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From: u911661@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Mad Mal)
Subject: Re: Why you shouldn't buy Nestle
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 15:37:15 GMT

daniel@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Daniel Bowen) writes:


>[Reprinted from a leaflet from the Baby Food Action Group, part of
>Community Aid Abroad, Victoria, Australia.]

>Nestle, the world's largest producer of powdered baby milk, .....

>-- 
>Daniel Bowen, Monash University |
>            Melbourne Australia |           I think fishing
>   daniel@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au |          is a load of carp.
>      TCWF: tcwf@gnu.ai.mit.edu |                                    [TCWF]

At least they are doing something....what are you doing....

Mal.


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Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: kev@osf.org (Kevin Till)
Subject: Re: DISCOVER card ( MUST READ! )
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:08:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.164126.23639@iplmail.orl.mmc.com>, artc@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Art) writes:
|> About a year ago -> I've learned about a new credit 
|> card that is a great combo. of my AMEX & Discover card:
|> Ford Credit Card!!!
|> Reasons:
|> 
|>                AMEX        DIISCOVER           FORD
|> 
|> memb fee       $55          free               free
|> 90 days prot    Y            N                  Y
|> free ext warr.  Y            N                  Y     
|> (up to 1 yr )
|> travel ins.     Y            Y                  Y
|> rental car ins  Y            N                  Y
|> money back      N         up to 1%            up to 1.5%
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> as ya'll can see -> FORD = AMEX + DISCOVER 
|> anymore question???

	Are you sure Ford gives you rental car insurance? Last I called their
customer service, the answer was no!
-- 
Kevin T. Till	
System Engineering
Open Software Foundation
From: bernard@sirius.gte.com (Bernard Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Whole House H20 filter
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:01:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: GTE Laboratories Incorporated
In-reply-to: patb@meaddata.com's message of 2 Oct 92 13:49:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.134942.10659@meaddata.com> patb@meaddata.com (Pat Berry) writes:

   Has anyone had any experience with the small whole house filters that are
   installed just after your inside service?

   I've seen a few small ones (OMNI brand) advertised from between $39 and $119
   with replacement filters around $6. They are to clean sediment/rust or to 
   clean and purify water, your choice, depending on the filter you buy. They
   look like 3/4" line so it's made for the whole house, not just one outlet.

   Are these filters really big enough to do the job for a family of 4? How about
   purifying well water?

The first step would be to have your water analyzed.  (I used one
of the companies mentioned in Consumers Reports, Jan 1990 I think).
For some types of contamination, filter-based systems are useless.
We paid about $180 for a single-outlet filter, so the prices you
quote seem very cheap!
--
				Bernard Silver
				GTE Laboratories
				bsilver@gte.com
				(617) 466-2663
From: vaccaro@novavax.UUCP (N. Trafford Vaccaro)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: SONY
Keywords: still not buying SONY
Date: 26 Sep 92 06:12:43 GMT
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL

Just in case everyone forgot, SONY still stinks and keep that
in mind when you go X-Mas shopping this year. I haven't
forgotten the 65 dollars it cost me to fix their stupid rubber
band in their tape player...the one that never worked to begin with.



NV
From: bytehead@bluemoon.rn.com (Bryan Price)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: re:waterbed question about heaters
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:36:35 GMT
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])

6648470@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:

> ------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
> In article UenBTEq00WB71Jv6cA@andrew.cmu.edu, "Rudolph R. Zung" <ru+@CMU.EDU>
> >
> >Now, try this with your water bed. You need two people, including yourself.
> >     experiment deleted...
> > No, you are not unlucky. I have had a similar problem with my waterbed.
> >    explanation of magnetic field deleted...
>  Because of the controversy surrounding the effect of magnetic fields on huma
> (thought to increase risk of various cancers, esp. in the young) we put our
> waterber heater on a timer switch.  It is on in the day when we aren't using
> it, and off at night.  Of course that may not work for you...

