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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 11:38:29 CST
From:         Dave <USTS060@RUST1.DPO.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: school

> May I ask, bluntly, if either of the teachers of "Rock, Racism, and
> the Mass Audience" can play a simple blues progression on the piano?
> What I find frustrating about these courses is that many of the instructors
> are deaf as a post, and teach not music, but LYRICS, treating "a song" as
> "words-which-are-the-meaning, plus some sort of background-which-only-
> requires-an-adjective-or-two"; in short, many of these Indeterminate Studies-
> type folks don't particularly CARE for music, nor do they understand it (not
> surprisingly). A symptom to watch out for: if either of these worthies directs
> you toward the REAL meaning (as opposed to the "apparent" meaning), you're
> dealing with the dreaded tribe of Vulgar Marxists; head for the exit a.s.a.p.!
> MWM

    You know I hadn't really thought about it.  I'm sure that the
brunt of the course will focus on the social/political impact of
rock.  The Emglish prof will of course take his shots and I'm sure
that the main of his syllabus will cover lyrical content and view it
as poetry.  I'm not sure what will come of the music itself.  Class
is in a few hours.  Guess I'l let ya know tomorrow.






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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:12:08 -0500
From:         MCFARLDR@UCBEH.BITNET
Subject:      Re: It's after midnight...

IF you liked Fear, you should really try and listen to Pale, which was the
album released before Fear.  I think its the better album of the two.  They
also have their first album Bread and Circus.  They have been to Cincinnati
three times in 1992, two concerts sold out and the third was a free concert
at an annual event on Memorial Day.  I was fortunate enough to see that one
and I would recommend seeing them if you have an opportunity to.
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:10:34 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Silkscreen Speaker

I'm gonna re-cover my speaker grilles on my house speakers and i got to
thinking about putting a design on the grilles, has anyone ever heard of
this ? I think it's a good idea, at first I thought about an actual picture
of something, now i'm leaning toward having a "cascade of notes" that look
like their in motion, Is this a crazy idea ?. Any suggestions for desgins
I thought about SRV on one speaker and Duanne on the other. I won't do the
silkcreen myself and I'll buy a roll of material so if it doesn't work out
i'll just change my mind....What do ya think.......L.W.
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 07:49:52 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Marsha tries Bloom's method - mondopost!

On Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:47:01 CST Paul Heroy said:
>
>If LW had his way, we'd all just know what we know at birth and be listening
>to stones banging together - of course, it would be a blues, though we would
>not have a clue why ;-) Come on Lenny, haven't you ever heard something that
>had no appeal at first but later grew on you to the point that you really got
>into it?

Maybe i mis-understood, sure alot of music has to grow on me, but i thought the
idea was some type of music say Dance music that you do not like any of it and
listening to it until you get used to it. If there was a Jazz or blues album
that i didn't really care for that may "grow-on-me" because that's the type of
music i like, but the dance music would never "grow-on-me", but i would get
used to it eventually (maybe)...........................L.W.
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:51:23 CET
From:         SWELTON@ESOC.BITNET
Subject:      RE:One-hit wonders

>Wasn't _Come On Eileen_ Dexy's second hit? And, didn't they have a third
>hit that was taken fron their _To-rye-eye_ (spelling?) album?

Yep, Geno was the first.  Didn't this topic come up some time ago (18 months)
and wasn't it noted that a one hit wonder in America may be a multiple hit
wonder in Europe or the UK?

Seb
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 07:34:46 PDT
From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Rain songs

>
>OK, got a question - anyone know who recorded a song called "Book of Rules"?
>I heard Bobby & the Midnights cover it once, but I'm looking for the original
>recording. Methinks it's of Jamaican origin, but that's the only clue I've
>got.

Dingggg! Yes, it was written by Leroy Sibbles and recorded by his reggae band,
the Heptones. It's shown up on a number of reggae compilation albums and was
also featured in the 1981 Jamaican movie, "Rockers". Bob Weir does this tune?
Does he embarrass himself on it?


David
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:41:00 -0700
From:         DARIN@COMSYS.BYU.EDU
Subject:      UNSUBSCRIBE ME

Please remove me from the ALLMUSIC list at your first convenience.
    Thank You
        DARIN@COMSYS.byu.edu
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Date:         Sun, 10 Jan 1993 15:12:59 EST
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Rick Hits the Big-Time

In yesterday's mail I received a CD of the band Outer Circle, in which our
very own Rick plays trombone.  The CD is called "Sunny Someday" and my husband
and I think it is nothing less than GREAT.  I'm dumb so I forgot to bring
the CD in here with me so I can't tell you, as good reviewers should, who is
playing what, but it's about eight guys, black and white, playing some hot
Afro/Latin percussive incredibly tight (professional, on the mark) yet wild
and loose and fun music.  My husband said it made him think of the two-tone
black/white reggae/Latin-influenced band called English Beat.

"Don't Pressure Me" had some fab guitar, sax, bass-work on it... The balance in
quality of all the members of this relatively large band is amazing, as is
their ability to move in the same groove.  On "Banana Fonte" the guitar
thrilled me no end with its country-blues-rockabilly edge.  Vocals are
wonderful throughout.  "Cafe Life" had me dancing some not-yet-invented Latin
dance all over the kitchen.  Then the afro/blues guitar of "Merengue" and
 "Ade ju ju" and
"Bustelo" had me going "yeah, yeah, get down, " and then we hit "Rituals of
Stone and Smoke" (great title and lyrics) WOW, and THEN the last cut, "Dark
Kush," an 8-minute jam, had me standing on my chair and waving to the band.  A
reggae-feel here (as in others) and a perfectly astounding cool, intricate,
funky TROMBONE SOLO by Rick... INCREDIBOBBLE!  I had to play this cut again
this morning.  Rick's trombone trading licks with some great guitar, and oh
yes, the bass...

I didn't write my usual psychedelic review, folks, because RICK WROTE IT FOR
ME:  "35,000 puppies swallowing soap bubbles--watch out, here come the
umbrella-shaped kiosks hurtling from the plaid clouds to be shattered to bits
by microscopic behemoths."  That says it all.

Sonia
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:48:42 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: No Cameras Allowed

On Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:25:37 EST Ken Koester said:
>
>I really doubt it would stick.  Photography is a legitimate and time-honored
>means of expression & I find myself angered beyond words that some stupidly
>officious business interest would think that it could restrict it.

I would think that if i didn't want you to take my picture i should have the
right to not allow my picture to be taken (i'm copyrighted). The only reason
i could think of that would make it stick is because it says no on the ticket.
So the "patron" broke the rules which was printed there in black & white.
I'm gonna try it anyway..............L.W.
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 10:50:00 EST
From:         "John M." <LIBJRM@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Book of Rules

r.e. the song "Book of Rules", David writes:

>Dingggg! Yes, it was written by Leroy Sibbles and recorded by his reggae band,
>the Heptones. It's shown up on a number of reggae compilation albums and was
>also featured in the 1981 Jamaican movie, "Rockers". Bob Weir does this tune?
>Does he embarrass himself on it?

Thanks for the info, David; you don't happen to know the names of any of those
compilations, do you?

As for Bob embarrassing himself, well, that's a complex question, but over the
years I've come to doubt whether he even has the capacity to do so.
Actually, though, Bobby & the Midnites did a fairly respectable version of this
particular tune. Probably because Billy Cobham was laying down the groove...

Thanks again-

John M
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:11:56 EST
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The rain, the park, and other things

>> I thought the CD limit was around 74 minutes.
>
>Steven Feigenbaum of Cuneiform Records says the mastering lab he uses can go
>up to 76 minutes. He says they can actually go further, but what they have to
>do is eliminate some of the error correction codes, increasing the likelihood
>that the CD won't track properly in a sub-optimal player.

There are a number of Tull CDs that clock in at 77-78 min.

                                                          -Tim
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:25:21 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      1993 predictions

Inquiring minds want to know:

Billy Raye Cyrus will release 1 cd box set it will be a big seller

Elvis's body will be exhumed for one more farewell concert and everyone
will be suprised that he's lost weight (he'll plug Nutra-system)

Rod Stewart will release a love song/video

Keith Richards will learn more chords and become a jazz sideman

Axl Rose will take a bath and wash his hair while appearing on Donahue

Dan Quayle will take up potato(e) farming

Clinton will admit to drinking beer, but not swallowing

Bonnie Raitt and Michael Jackson will do a duet

John Lee Hooker will do another album with musicans he don't need

Eddie Van Halen will endorse another brand of guitar and Black & Decker

Rogaine will sponsor the Skinhead rallys

Musical condoms will hit the market , called the California Condoms
and be on sale at Hardee's (.69 with purchase)

Sinead O'Connor will slug-it-out with Geraldo on national TV, Geraldo's
nose will be broken

So what i'm hungry.............L.W.
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:02:16 CST
From:         Renato <U33963@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Back from vacation

On Tue, 05 Jan 93 10:52:10 PDT <SPGDAM@UCCVMA> said:
>You asked for it, you got it. Here's Leonard's 'vacation' post. I know, I
>know... it's incurable, like a disease. Help! Somebody stop me before I
>remember again!
>
>Actually, my memory is extremely selective, so there are often gaping holes
>where important (read: work-related) things should be. OTOH, I could win a
>fortune on "Name That Tune". Go figure.
>
>Got my wife with this small joke when we were still a-courtin'...
>
>Me:  I don't know. I can't remember. (Sigh) That's the second sure sign of
>     growin' old... is losin' your memory.
>
>She: What's the first sign?
>
>Me:  I forgot.
>
>(Laughter)
>
>Hey, I SAID 'small' joke, pal. Tell me something, if you would, kind sir.
>Is this 'my-last-post' bit a gag, or are you serious? I hope you're just
>yankin' our collective chain, because we'll sure miss you!

David,  Thanx for the note and the kind words.  They're much apprecitated.
I'm sorry to tell you that I *am* serious about taking a leave of absence
from Allmusic. Classes begin next week, and I have a million tasks ahead
to fulfill.  In fact, I shoulda left Allmusic behind months ago, but like
a carefree moth my wings kept flirting with the fire -- in brief, I simply
couldn't make a clean break.  Now, alas, the time is here.  I regret if
anyone thinks I've been irresponsible and yanking someone's chain.  Surely
not my intention, trust me.   I'm really going to miss all of you.  If I
ever have any "real" time to myself, I'll look at the list thru Netnews on
weekends.  As I've said before, the last months on Allmusic have been
truly magical and blissful -- more than I can ever say.

                                                       -Renato

P.S.  Remember that as a Guardian of the Allmusic Flame, you have special
responsibilities.  I know you'll fulfill them superbly.

>
>Anyway, Leonard's classic "Who, me?" follows.
>
>D.
>
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Hey I just got back from vacation, (about 5 mins ago) , did i miss anything
>my co-worker said she has been using my terminal to talk music some with
>you folks, I hope she did good. I sure missed all of you, went to Austin
>Texas, lot of nice music out there. Damn glad to be back
>
>OMC: Picked up the new Peter Gabrial...Incredible,  I've been alternating
>between him and Queensryche the last couple of days...that's some kicking
>shit................L.W.
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:46:11 -0500
From:         HLC2@PSUADMIN.BITNET
Subject:      Ken's control

Like I said, lay it on me. If a man's lack of control concerned me, I wouldn't
have graduated from Penn State. ;-)

Heather
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 09:23:32 EST
From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>
Subject:      In The Court of the Crimson King (was Crimson's middle album)

On Tue, 5 Jan 1993 08:28:40 EST Ken Koester said:
>On Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:19:16 EST Ilia said:
>>
>>Well, it surely is a matter of taste, but I never really thought of
>>_In The Court Of The Crimson King_ the way I think about later albums.
>>It contains a lot of interesting (more or less) innovations, such as
>>extensive use of 'traditional' instruments on, say, "Epitaph", or a
>>long 'free' jam on "Moonchild", but generally, it is not nearly
>>as original as the things Crimson did some two years later. _In The
>
>Possibly, but I must inform you that when it came out, late '69-ish/early
>'70-ish, there was absolutely nothing like it on the scene.  Oh, the mellotrons
>could remind one of Moody Blues. . . in the same way that a Mozart string
>quartet reminds one of Ravel, right!  Otherwise, it was *totally* different.
>Different in tonality, different in conception, different in layout--I can't
>*begin* to tell you how different this album sounded to all of us good ol' boys
>back in the days of wine and acid (-:
>
Absolutely!  Me and the boys in the 'hood were completely *stunned* when this
album came out.  I believe it was released in time for Christmas of '69, but
could be wrong.  We must have worn out my friend Danny's copy within a month
after he got it.  Sure, there was other psychedelic music around, but nothing
was so transfixing, so different (and so frightening) as _In The Court of the
Crimson King_.  Sometimes being an old fart has its advantages, like having
had the experience of hearing this record for when it first came out, so that
one could not possibly have been prepared for it.

-Scott "Charter Member of the Old Fart Club" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 09:05:45 CST
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      BBC One recordings released

There's a blurb in the latest Rolling Stone about a company named ROIR
(Reach Out International Records, I think) which is about to issue a series
of recordings made live in the studio during BBC One radio broadcasts. Some
of the artists were listed, and a few really caught my eye: XTC (who haven't
performed live for years, so a *real* treat there - I think theirs is from
a 1980 show), Soft Machine, Caravan, and a couple I can't remember. Of course,
there were several others that didn't catch my eye, too. Be on the lookout for
this series, which should have some real gems for collectors.

Paul
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:01:36 EST
From:         Adam Levin <Adam.Levin@LAMBADA.OIT.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: weird instruments
              93 06:16:09 am

From:         H B Lee
Subject:      Re: weird instruments
> A saw.  Not a chainsaw, but a good old (acoustic? :) saw which cuts
> wood by being drawn back and forth.  I remember watching this Chinese
> guy play the saw as a musical instrument in a variety show on tv when
> I was younger.
....
>
> I'm also curious to know if anybody has seen somebody try this in
> other parts of the world.  Hmm.

It's not _too_ uncommon. It's sometimes used in Folk and Bluegrass music.
For a taste, try out The Flatlanders' _More a Legend than a Band_ on
Rounder records. This is the band that spawned Joe Ely, Butch Hancock and
Jimmie Dale Gilmore. Steve Wesson is credited for the "musical saw."

-Adam
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:53:52 CST
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Saving up your Xmas money
              4 Jan 1993 13:11:49 CST from <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>

On Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:11:49 CST crispen said:
>
>Has anybody heard the new NiN EP _Fixed_?

Nope, but I did see the first video on 120 Minutes last week. I dunno - looked
like self indulgent posing to me. I have Pretty Hate Machine, and I loved the
hit song 'Head Like a Hole', but nothing else off that album did much for me.
Too synthy, industrial and machinelike. A lot of just pure poison in the
lyrics. Fixed is supposedly a little more guitar based, from what I've heard,
but I'm not rushing out to get it....

Paul
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 11:53:54 EST
From:         jc-s <GE777009@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Who would you choose?

>Posted on 6 Jan 1993 at 11:40:50 by Leonard Watkins
>
>Who would you choose?
>
>Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 10:36:04 CST
>Reply-To:     Discussions on all forms of Music <ALLMUSIC@AUVM.BITNET>
>From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
>
>A local club owner has a big Crawfish boil party and the entertainment
>in the past has been Marcia Ball, but not this year. He tried to get the
>Neville Bros, but wasn't able to. Who would you choose that has a "name"
>and is in the 15 thousand range. I suggested Johnny Winter, give me some
>names so i can make sure he gets a good act..It's a Blues type party..L.W.

How about:

Blue's Traveller
Spin Doctors (maybe they'll tour together, they are good friends)
Fabulous Thunderbirds
The Radiators
Buckwheat Zydeco
Roomful of Blues (local act, doesn't cost 15k, but can book with another band)


That's about all i can think of at the momen.

Jenna
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:13:58 KST
From:         DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      Cleveland Freenet

Wondering if anyone out there knows (or can get hold of) the host
address, i.e., host NUMBER, for Cleveland Freenet?  It would be a
BIG help to my 'zine, Improvijazzation Nation, as there are several
folks in the Cleveland area interested in it, but my only commo is
snailmail right now... mainly interested in contacting one Luigi-Bob
Drake, who runs a radio show there!

My THANKS in advance!

ZZAJ
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:26:26 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Tough crowd

On Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:20:06 -0500 <HLC2@PSUADMIN> said:
>Forgive my naivete for thinking the one-hit-wonder/rain thread was legit.
>Geez, I wasn't around last year. Can't you cut the new kid a little slack?
>
>Heather
>[a little too virus-riddened to put up with unwarranted flaming today]

Naw, it's an =ALLMUSIC= netiquette rule, never cut a newbie any slack so that
you can see how much they can take :-)
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:43:47 -0500
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      drug test

  Common practice with drug tests is that if you test positive, they
will test you again a few weeks later.  Easy to register a false
positive I guess.  If you're positive again later, they'll either put your
back in jail, fire you, or if you're valuable to them, they'll send
you to a brainwa...er, substance abuse program.   The best bet is to
really strive to be negative on the first test and avoid all the future
hassles.

  Disclaimer:  I've never had a drug test (I think my abuses of 10 years
ago have left my system by now anyway), but hopefully without opening up
a flaming discussion (is that possible?), I think in most instances drug
tests are an infringement on personal rights.  I know Dave agrees....

Russ
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Date:         Sun, 10 Jan 1993 16:43:00 GMT
From:         TSEADA@VRIT01.EG
Subject:      Re: One-Hit Wonders

>> Can anyone think of songs about rain, or with rain in the title?

November rain (Guns'n'Roses)
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:37:02 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: LW listened to PG

On Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:09:53 EST Ken Koester said:
>>
>Copyrighting is easy:  Just put the little copyright symbol on the ms. &
>a date.  Or just say, "Copyright 19xx" or whatever.  *Registering* a copyright
>with Uncle Sammy is slightly more difficult & possibly what you were thinking
>about as "legally" up there.  You have to pay a few bucks, but you have a
>little more protection in court, as there then exists an official record of
>your copyright which you can use to prove author/ownership, should it come
>to that.  Of course, if I found one of my songs attributed to Denver, I
>might be inclined to let the matter lie. . . (-:

You can always send your song or what-have-you to yourself via registered
mail and of course don't open it (until you're in court), but Cw'ing with
the Gov used to cost only 10 bucks (a few years back) and you can CW a whole
group of songs at one time and save money (ex: Lennys Songs can contain 10
tunes) it's pretty easy really (i wish someone would steal mine, where's Led
Zep when you need em..:-))..........L.W.