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From: gak@gakbox.Corp.Sun.COM (Richard Stueven)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Subject: Re: a slight problem....
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:17:44 GMT
Reply-To: gak@gakbox.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gakbox.corp.sun.com

In article 702770596@unix1.tcd.ie, willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin Williams) writes:
>In <1992Apr8.222710.2982@darwin.ntu.edu.au> jaws@pandanus.cs.ntu.edu.au (James Woods) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Apr7.132442.2738@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> bur@ultisol.gsfc.nasa.gov (Mike Bur) writes:
>>>In article <1992Apr7.044112.23964@mcs.gvsu.edu> bryant@perlis.mcs.gvsu.edu (John Q. Public) writes:
>>>>In article <+#njjsg@lynx.unm.edu> cease@carina.unm.edu (cecilia marie deblasi) writes:
>>>>>In article <1992Apr5.072120.26331@uwm.edu> sarty@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Jay A. DeSart) writes:
>>>>>>In article <43954@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (KodaK) writes:
>>>>>>>In article <584@grivel.une.oz.au> scavanag@neumann.une.oz.au (Steven Cavanagh) writes:
>>>>>>>>Elvis is outside. 
>>>>>>>Elvis is my guide.
>>>>>>Elvis has five brides.
>>>>>Elvis gives you pride.
>>>>Elvis influences the tides.
>>>Elvis can't hide.
>>Elvis IS dead (I know, he told me last night)
>Elvis ***ISN'T*** dead, (So I lied to you,... so sue me!)
Elvis Lives!!!  (Sez: "Homebrew saved my life")

>>>>>>>THE OFFICIAL RULE..... the followup MUST have 'Elvis" as the first word.

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From: bur@ultisol.gsfc.nasa.gov (Mike Bur)
Subject: bob
Organization: NASA/GSFC code 923
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:58:35 GMT

Greetings alt.slackers!  I have been reading this group for about 2 seconds
and I demand that you tell me who the hell Bob is!!  Or kill me.  Also,
enclose $20 with your response.  I've downloaded the gif of Bob so I
know what he looks like, but who the heck is he?  Now, stop slacking off
and get back to work.  (I wonder if the people in alt.my.crummy.boss are
aware of this group?)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: twln5@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Headaches, backrubs
Reply-To: twln5@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:56:06 GMT

Hello,
  I'm new to this group, and don't have any specialized training in
giving massages. My situation is this:  My wife often has headaches,
which we believe are stress-related (although they occur AFTER the
stress has been relieved). Anyway, a neck/backrub helps a lot in these
situations; I was wondering if any of you had particular advice for
massage to relieve headaches. If that would be a redundant posting,
please email me. Thanks for any info...
  R.Norian
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: linda@frcs.Alt.ZA (Linda Jacobson)
Subject: Re: Necks
Organization: Onderstepoort School of Veterinary Science, University of Pretoria
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 20:55:39 GMT

Thus spake ri09+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert W. Igo):

> Are chiropractors quacks, or do they really help people when there is no other
> help?

I've developed a theory about this: I believe they really help people who
have problems which are responsive to chiropractic manipulations, and they
do not help people who have unrelated problems. I don't believe, for
example, that appendicitis will respond to manipulations, no matter what
they tell you about force fields or whatever.

There are apparently "hard" and "soft" chiropracters; this refers to the
violence of their manipulations. My physio is nervous of the former but
thinks the latter don't do any harm and might help.

Linda
From: keg@strathspey.llnl.gov (Keith Grant)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Friction
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:37:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: lll-wink.122087
Reply-To: keg@strathspey.llnl.gov (Keith Grant)
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

In article <6APR199213523443@utarlg.uta.edu>, b645zmp@utarlg.uta.edu writes:
|> 
|> Hmmmm. I was taught that friction was a surface kinda thing only, and I'm 
|> pretty sure I don't recall petrissage and friction being defined
|> as you have here. Doesn't mean you're wrong, of course, just that I've
|> never heard it put that way.
|> 

Friction can be applied just to the surface of the skin, but this has limited
theraputic benefits.  Deeper and slower friction, often applied across a 
muscle or muscle group is used in sports massage to break up cross fiber
adhesions.  Such deep work also has the effect of increasing circulation 
to/from the area being worked.


