HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Peter_Stockhausen@mindlink.bc.ca (Peter Stockhausen)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: TN  What is it?
Date: 16 Sep 92 04:35:20 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

The inventors of the minimalist chess language refer to such an item
as simply "N" for novelty. Sometime, somebody tried to "improve"
and invented "TN" for theoretical novelty. This seems a bit obscure
to my mind since once the new move has actually occured it is more
like a "PN" for practical novelty.:)
peter
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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hwr@intercal.com (Hanon W. Russell)
Subject: Boris and the QGA
Organization: Chessnews list (chessnews-request@tssi.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:21:01 GMT


Former World Champion Boris Spassky is, of course, no stranger 
to the Queen's Gambit Accepted. We found the following game in 
the March, 1951 issue of "Chess World" which was edited by the 
great C.J.S. Purdy. We reproduce the bare game score with the 
introduction to the game given by M.E. Goldstein...

Capablanca, when at the peak of his powers as World Champion, 
gave a simultaneous display at Moscow on November 26th, 1925. 
One of the four winners was a self-possessed youngster of 
fourteen named Mischa Botvinnik, for whom Capa predicted a 
bright future. We all know how 23 years later, Botvinnik assumed 
the mantle of World Champion, held previously by Capa, Alekhine, 
Euwe and once again Alekhine until his untimely death in 1946.

Will history repeat itself and will 14-year old Boris Spassky 
become World Champion round about 1975? Here is a game won by 
Spassky at the ripe age of twelve.

Spassky-Aftonomov
Leningrad Boys Championship 1949
Queen's Gambit Accepted
1 d4 d5 2 c4 dc4 3 Nf3 Nf6 4 e3 c5 5 Bc4 e6 6 O-O a6 7 Qe2 b5 8 
Bb3 Nc6 9 Nc3 cd4 10 Rd1 Bb7 11 ed4 Nb4 12 d5 Nbd5 13 Bg5 Be7 14 
Bf6 gf6 15 Nd5 Bd5 16 Bd5 ed5 17 Nd4 Kf8 18 Nf5 h6 19 Rd5 Qd5 20 
Qe7 Kg8 21 Qf6 1-0
From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer CNN
Date: 5 Sep 1992 08:22:15 GMT
Organization: The Sinister Icy Black Hand of Death Club
Reply-To: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu
Originator: goldfarb@sandstorm.berkeley.edu

In article <benwood.715537634@milton> benwood@milton.u.washington.edu (Ben Henwood) writes:
)The reporter mentioned that Fischer faces a $250,000 fine from the
)Treasury Department when he returns to the US for violating the
)sanctions.  He noted that if Fischer wins the match and $3.5 million,
)he could easily afford it.
)
)Ben Henwood

	He could easily afford the fine. I doubt that he could afford
the jail term of up to ten years as easily...

-- 
   David Goldfarb          | "I am the mad blind energy of the universe,
goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu  | I vacuum under the beds!"
goldfarb@UCBOCF.BITNET     |            -- Kim Stanley Robinson
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: F-S II gossip
From: fry@tara.harvard.edu (David Fry)
Date: 12 Sep 92 13:59:44 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard Math Department


Various experts covering the match in Yugoslavia have made statements 
lately about Fischer's rustiness.  Seirawan said it was particularly 
disappointing after Bobby's "flawless" win in game 1: "It was so 
marvelous that we were just soaring to it -- and now it looks like 
we're back in the pits."  

But it's not all Fischer's doing; the experts say Spassky's playing 
better than he has in years. "He's surprising me, and I know for damn 
sure he's surprising Bobby. But I don't think he can keep it up," 
said Seirawan.  He added that Bobby needed to get his desire to win 
again.  "I think it's really good that right now he's getting his 
butt kicked.  I think it will temper him a little bit."

"For 20 years he did not play. If you don't play the piano for 20 
years, how can you be a concert pianist?" - Andrei Lilienthal.

"Such [lackadaisical] playing is unusual at this level. It shows that 
Fischer's mind doesn't have enough grease yet." - Leonxto Garcia

In other news, sources say that Fischer has asked for the help of 
Yugoslavian computer expert Andrija Kolundzic in guiding his strategy 
for the rest of the match.  Doctors are said to have put Bobby on a 
strict diet and ordered him to start walking and swimming to sharpen 
his play.  Fischer also asked that he and Spassky take their meals in 
separate restaurants on the island.

