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Subject: UofNB NNTP summary
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Subject: Manitoba News System Report
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:19:34 GMT


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Subject: UofS NNTP summary Mon Aug 17 15:04:44 CST 1992
Organization: University of Saskatchewan Gateway
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:04:48 GMT


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Newsgroups: can.canet.stats
From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Re: "F/E" versus "Bienvenue/Welcome": Update
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:33:08 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 1022

From article <1992Aug19.181916.26651@pandora.matrox.com>, by thood@corvus.matrox.com (Thomas Hood):
> 
> Steve, if "Bienvenue/Welcome" has been ruled to be legal because
> it is a non-commercial message, then all sorts of other signs must
> be legal as well.
> 
> For example,
> 
>       "Welcome"            (Without the French)
>       "Flower Shop"        (with "is what I should be allowed to call
>                             this establishment" in small print, beside it)
>       "Pharmacy next door" (Each business posts a sign for its two neighbours)
> 
> ... and so on.  A major loophole.  Use your imagination.
> 


  Absolutely correct.

  There is a committee working on this.

  Anyone want information?
-- 
  ///==================================================================\\\
  ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
  ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: stevew@teleride.on.ca (Stephen M. Webb)
Subject: Re: We are all foreigners, save the NATIVE Aboriginal Canadians!!
Organization: Teleride Sage Ltd.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:11:55 GMT

In article <wL7qPB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>
>Let's admit it,  we are ALL foreigners here, except the Aboriginals.
>

This is a very Eurocentric argument.  It ranks up there with "Christopher
Columbus discovered America."  It is the same as saying "there was no
history until the Europeans arrived."  As other poseteurs pointed out,
it can easily be discounted through a reductio ad absurdum argument.

Dave, you've blown your credibility here.


-- 
------- Stephen M. Webb -------

Ack!  I've accidentally broken my leg!  -- Ed the Happy Clown

Newsgroups: can.politics
From: clamen@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Subject: Re: Official languages (was Re: Radio stations...)
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<1371@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca> <14AUG92.10646917.0069@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
	<1394@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca>
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 11:14:09 GMT
X-Posted-From: byron.sp.cs.cmu.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1394@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca> hlynka@server.uwindsor.ca (Myron Hlynka) writes:


   In article <14AUG92.10646917.0069@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94000) writes:




			[EEE Senate thread deleted]


   >
   >What solution are you proposing?  That there should be one official
   >language?  Why would this be any less "discriminatory" against
   >all the non-official languages?  Or do you want the federal
   >government to use every language spoken in Canada?  That'd be
   >less discriminatory, but hardly practical.

   First, I would abolish the term "official languages". The abuses
   that have occured from the term should be justification enough for
   that. The federal parliament should function in English and French
   with translators available. (This already exists.) Provinces should
   be given their own choice of language usage in provincial matters.
   For those provinces that prefer English, the Federal government
   should offer federal services in those problems in English only.
   For those provinces that prefer French, the federal government
   should offer services in French only. For those that prefer both,
   the federal government should offer services in both.

I believe such a scheme is what is employed in Switzerland.  Of
course, I have yet to be convinced that provinces such as British
Columbia, with its small number of francophone residents, is just
brimming with francophone or bilingual federal civil servants,
twiddling their thumbs waiting for someone to ask them for help in
French.

--
Stewart M. Clamen			Internet:    clamen@cs.cmu.edu
School of Computer Science		UUCP: 	     uunet!"clamen@cs.cmu.edu"
Carnegie Mellon University		Phone: 	     +1 412 268 2145
5000 Forbes Avenue			Fax:	     +1 412 268 5739
Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890, USA
Xref: sparky can.politics:6093 soc.culture.canada:5963
Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Getty has made Central Canada stronger
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 06:15:53 GMT
 <1992Aug21.010156.15682@mprgate.mpr.ca> <1992Aug21.014314.16055@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>
Distribution: can
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, CANADA

In article <1992Aug21.014314.16055@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:

>This is today...this is an agreement essentially for perpetuity...you
>don't judge the principles agreed to on the basis of how it affects
>things tomorrow, but on how they are likely to affect things in fifty
>years...this agreement abandons representation by population, the core
>principle of representative government.

It will be interesting to see if the voters who must approve this agreement
will be swayed by the short-term solution, rather than the long-term
consequences...

>and one person-one vote.  Equality of states in the American Senate
>works because of the more even distribution of populous large states.
>Equality in the American Senate works because the ethic is that of
>the melting pot...it is the American people.  In Canada, it is the

There is another _vast_ difference which you have overlooked - the Senate
(US) and Congress (US) have different areas of direct responsibility. One (I
forget which is which) mandates foreign policy, while the other mandates
economic policy. Bills originated in the Senate must be approved by the
House, but the process is quite different than what has been proposed for
Canada.

Each house passes (or rejects) its own version of the bill before it. These
flavours often disagree. When this happens, joint Senate-House committees
meet in an attempt to resolve the differences, and the Joint Committee bill
is then presented to each house again for a vote.

Contrast that with the proposed system here, which does not separate areas
of responsibility...

>Representation by population is much more important than equality
>of the provinces...the premiers of Alberta and BC have left
>Alberta and BC permanently underrepresented with respect to Central
>Canada for perpetuity...and that will destabilize Canada in the
>next century.

I suspect you are correct, but I have mixed feelings with regard to the
proposal - on the one hand, I belive we are closer to resolution than ever
before, and Quebec may now have a package it can accept. On the other hand,
the long-term result may well be chaos as western populations grow only to
see Central Canada maintain the same reins of power that have created such a
problem all these years vis a vis the west.

-- 
     -------------------> The Old Frog's Almanac <-----------------
I don't know why these net.nazis are always worried about "Thought Police"
How  can you be arrested by thought police if  you don't have  any brains?
(FidoNet: Joshua Lee on 1:109/542)
Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: histlib@erich.triumf.ca (MARY OLIN)
Subject: Re: We are all foreigners, save the NATIVE Aboriginal Canadians!!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 14:17:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.204555.5997@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, robinc@bnr.ca (Robin Collins) writes...
>In article <wL7qPB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>>Let's admit it,  we are ALL foreigners here, except the Aboriginals.
> 
>Let's not.
> 
>I would hesitate to confuse the Original peoples who are all dead, with
>their descendants (the Aboriginals) who are no more Native than any other
>person born here, and hopefully no more equal that any citizen native-born
>or immigrant.
> 
>Frank.
>
A number of individuals from Native communities in BC have pointed out
the following to me. Note that this argument does not center on race,
but rather on the right of people to self-determination.

When the first Europeans arrived there were in place in BC (I'm
centering here on my own province because I haven't talked with Native
Peoples from other places) a number of nations with long established
systems of government and clearly understood territorial boundaries. The
situation has been compared to present day Europe. The newcomers were
few in number at first, and for the most part welcome. 

The non-Native poplulation grew rapidly and failed to realise that their
parallel governmental system had not and should not replace those of
the earlier occupiers of this land. Many of these governments have
functioned continuously despite the occupation with no concessions as to
power or territory to the newcomers. 

This is the sense in which non-Natives are foreigners. I think we are
oppressive and racist when we simply occupy lands and usurp existing
governments. We need to negotiate with the recognition that those
governments have the same legitimacy as our own.

Mary Olin

Xref: sparky can.politics:5859 soc.culture.canada:5652
From: clamen@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Why a head of state?
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:27:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Aug12.162706.16861
	<jstewart.713465217@cunews> <92223.150051GOGOLEKP@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
	<Bstx4r.1E4@Nyongwa.CAM.ORG> <92225.005600GOGOLEKP@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <92225.005600GOGOLEKP@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> GOGOLEKP@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Peter Gogolek) writes:

   In article <Bstx4r.1E4@Nyongwa.CAM.ORG>, steve@Nyongwa.CAM.ORG (Steve M.
   Robbins) says:
   >
   >In article <92223.150051GOGOLEKP@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> GOGOLEKP@QUCDN.QueensU.CA
   >(Peter Gogolek) writes:
   >
   >[..all kinds of things about modern monarchs and forms of government..]
   >
   >>Canada needs a head of state, if not a monarch then a president.
   >
   >Why?
   >
   >I've never quite figured out what a head of state is for.  Our current head
   >has zero real power, so who would miss it?  It seems to me that there are
   >pzillions of better things to do with tax money than spend it on archaic
   >symbols, like a head of state.
   >
     Others have made better replies, but I suppose I should answer for
   myself.

     I suppose it is conceivable that a government can be constructed
   without a Head of State.  I can't think of any examples and would
   appreciate finding out if some exist.  The important role for the
   Head of State is to be above the daily political fray, to pull
   governments together in periods of difficulty, and perhaps to
   provide guidance.  That Canada in particular needs such a person
   should be clear from the constitutional botch-up we are forced to
   endure today (and some might say endured in 1981).

Every country needs a diplomatic Head of State, pretty much by
definition.  If one didn't exist in law, it would still exist in
practice, the Head of Government assuming most of the responsibilities
and diplomatic role.

--
Stewart M. Clamen			Internet:    clamen@cs.cmu.edu
School of Computer Science		UUCP: 	     uunet!"clamen@cs.cmu.edu"
Carnegie Mellon University		Phone: 	     +1 412 268 2145
5000 Forbes Avenue			Fax:	     +1 412 268 5739
Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890, USA
From: louis@cs.athabascau.ca (Louis Schmittroth)
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Re: Labatts/Molsons
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:39:57 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: Athabasca University

In article <tech.714094564@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca>, tech@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Richard Loken) writes:
> If beer sales went to the moderate drinker who expected flavour there would
> a lot fewer brewers and their facilities would be a lot smaller.  And there
> might be no US brewers left at all (cheap bit of personal opinion there).

	There are some fine small breweries in the US as there are in
	Canada.  Molson, Budwieiser, Labatts, Coors, are not among them.
	Big Rock (Calgary), Cremore Springs (Ontario) are among them.

	The prize for the finest lager brewed in N.A. went to a small
	Chicago brewery.  The Braumeister is now at Cremore Springs.
-- 
Louis Schmittroth louis@cs.athabascau.ca
========================================
Not everything that counts can be counted.  Not everything that can be
counted counts.   - Charles Garfield
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Wednesday, 19 Aug 1992 14:21:05 EDT
From: Peter Gogolek <GOGOLEKP@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Re: god save your queen
Distribution: can
 <92226.185304GOGOLEKP@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <12608@grayt>
 <92231.164101GOGOLEKP@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
 <1992Aug19.160713.26192@pandora.matrox.com>

In article <1992Aug19.160713.26192@pandora.matrox.com>, thood@corvus.matrox.com
(Thomas Hood) says:
>
>Peter Gogolek <GOGOLEKP@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>
>>Can you imagine a case where the Canadian monarch acts contrary to
>>the wishes of the government of the day or equivalently refuses to
>>carry out the wishes of the government of the day?
>
>Yes.
>
>>If not then the monarch is a de facto puppet and superfluous.
>>Peter Gogolek
>
>--
>Thomas Hood
>thood@matrox.com

Care to provide details?

Peter Gogolek
Kingston, Ontario, Canada
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: clamen@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Subject: Last week in Canadian History/La semaine derniere en histoire canadien
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 02:55:43 GMT
X-Posted-From: byron.sp.cs.cmu.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


While skimming some Clarinet newsgroups over the weekend, I came
across the following two anniversaries from Canadian history.  It gave
me two thoughts, which I share (one in English and one in French) with
you below.  

En feuilletant(?) le reseau Clarinet ce weekend, j'ai trouve' deux
anniversaires historiques canadiens que m'interessait.  Ils me
donnaient deux pense'es, lesquelles je vous partagerai ici.


------

Aug 13  In 1848, the 1940 Act of Union was amended to repeal a clause
	that stated English was to be Canada's only official language.

Aug 15	In 1857, imprisonment for debt was abolished in Canada.

----

Aug 13  En 1848, l'Acte d'union [1840] a` e'te' amende' a` annuler la
	clause faisant l'anglais comme la seule langue officielle du
	Canada. 

Aug 15	En 1857, l'emprisonnement pour la dette a e'te' aboli en
	Canada. 

------


		      MES PENSEES / MY THOUGHTS

1.  Both legal acts were progressive and liberal.  But, a bilingual
    Parliament was apparently easier to enact and thus, in a sense,
    viewed as a more important right.

2.  La pense'e politique soutenant le Canada unilingue en 1840 ont
    aussi soutenu la prison de debiteurs.










--
Stewart M. Clamen			Internet:    clamen@cs.cmu.edu
School of Computer Science		UUCP: 	     uunet!"clamen@cs.cmu.edu"
Carnegie Mellon University		Phone: 	     +1 412 268 2145
5000 Forbes Avenue			Fax:	     +1 412 268 5739
Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890, USA
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: hlynka@server.uwindsor.ca (Myron Hlynka)
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Re: Radio stations in Quebec, Western Canada
Date: 12 Aug 1992 18:24:47 GMT
Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada

In article <BsstLv.9G6@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:





> 800 CJAC  A  Clear channel

It must have some trouble getting through the powerful CKLW station 
in Detroit/Windsor at frequency 800. 





>I think the coverage of FM stations and the availability of Anglos AM
>signals almost every where should be taken into account.  In western
>provinces, SRC has a few clear channels, but is it enough for a complete
>coverage?


RC certainly covers the big cities, which hold the vast majority of 
the population. 

But having Federally funded French language stations in cities like 
Winnipeg or Edmonton is one of my major complaints about Canada.
The Ukrainian Canadian and German Canadian populations in Winnipeg
or Edmonton (more generally in Manitoba or Alberta) are far larger
than the French population. But tax dollars from ALL Canadians are
used to fund French language stations. Where is the Federal funding
for Ukrainian language stations? Or German language stations? 

The multilingual stations have small amounts of programming in these
languages but the cost must be born by advertisers usually from 
within these communities. 

This inequitable use of funds from ALL Canadian taxpayers to fund
only two langauge groups is GROSS DISCRIMINATION. 

Ah yes. I forgot. Pierre Trudeau and Brian Mulroney and their
Bilingualism laws state that FRENCH and ENGLISH are the MASTER
languages and all others are INFERIOR. 

Now it makes sense that the French population, though considerably 
smaller than the Ukrainian Canadian population, should get a 
CBC (Radio Canada) Radio Station and TV station. 

                                    Myron Hlynka
From: mackenzi@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Paul Mackenzie)
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: PQ Reactions
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:08:19 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for  Intelligent Machines
Originator: mackenzi@davinci.mcrcim.mcgill.edu


A slightly exaggerated version:

The Deal:

Quebec gets 98% of the seats in the House of Commons, all the seats in the
senate, vetos over all Canadian institutions, resources everywhere and the 
power to override the Charter of Rights by a vote of 10%.

PQ Reaction:

It's humiliating!  It's terrible for Quebec!  That 2% was the 2% that we
wanted most!  The people of Quebec will never accept it.


Just an impression, but the essence doesn't seem too far off the mark  ;^)


Paul
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch)
Subject: Re: Neo-nazi/fascist groups/publications in Canada?
Organization: Somewhere just far enough out of Toronto
Distribution: can
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:20:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug07.230253.10694@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>
	kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:

>I've been asked if I know of any neo-nazi or fascist organizations or
>publications in Canada (by someone preparing a documentary film in the
>States) but wasn't able to add anything but the "Canadian Liberty Network."

>I'd appreciate hearing about any others, so I can add them to the list.

The Simon Wiesenthal Centre in Toronto is a good source of this kind of
information. They keep tabs on Nazi war criminals who have been
sheltered in Canada, as well as current white-power organizations.
Just this week, they used the Freedom of Information Act to release
information on government monitoring of suspected war criminals. The
released information says that more than 1,000 people have been
investigated, and that about 300 are being "watched closely", but that no
prosecutions are likely.

Part of the problem with Nazi war crimes trials in the 90s is that most
of the witnesses are either dead or on the other side of the Atlantic.
The Centre suggests that war criminals who are found to have entered
Canada under false pretences should be deported, rather than tried. This
tactic has been used quite successfully in the US, while Canada has never
succeeded at a single Nazi war crimes conviction.

-- 
 Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario
         evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!utzoo!telly!evan / (416) 452-0504
    Was "Trouble" (from the Broadway Show, Music Man) the first rap song?
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