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From: henk@frcs.Alt.ZA (Henk Coetzee)
Subject: Re: Necks
Organization: Earthlife Africa (Pretoria Branch)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 14:45:42 GMT

Thus spake linda@frcs.Alt.ZA (Linda Jacobson):

>Thus spake ri09+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert W. Igo):

>> Are chiropractors quacks, or do they really help people when there is no other
>> help?

>I've developed a theory about this: I believe they really help people who
>have problems which are responsive to chiropractic manipulations, and they
>do not help people who have unrelated problems. I don't believe, for
>example, that appendicitis will respond to manipulations, no matter what
>they tell you about force fields or whatever.

>There are apparently "hard" and "soft" chiropracters; this refers to the
>violence of their manipulations. My physio is nervous of the former but
>thinks the latter don't do any harm and might help.

>Linda
> 
What is violent and what is not?
 
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From: aa431@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doug Gillespie)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: headaches
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:19:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr16.211953.23759
Reply-To: aa431@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doug Gillespie)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


I do the fingertips around the eyes and just about anywhere on the head
too.

In a previous article, tedwards@wam.umd.edu (technopagan priest) says:

>For sinus headaches, I love a little pressure, again with forefinger tips,

Sinus headaches are a whole different story.  Massage helps the symptoms a
little but not the cause.  Here's what I do.  It may sound a little gross
but I would do anything to get rid of a sinus headache.  I used to use cold
for headaches, for fever mostly, but now I use heat, its melts the junk out
of your sinus.  FIRST I take sinus headache pills!  Then while I'm waiting
for that to work I get a wash rag and fold it up and put it in a plastic
bag (to keep evaporation from cooling it off) and run hot water on it as
hot as I can stand it, ring it out just enough to keep it from dripping,
fold the bag closed, then lie down and put the rag on my forehead and face. 
Heating pad on the face works good too.  Your sinuses drain upsidedown so
you have to at least lie down or tip your head back.  What works even a
little better is to take a hot shower and run the hot water on your face as
hot as you can stand it, and also fill your mouth with hot water and hold
it for a few seconds and repeat.  You'll start to feel the junk draining
out.  Having a bowl of hot soup or cup of cocoa helps too.  I also have
this thing called a respirator, I think, and you hook it on the faucet and
it has a rubber tube that you stick up your nose and the water makes a
suction and sucks the junk out of your nose.  Sometimes it doesn't work
that well though, heat seems to work better.

>Again, there's nothing like a warm friend to help you do these massages
>to help get rid of headaches, but they are easily done by one's self.

Right, I would rather have my girlfriend do it for me but I don't have a
girlfriend right now. :(  (I know I know, alt.personals)
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From: aa431@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doug Gillespie)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Headaches, backrubs
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:23:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr16.212314.23968
Reply-To: aa431@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doug Gillespie)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, mccormick@binah.cc.brandeis.edu () says:

>Email me as well with info. on massage for relieving headaches.  I often

Me too.  Why not just write replies here.
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From: dayo@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Doug Richerson)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: test
Date: 14 Apr 1992 23:31:01 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

this is a test! Sorry but I have to learn some how!
From: jnm4075@sigma.tamu.edu (Dr. J. M. Dark (Vivisectionist/Masseur))
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Oils, again.
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:58:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Mar28.222615.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu>, jlawrence@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes...
> 
>My own personal favorite oil is cocoanut.  It stays solid, avoiding nasty
>spills, but melts at body temperature, is fairly thick, but not overly so, and
>tastes pleasant.  I usually prepare a lot at a time, melting it on the stove,
>and adding scent (I prefer rosemary or sandalwood.)
> 
>                                Jamie Lawrence

From what I am told, coconut is VERY bad about clogging pores!  As for corn 
oil, I've used mazola, and it didn't get sticky for me...  Left a nice sheen, 
too, if you're into THAT sort of thing...  :-)

-James
From: dauer1@cc.swarthmore.edu (David S. Auer)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Friction
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:21:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.ALRHBJSB
Organization: Swarthmore College

In article <122087@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> keg@strathspey.llnl.gov (Keith Grant)
writes:
KG>Friction can be applied just to the surface of the skin, but this has
limited
KG>theraputic benefits.  Deeper and slower friction, often applied across a 
KG>muscle or muscle group is used in sports massage to break up cross fiber
KG>adhesions.  Such deep work also has the effect of increasing circulation 
KG>to/from the area being worked.

