From: rachada@icaen.uiowa.edu (Ramakrishna Chada)
Subject: Re: Secularism.. Overkill.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:30:28 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa
Keywords: communal carnage

In article <1992Dec14.163919.4390@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sjayanth@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Satyanand V. Jayanthi) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.151602.28828@crd.ge.com> srinivas@vision.crd.ge.com (Chukka Srinivas) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec14.032922.16321@massey.ac.nz> P.S.Susarla@massey.ac.nz (P.S. Susarla) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>Mr. Srinivas,
>>>
>>>I strongly object to your remarks in
>>>your posting like `` shame on you'' etc etc.. which are unwarranted.
>>>
>>
>>I apologise for my emotional outburst. 
>>Apart from that, I standby what I said.
>>
>>But I think statements made by you and Mr. Kavuri that somehow
>>muslims are to be blamed for voilence during communal roits in Hyd.
>>(which is completely untrue) and Mr. Kavuri's deduction from
>>that, 'muslims all over the world are trouble mongers'
>>is not only illogical but also very offensive. 
>>
>>Either Mr. Kavuri needs to substantiate his conclusions
>>with proper evidence or else apologise.
>>
>>Sir, if you are really interested in understanding communal
>>voilence, make a case study of any one of these roits.
>>Several articles, reports and books have been written
>>about this topic. Talk to ordinary people, Hindu and Muslim,
>>who got affected in communal voilence.
>>Then you would understand what I was saying.
>>But sir, please do not propogate communal myths in the
>>name of facts. 
>>
>>
>>>I disagree with your posting..it is like a child's posting..
>>
>>I guess, you have every right to make your own judgement.
>>Maybe, you can point out contradictions in my posting.
>>Anyhow, I am more happy that I have more sense and
>>humaneness left than to brand a whole population
>>as 'trouble mongers'.  
>>
>>>
>>>Susarla
>>
>>-srinivas.
>
>Okay  ..heree is another hyderabadi jumping into the fray....
>
>Communal riots in hyderabad, I understand started from 1978 with the infamous
>Ramizaa bee incident, when a woman was raped inside a police station. After
>That, communal riots became a regular feature in the city until 1983...and
>again from 1988-89. There were incidents in 1984, but it is believed to be
>more due to nadenla bhaskar rao than to real communal stuff.
>
>From what i have read..most of the riots start with the stoning of a marriage
>or religious procession in front of a mosque. Almost every riot....
>
>Among the other starts that i know of ..is this interesting incident..
>in 1981 some militia group, belonging to some sect of islam occupied the
>mosque at Mecca. I am sure you would agree that hindus in hyderabd had nothing 
>to do with it. But because of that incident, after the friday prayers.          there was large scale looting and hooliganism around charminar area..the riots
>pretty soon spread to other areas..
>
>Or how about the riots in 89' started off because the police killed a
>noted hoodloom called Sardar something  ?? What have hindus got to do 
>with the killing of a common crminal...For months preceding the killing  
>that guy struck fear in the city, with murders commited in areas like 
>punja gutta etc..
>
>It is from around mid 80s that hindus under the banner of ganesh immersion
>commitees started their shows.....but every alternate riot that we hear of
>is because of music in front of a mosque...
>
>Anyhow, my observations about muslims in hyderabad are as follows..
>(these are my personal observations and could be 100% wrong too....)
>Whenever there is an indo-pak match, i find support for pakistan team
>available in abundance...when india lost the world cup semifinal to
>england...there were celebrations on a large scale in vidya nagar..this
>I can speak of because I was there, already agonised by indias loss and 
>here i find our brethren, for some strange reason..celebrating, bursting
>crackers....
>
>I know, one marriage where in the songs etc played were pakistani political
>songs...one song(which i must confess was very catchy..) was about hailing
>benazir...
>
>There is another interesting thing.. indian bussinessmen have this habit
>of keeping a one ruppee noteat their counters..It is supposed to bring
>goodluck or whatever..i observed this in restaurents also where they would
>keep a one ruppee noteat the counter, below the glass...In the irani rest-
>aurents that visited (need i tell you that these are namesake irani resta-
>rents,,owned mostly by our brothers..)..they have pakistani one ruppee
>notes..!!!!not indian..you can confirm thjis..two restaurents which i can
>immedietely recollect are the Golden restaurent near secunderabad station
>and the other is at moula-ali.
>
>I find this identification with pakistan more prevalent among the lower
>sections of the populace...Typically people who work in banks..universities
>etc., are with india...
>
>Yes.. i forgot this....i have a friend who was regularly beaten up by his
>four elder brothers because he used to support india...he regularly has
>to spend 2-3 days away from his home so as to escape their wrath....
>
>Having said all of the above....I would further say that,
>this should in no way become a reason to destro some mosque...If at all
>this destruction accomplishes anything, it only pushes more and moremuslims
>towards pakistan...some other measures like education..(how do we get it 
>to them..???) so that people will realise..that their destiny is with india
>and not pakistan...
>
>Bye,
>
>narain.(posting from a friend's account..)
>narain@bass.bu.edu
>
>


Incidents like the above are not just your experience. The loyality of "most"
muslims to pakistan is an ordinary feature these days. When things like these
are demonstrated next door and become your personal experience, there is every
reason to feel insecure. It is this which has caused the rise of December 6th. 

At this stage, there is a need for the muslims to demonstrate that they are
Indians first. May be done by avoiding the provoking anti-indian demonstrations.

Ramakrishna