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From: edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope)
Subject: Re: Aliens 3 and stuff
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Date: 31 Aug 1992 09:20 EDT  

In article <1992Aug27.212732.23538@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, dsc@gemini.tmc.edu (Doug S. Caprette Bldg. 28 W191 x3892) writes...
>In article <BtnAAs.6s9@acsu.buffalo.edu> v076r95v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (The Nature Boy) writes:
>>In article <SSURHODE.92Aug26103154@suma1.susssys1.rdg.ac.uk>, ssurhode@susssys1.rdg.ac.uk (Paul Rhodes) writes...
>>>... 
>>>  c. How did the eggs get on the sulaco ? The queen detached herself
>>>     from the egg laying part of her at the end of Aliens. Also, the
>>>     queen was never left alone on the Sulaco.
>>
>>	No one knows how the eggs got on board which is why I thought that the
>>movie was SO STUPID!!  It made no sense.  Since no one could explain how the
>>eggs got onboard, there should have been no reason for the movie to have even
>>happened.  Without that stupid egg, they probably would have made it back to
>>Earth.  Sorry, I just really thought this movie was bad.
>>					PHOENIX
>>
> 
>Maybe a facehugger got on board with the queen, and was missed.

There was a facehugger on board, but after they hug your face they die.
So how did the dog get impregnated? There had to be another egg which
does not make sense. So the movie was stupid as SEQUEL, but it was pretty good
as just a movie.

My two cents, Cass
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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: Film with the least actors
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:36:55 GMT

wildcat@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Wes Wildcat) writes:


>	I think in the movie Sleuth(sp) only Laurence Olivier and Michael Caine appear in it.

What about the Muppet Movies, and The Dark Crystal?  No actors.

<shrug>

keith
From: cchapman@matd.gatech.edu (Charles H. Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:16:23 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep2.093200.10512@waikato.ac.nz> hist1261@waikato.ac.nz writes:

>In article <1992Sep1.155303.12466@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>, bjbartlett@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (The Bart-Man) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug31.215528.29891@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, mlh@eddy.austin.ibm.com (Mike Haskell) writes:
>>>  What is the most embarassing movie you have ever seen?  (What I mean by
>>>  embarassing, is that you feel absolutely miniscule when the lights come
>>>  up and you HAVE to walk out of the theater with every other bonehead
>>>  who bought a ticket to this turkey).  Movies on video don't count as
>>>  your stupidity is hidden by the walls of your house. :-)
>> 
>>   "Top Secret"!
>> 
>> 
>
>I protest!  One of the great comedies of the 1980's!
>

I agree!  How could you not like a movie with a Beach Boys style
song about skeet surfing (skeet shooting while surfing)?

Chuck

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From: das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: great voices
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:57:59 GMT
Organization: Yet Another Graphics Project, Bellevue, WA

Tom Berenger.
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From: yeager@sc2a.unige.ch
Subject: Re: What do you call YOUR remote?
Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:35:15 GMT

The Deenit.
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Richard E. Grant (was Dracula)
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:10:52 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1992Aug28.125444.6795@gserv1.dl.ac.uk>, mjb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk 
(M.J.T. Bell,office,extension,homephone) writes:

> Didn't he play the bad guy in Hudson Hawk ???
> or is he trying to keep that quiet ? ;-]
> 
> MJB ...

Yep...that's the guy.  Quite a divese set of movies he's made.

Now someone (please!) try and figger out if he's related to Hugh Grant!!!
(At first I thought they were the same actor)  Any info welcome.

Greg Bole                                   "I am only a human being person!"
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu                  Laura Dern in _Rambling Rose_
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From: michael_robbins@mentorg.com
Subject: Re: Script Query: _The_Princess_Bride_
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:35:45 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corporation

In article <1992Aug25.070518.17288@eecs.nwu.edu> kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu (Michael
L. Kaufman) writes:
>joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>>Read The Princess Bride by William Goldman. In the forward he states that
>>his father read the S. Morganstern book to him, deleting the boring stuff.
>>There *WAS* an S. Morganstern. 
>
>I hate to burst your bubble, but there really wasn't a S. Morganstern. >The
whole book (the forward, the notes, everything) was all made up. >Goldman wrote
the whole thing. He doesn't even have a son, and his wife
>(now his ex-wife) is not a shrink.


Yeah true, but what about his other books.... like the Silent Gondeliers?
It is by S. Morganstern with no mention of William Goldman.  Of course, he
could continue to write under two names but why bother.  For a fake book it was
interesting, but for a real book?

I just wich there were more movies (and books) like the Princess Bride.  I
loved it.

