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From: ldh@svl.cdc.com (Lawrence D. Hare)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Health Improvement and Ailment Cures.
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:29:16 GMT
Organization: Control Data Systems
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I am wondering what vegetarianism can do for me healthwise, and I am
wondering if other people have had experiences with vegetarianism curing
medical problems they might have. Let me explain:

Toward the beginning of this year I was diagnosed with Glaucoma. I am
taking Batoptic which is a Beta blocker. I dislike it greatly. It
clobbers my taste buds, causes depression and is just generally
unpleasant. But then so is being blind.

Some months later I became vegetarian for ethical reasons.

A couple of weekends ago I sat at the World Vegetarian Fair and listened
to Dr Michael Klaper (I am unsure of the spelling as I do not have any of
the papers with me) as he expounded the merits of vegetarianism, how to
get children involved (our 13 year old daughter - for example), the
environmental and health benefits, progress, and so on. He mentioned that
many people had experienced significant health improvements and had been
able to eliminate many drugs from their daily life, he named Beta
blockers amongst these.

After the lecture I asked him specifically about glaucoma. He said that
he would not be surprised if diet could cause improvement in my situation
and allow me to eliminate the use of Batoptic. As my version of glaucoma
is the "too much juice" variety, it would seem possible. He suggested I
become vegan, get lean (?) and healthy, and stay that way for a year.
Then, working with my opthamologist, attempt to slowly reduce the use of
the beta blocker and see how it goes.

So here goes. We shall see.

My question is: Has anyone any experience in this? Specifically with
Glaucoma. Also, are there stories out there of people who have
experienced significant health improvements, "miracle" cures, etc.?

I shall summarize for the net if there are many responses directed
directly at me rather than this thread. This information could also be
useful in helping folks having difficulties becoming vegetarian.
--
Lawrence D. Hare     ldh@svl.cdc.com
From: ckw0@aber.ac.uk (Carl Keri Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Pulses
Keywords: cooking
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:41:39 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <10518@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> wild@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>-------
>There has been some discussion on the cooking and soaking times required in order
>to remove some supposedly toxic or inhibative chemicals, proteins, whatever from
>pulses before they can be eaten safely or efficiently.
>
>Could somebody please explain what this is all about to me who has recently
>become vegetarian and who uses pulses of various sorts as sources of proteins
>iron, etc. And also can we consider whether pressure cooking can be safetly used
>to shorten the time needed to prepare pulses. I have recently been cooking pulses
>in the cooker without any soaking time and with a little extra water and cooking
>time. Instead of soaking soy beans for a day and cooking for I don't remember how
>many hours, I just cook them in the pressure cooker for 20-30 minutes until they
>are mushy.
>

I'm no chemist, so I won't even try to remember the names of any chemicals 
involved, but basically pulses are dry seeds which contain various substances
designed to stop them being 'broken down' by natural processes so that they 
do not rot before they have chance to germinate and grow into new plants.  
Unfortunately for us, being broken down by our digestive systems is pretty 
similar in many ways to being broken down by natural processes such as rotting
so the mechanisms used by the pulses to prevent this are pretty good at 
stopping us digesting them properly.

The gentlest, cheapest, and most effective way to get them to drop their 
defences is to soak them for 24 hours and then drain and rinse and allow them
to sprout for a few days.  The pulse's defense mechanisms are dropped, and the
reserves of nutrients within are mobilised ready for use by the seedlin, or 
by us if we eat them at this point.  Seems kind of sneaky, somehow, to lull 
them into a false sense of security...  Wonder how fruitarians cope with 
this? :-)
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From: cpr4k@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Christian P. Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: safe and effective ant=away formula
Keywords: don't wana kill the buggers......
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:05:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Academic Computing Center - U.Va.

I've sprinkled cinnamon across their path and they will not
cross it.

-- 

Chris Roberts                     Academic Computing Center
cpr4k@virginia.edu                University of Virginia           
(804) 982-4693                    Charlottesville, Virginia 22903
From: fms@sw.stratus.com (Faith Senie)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: safe and effective ant=away formula
Keywords: don't wana kill the buggers......
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:23:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Oct8.034752.8559@wam.umd.edu>, begonias@wam.umd.edu (Jeremy Ritzer)
writes:
> 
> I guess this isn't really appropriate, unless you consider eating anst/ants
> 	a vegetarian choice, but i was wondering if anybody could help me
> 	persuade some ant critters from hanging out on my kitchen counter.
> Any ideas?  Don't wanna buy those nasty things, and don't necessarily wanna 
> 	commit wholseale slauhghter........

