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From: badie@me.utoronto.ca (Navid Badie)
Subject: Re: need your nazar
Organization: UofT Mechanical Engineering
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:08:06 GMT

aspirun@seasva.gwu.edu (Aspirun Gheyas-abady) writes:

>"hich Irani mosalmoon neest va hich mosalmoon Irani neest"
>
>I have heard the above line from many people and I am wondering what is 
>your response to it, and where and why did it get started ?
>
>Aspirun

This is too silly to merit serious discussion, but I have discussed
sillier things before, so here goes:

Let us extend the above sentence and see what we can come up with.
Hmmm... How about

"hich irani massihi nist va hich massihi irani nist"
"hich irani baha'i nist ca hich baha'i irani nist"
"....kalimi.....................kalimi............"
"....khoda nashnaas.............khoda nashnaasi........"
etc...

If we get really imaginative, we can come up with some gems, such as

"hich irani ghorme-sabzi baa lubia cheshm bolboli doost nadaarad va
 hich kas ke ghorme sabzi baa lubia cheshm bolboli doost daarad irani
 nist"

This may sound stupid, but if you think about it, it is really in the
same category as the original statement, because it tries (in vain) to
alter the reality of life by redefining concepts which we take for
granted. We all know pretty much what an iranian is, although we do
not have a precise definition for it. So anybody can make any definition
they want and try to apply their definition and see what they come
up with. If the defintion is unreasonable, for instance "an iranian
is someone born between 4pm and 6pm on even days of the month between
the Alborz and Zagros mountains, the Persian Gulf and the Indus river",
your results will be unreasonable too.

About the specific statement you quote above, suffice it to say that
if applied, it would reduce the population of this imaginery "Iran" to
a small fraction of present day Iran's population.

In my opinion, an Iranian is anyone who considers themselves to be
an Iranian. It is (or should be) neither an advantage nor a disadvantage
to be an Iranian. That is not concrete enough to be written into law,
but we are not making laws here, just having a discussion.

Cheers,
Navid.
=========================================================================
Navid Badie - nbadie@rd.hydro.on.ca

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi)
Subject: behzad, the new joojeh mosalmoon
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:14:06 GMT

the new trend in islamic debates has aroused my sense of curiosity
and forced me to do some research about some issues in islam.

the focus of this article is mainly abortion and birth control in
islam, and here is what i found (which i might add, contradicts
the views of our 'islamic scholars' i.e. seyyed, ali baba, cow, ...);

on abortion:

this is acceptable in islam, according to most theologicians, as
long as the fetus is not fully formed; a state which is said to occur
120 days after conception. no objection is raised to abortion performed
after this moment if their aim is to safeguard the health or safety of
the mother.

birth control:

it has been practiced in the past in islam, and most methods of 
contraception are generally admitted upon condition of being acceptable
to both parties. in recent times there have been fatwas to this effect
issued by the council of ulama, reaffirming legal opinion formed
centuries ago.

(excerpts from the concise encyclopedia of islam, cyril glasse, 
harpercollins publishers)

behzad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: 8809787l@levels.unisa.edu.au
Subject: Persian Spell Checker update ******************
Originator: sehari@class1.iastate.edu
Organization: University of South Australia
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:44:07 GMT

---

Doostan Droodbad

I would like to bring your attention again to the PERSIAN SPELL CHECKER project
but before I do I would like to acknowledge an error pointed out by Ms Mariam
Hakim-Zargar who rightly pointed out that INTEXT is not a public domain program
as I had stated and is Shareware.

But this does not make too much difference on what we are attempting to do
here. Our aims in this PERSIAN SPELL CHECKER project is to develop ( although
there are commercialy existing packages which cost around $300 ) a program to
perform spell checking in conjunction with the INTEXT FARSI package ( which can
be found at tehran.stanford.edu via ftp if you can not get it from there please
contact me ). This does not mean that this is the only package which we want to
use but initialy it is the INTEXT software which we have choosen.

In future as the spell checker developes we are to make it compatable with
othersoftware. Also we intend to provide this spell checker as a free package
to be freely distributed.

In our objective to produce such a package we require as many willing people as
possible to help in our cause to develpe this program. In the first stage of
our work ( ie. at present ) we are attempting to type in all the PERSIAN words
plus their english meanings from the HAIM dictionary ( about 30000 words in all
). Each person who joins our group will be given a small section of the
dictionary which he/she will have to type in using INTEXT, but the only tools
you require are the INTEXT WP and an IBM compatable PC.

This project could provide also the means for us IRANIANS to show that we can
achieve any task if we unit and put our efforts behind it.

I would like to take this chance to thank all of you out there for your time.

Ghorbaneh Shoma 
Payam

PS. Please if you are interested do contact me at
8809787L@LV.LEVELS.UNISA.EDU.AU
because I also have had problems in posting news items lately and are wondering
if my postings are getting to SCI.



--
From: assana@polkadot.Eng.Sun.COM (Assana Fard)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Seyyed and the Politics of Difference
Date: 6 Nov 1992 01:36:31 GMT
Organization: Sun Micorsystems, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: polkadot

In article <1992Nov5.043107.19477@wuecl.wustl.edu> seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:

		[garbage deleted]

>
>1) God says that women should wear hejab.
>2) God has created us, therefore knows better about our own benefit.
>3) God is kind to us and wants our good and prosperity.
>4) We should seek our good and prosperity.
>5) Therefore we should obey God, and his order about hejab.

bwaaahahahha! hilarious!

I often wonder if seyyed is playing a practical joke on SCI!!
I mean, could a sane person think this way?? in the last decade of
the 20th century???

--
         ^-^
        /o o\
       ===^===   assana@polkadot.eng.sun.com
          -   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: Kambiz Aghaiepour <kambiz@oceania.com>
Subject: Another last test
Reply-To: kambiz@oceania.com
Organization: Oceania Health Care Systems
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:09:13 GMT


Foo!!  Where is this article!!

--Kambiz

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: behzad, the new joojeh mosalmoon
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:23:01 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <1992Nov10.151406.9803@Princeton.EDU> bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi) writes:
>the new trend in islamic debates has aroused my sense of curiosity
>and forced me to do some research about some issues in islam.
>
>the focus of this article is mainly abortion and birth control in
>islam, and here is what i found (which i might add, contradicts
>the views of our 'islamic scholars' i.e. seyyed, ali baba, cow, ...);
>
>on abortion:
>
>this is acceptable in islam, according to most theologicians, as
>long as the fetus is not fully formed; a state which is said to occur
>120 days after conception. no objection is raised to abortion performed
>after this moment if their aim is to safeguard the health or safety of
>the mother.
>
>birth control:
>
>it has been practiced in the past in islam, and most methods of 
>contraception are generally admitted upon condition of being acceptable
>to both parties. in recent times there have been fatwas to this effect
>issued by the council of ulama, reaffirming legal opinion formed
>centuries ago.
>
>(excerpts from the concise encyclopedia of islam, cyril glasse, 
>harpercollins publishers)
>
>behzad

not that i am contradicting what you are saying, i am not. but i think it
would be better ir one does their research on islam from islamic sources, and
not from just one school of thought at that. it would ensure to a greater extent
the veracity of what is being expounded upon and a greater diversity of opinion.
also islamic sources are more likely in using the quran and sunnat as evidence
to support a specific stance.
also not to sound biased myself, but i have almost always found sources like
encyclopedias and books written by non-muslims to always be biased against us
and/or islam. of course there are many exceptions, however they are definitely
few and far between compared to the number of resources like the ones you have
shown which are biased.
my thought.

--== not the fingernail man ==--

zafar


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ahriman@wam.umd.edu (Lu Cifer)
Subject: Re: need your nazar
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:04:28 GMT

In article <BxGytI.1t3@me.utoronto.ca> badie@me.utoronto.ca (Navid Badie) writes:
>aspirun@seasva.gwu.edu (Aspirun Gheyas-abady) writes:
>
>>"hich Irani mosalmoon neest va hich mosalmoon Irani neest"
>>
>
>"hich irani massihi nist va hich massihi irani nist"
>"hich irani baha'i nist ca hich baha'i irani nist"
>"....kalimi.....................kalimi............"
>"....khoda nashnaas.............khoda nashnaasi........"
>etc...

                Gheseyeh Hossein Kord deleted
>
>Cheers,
>Navid.
>=========================================================================
>Navid Badie - nbadie@rd.hydro.on.ca
>

So basically what you are saying is that:

"Har kas ke kar va zendegi ba yek jo aghl darad esmash Navid neest
         Va har kas ke esmash Navid ast kar va zendegi va yek jo aghl nadarad"

Isn't that amazing?!

Actually some of the stuff you wrote was pretty funny. I'm just pulling your 
leg. BTW what does lobia cheshm bolboli look like? Anyone?
-- 
ahriman
(aka Lucifer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farhad@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri)
Subject: Re: what is a baghal?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:56:49 GMT

mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
|> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) asks:
|> 
|> 
|>  => what does baghal mean?
|> 
|> I believe it means "lima bean" or one of its products.

Hmmm I thought it means "KenAr"?

|> 
|>  => and what is so special about cows,
|> 
|> The fact that they have a cupboard full of vaseline.
|> 

Well Imam said we are all sheep and he is the shepherd
so We sheep like our closest relative that is big, mucho
and SMART,    the COW!


Farhad
-- 

   "Switch the computer off, wait 30 seconds and switch it on again
     if nothing happens."
					"Stepping Up To OS/2 2.0"

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Subject: Re: The impact of Clinton victory on Arab-Israel peace process
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 18:26:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.143901.16420@math.toronto.edu> vahid@math.toronto.edu (Friedrich Kourosh Vahid) writes:
>I am wondering if anybody knows whether Clinton will continue
>pushing for peace in Mideast or not.

clinton has no interest in a kind of pease in the middle east that will 
bring about justice for all parties. he is one of the most pro-israeli
politicians i have ever seen. he does not care about the problems in
kashmir and he totally supports the unification of jerusalem, which 
ideologically i have no problem with but who is going to care about the
injustice that will be done to the indigenous folk there (palestinians)?
i would not be surprised if al-aqsa is destroyed while he is in office.
and bring the peace process to a quick halt.

--== not the fingernail man ==--

zafar
From: Bruce.Scott@launchpad.unc.edu (Bruce Scott)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Women in Iran
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:03:20 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service

minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>... muslims used to be the rulers of the world, and we know that we shot
>ourselves in the foot on many occasions to speed our downfall...

How's this for cultural chauvanism, eh? I think the Chinese would
dispute it -- muslims have always been barbarians in Chung Kuo.

Gruss,
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: cosc186y@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787)
Subject: Re: KURDS KILL SEVEN IN MISSLE ATTACK ON TURKISH TOWN
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:25:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.183057.5400@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com>, javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad) writes...
>In article <12NOV199206532838@rosie.uh.edu> cosc186y@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787) writes:
>> I am so happy! As a Kurd I'm sick of us trying to work things
>>peacefully or asking other countries to help us. What we need
>>to do is to kill all those goddam Arabs and Turks that act nice
>>as individuals, but are monsters when they're with their own
> 
>Notice how conveniently he left out Iranians.  Whose payroll is this guy
>on?
> 
>>kind. Those Pesh Madgres are the only true heores left in the
>>Middle East!
>>
>>
>>Satan.
>>
> 
>Isn't there a conflict of interest with Ahoora Joon here? hmmm..
> 
> 
>Agha Javad
> 

 What the fuck are you trying to be sarcastic of?

Satan.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: Iran-Iraq war
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:47:25 GMT

ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani) writes:

>In article <1992Nov11.004941.13631@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad) writes:

>> If the IRI leadership had been smart, they would have invited those military
>> men who were not strong supporters of Shah, and were willing to work for
>> their COUNTRY to continue to serve, while firing only the heads who were 
>> unquestionable loyalists.  They would have also taken a peaceful stance
>> towards their neighbors and towards the rest of the world by not blabbing
>> about exporting their revolution

>Just for the record.  I vividly remember that in the few weeks before
>the Iraqis invaded Iran, Jallal-od-din Farsi (the then darling of the
>Islamic Republic Party and their grooming presidential election
>candidtae) was repeatedly ranting over the Tehran radio on the "duty"
>of the Islamic Republic to "liberate" the Iraqi "moslems" from their
>"infidel" rulers.  Fore anybody carefully listening to these, it was
>obvious that that was a receipe for war and that we were heading
>towards it.  Then followed some border skirmishes and infiltrations by
>paasdaars - and then the all-out INVASION and WAR.


This is also Iraqis justification for invading Iran.
The infilteration into Iraq could not have happened since Iraqi
army was already positioned on the border.  Criticizing Saddam
Hossein can in no way jutify his aggression.  In fact this was
Saddam who tried to interfere in Iran's internal matters by
providing arms for Khalg-e Mosalman party.  This group started
an internal riot in Khorramshar few months prior to Iraqi aggression.
Saddam's invasion cannot be justified in any way.
There were numerous mistakes made by the revolutionary regime in Iran.
Most of the problems were mainly because of the transitionary situations
and nadaanam kaari haa.
The government DID utilize the army people and many Shah time generals
were also appointed to top positions (like Fallahi who was the commander
of joint forces).  Iranina army had the key role in repeling aggression.



>-hossein
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad)
Subject: Re: AghA farhAd ham assabAni shod!
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:23:11 GMT
Organization: LabaniyyAtee-e-Sar-e-Koocheh

In article <1992Nov7.044120.20563@wuecl.wustl.edu> seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:
>In article <1992Nov7.015710.7432@netcom.com> bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:
>
>>>Remember Mr. nAsser arabhA?
>>
>He was the editor of Farad Magazine which printed an improper caricature
>of Ayatollah khomeini.
>

>>Seyyed, you better stop these public threats at sci.  You might end up
>>loosing your net privileges.  I am more concerend than just a loss of
>
>What threat? I am simply reminding you that you are reacting against the 
>law and you might get caught. Hey, you were the guy who said that notifying
>people of that they might be punished by law, is NOT a threat. Remember?

Once again, here is Agha Seyyed's "reminder":

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I had never seen you so angry before AghA farhAd! You surely are very loyal to
your masters! Keep kissing their hands, but at least wake up from khAbe
khargoushi! Remember Mr. nAsser arabhA? Now use your imagination, and whenever
you decide to go to Iran, khoub passe gardaneto charb kon, because nokhost-
vaziri guys might be waiting for you! dar zemn, ye dast pijAmeye rAh rAh, bA
ye Alameh ketAb hamrAt vardAr tA hosselat sar nareh!
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Now, I don't understand how anybody could POSSIBLY in their wildest dreams
feel threatened by this "reminder", especially when it comes from such a
neutral source who truly has everybody's best interest at heart.

>>Reghards,
>>Hooshyar
>
>Seyyed.

baaaa, baaaa, baaaaaghgAL!
(a model citizen)
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From: blais@ut-emx.uucp (Donald E. Blais)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Fear Allah...my last response
Date: 8 Nov 92 14:22:32 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.iranian
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

In article <1992Nov5.202925.7861@news.nd.edu> milind@agni.cc.nd.edu (Milind Saraph) writes:
>minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:
>
>>there is even mention of expanding universe and 
>>the big bang, but of course you would say that i was stretching it.
>
>Some weeks ago there was a discussion about this on SCP.  Which verses
>from the Quran mention the Big Bang and the expanding universe?  I am 
>aware of the verses used by Maurice Bucaille in his book, "The Bible,
>The Quran and Science."

Psalm 104 has often been compared to the very similar 14th century BC
Hymn to the Aton.  A translation the the Aton Hymn can be found in one
of the books by James Henry Breasted (1865-1935 AD) on ancient Egypt.

The "big bang" verses of the Qur'an are a variation of an expression
that is frequently repeated in the Hebrew bible.  To interpret these
verses in terms of modern scientific theory is... "stretching it"!

qur'an 51:47-49

heaven, we have built it with strength
surely, we extend it
earth, we have spread it out
excellently, we smooth it
of everything, we have created pairs
that you may be reminded

isaiah 42:5

this is what yhwh god says--
he who created the heavens
and stretched them out
who spread out the earth
and all that comes out of it
who gives breath to its people
and life to those who walk on it

isaiah 40:22

he stretches out the heavens
like a canopy
and spreads them out
like a tent to live in

isaiah 44:24

i am yhwh who has made all things
who alone stretched out the heavens
who spread out the earth by myself

isaiah 45:12

it is I who made the earth
and created mankind upon it
my own hands stretched out the heavens

isaiah 51:13

who stretched out the heavens
and laid the foundations of the earth

jeremiah 10:12

but god made the earth by his power
he founded the world by his wisdom
and stretched out the heavens
by his understanding

jeremiah 51:15

he made the earth by his power
he founded the world by his wisdom
and stretched out the heavens
by his understanding

job 9:8

he alone stretches out the heavens

zechariah 12:1

yhwh who stretches out the heavens
who lays the foundations of the earth
who forms the spirit of man within him

psalm 104:2

he stretches out the heavens
like a tent

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mkarimna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Melissa Karimnamazi)
Subject: Re: Iran is not your kingdom Mr. King!
Keywords: Politics, Difference
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:47:22 GMT

>
>Seyyed.



Seyyed Agha,

I must say that I found your discouragment of Ms. King's views on this
net to be unfair.  The one thing we can all agree on is to disagree.
If this were not true, then there would be no point in either reading
the postings or writing in response.  If you do not agree with a view
then respond to it, but do not discourage other opinions.

Thank you,

Mellissa Namazi
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From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: READ MY LIPS AND HIPS
Date: 5 Nov 1992 03:11:27 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <1992Nov04.224916.2410270@locus.com> jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:
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too many hits by the bus lately?

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