HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Subject: Re: Our steriod buddy Ben Johnson
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 22:42:03 GMT


In a previous article, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) says:

>Yes...Ben has served his time...and will run, but it is far from
>certain if he can make the final.
>
>It is extremely unlikely Ben was the only runner on illegal juice
>in Seoul...one can be reasonably certain that at least half the
>finalists in the men's 100m final in Seoul weren't clean, and that
>the only way to catch people is with year round out of season testing...
>something which the US does not do.
>
>Did you know when the US track and field association distributes the
>list of banned substances...it also gives the clearance times for
>the substances?

Hehe, I wouldn't doubt it.  I wouldn't doubt it.  If you want to make
fun of anything American, copme to me because I'll usually agree with
you.

I guess you could say that Canada is dumb for NOT proving those figures.
(-:

And Gerald, you didn't flame my NHL anti-fighting comment.  What's
wrong?
-- 
Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu)
Pro-Choice/Pro-Clinton/Gore '92
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Our steriod buddy Ben Johnson
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:13:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.005420.11713@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
>
>Is Ben Johnson running in the Olympics this year?
>

Yes...Ben has served his time...and will run, but it is far from
certain if he can make the final.

It is extremely unlikely Ben was the only runner on illegal juice
in Seoul...one can be reasonably certain that at least half the
finalists in the men's 100m final in Seoul weren't clean, and that
the only way to catch people is with year round out of season testing...
something which the US does not do.

Did you know when the US track and field association distributes the
list of banned substances...it also gives the clearance times for
the substances?

Gerald
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: yackob@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Kerry Yackoboski)
Subject: Re: Odd sighting in Halifax
Organization: Elect. & Comp. Eng., U of Manitoba - Tuvan Instruments Corp.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:55:00 GMT

01camera@ac.dal.ca writes:
>At approximately 12:00 a.m. AST (29 July) a fiery tailed object flew by
>the north of Halifax. I had followed it for about five seconds before it
>left my line of sight. The tail was about a hundred foot long flame with
>two large chunks of matter engulfed in flames as the head. 

Oh, sorry, that was me.  My Flaming Tail is actually only about
70 feet long, but flattery will get you everywhere. :-)
--
<yackob@ee.umanitoba.ca>     Tuvan at heart.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.general
From: bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens)
Subject: Re: French/English status after independence
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 03:06:52 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <BrwHC5.LL@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:

> [...]   Pour un mince pourcentage
>d'anglos ayant appris le francais (la plupart des opinions exprimees
>en rapport avec les pertes culturelles suivant la secession du
>Quebec ne provenaient pas des bigots qui expriment des opinions anti-Quebec
>tout en se defendant d'etre anti-Quebec), on dit que le Canada a fait
>amende honorable et on accuse les francos d'etre racistes alors que le
>retour a un etat plus normal est a peine debute.

Ou c'est qu'ils se cachent, ces bigots?  Est-ce qu'ils comptent
vraiment?  N'ont ils pas bon dos?

Est-ce que le fait (?) que le 'retour a un etat plus normal' soit a
peine debute est une excuse suffisante pour justifier que 'les
franco soient racistes'?

La bigoterie d'un cote me semble justifier la bigoterie de l'autre
cote?  Esct-ce qu'entre adultes raisonnables (?), nous ne devrions
pas plutot essayer de nous debarrasser de tous les bigots, ou
qu'ils soient?) 