With my soft-side water bed, I don't even need a water heater.  One didn't 
come with it, and I've found no need for one, even in cold Ohio winters.


Bryan L. Price    bytehead@bluemoon.use.com | 1:226/340.1742 Fido
From: jacquier@gsbsun.uchicago.edu (Eric Jacquier )
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Why you shouldn't buy Nestle
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:33:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Sep27.153304.3767
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

john@zygot.ati.com (John Higdon) writes:

>(Christophe Pettus) writes:
>>Yes, of course the hospital should control it.  It suck big time that
>>they don't.  However, I can't boycott First Municipal Hospital of
>>Brassaville; I can boycott Nestle.

>Wait a minute! Bobby stole my lunch money. But Bobby is six feet six
>and weighs 280 pounds. So I will beat the holy excrement out of Billy
>who sometimes plays with Bobby and who is, conveniently, a 90 pound
>weakling.

Good analogy but here you might have Billy and Bobby reversed.
Big Bobby:  Nestle
Little Billy:  Brazzaville hospital

Brazzaville hospital in that case is the one with few resources
or alternatives. Not enough staff to have effective information
campaigns. But within its walls you can be sure they try to tell
women about the dangers of misuses.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: dks@sr.com (Dave K. Sprow)
Subject: ROOF SEALANT?
Reply-To: dks@srhqla.sr.com (Dave K. Sprow)
Organization: Silent Radio, Los Angeles
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:41:55 GMT

Need some help but don't know if this is the best news group.
My Mom lives alone 3,000 miles away in her own home. She has a problem
with her roof.  It's old and she knows that it will have to be replaced
relatively soon.

She had someone look at it a few months ago and the guy said it would
probably last a couple more years.  He also said he could use a roof
sealant that would extend that to about 5 years.

She got a second opinion from another roofer who said he had been
in the business for 35 years and had never heard of a roof sealant.

Her immediate problem is she just found a shingle on the ground and
from what she could see, it looked like she could see a number of
warped shingles (I don't know the material they're made from).  She's
on a fixed income and needs to wait until March, if at all possible,
to replace the roof.  So she's considering the sealant, but needs
more info (like if this works and is a viable option in her case) but
doesn't know how to get the information.

Can anyone help with this?

thanks,
David S.


Newsgroups: misc.consumers,aus.general
From: yar@cs.su.oz.au (Ray Loyzaga)
Subject: Re: Why you shouldn't buy Nestle
Reply-To: yar@cluster.cs.su.oz (Ray Loyzaga)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:01:07 GMT

In article <ggm.717742066@brolga> ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson) writes:
>
>(3)	somebody mentioned sly feeds of formula 'until the milk comes in'
>	-this is a crock. newborns can survive at least 2 days without
>	milk from birth, if not 3. Inside this time, most  women will
>	have got over the initial startup problems.

Yeah, but the hospitals tend to want to get rid of mother and baby,
and this is usually done when the child has regained its birth weight
or has at least started gaining weight. The ingestion of liquids
is required to help the child expunge the crap that is in its intestinal
tract. I don't think it is common medical practice to render aid at the
extremes of survivability, i.e. heart massage only after 7 minutes
without a beat etc. The hospitals usually help you out with the first
few feeds, but if your flow is not great, they will top up the childs liquids.

>
>(4)	I have yet to see anybody in print, let alone at pre-natal even
>	suggest that formula equals colostrum for antibody content. All

Shouldn't you be talking about T cells? Yeah the nursing mothers talk
a lot about this hocus pocus, but tell me how the colostrum is
of any value after the child has developed gastric acids?
Tell me why breastfeeding is better, once colostrum production has ceased?
(after the first good breast feed).

