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From: david@datamark.co.nz (David Rowland)
Subject: Re: Mana Systems, where are you?
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 03:18:33 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <1992Dec17.194120.426@otago.ac.nz> allan@otago.ac.nz writes:
>Hi,
>
>Again I'm having trouble tracking someone down. This time it's:
>  Robert Barnes, Managing Director of Mana Systems.
>
>If anyone out there has a phone number for Mana, I'd very much like to here
>from you. Thanks,
>
>Allan
>
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>Allan Udy, Mac Consultant, Golden Micro Solutions,|Phone:     +64 3 473 8710
>9 Norwood St, N.E.V., Dunedin 9001, New Zealand.  |Fax:       +64 3 473 8710
>                                                  |CompuServe:    100035,552
>'Whatever happened to all the heroes?' Stranglers |E-Mail: allan@otago.ac.nz
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> 

There is a Mana Information Systems Ltd in the phone book:

	Mana Information Systems Ltd
          92 Thurleigh Gro Wgtn
          Cellular Phone............... 0-25-440 202

You could try this.

Dave
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From: athomson@otago.ac.nz (Alastair Thomson)
Newsgroups: nz.comp
Subject: Re: What computer is the "Coruba, DO DA" ad done on?
Date: 23 Dec 92 10:04:44 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

In article <1992Dec21.150203.12929@waikato.ac.nz>, ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) writes:
> In article <1992Dec17.115238.423@otago.ac.nz>, athomson@otago.ac.nz (Alastair Thomson) writes:
>>
>> As far as software goes for the Amiga, I've never seen
>> *anything* on an Amiga that can come close to either TOPAS or 3D Studio.
> 
> Hmm, quite a few people swear by LightWave 3D (the software that comes with
> the Toaster).

Admittedly it was 12 months ago when I was looking at the Amiga, but I really
couldn't find anything that could compete with TOPAS or 3DS, that may have
changed. But with the recent upgrades to the above, I doubt there will be
anything quite that good (procedural shaders etc.) But I am willing to be
convinced. 

> 
> Have you seen Todd Rundren's "Theology" video? I asked about it on
> comp.graphics.animation, and was told that it was done entirely on Amigas
> and Macs.

I haven't seen it, my question would be what was done on Amiga, and what on
Mac, there are some very good packages available for Mac (includeing MacTopas)

I guess that may main concern in this thread is not really what the
Amiga/PC/Mac can/cannot do, just the attitude of some to others who clearly have
the experience to make at least some judegment about broadcast quality
animation. 8-)

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Alastair Thomson,                   | Phone +64-3-479-8347
University of Otago,                | Fax   +64-3-479-8529
Department of Computer Science,     | e-mail athomson@otago.ac.nz
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From: dennis_c@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: nz.comp
Subject: Re: interNet via modem
Date: 21 Dec 1992 05:31:46 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: dennis_c@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <hrpdko.44@pnv.palm.cri.nz>, news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.212607.427@otago.ac.nz> grads@otago.ac.nz writes:>
>>I was wondering the same thing.  How come nobody has replied to this query?>
>I also would be interested to know. (thats 3 of us now guys)>
>Dale Ogilvie

Err.. sorry.  What was the original question?

Chris Dennis
Newsgroups: nz.comp
From: Andy.Linton@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Linton)
Subject: Re: interNet via modem
Organization: Victoria University, PO Box 600, Wellington, NEW ZEALAND
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:39:37 GMT


In article <1992Dec31.034803.15192@acme.gen.nz>, kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
|> don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes) writes:
|> 
|> > [...dialup IP...]
|> >
|> > Other gotchas include the issue of what to do with mail -- the nature of
|> > SMTP is that it expects that a host is going to be there all the time, and
|> > if it isn't, it'll come back Real Soon Now.  That assumption is going to
|> > be false with a dialup SLIP or PPP connection, so alternative arrangements
|> > need to be made.  Those arrangements are probably going to cost money.
|> 
|> You could use POP, which appears to be receiving enthusiastic support (if
|> the whizzy client I'm using on a PC at work is an indication). The problem
|> it does cause of course is that your server then has to provide spool space
|> for my mail until I bother to call and grab it.

Of course, the sendmail daemon that was acting as a secondary MX for the
SLIP/PPP connected site would be doing that anyway! It's an easily solvable
problem. The downstream site talks to an "I'm here again, please run the
sendmail queue while I'm connected" server.

I don't think POP is the answer in this case unless there is only a limited
number of recipients at the downstream site.
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: nz.comp
Subject: Re: What computer is the "Coruba, DO DA" ad done on?
Date: 23 Dec 92 02:22:04 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Dec21.151734.12930@waikato.ac.nz> by ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University):
> In article <jbickers.0loz@templar.actrix.gen.nz>, jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:

> >     data before decompressing it. The other approach, which is done
> >     for some trade shows but which isn't "normal", is to read the
> >     data directly into display RAM from disk, for the duration of the
> >     animation. This requires a special disk format and custom code,
> >     apparently.
> 
> That's a pity. Systems like Apple's QuickTime and Microsoft's Video for Windows
> do it by storing their data in ordinary files--even on CD-ROM. They get most
> of their speed from careful design of the compression algorithms. A Mac LC,
> for example, can do 10 frames per second at 320*240 resolution, sustained,

    These demonstrations are (a) full screen size, and (b) meant to
    run at the full frame rate. I forget whether they are supposed to
    show off graphics boards, HD speed, or both, but I suspect it is
    to show off graphics boards.

    PD-style animation on the Amiga has never left the screen-based
    format, and I don't think anyone is planning to do so in the near
    future either. So no animations in windows for us. There are pros
    and cons to either side, I guess.

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: +64-7-856-2889
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From: Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan)
Subject: Re: interNet via modem
Newsgroups: nz.comp
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:28:14 +1200
Organization: Equinox Networks

USENET News System (news@massey.ac.nz) wrote:
>In article <1992Dec17.212607.427@otago.ac.nz> grads@otago.ac.nz writes:

>>I was wondering the same thing.  How come nobody has replied to this
query?

>I also would be interested to know. (thats 3 of us now guys)

Yeah me too. Come on, what is it with you guys out there? Doesn't anyone
know the answer?

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Newsgroups: nz.comp
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Subject: Re: interNet via modem
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 03:48:03 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Reply-To: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)

don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes) writes:

> [...dialup IP...]
>
> Other gotchas include the issue of what to do with mail -- the nature of
> SMTP is that it expects that a host is going to be there all the time, and
> if it isn't, it'll come back Real Soon Now.  That assumption is going to
> be false with a dialup SLIP or PPP connection, so alternative arrangements
> need to be made.  Those arrangements are probably going to cost money.

You could use POP, which appears to be receiving enthusiastic support (if
the whizzy client I'm using on a PC at work is an indication). The problem
it does cause of course is that your server then has to provide spool space
for my mail until I bother to call and grab it.

						- k
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"Jub'er lbh pnyyvat n obmb?"
Newsgroups: nz.comp
Subject: Re: interNet via modem
From: don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes)
Date: 31 Dec 92 08:24:49 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Wolery

Andy.Linton@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Linton) writes:
> kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
> |> You could use POP, which appears to be receiving enthusiastic support (if
> |> the whizzy client I'm using on a PC at work is an indication). The problem
> |> it does cause of course is that your server then has to provide spool space
> |> for my mail until I bother to call and grab it.
> 
> Of course, the sendmail daemon that was acting as a secondary MX for the
> SLIP/PPP connected site would be doing that anyway! It's an easily solvable
> problem. The downstream site talks to an "I'm here again, please run the
> sendmail queue while I'm connected" server.
> 
> I don't think POP is the answer in this case unless there is only a limited
> number of recipients at the downstream site.

POP is ideal for a single personal computer making on-demand IP connections --
in fact that's precisely what happens with ethernet-connected personal
computers using POP clients to retrieve mail.  Whether you use ethernet or
SLIP for getting mail from a POP server is entirely irrelevant.  And yes,
there are some really nice POP clients out there, at the best possible
prices.  8-)

POP is not however suited to a multiuser situation.  Andy & I discussed 
how to go about dealling with this case, and he came up with the idea
that the calling system, on making the connection, should prod the machine
handling the secondary MX (ie the "fall back" machine if the primary 
address isn't reachable) and tell it to have another go at sending any 
queued mail.  This seems to me quite a clean solution, assuming the 
machine handling the secondary MX knows how to run its mailer for a 
particular site only -- not a problem on Comp Sci's machines, which was
what we were discussing -- and that the site is prepared to set this up.

However, my point is that the machine handling the secondary MX is going
to be handling mail more often than not, and the admins of that machine
are going to want MONEY for using their spool space.  The same applies
to POP servers, uucp or whatever.  It's not as simple as just bunging a
machine on the net and letting folk throw mail at it.

I for one would _not_ support any effort to provide IP connectivity (dialup
or otherwise) without some way of reaching the user by email.  As a minimum,
postmaster@site should be a valid address to anyone appearing on the net
in any form. 

