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From: dejesus@pluto.nwc.navy.mil (Francisco X DeJesus)
Subject: Re: THE LAST COMMAND prediction (SA!)
Organization: Science Applications International Corp.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:12:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.173303.3221@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> hatcher@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Donald L.C. Blewett) writes:
[...]
>Also, while reading DARK FORCE RISING, Mara mentioned that Vader had lost his
>hand at the battle of Yavin in Star Wars.  Was I seeing things or did she 
>really say this?  I don't remember any damage to Vader in Star Wars at all,
>I always thoughts that Vader lost his real hand in the past when he was mangled
>and took on the persona of Vader.  Please help me out.

I may be wrong, but the way I remember reading it stated that it was the
Emperor who took Vader's hand for his failure at Yavin (when the first DS
was destroyed by the rebels). Seems very possible to me...
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From: marc@cfmu.eurocontrol.be (Marc Philips)
Subject: Re: RPG - "Haste"-question
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 13:21:44 GMT
Organization: Eurocontrol - Central Flow Management Unit

I know "cartoon boy" and Nathaniel Pryce already provided an answer to this
question but I have a different opinion, so here's my 0.7 BEF (about 2 cents)
on the subject.

In article <1992Dec27.215232.12343@ifi.unizh.ch> knecht@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (knecht roland) writes:
> If the player declares an action and double haste, will that be two
> actions ("action" and "double haste" - Penalty 1D) or three actions
> ("action" + "haste"+ "haste" - Penalty 2D)?
Three actions - Penalty 2D (we all agree on that).

> If it is only two actions - what keeps the player from declaring "one
> billion haste" to surely be the first one who acts?
1,000,000,001 actions - Penalty 1,000,000,000D

> The player declares two actions (2 shots) and a "haste". Does the
> haste-action affect both shots or just one of them? Does every "normal"
> action need a separate "haste-action"?
Contrary to what Nathaniel said, you declare haste on it's own.
A haste is just an action allowing you to do things fast.  When you
declare a haste you are faster at everything you're doing during the
round.
In this case, the penalty would be 2D.

> The player declares three actions (shots). The first shall be with
> tripple-haste, the second with double-haste and the last with normal
> haste. Would that be 6 haste-actions (3+2+1) or 3 (tripple-haste) or just
> one (one "tripple-haste-action")?
The Rules Companion says something like (I don't have it at hand) "A character
can always act at lower haste levels than declared by the player".
In the above example, the player should declare 3 actions and three hastes
(Penality 5D).
When triple-haste actions are resolved, he'll shoot once and say he wishes to
pospose the remaining actions.

> In article <1993Jan1.125318.26252@fy.chalmers.se> he adds
> In the Rules Companion (are there more than one?) on page 14 there are
> "Optional Haste Rules". A character declares speed-action (2H), shot (1H),
> shot(1H), speed(1H) - I would say: 9 actions (2 speed, 2 shots, 5 haste).
> But they talk about an penalty of 5D (instead of 8D). A bug in the book?
No, that's 2 speeds, 2 shots and 2 hastes - Penalty 5D

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From: jtl2447@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.T. Liu)
Subject: Re: THE LAST COMMAND prediction (SA!)
Originator: jtl2447@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:18:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.021409.8940@lut.ac.uk> L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk (Lloyd Wood) writes:
>aI think it's obvious (spoiler)
>
>
>
>Winter is the Empire's Delta Source. Who else has:
>been introduced
>been around for two books
>not done anything

I agree.

>
>is not a character from the movie?
>
>Oh and Mara Jade will die.

I don't know about that, I think Luke is going to marry her.
From: joshuali@usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
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Subject: Played X-Wing
Date: 11 Jan 1993 10:59:59 -0800
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I just got back from the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas over the
wend. LucasArts game division had a booth and they were showing off 
X-Wing. I saw it running on a 486 with the grphics se to most detaiailed.
It ran very smoothly and will be a GREAT thing to have when it comes out.
WHEN it comes out...:). They said it will be released in Feb.
You could fly an X-wing, A-wing, or a Y-wing. The first mission disk to
be released will let you fly a B-wing. 
I watched the representitive play some kind of cargo destruction mission.
It was cool because if you direct hit a ship you could look out your 
rear view and watch it blow up slowly as you flew away. Explosions looked
great, but the sound didn't sound as good as I thought they would be.
I don't think that they were directly digitized.

