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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:23:11 EDT
From:         "Lee C. Varian" <LVARIAN@PUCC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ptfs and such via ftp
X-To:         Cleve Graves <cvg@DBAIX.OC.COM>,
              IBM TCP/IP List <IBMTCP-L@PUCC.BITNET>

On Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:46:32 CDT you said:
>I thought this was an improper commercial use of the Internet?  We had talked
>of doing this often and concluded that it wasn't proper.  Is it OK to do this
>sort of thing?

I believe that such use is not improper, so long as the requestor of the
ptfs is following the acceptable use policies of the NSFnet and any regional
networks traversed.  The new (February 1992) NSFnet AUP says in part:

        THE NSFNET BACKBONE SERVICES ACCEPTABLE USE POLICY

 GENERAL PRINCIPLE:

 (1) NSFNET Backbone services are provided to support open research and
     education in and among US research and instructional institutions,
     plus research arms of for-profit firms when engaged in open
     scholarly communication and research.  Use for other purposes is
     not acceptable.

 SPECIFICALLY ACCEPTABLE USES:
 ...
 (6) Any other administrative communications or activities in direct
     support of research and instruction.
 ...

Pulling ptfs seem to fall clearly under activities which can be in direct
support of research and instruction.  Once again, it is the USE of the
network which has to be scrutinized, not the USER or the content of the
DATA, in deciding when the use of the network is appropriate.  A university
pulling ptfs for systems used for research and instruction seems fine;
a for-profit pulling ptfs for their purely commercial systems would clearly
not be acceptable.
  Lee Varian, Princeton University
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:52:00 PDT
From:         Leonard D Woren <LDW@USCMVSA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: TCP/IP v1.02 pauses on long FTP

Is your tcp/ip traffic through the box light?  Are you running on an
older Amdahl CPU?  If so, search the archives for this list (or was it
FALBTI-L?) for "Amdahl" and "interrupt".  That could be the problem.

/Leonard
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 10:11:51 CDT
From:         Rick Troth <TROTH@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: ptfs and such via ftp
              24 Jul 1992 10:31:16 -0400 from <gettes@PRINCETON. EDU>

>It would appear that aix attempted to put up fixes via anonymous
>ftp. Wouldn't it be nice if this could be done for the FAL product?

        I recommended that on a slip of paper to Mike Fast when he was
here preaching at VM Day.   (not for FAL,  but for CP/CMS in general)

>A pipe dream... I know.

        And if it takes as long to get implemented as Pipes did to get
outside of  "IBM INTERNAL USE ONLY",  we'll all have gone to Suns.

Rick Troth <TROTH@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>, Rice University, I/S VM Systems Support
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From: bholmes@uts.cc.wayne.edu (Brian Holmes)
Subject: pop3 server ACF2 mods
Summary: I have modified POP3 for VM to use ACF2
Keywords: pop3 acf2 mods
Organization: Wayne State Univ.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:47:28 GMT

I have modified POP ASSEMBLE to support ACF2 instead of
VMSECURE.  If anyone is interested I can put the mods
on an FTP server somewhere.  FYI
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:19:00 EDT
From:         Mike.Porter@MVS.UDEL.EDU
Subject:      Re: Didn't someone have a FINGER server written REXX?
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Jim Jones Writes on Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:06:15 EST:
>  PS - A sample C-based server would be of interest too.  I'm doing my
>  best to avoid having to code it in Pascal, since I'm not particularly
>  skilled in or fond of Pascal.

I have an example I wrote that runs using IBM/C, SAS/C or on
SUN/OS.  It uses BSD style sockets.  Having it run on so many
platforms helped debug some bad socket implementations on MVS!
Unlike most examples, it uses non-blocking IO (which is one way
to write a server- another would be to use MPF in IBM/C).  This is
for MVS, but I guess it would work on VM (I don't think your note
said which OS).  Since I'm just learning alot of this myself, I
would appreciate comments...

We also have a full finger server, but it is written in SAS/C,
and would not be easily ported to another environment (but I
it could be ported to VM I suppose).  It does inexact name
matches.  The data comes from Fischer's EMC/TAO mail package.

Mike
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:53:06 CDT
From:         Rick Troth <TROTH@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NULLsocket

>NULLsocket is defined in TCBASTY COPY.
>
>John/

        Thank you sir.   (different John)

        The saga continues.   I tried  %INCLUDE TCBASTY but that caused
a mess.   (HT is handy)   Then I extracted the declaration of  NULLsocket
from  TCBASTY  and put it into  TNSTMAS  directly.   That resulted in
"already defined",  so we know that the definition of NULLsocket is
getting included.   But it still doesn't want to fit into
NULLstateARRAYelement.

        What I ought to do is create a local external TELNET client
using  RXSOCKET  and  RXLDEV  and do this "manually" ...  nahh.

Rick Troth <TROTH@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>, Rice University, I/S VM Systems Support
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:21:50 EST
From:         "Cromer, Dan" <19016007%SBAC@NERVM.NERDC.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      OS/2 TCP/IP 1.2.1 SLIP and networking

I'm trying to set up my office machine with a token-ring connection
and a SLIP connection running TCP/IP 1.2.1 so that I can SLIP from
my home to the network.  So far I can only connect from home to
the office machine--to both SLIP and network addresses.  However,
no matter what I've tried, I can't get from home to the network.
Has anyone succeeded in doing this?  If so, would you please e-mail
me what you have as IFCONFIG and ROUTE statements in your SETUP.CMD file?
I would greatly appreciate it.
Dan

Daniel H. Cromer, Jr.  Manager, Systems and Programming
School Board of Alachua County, Gainesville, Florida
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:24:32 EDT
From:         John Voigt <FLIX@CORNELLC.CIT.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      NULLsocket

NULLsocket is defined in TCBASTY COPY.

John/
From: dano@ac.dal.ca
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Subject: RE:Computer Resources for MBAs
Date: 23 Jul 92 03:41:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: ac.1992Jul23.004149.6624
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

I am a recent MBA grad from Dalhousie University in Canada. I have used a
desktop system for many years and have no complaints. The only problem I
can see with the laptop/notebook computers is there use in the classroom.
I think it would be very annoying for classmates as well as the prof to 
have to listen to you type stuff in to your computer or to hear those "beeps"
while trying to give or listen to a lecture. Other than that, I dont think
laptops are any less of a system than Desktops. Once the cellular phone charges
go down in price, the laptops and notebooks will rule the computer world.

Hope this helps!

DANO
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:14:28 TSI
From:         Levent Ozturk <EE88042@TRITU.BITNET>
Subject:      Laptops&Notebooks..

Hi all,
   I have just graduated from university. My major  is Electronics. I worked fo
r a Laptop distributor company for 2.5 years while i am studying. I have seen t
hat a good conversation is going on about Laptops in this list. So i need to te
ll my opinions as a Laptop seller,user and an MBA candidate student.
   First you have to decide what for you want to buy a computer. Do you really
need it. Then how much could you pay. Most people buy computers which they can
never use it with a high performance. For example an 286 can be enough for you
instead of a 486.
   I myself have an 286 desktop at home(with 40Mb Hd). It makes my huge dbase w
orks, very complex electronics calculations, and good picture quality. Of cours
e there are some things that i cant do. But it does not makes me fail. A 486 ca
n work for a massive company. So probably there is no need for a student to pur
chase a 486.
   But i always dreamed a laptop or notebook. As people didnt know how a comput
er can be useful, desktop user dont know how a notebook gives efficiency. One o
f you told that laptops are behind as technology. I am not agree with him. As l
aptops are very specially designed, they give better performance than an equval
ant  desktop. And you can choose any configuration for a laptop.
   There are some disedvantages of laptops. Laptops screens are not so poverful
. You can not get pictures as good as you can see on a desktop screen. The reso
lution is the same but liquid or gas plasma screens cant show as clear as a des
ktop. Hard disk capasity is constrained on laptops. But as a student does not n
eed gigabytes of Hd. So its not a problem for a student.
    The biggest disedvantage is price. Laptops are much more expensive than des
ktops. Many people can not affort.
    I can advise that if you decided to buy a notebook, choose a well known bra
nd. Because they need a very special technical service. So a cheaper notebook
can cost more. there is one more you should take care. The battery life is abou
t 2-6 hours (not more|). Gas plasma screens spend more energy then liquid crist
als. So battery life is shorter for gas plasma laptops. If you need more info,
feel free to write to me. My e-mail address: ee88042 at tritu.bitnet. Thanks fo
r reading this long letter...
   PS: `f you decide to purchase a Motorola based computer Amiga models are bet
ter than Mac and others.

   -Levent-
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:41:34 GMT
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From:         "Debra A. Berkeley (813) 974-2651" <DECABAA@CFRVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Laptops&Notebooks..

