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From: dpaley@shearson.com (Deborah Paley)
Subject: Large apartment in Brooklyn Heights/Cobble Hill
Reply-To: dpaley@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Distribution: regional
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:17:04 GMT

BROOKLYN HEIGHTS/COBBLE HILL. 

Spacious eight room apartment (2 connected floor-thrus). 
Sunny, Two Baths, washer-dryer, dishwasher, backyard, skylights, 
access to basement storage. 

Good for couples, shares, family. Pets ok. 

Sublet from January or February to October '93.  Then 
landlord will almost certainly let you take over the lease.  

Call Debby at (212) 464-3862 or (718) 488-0603. 

Newsgroups: nyc.general
From: dpaley@shearson.com (Deborah Paley)
Subject: large apartment in Brooklyn Heights -- cost
Reply-To: dpaley@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:24:16 GMT


I posted an ad for a large apartment in Brooklyn Heights/Cobble Hill --
(8 rooms  -- 2 baths, backyard, sunny)  --- I forgot to say the rent is 
$1550 per month.  

Call Debby at (212) 464-3862 or (718) 488-0603.
From: ray.normandeau@factory.com (Ray Normandeau) 
Newsgroups: nyc.announce
Subject: USDHUD/NYCHA SCANDALS END
Date: 13 Dec 92 20:00:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis
Reply-To: ray.normandeau@factory.com (Ray Normandeau) 


Some tenants feel that he might have dragged the US Department of
Housing and Urban Development and the New York City Housing Authority
into the mud with singing about federal money going to organized
crime contractors.

Earlier this year the NY Post had disclosed that the US Department of
Housing and Urban Development had directed the New York City Housing
Authority to give a contract to organized crime contractors.

Rumor has it that there are VERY interesting minutes of meetings
floating around town. These minutes name names; contractors, New York
City Housing Authority big shots, US Department of Housing and Urban
Development big shots. Ears burning!

Rumor has it that some New York City Housing Authority employees
involved with money handling are SO upset that they have circulated
open letters complaining about what the employees feel are
improprieties. Now, if this is true, many people at New York City
Housing Authority would already know about this. Has there been
recent quick changes at the NYCHA? Will anyone step forward publicly?

Following a recent Normandeau Newswire posting someone suggested that
Anderson Windows of Brooklyn and Section 8 funding should be looked
into. It was said that Mead Esposito was connected with the firm. But
Queensbridge Houses tenant leaders simply don't have time to
investigate -so many scandals, so little time.

                                 ###

E-Mail Internet: ray.normandeau@factory.com
If your transmission is not acknowledged, it didn't get thru.
From: mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston)
Subject: Re: USDHUD/NYCHA SCANDALS END
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:13:37 GMT

In article <27.2683.uupcb@factory.com> ray.normandeau@factory.com (Ray Normandeau)  writes:
   Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis

I believe the 'Invention Factory' is a good name for the source of this
material.

MJ
--
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persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress
depends on the unreasonable man." - G.B. Shaw
Newsgroups: sci.electronics,rec.audio,alt.guitar,rec.music.makers.guitar
From: tjl@zeus02.desy.de(Tim Llewellyn)
Subject: Re: TEST Cassette??
Reply-To: tjl@zeus02.desy.de (Tim Llewellyn)
Organization: Bristol University Particle Physics Group /ZEUS Online
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:51:20 GMT

In article <BzBJ7L.624@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, mutrh@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Todd R.
Haverstock) writes:
|>Xref: dscomsa sci.electronics:1734 rec.audio:1470 alt.guitar:913
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|>From: mutrh@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Todd R. Haverstock)
|>Newsgroups:
|>sci.electronics,rec.audio,alt.guitar,rec.music.makers.guitar
|>Subject: TEST Cassette??
|>Message-ID: <BzBJ7L.624@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
|>Date: 15 Dec 92 20:50:08 GMT
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|>Is there such a thing as a TEST Cassette for use in a tape deck in
|>adjust
|>the head height and tape speed (or pitch) to the EXACT standard?  If
|>so
|>where can I get one?  Pleas email me.  THanks
|>
|>Todd R. Haverstock
|>mutrh@ecnuxa.bitnet
|>mutrh@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
|>

you can buy a variety of test tapes from TEAC, amongst others. For
azimuth aligment,
speed etc. The maintenance manual for my 4-track gives order codes but
unfortunately
it is the other side of Europe right now. 

