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From: melanie@cayman.amd.com (Melanie Typaldos)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: LOOKING FOR HERPETOLOGY MAILING LIST
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:31:08 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc., Austin, Texas


I am posting this for a person without access to this
newsgroup.  Please send all replies to roihar@crl.aecl.ca.
Do not use your news reader's "reply" function. 

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I am looking for a mailing list that discusses all aspects of
Herpetology including keeping snakes in captivity, natural
geological ranges of various species, radiotelemetry in the
field, etc. If anyone knows of such a mailing list could
you please email Martin Thompson at the following email
(Internet) address:    roihar@crl.aecl.ca

If you do not know of such a mailing list but would be interested
in one if I started one up, please email to the same address. I
don't have access to rec.*.* news feeds so I must go the mailing
list route <sigh>.

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Melanie (Melanie Typaldos)        melanie@cayman.amd.com  
AMD 29K Systems Engineering
From: guppy@wixer.cactus.org (Jennifer Mery)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Sex of red eared turtle?
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:47:47 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Real/Time Communications

I have a little book about turtles with pictures, and it says that the
male red eared slider can be identified by its long claws (which
shouldn't be clipped, they're normal). I have assumed since my turtle
has regular claws, that she's a she.

jam
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From: 71162.3470@CompuServe.COM ("Peter P. Donohue")
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: directory of herp addresses to be published
Date: 16 Sep 92 03:15:26 GMT


   There is an ad in this month's (Sept/Oct) issue of Reptile and
Amphibian announcing a directory of herpetology related addresses (to
be published January 1, 1993).  The ad was available for interested
parties to be published in the directory.  They have free listings for
breeders, herp societies, veterinarians, importer/wholesalers,
manufacturers/herp-related service, artists/photographers,
exhibits/lectures, pet shops, food items, and suppliers/distributers.
If you are interested in being listed, send category(s), name, address,
phone, etc. to Reptile & Amphibian Magazine, RD3 Box 3709A, Pottsville,
PA 17901, phone: (717)622-6050, fax: (717)622-5858.
   Larger ads are available.

                                     Pete

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Peter P. Donohue         email: 71162.3470@compuserve.com
PO Box 281571, San Francisco, CA 94128-1571 (415)873-6433
   I'm looking for a marketing position on the west coast (anywhere
from Denver west, except in LA).  Background: an BS in Marketing and
Computer Science, an MBA in International Management, and about 2 years
of experience.  If you know of a position or could give me a lead on
who to contact, please let me know.  Thanks.
From: lml@execu.execu.com (Linda Lovin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Need Box Turtle info
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:01:47 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Austin Dev. Center, Comshare Inc.

I hate to post this request since it looks like someone just asked about
box turtles but I didn't see any replies posted so excuse any
repetition.
The following is posted for a friend.

I recently acquired a box turtle (found it in our yard). My daughter
wants to keep it but I'm not sure about proper care for it. A look at
books in the library and some calls to pet stores all yield conflicting
advice. If there are any turtle fans out there who have experience,
please share any wisdom you might have on these questions:

1) I've got it in a 40" aquarium tank with bark mulch and a water bowl
s/he/it can drink from and bathe in. Is this a decent environment? Am I
lacking anything? I take it out in the fresh air and sunshine for at
least 30 minutes at a time, several times a week.

2) Is this turtle (I believe it is a plain Eastern Box Turtle, not
Ornate) a vegetarian or does it also eat meat? I've had mixed replies on
that from local sources. I've been feeding it leaf lettuce, corn, peas,
beans, carrots, sweet potatoes and fruit. 

3) It spends a lot of time either buried in the bark mulch or pacing the
perimeter of its tank. Does this mean it's unhappy or is this normal?

4) How can I tell if it's eating/drinking enough? I never see it drink
and it eats very little - on the other hand this beastie weighs less
than a pound and measures about 4.5" in length, so I'm not expecting it
to gobble up capfuls of food.

5) Is it harmful to remove the turtle from the terrarium and let it roam
around in the house (supervised, of course)? One book said moving it
from the terrarium to the floor and back would shorten its life span -
true or false?

6) Will it hurt the turtle to be handled frequently? My child doesn't
give it much peace, although she is gentle with it. It gets taken out of
the terrarium 2 or 3 times a day.

7) When will the turtle be ready to hibernate (southwestern US climate;
pretty moderate - it stays warm into October) and what should I do about
that - let it go outdoors? Build a hibernation terrarium, etc.

8) Do box turtles carry diseases that people can catch, or vice versa.

In summary, we enjoy this little guy a lot but want to do the right
thing. If they don't do well in captivity we will let it go. If it's
possible to keep it as a pet, without a huge amount of special care and
without doing it harm, we'd like to try. Thanks for any advice.
From: jgl@roadhawg.corp.sun.com (Joe Lurker STE)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Raising mice
Date: 8 Sep 1992 23:56:46 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jgl@roadhawg.corp.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: roadhawg.corp.sun.com

I would check out raising mice, I have found it to 
be very cost effective.   My two adult monitors eat
a dozen or more a week and at pet store prices I
was going broke.   Mice breed well (ie. FAST) if
you invest in a little equipment to care for them.
I just put a shelf on the wall in my vivarium and
bought a couple of cheap cages with water bottles.
One female per cage and a place for the male to
*rest* when he is not working.   I recently acquired
a large cage for feeding stock ( as opposed to 
breeding stock) and my wife calls it "death row".

joe


Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: tbh1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Tracy B. Henley)
Subject: Two-headed snakes
Summary: Two-headed snakes certainly do exist!
Keywords: snakes, mutation, two-headed,
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:56:07 GMT

 I just read a post asking about mutations and two headed snakes. Well, 2-headed
snakes certainly do exist (more commonly than most any other 2-headed animal), 
but are not mutations- they are developmental anomalies, sorta like incomplete
siamese twins.  They won't breed true, if that's what you're in. 
	Yes, the Steinhardt has had a 2-headed snake for as long as I can rem-
ember (I grew up there).  They've had a 2-h scarlet king and bull snake, if
memory serves me well. Is it a rat snake now?  They seem to have no trouble 
keeping at least one around.  Also, I was a graduate student at Knoxville, TN,
the home of IM, the 16-year old 2-headed black rat snake that fights itself for
mice.  A well-studied individual, and fascinating fellow(s).  Really more like
2 snakes with one body.  I've also heard that someone in LA has a 2-headed
bull snake, but one head won't eat.  By the way, IM made it onto Jeopardy a 
couple years ago, and does the newspaper rounds every 5 years or so when some
body re-discovers him. 
	Anyway, they survive better than most other animals would with two
heads, but are still pretty rare, and probably don't live long in the wild.
The Knoxville lab has bred thousands of garter snakes over the year, with only
one 2-headed that didn't live.  IM was wild caught near Oak Ridge,TN, and was
a very skinny baby at the time.  Since the heads fight for control of the body,
he is very uncoordinated and BAD at catching live mice. I don't have actual 
statistics on frequency, but maybe that will help give the general picture.

.
:w
:p
(pardon me, I'm new and still figuring out how to post this thing...)
From: quest@iowegia.uucp (Steve J. Quest)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Anyone keep a Nile monitor?
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 23:07:27 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Public Access Usenet/UUCP, Clive IA USA.

stevep@wrq.com (Steve Poole) writes:
> Do these guys adapt to handling well?  He was pretty aggressive
> when I examined him at the store.
> 


Steve,

        Nile monitors are excessively agressive.  I personally 
don't believe that they would make good pets- but I have friends 
that LIKE them because of their agression.  It is up to you, but 
if you want a lizard that will handle well, try a Savanna Monitor.
I have one named George and he is quite a nice pet.  He only gets 
moody when he spends several days in his cage without being 
handled.  Daily handling causes him to stay friendly..........sq

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From: pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander)
Subject: Re: Burmese Pythons and Iguanas?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 02:18:05 GMT

In article <16909@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> nathan@charles.ucdavis.edu (Nathan Rollins) writes:
>
>  I was wondering... could a small burmese python and a medium size
>iguana share a large terrarium? Or will the iguana mysteriously vanish?
>They don't need to share; I've got plenty of cages- but I think they
>would look neat together. Any suggestions?