>	the nurses state that breastfed babys have:
>
>	(1)	less allergy
>	(2)	less constipation
>	(3)	less illness

They can state what the want, they should however conduct scientific
experiments with proper controls. No one would argue with colostrom
providing a "bootstrap" of the childs immune system after birth, but this
effect is gone after 2 days. Most nurses have a "feeling" that breastfeeding
is beneficial after the first few days, but noone knows the mechanism
(if it exists), for all we know it may be the fact that the mother and
child are in better contact and it stresses the kid out less..

Newsgroups: misc.consumers,aus.general
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Subject: Re: Why you shouldn't buy Nestle
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:22:35 GMT


In article <1992Sep28.020306.12711@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> daniel@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Daniel Bowen) writes:
>
>Better read the article again. How is getting babies stuck on infant
>milk formula they can't afford to pay for, which then causes their
>deaths through malnutrition, a "good deed"?

Better red the article again. It does nothing to back up its claim that
babies are getting stuck on infant milk formula, let alone that Nestle
is responsible for such sticking.

Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: sns@bondi.jpl.nasa.gov (Sam Southard)
Subject: Looking for recommendations on home office equipment
Keywords: phone,fax, answering machines
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:39:41 GMT

I'm starting a home office and I would like recommendations (both for and
against) the following types of equipment:

	a two-line phone
	a FAX machine
	an answering machine

The FAX machine will have its own line.  One of the two lines to the phone will
be my personal line (the existing one) and one will be the office line.  I
already have an answering machine for the personal line, and I want to keep
them separate - the office is in a room behind my garage and I don't want to
have to go out there to check my personal messages.

I don't care if the various features are combined, but they must meet all
above requirements - if it's an all-in-one it must have three lines with and
answering machine which can be set to only use one of the lines.

Also, what are the good features to look for in the above equipment?  I know
about plain paper FAXes and speaker phones.  What are some other options which
are useful?

Which specific machines would you recommend, regardless of cost?  Which machines
would you if cost is a factor?  Which ones would you avoid at any cost?

Thanks for your help.
From: coi0555@dcsc.dla.mil ( Patrick B Leek)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: RE:  cd mailorder source?
Keywords: mailorder cd
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:42:29 GMT
Followup-To: misc.consumers
Organization: Defense Construction Supply Center, Columbus


	You're right.  Noteworthy is a great place for mailorder.
	Their toll free phone number is 1-800-648-7972.  For 
	imports, Worldwide CD is pretty good.  Their phone number
	is 708-941-7619.  Don't ever try Sound City 2000 in 
	Portland, Oregon cause they ripped me off for $94.19 after
	having been a regular customer for about a year.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: swfc@cs.columbia.edu (Shu-Wie F Chen)
Subject: Re: ROOF SEALANT?
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:27:20 GMT

I don't know anything about roof sealant but I can relate to you what
the roofers told my parents when they re-roofed my parents' house.

Roof shingles last about 20-30 years.  The houses in our area had all
been put up about 25 years ago and almost everybody else in the
neighborhood had already gotten their roof's reshingled.  We were one
of the last houses.

We got several roofers to come out to take a look.  They told us that
roofs should be reshingled before any warping on the old shingles
appears.  The reason is that they usually put the new shingles over
the old shingles (they only do this for the very first reshingling).
If the old shingles are warped, the new shingles won't be able to go
on flat.  Otherwise, if the old shingles are too warped or damaged, or
the house already has two layers of shingles, all the old shingles
must be removed first.  ***This takes a lot of time and money.***

Your mom might want to take this into account.  Though the roof
sealant may make the roof last five years longer, the existing
shingles may be in very bad shape by then.  Besides, since there is
alreay warping in the current roof, it seems that the re-roofing
should be done as soon as possible.

