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From: schaf@socrates.ucsf.edu (Chris Schafmeister)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: Past Civilizations
Keywords: Spinning, Marcab, space opera
Date: 8 Jan 93 07:16:48 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

wakeman@crchh7ce.BNR.CA (John Wakeman) writes:

>Well, this was one area that I found to be of interest myself.
>In using Dianetics to audit individuals, you do come up with 
>some of the most interesting stories which have occurred for
>people before this lifetime that spans planets, ages and life-forms.
>Whether or not it is true is up to any individual to determine
>for themselves.

>There is some detail of this type of information in the book
>"HAVE YOU LIVED BEFORE THIS LIFE" by LRH of course.  Also the 
>following can be found in the Tech Dictionary with some reference to
>where they can be found in books or tapes:

>	Spinning, Marcab, space opera

>I will check for references later.

>Actually I find it disappointing that the Scientologists may have
>abandoned the group, because in spite of a lack of real ansers to
>most of your( any non-scientologists ) questions, they do provide
>some insight into what is occurring in Scientology today.  

>If the active Scientologists or any in the know wants to address any
>of the following, I would be interested.

>How could David Mayo (former CS International) get to be the second
>highest Tech Person in Scientology yet be a Suppressive Person?

>Similarly, how could guys like Bill Franks and other former Executive
>Director Internationals get to be the second admin level and likewise
>be SPs?

>Does this not seem contradictory to the actual tech involved in cleaning
>folks up.   Actually, I have heard reference to Mayo and the Marcab in
>present time, any one else?

>Whatever happened to Kingsley Wimbush, I sat on his initial Committee of 
>Evidence( a Scientology trial of sorts), but due to my and anothers low
>ethics conditions, our findings were canned.

>that's all for now,
>john
>============================================================================
>I don't know what's going on, I just work here.
>BNR doesn't endorse anything I say....    ANYTHING!

>wakeman@bnr.ca
>============================================================================

Were you a scientologist?  What caused you to leave?

.Chris.

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From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: Where have all the Scientologists gone....long time passing.
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:03:40 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

In article <schaf.726426846@cgl.ucsf.edu> schaf@socrates.ucsf.edu (Chris Schafmeister) writes:
>gisle@ifi.uio.no (Gisle Hannemyr) writes:
>> [Replay of posting from David Bonnell]:
>>
>>> A suprise is coming on Dec 18, 1992.
>
>Many of the scientologists in this group have a habit of not following up
>their own comments.

It's interesting. They seem to have a hard time adjusting to the "Usenet Tech"
principle that people will hold you to your word. That when you make 
outlandish claims but never back up what you say that people will be reluctant
to take you very seriously.

It leaves me with deep questions about the nature of interactions that these
people have within Scientology. Are they merely emulating the style of their
instructors and high-ups with the CoS: make an arrogant claim, but don't back
up what you say?

Are they suprised that such techniques fail miserably on this newsgroup?

Do they view this as an Evil Conspiracy against them? Or do they take
responsibility for dropping the ball here (re: John Holifield's contest and
David Bonnell's Dec. 18 suprise). In any case, I don't think that they're
demonstrating Scientology in a favorable fasion.

>So if a scientologist failing to deliver can be thought of as a surprise...

My question: could Scientologists consider what they're doing as a "win" here?

>.Chris.

--phil
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Other famous scient-o-logs
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:56:11 GMT

A little known fact is that Fozzy the bear from the muppets was a
short time scientologist until he met Jesus Christ in a dumpster in
Jersey...
 
Having been reading this group now for maybe a month, I just thought
I'd add my voice to the many voices saying "Why aren't our questions
answered?"

Last week, when (YET AGAIN) asked if I wanted to see a FREE MOVIE
about how scientology will make me a superhuman with the ability to
fly, eat steel bars, and yodel, I said I'd already seen it.  The
scientologist who was pestering me started asking where I'd seen it,
what I thought about it etc. but I just kept walking.
 
