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From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado's Amendment 2
Date: 6 Nov 92 09:39:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Nov6.093952.18688
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR


>There are Air Force bases in Colorado.  Lowry AFB in Denver

Which is being closed down.  

>and the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs.

This is the big one.  Colorado Springs has Five military installations,
the Air Force Academy, Petersonfield, Fort Carson, Cheynne Mountain and
a thingy out northeast of the city!  They are very dependent on federal
funding!  Soooooo.


>  How does
>(not yet) President-Elect Clinton feel about that?  What
>would happen to Colorado Springs if he should, say, move
>the school to another state?  Lowry is mostly an education
>base as well, that's where I went to Tech School.  I suppose
>the government could save *lots* of money if they consolidated
>two training bases, say Lowry and Colorado Springs into
>Nellis AFB, NV, which is also a training base.


He could do all of this in the name of "defense cuts" and he 
wouldn't even have to say "gay" when he axed a base or two!  
Don't you just love the back door way of fucking people?

>
>After all, Melinda, one should suggest solutions as well.  ;>
>
>
>Shawn
>
Melinda has a wonderful solution!!!  Boycott Colorado!!!!
From: tdober@llnl.gov (TDO)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Twice Fucked (Colorado gays)
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:22:20 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: llnl

In article <1992Nov10.042538.22775@netcom.com>, solovay@netcom.com (Andrew
M. Solovay) wrote:

[...]

> Meow! Someone got up on the wrong side of life this morning. You
> ought to give some kind of warning to these postings; you know,
> something like "Summary: Attitude Queen on the rag... Proceed
> with caution". (How's that for flamebait?)

Well, isn't that special.

Andrew M. Solovay doesn't like something Bob Donahue posted, and therefore
compares him to a menstruating woman.

Delightful.



> Andrew M. Solovay	    "Until there was rock, you only had God."


TDO
--
#include "StdDisclaimer.h"

Pain, like time, is going to come on regardless. Question is, what glorious
moments can you win from life in addition to the pain? -- Lois McMaster
Bujold, _Barrayar_
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glenns@tronsbox.xei.com (Glenn S.)
Subject: Re: ***Accessories!!!***
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:40:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.124702.15078@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>>What's your favorite kind? Handbags? Belts? Shoes? Watches? Jewelry?
>>Any favorite pieces?
>
>I like to see the jewelry on the bureau, the clothes in a
>heap at the foot of the bed, and to be accessorized by big
>strong men who may or may not being thinking about Proust or
>Bach or group theory but won't want to discuss it until
>later.

Hmm.... I can deal with the first two, but the last one would have to know
something about quantum mechanics... (I like having deep discussions, among
deep-other-things.. ;} )... or at least enjoy fantasy/sci-fi as much as I do.
 
>As for me personally, my favorite accessory is solitude in a
>hundred square miles of forest and mountain.

Ooh.. I can cope.... unfortunately I live in NJ... which means "Forest, forest,
what is forest?"

>Imelda of Madison counted up the other day and did manage to
>find 31 pairs of shoes.  Seems a bit excessive, especially
>since I wear the same old beat-up Reeboks about 90% or 95%
>of the days.  Soon it will be time for the cold-weather
>clodhoppers.
>
(Grin) I think I have one pair of sneaks, one pair of (very very) dead 
docksiders, and a pair of (yuck) dress shoes.  I need more shoes.. eh.  Someday.

B*B
Glenn


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From: cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Social Democracy
Date: 5 Nov 1992 18:58:16 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu

ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble) writes:


>3. I don't know enough about Sarver to decide whether I would want to
>meet him. What I do know is that he has been unjustly accused of being
>homophobic merely because he made the observation that the media focuses
>on a certain segment of the GLB community not viewed in great esteem by
>the public at large when the media cover gay pride parades (This is an
>observation which has been made, incidentally, by a number of GLB
>activist groups as well), and that he personally is not attracted to
>individuals who exhibit those characteristics.

>However, I'd be delighted to meet another one of your betes noires,
>Matthew Melmon. He has a delicious sense of humor and he runs rings
>around you in your exchange of articles with him.

>4. I doubt that i would want to meet Clayton; however, I have exchanged
>articles with him on past occasions.>>

Point 4 is rather startling.  You appear to have so much in 
common.

>        =Jack=


Nevertheless, birds of a feather..........


Colburn Eigen                                  H|u> = E|u>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mudge@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (MUDGE BRIAN WAYNE)
Subject: Re: CO2 and the military ban
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:38:03 GMT

In article <thaaang.721551625@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>If Clinton lifts the ban, will CO2 make it unconstitutional
>in the state of Colorado for the ban to be lifted?

