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From: rob@skylinx.sa.com (Rob Cartaino)
Subject: BBS's as a Business
Organization: Scientific Atlanta, Inc.
Distribution: us
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 15:16:14 GMT


I am doing a little research on "BBS's as a Business" and I would
very much appreciate hearing from you if you are are either:

	1. currently running a pay-BBS system

	2. currently running a non-pay system but would consider going
	   to a pay-membership format

	3. are not running a BBS but would like to start a pay-BBS.

I am particular interrested in talking about pay-membership and
billing structure.  E-mail is okay.

The kind of information I'd like to get is:

	- A brief description of the board: features, #lines,
	  membership advantages, etc

	- The number of paying members

	- Some feeling for the growth rate of the BBS

	- Member utilization:
		- average calls/day
		- hours/user/week (or month)
		- other statistics you keep or care to estimate

	- Your billing structure: 
		per month, per hour, per downloaded file, etc.

	- How you handle billing
		- method(s) of payment
		- support personnel needed

Now this is a tough one.  Unless you keep good books, this could be
difficult to answer.  Any guestimate would be appreciated:

	- The percentage of gross collectibles that goes towards
	  the collection of revenue: include postage, time (don't
	  forget your time), outside labor, UNCOLLECTIBLES(!), credit
	  card merchant fees/percentages, etc.

Answers to any or all of the above questions (plus anything you could
add) would be greatly appreciated.


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rob@skylinx.sa.com
From: peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Coherent?
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 08:04:54 GMT
Organization: Global Village 1

larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

>elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley) writes:

>>        1.  Coherent comes with a compiler, in the box.  If you want one for
>>            Linux, you've got to go find GCC somewhere on the net (or d/l it
>>            from a BBS).  The Linux docs are not clear at all as how to go

>according to the fidonet unix conferences, linux comes with gcc on
>a set of disks all set to run after installation

That depends. If you get the MCC Interim release, then yes. If you want the
absolute latest version of GCC, then you have to hunt it down on some FTP site.
It may or may not be trivial to install, etc. The MCC Interim release is that
it is easy to install and you can't forget something important. Partitioning is
the most difficult thing. The disadvantage however is that the latest MCC
Interim release is always a few weeks behind (that is, not the latest kernel,
GCC, utilities, etc.).

Greetings,
Peter Busser
From: hermit@cats.UCSC.EDU (William R. Ward)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: New BBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:12:51
Organization: Computing and Telecommunications Services, UCSC
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu
In-reply-to: spm@dar.csiro.au's message of 25 Sep 92 05:12:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.051216.13995@aurora.dar.csiro.au> spm@dar.csiro.au (McEWAN Shane) writes:
|Yes, yet another internet BBS has opened it's doors!
|
|SkynetBBS, running DOC v1.3 (the same as ISCABBS), can be found at
|
|hpx5.aid.no (128.39.145.225) login: skynet
|
|Currently there is only the message system with about 50 rooms and more
|being created all the time! We have lots of rooms looking for a roomaide so
|if you're feeling helpful why not drop us a line?
|
|Hope to see you there!

I tried calling this, but was dismayed when I found out that they
require real names!

Therefore, I strongly advise everyone to not use Skynet.
--
William R Ward                       Bay View Software
VoiceMail: +1 (408) 479-4072         Internet:  hermit@cats.ucsc.edu
SnailMail: 1803 Mission St. #339     BITNet:    hermit@cats.bitnet
           Santa Cruz CA 95060 USA
From: festeve@sdrc.COM (Steve Saunders)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Denver BBS list wanted
Date: 28 Sep 92 02:12:43 GMT
Organization: SDRC, Cincinnati
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

I am looking for a list of BBS numbers for the Denver area.

Thanks
Steven Saunders 
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: bjpocock@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Beastor the Mad)
Subject: HELP!!! HELP!!! Anyone with SupraFax v32bis HELP ME!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:42:16 GMT

I just bought a v.32bis modem.  I've connected to other BBS's via telix
just fine at 19200 bps.  However, no one can call my BBS and log on.
I run RA 1.11 pro... with a BNU.SYS /L:1=19200 fossil driver loaded. IN
Modem options I have autoanswer on, locked baud, 19200 max speed.  I use
the following INIT1 STRING: AT &F2 %G0 M0|.

