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From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Not all 911 ops are DIM BULBS
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:02:06 GMT
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <9207300814.AA05586@ucsd.edu> wright@morekypr.BITNET writes:
>
>I beg to differ with you on your statement of "Even if you explain to the
>dim bulb answering the phone that......."
>
>I have been a 911 dispatcher starting in 1982 . I know some of my fellow
>dispatchers seem to be not all there but we have standing orders to go by
><WHICH I DON"T AGREE WITH ALL THE TIME>.  If a dispatcher is PROPERLY trained
>no matter what shows up on the E-911 call screen, that dispatcher should
>ALL WAYS ASK WHAT IS THE LOCATION OF THE INCENDENT.  Who knows, You could be
>calling on a TIN CAN and a STRING.......Here in Kentucky every Dispatcher
>is mandated BY LAW to attend a 40 hour Basic Dispatch Course and then he/she
>must aquire within 2 years a mandated 8 hour refresher <INSERVICE> and must

I know that dispatchers are trained, and some of them are hams who 
understand autopatch, but that doesn't mean there aren't dim bulbs
out there answering the 911 calls. We see examples here on the net 
of college graduates, people with at least 16 *years* of training, 
who can't compose a coherent sentence or spell. A 40 hour course 
won't make up for that. Many dispatchers just follow the book and
push the button. We've had fire trucks show up on the mountain in
response to autopatches. We've had police show up. And that's after
the dispatcher was clearly and repeatedly told that the call was
a mobile radio call and the correct location given.

>BTW:  WE train right beside the Police Officers we work with. We do are best
>to do our job right but the Officers don't understand our Job anymore than
>they do theirs......8-)

See, you're capable of generalizations too. :-)

Gary KE4ZV
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: tonyp@convex.com (honey bunny)
Subject: I would like to get in touch with...
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:26:01 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

(Using the ARRL format)

Anyone that has an AEA DSP-2232.

--
Tony J. Podrasky |  What's this thing?
 San Diego , Ca   |  It's called a MODEM.
tonyp@convex.com |  And what's this button for? 
 NNNN NNNN ZCZC   |  Whatever you do, don't touc{{{7bh6xx!{@%%hxbd&$#)$% NO CARRIER
From: ron@pilot.njin.net (Ron Natalie)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Deed restriction bans all ham antennas
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:43:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I would suspect that a covenant that bans ham radio on the RFI
issue (as opposed to the "ugly antenna" issue) is unenforceable.
It certainly is undetectable.  Court cases have decided that Ham
Radio is not a nuisance per se.

My covenent allows TV (including fringe reception) antennas but
bans CB, Amateur Radio, and Satellite dishes mounted on the house.
We use wire antennas hidden in the trees (as a matter of fact, it's
very hard to point out the antennas to people who you are trying
to show them to).  We're also about to put up an R7, but we went for
approval of the Architectural Review Board.  It helps to have hams
on the board (we do).

-Ron
From: koning@koning.enet.dec.com (Paul Koning)
Subject: Re: GPS Systems
Reply-To: koning@koning.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Co., distributed systems architecture
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:30:34 GMT


In article <34367.steve@192.9.1.30>, steve@carlyle.UUCP (Steve Salmon) writes:
|>...
|>Two things.  One, a difference in quality.  "The Garmin GPS50 isn't as
|>ruggedly constructed as the Magellan Nav 5000 and is a bit more difficult
|>to use" (Practical Sailor, June 1, 1992).  Second, the Magellan provides
|>for multiple "map datums" (I know, the plural of datum is data, but that's
|>what they call it).  If you're using it for navigation, and you're using a
|>single map datum that's different from the chart you're using, you can 
|>end up a mile or more off course--and on the rocks.

Are there really any "datums" [sic] that are that far off?  For example, 
the North American datum of '27 (I think that's right) is only about 30 meters
away from its successor.  I didn't expect there to be cases where the
difference is enough to move you from a prudent distance away from rocks
onto those rocks.  Could you give an example?

	paul, ni1d

|>...
|>73, Steve, AA6LF
|>----------------------------------------------------------------------
|>Stephen R. Salmon                   E-mail: steve@carlyle.com
|>Carlyle Systems, Inc.               Phone:  415-345-2500
|>2000 Alameda de las Pulgas          Fax:    415-349-3874
|>San Mateo, CA 94403                 Call sign:  AA6LF
From: jmccombi@testament.bbn.com (Jon McCombie)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 2m qtr-wave ground-plane on 440?
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:58:54 GMT
Reply-To: jmccombi@bbn.com. (Jon McCombie)
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

I have been tinkering with homebrew 146/440 MHz vertical base-station
antennas.  (See also my earlier post, subject "2m/440 homebrew antenna
summary.")

