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From: H. Nunes <hwnunes@leland.stanford.edu>
Subject: PF  (was Re: Ed on Arsenio, with a look into the future?)
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In article <1993Jan9.144443.23417@ultb.isc.rit.edu> ,
djt2445@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>Well, I get the feeling that what made Northern Exposure so good seems
to have
>transferred over to CBS' new show, Picket Fences. The quirkiness, the
new 
>really odd ideas... lately, I've stopped watching NEXP and focused more
on
>Picket Fences. Any idea if the writers have transferred over from NEXP
to PF?
>It sure seemed like it... particularily that "Frog Man" and
"Thanksgiving" 
>episodes that were on the most recently.

Nope, I have watched PF since the two-hour premier and I haven't
recognized any of the writers being from NX.  I have noticed a few
writers from the old days at "LA Law," and of course the exec. producer
David Kelly is from the days when LA Law was good... I believe he might
have been around for the "LA Law" episode that dealt with those giant
African jumping frogs.

As for stopping to watch NX... Why?  Is it shown on Fridays at 10 where
you are?  Its still a very good show.  The two shows are very different,
anyway.  PF is more of a crime show, as they have one 'crime' like
situation in each episode, which kinda gets solved at the end.  If there
are three things PF has going for it, it is that the story lines are not
predictable (I didn't know who was "Frog Man" until almost the very end
when I finally caught on), deputy Max Stuart (she's hot), and the lawyer
Wambaugh (sp?) who totally out classes NX's Mike.
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From: m4safran@student.business.uwo.ca (Melissa Safran)
Subject: Feminism in action...
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:36:25 GMT

To paraphrase a very long message by Eric Forbis 
(forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu)...

"Welcome to feminism in action."

Sorry, feminism is not about ganging up on males and blaming them for the 
world's woes.  Just becuase Maggie (a made up character) on NX decides to 
blame men for everything does not mean that feminists are all wackos who 
blame men for everything.  Feminism is just about ensuring that women are 
treated the same way men are.  Maggie kind of got confused about blame in 
this one and overreacted, but that's Maggie.  The Net tends to agree that 
Maggie was a little weird in this episode.

Ciao!

m4safran@student.business.uwo.ca (Melissa Safran)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
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From: UKA016@ukcc.uky.edu (Frank Godbey)
Subject: Re: Episode Guide
    <c51ywB1w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> 
    <1ifh7cINN9v7@shelley.u.washington.edu> 
    <1993Jan6.212816.23936@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> 
    <001201c.42.726447794@axe.acadiau.ca>
Organization: The University of Kentucky
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:39:15 GMT

In article <001201c.42.726447794@axe.acadiau.ca>
001201c@axe.acadiau.ca (NATHANIEL FISHER CRAWFORD) writes:
 
>
>>I know that the episode guide has been posted before...but I didn't get
>>a chance to get it so if someone could email me a copy it would be much
>>appreciated.  Thanks.
>
 Include me too, please:  UKA016@UKCC.UKY.EDU
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From: alfa@b23a.b23a.ingr.com (Laura Walker)
Subject: Picket Fences - yuck!
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:12:43 GMT

picket fences bites the big one.  I made the mistake of watching the last
episode -- the one where the tough-guy cop gets shot.  That was the last
straw - I'll watch no more.

What - do the three cops work all the time?  What - does the chief's
wife do everything? - psychiatrist, heart surgeon, loving mother. 
Notice how I don't use their names - everything's forgettable about this
show.

I found myself cheering for the Frogman.

Please refrain from comparing this show to northern-exp, which offers characters
we care about, lively but realistic story lines and subtle, gentle quirkiness.
Picket Fences is self-conciously quirky - Hey look at me! I'm an off-beat
show too!

Picket Fences is to Northern Exposure what People Under The Stairs is to
Psycho. 