BTW, je ne vois pas de 'retour'.  Plutot, finally, Quebec coming
of age, after having tried for too long to hide outside of the real
world? And ending up paying a heavy price in terms of self-confidence,
which is costly to regain? (Sorry, but that was easier in English) 

LB

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.indian
From: ngopalas@ha15.eng.ua.edu (Nath S. Gopalaswamy)
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Health Insurance Policy
Organization: The University of Alabama
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:47:56 GMT

In article <8ePPTaS00WBOQ4jYlO@andrew.cmu.edu>, pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Pravin Devineni Ratnam) writes:
|> The Phoenix writes:
|> *********************************
|> I really don't know what your problem is, but before
|> you take the high moral ground in all these issues let
|> me just remind you that if not for tuition waivers or
|> humane immigrations policies people in your parents 
|> generation may not have been able to make  it to the states.
|>  
|> After all this is the land of the brave and home of the free
|> why be selfish??
|> **********************************
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> My dad could have managed with loans. What's the worst that could have
|> happened to him? He would have only $10,000 less in his bank account. If
|> I were to rewite history again, I would make sure he got loans instead
|> of grants. 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> A lot of American students take loans  during their 4 years as an
|> undergraduate. Why can't foreign grads do the same? Most Indian grads
|> benefit from a highly subsidised education anyway. A grad student told
|> me that IIT students pay less than 500 rupees a year for their
|> education. I am sure they can afford to take some loans. 
|> 
|> Give me one good reason why a loan won't be enough to help you finish
|> your education here.

Look, not all want to stay back in the states. What if your dad had taken
10,000$ as loan and returned to India? At the current rate of 30Rs/$ that
would mean Rs 3 lakhs. Who do you think has got that kind of money? Maybe
a miniscule few. If the Universities are subsiding foreign grads it is for
a very good reason. After all do not forget that this is a capitalist
society. By employing foreign grads they save a bundle of money. One T.A.
teaches a whole course for 3000-4000$. If a faculty member taught the 
course, it would cost them a minimum of 15,000-20,000$. Plus, there is
the question of tenure, university benefits and perks , health insurance etc 
which are hidden costs and can really blow up the bill. And there are no legal
hassles and related problems. With a foreign grad there are no such problems
and the faculty can do what universities like most, concentrate on bringing
in research money. And  foreign grads are willing to slog their hearts out
for their advisor. 

I am sure that you do not need to argue on the universities' behalf, and
if you feel so strongly about the subject of INDIAN grads, go pay your
own fees, since you seem to be able to afford it, unlike us. Also your
confining it to only INDIAN grads is extremely offensive. It took a Canadian
to point that out. And why have you crossposted it to SCC anyway?  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: cfkfb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Karl Bridges)
Subject: Immigrants with pets
Summary: Can I bring my cat from U.S. to Canada
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:26:23 GMT

 I'm considering moving to Canada and just wondered if anyone knew what
the rules were regarding bringing my pet e.g. healthy small cat.  Please
reply to me at cfkfb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu.  Thanks.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:5230 soc.culture.indian:25796
From: bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Health Insurance Policy
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:00:11 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <4775@sumax.seattleu.edu> harrity@sumax.seattleu.edu (Elan Morin Tedronai) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.133012.7486@menudo.uh.edu> mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:
>
>>What a prepostrous statement! What makes you think everybody who is in
>>here for their education wants to live here. Sorry, you are not that
>>great yet. You may be one day; but not yet. 
>
>
>So, it's good enough to come here for a subsidized education, but
>not up to snuff as regards a new home?  No flames here, just
>an honest question. It's simply one of the first things that comes to
>mind.
 
Right, you got it.

Except, where do you get that idea, that foreign students are
subsidized?

Luc B
From: "stephanie fysh" <stephanie.fysh@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: interesting facts abo
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:46:47 EST
Reply-To: "stephanie fysh" <stephanie.fysh@canrem.com>
Distribution: soc
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

THK>In article <1992Jul27.184007.14648@csi.uottawa.ca> mlantin@csi.uottawa.ca (
THK> Lantin) writes:
THK>>In article <g-lmw8d.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) wr
THK>>>If bicycle paths are so safe, why is it that most of them
THK>>>have a 15mph speed limit?
THK>>
THK>>Bicycle paths are not safe they are safer.  A lot of cyclists do not have
THK>>first clue about how to ride on a bike path.  There are a lot of accidents
THK>>on the bike paths each year which explains the speed limit.  Also pedestri
THK>>need to be protected from speeding bikes.

THK>If the net will please excuse the posting of the whole message:

THK>Maria, you have proven my point. Thge statistics I once saw showed that
THK>person-miles on the street were many times safer than person-miles on
THK>bicycle paths. Those speed limits reflect the _danger_ of bicycle paths.

No, they reflect the danger of bicycle-and-pedestrian paths.  Bicycle
paths reserved for the use *only* of bicycles are safe.

- Stephanie.
---
  SLMR 2.1a  LIFE: Well, one thing led to another, and then we died.
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario/Detroit, MI
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: anne@cs.UAlberta.CA (Anne J.R. Nield)
Subject: Re: Give me 10 reasons
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:46:11 GMT

wskelly@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (William Skelly) writes:


>I suggest we put Terry's suggestion on the negotiating table! If
>Quebec separates they have to take Brain Baby with them! 


I love it!  I can see the final moments of the great constitutional
debate -- with Joe Clark and the 9 ROC premiers on one side, Bourassa
on the other, Mulroney in the middle.  "YOU take him!"  No, NO, YOU
take him; you promised!"  "He goes with you or no deal."  "All right,
then, you have to give us British Columbia!"  "Uhhhh..."
With any luck, BM would sneak out in the middle of all this and go
on a permanent fishing trip with his buddy George.

An

Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:5188 soc.culture.indian:25660
From: pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Pravin Devineni Ratnam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Health Insurance Policy
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:32:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8ePPTaS00WBOQ4jYlO
	<1992Jul21.063721.2575@reed.edu>
Organization: Senior, IM - MCS/CIT Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

The Phoenix writes:
*********************************
I really don't know what your problem is, but before
you take the high moral ground in all these issues let
me just remind you that if not for tuition waivers or
humane immigrations policies people in your parents 
generation may not have been able to make  it to the states.
 
After all this is the land of the brave and home of the free
why be selfish??
**********************************



My dad could have managed with loans. What's the worst that could have
happened to him? He would have only $10,000 less in his bank account. If
I were to rewite history again, I would make sure he got loans instead
of grants. 



A lot of American students take loans  during their 4 years as an
undergraduate. Why can't foreign grads do the same? Most Indian grads
benefit from a highly subsidised education anyway. A grad student told
me that IIT students pay less than 500 rupees a year for their
education. I am sure they can afford to take some loans. 

Give me one good reason why a loan won't be enough to help you finish
your education here.
From: PLAWS@UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU (Peter Laws)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Linguistic Intolerance
Date: 28 Jul 1992 11:37:45 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


>to minority francophones in the remaining
>9 English provinces? They cuould be screwed
>good.... :(

 It wouldn't be as good as the screwing english speaking Quebecers get
now......

================================================================================
Peter Laws            |"The '90s are gonna make the '60s|    pcl@engr.uark.edu
n5uwy@ka5bml.ar.usa.na| look like the '50s"--D. Hopper  | plaws@uafsysb.bitnet
From: fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu (Aaron Priven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Radio Program "As it Happens" Question
Date: 24 Jul 1992 18:02:33 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (College Eight)
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu
Keywords: 10,000 miles from Reading


In article <1992Jul23.235607.16626@cs.sfu.ca> jamie@cs.sfu.ca (Jamie Andrews) writes:
>     By the way, what do American listeners of "As It Happens"
>think of their coverage of Canadian and American issues?

I do get tired of turning on As It Happens and listening to the
stories for the day and finding nothing important about Canadian
affairs. I suppose MOST American listeners of AIH are probably
interested in the foreign affairs coverage, but I strongly dislike
the days when the most important Canadian issues discussed are the
B.C. sea monster (not the Ogopogo, something in the ocean) and the
horse in PEI that has to be killed because of probate laws.

 =Aaron= 
-- 
Aaron Priven, aaronrp@ucscb.ucsc.edu or fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu
        "Men make history, but they do not do so under 
         conditions of their own choosing." -- Karl Marx
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Questionnaire
Keywords: Questionnaire-foreign-born-parents
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:45:53 GMT
Distribution: qc
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada

In article <1992Jul27.151210.14766@cc.umontreal.ca> irwin@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Irwin David) writes:
>
>If yourself or your parents were born in a country other than Canada you 
>qualify as a respondent. 
>-- 
>David Henderson Irwin				E-mail: irwin@ere.umontreal.ca

If my grand-mother is born in USA, do my father qualify?
My grand-mother is born in Mass., but her family returned back to native
village later. 
-- 
  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
 /   \   Genealogiste officiel : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Barthelemy Jarret (1471) -> Andre Jarret, sieur de Beauregard (1665)
\_.-===   -> Denis Beauregard (1992)                  Opinions ? Et pis non !
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Public Access Unix Publique in/a` Montreal -- Info, SVP?
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 05:06:57 GMT


Would anybody know of a Public Access Unix in available in the
Montreal (516) local calling area?  A friend of mind told me that
the information from alt.bbs was a dead end ... )-;

Est-ce qu'il y a une systeme Unix publique disponible a` Montreal
(code de lieu 516)?  Il m'a dit qu'une addresse dans alt.bbs pour 
une systeme etait mauvais ... )-;

gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare				Elections 1992-93:
> gld@cunixB.cc.columbia.EDU		* Jean Chretien (Canada)
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			* Perot^H^H^H^H^H Elvis! (USA)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: amcgrath@psychnet.psychol.utas.edu.au (Alyson McGrath)
Subject: student fees
Summary: What are overseas student fees at Mcmaster uni., ontario.
Keywords: Australia, canada, study
Organization: Psychology Department, University of Tasmania
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:40:44 GMT

To who ever may be of help,

I am an Australian considering undertaking a second bachelor degree 
in canada. Would some body be able to inform me of the overseas student fees 
I would be likely to pay. I am interested in studying in the health Science 
department of McMaster University. After reading a letter from a overseas 
student in Canada, on the email system, I become quite concerned about fees. 
From my understanding the fees would be approximately $10 000 per academic 
year.
I would also be interested in learning current social and polictical 
Canadian information as down here, in Tasmania, it is hard to come by.

Thank you 
	Alyson
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.general,can.francais
From: maryelen@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Mary Ellen )
Subject: Re: QUESTIONNAIRE: French-Language Education Francophone Hors-Quebec
Organization: Industry Science & Technology Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:13:22 GMT

In article <CLAMEN.92Jul29155623@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU> clamen@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen) writes:

>0)  How many francophones are there in the province/territory? 
>    [Hitherto "province" means "province or territory"]

Sorry, can't answer this one (about 10,000 or less - feel free to correct 
me!)

>1)  Does the province support French-language (ie. French as a first
>    language) public schools? 
>    [Include general locations if available.]

Yes, there is one in Dartmouth (Francophone Shannon), and several on the 
South Shore (where the majority of Acadians live) - esp. Clare-Argyle 
School Board. There may also be others.

>2)  Does the local francophone population find these services>    
adequate? (ie. have there been popular complaints?)

As far as I know, yes.

>3)  Are there plans to improve the quality/availability of such
>    schools? 

Not as far as I know!

>A related question:
>-------------------

>A)  Does the province provide French-immersion schools for interested
>    non-francophones?  How popular are these schools?

Yes, these are very popular - the first couple of such classes have just 
graduated from high school, and enrollment is growing at the elementary 
level. However, at the same time our core French program (non-immersion) is 
being cut back at the lowest levels, to great public outcry!

