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From: kkrueger@cwis.unomaha.edu (Kurt Krueger)
Subject: Re: What happened to Fischer?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:22:46 GMT

jlwestm@pbhyb.PacBell.COM  writes:
> In article <1992Sep1.010649.9693@news.Hawaii.Edu> mike@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Mike W. Burger) writes:
> ;
> ;	If Fischer was so full of chess lust after winning the
> ;World Championship, what event or series of events transmuted
> ;him into a recluse who shunned chess like a reformed alcoholic
> ;shuns drink?
> 
> I read in a recent column in CL&R by Larry Evans (al long time close friend of
> Fischer) that he feels that Fischer left chess because he had "reached the
> top."  As he put it [loosely quoted], "Once you conquer Mt. Everest, what left
> is there to do."

The AP had a different story which said that Fischer became disgusted with
the International Chess Federation because he believed it was dominated by
the Jews (he made a comment like this on Monday Sept. 7).  He is terribly
anti-Semitic, even though he is, I believe, half Jewish himself.  This is a
man who sees conspiracies all around him.  Nonetheless, he certainly makes
the coverage of the game fun to read.  I'm always wondering what outragous
statement he'll make next. :)  I think his latest, greatest one is that he
has never paid any income taxes since 1977.  Now, not only will the State
Dept. be looking for his arrival, but also the IRS and California Department
of Revenue.

Kurt Krueger
kkrueger@unomaha.edu
From: tzeken@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Tze Ken SOH)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Chess club?
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:13:13 GMT
Reply-To: tzeken@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Tze Ken SOH)
Distribution: ut
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: tzeken@sleepy.cc.utexas.edu

Hi!
	Could anyone tell me whether there is any chess club here in UT Austin?
If so, how can I join them? Please reply thru mail.

	Thanks in advance.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tze Ken Soh                            e-mail addr:tzeken@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp)
Subject: Re: K-K games rigged?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:12:41 GMT

For what it's worth, here's the relevant excerpt from the New York Times, 
9/2/92, p. B3:

     [Spassky] said that from the third match between Mr. Karpov and
     Mr. Kasparov he started seeing indications of "arrangements and
     agreements." He referred specifically to the 19th game of the
     last series, which he said convinced him that these were, as he
     put it, "dirty guys."

---
Joe Knapp   jmk@cbvox.att.com
From: abbasi@star.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: F vs S game score
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:45:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntpd.1992Sep14.014823.22859
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <23279@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>, dguerrer@oak.cel.scg.hac.com (Dan Guerrero) writes...
>What's the score in the match?  Who leads whom?  I've been informed that
>ties do not count? What is the format of the scoring?  Thanks!
> 
the score after game 8 is 3-2 for Fischer favore.

I think the match is won who ever scores 10 wins first, draws dont count,
but iam NOT sure on this. iam sure i'll be corrected if iam wrong.

/nasser
From: empcomm@empserv.Corp.Sun.COM (Chet Anderson - Emp. Services)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: F-S: Why so few draws?
Date: 14 Sep 1992 22:50:32 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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As a complete novice following the Fischer-Spassky match,
I'm curious as to why most of the games are not draws.
Five of the first eight games have been decisive; whereas
in the last Kasparov championship match, it seemed like
only about 20% of the games didn't end in a draw.


Any comments would be appreciated...

Chet
chet.anderson@corp.sun.com
From: bradley@marley.think.com (Bradley Kuszmaul)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Complexity - Ideas
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:29:57
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
	<1992Sep7.113727.15187@odin.diku.dk>
	<NICKH.92Sep7145835@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU>
	<1992Sep8.192342.12106@ll.mit.edu>
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In-reply-to: nates@ll.mit.edu's message of Tue, 8 Sep 92 19:23:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.192342.12106@ll.mit.edu> nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith) writes:

   From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
   Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 19:23:42 GMT

     ...

   this reminds me of the old computer problem:  how many bits does it take
   to completely store a chess position?  remember that whether or not each
   side can castle and what pawns are capturable by en-passant need to be kept
   along with the usual image.  gee, i used to know the answer...bits = 29?
   so then you get 2^29.  naw, maybe it was something else.
   ...

