HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: juvvadi@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Ramana R. Juvvadi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Reservation issue
Date: 22 Aug 92 15:19:01 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

In article <1992Aug22.044259.6089@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ramesh@veda.cwru.edu writes:


>	BTW, your statement that reservations were made to benefit politicians  
>and their relatives is pretty short-sighted. Maybe you should first enlighten  
>yourself by reading some of the books on the history of India. 
>
>

This is not an argument at all. Saying 'you are short sighted, enlighten
yourself' doesn't prove anything. If you have an argument please present it.
Whether the scheme was designed for the 'elite' in the backward class or not 
is a moot point. I have no doubt that it only serves the backward 'elite'.

Reservation is not directed at the average backward class person or the
downtrodden one. It is directed at the best among them who happen
as good as anybody from the 'fc'.

Here is an anology. The literacy among the the Telugus is much lower than
the national average. Can I say that all Telugus should have reservation
in the central government institutions? This is not as ridiculous as it
seems. They have tried that in Sri Lanka and I don't have to tell you
what happened.


>
>Well, the issue of 'social inequities' deserves only a mention I guess. How can  
>you eradicate 'social inequities' without knowing what it is? Turmoil? Yes,  
>when the 'backward caste' people realise how they have been deprived of their  
>natural rights for thousands of years, sure there is going to be turmoil. No  
>doubt about it.
>
>Ramesh
>--

The only lesson you can draw from the past mistakes is not to repeat them.
Trying to take revenge is very dangerous. Can India drop a nuclear bomb on
Britain because they ruled us for two hundred years? Can Hindus kill all the
Muslims because they conquered us?

Ramana
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.portuguese
From: bhattach@dip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya)
Subject: Re: Origin of the word 'caste' (was Re: Fair and lovely: Remember that face cream ?)
Keywords: color skin
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 03:04:21 GMT

In article <22AUG199201515283@vxcrna.cern.ch> pires@vxcrna.cern.ch (ALVES) writes:
>(Obs:  Thanks for cross-posting this to soc.culture.portuguese.
>       It is a pleasure to learn more about my language)
>
>
>The portuguese word 'casta' means 'caste', 'race', 'lineage', 'breed',
>but there is also 'casta' as the feminine of 'casto' (from Latin 'castus'), 
>which means 'chaste', 'pure', 'clean', 'virginal', 'unstained', 'unmingled'.
>I always considered this a case of homograph words, but now that you
>mention it, it is possible that one meaning derived from the other.
>Interesting... 
>
>
>As someone already mentioned, the most likely origin for Bengali and
>Portuguese (and Swahili!) 'cha' is the Chinese 'ch'a' (with an apostrophe 
>in the middle, according to my Webster), from the Ancient Chinese 'd'a'.  
>The tea was introduced in Europe from Asia by the Portuguese.
>
>
>---Rui, Portuguese
>
>--------------
>PS - At least Vasco da Gama brought one word ('janela') to India, 
>     not only destruction   8-)


Offhand, I can think of another Bengali word that I suspect of having
entered the language from Portuguese, though I am not 100% sure. This is 
the Bengali word for 'CHURCH' which is pronounced 'GIRJA' . Now the 
European presence in Bengal was limited to the Dutch, the Portuguese, 
the French and of course the English. The corresponding words for 'CHURCH' 
in these languages are, as far as I am aware :

    English     French    Dutch     Portuguese
    -------     ------    -----     ----------

    Church      E'glise   Kerk(?)   Igreja (?) 

I am not too sure of the last two spellings. However, considering these
four words, it seems phonetically the most likely that the Bengali 
'GIRJA' was a borrowing from the Portuguese equivalent.

-Sayan Bhattacharyya



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sarang@saturn.sdsu.edu (Srinath Sarang)
Subject: Re: Curious observation,: Pibroch
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:51:26 GMT

George W Chacko (gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Aug20.231937.23785@newshub.sdsu.edu> sarang@saturn.sdsu.edu (Srinath Sarang) writes:
: 
: >The Pibroch:
: >I got this defn. straight from the horse's mouth or should I say my 
: >online webster....
: >pi.broch \'pe--.bra:k, -.bra:k\ n [ScGael piobaireachd pipe-music] : a set 
: >   of martial or mournful variations for the Scottish Highland bagpipe
: >This time I believe what I say and what I say is not wrong.
: >(Don't remember references to pibroch in PGW. Bah!! American Beer ! It brings
: >on amnesia. Got to get those ol' PGW's out from the attic)
: 
: I would suggest that you take a step back and read nsridhar's last
: post on the subject. Easier than rummaging in your attic.
: 
: George
 
George,
       I was merely saying that I needed to take some time to read the
old PGW's. I did read nsridhar's post before posting a reply. I was just
posting the true meaning of the pibroch. By saying that "I didn't remember"
I meant that my memory was bad.

