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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:48:08 MST
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Subject:      Re: Christian Nettiquette

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>From: jtauber@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (James Tauber)
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>Date: 27 Jan 1993 07:38:31 GMT

Marissa Ratcliff (MRATCLIF@UGA.BITNET) wrote:
: Dear James,
:
:
:Thanks for the much needed humor. (It was humor, right?) I'm starting to
feel just a bit warm; how 'bout you?
:
:
: Marissa Ratcliff

Yes it was humour, but truth as well.
It is very middle-eastern to use word-play to prove a point. Both Moses and
Jesus (especially) do it all the time. We miss most of it in the English.

James Tauber (Yaakov ben-Avraham)
jtauber@tartarus.uwa.edu.au
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Subject:      question for all

Ok, who subscribed the Practical Christian Life (CHRISTIA) listserv
list as a member of Vampyres?

Jaws
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:17:43 -0700
From:         Tom Purcell <GE0110@SIUCVMB.BITNET>
Subject:      Rush Limbaugh's show

I am not sure why persons are interested in influencing my views of the
Rush Limbaugh show (or on the character of his detractors on CHRISTIA),
but my views have not been rebalanced by any of this.  May I suggest
that anyone interested in this topic view the show and make a judgement
as to its merits independently of the conclusions of the rest of us.

I have views myself of all these matters - but they are not all that
important, are they?  My advice - decide for yourself what is and is not
so about this topic.  It is one of the things one must do as a responsible,
adult Christian.
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:46:32 EST
From:         Lon Mendelsohn <LMENDELS@CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Nuts and Bolts...
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Teresa,

Since I do not know him, I would not presume to question the integrity of
your father.  I am sure that he is a good Christian man.  However, the
question under discussion is not whether good people advocate the use
of force to deal with evil men, but how the Lord Jesus tells us to deal
with evil men.  Good men and women can be wring from time to time, but
I think that both of us will agree that Jesus will never steer us wrong.
There are many persons whom I respect as good Christian men and women,
but I also disagree with some of these persons strongly enough to
occasionally say to them, "No, I think what you're saying on that issue
is wrong."

Shalom,

Lon Mendelsohn
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From:         "Ian (Travolta) Wylie C2/Q2" <iwylie@MCS.DUNDEE.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Ten Commandments.

Hi to all on Christia,

After reading John Violettes posting on the ten commandments is, what an on
the ball posting.  Shows a more mature understanding of the Scriptures.




________________________________________________________________

"To live is to change. To be perfect is to have changed often."
                               -John Henry Newman

Name: Ian R. Wylie                 Email:  iwylie@uk.ac.dund.mcs
The University of Dundee
Great Britain
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:41:00 GMT
From:         CAROL L <Z_STAFF_CL@SOUTHAMPTON-INSTITUTE.AC.UK>
Subject:      RE: Praying in tongues (was Re: centering prayer...)

Date: 25 Jan 1993 09:26:40 -0600 (CST)
From: Russ Neumeier <russn@EDU.WISC.SSEC>
Subject: Praying in tongues (was Re: centering prayer...)
> There have been a couple of posts on the thread of 'centering prayer' in
> which people have mentioned praying in tongues.  I'm not at all familiar
> with this, but am very curious to learn more about it.  If this topic is
> not appropriate for this list please e-mail me.

 Russ,

I think this is a perfectly good subject for the list to discuss.  I'd
like to hear what everyone thinks / feels / believes about this.

I shall try to start the ball rolling with what I feel is a simple
explaination and hope other will be able to fill in the gaps.
(especially the bits of the bible - I can never remember chapter and
verse and I don't have a bible at work.)

Paul wrote about the gifts of the spirit (Corinthians ??) and one of them
was the gift of tongues - speaking in "other languages" in some simplistic
translations.

Now we come to the empirical bits. For some, I understand, this means the
ability to speak in earthly languages (other than their mother tongue) easily
and be understood.  Some people claim to be able to speak thus without
learning the language.

