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From: amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Anmar Caves)
Subject: Re: A Japanese student killed in Lousiana
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:17:52 GMT

In article <Bx7xpM.FJr@ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.182110.21082@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:
>
>>If there's a way to decrease the number which also inevitably prevents
>>women, the elderly, and others from being able to defend themselves
>>from criminals, is it reasonable to go for it?
>
>   What are you talking about? What prevents people from defending themselves? 
Restrictions on gun ownership.  For that matter, restrictions on
ownership of any weapon.  In some cities the 4" long folding lockblade
knife that I carry everyday for work purposes is a deadly weapon, and
I can be jailed for merely possesing it in public.  Heaven forbid I
carry a gun.  I tend to avoid such places.  Any place that takes away,
or minimizes my rights to self-defense, and cannot guarantee my safety
is not a place I want to be.


>
>   He he he he... A kind fellow sent me an e-mail to show how I, as a 
>non-US citizen, can own a handgun legally in the US. I'm looking forward to
>some stranger visiting my house. Why don't you drop by, Phil? My training
>could be as adequate as Mr. Peairs'. Oh well, maybe not. I need more
>practice of saying, "freeze!" in order for it not to sound like "fleas!"

When you *invite* someone into your house, you have a certain
obligation for their safety, by your definitions, the japanese
students actions would not be construed as threatening *had he been
invited onto the property*.  He was not invited onto the property, and
indeed was warned off.  Whether or not the homeowner acted criminally
will be left to the jury.  And yes, even you, as a non-resident, are
entitled to protect yourself in your own home (certain states
excepted), just as you will be held liable for your actions should
they prove criminal or reckless.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Subject: Re: new newsgroup discussion
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:16:12 GMT

>Mark Crispin <mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM> writes:
>:  4) Newsgroup restructuring/partition.  Split s.c.j. into various parts, and
>:     perhaps have some of them be moderated.  Here's a strawman of a possible
>:     split:
>:    [....]

kanekawa@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Nobuyasu Kanekawa) writes:
>How about adding the following newsgroup ?
>
>      soc.culture.japan.correspondence         This is for those who ...

How about:
 
 soc.culture.usa-japan.japanese.exchange.student.shot.in.louisiana?

There's enough materials to form a separate group.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
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From: hank@westford.ccur.com (Hank Cohen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese Major Suggests Military Coup:Your Opinion? (mod. long)
Keywords: 'democracy' in Japan
Date: 6 Nov 92 09:38:38 GMT
Organization: Concurrent Nippon Corp.  Tokyo , Japan

>In article <1992Nov3.175303.4143@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>
>representative as it should be. Allow me to a couple questions here: Recently,
>the Supreme court agreed that the districts should be redrawn to reflect the
>current population distribution. What has happened (if anything) to implement
>this? Second, why do the opposition parties (SDP, JCP, etc) also oppose
>redistricting when it comes up? It seems to me that they have the most to
>gain, but they oppose it as strongly as the LDP.

The political positioning around the issue of election reform in Japan
is about as arcane and Macchiavellian as anything you could possibly
imagine.  The best source of news and analysis on this subject that I
have found is The Economist.  The issue is not simply reapportionment
in the American sense although that too is required.  The main problem
for the opposition parties is that the Kaifu plan proposed eliminating
all multi-seat constituencies.  In many districts there are three or
four seats selected by a plurality of the popular vote.  The top three
vote getters will get seats and the rest loose.  Most of the seats of
the opposition parties are in such constituencies.  So what happens,
usually there are two LDP candidates and a host of minor party
candidates.  The LDP candidates spend all of their money running
against each other while the opposition candidates hover around like
hyenas at a lion's picnic waiting to pick up the remaining scraps.  So
the result is that huge amounts of money are spend by the LDP mostly
to run against itself while the opposition parties are relegated to a
position of prepetual inferiority because they never develop the local
power base to win a campaign outright.  It is because of this rather
topsy turvy situation that you find the liberal ostensibly progressive
parties all opposing election reform and the most corrupt ward heelers
like Shin Kanemaru, Ozawa and the entire Takeshita faction supporting
it.
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
From: ARCHER@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: A Japanese student killed in Lousiana
Organization: University of Tennessee 
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:47:21 GMT

In article <Bx82G5.Jqv@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!) writes:
>In which case maybe that person shouldnt be allowed to own a gun.
>Required gun lessons not only serves to inform a potential owner
>of the use/care/responsibility of using a gun, but also provides
>an additional safety net to avoid bad situations.  

It also grants the governemt the power to restrict the use of lethal force 
to the government's agents only.

>By screening out
>potentially irresponsible users and makes sure they really want
>to owe a weapon. Besides if the owner is a reasonable law abiding citizen,
>whats the problem with getting educated about a potentially dangerous
>tool.  

The problem is mandating special training and government permission to 
excercise a constitutionall protected civil liberty.  You don't need the 
government's permission to excercise your rights.

>I would figure a gun enthusiat would be more the happy to take
>a gun course.  If this person only wants a gun to shoot the living 
>daylights out of something just for the hell of owning a weapon, then 
>they SHOULD NOT owe one and shouldnt be allowed.

Why not?  There is no evidence that he is a threat.  If you can't trust hi 
with a gun, why is he walking around loose at all?

>
>If driving lessons and a license is required for a car, I would 
>thinks its common sense that a gun should warrant the same
>care and precaution.  

I the right to keep and bear arms is a constitutionally protected civil 
liberty.  The right to drive is not.  Further, driving lessons and a license 
are not require to carry a car, or to own one. Just to operate it on public 
property.  

>If someone cant see this point, IMO shouldnt
>owe a weapon. Simply, if they cant treat a gun with more
>care and respect then driving a car, well, there's no hope for
>them.

The two are not related.

>
>RT
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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Ftp site for Japan Pop-star?
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:35:26 GMT

I19LG@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:

>Does anyone know any FTPs sites available for Japan stars' GIF or JPEG? I knew
>one before called '???.piggy.????'. but I have forgot the entire node name.
>Any kind of suggestion will be appreciated! Thanx in advance!

How about piggy.ucsb.edu 128.111.72.50 is that what you're looking for?

Dave

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JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
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From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Japanese exchange student killed in Louisiana...
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:06:38 GMT
	<BxGyrs.BI7@ncifcrf.gov> <1992Nov10.005859.18489@adobe.com>
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

>The problem is with CRIMINALs who misuse guns.

This doesn't seem to be so in Hattori's case. The problem was that a legally
owned gun was used, by the registered owner, to take the life of a young man
who, in reality offered no threat to anyone. Points about the gun owners
perception will taken, might there be something that can be done to reduce the
number of innocent people killed unintentionally?

While in the military (sorry to keep going back to this but...) there was a
class on gun handling. The focus of the class was wives who keep guns for
protection. Had the man who shot Hattori followed the lessons taught in that
class Hattori would still be alive and the Peirs would have felt protected.

The class taught that if you thought someone was trying to break into your home
the best course of action was to muster everyone in one room, preferably a room
with only one entrance. Then call the police, inform them that you believe
someone is trying to break in and that you are armed.. The gun handler
positions herself so that all entrances can be seen in periphery. At this point
anyone who comes thru any entrance is probably the intruder and they have
already demonstrated that they are in fact going to break and enter. A far
better approach than walking to the side door and blasting someone who happened
to knock on your door. The police will not likely get shot since they will
announce themselves repeatedly if they decide to enter the house. This why it
is important to inform them that you are armed when to call to report the
prowler. 

This method has proven very effective in San Diego where many women are left to
care for household and family while the husband is out to sea. In the 12 cases
that I saw it was always determined that the women shot in reasonable
self-defence. 

Had Hattori's killer been thru such a class as this Hattori would still be
alive. Any education which is going to reduce unintentional shootings must
focus on at least two things. Secure storage of a weapon so that kids can't get
at it and shoot each other. And how to either manage the situation so that
there is no need to guess about someone else's intent or how to accurately
assess a situation and know what someone's intent is. Even Police who spend
years trying to learn how to know someone's intent don't get it right all the
time. Hence I would opt for teaching people to control the situation so that
anyone coming into field of fire is a known hostile. This is not possible in
all cases but it damn sure was in Hattori's case.

smittie
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From: omori@ee.fit.edu (Ricardo Omori)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Women in Japan
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:39:30 GMT
Organization: Florida Tech, CP/EE Dept.

Hello Everybody:

I'm collecting different views/perspectives about women in Japan.
Could anybody mail me personal opinions about the status of women
in Japan?
I'm interested in issues such as women at work, Japanese motherhood,
marriage, women education.
Please feel free to let me know how you feel Japanese women face the
issues I mentioned.  
I would appreciate it if you can write to me at kcs97087@zach.fit.edu

Thanks very much,

R.O.
From: blamb@hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese exchange student killed in Louisiana...
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:05:30 GMT
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.


=> In article <7412@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> blamb@hri.com
=> (Bill Lambert) writes:
=> 
=>  =}Next, I never heard of anyone being mugged, raped, or murdered with
=>  =}poisonous gas or explosives made from bleach. Have you? Please stop
=>  =}the specious arguments that guns are the same as cars, or household
=>  =}cleaning agents are just as dangerous. You might as well say that
=>  =}people could be killed by being buried in 10 ft. high pile of
=>  =}Cheerio's. The argument is just as laughable.

In article <HARKCOM.92Nov10125208@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp>,
harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom) writes:
=>    Last time I checked (12-15 years or so ago) many more children were
=> dying from imbibing bleach than from guns...  Those children's parents
=> might not appreciate your laughter...

Where I live, bleach isn't viewed as a large danger at the present time,
but I'm sorry to belittle poisoning accidents. The point is that it
just ain't related to guns.

=>  =}Ah ha. Well... I take a little less dark view of things. Especially the
=>  =}implications that cultural diversity makes society less civilized.
=>  =}The inability to accept cultural diversity is uncivilized, not the mere
=>  =}presence of it. Perhaps the presence of so much violent crime has set
=>  =}a tone of distrust among the various cultures among us, such that the
=>  =}acceptance of diversity is thwarted by fear. This fear is a force of
=>  =}dis-civilization... not dis-civilization creating fear.

=>    I totally agree with this.
=> 
=> Al

I'm glad we could agree on something this week, Half-bro, and I'll
be happy to have you as my running mate in '96.

- Bill
Xref: sparky soc.culture.japan:10465 talk.politics.guns:23890
From: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda)
Subject: Re: A Japanese student killed in Lousiana
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:15:12 GMT

In article <7423@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> blamb@hri.com (Bill Lambert) writes:

>=> In article <Bx7xpM.FJr@ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov 
>=> (Michiaki Masuda) writes:
>=> >some stranger visiting my house. Why don't you drop by, Phil? My training
>=> >could be as adequate as Mr. Peairs'. Oh well, maybe not. I need more
>=> >practice of saying, "freeze!" in order for it not to sound like "fleas!"

>In article <ARCHER.400.720981697@utkvm1.utk.edu>, 
>ARCHER@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
>=> That was beneath you.

>You shouldn't drop into s.c.j and make such comments about well
>known and famous personalities such as Masuda-San. We know all that
>there is little that's beneath him, and his biting sarcasm should
>be registered as a dangerous weapon... but often he strays not so
>far from the truth.

   Thank you for your compliment, Lambert-San. But I don't deserve your
words. I've already sent him a nasty e-mail...

Michiaki Mausda
From: PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: Japanese exchange student killed in Louisiana...
Organization: University of Tennessee 
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:34:53 GMT

In article <BxA08z.LIJ@ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:
>>So whats the point?
>
>   I'm afraid that I picked a wrong example, which led to your confusion.
>Please raplace "next door" with "city park behind your house."
>

How is this relevant?

>   In most cases, a car can kill/injure people only at the same place where it
>exists.
>
>   On the other hand, a firearm can kill someone distant from the weapon.

How is this relevant?

>
>   In other words, as long as someone drives a car in the private property,
>he/she cannot run over someone in the public property. Once he/she drives into
>a public property without a license, it would be illegal.

By the same token, if someone shoots someone else outside of a specific and 
narrow set of circumstances, it is illegal, regardless of where they are.

>
>   It is possible for someone to shoot another in the public property
>from his/her private property either intentionally or accidentally. 
>

This is already illegal.  What is your point?

>   Driving a car requires a license at least for using it in the public
>place. Possession of firearms doesn't require a training nor a license
>wherever you may use it.

You are mis-informed.  In most areas of the US, the RKBA is severely 
circumscribed by statute.  (Unconstitutionally, but since when has the 
government cared about that.)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.history
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:53:25 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Japan's textbook-screening system

This is a good start. But lets hear what the Ko-ryuans think about it.
This is somewhat what I have been waiting for. Change. We are almost on
the right road y'all; just a little longer. 
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From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: A Japanese student killed in Lousiana
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:49:35 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:

>I doubt it. Peairs hasn't been charged with anything so the police
>don't seem to think his training was inadequate or his actions criminal.

If "Peairs" is the name of the shooter, he has been charged (I
heard it early this morning on the news, but I wasn't awake
enough yet for the actual charge to register).
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Subject: Re: A Japanese student killed in Lousiana
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:48:06 GMT

In article <Bx9q4t.IM4@ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:
>   Then, find someone who insists on banning guns.

The problem is all the measures you propose like registration and
licensing are very helpful for gun banners and are often proposed by
those who clearly are interested in immediately or ultimately banning
guns. The authorities in the US have used up all their good faith
already, they have poisoned the well when it comes to "trust us, we
don't really want to ban guns even though we are taking steps that
could lead to a ban".

What made me suspect your motives is because you proposed steps which
can have no effect on the big problem (criminals), only problems which
are relatively very small in the scheme of things. I'm sorry Hattori
got killed, but people get struck by lightning too. We don't refuse to
go outside just because someone else might get struck by lightning.

>   I've never said that the firearm education reduces intentional criminal
>cases. What do you think can reduce the crime?

Citizens able to defend themselves. Especially women and the elderly
who are often the victims of rape, assault, and robbery precisely
because the criminals think they can not defend themselves.

>   The education would be very helpful if it could let people, who own a
>firearm without criminal intention, know how to protect themselves 
>effectively and how not to hurt others or themselves mistakingly.  

Yes, it would. Why not make it mandatory in high school, like driver's
education?

>   The problem is that even a blood-thirsty, antisocial, emotionally-unstable,
>selfish, over-reactive person (like me, if you want to include) who doesn't
>know how to say, "freeze!" correctly could own a gun without any training nor
>education.
>
>   As long as the wrong attitude, incorrect knowledge and inapropriate 
>handling skills are correctable by the education, I believe that it's better 
>than nothing.

Education can do little about attitude.

>> I haven't threatened you.
>
>   You have, actually, whether you intended or not. I'd hesitate to visit
>your house because the first word that I might hear could be "freeze!"
>which I might misunderstand as "please!"

Half the households in the US have guns. Maybe you should consider that.

>>I guess you think gun owners aren't human and there's no need to show
>>good manners towards them.
>
>   Your guess is wrong. I respect those gun owners who are prepared to use
>their weapon properly.

But you insult and threaten me without even knowing if I own a gun, much
less if I can use it properly.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: M20441@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Not so new music
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:36:19 GMT

I have only recently begun studying Japanese.  I have a great interest in the
music.  I heard a song by H2O <H two oh> called "Omoide ga ippai"
I thought it was a very pretty song and wonder if that is a good repre
sentation of their type of music.  If anyone knows of this song, or this group,
 please email me with the info you have.  Since this song was on Karaoke, I
figure that it is fairly old.  I think it was listed as 1987 on the disk.  Any
help would be appreciated.
 
Caron
CRose@MITRE.ORG
From: lindaa@sooth.Berkeley.EDU (Linda Absher)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Yoshi Hattori
Date: 6 Nov 1992 00:40:11 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: sooth.berkeley.edu

Again, I must agree with Mr. Lambert:  what must we look like to the
Japenese netters?  Are we an ideologically-driven, violence-loving,
"shoot 'em up and damn the consequences" pseudo-cowBOYS?  What does
it say when we're more concerned about the right to own weapons that
kill rather than how it affects our fellow citizens?  One of the 
arguements presented is that guns are to protect ourselves from 
mobs/tyrannical governments/gangs/etc., etc.,:  AGAIN, what does
this say about how we regard ourselves and our fellow citizens?

We are a sorry lot indeed...
-- 
   $  Linda Absher		$ "Jane! Get me off of this               $ 
   $  lindaa@info.Berkeley.EDU	$      crazy thing!!!"                    $
   $				$    -George Jetson, "The Jetsons"        $