At this point I remember an old saying that my Grandfather used to tell me:
It went like this: A guilty conscience is the first to react even without
                   being accused.

No reference to you George, none at all....
Srinath
ps: Flames welcome to /dev/null

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I Don't believe what I say, and whatever I say is wrong.....
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject:   email address of Ms. surekha reddy gaddam ?
Reply-To: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Distribution:  world
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 03:12:27 GMT


Could some one send me the email address of Ms. surekha reddy gaddam
who is the moderator of misc.news.southasia.  ??



Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kalej@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: MARATHI ASE AMACHEE MAIBOLI*************
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:40:25 GMT

aapan sarva marathi bhandhavanni ekatra eoon
aani ekjutine ek marathi mandal chaloo kele pahije
hi chalval yashasvee zaleech pahije
kai mhanata mandalee
ram ram
Jagdeesh kale
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: naik@nynexst.com (Jay Naik)
Subject: Re: Palak Saag =/= Spinach
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 03:45:59 GMT


>Spinach and Home-made Cheese in Creamy Sauce thingy (Saag Paneer?). So I 

	Swiss chard makes an excellent substitute for palak. Try it!

--------------
Jayant Naik
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kghosh@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kaushik Ghosh)
Subject: Repost: Student organizations in Univs in the Chicago area????
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:09:21 GMT

Does anyone know of any Indian Students Association at the Illinois
Institute of Technology or at Northwestern in Chicago?  Would 
appreciate e-mail addresses and/or telephone numbers.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: reddy@spso.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jagan Reddy)
Subject: Any one with Gulf Air experiance ? for a lady alone.!!!!
Summary: Any one with Gulf Air experiance lady alone form US to India.
Keywords: gulf air travel india
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:47:49 GMT

Hi netters,

	Any one with Gulf Air experiance recently for a lady alone. 

Your input appreciated

Jagan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: amara@informix.com (Amar Ananthapadmanabha)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: How about SOC.CULTURE.MARATHI ?
Keywords: SOC.CULTURE.MARATHI
Date: 10 Aug 92 15:44:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <nparkar.713210787@seamis1> nparkar@seamis1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Nuru Parkar) writes:
>ajayg@ecs.comm.mot.com (Ajay Gallewale) writes:
>
>Vichar Changla Aahe!
>
>Nuru Parkar

 Aagdi Barober bolLaath!

	Amar
From: rich07@milton.u.washington.edu (Jon Jochem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Indian babes ....
Date: 15 Aug 92 20:19:07 GMT
Organization: University of Washington


Are Indian babes horny?
From: joarder.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: email address for iitkgp
Date: 23 Aug 92 03:27:57 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

Hi guys and girls,
Would you please do me a favor. I f you happen to know the email
address for IITKGP would you please pass it on to me. Everytime
I try with a different combination my system spits it out.
I will appreciate this help.
Thanx!
Kunal.
From: raja@balrog (Raja Seth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: why satti is practiced
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:00:21 GMT
Reply-To: raja@ctron.com
Organization: Cabletron Systems Inc.,








	In article <1992Aug9.213215.4895@gw.wmich.edu> x91ahmed4@gw.wmich.edu writes:
	>Hello.....
	>
	>Please could any one tell me why Satti was or is practiced in hinduism...
	>I would be greatful to any one who will tell me ..
	>
	>Thank You....
	>
	>D.A


	Narain responds:

	Sati as practised in medieval hinduism was non existant ,say before 8th
	century .There were however quite a few records which would show that sati
	was indeed practised in ancient india.

From my limited understanding of ancient Indian history, practices similar to
sati - in the sense that references to self-immolation can be found. However, I
am not aware of any cases in ancient India where such an incident
 took place by force.

	The reasons appear to be no other
	than superstitions and some other unreasonable notions of wifely fealty.But
	in medieval hinduism,the practice started again so as to escape from the
	rapacious muslim invaders,the thinking being that death is favourable to
	dishonour.But it has been practiced right upto late 19th century when there
	were no invading muslim armies......and stray cases of sati have been
	reported right upto nineteen eighties..reasons..could be anything from
	criminal motives to superstition...

Agreed. But there are no commandments in Hinduism. There are no do's or dont's
in Hinduism. If what is being practised is religion, then 99.9..% of the people
do not believe in it just like most people do not believe in murders ! So
why attribute sati to Hinduism ? Sometimes I think such associations are made
out of cynicism.

	narain.

Regards......Raja




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| Raja Seth : raja@balrog.ctron.com
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.portuguese
From: buchignani@hg.uleth.ca
Subject: Re: Origin of the word 'caste' (was Re: Fair and lovely: Remember that face cream ?)
Reply-To: buchignani@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 14:20:04 GMT

re: the word caste in Portuguese meaning "race" or "pure race".
As someone who has studied historical race a lot, I would have
to offer a qualification here. When the word first arose in
Portuguese (I think in the early 1600s at least), the Portuguese
did not have a concept of "race" anything like say in the 19th
century. In fact, I think that the word itself (race, that is)
would just have entered the language, where it would have meant
a ethno-national population.

Norman Buchignani
Department of Anthropology
University of Lethbridge
From: sunder@altair.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: ABOUT THIS TAMIL NONSENSE
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:16:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: altair.crhc.uiuc.edu

In article <Aug.17.16.31.52.1992.939@caip.rutgers.edu>, sankar@caip.rutgers.edu (ananth sankar) writes:
|> This is with reference to this crap about tamils. Some arsehole
|> started this with a post which looked like
|> 
|> "North Indians say that Tamils are idiots. Please respond and I will
|> post a summary".
|> 
|> To this many other idiots seem to have responded, and the original
|> time waster has actually gone on to acknowledge these posters and
|> thank them for their material. Finally it all degenerates in the 
|> grand SCI style into a Tamil vs Non-Tamil issue...The original
|> crack pot, in this case, does not seem to care about this and goes on
|> thanking, acknowledging and promising to summarize all this bull shit.
|> Please spare us, Mr. Idiot...I cannot even credit you with the
|> intelligence I first thought you had when I decided you started all this
|> maliciously. From your posts, it seems you actually think you are
|> doing the net a favour. Go get a life, and try to find something
|> better to do.
|> 
|> I am completely exasperated with you and all the other fools who 
|> "contributed" to your enlightening discussion.

Hear, Hear!

As a person who has NEVER met someone else who disliked me BECAUSE I
am a born-and-bred Tamil-from-Madras; or met another Tamil who has had 
this experience, I second this. 

Let's put a speedy end to this bullshit if for no other reason than 
that it has a false premise.

|> Ananth Sankar

-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised. 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ratan@cauchy.rutgers.edu (Santosh Ratan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: NEWS(old):Pakistani women suffer many indignities
Date: 15 Aug 92 18:40:15 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Aug15.130731.1@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu>, ali@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu writes:

  But it should be stressed that this is the unfortunate
> fate of poor women the world over and although not helped by sharia
> law, the outcomes in the lives of many women in South American
> Countries are not very different from their counterparts in Pakistan.  
> Raping of women by uncles and older male relatives is not uncommon in
> extended family situations where those are the only males in contact
> with the women. 

I remeber reading an article in some magazine about women in some
African countries. They are forcefully circumcized, so that they
cannot enjoy sex and hence cannot perpitrate adultary(sp.). Some part
of vegina is cut out or something. There was a photograph of some men
holding a woman by force and someone operating on her.
From: jdansky@hpldsla.sid.hp.com (Jeri Dansky)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:31:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Going to a Wedding
Organization: HP Scientific Instruments Division - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian

> I've been to India a couple times in the past, so I don't need any
> information about traveling in India, in general.  (I met the
> bride-to-be on one of these prior visits.)  What I do need is some
> information specifically about being a guest at a wedding.
> 
> What would be a good wedding gift to take with me?
> 
> Is there anything else I should know about wedding protocol?
> 
> The wedding invitation says it's the wedding of Sow. Meera with
> Chi. Sriram.  What do "Sow." and "Chi." mean?

Thanks for all the responses so far!  I just got a call from my
travel agent, and I was able to get the tickets, so I will be
able to go!  The wedding is in Bangalore; I'll be flying into
Madras and taking a train from there. 

I should have mentioned that I'm a woman; some people assumed 
(not surprisingly) that Jeri was a guy.


Jeri Dansky
jeri@spd.hp.com
From: s9205@gte.com (Rohit Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: A note and a question ?
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:53:29 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories Incorporated, Waltham MA


I would like to ask something : Its actually something one of the professors at my University recently remarked.

