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From: higgins@fnalo.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Title of "Short-short" story collection?
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:30:47 GMT
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In article <1993Jan3.175725.2658@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek) writes:
> I once saw a book edited by Asimov and someone else, titled something
> like "100 Great Science Fiction Short-Short Stories".  In order to find
> this book, it would help to know a) both the editors, and b) the exact
> wording of the title.  If you know this book, please reply.  Also, does
> anyone know if it is still in print?

Others have pointed out *100 Great Science Fiction Short-Short
Stories* and *Microcosmic Tales*.

Much earlier (late Sixties, perhaps?)  Asimov edited a collection of
short-shorts with Groff Conklin.  Don't recall the title exactly, but
it might have been *50 Science Fiction Short-Short Stories*.  Possibly
it appeared in paperback only and not in hardcover.  

This ought to be enough info for somebody with access to a good card
catalogue to nail it down...

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From: zs@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Zoltan Somogyi)
Subject: Re: Heinlein - Politically correct?
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 10:01:18 GMT

somebody:
>Where are they?  They're piloting the ships.  It's made clear that they are
>given this duty because (1) they are more fit for it than men [e.g., better
>reaction times] and ...

djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes) writes:
>The first is a clear case of statistics abuse; the *average* woman has a better
>reaction time than the *average* man, but a given man may well have a reaction
>time far better than *most* women.

If you have two normally distributed populations with slightly different means,
the middles of the two distributions will mostly overlap; thus the odds that
a particular woman has faster reaction times than a particular man may be very
little higher than 50%.

However, if reaction time is important in piloting a starship, one would not
pick average people, males or females, for the job. One would select the
people with the best reaction times. And at the end of the normal distribution,
a _small_ difference in _average_ reaction time is translated into a _large_
difference in the _number_ of individuals having a certain very good reaction
time.

I assume we can take it as given that in the real world, the difference between
the top running speeds of males and females is much smaller than the variations
within each gender. (There are a lot of women who can run faster than me,
and I am male - since you probably can't tell from the name.) Yet when you
watch the Olympics, almost all competitors in the men's 100m dash, even those
eliminated in the first heat, run faster times than the winner of the women's
100m dash.

Zoltan Somogyi <zs@cs.mu.OZ.AU>
Department of Computer Science, University of Melbourne, AUSTRALIA
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From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: On the useful ness of Canons
Date: 4 Jan 1993 12:39:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Some of my most pleasant Sunday afternoons were spent on a
cannon crew (muzzle-loading) lobbing 6 oz frozen juice cans
filled with concrete at a mark. The barbecue and tamales were
good too.
  "The mules are dead, General, we'll haul the Parrot rifles
ourselves".
-- 
Ted....
From: David.Dyer-bennet@f0.n551.z0.tdkt.kksys.com (David Dyer-bennet)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Morphing fantasy -> SF
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 12:49:17 -0600

 Co> Maybe we can start a new thread.  Can anyone think of a cover/blurb
 Co> combination that led you to think a book was SF (or fantasy) when it
 Co> was actually fantasy (or SF)?

Jack Chalker's Flux & Anchor books seemed to me to be fantasy for the
first two or three books, and then suddenly became SF.  Janny
Wurt[sz] Stormwarden did the same thing.
From: ig25@fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Niven/Mote in God's Eye
Date: 8 Jan 1993 15:25:47 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
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In article <1h5k6bINN1oo@hp-col.col.hp.com> lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson) writes:
>Niven/Pournelle books are not the same as Niven
>books. Many people like both, of course, but I find that I quite enjoy
>the collaborative efforts but can't finish most books by Niven alone. My
>perception is that Niven has these great ideas, and Pournelle adds stuff
>like plot and characterization. Your mileage may vary.

I think you are right for later Niven, say after 1975 or so.  He seems
to have lost his knack for characterization around that time.  His
earlier novels, like "World of Ptavvs", "Protector", plus his Known
Space short stories, usually have quite believable characters.
-- 
Thomas Koenig, ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de, ig25@dkauni2.bitnet
The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic
diagram.
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From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: Re: THE GRIPPING HAND by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:58:40 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1993Jan7.222832.11694@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:
> A couple of people have mentioned this.  Maybe this is spelled out in
> MOTE, but if it was in TGH I missed it.  Had it been spelled out, some
> of my objections would have been withdrawn.

Yes, it was discussed in Mote, though not at great length.

> As it stood, however, it
> just seemed as if the authors decided to pattern their society after
> that of the United States in the 1950s.  One of the things I look for
> in a novel is some indication of what came before--why the society, the
> characters, and the philosophies are what they are.  I didn't find that
> here, and if one must read the previous novel to find it, then this
> should have been issued as part of a set and not a stand-alone.  (As
> you might guess, I have a thing about books in series that don't stand
> on their own.  YMMV.)

It's hard to know what to say to that.  After all, it has been 18 years --
but I found the portions where characters explained what the other party
should have known to be very awkwardly done.  I'd have preferred a five
or ten page synopsis of Mote to seeing all that mingled in.

Anyway, my criticisms of TGH -- and I'll try to write them up in the
next few days -- are almost completely non-ideological, even though
I generally agree with Evelyn.  Basically, TGH was just bad writing.
From: esr@snark.thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: John Woods Campbell
Date: 7 Jan 93 01:36:16 GMT

In <1993Jan6.030621.3615@math.ucla.edu> Bret Jolly wrote:
>    Eric, you pompous windbag, Dave knows quite as much
> about saifai as you do, and considerably more about
> certain aspects.

Nobody precious enough to call the field "saifai" has any business calling
*me* a pompous windbag.  And there's no content in the rest of your posting
either --- despite his (curable) ignorance, I've got a lot more respect for
David Stein than I do for you.

Get lost.
-- 
					Eric S. Raymond <esr@snark.thyrsus.com>
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Niven a misogynist?
Organization: Free Faerie Front
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:10:16 GMT

In article <9301080721.AA18439@rutgers.edu> BECKS@TAUNIVM.TAU.AC.IL (Sara Beck) writes:
>[Mote In God's Eye]
>also had yet another example of Niven's quite extraordinary
>misogyny, which I don't think has been mentioned on the net.  If a
>writer comes up with ONE alien species in which the females are
>non-sentient or non-intelligent, or in which the process of
>reproduction is fraught with catastrophic threats and dangers, one
>can say that it doesn't make sense scientifically but hey, neither
>does FTL travel, and this is what SF does. But if EVERY
>alien species this writer can find in his imagination has either
>profoundly defective females, great threats in child-bearing, or
>both, phrases like "deep-seated authorial neurosis" begin to come to
>mind.

"EVERY" alien species? You weaken your case considerably by
overstating it. Let's run through the Niven sentient species, shall
we?

Slavers and Kzinti: Okay, these have non-sentient females (though
sentient Kzinti females have popped up in some of the man-kzin wars
stories, with Niven's blessing). No reproductive problems like those
you describe. See also "Grogs" below.

Kdatlyano, Tnuctipun, Outsiders, Bandersnatchi, Martians: Insufficient
data. We don't even know that they have two sexes.

Grogs: Distant descendants of slavers (by hypothesis); sentient
*females*, non-sentient *males*. Hello? Hello? No reproductive
problems.

Puppeteers: What Nessus refers to as "females" aren't really in the
same species; they're actually host-bodies. Puppeteers don't have a
male-female dichotomy the way humans do. Childbirth isn't fraught with
"catastrophic threats and dangers"; there is, however, no way of
having sex without producing a pregnancy, so overpopulation is a
problem.

Dolphins, Pak: Male-female equality (though dolphins have a harem-like
family structure). No reproductive problems. "Pak" includes all
Pak-related species, incl. Earth primates and most Ringworld
inhabitants.

