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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:07:17 GMT

In article <jbickers.0l67@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>Quoted from <ByuyJ7.G5H@news.iastate.edu> by barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett):
>
>> more quickly than when funding for R&D at Commodore was far higher.  Again,
>> what has changed all of a sudden that this is possible?
>
>    Maybe CBM used to employ a fool like you, who has since been
>    replaced with this Lewis chap.

   Call me a fool if you want, but I would not have put IDE into a high-end
over-$3000 computer like the A4000.

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From: dnavas@oracle.uucp (David Navas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Educational Software/CDTV
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:21:22 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
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              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Dec12.163212.17469@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>There are many existing Amiga programs which provide very little or no
>support for the page-movement keys because the programmers assume that
>everyone wants to use the mouse for everything.  The Amiga User Interface
>Style Guide recommends the use of key equivalents, but not the Pg Up
>and Pg Dn keys.  Instead, they recommend the arrow key and shifted arrow
>keys for such things.  I do not agree with this and cannot understand
>why they would do such a thing.  Being different just for the sake of
>being different is not always a good thing.

The basic problem is not "being different", it has to do with a matter of
programming.  There AREN'T any "PgUp/PgDn" keys on the Amiga!  There are,
however, suggested keyboard mappings for such keys via the keypad.

So use those all the time?  Well, there's no OS support for tracking the
state of the Num-Lock key (I don't think), and there's no LED for that key
either, so, at least on the basic Amiga keyboard there's a lot of effort
involved keeping track of the NumLock state, and that state can't be shared
system wide anyway!  It would be perfectly possible to have NumLock engaged
for your wordprocessor, but not your spreadsheet.  This is very confusing.

In order to support those keys correctly, an additional LED needs to be
installed to track NumLock and OS support has to go into Intuition to
track the NumLock state internally....

What is confusing is the difference between SHIFT-Arrow within a gadget
and SHIFT-Arrow within a document....  I rather like the Alt/Shift-Arrow
combinations, they're easy for me to hit, less distance for my hand to travel,
and actually make sense (I want to move my cursor...).  I prefer the Alt/Shift
mappings of Turbotext to anything else and wish that uEmacs and Intuition
gadgets would change their behaviour to support a little consitency....

David C. Navas						dnavas@oracle.com
Working for, but not speaking on behalf of, Oracle Corp.
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From: ovep@kih.no (Ove Tro)
Subject: Re: NO MORE *&#*$(^*& FEMALE BIMBO ADS!!!!!!!!
Organization: Kongsberg Ingeniorhogskole
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:16:41 GMT

Is this comp.sys.amiga.drugs.weapons.violence.politics or what ??
I will try to understand what this thread does in c.s.a.advocacy :

In article <BzAB6x.L30@starnine.com>, mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) writes:
|> 
|> Sorry, guys, but the US is still the best.  There is more opportunity
|> here than in any other place and ESPECIALLY for minorities.
|> 
Yes, Amiga owners are a minority, but...

|> No, the US is the only superpower, and as we deal with future complex
|> problems, like 3rd-world countries trying to aquire significant
|> nuclear stockpiles, the role this country plays will become ever more
|> important.
Yes, make Microsoft state that no machine using MS-DOS are allowed
to be used to develop nuclear devices, like Commodore did with the Amiga.
THAT will stop them !!

|> And we are a world leader.  In every front.  Others do great in some
|> areas, we do great in all, 
<more blah-blah deleted>
OH YESS !!!
The Amiga was made in USA, and it is truly a world leader, you are right!!
That IS what you meant, isn't it??  That's what most other people
posting to this group go on and on about. (Or opposite)
NOT whether you should be able to buy an Uzi togther with your lunch.
(Of course *I* always keeps a sawed-off shotgun by my bed so I can blow
the head off anyone who tries to break in and steal my Amiga !!!)
(Just kidding, hope you understood that, Mike...)

So Mike, please move this discussion, or stop it !
Or else I will kill you!  (With the mighty Author-kill button
on my newsreader.)  For all I know, I might be the only one
still reading this subject.... (NO MORE *&#*$(^*& FEMALE BIMBO ADS!!!!!!!)

Bye !!

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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 10:14:34 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <BzFGoF.372@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> <71987@cup.portal.com>
  <BzIA53.Itn@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>

>>Perhaps when they become *really* advanced, there will be dozens and
>>dozens of busses to choose from.
>
>What's wrong with that?

