HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: arxt@quads.uchicago.edu (Dave Palmer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Beaming Down... is it smart?
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:58:39 GMT
Reply-To: arxt@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations


	In article <915522netnews.upenn.edu>, worthm@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
(Michael A Worth) writes, "If beaming down to an unknown planet isn't 
inherently dangerous, then I don't know what is.  And yet the Enterprise 
consistently beams down its most senior officers (Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and 
Picard, Riker, Geordi, and Data).  That is akin to having our four star 
Generals in the Marines be the first to storm an entrenched beach.  Wouldn't 
the Enterprise have specialized teams of people specifically trained to beam 
down and collect data, then contact the ship? Just a quick thought..."

	David Gerrold brought this exact same point up in his excellent book, 
The World of Star Trek.  Perhaps in Kirk's time most Starfleet ships had
dedicated landing party personnel, seeing as how Captain Tracey in "The Omega
Glory" was not part of his ship's initial landing party.  Kirk may have just
been going against the grain.  This is not unlikely, knowing Kirk's
personality.  He may well have gotten in trouble with Starfleet Command for 
it, but with him such a hero, Starfleet would look very bad demoting him.  So 
they promoted him instead and kept him out of active Fleet service.
	While in NG Picard is rarely in a landing party (except in special
situations such as in "Skin of Evil"), other senior officers such as Riker and
Data are almost always on landing party missions.  This is hard to believe,
since Picard seems to be more for following regulations than Kirk.  I cannot
think of any possible reason for this.  But then, the NG Enterprise rarely
encounters any "unknown planets", and certainly very few dangerous ones. :)

	--The Midwesterner
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From: arxt@quads.uchicago.edu (Dave Palmer)
Subject: Re: News question
Reply-To: arxt@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:22:43 GMT


	In article <1ba53tINN31d@moe.ksu.ksu.edu>, kzollman2phys.ksu.edu 
(Kevin Zollman) writes, "Have you ever woundered how people get news? In one 
episode they said that they didn't have TV so how do they get news?"


	My impression is that they have news programs similar to our TV news,
but they are carried over subspace radio.  However, the Enterprise is moving
around so often that they do not have specialized recievers for commercial
subspace.  It would be like driving around and having the radio station you're
listening to fade out every ten minutes or so.  Besides, the Enterprise has
other uses for its power.  It is not, as Picard said in "The Neutral Zone",
the QE2. (Although it seems that way a lot of the time).

	--The Midwesterner
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From: cap36406@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Carlos A. Pero)
Subject: Re: holo deck
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:56:35 GMT

william@cs.arizona.edu (William (Dragon) Hertling) writes:

>In article <1bcdn8INN20p@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> lawson@ecst.csuchico.edu (M. Todd Lawson) writes:
>>
>>    Speaking of holo decks, here's another question:
>>
>>   If the holo deck is only 30 x 30 feet approx., Why is it that one
>>  person can be inside and another person will enter but be a mile away
>>  from the first person? Shouldn't the second person enter 20 or so feet
>>  away from the first?

>if your system has the messages from the past week or so, read them. we've
>discussed this. in short, the holodeck door should be considered as a
>fixed location in a virtual reality. anyone who enters the door will
>enter the virtual reality in the same place. someone else who is elsewhere
>in the virtual reality will appear to be some distance away due to special
>techniques the holodeck uses. again, read the message of the last week or
>so for a description of these techniques.

>william@cs.arizona.edu

I think Todd may be asking why the "exit" is so far away from the person
already in the holodeck. If someone joins the program, why don't they
enter 20 feet away from the original person?

The answer is, I don't know. It probably just depends on the program as to
where the "arch" or "exit" will be.


