HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jjh00@outs.ccc.amdahl.com (Joel J. Hanes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Patrick O'Brian vs Horatio Hornblower...
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:13:14 GMT
Reply-To: jjh00@OUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Joel J. Hanes)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


  nall@sun8.scri.fsu.edu (John Nall) writes:
>
>  BTW, this thread awoke in me a great longing to read some more good sea
>  stories.  Anyone got any suggestions?  While hovering around the Public
>  Library shelves, trying forlornly to tell books by their covers, I thought
>  how neat it would be if there were a database available into which I could
>  put a subject ("sea stories") and it would spit out a list of good ones :-(

Real ones:
   _The_Mutiny_on_the_HMS_Bounty_,   Bligh
   _Two_Years_Before_The_Mast,       Dana
   _Sailing_Alone_Around_The_World_, Slocum

---
Joel Hanes
From: barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: rabfest
Summary: invitation
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:39:19 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute

Have y'all in California had your rabfest yet?  How was it?

Meg Worley suggested that we have one in Atlanta.  Terrance is coming from 
Athens (about two hours north of here).

We'd like to meet on October 3rd at the cafe in Oxford Books on Pharr Road.
Probably around noon.

Can anyone else be there?

Directions: From I-85, exit at Piedmont.  Go north/west on Piedmont (our roads
curve a lot) to Pharr Road, just before Hennessy Cadillac.  Turn left on Pharr
Road.  Oxford Books is on the right in a roundish building.  The acoustic cafe
is upstairs.  (Note: if you get lost, ask for the Oxford Books on Pharr Road
because there are several other stores.)  

My phone number (at work) is 835-5388.  Feel free to call.

Barclay
-- 
Barclay Elizabeth Blanchard    barclay@rail9000@gatech.edu
"I've been laughed at by some of the funniest people."
--Lissie, Alice Walker's _The Temple of My Familiar_
From: spb0457@zeus.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: The Clockwork Test of Merit -or- Burning Burgess at both ends
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:29:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Interestingly enough, I've gotten about a dozen replies to my question as
to whether I sould read _You've Had Your Time_ (owning a copy) before
_Little Wilson And Big God_ (still looking for a copy).  Although I haven't
done an actual count, there's a pretty even split in the opinings of 
respondants.

Also, I've been told that the first volume was interesting while the second
was slow, that the first volume was fluff but the second was riviting u.s.w.

So, it a typical fit of SubG wishywashyness (which I could have avioded by
buying a used copy of _Little Wilson and so on_ for $8.00, but I seldom
pay that much for a single book) I've decided to shove the autobiography 
towards the rear of my To Read pile, behind an unabridged _Life of Johnson_
I just got (single volume, making the book roughly cubic, $4.95), a copy
of Somerset Maugham's _Cakes and Ale_ that was mysteriously on the $1.98
table at the local university bookstore, John Kennedy O'Toole's _A Confederacy
of Dunces_, Norman Mailer's _Ancient Evenings_ and assorted other stuff.
If I burn through that handful of reading material before a copy of
_Little Wilson and Big God_ finds its way into my greedy little rookers,
I'll read the one I've got.

I'll let y'all know how it comes out.





Yours etc.,





SubGenius
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The Literary Canon
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:26:29 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad):
>Ah, The Great Books of the Western World series, published by the 
>publishers of Encyclopaedia Britannica...
>First of all, they are called the Great Books of the Western World...

Don't forget simple marketing considerations.  The object of the exercise
is to get people to pay hundreds of dollars for a set of books, some of
which they already have in other formats (if they don't, they are highly
unlikely to read these -- though I'm sure Britannica makes a good deal
of money from people looking for attractive shelf filling), and the rest
of which can be bought used at a tenth the price.  Britannica is not
selling an education or a reference library, here.  It is selling
attractive covers, high-toned book-case fodder, and self-congratulation.

The first thing you notice when you look at the books is that there are 
*no* unfamiliar authors:  If everyone in the target market hasn't heard 
of the author, the book doesn't make the list.  Everybody in the target 
market, that is.  The second is, of course, that public-domain works
predominate.  

Third, the books are in many ways unsatisfactory.  Depending on page
count and other factors, they are often high-profile selections of
authors' works, rather than complete collections.  And they do not tend
to run to good introductions and footnotes.

Although the target audience is much different, the selection decisions
for this set have all the normative implications of a television
station's programming decisions.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   The inability of snakes to count is actually a refusal, on their part,
    to appreciate the Cardinal Number system. -- "Actual Facts"
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From: rauchway@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Andrew Rauchway)
Subject: Re: Wordstruck
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 22:35:41 GMT

Mike Morris sez that Robert MacNeil sez:

>   I like that idea and do not think it just coincidence. Consider
>   that the same cultural soil, the Celtic-Roman-Saxon-Danish-Norman
>   amalgam, which produced the English language also nourished the
>   great principles of freedom and rights of man in the modern world.
>   The first shoots sprang up in England and they greww stronger in
>   America. Churchill called them ``the joint inheritance of the
>   English-speaking world''. At the very core of those principles
>   are popular consent and resistance to arbitrary authority; both
>   are fundamental characteristics of our language. The English-speaking
>   peoples have defeated all efforts to build fences around their 
>   language, to defer to an academy on what was permissible English
>   and what was not. They'll decide for themselves, thanks just the same.
>   [p. 219]
And then goes on himself to say
>
>You see? Each and every Bushism of the Week a blow for Liberty!
>
At the risk of taking a facetious comment too seriously, I must protest.
Mr. Morris is missing the point.  The MacNeils and Churchills and Twains
who extolled the versatility of the English language should and, in the
case of Mr. MacNeil, I'm sure *do* abhor Bushisms.  The point is not that the 
English Language is to be celebrated because someone like Bush utters 
vacuous nonsense every time he opens his trap, but because (for example)
some creative person way back when decided that "trap" could stand 
metaphorically for "mouth," or because (as the Brits figured out before us,
much to our shame) there's no real reason to say "gotten" when a mere
"got" will suffice.

As for the President, he has a right to do whatever he damned well pleases
to the English language; if we show the bad taste to re-elect him, then we
have given him a mandate to continue to do that voodoo that he do to English
grammar.

Eric Rauchway                    /      My opinions are mine, and not those
rauchway@leland.stanford.edu     /      of the department or university.

Department of History                  Stanford University

*****Those who do not remember history are doomed to flunk my class.*****






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From: gxs11@po.CWRU.Edu (Gary Stonum)
Subject: Re: Unreliable narrator in "Pale Fire"
Reply-To: gxs11@po.CWRU.Edu (Gary Stonum)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 13:44:26 GMT


In a previous article, egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) says:

>I'm only about 6 months behind in catching up on this, but
>exactly *how* unreliable is the narrator. Is there *anything*
>he says that can be believed? 

For what it's worth, Nabokov's biographer claims that the
narrator doesn't even exist!  According to Brian Boyd,
Kinbote is an invention of John Shade, who is the hidden
author of the whole text.  Shade has done this in order
to project himself imaginatively and artistically into
his own opposite and beyond his actual living self.
-- 
      ||    Gary Lee Stonum                gxs11@po.cwru.edu    ||
      ||    English Department                  216-368-3342    ||
      ||    Case Western Reserve University                     ||
      ||    Cleveland, OH 44106-7117                            ||
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From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.humor,alt.folklore.urban,rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:58:56 GMT
Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco

In article <1992Aug29.224438.6644@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> qsnow@lonestar.utsa.edu (Quentin . Snow) writes:
>In article <1992Aug29.173357.15216@husc3.harvard.edu> rocher@husc8.harvard.edu (Jean-Marc Rocher) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug27.145103.14601@ncmicro.lonestar.org> ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org (Lance Franklin) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug25.194259.853@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay) writes:
>>>}In article <1992Aug25.153404.2055@ccs.QueensU.CA> 3005904@jeff-lab.queensu.ca (Colleen Davis (Dexter)) writes:
>>>} >>>>>>>IF THIS DOESN'T STOP, IM GOING TO START THE WORST CASCADE EVER.
>>>} >>>>>>WHILE EATING THIS SLOP, I SEWED THE FIRST BROCADE BEAVER.
>>>} >>>>>BILE FITTING RIG STOP, LIE SPEWED THIRST LIVER !!!!
>>>} >>>>IF YOU MUST CONTRIBUTE, AT LEAST DELIVER...
>>>} >>>WHO MAY I ATTRIBUTE TO THIS BEASTLY SLIVER?
>>>} >>TO SPAY A LUTE IN A GREASY RIVER
>>>} >DAMN CASCADERS THINK YOU'RE SO CLEVER
>>>} I WILL NOT CASCADE; NOPE, NO, NEVER
>>>WOULD YOU, COULD YOU, ON A TRAIN?
>>WOULD YOU, COULD YOU, IN THE RAIN?
>PLEASE STOP TAKING MY CAIN
GADZOOKS, I'M IN PAIN!

-- 
_/_/_/       Brian Kendig  Macintosh Jedi           Live never to be ashamed
 _/_/   Starfleet Captain  Oracle Employee         if anything you do or say
  _/  Intrepid Adventurer  Saturn SL2 Owner    is published around the world
      bskendig@netcom.com  Twin Peaks Junkie    -- even if what is published
    Princeton '92! BSE/CS  Writer/Actor/Singer                   is not true.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull)
Subject: Re: Why I read the Economist
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:13:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.190636.22132@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:

> Nowadays, one sees very good stylists in NEWSWEEK, from Peter
>Goldman to Jonathan Alter to Eleanor Clift.

Also--it must be told, Michael--a very close friend of Mr. Godwin's
(and mine) writes for NEWSWEEK. 


> The regular columnists--George
>Will, Meg Greenfield, Jane Bryant Quinn, Robert Samuelson--are all far
>more memorable and have more to say than old fuddy-duddies like TIME's
>Hugh Sidey and bland folks like Charles Krauthammer. The only weak point
>on NEWSWEEK's writing time is Jerry Adler, whose features are reliably
>shallow, sensationalistic, petty, and self-important. (He wrote the racist
>piece on the threat of rap music, for example, and his piece on the
>Allen/Farrow/Previn gossip was particularly silly.)


Absolutely agree about all of the above, and triple-agree about Jerry
Adler.

But I'll tell you the truth, I still wouldn't read it if it weren't for our
friend  slaving manfully away in the Business section. NEWSWEEK is so
much better than TIME; but it is still too brightly-colored in every
sense of the word to make me comfortable with it.

Kate


-- 
- - - - - - - -
kate@cactus.org
Be the voice of night and Florida in my ear.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Why I read the Economist
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 19:06:36 GMT

In article <14706@mindlink.bc.ca> Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian) writes:

>Perhaps the saddest American example is
>the recent self-lobotomization of Time Magazine--which in its early days had a
>brittle, witty style that lent itself to mockery but certainly didn't insult
>its readers' intelligence.

I don't know that TIME's decline has been that recent, Crawford. My own 
opinion is that the quality of writing and reporting in NEWSWEEK surpassed
that of TIME in the early '70s (NEWSWEEK's Watergate reporting was
superior, of course, since it had the advantage of being a Washington Post
company). Nowadays, one sees very good stylists in NEWSWEEK, from Peter
Goldman to Jonathan Alter to Eleanor Clift. The regular columnists--George
Will, Meg Greenfield, Jane Bryant Quinn, Robert Samuelson--are all far
more memorable and have more to say than old fuddy-duddies like TIME's
Hugh Sidey and bland folks like Charles Krauthammer. The only weak point
on NEWSWEEK's writing time is Jerry Adler, whose features are reliably
shallow, sensationalistic, petty, and self-important. (He wrote the racist
piece on the threat of rap music, for example, and his piece on the
Allen/Farrow/Previn gossip was particularly silly.)


--Mike



-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact 
mnemonic@eff.org| of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, 
(617) 864-0665  | both are transformed."
EFF, Cambridge  |                           --Carl Jung 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: calvo@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Sherri Calvo)
Subject: Re: Sherlock Holmes Quote
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:03:00 GMT

In article <2060@deadmin.ucsd.edu>, napier@cs.ucsd.edu (Jim Napier) writes...
> 
>I looking for a Sherlock Holmes quote which I can't remember fully. To
>paraphrase it Holmes stated that "when all the facts have been
>properly taken into account, the resulting conclusion, no matter how
>bizarre, must be the truth". Can anyone give me the correct exact quote?
>Thanks.
> 
> 
>-- 
>Jim Napier
>Systems Administration
>Applied Mechanics & Engineering Sciences Dept.
>UC San Diego
>(619)534-5414
>jnapier@ucsd.edu
>Jim Napier
>Systems Administration
>Applied Mechanics & Engineering Sciences Dept.
>UC San Diego

Sorry, I can't provide the specific reference you seek (my Holmes 
books are at home) but I remember the quote. I think it was used in 
Star Trek, too (Spock, of course, whom some say was descended from 
Holmes on his mother's side :)  )  

The quote is not original to Sir Arthur, and is known as "Occam's 
Razor".

Sherri

Sherri Chasin Calvo
calvo@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad)
Subject: Re: The Literary Canon
Reply-To: sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad)
Organization: European Computer-Industry Research Centre, Munich
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:18:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.223511.13155@cactus.org> kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull) writes:
>Mike Morris writes of the "Shakespeare's Sister" argument:
>
>>
>>My complaint is that I think this over-romanticizes being a
>>writer, as though one were completely born to such a talent. I think
>>one can see the absurdity if one imagines instead that she commits
>>suicide really because she was born with a genius for sitar playing and
>>she has been frustrated by having no outlet for this talent.
>
>Mike Morris' arguments are always so thoughtful and reasoned that I
>hate to disagree with him here, but I don't think this comparison
>holds at all. One is not "born with a genius for sitar playing" anymore
>than one is "born with a genius for writing in Hindu."  But one
>might be born with a genius for composing music, and if a person of
>whatever culture with such a "genius" were consistently denied access
>to the tools of developing and using that talent, they would live, I
>think, in great misery indeed.
>
One can conceivably be "born with a genius for sitar playing" but it's
really hard to conceive of one being "born with a genius for writing in 
Hindu."  For the simple reason that there is no such language.  (Substitute
guitar for sitar and Christian for Hindu, and you'll get what I'm nitpicking
about).   I can't agree with Kate Catmull otherwise either.  People are
born with genius more particular than "genius for composing music".  For example,
ability to create complex polyphonic harmonies (not every musical genius can
manage them in their heads, whereas several ordinary musicians can and do) or
with an ability to formulate one's thought in verse, with intricate rhyme and
meter.  And it might be the case that the society at that time does not consider 
these forms of expression worthy of being called high art.

- Sanjiva

--
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From: mad@spirit.spirit.clearpoint.com (Michael Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:20:37 GMT
	<26533@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM> <1992Sep2.140901.3060@wam.umd.edu>
Organization: Walking Dead Man Bar and Grille

On 2 Sep 92 14:09:01 GMT, ara@wam.umd.edu (Ford Prefect) said:

>>+> >>} >>>>>>>IF THIS DOESN'T STOP, IM GOING TO START THE WORST CASCADE EVER.
>>+> >>} >>>>>>WHILE EATING THIS SLOP, I SEWED THE FIRST BROCADE BEAVER.
>>+> >>} >>>>>BILE FITTING RIG STOP, LIE SPEWED THIRST LIVER !!!!
>>+> >>} >>>>IF YOU MUST CONTRIBUTE, AT LEAST DELIVER...
>>+> >>} >>>WHO MAY I ATTRIBUTE TO THIS BEASTLY SLIVER?
>>+> >>} >>TO SPAY A LUTE IN A GREASY RIVER
>>+> >>} >DAMN CASCADERS THINK YOU'RE SO CLEVER
>>+> >>} I WILL NOT CASCADE; NOPE, NO, NEVER
>>+> >>WOULD YOU, COULD YOU, ON A TRAIN?
>>+> >WOULD YOU, COULD YOU, IN THE RAIN?
>>+> R2-D2 ON THE BRAIN?
>>+OY, THE PAIN!
>>BUT WITHOUT PAIN THERE BE NO GAIN!
> HAS ANY ONE, I SAY HAS ANY ONE SEEN MY BRAIN?
HAD ANY FUN, I SAY HAD ANY FUN WHEN IN SPAIN?




--
-mad

Michael A. Davis		mad@spirit.clearpoint.com

Clearpoint Research Corp. / 135 Parkwood Drive / Hopkinton, MA 01738
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: nmlrc@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca
Subject: RE: What's Bill Bryson do?
Organization: University of Winnipeg
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:43:35 GMT

Duncan
I have not read Bill Bryson's travel books, but I was jubilant went I
saw (change the above "went" to when please) your name amoung the end
less letters by strangers.  I am hoping that this will not be posted
to all asunder.  If it is I apologize in advance.
This is Miriam at University of Winnipeg (UOWPG ?)  I was unable to
figure out the send in e-mail, and so gave up in frustration.  Please
forgive typo's.  I have yet to figure out the edit function.
Reply please my nodename is NMLRC.  Would like to know what you think of
this particular newsgroup as well as Bill Bryson.  My father is a
fanatical travel book reader, and I have never heard of him.
Miriam Unruh
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The Literary Canon
Keywords: race canon
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:29:56 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <11986@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>IS!  The only circumstance where I have a functional definition of
>a person's race is for the purposes of identification.  "Can you
>describe the person driving the other car?"  "Yes, officer, white,
>dark hair, dark complexion, heavy." 
                             ^^^^^

Ah-ha!  So now you're saying all Turkish people are fat, eh?   
Goodness, this thread is fun.





-- 
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu

Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things.
            -- J. Danforth Quayle  
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Why I read the Economist
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:41:48 GMT

In article <9209011543.AA12348@cfdev1.shearson.com> mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto) writes:

>To think that I've been accused of being pompous, when the very definition
>of the word is living out in Palo Alto.

I disagree. "The very definition of the word" lives here in r.a.b.
True, Francis Muir lives in Palo Alto (or thereabouts), but I'd be
cautious about assuming that the Palo Alto Francis Muir is 
identical to "Fido," "Philomath," "Francis Muir," and other personae
who visit rec.arts.books.


--Mike



-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact 
mnemonic@eff.org| of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, 
(617) 864-0665  | both are transformed."
EFF, Cambridge  |                           --Carl Jung 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Query: describing the condition of second hand books
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:41:56 GMT

F. Jacot Guillarmod writes:

	I have inherited large numbers of what appear to be valuable natural
	history books, and am putting together a list describing them.
	Obviously the potential price of the book depends on the condition, 
	and I'm looking for some guidelines on this - something a bit more
	meaningful than "buggered" or "looks OK to me".  I'm aware that there
	are terms such as "foxing", but am not too clear on what this
	translates to in the flesh, as it were.

	Any other tips on what sort of information should be included in a
	list?  Other than the usual title, author, publisher, date?

It seems to me that most of us would find "buggered" more useful than "foxed".
Fox is a bookseller-to-bookseller term that will have meaning only to the
more recondite of our readers.

By the way, do you have anything by Fabre' in reasonable condition? I've
always meant to read him again. At Stonyhurst Fabre' was on the short list
of OK authors to read during the annual Retreat. 

							Fido
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From: emma@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Emma Pease)
Subject: Re: Why I read the Economist
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:14:29 GMT

In <10518@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> nall@sun8.scri.fsu.edu (John Nall) writes:


>Not sure how the Economist continues to thrive.  Probably it is only a matter
>of time :-(

Well, they did just add a sports section and the cultural section is
fairly new.  

another Economist reader,

Emma
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The Literary Canon
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:48:11 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <yzdnb!r.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>I don't understand why this discussion took the unlikely turn that it did.
>The precise skin hue of the ancient Greeks doesn't seem germane to the
>earlier debate, which concerns continuity of culture, rather than
>continuity of melanin content.

I agree. I've been waiting for this tangent to die down a bit.
Unfortunately, I've not been able to think of a way to derail it, or
get it back on track.

>The "dead white males" argument, at least, is that there are portions of
>our society which are 'disenfranchised' by a literary canon that doesn't
>deal with their heritages and/or concerns.  The Greek classics are part
>of that canon *whatever* the skin tones of the people who wrote them.
>

Agreed.  It is not the ethnicity of the Greeks that concerns me, but
rather how their writings relate to, and are being used by, the canon.




-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu