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From: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: prenatal testing...
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:01:15 GMT
Reply-To: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon

In article <1992Sep1.212610.19299@src.honeywell.com>, jgelhaus@src.honeywell.com (Jennifer Gelhaus) writes:
|> 
|> In article <1692@shaman.wv.tek.com> alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh) writes:
|> >Generally, the full bladder is needed for early ultrasounds.  It keeps
|> >everything pressed forward so things are easier to find.  At the end of the
|> >pregnancy, the baby is impossible to miss!
|> 
|> Define "early". I'm at 29 weeks and so far I've had to have ultrasounds at 
|> 11 weeks, 20 weeks, and 25 weeks (for various reasons). I was required to
|> have a full bladder for all three.
|> 

I had an ultrasound at 37 weeks and I too was required to have a full
bladder. 


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	Linda Harbin       Hillsboro, Oregon 
	503-696-2261       linda@littlei.intel.com
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From: larrabee@cse.ucsc.edu (Tracy Larrabee)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: prenatal testing
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:03:52 GMT
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Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
NNTP-Posting-Host: arapaho.ucsc.edu


I would like to recommend the book "What Tests for my Unborn Baby." It
has great sections on Amniocentesis, CVS, Ultrasound, and fetal-chord
blood sampling.  The ultrasound section is great for preparing you
to recognize various structures.

I don't have my copy of the book right now because I loaned it out, but
I am pretty sure I have the name right.  I've seen the book in more than
one bookstore in the SF Bay area.

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From: demartinib@cpva.saic.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: re: Baby Cries in Carseat
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:24:43 PST
Organization: Science Applications Int'l Corp./San Diego

In response to the request for advise for a friend who's baby cried in the car
unless snuggled on mom's lap:

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ask her to reconsider removing the baby from the car seat. 
The idea of a child becoming an instant `airbag' for the parent in the event of
an accident or sudden stop makes me shudder.  Too many children (and adults)
are killed because available safety restrains are not used.  Is it worth your
child's life just because they are unhappy in the car?  (Yes, I have had to
listen to non-stop crying before, but I NEVER considered holding the child on
my lap to pacify them.)

For those who try to justify it with notion that they drive more carefully
when the child is unrestrained, what about everyone else on the road?  Do you
really think that everyone else is taking YOUR child's safety into
consideration when they dart in front of you, run a stop sign, brake suddenly,
etc.?  

Brenda DeMartini
SAIC, San Diego CA

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sian@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (S. Meikle)
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re:  Justin...)
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 04:53:47 GMT

In article <eaa-010992102358@smac-eaa.doc.ic.ac.uk> eaa@doc.ic.ac.uk (Liz Attree) writes:
>
>On reading various responses to Justin's birth story, some people have said
>that they felt they "missed out" on the experience of giving birth by
>having C-sections or epidurals.
[Liz goes on to wonder whether she would want to skip the epidural next
time, and not "miss out", but at the same time would hate to feel overwhelmed
by the pain but unable to do anything about it because the labour was too far
along for anaesthesia]
>Anyone have any thoughts on this?
>
You could ask for a light epidural... Mine sure didn't deaden the pain of 
contractions (in fact at the time I was quite peeved that it wasn't 
about sixty times stronger, and lividly jealous of a friend who said she
had felt like playing gin rummy after the epidural :-) ).  But it probably
did take the edge off slightly, and it still let me feel Emily as she came
out.  It was a great experience.

Sian


-- 

sian@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca                                  Sian Meikle
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: L638615@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Rear-facing carseats
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 20:15:31 GMT


I have a question.....

I've noticed a lot of people talking about rear-facing carseats being put
in the back seat.  Doesn't anybody worry that if they're driving the car
alone, and the baby is in the back seat, facing the opposite direction, that
they might not see something potentially dangerous occuring (like choking,
etc.)?

With my first child, I kept him in the front seat until he was in a forward
facing carseat.  Is this significantly more dangerous than my above worry?

Thanks in advance!

