HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jchoi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jinwon Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Help me for finding a friend
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:42:27 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]


Hi. I am looking for a friend who came from Korea a week ago.  His name is
Seong- a Kim. Since he got an admission from the department of architecture at
Harvard university, I believe he was heading to Boston area. If anybody knows
him, please let me know. Or if anybody knows someone studing in the department
of architecture, urban planning or computer science at Harvard, please send me
his name, phone number and e-mail account. 

Thanx in advance.

Jinwon Choi 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: KCIA
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:39:39 GMT

In article <14AUG199203265457@zeus.tamu.edu> b0k2481@zeus.tamu.edu (KIM, BYUNGSEON) writes:
>Dear Denny, (it's much better than GMT, Tong, Wong, etc.)

I agree.  Hi, Denny.  :)

>BTW, Mr. Han N. Kim, what is KCIA?  I am on this net group only two weeks.
>Would you tell me more about this?

If I may answer this, KCIA stands for Korean Congregation of Individualists
and Atheists.  Basically these are people will flame at any
generalizations, any blind assumptions, and any fanaticism for anything.
People like these keeps everything straight, and at the same time nothing
gets done.  By the way, I am a member just because I fit the description.

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: For the Gossip Lovers... (And other mumbling)
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:16:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.023809.13634@news.columbia.edu> jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim) writes:
>With all due respect to people who think some countries owe apology to some
>others, if you ask me (of course, nobody did), I don't give a sh*t.  I
>DON'T NEED APOLOGIES FROM ANYONE WHO DOES NOT FEEL LIKE DOING IT.  I have a
>Japanese friend, who knows about what happened (although different about
>what I have learned) and understands the sensitivity of the issue.  That
>means a lot more to me than some apology from some politicians full of BS
>or emperor.  It would be a nice gesture, if they did, but I rather want

Really there's not much to it.  *Only* thing is that 20 years down the road,
as of now, history books shall report Japan's Prime Minister expressed 
"regret" for 36 years of colonization of Korea under the banner of Emperor.
Then another 20 years later, everybody will forget about it, and who knows,
Koreans lose own memory of the past and will be happy there after.
From: jost@butch.coyote.trw.com (Patrick Jost)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Korean Language Books for Sale!
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:11:18 GMT
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA

Hi,

I have...


	Myongdo's Korean
	201 Korean Verbs


$20 or best offer. I'll pay postage in the USA...


Thanks (komapsumnida),


Patrick



-- 
..suenos perdidos, dolor infinito, ya sin sentido, en el triste fluir, de los
llantos sumergidos, al silencio de un grito en el vacio... (J. L. Velasquez)

              Patrick Jost/jost@coyote.trw.com/(310) 812-2759
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Japanese-Apology
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 09:07:03 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

In article <20AUG199203212800@zeus.tamu.edu> b0k2481@zeus.tamu.edu (KIM, BYUNGSEON) writes:
>Who is this guy?  Another anonymous-cheat-the-net-and-run-away?
>This time it is from japan, I guess.

	I'm pretty sure he's not a Japanese.
	*.ac.jp is one of the reliable internet sites where
	you can throw a finger.

>Please go to hell.

	I guess he's in there now.

>B. Sean Kim.............................

	You may want to spell your first name;
	otherwise, ..., I'll pass it over... :)
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	dskim@eng.umd.edu
From: mtnbiker@singletrack.EBay.Sun.COM (Daniel Abernethy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: intelligence, genes, bloodshed
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:49:24 GMT
Reply-To: mtnbiker@singletrack.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: singletrack.ebay.sun.com

Howdy,

Just a half-breed lurker who needs to find some roots; wanting to throw my 
2cents in regarding the Questions:


>Historically the relation has been very 'regrettable'.  Korea is stuck
>between two countries (China and Japan) that loves to EXPAND.  Korean
>peninsula is a good passage between China and Japan.  Thus it became a
>well-traveled road covered with blood.

>  my parents really believe in intelligence is part of the genes- is that
>    common among koreans?

If you plug these two together, you will find that during all the 
wars/bloodshed only the SMART ones with the wits to survive, lived.

So as far as koreans go, yes intelligence is genetic IMHO.