I am an amateur.  All I have learned has been from experience.  I have often
worried that my technique is not as therapeutic as it could be.  How would I
know how slow and deep the friction I produce is?  Is it mystical, or do just
apply slow, deep pressure?  If the latter, I am probably in good shape.

-Dave Auer
From: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie A Coffin)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Necks
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:14:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: IASTATE.1992Apr8.131411
Reply-To: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie A Coffin)
Organization: Iowa State University

In article <702711214.20372.0@unix8.andrew.cmu.edu>, ri09+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Robert W. Igo) writes:
> It's very possible he was just lucky.  Can't appendicitis go away on its own?
> (forgive my lack of medical knowledge)
> 

Yes, appendicitis  CAN  go away on its own!!!  I had about 3 attacks before
I finally had mine removed.  I think this guy just got lucky.

Marie
From: aa431@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doug Gillespie)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Oils, again.
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:15:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr16.201511.20183
Reply-To: aa431@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doug Gillespie)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, siobhan@microsoft.com (Siobhan Harper) says:

>In article <1992Mar28.125304.17223@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> 
aa431@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doug Gillespie) asks:
>>
>>>    your head (never go against veinous return)  <- What does that mean?
>
>back to the heart. What keeps blood from rushing back the wrong way is a
>series of one-way valves, which let the blood run toward the heart, but
>which shut to prevent it from going in the opposite direction. As these
>valves run the risk of being ruptured if too much pressure is exerted a-
>gainst them, and as there is no good reason to push fluids backwards any-
>way, the principle of drainage is "distal to proximal": i.e., from the
>area furthest from the heart toward the areas closer to the heart.

Ah, I see.  That makes sense, thanks.
  I have another question here.  When I give a backrub or massage my hands
get tired before I am done.  I would like to go 2 or 3 times longer than I
can but my hands get tired, even painful, especially if the person likes it
hard.  What can I do to make it easier on my hands?
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From: jnm4075@sigma.tamu.edu (Dr. J. M. Dark (Vivisectionist/Masseur))
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: starting
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:12:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr3.215940.1323@wam.umd.edu>, sgoldste@wam.umd.edu (Stuart Jay Goldstein) writes...
>Where would you experts recommend starting an erotic massage?  The soles 
>of the feet?  Top of head?  Any enlightenment would be greatly appreciated.

Either one is good, but I personally would probably start with the face.  No 
particular reason.  Just feels right to me...


-James
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: mccormick@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Headaches, backrubs
Reply-To: mccormick@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:02:21 GMT

Email me as well with info. on massage for relieving headaches.  I often
get migraines and ANYTHING that would help would be MUCH appreciated!  Thanks.
     K. McCormick
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: au342@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael P. Rolfes)
Subject: Re: Oils, <suggestion>
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 00:23:14 GMT


Thank you.

Mike
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: fmpend01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: test
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:26:40 GMT

In article <sgbi6INNq3t@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, dayo@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Doug Richerson) writes:

> this is a test! Sorry but I have to learn some how!
  How about in ALT.TEST ? And eventually you'll even
  get a reply.

  Butch
From: wert@Apple.COM (Robert Scott Comer)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: headaches
Date: 17 Apr 92 06:19:21 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA


another cause of "tension" headaches is clamping your jaw, or thrusting
your jaw or teeth with your tongue. I do this all the time, and periodically
just have to poll my mouth to see what is happening there. Quite often I
find myself tense and never knew it.

taking a small break every little bit, rolling your head around to point
to each shoulder, working your jaw, taking inventory and relaxing tense
areas helps bunches.

fingers on the back of the head, about halfway up, then pulling down
while pressing in to the middle of your neck also helps bunches. check
it out and adjust to suit. close your eyes, get in touch with your
body. it will tell you what is wrong.

scott out
From: sl2fn@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Oils, <suggestion>
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:32:00 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Apr13.051840.21909@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, au342@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael P. Rolfes) writes:
> 
> Is it advisable to use Canola oil for massages?  Mixed --or Vanilla
> extract added to it?
> 


