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From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: Get Fat! Re: Exercise (Was Re: ... laundry?)
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:52:13 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

In article <1992Apr8.204027.6901@uoft02.utoledo.edu> fax0405@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.114450.26547@ircam.fr>, francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis)
> writes:
>
>> 8) A certain Jewish deli-restaurant in a certain area on Fairfax;
>> Chicken Kreplach; Matzo-ball soup; Dr. Brown's Cream Soda; Meatloaf;
>                                                 ^^^^^
>
>          True afficianados of Jewish delis would know that the
>          preferred flavor is Dr. Brown's CELERY Soda.  Nor do you
>          have to be a Native New Yorker to find it -- I have seen
>          it in delis in Toledo and Akron, OH!
>

For the record and for those who think we're the boonies out
here, two of my favorite restaurants in Seattle, Matzoh
Mamma and A. Jay's, stock both -- I do prefer the celeray,
but a really good cream soda is nothing to be scorned. The 
chicken-in-a-pot dinner at A. Jay's is my idea of living high.

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Only the mediocre can always be at their best." -- Mencken
For an average time write uunet!microsoft!frankm
For an even more mediocre time try frankm@microsoft.com
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 20:01:10 EDT
From: Tim Bieling <QAA@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay is PC (was Re: Speaking to the Point)
 <1992Apr10.154333.90009@watson.ibm.com>

In article <1992Apr10.154333.90009@watson.ibm.com>, jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
(Jake Coughlin) says:
>
>jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II):
>> Oh.  Gay is PC.  Sorry ...
>
>none of my gay or lesbian friends are PC -- in fact, everyone i know,
>and everything i read on soc.motss blasts PC as a superficial answer to
>raising consciousness.  if i look at the stereotypes in society, namely
>drag queens, Men On ___ (In Living Color), bulldozer dykes, i don't
>find *any* form of PC.
>
>where is this attitude that fags and dykes are PC coming from?

His statement is simply wrong.  The PCness he mentions is the
idea that non-discrimination clauses, hate crimes laws, etc
are a PC knee jerk reaction.  (i.e., it is PC to support these
kind of laws, clauses, etc)

I hardly consider myself PC by any stretch.

-Tim
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: silliness on a thursday
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:25:58 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Apr9.235237.20906@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>I didn't hear the phrase "innocent victim" in his comments or
>in the surrounding comments.  Maybe I missed them.  In any case,
>they're unwarranted.


Actually, I did not mean for that to sound like a comment against Arthur,
who was quite classy in his announcement.  I was thinking more of the
coverage offered by the SF Comical (Chron...) and Morning Repetition.  The
media were being obnoxious here, not Arthur.


>What surprised me was how "hands-off" the press was on the scum-bag
>tactics of USA Today which threatened to expose him based on third-
>party rumors.


Worse yet was USA Tomorrow's rationalization of why they were going to
do it.  They are a scummy bunch, but I guess that should come as no 
surprise.



Jeff
-FWA
Xref: sparky soc.motss:20397 soc.singles:11303
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Welcome class!
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:14:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr14.214119.13060@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
>>kennedy@athenanet.com (Edward Kennedy) writes:
>>:... or to force him/her into homosexualty?
>>:... etc., etc.?
>>:  ///    H O M O P H O B I C   A N D    G L A D   O F   I T  !  \\\
>
>
>Welcome class.  Today we're going to examine this specimen of
>Bigotus SuperDensius.  We've gagged it to prevent its high pitched
>We won't dissect it, as the species emits extremely noxious fumes when
>closely examined and only the truly dedicated scholar of the species
>attempts that nose threatening exercise.
>Professor Schwark
>ry@usl.com
 
Yes and Ed that joke:
 
How do you make a gay baby cry?
Take the pacifier out of it's butt.
 
isn't funny.
 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Put Me AWAAAAAAAYYYYY!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:05:35 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

To anyone living in Portland or getting a hotel room for the .con:

I wanna shack up. I don't care how many people there are, as long as
there's room to lay (on top of others accepted, but I squish, so the
reverse probly isn't unless the other is light). I need darkness at
night, can stand some noise, and don't mind others boinking in the
same room as long as I can watch. Be forwarned, though, I will most
probably borrow personal hygene products (except for a toothbrush;
I'm not a *complete* heathen), I like taking *long* showers, and I
tend to be a dip. But I won't steal or break anything, and I love
animals. So if your pad meets these requirements, and if mine can be
tolerated, and if you don't expect too much cash in return, you too
can have a cornfed Nebraska fag about the house (for a few days.)

Also, I hope there'll be plenty o' people to bum rides off of...

And Jojo, are you *reely* serious about the road trip? I'm intrigued!

Flit flit flit,

---
John Dorrance				** Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico **
ACM022@zeus.unomaha.edu
	You bring me to my knees while I'm scratching at the eyes
	Of a world I want to conquer and deliver and despise.
From: junikka@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Jari Junikka)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Pro-privacy (was Re: Mike Duffy speaks @ UMassLowell)
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:25:40 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics

tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes about gay republicans:
>No, I think of them as idealists.  I mean, if they succeed, queer
>activists would have a much easier time.

>I also think of them as people that are attacking the problem at it's
>base.  If Republicans found they could get a lot of votes by being
>"pro-privacy" (that's a secret code-word for pro-gay, in case you
>didn't know; but now that you know I'm going to have to kill you) it
>just might change a lot of things.

I have a big problem with people who has to resort euphemisms.
Euphemisms implicitly accept and promote the idea that homosexuality
is something bad. If we don't stop acting like being queer is okey,
no one is going to start treating us as members of human kind instead
of outcasts. I want people to make EXPLICIT pro-gay comments. 
Only then we can be sure that our rights and freedoms are guaranteed. 
Too many of the so-called pro-privacy people want to extend civil rights 
only to the happy homosexuals who confirm to society's norms. 

When someone says we should support politician X or Y, since they have
a good record (usually means they haven't initiated any anti-queer
legislation) and ignore the fact the politician has never gone down
in record in support of queer rights ("it's no big deal, she/he is
really supportative, it's just isn't a good idea to make a big issue
at this time of the campaign"), my response is "If it's not a big deal,
why don't the politician call a pressconference and announce his
support for example to federal gay rights legislation". 

I think we should demand that politicians we support make public
commitments in favor of our concerns in MAIN STREAM MEDIA.
Too of then we trust rumors leaked from the staff or comments made
unofficially to gay press. I want to be able to show what a hypocrite
they were, if they later let us down. 

jari
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Lip synching and stuff
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:04:27 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

In <11085@autodesk.COM> jduke@Autodesk.COM writes:

> Of course, Sing-a-long with Muzak at the grocery store is always alot of fun.

AAAAAA! I worked at Hinky Dinky (local grocery store, aka 'Stinky Pinky')
for a few months, and during that time I heard:

Right By Your Side by the Eurythmics (non-muzacized)

(muzacized)

I Am What I Am (gay pride song. Very fifties-sounding arrangement. Loved
it; felt like a '50's hausfrau in her plaid dress and good apron brightly
stepping down the frozen food isle to this cheery little ditty wondering
what the words were)

Papa Don't Preach. Madonna. Also: True Blue.

Then in other grocery stores I've heard Dirty Diana by Michael Jackson
muzacized, and in a mall I head Prince's Pop Life being piped in. Made
my day a happier place.

---
John Dorrance				** Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico **
ACM022@zeus.unomaha.edu
	You bring me to my knees while I'm scratching at the eyes
	Of a world I want to conquer and deliver and despise.
From: gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Gene Ward Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: SF writers (John Brunner in particular)
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:46:33 GMT
Organization: Centre Interuniversitaire en Calcul Mathematique Algebrique

In article <1ryj!9l.onr@netcom.com> onr@netcom.com (D. Owen Rowley)
writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.154945.15136@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM>
michelle@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Michelle Elliott) writes:

>>Several of his books, including SoZ, feature minor gay male
>>characters, always presented as good people who just want to get on
>>with their lives like anyone else.  I don't remember any lesbians.

>I can't say anything about his writing or characters since I've never read a
>word he's written, but I can say he was an insufferable prig while he
>was in our company.

In an early Brunner book I recall an Evil Lesbian and a Depraved
Homosexual Peaderast presented as models of naughtiness. I think
his ideas changed a bit later, since he does indeed have postive
gay characters in some of his stuff.

As for being a prat, it comes out in his writing. he is one of those
sf authors who regard the field as a bully pulpit for all his pet
ideas. Bleeh.
--
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/CICMA/Concordia University 
                  gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca
From: pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?))
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:13:25 GMT
Reply-To: pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr09.163903.19868@watson.ibm.com> jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
> ...and 1 pair of Birkenstocks.  speaking of Birkies,
>these things are more dangerous for dancing than any pumps that
>have graced my streamlined feet.  any tips?

*you*dance*in*birkenstocks*!?!?!?!?!?!

wow.  <awed look>  

peg
From: jduke@Autodesk.COM (Jeff Duke)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Lip synching and stuff
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:16:23 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
> A little question: What music causes you to lip-synch shamelessly when
> noone else is around (or even in public)?
> 

I can never turn down a sing-a-long with Kate and Cindy (B-52's).  "You know
what I feel like doing....I feel like making a cake..."

Of course, Sing-a-long with Muzak at the grocery store is always alot of fun.

Jeff
 I've got RevCo stuck in my brain
Xref: sparky soc.motss:20110 ca.politics:3438
From: djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Charles Turing's Untimely Death
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 04:09:48 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: NMS&Systems Engineering

jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II) writes:

> In article <1992Apr8.093355.18960@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) wr
> >                                                         Try to find
> >President Reagan's statements about AIDS. You'll have a hard time,
> >because our President didn't care: it was only faggots that were
> >dying.
> 
> No, our President DID care.  That's why research linking AIDS to
> sexual contact was made available to gay groups since the beginning.
> That's why doctors and politicians spoke out for the closing of
> gay bathhouses after it was shown how easily AIDS was being
> transmitted in them.
> 
> >You wonder why we're pissed?
> 
> If the people (gay leaders) that I trusted to watch out for my
> interests had betrayed me, I'd be pissed too.  Can't say that I
> blame you - except that you are blaming the wrong groups.  Try
> looking at the gay rights leaders that refused to admit in 1983
> that AIDS was spread by sexual contact.
> 
> If you'd like, I can provide sources and name names.  Something
> you'll be hard pressed to do.  Do you ever wonder about studies
> that find that significant fractions of the gay population are
> STILL practicing unsafe sex and lying about their HIV status?
> 
> Physician heal thyself!
> -- 
> John F. Haugh II      | VNET: LCCB386 at AUSVMQ | "Physical Fitness is the
> SneakerNet: 042/2F068 | MaBell: (512) 823-1078  |  basis for all other forms
> Internet: jfh@devnet.la.locus.com               |  of excellence"  -- JFK


Don't waste your time. The same gay 'leaders' are programming
their robots to tell everyone that AIDS is mainly a straight
disease nowdays...... 

They just forget to mention WHERE it is prevalent with straights.


-djk

--- Daniel J. Karnes / WA6NDT --------------------------------------
--- NMS&Systems Engineering ----------------------------------------
--- Djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM / ..CtEdge!Nitro!Djk ----------------------
-- 'innovative solutions for modern problems' ----------------------
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane)
Subject: Re: Lip synching and stuff
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 17 Apr 92 06:50:40 GMT

portuesi@tweezers.esd.sgi.com (Michael Portuesi) writes:

>Anything by Bananarama.

... or, i suppose, anything from the 'grease' soundtrack... :-)

--mike
From: keeling@cs.utk.edu (Tim Keeling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Going to Atlanta
Date: 9 Apr 92 11:18:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - CS Department

Hi!

I'm thinking about a trip to Atlanta and I have never been there before.

Could someone give me some tips on where to stay and such. Peachtree
street sounds like the place to be close to. Is this true?

I'll only be staying Friday and Saturday night.  Will I have to pay to
park at night?

Any information about Atlanta is appreciated.
Thanks.
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Deletions
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:12:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.35955
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <64928@apple.Apple.COM> stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson) writes:
>Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling) conjectures:
>> 
>>[George D. Madison] may have just come up with the perfect incentive for 
>>some soc.motssers to learn UNIX: do it or there'll be *no* tit clamps
>>for *you* tonight!
>
>No, THE incentive for soc.motssers to learn UNIX is to come out to your
>parents as UNIX gurus.  And when they stare blankly professing not to 
>understand, you can shower them with all sorts of books and manuals to
>help them.

I can just see this conversation:

"See Mom, Bach explains the origins and why some things are the way that
they are.  Leffler and McKusick, et. al., get us into a particular
*flavor* of UNIX.  Comer and Stevens are good for learning how to network
with others of your kind.  Of course, there are all these different
shells, which are sort of like your orientation.  Some people like the
straight Bourne shell while others are more into csh, or Korn, or BASH.
The important thing isn't what shell you use, but rather that you are
using UNIX and are happy with that choice.  No, Mom, it doesn't run in
Windows... "

On the other hand, I, for one, would like for Kirk to put a reference to
tit clamps in the intro to the 4.4BSD book.  ;-)

markm:QPer0w5u0LUMU:681:20:Mark Morrissey:/ogc/students/markm:/bin/adb
                                                              ^^^^^^^^
Does this qualify me as a guru??

--mark
---
Mark Morrissey    markm@cse.ogi.edu                             ____
"You were traveling at over 80,000 k.p.h. only 10 meters from   \  /
Cadet Albert, and you didn't even know his orientation?!!"       \/
                   - Admiral Brand to Wesley Crusher
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Subject: Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:36:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.215210.8506@athena.cs.uga.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
>
>     I agree (I forgot the message # for the post I am responding to) that
>     Madonna is not exploiting homosexuality or homosexuals.  As a matter
>     of fact, I think the undeniable presence of gay dancrs in "Truth or 
>     Dare" was an incredible risk that could have easily backfired, except
>     for one thing :  Madonna knows her audience and appreciates them


She may not have been exploiting homosexuals, but she certainly exploited
those dancers.  She would not remove scenes which bothered them.  The
scene where one of the dancers kisses the other on the lips was one which
the dancer involved wanted removed.  His mother's comments on it were
telling "now, the only people who did not know that ______ was gay, his
grandparents, saw it on TV."  or somesuch thing.