Hope this helps,
*swfc

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Shu-Wie F Chen                               Department of Computer Science
swfc@cs.columbia.edu                         Columbia University
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: colette@bnr.ca (Colette George)
Subject: Differences in disposable contacts??
Keywords: contacts,disposable
Organization: Bell-Northern Research 
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:37:26 GMT

Has anyone found any significant differences between the various brands
of disposable contact lenses?  I am trialing my first pair of AccuVue (sp?)
and I find my vision less than wonderful.  I am quite myopic (-8.5 in both 
eyes) with a mild astigmatism.  My opthamologist thinks that the astigmatism 
should not be a factor in selecting a disposable lens.

I find that my vision is less sharp with the contacts than it ever was in 
glasses (or other soft lenses I've used in previous years). Despite the 
slight fuzziness, I can still see well enough to drive, read, etc, but it's
sort of annoying to lose vision when I'd expect to gain it by wearing contacts.
Is it worth my while to try another brand or is this my problem and not the 
lens I'm using?  I'd ask my eye doctor but he's booked up months in advance
so I can't just wander into his office to ask questions like this.  

Can anyone recommend a particular brand of disposables that they're happy with? 

Thanks!
-- 
===================================================================
Colette George 			
Bell-Northern Research Ltd. 	Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Internet:  colette@bnr.ca 
===================================================================
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Rechargeable batteries??
From: <BIGCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Sunday, 27 Sep 1992 00:17:14 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <1992Sep24.194341.11537@fid.morgan.com>, joec@fid.morgan.com (Joe
Collins) says (commenting on why nicads shouldn't be used in flash units):
>Rechargeables are typically 1.2 volts per cell while regular
>batteries are 1.5 volts. .....

I recall one manufacturer of flash units warning against nicads not because
of the voltage difference (which certainly is a significant factor) but
because of the differences in discharge rate.  Nicads have a very low internal
resistance and can source LOTS more current than your typical dry cell.
Apparantly using nicads in this unit caused excessive current draw and the
components would get too hot and fry.  (I had a friend who worked in a
camera store and he showed me the ruined unit and told me what the manufacturer
said... I guess they both could have wrong tho).
-------
Bill Gruber   BITNET: BIGCU@CUNYVM  Internet: BIGCU at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
City University of New York Computer Center

Newsgroups: misc.consumers,aus.general
From: karen@angelo.amd.com (Karen Black)
Subject: Re: Why you shouldn't buy Nestle
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Santa Clara, CA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 07:07:20 GMT

fpaterra@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Frank Paterra - CTA) writes:
>I'm asking this question because I really don't know.  I thought it was
>possible for a woman to milk herself (for lack of a better phase) and
>save her milk in for later consumption by their child.  If this is indeed
>the case, and in fact children have trouble eating without a bottle 
>after being fed formula, couldn't the mothers simply put their breast
>milk in bottles for the children if they could not afford the formula?

I've had a little experience with expressing milk and saving it for later.
It does work, but it's inefficient and clumsy, and is only really useful
if the baby can't suck properly or if mom's away.

The advantages are, of course, that it gives the baby human milk, and it keeps
mom from going dry.  The disadvantages are

1.  Expressing milk doesn't get as much out as a baby can.  This can cause
the supply to decrease (just as having a baby feed more often will cause
it to increase).  In order to get any milk out at all, many women need 
something to remind them of the baby to cause "letdown", the relaxing of
tiny muscles that hold the milk in the breast.  This can be a picture,
a blanket, or thinking about the baby.

2.  Now that you have milk, you have to store it, just like you have to
store liquid formula; that means refrigeration.

3.  You have to wash and possibly sterilize bottles.  If a baby takes
six to eight bottles a day, that adds up to a lot of washing!

4.  When the baby's hungry, you have to put together a bottle to feed him.
Breast-feeding is a lot faster.

That said, boycotting Nestle is attacking the wrong end of the problem.
What is needed is to convince women that breastfeeding is a convenient,
modern method to feed children, and that using breasts for food is not
disgustingly animal.  The problem with some lactation groups is that the 
members are overly enthusiastic about the ease and benefits, and they 
oversell the product.  This approach can backfire, either if mom's
experience isn't as nice as described, or from her saying to herself,
"This woman's enthusiasm scares me; I don't want to be like her."
A low-key approach works better.

