HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rigby@pyramid.unr.edu (Wayne Rigby)
Subject: Re: WorkBench 2.1?
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno  Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 10:58:56 GMT
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In article <1ic777INNfu6@mercury.kingston.ac.uk> cs_e445@ceres (Vlod Kalicun) writes:
>I.A.Inman@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A. Inman) writes:
>: 
>: Am I missing something here?
>: I thought Commodore went straight from WB2.04/2.05 to WB3.0.
>: This version of WB never appeared in Britain.
>: What the hec is WB2.1?
>
>I think it was a beta version of WB3 sent to developers so they can make
>sure their progs work under the new opsys.
>
>Regards..
>
>Vlod
>-Amiga Advocate.
>----------------------------------------------
>Amiga - Anything else isn't worth considering
>----------------------------------------------

Nope, AmigaDOS (R) Release 2.1 is an official release to the general public,
at least here in the US.  It was released/announced at the World of Commodore
in Pasadena, California last summer, along with the 4000, AGA, AmigaDOS 3.0,
and AmigaVision Pro.  Effectively they released 2.1 as the 3.0 for non-AGA
machines with 3.0 only having support for the AGA chipset and a couple other
things that 2.1 does not have.

The official release notice that I have from WOC - Pasadena states (this
has been posted a few bizillion times since WOC - Pasadena, but here's a
rehash..) that it has 

o Dynamic Localization of Programs to Different Languages and Locales
o Includes CrossDOS for easy transfer of MS-DOS (R) and Amiga (R) files.
o Includes PostScript (R) Printer Driver
o Professional look, three-dimensional, point-and-click user interface
o Updated Printer Drivers for most popular printers
o New Preferences Editing
o Supports Multiple Serial and Parallel Printer Preferences
o Includes Installer and Screen Mode Requester

and lots more...

Ordering info:

AS215 AmigaDOS Release 2.1 Software Upgrade includes
      o 6 disks
      o 3 manual set

AS216 AmigaDOS Release 2.1 ROM and Software Upgrade includes
      o 2.0X ROM
      o 6 disks
      o 3 manual set

(I think that they dropped down to 5 disks in the actual release..)

The addresses given are for the US and Canadian divisions.

So, did they release 3.0 for non-AGA machines in the UK, or what?  Still
only have 2.04 for non-AGA?  Just kind of curious...

Wayne Rigby
rigby@cs.unr.edu

Note:  Above blurbs taken directly from the release flyers without permission,
not that I think Commodore minds free advertising...  :)
From: scott@mcode.amdahl.com (Scott Blackledge)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: A2320 Display Enhancer and AmigaDOS 2.05 problems
Keywords: a2320 display enhancer
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:47:11 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation - Macrocode Development

What is the version of the 'display' program that you are using?
CBM was using a v36.xx version when I bought my 2320.  Once I replaced
this with the latest version from the 2.04 disks, everything worked fine.

Scott
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From: swinokur@cellar.org (Steve Winokur)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.tech
Subject: Re: Trouble writing to MSDOS disk with MessyDos.
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:11:37 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

ajmex@brt.deakin.edu.au writes:

> I am have been using Messydos quite successfully for a while now to read 
> files from a MSDOS disk, but I have had trouble writing to a MSDOS disk.
> 
> I can delete files, create/delete directories, and copy text files
> to a MSDOS format disk, but when I try to copy a binary file to a MSDOS
> disk, I get an error along the lines of "Error writing to disk".
> 
> Does anyone have any idea why this is?
> 
> I am running Workbench 1.3.
> I dont know what version of Messydos I am running, but I downloaded it 
> about a year ago. Is there a newer version out?
> 
> Thanks in advance, Alister Miller.

Yeah,  Toss out Messydos and get yourself a copy of "MultiDos."  Multidos is
-much- more stable than Messydos.  

I had similar problems as you did, and Multidos solved 'em.

It should be available at "finer" ftp sites :).
	-steve


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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Blank keys on the A1200?
Keywords: Amiga 1200 blank keys
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:20:57 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1imeceEINN1i1@uni-erlangen.de> bdraschk@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Bernd Raschke) writes:
>eamon@netcom.com (Charles E Taggart) writes:
>
>>The left-shift key and the return keys are quite a bit smaller than those
>>on the Amiga keyboard that I've been used to for the last six years.  I
>>found that I was consistently missing those keys while typing (I'm pretty
>>fast, and I had much more trouble with the left-shift than the return).
>>What's the deal with these keys?  Do they serve some essential function? 

