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From: cs169093@cs.brown.edu (Yong Liu)
Subject: Help with HanZhi Software on Sun-Sparc-Station
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:26:42 GMT

Can somebody tell me about how I can I get free software 
about HanZhi System on Sun-Sparc-Station under Xwindow 
enviroment? (shell, editor, HanZhi to postsrcipt coverter,
Font, Special viewer)

Thanks

Yong
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wendong@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Wen-Dong Tang)
Subject: Re: Election (Chinese, Are you jealous?)
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:11:54 GMT

In article <BxD3MB.GEH@cs.psu.edu> echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>
>	"People" still can, at least in principle.  It is just that 
>the voting system in China has made it practically almost impossible.
>But it did happen.  For example, Deng Liqun and a few other very high
>level officials had suffered humiliating election losses.
>
>
>	 Eddie

If you had ever lived in China, you would find that it is impossible for
 people to vote or not vote for somebody, becauce every time CCP already
 have somebody "in mind".

The constituent of PRC could be the best in the world if you only read
 those chapters which give people democracy and freedom. But you could
 know more if you read other chapters about the leadership of CCP.

PRC is not COMPLETELY controlled by one person, so it still could be
 democracy. The only thing is different levels of people have different
 "democracy".

Your example only illustrates that, because the higher level hates or does
 not care about Deng Liqun, he failed.
From: yndst2+@pitt.edu (Yong Duan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are you jealous?
Date: 8 Nov 92 04:15:42 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov6.164727.2814@athena.cs.uga.edu> fang@athena.cs.uga.edu (Yi Fang) writes:
>General Q:
>Is Voting system for democracy so admirable?
>
>Sub Q
>(1) Will voting always make sense? Majority rule always right?

No, definitely not. But most of the times YES. At least it may have more
than 50% probability to be right and to make sense.

>
>(2) Is voting result the best choice for all countries's development?

No, definitely not. But it probably stands higher chance to be the best choice.
>
>(3) In china, so many people are not so well educated, do they have the
>    ability to decide which candidate is the best for the country? 

They probably don't. Especially when they are not well informed.

>
>(4) In USA how many percents voters vote really based on unbiasd policy of the 
>    three cadidates? 

They choose based on their own willing and their own advantageous. The
willing of majority reflects that of the mainstream, though somebody may believe
that couple of people's willing does it.

>
>(5) If the chinese 9 billion peasants vote for a 'Nong(2) Min(2) Ling(3)
>    Xiu(4), Jiang(1) He(2) Da(4) Xia(3)' because of their poor education
>    or watching TV too much, do you think it's good to China, will you
>    accept the result?

That will be too bad. As a matter of fact, it would be a failure.
Somebody may strongly oppose me that we had one, though not voted.

>
>(6) How do you decide which cadidate telling the truth? If someone succeed
>    in cheating the people for his own profit and cause a disaster to the
>    country, .......??

That's why freedom is needed, free press.

>
>(7) What is most important to a country or nation? Democracy or economy
>    or education or something else? I notice the tribe people in Africa 
>    sing and dance all days to show their happiness, are you jealous?

Based on "nobody can survive without food", the economy should be the
most important one (should not be political fight that's for sure). But
do we really have to choose one from them? Afterall, democracy has shown
its success in helping the development of economy. So has education.

>
>(8) Anybody out there has a very clear idea which way chinese should go?

I don't. That's the thing for sure.
Current political system in China still has potential to bring China
into political disater (like CR), though I admit it is doing very good
job now.

>Yi Fang
From: ajchang@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: PLAYGrOUND ......
Date: 11 Nov 92 03:59:10 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University



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From: jackie@garnet.berkeley.edu (Jackie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: A Note from HAAS
Date: 9 Nov 1992 20:16:14 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: all
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

This is a test...  Sorry...
Thanks.
jackie@garnet.berkeley.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ron@wc18.yorku.ca (Ron Sheese)
Subject: Re: Extreme naivety and egocentricism among us
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: /writer/wcfac/ron/.organization
	<PI.92Nov10193643@spica.bu.edu> <10NOV199223464651@rosie.uh.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:32:31 GMT

Well, There are finally some people discussing reasonabaly about the
sick SCC posting pattern.  Though there are only two of you involved.

Good sign.

