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Date:         Mon, 10 Aug 1992 16:58:49 EDT
From:         "Cathy Brandt" <CBRAN00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject: Re: labels, descriptive terms
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              10 Aug 1992 11:01:25 EDT from <riolo@COR4.PICA.ARMY.MIL>

On Mon, 10 Aug 1992 11:01:25 EDT Joseph P. Riolo said:
>Cathy,
>
>       Let me assure you that at least, you do not offend me!  I gather

Thanks for the reassurance.  'Preciate it.  I will attempt to use the term that
is fitting for my audience.  Know I can't please all of the people all of the
time.  But, do not want to offend.  So, I'll take care with which term I use.

>       Your signature can be just blank or elaborate and long.  But, I want
>to be free of criticism.  (Do not sign "Miss Brandt" - it is my feeling that
>on Internet, at least first name or nickname should be used.)

I only said "Miss Brandt" because school is just around the corner and I'll
soon be hearing that frequently.  No, I shan't use it here with peers and for
the most part friends.

BTW began putting my classroom together today.  Had a thought as I walked the
halls.  I saw Primary Class, Third Grade, etc.  On my door is Hearing Impaired.
Now, curious to know do the deaf people on this list think that the label
should not be on my door?  Why not?  Everyone in the school has some kind of a
label to identify the type of classroom.  (Just remember some of my kids would
say they are not deaf because they can hear some things.  Have one child who
even has a cochlear implant and *loves* it.)  I think they would say ( I'll
soon find out) that their hearing is less than other children.  But, I don't
think they think that is a bad thing.  We will have to do some fun self assess-
ment things at the beginning of school to see just what they think about them-
selves, their looks, their abilities, their hearing (and maybe even their
teacher and her attitude)  Should be interesting.

Also, would love for my children to email and correspond with some deaf adults.
If any of you are interested please email me personally.  Also, if *any* of you
are ever in the Lexington, Kentucky area I would *love* for you to stop by my
classroom.  I realize that one of the disadvantages of a public school program
is that the children may miss the sense of a larger deaf community.  I try to
expose them to that as much as possible.  So, come visit and share yourself
with us anytime!  (Obviously I'd love to share the kids with you)

'Nuff for now.
Oh, had I said I wasn't going to post on this thread again?  Oooooops!


Signing off,
Cathy, Teacher of the
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 10:42:43 EDT
From:         "Matthew Norman/ Deaf guy" <CAMN%CATCC.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: See how the d/Deaf labelled ....
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> Matthew:
>
> I am hard of hearing and, thus, hearing impaired.  I don't find the term
> hearing impaired offensive.  And I do wish you would not speak for me or
> the many other hard of hearing AND deaf people I know.  You, personally,
> don't like to be referred to as hearing impaired.  That's fine.  BUT LEAVE
> ME ALONE to use and accept whatever terms I find acceptable.

I did NOT speak for ALL deaf people.  I did said  MOST of the deaf
      people.


________________________________________________________________________

  Matthew Norman,
    - Vice-President, Cardinal Club of   CATONSVILLE COMMUNITY COLLEGE
           the Deaf                      800 South Rolling Road
    - Data Communication Technican       CATONSVILLE MD 21228
    -"Deaf guy"
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:27:27 EDT
From:         "Matthew Norman/ Deaf guy" <CAMN%CATCC.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: labels, descriptive terms
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I have never heard of calling African-American, Indian, or Spanish
people "White Impaired".

-Matt
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:42:53 EDT
From:         "Matthew Norman/ Deaf guy" <CAMN%CATCC.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: labels, descriptive terms
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Or calling gay or lesbian "Heterosexual Impaired"

-Matt
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:30:00 CDT
From:         CONLEY%MSUVX2@MEMSTVX1.BITNET
Subject:      TN: Fatal Deaf Killing?

        Hello all,

        The other night, two of my deaf friends whom I haven't
seen in about a month, came by and we all caught up on old news.
One particularly shocking story one told me, which I am still
mostly unaware of and have seen no TV news or paper reports on,
was about this young man, age 20, who was shot and killed by an
officer of the law; city cop, highway patrolman, I'm not sure.
        Anyway, my understanding is that this young man was
driving and was pulled over by two cops.  I think the reason was
for speeding.  (Forgot to mention; the young man was deaf).
The officer gets out of his vehicle and shouts to the young man;
of course the young man being deaf didn't hear the officer.
Apparantly, the officer becomes very suspicious of the young man
who by now, begins looking for paper and pencil to communicate
to the officers; is shot in the head by one of the "overly-suspicious"
officers.

        This incident occured in or around the town of Somerville, TN,
approximately 2 - 4 months ago.
        Because of this horrible misunderstanding, there is now
a huge law suit filed against the state government mainly as a
result of a hoard or mob of deaf friends and family members who
are, to say the least, very much ill over the whole incident.