Because to get the benefits of any bus, each peripheral wou

  As long as my software will work with them
>when I update my computer, and I can take my peripherals with me (which
>I will be able to if I choose my new bus properly) I see no problem
>with having a pile of different buses.  It inspires competition.
>Unfortunately it's a little confusing for the new user, but for an old
>pro, it's good to have a choice and have competition.
>
>>Oddly enough, OS/2 2.0 does that to me me a whole lot more than AmigaDOS,
>>and my OS/2 machine has 8M of RAM and 31M of swap space. I'm not
>>sure what that means. But you've got to admit, its interesting.
>
>You have a 31 MB swap file?  That's a bug.
>
>>But its certainly due to their lack of popularity rather than any
>>architectural advantages.
>
>As someone pointed out to me in the OS/2-Windows debate...popularity IS
>an architectural advantage.  I know you meant technical advantages, but
>they have to be weighed side by side with productivity advantages,
>economic advantages etc.
>

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
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From: fnf@fishpond.uucp (Fred Fish)
Subject: Re: Amiga Unix/A4000
Organization: Amiga Library Distribution Services
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:32:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.042142.17763@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>The current release will not run on the '040, but an update is hopefully in
>the works.

Why would you have reason to hope that?  As far as I know there is no
official support within CBM for any more UNIX development.  There are
a few people left around in CBM that know enough about UNIX to hack at
it in their spare time or whatever time they can squeeze from other
projects without anyone noticing, but there is no guarantee that even
if they get something running that CBM will release it.  With SVR4.2
now available for other platforms (Amiga UNIX is an SVR4.0 base), unless
you already have an Amiga that you'd like to run UNIX on, you're better
off buying a cheap 50Mz+ 486 system for your UNIX platform.

-Fred




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From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: A1200 v Clones - just the figures please
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:11:26 GMT

>- 24-bit palette [most PCs bought for the home have 18-bit VGA/SVGA  
>palettes],

What video card has an 18 bit palette?  By palette, I'm assuming you
mean the number of possible colour choices, not the number at one
time.
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  OS/2 vs Win NT (was: 4 Colour Interfaces : -( )
Distribution: world
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:04:21 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Dec12.210131.13639@leland.Stanford.EDU> Evan J. Torrie <torrie@cs.stanford.edu> writes:
>In article <root.037p@rkamiga.UUCP> Rick Kelly, root@rkamiga.UUCP writes:
>>>Rick Kelly (root@rkamiga.UUCP) wrote:
>>>:
>>>: 1. NT can only be ported to little endian byte ordered machines.  This
>>>:    includes Intel, Alpha, and Mips in "spim" mode.  And leaves out all
>>>:    of the other RISC processors and the 68k.
>>
>>Evidently the internals of the kernel depend on it.  They weren't
>flexible
>>enough whem writing the code.  Remember, one of the architects of NT was
>>also an architect of VMS, another little-endian OS.
>
>  Well, I still find this hard to believe, especially when there have 
>been very strong rumours that Microsoft has NT running on Macintoshes 
>in Redmond, not to mention the fact that Gates has publicly stated that 
>they will have NT running on every RISC processor by 1995.
>  Where did you get this information that NT can only be ported to little 
>endian byte ordered machines.

Comp.arch, comp.sys.intel, and comp.os.os2.advocacy.  It may sound funny,
but there are a lot of people posting from Microsoft in these groups, and
no one has denied it.

At this point in time, Microsoft will say anything to sell NT, and to slow
down sales of OS/2.

I have some other info, but I can't repeat it here.

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From: cs_e445@ceres (Vlod Kalicun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: How does this HAM kludge work?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 13:29:33 GMT
Organization: Kingston University
Distribution: inet
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mpoutane@niksula.hut.fi (Matti Samuli Poutanen) writes:
: 
: Actually it's not very complicated. HAM stands for Hold And Modify. While
: drawing the scanline, you will be able to modify one colour component,
: red/green/blue, while holding the other two from the previous pixel. Or you
: may pick a totally full colour from a limited palette. Older Amiga use 6-bit
: HAM which works like this:
: 
: 	6-bit pixel:
: 
: 		bits 6,5	lower nybble (value 0-15)
: 
: 		     00		Pick palette entry 0-15
: 		     01		Modify Red, Hold G & B
: 		     10		Modify Blue, Hold R & G
: 		     11		Modify Green, Hold R & B
: 
: I remember that the high nibble values 1,2,3 did not choose R,G,B, respectively.
: They were in a different order. I wonder why? There might be other complications.
: I'm too lazy to pick up the Hardware Manual and check it. It's not important,
: that's how HAM works in principle.
: 
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Have you any idea how HAM8 works? I've heard reports that there isn't any
HAM fringing and was curious how this might have been acomplished.

Regards..

Vlod
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From: papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: Comdex/Quicktime released for the PC
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:36:13 GMT

>Anyway, even if it accomplished them at full speed, the scaling and dithering
>still wouldn't make it more than an anim player -- albeit a quite sophisticated
>one. There's got to be more to it than that, but what?

A cross platform standard that allows you to paste graphics into any
program, even one that has no conception of the fact that someone might
someday want to paste a graphic.  Like for instance a mail program.  I
think that's pretty neat.
From: jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jake Rose)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Screenshots: Results:
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:43:19 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>REgarding the layouts - the WB seems rather simplistic, but agreeable.  The
>scrollbars aren't to my liking, still, I prefer the scroll buttons
>to be on top AND bottom.  The WB didn't seem as refined as Windows or esp.
>OS/2 WPS, but that's my opinion.  I liked Skip's inclusion of MY
>desktops in one of Skip's shots.  Cute. :)
>least 16 colors to pronounce it 'awful' again.

My screen's only 3 bitplanes deep, and I like it fine.

>-Dan

>Dan Stephenson                                                das9674@usl.edu  
>"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while
>we lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
>                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival  
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:33:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.203553.16745@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu
(Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>Gosh, now if only I knew someone with WB2 I could actually *use*. The Amiga1000
>with WB1.3 should be here in a few days...I don't plan to comment so much on
>the GUI as I will the great multitasking everyone talks about.  I hope
>to be pleasantly surprised.

You're going to use a circa 1985 A1000 as a yardstick? Nice machine, but
find something a little more contemporary. It will not likely have a hard
drive, the screen will be low-resolution, 1.3 is butt-ugly and 2.5 years out of
date, but then again, it will multitask with only 512k.

Long live the keyboard garage!

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:59:43 GMT

>I'll bet the comment referred to the fact that Commodore is leading the
>damn way and the other folks are just now waking up.  I can remember when
>IBM said you didn't need color or gfx for computers because all the "real"
>applications were text based. 

At the time they were right.  At the time all of the software that
sold..or sold hardware, were text based.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Why my Amiga is gone
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 04:39:57 GMT

In article <torrie.724104520@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> torrie@cs.stanford.edu
(Evan Torrie) writes:

>>Pick up any trade journal and compare the revenues generated in the personal
>>computer industry in the last fiscal year. Compare this to a previous annual
>>growth rate of 13%. 

>  There's a difference between revenues and unit shipments.

True, but as we've discussed before, it is profitability which ultimately
dictates the success or failure of an enterprise. Many companies seem to have
believed that the growth rate would sustain itself, while it was only a
matter of time before it levelled off. In the meantime, several companies
shipping relatively large volumes of machines are finding the returns to be
quite limited. Restricting yourself to the domestic market is not a
productive strategy, given the economic climate and degree of competition.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: wendell@medsys.rn.com (Wendell Dingus)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee
Date: 19 Dec 1992 00:19:21 GMT

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:

.. deleted ..

>This design uses one major chip and a tiny amount of discrete logic (which
>Commodore no doubt incorporated in some gate array somewhere).  This design
>has been available for a long time, offers very good performance with
>standard SCSI drives, and is **CHEAP**.

>   In other words, going from IDE to SCSI II will cost far more people less
>money than going from SCSI to SCSI II.  A lot of people will be purchasing
>this SCSI II card not to get the increased performance that it provides only
>with expensive SCSI II hard drives, but to get the flexibility that SCSI 
>would have provided.  Lots of people will be buying the A3090 SCSI II card and
>hanging tape drives, floptical drives, CD-ROM drives, or slower SCSI hard
>drives off of it.  Senseless.

