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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: (yet) another idea for the future...
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:33:41 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:

>Somthing I'd find quite useful for GEOS would be some sort of variant on the
>idea of the 'nice' command in UNIX... ie: the ability to set a task going so
>that it takes up almost no processor cycles, except when the computer is
>otherwise idle.... I've got an interest in fractals and ray-tracing, and the
>like, which can be very time intensive.  I'd like to be able to set them
>running in the background, but with zilch CPU time so that when I went off to
>lunch, or got caught on the phone, or whatever, they could get on with
>things.... (kinda like a screen saver, but doing somthing useful :-) )

>I realise that GEOS currently has the ability to run processes at different
>priorities (ie the UI thread in a program having much higher priority than the
>rest ) but I would like some simple user interaction in this..... I might not
>always want to run it with minimal timeslice, and I probably wouldn't want the
>UI thread to slow down (ie clicking on it should still respond quickly.....)

Sounds like a Good Thing to me.... there are a few GeoPrograms (bounce and
3-d font demo, for 2) which take _all_ the available CPU, and I really wish
they wouldn't. :)

As to how it should be implemented, hmm.  I can see two ways of going about
it...

1) have a set of priority slide-bars somewhere in the Preferences application,
so that users could set things to run the way they wanted, and then leave them
that way until they wanted them to change...

or

2) use (i'm sure there's a mathematical name for it) the bowling-pin triangle,
where each row has 1 more pin than the one before it... say you had 5 apps
running on a 16mHz box - the app you prioritized highest would get 5mHz worth
of timeslices for its own, the next would get 4, the next would get 3, the next
would get 2, the next would get one.  Each app would have a little widget of
some sort to move it up or down in priority (swapping it with whichever one is
there).  And yes, I know there's 1mHz worth of timeslices left over, bottle
them up and sell them to a Windoze user.

-Shag (too early in the morning for this business of thinking)
 
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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Printers (was Re: How do you use GEOS?...)
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:53:02 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

fadickey@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Fred A Dickey) writes:

>Despite the fact that I have a DMP 130 printer connected that
>takes almost an hour to do a really neat page that looks like it came out
>of Kinko's, a lot of people do their papers in Geowrite on my system.

(I hope you're getting some money for this. ;)

Out of curiosity, what would people on this group recommend as the _best_
printer to use with GEOS?  That is to say, which printer/GEOdriver combos
give the best performance?

-Shag

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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: How do you use GEOS? How would you like to use v2?
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:20:19 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

ted@helios.UCSC.EDU (Ted Cantrall) writes:

>I've read this thread with great interest, but I have the sad feeling that,
>with the release of 2.0 in 3 months or so (not very much time to include a
>new, complex feature), many of you will be disappointed that your favorite
>wish list item was not included. 

Heck, I wouldn't _think_ of asking GeoWorks themselves to include an X-windows
application in the stock release of 2.0.  That'd be ridiculous.  I think a lot
of the things I (and others) want would come from third-party vendors.  Many
of them (X included) probably won't be available initially, as the third-party
folks will probably focus on more predictable money-making markets - standard
business applications, games, et cetera.  TCP/IP and X toys are "niche" apps,
which is why there are so damn few of them... Hmm, I'll have to drop mail to
my friends at FTP Software and ask whether they're planning support.  I _like_
companies with e-mail addresses. ;)

-Shag

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From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Re: Launching DOS program
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:39:30 GMT

In article <BzBoA5.9yq@DMI.USherb.CA> saucc00@DMI.USherb.CA (Dudy) writes:
>Hello all,
>
>I'm trying to do something (up to now without success) that maybe one
>of you has ever done.
>
>I wanna be able to launch my unzip program by clicking on a zip file icon.

Check out the file ZIPDIR.FM in Simtel's GEOWORKS directory.  It
explains how to set up GEOS.INI to do something similar.  You can get
it by anonymous ftp from wuarchive.wustl.edu in
/mirrors/msdos/geoworks.

