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From: lrxi00@icts01.Kodak.COM (James Nonnemacher)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Trapping wild birds  Was: Re: raptor trapping season...
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:48:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co

Pardon my ignorance on this subject, but I thought you needed a license from the FEDS and your state to
trap wild, especially migratory birds. I also thought any birds of prey used in falconing came from
captive bred stock.

As for the issue of capturing wild birds for captive breeding and future reintroduction, I see nothing
wrong with that -- so long as precautions are made to see that we don't get an new population that has
been overly inbred, and that its environment has been cleaned up or made as safe as possible so that
we aren't putting this animals back into killing fields.
From: Joe.Morlan@f501.n914.z8.rbbs-net.ORG (Joe Morlan)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Help identifying bird.
Date: 4 Oct 92 01:48:06 GMT


     ***** On 10-02-1992, Terry S. collins wrote to All *****

TSC> It is usually in low shrubs never more than 8 or 10 feet
TSC> above the ground.  It is solid gray above(no stripes or wing
TSC> bands).  and light gray or white below and no streaks.  The
TSC> most noticeable feature are the brilliant yellow feathers
TSC> under the tail and a single bb sized tick of brilliant
TSC> yellow on each wing.  Afew appeared to have a blush of red on
TSC> the breast under the wing.

American Redstart.

--Joe Morlan, Albany, CA
Joe.Morlan@f28.n125.z1.fidonet.org.

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From: rising@zoo.toronto.edu (Jim Rising)
Subject: Old English Vernaculars for Birds
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:45:38 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

A couple that I havn't been able to confirm, but have been told are:
"Wilson's worm-eating fly-catching pileated Warbler" for Wilson's
Warbler (Wilsonia pusilla) and the "Brotherly-love Greenlet" for
the Philadelphia Vireo (Vireo philidelphicus). 
-- 
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From: marcone@math.psu.edu (Alberto Marcone)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: DC airport birding
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:43:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Bvo4Cx.Ew5
Reply-To: marcone@math.psu.edu
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Penn State University


It appears that on the afternoon of Oct 25 I will be stuck in the Washington
Dulles airport for about 7 hours on my way back from Italy. Is there any 
birding location that can be reached easily from there? I am afraid that by
then Daylight Saving Time will be over: since I should get in at 2:05pm,
allowing half an hour for custom and immigration, I will probably have a 
little more than three hours of light ahead of me. I won't leave until 9:35pm
(unless I can find a last-minute seat on an earlier plane!).

It is probably better if you e-mail suggestions directly to me, since I doubt
this is of general interest. Thanks in advance,

Alberto Marcone          marcone@math.psu.edu
From: Joe.Morlan@f501.n914.z8.rbbs-net.ORG (Joe Morlan)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Are you having a late, s
Date: 4 Oct 92 01:54:04 GMT


     ***** On 10-01-1992, Anthony L. Lang wrote to All *****

ALL> What have other people been seeing this fall? Is the
ALL> migration completely off in its numbers and timing? Are
ALL> there fewer hatch year birds than normal? Did a lot of birds
ALL> not breed and leave early? Did a lot of birds breed late and
ALL> leave late?

Migration here has been about normal.  Productivity was excellent
with lots of young birds, both migrants and resident species.
Raptor migration at Pt. Diablo is the best ever.  Shorebird
numbers are good and the numbers of juveniles about as expected
including high arctic species like Sanderling and Western
Sandpiper.

West Coast migrants are not as dependent on South American
wintering grounds as Eastern migrants.  That may be part of the
difference we see here.

--Joe Morlan, Albany, CA
Joe.Morlan@f28.n125.z1.fidonet.org.

