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From: fee@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: sys_RPL EVAL??? and DEBUGer ???
Date: 6 Nov 92 08:56:39 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <MHEISKAN.92Nov5011224@lk-hp-21.hut.fi>, mheiskan@snakemail.hut.fi (Mika Heiskanen) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Nov5.093538.11956@waikato.ac.nz> fee@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>>What is the sys_RPL command that will evaluate an object on the stack?
>>eg: given a secondary which has been pulled out of a list of other
>>secondaries, what command actually evaluates the secondary?
> 
>>I want:
>>                1:{<< "success" >>} ---> 1:<< "success" >>
> 
>>then:		
>>		1:<< "success" >> --->  1: "success"
> 
>>but I can only get to the left-hand expression on the second line 
>>using sys_RPL.
> 
[stuff deleted]
> 
> Thus use COMPEVAL for the list.
>              
> --> mheiskan@vipunen.hut.fi

Thanks Mika. However I tried your solution but to no avail. COMPEVAL
appears to work in exactly the same way as (user) EVAL but it seems
for my problem, that it has to be executed twice. I wrote a sys_RPL routine 
containing only COMPEVAL in it to try this.

There is a catch. If I try COMPEVAL on a secondary or a secondary enclosed
in a list all of which was written from the keyboard - no problem. COMPEVAL
evaluates the secondary in one step.

However, the original secondary needs two COMPEVAL's to evaluate it, with
the first COMPEVAL apparently thinking for a bit and leaving the stack (at
least the display) unchanged. A second COMPEVAL will evaluate the secondary.

My secondary was created in the sys_RPL routine by adding strings
together (including the << and >> symbols) and then "palparse"'d to create
the secondary and then place it in a list. If I do an OBJ-> then DROP the
flag, the secondary still requires two COMPEVALs or EVALs. However, doing
a TYPE on the secondary immediately after the OB-> DROP returns an 8,
signifying that it is a secondary. Why does it require two COMPEVALs then?
It seems almost as if the object has to go through some kind of operation
at least once before it can be evaluated. Has it got some kind of weird
garbage attached that the HP is removing the first time around?

[By the way, if I include two COMPEVALs in a sys_RPL routine - the HP doesn't
like it. The stack is cleared and I am returned to the MTH menu, almost 
like a warm start, but without reattaching the libraries. So two COMPEVALs
isn't the answer - it needs two single COMPEVAL operations.]

Still confused.
Conan.
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From: finocchiaroj@merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Looking for some good programs
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:09:18 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA

I am look for any programs that any one has to use with the HPSX if they are 
any good then maybe you call mail me some. Games, Math Programs,ect.
From: ap@dde.dk (Allan Petersen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Serial cable kit description
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:26:45 GMT
Organization: Dansk Data Elektronik A/S


This is the describtion that comes with the $3 Serial cable kit
(distributed by Joel Kolstad, kolstad@cae.wisc.edu) as advertised 
the other day here on c.s.hp48:

-----------------------------------------------------------

CABLE KIT for HP48S, HP48SX and HP95LX:

Using  the cable  is  described in  the manual for  HP48SX  in 
chapter 33, "Transferring Data to and from the HP48."

The pin connections are described in several places,  e.g.  in
The  HP48  Handbook by James Donnelly,  in several articles on
c.s.hp48 and in the FAQ file sometimes posted on c.s.hp48.


>From the recent FAQ:

30. What are the pinouts for the HP 48SX serial connector?

Looking  at  the pins of the HP 48SX (the following diagram is
showing the pins  on  the  HP  48SX,  as  you  look  *AT*  the
calculator):
                 _________
                | o o o o |
                 \_______/
                  ^ ^ ^ ^
                  | | | \------ 4 Signal GND
                  | | \-------- 3 RX (input to the HP 48SX)
                  | \---------- 2 TX (output from the HP 48SX)
                  \------------ 1 SHIELD

Stated another way:

HP48SX                             IBM 9 PIN          IBM 25
(From the outside
edge -> inward)
SHIELD--------Yellow-or-Grey-------SHIELD (1)-------- SHIELD (1)
TX (Output)---Orange-or-Violet---->2 RX (Input)------>3 RX (Input)
RX (Input)<---Red----or-Blue-------3 TX (Output)------2 TX (Output)
SGND----------Brown--or-Green------5 GND--------------7 GND
                                   4 DTR---!          5 CTS--!
              ^                    6 DSR---!          6 DSR--!
              Colour code          8 CTS---!         20 DTR--!
              on cable kit

The  cables  comes  with  one  of the indicated colour codings
(brown,red, orange,yellow or green,blue,violet,grey).

