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From: z_coolidgejs@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: Heart of Midnight, Ravenloft
Date: 30 Dec 92 13:49:09 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

I have been able to get into the net for a little while.  It seems that there
are indeed role-players here.

> HAS ANY ONE STARTED REAFING THE RAVENLOFT NOVELS,FROM TSR. THE BOOK HEART 
> OF MIDNIGHT IS ABOUT WEREWOLVES.
>  GIVE ME YOUR INSIGHT INTO THE BOOK,IAM A FAN OF WEREWOLVES AND THE HORROR
> GENRE
 
Yes, I read Ravenloft, and I also game in the setting.
     Ravenloft (a setting for the Advanced Dungeons and Dragons game,
comparable to Dragonlance and the Forgotten Realms--but a bit more frightening)
is a wonderful role playing setting, but as far as werewolves go, it relies a
little too much on the typical werewolf bit.  Werewolves in the demi-plane of
Ravenloft (this doesn't look like prime material reality, Toto!) are inherantly
evil, for one thing.  Like all evil there, they are linked to the land, which
is itself an evil entity of collosal power, so I guess the inherant evil bit is
justified here without having to resort to a devil in the traditional since. 
Werewolves are affected by silver (or +1 or better magic weapons) and full
moons.  While normal people cannot become true werewolves, one can get a weaker
form of true lycanthropy as a curse, gained from a bite from either a true
werewolf or a cursed individual in lupine form.
     Ravenloft is a wonderful setting for vampires.  Ehem, excuse me, vampyres. 
For werewolves it is pretty good, but I prefer Werewolf: the Apocalypse.  I
will admit that Werewolf makes some stuff up, but at least it isn't the same
old stuff anymore.  On the other hand, some time in 1993 there will come a
Ravenloft suppliment titled Van Richten's Guide to Shapechangers.  If it is as
good as an equivalent one for vampyres, then Ravenloft should become a nice
setting indeed.  Before the guide to vampyres came out, the vampyres of
Ravenloft were in the same boat that werewolves are in now.  But the guide
fixed that little problem quite well.

Z_CoolidgeJS@ccsvax.sfasu.edu      Jonathan S. Coolidge
    /|     |\       You see before you in the darkness two beady little eyes
   / | O o | \      staring behind a thin slit between two giant panels.  Below
  /  |     |  \     is a tiny candle, flickering a faint orange light.  The
 /   |  @  |   \    being looks at you and says:
/    |  T  |    \     Make a roll vs. your strength, and hurry up; I want to
|    |  |  |    |     finish this game by two.
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: adelle@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (adelle.s.Petrocco)
Subject: Sweet Blood - vampire novel
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 07:28:06 GMT

Has anyone read Sweet Blood by Pat Graversen?
If so, what are your comments?

Newsgroups: alt.horror,rec.arts.movies
From: donnell@eel.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: Jacobs Ladder
Organization: none
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 00:51:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.184736.852@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> moursand@lonestar.utsa.edu (Bowen M. Moursund) writes:
>>Predictable?!  You must be the only person (at least, that I know)
>>who thought this.  Most people needed to watch the movie about 5
>>times before they had a gist of what was going on.
>
>Ron - Since I haven't YET fiigered it out, could you explain it?<g>
>
>- Bowen -
>
>---

I swear, anyone who has seen "Occurence At Owl Creek Bridge", and watched
the Freddy Movies and TV series would have a serious edge on the average
viewer. Unfortunately, the film makes no sense no matter how you work it.
Nice imagery though, and well paced.

<All IMHO>
Pax
Happy Holidays!
					--Judex--
.
From: shawn.golmon@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Shawn Golmon) 
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: BOB-to Eric the Super
Date: 20 Dec 92 16:37:00 GMT
Reply-To: shawn.golmon@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Shawn Golmon) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Freddy's Place BBS - Edmonton, AB - 403-456-4241

ST>From: st902173@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
ST>Newsgroups: alt.horror
ST>Subject: Re: BOB-to Eric the Super Annoying
ST>Message-ID: <1992Dec15.022518.29358@news.cs.brandeis.edu>
ST>Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:25:18 GMT
ST>Reply-To: st902173@pip.cc.brandeis.edu

Hi there! Pardon me for leaping in (I'm quite new to this conference
and still playing catch up). It is true that Clive Barker's Books of
Blood are readily available in Canada in their original British format.
Typically in two volumes, Books of Blood 1-3 and 4-6, but some stores
do carry the "singles" (1,2,...6) as well.