For curiosity's sake, I tried running a 2m 1/4-wave ground-plane on 440.
To my surprise, SWR measured in at under 1.3:1 across the band.
(Equipment: dual-band HT running 5W out on both bands; Daiwa Pwr/SWR
meter for 140-450 MHz).  These measurements appear to be independent of
feedline length (longest feed line was approx. 20 ft. of RG-8, shortest
was 2 ft. of RG-213; also tried 3, 5, and 10 ft. of RG-58).

I'm confused.  Why does the 2m 1/4-wave groundplane work on 440?  As a
3/4-wavelength groundplane (146*3=438 MHz)?  Could I make my groundplane
any odd multiple of 1/4-wavelengths and have it work OK?  Perhaps someone
with antenna-modelling software can help shed some light on this... what
sort of radiation pattern does one get from this sort of antenna?

Thanks in advance and 73 de
Jon   N1ILZ
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: bryanw@IASTATE.EDU (Bryan J Welch)
Subject: DJ-580 antenna & mods
Keywords: antenna mods DJ-580
Reply-To: bryanw@IASTATE.EDU (Bryan J Welch)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 16:48:42 GMT

I recently (yesterday) got a Alinco DJ-580 some of my friends told me that I
would be better off with a different antenna on it.  Any opinions or comments?

Also, if anyone had any mods to extend the range of the DJ-580, I would 
really appreciate it if you could e-mail me a copy, or where to get them.

Thanks for the help!

-Bryan Welch
bryanw@iastate.edu

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: Jeff Benedict <raoul@halcyon.com>
Subject: Re: Ham Radio in Europe
Originator: bbs@halcyon.com
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:06:38 GMT

tlanders@atlastele.com (Troy Landers) writes:

> 
> Hi.  I am new to ham radio.  I am currently studying for the non-code tech
> license.  I will be purchasing a 2m handheld as soon as I get my license.
> I have a question that none of my study books seem to answer...
Welcome to the hobby.  You'll have fun!
> 
> My job occasionally takes me travelling internationally, particularly to
> Europe.  In addition, there is a possibility that I may move to Europe for
> an extended stay (~3 years).  My destination country will probably be
> Germany, Switzerland, or Belgium.  Does anyone know if it will be possible
> for me to transmit with my 2m radio?  Will I need to get a license in the
> country that I end up in?  Do they even use 2m in Europe?  Also, do radios

You will be able to operate on two meters in Europe.  Their band plans 
are a little different and the radios are a little different- many 
repeaters need some kind of tone for access.  If you look in the 
operating manuals for gear, there usually is a different version of a 
radio for use in Europe.  You should request some info. from the 
manufacturers about the differences in the radio version and the 
possibility of getting a foreign spec. radio which will also work here. 
(A problem could be that the FCC would not have approved the rig for use 
here)
In the countries you mentioned, you should be able to get reciprocal 
licensing.  It should be a matter of filling in some forms and waiting.  
Write the ARRL for details- their address should be in one of your study 
books.

Take care-

73
Jef Benedict KB7AIL
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: uri@watson.ibm.com (Uri Blumenthal)
Subject: Re: Is it "business" if I use and autopatch to...
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:57:11 GMT
Reply-To: uri@watson.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM  T. J. Watson Research Center

In article <1992Jul24.164217.14130@mlb.semi.harris.com>, rliles@heimdall.mlb.semi.harris.com (Ray Liles) writes:
|> Why is it everyone tries to ignore rules or find loop holes?

Because some time after the rules are made:

	1) Situation changes;

	2) The equipment, usage of which the rules regulate, 
	   gets changed;
	
|> If you simply checkout Part 97 you will find the following:
|> 
|> 97.115 Music prohibited.
|> The transmission of music by an amateur station is forbidden.
|> 
|> Now, how simple can you get!  