On the 9 pin connector you may have to wire pin 4,  6,  and  8
together  and  on  the  25  pin connector you may have to wire
together pin  5,  6,  and  20.  This  is  required  with  some
computers (to have CTS and DSR active),  but it may not always
be required.

The other day I had the chance to try a new cable on  a  brand
new 48SX.  It worked fine, but I had to press the connector in
place with the tip of  a  screwdriver  until  a  slight  click
announced  that  it was correctly seated.  I never experienced
that  with my  own  old 48SX.  I better  mention it  here,  or
somebody might think the cable isn't working reliably :-).  It
really *is* important to press  the  cable  firmly  in  place,
until  the  cable has been used some times.  I have now used a
cable like this for more than half a year,  and it has  always
worked fine.

Enjoy  your new cable and all the useful software to which you
can   now   have   access.   Long   live   comp.sys.hp48   and
comp.sources.hp48...
                    ...and hp-mail-server@seq.uncwil.edu   :-)

Allan Petersen
ap@dde.dk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: ITB675NURSER@qut.EDU.AU (ITB675NURSER@qut.edu.au, Unix to Unix copy program...You will never find the more wretched hide of scum and villany...we must be cautious.)
Subject: RE:RE:RE: SingleD
Organization: UNCW news/mail gateway service
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:45:00 GMT

oops, please disregard that last message...I'm not much of
a VAX head, and stuffed it up. ;)


>yeah, 'jump' would be cool. i really like the way it scrolls to the
>next screen (you have to kill both guys twice, right?)

No...Just have to kill 4 men in total.


>>to the final version (mostly so I can impress people with it - I'm 
>>not much of a fan of `kill-'em' games)
>...ohhh...don't like kill-em games...That's is why I have a bit of
>variety (helicopter & car) to keep people like you interested ;).

>nah, i'm a puzzle fiend :-) have you ever seen Brainbender? i have
>it for my Gameboy, and i'm thinking about doing it for the 48..
>eventually. i just got mine, and i'm not too terribly familiar
>with ML yet.
No, I haven't played with a gameboy as yet...no, I'm not too familiar
with ML either, but I can hold my own in SCHIP assembly. ;)


>another thing you should consider is making the game startup
>easier: << INTRO ST1 sCHIP >> or somesuch. 

See next posting for SingleDragon USER-RPL stuff


Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: ins534z@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: (up/dn)MATCH Q's...
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:21:11 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.

apj6796@tamsun.tamu.edu (Albert Paul Jimenez III      ) writes:


>1) documentation on the MATCH cmds is sadly lacking... there's what 1 & 1/2 pages and they do one simple example... 

I agree.  But there's really not much more that could be said.  (up)MATCH
and (down)MATCH aren't really suited to that sort of thing, though they
do work.

>2) undocumented feature: as well as using & as a single wildcard, &1, &2, etc can also be used... helps to do more comples pattern matching

Well, it's not undocumented in the old manual.  &U and &V keep popping up
in the examples.

>3) anyone got any more documentation on this thing? 
>   hopefully including a way to specify which occurance to substitute in for
>   (# of possible subs is on lvl 1 after the MATCH cmd) so i can do simple communative swapping on say, just the 2nd _AND_ in '(A AND B) OR (C AND D)' instead of haveing to swap the whole thing with << { '&1 AND &2' '&2 AND &1' } ?MATCH DROP >>

The list can have two or three elements.  If it has two, you get exactly
what you've been doing all along.  Every occurrence gets replaced (well,
not *EVERY*, but you know what I mean).  If there are three elements in the
list, then the third one is evaluated and the replacement ONLY goes ahead
if that evaluation turns out to be nonzero.  To only replace the second in
your example, do
\<<
    { '&1 AND &2' '&2 AND &1' '&1==C' }
    (up)MATCH  @ (say)
    DROP
\>>

(come to think of it, that won't work due to the symbolic nature of 'C',
but you get the idea.)