One of the better bookstores in the Edmonton, Alberta which will do mail
order is "Greenwoods". Better yet, they even have an 800 phone number
(but I can't be sure that it'll work from the US).  In any case, here's
the detail:  Greenwoods, 8133-104 St., Edmonton, AB  CANADA  T6E 4E4
(phone: 1-800-661-2078 OR 1-403-439-5600).

Good hunting!

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From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: alt.horror,rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Why do people hate Culkin?
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:51:53 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

sdt8s@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson) writes:

>I hate Culkin because he's obnoxious and untalented and because
>his father strong-arms his way around Hollywood trying to get
>his *&%$#!! brat into other people's movies.

And you blame the kid for his father's behavior?
What an interesting approach.
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
Newsgroups: alt.horror,rec.arts.movies
From: gswan@psych.toronto.edu (George Swan)
Subject: Re: Jacobs Ladder
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 13:50:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.033625.11670@rigel.econ.uga.edu> hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.024833.14102@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> kinsman@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Aphoriel/Kinsman) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec29.022747.3990@news.eng.convex.com> ramon@convex.com (Ramon Dominguez) writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec29.020157.11546@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> kinsman@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Aphoriel/Kinsman) writes:

Various people have posted interesting explanations of "Jacob's Ladder".
Several of the more recent ones have confused two of the characters.
There is a mysterious stranger, who tells our hero that he was an
participant in a secret mind control, drug experiment.  Then there is
the more important character, Louie, played by Danny Aeillo (sp?), who
our hero thinks of as his chiropractor.  Recent posters have referred
to the mysterious stranger as Louie.

The chiropractor is the more important character, he gives our hero
important spiritual advice, displays super-human powers when he rescues
our hero from the VA hospital.  I believe that "Louie" is actually
supposed to be "Lucifer".

I watch for name clues like this nowadays.  I saw "Angel Heart" with
a friend of mine

who said it was obvious to her that Robert Deniro was the devil from
the first scene, when he is introduced as Mr. Louie Cypher.  I felt
dim that I had been led astray by the cipher bit, and decided to
always watch for clues like this in the future.
From: dstuart@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: S. King Ka-Ka
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:22:24 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

	Help!  I am now reading THE WASTE LANDS by SK and in this book King 
mentions something called "ka".  it has been awhile sense I read THE 
DRAWING OF THE THREE and I have forgotten the meaning of "ka". If anyone
could help[ me out it would be greatly appreciated.



						STU   
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From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror,rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Jacobs Ladder
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:37:24 GMT
Organization: none

In article <1992Dec27.162926.7638@CERIS.Purdue.EDU> tfisher@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Tom Fisher) writes:
>>>
>>>
>> 
>>    Unfortunately, the film makes no sense no matter how you work it.
>>
>The very basis of this movie is ridiculous and assinine.  This movie is
>not based on a dream.  It *IS* a dream.  And, consequently, *ANYTHING* goes!
>No rules, no logic, nothing has to make sense.  This movie was a total
>waste of my time.
>
>Tom

Sorry, but that is contradicted by several events in the film. Don't worry
though, all interpretations are contradicted by events in the film.
That's why I say that it just doesn't work. if it's a dream, it's a dream
of the future, while he dies in Nam. So "The Ladder" and the information he
recieved about it, never happened????

Big waste, in general...

