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From:         George Frajkor <gfrajkor@CCS.CARLETON.CA>
Subject:      Life
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   Narodna Obroda (Aug.12, 1992) published an opinion poll on the
living standards of CSFR citizens:
    Roughly, 11 per cent think that their living standards are better
than in the past, 45 per cent said they are the same, and 44 per cent
said they are worse.
      Of slovaks, 56 per cent thought their conditions were worse.  Of
Czechs, 38 per cent.
      More than 25 per cent said their financial
 situation has worsened since the start of 1992.
This has influenced mostly their spending on recreation and on
big-investment durable consumer goods.
   More Slovaks than Czechs thought that the situation cannot be
controlled.
   Only 36 per cent of Czechs believe things will get better over
the next five years, and only 34 per cent of slovaks. A worsening is
expected by 26% of Czechs and 40 % of slovaks.  Considerable worsening
is expected by six per cent of Czechs and 14 % of Slovaks.
    The survey was conducted by the Institute for Public Opinion
Investigation in mid-July.

       The major areas which people thought had NOT changed were
  Health care 70%, housing 60%, and food 45%
          People thought they will be able to cope with
Overall family finances  48%; footwear and clothing 44% and basic
groceries 38%
        People thought they will not be able to cope with
Savings  32%; refrigerators and washing machines 32%, recreation 25%


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   Also from Narodna Obroda Aug.17, 1992:

Unemployment in the CSFR (Actually, a measure of people receiving
unemployment assistance) 1992


                                jan        mar     june

Czech Republic                    4,4      3,7      2,7
Slovak Republik                  12,7     12,3     11,3


     The downward trend, particularly in Slovakia, may be deceptive.
It reflects those who have been out of work so long that they no
longer qualify for unemployment benefits.
     The unemployment rate in the Czech republic is the lowest in all
of Europe.  Slovakia's is among the highest.  It is expected to go
higher because:

a. privatization iks proceeding and new owners are getting rid of
surplus workers.
b. a new bankruptcy law is being adopted (under Communism, bankruptcy
was impossible) and it is likely that many enterprises will now go
under.
  The state is willing to support only those enterprises whjich appear
to be willing to take aggressive measures to reform, and which have a
realistic chance to survive the market economy.
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   Thanks to Jan Szelepcsenyi for passing on this information.
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From:         lhdsy1!HOVMB.HOU281.CHEVRON.COM!TKMARC@UUNET.UU.NET
Subject:      Slovak national interests

>The peple like Feldek,Kusy,Hoffman are maybe not trying to hurt the Slovakia.
>But they allready did. I'm sorry, but I have no other expression for their
>work, than treachery of national interests.
>...
>But blind agrssive attacks, halftruth and lies of people you mentioned
>is nothing else than bad hidden hate to the state that is about to be born.
>
>Marian Kubaska

Marian:

Tell us, what are the national interests of Slovakia? In my
posting I used the term "living conditions," which to me includes
well-being in all aspect of life--economy, culture, politics, social
issues, etc. I believe this is an interest of all people. I also think
that these are the things people you mention consider to be the
national interests of Slovakia. (Can't speak for Kusy or Feldek as
I don't know them, but I feel pretty certain this is true for
Hoffman.) In this respect, I think it is the nationalists and the
populist of Slovakia (the Prokes's, Meciar's, etc) who are damaging
Slovak interests.

Also, I get goose bumps when I hear expressions like "treachery" in
this context. You know, Marian, treachery is a very serious crime,
in CSFR as well as everywhere else. This kind of talk comes from
the people ranging from ordinary citizens all the way to the government
officials. You people are surprised when the world wonders how
democratic independent Slovakia would be?

I can name dozens of journalist and politicians and other public figures
here in the US that I that we'd all be better off without. Often I wish
they'd shut up and disappear. But never would I call them "treachers."
I think it is in the national interests of Slovakia to learn this
lesson.