Apparently these tapes are quite expensive (I heard approx 20 UK pounds each !)
so it may be better to get someone who does it for a living to set yours up.


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Newsgroups: sci.electronics
From: jhwhit01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Looking for MC3363
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:38:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Dec15.163154.24667@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, jeffj@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (jeffrey.n.jones) writes:
> I am looking for who sells the MC3363 chip from Motorola. Could someone
> please steer me to a known place that sells this and other chips from
> Motorola. I need only a few chips for some homebrew projects. I have called
> the obivious places and so far no luck. Thanks for any help here!
> 
> Jeff
 
Try Arrow Electronics (1-800-93-ARROW or 1-800-932-7769).  The MC3363DW is
listed in the 1988 catalog, stock # 1439CG2, for $2.96 each.
 
Just to recap, Arrow Electronics has (at least in the past) carried all of
the following chips:
 
Intel N8096-90 (2936TNE), N8097BH (2936KE9), A8097-90 (2936TNF), P8098 (2936KFA)
and N8097-90 (2936TNG).
 
General Electric CD22402D (5454DKS) and CD22402E (5454DFB).
 
Motorola MC3363DW (1439CG2).

Arrow Electronics has (had?) a wide selection of parts from various IC makers.
 
 
Jeff White   jhwhit01@ulkyvx.bitnet
 
p.s.: In case you missed it, all the chips I listed were being looked for this
past week by posters to the sci.electronics newsgroup.
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
From: tep@uwasa.fi (Timo Pitkaranta)
Subject: Re: Transmission line question
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:29:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.202004.15878@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> barr@tramp.Colorado.EDU (BARR DOUG) writes:
>Some specs I have call for ethernet coax to be grounded in one location
>and one location only! I am wondering why this is. Antenna effects,
>current loops or something else. Does anyone know why this is the case?
>
We recently had an experiance on this : one of our thin ethernet segments was
mistakenly grounded by a monitor cable case and the whole ethernet was 
slowed down drastically. Collision rate incresed from the normal(0.1 %) to
about 30 %. The reason is the 50 Hz (Power frequency) interferences which
come from the different potentials of groundings which in turn cause 50 Hz
current to flow in ethernet cable shielding and thus cause interference
voltage loss to generate.

--Timo--  tp@vitech.fi (Vaasa Institute of Technology)  

Newsgroups: sci.electronics
From: kevin@clsi.COM (Kevin Cameron)
Subject: Re: D O E S   A M E R I C A   S A Y   Y E S   T O   J A P A N ?
Originator: kevin@dubhe
Reply-To: kevin@clsi.com
Organization: CAD Language Systems Inc.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 21:49:05 GMT


From article <Bz0D9J.4x2@fc.sde.hp.com>, by fritz@fc.sde.hp.com (Gary Fritz):
> The sad fact is, America's educational system is busted, bad.  We're
> churning out tens of thousands of kids who can't read, can't handle
> basic math, and can't handle any job much more complex than flipping burgers.

I watched a talk on C-Span from a democratic convention last year. It was
said that the USA had followed a "low wage" policy in its education system, i.e.
it is designed to produce people to work on relatively low wages for industry.
Which does not work if foreigners will work for even lower wages. Japan, Germany,
Switzerland, France etc. educate for "high wages" and therefore do not suffer so
much from cheap foreign labour.

Kev.


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From: harpe@netnews.louisville.edu (Mike Harpe)
Subject: Re: Need help with PADS shareware
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:41:30 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

I have a different question.  Can I get PADS to display circuit traces 
in relative sizes?  In other words, I want 50 mil traces to be drawn wider
than 12 mil traces when I display the board.  It plots fine, i'd like to
see it that way on the screen.

Thanks!