A. D. de Groot and one of his students spent some effort to measure the
number of bits to represent a chess board from an information-theoretic
point of view.
 - By "plain counting and desk calculations", they get about 2^143 or 10^43
 - By introducing a few legitmacy constraints, mainly regarding pawn
   structure, they get about 100 bits (or 10^30).
 - Variants of Shannon's guessing techniques [2] were used to get 70 bits
   to represent positions that could possibly occur at the 20th move of a
   game between chess masters.
 - Another exeriment found that in the first 20 moves, two masters
   considered an average of 1.76 moves per position to be playable, leading
   to an estimate of (1.76)^40 or about 2^33 different positions at the end
   of black's 20th move.

References:
 [1] A. D. de Groot, "Some Special Benefits of Advances in Computer Chess",
    in D. F. Beal, (ed.), Advances in Computer Chess 5, 1989, Pergamon
    Press, pp. 1--11.
 [2] C. E. Shannon, "Prediction and Entropy of Printed English", Bell System
    Technical Journal, 30, 50--64.

-Bradley
From: Bruce_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Harper)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer-Spassky Prediction
Date: 13 Sep 92 15:44:44 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I predict the score will be 2:2, with 3 draws, after seven games (sorry, I
meant to post this earlier).
From: fry@zariski.harvard.edu (David Fry)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: F-S II game 6 moves 1-22
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:02:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Sep10.140227.15515
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard Math Department


   Spassky Fischer
   (White) (Black)
   1. d4 d5
   2. c4 dxc4
   3. Nf3 Nf6
   4. e3 e6
   5. Bxc4 c5
   6. 0-0 a6
   7. dxc5 Qxd1
   8. Rxd1 Bxc5
   9. b3 Nbd7
   10. Bb2 b5
   11. Be2 Bb7
   12. Nbd2 Ke7
   13. a4 bxa4
   14. Rxa4 Rhb8
   15. Rc1 Bd5
   16. Ne5 Bd6
   17. Nxd7 Nxd7
   18. Rxa6 Rxa6
   19. Bxa6 f6
   20. Bc4 Bxc4
   21. Rxc4 Nc5
   22. Rc3 f5
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: budelsky@ikp.Uni-Koeln.DE (Dietmar Budelsky)
Subject: Re: retrograde analysis
Organization: Chessnews list (chessnews-request@tssi.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:06:12 GMT


Hello,

some time ago, there was a question about retrograde analysis.
I have a small story about that. A couple of years ago a chess
member of our club was going to a big warehouse in Cologne before
Xmas. There a man sold chess computers. Markus, our man became
one of the spectators. The computer seller said: "This computer
knows   e v e r y   chess opening." Markus: "Oh, I've seen something new!"
And he moved c2-c3, the computer answered e7-e5, Markus moved c3-c4 and
the computer was thinking... Markus explained, he had played a normal
chess opening, called Sicilian Defence. After some rumour about that,
the seller said "Yes, this computer solves   e v e r y   mate in XYZ moves."
Again Markus: "I have a nice problem for mate in two." The angry seller
allows Markus to build up the following position:

-------------------------
|  |  |  |  |*k|  |  |*r|
-------------------------
|*p|  |*p|  |  |*p|  |*p|
-------------------------
|  |*p|  |  |  | P|*p|  |
-------------------------
|  |  |  | R|  |  |  |  |
-------------------------
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
-------------------------
|  | P|  |  |  |  |  | P|
-------------------------
| P|  | P|  |  | P| P|  |
-------------------------
| R|  |  |  | K|  |  |  |
-------------------------

The computer was thinking and thinking and ... After several minutes, when
the spectators won't wait any longer, the seller said "This is no mate in two!"
It was quite difficult for Markus to explain, why the position is mate. After
that he left the warehouse quickly.

Dietmar Budelsky (1769 German rating)
Institut f"ur Kernphysik
Universit"at zu K"oln
Germany

e-mail: budelsky@snert.ikp.uni-koeln.de
From: ran9@midway.uchicago.edu (M.L. Rantala)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Nimzovich & the Wages of Pawns
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:44:04 GMT
Organization: Chessnews list (chessnews-request@tssi.com)


I believe that somewhere in his writings, Aaron Nomzovich once claimed
something to the effect "pawns work for low wages". But I have been unable
to locate this quotation. If anyone knows the complete reference I would be
grateful if they would either email me directly, or post to this group.
Thanks.

