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From: ceci@ide.com (Lou Ceci)
Subject: Re: PLEASE VOTE!!!
Summary: Simple acts, profound effects 
Keywords: voter registration, letters
Organization: Interactive Development Environments, SF
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 20:27:32 GMT

Buchanan's harangue at the Repugnican National Convention made me so
mad I went out the next night and volunteered for the Clinton/Gore
campaign.  They put me to work immediately, helping with precint
rosters.  Its was boring.  It was tedious.  But it needed to be done.

The next weekend, I joined a group of volunteers registering voters in
the lower Haight district of San Francisco.  We registered 30
Democrats, one Repugnican, and a "Decline to State."  It was hot.  We
weren't always greeted kindly.  But it needed to be done.

Last week, I sent a letter to the Manager of Human Resources where
I work.  I asked her to please send a copy of our company's non-
discrimination policy, which includes sexual orientation, to the
Governor so that at least this time he can't claim he's protecting
business interests if he vetos the latest gay rights bill.  In my
letter, I urged my company to stand up against "cultural cleansing."
She said she would have to talk it over with the President of the
company and the Vice President for Personnel.

It was scarey.  I waited a week for results.  Then, today, I got
a message back from her.  They sent the letter supporting the
bill and included a copy of our own non-discrimination policy.
And they sent it on business letterhead stationary.

The company took a stand, she said.  It was unusual, but it was right.
And, she said, it needed to be done.

We can each do these things.  They are not big things, or glamorous, or
very dramatic.  But they get things done.

--Lou
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From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Not necessarily Christian
Date: 01 Sep 92 02:13:59 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.



>(graves)
>>Without a doubt I have much to learn.  
>
(anderson)
>Humility might be a good starting place.


Yeah.  You're a great one to talk, Jess.  You and Leona Helmsley, both
humble queens in their own right.

Maybe you, the humble servant of all,can teach John Graves the meaning of 
humility?  

Why of course you can; the fact that you're so humble is what gives 
you the right to fling accusations, isn't it?  Silly me.  



/(graves)
/What in hell's name is this supposed to mean?  Does humbleness mean that I 
/can have no views that are controversial or different from yours?  . 


Of course.  Arguing with God is a sign of arrogance and a stiff neck.
If you disagree with Jess, that is tantamount to arguing with God.



/(graves, about anderson)
/Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.  

You noticed that too, I see.



(graves)
>>I would not be doing an internship or studying at Duke if I
>>thought I knew everything there was that needed to be known.
>>But my "fitness" is not an issue.

>(anderson)
>Pride goeth before a fall.


"and a haughty spirit before destruction".  

Finish the verse, unless you're afraid it might backfire on you.



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From: pmele@ldgo.columbia.edu (phil mele)
Subject: adoption
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:48:20 GMT


i heard on the radio that time magazine did a story re adoption and woody
allen / mia farrow.  one of the points being that as an unmarried couple
living apart who were allowed to adopt children, a president is set that
should make it easier for gay people to adopt.

-- 

Phil Mele  (pmele@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu)
Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory of Columbia University
Palisades, N Y  10964
From: carlton@husc10.harvard.edu (david carlton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Republicans
Date: 23 Aug 92 23:10:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.CARLTON.92Aug23161031
Distribution: usa
Organization: Citizens for Boysenberry Jam
In-reply-to: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu's message of Sun, 23 Aug 1992 16:23:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.162310.11061@amhux2.amherst.edu>, twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

> I got e-mail from a gay Republican the other day *insisting* that
> "family values" is not a code phrase for "anti-homosexual position."
> The mind reels.

I dunno - I think their "family values night" made it quite clear that
they were against a lot more than just us queers...

david carlton
carlton@husc.harvard.edu

        I swear to the Powers All Around that I cannot fathom where
        all these idiots are coming from lately.  Have we been
        written up in Field and Stream or what?
                                                - Jess Anderson
From: dubbs@unix.SRI.COM (Julie Dubbs)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Stimulating Photos
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:55:06 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California

In article <1992Aug28.200452.1250@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com 
(Greg Parkinson) writes:
>  But what do dykes like?

Most pictures of beautiful women posing in fashion magazines don't send
me.  What does thrill me is a beautiful woman doing something physical.
For instance, the action photos in the fall Patagonia catalogue.  Another
favorite is a tv commercial of a few years ago in which a pretty brunette
in a big cowboy hat says, "I like trucks!"  She's just leaning against one
but I could imagine her pounding across the hills in a full-size pickup.