Kelly
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: differences between boys and girls
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:01:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.180052.4758@bcrka451.bnr.ca> seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson) writes:
>I am not so sure everyone agrees with that.  I have seen people shocked
>to discover that my 2.5yo carrying a doll was a boy (the shocked person 
>was a female airport security guard who looked to be ~20).  ...

On the other hand... 

A few months ago I had a patio built in my yard. The masons were all big
macho types, but very sweet. They really didnt want me to take Jeffrey to
his gandmother's, and were kidding me about letting them watch him for the
day. (I assume they were kidding ;-).) Jeffrey was in his stroller, ready
to go, and getting a demo on the cement mixer, when I suddenly realized that
we had forgotten Jeffrey's 'baby' in the house. At that point, Jeffrey never
went anywhere without baby, so I left Jeffrey and ran in for baby. I gave
Jeffrey his doll, and waited for comments from the men. They all seemed to
think it was all very normal. One said "we cant leave baby behind!". 
Of course, they were all parents, too. I was surprised that we didnt shock
them. I was a nice surprise.

Laura Floom




Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mylene@swanee.ee.uwa.edu.au (Mylene Pijpers)
Subject: Re: Ultrasounds
Organization: Elec Eng, Univ of Western Australia
Date:  4 Sep 92 02:53:11 GMT

In <1992Sep2.193147.29429@midway.uchicago.edu> owens@jonquil.uchicago.edu (Christopher Owens) writes:

>In article <1831dfINNdf8@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> nola@cats.ucsc.edu (Nola Van Vugt) writes:

>> If [fetal damage due to ultrasound] was occurring in humans you
>> would expect to see a higher incidence in birth defects in the
>> children of the people who were exposed to ultrasound in utero. 

>I would expect to see a higher incidence of birth defects in the
>children of people who were exposed to ultrasound in utero, even if
>ultrasound was causing no fetal damage.

>One would expect that mothers who had some reason to suspect that
>something might be wrong (high-risk pregnancy, family history of
>genetic problems, advanced maternal age) would be over-represented
>among those choosing ultrasound and, consequently, that the incidence
>of birth defects among those who had had ultrasound exams would be
>higher than among those who had not, irrespective of any causal role
>of ultrasound in birth defects.

>In order to accurately assess the effect of ultrasound, one might
>perform a very careful balanced study in which a group of ultrasound
>mothers were matched for all known birth defect risk factors with a
>group of non-ultrasound mothers, or one might perform a study in which
>women were randomly assigned to ultrasound or non-ultrasound
>conditions.  Doing an unambiguously good job at the former type of
>study is extremely difficult,  while the ethical factors militating
>against the latter study (e.g. frivolously imposing otherwise unneeded
>ultrasound exams for experimental reasons) are fairly obvious. 


I think there are enough ultrasounds done on non-risk pregnancies,
(1)to estimate/determine the due date, for instance (in the Netherlands
often done to be able to determine the start of maternity leave)
(2) and then there are the so-called fun-ultrasounds. Yesterday I
read this article in our dutch newspaper about a a firm that started
to do commercial ultrasounds, parents can go there and get pictures and
videotapes....  The medical community was reported to be relieved, as
it takes an average 10 minutes more to get a 'nice' picture of the foetus 
to put in your baby~book. 

Mylene

BTW, Who of us has a picture of her/his own mother, being obviously pregnant?
Not me. One thing the article stated is that "birth" and all that
surrounds it gets more public all the time. 
Anyone already videotaped the outcome of the home~pregnancy~test?
Or these tests to determine your ovulation or whatever?