-- 
______________________________________________________
 \   Carlos A. Pero  -  University of Illinois at U-C  \
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From: tkeiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Anthony L Keiser)
Subject: Re: Turbo lift question.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 23:40:21 GMT

          I wasn't aware that the old E even had 80 some decks the E-D only has
42.  This has bothered me for some time.
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From: baylor@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Subject: Re: News question.
Reply-To: baylor@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 00:19:40 GMT

>In article <1ba53tINN31d@moe.ksu.ksu.edu>, kzollman@phys.ksu.edu (Kevin Zollman) writes:
>|> Have you ever woundered how people get news?  In one episode they said that they
>|> didn't have TV so how do they get news?
>|> 
You've never heard of net-news?
From: v128nkej@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN PAST,PRESENT AND FUTURE IS ONLY ILLUSION,HOWEVER PERSISTENT...)
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Subject: Re: Klingon Battle Cruisers
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:24:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1atbg6INN72c@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, haywire@yaya.WPI.EDU (the Insane One) writes...
> 
>I was watching STTMP just because I liked the beginning.
>And then I noticed something very weird:
> 
>The Com station on the Klingon Battle Cruisers is at the front of all
>the other stations. Everything  and Everyone was BEHIND the commander!!!
>Now if I remember right, if I was a Klingon commander I would
>NOT want all my officers BEHIND ME!!! because the chain of command
>goes whoever is the strongest leads and I wouldnt want my back
>turned to these guys. It would make sense for them to be in a position
>where I could see what they were doing on any type of ship so the commander
>can get a look at everything and not be running from station to station.
> 
>This really confused the hell out of me...
> 
>Haywire
>  
	They are also very proud and hold tthe idea of bravery very high, 
maybe it would be a sign of cowardice?

		James
From: smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Tom Thatcher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Transporter Energy
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:46:18 GMT
Reply-To: smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <1992Oct14.020452.23906@cs.sandia.gov>, jhgreen@cs.sandia.gov (Jethro H. Greene) writes:
>
>I have read the tech manual and I never fully understood why the transporter
>takes energy.  It converts matter into energy and then energy into matter.
>Shouldn't it break even?  However, I assume that it is not totally efficient
>and loses a lot of energy.  But if the transporter has to supplement energy
>then why can't it supplement a whole lot more energy and make a whole lot
>more people?  Finally, wouldn't it be possible to start the beam up process
>with something like a rock, forget rematerializing it, and keep the extra
>energy?
>
>Jed
>---
The transporter actually does break even on the matter conversion aspect
of the process.  However, carrying the process out, sending the matter
signal, etc, requires additional energy.

The matter stream of a transporter beam in a unique kind of thing in
which the quantum states of all the atoms in a person are maintained.
These quantum states are not held in memory, however (too much data) 
so there is, and can only ever be, one matter stream capable of being
reassembled as a living person.  A person could be copied but the copy
would be dead meat :-)  and creating it would require the conversion of
100 kilos ( or whatever) of raw material.

This is what replicators do, convert raw material into an equal mass of
finished product.  A great deal of energy is required to actually accomplish
the process.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^ Q:  "What must I do to convince you people?"  ^  Tom Thatcher
^ WORF:   "Die."                                ^  University of Rochester
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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From: jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley)
Subject: Re: Turbo lift question.
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:26:14 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

uhs@jab.tucson.az.us (Rob Macomber) writes:
>
>But in _The First Duty_, Wesley's room has a doorknob...

Plausible answer:  Starfleet Academy is a historic paramilitary
academy with longstanding traditions.  In that spirit, the buildings
on the academy campus are maintained in the historical style, to
respect the traditions associated with aged institutions of learning.
This includes quaint anachronisms like doorknobs, and probably flush
toilets. :-)
--------------------------------+---------------------------------------
Jay Windley                     | jwindley@asylum.cs.utah.edu
Department of Computer Science  +---------------------------------------
Univ. of Utah, Salt Lake City   | Error non est sed facilitas.
From: linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Transporters as Weapons- Why not?
Keywords: transporter, weapon
Date: 7 Oct 92 05:27:57 GMT
Organization: NetCom- Cheaper than Compu$erve (isnt everything, though?)


