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From: grant_jo@ripple.enet.dec.com (Joel Grant)
Subject: Zapruder Film
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 10 NOV 92 08:24:38 PDT


There is more to the story of the Z-film:

1. While it is clear that several frames are missing from the
frame-by-frame WCH, frame 210 is shown in the WCR.  It is
shown to illustrate that at this frame the limo was past
the tree, as seen through the rifle's scope.

2. If you watch the z-film you will note that it is quite seamless
after the initial pause. (motorcycles come into view, pause, then
limo is seen)

3. The story of the purchase of the z-film can be found in the 
book _Life in Camelot_.  The man who purchased the film on behalf
of "Life" (Tommy Thompson, if I recall) relates that he heard about
the film from a local stringer.  He began calling Zapruder's house
every hour on the hour.  At 9 pm he finally reached Zapruder, who
was quite exhausted and emotionally drained.  He had *already seen*
the film; if someone else (CIA, FBI) had a copy overnight they
certainly did not have Zapruder's original.  This is the one sold
to "Life" and the one used by the WC.  At 9:00 the next morning
Thompson and Zapruder and Sitzman and a few others viewed the
film.  Thompson typed up a contract and paid Zapruder the initial
installment of $50K.  In 1975 "Life" turned the film over to
Zapruder's heirs.  Zapruder's heirs turned the film over to the
National Archives though they retained television rights.

There is no evidence whatsoever that the Zapruder film has been
tampered with.  Indeed, conspirators would have had to have worked
very quickly to have it back in Zapruder's hands prior to 9 pm
that night.  And one must wonder how the film-alterers could have
known so quickly just what alterations to accomplish.

4. Clear, enlarged color views of z-313 and after are readily
available.  See "Life" magazine, November, 1983 (it was a
monthly by then).  Or if you get a chance, tape the "Nova"
special.  Or, send $20 to: Dr. Michael West, P.O. Box 15846,
Hattiesburg, MS  39404 (address was published in "JAMA" so
I am not giving anything away publishing it here) to get a
copy of his presentation "Confirmation of the Single Bullet
Theory."  This was originally presented at the 44th Annual
Meeting of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences in
February, 1992.  Anyway, if nothing else it also is a source
for enhanced z-film views.

You will note that none of the damage postulated by second
gunman theorists is visible in any of these views.  The z-frames
shown by Groden/Livingstone are so fuzzy that Jackie's dress can
be represented as a portion of a wound.  Clear pictures show that
all the damage to JFK's head is pretty much where Humes, Lattimer,
Clark Panel, Wecht, Rockefeller Commission Panel, HSCA Panel
all place it. 

Joel Grant (speaking on his own behalf)
From: U54778@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: If it were I - Was: Re: Dallas TV coverage that d
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:38:59 GMT
 <1992Nov8.030405.4919@eskimo.celestial.com> <schuck.721243351@sfu.ca>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

It is within your right to question all the "confiscated" film reports.
And Schuck quite rightly points out that there is documented material
that the Zfilm was in the hands of the NPIC that very night, so there is
cause to wonder whether the Zfilm is unmolested.
What you should further know is that there is a lot of testimony and
research to support these various claims of photos and films confiscated
from those in Dealey Plaza.  It is not just a spurious claim by anti-WC
people.
  If you follow down most of these stories, they check out.  And it is
especially suspicious that these photos have been supressed.
ALAN ROGERS
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From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick)
Subject: Re: I Have Been Forbidden to Speak the Truth From THIS Account
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date:  9 Nov 92 16:30:10 GMT

Once more into the fray, but *briefly* :

gfv@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (gregory.f.valvo) writes:

>Since when is free access to a computer with considerable online storage and
>networking capabilities for the purpose of expressing personal opinions
>one of the BASIC RIGHTS of a corporation's employees??? I look at access
>to these news groups as a perk. If AT&T were to discontinue access it
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

OK, even if you assume this to be 100% accurate, I still don't see anything
in the US constitution or Bill of Rights that says you have a right to
free speech UNLESS YOUR EMPLOYER SAYS OTHERWISE.

If any corporation or entity does NOT want its employees posting certain
types of information, they need to be crystal clear about it so that there
is NO more confusion about it than is absolutely necessary.  IMHO, the
easiest way to do this would simply be to say "NO personal postings"
and leave it at that.

I would NOT be in favor of this, mind you.  Again, IMHO, as long as that
employee does not

a) fail to accomplish primary goals set forth as condition of employment
	due to time spent posting

b) cause undue strain to the companies facilities that prevents REAL
	work from getting done

...there should be no problems.  All of this IMHO, of course.

Duane

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From: wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: I Have Been Forbidden to Speak the Truth From THIS Account
Date: 8 Nov 92 02:19:16 GMT
Organization: Red Wolfe @ The Wolves Den
X-Md4-Signature: 3a8df7d7e18e877de4cb8249b9f4fb3b

More likely, John was spending too much company time typing in the
stuff.
-- 
G. Wolfe Woodbury @ The Wolves Den, Durham NC	[This site is NOT affiliated  ]
wolfe@wolves.durham.nc.us			[with Duke University! Idiots!]
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,misc.legal
Subject: Re: USA President's power to pardon
From: David B. Horvath, CDP <MBADBH@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:35:23 EST
Organization: Hidden - I don't speak for them...

Bush could avoid all chances of prosecution by pardoning all of his {alleged}
co-conspiritors in the IRAN-CONTRA-GATE.

The pardon in itself would not stop the special prosecutor; but how's this
deal sound: in return for a full pardon, Bush would resign shortly before
the end of his term (mid-Novermber to mid-December) allowing J. Dan Quayle
to become president for a short time.  JDQ could then pardon Bush and end
the entire sorrid affair.

What would Dan get out of this?  The only chance to become president, even
if just for a short time.

Is this legal?  Could it be a conspiracy??

   - David
From: mfriley@pacman.WPI.EDU (Margaret F Riley)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: CIA/Peace Corps
Date: 13 Nov 1992 17:55:20 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: pacman.wpi.edu

In article <3480@carroll1.cc.edu> jpwieske@carroll1.cc.edu (JP Wieske) writes:
>
>I would like information on the following topic:
>Connection between the CIA and the Peace Corps.
>Anyone who has any information on the linkage betwwen these organizations,
>I would greatly appreciate any info (or for that matter intelligent
>speculation)
>Thanks for your time, and thanks in advance for your
>info.
>E-mail me if you can. 
>Thanks again,
>JP Wieske
>jpwieske@carroll1.cc.edu

Please post whatever you find so the rest of us can see it also.

Margaret Riley
mfriley@wpi.wpi.edu


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From: cp7927@oktext.sbc.com (Caryn S. Prater)
Subject: Re: Bush team said to skew latest economic-growth data
Reply-To: cp7927@oktext.UUCP (Caryn S. Prater)
Organization: Southwestern Bell
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 00:38:19 GMT

In article <Bxo2BM.7nu@mail.boi.hp.com> hypes@boi.hp.com (Gary Hypes) writes:
>Amy's story is a direct take from an OPINION piece written for the
>New York Times.  The gist of that article was, Gosh, folks, I refuse to
>believe that the economy is improving, so Bush MUST have cooked the
>numbers.
>
>The last two economic reports on Jobless claims -- both post-election --
>have continued to show decreasing jobless claims.  And these are not
>particularly hot employment months.
>
>Sorry if the data is contrary to the desires of the media...
>
>- Gary Hypes -

Gary,

Is this because fewer people are losing their jobs or fewer people
have jobs to lose?  Are these first time claims?  And, isn't it
funny how when things were bright and rosey Bush had no problem
with the media?  To tell you the truth I'm getting pretty sick and
tired of everyone blaming the media for their own failure, hasn't it
become rather trite?

Caryn

Caryn


--
Nolite te bastardes carborunodorum
       Author unknown :-)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.news-media
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: News coverage of elections
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:25:20 GMT

In article <5NOV199216581608@mivax.mc.duke.edu>, seth@mivax (SETH) writes:
>No, I meant 2% *in North Carolina*.  The *local* news station was reporting the
>results of statewide contests.  The Libs. consistently got either 0% or 2-3%.
>A friend confirmed my hunch; the election officials delayed counting 
>libertarian votes because they weren't supposed to win.  It made it look like
>no one *at all* voted for the Libs., which wasn't true.

Can I get confirmed results with all the votes somewhere?

//Jyrki
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism
From: parrish@ecn.purdue.edu (Stephen L. Parrish)
Subject: Re: Action list for Clinton Administration
Keywords: cia,mj12,bush,forrestal,greys,zeta reticulum
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 03:15:17 GMT

Perhaps adding to this list pushing for Term Limits?


-- 
Stephen Parrish              |  "Do not speak to me of good men, bind them
Purdue University            |   with the chains of the constitution"
School of Nuclear Engineering|   --  Thomas Jefferson  (roughly) 
parrish@gn.ecn.purdue.edu    |  KEMP/Powell '96   (If the US survives '92-96)
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From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Censoring John Dinardo Violates Constitutional Law
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:53:14 EST
Summary: Doesn't
Distribution: alt
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Nov6.005159.8542@oracle.us.oracle.com>, rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers) writes:
> brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) writes:
> 
>>Hmmm, If I might ask, how does this person who was removed have a right
>>to be on the net? I think that net access is privileged and therefore
>>does not fall under the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.
> 
> He has the right to
> 
> 	(a)	due process,
> 	(b)	the identity of his accusers,
> 	(c)	the substance of their complaints,

	The above apply only in the court of law.  Usenet is not a court.

> 	(d)	the delineation of how he is misusing resources, IE, how
> 		his patterns of use differ from other employees' patterns,
> 		and the quantifiable consequences of this pattern of use,
> 		IE, was he meeting his production goals or clogging up
> 		network bandwidth ?

	The memo posted detailed how any why he was violating AT&T use
standards.

> If it can't be quantified, then it's subjective and subject to being
> challenged.
> 
> In court, if necessary.

	Even the EFF people don't support your position.  Give it up.  You
can't *force* someone to give you access through their machines.

Brett
===============================================================================
80s: 18 million new jobs, deficits down (%GNP), tax rates down, tax revenues up
GNP up, inflation down, unemployment down, interest rates down, cold war won
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From: finneyk@seanews.akita.com (Ken Finney)
Subject: Re: Unmarked Black Aircraft Sightings
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News + Mail
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:44:34 GMT

> 
> >I have never been a person to believe in conspiracys but I believe that
> >soil. I am not sure what it is all about but I believe we should find
> >Selfridge Airforce Base today. Until we find out who is controlling
> 

There was quite a lot of interest in several all black passenger jets
a couple of years back, but it turned out they were being used my
the Marshal's Service to transport prisoners.  I would guess that
these are just Special Forces exercises, especially if they are
UH-60 Blackhawk helicopters.  Of course, that doesn't mean that
there aren't Russians, Israelis, Columbians, and others training
with our military, it happens all the time.


--
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finneyk@seanews.akita.com
From: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: Drowning Duck Experiment?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 03:46:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.180657.3322@schunix.uucp>, sonix@schunix.uucp (Duane Morin) writes...
>One of the guys here at work tells a story about an early experiment in 
>the effect of detergent/water combinations, where a duck is set swimming in 
>a small bath of water, to which a small amount of detergent is added.  The
>detergent breaks the surface tension of the water, and the poor duck gets 
>too wet and sinks.  
> 
>Question:  Can anyone document this?  Is there some sort of chemistry
>explanation for it?  And, perhaps most importantly, does anyone that knows 
>this story know what kind of detergent (in particular what chemical) was 
>used?  We are looking for something that we can add to a water bath to 
>facilitate getting objects wet.  If this exists, it might be what we're 
>looking for.

Yes.  One of a series of Time-Life books on science has such a photograph
of a duck, which is obviously rather soaked and frustrated, and is riding
quite low in the water.  I don't know exactly which in the series it is
offhand, though.  I don't know which detergent they used, but almost any
detergent should work.  That's how they work, they help oil and water to
'get along' more or less.

-Mike
From: jbf@wts.com (Jens B. Fiederer)
Subject: Re: Human bodies explode in vacuum?
Organization: Wegmans Transaction Services
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:13:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.232240.5653@ctp.com> bpita@ctp.com (Bob Pitas) writes:
>
>Actually, you can't compress liquids.  It's the gases (nitrogen, to
>be exact) that cause 'rapture of the deep' for divers.  The nitrogen
>gets compressed during the decent, and then forms bubbles on the ascent.
>These bubbles block blood vessels, and generally do bad things.  The
>phenominae is called 'Nitrogen Narcosis'.  In space, you would have the
>same problem, the gases in your blood would expand, and form bubbles,
>which would block vessels to your brain, heart, etc.  Bummer...
>I guess the real question is can the human body withstand the pressure of
>these expanding gases.  (Or does a human make a good balloon?)
>I would say that human skin would make a fairly effective gas-bag.  I
>wonder if surface level blood-vessels would blow open, though.  Maybe
>eyeballs too...  Hmmmm....  >Shudder<  Not a pretty site.  :^)
>
Actually, THAT phenomenon you have described is 'embolism'.  'Rapture of
the deep', or 'Nitrogen Narcosis', actually refers to a chemical effect
of high concentrations of nitrogen IN SOLUTION in your bloodstream.  You
get the narcosis while you are under pressure -- you get the embolism when
the pressure is released.

Jens
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: 2 questions re Newton's Laws of Motion
Date: 8 Nov 92 17:05:56 GMT
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <7NOV92.22361143@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca>, chem@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca writes:
>Hi. You know the tablecloth trick where the person pulls the
>tablecloth from under a fancy place setting and all the plates
>stay in place?  How is that related to inertia of the plates?
>I mean the person is still exerting a force on the system by pulling
>the tablecloth? Also, is it only the force of friction that demands
>that the person pull the tablecloth out really fast?

There are two coefficients of friction of interest in this case:
	1)  The coefficient of static friction; that's the one you use when
	    the plate's not moving relative to the tablecloth; and
	2)  The coefficient of sliding friction.  That's the one you use when
	    the plate and the tablecloth are moving relative to each other.
The coefficient of sliding friction is lower than the coefficient of static
friction.  Now, the reason for pulling out the tablecloth really fast is that
first, it gets you into the regime of sliding friction, and second, the force
felt by the plate once you're in that regime is pretty much constant.  The
faster you pull out the tablecloth, the shorter the period of time over which
the force is exerted, and the less work is done on the plate.  I.e., the less
the plate moves.

>Secondly, a neat trick is to take a piece of looseleaf paper and
>put it on top of a textbook (make sure the paper doesn't hang out over
>the book's face).  Then drop the system and the paper does not separate
>out and up from the book.  How come?

Because in that configuration, the paper experiences virtually no force other
than that of gravity.  Also, one would have to introduce, somehow air, between
the paper and the book in order to separate them.  Given the conditions you've
set up, the direction of airflow would be parallel to the surface of the paper,
and the Bernoulli effect comes into play.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
From: jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath)
Subject: Re: Photographic Memory
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:41:03 GMT

From article <7135@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk>, by ian@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk (Speed Freak):
> Is there such a thing as a photographic memory ?  Has it ever been proven in
> an individual ?  Does the person have to read a page, or study a diagram in
> detail; or can they just look at the page/diagram for a few moments and then
> read it back ?
>

Yep, just look up eidetic (sp?) memory.   
-- 
"Land of song, said the warrior bard,           Jim Heath
Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
From: tlouie@athena.mit.edu (Tom Louie)
Subject: Re: 2 questions re Newton's Laws of Motion
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 07:01:40 GMT

In article <7NOV92.22361143@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca> chem@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca writes:
>Hi. You know the tablecloth trick where the person pulls the
>tablecloth from under a fancy place setting and all the plates
>stay in place?  How is that related to inertia of the plates?

I think the main principle in action here is that the dynamic friction
of the plates on the quickly moving cloth is much lower than the static
friction of the plates on a slow moving or stationary cloth.

>Secondly, a neat trick is to take a piece of looseleaf paper and
>put it on top of a textbook (make sure the paper doesn't hang out over
>the book's face).  Then drop the system and the paper does not separate
>out and up from the book.  How come?

Why should the paper fall slower than the book?  The book and paper
should accellerate towards the ground at the same rate.  The reason the
paper might fall slower is the air resistance on the paper.  If the
paper is atop the book, no such slowdown.  [loads of hand waving :) ]

Tom
From: juola@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (Patrick Juola)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Phony SCIFI on TV an
Date: 8 Nov 92 03:13:18 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <xeno.721000406@aviator.cc.iastate.edu> xeno@iastate.edu (Gary L Snethen) writes:
>As I recall from long ago, a phaser is basically a laser that fires several
>frequencies in harmony --- such as a chord of three frequencies of coherent
>light.
>
>--- Xeno
>


Um, I don't know where you're remembering from, but it's far off the mark.
A phaser is an unexplained plot device created by Gene Roddenberry in
a television show of the late 60's called _Star_Trek.  It has absolutely
no technological basis.

A phaser is also a way of describing AC electrical power, used by EE's and
their ilk, in designing circuits, that often produces such "chords" as
you describe in a well-designed circuit.

No relation.

	- kitten
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science,sci.misc,rec.arts.startrek.tech
From: rlbell@babbage.uwaterloo.ca (Richard Bell)
Subject: Re: Human bodies explode in vacuum?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:52:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.232647.13311@kth.se> tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE writes:
>In article <Bx9Cr5.M5E@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, rlbell@babbage.uwaterloo.ca (Richard Bell) writes:
>>Nitrogen narcosis is caused by the air pressure being high enough to start
>>forming laughing gas.  (aside: if the pressure became even higher, nitrogen
>>would combust with the oxygen -- one of the many reasons submariners have
>>no fear of drowning).
>
>NO WAY!!!
>
>Changing pressure (and we're talking about very modest pressure changes 
>compared to what's used in e.g. industrial processes involving gaseous 
>reactants) can effect the thermodynamics of a chemical reaction; it's 
>equilibrium, i.e. "would it be possible for this reaction to occur". If 
>the gas phase reaction occurs or not, is bascially only a *temperature* 
>question.
>
>You do *NOT* get N2O from N2 + O2 when you're diving, and you do *NOT* 
>get NO2 when you go deeper.
>
>Where do people get all strange ideas from?
>
Nitrogen narcosis usually occurs at depths around 300 feet, or (at 30 ft to
the atm) a pressure change of ten atmospheres.

The reaction is 2N2 + O2 = 2N2O, as the volume of the product is only 2/3's
of the reactants' volume, this reaction is favored by increased pressure.  

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