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From: mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi)
Subject: Re: Tim's article and Cordula's response
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:58:41 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1992Nov20.140410.29138@olymp.informatik.uni-bonn.de> ratte@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de (  Cordula Reineke  ) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.031320.4969@research.nj.nec.com> tim@research.nj.nec.com (Tim Van Der Avoird) writes:
>>
>>Puthoven - Becker 6-0 6-0 6-0
>>
>>[Although Becker had the best of the game he failed to make this match
>>HIS match. Puthoven won mainly because of his great back hand.]
>>
>Great, Tim, really great :-)))
>
>Almost choking with laughter,
>                              Cordula
>

   I don't find anything funny in quoting something out of context, 
from an article someone had written. Tim's contention was that although
many people post scores on r.s.t, few post actual comments about the 
matches played. He understood that it wasn't always possible to post
comments, but all the newsgroup readers would appreciate comments about 
matches, when posted. The imaginary match between Becker-Puthoven and the 
succeeding comment was just an example of how news posters could convey 
information. A reader who didn't read Tim's original article on the
newsgroup would be misled into believing that such a match was actually
played with the scores as above!!! 

    I appreciate your postings Cordula, but when you quote articles out
of their context, you tend to become a source of misinformation. Also,
please change the topic to reflect your follow-up. The topic "Lendl
withdraws from ATP" is hardly appropriate for your follow up which 
contained no mention of either the ATP championship or Lendl.

                                       Thank you,

                                             From a diehard Becker fan.
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From: gap5u@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory Ashley Perron)
Subject: Thanks for racquetball tips!
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:37:43 GMT

Thanks to everyone who responded--I got on the order of five
responses.  As they all said roughly the same thing, it seems that
everyone plays under the same rules.  I didn't get online rules, but I
did get sources for the rules.

Answers to my questions were:
1) Serves:  you get two serves (like tennis) unless the ball hits the
side wall or ceiling before hitting the front wall; in that case, you
lose serve.  The ball can't hit more than one wall after the front
wall before bouncing and must bounce before hitting the rear wall.
2) Ceiling play: aside from serves, ceilings are OK.
3) Getting hit by the ball:  If the ball hits your opponent after you
hit it, redo unless the opponent intentionally moved into the path or
unles the ball had no chance of being good.  If the ball hits either
person before you had a chance to hit it, redo.

Hope this helps someone!
Thanks again!

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From: Gess Shankar <gess@knex.Gwinnett.COM>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Tournament Update: Nov 19
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 16:15:36 EST
Organization: Knowledge Exchange, GA, US of A

$2.5 MILLION ATP CHAMPIONSHIP
AT FRANKFURT, GERMANY
THURSDAY'S RESULTS  

LAVER GROUP
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Richard Krajicek d. Michael Chang, 2-6,6-3,7-6 (7-4)
Courier vs Ivanisevic 

Krajicek is: 1-1
Chang      : 0-2

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VIRGINIA SLIMS CHAMPIONSHIP
$3 MILLION VIRGINIA SLIMS CHAMPIONSHIP
 
Seles(1)       Vs Novotna     - Tonight
Navratilova(4) Vs Sanchez(5)  - Tonight

Sabatini(3)    Vs Capriati(7) - Friday
Martinez(8)    Vs McNeil      - Friday 

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From: mliu@shasta.ucsb.edu (Mei-Ling Liu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: What happenned in the "Big Four" tennis exhibition at Rome?
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:41:58 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.tennis
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara

In article <MANDAL.92Nov16105051@dulcimer.cis.ohio-state.edu> mandal@dulcimer.cis.ohio-state.edu (Manas Mandal) writes:
>On the clarinet tennis newsgroup, I read about an exhibition event in
>Rome featuring Edberg, Sampras, Ivanisevic, and Becker. This was the
>event which Becker had to withdraw from because of the suspected food
>poisoning. (He is still scheduled to play in the ATP Finals, right?)
>
>The report mentioned that "Becker was beaten Friday by Edberg 6-4,
>2-6, 6-3, and was to have faced Sampras in the consolation playoff
>Saturday night."
>
>So who won the event? Did Edberg finally get past Ivanisevic? And what
>were the scores in the Ivanisevic-Sampras match?
>
Perhaps Clarinet has already answered this, but I had to hear it
from a correspondent in the Far East:

Sampras lost to Ivanisevic in straight set; and so did Stefan
Edberg (sigh, for the 5th time in a row, although this one
really shouldn't count), at 7-6(7-5), 6-4. 

I thought these guys don't play exhibitions.