Mike Harpe
University of Louisville
From: cyberman@toz.buffalo.ny.us (Cyberman)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Color Computer 3 inte
Date: 16 Dec 92 05:48:04 GMT
X-Maildoor: WaflineMail 1.00r


  Sir Richardson spoke forth saying:
"Re: Color Computer 3 inte" toward 
 on 12-14-92  17:12
 MR> On a similar vein, about 3 months ago I tried to get a digitized
 MR> sound driver working under level II, using the FIRQ.  The idea was to
 MR> use the empty space in $FExx and vector the FIRQ there, bypassing the
 MR> OS9 stuff (which was sloooow, and would crash if used!).  I got to the
 MR> point where I had a simple square wave generator running in ~$10
 MR> bytes, and which worked.... for a bit.  It would always crash after a
 MR> while, tho, as it seemed the IRQ was interfereing somehow.  So I
 MR> finally dropped it.  Too bad, a background sound driver would have
 MR> come in real handy.

    Where does MicroWare hide the kernal?  If I remember there is
    a task switch map.  (T0/T1).  this allows the computer to
    rapidly switch to the kernal and then return to the program.
    The question is how do they implement it?

SYSTEM MEMORY MAP:
 RAM      00000 - 7FFFF (512K bytes)
 ROM      78000 - 7FEFF when enabled
 I/O      XFF00 - XFFFF I/O space and GIME regs
 
64K PROCESS MAP:
 RAM       0000 -  FEFF (possible vector page FEXX)
 I/O       FF00 -  FFFF (appears in all pages)

    now acording to this FExx is NOT empty.

Note: the Vector Page RAM at 7FE00 - 7FEFF (when enabled), will appear instead
 of the RAM or ROM at XFE00 - XFEFF. (see FF90 Bit 3)

And this states the Vector page RAM is there when enabled.
That may have more to do with your problem.  I was considering
constructing a MOD player for the COCO (that would be cool).
of course the big limitation is memory (as ussual).  Another is
adjusting the interupt rate (60hz on the CC][ the CC]I[ has a
variable one).

To solve the memory problem I figure I can chop the lower 4
bits on each sample byte.  Then one can have 2x the sample space.
This wouldn't make a difference since the D/A has only 6 bits of
resolution anyway! (add 4 4 bit samples the result is 1 6 bit
value).  It may not sound great but it might be a first for the
Coco (who cares?).  It might be able to only work on the CC3
because it may be the only coco FAST enough to do the digital
mixing.

				Stephen Cyberman@Toz.Buffalo.NY.US
			 Mangled on Tue  12-15-1992  at 17:51:19

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Newsgroups: sci.electronics,sci.energy,rec.autos.tech
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Flywheel batteries as EV power source
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:31:46 GMT

In article <BzE2oz.I4H@ns1.nodak.edu> csmith@plains.NoDak.edu (Carl Smith) writes:
>In article <1goebdINNik@gap.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>>
>>But enough energy to move that vehicle
>>on the order of 100 miles at freeway speeds is still around there someplace. 
>>It didn't just vanish.  And that's a LOT of energy.  And it got dumped FAST.
>>
>>In other words:  BOOM!
>
>I am not going to argue the above point, but consider this.  If you are
>going to measure danger by the amount of stored energy, then which is
>more dangerous when it explodes?  A flywheel that has enough energy to 
>move a car 100 miles at freeway speeds, or a tank of gasoline with enough 
>energy to move a car at greater-than-highway speeds for 300 miles?

The difference is that liquid gasoline can't explode, only a properly
mixed 14:1 ratio vapor can explode or burn completely while the flywheel
can fail explosively. Liquid gasoline is a potential fire hazard in a
collision, but it is not an explosion hazard unless the liquid is properly
vaporized and mixed in the correct ratio with oxygen. TV reruns of the A Team  
notwithstanding, gas tanks can't explode if they're full. A nearly empty 
tank *may* explode under the right conditions, but the force is much less 
than the energy content of a full tank of gas.

Gary
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
From: qbarnes@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Quentin Barnes)
Subject: Re: wired IR repeater?
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Urbana Design Center
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:48:37 GMT

In <Bz9n8u.Ir5@ssesco.com> elmquist@pez.ssesco.com (Chris Elmquist) writes:

>This may have been discussed here recently... if so, perhaps someone
>can point me to the archive.

>What's involved in building a wired IR repeater ? (to control equipment
>inside a closed cabinet for example).  Is there more to it than just
>a receiver, amp, and transmitter LED ?  I seem to remember some discussion
>where a 555 timer was being used (to re-time perhaps ?)