   Nope.  The lifting of the ban dosen't necessarily mean that the army won't
be able to discriminate against gays.  It just means that they won't be able
to resort to written policy to do so. (which, in the military, is everything)
  CO2 would mean that a homosexual ousted from the military after the ban was
lifted would not be able to seek recourse in the state courts.  As far as I
know, they can't do this anyway, as the army is in the federal jurisdiction
when not in its own military courts.

                           Bri....



Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Bryan J. Blumberg <bjb@macsch.com>
Subject: Re: Boycott official?
X-Xxdate: Wed, 11 Nov 92 17:54:01 GMT
Organization: Systems Integration Branch
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 18:00:11 GMT

Perhaps at this weekend's 5th Annual Creating Change Conference at
the Los Angeles Airport Hilton, with activists from across the USA
converging to discuss where the lesbian, gay and bisexual movement
should proceed for 1993, the topic of a boycott or other action regarding
Colorado's Amendment #2 will be discussed.

Since no minority group is able to "officially" state the position
of their group as a whole, I don't see why the lgb community should be
expected to do that either.  I guess since the editor's of the Advocate
are going to call for a boycott, you could say that the Advocate has
officially called for a boycott.  But, they are not the lgb community,
just a part of it.  I am sure that even if the Creating Change Conference
voted at a plenary meeting to have a boycott, that would also mean only
that a majority of the Creating Change participants wanted one, but
not that the lgb community wanted one.

Similarly, when Donald Wildmon's American Family Association calls for
a boycott, that does not mean that the Religious Right has officially
called for anything.  They're just a little bit more unified in following
the direction of their self-appointed leaders.  (Or shall I call them
sheepish?)

========================================
Bryan  J. Blumberg, The MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation
815 Colorado Boulevard, Los Angeles, California  90041-1777
(213) 259-4914, B_BLUMBERG@MACSCH.COM
From: tal691@huxley.anu.edu.au (Tonio Loewald)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Morrisey (Was: LESBIGAY Musicians)
Date: 7 Nov 92 13:39:07 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.2.12

A suedhead is a skinhead who has ket his/her hair grow out (a little). More
like a number 3 than a number one.

You can never wear too much black :).

Peter Johnston

-- 
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From: charlie@isis.mit.edu (Charlie Fulton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: White Trash Bashing
Date: 8 Nov 92 21:24:55 GMT
     <1992Nov6.005843.2097@news.Hawaii.Edu> <1992Nov6.001702.8730@netcom.com>
     <BxAzn3.3u5@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>
Organization: Ctr for Advanced Rsrch in Oppressive Binarisms
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1

In article <1992Nov04.161938.4381@lloyd.Camex.COM> 
John Duesenberry, johnd@lloyd.Camex.COM writes:
>... because (the republican party leadership) thought 
>a little race-baiting would pick up some support
>from the white-trash/trailer park sector of the
>electorate.

"White-trash/trailer park", huh?

Nothing like a little class-baiting to play into the
stereotype of homosexuals being uniformly 
well-off and arrogant about it.

People are discriminated against and fucked over
on the basis of economic class _all the time_.  And
sometimes, just sometimes, these people are smart,
talented and fair-minded.

Caste discrimination is illegal in India.  Of course it 
still goes on, but a class discrimination law won't ever
exist in America because, well, class boundaries don't
really exist in the land of opportunity.

This idea that all caucasian members of the lower-middle 
and lower classes are sexists, racists, anti-Semites and
homophobes won't win the Cause any converts.  There
are people of promise who are quite firmly kept in their
place because, for class reasons, they simply "don't
fit into" whatever improved work environment they're
striving towards.

I've come across over a dozen people who went to speech
therapists to eviscerate their regional accents so they could
more easily get ahead.  Now why is this?

Not everyone who voted yes for CO:2 is a homophobe.  I'm
sure many of them thought, "I'm never going to be protected
against class discrimination so why the fuck should I give
that _special privelege_ to homosexuals?"

And these people are not going to be convinced they were
wrong by being called "white trash".

Hope this helps!

Charlie
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson, Buchanan, Helms, VOTE!!!
Organization: International Irony League -- Death before smileys!
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:17:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.213450.4701@netcom.com> gustav@netcom.com (Robert Fries) writes:
>For several days before the Houston convention, C-SPAN broadcast the
>Republican National Platform Committee meetings.  I saw how people
>with differing views were treated -- personally attacked, and
>ridiculed.  I began to realize that my own views (smaller government,
>greater civil liberties, etc..) no longer were represented at all.

Yes, the platform committee's behavior was disgraceful. Yes the
platform that resulted was a travesty. Yes, the party should be
held accountable.

