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From: altman@sbpmt.cs.sunysb.edu (Jeff Altman)
Subject: Re: Borland C++ for OS/2 v.2.0
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:06:30 GMT

In article <54263@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt8080a@prism.gatech.EDU (Henry 'Hank' Harlan Roark III) writes:
>I know Borland is working on a C++ complier for OS/2 v.2.0.  What I want to
>know is will BC++ allow me to, after some porting from one to the other, compile
>code for MS Windoze and OS/2 v.2.0?  I know, I know, Windoze is slooooow, but
>there is a large installed base and if at all possible I would like to
>write my apps for the operating system (OS/2) and the environment (Windoze :).
>

My impression is that Borland will create a version of their Object Windows
Class Library for OS/2 which would allow very easy porting.  Otherwise, Borland
would need to develop their own version of the Windows Libraries for OS/2.
This is because the PM API is different from the Windows API.

Otherwise, you need to write your apps so that all calls to the Windows API
are encapsulated in low level functions which you will re-write to use the
PM API when you are ready to port.


>For example, I heard to port Mathematica 2.0 from Windoze to OS/2 required 
>a change in five lines of code!!!
>

Only if they were using something like the WLO.  I have heard that the porting
time for Corel Draw from Windows to PM was something on the order of 5 weeks.

>If not, what do I need in order to write apps for both?
>
>
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: ffujita@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Frank Fujita)
Subject: Re: Help Requested
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:43:57 GMT

ohoward@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Todd Howard) writes:

>I'm looking for a good review (unbiased) that sums up os2/2.0's 
                                ^^^^^^^^
>strengths and weaknesses (both promised, and if possible,
delivered).
>Does anyone know if such an article exists, and if so where?

I can't think of the possibility of such a thing.  What would an
unbiased review consist of.  Everybody has biases -- do you want
speed?  Do you want to run on an 8088?  Cost?  Application base? 
Do you like IBM?  Microsoft? Unix?  

No, an unbiased review of OS/2 is a theoretical impossibility.

Frank Fujita
From: tischer@tischer.Gwinnett.COM (Steve Tischer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: IBM OS/2 v.2.0 demo in Atlanta
Date: 11 Apr 92 03:40:37 GMT

> quite impressive. The OS/2 users group will be showing off GA next Wednesday.
> Just like in NY, LA, etc. its a matter of knowing where to be and at what
> time.
>          Tom Sorensen
> -- 
> Tom Sorensen              gt0040a@prism.gatech.edu

Hello there Tom: Where will the OS/2 user's group meeting be and when on
Wednesday?  That must be the 15th.  I went to one some months ago at the
IBM center out by Wendy Hill I think it was, but I have not been able to
find one since.  I will look later today on the IBM BBS, but if you get a
chance please shoot me a message here, or give me a call.

Thanks,

Steve Tischer

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From: rcook@grumpy.helios.nd.edu (robert cook)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: COMPUTE! gets the award for worst review
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:23:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr16.222301.7176
Reply-To: Cook.14@nd.edu (R. Kelley Cook)
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame

Did anyone see COMPUTE!s May issue...the one that has "Windows 3.1-Upgrade
of the Year!" on the cover.  In it's editorial, it flat out states Windows
3.0 killed OS/2, so why did IBM bother upgrading it.  Then there is not
another mention of it in the magazine!  This makes even PC Mag & Infoworld
look great.

-- 
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Univ. of Notre Dame     The future for Intel computers arrived March 31!
Physics Dept.            Long Live the new OS/2!  Time to close the Windows! 
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: hacker@cco.caltech.edu (Jonathan Bruce Hacker)
Subject: Re: Norton desktop on OS/2-WIN shell?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 05:48:11 GMT

MXD118@psuvm.psu.edu (Spiro the Spiny Goldfish) writes:


>This is not really an undelete facility like you would see in Norton.  It
>operates more like the Macintosh trashcan - basically if you have it turned
>on,  your deleted files are just copied to a directory and only junked either
>when you "empty" it,  or when it runs out of space.

In a multi-tasking OS like unix (and presumably OS/2) undeleting
a file like you would see in Norton is almost impossible because
other running apps tend to overwrite the data very quickly.  The
only solution is the trashcan approach I think.

-- 
Jon Hacker
Caltech, Pasadena CA
hacker@tumbler-ridge.caltech.edu
From: ballard@ucs.ubc.ca (Alan Ballard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Ready for prime time? (Was Re: OS/2 musings)
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:12:52 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada

In <1992Apr14.160607.19520@acs.ucalgary.ca> bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens) writes:

>The real issue is, is the GA release really
>ready for prime time?  From what I read here, it seems to me
>that most of the bugs in WPS in the LA are still there in
>the GA (plus a few new ones?).

Not true at all.  MOST of the bugs from LA are fixed.  There are still
a few there (especially in the Drives object), and maybe a few new
ones. And they haven't done anything about any of the "misfeatures" of
WPS -- there are a number of things that some of us think they should
change. 

But GA is MUCH MUCH better than LA.  Not perfect, but well worth the
delay. I think IBM called this one right... a further delay to fix
more bugs, complete the seeamless drivers, etc., would have been a misktake.


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From: melling@cs.psu.edu (Michael D Mellinger)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: preemptive multi-tasking
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:09:21 GMT
Organization: Penn State Computer Science


In article <1992Apr15.005912.22809@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> mlevis@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Mike Levis) writes:

   Time-sliced multi-tasking has NOTHING to do with preemption.
   In fact there are several forms of time-sliced multi-tasking
   (as opposed to Shortest Job First, or First In First Out
   multi-tasking).  Here are the real facts:

Hmmm.  I thought that it was generally agreed that there are two types
of multitasking: cooperative and preemptive.  In cooperative
multitasking one process, usually the foreground, gets the CPU and can
hold it for as long as it chooses.  In a preemptive system, a process
has no control (little control?  What do real time systems do?) over
who gets scheduled.  When a process is waiting for the disk, or other
device, it seems natural that another process would get the CPU,
otherwise it will have to busy wait.  I think that just having the
ability to schedule a process for a time slice then "preempt it" after
its time is up qualifies as preemptive multitasking.

   Notice that without pre-emption, process 1 uses CPU time even
   thought it is not using the CPU (it is waiting for the comm port).
   Notice that with pre-emption, process 1 does not use CPU time since
   it is in the waiting queue, not ready queue.  Also, process 2 runs
   faster since it gets the CPU to itself!

This is irrelvant.  The guy from Oracle was right.

-Mike
From: d88-pfo@tukur.nada.kth.se (Peter Forsberg)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Installation
Date: 13 Apr 92 08:36:00 GMT
	<1992Apr9.110438@masg1.epfl.ch>
	<"barnacle.e.764:09.03.92.16.29.04"@clarkson.edu>
	<1992Apr9.212413@masg1.epfl.ch>
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

In article <1992Apr9.212413@masg1.epfl.ch> gulcu@masg1.epfl.ch (Ceki Gulcu) writes:
   A Billy G. would say: "This is good and bad news". Our network is NFS (TCP/IP)
   based. Thus, the NETBIOS redirection code would not work. Would it be possible
   to boot from the standard diskettes mount the NFS drive and continue installation
   from there? I am sure this is would be possible if the installation was based on 
   a modifiable script.

It would most probably work. Of course, you'd have to modify the boot
diskettes yourself, and replace the SRVIFS stuff with the NFS stuff. As I 
recall it, all the installation program requires to install is a drive letter
and a script file (and yes, it is modifiable). IBM is about to release a 
"redbook" about LAN install of OS/2. I even think that the redbooks are
about to get a whole lot easier to get hold of in yhe future...:-)

Peter
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: itreleav@fraser.sfu.ca (Ian Anthony Treleaven)
Subject: Re: TAME under OS/2?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:02:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.202832.11076@rice.edu>
 abuhr@owlnet.rice.edu (Aaron M. Buhr) writes:
>
>      Does anyone know if the multitasking aid TAME will work under OS/2,
>and if so, will it help?  For those that don't know, TAME monitors DOS program
>activity and senses when the program is in an idle loop and switches to the
>next task.  At the moment, I'm just curious, 'cause I still can't find OS/2
>2.0 anywhere (and I don't like to wait 4-6 weeks for orders).  Thanks in 
>advance.

Yes, I used TAME a few times until I realized that the DOS VDM setting
IDLE_SENSITIVITY does the same thing.  I have the sensitivity on my DOS
shell turned down to 1 and haven't had any problems.  It does wonders for
DOS editors and programming environments (such as the Borland ones that poll
constantly).


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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: itreleav@fraser.sfu.ca (Ian Anthony Treleaven)
Subject: Re: Benefits of OS/2?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 05:04:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.225714.63986@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> 
ry01@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT YUNG) writes:
>
>Can't I have a clock, screen saver, keyboard locker, and a ton of other TSR's
>running in Dos to serve the same purpose???
>

Sure, if all you want to do is watch them run.  There wont be any memory
left to run any applications in what's left of your 640K :-)  What a mess
too, with everyone redirecting system interrupt vectors all over the place.