The RULES menu does this by operating on a string containing the algebraic,
I'm led to believe.  It formats it for the EquationWriter, but all it
is is a string.  Consult an expert on this.  I'm not.

This is all in the manual, isn't it?  Or isn't it in the new manual?

Tim Pickett.
From: ap@dde.dk (Allan Petersen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: For sale: $3 Serial cable kit
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:46:26 GMT
Organization: Dansk Data Elektronik A/S


Now the FINAL  "Cheap do-it-yourself serial cable kit:"
                --------------------------------------

I've now found a commercial 4 pin connector with a 2 mm pin
spacing suitable for  the serial port on a HP48S, HP48SX or
HP95LX.

It's an AMP connector type 173977-4.  However, it uses  IDC
(Insulation Displacement Connection)  termination  and will
thus require a special hand tool to attach a cable.

I was able to borrow this hand tool, so I bought a  bag  of
connectors to make some cables.  I will now offer these for
sale to people on the net.

Shipping all the cables individually to the States  (were I
assume the main number  of buyers are anyway) doesn't sound
very  efficient to me, so now  Joel Kolstad  has agreed  to
distribute the cables "locally", and I've  shipped a box of
cables to him. The cables should then be available soon.

The serial cable kit consists of a connector attached to  a
short (6 to 7 inches) length of (flat) cable. The other end
of the cable is unterminated to  enable  you  to  attach  a
suitable  DB25/DB9/other  connector or extend the cable  at
your own choise.  The cable comes with instructions on  how
to wire the DB25/DB9 connector.

The price will be US$ 3.00 for each cable.

Ordering instructions:    Send your order, a Self Addressed
                          Stamped  Envelope, and  $US  3.00
                          (for each cable) to:

                          Joel Kolstad   
                          Room 1310 ERB
                          1500 W. Johnson Dr.
                          Madison, WI 53706
                          USA

Joel will then mail the  cable(s)  and  the instructions to
you (he promised :-)).  He also  promised to post a message
on the net in case he runs out of cables.....

Anyway, if you  have any  questions,  you can reach Joel by
email:   kolstad@cae.wisc.edu

As soon as  I've completed  writing the  instructions, I'll
also post 'em on the net.

Allan Petersen,   ap@dde.dk
From: sgiblab!scrc.umanitoba.ca!grdetil (Gilles Detillieux)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.concurrent
Subject: Re: Imake & xmkmf for Concurrent series 8000 wanted
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 22:00:05 GMT
Organization: ncurrent-request

In article <811@usomsd.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> uucp@usomsd.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (uucp  
administrative login) writes:
> The Concurrent 8400 I'm working on right now has X Windows installed, but
> no imake, makedepend and xmkmf, which are required when compiling most X  
apps.
> 
> If you have access to ports of these programs for the RTU environment,
> please be so kind to mail these to me at:
> 
> vincenth@dak.et.tudelft.nl

I've considered porting imake to our Concurrent 7100, but I don't have the
time to attempt it right now.  For the time being, I run imake on another
machine and edit the Makefile as appropriate for RTU.  If I do get around
to porting imake, I'll post a message here and make the port available.

In the meantime, if anyone beats me too it, please let me know.

On a related matter, does anyone know what release of X is included in
SP-X11?  It's obviously not a full X11R4 release, due to several missing
pieces (imake, libXext.a, several header files) and due to some older
clients (e.g. xpr).  However, my understanding was that xdm, which is
included, only came out in X11R4.  I get the impression that SP-X11 is
a bizarre hybrid of some R4 code with mostly older code.  You'd think that
at the prices Concurrent is charging for their software, they'd at least
make an attempt to keep up with the times, instead of letting their customers
go scrounging around for important programs that they never bothered to port
themselves.

Ditto for their brain-dead NFS implementation.  (Disenchanted with Concurrent?
Who?  Me?  Absolutely!)

--
Gilles Detillieux                       <Gilles@scrc.UManitoba.CA>
Spinal Cord Research Centre             or <grdetil@gilles.scrc.UManitoba.CA>
Dept. of Physiology, U. of Manitoba     Phone:  (204)788-6766
Winnipeg, MB  R3E 0W3  (Canada)         Fax:    (204)786-0932
From: fadickey@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Fred A Dickey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
Subject: Re: UPGRADE: Possible?
Date: 9 Nov 92 12:33:32 GMT
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

11dmcvay@gallua.gallaudet.edu wrote:
: HELP!
: 
: I would like to know what the chances are of my being able to purchase
: a 386sx motherboard, or even a 486sx and having it fit in with my
: tandy 1000sx case. 
: 
: Or even better, would my CM-11 RGB High Resolution color monitor work
: on any motherboard I purchase, or am I simply SCREWED?
: 
: Thanks,
: 
: EMAILS would be appreciated.
: 
: 


As a follow up to the first response to this post, I would like to add,
that if you're looking for multi-tasking, you can do it with your current
system at a decent speed.  Try PC/GEOS...aka Geoworks Ensemble.  It's a
windows alternative that requries at least an 8088, 512K RAM, CGA or
higher..though CGA will be monochrome due to lo rez...and a Hard disk with
at least 4 megs free....I'd have 6 megs free to be safe.  It doesn't run
windows and won't multi-task DOS programs, but it does come bundled with
several applications that are much better than what comes with Windows
(ie. you don't pay a lot extra to get decent apps)...and soon, 2.0  of
GEOS will be out along with a whole slew of third party apps....this is a
multi-threaded, pre-emptive object oriented multitasking GUI environment.

It has very tight coding (unlike some GUI's) and takes your computer and
makes it do things you'd never think it could dream of doing.  Ask around
at software shops for it...try Sears...there's a $9.90 demo available too.
Ask in comp.os.msdos.geos if you have more queations about it.

Sorry about the "almost commercial" here, but I'm a very happy and
satisfied customer of GEOS and this guy sounds like he's looking for a
boost in computer power without forking out too much $'s.  Also, GEOS will
scream on a 386 once you do get one.

,^MrSpock^
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
From: gpang@uva386.schools.virginia.edu (George S. Pang)
Subject: Re: Tandy 1800HD memory upgrade question
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Charlottesville)
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 02:48:57 GMT

In a word... YES... The memory on most of the laptops,
portables and notebooks is a little different from that in a
normal machine... Low power requirements for one thing... You
can trust Tandy that if one of their products would do the job
of another one, they would just sell that one... Since we sell
both the 1800hd upgrade kit, AND SIMMs (normal ones) The
upgrade kit is definitely DIFFERENT. The memory is probably
smaller as well... Incidentally, the 1800HD is a great
machine... ESPECIALLY at the closeout price...

	George Pang - Ch'ville Fashion Square Radio Shack
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
From: leonard@coyote.datalog.com (Leonard Lorden)
Subject: Re: TRS-80 Mod 4 hard disk malfunction - need replcement
Organization: Datalog Consulting, Tucson, AZ
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 04:22:54 GMT

scott_silverstein@yccatsmtp.ycc.yale.edu (Scot Silverstein MD) writes:

> I have a 5-meg RS hard disk unit I use with a Model 4. Recently CP/M
> wouldn't boot anymore.  I have obtained the Mod 4 diagnostics and
> the hard disk utility tells me cylinder 0 has become unreliable. 
> Even after reformatiing, there are read errors, especially after the
> unit has become warm after an hour or so.
> 
> I'd really like to preserve this relic.  Does anyone have replacement
> 5 meg bare hard drives?  Or 10 meg half-heights that can be put in?
> I have the tech manual, so I'm OK in that department.
> 
> Thanks to any and all who reply.
> 
> -- SS
Roy Beck has a long history of repairing/selling Tandy hard drives.  I 
suggest you contact him.  He may have replacment parts, as well as tips.
You can reach him at (213) 664-5056 (after 6pm PST).  His mailing address is 
2153 Cedarhurst Dr, Los Angeles, CA 90027.
  Be sure to tell him I referred you!
                          Leonard Lorden
From: pv9955@albnyvms.bitnet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
Subject: Re: Soundblaster and IDE drives
Date: 10 Nov 92 06:01:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: sarah.1992Nov10.060120.7967
Reply-To: pv9955@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany

I am not 100% positive about what I am about to say, but read on anyway...
I know that earlier Tandy computers were not PC compatible.  But the newer
ones are much better.  I do not know if they are 100% compatible, but they
are certainly more compatible that their predecessors.
The 386/sx 25 in question sounds like the 2500RSX or the 1000RSX.  These
computers have standard ISA slots, so an interface card and harddrive
should work.  Of course Tandy would recommend that you buy the parts from
them, but they would be stupid if they forced it upon you (don't put
anything past them).
I have recently started working at Radio Shack, and I suggested to some
customers that they buy a new interface card and IDE hard drive.
I do not know how many did this, but I have not heard any responses, good
or bad.  (How many salesmen do YOU know that would turn down a sale and 
suggest that a customer buy mail order?  I did.  I also own a computer that
I bought mail order.)

I just realized that this posting does not say anything relevant.  I am sorry.
What I would like to say is this:
if you want to buy a non-Tandy hard drive, make sure the vendor you buy from
has a good return policy, in case it does not work.
(Sorry, NO vendor is as accepting as Radio Shack when it comes to returns)
I realize that Tandy overcharges for everything (that's why I am not doing
so well as a salesman).  But I have also realized that their hard drives are
some of the faster ones on the market, having something to do with the 
local bus interface.
I own two 486sx25 computers.  One is a Gateway with a 120 MB Western 
Digital hard drive, and the other is a Standard with the Maxtor 130 Mb
drive.  According to Norton Utilities 6.01, the Tandy 120MB drive is
faster than both of mine.

If anybody does have any experience with non-Tandy hard drives, please let
me know.  I always try and suggest the best for my customers, even if it
means I lose the sale.
(I am too damn honest to be a salesman!  Especially at Radio Shack).

Sincerely,
Peter
From: jim@rwsys.lonestar.org (James T. Wyatt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
Subject: Re: Soundblaster and IDE drives
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:20:09 GMT
Organization: R/W Systems, Richland Hills, Texas, USA, 76118-5849

In article <1992Nov9.154202.4431@relay.nswc.navy.mil> whiles@nswc.navy.mil writes:
>I am having trouble installing a Soundblaster Pro in a Tandy 386/SX 25.  Has
>anyone else had problems with adding the Soundblaster to their computer?
>When installed, the software cannot locate the card.

It would *really* help if you tell us what your settings are. I have
installed them in several Tandy machines with the default IO@0x220 and
IRQ@5, (don't remember other settings, I don't have one in front of me)

>Additionally, I am considering buying a IDE drive but am concerned with
>problems in compatibility if I don't buy it from Radio Shack.  Are my
>concerns unwarranted?

I have not problems installing *a* 16-bit IDE in a Tandy-made AT-bus
machines. And, yes, I have dealt with about a dozen or two. The *only*
problems I have had with them have been multiple drives of different mfgr.
since some companies have different ideas of the master/slave protocol.
If the BIOS table doesn't support a user-defined type (heads/cyls/sectors),
you may have to settle for using *most* of the drive. Check your setup
utility for a type 'AUTO', it will ask the drive and use all of it.

>I am hoping that the Soundblaster problem is with the board not the
>computer.  I remember the older Tandy computers had a lot of problems
>with incompatibility so I am a little careful here.  I am looking at
>a Maxtor 170Mb drive.  Can I buy this mail order and expect it to work?

Do you have another computer to check the board in? Can your vendor
prove the board is good? Have you tried using different settings? Are
you using IRQ 3, 4, or 7 without disabling internal ports/boards?

If your BIOS setup allows 'AUTO', you're set. If it can support user-
defined cyl/hd/sec parameters, you're almost set; be sure to get the
numbers from the Maxtor vendor. If it can't support UD parameters, get
the numbers from the Maxtor vendor and see if there's anything usable in
your BIOS table.

You're impression of incompatability with older machines is mostly
correct, but I have seen almost no problems with newer machines. The
new Sensation's only problem seems to be that there's so much in it
that only two IRQs, few DMAs, and few wide-open IO ranges left after
all the hardware that's in the machine eats the AT architecture up.
All in all, it's a nice, quick machine - I've even seen it run NT!
I can't use one, though because there's no room for the EtherNet,
SCSI, and multi-serial boards or the drives I need for a *nix box.

Disclamer: rwsys doesn't pay me enough to talk for them and I don't
always agree with their management, who they *do* pay enough. YMMV!
-- 
James Wyatt  KA5VJL  jim@rwsys.lonestar.org  Semper Gumbi - always flexible!