Karen Black
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
From: hfunk@src.honeywell.com (Harry Funk)
Subject: Re: Installing deadbolts in steel doors
Reply-To: hfunk@src.honeywell.com (Harry Funk)
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:39:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.192829.2197@philabs.philips.com> mja@philabs.philips.com (Michael Amato) writes:
>
>In article <lcjm05INNq0i@news.bbn.com>, jdelsign@BBN.COM (John Delsignore) writes:
>|> 
>|> I have three run-of-mill steel-clad entry doors on my house...these
>|> are your typical insulated steel entry doors.  They currently have
>|> keyed knob sets, but I want to also install deadbolts in each of the
>|> doors.

>|> 	4. How do you keep the drill perpendicular to the door?
>
>I don't. If your going to drill it, do it from both sides. Again, use the 
>template. 

I agree with both respondents (George and Michael) about drilling from both
sides.  To get it to align, drill so that all edges of the hole saw contact
the door at the same time.   A hole saw is typically a hollow thick-walled 
cylinder with only one end capped (like half a pop can, only thicker) with
a saw-tooth edge and a drill bit in the center.  The cylinder is coaxial
with the drill bit.  If all the saw teeth contact the door at the same time
(and continue to drill at the same depth), then the drill bit and hole saw
are perpendicular to the door.  I suggest you go all the way through the
door with the _drill_ _bit_, then restart from the other side using the
pilot hole that results.

>|> 	5. What's going to go wrong?
>
>The hardest part (IMHO) is getting the dead bolt recepticle position at the
>right height (not to hard) and the right depth towards the outside (harder).
>You want the door to seal properly when the deadbolt is engaged. Again, a
>template should be provided with the deadbolt. 

One thing that helps for this is to install the deadbolt mechanism (not the
strike plate yet), then coat the striker of the deadbolt mechanism with
chalk (like for a chalk line), or any other marking substance, then throw
the latch.  Where it hits is where it's gonna hit.  Mount the strike plate
so that it's centered around the indicated contact area.  Be careful if you
only get part of the impression that you complete the cross-section of the
throw correctly.

BTW, I really liked George's list of things that go wrong.  I'd add one
more: the drill bit wanders off the template mark, and you don't notice
until ...  use a punch.

H.
--
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Honeywell Systems and Research Center             FAX:       (612)-782-7438
3660 Technology Dr.   MS:MN65-2500           Inet:  HFunk@src.honeywell.com
Minneapolis, MN 55418 			Bang:  {umn-cs,ems,mmm}!srcsip!funk


Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
From: cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best)
Subject: Re: Drill hole in Porcelain Sink?
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:00:35 GMT
Organization: your service

> Over this past weekend, replaced bathroom faucet.  However, the liftrod that
> actuates the drain stopper couldn't be installed as the hole in the fixture and
> the hole in the sink do not match.  So, how do I enlarge the hole in the sink
> to allow the liftrod to pass through?  Given what I perceive to be the
> brittleness of porcelain, I am reluctant to jump in too fast.

----------

Any room to put a slight offset in the lift rod?

Otherwise, a rod saw with diamond particles or some
other abrasive might work.  You might get some
suggestions at a tile store, too.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
From: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: Building near property line
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:57:22 GMT

In article <39100@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, wade@hobbes.ucsd.edu (Wade Blomgren) writes...
> 
>Typically (or 'in your area', or under whatever criteria you care to
>lay out), how close can one build structures such as car ports and
>hot-tub (jacuzzi) gazebos to a property line?  I ask because our next

Check your zoning laws.  Most likely your city/town will have a front,
back and side setback requirement which specifies how close one can build
to the front, back or side property line respectively.  The side setback will
state how close the structures can be built to your line.  Also most likely a
building permit is needed. Does he have one?

-Mike
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house