Sorry, not for you. But indirectly, yes, also for you: They make production
cheaper, in that we only have one version of the physical keyboard for all
countries and not two different ones. So your wallet gets positively affected.

>>And is the keyboard (which otherwise seems exactly the same) replaceable
>>with a standard A500 replacement keyboard?

I fear not, because the connection to the motherboard is very different,
you have more LEDs there. Most important, the keyboard controller sits in
the keyboard of the A500 (thus lesser connection lines to the motherboard),
but on the motherboard of the A1200 (thus more lines).

>That's curious. Apparently this is a production error, or C= want's to save
>money by building only ONE version of the keyboard for Germany and USA. 

Nearly correct. But it's not only Germany, but (I believe) *all* non-US
countries that use these two keys (don't the Brits put their pound sign
there?). You see, all these countries use some own characters not found
in english language or on the US keyboard, so they can make good use of
extra keys. E.g. we in Germany have 7 extra characters, plus some accents
for foreign words (from French mainly). So on our layout, e.g. the square
and curly brackets are shifted to the numeric keypad to make room for
our umlauts. Similar things happen in all other European languages.

>If your dealer has the Germann keyboard file installed, try prefs/input and
>select the German keyboard, the two keys should work then.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: val@news.ccutah.edu (Val Kartchner)
Subject: Re: need help choosing monitor
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 20:38:43 GMT

Ted_Eugene_Viens@cup.portal.com writes:
: >With all the talk of monitors and with a supply of Christmas
: >cash, I decided to look into getting a better display for my
: >system.
: The same monitor is being sold by SIEKO as the model 1440.

But are there any third-party (VGA, SVGA, XGA) monitors that will do overscan?

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From: RHorne@cup.portal.com (Richard Stanley Horne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga software for visually-impaired users
Date: Mon,  4 Jan 93 18:40:22 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>1/2/93 12:09 6/158 qbarnes@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Quentin Barnes)
>What Amiga software programs and utilities are available for
>visually-impaired users?

Voice Command Line Interface (VCLI) might be of some use to the visually
impaired or other handicapped.  It allows the use voice commands to execute
any CLI command or control any other program with an ARexx interface.  VCLI
requires an audio digitizer (Perfect Sound 3, Sound Master, or Generic) and
AmigaDOS 2.0.  Version 5.2 is available in wuarchive.wustl.edu in
systems/amiga/incoming/audio.
                                                   Richard Horne
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: sd7047787@v9000 (SD7047787)
Subject: Need help on workstation...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:23:00 GMT

Hi!
I have some problems on workstation. I know this is not the
appropriate place to ask. But pardon me, I really need the answer fast and I 
dunno
which usenet discussion list should I ask. So would some kind souls
out there please help me:

Problem Encounter: In the company I attached, ppl from different departments
log into the few Sun workstations. They left for urgent meetings etc. quite
oftenly without logging out from the station. This cause inconvience to
others who came at random to use the stations.

Solution Requirement: Is there any daemons/programs that came with Sun that I 
can invoke so that
users idled for a period of time will automatically be logged out? I know that 
this is quite
similar to a screen blanker. But I have no idea how to do/program it because it
is also required that the processes status and application programs eg. CAD
program files etc. called/created by the user are saved before the user is 
logged out
of the workstation.

I am no experience user for workstation. I think it might not be possible to
achieve the requirement. But I need advices. Please reply to my address
as far as possible. All suggestions are welcomed! Thanx a million!!!


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: schwager@mike.cs.uiuc.edu (Mike Schwager)
Subject: Latest FISH DISKS are on ux1!
Summary: Come and get em
Keywords: fish disks
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:20:36 GMT

If you were on the Fishdisks mailing list, you'd already know the
that the latest fishdisks were uploaded to ux1.
Send mail to schwager@cs.uiuc.edu to get put onto the list.
Fish disk listings are not posted here, to save net bandwidth.  If you
need the listings, keep your eyes peeled on comp.sys.amiga.announce.  Fred
Fish posts them there.  Also, all Contents files are always available on
ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (128.174.5.59) in amiga/fishdoc/f0->f7, as well as most
of the other Fish disk sites.

-Mike
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Fish Archive Spots: (updated 12/17/92)
128.174.5.59    ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (disks from 50-current)
     Maintained by Mike Schwager (schwager@cs.uiuc.edu)
128.255.19.233 grind.isca.uiowa.edu  (all disks)
     Maintained by Michael T. Pins (amigapd@isca.uiowa.edu)
128.171.44.7 ftp.hawaii.edu (mirror of ux1: disks 001-current)
	Maintained by amiga@ftp.hawaii.edu (Baron) 
	The disks on ux1 say: "...I want to be a Fish Disk in Hawaii!" :-)
16.1.0.2 gatekeeper.dec.com has FF #1-600 or so in /pub/micro/amiga/fish
     Maintained by vixie@pa.dec.com   ... does not appear to be current
128.252.135.4 wuarchive.wustl.edu  has the newest in systems/amiga/fish/fish
     (Woah!  Now lots of disks at one of America's premier ftp sites!)
IN AUSTRALIA:
139.130.4.6     archie.au
     a mirror of wuarchive.wustl.edu?  Maintained by ???
IN EUROPE:
128.214.6.100 ftp.funet.fi  carries all Fish disks in /pub/amiga/fish.
     Maintained by Pertti Lehtinen <pl@ftp.funet.fi> and
                   Kimmo Ketolainen <Kimmo.Ketolainen@nic.funet.fi>
137.226.112.172 ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de
     /pub/amiga/fish/f?         Disks 600+
     /pub/amiga/fish/olddisks   Disks 1-600 (mounted from CDROM)
     Maintained by Stefan Becker
     <stefanb@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: loyd@seq.uncwil.edu (David Loyd)
Subject: David Nye please email me
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:44:34 GMT

David, the hd you included in the recent sale has a bad controller
on it. Please emai me so we may discuss this.
Thanks

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Amiga 2000 Tower               8megs 32bit Ram   
Supra 2400ZI+ Modem            Sony KV-1311CR Monitor 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: sean@uhura.neoucom.edu (Sean A. Temple)
Subject: WANTED: Program to display Keystokes.
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:49:13 GMT

Hello out there! I am looking for a program that will display all
keystokes to the screen. I will be making training tapes at work
and will be using an Amiga 500 with the RGB->Composite converter to
get it to tape. Not the greatest quality, but not ot bad for
Free!!!! Basically I would like to have each keystroke appear in a
window or even as a sprite. For example, for a vi tutorial it would
show a big "l" as the cursor goes left. Any help finding such a
program would be greatly appreciated. E-mail responses would be
great. Take R Easy.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: zurawski@cse.uta.edu (John Charles Zurawski)
Subject: A1200 screen mode problem
Organization: Computer Science Engineering at the University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:53:06 GMT


  When I change screen modes in Prefs the new screen mode does not
take effect until I reboot the system.  What I get is some low
resolution (non-interlaced) mode with a large horizontal virtual
screen.  It is the same resolution screen no matter which
video mode I select.   The scroll is not smooth either, the scrolled
edges display/disappear in huge blocks.

  This same phenomena appears if I am already in a video mode and
use/save a new palette or modify overscan.

  I have tried a 1950 and a VGA only multisync monitor. I don't have
these kinds of problems with my 1080.  Although I have only
used the low-resolution modes on it.  Any suggestions?

I called CommodoreExpress, but they could not duplicate anything like
this on a 4000.  They won't be getting any 1200's for themselves until
next week.  And the guy said that even if there was something
defective with my machine I could not get a replacement for a while.
From: James_Coulter@panam.wimsey.bc.ca (James Coulter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Crunching is driving me MAD!
Distribution: world
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:44:01 PST
Organization: Commodore Computer Club / PaNorAmA

In a message dated Sun  3 Jan 93  7:35, Mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-Bonn.mpg.de 
wrote:
>To make this post slightly more reasonable, has anyone designed an IFF
>form for "compressed" files ? At least that way it should be possible
>to "unify" the cruncher mismash that there is today.

 MB> Not an IFF form. But have a look at the XPK package.

There is the program 'Shrink'.  The docs state that it uses an IFF format
for the archives.  It is an Lha/Zoo/Arc style program.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: eamon@netcom.com (Charles E Taggart)
Subject: Blank keys on the A1200?
Summary: What is their purpose?
Keywords: Amiga 1200 blank keys
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 08:15:15 GMT

I've been playing with the A1200 at a local dealer and proing over the
specs ... I love it, and I'm ready to get one, but it seems to have one
essential flaw that's going to be hard for me to get used to.

