HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: foxen@netcom.com (Foxen)
Subject: Re: Where is FurryMUCK?
Organization: The Church of the Holy Fur of Ilura
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:49:19 GMT

Marc Stephens <marc r stephens@um.cc.umich.edu> writes:
>I have been unable to connect to FurryMUCK for about a week now, what
>gives?

Furry's old machine at highlandpark.rest.ri.cmu.edu was transferred to
another project without warning about a week ago.  Currently, Furry resides
where the test copy of the server used to:  hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu 8888
This will continue until we get a new site, or Chris kicks us off his
machine.  }=)

	- Foxen/Revar

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Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
From: noel@umbc2.umbc.edu
Subject: Hey Joel
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:48:58 GMT

	You got to remember that about 99% of the TinySex you see (kinky or 
otherwise) is CONSENTUAL.  That means both parties agree to it or at least will 
tolerate it.
	Personally I find hte idea of vampirism and the concept of eating 
another sentient being mwhole/alive far more revolting than the act of which 
you complained.  But to each his own...
	Sure there are a lot of people running around on furry acting in 
manners that would probably raise more than a few eyebrows in RL.  But some 
people see Mu*ing as an escape from an otherwise mundane life.  Its a chance to 
get away from themselves and be someone else, or amplify something way deep 
inside them.
	Joel, *NOBODY* put a gun to your head and told you to read those logs 
or get on mucks.  You do it becuase you want to, and if you are going to 
complain about other's behavior.  Please go away and leave everyone else alone.
From: guest@sg1.chem.upenn.edu (Guest Account)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: margot
Date: 13 Oct 92 07:15:36 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Show(#2405FL)
Margot (Today at 3:03:05PM) -- I've screwed everything up, haven't I? You
 don't want to talk to me. Ronni doesn't want to see me. WhiteFire hates me
 for God only knows what reason. Is this what happens over a character on a
 game? I thought you were more than that. I thought Ronni was more than that.
 I thought *I* was more than that.
Done.
From: kinomon@glia.biostr.washington.edu (WhiteFire)
Subject: TS (Was: Re: tinysex logs and tinygolden showers (ghack))
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:45:24 GMT

In <Bw5DIp.G2v@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> mwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Bill The Cat) writes:
[ Lots of stuff deleted. ]
>it gets routed to him... don't burn VT's drives with your BS about tiny*sex.
>TS is for losers who can't get a date. 

Not true, of course. As someone who is happly living with their SO and
periodicaly sleeps with a few of his friends, I am hardly lacking for a 
RL sex life. Its probably more entertaining than yours, no doubt.

(So what am I doing here? Hell if I know. I am a masochist, that might
explain it. Whip me beat me make me read r.g.m.*)

In any event I happen to enjoy TS both to experiment with things I have
yet to do RL and also as an expression between me and a lover who may happen
to be on the other coast at the time.

But I suppose experimentation and such expression are beond you.
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
From: spc55721@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (the Shadowlurker)
Subject: Re: tinyspying
Disclaimer: This article may self destruct if exposed to flames.
Reply-To: spc55721@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 06:00:00 GMT

jkale@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Kale) writes:

>However, I still know for a fact
>that there were wizards spying on me and a few other people.  One
>conversation was repeated in almost verbatim to me.  Not funny.  I think
>that wizards should have scruples.  There are maybe 2 wizards on NewDay
>that I know are above such a thing, however, the others are not.

As a wizard on NewDay, I would like to know which two wizards you regard so
highly.  I do, on occasion, set myself dark so I can idle in a room while
there are other wizzes online.  I don't spy on other people while I'm dark.

jfurr@vtssi.vt.EDU (Joel Furr) writes:
>When we log onto NewDay, we wizards are frequently deluged with mail and
>immediate requests for help.  Thus we set ourselves dark so we don't show up
>in the logged-in list or the wizard list until we've had a chance to dig
>ourselves out from under the mail.  If someone runs into us in the meantime it
>sure might look like we're tinyspying, but until such time as someone programs
>>in a "don't bug me" prop into our wizard program, setting yourself dark is 
>about the only way to have freedom to wade through mail without having all the
>>players who are logged in right then start paging you demanding help RIGHT
>THEN.  :)

Being one of the five 'active' wizards on NewDay means having to deal with that
kind of stuff.  And setting your wizard title to 'God of Building' or something
to that effect only makes it worse, even though it is the truth.
If you'd rather not receive pages, set yourself haven.  If you'd rather not
engage in conversation with someone who comes by, be somewhat rude and tell
them that you're busy.

When the machine NewDay runs on comes back online after maintenance today
I'll put in a request for the 'off-duty' message for the wizards list.  Or
maybe just add that feature myself.

All of the above are IMHO, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of
any other characters or wizards on NewDay.

-- 
the Shadowlurker      "Lucky" Steven P. Calica      <spc55721@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
From: ambar@cygnus.com (Jean Marie Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: tinysex logs and tinygolden showers (ghack)
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:30:22 GMT
Organization: Redheads Anonymous
In-reply-to: jfurr@vtssi.vt.edu's message of 14 Oct 1992 12:55:27 -0500

In article <9210141753.AA19785@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> jfurr@vtssi.vt.edu (Joel Furr) writes:

   PISSING ON each other?  Ghack.  Serious ghack.

   Jfurr awaits the inevitable death threats for expressing this point of view.

Nah.  I think r.g.m.t is about death-threated-out.  Try alt.sex.bondage,
for people who take this sort of thing seriously.

				AMBAR

(Who plays Furry, Space Madness, AND Pern, and doesn't apologize for
being into bondage RL either.)
From: devin@frodo.Colorado.EDU (Sonja Orlavski)
Subject: Re: EarthSea
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:57:28 GMT

Matt Mead (mmead@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:
: 
:     Anyone know of a MUCK or whatever that is based on the them of
: EarthSea from Ursula K. Leguin's EarthSea trilogy?  Someone on the net
: mentioned one to me in the recent past, but I can't remember who or where
: they said it was.....adthanksvance

Nope, but Crossroads (UnterMUD, tsalmoth.colorado.edu 6565) has the
Mage School from EarthSea.  At least, I'm working on that Mage School.

			-D

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"It's being both that's a bitch."                                      --\--- /
"I wanted to take my brain to hell and back and see what I had left."  \  \ //
"This howling in the distance, it's a captivating sound.                \  \/
        Can't tell if it's ecstasy or pain..."  -DW                      \/
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
From: is297219@umbc2.umbc.edu
Subject: RE: those damn logs
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:25:54 GMT

	Joel,
	
	I *did* read the log in question, the act that you mention is less than 
a dozen poses and is BURIED way towards the end.  You had more than enough time 
to look through  that and the other logs to see that they were provate and none 
of your damn business!  It would take more than a casual skim to find it .
	Why did you zero in on those dozen poses anyway, of the 20+ logs?  The 
only thing worse than your voyeuristic attitude is lying about it in a post.
From: Marc Stephens <marc r stephens@um.cc.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: tinyspying
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 09:19:51 EDT
Organization: University Of Michigan Medical School
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X-Xxdate: Mon, 12 Oct 92 09:22:24 GMT

 " I think that wizards should have scruples.  " 
NewDay Wizards *do* have scruples, they keep them on their keychains.
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of Marc Stephens. They   
                              *are* the opinions of the little voices in
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From: tarod@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: The end of these threads? Please?
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:08:16 GMT
Organization: Mankato State University

Anyone else out here think we've managed to beat the tinysex/log and Furry/SM
threads thoroughly into the dirt? Can we quit flogging two nearly dead horses
now? Let me sum up and finish 'em both off, if I may:

1) Some asshole posted the logs, and pissed off just about everyone to one
degree or another. Myself included.

2) Some people like tinysex, some don't.

3) Numerous people on Space Madness don't like FurryMUCK, and numerous people
on FurryMUCK don't like Space Madness.


-- 
------------------------------>>>
Tarod

===============================================================================

Tarod @ GodNet, DarkThorn, Gehenna
Y'dros @ SouCon (and most Pern MU*s)
Nain @ Narnia
Gorthaur @ Torg
From: jfurr@vtssi.vt.edu (Joel Furr)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: re: those damn logs
Date: 15 Oct 1992 14:21:10 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway

is297219@umbc2.umbc.edu (some stupid Furry) writes:

>        Joel,
>        
>        I *did* read the log in question, the act that you mention is less
than 
>a dozen poses and is BURIED way towards the end.  You had more than enough
time 
>to look through  that and the other logs to see that they were provate and
none 
>of your damn business!  It would take more than a casual skim to find it .

Hey, wait, let's look at the record here.  *I* stated that I did not read the
tinysex logs, merely glancing at ONE particular log to see if it was true that
it had furries pissing on each other after I'd been told that this was so. 
*You* on the other hand, read the ENTIRE log, apparently having such rapt
fascination for it that you can recall the position of a specific set of
actions in the text of the log.

Who's the voyeur?

Despite all the horrified screams coming from the Furries, I note one impor-
tant difference between the Furry reaction to the logs and the reaction of the
REST of the MUD world to the logs:  the Furries read *every word*, then said
"how _horrible_ it was for someone to post these" and the rest of the MUD
world said "ho hum," and skipped past them.

              NewDay: zeus.calpoly.edu 4201 or 129.65.16.21 4201
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Joel Furr                                                   jfurr@vtssi.vt.edu
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    Aphrodite - Chune - Crisis - Eddie - Fleur-de-Lis - grass - Igburyanki
       Joel - KeyLime - kitti - littlewolf - Max - Mobius - Mr._Kool-Aid
        No-Neck - Octopus - Pearl - Rudolpho - Silence - Tater - Tycha
From: Edward.L.Wallace@dartmouth.edu (Edward L. Wallace)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Furry Madness
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:22:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: dartvax.1992Oct15.222247.21242
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

Can folks please watch the cross posting?  This kind of inane flamewar
about one's preferences and or beliefs, with all sorts of name calling
and "Holier than Thou" attitudes is, at best, a complete waste of
InterNet.

If you really have nothing better to do with your time, consider
reading a book.  In the mean time, let's try to avoid useless and
senseless flame wars, /loggings, this, that, and the other thing on
r.g.m.t.

That's one reason I read *this* news group and NOT r.g.m.  We used to
be a moderately mature sounding group with interesting in Tiny style
MUDs.  Now it looks as if part of our population has degraded into the
childish free-for-all that all to often characterizes the nonsense that
is r.g.m.

Guess what? I don't play SM and I don't play Furry.  I don't even care,
one single bit, what anyone thinks of one or the other, or 'which one
is better', or 'which one is freer' or 'which one has more dorks on
it'.  Please... y'all sound like a complete bunch of children.

Yap yap yap.  I'd rather have a small dog than read some of the posts
on this board.

Falryx
From: yates@a.chem.upenn.edu (John H. Yates)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: URGENT. LIST MAINTAINER PLEASE
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:38:44 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

contact me.
yates@a.chem.upenn.edu
From: jfurr@vtssi.vt.EDU (Joel Furr)
Subject: NewDay
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:40:57 GMT

NewDay, a TinyMUCK running Doran's DaemonMUCK code at zeus.calpoly.edu 4201
(129.65.16.21 4201) invites all refugee TinyMUCK players in search of homes to
visit and perhaps stay a while!

NewDay has a main world that is laid out in a tranquil countryside, but has
other worlds based on such concepts as Terry Gilliam's "Brazil" available for
you to "dream" to.   We invite builders to build apartments, homes, and even
large areas.

A lot of people have seen ads like this that invite builders and visited the
MUCK in question, only to find out that the wizards didn't tell you everything
in the ad... and voila, you find out that _you_ can't build, but friends of
the wizards can.  NewDay doesn't work like that.  Although we may caution you
to start slow and work your way up, we have not refused anyone the right to
build what they like and have no intention of doing so.  If your area wouldn't
fit in the main countryside, we can link it in as a "dream" world.

Two notes that should be mentioned: 
      1) "NewDay" is but one of the names of this MUCK.  Other names include: 
            * (char *) 0
            * traumapuppy's paradise of scoobyism
            * Private Idaho
            * LimeMUCK
            * MarshMallowMUCK
            * Terra Nova
            * etc. etc.
            These are all the same MUCK.
      2) NewDay is home to the Center for enzie Research.  enzie is an
            alternate form of life which derives energy from idling, and we
            are studying him.

The boss wizards of NewDay are:
      Eos (site wizard #1)
      Doran (site wizard #2)

The "working stiffs" who are there to teach you how to build, where to link,
and whom to snuggle, are:
      Claire (player relations wizard)
      KeyLime (wizard in charge of building)
      Lucky (MUF wizard, also a building wizard)
      MadraRua (MUF wizard, in charge of snuggling)
      traumahound (MUF wizard, in charge of the Brazil dreamworld)

Semi-active wizards:
      Deanatay (Python wizard)
      Spike (wizard in charge of idling [not to be confused with enzie])

Visit NewDay today!  (Yes, we have enough wizards.)

              NewDay: zeus.calpoly.edu 4201 (129.65.16.21 4201) 

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Joel Furr                                                   jfurr@vtssi.vt.edu
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     Aphrodite   -  Chune  -  Crisis  -  Eddie  -  Fleur-de-Lis  -  grass
  Igburyanki  -  KeyLime  -  littlewolf  -  Max  -  Mr. Kool-Aid  -  No-Neck
                   Pearl  -  Rudolpho  -  Silence  -  Tycha
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny,rec.games.mud.misc,rec.games.mud
From: russ@math.okstate.edu (Horatio "Random" Hellpop)
Subject: Re: Space Madness pins down Furries
Organization: Aggie? What precisely is an Aggie?
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:56:48 GMT

In <Bw0vuL.7p0@ais.org> jgm@ais.org (jim miller) writes:


>In the spirit of the _Harper's_ Readings section, I present a log
>without commentary.

Two comments.

1) You will note "Tater" in this discussion.  I would hardly call him a regular
on SM, although he is a regular on rec.games.mud, and a disenfrancshised
FurryMUCK fan.  Should he choose to comment on his identity, fine, but I won't
beyond this.

2) Remember, it's auzzie that flamed me for not having a disclaimed that
made guarantees about people logging you without your knowledge, lo, these
many months ago.

Snicker.

-- 
---------------------===Comedy!  Sudden, violent comedy!===--------------------
Russ Smith -- russ@math.okstate.edu  |  "This is the Nineties, Bubba, and
  Don Random of the "Random Gang"    |   there is no such thing as Paranoia.
What a pinhead! Does he not fear us? |   It's all true." -- Hunter S Thompson
From: codrus@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Ian McCloghrie)
Subject: Re: TimeTraveller
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:26:02 GMT

In <9210070129.AA27862@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> jfurr@vtssi.vt.EDU (Joel Furr) writes:

>What's up with TimeTraveller?  I hear that a) it's up and everything's okay,
>b) it's going down for good very very soon and is only up so people can
>archive the parts of the dbase they want to save, and c) Storm's resigned,
>quitting, leaving, and has even recycled the Waterfall... 

	All partially true.  A)  TT is up, we lost 2 weeks of building due
to betz's disk getting fried.  B)  We will be going down October 17th,
but it's not up JUST for archiving.  C)  Storm has resigned as wizard,
due to time pressures.

	Read the article I just posted on rec.games.mud.misc for more info
on closing, check out "news 65" on the mud for more.

Codrus, Wizard of Future on Time Traveller

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From: awozniak@zeus.calpoly.edu (The WOZ)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: TinySpying on NewDay
Keywords: spy newday wizards
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:53:23 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

jkale@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Kale) writes:
>Well, I don't know about any of you, but I hate a tinyspy.  I have been
>using newday, and there is so much spying going on that it isn't even
>funny.  I have confirmed suspicions that even wizards are using their
>ability to set dark bits so that they can spy.  Not fun to muck and have a
>conversation when you know someone is spying.....D

Please, if you have a problem with the game, discuss it with the wizards.
Whining to the net is usually not looked on well.

If you going to whine with such a broad accusation, please give us some
facts.  How do you know you were being spied on?   How have your suspicions
been "confirmed" ?  Exactly who is doing the spying?

Take the time to read the news on the game and realize what they imply;
these rules are fairly simple, but their implications are not.  You don't
have to play on NewDay.  The sole intent of these rules was to allow as much
creative freedom as possible with as small an administrative burden as
possible.  An unfortunate side effect is that there is always a small
percentage of people who will take these rules to an extreme.  I will be the
first to admit that a spy program is an easy one-liner on any DaemonMuck.
We try to encourage people not to do this.  However, we cannot always
babysit you.  If you need a babysitter, go somewhere else.  If you want to
be creative in a fairly liberal environment, come to NewdDay.

OBPLUG: NewDay, zeus.calpoly.edu 4201

 > &&& news
 > 
 > News is available for the following topics:
 > 
 > rules
 > builder
 > mucker
 > 
 > &&& rules
 > 
 > We're trying to get by with as few rules as possible.  To wit, if the
 > server lets you do it, it's ok.  HOWEVER, along with this freedom
 > comes a great deal of responsibility.  Abuse of these freedoms may cause
 > us to change the rules. 
 > 
 > read: Do whatcha like.  If you make the game unbearable for the Wizards
 > or the other players, this rule will change.  Please don't ruin it
 > for yourself or others.  Everything in moderation.
 > 
 > &&& builder
 > 
 > Build whatcha like.  The wizards will help you find a place to link
 > it in when you're done with it.  PLEASE don't ask for a link until
 > the place is completely finished.
 > 
 > Also, try to keep your areas seperated into their own environments.
 > If you don't know how to do this, ask someone for help.
 > 
 > Spam the database and we'll get upset.
 > 
 > &&& mucker
 > 
 > Program whatcha like.  Try to avoid duplication of ther people's code.
 > We're mucker_all, so talk with ther programers, and try to help newbies...
 > 
 > Spam the database and we'll get upset.
 > 
 > 

-- 
Accept these axiomatically, and the universe will fall into perfect order:
               A & !A == TRUE            A | !A == FALSE

awozniak@morpheus.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
From: agri@pa.itd.com (Howard)
Subject: Re: tinyspying
Keywords: dark wizards spying boredom
Organization: Space Remote Sensing Center
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:32:54 GMT


Dark wizards bent on tinyspying are bored IMHO.  What they need are lots
and lots of Newbies asking them questions.  Then they won't have time to spy.
:*) :*)


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Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
From: jkale@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Kale)
Subject: TinySpying on NewDay
Summary: Wizards spying on NewDay?
Keywords: spy newday wizards
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 17:32:49 GMT


Well, I don't know about any of you, but I hate a tinyspy.  I have been
using newday, and there is so much spying going on that it isn't even
funny.  I have confirmed suspicions that even wizards are using their
ability to set dark bits so that they can spy.  Not fun to muck and have a
conversation when you know someone is spying.....D



jkale@nyx.cs.du.edu

Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny