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From: mrmuon@next08pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Doctor Who Appreciation Society & Dr. Who Fan Club of America
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:53:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.180828.24538@morrow.stanford.edu>  
NG.LAY@forsythe.stanford.edu (Laurie Yadon) writes:
> The issues put out by the new management (a woman named Andrea
> Phillips) *look* OK; the problem is that in over two years she has
> published (according to my records, and I'm supposedly exchanging
> newsletters with them) only *two* issues, labeled "(Indian) Summer
> 1990" and "Summer 1991."  According to the latter issue, however,
> the WHOVIAN TIMES is still a *quarterly* publication!  Some might
> say, "Well, the program hasn't been in production for quite a
> while"; however, *we* know that there has been plenty of other news
> to report, concerning audio and video releases, conventions, etc.
> I don't know what Andrea's excuse is, because I haven't bothered
> to contact her in quite a while.  Frankly, I've given up....

  Gee! I only got the first of those. And I had (optimistically) renewed  
not long before that.
From: eoghanni@castle.ed.ac.uk (Eoghann Irving)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Franks Brain?
Date: 31 Jul 92 11:45:56 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Jul30.165106.28371@news.iastate.edu> trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy) writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.031850.7409@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
>>In article <12377@ecs.soton.ac.uk> lm89@ecs.soton.ac.uk (McIlhoney L) writes:

>>>Seriously though, I truly believe that Frank's arrival has been one
>>>of the more stimulating things to happen to this BB so far.

>>I'll agree with you Lawrence.  Good drama usually occurs when we have a good
>>villain to fight against.  :)

>To quote my favourite fictional character, Arthur Dent:
>"Ah," said Arthur, "Abuse."

	If you insist on posting 'definitive opinions' and refusing to
listen to other possibilities, I'm afraid you'll just have to get used
to getting flamed like everybody else round here.

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From: bcr@cernapo (Bill Riemers)
Subject: Re: PBs in England
Organization: CERN, European Research Center for High Energy Physics
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:37:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.152014.7872@news.iastate.edu> trump@iastate.edu  
(Jennifer M Trumpy) writes:
> Look, you completely dense people...You cannot compare time travel
> to the production of a television show. Face it. Nor can you compare
> it to bumblebees. If you want me to have some Quantum Physicists 
> send you crap loads upon crap loads of info on why going back in time
> is impossible, I will have it for you. Just tell me your post address.

"Wake up! Wake up!"

Sure we can compare time travel to bumblebees...  The Doctor did, and
this is a Dr.Who news group.  By the way anyone remember what episode that
was.  I very clearly remember Tom Baker saying it.

?> "... stuff I don't remember about time travel responce being impossable ..."

"Bumblebees!"

?> "What?"

"Bumblebees!  A Terrian insect proved ..."

Anyways the point is not that some things are unexplainable.  Rather,
sometimes we can't explain things because we try explaining them the
wrong way.  (i.e. We don't always know what we think we know.)

In article <1992Jul22.195037.7582@wam.umd.edu> mrmuon@next08pg2.wam.umd.edu  
(Eli John Hawkins) writes:
>  I am a quantum physicist. I do not rule out the possibility of time  
> travel.

Was that theoretical quantum physicist?  Afterall, we all know theoretical
physicists know nothing about the real world...  Just kidding.  

--
An experimental physicist.
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Two Doctors No-Prizes (*SPOILERS for 2Drs*)
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:34:52 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Jul23.231601.4877@mercury.cair.du.edu> mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN) writes:
>That can be explained OK.  What can't be explained as easily
>is why the Doctors seem so surprised by their next generations;
>since all five should recognize each other now, the fourth
>Doc shouldn't have been so surprised at his, nor should the fifth
>have.  I think it all has to be explained by memory loss
>due to bad regenerations and time.

Or, the fact that the Doctors were all "taken out of time" by special means
for their appearances in Three and Five Doctors.  This could mean that they
weren't really there, in some sense.

>Besides, part of the Two Doctors was innacruate too, as far as I
>can tell.  Jamie never traveled solo with the Doctor--he was always
>with Zoe or Victoria.  I may be missing something there though.

You are, but it was only a throwaway line.  In the first scene in the
TARDIS, they implied that they'd dropped Victoria off somewhere to study
graphology while they were off on this mission for the Time Lords.  Then
again, there's also the problem that (a) the TARDIS at that point wasn't
reliable enough to go back to anyplace where they'd dropped Victoria off,
and (b) Jamie and Victoria never knew about the Time Lords.

Perhaps the best way to resolve that one would be to combine the two
approaches -- the Time Lords took the Doctor and Jamie out of their normal
life-streams for this mission.  Victoria wasn't interested in going along,
so they dropped her off somewhere.  Controlling his TARDIS automatically
throughout the story, they brought the second Doctor to the space station.
After the whole story ended, they took the Doctor and Jamie back, re-united
them with Victoria, removed their remote control device (or did they???  :-)
and dropped them back into their time-stream.  That solves the problems of
them knowing about the Time Lords, the Victoria question, and the "why
didn't he recognize Peri" question all at once.  As far as they in their
normal life-stream remembered it, all of this never happened.

Now, the ultimate No-Prize goes to anyone who can figure out why it was the
SIXTH Doctor at that particular moment in time who was affected by the
attack on the second Doctor... or even why anyone was affected at all,
considering that the Doctor's experience in the agonizer was later revealed
as a fake.
From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: other questions
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:08:29 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

cam@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au (Cameron Newham) writes:


>In article <1992Jul21.210229.10257@mercury.cair.du.edu> mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu writes:

> > [part deleted]
> > Most of his companions at the time are also still about;
> > I heard Katy Manning was doing a play somewhere in London
>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> She has been to Perth several times to perform in plays and I have been told
> (but unable to confirm) that she actually now lives here.

In a recent issue of DWM, they mentioned that Katy Manning was
living is Australia, so it is confirmed.
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From: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Subject: ATTN: Laurie Yadon
Reply-To: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 11:27:28 GMT



Laurie, please contact me via Email when you get a chance.
Thanks,
Bill W.
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From: trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy)
Subject: Re: References of Christianity
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:33:56 GMT

Some chap name Paul said:

> There is a world of difference between the beliefs and actions
> of Christians in the day of Christ and in the beliefs and
> actions of the organization(s) that are guilty of the dark
> ages etc.  The intense persecution of the early Chuch left
> them without leaders.  Eventually Rome 'adopted' Christianity
> and started to dump it's pagan supersticians(sp?) into the
> doctrine that
> Christ taught and in a short period of time, the Roman Empire
> had turned itself from a political organization to an organization
> that *called* itself  a Christian Church.  Please don't
> heap blame on all Christian Churches for the misdeed of
> others in the past, there is no fairness in that.
> 
> Also, just because something can be corrupted by men doesn't
> mean that is was worthless to start with, be open to the
> posibility that original Christianity has validity and that
> it may still be around today.
> 
> Paul


Well, now we end up in a philosphical issue...There is no fairness in not
allowing me to join BSA because I'm an athiest either. I don't think ANY
religion has or HAD any validity because all religions dictate things to
people that I, frankly, would rather descide for myself.

Frank Trumpy
trump@iastate.edu

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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Ambassadors of Death actor
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:04:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.230151.10728@news.iastate.edu> trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy) writes:
>In article <9207261912.AA06913@quark.UMD.EDU> otten@QUARK.UMD.EDU (Neil Ottenstein) writes:
>>I just finished watching the third Doctor story, the Ambassadors of
>>Death.  I was wondering if people could place one of the actors.  He
>>played the character Reegan and his name was William Dysart.  He looked
>>relatively familiar, but I couldn't place where I had seen him.  So,
>>what is he more well known for?
>
>I may be full of complete and total BS, but if we are referring to the
>fellow who ran the unit that the Ambassadors were contained in the
>2nd time (The person who recognized Liz from a photo), he looked, and I think
>he was, the guy who played the clairvoyant in 'Planet of the Spiders'. You
>know, the guy who deduces what's in the package and is killed by the blue
>gem? Unfortunately, my 'Planet' tape was destroyed the other day, so I can't
>check. :(
>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Neil Ottenstein
>>otten@quark.umd.edu
>
>
>Frank Trumpy
>trump@iastate.edu

Yes, you're right, the gentleman's name is Cyril Shaps, and he was in
a couple more stories too, as Viner in "The Tomb of the Cybermen,"
and as the Archimandrite in "The Androids of Tara."

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From: bv925@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert J. Corrigan)
Subject: Season Openers 24-26
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 02:51:38 GMT


The only Doctor Who season I never saw in Ireland was Season 26.
This is because I moved to America in August 1989.

So, I was lucky enough to see the original broadcasts of the
season openers for S24 (Time and the Rani) and S25 (Remembrance
of the Daleks). As far as I can remember, there was a teaser
before the opening title sequence in the first episode of each
season.

TatR: TARDIS crash-lands, Rani enters, Tetraps turns over the
regenerating Doctor.
Rm.otD: Pan-out shot of Earth, Dalek Mothership enters orbit.

Was this carried over in Season 26 with the first scene of
"Battlefield?" I saw that one in Whovie format and the teasers
for the other two were moved to after the titles.
-- 
Ace Quote O' The Week:
	"You're just an aging hippie, Professor."
(Sylvester McCoy was a hippie in the sixties)
	From Doctor Who, "The Greatest Show in the Galaxy."
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Sylv and Sophie
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:23:50 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <9207291347.AA15829@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Liz%Eng%Banyan@HIPPO.BANYAN.COM writes:
>kguinn@zephyr.cair.du.edu (Kip J. Guinn) says:
>>And if, by the gods, a new series is being planned, any notice on whether
>>Sylvester McCoy and Ace (don't know the actress) will be back?  I, for
>>one (and I think I am in the minority) _liked_ Syl and Ace--what a team!

>In the minority?  I hadn't thought about it...I haven't seen much of 
>Sylvester and Sophie (Allred, the actress who plays Ace) - just one
                      (that's Aldred)
>episode of "The Greatest Show in the Galaxy" ("Tickets, please..."), the
>latter half of "Survival", and "The Curse of Fenric" on video tape (about
>five hundred times:-)) - but they have become my favorites.  (Ace is on 

Guess what, folks?  WE'RE NOT THE MINORITY!  Of all the fan clubs I've
been involved in, I've only met THREE (count'em) rabid McCoy haters in
person.  There have been a few people who could take him or leave him,
but most of the people I know actively like him.  And I've only talked to
one person who actually hated Ace, and that was here on the net.

So, the conclusion I can draw is, the McCoy haters aren't in the majority...
they're just loud enough to make us think they are.  The truth of the
matter is that Sylv has consistently placed second - or first - in DWM's
favorite-Doctor surveys.  And while he got low ratings, he got high
audience-appreciation figures.  (Why is it that the bashers are so
willing to consider ratings as gospel when even their favorite episodes
don't show up in the Neilsens at all in America?)

So here's to Sylv and Sophie, and the men who created their stories,
Andrew Cartmel and, yes, JNT.  One day they'll get their due.
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From: mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN)
Subject: Re: Two Doctors No-Prizes (*SPOILERS for 2Drs*)
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 02:28:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.124308.3660@tc.cornell.edu> taylor@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Lee Taylor-MSI Student) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.032234.981@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
>>The First Doctor's use would have no continuity problems, since none
>>of us know what exactly he was doing before "An Unearthly Child."
>
>(NOTE: in order to avoid misspellings of actors/actresses names - I
>don't have my Dr. Who collection of books and tapes with me right now -
>I am omitting these names in what follows.) Well, the pre-"An Unearthly
>Child" Susan would have to appear fairly young.  This is probably why a
>post-"Dalek Invasion of Earth" Susan was used in T5D. Jamie, however
>was pulled off fairly well in T2D. Anyhow, I think that they would have
>had to pull some trick to explain an older Susan (it would've also been
>neat to have gotten Ian and Barbara involved in the story).

For some reason, neither Frazer Heins (?) nor Wendy Padbury
seems to age much (Jamie and Zoe respectively).  They still
look like they did back in the 60's with Troughton.  I always
wondered what happened to whoever played Ian and Barbara (besides
the appearence in "meglos" or whatever it was).  They didn't
bother to explain an older Troughton in T2D, however (his hair
was definitely greyer)

Marc Wasserman
 

-- 
"So you're choosing to run from your own people in a rackety old TARDIS?"
		     D  O  C  T  O  R     W  H  O
				30 Years
"Why not?  After all, that's how it all started!"
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From: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
Subject: Re: PBs in England
Reply-To: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 20:14:01 GMT


In a previous article, trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy) says:

>
>In 1900, I am 20. A build a Time Machine and travel back in time to 1881. I
>kille me as an infant. Now, where the hell did the 1900 me come from? Huh?
>
>Frank Trumpy
>trump@iastate.edu
>
  As soon as you killed yourself as an infant you cease to exist, didn't
you ever read DC comics?
>
  Can we let Frank have the last word and get off this subject?

-- 
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:                             :  some and astonish the rest.               :
:                             :      Samuel  Langhorne Clemens             :   
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Doctors Memery from the 2 Doctors
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:56:50 GMT

In article <w46coB4w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>
>I just though of something.  The 2nd doctor met Peri in perculiar
>circumstances.  She saved his and the 6th Doctor's life in the Two Doctors
>with the help of Jamie.
>However, it leaves one to wonder how Doctors 5 and 6 could not remember Peri
>from that earlier venture.  Could it be that the Doctor was made to forget
>this after the War Games? OR was that dose of Spectrox enough to wipe off some
>of his memory cells?
>
> Opinions? Theories? Anyone?
>
>
OK, my pet theory.
The Second Doctor originally goes through his life span, without going
to Space Station Chimera.
Four regenerations later, thje Time Lords decide they want to warn the
Third Zoners about their experiments, and decide to send the Doctor.
After "Attack of the Cybermen," they decide that the current incarnation
(current to them) is a bit too unstable, and as this is a covert mission
anyway, they decide to send a previous self, thereby changing the 
Doctor's history.  Until this history was changed, the Second Doctor
would have no memory of Peri because the encounter isn't part of his
timeline yet.  When it gets mucked about with, the memory pops in,
and now the Sixth Doctor, and all the others will have a memory of
meeting Peri, but since the Second knew that this meeting was a result
of contravention of the First Law, he either made himself forget or
deliberately ignored the information, or indeed, perhaps the Time
Lords adjusted his memory of the meeting.
From: steven.k.manfred@UWRF.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: testing, testing, testing
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:17:00 GMT

I hope the Master doesn't send my message back to me backwards....
If this works, Iain Robert Asplin will be no more on this group, and
I will be able to use my one and true account as myself, Steven Manfred,
to send to the group.
(Still need Iain to read from it though)

				Steve
From: ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: References of Christianity
Date: 22 Jul 92 07:24:18 GMT


 
>> Christians are also supposed to be against superstition.  It was
>> originally the Christian church that established places of learning
>> through the monasteries and later the universities.  I was originally
>> an atheist, but at the age of 17 I discovered a large body of historical
>> evidence, which overturned my (rather hysterical) rejection of  
> Christianity
>> as a child.  What the Doctor rejected in "The Daemons" was a belief
>> in witchcraft - which the church also rejects (though it does  
> acknowledge
>> it to contain potential danger).
>    The library of Alexandria was a great place of learning before  
> Christianity; then the Christians came along and burned it down. The  
> Christian places of learning were established for teaching Christianity.

According to an encyclopedia I just checked the Library was burned four
times since Julius Caesar. The first time was in 47BC when Julius was
besieged there by followers of Pompey. The next 3 times are described
as "according to legend"; 272AD (by order of the Roman Emperor Lucius
Domitius Aurelian), 391AD (under the Roman Emperor Theodosius I) & lastly,
in 640AD (by Muslims under the Caliph Omar I). I believe that there was
also at least one other fire that predated 47BC. I think that if anyone
looks it up they'll find that the final destruction of the Library came
by Muslim conquest & not christian zealotry.

PHIL
From: Liz%Eng%Banyan@HIPPO.BANYAN.COM
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: thanks
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:47:20 GMT
X-Unparsable-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 69 19:00:00 EST

ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin), who is actually Steve,
says (to Dale):
>	So, if you can work this, how about it?

If he can't, I'll give it a shot.  (I actually post through ucbvax.berkeley.
edu, but I haven't had any trouble with that to date.)

Liz
lizb@banyan.com <-- please ignore the FROM line!!

"I want the SHINY PEOPLE over here, and the HAPPY PEOPLE over there."
- Dennis Leary
From: bob@olwejo.UUCP (Bob Kupiec)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Doctor Who Appreciation Society & Dr. Who Fan Club of America
Date: 24 Jul 92 04:35:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Olwejo - Private UNIX System

In <1992Jul22.195350.7741@wam.umd.edu>, mrmuon@next08pg2.wam.umd.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.180828.24538@morrow.stanford.edu>  
>NG.LAY@forsythe.stanford.edu (Laurie Yadon) writes:
>> published (according to my records, and I'm supposedly exchanging
>> newsletters with them) only *two* issues, labeled "(Indian) Summer
>> 1990" and "Summer 1991."
>
>  Gee! I only got the first of those. And I had (optimistically) renewed  
>not long before that.

Same thing here.  I also never got the Summer 1991 issue after sending in
my $5.00.  That was a mistake I won't make again!

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From: jeffv@physics.ubc.ca (Jeff Vavasour)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: "SHADA" Video
Date: 27 Jul 92 03:47:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: physics.jeffv.712208824
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada

scottg@amiganet.chi.il.us (Scott Gittlitz) writes:
>In article <1992Jul25.142322.19132@news.iastate.edu>, trump@iastate.edu
>(Jennifer M Trumpy) writes:
>>Yes, Addams is a great writer, but he
>>carries his ideas around with him (the Time Machine in Cambridge, and the
>>Chesterfield. The Dead Planet(?_)was *identical* to DGHDI. Oh, well. After
>>I found out about this, I suddenly had a lower view of Addams, as you might
>>expect.
>>
>>Frank
>>trump@iastate.edu
>  I have to disagree with you, I guess you never hear the reasons for him
>carring things over from both "The Pirate Planet" & "Shada".  Because of his
>restriction he was not allowed to make the story he wanted. With DGHDI he had
>all the creative freedom he wanted, and therfore made the story he always
>WANTED to give the public. "SHADA" is his greatest DW work and should be
>praised not critized.

Minor question, what elements of The Dead Planet and/or Pirate Planet were
carried over to Dirk Gently?  As I recall, the plot to Holistic Detective
Agency closely paralleled "City of Death" (under the pseudonym David Agnew
or something like that, which Douglas Adams cowrote with a person that whose
name has slipped my mind, sorry).  

I agree with the last comment on DGHDA though, however, IMHO, Long Dark Tea
Time of Soul failed in comparison.  I'd like to think that it was Doctor Who
that inspired such a good first Dirk Gently novel... :-)  

- Jeff
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