Moties: Sexuality all over the freaking *map*, but certainly not
"non-sentient females" as you describe. Reproduction itself isn't
fraught with dangers; however, the lack of reproduction *is*, so
overpopulation results.

Am I thick? To me, a general trend fails to emerge.
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"I is not now, nor has I ever been, a Human Bein'!"
                ---Pogo Possum
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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Title of "Short-short" story collection?
Date: 6 Jan 93 03:29:02 GMT
Organization: Yale University

In article <ZJmXwB6w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>
ekho@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (amanda rothman) writes:
 
>
>pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek) writes:
>
>> I once saw a book edited by Asimov and someone else, titled something
>> like "100 Great Science Fiction Short-Short Stories".  In order to find
>> this book, it would help to know a) both the editors, and b) the exact
>> wording of the title.  If you know this book, please reply.  Also, does
>> anyone know if it is still in print?
>
>  The book you are speaking of is titled "Microcosmic Tales", edited by
>Isaac Asimov, Martin H. Greenberg, and Joseph D. Olander.  And it says
>"100 _Wondrous_ Science Fiction Short-Short Stories".  ;)  A perfect
>reason to buy it, as stories this short (1-5 pgs) are quite often well
>worth it, especially the ones I've found by Issac Asimov.  Enjoy!
>
 
   Since I don't have the other book with me, I can't say for sure, but
I think _100 Great SF Short-Short Stories_ and _Microcosmic Tales_ are
two different books.
 
    Junsok Yang
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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: KSRobinson _Red Mars_...  When?
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 23:58:01 EST

In article <1if4fnINN48c@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
ca572@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark L. Stackpole) writes:
 
>
>
>	I don't work for TOR, but according to _Publisher's Weekly_
> the release date is Jan. 15.
 
   Maybe, but I saw the trade paperback of it in the bookstore today
(Jan.6)
 
   Junsok Yang
From: mgrossman@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Who killed SF???
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:34:26 EDT
Organization: Hampshire College
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In article <1993Jan7.191415.9908@news.uiowa.edu>, williams@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Kent Williams) writes:
> I go to book stores.  I go to the library, and only rarely do I find anything
> worth buying and reading.  What is all this crap that clogs the shelves???
> 
> Here is my list of suspects:
> 
> All those nitwits who write endless fantasy series.

	Verily, by their initials shall ye know them...TSR...TSR...TSR
> 
> Star Trek Crap.  Enough already!  They've made a frigging
> cult from a second rate space opera on TV.

	Sad thing is that as tv sf goes, star trek is pretty good.
> 
> Fantasy Body Snatchers.  Roger Zelazny and U K Leguin used
> to write great books before they got into the fantasy dodge.  Wake up!

	Actually, I liked Leguins fantasy better than her sf.
> 
> Assembly line writers.  Especially the journeymen who they
> hire to produce more product in the style and universe of
> a famous author.
>
	Yeah, and while we're at it, who, or _what_, is Gentry Lee?
 
> Publishers who pay the big bucks for this crap.  How do they sleep at night?
	They never sleep.  They don't need to.
> 
> L. Ron Hubbard.  Excuse me, Mr. Fat Boy Cult leader, but who asked you to
> write Science Fiction again?  And isn't he DEAD??? WHY DO THEY KEEP PRINTING
> BOOKS???
>
	Umm...gee...because they're a fanatical cult plotting to take over the
world, and they need lots of money?
 
> All of the Unicorn and fake medievalist readers who have an insatiable appetite
> for the STOOPIDIST POSSIBLE Trash.
> 
	"Oh wow, it's got _elves_ in it!"
	"Yeah, and _dragons_!"
	"Wow, we're just brainwashed slaves with no imagination, so we're just
gonna have to by this book!"
	"Yeah, I can't wait for the sequel, I bet it will be even more vacuous
than the first book!"


> It is sad.  I can actually remember being able to WAIT IN ANTICIPATION FOR THE
> NEXT Philip K Dick to come out.  Can any claim now to be waiting for anything
> that momentous?

	You mean you're not waiting for the next Dragonlance(tm) book?  You
just have no imagination. ;)
	Actually, I think it likely that the real problem is that sf has
become so successful that even a bad book will be bought by a sufficient number
of people to make it worthwhile.

> --
> Kent Williams -- williams@cs.uiowa.edu Work(335-4496) Home(338-6053)
> "You, Varlet! Why so blithe?" -- from "Shreck" by William Steig
> 
>
From: higgins@fnala.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Hugo Nominations (my suggestions)
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:22:48 -0600
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
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In article <1993Jan12.153203.22369@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:
> Since the Hugo nominations are due in a couple of months, I thought I'd
> post what I think are good choices.  If other people have works they
> want to recommend, it might help people who haven't been keeping
> lists all year.
> 
> Novels (>40000 words):

Thanks, Evelyn, I'll try to chase down some of your recommendations. 
For Best Novel,  I heartily recommend Vernor Vinge's *A Fire on the
Deep*, which is an awfully good example of an SF novel.

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From: djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Subject: Parkinson's Revenge (was: Who killed SF???)
Reply-To: djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:39:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.224408.12920@news.uiowa.edu> williams@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Kent Williams) writes:

>I read Tolkein when I was a kid, but I'm not sure I could sit through it
>again. I read Mallory's Mort D'Arthur in college.  I'd guess the only book
>called fantasy I would willingly read again would be "The Dreamquest of
>Unknown Kadath" by H.P. Lovecraft.

H'mm.  Okay, you don't like fantasy.  (If you liked "Kadath" that much,
btw, you might try some of the short fiction of Lord Dunsany -- "Kadath"
was very much based on that.)


>I just don't see what sword fights and wizards has to do with anything.  

Fair enough.  But what do:

>Dan Simmons, John Shirley, Bruce Sterling, Sherri Tepper, Wm. Gibbons,
>Terry Bisson, GE Effinger, etc; 

have do do with anything *either*?  In all honesty, what they write -- "SF" -- 
is essentially fantastic fiction as much as "fantasy"; the only real difference 
is that SF uses science, or more often scientific-sounding doubledoubletalktalk,
to give the illusion of plausibility to magic.

(Magic?  Well, what do *you* call ftl travel, controllable time travel, tractor 
beams, force fields, "genetic memory," massive AI programs without bugs, etc., 
all of which -- despite the wishful thinking of many scientists -- are as 
thoroughly excluded from the current paradigm as dragons and magic wands?)


>the problem I see is that when it comes
>to shelf space and publisher attention and library acquisitions, the stupid
>fantasy stuff drives out the good SF.

Yes.  And the stupid SF drives out the good fantasy.  And the stupid SF drives
out the good SF, and the stupid fantasy drives out the good fantasy.  And the
stupid best-selling novels drive out the good _everything_.  (This is quite 
literally true; the shift in the publishing paradigm to the gotta-have-a-best-
seller mentality has shortened publisher's lists, made it harder for a quality 
writer to hang in until s/he finds hir market, etc.)

It's Parkinson's law, doubled, redoubled, in no-trump and vulnerable, and there 
is only one thing you can do about it:

	Buy the good stuff.  Don't buy the bad stuff.

In other words, vote with your bucks.  Unfortunately, so many people have 
already voted with their bucks for Terry Brooks, Piers Anthony, Jack Chalker,
and the endless Dungeons-&-Dragons sturm-und-dreck that it will take a mass
movement to get quality fiction back on the publishing map.

>sigh<


			I'm your only friend.  I'm not your only friend,
			but I'm your little glowing friend, but actually
			I'm not your friend.  But I am
				--TMBG

Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, Net.Roach
My opinions do NOT represent Pacific Bell,
Professional Development, or anyone else.
But I'm willing to share.
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From: mike@maths.tcd.ie (Mike Rogers)
Subject: Re: The Illuminatus trilogy
Organization: none
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:02:28 GMT

In article <C0K85F.3yt@world.std.com>, pduggan@world.std.com (Paul C Duggan) wrote:
>If it did we'd all be in trouble. FP gets a much better handle on
>fnord the problems and concerns and crisis of a whole lot of the modern
>psyche.

