HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Dr. Dean another Ophra?
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 21:44:02 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dean Edell propagates a lot of misinformation.  I remember once on local
TV (he has a spot on the local ABC affiliate) when posed a multiple-
choice question to the news anchors, asking which country had the highest
rate of breast cancer.  The "country" which was the answer he gave as
correct was -- British Columbia.  Another time he gave the botanical
source of colchicine as the bulb of the iris (it's actually the crocus).
Just a few days ago, he named linoleic acid as the only essential fatty
acid (actually, there are two essential fatty acids, linoleic and linolenic
acid).

Though these seem like small enough errors by themselves, there are so
darn many of them that I have long since decided that Edell is an unreliable
source of information.  I'm afraid I only catch a few errors when they
concern something I know about, and uncounted other errors pass by with
me none the wiser.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: lucy@sfu.ca (Lucy Chan)
Subject: Relocating: how to find new doctor?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, BC, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:25:35 GMT

It looks like I'll be moving to the Los Angeles area in the near future and
now I'm wondering how I should go about finding a new doctor (and dentist)
once I'm there. Are there any referral services out there? How unbiased are
they? When I'm interviewing the doctor, what kinds of questions should I
ask? I don't have any unusual problems that need special attention and I
usually only go to the doctor's office when I have an injury or when it's
time for a checkup (e.g. pap test). By the way, should I be looking for a
gynecologist or will a general practitioner do? (I'm not even *thinking*
about having children for at least five years.) 

Geographic specifics: I'll be moving to the San Fernando Valley, living in
Northridge at first and probably moving northwest, toward Chatsworth, later
on. The job that I'm thisclose to getting will be in Sherman Oaks and the
company might move to Burbank in the next year or so.

Thanks in advance,

Lucy.
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Voltaren
Date: 15 Sep 92 04:32:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep15.043213.22467
Distribution: na
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <12867@sit> landriau@Software.Mitel.COM (Marc Landriault) writes:
>Recently my aunt has been diagnosed with calcification 
>of the bone, and a doctor has prescribed the drug Voltaren.

Voltaren is just a NSAID.  That is, an aspirin-like compound used as an
analgesic and anti-inflammatory drug.

>Can someone explain to me this disease, and is 
>this medication effective ?
>I beleive a blood sample has detected the calcification.

You haven't really given enough information to make a reasonable comment.
Could you be more explicit about her diagnosis?

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: doyle+@pitt.edu (Howard R Doyle)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: purulent mediastinitis
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:10:08 GMT
Organization: Pittsburgh Transplant Institute

In article <1992Sep3.014751.26014@news.acns.nwu.edu> lowreypl@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Phillip Lowrey) writes:
>
>	Recently I read an autopsy report of a man who had sustained a stab
>wound to the chest.  The coroner stated that the cause of death was 1.)
>purulent mediastinitis and 2.) percarditis, both a direct result of the stab
>wound.  I understand what both of the causes are in pathological terms,
>however, what was the most likely mode of death (severe infection, heart

The man died of sepsis (overwhelming infection).

>trauma, etc)?  Since the subject had time to develop an infection from the
>wound it would seem reasonable that he did not die until several days
>following the stabbing.  How long could one survive such trauma without
>treatment?  


Hard to say. Depends on many factors, such as the age of the patient, previous
state of health, and the organisms involved. Technically speaking, though,
mediastinitis is a real bitch.

