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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 17:02:03 -0500
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Query
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Is it just me or has this list taken a decided upswing lately?

-abh
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:41:58 EDT
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      Mysterys
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              at Sep 8, 92 9:01 am

> That does it.  Up until now most of my pleasure reading has been mysteries,
> but it *clearly* isn't good for you!

	Have you ever read Rita Mae Brown's Mrs. Murphy mysteries?  I'm
thinking of using them as a stepping stone into the genre since I like
her stuff in general.

Rita
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: Gleanings (58
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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:51:16 GMT

Torkel wants *evidence* that Bertie's a mindless twit, and the many books
featuring his ineptnesses is not sufficient -- what would constitute
<evidence> in such a case?  The fact that Bertie's premier concerns are his
clothes and meals?  That he is demonstrably incapable of comprehending
"deep" books, in spite of the girlful attempts to "improve" him made by
women he can't avoid becoming entangled with, even engaged to?  The complex
schemes he allows himself to become party to, and his inability to frame
adequate rebuttals to totally specious arguments? The ease with which he is
manipulated by his "friends" (including Jeeves) and his terror of Aunt
Agatha (and all strong women)?  

Bertie cheerfully confesses that Jeeves is the brains of the pair, and
speculates that it must be the result of eating fish -- never dreaming it
might be in part supported by Jeeves' habit of "reading an improving book
before retiring".  Just *try* to catch Bertie reading a book, 'improving'
or otherwise!  Occasionally Bertie becomes resentful of being considered a
twit, and attempts to help his friends by using his own ideas: all such
attempts result in comical failure, and Jeeves must be brought in to the
rescue.  

Bertie's a dear, but nonetheless a twit.  Amiable, goodhearted, generous --
but a twit.  

--bayla
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 13:25:36 EDT
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Too busy to play Words-l
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              "RKESSLER@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU" at Sep 13, 92 1:19 pm

	ROFL, Rod.  Good luck, man.

Rita

suffering flashbacks from her days of TA'ing
freshman comp.
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:13:41 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Teaching....
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>      attack as an illiteracy and a blurring or loss of a useful
>      distinction. Actual usage shows otherwise. Sense 2 of disinterested
>      [....]
>      --Jack London, letter, 1914>  Still, use of senses 1a and 1b will incur
>      the disapproval of some who may not fully appreciate the history
>      of this word or the subtleties of its present use.

Precisely my point re prescriptivism.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Why I Teach
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              04 Sep 92 18:40:56 -0500. <9209050008.AA25019@sics.se>

  Doris says:

  >With approximately 182 students in my charge, many with an
  >*attitude* I somedays don't have the energy to hold my head up, much less
  >teach and still entertain.

  Teaching required subjects before an audience of essentially
uninterested students is not work fit for a human being. Put them in
front of a terminal! The terminal can have smoke and narcotics
detectors and all the rest, and also a facility for administering
unpleasant but harmless electric shocks.
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK%IUBACS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Silence

>-- silence has always implied consent.
>
>--bayla

Tell that to Thomas More.

-Mka
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:04:19 -0600
From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ@ZENO.MSCD.EDU>
Subject: RE: WHTMIHC
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Delcareth IN%"ak743@cleveland.Freenet.Edu"  "Doretta Hanschka"

> DEFINITELY the big double nickel approaching, Giggles; senility has begun its
> relentless onslaught...

     Is this based on personal experience or merely observing others?

The Ronin
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From: richh@netcom.com (richh)
Subject: Re: "For"
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 18:47:55 GMT
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Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG> writes:

>	Your mother was Madame Bovary?


Shhhhhh!
Actually, she was Emma Woodhouuse(sp?), but that other one'll do.

RICHH
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 11:41:43 EDT
From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      Vaporlock
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Setting nomail here because of a 24-hour construction outage in the
computing center.  If tushar unravels the mystery of "Vilanelle: The
Ghost in My Machine," someone please save it for me.

later,
brad
From: gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL (Graham Toal)
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Subject: Re: Today's pop quiz
Date: 13 Sep 92 17:12:00 GMT
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	Curious, Graham, that you persist in calling disinterested a synonym
	for unbiased.  Certainly the meanings are similar, but one can easily
	imagine (say) a judge who is not disinterested but who manages to
	remain unbiased.  Likewise one who is biased even though disinterested.

I do know the meaning of disinterested but spelling it out every time
I used it would be a bit tedious.  It seemed a useful shorthand for
the people in this group.  I don't think I was the first to use
unbiased anyway.

Anyway, it's a well-known fact that there are no two words whose
meanings are truly synonymous.  Except for gorse and furze of course.

G
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 07:29:06 GMT
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
 <DBFABAK%CFRVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      One of Two Jokes

Good Morning,

Well zipped 100 letters or so, didn't understand most of them, so no comments
to make.  But did hear two cute jokes this weekend, one simple, the other
sort of political, but can't tell that one as would put me out of character
(involved Hillary and her "proof" there would be no Bush) so will have to
settle for the simple one.

Person goes in for job interview.  Sees man interviewing them has no ears, and
exclaims "You have no ears!".  End of interview, told to leave.  Next person,
obvserves same, says "you have no ears".  Also, immediately turned down.  On
way out person sees third person to be interviewed and warns them don't mention
that interviewer has no ears.  So, interview goes pretty well, and the person
being interviewed comments "I see you wear contact lens".  Interviewer remarks
"That was quite perceptive of you, how did you tell?".  Interviewee responds:
"Well, you can't wear glasses, you have no ears to hang them on!".

OK, I said it was simple.  Have a great day anyway.

Sports fans: The Professional National Football League Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
             under the mystical direction of new coach Sam Wyche, are
             un-defeated in the regular season!

             Will the Giants, now that "best-interests-of-baseball" has
             departed, change Bay Areas?  Having lived in both bay areas,
             must admit I liked the one out West better.

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:36:46 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Morsel morceau

>Do you have a citation for this, Ausbrook?  Or a larger context?
>
>Karen

You're always so goddamned confrontative.  I float a gem out
there--in the CONTEXT of the thread of prescriptivism v.
descriptivism, and I'm asked for name, rank, and serial number.

The citation is to Morson/Emerson: Mikhail Bakhtin: Creation of
Prosaics.  Happy now?  Does it add *a lot* to your understanding?
You want the page number?  57, I think.

I haven't read the book, by the way.  It was cited on another
list, *which* shall remain nameless.  (The name of my VW Bus,
btw.)

I still think you oughta stop drinking warthog sweat in the
morning.


-Mka
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:13:00 LCL
From:         Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
Subject:      Re[2]: Teaching....
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>I don't really understand what it is that you don't understand.

     This is a perfect example of Natalie at her <most vexing>.

     Carol, whose dog didn't use to be in this fight
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:23:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      A *true* Library Story
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I went in that infamous library tonight, and felt very
strange.  I saw <fictional entities> at every turn.  But,
anyway, the strangest thing is this.  Last week, receiving
the form that I have to fill out *every* semester to
re-secure my faculty study (which is *really* shared by
five people), I refused to fill it out and wrote a huffy
note about having ongoing projects that I didn't need to
describe every semester, and why would I have to justify
the use of a study shared by *five* people, and I just
wasn't going to do it, *so* *there*.  I got the letter
that was quoted in WHTMITL, really in truly, and it said
I was in study such-and-such, which I assumed was the same
one.  Tonight, I went there to check for a brightly colored
form, and found that they have:
  MOVED ME TO A PRIVATE STUDY!!!!!!
This is what I have begged for for two years.  There must
be a lesson in this, and I am rofling so hard I cannot stop,
and truth is *indeed* stranger than any fiction, believe me!
--ggs (thinking it has something to do with WHTMITL in a
  Borgesian sort of way.....)
 p.s.  Why do I keep saying "sort of way"?  That can't be
 right.....
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:43:00 EDT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (58)
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On Wed, 9 Sep 1992 07:30:50 MST, "Dan Lester" <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU> wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:03:00 JST Akio Tanaka said:
> > 6) Queens-Grandson-Theory (Dan)
>      got me....I said that?  hmmmmm

Jack the ripper suspect.
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:38:30 EDT
From:         mgarber@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
Subject:      Re: Zen
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How about putting the soles of both feet together so that
the hand is free for clapping? Marilyn
From: maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU (Natalie Maynor)
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Date: 10 Sep 92 00:48:15 GMT
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>   4. better be a *real* good purple

I agree.  I'm showing great trust in Karen's judgment by putting
the "good" purple above the green green in my list.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 15:51:10 MED
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject:      Re: Aspiration
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	I bet that people who have both [t] and [0] (<--- that's supposed to
	be a theta, not a zero) in "eighth" also have both the [f] and the [0]
	in "fifth" -- something else that I don't have.  I lose the [f].
	   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

I take the fifth.