--Kamil Marcinka (Internet address: tkmarc@hovmb.ion.chevron.com)
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From:         Masek <usarmase@SAVBA.CS>
Subject:      Re: Czech lustrations
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:"positevely lustrated" means that somebody have cooperated with StB
(state security police).
Martin Masek
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From:         Adolf Ceska <aceska@CUE.BC.CA>
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>   Surely not, Henry.  It is about the same as National Socialist, the
> name of the party of EDUARD BENES, whom you may remember as the
> humanitarian democratic libeertarian who alsmost single-handedly
> invented the concept of ethnic cleansing, what with expelling one
> third of his country's people and confiscating all their property
> without compensation.  Also the man in charge of more political trials
> and hangings than any other president of the CSFR.  Surely you would
> not wish to compare Mr. Meciar to such great Czech statesmen.

>    Jan George Frajkor
>  School of Journalism                      _!_

Can somebody tell me, when was EDUARD BENES the president of CSFR ?

Adolf Ceska, Victoria, B.C., Canada
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The Observer writes:
> Accident? Or the beginning of the uncovering of Mes[Dciar's mask?...
  (On Dubcek's car accident)
Zuzana Bubilkova on Federal TV /CSFR had the same question yesterday
evening.
Martin Masek, Bratislava
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Hello,
  I am writing concerning a trip to Eastern Europe (Poland,
Czechoslovakia, Hungary, the Baltics, and St. Petersburg) that
I will be taking in late October. I am very much looking forward
to traveling through Eastern Europe and can hardily believe my
good fortune.
  My trip is not, however, a vacation. I will be there as a
representative of the Idrisi project based here at Clark
University in Worcester, MA, USA. We are a geographic information
systems (GIS) research and training group interested in assessing
status of GIS in Eastern Europe. GIS is a relatively new
technology that is gaining wide acceptance as a tool to query
and analyze environmental/spatial data. However, we are unaware
of the degree to which people in Eastern Europe might be interested
in GIS.
  During my stay I hope to meet with people interested in learning
about, developing, or just talking about GIS. Obviously, I am
also interested in supplying people with information about Idrisi,
the GIS software that is produced at Clark University. Idrisi is a
raster-based geographic analysis and image processing system
designed to provide professional level geographic research tools
on a low-cost, non-profit basis. Although we produce and
distribute Idrisi, we are also involved in other GIS projects such
as United Nations GIS training programs.
  If there is anyone reading this list who might be interested
in our project or who might be able to refer me to interested
parties, please do not hesitate to reply directly to me. I
would greatly appreciate any information that might make my trip
a success. Thanks in advance.
				Kevin St. Martin
				Clark Labs/Idrisi Project
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From:         George Frajkor <gfrajkor@CCS.CARLETON.CA>
Subject:      Re: Remarkable label
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              Kucera" at Aug 31, 92 7:27 pm

>
> >In it's Friday edition, "Wiesbadener Kurier" created an interesting label
> >for Vladimir Meciar's policy: "Social-Nationalism"!
> >
> >The Observer
>
> Sounds rather imaginative (and accurate). H.K.
>
   Surely not, Henry.  It is about the same as National Socialist, the
name of the party of EDUARD BENES, whom you may remember as the
humanitarian democratic libeertarian who alsmost single-handedly
invented the concept of ethnic cleansing, what with expelling one
third of his country's people and confiscating all their property
without compensation.  Also the man in charge of more political trials
and hangings than any other president of the CSFR.  Surely you would
not wish to compare Mr. Meciar to such great Czech statesmen.

    Jan George Frajkor
 School of Journalism                      _!_
 Carleton University,                     __!__
 Ottawa, Ontario                            !
 Canada K1S 5B6                             !
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:03:00 N
From:         FALK2399@DS0RUS54.BITNET
Subject:      Stalin's deportations of nations not a nationality problem ?

.......
>For Commuinists, there was no nationality problem, only
>a class warfare one which was clearly solved when Communist regimes
>took over in East Germany, Hungary, and everywhere else.
>  That is why there are hungarians in Slovakia today. Their end of it
.......
>It was not completed when the Communists halted it.  Your impression
>that it was a Commy idea probably comes from a recent article in
>Lidove Noviny, which is specializing these days in denying history.
>     Jan George Frajkor

Hallellujah, The teacher has spoken! But what a surprise to me! Stalin's
deportations  of Volga Germans or Crimea Tartars or elimination of Don Cossacs
shouldn't be any nationality problem, at least not for Stalin! However The
teacher may use all his power to convince us that Stalin wasn't a communist and
hadn't had any influence on what happened in Czechoslovakia (The teacher calls
it CSFR) after the end of the WWII. It occurs, not just Lidove noviny may be
specializing in denying history these days!?