--------------------------
Howard Doyle
doyle+@pitt.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: seeger@oceania.com (Seeger Fisher)
Subject: Re: Acne. What can be done?
Reply-To: seeger@oceania.com
Organization: Oceania Health Care Systems
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:19:20 GMT

In article <markmc.716165452@sierra.com> markmc@sierra.com (Mark McWiggins)  
writes:
> seeger@oceania.com (Seeger Fisher) writes:
> 
> >... perscribe some Cleocin-T (clendomycin?) and some Desquam  
> >wash. This stuff works GREAT!! .. the nasty vermin for quite some time, the  
> >Cleocin-T 1% gel is incredible!!
> 
> 
> 10% benzoyl peroxide solution works for me. It's available as Clearasil
> (in recent years; used to be some less effective stuff) and others.
> --

Actually, the Desquam wash has Benzoyl Peroxide in it (maybe 10%). The Cleocin,  
also topical, is an antibiotic.
-- 
|     seeger@oceania.com     |
| NeXT-mail happily consumed | 

Newsgroups: sci.med
From: drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas Rand)
Subject: Re: Politics and sci.med (was: unc health care study)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
	<oefaGxe00WBLE6Ce8D@andrew.cmu.edu> <natndhj.strnlght@netcom.com>
Date: 10 Sep 92 10:43:03

In article <natndhj.strnlght@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:

   Sean McLinden repeats, then responds to a post of mine about Gordon
   Banks that I cancelled many hours ago. I decided that given Banks'
   other messages and his fine contributions, my response to one of his
   infrequent intemperate messages was probably unnecessary escalation.

   I find McLinden's post offensive since he previously sent it to me via
   mail and I told him I had cancelled my post. In effect, by quoting my
   cancelled post in his, he is inflaming the discussion gratuitously
   while already knowing my post was cancelled.

   I've told the few others who mailed me just before I cancelled the
   post that I did so, and why. The post was active on the net for about
   10 minutes.  They had the good grace to drop the matter there, but
   apparently not McLinden.

   I apologize to Banks for McLinden's rude behavior to the extent that
   McLinden's quoting of a cancelled post of mine gave offense.

Perhaps you had the best of intentions,  but that cancelled post 
definitely made it here.  I can well imagine that it made it to
others as well.  Perhaps Sean felt you were disingenuous,  perhaps
not.  Maybe you need to check your news software?
--
Douglas S. Rand <drand@osf.org>		OSF/Motif Dev.
Snail:         11 Cambridge Center,  Cambridge,  MA  02142
Disclaimer:    I don't know if OSF agrees with me... let's vote on it.
Amateur Radio: KC1KJ
From: sean+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sean McLinden)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Xanax
Date: 14 Sep 92 04:12:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.Yeh87=K00UzxI1Dp15
	<BuJ8KE.Ku5@cgl.ucsf.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>> Either evidence exists for the efficacy of a treatment or it doesn't.
>> If it doesn't, then those that say the treatment is ineffective are
>> clinically correct.
 
>You're forgetting that correctly designed studies may fail to detect
>real therapeutic effects because they lack statistical power.  Any study
>which fails to show a difference between treatment and non-treatment
>groups should comment on the statistical power of the study.
>Unfortunately, many readers forget to think of this too, and conclude
>that a treatment is ineffective when in reality there is simply too
>little evidence to base a decision on.

Au contraire. I'm not forgetting that at all. You can assert that your
study fails to detect therapeutic effects because of a lack of statistical
validity or you can say it was sunspots or "bad karma" but the point is
that you have demonstrated no effect. Why this was so is a curiosity and,
perhaps, justification for another study. But it does not, and should not,
alter any clinical decisions.

"Too little evidence" as you put it, is no better than no evidence at all.

Sean McLinden
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: "Incompetent doctors"
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:54:13 GMT
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

jrt@omega.kcr.uky.edu (J. Randall Thompson) writes:
>. Here, most of the faculty rotate 
> through both the VA and University, so depending on when you are 
> admitted, you could have the same physicians at both institutions.
> It is humorous to have patients tell me how they would never go to
> the VA because of the doctors when I could be the physician seeing
> them there, too.

Ah yes, and all student health doctors are also incompetents ;-)

I stayed on as a post-doc at my old school, and beseeched the Powers
That Were to let me keep using Student Health on a full-fee basis,
since my experience with the Town Doctors was fairly dismal... This
greatly amused the MD's and RN's at Student Health, who had heard
students say that "they'd never go to Student Health because the
staff was so old (median age maybe 35) and incompetent"!.  

