From: ljmorly@polaris.utu.fi (Laura Johanna Manninen)
Subject: Re: Anti-Semitism charges
Organization: University of Turku
Date: 29 Aug 92 15:24:03

In article <2503@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM> tom@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Tom Albrecht) writes:
> I've decided that I'm not going to directly respond to any more MJ charges
> of anti-Semitism.  It is quite clear, at least to me, that the MJ
> definition of anti-Semitism is very different from the dictionary
> definition, or the defintion used by most rational folks.

Could you please give us your definition of anti-semitism ? I remember 
having seen it previously here, but unfortunately didn't save it.

>  When groups like
> the MJs can  twist and distort the meaning of words to suit their own
> purposes, and be successful about it, we have arrived at Orwell's vision in
> _1984_.

Please give some evidence to support your charge.

> While crying long and loud about my anti-Semitism, they have utterly failed
> to show what specifically I have said that is anti-Semitic from the
> Scriptures.

Are you saying that there is something anti-semitic in the scriptures ???

>  As I said in the past, the charge of anti-Semitism is raised
> entirely because some MJs and I disagree over the matters like whether the
> original church should have retained a Jewish distinctive, and over the
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> future of the nation of Israel, strictly theological issues.

You are in a wrong newsgroup !!! This is alt.messianic(.judaism), not
alt.anti.messianic.

> But quickly another oldtimer who loves to use the "A" word warned Donna of
> my anti-Semitism.

Please elaborate. And what is "A" word ? 
 
>  Donna responded by jumping on the namecalling bandwagon,
> announcing that she knew all about my "theology," when in reality she knew
> nothing about my specific views when she made that statement.  Apparently
> the Nineth Commandment has become inoperative for some Messianic Jews.

How do you know how much of your theology has been discussed in the "toy
network" ? And who's accusing whom here ?

> Anyway, like Dickens wrote, it's been the best of times and worst of times.
> I can deal with charges that are based on nothing more that someone's
> quaint notions of eschatological correctness.  I'm not intimidated by the
> nouveau thology of Messianic Judaism.  If it's real it will last until
> Christ returns.  If it isn't then it will quickly fade from the Christian
> scene as it's adherents find their way into more orthodox Christian
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> denominations.
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Are you implying that MJ's are heretics or what ? Please be more specific.
And what's your basis for this statement ?

>  But I see no further usefulness in direct responses on my
> part.  If you want to discuss the Bible, let's discuss the Bible and stop
> with the hatemongering.

:-)

Now who's trying to run away...

> -- 
> Tom Albrecht

- Laura
--
"But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans 
of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins are from ancient, from the days of eternity." - Micha 5:1

"Though the mountains be shaken and the hills be removed, yet my unfailing 
love for you will not be shaken nor my covenant of peace be removed,"
says the LORD, who has compassion on you.    - Yeshaya 54:10

met b'chet, CHAI B'Y'SHUA !