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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Castro Street (Re: Two threads:  women posting and "cures" and its spinoffs)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:15:07 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <1992Dec15.214714.10560@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor) wrote:
 
> season, feeling a little bitchy right now

Now, now.  *That* *word* is deeply offensive to a great many people,
and may force them into years of expensive therapy.  I do believe
you owe the Net a full apology for showing your anger is so
misogynistic a manner.

*X*
(how's that:  a self-hating, homophobic homosexual accusing a
lesbian of misogyny).
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: joeb@atmos.washington.edu (Joe Barsugli)
Subject: Seattle City Council joins CO boycott
Organization: Dept. of Atmospheric Sciences, University of Washington
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:34:21 GMT

Excerpted from today's Seattle Times:

"The Seattle City Council has adopted a resolution prohibiting the use
of city money for conferences or other business in cities or states
where laws exist that deny civil rights to people on the basis of
their sexual orientation." ....

"However, convention travel may not be banned for city employees in
all of Colorado, according to the resolution, since the cities of
Denver, Boulder and Aspen have said they will not abide by the state law."

This is sort of a half measure, in that the economic effect is
all but nullified by the exemptions for Denver, Boulder and Aspen.
Nevertheless, I think the symbolism and publicity are helpful.

The resolution was introduced by Sherry Harris.  Incidentally, there
is a nice profile of her in last week's Seattle Weekly--the cover
story (subtitled "Black, Lesbian, and Mainstream").  I'm not quite
sure what to make of that subtitle.  Coded racism? sexism?
heterosexism?, or just an eye-catching title that plays off many
people's stereotypes of African-Americans and Lesbians.  (Just some
random thoughts appended to an informational article.)

Joe Barsugli (joeb@atmos.washington.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa)
Subject: Re: Pittsburgh, PA
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:12:07 EST

>That's why God made sports cars -- for those stop signs at entrance
>ramps to highways. :-)  I used to love to take mine from 0-60 in 6
>seconds and surprise the hell out of the people on the highway: "But
>he was just at the entrance ramp!"

Naw, that's why Cod made motorcycles! 
(Six seconds? Feh. Try three or four.)

Dan
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Castro Street (Re: Two threads: women posting and "cures" and its spinoffs)
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:42:51 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <168BDF76.TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu>, TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu wrote:

> Melmon's post for the tripe it was and responded to *that* also.
> Or maybe he's in *your* kill file as well. Pity my software won't support
> that function.

Quite.  Pity, that.  Not, of course, that you didn't carefully 
avoid the tripe's point:  what is it that men in the Castro could
do to make women feel less invisible and more valued?  Owen, with
some prodding for explanations, answered:  nothing.  What can
men do to make women feel less invisible and more valued on 
soc.motss?  Answer:  nothing.  These are the responsibities of
women.  If men start talking about "women's issues" - everything's
fine until the male expresses an opinion counter to the 
prevailing female mindset.  Whereupon we are back to "misogynistic
pig" crap that seems to flow so easily from certain quarters.

*X*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tovah@panix.com (Tovah Hollander)
Subject: Re: pitfalls of foreign languages
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:49:58 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC


Robert Coren writes:
>... "I am a person from Berlin" is "Ich bin Berliner", and the
>insertion of "ein" makes it refer to the object colloquially known as
>a Berliner (i.e., a jelly doughnut).

Daniel Gilly writes:
>There's a similar problem for people from Denmark.
>In English, there's a big difference between:
>	"I am Danish" and
>	"I am a danish"

Similar, but not quite the same thing.  After all, "I am a Danish" wouldn't
even be sort-of-correct usage for a person from Denmark, even if there weren't
the pastry problem; "ich bin ein Berliner" at least makes some sense
grammatically, if not idiomatically.

I suggest that it's more like the difference between "I am a Hollander"
and "I am Hollander."