I don't know about Canola oil, but having seen the recent discussions, I wanted
to add my $0.02.  I use Neutrogena Light Sesame Oil formula.  It is great!
It has no overwhelming scent (so those of you who like scented oils could
add a few drops of your favorite concentrate), it sinks into the skin
nicely (after rubbing/massaging for a while), and (an important item
for those sensual massages) it doesn't taste bad.  Baby oil tastes 
horrible, as do most of the 'edible, scented' oils, and Canola oil sounds
(to me, maybe I just don't know what you mean by it) like something I'd 
fry chicken in.  :)


Nancy
sl2fn@cc.usu.edu


Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: aa431@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doug Gillespie)
Subject: Re: Oils, <suggestion>
Reply-To: aa431@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doug Gillespie)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 20:26:21 GMT


In a previous article, sl2fn@cc.usu.edu () says:

>to add my $0.02.  I use Neutrogena Light Sesame Oil formula.  It is great!
........
>for those sensual massages) it doesn't taste bad.  Baby oil tastes 

But are you supposed to ->eat<- those oils?  I see a lot of people saying
that they like or don't like the taste of oils, but does it say on the
bottle or do you know for sure that it is edible?

>for those sensual massages) it doesn't taste bad.  Baby oil tastes 
>horrible, as do most of the 'edible, scented' oils, and Canola oil sounds

Baby oil is mineral oil (right?) and you're not supposed to eat mineral oil.
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From: ri09+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert W. Igo)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Necks
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:33:34 GMT
	<702023608.1312.0@watson.bh.andrew.cmu.edu>
	<1992Apr7.205539.2775@frcs.Alt.ZA>
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

It's very possible he was just lucky.  Can't appendicitis go away on its own?
(forgive my lack of medical knowledge)

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From: au342@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael P. Rolfes)
Subject: Re: Oils, again.
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 05:18:40 GMT


Is it advisable to use Canola oil for massages?  Mixed --or Vanilla
extract added to it?


Please reply to usr2879@tso.uc.edu.

Thanks
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: siobhan@microsoft.com (Siobhan Harper)
Subject: Re: Oils, again.
Date: 06 Apr 92 14:25:45 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

In article <1992Mar28.125304.17223@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aa431@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doug Gillespie) asks:
>
>>    your head (never go against veinous return)  <- What does that mean?


A primary principle of Swedish massage is that you never push fluids away
from the heart. The arteries have a thick layer of muscle, and can expand
and contract as blood is pumped, but the veins have no way to pump blood
back to the heart. What keeps blood from rushing back the wrong way is a
series of one-way valves, which let the blood run toward the heart, but
which shut to prevent it from going in the opposite direction. As these
valves run the risk of being ruptured if too much pressure is exerted a-
gainst them, and as there is no good reason to push fluids backwards any-
way, the principle of drainage is "distal to proximal": i.e., from the
area furthest from the heart toward the areas closer to the heart.

This is a principle of Swedish massage; other systems, such as certain
Chinese massages, don't follow this rule. Also, if you're not working
deep to move fluids, it's ok to work proximal to distal: for example, 
petrissage of the gluteal muscles (buttocks), progressing toward the
hamstrings, and on to the gastrocnemius. Once I got down to the Achilles
tendon, I might then turn around and do a draining effleurage stroke
from the heel, back up to the gastroc, and then to the hamstrings.

Basically, if you're moving fluids, always go toward, never away from,
the heart, is what the principle of veinous return refers to.





Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: tedwards@wam.umd.edu (technopagan priest)
Subject: Re: headaches
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 03:11:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.181648.9263@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aa431@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doug Gillespie) writes:
>I hate headaches and I found a few massages that get rid of them, sometimes
>completely and instantly.  I do these myself, but someone else can do them
>too.

My favorite tension-headache ender is to put your forefingers up to your
forhead, and use the fingertips, starting in the middle top of your
forhead, then pulling them to the sides, ending up with a small circle
around your temples...start the next stroke in the middle of your forhead,
just a little below where you started first, and go on...best if done
by caring/loving friend!

For sinus headaches, I love a little pressure, again with forefinger tips,
along the outside ridge of my eyes, starting at the top middle above
your nose, then moving the fingers and pressing down at a spot about a cm
away along the eye ridge, working your way down the sides of the eyes,
and up all the way to the sides of your nodes, around in a circle...this
is not a stroke, but straight down finger presses at several locations
around the circle, the pressure usually being proportional to how stuffy
your sinuses are...

Again, there's nothing like a warm friend to help you do these massages
to help get rid of headaches, but they are easily done by one's self.

-Tom