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From: Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks)
Subject: Re: Here is the question Ms. Parks!!!!!!!!
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 04:04:39 GMT

>>>>>Would you PLEASE explain why you insist on spelling "black" as "blak"?
>>
>>>>I don't.
>>
>>>  As you can see, our own Ms. Parks has responded to the question with her
>>>usual straight forward answer that gets to the heart of the matter.  In other
>>>words, she still hasn't answered the question!
>>
>>What is your question?
>>
>
>The question is: Would you please explain why you insist on spelling "black" as
> "blak"?  A very easy, straightforward question

And hence the succinct reply you have quoted above.

>that you time and time again ignore and fail to answer.

Oops, I guess the quote was an illusion.

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From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Organization: Quake Public Access
Distribution: usa,local
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:13:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.112048.1@milori.ccit.arizona.edu> ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.145948.923@blkbox>, collins@blkbox (Chad R. Collins) writes:
>> kls30@cd.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard) writes:
 
>  Maybe it's because we are the most easily identifiable.  I have known blacks
>  who look white and they have expressed the discrimination the face when it is
>  discovered that they are black.  White females in the work force are commonly
>  faced with the problem of it not being discovered that they are married to
>  a black man.  Co-workers of mine experienced it and told me so. 

So, what are they worried about?  Being fired because they are married to
a black man?  I think in most places all it would get you is a few unwelcome
stares.  More than anything I think this is mostly just a case of the
unusual attracting attention.  I KNOW it makes a big difference where you
live too.  Here in Hollywood, I see mixed race couples all the time and I
rarely take more than a passing notice of it (and neither does anyone else).
In less-integrated places (places where mixed marriages are more rare) such
a relationship would probably attract some attention, but do you really
think it would get you fired?

>  It's kind of bad when in a white school system a white girl says to a black
>  boy "I like you but my dad would not approve...".  

I think these days most parents would be a bit more open-minded than that
don't you?

>  I'm not hung up on white
>  women, but this is another example of how integration has been a failure.  

Oh come on!  Race relations and the freedom of blacks in this country have
improved enormously since the 1950's. Things still are not perfect, but there
has been tremendous progress.  Programs like affirmative action, black 
colleges, black high schools, race-based set-asides in government contracts,
racial social clubs, etc. are the most prominent anti-integration
institutions in society.  Rather than retreating from integration, we 
ought to take the next step and try to make government, our businesses,
and our personal lives as color-blind as we can.  Will everything immedicately
become perfect?  No.  Will there still be a few bigots?  Sure.  But isn't
it still a step in the right direction?

>  So
>  IMO I think it's best we part, as in another nation.  We have hell living
>  together as one nation under god.  It's getting to be one nation under satan.
 			
Is it really hell to live near people of other races?  I don't think so.

Would you rather live near people on the basis of their race or on the 
basis of their ideas?  I'm white, but I don't have any desire to live 
near Charlie Manson or David Duke.  I would much rather have honest,
hard-working, tolerant black neighbors than dishonest, lazy white neighbors. 
It would appear that you would choose differently.  Pretty sad.

--Brian
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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:07:23 GMT

In article <Bz38I5.IxG@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, cogsdell@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (tony c) writes:

|> The economy in this country has excluded blacks! 
|> Those who hold power(whites) have systematically kept blacks from
|> acquiring the capital(economic definition), required in any Industrialized 
|> society, to form wealth.

This is certainly a situation which many other races have been in. There has to
be another factor.

Jason W. Solinsky
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From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Distribution: usa,local
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:13:19 GMT
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In article <1992Dec15.090227.1@milori.ccit.arizona.edu> ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.014213.20399@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) writes:
>>>> Then could you be the one to point out the mythical program which is
>>>> restricted to Caucasians and denied to Blaks?

>>>  The mythical program is whites get hired and blacks don't.

>> And can you name this company or companies which won't hire anyone because
>> they're Blak? I certainly wouldn't want to have dealings with them.

