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From: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Leave Vysotsky alone! (was Re: A blasphemy...)
Date: 7 Nov 1992 02:04:09 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov6.190823.17178@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
>
>One more note: the arguments like "Shnitke says Vysotsky is a
>great musician" and "Korzhavin likes his poetry" are typical
>for scs collective consiousness. Why on the earth you need
>to judge Vysotsky by whatever these (for someone, highly esteemed)
>people wrote? Could you just buy a boombox and *listen*
>to his songs? Don't you have your own opinion? Do you
>believe that everybody should like someone if (sigh)
>Shnitke does? That's called authoritarian complex:
>people cannot imagine that everybody can have different
>opinion than them. If someone does, they are trying
>to persuade him by mention of esteemed people who
>are thinking the same as they, or by calling him names.
>I *hate* Sovietic mentality sometimes :).
>
Well, this is called "expertnaja otsenka" ("expert judgment"?) and is
much more common to USA then to xSU. As for discussion in general I
would say this:

1. If somebodys care only about his opinion, why would he bother to
talk to other people, not to mention to write?

2. Those who care may be more interseted in opinion of well-know
Joseph Brodsky, then not-so-well-known Yury Mukharsky.

3. Usually of two opinions (_usually, note_) one is wrong. Maybe mine
the only way to clear this is to argue with opponent. Naturally I belive
that I'm correct and trying to persuade him.

Yury.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: wc9583@writer.yorku.ca (J.Marc Chabot)
Subject: Soviet Military Review and its successor, Soviet Soldier (?)
Originator: wc9583@grant
Keywords: Soviet--Military, Russia--Armed Forces, Magazines,
Organization: Computer Assisted Writing Centre, York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:03:29 GMT

Hi there!
	First of all, thanks to all of you who helped me find the
RFERL-L list, it will be very helpful to me in my research.  But I
must once more ask your assistance in locating another source, this
time a hard copy one.
	The publication I am looking for was called "Soviet Military
Review", its last issue under that name is dated December 1989.  In
the September issue of the same year, it was announced that SMR was
going to become "Soviet Soldier" (Le Soldat Sovietique, in french).
It is this latter publication that I am trying to track down.
	So far, I have written to the then director of the magazine,
as of December 1989, Nikolai Velikanov.  I will also contact the
Russian Embassy in Ottawa, but as we all know anything that goes
through any politically attached office seems to get lost somehow...
	This is where I need your help.  Does anybody know ANYTHING
about what became of the above mentionned publications?  Does anyone
remember ever seeing them in a Library, and if so could you perhaps
talk to the librarian there and tell me where they got their copies
from?  I can use any information you might have, and as usual I am
sure that at least someone out there has information I can use...

Thanks a million!

Regards to all,

J.Marc Chabot
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Leave Vysotsky alone! (was Re: A blasphemy...)
From: <VABHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 5 Nov 1992 12:56:01 EST
 <1d9kp1INNt71@agate.berkeley.edu><1992Nov05.142049.30845@watson.ibm.com>
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center


In article <1992Nov05.142049.30845@watson.ibm.com>,
bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) says:
>
>In article <1d9kp1INNt71@agate.berkeley.edu> muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M.
>Mukharsky) writes:
>>In article <92309.160618VABHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <VABHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>>>
>>>differ, so why so many people have the same test on this stuff? As to me,
>>>I never find Vysotsky to be interesting in his texts,
>>
>>I know one person, who supposed to be specialist in poetic texts and who
>>values Vysotsky rather high. He does not seem to change his mind for last
>>10 years or so. Guess his name?
>>
>>Yury
>
>Btw, Alfred Shnitke said that music by Vysotsky is interesting and non-trivial.
>
>tak chto necha na zerkalo kivat'...
>        -igor
>
Anybody, any person, and Shnittke also may say anything he wants. Even he said
what you wrote, it wouldn't reflect on my opinion, that he's music is good.
However, would you tell me, where  and whed he did it, please? Also, can
anyone give me his current address, please?
                                           Vadim.
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.jewish,soc.history
From: twiddyd@murr16.alleg.edu (David Twiddy)
Subject: Re: State Supported Antisemitism in Russia
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:27:44 GMT

	
	FINALLY!  Someone arguing about something besides Turks and  
Greeks!
	You don't know how happy this has made me...

--

David "master of obscurity" Twiddy <twiddyd@alleg.edu>
"Small wheel turn by the fire and rod
 Big wheel turn by the Grace of GOD"
 			-Jerry Garcia
From: verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Druzhba Narodov (apologies)
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:00:14 GMT
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In one article I wrote yesterday I confused
quite respected Russian magazine Druzhba Narodov
with infamous Molodaya Gvardia. I bring my
apologies to all concerned. I guess I was flamed
already, but my newsreader has not got it yet.
In any case, I am sorry. 