>--
>Stewart M. Clamen                      Internet:    clamen@cs.cmu.edu
>School of Computer Science             UUCP:        uunet!"clamen@cs.cmu.edu"
>Carnegie Mellon University             Phone:       +1 412 268 2145
>5000 Forbes Avenue                     Fax:         +1 412 268 5739
>Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890, USA

From: Mary Foster (just graduated from high school - non immersion, non 
francophone), Halifax, NS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.indian
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: French/English status after independence
Date: 21 Jul 92 06:08:06 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <BrnqvH.17F@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis 
Beauregard) writes:
>
>Your comparison is not the best.  I would say how is viewed an
>anglophone who grow in Montreal and speak no French compared to
>someone who grow in USA.  In the first case, it is perceived as
>insulting for a francophone : so close to our area and considering
>as foreigners those living here for 350 years.

I would agree with that.  I find it rather astonishing that there would
even *be* people who grew up in Montreal and hadn't learned French.  Of
course, you have to blame their parents as well - after a certain age it
becomes much more difficult to become fluent in a second language.  

>Or somewhat
>racist (considering French as a low-level language).

There is a similar thing in the USA, where Spanish is often considered
inferior to English as first language and to French as a second language.
It's odd that a knowledge of French would be considered a mark of culture
in the USA, but not in Canada.

-- 

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: elsmith@iastate.edu (Earl L Smith)
Subject: Re: Linguistic Intolerance
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:09:48 GMT

In article <Brx5B9.3pH@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:
My Canada includes the Quebec et j'ai appris le
>francais pour mieux l'apprecier, or Quebec is my friend because I chose
>my friends.  

Cher ami, MOI, je peux le dire.  

>
>-- 
>  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
> /   \   Genealogiste officiel : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
>J   __>  Barthelemy Jarret (1471) -> Andre Jarret, sieur de Beauregard (1665)
>\_.-===   -> Denis Beauregard (1992)                  Opinions ? Et pis non !


Earl (Benoi^t) Smith                                          _|\ |`'| /|_
elsmith@iastate.edu                                           \  V    V  /
Dept. of Chemistry, Iowa State University                      >________<
On peut m'e'crire en francais si l'on veut.                         !

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.indian
From: prabhak@cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Health Insurance Policy
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:11:37 GMT

If only Americans would have the patience to stay back in school
for graduate and post-graduate study, they will have deans of
multiple schools calling them to give them *free* aid.

A friend of mine, a college professor, says that there are many
Uncle Sam fellowships just for the asking to those who pursue
doctoral studies (even in Medieval Folk Dancing :-)). See, they
don't even have to work like the poor grad students who get
assistantships.

I bet that foreign students will not get as many assistantships
if only sufficient number of Americans choose to compete with them
for graduate admissions.

Satya Prabhakar 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: ramstack_m@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: American seeking francophone penpals
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:21:33 GMT

Bonjour a tout le monde!

Not to upset those of you who feel strongly about the French/English issue, but
I felt my salutation was necessary.  I am an American studying at the
University of Colorado at Boulder and am interested in contacting students who
would like to correspond in French. (I imagine that about half of you just got
sick and logged off. I'm sorry, but I just can't help poking a little fun at my
neighbors to the North.)  Il est possible que j'etudie a l'Universite de Rennes
a Bretagne pendant le printemps de 1993. Je voudrais contacter les etudiants
francophone pour practiquer mon francais. Si vous voulez, vous pouvez me
contacter a:

ramstack@ucsu.colorado.edu (unix)
ou
ramstack@cubldr.colorado.edu

J'espere de recevoir beaucoup de lettres. Merci a tous!

Matt Ramstack
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:5370 can.general:3609
From: tmcfarla@fraser.sfu.ca (Tara McFarlane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.general
Subject: Re: French/English status after independence
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:40:39 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

irwin@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Irwin David) writes:

>In article <tmcfarla.712268455@sfu.ca> tmcfarla@fraser.sfu.ca (Tara McFarlane) writes:
>quebec is becoming a fascist state in which
>>the ruling elite are using nationalism to stage an illegitimate power grab.


>Well that's a way of seeing things! While you're at it why didn't you refer
>to concentration camps for the english speaking population of Quebec.

well i could have mentioned indian reserves and oka, but that's another 
discussion.
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.general