HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: manley@optilink.COM (Terry Manley)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Conductivity of water <plus a story from Uncle Dave>
Date: 19 Dec 92 01:09:18 GMT
Organization: DSC/Optilink Access Products

In article <BzD60u.CwF@rahul.net> phil@rahul.net (Phil Gustafson) writes:

[a correction of my factually incorrect musings on third rail voltages]

And now for a short story.

I lived in Chicago for a while quite near the "L".  For those of you
who don't know the "L" is an (extremely noisy) electric train system
employing a third rail.  One cold wintry night we had a freezing rain.
This did a very nice job of coating everything with (I'm making this
part up, as I don't really remember) a quarter inch of ice - including
the rails on the "L".  The train had made it out of the station and
down to where I was living when it hit the ice.  Whatever the
designers had built into the train to deal with snow/ice on the rails
was inadequate and the train slowed to a stop.  The people in the
train were now stuck on this elevated track thirty feet up in the air.
After a few moments either the ice under the third rail shoe melted,
or the weight of the train cracked the ice under the wheels and with a
great deal of arcing (quite spectacular at night) the train lurched
ahead a few inches - only to be stopped again by more ice, followed by
more arcing and more lurching.  If I remember correctly, the lights
inside the train flashed on and off as train lurched forward.  I'm
glad I wasn't on that train! 

As I had to get to a night class (thermodynamics, taught by a man who
could not pronounce the letter "H") I didn't stick around to see if
the train ever made it to the next station which was a few blocks
away.  I don't remember hearing about anyone dying or any acts of
cannibalism, so I assume the passengers finally got where they were
going. 

ObUL: You can tell how bad a winter it is going to be by seeing
      how big a pile of salt is in the road maintenance yards.

ObChicagoUL:  Chicago means "stinky onion".

Dave "boy, do I miss Chicago. NOT!" Manley
Xref: sparky alt.folklore.urban:31702 rec.arts.startrek.misc:12900
From: jcharpak@acs.bu.edu (Joseph Charpak)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Sex, *spoilers for Barclay episodes*
Keywords: holodeck, Barclay, sex
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:15:19 GMT
Followup-To: Sex, The Final Frontier
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <lj05n6INNago@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> trelford@trelford.Eng.Sun.COM (Trelford Pinkerton) writes:
>
>Now that Terry has raised the question of lust-crazed trekkies,
>I would like to ask for further elucidation myself.
>
>First, what is the etiquette concerning the use of the holodeck?
>Would it be frowned upon if Cmdr Riker ordered the computer to
>produced the likenesses of Deanna Troi and Dr "Ball" Crusher,
>both dressed as leather-clad fetish-inducing hose monkeys?
>
I believe you are refering to a very early episode of which
I don't remember its name.  However, you may not be aware
of a later episode (actually a whole subplot) involving
a (Lieutenant?) Barclay who has 1,000,000,000,000 neurious (sp.)
In the episode that Barclay is introduced, he spends too much
time in the holodeck using programs concerning erotic themes
with Crusher, Troi and rather stupid poses for Picard,Geordi
Riker etc.  Needless to say they were a bit miffed (read: furious)
Hopes this helps.
Joe.

No .sig so shoot me (shields up...Red Alert)
Darnit Jim, I'm a doctor not a clown...What?...Oh I'm that too.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: For a close, circular shave (was: Unchanged FAQ List
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:08:52 GMT
Keywords: lather, rinse, repeat

In <1992Dec11.102914.18001@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:

>1) Isn't using Occams Razor in the above argument a case of circular
>reasoning?

I heard that Occam was the first person to ever fake a crop
circle.
-- 
/|/-\/-\       In real life, the Vice President chastises Murphey Brown
 |__/__/_/     for her morals.  Bill Clinton plays the sax on "Arsenio
 |warren@      Hall."  Though "Batman Returns" is fiction, it's not too
/ nysernet.org much stranger than truth - Caryn James, The New York Times
From: slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Fellatio laws, cases cited (was: Re: FAQ list)
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:27:38 MDT
Organization: Omega:  The Final Solution

> In article <27987@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry
> Chan) writes:
>> Didn't/Don't some states have prohibitions again sodomy which includes
>> (under their definition) fellatio?  This was the impression I got from
>> the popular media.....
 
In article <1992Dec15.193358.62077@cc.usu.edu>, I replied:
>      As I recall Utah's anti-sodomy law, which I last read in 1983, it
> includes just such a definition.  Perhaps it's been altered since
> then, perhaps not.  I'll go check tonight.

     And here it is.  (I said I'd check.  I didn't say when I'd post.) 
This comes from the Utah Code Unannotated, published by The Michie
Company of Charlottesville, VA.  Volume 4, page 101.  Posted here w/o
permission, of course.
======================================================================
76-5-403.  Sodomy -- Forcible sodomy.

     (1)  A person commits sodomy when the actor engages in any sexual
act with a person who is 14 years of age or older involving the
genitals of one person and mouth or anus of another person, regardless
of the sex of either participant.

     (2)  A person commits forcible sodomy when the actor commits
sodomy upon another without the other's consent.

     (3)  Sodomy is a class B misdemeanor.  Forcible sodomy is a
felony of the first degree.                                     1983
======================================================================
     Well, it looks like they didn't change the law after I read it in
1983.

Patrick "Put up your hands and your pants!" Clark
-- 
Patrick S. Clark | SPOOK FODDER:  Immediately after President Bush's
Email is life!   | 1992 visit with LDS church leaders, his motorcade
Usual Disclaimer | did not leave until an ambulance had joined it.
From: harris.minter@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Harris Minter) 
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: ring-pulls/ cats-eyes
Date: 14 Dec 92 05:53:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ed Hopper's BBS - Berkeley Lake, GA - 404-446-9462
Reply-To: harris.minter@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Harris Minter) 

>THE WAY I HEARD IT (tm) was that Cat's Eyes (on posts by the side of the road)
>were conceived of by a guy who nearly drove his car off the side of the road
>but saw the eyes of a cat reflecting back at him.

>I also heard that the person who invented the reflecting lumps embedded in
>the road (a simple extension) did and is makiing a fortune.


>And I understand that the person who patented intermittent wipers is getting
>rich as he progressively sues and settles out of court with car manufacturers.

The front projection movie special-effects technique was invented by a
science-fiction writer (Will Jenkins, a.k.a Murray Leinster) because he
didn't like the way one of his stories was done on TV.  His inspiration
was the reflective road markers.

I don't know if it made him rich.
                                                                                                         
----
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
|       Ed Hopper's BBS - ehbbs.gwinnett.com - Atlanta, Georgia         |
|  USR/HST: 404-446-9462                  V.32bis: 404-446-9465         |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
Xref: sparky alt.folklore.urban:31470 rec.arts.startrek.misc:12789
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Sex, the Final Frontier?
Date: 17 Dec 1992 08:10:51 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

trelford@trelford.Eng.Sun.COM (Trelford Pinkerton) writes:

  +First, what is the etiquette concerning the use of the holodeck?
  +Would it be frowned upon if Cmdr Riker ordered the computer to
  +produced the likenesses of Deanna Troi and Dr "Ball" Crusher,
  +both dressed as leather-clad fetish-inducing hose monkeys?

Well, he's not called "Number 1" for nothing.
  
  +What if Wesley did this?  What if the captain did it, and ordered
  +the image of Wesley to watch?

If they killed Wesley, would it be a snuff, uh, holo-whatchamajoggie?
  
  +I saw the Captain call up an Arabian horse on the holodeck for
  +him to ride, just a few days ago.  What if he extended his "riding"
  +to other mammals?  Space can be pretty lonely, and no one can
  +hear you cream.

If he called up a cow, could he tip it?
  
  +Why does Whoopi Goldberg always appear in a funny hat?

She wears a hat?
 
  +Doesn't anyone ever give in to the urge to scramble Data's diodes
  +by running a powerful magnet over the back of his head?
 
  +Personally, I felt that "Dr Who" is better -- which is not saying much.

Terry "What about 'Buck Rodgers'?  [Pre-IBM, of course]" Chan
--
Energy and Environment Division   | Internet:  TWChan@lbl.gov
Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory      | 
Berkeley, California  USA  94720  | Carpe Per Diem
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Why Not?
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 23:28:13 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <#4h2xbc@rpi.edu> kasprj@rpi.edu writes:
> I heard that, a few years back, a student at Kyoto University in Japan
>came to an exam in traditional garb of the Tokugawa period and, citing 
>an old but never-repealed bylaw of the university, asked for warm sake 
>and a plate of sashimi to fortify his mind during the test. 
> 
> The proctor, unsure of what to do, called the professor. The professor
>told the proctor to comply with the student's request. While waiting 
>for the food to arrive, the professor looked over the student's garb 
>and realized that it was the clothing of the son of a _daimyo_. The 
>professor inquired if the student was descended from the nobility, and
>the student, who was from a family of commoners, realized that he had 
>committed a grave social error and promptly committed ritual suicide.
> 
> Has anyone else heard any college folklore?

This is remarkable.  If I didn't know better I would _swear_ that this post
bears the mark of the inevitable Peter van der Linden in troll mode.

In fact I am almost sure he posted an almost identical legend about an 
Oxford student, a glass of beer and a sword.  If I remember rightly the 
student had forgotten to practice his archery the previous sunday 
(a little known - but never repealed English law) and was escorted off the 
premises to the local constabulary.  Although he was never charged with the 
offence he missed his exam and thus failed his degree.  

Perhaps Jim is another Linden clone.

Derek "Oh no, now there are 3 of them" Tearne



-- 
Derek Tearne.   --   derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz   --    Fujitsu New Zealand   -- 
 _______
 _______} This is a Usenet condom<tm>.  Roll the condom over the .signature 
	  file before posting to protect yourself from .sig retro-virii
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.college
From: djg2@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (David J. Greenberger)
Subject: Re: College Libraries Funded by the Trivial
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 13 Dec 92 18:19:05 GMT

thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:

>The reason I ask is because I was told as a credulous student at Brandeis
>that the Gerstenzang Library was funded by the man who invented Q-Tips.

>Do other colleges have libraries allegedly funded by the inventors of the
>mundane?  Are either of these stories true?  

Hmmm...I'll see what I can find out about Cornell's Uris, Olin, and Mann...
From: linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Peter van der Linden)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Why Not?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 20:03:53 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: positive

derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes:
>  This is remarkable.  If I didn't know better I would _swear_ that this post
>  bears the mark of the inevitable Peter van der Linden in troll mode.

From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
> I thought it was Cindy who had a troll. I am sure that she said his name
> was something besides Peter.

Yes indeed, Cindy is the be-trollful one.  Her troll is called Stein.
Her husband is called Steinar.   You can tell them apart, because Cindy
can't fit into Stein's clothes, but can fit into Steinar's.  Stein can't
wear Stein's clothing, whereas Steinar would be arrested if he went out in
public in Stein's stuff.  Stein would have to be stuffed before he would
fit Steinar's stuff.

Peter "naming service to the stars" 

--
                    no .sig, have got a life instead.
From: carlos@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Miguel Borges)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Amusing signs
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:40:43 GMT
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland

jbutt@odie.cs.mun.ca (Jonathan Butt) writes:
>You think you got it good. Try living in a place called "Dildo", no shit we got a place called Dildo in Nfld.

And "Dildo Run" a short distance away.
Also, "Come-by-chance" (Known locally as Leave-by-choice)
and "Cow-Head"
-- 
C. Miguel Borges        and his EVIL TWIN BROTHER (tm)        Carlos M. Borges
carlos@morgan.ucs.mun.ca <-------------------------> carlos@garfield.cs.mun.ca
##############################################################################
Memorial University of Newfoundland, St. John's, NF. Canada []*[] <-cheap flag
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Subject: Re: Mnemonics
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:08:53 GMT

system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall) writes:

>The theory that Pluto was an escaped moon of Pluto (which escaped at that
>same time) was discredited.

FURRFU ALERT!   <ping!>   <ping!>   <ping!>

Quick, Wayne, tell us what you *meant* with this typo before another
_Thread_that_Wouldnt_Die_(tm) starts up!!!

And while you're at it, can you explain Charon?

	Bob "ObSheesh!" O'Bob

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: wsmiddel@rodan.acs.syr.edu ()
Subject: Re: Amusing signs
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 23:35:36 EST

In article <j!h2m9p@rpi.edu> kasprj@rpi.edu writes:

> Here in lovely Troy, there are signs at some of the traffic lights 
>saying "Wait for Green Light". I guess the people around here would
>just keep going otherwise. (Considering how some RPI students drive,
>I wouldn't be surprised.)

Actually this sign isn't as silly as you think.  It probably means that 
there is a left turn arrow which must be green before you are allowed to turn
left, but the city/town/village/state/whatever was too cheap to spring for
a red left arrow, so the put up the sign instead.

My favorite sign comes up half way around the bend of an on ramp to I-89
in Burlington Vermont(exit 14 N on ramp, I think).

It says,   "WEAVING TRAFFIC AHEAD"

 I bet the state troopers love to hang out there!

[actually it is one of those stupid exit ramp after the on ramp deals which
does cause quite a bit of grief, unless you're driving an ambulance, and 
people just naturally get out of your way!]


Will "No longer a lurker" Middelaer
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: crosby@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Matthew Crosby)
Subject: Re: Gravity
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 01:08:46 GMT

In article <Fqy4VB3w165w@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz> system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall) writes:
>ObFACT: A pound of feathers weighs more than a pound of gold.
>
I thought this only applied to ounces?  (ie: there is no troy pound)

-- 
-Matt
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the net!!!!
mcrosby@nyx.cs.du.edu     or     crosby@cs.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: k206027@smog.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE (Bakayaroo Banzai)
Subject: Re: Amusing signs
Organization: Deutsches Klimarechenzentrum GmbH, Hamburg
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 13:06:16 GMT

In article <guest.724539004@cs.wisc.edu> petlock@turing.org writes:
>pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin) writes:
>
>>ldoering@engin.umich.edu (Laurence Doering) writes:
>
>>>I noticed some weird street signs last summer when I was in Berlin.  
>>>It was odd, but about one out of every three streets seemed to be
>>>named "Einbahnstrasse."  I have no idea how Berliners find their
>>>way around.  Even stranger, the same thing was true in Naples
>
>>Funny - Dave Barry made _exactly_ the same observation - in the book "Dave
>>Barry's Only Travel Guide You'll Ever Need".  I was reading it last night to
>>prepare for a trip to the UK.
>
>>-- 
>>Paul Tomblin, pt@compass.gvc.com
>>(This is not an official opinion of GeoVision Systems Inc.)
>>"I need that trephination stuff like I need another hole in the head"
>>    --  Kim L. Greer in alt.folklore.urban
>
>Would someone please provide a translation of "einbahnstrasse" for the
>german- impaired?
>
"One-way Street"

Matt Marchese
matt@cray.com
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.college
From: bergman@panix.com (Mark Bergman)
Subject: Re: College Libraries Funded by the Trivial
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:10:15 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

Clarkson College, c.1982, built a nice, new $10M science
center. In prominent letters on said building was the name
of a family that had given a lot of money to Clarkson in the
past, in the _hope_ that a donation would be made for the
newly-constructed building. The family name was NOT etched
into the stone--it consisted of solid metal letters
attatched to the face of the building. The story was that
the name would be changed if a donation was not forthcoming.

----
Mark Bergman
718-855-9148

bergman@panix.com
{cmcl2,uunet}!panix!bergman
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:08:06 GMT

mkjensen@IASTATE.EDU (Martha K (Puester) Jensen) writes:
: 
: As far as the strichnine tales go, I think that started as a way to explain
: the tightening in the jaw muscles that occurs with some formulations
: of acid, and which is probably due to residual ergot alkaloids or the
: cheap speed it is cut with.  Claims of strichnine have been debunked...

So has the cheap speed myth. It is a natural consequence of using ergot
derivatives.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: rcnixon@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (russell.nixon)
Subject: Re: Cats-eyes and some other stuff
Summary: Spelling flames!
	                                                 Russ
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:30:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.001644.7456@nezsdc.icl.co.nz>, derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes:
> In article <1992Dec11.181153.2771@cbfsb.cb.att.com> rcnixon@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (russell.nixon) writes:
> >
> >Russ "Cloroform taught me not to wear jewlery in the lab!" Nixon
> >  Whose opinions are his own.
> 
> I think it may have had an adverse effect on your spelling too.
> 
> Derek "Try Ether next time - it's much easier to spell" Tearne
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
A
> Derek Tearne.   --   derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz   --    Fujitsu New Zealand   -- 
>  _______
>  _______} This is a Usenet condom<tm>.  Roll the condom over the .signature 
> 	  file before posting to protect yourself from .sig retro-virii

Hey,

  It can be spelled ether cloroform or chloroform. ;^)

Russ
From: dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Amusing street names
Date: 19 Dec 92 22:51:09 GMT
Organization: New Mexico State University

pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin) writes:

:I noticed some weird street signs last summer when I was in Berlin.  
:It was odd, but about one out of every three streets seemed to be
:named "Einbahnstrasse."  I have no idea how Berliners find their
:way around.  Even stranger, the same thing was true in Naples
:(eibanstrasse meaning one-way street)

I'm amused by street names in Mexico, where they'll literally name the street  
after the entire listing in the encyclopedia for a historical event, like  
"Avenida de el Campesino Muerto de Revolucion Popular de 1893" and so on.   
Imagine street names in the US like "Fourth of July Boulevard" and "Street of   
the Founding Fathers of this Great Nation" and you'll hava a good idea about  
how Mexican streets are named. 

--
   Dan Tasman                                       dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu
                                                     molson@rever.nmsu.edu
   -----------------------------------------------------------------------
   "I think that I shall never see a billboard lovely as a tree
    Indeed, unless the billboards fall, I'll never see a tree at all."
                                                                Ogden Nash
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Fellatio laws, cases cited (was: Re: FAQ list)
Date: 15 Dec 1992 03:11:28 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

r_pearce@icrf.icnet.uk writes:

  +>It is widely believed in this country (UK) that fellatio is actually illegal
  +>in (some states of) the USA. Is this true? Some of you Yanks must know.
  +>(Yes, OK, I know, I only put that word in to annoy you.)

Bruce.Tindall@launchpad.unc.edu (Bruce Tindall) writes:

  +Fellatio is illegal in North Carolina under a generally-worded "crimes
  +against nature" statute that traces its heritage back to statutes of
  +Henry VIII and Elizabeth I.  [Rest of formidable post which included 
   the use of large, polysyllabic words and legal references deleted.]

Didn't/Don't some states have prohibitions again sodomy which includes
(under their definition) fellatio?  This was the impression I got from
the popular media.....


Terry "Guess I should check the 'Weekly World News'" Chan
--
Energy and Environment Division   | Internet:  TWChan@lbl.gov
Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory      | 
Berkeley, California  USA  94720  | Carpe Per Diem
From: sfriedman@pbs.org (Dr. Freddy Strange, Sr., M.A. )
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Mnemonics
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:19:14 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

In article <1992Dec13.212858.802@ualr.edu>, deyoung@acs.harding.edu (Joel M. DeYoung) writes:
> In article <1gc1etINNges@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, bdsm@poincare.WPI.EDU (Billy Don McConnell) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec12.052658.394@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, 
>>quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal) writes:
>>|> OK.  New mnemonic question.  Who has mnemonics for the sharps and flats
>>|> in key signatures in music?  For instance, the flats, as told by my
>>|> grandfather:
>>|> Ben's Eagle Ate Dad's Grey Cat Friday.
>>|> (ie B flat is the first, then E flat comes next and so on.)

>>Sharps...
>>  Four Cars Go Down Avenue 'E' Backwards

> My fiance'e, a music education major, has always used the following:
> 
> Sharps:
>   Father Charles Goes Down And Ends Battle
    ^^^^^^         ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^
Interesting!  The first one I made up 25 years ago, in Grade 8 music
theory, was `Father Calvin Goes Down And Eats Bread.'  And when that
didn't help (couldn't remember what the hungry parson went down and did),
I changed it to `Father Calvin Got Drunk At Eddie's Bar' and have used
that one ever since.  
-- 
<<<<<sfriedman@pbs.org     ...{uupsi,vrdhxq,csed-1,ida.org}!pbs!sfriedman!>>>>>
<I'm S. Friedman, p/k/a Freddy. Don't blame my employer; it's not responsible.> 
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Avoid contact with eyes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>