Sorry, this stays a topic I keep feeling strongly about





Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jpa@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jayne Ashworth)
Subject: Help with words to _Puff the Magic Dragon_
Originator: jpa@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU
Organization: Academic Computing, U. Va.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:50:00 GMT

I have all the words to all the verses of _Puff the Magic Dragon_
as it is done by Peter, Paul and Mary.  Some years ago, at a Girl
Scout camp, I heard an additional verse.  The PP&M version ends
with the boy outgrowing the dragon and the dragon returning to
his cave.  The verse I am seeking explained how the boy grew
into a man who had his own son and that son played with Puff.
Can anyone help?  Via e-mail I am jpa@virginia.edu - thanks.
                                    Jayne Ashworth
From: smergen@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Sandra Mergen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Right Start Catalog
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:08:22 GMT


The number for the Right Start Catalog is 1 800 548-8531
which is 1 800 LITTLE 1

They are located in Westlake Village, CA


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Re: Sand under Swings?
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:33:30 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1992Sep1.161932.26204@cbnewse.cb.att.com> elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen) writes:
 > Wouldn't there be an additional downside that the rocks would get
 > scattered into the grass, thus increasing the danger of the 
 > lawn mower catapulting rocks across the yard?  You'd have to make sure
 > nobody was within a yards-width when the lawn was mowed.

This sounds like a serious issue to me.  I remember once as a
teen-ager mowing my family's lawn and hearing a sharp "knock."  A
minute later, my neighbor came out to inform me that a small chain
link had been catapulted through his large picture window (with enough
velocity *not* to shatter the window), and lodged in his living room
wall.  The distance traveled was about 50 feet, and it was clearly
moving at a dangerous velocity at the end of its trajectory.  I've
been nervous ever since, whenever I've found myself passing a running
mower (and I was also much more careful in the future about scouting
out the yard for debris before and while mowing).

I would think the wood chips suggested by somebody else would pose a
much lesser threat, at least at moderate distances.  I'd expect them
to be slowed much more quickly by air drag than would pebbles.

-Andy

PS - It's been a while since mowing and mowers have been an issue for
me, but I recall that in the 70's (I think) mowers with wires to do
the cutting (instead of stiff, heavy blades) started becoming popular.
I seem to recall they were recommended largely because they were
incapable of chopping off the operator's foot.  I always figured
they'd also be less likely to launch dangerous projectiles.  Have
these mowers caught on?  Are heavy-bladed mowers still in common use?
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson)
Subject: Re: differences between boys and girls
Keywords: Boys Girls
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:25:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.171342.29761@cco.caltech.edu> hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough) writes:
>Sorry, Keith, this is admirable but with thinking like this, what you're
>sure to get is a little girl who wants _dresses_ and _Barbies_.
>(Take it from someone who's been there--my mother dispaired with me
>because I was such a tomboy; my daughter is the child my mother
>always wanted).

Well, maybe we're just lucky, but my boys (5.5 & 7.5) like dolls
AND cars; needlepoint AND woodworking; housecleaning AND gardening.
(Boggles the mind how anyone could like housecleaning, but they always
beg to vacuum/dust/wash dishes/wash floors.)

-- 
Seanna Watson   Bell-Northern Research, 
(seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Opinions, what opinions?  Oh *these* opinions. | It's hard to seize the
No, they're not BNR's, they're mine.           | day when you must first
I knew I'd left them somewhere.                | grapple with the morning.
From: padgett@inyo.caltech.edu (Deborah Padgett)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re:  Justin...)
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:18:30 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, University of Massachusetts at Amherst


(Responding to the question of whether anyone videotapes their births)

We didn't videotape Anna's arrival via c-section (heck, my husband
never peeked over the screen!). However, we did audio tape the whole
thing, starting with intermittant "interviews" of me during labor.
The comments of the surgeons and nurses are pretty amusing, especially
"look at all the hair!" just before Anna's 1st cry is heard. My
husband's dad filmed one of his kid's birth with 16mm in the early
60's - haven't seen that one yet :).

Debbie
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Baby Cries in Carseat
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:15:27 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

> clg@cray.com (Coni Gehler) writes:
>Question for netland:  How much less safe is it to put the rear-facing
>infant seat in the front seat instead of the center of the back seat?

The instructions for our Century carseat said to put the seat in the
front seat if there's only one adult in the car.  It's got to be safer
than me being panicstricken because I can't see him and don't know if
he's still breathing.  (No smileys--I'm a worrying sort of new-mom)

We had it in the middle back for a while, but I couldn't stand it when
I was alone in the car with him.

Brag note: Jordan is 6 weeks old today and he's slept through the
night 3 nights in a row!


--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Need Volunteer for Babyproofing FAQ File
Date: 26 Aug 1992 19:58:11 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu
Summary: got a live one!
Keywords: FAQ, volunteer

I've been overwhelmed by the number of people willing to take over
the Babyproofing FAQ file, which was an unexpected and pleasant
surprise.  The new contact person for the file is:  Sandra Smith,
sandra@csri.toronto.edu.  

Thanks to all who responded so quickly and enthusiastically, and
thanks to anyone who was about to volunteer!
-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 20 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rabbit@leland.Stanford.EDU (Aleta Hanna)
Subject: Re: Tax-deductible Childcare Expenses?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:43:14 GMT

>Yup, I had the same thought since my mother wanted to daycare my son on
>occasion and I would have liked to have paid her...but, these plans
>explicitly state that the day care person can not be a relative.  I
>suspect if the relative was running a state licensed day care there
>might be an exception, but in the case of the above (emergency
>situation) and my mother this was not true.  I think the real point is
>that the daycare giver (eg. grandma) must report this income since I
>know that a tax number for the caretaker is required on the forms we
>turn in each month.
>
>In our case it wasn't a constant enough thing to go through all the
>paperwork.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Buffy Hyler (hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com)
>SAIC, Campus Point
>San Diego, California
>----------------------------------------------------------------------


I don't know what plan you are talking about, however, the plan where
you can deduct up to $5,000 before taxes and have to send in receipts
for reimbursment DOES allow a family member to be the care provider.
The only stippulation is that the relative cannot live with you.  For a
year and a half, my mother took care of my son until his little brother
was born.  I payed her and had the money taken from my paycheck and sent
in receipts and received reimbursement checks, all legally.  When you
file your taxes for the year, you have to provide either the tax number
for the daycare center or the social securitY number. 

I think most of us are talking about the Internal Revenue Code Section
125.  Naturally, since it's the IRS, the rules don't change from state
to state.  There is some discretion  allowed by the "Plan
Administrator" as to what changes in family status are permitted.

Here in the SF bay area, it doesn't matter if you miss a month or two
during the year; $5,000 doesn't even come close to matching the full
cost of childcare.

Aleta 

*************************
Aleta Hanna
Maps and Records
Stanford University
rabbit@lindy.stanford.edu
*************************
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:56:17 EDT
From: Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Toys: books for 6mos to 1 year
Distribution: na
 <LOWRY.92Sep2125411@rotor.watson.ibm.com>

In article <LOWRY.92Sep2125411@rotor.watson.ibm.com>, lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy
Lowry) says:
>
>In article <1992Sep2.154439.6741@nas.nasa.gov> choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana
>Choi) writes:
> > If anyone has any titles, could they please share them with me?  I've been
> > looking for a sturdy book with lots of pretty pictures.
>
>My daughter (nearly 1 year) doesn't seem to like pretty pictures
>nearly as much as she likes books she can do things with.  Like

Doug is also near a year (just 2 more weeks until "our" first birthday)
and is much more interested in the mechanics of books than the stories
or pictures.  Right now, he likes two books by Nancy Tafuri (I think
that's right).  One is "In a red house" the other is "my friends".
Both have just one picture on a page, but nice bright colors and are
very sturdy board books.  Doug has just started bringing us a book to
read--usually "in a red house"--although his favorite page now is one
with a ball--his new word.  He won't let you turn the pages,
"bah"  "yes, that's a ball"  "bah"  "yes, it's an orange ball" "bah"
"yes, the ball has stars on it" "bah"  etc......

The first book he liked to hear was "Baby's farm animals" about baby duck
looking for mother duck.  I don't know what it was about it, but he would
get excited when we read it, even when he was 4 months old.

He also has one of those chunky board books about trucks that he just
likes to play: open-close-open-close.  Who said kids have short atten-
tion spans?  I've watched Doug play for 15 minutes opening and closing a
book.

Chris Himes
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel)
Subject: Re: Seatbelts in buses(ses?) ???
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:14:00 GMT

In article <0eauIPO0hXuaQDnFs3@andrew.cmu.edu>, sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shirl G. Grant) writes...
>Teresa,
> 
>	Thank God someone else out there wonders about this too.  My son has ~3
>years before school, and I seriously doubt that I will send him on the
>bus unless there are seat belts.  There was an accident here in
>Pittsburgh not too long ago, really minor, and all the children injured
>would have been spared if they had been wearing seat belts.

I thought that, statistically, most of the school bus injuries were a result 
of the driver running over the children, presumeably because there are places 
a child can stand near the bus and cannot be seen. I spent a term in a school 
in France, and one time was shut in a bus door (not hurt), as I got on late 
on the round, and as the bus served several schools and was really full, had 
to get off at the first school and get back on again. The driver didn't see 
me standing just by the door.

Why not seatbelts on all buses? I don't believe that bus drivers are 
inherently safer than most responsible adults who care about their passengers 
(such as parents), it's just that buses are heavier than most vehicles and 
tend to win in a collision. 

Andrew
From: alison@husky.informix (Alison Suggs)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Children and Pitbulls
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:17:18 GMT
Reply-To: alison@husky.informix
Organization: Informix Software


No need to panic even with purebred pit bulls.  ANY dog, including the cute,
fluffy cocker spaniel down the street, can be dangerous, and ANY dog, including
the 120-lb rottweiler, can be perfectly safe with children.  There is no
foundation to breed-specific fears. 

You should be much more concerned about how the dog has been raised and is
cared for now.  While some bad-tempered dogs are born that way (usually
due to lousy breeding - look for this in overbred breeds like poodles 
and cockers)  most bad-tempered dogs are MADE BY THEIR OWNERS.  Poor 
socialization as a puppy may cause alot of trouble - if the dog has never
seen a child before, he may not know that the little person is liable to
pull hunks of dog hair out.  Similarly, if the dog was not socialized into
believing that his or her status was less than any humans, he may have ideas
about how much force he can use to object to having his hair pulled out,or
his ears, or being stepped on or squeezed.

Personally, this dog sounds like a potential problem, not because it is 
part pitbull, but because one of its owners says she hates it (if it's so 
fine with children, why does she hate it?) and because they keep it 
chained in the yard, and especially because the dog can escape its confinement.
Your average dog, however, does not run around spontaneously running up
to children and biting them.  If the children are even casually supervised
(and I'd presume that children that young would be) problems can be 
averted by keeping the kids away from the dog.  Don't let them tease him 
while he chained, he will very likely remember his enemies.  If he's loose,
catch him and tie him to their front porch.  

I wouldn't worry about the dog biting another dog, even after a month.  THey
likely were still working out their pecking order.  My 10-year-old husky 
will still bite strange dogs, and wouldn't think of parting her lips to so
much as snarl at a human.

Hope this helps

Alison
From: day_kevran@tandem.tandem.com (Kevran Day )
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Garlic whilst nursing
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:22:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: 130.day_kevran-030992102757
Followup-To: misc.kids
Distribution: na
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.

In article <Eebc0ze0hXuaE2Gkpi@andrew.cmu.edu>, sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shirl
G. Grant) wrote:
> 
> Stay away from Garlic powder unless your are testing the baby's
> response.  Many, incl. mine, got colicky.  I hear real garlic is OK, and
> can't wait to try it out next year!
> 
> -Shirl

I took garlic oil capsules while nursing.  I found that I had my best 
let-down about 1/2 hour after taking them and the kid nursed better.
Plus, the garlic capsules claim to be odor-free.  I did continue to eat
lots of garlic, too.

Kevran (mom to Jason - 2YO and ??? due in Oct.)