However: When the president belongs to a party, the party is
pretty much under his control (at least in matters like this).
Bush stacked the platform committe with the beady-eyed
Christians, and the platform was the predictable result. Now that
Bush is out, there'll be a fight for control of the party. I
voted against Bush partly to punish him for the platform; now
I've rejoined the party, because this is an opportunity to change
the party to something worthwhile.

Do you really think the Democratic party is more hospitable to
your ideals? It's philosophically *against* small government.
Yes, Bush increased the government tremendously; but what Bush
did hypocritically, Democrats will do enthusiastically. And on
civil liberties, it's more or less a wash between the two
parties, as always. But at least the Republicans are in flux now,
so there's a greater opportunity for progress.
-- 
Andrew M. Solovay	    "Until there was rock, you only had God."
					--Ziggy Stardust

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Twice Fucked (Colorado gays)
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:02:12 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <mattm-041192145312@mcmelmon.apple.com>
mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

Melmac, you've got the mind of a person who would use an Uzi
to open a jar of pickles.

>Yes, a fury of liberal intellectual angst has found
>"A Cause" <boom> <crash>

The only boom-crash going on around here is the dull thud of
your ridiculous bombast.

You've forgotten, apparently, that to be any good, satire has
to have a point.  It's not just form without content.

>And so it has fallen to the Society of True Faggots to
>defend the honor of the species.  Colorado must be
>destroyed, you see.  Made an example of, so this abomination
>will never happen again.  It is simply too bad that gay and
>lesbian inhabitants of that state will get caught, once
>again, in the cross-fire.  It's nothing personal, of course.

Are you sure you're not on loan to Apple from Sen. Helms or
Rep. Dannemeyer?  You sure sound like them, raving
homophobia and all.  It's probably a good thing almost no
one would take you seriously.

>Principles are involved.

Not that you'd know one way or the other, of course, having
none.  What a pathetic person you are!

-- 
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<>  <>  <> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <>  <>  <>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly)
Subject: Marc Lynx
Date: 08 Nov 92 07:34:39 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

jrd@frame.com (James Drew) writes:
)                            |     I found Tycho down at the Chessboard,
)Jim Drew                    | crying in his beer over his latest love lost.  I
)jrd@frame.com               | tried to console him.
)(Furry: Randy Puritan)      |     "Come on, Tycho.  Mr. Right will come along
)"Innocent, but not naive."  | some day.  Until then, look at what you already
)B2h t w- c k s g+(p) rv p   | have.  You've got good friends, a great home,
)S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++ | you're fashionably dressed."
){opinions: mine != frame's} |     "I'd rather be fashionably chased," he said.
)                            | "Right now, I'm just fashionably chaste."
)                            |		- Marc Lynx, "Righter's Bloc"

I've been noticing various marvellous selections from Marc Lynx
in your signature for years, Jim.  Where can I find more?
________________
George V. Reilly   <GeorgeRe@Microsoft.Com>
From: Mark.Thomas@cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:12:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.sf0mgY600hNHIW9FQc
	<mattm-121192102050@mcmelmon.apple.com>
Reply-To: mthomas+@globe.edrc.cmu.edu
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


In article <mattm-121192102050@mcmelmon.apple.com>, mattm@apple.com
(Matthew Melmon) wrote:

> In this case, for the drama department to remain
> prestigious, the actors it trains must get prestigious parts.

There aren't many ``prestigious'' parts available for African Americans
since much theatre is written by and for white audiences; so maybe CMU
ought to boot all the black actors too, eh?

-Mark
--
Mark Thomas       ____    Chemical Engineering Dept
(412) 268 5212    \  /    Carnegie Mellon University
mthomas+@cmu.edu   \/     Pittsburgh PA  15213-3890
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: discrimination at CMU
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:04:33 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) wrote:
>In article <10NOV92.18411115@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>> Scott, did the CMU Theatre Department ever do any gay theatre?
> 
>You don't get it, do you?

Clearly not according to you.  I asked the question because there
seemed to be enough unsaid in the original article that I thought
this would provide background information.  I think that if doing
gay-themed theatre in the department was also highly discouraged,
that would add some more data to what is known here.

It still strikes me that students with so-called gay mannersisms
were removed supposedly because of their mannerisms.  The question
is whether a drama department is correct in removing students
because of these mannerisms, or is it their job to teach the student
to act, included in this controlling these mannerisms.  I tend
to think the latter.

I'm reminded of an acting student I knew in another "prestigious"
university theatre department.  He was so "nelly," that he was
never cast in a male role in any shows.  He was however cast as
women in a number of shows, even when the script did not call for 
it.  And with good directing and acting, it worked every time.

