HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.music.makers.* groups
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:45:57 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In article <BtpH40.2Mx@uunet.uu.net> rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) writes:
[Some interesting ideas for new music newsgroups.]

But then...
>Proposal E: Rename rec.music.synth to rec.music.makers.keyboards
>Charter: "Synthesizer, sampler, and other keyboard techniques and equipment"

	I strongly disagree with this idea.

	A synthesizer is not a "keyboard."  It's a synthesizer.  There are
dozens of models of synthesizer that do not have a keyboard attached.  There
are thousands of musicians who play synthesizers without keyboards:
percussionists, guitarists, wind instrument players, people using
sequencers, and people doing direct-digital synthesis, to name a few.

	In addition, many topics discussed in rec.music.synth are not
"keyboard" issues:  MIDI, sequencers, synthesis methods, sampling, etc.
They are music-data communication and synthesis issues.

>The discussion has now broadened to include samplers, organs,
>pianos, and other keyboard instruments.

	Samplers are not keyboards.  They are samplers.  Just ask anyone
using a rackmount sampler, or a PC add-on card that does sampling.

	IMHO, this name change would not "broaden" the discussion -- it
would change it, or even narrow it, to keyboard-related issues.
Furthermore, even if the name change did not affect the discussion in any
negative way, it would still reinforce the (popular but false) idea that
the words "keyboard" and "synthesizer" are equivalent.

	Finally, in the past 7 years of reading rec.music.synth, I have seen
virtually no discussion of pianos and organs, except occasionally the
Hammond B-3 (and even then, in the context of Keith Emerson), or "Hey, dood,
anybody got a great piano patch for my synth?"

	I will agree that "rec.music.synth" is perhaps not the ideal
name for the newsgroup.  But "rec.music.makers.keyboard" is not an
appropriate name for r.m.s's subject matter.  I wouldn't mind if a
new, separate newsgroup emerged for the discussion of pianos, organs,
and keyboard performance technique.

	I did like some of the other proposed newsgroups, though.

                                                        Dan

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From: scoile@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Steve Coile)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.sf.babylon5
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:27:07 GMT
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.

Just to be consistant with the naming standards, can we put this group under
rec.arts.sf.tv?

 Steve "Stevers!" Coile                    scoile@gmuvax[{.BITNET|[2].gmu.edu}]
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From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart)
Subject: Re: Gateway for USENET <--> Internet Mailing List
Originator: dslg0849@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 11:48:20 GMT

d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) writes:

> How can a bidirectional gateway be set up between an Internet mailing
> list and a USENET newsgroup?  Also, is there a unidirectional gateway
> which forwards email to an arbitrary newsgroup?  I looked through
> about 10 FAQ files before posting this note.  Where is this information
> available?

D'oh!  Gene Spafford's news.answers usenet-faq says:

> 43. Is it possible to post messages to the Usenet via electronic mail?
>
>     There are a few sites on the Usenet that offer a full-scale mail
>     to news gateway, so that you can post via E-mail to any newsgroup
>     support.
>
>     The most well-known gateway of this sort is ucbvax.berkeley.edu.
>     To post a message to the Usenet through that gateway, you take
>     the name of the newsgroup to which you want to post and convert
>     all of the periods to dashes, and use that as the address to
>     which to send your message.  For example, to post a message to
>     news.newusers.questions, you would mail it to
>     news-newusers-questions@ucbvax.berkeley.edu.
>
>     Please do not use this service if you have other posting access
>     to the Usenet.

Also, someone emailed me that cs.utexas.edu works.  Thanks to those who
responded!

Daniel Lewart
d-lewart@uiuc.edu
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From: jamesb@nevada.edu (James Bender)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.music.makers.* groups
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 00:31:19 GMT


	I think we should leave well enough alone.

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* From: James B     * "Life is a diamond you turn into dust."                 *
* jamesb@nevada.edu *                                       -- N. Peart       *
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From: hooverb@h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Bruce Hoover,Armstrong)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.abstract
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:39:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Originator: hooverb@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu

From article <17las7INNoe5@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU>, by plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joe Six-pack):
> 
>    The name doesn't strike me as intuitive, even after reading the
> whole article.
>

I don't think it is supposed to be INTUITIVE... I think it is supposed
to be suitably high-brow so as to scare off any of the grungy "gamer"
type who might otherwise infiltrate the group and "occupy" it. (not my
words... but didn't the poster who said that "no one who played games
blah,blah, and blah would EVER consider themself to be a GAMER, didn't
that sound just a triffle elitist?)

