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From: zarr@vipunen.hut.fi (Mari (Black Panther) Sepp{)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Europe-USA-Europe
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:08:15 GMT
Reply-To: zarr@vipunen.hut.fi (Mari (Black Panther) Sepp{)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology

In article <9204081747.AA00222@iecc.cambridge.ma.us> johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine) writes:
>>plappala@klaava.Helsinki.FI writes:
>>>I'm not positive, but I've heard that could by your Europe-USA-Europe
>>>ticket from the USA, for example New York and by doing that you would
>>>get the ticket with the cheap american price.
>
>>  Is that true? Does anyone have any experience with that?
>
>No, actually it's not true.  The fare you pay depends on the route you
>take, not where you buy the ticket.  There may be some minor differences
>in price because the exchange rates that the travel agents use for ticket
>pricing are never quite the same as the ones your credit card company
>uses, but nothing major.

I have had different experiences.  My parents live in US and I visit them
once in awhile.  I will always get a ticket from US because it is much cheaper.
The airline, flight, date etc might be that same, but the price isn't.  It
really has saved me a lot of money to buy the tickets (RT) from US.

>What is true is that transatlantic round trips starting in the U.S. are
>almost always a lot cheaper than those starting in Europe, but since you
>can't throw away the first half of a round trip (the rest of the segments
>are cancelled) and you can't sell or give away international tickets (they
>usually check your passport as you get on the plane) it's impractical to
>take advantage of that to flip around an international round trip.

I have been able to by tickets from US that are RT Helsinki-(some european city
-maybe one US city)-Atlanta-(same route back)-Helsinki.  The deals have been
less expensive than if I ask for the same airlines and same route here in
Finland.  I always ask for the lowest deal to the destination and back from
a travel agent here in Finland.  If the prices are the same or almost the 
same, I will buy the ticket from here.  So far all the prices have been
really too high compared to the prices in US.  I save hundreds of dollars
by purchasing my tickets from US.  

I use either US-airlines or Lufthansa or any airline that has the best deal
for the dates I travel.  It really doens't matter as long as the price is 
low :-)
>
>Regards,
>John Levine, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {spdcc|ima|world}!iecc!johnl

Mari
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From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Language in Quebec
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:42:19 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: baker@rtsg.mot.com's message of 2 Apr 92 18:59:55 GMT


In article <1992Apr2.185955.28736@rtsg.mot.com> baker@rtsg.mot.com (Pam Baker) writes:

   In article <22569.29d06cf6@amherst.edu> jcfargo@amherst.edu writes:
   >I just figured that, since Quebec and language problems have been coming up so
   >much on the net, I would just throw in some experiences I had a couple of years
   >ago:
   >
   >I'm an American, and I speak English, and I ASSUMED that since Canada is a
   >bilingual country, Canadians would be able to speak English to me as well. 

    Wrong assumption--if you're in Quebec, they'll expected you to speak French.
   When I visited Toronto, I heard few people speaking French.  

What he said.  I have found that French is the expected language in
Quebec, English in Toronto.  In Ottawa, interestingly, I ran into a lot
more French-speakers than I did in Toronto.  At first I thought it was
because Ottawa's the capitol, but then I kept running into French-only
speakers who were obviously locals, so I have no idea why this is.

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From: throoph@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Henry Throop)
Subject: Amtrak ticket forsale
Organization: CS Dept. Oregon State University, Corvallis, Oregon.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:31:22 GMT

I have a one-way Amtrak ticket forsale.  It's made out for Ottumwa, IA ->
Portland, O on May 18, but both the start/end coordinates and the date
can be changed.  This ticket will work for basically anywhere between 
Chicago and Seattle, anytime up to June 16.  $75/obo.

Henry
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Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: weather in england
From: stevens1@evax2.engr.arizona.edu
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:39:27 MST
Reply-To: stevens1@evax2.engr.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona, College of Engineering and Mines, Tucson

I will be in England from May 18, traveling from Liverpool to 
London, and in the southeast.  I'd like to know what the weather
will be like, and have checked several sources, none of which
seem to agree.  One said it would be about 50 degrees Fahrenheit,
another said 70 degrees!  If anyone has firsthand knowledge, please
let me know.

Thanks!
From: meryem@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Meryem Primmer)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 08:04:13 GMT
Subject: Re: Info. on Atlanta, GA. needed
Organization: East of the Sun & West of the Moon
Newsgroups: rec.travel


More things to do in Atlanta (that I haven't seen mentioned):

Tour the Southern mansions in the West Paces Ferry area.  Arm yourself with
a map and drive through all the curvy streets bounded by Peachtree Battle
Avenue on the south, Northside Drive on the west, Peachtree Road on the 
east and Powers Ferry Road/Mount Paran Road on the north.  West Paces Ferry 
Road runs east/west through the middle of this section.  The most expensive 
exclusive real estate in Atlanta in located in this area including the 
Govenor's mansion on West Paces Ferry and the Swan House, which is now the 
Atlanta Historical Society, on Andrews Drive.  Stop in for the tour if you 
have the time.  Some of my favorite mansions are on Blackland Road, King Road,
Tuxedo Road and Valley Road.

If you like the college atmoshpere, visit Emory University and have a pizza
at either Everybody's or Jaggers.

Fernbank Planetarium and Science Center off Ponce de Leon and Scott Blvd.

Sci Trek - a new hand's on science museum on Pidemont at Pine Street.  I 
haven't seen this one, but it looks and sounds intriguing.

Martin Luther King Memorial

Jimmy Carter Library

Georgia State Capitol and Archives

CNN - Tours are available

Stone Mountain - a memorial to the Conferate leaders of the Civil War, carved
                 into the granite face of Stone Mountain.

Callenwolde Fine Arts Center, housed in an mansion on Briarcliff Road a few
blocks north of Ponce de Leon, but only if there's a show going on.

For shopping, try Lenox Square (Peachtree Road at Lenox Road), Cumberland 
Mall (Highway 41 at I-285) or Perimeter Mall (Ashford Dunwoody Road at I-285).
Phipps Plaza is undergoing major renovation/expansion, so skip it.

Other places to eat I haven't already mentioned.

Capo's cafe on North Highland Avenue, in a funky, arty, ex-hippie part of town.

Houston's - There are several of them.  One is on Lenox Road across from
Lenox Square and another is on Northside Drive just north of West Paces
Ferry.  The food is rather basic - burgers, fries, salads, chicken, and
not exceptional, but they are immensely popular. Be prepared for a long
wait.  We waited 1 hour 40 minutes on a Saturday night and a party of 6
was told they'd have to wait 2.5 hours for a table!

For pricier food, there's also Pano and Paul's on West Paces Ferry at
Northside Drive and The Fishmarket in Lenox Square.  But if you've got
limited time, these aren't as good as the restaurants I mentioned in my
earlier post.

Regards,
Meryem Primmer

P.S.  For 10 bonus points: How many streets in Atlanta have the word
                            "Peachtree" in their name?
      For 25 bonus points: Name them all.
From: "reg lafontaine" <reg.lafontaine@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: languages (was re: at
Date: 9 Apr 92 07:14:21 EST
Reply-To: "reg lafontaine" <reg.lafontaine@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems


SH>I don't claim to be fluent in a language unless I can speak it, read it,
SH>write it, sing songs in it, make puns in it, and compose classical-style
SH>poetry in it, all without being taken for other than a native speaker.
SH>Under this rather narrow definition, I'm fluent in four languages (English,
SH>Spanish, Chinese, and [ugh] Esperanto); by some others' definitions, I'm
SH>fluent in as many as fifteen or twenty.

Sheesh, that makes me feel kinda tongue tied.  By the above definition
I'm definitely a mute.   ;-)

     Reg Lafontaine
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From: bvaughan@lotka.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Honolulu, Hawaii --- Are there any cheap places to stay?
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:43:55 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

Honolulu has a wide variety of price ranges, unlike other parts of the
island. There are even cheap places in Waikiki.  They may not be elegant and
they aren't on the beach.  However, every hotel on the beach is required to
provide beach access to the public; and at either end of Waikiki beach you
will find a beautifully maintained public beach park.

I recommend _Hidden Hawaii_ and the _Insider's Guide to Hawaii_ as guide
books.  (One of these, I don't remember which) has an extensive list of
accomodations in all price ranges.
From: lawder@ohsu3b2.ohsu.EDU (Kathryn Lawder)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Request advice for California coast trip
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:11:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohsu.1992Apr9.221159.11685
Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University

In article <32443@darkstar.ucsc.edu> haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes) writes:
>
>Send some kind of mail address that will work and I'll send
>you the file I just typed in and the mailer bounced.
>-- 
>haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
>haynes@cats.bitnet

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From: pho@dde.dk (Peter Holm)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: One week in Paris
Date: 11 Apr 92 14:49:38 GMT
Distribution: eunet
Organization: Dansk Data Elektronik A/S

I'll be spending next week (19 Apr - 26 Apr) in Paris, and  would like
to share some of "your Paris". I've been in Paris a few times before, so
what I'm interested in is : Your favorite side walk cafe / bistro /
restaurant (Italian) / live rock performances. Places to see, that you
consider to be essential part of Paris.
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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: chesky@squirrel.austin.ibm.com (Bill Chesky)
Subject: Travel in Mexico
Organization: IBM, Austin
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 17:59:33 GMT

Posting for a friend.  Please respond to the address given below since
this person does not have net access.

---------------------------------------------------------------

Re: Mexican Gulf Coast - anybody know of any good towns?

Greetings:

I am interested in taken a 5 or 6 day road trip around Easter
down the Mexican Gulf coastline.   I am willing to drive about
8 hours in Mexico to reach my destination (one way).   

My question is, if I cross at Laredo or Brownsville, is there
any Mexican Gulf town worth visiting w/ in ~7 hours of driving?

I was thinking of driving to Tampico, but most of the books say
its a dive - which is ok w/ me as long as I can do some fishing
and the town has a few redeeming values, like a decent beach or
some interesting scenery, etc.  I have driven from Laredo to
Matzalan, Puerta Vallarta and thru the baja before - and I wanted
to try the other side.

If you have any recommendations for a neat area in Mexico, that's
not on the beach, and is still a 5-7 hour drive from Laredo, please
inform.  If not this trip, then maybe one in the future.

Though I think it is too far for this trip - if anyone has visited
Veracruz I would be interested in hearing your comments.

Whatever, I am just probing for ideas, suggestions and comments.
If you have any please write to my address below - a freind has
posted for me.


Garret Grajek    512-343-0376 x135
garretgr@itx.isc.com
From: michael.r.sherer.1@nd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Places to stay in San Jose, CA?
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:28:49 GMT
Distribution: US
Organization: University of Notre Dame

I'll be in San Jose from May 10 thru 17 attending the Apple Worldwide  
Developer's Conference.  I'm looking for a decent, cheap hotel, close to either  
the convention center or the light rail line.  I'd take the Holiday Inn across  
from the Convention Center but it's already booked.  Any tips?  Email me any  
responses,
Thanks,
Michael Sherer
University of Notre Dame
sherer.1@nd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: cs4gp6ag@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Chan        KS)
Subject: Nat. Parks in States
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:42:24 GMT


Hi guys,

	I would to spend some time in the Nat. Parks in Utah, Colorado,
and Arizona area this summer.  Since I don't have much money, I would
like to know something which is inexpensive, such as cheap accomdation, 
summer temp. university residence, ...

	My plan is starting from New York City, go to Colorado by Grey
Hound or Amtrek, then ....  I need some one to help me to fill this 
out! Please!  Which city should be my first stop? Which is second?
My destination will be San Fransico or Los Angelas.

	Any comment.  Thanks in advance.

						Alan

P.S.   Definitely, I'll go Grand Canyon and Yellow Stone.   Where else
       should I go!?

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine)
Subject: Re: Europe-USA-Europe
Organization: I.E.C.C.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:47:23 GMT

>plappala@klaava.Helsinki.FI writes:
>>I'm not positive, but I've heard that could by your Europe-USA-Europe
>>ticket from the USA, for example New York and by doing that you would
>>get the ticket with the cheap american price.

>  Is that true? Does anyone have any experience with that?

No, actually it's not true.  The fare you pay depends on the route you
take, not where you buy the ticket.  There may be some minor differences
in price because the exchange rates that the travel agents use for ticket
pricing are never quite the same as the ones your credit card company
uses, but nothing major.

What is true is that transatlantic round trips starting in the U.S. are
almost always a lot cheaper than those starting in Europe, but since you
can't throw away the first half of a round trip (the rest of the segments
are cancelled) and you can't sell or give away international tickets (they
usually check your passport as you get on the plane) it's impractical to
take advantage of that to flip around an international round trip.
Bummer.

Your best bet for a cheap ticket from Europe is either a bucket shop,
which sells tickets considerably below list price, or else a charter.  On
scheduled airlines, I note that TWA has been cutting their prices a lot
lately, as long as they last they probably have the cheapest regular fare. 

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {spdcc|ima|world}!iecc!johnl
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: eac@world.std.com (Eric A Cottrell)
Subject: Re: Scotland question
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:54:09 GMT

In <2936@cvbnetPrime.COM> dhouliha@hooha.prime.com (Dan Houlihan x4431 5-2) writes:

>I'm travelling to Scotland this summer and and I'm trying to
>find the villages of Pennan, Arisaig, and Moglar on the
As a followup to my last message:

I got a email message from michael at mhx@dcs.edingburgh.ac.uk:
>I was told that it is called Morar and they mean the beaches there, called
>"Silver Sands of Morar". You get there by train from Fort William, one
>station before the ferry port to Skye.
 
There is a village of Morar that is one station before Mallaig (The ferry
port to Skye). The train goes near a small inlet near there. It was THERE
that the tour conductor on the steam train said part of the movie was filmed.
East of there is Loch Morar. Arisaig is just south of there (one train stop
south of Morar). There is also a road 8-> that passes through the area to
Mallaig, but I would suggest you take the steam train. There are several
on certain days of the week during the summer. They go from Fort William to
Mallaig through some very beautiful countryside and over the
Glenfinnan Viaduct.
 
If your local PBS or other TV station is showing "Steam Days" (it also seems
to go by some other titles), there is a episiode called "The Fishing Line"
that tells of the West Highland Line, the rail line to Mallaig.
 
Looking forward to tour Scotland more this July/August.
 
73 eac@world.std.com

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From: llew@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lew Yan Voon)
Subject: info on Coney Is.
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:19:09 GMT

ok, can someone tell me something about Coney Is.? i've often heard
about it, but i always thought it's some resort island. i understand
now that it is (was?) an amusement park at the tip of Long Is.?
I'll be in midtown Manhattan for Easter weekend, and was wondering
whether it's worthwhile to visit, how to get there,...
here's my plan for a 3-day visit. comments appreciated.
frid: bus tour of everything.
sat:  chinatown (dim sum), financial district, italian,
      greenwich village (at night, dinner,...)
sun:  liberty, ellis is. (what else?)
mon:  3 hr of shopping, leave.

btw, any recommendations for dinner in greenwich village? (nothing
fancy, preferably ethnic).

lok
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
Subject: Re: Insight Guides (was Re: edinburgh in may)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:05:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.104436.12611@spider.co.uk> ian@spider.co.uk (Ian Heavens) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.132005.22121@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>>
>>The Insight Guide to Edinburgh is probably a lot better than Frommer's
>>
>
>I'm very impressed with the Insight Guides.  They combine excellent
>photography with an introduction to the culture lacking in the usually
>superficial approach of travel guides.  
>
>Has anyone read others or has comments or criticisms of them?

The only problem I have with Insight Guides is that they seem much too
nice to be carrying around, getting messed up, etc.  They seem like they'd
be much more useful for pre-trip preparation, and for evoking memories
after the trip.

>
>Travel guides: burn your Frommers, Let's Go and Baedekers, and replace
>them with the Insight Guide, the Rough Guides and Lonely Planet :-):-).
>

The Rough Guides (called the Real Guides in the US) are very good.  Lonely
Planet is excellent.  Baedeker's isn't so bad for sightseeing, although it's 
useless for finding restaurants and hotels.  Baedeker's Switzerland is probably
the best English-language guidebook to the country.

One series you haven't recommended that I would like to recommend is the
Hachette series.  There are guides to France, Italy, Great Britain, Paris,
and London.  I've used the France guidebook and think it's the best general
guidebook to the country.

Wayne
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From: dcovell@intelhf.hf.intel.com (David Covell)
Subject: Re: Hawaii (again? :^(
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro  OR
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 16:12:59 GMT

pas@cc.gatech.edu (Paulo Santos) writes:

>In article <1992Apr16.180909.26666@intelhf.hf.intel.com>, dcovell@pcocd2.intel.com (David Covell) writes:
>|> The wife and I have never been to Hawaii and would like to take advantage
>|> of her Air Force status ($10 flights to Hickam!) sometime this year.

>I can see that Quayle is not the only one receiving perks from the USAF.

>It's April 16, and we are already watching our tax dollars at work!

>------------------------------------------------------------------------
Since there's no smiley here I'm not sure if this is a flame or a jest, and
far be it from me to defend the military, but...
As the possible beneficiary of this "perk" I should point out that it doesn't
cost the taxpayers much, if anything. The $10 flight is on a large military
transport which is already scheduled for the flight. When there are available
seats (hopefully not in the cargo compatment  ;^)  we can fly for $10. I don't
think our weight, in comparison to that of one of these big transports, uses
any substantial extra amount of fuel and costs you anything. If you're
really concerned about excess spending/waste by the military, you have better
This isn't quite as cushy as it sounds; there are no confirmed reservations
and we must be prepared to wait several days for an available seat, or be
willing to buy full-fare commercial airline tickets to get back home on
time. I doubt Quayle flies on transports or has to wait in line...
On the up side, we can fly for $10 to anywhere there's an AF base. Europe,
next year ;^)
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From: cs4gp6ag@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Chan        KS)
Subject: Nat. PArks in States
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:59:09 GMT


Hi guys,

	I would to spend some time in the Nat. Parks in Utah, Colorado,
and Arizona area this summer.  Since I don't have much money, I would
like to know something which is inexpensive, such as cheap accomdation, 
summer temp. university residence, ...

	My plan is starting from New York City, go to Colorado by Grey
Hound or Amtrek, then ....  I need some one to help me to fill this 
out! Please!  Which city should be my first stop? Which is second?
My destination will be San Fransico or Los Angelas.

	Any comment.  Thanks in advance.

						Alan

P.S.   Definitely, I'll go Grand Canyon and Yellow Stone.   Where else
       should I go!?
From: kika.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Chicago through Dakota's
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:14:44 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

My husband and I will be going to Chicago from May 8-10 and would
like to go from there preferable by train to the North West with
our ending destination as Fargo North Dakota.  Does anyone have
any information on sites, hotels, interesting things to see,
restaurants through that area?

We would also be very interested in spending 2-3 days on a ranch
type of environment (resort) with horse back riding and fishing
as some entertainment options.  Any suggestions?  We prefer out
of the way places.  B&B accomodations as opposed to "Holiday Inn's"
or ritzy hotels.  Also, we love going to historical sites and
would like some interesting places to learn more about the strong
indian presence and culture.   Ghost towns, national parks...

Thanks in advance for your help!!!

Oh, one more thing.  While my husband is working in Chicago, I'll
be on my own - any places to stay away from?  We'll be in downton
Chicago for a dive trade show.

Thanks again..