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From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: How come I don't lose weight?
Date: 19 Aug 1992 22:00:11 GMT
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System

In article <63620007@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) writes:
|> Running through exercise numbers, making some assumptions:
|> 
|> 50 minutes walk equates to 3 miles per day.  (Medium-fast walker)
|> Assuming you weigh 150 pounds (the numbers scale), you collect
|> 100 calories per mile.
|> 
|> So, for 5 lunchhours per week, you have spent 1500 calories per
|> week on exercise.  At 7000 calories per pound of fat, you
|> would lose a pound roughly every 5 weeks with this regime.
|> 
|> Alas, exercise *and* diet are both crucial.
|> 
|> Pete Brooks
 
Is it just me or do these cold, hard facts seem very depressing?  What's
unsaid here is that if someone who is walking 50 minutes 5 times/week
happens to consume a few measly extra calories per day (perhaps increased
appetite?), she won't even lose the 1 pound every 5 weeks.

I was in a diet group one time where we did calculations on figures such
as these.  Our diet literature said that women require 15 calories/pound
to maintain their weight (obviously a generalization, but let's go with
it).  We had one woman in our group whose problem was diabetes, not obesity.  
She was 5'2" and weighed exactly 100 pounds.  She weighed in with us every 
week.  She was always between 99 and 102 pounds (but usually *exactly*
100), and she got to eat 1500 calories/day (it was a food exchange program 
like WW).  [This gal was in the group because her cravings for sweets (and 
her subsequent deviations from the straight and narrow, diet-wise), especi-
ally in the area of sweets, was truly endangering her health.]  All the 
rest of us were overweight (some weighed twice as much as our tiny friend), 
and we were eating only 1200 calories/day of exchanges.

OUR weight losses, after the initial, exciting losses of the first few 
weeks of the program, dwindled to about 1/2 lb/week (and sometimes the
1/2 lb would be back the following week).  Over the months we were in 
this group together, this dear girl had the hardest time sticking to the 
program of any of us, but we noted that whether she was being "good" or 
bingeing, her weight never varied; her health suffered since her body 
couldn't seem to deal with all the sugar she was ingesting from the ice 
cream and cheesecake, but it seemed to have no problem dealing with all 
the fat in those foods; she never gained weight from it.  But the rest of
us paid in pounds (either gained or not lost) for every transgression.

When I look at things like this, the numbers baffle and lose their
meaning.  That elusive thing called "metabolism" or "metabolic rate"
must account for most of the differences between us, but I would dearly
love to know where I go to register for a transplant!

Jan
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: hannan@sco.COM (cultural elitist)
Subject: Re: Bagel Spreads Wanted (Low Fat)
Organization: Department of Information Provision
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 02:08:06 GMT


In article <1992Aug7.194937.20458@leland.Stanford.EDU>, marilyn@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marilyn Angell) writes:
==> 
==> YES.  Refrigerate the yogurt at all times!  Actually I use the Really 
==> Creamy Yogurt Cheese Funnel, a rediculously overpriced plastic funnel 
==> with a fine mesh liner.  But it stands up all by itself in a glass in
==> the refrigerator... maybe you can rig up something similar yourself.

line a melitta plastic coffee filter (6 or 8 cup, size 4, i think)
with cheesecloth, scoop the yogurt in, place it on top of a glass,
and leave it in the fridge.


-- 
and i can talk about it for ages....
"yep, i had to go and pick these 4 californian women up from the 
 paris train at 6 in the morning"...
 sounds like an early altman.             -- davy@castle.edinburgh.ac.uk
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Last 10 lbs / Losing Control
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:53:55 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <86004@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:

>>Why? I'll tell you precisely why...because it *does*  
>>"make sense at 22"  (I'm 20).  I happen to think that
>>losing 10, 20, or 30 pounds would make me the happiest 
>>girl on the planet, and that would in turn change a lot
>>and i mean a *lot*, maybe just about everything, for the
>>better, including my self-esteem, disposition, motivation, 
>>and yes, grades and the way people interact with me.  Does
>>any of this make sense?  I just reread this and it may seem
>
>When I was 22 -- well, more like 24 -- I thought that, too.  I
>had a lot more to lose than you do.  I lost them, more than 100 of
>them, and I looked really good.  Funny thing, though ... men
>didn't suddenly pop out of the woodwork to sweep me away.  My self-
>esteem still rested on whether or not I was at my goal weight that day,
>that hour, that minute.  I still interacted the same way with people.
>I was still _me_.  

I agree that overestimating the results of a major weight loss
(surely not 10 lbs, though) is dangerous, and can even lead to
anorexia in some young women.  However, let's not underestimate
it either.  When I lost 160 lbs at the age of 25, I remarked
to one of my friends that "it isn't a panacea", and he said,
"yes, but it's probably the closest thing you can get to one,"
and he probably was right.  Being a morbidly obese person is
no joke.  It's sort of like being black in a white society.
Every morning you have to get up and deal with the discrimination
and abuse you are going to have to take that day because of
your physique.  And the self-abuse that you are going to inflict
on yourself because of your own lack of self-esteem.  Losing
the weight doesn't completely undo the psychological consequences
of having been a fat kid, but it can go a long way.  Being able
to wear shorts or go swimming and be pleased with the way you
look instead of worrying about making a spectacle of yourself
is a pleasure that is hard to describe to those who haven't
experienced it.  Similarly being able to play sports and hold
your own with "normal" people and many other activities previously
shunned that most young people enjoy.
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jhaas@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (J. Haas)
Subject: How come I don't lose weight?
Keywords: walk, walk, walk
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:55:46 GMT


I have a basic question: since May 92 I walk rather briskly
4-5 lunchhours per week (50 mins.) How come I haven't lost
weight. My eating habits have NOT changed. Other than walking
regularly, I play tennis approximately 5 hours per week, but
that I have always done. Any answers? I appreciate this group
very much, even though I don't post much. Curious in Waterloo,
Canada.
From: peggys@orca.wv.tek.com
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Iced Tea (was Re: Diet soft drinks)
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:41:02 GMT
Reply-To: peggys@orca.wv.tek.com
Organization: Network Displays Manufacturing, Tektronix,Inc

In article <1992Aug14.160400.2622@chpc.utexas.edu>,
jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd) writes:
> From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
> Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
> Subject: Iced Tea (was Re: Diet soft drinks)
> Date: 14 Aug 92 16:04:00 GMT
> Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
> 
> Any iced tea drinkers out there?  I've recently discovered the flavored
> teas (Bigelow, Celestial Seasonings, etc) like Mint and Wild Mountain 
> Blackberry.  You can either make a picture of all flavored tea, or you 
> can use one of the flavored bags along with the 3 or 4 other plain tea 
> bags you use to add a little "interest" to the tea.
> 
> Jan

I like Good Earth teas...lots of flavor

					Peggy

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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Bagel Spreads Wanted (Low Fat)
Date: 11 Aug 92 18:07:15 GMT
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Lauren  --

 "I'm FINALLY within 4 lbs of my target weight!!!!!!"  


BIG CONGRATULATIONS!!!  Keep up the GREAT work and positive attitude!


Tammy
From: John Werner <werner@soe.berkeley.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Diet soft drinks
Date: 14 Aug 1992 22:48:35 GMT
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In article <1992Aug13.232838.29345@doug.cae.wisc.edu> Joel Kolstad,
kolstad@cae.wisc.edu writes:
>Does anyone here have suggestions on which typical, store bought
diet beverages
>taste "the best"?

If you're a Coke fan, try caffeine-free Diet Coke.  It tastes (to me
anyway) more like real Coke than regular Diet Coke does.  I think it
might be a bit less over-sweetened.

--
John Werner                         werner@soe.berkeley.edu
UC Berkeley School of Education     510-642-9651
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Last 10 lbs / Losing Control
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:13:57 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <1992Aug15.060922.12956@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>
>>Being sensitive to it, I know that many people form stereotypical judgements
>>of obese people.  It happens a lot.  Let me tell you about just
>>one case.  Another professor and I visited a chemistry professor
>>whose office was very cluttered.  The chemist was obese.  After
>>we left, the other man said "ever notice how fat people have
>>sloppy offices?"  
>
>So, what did you say to this guy, Gordon?  I hope you were standing
>up for our honor. :-) :-)
>
Actually, I wasn't going to say anything (I think you've seen
*my* office, Steve), until he kept shooting his mouth off about
how the office correlated with a lack of concern about one's
personal appearance, etc., at which point I pulled out a picture
of me at 295 lbs (not my maximum) and showed it to him.  That
shut him up and he became very obsequious about how it must have
required so much will power, etc.  

>
>I dunno, when I see a very obese person, I generally think to myself:
>"Oh, a very obese person."  I mean, I don't think revulsion is the
>first thing which comes to most people's minds.  I suppose in the

Well, when I was in high school, one of my English teachers had
the bright idea that we would write essays criticizing each other.
Each day, another person was "it" and everyone wrote essays
about this person.  The essays would be anonymous (although obviously
it wouldn't be too hard to match handwriting, for those interested),
and at the end of the exercise, we'd all get a packet of essays on
us.  That way we would find out what our peers really thought of us.
Well, you can guess what was the main thing that kept coming up
over and over on the ones about me.  So I knew that enough of
them found it repellent.  It was quite tiresome hearing over and
over that if I would just be a little more careful about what I
ate, I would be "normal".  I suspect adults are more tolerant,
because most of them are not so slender themselves.

>Gad.  I know even very thin people who have love handles.
>Gordon, you're over 40 years old.  You're SUPPOSED to have
>love handles! :-)
>
I know, but knowing that doesn't help.  I never said it was
rational.  I'm sure if I had been a thin teenager being
30 lbs overweight wouldn't bother me a bit.  It certainly
doesn't seem to bother the average adult male.
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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Orange broccoli
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 00:02:34 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Orange Broccoli (fat-free)

Steamed broccoli ( 3-5 cups)
6-8 Tblsp non-fat yogurt
1 Tblspn fine grated orange peel
2 Tblsp orange juice

Toss all this together.
Eat.

works with cauliflower too.
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:51:46 GMT
Subject: Re: Throwing away the bathroom scale?
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

My weighin strategy is similar to Betty's.  I weigh in every day,
and (following the HMR program, etc, etc) I keep this info in
my Permanant Calorie Record (PCR).  The PCR also gets my
food calories (estimated from the calorie system we were taught),
my physical activity calories (as taught) along with the net
calorie figure and fruit and vegie servings.

Every week we total these numbers up and give them to HMR along with
the weekly weighin.  Of course, if you are actually following the
program, the weekly weighin numbers are not a surprise.  I weigh
in the morning, though fully dressed, and the HMR meeting is
in the evening, but there's a pretty steady corresponance between
my figures and theirs.

From personal preferance (I hate long diets), I maintain close control
over my weight.  My usual mode is that I'll be pretty steady, but
maybe every 4 months or so I'll need to lose 2 pounds.  If my weekly
averages are showing a trend, or if the daily weight is hitting
5 pounds above target, I'll start preparing to diet.  (I make sure
that the lower calorie alternative foods are in place [like
Fiber One cereal] and that the higher calorie foods are gone.  This
combination makes life a little easier.  I *can* ignore the goodies
in the freezer, but it's easier when they are safely in the grocery
store...)

The bottom line is do whatever works.  On the fast, we were told not
to weigh in every day.  On maintenance, we are encouraged to do so.
I like the steady feedback.

Pete Brooks
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jhaas@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (J. Haas)
Subject: Re: Exercise calorie values
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:28:03 GMT

In article <63620009@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) writes:
> For what it's worth, here are some of the physical activity numbers
> 
> 
> stuff deleted
> stationaryf biking and (I'm told) swimming.
> 
> Housework 100 cal/hour
> Shopping (Mall crusing) 100/hour
> Gardening 150/hour (assumes bending and stooping)
> Walking 100 cal/mile  Tends to be 300/hour
> Running 100 cal/mile (sorry, runners)  Tends to be 700/hour
> Bicycling, 3 speed or mountain bike 33.333 cal/mile
> Bicycling, 10 speed 25 cal/mile  (Note that these numbers seem to assume
> travel on the flats.  I don't have numbers for hill climbing, yet)
> Aerobics 300 cal/hour
> Low intensity stationary bike 300/hour *
> Racquetball 300 cal/hour
> Digging/shoveling 350/hour
> Cross-country skiing, flat terrain, 2.5 mph  350/hour
> Tennis (competetive singles) 400/hour
> Swimming 400-600/mile * not scaled
> High intensity stationary bike 650/hour *
> Stair climing 1050/hour.  Better number is 1 calorie/5 steps.
> 
> * Not scaled by weight factor.  Whether this is good or bad depends on
> your viewpoint.
> 
> My recommendation is to use these numbers as a good first approximation.
> I used the walking numbers for about 18 months and found them quite good
> for me.  The bicycling numbers seem to be low for the type of terrain that
> I use (I have some serious hills that I climb on weekends), but are
> otherwise good on the flats.  
> 
> Hope these numbers are of use.
> 
> Pete Brooks


Thank, Pete, for providing us with so much valuable info. It looks
like the 50mins per lunchhour walker needs to walk another 50 mins
at night, "trim the fat" a bit more, and do lots of housework (just
kidding!). Thanks - Walking in Waterloo, Canada.J.
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: redding@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Lee Redding)
Subject: Re: Throwing away the bathroom scale?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:29:15 GMT

Just wanted to toss in my two cents...

I weigh myself when I go to the gym, which is every other day.  I think
it provides me with the discipline that I personally need to keep the
weight down.  I think if I knew I didn't have to face the scale, I'd
just slowly (or quickly ;) ) revert to The Old Ways.  I don't worry
about it if my weight inches up a bit one day as long as it's down the
next time or two.  

Lately, though, the scale at the gym has broken, so I'm on my own for a
while.  I think I slipped a little at first, but now I'm back in
control, without any meaningful damage in the meantime.  That is, I
think there hasn't been any meaningful damage, I'm not sure what I weigh
at the moment!  
 
--Lee

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mommaerts@medgen.waisman.wisc.edu
Subject: Zucchini(SP?) bread - nonfat
Organization: Waisman Center, University of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 12 AUG 92 09:55:26 CDT


O.K., this is my first post.. what a cool group! Last nite, I tried to take
advice of this group and try the substitutions on my Zucchini recipe.

It is tastey, but it is about an inch tall!! and weighs a ton! is this o.k.?

What I did was substitute 1 cup of vanilla nonfat yogurt for 2 eggs, and
used 1/2 cup of applesauce for 1/2 cup of oil.  also had flour, sugar, vanilla
baking powder/soda, tiny weeny salt and a bit of cinnamin.  I couldn't
remember the exact substitutions, so could someone let me know if this is
what it is supposed to look like?  (i realize that eggs make it rise)

I would like to try it again cuz I have MORE zucchini--- Also, does anyone
know how this might count for Weight Watchers people like myself?  I am think-
ing a bread or something??

Anyways-- Keep up the good work guys! Keep posting!!

--Sandi
From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Remotivation
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:00:03 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: lmc@duke.cs.duke.edu's message of 11 Aug 92 18:13:17 GMT


In article <713556796@hornet.cs.duke.edu> lmc@duke.cs.duke.edu (Lynn Mueller Canaday) writes:

   In article <11AUG199207225931@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov>, dowling@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Marie Dowling) writes:

   STUFF DELETED

   |> 
   |> Healthy eating is a foreign country to me, and I don't even know how 
   |> to approach it's borders. I thought speaking these thoughts out loud 

   STUFF DELETED

   |> Marie

   Marie,

   You have been a member of WW and have stayed on the program so you
   must know something about healthy eating.  I have found a good way
   to motivate yourself is to can the diet idea first!  Then start
   to exercise.  If you can get a good exercise program going the
   better eating seems to come with more exercise because exercise
   makes you feel better no matter what weight you are .  

Not only that...but after a while, you'll notice a real link between
what you eat, how you feel, and how you can perform while exercising.
If I eat junk, I feel terrible and I'm unable to perform at my maximum
while exercising.  Since I like the activities in my exercise program
very much, this is a big motivation to eat right.
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From: BETHR@MSU
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Eggs -- why not use fake ones?
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:54:44 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jennie+@cs.cmu.edu (Jennifer Kay)
Subject: Eggs -- why not use fake ones?
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 17:59:00 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon


I keep reading articles where people are trying to find substitutes
for eggs. Why not just use that frozen egg substitute.  Either
"scramblers" or 'egg beaters" (one of the two, I can't remember which)
has zero fat and zero cholesterol. And I think they're 99% real egg or
something.  I never keep real eggs in my fridge anymore, just these
things in the freezer. I always use them for baking, omlettes, etc.

-- Jennie
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: M21444@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: e: Diet soft drinks
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:18:42 GMT

 
I like Diet Dr. Pepper (much better that Diet Cherry Coke) and
Fresca.  It's a shame to drink Fresca out of the can, though.
They have it in the machine at work and I always want a tall
glass filled with ice and a quiet porch with a swing when I
drink it.  And of course I'd be dressed in white from head to
toe.
From: sasart@hornet.unx.sas.com (Annette Tharpe)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: How come I don't lose weight?
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:47:20 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasart@hornet.unx.sas.com


In article <MARY.92Aug14091010@martinique.Cayman.COM>, mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>
>In article <BsxIwz.ECv@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> jhaas@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (J. Haas) writes:
>
>   I have a basic question: since May 92 I walk rather briskly
>   4-5 lunchhours per week (50 mins.) How come I haven't lost
>   weight. My eating habits have NOT changed. 
>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>The conventional wisdom seems to be that, if you're a sedentary person
>with unhealthy eating habits, you must start an exercise program AND 
>change your eating habits in order to lose weight (that is, in order
>to do it in a safe and healthy manner).  So you need to look at both.
>You say your eating habits haven't changed, but you don't say what they
>are.  If they're like mine used to be (cheese steak for lunch, WOOF!), 
>I think you could probably exercise until you dropped without a whole
>lot of results.  

I agree!  Here is how it is for me:

  [exercise]   +   [watch my diet]   =   [fat/weight loss]  +  [good health]

  [exercise]                         =   [maintain weight]  +  [good health]

                   [watch my diet]   =   [maintain weight]

                   [do neither]      =   [weight gain!!]

By "diet" I don't mean "diet plan", I mean that I watch my fat intake, and
try to restrict simple carbohydrates (sugar).  Also, depending on how much fat 
is left to loose, I might not necessarily experience much weight loss while 
exercising and watching my diet.  That is a sign of increased muscle mass.  
I can always tell since I can feel the extra muscle in my legs and arms.

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