Oh yes, my "funny mole" that had to be biopsied as a possible melanoma
was checked out by one of the Town dermatologists who spent
a half day each week at Student Health.  Total cost to me for the biopsy
and after care at SH was $3.  Hate to think what full rates would have
been.

Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI
From: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Doctors are Often the First to Recognize an Abused Child
Date: 14 Sep 92 00:08:24 GMT
Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <98snwgp.lindae@netcom.com> lindae@netcom.com writes:
>
>
>It is often the case that a child's doctor will be the first
>to recognize that the child is being abused.  If you are a doctor,
>would you know how to spot abuse?  It's not always clear-cut.  

Several years ago, while moonlighting, a child with diarrhea was
brought in by the parents, or at least mother and boyfriend. 
Something struck me as "wrong" and I worried about abuse, and
looked the child over very carefully. I could find no marks
or bruises, and there was no story of trauma, just the diarrhea.
Four days later the child was brought into the ER unresponsive,
and died a few days later. The diarrhea had persisted, and had
outraged the boyfriend, who hit the child. 

I felt very bad, because my suspicion had been correct, but I did
not have anything objective to go with it. So, yes, physicians
are sometimes the first to suspect something. But no, they can't
always do something about it.

 -km
From: bets@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Beth Schwindt)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: MIGRAINE
Date: 6 Sep 1992 16:48:55 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

As far as food allergies go, you might try going to a clinic in
Wichita, KS that specilizes in determining the causes of migraines and
alleviating them.  My dad, 2 aunts and I all suffer from them in varying
degrees.  Dad went to the clinic and turned out to be at least mildly
allergic to about 60 percent of common foods and food additives.  The
worst turned out to be beef, wheat, tomatoes and a particular food coloring.
By getting rid of those four things, he managed to cut his headaches by
50%.  He then proceeded to eliminate the other allergens and went from
3 headaches a week that required an average of 3 Cafergot to get rid of
them to 1 headache every 10 days that takes about a 1/2 of a Cafergot.

Beth

Disclaimer:  I'm not associated with the clinic in any way.  I'm just
very happy with the results they've managed to effect....


-- 
The brighest day in America will be when education has enough funding and
the Air Force has to hold a bake sale to buy a new bomber....My history
teacher (from the Wireless catalog) bets@matt.ksu.ksu.edu, bets@ksuvm.ksu.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Xanax
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:41:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.055441.22439@equator.com> jod@equator.com (John Setel O'Donnell) writes:
>Most people who've grown up in our culture have experienced the abuse I'm
>talking about, the helping professions included.  

I think you're begging for abuse--here: you're a looney tune.
What nonsense!  And these people expect to be treated seriously
when they pop up here.  It boggles the mind!


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: biological basis for homosexuality
From: Scott.Phillips@f140.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Scott Phillips)
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:07:37 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:150/140 - Black Bag BBS, Wilmington DE


 Any one have any info  about the recent research supporting a
 biological basis for homosexuality.   Was trying to relate the
 specifics to a friend and couldn't remember the exact details.
 She has a friend whose husband's two brothers are gay.


 

--  
Internet: Scott.Phillips@f140.n150.z1.fidonet.org
From: phr@soda.berkeley.edu (Paul Rubin)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: wisdom teeth removal
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:42:09
Organization: CSUA/UCB
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: des@helix.nih.gov's message of Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:07:57 GMT

Mine were impacted sideways; the surgeon had to actually break up
two of them to get out the pieces.  Yet the operation was easy for
me, and the recovery not too unpleasant.  I was woozy for a couple
days but did not need any of the heavy duty painkiller I'd been
supplied with.  I am glad that I opted for general anesthesia
(Brevitol) for the operation.  I'm convinced that I'd have had
a much worse time, during and after, if I'd been awake during the
surgery.  As it was, I felt like only a few seconds had passed
between going under in the dentists chair and waking up in
the next room.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Xanax
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 06:07:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


Mark Kline says: "Many rational mainstream psychiatrists and
psychologists would doubt the canard that symptoms supressed over here
pop out over there."

My point exactly. if "rational mainstream psychiatrists" agree, then
I don't need to bother adducing that the NLP or Behavioral crowd
agrees. My interest was in calling attention to the falsity of the
assertion, and if the "mainstream" has that view as well, I don't
need to trigger all the irrationality that comes out of the woodwork
when NLP is mentioned.

David
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: the invasion of the NLP droids (was Re: Xanax)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 19:10:54 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


In his latest attack message Steven Dyer once more shows his inability
to distinguish between curiosity, inquiry, and reporting, and advocacy.

He is, however, well skilled in thought policing, fascism, and Luddite
attacks on anything remotely resembling something he doesn't agree with.

Although I'm a relative newcomer to this group, it's abundantly clear
that Dyer belongs to the "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with
facts" school of thought, and that his idea of logic is name-calling.

I thought I'd use his techniques in this one reply message--perhaps he
has discovered a new method  scientific inquiry, and I'm always
willing to learn. Perhaps it was an oversight in my Ph.D. program that
they didn't teach me this novel method of seeking truth.

David
Xref: sparky sci.med:17427 sci.skeptic:16462
From: wsadjw@rw6.urc.tue.nl (Jan Willem Nienhuys)
Newsgroups: sci.med,sci.skeptic
Subject: Short (was Re: Chiropractic and Flame Bait (long))
Keywords: Chiropractors,Prejudice,Flame
Date: 15 Sep 92 09:23:38 GMT
Reply-To: wsadjw@urc.tue.nl
Followup-To: sci.med
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands

In article <BuG8qy.GLr@belay> buick@belay (Patrick D. Buick) writes:
[very much]

The problem with chiropractors (or manual therapists, as some of them are
called), is that as a group the cover the whole range from dangerous
quacks to more or less orthodox physiotherapists. 
For some kinds of pain in the back or the neck it doesn't make too
much difference whether it is treated (massaged) by a physiotherapist
or a "manual therapists"; the doctor's advice to take it easy or
placebo therapy is only marginally (though significantly) worse, I
believe.

From what I remember, those mysterious dislocations are in itself 
not so serious.  There seems to be no reliable connection between
various anatomical irregularities of the vertebrae and the discs 
between them and actual complaints.  Reliable research in this
field is largely missing.  Recently it was reported that 1800
clinical investigations on the effectiveness of physiotherapy
were all done so poorly (from modern standpoint), that no conclusion 
whatsoever was possible.

JWN
From: phr@soda.berkeley.edu (Paul Rubin)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: headaches (was Re: Xanax)
Date: 10 Sep 92 02:21:10
Organization: CSUA/UCB
	<NAU.92Sep9214128@frabjous.cs.umd.edu> <-atnw#h.strnlght@netcom.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: strnlght@netcom.com's message of Thu, 10 Sep 92 06:24:56 GMT

	[Interesting description of NLP headache cure]

I've done something similar to that for quite a long while, since before
I ever heard of NLP.  I can get rid of most headaches that way, but not all.
I think just getting into that quiet internal space helps me relax
and that helps the headache.  Also, someone told me many headaches
are caused by irregular blood flow in the scalp (I don't know if
this is true) so perhaps the relaxation is helping that too.
Neck and scalp massages often have similar effects.
From: dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Depression: Nutritional treatments
Date: 12 Sep 92 16:51:52 GMT
	<DLB.92Sep11131445@fanny.wash.inmet.com>
	<1992Sep11.180905.27780@spdcc.com>
Organization: Intermetrics Inc., Washington Division, USA

In article <1992Sep11.180905.27780@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve
Dyer) writes:

   I don't recall this David (see above) being flamed.

Ah ha!!! the mystery explained.

Rest of explanation deleted, except:

   Yeah, having the same first name as a bonafide bozo.  Can you do
   something about this?  :-)

Well, you can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, or......

I would have simply given thanks by Email; however, I have a promise
to Gordon Banks to fulfill.

I promised a reference to the NLP fast phobia cure follow-up.  Turns
out the follow-up was not as long term as I remembered; however, here
it is.

Einspruch, Eric L. and Forman, Bruce D.  "Neurolinguistic Programming
in the Treatment of Phobias".  Psychotherapy in Private Practice,
1980, 6(1), pages 91-100.  I have no idea if this journal is peer
reviewed.

For those who are really interested, there was a fairly sharp exchange
(at least, judged by the abstracts) between Einspruch and Froman, and
Sharpley in the Journal of Counseling Psychology: Sharpley in 1984
31(2), 238-248, Einspruch in 1985 32(4), pages 589-596 and Sharpley
again in 1987, 34(1), 103-107.

There is a pretty extensive bibliography on NLP related dissertations
and articles compiled by Lyle Chubb on the AIFORUM on Compuserve.  It
is VERY long.  If I may be permitted a very subjective summary:
eliminating books and articles in specifically NLP related
publications (Anchor Point and the Rapporter) and NLP related books
(training and the like), the research psychologists seem to think
there is nothing determinable here, and the clinical psychologists
seem to think there is something useful here ("here" meaning the vague
"in NLP in general; the specific articles and dissertations address
specific parts of NLP).  The eye accessing cues in particular take a
beating by the researchers; there seems very little support for this
particular NLP theory.  Other specific theories get mixed reviews
(predicate matching and such).  Specific therapies are usually
compared with other theraputic techniques, where they seem to come in
about equivalent --- not better, not worse than others.  There is some
variation in all of the above, and remember that is is my own,
subjective summary.

					Dave Barton
					dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: jat8419@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (TRAUMA JUNKIE)
Subject: Re: What is Lupus?
Reply-To: jat8419@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:46:25 GMT

I know vwey little about the disease..I do know that the pt. should avoid
excessive exposure to sun.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
John A. Ternay
Emergency Medical Services Certified First Responder
Pre-Medical Studies				R.I.T. Ambulance
MD2B					Cornwall Volunteer Ambulance Corps.
			"Trauma Junkie"
            "We make house-calls....all night long"
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Children of smokers
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:14:50 GMT
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

gwr@hedonist-1.lanl.gov (Graham W. Redgrave) writes:
> bf455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bonita Kale) writes: 
> |> I've been wondering for a while if children of smokers, who live in a
> |> smokey environment, develop any sort of physical tolerance for or addiction
> |> to the smoke.  Is there any way of telling?  Or is the nicotine, which I
> |> gather is the addictive part, only absorbed by the smoker him/herself?
> 
> Here's my anecdote:  
> None of the three of us brothers smokes.  (I've been told that my first word was
> "Yuck!" in imitation of the adults around me who kept trying to stop me playing
> in the ashtrays!  Sound gross?  Does to me ... ;-))

My last cigarette (and first) was 35 yrs ago, at age 4, when my folks made me
smoke one so I'd quit playing in the ashtrays.

My anecdotes:  I'm now asthmatic, and the fastest asthma trigger I have
is tobacco smoke.  And from working with dilute nicotine sulfate preparations
(used to slow ciliary movement in protozoa), I can tell you that I experience
nicotine toxicity symptoms sooner than any one I worked with on the project.

Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Xanax
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 00:01:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


John Setel O'Donnell says, in a recent message: "Try to suppress the
coding and you suppress the individual without healing what's wrong."

That's the premise of much of the therapeutic community. Others
ask not "Why?" but "What would it take to change?" In particular
the Neuro-lingustic Programming people are famous for 15 minute
phobia cures of patients long in therapy without success. They
have other techniques for what are ordinarily considered neurotic
symptoms.

Orthodox psychiatrists would argue that the symptoms are simply suppressed,
and will recur, perhaps in other ways. It would seem the empirical
data from the NLP crowd calls this assumption into question.

Does anyone have any evidence, either way, on this subject?

David