Misha.
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From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Fylologi fleim
Keywords: Moskva, Petushki
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:16:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov10.171651.17320
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <1dotceINNk68@agate.berkeley.edu> 
muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:

>In article <1992Nov9.213958.17281@husc3.harvard.edu>
>verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:

>>In article <1992Nov9.205208.17277@husc3.harvard.edu>
>>zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:

YM:
>Hey, guys, can you stop flaming for a moment and try to formulate what
>message you want to convey to us? Is it as simple as:
>
>1. Erofeev is Catholic or strongly influenced by Catholic (or Lutheran?)
>   religion.
>2. Erofeev is kinda literature nigilist.
>
>Is not it nice to make your point _before_ you start defending it?

Dear Yury, I thought I had made my point on several occasions, but
thank you for demonstrating its apparent lack of explicitness.  I
think Erofeev is a religious writer in the Catholic tradition, which
is not the same thing as a writer who happens to be a Catholic (which
he also is), as may be seen in the examples of, say, Sade, Baudelaire,
and Camus, all of them atheists of some stripe, and all of them very
Catholic in their writing.

YM:
>One more question. Do you think that knowing that Erofeev ..(see above)
>will enrich my understanding and appreciation of his book?

I think so, -- it is not the issue of being able to second-guess his
sentiments, but that of placing him within a particular genre, which
enables you to attain a better understanding of his work.  To give an
example, whose vulgarity might be appreciated by the other Misha, a
certain Hollywood friend of mine, who, after nearly twenty years as a
paid killer, has switched to the far more cutthroat environment of
freelance film industry work, prides himself of having come up with
the suggestion to put the Stations of the Cross in the story of
_Rambo_.  You get no points for guessing his original religious
affiliation; moreover, even if the awareness of this fact will not
enrich your appreciation of the film in question (such as it might
be), it should aid your understanding of what the filmmakers were up
to in all these gory scenes.  Ditto for _Moskva -- Petushki_.

YM:
>Please, try to tame your great and mighty, or sorry this is not Russian.

Done.

>Yury

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
" -- I shall speak bluntly, because life is short."
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From: sasha@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alexander.kostomaroff)
Subject: Re: Text (lyrics) wanted
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:58:26 GMT
Keywords: Former Soviet National Anthem

Mikhail S. Verbitsky writes on the subject of
the former Soviet National Anthem:

>Lyrics by Sergei Mikhalkov, music by Aleksandrov, outline and
>corrections by Uncle Joe

Dangerous Omission. People have the right to know their scum!
Lirics by S. Mikhalkov and El-Registan (whoever the other asshole was).
		       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
A. Kostomaroff
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: momotaro@cwis.unomaha.edu (Bryan Stack)
Subject: Re: Andrei Rublov, Zeppelins and , hmm, Verbitsky
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:03:15 GMT

pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF) writes:

>In article <1992Nov9.193950.7317@galois.mit.edu>, verbit@cauchy.mit.edu (Mikahil Verbitski) writes:

>>	The first part of film, which is actually a prologue, has
>>	a symbolic meaning. It depicts a semi-folklore story
>>	about Russian monk who invented a zeppelin (circa 1580)

>Hmm... The most prominent authorities in folklore study have
>agreed that the thing that monk invented was not a Zeppelin,
>but a Volksvagen.

He invented it after listening to Led Zeppelin . . . playing electric
balalaikas and bayans . . . 

--
>>> Bryan Stack, Government Documents Librarian, University Library
University of Nebraska at Omaha, Omaha NE 68182-0237 USA
Email: momotaro@cwis.unomaha.edu   Phone: 402-554-3258   FAX: 402-554-3215
         One of these days I'm going to stop procrastinating.
From: mitra@igc.apc.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:11 PST
Subject: Re: InfoLine type newsfeed for current 
Nf-ID: #R:1992Nov10.140321.1980@newshub.cc:1547690158:cdp:1474600037:000:117
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!mitra    Nov 12 14:11:00 1992


Marc, 

Send mail to usasupport@sovusa.com  the Sovam US system has just such 
a newsfeed available online.

- Mitra

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe
From: wc9583@writer.yorku.ca (J.Marc Chabot)
Subject: InfoLine type newsfeed for current events in Russia and Eastern Europe
Originator: wc9583@grant
Organization: Computer Assisted Writing Centre, York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:03:21 GMT

	I am currently employed in an International Studies Centre at
York University in Toronto.  I was wondering if there is available,
trhu the Net (much like Israeline) a daily digest of current events
for Russia and Eastern Europe?  I am thinking of something along the
lines of a mailing list here, not a newsgroup.