>Does anyone have a circuit for such a beast ?  I know where to buy them
>(for $50+) but I'm interested in integrating a homebrew circuit...

I built a point-to-point infrared repeater for my house using the
Radio Shack IR receiver/demodulator (it costs about $3.50).

Use the little, silver cube.  Most all remotes today use the 40khz
carrier and work fine with the setup.

When using the cube remember two important things: ground the cube's
metal shell! (cost me a few hours debugging to the erratic behavior
with an open shield) and the data sheet lies.  The biggest lie is
the output waveform.  On my data sheet, it shows a positive logic
waveform.  It is actually inverted.  Also, the data sheet gives
no specs on the output signal (volts/current draw) at all.

I built the receiver (cube, 2N2222 to drive the line, and an led
for feedback) in an RS-232 shell on a wire-wrap 14-pin socket.  I
connected a three wire (+5v, gnd, and signal) to the receiver and
ran it back to the transmitter/power supply next to my equipment.

I used the diagram on the back of the cube's data sheet to build
the remodulator.  (The RC used for the 555 varies depending on
who made the 555.  Don't trust the sheet.  Walk through the timing
calculations for the 555 you buy.)  The signal line turns the
555 running at 40khz on and off (modulates) it recreating the
original signal.

If you have access to a 'scope, buy an IR photo-transistor for
debugging.  I also found the radio shack IR detector card useful
too. 

If you want more detail, let me know.

>Thanks.

>Chris


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>elmquist@SSESCO.com
>73267.2711@Compuserve.com
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Newsgroups: sci.electronics,sci.energy,rec.autos.tech
From: dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska)
Subject: Re: Flywheel batteries as EV power source
Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder CO
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:51:11 GMT

It seems that the energy would never be more than in a tank of gasoline
and that it need not be shielded any better than that tank of gasoline
for it to be considered as an alternative from the perspective of
safety.  We know how dangerous an exploding gas tank can be but we
also know that it doesn't explode too often.
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From: albrecht@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Chad Edward Albrecht)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: Re: [* NINTENDO PG PINNOUT... *]
Date: 20 Dec 1992 19:10:59 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

PowerGlove:

PIN		DESCRIPTION
---		-----------
 1		Ground
 2		Data Clock
 3		Latch
 4		Data Out
 5 		---
 6		---
 7		Vcc +5v

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Newsgroups: sci.electronics,rec.autos.tech
From: andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang)
Subject: Re: Flywheel Failure
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:48:53 GMT

In article <57411@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> fredl@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Fred Leffingwell) writes:
>
>	There is a lot of speculation on this subject and not much
>	aggreement.

I'll agree on this point.

>	My thought is - haven't any of the tests been run to the 
>	failure point?  Have any actual working prototypes been 
>	built?  It would seem not.  This was easy to understand 

Yes they have been built and they presumably have been tested to
failure.  However, I read it in a newspaper report which I have since
tossed and cannot provide conclusive references.  Either the flywheel
"con"s are not aware of the report or they dispute it.

>	So Is the real reason for not storing energy in a flywheel
>	the danger?  If so why the comments that the things simply
>	fail in a cotton candy like fluff?

This is the main point of dispute.  "Pro"s like me believe the testing
that showed failure dissipating into fluff.  "Con"s believe that
failure means BOOM.  Without a controlled test, its all speculative,
regardless of the quality of analysis we apply.

>	Fred Leffingwell (fredl@olivetti.com)

A clarification, as Carl surmised, is that I really don't believe in
EV per se, but rather in using the flywheel as a power "capacitor" in
between a small, efficient IC engine and the driveshaft.  By storing
mechanical energy in a FW over a large time, we can dump it in 100hp
bursts for acceleration.