Reminds me of the guys hanging out in the mall lately...  They have an
easel set up and they tell a story about Jesus and how wonderous he
was.  I think the apocalypse must be coming, everyone's trying to GET
my soul.  No thank you.  If I want religious feelings I'll read "The
Tao of Pooh" for the 87th time.  
 
Pooh does not want my soul.  He wants honey.

Now Tigger on the other hand...
 
                                                  Nik
 

Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Where have all the Scientologists gone....long time passing.
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:07:46 GMT
Expires: Sun, 31 Jan 1993 22:04:58 GMT

In article <schaf.726305947@cgl.ucsf.edu> schaf@socrates.ucsf.edu (Chris Schafmeister) writes:
>Do you think I scared Chip away with my 'religious-testosterone' comment?

Don't know. I can tell you that Chip sent me an e-mail reply to my last
posting but declined my request to post his reply. To me, it looks as if
things got a bit too hot for Chip and he decided to bow out of the discussion.
I hope that he wasn't feeling pressure from any factions. He may return.

What about John Holifield? Has he "disconnected" from this group again? Did
his stats start declining again? What were the winning entries of his contest?
Did they receive their prizes? And when, oh when, will John Holifield start
giving us his promised demonstrations of Scientology Science?

What about Jonathon? Will he ever post the Org chart that he promised months
ago? Will he ever post a Book title (w/ISBN number) and pages that explain
Scientology's official policy to other religions? Will he tell us which
references in the EST literature that "openly admit" to being a squirrel group
of Scientology?

What's the world coming to if we can't count on our Scientologists?

--phil
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: davidb@engin.umich.edu (David Bonnell)
Subject: The latest
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 23:31:18 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

As always Scientology is still booming across the planet.  There
are now over 16,000,000 Dianetics books sold and the fastest
growing areas are in Japan and in Germany.  There are many, many
many more people using Scientology everyday including:

Nancy Cartwright	Actress/Writer/Producer
			Voice of Bart Simpson

Chick Corea		Eight-Time Grammy Award Winning Jazz
			Musician and Composer 

John Travolta		Actor

Kelly-Preston		Actor

Philippe de Henning	Champion Racer and Winner of the 1987 Le Mans

Maxine Nightingale      Vocalist

Billy Sheenan		Internationally Renowned Rock Bassist

Julia Migenes		Opera Star

Terry Jastrow		Seven-time Emmy Award-winning Producer/Director
			ABC sports

Mark Isham		Grammy Award winning Musician/Composer

Judy Norton/Taylor 	Actress/Singer 

Kate Ceberano		Australia's Top Female Singer

Keith Code		Top Motorcycle Instructor

Tom Cruise		Actor

any many, many more.

Scientology literally comes from the words Scio, know, logos, the word
or outward form by which the inward thought is expressed and made known.
Thus, Scientology means knowing about knowing (P141 What is Scientology?)

Scientology makes the able more able.    

In 1987 the National Institute on Drug Abuse reported in 1987 that an
estimated 94,485 Americans were admitted to hospitals or morgues because
of drug related emergencies.  Nearly 25% of these - 22,944 - were related
to psychiatric drugs.  

There is a new booklet called The Rise of Senseless Violence In Society:
Psychiatry's Role in the Creation of Crime that is published and enroute
to all leading governmental officials in the United States.  It was made
possible by a grant from the International Association of Scientologists.

It's time the TRUTH got out.

Now over half the libraries in the United States have the new What
is Scientology? on their shelves. It is the complete reference on
Scientology.

ISBN 0-88404-633-8
What is Scientology?
Bridge Publications, Inc.
4751 Fountain Ave.
LA, CA 90029
From: sol@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (chris s de voir)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: Scientology: It's just "a joke".
Date: 5 Jan 93 02:16:10 GMT

tsang@cs.washington.edu (Donald Tsang) writes:

>In article <6645@pdxgate.UUCP> sol@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (chris s de voir) writes:
>>By the way "God" in Scn is "the R-6 god".  That is the God of the monotheistic
>>religions of the world is considered an implant.  An implant is a
>>false picture attached to a thetan by the evil overlords.