M. Liu
From: U58476@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Virginia Slims: Nov 17
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:48:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92324.114848U58476
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

<gess@knex.Gwinnett.COM>(Gess Skankar) writes:

[stuff deleted]
>  It was Graf's first loss on the Kraft Tour before the quarterfinals
>  in 101 matches, dating back to October 24, 1985.
          ^^^^^^^
Just to clarify a bit, Steffi's streak is 101 tournaments, not matches (she
has played nearly 500 matches since '85).  Until a few days ago Steffi had
reached the quarterfinals of every tournament she played since Britain's
Jo Durie knocked her out in the 2nd round of the Brighton tournament in
Oct. 1985 (Steffi was ~#7 at the time). In those 101 tournaments, Steffi
lost in only 5 quarterfinals, lost in 11 semifinals, reached 85 finals, &
won 69 of them.  That makes only 32 losses in 7 years.  IMHO, an outstanding
run, to say the least.  Looks like Lori really busted a big one.

Natasha
From: mliu@ucsb.edu (Mei-Ling Liu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: ATP Championship Broadcast: Don't set that VCR yet
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:37:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsbcsl.6724
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara

If you are setting your VCR for the Wed. broadcast of the ATP World Tour 
Championship on ESPN, better check your TV listing first.  I think ESPN
may not be broadcasting that championship as much as we were previously
led to believe.  Instead of the Wed thru Sunday broadcast schedule that
was published here and in Tennis magazine, I only see the early-round
broadcast on Friday (2 hours), the semi coverage on Sat, and presumably
the final broadcast on Sunday.
This is based on the TV listing that came with my Sunday LA Times.

Perhaps those of you who live in Connecticut or close to it can call
ESPN and ask; their phone number is (203)585-2000.  

M. Liu
From: mliu@garden.csc.calpoly.edu (Mei-Ling L. Liu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Sampras won't make #1 this year
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:45:18 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, UCSB

In article <1992Nov19.131458.7166@olymp.informatik.uni-bonn.de> ratte@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de (  Cordula Reineke  ) writes:
>In article <Bxqq5H.F9r@beach.csulb.edu> pujara@wren.acs.csulb.edu (Dipen Pujara) writes:
>>
>>I think Courier is pretty close to losing his #1 ranking again
>
>Sorry to say that, but I *do* hope so !
>He's had this rank long enough now, time to give it away to another player,
>hopefully to Pete Sampras soon :-)
>
Ah, I hate to disappoint you, but this is in today's Los Angeles Times:
  Pete Sampras defeated Edberg ... to keep alive his chances of retaining
  the title, but Courier's victory (over Krajicek) prevented the No. 3 
  Sampras from having any chance of getting to No. 1 even if he wins
  the year-end tournament of the world's top eight players.
  Edberg ... could still get enough computer points to climb from #2 to
  #1 for the third time this year, depding (on) how Courier does.
This is an Associated Press article.
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From: ssubrama@dante.nmsu.edu (SUBRAMANIAM)
Subject: Virginia Slims Spoiler
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:02:47 GMT

Monica Seles (1) defeated Martina Navratilova (4) 
Score: 7-5, 6-3, 6-1

Siva

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From: ratte@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de (  Cordula Reineke  )
Subject: Frankfurt: Ivanisevic - Courier (spoiler)
Organization: Applied Math, University of Bonn, Germany
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:55:25 GMT

I popped into the first set just in time to see GI win his service straight.
t was 5:3 then, but I couldn't find out when the break had happened.
(5:3) GI attacked JC's service very early. There were some dramatic long
points, baseline-duells mainly. JC tried to keep GI from rushing forward,
but under pressure his strokes became too short. With 2 surprisingly quick
points GI broke again, 6:3.

JC kept cool and attacked GI's services very concentrated. Both tried to
make the other one run around. GI won with a service-winner.
(1:0) JC becomes really good now, and GI becomes busy trying to cope with
JC's hard service, hard forehand, hard backhand... GI runs from the left to 
the right and back, and his only net-attack ends up with a stupid volley-
fault.
(1:1) Now Jimmy prooves that he looks like a turtle but doesn't move like
one. GI clearly wins the game.
(2:1) JC loses quality of his basic strokes. One is too long, one is too
flat, 0:30. (Lucy Goran, 'cause he was the one who had to run this time!)
But GI looks a bit helpless facing JC's service.
I can't figure why, but emotions rise on both sides of the net.
Deuce, adv. JC, same problems as above for Jim, hence deuce again. I'm a bit
astonished to see that GI doesn't attack JC's 2nd service better.
But after a very unconcentrated reaction after a net-roller (an easy point,
but JC pushes the ball out), JC's tactic weakens and GI is able to break.
Maybe the decisive game.
(3:1) 0:30, JC's still on the court! GI double-faults, 0:40. He rejects
those 3 breakpoints with a nice over-head volley and two strong service-
winners. Another two forehand-shots make him win the game.
(Maybe JC should have walked on his hands and kept the raquet with his toes
to impress GI...)
(4:1) Both take time for their baseline-strokes. We see a long,long point
ending up 0:30 after a short cross-court stop by GI which reminds me of
Monica Seles (really!). 30:40, but when will GI learn to hit a proper volley
while still running? Deuce. JC wins with 2 service-winners.
(4:2) GI starts with two double-faults. Then I have to revoke: he plays two
first-class volleystops. GI complains about a "net"-call (otherwise it
would have been an ace) and just can't stop discussing. As we all know he
plays best when he's angry, and the game ends shortly afterwards.
Statistcs: won points with 1st service: JC 72%, GI 95% !

