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From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Mongolia
Date: 31 Dec 92 15:46:31 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <C043wL.DCw@unix.portal.com> becker@shell.portal.com (CELIA TONY BECKER) writes:
>To all concerned about Mongolia's relation to China:

Thanks.
>(deleted)
>Last, what ever happened to democracy in this discussion?  Shouldn't
>the Mongolians have the same right to self-determination as the
>Chinese or any other nation's people?

Of course. 
>  Shouldn't a plebiscite among
>Mongolians determine any merger with China?  That so many people
>in this discussion argued so strongly for "taking over Mongolia,"

Well, I did not notice that, how many? There are always a few to stir
this or that. But among all Chinese I know, none has any interest to
take over Mongolia -- though the most feel sad to the way those
revolutionaries in KMT and CCP to sell it. 

>or not recognizing it as an independent nation, shows how much 
>mainland Chinese have yet to learn about democracy and fairness.

That is right, we are learning.
>
>Recall that it was the Chinese government's murder of Genghis Khan's
>father that prompted him to take over China.

Well, that is very interesting. You seem having read a lot of history,
could you please enlighten us when the Chinese government murdered
Genghis Khan's father and when he took over the China?

>  This wasn't the first
>time the Chinese had murdered Mongolian leaders to try to divide or
>weaken the nation.

After you lecture the above murdering, you may continue to tell us
other stories. They must be very interesting.

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From: wang@shape.mps.ohio-state.edu (Qi Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Yan Xin Qi Gong Seminar at Indianapolis
Date: 31 Dec 1992 00:55:53 -0500
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
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!!!!! Great Opportunity to experience the sensational feeling of "Qi" !!!!!
!!!!! Admission Free !!!!!
**************************************************************************
    
                           YAN XIN QIGONG SEMINAR

                           Speaker: Master Yan Xin

**************************************************************************

QIGONG SEMINAR: The so-called "QIGONG seminar", also named DAI(4) GONG(1) 
BAO(4) GAO(4), is a format of lecture during which QIGONG
masters emit "QI" energy to the audience. The audience will receive
the energy if they are both physiologically  and psychologically relaxed. 
Once they receive this energy, they may feel hot, cold, swelling, aching, 
tingling, and pain inside their bodies. Some of the audience may even react
to the energy in stronger fashions such as spontaneous smiling, crying, 
dancing, singing, etc.. Some diseases may be cured during these processes. 
The healing effect is significant.

Speaker: Master Yan Xin.

Time:  Starting at 6:30 pm, Jan. 2, 1993.

Location: India Community Center, 4420 W. 56th St., Indianapolis.

Sponsor: The Indianapolis Chapter of IYXQA, 
         IYXQA(International Yan Xin Qi Gong Association), 
         ICAA (Indianapolis Chinese American Association), 
         IUPUI Chinese student and scholar Association, 
         International Student Association at Butler University.

Direction to India Community Center: 
Find Lafayette Rd at the westside of indianapolis, go along Lafayette Rd,
and turn to the east at the intersection of Lafayette and W. 56th St. The 
India Community Center is three blocks east from the intersection.
Road help phone number: 317-253-6739 ask for Qi Wang.
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 9 women among 10 best
Date: 4 Jan 93 01:23:27 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <1993Jan3.151509.18139@pt.com> mliu@pt.com (Fred Liu) writes:
<The Dec 30 1992 People's Daily reported the 10 best atheletes
<of China for the past year.  It's interesting that among the
<ten, 9 are women and the man is the last one.
<
<Where are those Chinese men?

The natural answer is: They are voting. 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Subject: Re: Two puzzles
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:41:41 GMT

In article <00965714.FA6CDFC0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
>In article <9211217249.AA72498@ccmail.uoregon.edu>, Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu (Tuya) writes:
>>
>>          1.  John starts to walk at
>>              5 miles/hour from point A to point B which are 10 miles
>>              apart.  The problem is his dog, which runs twice as fast
>>              as he does, starts with him and go back and forth in
>>              between him and point B during his walk.  Now the
>>              question is:  By the time John reaches point B, how many
>>              miles has his dog run?
>>
>1. walk time is same for both man & dog, speed is twice, so 20 miles.


	The real question associated with this famous problem is how
many people have attempted and successed to solve it by series 
summation method?

	(Someone did that in about 10 sec., in his head!  :-)  )



    Eddie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Everyone should change his major to Qi Gong major
Keywords: Qi Gong
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 20:29:57 GMT

In article <1i7g3bINN9ej@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> xzh@eddy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Xiang Zhou) writes:
>
>      QIan may be not a science man as you understand it, he may be a scientist
>at a higher level. He was an excellent scientist and a genius. Before you
>reach his level, don't make these claims. Remember that Newton used to say
>a lot of things about God. 

This is arrogant. When you say "his level", what exactly do you mean?
Zhou Peiyuan came to Columbia and gave a very ancient lecture on turbulence.
All his cited articles were 1930's and 1940's. The only thing we can
do is to be amused :-).

I have not had the luck to listen to Qian Xuesheng's speech. I don't
know what papers he will cite :-).

I listened five times the lecture of a very pretigous American
scientist, the lectures are almost identical except the last five
minutes. When I go to scientific conference, I am always interested
in the talk of "emerging" people, not old ones. These emeging people
are science.

In the last sentence, do you mean it is Qian's turn to say about
God? He seems to be so now. But this way, he is not a current scientist
anymore.

Scientist is not a honor. Scientist can be jobless, poor and powerless.
But scientist is a terminology which describe certain way of
understanding and analysis. Science cannot be abused just like a
poor man cannot be randomly abused. On the other hand, the poor
man connot abuse science even after he becomes rich.


From: ding@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com (Ignatius Ding)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 07:31:36 GMT
Subject: Happy New Year
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
From: jeffy@bass.bu.edu (jeff yuan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Everyone should change his major to Qi Gong major
Date: 4 Jan 93 00:46:16 GMT
Reply-To: jeffy@bass.bu.edu (jeff yuan)
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Boston University


As a student of the human mind (cognitive science), I think the
phenomena associated with Qi Gong are more a product of the mind than
physical reality.  That is, it is psychological manipulation on the
part of the Qi Gong 'master.'  Many psychophysical experiments have
shown that people can be tricked into experiencing something that did
not really happen and perceiving something that they did not really
see.  Most likely, believers are induced into experiencing Qi Gong
because that's what they want to believe.

Like a good magician, the Qi Gong master uses priming (sets you up)
and redirection and probably some knowledge of the body to fool
people.  It's all slight of hand and crockery, at least when it comes
to moving thing without touching (telekinesis) and altering matter and
such.  When it comes to healing the body and whatnot, sometimes it
works because the sick is too willing to believe and there is a strong
mind-body link (much stronger than many scientists are willing to
believe).  It is known that some cancer patients are successful in
combatting the disease because they believe it.  By having a positive
outlook, the brain can help the body to fight disease, since it is
know that emotional and other centers of the brain have physiological
links to the immune and endocrine systems and govern homeostasis (body
equilibrium).  From this I think Qi Gong is no different from faith
healing and other paranormal phenomena.

Just remember this, the mind very often alters perception and concocts
its own reality.  Without rigorous controlled experimental condition,
it is very hard to get unadulterated data, especially subjective
experience.  Sometimes trained experts can be fooled.  And a Qi Gong
expo is certainly not controlled nor rigorous.

As to whether Qi Gong is a science, science is all about conjecture,
test and experimental proof.  So Qi Gong masters can bullshit
(conjecture) all they want, what they rave about is all crap without
proof.  And I don't see any proof forthcoming.  At least not
scientific proof, because they say in order to experience Qi Gong, you
have to first believe.  Guess that places it squarely in the religion
category.

As for the trembling, OK, here's a demo.  Kids, go try this at home:

1.  sit on a low chair or stool such that your knee is slightly
	less than 90 degrees (knees slightly higher than hips).  
2.  sit tiptoed (heels not touching the floor), with your ankle at 
	about 90 degrees with your shank (normal unflexed or unextended).
3.  lean forward and place your elbow or forearm on your knees so that
	some of your weight is exerted at the ankle.
4.  hack, you don't need all 30 minutes.  mere 10 minutes will send your
	legs trembling uncontrollably (at least it worked great for me).

This is your stretch reflex (like knee jerk) at work.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
Subject: Re: Yan Xin and Qi Gong, Is It Science?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 03:03:14 GMT

Last year, a friend of mine attended Yan Xin's lecture in Chicago (I didn't
bother to waste my time :-), Yan Xin claimed that a little girl on the west
coast managed to move money from her mom's pocket into her own by "thinking"
(or "thinking power") after attending, listening and BELIEVING his lecture.

My friend then suggested Yan Xin that the ticket to his lecture should be
free of charge instead of $10 (?), and make sure everyone attending carry
$10 in his/her pocket and after the lecture, those money should be able to
be moved into Yan Xin's pocket by his "thinking power", how about that?   

Apparently Yan Xin took the suggestion, he gave a lecture for free yesterday
in University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, according to several who
attended the lecture, no miracle happened to anyone (either financially or 
physically :-))

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Bo Xiong in Chicago
From: pchan@acs.bu.edu (Patrick Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 9 women among 10 best
Date: 3 Jan 93 17:48:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: bu.105944
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1993Jan3.151509.18139@pt.com> mliu@pt.com (Fred Liu) writes:
>The Dec 30 1992 People's Daily reported the 10 best atheletes
>of China for the past year.  It's interesting that among the
>ten, 9 are women and the man is the last one.
>
>Where are those Chinese men?
>

Stay in the office and get as much money as they could for their families.
Or . . . being "tortured" by their wives and doing the housekeeping
job at home . . .

Hehehe . . . no discrimination, I am a man, too . . .

Best wishes!----
Patrick Chan
From: huangz@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Travel within China: HELP
Date: 24 Dec 92 12:04:18 AET
Organization: University of Central Queensland, Australia

In article <1992Dec17.181414.26939@netcom.com>, jturley@netcom.com (James Turley) writes:
>  I have a friend in Beijing (PRC Citizen high school teacher)  I'd like
> to meet her in Hong Kong next February.  Does she need a passport,
> travel permission, visa, etc.  How hard is it for ordinary PRC citizen to
> travel overseas (independent travel)....
> 
> Reply here or by EMAIL....thanks!

Yes, she need a passport (also entry-exit China permission) and a visa from
HK or UK. In general, it is hard for ordinary PRC citizen to get necessary
document to travel overseas. Independent travel?? No way! (If she is ONLY
a school teacher.) However, your case is special as the termination is HK.
It costs about HK$3,000 (US$400) to have a trip in HK from China (1990 figure).
Details are available in tralvel agents in HK, Guangdong and maybe Beijing.
It takes time, so be quick. Good luck!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wja@math.psu.edu (Jianan Wu)
Subject: looking for my friend Mr. He Yuanping at U. of Alberta in Canada
Organization: Chinese Basketball Club, The Pennsylvania State University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 02:25:22 GMT

Hi, He Yuanping:
Please contact me if you read this. Something was wrong with your e-mail
address.

--Jianan Wu from PSU

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu (Tuya)
Subject: Scott (A poem)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:47:11 GMT

          I miss him.
          ---------------------------

              Netlander Scott 
                              Tu Ya

      I met him in a Chinese restaurant
      -- He was pretty drunk
      Blurting loudly
      "Deng Xiaoping, and Mao -- cao4 de! "

      The next time I met him in rain
      He was soaked
      And handed me a flyer, which was hardly recognizable
      He said it was supposed to read "Long live Tibet" 

      Then time passed
      
      -- until in May 
      I heard a domestic voice outside my window
      "5 3 2 l 5 ..."
      Guess what -- that was, of course, him

      "Are Chinese all applying for a bloodcard?" 
      He asked seriously
      For God's sake I don't know.  So I said
      "Well, you know, the weather, haha, today, damn it"
      
      Since then I haven't seen him
          Someone saw him in China, on the
          sidewalk He had got arrested twice, once For the hippie hair
          style, another for being a leftist
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hyx1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Subject: Chinese Radio Amateurs Liberated!
Reply-To: hyx1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:14:12 GMT

For any Radio Amateurs out there:

BY, CHINA (NEW PREFIXES). In an ARRL bulletin this week, it was announced
that China has decided to permit operation by individual amateur stations
beginning December 22.  Prefixes will be BA, BD and BG.

If you don't understand the above paragraph:  Amateur Radio is a hobby,
the participants of which communicate with each other by radio accross the 
world.  Previously all the Amateur Radio stations in P.R.C were government
control.  

I'm looking forward to talking to a PRC ham from the Big Apple.
Thanks to those who replied to my question about CQ in Chinese.

Note -- I rarely read soc.culture.china due to its lack of culture.
Happy Holidays,
:-)  :->  :^(  8->
Harry Xu     | "The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary;
(KB2LHA/AG)  |  men alone are quite capable of every wickedness." --J. Conrad
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From: T710554@UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (shexin li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: (none)
Date: 30 Dec 1992 08:24:45 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

sub soc-culture-china shexin li
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From: xzh@eddy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Xiang Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Jiang Zeming's Funny Slogan.
Date: 3 Jan 1993 19:55:13 GMT
Organization: Brown University Center for Fluid Mechanics
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: eddy.cfm.brown.edu

In article <C06K6w.J39@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
|> Reading Editorial People's Daily on New Year give me some
|> funny feeling. Obviously, the following underlined words
|> were from Jiang Zeming sometimes ago. It recalls me that this
|> man once asked his son to stay in America and not to return
|> China when he was still in Shainghai.
|> 
|> BTW, I am still in favor of the first part of the sentence.
|> 
|> From CND News:
|> 
|> "In 1993, China should give stress to both economic development and
|> building of socialist culture and ethics, educate the people, especially
|> the youth, in line with the Party's basic line (of) patriotism,
|>   	   ----------------------------------------------------
|> collectivism and socialism," the People's Daily editorial said.
|> ---------------------------
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
 There is nothing funny about this slogan.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Yan Xing and Qi Gong, Is It Science?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 05:33:09 GMT


Yan Xing gave a Qi Gong lecture in Indianapolis today. It last
about four and half hours. In summery of his speech, I have following
doubt.

Yan Xing claimed that his Qi Gong could change the structure
of molecule of water by remote "Qi".

Yan Xing claimed that his Qi Gong could change the nuclear
structure more effective than accelerator.

Yan Xing told the audience that the man beside him had not
eaten anything except water for more than a year.

Yan Xing cited his support from famous physicists such as
Zhao Zhongyao, C.N. Yang (who is the fellow of American
Science Academy) and of course Qian Xuesheng.

Yan Xing cited that one Chairman at UC San Diego, who did not
believe him was convince by his experiment. Who is this Chairman?

Could Yan Xing's Qi Gong help to make cold nuclear fusion :-).

His talk sounded mysterious. But is science mysterious? If
Yan Xing were a scientist, what scientist could he be?


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From: hwoo@wyse.wyse.com (Hsien Woo x2305)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: The Nature of Democracy (8)
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:23:17 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Wyse Technology, San Jose
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

:   I won't call Jian Chen dog, becuase I don't want to humiliate dog. In
: fact, if I call something Jian Chen, it will the most insulting word
: ever used to insult that object. Anyway, I don't expact Jian Chen to
: read this since that jerk is unreasonable. But for those reasonable
: people who don't know HK that much, sincerly I want to tell you, most
: of the information about HK in the mainland Chinese propagada are not
: true. They are either partly true or all lies. If any of you really
: want to know about how HK has developed, it will be a long story, but,
: I guess, I can spend sometime to compile those materials.
: 

Steve, no need to lose your composure. There is no point in getting
into a shouting match with them. Why degrade ourselves from a logical
arguement into name calling ? Remember what the "bozo" comment cost 
Bush in the election ? I think if their arguement has a point then
argue with them, if not, let the readers decide whether they are 
ignorant or not. Understand your frustration but no point in getting
mad.

:   The way I see J Chen is just the way I see the CG, just ignore it.


Agree but while you can ignore J Chen, people of Hong Kong should not
ignore the CCP, do the best we can, state our position and remember 
what Winston Churchill had said " We will fight on the beach, we will
fight ....." 


: 
:   steve
: --
: stevew@helios.unl.edu  |=| \ Fender / |=| ... smoke on the water, fire in
:                        |=|   \    /   |=| the sky...   Smoke on the water.
: stevew@hoss.unl.edu    |=|     \/     |=|     (36 bars guitar solo)
: 		      Deep purple, the best

Cheers

Hsien-chung
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From: tao@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Eric Yihching Tao)
Subject: Complains about media from TIers <was: World Journal>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 22 Dec 92 02:27:12 GMT

In article <ljcai7INNoh6@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>
<lines deleted>
>Recently, the TIers in Taiwan accused that the United Daily and World Journal
>as a message passer of People's Daily. No matter what the accusation was, is
>there any basis to say so?  Isn't that funny to say so?  Or TIers just try
>to blacken everything that does not work in the same line as TIers want to be?

I heard a lot of complains from TIers that all the media was biased. Besides
arguing that no media can be *completely neutral*, I have to raised the 
following points for you guys to ponder (or to flame :))

1. Why do most people from Taiwan and came to US subscribe World Daily instead 
of any other newspaper, the Pacific Times ( the TI newspaper) is read by almost 
none except TIers, why?

2. When Taiwan lift the newspaper regulation, how come most of the TIer or even
the DPP's newpaper were bankrupted so fast that I don't even have chance to 
read them?

the last but not the least, why most (I think all, but not absolutely sure)
Chinese TV station use manderin when the majority of the chinese immegrants are
from Taiwan who according to TIer's expection will hate to speak or listen 
manderin?

Just some thing seemed interesting to think about.

Eric
From: xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Wanted: Chinese Word Processor Supporting HP LaserJet Printing
Date: 2 Jan 93 23:51:35 GMT
Organization: UB

* > I am looking for a free/shareware Chinese word-processor for IBM PC that
* > supports printing using HP LaserJet (series II). (or if there is one for
* > mac, that would do to.)
* > Could someone please tell me the name of such software?

Please look at /software/dos/print directory on
ifcss.org. There are printing programs with
editors, please look at /software/dos/editor
directory too. I will copy the printing part from
editor/ to print/ directory. I will do that soon. 
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