-- 
Tovah Hollander
tovah@panix.com -or- tovah@onion.salad.mssm.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Special Rights for Homosexuals
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:34:31 GMT

In article <Bz9BGn.7us@fig.citib.com>
glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
 
>
>In article <mattm-101292162702@mcmelmon.apple.com>, mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>
>|> You should sleep with anyone who asks you, lest
>|> you be guilty of transgression against their innate right not
>|> to be offended.
>
>The less hissy understand that a simple offer begets
>a simple response; "No Thank You".  There is no need
>to explain why, unless you live in Southern California
>in the 70's.
>
In an ideal world, a simple "No thank you" would end matters right
there. This, alas, is not an ideal world, and sometimes when there
is a pitiful, self-esteem-impaired drunk who is convinced he's yer
man, explaining that there's *no chance* for him but that it's not his
fault is the best approach. Trust me.
Tracey
From: kkenny@gems.vcu.edu (Karen Kenny aka Mel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Alma Gluck and other stuff
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:40:48 -0400
Organization: Medical College of Virginia

In article <1ghjq3INNh89@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>> Well, precious, if you think that trait is limited to me,
>> you haven't hung around queens enough.

I hang around more queens than lesbians, it seems sometimes,
and nowhere did I say that this trait is limited to _you_
or even _queens_.  Heck, I'm incredibly bull-headed on occasion,
as any sapphite can attest to!  Season?  Michelle?  Amelia T?
Sometimes I need to be rapped out of a particular frenzy I've
gotten myself into.
 
> Anyway, believe me, I'm far from the most opinionated, bull-
> headed (whatever)-queen you could ever hope to meet/steer clear 
> of.  Besides, the opinionated, bull-headed (whatever)-queen
> style predates other gay "lifestyles" that are much in evidence 
> in this forum, and I don't intend to shut up.  But I *will* 
> endeavor to keep my personal animus towards some motssers
> under wraps.

Please don't "shut up"!  I am in no way proposing that you
do any such thing.  Believe me, I am prone to letting my
personal aminus towards some sapphites out of its cage
with unfortunately frequent regularity.  It was pointed out
to me that *that* kind of response is so incredibly counter-
productive, something I couldn't see when engaged in trying
to prove my points, by people who _were_ interested in
what I had to say.  

Now if we want to talk about opinionated bull-headed queens,
what has happened to that doll, my good friend LQ?  (I hope
your sense of humor is turned on today, Jake darling!) 8-)

Karen 
+======================================================+
                                         Karen S. Kenny
"Of course, you silly things!"      kkenny@gems.vcu.edu
                                  Medical College of VA                      
                                           Richmond, VA
+======================================================+
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Bryan J. Blumberg <bjb@macsch.com>
Subject: Re: Apology for Misspelled Name
X-Xxdate: Wed, 16 Dec 92 15:02:06 GMT
Organization: Systems Integration Branch
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d13
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 23:03:41 GMT

In article <wood.724512437@jfred> Jim Wood, wood@siemens.com. writes:
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>>In an earlier posting, I said Brian Blumberg; it's Bryan.
>>Sorry.
>
>Don't let it happen again. :-)

Oh, gee.  If it was really that important to me, I guess I would
have said something myself.  But thanks, for noting it, anyway.

========================================
Bryan  J. Blumberg, The MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation
815 Colorado Boulevard, Los Angeles, California  90041-1777
(213) 259-4914, B_BLUMBERG@MACSCH.COM
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Soc.Motss.*
Date: 17 Dec 1992 09:29:58 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1gpj8kINNp1q@alice.cs.purdue.edu> 
berninge@cs.purdue.edu (James Berninger) writes:

> Did I say I read them?  No.  But, in order to determine if a new
> thread is worth my time, I have to at least read the first one (or
> two, or three, whatever). 

No, you don't have to read the first article.  If there isn't 
anything of interest in the first two or three *lines*, then 
kill it and go to the next article.

> Not that every article has
> this kind of chit-chat, but it's there, and seems to cause almost as
> many followups as the stuff that *belongs* here.

Oh?  And just what *does* belong here?  Should I take to adding
one or two lines on politics to each of my postings?  OK, how's
this: yesterday, the LA City Council voted unanimously to boycott 
Colorado.

