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From: caban@convex.com (Jane Caban)
Subject: chain prematurely worn out?
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:10:20 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

I've been getting different opinions on chain maintenance and wear from at
least three people who wrench, so I'm a little confused. 

My '92 Shadow 600 has about 13K miles on it now, and the chain has
stretched to the point where I can't tighten it any more. (It's an O-ring
chain.) One Honda mechanic told me that a chain should last about 50K
miles. Another told me I should have lubed it every time I filled the tank
(in my case, that would be every 2 days!) I've lubed the chain about every
600 miles. If that's too infrequent, could that be why the chain is worn?
I've been using PJ-1 to lube it.

Can I put another type of chain on this bike besides an O-ring? The Honda
mechanic says no, O-ring chains last longer. A friend of mine who wrenches
Harleys says a regular chain will last longer. I don't think I've neglected
the chain, but I hate having to tighten it every other week and it seems to
me it should last longer than it has. Is it possible I got a defective
chain? 


maintenace 
-- 
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Jane Caban       | DoD #0508                
caban@convex.com | Honda VT600C Shadow VLX                             "I WTFM"
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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Dealer won't budge on '91 ST1100
Date: 30 Dec 92 23:13:18 GMT
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <1992Dec30.195227.3643@serval.net.wsu.edu> bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
>In article <1992Dec30.132516.3503@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> wolf@merlin.mt.att.com writes:
>>P.S.  I have been considering getting a BMW R100GS P-D, but that bike seems to
>>be an apparition: everyone has heard and seen it, but no dealer seems to have one :-)

>Not true.  Aloha BMW (a couple miles west of Portland) is carrying a new
>1993 PD.  Folks you will not believe this, but BMW has come up with a new
>color scheme that is absolutely ugly IMHO.  The new paint jobs make my now

The old paint job wasn't ugly?

-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
                Celebrate the winter holiday of your choice by
                  offering your hand to someone who needs it.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: winter dead bike
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:27:19 GMT

In article <10638@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>campbejr@ucbeh.san.uc.edu wrote:
>: I have an '81 Suzuki GS550. The bike has been sitting since Oct. in a garage.
>
><long tale of woe deleted>
> 
>: could the fuel have turned to gunk after a couple of months or what?  If anyone
>: has any ideas on how to get this Suzuki back on the road let me know, and also
>: what should I do differently for storage
>:
>You probably have bad gas^H^H^H fuel.  Drain the tank and the carbs and put in
>some nice fresh gasoline.  Put in a new set of plugs while you're at it.
>Oh, maybe before you go to all that trouble you should check to make sure
>you have some spark, I suppose the ignition system could have suffered from
>moisture or something, but I'm betting on the fuel being bad.
>Good luck.
>
>PS: to prevent this in the future try to buy a name brand gasoline   


A 550 4 cylinder has some pretty small carbs and correspondingly tiny ports
in the idle circuit. There's a good chance they're gunked up from the gas
evaporating in the float bowls. 

Jeff Achenbach
From: cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com (R. Craig Dodson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: The vertical 1/4 mile
Date: 21 Dec 1992 20:34:35 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Reply-To: cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: beast.cac.stratus.com

In article <10584@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)  
writes:
> Matthew J. Harper (matth@progress.COM) wrote:
> :   Interesting followup to this;   A Corvette ZR-1 has a shorter time from 
> : 0-150 mph than an F-15 (that's the jet fighter, son.)  After that it`s  
pretty
> : much in favor of the jet. :-)

Interesting . . .

R&T raced (for fun) a P-51 Mustang against a ZR-1 a few years back.

In their words :

"We figured the smart money was on the Vette up until 100mph or so
where the plane should take over. The smart money was wrong ...the Mustang
passed the Vette before it was even out of first gear as if it was
tied to a post."

So you're saying an F15 is slower to 150 than a ZR-1, even though a 40 year
old piston aircraft can make it look silly just doing 0-40 ? 

CD
From: ravi@cs.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: a kinder, gentler rec.moto!
Date: 21 Dec 1992 06:43:28 GMT
Organization: Woopie Tech
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ravi@cs.wpi.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivy.wpi.edu


    its me again wasting more bandwidth. some time ago i had posted a
    note saying that i was graduating and looking for jobs, and was
    anyone looking for good janitors... well i am still looking and will
    no doubt bother you all with more requests (whats a good bike to buy
    for someone who has finally started earning in four digits per month
    ;-) type of questions). in the meantime, my eternal gratitude (and i
    really mean that) is due to these people, for their response to my
    post, and whatever advice they had to offer me. this post has been
    long overdue, and reflects in some ways my coming to understand the
    ways of rec.moto. finally when all the .edu-newbie-poser-harley-jap-
    bike-squid-helmet-volvo-your mom's bike-etc stuff is taken in context,
    i guess i must admit that the rec.moto.crowd happens to be the best gang
    for a semi-geek 500cc-biker like me! ;-). so without more ado, thanks
    to:

    Scott Lilliot (when can i come meet the dogs again?? ;-)), Ed Green,
    Jonathan Quist, Peter Espiritu, Loki Jorgensen, Leigh Ann Hussey,
    John Stafford, Charlie Smith, Janet Gunn (mail to you still bounces
    :-( ), C.P. Tomes.

    i am sure i have left out a few million people... i know for sure that
    more people responded than mentioned above. to all those people too,
    a great fat big thanks!

    peace,

    - ravi


-- 
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.sig (n): a piece of mail with a fool at one  | Ravi Narayan, CS, WPI
          end and flames at the other. (C).   | 89 SuzukiGS500E - Phaedra ;)
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From: tanner@cerritos.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Squash or slide?
Date: 27 Dec 92 00:05:27 PST
Organization: Cerritos College, Norwalk CA

In article <BzD7sA.EyC@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
>   Last weekend we went riding in the snow. I washed out the front end
> and planted myself solidly in a small drift. My hand somehow got jammed
> in the throttle or something, anyway, the IT was pegged wide open in
> 4th. I was just about to try to push the bike off me to free myself when
> I remembered all the ice studs now whipping past my right leg which was
> trapped somewhere back there and had the presence of mind to stay still
> and press the kill switch with my left hand.  Had I tried to move
> there's a good chance I would have had a Down (feathers) explosion
> followed by some blood. Love the kill switch.

How many motorcycles have a sensor that detects horizontality and shuts
off the fuel and ignition?  I mean deliberately, not the sensor called
'carburetor'.

The one on my bike is set to activate at 49 degrees.  I assume at that point
the designers said "you lost it, buddy".  Be sure to turn the ignition switch
off to reset the circuit before trying to restart the engine.

-Bruce
-- 
Bruce Tanner        (310) 860-2451 x 596    Tanner@Cerritos.EDU
Cerritos College    Norwalk, CA             DoD #0161  NOMAD #007
From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:01:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Getting to know the CR250
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt

In rec.motorcycles.dirt, masys@nlm.nih.gov (Dr. Daniel R. Masys) writes:

> drained the gear oil again.  What went in as clear amber 10W40 came
> out as black stuff with silver sheen again.  My son says this is normal
> wear from the clutch plates.  Is this so?  Does this bike make metal
> dust every time you ride it?

Yes.  The CR's use aluminum clutch plates that shed metal.  You might want
to put in steel XR clutch plates.  This has the added benefit of increasing
the rotational inertia of the engine, much the same as adding flywheel
weights. 

-Jeff Deeney-  KotD #0000  DoD#0498    NCTR    '88 XR600-Shamu   
jld@hpfcpe.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha 
We don't stop riding because we get old, we get old because we stop riding.
From: f005@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Yamaha DT 175
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:01:56 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I just bought a 1975 Yamaha DT 175.  It is in pretty good, almost mint
condition.  I paid $350 for it and I was wondering if anyone thought that it
was a fair price.  Also, any information on the bike or any tips as to
maintainance or riding would be greatlly appreciated.
                                                    Scott Ohmacht
                                                    F005@lehigh.edu
From: frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Tunes to Roost by....
Date: 23 Dec 92 09:46:54 CDT
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility


  Really I just wanted to get an add in for my scoot, but I hated
  to post and not have something fun to read.

  Tunes to roost by:
     What do you listen to for psyche on the way to the track?
     
     If I've got a bike in the back, you can bet I've got Def
     Lepard blasting in the cab. (any tape, any song)

     I'd bet riding with Mike you'd hear Jackal, "Lumberjack"
     on the way. Over and over and over and over and over. Though
     I've got no problem with that, except that he might only play
     his favorite part of the song. :-)

     Riding with Andy, you might hear Beethoven's "5th".  I don't
     why.?.?  Guess its his European riding style with his seat that
     comes up to my nose. :-)  (Yourapeein scoots used to be known
     for their height.)

     Riding with George C. you might experience him throwing the
     tape deck out the window so you'll be forced to listen to him
     sing "an" Aussie folk song for 93 million miles across the Big 
     Country in 2nd gear.  :-)
     
     Riding with Ken, Patrick and Jeff you might expect an arguementive
     discussion above the tunes over whether we should have stopped 300
     miles back when the driver at that time accidently turned a Box
     Turtle into road pizza.  All the time you are praying that they
     decide not to turn around.  :-)

     All in fun. :-)  Merry X-Mas, No-L, L-No and all that jazz.
_________________________________________________________________________
mark frampton....O/30 NOVICE   |    I just broke a screw off into infinity.
X-Country?!? What next?!?      |      Anyone got a real long/short easyout?  
frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com    |    If you'll try it, I'll try next. NOT!
-------------------------------*-----------------------------------------
 For sale:  Bomber class special. 1986 RM125g with LCS cylinder mod.
            Recent P&R. New bottomend from MAC Racing. Eyecatching condition.
            Bought new in March 1989.  Gently raced :-).  Scott plastic
            boots and JT front and back. $950 cash neg. Sorry, can't ship.
            Reason for sale:  I need a 250 or open, BAD!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: aweaver@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Andy Weaver)
Subject: technique
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 02:19:37 GMT

Now that I've done about everything that I can think of to make my
bike more ridable, the next area to improve my times has to be my 
riding technique.

Using the clutch better will be the place I'll start.  Mike pointed out
that I wasn't using the clutch correctly through tight corners.  When
it was time to get into the power in a corner, I was letting the clutch
out too quickly and tried to regulate the power in the corner with the 
throttle.  By using a much slower release on the clutch and keeping the
throttle in the same position,  I was able to power out of the corners
smoother and faster.  

One thing that makes this difficult for me, is the stiff clutch on my 
bike.  I have to use two fingers to pull it in.  Either I'll have to 
strengthen my fingers or get an easier clutch.  I'd like to be able 
to just use one finger on it.  Has anyone tried one of those EZ clutch
gadgets that puts a gear reduction in the clutch cable or any other
ways to get an easier clutch?  I've already put on a new Motion Pro
cable, slid the lever in on the bars, and the clutch basket looked smooth.
Do other brand pearches and levers give more leverage?

Clutching in whoops to dance the front wheel across the tops is also another
good use for the clutch that I haven't mastered yet.  I'll try to work on
that next time.

I'm ready to ride.

Andy


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: baxter@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Baxter)
Subject: JT..top of my list!
Summary: sponsor
Keywords: Merry X-mas
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 02:47:20 GMT

As most of you know, I'm begging for sponsors.  I received my first reply today
from JT USA.  They are going to help me out.  This may well be one of my better
X-mas'. One down, many more to go.  
					
                                        Merry X-mas everyone!!!

_____________________________________________________________________________
DoD #359                    '91  CR250 |         Mike Baxter   
AMA #607249                      #P61  |              
TCCRA  #P61  "Team D."                 |      baxter@spdc.ti.com
Pro Class	                       |
Texas Cross-Country racing series      |   Texas Instruments, Dallas Tx.   
50 miles of off-road Hell (FUN)        |  
_______________________________________|_____________________________________
Disclaimer:  The opinions expressed above are my very own, becuase 
             if they were worth anything TI would patent them.
From: frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: another moto-tale (long)
Date: 30 Dec 92 13:37:10 CDT
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility

> It was slow going at first but then I started to gradually pick up speed.
> Then I got into third gear, and got more speed, then forth.  By the time
> I was getting close to the group, I was in fifth gear.  When I got to them,
> I snatched the front wheel into the air and ripped a wheelie across the 
> water.  They scattered and I was quite pleased with the amazed looks on
> their faces as I flew by after going through such a bog.  They couldn't
> really tell how fast I was going since I was going right at them.  "Four 
> stroke this" I thought.

  Personally....... I think you should have knocked it down into the next
  lower gear and looped it out right in front of them.  Surely they would
  have passed out from the shock of too much visual information.  Four
  stroke riders can only handle so much you know..... :-)  

  Come'on guys I'm just kidding! :-)
_________________________________________________________________________
mark frampton....O/30 NOVICE   |    I just broke a screw off into infinity.
X-Country?!? What next?!?      |      Anyone got a real long/short easyout?  
frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com    |    If you'll try it, I'll try next. NOT!
-------------------------------*-----------------------------------------
 For sale:  Bomber class special. 1986 RM125g with LCS cylinder mod.
            Recent P&R. Bottom end from MAC Racing. Eyecatching condition.
            Bought new in March 1989.  Gently raced :-).  Scott plastic
            boots and JT front and back. $950 cash neg. Sorry, can't ship.
            Reason for sale:  I need a 250 or open, BAD!
            


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: aweaver@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Andy Weaver)
Subject: Moose clutch plates
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 00:29:08 GMT

Another fine addition in smoothing out the power of my 89 KX250 was
the installation of a set of Moose Racing stainless steel clutch plates.
The stainless plates weighed 14 ounces (I think that's the number), but
I haven't weighed the stock aluminum plates yet.  I'd guess them to be
about 5-6 ounces.  That is a considerable difference in the inertia being
out at a radius the size of the clutch.

This helped to smooth out the jumpiness of the engine.  Mike and I went to
Dowdy yesterday for some testing/playing.  The power is much more linear
now.  Hard packed fast corners had been a real problem before because of
the jumpiness of the power in the midrange.  Yesterday, it felt good going
around hard packed corners (standing).  I was able to hang the rear wheel
out to the side smoothly with a lot more control.  The new pipe may be a
factor here also.

Installation was about 15 minutes with no problems.

Price:  $42 delivered, from my new parts source.

Andy
From: rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: klx
Date: 31 Dec 92 14:55:05 GMT
Reply-To: rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <1992Dec30.185017.10149@ge-dab.GE.COM> jerry@stratford.dab.ge.com (Jerry Szulinski) writes:
>
>I just got back from the Honda/Kawasaki dealership and started thinking 
>(that always gets me in trouble). That new KLX seems to be pretty impressive
>so far (and on paper anyway) when compared to XR. Kawasaki claims a mere
>(I don't know how much Kaw is
>going to ask for all their troubles either).


   I think it's over $4000.00. I was glancing through Dirt Rider the
    other day and they did a preview of it and I believe that is
    what they said the price was going to be.

jd

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: aweaver@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Andy Weaver)
Subject: stiffer fork springs
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 01:54:11 GMT

After much discussion on stiffer fork springs, I finally got mine put
in.  I ordered the stiffer set of Kawasaki fork springs.  The dealer
said that Kawasaki only makes three spring weights, one softer than
stock and one stiffer.

I had bought some new Bel Ray fork oil, but for comparison purposes, I left
the old spectro oil in.  

Mike and I took the bike behind my house and played in the field for a
few minutes.  I hit a few good bumps and they felt fine, then I tried 
to collapse them with the front brake.  The new springs didn't dive as
far as the old ones, which left a longer moment arm between the CG and
the front wheel on the ground.  The rear wheel came up a lot sooner with
the new springs under hard braking.  

Then we went out to Dowdy so I could slam some whoops.  I didn't bottom 
them, yet they didn't seem too harsh.  It slammed through the chop with
improved tracking.  

The cornering seemed better also.  With the old springs, it dove so far
that it became very quick turning.  Now it feels good in the corners
without trying to cock the front wheel to the stop.  We even had the 
forks up a few millimeters in the triple clamp.  

I'll back the compression damping out a couple clicks next time and it
should be just about right. 

Andy
From: aweaver@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Andy Weaver)
Subject: FMF pipe and silencer
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 23:45:21 GMT

In an effort to improve the power characteristics of my 89 KX250, I
put a new FMF gold series pipe and a FMF silencer on it.

Not only does it look great (nickel plated?), but it gave the bike a
nice boost of low end power.  I can't tell much difference in the top
end power, but I think it has all it had or more.  There may have been
some loss in the midrange but it had gobs of power there anyway, so a
little loss there doesn't really matter to me.

The new silencer produces a very pleasing exhaust note.  The bike really
sounds healthy.  I was showing a guy the trails at Dowdy and he had 
followed me for a while.  When we stopped to talk, he thought that I was
riding a 500 and was suprised to find out it was a 250.  My riding style
may have had something to do with that though.

The pipe and silencer both bolted up very easily without any modifications.

And for the price watchers:  I got the pipe and silencer delivered for
~$200.  

Andy
From: frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: CR500 and recreational riding -
Date: 21 Dec 92 08:22:57 CDT
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility

In article <1992Dec18.225827.28037@spdc.ti.com>, baxter@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Baxter) writes:
> In article <BzH4t8.FIM@news.dtc.hp.com> jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec17.050301.24314@selway.umt.edu> mtrhead@selway.umt.edu (Josh Harmon) writes:
>>
>>  Just as an aside, a stock geared CR500 will go about 70 topped out.
>>Last sunday I followed a friend of mine down a paved road (coming back from
>>the bar at Clear Creek) on his '92 and he could only muster 70.
> 
> My stock '91 CR250 WFO in 5th run at ~70mph.  He must have only been in 4th.
> Are you sure he was topped out.   

  Yeah, but Mike!  If you were on a 500 you probably be cranking 130mph
  (in 4th).  Small creatures can travel undetected on the backs of
  camels, Grasshopper.............  Bwaaaaaaahaaaaahaaaa!  :-)

_________________________________________________________________________
mark frampton....O/30 NOVICE   |    I just broke a screw off into infinity.
X-Country?!? What next?!?      |      Anyone got a real long/short easyout?  
frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com    |    If you'll try it, I'll try next. NOT!
                               |  
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: masys@nlm.nih.gov (Dr. Daniel R. Masys)
Subject: Re: EZ clutch
Organization: National Library of Medicine
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 18:39:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.133923.14413@spdc.ti.com> baxter@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Baxter) writes:
...some good stuff to do to make a CR250 clutch more easily, and...

>#6. buy a Suzuki RM125.  It has a super easy clutch.

Gad Zooks!  Suddenly it's all too clear! :-)  Finally, a reason to get a
bike with a color scheme from a Tijuana K-mart.  Only I'd have to order
the optional radar to find the CR250 out ahead of me, once it disappears
over the horizon...

Dan Masys
masys@nlm.nih.gov