They also were previewing a new Star Wars CD ROM game for the PC due to be
released in the Fall of this year. It was called Star Wars: Rebel Assault.
Guys....this will be great. I played a little of what seemed to be an
enormous sized game. I think it was more or less a simulator but it had
some flm footage digitized and was awsome. I played a sequence that was
a T-16 Skyhopper flying through some kind of canyon (probably Begger's
Canyon) chasing after some ships.  This will be great.

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From: jeffy@cray.com (Jeffrey Neau)
Subject: Re: x-wings??????   why?????
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:51:45 CST

In article <1993Jan12.133539.1@nickel.laurentian.ca> s1400070@nickel.laurentian.ca writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.133543.14393@fy.chalmers.se>, f92bjsa@fy.chalmers.se (Bjorn Sandberg) writ 
>> Ok, whatever the reason for SPREADING the wings is, what is the reason
>> for pulling them in?
>> 
>> I think that while traveling through hyperspace, it is a concern to minimize the ship's area, so that particles will hit the ship more seldom. I know, pulling the wings closer to the ship doesn't decrease the area, but what about hyperspace gas laws? A 
>> 
>> Besides, it would be a little hard to land with the wings spread out...
>> 
>> 
>> C-3PO: Sir, the possibility of successfully navigating an asteroid field is approximately three thousand, seven hundred and twenty to one.
>> 
>> Han: Never tell me the odds!
>> 
>> 		-- BJORN
>
>
>     This leads me to another question about this fictional space travel:  
>What exactly is hyperspace?  I understand the concept of the Star Trek
>engines.  In essence a warp field is placed over the ship and it is this
>field pocket which travels through space and the ship just happens to be in it.
>   What is the overall concept of hyperspace?  This could lead to alot of
>explanation on this x-wing business.
>                                         John
>

I thought hyperspace was when you hit a button and were placed somewhere else
at random.
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From: umpatel8@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daywin Patel)
Subject: List of Lucas Films
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:58:11 GMT

Could someone please post a list of films that George Lucas has worked on?

Thanks.


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From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Subject: Zahn's books
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:04:52 GMT

Is it just me or are Zahn's books really pointlos and boring?

				John
From: lebeld@JSP.UMontreal.CA (David Lebel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Luke and Leia confusion
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:58:37 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal -- Montreal, PQ, Canada

>
>How about this?  If Leia is Vader's daughter and Luke's sister, she must've
>always had a certain amount of the force, even though she didn't know it.
>How come Vader didn't sense it in the first movie when he was two inches in
>front of her?  
>
	I remember Vader saying to his boss (never remember his name) that
Leia have a good resistance to mind probes... Maybe the force helped her,
without her knowing it. Who knows.


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From: littaum@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Mike Littau)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Questions
Date: 11 Jan 1993 00:16:22 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
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After watching Return of the Jedi about 5 times on Showtime in the past 
month, I've noticed a few things that seemed quirky:

1>  In the final fight, it appeared that all you needed to do to waste those
expensive star destroyers (and the excelsior as well) is to blow up the
ball things on top and then ram into the main command part of the ships.
Whoever designed the things shoulda been choked by Darth Vader.  

2>  Is it just me, or was the Wedge character seriously underdeveloped?  
The guy managed to survive the first death star trench battle, the hoth
at-at battle, *AND* the second death star battle.  Plus it doesn't make
sense that Lando Calrissian was some mining platform owner who manages
to rise quickly in the rebel ranking system (and apparantly higher than
Wedge, since Lando commandeered the fighter attack, while Wedge was just
a "sub-set" leader).  I guess it's just who ya know, eh?

I know that the star wars series is hardly a perfect & logical thing.  But
I was just wondering.
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Subject: Re: Questions
From: kgassner@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:07:03 CST
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
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> Even if the battle as a whole is offensive in nature, the
> SD role is always to defend itself and nearby assets while providing 
> firepower and basing support to the offensive elmenets (the TIEs).

At some points the star destroyers don't send out any ties but seek close
combat themselves. So when one attacks Leias ship, when they pursue the Falcon
off Tattooin(sp) or when they try to intercept the freighter and its fighter
escort (!) in ESB.

> Well, the most obvious thing for the rebels to shoot at is the
> shield generator (the white ball). Once the shield protecting the generator
> failed, the next shot would (did) strip the SD of it's shield.

