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From: tww2568@venus.tamu.edu (WEEKS, THOMAS WILLIAM)
Subject: Generaliztaion abounds
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:27:00 GMT

Well Nick... I know there is power in deiversity and I realize that I can't lump all hackers/cybers into 
lump all hacks/phreaks/cybes into one group but I was just merely stateing observations that 
observations I've made via groups like this, through M2000 and other various 
sources. 

I guess the onyl real thing that bothers me the almost blasphemous behaviour
of the lot twards modern technological advances in science.  I mean "in 
general", buzz phrases are thrown around the "Electronic Netherworld" like
huge ego nets reeling the ripe pride of knowledge.

I guess it is the attitude twards knowledge and the apparent lack of wisdom
that bothers me.  I am an EET and I have found that the more you learn, the
more you realize how little you really know, and this fact has a humbling
effect on ones overstuffed mind.

It seems to be more 'self expression' via technology than information 
exchange.  But then again, what IS the root(s) of CyberLife?  Accumilation
of ultimate knowledge, or maximum dispersal of self expression? or both?

I heard it said once that "Man lives to have his name known..." roughly
and also that "There is nothing new under the sun..."

Maybe these two old saying encompase the concept of Cyberites...

                            R.B
                           M   a
                                n     h
                                 d   t
                                  wid

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: LCD Galsses
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 00:37:30 GMT

In article <19NOV199212051346@sigma.tamu.edu> tww2568@sigma.tamu.edu (WEEKS, THOMAS WILLIAM) writes:
>How are you using LCD glasses with a non-interlaced display?

Well, in the case of the Atari ST glasses, the right/left images would be 
displayed every other screen refresh. Ordinarily, the ST refreshes its color
display at 60hz. With the glasses you got an effective refresh rate of 30hz, 
even though it was still going 60. The effect was still stunning...


-- 
"Dammit Jim, I'm a free man, not a number!"
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
From: chanson@gagme.chi.il.us (Chris Hanson)
Subject: Re: 3d and Obsolete
Originator: chanson@gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 06:17:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.002422.24765@athena.cs.uga.edu> daniel@athena.cs.uga.edu (Daniel Ashley Good) writes:
>In article <Marcus_Brodeur.03bc@dream.uucp> Marcus_Brodeur@dream.uucp (Marcus Brodeur) writes:
>>worked, but it seems to me that the 3D rendering software would prompt the
>>3D goggles through the electronic interface.  When the current was flowing
>>in one direction, all the crystals would face in the same direction, like
>>an open shutter, and you could see right through the lens.  When the
>>current in the wire reversed, they would all swing in unison in the
>>electric field shut, blocking visibility.  Basically, the 3D software would
[stuff deleted]
>	I wore a pair of these goggles today for use with a molecular
>modeling program called SYBYL.  The goggles are commercially
>available, and need not depend on a specific monitor type.  They have

You can get goggles like this for $35 + shipping from -- GUESS WHO --
SEGA!  Yes, that's how the glasses that came with the old Sega Master
System video game worked (and that was a <8MHz 8-bit 6800 processor!).
Sega still makes them -- check out sci.virtual-worlds for details.
There's interfaces for connecting them to an RS-232 port out there,
software drivers for every imaginable computer (all a driver has to do
is turn a control line on the serial port on or off every frame), and
there's software for a 386 that takes advantage of it (called
REND386).  Check it out, dudes!

TTFN,
Chris
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From: kbeal@amber (Ken Beal)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: 3d and Obsolete
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:37:54 GMT
Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
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Marcus Brodeur (Marcus_Brodeur@dream.uucp) wrote:
: On the subject of what 3D glasses would do for our monocular friend here, I
: wonder.  A few years back, LC Technologies came out with something called
: StereoTek for the old Atari ST.  I had a pair of these suckers, and they
: were very interesting.
[explanation deleted]

	Hmm.  Being the cyclops :-), I'd have to say that sounds like it
would work.  One problem would be that I see peripherally with the left,
and not at all to the front, and the glasses aren't *in* my peripheral
vision...  But as far as the right lens goes, that design beats the red/blue
hands down.

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From: brenckle@scsuc.ctstateu.edu (BRENCKLE,NICHOLAS)
Subject: Cyberpunk Movement
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Southern Connecticut State University - Computer Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:40:00 GMT

Why does it always come down to the stereotype of the hermit with little
pride in one's appearance? I, for one, take great care [well, about as 
much as everyone else I suppose] in how I look. 

Music? What does that have to do with cyberpunk? Especially the tech end?
(This group, no?) 

As for 'buzzwords', they exist in almost every 'culture', for lack of a 
better word. No matter what job you take, or hobby you pick up, you
will learn hundreds of 'buzzwords' and new jargon galore. Why? I'm not
really sure but this is hardly new or central to the cyberpunk movement.

Can't really remember anything else in the argument left to refute. Basically
what I'm saying is that those interested in cyberpunk and the "movement"
are just the same as everyone else. The full spectrum of people are here. 


-Nick
I don't listen to Ministry, don;t play RPG and don't even know anyone arrested
by the FBI! What kind of cyber person am I?


Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
From: watpod72@olaf.carleton.ca (George Bragg)
Subject: Re: Widespread Amiga-VR Implementation.
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:04:32 GMT

In <Marcus_Brodeur.03b0@dream.uucp> Marcus_Brodeur@dream.uucp (Marcus Brodeur) writes:

>Indeed.  For instance, the now 60 Minutes (or was it 20/20) popularized
>"Pteradactyl" VR game that has already appeared in certain select locations
>in California and overseas (notably Japan) has at its core a couple of
>interlinked Amiga 3000's crunching the real-time virtual reality graphics.

>Definitely something to take account of, considering the Amiga's
>well-earned reputation as a fantastic graphics/sound machine.  The newer

For the last time, the VR Dactyl game is NOT using the Amiga graphics
chips.  They have their own, customized chips becasue even the vaunted
Amiga's chips were way too slow at the time the thing was built (a
year ago).  I'm sure the Amiga is very good at graphics, but it
wasn't good enough in this case.-- 
--------
Lines you'll never hear in a movie, number 12:
"Do what you want to the girl, but leave me alone!"

watpod72@alfred.carleton.ca
From: langston@memstvx1.memst.edu (Mark C. Langston)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk Movement
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:05:45 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University

  Well.  I'm not going to get into a long, drawn out argument about this, 
(then again, who knows, but...)

I would not judge all the people orbiting around the 'Cyberpunk' movement,
buzz word, what-have-you, by the wannabes and the infatuated kinds, just as
I would not judge the intellectual atmosphere of a university by a bunch of
drunken freshman frat pledges.

  Not everyone involved in the so-called 'movement' is technically inept, with
the I.Q. of produce.  Some people find the material intellectually stimulating,
if not somewhat far-fetched at times.  Either way, it gives you something to
think about.  Granted, a few people blindly follow what is esposed by their
gods, but I'm sure some take the time to do further research.
  (e.g., actually _build_ a robot, find the research on smart drugs and realize
that they are ineffective, try to write a virtual reality or artificial life
program, etc. etc. etc.)

  One person (or a small, non-representative group of people) do not a culture
make.

p.s. - I listen to techno, house, and industrial while I program artificially
intelligent tutoring systems at work.  I also happen to listen to classical.
I also happen to drive an '83 Pontiac on its last legs.  I also happen to
eat Cheerios for breakfast.  "I wanna be stereotyped! I wanna be classified!"
                                              - Circle Jerks

P.P.S. - I used to have a purple mohawk about 8 years ago.  I grew out of that,
too.




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From: kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: CyberFad
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:08:43 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

In article <By55H0.Dq8@cda.mrs.umn.edu>, carlsoje@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Joel E. Carlson 1625773) writes:
> The Nerds and thier fist-full of zeros and ones will rule the world!
                ^^^^^
along with pocket dictionaries!!!!

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From: merlin@freeside.com (Merlin the Idiot Magi)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: SG & VR
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 12:39:36 CST
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

aburtc@acad2.alaska.edu writes:

  [Yup, stuff was deleted...]
> movements....Some think of it "literally" as a techno revival of the punk
> movement, and that comes about from the dark future, rebel character books

   The revival of the punk sub-culture is a generic backbone for almost 
all cyberpunks, the `independence' motif of the punk culture is a 
mainstay of sorts for the entire 90's generation, and is almost a reason 
 for living for many who call themselves `cyberpunks'.

> writing by people like William Gibson, but the movement reaqlly has mnore to 
> with VR technology and minituarization technology.......I don't believe that
> anyone actually wants the dark future that alot of cyberpuck novels
> depict.....As a matter of fact, the point of cyberpunk is to avoid that type 
> future and learn to use technology responsibly before it runs rampant and out
> of control.......

Again, very true.  I do know a lot of people who say they want it though, 
 for some reason they think that they would be on top of the situation, 
instead of the dysfunctional masses.  I am personally working to get us 
mature enough now so that we may forgo the period of possible suffering 
ahead and get on with existance.  To use a much-hated analogy;  R. 
Talisorina's Cpunk RPG implies that the actions of the Characters are 
part of a `cyberpunk rebellion' against the stagnation the world is 
falling into.  What we are doing is is having the rebellion before things 
get so bad.  In essence, we _are_ shooting Hitler as a child.
> 
>                                             Neuromancer

 /// & //

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
From: aburtc@acad2.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: CyberFad
Organization: University of Alaska
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:41:39 GMT

  Well, I read your other two replies since I remarked on your first post, and
I'm glad to see that your views aren't quite as harsh as they came off in the
first message.....I agree that there are definetly some quacks and jargon
preachers out there, but how many people have you met who talk computers, but
usually could fix a piece of hardware or program a simple checkwriter even if
you paid them? I know I've met a few.....
 
                                               Asspk
From: je@unix.brighton.ac.uk (John English)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: VR newsgroup?
Date: 23 Nov 92 12:17:52 GMT
Organization: University of Brighton, UK

One of my students wants to do a project on VR and has been asking me
awkward questions about Haptic (?).  I tried pointing her at a VR
newsgroup but couldn't find one... this is the nearest I could find.
Could anyone out there in Netland point me at other groups to look
at?
E-mail replies, please -- I don't read this group normally.
I'm at je@unix.brighton.ac.uk, and my student is sh78@vms.brighton.ac.uk.
Any help greatly appreciated.
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: SMCMILLN@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU
Subject: Re: cyberspace society
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:03:29 GMT

In article <92321.094348RHASKINS@UMAB.BITNET>
Robert Haskins <RHASKINS@UMAB.BITNET> writes:
 
>
>The "Captain's" reference to _Tron_ as the first pardigm of a
>Cyberspace society is very apt.  It's the earliest instance of
>it I remember, too.
 
>
>I often wonder how issues surrounding value systems could be
>enhanced/altered/rendered insignificant through a cyberspace
>environment -- some examples:  sexual preference, religious
>intolerance, capitalistic greed, etc.
>
>Bob
I've gotta agree with Bob on this, especially his point about
the negation of value systems applicable in face to face/ voice
to voice interaction when interacting on the Net. I'm new to all
this, and the one thing that has really impressed me is how there
is almost no sense of the identity to other people on the Net beyond
what they put in. Virtual Egalitarianism? Any thoughts?
 
*************************** Scott Mc *******************************
 
    " History repeats itself: the first time it is
      tragedy, the second time farce."
                                 -- Karl Marx
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: modern space opera (was: Diamond-hard SF)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 23:45:32 EST

In article <28448@castle.ed.ac.uk>
gtclark@festival.ed.ac.uk (G T Clark) writes:
 
>
>
>	I've just finished reading "Dying of the Light" by George R R
>Martin,which is definitely an SO.It was actually written in the
>mid-seventies,but apparently he's written some more in the same vein.
>He's also written Fevre Dream,which is a vampire novel,and some shorts,
>including one which won a Hugo.His most famous piece,as far as I can
>tell, is Sandkings,a short story which everyone should have read.Another
>of his shorts,Nightriders,has apparently been filmed,but I don't know if
>the film was any good.
 
   I thought the name of the short story was _Nightflyers_; not Nightriders.
IMHO Nightflyers was a better story than _Sandkings_.  I remember reading
a bunch of George R.R. Martin stories from the '70s a few years ago, and
I remember enjoying them immensely.
   However, the book of his that blew me away was _The Armageddon Rag_
(NOT SF; closer to horror, but not quite).  I'm not exactly a fan of '60s
culture and politics, but they did make better rock and roll back then for
the most part.
 
 
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   "INSANITY IS A VIRTUALLY IMPREGNABLE GAMBIT...
BUT YOU HAVE TO LAY THE GROUNDWORK EARLY IN THE GAME..."
 
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From: bk541@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Lachniet)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Realtime unreality
Date: 16 Nov 1992 02:38:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


	Words and thoughts, carefully communicated are the mainstay
of alt.cyberpunk (nay, all Email/BBS's) but loose the quality of
spontaneity.  Would any of you be interested in meeting REALTIME
on a public access IRC server for discussion ?????  If you have tech
tips on a Timex-Sinclair 1000, like Ginseng for breakfast, or 
generally prescribe to the old school when 300 baud was hip, and
ASCII was good enough, reply.........

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From: wilder@nx03.mik.uky.edu (jeff wilder)
Subject: Re: Neuromancer dream-cast and soundtrack
    <tjk5.33.721954145@po.cwru.edu>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Path: nx03.mik.uky.edu!wilder
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:31:55 GMT

In <tjk5.33.721954145@po.cwru.edu> tjk5@po.cwru.edu (Timothy Kordas) writes:

|I believe that _Le Femme Nikita_ was produced in 1991, or at least that's
|what the flyer I got when I saw it says (pinned above my desk). She doesn't
|really fit my image of Molly very well....I second Jennifer Jason Leigh
|(short haired one :-) ).......

That's odd.  I wouldn't swear to it, but I was very certain that _La_
Femme_Nikita_ was listed in TVGuide as early '80s when I watched it last
Tuesday night.  Typo, maybe?

|Why is everybody suggesting such young actors for Case? Case is not old
|but he is not NEARLY as young as Bobby Newmark (Count Zero)...

Case is 24, but looks older, according to his description and Gibson's
description of the kind of life he led in Ninsei.  I agree with you about
the younger actors, but you wouldn't want to get too old, either.  I'd
say look for a dark haired Anglo actor (sorry, Andy Garcia...), who can  
pull off the wasted, permanent 5 o'clock shadowed look that Gibson de-
scribes.  He should preobably be in his early thirties.

I also think the BIG NAMES (tm) should be avoided for *all* of the char- 
acters.  Most of the BIG NAMES (tm) are action film stars, and would drag
all the expectations of certain cliched characters to the roles with them.
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Sex & Violence (was cyberpunk at the arcades)
From: Macbeth@cardinal.sc107.wesleyan.edu (Macbeth)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:46:02 GMT
Organization: Wesleyan University, Middletown, CT USA

In article <of3accy00iV1A1Tfp7@andrew.cmu.edu> Scott Gregory <wg2b+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Subject: Sex & Violence (was cyberpunk at the arcades)
>From: Scott Gregory <wg2b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
>Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 11:56:08 -0500 


>    Does anyone besides me think that a lot of cultural standards effect
>the fact that on standard non-cable tv:

>    1.  You find lots of violence and little sex in the U.S.
>    2.  You find lots of sex and little violence in Europe.

>    Personally, I'd prefer to live somewhere that encouraged us all to
>get laid than to rip each other's heads off.  Call me crazy...


I totally agree. European TV, even during "child" hours displays no 
censorship towards sexual acts, references, etc... while they do promote 
little violence (although, of course, there are Kung Fu movies at night 
every now and then). However, the difference, as you point out, is VERY 
noticeable. And, I agree, I'd rather live somewhere where people are 
encouraged to have sex than to slash their neighbors. 

						Greetings,

						Macbeth
From: bsherman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian C. Sherman)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Neuromancer: Movie
Date: 23 Nov 92 04:30:55 GMT
Organization: UB

ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (pinkerton floyd) writes:


>The difficult part comes in choosing a net.cast....

I volunteer to play a burned out corporate database query person ('cause
that's what I am right now)....

I guess I could *at_least* garner a walk-on, huh?  Kinda like Christian Slater
in Star Trek?
                           -Brian, who just picked up his copy of Cyberspace:
                            First Steps, by MIT Press, and thinks the pics are
                            cool.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: mpuf6@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Mark Constable)
Subject: NEUROMANCER: cast, sounds, ideas?
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:57:35 GMT

These choices depend very much on how the movie is made.
Are we expecting another 'soap packaged' Lawnmower Man fiasco or a
cutting 'Hardware' masterpiece?

That aside,

Molly?  Brigitte Nielsen.
Case?  Peter Strauss.
Armytage?  James Earl Jones.

Muz?  Sisters of Mercy/Ozric Tentacles/Nick Cave.

Talk to me O my brother jocks.

Mark J Constable
MPUF6@SYMA.SUSSEX.AC.UK
or
MPUF6@CENTRAL.SUSSEX.AC.UK
From: aoo@po.CWRU.Edu (Akinwale O. Olugbile)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: 2600 a quarterly magazine...
Date: 24 Nov 1992 03:17:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aoo@po.CWRU.Edu (Akinwale O. Olugbile)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


I was asked by an FOAF to find out where or how to get a magazine called
2600 quarterly and information on any underground bbs sys's in the
Dayton-Cincinati area. If anyone has any info reply to aoo@po.cwru.edu.
thanks...!!

ciao
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