HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (C Squared)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Absolutely Horrific Red Sox-Indians Game
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:23:30 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Originator: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu

In article <14AUG199210431896@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov> ecaxron@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Graham) writes:
>
>The Red Sox payroll is up around $35M, which in and of itself is not such
>a big deal, except for payment for non-performance (e.g. Matt Young, and
>do people feel they are getting enough bang for the buck out of Danny
>Darwin, Jack Clark, Bruno, etc?).  These big buck players take up space
>on the roster that IMPO inhibits the development of reasonably good 
>younger players.
>
I agree with all that except for Bruno.  He's been playing well, and on days
that Clemens doesn't pitch he is carrying the team (not very far mind you but...
And I don't tink he's making quite as much as those other stiffs.  He is
certainly producing more.

C Squared
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: [baseball] baseball is difficult to evolve
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:29:31 GMT
Reply-To: msw10@nepenthe.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article AA06248@efi.com, chungdan@LELAND.STANFORD.EDU () writes:
>
>     Baseball is difficult to control.  You throw and you hit, and
>everyone else runs.  With basketball, you have better control of
>where the ball (or whatever is the concentration of the game) goes.
>
>     As a result, it is difficult to learn from previous moves.  And also,
>there is much less interaction between different players. ...
>
>						*Zhong* Qi-Iao, U.S.A.

So what?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: brianm@engrg.uwo.ca (Mr. Brian McNeilly)
Subject: Re: infield fly II ?
Organization: DA&MRL, Engineering, UWO, London Ont. CA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:44:17 GMT

In article <92225.225402U43461@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U43461@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
|> Ok, thanks to all who helped me understand the rule. This may seem stupid but
|> I have another question about the rule. How far back to the outfield can a
|> popup be called an infieldfly? It sounds wierd but lets say the infielder runs
|> out to shallow or even mid-outfield area to catch a popup. Can the umpire still
|>  call it an infield fly? Is there a certain distance before it can't be called
|> that?
|> 
|> John
|> u43461@uicvm.uic.edu

It all depends on the particular umpire's definition of an ordinary or routine catch. The
rule requires that the pop fly require "routine effort" from an infielder to make the catch.
I suppose it would depend on the particular infielder's ability in the eyes of the umpire.
For example, in the little league games that I ump I would rule anything still in the infield
(ie. not on the grass) to be an infield fly if it was high enough since the little guys don't
have much range. I would say in MLB that guys like Robbie Alomar could catch a pop well onto
the grass with "ordinary" effort. This is one of those "grey area" rules that requires a
judgement call from the umpires.

Brian McNeilly, London, Ontario
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Oriole News -
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 17:26:14 GMT

In article <86333@netnews.upenn.edu> blankman@sel2.hep.upenn.edu (Alan Blankman) writes:

>Give me Eddie for Milligan, any day. I'd take back the Glenn Davis deal, too.
>All we've seen from Davis is a lot of injury and a brief spurt of hitting 
>recently.  Schilling is doing great with the Phils - 10-7, 2.68 ERA as of 8/11.
>Harnisch is in the Unlucky pitchers list (see article 82723), and Finley is doing 
>just fine with his 11 triples...

I don't think anyone will hesistate at taking Finley, Harnisch, and Schilling
back for Glenn Davis, but why do you want to take Murray back for Milligan?
Murray is having a subpar year for a first baseman, while Milligan's is above
average, even when accounting for the park differences.  And Murray is 6 years
older than Milligan.

Or is this a case of "I want my hero back, no matter how old or how bad he
has become"?

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: savoy@hg.uleth.ca (Jim Savoy)
Subject: Re: Expos...Updates.
Reply-To: savoy@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:40:39 GMT


> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:

>Could any Expos fan post the game to game descriptions of
>the upcoming Expos series with the Braves and the Reds.

Would you like to join the Expos mailing list instead? I don't run it, but if
you send me mail I'll get you a subscription.

 _____________________________________________________________________________
     Jim Savoy          University Of Lethbridge         savoy@hg.uleth.ca

 Commander: Have we bombed anywhere? Have we shown 'em we got teeth?
 Agent:     Oh yes, sir. We've bombed a lot of places flat, sir.
 Commander: Good. Good. We don't want anyone to think we're chicken.
 Agent:     Oh no! They don't think that, sir. Everyone's really scared of us.
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From: hora@ecf.toronto.edu (HO ROBERT ANDREW)
Subject: Re: Dream Team
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:38:05 GMT

>
>BTW, who was the last AL pitcher to allow fewer than 1 baserunner per
>inning (while still qualifying for the ERA title)?  Any guesses?
>
>Cheers,
>-Valentine
>-- 
>Ob. woof: Clemens is the best pitcher ever!	tedward@cs.cornell.edu


Bret Saberhagen?

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From: cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: David Cone - no way!
Date: 15 Aug 92 20:15:09 GMT
Organization: Priests of the Temples of Syrinx



In <16683lINNa85@malibog.hal.COM> rc@hal.COM (Rolland Crunk) writes:

>>Get rid of David Cone, Jack Mcdowell and Kevin Brown.. Give Me 
>>John Smoltz, Steve Avery and Greg Maddux.. They are all a lot
>>better this year than the pitchers you mentioned, although the chief 
>>mediot stat, wins that is, are not better than the guys you mentioned..

>Are you serious? David Cone is probably the *best* pitcher in either
>league; McDowell is no slouch either. The only substitution that you
>suggest that makes even a little sense is Smoltz for Brown. Maddux?
>No way.

OK......Maddux has a lower ERA than McDowell, a better K to BB ratio
(I am 99.99% sure), and he does it playing for a team that (at least
this year) has given him terrible run support.

David Cone....he is one of the best pitcher in the NL, but do you
really think he is better than Clemens? If so, than you are suffering
from a bad case of Met-Fan-Delusions (you HAVE to be a Mets fan, because
no impartial person thinks Cone is the best in all baseball).

Anyway, Clemens wins more games, K's as many people, but walks a lot
less, had a lower ERA, and plays in a smaller park on a weaker team.
I don't have exact numbers to back me up (somebody can do a detailed 
statistical comparision if they wish), but plain baseball sense
says that Clemens is better than Cone.

>>
>>>RP	Dennis Eckersley, Norm Charlton, Lee Smith, Rick Aguilera
>>
>>No arguement here..
>>
>>--
>>______________________________________________________________________________
>>                       Still looking for Luthien
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>>______________________________________________________________________________


>// Rolland Crunk
>// HaL Computer Systems 
>// rc@hal.com

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From: clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bill Coleman)
Subject: Re: bye bye san fran!!! hello tampa bay
Reply-To: clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Department of Economics
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:09:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.201747.17702@sybus.com> jon@sybus.com (Jon Pessano) writes:
>
>also, i am sure the tampa bay baseball group
>and lurie would not have gone public and 
>called a done deal unless they were positive
>it would happen.  neither lurie or tampa bay
>wants to make an ass out of themselves.
>

I'm not usually a flame artist but, speaking as a White Sox fan, I must say
that Tampa Bay has already accomplished this feat.  First, the local politicos
built a dome and then started hunting down teams.  Bad, bad form.  Whay I'd
really like to know, though, is why the Tampa-St Pete area requires a dome
in any case, much less the Suncoast Monstrosity which is apparently barely
fit for tractor pulls.



-- 
Bill Coleman
clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Sunday, 16 Aug 1992 22:07:27 EDT
From: Ryan Robbins <IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: *OWNERS WILL APPROVE SALE OF GIANTS

On ESPN radio a few minutes ago it was announced that a recent poll
of major league owners shows that three NL owners would vote against
the sale of the Giants. The three teams were Colorado, Pittsburgh, and
San Diego. In the American League, only two owners have said they will
reject the sale: California and Texas.

I don't like the idea of moving major league sports franchises. But
unless San Francisco investors can put a deal together, I see no
problem with the Giants moving to Tampa Bay (with exception to the
fact that they'll be playing in a dome with artificial turf).

+===============================================================+
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: a-markov@microsoft.com (Mark Overby)
Subject: Re: E-mail baseball leagues
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:33:09 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation


DITTO!!!!!

An E-mail league would be GREAT!!! (hint, hint)

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: larrow@novell.com (Les Arrow)
Subject: Real League (E-Mail Fantasy League)
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, California
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:00:00 GMT

I have sent replies through e-mail to all who replied to my original post.
If you do not receive an e-mail message within the next day, one of two
things have occurred. Either my electronic mailer isn't working properly
or your address bounced. Please let me know if you do not receive an
e-mail message.

For those who are interested in joining a stat-based, fantasy league over
e-mail and did not reply to my original post, this is a second chance.

Take care.

--Les
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From: savoy@hg.uleth.ca (Jim Savoy)
Subject: Re: Status of Brian Harvey, anyone?
Reply-To: savoy@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:24:15 GMT


> bobhurt@carson.u.washington.edu (Bob Hurt) writes:

>In this weeks USA Today Baseball Weekly, Brian Harvey is not listed
>on the Angel's DL, nor is he listed in the team stats area.  As far
>as I can tell, he isn't mentioned anywhere.

>I picked up Joe Grahe a while back and I'm curious as to where Harvey
>is.  Does anybody have an idea?

He has had an inflamed elbow for most of the summer and yesterday underwent
arthroscopic elbow surgery, so you might as well wait till next year...

 _____________________________________________________________________________
     Jim Savoy          University Of Lethbridge         savoy@hg.uleth.ca

 Commander: Have we bombed anywhere? Have we shown 'em we got teeth?
 Agent:     Oh yes, sir. We've bombed a lot of places flat, sir.
 Commander: Good. Good. We don't want anyone to think we're chicken.
 Agent:     Oh no! They don't think that, sir. Everyone's really scared of us.
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From: sullis@aix.rpi.edu (Sean C. Sullivan)
Subject: Willie Randolph
Followup-To: sullis@rpi.edu
Summary: Randolph injured
Keywords: Mets, Randolph
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:49:07 GMT
Expires: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 04:00:00 GMT


I believe that I heard that Willie Randolph injured
himself today.
I don't have any details.


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From: mgriffin@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Mark Griffin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Status of Brian Harvey, anyone?
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:56:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

bobhurt@carson.u.washington.edu (Bob Hurt) writes:

>In this weeks USA Today Baseball Weekly, Brian Harvey is not listed
>on the Angel's DL, nor is he listed in the team stats area.  As far
>as I can tell, he isn't mentioned anywhere.

>I picked up Joe Grahe a while back and I'm curious as to where Harvey
>is.  Does anybody have an idea?

In the Injury Report in the USA today it mentioned that Harvey would be having
elbow surgery.  Can't remember if it was arthroscopic or not, but did say he
would miss the remainder of the season.

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From: msb2f@hagar1.acc.Virginia.EDU (Michael Scott Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Pete Harnisch -- what happened?
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:32:09 GMT
Reply-To: msb2f@hagar1.acc.Virginia.EDU (Michael Scott Brown)
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <86068@netnews.upenn.edu>, blecher@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
(Icarus P. Anybody) writes:
|> I see that Pete Harnisch only pitched 2/3 of an inning last night,
but the
|> paper here didn't even mention it.  So what happened?  Is he injured?
|> 
|> Oh, and is Chris Sabo on the DL now, or is he just day-to-day?
|> 
|> Any info greatly appreciated.
|> 
|> 	- Mitch
|> 

	Unfortunately, It is not an MRI, but arthroscopic surgery for Harvey. 
Here is the posting from clari.sports.baseball:

	ANAHEIM, Calif. (UPI) -- Bryan Harvey, the California Angels' top
reliever over the past four seasons, will undergo an exploratory
arthroscopic exam on his right elbow Friday, the club announced
Tuesday.
	Harvey twice this season spent time on the disabled list due to his
elbow ailment. The 28 year-old right-hander tried twice in over the
last
few days to pitch on the sidelines, but had to stop because of pain.
	Harvey will undergo surgery at Centinela Hospital in Inglewood.
	Harvey, who set a club record with 46 saves in 1991, is 0-4 with 13
saves and a 2.83 earned run average in 25 games this season.
From: maher@yin.uucp (Kevin Maher)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Royce Clayton
Keywords: giants
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:54:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: network.1714akINN981
Organization: UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: yin.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Aug20.201344.20078@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> ashe@royalt.enet.dec.com () writes:
>
>How did the Giants create a roster spot for Clayton?
>

	By trading Gil Heredia, an unproven middle reliever who's been up and
down for a year or three, for a _single A_ second baseman named Jenkins who
had 4 HR and 45 RBI in 22 games.  But that's in A.  The only reasonable
explanation I have heard was that the Giants won't have to protect Jenkins 
while they probably would have either protected or lost Heredia in the 
expansion draft.
	Clayton was 2-4 yesterday with an RBI or two, BTW.

	Kevin Maher
	maher@yin.ucsd.edu

	IGPP, Scripps Institution of Oceanography
	UC San Diego
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From: sullis@aix.rpi.edu (Sean C. Sullivan)
Subject: NL:  Dykstra injured
Followup-To: sullis@rpi.edu
Summary: Dykstra out for the season
Keywords: NL, injury, broken hand, Dykstra, Phillies
Organization: Rotisserie Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 21:02:33 GMT
Expires: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 04:00:00 GMT


I heard that Lenny Dykstra fractured his hand on Saturday (8/15)
and is expected to be out for the rest of the year.
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From: eric@markov.eedsp.gatech.edu (Eric Hyche)
Subject: Re: ROTO software
Organization: Georgia Inst. of Tech - DSP - Atlanta, Ga
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:23:58 GMT

In article <501@ssdc.UUCP> cmac@ssdc.UUCP (Chris McNeilly) writes:
>
>I recently moved and had to abandon my computer at school and
>now I can't get the PD software I found to run on the new machine.
>I haven't been able to update standings for about a month and all
>of the GM's are about ready to kill me!
>
>What I need are recommendations of ROTO software, preferably PD but
>commercial is fine too.  My only limitation is that I can't get to
>a Mac.  PC, UNIX, even Amiga is fine.  
>
>There's nothing worse than incurring a GM's wrath.  Especially when
>it's justified.  In the name of Humanity, somebody help me!
>
>Thanks,
>
>Chris 
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>
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I'm the secretary of our league and we use SpinStats from Faulkner
Strategics. There are several reasons we chose to use this software:

1) Close relationship between SpinStats and the stat service
we use: Quik Stats of Duluth, GA.

2) Ran under DOS - the type we needed.

3) Had everything we needed - online updating, quick transactions,
and nice reports.

4) Greg Faulkner lives only about 2 miles from me and he has
been very good about support for the software.

I also got a demo disk from Diamond Pro, but I preferred SpinStats.

(These are both commercial products and both around $50).

Hope it helps!

Eric Hyche
eric@eedsp.gatech.edu
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From: lws@sparc1.ee.ncku.edu.tw (WenHsiang Lin)
Subject: PTP's email address
Organization: National Cheng Kung University
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 10:44:56 GMT
X-Posted-From: sparc1.ee.ncku.edu.tw
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

I would like to pursue PTP. Could anyone tell me the email address of the
organization that distribute PTP provided there is one. I would like to
know whether they accept overseas ordering. Thank you in advance.

WenHsiang Lin
Taiwan

Internet address NCKUS202@TWNMOE10.EDU.TW
From: 11dmcvay@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Daniel T. McVay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: PTP (ongoing discussion on this game)
Date: 13 Aug 92 06:23:41 GMT
Organization: Gallaudet University

In article <1992Aug13.010315.4265@terminator.cc.umich.edu>, rdunkle@engin.umich.edu (R. M. Dunkle) writes:
> 
> 
> 	- PTP PC Baseball (the official title) is for IBM and compatibles
> 
> 	- It does accumulate stats throughout a season, and at any point
> during a game you can see a player's "real", season (simulation), and game
> stats. The main game screen (where the plays happen) shows the player
> who's at bat's "real" and season stats, in a short form. And, of course, 
> there's the "Reports" feature, which lets you show leaders in many many 
> categories, plus team-by-team stats, either for "real" or season stats.
> 
> 	- Version 4.0 includes a scheduling feature, which allows you to
> play from a schedule, have the computer play the games for the non-human-
> controlled teams, etc. The game comes with 1991's AL and NL schedules, but
> doesn't have a facility for automatically generating schedules. It has 
> a feature which lets you put one together via menu, choosing date, teams, 
> and number of games for each series. 
> 	I imagine the next version will have an auto0schedule generator.
> 	I've been meaning to write a quick C program to make schedules, but
> haven't gotten around to it. They're stored as text files, so they aren't
> hard to make.

Thank you very much for your ongoing patience with me as I question you
from top to bottom about this game. It looks like I'm going to buy it
as soon as I can get my cash. 

And if you're going to make a quick C program to autogenerate schedules,
could you at least send me a copy as well? I assume it will be portable
as well to the VAX/VMS system(I've been told many C programs are portable).

Also, since I am fairly new in the duties of a Commissioner running 
a league, could there be any advice you'd suggest? Even if you've never
been a Commish, you might have some point of view from the GM's 
perspective.

Does anyone here have a rulebook for a 'simulation' league that I can
lay my hands on and edit to my preferences in my league?

Daniel Mcvay	11dmcvay@gallua.gallaudet.edu	11dmcvay@gallux.gallaudet.edu
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From: rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez)
Subject: Re: Is Kevin Brown gonna make it to he end?
Keywords: eat more moose
Organization: The Hosequarium South
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:19:30 GMT

In article <BsxH0u.JGH@world.std.com>, jle@world.std.com (Joe M Leonard) writes:
|> 
|> I've not seen himm pitch - is he having a bad streak or is he losing his stuff
|> in the heat and with Texas out of it?  He had great numbers, but they're
|> fading rather quickly.  Should I hope for anything from this guy??
|> 
|> Joe Leonard
|> jle@world.std.com

Two things:

1) Kevin is famous over the last few seasons for starting hot and
   finishing poorly.  Every year about this time, the papers and
   such say that he's burned out and tired.  sigh.

2) The Rangers are even more famous over the last twenty-or-so years
   for stinking the place up after the all star break.  This year
   is like the others...no power (ok, Juan went on a brief hot streak),
   and just plain NO HITTING.  Last time I checked, no one on the
   team with more than 30 ABs had an average over .290.  none.  zero.

Put one and two together and KB isn't going to do well...
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