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From: perry@lheavx.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brendan Perry)
Subject: SKA on CD
Followup-To: alt.music.ska
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:38:06 GMT

Howdy, 

I've been a big fan o' ska since I got 'The Specials' back in '81. Since
then
I've picked up quite a few other things on cd and record I'd like to share.
Besides the nouveau-ska of the early 80's (Dance Craze, This are Two-Tone,
etc).
For some great rocksteady/Bluebeat:

"Intensified SKA -- 1962-1966" on Mango Records. Great stuff by Desmond
Dekkar,
							                        (includes 007 (Shantytown)), Justin Hines,
The
                               Skatallites, et al. I got it at Tower
Records in
		                             the Reggae/Compilation section.

"Club Ska '67" on Mango Records. Filled with bad recordings but the best 
	              rocksteady from Justin Hines, Dekkar, Rita Marley (Pied
Piper!)
	              Sir Lord Comic, and, sorry, this is from memory, a great
song
						         called "Copacetic" by the Rulers (I think). I bought it in
               State College, PA, a town not known for it's record
selection
               for $5.99. A Bargain at twice the price. I've also seen the
CD.

For the nouveau-ska other than the obvious Two-Tone:

"Mashing up the Hits" -- A compilation album with some good stuff and bad 
	                        stuff. I ain't gonna judge, but there is stuff
from
		                       the Toasters, Bim-Skala-Bim, Let's Go Bowling,
etc.

"NY Beat" -- on Moon Records (the Toasters label among others). A
compilation
             album with stuff from Urban Blight, the Toasters, and I can't
	            remember what else, but if ya want a song/artist list for any
of 
             this, let me know.

"Bob Marley 20 greatest Hits" -- Very early Marley, bad mastering but
righteous
			                              versions on 'Maga Dog' and 'Soul Rebel'.
It 	
	                                seems Marley's early stuff is mostly
rocksteady
	                                (to me anyway)

"Scattered Lights" The Skatalites. I saw them July 4th 1990 in DC with the 
		                 Toasters. Great show, ans they sold me this tape for $3.

"The Toasters" --EP from about 1985. 4 songs including a cool 'Radiation
Skank'
                 I met these guys in NY in '86, they were drinking at the
Cat
                 Club and I tried to get them to play at PSU, where I was
going
                 at the time. For those in the NYC/Philly corridor, I
always had
                 a good time seeing the Toasters, Fishbone, Urban Blight
(not 
                 always ska), and a Philly band called Public Service at
the
                 City Gardens, on Calhoun Street in Trenton, NJ.

Sorry so long. But one final note, there's a good band in Central PA called
The
Earthtones, catch 'em if you can. They aren't groundbreaking, but they do a

good service to their forebearers, and 'Rasta-robics' is good for the
Cardio-
vascular...


Peace,

Brendan
Newsgroups: alt.music.ska
From: phoffman@orac.holonet.net (Paul E. Hoffman)
Subject: Re: Desmond Decker
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:27:30 GMT

Barry Gates <ATHENA@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:

>Can anyone suggest good albums, or good song titles, by Desmond Decker?
>Did he play in any other bands?  Also, any favorite Skatalites lps?
>I'm going to be grubbing through some used record shops over the
>holidays.

There is a ***great*** best-of called Rockin' Steady: the Best of
Desmond Dekker, issued by Rhino (of course). Has all (most?) the hits,
lots of early low-fi stuff, quite a good collection. Smallish booklet,
but certainly adequate for learning about him then and now.

>>Paul Hoffman
-- 
||  Why quote someone else?  ||
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From: tonya@cvedc.prime.com (Tony Alabi)
Subject: Re: Crazy 8's
Organization: Computervision Beaverton Oregon
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:02:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.175740.22753@microsoft.com> ajayj@microsoft.com (Ajay Jindal) writes:
>In article <DEE.92Dec14185813@skipper.physics.sunysb.edu> dee@skipper.physics.sunysb.edu (James Dee) writes:
>>Is anyone out there into the Crazy 8's?  For those who haven't had the
>
>YUP! When I moved out west and a girl I met here found out I was really
>into SKA, she gave me this Crazy 8's tape which was their first release.
>Very heavy SKA influence.
>>now that I live on Lawn Guyland, I don't have the opportunity.  Has
>>anyone seen them recently?  Are they still together?  Have they moved
>>east at all?

they are still together, but had some personnel turnover in the past year
and half. some key memebers left to either take care of family or go back
to school.

