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From: mm459504@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Michael Miller)
Subject: Maggie's Many Men       
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:53:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College


Now I know Maggies LAST boyfriend was killed when he got plumbed by a 
satellite. And another one fell into a tuna canning machine (and had to be 
buried in 107 little cans) but how did the other (three?) die?

Mike


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From: chris@optimla.aimla.com (Chris Angelli)
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Organization: Philips Interactive Media of America
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 20:28:23 GMT

In article <7SEP199211453385@zeus.tamu.edu> wkl5819@zeus.tamu.edu (LEVERICH, WILLIAM KENT) writes:
>It would be a mistake if Joel and Maggie ever did sleep together.  I think
>their love/hate relationship is what makes the show work.
>
>Kent Leverich
>WKL5819@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU 


First, let me say that I am a big NX fan.  I saw sporadic episodes 2 seasons
ago and almost all episodes last season.  (Just so you know where I'm coming
from.)

I guess I am in the minority in that I find the Joel/Maggie question to be
one of the least interesting facets of this show.  I mean, it's been done
to death: Remington Steele, Moonlighting, Cheers, Anything But Love, and
so on, and so on, and so on.  The only way I would start to get interested
in this plot line would be if the writers could somehow give it a new twist.
I think that the hotel room/aftermath episodes were an attempt at this. 
Unfortunately, I agree that Maggie's actions were disappointing.  I would
love to see the writers come up with some original way to deal with this 
situation.  Maybe a third beautiful, eligible bisexual character moves to
town and we get some wierd love/hate triangle.... OK maybe not.  But at
least SOMETHING that is more interesting than the "will they or won't they"
scenario.

And what's gonna happen after 4 seasons (or is it 5?) when Joel's indentured
service is done and he can go back to NYC?

-Chris		chris@aimla.com


































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From: akilgour@thinkage.on.ca (Anita Kilgour)
Subject: Re: Steppin' Out of Character
Organization: /etc/organization
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:09:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.150917.5895@wuecl.wustl.edu> kcc@wucs1.wustl.edu (Ken Cox) writes:
>Yeah, it was a little too off-center for my taste, a little too -- dare
>I say it -- a little too much like late "Moonlighting" when they were
>getting SO full of themselves. 

I'd like to point out that this was a *repeat*, folks.  From the...umm...
first season, unless my memory's completely shot.  Claiming that in the
first season, they were too full of themselves is a bit much.  I looked at
it like most of the rest of the early series.  They pulled something off
from left field.  It was amusing, didn't last long and got on with the 
episode.  

Anita

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From: tom@uts.cc.wayne.edu (Thomas Richard Stevenson)
Subject: Re: Steppin' Out of Character
Organization: Wayne State Univ.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:03:03 GMT

jbrandt@NeoSoft.com (J Brandt) writes:

>In article <1992Sep8.035602.6222@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, sklar@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Dave Sklar) writes:
>> 
>> 	Yeah, sure you might attribute that to the creativity of the
>> writers, but it seemed like an incredible cop-out to me.  I mean, I think
>> the NX writers are talented enough to resolve the Maurice-Russian Guy duel
>> withou resorting to something so cheesy.
>> 	Although the actors did deliver it well.

>I liked the stepping-out-of-the-plot maneuver.  You couldn't do it more
>than once, but it made me feel like I was reading John Fowles, or
>something.  Sometimes series get stale by resorting to resolutions that
>always involve clever plots.  Just before Joel stepped out of character, I
>was thinking, "oh jeez, they're going to have to do some kind of stupid
>sitcom thing to make this turn out," so it turned out fine for me. 
>Whenever I read a book in which the author stops and talks to me about
>his/her options (the French Lieutenant's Woman is a good example), I feel
>respected.  

>-- 
>Jaclyn Brandt
>jbrandt@NeoSoft.com
>--
I didn't even think of it as "stepping out of character". They didn't talk
to the audience, they continued talking to each other. They didn't use their
real names, they continued using the character's names. It was done as if
the character, not the actor, knew the scene was wrong, and just couldn't
continue, and that the editors left it in by mistake. I'm sure that in 
real life, actors complain about difference scenes all the time. This just
gave us a (behind the scenes) chance to see it happen (even if the writers
were the ones that wrote it in in the first place). It gave us a chance to
see how some of the characters think. Before "stepping out of character",
only Joel thought it was a bad idea, but once given the chance to be 
themselves, many agreed with him. Afterward, Maggie told Joel that it took
guts for him to stop that scene (I can't remember her exact words, but it
was obvious that she was talking about it being a scene), but it was done
in a way where some might not have even noticed that anyone stepped out of
character. In fact, I think they stepping into character, not out of 
character. I loved the program.  








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From: s0558191@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Chris Belanger)
Subject: Re: Oddz n' ens
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:05:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.034842.26843@nevada.edu> bpencek@nevada.edu (Bruce Pencek) writes:
>In article <BuLFE1.Gv@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>
>>It must just be me.  Has no one suggested the NORTHERN EXPOSURE - TWIN
>>PEAKS connection?
>>
>
>I saw the connection, but I was too shy to inquire.  BTW, a review of the 
>TP movie in the UNLV student paper last week also made the connection, without asking me.
>
>bruce pencek

	When NX first came out, I was a big Twin Peaks fan and I remember
that many people in the media began to compare the shows. In addition to the
show in which NX featured a Waterfall, references to pie, the log lady, and
used TP type music, NX also had a show in which a character (I forget who)
is at the bar drinking coffe and says "This coffee tastes like fish" This is
very probably a reference to an early episode of TP in which a fish is 
discovered in a coffee percolator....
	Anyway, it seems to me that NX is (to use a horrible cliche) a
"kinder gentler" Twin Peaks. But just as good.
	chris
From: Rick.Igou@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rick Igou)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: I had a dream...
Date: 7 Sep 92 20:38:36 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Sep7.131149.1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu> perry@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:
>
>	I had a dream once.  I was in Cicely, Al.  I had
>driven there in my car ('77 ToyotaLandCruiser), which had
>preceded to have problems.  I had to spend the afternoon in
>the town, where I had found out Ed had died.  Everyone including
>me were very sad.  Also, John Anderson (the original Gomez Adams
>in the t.v. show, Adams Family) was in the dream as Cicely's 

His name is John *Astin*. . .

>resident used car salesman.  He kept bugging me to sell my
>Land Cruier in for an old V.W. camperbus.  I didn't want to.
>My car got fixed, I left town, and woke up.  Go figure...
>- BPG

. . . and I think he'd work well in a guest 
spot on the show.

-Digou
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From: zaidel@muzungu.cis.upenn.edu (Martin J. Zaidel)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Best Episode + song question
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:49:44 GMT

In article <FRANL.92Sep9191807@draco.centerline.com>, franl@centerline.com (Fran Litterio) writes:
|> crenner@eng.clemson.edu (charles renner) writes:
|> 
|> > "They Could Be Giants"
|> 
|> The name of that band is They Might Be Giants.
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Hmm.  I have two of their albums, "Flood", and "Apollo 18", but the
song is on neither one.   Is there another album I don't know about?

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From: rpearl@athena.mit.edu (Rachel A Pearl)
Subject: Maggie/Joel Question
Followup-To: Maggie/joel question
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:54:44 GMT
Expires: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:00:00 GMT

Okay, I can't stand it anymore either. I've been following the discussion
concerning the question of whether or not the treatment of Maggie and Joel's
trip to Juneau was flippantly portrayed and irresponsible to the subject of
date rape etc... though I am very sensitive to this subject and  basically see
sexual abuse every where I look in the media of the 90's for some reason this 
show didn't effect me that way in the slightest.

I identify a lot with Maggie's conflicts with relationships with men and with
Joel in particular and I see her as having a very low self esteem in the 
romance department (as do I). i got the feeling she wanted Joel to WAKE HER UP
first before they went to bed, not take her as is in a deep slumber. She
was into it before she fell asleep so as I see it, the chances of her being
into it upon being revived were better than average. I think the fact that
Joel was unwilling to go to any lengths to make love with her (like trying
just a little harder to wake her up) hurt her feelings. I can remember in a 
fit of extraordinary low self exteem demanding a boyfriend "prove" to me
how attracted he was to me, which by the way, drove them about as crazy as
Maggie drives Joel. I also think she was mad at herself for falling asleep and
was projecting some of that disappointment onto an unsuspecting Joel.

As far as Joel playing the trick on her, I think he was either hurt or taken
aback that Maggie "didn't remember" the night before. She is just as guilty of
"faking it" as he was. It would be kind of embarrassing after someone says,
"Wow, last night..." to say, "Uh, well we didn't do anything, I couldn't wake
you up." It took just the right combination of hurt and malice for Joel to
lie to her and about the same amounts for Maggie to get him to show her how
attracted he was and then send him home.

All in all, I don't think anyone was asking for anything like sexual abuse, 
date rape, or sex of any type against anyone's will. They just wanted to feel 
wanted and didn't know how to ask for it outright. Such are the insecue mind 
games people play on one another when self esteem levels reach the basement.

Thanks for indulging me.

