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From: mnf0642@hertz.njit.edu (mnf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
Subject: Re: ACOREANOS aonde istao todos
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:59:57 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Nov18.195224.18657@odin.corp.sgi.com> cam@raider.csd.sgi.com (Carlos Medeiros) writes:
>
>Istou aqui a muinto tempo eu gostava de falar com pessoas que sao dos
>acores perticularment da TERCEIRA se tiver aqui alguen que e' de la'
>porfavor me escreva para falar comigo so e nao no "nett" me fassa uma
>resposta (reply)e eu lhe dei a "email path" 

	Da' para notar que esta's i ha muito tempo ;-)

>
>muinto obrigado.

	Nuno
>
>
>
From: andri@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
Subject: Re:E.Timor & Indonesia
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:18:50 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

THIS is the FIRST smart posting I ever read aobut ET.
Even though I don't agree with the PERSPECTIVE about Indonesian
history and people given by books written by scholars you mentioned in
your posting,(eg: Indonesia is as less cohesive as India. This is not
TRUE.) I agree with you in many points. Giving a complete independence
to ET provided it is the best thing for the ETrs is an OPTION. Why not
? Indonesia was created to give to all its people freedom an a
civilized life.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
From: roy@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Re: Indonesia
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:54:04 GMT

> 
>  E assim mesmo. Arriva-lhe. Porrada para de cima desses cornos,
> senhores, eh cum caneco.
> 
> 
> Cum razao carago.Pos ele e um home ruim que na~ curte Marco Paulo. Todos
> os Portugueses habiam de ser como nos, senhores. Biba o Benfica, carago.
> Biba o Sport Club do Garrafao.
>  
> Ah chenhores que na~ che perchebe o quequi quers dezer, carago. Pareces
> um Jaquim Alemao.
> Pois e^ ca' cho' digo mal de Portugal, carago. Ja' na~ fajem garrafoes 
> cumo intigamenti e ja na~ che fala fraaances. E a jubentude ja na~ gosta
> de Marco Paulo.
>   
> 
> Eu ca facho como os portugejes a serio na camionete aerea pra Portugal,
> amando um paido, PhhaaAAAaahh. Ahh grande schmell. Isto e que e o meu
> Govermento. PaaaHHHaaaaAAhhh. A mais outro. Temos parlamento.
> 
> Yours ,Joao das Nesperas.


O' Joao, isto sim e que foi engracado,pois ha muito que nao "houvia" um
Portugues assim tao verdadeiro. Morri de rir e espero que de vez enquanto
voltes a escrever assim mesmo. Me fez lembrar la da "aldeia" (Alenquer) onde ia
visitar uns familiares quando era crianca. E agora que nao sei se rir ou chorar
mesmo visto as saudades desse tempo serem muitas; a' "esses garrafoes 
de intigamenti"...

Rui

Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
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Piadas, sao piadas. Quem as acha com piada ri-se, quem nao acha engole...
Nem todas as piadas tem piada, e verdade, mas tambem nao vao mais longe do 
que serem isso mesmo, piadas!!
Sera que todo mundo tem que ser politicamente correcto para se nao ofender
a susceptibilidade de ninguem???
Sera que que um alentejano nao se pode rir de uma das muitas piadas que
existem sobre os mesmos?? Devemos acabar com todas as piadas sexistas e
racistas e discriminatorias que ha por ai?
Guida
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
From: jpl@tiger.fct.unl.pt (Joao Prospero Luis [ps])
Subject: Ponte sobre o Tejo
Organization: Universidade Nova de Lisboa, PORTUGAL
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:43:40 GMT

I wrote:
: Rui Gustavo Crespo (rgc@eagle.inesc.pt) wrote:
: : *) Dia 28 entram em funcionamento novas cabines sobre o Tejo no lado sul/norte.
: : Havera' vias verdes em algumas cabinas (cobranca automatica atraves de
: : dispositivo instalado no vidro do veiculo).
: : Eles dizem que a passagem na ponte sera' mais rapida.
: : 
: : NB! Chegam mais cedo `a ... bicha para a Praca de Espanha!!!
: 
: 	Duvido, passo por la' todos os dias para vir aqui para a faculdade e aquilo ainda
: parece um bocado atrasado.
: 	Ve la' a inteligencia dos tipos: segundo ouvi dizer as cabinas com via verde vao
: ser ao meio!!!
: 	Nao tenho duvida nenhuma que no sentido norte-sul a coisa vai melhorar um pouco, no
: sentido contrario e' que vai ser pior. A unica coisa que vai melhorar vai ser o facto de
: passar a haver quatro faixas desde a saida de almada.

	Venho-me corrigir:
		Hoje, ao atravessar a dita ponte, estavam a dar folhetos ao pessoal.
	Sempre vai abrir dia 28, com 10 caixas, sendo as duas da esquerda para via verde.
	Para o ano vao abrir mais cinco caixas, aumentando para quatro as vias verdes.
		As minhas informacoes anteriores vinham de outros folhetos distribuidos
	no meio do ano onde as caixas com via verde estavam desenhadas ao meio.

		JPL

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:23:42 -0500 
From: Joao S Albuquerque <ja2v+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Indonesia
	<1992Nov19.175404.1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu>

On 19-Nov-92 in Re: Indonesia                
user roy@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:
>voltes a escrever assim mesmo. Me fez lembrar la da "aldeia" (Alenquer)
onde ia
>visitar uns familiares quando era crianca. E agora que nao sei se rir
ou chorar

Alenquer.!?. Isso e na Beira?

Yours Joao, Beirao da Beira, nascido em Lisboa (colonia beira~).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: justin@nx30.mik.uky.edu (justin sullivan)
Subject: Re: Germany tweaks Japan
    <2419@usna.NAVY.MIL>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Path: nx30.mik.uky.edu!justin
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:43:44 GMT

In <2419@usna.NAVY.MIL> wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>) writes:

>Explain again how comments made by Germans concerning Japanese illustrate
>a problem with American thinking?

I said Western thinking, but I should have restated it. I apologize..
America is as 'Western' as you get, so I thought it a relevant comparison.
Could these comments have been made another western power? Sure! In fact,
Presidenet Bush said the same thing Germany did earlier this year (except
he wasn't as polite). The comments indicate a problem more with the 
'Western' ways of thinking (i.e, it's our way or no way), but America
is more um.. 'outspoken' then most other western nations. I think you
get the jist.. America likes to play Global Cop and bully everyone into
doing what it says, because after all, the American way is the BEST way!
<hehehe.. NOT!>

>>I'm sure Western businessmen HATE to do business in Japan
>>because of this complex distribution system. They can't compete because
>>they don't know how it works, they're not used to it, etc.

>Don't take this as a blanket excuse for Western businessmen (who do plenty of
>irritating whining), but the Japanese distribution system creates plenty
>of problems for Japanese consumers.  Criticism of this system is not always
>an attempt to divert attention from one's own inadequacies.

Sure.. Nobody's perfect. The Japanese distribution system does seem awfully
peculiar, but there MUST be good reasons why they keep it. I don't know
what those may be, though.. :) Anyone care to enlighten me? 

>>I hear that the Japanese markets are wide open.

>Yeah, I hear that too.  I've heard also that antigravity has been perfected
>and that slavery is about to be reinstituted in the South.  I've even heard
>some things that you might doubt the veracity of.

Getting back to President Bush and his comments, I believe the Japanese
response to his bellyaching was something to the effect of: "Our markets
ARE open.. Just because Japanese don't care much for American products.."
It's a good point. I've read here that many Japanese like certain American
automobiles, and that's all fine and dandy, but is Japan a good market for
a lot of American products? Maybe.. Maybe not. It's possible that Western
companies can't get by in Japan because there really isn't a very large
market to begin with. I don't know.. Anyone have any market studies? :)
I do know that I don't think it's very polite to invite yourself to someone
else's home so you can compete with them and then nearly insult them because
you can't have everything your way..
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: kokuyama@oregon.uoregon.edu (Kumiko Okuyama)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: What's REALLY wrong with you guys.
Date: 20 Nov 1992 09:07 PST
Organization: University of Oregon
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In article <1992Nov20.131128.13258@Csli.Stanford.EDU>, hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga) writes...

>Then a toast is given, and the dishes get brought in.
>After that, you're free to eat/drink and talk with your company.
                                      *****************
If you are a guest, you can eat and drink.  But if you are a bride, you
are not supposed to eat.  (I was told not to eat anything during mymy 
wedding reception.)reception.)
From: ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,mlist.jpop
Subject: Re: new newsgroup discussion
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:54:34 GMT
Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies

I'm sending this on from soc.culture.japan

Cheers,

Ross-c

In article <BxvwC5.C4E.1@cs.cmu.edu> you write:
>I would certainly support the creation of soc.culture.japan.music and
>soc.culture.japan.sports.  There is clearly enough traffic on both of
>these topics to merit individual newsgroups.  They are also both well
>defined areas.



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From: keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Comments on Politics (Re: Kanemaru's latest stunt)
Date: 23 Nov 1992 09:13:04 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
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Keywords: politics, Kanemaru, Takeshita, Miyazawa

In article <1992Nov19.132349.23503@news.uni-stuttgart.de> SHIMOKOSHI@nvdv.e-technik.uni-stuttgart.dbp.de (K. SHIMOKOSHI) writes:

>>Eisaku Sato was a superior Prime Minister who contributed greately to the
>>Japan-U.S. Security and was awarded the Nobel prize.

Not. He was just another silent lackluster Japanese prime minister
we had to put up with. An emphatic thumb down.

Miki gets my vote for busting a former-premier Tanaka for receiving
Lockheed kickbacks. Nakasone for being the first frost-and-babble 
Japanese prime minister and for privatizing infamous Japanese National
Railway and other government-owned inefficient economic disasters.
And Kaifu/Takeshita for reforming the Japanese tax system from
goods/exercise tax based system to broad-based consumption tax-driven
system. You have to note Tanaka, Nakasone, and Kaifu were enormously
popular among Japanese in their haydays. Mr. Shimokoshi, I think,
objected to a direct voting of Prime Minister because he is afraid
of Shitaro Ishiwara getting elected. But you cannot have it both ways.
If you look at the opinion polls in the past, Japanese public have
been doing quite well for supporting capable premiers and balking at
incompetents.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: driscollsh1@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: <None>
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:40:06 GMT


      Could someone please tell me the name of the main island of Japan?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner)
Subject: Re: More on "gaijin" (was Re: Please give your opinions...)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 04:44:27 GMT

masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:


>   Recently, I read a book "Amerika to Nippon" written by Reona "Leo" Ezaki 
>(Physicist, Nobel Laureate). In comparing the American society and the 
>Japanese society, he cites a data which shows that in the US, 60 % of
>information is transmitted by way of the language whereas only 16 %
>is conveyed via words in Japan. In other words, you can understand only
>16 % of speaker's intention in Japan if you stick to the literal meaning 
>of spoken words. This seems to be a good estimation. Japanese culture
>requires the receiver of the information to be highly imaginative, and
>the American culture requires the sender of the information to be
>highly specific.

Actually, I find that speakers of Japanese rely more on "phatic"
communication, and much of this is formulaic and, therefore, learned. I
think the Japanese are no more "imaginative" in their listening than
Americans are -- they just know the clues and signals, and they keep the
rhythm in their own way with "aizuchi." None of this is has anything to do
with imagination, but an innate understanding of the linguistic (and
otherwise communicative) manifestations of culture.

I do believe, however, that the Japanese do pay attention and listen
better and are, therefore, more open to these types of "clues." But then,
that's all part of the training, isn't it? It might surprise you to know
that the book you cited gives a somewhat higher figure (16%) for amount of
information communicated verbally by Japanese speakers than some studies
of the same sort I have seen for Americans (7%). Like, y'know? (shrug)

RB
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: jjm@jimm.uucp (Jim Macklow)
Subject: Re: Who started all this gaijin myth?! (was Re: Genitals in Japan)
Organization: I am the cheese, the cheese stands alone
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:04:55 GMT

In article <23NOV199211063302@vxcrna.cern.ch> ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP) writes:
>In article <MS-C.722505867.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU>, Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> writes...
>>Michiaki Masuda writes:
>>> So, how do you want us to call "gaijin"? We cannot call them "Nippon-jin",
>>>can we?
>> 
>>Answer: how about ``hito'', ``o-kyaku-san'', etc.?
>
>I agree with you that there is a tendency to use the word for foreigner too
>often when it is not needed and that to simply use the nationality-neutral
>terms would be much more acceptable.
>

Unfortunately for Europeans, whites usually end up being called amerikajin.
A German friend of mine living in Japan _loves_ >:-) being called 
"amerikajin."  

>>WHY is it so damn important to have to specifically say that the person is not
>>of Japanese race?  Yes, I mean ``Japanese race'' -- I have *never* heard
>>``gaijin'' used to describe anyone who looks Japanese.
>
>Sorry, but it is not used solely as a racist term.  It can be used to
>distinguish er...non-Japanese Japanese.  I have been called a gaijin as
>well (mostly by old ladies).
>

Again, I think that the first thing that pops in Taro's mind when he
hears a person described as "gaijin," is a big, hairy, blond, white
American who can't speak Japanese.

-Jim 
(I guess I should add that I haven't been to Japan for 4 years; things
may have changed).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
From: urbin@interlan.interlan.com (Mark Urbin)
Subject: Re: Yoshi Hattori
Organization: Racal-Datacom
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:55:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.020907.25319@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:
>In New York City two undercover cops were trying to arrest a woman.
>One had her covered with a gun, the other was searching her purse for
>a weapon. Three other uniformed cops came along and assumed the
>undercover cops were robbing the woman. They told the undercover
>cop with a gun to freeze and when he didn't, they shot him. Emptied
>a semiautomatic and a revolver into the undercover cop. The one with
>a semiauto was reloading in preparation to shoot again before he
>realized he had shot another cop.

   I read about this one in the Friday's (11/20/92) Boston Globe.  That 
article didn't mention anything about the Transit Cops (the ones that did 
the shooting) yelling `Freeze'.  The article did mention that, "Within 
seconds, the two white Transit Authority Officers unleased 21 rounds of 
gunfire.  One even stopped to reload, then resumed firing before realizing 
they had shot a fellow undercover officer..."  The officer at the wrong end 
of the guns was listed in serious condition with a bullet in his neck.  Two 
other shots were stopped by the officers vest.  So there were nineteen stray 
rounds during that encounter.  Sounds like any bystanders were at more 
risk from the Transit cops than their target.

  
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: aki@bnlux1.bnl.gov (akihiro yamashita)
Subject: Re: Social Democratic Party
Organization: Brookhaven Nat'l Lab. Upton. N.Y. 11973 U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:53:11 GMT

In article <1ed02sINNnke@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka) writes:
>Reading Richmond's quotes on Kanemaru affair,
>I noticed both SDP and DSP appeared in UPI dispatch.
>
>What is Social Democratic Party?  When was it established?
>Did Japanese Socialist Party changed its official name
>recently?  

Yes , they changed their official English name a few years ago.
Japanese name is still 'Nippon Shakai Tou'.  

Yamashita
From: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Germany tweaks Japan
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:45:41 GMT
Organization: U.S. Naval Academy

In article <justin.722232851@mik.uky.edu> justin@nx30.mik.uky.edu (justin sullivan) writes:
>In <Bxz9t1.zM@world.std.com> cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond) writes:
>
>[UPI article about Germany's gripes with Japan's way of doing business deleted]
>
>This is probably a good example of the single largest flaw with Western
>thinking (American thinking, to be exact): We think everything should be 
>done *OUR* way.

Explain again how comments made by Germans concerning Japanese illustrate
a problem with American thinking?

>I'm sure Western businessmen HATE to do business in Japan
>because of this complex distribution system. They can't compete because
>they don't know how it works, they're not used to it, etc.

Don't take this as a blanket excuse for Western businessmen (who do plenty of
irritating whining), but the Japanese distribution system creates plenty
of problems for Japanese consumers.  Criticism of this system is not always
an attempt to divert attention from one's own inadequacies.

>I hear that the Japanese markets are wide open.

Yeah, I hear that too.  I've heard also that antigravity has been perfected
and that slavery is about to be reinstituted in the South.  I've even heard
some things that you might doubt the veracity of.

>It's not Japan's fault that Western businesses aren't familiar with the
>Japanese way of doing business.

True.
-- 
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Department of Mathematics     phone: (410)267-3192 / fax: (410)267-4883
United States Naval Academy
Annapolis, MD  21402-5002     Senri no tabi mo ippo yori...
From: blamb@hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: What's REALLY wrong with you guys.
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:08:54 GMT
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.

In article <2412@usna.NAVY.MIL>, wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL 
(Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>) writes:
=> I think I've figured out what is the most shameful and despicable aspect
=> of Japanese culture:  namely, the belief that no public event is complete
=> without a few hours of speeches.
=> 
=> I've watched Japanese weddings, both real and fictional, on video several
=> times.  I've never been to one in person (I remind myself of this fact
=> whenever I'm tempted to believe I have nothing to be thankful for).  No
=> matter how many times I see it, the shock never wears off.  What a parade
=> of speakers! Every third cousin and every former roommate has to make a speech
=> congratulating the happy couple.  Meanwhile a roomful of wedding guests
=> sits stiffly with eyes glazed over as their beers slowly flatten.

I've attended two weddings in Japan. One was my own. There were
perhaps too many speeches. On the other hand, I've been to many
weddings in the U.S. where I wish there were *some* speeches,
or some way to invoke some emotion and togetherness with the
friends and family of the bride and groom, in my opinion, this
is reason to have speeches.

Too much is not good (especially the company oriented stuff),
but not enough is not good either. 

- Bill Lambert
From: lindaa@sooth.Berkeley.EDU (Linda Absher)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: please no holy romanization wars
Date: 18 Nov 1992 22:18:24 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
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In article <MS-C.722069999.662824084.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) writes:

	[stuff deleted]
>
>There are several systems of romanization used for Japanese, and each of these
>systems have several variations.  Japanese school-children first learn the
>Official System (kunrei-shiki) and later on learn Hepburn which foreigners
>tend to prefer.  The American textbooks on Japanese use a modified form of
>kunrei-shiki.
>

Interesting; during my studies of Japanese, the text books I've used have
always used the Hepburn system.  It wasn't until very recently (I bought
Barrons' book of conjugating Japanese verbs) that I became aware of the
other system.

I wonder if other "gaijin" (no flame intended) have reached a point where 
reading/writing in hiragana and katakana is a whole lot easier than trying
to read in romaji.  Any comments?


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe)
Subject: KDPLUS
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:36:49 GMT

Please reply via email.

I've tried both MOKE and NJSTAR. I thought NJSTAR was much better, but I heard
KDPLUS is also good.  Is it better than NJSTAR?  If so, in which FTP site
can I find it?

Thanks in advance.

-- 
Hisaharu Tanabe                 E-Mail : hit@sol.acs.unt.edu
University of North Texas                htanabe@world.std.com (if in Japanese)
Denton,Texas
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