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From: smorine@nyx.cs.du.edu (Suzanne Morine)
Subject: Re: 1/11 Episode "Revelations"
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 00:37:23 GMT

H. Nunes <hwnunes@leland.stanford.edu> writes:

>Finally, a solid NX episode.  Really, nothing to complain about, however,
>there isn't nothing to discuss/debate about either.  Now for some
>thoughts:

[...]
>! Do you think NX glamorized Monastary life in this episode?

They were such hep-cats!  :)

[...]
>! What really shocked my about the whole Chris and Simon thing was the
>fact that Simon DID turn out to be a woman.  It was so predictable, I
>didn't think they would take that route, then again, it was pretty much
>their only choice.  Any ideas why they decided to make her name Chris? 
>Was it just to get that Twilight Zone effect?

I didn't see that one coming ("Simon" being female).  I was completely
distracted for most of the "real" bee scene because of Chris' not wearing
the bee gear. I couldn't concentrate.  Not only didn't it make sense for
him to not wear bee gear, I think the scenes would have been great if he
wore it!  You'd know which one was Chris because he moves his hands around
so much and because he was running around while "Simon" was business-as-
usual.  It'd have been hilarious.  And it'd also contrast Chris seeking his
own true self in a place where he he looks just like everyone else and is
treated just like everyone else.

I didn't like the ending either.  Engage our minds, writers!  Maybe have
Chris ask, "Is 'Simon' female?" and the brother says, "why would you ask
that?" and Chris, embarrassed, clams up.  Maybe we never find out the answer.

(I think it makes sense he might subconsciously know 'Simon' was female -
from subtle sense of smell.  They say smells can trigger memories and some
deja-vu experiences.)

"Chris" is a great androgenous name.  Interesting if they'd have used it
from the start.  Chris chasing Chris, wanting a conversation, within the
context of having come to a place where he wants to discover more about
himself.  No, that would have overdone it.

[...]
>! Hmm, "Parent Trap."  Seems like they took the low road with Ed, but it
>worked and the "don't forget to rewind the tape" line was very amusing. 
>And as I remember it, there was nothing wrong with Ed's appetite.

Ed:  "Very Disney-esque."  I loved it.

(And I agree on the appetite comment.)

--
--Suzanne Morine          smorine@nyx.cs.du.edu
--"It is wonderful how much time good people spend fighting the devil.  If
--they would only expend the same amount of energy loving their fellow men,
--the devil would die in his own tracks of ennui."     Helen Keller
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:38:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: The Wolf; was Re: Was it 849?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
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In alt.tv.northern-exp, kimi@fang.att.com (Kimiye Tipton) writes:

> 
> I was very annoyed, almost pissed off, while watching this show, but
> I've got to say that after seeing all the comments on this group and
> in the mailing list, and doing some hard thinking, I'm beginning to
> love it.  Some of the pseudo-feminist arguments got under my skin,
> as I've heard them all before, and generally talking like that gets
> you written off as a madwoman.  In Real Life, you have to soft-peddle
> the feminism, no matter how outrageous the sexism is.  Maggie's
> anger gets the same reaction from guys on the show and even worse from
> men on the net-- 

SOME men on the net.  I happen to agree with many of your conclusions
and your reaction and post-reaction to the show is QUITE similar to mine.

>they think she's completely unreasonable.

No.  She was inflammatory, hostile, and not terribly interested in
understanding, but many of the positions she stated are essentially
reasonable.

>  That
> was part of the point-- her blowups were forcing the men who were
> receptive to her position (Joel and Chris) to join with the men 
> who were taking advantage of her.  Hell, her remarks were putting 
> off some of the real feminists in the audience!

And yet they provided the clues needed to see why she was so extreme
in her reaction, so we are able to divert our annoyance at her
behavior into thought about her positions and a deeper understanding
about the vulnerabilities she feels in her own mind.

doug
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From: WVOSS@novell.com (Wes Voss)
Subject: Re: 1/11 Episode "Revelations"
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:47:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.064508.1384@leland.Stanford.EDU> H. Nunes <hwnunes@leland.stanford.edu> writes:
>From: H. Nunes <hwnunes@leland.stanford.edu>
>Subject: 1/11 Episode "Revelations"
>Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 06:45:08 GMT
>Finally, a solid NX episode.  Really, nothing to complain about, however,
>there isn't nothing to discuss/debate about either.  Now for some
>thoughts:

I disagree! I thought it was the best one this season! It was great to see
some of the quirkyness coming back. 

