HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: slug@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Wowbagger The Infinitely Prolonged)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.arch,comp.sys.intel
Subject: Re: Best 486dx setup.
Date: 26 Jan 1993 00:54:20 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: magritte.cc.utexas.edu



In article <edm.727576401@wrs.com> edm@wrs.com (Ed McClanahan) writes:
>slug@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Wowbagger The Infinitely Prolonged) writes:
>
>>For what it's worth, I just ordered the following:
>
>>Price: 3380 (including shipping)
>
>Compare the above (no-name?) to Gateway 66V system at $2995:
>
> both floppies
> VL-Bus ATI GUP w/ 1M VRAM
> mouse
> keyboard
> full-size case
> 15" MAG MX15F (top-rated 15")
>
> +plus+
>
> MS-DOS 5.0/Windows 3.1
> One S/W package (e.g. AmiPro)
>
>Adding 8MB RAM and 1MB VRAM (to ATI GUP) should be much less than
>the $385 difference in prices.  Is there some other distinctive
>feature in the system you ordered that caused you to choose it
>over the Gateway system (which seems to be about the best deal
>around these days)?
>


Well, I did consider Gateway.  Here is what they would need to meet
the requirements of my system:

Shipping: $95
Memory (to 16MB) $360
Cache upgrade: $45
Monitor upgrade (to digital, micorprocessor controlled): ?? (around $100, 
   and monitor would have to be purchased separately from another company
   since Gateway does not offer a digital 15" FS monitor)

Total price quoted to me by Gateway rep: $3495 (with non-digital monitor)

And, I do not like full-size desktops.  Upgrade to tower with Gateway was
another $100, and nothing with the people I bought from (I opted for mini
AT desktop case)

Plus, there was no price quote on the VRAM upgrade, but last I heard, it
was not available from Gateway, and could cost as much as $150 from ATI...

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From: jfe@alchemy.TN.Cornell.EDU (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: Pentia
Organization: The Loyal Taxpayers Pub
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:54:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.035202.18279@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.TN.Cornell.EDU (Brian Chung) writes:
>	Looks like you forgot to brush up on your Latin and Greek.  If
>Intel follows its logic, P6 should be called Heptium, not Sextium.  But
>then, for marketing purposes, they just might...remember the time when
>Apple insisted SCSI be pronounced "sexy"?
>>
	Silly me...I caught the error right after I sent the article out.
P6, of course, should be called Hexium...  
>
-- 
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jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu      | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
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From: rwa@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Ross Alexander)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.std.misc
Subject: Re: Metric again...
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:50:51 GMT
Followup-To: alt.folklore.computers

slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth "the Lesser") writes:
>stirling@ozrout.uucp (Stirling Westrup) writes:
>>After all 4' is four feet, and 6" is six inches, so 345"' should be
>>345/1000 of an inch.
>Uh, seems to me that would be 345/12 of an inch.

That assumes a fixed radix.  Think pounds-shillings-pence, or
hours-minutes-seconds.  Get all those nasty metrified simplifying
assumptions out of your mindset :).

regards,
Ross

ps: did I mention stones-pounds-ounces?  Fine.
--
Ross Alexander  rwa@cs.athabascau.ca  (403) 675 6311  ve6pdq@nebulus.ampr.ab.ca
	"All television is children's television." -- Richard P. Adler
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.lang.misc
From: monnier+@cs.cmu.edu (Stefan Monnier)
Subject: Re: BCPL
Keywords: where`o'where
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:27:26 GMT

In article <P9aqXB1w165w@mantis.co.uk> tony@mantis.co.uk (Tony Lezard) writes:
>weisberg@ee.rochester.edu (Jeff Weisberg) writes:
>
>It had some nice syntactic elements as well. I can't think of any
>languages where you can make tests of the form
>
>    IF 4 <= x <= 8  $( ... $)
>
>(with the test succeeding if x is between 4 and 8 inclusive.)
>

I seem to remember that ICON has the same capability 

	Stefan
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Public-access Unices
Date: 21 Jan 1993 14:48:17 GMT
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202

ftit@yahara.engin.umich.edu (Sergej Roytman) writes:
>I have a friend who's graduated and gone out into the Real World not
>long ago.  He's a EE and discovered the joys of the Internet only in his
>last term here.  Since he's out of here, his account should be deleted
>soon, and he asked me to find out where there are public-access Unices.
>He has a Unix box on the Internet at work, but doesn't seem to have any
>network daemons running.  Anyway, attempts at ping and telnet to the
>address he gave me failed, as did SMTP.

Many sites attached to the internet do not allow routing of packets to
all hosts on their network.  This makes it easier to keep the systems
secure.  It's likely that this is the problem.

Another possibility is that he's not really on the Internet but
actually on a local net with no gateway access at all.  In these days
of mail exchangers it's not always easy to tell, but one way to do it
is to get his email address and use dig or nslookup to ask for both
its internet address and its mail exchanger address.  If you can't get
an internet address but you find a mail exchanger that isn't part of
their named domain (ie the mail exchanger is mail.foo.com but he works
at bar.com) then they're probably not really on the internet.

Another possibility is that their connection is done via PPP
(point-to-point protocol), in which case the connection is
intermittent and you just tried to ping it at a time when it wasn't
connected.

>Is it possible for a machine to be on the Internet and not have inetd
>running, by the way?

Yes.  Inetd is just a program that listens to many ports at once and
spawns the appropriate process when a connection is made.  This is
done to avoid needing a daemon running all the time for every network
service you offer, which is a lot of overhead for services you don't
use very often.  The drawback is that it takes longer for the actual
service provider to start handling new connections because it must be
started up.

On most versions of UNIX network daemons aren't required at all,
although most network-aware systems have them.  It's up to the
particular site to decide whether or not they want to run
externally-visible services.

A Public-access UNIX on the east coast is The World, 617 739 9753.

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: greg@Quotron.COM (Greg "Maddog" Knauss)
Subject: Re: "Emoticon" and Webster's
Organization: Quotron System, Inc.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:18:22 GMT

dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) writes:

>On Sunday, I heard an interview with the editor of the Random House
>dictionary (is that now New Webster's?).  When asked for an example of a
>word that is in the process of moving from jargon to general use, he
>chose "emoticon", citing recent NYT and WSJ articles.  Expect to see it
>in the next edition.

How, by the way, is "emoticon" pronounced?  "Emoti-con" or "emot-icon"?
--
Greg Knauss (greg@quotron.com)                       "Llamas, dammit!  Llamas!"
From: grog@lemis.uucp (Greg Lehey)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: So you want to be an apprentice
Keywords: Everybody wants to be a wizzard, but we forget that before we become wizzards, we have to be apprentices sometime. We all forget
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:28:59 GMT
Organization: LEMIS, W-6324 Feldatal, Germany

In article <27JAN199311383476@rover.uchicago.edu> frank@rover.uchicago.edu writes:
>	I do know that both PDP-8 and PDP-11 coders failed to adaquately
>	account for the longevity of their code. Nobody at the time thought
>	they would be writing for the year 2000, or they would not have
>	expressed the date as 01-jan-xx.

Omega, the late lamented operating system of the UNIVAC 494, stored
dates internally as 5 Fieldata digits in a word (6 bits per character,
30 bits per word). This uncomfortable fit was achieved in two
different ways:

1. 2 digits year, 3 digits day of year (today would be 93028).
2. 2 digits day, 2 digits month, 1 digit year (today would be 28013).

It was the second one, of course, that gave us real headaches on 
2 January 1980.
-- 
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LEMIS                            | Fax: +49-6637-1489
Schellnhausen 2, W-6324 Feldatal, Germany
From: ricochet@spatula.rent.com (Rick O'Shea)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: PROPER PRONOUNCIATION
Date: 26 Jan 93 04:42:42 GMT
Reply-To: sysop@fidonet.org
Organization: A kitchen utensil somewhere in central New Jersey

In alt.folklore.computers, andor@inode.com writes:
> 
>  -=> Quoting Styri@hal.nta.no to News <=-
> 
>  St> cts1@cec2.wustl.edu (Christopher T. Schuster) writes:
>  > Also, what is ISDN?  I haven't quite gotten that one yet, either!
>  St> It used to be ~I Still Don't kNow", but I not certain any longer.
> 
> ISDN = Integrated Services Digital Network.
> --- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10

Woop! Woop! Woop! Clueless alert!
Penalty: Sarcasm mistaken for actual query.
Double penalty points for use of inappropriate Fidonet "technology", 
while the tasteless text graphic arrows count for a triple multiplier.
Thanks for playing.
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From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Number of numbers (Was Re: PI)
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:15:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.195603.11987@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> baylor@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
> Howabout a definition that the set of all integers (positive and negative)
> is the set of numbers that have the following property:
> You cannot create a number outside the set by the operations 
> of addition, subtraction, or multiplication, but you can create a 
> number outside the set by division.

You have to define addition, subtraction, and so on, and probably seed the
set with 1. I would suggest you check out Knuth's "Surreal Numbers".
ISBN 0-201-03812-9
-- 
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  'U`    
Tarjoilija, tm ateria el viel.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: hdavies@rx.xerox.com (Hugh J.E. Davies)
Subject: Re: Iraq uses TCP/IP? And its cheap, too!
Reply-To: hdavies@rx.xerox.com
Organization: Rank Xerox Ltd.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:03:36 GMT

In article 3B8mXB7w165w@mertwig.uucp, daniel@mertwig.uucp (Daniel Drucker) writes:
>avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) writes:
>                     [TCP/IP IRAQ]
>> For all i know it's the reason why cisco routers are still on
>> the COCOM's list of sensitive technology. Pretty stupid, though,
>> because a 386 box with a proper software (read BSD/386) and hardware
>> (read a $500 V.35 HDLC board) can do the trick just as well.
>
>Not even that is needed. A dos box running KA9Q's tcp/ip suite (avail
>from simtel-20) which is free does the same thing, with less overhead.
>If you're into that sort of thing.
>
>A compatible card costs about $79. I know, because my local LAN uses
>them. It has 34 nodes (school,friends,etc.), running a combo of TCP/IP
>and SLIP. Most links are wireless (amateur radio), though. TCP/IP is a
>great protocol for wireless links, actually...
>
>
>
>--
>Daniel Drucker        N2SXX       Coconut seashells whispering to me
>daniel%mertwig@uunet.uu.net         "Forever, forever, my Coda..."


Sigh. Not to say that Phil Karn hasn't done a great job, because he has, and
I run the KA9Q package both at work over copper Ethernet and at home over amateur
radio, but if you knew anything at all about packet radio, you would know that
TCP/IP is *not* a great protocol for amateur radio links.

Back in the kill-file you go!
---


Regards,

Hugh.
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From: Tony Lezard <tony@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.lang.misc
Subject: Re: BCPL
Keywords: where`o'where
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 13:27:36 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

weisberg@ee.rochester.edu (Jeff Weisberg) writes:

> I recently came across a book on BCPL (the language).  It is  in-
> teresting  to see where features of C evolved from.  I thought it
> would be interesting to give it a try, and was wondering if  any-
> one  has,  or  knows  about an implementation I could get up on a
> sun3, to try out the language, before I try  to  throw  something
> together myself.

Ah yes, an excellent language which I trust all Compsci graduates
from Cambridge University (over a certain age) will remember fondly.

I was always struck by the purity of the idea of a language with just
one data type, the (32 bit where I was) word.

The similarity with C (which could be considered as BCPL's grandson)
is obvious although some symbols changed, such as ~ (in BCPL) became
! (in C), * became \, ! became * etc.

It had some nice syntactic elements as well. I can't think of any
languages where you can make tests of the form

    IF 4 <= x <= 8  $( ... $)

(with the test succeeding if x is between 4 and 8 inclusive.)

--
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        storing and recovering information" -- Mark Lansdale
From: andersa@Riga.DoCS.UU.SE (Anders Andersson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: What is an IBM 5120?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 23:43:57 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University, Sweden
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: riga.docs.uu.se

A local dealer (of used furniture, not computers) has a kind of
unit looking somewhat like a DEC VT52/DECscope terminal (this is
just a rough comparison), but with an 8-inch floppy drive, and
labeled IBM 5120.  Guessed age: From the seventies.  Does anybody
know what it is; an independent desktop computer, or a simple
terminal merely for use with a larger IBM system?  If the latter,
does the label refer to the terminal itself or to the remote
system (which of course is not to be found with this dealer)?
Bruce Watson's table lists IBM 5100 from 1975; is it related?

In particular, we'd like to know whether this unit might be of
any `historical' interest and possibly worth a closer look,
before advising our dealer to throw it away.
-- 
Anders Andersson, Dept. of Computer Systems, Uppsala University
Paper Mail: Box 325, S-751 05 UPPSALA, Sweden
Phone: +46 18 183170   EMail: andersa@DoCS.UU.SE
From: aj923@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (P. J. Remner)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: You know you've been playing games too long when...
Date: 27 Jan 1993 01:56:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aj923@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (P. J. Remner)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, dudek@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Cybard=) says:

>...you dream in 640x480x256 VGA!


...you dream ABOUT 1600x1200x16.7M SVGA!

 - Pete "And you have nightmares about the speed..."
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.lang.misc
From: ercm20@festival.ed.ac.uk (Sam Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Pentia
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:42:10 GMT

cline@cs.scarolina.edu (Ernest Cline) writes:
+ st1g9@rosie.uh.edu (Lee Preimesberger) writes:
+ 
+ |alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith) writes...
+ |#If a "586" is a Pentium (pl. Pentia?), then are 386s trivia?
+ |
+ |	Hmm, then I guess the P6 will be ye-cleppen the "Sexium."  I can 
+ |hardly wait for the ads! :-)
+ 
+ No, not all the P6 will be the truly magical "Hexium."
+ Of course the really hep chip to use will be the P7.

... but those of us who realy want performance will wait for the high
octane P8.  (Or just buy an Alpha :-) )

Sam
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: adam@owlnet.rice.edu (Adam Justin Thornton)
Subject: Re: Pentia
Organization: Milo's Meadow
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:47:29 GMT

In article <1kFlOk#8QpDSL2LBcfK51Hfpz5pG1Lm=esr@snark.thyrsus.com> esr@snark.thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond) writes:
>In <23JAN199316325658@rosie.uh.edu> Lee Preimesberger wrote:
>> #If a "586" is a Pentium (pl. Pentia?), then are 386s trivia?
>> 	Hmm, then I guess the P6 will be ye-cleppen the "Sexium."  I can 
>> hardly wait for the ads! :-)
>Nah.  They'll call it the "Hexium" and theme the adds around some Hollywood-
>style witch with a black hat and nose warts.  This will righteously piss off
>all us neopagan hackers, but Intel won't care 'cause it knows we bought
>SPARC 23s (the workstation so cheap they *deliver* it in a pizza box...).
>					Eric S. Raymond <esr@snark.thyrsus.com>

And the one after _that_ will be the "Septium" and all the really _cool_ hackers
will put rings through theirs.

Adam

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 Be true to yourself and the Grateful Dead." --Joan Baez  | 64,928 | fthagn!
"Very often, a common stone, thrown away and despised, is worth more than
 a cow." -- Paracelsus | If these were Rice's opinions I'd shoot myself.
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From: brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca (breadner ken u)
Subject: Re: VIC-20 returns!
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:28:01 GMT

Well, now that you mention it...

The Sinclair was SCARY. The keyboard on that piece of trash was just
terrible. No feel at all. Felt like a McDonald's cash register, actually.