G
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 20:55:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Answer to queryt
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> >Is it just me or has this list taken a decided upswing lately?
> >
> >-abh
>
> I think folks have just stopped running around their forehand.
>
> -Mka

I think what has happened is that it has become more <textual>.
--ggs (who likes to think it is his own <doing>.....)
p.s.:  Anyway, *ts*'s (note change of form to stay out of somebody's
kill file) comment about ego trips makes not a lick of sense.  Isn't
that what this is to *everybody*?  The little personal ego-trip of
each of us?  If it's not that, it makes <not a lick of sense> to
be doing this.  Hope you folks will excuse that little bit of
blatant textual honesty.
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:33:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      wordsler birthdays
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Well we know for sure that:
.... neal's is September 25
.... -ggs' is September 13
.... Colonel Sanders' is September 9
.... -ggs' tc/sw's is June 3
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Toot Toot Tootsie, Good Guess (Was Re: Rhubarb Pie
Date: 5 Sep 1992 04:03:50 GMT
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In a previous article, ELWOOD%UCSBVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu ("Elwood P. Dowd") says:

>Gentleones,
>   *ROOOOOONG*  Trick question.  Correct answer is "1 to n, *depending on
>the starting point*, where n is the maximum number possible to arrive at
>the center of a virgin Tootsie Pop".  Confirmation, Tushar?
<ahem>  That's *WROOOOOOONG*, spelled with a "*W".  
The answer is also incorrect, although you are correct in deducing that it is
a trick question.  The center of a Tootsie Pop is never reached by licking,
but by biting.  To this date, no living being has reached the center by 
licking, although it is theoretically possible.<*Thhhhhp*><gives raspberry>

>Elwood P. (on a roll today, but not a Tootsie) Dowd
Well, you're on *something*.  Sugar high, maybe?

-- 
It's Ruth the NetHead, back from the [virtual] dead
	- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
fighting for truth, justice and static-free lines
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:33:12 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Mississippi Masala
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I hope I spelled the title right.  Has anyone see this?  It's
the latest Mira Nair, w/ Denzel Washington and a hot Indian babe
whose name I do not know.  It came out on video, and we're
thinking about renting it this weekend.

Karen
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:03:06 +0200
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: A strange find
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              12 Sep 92 05:34:12 +0000. <9209121312.AA29000@sics.se>

  Says the Doretta Hanschka, aka the Ruth Hanschka:

  >Maybe the bird was after that fine white powder blowing around in your
  >apartment, Torkel.  Have you ever inhaled that stuff?:-)  Maybe the Swedish
  >equivalent of the DEA would like to hear about this stuff....  What exactly
  >*is* that white stuff?

  Don't ask me! I've always assumed that it's concrete, or something similarly
uninteresting.

  I prefer not to inhale it.

  Speaking of "the Doretta Hanschka": have you read "To Live Forever" by
Jack Vance?
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject:      Re: Today's pop quiz
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:On the otther han, after a full day of repeating to9 my mother, "seven
:times eight is fifty-six" and "eight times seven is fifty-six," I remember
:-that- ; just don't ask me for six times seven!  I have to do subtraction,
:on paper, for that one.

I could only remember a * b for a < b.  Presumably because i was intellectually
aware that a * b = b * a from an early age, and refused o be encumbered by
the extra baggage of 50% redundant tables.  I'm still the same - six sevens
I can do but seven sixes i have to reverse before I see the answer :-(

G
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  >That does it.  Up until now most of my pleasure reading has been mysteries,
  >but it *clearly* isn't good for you!

  I read practically nothing but mysteries...
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:13:37 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: prescriptivism again
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> Yes, but take a straw poll and you'll find that the majority do indeed
> think disinterested means 'unbiased' and uninterested means 'couldn't care'
> (at least among people who've ever heard of the word 'disinterested' - if

Betcha, betcha, betcha that you're wrong.  How we'll conduct such a straw
poll I'm not sure though.

> So if the majority distinguish between distinterested and uninterested
> in this way, is it prescriptivism to inform one of the minority of
> their error or is it education?  Are you arguing against raising the
> standard of English usage in general?

No, I see nothing wrong with pointing it out -- if, in fact, your assumption
about the majority is true in this case, which I am confident it isn't.
Raise the standard of English usage??  I'm not sure quite what that means.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 06:54:00 GMT
From:         WERTSJ <WERTSJ%DIALOG@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      re: Why I Teach
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>I agree with you that the true reward is not in the day-to-day teaching.
That is where the frustration and, at times, pain reside, which is not to
>say that some days don't also bring the joys.  When former students come
>back to see me, I wear a smile for the rest of the day.  At the risk of
>sounding as if I am in a profession I don't like, I must say that too many
  For the first few years after I got out of high school, I used to
  go back and visit with one or two of my favorite teachers.  I
  haven't done it in a long time, but I've been thinking about one
  of those teachers, in particular, recently.  I've toyed with the
  idea of writing to him, and you've decided me.  I will.

  Aunt Doris, don't ever think that *none* of your students
  appreciates you, because, I can tell you that teachers who cared,
  and were competent, *were* appreciated.  I had a few in elementary
  school, high school, college, and graduate school that I have never
  forgotten.  I'm still in contact with one or two from college and
  graduate school.  In some ways, I think the ones from before
  college would be tougher to see, because I'm such a different
  person now than I was then.  But, they are also perhaps the ones
  who touched me the most - the ones who gave the most at the time
  when it was most needed.

  I was always one of the good students, and as such, I didn't get
  the amount of attention that some of the others did (in most
  classes, anyway).  That is one of the shortcomings of the public
  school system; as you pointed out, playing all those other roles
  (policeman, etc.) limits the amount of actual teaching a teacher
  can do.  I've never forgotten those teachers who took the time
  to show that they cared about me as an individual, and who showed
  me that I mattered.  Some of that didn't sink in at the time, but
  thinking back on my high school days, I realize that I had some
  exceptional people as teachers.

>entertainer. With approximately 182 students in my charge, many with an
*attitude* I somedays don't have the energy to hold my head up, much less
>teach and still entertain.  I'm a darn good teacher, but I'm not an
>entertainer.  I have quite a few tricks up my sleeve and quite a bit of
>knowledge to impart, and a world of love to share but all I can do is
>*facilitate* the learning - the student has to do the learning.  Having to
  Keep up the good work!  (and don't forget that some of the good
  students - the ones who don't require as much *work* - may need
  the attention just as much as those who are acting up)

>Sorry to unburden.
>Doris

  You're making more of a difference than you know...

 Jill
   (wertsj%dialog@mcimail.com)
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Date: 9 Sep 1992 03:49:38 GMT
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In a previous article, TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU (Blue eyes cryin' in the rain) says:

>>Oh -- I forgot to mention that I do have useful credentials for taking
>>over STALAG-L.  I saw Mickey Mantle hit a homerun in Yankee Stadium when
>      ^^^^^^
>	Just a typo, eh?
	A ges-typo, ja.

>	We are *not* amused, even if Fay Vincent has just been exiled to the
>	Gulag.

	Actually, she may have meant to type STALAG-17.  Some of the baseball
owners would fit right into that place, as the guards.:-)  
<insert good Sgt. Schultz imitation here>
-- 
Nethead, aka the Ruth Hanschka, hath enscribed herein, a message
	ap290 and ak743 , both of the Cleveland Freenet
			Here Be Dragons
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Winnowing
Comments: To: Words-L and the Bandwidth Hogs <words-l@uga.cc.uga.edu>

On Tue, 8 Sep 1992 07:58:00 EST, "Entropy Warrior" <AUSBROOK@IUBACS.BITNET>
 wrote:
> You also seem to be into equality,btw, while the rest of the list
> is into being greater than.
> -Mka

A classic pre-emptive strike from Mr One-upmanship!