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From: rcarter@nic.ddn.mil (Page Carter)
Subject: Subscribe
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:36:00 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Developing (was re: new apps)
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:55:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) writes:

>You have to remember that it can take some people awhile to really get in
>the groove of developing in a truly object oriented manner.  It's hard for
>some to unlearn the years of habits/intuitions/etc. that they have worked
>so hard to gain through experience developing for traditional systems.

>I just wanted to make it clear to everyone that integrity is a very
>important thing at GeoWorks.  It makes no (business, let alone moral and/or
>ethical) sense to withold information.  For the system to thrive, great
>application's/libraries/etc. must come from many people (there are many
>many reasons for this).  

And then there are those of us who have been playing and running Internet
MUD games for three years and literally _think_ (offline too) in object
oriented terms... but of course we're all randoms and college kids that
can't afford the hardware or software required for development.  Verily I
say unto you, "Foo."

Oh, out of curiosity, is there an actual _price_ on the SDK, or do you get
it for free when you buy the documentation? (usually you buy the program
and get the docs for free, but this is object-oriented, so we do it the
other way around. ;)

Also, has the price on the documentation ($200 last I heard) dropped any?
GeoWorks seems to introduce products priced at $200 and let the price fall
over a period of time, and now that Pro's selling for a little over $100, I
was hoping the SDK might be a little cheaper.

Lastly, what are the requirements for single-machine development (i.e.
_without_ the SWAT debugger in use)?  Is a '386 required for the developing
machine whether you're running SWAT or not?  Will a '386SX do?  (I've seen
some good prices on a '386-33 motherboard and am thinking of upgrading my
'286 if I earn any decent money soon.)  Just how crippled would I be without
SWAT?

-Shag
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From: fadickey@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Fred A Dickey)
Subject: Re: How do you use GEOS?  How would you like to use v2?
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:45:01 GMT

I use GEOComm alot for logging into a UNIX machine where I read this
group, and keep up with email corrospondence with other people involved in
a local educational project (OPUP).  GEOComm is my main window to
internet.  Sometimes I use telix, and I use telix to access to local BBS's
in color ansi.  

The other main thing I use GEOS for is launching DOS games.  Most likely,
if any of the games I already have come out for GEOS, I probably won't buy
them, but if a lot of game companies start coding for GEOS, I'll buy most
of my new games for GEOS.  I have three housemates of different computer
expertese and none of them have any problems using GEOS on my PC.  No one
has read any manuals or online help, and no ones had any problems using
the UI yet.

I hope for TCP/IP for 2.0  I also hope for an ever increasing amount of
third party support.  I've dumped WordPerfect for Geowrite and if Geocomm
ever supports color ANSI and keeps a phone directory like TELIX does, I'll
dump TELIX.  I'm planning on dumping Quattro as soon as 2.0 comes out if
it really does have a spread sheet included.

,^MrSpock^

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From: kilpatds@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Hawke)
Subject: Re: How do you use GEOS? How would you like to use v2?
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:08:21 GMT

dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor) writes:


>Let's start a new thread.  I'd like to talk about how we all use GEOS
>currently and how we'd like to use GEOS once v2.0 comes out.  I'll
>start.

I don't use GeoComm for much of anything...the graphic screen can't
really keep up with the modem...and the well known bugs with vt100

I write all reports in GeoWrite, use GeoDraw for most of my DTP
type stuff.

Use dos EDIT instead of Notepad...the length notepad allows is way too
short.

I use GeoManager a good bit...though any major file management is done
at the command line...I like wildcards too much

I have a recipie book in Scrapbook...finally found a use for it..:)

I couldn't survive without GeoPlanner...at least for the first few weeks
of each semester...

Primarilly, I use GeoWorks as a shell...DRDOS and taskmax.  Do most work
in dos, switching as necessary... Write reports and such in GEOS.

What do I want for v2.0? ... better DTP type stuff in either draw or write
a fixed geocom, and someone's apps...spreadsheet would be nice.
also, don't make the notepad non-proportional text...and allow it to
read normal sized files... and of course the standard wish list...:)

Hawke
Doug Kilpatrick
kilpatds@craft.camp.clarkson.edu
From: gnd@idaho.amdahl.com (Greg Darnell)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: What type memory for best performance?
Date: 10 Dec 92 16:14:41 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corp., Rexburg, ID

I just upgraded my PC to a 386SX/16 with 4MB of RAM (yes, I buy
trailing edge hardware and leading edge software for home use) and
now have some new choices as to memory use.  There is enough flexibility
in the setup, maybe too much, so that I can use most of the extra as
expanded (LIM EMS), XMS/HIMEM.SYS, or extended (above 1MB), just as the
options in GEOS' preferences are listed.

My question is, which of these will give the best performance?  It seems
to me that extended memory would allow the fastest access on a 386 since
it should be directly addressable (?), while XMS, which needs a driver
to use, would be slower by virtue of having to use that driver.  I'm not
even sure if LIM EMS uses a driver; I guess not, since my config.sys
doesn't have one and I do have some LIM memory available.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to allocate this memory for optimal
performance?  Would it be different for a '286 machine?  Any suggestions
would be appreciated.

Greg
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From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Geo Rulers (Re: 2.0 wish list)
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:27:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.200122.62082@cc.usu.edu> slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer) writes:
>     Rulers in GeoDraw.  I'm not particularly talented artistically,
>but I use MacDraw at work to good effect because of the rulers.  I can
>put things exactly where I want them, and make them exactly the size I
>need.  Rulers in Geodraw would make my home stuff easier.

I don't know whether this is what you want, but the GEOWORKS directory
in the Simtel archives has a number of GEOS drawing tools.  Basically,
someone with a lot of time and patience crafted some rulers and
protractors and saved them in GeoDraw format.  The files are:
DRAWHELP.ZIP, PAGEGRID.ZIP, and RULERS.ZIP.  Two places you can get
them by anonymous ftp are wuarchive.wustl.edu (in
/mirrors/msdos/geoworks) and oak.oakland.edu (in ... umm ...
/pub/msdos/geoworks ... I think).


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From: fadickey@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Fred A Dickey)
Subject: Geocomm and stty cols
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:00:29 GMT


I think I found a small bug in GeoComm.  The maximuim number of columns
that I seem to be able to set is 80.  I wanted to view some 132 column
ascii pics on my unix account.  I thought if I enlarged the window and
increased the number of columns to 132.....but it won't let me go past 80.
I have SVGA....I hope the 2.0 version has this small bug fix too.  If not,
it's not too important of a thing and I can always wait for an xterm *evil
grin*

,^MrSpock^
From: ebu@snakemail.hut.fi (Erik Bunn)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: PS printer on file?
Date: 20 Dec 92 10:39:24 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: comp
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I just had a chance to play around with GEOS for a bit. Looks snd
feels nice, but I wasn't able to set a printer on a file.
If I were to use GEOS at home, this would be necessary.

Could someone please point me to an FAQ (I'm sure this has been
handled..=) or an ftp site? Or is it possible at all?

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: cyj9h@csissun12.ee.Virginia.EDU (Charles Y. Choi)
Subject: Re: Ideas for apps
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:22:06 GMT

In article <1gdk5qINNbdp@mozz.unh.edu> rgt@bofur.unh.edu (Richard G Tomasso) writes:
>Someone asked for ideas for geos apps...
>
>A feature for GeoWrite: Joining lines into a single paragraph. Running through
>a file and deleteing to join is a pain. This would be very useful when
>importing text files.
>
>Either a stream editor or file-joiner. I think someone mentionned this already.
>
   I written some c code that will do this.  If anyone's interested, I
can post the source and executable to this newsgroup.  Not to cut on
GeoWrite too badly, for the task of editing with what I'm comfortable
with and then importing text into GeoWrite for nicely formatted output,
I find this utility to be indispensable (though hopefully obsolete
in 2.0)

-charles




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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: fadickey@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Fred A Dickey)
Subject: Re: Printers (was Re: How do you use GEOS?...)
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 08:05:43 GMT

Shag (birchall@pilot.njin.net) wrote:
: fadickey@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Fred A Dickey) writes:
: 
: >Despite the fact that I have a DMP 130 printer connected that
: >takes almost an hour to do a really neat page that looks like it came out
: >of Kinko's, a lot of people do their papers in Geowrite on my system.
: 
: (I hope you're getting some money for this. ;)
: 
Money?!?!? Huh? What? :-)  Nah...maybe that's why my friends keep using
system for papers. :-)

: Out of curiosity, what would people on this group recommend as the _best_
: printer to use with GEOS?  That is to say, which printer/GEOdriver combos
: give the best performance?
: 
: -Shag
: 
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From: fritzson@VFL.Paramax.COM
Subject: finding icons and names
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:35:57 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us



I have been playing around with the l_maker program to allow myself to
launch DOS application while in the regular (advanced) GEOS space
instead of in the DOS space. Everything works fine and I can assign
any icon I want, from the set of icons I picked up via ftp. 

However, I would really like to use some of the icons that GEOS
provides for me to use when creating buttons in the DOS application
space. 

Does anyone know whether this is possible and how I go about finding
the name and number of these icons?

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From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: new geos apps
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:53:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.021916.9337@crash> johnlee@crash.cts.com (John Wiley)
writes:
[...]
>Speaking of which, there was a suggestion here long ago that the SDK docs
>be made available in electronic format to foster shareware development.
>Has there been an announcement in that regard?

I passed the request on to the appropriate people for consideration and
nothing has come back (though I'm not suprised since it's (obviously?) a
lower priority item then say getting the tools working well :-).

John
johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

P.S.	Me (obviously) biased as employee of GeoWorks.  GeoWorks speaks
	for itself.

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From: James Seay <JESEAY01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject: True Type Fonts
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:37:11 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

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Phone: 588-6522
Is there any way True Type fonts can be used in Geoworks ( either as is, or by
use of a font conversion program)?

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From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Developing (hardware requirements)
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:43:51 GMT

In article <Dec.11.19.14.58.1992.16533@pilot.njin.net> birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
>johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) writes:
[...]
>Hmmm.  An awful lot of people seem to have it for something that's not
>shipping... Do you mean to say it's in beta?  If so, does that mean the OS
>itself is in beta (or at least alpha?)?

I believe that all of the people that you are implying ar using the Sparc
based tools (e.g., the folks who produced the packages available from
Certified Software).  I can state (because it's public information :-) that
SDK BETA is "slated for early 1993".

[...]
>How about this:
>
>Host:
>	33 MHz 386SX (not Intel), VGA-greyscale (from current '286), 4 MB
>	RAM (from current '286), 80 MB hard disk (from current '286),
>	mouse (from current '286).

I thought that the Am-386 (40 Mhz) was available on really inexpensive
motherboards?  I haven't shopped this stuff so I don't know details (I do
know that the 386 market is going to continue dropping in price since
Intel needs to continue driving the market as hard as it can to the i486 so
that they can make lots of money before the cloners really get going in
that lucrative market (that's why I'm personally waiting for the Pentium's
to start shipping in quantity)).  The party line on host RAM is "6 to 8
MB".

>Target:
>	16 MHz '286 (current motherboard), 1MB or 2MB RAM, 10+ MB hard disk,
>	Mouse, 14.4kbps Modem (from current '286), cheap video.

Sounds reasonable.

Go wild,
	John
	johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

P.S.	@include <Disclaimers/employee>	/* GeoWorks speaks foritself..	*/


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From: "Lee A. Mohon" <lam4@Ra.MsState.Edu>
Subject: Re: Re: Re: future of geoworks
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:40:10 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

John
 Exactly how big is Geos in terms of personel (and any other pertinent
data).  Having made the great leap of faith (rare for me) to actually buy
the program, I feel like I'm a supporter and kinda would like to know a
little more about.  Rough guesses will do. Thanks, 
Lee Mohon.


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Subject: Subscribe
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