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From: derry@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John Derry)
Subject: Re: more about ham legends
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:30:15 GMT


In article <1992Sep9.183350.5311@intelhf.hf.intel.com> zardoz@rx-db  
(zardoz@rx-db.hf.intel.com) writes:
> In article <1992Sep8.225259.19680@ryn.mro4.dec.com>  
pierson@empror.enet.dec.com (dave pierson) writes:
> >
> >	About the batteries.  I tend to agree with the "its nonsense"  
school,
> >	except that sometimes, there's a grain of truth.  One (tho  
incapable of
> >	draining a battery in 36 hours...) goes thusly:
> >		The concrete floor is COOLER than the air.  Thus the  
bottom of
> >		the battery is COOLER.  The voltage of a battery depends  
on the
> >		TEMPERATURE.  This means (maybe) a difference in voltage  
between
> >		the top and bottom of each cell.  Leading to circulating
> >		currents.  And discharge.
> >
> >	The wood rack prevents this by thermal insulation.  Likewise, an  
auto
> >	battery stays fairly isothermal.
> >
> Finally a posting with common sense.  Practical experience has taught me  
to
> not only keep batteries off of cold floors but to take them all inside
> where its warm during winter.  In the Northwest you can leave your  
batteries
> on concrete or anywhere else except underwater all summer long with no  
ill
> effect but if you leave them outside or one cold surfaces during WINTER,
> you should not be surprised to find a sulphated, NO-Good battery come
> spring.  Concrete or cement has a high specific heat value meaning it is
> slow to change temperature compared to ambient.  In winter these  
surfaces
> remain colder all day than surrounding air temps due to thermal  
retention
> and contact with the cold, cold ground.
> One poster mentioned a comparison between discharge rates of a battery
> on concrete and one next to it on wood.  There was no difference but I
> did note that he also mentioned performing this at a gas station where
> he had a summer job.  Once again, summer doesn't count.  Neither does
> Georgia or southern CA I would hazard to guess.
===============================
You may be onto something.  This rediculous myth undoubtedly had a start  
somewhere where it may have applied.  Like the Loch Ness monster, it's now  
become "common knowledge" whatever that means.   ---Jack, K9CUN
================================ 
> My next posting will be about how to match a 30-Ohm antenna to a 50-Ohm
> transmitter using odd lengths of coax.
======================================================================
Good!  This is well covered in the Handbook and the Antenna manual.  I  
have a program for my HP-48SX calculator which makes it easy.  

tnx es 73 de Jack, K9CUN
======================================================================
> 
> WA7LDV 
> -- 
> Fan mail may be sent to:                 | 
> zardoz@rx-db.hf.intel.com                | 
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: wpns@miki.pictel.com (Willie Smith)
Subject: Re: PL-259s on 9913 Coax
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:39:04 GMT

In article <ccHTqB1w164w@pillock.moron.vware.mn.org> stevej@pillock.moron.vware.mn.org (Steven Jarosh, KA0VYB) writes:
>William=E.=Newkirk%Pubs%GenAv.Mlb@ns14.cca.CR.rockwell.COM writes:
>> 	3)	Hard to assemble
>        Give me a break. Even a store-bought ham can figure this out.

Well, to get them put together right, you better check a manual or get
someone to show you.  Once you've done it it's trivial (just like a
BNC), but the first time it might not be easy..

Willie SMith
wpns@pictel.com
From: n2gj@phsbbs.princeton.nj.us (Gerry Jurrens)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Sexist Statement
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 18:29:31 EDT
Organization: Princeton High School, Princeton, New Jersey

Roberta and Sharon:  you are exactly why I think there may be hope for 
the human species.  As for the rest of you guys--LIGHTEN UP!
   
And cut out all this cussin' - you're embarrassing me ;-)

-----
Gerry Jurrens, Princeton High School BBS
DNS: n2gj@phsbbs.princeton.nj.us      UUCP: ...!princeton!phsbbs!n2gj
Disclaimer: Author bears full responsibility for this message.
From: tstepp@argon.berkeley.edu (Todd Stepp)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Help: hurricane Iniki
Date: 12 Sep 1992 20:18:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: argon.berkeley.edu

I hope someone out there can establish communication with Kauai.
Any help is appreciated.....


Dear Sirs,

My brother and his wife are residents of Kauai.  In the wake of the
hurricane,  my family has been unable to contact them and worry and
stress are high.  
His name is Charles Thomas Stepp Jr.  He is the Manager of the Safeway
bakery and his wife, Denise Stepp, is a Nurse  at Wilcox Hospital.

I ask that if there is some way to contact them,  please let me know.

If I have mailed this improperly,  I apologize.
Thank You very much,
Todd Stepp
From: broggi@prsun0in.cineca.IT (Alberto Broggi)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: HELP!
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:45:55 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu



	HI guys.

	Can anyone tell me where I can get any info about how to
	build (or buy if it's cheap enought) a Tx and a Rx for
	low freq. in order to transmit (and receive)
	from my serial port?
		

		Any help is VVVERY welcomed!	Thanks.

				Alberto
-- 
  Alberto Broggi    
  Dipartimento di Ingegneria dell'Informazione   phone: +39 (521) 580728
  Universita` degli Studi di Parma                 fax: +39 (521) 580723
  43100 Parma - Italy                    E-Mail broggi@prsun02.cineca.it
From: bill@prijat.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ORBITING FM REPEATER?
Date: 15 Sep 92 11:30:24 GMT
Reply-To: bill@platypus.uofs.edu
Organization: University of Scranton, Scranton, PA

How often is this satellite in this mode?  I got curious when I heard
about it and decided to give a listen.  I programmed the frequency into
the scanner and left it on for a few days.  Nothing!!  Is this mode only
active on rare occaisons??  Or is there actually no one using it??
Am I going to have to dig up some Satellite Locator Software just to try
and hear this thing??

bill    KB3YV

-- 

     Bill Gunshannon          |        If this statement wasn't here,
     bill@platypus.uofs.edu   |  This space would be left intentionally blank
     bill@tuatara.uofs.edu    |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: lapin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Gregory Lapin)
Subject: Re: batteries on concrete
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:55:25 GMT

In article <607@bongo.UUCP> julian@bongo.info.com (Julian Macassey) writes:
>
>	Craig Shergold is a seven year old boy dying from an incurable
>brain tumour. 
>	
>	Craig, who lives in England. would like to see his name in the
>Guinness book of Records before he dies.  Rather vthan collect QSL
>cards or post cards, he wouldlike a whole new category. He is collecting 
>car batteries that died by accidentally being placed on concrete. If you 
>have a car battery that died from being placed on concrete, please mail 
>it to Craig.
>
>	Help support a dying boy's wish. Mail those dead batteries now
>-- 
>Julian Macassey, julian@bongo.info.com  N6ARE@WA6FWI.#SOCAL.CA.USA.NA
>742 1/2 North Hayworth Avenue Hollywood CA 90046-7142 voice (213) 653-4495

Pretty tasteless, Macassey.

Greg Lapin, KD9AZ
Assistant Professor of _Neurology_
_Brain Tumor_ Research Laboratory
Northwestern University
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: bob@ultra.com (Bob Beach)
Subject: How far does 4 watts (CB) go?
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 20:19:37 GMT

I recently purchased two hand held CB transceivers. They are advertised
to put out 4w of signal and have ~4-5 center loaded antennas. My question
is how far should I expect to be able to communicate using these
units? I am assuming a typical  flat suburban environment with both
units at ground level. In my trials so far I found less than 1/2 mile 
range. Is this reasonable or not?

Also, what could I do to improve the situation. Would a car mounted
antenna help much (they have an outlet for an external antenna)? 

thanks,

bob beach
ultra network technologies
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: batteries on concrete
Date: 10 Sep 1992 19:43:44 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1992Sep10.155525.9923@news.acns.nwu.edu> lapin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Gregory Lapin) writes:
>In article <607@bongo.UUCP> julian@bongo.info.com (Julian Macassey) writes:
>>	Help support a dying boy's wish. Mail those dead batteries now
>Pretty tasteless, Macassey.

Those of you with weak hearts, better get out your nitroglycerine
tablets...I'm about to defend Julian Macassey.

Julian was not making fun of people with brain tumors. He was making fun of
the Craig Shergold Record-Setting Attempt That Would Not Die. This bogosity
keeps popping up in various places on the net, despite repeated debunkings
just about everywhere it appears. It's getting well past the point of a
cliche. I thought Julian's post was funny.

For the record: Craig Shergold was cured several years ago, and doesn't want
ANYTHING mailed to him! I have a message saved in my mailbox about what REALLY
happened, and sources where the cure may be independently verified.
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
 "Keep in mind that Amateur Radio As We Know It Today will cease to exist
            at midnight tonight." -- Dave Newkirk, WJ1Z
From: MGB@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Alinco DJ-580T
Date: 8 Sep 92 01:26:29 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

Having just received my Tech Plus, I went to Ham Radio Outlet in Oakland
to purchase the DJ-580T that I had heard so much about.  Their price was
399.99 and credit card in hand I told the sales man, Mr. Mac Myovich
(K6KAP), I want that one...  He said that it was an excellent choice,
he had one himself, and that it was on sale too.  Since the "special"
price of $399.99 had been on there for some time, I remaked that the
"sale" had been going on for some time.  No, he replied, it is really
on sale... how about $364.95...  Needless to say, I am not the owner
of the DJ-580T, but also the speaker/mike an extra battery, an upgraded
antenna, and the soft (but overpriced) case.

It's so nice to find a place where they tell you about a sale price,
after you have said.. "That One, that's the one I'm gonna buy".

So thanks Mr. Myovich and Ham Radio Outlet. I'll be back to spend more
money on toys, especially after Uncle Charlie at the FCC sends me my
call sign.
From: sysrick@orion.spd.louisville.edu (Rick McTeague)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: batteries on concrete
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:51:56 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In <01GOJBXD451S9I44NI@ROSEVC.Rose-Hulman.Edu> DERRY@ROSEVC.Rose-Hulman.EDU writes:

>Finally... No one has ever been able to explain why setting a battery on
>concrete is a special situation.  Those who believe in these wild
>OLD WIVES' TALES should come up with some reason using existing laws
>of physics.

The _only_ thing I can think of is that if any battery acid leaks out it will
damage the concrete floor. We have a spot in our garage where my Dad had a
boat battery sitting for a couple of months.

Rick
-- 

Rick McTeague
Electrical Engineering Department, Speed Scientific School
University of Louisville, Louisville, KY 40292
(502) 588-7020

Internet: sysrick@starbase.spd.louisville.edu

Disclaimer: I'm a stand-up comedian; if anyone takes me seriously, I'm
            doing something wrong!
From: urbina@novax.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: What's the difference....?
Date: 12 Sep 92 01:46:21 GMT



What's the difference between spread spectrum and frequency hopping ?
Also, what is meant by "BURST" transmission ?

Any other brief descriptions of Interception Countermeasures now being used
would be appreciated.

Thanx.
Guy

Urbina@Novax.llnl.gov

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: snh1@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Sanjay Hiranandani)
Subject: Ham Radio Club Meeting
Summary: CARC meeting Wednesday Sept. 9
Keywords: cornell amateur radio club meeting
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Distribution: cu
Date:  5 Sep 92 15:13:36 GMT

	The next meeting of the Cornell Amateur Radio Club will be
held on Wednesday September 9, at the club room in 401 Barton Hall,
in the North tower of Barton Hall.
	Hams, prospective hams, and anyone just curious, are all 
welcome! Contact me at 257-3789 or snh1@crux2.cit.cornell.edu
for more info. You could also probably find someone on the 146.61/01
repeater who could provide more info.

-Sanjay  N2MRZ
President - Cornell Amateur Radio Club
From: kj9u@kj9u.ampr.ORG
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: packet mail into Hawaii
Date: 13 Sep 1992 18:34:38 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

Please do NOT send mail to NH6HF.HI.USA.OC, use instead KH6GPI.HI.USA.OC.

NH6HF is not a full-service PBBS, and the links to Kauai are already 
clogged anyway.

We expect it to be several days before any incoming Health and Welfare
traffic gets handled.  Outgoing H&W is being handled first, as is
emergency disaster communications.

Aloha,
  John
From: George_Lin@mindlink.bc.ca (George Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Kenwood TH78A Charging HELP!
Date: 10 Sep 92 00:44:56 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> john s roberts writes:
> 
> So I have the ability to charge my radio in the car or at home?  Does the
> battery charge when I operate the radio with either power supply attached?
> In the car I use the radio while the 12v adapter is attached and at home
> sometimes I listen with the BC-14 charger attached.  Am I charging the
> battery at the same time?  Is this okay?
> 


The battery should still charge when you use your radio in the car.

The adapter puts out 75mA.  The radio draws 120mA when receiving (battery
saving mode off).  Thus your battery pack will still discharge (but at a slower
rate).


--

 -------------------------------------------
| George Lin                  | 145.270 MHz |
| George_Lin@mindlink.bc.ca   |   VE7FKU    |
 -------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: uri@watson.ibm.com (Uri Blumenthal)
Subject: Re: Iso-Loop info?
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:43:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: uri@watson.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: Friendly Camouflage Creators

In article <1992Sep11.131143.26657@e2big.mko.dec.com>, johnson@swings.enet.dec.com (Dennis M. Johnson) writes:
> >I haven't heard of *vertical* dipoles on HF (where IsoLoop
> 
> Absolutely, on 20 M on up. In certain situations it solves some space problems
> gets the signal up in the air, and no radials. 

Well, 20 M band should mean roughly 10 M of wire. For 10 M band you'd need 
5 M wire... 

> If you own your own home and
> have space, fine. If you need a compromise ant then a vert 
> dipole MIGHT be an answer.
	[If that's the answer - what was the question? :-]

I can't see how you would be able to bring up 10 meters on wire (protecting
the lower end so that no animal or human can touch it), being at the same
time unable to put an inverted-V... Even 5 meters... Am I missing
something?

Regards,
Uri.
------------
<Disclaimer>
From: lradclub@ul.ie
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Yaesu FT225RD
Date: 6 Sep 92 18:16:17 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

Hello,
	FOR SALE FT-225RD 
MULTIMODE 2 METRE TRANSCEIVER 25 WATT OUTPUT
MINT CONDITION, ANY OFFERS
THANK YOU
de EI2GT Dermot
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: rice@ttd.teradyne.com
Subject: Re: Emergency communications in South Florida...
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Organization: Teradyne Inc., Telecommunications Division
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 13:15:30 GMT

In article <10545@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>, nall@sun8.scri.fsu.edu (John Nall) writes:
> It is interesting (and distressing) to note that *none* of the
> news broadcasts I have seen, nor any of the newspapers that I
> have read, have made any mention whatsoever of hams being involved
> in emergency communications in the hurricane-hit area of Miami.
> 
> On the other hand, they have emphasized several times that there
> is (or was, at any rate) a real problem with communicating with
> some of the outlying areas.  That there was food, water, etc.,
> available at shelters, but no way to let people know about it.
> 
> Three possibilities occur to me:
> 
> (1)	The hams down there all had their own problems, and
> 	couldn't stop to do emergency communications (but why
> 	didn't hams from the outside come in?)
> 
> (2) There was plenty of ham involvement, but it just did
> 	not get publicized.  (Guys too busy to stop and do
> 	P/R work).
> 
> (3) Everyone assumed that modern technology (cellular
> 	phones, etc.) made it unnecessary to provide for such
> 	arcane methods of communication.  (Wonder how many of
> 	the cellular-transmission towers are still standing??)
> 

or
  (4) The Hams down there are too busy providing communications to
        'blow their own horn' to the press.. (Usual Case)

---

   John Rice -  K9IJ         |  "Did I say that ?" I must have, but It was    
   rice@ttd.teradyne.com     |   MY opinion only, no one else's...Especially  
   (708)-940-9000 - (work)   |   Not my Employer's.... Licensed since 1959
   (708)-438-7011 - (home)   |   Ex: K8YZR, KH6GHC, WB9CSP, W9MMB, WA1TXV
From: hugh@ipc11.gvl.unisys.com (Hugh Pepper)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 3 Kenwood questions
Keywords: like my 850 alot
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:11:55 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Paramax Systems, Ivyland, PA

In article <20259@drutx.ATT.COM> paul@drutx.ATT.COM (AndersonPE) writes:
>I don't know why so many 850's would be on the market used...but I can
>tell you that the only problem that I've had with my 850 was a bad 
>mic that they (Kenwood) replaced right away no questions asked. Also
>I have 2 other ham friends here in Denver that have also bought 850's
>neither have had any trouble and both like the 850 very much. 
>
>No...I don't work for Kenwood...just one of their happy customers.
>
>Paul Anderson WB0ZRD at AT&T Bell Labs in Denver.

I also can say that I am very pleased with the TS-850S I purchased last March.
It has turned out to be the greatest HF Rig I have ever owned! If you get a
chance, you should find a fellow ham in your area that has a TS-850, and ask if
you can check his radio out.  Most hams just love the chance to show off their
equipment!!  

Even better, would be a side to side comparison, maybe at a local Ham radio
store. (although these establishments are difficult at best to find in some
parts of this country.)

Hugh - KE3BI

hugh@ivy.unisys.com


------------------------------------------
Hugh M. Pepper            |email: Hugh@ivy.unisys.com
KE3BI ('B`ad 'I`nfluence) |ph:	  215-443-7500
Paramax Systems -         |Ivyland PA, 18974
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: CW Speed Contests?
Date: 14 Sep 92 05:18:31 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


Was talking with a friend tonight about the late Ted McElroy who won
his first code competition in 1922 with 56 WPM and "won the last
official competition at Asheville, North Carolina with an incredible
copy of 77 words per minute.  His record still stands unchallenged
today." (from book Keys, Keys, Keys by Dave Ingram).  Well of
course it's unchallenged if that was the last contest; but I got
to wondering about the history of these contests, who put them on,
why they quit having them, etc.
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an Art."
        Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
From: jcarroll@ferris.cray.com (Jeff Carroll)
Subject: Ontario TVDX (was: Re: Watching Aurora/TV)
Originator: jcarroll@ferris
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:59:27 CDT


Please describe the weather conditions when you report TV DX; UHF
propagation can be highly dependent on meteorological conditions.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: venkat@nsc.nsc.com (Venkataraman_Iyer_V)
Subject: KD6NMQ is grateful
Organization: National Semiconductor, Santa Clara
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:54:36 GMT

I just got my Novice License in the mail yesterday. I'm now the proud owner
of an American Novice Class License. KD6NMQ. I'd like to thank some people
on the network (that's why I'm posting it) who've been a great help to me.
Paul Schleck KD3FU and Luck Hurder KY1T who've answered all sorts of
intelligent (and not so intelligent :-) questions on mail and have provided
me encouragement. I'd also thank Jim Jaffe (whose call I forget) for his
help. Kudos to all those people maintaining those FAQs and Question Pools.
I made it just because of them. Thanks a lot OMs.

73s


Venkat (KD6NMQ and VU2VVV :-)
Xref: sparky rec.radio.amateur.misc:15389 rec.radio.swap:2402
From: salnick@dejavu.spk.wa.us (There is no substitute for displacement...)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.swap
Subject: Re:  Hamfest Bogus Check Alert
Date: 12 Sep 92 13:47:54 GMT
Organization: Not Organized

Sure seems to be a lot of classic 'defenders of the innocent' here on 
this subject.  As usual, they have missed the main point:  The original 
post was EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE...  that is, DATA.  Theoretical comments 
about 'discrimination' against holders of low check numbers, for instance 
are not relavent nor interesting - they are red herrings.

--
RW Salnick, Spokane,WA  |  Home: salnick@dejavu.spk.wa.us
  Amiga 1000, WB 1.3    |  Work: mfgsys!salnick@kaiser.spk.wa.us
      WA9BVE            |
From: dwilson@s850.mwc.EDU (David L. Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: PL Tones
Date: 9 Sep 1992 14:17:27 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

The FCC neither assigns nor keeps records of PL tones of any licensee.
FCC licensees are free to use whatever PL tones that they desire.
When there are several users of a frequency, it is up to them to
coordinate PL tone usage.
--
David L. Wilson                 dwilson@s850.mwc.edu
Department of Mathematics       Amateur: AC4IU (ex-KD4ASW/KO4EQ)
Mary Washington College         Home Phone:    (703)898-1084
Fredericksburg, VA  22401       Office Phone:  (703)899-4744
From: oo7@ut-emx.uucp (Derek Wills)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: batteries
Keywords: and eggs
Date: 12 Sep 92 17:24:19 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas

julian@bongo.UUCP (Julian Macassey) pleads:
	
	>>Craig, who lives in England. would like to see his name in the
>>Guinness book of Records before he dies.  Rather than collect QSL
>>cards or post cards, he would like a whole new category. He is collecting 
>>car batteries that died by accidentally being placed on concrete. If you 
>>have a car battery that died from being placed on concrete, please mail 
>>it to Craig.

	>>Help support a dying boy's wish. Mail those dead batteries now

And since the equinox is approaching, don't forget to send a few eggs as 
well - as is well known, you can balance them on end only at this time of 
year.  Especially rotten ones.

(Please, no puns involving battery hens)


Derek Wills (AA5BT, G3NMX)
Department of Astronomy, University of Texas, 
Austin TX 78712.  (512-471-1392)
oo7@astro.as.utexas.edu 
oo7@emx.utexas.edu
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