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From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .40 S&W Help Sought
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:58:42 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Sep27.132956.29775@ke4zv.uucp> wa4mei!ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu (Gary Coffman) writes:
#Since the Glock system gives you, in practice, the exact same safety
#as a transfer bar equipped revolver, and most people have little concern
#about holster carrying loaded revolvers, I fail to see the issue.

As was pointed out to me via e-mail, Glocks often come with a 
fairly light trigger pull. _This_ could be a problem to holster.
However, there are standard options for a heavier trigger pull (I
think 8 or 9 lbs.) which should be no more dangerous than a revolver.

                                               Frank Crary
                                               CU Boulder
From: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Lee bites back.
Date: 6 Oct 92 11:16:58 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group


/ iftccu:rec.guns / chrisb@wang.com (Chris Bennet) /  9:57 am  Oct  2, 1992 /

#selling the Dillon soon too. :^)  But seriously, could people that have used

Not likely, the Dillon has MUCH better protection for the idiot (in this 
case) pulling the handle.  First of all, the primer being seated is about 
two inches from the primer feed tube.  Second, even if the primers in the 
feed tube go up, they will actually to UP.  The tube is surrounded by a 
STRONG STEEL blast shield that will direct the resulting bang away from 
the user.  (The lee is plastic, and your best bet is to be careful 
not to set the primers off....)  And after the dust settles, Dillon will 
replace any damaged parts for free.

#both (Lee 1000 and Dillon) explain their preference for the Dillon.  I 
#have three Lee 1000's [I hate to change dies] and haven't had any problems.
#I have noticed that someone sells a case feeder for the Dillon that costs
#more than and entire Lee press [which comes with a case feeder].

You tend to get what you pay for....  The Lee isn't a bad press.  It is simply
a bit less sturdy in some areas and less forgiving.  Unless it has happened 
recently, I don't think Lee offers a lifetime warranty.  I can state that 
the Dillon case feeder (in my case at least) works well all the time....

Rick
From: tmi@netcom.com (Peter Alan Kasler)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Glock doesn't *need* a safety (Re: .40 S&W Help Sought)
Date: 3 Oct 92 13:22:01 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In <1992Oct2.182959.19963@netcom.com> messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) writes:

#rnoguchi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ryan Alexander Noguchi) writes:

#In fact, you can order Glock with different trigger pulls.  I believe
#that 8.5 lb is available.  Check with your local friendly dealer.

	Glock pistols are available with various combinations of
trigger "pull" and "feel" -- most civilian Glocks leave the factory
with the "standard" 5-pound trigger. The connector that provides the
5-pound trigger resistance can be changed to an 8-pound connector
(part costs <$6.00; labor = <10 minutes). Another way to achieve an
8-pound trigger is to add a standard New York trigger spring (which
replaces the standard coil-type trigger spring) to the 5-pound
connector (part costs <$3.00; labor = <10 minutes). If even greater
trigger force is desired, a NY+ trigger spring can be used with the
5-pound connector to provide about 11-pounds of trigger force.


-- 
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     Threat Management Institute                Voice: 707-939-0303
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From: loki@acca.nmsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Remington 788
Date: 2 Oct 92 11:39:15 GMT


Would someone care to enlighten the darkness of my ignorance with a 
description of the 788?  I understand it to be a lightweight bolt
rifle, and perhaps the inexpensive precursor to the model 7, but I
have never seen one in the flesh, as it were.  What is the safety
set up?  Magazine?

I had hoped to purchase one in .308, left handed, but it was gone
before I could make an offer.  Perhaps just as well, since I have
only a vague idea of what I would have been purchasing...

"Master... Master...                       (To The Tune of Metallica's)
	Master of Science is your degree.  ('Master of Puppets')
	You're too dumb for a PhD.              loki@acca.nmsu.edu
	Should have studied for the GRE!    taylordf@ucsu.colorado.edu
From: eesnyder@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Eric E. Snyder)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: A bunch of 223 reloading questions
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:58:17 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

cower@SSD.intel.com (Rich Cower) writes:

#Oh - TCCI is in Phoenix, this brass is cleaned. Midway has the same
#stuff but de-primed and crimp removed, for a bit more money. I'm trying
#to do this as inexpensively as possible.

I have reloaded quite a bit of military .223 brass.  Unless you are going 
to buy a specific tool to remove primer crimps, I would encourage you 
to spend the extra cash and get the de-crimped stuff.  Removing primer
crimps with a deburring tool is tedious and if you don't do a good job,
it is easy to mangle primers when seating them.  Of course, mounting the 
deburring tool on a power drill may be sufficient for your purposes. 

Have fun!

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From: gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Loaded Clips
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:56:58 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Ballistic Research Lab, APG MD.


In article <1992Sep25.015920.1974@odin.corp.sgi.com> barnes@cowboys.esd.sgi.com (Jim Barnes) writes:
#If I have my clip loaded but out of the gun, the gun is still considered
#loaded.
#Right?
#Now what if I have a unloaded clip in the gun and a loaded clip near
#by???????
#Am I still in trouble?????

I assume you mean "magazine" as mighty few handguns use clips.

Considering the illogic of the interpretation of a loaded detached magazine
as effecting loading of the weapon without insertion of the magazine, any
court that has that policy (e.g. MD) is very likely to consider that the
existence of other, empty magazines makes no difference, and certainly it
would be inconsistent to consider whether or not the empty magazine were
inserted into the weapon.

Don't try to make sense out of silly court standards, just learn what they
are so you can decide whether or not to heed them.
From: towle@vssteg.enet.dec.com (Clark Towle Gunsmith)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: AR15 accuracy
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:04:43 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


#Bunch of text deleted< 
# 
#This is a new one......so what's the inside story on chrome lined
#bores?  Seems to me they would be a better choice since they would last
#longer and resist corrosion better.
# 
#I have a Quality Parts 24" 1 in 9" chrome lined barrel that will hold
#under 1" groups at 100 yards.  I've always felt I could squeze even
#tighter groups if I could work up a bullet/powder combination that it
#really liked.

 You obviously got a good one. :-) Generally chromeing the bore produces
irregularities that detract from the overall accuracy potential. Most of 
these irregularities occur near the muzzle and chamber as the voltage used in 
electroplating process tends to "bunch" up the plating near the ends of 
whatever is being plated.

 It is a given that a true "match" barrel will not be chrome plated even 
though once in a while you will encounter a non-match barrel that does manage 
to shoot well.

 As a matter of fact my M16 with a standard GI surplus skinny profile chrome 
barrel seems to shoot rather well but it is in no way in the same accuracy 
class as my AR15 Match rifle.

 Chrome does resist corrosion well and makes cleanup a lot easier and in a 
full auto arm tends to prolong barrel life somewhat.


 To Dion Hollenbeck::: Tried sending you mail but it keeps bouncing so hope 
you see this.

 Olympic Arms number is 206-459-7940  Give them a call for a catalog and
prices for the 16" heavy match barrel you are looking for.
From: Sproul@sproul.sproul.com (Mark Sproul)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Dillon 650 review - questions answered
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:19:39 GMT
Organization: Sproul Consulting


In response to some questions about the Dillon 650:

# 
# How often does the motor run (every time a case is extracted, or
# when the tube is empty?).

The motor on the case feeder is quite, it has two speeds, and it runs
every time a case is extracted.


Also, when setting up the machine, it takes q fair amount of effort
due to the fact that it always wants to rotate the shell plate.  This
makes adjusting the powder measure and the bullet seating die a little
bit more involved.

