From: aria@hardy.u.washington.edu ()
Subject: [misc]
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:00:54 GMT

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One can do a whole lot better at advocating her belief by sending her
analysis or comment to responsible figures in the church, goverment or
media.  She could then enriching our knowledge by updating us on her work.
Or better yet, channel her energy into constructive tasks by helping
unfortunate people whom she thinks were or currently are deceived by the
church.  Have we seen that?  No.  All we have seen are systematic method
of repeated messages aiming at arousing negative comment and emotion on
this net.

I think I too am falling into this trap of responding to controversial
comments disguised in the form of FYI or "forwared message."  I think
miss karen bui has succeeded in doing just that.

I am going to jump into the ocean to cool off.  Perhaps anh bx can show
me how to stay down there for good.
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Cha`o ba.n David,

DDo.c ba`i cu?a ba.n, to^i pho?ng ddoa'n la` o+? du+o+'i che^' ddo^. VC,
ba.n dda~ chu+a bao gio+` bi. ddi ho.p to^'i bao gio+` ca?.  Tho^i thi` cho
phe'p to^i ke^? la.i cho. ba.n nghe nha.

ma^'y na(m dda^`u, 75-78, cu+' to^'i dde^'n la` ba` con trong la`ng ddu+o+.c
mo+`i ddi ho.p, (kho^ng ddi ho.p la` pha?n ddo^.ng, la` cho^'ng la.i che^' ddo^.
tu` pho+` ra^u dda^'y ba.n a.)  anyhow, tho^ng thu+o+`ng chu? to.a mo^~i
buo^?i ho.p la` mo^.t anh ve.m, ddo^i khi ddu+o+.c thay the^' ba(`ng 1 chi.
ve.m kha'c.  Ba.n cu+' thu+? tu+o+?ng tu+o+.ng ca'i ca?nh ca? nga`y cuo^'c
dda^'t, ga'nh cu?i cha^n tay ba?i hoa?i, co+m nu+o+'c thi` chi? co' ma^'y cu?
khoai bo^.t luo^.c to ba(`ng ngo'n cha^n ca'i, bo+? bu`ng bu.c, nhai mo^.t cu?
ma` che^'t nghe.n le^n che^'t nghe.n xuo^'ng, khoai ngon thi` ba'n la^'y tie^`n
dde^? mua ga.o, muo^'i ro^`i, dda^u da'm a(n.  Cu+' va^.y la`m lu.ng cho
dde^'n to^'i khi lu+ng no' sa('p su+?a la.y o^ng con chi.u he^'t no^?i
ro^`i mo+'i le^'t ve^` na^'u bu+?a co+m to^'i.  khi no^`i co+m ma` 99% la` khoai
lang kho^ vu+`a ca.n nu+o+'c, dda(.t 1,2 con ca' ne.p kho^ le^n tro^'c dda^.y
na('p vung la.i vu`i tro thi` lu'c ddo' ma('t dda~ di'u la.i ro^`i, chi? muo^'n
na(`m ngu? 1 gia^'c cho dda~ con ma('t.  nhu+ng, la.i ca'i chu+~ nhu+ng tai ha.i
ta^'t ca? mo.i ngu+o+`i trong xo'm la.i pha?i tu. ta^.p dde^? ho.p.  Tre^n ca'i
ghe^' la` 1 anh ve.n, cha^n ddi de'p cao su bi`nh tri. thie^n, dda^`u ddo^.i
no'n co^'i, ddang hu`ng ho^? thuye^'t phu.c ba` con co^ ba'c la` ho^` chu? ti.ch
vo^ va`n ki'nh ye^u kho^ng pha?i chi? co' hai con ma('t ma` la` bo^'n.  Pha?i
dda^'y ba.n a., to^i kho^ng dda'nh ma'y lo^.n dda^u!  tu.i ve.n no'i ho^`
chu? ti.ch co' bo^'n con ma('t, cho ne^n khi ba'c ngu? ba'c chi? nha('m hai con
tho^i co`n hai thi` quan sa't theo do~i bo.n ddi.ch.  Ba.n cho la` buo^`n
cu+o+`i u+, lu'c ddo' cu~ng co' ke? cu+o+`i, tha^.t to^.i nghie^.p cho ho., chi?
vi` mo^.t tie^'ng cu+o+`i ma` ra tha^n tu` to^.i.  Tie^n su+ bo^' ca'i lu~ ve.n,
Mi`nh thi` ddo'i me^`m cha^n me^`m tay ra, ma('t thi` cu+' di'u la.i, ca'i lu+ng
ddau ra^`n tu+`ng co+n, muo^~i cu+'
tu+`ng dda`n, tu+`ng dda`n thi nhau ma` chi'ch, tre^n kia du+o+'i a'nh dde`n
ma(ng xo^ng, ddu+'a con ye^u qui' cu?a ba'c ddang dda^.p ba`n dda^.p ghe^',
hu`ng ho^? nhai ddi nhai la.i nhu+~ng ca^u chuye^.n dda.i kha'i nhu+ la`
chuye^.n ho^` chu? ti.ch co' bo^'n ma('t.