" Why is it that most recent conflicts in the world have Muslims in the center of affairs ? Why are they the only ones causing problems for themselves and others ? "

Major examples : Lebanon Afghanistan Iraq Bosnia. 

Others can add to the list !!

- R.G. 

All opinions are mine, quotes are not. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rich07@milton.u.washington.edu (Jon Jochem)
Subject: Confused about Indian Babes ...
Keywords: Indian babes
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 19:07:14 GMT


hmmm.....now I'm confused - some of you say Indian babes are horny - then 
again only for indians - then again only for non-indians - and then again 
with horns on their heads :-)

can some one please summarise for me - are Indian Babes horny or not? I know 
Indian guys are (no offense meant) - also, do you indian guys consider 
American babes to be horny? That will give a basis for comparison ... 

I havent seen very many indians dating americans - why is that?

take care

(no flames please)(I'm just a curious dude).
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: ENTREPRENEURAL PhD
Keywords: tissue culture, plant Breeder
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:13:50 GMT
Reply-To: exunikh@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy)
Subject: Re: "WHY KRISHNA COMES"
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 22:36:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.202602.10425@cs.wayne.edu> uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.162138.23470@news.cs.brandeis.edu> anand@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>                        WHY KRISNA COMES
>>The purpose of the Vedas is to establish such principles under the order of 
>>the Supreme Lord, and the Lord directly orders, at the end of the Gita, that 
>>the highest principle of religion is to surrender unto Him only, and 
>
>Such literal translation of the sloka, do not look good.  I may be

[the jealousy of the do-"good-SCI"er over the do-"evil"er deleted]

>I am unable to recall.  But I remember a purana, where a sura
>unable to gain the grace of the lord, becomes an asura, because he
>feels that he can become one with the lord sooner...

Hoping for Atri to enlighten ...

>Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma

[...]

>>With good wishes to all the readers on the occasion of Janamastmi
>>Shalini
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Totally random comments ... not meant to offend anyone, except that
SCIlly fellow in Moffett Field ...

There seems to be something not quite consistent with all these 
puranas and stuff. Sometimes I wonder about the interpretations.
Having heard all these time and time again, maybe I am dulled to
the point of insensitivity. Well, maybe just dull. I am sure at
least a couple of people will agree. All these good thoughts
and others from Chandamama/Ambulimama and similar authoritative
sources. 

Brings me to the question I asked Paul Chemmanoor about
his "looking over the edge". Are these people looking over the edge?
Are they over it? I am sure figures of speech and such like are 
taught, the hope is to awaken one to the possibilities of 
expression? How does one read a story? Inside out and only 
inside out? How about all us outsiders looking over the
edge? What happens when one falls in? Well Krishna comes,
Sarma garu comes, ...

Tomorrow is a metaphor
Today is life
Yesterday is history
Before that is purana?

Sthan.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Subject: Re: religious talks
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 07:41:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.190828.5803@menudo.uh.edu> mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:
>>Then a NEW faith will come (peacefully at first) and start the
>>ball rolling again.  I guess we humans are condemned to this
>>wheel and somebody somwhere is having the last laugh.  
>>The only way out of this is to abolish reiligion from this
>>earth (WHAT A DREAM!)
>>
>>
>>savithri
>My dear lady: what do you think I am trying to tell you!!!!!!!!!
>The NEW FAITH has come, wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Arindam
>

HO HO HAHA HA HA HA HA HEE HEE HEE HEE .....
(Just having the last laugh). 

regards,
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From: Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Kali and Thuggees
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 00:32:02 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Hello.

I would like to find information about Kali-Ma, the so-called
'cults' of Kali, the Thuggees, or the Kapalikas.  Please email
me if you would have time to answer some questions.  I am a
Tantric Monk in the US who would like to hear of Indian
perspectives.  Thank you.

Thyagi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy)
Subject: Ooops (was: Samit outdoes Mr. Ed)
Summary: None.
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 13:08:53 GMT

I wrote:
>In article <l8r1s4INNffo@phad.hsc.usc.edu> banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug14.193428.7621@news2.cis.umn.edu> crick@htlv.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD)) writes:
>>
[...]
>Ed, though responding to my post, chose to deal with Raghavan's 
 ^^
>retort. Whatever the reason, he didn't misrepresent anything. 
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^
His limericks are not considered representing anything, at least
not expository anyway ...

[...]

>Good bye Mr. Ed Jr.
                 ^^ should read Sr.

Sthan.

>PS. Don't bother sending me email apologizing for getting me
>worked up. Your hatchets are buried in the Stone Age.
 ^^^^^^^^^ [sic]
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