O YEAH?!?!?!?!?!?!? Well then, WHERE was the LIST of ROCK BANDS?!?!?!?!?!?!?

I'll tell you. Nowhere. And there were no dolphins, period. Not to mention
the total lack of sexual intercourse with common garden plants. I mean, really.
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From: robichau@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Paul Robichaux)
Subject: Re: Who killed SF???
Reply-To: robichau@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: New Technology, Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:18:36 GMT

In <76253@apple.apple.COM> chuq@Apple.COM (Crow's Friend Timmy) writes:

>>However, in most of the mass-market book chains (Walden, B. Dalton,
>>Bookstar, etc.) TSR books, along with the Star Trek series and a few
>>other well-known offenders, get shelf space in proportion to their
>>sales.

>Of course, that's because the TSR books sell. 

>Gosh. Stores selling stuff that sells? What a horrible concept.

A+ for sarcasm, but a C- for rhetoric.

Your earlier argument was that "publishers publish what sells." This
is quite true (as you, a Published Author, undoubtedly know better than I.)

My argument is that books which *would* sell if on the shelf for sale lose
shelf space to books of archetypes which _have_ sold.

I believe in the Holy Free Market (it would be profoundly UnAmurican
to do otherwise)- but I lament the fact that market forces limit the
availability of _good_ writing to "speciality" outlets.

-Paul
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From: jgraham@axion.bt.co.uk (John Graham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: George RR Martin
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:42:02 GMT
Reply-To: jgraham@axion.bt.co.uk (John Graham)
Organization: British Telecom Research Labs


In the early eighties George RR Martin was easily
my favourite author, especially of short stories.
Being an sf fan rather than a fantasy or horror fan
I was dissapointed to see his fiction moving away
from sf. But then many of his stories had horror
themes such as Sandkings and Nightfliers so I was
not too surprised. I also enjoyed his novels
including Fevre Dream.

The Haviland Tuf stories, although straight sf,
seemed a bit too tongue in cheek but I still
enjoyed them.

The reason for this posting is a question about
the Wild Card series. When they first came out,
being British and not brought up on American style
comics, I found that they smacked too much of
Americana and I could not bring myself to read more 
than a few stories.

George Martin will be GOH at the British Eastercon in 
Jersey and I would like to know

- Can anyone describe the extent of his contribution
  to Wild Cards (yes I know he is, or was, editor) and
  what people think of his stories in the series

- What other fiction he has written since the mid-eighties

Thanks in advance

John Graham
From: kieron@root.co.uk (Kieron Drake)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Dilvish: Zelazny's other Fantasy
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:01:37 GMT
Organization: UniSoft Ltd., London, England

I always had a liking for the Dilvish stories. I particularly liked the
gradual change in style from the earliest to the last as well as the
way things were left unstated (what is Black's real nature?) or casual
references to other stories introduced (e.g. Black's reference to the
garden of blood when describing his use of an alternate humanoid form
when frozen by Jelerak -- my God, it's years since I read this lot and
I can still remember some of it!!!). Definitely a Moorcock feel to it
but, as has been said, wittier and more relaxed.

Now that I've fulfilled some of the criteria for the paradigmatic
usenet article ("Yeah, I think XXX is great too! Can you remember where
YYYY did ZZZZ to AAAA? I think it was in Book XIX but I've left my
brain at home so I'm not sure but maybe it was in ....... babble....")
how about some real questions? Did anyone notice the dedication to
William Hope Hodgson (among others) and the fact that one of the
characters had that name as well? What did he steal from Hodgson?
Where did the Hounds of Thundalos come from? Has anyone else slogged
*all* of the way through "House on the Borderland"?

All in all, much better than Amber, IMHO.

	kieron


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