>Errr.... huh?  "evil overlords"?

>Please tell us more.  Is this part of the Scientologists' "Creation Myth"?

>obMU: by Creation Myth, I mean a story (often with little or no documented
>scientific evidence in direct support) describing one or more aspects
>of the creation of the human race, or of its progenitors.


>-- 
>Donald Tsang                    "Ho!  Haha!  Guard!  Turn!  Parry!  Dodge!
>tsang@june.cs.washington.edu     Spin!  Ha!  Thrust!"
>..!uw-beaver!june!tsang                       -- Robin Hood Daffy

An implant is a false picture or concept that is forced onto the thetan by the
use of electronics.  LRH described in detail on tape what the chamber looks likewhen the thetan is tricked into this machine.  The "light" that some people 
describe seeing in near death experiences is part of this bait for the thetan.
This is part of the Marcab confederacy, which according to LRH no longer exists.The Marcab confederacy looks pretty much like our world, but it was a class
society and the class in power got tired of too many trouble makers so they
put them in these machines and crunch a thetan down to a less troublesome size.
This is not the creation myth of Scientology; that's something else.  This is
just "track".  My point here, however, is that nobody really talks about it
much, but "God" gets audited out in the higher levels.  And the appearance
that Scientology honors diversity of religion is pretend.
From: wakeman@crchh7ce.BNR.CA (John Wakeman)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: re: Past Civilizations
Keywords: Spinning, Marcab, space opera
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:25:21 GMT
Reply-To: wakeman@crchh7ce.BNR.CA (John Wakeman)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <C0IAJD.65o@csn.org> pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt) writes:

>Yes. Exactly. How *would* an individual determine if something like that were
>or were not true? How would one investigate such a claim? How would you
>demonstrate it to others?

Well, LRH claims to have done just this in his book  "Mission Into Time" ( I
think that's the title.)   It is a book where he details how he discovered some
stuff from ancient Greeece or before based on his own past life recall.  It has
been about 11 years since I read it, so I can't recall much of the
details, that
damn reactive mind keeps creeping in and snuffing out my ability to recall past
details.   Anyway, it doesn't deal with any off planet stuff.  I just throw it
out there if you want to read anything which portends to provide some
verification
of recovering data from past lives.   If my title is not correct, I will
correct
it soon, or anyone else feel free.

>Or, on the flip side, what would be the point of seeing which people in the
>world would believe such unbleievable things? What would be the point of doing
>that? What would be achieved if you started having people believe things that
>can't be proven?

Well, I see no point in seeing which people will or will not buy this. 
Which is
why I said in my previous post this is up to any individuals to believe or not 
believe for themselves.   I would think that such things could be proven
to some
degree when they weree limited to the past on this planet.   If someone
has past
life data which covers some data or place which has never been discussed or
presented before and then follow up poroves that such events did occur
or lost items
could be found.   For example, if I knew I were a pirate 1000 years ago
and that I
had stashed a treasure in an obscure cove on the northern coast of
Scandanavia, then
someone followed the directions I provide and sure enough there was a
treasure there.
Or something along these lines.

For me there is an interest in what exist beyond life.   And, I would
guess any who
pursues any religious insight has this curiosity or need of reassurance.
What 
happens when I die?   Is life finite?   So, for this reason, I would say
that this
is the point in determinig whether or not such things might be true.   I
agree with
you that proving it is another matter altogether.  
 
>--phil

john
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Saturday, 9 Jan 1993 20:37:44 EST
From: <IO20746@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism
Subject: Re: I love santa
 <1993Jan8.084343.26867@nmsu.edu>

 what is Santa really? Santa is the giving, loving,
caring nature that is in all of us, no matter how
hidden or repressed it might be. I know I find
that I have never regretted a gift I have given
due to the financial loss it may bring, because
it shows my care of the person who receices it.
Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism
From: fritzz@megatek.com (Friedrich Knauss)
Subject: Re: i love god
Reply-To: fritzz@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:42:50 GMT

In article <C0Bp8r.LpH@fulcrum.co.uk> rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor) writes:
>I find it unlikely that God would use such a select mechanism as the net to
>spread the word. You would do better to buy out a newpaper magnate, pal.

