HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dstein@rhea.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Subject: RE: FIFA proposed changes to (OCEANIA) Southern America
Reply-To: dstein@rhea.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Organization: UCLA, Mathematics Department
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 07:17:17 GMT

  A good indication of which areas are under or over represented is 
to consider the points per team averages.  In these Olympics, they
were:

 Continent   #T  #QP   QP/T   #P    P/T
 ---------------------------------------
    Europe    5   21   4.20   31   6.20
S. America    2    5   2.50    5   2.50
N. America    2    6   3.00    6   3.00
    Africa    3    7   2.33   11   3.67
      Asia    3    6   2.00    6   2.00
 Australia    1    3   3.00    5   5.00

 #T:  number of teams
#QP:  number of points gained during the qualifying round.
 #P:  total number of points gained 

  Remember, these are the Olympics, not the WC.

  Anyway, from the above it seems Europe is slightly under-represented
  in the Olympics, but otherwise the proportions seem well-balanced.

 - David

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From: chun perng cheah <ccheah@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: a simple question...
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:56:37 GMT

In rec.sport.soccer you write:

>While watching my tape of the FA Cup final last night, I realized that there
>is one field marking which I do not understand.  Namely, the arc outside of
>the 18 yard box.  Does this line actually have a purpose, or is it a 
>"traditional" marking which used to have a purpose but no longer does?  As I
>said, a simple question, but one which will bug me until I find out the
>answer...

>Tom Zych   tjz20735@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Tom,- The arc is to ensure that everyone is the same distance from the ball 
when a penalty is taken. Thus, some players won't have an unfair advantage when
trying to get a rebound, if there is indeed one.

CP Cheah
From: leeh7@fel.tno.nl (E.w.a. van Leeuwen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Rule Changes- letter to FIFA
Date: 19 Aug 92 07:13:40 GMT
Organization: TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory

astley@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au () writes:

>levels one mistake can be catastrophic. I firmly believe a fourth 
>official would only be a benefit. With use of a video replay most 
>errors could be overcome and travesties of justice will become a 
>thing of the past. One reason I am in favour of assistance for 

Here we go again. If even we could get an artificial intelligent
computer system to do the trick...

If you look at other sports which do make use of video, you will
see that these will in most cases give problems as well.

During the Olympics several sports did not depend on an immediate
reaction from a referee. However several sports (e.g. cycling and
diving) caused a lot of embarrassing situations, although judges
had all the angles of the view covered and all the time they
needed to come to a decision.

Have you ever seen the Italian computer programme which is able
to let you see whether a goal has been scored or whether it
has been offside or not by animating the situation in the 
most preferable position? At that stage we had the perfect
view, but all popular sport reporters erred when they had to
interpret the situation, not when they saw the situation. 


						Regards,
						
						Ed.

						
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From: jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras)
Subject: English Premier Division results
Keywords: Saturday 15 August, opening day of the season
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 01:54:36 GMT

From the BBC World Service programme (hopefully Tim Chown will post
the Teletext report on Monday).

Before the opening kick-off of the 1992-93 season the bookmakers
gave the following odds for the Premier League title:
Arsenal 9-4, Liverpool 7-2, Leeds 4-1, Man United 4-1.

Opening Day results:

ARSENAL  2  NORWICH  4
Arsenal went 2-0 up at half-time through Bould and Campbell, and
then staged an amazing collapse in the second half. Two goals by
Mark Robbins (signed from Man United last week) and goals by 
Philips and Fox gave Norwich an incredible victory at Highbury.
Arsenal's terrible defending continues where it left off last year, 
already giving George Graham a bad headache.

(what a nightmare, I am gutted and the season has just started).

SHEFFIELD UNITED  2  MANCHESTER UNITED  1
Brian Deane opened the score for the Blades early in the first half
and then added another one early in the second with a penalty kick,
awarded after Pallister tripped Cork. Mark Hughes pulled one back
for Man United but Sheffield held on for the victory.

COVENTRY  2  MIDDLESBROUGH  1
Williams     Wilkinson
Smith

CHELSEA  1  OLDHAM  1
  
EVERTON  1  SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY  1
Horne       Pearson

LEEDS  2  WIMBLEDON  1
Lee Chapman scored with 3 minutes to go to give the champions a late
victory. Chapman also scored Leeds' first goal, while Wimbledon equalised
through an opportunistic shot by Barton.

SOUTHAMPTON  0  TOTTENHAM  0

CRYSTAL PALACE  3  BLACKBURN ROVERS  3
Bright             Ripley
Southgate          Shearer 2
Osborne
Alan Shearer has instant impact with two goals on his debut for Rovers.
Palace snatch a point with a last minute equaliser by Osborne.