	If any of you fine people out there know of such a thing,
could you e-mail me to let me know how to get it?  Please do not post
responses to this post on the newsgroup as it will only waste valuable
bandwidth.  Thanks!!

J.Marc Chabot (mchabot@vm2.yorku.ca)
		(wc9583@writer.yorku.ca)


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From: krainev@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Pro-semitic joke....
Date: 6 Nov 92 09:18:40 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services



         Here is some JOKE explaining some of hard-to-understand
         features of Jewish soul.....



        Two Jews are sitting in the front of river and drinking VODKA.

        - What is your strongest wish, guys?

        - Let us be a Russians!

        - Well, just swim across the river - you'll be a Russians on the
        
        First Jew swam and get up on other coast, his fellow asking:

        - Abram, how do you feel there?
        - WHAT ARE YOU SHOUTING THERE, FUCKING JEW?

        - What are you shouting there, fucking Jew?

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Adam Lawrence Salter <adam@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: tampon flame, very sad story
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:22:25 GMT
	<1992Nov02.224052.31832@watson.ibm.com>

  In article <1992Nov02.224052.31832@watson.ibm.com>,
  bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:
>
>You mean that you (and Ratner too) would advice to women after miscarriage
>to get pregnant as soon as she can?
>
>Congratulations.
>You both reserved a very distinguished place in s.c.s panteon of idiots,
>slightly ahead of competition.
>
>Keep going.
>
>	-igor
>
>P.S. to Adam - don't worry, there are always cretins who cry wolf seeing
>rabbit and they complain. And, fortunately for poor Patricia, she isn't wife
>of one of that imbeciles.

  What, me worry? ;->


  P.S. In case anyone was wondering I had asked "are you religious" in
my previous message in a futile attempt to try to understand why that person
had become so offended.


                                                               adam
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: reply to S. Borodin
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 22:41:35 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

So, being tired from everlasting pro/antisemitic discussions,
I got some supposedly simple questions to fighters for Russia virginity
in nationalistic matters with hope to have a little break.  
I'll try to put them mildly. Please note, I don't ask explanations, 
justifications, cries of approval.

1. Do you agree that people with the record "Jew" in fifth field of passport
  had their additional share of problems?
  Do you agree that people with the record "Jew" in fifth field of passport
  of one of their parents had additional share of problems also?

2. Which term would you propose to use as definitive for mentioned
  anomaly? (please, don't suggest communism, etc. - we all know that
  real communists (TM) don't know about nations)

3. If the answer to the second question is "antisemitism" (suprisingly)
  and you don't think that "state antisemitism" existed, than, please,
  tell, what were sources of this antisemitism in the Russia. (again,
  please, don't suggest private antipathies - otherwise, considering
  the simple fact that every Jew in Russia had this or that problem
  because of his passport record, I should conclude that these private
  antipathies are very common in Russia which in turn is equivalent 
  to declaring Russians rather antisemitic).

Thank you for attention,

	-igor
From: nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Leave Vysotsky alone! (was Re: A blasphemy...)
Date: 6 Nov 92 07:12:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.NIKOLAY.92Nov5231245
 <1992Nov05.142049.30845@watson.ibm.com><92310.125601VABHC@CUNYVM.BITNET><1992Nov05.211007.15640@watson.ibm.com>
Organization: The Kremlin Wall of Harvard
In-reply-to: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com's message of Thu, 05 Nov 92 21:10:07 GMT

bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:

[about Shnitke's praise of Vysotskii]

>>However, would you tell me, where and whed he did it, please?

>When: some years ago when Vysotsky became officially accepted and his
> 50th (I think) anniversary was celebrated with all the sounds and
> fury possible all over the radio, TV, ethereal, printed, sea and
> other waves.

I know *why* he did it. Peter Vorobieff had scared him shitless.

Phil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: joke
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Date: 8 Nov 92 14:35:55 EST
Followup-To: misc.test
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <LJawTB1w165w@bwalk.dm.com> 
mlv@bwalk.dm.com (Marina Vulis) writes:

>How does a Soviet emigre commit suicide?
>Lowers his head & sniffs his armpit.

Well, personally I prefer to use this technique as a vodka chaser;
however if you, dear Marina, should be overcome with an irresistible
urge to commit suicide with a body part, you are more than welcome to
choke on my circumcised prick.

>---

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
" -- I shall speak bluntly, because life is short."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: saleham@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Anwar M. Saleh)
Subject: Russian Music
Summary: need ftp site for Russian Music in .au or .snd format
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 02:00:06 GMT

I am looking for an ftp site for Russian Music in .au or .snd
format. Any help by either email or posting is appreciated.