The left-shift key and the return keys are quite a bit smaller than those
on the Amiga keyboard that I've been used to for the last six years.  I
found that I was consistently missing those keys while typing (I'm pretty
fast, and I had much more trouble with the left-shift than the return).

The reason for this is the addition of two blank keys, same size as the
letter keys.  I couldn't figure out what they're for, and as usual, the
clueless salesmen at Creative didn't know either (at least they didn't try
to make something up this time).

What's the deal with these keys?  Do they serve some essential function? 
And is the keyboard (which otherwise seems exactly the same) replaceable
with a standard A500 replacement keyboard?

Thanks,

Chuck
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From: jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jake Rose)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: QUESTION: Do I wait for 3.1 or get 2.04??????????
Date: 4 Jan 93 13:15:30 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:

>"can I run 3.0 off floppy?  
>  Guess what I'n {running my 1200 off.  However -- the 3.0 Amiga Operating
>System floppy diskette is in a format which a 1.3 machine cannot read. 

Correctamundo - however, if the guy's installing 3.x on his system, he must
have the ROMs, therefore he *can* read the floppy!  Ta-da... ...I'd love to
hear how painful it is to run 3.x from floppy, though, as per his original
question...
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From: msp@msen.com (Jerry Foster)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Why are they ignoring the Amiga?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 19:53:58 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Jukka Marin (jmarin@messi.uku.fi) wrote:
: colas@opossum.inria.fr (Colas Nahaboo) writes:

: >Word perfect can only suceed in a PC market with customers with low
: >expectations.

: >PS: What we need is frame maker!

: Then write to FrameMaker Company.  I e-mailed to them some time ago and
: asked if they're going to port Frame to the Amiga.  The person who replied
: to me mail said that "The latest Commodore products look interesting"
: and that they might consider an Amiga port seriously in the future.

: I know _I_ would buy a copy!  Now I'm using Frame on a UNIX box, some-
: times with the GfxBase X11 emulator (I only have the demo version but
: hope to get the real thing as it is _good_ :-)


:   Jukka Marin

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From: BKessler@cup.portal.com (Brett L Kessler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Changing icon tooltypes...
Date: Tue,  5 Jan 93 22:51:21 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Help!  I've been trying for a while now to find an easier way to change all
of my (many) .info files into PROJECT or TOOL types, so that I can do
interesting things like _SEE_ my DISK icons when they aren't in a root
directory named Disk.info, or DELETE the trashcan icons I have that I think
are ugly.

Now, I know that I can do the latter through the shell, but I'm working
with WB - why should I have to go to the shell?  And I know that many icon
editors (if not all) let you choose the icon type when you save it.  But it
gets to be a pain when you have a couple of floppies filled with subdirs
of icons.

Does something like this exist?  Can I run it from the CLI (thereby avoiding
the WB altogether)?  Can I use it via AppIcons (thereby avoiding the Shell
altogether)?  Can somebody please point me in the right direction?

And if this does not exists, would any programmer out there be terribly
interested in whipping something like this up?  I'm sure it would be a
breeze to do a shell-based one - but since I don't have a hard drive, my
C compiler isn't really a viable option for me.

Thanks a lot in advance.  Please reply via email, and if there's anybody
else who shows some interest, I'll pass it around or post a quick summary.

--Brett
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: jperkski@kentcomm.UUCP (Jim Perkowski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re:  WorkBench 2.1?
Distribution: world
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:11:43 EST
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <C0FzA4.Jt0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jmrg9881@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid) writes:
>jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jake Rose) writes:
>
>>Not at all... ...there's quite a gap between 2.1 and 3.0.  2.1 basically only
>>adds AmigaGuide, CrossDOS, internationalization, the icon-based Devs, and
>>sound prefs, while 3.0 also has MultiView, DataTypes, AGA support, new video
>>prefs, a vastly improved layers library, faster fd & hd access/transfer even
>>with FFS, and a lot more (I don't have any tech docs).
>
>Actually, AmigaGuide is *not* included with 2.1.  (More's the pity -- at
>least I got one with SAS/C 6.0).

 Interesting. I got mine with Ami-Back 2.0 and it is really nothing more than a
 library and *.guide files. Is there a program for making AmigaGuide files? For
 those who are not familiar with the way AmigaGuide works, you place the mouse
 pointer over the gadget, button, or text you need more info on and press the
 help button and magicaly a help screen will appear.:)

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