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From: danny@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Danny Faught)
Subject: Re: Continuing Scouting in college
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:57:37 GMT

It's great to see Alpha Phi Omega propaganda on USENET.  As I read your
article, I was mentally kicking myself - why didn't I think of this?

One of my missions is educating the scouting movement about APO, and 
vice-versa.  Sadly, few Boy Scouts (or any other kind of scouts) have
heard of APO.  That little paragraph in the Handbook just doesn't seem
to do it (though the article on APO in _Scouting_ some time ago was 
wonderful).  Just imagine the recruiting base, if every current or
former scout entering college knew to look for an APO chapter, we
wouldn't have to go to such lengths to recruit people.  And as far
as benefitting scouting, APO has much to offer.  For example, some
troops have a hard time organizing service projects, but APO chapters
typically do several in a week, and scouts could be invited along.

Well, I could go on about my crusade ad nauseam, so I'll stop with a
request.  If you're not sure what APO is, or you want to know how
APO and scouting can help each other, send me e-mail and I'll be glad to 
help.

By the way, any other current or former APO brothers out there?
--
University of North Texas, Gamma Rho Chapter, Alpha Phi Omega


-- 
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From: hilding@catfish.ocpt.ccur.com (Hilding Holroyd)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Eagle Scout Projects
Keywords: Eagle, Projects
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:26:58 GMT
Organization: Concurrent - Oceanport NJ


I am a Scoutmaster of a troop in Central NJ and am looking for
some ideas for Eagle Projects. I have 12 (!!) Life Scouts of various
ages (2 of which are 17) and my ideas are running a bit low. Any help 
would be appreciated.

Some stuff we have done or are looking into...
	murals & concerts @ Sr. Citizen Centers
	setting up cabinets @ local county food bank
	installing bookcases for libraries at "old folks home"
	repair of bridges at local park
	volunteer work at local hospitals/healthcare centers
	installation of ceiling fans at a local church

Thanks in advance.


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From: wayne@eng.umd.edu (Wayne C. McCullough)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Eagle Scout Projects
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:11:51 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <KMEYER.92Jul29141210@solarium.aero.org> kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer) writes:
>
>On Wed, 29 Jul 92 20:00:18 GMT, jmcc@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (John McCollum) said:>   Some of the Eagle projects in our troop have included painting and repair
>> of playground equipment for local schools or churches and voter registration
>> drives at retirement homes.  The latter was suggested by a local state
>> representative because a lot of the elderly people at these places couldn't
>> get out to register or vote.  Several years ago I heard of an Eagle who
>> organized the effort to glue the blue reflectors in the streets next to 
>> the fire hydrants for easy location by the Fire Dept.
>
>My Eagle project, and several that followed in my troop, was in a city
>park.  I spoke to the head of the Dept of Parks and Recreation of my
>city (Ann Arbor at the time).  He gave me the following suggestion:

This is what most people in my troop do:  the egale canidate himself
must go out and contact the organizeation.  In my area, many of the
parks have a list of projects.  These are usually things they want
done, and normally would either contract out or do themselves.  I
think all you should do is suggest some places to call, and the them
get the ideas from the place they are helping.  Once they get started,
I don't see they will have too much trouble finding a project ("please,
please, please, give me an idea so that I can help you!")  Good
organizeations would be Local Dept. of Recreation and Parks, Churches,
Hospitals, etc.  If the boys start out on the right track, they will
be given ideas.


Wayne
From: rickc@pogo.wv.tek.com (Rick Clements)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Fundraisers
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:31:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.


In article <1992Jul21.134221.14157@uceng.UC.EDU> jgcombs@uceng.UC.EDU (Joseph Combs) writes:
>Until recently we have always done well with this and have never needed to 
>supplement our income.  

Our pack has two big fundraisers.  The first is a Christmas wreath sale.  The
second is Christmas tree recycling.  Several packs and troops in our area work
with the local garbage hauler.  They do the advertising and actually mulching.
We do the pickup and keep all the donations.

One of the local troops has an interesting fund raiser.  They contacted local
businesses about having their flag put up and taken down on hollidays.  One
of our den leaders bought the service for his business.  The companies get to
support the Scouts, show their civic pride and don't have to go into work and
put up the flag on the holiday.
-- 
Rick Clements (RickC@pogo.WV.TEK.COM)
From: jgcombs@uceng.UC.EDU (Joseph Combs)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Fundraisers
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:42:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati

I'm an ASM with a fairly large troop (approximately 50 boys).  Our sole 
fundraiser for the past seven years has been an annual Christmas tree sale.  
Until recently we have always done well with this and have never needed to 
supplement our income.  

This past year we purchased a new trailer and had several major repairs as 
well as maintenance expenses on our bus, leaving our backup funds quite low.
We are looking for ways to bring additional money into the troop's treasury 
and would appreciate any suggestions.  Our previous fundraiser was Doughnut
sales after our chartering organization's Sunday services.  This worked well 
but became too expensive to make a reasonable profit.

Joe Combs
Eagle Class of 1990
ASM Troop 24
Cincinnati, Ohio
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: stolz@fnboot.fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Patrol names
Organization: P.S.C.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:56:37 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnboot.fnal.gov
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Our troop has had a couple of 'interesting' Patrol names.  The first was the
Ranger Bob patrol - apparently this is/was some minor character on some 
teen-oriented TV comedy.  Their Patrol emblem was the BSA Frontiersman
patch.  They eventually changed their names to the Flaming Outhouses - I gather
it started as an inside joke.  Naturally(?), it my son's patrol both times.
Us adults discouraged the second name, but the boys hung on to it until the
next Patrol reorganization.  The 'creative' namers moved on to the Venture
patrol, and we currently have 'boring' standard patrol names like Bat, Shark
and Scorpion.  

Oh - the adults also have their own Patrol the MAD (Mom And Dad) patrol - no
patch, but we do have a fancy Patrol flag...
Mike S.
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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: sayano@micro.caltech.edu (Masahiro Sayano)
Subject: Scoutmaster's Minute
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:27:24 GMT

Greetings, Fellow Scouters!

Here's what I think is a good Scoutmaster's Minute.  It was told to my
father when he was a scout.  His Scoutmaster was stepping down (after      
10 or so years, I think), and on the last Troop Meeting, as a farewell
address, he said this.  I am writing it as best I remember it.

Yours in Scouting,

Mas Sayano
Assistant Scoutmaster, Troop 738
Los Angeles Area Council
Boy Scouts of America

----------------------------------------------------------------------

I AM THIRD

When I entered college years ago, I had a roommate in the dorms posted
a sign on the inside of the door which read, "I am third."  When I
asked what this meant, he replied, "If I get through college, I'll
tell you."

Well, during the four years of college, this young man studied hard
and earned good grades.  All the while, however, he did not forget his
fellow students who needed help, and he worked hard at his church as
well.  Other students were amazed at his attitude in a cut-throat
competitive school.  He was always courteous and considerate.  This,
of course, made him well-respected.  And all during this time, that
sign was still there:  "I am third."

Finally, a day before graduation, I asked him, "Now that we are both
graduating, tell me what your sign means."

He answered, "It's very simple.  That is my guiding rule.  It is so I
remember that God is first, other people come second, and I AM THIRD."
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: rlosee@unlinfo.unl.edu (Robert Losee)
Subject: Re: Support for Boy Scouts
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:40:03 GMT

In <SLAGLE.92Jul29004242@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com> slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Slagle) writes:

>In article <1992Jul27.162945.26087@unlinfo.unl.edu>, rlosee@unlinfo.unl.edu (Robert Losee) writes:

>> Alright Mark, I'm sorry if I'm distorting your beliefs but maybe you 
>> can help me out here.  Do you have problems with the BSA in particular
>> or in general are you claiming most/all organizations should be open 
>> to all, including atheists?

>> If it's the latter I find this a problem as I believe it infringes on 
>> first amendment rights.

>I think that most organizations should be open to all, including
>atheists.  That is an article of my "faith".  But you know as well
>as I do that my opinion has nothing whatever to do with the first
>or any other amendment of the Constitution.  I have not asked the
>government to step in and enforce my opinion, so why do you drag
>the Constitution into this?  Your continued attempts to characterize
>my beliefs as a manifestation of my bigotry or attempts to infringe
>upon your rights to practice your religion are becoming tiresome.

I want to have my sons and I participate in a scouting organization
that believes in God, states that belief, and acts on it.  To my
knowlege the BSA is the only such organization that believes in God
but doesn't attempt to define it beyond that.  It allowed me, and I
hope it will allow my sons to experience other beliefs, but beliefs
never-the-less, in the context of mutual respect.  This is how I want
to practice my religious beliefs.

I believe you would like to eliminate the element of God from the BSA,
and thus infringe apon how I practice my religious beliefs with my
sons.  I bring up the Constitution because I believe my rights in this
regard are protected.  Even more important I believe they are moral,
or if they are not then all religious organizations are immoral, a
stance I can not accept.

>I have been quite clear that I am not attempting, nor do I have
>any desire, to prevent your free exercise of religion.  Neither
>have I advocated any establishment of my particular view of religion
>by the force of law, so why do you continue to insinuate that I
>have?  

Is it not true that you wish to eliminate God from the BSA?  If that 
is true I feel forced to conclude you wish to change the way I 
practice my religious beliefs, as I wish to practice at least a part 
of them with the scouts.  