Pax
					--Judex--
PS: What opinions there are, in this message, are mine and mine alone.
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: mcduffeek@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: More Alies Vs. Predator news
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:04:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.230215.8635@njitgw.njit.edu>, rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich) writes:
> In article <1992Dec21.140234.1@woods.ulowell.edu> mcduffeek@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>>In Wizard Magazine, it is metioned once again that Aliens vs. Predators will
>>be shooting next year.  The movie will be titled ALIENS VS PREDATORS: THE HUNT.
>>It will be based on the mini-series comic book.  I'd advise you to grab
>>yourself a copy or two of the series, because the value will shoot up VERY
>>high.  As an example of how much comics can go up in price from popularity,
>>the Superman comic in which he dies is now worth almost $40!!
>>
>>  =====             Keith "Overtime" McDuffee            PHI KAPPA SIGMA
>>                   mcduffeek@woods.ulowell.edu              Dracut,  MA
>>                             - or -                            01826
>>                    kmcduffee@cs.ulowell.edu                    USA
> 
> 	$40?! To whom!!! I have 4 I'm willing to sell for $25 a piece.  A
> FAR better example (especially since the Superman issue has nothing to do
> with movies or horror) is the Batman glut caused by the success of the first
> movie.  I recommend picking it up, but caution all of you that Wizard movie
> news is far from official or confirmed.  Up until just recently, they've 
> been insisting that Cameron would do an X-Men film.  Take it with a grain
> of salt if at all.
> 
> 						Ray
> 
> p.s. On the plus side, Dark Horse does have its own production company now
> (responsible for the abysmal Dr. Giggles btw), and does have the rights to
> Aliens and Predator liscensing.

Yeah, and Batman was a gorefest I suppose!?  Anyways, as far as the $40 I
mentioned, I saw it displayed somewhere for $35, so I assumed there were other
places that sold for MORE.  I know someone who is a die-hard collector and he
knows that tons of people are still looking for copies!  Put it this way, if
it's only $10, that's a hell of alot for being out for such a short time!

Sorry about keeping comics in the discussion.  I know this is a horror group.

-- 
  =====             Keith "Overtime" McDuffee            PHI KAPPA SIGMA
    |                                                International Fraternity
  =====                                                Gamma Upsilon Chapter
    |                  InterNet Mail I.D.                U.Mass. at Lowell
  ===                  ------------------                  P.O.  Box 113
                   mcduffeek@woods.ulowell.edu              Dracut,  MA
                             - or -                            01826
                    kmcduffee@cs.ulowell.edu                    USA
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Hello and Happy Holidays
Date: 23 Dec 92 23:37:24 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Hello everyone! I have been completely out of it for months now, but I am
still around and I would like to wish all of you a happy holiday! Hopefully
when things get back to normal (I am starting to forget what that is like!)
here at work, I will be posting again. Until then, everyone have a good one
and I will see you next year!

				Laurel :)


__________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________

Laurel A. Povazan                                "There is nothing there
laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
 the avid horror fan!)                                 -Advertising line  
						        for "Cape Fear"
						 
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Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: anna@psych.toronto.edu (Anna Filippone)
Subject: Re: Clive Barker: From _The_Thief_Of_Always_
Organization: P.S.A. (Psychology Student's Association)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 15:30:23 GMT

In article <1hbjqfINNs2a@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> caedmon@cats.ucsc.edu (Axeman) writes:
>
>I thought TToAlways was a disgrace.  It is evidant that Clive is moving back
>to short stories, but I think TToA has a potentially good plot with an
>extremely predictable series of events.  It seems, almost, that it was
>written by Barker in his first few years after high school and he re-
>discovered the document just recently.
>
>-jq
>-- 
>,;';,.,;';,.,;';,.,;';,.,;';,.,;';,.,;';,.,;';,.,;';,.,;';,.,;';,.,;';,
>,;';,   caedmon@ucscb.ucsc.edu               Jeff Ishaq          .,;';,
>,;';,   I am a meatball:  Bite me.           Guitar withdrawal!  .,;';,
>,;';,.,;';,.,;';,.,;';,.,;';,.,;';,.,;';,.,;';,.,;';,.,;';,.,;';,.,;';,

I didn't think of it as a disgrace at all.  Sure, it wasn't anywhere near
as complex as his novels, or even his short stories, but it's meant to be
simple, IMHO -- after all it's even labelled as "A magical book for readers
of all ages".  Try looking at it from the point of view of a ten year old
child.  I think someone of that age would love this book.  In fact, I can't
wait until my neice puts a few years on her so I can introduce her to the
writings of Clive Barker (scary stuff, eh?).  :-)

Anna

p.s. Weren't the illustrations great?  I'd love to see more of his drawings.
p.p.s. And the photo of the author was fantastic too -- who'd imagine this
       bespectacled kid would grow up to become such a warped guy?