RAP

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From: jps4800@tamsun.tamu.edu (John Parrish Schweers)
Subject: Re: Steppin' Out of Character
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:52:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.150917.5895@wuecl.wustl.edu> kcc@wucs1.wustl.edu (Ken Cox) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.035602.6222@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>,
>	sklar@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Dave Sklar) writes:
>> 
>
>2)  They BOTH fire into the air at "ten".  This would not really be in
>    character for Maurice, of course.
>
Yes.  Even though you would think Maurice would shoot the Russian, his character says he won't.  Similar to the episode where he goes to deliver a speech to
 the Japanese honeymooners at the hotel owned by the homosexuals.  He doesn't 
 agree with their lifestyle, but  comes to terms with them.
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Think about it...
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:41:41 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1992Sep08.062838.25049@ssc.wa.com>, tad@ssc.wa.com (Tad Cook):

>>Ed and..........Shelly!

> I was thinking maybe Chris & Shelly.

Why is everyone trying to match up Shelly???  What about poor Holling?
I think they are the greatest couple...  And very happy together.

It's wonderful to see two people that have a strong enough relationship
that the difference in age doesn't even matter.  (Right Nance?)

Shelly is a bit of a flake, but you can't help liking her...remember
when Grahme Green told her she was shedding her skin and being "reborn"?
Her reaction was so great...she just "feels" things...and accepts them.
She has both an innocence and a wisdom.

So stop trying to fix her up...she's happy!!!  :^)

Greg Bole                                    "The ants in the grass, they
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu                  were just doing their thing."
                                            Matt Dillon in _Drugstore Cowboy_
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From: akilgour@thinkage.on.ca (Anita Kilgour)
Subject: Re: Where are the children??
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:34:14 GMT

Folks, essentially (IMHO) the show is still from a central viewpoint 
of Joel.  Who is not someone who would associate with children.  It's just
not something he would do.  We know that there are children in the town,
they have been refered to (rarely, granted) and Joel has treated some,
but they are not people who intrude on Joel's life.

Just my $0.02 worth.

Anita

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From: dslee@netcom.com (Donna S. Lee)
Subject: Re: Northern Exposure book
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 00:59:52 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

wkl5819@zeus.tamu.edu (LEVERICH, WILLIAM KENT) writes:

>There's a new book out that should be of great interest to "Northern
>Exposure" fans.  The book, called Letters From Cicely, is a series of letters
>written by the show's characters while the entire town suffers from massive
>insomnia.  It's quite entertaining, and the letters very closely reflect the
>character's personalities.

It actually came out a couple/few months back, but I'll agree, it
is quite good.

BTW, I'm delighted to see this newsgroup come into
existence--it's about damn time! Let's all get together for a
road trip to Seattle!
-- 
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From: ehudon@reed.edu (Elizabeth Hudon)
Subject: Reasons for fandom
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 02:10:49 GMT
Distribution: usa


I'd like to respond to the recent critiques of Chris.

I believe he's necessary and just as quirky as the rest of them. Yes, he
muses in the same way that pretentious college folk do, but there's an
important distiction. Chris muses in the course of everyday life, whereas
college-age intellectual poseurs muse outside the realm of mundane
existence (and usually for the purpose of one-upping someone nearby).

One of my favorite things about the show is how the characters
integrate an odd intellectualism with their small-town, almost
wilderness existence. (Hopefully this makes sense. :) )

Elizabeth 
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From: lingsy@CS.CMU.EDU (Su-Yuen Ling)
Subject: Re: Best episode- Cicily and Rosalyn
Originator: lingsy@VIXEN.FOX.CS.CMU.EDU
Reply-To: lingsy+@cs.cmu.edu
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<1992Sep8.235745.24572@ms.uky.edu> <1992Sep9.235126.22882@utdallas.edu>
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 05:11:48 GMT


I thought the names of the women were a reference to Rosalind and Celia
in Shakespeare's _As_You_Like_It_.  The two women go to live in the 
woods, with Rosalind dressing up as a man.

Tom Karches's explanation (below) is more likely though.

>In article <1992Sep9.235126.22882@utdallas.edu> karches@utdallas.edu (Tom Karches) writes:
>
>   You might be interested to know that the town in which NO is filmed, the
>   mythical town of Cicily, is actually called Roslyn. The brick wall with
>   "Roslyn's Cafe" painted on it (with the camel) is actually in the
>   town.
>
>   BTW, Roslyn is in Washington state about 80 miles east of Seattle.


- Su Yuen
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From: cjs01@cd.amdahl.com (Chris Somers)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: lesbians (was Re: changing the world)
Date: 16 Sep 92 00:56:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep15.155747.26667@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
ljohanne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Leila J Johannesen) writes:

[other reference deleted]

>
>While I'm babbling, I wanted to express my opinion that it bugs me
>a little bit that film or tv doesn't highlight `tough, independent women'
>often unless they're lesbians. I like the NE as is, but I lament
>what appears to me a general problem in the entertainment media, and
>our society that straight women are often not cast in roles of
>`rugged, individualistic achievers' and `heroes.'
>

	Maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention, BUT....