For others it is the gift of a non-earthly language with which to communicate
with God, a language of love.  This is the "tongues" refered to in "praying
in tongues."   Some speak of this as babble.  Perhaps that is what it sounds
like to them.  On the odd occasion I have listened in, it is like listening
to a beautiful, lilting language.  Each speaker seems to have their own
dialect. I have a friend who is a linguist and tells me that it isn't babble
and that it does have a structure and a grammar.

To pray in tongues is often an extention to complentative prayer and at
first just happens.  Then, like any language, it needs practice - not a
forced thing but waiting on God with a willingness to use the gift.

Then there are those who are given gifts for a time and a place.  (Many
people debate that gifts God gives aren't taken back.  I can't agree with
them, God seems to provide me with gifts on an ad hoc basis - not all of
them remain.)

It all sounds rather weird and difficult to believe.  Yet it has happened
to be and around me.  What I witness and experience, I have no choice but
to believe - event if I can't understand or rationalise it with my poor,
mortal brain.

Occasionally, you'll find you or someone else will be given a gift which
enables them to translate what is spoken in tongues!  Rare but it happens.
(Yes, I find this bit difficult to accept too !!!)

Hope this gets you thinking
Carol A Long,  Southampton Institute of Higher Education, England
        email     :  Z_STAFF_CL@UK.AC.SOUTHAMPTON-INSTITUTE
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:34:58 EST
From:         "SHELBY A. CROSS" <LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: PRAYER REQUEST

Dear Prayer Warriors,

Could someone tell me what the prayer request for Madge McBurney was.  I
did not receive it? Thank you very much.

Shelby--
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:30:23 MST
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Subject:      Re: Do Miracles Happen?

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>Subject: Re:      Do Miracles Happen ?
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In article <01GTP36CY1S299DJHO@asu.edu>,         CAROL L
<Z_STAFF_CL@SOUTHAMPTON-INSTITUTE.AC.UK> writes:
|> Do miracles happen ?
|>
|> Well what do you think ?
|>

What do you think salvation is?

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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:57:03 -0500
From:         John Violette <violette@APXTG03.APEX.DG.COM>
Subject:      Re: Break off ties with the Vatican?

I think the purpose of the church-state separation was to avoid a national
church or religion.  The vatican is a very powerful group of people who should
be considered when foreign affairs and the like are at issue.  Do you
remember when Noriega sought protection from the Vatican?  The US wouldn't
touch him...  Catholics make up for a large percentage of Christians around the
world, I used to be one myself.  For the most part, I think that Catholics
outside the US have stronger loyalties to the vatican the those in the US, at
least that's my opinion.  What am I getting at...  You turn your back on the
Vatican, lot's of people will turn their back on the US.

John <><
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:17:17 -0600
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From:         Brad Kaiser <bradk%isdgsm@RTSG.MOT.COM>
Subject:      Re: Countries Turning to God

Today, as you know, is the 20th anniversary of Roe v. Wade.  I've been
thinking recently about it, and you know, the reality that >20 million
children have been murdered in this country since 1973 is truly an
overpowering one.

"Make no mistake: God is not mocked, for a person will reap only what
he sows ..." [Gal 6:7] ... and what of a nation?  Will God treat a
guilty nation any differently?  When Israel sinned, God punished her:
"... for you are *NOT* my people, and I will *NOT* be your God ..."
[Hos 1:9]

I found myself wondering why God has not already punished this
country, when we have so arrogantly filled the cup of His wrath.  Now
perhaps our (relative) economic decline over the last 20 years is part
of that punishment (something that never seemed to occur to Ross
Perot!); perhaps the increasing social disorder is a part of it as
well.  But they cannot be the whole of our chastisement.

I found my answer in the deuterocanonical/apocryphal book of 2
Maccabees.  It is not a pleasant answer, however.