        As a result of this incident, my friend told me that a
new law concerning the new Tennessee license plates will now be
in effect; one insisting that the new plates from now on, will
contain visably-seen labels on the plates recognizing that a
particular person carrying these plates is "handicapped".
(please don't flame the words here; this is what I was told.)

        As I said, I have seen no newspaper articles, TV news,
or any news for that matter, on this incident.  Does anyone out there
know of this incident???  Also, as we hearies put it, "this is just
from word of mouth"; not saying that I doubt what my friend has told me,
but that if such an incident occured, and especially with the new A.D.A.
coming into effect, this is an article I would expect to see on
national television news reports.


                                Gotta run for now,
                                Steven Conlee
                                CONLEY@MEMSTVX1.MEMST.EDU
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:11:28 BST
From:         Bosco Keown <KEOWN@WINVMC.VNET.IBM.COM>
Subject:      Acronyms, Daffynishuns, et al.
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Ref:  Dave Windley's posting of Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:48:56 EDT

IMHO -- In My Humble Opinion.

Usually the opinion expressed is far from humble, which is
probably why IMHO is less frequently seen. :-)

Cheers, Bosco.

ACRONYM -- A Contrived Reduction Of Nomenclature Yielding Mnemonics.
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From: rwr2875@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Robert Rice)
Subject: Deaf or Hearing-Impaired. Who gives a crap!
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 07:14:18 GMT

C'mon. And when I say c'mon, I mean C'MON! Why do some people feel the need
to try to convince others that a word choice is better than another? Does it really matter? Is one going to complain when a Hawaiian hits the continental 
mainland and starts goin' around sayin' "Aloha" when the accepted standard of speech would be a simple hello or howdy. Why do we need to force ourselves to 
choose? It's really that simple. People have their own opinions and 
orientations and its theirs to manipulate and to express. But please, don't
try to force it on others! Can't we see a day where we can just read an 
article, titled, " [insert issue] for the deaf" and say to ourselves, 
silently, "This guy felt inhibited to use the term deaf. His choice!"
Too all these picky, obstinate people out there, "Chill out!"

Peace!

Robert Rice
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 10:47:06 BST
From:         Bosco Keown <KEOWN@WINVMC.VNET.IBM.COM>
Subject:      TDDs, modems, telecomms, etc...
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Ref:  Bryce Carey's posting of Tuesday

I am not going to bother to respond at length, because it will only lead
to longer, and more boring postings for the other readers.
Suffice it to say that you have your opinions, and I have mine.
I'm not saying I'm right in every way, but I do at least try to
be realistic and look ahead rather than flog dead horses.

You wrote:

>Worse, unless people like you, Bosco, make the point to your designers
>RIGHT THIS VERY MINUTE that they need to provide a migration path for people
>who have old TDD to the brave new worlds you are designing, you
>will once again cast deaf people into a technological communications ghetto.
>We will see a division between people who can afford new style communications
>and people who cannot that is comparable to the division between
>successful oral deaf and people who, for whatever reason, cannot speak.

Why should I? If that's what you want, WHY DON'T YOU DO IT YOURSELF?
I'm sure the designers of PhoneCommunicator will be happy to hear from
you. But I'm not going to ask them to do something on behalf of somebody
else, particularly if that person's opinions about the technology do not
mirror my own. I don't believe you have the right to assume that because
I work for IBM, I should do this for you (or anyone else for that matter).

Further, the coming technological advances in multimedia
telecommunications will *NOT* cast deaf people into any technological ghetto.
Rather, it will make everyone equal. And affordability is not an issue
because when *everyone* (that is, including the hearing population) starts
to use these technologies then there will be no price--discrimination and
we, as deaf people, will get the same deal as everyone else simply because
everyone is using similar and compatible equipment.

TDDs and "special" modems are exactly the communications ghetto you
mention simply because they are extras we have to PAY for to be on closer
to an equal footing with hearing people as far as the telephone is concerned.
The Brave New World I am looking to is a telephone system where *everyone*
is on an equal footing BY DEFAULT. Pressing for improvements for existing
technology rather than taking a serious look at the potential of
multimedia telecommunications will only do the deaf community more damage in
the long run.

Bosco.

John Bosco Keown,
IBM UK Laboratories, Ltd., Hursley Park, Winchester, England.,
Internet: keown@winvmc.vnet.ibm.com
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 06:13:54 EDT
From:         Chris Hafemeister-Salage <CHSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Why not try it?

