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Date: Thursday, 30 Jul 1992 15:03:10 CET
From: RENE ZANDBERGEN <RZANDBER@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Korg 03 R/W

Hello all,

I am contemplating the purchase of a sound module, mainly interested
in preset sounds of acoustic instruments. Very realistic brass, wood
piano and strings are my first interest. I was looking at the Sound
Canvas, which has a very high quality/price ratio. But the piano
is a bit bright, most of the strings have a bit too much 'attack'
if that's the right expression, and the saxophones are marginal also.
On the whole, it is very impressive though.

Last week I first heard the Korg 03 R/W, and was pleasantly surprised.
Here in Germany it is not quite twice the price of the SC (2090 DM
as opposed to 1200), but the samples are much more realistic and
have a great response to velocity. It does not have all the
different drum sets of the SC (it has one though) and only one or
two sound effects. On the other hand there should be more
sound editing possibilities.

I am curious to hear any comments from anybody who has been looking at
the same two instruments. Also, the experiences from any Korg 03
owners, as I am definitely leaning towards that one. What is the
programmability of this instrument? What effects can be used?
The PR leaflet I have does not tell me much about that.

Thanks in advance for any information. Should I get sufficient input
I'll post a summary about everybody's appreciation of the Korg 03.

Rene Zandbergen

RZANDBER at ESOC.BITNET
From: metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Followup to my SY99/mega synth searches
Summary: If you don't like gratuitous jokes, hit 'n' now
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:26:59 GMT
Organization: Atomic City

In article <1992Jul26.175158.21741@ads.com> jtn@ADS.COM (John T. Nelson) writes:
>This weekend I paid a return visit to Wave Wankers, that local music
>store of mine to check out the new K2000.  To tell you the truth I
>wasn't impressed by this one.  I don't know what you folks see in it,
>But here's what's really exciting...
>I tried out the Korg 01/W Pro and was VERY impressed.

BZZZZZT sorry, Mr. Nelson, there went your credibility. Please take your
crushed harpsichords with you when you leave, and close the door on your way
out. Thank you.

>Boy if the 01/W had RAM I could download samples into I'd buy it in a
>heartbeat.

Boy, you'd better either stop your heart or whip out your checkbook--
the 01/WPro series have user-loadable RAM, I think, bringing them onto
a par with the T series in that regard. Or is my stack set wrong?

>That Korg 01/w.... ooooooooooo YEAH!

Well, I have now, in my usual arrogant and overgeneralized manner, 
pigeonholed Mr. Nelson in a neat little classification....

>- John (aka Dark Hacker)

The prosecution rests. |->


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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: ladasky@netcom.com (John J. Ladasky II)
Subject: Re: Live Performance Question
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 16:53:13 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul30.005615.24025@intelhf.hf.intel.com> johnb@intelhf.hf.intel.com (John Bielaszewski) writes:
>Suppose you have two keyboard/controllers and a rack
>full of synthesizer modules. How you control
>a setup like this during a live performance. That is, how do
>you change the routings of keyboards to modules, and the
>individual module patchs in realtime? I could imagine
>that you might want to change the routings/patches for each 
>song and even for different sections of a single song. 

	The short answer is that you add a computer to your system, and write
a program that does the job!  I have never seen a commercial package that 
accomplishes the task of real-time performance routings and program changes.
In the next six months or so, I expect to write such a beast for my Atari ST.

	The long answer would depend on the specific equipment in your rig.
How much of the program-change mapping can you accomplish with mapping tables
inside your synth?  Do you have multiple MIDI-outs on the back of either of
your keyboards?  What's that, you say you don't want a one-to-one correspon-
dence between patches on various synths?  Oh well, back to the computer idea.

	Does anyone out there own an Axxess MIDI Mapper?  This is a dedicated
computer that I thought was able to handle a lot of these kinds of tasks -
but as I have never seen one, much less used one, I invite some netter to
fill in the knowledge void that I have opened...

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: lieblm@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Martin Liebl)
Subject: Re:      Re: M1 controller pedal info
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, West Germany
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 06:43:30 GMT
Reply-To: lieblm@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Martin Liebl)

In article <SYNTH-L%92072916294350@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU>,         Greg Johnson <CCGREG@MIZZOU1.BITNET> writes:
|> On Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:50:28 GMT Ian said:
|> >Can anyone tell me what is inside a controller footpedal for the
|> >Korg M1? The genuine Korg pedal over here is quite expensive.
|> 
|> Worse, the genuine article covers too much dynamic range at one end leaving
|> too little for the rest of the pedal travel.  It's a simple rheostat, one
|> side of a pot.  I never got around to building one, but I did plot the ideal
|> resistances for a Korg M1 or T pedal:
...
|> program's and combi's to recognize the pedal as volume control.  No global
|> for this.  Hmm, maybe that's why I never warmed up my soldering iron....