>If what I have said is not clear to you, may I suggest that you
>reread it more carefully.  I will be pleased to entertain arguments
>about the specifics or the general nature of what I have said,
>but I am not keen on continuing to debate distortions of them.

I'm not keen too so perhaps we should just drop it.
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From: michaelb@cse.fau.edu (Michael Rogero Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Fundraisers
Date: 26 Jul 92 19:19:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA

In article <1992Jul21.134221.14157@uceng.UC.EDU> jgcombs@uceng.UC.EDU (Joseph Combs) writes:
>I'm an ASM with a fairly large troop (approximately 50 boys).  Our sole 
>fundraiser for the past seven years has been an annual Christmas tree sale.  
>Until recently we have always done well with this and have never needed to 
>supplement our income.  
>
>This past year we purchased a new trailer and had several major repairs as 
>well as maintenance expenses on our bus, leaving our backup funds quite low.
>We are looking for ways to bring additional money into the troop's treasury 
>and would appreciate any suggestions.  Our previous fundraiser was Doughnut
>sales after our chartering organization's Sunday services.  This worked well 
>but became too expensive to make a reasonable profit.
>
Well my troop long in the past did Candy Sales, but for the last 5 years or
so has been doing monthly luncheons at the church which sponsors us.  We
don't set a price, just donations and its been a pretty good steady source
of income.  

-- 
<<                                                               >>
<< Michael R. Brown    CS Graduate Student-Florida Atlantic Univ >>
<< Internet: michaelb@sol.cse.fau.edu                            >>
<< BitNet: m_brown@fauvax                                        >>
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: buboo@alf.uib.no (Ove Ruben R Olsen)
Subject: Re: Looking for clipart.
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 12:09:46 GMT

Ove Ruben R Olsen (Myself) writes:
>I'm looking for scout related clipart of any kind.
>
>The clipart files should be for the Messy-Daws computer. I do prefer
>TIFF, EPS or any other stuff that can easily be imported into Aldus 
>Page Maker. (Yes, I'm basicaly lazy ;).
>
>If I'm not mistaken this material is availible on a BITnet mailinglist.

I found it, I'm in the process of fetching it and uudecode it. If I
find a ftp site that is willing to have this material I'll mput it there.

My own site can not carry this material... :-(

It's mostly BSA material, but I do think that other can have some use
for some of it.

\Ruben.
(L|v}s-Fyllingsdalen Speidergruppe, Bergen, Norway, Europe)

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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: jayb@cpqhou.compaq.com (Jay Brinkmeyer)
Subject: Support for Boy Scouts
Organization: Compaq Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 15:08:12 GMT

I was a Boy Scout growing up and enjoyed it a great deal. Since then, I've 
long since lost my manual. Does JC Penny or Sears still sell scouting 
equipment? Am I required to be a scout to purchase a new manual?

Thanks,

Jay Brinkmeyer
From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Girl Scouting
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 92 09:00:04 CDT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

denised@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Denise Davis) writes:

> I'm currently "on vacation" after my second year leading my daughter's Browni
> troop (Troop 461, Konocti Council, Sonoma County, Calif.) My 10 or so girls
> will be third graders this fall, so we'll still be Brownies, but I think
> alot of good could come from a correspondance,if we can make it work-- I trie
> email, but it bounced.
>
> I am denised@sr.hp.com
>                               Denise

What grade/s are your girls in? It seems that each year is different from
another.




* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *
From: jbloem@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: never too late?
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:24:49 GMT
Reply-To: jbloem@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu ()

Hello there...
I'm a 20 yr old college student who was once in the Boy Scouts..
However, I never got past Tenderfoot before my family had to move away,
and I never really had the chance to continue in the Scouts. (much to
my present regret)  SO- I was wondering how I could get involved in 
the Boy Scouts again; is there a similar organization for "older"
folks such as myself? And if not, how can I become involved with
other aspects of the Boy Scouts, such as becoming a Scout Master?
Primarily, I am looking for something that will be fun and rewarding, 
and I'm not adverse to bearing responsiblity for a troop.
(I am, of course, assuming that positions such as Scout Master and 
Assistant Scout Master includes some of the fun and not all of the 
responsibility.. ?)
Anyways, I would appreciate some input on this matter, and this seems a
likely forum; you can either email me, or reply publically in case there
are any other in-the-closet-Boy-Scout-wannabe's who are also interested.. :)

Glen

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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: oakes@rtsg.mot.com (Ronald Oakes)
Subject: Little Johns (was Re: Patrol names)
Reply-To: oakes@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:16:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.155637.1@fnboot.fnal.gov>, stolz@fnboot.fnal.gov writes:
|> Our troop has had a couple of 'interesting' Patrol names.  The first was the
|> Ranger Bob patrol - apparently this is/was some minor character on some 
|> teen-oriented TV comedy.  Their Patrol emblem was the BSA Frontiersman
|> patch.  They eventually changed their names to the Flaming Outhouses - I gather
|> it started as an inside joke.  Naturally(?), it my son's patrol both times.

Did they perhaps have an encounter with a "Little-John?"

A Little-John is a propane powered toilet that burns #2, and goes out if used
for #1.  For many years Camp Frank Rand (Great Southwest Council -- Located
neary Chimayo NM, 100 or so miles south of Philmont) had two of these in most
of the sites.  When used properly, they actually only smelled for a few minutes
and made for little waste.  But with Boy Scouts, they often went out and caused
other problems.

I heard that they were finally eliminated a year or so ago, after the last time
I was there.

Of course, the camp I went to arround here last week only has old pits that the
scouts complain about having to clean -- and occationally use.

Ronald B. Oakes
  Scoutmaster, Troop 91
  Palatine IL
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: ea47916@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Eric Adams)
Subject: Re: Eagle Scout Projects
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:24:52 GMT
Keywords: Eagle, Projects

>In article <2166@catfish.ocpt.ccur.com> hilding@catfish.ocpt.ccur.com (Hilding Holroyd) writes:
>>
>>I am a Scoutmaster of a troop in Central NJ and am looking for
>>some ideas for Eagle Projects. I have 12 (!!) Life Scouts of various
>>ages (2 of which are 17) and my ideas are running a bit low. Any help 
>>would be appreciated.
>>

My project involved painting the inside of a house being built by Habitat for
Humanity.  Anything aiding H for H is a good idea.

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From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Boy Scouts lose funding, SeaFirst bank, Seattle.
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:56:57 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

[Reposted from a mailing list]

>Seattle Times Friday July 10 1992 City Edition page A1 (front page!):


>      BANKS CUT CORPORATE DONATIONS TO SCOUTS
>      Policy of excluding homosexuals is cited
>      By Carol M. Ostrom, Times staff reporter

>      ... Seafirst President Luke Helms ...
>      But his bank, owned by BankAmerica Corp., will no longer support
>the Boy Scouts through corporate gifts.  The Scouts' policy of
>excluding boys and leaders on the basis of their sexual orientation
>conflicts with the non-discrimination policies at Seafirst and
>BankAmerica.
>      ...
>      The organization already has been excluded from Seattle's
>Combined Charities campaign.  Barring a change of heart on the part of
>the Scouts, the group also will be excluded from King County's
>campaign in the fall.  In addition, First Interstate Bank, following a
>new decision at corporate headquarters in Los Angeles, will no longer
>give money directly to the Scouts.
>      ...
>      In Seattle, the controversy is haunting a nervous United Way,
>still smarting from a 1988 fund-raising campaign crippled by a
>controversy over funding of Planned Parenthood.
>      ...
>      While the decision by Seafirst cuts off direct corporate
>contributions, the bank still will give a corporate gift to United
>Way.  United Way is free to distribute it to its member agencies.
>      ...
>---
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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: jmcc@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (John McCollum)
Subject: Re: Eagle Scout Projects
Keywords: Eagle, Projects
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 20:00:18 GMT

In article <2166@catfish.ocpt.ccur.com> hilding@catfish.ocpt.ccur.com (Hilding Holroyd) writes:
>
>I am a Scoutmaster of a troop in Central NJ and am looking for
>some ideas for Eagle Projects. I have 12 (!!) Life Scouts of various
>ages (2 of which are 17) and my ideas are running a bit low. Any help 
>would be appreciated.
>

  Some of the Eagle projects in our troop have included painting and repair
of playground equipment for local schools or churches and voter registration
drives at retirement homes.  The latter was suggested by a local state
representative because a lot of the elderly people at these places couldn't
get out to register or vote.  Several years ago I heard of an Eagle who
organized the effort to glue the blue reflectors in the streets next to 
the fire hydrants for easy location by the Fire Dept.


  (PS.  Hilding, this is an excellent question and exactly the purpose of 
rec.scouting, IMHO.  Please post a summary of your responses.)

John McCollum
ASM Troop 895, Circle Ten Council, Richardson, Tx 
Texas Instruments              Internet: jmcc@ticipa.mtc.ti.com
PO Box 655012  M/S 3635        TI MSG:   JMCC
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                               FAX:      (214) 917-2939
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: uhschreg@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Ulrich Schreglmann)
Subject: Re: No more Terminator @ DH (- going to Marvel)
Organization: Student Pool, CSD, University of Erlangen, Germany
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 08:03:55 GMT

Can anybody tell me how many issues were published by Dark Horse featur-
ing the Terminator? I've got quite a lot, but it's hard to keep survey
in Germany.

I'm also interested in Aliens and Predator.

Can anybody mail me a list or tell me where to look it up?


May the Cool be with You!

(C)OOL mcmxcii
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