Has the thought ever occured to you, that by the time this
particular ruling was adopted, there were no autopatches,
and no music sound while put on hold?

|> It didn't list any exceptions (autopatch music, etc.).  
|> It doesn't allow *any* room for interpretation.  It doesn't say
|> *broadcast*  it says *transmission* of music.  

The strictest interpretation most often is not the smartest.

Also, could you explain how your "transmission" is not
"broadcasting" [since anybody tuned to your frequency
can (and will :-) receive it]?

Or are you "interpreting" that "broadcasting" must mean
"commercial one-way transmission"? (:-)

|> So, until the rules are changed, let's try to abide by them.

So when the situation changes - let's bring the rules
in sync with it.

Regards,
Uri.
------------
<Disclaimer>
From: CELLIS%BROCKVMA.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 92 Camry Mobile
Date: 28 Jul 1992 06:49:44 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu


>--JOE recently wrote
>  W4BZL

>I AM HAVING TROUBLE GETTING INFO FROM TOYOTA ABOUT INSTALLING
                     5555555555555555555555555
   My local Toyota service manager confirmed what other posters
to this net have said and Toyota re-iterates - DON'T do it.

>146 MHZ AND 440 MHZ RIGS IN A 92 CAMRY.  ALL THEY SAY IS "DON'T
>DO IT".  THE OWNERS MANUAL STATES AT THE FRONT OF THE BOOK TO NOT
>INSTALL TWO-WAY RADIOS AND IT REPEATS THE STATEMENT IN THE SECTION
>ON AIR BAGS.  CERTAINLY, I DON'T WANT TO KEY THE RIG AND HAVE THE
>AIR BAG DEPLOY...:-)
 55555555555555
Don't worry about that.  The Car won't run!!!


>SO, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM ANYONE WHO HAS A RIG IN A 92 TOYOTA CAMRY.
                           55555555555555555555555555555555555555555
few will admit to the mistake after being warned in the manual!!!

>CERTAINLY, WITH PROPER INSTALLATION IT CAN BE DONE IN A WAY THAT
>DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH AUTO COMPUTERS, AIR BAGS, ETC.
                             555555555
  as of a month ago Toyota had no knowm fix.  Rigs over 10 watts
give you the opportunity to replace AT YOUR EXPENSE the $1800
on-board computer.  I bought a Saturn instead.

Carty KA2Y
------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: <tonyp@cnvxla.COM> (good, Conan - good!)
Subject: Re: "Readability, Strength" signal reports
Reply-To: tonyp@convex.COM 
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:09:58 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


Note, some cw ops also optionally add a 'c' at the end to indicate the
presence of 'click'.

As I recall the "C" is for chirp.
	    the "K" is for click.

--
Tony J. Podrasky |  What's this thing?
 San Diego , Ca   |  It's called a MODEM.
tonyp@convex.com |  And what's this button for? 
 NNNN NNNN ZCZC   |  Whatever you do, don't touc{{{7bh6xx!{@%%hxbd&$#)$% NO CARRIER
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CRT radiation into ham rcvrs
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:40:42 GMT
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <5814.2a6f034e@hayes.com> bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman) writes:
>
>Indeed, the whole lot is FCC Class B certified. I doubt you could say
>the same for Suns or ATT workstations.

Class B certification is fairly meaningless. The permitted radiation
levels in Class B are far in excess of the levels that can upset 
communications receivers. The amount of shielding employed and the 
care with which it is installed is much more important than an FCC
label. BTW most of the Mac IIs that I have seen in operation are 
using an aftermarket monitor such as the NEC or Radius.

Bill, you come across as an Apple salesman trying to make the million
dollar club. The little 9 inch toasters are interesting toys, and some
Mac IIs are actually good work platforms, but they aren't God's gift
to computing. You're talking to a ham audience, and that group is
notoriously cheap. Used workstations, PC clones, and old Apple IIe's are
the currency of their stations. Apple's pricing structure means that
hams aren't considering them as their first choice. I can get a color
Sun 386i for $750 on the surplus market, I'm not going to pay three
or more times as much for less computer.

Gary KE4ZV
From: alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Re:Re: Morris is a cat
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:04:51 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, dnewkirk@arrl.org (Dave Newkirk) writes:

>Why only Morris code? What about those who prefer their Morris 
>hot?