Levent: Since we are on the topic of computers, I am getting ready to
purchase a 386 25mhz computer from a friend. He wants to get a much faster
one. He has had it for 4 months and is still under warranty from the company.
The warranty has 14 months let. He has many programs on it, including windows
and a modem. All of which he is willing to sell at $1455. Plus the hard disk
is 103mb. I am a computer programmer and also plan to start taking classes in
the fall and start my MBA in the spring. Do you think that this is a good
deal. If so, what questions should I have for him besides WARRANTY TRANSFAR
RIGHTS. Also what technical questions? Thanks is advance.
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 07:16:48 -0400
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From:         JULIUS ARIAIL <SOLIBJA@GSVMS2.CC.GASOU.EDU>
Subject:      Lexis warning notice
X-To:         buslib-l%idbsu.bitnet@pucc.princeton.edu

We have Lexis/Nexis accessible from about 40 public sites in our library.  We
have tried to deal with the Mead Data letter warning us about commercial
access by placing an introductory message within the Lexis sign-on
procedure which informs the user that Lexis is available only to
registered faculty, staff and students working within the curriculum.  The
user has to press a key to get past the message or to back out of it.

This is of course not foolproof, but it is similar to what DBase did several
years ago when they made their intro screens pause while you read a
copyright/license statement.  I am hoping that it will be enough to
show Mead Data that we are proceeding in good faith with them, but cannot
monitor the use at each and every public workstation.  In a way, this is
similar to the "fair use" provision of the copyright law and the copy
machines: we put up a notice, do reasonable monitoring, but the user
bears the ultimate liability.

Julius Ariail, Director of Libraries
Georgia Southern University
solibja@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 08:33:33 EDT
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From:         "Leslie M. Haas" <LHAAS@KENTVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Comment on Compact Disclosure
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              <BUSLIB-L@IDBSU.BITNET>, SIMONS@DAYTON.BITNET

Does Lotus allow you to keep the back discs?  If they don't (and they
did not at the last library I was at) I would think about changing
subscriptions.  That is one of the things the students like most if the
historical financial information available on the older discs.

Leslie Haas
Business Reference Librarian
Kent State University
lhaas@kentvm
(216)672-3045
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:02:00 PDT
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From:         THARVELL@ACUSD.BITNET
Subject:      comparison of Silver Platter/SEC and Q-Data files

Please post on Buslib-L if appropriate:
Our library is considering substituting Silver Platter/SEC Online for the
Q-Data fiche we have been receiving for some time.  We are concerned about
the timeliness of the CD-ROM product versus the microfiche.  Have any
libraries analyzed this issue in regards to these two products?   Please
reply directly to me:  Tony Harvell, University of San Diego Copley Library
THARVELL@ACUSD (bitnet) or THARVELL@USDCSV.ACUSD.EDU (Internet)  Thanks!
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 10:01:51 CDT
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From:         Tom Diamond <NOTTED@LSUVM.BITNET>

In the business section of last Sunday's New York Times (7/19/92; p. 12F)
appeared an article concerning electronic bulletin boards.  The author
provided a general overview of EBBs and included a chart listing
some examples of bulletin boards around the country.  Here are a couple
examples:  Free Financial Network (stock closings; investor resources)
and Minnesota Spacenet (NASA news and information).

I'm not familiar with either one of these EBBs and whether either can
be accessed via the Internet.  Has anyone heard of these EBBs?  Can they
be accessed via the Internet?  What are the commands? Thanks.

Tom Diamond
L.S.U.
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 10:54:50 CDT
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From:         Ellen <EMADIGA3@UA1VM.BITNET>
Subject:      Position opening: Library/IRM Instructional Services Librarian

Thanks for the news.
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:58:00 EDT
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From:         BELLS@WILMA.WHARTON.UPENN.EDU
Subject:      RE: Dow Jones News/Retrieval Access
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              <BUSLIB-L%IDBSU.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>,
              Todd Yeager <TMY%WVNVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>

Todd:
	We have been experimenting with DJNR access via Internet in
preparation for migration from the other telecommunication networks.
We haven't done much different in terms of software or setup.  We still
use the same software (XTALK), but we just auto-logon to the internet
and have a logon script that gets the user right into DJNR.  By
dialing up we can only search at 2400 at this time (thinking of getting
a 9600 baud modem).
	The only problems I've noticed are:
1) auto-logon fails about 50% of the time at the point where the password
is transmitted.  DOW has checked this and it just seems to be a line
noise problem.
2) the break function (to halt data transmission) seems to knock the
searcher off DJNR when used.
	In summary, I don't anticipate many complications in using
DJNR via the Internet.  Of more concern is that what is presently a
free system for academic libraries may not always be free.  How then
might our accessing databanks via the internet be affected if we are
charged for using the Internet?
Steven Bell
Lippincott Library
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:34:14 EDT
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From:         "Leslie M. Haas" <LHAAS@KENTVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Lotus OneSource Question
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              <BUSLIB-L@IDBSU.BITNET>, friedman@LIBRARY.SDSU.EDU
              22 Jul 1992 09:59:09 -0700 from <friedman@LIBRARY.SDSU.EDU>

