HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda)
Subject: Who started all this gaijin myth?! (was Re: Genitals in Japan)
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:26:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.135823.1@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz> quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes:
>> rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner) writes:

>>>Japanese, as any Japanese-surnamed individual ought to know, are
>>>particularly thin-skinned about criticism, especially when it comes
>>>from gaijin (read: racial inferiors, i.e., the rest of the world).

>> Pretty inferior I guess we are, huh? They bomb Pearl, we're gaijin. We
>> blow a couple cities to hell and flame Tokyo and Yokohama and a half
>> dozen others and we're still gaijin.

>   I believe 'gaijin' has a meaning more similar to "foreigners" or 
>"Western barbarians" and carries the overtones of racial inferiority in that
>it reflects any racist attitudes that the speaker holds.
>   To be called a "gaijin" by a friend would not be an insult.

  Here we go again.

  I really cannot help feeling a smell of conspiracy. Someone must be
teaching innocent "gaijin-san-tachi" that "gaijin" is an offensive
word. Someone must be producing some scenario that friendly "gaijin" and
hospitable Japanese end up hating each other.

  Assuming that these "gaijin" netters represent an average population of
"gaijin," I wonder how many "gaijin" already believe that "gaijin"
is an insult.

  Assuming that these "gaijin" netters have never learned Japanese,
I wonder where they got that "gaijin" story. Is it time to take a poll?

"Where did you learn that "gaijin" is a derogatory word?"

  Thank god! Webster's dictionary still doesn't have "gaijin."
 
[An interesting conversation deleted.]

>   (Please forgive me for crossposting the last para. to soc.japan) 

  No problem. You should have come to s.c.japan a couple of days
earlier to look at the "gaijin" flame war... 8-).

--Michiaki
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.sex,soc.culture.japan
From: tt@tarzan.jyu.fi (Tapani Tarvainen)
Subject: Re: Genitals in Japan( was Madonna...)
Originator: tt@tarzan.math.jyu.fi
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla
	<jwb.720750843@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au>
	<1992Nov3.043239.21945@utagraph.uta.edu>
	<1d81hoINNiu7@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> <Bxs1Iw.n0A@world.std.com>
	<1992Nov16.114157.20096@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:24:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.114157.20096@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mpevans@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Evans) writes:

>>keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka) writes:

>>>Why can't they [the Japanese] admit a simple fact that
>>>they did a horrible thing during/before WWII

>Have the rest of the world admitted the nasty things they did in WWII?

The Germans have ...

>I mean just think if the US said "well we didn't want to allow the red army 
>time to get there, and we had a weapon which needed a field test....."

but winners seldom admit having made mistakes.
(Why weren't any of the allied troops charged at Nuremberg?)
--
Tapani Tarvainen  (tt@math.jyu.fi, tarvainen@finjyu.bitnet)
From: 5g72wheelerj@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Restrictions about pro-life meetings
Date: 19 Nov 1992 04:08:04 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 5g72wheelerj@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

In article <1992Nov17.153108.29048@maths.tcd.ie>, thomas@maths.tcd.ie (Thomas Bridge) writes:
>
>I am shocked, amazed, horrified at the hypocrisy of certain elements of the
>Pro-Choice movement in Trinity College, Dublin.
>
>For those of you not in the know, Ireland has been in the middle of an abortion
>contraversy since January for various complicated reasons which I will not go
>into here.
>
>As a consequence, we are going ot have a referendum on November 26th to decide
>wether to change.

. . . it seems to me that the situation between the pro and anti abortion 
rights camps is analogous to two trains passing in the night; sane and
effective discourse has broken down to the degree that the opposing 
parties do not appear to even be speaking the same language (in the sense
that language is a medium for the communication of ideas and concepts, and
no communication is actually taking place).  
     The issue is so emotionally charged that persons are unable to argue
from a detached (and objective-as-possible) perspective; everyone has a
passionately promoted agenda - as is reflected in your story regarding
the flyers.  IF the two camps could agree upon such premises as (1) when 
does life begin, (2) what is the source of moral legitimization [i.e. God, 
utility, natural law, etc.], (3) is logic, opposed to rhetoric, to be made
appeal to - then possible progress could be made and the ether could be
cleared of the fear, mistrust, and anger on both sides of the fence.  Until
some common element is agreed upon between the two sides, however, I fear
that the trains will continue to blindly pass each other.

Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.pagan
From: delisle@eskimo.com (Ben Delisle)
Subject: Re: Records with stickers (was Censorship & Tipper)
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:55:00 GMT

	Well, it seems that (they) always seems to stick their foot
in their mouth every time (they) want to censor a record, book or film.
It seems that they draw much more attention to the products in question
when the complain or lobby against the stuff. It is turns out to be nothing 
more than free advertising that the producers of the product could have
never otherwise hoped for. People even now will get a product just because
it has a 'parental advisory warning label.' See a product in the news that 
is 'contraversial' and buy it because of that.
	If they keep their mouth shut then there would be less problems
and it would go away more quickly. But then that would not be as much
fun now would it.


--
UUCP  (old)          : delisle@eskimo.celestial.com
Internet direct (new): delisle@eskimo.com
From: cburian@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Christopher J Burian)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Restrictions about pro-life meetings
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:08:14 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

thomas@maths.tcd.ie (Thomas Bridge) writes:


>I am shocked, amazed, horrified at the hypocrisy of certain elements of the
>Pro-Choice movement in Trinity College, Dublin.

  [...]

>One of the pro-life supporting groups in the college spent last Monday morning 
>putting up posters advertising a meeting of the group about abortion.  A group
>or individual (presumably pro-choice) spent Monday afternoon tearing them down 
>again.  It can be argued that restricting abortion information is a form of
>censorship.  But surely, under the same logic, the tearing down of pro-life
>posters is censorship, and therefore equally as much a denial of one's right
>to have complete Freedom of information.

>Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

>Thomas Bridge.

 If pro-choice supporters want to make a statement, they can put up their
 own posters.  Tearing down other people's posters is wrong, especially
 on an issue of legitimate controversy.  I'm not so sure that you're
 as "shocked, amazed and horrified" as you claim.  While unreasonable,
 the hooligans' behavior isn't particularly surprising.

 By the way; heckling, tearing down posters and similar disruptions are
 rude, but they aren't censorship.  Governments censor, individuals       
 don't.  State prohibition of abortion referrals *is* censorship.
 Does anyone suppose that government censorship is a lesser threat than
 individuals tearing down posters?

	Chris---
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,soc.libraries.talk,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,alt.sex,rec.arts.books
From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle)
Subject: Re: [UPI] Library attacked for buying Madonna's Sex book
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:36:15 GMT

sean@cobra.dra.com writes:
>The St. Louis County Public Library (independent from the city) had decided
>not to order the book either.  The county library gave several reasons for
>not ordering the book.  1. It had received poor reviews. 2. It was spiral
>bound (doesn't hold up well). 3. Didn't appear to have "lasting value." and
>4. Too expensive.
      Yeah, for $50 it ought to be better bound.  I expect a paperback
version once hardback sales run down.

					John Nagle
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: niepornt@dial.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: restriction on awful photos
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:30:14 GMT

In article <92320.164809U61508@uicvm.uic.edu> <U61508@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>These are the points I thought of that government should enforce censorship
>on awful photos such as ruin bodies after war be shown on T.V.

>1.  Audience may switch channel

So?

>2.  It affects children

How?

>3.  May scare those that wants to join the army

So?

> Can you please give me some idea or suggestion to support my points?

No.  There is nothing which supports your points.

-- 
David M. Nieporent   | Mike Mussina 1993 AL Cy Young Winner
niepornt@phoenix.    |------------------------------------ 
   princeton.edu     | "I still believe in a place called Hope."
Clinton/Gore '92.  Don't stop thinking about tomorrow.
From: beh@acs.nntp-read.bu.edu (Bruce Howells)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: And on the subject of Internet bandwidth...
Date: 23 Nov 92 00:25:21 GMT
Organization: Boston University Information Technology Boston, MA USA
In-reply-to: tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil's message of 22 Nov 92 01:10:00 GMT


I happened to be across the room when my wife asked...

"Bruce, what's .mil mean?"

After I stopped reflexively cringing, imagining those Nice Men from "We
Work For The Government" coming for a visit, I wandered over to the
terminal...  Turns out that .mil (MilNet, for the domain-impaired) was
stuck on the end of a UseNet posting...  Here, of all places.

Gee, must be awfully important...  a milnet site posting to usenet...  

Then I saw the sender.   Nope, can't be important.

Then I read it (slow night 'round the homestead), and it sounds as if our
little old friendly milnet site has been not just posting wildly to usenet,
but also logging some pretty intensive time telnetted to csd.bu.edu...
(Mentally computes how far away a site has to be to get a 700 mS ping time)
gaak...  Crossing lots of wire and gateways, Tim?

Lots of wire...  Lots of gateways... Lots of packets.

Good to know that tax money we (or at least those of us enough in the real
world to be paying taxes - and worrying how to pay taxes...) spend for
Internet research...  spend to make sure the US keeps leading the research
effort into (horrors!) useful uses for technology is going to exactly where
it was meant to...

NOT.

Hope you're enjoying yourself, Tim...  Just remember next time you hit a
keystroke...  I paid for that Telnet packet.

And it's *REALLY* comforting to know just how vigilant our Nation's armed
forces are...   Hope nothing important comes up while you are on #bondage.


Enjoy your afternoon-
Bruce Howells, beh@acs.bu.edu   bruce@vmcms.bgs.com
  Just another software professional.

Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: mappler@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Matthew A Appler)
Subject: Bot programmer wanted for EASY task...:)
Organization: /usr/users/user4/mappler/.organization
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:51:23 GMT

I"m looking for someone to program me a bot to perform an easy, and
useful task.....I want to run a game of diplomacy via the irc.  I want
a bot that can act as a pseudo moderator.  I want it to be able to
accept input from 7 people...then once it has all the required input,
print it out to the whole channel.  I've been told this is easy, and
am just looking for someone iwht some free time to do this...If anyone
is interested, in either the bot or the game itself, please let me
know...

  Matt Appler
--
Matthew Appler - University of Massachusetts, Amherst
-----
You can only be young once, but you can always be immature.
-----
From: herm@coombs.anu.edu.au (Herman H. Fredriksson)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Wrong.
Followup-To: alt.dev.null
Date: 15 Nov 1992 15:11:41 GMT
Organization: Coombs Computing Unit, Australian National University, Canberra.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.2

In article <avalon.721836992@coombs> avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) writes:
>herm@coombs.anu.edu.au (Herman H. Fredriksson) writes:
>> [..you should have a ":" prefix in text..]
>
>Hmm...what makes you say this ?  I just tested out a 2.7.2g server and
>in 'raw' mode I was able to do "privmsg avalon a b c d e f" and wonder of
>wonders "a b c d e f" was passed as the text message.
>From a client point of view, the last parameter in any command sent to
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the server should be prefixed with a ":".
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

is what makes me say this. Do a "PRIVMSG avalon :)" in raw mode to avalon
in a client and see what you get. (of course you know this.. you just
said so in the line I underlined).

>
>>The doc/Comms file(in 2.7.2g) is hopelessly outdated and misleading at times,
>>eg, still has "+ and numerical channels described".
>>but granted it does point out the true use for NOTICE's.
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Is there a point here or are you just whinging ?

I am pointing out inadequacies in this file, as constructive criticism.

>Oh, I get it, you're saying that its not worth reading to look for
>phrases such as I posted ?  Well I don't think there is anything else
>floating around that is of any use so if you don't like it stiff.

Read the line I underlined avalon, I am saying "it does point out
true use for NOTICE's" you know.. saying it is worth reading, but
is sometimes misleading. If you cant take this as constructive 
criticism then stiff.

>Avalon

herm
(say NO to unattended bots)
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|  Things that make you go herm...      <herm@coombs.anu.edu.au> AUS  |
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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: jnelson@iastate.edu (Jeremy F Nelson)
Subject: Re: [*] Irc Statistics (Idle)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:17:42 GMT

In article <BxrzvK.Lz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dms50304@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darkman) writes:

>
>You don't have to hack the client to adjust your idle time shown.  A simple
>/on ctcp can adjust what you see very easily.
>
A /on ctcp will add ANOTHER reply to the ctcp request, but the default is
not suppressable, unless you hack the client.

I tried it, thats how i know this is true for ircII

hop

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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: scott@sfi.santafe.edu (Scott D. Yelich)
Subject: Re: A new (very simple) bot solution
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 16:00:38 GMT
Organization: Santa Fe Institute
	<84195@ut-emx.uucp>

> Bad idea, at least the way things work now.
> Nick collisions are bad enough.  Then we'd have login collisions too.
> I don't like Bozo here ... I'll just fake his login, run a bot w/ it, and
> Bozo can't get onto IRC.  Or if I ran a server, I could fake his entire
> user@host ... could keep anybody off of IRC.

DUH... you have a password with a nick.  If your password gets known,
then change it.

> I see this as being far too easy to abuse.  Besides, there are accounts that
> are being used by more than one person.  This entire idea is flawed from the
> very start.  No 'technical' solution is going to solve the bot 'problem' for

*BONK*

Then it could be done by IRC NICKNAME and not just login account.

> good.  The best solution (the best 'immediate' solution) would be for
> individual server admins to start a 'No bots' or a 'No auto-opping bots' or
> a 'No more than one bot run by one person on one channel' policy, to be
> policed by the the server runners, perhaps with a kill or two to start, and
> K-lines for those that had been warned repeatedly.  Of course, then they
> would move to different servers, who may or may not follow a similar policy.

good luck.

> Eventually, if enough servers participated, all the bots would end up on
> a few servers, which could be /squitted, or at least vacated by the humans
> on IRC.  And if not enough server admins participated, well, then obviously
> the anti-bot sentiment wasn't strong enough.

A Jihad?

> Of course, this all depends on the admin of each server agreeing on a common
> goal.  From what I've seen, that's highly unlikely.  Each admin is free to 
> either provide a useful service, to be a tyrannical dictator, or anything
> in between.

Welcome to the machine.

Scott
From: jardar@swix.ifi.unit.no (Jardar Eggesboe Abrahamsen)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Bots, WarBots, Fun?
Date: 18 Nov 92 10:19:40 GMT
Distribution: alt.irc
Organization: Universitetet i Trondheim, Noreg

I ein artikkel her om dagen skriv herm@acme.etsu.edu:

>Tala Engelska fo"r helvete!
>
>herm
>(sa"g NEJ till obevakade bots)


NEI TIL SPRAAKLEG IMPERIALISME!

-- 
Jardar Eggesboe Abrahamsen         "reduplikasjonsverb (fanst i gotisk,
jardar@swix.ifi.unit.no               finst i gresk, restar i norroent)"
                                             (Jardar Eggesboe Abrahamsen
                                                 i ein eksamen, V92)
Organization: Sophomore, Music, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:26:31 -0500 
From: Michele Carla Zugschwerdt <Jasmyne+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: RE: Avalon arrested!


I loved it.
I laughed my ass off..


about time there was something halfway interesting on this bboard
JASMYNE
From: Markku.Savela@tel.vtt.fi (VTT/TEL)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Global Birthday Greetings
Date: 18 Nov 1992 18:03:08 GMT
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland
	<1992Nov18.101006.26635@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> <avalon.722087605@coombs>
Reply-To: savela@tel.vtt.fi (Markku Savela)
NNTP-Posting-Host: tel4.tel.vtt.fi
In-reply-to: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au's message of 18 Nov 92 11:53:25 GMT

In article <avalon.722087605@coombs> avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) writes:
>>Oh yeah, real huge. It happens to be less than the bandwidth taken up by
>>a single MODE command. Now, with a bot generating MODE commands willy-nilly,

>There are more clients from *.edu servers/hosts at most any time of
>day than there are servers in total.  Consider, there are at least 50
>servers which match *.edu and one of those has (at times) had one tenth
>of the total number of clients on IRC attached to it.

It is not sensible to include server-client traffic into cost. This is
mostly local or near local traffic and can be ignored.

I do agree that b'day "wall" is idiotic, it is not due to the
bandwidth, but due to useless interruption it caused to the
recipients.
--
Markku Savela (savela@tel.vtt.fi), Technical Research Centre of Finland
Telecommunications Laboratory, Otakaari 7 B, SF-02150 ESPOO, Finland
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: jardar@swix.ifi.unit.no (Jardar Eggesboe Abrahamsen)
Subject: Re: Bots, WarBots, Fun?
Organization: University of Trondheim, Norway
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 16:30:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.124657.29387@ugle.unit.no> gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) writes:
>Gee! You sound like my brother. He logged in on guest on unix1 another
>day and was wondering why the heck things weren't EXACTLY as he was used to.
>What the hell was vi, and what the hell was emacs? Why couldn't he get the
>editor he was used to?
>
>/Gard - Say no to unattended disclaimers.

Well, I really didn't use that kind of expressions.
AND. I did NOT wonder why things weren't exactly the way I am used to. I
wondered why you don't have anything better.

 :-P

Essutendall alskall udall assepall ejdall aarnall udall akkasnall om
orejball innjball aapall alt.irc.

-- 
Jardar Eggesboe Abrahamsen            "Ili rigardis min kiel sian
jardar@swix.ifi.unit.no                moralan chefon."
                                                       (L.L. Zamenhof)
From: mkwg9074@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (M. K. Weaver)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Keep the flood. (ENOUGH!)
Date: 16 Nov 92 06:33:45 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

andreww@win4.vut.EDU.AU (Andrew Watts) writes:

>>Maybe rename alt.irc to alt.sydney<CENSORSHIP AT WORK>

>Whether or not this was supposed to be a personal reply, I dont care.

>Saying stuff about Sydney makes you as guilty as anyone who abuses 
>someone in this newsgroup. This Sydney - Melbourne thing has been 
>taken for all it's worth here (where i'm sure people from other
>countries couldn't give @$%#), in Ausirc, and numerous other forums.

	As to caring...well...some know why this US citzen does.
	But I am in agrement to people bashing, city bashing,
	nationality bashing,...and other such "personal" bashings
	as being a waste of BANDWIDTH not to mention not being
	a logical way to argue.

>As for the whole Bot argument, I have my own little slogan,

>Andrew.
>(say NO to bots)  [no I didn't forget to put "unattended" in]

	I, of course am still sticking to my Reasonable and
	Creative people would have reasonable and creative
	bots...given the know-how and the choice.

	I am sure there would be exceptions <there always are>

	bfn,
	Monica

	<*waves* to DinoPup>
-- 
"When you sit with a nice girl for two hours, you think it is only a minute.
But when you sit on a hot stove for a minute, you think it's two hours.
THAT'S RELATIVITY." (Albert Einstein)
                 "My name is Monica. Got a minute?"
From: tspindle@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (tom spindler)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Server/Domain Address???
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:09:31 GMT
Organization: Northea$tern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA

In article <92321.213420U40348@uicvm.uic.edu> U40348@uicvm.uic.edu (Jay Lorenzana) writes:
>
>I am trying to run IRC on our system, but unfortunately no one know
>how to use it, even the consultants!
Well, a lot of the consultants do not have any clues, in my experience.
(George Yanos and Rich Wolf do, though, just to name two.)

>I have the files on my CMS account and when I run RXIRC ver 1.5
>I get a timeout error, server/host not responding.  I guess it
Switch to a closer server, like penfold.ece.uiuc.edu
(ip#128.174.114.68). I think the server is in globalv settings or
something like that. Not sure, it's been a while. That, and the entire
way that rxirc is programmed is screwed up, because of the nature of
CMS.

(that, and UICVM is flakier than most. :( get to learn <esc>-, IPL
CMS... you'll use it a lot to restart your crashed session.)

Have fun with UICVM... I sure didn't. (and don't bother with the ACM
accounts. Caleb Drake is an idiot. I got my account suspended for
IRCing.)
Newsgroups: alt.irc,alt.irc.ircii,news.answers