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From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: Re: When did the 1971 war start?
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 05:48:44 GMT
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The war proper is the one between Mukthi bahini and Pakistani troops. That
started with formal declaration of war on 26th of March.

Naeem
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From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: Lok Sabha source?(Re: Victory Day in Bangladesh (what about India?)
	<NAEEM.92Dec21185331@occs.cs.oberlin.edu> <1h5niaINNb1d@hsc.usc.edu>
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 07:04:03 GMT
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In article <1h5niaINNb1d@hsc.usc.edu> banerjee@hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes: [>  and >>]

   > 1. 10,000 Indian soldiers were killed and more than twice that many injure

NAEEM: Source?

>>This was based on GOI estimates of casualties as presented to the Lok Sabha.
							           ^^^^^^^^^
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Can you quote source other than Lok Sabha? I.e. source I can access in the US.



   >   3.  Money spent on housing refugees, most of whom went onto become
   >   de-facto Indian citizens. 

NAEEM: Source?

>>This is a hard one. You will have to visit the refugee camps in Dandakaryanya
>>and elsewhere to see for yourself why 21 years after the war ended, none of 
>>these people want to go back home and the GOI continues to support them 
>>while keeping the camps open, all at the cost of the Indian tax payer.
>>There are various reports presented to the Lok Sabha
--------
Do you have any printed references for this? I did not make the claim.
Therefore, it is not my responsibility to go to the camp and verify the facts.


> resist the onslaught from Bagha Siddique's Santi Bahini. However terrorists 
			    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
NAEEM: Source for this name?
  
>>Indian press reports quoting BD sources as saying that this group has been
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You misunderstood the question. I wanted to know where you found the name of 
a Shanti bahini commander being "Bagha Siddique".


-NM
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From: zaman@asdsun.larc.nasa.gov (Khan Fakhruzzaman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Soc.culture.religion.indian-subcontinent
Date: 24 Dec 1992 22:03:24 GMT
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If you really want a nonbiased name, drop the word 'indian' 
from it. Better say, soc.culture.religion.subcontinent. 
Subcontinent is the word well understood throughout the 
world. Moreover, it will never hurt the feelings of anyone 
(I hope) from the nations of subcontinent (eg. Nepal, Bhutan
Sri Lanka, Maldwip.....)

Regards
Fakhruzzaman
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: East Pakistani (!) Jamati strikes on Victory Day
Date: 22 Dec 1992 19:29:27 GMT
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In article <1h2s4mINN7ns@crcnis1.unl.edu>, fall266@cse.unl.edu () writes:
>mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:
>
>>In article <1gtmgsINN3db@crcnis1.unl.edu>, fall217@cse.unl.edu () writes:
>>>mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:
>
>>No, I do not derive inspiration from Bhutto & co. But probably you know
>>about the hadith about the dead dog and Jesus Christ. Everybody else said
>>what a rotten dog; but Jesus said look how white his teeth. What I value is
>>their sacrificing their life to stick on to what they believed in: the victory
>>of mind over matter. Their ideal may be wrong; but that's a different story.
> I am sorry I dont have a very good communication skills there for is it 
>possible for you to clearify what do really mean and My knowledge of Islam is 
>limited there for I really never heard this hadith if possible give me a refference where I can find the actual hadith.
>


I guess the miscommunication was the source of a lot of problem. As far as
I am concerned miscommunication is the root of all problems. However this
discussion is getting personal so please reply by e-mail if you want to
follow up.
My intention of quoting the Hadith was not to criticize your knowledge of 
Islam; but to point out that the essence of all religions is to forgive
the bad parts and copy the good parts of any person or system.
Also "praying for death" in mundane English will mean that you want
somebody to die. If you mean that you will pray that Allah will excuse
the transgressions: that's a noble sentiment. We can all use some prayers.

>I belive that one of the key responsible of the IMF is bhai.  So where is love
> for every one when IMF sucks the blood of poor third world countries by charg
>ing interest ob the investment. I know even in bangladesh they dictated the 
>taxes for street person.
>
The essence of Islam is not to trust third-hand knowledge. I guess you are
talking about John Huddlestone. I hope you will read his book "Earth is but
One Country" before forming an opinion of him.
Love
Arindam
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Subject: Brition asks Dhaka and UNHCR to end refugees row
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 04:13:39 PST
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RTw  12/31 0726  BRITAIN ASKS DHAKA AND UNHCR TO END REFUGEE ROW
 
    DHAKA, Dec 31, Reuter - Britain told Bangladesh and the United Nations High
Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) on Thursday to end a row over the return of
thousands of Moslem refugees to their homes in Burma.
    "It is plainly desirable that the refugees should be returned to Burma in
conditions where it is safe and where they are willing to go back," British
Home Secretary (interior minister) Kenneth Clarke told a news conference.
    "My government's suggestion was that any misunderstanding between
Bangladesh and the UNHCR in this respect should be resolved," he said.
    Clarke is on a three-day visit to Dhaka, the first leg of a tour of
Bangladesh, India and Pakistan to discuss bilateral issues including
immigration.
    He said he discussed the refugees with Prime Minister Begum Khaleda Zia
during a 45-minute meeting on Thursday.
    More than 265,000 refugees, known as Rohingyas, have fled to Bangladesh in
the past 18 months to escape alleged military persecution in Burma's west
Arakan state.
    Nearly 6,000 have returned home since repatriation began last September
following an agreement between Dhaka and Rangoon.
    But the UNHCR withdrew from relief operations last month alleging that
Bangladesh had coerced some refugees into returning. Dhaka denied the charge and
accused the UNHCR of trying to "dictate terms which are beyond its mandate."
    The U.S. State Department gave strong backing to the UNHCR and asked Dhaka
cooperate to ensure the refugees were protected.
    But Clarke said Britain had a slightly different view on the subject.
    "I did not on behalf of my government make the same allegation as the U.S.
State Department was making.
    "The desired aim is that refugees should return to Burma and they should be
properly received in Burma with no ill-treatment there. And that's what we
wish to see.
    "I think misunderstanding over the present situation would go if the
government of Bangladesh and the UNHCR were closer together on this issue," he
said.
    Clarke said he also discussed with Bangladeshi leaders possible
cooperation in fighting drug trafficking.
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Subject: ROOM AVAILABLE IN PURDUE : JAN-AUG
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 04:01:25 GMT


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From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: Re: Re : alt.culture.bengali
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 08:18:46 GMT
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In article <Bzzs2r.GG7@news.udel.edu> khaleq@brahms.udel.edu (Mohame Khalequzzaman) writes:

> on alt.culture .bengali

>  How many people in Pakistan speak Bengali, let alone LOVE Bengali language
>  and culture?  
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No harm done in giving them benefit of doubt. Usually, when calls for new 
groups are sent out, standard protocol has been to post notice on all
boards related to region in any way, even if chances of response are remote.

naeem
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From: banerjee@hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Ganga Water sharing (was Re: Victory in ....about India?)
Date: 23 Dec 92 23:30:46 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1992Dec23.150654.1@engvms.unl.edu> mermmzh@engvms.unl.edu writes:

>> Brahmaputra (which flows through areas having a much lower density of 
>> population) with tha Ganga and not by constructing a reservoir in Nepal
>                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
> Why not? If that helps all three countries, what is the problem with
>that?

You obviously did not read my posting in it's entirety. The reasons why the 
BD Government insists on having a reservoir in Nepal are not hard to find.
It will make the Farrakka barrage in West Bengal redundant and control
over the river water will pass from a supposedly "aggressive" neighbour
to one that is more accomodating and friendly. The assumption here is
that this perceived friendship will translate into additional water
for BD, at India's expense, of course.

Construction of such a reservoir might therfore help BD and Nepal but I
doubt if you can say the same for India.

Samit 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
From: mikail@cesdis7.gsfc.nasa.gov (Mikail Shams)
Subject: Re: Sick and tired of... ( A request to scb readers)
Organization: Center of Excellence in Space Data and Information Sciences
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:01:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.000426.26989@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, mkaziz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (KHALED AZIZ) writes:
|> 
|> Well, I've tried my best to keep to my shut and show respect to the
|> freedom of speech, but sorry folks, I can't take this any more.  I've had
|> enough and I am sick and tired of all these relegion related articles in
|> SCB.  Maybe religion does play a role in our society but that doesn't mean
|> this is the only thing we should talk about.  
|> 
|> 
|> I know "this is free forum", "everybody has the right to express his/her
|> opinions", "this is a un-moderated news-group" and I know I am going to get
|> responses like "who the hell are you to decide what should be discussed
|> here and what shouldn't be?" and "I can post whatever I want to (who
|> cares it is relevant to SCB or not!)" etc. etc., but I have the right to
|> speak-up as well and I don't have any respect for the people who doesn't
|> have the common-sense to realize that there is a number of news-groups
|> available for discussing religious issues.
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> 
|> Khaled Aziz

Dear Friends:

	I haven't read scb in a long time, so I had a couple of hundred
unread articles.  I just skimmed through the titles and hit the 'Fed up'
key.  As my dear friend Khaled wrote in the above article take your 
discussions to other news groups.  I suggest soc.culture.religion.islam.
national-enquirer.for.south.asia.  So stop this nonsense and lets have 
some meaningful mature discussions in scb.


P E A C E out

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: an3925@anon.penet.fi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: SALA DEB CHATTERJEE KA G*** ME LATH MARO MERE MUSLIM BHAIO
Date: 1 Jan 93 23:51:01 GMT
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BENGALI barking dog hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam) writes:

>>OTHER DOG THAT DEEPAK BOSEADIKA BARKING AGAIN 
>>APRIL FOOL BABY :-))))))))))  MERE G*** MEN DUM HAI.
>>
>>DEEPAK BOSE KI G*** MEN HAATI KA L*** :-)))))))
>>SALA KUTTEY KI AULAD :))))))))))))
>>
>>HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!
>>
>>MUSTAFA IBRAHIM 
>>
>>imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu
>
>Another demonstration of Mustafa's rapier sharp wit.
>
>Hassan


What know you of wit, you filthy, loud barking pedigreeless, Sonar Bangla dog.
Your sonar Bangla has only soil and water and floods and monsoon.
That why that you the people soooooooo poooooooor. Come to Pakistan to beg.
No food to eat at home. :))))))))))))))))))))))))
We F*** your ass in 1971 by killing 1 million Sonar Bangla dogs and bitches
and we do again if India not intervene. You survive at Pak Army mercy
and now bark like street dog. How funny, so many dogs barking :)))))))

MUSTAFA I.

imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu

I. MUSTAFA, THERREFOR I POST. :)))))))))))))))))))))))
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From: tun@quark.SFSU.EDU (Coban Tun)
Subject: Burma: More burmese refugees leave B'desh
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Executive News Svc.($)
 
RTw  12/20 0330  MORE BURMESE REFUGEES LEAVE BANGLADESH
 
    COX'S BAZAR, Bangladesh, Dec 20, Reuter - More than 500 Burmese refugees
returned home from Bangladesh on Sunday, bringing the total number of
returnees to 4,034 since repartiation began in September, officials said.
    They said the 119 families of Rohingya Moslems were accompanied by
Bangladeshi repatriation official Monwar Hossain Akahand when they left
Nayapara transit camp near the border.
    Some 265,000 Rohingyas have fled to Bangladesh to escape alleged military
persecution at home.
    Dhaka says the majority of them now want to go back, but unofficial sources
say the refugees are still seeking assurances that the United Nations High
Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) will supervise their repatriation.
    The UNHCR recently alleged that Dhaka was forcing the Rohingyas to return.
Bangladesh has rejected the allegation.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: "commie" doublespeak (Re:why India intervened in '71
	<1992Dec21.142125.27327@Princeton.EDU>
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:32:03 GMT
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In article <1992Dec21.142125.27327@Princeton.EDU> deb@soil.Princeton.EDU (Arghya Deb) writes:
>To use this as a pretext to gloss over the Indian contribution is
>a typical act of communist double-speak.
----		  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^	

Double-speak or the art of hypocrisy in international diplomacy is not 
indigenous to "communist"s [I put it in quotes because I question your
understanding of the term beyond standard western media whitewash]. Rather
it was brought to perfection in usage by western powers, esp. NATO and
the US neo-colonial agents (Kissinger, McNamara, Westmoreland, etc). 

--
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From: 5916rahmank@vms.csd.mu.edu ( )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Bengali literature for western friends
Date: 24 Dec 1992 22:30:15 GMT
Organization: Department of EECE, Marquette University
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	I remember a book called "The thief of love" by Edward C. Dimock,
	about Bengali tales from court and village, University of Chicago 
	Press1, 1963.

	BTW, "A Poet Apart: ..." by C. B. Seely is not a translation of
	Jibanananda Das's work, rather a literary biography of the poet.

	-Anis.
From: t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu (Bijoy Sagar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re : alt.culture.bengali
Date: 27 Dec 1992 20:43:50 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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Samit and others,

	I got the impression from your letters that the newsgroup
alt.culture.bengali is *being* pushed. So, here are certain 
clarifying points:

	I am following the suggestions of Christopher Samuel,
( ccs@aber.ac.uk) who maintains the FAQ on the topic and this
FAQ can be accessed from the relevent newsgroups.


	Unlike a soc.* group, an alt.* group can be created by
almost anyone. And alt.* groups need not have a VOTING stage.

	However, since I proposed this group, I plan to have 
referundum 3  weeks after the posting appeared on alt.config
and soc.culture.indian. The three weeks are required for all
interested parties to read the charter and offer their opinions
on the charter, purpose and the name of the group. 

	After 3 weeks I would expect a nutral person with
resources ( preferably someone who has no interest in the
newsgroup or the destruction of it) to keep track of voting.
The voting results will be posted in alt.config, soc.culture.
indian, soc.culture.pakistan and in any other newsgroups of
relevence. The newsgroup CAN STILL be created even if the
newsgroup fails to win support but I would not PUSH for it,
if it fails the vote. And I hope, it will pass.

	After the voting stage ( which will end 2 weeks 
after it is opened) I shall send out the nesgroup control
message.

	This means that Samit and everyone else who think that
A.c.b is not required, have 5 weeks to push their point of view.
Now tell me, am I PUSHING IT?? 

	Now, to those who think that voting is mandatory,
if we are willing to go through all that pain, we  might
as well move this newsgroup to soc.culture.* heirarchy or 
still better soc.lang.bengali, sci.lang.bengali or to
talk.lang.bengali.

	I would be happy to answer any questions anyone might
have in the following 5 weeks.

	I also need volunteers to help me through the voting
process.    

	Lastly, I would recommend that all postings connected
to this newsgroup may also be cross posted in alt.config, so
that a wider range of net populace will have access to it. 
Needless to say, every newsgroup in USENET is open to everyone

Bijoy Sagar
t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu
From: an3919@anon.penet.fi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re : New newsgroup : alt.culture.bengali
Date: 27 Dec 92 01:10:11 GMT
Organization: Anonymous contact service
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>I am proposing the creation of a new newsgroup called alt.culture.bengali.
>This newsgroup is intented to be a place to discuss Bengali language,
>literature and other aspects of Bengali culture.


	stuff deleted .......

>
>Draft charter of the newsgroup
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>This new newsgroup is mainly intented to discuss:
>(a) The structure and construction of Bengali language
>(b) growth of Bengali language in post-independent India
>(c) The literature of Bengali people
>(d) The men of letters.
>(e) Bengali language and transliteration.
>(f) Dialects, deviants and schools within the language.
>(g) Other art media that use Bengali language.
>(h) Bengali cultural institutions
>(i) Politics of power and the language.
>(j) Any other topic of relative merit and interest.
>
	What about Bangladeshi language?

>
>I hope I will receive a favorable response.
>
>- Bijoy Sagar

I think that this group should be welcomed. I vote YES for the creation of this newsgroup.

- Joydeep Mitra         
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