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From: steve@Celeborn.lvunix.com (Steve Slade)
Subject: worst part of CoCI
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
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Date: 20 Dec 92 20:37:18 PST
Organization: Not even Close

^l
One if the worst plot holes on Chain of Command was the fact that after training
in the holodeck that picard and maybe worf and the doctor must of walked from
the holodeck to his new quaters in his special forces gear.  Based on the fact
that Riker came to visit Picard and he was just relaxing after training while
still in his new uniform would he not put that uniform on until he got to the 
holodeck and take it off before he leaves?

If you were training fo a secret mission that you where not to tell anyone about
where all that was told was you were reassigned would you walk around like that?

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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Riker being a Jerk...
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 23:07:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In <30DEC199213330062@author.gsfc.nasa.gov> rhudson@author.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ronald Hudson) writes:


>The bottom line is there was just no point even considering a rescue 
>mission given the current situation.  

The "current situation" changes rapidly in the heat of battle.  The
Enterprise should have had a rescue plan ready in case the situation
changed, making it possible/desireable to implement a rescue.  


>What you have to remember (and anyone who has been in the military can
>vouch for this) is a commander has to competent, they do not have to
>be liked.  

Failing to have a contingency plan is not a sign of competence.


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From: rccarm00@nx19.mik.uky.edu (ron c carman)
Subject: Re: DS9 on Superstation WGN channel 9 Chicago
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 00:39:29 GMT

mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs) writes:

>I left this as wide distribution because it is about a superstation...

>	I just got next week's TV guide and find NO mention of DS9
>showing on Jan 3rd at 7 PM as stated in the DS9 channel guide...nor
>does it appear to show at all in that week, perhaps it will be on Jan 10th.
>	Luckily our local FOX station is still showing at 7 P.M. on the 4th
>(Wccu/Wrsp 27/55 for those of you in Illinois)

     No, I don't see it listed in our TV listings here either...
Looks like the "DS9 channel guide" from Greg Tapolow is in error.

     Anyone in the Chicago area care to call up WGN, get the real
story and set the record straight for us?

RC Carman

p.s. I'm testing a new mail connection.  If you're replying by E-mail
     to this article, please do so to this address: root@darmok.UUCP 

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From: avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picards french lines (spoilers for CoC2)
Date: 29 Dec 1992 16:58:47 GMT
Organization: ICASE/NASA Langley
Distribution: world
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> Next time, pay attention to the show instead of assuming we're all stupid!


didnt assume you were all stupid mike... just you :) later.


foomshanka


avik@icase.icase.edu
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From: jnlong@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey N Long)
Subject: Re: Troi in "Chain of command"
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:15:54 GMT

In article <cboerm48.724978492@ursa> cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boer
ma) writes:
>erlermf@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>
>>The producers should put Troi in a regulation uniform more often.  She looks
a
>>hell of a lot better in it than in that purple thing.  No more butt either!
>
>Okay, I've seen alot of batting around about Troi and uniform.
>
>Let's have a vote.
>
>Send Subjects of "Troi's Uniform"
>
>A simple Yes or No will be good. Yes means Yes, I want to see more Uniforms
>and less Bodys suits. (i.e. more blue, less purple). No means back to the
>body suit.
>
>Send to:   cboerm48@Calvin.edu
>
>              CtB
>--
>Oh, I hate tryin' to be witty in these things!      |
>So I'm even going to try. And if you don't like it,|
>Tough!   (Thank you had have a nice day)             |    cboerm48@calvin.edu
>

  N  N  OOOO  !!
  NN N  O  O  !!
  N NN  O  O
  N  N  OOOO  !!

JL
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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Re: Troi Smut????
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 03:06:52 GMT

In article <1hqeteINN79b@bigboote.WPI.EDU> norbert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy James) writes:
>
>A very trustworthy friend of mine SWEARS that
>Marina Sirtis (Coun. Troi) made a porn movie...
>Can anyone clear this up?
>

Yea...  Your friend doesn't know what he/she is talking about.

Either that or they consider R-rated films to be "porn".

Sigh.  WHEN will this idoitic excuse for a "rumor" EVER end?

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From: det@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Latest ST:DSN Schedule (corrected)
Date: 26 Dec 1992 18:45:52 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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In article <1992Dec25.142753.28809@eng.umd.edu> wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez) writes:
>Is there some reason episode 404 is airing before episode 403?