Yeah, right. Like anybody reads a newspaper anymore...

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Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism
From: jcooley@world.std.com (John Cooley)
Subject: Re: I love santa
Organization: The E-mail Synopsys Users Group (ESNUG)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:30:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.131102.2649@dct.ac.uk> mcsdc2mlh@dct.ac.uk (Matt Haswell) writes:
>
>Er hey.
>
>Is this group for people who love Santa? (santa -ism?)
>
>If not then why not?


I'm trying to figure out the same thing....  either this is a group
for Satanists who can't spell or it's a group for people fixated on
fat men in red suits who go down chimneys....

So far, from the posts, I cant tell if it's either!

                                               - John Cooley
                                                 ESNUG Moderator


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From: bohrer@acme.mcc.com (Bill Bohrer)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism
Subject: Re: I love santa
Date: 10 Jan 93 05:07:22 GMT
Organization: MCC, Austin, Texas

In article <1993Jan10.030007.11665@netcom.com> ekman@netcom.com (Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear) writes:
>In article <93009.203744IO20746@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <IO20746@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
[...]
>It's amazing how this group hangs on this long after Christmas.  Even
>after Eastern Orthodox Christmas.  If this keeps up, I'm going to post
>the "Yes, Virginia" thing again.
>-- 
>Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear              ekman@netcom.com
>Home for the Terminally Infirm, Redwood City, California

Yeah no kidding let's all get a life.
Or I'll repost my bit about Mother Theresa if you're not careful.

=Bill
-- 
			   8>D
Now that the Democrats are back in power can we all just LIGHTEN UP???
		 	   8>p
Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism
From: rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Subject: Re: I love santa
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:42:38 GMT

In article <zlsiida.705@fs1.mcc.ac.uk> zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:
>In article <1993Jan10.183549.8974@netcom.com> jef@netcom.com (Jef Poskanzer) writes:
>
>>ekman@netcom.com (Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear):
>>}It's amazing how this group hangs on this long after Christmas.  Even
>>}after Eastern Orthodox Christmas.
>
>>Hey, Santaism isn't a one-shot thing, it's a year-round committment.
>
>A dog^H^H^H^H^HSanta is for life, not just for christmas
>
>        Never believe an experiment until it is confirmed by theory 
>    Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033  

A Santa *can* be stretched through to New Year, but only if you carve
off a rib at a time. They keep well in the freezer.
Regards,
============================================================================
Richard Taylor                  DoD #981                 (rct@fulcrum.co.uk)
"All I want is a warm bed and a kind word and unlimited power"  A. Brilliant
============================================================================
Fulcrum Communications Ltd., Fordrough Lane, Birmingham, B9 5LD, ENGLAND.
From: jah7931@tamsun.tamu.edu (J A Hogard)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism
Subject: Re: I love santa
Date: 6 Jan 1993 14:54:24 -0600
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu
Keywords: alfred oouh

In article <1993Jan6.131102.2649@dct.ac.uk> mcsdc2mlh@dct.ac.uk (Matt Haswell) writes:
>
>Er hey.

Hey!!

>Is this group for people who love Santa? (santa -ism?)

I happen to HATE Santa.  He never ever brought me 
anything I asked for.  
So there.

>If not then why not?

Yes, why not?

>******************************************************************************
>Matt Haswell.....Student at DIT                 Janet : mcsdc2mlh@dct.ac.uk
>******************************************************************************

--jim ( no sig)



P.S.: I hate God, too.
From: dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism
Subject: Re: I love santa
Keywords: alfred oouh
Date: 8 Jan 93 08:43:43 GMT
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM

In article <1ifgu0INN290@tamsun.tamu.edu> jah7931@tamsun.tamu.edu (J A Hogard) writes:
>I happen to HATE Santa.  He never ever brought me 
>anything I asked for.  
>So there.

Actually from the sound of you, you got from Santa precisely what you are
asking for: complete neglect.

>P.S.: I hate God, too. 
>
Sounds like you're asking for a whole LOT actually....

QOS
From: rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism
Subject: Re: i love god
Date: 4 Jan 93 09:34:02 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

In article <1993Jan1.041028.29213@nmsu.edu> ddresp@dante.nmsu.edu (DRESP) writes:
>
> what more can I say.
>
>    Yes love him,and serve him.
>	This is god speaking to you now.


I find it unlikely that God would use such a select mechanism as the net to
spread the word. You would do better to buy out a newpaper magnate, pal.

Regards,
============================================================================
Richard Taylor                  DoD #981                 (rct@fulcrum.co.uk)
"I don't know what I want, but I want it NOW!", Rawlinson of Rawlinson's End
============================================================================
Fulcrum Communications Ltd., Fordrough Lane, Birmingham, B9 5LD, ENGLAND.
Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism
From: jef@netcom.com (Jef Poskanzer)
Subject: Re: I love santa
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Reply-To: Jef Poskanzer <jef@netcom.com>
Organization: Paratheo-Anametamystikhood Of Eris Esoteric
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 18:35:49 GMT

ekman@netcom.com (Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear):
}It's amazing how this group hangs on this long after Christmas.  Even
}after Eastern Orthodox Christmas.

Hey, Santaism isn't a one-shot thing, it's a year-round committment.

Bloody reformist.
---
Jef

           Jef Poskanzer  jef@netcom.com  jef@well.sf.ca.us
         "...rum, sodomy, and the lash!" -- Winston Churchill
Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism
From: ekman@netcom.com (Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear)
Subject: Re: I love santa
Organization: Home for the Terminally Infirm
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:00:07 GMT

In article <93009.203744IO20746@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <IO20746@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
> what is Santa really? Santa is the giving, loving,
>caring nature that is in all of us, no matter how
>hidden or repressed it might be. I know I find
>that I have never regretted a gift I have given
>due to the financial loss it may bring, because
>it shows my care of the person who receices it.

It's amazing how this group hangs on this long after Christmas.  Even
after Eastern Orthodox Christmas.  If this keeps up, I'm going to post
the "Yes, Virginia" thing again.
-- 
Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear              ekman@netcom.com
Home for the Terminally Infirm, Redwood City, California
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism
Subject: Re: I love santa
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:53:45 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <1993Jan10.183549.8974@netcom.com> jef@netcom.com (Jef Poskanzer) writes:

>ekman@netcom.com (Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear):
>}It's amazing how this group hangs on this long after Christmas.  Even
>}after Eastern Orthodox Christmas.

>Hey, Santaism isn't a one-shot thing, it's a year-round committment.

A dog^H^H^H^H^HSanta is for life, not just for christmas

        Never believe an experiment until it is confirmed by theory 
    Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033
From: clc@festival.ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism
Subject: Re: I love santa
Date: 7 Jan 93 11:18:09 GMT
Reply-To: clc@festival.ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli)
Organization: The University of Edinburgh


jcooley@world.std.com (John Cooley) writes:
> In article <1993Jan6.131102.2649@dct.ac.uk> mcsdc2mlh@dct.ac.uk
> (Matt Haswell) writes:
[...]
> >Is this group for people who love Santa? (santa -ism?)
> 
> I'm trying to figure out the same thing....  either this is a group
> for Satanists who can't spell or it's a group for people fixated on
> fat men in red suits who go down chimneys....

If you read the control message which created the newsgroup, you'd know...

I suppose that the following line from the control message is enough to
guess where is the truth...

< - Anyone who objects to the newsgroup will get a lump of coal.

Personally, I believe that Santa is Myself.