From: groucho!thinh@uu.psi.com (Thinh N. Nguyen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: [REL] Stop this nonsense
Date: 5 Nov 92 03:50:25 GMT
Reply-To: groucho!thinh@uu.psi.com


Hi netters:

I didn't think that I would ever write about the Catholics vs non-catholics
issue again but then I saw the articles from Chu'c T. Nga^n and Khanh Nguye^~n
and here is my last shot at the dead horse.
 
Here is what Chu'c wrote:
 
>ga^`n, nu+o+'c VN co' 1 Vietnamese Catholic Church.  Li.ch su+? VN
>cho tha^'y ba^'t cu+' to^n gia'o na`o du nha^.p VN cu~ng pha?i bie^'n the^?
>dde^? ho`a nha^.p vo+'i truye^`n tho^'ng da^n to^.c, va` ddo^.c la^.p, kho^ng
>chi.u su+. chi pho^'i cu?a ba^'t cu+' uy quye^`n ngoa.i bang na`o, du+o+'i
>ba^'t cu+' hi`nh thu+'c na`o#.  Chi? co' nhu+ va^.y mo+'i co' the^? xo'a bo?
>mo.i nghi ngo+` ti'ch tu. tu+` qua' khu+' va` to^i tin cha('c, vo+'i ti'nh
>ti`nh cu?a ngu+o+`i VN, mo.i ngu+o+`i se~ mo+? ro^.ng vo`ng tay ha^n hoan
>ddo'n nha^.n anh em ruo^.t thi.t.  DDa^y la` 1 va^'n dde^` ra^'t he^. tro.ng
>ma` tru+o+'c sau gi` ngu+o+`i CG VN cu~ng pha?i nghi~ to+'i, va` tu+o+ng
>lai CG VN na(`m trong tay nhu+~ng lo+'p tre? co' dda^`u o'c sa'ng
>suo^'t, bie^'t nhie^`u, hie^?u ro^.ng, tu+. tin va` tranh dda^'u cho tu+.
>do thu+.c su+..
 
I wrote:
 
>We had learned Budhism from China thousands years ago but we are still
>not Chinese. Why blame the Catholics for all of the failures that were
>caused by unfound distrust and hatred. A propaganda for hatred such as
>those two have no business being put on a wonderfull medium such as
>the NET. This is a critical time for Vietnam and Vietnamese all over
>the world. There are many important issues for us to discuss and work
>together.
 
and anh Kha'nh Nguye^~n was saying the same things. I think we are very
much have the same ideas but in the heat of discussion, we have tendency
to see only our differences. I think we should put a stop to this tit-tat
posting not because any of us is wrong. Don't get me wrong, I believe that
inteligent discussion about any topic amongst thoughtfull people are very
healthy but there are people who takes religions religiously (no pun
intended) and there are people who have personal vendeta to settle at
others expenses. As a wise man once told me: "It's not smart to talk
about politic and religion to someone you don't know well." We don't learn
anything and we are breaking apart. We don't make any new friend but
gaining vietnamese enemies everyday. It's a waste of good bandwidth and
time.
 
Perhaps oneday we will meet and get to know each other better and you can
show me your books and I can tell you about my great-grandfather's story again.
You can tell me stories about some bad Catholics and I can tell you about
Alexander de Rhodes and mother Teresa. Right now, let us get out of this
stupid circle by refrain ourself from discussing about the subject. We
obviously have better things to do. My theory is that once the smart and
sensible people like you are not involved, the fight will die due to lack
of interest.
 
Before we post anything about religion on scv, please remember:
 
1. If we don't have any thing nice to say about others, don't.
 
2. Don't call anyone a communist or any dirty name unless he/she openly
claimed to be so.
 
3. Remember the crying plead of Rodney King last summer: "Can we get along?"
 
BTW Chu'c, you quoted me out of context in this paragraph.
 
>to^i se~ kho^ng the^? na`o tra? lo+`i ddu+o+.c.  Thu+' ba, ne^'u to^i
>so^'ng 1 cuo^.c ddo+`i tha'nh thie^.n va` tin o+? to^n giao' cu?a to^i
>thi` hi vo.ng to^i se~ ddu+o+.c le^n l cho^~ to^'t dde.p na`o ddo', vi'
>du. nhu+ "an island of the coast of Alaska where life is
>much better for everybody" cu?a Thi.nh Nguye^~n, co`n ngu+o+`i
>kha'c cu~ng so^'ng tha'nh thie^.n nhu+ to^i va` co' khi co`n ho+n to^i
>nu+~a la.i bi. dda^`y ddo.a o+? 1 no+i na`o ddo' thi` dda^y kho^ng pha?i la`
>logic nu+~a ma` thuo^.c loa.i "coi tro+`i ba(`ng vung".
 
I said that the Catholics believe that if we live by the good law of God,
we will go to a better place later and gave an example of the island as an
example of the concept. I never in anyway said that if you are not Catholics
you cannot go to a place like "co?i nie^'t ba`n". I believe that if you do
the right thing, no God would punish you and on a global perpective, there
are always room for more than one Gods.
 
peaces,
Thi.nh Ngo.c Nguye^~n
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese