HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:30:34 EST
From: <LXP111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: ==da Long-Man--> Outta Here

Since gaining so much popularity here, I'm afraid I must depart.  I enjoyed
stealing the spotlight from Vic boy for awhile, but I don't want to make all
those Victor worshippers mad.   God forbid, some of them may be dreadful
Sysadm. who may summon their nifty net resources and really bring on down their
wrath.  BTW, can one of you guys use your nifty net resources and change my
Calculus grade.

I'm also sorry to dissappoint all those people who emailed me and said how much
they enjoyed watching me flame Victor-boy, but athough he can do a lot of neato
things wit his net resources, he lacks one useful net resource, "flaming".  I
just can't flame someone who responds with lame humor (Obviously he watches
too much Jay Leno).

I did learn something from all ya guys who scorned me....I DON'T GIVE A SHIT!!!

               ==--da Long-man-----> Outta here MUTHAFUCKERS

p.s. Victor, now you can play GOD here without any oppression from people like
     me who don't dig being told ? he can and can't do...FIGHT THE POWER.
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: tdl001@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Kathy Ireland
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:48:44 GMT

	Cindy, Cindy, Cindy, that's all I ever hear!!!!!!! I mean, c'mon she 
married DICK GERE for heaven's sake, yet everyone worships her as if she were
a goddess. She may have been something special to start with, but heck so many
models are copying her look these days that I can't ever look at a mag cover 
without having to read it and see if it really is her. Of course you see a lot
of other references to Elle MacPherson too, but what I want to know is....

Does anyone out there appreciate Kathy Ireland as much as I do?


Newsgroups: alt.supermodels,soc.women,alt.feminism,soc.men
From: levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine)
Subject: Re: Supermodels contribute to spiraling low self esteem?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:33:11 GMT

brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:

>In article <1992Nov12.182022.9195@tellab5.tellabs.com> chrz@tellabs.com (Peter Chrzanowski) writes:
>>In article <1dsbfhINN8hi@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, cor@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Cory Shimer) writes:
>>> If someone makes you feel relatively unattractive by what they say
>>> or do, and then you happen to see some poster of some supermodel...

>Perhaps feminists would feel better about themselves if the only pictures
>in magazine ads, posters, etc. were of ugly sloppy pathetic women.  Is that
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>a solution to their self-esteem problems?  I doubt it.

>--Brian

Just a quick question, Brian. Why do you equate not being
very good looking, and not putting that much energy into
one's appearance, with being pathetic?

Why is a woman like Marie Curie, Golda Meir or Harriet Tubman
more pathetic than a woman like Marla Maples, Madonna, or 
Vanna White? 

I think it would be more fun to be one of the former three, myself.
At any rate, I suspect they had more fun in bed (not having
to project sexy vibes for economic reasons).

Lenore Levine
From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: Re: Sexual harassment on the net??
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:43:30 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

jim@neb (Jim Hood) writes:

}>From LXP111@psuvm.psu.edu Mon Nov 16 12:57:25 1992

}>Hey Jen, I have the same problem wit da women on this net..heh heh heh.  Hey
}>since were both netsexobjects...will you do me baby fuck me.....just kidding ag
}>ain.

}You know...  Joke or not, legally that could be considered sexual harassment.
}If that account belongs to a STUDENT, that would definately be grounds for
}expulsion from college.  If that account was from an employee (faculty or
}not) it would definately open a door for a law suit against the school.

And what a sad and sorry comment that is on the completely irrational
and hysterical atmosphere that has come to surround "sexual harrassment".

Not to even mention how this undercuts the seriousness of true sexual
harrassment.  Jokingly saying "fuck me" is in the exact same category
as fondling or other unwanted physical contact.  How many people think
that this will make people take the former more seriously?  How many
think that it will make people take the latter more lightly?

--James Preston

Newsgroups: alt.supermodels,soc.women,alt.feminism,soc.men
From: 890530m@dragon.acadiau.ca (Darren MacKenzie)
Subject: Re: Elle MacPherson -- Faint Praise
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:25:10 GMT

beh7214@venus.tamu.edu (HEAD, BRYAN EVERETT) writes:

>Summary:  
>Date: 19 Nov 1992 00:16 CST  
>Distribution: world
>Keywords:  

>In article <1992Nov18.175422.3033@dragon.acadiau.ca>, 890530m@dragon.acadiau.ca (Darren MacKenzie) writes...
>>Craig.Humphrey@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Craig Andrew Humphrey) writes:
>> 
>>>pictures for their PS/2 machines, to run as a backdrop under windoze.  Now the
>>							      ^^^^^^^
>>Learn to spell WINDOWS!!  You know, like the thing you look out to see
>>outside while you're indoors!  
>> 
>>>girls who work there have their own PS/2 running windoze 
>>						  ^^^^^^^
>> 
>>Once again, learn to spell...and get a life!
>>-Doc
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>>Babs  : "Goodnight, Babs."                                                      I'm tiny, I'm toony, and I'm a little looney!                                   ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Darren MacKenz
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>Geez, Doc!  Why don't you lighten up?  Too many people in this newsgroup are
>too prone to jump down someone's throat just because they spell something wrong
>The last time I looked, this
>was alt.SUPERMODELS, not alt.BITCH-ABOUT-ANYTHING.  This really isn't the place