David Fry                                  fry@math.harvard.edu
Division of Applied Sciences               fry@huma1.bitnet
Harvard University                      ...!harvard!huma1!fry
Cambridge, MA  02138            

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Subject: Pronounciation follow-up to...
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:14:03 GMT

I screwed up the followup. It should be sci.lang, not sci.language; please
correct my mistake if you post followups to my followup to J.Coombs'
followup to...

	Sven

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: ed@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (edward.m.hummel)
Subject: Re: GAME 5??? WHEN????
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:28:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.211557.9860@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dweddin@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>when is game 5???? i thought they were going to play today.
>what's the deal?????
>anybody know?????? please post!!!!!!

They play on Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays.
From: Bruce_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Harper)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: F-S II Game 8 - 33.Qc3 -
Date: 15 Sep 92 05:12:41 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

While it may be a matter of semantics, missing 33.Qc3 is a mistake - you don't
have to be a computer to see the move, although you do have to be looking for
it.  I don't believe that players of Fischer and Spassky's caliber would miss a
defensive resource like that, except for time pressure and the stress of
playing a difficult game, which are factors with which Deep Thought doesn't
have to be concerned.

So no new category of move is required - very few moves are so difficult to
find that only a computer can find them, and I doubt that 33.Qc3 is one of
them.  The real question is whether a Kasparov, Karpov, Short or Timman would
have seen or allowed the move, and I suppose there's no answer to that.

And it's still unclear whether White is better after 33.Qc3 - it's definitely a
"computer type of position"!
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: palane@iastate.edu (Paul A. Lane)
Subject: Re: Cancel "Interesting endgame"
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:21:40 GMT

In <1992Sep14.190216.29275@alchemy.ithaca.ny.us> cpf@alchemy.TN.Cornell.EDU (Courtenay Footman) writes:

>At the request of Rod Malpert,  I am cancelling the article "Interesting
>endgame, GM Rohde-Malpert".  I am sorry that my first posting to
>rec.games.chess produced such controversy; that was not my intention.  I
>posted the article because it was an endgame that interested me, and
>thought would interest others.  I would never post one of my own games,
>owing to my (lack of) ability.  Someone a few weeks ago described their
>chess style as "blunder randomly";  mine is much more reliable:  it is
>"blunder continuously".  Thus I was happy to have a well played game to post
>to the net.

I'd like something to be clarified here. Did Rod Malpert object to one of
his games being posted and discussed or was it something that was said. If
the latter is the case, what is wrong should be made clear (and evidently
has not been).

However, I must disagree with any assertion that one must obtain permission
of both players before posting a game. This position would make it impossible
to even post your own games without the permission of your opponent. The game
score is not the property of those who played the game, anymore than the box
scores to the latest Yankees-Royals game (go K.C.!) are the property of major
league baseball.

If accepted, this would have a chilling effect on the discussion here as well
as in the various state and national chess magazines. As I didn't follow the
original thread, I do not know if something obnoxious was said.

>Obviously, something went wrong here, or I would not be apologizing for it.
>The really bad thing is that I am not sure exactly what I did that was wrong.
>I hope that it is not wrong to post other's games;   if I am incorrect, please
>tell me!  In any event, did I do something wrong, or was I just unlucky?  The
>net has more than enough controversy already, without me creating more
>inadvertently.

[Of course, if you wish to see a red face, look at the tournament where I 
dropped my queen in two successive games.]

Paul Lane ~1450

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: jhc@m2lll.uucp (James H. Coombs)
Subject: Re: Rohde-Malpert (more)
Reply-To: jhc@iris.brown.edu.UUCP (James H. Coombs)
Organization: IRIS - Brown University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:01:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.222241.27801@alchemy.ithaca.ny.us> cpf@alchemy.TN.Cornell.EDU (Courtenay Footman) writes:

>This is my (Rod Malpert's) response to Michael Rohde and Mark Ginsburg's 
>comments about my offering  Grandmaster  Rohde a draw in the last round of 

>As for my manner of offering the draw, Grandmaster Rohde was walking out of the
>tournament room to the hall where the water and tournament postings were.  I
>had just moved and met him at the water table and said, "I offer you a draw.  
>My under-2400 prize would be thrown into the pot."  He made a "hmm" sound 

