sensative toward sex issues because he *knows* that
any vote/opinion of his will be looked upon with GREAT SCRUTINY in the future
so he's going easy on those nasty perverts...8-}



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University Of Scranton	   |	for whatever reason, is not accomplished,
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From: bpharmon@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: How about an alt.holocaust
Date: 6 Apr 92 01:47:35 GMT
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <1992Apr4.025325.19877@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
> cross-posting. Perhaps so, but at least those RESPONDING to the
> revisionists could be encouraged to follow up to that newsgroup
> ONLY. If they co-operated, we would still see the postings from
> the revisionists, but would cut down greatly on the noise from
> the revisionist bashers. Who knows, maybe if this were adhered to



	Good idea.  Count me in favor.

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Xref: sparky alt.activism:7774 alt.censorship:3335 alt.conspiracy:6394 talk.politics.misc:18421 alt.flame:6922
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.flame
Subject: Re: HOLOCAUST MYTHS
From: kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 03:18:41 GMT
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island
Keywords: nazi trash
Summary: nazi trash is nazi trash...

In article <cHaaJB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP> pfaust@b-cpu.UUCP (Pete Faust) writes:

>     THE GENTLEMAN from Brown University has misquoted me
>again, so I will post the $50,000.00 Offer again.  The quote
>does not end with " crushed", it reads- "crushed by the
>betrayal".  What does he fear by quoting me accurately?

Listen, asshole, and see if it soaks through that demented piece of
shit that serves for a "mind" in your worthless body - you have yet to
post ANYTHING that serves as an "offer," since you flat refuse, again
and again, to respond to a simple question:

Precisely WHO is making this offer, and precisely HOW may we contact
them? Until you are prepared to answer both questions, shove your
phoney "offer" up your ass.

[phoney offer stuff omitted as worthless on face]

>Don't continue to lie and call names.  Fulfill one of the
>requirements and you will receive the $50,000.00.  This is no
>idle offer.

It is, like everything else presented by you and your nazi trash alter
egos, bullshit. Given your demonstrable fear of releasing accurate
information here (see questions above), and the obvious fact that you
are too fucking stupid to offer anyone anything, it seems pretty clear
that this "offer" simply doesn't exist. Not surprising, given the
source.

>Pete Faust
>Institute for Relearning

Just what DID you mean by that crack about "many many innocent Jews",
"Pete?"

...or is that yet another question you and your nazi trash buddies
haven't got the balls to answer?

followups to alt.flame, asshole.
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: mpd@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: Larry Agran IS *NOT* being denied "free speech"
Organization: Small Business Systems, Incorporated, Esmond, RI  02917
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 21:00:03 GMT


aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:

>But suppose I WANT to listen to Larry Agran, or Gene McCarthy, or
>Frank Zappa, or Lyndon LaRouche.

Then you can happily attend any of their numerous rallies and other
public outings.

>As it happens, I'm fortunate 
>enough to have access to usenet, the last uncensored mass medium.

USENET is hardly "uncensored". You don't see many people posting globs
of informational messages from the Buchanan or Bush campaigns. What you
do see is hoards of leftist postings in an attempt to "enlighten" the
masses.

Granted, the censorship is self-imposed, from the perspective that many
conservatives here on USENET don't think that the net should be used as
a political stumping ground for vote-getting. Of course, the liberals
on the other hand feel that, hell, as long as it isn't *their* money, they
might as well publish 40 and 50k "infofiles" on various candidates.

>But suppose I depended solely on TV as so many people do? Where 
>is my right to listen? 

If you depend solely on TV, radio, or mainstream newspapers, then that
is *your* ignorance. You think that the state now has some responsibility
to force people to be aware of every candidate's platform. What next?
The state sending in thought police to make sure each household has
listened and considered every alternative candidate's platform? Your
"right to listen" superceeds other people's right to be choose who they will
listen to?

Personally, I like most of the population to be ignorant and not to vote.
That means my vote counts more. I don't have to worry about ignorant
"pull the party lever" voters coming out in droves that way.

The mainstream media is like any other business. It has a product to
sell to consumers. If most of your consumers are interested in Democrat
or Republican politics, then you will develop your product to suit their
needs. If your consumers could care less about Larry Agran, then he'll sit out
in the cold.

If, on the other hand, an alternative candidate strikes a chord of interest
in the consumer's mind, then you will see that candidate start to get more
coverage. A good example of this is H. Ross Perot, although an "independent"
candidate, has recently been getting tons of press coverage.

So face it. Agran's campaign caters to a few select socialist voters which
make him about as interesting to the mass public as one more fly on a pile of
horse shit.

MD
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From: dlu@wobble.uucp (Doug Urner)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.activism.d,soc.culture.jewish,soc.rights.human,alt.discrimination,alt.society.civil-liberties,alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:57:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: wobble.1992Apr16.015749.2243
Distribution: usa
Organization: dlu UNIX Consultants

dweinste@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (David Weinstein) writes:

>In article <1992Apr13.143832.28733@sarah.albany.edu> mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger) writes:
>#I wonder where they are going to be holding their rally. I'd really be
>#hard put if they got going with speeches and loudspeakers in my
>#neighborhood. What do you suggest, Mr. Kadie, to cool out the
>#neighbors here? How will you make this hatred and implicit violence
>#palatable to the people who are about to be exposed to it?

>The Klan has held a rally in my neighborhood. And repugnant though
>they were, that didn't really present a problem. The counter-protestors
>rioting did. 

>The Klan has been experimenting with new tactics in Colorado, the same
>tactics they plan to use all over the country; the demonstrators are
>rigidly self-controlled, and they will provoke the protestors to
>violence.