Dave:

Can we pleeaasse get back to Deaf issues qqqq

Thanks

************************
Chris Hafemeister-Salage
CHSHC @ CUNYVM
CHSHC @ CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:07:39 EDT
From:         "Esther A. Paris" <esther@DEMAND.ED.RAY.COM>
Subject:      one word curiosity

Hi... If U Sign, How many times has someone (who doesn't sign) seen you sign
and then approached you to ask how to sign Just One Word?  Why are people
curious about single words?  I find it rather entertaining.  Every week
after Mass someone new stops me to ask how to sign (in ASL) Just One Word.
Most often they'll ask me for the sign for "PEACE" and then go to one of
the Deaf congregants and sign "PEACE".  But other times they want to know
which sign is JESUS, LOVE, BIBLE, etc... Doesn't matter if I've been
interpreting or not... they know I'm hearing (although sometimes they
forget) and ask me for words.  But why Just One Word?  Personally, I can't
recall ever doing this... especially when I didn't know any signs at all.
To me it seems like a different phenomenon than watching someone else
interpret and knowing the majority of words they use, and then asking them
to teach me new vocabulary.  It's also different from chatting with someone
in sign and asking what they mean by a particular sign (usually it's still
name signs that goof me up terribly!)

Speaking of name signs, is their use ever done as a sign of contempt?  For
example, in "Reasonable Doubts" I noticed that Andrew Crowmeier was
immediately given the name sign A-Shake C-Shake once he became in important
character to watch.  Before that he didn't really have a name sign.  Kay
Lochman has never been given a name sign, as far as I can tell.  Ideas?

I do like how "Reasonable Doubts" makes a point of showing technology that
is for <insert phrase encompassing all people who use assistive technology
because of a hearing loss here> people.  Examples I've seen are:
	-flashing lights for doorbells
	-flashing lights for phone
	-TTY
	-closed caption decoder
	-vibrating pager
	-ASL/English interpreter

Anyone seen any other ones?  I can't say I've ever seen a
closed-caption decoder used in a TV show before (except that Woody
Flowers program about babbling babies).  Now that "Reasonable Doubts"
has been renewed, do you think Kay Lochman will buy a CC decoder for
the bar?  It's really pathetic that Shawn would try to interpret a
TV program in the bar for Tess!  It's bad enough when Dickie Cobb
interprets, but Shawn?  For shame on Kay!  One customer does NOT have
equal access... All Kay has to do is buy a new TV, a 1992 model with
a built in CC chip.  Thoughts?

Well, enough babbling... time for lunch.

Esther Paris, Raytheon EDL, Marlborough, MA -- esther@demand.ed.ray.com
"Hope her God isn't stuck in the metal detector in Boston.  Hope her
God is not lost with my luggage in Houston.  I want to land safe tonight."
-- Christina Olson (paraphrased due to my poor memory.)
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:31:22 CDT
From:         kim <U30993@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Info ID
              18 Aug 1992 11:47:00 MDT from <THESHADO@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>

I agree with the shadow.  I've kept a very, very low profile
throughout this discussion, primarily because I'm made very
uncomfortable by it.  Why?  Well, because I'm opposed to the
use of labels to categorize people.  So I'm profoundly deaf....
what does that tell you about me?  Not a whole lot, not even
if you're a teacher for the hearing impaired, a speech-pathologist,
whatever...  It will not be until you meet me that you'll
really know who I am or what I'm capable of.  People who
work with Deaf/deaf/HoH often assume things about what I can
or can't do based on their prior experiences, and they are
often wrong.  People who don't know anything about this world,
also often assume things about me, based on the label Deaf.

I've met at least a few people who, upon being introduced to
me like this...  "Hi, I'm Jack. This is Kim, she's deaf."

"Oh.......   can she speak....."

Now why don't I just introduce a person to a blind
friend and say, "Hi, this is so-and-so, he's <put racial/ethnic term here>

Granted, none of the above is necessarily a handicap/difference in
the same way that lack of hearing is..  .

But why give people labels to hit you over the head?

My use of labels depends on the person I'm talking to.  And whether they
need to know right away, or later about the label.

Ah....  just a few thoughts on this very long long long thread.
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From: hirai@cc.swarthmore.edu (Eiji Hirai)
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Subject: Re: Openings Library
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:34:50 GMT
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loeb@geocub.greco-prog.fr writes:
> England         64      Lpl-Edi Edi-Nwg Lon-Nth
>                 32      Lpl-Yor Edi-Nwg Lon-Nth
>                 18      Lpl-Yor Edi-Nth Lon-Nwg

Hmm, I assume Lon-Nwg is really Lon-Eng, or else I've been in the dark about
a secret London-Norwegian corridor.

Eiji Hirai
hirai@cc.swarthmore.edu
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:38:08 +0200
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From:         Daniel LOEB <loeb@ORGANON.GRECO-PROG.FR>
Subject:      Openings Library

I would like to mention that the JUDGE openings library is now
completely up to date. It contains the Spring 1901 moves from 125
different Standard diplomacy games as well as many insightful
commentaries.

