From: fasciano@nil.IRO.UMontreal.CA (Massimo Fasciano)
Newsgroups: rec.games.board.ce
Subject: a few more questions...
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:29:12 GMT
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Organization: Universite de Montreal -- Laboratoire Incognito

Hi,

i'd like to thank everybody for the many replies i got to my
questions... but i still have a few for you...

[oh, by the way, i noticed a delay of 4-5 days (sent on the 31st and
received today, the 4th) with the reception of messages on this group
at my site. is this common? other newsgroups don't have such a long
delay here.]

a) in response to my question about the validity of something for
nothing deals, everybody (including NJS who contributes to encounter
magazine) told me they were perfectly valid. and according to the
Mayfair rulebook, they appear to be. but then i looked at Encounter
v2n2 (top right of page 5) and it says ``The word "exchange" indicates
that each player must get something for a deal to be valid.'' Now i'm
really confused!

b) in response to my question about the Wrack: the Wrack can remove
his opponent's tokens from the cone (if he wishes) or from bases (quoted
from the Mayfair card "On each torture, you may select one of his
tokens to send to the warp or ...").

It is still not clear to me what happens if Wrack removes all of his
opponent's tokens from the cone. Suppose Wrack has 4 tokens on a home
base and his opponent has 4 tokens in the cone (no allies). Wrack
removes the attacker's 4 tokens from the cone. Since the attacker did
not accept the deal and suffered the whole torture, Wrack loses the
challenge "according to normal challenge resolution". But there are no
tokens on the offensive end! What happens? Wrack loses his home base
(his 4 tokens go to the warp) and the base stays empty (the attacker
cannot gain a base since he has no tokens in the cone). Or does the
Wrack get to keep his home base because even though he lost, there
were no tokens in the cone.

Same scenario, but with a bunch of tokens from offensive allies. Wrack
removes the main attacker's 4 tokens, but the main attacker's allies
are still in the cone. The allies get the base, right?

b') I asked a related question: In general, what happens if the
offensive player has no more tokens in the cone? And got this answer
from Nick Sauer:

NJS> He plays a challenge card normally.  If it is an Attack card his
NJS> total is the value of the Attack card since he has no tokens to
NJS> add to it.  If it is a Compromise he gets no consolation if he
NJS> loses because he lost no tokens.  It's roughly the same as
NJS> attacking the defensive player on a planet in his system where he
NJS> has no tokens.  If you ever get in this situation yourself, it is
NJS> a great time to pitch a low Attack card as you have no tokens to
NJS> lose to the warp (although if you are the offensive player and it
NJS> is your first challenge you won't get a second).

What happens if he wins with no tokens in the cone and no allies? With
allies in the cone? (see question b). Does he get the base? Does the
defender lose it?

c) This new question came up last night in a long game: what happens
when Vampire captures one of Fungus' stacks? Does he turn over the
whole stack and play it as a single (normal) token? When it goes to
the warp, it doesn't break up because it is under the Vampire's
control (unless someone plays a Warp Break or Mobius Tubes). or does
it? If it breaks up, Vampire controls all the tokens separately?

c') Reverse situation: Fungus captures a bunch of Vampire's enslaved
tokens in a stack. When the stack breaks up, they return to Vampire's
control, right?

c'') The Fungus power card explains what happens when he loses his
power (stacks stay intact but count as 1 token until power is
regained). The effect of power loss on Vampire is not explained on the
card but i think it is covered in Encounter v2n2 (enslaved tokens
can't be moved and don't count for bases, right?). My question is,
what does a Cosmic Zap do to Fungus and Vampire. Cosmic Zap =
temporary power loss, or is there a subtle distinction? I know you can
prevent the capture of tokens by Vampire/Fungus with a CZ (negate use
of power), but can you make Fungus count his stacks as 1 by C-Zapping
him? Can you prevent Vampire from using his enslaved tokens by Cosmic
Zapping him?

Thanks in advance for your answers...

	Massimo-

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