From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Israeli soldiers kill Palestinian boy
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:14:34 GMT

In article <1622@tdat.teradata.COM> jcg@tdat.teradata.com (Jonathan Gingerich) writes:

# In article <1992Dec11.180913.20442@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:

# >In article <1568@tdat.teradata.COM> jcg@tdat.teradata.com (Jonathan Gingerich) writes:

# >>In article <1992Dec7.205912.5188@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:

# >>>Every Arabic language paper in the city printed the fact that the
# >>>"Temple Mount Faithful" had been prohibited from marching.  They

# >>Why is this compelling?  If there wasn't a conflict there wouldn't be a
# >>problem of trust in the first place.  In any event, the "Temple Mount
# >>Faithful" _did_ gather, and _did_ march.  They were stopped out of sight
# >>of the plaza.  They were not shot, nor tear-gassed, nor arrested.

# >They also cooperated with the police when told they would not be
# >allowed to enter the plaza.
 
# Well, consistency may be the hobgoblin of small minds... but if you insist
# that Muslims should not assemble because they "knew" the march was prohibited
# then shouldn't you insist on the same for the "Temple Mount Faithful"?
# Particularly since the latter were intending on marching.

	There is no problem with such insistance, particularly since they
did not assemble anywhere near there.

# Note that the Muslims cooperated with the police also - until they were 
# tear-gassed.  The marchers were not tear-gassed, just as Orthodox stoning
# cars on the Sabbath are not shot at.

	Setting fires, stoning, etc.  That's real cooperation for you.

# >>What "riot"?  The "police riot"?  The Muslims gathered to counter-protest
# >>were deliberately or accidently tear-gassed and responded by driving the
# >>militia from the plaza but not before one of there number was shot dead.

# >You fail to mention that the "crowd" was counter-protesting by
# >dropping rocks on the heads of the Jews praying below them, at the
# >Western Wall.  I was in Jerusalem that day, and saw the cleanup crews.
# >There was at least one truckload of rocks taken away, most of which
# >were larger than fist sized.
 
# Untrue.  Quite a few rocks were thown over the walls landing in the empty
# square _but_ well after the events you quote from my posting.

	That is totally untrue, and if you still believe it I gave you a
challenge in a prior opost on this thread which I hope you will take
up.

# >According to reports there were barrels full of rocks placed so that
# >the "counter-protest" could throw rocks more easily.
 
# Lies, probably spread by the militia to cover up their misdeeds.  As I
# stated else where this is confirmed by the Israeli judicial report.

	I highly doubt that is what the commission stated, however I do
not have it in front of me.  And you should know that due to their
religious beliefs, many of those stoned will not testify before an
Israeli commision nor will they be intervied on TV.

	If those were lies, how come the participants admit to them?

# Adam, you do need to do some reading on the massacre before post again.

	Look whose talking!
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

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