That makes sense, but leads to another question: The screens of a SD seem to
be awfully weak for a ship that size. In none of the battles there's any sign
of a shielding effect. None of the shots fired terminate without hitting their
target, the ion cannon pierced clear through any shield, the asteroid that hit
one SD in TESB hit right home and even a single fighter managed to blast away
the bridge shield of the executor. Is there any scene when a shield actually
protects a SD from something?

> All in all, I wouldn't fault the designers.

Oh, i would fault them for placing vital parts of the ship on the outside and
even outside of the armour. You could argue that the shield generator for some
reason needs to be the outermost part, but a bridge definitely does not belong
into a vulnerable tower with large windows but into the well-armoured belly of
the ship. You don't steer a battleship by sight (though I admit that it looks
awfully cool).

Bye
		Klaus

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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: Favourite Scene (Han + Leia)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:40:23 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1993Jan3.170930.9841@ac.dal.ca> novanet@ac.dal.ca writes:
>My favourite scene wasn't scientific. It was just kind of interesting. 
>In The Empire Strikes Back, at the very end, Han is being encased in 
>carbonite. 
>Leia- I love you!
>Han- I know. 
>This continues throughout the movies, and is kind of funny. 

I read in an interview with Harrison Ford that said he came up with this
comeback.. The script originally said "Han:  I love you, too", but Ford
took it to Lucas and said that it was totally out of character with the
always in-control/always smart-guy Han Solo.  Lucas agreed and the line
was changed.

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From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: THE LAST COMMAND prediction (SA!)
Date: 13 Jan 1993 03:33:10 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <93012.163105DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>  But if Yavin was such a failure on Vader's part, why did Vader go on
>to effectively become the Supreme Commander of the Imperial forces? And
>what did Vader do at Yavin that constituted "failure"?  Wasn't Yavin
>basically Tarkin's gaffe?  This is a point where I think Zahn was really
>stretching.
>
>"Let's do some damage, shall we?" - GBI

	Well, we only have Mara's word on this.  I can't remember where she
said this so I don't know whether there were ysalmiri around or not, but
couldn't she be trying to maintain some sort of power over Luke?
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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: Another error?
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:37:02 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1993Jan04.124236.15438@watson.ibm.com> roy@trigger.watson.ibm.com writes:
>In <1992Dec31.233918.7198@ll.mit.edu> shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham) writes:
>
>>Also note: Never had any other saber suffered from "shortening", which puts
>>the "viewer angle" counter-theory in serious doubt.
>>
>>I really recommend you rewatch the Ben-Vader duel scene and look for this
>>saber-shortening. It really is there.
>>
>
>I have watched it many times looking for exactly what you are talking
>about.  I saw no shortening.  I saw Ben standing, facing the camera,
>with Vader between him and the camera (Ben on left of screen, Vader
>on right).  Ben is backing up, Vader is teasing him, thrusting the saber
>periodically.  Ben is using little circular motions to fend off the
>attacks.  Ben's saber appears short in this scene, but it is because
>it and Ben are facing the camera.
>
To take this even further, I remember seeing a "Making of Star Wars" show
in the early 80's (perhaps made pre-TESB).  In it, they explained that they
used this type of angle footage discreetly to show the extension of the
light saber.  The actor would start pointing the prop saber (which was
fully extended, always was) at the camera.  Then, using a switch on the hilt
to distract from the "slight of hand", the actor would slowly turn the blade
so it appeared to lengthen in the two-dimensional camera frame.  The sfx
folks would later add colour....

>I think you are confused with a scene in "Spaceballs" - "My schwartz is
> bigger than your schwartz!".
>
Ditto.Ditto.

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From: dbrod@eng.clemson.edu (Douglas Brod)
Subject: Dewbacks
Reply-To: dbrod@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:32:56 GMT

While I was watching _Star Wars_ last night, I noticed that there is a Dewback in 
the background of some of the Mos Eisley spaceport scenes.  I think it is the 
"These aren't the droids you are looking for" scene.  The Dewback is standing next
 to a building.  He moves his head slightly at one point.

As for the fact that Cliff Clavin is one of the Rebel generals in TESB, there is 
one shot where you can see a profile of his face and it is CLEARLY him.  It's right
when they shut the doors to the Hoth base when Han and Luke are out in the cold.