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From: KENKAHN@PKSMRVM.VNET.IBM.COM (Ken Kahn)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Boot Manager
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:24:24 GMT
Organization: Staff of IBM Fellow - NetWork Computing

In <1992Apr12.115220.2800@donau.et.tudelft.nl> Anto Daryanto writes:
>Can I install Boot Manager on my second harddisk ?
>

No, it must go on your first hard drive, though it can go anywhere you want
it; i.e. it doesn't have to be the first partition.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Trident... The saga continues...
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:35:20 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

I have ordered my 486/50 Local Bus system now...it will have an S3 based
local bus video card which I plan to run in 1024x768x256 mode.  My question
is this:  when in this SVGA mode under OS/2, is the default system font
scaled up so it just as large onscreen as the font is on a 640x480 standard
VGA screen?  I want to be able to have a 640x480 window open in which
an app (say Word for Windows 2.0) is running, but still have 3/4 of the
desktop displaying in the background to run other apps and such.  Is this
an option?  Or a standard?

Also, has anyone heard about drivers forthcoming for these S3 local bus
cards and OS/2?  The card has the TSENG4000 chipset on it...so can I use
SVGA drivers for a standard TSENG chipset until the drivers that use
the accelerator come out?  Or will I be stuck in 640x480 and this big
font (which I dislike)?

						- Al
From: mmtl@hobson.cc.flinders.edu.au (T.Lampre)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: v2.0 pricing in Australia
Date: 9 Apr 92 06:15:08 GMT
Organization: Flinders University

In article <Gary.Woodman.315@anu.edu.au> Gary.Woodman@anu.edu.au (Gary Woodman) writes:

[deleted]
>
>Note that it costs the same to upgrade DOS as to upgrade 1.x in Australia;
>this is a bit of a nasty surprise to many (well, a few Aussies). I'm now 
>very glad I didn't buy a copy of 1.3 for my own use!
>

[more deleted]

This isn't the case. I rang IBM to enquire about my 1.3 upgrade and
they said that all copies bought prior to Dec 31, 1991 can be upgraded
for free. I have done this through a local reseller by providing my
proof of license and invoice showing the purchase date. I expect my
copy to arrive in a couple of weeks.

I would urge any Australian users of 1.x to enquire first before
handing over any money.

--
Trevor Lampre
MIS Unit
Flinders University of South Australia
From: ian@vnet.ibm.com (Ian Stirling)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 12:18:09 BST
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: i don't like it!!
Reply-To: ian@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM UK Laboratories Ltd, Hursley, England
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: UReply 3.0

In <1992Apr9.1480.11660@dosgate> "bradley grigor" <bradley.grigor@canrem.com> writes:
>I have seen OS/2 2.0 GA and I'm not impressed.  How can I get rid
>of the Workplace Shell??  I _really_ don't like it.  Does OS/2
>2.0 include the original 1.3 PMSHELL somewhere?  As much as I
>hate to say it, Windows 3 (and OS/2 1.3 for that matter) is
>aesthetically much nicer and a darn site easier to use.  This is
>going to take A LOT of getting used to.
>
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My first reaction when I received the OS/2 beta which first had WPS in
it was that I hated it.  So did lots of other people.  I even wrote to
the Blue Ninja and told him so.  But, like nearly everybody else, I
found that it is not a "monster".

Give it a couple of days and you will definitely adjust your opinion.
I can almost guarantee it :-)

Cheers,
Ian Stirling                      Internet: ian@vnet.ibm.com
CICS/ESA Systems Facilities         Bitnet: ian at vnet
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: COMx incantations?  (x!=1 && x!=2)
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 02:30:50 GMT

In article <#svj4yh.rcain@netcom.com> rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:
>What on earth do you do if your modem is on com3, irq7 at address 3e8.
>Yes I have RTFM and TFM says to selectively install.  I knew that
>would be a joke but wanted to see what it would do.  It started me
>at diskette 5, had me insert all the rest and hung on disk 14. Cool.

Someone offered the suggestion that Windows fails this test, too.

However, that's no excuse.  I agree.  It should be documented, and
should go into the next CSD to patch up the online help.
-- 
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Univ. of Chicago  60637  netmail from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET.
From: goldman@mbcl.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: swap disks for os/2
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:08:04 GMT
Distribution: usa

.dos/windows vs os/2 comparison deleted.

> And think of it this way - the only other OS for 386's with preemptive
> multitasking and DOS boxes is Unix.  Expect to give up 70MB of disk +
> a swap device disk VOLUME (not swap file, swap volume) 
Actually, I was planning on creating a swap volume when I go to os/2 2.0.
My disk tends to be full & I want to make sure that the swap space is
contiguous.  Anybody got any comments on the advisability of this?

.. more unix stuff deleted..

		Adrian
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: smsmith@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M Smith)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.0 Wish List -- Help Wanted
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:24:18 GMT

Can't answer most of your questions, but here's a few...

>  Windows always open first time same size -- usually far too big for
>  their contents.

I am certain there is a setting for this.  I saw an IBM rep quickly
"save" the starting position of a particular app's window last week
when we were trying to get the app to open in a particular place in
the Work Place Shell.