IPSWICH  1  ASTON  VILLA  1
   ?        Atkinson


Sunday's game: Nottingham Forest vs. Liverpool
Monday's game: Man. City vs QPR

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From: cbar26@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Subject: SSL-Would you trust these men?
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:45:38 GMT

Having major doubts about the Scottish Super League being championed by the
dynamic duo of Murray and Merger (famous for their love of football), I
realised that as a "Malcontent" my "beloved" BORED at Parkhead had given their
wholehearted support to the proposal.  If this isn't good enough reason to kick
the idea into touch then I don't know what is.

Lets look after our game

Chris
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From: milos@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Bob Milosavljevic)
Subject: Re: BackPass RULE
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:37:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug8.032647.28962@wam.umd.edu> schwartzman@envnet.gsfc.nasa.gov (Gene Schwartzman) writes:
>Now, concerning an earlier statement about offsides being a judgement 
>call.  It's as much a judegement call as let's say.. ummm... goalie
>picking up the ball outside the penalty box.  In other words, there's
>a very strict definition of what must happen in order for offsides to
>be called - THIS IS NOT JUDGEMENT!!  It's very clear... about time
>referees understood that... I know.. I am a ref...
>
>Gene

I beg to differ.

I seem to recall that, in the rulebook's rather lengthy discussion of the
offsides rule, there is a distinction made between "being offsides" and
"being in an offsides position." In order for the former (i.e., the violation)
to occur, the attacking player must be guilty of the latter, AND, in the
JUDGEMENT of the official, the attacker is trying to gain an advantage or is
interfering with the play. If the official JUDGES that neither of the
advantage/interference conditions applies, it's a no-call.
-- 
Bob Milosavljevic
Intermetrics Microsystems Software, Inc.       milos@inmet.com
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From: mehta@watson.bms.com (Pradhyuman Mehta)
Subject: Re: Manchester United
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Bristol Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:54:00 GMT

In article <16849EBA0.074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za>, 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za writes...
>After last night's home defeat to Everton, I think even the most
>ardent of Manchester United fans must admit that United is as
>ordinary as any other team like Halifax Town or Cambridge Utd.
>They are just living in past glory and living in their own illusion.
> 

    I've not heard the result, but before you compare Utd. with the likes of 
H.T. please fill us in on the match itself. A win in football should not 
always be gauged by the score alone, you have to look at the whole match. Let
me clarify, a team can play a great attacking game while the other side are
simply playing for a draw. It could also turn out that one team scores a lucky
goal against the run of play. In such instances the losing team can not be 
compared in the above manner.

    The season is far to young to make such comparisions. I only hope that 
Utd. bounce back and regain their winning form of last season.

Cheers,

Prej. Mehta
From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: FC Tirol
Date: 18 Aug 1992 10:06:15 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
X-Unparseable-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 17:05:44 MET DST

Karel is correct, Danek played for Le Havre the gone season with very little
success and went straight back to Innsbruck after one lost year. The year
before he went to Havre (1990/91) he scored around 30 goals for Tyrol, I
think.

Kent
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: bartjan@cs.kun.nl (Bart-Jan Bouwers)
Subject: Dutch Competition: 2nd div. round 1
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:59:28 GMT


DUTCH COMPETITION: 2nd DIVISION AFTER 1st ROUND
===============================================================================

Results:

NEC - Eindhoven                       1 - 0
VVV - TOP                             5 - 1
ADO Den Haag - AZ                     3 - 4
SC Heerenveen - De Graafschap         3 - 2
Telstar - RBC                         0 - 1
Emmen - Helmond Sport                 2 - 0
Excelsior - Veendam                   0 - 0
FC Zwolle - Heracles                  1 - 1
NAC - Haarlem                         1 - 1


RANKINGS
===============================================================================
   Team          Played    Won    Draw  Lost       Points        Goals
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 1.VVV              1       1      0      0           2           5 -  1
 2.Emmen            1       1      0      0           2           2 -  0
 3.AZ               1       1      0      0           2           4 -  3
 4.SC Heerenveen    1       1      0      0           2           3 -  2
 5.RBC              1       1      0      0           2           1 -  0
 6.NEC              1       1      0      0           2           1 -  0
 7.Haarlem          1       0      1      0           1           1 -  1
 8.Heracles         1       0      1      0           1           1 -  1
 9.NAC              1       0      1      0           1           1 -  1
10.FC Zwolle        1       0      1      0           1           1 -  1
11.Excelsior        1       0      1      0           1           0 -  0
12.Veendam          1       0      1      0           1           0 -  0
13.ADO Den Haag     1       0      0      1           0           3 -  4
14.De Graafschap    1       0      0      1           0           2 -  3
15.Telstar          1       0      0      1           0           0 -  1
16.Eindhoven        1       0      0      1           0           0 -  1
17.Helmond Sport    1       0      0      1           0           0 -  2
18.TOP              1       0      0      1           0           1 -  5

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From: ccx020@cck.coventry.ac.uk (James Nash)
Subject: Re: Arsenal Mural (was Maidstone Utd.)
Organization: abUSENET, Coventry University, Coventry, UK
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 07:58:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.123300.26399@pyra.co.uk> maura@pyra.co.uk (Maura Clark) writes:
>In <0095F459.DB89DE00@vax.nott.ac.uk> ccziec@vax.nott.ac.uk (Stuart Pearce's left foot) writes:
>>On a totally unrelated subject, I saw on breakfast news this morning that
>>Arsenal are going to alter their mural, after complaints from many quarters
>>that there are no black or ethnic minority faces shown in the crowd. There
>>are probably no away fans shown either.
>Or women, for that matter. 
>According to the FT they are going to alter it. Smacks a bit of shutting
>the stable door ....
>Maura.

I thought they would just put up an enormous brick wall so Tony Adams
could feel at home.

Jim.
From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: English News: the kickoff looms
Date: 14 Aug 92 08:18:23 GMT

West Ham star Stuart Slater is set for a move north of the border to join
Celtic in a #1.5 million deal.  The 23-year-old travelled to Glasgow
for talks with Bhoys manager Liam Brady but a deal has not yet been finalised.
Brady played alongside the England B international at Upton Park four
seasons ago and had a #2 million bid rejected by the Hammers last season.
But Billy Bonds needs cash to fund new signings and looks set to let Slater
go, with Brady keen to get his man before Saturday's transfer deadline for
European competitions.

Debt-ridden Maidstone United have had their third division game at Scunthorpe
on Saturday called off by the Football League as their future stays undecided.
League officials took the decision with "great reluctance" after a meeting at
their Lytham St Annes headquarters.  Maidstone, who reportedly owe #650,000,
have just two registered players and are set to be expelled if they cannot
produce a team and a suitable ground.  League president Gordon McKeag said:
"It is apparent Maidstone are unable to fulfil their fixture with Scunthorpe
and we have agreed to a postponement."

Troubled Maidstone United have until Monday to convince the Football League
that they can fulfil Wednesday night's Coca-Cola cup game at Reading.
The Third Division side, said to owe #650,000, are due to play their first
home game with Carlisle the following Saturday but have not yet got a ground.
League president Gordon McKeag said: "We need answers to our questions
before Monday - we want to consider their case on Sunday."
"It is a very unsatisfactory situation with the season starting on Saturday,"
he added.

Middlesbrough striker Andy Payton is set to join Celtic, with Bhoys
defenders Derek Whyte and Chris Morris moving to Ayresome Park in return.

Second Division West Bromwich Albion have signed Wolves goalkeeper Tony
Lange on a free transfer.

GM Vauxhall Conference side Kettering Town have been issued with a winding-up
petition over an unpaid rent bill of #25,000 for the Rockingham Road ground.
The club must pay #12,500 by next month and the balance by October 14 but Chief
Executive Mark English is sure the debt will be cleared after the first hearing

Welsh firm Konica Peter Llewellyn are to sponsor the new League of Wales for
a sum of #50,000. It will be known as the Konica League of Wales.

Colchester United have clinched a five-figure shirt sponsorship deal with
The Sun newspaper. [ha ha ha ha ha ha - Tim]

Chelsea have made their fourth signing of the week by paying out #150,000 for
Manchester United defender Mal Donaghy.

Wimbledon have signed Leyton Orient striker Greg Berry for a fee in excess
of #200,000 and midfielder Vaughan Ryan going to Brisbane Road in exchange.

The Premier League's #304m TV deal with BSkyB has been finalised and the 22
clubs will receive their first #500,000 payments on Friday.

	FRIENDLY

Chesham United   3-2 QPR	(!)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: james@brock.b17b.ingr.com (James Brock)
Subject: Blackburn Rovers
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Keywords: ADDRESS!
Reply-To: James A. Brock, Jr.
Organization: Jungian/Bakthinian Organisation for Dialectical Discourse
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:42:25 GMT

I need the mailing address for the Blackburn Rovers.

Thanks.


Xref: sparky rec.sport.soccer:11292 rec.games.pbm:2369
From: cjr@wan.inf.rl.ac.uk (Chris Robey(trainee with kml))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,rec.games.pbm
Subject: football PBM
Date: 12 Aug 92 08:11:21 GMT
Reply-To: cjr@wan.inf.rl.ac.uk
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: SERC Rutherford Appleton Laboratories

Hello.