--ming
--
This a non-colourful .sig like me.  people hate to be usual.
ming he		ron@reader.yorku.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: shicheng@wam.umd.edu (Shicheng Jiang)
Subject: Re: What did you blood carders achieve so far?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:37:21 GMT

In article <2AF9B6FC.16724@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>You accused Li Peng millions of times, but, as the matter of fact, Li's
>position is more stable than Bush's.
>
>You attacked me thousands of times, but, as the matter of fact, I did not 
>ask for protection from third parties.
>......
>
>shannon
>-------
So, Mr. Shannon Yeh = Premier Li Peng.
From: micky.wong@canrem.com (micky wong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: support democracy in hong
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:50:44 GMT
Reply-To: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Distribution: soc
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

In article:<1992Nov10.040526.5302@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu>
   Subject: Support Democracy in Hong Kong
      From: wing@pegasus.com (Wing Ng) writes:

3WN> We appeal to the Hong Kong Legislative Council to shoulder their
3WN> responsibility and speedily pass the package of constitutional
3WN> revisions proposed by Governor Patten and urge all people of good will
3WN> to support the further democratization of Hong Kong.

Latest news from Hong Kong, the Hong Kong Legislative Council voted
30-21 (?) to support the further democratization of HongKong.

Congratulations to HongKong's Democracy Fighters!!!

   Faced with CCP's recent bombarding threats and constant sneers, Hong
Kong people have once again, demonstrated their strong resolve to
protect their own rights.

   CCP's hard liners need to repeatedly remind themselves:
"He2 ren2 min2 zuo2 dui4 de1 ren2, shi2 bu2 hui4 you3 hao3 xia4 chang3
de5"
   (For those who are against people's will, will not enjoy good
outcomes.)

   What is so bad to let people have more freedom? To exercise their
rights, of voicing their concerns regarding their own affairs?

   Today's CCP had repeatedly exposed their true ugly face to the whole
world, that the CCP's leadership are unable and unwilling to learn: "How
to serve the people!".

   The sad irony is: Before CCP cheated their way to power, "To serve
the people" or "To serve the mass" were the motto in CCP's preaching!

   Look at recent inflammatory remarks from Beijing and from their hired
voices in HongKong, CCP's current propagandists can find no better
arguments other than reminding people of those sins of the old
colonists. (which would be a strong argument 50 years ago, but
ludicrously outdated and totally unconvincing today.)

   But for a rapidly shrinking global society of today, facing a well
educated mass in today's HongKong, CCP can no longer fool the majority!
Their propagandists are running out of trickeries.

   Watching the recent development in HongKong, we would like to remind
those brain dead hard liners of the CCP, whose petrified brain made them
constantly living in the time warp of a past era; It is time to wake up
from your bad dreams! Your old tricks are only the laughing stocks of
today's Hong Kong people!
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:30361 talk.politics.china:2666
From: liu@cs.ucsd.edu (Haining Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: California Chinese Students Soccer Conference
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:02:42 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Distribution: ca
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

Sorry for cross posting this message.
I hope it can be reached to most readers.

We, a group of students, scholars and professionals from UC Berkeley 
and campuses around southern California, 
are organizing a soccer conference for this coming Thanksgiving days.
The game will be played at Berkeley on Nov 27 and 28.
Four teams are already signed up: UC Berkeley, UC Davis, 
UCSD and the combo from USC and UCLA %-). 
People from UC Santa Barbara, Caltech, UC Irvine, UC Reiverside
are stongly encouraged to form a team or two to participate.


We ask you, the soccer fans and hooligans, to activly participate
this conference. First of all, we need you to pass 
this information among your friends.

Fiancial aid and certain accommodations are available.  
Please stay tuned and more details will be followed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng)
Subject: Re: Congratulations, Bill.
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 02:55:34 GMT

In article <9087@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> kzest+@pitt.edu (Ke Zeng) writes:
>In article <Bx6DyJ.FKD@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>>Finally he wins. A democratic President for democracy
>>of the world. Congratulations to Bill.
>
>	It sounds to me that America will not be a democratic country
>unless a democrat becomes president. This is politics. You just can't
>trust any politician with a simple mind and I think this is true
>universally though we have no right to vote here. So I have no interest
>favoring either one of them.
>
>-- 
>---
>K. Zeng. @pittvms.bitnet    |  "Nothing is always right, even neither this
>or    @unix.cis.pitt.edu    |   saying."
>       @vms.cis.pitt.edu    |			--Anonymous

Democracy can not be quaranteed by any individual person or
organisation.  It can only be quaranteed by the political system in the
country, which keeps balance of the powers in the system, limits
the powers held by politicians and kicks out of those too dirty
politicians.  For my opinion, democracy means a democratic system, but
not a democratic person.


J Su
From: kzest+@pitt.edu (Ke Zeng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: I love the Fall of Ithaca! ...
Date: 7 Nov 92 02:48:48 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh, Dept. of Crystallography

In article <1992Nov7.011524.4095@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.232859.21510@chpc.utexas.edu> byab345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov6.213847.14048@msc.cornell.edu> xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,) writes:
>>>(   I--------tha--------ca   )   (  's  )  (  Fall  )
>>>
>[deleted]
>
>So tell us about the Fall of Ithaca, how good is it?
>
	I have been there once. I guess that must be one of the most
beatiful compusses in U.S. (perhaps in the world).
-- 
K. Zeng. @pittvms.bitnet    |  "Nothing is always right, even neither this
or    @unix.cis.pitt.edu    |   saying."
       @vms.cis.pitt.edu    |			--Anonymous
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:29761 soc.culture.hongkong:13952 soc.culture.taiwan:15133
From: xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: question Re: >>>>>>  ANNOUNCEMENT  <<<<<< (weekend repost)
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:36:12 GMT
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Originator: xiaobiao@msc2.msc.cornell.edu

From article <1992Nov7.032109.18116@msc.cornell.edu>, by xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,):
> From article <BxBK29.7As@news.orst.edu>, by wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao):
>>>I want to express my gratefulness to the person for his showing off my 
>>>personal finger record (see his post entitled "Be honest. Don't be a running
>>>...' or below) AND my favorite writing there for my 'plan'! I never expected 
>>>......
>>>Though I reserve the ownership of my personal data and the right of its 
>>>DISTRIBUTION ......
>> 
>> I have a question about finger record.  Do people really have to
>> ask owner's permission to look at one's finger file?  What is 
>> the purpose of having such thing on the net?  Who have the right
>> to look at the file beside operators of the network?
> 
> Yes I believe everyone has the right to look at anybody else's finger record 
> at his own will (Or else what's it for? anyway).  But that doesn't mean he 
> has the right to distribute it publically with owner's permission as I said. 
> 		   ^^^^^^^^^^		    ^^^^
					     |__ without

I am sorry!
--
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:59:04 EDT
From: <3066211@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Refugee, America, Chinese
 <92315.0931053066211@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <BxIruF.86M@nic.umass.edu>
 <ROTEN.92Nov11142658@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov>

In article <ROTEN.92Nov11142658@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov>, roten@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov
(Charles Roten) says:
>
>Why does such a poisonous response to such a reasonable post fail to
>surprise me ?!?!?  :-(

Thanks for your post. At least I can see someone as you dislike the tone in the
 other guy's last post. Maybe some people just want fighting or something. Pers
onally, I don't mind. BTW, please refer to my other responding post.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: pan@arete.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Victor Pan)
Subject: a more practical thing......
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:42:50 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:13:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.180301.9523@chpc.utexas.edu> byab345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang) writes:

>I did not want get involved in this kind of thing, but I feel 'forced'
>to as a 'Chinese'. Why should all chinese people feel shamed when
>a perticuplar guy feel shamed on a perticular issue? 

On this particular issue, it is a shame. No you don't have to feel
the same way as I do. You could be proud of that. But many people are
not proud of not having the voting right. American women and blacks did
not have voting right before, but they were not proud of that and
they fought, they won it. Those American are D-fighters too.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: CFMN?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 03:10:34 GMT

In article <BxoMyI.HnM@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
...
>Anything toward correcting the historical mistake
 ********
>(including CMFN, even symbolically) should be encouraged.
  **************

Having big US dollars in his full WALLETS, living in his
cosy and AC house, driving his fancy car around, our 
admirable Prof. Li Xiaolin has no problem promoting 
consistently CFMN, for his economically poor people inside 
China. Fighting for the people is Mr. Li's sole ambition, 
as a humantarian a few thousand mile away from the land and 
with nothing worried about his pocket in his daily life.

Contrary to what Mr. Li Xiaolin said, he actually believes
that CG can improve under the pressure that the common 
chinese people will suffer economically. A conclusion from
Mr. LI's reasoning: CG cares the people at least as well as 
he does.

Prof. Li, ask your relatives in China whether they want you
to promote CFMN. If most of them don't, please don't use their 
wellbeing in a gamble. CFMN wouldn't affect you DIRECTLLY, 
the burden would go to the other people. In such a case, you
have NO RIGHT to decide for the others. Not you, neither I.

The other day, you told us that you were over 18. Then if 
your ideal is really that pure as you often claimed, you
should have no trouble to tell your American colleagues how a 
trade confliction can affect your beloved people.

If the chinese people are supposed to deserve this CFMN, Prof.
Li, take your wallets out, mail most of your income to the poor
children that Mr. Li Xiaowen has been trying to help. Live in 
the same daily condition as vast majority of your people: wash your 
cothes with your bare hands, shiver with cold in shabby clothes,
shake fan in 40 Celcius climate, take hours shopping around, jam
your family in a small house, reckon your budget every day. If 
you can't be such a Budda, sir, buy some Mao2Tai2 with 1/500 of 
your monthly salary(or with three month income of a over-average 
person inside China,)  and have a good dream for your good forturn
in your bed. 

(Here, Mr. Li can be anybody who promotes CFMN.)

Think about it.

Period.
From: pi@spica.bu.edu (GARMARHARD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Extreme naivety and egocentricism among us
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:05:09 GMT
	<10NOV199215304024@elroy.uh.edu>
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Yang Zi Riverside
In-reply-to: math1pf@elroy.uh.edu's message of 10 Nov 92 21:30:00 GMT


* According to Webster's New World Dictionary:

  Morality: 1) 	moral quality or character; rightness or wrongness, as of
	       	an action;
	    2) 	the character of being in accord with the principles or
	       	standards of right conduct; right conduct;
	    3)	principles of right and wrong in conduct; ethics;
	    ...

* After reading the above, will you change your opinion? I do not expect
  that the Chinese dictionary interprets morality in a very different way.

* I do not think it proper to equal "chewing loudly" to my examples.

* Culture may have something to do with manners, but individuals' SPECIAL
  manners are more determined by his education level, living envirenment 
  and social knowlege. Has anyone in your life (in China) encouraged you 
  to "chew loudly"? I doubt it based on my experience of living there 
  during my childhood and youth. Under different cultural influences, you 
  may shake hands with people you first meet to express friendlyness, or 
  you may make a big hug even a kiss to reach exactly same goal. This is
  kind of manners related to the culture, but not those inividuals' SPECIAL
  ones. In more general, the culture-related manners are those commom
  manners.
From: wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are you jealous?
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:08:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxBn6v.AJ0
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU

>
>Sub Q
>(1) Will voting always make sense? Majority rule always right?

Majority rule is not always right, but before we can find anything
better than that, we'd better stick with it.  Voting is a way
to show people's best interest.  There is no way we can say that what 
most people want is right.

>(2) Is voting result the best choice for all countries's development?

There is no way you can find out what is the best choice for a
country.  Whenever someone makes a decision, there will always be
some others opposite it.  That is normal, and it's good for a 
country. 
 
>(3) In china, so many people are not so well educated, do they have the
>    ability to decide which candidate is the best for the country? 

Sure they do.  You can try to pursuade 'uneducated' people what to
vote, but you cannot take their voting right away.  About level of 
education, there can be many ways to determine.  Is Chair Mao well
educated?  Is Mr. Lu Gang(the murderer in Iowa) well educated?

>(4) In USA how many percents voters vote really based on unbiasd policy of the 
>    three cadidates? 

>(5) If the chinese 9 billion peasants vote for a 'Nong(2) Min(2) Ling(3)
>    Xiu(4), Jiang(1) He(2) Da(4) Xia(3)' because of their poor education
>    or watching TV too much, do you think it's good to China, will you
>    accept the result?

I don't think there is any 'jiang1 hu2 da4 xia2' that popular.  If
people don't take vote as a joke, they won't vote for such 'da xia'.  
Basically, voting is making choice.  It has a limit.

>(6) How do you decide which cadidate telling the truth? If someone succeed
>    in cheating the people for his own profit and cause a disaster to the
>    country, .......??

You decide which cadidate by your own judgement.  About the second half 
of the question, we should look at what happened to President Nixon.

>(7) What is most important to a country or nation? Democracy or economy
>    or education or something else? I notice the tribe people in Africa 
>    sing and dance all days to show their happiness, are you jealous?

Economy and education are partily depend on democracy.  I shall say
all these three are equally important to a country.  I should point
out that democracy is not like what the US has.  The system of US is
a part of democracy, not all.  We can argue about the definition of
democracy for days, because there is no perfect definition for it.
Another thing we should aware is that democracy and politic are different
subjects. 

>(8) Anybody out there has a very clear idea which way chinese should go?

Where are my opitions?  I have nothing to choose from.  
I think the best way is each person do their best to be a good 
person.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:30:09 EST
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: FWD: Ozone Man's Beauty (Re. China's MFN)

The ozone man's beauty is Teaper Gore, right?
Hope it's right. Otherwise Al may get
trouble sooner or later.

He didn't figure out his wife's voice.
At that time he must be a super ozone man.

X Xu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: HELP
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:49:14 GMT

In article <05NOV92.23323072.0072@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> S13Y000 <S13Y@UNB.CA> writes:
>
>Hi there,
>
>Is any one know how to post E-mail to China?
>

Just post here!

Fan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china