>  I was speaking in general.  Like I stated in one of my earlier postings, Ross
>  Perot stated that in times of econmic decline in the U.S. blacks are first to
>  be affected.  Again I ask Why? 


1.  Union seniority rules
2.  Blacks are more likely to work in the hardest hit sector - low
skill, low wage work.
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From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Organization: Quake Public Access
Distribution: usa,local
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:57:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.090227.1@milori.ccit.arizona.edu> ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.014213.20399@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) writes:
>>>> Then could you be the one to point out the mythical program which is
>>>> restricted to Caucasians and denied to Blaks?
  
>>>  The mythical program is whites get hired and blacks don't.
 
>> And can you name this company or companies which won't hire anyone because
>> they're Blak? I certainly wouldn't want to have dealings with them.
 
You said that you don't call "blacks" "blak".  You are quite obviously a liar.
Please explain yourself, or stop expecting anyone to take you seriously.

--Brian

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Subject: Re: Institutional racism 
From: ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu
Date: 18 Dec 92 11:00:01 MST
 <1992Dec16.122702.1@milori.ccit.arizona.edu> <1992Dec17.194229.18388@newton.ccs.tuns.ca>
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In article <1992Dec17.194229.18388@newton.ccs.tuns.ca>, lashlepi@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Phillip Lashley) writes:
> In article <1992Dec16.122702.1@milori.ccit.arizona.edu> ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
> B
>>  How can we live together if we are both so different?  Good question.  Big
>>  daddy U.S.A. should have thought about that 400 years ago. 
>>  Go back to africa is not that old.  I had to hear it throughout high school
>>  when neither myself or many whites were familiar with what Africa was all
>>  about.  So what has happened to that phrase?  Are whites afraid it might
>>  come true?  I'm game!!!  It is a solution to be considered.  U.S.A. certainly
>>  has the military strength and financial wealth to carry it out.        
> 
> 
> So, we repatriate, they leave, leaving gold, diamonds, oil, etc in the hands of blask people (like ANC, NOI etc...) No. I dont think so. Whitey dont play that.
> 
  Well if this is the case, then my first statments are true.  We are still in
  slavery.  We aren't certainly being held captive in the name of love!
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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa,local
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 03:48:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.105244.1@milori.ccit.arizona.edu>, ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
|> In article <1992Dec13.020511.2386@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) writes:

|>   The mythical program is whites get hired and blacks don't.  If you read my
|>   posting on 12/12 I stated I had 2 white co-workers who had no college
|>   education yet comparable experience as I.  They were both fired.  The femal
|>   got employed in 1 month the male got employed in 3 months.  When I leave a
|>   job without being fired I can't get employment for over a year.  Would it
|>   have been better that I get fired from a job in order to ensure future 
|>   employment?

I take back my last post about one of your articles. If you are foolish
enough to attach statistical significance to the series of events that
you have described then you don't have the intelligence to come up with a
good idea.

(somebody else wrote the double indented stuff, BTW)

|> > Try the Sunday newspaper. Look for jobs at AA employers. Being Blak qualifies
|> > you for employment with the Boston Fire Department, give them a call.
|> > Ditto for MIT, while in Boston look them up too.
|> > The RDU airport is setting aside 30% of its construction funds for
|> > "minorities", give them a call.

|>   Are you implying that I haven't been looking for work?  That this descendant
|>   of the U.S. slave race is lazy and only wants to get educated but not look
|>   for employment?  College opportunities great, but you ain't got a thing if
|>   you ain't got that green.
|>   I have tried the sunday - saturday paper.  I have interviewed with N.M.E,
|>   Xerox, F.H.P, Federal Express, Nicklestone Software, University of Arizona,
|>   Catalina Limousine, Yellex, UCLA(2 jobs), and many many many more.  I have 
|>   had well over 50 interviews and all came to naught.  
|>   Now I am good enough to provide campus wide computer support at the U of A 
|>   for $6.50/hr., but I'm not good enough to do the same type of work for 
|>   $30,000/yr.
|>   Apply for the Boston Fire Department?  Where am I now?  You gonna pay for my
|>   airfare and lodging?  I guess I'm just in the wrong place, but last I heard I
|>   was in a place called America.