M.L. Rantala
ran9@midway.uchicago.edu
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From: mzabel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel)
Subject: Re: Spassky-Fischer #8, by Zarkov & me.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:32:15 GMT

Jim Coombs writes:

>Better is 33...Nxc1 34.Qa3 b4 35.Qxa6 Kf8 36.Nc2 b3 37.Kxc1 Ra7 38.Qd3
>bxc2 39.Rxc2 Ra1+ 40.Kd2 Rh1.  Black has given up a passed pawn for the
>exchange and the initiative.

White doesn't need to take on a6.  Instead he can play Qa4+
followed by Bf1, which wins material.  This was given in
the NY Times article.

>
>This sacrifice also seemed strange to me, but I certainly was not able to
>improve by going for a mate.  I guess by giving back some material, Fischer
>eliminates counterchances.
>
> 38. Kxa1           -239   9   b1a1  e7a7  a1b1  a7e3  b1c2  e3f3  f1d3  h8d8
>                               c2b3  g7h7
> 38.       Qa7+     -258   9   e7a7  a1b1  a7e3  b1c2  b5b4  f1c4  e3f3
c4d3
>                               h8d8  c2b3
> 39. Kb1            -250   9   a1b1  a7e3  b1c2  b5b4  f1c4  e3f3  c4d3  h8d8
>                               c2b3
> 39.       Qxe3     -253   8   a7e3  b1c2  e3f3  f1d3  h8d8  d2e2  f3f4  d3b5
>                               f4h4
> 40. Kc2            -254   8   b1c2  e3f3  f1d3  h8d8  d2e2  b5b4  e2d2  f3h1
> 40.       b4       -308   8   e3f3  f1g2  f3e3  c2d1  h8a8  d1c2  a8a1  c6c8

41.Be2 b3+ 42 Kc1 Ra8 43.Ba6 Rxa6 44.Rxa6 Qc5+ 45.Kd1 Qc4
wins a rook (Byrne).
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From: cyg1431@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Who needs to know )
Subject: Fischer folklore??
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 03:07:50 GMT

This may be a really silly question, but I heard that
Bobby Fischer is capable of seeing 16 moves ahead.
Is this true?  If so, how did they determine/measure this?
And if so, is this unusual for a grandmaster?
Please reply via email.
Thanks!
Chris
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: kirk@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Kirk Gunsallus)
Subject: FS 5 moves 1-20
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:30:24 GMT


sorry about the format:  here are the first 20 moves thanks to ICS....

Move    White                   Black
----    -----                   -----
1       P/e2-e4 (0:18)         P/e7-e5 (0:04)
2       N/g1-f3 (0:03)         N/b8-c6 (0:03)
3       B/f1-b5 (0:04)         P/a7-a6 (0:03)
4       B/b5-a4 (0:04)         N/g8-f6 (0:05)
5       o-o (0:03)             B/f8-e7 (0:06)
6       R/f1-e1 (0:22)         P/b7-b5 (0:08)
7       B/a4-b3 (0:06)         P/d7-d6 (0:06)
8       P/c2-c3 (0:03)         o-o (0:08)
9       P/h2-h3 (0:07)         N/c6-b8 (0:13)
10      P/d2-d4 (0:11)         N/b8-d7 (0:07)
11      N/b1-d2 (0:04)         B/c8-b7 (0:04)
12      B/b3-c2 (0:08)         R/f8-e8 (0:04)
13      N/d2-f1 (0:04)         B/e7-f8 (0:04)
14      N/f1-g3 (0:07)         P/g7-g6 (0:03)
15      B/c1-g5 (0:06)         P/h7-h6 (0:03)
16      B/g5-d2 (0:07)         P/e5-d4 (0:11)
17      P/c3-d4 (0:05)         P/c7-c5 (0:05)
18      P/d4-d5 (0:07)         N/d7-b6 (0:31)
19      B/d2-a5 (0:06)         N/f6-d7 (0:04)
20      P/b2-b3 (0:04)         B/f8-g7 (0:03)


FIscher is white  (game 5)

Kirk
From: ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Prononciation Of Names
Date: 09 Sep 92 09:44
Organization: Magick Shoppe, Gurth City

nash+@cs.cmu.edu (Richard Nash) writes:
> Seamisch - Same-ish?