Doug Brod
 

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From: bstdenis@mailbox.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com (Brian St. Denis)
Subject: Re: Ben's Lightsaber
Organization: Fort Worth Research and Development Center, Motorola, Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:41:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.172557.29357@sei.cmu.edu> bowman@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu (Carl Bowman) writes:
>I did a frame-by-frame search of the lightsaber scene between Ben Kenobi
>and Darth Vader.  In EVERY instance where Ben's saber is short, it is because
>Ben's hands have his saber pointed TOWARD the camera.  If you don't have good
>frame-by-frame, simply watch Ben's hands.  This is an error on the actor's 
>part.  He simply didn't understand that he had to hold the saber parallel to
>the camera even if he was facing the camera.  Let's stop this nonsense about 
>the saber, please.  The saber is long during the fight when it is facing the
>proper direction.
>
>Vader's saber IS green for a second as the doors are closing.
>
>I have a large screen TV, Surround Sound, and multiple VCRs.  I feel very
>confident about my assesment of the lightsaber scene.

On my new 27" tv, from VCR tape, Vader's saber is Green after the fight with
Ben.  It is the same "illuminating" (read gives off light) color as Ben's was
before he dies.

-Brian

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From: watters@darwin.genetics.washington.edu (Mike Watters)
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Subject: Re: Zahn's books
Date: 7 Jan 1993 18:47:36 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
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In article <1993Jan7.174620.29317@cc.umontreal.ca> kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas) writes:
>In article <ts#@byu.edu> julie@bones.et.byu.edu writes:
>>Zahn's books are very formulaic and poorly written, and I found them
>>very disappointing.  I'm surprised Lucas allowed such a thing to be
>>done, but I guess it's anything for a buck anymore.
>>
>>"You could use a good kiss!"		JULIE
>
>I kind of liked the Zahn books and look forward to the third one.
>Since you say that, perhaps they could have been much better after
>all, but they were not as bad as the following: I just bought the
>"Han Solo Adventures" by Brian Daley, and halfway through the
>first story (after a most pathetic dogfight section) I was bored
>out of my wits. What a monotonous style of writing, and story.
>
>I have seen people post the opposite, oh well...
>-- 
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I would mostly agree.  I've only read the first of the Zahn books and found
it tolerably interesting.  Not a thriller, but not trash.  Likewise, I've only
read one of the Han Solo books from Daley.  (Han Solo at Star's End or something
like that).  To be accurate, I only read PART of that one book.  I stomached it
for the first 1/2 of the book, praying it would get better.  It didn't, so I let
out a big yawn, tucked it away on the bookshelf and never looked at it again.

mike

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From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: x-wings??????   why?????
Date: 12 Jan 1993 16:43:49 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
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In article <1993Jan12.133539.1@nickel.laurentian.ca> s1400070@nickel.laurentian.ca writes:
:In article <1993Jan12.133543.14393@fy.chalmers.se>, f92bjsa@fy.chalmers.se (Bjorn Sandberg) writ 
:> Ok, whatever the reason for SPREADING the wings is, what is the reason
:> for pulling them in?
:> 
:> I think that while traveling through hyperspace, it is a concern to minimize the ship's area, so that particles will hit the ship more seldom. I know, pulling the wings closer to the ship doesn't decrease the area, but what about hyperspace gas laws? A 
:> 
:> Besides, it would be a little hard to land with the wings spread out...
:> 
:> 
:> C-3PO: Sir, the possibility of successfully navigating an asteroid field is approximately three thousand, seven hundred and twenty to one.
:> 
:> Han: Never tell me the odds!
:> 
:> 		-- BJORN


:     This leads me to another question about this fictional space travel:  
:What exactly is hyperspace?  I understand the concept of the Star Trek
:engines.  In essence a warp field is placed over the ship and it is this
:field pocket which travels through space and the ship just happens to be in it.
:   What is the overall concept of hyperspace?  This could lead to alot of
:explanation on this x-wing business.
:                                         John

As I understand it, Hyperspace is a "mirror" dimention that can only be
entred when travelling at (or faster than) the speed of light.  In this
other dimention, lines are supposed to be "straighter" than in the
normal universe, making it possible to travel long distances in shorter
periods of time than in the normal universe.

	Thanks
	Robert Fentiman

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