Hey, that is not right:
The M1 has two jacks for foot controllers and each of them can be assigned
to control volume, effect, or some other stuff; this works only for the
global midi channel of the M1. In combi mode you can switch off the controlling 
for each part. The M1 was the first (?) keyboard which offered this flexibility
for foot controllers (just think of the damper switch polarity parameter)
***This was not written by a KORG fan***just to get things right***

Now to Ian's problem:

The M1 pedal does contain a poti and nothing more (like every of these pedals).
So try this:
You`ve got two mono jacks(pedal) and one stereo jack(M1). There are only a few
sense-making possibilities to connect them. Why don't you just try them ?!
this is the way i handle these problems; i am not willing to buy a new set of
pedals every time I get a new keyboard.
If there's problems with the impedance, you'll see if you can live with it.


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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: mhall@amiganet.chi.il.us (Mike Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Looking for a good price on a used Kurzweil 150 FS...
Date: 26 Jul 92 22:25:12 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

Hi, all!  I have an opportunity to buy a used Kurzweil 150 FS (their
Fourier Synthesizer).  They're asking $600 - and I'm asking "is that
about right?".  I know there's spiffier stuff that one can get for less,
but that's not the point (I think).  What should a K150FS go for?


--
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mhall@amiganet.chi.il.us
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Organization: University of Missouri-Columbia Campus Computing, 314-882-2000
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:03:40 CDT
From:         Greg Johnson <CCGREG@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: M1 controller pedal info
Comments: To: Ian Crighton <ipc@OTTER.HPL.HP.COM>

On Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:50:28 GMT Ian said:
>Can anyone tell me what is inside a controller footpedal for the
>Korg M1? The genuine Korg pedal over here is quite expensive.

Worse, the genuine article covers too much dynamic range at one end leaving
too little for the rest of the pedal travel.  It's a simple rheostat, one
side of a pot.  I never got around to building one, but I did plot the ideal
resistances for a Korg M1 or T pedal:

 pedal back (level=0)          = 25K-50K ohms
 pedal 1/4 down (level=32)     = 12K ohms
 pedal 1/2 down (level=64)     =  9K ohms
 pedal 3/4 down (level=96)     =  5K ohms
 pedal full volume (level=128) =  0 - 2K ohms

Some other manufacturer's pedals increase resistance in the other direction.
Many have a 3 conductor potentiometer so they can be used either way.  Take
an ohmmeter to a music store and see if they have any orphan or inexpensive
pedal that fits the above curve, or at least has a maximum resistance of
around 25K-30K ohms.  Then you'll have the fun of changing your M-1
program's and combi's to recognize the pedal as volume control.  No global
for this.  Hmm, maybe that's why I never warmed up my soldering iron....
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Skinny Puppy MIDI song files
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 11:15:12 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Dark Park

	
	Does anyone have any MIDI songfiles for Skinny Puppy? Is there an
archive site for such things? 



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From: harnden@auvm.bitnet (Ronin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: musicbox
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:02:08 GMT
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center

does anyone here know what the last version is of 
john dunne's MUSICBOX program, and where to get it?
i think i've got version 2. i love it, and am curious
as to whether it ever evolved further.
please reply direct to HARNDEN@AUVM.BITNET or
HARNDEN@AMERICAN.EDU.
thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: nastasi@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (joseph.l.nastasi)
Subject: Pro 5 on a Classic?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:46:24 GMT
Keywords: sequencer, Passport, Classic

Hello out there,

I have a Mac Classic 4/40 running system 6.0.7 and I've been using
Passport's Master Tracks Pro 4, very happily for a couple of years.
I want to upgrade to Pro 5, but I'm concerned that the additional
features may have slowed performance to an unusable level on a Classic.
(I'm praying that they didn't pull a Microsoft and changed Pro 
into the "Word" of sequencers, feature-laden and useless on 68000's!)
My music is not very dense (well, there aren't tons of notes played
all at once, anyway :-) and I've never had problems with Pro 4.
Anybody using Pro 5 on a Classic?  I'd even appreciate rumors!

Thank you, very very much!
Joe Nastasi
From: will.Roch803@XEROX.COM
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Looking for info: Ensoniq KS-32
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:23:52 GMT
Reply-To: will.Roch803@xerox.com

Received: by alpha.isdl (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA04966; Tue, 28 Jul 92 09:23:32 EDT

A friend of mine recently played an Ensoniq KS-32 and liked it quite a bit.
The salesperson didn't have much info on it, though.  Does anyone have any
technical info on it....programmability, ability to add ROM samples, voice
architecture, disk drive or lack thereof, controller features, etc?

The salesperson said that the list was $2195 and that he would sell one for
$1895. Since it was a new, "hot" product, the demand was high and the discount
slight.