(5:2) JC rushes up to 40:0, 40:15 and wins the game, and you can hardly see
how he has done it. What's his trick? Amazing...
(5:3) GI hit only 6 aces yet (JC 4), and maybe there's nothing much about
this neverending discussion how to stop those hard servers.
But then it's 40:30, and GI serves for the first matchpoint with 199 km/h,
and what can JC do but hold his raquet somewhere and return into the net?

It was a good match, really - but why, the heck, does GI boast in the first
interview, he had just played the best match of his life... ??
From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: One result from tonight 11/14
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:17:46 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

[stuff deleted on Graf's defeat of Capriati]


>>6-0,6-1 I CANNOT BELIEVE IT!!!
>

I can believe it.  Since the US Open, Jen has been a teen-ager, hasn't played
any tournaments.  I just hope this kind of a loss doesn't take the fun out of
the sport for Jen.
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Subject: ATP U.S. Broadcast Alert
From: mliu@garden.csc.calpoly.edu (Mei-Ling L. Liu)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 18:54:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science Department, Cal Poly SLO

M. Liu
mliu@cs.ucsb.edu
From: roberto@dcs.gla.ac.uk (roberto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Seles' records (Was Re: Tournament Update: Nov 22pm
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:09:08 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.
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| Excellent year for Seles. 

True. In fact another excelent year.

| She won 10 of 15 tournaments. (in fact she has reached the final of 30
|                                of the last 31 tournaments)

I thought she had lost 6 matches this year. Maybe one of them was an exibition. 
I think she lost once to S. Graf, G. Sabatini, A. Sanches-Vicario and 
J. Capriati, and twice to M. Navratilova. 
Anybody confirm this?

| Match record: 70-5 (has won her last 19 matches)
| 
| Impressive.

No doubt about it.

Roberto Barros
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From: ratte@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de (  Cordula Reineke  )
Subject: Sampras - Becker 7:6(7:5), 7:6(7:3)
Organization: Applied Math, University of Bonn, Germany
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:18:56 GMT

This was the game of the two masters of service.
It wasn't too exciting, but one could admire a great vartiety of different
services - at least more than I ever saw.

PS caught a good start, BB too with very good services, PS with slight
forehand-faults, but dangerous backhand-returns (better than usual).

They played with quite heavy balls, but still reaching speeds up to 194 km/h
(PS) and 185 km/h (BB).

When it was 5:5 in the first set, BB had some difficulties in returning PS's
2nd service (173 km/h).

In the first tiebreak BB suddenly served with lower quality, even double-
faulted and lost 5:7.

The 2nd set brought along longer points, BB with slight unsurances but still
very dangerous when he was successful with his 1st service.

(1:2) PS serving, BB leading with 0:30 after a strange decision by a line-
judge, but then PS aced away.

(2:2) PS had his first breakpoint, BB now with less power but more control
in his 1st service, playing carefully with few net-attacks.

(4:4) BB with improving service-quality, but very stupid volley-faults.

(4:5) Two world-class-points for BB, PS double-faulted ==> 1st setpoint for
BB, PS playing on with a bad 1st service but a very cool backhand and we
see the first famous Becker-roll. PS wins his game, pooh!

(5:6) Becker feels disturbed by his fans aah-ing and ooh-ing at every of his
strokes and starts cursing.

In the tiebreak we had a double-fault by BB, a very peculiar net-roller,
a critical decision against BB, another df by BB, hence 3:6 and 3 matchpoints
for PS who uses the first with an ace, if I'm not mistaken.
From: smuench@i61s4.ira.uka.de (Stefan Muench)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Becker's back (some comments)
Date: 23 Nov 1992 09:35:49 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Institute for Real-time Computer Systems and Robotics (IPR), Germany
Distribution: world
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Hi,

I'm not a "diehard Becker fan", like someone else in this net, but B. B. is
my favourite player. So I couldn't resist to post some comments concerning
his performance in Paris and Frankfurt.