-- 
Ken Breadner	(brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca)	Wilfrid Laurier University
lunatic		(the BREADbox...) 	Waterloo, Ontario, Canada 
Disclaimer: my opinions are warped. Nobody shares them.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: tom_van_vleck@taligent.com (Tom Van Vleck)
Subject: Re: First word processor
Followup-To: alt.folklore.computers
Organization: Taligent Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:31:45 GMT

Daniel P. B. Smith wrote:
>... A piece of software called TJ-2 (TJ for Type 
> Justifier) was in declining use (i.e. its peak was EARLIER) circa 1964 or
> so at MIT.  I believe it was used to print the Tech Model Railroader's
> newsletter.  It was a primitive, but recognizable RUNOFF-like system
> (no attempt at WYSIWYG editing; separate editor/formatter).
> ...
> I'm PRETTY sure that Digital got into typesetting and had a package
> called TYPSET/RUNOFF or something of the sort, TYPSET being the "real"
> typesetter and RUNOFF intended to be the rough-proof-on-fixed-pitch-printer
> tool.  I think these antedated and influenced the UNIX tools, i.e. I
> think the name TROFF is derived from the then-popular RUNOFF.
> ...
> I can't prove it, but I believe these historical features (paper tape,
> letter-quality upper/lowercase typewriters) influenced the way Digital
> designed products, which in turn influenced some of the thinking of the
> designers of UNIX.  

MIT's Compatible Time-Sharing System (CTSS) provided the MEMO, MODIFY,
and DITTO commands as far back as 1962. MEMO was a command for typing in.
MODIFY was a command to revise a file already typed in. Both were line
number based. DITTO typed it out. These were upper-and-lower-case
versions of CTSS's INPUT, EDIT, and PRINT commands. They were
primitive and hard to use, and I don't think they were necessarily the
first: TX-0 had been around for some years and many neat hacks had 
been written for it.

The first editor I ever saw that let you modify a file AND look at its
contents was called CTEST9, written for CTSS by IBM's Art Samuel, the
checkers program guy. This editor was followed by ED, which had input 
and edit modes and a change command, very like today's UNIX line editors.

TYPSET and RUNOFF, written by Jerome H. Saltzer as tools to format his
MIT PhD thesis, were the next generation of document preparation
programs on CTSS.  TYPSET was a line editor, like ED, but it worked with
upper and lower case letters.  RUNOFF was the output program. It typed
files out on an IBM 1050 Selectric typewriter. RUNOFF had the basic idea
of "command lines" beginning with dot and text to be formatted on lines
not beginning with dot.  (Saltzer credited Expensive Typewriter as one
inspiration for TYPSET and RUNOFF.)

RUNOFF was indeed the ancestor of roff, troff, etc. TYPSET and TUNOFF
were used for Multics documentation, while it was being developed on
CTSS. We needed a version that would run on the Multics machine, and
Rudd Canaday and Dennis Ritchie produced a BCPL version of RUNOFF that
was used for years as the Multics text formatter. J. F. Ossanna was
another Multician and colleague of Canaday and Ritchie at Bell Telephone
Laboratories: he wrote many documents in RUNOFF and was the author of
UNIX roff.

tom <tom_van_vleck@taligent.com>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: baylor@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: You know you've been playing games too long when...
Reply-To: baylor@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 23:40:02 GMT

In article <1k3tkpINNi38@corax.udac.uu.se>, 
sverkerw@csd.uu.se (Sverker Wiberg) writes:
>aldavi01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Arlie Davis) writes:
>   You just be relieved; at least one of you didn't have 
to block the other, and
>   thus be blown up later.
>If you dig under the blocker (making it fall), it will start 
walking. Then you have to stop the digger.

You stop a digger by making it a builder. (But I didn't realize 
the blocker would walk again. Thanks.)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: wcsjc@alfred.carleton.ca (John Coughlin)
Subject: Re: What one-liner, joke, saying would you like to see on a T-shirt
Organization: Carleton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:06:50 GMT

In <C18G3u.9wn@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> saddler@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Ray, just Ray) writes:

>- $rm -r /

Or, slightly better:
   #rm -rf /
-- 
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Net: wcsjc@ccs.carleton.ca     Vox: +1 613 957-2851     Fax: 990-7370
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