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From: bjf@castle.ed.ac.uk (B Fletcher)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Vienna - where to stay
Date: 30 Jul 92 08:32:31 GMT
Distribution: eunet
Organization: Edinburgh University

I am trying to find some cheap and central accommodation in Vienna for
the last 3 weeks in August (12th Aug to 2nd Sep to be precise).  A room only
would be enough - we can find our own meals.

Does anybody know of anywhere suitable?  I doesn't have to be a hotel,
but it's for my wife & myself, so it would preferably have double/twin
rooms, or singles.  I tried the University Halls of residence, but they
only have dormitories available.

Brian
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Subject: Re: San Francisco sightseeing DONT DO!
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:08:26 GMT

In article <#6jmrwj.rlerdorf@netcom.com>, rlerdorf@netcom.com (Rasmus Lerdorf) writes:
> ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes:

> I would have to agree.  I thought it was extremely fascinating watching 
> hundreds of sea lions lying on the docks at pier 39.  Of course it is a
> tourist trap, and I like to avoid tourist traps, but most tourist traps
> are created because there is something interesting to see.  

That's the irony of Fisherman's Wharf -- there's no longer much of the 
original attraction to see!   Anything resembling a colorful base for a 
real fishing industry died out or was crowded out by the tourist traps
decades ago.   I think the few boats remaining there are subsidized
just to keep up appearances.  And the restaurants which once dished
up quality seafood right off the boats deteriorated long ago under
the crush of legions of undiscriminating tourists.  IMHO the only
reasons for going there are 1) it's where two of the cable car lines
terminate, and 2) it's where the very worthwhile harbor and Alcatraz
tours depart from.

For seafood try Scott's or Tadich's.  

As to Chinatown, it has some touristy aspects to it, but there are
a great many truly fine restaurants and shops with quality
merchandise.  It's hard to tell from the outside, though.

 
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From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Collecting Visa stamps (was: Passport needed for visa?)
Date: 29 Jul 92 01:50:02 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <1992Jul28.063946.21107@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
 > wlim@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM (Willie Lim) wrote: 
 > 
 > ->stamped every time we enter one of those countries.  Those visa stamps
 > ->on our passports would be great souvenirs.  
 > 
 > they're also good documentation later on, in the event you have to
 > document your travels for one reason or another ...
 > 
Alas, we have to return our passport if it expires.  We get a new one, but
in general do not get the old ones back.  That is how I lost my Albanian
stamps from 1977.  (It was strange.  They were put on the *last* page.)
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From: mluoto@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Markku Luoto)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Portugal
Date: 19 Jul 92 09:18:03 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki


	hello,
	I'm going for a SCUBA TOUR in Portugal with own car for a week
	or so, any hints of what to see & what not ( DO's & DONT's)

	If there's a diver online where to get wet ?

	and ofcourse all trawellingstories concerning Portugal are
	appreciated !


thanks !

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Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: trip to Wisconsin or Michigan
From: mbvg9741@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (plain)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:07:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

  Hi, I'm new to this group.
  I just wanted to know if anyone could tell me of good (scenic) places
  to visit in Michigan or Wisconsin (preferably Wisconsin -- 'Cause we
  live closer to it).  We are planning a weekend trip in two or three
  weeks. 

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From: llew@coal.WPI.EDU (Lew Yan Voon)
Subject: Re: Cititravel / Travel America in Half Price
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:25:55 GMT

In article <5402@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> meir@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu (Yigal Meir) writes:
>Some time ago I was contacted by a Citibank representative, trying to
> convince me to join Cititravel club, which includes benefits such
> as 50% off selected hotels. Having a month to check it out before
> actually having to pay for it, I agreed. Yesterday I got the list
> of hotels and tried to book one. The price quoted to me was 58$,
> half price off the ~120$ a double room costs at that hotel, so they
> claimed. I later called and asked for the price of a double room 
> without mentioning my 50% off. I was quote a price of 65$ (a special,
> though).
> I was wondering if this is the typical "half-price" that I should
> expect to pay. If other people have any experience with this
> "Entertainment/Travel America at half price" plan, I would 
> appreciate any input.

though i don't have 1st hand experience, my feeling is that you
only get 1/2 off rooms which are not among the cheapest to
start with.

if you're not looking for luxury, try the day's inn. i've called
up a couple of chains and they seem to have the cheapest rooms
everywhere thanks to a summer special. the rates mainly range
from $30-45/night for 2 adults + 1 child. also, when reserving ask
for the ICC card (don't remember what the letters stand for).
entitles one to an additional 10% off, free upgrades if available,
free newspaper, free coffee anytime, free local calls. btw,
the above rates are for hotels. i'm not sure why they would be
lower than their own motels in the same cities. maybe someone
has an answer?

lok
From: maennig@uwe.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Olaf Maennig)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Northern Germany?
Date: 29 Jul 1992 15:37:02 GMT
Organization: University of Dortmund, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: uwe

Hi, Ben!
My mail to you returned because "User unknown". So, I post my answer to you.
The following is my letter:

In article <figgis_b.712377828@kultarr>, you write:
|> Hi. I'm heading off to europe at the end of the year, and will spend
|> about a week heading up to the Kiel area from Frankfurt. ...