>
>I saw them recently (less than a year) ago here in Seattle and was very
>dissapointed.  They seem to have turned to some kind of thrash/grunge
>wannabees.  They had a good thing going but perhaps they wanted to cash in
>on the Seattle "sound".
>
absolutely right! there was a very talented guy(Mark) who was also versatile
since he left it took 2 or more people to fill his shoes. 
i think rick the drummer also left to get married or something like that.
they are still based in corvallis, or. they play here very often
and will be playing with 2 other bands on sat dec 26.

you can still get a flight out here and catch them.




Newsgroups: alt.music.ska
From: haupt@cs.columbia.edu (Marcus E. Haupt)
Subject: Was [ Ska Question ], Is: Get Your Fred Perry's out!
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: alt.music.ska
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:47:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.220759.16711@cs.sfu.ca> tim@cs.sfu.ca (Tim Swartz) writes:
>Could someone please describe for me
>this oft-mentioned "porkpie hat"?
>Thanks.


Porkpie Hat [origin unknown, to me that is] - man's hat with a siff, narrow brim.
	The top comes to two points. 


 			^  ^
		       / \/ \
		    - -      -- 	
		    

	this type of hat was a favorite of Rude Boys in Jamaica and then in
	England as well. I think that it is just a traditional mens hat, it
	is probably considered dated even in England ( sort of like a bowler 
	hat is).

	Mine is a plaid Stetson that I picked up at a salvation army back in
	the 80's.	
			
	
	
	Note that Ska wear comes in several different varieties, the Rude Boy
	style comes from Jamaica, the Skinhead style comes from England...
	

	For Rude Boys and Rude Girls only:

	1. Black shoes, preferably roach killers
	2. Long black raincoat
	3. Skinny tie / white oxford	
	4. Black sunglasses
	5. Porkpie hat
	6. Braces (suspenders)	
=>	7. Fred Perry shirts and warm-up jackets (anything with the laurel leaves)

	Rude Boy dressing is about primping and styling. Rude Boys always look
	clean cut and well dressed. There is some overlap with Mods due to their
	love of Scooters in Jamaica and how Mods always want to look their best.

	FLAME ON (BURN SKINHEADS BURN)

	I don't appreciate the Skinhead influence in Ska. Ska is about Black and
	White coming together. Skinheads, regardless what they say, are wearing
	the outfit of the National Front (England's KKK), so if you are a skinhead,
	realize that other people who look just like you organize Paki-Bashing and
	other things good for the country as a whole....

	And don't tell my about Skinheads. I know Black Skinheads too. I also ran
	into a bunch of Skinheads late one night in the East Berlin S-Bahn. They
	tried to live up to the spirit of Oi!

	FLAME OFF....

-- 
Marcus Haupt           "Two Truntables and an X-Server"
Dept. of Comp. Sci.				
Columbia University
haupt@cs.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.ska
From: brunetm@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Brunet Martin)
Subject: Re: Suggestions / Re: uptight
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:49:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.021027.6978@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.213840.25347@psych.toronto.edu> psa@psych.toronto.edu (Psychology Undergrad Assoc.) writes:
>> [...]
>>ment at the time.  Now there are several new bands that call themselves 
>>"Ska" or "Ska-influenced", such as The Toasters, Skaface, Bim Skala Bim,
>>Me Mom and Morgentaler, and The Special Beat.  Just like all the other
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>movements, these bands have a lot of differences in their sound, and it
>>is sort of hard to define what the best "Ska" and there is.  
>> [...]
>
>       Hey, I didn't know that Me Mom and Morgentaler were Ska! I never heard
>them, but I know they played Montreal a number of times. Are they from Mtl,
>Tor, or Vancouver? Would anybody else characterize them as Ska? And, well,
>I'll be home in Mtl from 12/22 to 01/09, does anybody know if MMM'll play
>there during that period?
>
>       Hubert.
>
>(P.S. some people got offended by my last post. My aim in that post was to
>revendicate the right to use ALL CAPS when one sees fit. Hope most of you
>figured out the underlying sarcasm in there)
>
>

They come from everywhere (the members) but I think they meant at Montreal.
So they are from Montreal. I saw them 20 time (at the FOUFOUNE ELECTRIC at 
Montreal) and I can say that they are sort like SKA. They are very very
good. Another good SKA band from MTL is the MOBSTERS. Fxcking good progressive
ska band. They are playing New years eve at the Rialto with Groovy Ardvark,
Grimskunk, B.A.R.F., Reveletion Zero...for Me Mom, I didn't hear that they
will play during Christmas vacations.

    So soon...

{Electric CountryMan}


Newsgroups: alt.music.ska
From: plowenstein@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: The English Beat vs. The Beat
Organization: Clark University
Date: 16 DEC 92 16:32:43 GMT

they are the same band
Newsgroups: alt.music.ska
From: bradley@reed.edu (Ben Bradley)
Subject: Re: Specials on CD?
Keywords: specials, trombone
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:58:21 GMT

In article <92Dec16.185732.33073@acs.ucalgary.ca> jabraham@acs.ucalgary.ca (John Abraham) writes:
>The Specials were big when I was too poor to buy my own albums,
>so I just recorded everyone elses.  Now my Specials tape is gone,
>and I have none :-(  This is more than just a longing for a
>piece of rock history - I need them for their wonderful use of
>a trombone counter melody in popular music.
>
>So, is there a re-issue on CD?  If so, email me the number
>so I can order it.  If not, anyone care to make me a tape?
>
>Or do any of the "ska collections" mentioned in the other threads
>have the specials with their trombonist?  Who was that
>trombonist, anyway?
>
>-- that trombone and harmonica guy

The first Specials album is certainly available on CD.  I'm not sure
about subsequent releases.

The trombone guy, was that Rico Rodriguez, or something like that?

ben
bradley@reed.edu

Newsgroups: alt.music.ska
From: bwillems@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Balam Willemsen)
Subject: Special Beat
Keywords: Specials, Beat, Ska
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:13:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.133905.9250@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> que@still3.chem.columbia.edu (Quentin McDonald) writes:

>It is a pity you missed out on the SB, they did play approx. half
>and half from the Specials and the Beat and showed plenty of energy,
>at least in the New York show. By the way does anyone know for sure
>what the line up has been on the recent US tour.  The local publicity
>was somewhat confusing, two papers showed photos of the band with
>different members.  It seemed like it was:
>
>	Ranking Roger 	-	vocals	(the Beat)
>	Neville       	-	vocals	(the Specials)
>	?		-	vocals  (did the "Terry" bits)
>	John Bradbury	-	drums
>	Lynval Golding	-	guitar  (the Specials, Fun Boy Three)
>	?		-	guitar  (Was it John Shiply of Special AKA?)
>	?		-	bass    (_not_ Horace Panter ??? -) 
>	?		-	trumpet
>
>If anyone can fill in the gaps, I would be interested.

Well I recently picked up "Special Beat Live!" Coventry July '1992 on CD, and
here's the line-up on the CD.

John "Brad" Bradbury - Drums/Percussion
Lynval Golding       - Guitars/Vocals
Ranking Roger        - Vocals
Neville Staples      - Vocals
Anthony "Finny" Finn - Vocals (The Terry bits)
Wayne Lothian        - Bass
Sean Flowerdew       - Keyboards
Anthony Harty        - Guitar
Jason Votier         - Trumpet

Additional Musicians:
Saxa                 - Tenor Sax (sorely missed at the Boston show)
Eli Thompson         - Trumpet
Brian Clark          - Alto Sax

Without the Additional musicians this is probably the same line-up 
that played Boston and New York a couple of months later.

-- 
Balam A. Willemsen
Graduate Student, Physics Dept., Northeastern Univ., Boston, MA 02115
Newsgroups: alt.music.ska
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: The English Beat vs. The Beat
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:24:41 GMT

In article 11830@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu, stclair@ldgo.columbia.edu (moanna stclair) writes:
>
>Just out of plain curiousity -- is the English Beat the 
>same as the Beat or are these two entirely different bands.
>Also which one had Rankin Roger & the lead singer who formed
>General Public?

In the beginning, there was The Beat, a British ska band whose members
included Ranking Roger and Dave Wakeling.  When they started to sell
albums in the US, they were sued by a US band called The Beat (which I
don't know anything about), so they changed their name to The English
Beat.  Several of the members went on to form General Public.
Eventually, a few ex-English Beat got together with a few ex-Specials
to form Special Beat, coming soon to a club near you.

have fun
gak

---
I guess there's some things          |      Seems like the more I think I know
I'm not meant to understand          |                 The more I find I don't
Ain't life a riot? Ain't love grand? | Every answer opens up so many questions
Richard Stueven                 gak@wrs.com            ...!attmail!gakhaus!gak

P.S.  What does the "Ranking" in Roger's name mean, anyway?
Newsgroups: alt.music.ska
From: haupt@cs.columbia.edu (Marcus E. Haupt)
Subject: Calling All Rude Boys and Rude Girls
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:45:23 GMT



Here in NYC, Ska is pretty much a thing of the past....