This is fairly common.  The production numbers are assigned to episodes
when production begins, and remain the same even through title changes.
The order of airing is often close to the production ordering, which
makes continuity checking easier, but is subject to change for various
reasons - they may decide, for instance, that two "heavy" episodes
should be separated by something a bit lighter.  Or they may decide
they want to develop a character better in episode D before using
him or her in episode C.

In general, I wouldn't say it's worth worrying about.
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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Chain of Command & 2 part stories
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:17:13 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In <SKLEPZI.19.0@SSB1.SAFF.UTAH.EDU> SKLEPZI@SSB1.SAFF.UTAH.EDU (Steven Klepzig) writes:


>In spite of all the "problems", "inconsistencies", and "flaws" with Chain of 
>Command (remember, it's just TV - it's just pretend), is anyone besides me 
>grateful that they (Paramount, et al) decided to make this a two parter 
>instead of trimming and hacking and compressing it to fit one show?

Yes, it definitely needed to be a two parter.  Many TNG episodes feel
as if the writers are rushing to get through too much in one hour.

Actually, I would have liked to see the Jellico subplot go on for
a couple more episodes.  (Maybe let Picard recuperate in sick bay
or a Star Fleet hospital.)  That would have given them time to
explore other possibilities in the situation.  For example: Data as 
second in command (he didn't get to do much in this episode).  Jellico
conducting an exploratory, rather than military mission.  Riker brooding
about the possible end of his carreer.  
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From: demonn@emunix.emich.edu (Kenneth Jubal DeMonn)
Subject: Re: CoC II - What was left out? <Spoilers>
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 17:17:42 GMT

In article <1hjqraINNhir@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
>

>
>If Worf, Bev, and Picard needed the Ferengi to get to the planet for their
>mission, how did they get off it?  I think this was explained by I just didn't
>follow.  Did the Ferengi actually wait for them?? (WHY would he?)
>
>Mike
>-- 

He was still waiting to collect on Crusher's "gratitude." (I'd insert a long
rant on how utterly and abysmally incompetent the Cardassians would have had
to have been to allow them to escape, but hey, it's Star Trek, right?)


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From: margaret@cs.arizona.edu (Margaret Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Replacement for Picard
Keywords: stupid question
Date: 31 Dec 92 18:50:32 GMT

I keep seeing the theme of "replacement for Picard" if Stewart leaves.
Jellico is, evidently, a nominee.  My stupid question:

Why wouldn't Riker assume captaincy of the Enterprise?  They've offered
him ships before.  He has the experience, etc...  Why doesn't anyone
mention him?  I probably missed something along the way.  Has he been
disqualified? -maybe he has too much hair...

Thanks,

margaret
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From: gc3@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (George Cifrancis)
Subject: Re: ... an English-speaking Universe
Organization: Homebrew Virtual Reality Labs
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:42:08 GMT

Steven Klepzig (SKLEPZI@SSB1.SAFF.UTAH.EDU) wrote:
: This may have already been pointed out, so I apologize if I'm repeating
: someone else.  I haven't followed this thread closely.
:
: There is no indication that I've seen that all the races/species/whatever
: encountered in TNG speak english or even english words.  Perhaps there is a
: small Universal Translator built into each comm badge that is translating
: for the crew.  This would remove the inconvenience (and cost) of subtitling
: and the development of different languages for each race/...

I have thought about this too, but I guess it can't be a translator because
the alien's lips are moving correctly with the words they are speaking.
I guess it is something that you just have to overlook because you would
have to be constantly reading subtitles and that would be a real pain
in my opinion.  Besides it's the stories that count.

George Cifrancis III
gc3@jcnpc.cmhnet.org
From: wilson@mbcl.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Transporting thru shields?
Date: 3 Jan 93 02:43:57 GMT


	It has been my impression that transporters cannor be
utilized thru shieds.  
	The repoeat epidosde where Scotte returns prompts this 
question/comment.  The ship Geordi and Scottie are on 
cleary has the shields up - but are transported off the 
Gelico. But I remember that shields were lowered to
transport the admiral-spy to a Romulan vessel - a bad time to do it
if you don't have to.
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From: charles@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Charles Jacob Cohen)
Subject: Worf *sigh*
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:23:30 GMT


Worf used to be one of my favorite characters, and at times he still is,
but.....

chain of command spoilers:



Bats.  He is afraid of bats.  Fine, I can understand.  But this is Worf.
*WORF*  He is a Klingon warrior.  If he didn't get shot by Ferrengi, if
every alien didn't beat him up, if Guinan couldn't shoot better than him, 
if....then it would have been cute, even funny.  But the bat thing just
adds insult to injury.

At least he beat up the Cardassian during the raid, and he told a phaser hit
square on and was still able to move. - Chuck


-- 
"I do not feel obliged to believe that same God who endowed us with sense,
reason, and intellect, had intended for us to forgo their use." - Galileo
"I'm an engineer, not a dictionary!" - Me
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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: ST:TNG Program Guide, V6.01 now available via anonuucp
Date: 25 Dec 92 05:23:55 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout



As I type this, the files are being created for anonuucp access from my system.
If you are an anonuucp user on my system, you can start getting the latest
release of the guide.  If you haven't used uucp to fetch files from my system
before, the instructions are attached below.

The files are NOT AVAILABLE from the ftp site yet.  When they are, Jaye will
make the announcment.  Don't bug him until he says they are ready.

I've also upgraded the async driver and the serial port chip on my modem card.
If you can use PEP mode, you will see about a 200 cps improvement.  Not a whole
bunch, but every little bit helps.  Odds of having a communication error has
also dropped to practically nothing.  I used to have constant problems with
my news feed.  But, with the new FIFO serial port chip, the problems went
away.

Be sure the fetch the README.601 file.

Enjoy the update.


ANONUUCP

The program guide files are also available via anonymous uucp from my system.
Here are the details:

	Phone:		608-274-9275
	Baud:		19200(PEP only)/2400/1200
	Login:		anonuucp
	Password:	none (it will not be asked)

The main directory is ~nuucp/guides.  In there you will find a file called
dir.list.  Get it, as it will list all of the latest files that are in the
guides' directory.  After you get it, study it and then request the files
that you need.  This area contains more than ST:TNG guides and lists.  The
area will be under constant changes, as new lists and updates will be added.
The uucp command to fetch the directory listing is:

	uucico -r1 -svidiot\!~nuucp/guides/dir.list <your preferred location>

For some reason there is sometimes a problem while logging in.  When doing
the log in procedure, the anonuucp login name may sometimes have doubled-up
characters.  This can be seen when using the -x9 option of uucico.  If that
happens, add a delay between each character.  In most cases this solves the
problem.

(The above mentioned problem may be gone)
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From: msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood)
Subject: Re: The Turbo lift - What gives?
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 06:04:04 GMT

I would guess that it's an extra security measure. Sort of like
hand (finger) identification for access to places with security
needs (engineering, bridge, brig, shuttlebays, etc.). They
didn't bother to tell us (of course) ...

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From: pcp2g@karma.astro.Virginia.EDU (Gilligan)
Subject: Re: COC2-- 5 lights? SPOILERS!
Reply-To: pcp2g@karma.astro.Virginia.EDU (Gilligan)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:13:56 GMT

In article <1hmkvpINNp7m@agate.berkeley.edu> cascio@garnet.berkeley.edu
(Jamais Cascio) writes:
>SPOILERS 
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|> >At the end of CoC2, when Picard shouts that there are only four
lights,
|> >and then stumbles away, Gul Madred has quite an interesting smile
on
|> >his face-- one could almost call it triumphant.  My wife concluded
that
|> >Madred had, just before the final meeting with Picard, installed a
|> >fifth light.  When Picard sees what are obviously five lights, he 
|> >cannot accept what his eyes are telling him.

I thought of that, and rewound my tape. When the scene opens, just
before
JLP tries to smash the RC for his Torture Device (TM), we are viewing
him 
from above, THROUGH the lights scaffolding. There are four lights
there.
I too thought that perhaps Madred, that bastard, had installed a fifth,
but he didn't.

--
* Phil Plait                 pcp2g@virginia.edu 
*
* "To escape from our own island, we must each metaphorically
*  kill our own Gilligan..." 

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From: afdenis@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison)
Subject: Re: DID ANYONE PICK THIS UP -CoC II- Poss. Sp.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Ancient Souls Inc.
Date: 30 Dec 1992 17:08 EST  

In article <1992Dec30.073335.9908@afterlife.ncsc.mil>, agscrib@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur Scribner) writes...
> 
> 
>^L

Uh ... the ^L in a text format won't work, Arthur
> 
> 
> 
>^L

.. it didn't work again ...

Here !


>Did any one else notice that when Picard's _torturer_
>was speaking to Picard about some ruins on some
>Cardassian planet, the Cardassian said the some of
>the artifacts had been _unearthed_. I just find it
>                          ^^^^^    
>kind of odd that the Cardassian would refer to the
>excavation of some other planet as unearthing, since
>that word is linked to our planet EARTH.

Ever heard of a Lunatic ? :-)
                ^^^^
.. or a Mars Bar ? 
         ^^^^

.. or a Centurian
     ^^^^^^^

.. or Uranus ? {Gack... but I couldn't resist ? )


>   
>Just a little observation.

Wait ... the guy's british accent didn't bother you, but you spotted the 
`unearth' comment ? 

Perhaps it was because if he had said the artifacts had been _unCARDASSED_, 
*I* would have come UNglued ! :-)

.. didja notice that they call their appendages `arms' just like us ? 

.. and that they have ugly trac-lighting (though only *4* of them, dammit!)
just like us. 

.. or that Bev (and the Ferengi himself, now that I think of it) referred 
to the Ferengi that transported them to the Cardassian base as "... quite 
a MAN." (I found this one a bit more obvious than the `unearthed' comment)

If they tried to make the `alien-ness' too realistic, you'd end up with 
another `Darmok' but without the explanation at the end.

-- Stephen

{Experimental .sig # 30245/T}

Humans -- 

	Beings stupid enough to create their own monsters, and then 
	curse their luck when they run into them.
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Subject: Re: Chain of Command Part I (*SPOILERS!*)
From: morgan@arc.ab.ca (Sean Morgan)
Date: 21 Dec 92 09:49:21 MDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Alberta Research Council

After rappeling down the cliff, they seem relieved that it is a suicide 
mission, so they don't have to climb back up later.

A question: what happened to the anti-gravity boots that Spock used in ST-V?
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From: joer@inca.law.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld)
Subject: Is the Federation going the way of Asimov's Empire?
Organization: CSU Law Library, Automation Dept.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:25:29 GMT

Chain of Command I spoilers ...









































Ok, this should do it this time.

I could not help but feel after watching this episode that the Federation 
was becoming a slight bit like the rusty Empire in Isaac Asimov's 
incomparable _Foundation Series_.  consider that it is so easy to fool the 
Federation, and that they would blindly give up their laws and policies to 
prevent what is fairly obviously a trap.  I think I would not be surprised 
to see the Federation holed up on a Trantor-like planet in some time.  their 
admirals and Captains have stopped thinking for themselves, and this is the 
surest sign that the Federation is slipping.  If I were Starfleet I would 
seriously worry about potential Romulan attacks in the future, and twere I 
Romulan (and I am) I would plan some subterfuge, to fool the Federation, who 
is ripe for a fall.  The Federation needs better thinking to avoid the fate 
that befell the Empire.  And think ... if the Federation becomes like the 
Empire in Asimov's stories, should it not fall?

Regards-
Cowboy

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Joe Rosenfeld
joer@inca.law.csuohio.edu
From: phil@phunt.howtek.MV.COM (Phil Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: ST:DS9 - I saw the premier on Satellite!!!!
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 14:33:19 EST
Organization: Howtek, Inc.
Reply-To: phil@phunt.MV.COM
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2

It was on 12/30 6:45pm Telstar 301/10v

It was OK, not great!!!!!

But, it was neat to see a totally different ST for a change.

BTW, the date on the splash screen was 1/4/93, which is the first airdate
for the episode.

Phil

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From: kentk@Kimbro.SeaSlug.ORG (Kent Kimmel)
Subject: Re: Where are the enlisted personal?
Organization: D. Briank Kimmel - home system
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 03:08:29 GMT

[deleted] @ns1.cc.lehigh.edu writes:

>It seems to me that Starfeet has a lot of Officers and no enlisted personel.
>I can rember only two one is Chief O'brian (Chiefs are to the navy what
>sargent's are to the army) a other was a one show charter named chewmen tarces
>in the epsoed about a possable conspery on the enterprize. If a Lutent  (Warf)
>is incaharg of securty that meas that all other security personal are suposed
>to be Ensions or enlisted persionel. That dosn't leave mutch of a chain of
>command?

And I thought my spelling was bad.  I know spelling flames are frowned upon,
but... WOW!  

Maybe he's just a *REALLY* bad typist.

Happy Hollidays


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