On the contrary...the last time I looked, this was SOC.MEN!  Not intending to
start a flame war, or anything...I was just expecting the ignorance of an IBM
user.  I agree, though...MS-WINDOZE (happy?) is a piece of shit...just like the
computers that run it!
-Doc

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=============================================================================== The Commodore Amiga 4000 - 24 bit          16,777,216 colors (4096^2)!!         ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Buster: "Say goodnight, Babs."                                                 
Babs  : "Goodnight, Babs."                                                      I'm tiny, I'm toony, and I'm a little looney!                                   ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Darren MacKenzie                                                                ("The Doctor")                                                                  890530m@aucs.acadiau.ca
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From: mjo@slee01.srl.ford.com (Mike O'Connor)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: Enough!
Date: 19 Nov 1992 01:04:57 GMT
Organization: Not an official spokesperson for Ford Motor Co.
Distribution: na
Reply-To: "Mike O'Connor" <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com

In article <1992Nov18.195605.5857@news.columbia.edu>
ars1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Sinn Santos) writes:

:I feel very strongly that Jenny's harassment is a topic that should continue
:on this board, since I'd like to think some people are learning something

I disagree.  This is for discussing supermodels and modelling in
general.  And on that note -- I can't think of any supermodels named
"Jennifer", even though it's the moist common woman's name out there.

						...Mike

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Newsgroups: alt.supermodels,soc.women,alt.feminism,soc.men
From: zzekka@unislc.uucp (Zeke Zecca)
Subject: Re: that's IT!
Reply-To: zzekka@unislc.UUCP (Zeke Zecca,B2C10,4827)
Organization: Unisys, Salt Lake City
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:02:59 GMT

Way to go Jen!  Zekers!

Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: hacker@access.digex.com (Dark Hacker)
Subject: Re: THE 5 MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMEN IN THE UNIVERSE
Keywords: yeah, right
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:34:11 GMT

In article <92Nov15.090738.29838@acs.ucalgary.ca> panlilio@acs.ucalgary.ca (Victor P. Panlilio) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.043101.8648@nmsu.edu> mespinos@kirk.NMSU.Edu (Michael C Espinosa) writes:
>
>>here it is..
>>
>>1.  Sharon Stone
>>2.  Sherilyn Fenn
>>3.  Kathy Ireland
>>4.  Samantha Sims
>>5.  Tara from my Psychology Class
>>
>>nuff said
>
>*chuckle*
>
>So, have ya asked Tara out yet? I also know a Tara, whom I've
>photographed, and her basic facial shape is the same as Kathy
>Ireland's (squarish, with a well-defined jawline). A real babe,
>and she's in her first year of university at my campus, too.
>
>Victor 8^)

Growllll... I LOVE Kathy Ireland's face.  That jawline *is* stunning.
One of her best features.  So Tara may be a babe but is she Suuup-er
Model material?  And does she have the brains to match the looks?

- Dark Hacker

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Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: Re: Brains of Models
From: dchou@husc11.harvard.edu (David Chou)
Date: 15 Nov 92 18:52:29 EST
Distribution: na
Organization: Harvard University Science Center
Keywords: beauty and brains

Victor P. Panlilio writes:

	[stuff deleted]

Anyone else want to debunk the myth of beautiful = dumb? I'm now
quite tired of being the only person in this group who speaks out
along these lines. Anyone out there reading this group who works
with models on a regular basis care to comment, hmmm?

********************************************************************************

Well, I don't think the equation beautiful = dumb is an iron law, but in
general, I've found that humans tend to be average overall, and if that
means you are very smart, another aspect of you (ie. looks) tends to suffer.
That is merely a casual observation, and does not go into the underlying
reasons as to why this is so...perhaps it's because those with looks tend
to rely on them more than brains, and consequently, take care of themselves
better, dress better, and comport themselves with a more alluring aura.
Whatever, it is, I can say that here at Harvard, with few exceptions, the
women here tend to be less attractive than say Boston College across the
river.  Similarly, the women in Boston College tend to be less intelligent
in casual conversation,  seem less involved with general current events,
and have less well developed opinions of some key philosophical issues.
Note, this is not technical knowledge such as being able to program an
operating system, or finding the rate-limiting step in some organic chemistry
reaction, or solving a triple integral equation, or whatever.  Now of
course, there are exceptions...perhaps Cindy Crawford is one of the few
people who was smart enough to get into NorthWestern on merit alone (was
Brooke Shields smart enough to get into Princeton w/o her name???), happens
to have a one-in-a-million model body, and comports herself well in social 
sitautions, but she is RARE RARE RARE.  At least around here, women can be
crudely subdivided into the jocks/socialites, the nerds, and the weirdoes, 
with the first usually attractive and good at social situations but not
too bright (relatively speaking), the second damn smart but not too attractive
(again relatively speaking), and then, the third either not attractive AND
weird (ie. HRSFA Science fiction members) or the occasional quite attractive
BUT weird (I've met several of those already).  Again, I use this schema
to try to make some observations of the observed phenomena, so please don't
bother me with comments like, "But Claudia Schiffer is a babe *schwing* and
she has a PhD in aeronautical engineering".  Other comments eagerly welcome :)

								-Dave


--
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-PIL
		I'm here, you're there, but you can reach me:
		dchou@husc8.harvard.edu
jocks
From: gph@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (G. Paul Houtz)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:24:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Effects of Ads (Was Re: Elle Macpherson causes rape?)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels

sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:
>
>Oh, they *do* believe in statistics, in those cases where it seems to
>support what they're trying to argue.
>
>It's only statistics that *fail* to conform to feminist doctrine that are
>met with disbelief!

    Oh come on, guys, how childish can you get?

    This lady doesn't speak for feminists, and neither do you.  Of course
    the ditzy dame orginally quoted (saying that supermodel calendars encourage
    rape) is wrong.   Of course shes just jealous because she doesn't look
    like Rachel Hunter.

    That doesn't mean that all "feminists" subscribe to that position.  Quite
    the contrary, many feminists don't hold at all that pornography leads to 
    rape.   Many top models are feminists.

    Women deserve the same rights as men, and I support feminists efforts to
    obtain same.  Don't ascribe idiotic opinions to all feminists just because
    on nutcase complained about an Elle calendar.
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: good@pixar.com (Let's hear it for the sun god, he's a real fun god, Ra! Ra! Ra!)
Subject: Height requirements
Originator: good@hogey
Organization: Pixar - Pt. Richmond, CA USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:35:09 GMT


While reading the articles on modeling, I was struck by Elite's height
requirements because I've never pictured Kathy Irland nor Paulina Porizkova
as quite that tall.  (I was also surprized to learn that Claudia Shiffer is 6
feet tall, though).  If someone out there has an agency book, would they mind
posting their stats?

	Curious,

		--Craig
-- 
	good@pixar.com
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: corsa@shell.portal.com (Eric Richard Elliott)
Subject: Re: Kathy Ireland
Organization: Portal Communications Company
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:08:00 GMT

osickey@dryer.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt J. Osickey) writes:

>mscb+@andrew.cmu.edu (Matthew Asher Simon) writes:



>>>Does anyone out there appreciate Kathy Ireland as much as I do?

>>Don't you know that Kathy is married?

>     Oh god help me, 
> 
>     Say it isn't so, where is that bottle of draino, I don't
>     think I can face this.

>                               azrael


	It's true...to a doctor in Santa Barbara...she's been married for
	several years...anyone know for sure how many?

	(And, yes, Kathy is right up there at the top on my list!)


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Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl)
Subject: Re: READ THIS JENNY
Keywords: fighting back
Reply-To: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl)
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:47:02 GMT

panlilio@acs.ucalgary.ca (Victor P. Panlilio) writes:

>gets you. Just for the record, with only one EASY inquiry, I have
>managed to obtain your name, your status at Penn State (student),
>your phone number, and even your home adddress, even though your
>host computer does *not* permit remote queries on the user list.
>It didn't even cost me a phone call, because my Internet access
>(as a computer sysadmin at MY university) is FREE. When you grow
>up in a police state, you learn certain survival skills, too.

>How'd you like it if I tracked down your bank history, as well?
>Whether they would or not is irrelevant. One of the models I was
>photographing this May is now with Elite's European Division, and
>she and I are getting together over the Christmas holidays, so I
>think maybe I couldn't care less if I don't know any of the stars
>personally if I get to work with the ones who *may* become stars
>someday. Since it's just a hobby for me, I don't really care.

What a bragging dork.
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: pcg@panix.com (Paul Gallagher)
Subject: Re: Height requirements
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:37:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Keywords: height

In <92Nov17.171959.11430@acs.ucalgary.ca> panlilio@acs.ucalgary.ca (Victor P. Panlilio) writes:

>I have the Elite agency book. 
....

>Whose stats do you want to see? 

Could you look for a model named Beverly, a blonde?  I don't know her last
name.  If it helps, she was the white girl in the LL Cool J video, "Around
the Way Girl."  

