From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Subject: Re: About contribution of Dravidian to Indian culture
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:44:46 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian

In article <BxnsAx.7oM@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering) writes:
> In article <BxM56x.2qq@cs.psu.edu>, narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana) writes:
> > In article <BxM031.Jp2@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan) writes:
> > >Unfortunately, if the word Tamil bother's you, read the whole text,
> > >after globally replacing it with the word 'pre-historic Telugu'.
> > >It might sound more acceptable. Or get your Tamil allergy cured.
> > 
> > 
> > Wow! I never knew that Tamil can cause allergies. Is there a 
> > vaccination for that! Or shall we say, acquire a bit of Tamil
> > patriotism, will it go away? Or should I become another dravidian
> > racist to cure my Tamil allergy? Hmm! I never knew that Tamil is
> > decease bearing. Keep up your patriotism!
> > ...kt
> > >
> > >K. Srinivasan
> > 
> 
> Narayana, instead of addressing the points put forth by Dr.Srinivasan,
> you are responding to something else. 

No, he is responding to what Mr. Srinivasan said.
Why do you guys have to bring out Professor, Dr. labels etc in this
discussion ? Are you trying to add some credibility by adding these
labels ? Well, if you are, it is not adding any credibility, at least in
my mind. It on the other hand seems to degrade 'Professors' and Drs. as
jingoists.

So do yourself and others a favor, stop using using these labels or stop
being fanatical, emotional and jingoistic.

> Did you CONSIDER what he said ?

There is NOTHING to consider. You have proved after all these long articles
(I saved them all and looked them again) that you are even more fanatical
compared to other fanatics like Virendra Verma on the net.

You are a Dravidian (Tamilian) fanatic and he is a Vedic fanatic.
It is high time you fanatics learn the art of silence ...

> By pointing out contributions of Tamil/Dravidian to Indian culture and
> Heritage how can one become 'dravidian racist' and 'tamil patriot' ?
> I hope you will begin to UNDERSTAND !

Problem is that you portrayed Tamil/Dravidian culture as the mother of
Indian cultures and languages. This is ridiculous and fanatical.
You portrayed Aryans as invaders etc. There is no basis for that either.

India has a multitude of cultures which have little in common with Tamil 
culture or Dravidian culture.

There is little in common in Tamil language and other languages in INdia.
Whatever is common, is the Sanskrit words. 

Aryan tribes did migrate into India, however it also appears that even 
Dravidian tribes migrated into India, albeit a little earlier than the
Aryan tribes. Mongoloid tribes also migrated into India from the Northeast
regions. Original inhabitants of India are not Aryans or Dravidian
but the people who are today called as scheduled tribes. They are like
Native Americans in Americas.

There is ample evidence that all these migrating tribes into India
gradually gained dominance in various parts of India, developed their own
languages and traditions. Because of the trade, territorial expansions through
wars, marriage alliances and social interactions there was intermixing and 
commonality of some language words, values and traditions.
The average Indian culture is just that : a set of common values and 
traditions that evolved over thousdands of years (there is no point feuding
over how many thousand years etc.)

Quit feuding and try to identify those common values and traditions
that have kept Indians together over thousands of years. Think of yourself
as Indians first and then of your region.

I have to admit that Tamil contributions to Indian 
culture and values are somewhat under appreciated. In this sense your posts
have contributed to create greater awareness of Tamil values and cultural
contribution among rest of the Indians.

However your fanatical and jingoistic approach to this has also created
resentment among rest of the Indians including your fellow Dravidians
from neighboring states, not to mention people from faraway states like
Rajasthan ...

Just kidding. 

However on a serious note, I have been wondering if the Dravidian tribes 
burnt the forests in Rajasthan area on their way to migration to deep 
south. I read in some World History book that the most ancient culture in 
India was in Rajasthan desert area. This area became desert because all the 
trees there were destroyed somehow. It happened thousands of years back. 
The book mentions about 10,000 B.C. for this. Could it be that the 'invading'
Dravidian tribes on their way into India cut and burnt these trees for 
fuel etc. ? :-) :-) :-)



Alok
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