>  Wish there was a short cut for OPEN-SETTINGS.

You're using your right mouse button to invoke the item's popup
menu, right?

>  Wish there was a way to quickly see file details for one file.

Here's a neat trick that Timothy Sipples told me: you can drag your
most commonly used directories (or even *groups* of directories)
from your drive icon(s) to the desktop and shadow them!  Thus you
can have one large HPFS volume, but have it divided into smaller
pseudo-logical drives by use of these shadows on the desktop. :-)
This should make getting to a file a lot quicker.

Here's another thought: if you have enough ram, just keep the drive
tree/list opened, and put it off to the right of your desktop (make
your desktop scrollable).  Then when you need to do some file viewing
or manipulation, you can just quickly scroll the desktop.

>  Wish there was a way to see total space used by all files in a
>  directory and total space used by all files in all subdirectories.

Hmmm.  OS/2 1.3 does this.  Have you overlooked something?

>  Wish there was a way (maybe there is) to change the default for OPEN
>  of a drive or directory from ICON VIEW to TREE VIEW or DETAILS VIEW.

Yes, there's a way.  Try it from the Templates folder (as I recall--
could be wrong). 

>  Wish there was a way to save various desktop configurations and recall
>  them.

I'm pretty sure you can save the position of individual windows *and*
the whole desktop.  OS/2 should restore the windows to the way you
had them every time you shutdown and then reboot.  Isn't there some
option for saving the desktop from the desktop's own menu?  (Try
clicking the right mouse button on the desktop and look through the
options.)

>  Wish there was a way to convert Windows icons.

You need the icon converter program--I think its location was posted
in another post already.

Sorry if I'm way off the mark on any of these.

Steve Smith (the OS/2 bunny: I keep waiting, and waiting, and waiting [for GA])
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: lemieux@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (LEMIEUX  GUY GERARD)
Subject: Re: ati drivers
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Distribution: comp
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 06:44:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.024429.12533@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <199213.1480.12218@dosgate> "stephen dawson" <stephen.dawson@canrem.com> writes:
>>ATI has posted OS/2 drivers to their BBS 416-756-4591.
>>That is the good news.
>>The bad news is that they are only 800x600x16 and 1024x768x16.
>>No 256 colout.
>
>Can someone get these to the Internet?  My phone bill was a bit steep
>last month.  :-)

Note that the drivers are specifically for OS/2 1.1, 1.2, 1.21 and 1.3

WARNING:  Before you start calling up the ATI BBS, note that the drivers
          DO NOT WORK WELL WITH OS/2 2.0 beta 6.304.  I do not have GA yet
          and so cannot say the same for it.

The 1024x768 driver:
    When using 4OS2 in a window, if I did a DIR and caused it to scroll
    and any colours were written to the screen, the window got messed up
    and some of the window information is displayed outside of the borders
    on the top of the screen.  It seems like a memory bank switching or
    offset computation problem.  Also, exploding windows and Klondike are
    a little slow (I have an i486-33 with an ATI VGA Wonder Plus 512k OEM
    card--XL may be slightly faster, but not much).

The 800x600 driver:
    This is unusable because as soon as I opened a DOS Window OR Full Screen
    box my screen sync went all wild.  Otherwise it seems about as stable
    as the ATI display driver written by ???? that is on hobbes.nmsu.edu.
    There are only 2 fonts available for text windows though:  8x8 and 14x8.

I don't remember what happened  in 1024 when I opened a DOS session.
The 800x600 problem may not be present if you own a true multisync
monitor... I am not so fortunate (I have am Aamazing 8486TX 1024x768 ni).

The drivers DO look in the VGA card onboard EEPROM to steal the monitor
type so the driver knows which frequencies to use to drive your card.
I still could not get 800x600 working.

I will place the drivers on hobbes.nmsu.edu (if it lets me.. I have never
uploaded via ftp before).  If demand exists, I will try to get it posted
to comp.binaries.os2.
    
>Well done ATI.  Now get the 256 color drivers done.  :-)

Na, let's get some good solid OS/2 2.0 drivers out first.

Disclaimer:  I do not work for ATI, I am an (impatient but) very
             satisfied customer.

Guy Lemieux
lemieux@ecf.toronto.edu
From: mbarkah@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Ade Barkah)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: the 16550 and Hamilton C shell?
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:30:41 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines


  menees@utkvx4.utk.edu (Menees, Bill) writes:
> 
>         Would someone tell me what the Hamilton C shell is?  Is it a Unix-
> like shell that runs under OS/2?  If so, is there a 32-bit 2.0 version in 
> the works?  Is it shareware or "regular-ware"?  (Is there a better term than
> "regular-ware" for non-shareware and non-freeware software?)
>
          I do believe that the Hamilton C shell is a commercial 
application. Yes, it is a c-shell (Unix-like) for OS/2.


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