Mick
(michael_robbins@mentorg.com)
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From: steven@syacus.acus.oz.au (Steven Malikoff)
Subject: Re: Best shots wanted
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:28:31 GMT

<someone asked>:
:I would like some opinions of what people consider the best shots or
:sequences in movie history.  

Since there are many good scenes people have posted, I think the
one liners could be collected and placed in a file, sorted by title.
Some of my choices (in said format):

BLUES BROTHERS - the ultimate car chase.
GREAT ESCAPE - Steve McQueen on his bike.
FANTASIA - the 'Night on Bare Mountain' sequence.
YELLOW SUBMARINE - the 'Sea of Holes'. Quite perplexing perspective.

Steve Malikoff.
steven@syacus.acus.oz.au
From: jwp@panix.com (JongWoo Park)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Best shots wanted
Date: 30 Aug 92 04:36:41 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

The opening shot of "Betty Blue"
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From: fisherjm@denali.cs.ucdavis.edu (John M. Fisher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Best shots wanted
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:24:18 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of California, Davis

Some of my personal favorites:

1) ROCKY - The last fight seen, right after Rocky goes down (Mickey
yelling "Down, down, stay down!!." He comes back up anyway, and waves
his arms to Apollo to continue the fight. Actually, just about the
whole darn movie.

2) ROCKY II - When Adrian says "Win, win!!" from her hospital bed
and the training scene starts. OK, sort of cheezy, but it got my
blood really going.

3) RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK - The fight around the airplane, as it
slowly rotates. The fire chasing around the plane in the background
took some real timing.

4) DIE HARD - The scene on the top of the building, where Willis jumps
off, fire hose around his waste. The combination of his jumping, the
building about to explode, and the FBI shooting at him just about
blew my mind the first time I saw it. Willis looked decently terrified
through the whole thing, too.

5) JAWS - As someone else mentioned, the scene of the shark going
below the boat.

6) THE DEER HUNTER - The Russian Roulette scene was truly scary, and
provided a perfect metaphor for Vietnam.
From: elambert@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Eber Lambert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Movies you heard were good but sucked
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:35:20 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA


>	Home Alone was one of those movies I kept hearing was great,
>went to see it, and hated it.  Seems to be a lot of those lately:


Macauley Culkin (?) is also one of the WORST child actors elevated to star
status. Its unbelievable.
  
>Barton Fink: Had to be the most boring piece of nonsense I've ever
>	seen. 

Yep... major sleeper.

But the movie that wins the award for best movie that sucked in my
opinion was the heralded "Chariots of Fire". Had it not been for Vangelis
this movie would have been completely worthless. And it won the oscar. Go 
figure.

el
From: rjs@ulysses.att.com (Richard Steinberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Does anyone know the name of this movie?
Keywords: Airplane, 1950s, crash
Date: 2 Sep 92 03:01:58 GMT

Does anyone know the name of this movie?  Here are the salient facts:

1) There was a mysterious crash of an airplane.  One engine went out--a one in
a million chance, but then, the other engine also went out, why?  The
stewardess survived.  In order to determine what went wrong, the flight of the
downed plane is re-enacted as closely as possible.  The stewardess describes in
real time exactly what happened on board and every detail is reproduced.  The
answer turns out to be a cup of coffee she brought to the pilot.  After the
first engine went, the coffee cup spilled into an opening in the cowling and
killed the second engine.

2) Probably an American movie from the 1950s.

Any information about this movie, viz., the name, the actors, the year,
and plot clarification would be most appreciated.
From: dsc@gemini.tmc.edu (Doug S. Caprette Bldg. 28 W191 x3892)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Aliens 3 and stuff
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:27:32 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: NASA GSFC CDP VLBI

In article <BtnAAs.6s9@acsu.buffalo.edu> v076r95v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (The Nature Boy) writes:
>In article <SSURHODE.92Aug26103154@suma1.susssys1.rdg.ac.uk>, ssurhode@susssys1.rdg.ac.uk (Paul Rhodes) writes...
>>... 
>>  c. How did the eggs get on the sulaco ? The queen detached herself
>>     from the egg laying part of her at the end of Aliens. Also, the
>>     queen was never left alone on the Sulaco.
>
>	No one knows how the eggs got on board which is why I thought that the
>movie was SO STUPID!!  It made no sense.  Since no one could explain how the
>eggs got onboard, there should have been no reason for the movie to have even
>happened.  Without that stupid egg, they probably would have made it back to
>Earth.  Sorry, I just really thought this movie was bad.
>					PHOENIX
>

Maybe a facehugger got on board with the queen, and was missed.
From: sasha.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Dracula
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:41:46 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:

> Here's the cast list as far as I can remember:
> 
> Anthony Hopkins: Dr. Van Helsing
> Keanu Reeves: Jonathan Harker (Why, why, why, why?)
> Winona Ryder: Mina Harker
> Cary Elwes: Dr. Seward
> Bill Campbell: Quincey Morris (The Texan)
> Gary Oldman: Dracula aka Vlad Dracula 
> Tom Waits: Renfield
> 
> There are two characters I don't know who's playing: 
> 
> Lord Holmwood, and Lucy Westenra (who's being played by a newcomer)

As a trivial piece of casting information, it was my understanding that 
Drew Barrymore very nearly got the part of Lucy Westerna.