Well, one part of the rule is MOP, right?  Move, offer, push (the
clock).  You don't mention the clock.  Did you move, push, and then go
offer a draw?  If you left your clock running, then I suppose that the
MOP specification would be satisfied.  I don't know about the rest of
it and am not even sure what you were offering---what is "the pot."
--Jim
From: elkies@ramanujan.harvard.edu (Noam Elkies)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: typo correction Re: Game 2 ending
Date: 7 Sep 92 16:22:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Sep7.122250.15438
Organization: Harvard Math Department

In article <1992Sep7.115548.15435@husc3.harvard.edu> I wrote:
>Hm.  It's a bit harder than I thought, but White still can't draw, because
>The last variation again bags the pawn but lands in a lost B vs. R position:
>63...Rb1 64.Kb5 Rb5 65.B- Ra5+ 66.Ka1 Ra8 67.Ka1 R:a3#.
             ^^^
Make that 64.K:a2.

--Noam D. Elkies (elkies@zariski.harvard.edu)
  Dept of Mathematics, Harvard University
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 12 Sep 1992 22:30:32 CDT
From: Howard Wachtel <U13054@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer's mom
 <1992Sep9.084542.15486@husc3.harvard.edu>

In article <1992Sep9.084542.15486@husc3.harvard.edu>, fry@zariski.harvard.edu
(David Fry) says:
>
>In article <1992Sep9.023218.14853@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
>writes:
>>bwatkins@nyx.cs.du.edu (The God of all machines) writes:
>>#
>>#Fischer is going off against jews only because he is one.  That makes
>>#it easy to blame his culture for everything.
>>
>>According to Judaism he is not, since his mother is non-Jewish. Anyone,
>>including Fischer, can however convert to Judaism (fat chance).
>
>Fischer's mother *is* Jewish.

   You say "is" instead of "was"--is his mother still alive?  If so, I
wonder if she's been interviewed recently or what she thinks of this
whole situation.
________________________________________________________________
Howard K. Wachtel              University of Illinois at Chicago
U13054@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU        Phone (312) 975-7970
From: fry@tara.harvard.edu (David Fry)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: F-S II, game 4 moves
Date: 6 Sep 92 20:53:42 GMT
Organization: Harvard Math Department


Next game Wednesday.

   Spassky Fischer
   (White) (Black)
   1. d4 d5
   2. c4 d5xc4
   3. Nf3 Nf6
   4. e3 e6
   5. Bxc4 c5
   6. 0-0 a6
   7. d4xc5 Qxd1
   8. Rxd1 Bxc5
   9. b3 Nbd7
   10. Bb2 b6
   11. Nc3 Bb7
   12. Rac1 Be7
   13. Nd4 Rc8
   14. f3 b5
   15. Be2 Bc5
   16. Kf1 Ke7
   17. e4 g5
   18. Nb1 g4
   19. Ba3 b4
   20. Rxc5 Nxc5
   21. Bxb4 Rhd8
   22. Na3 gxf3
   23. gxf3 Nfd7
   24. Nc4 Ba8
   25. Kf2 Rg8
   26. h4 Rc7
   27. Nc2 Rb8
   28. Ba3 h5
   29. Rg1 Kf6
   30. Ke3 a5
   31. Rg5 a4
   32. b4 Nb7
   33. b5 Nbc5
   34. Nd4 e5
   35. Nxe5 Nxe5
   36. Rf5+ Kg7
   37. Rxe5 Nxe4
   38. Bd3 Rc3
   39. Bb4 Rxd3+
   40. Kxd3 Nf6
   41. Bd6 Rc8
   42. Rg5+ Kh7
   43. Be5 Ne8
   44. Rxh5+ Kg6
   45. Rg5+ Kh7
   46. Bf4 f6
   47. Rf5 Kg6
   48. b6 Rd8
   49. Ra5 Bxf3
   50. h5+ resigns

   Final positions:
   White: h5, Bf4, Nd4, Kd3, a2, b6, Ra5
   Black: Rd8, Ne8, f6, a4, Kg6, Bf3


David Fry                                  fry@math.harvard.edu
Division of Applied Sciences               fry@huma1.bitnet
Harvard University                      ...!harvard!huma1!fry
Cambridge, MA  02138            
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: jpgraham@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John P Graham)
Subject: Re: complexity.....
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:50:08 GMT

In reference to the many postings giving very different estimates
as to the number of LEGAL chess positions :
There are 2x10E43 possible distinct legal positions in chess ..
according to Fox and James (Complete Chess Addict).
Also noteworthy is 2.5x10E116 possible 40 move games (sequences).

there it is .... John.
From: loon@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za (LOON M J)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: F/S
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:08:11 GMT
Organization: Wits Electrical Engineering (Undergrads).

Is anyone keeping copies of the games (and commentaries) of the F/S games? I 
missed all since game 2.

Thanking y'all kindly.
--
Marc Loon <loon@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za>
Student No: 8807871/X
Elec Eng. University of the Witwatersrand
Johannesburg

Conversation: a voice competition between two people
in which the one taking a breath is called the listener.
From: fry@zariski.harvard.edu (David Fry)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer press conference
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:45:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Sep9.084542.15486
Organization: Harvard Math Department

In article <1992Sep9.023218.14853@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
>bwatkins@nyx.cs.du.edu (The God of all machines) writes:
>#
>#Fischer is going off against jews only because he is one.  That makes
>#it easy to blame his culture for everything.
>
>According to Judaism he is not, since his mother is non-Jewish. Anyone,
>including Fischer, can however convert to Judaism (fat chance).

Fischer's mother *is* Jewish.  



David Fry                                  fry@math.harvard.edu
Division of Applied Sciences               fry@huma1.bitnet
Harvard University                      ...!harvard!huma1!fry
Cambridge, MA  02138            
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: mox@vpnet.chi.il.us (William Moxley)
Subject: F-2 II Game 5 Move List (Win for Spassky)
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 21:46:36 GMT

 
  Fischer  Spassky    Fischer   Spassky
  White     Black      White      Black
  1 e4      e5         11 Nbd2    Bb7
  2 Nf3     Nc6        12 Bc2     Re8
  3 Bb5     a6         13 Nf1     Bf8
  4 Ba4     Nf6        14 Ng3     g6
  5 0-0     Be7        15 Bg5     h6
  6 Re1     b5         16 Bd2     ed4
  7 Bb3     0-0        17 cd4     c5
  8 c3      d6         18 d5      Nb6
  9 h3      Nb8        19 Ba5     Nfd7
 10 d4      Nbd7
 
   Fischer  Spassky        Fischer   Spassky
 White     Black        White     Black
 20. b3     20.Bg7       30. Qg4   Nd5
 21. Rc1    Qf6          31. Ng5   hg5
 22. Rb1    b4           32. Qd7   Nb4
 23. Ne2    Qe7          33. Qb7   Nc2
 24. a3     ba3          34. Re4   a2
 25. Bc3    f5           35. Rf1   Nb4
 26. Bg7    Qg           36. Rg4   a1(Q)
 27. Nf4    fe4          37. Ra1   Qa1
 28. Nh4    g5           38. Kh2   Qg7
 29. Ne6    Qf6
 
   Fischer  Spassky
 White     Black
 39. Qf3   Qe5
 40. g3    Rf8
 41. Qg2   Qf6
 42. f4    Ra7
 43. Rg5   Rg7
 44. Rh5   Qe6
 45. g4    Rf4


Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: kbs4580@zeus.tamu.edu (SCHAUB, KEITH BRADLEY)
Subject: Fischer The God
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:01:00 GMT

	I have something to say. It is better to burn up than to fade away.
AnWhoever believes that Fischer can't play is obviously not mentally a
there. He hasn't played in match tournaments for nearly 20 years. And during
the first match with Spassky he kicked his butt. Spassky has been playing
tournament level chess forever. As a matter of fact they use him as a 
gate way into the world championship. If you can't beat Spassky then you
shouldn't and can't enter the world championship. 
	If anyone will recall. The USSR was changing the rules whenever and
however they wanted to in order to gain an advantage. That was obviously
visible when Karpov was the champion. He'd get sick whenever he was down.
Fischer really believed that if you drew a game that you should not get 1/2
a point. If this were the case, someone could win 1 match an d then draw the
rest and remain champion. What kind of crap is that. You should only be 
champion if you can beat the other guy, not if you can play as well or nearly
as well as the other guy.
	Though, I must admit Fischer did lose the 4th game, so now the score
is tied 1-1. If anyone has the moves for these games. I would be thankful.
Thanks for your attention.



Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: olesen@math.uiowa.edu (Martin Olesen)
Subject: Re: Scoring on the Fischer, Spassky game
Originator: olesen@maple.math.uiowa.edu
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:26:01 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA


In article <23670@alice.att.com>, ark@alice.att.com (Andrew Koenig) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep15.115737.13028@ifi.uio.no> sigurdg@ifi.uio.no (Sigurd Gl{rum) writes:
|> 
|> > From what I have heard Fischer demanded that he should win
|> > the match in case of a 9-9 tie, effectively giving him a
|> > 2 point advantage since Spasskij must score at least 10-8
|> > in order to win.
|> 
|> Not true -- the score can reach 10-9 without first reaching 9-9.
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^          



|> -- 
|> 				--Andrew Koenig
|> 				  ark@europa.att.com



      How do you propose this to happen when the match is terminated
     after a player reach 10 points (or at 9-9)?



                                       Martin Olesen
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: cat@wixer.cactus.org (Dr. Cat)
Subject: Correction to game 1 posting
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 22:08:08 GMT


   Made a transcription error in my posting of game one of the Fischer vs.
Spassky match.  I posted move 33 as "33. Ra7 Ra8", where it should have read
"33. Ra7 Kf6!?".  Sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused anyone.

       Dr. Cat
From: stank@perrault.net.com (Stan Knight)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Rite equation
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:48:15 GMT
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies



Can anyone provide me with an equation that converts FIDE rateings to USCF
equalivents? Math is no problem for me---I have a calulator!!

I thank you for your assistance

Stan Knight
My REAL e-mail address is: stank@herb.net.com
|Just wait till Bobby PROVES Spassky had a mistress. Oh wait, that's the |
|presidential campaign I'm thinking about. Never mind!                   |
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: abrodnik@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Andrej Brodnik (Andy))
Subject: Re: Prononciation Of Names
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:30:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.082131.117@ipact.com>, pals@ipact.com writes:
> In article <Bu9uv1.673.2@cs.cmu.edu>, nash+@cs.cmu.edu (Richard Nash) writes:
> 
> > Anyway, to get the ball rolling... 
> > I can't pronounce (or in some cases spell) these...
> > 
> > Pirc - I've always used PERK, but I am told it is PURSE. Which is right?
> 
> I remember reading it as "peertz".  

Yes, his name is pronounced like "peertz". He was a second Slovene GM.
The first one was Vidmar (pronounce "veedmar") also a famous inventor
in a field electrical transformes etc.

Regards,

Andrej
From: Bruce_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Harper)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: WHAT'S WITH BOBBY?!?!?!?!
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:13:18 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

In reply to the posting:


Moves with tempo losses like Be7-Bc5, b6-b5, Rc1-Rb1
Seem to be fawoured by F. This is to be chess of THE
NEXT GENERATION?


This is hardly the way to look at things.  In Game 4, Fischer had a very good
position, but blundered by allowing the exchange sacrifice.  It's silly to jump
to a conclusion that Fischer is losing tempos by moving his Bishop more than
once and taking two moves to get a Pawn to b5 rather than one - there;s more to
chess than that!

In Game 5, 21.Rc1 and 22.Rb1 were bad, but Fischer should have left the Rook at
a1 in the first place.  He says he missed 25...f5, and that's a bad sign,
because there wasn't much Black could play for.

The logic people are applying to all this is frightening.  In Game 1, Fischer
found a brilliant maneuver - Ng3-f1-d2-b1, which refuted Black's defense (yet
someone says Spassky "underestimated Fischer".  Perhaps Fischer's position, but
that's a different thing altogether).  In Game 5, Fischer again transferred the
Knight from g3 (23.Ne2), but the whole idea failed.  Sometimes an idea is good
in one position and bad in another.  How on earth can people be making these
general statements based on 5 games?

The answer to "what's wrong with Bobby" has to be found by looking at the
games.  It's ridiculous to come to any conclusion at this point, including that
Fischer's play has greatly deteriorated, or that Fischer is a fraud, or that he
couldn't beat Kasparov.  He's missed some things against a 2600 opponent and
he's been punished - and people are already writing him off!