I am not opposed (in principle) to having groups to meet different
gaming needs. But I do the resent the attitude which seems te be present
here; i.e. that some games are "better" and by implication, so are the
players. If you don't think this attitude exists, then re-read some of
the posts of "wading through" posts and several adjectives used to
describe the war gamer's occupation/takeover/domination/whatever of the
current group.

Bruce Hoover
From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart)
Subject: Re: Vote change?
Originator: dslg0849@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:58:27 GMT

d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) writes:

> I am running a CFV for a new newsgroup.  One person voted "No" and made
> a comment.  I replied to the comment.  Now, that person would like to
> change their vote to "Yes".  Is this okay?

Anonymous 1 replies:

> No. It is ok for someone to change their vote, of course, but not
> for the vote taker to attempt to convince them to do so. Replying to
> no votes is not proper behaviour for the vote taker.

Anonymous 2 replies:

> Yeah, vote changes are typically allowed.  Last vote counts.

J Lee Jaap <jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov> replies:

> I think the last vote received from a person is the one that
> counts, if not stated otherwise in the CFV.  This allows
> people to change their minds, which can happen over the
> long time of a vote.

I made no attempt to convince the voter to change their vote.  However,
to avoid controversy, I will leave the vote as a "No".  I think this
should be spelled out in "GUIDELINES FOR USENET GROUP CREATION".

Thank you,
Daniel Lewart
d-lewart@uiuc.edu
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.sf.tv.blakes7
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:58:20 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite) writes:

>In article <BtpH33.2KD@uunet.uu.net> ramsey@cua.edu (Betsy Ramsey) writes:
>>This is a Request For Discussion about a proposed new group
>>rec.arts.sf.tv.blakes7, the purpose of which would be to discuss the
>>British science-fiction television show _BLAKES 7_.  Some preliminary
>>discussion has already taken place in rec.arts.tv.uk and alt.config.
>>

>A bit of a mouthfull ain't it ???

>why not just plain rec.arts.blakes7 like Star Trek is rec.arts.startrek

    Well, first off r.a.sf.tv.blakes7 would be the correct name for the
group if it were to exist in the mainstream hierarchies. Secondly, how
in the world can you compare this with Star Trek and the r.a.startrek.*
sub-hierarchy?

>Or alt.tv.blakes7 similar to alt.tv.red-dwarf or alt.tv.twin-peaks

    This is the only group that makes any sense.


--
-Hades (Brian V. Hughes) 
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						   -- Durlock Holmes
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From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.sf.babylon5
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:14:55 GMT

Troy> == Troy A Rutter <techy@iastate.edu> 

 Troy> Babylon 5 is a new Science Fiction television program that is being
 Troy> produced by Warner Brothers domestic television, and will be
 Troy> premiering this fall or early next year.
[...]
 Troy> Until the show airs, discussion will be fairly limited.  But once the
 Troy> season gets started, I am fairly positive that interst will arrise.

Why not discuss it in rec.arts.sf.tv until it generates enough traffic
to justify its own newsgroup?

It seems that the only traffic until the show starts will be the FAQ and
queries "what is Babylon 5"...and who knows whether there'll be traffic
later?
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From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.abstract
Date: 3 Sep 1992 15:57:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


nicholso@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Melvin H. Nicholson YBH) says:

>Without exception, the entire charter of this group governs a subset of
>the material for rec.games.board.  The group r.g.b has a reletively low

Yes, but calling it r.g.b.abstract would exclude future
 deterministic games with no board.  BTW, where is the
 appropriate place to discuss Icehouse?  (Also, is it
 still sold?  Email all Icehouse replies)

>with complaint from the group as a whole.  I fear that any such group as
>rec.games.abstract will detract from r.g.b, and for that reason alone my

Please explain how it would "detract".  

>Furthermore, I have an objection to the vague title of the board.
>Civilization is an abstract game, but it certainly does not seem to be

Civilization, Diplomacy, etc, are certainly NOT abstract.
 The board + the playing pieces intend to represent actual
 earthly objects + people.  They attempt to simulate reality.
 Abstract games do not deal in reality -- pieces are mainly
 just pieces, the board is mainly just a board.  The level
 of symbolism is very low.

I support r.b.abstract, pretty much as it was written.
-- 
Francis A. Uy			now a Bawlmorean, hon.
Program Director, WUMD		ISO part time job to pay the rent.
From: hauer@beggs.ecn.purdue.edu (Corey Hauer)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: misc.forsale.computers RFD
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:32:53 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

I am TOTALLY opposed to splitting this newsgroup.  The volume isn't THAT high
and many of us are interested in many different things for many systems.  I
feel the c.s.*.marketplace groups should pacify those who are only looking
at stuff for a particular platform.

-Corey
From: gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: rec.bicycle.mtb
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:33:02 GMT
Organization: Megadodo Publications, Light City, Ursa Minor Beta

andre@avalanche.Canada.Sun.Com (Andre Giroux - SSS Sun Montreal) writes:

>what is going on with rec.bicycle.mtb  !!!!!
>
>any split/news/denials ??
>pls update

I haven't seen much, but I know I disagree with the choice of name.  I'd
rather see it be:

        rec.bicycles.mountain

than use the cryptic "mtb" abbreviation, even in the context of
"bicycles".  Enough people have already asked "What's mtb?  A typo of
MTV?" to show that it is flawed.

>Andre Giroux , Software support specialist , SUN Microsystems
>andre.giroux@canada.sun.com

-- gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)

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From: Mathias.Koerber@sniap.mchp.sni.de (Mathias Koerber)
Subject: Re: Splitting news.groups?
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf AG
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 17:35:11 GMT

In article <K5UI6VK@taronga.com> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
| 
| How about splitting by phase: a group for brainstorming, a group for RFDs,
| a group for CFV flames^H^H^H^H^Hdiscussions, and a group for mop-up?
| -- 

Second that:

news.groups.brainstorm:		General talk and blabber
news.groups.d:			everything from RFD onwards
news.newgroups.announce:	just as it is..results etc

RFDs /etc can still be posted to all three groups, but with
followup set to n.g.d


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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: misc.forsale.computers RFD
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:34:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to newsnews@qedqcd.rye.ny.us (News Acct. 1):
>	misc.forsale.computers.pc.clone         [imb clone systems]

Unless you're looking for "m.f.c.pc.ibm" in future, I'd suggest that
this group be named "m.f.c.pc-clone".
-- 
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   "Do Rush place weird subliminal backmasked messages in their songs to
 compel unwilling geeks to commit evil .sig atrocities?"  -- Dean Engelhardt
From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: Removal of Unused Newsgroups
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:49:47 GMT
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.


I don't understand the purpose in 'the orderly removal of newsgroups'.

I suppose there is a need for a mechanism for having a newsgroup removed.

But I have a problem with a simple 2/3 majority.  This means if 2 people
vote for removal and one votes no, or only one person votes yes and no one
votes no, that the group gets deleted.  That doesn't make any sense.  The
100 vote rule should be in effect* for the vote to be valid.

*Actually, the 100 vote rule should in all cases REALLY be 100 site/votes -
if 1500 users from ucbvax.berkeley.edu all voted to remove all sysv groups 
and 500 folk from the rest of the net voted to keep it, I would not be
in favor of seeing the group removed!


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From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.international
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:34:15 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Jyrki Kuoppala (jkp@cs.HUT.FI) writes:
>That comp.std.internat has little traffic is not the point.  That
>group is for international standards, and thus it probably is
>considered inappropriate by many to discuss other internationalization
>issues in that group and doing that could well cause many flames.
>
>People intertested in international standards are a different group
>from people interested in internationalization.  There may be some
>overlap, but I don't think there's enough to discussion
>internationalization in a group for standards.

Historically, the group was born as net.internat. It "parent"
group was rather net.nlang (today's sci.lang). When the great 
renaming took place it was put under comp.std for some reason.
Maybe because that at that time, internationalization was more
an issue of standards than actually doing it.

If we were really ambitious we should maybe rename comp.std.internat
to something else, but would it be worth the trouble?

-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
"Recreation of source code from design documentation can be costly"
IEEE Std 1042/1987
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From: quirk@pioneer.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk)
Subject: Re: Splitting news.groups? Re: RESULT: talk.politics new groups all fail
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 21:59:43 GMT
Organization: Space and Planetary Image Facility

In article <K5UI6VK@taronga.com> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>How about splitting by phase: a group for brainstorming, a group for RFDs,
>a group for CFV flames^H^H^H^H^Hdiscussions, and a group for mop-up?

Diddn't this idea crop up during the aftermath of the sf-lovers'
meltdown?  I believe that it was shot down because it would require
people subscribe to all the groups eventually for every
RFD/CFV/Flame^H^H^H^H^Haftermath discussion they wished to participate
in...

>Peter da Silva, Taronga Park BBS, Houston, TX  +1 713 568 0480/1032


-- 
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From: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: misc.boycotts.announce moderated, misc.boycotts.misc
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:21:36 GMT
Organization: Computing Center, Mississippi State University

In article <1992Sep1.015811.30347@m.cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) says:
: Jyrki Kuoppala <jkp@cs.hut.fi> writes:
: 
: [...]
: >The groups:
: [...]
: >misc.boycotts.announce	Announcements of boycotts. (Moderated)
: [...]
: 
: I think the idea of a newsgroup about boycotts is excellent, but I'm
: uneasy at the idea of a moderated announce newsgroup.
: 
: I'm not just worried about a "bad" moderator who would be biased in
: what he or she announced. I'm worried about not being able to
: criticize a boycott call in the same newsgroup in which it appears.

That is one of the goals.  Messages would be posted to the announce
group with followups to an appropriate discussion group (presumably the
misc group in this case).  The primary reason for an announce group is
so that people not interested in a lot of discussion on a topic can
still see important announcements related to the topic (and go to the
appropriate discussion group for more information if they want).
Allowing discussions in an announce group defeats the purpose of having
the group in the first place.

Looking at my active file it appears that almost all of the announce
groups are moderated.
--
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Subject: Re: RFD: misc.boycotts.announce moderated, misc.boycotts.misc
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 1 Sep 92 08:53:29 EST
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <BtvJvo.JKB@uunet.uu.net>, Jyrki Kuoppala <jkp@cs.hut.fi> writes:
> This is a request for discussion regarding creation of two newsgroups
> for discussions and announcements on and of boycotts.
> 
> The groups:
> 
> misc.boycotts.announce	Announcements of boycotts. (Moderated)

	Unworkable.  Where are you going to find someone that both (say)
anti-abortion and pro-choice people would approve of to handle (say) clinic
protests/protection?
	Plus, you run the danger of having a one-sided propaganda machine a la
m.a.p

> A moderated group containing announcements of boycotts.
> 
> misc.boycotts.misc	Discussion on boycotts.

	alt.activism[.d]  misc.activism.progressive for leftist boycotts. 
Perhaps misc.activism.conservative is really the group that is needed? :)

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From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joe Six-pack)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.abstract
Keywords: perfect-information deterministic strategic no-dice
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:48:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu


   The name doesn't strike me as intuitive, even after reading the
whole article.
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
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From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.society.acad-freedom.news, comp.society.acad-freedom.talk
Originator: kadie@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:35:11 GMT

Jyrki Kuoppala <jkp@cs.hut.fi> writes:

[...]
>comp.society.acad-freedom.news	News concerning academic freedom
[...]
>comp.society.acad-freedom.talk	Discussions on academic freedom
[...]

I support this suggestion because many campuses (especially, I think,
those with computers and academic freedom problems) don't get alt.*
groups.

- Carl
-- 
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 =kadie@eff.org, kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
From: rueggan@toz.buffalo.ny.us (rueggan])
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Visual Basic forums
Date: 29 Aug 92 04:47:28 GMT
Organization: The Tower of Zot - (716)691-3865


        I'm here at TOZ, and would like to persuade my sysop to pick up 
any Visual Basic news feeds that were available, the only thing is that I 
dont know of any.  If you do please mail me with them so I can ask him 
about picking them up...
        Thank you for your help...

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