	Well, I've seen evert trek show/movie to air and never have I seen
the transporter used as a weapon. Imagine, you could beam bombs right on to
the enemy ship's bridge; beam part of their warp drive out into space; beam
incoming photon torpedos so as to turn their direction around; Beam some of
the crew into space. Nah, that'll never happen though. It must be that
federation ethics code (like no cloaking devices). What's that you say?
You can't beam through shields? No problem, just use that dimensional shift
device the terrorists used against the Enterprise (shields didn't stop it).
Just another grudge. Thank you for your time.
-- 
Bruce James Robert Linley | 
Comp Sci & Engr, UCLA     | "Trust me, I know what I'm doing."   - Sledgehammer
<linley@netcom.com>       |
From: william@cs.arizona.edu (William (Dragon) Hertling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Turbo lift question.
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:14:40 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Oct14.172659.22916@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnlong@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey N Long) writes:
>In article <BvtBIz.HJI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cap36406@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Carlos A.
>Pero) writes:
>>asweeney@camelot.sw.stratus.com (Andy Sweeney) writes:
>>>OK we were shooting the shit and the question came up about
>>>turbolifts. How many are there? How come no one has to
>>>wait for one? And if I'm using one can someone of higher
>>>rank pre-empt(sp) me?
>
>Maybe the turbo lifts are like Ethernet Packets.  Where you would have several 
>lifts serving one shaft and each one waits it's turn to run down segments of 
>the shaft.
>
>Just a thought.

It's not just a thought, it's the way it works. All of the turboshafts are
interconnected. Multiple cars serve throughout the ship. The computer 
determines the quickest route (which may involve a longer route, if the short
route currently has traffic on it). And like most elevators we have today,
I'm sure that the system is designed so that there is always a turbolift
at important places (like the bridge).

I do know that I've seen people have to wait for a turbolift. I've
seen the turbolift empty or full when it arrived. I've seen a view from
the inside when someone else gets in.

What I haven't seen is someone just walk up to a turbolift, the door
opens immediately, and someone is inside. I could see it happening though....

	[Picard walks to turbolift]
	[Turbolift doors open, Riker inside]
	Picard: What are you doing, Number One?
	Riker: Standing, Sir. <Riker smirks>
	Picard: Stop that Number One, and don't let me catch you
	        playing in the turbolifts again.

william@cs.arizona.edu

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From: runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan)
Subject: Re: Eating within the Holodeck
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:58:20 GMT
Organization: HP, Cupertino, CA, USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Adam Fred Lieberman (liebea@vccsouth13.its.rpi.edu) wrote:
>P.S. How easy is it for a simulated holodeck person to eat real food?

It should be simple as the animation sequence.  Once the food, water, etc
enters the field being animated, merely transport it out.  Just don't
get eaten by any dragons on the holodeck...  :-)
From: william@cs.arizona.edu (William (Dragon) Hertling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Bluescreen mistake/badly done?
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:23:52 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <wyFRsB1w165w@prag.com> su@prag.com (Sean D. Ackley) writes:
>
>I noticed in the latest episode "Relics" that when Scotty walks into
>the holodeck for the first time to the old Enterprise bridge the
>matting/blue screen work was not up to par with the other episodes.
>
>Usually they do a good transition job.  Any explanations?

I'm not sure what you were referring to, but I assumed that they used
old stock footage for the bridge, since I also assumed that the original
set was long gone. I'm really not what if this has anything to do with
your question, but it was just something I was wondering about myself.

william@cs.arizona.edu


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From: cap36406@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Carlos A. Pero)
Subject: Course Headings
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:13:31 GMT
Keywords: heading


From what I've interpreted from episodes, when ordering a course heading
such as 123 MARK 45, the 123 stands for degrees in a horizontal plane, 
while 45 stands for degrees in a vertical plane. Therefore, a complete
trajectory is given for any direction in 3-D. 

My question is, if the above is true, how can Picard/Riker or whoever give
a course heading without even referencing where they currently are?
I understand the above headings to be dependent on the orientation of
the ship. Am I just missing something, or is Picard just an omniscient dude?


