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From: johne@vcd.hp.com (John Eaton)
Newsgroups: or.general,pdx.general,sqnt-public.msgs
Subject: Re: Water Wasters On Parade
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:12:03 GMT
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Ed Wright {Sys Admin Wienie} (edw@sequent.com) wrote:
: 
: I went by Beaver Creek Last night and noticed that the sprinklers were
: flowing over soggy emerald green sod.
: 
: THis seems real real wrong.
: 
: I would suggest that a phone calling, letter writing campaign is in
: order, both to the local gubmint, and to the offenders !
: 
: I would rather have a drink in Oct than have a green lawn in August !
:
-----------------------
Does Beaver Creek draw water from Bull Run?  Can it supply water into
the Bull Run System? If not then it makes no sense at all for them to
ration. When the Midwest was withering under a 50 year drought in the 80's
did you cut back in your water usage? That would have been about as effective.

Portland is suffering because the population grew and the water system didn't.
Those areas that had the luck or forsight not the make the same mistake owe
nothing to Portland.

Suppose you sold your house in the country and moved to within biking distance
of work. If we were hit with a severe gas shortage then your commuting 
coworkers would have a hard time making it to work. Would you feel like 
suffering with them because they failed to make the same choice that you did?


John Eaton
!hp-vcd!johne

 
Newsgroups: or.general
From: rolf@kentrox.uucp (Rolf Hahn)
Subject: Yellow Jackets
Organization: ADC Kentrox, Portland OR
Distribution: or
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:13:15 GMT




Does anyone have a good remedy to remove an underground nest of
yellow jackets.  Yea I suppose I could go at night and dump a whole
lot of insecticide down their hole, but their hole is right near
our vegetable garden and I would like to find a non toxic solution
for their demise.  I must have gotten too close to their nest the
other day (about 5 feet away) because I got stung seven times.  Is
it because of our mild winter that there seems to be many more this
summer?
Thanks

Rolf Hahn           643-1681
ADC Kentrox  

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From: johne@tule.intel.com (john elliott)
Subject: Re: Water Wasters On Parade
Reply-To: johne@tule.intel.com (john elliott)
Organization: Software Technology Group, Intel Corp.
Distribution: pnw
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:44:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.052608.28584@swmerc.rain.com>,
ralph@swmerc.rain.com (Ralph Merwin) writes:
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> From: ralph@swmerc.rain.com (Ralph Merwin)
> Subject: Re: Water Wasters On Parade
> Message-ID: <1992Aug21.052608.28584@swmerc.rain.com>
> Organization: Merwin Software Services, Inc.
> References: <1992Aug20.201405.15204@sequent.com> <BtAz05.4yK@vcd.hp.com>
> Distribution: pnw
> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 05:26:08 GMT
> 
> In article <BtAz05.4yK@vcd.hp.com> johne@vcd.hp.com (John Eaton) writes:
> >Ed Wright {Sys Admin Wienie} (edw@sequent.com) wrote:
> >: 
> >: I went by Beaver Creek Last night and noticed that the sprinklers were
> >: flowing over soggy emerald green sod.
> >: 
> >-----------------------
> >Does Beaver Creek draw water from Bull Run?  Can it supply water into
> >the Bull Run System? If not then it makes no sense at all for them to
> >ration. When the Midwest was withering under a 50 year drought in the 80's
> >did you cut back in your water usage? That would have been about as
effective.
> >
> >Portland is suffering because the population grew and the water
system didn't.
> >Those areas that had the luck or forsight not the make the same mistake owe
> >nothing to Portland.
> 
> What I don't understand is why Portland doesn't insist that Washington
> county take over all water users within it's boundaries?  Large portions
> of Washington county are fed from the Bull Run system.  If there's so
> much water in the Trask/Cascades, why can't the water companies change
> over and leave the Bull Run system to the Portland users?  This may force
> brown lawns in Beaverton/Hillsboro (Horrors! :-) ), but at least it would
> take some of the preassure off the Bull Run system.
> 
> Ralph
> -- 
> -------- DOS Windows - The worst plague ever let loose upon humans --------
> Ralph Merwin               ralph@swmerc.rain.com               503-526-8647

Simple: 
Portland makes monel selling Bull Run Water.  They would rather have
restrictions than to 
buy it from Hillsboro or any other distric that has enough water.
John Elliott
From: nabil@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Aaron Nabil)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Re: Yellow Jackets
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:09:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: qiclab.1992Aug19.080934.25478
Distribution: or
Organization: Explosive Space Modulators - R - Us

nelsonm@leela.cs.orst.edu (Michael Nelson) writes:
>In <1992Aug17.231315.7097@kentrox.uucp> rolf@kentrox.uucp (Rolf Hahn) writes:
>>Does anyone have a good remedy to remove an underground nest of
>>yellow jackets.  Yea I suppose I could go at night and dump a whole
>>lot of insecticide down their hole, but their hole is right near
>>our vegetable garden and I would like to find a non toxic solution
>>for their demise.  I must have gotten too close to their nest the
>>other day (about 5 feet away) because I got stung seven times.  Is
>>it because of our mild winter that there seems to be many more this
>>summer?
>
>I would guess that pouring liquid nitrogen down there hole would do
>a good job of killing the nest with the extreme cold, and probably
>displacing the oxygen.  

I would suggest licencing a 20 curie gamma source from the NRC (very
reasonably priced, BTW) and burying it next to the nest.  It would make all
of their little hairs fall off and then they would freeze to death in
the cold night air, and you wouldn't need the liquid nitrogen at all.

My Heliose's Helpful Hints book suggests running a 200kv line from your
local utility company to opposite ends of your yard and just electrocuting
them to death.  Ha!  Talk about silly and impractical, just think of
how much all that electricity would cost!  Better stick with the
common household stuff like the liquid nitrogen and the PU-239.

Hope this helps.

-- 
Aaron
nabil@cse.ogi.edu
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From: kirk@sequent.com (Kirk Woods)
Subject: Re: Water Wasters On Parade      
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: pnw
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 20:54:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.201405.15204@sequent.com> edw@sequent.com (Ed Wright {Sys Admin Wienie}) writes:
>
>I went by Beaver Creek Last night and noticed that the sprinklers were
>flowing over soggy emerald green sod.
>
>I have noticed the same thing a the Asian grocery on Cedar Hill near
>radio shack.
>
>I called the water co, took four trys to get to someone who knew anything.
>
>I was told that Beaver Creek is not under Restriction, although it has
>been suggested that they comply anyway.
>That some folks have closed First Tech Accounts because of the quality
>of the lawn.
>And that some folks get thier water from the Coastal range, and they 
>have no restrictions.  Becaus that resevoir still has a bit in it.
>
>THis seems real real wrong.

I see nothing wrong with this.  When your water resevoir is in the
Coast Range, it is not dependent on snow pack and thus it is designed
to hold enough water for the people who use it.  If this water is not
used, it will just be released to flow into the river this winter.

>
>I would suggest that a phone calling, letter writing campaign is in
>order, both to the local gubmint, and to the offenders !
>
>I would rather have a drink in Oct than have a green lawn in August !
>
>Ed
>
>
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From: joelc@bionette.cgrb.orst.edu (Joel Corcoran)
Subject: Radio Talk Show
Organization: Biological Computing Consortium, OSU, Corvallis, OR.
Distribution: cor
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:43:29 GMT



	On Thursday, August 13th, KBVR-FM radio will present a
	special two-hour edition of the Public Affairs talk show.

	The topic will be:  "The American Heritage Party:  How 
	the OCA is Changing the Face of Oregon Politics."

	I and Jason Thorpe will host the show.  Guests scheduled
	to be in the studio are
		
		Lon Mabon, from the American Heritage Party
		Jean Smith, from the Human Rights Coalition

	This will be a call-in show from 8:00 to 10:00pm.  So tune
	in to KBVR-FM 88.7, give us a call at 737-4962, and let 
	your voice be heard on the airwaves!
From: nelsonm@leela.cs.orst.edu (Michael Nelson)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Re: Yellow Jackets
Date: 19 Aug 92 05:27:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Aug19.052745.29821
Distribution: or
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

In <1992Aug17.231315.7097@kentrox.uucp> rolf@kentrox.uucp (Rolf Hahn) writes:


I would guess that pouring liquid nitrogen down there hole would do
a good job of killing the nest with the extreme cold, and probably
displacing the oxygen.  

>Does anyone have a good remedy to remove an underground nest of
>yellow jackets.  Yea I suppose I could go at night and dump a whole
>lot of insecticide down their hole, but their hole is right near
>our vegetable garden and I would like to find a non toxic solution
>for their demise.  I must have gotten too close to their nest the
>other day (about 5 feet away) because I got stung seven times.  Is
>it because of our mild winter that there seems to be many more this
>summer?
>Thanks

>Rolf Hahn           643-1681
>ADC Kentrox  
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From: edw@sequent.com (Ed Wright {Sys Admin Wienie})
Subject: Re: Water Wasters On Parade      
Organization: Orygun Society For HUman Rustabillity Assessment
Distribution: pnw
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 20:16:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.201405.15204@sequent.com> edw@sequent.com (Ed Wright {Sys Admin Wienie}) writes:
%
%I went by Beaver Creek Last night and noticed that the sprinklers were
%flowing over soggy emerald green sod.

TV Water 642-1151

Portland WAter 796-3166

Beaverton WAter 526-2257

RAISE HELL !
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From: edw@sequent.com (Ed Wright {Sys Admin Wienie})
Subject: Water Wasters On Parade      
Organization: Orygun Society For HUman Rustabillity Assessment
Distribution: pnw
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 20:14:05 GMT


I went by Beaver Creek Last night and noticed that the sprinklers were
flowing over soggy emerald green sod.

I have noticed the same thing a the Asian grocery on Cedar Hill near
radio shack.

I called the water co, took four trys to get to someone who knew anything.

I was told that Beaver Creek is not under Restriction, although it has
been suggested that they comply anyway.
That some folks have closed First Tech Accounts because of the quality
of the lawn.
And that some folks get thier water from the Coastal range, and they 
have no restrictions.  Becaus that resevoir still has a bit in it.

THis seems real real wrong.

I would suggest that a phone calling, letter writing campaign is in
order, both to the local gubmint, and to the offenders !

I would rather have a drink in Oct than have a green lawn in August !

Ed


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From: royle@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Roy W Lewallen)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Re: Yellow Jackets
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:45:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: tekig7.6597
Distribution: or



>Does anyone have a good remedy to remove an underground nest of
>yellow jackets.  Yea I suppose I could go at night and dump a whole
>lot of insecticide down their hole, but their hole is right near
>our vegetable garden and I would like to find a non toxic solution
>for their demise.  I must have gotten too close to their nest the
>other day (about 5 feet away) because I got stung seven times.  Is
>it because of our mild winter that there seems to be many more this
>summer?
>Thanks

>Rolf Hahn           643-1681
>ADC Kentrox  

My solution always has been to pour gasoline down the hole, then cover
it. (Done at night, of course.) The fumes kill them. However, it certainly
doesn't qualify as non-toxic. I recently read that a good method is to place 
a transparent bowl over the opening. Since light still enters, they figure 
that the existing opening is still ok and won't make a new one, but will 
soon starve due to the inability to get out. I can't vouch for this solution 
as I haven't had to eradicate any since reading of it. Seems easy enough to 
try, though. If you do give it a shot I'd be interested in knowing how it 
works.

Yellowjackets survive the winter as a species by hatching new queens in the
fall. (Their search for protein to develop the new queens makes them
particularly obnoxious this time of year.) The queens leave the hive and
hibernate, typically by chomping onto a piece of wood somewhere sheltered.
(I've learned to check wood from the woodshed before bringing it into the 
house. They sometimes also find their way into my old Toyota Land Cruiser 
and surprise me in the spring when they wake up.) The rest of the members
of the hive die off. Each queen starts a new hive in the spring. If the 
winter is cold, lots of the queens freeze, but with a very mild winter like 
last year's, more survive. It seems to me that they also do better when the 
summer is dry, but I don't know why, if it's so. Maybe someone who's 
knowledgeable about the critters could enlighten us.
From: Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Electronic Matchmaker
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 01:21:52 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Oregonian women, having a problem finding a Oregonian man?  I am 
about to launch a free electronic matching service on Usenet.  Thanks 
to the imbalance of men to women on Usenet, more guys than gals have 
expressed an interest so far.  If you would like to see the fifth 
draft of my questionnaire so we can alter it to also fit women's 
needs as well as men's, either send me mail or look at the copy I 
posted in alt.personals.  
 
This service is serious and I already have 310 men and 174 women 
signed up so far.  The site of the service has already been selected 
and programming is nearly completed.
 
                                                          Eric Klien
From: stoner@lclark.edu (Tim Stone)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Re: Yellow Jackets
Date: 19 Aug 92 02:00:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Aug19.020022.29543
Distribution: or
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

How about just covering up the hole at night and suffucating the 
little buggers?
-- 
*****************************************************************************
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Sysops like to pick on me.     They find it amusing.        So do I.
I like to eat meat.   It tastes good, and gives me a warm feeling inside.
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From: marybeth@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Marybeth Olmstead)
Newsgroups: or.general,pdx.general
Subject: Education, Computer Science for Working Adults
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:35:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.5985
Distribution: or

COMPUTER SCIENCE FOR WORKING ADULTS
Information Meeting & Reception
Tuesday, August 18, 1992
5:00 - 6:30 p.m.
PCC Rock Creek, Pioneer Room (Building 3, first floor)

Computer Science for Working Adults (CSWA) was developed through the
cooperative efforts of Portland State University and Portland Community
College.  Three program options are available:

   *Bachelor's degree completion program.  Students with two years of
   college credit can take junior and senior level courses in Washington
   County to earn a bachelor's degree in computer science from PSU.

   *Bachelor's degree preparation program.  Students requiring freshman and
   sophomore level courses can take evening courses through PCC that are
   specifically designed to meet PSU bachelor's degree requirements.

   *Master's preparation program.  Students with a bachelor's degree in an
   area other than computer science can take prerequisites through PSU to
   prepare to apply to a master's program.

The program is designed to accommodate the schedules and time
restrictions of working adults by offering flexibility in a number of
areas such a location, coursework and advising.

Join us for appetizers and a chance to learn more about the program from
CSWA students, instructors and advisors.  There will be a brief
presentation at 6:00 p.m.

Co-sponsored by the Lintner Center and the Oregon Center for Advanced
Technology Education

If you are interested in the CSWA program but cannot attend the meeting,
you can request an information package by contacting the CSWA advisor,
Marybeth Olmstead, marybeth@cs.pdx.edu. Please send your name, US mail
address and a phone number where you can be reached.
From: guardian@pouring.rain.com (michael a. gray)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Re: Electronic Matchmaker
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:01:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: pouring.1992Aug20.010146.10915
Organization: The Lemniscate Foundation of Portland, Oregon

It is visible for the male:female ratio posted that a female shouldn't
have much trouble picking a male.  That is if you make the very large
assumption that the pool of male selections is desirable.

Oh, sure, I've heard a couple of "I found mine in the personals,"
but the Electronic personals?  Jeez, reminds me when I wasn't old, and
the BBS scene carried the venues of Dial-Your-Match (DYM) systems where
juveniles with carbonated hormones could leave messages to one another.

On the BBS side I have MET few females face-to-face that I would like
to spend become serious.  On the nets I have met far more, but those
people have a life, and will likely "find theirs" away from the computer
crowd - or within the crowd, away from the geeky ones that would
take a DYM as a valid resource.



Realize the distinction between computer networks and people networks.
You want to meet somebody?  Go out and meet the people.

Me a nay-sayer?  Sorry.

-- 
  michael a. gray            |  "Am I very wrong to want to leave my friends
  guardian@pouring.rain.com  |   and the curse of the happiness machine?"
  guardian@rigel.cs.pdx.edu  |                                -Peter Gabriel
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From: susanne@techbook.com (Susanne Heimbigner)
Newsgroups: or.general,pdx.general,sqnt-public.msgs
Subject: Re: Water Wasters On Parade
Date: 22 Aug 92 03:19:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Aug22.031929.2774
Distribution: pnw
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 644-8135

In article <1992Aug21.052608.28584@swmerc.rain.com> ralph@swmerc.rain.com (Ralph Merwin) writes:
>In article <BtAz05.4yK@vcd.hp.com> johne@vcd.hp.com (John Eaton) writes:
>>Ed Wright {Sys Admin Wienie} (edw@sequent.com) wrote:
>>: 
>>: I went by Beaver Creek Last night and noticed that the sprinklers were
>>: flowing over soggy emerald green sod.
>>: 
>>-----------------------
>>Does Beaver Creek draw water from Bull Run?  Can it supply water into
>>the Bull Run System? If not then it makes no sense at all for them to
>>ration. When the Midwest was withering under a 50 year drought in the 80's
>>did you cut back in your water usage? That would have been about as effective.
>>
>>Portland is suffering because the population grew and the water system didn't.
>>Those areas that had the luck or forsight not the make the same mistake owe
>>nothing to Portland.
>
>What I don't understand is why Portland doesn't insist that Washington
>county take over all water users within it's boundaries?  Large portions
>of Washington county are fed from the Bull Run system.  If there's so
>much water in the Trask/Cascades, why can't the water companies change
>over and leave the Bull Run system to the Portland users?  This may force
>brown lawns in Beaverton/Hillsboro (Horrors! :-) ), but at least it would
>take some of the preassure off the Bull Run system.
>
>Ralph
>-- 


I called the City of Beaverton Water Department the day the water
conservation program went into effect .  I was told, since I don't get
my water from the Bull Run system it was OK for me to water.  They
suggested to go on the "odd - even" day watering, which I have been
doing.  There seem to be a number of areas in Beaverton that are not
on Bull Run.

Now, I have a question: What happens when there are 4 - 6 users
living in a house vs. 1 to 2?  Clearly, a lot less water is used
in a 2 person household.  Is there a  compromise?   Perhaps there is one,
I just haven't heard about it.

Yes, we all should try to conserve water, but does it pertain to
watering lawns, shrubs, etc. only?
-- 
susanne@techbook.COM  Public Access User --- Not affiliated with TECHbooks
Public Access UNIX and Internet at (503) 644-8135 (1200/2400, N81) 
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From: dog@sequent.com (Paul Parenteau)
Subject: Re: Water Wasters On Parade      
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: pnw
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 21:01:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.205428.16765@sequent.com> kirk@sequent.com (Kirk Woods) writes:
>
>I see nothing wrong with this.  When your water resevoir is in the
>Coast Range, it is not dependent on snow pack and thus it is designed
>to hold enough water for the people who use it.  If this water is not
>used, it will just be released to flow into the river this winter.
>
IMHO, it is the general waste of water by the local irrigation systems that 
is being discussed here.  Add the low water situation this year and people 
become more sensitive to water waste.

It is well known that watering in the middle of the day wastes water.  It is
also known that overwatering to the point of saturation and runoff is also
wasteful.  Why can't these systems be adjusted to water the lawns but not be
wasteful?