HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga Blitter 40% slower than Atari Blitter (???)
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:23:04 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1992Oct7.193633.23984@imada.ou.dk> micro@imada.ou.dk (Klaus Pedersen) writes:
>
>The polygon fill in the Amiga blitter is useless because it is so slow, and the
>line drawing really can't be used as a general drawing primitive. (because it 
>lack features like adjustable thickness and patterns). 

Ok, thickness isn't there, and would probably be *very* difficult in
hardware, but pattern is there! Please consult your manuals.

>Again : for small blits the setup time is enourmous! 

Yes, of course. For smaller things the CPU is better, for bigger things
the blitter. Sounds very reasonable. I can't imagine an advice without
some setup work.

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From: t9114145@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Barret the moron (No, not Dan) strikes again
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:19:50 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <1992Oct7.050321.3116@news.iastate.edu>, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
> In article <62q8RB3w165w@bugend.edvina.se> ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans) writes:
>
Mubashir's signature -
> 
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> 
>    And please trim your signature to five lines or less.  I am not impressed
> with your ability to scan an image and run a bitmap-to-ascii utility on it.
>
 
What's this? The man-without-a-life asking someone else to trim a signature?
Why? You don't like to see others wasting bandwidth? GIVE ME A BREAK!
As the greatest poster of pure lies and shit since the inception of this
group, even YOU, moron that you are, should see the hypocrisy in THAT request.
I may as well have e-mailed you - You must be in every kill file in the world
apart from mine, and the only reason you're not in mine is cause this reader
doesn't have them.
 
> ---
> | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> COLLEGE FOOTBALL COACH WANTED.  Absolutely *NO* qualifications required
> (we'll take *ANYBODY*).  Contact the ISU athletic office for details.

Huh? Why not coach football yourself? Surely you're an expert on that too.

-- 

Adam Eberbach    Computer Science student, RMIT.   t9114145@phillip.edu.au
               "We don' need no steenkeen signatures!"

P.S. Isn't there any way we can get rid of this guy? Ban him! Ban him!
From: slbfn@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: C64 sales (was re: blitter wars)
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:21:46 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <Bvsx6r.FI2@news.udel.edu>, don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd) writes:
> 
> 
> Various people write:
> 
>>> Could somebody please reveal who's actually buying the ageing
>>>C64 computer?
>>
>>I dunno, but my dealer claims he could sell all he could get his
>>hands on; if he could get his hands on some.
> 
>      I just got CBM's '92 stockholders' report a couple of days ago.  Seems
> they still sold 650,000 C64s last year.
 
  Since the lifting of the Iron Curtain, the C=64 has become a "cheap" starting
  computer for millions of people who otherwise couldn't own computers...
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From: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras)
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Reply-To: bill@msi.com
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:13:21 GMT

hernandez machado ricardo (s64453@rmece49.upr.clu.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Oct4.233855.18197@usl.edu>, das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
: |> Give me a break.  You write as if Windows is slow on a 386!  Windows 3.1 is
: |> pretty fast on all the systems sold remotely recently.  All I was pointing
: |> out was that there were ZERO hassle in upgrading CPUs.  Keep in mind here
: 
:    Zero hassle?  BS.  You must buy a clone that supports that, and then the
: upgrade from the company that makes the clone.  You can't usually upgrade 
: from very different cpu's to say the next one, like from a 386 to a 486
: or a 486 to a 586.  Yes, there are some systems that may allow this, but
: are not many and the upgrades are brand-specific.

This is not necessarily true.  Intel sells a chip called the Overdrive
chip, which will plug directly into ANY system which has the Overdrive
socket.  Also, in some cases, these Overdrive chips will fit directly
into the regular CPU sockets.  The sockets on the motherboard may be
brand specific, but are DESIGNED to work with the general Intel chip you
can buy from retailers.

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From: boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg)
Subject: Re: ##### A1200 RELEASED NOVEMBER ##########
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:32:58 GMT

Holger.Lubitz@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Holger Lubitz) writes:

>barryb@castle.ed.ac.uk (Barry A T Brown) writes:
>>Although the A4000 has been annonunced in Europe it has no immediate sign of 
>>appearing BUT.... Commodore are releasing the A1200 in November which has 
>>almost the same technical spec    ie. AA chip set, High Density drives etc....