ba.n tha^n, to^i cu+' tu+o+?ng qua dda^y thoa't ddu+o+.c ca?nh ho.p ha`nh cu?a
lu~ ve.n ro^`i cho+'!  na`o ai ngo+`, ( tre^n ddo+`i la.i hay co' chu+~ ngo+`)
khi theo do~i scv la.i tha^'y  nhu+~ng tro` mu+o+`ng tu+o+.ng nhu+ la` nhu+~ng
buo^?i ho.p to^'i o+? be^n que^ nha` va^.y,gio^'ng la('m ddi tho^i, cu~ng repost
cu~ng nhai ddi nhai la.i vo+'i lua^.n ddie^.u ho^` chu? ti.ch co' bo^'n ma('t.

O+? be^n dda^y ca'i gi` ba^y gio+` cu~ng la.m pha't, la.m pha't tie^`n, la.m
pha't ti`nh, la.m pha't lung tung cho ne^n ba.n ddu+`ng waste time ddo.c ba
ca'i article ho^` chu? ti.ch co' bo^'n ma('t la`m chi, cu+' hit junk, kho^ng
pha?i bi ddi tu` ho.c ta^.p ca?i ta.o dda^u, dde^? da`nh tho+`i gian ddi la`m
kie^'m tie^`n pho`ng tha^n, nho+~ co' bi. ma^'t do'p thi` cu~ng ddo+~
ddo'i nha'.  O+? du+o+'i bie^?n ngo' ma^'y con ca' bo+i lo^.i tung ta(ng hoa`i
cu~ng bore tha^'y mo^`, ro^`i dda^u co' scv ma` ddo.c ddu+o+.c! a` cho phe'p
to^i ke^? 1 va`i ddie^`u ve^` che^' ddo^.
Ngo^ DDi`nh Die^.m nhe':

Du+o+'i che^' ddo^. Ngo^ DDi`nh Die^.m co' nhu+~ng qua'n co+m xa~ ho^.i (cho ng.
nghe`o)  do nha` nu+o+'c dda`i tho., 1 bu+~a a(n to^'n co' 1 ddo^`ng tho^i
go^`m ba mo'n: canh, xao`, kho va` co+m, rie^ng co+m thi` tha ho^` a(n gio^'ng
nhu+ lunch buffet o+? hoa ky` na`y va^.y,  ti'nh ra thi` gia' re? ma.t.
mo^~i thu+' hai khi nghe hie^.u le^.nh cha`o quo^'c ky` thi` tu+` tho^n que^
dde^'n tha`nh pho^' ta^'t ca? mo.i ngu+o+`i, tu+` ba` ba'n bu'n rie^u be^n
ddu+o+`ng, dde^'n ba'c dda'nh xe ngu+a. dde^`u pha?i ngu+ng ta^'t ca? mo.i
vie^.c la.i va` ddu+'ng nghie^m trang ngay nga('n dde^? l. le^~cha`o quo^'c ky`.
ha`ng qua'n khi ba'n ke.o ba'nh thi` pha?i
bo? va`o trong keo cho sa.ch se~, thu+'c a(n thi` pha?i dda^.y la.i ba(`ng
lo^`ng ba`n dde^? ruo^`i muo^~i kho?i dda^.u, ngu+o+`i ba'n pha?i ddeo ta.p de^`
(apron), DDa^y la` lua^.t cu?a nha` nu+o+'c co' police ddi check dda`nh hoa`ng
dda^'y nhe'! Oh man! kho^ng bie^'t co^ hay ca^.u Ho^` Si~ Khue^ na`o ddo'
co' so^'ng du+o+'i tho+`i ho. Ngo^ hay la` da^n sanh sau dde? muo^.n ma` vie^'t
ca'i cuo^'n sa'ch gi` kinh khu?ng va^.y,  hay la` ca'i nho'm cho^'ng dda.o co^ng
gia'o la.i ta'i xua^'t giang ho^` tre^n scv????????




                                                   dolpin
...........bie^?n xanh...........dolphin.....................................

                                            dolphin
                        dolphin

                                     dolphin
                                                                      dolphin


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Article: 20195 of soc.culture.vietnamese
From: davidto@fxgrp (David M To)
Subject: Re: [REL&POL] MAFIA of the SOUL, the UNTOUCHABLES
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:10:53 GMT

kbui@pdx.mentorg.com (Karen Bui) writes:
:
:
: FYI
:
: <<forwarded message>>
:
:         You have to be aware who the real criminals are.
:
:         The problem is that those criminals are thought to be
:         great leaders, sages, saints, mahatmas.
:
:         It is easier to understand that perhaps politicians
:         are the causes of many problems: war, murders, massacres,
:         burning people.
:
:         It is even more difficult when it comes to religious leaders,
:         because NOBODY HAS RAISED HIS HAND AGAINST THEM. They have
:         remained respectable for centuries, and as time goes on their
:         respectability goes on growing.
:
:         The most difficult job is to make everyone aware that
:         these people - knowingly or unknowingly, that does not matter -
:         have created this world.
:
:                                        B.S. Rajneesh
:
:
:


I think it's sad and pathetic to see miss karen bui resorted to using
all means to drive home her belief.

We all know, especially those of us who used to live in the Northwest,
that Bahwan Rajneesh was a phony religious figure who scammed thousands
of followers in the 70s and 80s.  In the end, he was caught at the Portland
airport while attempting to flee the US federal law enforcement.
Subsequently, he was tried, convicted and deported back to India.

I can't think of anything credible coming from Rajneesh.  Furthermore,
quoting sermont from B. Rajneesh is probably the most ironic thing I've
ever seen in debate or argument.  How sad it is to see this kind of
persuasiveness.

I also would like to take this opportunity to voice my frustration
regarding messages from miss karen bui.  I hope that all netters, ca'c
anh chi., would forgive me for not responding in a more constructive way.

One can do a whole lot better at advocating her belief by sending her
analysis or comment to responsible figures in the church, goverment or
media.  She could then enriching our knowledge by updating us on her work.
Or better yet, channel her energy into constructive tasks by helping
unfortunate people whom she thinks were or currently are deceived by the
church.  Have we seen that?  No.  All we have seen are systematic method
of repeated messages aiming at arousing negative comment and emotion on
this net.

I think I too am falling into this trap of responding to controversial
comments disguised in the form of FYI or "forwared message."  I think
miss karen bui has succeeded in doing just that.

I am going to jump into the ocean to cool off.  Perhaps anh bx can show
me how to stay down there for good.

Regards,

David.


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