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From: francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: CNN Reports...
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:03:20 GMT
Organization: IRCAM, Paris (France)

In article <1992Apr13.090051.5359@ircam.fr> fingerhu@ircam.fr (Michel Fingerhut) writes:
>PXP111@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>By far  the most emphatic things though, that took place (according to
>>the Americans here) is the opening of Euro-Disney in Paris...They
>>mentioned that some French people are not that happy with the
>>development.
>
>(Correction: it's not in Paris.  It's bad enough where it is).
>
>Not happy? And with good cause too.  The CBS newscaster, describing from France
>the opening of E-D exclaimed how at last there is a parcel of American land
>(and fantasy) now for good in Europe (or something to that effect).  Is it
>the effect of American troops leaving Germany...?
>
>At any rate, now tourists coming to see what France is all about can eat
>McDonalds hamburgers in Paris and go to see the wonders of culture in
>EuroDisney.

Thank god the Parisites can flee to the refuge of LaToya Jackson
entertaining along with Chippendales at the Moulin Rouge, or if that
is too much, then bask in the warm, sincere, talented high quality
entertainment value of either Sylvie Vartan or Johnny Halliday; that
is, if they aren't completely exhausted from a day dodging dog
droppings on the sidewalks everywhere, or a little breathless from
gasping in the highest carbon monoxide levels of any city anywhere (LA
included). I'm sure a few old Jerry Lewis movies on TV will brighten
up the day, if not, there are always the soporific and ludicrously
pornographic soft-pore corn interludes on later-evening television.
Soporific, I know, but something has to compete with the Valium, in a
country which has the highest rate of tranquilizer consumption per
capita. What?  You can't tell the difference between television and
film in France with your eyes closed, or open? Thank god you can fall
back on fashion, fabulous YSL monogrammed sweaters, ties, belts,
shoes, handbags, monogrammed and (in the US at least) K-Mart (yes!
KMart) quality "New Look". That is, if you don't gasp from how
fabulous Pierre Cardin competing things are. Or if you notice that all
the actually nice clothes are ... made in Italy? Well, I suppose I'm
being rude; It /IS/ too much to remark that in a culture where
goodspirited unpretentious fun requires a... pack of unfiltered
Gitanes, and sitting totally passive on the side of a street drinking
beer...

(smirk smirk)

But hey - have a nice day! It's a small small world, after all.


-- 
| Le Jojo: Fresh 'n' Clean, speaking out to the way you want to live
| today; American - All American; doing, a bit so, and even more so.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.french
From: blanc@caroli.csis.dit.csiro.au (Jacques Blanc-Talon)
Subject: Re: Euro Disney (was CNN Reports...)
Reply-To: blanc@caroli.csis.dit.csiro.au
Organization: CSIRO Division of Information Technology
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:50:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.164413@IRO.UMontreal.CA>, granado@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Bertrand Granado) writes:
> Sans etre anti-americain primaire, je n'ai pas envie d'ici quelque temps que
> les seules attractions francaise (voire mondiales) soit de bouffer de hamburgers
> et de s'eclater a voire une souris faire l'apologie du fric !!!!
> Excuse-moi mais Bravo a la C.G.T !!!!!
> 
> Bertrand.

  Tu es un peu extreme dans ton point de vue: as-tu deja ete a Disneyland ou
a Disneyworld ? C'est tres chouette (pour celui qui goute ce genre d'attractions
et ne fait pas de l'intellectualisme primaire). Et je ne crois pas que ce genre
de reaction puisse diminuer la consommation de hamburgers en France.

  Il etait surtout question de l'abus du droit de greve par la CGT et autres
syndicats. J'aurai toujours present a l'esprit ce salon des composants (ca
devait etre dans les annees 78-79, ou plus, c'etait deja a Villepinte) ou la
CGT Thomson foutait son bordel en defilant dans les stands, alors que devant
ceux des constructeurs japonais de microprocesseurs, les nippons regardaient 
cette manifestation en souriant. Et j'avais tres honte de constater que ces
asiatiques se divertissaient de notre faiblesse, qu'ils repartiraient chez eux 
avec le souvenir que nous n'etions pas industriellement matures, que nous avions
presente a une manifestation internationale notre plus mauvaise image.

  Bien sur, les CGT-istes et autres syndicalistes ont toujours ete d'avis
que l'ennemi (grand mot !) est a l'ouest. Ca fait toujours chier d'avoir
quelqu'un de plus fort, de plus riche, auquel on doit tout de meme sa liberte
nationale, et on aime bien lui rappeler qu'il a des torts, notamment en
s'ingerant plus ou moins illicitement dans les affaires des autres pays dans
le monde (je ne discute pas du tout ces torts). Alors, on cache tout cela en
disant qu'on fait du nationalisme, pour resister a l'emprise americaine. Mais
ce meme mot brandi se transforme en quelque chose d'honni et de honteux des
que l'on se tourne vers le sud ou le sud-est, vers l'orient. La, il n'y a plus
de discussion, car nous devons nous laisser faire.

	Jacques Blanc-Talon
*
From: peter@cs.vu.nl (Grunwald PD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: The nasty Kohl, was: EC membership of Sweden and Austria, and so WHAT ?
Date: 9 Apr 92 10:15:03 GMT

fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes:

>>>>>> "Grunwald" == Grunwald PD (peter@cs.vu.nl)

>Grunwald> You can cry around that Germany is becoming a superpower and
>Grunwald> that that is a bad thing, and that 'subtler than 50 years
>Grunwald> ago, not by tanks but by capitalist means' the Germans are
>Grunwald> slowly 'conquering' the East...

>As someone from a small nation, the question is: Are the Germans any
>worse than USA or Japan? Does it mean anything to me if the big
>economic influence comes from Germany rather than from the USA? Do I
>care if the big cooperation that own the local producer of mobile
>communications equipment is American or German?

>Personally, I would rather have the Germans. My cultural background is
>closer to theirs, and through the European Union I might actually have
>some kind of political instrument for dealing with them.

Exactly. The only way of dealing with the Japanese is either not buying their
products. Nobody will do this however, if the products are cheap and good,
..., or not importing their products, which in the long run will result in a
technological set-back.

>I find the strange that people are so scared about the Germans. Yeah,
>they have a less-than-glorious past (from Bismark to Hitler) but their
>is an even stronger force of German (or is it Germanic) culture that
>is extremely important to what we call the Western world, from Bach to
>to Strauss to G\"odel. The fact that non-German-inspired classical
>music is usually called national tells a tale of heavy German
>influence on European culture.

I think they are afraid, because, exactly like you stated in a previous
article, 'the germans have traditionally been acting while others are just
talking'

I think that this scares off many people - which is a sad thing, IMHO.

>The offer is this: Saki, McDonalds, or Bach? Make your choice.

Not quite fair, this, though I agree with you in general. The comparison
would rather be:

Whale Liver, McDonalds or BRATWURST, which is also less-than-glorious.



>/Lars
>--
>Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
>CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: puerta@mcs-next-10.stanford.edu (Angel Puerta)
Subject: NO CFV - Creation of a hierarchy in soc.culture.europe
Reply-To: puerta@camis.stanford.edu
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:27:58 GMT

===========================================================================

After a  discussion period of 25 days, there is widespread consensus that the  
creation of a hierarchy of groups in soc.culture.europe is not appropriate at  
this time.

Original RFD follows:

ON THE CREATION OF A SOC.CULTURE.EUROPE HIERARCHY

I propose the creation of a soc.culture.europe hierarchy that better  
reflects the political realities of the European geography as well as the  
interest of the readers of soc.culture.europe. Within the present format,  
there is a polarization of discussion topics with the poles set up by  
clear geographic boundaries. Unfortunately, discussions centered around  
one of the geographic poles seem to create little interest and a lot of  
antagonism from readers interested on discussions centered around the  
other pole. It is appropriate then to hierarchycally provide a venue for  
these two poles to discuss European issues that center around each of the  
poles without the perceived interference of the postings centered around  
the opposite pole.


Following are the proposed subgroups:

1. soc.culture.europe.western

This subgroup will follow the charter of soc.culture.europe but will  
concentrate on issues pertaining to countries geographically situated in  
Western Europe. These countries include those that are situated west, or  
mostly west, of the 16th Meridian east of Greenwich, and those countries  
for which the majority of their population lives west of the 16th Meridian  
east of Greenwhich. Under this description, the countries included in and  
forming the eastern boundary of soc.culture.europe.western from North to  
South are: Sweden, Germany, Austria, and Italy.

2. soc.culture.europe.eastern

This subgroup will follow the charter of soc.culture.europe but will  
concentrate on issues pertaining to countries geographically situated in  
Eastern Europe. These countries include those that are situated east, or  
mostly east, of the 16th Meridian east of Greenwich, and those countries  
for which the majority of their population lives east of the 16th Meridian  
east of Greenwhich. Under this description, the countries included in and  
forming the western boundary of soc.culture.europe.eastern from North to  
South are: Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Czechoslovakia,  
Hungary, Yugoslavia (Serbia), Albania, and Greece.

Issues pertaining to both sides of the soc.culture.europe can be  
crossposted.


--
Angel Puerta
puerta@camis.stanford.edu
From: cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: billion/milliard, was: English OR Esperanto?
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:44:16 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <A0bmn0gu@akb.in-berlin.de>, anson@akb.in-berlin.de writes:
>
>  The German word 'Million' is taken from the Italian 'millione' which is
>  derived from the Latin/Italian 'mille' (1000) by appending an 'enlarging-
>  suffix', giving the meaning 'big-thousand' without a fixed number associated
>  with it. This meaning spread from Italian to all European languages since

Not all. In Greek, million is called ekatommyrio; ekato=100 while myrrio
comes from myriada which now is not used, but in ancient Greek meant 10,000.

>    10^(2*6) :  BIllion         10^(2*6+3) : BIlliarde
>    10^(3*6) :  TRIllion        10^(3*6+3) : TRIlliarde
>Because of the direct correspondance of the powers and the names, I find
>this system quite logical and easy to learn.
>
>Do you have '<insert your own language> etymolgy' of these numbers ?

Greek:

   10^((0+2)*3)          ekatommyrio       100*10,000
   10^((1+2)*3)       disekatommyrio       dis=twice (here it means 2nd level)
   10^((2+2)*3)      trisekatommyrio       tris=thrice (3rd level)
   10^((3+2)*3)  tetrakisekatommyrio       tetrakis=four times (4th level)

True, this system does not permit you to see, for example, the number
dekapentakisekatommyrio [10^((14+2)*3)] since each level just adds three
zeros, unless you are familiar with the previous level. In practice,
however, such numbers are mentioned only for national budgets and debts
where you move up one level at a time and so you are familiar with the
previous.

>Why do other people use other systems with the word 'x-illion' for the
>power 10^((x+1)*3), which force people to learn the numbers (instead of

Because such systems match our number-writing habits. We put a comma or
a period or a little space every three digits.

>being able to 'see' them), and to learn twice as many prefixes (bi, tri,
>quad, etc) ?

Learning these prefixes in Greek is very easy; a few are irregular, but
most are formed with the suffix "-akis".

Constantinos A. Caroutas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: CNN Reports...
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:53:26 GMT
Organization: IRCAM, Paris (France)

In article <1992Apr14.081352.8958@ircam.fr> fingerhu@ircam.fr (Michel Fingerhut) writes:
>>Thank god the Parisites can flee to the refuge of LaToya Jackson
>               ---------
>a.k.a. Americans in Paris?

Yep.

-- 
| Le Jojo: Fresh 'n' Clean, speaking out to the way you want to live
| today; American - All American; doing, a bit so, and even more so.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.french
From: pkersale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Philippe Herve Kersale)
Subject: Re: Euro Disney (was CNN Reports...)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 22:24:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.161808@IRO.UMontreal.CA>, granado@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Bertrand Granado) writes:
......
|> |> 
|> |> Mais mordious!!! Je ne vois vraiment pas l'interet de defendre les americains
|> |> et de nier qu'ils representent une menace...
|> |> 
|> |> Claude...


Bravo! je supporte ton point de vue. Ca me fait penser a une phrase qui fera
sourire certains (ils se reconnaitront...) sur la Guerre Economique (et ses
officiers). Quoi qu'on en dise, on est en pleine guerre economique. Cela ne me
plait pas plus que ce soit contre les japonais que contre les americains.
Je ne supporte pas bien que lorsque la bourse de Wall Street (ou comme en ce
moment celle de Tokyo) tousse, les entreprises francaises n'embauchent plus.

philippe
Xref: sparky soc.culture.europe:3710 soc.culture.turkish:4177
From: ko@cns.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Model European City of the Year : Bursa, Turkiye.
Keywords: Bursa, Turkiye, Europe, Council of Europe
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:10:31 GMT
Organization: UMIST, Manchester, England.

From: Haluk DEMIRBAG <TEX5HAD@UK.AC.LEEDS.CMS1>
Subject: Bursa "Model European City"


 BURSA "MODEL EUROPEAN CITY"

Strasbourgh  (DGPI)- Bursa  has won  the council  of Europe  1991
"Model European City" award. At a  ceremony held on the first day
of  the   27th  "European  Local  and   Regional  Administrations
Permanent  Conference"  organized  within the  framework  of  the
Council of Europe, Bursa won the award for the best European city
of 1991.

At the ceremony held in the Council of Europe in Strasbourgh, the
diploma was presented  to the Metropolitan Mayor  of Bursa Teoman
Ozalp by Council of  Europe Environment and Local Administrations
Standing Commission Chairman.

The "European Award"  which was created by the  Council of Europe
in 1955, is given every year  to a European country that develops
friendly relations and holds the most cultural activities for the
integration of Europe.

In 1959 the European Award was given to Istanbul. Bursa which won
the 1991  award, is continuing  its 'sister city'  relations with
Darmstadt, Germany, Oulu,  Finland, Sarajevo, Yugoslavia, Multan,
Pakistan, Kairovan, Tunisia, Tiffin,  USA and Kutahya and Denizli
in Turkey.

Among  Bursa's cultural  activities,  the Bursa  Culture and  Art
Festival that brings together thousands  of young people is shown
as an example.

The "Model European City" award also includes an educational trip
for a group of youths from Bursa.

NEWSPOT, 26 March 1992
            _
|-| /-\ |_ |_| |<
Xref: sparky soc.culture.europe:3505 soc.culture.nordic:2605 eunet.politics:574
From: duncan@ossian.uucp (Duncan C Thomson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.nordic,eunet.politics
Subject: Re: EC membership of Sweden and Austria ?
Date: 6 Apr 92 11:35:14 GMT
Organization: SPD, Strathclyde University, Glasgow, Scotland

In eunet.politics, gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis) writes:
> [about the language problem in Europe]
>I think that the meaningful alternative is to promote the multi-
>lingualism, instead of throwing out the "gold" which we have
>(an already established international language, that is english).

There are several solutions to the langauge problem in Europe, which is
growing as more nations look towards European union.

Multilingualism would be the best, but costs a *lot* of money and time.
And what happens when a Scot who speaks English, Gaelic, Italian and German
meets a Catalan who speaks Catalan, Spanish, Portugese and French - nobody
can speak every language.

Adopting a national language (or perhaps a small number of national
languages) as standard is another solution, less expensive in time and
money, but it *is* unfair.  And no union should be built on unfairness.

The third solution is to adopt an easy, neutral auxiliary language.  It is
fair, it is cheapest in terms of time and money.  Many people oppose this
on the grounds that it is `artificial'.

The language problem in Europe *must* be solved, and it will worsen as time
progresses.  It is a *big* problem.  It needs a powerful, cheap, fair and
intelligent solution.

The majority of people will agree on the above.  Below this line, they will
probably begin to disagree.

I believe that Esperanto is the best solution.

It is the most widely spoken auxiliary language in the world - spoken by
millions of people worldwide - estimates vary from 2 million to 20 million.

It is proven to work - at the world Esperanto congress thousands of people
from all over the world meet and discuss a huge variety of topics, without
a single interpreter.

It is easy to learn - between 4 and 10 times as easy as national languages -
so it would take less time and money to teach it to everybody in the world
than English, Mandarin or Spanish.

It is fair - it belongs to no nation, religion or race.

It is outward-looking - it is spoken not only in Europe, but across the
world - from Nigeria to Nepal, from the USA to China.


You can find out more about Esperanto from your national Esperanto
organisation, who will probably organise courses or recommend books.
There is an e-mail course on the net.  There is an Esperanto newsgroup.

Try it - you might be surprised!

Mail me if you would like any more information.

	-Duncan
Xref: sparky soc.culture.europe:3822 soc.culture.french:3161
From: goudal@alize.Greco-Prog.FR (Frederic GOUDAL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: Euro Disney (was CNN Reports...)
Date: 16 Apr 92 07:06:55 GMT
Organization: Laboratoire Bordelais de Recherche en Informatique

In article <1992Apr14.235044.29039@csis.dit.csiro.au>, blanc@caroli.csis.dit.csiro.au (Jacques Blanc-Talon) writes:
|> que l'ennemi (grand mot !) est a l'ouest. Ca fait toujours chier d'avoir
|> quelqu'un de plus fort, de plus riche, auquel on doit tout de meme sa liberte
|> nationale, et on aime bien lui rappeler qu'il a des torts, notamment en


Et oui Jacques Blanc-Talon aime faire les comptes, donc :
La france doit sa liberte aux americains.
Donc dans 3500 ans nous seront toujours redevables ????

C'est vrai que quand les americains ont debarques en 17 a la Pointe de
Grave, ils ont dit "Lafayette nous voila !!" donc ils anulaient la
dette du 18eme siecle. Donc comme ils sont revenus en 1940 on leur
doit pour toujours l'allegeance, aille aille aille, dit, a ce prix,
Jacques, je veux bien te filer dix sacs, si tu doit m'en etre
reconnaissant jusqu'a la 7eme generation !!!!

