From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: Why are many low-income women fat? (was Re: Separate but Equal?)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 16:30:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.073456.17548@microsoft.com> jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.192754.2012@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec15.004406.27226@microsoft.com> jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer) writes:
>>>It is a LIE that fat people are bad, that fat people are ill, that fat
>>>people are sick, that fat people can't be fit, that fat people's lives
>>>would be perfect if they were thin. 
>>So stop spreading obnoxious lies. These are ALL subjects of your invention
>>BTW, except one. 
>
>No, they are what I've been told for the last 15 years from family,
>from doctors, from teachers, and from "friends". 

Let me rephrase, Jen Kilmer, and only Jen Kilmer, introduced these topics. 
They did not in any way follow from what was posted. If rini were still on 
her misrepresentation bandwagon, and I had responded to your post as you
responded to mine, she would be dancing with glee chanting the misrepresentation
mantra (:^).
 
>>>                                       Of course, these LIES generate lots
>>>of money for the diet industry. Anorexia and bulimia? Better than being fat.
>>You have your own private agenda, I can see that. 
>
>Somewhat. When I see someone stating unilaterally that fat people
>cannot be physically fit, I become angry. 

The problem is that you see what you want too see, and that makes you angry.
I did not state that "fat people cannot be physically fit" (another
misrepresentation rini), but that they are -not- fit. If the distinction
is to subtle, then this thread should die.

>                                           Unless you are defining
>fit == !fat, at which point I wish you'd define your terms. 

It is curious that most who claim that others need to define their terms
fail to do so themselves. What do you mean by these terms?
 
>>Does it even matter what I say or do not say? 
>
>Depends on what you mean. I no longer want to kill myself because
>I'm fat, if that's what you want to know. I no longer cry when 
>reading words like yours which imply that fat people are substandard.

No, that is not what I mean. The above response is a good indicator
that you are not reading what I post so much as reacting to some
hot-button being pressed. In this case, my words are irrelevant, 
and it does not matter what I post (which is what I said). Notice that you
claim to have read "words like yours which imply that fat people are 
substandard", I do not believe that this is true, and I did not post
that this was the case, nevertheless, that is what you read.
 
>If you mean that I misunderstood you, that you did not mean to imply
>that fat people are substandard, 

-------------SHOW ME THE TEXT THAT GAVE YOU THIS IDEA-----------------
I'll mail you the entire thread if it would help.

>                                then yes, it matters. I'll kill this
>thread on my newsreader and shut up.
>
>>I can see that you have gone completely non-rational, and no discussion is
>>possible. You show your own prejudices here as well.
>
>I've HAD people tell me, for 15 years, that I'm fat and therefore 
>stupid, ugly, crappy, shitty, and not going to amount to anything.
>IN THOSE WORDS. 

And therefore you feel justified in responding as if I had used those
words, even though I have not. I do not hate you Jen. Sadly, you are 
trying real hard to give me cause to dislike you.

>                       Usually following "you're fat because you eat
>too much and don't do aerobics". Again, I am repeating what TEACHERS
>and DOCTORS have told me, not just peers. "You will have a shitty life" 
>"You won't amount to anything" "You will never get married" "I don't
>understand how you get such good grades when you can't lose a little
>weight".

You can live in your past, or live in the present and work to create a
future you desire. 
 
>I've been hit before, Rich. Excuse me for raising shields
>when seeing someone else lock on phasers. 

Your sensors need recalibration Jen.  (no smiley)
 
>(half smile)
>
>-jen


Rich

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