Arne
From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Top GLB Fiction
Date: 19 Dec 92 17:59:24 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

1. Anything by Dennis Cooper.
2. "Horse Crazy", Gary Indiana (thank you Miss Novak).
3. "Shy", Kevin Killian (again, kudos to Miss Novak).
4. "Port of Saints", William S. Burroughs.
5. "The Indoor Boy", Antony Sher.
6. "Ready to Catch Him Should He Fall", Neil Bartlett.
7. Any of the "Straight to Hell" stuff.  Boyd what's-his-name is 
a true tangent to our Jojo.
8. "Ceremonies", Essex Hemphill.
9. "Blue Heaven", Joe Keenan.
10. "The Tale of Squirrel Nutkin", Beatrix Potter.  (Whaddya expect?)

Not exactly queer, but easy for queers to relate to:

1. Anything by Bukowski.
2. "Fear and Loathing In Las Vegas", Hunter S. Thompson.

And to think that Dr. Thompson is pictured in Rolling Stone with his
arm around JASON PRIESTLEY.
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

"Sex is a filter, and it admits a certain vision."  - William S. Burroughs
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: Maybe a dumb question...
Keywords: marriage legal gay
Organization: insert anything here
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:36:14 GMT

gerkman@binky.csc.wsu.edu (Joseph M. Gerkman) writes:
>This maybe a dumb question, but I checked the FAQ first (and I realize  
>that checking the FAQ first doesn't exempt it from being a dumb question  
>:-) and couldn't find anything that addressed it.  
>
	Hi and welcome - thanks for checking the FAQ first!

>Are there any states where same-sex marriage is legal?  And another  
>question related to it...if there is a state where same-sex marriage is  
>legal, wouldn't other states have to honor a marriage granted in that  
>other state 

	1) No.
	2) Yes.

	:-)

	That's why the court battle going on in Hawaii should be VERY
much in the minds of the GBLO*-community.

	Unlike equal rights, marriage rights under the current
law *could* be overturned in all states with the first one.
I say *could* because these things are always written such that 
whatever we want is always compromised and/or watered down to some
other level.  My suspicon is that if/when we get a state to let
us marry there will be some exception place that doesn't let it
carry to other states... but that is probably some years off still.



BBC
From: stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Aladdin (was Re: Jason and the Argonauts)
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:53:01 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson) dishes:
>
>It's funny: one of my good
>straight friends who I've strongly suspected of having "those"
>tendencies has seen the movie three times already, and is obviously
>infatuated with Aladdin.  He has pictures up and everything.  I just
>sit back and :).
>
Why don't you ask _him_ about Hugo Wolf?
He may have more of "those" tendencies than you realize.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: barbara is wrong
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:15:10 GMT

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>In article <thaaang.724046559@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>>>I just found the image of cruising at the lawn bowling games intriguing. 
>>Nelson? (offers arm) Shall we?

>Sure, sounds good to me. I might be too busy playing to actually
>cruise, though. I rather like lawn bowling.

Dunno; is it anything like lawn darts?

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Kiss me, I'm an aphrodisiac!

		...and may all your Yuletides be trite.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Genetic Homosexuality?
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:09:19 GMT

In article <122@bbx.basis.com>, scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker) writes:
> In article <1992Dec10.221933.29489@penet.fi> an2335@anon.penet.fi writes:
> >
> >  We know that homosexual people have less children than heteros.
> >Then, if homosexuality is genetic, we should expect the proportion of
> >homosexual people decrease generation by generation. This hasn't been
> >observed. Can we then deduce that homosexuality isn't necessarily
> >genetic?
> 
> I don't know why I'm getting involved in this tired discussion, but hey,
> it's Friday.
> 
> This situation is not as simple as you make it out to be.  First of
> all, homosexuals do have children.  Even if there was a single 'gay' gene
> it would have no trouble surviving evolution as long as homosexuals
> have kids.