In my opinion, he's not only regained his motivation and enjoys to play tennis
but he's improved his abilities, too. When he won Wimbledon for the first time
(in 1985), he had a big serve and it was nearly impossible to play a good pas-
sing shot. Although his volley was not one of the best, he managed to reach
nearly every ball.

Since then, his game has improved and he learned to play good tennis from
the baseline, too (although he couldn't win a single tournament on clay court).
But his service lost some of its efficency and he had problems to play good
"serve & volley", with one exception: Wimbledon. Especially his first volley
was not very effective and this gave his opponents a second chance for a good
passing shot.

In the last tournaments, he showed his best tennis. The reason for winning
the ATP final was that there was not one weakness in his game. His service
is one of the best, especially the second one. He's learned to play a good
first volley, even when he has to hit the ball only a few inches over the
bottom. His forehand and backhand shots from the baseline are harder and more
precise than of most other players. His returns upset Edberg and Courier in
Frankfurt and Ivanisevic in Paris. And his mental toughness is at its top, I
think. I never saw him that cool and clever for such a long time (3 weeks!).
He has only lost one service game in Paris and two in Frankfurt.

I'm not sure what the reason for this improvement is, but Guenter Bresnik
seems to do a good job.

I know, of course, that there are other players who also play very good tennis
and that Becker may fall back to his bad attitudes (whining and crying and 
swearing) and lose a first round match to Mr. Nobody, but I think if he plays
the way he did in Paris and Frankfurt, the other ones will need one of their
best days to beat him.
-- 


Stefan
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From: gene@wucs1.wustl.edu (_Floor_)
Subject: Re: Racquetball Rules Anyone???
Organization: The K-Zoo Crew
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:53:11 GMT



In article <1992Nov17.222950.12388@wuecl.wustl.edu> gene@wucs1.wustl.edu (_Floor_) writes:
] ] Specific questions I have:
] ] 1) when the ball hits a player, what happens?  do over?  point to the
] ] other person?
] 
] Point/Sideout to the other person - the ball can only touch the racquet.

Oops - I knew I'd say something wrong. I went to racquetball practice
and somebody hit me with the racquetball as it was headed toward the
front wall. This is indeed a replay - a hinder, not a sideout/point as I said
above, otherwise everyone would just aim at their opponent!!! So it's
only a sideout/point if the hinder is avoidable (i.e. you stepped in front
of the person swinging and got hit by the ball, or just decided to
dive at the ball on its way to the front wall :-), or if the ball has not
been played yet after hitting the front wall. Sorry about that.

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From: mliu@garden.csc.calpoly.edu (Mei-Ling L. Liu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: EDBERG: The artiste par excellence
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:21:15 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, UCSB

In article <1992Nov23.134027.10584@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung) writes:
>In article <1elm9dINNcqj@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> bubai@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (P.Chatterjee) writes:
>>
>>Agreed, Edberg has lost a few matches lately to players like Becker,
>>Sampras and Forget. I haven't had the chance to watch any of the matches
>>but I'm willing to accept the fact, judging by the scores, that he was 
>>soundly beaten. So?
>
>>Anyway, coming back to Edberg and his losses, it is a testament to the
>>respect that people have for him that they expect him to win everytime
>>he sets foot on a tennis court. Not that he has failed that test either.
>>He has never been the most dominant player on the circuit but has, by 
>>any yardstick, been wonderfully consistent over the past five or six 
>>years.
>
>I posted an article on this topic a couple of days ago but it seems
>to have been lost. Anyway, in men's tennis, the field is very wide
>(unlike the women's side). It is simply normal for players such as
>Courier, Sampras, Edberg, Ivanisevic, Becker ... to beat one another.
>Consistency has always been Edberg's problem; just look at his Grand
>
>Edberg's game suites fast surfaces, which are dominated by big servers
>in these days. However, Edberg's serve really isn't among the best;
>-- 

I too posted a response to the article; but my response may also
have gotten lost; there seems to be some problem with news on the
Internet lately.
It's no secret that I am one of the biggest Edberg fans around, so
it's heartening to read these thoughtful comments about his performance.
Although I was saddened by his poor show at the final tournament, when
I think about it again, it seems that his biggest problem simply has
been his serve, which has become woefully erratic.  This was the
case even during the U.S. Open, and Tony Trabert commented on it,
pointing out that his problem may have been that he was looking
down when he served.  I think he actually won most of the matches
where his serve didn't betray him, including the U.S. Open final.

So, maybe if he and his coach will make use of the latest technology
to analyze what the problem has been with his serve, things can be
straightened out, hopefully in time for the Australian Open.
 
M. Liu