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Date:         Fri, 25 Dec 1992 09:51:22 EST
From:         Thomas Varouhakis <varouhak@ICARUS.MONTCLAIR.EDU>
Subject:      On Bosnia, Serbia and a Potential "Third Balkan War," #800
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              25 Dec 1992 12:40:58 +0100
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>
>Please don't think that I'm anti-Greek. I am not. I am simply
>trying to be fair.
>

how could I ever get such an idea... ohh please... Fairnes is in the
eye of the beeholder, nevertheless...

>Macedonia and annex it. How can a country of 2 mln. people, barely

According to your number theory calculations Israel should have ceased
to exist a long time ago...

>I believe that Greece's assertions that if Macedonia doesn't change
>its name it will start claiming a province of Greece bearing the same
>name are totally groundless. It's the other way around. If Macedonia
>retains its current name, Greece will have a good pretext to attack
>Macedonia and annex it. How can a country of 2 mln. people, barely

I think Greece if it wanted could have just stepped over Skopje any
time it wanted to whenever it wanted to. The fact that it hasn't is
the biggest proof that Greece does not care to annex that area. I
think it's about time we took some lessons from the Israelis.

>a comparatively big country, member of NATO with a population which
>is several times bigger?!
>

Does Vietnam ring any bells to you?

>In case of any hostility, Greece will have an automatic support of
>the Western world, because it happens to be a Christian country.

we will get as much support as we did in the case of Cyprus (just as
an example to where negotiations can lead you too - nowhere). Or
better of what we got as war reparations after WW-II. In per capita
comparisons Greece was destroyed more than any other country. It took
Germany a week to take over France, but a month to conquer Greece. (My
island Crete fought the Germans even after the rest of the country had
fallen).

>(4O% of the population of Macedonia is Moslem). I think the best
>solution of this problem would be if Greece changes the name of
>its province called Macedonia.

I find your assertion here offending and absurd. Obviously a lousy
"student" of history (as well as Mathematics).


>>Throughout history Macedonia has always been a part of Greek
>>history and culture from the ancient times to now.
>
>I hate to disappoint you, but that is simply not true. There is
>no continuity in Greek history or culture. Ancient Greece has
>very few (if any) things in common with modern Greece. Ethnically,
>modern Greeks are as different from ancient Greeks as American
>Indians are different from the peoples of India. Any objective

Besides anything else a puritan racist too. (what a surprise!). But
why should I be surprised? Nazis in Germany RIGHT NOW dispute what
happened in WW-II. The legal system in this country disputed what
happened in the Rodney King episode that the whole world SAW with its
own eyes. You see WHAT you want to see. But I don't know where your
"historians" come from. For once I speak a language that comes from
that of my ancestros. I studied their way of life and philosophy in
that language. I live where they lived. I can easily trace my familly
origins back to the 1600 to thr Byzantine Empire. I know how my
familly came to Crete from Constantinoupoli. You really don't know how
reach our culture is and how much people belive in it. Greeks fought
against all odds the Persians in ancaint history, and they fought the
same way the Germans and the Italians against all odds 50 years ago.
They can be as united and divided now (civil war after ww-ii), as they
were fighting each other thousands of years ago.

Of course for a racist purist like you what counts is (skin colour -
its gray level for more accuracy I guess). If there was a copyright
fee for civilization mimicking Greece would be the richest country on
earth.

>Athenian philosophers, who you mention in your post, have as much
>to do with you or with your ancestral country, as they have to do
>with me. What I am saying is that modern Greeks can not claim the

I personally believe that the level of human intellect has not risen a
bit after ancaint Greek history - which makes it even harder for you
to have any association with them. :)


Thomas-
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