It sounds like you are in the same position as thousands of other Americans who
were formerly employed in computer related industries. That you should blame it
on your race is rediculous. Look at all of the white people who would love just
to have your job. The number of unemployed people who are qualified to run a
campus computer system is staggering.

Jason W. Solinsky
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Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
From: ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu
Date: 15 Dec 92 08:47:54 MST
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In article <1992Dec14.153345.20603@oracle.us.oracle.com>, mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
> In article <1992Dec10.124204.1@milori.ccit.arizona.edu> ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Dec8.231456.7197@oracle.us.oracle.com>, mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>>> In article <1992Dec4.231441.10829@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas) writes:
>>>>In article <1992Dec4.165214.27181@fid.morgan.com> sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart) write 
> 
>>> All I can say is that I wish I was as disadvantaged as Michael
>>> Jackson, Eddie Murphy, Vernon Jordan, and Bill Cosby.  Heck, I
>>> wouldn't even mind being as disadvantaged as all of them combined.
> 
>>  Yeah, and I wouldn't mind being as disadvantaged as Mick Jagger, Paul
>>  McCartney, Rod Stewart, All of the rolling stones, and beatles, and other
>>  European entertainers in addition to American entertainers who have come into
>>  this nation and made big bucks.  
> 
> Same here.
> 
>>  How many foriegn blacks have come into the
>>  U.S. and made Mega bucks?
> 
> Well, I don't have a count, but you have to remember - most people who
> come from foreign countries and make big bucks seem to be
> entertainers.  Most entertainers need to come from English speaking
> countries to succeed here, and English speaking in this context mean
> relatively accentless, so the Caribbean doesn't count.
> 
  Does that include spanish speaking and asians too?

> However, just off hand, I do know that there is a Somali super-model.
> She's done some fundraising for aid for Somaila.
>
  I have a black friend.  
  I only have one friend. 
>>  In addition, why is it that so many people from
>>  all nations except Africa are in the U.S. today?
> 
> You have obviously never taken a cab ride in New York or Boston.
> 
> -- 
  No I haven't, but New York and Boston are not representative of the nation
  as a whole either.
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From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Distribution: usa,local
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:10:45 GMT
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In article <1992Dec15.084754.1@milori.ccit.arizona.edu> ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.153345.20603@oracle.us.oracle.com>, mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec10.124204.1@milori.ccit.arizona.edu> ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec8.231456.7197@oracle.us.oracle.com>, mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>>>> In article <1992Dec4.231441.10829@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas) writes:
>>>>>In article <1992Dec4.165214.27181@fid.morgan.com> sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart) write 

>>>  How many foriegn blacks have come into the
>>>  U.S. and made Mega bucks?

>> Well, I don't have a count, but you have to remember - most people who
>> come from foreign countries and make big bucks seem to be
>> entertainers.  Most entertainers need to come from English speaking
>> countries to succeed here, and English speaking in this context mean
>> relatively accentless, so the Caribbean doesn't count.

>  Does that include spanish speaking and asians too?

What?  That they need to know English?  You bet.  How many Spanish
It includes Spanish speaking.  It doesn't include Orientals, but they
seem to be able to succeed anywhere.  Look at Malaysia, for an even
more extreme example than the US.  I can't explain that in a
politically correct way, but it's a fact.

>> However, just off hand, I do know that there is a Somali super-model.
>> She's done some fundraising for aid for Somaila.

>  I have a black friend.  
>  I only have one friend. 

What's your point?  I don't keep a rolodex on my desk with a list of
successful people in the US crossindexed by country of origin.

>>>  In addition, why is it that so many people from
>>>  all nations except Africa are in the U.S. today?

>> You have obviously never taken a cab ride in New York or Boston.

