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From: inoue@crl.hitachi.co.jp (Kiyoshi Inoue)
Newsgroups: fj.misc.handicap
Subject: Re: auto translation?
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:37:22 GMT
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Organization: Central Research Lab., Hitachi Ltd.
In-reply-to: jun@coins.is.tsukuba.ac.jp's message of 3 Oct 92 10:58:59 GMT

In article <9022@coins.is.tsukuba.ac.jp> jun@coins.is.tsukuba.ac.jp (Jun OKADA) writes:

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From: jun@coins.is.tsukuba.ac.jp (Jun OKADA)
Newsgroups: fj.misc.handicap
Subject: Re: auto translation?
Date: 3 Oct 92 10:58:59 GMT
Organization: Inf. Sci., Univ of TSUKUBA , Tsukuba-City, Ibaraki,Japan

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In article <INOUE.92Oct1063421@hcrlgw.crl.hitachi.co.jp> inoue@crl.hitachi.co.jp (Kiyoshi Inoue) writes:
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From: t90534am@sfc.keio.ac.jp (Akira Mito)
Subject: Re: auto translation?
Followup-To: fj.misc.handicap
Organization: Department of Environmental Information,Keio University Shonan
	Fujisawa Campus(SFC),Japan.
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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 08:47:01 GMT

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In article <INOUE.92Sep29210742@hcrlgw.crl.hitachi.co.jp>
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From: inoue@crl.hitachi.co.jp (Kiyoshi Inoue)
Newsgroups: fj.misc.handicap
Subject: Re: auto translation?
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:47:09 GMT
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Followup-To: fj.misc.handicap
Organization: Central Research Lab., Hitachi Ltd.
In-reply-to: t90534am@sfc.keio.ac.jp's message of 1 Oct 92 08:47:01 GMT

In article <T90534AM.92Oct1174701@cs1.sfc.keio.ac.jp> t90534am@sfc.keio.ac.jp (Akira Mito) writes:

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Newsgroups: fj.misc.handicap
From: nao@jaist-east.ac.jp (Naoki HAMADA)
Subject: Re: Tele-Text
Reply-To: nao@jaist-east.ac.jp
Organization: ME
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 08:41:21 GMT

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From: miyakawa@cs.titech.ac.jp (MIYAKAWA Shin)
Subject: Re: Tele-Text (Re: auto translation?)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Tokyo Institute of Technology
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 09:13:19 GMT

In article <YOKOTA.92Oct6151151@messe.noc.mkhar.sharp.co.jp>
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				$@5\@n(J  $@?8(J (Miyakawa Shin)
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From: m-tajiri@ccs.mt.nec.co.jp (Motohide Tajiri)
Subject: Re: auto translation?
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 11:12:02 GMT
	<601@nhkgw.strl.nhk.or.jp>
Organization: NEC Microcomputer Technology Ltd., Tokyo, Japan
Followup-To: fj.misc.handicap

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In article <601@nhkgw.strl.nhk.or.jp>
	 aizawa@strl.nhk.or.jp (Teruaki Aizawa) writes:
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Newsgroups: fj.misc.handicap
From: m-tajiri@ccs.mt.nec.co.jp (Motohide Tajiri)
Subject: Re: auto translation?
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:41:12 GMT
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Organization: NEC Microcomputer Technology Ltd., Tokyo, Japan

In article <INOUE.92Sep29210742@hcrlgw.crl.hitachi.co.jp>
	 inoue@crl.hitachi.co.jp (Kiyoshi Inoue) writes:
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From: inoue@crl.hitachi.co.jp (Kiyoshi Inoue)
Newsgroups: fj.misc.handicap
Subject: Re: auto translation?
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:34:25 GMT
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In-reply-to: m-tajiri@ccs.mt.nec.co.jp's message of 30 Sep 92 11:41:12 GMT

In article <M-TAJIRI.92Sep30204112@ccsnews.ccs.mt.nec.co.jp> m-tajiri@ccs.mt.nec.co.jp (Motohide Tajiri) writes:

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From: jun@coins.is.tsukuba.ac.jp (Jun OKADA)
Newsgroups: fj.misc.handicap
Subject: Re: auto translation?
Date: 5 Oct 92 06:07:03 GMT
Organization: Inf. Sci., Univ of TSUKUBA , Tsukuba-City, Ibaraki,Japan

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In article <INOUE.92Oct4093721@hcrlgw.crl.hitachi.co.jp> inoue@crl.hitachi.co.jp (Kiyoshi Inoue) writes:
>In article <9022@coins.is.tsukuba.ac.jp> jun@coins.is.tsukuba.ac.jp (Jun OKADA) writes:
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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Conventional Wisdom[English]
Date: 3 Oct 92 01:29:52 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

inagaki@aclab1.resrch.anritsu.co.jp (Shintaro Inagaki) writes:

>In article <2776@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
...
>    >>I think getting a credit card would be a bit different. If beards
>    >>signified University professors (and University professors were
>    >>given credit cards), then maybe it would be useful to appear at the
>    >>counter and apply for a credit card with a beard ... and a suit, and
>    >>a briefcase full of books and papers, and whatever else would help
>    >>your case. 
>    >>

>I am afraid, no.
>If you have beard, go to a bank to apply for a credit card
>and fills in the form that your affiliation is mere office worker,
>the bankers will doubt your character is really all right.
>So you might have trouble to get a card.

I thought it went without saying that you would have to have a
realistic affiliation. The appearance and the affiliation have to
match. Wearing work-stained clothes and trying to get a job in the
construction industry with a meishi which say "Professor xxxx" would
be another kind of mismatch. 

>To persuade people that you have a good character,
>you may have to act, or pretend to act,
>in accordance with Japanese Conventional Wisdom.

Naturally.

>I think this sometimes causes lack of freedom for foreigners.

IMO, a lot of the perceived lack of freedom comes because people
don't realized that their own conventional wisdom only applies to
where they learned it. Each culture has it's own CW; if you want to
get along, it's useful to learn what it is. 

Dave

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You're free to copy/quote/translate as long as credit is given. 
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From: inagaki@aclab1.resrch.anritsu.co.jp (Shintaro Inagaki)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Conventional Wisdom
Date: 29 Sep 92 03:13:27 GMT
Organization: Research Lab., Anritsu Corp., Atsugi-shi, JAPAN
In-reply-to: davidg@aegis.or.jp's message of 24 Sep 92 23:46:48 GMT

In article <2755@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
    >>
    >>># By the way Dave,
    >>># I feel that your way of life is very Japanese; if you do not mind.
    >>># Would you express the same opinion if you were discussing in U.S.?
    >>
    >>Yes, I would say exactly the same thing. I've always spoken my mind.
    >>
    >>But of course in the U.S. I would be accused of various "Unspoken of
    >>Crimes Against Society" as many/most people there expect my line of
    >>thinking to be according to U.S. Conventional Wisdom.  Of course
    >>some people on this side of the water expect my line of thinking to
    >>be what they think is U.S Conventional Wisdom and it's not. 
    >>
Very interesting.

I wonder whether there is any difficulty to survive in Japan
because many people expect your way of thinking/action
to be according to Japan-side Conventional Wisdom.

e.g.:
In Japanese Conventional Wisdom,
beard should be limited to a certain people, such as University professors.
So I wonder in case you wore beard and you loved to,
you would have difficulty to get a job as salesperson,
or you would be rejected to have a credit card. 

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