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From: sieh@panix.com (Lui Sieh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Sex, Power and the Decline of the White American Male [LONG]
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:22:37 GMT
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Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Oct7.015024.3554@ichips.intel.com> 
sedayao@chopin.intel.com writes:
>[whole lot of stuff deleted]
>This remains to be seen.  Color remains a large factor.  How many people
>on this newsgroup have said that no matter how far away from Asian
>culture they are that they are still treated as foreigners?  Also, whites 
>will not be a majority in many areas.  A few years after 2000, there will not
>be an ethnic majority in California.  I remember reading in TIME that if
>current trends continue, whites will not be the majority in the U.S. by
>around 2070.  What will assimilation mean then?

A lot of people's perceptions of what American society is and means is very
much colored by where they live.  Certainly the trend in major metropolitan
areas and along the West Coast and parts of the East Coast, is more ethnic
diversity.

This is not happening in the area in which historically and traditionally,
America has been defined.  Even now, America is still being defined by the
geographical entity called the Midwest, aka "The Heartland of America".
Not a whole lot of ethnic diversity there.  So, depending on where one lives,
the question of "What will assimilation mean?" will vary greatly.  While I
believe that the idea of the Midwest as being the soul of America is antiquated
it is a metaphor that still holds a lot of power among many people.

Twinkie Chinkie
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From: ching@vsattui.llnl.gov (David Ching)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Movie Ratings Ballot 10/92
Keywords: Movie Review
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:51:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science, at LLNL

In article <DFSRB156@cc.swarthmore.edu> clee2@cc.swarthmore.edu (Clifford Suk Jae Lee) writes:
>> 	sedayao@chopin.intel.com (Jeff Sedayao) :
>> 	> 1.  "Living on Tokyo Time" - I really like this movie, but 
>> 	> there are others who really hate it.
>> 
>> I saw this one on video a long time ago but I remember it as being
>> a little unreal. I mean the girl didn't speak much so it was a little
>> hard to understand her actions.
>
>Hard to understand her actions (just because she didn't speak much)?  I
>understood it pretty well.  I really do not know what you mean.
>

I expected a lot more than I got out of the movie.  I thought there
might be some of kind of AA theme in it, but I didn't see any.  Maybe
I'm just thick headed.  The major theme seemed to be that emotions
cannot be expressed by words alone.  One can try to learn a foreign
language, but that knowledge will not necessarily allow you to express
your feelings.  I got this impression about 3/4 into the movie.  After
that, it was all down hill.  I liked the many inside jokes, but I'm
disappointed in the picture as a whole.



dave

-- 
David Ching
"It's better to shut one's mouth and look dumb then open it and remove
all doubt."		-Mark Twain
I guess I've just removed all doubt ....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.japan
From: yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Subject: Re: Japan/US comparison
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:21:32 GMT

tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu () writes:
> ... deleted ...
>I eventually rose to manager in that company and was once talking to
>the President. He asked me what we should do about K-san, seeing as he
>was kind of slow and didn't produce much. (In this guy's case he
>really was underproductive.) It was true he was slow, but even though
>he gets no overtime other than extra consideration in bonuses. He
>wouldn't leave until the job was finished. And he never complained...
>Well, not in the way an American would. All he'd say is: "Tsukareta!!
>Mo^ tsukareta!!"  but even then he was smiling. One time he worked all
>day, all thru that night, all thru the next day until midnight, went
>home for two hours to take a shower and change clothes, and came back
>again immediately to finish a job. He took naps right there at the
>office. This isn't all that uncommon in Japan. I *ordered* him to go
>home and he wouldn't.  I *pleaded* with him to go home and he
>wouldn't. I told him we could extend the deadline by a day or two, but
>he would have no part of it. The job was finished on time with almost
>no noticeable loss of quality. I was impressed. And he didn't even
>demand overtime or threaten to quit or anything like that!
>Incredible.

What happened to K-san after this?  Would he have been fired if
he had worked for a US company?



Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: Ung-Ho Yi <ungyi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: martial arts
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:35:41 GMT
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hello,
i was wondering if any of you took martial arts in past or present
and how do you feel about it?

for me i took tak kwen do when i was in korea, actually i didn't like
it, especially when i get hit.  i did enjoy the motions of kicking and
punching, it looks graceful and nice.

well, when i came to u.s. a lot of kids ask me to show them how to kick,
 this was about 1976 and i was in junior high school, 
bruce lee was still popular at this time.  some times bigger kids would
ask me to spire(?) with them.  luckly, i was able to get out of most of
them, i was afraid to spire with the bigger kids, they might
beat the crap out of me, i got punched in the face  once during that
time.

after that i moved on to judo, i can't remember why?  i think it was because
my mom didn't want me to get into trouble hanging around street.
it was much less violent, but i still didn't like this,
because i was expected to be a  very good in judo, but actually i 
was just an average.

from my experience, the martial arts was no fun.  
however i think judo is ok.


yi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Genetic question misunderstood
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 00:17:57 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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In article <1992Oct11.030255.7807@ee.gatech.edu> Peter Wung, wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
writes:
>
>Does being easier to train mean smarter?  Or does resistance to being 
>subjugated show more intelligence?  I would argue that being trainable
>does not actually show a difference in intelligence but a difference
>in temperment.
>

And I would add to this argument by stating that "trainability" is a multi-
variable function.  With out getting into a dissertation about optimizing
multi-variable functions, let me just say optimizing one variable (let's
say "intelligence") may not be enough to maximize "trainability."  In
addition, a list of "variables" for "trainability" could include, yet not
be limited too:

     1. Intelligence
	 2. Temperment
	 3. Physical wellness
	 4. Enviromental distractions
	 5. Interest into what is being trained (implies: choice)

This list could go on and on . . . .

With out being entirely clear on what this thread original purpose was, let me
just say that the apparent "difference" in test scores in this nation between 
"racial" catagories probaly implies alot more than just straight intelligence 
differences.

Though I have a tough time buying the line that the test questions are racist,
I do agree that situation is not due to some genetic problem.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 11:36:52 EDT
From: <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Interesting (suprising?) Fact.
 <92282.183715SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu> <92282.202909SCW112@psuvm.psu.edu>

In article <92282.202909SCW112@psuvm.psu.edu>, <SCW112@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
>
>> Funny. Try to think it mutual way. All these date American may dislike date
>a
>> Chinese.
>
>Hey...I think when you're saying "American" here, you mean "Caucasian." Not
>to dis you or anything, but *I'm* an American, too..
>
>But I do see your points.  Just from my experience, almost ANY Asian female
>looks good to my Caucasian/African-American friends.  Just shows you what
>stereotypes in media and movies can do.
>
>Steve Wei

  Yep, I am not trying to deny you are American. It's maybe a trend for AF
 to have a CM boyfriend. But my point is Culture is More important Than Race.
  However I do observe that the case of any romantic relation between Asian
  students and Asian American is rare though both group are not small in size
  on many campus. If James' Green Card theory is correct, Asian American
  should have more advantage over CMs, unless there is some inside reason
  from AAM's side.  -)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: jkchan@lynx.cat.syr.edu (J. K. Chan)
Subject: Rent in San Fran
Organization: Syracuse University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 23:58:33 EDT


I am going to move to San Fran., CA in a month or so.  Could someone
tell me which area is comparatively safe and inexpensive to live over there?  
Especially in or near Hercules which is northeast to Richmond.
Any advice or suggestion is appreciated.
  
Please send email to the above address.
Thanks.
-Jim 

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From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Calling Dr. Nordstrom ...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Have no need to fear ... was Re: Freedom of Speech
Date: 8 Oct 1992 16:54:39 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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Keywords: underdog


	underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) :
	> Ms. Chin-ning Chu, who is widely respected by Westerners-cu for her
	> understanding of the Chinese-cu mindgame, asserted quite explicitly
	> that "whipping with a belt" or equivalent is everyday ordinary
	> behavior in Chinese-cu society.

I'll reserve judgement until I've read her book. I was in the bookstore
the other day looking in the biographies section but I couldn't find it.
I may just need to go to other bookstores but am I looking in the right
section? Or would it be categorized under another section?

	Thanks,
	
	  Melinda
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:37:15 EDT
From: <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Interesting (suprising?) Fact.

In article <Oct.8.13.51.51.1992.1703@soliton.rutgers.edu>,
zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang) says:
>
>I am not sure if it is appropriate to post this here, but I'll give it
>a try. I am from mainland China and I know a lot of people from mainland
>China and Taiwan. Naturally mainland Chinese and Taiwanese date americans
>when they are here. Now the interesting part, usually the girls who can
>get chinese dates don't date Americans. Most of the times, only those
>who cannot date Chinese or Taiwanese date Americans. No offense to anyone
>here, just my observation.
>ZZZ

  Funny. Try to think it mutual way. All these who date American may dislike
 date a Chinese.  There is a culture difference exist. I remembered a Chinese
 girl who was attractive to a lots of American guys. Many of my american
 friends told me that she was cute. However, all of my Chinese friends think
 she is just so so.

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From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:29:26 GMT

In article 67389@cup.portal.com, Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com () writes:
>|
>|It's too bad more Asians don't go into Law. I think this whole bit that
>|Asians aren't any good at it because of English is a load of crap. Most
>|of it is logic, or twisting logic, like fuzzy math. I think that if Asians
>|attacked it like they attack engineering, the Asians could give the Jews
>|a run for their money in the too-many-lawyers department. Asians are now
>|3-4% of law school students, equal to the population, and growing fast.
>|I would have made a great lawyer, but now I'm just a very good software
>|engineer. My verbal SAT was "only" 650 vs. my 720 math, and I did't even
>|go to a particularly good high school where they use big vocabularies.
>|
>|So I went to MIT. BTW, MIT is in the top 20 feeders for law schools for 
>|Asians, but not for any other racial group.

I don't know, I would not want to see any more scumbags out there living off of the 
lives of productive people.  Interesting fact:  the US has 4% of the world's
population, 18% of the world's wealth ( No, I don't know where they got that.)
and 50 % of the world's lawyers.  Hmmmmmmm.

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 12:47:20 EDT
From: <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Discourse on Race in Modern China
 <8161@public.BTR.COM>

In article <8161@public.BTR.COM>, timlee@public.btr.com says:
>
>Actually, one incident that managed to hit the news here (USA) was that
>some male black African students studying at a university in China
>were found to be dating local Chinese women.  The result was a large
>protest against the students, including signs that translated to mean
>"beat the black ghosts" (or something like that).  This was a few

 I don't know you read whoese lips, but I didn't see the sign. I hope
 it's not made by CNN or ABC -). The incident happened suddently
 that I didn't see any reportor was there.

>years ago, perhaps a bit before the Tiananmen incident.

 It's fall, 1987.
>
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.usa
From: watanabe@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Subject: Re: Blame that Asian!
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:17:32 GMT

rap@news (Ross Paterson) writes:

>From article <Bvw4y3.Lo3@acsu.buffalo.edu>, by dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei):
>> [...] even if the Germans and Russians did have contacts with
>> the Huns/Mongols, why should that be an insult? Is it a disgrace to come into
>> contact with two of the most successful conquerers of the ancient world?
>> Why should the Huns/Mongols be viewed as barbarians while it is obvious
>> that their battle strategies were much superior to that of their opponents'?

>Because they really were barbarians.  The main improvements they
>brought to battle strategies were in the techniques of terror, like the
>Mongol practice of slaughtering all the inhabitants of a city unless it
>surrendered without any resistance at all.  Just the sort of name to smear
>one's enemies with in war-time propaganda.

>Ross

I agree with most of what Ross says, but it is not true that the
main improvements that the Mongols brought to battle were the
techniques of terror. They were much better at military communications,
and mass maneuvers than Europeans. Although terror helped them win
victory without battles, it probably inspired their enemies to 
fight even harder when they DID enter battle (Wouldn't you, if you
knew that losing meant that EVERYONE you knew would be killed).

The Mongols were also better at tactics and strategy. Contrary to
popular belief, they did not win all their victories through numerical
superiority; often they defeated numerically superior opponents.

As well, I think it is hard to say if they were really more barbaric
than the people they fought. As I mentioned in an earlier post,
their rationale for slaughtering all the inhabitants of a city
is similar to the rationale behind the use of the atomic bomb
(which also, needless to say, slaughtered all the inhabitants
of a city, and did inspire Japane to surrender without
any resistance at all).

-Larry Watanabe
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: paulko@wolf.cs.washington.edu (Paul Ko)
Subject: Re: Discourse on Race in Modern China
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering Dept., Univ. of Washington, Seattle
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 19:16:59 GMT

Mark Green (mark@cs.UAlberta.CA) wrote:
: In article <Bw4zuK.A7F@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
: >In article <1992Oct14.152915.25211@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
: >>Have you lived in China?  I have and was a racial minority there and felt
: >>the sting of prejudice.  Many people assumed I was a dumb tourist
: >>and wouldn't understand what they were saying behind my back.
: >
: >Sure I've lived in China.. I was born there and I've lived there long enough
: >to speak the language fluently.. As for racism, I didn't see a thing, and
: >I lived in MANCHURIA-a region that was traditionally never fully under
: >Han control.. As a matter of fact, I'm partly Manchu myself
: >
: 
: Of course you didn't see any racism, you're chinese.  There is no
: racism against chinese in China, but this is definitely not the case for
: non-chinese people.  Your statement about no racism in China is the
: same as a white person in North America saying there is no racism in
: North America, you are just not in a position to experience it.  

Ok, I agree with this much.

: A member of the majority race is very rarely in a position to experience racism
: in their own country, so they often think it doesn't exist.

Really? Is Edmonton really that racially homogenous?

I live in Seattle and I experience racism on a regular basis. Whether it's an African
American lady who gives me the "don't want anything to do with white people" look or
an angry Asian American who gives me the "white people don't have any right to speak
Asian languages" look, I think that this is racism.

In North American there this general attitude that racism can only be something that
extends from "white" people to "non-white" people. This is garbage. Racism comes in
all colors, and affects all people.

Nonetheless, racial minorities in America, being minorities, feel the sting of racism
a lot more, and it has much more impact on their lives. However, to say that there is no
racism against "white" people in America is ignorance. Furthermore, to say that racism
is something inherent only to "white" people is in itself racism. 


(Read my message twice before flaming. You might not get it the first time.)


Paul Ko.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Tibet Film Series (Re: Discourse on Race in Modern China)
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 00:10:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.152915.25211@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM
(Richard Ottolini) writes:
>...
>Have you lived in China?  I have and was a racial minority there and felt
>the sting of prejudice.  Many people assumed I was a dumb tourist
>and wouldn't understand what they were saying behind my back.
>Racism is very high there, particularly for dark skinned people.
>...

That reminds me.

I don't normally do a plug, but this issue deserves one.
If you are in the Stanford area, you can attend the Tibet Film
Series; a new film is shown at 7:30 p.m. each week at the
Bechtel International Center.  If anyone is really interested,
I could double check the time.

By the way, this issue should be important to all Asian-Americans
since Asian-Americans are Americans and have an interest in
opposing oppression committed against an un-armed people.  In this
case, the Chinese are committing brutal oppression against the
Tibetans.

Interestingly, 2 or 3 posts have been submitted in the past 7 months
(by Chinese) calling for remembering Nanjing and Tenanmon; further,
those posts were sent to s.c.a.a. even though no effort was made to
show how those issues tie in with the _AMERICAN_ newsgroup s.c.a.a.
Of course, the Chinese are strangely silent about Tibet on this news
group.  I wonder why ...

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From: yuan1@husc9.harvard.edu (Nina Yuan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Mr. Baseball - More Japan Bashing?
Date: 10 Oct 92 02:44:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc9.yuan1.718685083

gwu@tcsi.tcs.com (George Wu) writes:

>     For you ladies out there, Tom Selleck stars, so you may want to see it
>anyways.  :-)  (Hey, if I went to see Selleck's first movie because of model
>Paulina Porzikova (sp.), then . . .)

Cough, cough.  No comment.  I saw the trailer for this film a few weeks
ago, and just cringed though the entire thing.  Ugh.  I would like to know
if the movie rises above its gimmick, though I sort of doubt it.

-nhy

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