Paul
pcg@panix.com


Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: jennifer@netcom.com (Jennifer!)
Subject: Re: READ THIS JENNY
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:25:58 GMT

ars1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Sinn Santos) writes:

>I feel very strongly that Jenny's harassment is a topic that should continue

As I was telling Victor, I absolutely dis*pise* being called Jenny. UGH!!
I'll admit it's incredibly weird reading posts from complete strangers
about myself, but to be called Jenny in the process is just ... *shiver*
to awful for words!!!

-Jennifer!
takin' it day by day
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:51:04 EST
From: <LXP111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: READ THIS JENNY

Okay, since none of you are into the Diceman humor and we have one very sensiti
ve woman here......I apologize.  Just one thing, this is not UTOPIA, you can'
t expect everyone to have your saintly ideas.  I lived in one of the worst part
s of Brooklyn before I moved to PA where death and violence were almost "normal
part of life...now I'm up here where there are a bunch of whiners sitting nice
and comfy behind their PC and bawling their heads off on every post that is not
"nice" and then telling people  "I'm going to tell on you if blah blah blah"...
..give me a break.

Go back to your idol worshipping of Cindy Crawford, Kathy Ireland, etc.........
while they probably wouldn't give the shit time of day for you.

                ===-------da Long-Man------> PeAce OuT


p.s. this ones for Victor (net-tattle-tale) - hey...I FUCKING saved you a long
     distance bill.....
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels,soc.women,alt.feminism,soc.men
From: 890530m@dragon.acadiau.ca (Darren MacKenzie)
Subject: Re: Elle MacPherson -- Faint Praise 
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:26:13 GMT

barrett@fe631.cc.purdue.edu (Brad Barrett) writes:

>In article <1992Nov18.175422.3033@dragon.acadiau.ca> 890530m@dragon.acadiau.ca (Darren MacKenzie) writes:
>>Craig.Humphrey@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Craig Andrew Humphrey) writes:
>>
>>>pictures for their PS/2 machines, to run as a backdrop under windoze.  Now the
>>							      ^^^^^^^
>>Learn to spell WINDOWS!!  You know, like the thing you look out to see
>>outside while you're indoors!  
>>
>>>girls who work there have their own PS/2 running windoze 
>>						  ^^^^^^^
>>
>>Once again, learn to spell...and get a life!
>>-Doc

>Hello novice.  Are you really unfamiliar with the popular Windows
>nickname amongst its detractors (of which there are many)?

I try not to spend my time hanging on IBMs...they are junk!
-Doc

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Babs  : "Goodnight, Babs."                                                      I'm tiny, I'm toony, and I'm a little looney!                                   ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Darren MacKenzie                                                                ("The Doctor")                                                                  890530m@aucs.acadiau.ca
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From: egilmour@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: Re: Effects of Ads (Was Re:  Elle MacPherson Causes Rape?)
Date: 15 Nov 92 15:00:11 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Erik Naggum <enag@ifi.uio.no> writes:
>...Now, what if [advertising] actually _helps_ people with a low
>self-esteem if they can get a hair-cut they think is cool, wear jeans
>they think are worn by someone they look up to, feel at home in a group
>if all it takes is wearing a special jacket, etc....If ads can help you 
heighten your self-esteem,
>would that be bad?  My guess is that the hatred-focused person I'm
>responding to is really objecting to people having a higher self-
esteem
>than she does.

Idon't think I agree that advertising can actually _help_ people.  If one's
self-esteem is based on external things like whether they have the right
jacket that will make them fit into the right group they are bound for
an inevitable crashing blow from reality; if one must buy the latest 
pair of jeans or jacket in order to keep up their self-esteem they are
only becoming slaves to the advertisers and are destined to buy every 
new product that comes along in order to continue to feel good about 
themselves.  It is just this aspect of advertising that makes it so successful
and makes it so harmful for people that need a boost in self-esteem.
People are led to believe that they will be happier and feel better about 
themselves if they have a certain pair of jeans, but then another advertiser 
comes along and says the same thing about their jeans, and then another, 
and another until the consumer is looking at 20 different pairs of jeans,
all which make the promise of helping him/her fit in with the most popular
group and be the most attractive.  Therefore doesn't it seem silly to look
to advertising for ways to boost you're self-esteem?  

As for me objecting to people having a higher self-esteem, I 
never really thought about it.  I don't object to these people
and I don't think I understand how you come to this conclusion.  Do you
think I'm saying that people who don't look exactly like the people in
ads shouldn't have high self-esteem?  I think they should have high
self-esteem and should believe that they are beautiful even if they don't look
like the latest models or whatever, it's just that some people
have a little bit lower self-esteem because they don't look like the latest 
models (although perhaps I can admit that these people have a serious and
unfortunate problem if they hate themselves because they don't look like Elle 
or Paulina).

Regards,

Janet Olson

 
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