All of the local acts (the A-Kings, Toasters, City Kids, Second Step)
have disbanded or changed formats. 

On the East Coast I know that Bim-Ska-La_bim and Boo Harvey never really were
Ska and certainly are not today....I haven't heard from The Good Guys in
a while.

Does anyone of the West Coast know about Donkey Show? I saw them way back
and thought that they were very good.

So, before I toss out my Porkpie hat and leave my braces in the trash,
Is there still new (and good) Ska Musis coming from anywhere
(Jamaica, Germany, England, USA,....)







-- 
Marcus Haupt                            
Dept. of Comp. Sci.				
Columbia University
haupt@cs.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.ska
From: keleher@cs.tulane.edu (William Keleher)
Subject: Re: Calling All Rude Boys and Rude Girls
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-19218]: venus
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:49:09 GMT


> haupt@cs.columbia.edu (Marcus E. Haupt) writes:
> >So, before I toss out my Porkpie hat and leave my braces in the trash,
> >Is there still new (and good) Ska Musis coming from anywhere
> >(Jamaica, Germany, England, USA,....)
> >
bkeating@jarthur.claremont.edu (Fool With A Plan) writes:
> I got a couple o Cali ska bands that I like.  Dance Hall Crashers and Let's
> Go Bowling.

  Indeed.  There is actually quite a bit of (IMHO) fine ska coming from all
over California of late.  To get a good feel for it, see if you can get a
copy of the recent "California Ska-Quake" CD which has a nifty graphic on
the back showing where all the bands are from.  Both the Dance Hall Crashers
and Let's Go Bowling are on the CD, I think.
								       -Wm.
Newsgroups: alt.music.ska
From: glenm@bcars441.UUCP (Glen Martin)
Subject: Re: Misc Ska Thoughts
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:17:11 GMT

Count this as another "Wow, I thought I'd never skank again" post.
I was in high school while the Beat and Specials still existed. The
last Beat tour was while I was in university, and I missed it through
being 20 degrees farther north than the northernmost point they
played, at the time. I'll always regret that. The work wasn't that
good ...

In article <1992Dec16.044720.24651@reed.edu>, bradley@reed.edu (Ben Bradley) writes:

|> Finally, as part of the aforementioned arrested development in high
|> school (in Vancouver, British Columbia) I often went and saw a local
|> band called The Villains.  Anybody ever hear them?

Yeah, I too grew up in Vancouver. The Villains, the B-Sides.

Now I live is this cultural wasteland (well, what *I* call culture!).

|> Keep the recommended recordings coming.  I'd like to hear about any
|> new band that is even close to ska.

Yeah. Also, I've seen some posts saying Special Beat still tours. Can
people post notes when tours are happening, with locations and dates?
I sure don't hear about things in this city ...

glen
From: aph@owlnet.rice.edu (Aaron Phillip Hertzmann)
Newsgroups: alt.music.ska
Subject: Suggestions / Re: uptight
Date: 13 Dec 92 18:30:01 GMT
Organization: Rice University

Speaking of uptight.... remove your caps lock key and chill.  Just listen to
the music or shut up, ok?

Now, I personally would like you ska scholars to reccomend like a "best"
band that I could listen to.  How is mod-ska like bands that I am familiar
with, like English Beat (two-tone, I hear), and Camper Van Beethoven's
Telephone Free Landslide Victory?  Is it just reggae with a fast dance beat?

