HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: CLARIFICATION ON COLOURIZ
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 06:21:13 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:

-
- AS I can recall reading in "doctor Who - The Early Years," Britain used
- a 405-line picture as the technical standard until 1967, when they
- upgraded to 625-lines, or the current PAL standard.
- To me, this suggests that everyone at the time had to get a new set, as
- I don't think the two systems could be automatically compatible.
- Pertwee became the Doctor in 1970, by which time everything was being
- done in 625-lines.
- We can see this effect for ourselves.  Am I the only one who thinks that
- Hartnell stories don't look as crisp as Troughton ones?  This is because
- after '67, the Troughtons would have been in PAL, rather than 405 lines,
- even though they were still black and white.

  This was the period of which my parents were growing up in.  And Iain don't
take this personally, but it's obvious that you don't understand the UK.  Its
not just a matter of getting a new set, it is also a matter of the standard of
living.  Given right now that the majority of TV sets in the UK is now colour.
When the parents and I were living in the UK say from 1963 to 1972, a colour TV
would have been considered a luxury, not a neccessity.  I would have been an
expensive proposition to own a colour TV, and then there is the annual cost to
have a lincense to own one.
  It's a way different lifestyle than North America.  Mid you, I got readjusted
to British life in a hurry 4 months ago.
-
- ALL of Jon Pertwee's stories were origninally made in full 625-line color.
- Film copies were made of these stories for foreign sales to countries
- who didn't have the same technical standard (even though it would be
- difficult and expensive to convert directly from one standard to another,
- going from one standard to film and then to the other standard would in
- fact be simpler (or the station could just show it off the film, that is
- possible)).
- These film copies were in black and white, and it is these film copies that
- Americans have seen in place of the original color copies in the cases
- of "Doctor Who and the Silurians," "The Ambassadors of Death,"
- "Terror of the Autons,"  "The Mind of Evil," and "the Daemons"
-
  Pertwee was indeed both, as the BBC has to compensate for the fact that
colour TV would not catch on till was in the middle of the 1970's.





Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Canadians: send a clear message to the government!  ON Oct. 26, Abstain
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: doctor@bluemoon.rn.com (Klugh,Daniel)
Subject: Re: Doctor Who and Star Trek
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 05:25:58 EDT

ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:

> In article <1992Sep22.112435.23723@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> HISC9016351D@LUST.LAT
> >
> >Let me just say this.  To all those people who are trying to marry Doctor
> >Who and Star Trek together are fools, idiots and people who don't know
> >what they're talking about.  Not only do the two shows exist in 2 totally
> >different universes, they also have two totally different timelines.  Anyone
> >who tries to tie them together is obviously trying to improve the image
> >of Star Trek, which pales into insignificance against the shining star that 
> >is Doctor Who.  So there.
> 
> Here here!  
> However, if you think one show is borrowing ideas from another, please 
> tell us!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Of course there's always Fantastic Four's numerous rip-offs of Doctor Who

doctor@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us   doctor@bluemoon.rn.com
I'm a Time Lord.I walk in Eternity.-The Doctor
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: MONTHLY FAQ POSTING
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:28:05 GMT

I've got another clue to add to the "how old is the Doctor" thread, one that
does fit in with the time-thread most often observed (not Pertwee's botched
"centuries" thing...). In the "Ultimate Foe" section of the Trial, Glitz tells
the Doctor that he'll "live a long life." The Doctor replies, "I already have.
Over 900 years."

I hope one day someone in an official capacity with make the 400-900 time thread
"canon" so that all of the wondering and head-scratching can stop.

-- 
/////////////////////////[[[[[[[[[[]]]]]]]]]]\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
(718)             (212)                        (516)             (518)
=======Amiuser============Frank R. Dana, Jr.============Doc Ami=======     
--------My opinions rarely reflect those of any sane person,----------
	   living, dead, or undead... that's gonna CHANGE.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: bcr@cernapo.cern.ch (Bill Riemers)
Subject: Re: The Doc in England
Organization: CERN, European Research Center for High Energy Physics
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 11:18:02 GMT

> I happened to be in London, England in mid-to-late August, and, of
>course, fell into that pit known as "Forbidden Planet", which supposedly

That was the first place I tried too.  I did manage to find a couple of
interesting Dr.Who toys, but nothing that would not have actually been
cheaper at a Dr.Who convention...  Later when wondering some of the back
streets, I came across a used science fiction store...  The sign with a
painted picture of a TARDIS caught my attention.  The books were well 
priced.  I picked up a Patric Troughton adventer for &1.50.  However, most
of the other stuff I had just seen new at "Forbidden Planet" at lower
prices.

However, don't let this keep you from visiting London.  You can still
see the funny telephone booths, two story buses, Pudding Lane, ...

                                Bill
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Virgin Novels
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:42:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep17.134218.5756@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, wrw5473@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
|> 
|> Does anyone know the release schedules and upcoming titles for any Virgin
|> "New Adventures" books?  I didn't even know NIGHTSHADE was coming out until I
|> saw it in the bookstore, and the book doesn't list any projected future
|> releases.  I'd also like to know what people thought of NIGHTSHADE-  I
|> thought it pretty good, though not near something like REVELATION(my favorite
|> so far), and it seemed to me to have a Tom Baker feel to it, though with
|> Sylvester's doctor implanted within, although a couple of aspects were
|> strange enough to approach "Ghostlight" oddness.....

How can anyone NOT put Exodus at top!?!?!?   8)

Just kidding... but Terrance Dicks is my hero. Revelation pulls a close second,
tho.

I don't think it was very T.Baker-ish. I got a very strong feel of the Seventh
Doctor from it - the torturing, all consuming conscience, the chaos in the mind
of any 900-year-old man (ever wonder why Time Lords all seem to go bonkers by
the 11th or 12th incarnation?). Those more serious aspects of the show have only
begun to be used to their fullest. 

P.S> Anyone NOT know they were inside the Doctor's mind by about the second
page of Ace's travels within... ? I like my sci-fi unpredictable.

The one nice thing about having a fan writer, tho (nice work, Paul!) is that
they write fiction the FANs can appreciate. There were a lot of little touches
hidden in the text that the casual reader would never have seen.

|> Thankyakindly
|> 
|> 	Walter White : wrw5473@isc.rit.edu

-- 
/////////////////////////[[[[[[[[[[]]]]]]]]]]\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
(718)             (212)                        (516)             (518)
=======Amiuser============Frank R. Dana, Jr.============Doc Ami=======     
--------My opinions rarely reflect those of any sane person,----------
	   living, dead, or undead... that's gonna CHANGE.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Nf-ID: #N:nemesis:-403767:000:2155
Nf-From: nemesis.UUCP!quiz    Sep 27 17:12:00 1992


As of Sunday, September 26th, I have only received a couple of responses for
Quiz 2, all from sites very close to me, so I am assuming there is a network
problem.  The deadline for Quiz 2 is hereby extended until Wednesday,
September 30th.  

(Quiz 3 is still on for October 7th.  If you didn't see it, send me email.)

In case the problem is in both directions, here is the quiz again, and 
take notice of the reminders below:
--------------------   Quiz  2  -------------------------------------------
Division A					  

1.	"Well, we must cover all possibilities to the best of our abilities."

2.  *	"The date is June the 2nd, eighteen-hundred and sixty-six."

3.	"I can't convert you into a cypher."

4.	"A pity you had to find out.  We didn't want any shooting
	 until our takeover was complete."

5.	"We'll meet again Doctor, never doubt it.  We'll meet again."


Division B
1.	"The human body has a basic weakness, one which I shall exploit,
	 to assist in the destruction of humanity."

2.	"The compound is guarded.  If you try to leave again, my men
	 will shoot to kill.  See that The Doctor knows."


Answers by email ONLY - Must be received by 23:00CDT Wednesday, September 30th.
		Send them to:	quiz@nemesis.lonestar.org
				...uunet!utacfd!nemesis!quiz
				...letni!rwsys!nemesis!quiz

Keep in mind that all quotes in a given division are in chronological order,
so if your guesses don't fit, at least one guess is wrong.

If the theme seems obvious but something doesn't fit right, perhaps that
isn't the theme after all.  Look at your story guide for an alternative.
The theme for Division A this week may not be what it appears.

If you have already submitted answers, you can change them provided they
arrive by the new deadline.  Good luck.

If you have already sent answers and you don't want to change them, better
send them anyway, because I didn't get anything from outside of Texas.

QuizMaster    quiz@nemesis.lonestar.org|"Do not mistake what you assume.
            quiz%nemesis@utacfd.uta.edu| They never left the dining room!"
	   ...uunet!utacfd!nemesis!quiz|
	   ...letni!rwsys!nemesis!quiz |Lionel Twain - Murder by Death


Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: CLARIFICATION ON COLOURIZ
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 05:25:49 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

wfrey@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Warren Frey) writes:

- Wrongo, Dave! The BBC is ONLY colorizing those stories that they have
- colour copies of (be they of low quality or not). There is no colour copy
- of Mind of Evil and various other episodes, and so the BBC is not going
- to touch those episodes with a 10 foot Quantel. Likewise, they aren't
- going to fool around with the remaining Troughton and Hartnell episodes,
- since they were B%W to begin with.
-
  try again,  With Planet of the Dalkes and Invasion, it would not be that
difficult to deduce what the colour pattern would be as 5 of the 6 do retain
the pattern.  As for Mind of Evil, well I might agree that it would be tough to
do.

- Geez, Dave, you're the one that makes Dr. Who your life and soul, and yet
- you still get everything wrong.....
-
  Warren, try culturing yourself for once, join something like
soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada, or something.  It could enhance you
limited point of view.

- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
- -   "It's up to you." - JFK         - this message brought to you by     -
- -   "B-ko no BAKA!" - Project A-ko  - Warren Frey, BAKA's resident Hentai-
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------


Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Canadians: send a clear message to the government!  ON Oct. 26, Abstain
Organization: Senior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Date: Fri,  2 Oct 1992 13:26:29 -0400 
From: "Richard V. Kwiatkowski" <rk37+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: I still have not seen Survival

I was wondering if any kind hearted fan could help out another fan in
desparate need.  I still have not seen Survival (probably the only
episode I have not seen.  Yes, I have seen Shada, yes I have seen the
Tenth Planet, yes I have seen Power of the Daleks.)  If anybody out
there could send me mail back I will gladly pay all postage and copying
cost.

I really want to see Survival.

Thanks, 
Rich
From: doctor@somenode.uucp (Daniel Klugh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Ragnarok
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 00:36:28 EDT
Organization: .sdrawkcaB sgnihT gnipyT roF yteicoS ehT

dc@ohm.york.ac.uk (Dave Cullen) writes:

> 
>  Wasn't Ragnarok the Norse mythology equivalent of Armageddon. Fenris Wolf
> and Thor are supposed to kill each other, as are Odin and the Midgard 
> Serpent (might have got these mixed up, come to think of it) in the final,
> last, absolutely no more after this one, humdinger of a punch up!
> 
>         Dave (the Harlequin) Cullen

Well if you take Marvel comic's view,Thor kills the Great Serpent.(which 
resembles the Timewyrm(it circles the planet))

                The Doctor

Doctor@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us  Doctor@bluemoon.use.com

"I'm The Doctor,I know these things"-The Doctor
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: markc@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: Theft from Gallifrey
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:32:34 GMT

Ian Robert Asplin Manfred writes:

>And another thing Marc C,


>there is a BIG whopping difference between the kind of theft that ou
>say so easily takes place in "Trial of a time Lord" and the type of
>theft we're told about in "Mawdryn Undead."

No there isn't. For one thing all the 8 needed were the plans to the 
machine. They could build it from that. Secondly, How do you know 
they actually got the machine from Gallifrey itself? You don't. How did
the cybermen learn about Nemesis. How did the daleks learn about the 
hand of Omega? On Dr Who, anything is possible. In fact how do you know
that aliens did not arrive on Gallifrey several thousand years ago for 
some reason and steal equipment? This is a work of fiction, ANYTHING is
possible. And given the history of the show, aliens stealing or attempting
to steal Time Lord equipment is hardly a matter to be shocked about.
Mark C.
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Inconsistancies (sp?) and Boo boo's
Keywords: writers stuffed up
Date: 5 Oct 92 04:37:06 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Oct5.024729.28901@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> rez@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Anestis Kozakis <Rez>) writes:
>The other day, I read Dalek Invasion of Earth (with the first Doctor). I
>found something quite interesting.
>The Daleks (in that story) were controlled by radio signals, and once
>the antenna was blown up, the dalek in the control room stopped working.
>This would mean (I assume) that in that story, the daleks were just
>machines, with no living mutant to control it.
>It seems to me that in the writers in the later episodes (4th doctor
>onwards (can someone confirm this?)), made a huge mistake in adding the
>mutant part to the dalek. They obviously did not do their homework.
>Anybody care to try and close this gap?

Let me be the first of undoubtedly many to clear this up.

In the first Dalek Story, "The Daleks", the metal meanies did have the
creatures inside them.  Their travel machines, and their pacemaker-boosted
hearts, were run off of a static electric charge run through the floors of
their all-metal City on Skaro.  When the Doctor and the Thals cut off the
power in the end of the story, the city and the Daleks ceased to function.

By "Dalek Invasion of Earth", the Daleks had developed a means to move
around outside their city.  In the story on screen, they have little
aerial dishes on their backs, which either mean they can get BSkyB, or
they're having power transmitted through the air to them.  When the power
is cut off, again they die.

In all later stories, the Daleks' midsections have a series of vertical
slats around their midsection which look vaguely like solar panels.  This
implies that they can run off of solar energy, and are now no longer
limited by power supplies.

The only continuity error this causes is that, in "Genesis of the Daleks",
set before all the other Dalek stories, the Daleks have these solar panels.
But we argued that one out a month or so ago in this group.  My theory is
that the technology was there all along, but that the Daleks abandoned
the solar panels once they built their city after "Genesis" because the
static-electricity method was more efficient.  The invasion fleet on Earth
must have been an experimental method of power transmission.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: mrmuon@next05cville.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: CLARIFICATION ON COLOURIZ
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 04:37:31 GMT

In article <15762@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the  
Frog here...) writes:
>In article <1992Sep27.231014.19691@wam.umd.edu>  
>mrmuon@next01csc.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:
> >Image quality varies with how a particular story survived; some, such  
as  
> >"the Web Planet" are in lousy shape.
> 
> Actually, the weird image problems in stories like "Web Planet" and  
parts
> of "The Daleks" is because of the conversion process necessary from 405
> line video to 625.  Or at least that's what I guess.  That's why the  
image
> appears slightly pixellized -- the scan lines don't quite match up.

I remember part 1 (at least) of "Web Planet" having particularly nasty  
problems. There is a significant vertical smear, everything has  
accompanying streaks above and below.
I thought it looked as if someone had smeared the pigment of the film as  
it ran along (not literally of course).
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Long live Sylvester McCoy
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 06:39:13 GMT

In article <t921036.717826572@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU> t921036@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (GuessWho??) writes:
>ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
>>>
>>>Do you have any Idea who the "gods of Ragnarok" were?
>
>
>>In a way, yes, they are figures from Norse mythology.
>>As to how they pertain in the story, all we do know and all we need to
>>know for the story is that the Doctor has met them before somewhere,
>>they inhabit another time/space, and they have formidable mind powers
>>which the eye-mirror could reflect back onto them.
>
>i do agree with your Norse figures...they are called _The Fates_ in the Norse
>mythology...the three that sit in judgement...where does the name Ragnarok 
>come    from...??

Ragnarok is the Norse Armageddon.


-- 
"Dammit Jim, I'm a free man, not a number!"
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Ray, when somebody asks you if you're a god, you say YES!" -- Winston Zeddmore
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Concerning violent doctors
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 11:58:25 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

rassilon@infopls.chi.il.us (Michael Quintero) writes:

- wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
-
- > yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) wrote:
- >
- > All during "be kind to Dave" month, I haven't followed up on any of Dave's
- > dumb posts, but then he....
- >
- > >Warning Tom W.  your letters are about to be echoed.
- >
- > Now what are you talking about? What letters? I haven't sent you any letter
- > The whole net knows that your mailing system is about as reliable as the
- > TARDIS in its early days.

   Apologies to tom Wilson are appropriate here.  I must have badly interpreted
your statements in August.
   What I personally DON'T like is smear campaigns, and if anyone ever started
a smear campaign against another netter, and it becomes becomes personal, I
WILL side with the offended person and start giving and taking knocks against
the defender.

-
- >
- > "Of course, DSY will buy the books, the matching pot holders, the limited
- > edition collector's imitation china plates, and the commerative toenail
- > clippers...." -- an anonymous r.a.dw reader (who is NOT the Cyberleader)
-
- Cool!  I think this is a quote of mine (at least I'm the one who's not the
- Cyberleader).  I'm really honored to have my poor, pathetic anti-DSY
- (pro-Mideastern-tyrant-gold-faucet-using-elite-class) little diatribe used
- as a sig!
-
- Mike Quintero (anti-DSY!! Proud of it!!! NSA, come and get me!)
-
  As I said personal opinions are to be respected amongst netters.

  Furthur explanation for delays later.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Canadians: send a clear message to the government!  ON Oct. 26, Abstain
From: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: About as useless a bit of trivia as you can imagine.
Date: 30 Sep 1992 12:25:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) says:

>In article <9209291256.AA00324@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu> STDN%MARIST.bitnet@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Dan Newcombe) writes:
>>>3) In the same story, Douglas Adams slipped in an in-joke to The
>>>Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy (look at the author of the book that
>>>the Doctor is reading while trapped under the beam).
>
>Why, it's everyone's favorite popular spirituality author, Oolon Colluphid,
>author of "Where God Went Wrong", "More Of God's Greatest Mistakes", and
>"Just Who Is This God Person, Anyway?"  And the fourth book in the trilogy,
>"Well, That About Wraps It Up For God".
>
>In Destiny of the Daleks, I think the Doctor is reading another Colluphid
>best-seller, "A Brief History Of The Universe" or something like that.
>
Does the Doctor ever read Kilgore Trout?

-- 
: Pete Mullaney              :  Always do right.  This will gratify       :
:                             :  some and astonish the rest.               :
:                             :      Samuel  Langhorne Clemens             :   
:                             :      aka Mark Twain                        :