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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Nets don't match, Terry Mills -> Pistons!
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:39:06 GMT

In article <BvIEq0.42v@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
 
>jte@beefheart.cc.columbia.edu (Jeff Eldredge) writes:
>
>>As for the Mills deal....being a Nets fan, I'm sorry to see him go.  He
>>offered a lot of support from the bench and his absence will clearly place
>>a heavier importance on Coleman staying healthy (Mills started 24 games,
>>most at power forward).  However, $2 million is too much for a guy who is
>>not a quick defender and can't really run the floor.  It's beyond me how
>>in the world he bought that hogwash from Isaiah Thomas about how the
>>Pistons are looking towards a youthful future.  The Pistons are a bunch of
>>old men.  Mills made a mistake by leaving one of the up and coming teams
>>in the NBA..
 
With Mills and 2-3 #1 picks on the way, how can you say that?
If they don't start getting more young players, then sure they are too old,
but how the heck will they get younger if they don't start somewhere?
 
>        I think Mills' decision had to do with the fact that the Pistons are
>        in Detroit.  Mills grew up and played HS ball in Romulus, which is
>        a suburb of Detroit.  He then played his college ball at Michigan,
>        which again was close to home.  Playing in Detroit keeps him close
>        to home, and mom's good cooking (which we all know Mills will gladly
>        take advantage of!  :)  ).  He's getting $2 million, and he can live
>        at home w/ the folks (kinda like a college student living at home!).
>        I don't think it really has much to do w/ the team situation...
 
Yeah, and the Pistons only made the offer to get back at Daly, but it
backfired. Right.
 
Yesterday's New York Times had a big article about how Mills wanted to
stay with the Nets becuz he thought the Pistons were over the hill. It was
after a meeting with Isiah Thomas that he became convinced of the Pistons'
desire to rebuild with younger players and decided he wanted to leave
the Nets.
 
Things like playing close to home (which is where he has lived all along BTW)
and playing to cheers of Michigan basketball fans are just icing on the cake.
(pardon the reference to food ;-)  )
 
--Eric
From: v085f2wd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Theodore J Kury)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: What the hell happend to the CAP! (Re: Magic signs $14.6M)
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:38:00 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>1) The Lakers shouldn't own the rights to Magic.  The signing of Threat
>   was only made possible by Magic leaving.  And now they can have him
>   back for free?  If you want some extra money under the cap, have a
>   player or two retire, sign someone under free agency and then have
>   those players come out of retirement.  Apparently retired players
>   can be brought back without counting against the cap.

Someone has already pointed out that Magic never retired. A retired player
couldn't sit on the Laker bench. Magic was on the basketball version of the
injured reserve. He is simply healthy now. Free agents can't be given contract
extensions, just contracts.

>2) Even if the Lakers are entitled to Magic's services (which I don't
>   think they are), they should still have to sign him under the cap.
>   If the Lakers are over the cap (which I imagine they are) that would
>   mean giving him the league minimum.  Period.  OK, so maybe you can
>   argue he's entitled to the other half of his salary they weren't using
>   on Threat.

One year contract extensions are exempt from the cap (this salary doesn't kick
in until 1994-95, remember).

>That's the best they should have been able to do.  Where the Hell is 14.6M
>come from.  That's more than the Cap for any single team, isn't it?
>This thing is a complete pile of shit.

Magic has played for $2.5 million/season for ten years and never - to the best
of my knowledge - griped about it. He has made Jerry Buss a pile of money. 
"This thing" is a really big thank-you note.

>Harry Koehnemann
>koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu

Ted Kury v085f2wd@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
"No funny tag-lines, just good, clean fun."
From: davidy@sumax.seattleu.edu (Stimpson J. Cat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: KEVIN DUCKWORTH - 00 -
Date: 26 Sep 92 08:53:14 GMT
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

In article <5197@sumax.seattleu.edu> davidy@sumax.seattleu.edu (Stimpson J. Cat) writes:
>center than Kevin Duckworth, and I'll explain why. I also feel Phoenix' Andrew
								^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Lang is at least equal to Duckworth, but not following their team as closely
i^^^^^^^^^^^
>I'll leave it up to Phoenix fans to defend/reject the idea Lang is Duckworth's
>equal.


	I erred. Andrew Lang, is, of course, no longer with the Suns. It's
Mark West to the best of my knowledge, and while I think he too is a equal
talent to Duckworth, I'll quit while I'm ahead, and let someone else show that
he is/isn't Duckworth's equal.



				David L. Yee
			email to:davidy@sumax.seattleu.edu
From: ucda@toontown.uucp (Chris Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: 1992-1993 NBA.C PROGRAM IS HERE!
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:29:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: toontown.1992Sep29.162928.25366
Organization: The Department For Doing Departmental Things

heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser) writes:
>
>How do you print the schedule for 1 team?  Last year's version did it, but
>this one doesn't appear to have that feature.

The version which printed a teams schedule was one I hacked together from
last years original posting and re-posted to the net.  So the original
program never had that ability (I'm kind of disappointed it wasn't included
in this years version).  Anyway, I've re-implemented the hack for this
years version and it seems to work pretty well.  If there is enough 
interest I will post it.

-- 
Chris Andersen (..!uunet!sequent!toontown!chris)

"...the only thing worse than being hurt is being bored." -- Daniel Mocsny
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Nets don't match, Terry Mills -> Pistons officially!
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:10:04 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1687380CD.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>They must have been incredible clippings. Mills led Michigan to the NCAA
>title in '89.

Well yes Mills was on that team, but I wouldn't exactly say he "led" that
team. Rice was the star, and Rumeal Robinson was a bigger factor than
Mills too. Hell Loy Vaught played nearly as big a role at Terry did, and
Loy might actually be a better player now in the NBA for a fraction of 
terry's salary.

BTW, Terry was rated #2 in the country out of highschool behind another
disappointment, JR Reid. Mills spent his whole college career being 
expected to produce and not doing. As a sophomore they chalked it up
to rust because he sat out his first year because of rop 48. As a junior
they chalked it up to his weight. His senior year was by far his best,
but it wasn't anything special.

Mills is a decent player, but I really don't see why the Pistons gave
him that much, if I were the Nets I would have called a press conference
they day he signed his offer sheet and presented him with a Piston
uniform and a plane ticket to Detroit. Coleman is a much better player,
and if they paid Mills that much, you just know Derrick would want a
new contract.

>He'll be big, alright. :) At least he has some kind of inside game.
>If Rodman stays, Mills presence may allow Dennis to switch to small
>forward when necessary.

Mills can score a bit, but he's always been soft because he's never
been in shape. If he was really at 274, nothing has changed. My gut
feeling is he's their insurance should Rodman retire or demand a 
trade, and he can't fill Dennis' shoes.

Russ Smith
From: lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Underestimating the Lakers, again
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:47:31 GMT
Organization: UCLA Artificial Intelligence Laboratory

Everybody keeps saying "Even with Magic back, the Lakers won't go anywhere."

We've heard it all before.  Since 1986 we've been hearing it.

The Lakers won't win the Pacific Division.  Big deal.  But when it comes
playoff time, they will be very serious contenders.  If Magic and
most of the rest of the team remains healthy, more likely than not,
you can look for them in the Finals.

The may not be able to get past the Bulls, but you can bet the farm
they'll get past Portland.  Magic and the Lakers have always had their
number.  The new Suns may be a wildcard, but there's no history of winning
there, either.  Forget about the rest of the West in the playoffs.

People simply don't realize how potentially strong this team is.

With Magic back to kick his ass and get him the ball, Vlade goes from
being an inconsistent and mediocre center to being one of the top-flight
centers in the league (see Conference Finals and Finals, 1991) -- and
certainly one of the best centers on a serious championship contender.

Sedale Threatt provides the one major thing the 1991 team was missing:
a very solid backup for Magic.

And don't underestimate the impact of acquiring James Edwards.  Buddha
can still play.

The key is whether Worthy can come back to his pre-injury form, and
if everybody can remain reasonably healthy.

If so, watch out come June.

- Trent Lange

-- 
*************************************************************************
*                             Bravo, Magic.                             *
*************************************************************************
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From: jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele)
Subject: Re: Underestimating the Lakers, again
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 220-0636
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 03:41:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.004731.19148@cs.ucla.edu> lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange) writes:
>Everybody keeps saying "Even with Magic back, the Lakers won't go anywhere."
>
>We've heard it all before.  Since 1986 we've been hearing it.

This isn't 1986.  This is 1992.  Check your sundial.

>The Lakers won't win the Pacific Division.  Big deal.  But when it comes
>playoff time, they will be very serious contenders.  If Magic and
>most of the rest of the team remains healthy, more likely than not,
>you can look for them in the Finals.
>
>The may not be able to get past the Bulls, but you can bet the farm
>they'll get past Portland.  Magic and the Lakers have always had their
>number.  The new Suns may be a wildcard, but there's no history of winning
>there, either.  Forget about the rest of the West in the playoffs.

Ah, you bleed Laker Blue.  OK.  Not only will the Lakers not win the
Pacific Division, they won't even be close.  If they edge into the
playoffs at all, which I doubt they will, it will be in the eighth slot 
again.  There they'll run into the revitalized Blazer team, and it's time
for Duckworth's mom to sing.  (Actually she's not that fat, but you get
the idea.)

>People simply don't realize how potentially strong this team is.

"Don't think this team is potentially strong" would be closer to the
mark.  If they play to their best of abilities all season, they'll get
knocked out in the first round.  If they don't play that well in the
season, they're not going to make the playoffs.

>With Magic back to kick his ass and get him the ball, Vlade goes from
>being an inconsistent and mediocre center to being one of the top-flight
>centers in the league (see Conference Finals and Finals, 1991) -- and
>certainly one of the best centers on a serious championship contender.

Gag.  The idea that Divac is one of the best centers just goes to show
how puny the center talent in the NBA is right now.  And we'll see how
well the Lakers respond to Magic.  Elden Campbell was supposed to be
pissed off by Magic ordering him around.  

>Sedale Threatt provides the one major thing the 1991 team was missing:
>a very solid backup for Magic.

How about an off-guard?  Scott's been too streaky for too many years, 
and you'd only have to say one bad thing about Teagle's momma to get him
tossed.  OK, Threatt can play both guards (and probably will have to),
but look at the guards on Portland, Phoenix, Golden State.  A.C. is a
warrior, Perkins has long arms and good outside shot, etc.  

Magic has incredible basketball knowledge and a great grasp of court
psychology.  He's like having a coach on the floor.  Problem is, we
don't know if the Lakers (or Phoenix or San Antonio) have a coach on the
bench.  We can give Pfund and Westphal and Tarkanian the benefit of the
doubt, and say they'll try their best, but we don't know what they can
do with an NBA team.


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From: bewillia@mothra.syr.EDU (Col. Devon McKnight)
Subject: Re: Magic's reappearing act
Organization: Syracuse University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 14:15:55 EDT

In article <56373@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>In article <97306@bu.edu> sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn) writes:
>>
>>The discussion raises the question: has anyone before Magic returned to
>>NBA after an official retirement?
>i
>Dave Cowens did.

	So did Bob Cousy, who, for some ungodly reason, decided to un-retire
and play the point for the Cincinatti Royals, whom he was coaching.  He 
averaged a sparkling 0.7 points, and 1.4 assists in 7 games.
	Cowens was more successful, with 8.1 points and just under 7 boards
in 40 games.  
	More recently, Sidney Moncrief came out of retirement to play for the
Hawks.  
>
>Russ Smith

				- Dev
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Tuesday, 29 Sep 1992 09:07:32 PST
From: Thomas Hyer <IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Street & Smith predictions

In article <1992Sep18.125248.612@brtph560.bnr.ca>, markham@brtph600.bnr.ca
(Andrew Markham P205) says:
>
>Just got my copy of the Street & Smith's Pro Basketball issue.  Hooraahhh!!
>
>Central
>-------
>1. Chicago Bulls -- big surprise
>2. Cleveland Cavaliers
>3. Charlotte Hornets -- WOW!!!
>4. Atlanta Hawks                        `WOW!!'?  Because Charlotte is
>5. Indiana Pacers                         ahead of Atlanta?
>6. Detroit Pistons
>7. Milwaukee Bucks
>
  I don't think Charlotte is that much of a surprise.  They
were so bad for so long that most teams would have moved to
Dallas :); now they seem to be composed entirely of high
Lottery picks.
 Gill/Johnson/Curry/Mourning is an extremely solid nucleus,
even is Muggsy plays point.  There's some serious young talent
on that team.  My pick for `Team of the 90's.'

Tom Hyer
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From: tim@kudzu.viewlogic.com (Tim Foster)
Subject: Re: Selfish
Originator: tim@kudzu
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:31:56 GMT


In article <BvpK94.D7J@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
|> tim@kudzu.viewlogic.com (Tim Foster) writes:
|> >If you expected this article to be about Magic, you're right.
|> 
|> >I believe that what Magic is doing is very selfish.   I continue to
|> >have little respect for the man.  Why?  Not because of the money.  If
|> >the Lakers are foolish enough to pay him, that's their problem.  It is
|> >a business transaction for both parties, from which both stand to 
|> >profit.  But because I believe he is putting himself before all the 
|> >other players in the league.  Magic has a disease which is fatal to all
|> >who contract it.  The way that this disease is communicated is through
|> >blood.  Although the odds are probably pretty low, there still remains
|> >a chance that some contact with Magic might cause blood to flow.  Teeth
|> >can easilty break through someone's skin if hard contact is made.  That
|> >is the nature of the game of basketball, especially in the NBA.  Anyone
|> >who denies that this is a possibility is just fooling themselves.  If 
|> >Magic was concerned about his peers, he would not put them in the 
|> >situation where they are threatened.  I know most of his peers say that
|> >they support Magic, and that's great.  But it would still be the "right"
|> >thing to do for Magic not to risk their lives, just for his own 
|> >happiness.
|> 
|> 	This thing I think everyone has to realize is that Magic has not
|> 	been diagnosed w/ AIDS as of yet.  He has the HIV virus, which means
|> 	the deadly AIDS virus has not yet developed.  While the chances are
|> 	that Magic may develop the disease, he hasn't yet.  Meanwhile,
|> 	research is currently searching for a cure.  Who knows, they may find
|> 	a vaccine yet.  

Regardless of whether or not he has AIDs yet, there has yet to be a case
of the HIV virus that did not eventually turn into full blown AIDs.  He 
is still a carrier of that virus, and thus has the potential of transmitting
it to others.

|> 	Besides, the arguement has been brought up many times that perhaps
|> 	Magic isn't the only person in the NBA w/ HIV/AIDS.  Magic wasn't
|> 	the only one who used to live that lifestyle..
|> 
|> 	Jazzy J

I wouldn't be surprised if there were others.  However, my comments were
solely on Magic's selfishness to continue to play the game, even though
he is endangering his peers.  If others know they have the virus and 
continue to play the game and endanger their peers, I feel the same way
about them.
-- 

Tim Foster 
E-mail: tfoster@viewlogic.com
From: ravi@wti.com (Ravi Raj)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic un-retires
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:15:00 GMT
Organization: Wavefront Technologies Inc, Santa Barbara, CA
X-Disclaimer: Not a spokesperson for Wavefront Technologies, Inc.

In article <1992Sep30.140558.20971@ll.mit.edu> nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith) writes:
>of course, now, the right thing to do is to have Larry Bird's number
>hoisting on Jan.31 when the Lakers are in Boston, so that Magic can
>be there for the ceremony.  how strange life is....
>
>- nate

And then the following season, Bird inspired by Magic un-retires 
himself. Meanwhile, Magic says enough is enough and he re-retires!
And sure enough, Bird will be at the ceremony to re-retire Magic's 
jersey! Yes, life can be strange at times!

:-)
From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: McCray on the Bulls
Date: 27 Sep 1992 00:17:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


McCray will be an excellent 6th man for Chicago.  In addition to his
tough defense and ability to move the ball around, he could play any position
in a pinch -- he played center in College so he could even fill in that
position in an emergency.  Perhaps his most important role is insurance. 
Let's face it, Jordan, Cartwright, Paxon are all getting up there in age.  If
anyone should happen to be injured, McCray could give the Bulls quality
minutes as a starter, which he has been his entire career.  So, Phil Jackson
would have a better chance of patching things up in the event of Pippen 
missing 20 games, for instance.  Face it, the Bulls have been miraculously
lucky in injuries for the last few years, it can't last forever, especially
with aging players.  McCray is just one more piece of insurance.

Miike
-- 
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From: bewillia@mothra.syr.EDU (Col. Devon McKnight)
Subject: Re: Are the Knicks *really* going to be that good???
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 16:21:33 EDT

In article <Bv3yp4.Lyz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>
>>Especially given the Knicks style of play (aggressive defense, physical 
>>game), and the fact that they don't have a real PG that can play full time
>>yet, unless Anthony turns out.  On the Clippers, with Greg Grant playing
>						       ^^^^^^^^^^
>
>	Just a nit-pic -- U must mean Gary Grant, late of Michigan.  Greg
>	Grant is a 5'7" point guard, who's journeyed his way around the
>	NBA.  I believe he's with Philly as we speak?

	He played with Philly last year, but is hanging around the CBA, for
at least the beginning of this year.  I saw his name sail across the tranny
wire, involved in a CBA trade.  I don't have the paper in front of me, so I'm
not sure of the teams involved.

				- Devv


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From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: Re: Success in small markets
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:19:37 GMT

This definately not cool from a business perspective.  Its sad but the more
the Chicago's, LA's, New York's win the more the league will flourish
financially and the more games we will be able to see on tv.  If you want
to watch small markets do well I'de suggest baseball. Toronto, Pittsburgh,
Atlanta and Oakland will probably be in the playoffs.  Of course with the
six or seven people that will actually sit through this the sport should
flourish.

andy
From: fzchen@othello.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: KEVIN DUCKWORTH - 00 -
Date: 27 Sep 92 07:05:23 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Whoops. Forgot to include the article.  Anyway, as for Duckworth vx. 
Benjamin and think one stat says why I'll take hime over Benjamin any
day.  Games played: Duckworth, 82 --> Benjamin, 63.  Thats almost
25% of the regular season.  Its also the difference between 50 wins
and 40 wins.

Duck vs. Lang. Just watch the Phoenix games.  Duck outplayed Lang and
West consistently.

-MeatHead
From: prabu@cs.utexas.edu (Prabu Muthu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Anthony Avent
Date: 6 Oct 1992 14:28:49 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: sage.cs.utexas.edu

In article <ld1iu0INNgql@priddy.cs.utexas.edu> wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward) writes:
>Who has the rights to Anthony Avent? 
>Rick


Avent was signed by the Bucks at the end of last season, and is expected to play a major
role in Dunleavy's rebuilding efforts.  He's going to play center (backup until Moses
retires, which might be about ten years from now) and power forward.  

Prabu


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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: Scottie Brooks Info (was Re: Rockets Trade)
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 23:42:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.205145.24560@cc.gatech.edu> joshuab@cc.gatech.edu (Joshua Bleier) writes:

>In article <1992Sep26.180848.26598@cs.yale.edu> tseng-neill@CS.YALE.EDU
>(Neill Tseng) writes:
>>I just read that the Minnesota Timberwolves have traded guard Scott Brooks to
>>the Houston Rockets for a 1995 second-round draft choice.  Anyone have any
>>info on Brooks?
>>
>
>Well, he's an Anteater from UC Irvine (known to many UCI alumni
>as "UC Bovine"; god we thought we were clever) with a few mediocre
>seasons under his belt. I believe he's been averaging about 5-7 ppg
>through his 4 year career. APG are around 3-4 if memory serves.

     Additional info on Scotty Brooks:  he's a shrimpy lookig 5'10"
white guy.  When he was with the 76ers, he tried to check into the
team hotel, saying he was a player with the team.  The hotel clerk
said, "Yeah, right.  And I'm Charles Barkley."
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