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From: tony@zoo.toronto.edu (Anthony L. Lang)
Subject: Having a late, slow migration?
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:07:21 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

>
>Both spring and fall migration have been slow here (Las Vegas).
>At the Henderson Sewage Ponds (south of Vegas), we have had quite
>a few migratory shore birds.  So far I have seen Lesser Yellowlegs
>(Tringa flavipes), Semipalmated Plovers (Charadrius semipalmatus),
>Marbled Godwit (Limosa fedoa), Stilt Sandpiper (Micropalama
>himantopus), Pectoral Sandpipers (Calidris melanotos), Sanderlings
>(Calidris alba), Western Sandpipers (Calidris mauri), and Least
>Sandpipers (Calidris mintilla).  I saw most of these birds between
>the end of August and September.  Other bird watchers have seen
>Red Knots (Calidris canutus) and Black-bellied Plovers (Pluvialis
>squatarola) at the same ponds.  I wonder if it has been unusually
>warm this fall (it is still in the high '90's here) or if 
>a lot of habitat is being destroyed.
>
>
>Donna
>crail@nevada.edu

I think your shorebird migration has been slow because of
a widespread failure of high arctic birds to breed
because the spring thaw came far too late this year.  Most
low arctic shorebirds failed to breed or the young came off too
late to mature before freeze-up.  Even here in southern Ontario
below 45 degrees north latitude we had a May frost that killed
hundreds of swallows and swifts.  As matter of fact, the 
entire summer across Canada (except southwestern British
Columbia) has been the coldest in 100 years and also one of 
the wettest.
-- 
Anthony Lang
Dept. of Zoology, Univ. of Toronto
tony@zoo.utoronto.ca
From: winer@husc9.harvard.edu (Adam Winer)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Help identifying bird.
Date: 4 Oct 92 03:03:55 GMT

am229@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Terry S. Collins) writes:


>I have seen this small warbler type bird three times in the last two weeks.
>It is smaller than most warblers. I've seen it among black throated greens
>and chestnut sided warblers . It is usually in low shrubs never more than
>8 or 10 feet above the ground. It is solid gray above(no stripes or wing bands).
>and light gray or white below and no streaks. The most noticeable feature
>are the brilliant yellow feathers under the tail and a single bb sized tick
>of brilliant yellow on each wing. Afew appeared to have a blush of red on the 
>breast under the wing. 

>Any guesses?

Perhaps an immature fall-plumage female Yellow-rumped Warbler.
They would have just arrived.
-- 
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From: wvenable@algona.stats.adelaide.edu.au (Bill Venables)
Newsgroups: rec.birds,alt.activism,sci.bio
Subject: Re: Ban on Tropical Parrot, Other Wild Bird Imports Passes Congress
Date: 4 Oct 92 05:13:24 GMT
Organization: Department of Statistics, University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: algona.stats.adelaide.edu.au
In-reply-to: Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu's message of 1 Oct 92 23:56:31 GMT

>>>>> "Nigel" == Nigel Allen <Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu> writes:

Nigel> ...
Nigel>    The legislation would:
Nigel>  
Nigel> -- Place an immediate moratorium on importation of ten of the most
Nigel>       heavily traded and known threatened bird species which are
Nigel>       known to be threatened by continuing trade;

As a matter of interest, which are they?  Are any of the Australian
rarities on the list?  The ones of most concern would be the Golden
Shouldered parrot, the Hooded parrot, the Eclectus parrot and the
Scarlet-chested parrot, and perhaps a few others.

Does the ban extend to eggs as well?


--
___________________________________________________________________________
Bill Venables, Dept. of Statistics, | Email: venables@stats.adelaide.edu.au
Univ. of Adelaide, South Australia. | Tel: +61 8 228 5412  Fax: ...232 5670
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: Joe.Morlan@f501.n914.z8.rbbs-net.ORG (Joe Morlan)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Eurasian Widgeon in Bay
Date: 2 Oct 92 06:28:02 GMT


       ***** On 09-30-1992, Jeff Finger wrote to All *****

JF> Around sunset I was walking in Shoreline Park (Mountain
JF> View) next to the water by the pumphouse near the entrance
JF> at San Antonio Road and Terminal.  Along with American
JF> Widgeons, I saw what I believe to be several Eurasian
JF> Widgeons

An immature male Eurasian Wigeon was reported from nearby
Charleston Slough on 9/19 and an adult male was seen at Mountain
View Forebay (your locality) on 9/24.  These may have been the
same bird as Eurasian Wigeons don't usually achieve full plumage
until later in the fall, and the claim of an immature may have
been in error. Adult males can be told by their solid white upper
wing coverts.

What do you mean by "several"?  How many did you see.

JF>  --- the only duck in my bird book (Golden Nature Guide)
JF> whose color scheme seemed to match.  Particularly distinctive
JF> was the yellow stripe extending over the top of its head
JF> from its bluish bill.

In fresh fall plumage the American Wigeon male has a buff
(sometimes rich buff) crown stripe.  The buffy tips wear off by
midwinter resulting in the pure white color shown in most field
guides.

--Joe Morlan, Albany, CA
Joe.Morlan@f28.n125.z1.fidonet.org.

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From: lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky)
Subject: Re: Beluga whales at Shedd/Trapping of hawks
Keywords: Hysteria and overreaction will destroy the environmental movement.
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:44:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.212837.7739@midway.uchicago.edu> r0th@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>Please forgive me if this is perceived as a flame, because I do not
>intend it to be.  I should think that the Shedd Aquarium, which has
>a magnificent marine mammal presentation which shows the animals only
>in the most respectful fashion (unlike Sea World et al *shudder*), 
>and which has a very highly-regarded research and rescue/recovery
>program, might know a tiny bit more than an armchair ecologist whose

    Please don't post this stuff to news.misc!

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From: N.J.Lindsey@bradford.ac.uk (NJ LINDSEY)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Russian database problems?
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:42:59 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: s4084@mail
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5


  
 


  
Further to the correspondance on the subject of the russian database has anyone managed to contact the scientist concerned. I would be interested in contacting him as I am currently assisting in the compilation of the Oriental Bird Club's  checklist of the birds of the orient and I would like to discuss some of the    splits mentioned in Stepanyan's conspectus of the birds of the former Soviet    Union.

If any one is interest in The Oriental Bird Club, a useful source of information on the birds of the region, then please contact me at N.J.Lindsey              @UK.AC.Bradford.

Finally the Stone Curlew or Northern Thicknee (I can't remember the Latin name  used to be called Wailing Heath Chicken in the UK, most particularly Norfolk.

Nigel Lindsey
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: kjt34420@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kristin J. Thommes)
Subject: Re: Avian Anatomy
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:20:54 GMT
Keywords: Air passages in bones

rl@socrates.ucsf.edu (Robert Langridge) writes:

>It is an oft-quoted fact that the humerus in many birds is hollow and 
>has an air passage connected to the air sacs in the breathing mechanism.

>Is there any anatomical evidence for an extension of these air passages 
>beyond the humerus to the radius and/or ulna or even beyond?

>The texts I have checked make no mention of the possibility.  If you have 
>a pointer to a suitable reference it would be appreciated.

If you look in almost any veterinary anatomy book, they all have some
good pictures of the air sacs of the lungs and where they go.  The one 
we are using is by Dyce and is entitled Veterinary Anatomy.  They don't have
any "pictures" per se, but there are some line-drawings in the avain 
anatomy section.

--
From: chajek@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (chajek)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: REC.PETS.BIRDS NEWS NETWORK
Keywords: TO:  SCOTT HALL
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:12:05 GMT
Reply-To: chajek@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM ()
Organization: NCR Corporation, Wichita KS

You might enjoy posting to rec.pets.birds instead of rec.birds.  rec.birds
is for wild birds and wild bird fanciers.  rec.pets.birds is for pet
birds and their owners.  You'll get lots of needed info on rec.pets.birds.
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer)
Subject: Re: DAT Royalty - Only on blank tape?
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:28:03 GMT

znpt01@trc.amoco.com (Norman P. Tracy) writes:


>In article <1992Sep28.165922.5140@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
>> In article <Bv5pzu.DF5@encore.com>, mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer) writes:
>> |> Is the royalty only on blank tape?  What about pre-recorded tape?  If the
>> |> latter is not taxed, then TDK could just record a 1Khz tone on the first
>> |> 10 seconds of the tape - so now it's not blank - no royalty!
>> 
>> Better yet, why not put some demo songs on there and use the blank
>> as a sampler tape ?  Sony could put excerpts from upcoming
>> Sony/Columbia releases . They can promote new artists and save
>> consumers the royalty tax !

>Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Paul & Shiv you guys just don't get it. Why on earth would Sony risk
>incuring the wrath of whats left of the American recording industry
>and the Nippon bashing Congress when as owners of the former CBS
>records they get a big cut of the "tax"?  Anybody else notice how after
>the RIAA helped torpedo the launch of DAT the Japanese electroic giants
>started buying up record companies.  This is called covering all the bases,
>hardware and software.  Now Sony Tape can sell you the blank tape or
>MD and the US Treasury will help them transfer the royality tax funds
>to Sony Records.

Sony is one of MANY tape producers.  TDK, 3M, Maxell etc have no record
companies to worry about - If they did it - they'd all have to do it.
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: kimnach@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (GREG KIMNACH)
Subject: Re: DAT Royalty - Only on blank tape?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 30 Sep 1992 16:37 EST  

In article <1992Sep29.135930.25986@bilver.uucp>, bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) writes...
>In article <1992Sep28.161843@trc.amoco.com> znpt01@trc.amoco.com (Norman P. Tracy) writes:
> 
>>Sorry for the tone of this followup but this issue has me rather hot.
> 
>What's left of the American recording companies?  The Japanese only
>bought what was left after the Europeans had purchased the rest.

>There is no more "American recording industry".  And the last
>manufacturer of American pro-audio recorders was MCI - before Sony
>bought them. Otari having sealed the fate of Ampex after 3M had bowed
>out earlier.
> 
>A good deal of the publishing is also controlled/owned by foreign
>interests.  (I mean book publishing, not music)

And, yet, we continue to blame the Japanese for "buying up" America.  We 
forget the Europeans because they "look like" the majority of this country. 
We are a society of racist, short-sighted (e.g., little $ to r&d, unless it
guarentees a profit in 3 months!), idiots who'll sell their souls--and then 
blame the buyer!

Greg
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: gfl@hera.uucp (22402-lenahan)
Subject: Re: Golden Ears?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 16:36:55 GMT
Summary: answers

daw@cray.com (Dave Wright) writes:
> 
> Why does that AM car radio sound so good after weeks in the wilderness?

Enjoyable or sound good?
> 
> Why does a high end audio system sound better through an open door
> where you are outside the stereo image of the speakers?

It doesn't always, but I ffel that the attenuation of
high frequencies, which are generally distorted on recordings,
 is a net plus.
> 
> Who in this group can here if the speakers are reversed polarity?
>     what are these audible effects.
It's generally noticable only by comparison.  Dynamics change.
Listen to a drum solo to get the idea.
> 
> What if only one speaker has polarity reversed?

Gosh this is easy!
-no bass
-no image specificity
-extra wide, blurry soundstage
--no richness (loss of lower mids and upper bass, see above)
-incoherence of dynamics -they're out of phase!
> 
> Can you tell if your speakers are matched pair?

What do you mean?
> 
> Can you tell if the drivers are time aligned(phase coherent)?

How do you check?  Have the manufacturer make one pair each
with _NO_ other changes??? (this is impossible, BTW
since levels must now be compensated for differently)...
> 
> Is the flat response/ perfect measurement speaker really desired?
>              Sound production vs sound reproduction

See my observation above.  It clearly depends on
whether the quality of your originals is worth
_RE_-producing.
> 
> Why does a shower with terrible acoustics by sound reproduction standards
>      sound so good?
I don't think it does.  Do you like echos?
> 
> Dave Wright
Grant maybe wright, maybe wrong.


Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: shu@maestro.bellcore.com (Stephen Shu)
Subject: Re: DMX, DCC, psychoacoustics
Organization: Bellcore (Red Bank, NJ)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 13:41:27 GMT

My apologies if I have offended anyone or misinformed
anyone regarding DMX, DCC, or psychoacoustics.  I have
attempted to the best of my ability to clearly separate
my opinion from factual material.  I apologize for coming
out too strongly for any technology.  I also apologize
for coming out too strongly against any technology.
While I stand behind my opinions, I will withdraw
any further postings to the net regarding these subjects,
as it is clear to me that I have offended some people.
My apologies again.

Respectfully,
Steve Shu
Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.video,misc.consumers
From: pchi@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Eric Chi)
Subject: Re: Problems dealing with this mail order outfit
Keywords: Electronic Wholesalers, Mitsubishi U57 VCR 
Organization: SF-Bay Public-Access Unix
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 06:31:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.071317.25768@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dpunjabi@nyx.cs.du.edu (DINESH PUNJABI) writes:
>I recently purchased a Mitsubishi U57 VCR from Electronic Wholesalers,
>a New Jersey based mail order company. I was quoted $89 for a 5-year extended
>warranty on the unit by the salesperson.  I bought the extended warranty 
>on the unit but when I received the sales invoice it read 3-year warranty for
>$89 instead of 5-years. 
>
>I called the salesperson and he agreed to fix the problem. I asked him to
>be sure to send me a NEW INVOICE indicating the purchase of the 5-year
>warranty. The salesperson asked me to send a self-addressed stamped envelope
>and the old 3-year extended warranty contract.
>
>A few days later, I received the extended warranty from the mail order outfit
>and it did not contain a new invoice for the same. It was the same old 3-year
>warranty contract which was corrected to read 5-years instead of 3-years. The
>salesperson DID NOT even put any initials against the corrections ( I mean, I 
>could have very well changed the wording from 3-years to 5-years myself ).
>
>I am not sure what my rights are in this whole deal. I used my Mastercard to
>buy the unit. I mean, how can I accept a handwritten correction on an 
>extended warranty without having a proof of purchase for the same ?? Can I
>file a complaint with the BBB or the DA in NJ ?? Can MasterCard folks be of
>any help ?? Could the Video Magazine be of any help ?? ( I used the ads in 
>their magazine for this outfit to purchase this unit .. ) 
>
>YOUR EMAIL RESPONSES WILL BE HIGHLY APPRECIATED ...
>
>Rgds
>
>Dinesh

I had a similar problem with Smile Photo where I ordered a Sony portable
CD player. The CD player is advertised for $152.50. When I called in, they
say they want $164.95, plus 12.95 for shipping and handling. I took that
because the price is still good. I also ordered an casette adaptor which
the salesman told me it's made by Sony. When I finally received the CD,
I found they charged me $20.00 fro S&H, and the casette adaptor is made by
a third brand, and the earphone for the CD player looked used. ( I cannot
judge whether the CD player is brand new or old. I called in again and
the gentleman there asked me who said the S&H is $12.95 and the adaptor
is Sony,... He said he feel $19.95 is pretty reasonable for S&P. 
I felt so bad of being cheated. I called my VISA card company to get 
the difference back and I am planning to write a letter the the Small
Business Bureau in that area to complain.

Eric.
I

>
>--
>
>Dinesh Punjabi 
>dpunjabi@nyx.cs.du.edu                Work: (303)-595-2901


Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Is dbx better than Dolby C?
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 17:14:55 GMT

dbx is broad band compansion, Dolby narow band compansion.
dbx operates on the whole frequency spectrum, Dolby B only on
highs and Dolby C on several bands (high and mid I think).
If its not calibrated exactly right, dbx sucks big time since
you can hear pumping. If its done right though it is great and
with metal tape and a 3-head deck, approaches DAT.

Compatibility is the chief drawback. You can play back Dolby encoded
tapes on ordinary, unequipped decks and by fiddling with the tone
controls, it is listenable. dbx sounds pretty awful if you can't
decode it.

Witha 3-head machine like yours, with Dolby C and metal tape,
and for most program material, you are probably better off without
dbx. (Trust me - I have a Yamaha KX800U 3 head, B, C, HX pro, and
dbx, and its not worth the hassle. I do use dbx for mastering
sometimes but I'll be getting a DAT soon ... :-)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: jimd@m2xenix.psg.com (Jim Dorman)
Subject: Review sought:  Pioneer 3-cart. CD deck
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:30:41 GMT

I'm looking for info. on Pioneer's CD deck (model unknown) that has 3 6-disc
cartridge capacity.  If anyone has a model #, review, or knows of other
manufacturers who are building multi-cartridge decks, please let me know.  Thanks.