Yes, and it's Saemisch.
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: sharring@cs.tamu.edu (Steven L Harrington)
Subject: Re: F-S game 5 - the losing move
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:59:47 GMT

In article <cefsw8y2ATvuEfGkQl@pitt.edu> Teri A Sobolik <tasst2+@pitt.edu> writes:
>
>It seems to me that the losing move in game 5 was 28.Nh4.  This move,
>(which worked well in a different position in game 1), leads to a forced
>loss of big material, and the game, it seems to me.  Why not 28.B:e4 instead?
>The complications following that move seem rather murky, and not without chances for White on the K-side.  Any comments?
>Jerry Meyers (USCF 2307)


Although this is a reasonable try, i think you'll find that by this time
black already has the better of it. 28.Be4 Nf6!? and the resulting
complications all seem to favour black. THe pawn on d5 is very
very very weak, and white's attack seems to be a fantasy.

--steve harrington
--texas a&m university
--acs::knife
From: vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer The God
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:31:17 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA

In article <10SEP199218012074@zeus.tamu.edu> kbs4580@zeus.tamu.edu (SCHAUB, KEITH BRADLEY) writes:
>	I have something to say. It is better to burn up than to fade away.
>AnWhoever believes that Fischer can't play is obviously not mentally a
>there. 

I thought that it was Fischer himself who is not mentally all there... 

>He hasn't played in match tournaments for nearly 20 years. And during
>the first match with Spassky he kicked his butt. Spassky has been playing
>tournament level chess forever. 

Yes, but he has been losing in all these tournaments. He is orders of
magnitude below the younger players.

>As a matter of fact they use him as a 
>gate way into the world championship. 

Who they? The French? Are you paranoid?

>If you can't beat Spassky then you
>shouldn't and can't enter the world championship. 

Actually, I am just like Spassky. That is, if  you can't beat me then you
shouldn't and can't enter the world championship. 

>	Though, I must admit Fischer did lose the 4th game, so now the score
>is tied 1-1. If anyone has the moves for these games. I would be thankful.
>Thanks for your attention.

Actually, it is 1-2 now. Losing to an over-the-hill player. Well, I guess
insanity does ruin your game afterall...

In any case, you better stick to Sylvester Stallone movies. :-)

Vlad

Employer disagrees
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: jph@hardy.u.washington.edu (Jeff Hanson)
Subject: Re: K-K games rigged?
Organization: Very little
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 03:18:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.192006.4078@cbnews.cb.att.com> jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:
>In a New York Times article, it was mentioned that Spassky also believes
>that the Karpov/Kasparov match was rigged. Does this lend credence to 
>Fischer's claim? They did say that such allegations are common in
>the "paranoid" world of high-level chess though.
>
>---
>Joe Knapp   jmk@cbvox.att.com

	Pure speculation, but perhaps Spassky influenced Fischer in this
matter.  Kasparov & Spassky aren't very friendly, which may have something
to do with Spassky not getting the tournament invitations that he desires.

	Paranoia? . . . perhaps.

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann)
Subject: Re: Who are the seconds in the Fischer/Spassky match?
Organization: E.E. Dept., Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:35:14 GMT
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In article <BuAEF1.6EI@math.uwaterloo.ca> alopez-o@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Alex Lopez-Ortiz) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.221308.28255@cs.tulane.edu>, david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann) writes:
>> In article <Bu9p46.B7L@math.uwaterloo.ca> alopez-o@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Alex Lopez-Ortiz) writes:
>> >
>> >The pronunciation is Torr-ay. The mexican player is Carlos Torre, of world
>> >fame because of a couple of brilliant victories over LASKER, one of them
>> >while Lasker was the world champion. (Carlos Torre was made (retroactively)
>> >a GM by FIDE in 1982). Then Torre started playing chess against God and
>> >was blacklisted by the world Jewry...
>> >
>> I believe Torre won only one game against Lasker, at Moscow 1925
>> (where Lasker came in 2nd after Bogolyubov and ahead of Capablanca).
>> There is a story about that game (in short, at the critical moment
>> Lasker was distracted by the absence of his wife). 
>> 
>> The last sentence, of course, is pure nonsense.
>> 
>
>What I meant by the last sense is that he was mentally ill for a long
>while. He recovered shortly before his dead... 
>
Apologies for misunderstanding that it was Torre who said and thought
that, not you (but that's the way it seemed to read).

BTW, the interruption during the game, a QP with Torre as white, was
when a telegram from Lasker's wife was placed beside him, informing
him that a verse-drama he'd been working on for some time with his
brother brother was finally to be produced. He was so happy, he lost
the thread of the game.