                             - Sasha



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From: jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis)
Subject: Re: Films with no females
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 31 Aug 92 00:29:52 GMT

   Don't forget Lawrence of Arabia.  Except for the brief apperance of
a nurse, I don't think there are any women in it, though some may appear
in crowd or background shots.

   Turn about being fair play, are there any films (that is, commercial,
feature-length films) with no men in them?
From: jjdti@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.D.Tilander)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: great voices
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:39:46 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <BtnMuq.58u@news.cso.uiuc.edu> nancyl@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Nancy Lellenberg Bentrup) writes:
>My suggestions as great voices:  Richard Burton and Colleen Dewhurst.
>(Her commercial doing the voiceover for Amtrak a few years ago was
>fabulous.)

Yes, and may I add Kathleen Turner...I've always loved listening to her.
-- 
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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 20:28:19 GMT

In article <65042@cup.portal.com> Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:
>>
>> What is the most embarassing movie you have ever seen?  
>
>I felt something like this when I left the West L.A. art house theatre
>after having snoozed thru a Soviet semi-2001-ripoff called "Solaris"
>back in my college daze.  I can't remember ever having fallen asleep
>more times in a theatre than during the screening of this monstrosity.
>I guess I just wasn't "hip" enough to "get it" but to this day I think
>it was a monumental waste of my time and whatever I paid to see it.

"Solaris" is admittedly not to all tastes, but there are those of us
who think it is a fine film.  (And there are those who think it's a
great film, for that matter.)  It is long, and it is not quickly paced,
but it is made with intelligence and care.  If "Solaris" is truly
the worst film you've ever seen, you're much better at picking winners
than I am.  (And I take this as positive proof that you didn't see
"Jaws IV", at least, not in a theater.  But, then, so few of us did.)

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu

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From: gre2@quads.uchicago.edu (erik michael gregersen)
Subject: Re: Best shots wanted
Reply-To: gre2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:49:11 GMT

	As for best shots, these spring to mind: 

	North by Northwest: The shot looking down the UN building
at Cary Grant fleeing the killing of Mr. Townsend.  The reflection of
Manhattan traffic in the glass grid in the opening credits.  The lobby of the 
UN building.

	The Hidden Fortress: The crescent superimposed over Princess Akizuki's
face.

	Andrei Rublev: The color closeups of the icons.

	Zentropa: The train rushing down the tunnel

	The Third Man: The closing shot.

	Lawrence of Arabia: Lawrence's feet on top of the train

	Mean Streets: Charlie entering the bar

	Anything from any movie directed by Orson Welles.

	
Erik Gregersen

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From: fgn@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (frank.g.neves)
Subject: Re: great voices
Summary: and another 2
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:36:22 GMT

I'd like to add Andy Devine and Peter Lorre to the list. 

Frank
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From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Film with the fe/malest cast
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:43:57 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <0ed3UOm00ioD83D0oL@andrew.cmu.edu>, ab4n+@andrew.cmu.edu 
(Anish Bharat Bhimani) writes:

> Films with few or no women:
 
> Lawrence of Arabia - I think

> Hunt for Red October - only Catherine and Sally Ryan, for about 2
> seconds, and a stewardess, for about 1.
 
> Sleuth - only 2 characters, both male

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*sob*

Ok guys...stop...this is a joke right?  You all got together and said 
"Let's post these 3 movies over and over and over again!!!"

Greg Bole                                    "The ants in the grass, they
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu                  were just doing their thing."
                                            Matt Dillon in _Drugstore Cowboy_
From: jpehko@cs.joensuu.fi (Juha Pehkonen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: sex in movies
Date: 31 Aug 92 11:31:39 GMT
Organization: University of Joensuu

jxxl@huxley.cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke) writes:
>the story or not. Usually not. The Eliot Gould "The Long Goodbye" came up
>a few weeks ago. Perfect example. It's a murder mystery, but completely
>unrelated to the mystery are Marlowe's hippie-chick neighbors who lounge
>nude on their balcony. No great shakes (:-), but it adds nothing of importance
>to the story.