-- 
______________________________________________________
 \   Carlos A. Pero  -  University of Illinois at U-C  \
  \   Email to: cap36406@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu               \
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From: dread@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Dread)
Subject: Re: "TerraWatt"
Organization: The Realm of Dread
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:07:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.233620.19332@midway.uchicago.edu> lidz@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Out of curiosity, does anyone remeber the episode of TNG where they mention thatthey can't do something (Sorry, I forget what), and that a planet could because
>it required a "TerraWatt" of power, which was too much for the Enterprise to
>produce?  Isn't there something wrong there?  A Terra-Watt is not too much, and
>if you consider how hard it should be to produce it in the 24th Cent, there is
>a problem.  It should be EASY to produce it on a ship the size of the Enterprise!  The lights alone on something that big probably require a TerraWatt of power!(1 Million Light bulbs = 1 TerraWatt, so that might be a slight exageration, but. . . )
>(And they probably have more efficent light, as well, but still a TerraWatt isn't that much!)
>
Actually, If you take the ST:TNG Technical guide, the enterprise at maximum
warp (9+) is using about a terrawatt of power. They give a power/cochrane
and the number of cochranes for the speeds, and multiplying it out, you get
a terrawatt power needed around warp 9.5. It's hard to get it exact, 'cause
only a graph was given. Considering that, I looked up
the U.S.'s power generation in the encyclopedia a while back. I don't
remember the exact figure, but in the mid-70's the U.S.'s installed power
generation was capable of around 200 gigawatts (Ok, I may be off, but it
was in the 100s of gigawatts.) No way we are using 5 times as much power
as 20 years ago, but even if we are, that is the whole country!

BTW, a terrawatt is 1000 gigawatts, a million megawatts. So unless you got
1 million watt light bulbs, it will take a lot more than a million light
bulbs.
-- 
--
Dread				      (Richard Robinson, Univ of Mass, Amherst)
dread@titan.ucc.umass.edu	      "There is no right, there is only power!"
					     "Kill them, kill them all!" 
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From: liebea@vccsouth13.its.rpi.edu (Adam Fred Lieberman)
Subject: Re: News question.
Reply-To: liebea@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 06:52:17 GMT

In article <1ba53tINN31d@moe.ksu.ksu.edu>, kzollman@phys.ksu.edu (Kevin Zollman) writes:
|> Have you ever woundered how people get news?  In one episode they said that they
|> didn't have TV so how do they get news?
|> 
|> --Kevin Zollman
|> --
|> +----------ME----------+A+-----Not-me------------+--------------------------+
|> |   Kevin Zollman      |N|    Jonathan Williams  |  Imagination is more     |
|> |kzollman@phys.ksu.edu |D| jonvw@matt.ksu.ksu.edu| important than knowledge |
|> |  ^^^Beginning computer users consultants^^^    |            A. Einstein   |

     Obviously, all the necessary functions of TV have been taken up by newer
technology.  News can be transmitted via subspace, collected by a computer,
and accessed with a suitable newsreader:-).

                                 -Adam Lieberman
                                  liebea@rpi.edu
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From: burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick)
Subject: Re: Within the Transporter Beam (Scotty))
Keywords: wow, hand, me, another, beer
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:17:33 GMT

In article <Bw0zvJ.9Gp@ulowell.ulowell.edu> jvigneau@cs.ulowell.edu (Joe Vigneau) writes:
>
>I think I read in the TM that things could only be stored in the pattern
>buffer for about 420 sec (=7 minutes). I don't know of any [criminal
>sentence | disease | wife's flames] that last for 7 minutes...:)

MINOR SPOILER BELOW:










It's a good thing Scotty always lied about technical matters;
otherwise there wouldn't be any miracles left in the world.
Check out this week's episode, where Scotty has been stored in 
a beam for 75 years with only 3% degradation of his pattern (I
wonder what part of his body that 3% came off of; remember that
3% of Scotty could be a sizeable chunk!).

Dakin
burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
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From: jhk1@cec1.wustl.edu (Jonathan Howard Krivitzky)
Subject: Re: ships
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:41:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.182059.24563@cbis.ece.drexel.edu> jpw@minerva.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) writes:
>
>Does anyone know the specs of all the Enterprises (a,b,c,d... etc)?
>
>What happened to the 'A'? 'B'?
>
>Just wondering...

	The specs of the five different ship are all specified in 
the next gen. manual. I do not have it with me right now, but I
Believe the enterprise B was an excelcior class ship.
	I'm sorry if this is not Cannon, but I enjoy reading it anyway.

	--Jon K.
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From: smintz@sedona.intel.com (Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~)
Subject: Re: Klingon Battle Cruisers
Originator: smintz@alamo
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:49:56 GMT


Remember this is a personal opinion, Me thinks that klingons in order to get rank
must issue a challenge, if he doesn't, he has no honour, and no one would follow
him...any other ideas?
Stephen
In article <1atbg6INN72c@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, haywire@yaya.WPI.EDU (the Insane One) writes:
> 
> I was watching STTMP just because I liked the beginning.
> And then I noticed something very weird:
> 
> The Com station on the Klingon Battle Cruisers is at the front of all
> the other stations. Everything  and Everyone was BEHIND the commander!!!
> Now if I remember right, if I was a Klingon commander I would
> NOT want all my officers BEHIND ME!!! because the chain of command
> goes whoever is the strongest leads and I wouldnt want my back
> turned to these guys. It would make sense for them to be in a position
> where I could see what they were doing on any type of ship so the commander
> can get a look at everything and not be running from station to station.
> 
> This really confused the hell out of me...
> 
> Haywire
>   
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From: cosc1871@jane.uh.edu (92F06787)
Subject: Re: Transporters as Weapons- Why not?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:56:00 GMT

In article <92281.102357ACS110@psuvm.psu.edu>, <ACS110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes...
>    Mabey you could use the Interdimensional Transport Device but as
>I recall, the terrorists hidout had a huge, well shielded power supply
>to power it. Such power generation would put a strain on the warp engines--
>that could cause problems with evasive maueuvering.

Ah, I don't think *any* evasive manuevering is going to help at
the normal combat ranges the E-D puts up with.  All it is a big
barn out in the middle of a field with people shooting shotguns
at point blank at it.  Besides, the only time the E-D ever used
warp in battle was to "tactically withdraw" from a hot situation.
(Those who remember the Picard Maneuver I wish to point out the
problem of a starship exploding in front of your ship just meters
away...  Picard still had to abandon the Stargazer.)  Hence, in
my humblest opinionated observation :) the ITD would be a 
kick-ass delivery system.

Now all the E-D crew has to do is to talk Scotty into installing
it to feed the power from the food replicator, jumping the 
critical power feed of the running lights and then rig it through
the flux circuit-breaker which runs through Troi's room... :)

>
From: justin@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Justin Davila)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Distance in the Holodecks
Date: 12 Oct 92 02:25:14 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

lsloan@nova.gmi.edu (Lance Sloan) writes:

> cap36406@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Carlos A. Pero) writes:
> 
> >I have a question regarding spatial relationships in the holodeck. I don't
> >have any of the tech manuals for the show, and I've only seen a few episodes
> >address how the holodeck works. So hopefully, someone out there can explain
> >this to me.
> 
> >In "Encounter at Farpoint", Data demonstrates the mechanics of the holodeck
> >to Riker by throwing a rock at the wall. I believe he then babbles something
> >about the illusion of distance how the holodeck allows movement, or somethin
> >to that effect.
> 
> >Fine. I can understand the holodeck would somehow "move" the occupant
> >backwards in the room (if walking a great distance) so that they do not
> >collide with the physical walls of the holodeck. Probably by shifting the
> >holodeck-controllable ground like a treadmill. But what would happen if
> >two people were in the holodeck simultaneously, and walked apart from each
> >other a distance greater than the actual confines of the room? Would they ju
> >be a set distance and the holodeck somehow fool their vision to make them
> >appear farther away?
> 
> Souds reasonable to me.  I think the holodeck would create some sort of
> lenses and/or prisms to give the illusion of distance.  These lenses
> would appear between the two people.
> 
> Or, the computer could "cloak" the two people and draw holograms of them
> on the walls at a great distance away.
> 
> Lance Sloan
> lsloan@nova.gmi.edu


This is indeed the answer given in the STTNG novel Reunion, where the 
holodock projects respectively two smaller images of two occupants 
walking directly away from eachother.  Indeed, the holodeck even softens 
the voice so one sounds far away as wel.

Justin.