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From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Re: ARF on Clinton/Gore
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:36:04 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <BuD7r2.Kn4@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack
Schmidling) writes: 
[...]
> 
> When George Bush faced off with AIPAC (and won) over $10 
> billion in aid to Israel, 

Jack - are you under the misapprehension that the $10 billion was to
be given to Israel?  As I understand it, the 'aid' was actually a loan
guarantee - sort of like co-signing a loan.  The only way any money
would go from the US to Israel is if they defaulted on the loan -
something I rather doubt would happen.

[...]
> Sarah Ehrman, national Jewish coordinator of the Clinton 
> campaign, 

Does the Clinton campaign really have a coordinator of Jewish affairs?
Or is Ms Ehrman Jewish?  The meaning here is unclear.

	RA

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From: a036450@rd821.UUCP (Bob Goldrich)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Norton Desktop / DOS for Sale/Swap
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:24:20 GMT
Organization: The Gleason Works, Rochester New York
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Item:  Brand new, shrink-wrapped copy of Norton Desktop for DOS.  If 
you are unfamiliar with this package it contains a desktop manager,
file viewers, Norton Disk Doctor, Norton Antivirus, Norton Backup,
and many many other utilities.  It retails for $179 and sells for 
about $95 retail.

I'd like to get $80 for it, or offer me an interesting swap.  

                    -Bob Goldrich  a036450@rd821.gleason.com
From: pcollac@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Paul Collacchi)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Boom Boom Boom Boom :)
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:10:45 GMT
Reply-To: pcollac@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Paul Collacchi)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technologies, Mt. View, California.

In article <37013@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>, jfh@reef.cis.ufl.edu (James F.
Hranicky) writes:
|> The interesting thing about inflation is that if it were merely stopped,
|> the economy would get going again on its own. The recession is actually 
|> the GOOD part of the business cycle because during the recession the 
|> market realigns itself, correcting the malinvestments caused by inflation.
|> Our government officals cannot seem to resist temptation, however.
|>  
|> Cool, huh?
|> 

Totally Bitchin', Jim, thanks for your clear post which recognizes the
whole cycle and sees that the down goes along with the up.  I don't know
enough to accept or evaluate the theory, but I agree that the recession
"corrects" the previous economic direction, like a sailboat tacking 
back and forth across the charted direction.  For that reason it contains
many, many healthy and vital economic behaviors.

Paul Collacchi
From: CLFPAO@nctamslant.navy.mil (CINCLANTFLT PAO)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Navy News Service Headlines - 9 Sep 92
Date: 11 Sep 1992 17:06:49 -0500
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   Top News and Policy Stories
NNS40. USS Enterprise Shines as Point of Light
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From: dick1@hera.uucp (25443-vaughn)
Subject: 1992 Voter's Lament  (Or, Why I'm "Voting for Bush")
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 15:38:48 GMT
Keywords: in poem form, no less...


  1992 Voter's Lament
  -------------------

Although Bush and Quayle
Will Most Certainly Fail,
Clinton and Gore
Scare Me More.

So I'll Hold My Nose
And Look Away,
As I "Vote for Bush"
On Election Day.



Dick V.
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,soc.culture.arabic,talk.environment
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,sci.econ
Subject: Re: Boom Boom Boom Boom :)
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:51:58 EST
Followup-To: misc.headlines
 <1992Aug27.105013.3773@desire.wright.edu> <thompson.715041679@kiyotaki.econ.umn.edu> <37013@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <37013@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>, jfh@reef.cis.ufl.edu (James F. Hranicky) writes:
>>_Why_ business cycles happen is perhaps the biggest open question in
>>economics today, and has been since at least the turn of the century.
>>No professional economist of whom I am aware considers the question of
>>causality for business cycles to be a closed topic.  This is an area
>>of great controversy and very active research within the profession,
>>so it should come as no surprise that there is so much controversy and
>>confusion about it among the general population.  The available data
>>are inconclusive enough to support many opposing viewpoints.
> 
> Anyone here heard of Ludwig von Mises? His theory of the business cycle
> seems to be the only one which holds water:
> 
>   Government inflation of the money supply causes the boom, and
>   when the inflation is ceased the recession occurs.

	Except history doesn't bear out that theory:

> 3) During the 1980's the Federal reserve increased the money supply from
>    $400 billion to $800 billion. When the inflation stopped accelerating, 
>    we entered this current recession. For the boom to continue under inflation,
>    the growth in the money supply must acclerate, not remain constant.

	Inflation died long before the economy went into a recession.

> The interesting thing about inflation is that if it were merely stopped,
> the economy would get going again on its own. The recession is actually 
> the GOOD part of the business cycle because during the recession the 
> market realigns itself, correcting the malinvestments caused by inflation.
> Our government officals cannot seem to resist temptation, however.

	Adjustments can be made without resorting to a recession.  Unemployment
is not a necessary condition for economic realignment.

> The Fed just recently cut interest rates again, insuring that the ten-dollar
> bill you have in your wallet will be worth less tomorrow.

	Cutting interest rates will not devalue the dollar.

> Another interesting thing about inflation is that is redistributes goods
> and services from the consumers to the government. When the government buys
> goods and services with freshly printed money--it gets them for the current
> price. However, once this money is put into circulation, prices rise, and
> the dollar for everyone else becomes worth less.
> 
> Cool, huh?

	Out of sight.
:)

Brett                                                      
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Newsgroups: misc.headlines
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Boom Boom Boom Boom :)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:10:09 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <37013@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> jfh@reef.cis.ufl.edu (James F. Hranicky) writes:
>Anyone here heard of Ludwig von Mises? His theory of the business cycle
>seems to be the only one which holds water:

  An economic theory (or any scientific theory) really only "holds
  water" if it has reliable predictive value.    So use Mises' theory
  to predict something like inflation/unemployment/GDP, etc for, say,
  1993 or 1994. (or even 1992, i.e, what will it be for December?)


>The Fed just recently cut interest rates again, insuring that the ten-dollar
>bill you have in your wallet will be worth less tomorrow.

  The Fed has just engaged in the longest series of interest rate
  cuts in history yet we currently have a very low rate of inflation
  AND the money supply has hardly grown at all.  Seems Mises' theory
  is a litttle weak on predictions.  Moreover, leading indicators
  of inflation like gold prices and long-bond-rates have been continuously
  dropping, not a good sign for your theory, either. 

  
>Cool, huh?

  If it was really cool it would be predictive, and instead of posting to
  Usenet you'd be making a killing in the commodities markets.  I.e., if
  you're so smart how come you're not rich?


---peter




Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc
From: jfh@reef.cis.ufl.edu (James F. Hranicky)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism,sci.econ
Subject: Re: Boom Boom Boom Boom :)
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:25:00 GMT
Followup-To: misc.headlines
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

>_Why_ business cycles happen is perhaps the biggest open question in
>economics today, and has been since at least the turn of the century.
>No professional economist of whom I am aware considers the question of
>causality for business cycles to be a closed topic.  This is an area
>of great controversy and very active research within the profession,
>so it should come as no surprise that there is so much controversy and
>confusion about it among the general population.  The available data
>are inconclusive enough to support many opposing viewpoints.

Anyone here heard of Ludwig von Mises? His theory of the business cycle
seems to be the only one which holds water:

  Government inflation of the money supply causes the boom, and
  when the inflation is ceased the recession occurs.

1) In 1860, Lincoln ok'd the printing of $400 million dollars of greenbacks
   to help finance the civil war. I believe the largest boom was in the farming
   industry. When the country went back on the gold standard, there was
   a recession at least in the farming industry (I wish I had more details
   here.)

2) During the 20's the Federal Reserve, designed to prevent the business
   cycle (ha!) inflated the money supply by approximately 68% (by lowering the
   reserve requirements on gold), financing  the overspeculation so often 
   blamed for the depression. When the inflation ceased and the panic occured,
   those businesses artificially buoyed by the inflation went under.

3) During the 1980's the Federal reserve increased the money supply from
   $400 billion to $800 billion. When the inflation stopped accelerating, 
   we entered this current recession. For the boom to continue under inflation,
   the growth in the money supply must acclerate, not remain constant.

The interesting thing about inflation is that if it were merely stopped,
the economy would get going again on its own. The recession is actually 
the GOOD part of the business cycle because during the recession the 
market realigns itself, correcting the malinvestments caused by inflation.
Our government officals cannot seem to resist temptation, however.

The Fed just recently cut interest rates again, insuring that the ten-dollar
bill you have in your wallet will be worth less tomorrow.

Another interesting thing about inflation is that is redistributes goods
and services from the consumers to the government. When the government buys
goods and services with freshly printed money--it gets them for the current
price. However, once this money is put into circulation, prices rise, and
the dollar for everyone else becomes worth less.

Cool, huh?

Jim Hranicky (jfh@reef.cis.ufl.edu)

c.f. 	"Human Action," by Ludwig von Mises
     	"Economics in One Lesson," by Henry Hazlitt
	"America's Great Depression," by Murray N. Rothbard
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
From: whg@INEL.GOV (William H. Gray)
Subject: Re: Boom Boom Boom Boom :)
Reply-To: whg@INEL.GOV (William H. Gray)
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Lab
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 16:22:51 GMT

In article <37013@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>, jfh@reef.cis.ufl.edu (James F. Hranicky) writes:
|> 
|> Anyone here heard of Ludwig von Mises? His theory of the business cycle
|> seems to be the only one which holds water:
|> 
|>   Government inflation of the money supply causes the boom, and
|>   when the inflation is ceased the recession occurs.

I am not a fan of L von M,  but admire his scholarship.  This misstatement of his
business cycle theory hardly does him justice.  IMHO his experience with the dis-
astrous German (and Austrian) inflation of the '20's biased him toward inflation-
induced cycle swings.  That notwithstanding,  his theory does not explicitly require
inflation for there to be (gov't induced) cycle swings.

Another unfortunate circumstance for his theories is that they are in part founded
on an objection to statistical methods which is not mathematically correct.
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From: Nigel Griffith <nigeljan@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Date: 04 Sep 92 01:19 PDT
Subject: ? to rural from nigeljan@igc.org
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1427600004:000:93
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!nigeljan    Sep  4 01:19:00 1992


It still did not post my full address .. here it is

  nigeljan@igc.org

sorry for the mess
From: dabay@morse.cns.vt.edu (Marian Dabay)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: Capital Suicide (was Real Farms)
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:02:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA


    
    As for me, and my family, we'd rather walk through land of our own than
    push buttons for somebody else.
    
    /Bill
  
  I believe that it is very dangerous for our society to look at farming as
  merely another business enterprise and food as merely another commodity.
  If the computer software biz went belly up, I'd be out of a job but life
  would go on.  Without a stable agricultural base, and good decisions made 
  at the governmental and corporate level, our whole civilization would
  be in danger of expiring.
  
  Sadly, it seems all too possible.
  
  Bob Wildfong                                       bobw@csg.uwaterloo.ca
  Waterloo, Ontario                                  bobw@csg.waterloo.edu
  #include <stddisclaimer.h  
-------------

I have to agree whole heartedly.  I have worked in several different
fields and have never seen anyone who worked as hard as farmers or
contributed as much to our society.  It is really a shame that they
aren't better rewarded.  It's a lot like teachers.  What would our
nation be like without food on our tables or an education?  But these
two professions are probably the least paid skilled professions.  I'm
afraid that says something about our values (or lack thereof).  And 
what it says isn't good.  

While I agree with Bill that a BIG part of a farmers reward is working
his own land, think how nice it would be if he didn't have to worry
about losing it??

Marian Dabay
Virginia Tech
Blacksburg, VA


Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: mpleis@iastate.edu (Cowboy)
Subject: Re: Capital Suicide (was Real Farms)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:13:32 GMT

In article <FKITTRED.92Sep10134034@spchp11.BBN.COM> fkittred@spchp11.BBN.COM (Fletcher Kittredge) writes:
>In article <BuD2LF.7s5@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> bobw@csg.uwaterloo.ca (Bob Wildfong) writes:
>
>>   From: bobw@csg.uwaterloo.ca (Bob Wildfong)
>
>>   100 years ago, most people had much more appreciation and respect for
>>   agriculture than they do now.  About 80% (at least in my area) of the
>>   population (and therefore 80% of the politicians and economists) came
>>   from a rural background.
>
>They appreciated agriculture alright.  They knew agricultural labor
>was a backbreaking, dangerous and economcially and intellectually
>unrewarding life.  The vast majority were extrodinarily glad to get
>off the farm, even if it meant working in some factory on an assembly
>line.

This is a line of BS about 80 rods long.  The pride of working the land and
feeding the world.  I am planning to return to the farm. Got a problem with
that???

>
>>   I believe that it is very dangerous for our society to look at farming as
>>   merely another business enterprise and food as merely another commodity.
>>   If the computer software biz went belly up, I'd be out of a job but life
>>   would go on.  Without a stable agricultural base, and good decisions made 
>>   at the governmental and corporate level, our whole civilization would
>>   be in danger of expiring.
>
>I defend to the death your right to have such opinons, but *MY*
>opinion is that this is an example of muddy thinking.  Farming is just
>another business enterprise, abet one with political clout.  The

Your right, it is a business, Farming is how we live The goal is to make money.

>economic laws of efficient producers hold as well as any other
>business, and we should buy our food from whomever is the best
>supplier.  Punishing consumers to support the livestyles of a few
>farmers is morally bankrupt.
>
To tell you the truth the Government does more to keep consumer prices down
than farm prices up.

>
>By you line of reasoning, every country should maintain a complete and
>independent agricultural industry in order to protect their
>"civilization."  Therefore, the Japanese, Europeans, Russians, Arabs,
>Africans and Mexicans should ban imports of North American food
>products in order to protect their own inefficient argricultural
>industries.  I suspect this would be a net blow to the North American
>agriculture economies.
>
>As to your second point, the economy is so interdependent, if the a
>industry the size of the software industry went belly up, we would all
>be in big trouble.
>
>I applaud your choice to live on a farm.  Just don't expect us to pay
>for it!

Considering that is all goverment was removed from the dairy industry (as an
eample) Our price for milk would hit  $25/cwt and your would be $10 / gallon.
So to sum this up Don't cuss the farmer with your MOUTH FULL.


-- 
mpleis@iastate.edu     Mark L. Pleis 
Agricultural Systems Technology, Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa

Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: rcarter@gaudi.nas.nasa.gov (Russell L. Carter)
Subject: farming have value? (was Capital Suicide (was Real Farms))
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 19:54:04 GMT

In article <FKITTRED.92Sep10134034@spchp11.BBN.COM> fkittred@spchp11.BBN.COM (Fletcher Kittredge) writes:
>In article <BuD2LF.7s5@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> bobw@csg.uwaterloo.ca (Bob Wildfong) writes:
>
>>   From: bobw@csg.uwaterloo.ca (Bob Wildfong)
>
>>   100 years ago, most people had much more appreciation and respect for
>>   agriculture than they do now.  About 80% (at least in my area) of the
>>   population (and therefore 80% of the politicians and economists) came
>>   from a rural background.
>
>
>
>By you line of reasoning, every country should maintain a complete and
>independent agricultural industry in order to protect their
>"civilization."  Therefore, the Japanese, Europeans, Russians, Arabs,
>Africans and Mexicans should ban imports of North American food
>products in order to protect their own inefficient argricultural
>industries.  I suspect this would be a net blow to the North American
>agriculture economies.
>

The implicit point you missed is that the long term health of the
community is perhaps not best served by minimizing food costs in
the short term.  Community is whatever community you live in, where
ever that may be, and health is a lot more things than maximizing
the quantity of food units per people units.  A really nice nonpolemical
exposition of these sorts of ideas is given in Wendell Berry's book 
on agriculture titled (I believe) "The Unsettling of America".  


>As to your second point, the economy is so interdependent, if the a
>industry the size of the software industry went belly up, we would all
>be in big trouble.

Oh, I'm not so sure.  Industries come and go.  Certainly, parallel
supercomputers do.

>
>I applaud your choice to live on a farm.  Just don't expect us to pay
>for it!

Interesting.  Food should be free?  Or do you mean that living a 
farm type lifestyle that explicitly instills a need to be financially,
ecologically responsible, and community minded, has no intrinsic
value?  One might argue that the benefits to society that apparently
motivate tax breaks for home ownership are even more apparent
for family farms.

>
>regards,
>fletcher
>

Russell
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