I'm from Dortmund in the middle part of Germany (about 300 km north of
Frankfurt.

|> ... If some
|> kind hearted soul out there has spent time in the North of Germany,
|> perhaps you could suggest possible places to see/avoid, interesting
|> route to take, whatever. Cheers!

How long do you want to stay here, and what are you thinking of to do?
End of the year is a quite bad time to come to here, because on the one
hand it is too warm to snow, and on the other hand to cool for a nice
season. However, we almost have bad weather here, although this summer is
really great.

|> Also a friend suggested that the anti-tourist sentiment is running 
|> (comparatively) high in the area. Is this true, or just a bit of hype?

I don't understand that. Could you explain what you wanted to say with
that? Do you mean that there tourists aren't so welcome, or whatever?

|> I am planning on using hostels or similar inexpensive accom.

How do you plan to travel? If you go by car, there is almost no problem.
Especially the Northern part (more North than I live) does not offer
very good public transportation services. So, if you want to go by train
or by bus, you will have to plan your trip carefully. Anyway, it is not
so bad as in Canada ;-)

However, cheap accomodation is offered by Youth Hostels, but there are
some restrictions. You will have to be younger than 26, and some more.
I could check that out, if you want.

Nevertheless, staying in Youth Hostels is often the least expensive
accomodation, although in Northern Germany you will often find private
rooms to rent.

|> Thanks in advance. Follow-up or mail me, doesnt matter.

Never mind.

|> Ben.
|> -- 
|> ------------------------------------------------
|> | ben figgis, figgis_b@kultarr.cs.uwa.oz.au    |
|> | }:-<                                    (-:  | 
|> ------------------------------------------------

Bye,
	Olaf

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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: saevans@l_cae12.icaen.uiowa.edu (Scott A Evans,,,)
Subject: Re: Need info for Amtrak travel
Originator: saevans@l_cae12
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:17:29 GMT
Reply-To: saevans@icaen.uiowa.edu
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

>    How easy is it to sleep with the rail noise and frequent stops without 
>    being in a sleeper car?

On the superliner cars (for the most part, the long distance trains west of
Chicago), the rail noise isn't a problem as you're quite a bit off the rails.
Try to sit closer to the center of the car, as it's smoother and quieter 
there.   

>    What are meal prices like?  How good is the food?

I'd call the food decent, and the prices a bit expensive, but not out of line
considering you're on a train and the extra hassles associated with that.

> 3. On each leg of the trip, I switch trains in Chicago, and have layovers of
>    varying lengths.  For the longer than 2 hr layovers, is the station close 
>    to someplace that I shouldn't miss seeing while I have the opportunity?

If I were you, I wouldn't worry about trying to get out, as it's unlikely 
that you'll have the time.  Amtrak is known for being late.  I've ridden the
Eagle twice into Chicago and transfered to the Empire Builder, and both times
the Eagle got into the station about 10 minutes before the Empire Builder 
was *scheduled* to leave.  The Eagle was about 2 hours or so late both times,
but fortunately the Empire Builder was an hour or so late in leaving Chicago
heading west.  

In the rather unlikely event that you will have the time to spare, Union 
Station in Chicago is right downtown, so you're only a couple blocks from
everything, including the Sears Tower, which is a fun diversion.

Hope this helps.


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From: cbraun@Control.COM (Corinne Braun)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Avis Europe Experience
Summary: similar experience
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:35:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: cthulhuC.2424
Organization: Control Technology Corp., Hopkinton MA


 I had a similar bad experience a few years ago in Zuerich
with one of the smaller European companies, can't think of the
name offhand.  I requested a stop payment with the credit card        
company based on the disputed amount.  It was settled in my favor,
but the company has repeatedly tried to rebill my account 
every 6 months or so since, even though I no longer have
the account open!  In short, I guess one should beware of
car rental in general in Europe (or at least Switz.), and
understand in advance that the attitude there is not "The
customer is always right."  No big emphasis on customer service!

Corinne
From: gcb@ukc.ac.uk (G.C.Blundell)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Hiring Motorcycles in Florida
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:19:16 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

I am planning to go Florida in early September, and would like to 
hire a motorcycle there( I can't drive a car). I have tried various companies
here in the UK but the minimum age to hire a motorcycle through them
is 21 for which I am too young.