-------------------------------------
Mark Sproul - KB2ICI
From: smpod@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: HELP WANTED: .303 -> .308 Conversion
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:29:54 GMT
Organization: who knows

halk@bnr.ca (Hal (H.V.) Kauffeldt) writes...
#Recently, I purchased a used Lee Enfield rifle that had been converted
#from the original .303 to a .308 calbire, by means of a replacement
#barrel.  The rifle still uses the original .303 clip.
# 
#Problem:
# 
#More often than not, shells fail to feed properly from the clip.

Are you using the original magazine?  If so, I think that you cannot use the 
original magazine for feeding the round; how about trying to place the round
on top of the follower without pushing the follower down.  I think there is
a magazine specifically made for the 308/Lee Enfields; it's made by or called
the Stirling.

Also check to see if you have the bolt head that is made for the .308 
cartridge.
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 9mm: Which *not* to buy?
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:57:33 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

rayma@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Michael A Ray) writes:

#I plan on using this for action/combat pistol shooting (not too  
#serious; no compensators, optics, etc), casual target shooting, and  
#home defense.  This seems to require higher capacity (12+) to compete  
#in the combat matches (I saw my first this past Sunday!).   
#Unfortunately, I have quite small hands.  As an aside, are adjustable  
#sights a must for combat shooting?  I would like to get a new 9mm for  
#less than $400 at a gun show and have listed below what I think are  
#contenders regardless of whether they are too big for me.  I plan on  
#going to the local store sometime soon and handling as many as  
#possible.

For what you want, the Glock 17 cannot be beat.   Accurate, reliable,
cheap, sturdy.

#AMT On Duty (reliable or not?)		
	-AMT makes crap.
#Astra A-100 (someone said these were very accurate)	
	These are great compact 9mms/.45s, but for IPSC type
	shooting, Glock beats anything on this list.
#Browning BDM
	Funny looking.
#Colt All American 2000
	Crapola.
#Glock 17/19
#"Hi Power" clone
	Get the real thing.
#CZ-75 clone
	Get the real thing.  The real deal is cheaper and better.
#Ruger P-89 (until evryone shoots it down again)
	Crapola.
#Springfield P-9
	Again, get the real deal.
#Star 30M
	I have one and I like it lots, but unless you can get it way
cheaper than a CZ-75 ($350 at some shows), just get the chech gun.

#Taurus PT92/99
	Why?  If a "bargain gun" is what you want, then I think the
Astra or Star is better for the same money.


#Which ones should I not bother considering because they are very  
#unwieldy, inaccurate, or poorly made?  Thanks again for the help.

Ruger, Colt m2000, and in all likelyhood the AMT.

#Michael Ray

Jim Del Vecchio
From: cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Chris Luchini)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: enfield conversions
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:30:11 GMT
Organization: High Energy Physics, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign

In article <1992Sep30.180753.9221@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, kkrh@troi.cc.rochester.edu (K. Karcich) writes:
#The #4 SMLE is sufficiently strong to handle the .308. This model is quite
#a bit stronger than the #1 mark III SMLE. The P-14 is not a conversion-it
#was manufactured that way before any were made as model 1917's in 30-06.The
#P-14 is not impossible to blow up, especially the brittle ones. In fact,
#there are more quality questions regarding this models manufacturing integrity
#than any of the british enfields. The design of the P-14 is better, but the 
#often mis-heattreated and over hardened receivers can be booby traps to the
#uninformed.


	The only p-14's that have been reported to have problems
	are the ones made by Eddystone Remingtion Arsenal (ERA).
	The Remington and Winchester production ones have never to
	my knowledge been accused of being mis-heat-treated.
From: mjalava@lk-hp-21.hut.fi (Mika Matti Jalava)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: more silencer questions
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:19:42 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology

In article <1ag8niINNrq9@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> paladin@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Robin Yang) writes:

#     Wiperless silencers?  Aluminum shavings for baffling material?  Why
#metal shavings?  Why not a variant on the steel wool?  And what is the best
#baffling material for low-power rounds?  I imagine the requirements change
#depending on the original report.

Nylon seems good. I have shot quite a few rounds with my .22 and there
are no marks of wearing. It doesn't corrode, so you can even wash the
silencer. You can easily shape the internal structure to be most
efficient. I have no idea of the durability with anything more
powerful than a .22, though.

Are there also silencers with steel wool -type material inside? I have
only seen ones with some kind of walls that divide the volume of the
tube in smaller compartments. How would one keep the "wool" (or
aluminium shavings?) material in the correct shape?

	Mika
From: C08926RC@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu (Rob)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: RE: .303 - .308 Conversion
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:23:34 GMT

#Before I venture to a gun-smith and pay $$$ to have the thing looked
#at, has anyone had experience with this sort of problem and/or
#conversion, and found a workable solution?

I remember seeing these converted rifles for sale.  I believe it was
done by the Ishapore Arsenal in India.

Now I'm taking a wild guess, but I would imagine that they didn't
change the boltface on the bolt.  The rim on the .303 is .532, while
the rim on the .308 is .472.  I would think this may cause cases to
not 'catch' properly.

If this is the case, I don't know what the fix is....

Rob
From: futrena@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: sniper rifle in 'Navy seals' movie?
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:03:24 GMT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1992Oct5.010752.18054@latcs1.lat.oz.au>, jd@latcs1.lat.oz.au (John D
imogotsis) writes:
#
#       Does anyone know what sniper rifle was used by the 'God' sniper in
# the movie 'Navy seals' staring 'charlie sheen' ? It looked as if it took
# .50 cal ammo, or something as huge (made big holes in the wall!).
#       Also the sights on this weapon allowed the user to see the 'thermal
# images' of the enemy behind a wall in a night scene, is this possible?
#       Thanks in advance.
#                                                               jd.

Barret Light Fifty in .50cal with a night site.  I have heard that the
.50 cal round has a straight, stable trajectory of 1000 yds or more.
I don't if that is true or not.

--
+===============================================================+
|Nathan Futrell                 |DangerMouse:  Penfold...       |
|futrena@WKUVX1.BITNET          |Penfold:  Yes...?              |
|Western Kentucky University    |DM:  SHUSH!                    |
|Bowling Green, KY USA          |P:  Oh, Ick!                   |
+===============================================================+
From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .308 Pistol
Date: 2 Oct 92 11:38:44 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <9210011742.AA04424@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> andy@sail.stanford.edu (Andy Freeman) writes:
##What if one buys a new action, such as the Mini Mark X action, which
##was never barrelled?  Can one make a pistol out of it?
#
#Not legally.
#
#A receiver is defined legally as a rifle when the serial number is
#stamped on it.  The manufacturer could have defined it as a handgun
#before that action, but didn't, and that decision is binding.

  I made a couple of phone calls today to find out more.  I called my
local friendly BATF agent and asked about this.  He told me about the
above info, and said that the only way around it was to pay the $200
fee to manufacture a short barreled rifle.  When I pressed him about
whether there wasn't any way to change it to be a handgun - by asking
whether a licensed gunsmith could take a lump of steel and carve it
into a handgun receiver and then sell/transfer it as a handgun by
following the legal procedures and paperwork (he agreed that the answer 
was yes) then why couldn't the same smith take a steel rifle receiver
and (by doing nothing) make it into a handgun receiver and then follow
the legal procedures and paperwork sell/transfer it as a handgun
receiver?  He explained that the rules didn't have to make sense in 
this case - but they were the rules.

  I asked him about whether there were any legal work-arounds - and
he said that I needed to talk the the Compliance Division (in another
city).  So I called there - and got the same story - that when the
serial number is affixed it is affixed either as a rifle or a handgun
and that's that.  So I asked some more - and finally he said that there
might be a way around this.  Apparently there is some procedure to
explain why you want to change the registration (my reason was that I
wanted a silhouette handgun which shot a rifle cartridge, and that I
wanted to make it rather than buy it) and the BATF may issue a letter
allowing you to do this.  Then you still have to go through the 
normal procedures/paperwork for buying/transferring a handgun receiver.
He said he didn't know much about this letter, and specifically didn't
know the criteria, but he gave me an address to write to - so I'll
do that soon.

--henry schaffer  n c state univ
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Silencer questions
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:23:24 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

ole@delab.sintef.no (Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen) writes:

#The silencer you have described will work well enough. I have seen
#this design both in .22 and .38, and it seems to me that the
#difference in noise from comemrcial versions are marginal. The volume
#of the silencer and the diameter of the holes in the baffles are
#probably more important.

.38 Auto?
From: kkrh@troi.cc.rochester.edu (K. Karcich)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .303 - .308 conversion
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:13:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: galileo.1992Sep30.180753.9221
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <9209301146.AA19184@logdis1.hq.aflc.af.mil> kknox@logdis1.hq.aflc.af.mil (Kevin P. Knox) writes:

#Recently you wrote:

##From:           "Hal (H.V.) Kauffeldt" <halk@bnr.ca>
##Subject:        HELP WANTED: .303 -> .308 Conversion
##

##Recently, I purchased a used Lee Enfield rifle that had been
##converted from the original .303 to a .308 calbire, by means of a
##replacement barrel.  The rifle still uses the original .303 clip.


#...(much deleted)

#Hal,

#Is your rifle an SMLE?  I was under the impression that the SMLE
#wasn't a very strong action because of its design.  From what I was
#told and from what I've read, this is because of the locking lugs
#being back inside the receiver among other things.  Sorry I can't
#answer your question without generating another, but (if you do have
#an SMLE) is it safe to fire the .308 from that gun to begin with?

#P.S.  If you have a P-14 comversion, please desregard.  They are hard
#(if not impossible) to blow up.  Thanks. --- Kev

The #4 SMLE is sufficiently strong to handle the .308. This model is quite
a bit stronger than the #1 mark III SMLE. The P-14 is not a conversion-it
was manufactured that way before any were made as model 1917's in 30-06.The
P-14 is not impossible to blow up, especially the brittle ones. In fact,
there are more quality questions regarding this models manufacturing integrity
than any of the british enfields. The design of the P-14 is better, but the 
often mis-heattreated and over hardened receivers can be booby traps to the
uninformed.

regds,

Ken Karcich
 

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From: bww@hpqtdlm.sqf.hp.com (Brian Woodroffe)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Breaking in a new barrel, procedure?
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:47:24 GMT

What is the procedure to break in a new barrel?

I am having my ISU-standard rifle (Grunig&Elmiger 308W) rebarreled with a
stainless barrel. Previously I have used "traditional" chrome moly barrels
but this time I thought to pay extra for stainless, and so I would like to
run it in correctly.

Thank you,

Brian Woodroffe
Hewlett-Packard
Scotland.

PS. I found reading about the Palma interresting. Some follow on thoughts:-

1/ The way the value of the pound sterling has taken a nose dive relative
to the dollar suggest to me that the purchase of these Sierra bullets might
be postponed.

2/ Fram what I hear, may be the Sierra ammunition was not up to the
standard the you US shooter expect from handloads. We are used to
sub-standard military ammunition where quality is measured on the group
size of the best 80% of a test group! Therefore we tend to have proceedures
for dealing with variable ammunition. As I understand things the GB team was
careful to characterise the ammo by lot number to be sure of its elevation
settings. Then when a firer had to change batches he was told how much to
change his elevation by. May not be true, just what I heard.

3/ I was surprised to see here in rec.guns that the US team allowed the
US-NRA to get some one who was new to long range shooting to supply all the
barrels. The US has always played the home advantage before. Seing
as US teams can do well at Bisley (UK) it is obvious that you have the
knowledge; not using it would have been stupid in the extreme.  At a very
minimum I would have gone to Krieger and asked for a batch of barrels "like
what he is supplying to the UK."