Thanks

Anwar
From: verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Three Stooges' Russian roots
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:24:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov6.192409.17181
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <168968879.S947607@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU> S947607@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU writes:
>A lot of you probably know who the Three Stooges are. For those who don't know:
>they are the best slapstick-type comedians in the world, so watch them, you
>won't be sorry !

>What almost nobody knows is: all of the Stooges' parents had come to the U.S.
>from Russia !

This is extremely interesting. Watching Stooges tapes, I got a
strong impression that they are more typically Sovietic than 
their Sovietic doubles _ Vitsyn, Morgunov and Nikulin. Does
anyone know about relation between those? Stooges look
and act as twins of Soviet triple!

Misha.
From: mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Jewish Autonomous Oblast
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:51:38 GMT
Organization: University of Scranton

In article <1992Nov9.091127.24789@netcom.com>, oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
> In article <1992Nov09.082409.3811@eng.umd.edu> cema@eng.umd.edu (Simon Hawkin) writes:
>>People used to see some logic in it.
> 
> The logic may have been Stalin's pseudo-anthropological idea that to be a
> "nationality" people had to have a homeland.  If Jews were a nationality,
> they had to have a homeland, a remote piece of dirt, taiga and mountains 
> off on the Chinese border.  A home of their own!  To hell with the natives,
> or the fact that there has never been any Jews in the area.  It's the
> thought, if any, that counts.
> 
> -- 
> Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path

The logic was simple: Near East, Far East... What's a big difference?

Michael.



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: igor@cs.columbia.edu (Igor Pankevich)
Subject: Re: Jewish Autonomous Oblast
Originator: igor@krishna.cs.columbia.edu
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:32:30 GMT


In article <BxIn9t.G66@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>, monaghan@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (N.O. Monaghan) writes:
> oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
> >The logic may have been Stalin's pseudo-anthropological idea that to be a
> >"nationality" people had to have a homeland.  If Jews were a nationality,
> >they had to have a homeland, a remote piece of dirt, taiga and mountains 
> >off on the Chinese border.  A home of their own!  To hell with the natives,
> 
> Mmm, why does Israel come into my mind at this point?

No idea. Does it come into your mind when Oleg says that the idea of a 
"homeland of their own" is pseudo-antropological, or when he mentions
"hell with the natives", or what? If first, I think Stalin was partly right.
I would only rephrase this a little: a nation _should_ have a land of their
own, if it is not a gipsy-kind of people, who by their nature always move from
place to place. The thing people _must_ have to be a nation, is a land of their
origin (a common one). And I think that though placing Jews randomly into some
territory is not a cleverest idea, the need for a homeland is real. 
And if you mean the second point made, well... The land of Israel IS Jewish
homeland, and there was never a "hell with the natives" policy taken by Israely
state without a proper cause from those "natives". And if you mean the 
occupied territories, well, Arabs started the war in the result of which 
those territories were taken. Do you think Germany will now dispute the legality
of Koenigsberg/Kaliningrad being with Russia?
Sorry if I mistook your point...
> 
> >-- 
> >Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path
> -- 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> N.O. Monaghan
> 
> monaghan@dcs.gla.ac.uk


--Igor P.
From: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Reply to S. Borodin (was: Antisemitism and Ve
Date: 5 Nov 1992 10:33:25 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov4.225403.17113@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
>Po Vyzhivaniyu (The (Rules Of Survival) sings the song "Ubei Zhida":

[Stupid song omitted]

>
>WILL YOU PLEASE POST AN EXAMPLE OF A ANTI-AZERI
>RUSSIAN ROCK GROUP, MAGAZINE OR NEWSPAPER, VADIM ANTONOV?

A chem vam eta milaja pesenka ne ponravilas'. Po-moemu texts ochen'
smahivaet na stol' lubimyj vami "Ubej Ljagavogo".

Yury

>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Adam Lawrence Salter <adam@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Sovoks, vote for President Bush
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:57:51 GMT

  In article <1992Nov03.150235.32691@watson.ibm.com>,
  oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky) writes:

>Despite his obvious faults, President Bush is a better choice
>than the Chicken Boy and the Ozone Man. Let's give Mr Bush
>our sovok support.
>
>Save economy - vote Republican.
>
>Opinions herein are mine only - Vlad's employer may disagree.

  A bit late perhaps, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha :->!


                                                                 adam
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Three Stooges' Russian roots
From: S947607@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:42:16 GMT
Organization: UM ST. LOUIS

A lot of you probably know who the Three Stooges are. For those who don't know:
they are the best slapstick-type comedians in the world, so watch them, you
won't be sorry !
 
What almost nobody knows is: all of the Stooges' parents had come to the U.S.
from Russia !
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