So, does anyone know of any hire company or motorcycle shop which does
hire out motorcycles for anyone under 21(preferably in the Orlando or
Titusville area, but anywhere will suffice).

Gary.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: jennie+@cs.cmu.edu (Jennifer Kay)
Subject: Black Death?? Lake Tahoe??
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 21:40:52 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

OK, I know this is a bit strange, but anyway. Some friends of mine
from abroad are coming to visit the US soon. One of them has heard
that there has been an outbreak of the "Black Death" at Lake Tahoe.
Does anyone know anything about this? Does anyone know if there is any
reason to be worried about visiting Yosemite?

Thanks,

-- Jennie
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Sailing cruise info wanted
From: <WELACK@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 27 Jul 1992 10:30:09 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

I'm considering a sailing cruise next year and am starting to do some
research. Can anyone give me some info, experiences, reccomendations on
cruises such as Windjammer, Club Med 1, Blackbeard, etc. It'll be sort-of
a second honeymoon for my wife and I. We both scuba dive and are
more interested in having a good time on a vacation than having a real
luxurious cruise. We'd probably prefer a smaller ship, with less
people.
 
Any and all help would be appreciated. Please respond by email.
 
Bill Lack
From: adrion@capri.cs.umass.edu (Rick Adrion)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Experience with flat rentals in London?
Keywords: tourist looking for advice
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:05:05 GMT
Reply-To: adrion@capri.cs.umass.edu (Rick Adrion)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

I am considering renting a flat in London for my family for the end
of August/beginning of Sept. for a week. Anyone out there with
experience with agencies that handle these rentals? Suggestions on areas
of London that would be best? How do these compare with hotel rentals?
There are four of us. We will be there to sightsee primarily.

Thanks.
Rick Adrion
Xref: sparky rec.travel:10737 rec.travel.air:3533
From: charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Need info for Amtrak travel
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:00:37 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel
Organization: The Original Estrogen-Crazed Lust Bunnies

In article <92209.133123LANDERSO@NDSUVM1.BITNET> LANDERSO@NDSUVM1.BITNET writes:
>Howdy folks.  I would appeciate any info, stories (good or bad), and ideas of
>what to expect on my upcoming vacation.  I will be traveling on Amtrak to
>Little Rock, Omaha, and Indianapolis.  A few questions in paticular:
>
>1. How easy is it to sleep with the rail noise and frequent stops without being
>   in a sleeper car?

I can't do it.  Your mileage may vary.  On many an overnight trip, the
lounge car floor is littered with the bodies of people who can't sleep
sitting up.  The fact that they'd rather stretch out on a dirty floor
to get some rest than spend a sleepless night in a coach seat might
give you a clue.

Take a blanket.  Roach spray is optional.

>2. What are meal prices like?  How good is the food?

Meal prices are reasonable.  The food ranges from uninspired to really
quite good at times.

>And for all the flames that may fly my direction from the rec.travel.air sub, I
>will gladly accept info in E-mail to not clutter the sub.  I just figured that
>some of the folks there might have ridden the friendly rails.

Shucks, there are probably lots of people in rec.food.cooking who've gone
by train too; knock yourself out.

Charleen
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"Oh look!  Donut seeds!"
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Subject: Re: Help with Yosemite plan
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:26:52 GMT

In article <ELM.92Jul21183207@terrorism.berkeley.edu>, elm@cs.berkeley.edu (ethan miller) writes:
 
> Actually, the climb up to the top of Nevada Falls (which is on the
> trail to Half-Dome) is close to 2000' vertical gain from the
> trailhead.  Hardly the 4000' of Half-Dome, which, but respectable
> nonetheless.  Then there's always the climb to the top of Yosemite
> Falls, which has a 2500' gain in a 3.5 mile trail.

Some or all of the Half Dome - Vernal Falls - Nevada Falls trail is 
probably the most rewarding for the effort expended.  The most  
all-encompassing view of the Valley is from Glacier Point which you can 
drive to, or hike up to from the Valley floor.  You can also
include Glacier Point in a loop trip to Half Dome or the falls 
without adding too much to the mileage and elevation gain.

I don't think the hike all the way to the top of Yosemite Falls is all 
that rewarding, compared the above two hikes.   You can't even see the
brink all that well from the observation point.  I would just hike up
as far as the lower part of the upper falls.  Many tourists are
complaining "how much farther" before they even get to that point.
 
> Tuolomne Meadows is nice as well.  The climb to the top of Lambert
> Dome at the east end of the meadows isn't too difficult (less than
> 1000' vertical), and provides an excellent view over the meadows.

If you drive all the way over Tioga Pass to Lee Vining you're only a 
side trip away from the ghost town of Bodie.