Any Morris that, and I'm going QRT.

AL N1AL
From: jay@zen.CAc.stratus.COM (Jay Appell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: New options for radios of tomorrow ?
Date: 31 Jul 1992 13:34:16 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu


I am expecting to take another trip to Alinco later this year. You may recall 
that I went last December. At that time I shared information that was contained
on info-hams / internet.  I am offering to do this again. Your comments have been heard and will continue to do so.

What features would you find useful in a handheld ?

	It has been said that more memory channels, pluggable memory,
	design and general coverage would be nice.

What do you folks in hamland think? It appears that dual mode walkies 
are an embraced item by hams and are here to stay. What options have we
yet to see in a walkie or mobile? Let your mind wander and let me know 
what you come up with. All ideas will be shared with Alinco on my next
trip. Please send your comments to me at: Jay_Appell@cac.stratus.com
or on ONE HOPEDALE CENTER 508-478-6969 BBS running from 7am to 9pm et.

Regards,

Jay (KA1SNA)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: ren@virga.ucar.edu (Ren Tescher)
Subject: Re: Amateur Operators in History
Organization: Research Applications Program/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:34:48 GMT

>kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey) writes in part:
>> 
>> Does anyone else know of similar historical (or biblical) figures?
 
Well, it seems the most important biblical ham has been overlooked,
Hispanic Hams refer to Him as "Yaesu".(Jesu for the lingually impaired)
8^)
ren n0pvi
dona nobis pacem
From: leadfoot@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (Mark Curtis)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Is it "business" if I use and autopatch
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:57:45 GMT

Some people just don't seem to be able to think on their own!

I have and will continue to use our phone patch to help anyone on
the roadside.  I don't care if they call the dealership, AAA,
Joanne's Flower service, or GOD on the damn thing.  They need
help!  I'm not making any money, and most of all it's excellent
PR for ham radio.  If some religous type kills the patch, which
they don't have the codes to anyway.  I'd give them a real
emergency to call 911 for.

Part 97 wasn't written in stone 2000 years ago.  The FCC doesn't
walk on water.  Get a life!  Ham radio is a hobby.  I'm not in
the military, so bag your blind unthinking rule/order following.

Music on hold is never a problem with us, it just times out the
LL side timer(safety net).  We didn't plan on it, we don't take
requests, ads, or play discs.  We are not broadcasting music.
Next they will start complaining about phone answering machine
outgoing messages.  As said above, get a life!

Mark
From: stevew@netcom.com (Steven Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: AARL vs ARRL
Summary: New names...
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:11:15 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul27.160247.22632@ctr.columbia.edu>, johnl@avs.com (John W. Langner) writes:
> Roy explained that he would have joined the ACM if it was named the
> Association for Computing Machinists.  Since it was an association for
> computing machinery, his HP calculator joined the organization.
> 
> So, if you don't like the name American Radio Relay League, don't join.
> Enroll your radio relay instead!
> 
> John WB2OSZ

Following this logic not even an entire radio can join......only the
TR relay! ;-)

Steve KA6S
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: mdc@vixen.uucp (24104-marden)
Subject: Ramblings of an OF.
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 19:40:16 GMT

To : All of those who hate, like, love the ARRL.

As many will tell you it is a very rare occasion for me to "take
pen in hand" and post something to the net. 

I have been following all the "chit-chat" regarding: 1.) Ohio 
protesting, 2.) AMSAT is better than the ARRL, 3.) ARRL is 
better than AMSAT, 4.) HF packet, 5.) non-HF packet, 6.) etc.

I am a member of ARRL but I find it of little value to me. I keep
my membership because I do not know of any other organization
with the "clout" in Washington that the ARRL does. I feel that
if I ask someone to do something for me (use their "clout" for me
in Washington) I should be willing to aid them financially or some
other way. So I say to you "ARRL bashers" until something better
comes along swallow your pride and work within the limitations
of what you have. I do not think I would like to have my company 
represented by the "good old boy" psychology that "the nine old
men of Newington" (anybody remember FDR these days) have but I guess
it would be better than no representation. 