But to be more serious again: Is there really any point in reading and
responding such pathetic lectures other than our christian duty of visiting
and assisting a seriously ill person whose fierce agression obviously needs
a regular exhibition of an ill-minded action? Unfortunately some people
are not accepting the Romans 12:21 " Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome
evil with good" just because they don't accept Mr. Havel who has repeatedly
reminded of it.

Regards,

M. Havranek, Stuttgart, FRG
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From:         Grzegorz Wapinski <ekogw@HALINA.UNIV.GDA.PL>
Subject:      Re: Czech lustrations
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>
> > >
> > > I just read in a Czech newspaper that somebody was "positively
> > > lustrated." What does it mean ?
> > >
> > > Adolf Ceska, Victoria, B.C., Canada
> > >
> >
> > It means that that person was not a officer of secret police or
> > was not a collaborator of secret police or was not a communist party
 official
> > or his files weren't found in secret police archives.
> > In other words - it means that this person was a subject to post-communist
> > "witch hunt" and didn't lose his civil rights.
> > --
>
> Does the last sentence imply that after the demise of the Nazi Reich we
> had a post-nazi "which hunt" ? If this would be the case than we should
> be  very concerned about the implications.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Francis R.Rysavy, Harrow, UK
>

Well, after all there is one small difference between Czecho-Slovakia 1992
and Germany. Some organizations in Germany were proclaimed as criminal.
This as far as I know caused sme legal problems - "lex retro non agit".
I am positvely convinced that some activities from the past should be
condemned, but it should be done very carefully.
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From:         Masek <usarmase@SAVBA.CS>
Subject:      Re: Czech lustrations
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>> >
>> > I just read in a Czech newspaper that somebody was "positively
>> > lustrated." What does it mean ?
>> >
>> > Adolf Ceska, Victoria, B.C., Canada
>> >
>>
>> It means that that person was not a officer of secret police or
>> was not a collaborator of secret police or was not a communist party official
>> or his files weren't found in secret police archives.
>> In other words - it means that this person was a subject to post-communist
>> "witch hunt" and didn't lose his civil rights.
>> --
>
>Does the last sentence imply that after the demise of the Nazi Reich we
>had a post-nazi "which hunt" ? If this would be the case than we should
>be  very concerned about the implications.
>
>Kind Regards
>Francis R.Rysavy, Harrow, UK


Again: "Positively lustrated" means that  person WAS a officer of
secret police or ......
     This  is connected  with  "LUSTRATION  LAW" directed  at the
removal of  StB officiers or  collaborators from state  services.
I think  that it  should be  useful law.  This law has short-term
duration - to 1996 and  can destroy negative connections. However
this law is ignored in lot of cases.
     One can wonder at the number and names of collaborators; for
example  (formerly)  near  friends  which  had  denounced. I know
examples when this denouncement was mutual!

Martin Masek,Bratislava
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From:         George Frajkor <gfrajkor@CCS.CARLETON.CA>
Subject:      Re: Stalin's deportations of nations not a nationality problem ?
              "FALK2399%DS0RUS54.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu" at Sep 3,
              92 1:03 pm

FALK2399%DS0RUS54.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
>
> .......
> >For Commuinists, there was no nationality problem, only
> >a class warfare one which was clearly solved when Communist regimes
> >took over in East Germany, Hungary, and everywhere else.
> >  That is why there are hungarians in Slovakia today. Their end of it
> .......
> >It was not completed when the Communists halted it.  Your impression
> >that it was a Commy idea probably comes from a recent article in
> >Lidove Noviny, which is specializing these days in denying history.
> >     Jan George Frajkor
>
>Hallellujah, The teacher has spoken! But what a surprise to me! Stalin's
>deportations  of Volga Germans or Crimea Tartars or elimination of Don Cossacs
>shouldn't be any nationality problem, at least not for Stalin!

           As far  as I know, Stalin was not the president of
Czechoslovakia.  In the absence of proof to the contrary, I will
continue to teach that.  We are discussing the expulsion of the minorities
from Czechoslovakia, not the relocation of people within the Soviet
Union.

> However The teacher may use all his power to convince us
> that Stalin wasn't a communist and
>hadn't had any influence on what happened in Czechoslovakia,

      If you could point out where I said this, I will be glad to
reply. Otherwise this is an example of setting up your own straw men
and knocking them down.  Why are YOU trying to convince us that that
Hitler was not a Nazi, for example?  Most history books say he was.


    Jan George Frajkor
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From:         "Jakub Roth. K8/DIC2. Tel. 1533" <jroth@DIC.K8.RT.BOSCH.DE>
Subject:      Re: Czech lustrations
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Mr. Wapinski:

I don't know of any "witch hunts" you're talking about in
Czechoslovakia.  Maybe it's so in Poland - I can't judge on that.

There have been isolated cases where the lustration law was abused for
political purposes but these form by no means a significant proportion
of the people lustrated.

Positively lustrated, as Mr. Ceska asked, means that the particular
person either signed a contract with the Secret Police (StB) or was
found in its databases. It has happened that people were listed in
the databases without their knowledge. Such cases are then subject
to intensive attention by the court.

A few months ago a complete listing of people who signed a contract
with the Secret Police was published by Mr. Cibulka in Prague. Again
I'd like to stress that people listed there SIGNED and therefore
were in ACTIVE and INTENTIONAL contact with the Secret Police.

--
                            Jakub Roth

               MIT, Boston             jroth@athena.mit.edu
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:04:00 -0700
From:         Adolf Ceska <aceska@CUE.BC.CA>
Subject:      Czech lustrations
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I just read in a Czech newspaper that somebody was "positively
lustrated." What does it mean ?

Adolf Ceska, Victoria, B.C., Canada
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Subject:      Responding to pathetic lectures

>But to be more serious again: Is there really any point in reading and
>responding such pathetic lectures other than our christian duty of visiting
>and assisting a seriously ill person whose fierce agression obviously needs
>a regular exhibition of an ill-minded action?
>
>M. Havranek, Stuttgart, FRG

Yes, for the benefit of other readers.

--Kamil Marcinka (Internet address: tkmarc@hovmb.ion.chevron.com)
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From:         Henry Kucera <HENRY@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Transfer

 G. Frajkor, regarding Benes's success in expelling Germans:

>             I stand by my original posting.  Kucera should now find
>references to support his position.
>

No need, you just did it for me. As I said, Benes must have been a political
genius convicing all those big powers to play his game.

>> >Give credit to the Communists -- once they came to power in the
>> >CSFR (or whatever its name was then) they actually halted the
>> >deportations.
>>
>> The Communists came to absolute power in February 1948. All the Germans were
>> gone by then.
>
>
>       Glad you noticed Henry.  That was my point... that the Czechs
>acted swiftly and brutally so that by the time the Communists took
>power and halted the deportations, the Germans were gone but the
>Hungarians remained in Slovakia.

 How is that again? I thought you said (supra) that the Communists halted the
deportations. I gather you wanted them to deport the Hungarians as well?
Swiftly and brutally? Just like the Slovaks did to Jews in WW2? You know, the
Germans (including the Sudeten ones) behaved atrociously towards the Czechs for
some six years. Perhaps the situation should have been handled differently.
However, the Jews did nothing to Messrs. Tiso, Tuka and Co. except for their
race. It would not be an issue if--as Mr. Marcinka so well said--the Slovak
state 1939-45 were not so readily defended or even idealized by nationalist
Slovaks even today. Unfortunately, it is.
>>
>> >It was not completed when the Communists halted it.  Your impression
>> >that it was a Commy idea probably comes from a recent article in
>> >Lidove Noviny, which is specializing these days in denying history.
>>
>>   The man can read our mind!
>
>         Yes.
>
>
>
>    Jan George Frajkor

  All the other people who thought they could read minds are now in the care
of various physicians.

Well, enough is enough. I'll tune back in after Meciar's coronation.

H.K.
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From:         Henry Kucera <HENRY@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Remarkable label

>In it's Friday edition, "Wiesbadener Kurier" created an interesting label
>for Vladimir Meciar's policy: "Social-Nationalism"!
>
>The Observer

Sounds rather imaginative (and accurate). H.K.
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