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From: philb@cats.ucsc.edu (Philip Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Nudes on Compuserve, GEnie and Prodigy
Date: 22 Nov 1992 04:18:33 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu



Ooops. actually, I misspoke myself. there ARE nudist areas areas on
Compuserve, and probably at least one of the other services. but folks on
delphi say that delphi's is the more active.

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From: jimc@megatek.com (Jim Campbell)
Subject: Re: Going Topless/Nude in a Convertable
Reply-To: jimc@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:23:17 GMT

In article <BxtDqD.GL4@javelin.sim.es.com> bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>ccaamrg@ucl.ac.uk (Mike Gahan) writes:
>
>>I have heard that in the state of Iowa (or is it Idaho) it is (or was)
>>forbidden to travel on public transport within an hour of eating
>>garlic. 
>
>No, in Idaho you must eat potato(e)s while you are traveling
>topless/nude in a convertible (or a Kenworth)!
>

I thought it was more like SPELLING 'potato' or something....

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From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Queen Victoria (was some irrelevant thread)
Date: 19 Nov 1992 09:13:05 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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In article <kg60826@pro-harold.cts.com> leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick) writes:
>old, get real. Clothing became compulsory due to Queen Victoria and her
>anal-retentive hang-ups. Nudity has been a lifestyle since day one or which

Actually, I've heard (from several different documentaries) that Queen Victoria
was *far* from "Victorian" in her attitudes towards nudity and sex.  Victorian
attitudes are named after the Queen only as a historical time reference, not
because she advocated the ideas.

Bill.

PS: no, I don't have any references.
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From: CA.FER@forsythe.stanford.edu (Jennifer Gates)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: toppless women on golf course
Date: 19 Nov 1992 09:34:48 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

I thought that this might be of interest to rec.nude...
Too bad it makes people think of nudism = lude behvior...
But really they are the same rights if you think about it.

Jennifer

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From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Subject: Neighbors upset at topless women on golf course


        ROUND ROCK, Texas (UPI) -- Some neighbors of a city-owned golf course
are upset that topless women were allowed on the course during a
tournament sponsored by Austin nightclubs.
        Residents of Oak Bluff, a neighborhood in Round Rock north of Austin,
say they want the practice banned, and the city council appears ready to
comply.
        Oak Bluff resident Arvella Goodrum said she was driving near the golf
course Sept. 28 when she noticed two topless woman as she passed the
eighth tee.
        Goodrum said, ``I was shocked. I turned around and went back to see
if I really saw what I saw. The girls were topless, but they had skimpy
little bottoms on.''
        Round Rock City Council member Jimmy Joseph said he was ``shocked''
to learn that topless women were allowed on the city-owned course. He
said, ``we're going to try to keep it from happening again.''
        The golf tournaments, dating back to 1990, were sponsored by Sugar's
Uptown Cabaret, the Red Rose and the Yellow Rose. Topless dancers who
work at the nightclubs worked for tips driving golf carts and serving
food and drinks.
        Club managers say they have sponsored the popular tournaments at
other Austin-area golf clubs since the mid-1980s.
        Hank Fromme, manager of the Red Rose and the Yellow Rose, said the
women are asked to use discretion at the tournaments, ``but because of
where they work, it's not unusual for the girls to take their tops off.''
        Sugar's manager Howard Lenett said about 30 dancers attended the
events, but they were discouraged from disrobing. Now he says the club
is ``re-evaluating'' the tournaments because of ``concerns about our
public image.''
From: silsbee@f223.n105.z1.fidonet.org (silsbee)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Christian nudists
Date: 15 Nov 92 06:28:00 GMT

In article <1duh11INNdom@network.ucsd.edu> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom
Middleton) writes:


 > christian or just some christians groups or what.)  Given that, why
 > is it that so many good christians chose to judge us and make laws
 > against us doing what we feel is right.

Power.

One other speculation is that perhaps those Christians don't believe in the
wicked being judged any more than non-Christians do.


Wayne
silsbee@f223.n105.z1.fidonet.org
From: CA.FER@forsythe.stanford.edu (Jennifer Gates)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Xplicit players
Date: 20 Nov 1992 10:01:59 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

Does anybody know what has happened with the Xplicit Players after
being 'busted' on Tuesday. I knew that they were planning a
demonstration. But I'd like to know what happend then...

Jennifer
From: landman@hal.COM (Howard Landman)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re:  Christian nudes
Summary: Christians violate Leviticus 19:4 every week.
Date: 20 Nov 92 00:31:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bang.hal.com

I apologize to the group in advance for fighting chapter with verse.  This
post comes in two parts, first a somewhat satirical Bible lesson, and then
a more reasoned discussion.  You'll have to find the demarcation between them
yourself.

>In article <1der1lINNmgv@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> gchatham@cats.ucsc.edu (Gregory Chatham) writes:
>   What I DID mean:  lust = sin

Gee, how curious.  Someone who violates the commandment against worshipping
sculptures every time he goes to church wishes to lecture us on what the
Lord really wants us to do.  WIll wonders never cease?

>(see Rom 14:21 -- "It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine,
>nor do anything that causes your brother to stumble...")

Well, yes, Greg: we all know how anhedonic most of the new testament is,
especially the parts due to Paul (Corinthians comes to mind as a particularly
vitriolic example of life-hating.)  This is, of course, in direct conflict
with many things God Himself says in the Torah.  For example, God specifically
DOES NOT prohibit alcohol, and FORBIDS us to deny to ourselves anything
which He has not explicitly forbidden.  Therefore, any prohibition against
alcohol is in direct violation of God's law.  (Christ himself turned water
into wine for a wedding party - he knew the value of celebration.)  So
Romans 14:21 is just, well, WRONG.  The best thing to do with such stuff
is to follow the Lord's commandment in Deuteronomy 23:13-14 and keep it
outside this newsgroup.

>I am saying that the concerns of those who havn't yet
>reached your stage of "elightenment" concerning
>the proper view of the body, need to be addressed.

That's a valid concern.  But also valid is the concern that people who are
not yet enlightened, expecially children, should be exposed to enlightened
role models so that they can grow in their enlightenment.  We're not
supposed to hide our light under a basket, remember?

Now, this takes some judgement.  It is not an easy call.  I would probably
never take my mother (in her 70's) to a nude beach or a clothing-optional
resort.  We've discussed it, and she's worried that she might have to see
naked men "with their doolollies hanging out".  She would find this rather
upsetting, I think.  However, my teenage niece doesn't seem to be bothered
by it, although so far she has chosen to remain clothed in such surroundings
(a choice I fully respect).

The decision becomes more difficult when it involves strangers.  The question
is, should concern for the possible disturbance of strangers outweigh our
obligation to provide healthy role models to others?  Sometimes, perhaps,
but certainly not to the degree that it's embodied in the legal system.

	Howard A. Landman
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: "robert levita" <robert.levita@canrem.com>
Subject: women who wish to stand
Reply-To: "robert levita" <robert.levita@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 16 Nov 92 09:57:21 EST

Did one word you say have anything to do with nude.rec?
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From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Topless at U of R
Date: 20 Nov 1992 19:31:35 GMT
Organization: Intstitute for Nonlinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Nov20.165615.26692@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlx_ss@tribble.cc.rochester.edu (Jeff Wilcox) writes:
>describing a woman walking around Wilson Commons (the student union) without
>her shirt on.  
>	...
>Primetime.  I guess it really shook up a lot of people.  Great.


Thanks for letting us know about that.  I assume that no arrest was made?

I still can't understand why people get shook up about seeing a womans
breasts.

Newsgroups: rec.nude
Newsgroups: rec.nude

> In article <1992Nov16.135854.12190@waikato.ac.nz> bthoms@waikato.ac.nz writes:
> > While you're digging around on your disks, don't lose sight of the fact that
> >nudism has only existed for a few decades (compared with a couple of thousand
> >years' worth of biblical tradition). 
> 
> Sorry, but all accounts of the discovery of the Americus by Europeans describe
> nude natives. That was 500 years ago.  The natives had been around for a long
> time before that and it can be assumed they were nude all that time.  I am
> sure (but admittedly can not support the argument) that nudism was a natural
> way of life long before biblical tradition.

Actually, I believe that nudism only existed a few decades.  Before that,
it wasn't any kind of "-ism".  People just walked around nude or swam
nude.
From: ales@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ales Fiala)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:45:40 GMT
Subject: Re: Help Preserve Civil Rights in Colorado
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.nude

Although I agree that there is some connection between this amendment
and nudism, I don't see that connection being discussed here.  I would
therefore suggest that this discussion be continued elsewhere in a more
appropriate newsgroup.  In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that was
already happening.  Thank you.
--

Ales Fiala
One of the 47% who voted against this amendment.
From: frandsen@seismo.CSS.GOV (Marvin Vaun Frandsen)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: nude-utah?
Date: 20 Nov 92 02:24:51 GMT
Organization: Center for Seismic Studies, Arlington, VA

My "North American Guide to Nude Recreation" lists two Utah groups, both
unlanded.

Utah Naturists = 801-278-9740, POB 9058, Salt Lake City, Utah  84109.

UTANS = 801-966-0587, POB 70015, West Valley City, UT.  Activities include
"trips to local nude beach."

Good luck.
From: philb@cats.ucsc.edu (Philip Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Nudes on Compuserve, GEnie and Prodigy
Date: 21 Nov 1992 20:24:51 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


ab016@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scotty Meredith) writes:




>Is there any nudist areas like rec.nude on C-Serve, GEnie or Prodigy??

>Please post here, because my mailbox is full.


No, but there is on DELPHI! and delphi's cheaper than all those other
services, and it gives you internet mail at cheaper rates, I believe>
($3.00 for TEN MEGS of mail a month!!!)

send mail to SERVICE@delphi.com if you want more info.

Oh, did I mention you can also connect to delphi via telnet :-)

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From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Christian nudists
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:56:09 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Nov16.135854.12190@waikato.ac.nz> bthoms@waikato.ac.nz writes:
> While you're digging around on your disks, don't lose sight of the fact that
>nudism has only existed for a few decades (compared with a couple of thousand
>years' worth of biblical tradition). 

Sorry, but all accounts of the discovery of the Americus by Europeans describe
nude natives. That was 500 years ago.  The natives had been around for a long
time before that and it can be assumed they were nude all that time.  I am
sure (but admittedly can not support the argument) that nudism was a natural
way of life long before biblical tradition.
From: wtjones@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Bill Jones)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:46:43 GMT
Subject: Re: women who wish to stand
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.nude



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WHOOP....WHOOP....WHOOP....WHOOP....WHOOP

EEEEoooooEEEEEEEooooooEEEEEEEEoooooooEEEEEEEEooooo

The r.nNP  (rec.nude Net Police) are coming...
Lets see how this thread can last..
  Okay...Go for it....
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From: john@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (John Blasik)
Subject: Re: Three Nude Guys
Organization: We don't need no stinkin' batches!
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:16:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.012748.11112@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jmayson@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Mayson) writes:
>
>That's as bad as a story I heard several months ago.  A Florida woman
>(somewhere in the Tampa Bay area I think) was arrested for swimming in
>the Gulf of Mexico in the buff.  The police went in after her, cuffed her,
>paraded her up the beach, tossed her in the squad car, and booked her
>while she was still completely nude.  She's suing the police dept.
>

Ah.. but this one had a happy ending.

From the Sand Flea, Newsletter of the Space Coast Naturists, Sept 1992
(culled from the ASA Bulletin and Naturist Action Newsletter, Aug. 1992):

	  A federal jury awarded $135,000 recently to a skinny-dipper
	on the basis that her civil rights were violated during a 1990
	arrest. Roxanne Murasso and a male companion went skinny-dipping
	at Madiera Beach in June of 1990. A police officer on patrol
	found their clothes and demanded that they dress. Murasso was
	handcuffed, driven 16 blocks, and led into the police station
	while still nude. Her male companion was allowed to dress.
	Charges of indecent exposure were dismissed. The police officer,
	Lt. Matthew McShane, was forced to resign after details of
	the arrest were made public.


typos are mine
-- john
From: bthoms@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Christian nudists
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:29:22 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <kg60826@pro-harold.cts.com>, leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick) writes:

> 
> Bibical tradition is a few thousan years old! New fangled religions! Give
> me that old time religion, Taoism. As to nudity being only a few decades
> old, get real. Clothing became compulsory due to Queen Victoria and her
> anal-retentive hang-ups. Nudity has been a lifestyle since day one or which
> ever day your God is supposed to have created "Man" If one was cold they
> wore something, if not they bared skin as necessary to be comfortable.
> 
...
> 
> It's been a long time since I read the bible but I remeber passages about
> homosexual practices. In my opinion (not humble) homosexuality is a God
> given since God is the ultimate source of all creation. Sorry to stray from
> the topic of nudity.

My opinion remains humble, and I certainly don't disagree with anything
Lee says, however, as a rather bumbling ancient history research student
in my spare time, naked people have existed for centuries, nudists haven't,
and homosexuals have existed as long as humanity, but gays/lesbians haven't.
My point, albeit obscure, is that you cannot treat literal texts referring
to ancient social phenomena to criticise or proscribe modern social 
phenomena for which there is no equivalent. The best example is the modern
jurisprudence which starts to accept that "exposure" is not necessarily
"indecent", when (20 years ago) there would have been no question. Many 
theologians argue that gay and lesbian relationships are not proscribed by
the Bible, because the (few) references there are refer to homosexuality
from a heterosexual social perspective, not a gay/lesbian one (i.e. the 
basic social rules are different). Similarly (yes there is a point) some
churches condemn nudism on the basis of scripture, but since Jesus never
met a nudist (maybe as opposed to a naked person) in the first century AD,
the concepts need to be re-evaluated for a community where nudity is not
necessarily sexual, crude, suggestive or offensive. I would be more hopeful
if such churches handled re-thinking better. ...and, for the record, most
of the time, nudity is a normal social experience, but sometimes it feels
so good that it is spiritual!

Brent Thomson, Waikato, NZ
From: Francene.Florio@f583.n107.z1.ieee.org (Francene Florio)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: HOT TUB HAVEN
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:53:36 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:107/583 - Starship ][, Lyndhurst NJ

Hey where is every "body"?  Don't you all have anything to contribute?  zi I
do.  Have this friend who has a great hot tub haven facility.  Monthly 
extreme , anything goes sort of atmosphere.  Questions?  Answers? Comments?
Suggestions?  Interested? ...Leave a reply.  
Jump In the Water's Fine
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From: ab016@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scotty Meredith)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Nudes on Compuserve, GEnie and Prodigy
Date: 21 Nov 1992 13:26:02 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ab016@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scotty Meredith)
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Is there any nudist areas like rec.nude on C-Serve, GEnie or Prodigy??

Please post here, because my mailbox is full.

Thanks,
scotty
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From: bthoms@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Christian nudists
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:58:54 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <ke75672@pro-harold.cts.com>, leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick) writes:
>>I know some people (as above) are complaining that this discussion doesn't
> belong here.  However, I am very interested in examining the subject of
> whether Christians may be nudists.  I don't think we have gotten to the
> heart of the issue yet.  Perhaps we should look at all the references
> which seem to *require* clothing and see if we can determine the underlying
> reasons.<
> 
> I actually dug out a Christian Bible on floppy disks that someone gave me
> this summer. As soon I as I clear some space on my hard drive, I'll install
> it and do some searches.
 While you're digging around on your disks, don't lose sight of the fact that
nudism has only existed for a few decades (compared with a couple of thousand
years' worth of biblical tradition). Nudists have done a whole lot in our time
to create communities where nudity is significantly different than most
situations where biblical writers might comment on it. IMHO the Bible doesn't
say anything about nudists, feminists, lesbians & gays or a number of groups of
people who are a sociological product of the modern world, therefore the whole
argument needs to be re-interpreted.

Brent Thomson, Waikato, NZ
From: stas@netcom.com (Stanislav Malyshev)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Berkeley's Naked Guy
Date: 22 Nov 92 08:06:03 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Altough I haven't seen TNG in person on campus, the impression he gave
during an interview on local news was that of a dimwit.  Perhaps he
had smoked some Bill Clinton and was unable to handle the duress of
the braindead interview.

-S
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From: Barry.Kapke@f133.n914.z8.rbbs-net.ORG (Barry Kapke)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: X-Plicit Players
Date: 21 Nov 92 16:42:44 GMT

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* Forwarded by Barry Kapke (8:914/133)
* Area : BAYNUDE (Bay Area Naturist Lifestyle & Chat)
=============================================================================

Hello All!

It seems like there is a lot of nakedness happening on the UC campus these
days.

The Wednesday, November 18, edition of THE DAILY CALIFORNIAN reports that a nude
performance troupe, the X-Plicit Players, were arrested during a demonstration
on Sproul Plaza to protest the university's policy on public nudity. Apparently
the three-person troupe was barred from performing in the buff in a campus drama
class, hence prompting this group's protest against UCB Chancellor Tien's recent
ban on "indecent exposure, public nudity and lewd or sexually offensive
conduct." Public nudity is not illegal under state or city law unless
accompanied by lewd or sexually motivated behavior. The university will not take
further actions against the demonstrators.

Ciao.
Barry (1:125/33, 8:914/133, 88:881/172, 93:9050/0, 94:5100/1, 96:101/33)

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From: ben@val.com (Ben Thornton)
Subject: Re: Yet another FAQ
Organization: Video Associates Labs - Austin, TX
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:31:45 GMT

In article <1ei071INNfp5@smaug.West.Sun.COM> Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM (Richard M. Mathews) writes:
>One more bit of feedback I wanted to request on these FAQs: what should
>the posting schedule be?  While it stays 2 volumes, does posting one
>about the middle of each month and the other around the beginning of
>each month sound reasonable?  Or should they be posted together?

I vote for once per month posted together.

BTW, thanks for taking the time to work on these.  They will come in
very handy when the warm weather starts :-).

  -- ben








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