Please write to me if you would like a copy.

Here is the top 3 list for each country. (Just to give you a taste)

Country         Votes   Openings
-------         -----   --------
Austria         33      Bud-Ser Vie-Bud Tri-Alb
                33      Bud-Ser Vie-Tri Tri-Alb
                25      Bud-Ser Vie-Gal Tri-Alb

England         64      Lpl-Edi Edi-Nwg Lon-Nth
                32      Lpl-Yor Edi-Nwg Lon-Nth
                18      Lpl-Yor Edi-Nth Lon-Nwg

France          35      Mar-Spa Par-Bur Bre-MAO
                21      Mar S Par-Bur   Bre-MAO
                35      Mar-Spa Par-Pic Bre-MAO

Germany         33      Ber-Kie Mun-Ruh Kie-Den
                32      Ber-Kie Mun-Ruh Kie-Hol
                14      Ber-Kie Mun-Bur Kie-Den

Italy           17      Rom-Ven Ven-Trl Nap-Ion
                15      Rom-Apu Ven-Trl Nap-Ion
                14      Rom-Ven Ven-Pie Nap-Ion
                14      Rom-Apu Ven H   Nap-Ion

Russia          24      Mos-Ukr War-Gal Sev-Rum StP-Bot
                17      Mos-Ukr War-Gal Sev-Bla StP-Bot
                9       Mos-Stp War-Ukr Sev-Bla StP-Bot

Turkey          45      Con-Bul Smy-Con Ank-Bla
                29      Con-Bul Smy-Arm Ank-Bla
                28      Con-Bul Smy H   Ank-Con

Yours, Daniel Loeb                              loeb@geocub.greco-prog.fr
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:05:14 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Alan Rickman quote.

This quote _was_ by Alan Rickman in the original _Die Hard_.  He says it to
Mr. Takagi (?spelling?), just before the latter is grilled and killed.  But
I still don't know where the quote came from.

Jeff Clark
James Madison Univ.,
Media Resources
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:47:45 EDT
From:         Gayle Williams <GWILLIAM@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Manchurian Candidate

To add to Jeff Clark's note about MC's withdrawal from circulation, when
it was released on video a few years ago, various film critics (such as
Leonard Maltin, Siskel and Ebert) noted that it wasn't taken out of
circulation with respect to the Kennedy assassination but for legal reasons
owing to various claims of ownership.  When the problems were worked out,
the film was finally available to release on video.
Gayle Williams
University of Georgia Libraries
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From:         Debbie Scheibal <DPDS@SIUEMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Lynch

The concept of a prequel is fascinating..I can only hope that
the movie FIRE WALK WITH ME fares better than the last few episodes
of the television series TWIN PEAKS, because towards the end of the
series finding out who killed Laura Palmer just didn't seem as im-
portant anymore.

My personal favorite Lynch movie is WILD AT HEART.  Not as dark as
BLUE VELVET, but every bit as twisted.  Who can forget SherilynFinn
as the car accident victim, Diane Ladd lipsticking (can that be used as
a verb?) her face, and the inimitable Bobby Peru.  The supporting cast
made the movie, not to detract from Cage & Dern.

-lauri b
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 07:46:00 EDT
From:         Penny Ward <UNCPEW@UNC.BITNET>
Subject: Movie/video differences: Star Trek VI

Another instance of the video release being different from the
theatrical release of a movie:  Star Trek VI.  I watched the
video with my husband, who'd seen it in the theater.  During
one scene fairly early in the movie, Rene Auberjenois (sp?)
appears as a Federation officer--a scene not in the film.
And...

***SPOILER BELOW REVEALS ENDING OF STAR TREK VI*****


















******SPOILER************
In the climactic scene where the assassination attempt has just been
foiled and the Clingon or Romulan gunman killed, a mask is pulled off
the gunman to reveal that he's not an alien, but Federation officer
Auberjenois.  Again, my marital unit says that this was not in the film.

Can anyone confirm this?  I wonder why these very brief scenes were cut
from the film in its theatrical run?

--Penny
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From:         SASPDM@MVS.SAS.COM
Subject:      Re: Woody Allen
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> how much contact he's had with Soon Yi before the "affair" (if the stories
> are true) - I hope not much.
>
> This is all very depressing.

Don't be depressed, Peter.  Your doubt about what's "true" says it all:
we don't know.  Isn't the real shame that it has to be played out in
front of the world?

Priscilla
saspdm@mvs.sas.com
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From:         the Freshman Scott Huddle <huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Barbet Schroder filmography
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	Barfly
	More
	Reversal of Fortune (!!)
	Single White Female

-scott
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