-- 
			  "Mark but this flea, and mark in this,
Anna Filippone		   How little that which thou deniest me is: 
anna@psych.toronto.edu 	   Me it sucked first, and now sucks thee,  
			   And in this flea our two bloods mingled be." - Donne 
Newsgroups: alt.horror
(Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0n5nfl-0000mCC; Sat, 26 Dec 92 18: 24 PST
From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Subject: Re: Horro RPG Hyperzine
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 18:11:19 PST

Do you think the magazine will be formatted for other systems? (Hypercard
GS??)
Newsgroups: alt.horror,rec.arts.movies
From: kinsman@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Aphoriel/Kinsman)
Subject: Re: Jacobs Ladder
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 02:48:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.022747.3990@news.eng.convex.com> ramon@convex.com (Ramon Dominguez) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.020157.11546@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> kinsman@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Aphoriel/Kinsman) writes:
>=>[Jake] died in the vet hospital. (This is what they kept flashing back to;
>=>the ending scene reveals that MC was dead all along throughout the movie.)
>=>[Jake] spends several years in purgatory, or more precisely a semi-hell for
>=>people whose afterlife fates are undecided.
>
>No no no no no no...
>
>Jake was dying throughout the entire movie.  The movie was what was going on
>in Jake's mind while he was dying.  Louie explained it to Jake;  he said that
>dying people who attempted to hold onto life were tormented by demons until
>they let go.
>
D
No no no no no NO...

Jake [thank you]'s "dream" lasted for years and years...

It seems more sensible that he would be dead.  In theories of the supernatural,
it has been postulated that for dead people, there is a 'zone' which hovers
right before the proper afterlife, where confused dead people who don't under-
stand that they are dead, ghosts and whatnot, live.  Also, the semantics of 
Louie's statement could be interpreted differently...

-Person is dying
-Person attempts to hold onto life as he dies
-Person dies
-Person is tormented by demons in this semi-hell
-Person lets go and is saved

Louie himself [I am assuming Louie was the Ladder researcher, discard this
paragraph entirely if that is wrong] was also dead. I believe that him
explaining to Jake about the "Ladder" drug vindicated both of them; Louie
gets it off his chest and can go off to the afterlife, while Jake starts
to figure out what's going on.

-Sean Givan/ Aphoriel/Kinsman

D
D
>
>-- 
>Ramon Dominguez             | "Work is the curse of the drinking class"       
>Convex Computer Corporation |                            --Oscar Wilde
>ramon@convex.com            | "Ceci n'est pas une .signature file"
From: kjs@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (kelly.smith)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: SK:  Dolores Claiborne
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:41:04 GMT
Organization: AT&T


I apololgize is if this has been discussed already,
but I have been away....

When is Stephen King going to come out with another
supernatural novel?  I've read Four Past Midnight,
Needful Things, Gerald's Game, and Dolores Claiborne
as soon as they hit the stands and was disappointed.
While the all had a hint of the supernatural, none of
them really focused on it.  I've read just about every
book he's written and I love his stuff.  I guess now's
the time to read all of Clive barker's books.  I've only
read Hellbound Heart and Great and Secret Show (loved this
one).  Any recommendations?

I've heard rumors that the movie, The Stand, is coming
out in the fall of 1993.  Is there any truth to that?

Also what were Stephen King and Clive Barker working
on earlier this year?  I caught a blurb on A Current
Affair about a movie they were working on.  In it
Barker's arms were covered with fake blood.  Looked
interesting.

Anyone know when Evil Dead III is coming out if at all?

Thanks......Kelly Jean
From: mdouglas@cad067.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Maria Douglas )
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: S. King Ka-Ka
Date: 31 Dec 92 19:26:02 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp.


-- 
The Egyptians believed that the "ka" or "soul" of a person
lived on in the afterlife.  In their pyramids and burial
tombs they often built fake doors through which the ka could
move from room to room. (The reference to fate that someone
else made seems to ring a bell, too.)  I saw a replica of
a tomb at the Rosicrucian Egyptian Museum in San Jose,
California, in a tour where the guide explained the ka to
us.

I hope the ka-ka isn't ka-nfusing anymore :-)

M-
--
Maria E. Douglas	(408) 765-4728		    
Intel Corporation	mdouglas@cadev6.intel.com  

"Mina!  You're TOTALLY a vampiress!" 
	
	Keanu Reeves as Jonathan Harker in "Dracula"
From: tholeva@bu.edu (Thomas Holeva)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: Clearing the rumors..
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:14:16 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

First of all can someone tell me where exactly is the 'American Stonehenge.'
As I'm in school in Boston, I'd like to go see it.

Also, it's doubtful that it's a ciderpress since apples were brought over
with the Europeans.

And all those theories about 'white Amerinds' speaking Welsh and ogham
writing in Colorado is a lot of fanciful pseudoarchaeology.

The only proven pre-Columbus colony was that of the Vikings on the upper East
Coast...and as we all know that didn't survive for long.
		
		--Tom H.

p.s. Any GURPS Horror/CoC players at or near B.U.?
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: Hunting for Campell and Smith
From: jvincent@eagle.wesleyan.edu (The Ulair)
Date: 23 Dec 92 11:02:57 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

     It is nice to finally see that CHAOSIUM has provided brief quotes and
attributions from the stories where various entities appear in their section on 
Mythos beings.
    What is less nice is trying to actually find some of these.

     Does anyone know if some of J.Ramsey Campbell's earlier Lovecraftian works
are availible in print? I've been unable to find them, beyond "Cold Print" in
an old collection of Mythos tales.
    Or where to find Clark Ashton Smith's "Seven Geases"?

            -Jim
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
From: mlabossi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael C LaBossiere)
Subject: Seven Geases/Nightwatch
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:08:13 GMT

     CAS's "The Seven Geases" is on page 148 of The Monster of The Prophecy a 
Timescape Book, put out by Pocket-the one with the kangaroo logo. It came out 
in 1983 and should still be avilable at used book stores.
    Nightwatch #1, a horror/Cthulhu hyperzine is avaialble at 
mac.archive.umich.edu in the mac/hypercard/fun. Check it out if you have a Mac 
(its free).
From: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: Re: Clearing the rumors..
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:15:08 GMT
Organization: Miskatonic U. Computer Operations & User Services

tholeva@bu.edu (Thomas Holeva) writes:

>First of all can someone tell me where exactly is the 'American Stonehenge.'
>As I'm in school in Boston, I'd like to go see it.

It's called "Mystery Hill".  I forget the name of the New Hampshire town it's
in (Exeter?), but any good guidebook for NH should have it.  (It's south and
west of Manchester, about 10 miles from the local Anheuser-Busch brewery, as I
visited both sites one summer day over 10 years ago.)

>Also, it's doubtful that it's a ciderpress since apples were brought over
>with the Europeans.

The cider-press theory says the European colonists built it.

>And all those theories about 'white Amerinds' speaking Welsh and ogham
>writing in Colorado is a lot of fanciful pseudoarchaeology.

When I visited Mystery Hill, the same group that did the ogham
"pseudoarchaeology" were the "resident archaeologists" mentioned by Lupo.  It's
Barry Fell's AMERICA B.C. group, whoever they are.

>The only proven pre-Columbus colony was that of the Vikings on the upper East
>Coast...and as we all know that didn't survive for long.

Proven or not, the idea of Celts in New England fits in well with the Mythos.
-- 
Yog-Sothoth Neblod Zin,

Chris Jarocha-Ernst			Rutgers University Computing Services
Internet: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu       BITnet: JAROCHAERNST@ZODIAC
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From: sn@phoenix.oulu.fi (Sami Nieminen)
Subject: Re: Von Junzt - spelling question
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 12:12:55 GMT

Walder Matthias (WALDER@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de) wrote:
: In <1992Dec28.121521.4559@cs.aukuni.ac.nz> pgut1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz writes:
: 
: > Actually I think "Unaussprechliche Kulten" would be the correct form...
: 
: The original title is: "von unaussprechlichen Kulten"
: 
: Greetings... Matthias
: 

   Thanks... but what about the Junzt/Juntz -question ? Are the both
names right ? 

BTW. The same problem with Latin : I've seen 'De Vermis Mysteriis' and 'De
Vermiis Mysteriis'. Anybody native Roman out there ...:) ?

---sn@phoenix.oulu.fi