From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Hamas
Date: 23 Dec 1992 21:41:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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ahmad@ra.cs.umb.edu (Ahmad Hashem) writes:
>In article <1ha0qjINNrud@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hama
>>
>>I would like you to tell me what these good prinicples of Islam
>>that Hamas has strayed from are.
>
>To say the very least, Islam does not condone attacking civilians, and this
>is something Hamas did.  (Reminder: Review Abu Bakr's famous commandments
>to his army.)
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To your knowledge the latest attacks from Hamas didn't involve any civilians.
All of them were soldiers.  Even the one who was kidnapped from Lud was a
soldier who had his weapons with him, and used to kill not only Palestinian
men, but also women and kids.
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Why don't blame jews for killing Palestinian kids?  How about the 2 and more
children who died in Khan Yunis recently?  Is it ok for jews but not for
arabs?
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Abu Bakr instructed an offensive muslim army, not people who are oppressed,
and who are being under curfew for months, and who their father, sister,
brother, friend, etc got killed or put in jail or deported from their
homelands, and who were beaten by oneway another by the israeli border guards,
and who see injustice done to every member of their community.  That is
totaly different situation than what Abu Bakr went thru.  As Ahmad Yaseen
put it:

Q: In principles, what do you think of killing this policeman?
A: Killing a pliceman and killing a Palestinian and killing a
   slodier is an episode that resulted from a situation that is
   occupation.  So if the causes are removed, the problems
   disappear.
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AS said in Arabic:
               "Lokil Maqamin Maqaal"
               "The one whose hand in fire is not like
                that whose hand in water."
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There is nothing in our book, the
Koran, that teaches us to suffer
peacefully.  Our religion teaches us
to be intelligent.  Be peaceful, be
courteous, obey the law, respect
everyone, BUT if someone puts his
hand on you, send him to the
cemetery.  That's a good religion,
In fact that's that old time
religion.  That's the one that Ma
and Pa used to talk about: an eye
for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth,
and a head for a head, and a life
for a life.  That's a good religion.
And nobody resents that kind of
relegion being taught but a wolf,
who intends to make you his
meal...No, preserve your life, it's
the best thing you've got.  And if
you've go to give it up, let it be
even-steven.
                                        Nov 1963 (Malcom X Speaks pp12-13)
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Lastly and more importantly, if you want to find the Islamic view on
this situation, read these Quranic verses:

Al-BaQarah
{
194. The Sacred month for the sacred month and all sacred things
are (under the law of) retaliation; whoever then acts
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
aggressively against you, inflict injury on him according to the
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
injury he has inflicted on you and be careful (of your duty) to
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Allah and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
}

Al-Maaidah
{
45. And We prescribed to them in it that life is for life, and
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
eye for eye, and nose for nose, and ear for ear, and tooth for
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
tooth, and (that there is) reprisal in wounds; but he who foregoes
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
it, it shall be an expiation for him; and whoever did not judge by
what Allah revealed, those are they that are the unjust.
}

If tooth and wounds count, what do we say about other things, ie kids,
women, old people, etc...?
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>>Maybe Jews know Islam better than Hamas.

>Meaningless remark.  Some Jews definitely do.

You're dead wrong...
And if you think a jew does, one has to wonder why?
Is it to teach muslims to give up their land?

Wake up!
>Best Ahmad
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