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From: bvrotney@deimos.ads.com (Bill Vrotney)
Subject: Re: Emacs for NeXT
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mountain View, CA 94043, +1 (415)
	960-7300
Distribution: comp
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 06:38:50 GMT


> From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
> Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:52:25 GMT
> 
> Eystein Dugstad writes
> 
> > What features does Emacs have that Edit doesn't? Should
> > I check it out or is it better to stick with Edit.
> 
> GNU Emacs (the One True Emacs (TM)) has a *full* Lisp
> interpreter inside, along with many predefined editing
> functions.  It also has command-keys up the wazoo, and
> that can be it's biggest problem and it's greatest
> feature.
> 
> For example, I have a Lisp function, automatically loaded
> at startup time, called make-numbered-shell, invoked
> through the sequence '/C-x 4 s'.  That's a cryptic
> example, admittedly, but when you've been working with
> Emacs for a while and have a *long* init file, with many
> functions, you begin to run out of unused command keys.

If you are running out of Emacs keys you can open up a wealth of new keys by
defining a command prefix key (like C-x). For example:

; 	C-z	SUSPEND-EMACS is moved to C-z!
(global-unset-key "\C-z")

; Define a prefix command "C-z".
(global-set-key "\C-z!" 'suspend-emacs)
(global-set-key "\C-za" 'new-function-1)
(global-set-key "\C-z\C-a" 'new-function-2)
(global-set-key "\C-zb" 'new-function-3)
(global-set-key "\C-z\C-b" 'new-function-4)

        ... etc.





--
Bill Vrotney
Advanced Decision Systems
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From: dwight@s1.gov (Dwight Shih)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Do you want free objects from FSF?
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:00:23 GMT
Followup-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Organization: LLNL

Note: I've redirected followups to gnu.misc.discuss

In article <1992Aug20.033858.2089@prim> prim!dave@germany.eu.net (Dave Griffiths) writes:
> In article <KHERA.92Aug19091232@thneed.cs.duke.edu> khera@cs.duke.edu (Vivek Khera) writes:
> >I'd be happy with an Object class, so I can at least start writing my
> >own stuff using gcc.
> > ...
> >
> >Of course, I think that the base Object class should be totally
> >unencumbered by the GPL, like the rest of the gcc runtime support
> >library.  That way, if you write your own Object library, the
> >resulting binary image will not fall under the GPL unless you want it
> >that way.  Of course, the object library should be under the same
> >terms as libg++ or GNU libc.
>
> ...
>
>As for a binary object library coming under GNU licence conditions, this
>is a _bad_ idea because it shuts out commercial developers and thus ultimately
>hurts the consumer. I mean suppose someone went and developed AREXX for the
>NeXT and then slapped a GNU licence on it - it would be useless because no
>commercial apps would be able to use it.
>
>Dave Griffiths


Its all matter of your point of view.

Personally, I'd prefer that these object libraries be covered by the GPL
One of the primary reasons that everyone is moving to objects is for
inheritance.  And although you can inherit without source, it's easier
if you start with the source.

I believe that there are enough contributors who will contribute objects
with source that the FSF libraries will have viable growth paths.  Whereas
object libraries without source will be stagnant.

Furthermore, I'd say that it's ironic for you to argue that the GPL is
going to lock out commercial developers;  when it's the GPL [and NeXT's
contribution of their Objective-C compiler mods] that has actually opened
up the market in the first place.

But I'd agree that it would be good for the basic runtime support to be
completely unencumbered.  Here I'm caught in a morass of mixed emotions.
If the basic runtime support were unemcumbered by the GPL, then commercial
developers could reasonably develop multi-platform applications in
Objective-C and we might see more commercial support for the NeXT.

BTW, just what does the GLPL say about object source that either
Is-A or Has-A GLPL object?


dwight shih					dwight@s1.gov
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From: kaw4t@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Kent A. Watsen)
Subject: Memory Usage by common Apps
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 22:07:04 GMT

Hi Netters,

I have a color turbo station w/ 16Mb RAM.  I am trying to determine
how much memory is being used by my everyday use.  The system boots
w/ ~20Mb swapfile and if I perform any memory intensive tasks it will
increase up to ~60Mb (the largest I've seen yet). This is simply un-
acceptable since not only do I need my disk space, but I would like
my system to run w/o so much disk i/o.  I am considering a memory 
upgrade and assume that the size of the upgrade has a direct effect
on the size of the swapfile (no?).  But, more over, how much RAM is
being used by the system itself?  Since swapfile starts ~20Mb, can
I safely assume that it needs 36Mb just to run?

No NeXT mail please.

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From: steve@math.tamu.edu (Steve Johnson)
Subject: Re: Anyone have opinions on NeXT 17" and 21" color monitors?
Keywords: color monitor
Organization: Texas A&M University, Dept of Mathematics
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 03:10:29 GMT

kdb@sunbar.mc.duke.edu (Kurt Bollacker) writes:
> I'm about to buy a color NeXTStation but cannot decide between the 2 color
> monitors that NeXT offers...

I've been placed in front of both the 17" and 21". After about 10-15 minutes,
I found it very difficult to continue.  The colors seem washed out, and
the curvature of both screens was quite noticeable. IMHO, NeXT is doesn't
seem to take color seriously; if they did, there would be a trinitron
offering.  On the other hand, I think the NeXT mono (gray) is very nice,
although it could use an anti-glare coating.

My advice:
a.) Buy the color station, but get the monitor elsewhere.
OR
b.) Don't buy a NeXT, and learn to live with X :-|
    I'm satisfied w/ nearly every other competitor, when it comes to color.

Standard disclaimers apply.
- Steve Johnson, Systems Manager, Dept of Mathematics, Texas A&M University
  Steve.Johnson@math.tamu.edu
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXT Sales figures
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:45:17 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Aug20.161439.7358@leland.Stanford.EDU>
m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling) writes:

>M Carling
>Director, Bay Area NeXT Group

>I believe George Bush, Anita Hill, and Pinocchio.

Having met you, you seem like a very nice guy.  Having
exchanged email with you, you seem like a very nice guy.
Having read your postings in the csn* groups, you seem
helpful, usually well informed, and, well, a very nice guy.
That said, and recognizing that people are free to think
anything they like, to say almost anything they like, and to
do most things they like, I'm once again astonished that you
indulge yourself (and that's really what it is) in quote
lines like that one, especially here.  I gather it does
something for you, at least in your own eyes.  And *that's*
the part that amazes me.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
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From: Hal.Varian@umich.edu
Subject: Re: statistics for NeXT: summary
Keywords: statistics
Reply-To: Hal.Varian@umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan Math Dept
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:17:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.183011.18661@lsa.umich.edu> I wrote:

> |STAT -- a collection of Unix filters for statistics.   
>Available  via anonymous ftp in pub/stat at  
>ftp.cis.ohio-state.edu  
> (128.146.8.52)  This is free software, but he doesn't want it  
> distributed on bulletin boards, etc.  ftp the crypted version  
> and send email to  Gary Perlman <perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu> 
> to  get the password.  

I asked Gary Perlman if would be OK to post the executables
and doc files to |STAT and he said OK.  So these are now on
sonata.cc.purdue.edu in statPerlman.tar.Z.  This file
also contains the information about the (very small) changes  
needed to compile the source on the NeXT.

--
Hal.Varian@umich.edu    Hal Varian
voice: 313-764-2364     Dept of Economics
fax:   313-764-2364     Univ of Michigan
                        Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: A NEW tar&compress FRONTEND....
Date: 13 Aug 92 08:36:27 GMT
Reply-To: glenn@rightbrain.com

Mark Adler writes

> I use Squash for long-term archiving, but I use zip for moving stuff
> across machines (or even continents).

I love Squash.  It's incredibly reliable and easy to use.  I Squash
things constantly, because it only takes a double-click to get it
unSquashed, and it saves an enormous amount of room for things (like
old source trees) that you don't quite want to delete and leave on
a backup, but you don't access them very often.  It's also nice that
the UnSquashOnly program can be freely given away; I routinely make
floppies for people and put UnSquashOnly on the floppies along with
the compressed data.  Just yesterday I got a 10-to-1 compression
on a directory full of TIFF files, and I thought that TIFF already
had reasonably good compression in its internal format!

Highly recommended program.

[I have no connection to Agog Software other than as a happy customer]

--
 Glenn Reid        		NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com
 RightBrain Software		415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977)
 Palo Alto, California
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From: m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling)
Subject: Re: NeXT Sales figures
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 16:14:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.163945.286@prim> prim!dave@germany.eu.net (Dave  
Griffiths) writes:
> Have NeXT released any sales figures recently? When was the last quarter
> for which unit shipments were published? How many machines were sold in  
91?
> 
> No guesstimates please - I'm looking for official figures. 

NeXT has never published unit sales figures. 1991 revenue was $127  
million.

M Carling
Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
--
I believe George Bush, Anita Hill, and Pinocchio.
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From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Subject: Re: Does Type1 NeXT == Type1 Mac??
Reply-To: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:53:43 GMT

Brian Policky writes

> Does Adobe mind if fonts are converted over to the NeXT
> with something like Metamorphasis? (Legally speaking)

The only thing to beware of is that some 'conversion'
programs interpret the font program to get the character
outline points, and then write out something that is
supposed to be equivalent in another format.  This may
loose hinting and character quality.  A Mac - NeXT format
conversion program should convert the font program
uninterpreted.  It takes less than 100 lines of code to
do so.

Scott Byer                                   NeXTMail: byer@adobe.com
Adobe Systems Incorporated               These are *my* opinions, and  
1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900        do not necessarily reflect
Mountain View, CA 94039-7900             the opinions of my employer.
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From: incubus@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Alexander Swietlicki)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Squash
Date: 15 Aug 92 23:53:07 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <55858@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) writes:
>
>Someone just said that transfer time should be our major
>concern.  Maybe, but I think it is far more important to be
>accessible to the maximum number of users.  The
>difference between an archive and just a guy who has a lot
>of stuff is mainly one of stability and accessibility.
>
>The compression issue >is< important to me, but I'm just
>not swayed yet.

	I own Squash, and have since uncompressed every .tar.Z file and
Squashed it.  Squash typically can compress things in 55-65% of the space
it takes tar and compress.  And has a much nicer interface.  And with
UnSquashOnly being free, I don't see why anyone would want to distribute
software in .tar.Z format.

	Alex
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: gsk@world.std.com (Geoffrey S Knauth)
Subject: Re: Emacs services
Keywords: emacs services
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 09:58:11 GMT

skrbec@tophat4.rtsg.mot.com (Brad Skrbec) writes:
>I recently got the Emacs app off of the archives, along
>with the Emacs_Services patches, which allow the Emacs
>frontend to access NeXT services.
>
>Everything seemed to install fine, but when I try to launch
>with the new version of the front end as my default edit app,
>Emacs autolaunches, but the document is not brought into the
>buffer.  It worked before the install of the services patch.

Since I wrote the EmacsServices patch, and haven't tested it with the
latest Emacs front-end on the archives, I'll take a look.

Geoffrey
-- 
Geoffrey S. Knauth, Marble Associates, Inc.                Member BCS-NeXT, LPF
gsk@marble.com, (617) 891-5555 work, (617) 547-5247 home   Standard Disclaimers
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From: mmelling@Trirex.com(Michael Mellinger)
Subject: Mouse Enabled Preference
Organization: Trirex Systems Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:20:03 GMT

Does anyone have any idea why my Mouse Button Enabled preference gets  
reset to Disabled?  I have to set it everytime I log in!  Ugh.

I vote for human readable Prefences/Initialization files in NeXTstep 4.0.
More along the lines of X-Windows. (Cut to someone at NeXT saying: "over  
my dead body.")

-Mike
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From: wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu (Wassim M. Jabi)
Subject: Re: NeXT Paint (cannot find)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 18:25:05 EDT
Organization: The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Reply-To: wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Aug6.132559.5754@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>  
dan@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu (Dan Shelton) writes:
>Previous stuff deleted.
>
>> > North Dakota State University			      
>klakeman@plains (Bitnet)
>> 
>> Try these people... They used to distribute the pait you seek..
>> 
>> 	Boehm Stamp and Printing Company
>> 	2050 Hardy Parkway
>> 	Columbus, OH
>> 	(614) 875-9010
>> -- 
>> Chuck Bennett, BenaTong Consulting
>> Palace Security (UNIX Consulting :-) )
>> cgb@count0.cmhnet.org
>
>The can of NeXT black I have I got from NeXT.  Try them or contact the  
>manufacturer
>
>Aerko International Corp.
>516 N.E. 34th Street
>Fort Lauderdale, FL  33334
>Phone number unknown
>
>Dan

The number of Aerko International Corp. is
(305) 565-8475
--
Wassim M. Jabi                            (313) 936-0229
Doctoral Program in Architecture, University of Michigan
2000 Bonisteel Boulevard  Ann Arbor  Michigan 48105-2313
wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu             NeXTMail-friendly
From: tlm@nextasy.physics.mcmaster.ca (Tom Marchioro)
Subject: Re: Mail <> NextMail
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 03:14:12 GMT

borrel@dhhalden.no (B|rre Ludvigsen) writes:
: Can anyone please explain how I get Mail and NextNMail to coexist?
: I often have to log in through a terminal from the "outside world"
: to read and reply to my mail. Most things work, but "r"-replies are
: not happy as my name gets added to the to field, the cc field on the
: outgoing mail gets the user <addressee@myhost>, and when I look at
: the Outgoing.mbox/mbox with NextMail all outgoing mail sent by mail
: don't have "to's" at all. If I look at it with mail, their all to me.
: 
: There seems to have been a posting about this sometime back, but I only
: have a second hand rumor. Anyone save it?

well, I don't know about a "while back" but people seem to complain about
this *a lot*.  I certainly know that I find the NeXT command line mail
to be a real pain (is there *any* way to change the "indent prefix" ?? 
Setting it in the .mailrc file seems to be ignored).  The best advice
I can offer is to get a good mailer off the archives, and the one I have, 
Elm, also gives somewhat of a solution to your problem (i.e. that
NeXTmail suck everything into it's own mbox every time it's run). When you
get and install Elm, and then run it for hte first time, it asks you 
what you want the default directory for mail to be.  Tell it to use
~/Mailboxes/Active.mbox, and then you're using the same directory that
NeXTmail does.  Elm has countless nice features, not least of which is
that it supports multiple mail folders (as does NeXTmail) and you can 
change between them easily.  Thus, with the directory choice given above
all you have to do to get the NeXTmail box back is type a "c" for "change 
mail folder" and when you're prompted to name the new file type "mbox"
which will give you back all the messages read into NeXTmail.  I've been
doing this for months and itworks so nicely I would **literally** remove 
the crappy NeXT /ucb/mail application if I weren't uncertain whether it 
might serve some other purpose.  

As for getting and installing Elm, there seems to be some question how
to go about this. It was posted not too long ago (I believe by EPS, and
if so it's the *only* time I've seen him make an error :-) that you
had to make Elm on your machine because it had to be configured for hte 
local system.  However, ALL I did was to grab the binaries off of another
machine (I forget where, Uwashington someplace) as well as the help files
and the manual, drop them in place, and everything runs *perfectly*.  
I can take all of this stuff and make a .tar.Z to put on Sonata, but 
(1) I'm inthe process of moving to a new position and my plate is too
full to get to this for at least 7-10 days and (2) I'm running a modestly
old version of Elm (2.11 I think).  Perhaps some other kind soul could 
put together a package on the FTP centers. If not people can drop me a
note and I'll put what I have on the archives in a couple weeks.

Hope this is Helpful --- Tom

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From: rutherford@ccsua.ctstateu.edu
Subject: which X ?
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 01:57:31 GMT

Greetings,
I would like to purchase an X-window system for my next. Does anyone
have suggestions? (white pine or Co-xist?

Thanks,

John Rutherford

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From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Subject: Re: Does Type1 NeXT == Type1 Mac??
Reply-To: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:56:54 GMT

Sherwood Botsford writes

> If you read the license Adobe gives out, you are licensed
> to use the fonts with 1 printer/typesetter.

This also includes displays in the updated license.

You can use one copy of a font on a single screen/printer
combination.  If you convert a font from Mac format to
NeXT format, you must remove the fonts from the Mac before
using them on the NeXT.

If you download a font to a printer, you must remove that
font from printer memory before using that font on another
printer.  Since automatic downloading flushes the font
at the end of a job, this is usually not something anyone
has to think about.

Scott Byer                                   NeXTMail: byer@adobe.com
Adobe Systems Incorporated               These are *my* opinions, and  
1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900        do not necessarily reflect
Mountain View, CA 94039-7900             the opinions of my employer.
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From: prim!dave@germany.eu.net (Dave Griffiths)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Do you want free objects from FSF?
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:54:47 GMT
Organization: Primitive Software Ltd.

In article <1992Aug20.122101.9308@dpp> dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) writes:
>
>We all live in the same virtual city.  We need to attract a population to  
>our city to create a thriving metropolis.  One way to attract people is to  
>build beautiful buildings (great applications.)  NeXT provides great  
>cement and a bedrock on which we can build these buildings (the AppKit and  
>mach, respectively.)  I don't mind sharing my bricks with other builders  
>so that these builders can also build beautiful buildings.  The more great  
>buildings we have, the more people will come to our city.  The more people  
>in the city, the better the economy, for everybody.
>

Nice post David. I agree. However...

The city is a utopian dream. It's a centrally planned city. The buildings
are beautiful, it's true, but expensive. And when you move into your new
apartment you discover that the pictures and furniture are fixed in place.
You're not allowed to put up new shelves. There are no service industries
here. The planners forgot to build a cinema and you have to travel to a
nearby town to see a movie. The city is eerily quiet and the occupants 
wonder when all those empty apartments are going to be filled. But they
have faith. That nice young man in the suit who sold them the apartment
was surely right - this is the city of the future.

Most of their friends think they're mad. In contrast, they live a few
miles away in a huge shanty town. The buildings are not beautiful, but
they're cheap and there's a raw thriving economy there...

Dave Griffiths
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From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
Subject: Re: NeXTstep 3.0
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:11:15 GMT

sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford) writes:

>Allen B writes
>> 
>> Considering our semester starts on the 24th, the 3.0
>> release is really too late for me whenever it is.  I got  
>the
[...]
>> job done right.  I'm sure other Universities have similar
>> situations. 
>> 
>I know that Next has been working hard to make sure this  
>release is bug-free software (oxymoron?) but having watched  
>numerous VMS, AIX, Ultrix, DOS (Ugh) Windows (Ugh  
>factorial) come down the pipe, let me say this:  Don't  
>commit too deeply.

>Were I in Allen's shoes I'd upgrade 1 machine in each lab  
>to 3.0, and wait and see what happens.

To Sherwood and all of the other Sys admins out there - I suggest
that the one machine that you put 3.0 on when it does come out is
your most heavily used netinfo server - the netinfo is supposed to
be much more efficient, especially on the server side.  Supposed to
get rid of the 20 minute waits for netinfo to bind to a server on
the same machine.

Count me as one more in the 'waaaay too late for THIS summer'
club... I have to have 3 labs open by next week... I'm going to 2.2a
across the board, then 3.0 hopefully during winter break. :-)
-- 
David Lemson                                                 (217) 244-1205
University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant  / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin
Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu                 UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson 
NeXTMail accepted                                   BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
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