--
Don Stokes, ZL2TNM (DS555)                        don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (home)
Network Manager, Computing Services Centre            don@vuw.ac.nz (work)
Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand              +64-4-495-5052
Newsgroups: nz.comp
Subject: Re:  What computer is the "Coruba, DO DA" ad done on?
From: nicaugh@otago.ac.nz
Date: 27 Dec 92 22:12:04 +1300
 <1992Dec15.104758.408@otago.ac.nz> <Twin-Peaks.02kw@fbi.amigans.gen.nz>
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

Merry Xmas & a happy New Year everyone. (Sorry the xmas bit is late)
> By this do you mean that "Diet Coke" ad with Paula Abdul and other old
> actors?
Nah the bit with the box that open's & groucho marx mask's bounce up & down.
The Paula Abdul stuff is brilliant in parts dicey in other places.
But is 2D anyway, who knows what that was done on. Though it would be
a safe bet it was digital all the way through.
> 
> What other ads have your company done, just out of curiosity?
Very few so far. We have mainly done TVNZ title graphics.
America's Cup, One Playhouse, Whitbread and various others.
(The America's stuff looked alot better b4 conversion to NTSC then Satellite
back to PAL).
We also did the real time animation tracking the boats in the America's Cup
using a top end SGI box in San Diego.
> 
>> In case you are interested which I doubt I don't dislike Amiga's just
>> people who think they are the be all and end all!!!!.
> Right.  They aren't the be all and end all, they are just very well
> constructed machines for basic sound/graphics manipulation at a low price.
> Fair comment?
For sure that market is real competitive
& is going to much more so with multi media, which is where alot of
growth is going to be in the next few years. All of which is great
because it pushing technology along that much faster & prices down.

Cheers
Nigel
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Nigel Caughey                       Phone : +64-3-4799750
Animation Research Ltd              Fax   : +64-3-4799751
Dunedin 
New Zealand                         Email : nicaugh@otago.ac.nz
All comments mine ARL can talk for itself.

Newsgroups: nz.comp
From: Andy.Linton@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Linton)
Subject: re: Dialup access to internet
Organization: Victoria University, PO Box 600, Wellington, NEW ZEALAND
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 02:36:13 GMT


In article <2b370174.cae@lhn.gns.cri.nz>, mdlcpgs@lhn.gns.cri.nz writes:
|> Okay, I am in the middle of setting this up.
|> 
|> 1/ Find an internet provider. John Houlker at Waikato University
|> is probably a good start. Michael Newbury at Victoria uni. is
|> another. Both can do dial-up internet access.
|>
|> 2/ Decide whether you just need mail, need FTP too. etc. Your
|> internet provider will be able to tell you what options at what
|> cost. It will depend on where you are getting the feed too.
|> Basic options:
|>    a/ simplist option is dialup account on host machine. You will
|> have to use Kermit or similar to move stuff back to your machine.
|>    b/ Mail only requirements can be achieved with with a mailbox
|> on the host machine and either a UUCP connection or POP2/3 on
|> your local machine.

This picture isn't quite correct. UUCP can be done using this model but for
POP3 - I hope no one is proposing that we use POP2 - you will need an IP
connection - see option (c) before you can work this way.

UUCP feeds are available from NewZnet in Wellington and Auckland as well as
the sites mentioned in Duncan McEwan's posting.

|>    c/ Full connection will need dialup SLIP or PPP on your machine
|> plus a mailbox on host and some means of triggering the transfer.
|> 
|> I have found both Michael and John very helpful. What is possible for
|> you will depend on the provider too. A bewildering array of software
|> is available for the local end of things. I may be able to summerise
|> what you can do for a MSDOS machine in a few weeks and certainly give
|> some hints now if you have sorted out the provider end.
|> 	Phil
Newsgroups: nz.comp
From: john@actrix.gen.nz (John Vorstermans)
Subject: Re: interNet via modem
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 01:34:38 GMT

In article <15814357@zl2tnm.gen.nz> don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes) writes:

> Given that there does seem to be a demand, maybe there's an opportunity
> here for someone with modems and ports already available.  VUW is not
> set up for public access, and I really don't want to get into that game,
> but practicalities may be different for others.  I'm quite happy to talk
> over the issues if anyone is serious about providing such a facility.

Actrix are looking at this sort of service in 1993.  We are at present
investigating costs to upgrade our leased line to something a little
more practical.  The monthly line rental and NTU rental to telecom is a 
bit of a killer however. 

Anyone know of any alternative to renting 48k NTU from Telecom.  Someone must
surley have something we could purchase?

I would certainly welcome any suggstions.


Newsgroups: nz.comp
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Subject: Re: interNet via modem
Organization: DSIR, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 21:30:59 GMT

In article <1h3ks2INNb6r@golem.wcc.govt.nz> dennis_c@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:

>In article <hrpdko.44@pnv.palm.cri.nz>, news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec17.212607.427@otago.ac.nz> grads@otago.ac.nz writes:>
>>>I was wondering the same thing.  How come nobody has replied to this query?>
>>I also would be interested to know. (thats 3 of us now guys)>
>>Dale Ogilvie

>Err.. sorry.  What was the original question?

