HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: aldis@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Aldis Ozols)
Newsgroups: alt.society.futures
Subject: Re: Future Civilization advances
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:26:03 GMT
Organization: Kralizec Dialup Unix Sydney: +61-2-837-1183 V.32

jackc@vermont.mips.com (Jack Choquette) writes:


>versatile and powerful language.  I don't mean english.  There is one
>language that has been developed but I can't remember its name.

I think the language you are referring to is Esperanto.  This is based
on Spanish, with some input from other languages.  There are said to
be about 500,000 Esperanto speakers today.  Personally, I don't think
it'll work like that - languages tend to evolve organically, and I 
doubt if a completely preplanned human language will ever 'take'.

>|> Roger Whitehead
>|> 
>|> PS  Given the sketchy plots and laughable characterisation of most science
>|> fiction (definitely low art), reference to it is unlikely to give you a
>|> subtle or profound view of the future.

As a long-time SF reader, I can only say that Roger's comment is flame 
fuel and little else.  However, I'm not going to waste my time on it.
If you want comprehensive refutation, just say that on rec.arts.sf.written
and stand well clear!  ;-)

>am asking for references to find the small handful of good SF books, or
>other books, out there that may fit my needs; and I know they are out there.

Some of the best books in this category are, IMHO:


_Schismatrix_ and _Islands in the Net_ by Bruce Sterling
_Earth_ by David Brin
_The Player of Games_, _Use of Weapons_ and _The State of the Art_ by Iain Ban
_The Helix and the Sword_ by John C McLoughlin

Plus several works by John Varley, Arthur C Clarke, and William Gibson,
the names of which I can't recall.

Aldis Ozols
_
Newsgroups: alt.society.sovereign
From: viggo@norway
Subject: test 2
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AS
Distribution: alt.society.sovereign
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:30:03 GMT



PLEASE IGNORE.  THIS IS JUST A TEST!
From: bg055@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stewart Rowe)
Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberties
Subject: Re: Pursestrings
Date: 27 Sep 1992 21:20:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Neither Reagan nor Bush ever submitted a balanced budget.
Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberties
From: "paul bobbitt" <paul.bobbitt@canrem.com>
Subject: history of forfeiture
Reply-To: "paul bobbitt" <paul.bobbitt@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 2 Oct 92 11:13:08 EST

GM>How long do you think it will be
GM>before the authorities start to confiscate the autos of people
GM>suspected of drunk driving ?

GM>As far as I can see, this isn't going to stop until we abolish the
GM>siezure laws entirely.  IMHO, they violate the fifth amendment of the
GM>Constitution, and result in gross abuse of power by those branches of
GM>government which implement them.

Is your problem with the confiscation of the autos of people SUSPECTED
of drunk driving, or with the confiscation in general?  

For my part, I would praise any government that chose to confiscate the
vehicle of someone found guilty of drunk driving.  I would simply view
it as the removal of a dangerous weapon from someone incapable of
following the rules of its use.

'Course, I'm Canadian and that may taint my views on your perceptions
of "rights" somewhat.

Paul D. Bobbitt
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Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberties
From: "paul bobbitt" <paul.bobbitt@canrem.com>
Subject: mark-of-the-bea$t bar
Reply-To: "paul bobbitt" <paul.bobbitt@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 1 Oct 92 10:05:36 EST

ME>               The UPC bar-codes are probably the most blatant form of
ME>          the "MARK OF THE BEA$T" so far, with the "NUMBER OF THE
ME>          BEA$T", 666, ALREADY CODED INTO THEM.  Each of the so-called
ME>          "guard patterns", pairs of thin lines spaced close together
ME>          at the beginning, middle, and end of each full-length UPC
ME>          bar-code, is IDENTICAL to one of the two codes for a 6.

Unfortunately any scripture can become a self-fulfilling prophecy.  We
have no idea whether or not some programmer decided to play a little 
joke by programming the guard patterns as 666 just to see how many
Fundies he could stir up.

If this is the case, he's probably quite pleased with himself...

Paul D. Bobbitt
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From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberties
Subject: Re: history of forfeiture
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:47:28 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Oct2.2545.5036@dosgate>, paul.bobbitt@canrem.com (paul bobbitt) writes:
> GM>How long do you think it will be
> GM>before the authorities start to confiscate the autos of people
> GM>suspected of drunk driving ?
> 
> GM>As far as I can see, this isn't going to stop until we abolish the
> GM>siezure laws entirely.  IMHO, they violate the fifth amendment of the
> GM>Constitution, and result in gross abuse of power by those branches of
> GM>government which implement them.
> 
> Is your problem with the confiscation of the autos of people SUSPECTED
> of drunk driving, or with the confiscation in general?  

The former, obviously.  There is no trial, and you have to sue to get
your own property back.  The burden of proof is on you to prove your
innocence.

> For my part, I would praise any government that chose to confiscate the
> vehicle of someone found guilty of drunk driving.  I would simply view
> it as the removal of a dangerous weapon from someone incapable of
> following the rules of its use.

How would you view the confiscation of person's vehicle for propositioning
a streetwalker, or for possession (just possession) of drugs?  Both are
currently being done in selected municipalities.  This is BEFORE their
trial now -- if there ever is a trial.
-- 

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From: James.Spaith@bbs.oit.unc.edu (James Spaith)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: First Homosexual experience
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:24:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

Given that almost everyone, it seems, unfortunately, on the Net is male,
couldn't you count this kind of interaction as a sort of homosexual
experience?

Have fun!

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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: cadwell@rad.psu.edu (Brian Cadwell)
Subject: Strange but Funny
Reply-To: cadwell@rad.psu.edu
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:38:15 GMT

Some people may have not seen this. A friend sent it to me.

bc

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: snopes%club33@stlth.enet.dec.com (snopes)
Subject: Stone Age Sex
Organization: Just put everything on the floor; I can find it.
Date: 23 SEP 92 07:53:35    


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Reprinted w/o permission from "In", a weekly Boston newspaper.

"Se non e vero, e ben trovato."

Otztal Valley, ITALY -- The mainstream media reported widely on "Otzi",
the 5,477-year-old Stone Age man found mummified in a melting glacier
high in the Italian Tyrolean Alps.  The U.S. media did not, however, share
a gripping detail that was reported in Italy, Austria, Switzerland and
elsewhere: there was sperm in Otzi's anal canal.

"The Tyrolean scholars have not given this little detail any special
significance," according to _Lambda Nachrichten_, the magazine of
Homosexual Initiative Vienna, Austria's leading gay organization,
"but there can only be one explanation: Otzi had sex with another man
in the Alps!"

"The tight-assed Tyrolean scholars were very uncomfortable even having
to acknowledge it," _Lambda_ said, "but Otzi is the first known homosexual
man that enjoyed being fucked. ...Otzi was the passive partner--of this
there is absolutely no doubt...The sperm has been carbon-dated."

Otzi, named for the Otztal Valley on the Italian/Austrian border, was
found intact from the day he possibly froze to death in a flash snowstorm,
in 3485 B.C.  He was discovered by hikers.

Aged 25-35, Otzi was probably a herdsman from a nearby valley settlement.
He was carrying a copper ax, a quiver and arrows, a dagger with a flint blade,
a woven grass sheath, and a wooden backpack frame, among other things.

He had tattoos on his back.  His only jewelry was a small stone disk with thin
leather strips pulled through it, knotted at the top and free at the bottom.
His clothes were leather.

According to the Zurich, Switzerland, newspaper _Blick_: "Since the homosexual
innuendo has made the rounds, polititians in the North and South Tyrol regions
suddenly have less interest in poor Otzi.  Even the souvenir business has
dropped off.  And in Otztal they're afraid they're going to end up being
called 'Homo Valley'."

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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: briansp@css.itd.umich.edu (Brian Spolarich)
Subject: Re: <None>
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:37:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.153255.17203@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jon@Turing.ORG (Jon Gefaell (KD4CQY)) writes:
>In article <1992Oct3.192819.1@acad.drake.edu> jmk011@acad.drake.edu writes:
>>I was Just wondering if anyone in the IOWA area would be interested in helping
>>me with my first HOMOSEXUAL experience.  I have had hetro. sex but am always
>>open to new things.  Please post to let me know as I am using a friends
>>account. 
>>

>These postings are always such a joy! a celebration of the rebirth of
>the academic year! Welcome back Students! We love you each and every
>one! 
>
>Oh, and don't forget to log out when you're done!

  Tush, child.  This is one of the joys of Internet.  
  have fun, Oliver, and play safe.

  -brian
From: jon@Turing.ORG (Jon Gefaell (KD4CQY))
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:32:55 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

In article <1992Oct3.192819.1@acad.drake.edu> jmk011@acad.drake.edu writes:
>I was Just wondering if anyone in the IOWA area would be interested in helping
>me with my first HOMOSEXUAL experience.  I have had hetro. sex but am always
>open to new things.  Please post to let me know as I am using a friends
>account. 
>
>Thanks! (In advance)
>
>Oliver
>
>
>

These postings are always such a joy! a celebration of the rebirth of
the academic year! Welcome back Students! We love you each and every
one! 

Oh, and don't forget to log out when you're done!
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Please write
From: cracker@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:25:24 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

Hi, I am writing for a friend who is kind of shy.  He is a sensitive type of
guy who is in to bestuality and flowers.  He is VERY interested in meeting men
like him.  If you are interested, write him at...
			C. Cockran
			Gage A 1124
			Mankato, Mn 56002
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: jmk011@acad.drake.edu
Subject: <None>
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 01:28:19 GMT

I was Just wondering if anyone in the IOWA area would be interested in helping
me with my first HOMOSEXUAL experience.  I have had hetro. sex but am always
open to new things.  Please post to let me know as I am using a friends
account. 

Thanks! (In advance)

Oliver



Newsgroups: alt.peeves,alt.tasteless
From: schwae@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Eric A. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Woe is Me
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:28:02 GMT

In article <Bv5L8o.1v5@acsu.buffalo.edu> v222p9ns@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (A PFC, AND DAMNED PROUD TO BE) writes:
>
>	Or, as a friend of mine used to say to me after a heavy night of 
>drinking, "How about a nice, greasy pork sandwich, with some mayonnaise that is
>just starting to turn yellow and hard around the edges?" 
>
..."served in a dirty ashtray."  -_Wierd Science_

E.S.
From: dre@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (I would like to return this TOBACCONIST; it is scratched)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: on men
Date: 5 Oct 92 04:36:57 GMT
Organization: The San Jose Home for Perverted Hackers

breitenm@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Geo) writes:

>	(3) We can write our names in the snow without squatting.

We can write our names in the snow without muddling the letters with
footprints.
-- 
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 I would have been out of jail by now."
	-- A newly-divorced guy I met at a block party
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
Subject: Lowest Common Denominator (Was: Boss Peeve)
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<9209280110.aa09543@crisco.sco.COM>
	<1992Sep28.213723.1349@parsifal.umkc.edu>
	<lch0ejINN3as@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> <lch9pvINN9d@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:18:37 GMT

<In article <lch9pvINN9d@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> banta@blagg.Eng.Sun.COM (242 lbs before cooking) writes:

<   I don't patronize McDonald, Burger Thing, or any other fast-fud joint.
<   The reason is simple.  The cater to the median 80% of the populace.
<   Pick any large segment of the population, and you can bet that they're
<   ignoring the fringed and going right down the center.

	Precisely. From time to time, I am dragged into one of
	these places by someone who insists on "treating" me
	to lunch.

ObPeeve: "treats" that are more like torture.

<   The result of this is they're bland.
	
	Because they are oriented towards The New American 
	Person (AKA see the subject line).

<   Fast food is the pulp novel of dining.

	When in Las Cruces, eat at Dick's Cafe.....pulp
	novel, it ain't.

Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com (A. Jing Hippy)
Subject: Re: Food Pheromones
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 20:09:03 GMT
Organization: A Suffusion of Yellow
Keywords: Peace Is Our Profession

booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards) writes: 
| 
| One genuine peeve about those places is those fries. THey contain some
| magic pheromone that makes a person feel hungry. I have walked in with
| friends (not to buy stuff, but to keep said friends company) after full
| meals and have gotten hungry from the scent of the fries. 

They put the same stuff in popcorn in movie theaters.  I can walk into
a theater after a 5-course meal, barely able to move, and want a jumbo
tub-o-popcorn with butter, despite the fact that it costs 8 bucks for about
20 cents' worth of the stuff.

| I don't know if it is my Irish heritage ( internal SpudFinder radar)
| or weird chemicals in the air, but it reminds me too much of my days
| when I er "inhaled" and got the munchies.

Ah yes.  I once ate an entire can of Pillsbury Ready-to-Spread frosting
(chocolate) because THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE SWEET IN THE ENTIRE HOUSE!!!!!

*ahem*

Sorry. Flashback. I hate it when that happens.

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|cochran@dg-rtp.dg.com                             |
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Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way)
Subject: Re: corporate slime 
Organization: New Mexico State University, MetaPhysical Science Laboratory
	<ATAYLOR.92Sep29112026@gauss.nmsu.edu>
Distribution: alt.peeves
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:42:09 GMT

In article <ATAYLOR.92Sep29112026@gauss.nmsu.edu> ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy) writes:
   <In article <LARRY.92Sep29080653@peak.psl.nmsu.edu> larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way) writes:

   <Last night the PBS teevee showed "Roger and Me", once again reminding me

	   Peeve. Professionally made agitprop films run as
	   "documentaries". If "Roger & Me" is a documentary,
	   so is "Triumph of the Will".....

The "professional" who made "Roger and Me" was a weenie Flint resident..

   <about the corporate zeroes who seem to be running this country. In

	   Peeve: folks who are convinced that "someone is running
	   this country". 

You're right, Alan. The country is really running open loop.

	   MegaPeeve: the fact that bureaucrats on autopilot
	   are really "running" the country.

	   Peeve: Larry will probably next post about the Gnomes
	   of Zurich or the Illuminati....

You laugh now, buddy. Las Cruces is next.

(I *knew* Nosy would hit that one. Like a rainbow trout after a mayfly.)
What does the Nose know anyway?

L.
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From: mzraly@ra.cs.umb.edu (Your Pedal Extremities Are Colossal)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Commercials-on-the-brain
Summary: When EF Hutton talks...
Keywords: plop plop fizz fizz
Date: 2 Oct 92 06:11:25 GMT
Organization: UMass/Boston Dept. of Math & CS
Originator: mzraly@ra.cs.umb.edu


peeve:	I watched too much TV in my youth, and now I've got
	commercials-on-the-brain:  I remember obscure jingles
	and public service announcements, and they pop into
	my head at random intervals.

I remember Florence Henderson touting Wesson oil and David Naughton
singing about Dr. Pepper, Johnny Nash singing for Windex and all sorts
of people singing for Coca-Cola ("I'd like to teach the world to
sing...")  Visions of commercials for Pepto-Bismol and public service
announcements with Woodsy Owl invade my consciousness at odd moments.
Suddenly I visualize a purportedly Native-American woman with denim
jacket on saying, "Maize: you call it corn..." or the crown that
appears when some PlasticPerson(tm) tastes Imperial margarine.  I hear
jingles for Alka-Seltzer and envision commercials for Irish Spring
("manly yes, but I like it too").  All of a sudden I hear "Easy-Off
makes oven cleaning easier", "Shine on, shine on 409" or even "Rice
A-Roni, the San Francisco treat" for no apparent reason.

It's as if (fed)UpWithPeople were performing in my brain, with all this
cheerful consumption by well-adjusted perfectly-groomed not-too-rich-
yet-not-too-poor people.

Peeve:  PlasticPeople on commercials.

They don't appear to have any problems more pressing than paper plates
that spill blueberry pie or slight irregularity (peeve:  euphemisms).
They are never poor, never live in an apartment -- always a house with
a decent yard in a quiet neighborhood.  They never have any pets more
exotic than a cat or dog.  There is never any construction going on in
their neighborhood.  They never have to worry about whether or not they
can cover the debt on their credit cards.  They are always employed,
clean-shaven, and cheerful.  They neither drink nor smoke nor chew with
their mouths open.

They never have to go to the bathroom.

Their children are always cute, if energetic.  They always get along
with their family and neighbors.  They own know guns and have no
political beliefs or affiliations.  There is no indication what
religion they subscribe to, but its probably some common Christian
sect.  They never fight with one another, or tkae pleasure in the
misfortune of others.  They are rarely overweight.  They enjoy both
vegetables and red meat.  They shop at supermarkets, never at
convenience stores or local groceries.  Their babies never smell bad.

They are white-bread people, all packaging and no content.  They do not
exist in real life. If they did, we would have to kill them, and it
would be fun.

Peeve:  I will not be compensated by the many companies whose products
	I have alluded to for mentioning them in a public forum.

-- 
Mike Zraly		Scorn and defiance; slight regard, contempt,
mzraly@cs.umb.edu	And any thing that may not misbecome
			The mighty sender, ...
				-- HENRY V: Exeter to the Dauphin
From: booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Commercials-on-the-brain
Keywords: plop plop fizz fizz
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:25:10 GMT
Organization: The Autodesk Menagerie - Housecat Division

In article <ld1c4eINNhgg@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
>
>
>In article <17729@autodesk.COM> booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards) writes:
>
>>Gee, thanks, Geoff. Its bad enough that I cannot walk into a bar
>>anymore without worrying about being beat to vapor by some hormone-crazed
>>Kampus Rent-a-Kop
[etc]
>
>Heavens, no!  Not on any of the above, but on the crazed, violent out-of
>towners who were breaking windows and beating on relatively innocent people
>such as the ones you mentioned.  After all, I mentioned Berkeley *rioters,*
>not Berkeley *dwellers.*  I've got nothing at all against the locals.



Problems are that the Kampus Kops get so charged up that they think
everyone is the Enemy and that riots are like New England weather - you
never know when its going to hit, where, and how bad.

One of my co-workers is a teddy-bear dimensioned, sweater wearing,
bespectacled male of the melanin enriched persuasion and he gets pulled
over on San Pablo Avenue all the time. A grey haired, Birkenstock
wearing, melanin challenged woman and her 10 year old boy were
bludgeoned by a Kampus Kop because they forgot to tell her that there
would be a major riot on the street when they walked out of a
restaurant with a doggie bag. Another woman I know was holding a red
cross first aid box and was trying to drag a man with two broken
kneecaps away from the Kampus Kop when he started beating her in the
ribs.

Could you come up to Berkeley and give the cops lessons on who is
the shit disturber and who is not? They sure did not listen to the
woman who was trying to shield her 10 year old from getting his 
noggin cracked or the woman with the red cross medical kit.


ER
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