	The thought crossed my mind too - whether Cicely and Rosalyn
	were lesbians.  Others here have expressed the same sentiment;
	however, I wonder if we're INFERRING that they were, or was it
	actually IMPLIED they were.

	When Ned-the-younger comes out and tells Cicely that he loves
	her, her response (in part) is that "her heart belongs to Rosalyn."
	Well, so what?  Does that mean they were lovers?  What of the
	concept of soul-mates?

	Now, like I started off this post, I could have missed something
	in the show that was undoubtedly explicit (I was trying to make 
	dinner on commercials, but I may have missed a bit).  If so, PLEASE
	someone correct me.

	If not, I wonder if we're all just reacting to how society has
	conditioned us.

	Anyone else?

Chris
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From: a0s5102@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Mitchell R Dickerman)
Subject: Northern Exposure soundtrack
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:51:10 GMT

So, I had a job interview this morning, but all I could really think about 
was heading over to the store and picking up the soundtrack! Here's the track
listing with some comments:

Theme From Northern Exposure (by David Schwartz)
 Wow, it's kinda weird to hear the whole 3 minute thing rather than the 
 snippets they play on the show. Pretty cool, though.
Jolie Louise (by Daniel Lanois)
 This is from the pilot episode and "The Body In Question". Cajun, I suppose.
Hip Hug-Her (by Booker T. & The MG's)
 This is from "Animals R Us".
At Last (by Etta James)
 This closed out "Slow Dance".
Everybody Be Yoself (by Chic Street Man)
 No idea which one this is from.
Alaskan Nights (by David Schwartz)
 Ditto, but it's immediately familiar.
Don Quichotte (by Magazine 60)
 This is from "Jules et Joel". Joel walks into the Brick and they're playing
 this song, which of course, wouldn't happen in 'reality'.
When I Grow Too Old To Dream
 This closed out "The Big Kiss".
Emabhaceni (by Miriam Makeba)
 No idea which one this is from, perhaps "Roots"?
Gimme Three Steps (by Lynyrd Skynyrd)
 This is from "My Mother, My Sister". It closed it, I believe.
Bailero From Chants D'Auvergne (by Frederica Von Stade et al)
 This is from "Wake-Up Call", when Maggie dances with the bear.
Medley: A Funeral In My Brain, Woody The Indian, The Tellakutans
 All are familiar, but I can't place the first. I believe "Woody" is from
 "Sex, Lies and Ed's Tape". "The Tellakutans" closed out "Seoul Mates"
 during the Christmas play.

So, what do I think? Well, it's not everyday one gets to listen to KBHR, now
is it? Pretty eclectic, but then what does one expect from the NEXP people. 
The biggest gripe, of course, is that we STILL don't know who did "Toy Cows"!
And they left off a couple of my other favorites, Enya's tune and the incredible
music that ended this years spring episode as Maurice played the bagpipes.
(As an aside, have you noticed how amazing the endings are? I mean, week after
week they just blow me away, they are PERFECT in every way, especially the
music.)
Well, I'm pretty happy. I hope they come out with another one in a year or
so, especially since the show is here to stay.

Mitch
From: winkeler@natinst.com (Keith Winkeler)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Steppin' Out of Character
Date: 10 Sep 1992 10:05:09 -0500
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: eagle.natinst.com

>
>	Yeah, sure you might attribute that to the creativity of the
>writers, but it seemed like an incredible cop-out to me.  I mean, I think
>the NX writers are talented enough to resolve the Maurice-Russian Guy duel
>withou resorting to something so cheesy.
>	Although the actors did deliver it well.

You last line sums it up. The stepping out of character bit was
brilliant because even in "stepping out of character" they stayed
in character. (e.g. Maggie's outrage at Joel's selfishness, Maurice
not wanting to look like a klutz, etc). For a show that fantasizes
about bears being people (or vice versa), I thought this masterful
piece of irony was not only consistent, but an excellent way to
resolve the conflict. The theme of Holling hunting the moose
parallels it beautifully. Holling didn't have to _shoot_
the moose and break his solemn vow. He just needed to go to that
critical decision point, to see what he would do. Sort of like
Abraham about to sacrifice his son Isaac at God's behest. Holling
eliminated his feelings of being caged, the Russian vindicated
his honor, and Abraham proved his trust. They all passed the test.

Keith
From: trudel@athos.rutgers.edu (Jonathan)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Fling Thing
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:50:47 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

tslater@nmsu.edu (Ted Slater) writes:

>actually not so much of a coincidence as one might think. the
>trebuchet was discussed on NPR (national public radio), and the two
>builders interviewed alluded to the fact that they were builing one
>for use in an upcoming Northern Exposure episode.


Yes, the builders were also in Car and Driver, the excuse being that
they flung a Trabant (the Eastern European "standard" automobile).
They too mentioned the Northern Exposure episode.