Well, my Grandmother's method was to leave cucumber peels all over her counter.
My husband found that onion slices often did the trick when our first apartment 
developed ants.  And, failing that, leave a blob of either butter or peanut
butter on a plate on the counter.  When all the ants congregate on it,
take the plate outside and set the ants free...  :-)


Faith

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From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: FTP site
Date: 11 Oct 92 06:22:30 GMT
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

marcotte@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian Marcotte) writes:

)>     WRT to rec.food.veg general FAQ list: I haven't seen it posted lately; I
)>searched back postings to rec.food.veg and news.answers, and didn't find
)>it. I want to put a copy in my FTP collection, but my latest copy is from
)>April. Do we still have a FAQ keeper??
)
)I missed the month of September :( ... The October FAQ has been out
)for a while now, and should have reached most of the world. I haven't
)missed any other months. Every time it goes to news.answers also.

     I caught the October edition, thanks. If anyone missed it, ftp to
flubber.cs.umd.edu, directory other/tms/veg.

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From: tdlg9831@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tracey Dianne Layng)
Subject: Re: Suggestions for wedding reception
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:30:19 GMT
Keywords: menu, suggestions

This posting is in regard to ideas for a wedding reception.

There was a post which listed one of the traditional ways to hold a wedding
reception, there is another way which is simpler. After the ceremony, the
guests are served relishes and dip, fruit, nuts, mints, cheese and crackers and
the traditional wedding cake (plus or minus ice-cream, your choice.) This is
held at the church or someplace nice with a canopy-type tent. Punch, juice and
coffee are the beverages of choice here. (I am getting married here in the US
in June and my fiance is Indian. The above is the type of reception we are
having.) Generally at this type of reception, there is no dancing, but if you
want it, go ahead.

If you are planning on having a large reception in a restaurant or hall, you
have the option of serving a ragout or vegetarian lasagna, etc. Salads and
fruit are always fine. Bread or rolls and soup as one course are fine. I would
say that your choices are endless. I would suggest talking to a
caterer or to the restaurant at which you plan to have the reception. 
It is your reception; therefore, you should have whatever you want.

Though most people will expect alcohol, if you elect not to serve it no breach
of etiquette will have occurred. To replace the alcoholic drinks I would
suggest a selection of juices or alcholic drinks without the alcohol. They are
often called virgin drinks because all the ingredients are the same as the
alcoholic drink,but there is no alcohol (a bloody Mary or a Mai Tai)

If you wish to have Indian food that is perfectly acceptable,too. Talk to an
Indian restaraunt or caterer. 

I would say that the only totally obligatory thing at the wedding is the cake.
You cannot have a reception here without a cake. The cake can be any kind you
want from traditional white to chocolate to marzipan or even cheesecake. Cheese
cake is more expensive.

I hope this helps.

Tracey
UIUC
From: s_foster@HICOM.LUT.AC.UK ("Fruitbat, Professional Homosexual")
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Rumours of my death have been souffled
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:31:14 GMT


As it happens, I am not dead, and I am no longer working in a bank
(after a disagreement between me and an incompetent twit who thought
he was a technically competent manager). I am now working for the
Clinical Systems section of Clinical Statistics and Data Handling of
the Wellcome Foundation...

I'm sure I have the canonical list of my recipes somewhere, I'm just
not quite sure where I put them (fruitbats make things in electronic
piles in the same way that they make things in paper piles and floppy
disk piles and so on...). I will dig them out.

Hopefully, I will soon have my little machine on the Internet, and I
will be able to read news and post fiddly mushroom recipes to my
hearts content.

Capsibums till then,

Fruitbat.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: tara@socrates.umd.edu (Tara McDermott)
Subject: Re: vegan restuarant near Wash. DC!
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:58:51 GMT

red_trek@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:

>I wanted to publicize a *terrific* restuarant my family and I ate at
>tonight -- the Chinese "Vegetable Garden", in Maryland, outside of DC
>(in the USA).  The Vegetable Garden is on the third floor of the White
>Flint Mall.

>This restuarant is exculsively vegetarian--in fact, I believe it is
>exculsively *vegan* (I won't swear to the wontons or the fortune cookies,
>but even the "egg rolls", according to the menu, are made without 
>eggs).  And the food there is delicious!  There are DOZENS of dishes
>there!