Any additional info would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Will Weidman
will.roch803@xerox.com
Xref: sparky rec.music.synth:12841 rec.music.makers:8627
From: don@ohm.york.ac.uk (Don Goodeve)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Survey on digital recording
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:01:36 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

In <154i7vINN5v8@network.ucsd.edu> simon@ivem.ucsd.edu (Simon Lee) writes:

>1. has or would consider purchasing a home digital work station?
>etc....

>This survey is for me to see what path the music industry has gone
>and where it will go in the future as far as recording goes.  If people
>really are turning digital like the magazines say.

Well, as part of a survey you may want to see the other side of the
coin...

I am an amateur muzo, relying on mostly single voice and Guitar.
From my point of view I rarely do any multitracking - when I do
it is over a restricted number of channels. Usually I just
acoustically record. My recording equipment consists of a Sony
WMD-6C and an Audio Technica AT9450 (I think I have that number
right. At about 250 quid (x2 for $) for the WM6-DC and about
50 for the Mic. This setup has made some superb recordings.
Analogue recordings of course.

Digital equipment is currently more expensive and to me has some
significant technical drawbacks (limited playback lifetime of
DAT) and also it does not seem to sound as good. The open, lively
accoustic feel of guitar music seems to get replaced with a
very clinical and bright sound - but without the life.

I have had several lively discussions on this point with people
who both swear by digital and swear about digital. The consensus
appears to be that much of the problem with digital equipment lies
with the accuracy of timing in the front-end A/D. So unless you
are prepared to spend a LOT OF CASH on this part of the system
(not that money necassarily reflects quality, but if you look in
the right place it may...) then you may be losing something.

Yes, you are right. I am dedicated to analogue. No one has yet
demonstrated to me a digital system that sounds as good as an
analogue system. Noise levels really do not seem to come into
it that much. I would rather have noise and life in recorded
music than lose both.(grammar??)

I dont know whether this is an answer, it may be time to
put on my flame-proof undergarments... 

Oh well,
	Cheers
		Don

Personally, I can see no reason to change from my current
recording set up. But then I am not intending to release
records with it. But remember Michelle Shocked and the 
Texas campfire recordings. That was also done on a 
WMD-6C. I am not alone....

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|Don Goodeve		email: don@uk.ac.york.ohm |
|Adaptive Systems       tel : (+44) 904 432381    |
|Electronics Dept.      fax : (+44) 904 432335    |
|University of York  -----------------------------    
|UK                 | Give it to the Softboys....
 -------------------  
If only life were in an open D tuning...

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:42:26 EST
From:         Jon Crystal <OFABJC@UVMADMIN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Trigger > MIDI converter
              23 Jul 1992 21:27:21 EDT from
              <markp@NONCOMF.TDKCS.WATERLOO.ON.CA>

Mark:  Doesn't the X7000 already have the capacity to be triggered from a stand
ard foot switch? I don't think you need any converter.
Organisation: European Space Technology Centre (E.S.T.E.C)
Date: Monday, 27 Jul 1992 16:43:16 CET
From: <ATONI@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,
Subject:    -- GLIB on ATARI-STE --

Hi,
Has anybody tried to compile succesfully , the generic librarian editor
program GLIB (at ucsd.edu) on an ATARI ST/STE  ???
If Yes ... what compiler have you used ??

What is the format of a glib patch ?? .. Why the size of a raw bulk-dump
from a generic  synthesizer is different from (for example) the one
created with a specific Program editor ??  (The D110 .. for example
or the TX81Z .. ).

Is there any GLIB experts on the net ... or somebody frustrated enough
(like me !!) that has spend ages to get it to work ??


Thanks in advance .. for any infos !

Ciao  Andrea TONI ATONI@ESTEC.BITNET                   ENV  ENV  ENV
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From: rej@bob.sal.wisc.edu (Randy Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Skinny Puppy MIDI song files
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:18:51 GMT
Organization: Friends of Ted Milton

markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher) writes:
>	
>	Does anyone have any MIDI songfiles for Skinny Puppy? Is there an
>archive site for such things? 

Why, sure. The tracks make heavy use of the IGMIDI (Industrial General MIDI)
extensions to the GMIDI standard, naturally. It's a good thing that IGMIDI 
is so comprehensive, because the songfiles just wouldn't do the original music
justice without such definitions as instrument 912 (chainsaw), instrument 1692
(Oberheim synthbass w/ Big Muff distortion) and instrument 4193 ("ta-take
out my stomach, my kidneys...").

To play IGMIDI files, you need either Roland's Sound Abattoir or the
Proteus 4/Angst. The Roland is cheaper but the samples on the 4/Angst 
are done much better. Especially the stereo Burroughs stuff, a nice touch.

-- 
| Randy Jones           |  Don't get me wrong, he's a nice guy,
| rej@bob.sal.wisc.edu  |  I like him just fine.
| 608 259 0311          |  But he's a mouth breather...
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music
From: beltran@ns.network.com (Tony R. Beltran)
Subject: Re: Please help QUICK! M1 or SQ80? Urgent...
Organization: Network Systems Corporation
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 14:10:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.134252.14691@ns.network.com> beltran@ns.network.com (Tony R. Beltran) writes:
>In article <177@quad.sialis.com> dts@quad.sialis.com (David Sandberg) writes:
>[comments deleted -- see original post for these]
>>at the moment.  (The M1 sequencer is certainly useless, though.)
>>
>>-- 
>>                  _ david sandberg _ dts@quad.sialis.com _
>
>Just a comment on the observation about the M1 sequencer.  I don't have
>an M1, but I do know several people who do.  Among them is a person who
>has a Masters degree in music and can play many instruments very well
>as a result of years of hard work.  He is a very capable composer and
>arranger.  He has an M1 and I have heard him do excellent work using
>just the M1 with its sequencer.  It seems to me that while a lot of 
>good music can certainly be made with the "right" equipment (whatever
>it may be this week), there is no substitute for real learned ability
>on multiple families and a thorough grounding in music principles to
>make a piece of useless equipment give account of itself.
>
>Tony
>
>

Oops...I meant to say that there is no substitute for real learned
ability (technique, etc) on multiple families of instruments (brass,
woodwind, keyboards, etc), inferring that an understanding of the
use of the real instrument leads to a more coherent rendition of it
in a sequence.  I don't claim to have all these abilities in any
measure, but I have heard what can be done by those who do.

Tony
From: wcrane@ecst.csuchico.edu (Walter Joseph Crane)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Is there a D50 ed/lib shareware for Mac?
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:26:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: California State University, Chico

I would like to have one if it's avalible. Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Walt-o-man
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: thart@cix.compulink.co.uk (Toby Hart Dyke)
Subject: Re: Why are there synths?
Reply-To: thart@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:17:49 +0000

>
>>bollocks
>>
>
>Hey! what's this, .... Oh no! have I been (gasp) FFLLAAMMEEDD?!?!?!?!?

      No, no, no! Oh god, I've just embarassed myself in front of the net!
I hope you've seen my previous posting grovelling. I was just testing my
setup to check that the editor was being called properly, and yours just
*happened* to be the message I tested it on. Being Mr adult-mature, I just
typed (ahem) "bollocks". I checked the file was saved OK, then er, forgot
to delete it! What an arsehole (Me! Not you!)
>
>Well Mr "Bollocks", you're not going to get away so easy.

Oh shit...

>Seriously though, simply replying "bollocks" to someone's posting is not
>adult discussion. Would you please elaborate.

I know, :-) it's not even adult-testing-of-news-reader-software.

>
>Waiting,
>
>Ross-c
>
Forgive me?


       Toby Hart Dyke       thart@cix.compulink.co.uk


PS I live in London - if you need something checked out down in the civilised
South :-))))  I owe you one.....
From: metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: SY99 has no peers?
Summary: About the K2000
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:50:56 GMT
Organization: Atomic City

In article <1992Jul23.052106.11655@ads.com> jtn@ADS.COM (John T. Nelson) writes:
>Ya know considering that at least half a dozen people have recommended
>the K2000 as an option I guess I should take the hint and listen to one
>of these although I did test drive the K1000 a couple years ago and
>just about tossed my cookies.

No comparison at all. They're two completely different machines; the
1000 series has some distancing tools for its samples, but they're 
not terribly intuitive and most people don't use them extensively.
The 2000 is designed for editable sounds from the ground up.

>I don't want just a sampler though... I like the idea of combining
>synthesis techniques with samples (like the aaaaaaahhh..... SY99).
>Someone mentioned that the K2000 could do synthesis via algorithms in
>software somehow.  Maybe worth a lookat.

Yes, the 2000 can do this. Better than any other machine out there,
actually. You start with samples or synthesized waveforms, and combine
and manipulate them by stringing together sound processing algorithms
in series and parallel. I'm looking forward to having one for a long
trial period soon, with an experienced user to help me along the 
learning curve. Who knows, maybe John 3 won't be the ONLY one singing
the 2000's praises soon. If it's as good as he says it is, I may sell
most of the rest of my rig to get one. (But then again, he just got
rid of his Xpander, so there's no accounting for his tastes. |-> )


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Xref: sparky rec.music.synth:12767 rec.music.makers:8582 alt.music.progressive:1524
From: c60a-zg@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Martin Guerrero-LabA)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers,alt.music.progressive
Subject: Will the real ALT.MUSIC.PROGRESSIVE please stand up!
Date: 28 Jul 92 07:36:14 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

Personally, I don't think Kansas, Genesis, Queensryche, etc. belong
in the alt.music.progressive.

Why was this newsgroup created in the first place?