>Chris Dennis

How can you connect to internet via a modem? Can it be done? What software/
hardware do you need? BTW my concept of internet is FTP+news.

Dale Ogilvie
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University)
Newsgroups: nz.comp
Subject: Re: What computer is the "Coruba, DO DA" ad done on?
Date: 23 Dec 92 13:37:54 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Dec23.100444.453@otago.ac.nz>, athomson@otago.ac.nz (Alastair Thomson) writes:
> In article <1992Dec21.150203.12929@waikato.ac.nz>, ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) writes:
>>
>> Have you seen Todd Rundren's "Theology" video? I asked about it on
>> comp.graphics.animation, and was told that it was done entirely on Amigas
>> and Macs.
>
> I haven't seen it, my question would be what was done on Amiga, and what on
> Mac, there are some very good packages available for Mac (includeing MacTopas)

Yes, I heard about TOPAS being available on the Mac. What I was told about
Theology was that the textures were created using Adobe Photoshop and
Fractal Design Painter on the Mac, while the actual 3D stuff was all done
on the Amiga.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: +64-7-856-2889
Computer Services Dept                     fax: +64-7-838-4066
University of Waikato            electric mail: ldo@waikato.ac.nz
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
From: mdlcpgs@lhn.gns.cri.nz
Newsgroups: nz.comp
Subject: re: Dialup access to internet
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 23:52:20 GMT  
Organization: Institute of Gelogical & Nuclear Sciences, New Zealand.

Okay, I am in the middle of setting this up.

1/ Find an internet provider. John Houlker at Waikato University
is probably a good start. Michael Newbury at Victoria uni. is
another. Both can do dial-up internet access.

2/ Decide whether you just need mail, need FTP too. etc. Your
internet provider will be able to tell you what options at what
cost. It will depend on where you are getting the feed too.
Basic options:
   a/ simplist option is dialup account on host machine. You will
have to use Kermit or similar to move stuff back to your machine.
   b/ Mail only requirements can be achieved with with a mailbox
on the host machine and either a UUCP connection or POP2/3 on
your local machine.
   c/ Full connection will need dialup SLIP or PPP on your machine
plus a mailbox on host and some means of triggering the transfer.

I have found both Michael and John very helpful. What is possible for
you will depend on the provider too. A bewildering array of software
is available for the local end of things. I may be able to summerise
what you can do for a MSDOS machine in a few weeks and certainly give
some hints now if you have sorted out the provider end.
	Phil
Newsgroups: nz.comp
From: duncan@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Duncan McEwan)
Subject: Re: interNet via modem
Organization: Comp Sci, Victoria University, Wellington, New Zealand
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:51:31 GMT

In <hrpdko.45@pnv.palm.cri.nz> news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System) writes:

Oh no!!  The news@massey.ac.nz disease has spread to sites outside Massey
University :-)

>How can you connect to internet via a modem? Can it be done? What software/
>hardware do you need? BTW my concept of internet is FTP+news.

Presumably you mean more than the trivial use of a modem and terminal at home
to dial your work's computers or some other public access site (such
as actrix.gen.nz or kosmos.wcc.govt.nz in Wellington, kcbbs.gen.nz in
Auckland, equinox.gen.nz in Christchurch, etc)?

Assuming you want to connect a home computer to the Internet so you can
ftp directly to/from that machine, the answer is "most likely, depending
on what OS (UNIX, DOS, Amiga-whatever) it is running".  Firstly, You will
need TCP/IP software that supports SLIP (serial line IP), or the newer PPP
(Point to Point Protocol) running on your local machine.

Many UNIX varient's come with SLIP built in to the Kernel, or available as
an add-on -- consult your vendor.  PPP hasn't been around as long so
I'm not sure if there are any products supporting it yet (the implementations
I am aware of are in source form and require the availability of kernel source
code).

For DOS (and perhaps other systems?) there is a freely available (for
non-commercial use) system written by Phil Karn called KA9Q which is an
implementation of TCP/IP that includes SLIP and PPP.  Check out the VUW
Comp Sci archives (although I don't know if the copy there is the latest
version.   There are also a number of commercial products (such as FTP
Software's PC/TCP) that also supports SLIP and possibly PPP.

You will also require the remote end to have something (a general purpose
computer, or perhaps a router or terminal server) speaking the same
protocol (SLIP or PPP) that you can connect to.  Since you are going to
require the cooperation of the sys-admin of that site to set things up
(allocation of IP addresses, network routing tables, domain name system,
etc) you should speak to that person for more advice on how to proceed.

Disclaimer: The above may contain a number of inaccuracies -- I've never
actually tried to do this, the above suggestions are simply based on
stuff that I have gleaned from working with IP networks, and reading the
Net over the years.

Duncan