From: jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali)
Subject: Re: Good Bye Mr. Bush ( The End)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 02:02:28 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

In article <1emckhINNikt@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan) writes:
>I wrote , and then Nadeem wrote, and then I wrote, and then Nadeem wrote,
>and then I wrote again, and this time Nadeem wrote( with Gul Agha's Help) again
>And so I reply.....
>

You took too much time Mansoor Khan. I have already said everything I had to
say. BTW, my reference to Gul Agha was only meant to acknowledge that ending
a posting with "Peace" is something you normally see in his articles.

>
>>Dear Mansoor Khan
>	Yes dear? 

:-)

>>I am really not interested in a serious debate on any of these issues. If
>	I do not think you ever were. You are the one who told me to
>	buy a soap for my 2000 body parts and more :-), you told me
>	to relieve myself, and thanks for your advice, and changed the topic
>	from the discussion of corrupt politicians like Navaz Sharif,
>	Benazir and Zardari, and Jatoi into arguments over Muhajirs. You
>	forced me to put the data about Pakistani rulers' ethnicity.
>	Zaahir hae, you were not serious!

I had not changed any topic of discussion. You never responded to my reply
to your original posting (the one in which the results of US elections
reminded you of Pakistani politics). I DID NOT change any discussion into
anything. YOU accused me of having made a racist remark against "Muhajirs".
I challenged you to show where... You never did. That's what brought 
Muhajirs into the discussion.

>
>>I were, I would have responded to your criticism of Quota System in another
>>recent posting. There is hardly anything achieved in such debates. In the other
>>posting, you have also referred to the "Hyderabad massacre". I have on many
>>occasions commented on such propaganda, and have given quite conclusive
>>arguements in justification of population based quota system, and the
>>Hyderbad cleanup operation. Each time after my response no one had anything
>	Not this time baby, try me. There is no way anyone can justify
>	the quota system the way it is implemented in Pakistan. And there is
>	no way one can justify killings like those in Hyderabad, Sindh.
>	In short Quota System promotes people like those who cannot take care
>	of Floods in Panjab, and screw up railway control systems in Sukker.
>	May be the people who were responsible for managing the two were
>	selected and promoted-der-promoted because of their race/language
>	and not because of their talent. Watch out for more disasters
>	in Pakistan in future. 

I'm sorry to say that you are not a very intelligent person. Even if you were,
either you do not know, or you choose to defy all rules of a decent discussion.
What is it in Urdu that they call people like you 'moonh ka bawaseer'. I simply
don't want to discuss anything with you. And yes, I know some Urdu... the fact
remains, it's not my native language..

>
>>to say. But what is achieved in that. After a couple of months someone new
>>comes and says the same things and I am considered obliged to repeat my 
>      No baby no, I am not a new one. I have been watching  garbage from people
>	like you, Muhammad Javed Iqbal, and Rahim. Recently Mirza Ilyas
>	has tried to fill up the position left vacant by Muhammad Javed Iqbal.
>	So bulbul, I am not new.... I have been watching you Shareers for
>	a long time. 

I would assume then that you recently reached puberty...

>>arguements. Unfortunately despite the fact that many people seem to be
>>interested in following these debates (and as one gentleman once said that
>>he had saved some 100 postings in such a debate) no one considered it useful
>>to store it in the ftp site where transcripts of other debates were being
>>saved. I'm still waiting for someone unbiased to make an FAQ as brother
>>Haroon Dogar had suggested. Honestly, I don't have time to repeat the whole
>>thing again and again... That's exactly why this time I did not make any
>>accusations, contrary to what you are bent upon accusing me of. I tried my
>>best to avoid it.... and BTW, if you think I am a racist, I'm afraid you
>	Well, may be you are not. But you do make comments like that.
>	May be because of ignorance. 
>>are very wrong. Either you don't know what racisim is.. or you don't know
>>enough about me... or maybe both...
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	Do not underestimate a khan. >

Yeah right... 

>>My objective this time was mainly to point out your use of offensive language
>>about women of your country... I consider the word 'bitch' particularly sexist.
>>... because this word is applicable to only women... similarly, I had objected
>>to Saad Shafqat's calling Benazir the Prime Minister who sleeps with Asif
>	Tell that to Saad Shafqat. He and I do not work in a team fashion,
>	Unlike some others on the net. :-). 
>>Zardari. Such comments are particularly despicable because they can be used
>>against women only because they are women. What if some one asked you, "How
>>is the man who sleeps with your mother" rather than "How is your dad?". Sexism
>	Was this question for me or for Saad Shafqat :-).  If it was
>	for me, I have no problem.

I'm not surprised... 

BTW, I may not know about others, but you are no pathan...

>
>>whether it is on scp.. or in the Canadian parliament when someone called a
>>woman 'slut' is unfortunate. 
>>
>>Similarly, using words like 'shit-head' is hardly condusive to a healthy
>>discussion... if you just want to use dirty language against someone, then
>>accept it. If you want a healthy debate or even if you want to make a
>	Yes, I accept it. I hate Bhutto and Zardari because the way they
>	have ruined Pakistan. I hate Her father, and I hate her grandfather.
>	If you knew any history of the province you claim to be yours,
>	you will hate Benazir's grandfather too. Do you know, that
>	Sir Shah Navaz Bhutto was against Sindh becoming a province,
>	and always worked against the interest of people of Sindh
>	And I hate  Daacoos like Navaz Sharif and Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain.
>	Now you must know why I use dirty language for them. They do not
>	deserve any better.

You are too full of hate and dirt...

I don't claim any province as mine... but then, how can some ta'soob-shit like
you understand that...

>
>>political statement, you aught to behave maturely. Shithead is hardly 
>>something Bhutto was. Using dirty language for someone hoping that it
>	Bhutto either was a shit-head or a traitor to Pakistan. Who will
>	get the country into 1965 war, refuse the results of 1970 elections,
>	or throw away the Polish Resolution for Cease-Fire in East PAkistan.
>	Bhutto was either a stupid who did not know any thing. But, if you
>	think he was really smart, then baby, he was working against the
>	interest of Pakistan.
>
>>would in some way ruin his image hardly behooves normal grown-ups. As
>	Do not worry. Even I dont beleive that my writing any thing
>	against Z. Bhutto or Navaz Sharif will ruin their images.
>	Pakistan is country full of Jaahils. People with short term
>	dynamic RAM. No refreshing mechanism. 
>	As long as majority of Pakistanis is Jaahil, don't you worry
>	about me writing things against great Bhottos and Sharifs and
>	Jatois and Ayubs. They will keep fucking Pakistan for generations.
>

I think Haroon Dogar might like to respond to your comment about Pakistan's
majority. I'll only say that it only shows how less intelligent and how much
biased you are... racist?? well, I'll leave that word for someone to use.

>>I mentioned in a response to an indian netter, it is just like calling
>>Pakistan fuckistan and being amused... I'll repeat what I said last time..
>>I'm really surprised that cultures where such things are considered
>>at least amusing, exist today.
>
>>Peace (thanks Gul Agha)
>	And next time write your own postings. No outside help please :-)

Sure... I guess I've been doing pretty fine with your likes... never really
felt the need for outside help...

>
>>Nadeem
>
>Mansoor Ahmed Khan
>Cleveland
>

Nadeem

PS: I mentioned to Sohban Shahid in my thanks e-mail that I am tied up
with a lot of work and that I appreciated his help in closing the 'Re: Goodbye
Bush' chain amicable... I see the word is spreading...

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Nadeem Jamali                                     jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca
						 
School of Computer Science			  
Technical University of Nova Scotia		  (902)420-7527  
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