How about a large group of equally self-controlled counter
demonstrators who will surround the KKK speakers and stand with their
backs to the Klan, saying nothing.  Seems like that should be a clear
statement to both the Klan, the press and anyone who comes to listen.

>If you go to protest that Klan rally, after everything we had to learn
>the hard way in Denver, you are a fool.

I don't think we can ignore them.  I think that was the mistake of the
'30s.  Times are bad in many places and people will be too willing to
listen to easy answers.  Humans seem to have a weekness for seeking
someone to blame instead of seeking a solution to the problems we are
facing.  No argument that we need to be smarter than Klan but we also
need to go and face (sic) them.
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From: worden@bouncer.nsc.com (Dennis Worden)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.activism.d,soc.culture.jewish,soc.rights.human,alt.discrimination,alt.society.civil-liberties
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:08:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation


> The Klan, like everyone else, has a right to free speech.  They
> do not have a right to be heard.  

> The counter-protesters also have a right to free speech.  If,
> by exercising their right, they drown out the speech of the
> Klan, so be it.

> Susan

Just remember, everytime somebody tries some cute rationalization
like this, it just encourages Big Brother government to try it
out.  How would you like it if you were saying something that
the Feds didn't like, and they tossed your butt in jail everytime
you set up your soapbox rationalizing that you could sermonize
in prison all you wanted, by that you had no right to be heard.
We look down our noses at many countries around the world with
our superior attitudes when they prevent someone from being heard,
yet I see the same attempt to silence somebody being advocated here.
Sounds like an argument for a  Politically Correct First Admendment
to me. 

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: Despite Gov't Siege, Christic Vows to Pursue Murderers of Pres. Kennedy
Keywords: Criminals within the U.S. Government retaliate against Christic Inst.
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:05:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.172711.21554@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) writes:

>This latest nightmare began with a right-wing postcard
>campaign (copy enclosed) -- an engineered manipulation of 
>"public opinion."

For those of you who are new to the net, an "engineered manipulation of 
public opinion" is any public interest campaign that the Cristic
Institute does not like. This is similar to "informing elected officials
about the true beliefs of the people" except that the latter can only
be done by the Cristic Insisitute.

   Allen
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From: dfo@tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,misc.legal
Subject: Re: worse than mailing lists
Date: 8 Apr 92 08:19:11 GMT
Organization: VTT Technical Research Centre of Finland, Oulu

In article <5x1tppm@rpi.edu> wrf@ecse.rpi.edu (Wm Randolph Franklin) writes:
>Concerning junk mail w/o an addressee, or addressed to occupant:

>In some Canadian neighborhoods, the mailboxes are grouped together some
>distance from the houses.  A few years ago, some people asked that trash
>cans be placed there so they wouldn't have to carry the junk mail back
>to their houses to throw it out.  Poste Canada Post refused since that
>would offend their customers.  Not the people, but the junk mailers.

>						   Wm. Randolph Franklin
>Internet: wrf@ecse.rpi.edu                     Bitnet: Wrfrankl@Rpitsmts
>Telephone: (518) 276-6077;  Telex: 6716050 RPI TROU; Fax: (518) 276-6261
>Paper: ECSE Dept., 6026 JEC, Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst, Troy NY, 12180

Here in Finland, anyone can stuff ads into your mailbox.  However, you
can write "No Ads" (in Finnish, of course) on the box and receive
neither the manually delivered ads or junk mail addressed to the
occupant.  Our apartment complex has a recycling bin (much better than a
trash can!) across from the mailboxes that enables people to glance
through the ads and then pitch them (so that they can be made into new
ads. -)

doug foxvog
dfo@tko.vtt.fi
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From: Joe.Francis@dartmouth.edu (Joe Francis)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.individualism,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Justice Thomas (was Socialism Security Rides Again)
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:53:42 GMT
 <1992Apr12.223835.10614@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> 
 <kuhklcINNbn2@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> <rdippold.703147320@cancun> 
 <1992Apr13.163332.17306@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>  
 <rdippold.703198330@cancun>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <rdippold.703198330@cancun>
rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:

> No, it's not an implication that it was intentional or malicious.
> It's an implication that people are going to automatically assume that
> Thomas did the worst possible thing and attack him for it until the
> actual facts come out.

What actaul facts?   Thomas did do "the worst possible thing" in this
case: he declined to afford prisoners 8th amendment protection.  What
are you talking about?
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc
From: eric@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Eric Scott Kuhnen)
Subject: Re: HOLOCAUST MYTHS
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:55:19 GMT

pfaust@b-cpu.UUCP (Pete Faust) writes:
>     Side remark:  Holocausters continue quoting from books
>and other material, full of lies and misleading, deceiving
>material.  A mass media debate or, better still, a series of
>mass media debates by the most knowledgeable, on both sides,
>would expose their lies and deception.  This obviously is why
>there is no debate, at any cost.

Whether or not the "Holocauster continue quoting from books
and other material, full of lies and misleading, deceiving
material" is not issue.  Neither is the risk of exposure the reason
why Zionist-controlled media do not engage in broadcast debates
with their detractors.  Rather, an invitation to debate is an
admittance of legitimacy for both sides--that the Holocausters
and their detractors may have credible evidence against their
opponents.  Without debate, both sides can continue to make assertions
and accusations without the requisite support of evidence needed for
actual debate.

A call for debate also places you in the unenviable position of 
combating public sentiment, since the actual facts necessary to
either position are rotting in the ground.  In the absence of facts,
circumstantial evidence must prevail overwhelmingly against perceived
truth in order to sway public opinion.  Again, the circumstances
are continuing their inexorable slide toward obscurity as Time 
continues to pass.

"Q"

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