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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: zhoud@ece.orst.edu (Dongsheng Zhou)
Subject: Information on Crater Lake?
Originator: zhoud@lingcod.ECE.ORST.EDU
Organization: Oregon State University, Corvallis
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:18:08 GMT

	My friends and I plan to go to the Crater Lake in Oregon this weekend.
I would like to know what are must-see and which trails are must-hike. Do you
know if the Rim Drive is open or not?

Thanks for your reply!

e-mail: zhoud@ece.orst.edu

Dongsheng
July 22

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: ataylor@agsm.ucla.edu (Al Taylor)
Subject: Canadian Taxes-Refund
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:41:55 PDT


I remember a discussion concerning how to get refunded for taxes
payed while on vacation in Canada. Could someone tell me how I
would go about doing this or a t least point me in the right direction.

Thanks in advance,


al		ataylor@agsm.ucla.edu
From: packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Passport needed for visa?
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:43:00 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Independence
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

Thanks for the e-mail on this. I understand that the visa is
a stamp in the passport itself.
From: ichiban@munchkin.Eng.Sun.COM (Peter Luk)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Anyone heard of TFI Tours?
Date: 28 Jul 1992 23:46:14 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: na
Reply-To: ichiban@munchkin.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: munchkin

Anyone heard of such a travel agency? They have a 800 number and a
San Francisco number (which is routed back to the 800 number), and
no listed address. They do have low prices on air fares, but from
the little dealing I had with them on the phone, the service is
curt and brusque: they pushed to sell you a ticket, and seemed
impatient if you asked too many questions about the fare's 
restrictions/penalties, departing times...etc.

Any satisfied customers out there??

-Pete


Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: joec@fid.morgan.com (Joe Collins)
Subject: where is mustique?
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Co., New York, NY
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:41:54 GMT

My son has been invited to stay with his classmate when they
vacation in/on the island of Mustique (spelling?). All we
know is that it is in the caribbean....can anyone help
with such details as:

Passport/Visa requirements?
Weather?
Culture, i.e. is it Dutch owned, British, etc?

Any other information would be helpful.

BTW, my son is 10 years old.

Thanks in advance.....

Joe
joec@morgan.com
From: pgybass@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (michael patrick swain)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: santa fe concert info?
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:15:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hello,
	I'll be in the Santa Fe/Albuquerque area in the last week of August.
If anyone knows of any concerts in that area I'd greatly appreciate any
info on dates and locations via e-mail.

michael p. swain
pgybass@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu

p.s.  there is no "e" at the end of "buffalo" like there is in "potatoe".
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
Subject: Re: InterRail - 5 nations exit
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:42:09 GMT

In article <CC.92Jul24125649@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk> cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.172209.6882@colorado.edu> citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin) writes:
>
>   >I just got back from Portugal and I know that Spain was charging InteRail
>   >passengers 5000 pesetas if they stopped over in Spain.  I met dozens
>   >of people who had ridden straight through to Portugal in order to avoid
>   >the fee.
>
>   How can they tell?  What's to prevent you from getting off the train in
>   Spain without paying the fee?
>
>Ticket inspectors at ticket barriers in the railway station, I'd imagine.
>--

Hmmm.  Are there any countries in Europe that do this?  In all the countries
I've traveled through by train (admittedly not Spain), the ticket is only
examined on the train after boarding, and possibly at the gate to the station
platform on entrance (sometimes in Milan, for example).  Every train ticket 
I've seen gives the passenger the right take the train to a given destination 
within a certain amount of time, with the right to get off at any intervening 
stations.  The only exceptions I've seen have been immigration-related (getting
off in East Germany when one only has a transit visa for Berlin, for example).  
I'm not saying that a system like the one you suggest doesn't exist, only that 
I've never seen it.

Wayne

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From: jimj@cleanplate.EBay.Sun.COM (James D. Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Need info for Amtrak travel
Date: 28 Jul 1992 14:42:37 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cleanplate.ebay.sun.com

In article <1992Jul28.061420.20010@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>
>get a sleeper.  not one of those "sleeperettes," either; they're
>horribly uncomfortable (they fold and have a seam in the middle which
>pokes you in the ribs all night long) and they're too short (and i'm
>only 176cm tall...)

West of Chicago, so I'm told, all sleeping cars are Superliners; they
don't offer the sleeperettes offered on the Heritage cars that run on the
eastern routes.  Cheapest bedroom on Superliners is the economy bedroom, and 
I don't think the beds fold in the way you're talking about.  At any rate, I 
didn't notice a seam, top berth or bottom, and I think the bottom berth is 
6'4" long. 

I would definitely prefer a comportant myself, but even an economy bedroom
ain't cheap.  And it costs the same whether two or one occupy it.

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