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From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: tanning
Date: 22 Jan 93 11:30:58
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
Distribution: usa
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In-reply-to: pmmst8+@pitt.edu's message of 22 Jan 93 04:35:46 GMT

pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
| (Kent L. Shephard) writes:

|>As an AfAm male I can assure you that mose AfAm know that we can and do get
|>darker from sun exposure.  It takes quite a bit of being out in the sun for me
|>to even slightly tan.   The darker a person is the longer it takes them to get
|>even darker or burn.  In all my 30 years I have never had a sunburn and have
|>never had my skin peel from being in the sun.
|>-- 

|As an African male, I have never heard of the above in Africans, though some
|such as my young sister are light skinned (a randomly occuring phenomena in
|Africa). All Africans I know do not change with the sun and have never ever
|heard of sun burn....

Even my dark-skinned brother tans (although its very very subtle and
almost unnoticable by any but the most observant).  I tan but it takes
six or seven hours a day underneath a hot sun in the middle of summer
for four or five days before you might notice it and even then most
folks wouldn't.

Not that this means anything.

--
Peace.
"Let me give you a word on the philosophy of reforms.  The whole history of
 the progress of human liberty shows that all concessions yet made to her
 august claims have been born of struggle...If there is no struggle, there
 is no progress.  Those who profess to  favor freedom and yet deprecate
 agitation, are men who want crops without plowing the ground.  They want
 rain without thunder and lightning.  They want the ocean without the
 awful roar of its many waters.  The struggle may be a moral one; or it may
 be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical, but it must be a
 struggle.  Power concedes nothing without a demand.  It never did and never
 will."
                           Frederick Douglass
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan)
Subject: Re: Racists oppose Afro-Cuban appointee to State Dept.
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: Mario Baeza, Assistant Secretary of State for Latin-American Affairs
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:43:13 GMT

In article <frankp.728164978@galena> frankp@galena.bellcore.com (Frank Perez) writes:
>kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (The Wise Man from the East) writes:
>
>>In article <moJ1XB1w165w@netlink.cts.com> galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross) writes:
>>>kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (The Wise Man from the East) writes:
>>>
>>>> In article <084yXB1w165w@netlink.cts.com> galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross) 
>
>>>In a nation [Cuba] whose population is 60 percent black....
>
>This is incorrect. According to page 581 of the 1992 Britannica World Data 
>Book, the ethnic composition of Cuba is as follows:
>
>   white 66.0%
>   mixed (mulatto) 21.9%
>   black 12.0%

I'm no expert, but I think racial definitions are kind of fuzzy in Cuba and
other countries in that region (or at least are not similar to US).  I was
told by several Cubans (who I assumed were black) that there was no racial
prejudice in Cuba. I was suitably impressed until I realized that they
were white by Cuban standards (or at least considered themselves so).  I 
was then confused about whether to believe their denial of prejudice.  (A
lot of white people in the US deny that prejudice exists, but it doesn't
mean much.)  As a matter of fact, I kind of got the feeling that race was
defined as follows:

  white = me and everyone lighter than me.
  black = anyone darker than me.

At any rate, the whole thing was too complicated for me to understand.

Barbara Vaughan

From: patm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Pat Murphy)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:33:51 GMT
Subject: Re: Thurgood Marshall died on Sunday
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american

 (Dawn Vance) writes:

> We've lost a true hero. Clarence Thomas is what we're left with!!?? 
> 
	agreed... thurgood was a true hero and an excellent role
	model for people of all races.  i assume your comment w.r.t.
	clarence is that he is seen as more conservative than
	what you would have liked...  i posit that we still have
	justice souter.  finally, we have a justice who will not
	overturn warren, brennan & marshall's work through the
	sixties and early seventies at the flick of the pen.  souter
	& o'connor have firmly taken hold of the court's middle
	and have done an admble job.  hopefully, we will see one
	or two justices retire during clinton's tenure so that the
	balance that was severely tested by reagan/bush will be
	replaced...  it still looks bleak at the circuit courts,
	though (apparently, reagan/bush appointed approx. 30% of
	the current sitting justices in the trenches-- were the
	law truly affects the people!


> - Dawn  
> 
> I wish Thurgood could've held on to his seat until the new administration 
> came in.

	maybe so, but i don't think clarence thomas will turn out
	to be the bum everyone has suggested--  so far his opinions
	have been well-reasoned (here's hoping he continues to
	hire brilliant clerks!!)


peace out,
pjm.
From: dawn@umiacs.umd.edu (Dawn Vance)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Thurgood Marshall died on Sunday
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:17:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742

We've lost a true hero. Clarence Thomas is what we're left with!!?? 

- Dawn  

I wish Thurgood could've held on to his seat until the new administration 
came in.
From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Statistics
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:51:29 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

In article <38292@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A.
Johns) writes:
>An article in today's Gainesville Sun has some interesting statistics
>taken from recent Gallup Polls.  The article itself is by Lawrence
>Harrison, billed as author of "Who Prospers? How Cultural Values Shape
>Economic and Political Sucess", and was originally published in the
>Washington Post.
>
>Anyway, on to the poll results.  Everything that follows is exerpted
>from the article.
>
>David
>
>===================================================================
>
>        In 1963, 45 percent of whites polled stated that they either
>        would definitely move or might move if black people moved next
>        door.  In 1990, the total of whites who would consider moving
>        was 5 percent.  Ninety-three percent stated flatly that they
>        would not move.
>        Twenty-five years ago, the highschool dropout rate for blacks
>        was 27 percent, 15 percent for whites.  Today the rate is 14
>        percent for blacks and 12 percent for whites, and the black
>        female dropout rate has fallen below that of white males.
>
>        To the Gallup Poll question, "Have you ever been a victim of
>        discrimination in getting an education, a job, a promotion,
>        housing?" 63 percent of blacks responded, "No", while 36
>        percent responded, "Yes."  Interestingly, 21 percent of whites
>        also said, "Yes."
>
>=====================================================================
>
These are very interesting statistics, I wonder who they asked these questions
to? I wonder how these statitics relate to America's population? I wonder if
they are true.

Peace, :-)
Chad J Glover
glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu   or   glovercj@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu 
Drexel University Software Testing Lab
"Give a Man a Fish, you Feed him for a Day,
Teach a man to Fish, you Feed him for a Lifetime."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: spiff@math.wayne.edu (Jason Leigh)
Subject: Controversial Freedom Game for grade schoolers.
Organization: Wayne State University Math Department, Detroit
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:15:48 GMT

Hi,
	I accidentally tuned into the middle of Entertainment Tonight
today (1/22/93) and caught the last part of a segment on a
controversal educational game that was used in a number of grade
schools. The game is called the Freedom Game and it looked like it ran
on Macs, and Apple II's.  Evidently the game allows players to
re-enact what it was like to be an African slave during the slave
trade in America.  In this game if you got caught running away you
would be chained and then taken back to the master to be whipped- this
seemed to disturb a number of parents.  Some of the children who used
it had problems understanding the african-english dialect used
throughout the game.

Has anyone heard or seen anything about this game or know of the
publisher who produced it?  Evidently the publisher has requested that
schools return the software and destroy any copies that may have
already been sold.

Jason Leigh
spiff@bert.eecs.uic.edu




Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski)
Subject: Re: What History & His Burden to AfAM
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 23:04:02 GMT

Chad Glover writes:

>Stefan, ...
>                                                              I am not a
>racist. I am a African-American that is tired of sitting back watching my
>people constantly being treated like Animals, and you'll NEVER understand that.

Chad,
I understand completely, and could not possibly object.
What shocked me, and made me come down so hard, was something very
different. If you would re-read your original article, you will find 
that it VERY EXPLICITLY advanced the folowing proposition:

      Because of past and present racist acts by whites, 
      black perpetrators of hate crimes should not be prosecuted.

I found this proposition to be offensive, racist and wrong.

Stefan
From: barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Unlike Crisco, your last post was not 100% digestible
Date: 24 Jan 93 15:15:55 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) wrote:
:.
:Furthermore, let me make it clear.  I do not subscribe to
:Farrakhanism, the worst excesses of Public Enemy (who despite
:_right_ politics have problems with both Jews AND women for
:starters), or any of that clack.  I do not condone the murder of
:that Australian Jew, whose supposed attacker, a young brother,
:recently got off in New York.  I think of some of this stuff that
:the black community is facing is understandable.  They see whites
:getting off for crimes, so they are on the jury and they let
:brotherman off.  Two wrongs, in this case, in revenge for a Jewish
:resident of Crown Heights running over a black child, dont make it
:right.

Whoa whoa whoa.  

Gabrielle, put down that whip.  Yankel Rosenbaum had a "supposed
attacker" but the "running over" was a sure thing?  Am I hearing
this correctly?  That you're more sure the running over was a
crime than that Rosenbaum's killing was?

Or have I misjudged the tone of this letter?  (Kind of like mis-
judging the impact of a coconut dropped on your head.)

A Concerned Friend
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Thurgood Marshall died on Sunday
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:12:59 GMT

In article <C1JB44.4vv@panix.com> lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) writes:
>In <13060079@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> patm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Pat Murphy) writes:
>
>>	maybe so, but i don't think clarence thomas will turn out
>>	to be the bum everyone has suggested--  so far his opinions
>>	have been well-reasoned (here's hoping he continues to
>>	hire brilliant clerks!!)
>
>
>Name one.

David Bernstein?

(Oh, you meant opinions, not clerks...)
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: The White Man's Burden.
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:13:23 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

In article <C16GEq.D59@panix.com> lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) writes:
>>Africa had and still have many technologies, albeit they have either been
>>stolen
>
>How can you "steal" technology?  All you can do is copy it.  Yet there
>absolutely no evidence of industrialization in Africa in pre-colonial
>times.  So whatever was stolen, it certainly wasn't the technology
>which Europe used to rule the world.

No evidence of industrialization in Africa, what are the Pyramids? These are
the only Great wonders of the world that are still standing. Read "Stolen
Legacy" by George G.M. James, it thoroughly describes everything.
>But there's another law you forgot.  Once in place, technology always
>has unexpected consequences.
>larry kolodney:(lkk@panix.com) 

Yes, technology always has unexpected consequences, but blatant disrespect of
the expected consequences is what really causes problems(eg. Air Pollution,
Transportaion, etc..).

Peace, :-)
Chad J Glover
glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu   or   glovercj@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu 
Drexel University Software Testing Lab
"Give a Man a Fish, you Feed him for a Day,
Teach a man to Fish, you Feed him for a Lifetime."
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:14292 ca.politics:10647
From: rlm@surfcty.com (Robert McMillin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,ca.politics
Subject: Re: WE're Beatrice
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 19:03:44 PST
Distribution: ca
Organization: Surf City Software, Orange, Calfornia - DUDE!

Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:

> I've just heard radio clips that the head of Beatrice was a Black American.
> I never knew that, and I still haven't seen coverage in the newspapers
> here. Anybody got the full story, and like Rush LImbaugh says, how come
> young blacks don't ever hear about this guy, only the tough guys in the
> hoods. Sounds like this guy had the right ticket to fortune and riches,
> not the losers that told NPR that they sold drugs because "the money's good",
> admitted "yeah, it kinda destroys the race, but that's not my problem",

My question: why is it STILL assumed, by both blacks and everyone else,
that the behavior of aberrant and brutal individuals implies that all
people who look the same will also behave the same?  Collective guilt
is a silly notion; it's the motivation behind affirmative action AND
the unfortunate comments made by blacks that end in the phrase, "... and
the whole race."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.discrimination
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american

 (Ted Frank) writes:
> 
> My law school roommates watch a disproportionate number of legal dramas,
> and I can't help but notice how (1) the majority of judges on these shows
> are black, and (2) the majority of the black judges are women.  It's
> pretty astonishing, once you start looking for it.  There was a black woman
> judge in the Brenda Starr comic strip the other day.  In the movie version
> of "Bonfire of the Vanities," they had Morgan Freeman play the role of
> the crusty Jewish judge, which completely screwed up the point about
> racial tensions Wolfe wanted to make by having Judge Kowalski be white.
> 
> Of course, in these cases it's just tokenism, because the shows in question
> are almost completely white, but I find it amusing how much of a cliche'
> it is becoming.  

	not to mention the number of black police chiefs and/or
	captains ;-)


happy motoring,
pjm.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: NLNS: African-American Voting Dilemmas
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:52:20 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

As quoted from <1993Jan22.005054.7139@oracle.us.oracle.com> by mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman):

> I think the recent flap over MIM and misc.activism.progressive clearly
> demonstrates that misc.activism.progressive has become exactly what we
> were told it would not be - a megaphone for Harel to promulgate views
> he agrees with while muffling those he disagrees with.

And what did you EXPECT?  That's the sine qua non of the hard left and hard
right.  It's about as surprising and inciteful as saying, "Damn, carp are
fish, who would have thought...?"


-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------  
"Read my lips, no new Haitians.  Ack!" - Bill the Prez
------------------------------------------------------------------ 
Christopher Morton
From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Am I being oversensitive?
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:16:06 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <93013.090028KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>, KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>   I do not believe that white people are inherently racist.  I do believe that
> most people have racist thoughts.  But I refuse to swallow my pride in my
> people for the sake of a friendship, unless of course I am wrong.  I am curious
> as to your responses as I respect the opinion of some of the people on this
> network.  Thanks.
> Kevin

I don't think you over-reacted, and if those guys are really your friends then
they would listen to your side of the story.  I get sick of the sort of
comments people make. "you must play cricket really well.." (the English
equivalent of a good b-ball player) "you must hang out on the beach in Jamaica
all the time".. (as if we don't work or go to school) and the one which really
gets me "have any marijuana?".  I usually go mental, and give them the half
hour lecture.

Folks must learn it is *not* okay to repeat these stupid stereotypes.  It's not
far removed from the "blacks have no brains" stereotype.

Ciao
Mc Bean
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: dem2@pyuxd.uucp (Me)
Subject: Re: Masons
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 20:36:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.221430.21840@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu> 
johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (Art Johnson) writes:

>     So what degree Mason is Bill Clinton? Al Gore? George Bush? 

Actually, George Bush is a member of Skull & Bones, which is a 
secret society similar in flavor to the Masons.

On the historical tip: as per usual with social/fraternal organizations
in this country, Black and white masons have separate lodges and until
recently didn't recognize each other's "brotherhood". Masonry had a 
fairly strong following among the so-called Black elite and upper middle
class earlier this century (including DuBois and other "talented 10ths").
Its influence doesn't seem to be as strong today (or if you believe
Steve Cokely, something called the "Boulez" has taken over). 
My grandfather was a 32nd degree mason -- I recently came across his
files buried in my mother's basement. I can't report what they said
because members are sworn to secrecy and betrayal is punishable by
death (even though I'm not a member I figure the punishment is likely
to be the same). I will say this much: it appears that they follow an
unconventional view of Christianity thats heavily inspired by Essene
and Gnostic gospels, which may be why they are often labeled as a cult
by conventional Christians.
	Darryle
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller)
Subject: Re: The White Man's Burden.
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:55:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.191323.21866@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> glovercj@duvm.ocs.dre
xel.edu writes:

>No evidence of industrialization in Africa, what are the Pyramids? These are
>the only Great wonders of the world that are still standing. Read "Stolen
>Legacy" by George G.M. James, it thoroughly describes everything.

>Chad J Glover
nowadays to an "advanced" kind of social organization that depends on the
existence of a myriad of special tools, huge amounts of power, etc.: the
kinds of things, in short, that are purportedly taught at Mr. Glover's
institution.  The Pyramids were great works, as were the irrigation
system in ancient China, flush toilets in Crete, etc.  But industriali-
zation?  Try early 19th Century Britain.

Norman Miller


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: ekong@edison.usask.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Help: I need info. on San Francisco
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:04:25 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
NNTP-Posting-Host: edison.usask.ca

Hello,

	I am an African student at the University of Saskatchewan in Canada.

	I would be visiting San Fransisco from March 26 to April 2 , 1993,

	to attend the IEEE International Conference on Neural Networks. 

	The conference venue is : 

		San Francisco Hilton, One Hilton Square,
		333 O'Farrell Street.

	Please I need information on a relatively inexpensive and safe 

	hotel/hostel which is close to the conference venue.

	As I seldom log into this newsgroup, please contact me at either:

			ekong@edison.usask.ca

	or

			ekong@skyfox.usask.ca


	or

		Dept. of Electrical Engineering
		University of Saskatchewan
		Saskatoon, Canada S7N OWO


	Thank you in advance.

				Yours

				Donald Ekong Jr.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: mkaziz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (KHALED AZIZ)
Subject: Re: Origin of the name "Dhaka"
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:33:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.214038.28144@zip.eecs.umich.edu> bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya) writes:
>
>Does anyone know how the name "Dhaka" originated ?
>
>-Sayan.

I believe "Dhaka" was named after "Dhakeswari" temple.


-- 
     KHALED AZIZ               | "Money talks,
mkaziz@vela.acs.oakland.edu    |  But it can't sing and dance, 
mkaziz@argo.acs.oakland.edu    |  And it can't walk."
  			       |  	 	          -NEIL DIAMOND
From: cochrane@ae.agecon.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: SUMMER RESEARCH IN GAMBIA
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:09:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:MAILQUEUE-101.930125200706.384@a:351912584:000:1650
Nf-From: ae.agecon.wisc.edu!cochrane    Jan 25 18:09:00 1993


From: "Jeffrey A. Cochrane" <COCHRANE@ae.agecon.wisc.edu>
Reply-To: cochrane@ae.agecon.wisc.edu
Subject: SUMMER RESEARCH IN GAMBIA

I have info on a project requiring research assistance in Gambia from
roughly May 1 to August 1 of 1993.  Please note that I am not doing the
hiring, but am happy to refer interested parties.  Please e-mail
me directly at cochrane@igc.org.

Strong preference will be for applicants from the University of
Wisconsin, but others may be considered (which is why I'm posting this
notice here).  I believe some follow-up analysis may be desirable, to
take place in Wisconsin.

The ideal candidate is probably a masters or Ph.D. student in
the social sciences, preferably a field of economics, looking for
field experience.  The candidate should have knowledge of SPSS, or be
handy with computers and able to learn quickly.

The research has to do with the structure of the market for
horticultural crops and land around the capital, Banjul.  The assistant
would probably conduct structured informant interviews to develop a
sophisticated description of the market structure.  A small statistical
survey on land prices may also be involved.

Please e-mail me directly for further details.
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