Aaron.   
"Judge not, 'cause while you judgin' me, someone else is judgin' you..."
-Bob Marley's first single, from his early ska days.  
Newsgroups: alt.music.ska
From: bbe001@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re: Calling All Rude Boys and Rude Girls
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:53:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.143309.24065@cvedc.prime.com>, tonya@cvedc.prime.com (Tony Alabi) writes:
> In article <Bz67Bp.3uG@cs.columbia.edu> haupt@cs.columbia.edu (Marcus E. Haupt) writes:
>>
>>
>>Here in NYC, Ska is pretty much a thing of the past....
>>
>>All of the local acts (the A-Kings, Toasters, City Kids, Second Step)
>>have disbanded or changed formats. 
>>
>>On the East Coast I know that Bim-Ska-La_bim and Boo Harvey never really were
>>Ska and certainly are not today....I haven't heard from The Good Guys in
>>a while.
>>
>>Does anyone of the West Coast know about Donkey Show? I saw them way back
>>and thought that they were very good.
>>
>>So, before I toss out my Porkpie hat and leave my braces in the trash,
>>Is there still new (and good) Ska Musis coming from anywhere
>>(Jamaica, Germany, England, USA,....)
>>
>>
> 
> ska is not dead . it is not just getting the publicity, like other music 
> do get. the toasters are still around, they are on the west coast.
> pato banton the english reggae star still does some tunes with ska 
> orintation, so is UB40, and other british bands. 

Going back to the original statement, "Here in NYC, ska is pretty much a thing
of the past"- I think my friend who goes to your school would disagree- The
Selecter just played a few months ago! Maybe my view is a little distorted b/c
of the horrible music scene here in Des Moines (go ahead and laugh), but ska
isn't dead anywhere if a group like The Selecter is playing there. The only
thing we got was a Toasters show up in Ames (about a half hour drive away).
There were about 10 rudies there, the rest were hippie-granola-types (it was
called Reggae Sunday, with a bunch of other bands). Quite a difference from the
other two times I saw them in my home town, St. Louis. But I got to talk to the
band and they said they didn't mind playing to such a small crowd, they've
played to even smaller (like not more than 50)! If we got even 1/50 of the 
shows NYC got...
Ruder than you
Brad

Newsgroups: alt.music.ska
From: tempelma@cs.utwente.nl (Frank Tempelman)
Subject: Re: Specials on CD?
Keywords: specials, trombone
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:55:13 GMT

In article <92Dec16.185732.33073@acs.ucalgary.ca>, jabraham@acs.ucalgary.ca (John Abraham) writes:
|> The Specials were big when I was too poor to buy my own albums,
|> so I just recorded everyone elses.  Now my Specials tape is gone,
|> and I have none :-(  This is more than just a longing for a
|> piece of rock history - I need them for their wonderful use of
|> a trombone counter melody in popular music.
|> 
|> So, is there a re-issue on CD?  If so, email me the number
|> so I can order it.  If not, anyone care to make me a tape?

Yes, they're available on CD. Also, recently a compilation CD was released.
I don't know the numbers to order them now, I'll look them up...
I think the label is Chrysalis (in Europe, anyway)

|> 
|> Or do any of the "ska collections" mentioned in the other threads
|> have the specials with their trombonist?  Who was that
|> trombonist, anyway?

Rico?

|> 
|> -- that trombone and harmonica guy

Frank
Newsgroups: alt.music.ska
From: rice@mirage.rtp.dg.com (Brian Rice)
Subject: The Connotations
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 00:49:26 GMT
Reply-To: rice@dg-rtp.dg.com (Brian Rice)
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.
Followup-To: alt.music.ska

What ever happened to the Connotations?  I have a great cassette 
of them recorded live at CBGB, featuring "You Are the Ketchup in 
my Coffee," "Orange is a Good Color for Love," and the legendary 
"Gentrification Skank." But the cassette is undated.  Ideas?

--
Brian Rice   rice@dg-rtp.dg.com   +1 919 248 6328
DG/UX Software Quality Engineering
Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, North Carolina    
"If you don't know how to pronounce a word, say it loud!" --William Strunk
Newsgroups: alt.music.ska
From: dnieder1@cc.swarthmore.edu ()
Subject: Re: Yaaaaaaaaaay!!
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 02:21:37 GMT

In article <BzFHM0.CDt@mtholyoke.edu>, mriley@MtHolyoke.edu (confused--I
think) writes:
> 
> 
> Oh man!  I am so glad that I found this group!  I'm a rude baby, just 
> discovered what I thought was ska (the Mighty Mighty Bosstones, Bim, Let's
> Go Bowling), but am getting mighty tired of the tapes that I have.  No one
> has mentioned the Bosstones--are they not considered ska?  Just wondering...
> Anyway, thanks everyone for the list of groups to look into!  My record
> collection will be most appreciative.
> 
> You might want to try and start at the begining, that is the late 60's in Jamaica.  Also look for a british group called Simaryp.  Very good rock-steadish ska.  Prince buster if you can find it.  Tower records acutally has a surprisingly large stock of early and later stuff, tho its sort of pricey.
good luck, dave.



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