There is still other information I do not have to make up my mind
about this.  Were gay non-acting theatre students also removed from
the department?  Were there any gay faculty (I think this may have
been addressed in the original article, but it seems to have disappeared
at this site)?

Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu

Hate, bigotry, and discrimination are not family values, even in
Colorado and Tampa.
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: RE: Politics
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 92 19:12:56 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Oct30.151307.13556@osf.org> <thaaang.720574379@cwis>
  <2NOV92.12150814@enh.nist.gov> <thaaang.720764507@cwis>
  <3NOV92.15520046@enh.nist.gov>

Sim Aberson writes:
>In a previous article, thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) wrote:
>>* Sexyfunky Motherfuckerdiva *
>Any idea how that song plays on the G-rated version?  (The thought
>of G-rated Prince makes me want to *hurl!*)

The thought of *PRINCE* makes me want to "hurl".  He's been
writing and re-writing the same tired, adolescent songs on sex
for what, more than a decade now?  The only change has been that
he's gotten even MORE narcissistic.
 
() I knew there was a void in my life that was missing.
()      -- Charlene Tilton of _Dallas_
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: Mouse Balls
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:30:39 GMT

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>> I can think of lots of other things which Ellen is, but I think
>> that these two differences between you suffice for now.
>
>Eeehhhh, stand on your head and piss into your mouth, Morrissey.
>I'm so very sorry for offending the poor little dear...

Matthew.  Darling.  You haven't even begun to try.  You inform me that
I'm senile at the ripe old age of twenty-seven, and then you ask Mark
to perform water sports for you?  Yawn.

>No matter.  So now I have *another* fan...

So plug it in.  See the grille on the front?  Take your little gold-
plated screwdriver with the picture of Madonna on the shaft (yes,
those darling little tools have a _use_), and carefully remove all the
screws.  Pull off the grille and set it aside.

Now turn on the fan, and insert your head.  If you can extract it from
your hindquarters first, that is.

--                    __
Ellen Keyne Seebacher \/             elle@midway.uchicago.edu
  "... these days I only do consensual flames for people who enjoy them."
                            --Gene Ward Smith
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Social Democracy
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:15:00 GMT

In article <19921109153159ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble) writes:
>In fact, all indications are
>that the longer one has been here, the more fossilized is one's thinking
>and the more likely is the content of one's articles to consist merely
>of meaningless cybertrash rather than substantive discussion.

Shirley, you're not offering your self (or Melmon) as evidence to
the contrary!  Please.  I'd at least like to think that the factor
is irrelevant.

>I have several gay libertarian friends who can be induced
>to start posting here in soc.motss.

Yawn.  This is new?  Johnny-one-notes who don't have much else to say 
don't last very long here, and that holds true for propertarians and
Randroids as well.  With any luck, a few of them might have an interesting
opinion on something other than MeMeMe, and the rest will just disappear
into the void.

>And without a doubt, there is
>certainly a lot of need for a more objective balance in outlook here.

It's spelled "Objectivist".

>Maybe IRC is something that Matty Melmon would be interested in.

Undoubtedly.  Let's hope so.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Perot
Date: 3 Nov 92 12:50:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.Bx550H.DAM
Distribution: usa
Organization: Open Communications Forum

kenji@max.physics.sunysb.edu (Kenji Matsuoka) writes:
>My vote is based more on a feeling for the man's character.

Well, Mussolini *did* make the trains run on time...so maybe...

-- 
Brent Capps                          | 
bcapps@agora.rain.com (gay stuff)    | okay, but wash it first.
bcapps@atlastele.com (telecom stuff) |
From: AH.PBL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GOP's future; living with the enemy
Date: 9 Nov 1992 18:02:52 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov5.193809.4447@PacBell.COM>,
rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>>> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>>>> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>
>>>>What about Jack Kemp?  He was in the administration, but doesn't seem to
>>>>have participated in the campaign much.
>>
>>>I wonder how his outing will affect his campaign...
>>
>>I must be behind (again).  Was he finally outed for real?
>>The rumor has circulated for years.
>
>I meant that if he does run for Prez in '96 he will
>undoubtedly be outed.

  Why?  What's different now (or what will be different in
'96) than in '88 when he ran?  Why wouldn't he have been
outed during the 4 years as an official of the Bush
administration?  Or when he was a member of Congress?

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants)
Subject: Re: more faces for the soc.motss photo archive
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:33:46 GMT

In article <thaaang.721563206@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>
>>j/john_dorrance_uncensored.gif	Now it can be shown
>
>This could very well affect my political carreer.

Oh, I don't know.....It definitely caused a rise in the polls (sp) in some
areas......

:-)


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