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From: C_COTE@unhh.unh.edu (Carolyn\   Cote)
Subject: Re: Intercollegiate equestrian program?
Organization: University of New Hampshire
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:41:53 GMT
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In <1992Aug27.134402.27343@nmsu.edu> amerritt@dante.nmsu.edu writes:

>  Hi,  I was wondering if anyone knows anything about
> the intercollegiate equesterian programs offered at
> universities.  Our university is going to start one
> soon and I was wondering how it works.  I understand
> the team travels to other universities and competes
> on the hosting universities horses.  How often do
> the competitions occur?  What are the requirements to
> become a member of the team?  I am currently enrolled
> at the university for the sole purpose of taking the
> "english equestrian" course - would I qualify to be 
> on the team if I am only taking this one course?
> Is the intercollegiate equestrian program generally
> well thought of?  If anyone has any experience with
> this program I would love to hear from you!
> 
> Thanks!
I have been a member of the University of New Hampshire's
equestrian team for a few years now.  The only requirement
for being on the team is that you have to currently be 
taking a horsemanship class.  I believe that this is for
insurance reasons. There are usually 2-3 competitions per 
semester.  I may not sound like very many but the weather
tends to be a problem between late November to April up
here.  How it works is that each university in our area
decides to host a competition.  The host provides all of 
the horses and arranges the number of classes according
to the number of people competing.  Each class is for a
different riding level, so even if you are a beginner you 
can compete.  The day is usually set up so the flat classes
go in the morning, and the jump classes in the afternoon.
If you are competeing in a flat class you will probably 
be in the ring with about 8 others, and on a strange horse.
So, things can get a little adventurous at times.  
	Before the competition each team will pick 
"point riders" which will determine the entire teams
standing.  How these riders place in their classes are
added up and the team with the most points takes first.
Well, I hope this helps.  Good luck on the team!

Carolyn 
University of New Hampshire

> 
> Angie (amerritt@dante.nmsu.edu)
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From: vmm@cbnews.cb.att.com (virginia.m.medici)
Subject: Leaning
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:03:48 GMT

We are looking at a horse (to buy).
The temperament, looks, size are perfect.
The only thing that is bothering me is that when
you pick up its rear feet to clean them that he
seems to look to you for balance.
When he travels he does travel straight and has no
problem backing up.
The horse is 8 years young - and seems not to have
been neglected but looks as though it may have been
more of a pet than a riding horse.
Should I be concerned about his lack of balance when
cleaning his feet?
Thanks, GINI
AT&T-BL
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From: eroth@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (elizabeth.s.roth)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Want to buy saddle
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:57:30 GMT
Organization: AT&T


Want to buy:

	Beval saddle, size 16-1/2, close contact,
	with medium to wide tree.

	Contact Joy Poling ... (816) 884-2886
	        Route 1, Box 75
	        Harrisonville, MO  64701


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From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Wintec trees
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:07:52 GMT

Thanks for all the info on Wintec trees.  I have a questions to
those who have done distance in them-do you very carefully check
your horse's back (or does the vet do it) after long rides?  My main
concern is how evenly the tree distributes weight.

My friend almost bought a wintec Australian-stye.  She rode in it
and hated it.  Said the "wings" or "mickey mouse ears" were too hard
and very slippery.  She later bought a leather Aussie saddle and
loved it

Karen
From: gnd@idaho.amdahl.com (Greg Darnell)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Fescue info (long)
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:10:09 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corp., Rexburg, ID

Oops, I forgot to mention that, in the context of the original posting,
discussing what was proper horse pasture, clearly if you are starting/
seeding a new pasture, you should definitely avoid fescue seed.  If
you're evaluating an existing pasture, you have to trade off the risks
of the fescue versus the costs of killing and reseeding and trying to
keep any nearby fescue from re-invading.  In our case, surrounded by
large areas of fescue, stopping it from re-invading is next to impossible,
so we use the removal guidelines (mandated by snow anyway) and haven't
had any problems.

Greg
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From: rewald@scivax.stsci.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: A Basic Glossary...
Date: 29 Aug 92 21:55:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute

In article <1992Aug29.173932.24887@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, rudy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (avram.r.vener) writes:
> I was very happy to see the FAQ and I am sure it will prove invaluable when 
> (not if :-) I buy a horse.  Would some kind and knowledgable  soul be interested
> in putting together another FAQ which addresses Things Which Puzzle Beginning
> Equestrians?   Very basic things like:
> 
..
> Is endurance riding simply Very Long trail rides?
..
> I always thought there were two kinds of saddle, western and English. Now I
> am reading about dressage, all-purpose, Australian stock, etc. How many kinds
> of saddle are there? How do they differ?
..

I'd be happy to contribute to a FAQ on these two subjects - not that I'm an
expert, but ya gotta start somewhere!  Who IS taking care of the FAQ anyway-
I remember seeing something posted a little while ago, but it got cleaned out
of my directory (oops!)

> I have had two riding lessons so far.  How does one transit from the lowly ranks
> of the 'beginner' to the exalted status of 'novice'?  What's next?
> And so on...
> --
> Rudy Vener 
Congratulations on sticking with it so far!  As far as changing ranks goes, I
still can't tell how it works.  I'll be griping to my instructor about how
I just can't do _____(fill in the blank).  Then she'll remind me of what I was
working on last year, and those improvements since then.  So I'll see that I've
made progress, but what cubby hole I fit in still isn't obvious to me.  But I
have fun, and my horse and I don't get hurt, so it's worth persuing!
             Rosalie
From: macaj2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (MACKINNELL AMANDA)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Favorite Breed
Summary: gentle giants
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:11:12 GMT
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia


 I would like to second the admiration for the "big" horses... My eventer was a 17.2 Percheron/arab gelding who was the boldest yet gentlest thing on four legs..
 I have often noticed that these horses with a large share of "cold-blooded" horses are eminently sensible but have the power to do just about anything.

 Vulkan jumped out of a six foot fenced paddock and displayed many other talents in the jumping arena and had terrific flexion for such a large,heavy horse.

 there should be more of these sensible, big-going horses... I'm heartily sick of breedy, weedy, high-strung ponies.


 Amanda
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From: rewald@scivax.stsci.edu
Subject: Re: Putting on weight
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:04:20 GMT

In article <6053@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>, dabay@morse.cns.vt.edu (Marian Dabay) writes:
> I just recently bought a mare who is 8 years old and is very skinny.  The
> vet said she needs to gain at least 200 lbs!  I was told that she had been
> nursing a foal for about a year before it was weaned last summer and that
> was why she was so thin.  Also, her teeth needed to be floated.  Well,
.. 
> My questions are, should I just continue to increase her feed slowly, should
> I give her additives (if so, what) or should I have her teeth looked at
> again?  She still dribbles her feed when she eats and there is a lot of
> "slime" (?) in the bottom of her feed bucket when she's done eating.  What
> about having her "tube" wormed?  Is it more effective than paste worming?
> Any other suggestions for a "hard keeper"?
> Marian Dabay
> 
Hi - 
   Vegetable oil added to her feed may help - start with an ounce or two a day
and build up to about half a cup or so.  You'll know if you are giving her
too much by looking at her manure or anal area.  If the oil just passes through
you are feeding too much.
   I'm not sure about the worming - different chemicals affect different
parasites, so it depends what you used, I suppose.
   I'm curious about the "slime" in her feed bucket too, maybe she has swollen
glands in her throat or something, and it's uncomfortable for her to swallow?
(We had an aged mare at the farm whose teeth needed floating.  Even after they
were floated by a great dentist, she still held her head to the side and
chewed with only one side of her mouth.  It was attributed to be a habit by that
point.)
   Good Luck!       Rosalie
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From: king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King)
Subject: Re: Synthetic saddles
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 20:58:30 GMT

	I've had a Wintec all-purpose for 4.5 years now and have
	been generally happy with it.  It's been comfortable, I
	"stick" to it nicely, and it was one of the few saddles
	that has a pronounced cut-back-- my horse has very 
	pronounced withers and is hard to fit.  Also, I love the
	lack of maintenance required (esp for someone like me who's 
	always in a hurry....) and the price can't be beat.  One 
	annoyance when it was new-- it *squeaked* loudly- vinyl 
	against vinyl.  Also had trouble finding a large enough
	Wintec girth strap- eventually found a leather dressage one.
	
	But maybe these synthetics ought to be considered "disposable."
	It's showing its age now, having been ridden in almost every
	day (Two of us share the same horse and tack).  The outer fabric 
	is worn off in 4" spots on the panels, and the stirrup "leathers" 
	have worn out the lower edge of the panels, partly because of 
	the odd way they're configured; there's a metal tab that rubs 
	against it.  To be fair though, the other rider (my now EX-
	boyfriend-- try sharing a horse through a break up! :^) is heavier
	than average and rides fairly hard.  

	So, I need to buy another saddle again.  I might buy another
	Wintec (or Thorowood?) because of the fit and cost and
	convenience.  And then keep it all to myself  :^)  

	--Robin
From: locke@4ccvw54.scg.hac.com (Anne Locke)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Different Breeds ($$$) ?
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:32:19 GMT
Reply-To: locke@caesi.scg.hac.com (Anne Locke)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

I've been reading (with interest) all the recent posts regarding people's
favorite breeds (since I hope to become a horse owner someday).  My 
question is how expensive are these different breeds?  I pick up a copy
of Horse Illustrated from time to time as well as check the classified
ads to try to get some idea of cost.  It appears that some breeds (for
example Paso Finos) are always *really* expensive.

I realize that horse prices fluctuate greatly based on the current market
and that prices vary within a breed based on the horse's training and what
they will be used for.  Can anyone give me a list by breed of most expensive
to least expensive prices?  Ballpark figures are all I'm really looking for. 

Thanks,
Anne.

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From: jespah@milton.u.washington.edu (Kathleen Hunt)
Subject: Why post with outside foreleg?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:26:31 GMT

Hi there --
I have a friend who has just started taking riding lessons (she loves it!) 
and she asked me today why, when you're posting, you rise when the outside
foreleg goes forward.  I realized I didn't know.  I suppose rising with the
outside foreleg means the energy you're using to rise is coming from the
outside hindleg -- have I got that right??  What I'm asking is, is this just
a convention, or does it make it easier for the horse in some way?

Thanks --
Kathleen
  ...who is frantically studying for her orals on September 4th... 
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From: wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:28:52 GMT
Subject: Re: Putting on weight
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

>    When we want to fatten up a horse we add corn oil to the feed.  Also we go
>    to three feeds a day (morning, afternoon and evening).  I've also known
>    people who added things like Krunch and pellets to a hard keeper's feed.

The net has discussed the various oils before.  The summary is...
Corn oil has some possible draw backs.  It *may* cause some problems
such as tieing up.  Generic vegetable oil that contains no corn oil
adds just as many calories to the diet without the possible negative
effects.

Start with a couple of "gulbs" of oil in the feed.  (This is the 
one area where I've never really measured :-).  Most horses love
the oil in the grain.  

Wendy

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: reichard@nb.rockwell.com (Diane Reichard)
Subject: Re: need help with stubborn horse
Organization: Rockwell International
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:28:46 GMT


In article <14499@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas) writes:
> In article <1992Sep1.231902.14056@cco.caltech.edu> deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine) writes:
>  > Is it possible you 
>  >are either not as clear with your aids or are too far forward with
>  >your upper body at the trot?  Do you sit for several strides and 
>  >get a good half-halt before the departure?  Is his trot just plain
>  >too downhill?
> 
> Actually I'm usually too far forward, and he has a very sensitive
> back, so when I sit, he hollows out and gets quick.  I need to work on
> losing my strong seat and making it feather light so I can change my
> weight without hurting him.  Today I tried a back-saver pad and that
> seemed to help too.  He has the worst bone-jarring trot I've ever
> experienced, so sitting his quick trot is almost impossible to do
> softly without bouncing.  I can sit his slow trot OK.  When he's
> rushing into the canter, I'm bouncing away, he's getting quicker and
> more downhill (he can have a lovely balanced trot, but only if it's
> slower), and the situation rapidly deteriorates until I bring him back
> to the walk and get the canter from there.
> 
It sounds as if he is possibly a bit cold-backed (or at least very sensitive).
You might try staying in two point (or half-seat) initially while warming up
his canter in order to let his back relax before you really sit on him so
that he's not bracing and pushing you back up.  At the trot you can do the
same, or post lightly.  Another thought is to include flexion, counter-flexion,
laterals and suppling exercises in his warm up to get him to soften more and
stretch out his back before asking him to come into frame.  You may find it
easier for him to drive under himself after a bit of warm up that concentrates
on his back.  Once he starts to drive under himself, it's easier to lift him
off his forehand.  This should also make his gaits more consistently pleasant
to ride.

Diane

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From: AS.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Subject: Re: quarter sheets
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:56:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.122303.16950@pbs.org>,
mdresser@pbs.org (Melanie Dresser) writes:
>
>Does anyone out there use a Quarter Sheet for winter/cold weather riding?
>
>What is your Quarter sheet made of?  I notice they usually come in wool or
>acrylic, which one might be better and why?  And if wool, any idea what kind?
>How about flannel, or should I avoid cotton?  I really don't ride in the rain,

At the racing stable (in England) they used quarter sheets at all
times, except for racing. In the winter we used wool ones, and in
the summer we used lightweight ones, but whether they were cotton or
acrylic or a mix, I don't know. If you're planning on using it in
the winter, I would just pick a sturdy, soft fleecy wool, or maybe a
wool/acrylic mix to make it washable. Also, you might consider
making a lightweight one too, to make the fall/winter and
winter/spring transitions easy on your horse. But then again,
they're not made of glass.....

>What are it's measurements?  I expect that for my broad, long horse that I may
>need to add a few inches to the length, since I *think* they are usually made
>for the shorter backed TBs.  How does yours fit your horse--long enough on a
>normal backed horse?

We had horses of ALL shapes and sizes, and they all wore the same
size. But to make a custom one, just measure from the front of the
withers to the top of the haunch (or perhaps to the indentation of
the flank, which ever seems most logical). Then measure from the
bottom of one saddle flap, up over the back and down to the other.
That should give PLENTY of coverage.

>In general, do you find it helps to use a Quarter Sheet?  Do they get too warm
>with it?

I really loved them. If it gets unexpectedly warm, you can always
fold it up around the saddle to let their quarters cool.

We used them like this:

=damp chamois against the skin
=cotton rag on top of chammy
=quarter sheet
=rubber or gel pad
=saddle
(this was the customary thing...not, of course, set in stone)

Also, we would put the quarter sheet on, smooth it out, then fold
the bottom from corners on each side up to meet each other on the
spine. (kind of like making a paper airplane) This keeps the sheet
looking neat and tidy.

Good luck!

=gwyn
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From: linda@tellabs.com (Linda Jensen)
Subject: Re: riding without a girth?
Organization: Tellabs, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:59:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.212102.3921@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, lmasterm@cs.ulowell.edu (Lisa Masterman) writes:
> 
> 
> Gee...  you're lucky.  The day *I* learned my lesson about checking the
> girth was the day the horse I was riding took to a bucking fit while
> galloping across a field, and my weight shifted into one stirrup, flipping
> the saddle around to her stomach.  I had a very up-close and personal
> conversation with the ground and partially dislocated my left shoulder.
> Ouch.   *sheepish grin*
> 
> --lisa


	My only experience with a loose girth was with my
	current horse, during our 1 month 'trial period'
	before I bought her.  I am very cautious, and triple
	check the girth on both sides before mounting.  I 
	don't know where my head was this day.  I put my
	foot in the stirrup, one-two-three up..... and
	didn't go anywhere :-(.  The saddle slide under her
	belly.  

	Mind you, this was a horse I didn;t know well.  I
	envisioned a panicked horse maiming itself as it
	fled with a saddle hanging under its tummy . But, she
	didn't flinch as I frantically undid the 
	girth.  I certainly remembered that little episode
	when buying decision time came....
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Subject: Re: Favorite Breed
From: Bliss B. Siman <ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 27 Aug 1992 05:03:40 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I have a favorite breed but feel strongly that it isn't necessary to "knock"
other breeds to praise "mine". I can understand the delight that has been
expressed by those who have found their ideal in a heavy horse or heavy horse-
cross.  Wouldn't it be too bad for me--barely 5' and 102 lbs--if I tried to
emulate them. However, the comment about weedy,stringy ponies as a contrast was
so unfair! A true pony is neither weedy nor stringy and can have as much of all
those wonderful characteristics that were pronounced unique to the heavy horse
breeds. As readers of this list will remember, Arab owners and devotees have
sung the praises of their horses, a breed I had always heard was too "hot" so
I learned a lot about breed stereotypes from that discussion. In fact, I have
learned a lot about my own breed from having more than one of them. I presently
own two Connemara geldings and a Connemara-Thoroughbred cross. I previously
owned a Connemara mare.  They all share some wonderful characteristics, traits
for which the Connemara is justly renowned, but they are also each very, very
different.  My latest is as spooky as can be, an uncommon Connemara trait, tho
he looks the most typey of all!  Anyway, I LOVE to read about people's delight
in their horses, like to share mine, but I won't insult your kid if you don't
insult mine.
From: rudy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (avram.r.vener)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: A Basic Glossary...
Date: 29 Aug 92 17:39:32 GMT
Organization: AT&T

I was very happy to see the FAQ and I am sure it will prove invaluable when 
(not if :-) I buy a horse.  Would some kind and knowledgable  soul be interested
in putting together another FAQ which addresses Things Which Puzzle Beginning
Equestrians?   Very basic things like:

What is Dressage?
What is hunter style riding?
How does hunter style differ from jumping?
Is endurance riding simply Very Long trail rides?
What is a warmblood?
Are there also coldbloods and hotbloods?
What is a saddlebred?
What is a thoroughbred?
I always thought there were two kinds of saddle, western and English. Now I
am reading about dressage, all-purpose, Australian stock, etc. How many kinds
of saddle are there? How do they differ?
What is jumpseat?
What is saddleseat?
Are there any other kinds of seats? I know there are sore seats :-)
Can anyone reccommend some good books to answer all this stuff?
I have had two riding lessons so far.  How does one transit from the lowly ranks
of the 'beginner' to the exalted status of 'novice'?  What's next?

And so on...

--
Rudy Vener 
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