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From: andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: Kidnapping young girls
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:16:27 GMT

In article <22NOV199220125008@zeus.tamu.edu> c0y2509@zeus.tamu.edu (Charles Willow/Chang-Hoon Yoo) writes:
>In article <Nov22.212858.21830@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, 
>mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler) writes...
>>Is this true or half-true.  Can anyone verify this?  How then are young girls lured into 
>>prostitution in Itaewon or around any U.S. military installation?
>>Mitch
>
>Yes, saddly and VERY unfortunately, YES!
>Now, before I mention anything about these  barbaric incidents, let me
>tell you Americans about your personal lives -- with extra emhasis on your
>sexual habits.

[sexual drive == "American type of diet" theory deleted...]

>The fact is, your eating habits DO have something to do w/ your OVER-SEXED 
>life.

Too much of generalization.... it ignores other factors such as
being in the army, cultural differences, history of these  American
bases and prostitution.....etc.....

>Your buscuit-brained G.I's were originally stationed in Korea NOT to defend the
>country, not to show off the good-will, and most of all, NOT to solidify the
>alliance between the two nations, but for the "strategic" sake of the U.S.
>-- You ask any one of your politicians and military officials!!  Now they're
>asking the Koreans to pay for their stay.   What's more shitty is
>that some of these fellows just don't want to leave (the country)!!  Sure,
>I believe there ain't a single female in the U.S. who want to hang around
>with these over-fed, under-educated, and most important, OVER-SEXED guys.

Bit too much emotional.... let's cool down a bit.

The funny things is that draft-dodger but cut-the-defense-budget Clinton 
in a informal interview with Koreans said that he supports the US troops 
remaining in Korea.

In a related top story in recent days in Korea that have pertinence to this
discussion at hand is rape-murder of Korean woman by US military personnel.
The big question is exactly who will try this American person.  I have not
read past couple of days' paper, so I do not know the outcome, if there was
one.  But, there is much voice of discontent and protest among Koreans, to
have the accused be tried in ROK court..... 

Needless to say, a very delicate matter.  Maybe because of this incident
the writer is emotional :)

>I know these bastards 'cause I was sick of even seeing 'em aroung me while I
>was in my military uniform.  Oh by the way, I wasn't a member of the KATUSA
>(Korean Augmentation TO US Army), but a  proud 2nd Lieu. of the Black barets
>of the Korean Army -- the Paratroopers (responsibe for kinda' operations what
>the Navy seals will do).

It is my opinion that maybe the times has come that bad points 
out weigh the reasons why US troop need to stay in ROK.

Army Base -> whore houses.... regardless of nationality (Sad... but true).
I really do not think, diet have that much to do with what you have
mentioned... :)

Andrew Sung Hyun Kim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: questions of the Korean War
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 05:38:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.015649.14288@wam.umd.edu> south@wam.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>Just one thing, the orig. poster mentioned about the military power
>that threw up Japan in WWII; however, I don't think it was Army in WWII;
>rather, U.S. won WWII in the air against Japan (along with nuke).

	No, the power that threw up Japan was Geroge Bush...  :)  But 
seriously, I would give more weight to the role of the navy than the air
power (there was no air force, at this time).  The US did quite a lot of
bombing on Japan, but it took the atomic bomb to convince them to surrender.
Of course, some people do argue that even without the atomic bomb, Japan
would have surrendered once the Soviets entered the theatre.  But IMHO,
it was the American navy and the marines that were the decisive factors
in defeating Japan.
  
>W/o nuke, both Japan and U.S. would have had a lot more casualies including
>Korean/Japanese civilians; I don't want to imagine what would have happened
>if U.S. army needed to land on Japan.

	If the US army/marines were to land on Japan, it would have been a
Soviet-US joint-effort.  In my analysis, such effort would not have been
necessary.  Japan would have surrendered without a "Battle of Japan" or
even an atomic bomb.  Truman should have waited a few more days for the
impact of the Soviet declaration of war to sink into the Japanese military.
It probably would have saved all the souls in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. (yeah,
I'm fully aware of Truman Administration's need to contain the Soviets.)
>
>However, I don't know what happened to that air power when PRC involved
>which would have been a good target for carpet bombardment.

	Well, air power isn't omnipotent.  The terrain of the target
matters quite a bit.  In an open terrain like Iraq or Europe, carpet
bombing can be very effective, but in a mountainous/jungle region like
Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan, there are so many nooks and crannies for
the enemy to hide.  
-- 
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From: sepstei1@cc.swarthmore.edu (stephen epstein)
Subject: Re: korean guys...
Organization: swarthmore college
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:49:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.200059.15997@tc.cornell.edu>,
jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
> 
  Over the
> summer, I lived with two other guys (one Jewish and one Caucasian) and they
> didn't know how to cook.  
> 
I've been refraining from getting into this discussion, since I figured
that most of you didn't want to hear from a Caucasian male about Korean
guys, but now I find out from Brian that I'm not Caucasian after all!  Do
you think I can get minority consideration when I go out on the job market
now? :-) 

Stephen (a Jew who even knows how to cook pulgogi...)

P.S. If you all really want an outsider's observations on this topic, I can
give them in a future
post.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Curch
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:16:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.175337.461@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>What do you think about Korean Church?
>Pros. & Cons.?

The reason there isn't much response to this question is because this topic
has been overly beaten to ultimate death about a year ago.  It seems to me
neither side is in the mood to start all over.

If anyone is interested in what kind of discussion went on a year ago, send
me a e-mail.  I will send you the articles (postings) by e-mail to you.

>	DAESHIK.KIM@sprintintl.sprint.com	dskim@eng.umd.edu

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: Update on them roses I sent
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 05:25:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov24.010926.4081@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>In article <1992Nov23.195237.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> 7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca (Henry E Chon) writes:
>>Well, she called me and thanked me about a thousand times. (She has my 
>>calling card number and she uses it freely even though I only gave it to
>>her for emergencies only. And that is probably why she had so much time
>>to thank me a thousand times.)  
>
>Nice to hear that it is going well.  I told you! :)
>
>By the way, could you e-mail me your card number?

	No, no, no, no!  Post it here!  
>
>Thank you in advance.

	Ditto.
>
>James Choi


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: Dating....
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:53:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.012308.19591@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>
>>... by questioning James on that thought you have proven yourself to be of
>>somewhat skewed view on dating.
>
>	Arrrg!  Give me a chance to prove it on real time.
>
>	Having cleaning up the road for 4 years (ask your Korean teacher
                               ^^^^
	"way" would have been a better choice of word, or at least, would
have confused me a lot less.  :)  I have to  tell you though, that I just
loved your direct Korean to English translation.  

>	if you don't get this), I'm seriously considering my second career
>	on Miari UnMyoungCheolHakWon (fortune teller?).

	And you are going to predict that the world ended last month, right?
>
>	Daeshik Kim	H: (703) 273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878

Brian "The world did end, you just haven't heard the news, yet." Chung
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From: shin-jungshik@yale.edu (Jungshik Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: internet network
Date: 23 Nov 1992 23:18:07 -0500
Organization: Yale University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu
Keywords: KOTEL

In article <1992Nov23.201755.21945@sol.UVic.CA> hjkim@sol.UVic.CA (Hyong-Joong Kim) writes:
>I am wondering how to communicate with a user at KOTEL.  It is a company
>user through kotel, however, the id is not on bbs at kotel (kids.kotel.co.kr).
>Probably, it belongs to another node at KOTEL.   Can any guru drop me a
>line, if possible?   How can I send a message to a user (they say that it
>belongs to hitel (157) --- which I do not know) ?  

    As far as I know, there's no way to correspond with users at HITEL or
for that matter, at other nation-wide BBS' in Korea electronically. Actually, 
there's one way but not so cheap. That's ask one who you want to send a
letter to join in POSSERVE(a nationwide BBS in Korea affiliated with
CompuServe in the US) and pay extra charge for connection to CompuServe. 
As you may know, e-mail can be sent between Internet and CompuServe.
I've heard that HITEL will open a gateway to Internet allowing its users to
send e-mails to users at Internet in some future.  I've been waiting for
more than 9 months. I don't know when it'll be done.
 My home is not in Seoul and my parents have to make a long distance call
to connect to KIDS  to correspond with me electronically.  Hence, a link 
between HITEL and Internet is what I  desperately want. I'll post when that
link opens.   

>
>Thanks,    Hyong-Joong Kim.
>Ps: if it's the 2nd posting, please ignore the 1st one. 
>

   Jungshik Shin

 P.S. As implied above, those in Seoul are able to send and receive e-mails
using KIDS BBS without any account at Internet/Bitnet host at local phone
rate.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gag-Lae  Kim)
Subject: Re: Kim, Yong Oak:what is your opinion about him?
Reply-To: gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gag-Lae  Kim)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:41:08 GMT

In article <98782@netnews.upenn.edu> hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung) writes:
>In article <1992Nov23.033522.5501@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> kim_nl@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Nina L Kim) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov22.234043.9840@news.columbia.edu> gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gag-Lae  Kim) writes:
>>>	Subject precisely says it all.  What are your opinions?
>>>
>>>	Gag-Lae Kurtis Kim
>>>	gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
>>>	THE SEEKER OF TRUTH
>>>
>
>Nina, I couldn't agree more!!

	Think a bit harder Mr. Seung.  I am sure you can come up with
another food category relating to this subject as you have done for
past several subjects ranging from church to Korean male.  Quite a
talent there, quite a talent.  I expect to see you on MBC/SBS/KBS
morning cooking sessions ("Today's Yori Ghang-Seup") in no time:)

	Gag-Lae Kurtis Kim
	gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
	THE SEEKER OF TRUTH
From: hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: My life as a Bulgogi (Re: korean guys...)
Date: 22 Nov 92 09:31:25 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov22.004858.19096@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>	Just out of curiosity; well, actually I desperately need to know.
>	How do you maintain such appetite and what's your weight?

I am only a shadow of myself and true identity lies elsewhere.  Even
my e-mail existence could easily reside among your dish.  Abolishing
the boundary between the public and the private should not be in your
highest priority, although I do happen to live in a glass house.  To
clear any controversies, however, I am healthy enough to be sent to
the 38th parallel.
   By the way, have you had soojaebi lately?  It is absolutely
wonderful in a cold day like today.  Very easy to make, too!

Hyunsuk Seung
hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: umeister@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eushuk Hong)
Subject: Re: korean guys...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 20:31:52 GMT

In article <Mf2kpU600iV4Q9Fl8o@andrew.cmu.edu> hm15+@andrew.cmu.edu (Hannah Moon) writes:
>hey all
>this message is a response to the dating message posted earlier.
>i'm a han gook girl.  ahn young.
>anyway, i really like korean guys - they are great, just like any other
>great guy. although it is tempting to say that guys are basically the
>same no matter what their race... i have to admitt going out with korean
>guys and other guys is a bit different.  in my experience, the korean
>guys i went out with all seemed to have this slight chauvinistic
>attitude that is rooted from the korean culture.  that ticks me off
>personally.  even when they joke,"shouldn't you be doing the dishes?" 
>it pisses the hell out of me.  for over a year now, i've been dating
>non-korean guys, mostly chinese.  and yes, the chinese seem to be
>different from korean guys.  are there any korean males (with
>experience) that can give some intelligent feedback?  

Hmmmmm...something tells me that chauvinism in men is not just limited to
Koreans and Korean culture.  If you take a look a Chinese history, you will
notice that womens feet were bound, etc, etc, so that they were subservient
to men.  I don't exactly know what experience and intelligent feedback you're
looking for, but I personally don't feel that I am more chauvinistic compared
to anyone else because of my race or culture.  I would strongly urge you to
take everyone as an individual, since I am sure that there are non-chauvinist
Korean men as well as strongly chauvinist Chinese or Caucasians out there.
Perhaps you just haven't run into them yet.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Dating....
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:00:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.213507.4804@bmerh85.bnr.ca> inyoung@bnr.ca (Inyoung Cho) writes:
>I dated Korean, Jewish, English, French, and Chinese.
>The english man is the best!! (somehow my other non korean 
>friends had same opinion, they dated all kinds.) 
>
>Inyoung

First, I wonder what the definition of "dating" is.  If it means having
dinner together or something more profound than that...

Anyway, do you care to elaborate?  What should a carrier of Korean gene do
in order to live up to those British gentlemen?

James Choi
From: shen@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Oberlin Conservatory-looking for Jeniffer Choi
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:45:12 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

Hello,

Does any of you know Jeniffer Choi at the Oberlin Conservatory?  She is a 
first-year student from Portland, OR.  If you do, please kindly send me 
her address or let her know my address below.  

Thank you very much!

Yong Shen
Shen@yang.earlham.edu
Earlham College
Drawer 1350
Richmond, IN 47374-4095
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gag-Lae  Kim)
Subject: Re: Yong Oak Kim, and Ki Philosophy
Reply-To: gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gag-Lae  Kim)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:18:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.024713.6352@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:

>	Who is he? Biologist? Writer?
>	Excuse my ignorance; but can you list some of his works?

	Here are the books he wrote.  I will not attempt to translate
the title of his books, and will try to write as close as possible the
way they sound.  I'll also attach his biographical and academic
background at the end.

	Yuh Jah Rhahn Moo Ut In Gah
	Dong Yang Hahk, Uh Dduck Hae Hahl Gut In Gah
	Roo Au Too Au Shee Yang Tze:Originally written in Chinese,
		translated by Kim.
	Joong Goh Sang Eul We Hahn Chul Hahk Ghang Euee
	Au Chee Moot Chin Dahn Mahl Yeet Ssu Rhi Oh
	Ah Reum Dah Woom Guah Choo Hahm
	Chul Jah Tahk Mah Dae Gee Mahn Suhng
	E Ddahng Eue Suh Sahl Jah Kkoo Nah
	Sae Choon Hyang Jun
	Noh Jah Chul Hahk E Gut E Dah
	Nah Nun Bul Kyo Rhul E rhuck Kkae Bohn Dah
	Noh Jah-- Gil Gua Ut Uhm
		
	And more...

	Biographical information:

	Entered Korea Univ. as biology student
	Quited school due to his illness
	Entered Hahn Kook Theology School to become a pastor
	Again changed is decision to now study philosophy at Korea U.
	Went to same graduate school
	Studied at Dae Mahn Univ. in Taiwan: masters degree
	Studied at Tokyo University: masters degree
	Studied at Univ. of Pennsylvania
	Studied at Harvard University: Doctoral degree
	Returned to Korea
	Became a professor at Korea U.
	Declared what he called "Yahng Sheem Suhn Un" and resigned
		from Korea U.
	Now studying Eastern Medicine at Won Guang University

	If you have any question regarding the title of the book,
please feel free to ask.  I hope this is enough to satisfy what you
asked.  

	Gag-Lae Kurtis Kim
	gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
	THE SEEKER OF TRUTH
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: ahn@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (john.k.ahn)
Subject: Re: Dating
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:30:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.040730.17925@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>	I've done it, and I found almost no difference.  I've dated a Turk,
>a French, an American, and a second generation Korean.  Talk about branching
              ^^^^^^^^
Unless you mean a native American, please don't exclude a "second generation
Korean" from the group called "American".  I know you didn't mean it, but
such misuse perpetuates the idea that we Korean-Americans (or Asian Americans)
are not real "Americans".

Just a friendly attempt to raise awareness.

>T. H. Brian Chung                      | Happiness is...              
>Internet: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu   | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
>Bitnet: jfe@cornella                   | 210 Lake St. Apt. 11-A 
>DECnet: CESR10::THC                    | Ithaca, NY 14850  Tel: 607-272-1543 

J. Ahn (A 1.5 generation Korean-American)
AT&T Bell Laboratories
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From: 7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca (Henry E Chon)
Subject: Re: Dating....
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 13:25:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.035457.23769@wam.umd.edu>, south@wam.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
> In article <1992Nov21.010039.19907@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>>
>>First, I wonder what the definition of "dating" is.  If it means having
>>dinner together or something more profound than that...
>>
>>Anyway, do you care to elaborate?  What should a carrier of Korean gene do
>>in order to live up to those British gentlemen?
> 
> 	Is it just me that makes me think James is perverted?
> 	Or am I perverted?
> 

I don't know why Daeshik thought James was perverted.  Maybe it is him that
read into the first two lines.  Hey, contrary to your belief, when I or
people around me say someone is dating, it can mean both just dinner together
or even night out together and "something more profound than that...".  I 
think by questioning James on that thought you have proven yourself to be of
somewhat skewed view on dating.  Nothing is wrong when two consenting adults
meet and engage in "something more profound than just dinner together" as
long as both of the parties agree to.  I thought James' question was quite
valid and I anticipate the answer from Inyoung.  I think, though, she didn't
mean casual dating when she said she dated them.

Henry
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Kidnapping young girls
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 17:47:02 GMT
Organization: What Org?

In article <1992Nov23.161101.21915@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>Korean males seem to have an attraction for young girls (also
>called young-gye, literally means young chicken)

	Also, I've often heard the same expression from older (than I) females
	referring me (since my last girl friend in Korea was older than I),
	which wasn't very offensive to me.

	However, your theory between kidnapping & young-chick doesn't
	seem to have enough supporting facts.

	Less Korean male would ask out older female when he knows she is older
	(I didn't khow either), while less Korean females would go out with
	younger males (let me say this is my thought to leave room to escape
	from flames).

	Again, I do not understand why Gov't or Police would not crack
	down those places which seem to be known to public pretty well.
	Any idea?
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703) 273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	DAESHIK.KIM@sprintintl.sprint.com	dskim@eng.umd.edu
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: Kidnapping young girls
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:51:21 GMT

In article <22NOV199220125008@zeus.tamu.edu> c0y2509@zeus.tamu.edu (Charles Willow/Chang-Hoon Yoo) writes:
[blabbering about correlation between fat in one's diet and one's sex drive]

	There are two things that my psych profs always said to us during
the lecture:

	#1.  Do not blindly accept authority.  (in regards to some Johns
	Hopkins research)
	#2.  More importantly, CORRELATION DOES NOT MEAN CAUSATION
	NECESSARILLY!  Yeah, sure, there may be a correlation between
	the fat content of one's diet and one's sexual urge, but one needs
	to prove that one is the cause of the other.  I suggest you read
	an intro psych textbook to see what kind of truly silly things
	can be claimed based on correlation only.  I recommend _Introductory
	Psychology_ by Gleitman.


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