-andy huang
From: dino@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Tony stewart)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: Re: What are the threshold levels for RS-232?
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:10:33 CST
Organization: The Inquiring Mind BBS  1 204 488-1607

widow@camelot.bradley.edu (Shaun Burnett) writes:

> 	I know that the RS-232 voltage levels are +9 V for high level
> 	and -9 V for a low level.  However, how far can you deviate
> 	under +9 V and still have the signal considered a high level?
> 	Also, how high can the voltage be increased from -9 V and
> 	still have the signal considered a low level signal?
> 
> 	Thanks.
> 
> 
> Shaun Burnett		    |	"You can't survive on a new planet with a
> widow@camelot.bradley.edu   |	soul full of hope and fresh air you know."
> OS/2--Happy Happy Joy Joy--OS/2		-  Dr. Who (Tom Baker)

I USED TO SAVE THIS QUESTION FOR INTERVIEWING ENGINEERS WHO CLAIM THEY 
KNOW ALOT ABOUT RS-232.  answer the same as TTL..

NEXT QUESTION .. WHO KNOW THE REAL THRESHOLD OF TTL OUT THERE?

ANSWER .. 2 PN JUNCTION DROPS .65Vx2 = 1.3 or so.

NEXT QUESTION.. WHO KNOW S THE VOLTAGE OF A FLOATING INPUT TTL DEVICE?..

ANSWER . SAME AS LAST ANSWER...

You score hi marks if you knew all the answers. Give yourself a pat on 
the back.

If you didn't get a meter and try it. 
At least that's they worked 10 years ago.

dino@inqmind.bison.mb.ca
The Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba  204 488-1607
From: cmh@eng.cam.ac.uk (C.M. Hicks)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Handling CMOS
Date: 14 Dec 92 12:07:07 GMT
Organization: cam.eng

more_da@pts4.pts.mot.com (DAN MORERA) writes:

>In article 30773@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU, gw214790@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Galen Watts) writes:
>>If you use sockets, don't take the chips out of the package until you install
>>them.
>>The way I install CMOS chips is in the bathroom.  Take the circuit board, all
>>the tools you might need and the chips into the b-room and close the door.
>>Run the shower on HOT for a few minutes, until the mirror fogs over.  Leave the
>>water running (maybe turn it down a little), touch the board and the package the
>>IC's are in together, open the package and insert the IC as quickly as possible.
>>The idea is to use the high humidity to dissipate any static charges.  
>>Frequently touch the board and chip packages together before removing the chips
>>just in case.  If you need to remove an IC, do the bathroom stuff, and put the
>>chip into a sheet of aluminum foil so the foil touches all the pins.
>>
>>I've done this for a few years and have NEVER blown a CMOS IC inserting it.
>>Blowing it in the circuit is another matter I won't go into.
>>

>This isn't a flame or anything, but are you serious?  Boy, am I glad I live in
>sunny and humid South Florida, because I would hate to take a shower everytime
>I play around with CMOS parts.  :-)

>I guess a simple ground strap doesn't suffice up there, huh?

I've never blown a CMOS chip either. I work on a bare chipboard bench (no
melamine or varnish etc) and am simply careful to touch the packaging and
board simultaneously while handling the chip. All this bathroom stuff seems
bizarre - do you get contact corrosion because of water trapped in the
sockets :-? BTW, conductive foam is much more usable than foil.

Christopher

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Newsgroups: sci.electronics
From: toddi@mav.com (Todd Inch)
Subject: Re: Cheap Light Show
Organization: Maverick International Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 21:16:46 GMT

In article <1g7fo3INNi8k@sdl.Warren.MENTORG.COM> garyg@Warren.MENTORG.COM writes:

>The key element is a flourescent lamp starter.  Those of you old
>enough may still remember the flashing startup of a fixture using
>these.

Of course, especially this time of year, you can pick up reddish/brown
bakelite flashers (intended for Christmas lights) for about $2.  Random
flash? No.
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
From: canright@convex.com (Robert Canright)
Subject: Re: EDUCATION
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:59:19 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

> Does anybody know anything about the German school system? A freind of mine
>	spent some time in school in Germany and told me that they were
>	"wicked smart", mostly because of the competetiveness of the students.

>			-BRETT MELLOR

Some number of years ago there was an article in Newsweek that said that
the German government sent an evaluation team here to assess US colleges.
Their schools were crowded & they were considering permitting them to come
here for credit.  There conclusion was that their high school grads were
the equivalent of someone who had finished the 1st 2 years at one of our
universities.

The Germans I have personally spoken with told me that they don't have
masters degrees.  Their bachelor's is the equivalent of our master's.
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