  I don't think you even need to go to this extent. What this sort
of discussion shows is a profound lack of knowledge about the way
that genetics works. I saw a *real* biologist's (or at least somebody
who knew their stuff) explanation of this the other day on the net.
What he showed is that given recessive genes which produce 100% 
infertility it would take on the order of 1000 generations to 
successfully remove the gene from the gene pool. 
  This of course is based on *many* assumptions, like homosexuals
have *no* children, there is only one gene etc, etc. All of which
will, no doubt, conspire to propagate a "genetic" origin of 
homosexuality in perpetuity.
  This is the reason why genetic diseases like Tay Sacs, Sickle Cell,
Down's Syndrome etc, are still around though they clearly have very
deleterious effects. Homosexuality, which is far more benign would
seemingly have even less evolutionary pressure. 
  Of course, all of this presupposes that there is no evolutionary
advantage to homosexuality. This of course is false. The human race
would cease tomorrow if our choices of tasteful clothing were limited
to the WalMart designers.
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
		PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax)
From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Aladdin
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:44:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <1992Dec15.202931.20490@infonode.ingr.com> norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) writes:
>Actually, I think there's motss content in a lot of his songs from Little
>Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, and now Aladdin.  Does anyone know which
>songs from Aladdin he wrote before he died?

Jeff, the only songs which survived the last minute changes to Al
were the ones mostly sung by Williams (the Genie)... BTW, you can 
get the soundtrack :)

Tom

-- 
| Tom Barrett (TDBear), Sr. Engineer | tom.barrett@amd.com
| AMD PCD / Austin, TX  78741        | v:512-462-6856 / f:512-462-5155
| "No is Yes, and We are All FREE!"  | CO made a #2 no-no... PU!
| My views may not be shared by the organization of origin
From: jbibb@eng.auburn.edu (John S. Bibb)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Norfolk-Hampton VA attractions
Date: 12 Dec 92 18:22:00 GMT
Reply-To: jbibb@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering


Seems as though everyone is going somewhere for X-mas.....I'm no exception.
This year, we (the family) are converging on Hampton-Newport News Virginia.
Since I have not had time to browse the area for fun spots, I was wondering if
anyone out there had any suggestions for bars etc.  The GAY-Yellow pages lists lots
of stuff in Norfolk, but I have no CLUE what they are like (and K-mart is out of
clues this week).
Any suggestions??????

J. Oh god I have to go see the 'rents this week Bibb
From: owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Soc.Motss.*
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:32:16 GMT

In article <BzCy82.C6D@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>, mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
> >I await superior suggestions.
> 
> How about soc.motss.support?  If the intention for the group is that it
> is a place where motssers can go for a "shoulder to lean on" (whether 
> the problem is coming out, relationship issues, whatever), then wouldn't
> "support" be a little clearer?

yes, I like this.

I'd also like to add my support for dumping the *motss* tag.

motss as an acronym was coined so as not to offend the sensibilitys of 
news administrators and other corporate types.
I think its time to come out of the electronic closet and be more visible.
Of course I prefer soc.queer, and understand that there are folks
who have problems with that label, but ther doesn't seem to be another
word that sums it up so neatly.

I agree with Jess that its time to make some changes, if that becomes 
consensus, then lets make those changes serve us well.

LUX ./. owen

--
D. Owen Rowley {uunet,fernwood,sun}!autodesk!owen

  " It will be a cold March 17th that I celebrate the imposition of
	Romes rule, on Pagan Ireland. Erin go ppphhhhhttttttt! "
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Request for repost of "How to..."
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:16:55 GMT

In article <1gnv3mINNl99@finch.doc.ic.ac.uk> kc2@doc.ic.ac.uk (K Campbell) writes:

>In article <1992Dec16.142621.46021@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>,
> dh0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DONALD L. HARDY) writes:
>
>|> Could someone post the "How to tell if your son is gay."
>|> 
>|> I have the lesbian version, but would like the male version.  Thanks!
>
>I'm intruiged, Donald (so much so that I can no longer spell, it seems).
>
>How DO you tell if your son is a lesbian?

Platform shoes.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Subject: Re: A Taste of Culture
Keywords: Gay food
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:21:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.183021.405@cbfsb.cb.att.com> rcrice@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (roger.w.crice) writes:
>So, how about it?  Is there any food that truly represents
>queer couture?  Does anyone have a favorite "dish?"