To me QST is a catalog of advertising. Since I am arthritic 
and also a business person and (without any derogation) not an EE.
Trying to wind 4000 turns of number 40 wire on a T-5000 core with
taps every 15 turns is not only impossible but leaves me cold. Why
can't we have more on the fun of Hamming and less on the projects
for the homebrewer. I take my hat off to the people that design 
these things and do it doubly for those that build them and make 
them work. You may say "why don't you write an article or story."
Believe me my wife is still laughing at my latest attempt at that
and it has been five years now.

I disagree with the ARRL on their approach on packet on HF. I
agree 1000% that when they bring up W1AW they should not be
required to check each frequency to see if it is clear. In both
cases I have let my feelings be know. 

This may be the ramblings of a 65 year old advanced amateur who
enjoys packet, AMTOR, RTTY; loves to rag chew and *ESPECIALLY*
loves CW, *BUT* for the life of me can not understand Newingtons
hang up on 13, and 20 words of CW per minute to be able to 
upgrade. I guess it is the "I know it is modern times with
computers, TNCs, ROBOTS, etc. but I suffered to get my upgrade 
and I will not hold still for you not suffering like I did".
GOD HELP US ALL.
 
I assume this will generate some flame, but so be it. The only
thing I ask is send it via e-mail since the net is cluttered
up enough now.

73s for all the guys and 88s to all the gals. (Sexist remark 
acknowledged.)
All standard disclaimers should be applied at this point.
David C. Marden, Bell Communications Research, 100 Schultz Dr. P.O.
Box 7050 Red Bank, NJ 07701 908-758-5643 vixen!mdc@bellcore.bellcore.com
Also known as King Edward the second, Amateur Golfer (KE2AG)
From: turner@safety.ICS.UCI.EDU (Clark Savage Turner WA3JPG)
Subject: QRP SSB net starting...
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:19:13 GMT

A couple of QRP ARCI members plan to start an SSB QRP net of some sort.
The "first pass" will be this Saturday at 1900 UTC on or about
28.322.  Max, KA9JKK and Clark, WA3JPG will be there to start.

This is NOT an exclusive QRP activity.  ALL amateurs of good will are
invited.  The subjects we would like to discuss are all facets of
low power operation, especially low power radio design, antenna design
and practice, and fun propogation.  We will, of course, have fun lying
about our QRP conquests, trying to outdo each other....if our egoes are
threatened (hi hi).

If you are so inclined, give us a try using as low power as your
transmitter allows....and if that doesn't work, crank it up until
we all can hear you, if the 10 meter spirits are with us!

73
Clark
WA3JPG
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: pillera@csd630a.erim.org (Joe Pillera)
Subject: Re: ARRL Bulletin 68  ARLB068
In-reply-to: n4hy@idacrd.UUCP's message of 21 Jul 92 14:58:37 GMT
Organization: Environmental Research Institute of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan
Distribution: na
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:55:47

> [stuff deleted] 
> they may change the name to AARL...

Hmm.  Does that stand for the American Association of Retired Lids? 

:-)
--

-----
Joe Pillera, N8QYO                       ERIM
Research Scientist                       Image Processing Systems Division
pillera@erim.org                         P.O. Box 134001
(313) 994-1200 x2754                     Ann Arbor, Michigan  48113-4001

Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are solely those of Joe Pillera,
            and not of ERIM or its affiliates.

From: rogerm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Roger Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:40:29 GMT
Subject: Wanted: P2AT mods
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc

Anybody out there have any mods for the ICOM P2AT HT

					Roger Mitchell
					N0MCR
From: brian@ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL Bulletin 68  ARLB068
Date: 26 Jul 1992 04:58:09 GMT
Organization: The Avant-Garde of the Now, Ltd.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

In article <306@arrl.org> ehare@arrl.org (Ed Hare KA1CV) writes:
>If you feel that any organization is doing any one thing that is 
>important to you, join the organization to support that activity or program.
>That also gives you the opportunity to influence (and more effectively 
>complain about) all the rest.

Conversely, those IN the organization whose positions you oppose will
grandly ignore your opposition and point with great pride to the fact
that you are still a member - "they must agree with what we're doing,
or they wouldn't keep renewing."

No, I believe you can have as much or MORE influence on any dues-
supported organization by making your position known AND explaining
that the error of their ways is why you will not support them with
your membership.

In that way, you are making doubly sure that your point is understood.
You have "put your money where your mouth is."
	- Brian