>1. The A4000 _has been shipping_ in Germany for two weeks now. 
>   It is available since October 2nd here. And I am not the
>   only one who got his machine on that very first day.
>   It looks currently like the A4000 will be a great success
>   here. Rumor has it that Commodore Germany already sold
>   all machines they had in stock. 

  Here in Sweden the A4000 is also selling extremely well. I ordered two A4000
at the beginning of this week but they had very few machines left so I will 
only get one (until they receive more machines) :-(

>   My dealer got 50 machines
>   and already sold ALL OF THEM. Then again, a price tag
>   of around DM 4000 mail order is _very_ attractive, so this 
>   is no big wonder. 

  That will probably make the whiners shut up about the A4000 being 
`insufficient' ... It's selling like hotcakes, and I like it!

  The A1200 will probably be a real bestseller too ... At the right price.

>Mail: Holger.Lubitz@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de | Local: hal@faramir
-- 
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 Author of LhA, ArjA and LhArcA. Co-author of Alien Breed, Project X ...
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From: jmalloy@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Joseph Malloy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga Blitter 40% slower than Atari Blitter (???)
Date: 10 Oct 92 03:33:30 GMT
Organization: Hamilton College - Clinton, NY

In article <1992Oct8.044224.18321@athena.mit.edu> fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.050321.3116@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
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>>
>>   And please trim your signature to five lines or less.  I am not impressed
>>with your ability to scan an image and run a bitmap-to-ascii utility on it.
>
>HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!  Classic, Marc.  Is the .sig too much for you
>to swallow?   :D
>
>
>Francis
>
Well, you gotta admit, it's a darn ugly .sig (unless maybe you're 100
feet away from the monitor?)...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: does wb3.0 support SAGE?
From: dyer@nrlvx1.nrl.navy.mil (Doug Dyer)
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:41:34 -0400
Organization: NRL SPACE SYSTEMS DIVISION

Hey!

	Does anyone remember the early posts on workbench 3.0
that mentioned SAGE support?  So if I ran wb3.0, could I use 
a resolver directly, rather than the "resolverbench"?

If this is so, we certainly have more options available to us than
a powerup to an a4000.
-- 
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DISCLAIMER:  These are my opinions, and not necessarily that of STI, NASA,
or the Naval Research Laboratory.   
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From: loomis@stein.u.washington.edu (Elaine Loomis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000: My Two Cents Worth
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:15:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct12.181504.16932
Organization: University of Washington

danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:
>even consider trading up to the A4000.. I'm sure it's more trouble than it's
>worth. I don't even think the A500 owners should rush out and buy one... give
>it a little look, first. Maybe the A1000 owner (yeah, you, buddy!) should get
>one, but everyone else may benefit from waiting.

>|>  Jay Phillips * Tampa FL
>|>  Amiga 3000 25Mhz/105HD/10MB
>|>  USENET: tbag!jayson@tscs.com     (or roast me on Genie: B.Phillips13)
>|> 
>|> --- Via UCI v1.02 (C-Net Amiga)

>-- 
>/////////////////////////[[[[[[[[[[]]]]]]]]]]\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
>(718)             (212)                        (516)             (518)
>=======Amiuser============Frank R. Dana, Jr.============Doc Ami=======     
>--------My opinions rarely reflect those of any sane person,----------
>	   living, dead, or undead... that's gonna CHANGE.

I am a (an?) A1000 owner -- and even I am waiting. Adding 2.5 mb memory and a 
85 mb hard drive -- for virtually nothing -- has made my venerable machine just
fine for my purposes (games for the kids, telecommunication for the hubby, word
processing and dbms stuff for all of us). It's <<AMAZING>> what you can do with
older technology when the ol' budget crunch forces you to! (our money is going 
into the education of our kids). Yes, I yearned for a new, faster, better Amiga
when the '3000 came out, and <<almost>> powered up. Thanks for your mini-reviews,
fellas! (and now I shall read on...)
								:-) EL
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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:45:36 GMT

In <1992Oct7.011321.2322@msi.com> bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras) writes:
>This is not necessarily true.  Intel sells a chip called the Overdrive
>chip, which will plug directly into ANY system which has the Overdrive
>socket.  Also, in some cases, these Overdrive chips will fit directly
>into the regular CPU sockets.  The sockets on the motherboard may be
>brand specific, but are DESIGNED to work with the general Intel chip you
>can buy from retailers.

Which of course is a marketing trick. People should buy a cheaper board
with a slower processor, upgrade to Overdrive and pay more than for a board
with just the overdrive.

Regards,
-- 
Michael van Elst
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Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Commodore Engineer speaks out.
Date: 7 Oct 92 06:22:44 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA
Keywords: Reverse Enginneering AGA - can it be done?

In article <u894776.718428857@bruny> u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull) writes:
> bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block) writes:
> 
> Just some thoughts [from a pathological hardware basher :)] -
> surely CBM should not supply any machines with CPU's  below about
> the 68030@16 [32bit bus], if they want people to stop bashing the hardware
> on the "games" / "demos" side.  Particularly the days of chipram only
> machines should be discarded.  I can possibly see the need for the
> current ECS,68000,A600, KS3.0 class of machines to support the lower end -
> but please no CPU crippled AGA machines.

You need to keep in mind that the A500 and A600 systems are where a lot
of Commodore's Amiga profits come from.  At the low end, it can be
demonstrated that (a) price and volume are tightly coupled and (b)
small increments in cost of goods have a relatively large effect
on profit margin.

Given this picture, it might makes sense to intermediate systems that
offer new features or higher performace, but not to simply "upgrade"
the low end if that adversly impacts the entry-level price.

68030's, 32-bit busses and built-in "fast ram" are all nice things
to have, but "nice" doesn't pay the bills.

Note that Apple may be in a better position to make such a move because
their volume/profit is spread over more systems and perhaps because they
didn't have much choice if they wanted to have new software to perform
"effectively" on all their hardware.

Some folks have suggested that Atari has also done the "030 only" thing,
but it's not at all clear that this is the case.

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From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: A-MaxII+ ?
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:20:44 GMT

Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:

>re article by Evan Torrie: Apple no longer makes 68000 machines? --oh,
>right, SONY makes the PowerBooks

  Sony only made the Powerbook 100, the only 68000 based Powerbook.
The 100 disappeared off Apple's price lists about one month ago.
REPEAT:  Apple no longer makes ANY 68000 machines.  They are all 68030
or 68040 machines.

>Commodore beat Apple into a market segment!!!!!! For everything claimed
>about Newton and Macs with built-in CD-ROM drives aimed at the consumer
>market and with I think only 68000s inside

  The Performa 600CD is a 32MHz 68030 machine.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: A4000, A Marketable Machine?
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:21:37 GMT

>>	I don't know about that.  Gateway 2000 has a 66/486 vesa local bus
>>  system running an ATI Ultra Pro graphics card.  I bet thats pretty fast.
>
>It certainly should be given the hardware, but most folks will probably
>end up using it for mundane things like spreadsheets, word processing,
>and other such boring tasks that most PCs end up performing.  It might

	Not me.

>even be fast enough to make Windows bearable, but it would need to be
>at least twice as fast as the 50MHz DX2 with Tseng 4000 board that I'm
>using.  

	I really don't care about windows being bearable or not.  Whats nice
  about the system is that ATI is supposedly shipping OS2 drivers for it.
   
>I'll be buying an A4000 in the first half of November and the company
>that I work for is buying a couple of new machines, either the pseudo 66MHz
>DX2s or 50MHz DXs, most likely with one of the Local Bus non-standards.
>I'll be glad to run them side by side and compare them to the A4000 in
>both real-world tests like redraws, scrolling, etc., and also testing
>similar code on both machines.
 
	Should be interesting.  

>>  Its cheaper than the A4000 also, along with having more ram and a much
>>  larger HD.
>
>When are you going to wake up and realize that the Amiga line will never
>be as cheap as the Clones?  Sheesh, the 040 itself costs nearly as much
>as the 486 motherboard!  Do you really think that C= can sell machines
>to a significantly smaller segment of the market for less than the hordes
>of Clone builders. 

	If Commodore wants to increase its market size, yes.  The A4000
   is a nice machine, but who's going to buy it?  I say people who already
   have and like Amiga's ( and of course have alot of $ ).  People who
   are not already a religious fanatic about Amigas, and are looking to
   purchase a computer will look at whats available on all platforms and
   see that the A4000 doesn't offer as much as others for the same price.

>Given the mentality of the average Clone buyer, I'm not so sure that C=
>needs that sort of customer.  The software market is tough enough without

	Commodore needs all the customers it can get, no matter what the
  mentality.  What the heck type of comment was that anyways.  People who
  own PC's these days aren't worthy in your opinion to buy an Amiga.
  Gimme a break, what sort of elitest crap is that.

>worrying about the rampant pirating going on in Clone-land.  I'd bet
>that there are more pirated copies of some programs out there than there
>are Amigas in the whole world.  Pathetic.

	Like there isn't any rampant pirating in Amiga-land.  Pathetic.

							G.Greene


>Skip Sauls
>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: david@ariane.cam.org (David Lebel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The A4000 little-review
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:52:25 GMT
Organization: Ariane Development Group (aka. SilverBox Development Group)
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Oct10.175812.7661@sol.cs.wmich.edu> 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin E. Black) writes:

> Yeah like the new rom will work on your a3000.  If you haven't seen it
> already the new rom won't work in a non aga amiga.  Nor would it fit
> since it is a singular 32bit rom.

   I'm running 3.0 w/o a hitch. What's the big deal? Of course, I'm using
a soft-kicked A3000, but with 10 MB of RAM, and don't see the need to buy
a ROM.

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From: robert@geoblue.gcn.uoknor.edu (Robert Lindsay)
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Originator: news@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:01:34 GMT
Organization: Geosciences Computing Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK

In article <u894776.718087648@bruny> u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull) writes:
>peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>
>>In article <u894776.717808655@bruny> u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull) writes:
>>> Lets face it - some people bought STs merely because lots of software
>>> ran better on an ST than an Amiga.  Better - as in faster and more usable.
>
>>You really are a totally clueless git, aren't you.
>
>Please try and keep personal attacks out of news groups.
>[Attack what someone says not the person]
>

Haven't been here long have you?
From: dtiberio@csws18.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A3000 is not dead, dammit
Date: 16 Oct 92 07:54:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: sbcs.1992Oct16.075453.24027
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook

In article <1992Oct14.221359.5823@gw.wmich.edu> x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:

>	Funny you should say that.  My clone with OS/2 and sound card,
>24 bit color, coprocessed graphics, etc. that costs a lot less
>than an Amiga 3000 (486 based I might add) usually causes Amiga users
>to soil their pants.

>Brad Wardell  **Happy OS/2 2.0 User**

	Okay, Brad. If an Amiga 3000 LISTS at $1499, and sells easily for
$1300, then please oh please tell me how much YOUR 486 system cost. Keep in
mind:

	486 based clone
	OS/2
	Sound Card
	24 bit color
	coprocessed graphics

	Just exactly how much is this miracle system of yours? Is it really
24 bit color, or just a 24 bit palette? Is the 'coprocessed graphics' a card
you bought or was that free too?

	On MY Amiga 3000, I have 600 frame animations that I show EVERYONE
who enters the house. It is a requirement. And those 600 frame anims play
at 30-60 fps, with 12 bit color in interlaced mode. And these things are
about 6 megs each (mostly anims of the solar system and stuff that I did).

	I can do ray tracing while playing music in the background and
while downloading files from my BBS without a large loss in speed from
any of the three. The music plays perfectly. I may lose 10% on the file
transfers. But I still get good thoroughput even though I am ray tracing
90% of the time.

	The Amiga may not have a gillion companies cloning them, but I
know that in a few months it will be the hottest graphics machine on the
market. In case you didn't know, the heavy hitting graphics boards are
due...



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