>! I guess Chris is officially the coolest guy on TV, riding to a
>monastery on a hog.  What was that 20's term he used in that last Isuzu
>ad?  Yawser (yow' za)?

I thought that was great!

>! Do you think NX glamorized Monastary life in this episode?

Maybe a little, but I thought it fulfilled it's main reason of existence;
entertainment.

>! Marilyn:  Paper clips, blue, and beige.  Is it just me or is this
>Marilyn/Joel schtick getting very old?  Although I can never get enough
>of the fact that "we only have one line."

Actually, I very much enjoy that kind of interchange; particularly the
bewildered look Joel always gets when he figures out he just isn't
equipped to deal with Marilyn's style of thinking.. IMHO, one of the best
lines of the show was when he was complaining that the conversation made
no sense, and she quipped back "Well, you started it." <G>

>! What really shocked my about the whole Chris and Simon thing was the
>fact that Simon DID turn out to be a woman.  It was so predictable, I
>didn't think they would take that route, then again, it was pretty much
>their only choice.  Any ideas why they decided to make her name Chris? 
>Was it just to get that Twilight Zone effect?

I guess I was the only one who was suprised by the fact she was a woman.
I admit, I was uncomfortable watching Chris kiss what appeared to be a guy.
(Does that mean I'm homophobic?...)

>! Hmm, "Parent Trap."  Seems like they took the low road with Ed, but it
>worked and the "don't forget to rewind the tape" line was very amusing. 
>And as I remember it, there was nothing wrong with Ed's appetite.

I got a kick out of his other last lines about potato chips and punch...

Maybe it's me, but I really enjoy how the writers always work in all those
film references into Ed's plots...

Wes

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From: julie@skatter.usask.ca
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: 1/11 comments
Date: 13 Jan 1993 01:10:45 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
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From article <EGDORF.93Jan12113847@zaphod.lanl.gov>, by egdorf@zaphod.lanl.gov (Skip Egdorf):
> 
> The only disappointment was the resolution of the Chris/Simon relationship.
> Chris was struggling with latent homosexuality. The revelation that the
> object of his desire was female makes no difference to the fact that
> Chris perceived Simon as male. Admittedly, this is a difficult issue to
> resolve in a one-hour show.
> 
> 					Skip Egdorf
> 					hwe@lanl.gov

Are you sure that this was a "latent homosexuality" issue?  I just
felt that he was fascinated by someone who was so different from him
(Chris has to talk to survive).  Sure, Chris THOUGHT that Simon was a
man, but that was a concious thing.  His dream was a subconcious thing.
In effect, Simon was genderless, as his/her face was always hidden.

Actually, I kind of assumed that Chris' attraction was a pheremone
thing, in the same vein as the episode where women all over Cicely were
flocking to him (only in the reverse, of course...).

Jules


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From: keb3_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Karin E. Baker)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: 1/4 episode: YUCK
Date: 7 Jan 93 07:13:36 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <scs.726260266@wotan.iti.org> scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons) writes:

>pboren@rand.org (Pat Boren) writes:

>>Where are Adam and Eve?

>Last I heard Arkin was in a successful Broadway production, keeping him
>too busy to work on NE.
>-- 
>	"You can't get here from here."

And Eve has been playing some Senator's daughter on NBC -- John Forsythe
(Blake Carrington) has a new show about being a goof-ball senator, and she
plays his daughter.
-- 
;^) -Karin
keb3_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
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From: scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: 1/4 episode: YUCK
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:57:46 GMT

pboren@rand.org (Pat Boren) writes:

>Where are Adam and Eve?

Last I heard Arkin was in a successful Broadway production, keeping him
too busy to work on NE.
-- 
	"You can't get here from here."
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From: mlo@cray.com (Mick Oyer)
Subject: Re: Maggie's trench
Reply-To: mlo@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:25:23 CST

In article 1@uwovax.uwo.ca, 6011_5522@uwovax.uwo.ca () writes:
>	What was Maggie doing anyways.  To be puting pipeing in the ground 
>for her garden is ok but this trench was big enough for her to sit in. 


Not to mention that the trench was maybe 4' below the surface (in Alaska!).
As one who lives in a similar environment I got news for her ...
The water in that pipe is gonna freeze SO solid.


From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:19:13 GMT
Subject: Re: January 4th Episode
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp

In alt.tv.northern-exp, dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews) writes:

> Quite often i don't realize, any more than the men involved do, how much we
> are conforming to society's roles and their consequences.  Once realized, i
> usually become quite angry.  I wish i could get away w/ saying things that
> Maggie said last night, but in real life men discard reactions like hers as
> PMS and never think about the issue any more.  

SOME men do Diane.  I thought Maggie was extreme, but I still devote
a lot of time thinking about these sorts or things.  

Your generalization the MEN react in a certain way is sexist.

I have never once been engaged in a situation where a woman got angry
and I chalked it up to PMS.  In fact, PMS never occurs to me as a 
possible motivation for the actions of women.

doug
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From: H. Nunes <hwnunes@leland.stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: Was it 849?
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In article <1993Jan5.195643.27457@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> Rebecca
Rulli, rrulli@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu writes:
>Did Chris say that Cicely had a population of 849 last night (or
>something like that)?

Yeah, he said 849, meaning that the population of Cicely, AK has a net
change of +10 since Joel arrived less than two "Cicely Years" ago (when
the show started the population was 839).

>I missed some of the beginning due to a phone call and only caught part
>of the Little Red Riding Hood scene.  Why was Maggie more uptight than
>usual on men last night?

I really don't know why Maggie, the women of NX for that matter, were so
caught up in their revisionist thinking and angst, with Maggie in the
main role as the Christine de Pizan of the great northwest.  I understood
that story line, and the reasons why they acted that way, but the whole
thing was taken too far, even for NX.

As for the wolf thing?  Well, taken in the context of the show, it went
way over my head.  If someone could explain the purpose of the wolf,
please do.  I thought it was more man hating, but it wasn't that clear. 
The wolf (played by Robert Nadir) seemed to have the same purpose in this
episode as Adam had in "Roots."  Their role was simply to screw with
Maggie psychologically, making her do something rash.

Is it coincidence or not?  When Monday Night Football is not on, NX is
the number one network show watched by men between the ages of 25-49.  So
what is the first episode aired right after MNF's season ends, this one.
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From: mhw@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mike Murphy)
Subject: Re: Loreena McKennitt
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:40:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.041453.24063@sfu.ca> clarkec@fraser.sfu.ca (David Gordon Clarke) writes:
>Tonight's (Jan. 4, 93) episode ended with a tune by Loreena McKennitt...
>
>just thought I would say that...

Well, you just saved me the trouble of asking, so thank you!  I thought it was
such a beautiful song.

Michelle


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From: WVOSS@novell.com (Wes Voss)
Subject: Re: 1/11 comments
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:59:06 GMT

>The only disappointment was the resolution of the Chris/Simon relationship.
>Chris was struggling with latent homosexuality. The revelation that the
>object of his desire was female makes no difference to the fact that
>Chris perceived Simon as male. Admittedly, this is a difficult issue to
>resolve in a one-hour show.

Actually, the thought I had at the time was "Wow. Even though he couldn't 
see her, he was somehow able to know that she was a woman. Another Chris
Karma thing..."

Wes

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From: mwojcik@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Michael Wojcik)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: NEXP Mac sounds via FTP?
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:39:46 GMT
Followup-To: alt.tv.northern-exp
Organization: the University of Pennsylvania

Anyone know of any anonymous FTP sites with NEXT sounds in any Mac readable
format? please e-mail responses.


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From: djt2445@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Ed on Arsenio, with a look into the future?
Date: 9 Jan 93 14:44:43 GMT
Reply-To: djt2445@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <gannon.726469517@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu>, gannon@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu (Mark Andrew Gannon) writes:
>hwnunes@leland.stanford.edu (H. Nunes) writes:
>
>>I have a question about the clip Arsenio showed from NX before Darren E.
>>Burrows came on.
>
>>Ed, Shelly, and One Who Waits were at the bar in the Brick in the clip. 
>>One Who Waits appeared in "The Big Kiss," the problem is that I don't
>>think the clip was not from that episode.  So I will One Who Waits make
>>another appearence on NX, maybe next week? (Yeah!!)  Or am I completely
>>wrong and that scene was in the episode titled "The Big Kiss."
>
>Yes, sadly the folks at NExp feel it's necessary to repeat anything that
>got good reviews.  I read a description of the (then-) coming season in
>September, and it sounded like "last season revisited."  So we'll see
>One Who Waits again.  
>I really hope this show starts to pick up soon, or I'll have an extra
>hour a week, plus the time I spend on this newsgroup.
>New ideas were what made the first 2 seasons of NExp great, and this
>season we've seen rehashing of old ones, plus a terrible new idea: Mike
>the Bubble Guy.
>
>It's really frustrating to watch this one die like most other decent TV
>(or TV that had a chance to be decent, like Star Drek: the Same Old
>Story).  Is "the Simpsons" to be the only tolerable 30 minutes of TV
>programming with continuing characters?
>
>I think there's room for more than one.
>I apologize for the wiling and gnashing of teeth in this posting.  I
>think it suffers from the same ailment as NExp: I introduced no new
>thoughts in this posting.  I'm going to go through with sending it
>anyway, but I'll try to make future posts more thoughtful and less
>bitchy.  
>
>--Mark 
>  :-b
>

Well, I get the feeling that what made Northern Exposure so good seems to have
transferred over to CBS' new show, Picket Fences. The quirkiness, the new 
really odd ideas... lately, I've stopped watching NEXP and focused more on
Picket Fences. Any idea if the writers have transferred over from NEXP to PF?
It sure seemed like it... particularily that "Frog Man" and "Thanksgiving" 
episodes that were on the most recently.
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From: bkt@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Barrie Trinkle)
Subject: Re: Adam and Eve
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:00:04 GMT

dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews) writes:

>In article <1993Jan7.192817.15763@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> rrulli@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Rebecca Rulli) writes:
>>In article <7JAN199312534369@zeus.tamu.edu> wkl5819@zeus.tamu.edu (LEVERICH, WILLIAM KENT) writes:
>>>Eve played Wayne's ex-girlfriend in Wayne's World? NOT!
>>>Wayne's ex-girlfriend was played by the actress who was Donna in Twin Peaks.
>>>I believe her name is Laura Flynn Boyle.

>>I disagree...I think that Eve was Wayne's ex in Wayne's World.  Does
>>anyone know for sure?

>NOT!  I know for sure, but i can't supply proof.  As an avid Twin Peaks fan
>i would recognize that actor any day of the week.  Wayne's ex was played by
>Laura Flynn Boyle.

Correct spelling:  Lara Flynn Boyle.  Yes, it was definitely her.
I don't think she and Eve look much alike--it's hard to understand
how anyone could get them confused.
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From: m4safran@student.business.uwo.ca (Melissa Safran)
Subject: Re: The Wolf; was Re: Was it 849?
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:43:10 GMT

RAE2@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

> Oh: Chris's voice has also been heard (but not confirmed) on radio ads
> for the commonwealth of Pennsylvania. What next?
> 
I'm not positive but I think that Chris' voice is also doing Nescafe 
commericals on the radio in Ontario (or maybe English Canada in total).  
It sounds like his style of poetic rambling (but in a good way) but I 
only hear it in my car so it's hard to tell if it's really him or if it's 
someone trying to sound like him.

Ciao!

m4safran@student.business.uwo.ca (Melissa Safran)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
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