After a long narrative of the atrocities committed on the Jews by
their pagan Greek overlords, the author inserts this little comment:

   Now I beg those who read this book not to be disheartened by these
   misfortunes, but to consider that these chastisements were meant
   not for the ruin but for the correction of our nation.  It is, in
   fact, a sign of great kindness to punish sinners promptly instead
   of letting them go for long.  Thus, in dealing with other nations,
   the LORD patiently waits until they reach the full measure of their
   sins before He punishes them; but with us He has decided to deal
   differently, in order that he may not have to punish us more
   severely later, when our sins have reached their fullness.  He
   never withdraws His mercy from us.  Although He disciplines us with
   misfortunes, He does not abandon His own people.
                     -- 2 Macc 6:12-16 [NAB]

I cannot get those words out of my mind ... "the LORD patiently waits
until they reach the full measure of their sins before He punishes
them".  Perhaps the time has come for Christians to pray for the
Lord's wrath to come upon this nation sooner, rather than later.

Something to think about, and pray about, today.

In Christ's Love,

Brad Kaiser
(a product of conception, at Internet: bradk@isdgsm.rtsg.mot.com)
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:04:59 CST
From:         THERESA BLACKWELL <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      "Hear the Call"

                   "Hear The Call"
               "Lift your Hands to the SNOW-WHITE LIGHT"
                   "Hear The Call"
               "Do, as a Child of Christ"
               "What you know is Right...."
-------------------
This Chorus is contained in a song written by Paul Bryan Addison in 1991
-and recorded at Miller Recording Studio, Hattiesburg MS.  As soon as I
get the rest of these awesome lyrics, I'll post to the list.
Thanks to each and every one of you who are continuing to remember
the Addisons in prayer.  They still need it, and so does Richburg Baptist
Church-Hattiesburg.  This came as a shock to us all, but God has a reason
for calling Paul home with Him... (Maybe Paul has his own Studio now????)
Keep the faith, everyone.
HE's on his way back - PRONTO...
(We had an excellent service yesterday-so I'm pumped up for two weeks...
get ready, gang.  You're gonna see MAJOR amounts of praise from 'the G").
"In all things, give thanks...."
I must go find a grand piano that's somewhere close to A=440 cps.

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From:         Liz Moreau <EMOREAU@UMASSD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Defending Ourselves

>If you can prevent someone from commiiting such a crime, which may in
>turn lead to a worse crime, why take no action ?

Exactly my thoughts Carol.  I couldn't live with the guilt if the
criminal went free to harm someone else.

I guess we really don't know what we will do in a situation until we
are in in.

If someone was robbing my house, I wouldn't help them carry things
out!

Someone did steal my car from my driveway, and I didn't give chase.

If someone was hurting one of my children, watch out!

We are all accountable for our actions ... even criminals.  I have
many unknown thiefs in my prayers right now.  Sometimes I feel they
have been put in my path so I could pray for them.

                                                Liz
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:32:20 EST
From:         Dan Harling <harling@ROADRUNNER.PICTEL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Mormon/LDS

> Date: 25 Jan 1993 11:55:00 -0700
> From: SWILBURN@GONZAGA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Mormon/LDS
> To: Multiple recipients of list CHRISTIA <CHRISTIA@asuvm.inre.asu.edu>
>
> ...I now work for a man who is Mormon, and he has other
> employees that are Mormon.  He knows I am a Roman Catholic, and he respects
> me and my beliefs.  I, too, respect his beliefs, and if there is one thing we
> have in common, it is that both of us believe in Christ.  I should also
 mention
> that my boss is the best man I have ever worked for, and many people whether
> dealing with him personally or in business respect him.  I will pray that you
> and your friend will be able to accept the differences in church denominations
> and go foreward in faith together.

In rereading my letter, I thought I should be more specific.  The fact
that someone is a member of a cult does not mean we do not have to
respect his beliefs; indeed, it would be well to learn his beliefs in
more depth, to better understand him.

This is not to say, however, that all belief systems are equally
correct, or represent the Truth equally well.  Cults often use
Christian-sounding terminology so that they can say things like my
favorite example:

        "The Deity of Christ?  I've never denied the Deity of Christ!
         I've never denied the Deity of *anyone*!"

The central issue comes down to the question: who is Jesus?  The
phrasing of one's answer does not matter; it is the meaning that is
important.  Suppose I were to say, "Jesus was the Messiah", referring
to salvation from our unenlightened state thanks to Jesus' great moral
teachings and shining example.  That says something very different from
"Jesus was the Messiah", meaning he bore the penalty of our sins for
us.  One is consistent with Christianity; the other is not.

