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From: esx070@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Brevan Miles (esx070))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Game Seasons
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:40:32 GMT
Organization: Coventry Polytechnic, Coventry, UK

Hi There,
A question for you stateside people,
In britain we have Cricket in the summer, and Soccer in the winter.
Soccer is usually played on Saturday with some games Midweek or Sunday.
Cricket is usually played at the weekends.

Now in the states the two big games are baseball and Football (Gridiron or
american football as it's referred to here). What are the seasons for these
games and what days  would you go and see them? I know that the baseball
season ends in October and that the Superbowl is in January.

Replies by e-mail please

Brevan Miles,
esx070@uk.ac.cov.cck
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Inches, Ounces, Fahrenhei
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:04:10 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: crosmun@crosmun.rtp.dg.com (William Crosmun)
>Well, I know how they feel.  I was in Victoria Station in London some years
>ago trying to buy a ticket from the vending machine.  The British shilling
>coin says only "1 Shilling".  What in the world is a shilling and how many
>pence/pounds is it?  Fortunately a friendly passerby heard me ask this
>question of my companions and set us straight (though I've forgotten the
>answer).

Pre-decimal currency in Britain had twenty shillings to the
pound, and twelve pence to the shilling. Decimal currency, of
course, has one hundred pence to the pound.

So when the currency was decimalised, one shilling, being 1/20
of a pound, was equivalent to 5 of the new pence. The new 5p
coins were made exactly the same size and shape as the old 1
shilling coins, and the new 10p coins exactly the same size and
shape as the old 2 shilling coins. Furthermore, pre-decimal 1
and 2 shilling coins were kept in circulation with the value of
5p and 10p. However, though the word "shilling" still appeared
on these coins, it dropped out of most people's use soon after
decimalisation, and a coin with the word "one shilling" written
on it would always be referred to as a "five pee", to use the
British pronunciation.

A couple of year ago, 5p coins were replaced by smaller sized
coins, the old ones withdrawn, and with them were withdrawn
those one shilling coins still in circulation with the value of
5p. Now (in fact this very day I am posting) a similar process
is occurring with the 10p, a smaller 10p coin is being
introduced today. For around six months it will circulate
alongside the old 10p coin, but that will then be withdrawn and
with it all the two shilling coins still circulating as 10ps.
So some time next year, the last of the pre-decimal coins in
the UK will disappear from circulation.

Matthew Huntbach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva)
Subject: Re: America has culture?
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 23:23:26 GMT

 (David Brooks) writes:
>>(Fred Temple) writes:
>>>culture.usa is an oxymoron!
>
>The U.S. has *a* culture, which is trivially true.  But I think the beliefs
>to which the stupid little boy is trying to allude are (a) the U.S. doesn't
>have culture (demonstrably false) and (b) there are no specifically U.S.
>cultural achievements (also demonstrably false).
>
>Counterexamples form a long list.
>--
	The Algonquin Roundtable, Arthur Miller, Tennessee Williams,
Nora Zeal Thurston, Eugene O'Neill, Isadora Duncan, early Hollywood,
Cole Porter, Edgar Allan Poe and Faulkner, Mark Twain, the Arts and 
Crafts movement, Thomas Paine's Common Sense, Desiderata, the 
Declaration of Independence, Poor Richard's Almanac, Duke 
Ellington, Fats Waller, Billie Holiday, Vladmir Nabokov (did 
much of his most creative work here, in english), the Shakers, 
the Plain Folk, Marcuse, Dick Feynmann, Martin Luther King.......


	What is the likelyhood that Fred Temple and those like him
understand or are familiar with even some of the works, movements 
and people listed above? On a probability scale of 0 to 1, where
would their comprehension level lie?

--
======================================================================
|| Holly Silva			I have nothing terribly clever to say||
|| Applied Earth Sciences	today.  You're in luck.		     ||
|| Stanford University						     ||
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: crosmun@crosmun.rtp.dg.com (William Crosmun)
Subject: Re: Retraction of (America has culture?)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 13:01:45 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.

In article <templef.34.0@columbia.dsu.edu> templef@columbia.dsu.edu (Fred Temple) writes:
>I recently posted a statement to the effect that
>American culture is an oxymoron (contradiction in terms).
>
>I have come to the conclusion that I made a foolish statement.
>I was angry with a particular branch of the U.S. federal government
>and I posted the statement as a means to "let off steam".
>
>I am well aware of the many accomplishments of American history and
>among contemporay America.  I apologize for making such a rash and
>ridiculous statement.  It will not happen again.  Thank you for your
>patience and understanding.

Well, this is unexpected and welcome.  I can sympathize with you. Being
angry with the US Federal government is not only reasonable, (and usually
justified), it's another staple of American culture (although I, personally,
prefer Poe.)


===============================================================================
William Crosmun
crosmun@dg-rtp.dg.com

===============================================================================
"If an aging America ever begins to lose its short-term memory, it will really
 be in trouble - because that's the only kind of memory this country seems to
 have.  There's a perpetual tendency to believe that whatever is going on at
 this particular moment is absolutely unique in human history, but will,
 paradoxically, continue now into the indefinite future.  Both assumptions are
 certain to be wrong, but meanwhile they have sent a passel of chickens
 scuttling hysterically around the U.S. barnyard."
  
                                                  Louis Rukeyser - 1992

===============================================================================
From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: America has culture?
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:26:24 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <1992Sep23.203448.19988@bnr.ca> labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche) writes:

>Well I would still define it as a 'culture'.  US culture, or any culture, 
>does not have to be pleasing to be a culture.   

As long as US citizens like it, why should we care what anyone else
thinks.

Just doing my own thing in the US of A.

-- 
Mark
My opinions are mine, all mine.  Unless someone else claims them first.
Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: jon@lindy.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis)
Subject: Re: America has culture?
Organization: Jon's Cafe Americain
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:14:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.001149.25236@morrow.stanford.edu> silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva) writes:
>In article <jyc.717632423@Leland> jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis) writes:
>
>>   As an American, I would like publicly hereby to disown Desiderata.  
>
>
>
>	Why?
>
>

   Because Desiderata is a dreary collection of orotund nullities that
ought to be left on the junk heap on 1970s pop culture along with I'm
OK-- You're OK, leisure suits, disco music, smiley faces, and Have A
Nice Day.

   I've also read (though I can't now remember where) that it's a fraud,
not having been found at all in a seventeenth century Boston church
vault, but having been written purposely as a commercial "inspirational"
message some time well in this century.  I can't verify this, but it
makes sense:  people in the seventeenth century were a hardy lot, the
educated among whom tended to write and to think with a shrewdness
utterly at odds with the warm-tummy feelie-goody nebulous bromides of
Desiderata. 
-- 


Jon Corelis               jon@lindy.stanford.edu
Stanford University       BITNET:  BR.JGC@RLG.STANFORD.EDU
From: frank2@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za (FRANK D N)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: States of U.S.A.
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:38:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: underdog.frank2.23
Organization: Wits Electrical Engineering (Undergrads).

In article <1992Oct5.090646.3956@hippo.ru.ac.za> keyser@oliver.sun.ac.za (P.W. Keyser) writes:


>Can anyone please give me a list of all the states of the U.S.A., with
>perhaps some major cities in each state. I know their are 50 states, but 
>I do not have a map of the U.S.A. and I only get to 41 states (I do not
>know if even they are correct).

50???? Is the USA also crumbling now? Pretty soon we'll have no super-powers 
left at all.
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From: silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva)
Subject: Re: Americans! *smile*
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:03:01 GMT

(Jim Muchow) writes:
>(Holly Silva) writes:
>>>flag of patriotism in my country been run up for any causes other than
>>>the suppression of progressive dissent, the enforcement of obience to
>>>establishment dictates, and the furtherance of brutal and selfish
>>>overseas military adventures.
>> 	
>>	And this is very much the fault of our self-hating, craven
>>Liberal wing. 
>
>Say what? Self-hating? Craven? Perhaps you could explain...
>
>>The Left or Liberal side of the political spectrum has
>>allowed patriotism and pride in America to be exppropriate by the
>>petty demagogues of the far right during the past quarter century.
>
>Bull. The Left or Liberal side of the political spectrum has allowed 
>*simplistic, jingoistic expressions of* patriotism and pride in America
>to be... 
>
	No. The American Left has really allowed nearly all expressions
of patriotism and pride in America to be co-opted by the far Right
_because_ the far Right has been willing to engage in *simplistic,
jingoistic expression* thereof. Americans who view themselves as 
Liberal or politically left-of-center are disproportionately unable 
to view patriotism _per se_ as anything other than jingoism, without
making the distinction you've made above.
	This dainty distaste for patriotism _per se_ has undermined
the American Left. In accepting all patriotism as inherently 
jingoistic, they've alienated large sectors of American society 
that might otherwise have been sources of support and left-oriented
leadership. I find this difficult to respect, and therefore call it
craven.


>>In my experience, this fear/distaste for
>>anything which smacks of patriotism is rooted in a lack of intrinsic
>>American thought on the Left, and in their rather pathetic worship of 
>>all things European. 
>
>So... Leftist or Liberal thought is truly un-American. So does that mean
>that Liberals or Leftists are un-American, counterfeit Americans, or
>maybe even traitors?
>

>Jim Muchow - except in your paranoia

	Buddy, if you can manage to twist my statement above into 
support of the notion that Leftist or Liberal thought is un-American,
then you had better reset your paranoia meter, and take a reading on
yourself.
>
>
>


--
======================================================================
|| Holly Silva			I have nothing terribly clever to say||
|| Applied Earth Sciences	today.  You're in luck.		     ||
|| Stanford University						     ||
From: lumensa@lub001.lamar.edu (Dale Parish)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Inches, Ounces, Fahrenheit, and Drab Looking MoneySCDOWN
Date: 4 Oct 92 00:20:30 +1700
Organization: Lamar University - Beaumont

> If I really need to know
> how many inches are in a mile I'll have plenty of time to reach for
> a calculator, or a pencil and paper.  The rest of the time if I'm
> measuring something in inches it is probably a lot smaller than a mile;
> or if I am measuring something in miles I am probably quite uninterested
> in precision to the nearest inch.  The ease of knowing exactly how many
> millimeters are in a kilometer doesn't make that knowledge useful.

You miss the point.  The interrelationships of weight/mass to distance &
volume in metrics is what eleminates the need to have the damned
calculator *and* the hundreds of conversions (let's see, is it troy
ounces, avoirdopois or apothecaries that are weight... No!  That's
liquid measure ounces I'm looking for...??!!) 

What confuses Americans is continuing to try to think in this antiquated
system rather than just accepting that x meters is x meters and not
3.281x feet.
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: States of U.S.A.
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:32:12 GMT
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

If you have a Unix OS, and the vendor did not gut the games, you can
get a list of states-capitals by playing /usr/games/quiz(6) and specify
states capitals.  Check the man page.  Also old (1970ish countries/caps, etc.)
For units, try the units(1) command (won't do non-multiplicative conversions).
The hack of course is to figure out where the files and source code sit.
The exercise is to intelligently use these in shell or awk scripts (extra
credit for use of lex and yacc).

Just passing thru.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Seeking Books to buy:	Bongard, Pattern Recognition
			Imhof, Cartographic Relief Presentation
			Books on or by Benjamin Whorf
			Wulf et al, The Design of an Optimizing Compiler
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight)
Subject: Re: Questions about States
Keywords: states questions fun
Organization: Jes Grew Carriers -- Metaphysical Bunko Squad 
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:15:31 GMT

stephen@mont.cs.missouri.edu (Stephen Montgomery-Smith) writes:

Hmmm...

>What is the smallest state?

Rhode Island and Providence Plantations

>What is the southernmost state?

Hawaii

>What is the largest state?

Alaska

>What is the state with the longest name?

Rhode Island and Providence Plantations

>What is the eastmost state?  (This is a stupid trick question.)

Maine  (Why is this a trick question?)

>Which state has more other states around it than any other state?  Name
>the surrounding states.

Tennessee (North Carolina, Virginia, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas,
           Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia)

>Which four states all meet at a point?

Colorado, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico

>How many states have a straight line as part of their border?

49

That was fun.
 
Trevor Bauknight         trev@hubcap.clemson.edu    ...gatech!hubcap!trev
 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: American Kultur...
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Distribution: soc.culture.usa.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:26:13 GMT

In article <vj7qb7pd@csv.warwick.ac.uk> laudw@warwick.ac.uk (Chris Lowe) writes:
>Following the `culture` argument,of course the usa has got a great
>literary and musical culture,but I reckon the problem is that American
>culture is probably seen in wider terms as bloody Mcdonalds,Pepsi and
>Madonna along with your pathetic television creations,these
>have been your major exports and they are all crap !!!!

We export crap culture because that's what our friends on the other
side of the pond DEMAND.  (Hint: you pay wheelbarrows full of money
for said crap.)  When they decide they don't like it, we'll stop
sending it.

I do like the way they blame us for their poor taste....

-andy
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: muchow@zebo.network.com (Jim Muchow)
Subject: Re: American Kultur...
Organization: Network Systems Corporation
Distribution: soc.culture.usa.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 17:37:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.162613.17340@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
>
>We export crap culture because that's what our friends on the other
>side of the pond DEMAND.

No, no, no. We export crap culture because our Jewish leaders and fellow
travelers force us to. 

Nah... I know - we export crap culture because if we didn't somebody else
would.

No, wait, we export crap culture because we feel we must retaliate in kind
for Euro-crap like "The Benny Hill Show".

Jim Muchow - The Benny Hill Show: two knickers, some tits and a fart

Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: muchow@zebo.network.com (Jim Muchow)
Subject: Re: Americans! *smile*
Organization: Network Systems Corporation
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 14:08:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.230301.18850@morrow.stanford.edu> silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva) writes:
>	No. The American Left has really allowed nearly all expressions
>of patriotism and pride in America to be co-opted by the far Right
>_because_ the far Right has been willing to engage in *simplistic,
>jingoistic expression* thereof. Americans who view themselves as 
>Liberal or politically left-of-center are disproportionately unable 
>to view patriotism _per se_ as anything other than jingoism, without
>making the distinction you've made above.

So Liberals cannot act patriotic nor be patriotic in general? Or are
acts of patriotism and patriotism itself defined by those aspects
co-opted by the far Right?

>	This dainty distaste for patriotism _per se_ has undermined
>the American Left. In accepting all patriotism as inherently 
>jingoistic, they've alienated large sectors of American society 
>that might otherwise have been sources of support and left-oriented
>leadership. I find this difficult to respect, and therefore call it
>craven.

So let me get this straight: the American Left is cowardly because 
you cannot respect that they have a distaste for patriotism as 
defined by you (and the far Right) and have thus alienated large 
sectors of American society (so you say)?

>	Buddy, if you can manage to twist my statement above into 
>support of the notion that Leftist or Liberal thought is un-American,
>then you had better reset your paranoia meter, and take a reading on
>yourself.

You state that the Left lacks of any "intrinsic American thought", their
thoughts must be un-American, yes? You state that they pathetically 
worship all things European, this seems pretty un-American also. I mean 
if it looks like a duck... 

Jim Muchow - your buddy



Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:9471 soc.culture.europe:8776
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: A German who was in Greece
Date: 4 Oct 92 12:15:37 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

GUNTHER NEUBERGER (gunther.neuberger@icsmac4.icsmac.COM) writes:
>Secondly,your comment indicates that
>you really haven't read most of the postings on this newsgroup since most of
>them ARE purely one-sided,prejudiced criticisms.

Ah, that's right. We who dare to speak in defence of Macedonia
are by definition biased. But rest assurred that all those
Greeks are completely objective. (Heavy sarcasm intended.)

-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
There are many sorts of Macedonians: Greek, Bulgarian, Roumanian, Macedonian...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Albanians and Pseudo-Macedonia
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:23:59 GMT

  I remember that some weeks ago there was a dispute in this group about the
  position of the Albanian minority regarding the recognition of ex-Yugoslavia's
  Socialist Republic of Macedonia with the name Republic of Macedonia. One
  person from Sweden kept saying that there were no objections of the Albanian
  minority about the name, and all was just a Greek propaganda.

  Well, today I was watching a British video about the Macedonian issue.  
  Several Albanian leaders were interviewed.  I remember some names that could
  be useful: Mr. V. Nemisi, and Mr. Nevzat Halili.  The second person also
  claimed that the Albanian minority could be the majority in that state, and
  it is at least 40% of the population.  He also said that even if their data
  (i.e. the state's data) are correct, the Albanians with their high number
  of births will soon be a majority in this state.

  There was also an interview of Prof. Dimitar Gochev from a Univ. located
  in Sofia.  Prof. Gochev said that there is not any evidence which suggests
  that these people (pseudo-Macedonians, that is) are not Bulgarians.  He said
  that there is no relation of these people with ancient Macedonians who were
  Greeks.  He also said that Bulgaria should protect these people if their
  state is ever under attack.

-- 
 *> Panos Tamamidis
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:9326 soc.culture.bulgaria:1451
From: buis@buengc.bu.edu (Biomed Dept I.S.L.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: The Balkan Wars
Date: 28 Sep 92 02:52:36 GMT
Reply-To: buis@buengc.bu.edu (Lou Buis)
Followup-To: soc.culture.greek
Organization: College of Engineering, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <6238@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov) writes:
>
>>Did Bulgaria
>>before May-June 1913 fulfill her obligations as an ally to Greece and Serbia?
>
>There was an obligation that Bulgaria and Serbia (probably the same with
>Greece) should help each other when the 'other' side wants help. I don't
>know if and what Serbia wanted and Bulgaria didn't do. However, when Bulgaria
>required some help and troops from Serbia for the siege of Odrin, such were
>provided. Later, because of the unexpected gains in Thrace and the gain of
>Odrin by the Bulgarians (this wasn't in the initial plans of the war), Serbia
>asked for compensation - can't remember exatly but it was the contested
>zone and maybe even more. The point is that the spheres of interests
>between Serbia and Greece in Macedonia didn't go into conflict, which made
>the partition of Macedonia between them without any problem. 


	The Bulgarians helped the Montenegins to break the seige of Skadar
(now in Albania) that lasted several months. Bulgarian airplanes were sent
to Skadar, after the Serbian artilery led by general S. Stepanovich had gone 
to help the Bulgarians at Odrin (Edirne).

	One very important moment hasn't been discussed. Serbian army, in
BW1 occupied the complete teritory of Albania, fulfilling the old dream of
having an serbian exit to the sea. However, when the Great Power, led by
Austro-Hungaria forced Serbia to withdrew from Albania, and an Albanian 
state was create, the demands of Serbia in Macedonia become much bigger 
than previously agreed with the Bulgaria, including the secret annex.

	Regarding the secret Bulgaro-Serbian treaty (paragraph 2.) set
the borders of the contested zone, that has to be decided by the Russian
Czar, whether it will be Bulgarian or Serbian, after the war.


	The contested zone included: Skopie, Tetovo, Kumanovo, Debar, 
				     Gostivar


	The uncontested zone, that was absolutely Bulgarian, by that 
	agreament included the following towns:

	KRIVA PALANKA, VELES, PRILEP, BITOLIA, OHRID, RESEN, KOSTUR,
	LERIN, VODEN, SHTIP  etc.	

	Everything to the north and west from the contested zone was 
	Serbian.


	Regards,

		Lou

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