I wouldn't use Altman's movies as an example of Hollywood studios obsession
with sex/bear breast scenes. Especially not The Long Goodbye. I'm sure
there are dozens of theories concerning this particular movie and Marlowe's
"hippie-chick neighbours" too. What really caught my eye was the fact that
Marlowe didn't pay much attention to them. Maybe Altman was suggesting
Marlowe was an impotent, or even a homosexual.

Juice
jpehko@cs.joensuu.fi
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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: sex in movies
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:43:16 GMT

In article <rabjab.57.0@golem.ucsd.edu> rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof) writes:
>Lazlo proclaims: 
>
>>If you think these scenes are too explicit for you, don't go to "R"-rated
>>movies.  You don't get to make those decisions for everyone else. 
>
>You're missing the point.  The argument is not about certain people
>not seeing certain movies.  The argument IS about the effect on a 
>film of leaving out certain material or depictions.  
>
Actually, it may be closer to the point than you think.  The reason
explicit scenes are put in movies is probably close to the reason
that many movies throw in the obligatory love interest, regardless
of how irrelevant it is to the plot.  There is a market segment for
it.  I find it hard to believe that this is not obvious to folks.

GMS
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From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Subject: Re: Twin Peaks:Fire Walk With Me (possible spoliers)
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies,alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 22:41:59 GMT

In article <Btt4wy.Hwt@well.sf.ca.us>, rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao)
wrote:
> What struck me the most was the style of photography. I was not as slick
> and polished as Wild At Heart or the series. The film was grainy and
> the lighting was kind of naturalistic. Like the scenes in the Palmers'

I noticed that in a lot of the scenes there was a golden quality to the
light. They probably got this effect by using golden reflecting panels (I
saw some on location). The only scene I can recall that clearly illustrates
this effect is the one where James pulls up in front of Laura's house and
she comes out. Later Leland stands at the top of the stairs watching. When
the camera is on them, the golden quality is there, when it it on Leland,
it isn't.  Might have been a coincidence, or due to shooting at different
times.

> I really appreciated the way Lynch didn't pander to people who hadn't seen
> the series. He just stuck to being faithful to his creation. And there were
> SO MANY characters from the series in it, even Leo and Shirley.

> Robert Chao

I disagree. He wound up cutting a lot of the characters that he actually
hired and shot. A major difference between the film and the series is the
absence of all but a handful of the people we knew and loved and all the
humor (though the TB segment has plenty). TP the town is virtually deserted
in TWWM with the exception of the extras in the high school seens. I'll
have my own review later, but for now I'll just say that I think that Lynch
was faced with a tough situation and delivered a fine movie. I don't feel
cheated despite not learning as much about the Lodge/Owl/Blue Rose business
as I would like. Hope he makes more.

-Rich Haller
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From: dtschett@scott.skidmore.edu (donna tschetter)
Subject: Re: POSTER SALE...!
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:46:55 GMT

Both Star War VI teaser and original theater poster available
(unclaimed)  excellent condition $25 (includes postage)

e-mail to above with specific requests.
From: gckchin@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Kelvyn Chin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Date: 2 Sep 92 03:30:38 GMT
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
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TAB129@psuvm.psu.edu (TODD BOBENRIETH) writes:
: It would have to be Naked Lunch...I hope I get flamed for saying it so we
: see who are the airhead expressionists that actually liked this piece of
: worthless dribble. Me and my friend went to see expecting your typical
: Cronenberg masterpiece and ended up shifting around in our seats more than
: any other in history. We left the theater(re) feeling like we were in another
: reality where stupidity rules...very disappointing.

I don't believe in flaming :) but I suppose I qualify as an "airhead
expressionist" by your accounts. When I first saw NL I was totally
dumbfounded. I found it powerful to a certain extent, claustrophobic
and sometimes even amusingly disgusting. It was after the movie that
I took the effort to find out about Burroughs and his life story (don't
know much yet) etc. etc. esp. the *actual* writing of _Naked Lunch_.
It was then that I realised Cronenberg had genuinely crafted a 
great piece of cinema... I would like to say Masterpiece of Surrealism,
but I ain't qualified to make such judgements, yet!

BTW, what is the "typical Cronenberg masterpiece" that you saw? I don't 
recall "The Fly" or "Dead Ringers" having as much gut impact as Naked
Lunch, and they were pretty straight-forward, too.
From: buccb@after.math.uiuc.edu (Carlos Dragonslayer Butler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Columbus and 1492
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:13:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Btuvr8.D3B
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


I'm confused. There was a Columbus flick released last week, right?
1492 will be released in October (or is it November), right?
I thought 1492 was the Columbus flick. R there 2 Columbus
flicks coming out this year? If not, was the hell is 1492
about?

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