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From: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul J. Schinder)
Subject: Re: Bicycles & liability insurance
Reply-To: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 01:57:39 GMT

In <1992Apr10.202652.18492@tcsi.com> gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu) writes:

[bicycle-motorcycle interaction story deleted]

>     So what am I trying to say with this story?  No, I think mandatory
>bicycle insurance would be a nightmare to enforce.  However, working in
>the student town of Berkeley, I see bicyclists breaking traffic laws
>*every* single day, many times to the detriment of the safety of themselves
>and those around them.

I'll bet you see motorists breaking traffic laws *every* single day,
too.  I certainly do.  Tailgating and speeding are the two favorite
occupations of Marylanders, and it's easy to find motorists blowing
off stop signs, and even on occasion running red lights.

>Liscensing and training of bicyclists would also
>prove itself unenforcable.

Why would it prove itself more unenforcible than licensing and
"training" (hah! what a joke :-( ) motor vehicle operators?

>How about stricter enforcement of traffic laws
>for bicyclists?

Bingo.  As a bicyclist, I'd certainly support this.  I'll bet I go
ballistic when I'm out bicycling more than you do when I see cyclists
do damn stupid things on the road; but I go ballistic when I see idiot
motorists as well, and I see *far* more of them (and they actually
carry little cards indicating that they're qualified to drive). But
how are you going to convince the police to take bicycling offenses
seriously, especially when they're busy trying to prevent operators of
one ton death machines from killing?  Frankly, although in a perfect
world I'd like to seem ticket bicylists breaking the law, in this
world I'd much rather see them spend their time removing criminal
motorists from the road; bicyclists are far less likely to cause
others harm.

>     I'll tell you one thing for sure: if I'm ever in an accident with a
>bicyclist, I'm going to insist on proof of identification.  If said
>bicyclist caused the accident, I'm going to insist we wait for the police
>so he can be ticketed.  I'd demand the same for a motorist or motorcyclist,
>and I don't see any reason to treat a bicyclist any differently.

I don't blame you.

>							George

> 
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From: jdriver@netlink.cts.com (John Driver)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: re:  Advice about mtb (Yokota)
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:11:50 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA


b645zjo@utarlg.uta.edu (Rick Homard) writes:
 
> I recently came across a bike that a neighbor wants to sell.  It is
> a Yokota, hardly ridden (under 50 miles).  The bike is a '90 model.
> Does anybody have advice, gripes, kudos, et al  regarding the Yokota?
                                            
 
        I have a Yokota and think it is a very nice bike.  
This particular mtb frame is very durable (cro-mo double 
butted); I got it off of a friend who was smacked by a car and 
pretzeled the frame.  I bought it off of him for 35 bucks and 
took a sledge hammer to the frame and have been riding it 
without problem since, including some rough fire trails and 
offroading spots, but mostly as a touring bike.  It is one of 
the lightest frames I have as well.               

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From: iyermish@sjuphil.uucp (I. Yermish)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Seeking Touring Bike Recommendations
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:34:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: sjuphil.1992Apr7.193437.18985
Organization: Saint Joseph's University

In article <702327086.0@selene.FidoNet> Mary.Hanson@f99.n121.z1.FidoNet.Org (Mary Hanson) writes:
>
> > (those damn
> > buyers guides!) but whatever it was, I'm now looking for
> > a new touring
> > cycle.
>I think you should look at a TREK 520.  These are not cheap, but  I think they are as fine a touring bike as any.
>
>
> * Origin: NineJackNine / 608-256-5697 / Madison WI / (1:121/99.0)


As an owner of a six year old TREK 400, I can echo the recommendation for
any of the TREK Sport/Touring Models.
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Univega bikes
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:29:36 GMT

I would like some opinions on Univega. I was checking out one
of there Hybreeds, and it had great components, but was wondering
about there Frame quality
.
-- 
                        Scott Streeter
                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
From: v561whw2@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Kevin P O'Neill)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: MTB races in western NY, north-western PA, and southern Ontario.
Keywords: Oops, I gave the wrong e-mail address
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:45:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	My correct address is V561WHW2@UBVMS.BITNET

						Sorry,
							Kevin
From: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se (Torsten Lif)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Commuting on a Bicycle
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:07:41 GMT
Reply-To: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB

In article AA02003@hplomg.hpl.hp.com, BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM () writes:
>Gary Robishaw writes:
>
>> I too perspire profusly during my commute, irregardless of the weather.
>
>Disirregardles of whether one perspires or not, body aroma is the real
>compelling reason to shower.  However, not all perspiring humans cause
>objectionable odors.  In fact, I suspect the majority does not do so,
>but this obviously goes unnoticed by its absence.  It is my experience
>that for some people a deodorant of one kind or another is sufficient,
>for others, nothing works.

A small bit of trivia here: Sweat does not smell. The aroma/stink is
caused by the break-down products left by bacteria that live off the
moisture and whatever they can find on the skin. I've found that an
antiseptic like rubbing alcohol or AlcoGel (denaturated 70% (140 proof)
ethanol in a gel base) will get rid of B.O. much more efficiently than
any normal soap or detergent. Of course, washing your entire body in
alcohol isn't often a practical solution (unless you're touring in
Cognac... :-} ), but most of the smell seems to come from the armpits,
and cleaning them with an antiseptic when you've showered will kill the
bacteria so that even if you do sweat later on in the day, the smell
will be minimal.

A deodorant merely "paints over" the smell by hiding it with an even
stronger one. An antiperspirant is more efficient but the health issue
of smearing yourself with aluminium hydroxide is not fully resolved.

>jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com

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From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BICYCLE CRASH
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:17:47 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Apr13.195341.4495@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.214232.10660@uunet.uu.net!trintex> elr@uunet.uu.net!trintex (Unix Guru-in-Training) writes:
>>
>>Maybe preferable to having a car swerve in front of YOU, but I will
>>take my chances bicycling in the middle of the lane any day of the
>>week.  Car doors are stationary -- at least the car cutting me off is
>>still moving and I have some time to react.  Also, the obnoxious driver
>>cutting me off when I'm in the middle of the lane usually sees me first,
>>and has taken some rudimentary precautions not to scratch the paint on
>>his/her cage.  A bozo who throws their car door open in my path is not
>>paying any attention to the road at all.
>>
>>Be careful saying what's "preferable" unless you've had a chance to try
>>both options...
>
>I HAVE seen the aftermath of both options. In the case of the car door, there
>was a very pissed off biker and a damaged bicycle. In the case of the car
>swerving into traffic, the guy was rushed to the ER at UCSF (he made after
>3 days in ICU).
>

Not all aftermaths are created equal.  A bicyclist was killed in Santa Cruz
last year when a cager opened his door in front of the cyclist.  I don't
know any details, I'm afraid.
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From: khe@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Keith Erskine)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:01:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Neat Idea for Road Bike Drop-In type bars
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

In rec.bicycles, seldon@milton.u.washington.edu (Hari Seldon) writes:

> 
> I was hanging around my local shop lately, and spotted something that I
> though was almost perfect as a solution..
> 
> The new rage in drop bars is the Scott drop-in with it's extra aero position
> in the drops..  I have heard people discuss the Breakaway bar, and have seen
> one, nice idea, just connect the bottom of the drops with a bar.
> 
> But then, I saw it, the perfect solution(well maybe not perfect :)) This guy
> had stuck a pair of Control Stix, the straight small ones, at the end of the
> drops.  Bingo, drop ins!!  I would say this is one instance where a road biker
> COULD benefit from mtb technology, which was developed from the riding 
> position

This is a good idea, I've also seen people doing it.  The only drawback
is for USCF racers, this setup might not be mass start race legal.
It is illegal for the handlebar end to point forward for mass start events.

Given this rule, the old fashioned Onza bar ends with no curve that mount
perpendicular to the bar would be race legal, because the handlebar end 
would not point forward.

Any bar end that forms an angle of less than 90% to the handlebar or has
an inward curve is illegal because the end will point forward.

Another drawback is Scott drop-ins can be found for $30 at Colo Cyclist,
which is no more than most bar ends.  I'm sure the Scotts are lighter
than normal bars with clipons, based on the weight of the Scott AT-3.

Keith Erskine
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: dmlieber@jarthur.claremont.edu (Stu)
Subject: Bottom bracket on MTB
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 06:49:51 GMT

Just recently I damaged the bottom bracket on my MTB, and would like
to replace it as soon as posible.  It's a Trek 830 with what I believe
is a Shimano Exage 300LX bottom bracket, but I would like to move on
to a more durable settup.  I've been told that Phil Wood's are good
because they're sealed, maintanance free, and should last the life time 
of the bike, but I can't personally afford that right now.  I would
like to know if Phil Wood's are trully that good, and If there's 
anything considerably cheaper out there, that would also be so sturdy
and maintanance free.  Thanks.
Stu
From: leka@mamane.ifa.hawaii.edu (K.D.Leka)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Promoter's Responsibilites?
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:44:31 GMT
Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii

Hello netland;

Anyone have any ideas on how to get promoters to provide what most
would call "basic necessities?"  Yes, specifically a porta-potty or somesuch.

Here in Hawaii we have the problem of *very* few of the promoters doing
so, relying on the bushes.  Well, often you're at a criterium in a 
industrial park (no bushes) on a SUnday (no restrooms, except the
McD's 5 miles away) or in the middle of the pineapple fields for a
RR, in which case you just hope that the pineapples have grown high
enough and no cane spider decides to pay you a visit at an inoppourtune
time!

The complaint they have is that such facilities cost $200, and they
can't afford it.  We're already paying entry fees of $15-$20, 
(I saw one criterium is listed for $30 if you don't sign up a MONTH
in advance!!) and I don't think we can (the racers) pay much more.
(Well, it might be ok if the prizes were more than $15, but that's another
story...)

I looked in the 1991 (it was handy) rule book, and didnt' see anything
on 'minimum facilities which must be provided' or such.

Any ideas?  The only other things I saw applicable were that if it is
deemed a requirement by the officials or some other rep. of the USCF, 
then the promotor would have to follow their requirments, but that was
it.

Help!  I'm getting sick of digging a hole in the red dirt!

		-KD
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: hoadley@crayxmp.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bryan D. Hoadley)
Subject: YAKAMA issue resolved?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Spaces Co.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 22:18:22 GMT


To kill any last questions about YAKAMA's

I just purchased a complete system directly from them as a team special...

Ordered from Marketing in Arcata CALIFORNIA...
Shipped from wharehouse in Arcata CALIFORNIA...
Bill to be paid to Arcata CALIFORNIA...
And on the outside of all the boxes it says "Made in CALIFORNIA, USA"

This can only lead to one conclusion...Yakama must be located in Washington!

				Bryan...
From: bruce@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (Bruce Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Is indexed shifting standard?
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:21:48 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System) writes:
>acc23403@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Anthony C.) writes:
>>... My friends bike is a bianchi ibex
>>and mine is a parkpre something or other. Both of our bikes
>>use the Shimano 200GS whatchamacallits, but his shifters are suntour
>>and mine are shimano (sti?).  My question is, is  indexed shifting
>>supposed to be standard?

>It is these days unless you buy a really cheap bike.  200GS is indexed.  If the
>shifters are single lever, above the bar, then there is an additional small
>lever on the rear (right hand) shifter to switch in and out of indexed mode -
>the postions are marked "F" for friction and "SIS" for indexed.  If your
>shifters are the two lever below the bar type, then they are indexed and should
>be returned to the shop for servicing or replacement if they aren't working.

   *******
   if I understand the question in the first note (congratulations on getting
   a 'parkpre something or other' btw), there are differing opinions about
   whether or not you can mix suntour and shimano index systems -- most folks
   have enough trouble getting compatible systems to work, let alone try to
   mix apples and oranges/hyperglide & accushift/whatever..

   the bianchi uses the suntour pushbutton index sysm, which I've fround to
   be far more durable and less fukupprone than the shimano variety, especially
   in the sub-deore price range (although a guy had a stumpjumper comp in last
   night that was barely less than a year old and the deore DX pushbutton
   for the front der was definitely blown), and seems to be one of the main
   reasons bianchi has used these (suntour) sysms -- they also have the advan-
   tage of allowing you to 'dump' the rear der (shift from the highest cog to
   the lowest cog with one stroke, vs. two or even three pumps for the shitmano)
   and the increased reliability that comes from using far fewer moving parts
   and beefier, simpler mechanisms -- something like seven moving parts per
   side/suntour as opposed to ~42 per side/shimano.  also, when the suntour
   levers break (rare), you can replace the part.  when the shimanos start to
   screw up/get flakey/quit working altogether (not at all rare), you have to 
   replace the whole can (don't you love black boxes?), if/when you can find
   one.

   .....like I said, "good luck," tony.


   anyone who cares to take exception to the above is welcome to do so, they're
   (mostly) my opinions interspersed with solid fact, but if you feel a flame
   coming on, do us both a favor and save it, unless you have a pretty solid
   (like ten years) base of actual experience working on the stuff and dealing
   with the companies for repair parts, ok?

   ride bike (except in the case of thunderstorms, in which case ride bike
   with fenders)

   bruce
From: ssands@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Steve Sands)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Girvin Flex Stem
Date: 14 Apr 1992 14:50:11 GMT
Reply-To: ssands@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Steve Sands)
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Originator: ssands@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu


Has anyone used the Girvin Flex Stem?? What do you think of
it??  Does anyone have the name and address of the manufacturer
with the name of a company official?
Thanks

Steve Sands
ssands@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu
From: sery@crunch.unm.edu (sery)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Multiple Free Laps
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:01:20 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico

Norman Bernstein writes:
>warsa@lacerta.unm.edu (j warsa) writes:
>
>>This post is primarily directed to Les Ernest, but I thought it might
>>provoke general discussion.
>
>>A new USCF rule was introduced this year allowing multiple free laps in 
>>criteriums. It appears that it is being abused. Several times this year,
>>I have seen guys stopping behind crashes, and even though they weren't
>>really involved, getting free laps. At the Tempe Grand Prix, for instance,
>>Hegg got back in after one of the early crashes (of the very many!). Later, 
>>he stopped in FRONT of a crash with about 10 laps to go, and got a nice 
>>2-lap rest before the finale. 
>
>The free lap rule is very specific.  You get a free lap in the event of
>a mishap.  A mishap is defined as:
>
>	1.	being INVOLVED in a crash
>	2.	a flat
>	3.	an equipment failure (that is not the rider's fault).
>
>If you are delayed in a race because you get caught BEHIND a crash, you
>have NOT had a mishap and should NOT get a free lap.  Your rule book has
>a list of definitions before the race rules . . . look at them.  Then
>look up free laps . . .

Jim is not confused about the definitions involved but is questioning 
whether the rule is workable.  I believe some compromise is in order.  
Criteriums are random enough already and to drive 500 miles to one and then
get caught behind a crash is an all too frequent occurance.  People
are abusing the rule, however, to gain postition and rest.  Perhaps one 
all-purpose free lap and multiple mechanical free laps is one solution.
This would allow for mishaps but eliminate excessive abuse.

Paul Sery
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:39:54 -0400 
From: Erik K Lobeck <el1p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Bike stuff for sale

1.)  91 Specialized rockhopper comp frame (22").  Metallic/ tealish
color.  Structurally sound.  Maybe 500 miles.  Paint is, well, honestly,
only OK.  It's an off road bike waddya want, scratch free?  I scraped
off the paint on the right chainstay and aplied automoive primer.  I
guess an ugly bike is better than a rusty bike, huh?  It comes with a DX
headset and specialized directdrive fork, seatpost QR (specialized),
seatpost (shimano), stem (black chro mo, specialized stem, 45 degree
rise (guesstimate) 130mm length), and finally, a specialized black, chro
mo handlebar.  I might be willing to throw in the saddle if you're nice.
 I guess I'll set the price at $200.- obo.  

2.) I have an AMERICAN CLASSIC seatpost up for grabs. Finish is natural
aluminum silver.  Diameter is 27.0 mm and length is 195 mm (total
length..I dunno how to measure seatpost lengths).  It's in fairly good
shape, has a coiupla scratches from the seat tube, thatz it. I'd say it
would be one of the lighter ones available as well.  $30.- obo.

NOTE:  the rockhopper comp frame is the same as the stumpjumper.  The
geometry is really good, weight for the frame is rather good, and the
frame has never let me down.  It would make a good touring frame as
well, but I need the $$$ to buy a road frame.

                                        respond to this account,
                                    or call (412) 268-4299

                                            most honestly,
                                                    ERIK
 
 
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From: goelz@chinook.cis.ohio-state.edu (christopher k goelz)
Subject: Re: Riding Down Stairs
Summary: no problem
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:09:45 GMT

In article <1350@hydra.bucknell.edu> mhaggrty@bucknell.edu (michael haggerty `93) writes:
>
>Howdy!
>
>
>I was wondering what effect riding down stairs on a Mountain Bike can have on the bike.  I ride around on my campus a lot, and in many situations it is just easier to go down a few stairs than to go around a building.  Am I screwing my bike up gradually?  Nothing seems to be greatly effected.  Any comments?
>
>
>Mike (mhaggrty@bucknell.edu)


Riding down stairs will not screw up your bike if you have decent rims, 
tires at least 1.9 inches wide, tires properly inflated, and a reasonably
well built wheel (spokes tight, evenly tensioned).  I have rode down 
hundreds of stairs and hit hundreds of curbs in my treks around campus,
and this has had no effect whatsoever on my bike.

--
Chris Goelz
The Ohio State University, Columbus, Ohio
goelz@cis.ohio-state.edu
From: forbes@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Andrew H. Forbes)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Vetta 20 cyclocomputer
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:11:00 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Apr15.162247.12786@ee.ubc.ca> ileung@ee.ubc.ca (LEUNG ISAAC JING H) writes:
>We have shop up here (Mountain Equipment Co-Op,Vancouver,B.C.), also carries bike stuff, has the
>Vetta C-20 sittin' right there...
>
>By the way, my bro' who bought a C-10 had the batteries conk out in like a month or 2
>dunno if this is a freak occurence or what...

I bought a C-10 last year (end of May) and used it for the summer (I
don't take my bike with me to school).  Anyway, The battery didn't run
out on me.  Actually, the C-10 has an "auto-shut-off" feature which
"turns-off" the computer after non-activity of a certain time-limit
(well, at least it blanks the display).  So far, for the price, I
think its a great deal, but we'll find out at the end of this summer
(A couple of months isn't enough time to really test something, IMHO).






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From: weird@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.t.erhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Thule or Yakima Rack (the real question)
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:53:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <4992@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> jmyers@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM (Jonathan Myers) writes:

Gee, the subject line is Thule vs. Yak Rack.  But, most of the posts are 
Yakima racks are made here, no they're made here.  maybe they make them in
two places.  

I'd like to know which is better, or at least which one I should get.
I hate lying my bike down in the trunk, and I don't trust other cars when
my bike in on a trunk rack.  So, which should I get a Thule or a Yakima
rack?  I would only be using it for one road bike so far, maybe more later.
Also, my car doesn't have rain gutters.  Is one model better for these 
applications?

John Erhardt
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