>---
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------

Marc, the point you're missing (so what's new?) is this: SCSI-I is now
old news. I have an A3000 with it's built-in SCSI and a Seagate SCSI
drive. This approach is *fast*, but with an A4000 I want !FAST!...
Understand? I'd much rather buy SCSI-II Fast/Wide on a card later,
than have to have waited for it to have been incorporated onto the
4000. Lots of people will disagree, but I'm one of the few who will
buy a faster SCSI-II drive and want to see a bit of performance out
of it. Now that the Power-Up deal is official, guess that 4000 will 
be in my hands sooner than I expected ;-)


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From: jcp@trident.usacs.rutgers.edu (Jonathan Petersen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Comic books =)
Date: 19 Dec 92 18:13:26 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

>>Anyone interested in a comic book sale?

If anyone is, they should look at rec.arts.comics.marketplace, instead of one
of the comp.sys.amiga groups.

-jak
From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 or NOT
Date: 20 Dec 1992 01:28:01 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

In article <10280@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>I beg to differ. I learnt computing on some (wannabe) mainframes, but the
>first micro I really used and loved was a PET. I had the chance to at least
>try a bunch of others and also do real work on a few different ones, but
>I always returned to my Commodore one with big relief. And that was long
>before I joined the company.

Wow, kiddies, wasn't that a fun story?  Now, I know that one from
somewhere...  ;)

Actually, I'm curious:  Did the PET have graphics, or was it text
only?  I don't remember the PET.  (I'm a youngin' though...)  I just
have vivid memories of being very young and staying up far too late
playing Bard's Tale II.  I finished BTII, but the habit of staying up
far too late seems to have stuck in me.  Guess that's why I'm such
good EE material.  ;)

Greg

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.programmer
From: rge@helix.nih.gov (roger erickson)
Subject: arp
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:51:13 GMT

Can someone email me instructions to find a recent update of arp.library and 
XPR?  I need these to run VLT under 2.0
		many thanks
From: kar5@po.CWRU.Edu (Kevin A. Roll)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Jan'93 AmigaWorld
Date: 19 Dec 1992 22:57:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: kar5@po.CWRU.Edu (Kevin A. Roll)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) says:

How coincidental, last night I bought (1) the Jan issue of Amazing/Amiga
and (2) Air Support by Psygnosis...

>I decided to pick up the latest AmigaWorld because of my interest in the
>A1200--even though AW's review of the A4000 was lame.  I wish they would
>at least show some internal shots of the new systems.

See (1) above. There's a fair close-up of the guts on p. 50.

>There are some other interesting things in this issue:
>Can GFX-CAD 3000 read/write AutoCAD files?

Call Grafx at (716) 782-2468.

>Really, how hard could Psygnosis' Air Support be?  AW makes it sound
>impossible, and with a Psygnosis game this may be true.

Pretty damn hard. After staying up 'till 4:30 AM I've passed the first 14
training missions. The really annoying thing is that the manual says 
absolutely nothing about the missions and most of the time you have to
figure out yourself what the hell you're supposed to do.
The graphics are pretty cool, though.

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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Personal Attacks and Less Virulent Sorts of Things
Distribution: world
Date: 12 Dec 92 04:04:04 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <Paula_Lieberman.07h4@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
>comment to Rick Kelly:  And maybe I just don't particularly like quoting
>while on-line.  I've done it to limited extents on BBSes with software less
>clumsy for the antiquated term program I'm using than DLG is for quoting,
>but I don't like seeing infinite amounts of rehash of rehash scrolling
>past.....  As for being a computing professional and things like USENET --
>I don't get paid for reading/posting on Usenet.  Do you?  I don't like
>being attacked, either....  which leads to --

The idea is to use selective quoting to continue the continuity of the
thread.

This system, an Amiga, is in my home, and uses AmigaUUCP and other 
software to receive the Amiga groups.  It is a registered site in
the UUCP maps.  I also have a UNIX box, which gets the rest of my
newsfeed.  I am a self-employed consultant, and I don't get paid
for using news.

>I think it was mike seifert who accuses me of being on something illegal
>while posting.  That;s -libel- and in the line of work I used to be in,
>being on illegal pharmaeuticals is grounds for immmediate, prejudicial
>dismissal. I DO NOT smoke marijuana, eat hash brownies, smoke crack, snort
>cocaine, etc., etc., and consider t livel 
>libelous [line noise above]  for someone who has never met me, etc. etc.,
[ and more deleted ]

The nature of usenet is such that you would never be able to prove that
Mike Seifert said anything at all about your reputation.  The only
conclusive evidence would be a photograph of him actually posting what
you saw here, including screen shots.

Forging usenet postings is extremely easy.

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