Je crois aussi savoir que les americains avaient quelques interets a
lutter contre les forces de l'Axe. (Bon c'est vrai, ils auraient pu
s'en tenir au Japon qui etait le plus menacant).

Sinon sur le plan de la critique des etats unis, je crois qu'il faut
etablir un contre pouvoir pour que le systeme continue de fonctioner.

Sinon les asiatiques se marraient en voyant la CGT defiler, peut-etre,
mais pendant ce temps la les etudiants japonais se suicident, et les
cadres meurrent de surmenage. Pendant ce temps la, les autres
asiatiques etaient payes au lance pierre pour assembler ces
composants. 

Je crois que le plus grand reproche que je ferais aux syndicats, c'est
leur corporatisme. Jamais une branche d'un syndicat ne s'est
interessee aux petits copains. Donc la CGT faisait greve pour Thomson,
mais ne s'interessait pas aux camarades asiatiques. "Proletaires de
tous les pays unissez vous". 

Quant a Euro Disney, ben moi ce qui me fiat le plus rire c'est la
formidable reduction accordee pour le 2eme jour : 25F !!!! (sur 225)


a ciao.
babbs.


-- 

goudal@geocub.greco-prog.fr          "Why can't we reach the sun?"
oral-mail : babbs			 Pink Floyd
From: ST101019@brownvm.brown.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Please help with Journals!
Date: 17 Apr 1992 05:30:46 GMT
Organization: Brown University
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Disclaim1: Brown University accepts no responsibility for the
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News-Software: tBRUNO v0.9

I have to write a paper on the far right in Germany and I am desperately
searching for the following journal articles.

1) FEIST, Ursula : Rechtsparteien in Vormarsch : Gruende fuer ihre Wahlerfolge
from Gegenwartskunde Volume 38 Issue 3 ; 1989 ; 321-330

2) DOERRE, Klaus : Die imaginaere Revolte Jugendlichen und Rechtsextremismus
from Blaetter fuer deutsche und internationale Politik Volume 34 Issue 10
October 1989 ; 1220-1235

3) NIEDERMAYER, Oskar : Sozialstruktur, Politische Orientierungen und die
Unterstuetzung extrem rechter Parteien in Westeuropa
from Zeitschrift fuer Parlamentsfragen Volume 21 Issue 4 December 1990 ;
564-582

4) BETZ, Hans-Georg : Radikal rechtspopulistische Parteien in Westeuropa
from Aus Politik und Zeitgeschichte Volume 44 ; 25 October 1991 ; 3-14

5) I somehow don't have the name of this one but it's from a journal
called Politische Vierteljahresschrift Volume 31 Issue 3 ; September 1990.
If you have this journal in your university library, it probably wouldn't
be too difficult to find the one article inside that deals with the
German right wing.

I can't believe that the Brown library doesn't have any of this stuff. I
have tried to get it through interlibrary loan but it's taking too long and
I need this stuff as soon as I can. So please, if any of you has any of
these journals in your libraries, and are kind enough to xerox a copy
for me, I will be ever grateful and will do the same for you if you
are ever in the same straits.

Please mail me if you are nice enough to do this for me, and I'll send you
my mail address. I need it *soon* so I hope there are some kind souls out
there!

A German Studies Student in Distress,
Su-Lyn
Xref: sparky soc.culture.europe:3791 soc.culture.french:3107
From: muller@src.dec.com (Eric Muller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: Euro Disney (was CNN Reports...)
Keywords: greve
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:27:12 GMT
Reply-To: muller@src.dec.com (Eric Muller)
Organization: DEC Systems Research Center

In article <1992Apr14.003949.18714@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, luzeaux@campanile.berkeley.edu (Dominique Luzeaux) writes:
> In article <1992Apr13.234734.21792@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
> pkersale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Philippe Herve Kersale) writes:
> |> Cependant pour une fois, je ne lance pas la pierre a la CGT, car
> ainsi on a vu
> |> CNN dire que les francais n'acceuillent pas tous de bon coeur ce park
> (Asterix
> |> ou es tu?). Ca ne fait pas de mal aux americains de savoir qu'ils n'ont pas
> |> toujours tout vrai.
> 
> C'est assez lamentable que la CGT ait fait greve,

Tu trouves normal que le droit francais du travail ne s'applique pas a
Euro Disney ?  

-- 
Eric.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe