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From: jwindley%cheap.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley)
Subject: Re: kiloquad????
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:12:01 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

"Stephan A. Zdancewic" <sz24+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>A kiloquad is a unit of energy.

Not in the 24th century.  In the Star Trek universe, a kiloquad is "a
unit of data storage capacity." (TM, glossary, entry "kiloquad").


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From: jhk1@cec1.wustl.edu (Jonathan Howard Krivitzky)
Subject: Re: Why is Data So Limited
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:49:38 GMT

In article <ewright.721503645@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>Then there's the business of Data doing a double take or
>pausing to think.  This happens frequently, and certainly
>makes him appear more human.  Often it is used for comic
>effect.  But it shouldn't happen.  Data's thought processes 
>are perhaps a million times faster than a human's.  Data's 
>pausing for a second to think would be like a human pausing
>for a year.

	Why not?  One of Data's greatest goals in life(!?) is to be more human.
When he pauses or does a double-take, it is probably carefully calculated
to increase his human appearence, and in those cases where he really does
realize something after a moment (the classic, "I see sir - Oh, I SEE sir.")
may involve some extremely comples calculations.

	--Jon K.

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From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: Why is Data so limited?
Organization: Aston University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:30:58 GMT

jimhsu@athena.mit.edu (Jimmy M.D. Hsu) writes:
: 
: But, the real reason I posted was that I also recall an episode of TNG
: where they visit this planet that bio-engineered all of its citizens for
: a specific role in society.  Apparently the downfall was that a critical
: balance was needed, and a natural disaster came by and upset this delicate
: balance.  The moral of the story was exemplified when Geordi's visor gave
: Geordi an idea that helped saved the planet.  I think the writers were trying
: to say that diversity is important, since the planet they visited had
: everything all planned out, but lacked natural diversity.

It is also in the Vulcan Philophcy of IDIC.
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From: forman@cs.washington.edu (George Forman)
Subject: More Relics Wrongo Things of Interest; atmosphere, Dyson sphere
Keywords: atmosphere, Dyson sphere
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering Dept., Univ. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 18:23:13 GMT
Expires: 11/25/92

Some people suggest that the Enterprise would burn in the atmosphere
rushing out of the Dyson sphere.   Can you think of a way that 
neither problem would occur?   How about a cylindrical force
field around the portal that keeps all the air out of the exact path
of the Enterprise.   Or how about a force field across the portal
that keeps the air in-- it requires a great deal of force to push 
through (air molecules can't manage it, but the Enterprise can with
the force of the tractors), or perhaps those molecules that escape are 
beamed back inside.  How about this: while the Enterprise is still 
outside, it is contained in a spherical force field; the portal 
field is interfero-modulated as the sphere passes in, providing an 
air-tight seal all the while, and the sphere protects the Enterprise
from the atmosphere.  Or how about this: the Enterprise didn't burn
ascending through the atmosphere because it was being moved slowly
by the tractor beams-- it wasn't free-falling through the atmosphere.
Or how about a force field air lock. Consider the civilization inside--
you wouldn't want to be flying along in your Cessna inside when
suddenly the airlock force field came into existence.  I like the
permanent force field tube idea-- you wouldn't have to worry about
flying into that zone at the wrong time...but you would have to post
a no-fly zone around it.  Probably have warning indicators in the planes
to indicate your flying up on something you can't go through.  This tube
also keeps you from loosing your favorite kite inside the air lock when
the force field comes into being.

As for the complaint that the side thruster manouvre wouldn't have
kept the Enterprise from banging into the far side of the sphere-- 
perhaps they applied some of the thrust to deceleration and
most of it for lateral movement.  And perhaps they did another such 
thruster 'burn' once they got past their immediate predicament.

I'm excited about this newsgroup's ability to come up with 
interesting technologically-feasible(maybe) solutions, not just
problems & complaints with the show.  Much of the difference is
whether a potential problem is raised with an air of criticism
("That's so stupid. There's no way...") vs. an air of curiosity
to find a solution ("How did they _____ without _____.").

My 2c.

So, let me ask a question:  Seems like there would be an engineering
challenge with venting excessive heat from the sphere.  I'd suppose 
the star in the Dyson sphere would produce much more energy than they 
needed or wanted for the sphere's inner land surface.  If our Earth
didn't rotate, the side facing the Sun would get scorched.  How did
they keep the land inside the sphere from being stir-fried?


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From: rob@zorro.cecer.army.mil (Rob Knauerhase)
Subject: Re: Handicaped in Star Trek TNG.
Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers Construction Engineering Research Labs
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 06:31:33 GMT

In <1992Nov11.234537.16156@cs.mun.ca> joseph@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Joseph Dawson) writes:
>I have noticed that the new ship has no steps in it.  Where the old show
>had steps within the bridge, making it not accessable to people in a 
>wheelchair, or a robot with wheels.  
>Is this new change something done to make the show look better or did someone
>think of accessability?

I assume the new bridge was for looks only.  Besides, steps would not
present a burden to a 24th-century wheelchair-type device due to the
presence of antigrav units and the like.

However, as of TOS, Chris Pike's wheelchair didn't seem to have antigrav,
so you might be right.

Rob
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From: smintz@sedona.intel.com (Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: The Next Class of Starship...?
Date: 13 Nov 1992 16:35:05 GMT
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Keywords: beyond galaxy....
Originator: smintz@alamo


In article <riouxp.721621280@iros1>, riouxp@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Pierre Rioux) writes:
> happy@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Rusty Soots) writes:
> 
> >  Hi all.  Based on the creative juices of the people who read this group,
> >yeah right :), what in your opinion should the next class of starship
> >(after galaxy) be like?  What kinds of modifications, advances, etc.
> >would you like tosee in the next class of starship?  I'm just curious
> >to hear everyone's two cents...thanks!  :)
> >								Rusty
> 
> All I know is, I'd like these ships to be called "Asimov Class". :-)
> --
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Another Asimov fan!!
From: savoia@sw.stratus.com (Rick Savoia)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why is Data so limited?
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:39:22 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
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In article <1992Nov12.125733.17547@umbc3.umbc.edu>, cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144) writes:
> 
> Anyway the Romulans are really into bio-eng and all that and so are the Vulcans
> to a less drastic extent. How do you think they made Spock? That took alot of
> genetic manipulation! 

They didn't MAKE Spock.  If you were tyring to get improve 
your race by bio-engineering, would you allow one of your
members to cross-breed?  Especially in a situation where 
one of the members is non-emotional and the other is
emotional?  I don't think I've read anything anywhere about
Vulcans getting into genetic-manipulation.

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From: rryan@panix.com (Rob Ryan)
Subject: Re: "The Royale" Question
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:02:50 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

In <1dr61eINN8fq@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> tarcil@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (here and gone) writes:

>sorry norm.....there is a solution to this.  In 1990 (if I remember the date)
>a Swedish (actually not sure, but it was European) person solved Fermat's
>last theorem.  He proceeded to sell the solution to Japenese for LARGE Amounts
>of money.  The big deal about the solution that he discovered when he solved
>it is that he could break codes at an alarmingly faster rate than ever thought
>of, and he could make a code that could only be broke using the fomula.
>This is brought to you courtsey of the National Public Broacasting Network
>in America....( i have a friend who recorded the news report, so I know it
>did happen)

Could your friend pass on the name of the mathematician and details?  I
remember hearing something about finding the proof (and 1990 sound right),
I hadn't heard the details.  The general consensus is that no such proof
has been found, so if I could look up the mathematician in some math
journals, I'm sure that he'd be in some.

An interesting thing that I heard about it was that the proof was made using
mathematical theories available at the time of Fermat.  Do you know if this
was the case?  This clearly isn't any evidence that Fermat did have the
proof (and it seems likely he didn't), but it makes the question interesting.

