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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 06:59:41 EST
From:         Maynard Calkin <MSC3@NERVM.NERDC.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: GTMON3 for ESA?

On Tue, 29 Dec 1992 02:56:45 CST David E Boyes said:
>Has anyone updated GTMON3 for ESA? Failing that, could anyone
>tell me what the VM/ESA equivalents of the CP VMDCTPGR and
>VMDCTPGW counters are?
>
>Thanks in advance.

I don't know about GTMON3, but for ESA 1.1, the page read/page write
counters have been moved out of the VMDBK and into the ASCBK (Address
Space Control Block) which is pointed to by VMDASCBK.

Maynard
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From:         David E Boyes <dboyes@IS.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      GTMON3 for ESA?
Comments: To: vmesa-l@uafsysb.uark.edu

Has anyone updated GTMON3 for ESA? Failing that, could anyone
tell me what the VM/ESA equivalents of the CP VMDCTPGR and
VMDCTPGW counters are?

Thanks in advance.

David Boyes
postmaster, ricevm1.rice.edu
dboyes@rice.edu
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 10:18:49 CST
From:         Bill Hunter <BHUNTER@UA1VM.UA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Installing replacement CP text files
              14 Dec 1992 08:59:27 GMT from <J.G.Bryan@BHAM.AC.UK>

On Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:59:27 GMT Graham Bryan said:

 (...) stuff deleted

>
>** Perhaps  someone who  understands how  local CP  mods should  be
>** incorporated using  SES would  post a 'cookbook'  expaination, I
>** for one would welcome it.
>
I can't say that I understand how SES does it but I did follow the 'stuff'
in the ESA R1.1 Service Guide (SC24-5527-01) around pg. 6-15 and get the
build to pick up my local mods.  You should read and understand chapter 7
and appendix "C" of the above manual also.  I think it is correct to say
that for source update service, the entry in the AUX file determines how
VMFHASM names the text deck.  You need to be sure to do this properly.

I think that the secret is to have the file '6VMVMB11 VVTLCL' (mine is on
the 2C4/"E" disk) updated to point to the correct text deck  or loadlist.
After my first local mod, I started updating this guy manually.  This may
or may not be kosher but it works for me.

What I do now (and I'm sure this is NOT kosher) is ONLY use 'VMFINS BUILD'
when I've received/applied service from IBM.  I then save the 'loadlist'
that is created from this process.  It will have an entry for each text
deck that goes into the IPL deck.  This entry will have the filetype for
the appropriate version (i.e. TXTxxxxx or TEXT) of each text deck.

Now, when I make local mods to a module, I edit the abovementioned 'loadlist'
and change the filetype of the module in question as appropriate.  To
create the IPL deck I use HCPLDR with the appropriate parameter list.  For
example 'HCPLDR CP9201D (PUNCH NOCTL' will use the file 'CP9201D EXEC'
as the loadlist for this deck and punch the appropriate files.

I've added a CP command, a local diagnose and a CP mod which allows me to
isolate NSS files on certain CP volume(s) using this method.  I find that
it's much faster that letting VMFBLD select the correct version for 1000+
text modules when I'm only changing one.  One drawback is that it forces
me to do the record keeping for which module I want included in the product
I'm building.  So far, I can live with this...

Bill Hunter, The U. of Alabama
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:04:59 EST
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21:04:58 > A long time ago I ordered VM/ESA 370 feature SDO.  Administration put
21:04:59 > installation on hold pending removal of our 4381.  Now my boss says t
21:04:59 > install it even though the 4381 more than likely goes away soon.  At
21:04:59 > any rate  now that I m doing the installation  I find I m missing
21:04:59 > the CMS Utilities Feature (FLIST  BROWSE  etc.).  Could someone tell
21:04:59 > me what I have to order to obtain this?
21:04:59 > Thanks for any help!
         You're welcome!
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:37:54 CST
From:         Ladonna Hageman <LADONNA@SDNET.BITNET>
Subject:      CMS Utilities Feature

A long time ago I ordered VM/ESA 370 feature SDO.  Administration put the
installation on hold pending removal of our 4381.  Now my boss says to
install it even though the 4381 more than likely goes away soon.  At
any rate, now that I'm doing the installation, I find I'm missing
the CMS Utilities Feature (FLIST, BROWSE, etc.).  Could someone tell
me what I have to order to obtain this?

Thanks for any help!

Ladonna Hageman
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Date:         Wed, 30 Dec 1992 10:15:37 PST
From:         Ski Taniguchi <Ski_Taniguchi@CCM.HF.INTEL.COM>
Subject:      Re: None (mail relay)
Comments: To: ASM370@uga.cc.uga.edu

>could someone please give me some hints on learning assembly. I have written
>-one
>or two little test programs in 'C' that do boring stuff like add numbers
>together and even that too nearly 50k! So I am going to switch to assembly.
>I just need to be told where to start. Should I start with a book, by
>-debugging
>something or what ?? I would like to write nice little programs, for example
>a phone-dialler...
>
>Cheers everyone.
>
>-//-> Kelvin Lawson
>-//-> InterNet: LiveWire@sound.demon.co.uk
>-//-> FidoNet: 2:258/71
Kelvin,
Are you talking about 370 assembler or assembler on PC?? They are
"completely" different (to me, anyway).
For System/370 Assembler, I've started with following books:
  1) 370/360 Assembler Language Programming by Stern, Sager, Stern; published
by Wiley. This book is used by many college classes and is a very good
starter book.
  2) MVS Assembler Language by Kevin McQuillen, Anne Prince; published by Mike
Murach & Associates, Inc. This is very good self-learning book.  Little more
advanced then #1, and gives lots of examples.
  3) Advanced Assembler Language and MVS Interfaces by Carmine Cannatello;
published by Wiley.  This is a very good advanced assembler book.  It pickes
up after where #2 left off. It goes into Macro Assembler, SVC, Macro
Instructions, ADEND Recovery, SVC 99, Processing of PDS, Channel Programming,
31-bit addressing, Inter-Address Space Communications, etc.  This book
requires previous "good" knowledge of assembler language.

For PC Assembler, try:
  Assembly Language Primer for IBM PC & XT by Robert Lafore; published by the
Waite Group.  Yes, this is old book (not AT), but does give very good
fundamentals for PC Assembler with many examples and figures.  I've goen
thru few PC assembler books, but I've found this one to be the best (at the
time). --- I'm sure there are newer books out covering PC/AT level systems.

Enjoy!
   Ski Taniguchi
   Intel Corp.
   Phoenix, AZ
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Keywords: assembler 370/assembler 390/assembler cross/370 cross/390
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:37:47 GMT
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From:         Gary Burchett <sasgxb@UNX.SAS.COM>
Subject:      Does a cross/370 assembler to 370 object exist?
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I have seen postings about Don Higgins cross/370 assembler, but this
is NOT what I am looking for.  His assembler apparently creates code
to run on PC's.  I am looking for a cross/370 assembler that will run
on any of several platforms (read this as portable and probably
written in C) and for which the object code generated is IBM 370 or
390 object and compatible with IBM object code files.  I will also
need the source so as to be able to keep up with changes in processor
instructions, IBM/390 assembler features, etc.  I am not interested in
any ability of the package to test/run the code on the cross platform.
I will transfer the generated objects to MVS to be linkedited there.

Does such a beast exist?  If so, please mail me a response.

I intend to run this from an HP700 platform running HPUX.

Thank you in advance for any possible assistance.

                                        Gary Burchett
                                        SAS Institute Inc.
                                        919-677-8000

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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:16:13 EST
From:         Tony Harminc <EL406045@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Does a cross/370 assembler to 370 object exist
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Posted on 23 Dec 1992 at 10:53:26 by Gary Burchett <sasgxb@UNX.SAS.COM>

>I have seen postings about Don Higgins cross/370 assembler, but this
>is NOT what I am looking for.  His assembler apparently creates code
>to run on PC's.  I am looking for a cross/370 assembler that will run
>on any of several platforms (read this as portable and probably
>written in C) and for which the object code generated is IBM 370 or
>390 object and compatible with IBM object code files.

The documentation posted earlier makes it pretty clear that the Higgins
assembler does do what you want.  There is evidently a PC execution
facility as well, but the code generated is regular 370 code.  What
sense would it make to have a 370 assembler that generated anything
else ?  It's not terribly meaningful to accept 370 assembler statements
and generate (say) Intel 80x86 machine code from them.

This is reinforced by the reference to a conversion program for
producing MVS Linkage Editor format object files.

I don't have the Higgins assembler, so I can't comment on source
availability or language.  Perhaps it's written in 370 assembler :-)
Of course you could use the execution environment to run the real
IBM 370 assembler on a PC for that matter.

Tony Harminc
From: MAH@MERC.RX.UGA.EDU (Mark Hall)
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Date: 31 Dec 92 19:13:32 GMT
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> >Could someone please give me some hints on learning assembly. I
have written >  one
> >or two little test programs in 'C' that do boring stuff like add numbers
> >together and even that too nearly 50k! So I am going to switch to assembly.
> >I just need to be told where to start. Should I start with a book, by
 debugging
> >something or what ?? I would like to write nice little programs, for example
> >a phone-dialler...
>
>
> You have the wrong list, sonny. If you want to write a phone-dialler for your
> toy, go ask on comp.sys.msdos.programmer. This list is for mainframe systems.
> Any decent bookshop will be able to show you a shelf full of MS-DOS assembler
> programming books.
-------------------- REPLY --------------------
Mr. Grant, have we become so high and mighty in our little assembly
towers that we can't respond with respect and dignity to someone who
is not 'at our level?'  Your response to his query was totally
inappropriate.  Remember your roots - have some compassion upon the
"uninitiated!"  I don't object to informing people that they're in
the wrong forest; however, the use of such witticisms as 'sonny',
and 'toy'  makes this list seem like a snobbish group of programming
elitists.  I hope that this is not what this list is about.
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From: jws@world.std.com (jim w stephens)
Subject: Re: Does a cross/370 assembler to 370 object exist?
Keywords: assembler 370/assembler 390/assembler cross/370 cross/390
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 09:48:25 GMT



"archie pc370" will produce a list of sites which archive the pc370 source.  I
believe that the last version was 4.2 before selling out to Microfocus to
support their Cobol cross compile effort on the PC.  I do not believe the
source has ever been distributed.  The assembler was patterned after a stand
alone tool which was used to teach assembly stand alone, and as such is
rather limited.  Also, the capability to intertwine 286 and 370 code was
added which might make the usefulness for cross support on actual 370s
somewhat limited.  

The code may be exported to VM very easily from the pc370 version 4.2, but
it uses an SVC 76 or such for most of its os support.  I am not familiar
with MVS coding, but it probably needs much more to be really useful.  This
still misses the original posters desire to be able to run on an HP.

Jim Stephens
jws@world.std.com


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