Madonna also did not tell these people that these scenes were going to be
in a mainstream release until about two weeks before the movie was going to
be released.  She did not give them any royalties (though they are suing
her to get them).


Basically, Madonna screwed those people to make her point.  Not exploiting
homosexuals in general, yes.  Not exploiting her dancers in specific, no.




FWA
From: mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Baby, I'm the best (Czech me out).
Summary: oh ...
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:53:44 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <13984@star.cs.vu.nl>, fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) asks:

> what is the position of modesty in the Americas?

nothing to brag about ...

-- 
Michael L. Siemon		   "Oh, stand, stand at the window,
					As the tears scald and start;
mls@usl.com			   You shall love your crooked neighbor
standard disclaimer			With your crooked heart."
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael Thomas)
Subject: Re: Lutefisk recipe (was Re: outing the stars)
Reply-To: mike@gordian.com (Michael Thomas)
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 03:31:33 GMT

In article <kuscg9INNa42@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
|> I was going to have Mexican food tonight.  Hmmm.  Anyone know where
|> I can find a nice piece of cod that's been soaked in brine and who 
|> knows what else (potassium hydroxide? potassium hydroxide salts?)
|> until it's a pulpy gray mess?  

   Yes, in one of this little sidewalk carts in Ensenada -- the ones that
sell fish tacos. I think that's how the make ceviche as well. With enough
Tequila, almost anything is edible and survivable. I have often wondered
whether it would be inappropriate to yell "here Fifi" as the waiter brings 
you dinner... 
   Mike, who's getting ready for the Newport-Ensenada race and wondering
whether Walter Cronkite will be guarding the bathroom door at Hussong's 
again this year...
-- 


		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
		PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis)
Subject: Re: Bryan Blumberg and the irrelevant charter of soc.motss
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:03:45 GMT

In article <qmyViB7w164w@batpad.lgb.CA.US> mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor) writes:

>There is a fourth category Bryan omitted:
>
>People Who Don't Care If Bryan
>Violates the Charter, But Who Think
>He Is An Asshole For Doing So


There's yet another category:  People Who Are Surprised As All Hell That A
Thread Like This Could Last So Long And Can't Wait For It To
Finally Die So We Can Stop Wasting Bandwith On A Matter That Should Have
Been Dealt With In E-Mail.

Ahhh...  I feel *much* better now.  B{)

Brian
-- 

Brian A. Jarvis,          Rm. 4026, Sidney Smith Hall, Dept. of Psychology,
jarvis@psych.toronto.edu  University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
System Administrator      M5S 1A1  (416) 978-3948
From: brichard@cbmvax.commodore.com (B. Richard)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Jack Korkheimer, Star Hustler
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:02:33 GMT
Reply-To: brichard@cbmvax.commodore.com (B. Richard)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA


>Jack Korkheimer, Star Hustler
      ^

I believe you'll find that his name is "Jack Horkheimer, Star Hustler" 
and yes... he sets mine off, too!

  =B=
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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:47:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Apr9.014712.13341
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Apr9.010524.8146@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bn566@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ward Chanley) writes:
>Does Madonna Exploit Homos?

Madonna exploits everything. The fact that she is exploiting us homos
is a sign that we are winning.

BTW, for all you Madonna freaks - she's in Portland for the next 4
weeks filming a movie.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                              The piper pulled down the sky
From: manis@cs.ubc.ca (Vincent Manis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heinlein & Who Are Vincent's Three?
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:24:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Institute for Pure and Applied Eschatology

In article <1992Apr5.220055.4006@agora.uucp> rickc@agora.uucp (Rick
Coates) writes: 
>[Red Planet].  No doubt it was my own wishful
>thinking and over-active twelve year old glands, but those two
>seemed _awfully_ close. I loved that book.
Yes, so did I, at the same age. There's a scene where the two of them
(along with Willis, the Martian) curl up in a giant cabbage for what
they think is going to be a six-month night. All that male bonding
really got *my* juices going. But I think that, to Heinlein, the
characters were asexual; in any case, books of the '50's, when aimed at
adolescents, had to have no *hint* of even `normal' sexuality.

>Well, we've got Delaney (whose work I've never read, so not surprising
>I didn't know), one can only assume Marion Bradley...  so who's the
>Household Name?
Delaney and Marion Zimmer Bradley were two of the three I was thinking
of. The third once wrote the only story I've ever seen which had the
word `defenestration' in the title. 
--
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