I run an established (5 years) football management play by mail game and due to a
dropout I am now looking for another player to manage that team.

Typically, I am looking for a British player, that way I can aviod long distance 
posting hassles, but I will consider foreign players if a Brit is not available.

If you are interested in playing then send me a direct e-mail and I shall send out
some more information. 

Chris

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: mallon@hsi.com (Dan Mallon-Kraft)
Subject: Re: reply to Carlos (long, 1.5 pages)
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:16:18 GMT

In article <2A93D92F.21600@ics.uci.edu> fkhoury@ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.155525.24349@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch) writes:
<
<>     ***-->The sky is blue with white; so GOD is a fan of ARGENTINA**<--
<>           and the King DIEGO ARMANDO MARADONA IS A SPOILED, OVER WEIGHT DRUG
<>           ADDICT, MARADONNA IS HISTORY, THE LITTLY SHITHEAD IS FINALLY OF
<>           THE SCEEN. IT'S TIME FOR BIGGER AND BETTER PLAYERS.
<>
<>hey, incidentally Argentina did not make it to the final in 1982, Italy
<>knocked them out.
<>
<>regards,
<>
<>mario s.
<
<Hey Easy there.  The fact that you don't like Maradona since he is better than
<any player ever born in your country does not give you the right to attack him
<as brutally as you did.  He is a human being just like you.  All human beings
<commit mistakes; but if God will forgive them, it does not really matter
<wether you forgive them or not.

Can you *please* take this junk to e-mail.  It's been going on for days
and you're not resolving it by posting all this name-calling, nationalistic
BS.

Thanks,
Dan
-- 
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 3M Health Information Systems	     {uunet,yale}!hsi!mallon
From: fkhoury@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona)
Subject: MARADONA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:45:38 GMT


Hello everybody.
Can any one e-mail me or post what's up with Diego Maradona?


                                                           Thanx,

                                                           F. J. K.

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From: car@public.BTR.COM (Carlos Rimola-Sarti  car@btr.com)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: FIFA propoesed changes to (OCEANIA) Southern America
Date: 18 Aug 92 04:25:57 GMT
Organization: Connective Strategies, Inc. (CSI).  Mountain View, California

In article <1992Aug12.104438.3802@fuw.edu.pl> michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper) writes:
-In article <1992Aug10.204743.16741@nntp.hut.fi> f36655e@taltta.hut.fi (Kalle Mikkola) writes:
->
->What about Southern America, the part of the world where they play REAL
->soccer with feeling and spirit. In Italy '90 they had four teams and all
->of them qualified to cup matches but still FIFA decided that in US'94 there
->will be only 2-3 teams from Southern America. And >>10 from Europe. Why?
->
-
-I don't agree with your objections. What's South America, apart
-from Brasil and Argentina?  True, they play real soccer (well,
-about Argentina on the last WC, I wouldn't say so), but they
-are just 2 teams...
-
----------------
-
-Michal~ Szleper                        My opinions are my opinions.
-(michals@fuw.edu.pl)                   Quite predictable.

Statements like these simply show your ignorance of the game, its history
and its protagonists, yesterday and today.  

The tiny nation of Uruguay has always been and still is a power in the
the world scene.  They have won two world cups, including the biggest
upset in soccer history when they defeated Brasil in the "Maracanazo"
final in Brasil in 1950.

Countries like Peru and Paraguay and more recently Colombia (no, not
Columbia :-) have also had quite respectable appearances in the international
scene (read world cups).

I suggest you get yourself a good reference book on the history of the game
before making any more comments.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch)
Subject: Re: A bit of moderation is needed
Organization: trunking_fixed
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:34:29 GMT

In article <16q0vaINNlt@agate.berkeley.edu> 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:
>
>For some reason the general tone of this group seemes to have
>escalated to highly unwarranted  levels of acidity. We start
>with the Olympic final and somehow end up discussing what Hit-
>ler did to the Poles; almost every (no matter how slightly) nega-
>tive assesment of Maradona's carreer is answered with a barage of
>insults and invitations to get a life.Even more alarming, issues
>of the type "my team is better than yours" (see the recent Egypt
>vs Ghana and the Rest Of The World) dominate what was meant to
>be a gentlemanly exchange of information and views. What our group
>mostly looks like at this particular point in time is rec.sport.
>psychopats, folks.....
>
>Cheers!
> 
>-- 
>Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
>Department of Economics
>

I say, Let everyone speak their mind, then we will get to the
buttom of it all.

regards,

mario s.
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