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From: s1140056@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (Jeffrey O. (*JEFF*))
Subject: Re: Psylocke's hair (among other things)
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill 3842, Victoria, AUSTRALIA.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 02:55:10 GMT


I've been following the thread about the colour of Psylocke's hair/personality
etc etc for some time now.

IMHO, it's funny to see people concerned about the colour of someone's hair,
be it green/purple/white etc considering the fact that in the Marvel universe
there are humans/entities powerful enough to destroy planets/star systems/
galaxies.  This is not intended to flame anyone, just merely an observation :)

BTW, what's the colour of Psylocke's eyes? :) :)  They seem to change colour
every now and then (maybe Marvel ran out of colours) :)

Just my two and a half cents worth...
Cheers,
Jeff
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From: derlith@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (August Derlith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Wolverine's Age
Date: 24 Jul 92 09:35:17 GMT
Organization: The Eternal Apprentice BBS, Norman, OK

proct_hately@hg.uleth.ca (Kintair of Hawkehaven MKA Bill Hately) writes:

> Hello People, someone commented that Wolvie had to be 60 years old, I believe
> that he is MUCH older then that, a couple of points:
> First He was old enough to Be in WWII (ok so this was a bit contrived)
> Second His Untrustworthy memory keeps flashing back to a time where he Work
> buckskins and Worked for the Hudsons Bay Company, now granted the Bay is stil
> around, but the the people who work there no longer wear bucksins (and carry
> Rifles) I'd say that he has to be closer to 100 min. - Even Alberta wasn't th
> Wild after 1900 (after the late 1800s actually) - of course we are talking
> American writers here and some of them think we still wander around in
> dogsleds.  Reasons to be old enough to fight in WWII He would have to have be
> born no later then 1925 (probably earlier), to work for the Bay wearing the
> style of clothing they portray doing the things he's supposed to have done
> would bump that back to at least the 1890s  (of course we are talking comics
> here so anything is possible, hell they figure we have STATE Parks in Canada)
> anyway thats my opinion, of Wolvies supposed age (even though he was really

        After following the "Shiva" storyline in the actual "Wolverine" 
book, it is painfully evident that many of Wolvie's supposed "memories" 
are little more than orchestrated delusions played out by a host of 
doctors and psychologists for the sole purpose of creating a perfect 
killing machine.  We now have no real clue how old the man is....

        Also, as a side note, isn't it cute that Shiva (the robot) was 
built to terminate the test subjects if they got out of hand, and so far 
have proven woefully inadequate of that task?

                                                                Derlith

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From: student6@cindas.ecn.purdue.edu (Student Account6)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Psylocke & Cyclops, Cyclops & Psylocke, hmmm....
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:43:50 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


   As I remember the _real_ Jean Grey (the one who died in 
UXM #137), I'm finding it difficult to root for the Cyclops/
Psylocke relationship, but I guess it would be good for the
book to have something like this develop.  Ever since they 
brought Jean back (again!), I've been unhappy with her
portrayal, and I'd have to agree that, lately, she's been
"boring as hell."  Guess I'll just have to deal with it as 
another symptom of declining writing. _sigh_ ...
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Subject: Re: Next polybagged run
From: schmidt2@husc9.harvard.edu (Gary Schmidt)
Date: 25 Jul 92 15:08:37 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Harvard University Science Center
From: robi@bacchus.esa.oz.au (Robi Karp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: UXMEN #292
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:56:00 GMT
Reply-To: robi@bacchus.esa.oz.au
Organization: Expert Solutions Australia


In article <92209.114800ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
: In article <ROBI.92Jul22102753@raven.bacchus.esa.oz.au>, robi@bacchus.esa.oz.au
: (Robi Karp) says:
: >
: >: I feel that they made a mistake in
: >: being ambiguous about Gambit being Lebeau "The Witness". Considering that
: >: Bishop was trained by this witness after the betrayal and knew him well, how
: >: could he not recognize a younger version of Lebeau in X-men #8?
: >
: >Where's the ambiguity. It seems perfectly clear to me. Gambit survived
: >the "Death of the X-Men" and is Bishop's time is known as "The
: >Witness". In any case, Bishop's timeline is now an alternate timeline,
: >not the Real Thing, Jubilee _isn't_ the last X Man etc... so anything
: >that Gambit may or may not have done in Bishop's timeline is kind of
: >academic. Situations may have been _very_ different.
: >
:   In X-men #8, when Bishop was being introduced to the team, he recognized
:  Gambit and called him by the Witness name Lebeau, to which Gambit
:  responded angrily about someone saying his name and they were about to
:  fight. Regardless of whatever may have happened in the future, that scene
:  did make it clear that Gambit is the Witness. Interestingly there was
:  an ongoing thread about who the witness was at the time and when that
:  issue came out, that thread was dropped.
:        Now, according to the letter page, they are saying that Gambit
:  may or may not be the witness when X-men #8 cleared that up...

I see, you and I are saying the same thing using different words. That
is: Gambit _is_ The Witness, there is no ambiguity about this.

The other point I was getting at is that the Gambit of our timeline
cannot be held accountable for the crimes of the Gambit of Bishop's
timeline.

	- Robi
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 14:42:19 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: X-Men news for events after X-ecutioners' song.

From the new Marvel Age issue:

The 30th anniversary issues of X-Men (all of 1993?) will include Cable's
own title (akin to Wolverine's) which will play him out as the time traveller
he has been shown to be, limited series for many characters (Sabretooth,
Gambit,Deadpool,Magneto (ah ha!), and Bishop), the X-Men quarterly which will
spotlight supporting cast members (the Upstarts, the Acolytes, Mutant
Liberation Front), and The Official Guide-book to Xavier's Mansion).  There
will be a crossover series between the Avengers (who will also have a 30th
anniversary in 1993) over Magneto and the Acolytes who will try to kidnap
Luna, Magneto's non-mutant granddaughter.

BTW, in X-ecutioner's song a tie will be revealed between Stryfe, Scott
[Summers], Jean [Grey], Havok (Alex Summers) and Cable.  Sounds like
the Cable-is-Scott's-son-and-Stryfe-is-his-future/past-self theory
to me.  Oh, yeah...and Stryfe almost kills Apocalypse?

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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks,rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Next polybagged run & (comic market)
Date: 23 Jul 92 05:50:40 GMT
Distribution: rec
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Jul22.064228.27268@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> hpky@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (Hanan Polanski) writes:

+>Remember the stock market crash of 1929 (well, not directly, of course) ???
+>How about the crash in 'museum' art prices that is happening now, because
+>for the last decade or so art prices were spiraling out of control??
+>This *will* happen to the comicbook market once the market is saturated.
+>IMHO, I think the saturation point will be reached in the *very* near
+>future.

	I dont see anything of the sort happening anytime soon.  The comic
market has already had its '1929' in the 1980's when the bottom fell out
of the B&W market.  The crash was caused by: 

	1. dealers who thought that they had to buy at least three of 
	everything offered by their distributor each month.  I.e. anyone
	could publish any sort of trash imaginable and be guarenteed 
	up-front money for it (because its direct sales - no returns).

	2. because of the success of TMNT, there developed this collector
	mentality which went out searching for the next "big" B&W book
	that was going to be another TMNT.  Thus people would buy multiple
	copies of any b&w rumored to be "hot".

	The crash finally happened because the order lists for the shops
	(and the up-front money each month for them) got so big that
	the shops risked disaster if their customers didn't buy the 
	way the shops thought they would.

	And then one day everyone suddenly decided B&W's were really
	worthless trash after all, the shops were left with tons of
	B&W books which all the robot-fans now hated regardless of
	quality has much as they had preveiously liked them regarless 
	of quality.  The shops then started going under....CRASH.





	Lots of dealers got burned last year by X-force and X-men, but not
burned so badly that their stores got into long-term trouble over it.


	I think the next '1929' is going to happen in collector cards.
Everything that was present in the black & white bust is now present in
the card market.  





+>I don't blame Marvel for this situation. They're just trying to make money.
+>They're not stealing from anyone, they're not killing (or even maiming) anyone.
+>But as long as 'variations' increase sales, they will keep finding new
+>variations.

	Marvel doesn't care about sales so much as "orders" from the 
direct market.  They sell in most cases to your local shop and will
make a huge amount of money selling to dealer expecatations even if
the book at the retail level is a flop (i.e. the metal cover silver sable).
From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD])
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Made for her?
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:35:57 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept

In <92212.075851EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu> EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu (Ernie Oporto) writes:

>stages.  Also, look for a possible comeback when X-Men and Avengers face
>off against the Acolytes who will try to capture Magneto's non-mutant
>granddaugther Luna (they dont know she's not a mutie) for an heir to their
>cause.

I thought it was made clear in Avengers #350 that the whole problem
is that she isn't a mutant -- they want to wipe her and evidence of her
out so they can claim Magneto has a pure line of Mutant progeny.

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From: hpky@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (Hanan Polanski)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Psylocke's hair (among other things)
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:42:48 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <ROBI.92Jul24090003@raven.bacchus.esa.oz.au> robi@bacchus.esa.oz.au (Robi Karp) inquires:

>: Do you really and honestly believe that Polaris' hair is naturally green ?? I-)

>What, you have a problem with that ?

No. Actually, I think it's kinda sexy....

(Then there's She-Hulk, but that's another newsgroup, isn't it??)

					James Willer email to jmw1388@cs.rit.edu
{The opinions above are probably NOT those of
 Hanan Polansky. I don't know. I never aksed.}
From: robi@bacchus.esa.oz.au (Robi Karp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: upstarts
Date: 27 Jul 92 09:45:37 GMT
Reply-To: robi@bacchus.esa.oz.au
Organization: Expert Solutions Australia


In article <1992Jul25.174243.1@acad3.alaska.edu>, fsthc@acad3.alaska.edu says:
: I have it from a reliable source that the Upstarts are made
: of the following characters:
: Trevor Fitzroy (Pursued by Bishop and Co.)
: Shinobi Shaw   (Mentioned elsewhere in the net)
: Graydon Creed  (A relationship to Sabretooth seems implied by the name.....)
: 
: Fabian Cortez  (Magneto's _friend_ hah!)
: Siena Blaze    (Token Female?  I've never heard/seen/read of her.....)

What are your sources ? I don't recall Cortez being mentioned in
conjunction with the Upstarts, nor Creed. It might be interesting to
know what your "source" has to say about the Upstarts, please post
more info.

	- Robi
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From: petonak@chem.psu.edu (Paul Petonak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Psylocke & Cyclops, Cyclops & Psylocke, hmmm....
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:49:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.134408.57675@cc.usu.edu>, sl859@cc.usu.edu writes:
|> > Just out of curiosity, has their been anything mentioned in terms
|> > of an impending relationship either within the x-books (i am not totally
|> > up to date w/ all the goings on) or with out?
|> > I'd like to see something to develop to spice the book up. Besides, Cyclops
|> > is my favorite (god I hate that word) X-person and I think Jean Grey is
|> > boring as hell.
|> 
|> 	You'd have to be blind and REALLLY dimwitted to not notice that
|> Cyclops and Psylocke are going to do something naughty!  I mean the last

I saw the bloody inuendos. I count three of them. What I am asking is are 
there more than three (i.e., did i miss any in some issue) or did the writers
mention anything else on past letter pages, etc. etc.

|> three or four Xmen issues have been chuck full of inuendo after inuendo.
|> I don't think its even a matter of speculation after the last issue.  
|> Of course, maybe I just would like to read things into comics.
|> All I can say is that hopefully a relationship will help psylocke back
|> to the real world, 'cuz I think she's one of the more interesting telepaths,
|> (next to Rachel) and I really was annoyed (to put it lightly) 
|> when she went all evil and unstable.  I just wanna know if cyclops has
|> something for telepaths.  Strange Duck.
|> 						wReam...
|> 
|> P.S.  For all you know I could be a telepath! (8:-)  Heh heh heh!
|> 
|> 
|>
From: wfuller@latech.edu (William G. Fuller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Mutant Crossover
Date: 27 Jul 92 00:22:16 GMT
Organization: Louisiana Tech University

This is written in response to someone's comment of the
upcoming Mutant crossover.  In that message, it was
stated that there will be a 12 issue crossover with each
issue containing one of 12 cards.  It was further stated
that this would require the consumer to buy 144 total
issues to get all the cards. 

I think that instead, there will be 12 total cards, with
each issue containing one of these cards.  This is 
according to ETM #35 which states that XMEN 294 will contain
a Professor X card, X-Factor 84 containing a Caliban,
X-Men 14 a Apocalypse, and X-Force 16 a Cable card.

If this is incorrect would someone please let me know.
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From: jrp3935@tamsun.tamu.edu (Jonny Ray Purvis)
Subject: Re: Wolverine's Age
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 01:26:57 GMT

How old is Logan?  I'd say 60 at the minimum.  He was an adult in WWII, so he
had to of been born before 1915.  The problem comes in when you say the
current year is 1992.  Remember that Marvel time started about 1962, and has
only progresssed about 7 (I'm fuzzy here, correct if wrong) years.  So until
all ages are retconned earlier ala Batman and Superman, we could say that
Logan is about 54 at the minimum.  Personally, I wish that Marvel would
either reset the Marvel date to 1970, or retcon all origins as happening
x years ago, where x is a constant for the rest of time.  I think that
keeping calander and sticking to it would be a neat idea - I don't need to
have present events, people, and dates messing with the storyline.  While
I'm bitching :-), I also wish that the characters would start hanging out in 
street clothes a little more.  If the kiddies can't tell them apart, get 
another writer who can do the job.

Jon Purvis
jrp3935@tamsun.tamu.edu
From: dlangend@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Darryl M Langenderfer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Last X-men Annual (#15, I think)
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:20:50 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article...

            <stuff deleted>

>    For a while (X-men 250-280), Lorna has the ability to absorb
>"negative emotions" and turn it into physical power (strength/invulnerability)
.
>As a result of her drawing out the negative emotions, people started acting
>more "negative."  That's why Moira MacTaggart was acting more like a
>leather queen instead of her normal self.  In #280, the X-folks save Lorna
>from the Shadow King and she goes back to her normal power set.
                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Though I just stared reading the X-titles again this June I have gone back
and got caught up yet, so when you say her normal power set, I take it you
mean Mamatism powers.  Because the last time i saw her she was in South
America and the Larna "psyche" was in "conflict" with the Malice "psyche".
Just thought i would ask for clarifaction of her powers, your talking about.

                --D.
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From: fsthc@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: UPSTARTS?!         
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:54:01 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.211437.9904@honte.uleth.ca>, proct_hately@hg.uleth.ca (Kintair of Hawkehaven MKA Bill Hately) writes:
> Hello People, someone commented that Wolvie had to be 60 years old, I believe
> that he is MUCH older then that, a couple of points:
> First He was old enough to Be in WWII (ok so this was a bit contrived)
> Second His Untrustworthy memory keeps flashing back to a time where he Work
> buckskins and Worked for the Hudsons Bay Company, now granted the Bay is still
> around, but the the people who work there no longer wear bucksins (and carry
> Rifles) I'd say that he has to be closer to 100 min. - Even Alberta wasn't that
> Wild after 1900 (after the late 1800s actually) - of course we are talking
> American writers here and some of them think we still wander around in
> dogsleds.  Reasons to be old enough to fight in WWII He would have to have been
> born no later then 1925 (probably earlier), to work for the Bay wearing the
> style of clothing they portray doing the things he's supposed to have done
> would bump that back to at least the 1890s  (of course we are talking comics
> here so anything is possible, hell they figure we have STATE Parks in Canada)
> anyway thats my opinion, of Wolvies supposed age (even though he was really
> born in the 70s)
> Kintair of Hawkehaven          | Bill Hately   | Talk (403) 381-1741
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> Crown Principality of Avacal   | Canada        | Smile Dammit
> An Tir (I wouldn't dream of subjecting any corp. or Educational Institution to
>         these opinions, so they certainly aren't the opinions of the UofL)
>   (And I'm not an officer of the SCA so I can't have an official opinion There
>               - even if I wanted to )
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 14:20:15 -0400 
From: Harith Jameel Alkhafiz <ha09+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Why don't they

In response to the disappearance of Iceman's regulator belt, his card in the
X-Men cards says that he finally got control over his increased powers and no
longer needs the belt.  I think that Jim Lee just didn't want to draw the thing.
:-)

###
9 9
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Jameel
Physicist-At-Large
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Subject: Re: UXMEN #292
From: <ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 27 Jul 1992 11:48:00 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

=========================================================================
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Monday, 27 Jul 1992 11:28:26 EDT
From: <ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: UX-Men #292

In article <ROBI.92Jul22102753@raven.bacchus.esa.oz.au>, robi@bacchus.esa.oz.au
(Robi Karp) says:
>
>: I feel that they made a mistake in
>: being ambiguous about Gambit being Lebeau "The Witness". Considering that
>: Bishop was trained by this witness after the betrayal and knew him well, how
>: could he not recognize a younger version of Lebeau in X-men #8?
>
>Where's the ambiguity. It seems perfectly clear to me. Gambit survived
>the "Death of the X-Men" and is Bishop's time is known as "The
>Witness". In any case, Bishop's timeline is now an alternate timeline,
>not the Real Thing, Jubilee _isn't_ the last X Man etc... so anything
>that Gambit may or may not have done in Bishop's timeline is kind of
>academic. Situations may have been _very_ different.
>
  In X-men #8, when Bishop was being introduced to the team, he recognized
 Gambit and called him by the Witness name Lebeau, to which Gambit
 responded angrily about someone saying his name and they were about to
 fight. Regardless of whatever may have happened in the future, that scene
 did make it clear that Gambit is the Witness. Interestingly there was
 an ongoing thread about who the witness was at the time and when that
 issue came out, that thread was dropped.
       Now, according to the letter page, they are saying that Gambit
 may or may not be the witness when X-men #8 cleared that up...


                                                    Al