From: jmfuchs@unix.amherst.edu (jesse fuchs)
Subject: Re: Sexuality
Followup-To: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.homosexuality
Organization: Amherst College
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:51:12 GMT

Walter Smith (smithw@col.hp.com) wrote:
> rj24@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert  Johnston) writes:
> > problem is that youimplied that you believe that religion is the 
> > reason for monogamy, and ignored the fact that there are obvious
> > social and emotional reasons for one to enjoy a monogamous relationship.
> > By blinding yourself to these reasons, you show yourself for the fool you 
> > are.
> 
> Did I say that?  I *asked* why he thought monogamy is the way to go; 
> I didn't pass judgement on his reasons, or try to force mine on him. 
> The 'social and emotional reasons' are obvious to me, I wanted to hear 
> his view.  Your *obvious* anti-Christian biases is causing you to see 
> things that aren't there, Rob.  
> 
> > Should a black man retain the friendship of a KKK member? Should a Jew
> > befriend a Nazi? Should Salman Rushdie crave the Ayatollah's 
> > friendship?
> > 
> > When someone says that people of my type are not worthy of life, I do not
> > make that person my friend. This is exactly the attitude of many christians
> > towards homosexuals.
> 
> Not worthy of life?  Get a grip.  If that were the case, you wouldn't be able 
> to openly post that you are gay and live to tell about it.  That is just plain 
> *absurd*.  There's no doubt that homosexuality is looked down upon, but 
> 'not worthy of life'??  And comparing Nazi-Jew with Christian-Gay?  Ppfftt...
> How can you possibly believe so many people hate you to that degree, and
> not lose your sanity?  If 'homophobe' is considered an appropriate term 
> for someone who 'dislikes' homosexuality, then there needs to be a stronger 
> term for those who have paranoid delusions that Christians think you're 
> not worthy of life, and would do to you what the Nazis did to the Jews. 
> If that isn't paranoid-phobic.....................
> 
> Walter
	Recently, I saw a KKK guy on Howard Stern's show (a little 
culture-slumming over Winter Break, okay - but hey, after all those 15 page
papers, I deserve a little mindless entertainment.) Howard (who, incidentally,
is Jewish) brought out a big board that had magnetic strips of vinyl attached
listing the names of various minority groups, and had the KKK guy rearrange
themin the order of inferiority (most inferior went on the bottom.)
	From most to least inferior, it went: Jews, Gays, Blacks, Mexicans,
Orientals, Eskimos. (I guess even KKK guys can't find anything mean to say
about Eskimos.) 
	When asked why blacks went above Gays, the KKK guy answered "The 
Bible says that Gays should be put to death, but blacks are just animals, so
they should just be left alone to rut with other animals."
	Fun with Christianity. Of course, I'm by no means saying that all 
Christians think gays should be put to death, but I'd have to say that 
thinking that some Christians think this way is not especially paranoid. 
	BTW, ever see a "Kill a Queer For Christ" bumper sticker? They're
very popular down in the South...my ex-girlfriend, who's from Alabama, got me
one as a gag gift for my birthday (Along with a tape called "Rappin' for 
Jesus" and a copy of "Final Exit" - we're talking about someone who really 
thinks on my wavelength here.)

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