From: Edward.Dunagin@f540.n226.z1.fidonet.org (Edward Dunagin)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: Evolution
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 13:11:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/540 - The Tele-Forum Netw, Columbus OH

Hello Dave Knapp. In a message to all concerning Bruce Hogan's message,
      you said in part.........................

DK>  One of the most striking differences between
DK>  "creation-scientists" and real scientists is the way they go
DK>  about presenting their cases.

         and...............

DK>     Just for the record, one can believe in Creation without being
DK>  a "creationist."  Most Christians (myself included) believe firmly
DK>  that God created the universe and everything in it.  I suppose
DK>  that technically makes them creationists.

         as well as................

DK>  However, the word "creationist" has come to mean someone who
DK>  believes that the universe was created less than 10,000 years
DK>  ago,

     I have long considered myself a "creationist" who accepts the
     fossil records that have been found over the years. If more are
     found, GOOD, and I hope it adds to our knowledge of the Earth and
     the Universe. If one attempts to prove the age of this Earth or
     this Universe by counting the begats in Scripture, then one is
     using Scripture for not what it was intended. The Bible is NOT a
     science textbook! It is however, God's additional revelation of
     Himself to Mankind. (He firstly reveals Himself through His
     creation.) Pun intended<g>

DK>  that there was a literal Noachim flood,

     This is highly debated from the archaeological evidence that we
     know of today. (who knows what evidence tommorrow will bring to
     this issue.)

DK>  and that Adam and Eve were not descended from other living
DK>  creatures.

     Again, Scripture does not speak to this allegation. Scriptue does
     say that "the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground." What
     it does not say is how God changed the "dust" into man. Was it
     immediate? Was it instantaneous? Were there intermediate
     stages? I contend that Scripture does not teach this! Scripture
     DOES teach that God created man, but the process is not described.

     It seems to me, that for the Evolutionist to examine the fossil
     record and then "jump" to the conclusion that this all started (The
     Big Bang) as an accident, almost requires as much faith as faith
     in God! I say almost, for the indwelling faith in God, as taught in
     Scripture, takes the almighty power of The Holy Spirit.

     How then can I ever hope to convince an unbeliever to have faith in
     God through scientific evidence? Never! I do not have that power.
     But, I do have the power of love (in Greek it's AGAPE) that
     permits me to reveal God's love to the unbeliver that leads to
     saving faith. "Just let me tell you of my Jesus." That is all I
     ask. <BG>

DK>  1.)  Bruce resorts to an argument mode called "ad hominem," which
DK>  is Latin for "to the man."  That is, he attempts to discredit the
DK>  theory of evolution by attacking those who believe in it.

BH   > You may also consider that the Creation model is not rejected
BH   > many because it doesn't fit the observable facts, but rather
BH   > because it requires a personal Creator, which is not acceptable
BH   > to the Humanism that is the order of the day in our
BH   > educational system.

DK>    You see, here he manages to insinuate that those who reject a
DK>  young Earth do so not because they are honest scientists, but
DK>  because they don't want to believe in God.  This kind of argument
DK>  is insulting, false, and not scientific.

     But Scripture teaches that Mankind cannot believe in God through
     his own power. Man is blind to God! I agree with Bruce only to
     that point. I say that Man is blind and cannot come (believe or
     know) to God. Is that insulting, false, and not scientific? If you
     say "yea", then I'm sorry but that is not my intent.

My credentials: Just a servant the loves The Lord.....


Peace......................................Ed

 * SLMR 2.1a #1852 * If you accept the best, you often get it.



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