Plus they make DAMN good soldier/warriors!!!

c-ya 

Daniel Pak Abernethy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: edso@watson.ibm.com (Edward So)
Subject: Re: Gold Medal in Marathon
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:00:10 GMT
Reply-To: edso@watson.ibm.com		
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <85974@netnews.upenn.edu>, dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master tong) writes:
|> I have full right of access to this newsgroup. Everyone in America has 
|> his/her rights.
No doubt.  But there is a fine line between freedom of speech and an outright
slander.  If someone makes indecent remarks about my mother in the net, 
I could sue that person for damage.  Chill out.  Like I said, the tone of
your articles were inflammatory, even if you didn't mean it.
If I said, "Isn't Ghana a province of Nigeria?", or something, you wound't
feel easy even if you knew I was an absolute idiot.
Perhaps you could share your African mentality and compare it with that
of Asians?  I am old enough to be bored by insults and flames.

|> 
|> MT 

-- 
Edward So,  Computing Systems, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
IBM VNET: EDSO at WATSON       Internet: edso@watson.ibm.com
Xref: sparky soc.culture.korean:3749 soc.culture.asian.american:8272 soc.culture.asean:5594
From: wltsai@ocf.berkeley.edu (Wei-Lun Tsai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:49:49 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: planecrash.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug21.002550.2783@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>But what I'm saying is that's where you are wrong.  Japan is among the
>least likely of any nation in Asia to wield its military forces to
>injure another nation.
>

Any proof to support such a claim?  I don't believe this.  Just look at
what happened in WWII.  Didn't Japan attack Uncle Sam first?  Didn't Japan
invade China first?

Give us a break!

Wei-Lun Tsai
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: wgcho@gorai.kaist.ac.kr (Wongyu Cho)
Subject: Re: Gold Medal in Marathon
Organization: KAIST
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 04:19:10 GMT

wyg9633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Wooed Sun) writes:
> yongseok@harrell.ecn.purdue.edu (Yongseok Park) writes:
> 
> > Congratulations on Hwan Young-Cho who won the gold medal in Marathon.
> > Silver and bronze went to Japanese and German.
> 
> I believe that, until 3 years ago when I left Korea, Koreans were never
> good at marathon, and that they didn't even think about a medal in olympics.
> Now, all the sudden this guy jumped into tv and grabbed a gold in marathon.
> What ever has happened since then?  Did they import not only Big Mac (my
> favorite) but also Eastern German coaches? :-)
> By the way, who is this guy?   Can anyone kindly explain these?
Surprisingly enough, the Olympic run was his fourth race. 
He broke the 2hrs10min barrier which was unbroken for a decade in Korea,
at his third race(last year I guess) and suddenly became a star.
The other two racers (Kim, Wanki and Lee, JaeHyung) also broke the 2:10
record after him, so they were really in good shape after all. 
I wouldn't have been surprised to see any of them winning a medal.

However, winning a medal and winning a gold medal is quite different.
There is a hidden hero behind Hwang's gold medal. After about 25km or so,
the leading group was Hwang, Kim and a Japanese guy named Mori-something.
Kim took the lead and Mori had no chance but to follow him not to give up 
the lead. In other words, Kim and Mori was running side-by-side and Hwang
was following them right behind, with no wind pressure.
Eventually Kim overpaced and fell out of the race(he took the 28th place). 
I personally, do think that at least 30% of the Gold medal should be given 
to Kim (and pissed off that the Korean press are not even mentioning about him).
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From: junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:39:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: gandalf.Aug.19.10.39.51.1992.2931
Followup-To: soc.culture.korean
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <kim.920818121048@magneto.physics.auburn.edu>, news@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
> That is all. I want to love Japan even though I have something in my mind and
> am suspicious on Japan. Hope some day Japan be a Big brother who is
						 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> trustable.       

No flaming is intended. 
Ms. or Mr. Kim; I see your good will toward improvement of the
relationship between Korea and Japan. But why Japan as "a Big
brother"?  Why not we stand equally? Just reminds me of old bullshit 
confucianism. 

Jung S. Lee
From: dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master tong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Chinese questions
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:05:58 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In a previous article, Mr.Brian Chung wrote:

>...individualistic....test scores

I do not care if I will only get a rough estimate or individualistic judgement
from James, that is what I want.
taking you test scores example, I want to know what James thinks about the
general performance of the class.
Surely he must know better than I do what the general score of the class
should be around, since he has been in the class for some time while I have 
never been in his class.

Again. I am not searching for the absolute answer because I can not. But by
asking you guys, I will be closer to the truth, isn't it?

I believe James MUST have an opinion of what his sverage fellow Korean thinks
and this opinion is exactly what I want.

PLease, do not confuse me with "loop-hole" logic.
It is one thing to refuse to answer me and another thing to confuse me.

To Mr.Chung:

I again stress that I know nothing about both countries; lets say I am writing
a thesis on
"How do Koreans and Japanese and Chinese perceive each other"
Why then can I not ask you about what you think is the similarity between
religion in Korea and China? Surely, since Korea is near China, I assume
you know more about China than I do.
That was an OPEN question directed to whoever knows enough about both countries
 to answer. It was not directed to Mr.Choi.

About your calling me scatterbrained . PLease remeber I originally posted
it as a question, not an answer.

I did not say:

The average Korean has an Uzi

I said :

Do they.......?

And I made sure I preceded that with the statement:

"from a layman's observation......"
        ^^^^^^^

I also ended with:

"Is this generalization true?"

This all goes on to show that, being human, I cannot but help making
generalizations based on what I see on the TV since I don't know
much about Koreans. It was up to me to humbly ask for better knowleged
peole for their opinion, which I did.
I did not make a statement, I asked a question and was answered, albeit 
rudely, but thanks everyone for responding anyhow.

Bye.

P.S. Logic reigns supreme during debates   
   




Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: yk7m@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Young-Kuk Kim)
Subject: Help find someone's phone number
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:34:21 GMT

Hi, netters

I lost the contact with my friend, whose name is Howard (Chi-Kwan) 
Choi. He is a part time PhD student of EE at Ohio State University.
If anybody in OSU (Columbus, Ohio) reading this news,
please help me find out his phone number.

I really appreciate your help.

-- Young-kuk Kim
From: dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master tong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Chinese questions
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:31:02 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


Dear Mr. Sean Kim,

I would like to apologise if I offended you or other Koreans with my words;    maybe I was careless when using them.PLease think nothing of it.
I was careless when using them. Please think nothing of it.

But again, you can not blame me for making generalizations.
As a Scientist, you trust in what you observe and see and make hypothesis (geneYOu then go on to try to prove it.
If you succeed in proving your hypothesis, it becomes an accepted truth. 
And this is exactly what I did.
I saw the pictures on T.V.
I formed my hypothesis. That does not mean I trust it.
I then went on to prove it my asking people around what they think, including
the Koreans.
Surely, this must be better than not believing everything you see on the T.V.
or believing everything you see, both without careful investigation.???

Good Day.

Denny.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shin-jungshik@CS.YALE.EDU (Jungshik Shin)
Subject: Re: KOREAN RELATED SOFTWARE FTP SITE IN USA; DANSI UPLOADED.
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 18:50:17 GMT

In article <kim.920814121531@magneto.physics.auburn.edu> news@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>
>Hi. Yesterday I uploaded KOREAN HANGUL FONT CARD emulator ,KOREANWP.ZIP
> into a ftp site " nic.funet.fi " under directory pub/culture/korea.
  You did a good job. 
>
>It emaultes korean font and supports kscode, sambo, dkby, dkbii, dkby2
>-- nearly all of the korean codes.  This is for VGA only,
  You'd rather not have changed its name from DANSI to KOREANWP.ZIP to give
proper credit to the programmer of DANSI,Hyungjin Ha at KAIST Undergraduate.

> but there are two softwares for hercules mode, 
>dkby.com and dark.com: dbky is tsr program which can be initiated by 
>bosuk word processor. (sambo computer developed this wp.) dark.com is

  This is not correct. DKBI(Dokkebi) works for any IBM compatible with
almost any graphic card regardless of whether one has Bosuk-gul(GEMWORD) or
not. 

>P.S. anonymous site cair.kaist.ac.kr was closed. And can not find out
>the other anonymous ftp site in korea. If some body can access one
>of those in korea, would you upload valuable softwares into
>nic.funet.fi so that the koreans in USA can share this opportunity?
  
   You may not have seen my follow-up post on anonymous FTP site with Korean
programs. 'GARAM.KREONET.RE.KR' has as many programs as CAIR had. One can
get necessary programs from GARAM by anonymous FTP. Hopefully, CAIR will
open soon again.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
From: chuakh@leland.Stanford.EDU (Khenghwa Chua)
Subject: Re: China/Dwight/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 22:50:29 GMT


This seems to be a heated discussion about the atrocities committed by
both sides over the last 100 years or so.  I don't know the exact
figures but I feel that this comparison over who killed more people and
who should apologise first reeks of a school playground mentality.  The
truth of the matter is that people were killed on both sides and we need
to acknowledge the facts before people distort them for their own ends.
The Japanese had a strong movement to alter their textbooks' treatment
of the Second World War, excluding most material related to the
atrocities committed by the Japanese.  If this is passed, young Japanese
will never be able to fully fathom the caution that countries in Asia
exercise when Japan announces a move like sending troops on overseas
exercises.  

An apology will serve to smooth over some of the resentment in the
region.  Japan should also present the facts of what happened in WWII,
and how their campaign of freeing Asia from the colonialists was based
purely on aspirations of empire-building.  There doesn't need to be a
scapegoat for the facts to be presented.

As for the Chinese side of things, DengXiaoPing did try the Gang Of Four
for the massive killings in the Cultural Revolution.  The facts should
also be presented so that people can understand how dangerous a
demagogue like Mao can be.  Of course, with a communist regime in power,
that's not going to happen.  

As for anti-Japanese resentment in Asia, I think it is still very strong
even among those in their 50s, who were mere toddlers when the war broke
out.  I know many of my relatives use derogatory terms to describe
Japan, and these feelings won't die easily.

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From: 61l512@cfi.waseda.ac.jp (Hello, how are you ?)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:51:07 GMT
Organization: Dept of Applied Physics, Waseda University
X-Nntp-Posting-Host: wucc.cfi.waseda.ac.jp

In article <Aug.19.11.25.42.1992.6843@gandalf.rutgers.edu> junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
>My question:
>	Does it make sense to get an apology from someone while you
>owe someone else an apology? China had done so many war crimes, more
>than Japan did, and Korea has never gotten any apology from China, either
>Main China or Taiwan.  If China feels that the apology for what Japan
>had done to China during WW II is a must, China should feel obligated
>to what she had done to Korea in the long history between China and Korea.
>I am not saying that Japan should not apologize to the Chinese who
>suffered from all those shameful crimes. But China cannot ignore the
>need of an apology to Korea either.

  Chinese government, either Beijing or Taibei, had never asked an
apology from Japanese. Only Korea's seems like the apologies from
other people, not only Japanese but also Chinese. A nationality who
need otherperson's apology everyday will not be a devoloped, great
nationality forever.


-- 
			61l512@cfi.waseda.ac.jp
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Open letter to GMT
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 00:07:50 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: soc.culture.korean

In article <86570@netnews.upenn.edu> dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master tong) writes:
>But scientific methods are applied nevertheless to society and with
>success; that is why we have social sciences like economics and psycology,
>right?
	I don't think this can be propagate to behavior of individuals
	with different culture.

	I can agree when they say monkey does this & that in this &
	that situation; but if someone said, this monkey from -hmm,
	let's say from South America - does this while that monkey
	from India -well, do they have one(?) - does that, so
	Latin Monkey does this and Indian Monkey does that,
	I would smack this head.

	I really don't think you can apply the scientific method
	- well, I am not still sure what this is but any logical
	method - can be applied to the behavior of human-being
	in order to differentiate cultural background.

	As a matter of fact, I think the individual character will
	(can) build up totally different behavior within the same
	culture; and I believe that's why there are jerks everywhere
	(well, you can add me in).

>You see, although  some people are different some times, not all people are 
>different all the time. In other words, theories proposed by these 
>social sciences predict to a satisfactory degree what the
>"AVERAGE" person will do given the conditions.

	Well, although some people are same some times, not all people
	are same all times by your theory; but same on what?
	I have never seen the copy of myself yet; neither did any other
	people's.

	I don't know what your/social scientist's definition of
	AVERAGE person is; but if you believe in those,
	you may want to expect a computer that works as
	your/social scientis's definition of AVERAGE person
	from those social scientists.

>The economists predicts that when prices fall, people tend to buy more.
>Although a few qeer individuals will rather buy less (due to whatever reasons
>like status problems etc), on the whole, more people will buy more when
>the prices fall.
>I really think I can apply scientific tools to society.

	This has nothing to do with Culture, I guess;
	nor can be apllied to Culture.
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	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Open letter to GMT
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:11:56 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <86554@netnews.upenn.edu> dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master tong) writes:
> >>>Are all Chinese not able to write their name?
>
>Yes , this was written by me.
>I quoted that netter's statement out of my memory and that , really,
>was what the KOREAN netter wrote, although not exactly the same.
>Now if you want to attack me for quoting other people's statemetn
>from memory, fine, but do not go on to add meaning to things I said.

There is nothing wrong with quoting from one's memory, as long as you state
so.  You changed "these Chinese" to "All Chinese".  That is a serious
distortion.  The moral of the story is DO NOT PUT ">" IF YOU ARE NOT
QUOTING VERBATIM.  We are having enough problems clarifying what we
actually said.

The happened after mc5 (the maoist) refused to post his name.  And
incidentally another Chinese gentleman after you also did not use his name.
Later he wrote me saying he did not use it because it was irrelevant and he
wanted to save the bandwidth by not using his sig.

>I think there should rather be a public hearing of your unethical 
>assumption that I "unethically manioulated" the netters.

You are the one who wanted to sue someone who posted your article (not even
a private letter) to soc.culture.korean while there is a huge overlap
between the readers of s.c.japan and s.c.korea.  How would you feel if the
guy also distorted what you said under your name?

>Denny.

James Choi