HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gnat@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Nathan Torkington)
Subject: Re: Hi Jane..
Organization: Contract to CSC, Victoria Uni, Wellington, New Zealand
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 10:03:12 GMT
	<By3x4I.6HJ@comp.vuw.ac.nz>

thetroll@rata.vuw.ac.nz (The Troll) writes:

> [quotes]
> [quotes]
> [quotes]
> [quotes]

Good God, man!  Have you *nothing* original to say? :-)

Nat.
(besides, I resent the implication that my words can be replaced by
other words, without my consent.  If I post something to the net, then
my post is copyrighted automatically, by virtue of being published.
As such, if you summarise, you are producing a derived work which has
the potential to deprive me of income, should I ever republish my
words (which I have reserved the right to do, by virtue of the
copyright).  As such, I have every right to sue you for recompense (my
words are now unable to be republished for profit, as you have
provided your own version which I cannot charge for))

(and, indeed, this raises interesting questions.  By summarising, you
are (in effect) putting words into my mouth.  I may well argue that,
owing to the subjective nature of language interpretation and
production, what I meant wasn't at all what you wrote, and as such you
are libelling me by posting such blatantly false interpretations of my
words.  Indeed, if you take the creative spark, the light of personal
genius from my words that mark them as truly mine, you are taking away
the very essence that makes them mine, and I ought to be able to not
only sue you for theft, but also for making me appear noncreative
garbage).
Newsgroups: nz.general,nz.netstatus,vuw.general
From: Gavin.Flower@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Gavin Flower)
Subject: Re: VUW Library System Upgrade
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:59:51 GMT

In article <Bxtsx8.42K@comp.vuw.ac.nz> andy@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Bond) writes:
>In article <199211160414.AA16145@rata.vuw.ac.nz> Tony.Martindale@vuw.ac.nz (Tony Martindale) writes:
[...]
>>  The current Library System hardware, an Ultimate 3040, is being
>>upgraded to an Ultimate 7020 which will provide a noticeable
>>performance improvement and more capacity.
>
>Is a 7020 just a bigger dinosaur than the 3040 or will it provide more
>than simple performance improvements?  Can we look forward to email
>overdue and reservation reminders?  Let's hope the 7020 has more than
>a serial connection to the outside world so can finally lunge into the
>80's with avengance.

Yes it seemed just plain daft that I had to spend ten minutes every
day to walk to the library, or much longer if I was at home, or phone
up and disturb a librarian, when I could have been notified by email
when a book was ready for me.

It also seems daft to be able to look up the availablity of a book in
the catalogue, but have to not only physically go to the library to
reserve it but *manually* transcribe information fron the screen onto
paper, especially when part of this then re-entered into the computer
system!  I'm quite happy to ask a librarian for help, but to ask them
to do something boring and unecessary, like reserve the book by phone,
seems unfair. 

I hope the network availability of library functions will be improved,
comp301 project?  :-)


Gavin

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Newsgroups: nz.general,nz.netstatus,vuw.general
From: tony@rata.vuw.ac.nz (Tony Martindale)
Subject: Re: VUW Library System Upgrade
Organization: C.S.C., Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand
Keywords: library reservists
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:23:13 GMT
Distribution: world 
Followup-To: vuw.general,nz.general

In article <Bxtx3s.A4J@comp.vuw.ac.nz> Gavin.Flower@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Gavin Flower) writes:
>In article <Bxtsx8.42K@comp.vuw.ac.nz> andy@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Bond) writes:

 [stuff deleted]

>>Is a 7020 just a bigger dinosaur than the 3040 or will it provide more
>>than simple performance improvements?  Can we look forward to email
>>overdue and reservation reminders?  Let's hope the 7020 has more than
>>a serial connection to the outside world so can finally lunge into the
>>80's with avengance.

 [stuff about email notification deleted]

>It also seems daft to be able to look up the availablity of a book in
>the catalogue, but have to not only physically go to the library to
>reserve it but *manually* transcribe information fron the screen onto
>paper, especially when part of this then re-entered into the computer
>system!  I'm quite happy to ask a librarian for help, but to ask them
>to do something boring and unecessary, like reserve the book by phone,
>seems unfair. 

 The software does have the ability to reserve books but it does have
some serious operational problems which other libraries using it have
experienced.  The feature is currently being improved by the
developers, hopefully it will be implemented here in the future.  In
the mean time the staff are there to serve.

>I hope the network availability of library functions will be improved,
>comp301 project?  :-)

 Sigh, technical feasibility is often not the issue, time and other
resources are.  How systems (I use "systems" in a wider sense than
just computers) operate and are administered by people is usually, in
my experience anyway, the greater challenge.  I did see the smiley.

 I agree that email notification etc, is a good thing and it would
improve the utilisation of the library's collection.  Again I
encourage you to direct such requests, comments, suggestions to the
Librarian and the Library Committee.  The Librarian can be contacted
via email, Vic.Elliott@vuw.ac.nz.

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Tony Martindale                    Computing Services Centre,
phone: +64 4 495 5051              Victoria University of Wellington,
fax:   +64 4 471 5386              P.O. Box 600, Wellington, NEW ZEALAND.
Newsgroups: nz.general,nz.netstatus,vuw.general
From: Tony.Martindale@vuw.ac.nz (Tony Martindale)
Subject: VUW Library System Upgrade - POSTPONED until next week
Organization: C.S.C., Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand
Summary: Dinosaur Delivery Delay
X-Mailer: mail-news 4.1
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:47:35 GMT


          Victoria University of Wellington Library System

 Major hardware upgrade POSTPONED until: Tuesday 1/12/92 - Thursday 3/12/92

  The current Library System hardware, an Ultimate 3040, is being
upgraded to an Ultimate 7020 which will provide a noticeable
performance improvement and more capacity.

  Due to unforeseen circumstances Ultimate Computer are unable to
deliver the Ultimate 7020 this week.  So the upgrade has been
rescheduled for next week.

  The interruptions to service are as follows:

  o  09:00 Tuesday 1/12/92 - 08:30 Wednesday 2/12/92

  Only the OPAC (Online Public Access Catalogue) will available.  All
library internal functions, circulation, cataloguing etc, will be
restricted while the system is backed up onto tape.

  o  08:30 Wednesday 2/12/92 - 12:00 Thursday 3/12/92

  All system functions unavailable while new hardware and cabling is
installed, network equipment reconfigured, the system restored from
tape and an operating system upgrade performed.

  Your patience and cooperation during this disruption is appreciated.


Tony Martindale                    Computing Services Centre,
phone: +64 4 495 5051              Victoria University of Wellington,
fax:   +64 4 471 5386              P.O. Box 600, Wellington, NEW ZEALAND.



Newsgroups: nz.general,nz.netstatus,vuw.general
From: andy@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Bond)
Subject: Re: VUW Library System Upgrade
Organization: Distributed Systems Group, Comp Sci, Victoria University of Wellington
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:29:31 GMT

In article <199211160414.AA16145@rata.vuw.ac.nz> Tony.Martindale@vuw.ac.nz (Tony Martindale) writes:
>        Victoria University of Wellington Library System
>
>    Major hardware upgrade Tuesday 24/11/92 -  Thursday 26/11/92
>
>  The current Library System hardware, an Ultimate 3040, is being
>upgraded to an Ultimate 7020 which will provide a noticeable
>performance improvement and more capacity.

Is a 7020 just a bigger dinosaur than the 3040 or will it provide more
than simple performance improvements?  Can we look forward to email
overdue and reservation reminders?  Let's hope the 7020 has more than
a serial connection to the outside world so can finally lunge into the
80's with avengance.

Andy
Newsgroups: nz.general
From: lesley@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz (Lesley Walker)
Subject: Re: Hi Jane..
Organization: The Cave MegaBBS, Public Access Usenet, Wellington, NZ
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 04:12:32 GMT

thetroll@rata.vuw.ac.nz (The Troll) writes:
>
>Summarize What You are Following Up

It hurts me to say this, but I agree.

>[several pages of stuff about why]

On the other hand... you've just posted two or three times as much as Jon
Jon quoted, and it was equally as useless to the majority of us.

Why just say "Please cut down on the quoting"?  Or are you trying to make
a point by example?


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Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: e-mail to wgtn site on VITEL
From: claridge@wronz.org.nz
Date: 20 Nov 92 10:03:28 +1300

HI, 

I have a friend in Wellington (I'm in CHCH) who mails around his
company using the VITEL system. (They run PC's)  I have all info
re. his company, usercode/mailbox, etc.

I have internet links, can I get e-mail to/from him ?  What would
be the appropriate addresses, asuming he works for company CCC,
and his mailbox is MBXnnn. 

If you can't help directly, can someone point me at who would be
best to contact perhaps? 

Please reply via e-mail, I DO usually read this group, but I
expect to be unable to access NEWS for a couple weeks.

Thanks in advance, Robert

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Subject: Hi Jane..
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 23:26:56 GMT
Organization: The Z*NET Global News Gateway in Parnell New Zealand.

 Just a quick note to see if Jane is reading nz.general this morning.
 (Grin)..
 
 So how is the Nat this morning after two days of rest at the conference
 and a weekend off?

  
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Newsgroups: nz.general
From: andy@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Bond)
Subject: New Zealand PC prices
Organization: Gatewayed from mail to news at VUW, New Zealand
X-Mailer: mail-news 4.1
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:07:24 GMT

A friend in England asked me for some prices of computer equipment in
NZ (she has some UK prices).

I don't know what these are so am just repeating them as I got them:

IBM PS/1 (486)

Toshiba 1800 portable with 60mb hard disk 


Thanks for any help,
andy


Newsgroups: nz.general
From: thetroll@rata.vuw.ac.nz (The Troll)
Subject: Re: Hi Jane..
Organization: Computing Serv. Ctr, Victoria Uni., Wellington, New Zealand
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:55:12 GMT

In article <> lesley@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz (Lesley Walker) writes:
>thetroll@rata.vuw.ac.nz (The Troll) writes:
>>Summarize What You are Following Up

>It hurts me to say this, but I agree.
>>[several pages of stuff about why]

>On the other hand... you've just posted two or three times as much as Jon
>Jon quoted, and it was equally as useless to the majority of us.

That's a broad statement, did you mean it was useless to the majority of
people who post to nz.general? If so, I think I have to disagree. 

>Why just say "Please cut down on the quoting"?  Or are you trying to make
>a point by example?

I was trying to make the point that I shouldn't *need* to say cut down on
the quoting. If a poster has read the articles in news.announce.newusers
then they should know about sumerising and all the other polite things
that help make USENET function. 

And I've found it's no good saying "go and read the guidelines" because
people don't. So I thought it might just be useful to refresh reader's
memories of what *is* in the guidelines. 

If someone has gone to the effort of carefully explaining the issues
involved in USENET manners why should I rewrite it, why not use the
original explanation, the prose is better thna I could write. 

And the penteultimate reason was that if I say "don't quote so much" then
people can come back and say "so what, what do you know about it". Quoting
from the standard guidelines gives my comments a little more
substantiation.

And the very last reason was that it stopped me from writing an abusive
flame which I think we'll all agree was a good thing. 

Thanks for your comment.


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Domain: Alex.Heatley@vuw.ac.nz              Victoria University of Wellington
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: e-mail to wgtn site on VITEL
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 23:24:42 GMT
Organization: The Z*NET Global News Gateway in Parnell New Zealand.

claridge@wronz.org.nz writes:

> HI, 
> 
> I have a friend in Wellington (I'm in CHCH) who mails around his
> company using the VITEL system. (They run PC's)  I have all info
> re. his company, usercode/mailbox, etc.
 
 Vitel have a X400 mail system into the OZ Telecom X400 network. 
 You could use an internet/usent X400 gateway (but I do not have
 any addres for them).
 
 There is a firm here in Auckland who have written alot of the VITEL
 gateways (fax/telex/email) and I can pass your message onto them if
 you like..

  
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From: imd@otago.ac.nz
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Safer Sects?
Date: 19 Nov 92 10:48:39 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

Just an idle thought:

Will Nick Smith's private member's bill to provide protection against such 
movements as the "Exclusive Brethren" become known as the "Safer Sects Bill"?

Newsgroups: nz.general
From: privacy-request@comp.vuw.ac.nz (The ListMaster)
Subject: New mailing list - privacy
Organization: Gatewayed from mail to news at VUW, New Zealand
X-Mailer: mail-news 4.1
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:48:46 GMT

A new mailing list, privacy, has been created on comp.vuw.ac.nz

This list is about:

The PRIVACY Forum is a moderated digest for the discussion and analysis of
issues relating to the general topic of privacy (both personal and
collective) in the "information age" of the 1990's and beyond.  Topics
include a wide range of telecommunications, information/database collection
and sharing, and related issues, as pertains to the privacy concerns of
individuals, groups, businesses, government, and society at large.  The
manners in which both the legitimate and the controversial concerns of
business and government interact with privacy considerations are also topics
for the digest.  The PRIVACY Forum digest is supported in part by the ACM
(Association for Computing Machinery) Committee on Computers and Public
Policy.


This list is a fanout of the list <privacy@cv.vortex.com>

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Newsgroups: nz.general
From: thetroll@rata.vuw.ac.nz (The Troll)
Subject: Re: Hi Jane..
Organization: Computing Serv. Ctr, Victoria Uni., Wellington, New Zealand
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 07:36:18 GMT

In article <k38LuB2w165w@status.gen.nz> jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes:
after quoting gnat's entire article
>                            (BIG GRINS)

Summarize What You are Following Up

When you are following up someone's article, please summarize the parts of
the article to which you are responding.  This allows readers to
appreciate your comments rather than trying to remember what the original
article said.  It is also possible for your response to get to some sites
before the original article.

Summarization is best done by including appropriate quotes from the
original article.  Do not include the entire article since it will
irritate the people who have already seen it.  Even if you are responding
to the entire article, summarize only the major points you are discussing.
--- A Primer on How to Work With the USENET Community by Chuq Von Rospach 

Be considerate with your use of network resources.  Your individual
usage may not seem like much compared to the net as a whole, but in
aggregate, small savings in disk or CPU add up to a great deal.  For
instance, messages offering thanks, jibes, or congratulations will
only need to be seen by the interested parties -- send these by mail
rather than posting them. The same goes for simple questions, and
especially for any form of "me too" posting.
--- The Rules for posting to Usenet by Gene Spafford

Your Postings Reflect Upon You -- Be Proud of Them

Most people on USENET will know you only by what you say and how well you
say it.  They may someday be your co-workers or friends.  Take some time
to make sure each posting is something that will not embarrass you later.
Minimize your spelling errors and make sure that the article is easy to
read and understand.  Writing is an art and to do it well requires
practice.  Since much of how people judge you on the net is based on your
writing, such time is well spent.
--- A Primer on How to Work With the USENET Community by Chuq Von Rospach 


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Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: Hi Jane..
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 12:47:55 GMT
Organization: The Z*NET Global News Gateway in Parnell New Zealand.

gnat@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Nathan Torkington) writes:

> In article <LBcJuB5w165w@status.gen.nz> jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) write
> 
> > So how is the Nat this morning after two days of rest at the conference
> > and a weekend off?
> 
> Fine, thanks, though I had to cancel the trip to the conference -- my
> brain was captured by aliens, and I was taken to meet Elvis.  He is
> well, and sends his love to his faithful followers and promises that
> one day he will return and the faithful will be rewarded by receiving
> special invitations to his homecoming concert, in which he will gurgle
> his greatest hits and wobble around the stage undulating at the
> vaginally-gifted.
> 
> Tune in next week, when you'll hear Doctor Jon say:
> > It was just a joke, jeez, don't you people have any sense of
> > humour?  I guess that's what comes of sitting in your ivory
> > towers, swearing at each other all day.  And do you know how
> > much money I had to pay to receive your post?  I think it's
> > absolutely outrageous and should be banned.  Why don't they
> > bring back flogging for all those layabout useless academic
> > bastards?  Back in the good old days, we didn't need no
> > university education, and it didn't do us any harm.  KILL!
> > KILL!  KILL!
> 
> Nat.
> (I'm not employed to write this shit, I do it as a public service)

 
                            (BIG GRINS)
 


  
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Newsgroups: nz.general,nz.netstatus,vuw.general
From: Tony.Martindale@vuw.ac.nz (Tony Martindale)
Subject: VUW Library System Upgrade
Organization: C.S.C., Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand
Summary: Major outage during hardware and operating system upgrade
X-Mailer: mail-news 4.1
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:14:50 GMT


        Victoria University of Wellington Library System

    Major hardware upgrade Tuesday 24/11/92 -  Thursday 26/11/92

  The current Library System hardware, an Ultimate 3040, is being
upgraded to an Ultimate 7020 which will provide a noticeable
performance improvement and more capacity.

  The interruptions to service are as follows:

  o  09:00 Tuesday 24/11/92 - 08:30 Wednesday 25/11/92

  Only the OPAC (Online Public Access Catalogue) will available.  All
library internal functions, circulation, cataloguing etc, will be
restricted while system is backed up onto tape.

  o  08:30 Wednesday 25/11/92 - 12:00 Thursday 26/11/92

  All system functions unavailable while new hardware and cabling is
installed, network equipment reconfigured, the system restored from
tape and an operating system upgrade performed.

  Your patience and cooperation during these disruptions would be
appreciated.


Tony Martindale                    Computing Services Centre,
phone: +64 4 495 5051              Victoria University of Wellington,
fax:   +64 4 471 5386              P.O. Box 600, Wellington, NEW ZEALAND.


Newsgroups: nz.general
From: Andy.Linton@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Linton)
Subject: Re: VUW Library System Upgrade
Organization: Victoria University, PO Box 600, Wellington, NEW ZEALAND
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:51:17 GMT
Distribution: world 


In article <1992Nov20.161903.222@otago.ac.nz>,
	roger@otago.ac.nz (Roger Grauwmeijer) writes:
|> Hey! Ethernet wasn't even invented when these Honeywell dinosaurs were.

Well I'm not sure how you'd put a date on when the "Honeywell dinosaurs" were
invented but Ethernet dates from 1980. The original spec:

"The Ethernet, A Local Area Network: Data Link layer and Physical Layer
Specifications (Version 1.0)" Digital Equipment Corporation, Intel, Xerox. 1980.

That's at least 12 years ago - how long do some people need? Let's spell it out
for those who aren't sure - Local Area Networks have caught on.
Newsgroups: nz.general,nz.netstatus,vuw.general