Someone pointed out that sci.math's (or whatever) faq indicated that Fermat's
proof hadn't been found yet.  It seems that we can only reconcile the
contradictory evidence if we get the name of the mathematician (and thus
look up details).  Or has this mathematician not submitted the proof for
examination by other mathematicians?

Thanks.

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From: Neal_Pitts@uu0570.foggybottom.com
Organization: Foggy Bottom / Washington, D.C.
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 11:58:28 EST
Subject: Re(2): Holodeck Hijinx (Mater

 I believe in that first season episode on the holodeck that Wesely
Crusher mentioned to Commander Riker that the scenery he was seeing was
one of the simpler patterns available; this could explain why Data was
able to throw the rock against the wall, because in some of the simpler
patterns, not everything is real.  The computer probably also figured
out that Data was doing a demonstration.

NCP

Foggy Bottom - your FirstClass Mac connection in Washington, DC

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From: gtk8310@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: warp
Reply-To: gtk8310@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:06:10 GMT

edit
edtsend


sedn
helo
elp

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From: len@diamond.ssc.gov (Len Singleton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: "The Royale" Question
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:10:34 GMT
Organization: Superconducting SuperCollider Laboratory

In article <1992Nov5.155516.3935@usl.edu>, tlb2665@usl.edu (Burleigh Thomas L) writes:
|>  In "The Royale" episode, at the beginning and ending of the show, Picard
|> refers to an unsolvable equation/theorom.  What was the name of this
|> equation? What was the equation itself?
|> 
|>  Thanx a 1E6!

Fermat was an amateur mathematician who worked on a version of the Pythagorean 
Theorem.

The equation is as follows;

         n       n        n
       a^   +  b^    =  c^        where  n > 2

Fermat, wrote in the margin of a math book that he had found proof that this
equation is not true for any value of n greater than two.  Unfortunately
he did not include the proof.


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From: CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP000)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: RE: Containment fields
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:37:56 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <BxAsy1.FI5@kingston.ac.uk> cs_e373@ceres (Matthew Simpkin) writes:
>Last night I saw `We'll Always Have Paris' in which a hole was torn in the
>fabric of space into another dimension. Data then had to patch the whole by
>pouring Anti Matter into it.
>
>What confused me was didn't the anti-matter pods need a containment field
>around then like the ones on the Enterprise ? - Data just walked around
>with one in a clamp-type-thingy.
>
Well, you certainly can touch antimatter with any matter, not even a
clamp.  On the other hand we don't know how much antimatter Data was
carrying.  It could have been a rather small amount.  After all, piece
of antimatter the size of your thumb would be enough to set off an
explosion with the energy of two atomic bombs when it comes in contact
with an equal quantity of matter.  I imagine that the pod Data was
carrying did contain the antimatter in a containment field.

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From: max@west.darkside.com (Erik Max Francis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Neutronium (was Re: Atmosphere in the Dyson Sphere)
Date: 4 Nov 92 18:39:57 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM

cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Colin J. Wynne) writes:

> No no no no no not quite.  Neutronium would be matter composed entirely of
> ordinary, run of the mill neutrons.  The basic example is that a
> collapsing star will have so much gravitational force as to 'fuse' protons
> and elctrons together into a neutron (Mp + Me = Mn, (+1) + (-1) = 0
> charge).  So, a neutron star is like a big nucleus made up entirely of atoms.

When the neutron star is formed, the protons and electrons of the atoms 
in the core of the massive star are pressed together with such pressure 
that they "touch" and form neutrons.  (By the way, the mass of the proton 
plus the mass of the electron does _not_ equal the mass of the neutron.  
There's a binding energy/mass involved.)

When the neutron star is fully formed, the neutrons which make it up are 
"touching"; that is, the Pauli exclusion principle takes effect.  This 
means that the neutron star (at least the part that is pure neutronium) 
is itself a _giant atom_ with atomic number zero (no protons).

Your use of the phrase "a neutron star is like a big nucleus made up 
entirely of atoms" suggests a little confusion on the difference between 
atoms and nuclei.

> Now, if the force is great enough, the individual neutrons start fusing
> together, becoming one big *solid* neutron.  This would be the singularity
> that would cause a black hole to form, because it is so dense that it
> completely screw normal s/t curvature.

I think you're moving in the realm of fantasy, here.

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From: enf021@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Achurist)
Subject: Re: The Next Class of Starship...?
Keywords: beyond galaxy....
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:05:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.231705.17535@ncsu.edu> happy@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Rusty Soots) writes:
>  Hi all.  Based on the creative juices of the people who read this group,
>yeah right :), what in your opinion should the next class of starship
>(after galaxy) be like?  What kinds of modifications, advances, etc.
>would you like tosee in the next class of starship?  I'm just curious
>to hear everyone's two cents...thanks!  :)
>
>	


Ships designs like most designs are based on the knowledge we know and that 
we have obtained from past designs. Therefore anything that is not up to 
scratch on the present enterprise that a solution or a better design can 
be found that can't be put on the present enterprise without major 
modifications will be incorporated in the next type.  I believe they 
did this with the shuttle enterprise ( of NASA ) to build the operational
columbia, and again with columbia to build atlantis and challeger, notice 
how the newer shuttles got better, lighter, cheaper (in some cases) and 
better equiped as more data previously impossible to know was collected 
from past designs.

This is rather like a pathfinder showing the way to go before the rest
follow.


so the next starship enterprise would be :

if the smaller engine, larger primary hull still works or is better
for the new tech that is around for the next design then this trend
might continue, ie even smaller engines/even larger p.hull.

If the secondary hull is used less in THG than TOS then if we extrapolate
again then there might be no secondary hull and the engine projecting from
the p.hull, the ability to separate and save the women and children still
being served by an inner primary hull or upper/lower hull etc

The enterprise has generally got bigger in each major refit/redesign so
I would expect it to on this occasion also.

Any basic designs that are standard would be kept if possible like :

the shuttle bays are partially protected by the warp nacelles from phaser
attack while shields are down allowing extended escape.

the basic design of primary hull and warp drive of the same level and 
secondary joining them would probably be kept (despite wot I said above).




my two peneth,

Achurist.

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From: chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton)
Subject: Klingon Home World??? 
Distribution: world
Organization: Keristor Systems
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:20:52 +0000


In article <1992Nov11.162431.46689@watson.ibm.com> kaylar@vnet.ibm.com writes:

>Uh, isn't "sol" the sun?

Yes, and by convention 'Sol 3' is the third planet out from that star,
i.e. Earth, Terra, etc.  Standard (SF) nomenclature is that if a star is
named 'x' then 'x #' is planet number '#' in increasing order of
distance from that star.

The time that it breaks down is when the name of a star includes a
number - something like 'Wolf 531'.  Then you'd need to somehow tack the
platet number on the end 'Wolf 531-3' or something.  More likely,
however, is that another name would be found for the star if it was that
important...

Does anyone know if this has been accepted as a general astronomical
convention, or is it just SF?

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From: jimhsu@athena.mit.edu (Jimmy M.D. Hsu)
Subject: Re: Why is Data so limited?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:27:50 GMT

cs202144 writes:

>HIS NAME IS GEORDI...Alot of people still don't know the names of the
>characters.

>Anyway the Romulans are really into bio-eng and all that and so are the Vulcans
>to a less drastic extent. How do you think they made Spock? That took alot of
>genetic manipulation! According to a couple ST:TNG episodes and novels as old
>as from ST:TOS the Romulans have always been into making their race stronger,
>smarter, etc.


While we're on names, I think Data's creator is Noonian Soong (sp?).

But, the real reason I posted was that I also recall an episode of TNG
where they visit this planet that bio-engineered all of its citizens for
a specific role in society.  Apparently the downfall was that a critical
balance was needed, and a natural disaster came by and upset this delicate
balance.  The moral of the story was exemplified when Geordi's visor gave
Geordi an idea that helped saved the planet.  I think the writers were trying
to say that diversity is important, since the planet they visited had
everything all planned out, but lacked natural diversity.
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