Boa constrictors *will* eat iguanas.  I don't know if a Burmese would.
But I wouldn't cage them together.

Paul Hollander    pholland@iastate.edu
Behold the tortoise: he makes no progress unless he sticks his neck out.






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From: datri@egsner.cirr.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: New corn snake....
Organization: Central Iowa (Model) Railroad, Dallas, Tx.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:43:16 GMT


Mine fed once about 10 minutes before shedding.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Anyone keep a Nile monitor?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:59:40 GMT

In <1992Sep9.012617.22516@u.washington.edu> stevep@wrq.com (Steve Poole) writes:

>I was cruising the pet stores the other day and ran across an
>absolutely gorgeous young Nile monitor.

Of course he's gorgeous! (Me? Biased?)

>I was sorely tempted, but didn't nab him for the Suggested Retail
>Price of $90, telling the Pet Dude that I might be back soon after
>doing a little research.

That sounds a bit steep to me; I believe that my Nile monitor was bought
for $50 when he was a few months old at the Chicago Herp Swap meet. I
got him from Seedman this summer, when he was about one year old.

>So, until I can find a good varanid book (is De Vosjoli's worth
>having?) Yes.

>I understand that 5-6 foot adult length is typical.  Niles are
>pretty slender -- how much does a healthy adult weigh?  How quickly
>will he grow, and at what point is it necessary for me to begin
>feeding pinkies?  He's been eating crickets.  How long can I get
>away with keeping him in a suitably configured 29 gallon long tank?
>Do these guys adapt to handling well?  He was pretty aggressive
>when I examined him at the store.

For length, I've more often heard 6 to 7ft. Weight, I have no idea.
De Vosjoli's book probably has something on it (I don't have my own
copy.)  Remo was still eating pinky mice when I got him in May; he's
now up to four fuzzies a week.  He's around 16 inches, one end of
which is tail and the other end all teeth.  Right now I keep him in a
20-gallon; I'm about to move him up to a 30-gallon.

Niles are very aggressive and Remo (so far) has been difficult to tame.
He has learned not to bite *me*, but will happily whip me with his tail
and crap all over me (which he did in front of the local herp club last
night.)  So, be prepared to wear gloves, buy stock in Band-Aids, and do
laundry often.

For all that, I still find him beautiful and fascinating; for that matter,
I seem to be most attracted to the deadlier herps...what this says about
my mental stability... 8->

April, plus a nile, a poison arrow frog, and an ig with a 'tude.
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From: phelps1230@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Wanted:Iguana info
Date: 5 Sep 92 11:40:29 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I plan to get an iguana...Is $29 a good price? What basic requirements do they
have? Any help for a first timer would help!
Thanks,
Brooke
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: debra@solbourne.com (Debra Frances)
Subject: Re: Small update on some large snakes
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:50:11 GMT

My three pairs of yellow anacondas continue to eat and grow.  The three females
are still puppy-dogs; the males continue to be a bit snippy.  I'm always looking
for tame ones, if anyone knows of some available.....
                                               DEBRA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: bader@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (Joel Bader)
Subject: cage cleaning: bleach vs hydrogen peroxide
Organization: Center for Biomolecular Simulation, Department of Chemistry,
	Columbia University
Distribution: rec.pets.herp
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 15:36:13 GMT

For cleaning my boa's cage, would bleach or hydrogen peroxide be
better, or is it a wash (ha ha) ?
The cage is pine sealed with polyurethane and has plexiglass windows.
Is there a difference for glass aquariums?
E-mail responses to bader@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu are fine.
Thanks!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: rogue@athena.mit.edu (Claude I Denton)
Subject: For Sale
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:05:37 GMT

As this is my last year of school and I suspect I'll be moving around a lot 
after graduation, I've decided to part with my lizards.  I have for sale:

1 gold tegu
1 savannah monitor

both feeding and (as far as I can tell) healthy. They are both around 2'.  The
monitor is fairly docile, though huffy, the tegu threatens aggression but has
never actually bitten.  I handle both with gloves.

I also have a large cage (3'h x 5'l x 3'd) which I would like to sell with 
it is separated vertically into to 1.5'h 15 square foot cages eith built-in
fluorescent lighting and heating pads between levels.  

The cage is quite heavy but dissassembles easily.  It is mostly wood, with
plexiglass sliding doors in front.  The top is 3/4" plywood and the whole thing
makes a good sturdy desk as well as a cage.   

Package price $300 
reptiles alone: $100 apiece

These prices do not include shipping (if necessary).  Be aware that the cage,
if you're interested in it and need it shipped, is quite heavy.  

If these prices are unreasonable, write me and let me know - I'm just basing 
them on what I paid and how much the lizards have grown since then.  They
are negotiable, since I'd really like to sell these lizards to a truly 
interested herper rather than try to act through a pet store.

Reply via e-mail to:

rogue@athena.mit.edu 

or call: 

(617) 621-0229  (cambridge, MA)

thank you,
claude denton
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From: jgreg@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (James Greg Couillard,G7 Clark,56286,)
Subject: Re: Two-headed snakes
Originator: jgreg@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:48:01 GMT

I know of one reference which discusses two-headed snakes in some detail.  
It's _Axial bifurcation in serpents_  by Bert Cunningham (Published in
Durham, N.C., Duke university press, 1937.)  
Apparently there's also snakes with two tails, although that's even rarer than 
having two heads.

  +----------------------------+--------------------------------------------+
  |       Greg Couillard       |					    |
  |     Cornell University     |	  Insert cute quote here	    |
  | jgreg@msc2.msc.cornell.edu |					    |
  +----------------------------+--------------------------------------------+
From: pk@aficom.ocunix.on.ca (Stephen Kunc)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: herp club FAQ
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 13:01:36 -0400
Reply-To: pk@aficom.ocunix.on.ca (Stephen Kunc)
Distribution: world
Organization: AFI Communications - Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

If anyone has a copy of the North American Herp club FAQ that gets 
posted each month would you mind Mailing me a copy immediately please. 
I need a copy before Tuesday (tomorrow) 7pm.

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From: jmm7076@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.M. Maurer )
Subject: Shedding of a Ball Python
Originator: jmm7076@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:58:11 GMT

Fellow Herp Lovers,
	I have a 3.5 foot Ball python, and have had him for about
one year.  Ever since I have had him he has yet to shed in one piece.  I
this normal?  It gets annoying for him to crawl around for a week with
skin  flapping everywhere.  Eventually all of it falls off.  I have
tried to soak him in water after his eye caps fall off, but this does
little good.  

	Also he is a pig when it comes to eating.  For an animal his
size what is a good weekly amount of mice.  I have kept to two [2] to
three [3] a week.  He seems to be fattening up and has put on about six
inches since I got him.  I really wouldn'y mind him a foot or so longer
but I don't want an overly fat and lasy herp on my hands.

Jim         
aka Mouse

P.S.  My roomate has a hyperactive leopard Geko and would like to add to
the tank.  Any suggestions as to another herp to add would be most
appreciated.
From: fiedler@netcom.com (Dragon (David Fiedler))
Subject: Re: Looking for any info on mutant herps...
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 07:13:41 GMT
Organization: InfoPro Systems: Writers, Consultants, and Dragons

bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent) writes:

>I'm sure there's documentation "out there" on mutated herps, but hopefully
>I can get sources directly from y'all, if you've seen any.

Well, we've been visiting the Steinhart Aquarium in San Francisco for over
a decade, and they've had a two-headed rat snake (I believe) there all
that time. Many of the herp exhibits there are closed now (or they were
last week) for renovation, so I don't know if Gemini or Schizo or whatever
his/her/their name is, is still around.

I understand the biggest trick is making sure only one head gets hold of
the mouse...
-- 
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"The future is tekon"     Internet: fiedler@netcom.com or david@infopro.com
USMail:InfoPro Systems, PO Box 220 Rescue CA 95672 Phone:916/677-5870 FAX:-5873
Organization: Senior, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:47:00 -0400 
From: Alexander Bernard Brands <ab3n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: An omelet for my Savannah

Well since my monitor likes eggs so much, I came up with this idea:  I
could scramble some eggs, mix in some ground beef and maybe some bone
meal, and make a big omelet.  I would cut this into appropriately sized
strips, wrap them in Saran wrap, and warm up a couple at a time to feed
to the lizard.  This worked well for a corn snake that I had in high
school.  I was wondering what other sort of nutritious goodies I could
mix in?  By the way, I do plan to supplement this diet with live food.
   -Alex
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From: enigma@netcom.Netcom.COM (Enigma)
Subject: Re: New savanah monitor
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 03:51:33 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Service

In article <87T2qB3w165w@iowegia.uucp> quest@iowegia.uucp (Steve J. Quest) writes:

>	 I take my monitor out for walks.  I get a few stares, and
> most people step FAR away from it, but I also get a number of kids
> who say "wow- what is it?" and then I start them on the road to
> loving herps.  Not only are walks on warm sidewalks good for the
> monitor, it is good for herp public relations.  So long as the
> sidewalk is warm, George will move, and quickly!  He turns to lead
> when he cools off- like all ectotherms................sq he got
> really fat and lazy....)

Do you use a leash?  If so, what do you use, a collar? or one of
those harness things?
-- 
Holly McGrath   <enigma@netcom.com> 
1803 Mission Street, #339          
Santa Cruz, CA 95060              
(408) 479-4072  (voice mail)     
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: Burmese Pythons and Iguanas?
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:08:10 GMT

pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander) writes:

>In article <16909@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> nathan@charles.ucdavis.edu (Nathan Rollins) writes:
>>
>>  I was wondering... could a small burmese python and a medium size
>>iguana share a large terrarium? Or will the iguana mysteriously vanish?
>>They don't need to share; I've got plenty of cages- but I think they
>>would look neat together. Any suggestions?

>Boa constrictors *will* eat iguanas.  I don't know if a Burmese would.
>But I wouldn't cage them together.

Burmese wil go after each other when the food fever is uopn them.
Be careful who you bunk them with, they have a "top of the food chain"
attitude.

cheers,
gerard






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From: cu@island.COM (Charlotte Upchurch)
Subject: Baby Snakes for Sale
Keywords: Baby Snakes
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:38:08 GMT

FOR SALE:

Baby Burmese Pythons and Boa Constrictors.
About 3 months old.
$100 each

Please reply to cu@island.com
From: mojo@reed.edu (Jet Pilot)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Looking for any info on mutant herps...
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:13:22 GMT
Organization: Dis-

In article <0aynq#q.fiedler@netcom.com> fiedler@netcom.com (Dragon (David Fiedler)) writes:
>Well, we've been visiting the Steinhart Aquarium in San Francisco for over
>a decade, and they've had a two-headed rat snake (I believe) there all
>that time. Many of the herp exhibits there are closed now (or they were

Yow!  If it's the same one I remember, it's been there for close to two
decades.  That's impressive.

>I understand the biggest trick is making sure only one head gets hold of
>the mouse...

A friend of mine has a two-headed garter snake.  Apparently he ran into this
problem once---both heads got hold of dinner, and neither one wanted to let
go...he says they seem to have independent brains, and neither one wanted to
hand over its meal to this stranger next door.

-- 
say boss you seem to have upgraded from the old typewriter to a vt220 and so
correspondingly from a cockroach to a topologist but still eschewing the
shift key for old times sake i believe mehitabel the cat is now studying
business somewhere in the east and archy is being nathan or mojo@reed.edu
From: nathan@charles.ucdavis.edu (Nathan Rollins)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: cage cleaning: bleach vs hydrogen peroxide
Date: 7 Sep 92 22:01:58 GMT
Distribution: rec.pets.herp
Organization: Bohemian Inebriation Association



 Well, I just went through this myself with having to try and get rid of
mites, so....
 The vet I went to reccomended soap, a very mild bleach solution (3%)
and lots and lots of water to get it realy rinsed out, then let it
dry in the sun (this helps sterilize I suppose) thoroughly.
 I don't know about hydrogen peroxide... I do know that I used to
rise my mouth out with hydrogen peroxide, something that you wouldn't
catch me doing with bleach, but whether its disinfection or safety you're
concerned about....(shrug)

- otter
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