The BBS loads fine, when someone connects I get connected at 19200 (doesn't
matter what baud rate the user is using) and it doesn't kick in.  The user
gets nothing at all on his screen.

AHHH... am I doing something wrong?

Thanks for any info...

						-BEASTOR THE MAD-

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From: pleaser@infopls.chi.il.us (Sean Gum)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.ads,alt.bbs.internet,alt.bbs.lists
Subject: Re: BBS Oriented Magazines?
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 07:49:19 CDT
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

rtravsky@news.uwyo.edu (Rich Travsky) writes:

> What bbs oriented publications/magazines exist? I'm aware of 'Online Access',
> but am curious about any others. (Ours is a town of 30,000, and the 
> newstands are less than overflowing with titles.)
> 
> 
> RIch Travsky   rtravsky@corral.uwyo.edu
Rich,
  An excellent online magazine is BoardWatch. I think it is the best out 
there. Another one is BBS Callers Digest. I live in Indiana, and pick 
mine up at WaldenSoftware. I believe Walden Books also carry them. Good 
luck on your search.
                


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Infoplus BBS, +1 708 537 0247, v32bis. Home of Infoplus.
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From:  lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky)
Subject: Re: subscribe
To: karlr@hpoemh.sj.hp.com
Reply-To: lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 07:25 CDT

In article <9210011651.AA01340@hpoemh.sj.hp.com> you write:
>help        
>

    Looks as if you're beyond help.

    Please don't post this garbage to the net.

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Subject: Re: BBS Oriented Magazines?
From: Pat Cain <patrick@sideways.welly.gen.nz>
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 22:26:31 GMT
Organization: Sideways Bulletin Board, Lower Hutt, New Zealand

rtravsky@news.uwyo.edu (Rich Travsky) in
  <1992Sep23.092132.226@news.uwyo.edu> writes:
> What bbs oriented publications/magazines exist? I'm aware of 'Online Access',
> but am curious about any others. (Ours is a town of 30,000, and the
> newstands are less than overflowing with titles.)

Three that are sold here in Wellington are ..
* Online Access which you have .. I didn't like it at all.

* BBS Callers Digest, their phone number are
        Voice : 1-609-953-9110
        Fax   : 1-609-953-7961
        Orders: 1-800-822-0437
  I personally didn't think much of BBSCD .. many of the articles read
  more like paid advertising though there are some interesting
  interviews with sysops.  Much of it is aimed at the new BBS user with
  articles like "Uploading Files and Choosing a Protocol", "LZ and LHA
  tools", reviews of shareware and so on.  I haven't seen any Internet
  coverage in it.

* Boardwatch.
        Voice : 1-303-973-6038
        Fax   : 1-303-986-8754
        Orders: 1-800-933-6038
        E-mail: jack.rickard@boardwatch.com
  I like more than the other two.  It's  doesn't have an excess of new
  user articles like BBSCD does but it does have good coverage of
  Internet and has many BBS Listings.  The editorials are often
  interesting(!)  The articles are interesting and well written.


Pat.
From: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Drew U
Date: 30 Sep 1992 06:07:53 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Does anyone know the internet or telnet adress for
Drew University's system in Madison, NJ?

Thanx

Mike Cornell
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: pauly@hardy.u.washington.edu (Sky Cries Mary)
Subject: (206) Bbs...  Call it
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 05:03:02 GMT

Hotel Chelsea
206.432.6904
Renegade Bbs Software

Operating 7 years.  Back Online after a 1 year break.
CCi Net
UseNet coming soon
From: michaelb@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Michael Bloxham)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.allsysop
Subject: Re: Practical Peripherals modem problems. Need help
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:08:51 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <baloo.717028990@mik.uky.edu>, baloo@mik.uky.edu (kevin s coupal) writes...

>I'm having trouble with my Practical Peripheral modem.  Its a 14.4 fxsa.  When
>people call they occasionally get locked up or thrown off my bbs. Also i find
>lots of incompatibility with other modems.  Can someone please send
>an init string that works well for them? 
>kevin
My init string is ATZ|
I save all my setup stuff in NVRAM.  I would look at a couple of things 
first:  a.) what EEPROM version do you have?  They are at least up to 1.15m
        b.) what are your fossil settings at?  What fossil driver are you
            using?

The highlights of my PPI setup:
N1 V1 W2 X4 Y0 &C1 &D2 &K3 &L0 &Q5 S95=003 S36=007 S37=0

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Michael L. Bloxham         | Real programmers don't comment their code. 
michaelb@vms.macc.wisc.edu | If it was hard to write, it should be hard
michaelb@WISCMACC.bitnet   | to understand.
FidoNet: 1:121/22   EchoNet: 50:5607/22   BBS: Mikro_Systems (608)837-2918
From: zatar@dadstoy.uucp (Terry Stockdale)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.allsysop
Subject: biz.zeos feeds available
Date: 26 Sep 92 01:22:50 GMT
Organization: Lots of little files on drive D:

In response to my recent question to Zeos about the availablity of the
biz.zeos.* newsgroups, Ken Germann advises that he is willing to set up
multiple newsfeeds OF THE BIZ.ZEOS HIERARCHY.  If you are interested,
send him mail at kgermann@zeos.com .

Nope.  Standard disclaimer.  I'm just a satisfied Zeos customer wanting to
stay in touch with the things coming available from them.
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From: asuter@larkin-next.Stanford.EDU (Alexander Logan Suter)
Subject: Acme is cool!
Keywords: acme, myles
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 08:00:22 GMT

Hello out there! I'm looking for the Internet address of the Acme BBS from  
Livermore California. It just happens to be the coolest BBS in the world,  
and I want to say howdy to my pals Myles and Robbert. You out there guys?  
Send me mail! asuter@leland.stanford.edu
From: al045@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gergely Tapolyai)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.allsysop
Subject: Re: Disclaimer Collection
Date: 30 Sep 1992 06:09:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Thank you for the info on the book.  I was aware of if, and some
other real good ones too.

On the other hand, let us not forget, we are (disclude yourself
if not) very carefull not to do something over again unless
it cannot be done in any other way.  So haveing a list of these
text files just waiting to be included, is a much easier way to do
it then retyping it after a few hours of research.

-- 
TAPOLYAI, Gergely                al045@cleveland.freenet.edu
                                 Cleveland, Ohio U.S.A.
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.allsysop
From: paradise@access.digex.com (S. Cole)
Subject: Digiboard PC/8
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:13:37 GMT


I have a Digiboard PC/8 rs-232 multichannel serial board for sale.
Includes the db-25 cable box, dos and unix drivers.  Great for adding
another 8 lines to your BBS.  Only used once for testing.
Asking $450 or best offer for it..
send email to  paradise@access.digex.com
 
sorry if this isn't the proper newsgroup to post this.
From: lestat@cats.ucsc.edu (Lestat de Lioncourt)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.allsysop
Subject: Re: Setting up front door w/ Telegard
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:29:05 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


i have been running TG and FD for about 2 years. e-mail me and i will
get you up and running. i have set 12 other systems up.

lestat@cats.UCSC.edu
From: al045@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gergely Tapolyai)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.allsysop
Subject: Disclaimer Collection
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:09:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Have you ever go into trouble with the law?  Or have you ever
worried about getting in a mess with them?  Well, I am
constantly worried about these.
Is s/he old enough to access the adult section?
Did s/he just ULed a pirated software package?
Do my users think all their "private mail" is really private?
Is someone slandering someone else, and I am not aware of it?
Is someone posting illegally obtained information on my system?
Is Big Brother logging in, and checking everything out?
 
I have found no real good way to avoid these issues.
A written, notarized registration form would be the best way,
but how many users will I have then?  I, myself hate send-in
registrations, why would I want to force my users to do it?
 
So far I have found a single adequate solution for this:
Disclaimers.  They are the ultimate solution to almost any
legal problems.  You present it, then make them read it, until
they say, "yes I agree with your rules & regulations".
 
So, Here I am on a quest to collect the cream of the crop.
 
Send me your best disclaimer, user registration, or warning
messages.  You can even send those that are not yours, you
just have access to (and is ok with the SysOp).
 
I will put all of them onto a BBS, or an FTP site where everyone
would have access to it.
 
U.S. Postal : TAPOLYAI, Gergely
              P.O.Box 94135
              Cleveland, Ohio 44101-6135
 
Internet    : al045@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
FidoNet     : Gergely Tapolyai at 1:157/3.0
SLNet       : Gergely Tapolyai at 250:2/1

p.s.: Please don't reply public, unless thats the only way you
can reply.     Lets spare the band-with.
-- 
TAPOLYAI, Gergely                al045@cleveland.freenet.edu
                                 Cleveland, Ohio U.S.A.
From: tabet2m@fiu.edu (Marwan Tabet)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.allsysop
Subject: FIDONET NODE HELP!!!
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:47:20 GMT
Organization: Florida International Universitym, Miami

Hi everyone,
              I've been running my SuperBBS for a year now and decided to have 
some nets like SuperNet and FidoNet so I setup FrontDoor and sent my Fidonet 
application to Node 0 here in Miami (Scott Samett 1:135/0), and I've been 
waiting for my number for a month! Any help or if you are or know someone 
that can help me please reply, cause I know some of the other Sysops here
got their node numbers in a matter of days!
P.S : I've been sending him alot of followup messages through netmail, but
still no reply! Also any comments from other Sysops is appreciated.
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.allsysop
From: sjw@bluemoon.rn.com (Steve Waydo)
Subject: new here
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 21:05:05 EDT

hi!  I'm a new SYSOP and decided to join this forum.  Can someone tell me 
about it?  Thanx.

 This is from
     sjw@bluemoon.rn.com
who doesn't have his (or her) own obnoxious signature yet
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.allsysop
From: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Subject: Setting up front door w/ Telegard
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 04:25:33 GMT

I would like to set up a little message-base echoing system between
my board and one other.  Most of the Front Door manual appears to be
irrelevant to this purpose.  Could some Telegard/FD user please send
me whatever settings they use, or perhaps point out a place where
such a document might be found?

The Front Door version is 2.02 NC

Paul Southworth                    |     ftp redspread.css.itd.umich.edu
Consulting and Support Services    |        Anonymous Political Archives
Information Technology Division    |                     100% 386BSD 0.1
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor  |  Coming soon: mirror of ftp.eff.org

  <Representing myself.  Everything I say is for educational use only.>
From: rob@skylinx.sa.com (Rob Cartaino)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.allsysop
Subject: Re: Disclaimer Collection
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:48:15 GMT
Organization: Scientific Atlanta, Inc.

al045@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gergely Tapolyai) writes:
> Message-ID: <1a9rigINNb94@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu
> 
> 
> Have you ever go into trouble with the law?  Or have you ever
> worried about getting in a mess with them?  Well, I am
> constantly worried about these.
> Is s/he old enough to access the adult section?
> Did s/he just ULed a pirated software package?
> Do my users think all their "private mail" is really private?
> Is someone slandering someone else, and I am not aware of it?
> Is someone posting illegally obtained information on my system?
> Is Big Brother logging in, and checking everything out?
>  

	I don't want to kill this thread (it sounds like a good idea)
but as a side note, if you've never read the book "SYSLAW" by
Lance Rose, I think you would find it very interresting reading. 
It discusses the legal aspects of running a BBS.  It covers each and
every one of the issues you brought up and suggests how they can
be avoided.


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Rob Cartaino - Melbourne, FL
rob@skylinx.sa.com
From: peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Coherent?
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 11:15:21 GMT
Organization: Global Village 1

rjus@uonline.com (ren_just) writes:

>And I thought you were hiding out somewhere.  Yes Larry, LINUX and BSD386
>are freely avaiable.  But some of us like good documentation along with a
>phone number where we can call for support.

Is there a reason you can't have good documentation and a phone number with
Linux and 386BSD? (A major nit pick: BSD/386 and 386BSD are two completely
different pieces of software. We talk about 386BSD here.)

>While, in theory LINUX and BSD386 are free, they really aren't.

Linux is free in the sense of the GNU copyleft. Read the GNU manifesto for more
information. I don't know if the GNU copyleft also applies to 386BSD.

>I don't know about you, but I don't seem to have a lot of free time.

Ah, real life sometimes comes in the way of hacking.

>Having to deal with the installation of LINUX and BSD386 along with the
>problems for them has cost me a lot more than $100 of my time as well as
>close to that in long distance phone bills trying to find the necessary files.

Which problems? Installing the MCC Interim release is as easy as installing
MooSe-DOS, if not easier. The most difficult thing is partitioning. One other
difficult thing is that you must know what size your floppy drive is (3.5" or
5.25") so that the kernel knows which root device to use. Everything else is a
matter of reading the README, starting the install script and answering a few
simple questions with y or n.

I don't know how to find the files in the States. Here in Holland there is
a programmer's network which has a special Linux file area. So most people
can get it from a local BBS.

>If they are so good, why don't you sell your UNIX you got from Dell and use
>these *FREE* operating systems? 

We were talking about Coherent vs. Linux or 386BSD. Coherent is a Version 7
kind of operating system. Linux and 386BSD are much more up to date.

Greetings,
Peter Busser
From: j_theof@pavo.concordia.ca (THEOFANOPOULOS, JOHN)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Internet
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:36:00 GMT
Distribution: mtl

Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

This message should reach you quite quickly.  If it doesn't I either
goofed on my end, or you're goofing on your end.  But then again, if it doesn't
reach you, it doesn't matter, cause you won't know about it!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\
John Theofanopulos     |  Fido 1:167/208   |  Montreal, Quebec                 |
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From: patt@squid.tram.com (Patt Bromberger)
Subject: Re: BBS Oriented Magazines?
Organization: Tramway Unix Systems
Distribution: world 
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 00:47:49 GMT
Bcc: linkupmci
Summary: LINK-UP

In article <tf9n#mk.mesm@netcom.com> mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris) writes:
>rtravsky@news.uwyo.edu (Rich Travsky) writes:
>:What bbs oriented publications/magazines exist? I'm aware of 'Online Access', 
>:but am curious about any others. (Ours is a town of 30,000, and the 
>:newstands are less than overflowing with titles.)
>
>What about Boardwatch? Mag from Denver Co.One of the oldest BBS mags
>that I know about. 7586 West Jewell Ave Suite 200, Lakewood, Co 80232.
>I love it.

There's also LINK-UP By Learned Information Inc. - send electronic
mail to the editor:  Joseph A. Webb and ask him for a sample issue
if you'd like to try it!

He can be reached at:

	2763464@mcimail.com (Joseph A. Webb, Editor, LINK-UP)

Include your name and snail mail address and he'll be happy to
send you a copy.


-- 
Patricia Ann Bromberger                     -       patt@squid.tram.com
Tramway Unix Systems 
"Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty." (Anne Herbert)
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Subject: Re: Stealing Software
From: tonyc@gnome.amigans.gen.nz (Tony Christie)
Date: 26 Sep 92 16:06:11 GMT+12
Organization: The Gnomes Home
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Daniel Ray (norstar@tnl.com) wrote:
> I agree that software authors are entitled to income from their work. But there
> *is* some kind of argument that it is not plain theft.
>
> In mundane theft, when one steals the goods, the goods are lost to the prior
> possessor. For software, after the theft the original possessor still possesses
> them. Its as if it "multiplied" into two. So the loss component of theft doesn't
> apply to information theft. In other words, its 1/2 stealing.
>
> By punishing software theft, you are retaliating against something that can
> be argued did no damage (especially if the thief would not buy the programs
> if he/she couldn't get them for free).
>
> Not a clear-cut case of "obvious" stealing, to me. A gray zone.

So if I copy a book or a song and then use it for my enjoyment only, that's
not theft ? What if I sell it to my friends for a simple 'copying' charge ?
What if I take the book/song and repackage it and sell it ? Still not
stealing ? Where does it become stealing ? No-one has actually lost anything
in the above transactions have they ?

I feel that the point is that by copying software you are infringing the
rights of the person who wrote/markets the software, by denying them their
rightful fee. This is true whether or not you would have bought the software.

--
 Tony Christie, Wanganui N.Z. //"Don't be so open minded that your brains
 tonyc@gnome.amigans.gen.nz \X/ fall out of your head" Barry Shein (s.c.usa)
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