Thus it becomes questionable in some cases whether or not a group's
beliefs are consistent enough with the essentials of Christianity to be
admitted as a denomination.  Two people saying exactly the same words
can mean completely different things by them, especially when speaking
metaphorically, which is the only way in which some ideas can be
expressed.

In sum, there are more reasons than simple intolerance that some groups
are not recognized as Christians by most Christian groups.
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Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                   PictureTel Corp. (so there!)
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:20:30 -0500
From:         Marissa Ratcliff <MRATCLIF@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Countries Turning to God

Dear Mark,

   I know which woman you are talking about.  I saw her give a talk on the VISN
/ACTS channel.  Did she talk about how many abortions are done on young women t
hat are NOT pregnant?  If she didn't, I'll post what she said, if you would lik
e me to.

   I found her to be very convincing and sincere in her assessment of what's re
ally going on in abortion clinics.


Marissa Ratcliff                Document Delivery
University of GA                Science Library
Athens, GA
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:04:03 -0600
From:         Fred Fowler <frefow@FREFOW.AUTO-TROL.COM>
Subject:      Prayer Request Update

   Thanks to everyone for praying for Becky Herman.  It turns out that
   the problem is not caused by Crohn's disease: it's an ulcer.
   It's unusual, I am sure, for a thirteen year old to have an ulcer,
   and it won't be a pleasant thing to have to deal with, but it is
   not as serious as some of the other things it could have been.
   Becky has some medicine she has to take for a while, and she'll
   have to watch what she eats, but she doesn't have to worry about
   having cancer or a disease that forces her to take a steroid for
   the rest of her life.  And ulcers do heal completely sometimes.
   Now if all of you will just pray about that ...

                                            Fred Fowler
                                            frefow@frefow.auto-trol.com
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:05:06 -0500
From:         carol nemec <YA67@MUSIC.FERRIS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: March for Life, etc.

Yes, the words were so well written that it made a lot of sense.
I read a book in the 70's called _Blaming the Victim_.  Most of
it centered on education, if I remember.  Such as inner city
schools are bad because the students are stupid.  I always
enjoyed the Laugh-in comment on lake Erie...being from Ohio
and married to a Clevelander...that the lake is polluted due
to the dead fish.  It seems like much of the rhetoric going
around these days fits the same idea.  We want to use fetal
tissue, but the ones that want to use it won't acknowledge the
fetus is human.  Every child a wanted child but there are
2 million couples wanting to adopt that are waiting for a child
and 1.6 million children being killed each year.

Hmmm...
Off my soapbox,
Carol N.
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:11:37 -0600
From:         Tom Shelton <tjshel@MAPLE.MONSANTO.COM>
Subject:      RE: centering prayer/prayer of silence/contemplation, etc.

Zane,
    I can't say that I 'practice' centering prayer.  I do know that at times
when talking to my Father, I have times of silent, reflective, communicating?
Usually I will slip over into praying in tongues, but sometimes God and I just
communicate silently.  This seems to occur more when I am staying deeply in His
word and talking and listening to Him.  I tend to find this time very
refreshing.

In His love,
Tom Shelton
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Subject:      Re: Agreeing against Rush L.

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>Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:44:13 GMT

Rather harsh terms against Rush, so maybe you could give us some for instances.
I know he has to care about truth to some extent if not at least for the fact
that he uses video footage and reads newspaper columnists and quotes research
from other groups.  So, in what manner does Rush not care about the truth, and
in what ways does Rush use humor to cut down people, rather than ideas?

MAC
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Subject:      Re: THE LIST OWNERS' REQUEST TO STOP DISCUSSING ROBERTSON.

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Subject: Re: THE LIST OWNERS' REQUEST TO STOP DISCUSSING ROBERTSON.
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:31:20 GMT


Although I disagree with Dan's views of Pat Robertson, I do agree that he
should be able to express his views here.  After all this is an unmoderated
list.

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