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From: Kimmo.Ketolainen@utu.fi (Kimble)
Subject: Re: Spaceballs (the demo)
Organization: The Royal Imperial Mutual Alliance Consolidated Insurance Co Ltd
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:54:39

ggranger@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Greg Granger) wrote:

> I agree tenfold.  That guy should be considered lucky that a few of the 
> members of Skid Row were nice enough to debug those demos to make them 
> work on the 68030 machines.  He'd better stop his little childish 
> incantations.  A word to the wise, Walter, "Grow the f*** up!!!!!"  There 
> may not be a next time that these demos will be debugged by people like 
> Skid Row.

I suggest that in the next major competition there would be a bonus for
compatibility.  For example, all demos would compete just as before, no
compatibility  needed to enter,  but in a case  the winner works in all
other _standard_ machines too  (i.e. A600, A1200, A2000, A3000, A4000),
the prize would be $4000 instead of $2000 (or whatever the prizes are).

> | Gregeory C. Granger                 |  "All these memories will be |
From: blyy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Anarchy & AlphaOmega: AAAARGGGGHHHH!!
Date: 9 Jan 93 23:57:57 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Cornell University

Okay, I've been looking through the various Party II demos, and have
gotten most of them succesfully - except two that I want to see most!

So ... what's the deal with the Anarchy 3DdemoII and the first disk of
Alpha&Omega II demo? 

What I mean is, first they were corrupted, then they were removed, then
put back up. BUT . . the new (jan 7) .DMS archive of the Anarchy demo
still does not work (the demo file on the disk has a file error in it,
so it cannot be run) and the .LHA archive on Physik, which even says
"archive okay :)" in the description is a corrupted archive!

As for the Alpha&Omega, the new (jan 8?) disk 1 passes DMS TEST okay,
but at track 66 fails with a "checksum error"!  

DOes anyone have working versions of these two? WHERE did you get them from?
What's the deal here????

thanks for all help,
Aaron

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From: bosman@fwi.uva.nl (Cor Bosman)
Subject: Re: WOW !! Spaceball
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:40:57 GMT

Kimmo.Ketolainen@utu.fi (Kimble) writes:

>rhuynh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Richard Huynh) wrote:

>> 	Well, what can I say about this demo except that it's probably
>> the most amazing demo I have seen !

>Yes it is. I'd like to note that there is now a updated version of this
>disk as nic.funet.fi:pub/amiga/demos/Demo_Competition/Spaceballs.Demo.DMS
>and it works also on these one meg CHIP memory machines.

Altho this followup does work, I must say I have NO respect whatsoever
for the people of Skid Row, who cracked it. They may have solved
the incompatibility problems, but adding their name to the endpart
saying 'the trackloader sucked and the code was awful' is really low.
All these demos were probably made with a lot of time pressure, and
you cant expect it to be 100% They won , cause it was simply the best
demo on the party. Maybe Skid Row should pay more attention to
their own 'productions' cause more then half the time, their own
releases arent what I'd call bugfree.

Bleh!

Cor

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From: m92mmy@tdb.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg)
Subject: Re: "Good" demos and "Bad" demos!
Organization: Temple Of Wrath
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 00:36:40 GMT

Not that this is very important, or relevant to the matter,
but why did they change their name to Skid Row (being Paranoimia) ????

/Mattias

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From: slhmz@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: Spaceballs (the demo)
Date: 11 Jan 93 11:36:57 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1993Jan11.140143.22270@ulrik.uio.no>, jawil@hpx12.aid.no (Jan Roger Wilkens) writes:
> In article <8L96wB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, ggranger@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Greg Granger) writes:
> |> I agree tenfold.  That guy should be considered lucky that a few of the 
> |> members of Skid Row were nice enough to debug those demos to make them 
> |> work on the 68030 machines.  He'd better stop his little childish 
> |> incantations.  A word to the wise, Walter, "Grow the f*** up!!!!!"  There 
> |> may not be a next time that these demos will be debugged by people like 
> |> Skid Row.
> 
> You are truly incredible.. Praising SkidRow for harrasing a really good demo.
> Have you ever been on a party? Didn't think so.. Maybe you should have been
> there, programming a demo, so you could feel the time pressure towards the
> deadline? It's not always easy to make the demo perfect before releasing it.
> And Spaceballs did release a working version some days after. It hasen't been
> very widespread though..

  I won't praise Skid Row for that slam they put in at the end of the demo,
  but I will praise them for getting the demo to work on my A3000!  Perhaps
  if Skid Row would of put (in very tiny letters at the bottom of the last
  screen) "1 Meg CHIP support by Skid Row" things would be better.

  Where can we get our hands on the spaceballs "fixed" demo.  The one _they_
  fixed.  I'd much rather have the version without a slam at the end...

--
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From: marvil@lysator.liu.se (Martin Vilcans)
Subject: How could SpaceBalls win?
Organization: Lysator ACS at Linkoping University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:42:42 GMT

I've seen three demos from The Party II competition; SpaceBalls' State of the
Art, Triangle's No More Vectors and TRSI's contribution. (I have Anarchy's
3D demo II, but it won't work without 1 meg chip, is there a real version
available somewhere?)

TRSI's demo isn't very impressive. There are few new ideas in that
one. But Triangle's demo is great! The title says it all: No vectors!
It takes me back to the years before the vector demos, but it has new
ideas and effects with bitplane graphics! OK, the music is not better
than demo standard, and it could fit on one disk, but it still is
great. Far better than State of the Art. How can a demo with just one
simple effect win a big demo competition? The coding isn't advanced,
it just displays vectorized graphics in different ways (easy to code),
there are no bitmap graphics (except for the dragon in the beginning,
which I admit looks good) and the music sucks. And this takes a whole
disk and demands 1 meg of memory (and the memory should be at $c00000
in the original version, before Skid Row were kind enough to fix it).
The only thing that takes a bit of work on that demo is the creation
of the animations, which I guess were made in some animation program.

I'm not saying that State of the Art is worthless. It would be a good
file intro, but as a trackmo, it just isn't state of the art.

All right, State of the Art lovers, keep the flames coming!


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From: m92mmy@tdb.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg)
Subject: Re: Mahoney and Kaktus
Organization: Temple Of Wrath
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:25:22 GMT

In article 2168 Aaron Grier writes:

>One big question... did you think that when you made the noisetracker
>that it would have had as big an impact on the computing world as it
>does? People today now use the amiga playing modules as kind of a
>benchmark of sorts...

I think you should ask Karsten Obarksi, or possibly
Unknown of D.O.C., they were the ones who first refined the
SoundTracker (Obarski being the one who wrote it)

Hey, did it ever make it to the shells ?


/Mattias

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From: Kimmo.Ketolainen@utu.fi (Kimble)
Subject: Re: Compatability Problems with MOST Party II demos.  (Yuk!)
Organization: The Royal Imperial Mutual Alliance Consolidated Insurance Co Ltd
Date: 11 Jan 93 05:21:00

chrisr@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Chris Ringe) wrote:

> I was also at little dissapointed that 10% of the demos 
> (demos_competition directory) where bad DMS files.

I wish you had contacted the ftp site maintainers (you sure used the
North American site?). At least at nic.funet.fi, DMSCheck reports that
all DMS files are okay but then again it can't be trusted 100% -- it
reports that PMC Alpha & Omega II disk is 'good' as it really is
corrupt (track 66).

> Chris Ringe       (VE6MCP)
From: rhuynh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Richard Huynh)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: WOW !! Spaceball
Date: 6 Jan 1993 16:36:38 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

	Hi,
	Well, what can I say about this demo except that it's probably
the most amazing demo I have seen ! The only thing which may not be
impressive is the music, it suits the demo but I didn't think it was
that great, but overall it's very impressive.
	I really like the music from 'Hardwire'. I was wondering if
there is any other mods that's similar to it.


				Richard.
From: slhmz@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: The Party II demos available at the FUNET Archive
Date: 12 Jan 93 12:05:09 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1993Jan12.135356.5401@mercury.unt.edu>, jbw@ponder.csci.unt.edu (WEST JASON BRUCE) writes:
>     I belive I have this version - I can;t get it to work on my A3000 2.1!
> From 2.1 with degradsion it hangs/crashes right away - when I soft boot from
> 1.3 I get a THIS DEMO NEEDS 2.04 MESSAGE!!  What the hell?  Am I just
> screwed once again?
> 
> 
> Thanks a mil, in advance.  I think you can chalk this up as a non-3000 demo.
> Ciao...
> 
> 
> 
>                                         -Jason
> 


Are you _SURE_ you had the Skid Row "Fixed" version?  I beleive it is up
on amiga.physik.unizh.ch as sr_sball.dms  or something simular.

The demo truely is beautifull... Good luck!

--
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From: ewhac@ntg.com (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: Criti!
Date: 7 Jan 93 01:19:49 GMT
Organization: Politically Incorrect Software, Ltd.

In article <1992Dec7.174251.26704@tdb.uu.se> m92mmy@tdb.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg) writes:
>Well, go ahead make my day, MAC-lamer ! Show me 87 192-surfaces inconvex-
>glenz-vectors in 8-bit triple parallax playfields, or go screw yourself !
>
	Oh, sure!  Next, you'll want a 3D sphere with an image mapped on
every face like Cube-O-Matic (Sphere-O-Matic?), bouncing inside a box with
squash and stretch.  With lightsourced shading.  And shadows in the box.
And while we're at it, why not put an *ANIMATION* on every face?  HELL, WHY
NOT PUT >>>LIVE VIDEO<<< ON EVERY FACE!!???

	Don't want much, do you? :-) :-)

P.S:	What do you mean when you say "inconvex?"  Is that synonymous with
	concave?

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From: Paul_Trauth@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Paul Trauth)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: The Party II demos available at the FUNET Archive
Distribution: world
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:11:03 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

In a message dated Thu  7 Jan 93 16:57, Kimmo.ketolainen@utu.fi (kimble)
wrote:

> >Do you mean you store these files on floppies?
> Yep.  Actually, I had at first thought that MOST Amiga-owners in the
workld
> didn't have a HD... but maybe I'm just the minority? :)

 K> I don't think there's much mind storing demos on floppies in DMS
 K> format.  Just extract them to floppies  to the original form and
 K> when the time comes, read them back to DMS format.

Actually, i think the problem Maruku's referring to is this:
What do you do if you have a machine not too far from the "European Target
Machine": memory <=1M, one or two floppies? You can't download >~880k files
to floppy - they won't fit. Can't put 'em in a ramdisk - they still won't
fit.

I don't worry about it personally as i have 3M and an HD, but it's a valid
point!


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From: Kimmo.Ketolainen@utu.fi (Kimble)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: The Party II demos available at the FUNET Archive
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:24:31 GMT
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savage@viper.rtp.dg.com (Ed Savage) wrote:

> Ok... I'm glad to see all of these demos out there...

> Now the big question...  Which of these will run on an A3000 with 2.04
> as-is? Which ones will run with a mixture of "degrader" options (and
> which options)?

Seems that they all run on that configuration :) as I haven't received
any notes saying the opposite. PLEASE send a note if you find demos
that don't work on your machine so that we can gather a list much more
easily.

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From: mnielsen@tbag.tscs.com (Marco Nielsen)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: The Party II demos available at the FUNET Archive
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:13:41 EST
Organization: Tampa Bay Amiga Group

On Thu  7-Jan-1993  1:56 , L Lundman wrote:

LL> Actually, how do I run the Spaceballs demo? When I boot it I get a
LL> vector gfx hand for a second or so then it guru's. I have a vanilla 500
LL> with 1 meg.

Yeah, I had no success with Spaceball's "State of the Art" demo either. Tried KS 1.3/PAL/NOFAST etc.. But Skid Row released a "BUG FIXED" version of it the other day, and it now runs perfectly on any 68000 Amiga! Very nicely done vector dancing girls.. Nice idea.. 
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From: s892031@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Pumpkin Power)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: Mahoney/Kaktus music disks
Date: 4 Jan 1993 18:11:00 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
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Keywords: Pumpkin Power :)

jbrown@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Justin William Brown) writes:
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't some nice individual offer to upload
>two of the "missing" Mahoney&Kaktus musicdisks?  It could be that they're
>already out there...but I only frequent amiga.physik and wuarchive :).
>Anyone have news on this?  I'm getting my bulk supply of disks soon (heheh)
>and want to have something to download until the 30th ;).

I put music disks 1 & 3 on amiga.physik about 2 weeks ago.  I would have
announced it here but news & email have been broken on this site for the
past 2 weeks (so what else is new).  Anyway, you should be able to find
them on amiga.physik or any of its mirrors, and last time I looked disks
2 & 5 were also there.  I don't have music disk #4 myself.

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From: chuff@agora.rain.com (Chris Hufnagel)
Subject: Re: "bad" demos, and the machine they don't run on.
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 09:03:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.175130.62543@cc.usu.edu> slhmz@cc.usu.edu writes:
>I have been unable to execute the following demos on an Amiga 3000 under
>any configuration selectable by degrader, under 1.3 and 2.x
>
>Note that these are from "The Party '92"
>
>1.  trsi.dms
>2.  spaceb.dms
>
I have an A3000 as well.  Couldn't get the above to run as well as these:

3. Abyss.MonaLisaWasAMan.dms
4. Anarchy.3DDemoII.DMS
5. Fairlight.absoluteineb-*.DMS (both 1 and 2 duh...)

FutureMirror.Claustrophob.DMS worked for a minute but crashed.  Looked very 
intresting though and the music was very original.

I was more impressed by the intro_comp files than the demo_comp files. 


>Just a warning about the above so you don't try to download them at 1200 BAUD
>for a couple of hours...
>
>I did get addict.dms to go... cool tunes, weird effects... way weird effects.

Same here, Cult.Kefmania was very impressive as well.


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From: jms1086@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: TESTED PARTY II DEMOS ON 68030!
Date: 9 Jan 93 20:18:32 GMT
Reply-To: jms1086@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

Geesh...... Glad I wasn't around here back when people were coding demos for
the 64.... I would have hated to be here when people were complaing that PAL
demos don't work on the 64, cause they have too many lines per screen....
I like the idea of compatiblilty, but hell, these guys are writing these
programs for the FUN of it... I've written tons of programs for my own use,
that would probably die on any other machine other than mine... So what? 
I'm the only one who wants to use it... If these guys want to write demos for a
select group of Amiga owners, let them.... Stop yer bitchin', cause yer not
paying for them anyways... If you payed moeny for them, then bitch....
But till then...

						-Garion...

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From: bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche)
Subject: Re: Criti!
Organization: MetaPro Systems, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 01:27:51 GMT

In <1993Jan7.140611.13713@daimi.aau.dk>
   u920659@daimi.aau.dk (Carsten S|rensen) writes:

>ewhac@ntg.com (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab) writes:

>>	Oh, sure!  Next, you'll want a 3D sphere with an image mapped on
>>every face like Cube-O-Matic (Sphere-O-Matic?), bouncing inside a box with
>>squash and stretch.  With lightsourced shading.  And shadows in the box.
>>And while we're at it, why not put an *ANIMATION* on every face?  HELL, WHY
>>NOT PUT >>>LIVE VIDEO<<< ON EVERY FACE!!???

>Hey! Is that a problem? :-)
>BTW. I didn't know that spheres had faces....

They do. But just the one ;-) Please don't ask me to prove this.
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From: d1gunnar@dtek.chalmers.se (Gunnar Andersson)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: Mahoney and Kaktus
Keywords: interview amiga MOD module
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:39:33 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

tfinn@crash.cts.com (Aaron Grier) writes:

>Hey guys... I know you are out there. (Mahoney at least)

>One big question... did you think that when you made the noisetracker
>that it would have had as big an impact on the computing world as it
>does? People today now use the amiga playing modules as kind of a
>benchmark of sorts...

What you really should do is try to get a hold of Karsten Obarski (I think
that's his name) who wrote the very first SoundTracker.  This is actually
the very first program from which all the others evolved.  It was changed,
rewritten and copied by a bunch of people before Noisetracker came.  
Noisetracker was a big improvement but very soon after that other ones
like Protracker started popping up.  BTW Noisetracker (v2.0) was supposed to 
be commercially sold by some company but someone managed to spread copies
of it before it was really finished.  

If you really want to get a hold of Kaktus, mail me and I can fix it for you.
I don't really want to post anything here without asking him first.



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From: borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Boerge Noest)
Subject: Re: TESTED PARTY II DEMOS ON 68030!
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:09:29 GMT

>WE FUCKING NEVER SAY THAT 'THIS DEMO RUNS ON 68030'!!! WE CAN NOT GUARANTEE
>THE RESULT OF RUNNING OUR DEMOS ON OTHER CONFIGS THAN OUR OWN BECAUSE WE
>DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO BUY ANOTHER AMIGA FOR TESTING PURPOSES!!! But since
>you're so keen on the idea of 'helping' why don't you buy us one?

This is the purest BS I have seen in a very long time.
I guess you guys have never heard the words 68010, 68020, 68030, 68040
then?
You don't have to own one to know about it. There is this thing called
books. Often found in libraries if you don't want to buy one. Inside them
you can find interesting things like the fact that newer processors has
caches, that newer processors execute their instructions faster, that some
68000 instructions have become priviledged. Communicating with the world
will also reveal that the newer processors usually run at a much higher
frequency, and therefore one might be able to deduct that timing begins to
play a role in your programming. Like not using dbra's in your ProTracker
replayer for delays.

Actually, I do not frown when I see someone code for absolute addresses,
but I do frown when they do so without thinking about relocating the
code/data. I do frown when they use move.l #'SHIT',$C00000 to check for
more memory. The system can tell you all about it, and then some.

What upsets me most though, is that the party arrangers do not demand that
the participating demos have to work on someting else than a 500 with .5
chip/.5 slow. This really makes me sad.

(Funny how much better you feel after letting out some steam)

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