Julie
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From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: The Life of Reilly
Date: 04 Sep 92 04:36:26 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

In article <1992Sep04.022535.12919@microsoft.com> georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly) writes:
>ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
>) coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>) > georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly) writes, wrily:
>) > > Or Wreilly...
>) >Oh, rielly?
>) No. its "O o o o oooooohhhh! Reilly!"
>
>Oh, Ry!  Leeeeeeeeeeeeead us into temptation.
>
>But remember: don't rile Reilly by calling him O'Reilly.

Let's see: if Ry Schwark married George Reilly, would he be
Ry Reilly?

In a wry mood. (And I ain't the only one, from what I
hear.)

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
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From: goldfarb@husc.harvard.edu
Subject: On Peter Gomes
Keywords: Gomes, Republicans, Harvard
Organization: Harvard University Philosophy Dept.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:10:54 GMT

[Posted by proxy for Warren Goldfarb]

  For various technical reasons, I can't post now.  But you
might find it worthwhile to post that, yes, of course it's the
same Peter Gomes on the op-ed page, University Preacher and
Plummer Professor of Christian Morals at Harvard U., as the one
who had "something to do" with the (2nd) Reagan inauguration. 
What he had to do with it, as I remember, is that he offered
one of the prayers (benedictions, whatever) at the ceremony.

   I don't know what Peter's feelings about the Repulsivican
Party are now that they've decided to become fully a party of
hate. I can imagine the Party's feelings about Peter, now that
he's come out.  I'm sure he will no longer be called upon to
bless any assemblage of them.

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From: hsu@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Re: Foreign-born Gay Asians
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 22:15:15 GMT

Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:

> I'd like to hear from other foreign-born Asian gays as to whether mos
> t ASian gays pick it up from culture, or are simply born that way

(Sorry about this tardy response to an out-of-date article, but I can't
keep up with my Arthurian duties while moving across the country to start
a new job with 2 week's notice.)

I grew up in two of the most homophobic cities in Asia (Hong Kong and
Singapore). When I was 11, I was envious of my boy scout friends who
got to fool around at camp (no, no, not *that* kind of camp). I loved to
watch the boy next door take showers. The list goes on. Does that answer
your question, Arthur? (When will you give up?)

Bill
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From: psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (P.S. Powledge)
Subject: Re: RNC: Buchanan's speech
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:59:00 GMT



In today's _New York Times_, we learn that Pat Robertson, one of the 
featured speakers at this year's Republican National Convention, has
been sending around a fund-raising letter in opposition to a proposal
that Iowa adopt an state-level equal rights amendment for women. 

This proposal is actually part of a secret feminist agenda, he intimated,
that is "a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages
women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft,
destroy capitalism and become lesbians."

Hmm, maybe the Republicans are right about their party being the *real*
party of inclusion and diversity. After all, I bet those mean ole 
Democrats, elitists that they are, would never dream of letting an 
untreated paranoid schizophrenic address *their* party's nominating 
convention.

-- 
				||| Polly Powledge
				||| Internet: P.S.Powledge@ATT.COM
				||| Uucp:     att!hrmso!psp
From: buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: A Short History ofDiscrimination in the Military
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:59:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: rpi._pny9dj



a History of Discrimination in the American Military

1911: Rear Admiral Edward Barry , Commander of the US Pacific Fllet was forced
     to resign after an alleged liaison with a cabin boy.

1943: Military Psychiatrists define homosexuality as a medical condition, rather
       than a criminal act. Homosexuals are discharged.

1948: President Harry Truman allows African-Americans to serve in the military.

1976: Miriam Ben-Shalom is discharged honorably from the U.S. Army for
      acknowledging her lesbian identity.

1986: Army Reserve Captain Dusty Pruitt is discharged after stating that she is
      a lesbian in a newspaper interview.

1987: Miriam Ben-Shalom is re-instated.

1987: The Pruitt case is dismissed; the judge says the courts are required to 
      give ``substantial deference'' to Army regulations.

1987: The U.S. Naval Academy forces Joseph  Steffan to resign.

1991: (August) _The Advocate_ outs Assistant Secretary of Defense Pete 
      Williams, drawing attention to the hypocrisy of the policy.

1991: (November) Rep Barbara Boxer (D-CA) introduces a resolution calling 
      upon the president to rescind the ban against lesbians and gays in the
      military.

1991: (December) An 85 year old judge calls Joseph Steffan a ``homo'' and 
      upholds the Navy's decision, citing AIDS.

1992: (May) Rep. Patricia Schroeder (D-CO) announces the introduction of the
      Military Freedom Act of 1992, which wuld prohibit discrimination based
      on sexual orientation in the Armed Forces.

1992: (July) Col. Margarethe Cammermeyer, a decorated 23 year Viet Nam nurse,
      is discharged for revealing her lesbian identity during questioning for
      a security clearance.
      
-- 
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Repeat after me: "Mel Gibson is a Catholic Fundie from Hell!"
Repeat after me: "Mel Gibson is a Catholic Fundie from Hell!"
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From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: RNC: Buchanan's speech
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 13:47:52 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

mcmelmon@aruba.apple.com (Matthew Melmon):
> I know Buchanan is a rabid demagogue, but I confess to roaring with
> laughter over this one, too

you find it particularly funny because you can't finish the thought
you started when you called Buchanan a "demagogue."  have you tried
squirting Lanacaine in your ears?  it might soothe the itch you
feel whenever you attempt to think.

-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:09:03 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


>Well, lookie here.  One post, just one post.  And it's even
>from ANOTHER person, not me.  

Check out this person's paranoia, eh?  Pretty sick cookie.
Disowned by the Navy, he wants every gay person on earth to
pay in misery, the only coin he knows how to trade in.
Women he despises for no other reason than that they *are*
women.  Fantasizing rejection on every side, he holes up with
the images straightness, adopting an imagined persona of
strength, virtue, and authority.  Charade from start to
finish.

>What happens?   anderson gets his panties all twisted up.  

And he isn't even imaginative enough to make up his own
insults ("getting your knickers in a twist" was *my* line
umpteen posts back).

>For all you folks who asked for evidence that the motss
>"Frequent Flamers" are a closeminded group of folks, or that
>they consistently overreact ("Trying to get you killed"?
>get a grip on reality, anderson),

Everyone who asked for such evidence, please raise your hands.

Anyone who knows an LGB person beaten, maimed, or killed by
this fool's staunchest allies, the raving homophobes, please
raise your hands.

Anyone who resents the trivializing of the murder and mayhem
visited upon us for centuries by this bigot's cronies,
please raise your hands.

(But please consider making the show of hands by sending
 mail to him, rather than by posting here.  Unless of course,
 you prefer to post.)

>I submit this post as proof.

Notice this person's notions of proof, reality, and truth.
If it weren't basically pretty sad, it would be laughable.

I know he's getting to be rather wearing, but he's a
paradigm of how the Gay Buchanans buttress their conviction
that we're better off being invisible and afraid in the
closet, the way they are.  This man is a close analog of the
Roy Cohn type: utterly cynical, ruthlessly self-interested,
and in every way a stooge for the oppressors.  He wants to
play poker with my freedom, and with yours, him and his
closet buddies.  They hate women, they hate most of us, and
(note it well) they hate themselves.

Not all the enemies are straight, not by any means.  This
one says he gay.  We have only his word on that, and his
word has proved less than sterling in the past.  We have
*straight* enemies who are more tractable than this creep.

-- 
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From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: An obvious solution
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:32:57 GMT

In article <jhansen.714929174@convex.convex.com> jhansen@convex.com (James Hansen) writes:
>
>Here's that word "normal" again.  Straight society as
>a whole do not free associate with the gay community.
>Like myself at an early age, they only see/know what the
>media shows them.  

And the media only shows them what they want to see.
Many people forget that the media is fundamentally
entertainment.  Its about marketshare and reader
profiles and all that.  The "normal" gay people
are frankly boring.  The audience wants shocking and
titilating images of bearded men in fluffy pink dresses.
They want butch women in leather on huge motorbikes.
This is the simple reality of the media, by its need
to entertain, it must necessarily focus on the points
of interest and so distort the truth.  I find it happens
all the time in my work.  Reporters take minor disagreements
and write about them as epic slugfests between the
bitterest of enemies.  Normal business discussions become
secretive meetings in dark smoke filled rooms, where the
fate of the universe is being decided away from prying eyes.
These certainly make the stories more entertaining to read,
but it sure isn't the truth.

That's why everytime I hear some idiot talking about the
shocking images of gays/lesbians in the media, and how
if we just cleaned up our act, we'd have better images
in the media.  Never mind that its an awful thing to
do, it just plain won't work.  The media seeks out the
shocking, and you probably can't bury it deep enough that
they won't find it, or make it up, or distort what they have.

Trying to change the media's presentation of us directly
is chasing a rainbow, it just won't happen.  The way you'll
change the presentation is to just keep on being loud and
out, until attitudes change (and they are) and the media
no longer can shock or entertain with extreme images, and
so moves on to something else, gay and lesbian issues having
become too normal.

Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
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From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Publicity
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 18:45:34 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon):
> That [the Republican political machine]
> are waving a red flag called  'The Homosexual Agenda' does *not*
> mean they give to craps about it - it means they *think* it will
> work well as a distraction.

are you here because you fools ran out of twinkies
at the Log Cabin Club?  gads, bush must be feeding
you idiots confiscated drugs.
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: practicing roles
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:23:16 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher) wrote:
>One tiny example: I was suprised to learn, reading here,
>that crossing your legs by putting one knee on top of the
>other is regarded in the States as typically a nelly thing
>to do.  In the UK, and I think most other places, this is
>completely neutral behaviour.  Everyone does it. 

But didn't Ms. Cresson prove to you that all British men are gay?




       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
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From: bw462@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bucky Whaley)
Subject: Re: Quilt overlap
Reply-To: bw462@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bucky Whaley)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 05:09:39 GMT


In a previous article, lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) says:
>I just got mail saying that the quilt would be displayed on Oct 10th.

Yes.  The Quilt will be on display in DC the 9th-11th.  I believe a
candlelight march is planned in Washington for the evening of the 10th.

-Bucky
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: memorial wishes
Date: 24 Aug 92 03:48:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug24.034800.3061
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <64516@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>Absolutely.  "Last wishes" have a lot of importance to some of
>us, and I think it is the *HEIGHT* of insensitivity and arrogance
>to go about changing someone's declared last wishes just because
>*YOU* don't like them, for whatever reason.  If someone doesn't
>like the fact I want some Metallica played at my sendoff, they
>don't have to attend.

Um, er, OK.  Thanks for the warning.

>>Well, what are gay bikers, if not drag queens of a sort?
>On the other hand, perhaps
>you've never met any *real* bikers who are gay other than Ken Dykes.

Well, there's you and there's Ken, so I guess you're absolutely right.

>Would you call *him* a "drag queen"?

If he wanted me to.  I'd do anything he wanted me to.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Stimulating Photos
Date: 31 Aug 92 01:04:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug31.010457.22206
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Aug28.200452.1250@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com
(brave Greg Parkinson) writes:
>I don`t like pictures of men taken for straight women.  I imagine
>that dykes don`t like pictures of women taken for straight men.  Is
>that right?  Wrong?  What do you like?  What makes you stop and say
>"ooooooooh"?

Robert Mapplethorpe's photograph of David Hockney and Henry Geldzahler
sitting together on a wooden deck. Hockney is lying horizontally on a
bench parallel to the plane of the camera, and Geldzahler is sitting
by Hockney's head with his back to him, looking to the right.

The photograph is intensely erotic to me, and has been since I first
saw it 6 or 7 years ago (before I realized I was queer). They are
hardly touching (if at all), and they are completely clothed. It's the
marvelous intimacy of the two men, the way they are sitting together.

You have to see it.

I don't think that Hockney and Geldzahler have been lovers, but I
could easily be wrong. I'm pretty sure Hockey is queer - is Geldzahler?

(If you don't know Mapplethorpe's art other than the stuff that has
come up in the NEA controversy, go look at it. A good portion of his
work is homoerotic - nice pictures of naked men and their cocks. And a
lot of it is more conventional - portraits (famous people, from Grace
Jones to Roy Cohn), flowers. That's what sucked so much about the NEA
controversy - Mapplethorpe is an excellent artist, not just a
pornographer. Why couldn't they have attacked some of the art that's
just bad or trashy?)

If you're asking what sort of sexually explicit photos stimulate me,
the answer is.. not many. Oh, some of the cute naked boy pictures give
me a hardon, but the physical types I really find appealing aren't
usually pictured in porn. Also, I don't think my sexual interests are
primarily visual. 

ObTangentialThread - how are pictures of naked men that are intended
to turn women on different from pictures of naked men that are
intended to turn other men on? What's the difference between
"homoerotic" and it's counterpart "heteroerotic" (or more commonly,
just plain "erotic") when there is only one person in the photo?
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                                            Love under will
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From: michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane)
Subject: Re: practicing roles
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date:  4 Sep 92 05:11:06 GMT

jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher) writes:

>Crossing your legs is culture?  I'd no idea that culture
>was so *easy*.

no, no, no. opening your legs is culture. and i won't talk about
*easy*...

>This should be more widely known.

hmmm....

--mike
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