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Date:         Sat, 3 Oct 1992 13:47:45 PDT
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From:         "(Jay Sandhu)" <esri!adriatic!jay@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      Re: cookie cutter 2

Y. Jin writes:

>We use GIS not for interactive queries. We use it to support VRP or VRPTM

By VRP I assume Vehicle Routing Problems. VRPTM???

>At each run, there would be thousands of GIS queries. How long it takes
>to do these CLIP and RESELECT, etc? ARC/INFO solution to VRP, or TSP, is to
>have a special data set for routing problems.

TSP meaning the Travelling Salesman Problem.

I am not sure what you mean that ARC/INFO's solution to TSP is to
have a special data set for routing problems. TSP operates on
finding the "travelling salesman" route for a set of specified
nodes in a network coverage. It's not a special data set, rather
the same "coverage" data set that ARC/INFO supports for all its
spatial analysis.

>They are not using CLIP, or UNION, or INTERSEC, etc, to access the general
>purpose data set. because it is the most efficient way they can do.

Again, I am not sure what role CLIP etc are playing in a TSP. I can
understand that some nodes may have to be selected within a specified
region (polygon), but that is simply a selection within a polygon that
can be done by a RESELECT command. CLIP is used to generate a new
coverage with the features that are within the clip polygons. It is
not at all necessary to do that just to run a TSP.

>We may be told GIS is not defined as a DBMS; we ask too
>much from it.

I hope not. GIS's are NOT just a DBMS. If they were, we should
be able to use any standard DBMS.  GIS's are the equivalent
to a DBMS in the spatial domain with their own set of spatial
operations that standard DBMS can not support. So in that case,
I think you may be asking too little from it.

Perhaps if you define the actual problem, maybe we can understand
your concerns and be able to suggest an alternate solution to the
one you may be following.

Jay Sandhu
email: jsandhu@esri.com
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From:         sfreundsch@KEAN.UCS.MUN.CA
Subject:      Re: Free MAPBOX software

>>Sorry I was sending that to a different address. Apologies

Hmmmm.  No, you actually sent your "personal message" to GIS-L, not
a different address.  Makes me wonder who the "knob-head" really
is... ;)!!! (sorry, couldn't resist).
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From: rcw@teal.csn.org (Robert C. White Jr.)
Subject: Re: Public Land Survey System
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 06:29:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.233829.191@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Duane F Marble) writes:
>Long before the days of the DLG, Phillips Petroleum digitized all of
>the U.S. Public Land Survey information (mostly from USGS sheets) and
>in fact extended "psuedo-Jeffersonian" coordinates to Texas and some
>eastern areas. Far from public domain, the last price I heard was on
>the order of $250K for the whole file.

The Phillips file at last check had many 15 minute maps still in it.
It was done many years ago, however I don't know if they are actively
updating it or not.

Here are some additional commercial enterprises currently supplying PLSS data 
digitized from 7.5 minute maps.  Prices vary widely, like
from $4.50-$25 per township.  Sorry I don't have the phone #s handy, so 
you will have to call information.

Dwights Energydata		(Coverage: All, including TX surveys)
Graphics Info. Technology, Inc.
Denver, CO

Platte River Associates		(Coverage: Most, PLSS states only + KY & TN)
Denver, CO

Topographic Mapping		(Coverage: OK, Parts TX, KS, NM)
Oklahoma City, OK

Charles T. Maine  (sp?)		(Old reference.  Coverage unknown)
Boston, MA

Questions to ask:

How does your digitizing work?
How much?
Bulk discounts?
Maintenace / Upgrades / Fixes ?
Data Formats?
Polygon or Line Coverage?
-- 
Robert C. White, Jr.					rcw@whitestar.com
From: GEOG-JG@GEOG.AUKUNI.AC.NZ (Jay Gao)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: remote sensing package vendors
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:51:58 GMT
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I joined this Department as a lecturer recently.  My primary teaching
 responsibility
includes remote sensing and digital image processing.  We are going to set up a
digital image processing lab.  The potential image processing systems we are
considering purchasing range from PCI, ERDAS, ER, to DRAGON.  I have collected
the promotion materials produced by the concerned marketing agencies at the
 ISPRS
meeting this past August in Washington, DC, but my stuff is still on its way
 here.  I
would appreciate if anyone out there could provide the address, phone number,
 and
fax number of the contact vendors.  Also, we are open for recommendations of
 other
candidate systems that have not caught our attention.

Thanks in advance.

Jay Gao
Department of Geography
University of Auckland
Auckland, NEW ZEALAND
phone  64-9-373-7999 ext 5184
fax 64-9-373-7434
geog-jg@geog.aukuni.ac.nz
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From: wskelly@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (William Skelly)
Subject: Re: FYI: Geographic Lit
Organization: Macquarie University, Australia.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:38:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.162951.18400@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>Just to bring to your attention a little thing which I have noticed.
>
>A few weeks ago at lunch, I chanced to glance a magazine sitting in the car
> [stuff deleted...]
>What is alarming is that with the "promise" of an application like GPS and
>onboard computerized maps in cars, it is not as clear to me whether this will
>really benefit these people.
>

Sure it will, they won't have to be map literate.  They will just
look at the digital readout and go where the computer tells them
to....except when the GPS satellite or some other high tech.
link goes down...then they will be scr_wed!  You can drive a car
without knowing a single thing about what's under the hood...
until something goes wrong...and if it goes wrong in the middle
of the Gibson... well thats the price of ignorance, eh?

Cheers,
Chris

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From:         "(Robert Linton)" <rlinton@GISJOH.MUR.CSU.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Where is

I am looking for an email or mail address for Generation 5 technology, the
producers of Geo/Sql GIS.  Can anybody help me out.

Thanks in advance.


Rob Linton
Charles Sturt University - Albury
Australia.
Net: rlinton@csu.edu.au
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PLEASE DO NOT SEND MONEY !
It is with regret that I perform this task. Dr. Gelson V. Gomes. a
professor of the University of Parana, Brazil, has exceeded this
privileges and announced a eletronic course:

> ____________________________________________________________
>        Mastering INTERNET Tools, Seizing METANET Power -
>                      The InterMeta Course
> ____________________________________________________________

I must apologize for this flagrant breach of network etiquette. Please
be aware that Dr. Gelson had no right to do so, since this is against
the rules of our ANSP network, and also against the Bitnet rules.
PLEASE DO NOT SEND MONEY!
I will not discuss what his motivations were. But his account has been
revoked, and there will be no such course through my network.

Please write by normal mail, to:
-> Gelson V. Gomes
-> 358, R. Alvaro Andrade - ap.1201
-> Curitiba PR BRAZIL 80610-240
to get more information on his objectives. He may want to give the
course by normal mail.  :-)

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Subject:      Reply

Believe Computer Please !
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From: RSIU42A@SAUPM00.BITNET (Trevor D. Rotzien)
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Subject: Thanks
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:42:22 GMT
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I wish to sincerely thank the following for the enlightening and informative
discussions we shared during my recent visits to the U.K., Ireland, and
Canada:

Peter Halls and Rupert Ormond, University of York

Richard Healey and Tim Rideout, University of Edinburgh

Darius Bartlett and Armando Scalise, University College Cork

Brian Klinkenberg, University of British Columbia

(A special thanks to Armando for the hospitality! Please let me know your
new email address...)

If their generosity and receptiveness is representative of the GIS community
as a whole, we are in excellent company, indeed!


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From:         "(Mutahar Hickey)" <mhick@BSU-CS.BSU.EDU>
Subject:      dot distributions

I am a novice at this, I am working on my M.Sc. in Computer
Science and my thesis project involves creating a correct dot
distribution that is also smooth at the boundaries of the regions
defined.  Our school here only has the Physical Geography
Abstracts and a few issues of some magazines.  I have looked
through everything we have for the last two years and I have found
almost no mention even of dot distributions. So I have two
requests:
		1.  Are there other terms which I might better use to
		search for citations?
		2.  If you have seen any articles on this subject, could
		you e-mail me the citation?
Of course, if you have personal knowledge of this area, I would
love to ask you some questions.

	Another dumb question:  I can output my program to Postscript,
	or to TIFF, Or to any run-length encoded format for storage and
	transfer of resultant images.  What is the standard?  Needless
	to say, I am working on UNIX.  I also am using (trying to use)
	X-Windows.  I would like to use TARGA, but we do not have 24
	plane monitors where I have access.

			I would certainly appreciate any help, please respond
			to my e-mail address:


					Mutahar Hickey
					mhick@bsu-cs.bsu.edu
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 08:41:52 -0400
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From:         E7G4HEM@TOWSONVX.BITNET
Subject:      call for editors

Call for Editors

     The American Society for Photogrammetry and Remote Sensing (ASPRS) has had
   great success
with the GIS News Column that appears in our monthly journal, Photogrammetric En
   gineering & Remote
Sensing (PE&RS).  As a result, starting with the 1993 issues, ASPRS is expanding
    the topics to include
other columns of interest to our members.  PE&RS will still contain the same pee
   r-reviewed articles; we
are just reorganizing the news columns by topic.
     ASPRS is looking for volunteers to edit monthly news columns that we plan t
   o start with the
January 1993 issue of PE&RS.  The job consists of reading press releases (we'll
   send them to you),
editing them down to the pertinent information, and submitting the copy back to
   headquarters by the
typesetting deadline (which is during the last week of each month).  Editors are
    also encouraged to
develop their own contacts to obtain information for their columns.

     We need volunteers for each of the following subjects:  Remote Sensing; Glo
   bal Positioning
Systems; Photogrammetry; Machine Vision; and a miscellaneous section.

     If you are interested, please contact Joann Treadwell, Managing Editor, ASP
   RS, 5410 Grosvenor
Lane, Suite 210, Bethesda, MD  20814; phone 301-493-0290, fax 301-493-0208.
From: sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: Probblems in Arc/Info?
Date: 26 Sep 92 23:59:12 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

In <1992Sep25.184133.15612@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Duane F Marble) writes:

>I DO wish ESRI would do something about creating comp.infosystems.gis.arcinfo!

 Better yet:
 comp.infosystems.gis.how.come.this.worked.under.Arc6.but.not.Arc6.1?

 ^ Perhaps carrying this over to Arc5-->Arc6, and Arc5-->Arc6.1 discussion
groups.

 :-) :-) :-)

--
 Just another satisfied user who found 2 more bugs on friday, and has
to spend all day monday correcting data produced before friday, and
in the meantime hoping the bug reports get routed back thru
channels.

 :-|

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Iowa Cooperative Soil Survey Resource Unit
2142 Agronomy, Iowa State University  (515) 294-5429
From: tored@bsc.no (Tore Dimmestol)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: REQUEST: algorithm for assessing digi. direction
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:30:51 GMT
Organization: Bergen Scientific Centre, Bergen, NORWAY

Hi!
I wonder if anyone has an algorithm for assessing which way a boundary has been
digitized. This could save me from reinventing yet another wheel. Code, pseudocode or references would be highly appreciated.

Tore Dimmestoel
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listserve
From: abw@natchez.bu.edu (Al Wesolowsky)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: GIS/Archaeology Position
Summary: Boston Univ position in GIS and Archaeology
Keywords: Boston teaching archaeology
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:14:10 GMT
Organization: Boston University

W. M. Keck Foundation Professorship in
Remote Sensing and Archaeology

Boston University announces a new tenure-track faculty position at the
level of assistant or associate professor in remote sensing and
archaeology, effective September 1, 1993.  The professorship is named
in honor of the W. M. Keck Foundation, whose award to Boston
University has made the appointment possible.

The Ph.D. is required.  The ideal candidate will be an archaeologist
with both research and instructional background in remote sensing;
he/she will have had significant field experience; successful teaching
experience at the college level; and capabilities for leadership.  The
archaeological background of candidates may be either in Old World or
New World archaeology, prehistoric or historical, and/or in an
archaeological science.  Send nominations or applications, including a
vita and the names and addresses of three referees, by December 1,
1992, to the following address:

Professor James R. Wiseman
Faculty Search Committee
Boston University
Department of Archaeology
675 Commonwealth Avenue
Boston, MA  02215

Boston University is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer

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Al B. Wesolowsky     abw@crsa.bu.edu 
Boston University    abw@acs.bu.edu
From: 841613t@dragon.acadiau.ca (Don Tyzuk)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: Intro GIS documents
Date: 1 Oct 92 10:11:02 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

kanarick@media.mit.edu (Craig M. Kanarick) writes:

>I have a friend who wants to enter the "GIS" arena.  I put
>quotes around GIS because he doesn't really know what he
>wants to do yet.  He is interested in electronic maps, electronic
>mapmaking, geographical database, etc.
>Could someone please point me to good introductory materials,
>periodicals, publications, etc, that would be apropos?

Me too! Is there a FAQ?
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From:         koop@CC.RUU.NL
Subject:      Re: Help with map projections

>I need one or two good to great references on map projections and understanding
>them.
>
>Thus, who can recommend 1-4 references that will clarify/teach/refresh my
>memory of map projections.
>
>

John. P. Snyder, 1987, Map Projections - A Working Manual, Geological
Survey Bulletin P-1395, US Government Printing Office, Washington DC.

Snyder is one of the leading scientists in the field of map projections.
Perhaps you may be able to find other material from him.  The working
manual contains references to computer programmes to perform the map
projections listed and discussed.

Olev
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Utrecht University
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From:         LDOWNS@BSS2.UMD.EDU
Subject:      COMBINING POINT AND POLYGON FILES IN ARC/INFO

HELLO OUT THERE - I HAVE AN ARC/INFO PROBLEM THAT I HOPE THERE IS A
SOLUTION TO. IT IS AS FOLLOWS:

FIRST, I AM USING ARC/INFO 6.0.1 AND I AM TRYING TO CONVERT DXF
FORMAT TO ARC/INFO. IN THIS VERSION, THE NORMAL COMMAND FOR BLOCKS
($REST BLOCKS ALL) DOES NOT WORK BECAUSE OF AN ACKNOWLEDGED BUG. I
WAS TOLD TO USE THE GRAPHICS OPTION AND/OR ATPOINT, ETC. THE GRAPHICS
OPTION BRINGS IN ONLY ARCS, THEREFORE, I CREATED TWO COVERAGES-ONE
ARCS AND ONE POINTS (WITH POINT ATTRIBUTES). NOW, THE REAL PROBLEM--
HOW DOES ONE COMBINE THE COVERAGES INTO ONE IN ARC/INFO?

I HAVE TRIED: 1. APPEND WITH NOTEST AND THEN TRIED JOINITEM (AS IS
SUGGESTED IN ARC/INFO INFORMATION), HOWEVER, THE POLYGON IDS ARE
SCRAMBLED AND THE FINAL OUTPUT IS INCORRECT.

2. APPEND WITH THE POINT OPTION, BUT BOTH COVERAGES NEED POLYGON
TOPOLOGY.

3. UNION AND IDENTITY WERE ALSO TRIED, BUT, IT SEEMS THAT ARC/INFO
DOES NOT LIKE TO JOIN POINT COVERAGES TO ANY OTHER TYPE.

IF ANYBODY HAS HAD THIS PROBLEM AND KNOWS A SOLUTION, I WOULD BE VERY
GRATEFULL.

THANKS,
LYNDA DOWNS
LABORATORY FOR COASTAL RESEARCH/DEPT. OF GEOGRAPHY
UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND
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From:         "Clifton M. Posey" <dedcmp@ARCO.COM>
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Frequently Asked Questions

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THANKS A GREAT DEAL FOR THE INFORMATION ON WORLD NUCLEAR PLANTS.  WE ARE
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From: hirtle+@pitt.edu (Steve C Hirtle)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: Report on Pisa conference?
Date: 30 Sep 92 02:26:07 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <00961495.63983340.12896@Leif.ucs.mun.ca> sfreundsch@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>Several of the papers were quite good - the memorable ones were the
>keynote address by David Mark, papers by Helen Couclelis, Reg Golledge,
>and Ben Kuipers.  
>The conference proceedings is available in the U.S. for around $30.  The
>title of the book is "theories and methods of spatio-temporal reasoning in
>geographic space", Frank, Campari, & Formentini (eds.), lecture notes in
>computer science, pub. Springer-Verlag.

Just a warning that the keynote by D. Mark and the paper by B. Kuipers
unfortunately did not make it into the proceedings.  So be forewarned.

However, I think the proceedings are worth it for the other papers.  I
also found it to be a very good conference and was particularly struck
by how well the interdisciplinary approach worked.  The conference
speakers seemed to be evenly drawn from the fields of geography,
computer science, and cognitive science.  Despite the lack of a common
academic grounding, there was the clear sense that no one field has all
the answers and that multiple approaches are needed to understand the
how and why of spatial/temporal reasoning.

Just my 20 lira worth :-)

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