When I worked at Texas A&M, a colleague and I did a comparison of  Lotus and
Compact Disclosure.  The reason for the comparison was because we were
booked solid at certain times of the semester on Lotus and needed some way
to alleviate the problem of access(only one terminal).  We got Compact
Disclosure on a trial basis and this is what we discovered:  1. Undergraduates
liked Lotus because of the access to abstracts of articles and they
found it very easy to understand the instructions.  They also liked the
access to Dow Jones Retrieval that our library subscribed to.  2.  Graduates
liked Compact Disclosure for the more complete information provided in the
records (ie footnotes) and the Dialog emulation searching capability.
They also found the menu easier to understand and they liked the ability to
format the records and sort them in a number of different ways.  3. Finally,
the students also liked the fact they could save their search strategies for
later use on Compact Disclosure.  At the end of the trial the College of Busine
ss decided they really liked Compact Disclosure and offered to help pay to keep
it at the Library.  I prefer Compact Disclosure because of the searching and
saving flexibility.  And, unlike Lotus you can keep the back copies of your
discs to build a library.  (this might have changed, I don't know).

Hope this helps...

Leslie Haas
Business Reference Librarian
Kent State University
lhaas@kentvm
(216)672-3045
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:35:09 PST
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From:         "Carol A. Womack" <cwomack@UCI.EDU>
Subject:      comparison of Silver Platter/SEC and Q-Data files
X-To:         THARVELL@ACUSD.BITNET, BUSLIB-L@IDBSU.BITNET

Please post on Buslib-L if appropriate:
Our library is considering substituting Silver Platter/SEC Online for the
Q-Data fiche we have been receiving for some time.  We are concerned about
the timeliness of the CD-ROM product versus the microfiche.  Have any
libraries analyzed this issue in regards to these two products?   Please
reply directly to me:  Tony Harvell, University of San Diego Copley Library
THARVELL@ACUSD (bitnet) or THARVELL@USDCSV.ACUSD.EDU (Internet)  Thanks!


Tony, I'm also interested in the replies you receive.  I'm looking at
         all options for this type of data.  We currently have Compact
         Disclosure on CD-ROM, which is updated monthly.  We cancelled
         our subscription to Q-File about three years ago because it
         was always late.
         Carol Womack, UC Irvine
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:03:40 EDT
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From:         Keith Morgan <kamorgan@ATHENA.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Economic Bulletin Board
X-To:         BUSLIB-L%IDBSU.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu,
              Eloisa Gomez Yeargain <ECZ5YEA%UCLAMVS.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu>
              23 Jul 92 12:58:00 -0700. <9207232003.AA22058@Athena.MIT.EDU>

Regarding the EBB on the Internet, I add an enthusiastic
recommendation; however, the instructions Eloisa forwards seem contain one
glitch and one ommission.

>At the "Which Host?" prompt, type "um-ulibrary" with the quotes.

When I put the quotes in the system wouldn't take the command, when I
removed the quotes, i.e. just entered: um-ulibrary it worked fine.
Perhaps this was a glitch at my end.


>To download a file into your own computer account, position the
>arrow next to the menu selection and press "=".  Make a note of the
>path (e.g. "0/census/summaries/stf1us.sum") and host (e.g.
>"una.hh.lib.umich.edu") that will be displayed.  Quit um-ulibrary.

After you position the cursor opposite the file and enter the equals
sign, the path will come up but it also has a mail option. That is the
last line of file name and path information is:

Press <RETURN> to continue, <m> to mail:

When I pressed the mail option I was prompted for my e-mail address. I
entered that and then pressed enter. After I quit the telnet portion I
checked my mail and found that the path information had been sent to
me. This seems more convenient than scribbling the path name down or
hitting "print screen".

Again, this is fabulous. Congratulations to Umich!

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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:59:33 -0700
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From:         Suzanne Sweeney <SSWEENEY@GSB-PESO.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Mead's Lexis/Nexis letter
X-To:         buslib-l@idbsu.idbsu.edu

We also received the "commercial use" letter from Mead (& all the other
"letters").  This area was discussed slightly at both SLA & ALA this
summer.  In fact there was talk at ALA about forming a Lexis/Nexis
users group, but I've not heard more.....

Suzanne Sweeney
Jackson Library Graduate School of Business Stanford University
ssweeney@gsb-peso.stanford.edu
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