Is this the most leading question asked in months, or what?

      -paul asente
	   asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

Still later Gerald did a terrible thing to Elsie with a saucepan.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: Re: Bike militancy (was Re: Parking)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 20:55:15 GMT

In article <mattm-111292104211@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>I had the delightful experience of bagging some ass-a-holic-pudless-
>fuck-on-a-bike at a Stanford intersection.  *I* stopped at the
>four-way stop.  *I* proceeded into the intersection.  *He* did
>*not* stop at the four-way stop.  He did not make it to the other 
>side of the intersection...
>
>*I* thought that was just grand (another dent on my old Volvo
>hardly shows...).
>

Well, I wasn't going to say it, but I had that experience, as well.  I
can't say it was delightful, though, as it scared me shitless and kept
my heartrate up for 2 days.  

Some idiot on a bike made a left turn from the other lane *right * in
* front * of * my * moving * car *.  His bike leapt up and hit my hood
(which dented and scratched my car pretty badly) and he hit my
windshield, then bounced onto the pavement (watching people bounce is
not fun).  By some stroke of luck, he was completely fine.  No
concussion or anything.  Luckily I was only going about 15 mph at the
time, or he would have been toast.  When I got out of the car, he was
sitting on the ground saying "That was soooo stupid."  I wanted to
slap him and say "Your fucking right it was, you dork!"

>The cyclists at Stanford are worse than the worst stories I have
>heard about New York drivers.  Not *only* are cars beneath their
>notice - but so too are pedestrians.  I *hate* walking around
>the Stanford campus.  To do so at night is pure foolishness.
>And the advent of Roller Blades only makes it worse.
>

Yep, the bikers here are definitely beyond belief.  My bike got stolen
freshman year, and I never replaced it because it was just dangerous
to ride.  Walking's not *so* bad, but I still have been hit by bikers
while I was on foot.  

My roommate got a ticket the other day for running a stopsign on his
bike.  I sympathized with him, but I was secretly glad.  :)

>*X*

--scoT

-- 
 ______  | Scot N. Gibson  | "At times, indeed, almost ridiculous-- |
 \    /  | Stanford Univ.  |  Almost, at times, the Fool."          |
  \  /   +-----------------+-------------+             - T.S. Eliot |
   \/    | prufrock@leland.stanford.edu  |--------------------------+
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Cramer spoiling the party
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:51:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec15.225133.1257
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Dec15.222340.5104@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>[suggestion to ignore Cramer, with which I heartily agree]
>> Has it been tried before?  (spot the relative newcomer)
>Well, it's been *proposed* before, often. I don't know that it's ever
>really been "tried". It's hard to tell, because it only takes one
>mistake to ruin everyone else's attempt...

This was from August 1 1991:

The Dyer's Tale

Prologue:

Please do not run away or fall asleep:
The Claymer does not speak for all his kind.
Indeed, had we thought not to write a peep
and sit on hands instead, we would not mind
this temporary onslaught; rather we would find
that peace arrives quite swiftly.  To that blind
malfeasant every queer's a threat,
and every kind is bad unless it's het.

Max spun her poet lariat and she seized
our faltering attention, as she pleased
to tell a story of socmotss but versed
by way of Chaucer, and with iambs she immersed
us in that ancient metric. So engaged,
we stopped our fighting; read instead of raged.
I would have cried--to read it was so good
except that those around me thought it rude.

So please: enough of Clayton Cramer and his pals!
I think we all have better things to do.
What's more, we all have stories, guys and gals,
which better could be shared among us.  Too,
we want some succor now that hell is done.
Perhaps a poem of epic length in rhyme
will undo prose of hurt and spite.  It's time
we took our newsgroup back; seize what we've won.
 
And having said all this, I had to think
What suitable event to set to verse.
A shared experience, perhaps, a drink
from common cup, what better means to nurse
the newsgroup back to warmer, earlier themes.
Toronto's con was held in high esteem.
Now every word of bigotry and hate
shall be drowned out as rhymes accumulate.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer