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From: twomblyk@next13csc.wam.umd.edu (Kristian Twombly)
Subject: My _own_ opinion...
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:09:21 GMT


Hi guys....

Just a few of my own opinions about last year...

Most emotionally performed show : SCVanguard
Most emotional show             : Madison
Most show                       : VK
Most improved corps             : Crossmen
Biggest dissappointment         : Bluecoats
Best M & M                      : Cadets
Cleanest M & M                  : Cavies
Dirtiest M & M                  : SCVanguard
Best DM's                       : Blue Devils
"Wave a Flag" show              : Star
Best visual effects             : Magic of Orlando
Just plain neat                 : Troopers
Best form                       : "Airplane"-Cadets
(tie)                           : "Flag"-Star
(tie)                           : "?"-Crossmen
(tie)                           : Blue Devils GUARD!!!
Too bad                         : Phantom
"Encore" award                  : Blue Devils
Biggest Chill                   : "silent push"-Cadets
(tie)                           : "?"-Crossmen
(tie)                           : "America the Beautiful"-Star
Chill                           : BAC (jus kiddin)
Best Uniform                    : Star
Most Theatrical                 : Phantom
Least Uniform                   : Blue Devils GUARD!!!
Most Opinionated                : ME

Thanks for listening to me....
Please feel free to rip these apart...
These were made for your entertainment only, not to be taken seriously..
Don't email me, cuz I deleted my mail file

Kristian Twombly
Rochester Patriots

Thanks!!!!
From: cf123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher Leigh Putnam)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Any West Coast news, yet?
Date: 20 Dec 1992 02:17:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cf123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher Leigh Putnam)
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Anyone heard what the Devils or other West Coast corps are playing next
year?  Any confirmations on what SCV will play next year?  VK? 
Freelancers?  Marauders?

Any and all info, as usual, will be greatly appreciated.
-- 
Chris Putnam (still a Blue Devils lover at heart)
Euphonium/Baritone
Star in '93?????
Go Devils Winterguard!!!!!
From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Material Rewards
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 16:06:01 EDT
Organization: Heavy Objects R Us
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In article <1g7po9INN388@bigboote.WPI.EDU> (rec.arts.marching.drumcorps), ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.082259.9287@iscsvax.uni.edu> phelps1230@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>>for winning, and the medals for top twelve.  I know plenty of people who have
>                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Can you elaborate about the medals for top 12.  I've never heard of this, and
>I was in top 12 once.

Yeah, they do that now.  All top 12 corps get the medallion on a ribbon,
instead of just the medallion like they used to do.

Niel

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
From: knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites)
Subject: Re: Phantom's drill writer in 93, Star's music in 93
Reply-To: knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:16:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.092208.14675@newstand.syr.edu>, rlmiller@rodan.acs.syr.edu
(Randall L. Miller) writes:
> In article <Dec.14.16.23.44.1992.19256@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
> >tmv@cupid.cc.bellcore.com (vandewater,thomas m) writes:
> >
> >>Yes folks, Phantom will have a new drill designer for 1993.  The
> >>new writer is Tony Hall, who we discussed a few articles before as
> >>the drill writer for the Cadets in 1986.  Tony has been working with
> >>a few marching bands, but has not written a top 12 DCI drill since
> >>he wrote for the Cadets.  
> >
> >[stuff deleted]
> >
> >
> >GOD HELP THE PHANTOM REGIMENT IN '93!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> 	Personally, I hope Phantom gets reemed this year. They deserve it.
> 	Flame Shield: ON. Actually, I have a lot of respect for the
> 	individual members, just not the corps as a whole.
> 
> 	Just my $0.03
> 
> 	Randy
> 	BAC 91-???
> 	  
> 
I had a friend who made it into Phantom this year, I won't say who and what
section, but he thinks their show is going to be more boring than last year, and
he couldn't stand the staff for his section the weekend he was there.  He also
thought David St. Angel was a real prick and they tried to brainwash the new
people with the "we got screwed" bullshit as soon as they walked in the door!

One final left!

Andy Combites
Cavaliers '92-'94
From: dostal2060@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: SameO Tunes
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:03:37 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

[misc. stuff deleted]

>>1988   Bluecoats / Blue Devils   -- Old Black Magic
>>1989   Bluecoats / Blue Devils   -- Johny One Note
>>1990   Bluecoats / Crossmen  -- Caravan
>>
>>Any others ??  
> 
> 
> Yup.
> 
> 1990 Cadets and Blue Knights  -   Sanctus and Agnus Dei from Leonard 
> Bernstein's "Mass".
> 

There's more.  How about 1991 Madison Scouts and Dutch Boy both doing "City of
Angels" music?  I know there must be a LOT more of these, but I can't think of
any more right now (finals have turned my brain to mush).

Jack Dostal
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Subject: Re: Has anyone noticed...
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 19:28:34 GMT

In article <01050023.l4scn1@chinchilla.cars.com> chinchilla!niel@cars.com writes:
>Is it just me, or has the tone of many articles suddenly changed since
>we moved to r.a.m.d?  It seems that not only are we getting more articles
>(which I think is good), they seem to be getting more into who hates
>whom and why?
>
>Maybe we need a new group, r.a.m.drumcorps.old.farts.pining.for.the.old.days,
>for people like me...
>
>Niel

I tend to agree.  There does seem to be a large number of posts ragging
on various corps and staff members, and recounting random incidents out
on the road.

These posts just reinforce any bad feelings people have about some
corps, or, if you like that corps, encourage the "everyone is out to
get me, so I deserve whatever I can get, however I can get it" attitude
that seems to pervade drum corps.

I am not suggesting these posts not be posted (if someone feels strongly
enough about something, they should post), but people should think
about whether what they post is of general interest or not.  For me
personally (translation: spit in the ocean), I could do without the
posts about, for example, how corps X had to push their bus across
Arizona (in 110 degree weather) in the 19YY season, and how corps Z
ridiculed them the whole season for it.  But your opinion (and mileage)
may vary.

-- Donald
Xref: sparky rec.arts.marching.drumcorps:190 alt.drumcorps:2697
From: MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps,alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Anyone want to play?
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:10:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In article <1992Dec15.212225.21867@medtron.medtronic.com>,
ck10322@china.medtronic.com (Cameron Kaszas) says:
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>
>OK, time for some humor.  :)
>
>Take a well known person, and select the corps that
>that they are most suited to, and state why.
>
>To get us started, I'll go with a couple obvious(?) ones from
>the last elections:
>
>Al Gore        Crossman           Save the earth!
>Ross Perot     Star of Indiana    He almost bought the presidency
>George Bush    Blue Devils        Stay the course, why change what works
>                 or
>               North Star '78     Read my lips!
>Bill Clinton   Cadets of B.C.     Keeping all his promises will be tougher
>                                  than getting their drill clean
>
>Some others I came up with:
>
>Vanna White    Santa Clara        She was part of the "S" in "SCV"
>Mike Ditka     Phantom            Gets upset when he loses, too
>
>And the list goes on??

How about:

 George Bush    Madison Scouts     Same old *trickle-down* we've all
                                   heard before
 Marge Schott   Phantom (St Angel) "If I've done anything to offend anyone,
                                   I truly apologize"
 Elvis Presley  Bridgemen          They're both dead.

Mike Hughes
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
From: tmv@cupid.cc.bellcore.com (vandewater,thomas m)
Subject: Re: Phantom's drill writer in 93, Star's music in 93
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 21:13:09 GMT



Mike,

Nice letter you are sending to DCI about the needed DCI publicity.

Why don't you also post that on prodigy...maybe when Bill Cook (or
someone else) reads it he'll help out!

Tom
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From: cf123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher Leigh Putnam)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: DCI CD's
Date: 20 Dec 1992 01:33:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cf123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher Leigh Putnam)
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I was wondering if anyone knows if the DCI CD's are created with surround sound capabilities.

I don't have a surround sound system yet, but will in the near future (hopefully-Christmas is almost here).

Any and all info is greatly appreciated.
-- 
Chris Putnam (still a Blue Devils lover at heart)
Euphonium/Baritone
Star in '93?????
Go Devils Winterguard!!!!!
Xref: sparky rec.arts.marching.drumcorps:110 alt.drumcorps:2643
From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps,alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Hurray! We're here!
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 16:07:11 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:

> I think we are keeping alt.drumcorps for a couple of months until
> we are sure that everyone is transfered over.
> 
> Phil will be in charge of sending the official remove group command
> to the proper authorities.

Just don't expect the rmgroup to be honored, especially with that dh Bruce
Becker (pronounced Richard Cranium) working to keep all alt groups alive.
I'm news sysadmin on several systems, but you can't help it if the new-
groups aren't honored by your upstream sites.  If they don't get it, they
can't feed it.

It's the squeaky wheel etc. etc.  Make noise!

-- 
dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
gatech!vdbsan!willard!dawson
emory!uumind!willard!dawson
Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814
From: minich@a.cs.okstate.edu (Robert Minich)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: ROMAN IMAGES
Date: 14 Dec 92 07:18:58 GMT
Organization: Oklahoma State University

by C_S01798@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (*Patrick Todd Sloan):
|   I have a few problems with someone asking the question "did you like 
| the `Roman Images' Program?"  simply because someone thought the music
| was obscure.  How can one even ATTMEPT to criticize such a show as
| "good" or "bad"?

As the surveyor, I felt I should respond.

I have no intenet to criticize the show as good or bad, at least not
yet. The mail box names were chosen to be easier to remember
than something like "A" and "B".

| ... Musically, I was not entertained as much as i
| was IMPRESSED with the musicallity and precision and complexity
| (all those things that are on the beloved judges sheet).  

I welcome comments like these in the survey. This brings out the
distinction between entertainment and what judges score. Does anyone
have the by-caption break down of scores for finals night Roman Images?

|  What I'm boiling down to, is before you try to make judgements on
| whether a show is "good" or "bad", you have to decide what kind of
| criteria you are going to use! ...
| ... I simply question the manner of "good" vs. "bad".
| There are just too many variables to consider!
| 
| Patrick Sloan       

The criterium is simply whether you _liked_ the show.... it can't get
much more subjective than that. I'm not trying to do a survey to make
anyone happy. I'm just curious to see what pops out.
-- 
Robert Minich
minich@a.cs.okstate.edu   | "Maybe awake is what's left at the end
Oklahoma State University |  of dreaming"
From: afo@apollo.HP.COM (Aaron Oppenheimer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Phantom's drill writer in 93, Star's music in 93
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:36:20 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1gno3oINNnfq@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec15.174519.6472@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> tmv@cupid.cc.bellcore.com (vandewater,thomas m) writes:
|> >OK Ken, why do you think this?  Did you not like Cadets 86 show?
|> 
|> Maybe because it sounded like Tony Hall has been totally out of the scene
|> since '86.  A lot has changed since '86.

Like what? Things look pretty much the same to me, actually.

Aaron

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
From: tmv@cupid.cc.bellcore.com (vandewater,thomas m)
Subject: Re: Phantom drum staff
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 16:56:52 GMT

In article <Bz426H.2Er@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, dsn41188@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (david nirschl) writes:
> Well, I'm no expert on this, but I thought people might be interested...
> The drum staff for Phantom looks something like
> 	Jeff Prosperie	 	Perc. designer, caption head
> 	Pat Fitzgerald		Toms
> 	Steve McDonald		Pit
> 	Kandra Summerhill	Bass
> All I really know about this staff is that they are all from the University
> of North Texas drumline staff.

 
Are these all new people or are some of these folks from last year?

Tom
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
From: holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Hurray! We're here!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:51:31 GMT

In article <urcat.724045023@mcl>, urcat@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eilidh Swan) writes:
> Hip Hip Huzzah!  Hip Hip Huzzah!  Hip Hip Huzzah!  
> 
> --
> Now that we're on.....anyone have an estimate on how long we're
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> holding on to alt.drumcorps till everyone makes the switch?  Michael?
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I checked alt.drumcorps today and it appears that some people still don't have
rec.arts.marching.drumcorps.  That might be something to take into
consideration.
							Charles Holt
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Phantom's drill writer in 93, Star's music in 93
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:49:32 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

jerger@d0msu6.fnal.gov writes:


[stuff deleted]


>As a matter of fact, this *has* happened before - not in Finals, but in '88
>we met PR for the first time in Cheyenne. They were the first midwest 
>corps we saw, supposedly were doing real well in the midwest shows, and 
>that night we clobbered them by two points, and by about .5 or so in drums.
>It was the only victory show we did that year, and it was sweet. From what I
>hear of the critique that night, Marty Hurley & Co. were having quite a
>screamfest. But then the next show we were tied, and the show after
>that we were two points behind them, etc... I remember a staffer saying
>"Welcome to the Midwest... this is where the rollercoaster ride starts."
>They were a better line and a better corps, just dirty, but it was nice
>for a time; first (and last?) time we ever beat Phantom...
>    Ok, Ken, go back to sleep, it was a long time ago, just a distant dream
>now... you'll wake up tomorrow and the world will be right side up again :-)


There you are Steve!  I was wondering where you have been?  Busy studying
I guess.


So what is on tap for VK '93.  Let's see.  Maybe a Madonna show picking
up where her book left off?  PSYCHE!!!!


In any event, have a good holiday season!!!


Ken
From: phelps1230@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: drum majors
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:49:53 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1gn22oINNhfc@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>, zaidioa@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
> I had a question as to how the drum majors in the drumcorps are chosen
> and is it up to the drum major if he/she wants to use a baton while
> directing or marking time while directing?

Colt DM's are chosen from people who have marched before, if possible. (I would
know, I was just about chosen in '91....fortunately I had two solos and a
septet in the show!! Anne Keller makes a very fine DM, and I don't envy her.)

Anne sometimes complains that she can't do anything musical with us. She is not
allowed a baton until the staff decides we are comfortable with the tempos.
Even then it is only an 'effect' for the slower, more expressive parts of the
show. Thus she is required to do 'equipment changes' about every other song.
And that's Anne, the human metronome!

None of our DM's have ever marked time. Either they didn't need it, or it would
confuse them. ;-) I suppose if you keep better time in your feet than in your
head, it might be necessary. *shrug*

Brooke
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps,alt.drumcorps
From: ck10322@china.medtronic.com (Cameron Kaszas)
Subject: Anyone want to play?
Organization: Medtronic, Inc., Minneapolis, MN
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:22:25 GMT

--------------------------------------------------------------

OK, time for some humor.  :)

Take a well known person, and select the corps that 
that they are most suited to, and state why.
  
To get us started, I'll go with a couple obvious(?) ones from
the last elections:

Al Gore        Crossman           Save the earth!
Ross Perot     Star of Indiana    He almost bought the presidency
George Bush    Blue Devils        Stay the course, why change what works
                 or
               North Star '78     Read my lips! 
Bill Clinton   Cadets of B.C.     Keeping all his promises will be tougher 
                                  than getting their drill clean

Some others I came up with:

Vanna White    Santa Clara        She was part of the "S" in "SCV"
Mike Ditka     Phantom            Gets upset when he loses, too

And the list goes on??







Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
From: rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke)
Subject: Re: Phantom drum staff
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:09:49 GMT

In article <Bz64op.Fow@news.cso.uiuc.edu> bjh42543@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian J. Haag) writes:
>rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke) writes:
>
>>The Rite of Spring would be great!!  I love that piece.  If it were played
>>both Phantom and Star's shows would be hated equally.  When a corps plays
>> a piece that is extremely compicated, or has little meldoy (i.e. Star 1991,
>						      ^^^^^^
>I think (and I'm NOT interested in a flame war) that saying that Star's 1991
>show lacked melody is way off base.  It wasn't a crowd pleaser because it was
>a little out of the mainstream, and didn't contain enough "drum corps" moments
>(someone else's phrase, not mine).

When I made the comment about the lack of meldoy, I was really refering to 
the Cadets 1991 opener, Short Ride in a Fast Car.  When I commented on
complexity, I was refering to Star, and for that matter the Cadets.

There were definitely distinct melodies in Star's 1991 show.  Maybe I should
have worded it differently.  Sorry.


Rob Dorocke
(rdorocke@ucs.indiana.edu)


>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
From: yourmom@storm.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman)
Subject: Re: Section rivalries
Reply-To: aelman@cs.stanford.edu
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 20:25:07 GMT

swain@aludra.usc.edu (Ronnie Swain) writes:
: "Fight On!" uses more than two cords.  You obviously must be refering to 
: "Tribute to Troy."  We love that song!

You're alone in the universe, then.

: 
: dum da da da da dum dum da da dum da da da da da dum dum da da da-a-a-!
: 
: Fight On!
: 
: Ronnie Swain
: swain@scf.usc.edu
: Trojans Rule!
: 

I fail to understand how any sane person can stand to listen to, let
alone _play_, that damn song over and over again week after week.
Doesn't it get just a LITTLE boring once in a while?

Jeez...
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From: hbawl@usmi02.midland.chevron.com (Wilber L. Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: SWC antics
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:26:30 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Dec9.192420.3999@ftpbox.mot.com> jstripli@mailbox.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com (Jeff R. Stripling) writes:
> In article <jgladu-081292125123@128.249.27.63> jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu (grungy (John F. Gladu)) writes:
> >Can you explain "insane".  I'm in the Rice University MOB (Marching Owl
> >Band), and we've been doing scatter/comedic shows since '71.
> 
> Ahhh, love the MOB.
> 
> I remember standing behind the endline in the UT Longhorn Band waiting to
> go on while the MOB played 'Joy to the World' (Three Dog Night) to our
> student section and watching 35,000 students sing, sway back and forth,
> and clap to the music.  Most impressive.

    I've always loved how the MOB can truly 'entertain' any
    student body... (even ours...,especially our....TAMU).

    If I ever move back to Houston,Tx (ie. my job moves) I'd
    certainly consider joining the MOB.

> 
> And then there was the time that the MOB screwed up the A&M band using
> whistles & mailed the UT band a videotape.  We watched it every year
> before the A&M game.  I would kill for a copy.

     I'd kill for a copy of that too.   Having been in the Aggie
     Band and learning all the 'Old-Army Stories',  this 'shame'
     always evokes some emotion from myself and my buddies.

     Being run like a military organization, and thus having an
     overwhelming infatuation with history and tradition...we
     (the Aggie Band) never forget this story.   For TAMU vs. RICE
     games played at RICE Stadium,  drills are charted and
     taught for  NO WHISTLES except for the  opening step-off.

     This tradition will probably continue forever ... even if
     it's no longer necessary.

> 
> ---
> Jeff Stripling
> jstripli@mot.com


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