Their fortune cookies have eggs in them.  Other than that I believe
their menu to be vegan.  Having talked to the manager about this, I
know that if there was an alternative to the fortune cookies, they
would have them.  But as it stands, unless they order a 100 cases at a
time, they can't get them egg free. 

>The White flint Mall is a bit south of the White Flint Metro stop
>on the red line.  If you're ever in DC, check it out!

If you are close enough to go to Vegetable Garden, you're close enough
to go to Beautiful Day, a natural food store (vegetarian) that has a
vegetarian cafe in the back of the store - all natural ingredients,
often mostly organic, and very casual environment.

>--Andrea

Tara
From: seibl@Q.nas.nasa.gov (Michael J. Seibl)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: ISO: Vegetarian Martial Artists
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:53:09 GMT
Reply-To: seibl@Q.nas.nasa.gov (Michael J. Seibl)
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA

In article <60978@mimsy.umd.edu>, tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:
|> 
|>      Are there any other vegetarian martial artists out there? A friend
|> of mine at the dojo, who's a vegan and a rather slender fellow, is
|> training for his black belt, and all the instructors are pressuring him
|> to bulk up. Any training advice is appreciated. (Especially since it'll
|> make it easier when my turn comes!)
|> 
|> ===============================================================================
|> Tom Swiss/tms@cs.umd.edu  |  "Born to die"   |   Keep your laws off my brain!
|>      "What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?" - Nick Lowe 
|>           This is a .signature antibody. Vaccinate your .sig!
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|>        ingenious."

	I am 6'4" and 240 lbs and a vegetarian Kung Fu San Soo instructor. I've been a non-carnivore for almost 12 years. Lot's of bean/rice combo dishes. Too much cheese though otherwise I'd be about 230. 8'>  .


Seib

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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: jereese@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (jean reese)
Subject: New veg restaurant in Bloomington, Ind.
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:51:03 GMT


Ah, Bloomington, Indiana, a contemporary, liberal town ... wouldn't you
like to live there? Not if you're vegetarianand depend on restaurant meals
for survival! But wait, Bloomington finally has a vegetarian restaurant!

It's called the Vegetarian House, and it's a Chinese/Indian place with
a completely vegetarian menu. It just opened ten days ago, with no
publicity, so I thought I'd help them out. We had a party of eight 
there last night, and ordered eight different dishes - which were all
good. There are eggs and milk involved in some of them, but my 
husband was so excited to be able to choose from an ENTIRE menu instead
of trying to decipher what is likely to be vegetarian and what is not.

The proprietor of the restaurant told us that he had worked in enough
Chinese restaurants that cheat, in other words, when you say "No MSG,"
the cook puts it in anyway. He wanted to create an environment in which
there would be no chicken broth, no MSG, no meat disguised as tofu.

It's a great place, so when you visit Bloomington, come to the Vegetarian
House, located at 213 N. Walnut, just north of the main square.

and now back to our regularly scheduled program ...
From: xmpp@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Melody Paul)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Wheat Waffles
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:54:57 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

Is there a Wheat pancake and waffles mix on the market, if not does
anyone have a recipe for making the batter from scrath?
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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 17:25:16 -0400 
From: Milind Kandlikar <mk49+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Was Jesus Christ in favour of vegetarianism ?

>This one is from Ted Altar. There are 6 main points and quite 
>interesting to read. 
Quite irrelevant too!
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Taco Bell's products ...
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:27:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Oct8.170710.1948@newshub.sdsu.edu> cs108069@pandora.sdsu.edu (DeRose) writes:
>My roommate used to work at a Taco Bell some six years ago.  Some
>very gruesome stories...He assured me that in every vat of their
>beans, one large block (1~2lbs) of LARD would follow.  Pretty
>sick stuff.  Bad news about most of their entrees:  A plain
>bean burrito has close to 20g of FAT.  Bummer.  :-(

Tempora mutantur, et nos mutamur in illis.

According to Taco Bell, their bean burritos are now vegetarian, and
contain 14g of fat. That seems fine to me.

Paul
From: cs108069@pandora.sdsu.edu (John DeRose)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: High Protein & Carb Veggie Diet
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:44:46 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Can anyone recommend a high in protein and carbohydrate diet for
a veggie weight-trainer?  Fish, cheese, eggs and milk are a.o.k.
Thanks!  :-)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: young@serum.kodak.com
Subject: Food Pyramid info
Originator: young@sasquatch
Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 21:02:25 GMT

   People have asked similar questions before; here's AN answer, if not
   THE answer.

   From the TUFTS DIET AND NUTRITION LETTER: Vol. 10, No. 8, October 1992:

        Q: Why are beans lumped together with meat and poultry near the top
             of the new Food Guide Pyramid...?  As I understood it, foods
             placed near the pyramid's "summit" tend to be relatively high
             in fat and are therefore supposed to be eaten less frequently
             than the low- and non-fat items such as bread adn vegetables
             placed closer to the pyramid's base.  But beans are fat-free,
             so it would seem that they shouldn't be up there with the
             animal foods.

        A: [The] confusion is understandable since beans are, for all
             practical purposes, devoid of fat.  A cup of just about any
             popular variety -- black, kidney, lima, or pinto, for instance --
             contains only a fraction of one gram of fat.  The reason beans
             are listed alongside meat and poultry (as well as fish, eggs,
             and nuts) is that, like those foods, they are good sources of
             protein.  As a booklet elaborating on the Food Guide Pyramid
             explains, just a half cup of beans serves as a protein alternative
             for one ounce of meat.  Beans also provide many of the other
             vitamins and minerals found in meat and other flesh foods, the
             booklet points out.

             Entitled "USDA's Food Guide Pyramid," the booklet tells, too,
             exactly how much food from each food group equals a serving
             size (two cups of pasta make four servings of grains); compares
             the amount of fat in a baked potato to the amount in 14 French
             fries (the fries have 99 more fat calories); estimates how many
             calories adults should take in daily (for sedentary women, 1,600
             is often about right); and says how many teaspoons of added sugar
             are in everything from canned fruit to soda pop.  It also lists
             the sodium content for more than 20 items, gives the cuts of beef
             and pork that tend to be lean, and includes a self-assessment
             guide to see how well your diet is stacking up.

             To order the "USDA's Food Guide Pyramid," send a check or money
             order for $1.00 (US) to the Consumer Information Center,
             Department 159-Y, Pueblo, CO 81009.  Make it payable to the
             Superintendent of Documents and ask for Home and Garden Bulletin
             249.


-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
From: luis@outland.wpd.sgi.com (Luis Oleson)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Kale
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:49:15 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: outland.wpd.sgi.com

Boil water in a saucepan.  One at a time, dip the kale leaves
in the boiling water for about 5 seconds.  Remove the spines.
After that I'll either make the kale part of a green salad or
eat it plain.  I find it has plenty of flavor by itself so I
don't bother salting or lemon-juicing it.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: suzanne@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Suzanne McCaffrey)
Subject: Re: mustard: how to make?
Keywords:  mustard, water, vinegar, condiments
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:06:17 GMT

vinegar & mustard pwdr = hot mustard

water & mustard pwdr = un-hot mustard

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From: jlacey@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (james.w.lacey)
Subject: Re: Suggestions for wedding reception
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:26:42 GMT
Keywords: menu, suggestions

In article <1992Oct9.204028.26700@infonode.ingr.com> anagha@i3212.b17c.ingr.com writes:
>...
>My fiancee and I are to be married in January.  We are from India and we
>plan to hold the wedding ceremony and a reception, here in the US.
>Can you suggest what kind food is generally served on such occasions? (I have
>never been to a wedding here.) I would be very happy if someone could
>suggest possible menus and provide tips to arrange such a reception.  There
>should be no meat or alcohol involved...else my father will disown me!!
>There should be about 125 guests...  I would like everyone to really enjoy
>the food.  But it has to be vegetarian, both of us are vegetarians(not vegans).
>...

The typical American wedding reception meal consists of green salad,
white bread, chicken or roast beef :-(, baked potato[e] or mashed
potatoes, green beans or peas, wedding cake and/or ice cream desert.
Many weddings include wine, many include an "open bar" where liquor
is provided to guests, the rest often have a "cash bar" where guests
buy alcoholic drinks.

After the meal, there is usually a couple of hours of dancing.
There are a few US customs, such as the bride throwing her
bouquet, cutting the wedding cake, and such.  Some weddings can
be pretty tacky and childish... some are classy.   

You may have to shop around for a caterer that can provide vegetarian
meals... most seem to focus on the standard US fare.  Many people
will also expect liquor to be available...  If you rent a hall,
the owner may expect to make additional income from liquor sales.
You have to make the "no alcohol" stuff explicit up front.
But some civic groups and churches, that would never allow
alcohol,  may rent you their hall for a reasonable price.


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