If I get a chance, I'll post it.


>Alex
>
>
>-- 
>Alex Lopez-Ortiz                              alopez-o@maytag.UWaterloo.ca
>Deparment of Computer Science                       University of Waterloo
>Waterloo, Ontario                                                   Canada


David Kaufmann
INTERNET:	david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu
From: fry@zariski.harvard.edu (David Fry)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: F-S II game 5 Spassky wins
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:54:37 GMT
Organization: Harvard Math Department


Boris Spassky won the fifth game in 45 moves and five hours of play. I
don't have the complete move list yet.

David Fry                                  fry@math.harvard.edu
Division of Applied Sciences               fry@huma1.bitnet
Harvard University                      ...!harvard!huma1!fry
Cambridge, MA  02138
From: sbr20@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Chess Books on Fischer, Tal and Capablanca games.
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:27:19 GMT
Reply-To: sbr20@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com ()
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


Hi,  

I hope this article doesn't get lost in current flood
of articles on Fischer-Spasky matches.

Does any one out there know about any chess books on
world championship or other GM tournaments' games of
Fischer, Tal and Capablanca (moves plus analysis by 
any GM) ? If you know please email list of book names
and publishing companies to me or post it on this news
group since this might be of interest to other
readers of this group.

Thanks.


Santosh
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: craig@jido.b11.ingr.com (Craig Presson)
Subject: Re: Lasker-Torre (Was) Re: Who are the seconds in the Fischer/Spassky match?
Reply-To: craig@jido.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, Alabama
	<1992Sep8.112707.11007@gdr.bath.ac.uk> <Bu9p46.B7L@math.uwaterloo.ca>
	<1992Sep8.222229.2490@cs.tulane.edu>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:40:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.222229.2490@cs.tulane.edu> david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann) writes:
[Lasker's 19 tournament losses]

   I'll try to get a list of them. Would make a good book.

Throw in his handfull of match losses, title it "How to Beat Emanuel
Lasker", throw in historical notes and a few of those endearing old
tournament pix along with some solid annotation, and you've got a
winner. Almost no one gets rich on chess books, though ...

After-afterthought: The last chapter could be one or two of "Lasker's
Greatest Hits" subtitled, "Here's what happened to <whoever> BEFORE
he read this book" -- because I'd hate to see the good Doktor not get
his last licks in. Great idea. If I had money, time, or any chess
skill left, I'd help :-)

-- Craig Presson
From: jph@hardy.u.washington.edu (Jeff Hanson)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Informmant Problems (Was: Fischer games in Informator?)
Date: 6 Sep 92 21:04:57 GMT
Organization: Hardly any

In article <Bu66G0.2L2@world.std.com> ekw@world.std.com (Elliott C Winslow) writes:
>
>They sent the usual review copy (which contributors also have received); if
>I post excerpts here am I then under arrest?
>
>What a world.
>
	Don't worry, many jails have strong chess clubs (and it looks
like they'll be getting stonger).
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From: leisner@eso.mc.xerox.com (Marty Leisner 311/? x?)
Subject: deep thought II
Organization: Xerox
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They analyzed the Fischer-Spassky chess game in the NY Times and talked about Deep-Thought II..

What is deep thought II?

Marty    leisner.henr801c@xerox.com 
          Member of the League for Programming Freedom 
 	Computer science is an oxymoron	
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From: gls@windmill.ATT.COM (Col. G. L. Sicherman)
Subject: Re: transposition
Organization: Save the Dodoes Foundation
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:31:01 GMT

In <9208311311.aa28019@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu>, jriechel@Bonnie writes:
> 
> 1. e4 d5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. e5 Nfd7 4. d4 e6 5. f4 c5 6. dxc5 Nc6 7. Nf3 Bxc5
> 
> With 4. ... e6, I transposed to the Steinitz Variaition of French.  But my
> question is:  might have I tried 2. ... dxe4 hoping to transpose to the
> Classical Caro-Kahn after 3. Nxe4 Bf5 4. Ng3 Bg6 5. d4 c6.  Or does White
> have a stronger responce, other than allowing the transposition to the C-K?

After 2... de 3. N:e4, Black has a Caro-Kann without the drawback of
the limiting move ...c6.  You can develop everything easily, including
Nb8-c6.

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