>  No I haven't, but New York and Boston are not representative of the nation
>  as a whole either.

True, but you don't find very many Frenchmen in any American city.
Same goes for most European nationalities.
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From: carroll@cs.uiuc.edu (Alan M. Carroll)
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Organization: Technophiles Inc. - Engineers with Attitude
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:35:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.220920.22376@microsoft.com>, johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall) writes:
> | Terry Parks:
> | Would you PLEASE explain why you insist on spelling "black" as "blak"?
> | Are you just clumsy?  Or are you trying to be insulting?  Or what?

I'm not enthused about defend Terry, but I thought using "Blak" was in
fact favored by many African Americans.  I've seen it used here
before. Christopher Gray comes to mind as someone who was a strong
proponent of that spelling.

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From: collins@blkbox (Chad R. Collins)
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Organization: The Black Box, PO Box 591822 Houston, TX 77259-1822 
Distribution: usa,local
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:39:49 GMT

ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:

>  Maybe it's because we are the most easily identifiable.  I have known blacks
>  who look white and they have expressed the discrimination the face when it is
>  discovered that they are black.  White females in the work force are commonly
>  faced with the problem of it not being discovered that they are married to
>  a black man.  Co-workers of mine experienced it and told me so. 
>  It's kind of bad when in a white school system a white girl says to a black
>  boy "I like you but my dad would not approve...".  I'm not hung up on white
>  women, but this is another example of how integration has been a failure.  So
>  IMO I think it's best we part, as in another nation.  We have hell living
>  together as one nation under god.  It's getting to be one nation under satan.
> 			
	Well, looking at our country, it kinda seems to me that neither of
us ("us" being blacks and whites) really WANTS to become integrated- except in
limited circumstances. I mean, look at that guy vanilla ice- people saying
he couldn't be a rapper because he was white. And in the same vein, how many
times have you seen a politician quit an exclusive club and then rejoin right
after the elections are over? I can't really see a member of one of these
clubs ever wearing an 'X' hat or a rapper ever wear plaid pants and playing
golf- can you?
	The problem is- how can we live together if both of us are so
different? It won't be easy, that's for sure, but do we REALLY have any other
options? I mean, it would be nice to say that we can both just go our own
seperate ways and be done with it, but I dont really see how we could do that.
Face it, minorities really are pretty spread out in america- where would
this black nation be? New York? The people in the suburbs might have a problem
with that... The only real way to get a black nation is to bring back the old
'go back to africa' (which I doubt would be much more successful that here)-
something which I doubt either race would want.

Chad R. Collins
collins@blkbox.com

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From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Distribution: usa,local
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:33:45 GMT
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In article <1992Dec10.124204.1@milori.ccit.arizona.edu> ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec8.231456.7197@oracle.us.oracle.com>, mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec4.231441.10829@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas) writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec4.165214.27181@fid.morgan.com> sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart) write 

>> All I can say is that I wish I was as disadvantaged as Michael
>> Jackson, Eddie Murphy, Vernon Jordan, and Bill Cosby.  Heck, I
>> wouldn't even mind being as disadvantaged as all of them combined.

>  Yeah, and I wouldn't mind being as disadvantaged as Mick Jagger, Paul
>  McCartney, Rod Stewart, All of the rolling stones, and beatles, and other
>  European entertainers in addition to American entertainers who have come into
>  this nation and made big bucks.  

Same here.

>  How many foriegn blacks have come into the
>  U.S. and made Mega bucks?

Well, I don't have a count, but you have to remember - most people who
come from foreign countries and make big bucks seem to be
entertainers.  Most entertainers need to come from English speaking
countries to succeed here, and English speaking in this context mean
relatively accentless, so the Caribbean doesn't count.

However, just off hand, I do know that there is a Somali super-model.
She's done some fundraising for aid for Somaila.

>  In addition, why is it that so many people from
>  all nations except Africa are in the U.S. today?

You have obviously never taken a cab ride in New York or Boston.

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