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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.rhetoric
Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:34:00 EST
From:         ROBERTSON@HWS.BITNET

I would like to know more about your rhetoric electronic
forum.  A colleague of mine has forwarded several items from
it to me, but he never seems to have time to explain to me
how to join. Could you let me know?  I am on bitnet.
My name is Linda Robertson and I am on the faculty at
Hobart and William Smith Colleges, Geneva, New York.  The
e-mail address is:  HWS3::robertson.  Thanks.
From: PBROSIUS@UGA.BITNET (Peter Brosius)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.rhetoric
Subject: Re: Metaphor theory
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:19:24 GMT
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The posting from the individual who asked about references on metaphor
prompts me to request input from those who follow this bulletin.  I am an
anthropologist who has been looking at the contested meanings of conservation
and development in the context of a particular environmental debate - the
debate over deforestation and indigenous rights in Sarawak, Malaysia.  I am
somewhat new to the field of rhetoric/persuasion, and am wondering if
anyone out there might be able to suggest some key works (books, journals,
specific articles) that might provide an entree into this literature.  I am
interested not only in works that deal specifically with the rhetoric of
environmentalism, nationalism, sovereignty, development, and the like (though
any such references would be welcomed), but rather in works that deal with
more general theoretical issues and/or provide some background to this field.
I would also be interested in keeping in touch with any of you out there who
might have a specific interest in environmentalism.

                                            Pete Brosius
                                            Department of Anthropology
                                            University of Georgia-Athens
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 19:09:11 EDT
From: gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu
Reply-To: gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu
Subject: GayNet Digest Volume 7 Issue 1
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.gaynet

In this issue:
                   My experience on the Donahue show
                          The US Border patrol
                       gaynet digest volume 0 is
                        Laettner Signs Contract
                      Stressed Out, But Great Hair
                             LBG Scientists
                      Salem is burning? I hope not
                            Robert Williams
                          for Fintan and Burt
                             The blond song
                   Final text of California's AB-2601
           Another deletion from OutList; alternatives to GCN
             Gender Logic; also male-male domestic violence
              MCC Portland, and venting my frustrations...

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 10:26:59 -0500
From: William Robboy <wrobboy@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu>

Newsgroups: bit.listserv.gaynet
From: cornell@inoc.dl.nec.com (Cornell Kinderknecht)
Subject: Re: Presidential debate
Reply-To: cornell@syl.dl.nec.com
Organization: Not very organized
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 07:44:47 GMT

gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu writes:

>Watching the debate, I was struck by one particular thing from the standpoint
>of lesbigay issues. Ross Perot took a swipe at George Bush for the hatefest
>of a convention that the Republicans had, obviously refering to their attacks
>on lesbigay people. But Clinton, who came after Perot, didn't say anything
>about it. I thought that was interesting. I don't really know if it says
>anything in particular about Clinton, but I think it said say at least
>something positive about Perot.

I think Clinton's strategy on Sunday was too play it down the middle
of the road and avoid being very weak and avoid being agressive.  Since
he so far ahead in polls, it is up to Bush in the debate to prove his
case.  So, if Perot made the appropriate comment (as he did)  and take
a swipe at Bush, Clinton didn't need to.  Therefore, he wouldn't turn
off anyone, he would remain to appear calm and not antagonizing.  Of
course we would like to see him take a stand but I think he was right
in playing politics as he did at the debate.

- - cjk

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End of GayNet Digest
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 15:22:46 EDT
From: gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu
Reply-To: gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu
Subject: GayNet Digest Volume 0 Issue 6
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.gaynet

In this issue:
                        news at earlham college
                                  Huh?
                   SEXY MEN, HOT WOMEN.....YUMMMMMMMM
                         Those durn 800 numbers
                                 Joisy
                               Star Trek
                       gaynet digest volume 0 is
                             LGB Musicians
        GAYNETTERS *on* Donahue this TUESDAY! (Re: Trent Dimas)
                    "Are Homosexuals Born That Way?"
                           Am I Going Crazy?
                         More positive films...
                               two things

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 17:13:53 -0500
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From: talamar@cs.concordia.ca (ANTONELLI michael a.)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.dbase-l,comp.databases
Subject: dBASE IV runtime 1.5 corrupting files
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:44:16 GMT
Followup-To: bit.listserv.dbase-l
Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec

Lately a customer of mine has been having frequent trouble with corrupt mdx and
dbf files.  The only recent change to the software I wrote for them has been
the replacement of the dBASE IV 1.1 runtime with the 1.5 version of runtime.
I was wondering if anybody else has been having similar problems and if this
is a recognised problem with runtime 1.5 with a known fix.

Please respond by e-mail.  Thank-you.

-- 
******************************************************************************
Michael Anthony Antonelli            Internet: talamar@cs.concordia.ca
                                     Fidonet:  Talamar at 1:167/133
Concordia University, Montreal (Canada)
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:45:27 U
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From:         Tom Scott <tom_scott@QMRELAY.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      FileMaker Import (Q)

     FileMaker Import (Q)
I have a couple of offices that have FileMaker Pro and they wish to import work
files that have been downloaded from the campus IBM mainframe.  I've done this
quite often with FoxBase+/Mac and FoxPro (IBM).  I've just appended to a
predefined data file with file type SDF (standard delimiter format) where each
record has a fixed record length (i.e. first name occupies columns 1-20, last
name occupies columns 21-50, etc.), so I just set the field lengths in the
local database to match the lengths specified in the mainframe definition.  My
question is:  How do I do this in FileMaker?  I looked at their manual and they
have about 8 file formats supported for import, but nothing that looks like
something I can use.  Any FileMaker Pros out there willing to lend me a hand?
TIA

Thomas Scott, Systems Manager, College of Engineering
Cornell University, Carpenter Hall Annex, Ithaca, NY  14853
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:26:00 PDT
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From:         "(James Chuang)" <jamesc@BORLAND.COM>
Subject:      Re: DBASE ON A NETWORK

If you were going to keep the VAX around anyway, you can just get
dBase IV for the VAX, which will allow you to use your existing hardware.
If you want to downsize, then Lantastic is probably a better choice than
Netware Lite.  In performace tests done done PC Mag, Netware Lite was slower.
However, Netware Lite Version 1.1 made up some of the differences.
An imporatant point is to make sure the app you want to run works on the
intended network.  Check with the software vendor first to make sure they
will support you on your choice of network.

jamesc
--
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:13:33 EST
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From:         ALDSTF06@OUACCVMB.BITNET
Subject:      dynamic input in dbase

I don't know if this has been sent before because the listserv people sent it
back saying it, or something like it was sent.  So, I am resending because if
someone else has recently sent something like this request, I missed it and am
curious.

I'm creating an application that will one day stand alone using dBase IV
programming commands.  I want to add a feature that will globally update,
search, replace etc. The catch is, I can't use the query design screen because
this is intended to stand alone, and it is impossible to guess what the user
will type in.  In short, I need to create something like the QBE but in
dBase.  I've looked into using SQL's dynamic methods, but this application has
already been started (2000 lines worth) and databases established.  Can anyone
offer suggestions or point me to a good book on using SQL with dBase IV?

Thanks
Sam McCoy
Aldstf06@OUACCVMB.Bitnet
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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.dbase-l
Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:45:00 PDT
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From:         "(James Chuang)" <jamesc@BORLAND.COM>
Subject:      Re: MORE DBASE ON A NETWORK

>From: KWARDEN%MTSU.BITNET@tecmtyvm.mty.itesm.mx

>Our computer services dept says a network using the VAX is out of
>the question.  They tried it for their dept using Pathworks and had
>several problems with it....I talked with a "sales rep" at Austin Computer
>Systems and he discouraged Netware 2.2, saying it was outdated..and was
>really pushing 3.11 (probably because it costs more). ... I have talked with
>computer services about future plans and there is a plan for a campus-wide
>network, but they are VERY noncommittal about what will be used.  There
>are 4 or 5 other Novell networks on campus, one Lantastic, and a mixture
>of PCs and MACs.  I would guess that either Novell or Lantastic would
>be okay.
Netware 3.11 does have some significant advantages over netware 2.2.  If you
are spending thousands for software and netwoking hardware, the ~$200 price
difference between the two version should not be a factor.  A good way for you
to leverage between deciding on the network solution is to get netware
compatible ethernet cards such as NE2000 or clones of it.  This way, you
can run either Netware or Lantastic Using Lantastic AI.  And if there is a
change in the future, you only have to change the software.
>
>If I use Lantastic, am I correct in thinking that I can use one PC that
>has the DBASE software and files and it can be accessed by anyone else while
>the PC is also being used as a workstation?  Would I need the DBASE LAN Pack?
>Could more than one person at a time use DBASE?
>
>I really appreciate everyone's input!  Thanks!
If you wish to have multiple people accessing dBase at once, then you'll need
to get the dBase Lan Pack.  dBase does allow sharing of datafiles between
users, but your dBase Application must be coded with multiuser requirements in
mind.  Some automatic file and record locking is provided by dBase.
Since Lantastic is a peer to peer network, the server can act as a workstation,
and can be used for data access as well.
Which ever network and software you choose, remember to check with your
software vendor to make sure that their software work with your network.
For example, I know there are a lot of people using dBase on their Lantastic
network, but I do not know if dBase was ever certified to run on it.

jamesc

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From: sschmidt@HP.UWSUPER.EDU ((Mr. Stanton W. Schmidt))
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.dbase-l
Subject: browse in a multiuser program
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:55:21 GMT
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help, I'm ready to pull all my hair out.

What I want to do is to browse the records for 1 person allowing adds or
corrections.  I have tried "set filter to" but that makes things go
rrreeeaaall slow.  I have tried "index on ssn for ssn = tempssn" but that
requires exclusive use of the data base which effectively makes the program
a single user program instead of multiuser.  I even tried "copy to tempdbf
while ssn = tempssn" and then "insert" added record and update corrected
records after the browse was complete, unfortunately the "insert" command
in the network environment also requires exclusive use of the database.

Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you!

--
Stanton W. Schmidt
University of Wisconsin-Superior
sschmidt@uwsuper.edu
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:38:09 U
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From:         Tom Scott <tom_scott@QMRELAY.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Need Tool!!

                                RE>Need Tool!!
College of Engineering                           Thomas Scott - (607) 255-0966
                                                 FAX: (607) 255-9606
                                                 E-mail:
LU7Y@CornellC.cit.cornell
                                                 edu

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                                                 edu
Carpenter Hall Annex_
On Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:44:28 CDT, nanda@KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU asks:

>I am looking for a product that does data-flow diagrams,Data dictionaries,
>entity relation diagrams and decision tables.  This product need not generate
>code but would be nice if it did.  I use foxpro.

My response is:

What's wrong with FoxDoc, the dosumentation system built within FoxPro?
Here's what my FoxPro (1.02) manual (p. 1-50) says about FoxDoc:

"FoxDoc produces many different items of documentation including:

   o  a data dictionary showing where all names used in your program are
       defined, changed, or referenced,
   o  a tree diagram showing relationships between all modules in your system,
   o  a clean, re-indented program listing with proper capitalization for
       keywords and data variables,
   o  a cross reference listing showing all databases used, where they are
       referenced and their structure,
   o  complete mockups of report and label forms used,
   o  program headers listing programs which call the current program
       and the programs it calls in turn,
   o and much more"

I think that it does everything you need and probably some stuff you don't
need!   ;-)
Seriously, it's a wonderful feature of Fox and very useful.  I got a chance to
meet Walt
Kennamer, the author of FoxDoc when I was at the Fox Developer's Conference a
couple
of years ago.
From: ifenton@crc.ac.uk (I. Fenton)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.dbase-l
Subject: Re: Clipper 5.01 and Paths....
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:56:38 GMT
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre

In article <9210061917.AA14256@JayRell.CC.MsState.Edu> jgb1@CC.MSSTATE.EDU ((John G 'Jay' Burrell)) writes:
>I have written a small utility in Clipper 5.01 that checks the
>status of over 30 novell servers.  My problem is I need to know
>where the application resides...  I want to make it generic
>enough that it can be started from some other drive and/or
>directory and the application find it's database file that
>contains a list of servers and their system administrators along
>with phone numbers...  All I have been able to do is change to a
>specific directory if I know it... and thats the problem, I never
>know where the program will be started from.  My first thought
>was if its not in the current directory, it must be on their path....
>NOT!  They could very easily fully qualify the application name
>with the path.... :-(
>
>
>Any Suggestions????
>
>
>Jay Burrell               jgb1@CC.MsState.Edu
>Computing Center
>Mississippi State University

yup, i have.

this guy in holland :

   pepijn smits software
   helene swarthstraat 1b
   3061 cj rotterdam
   the netherlands

   voice: +31 - 10 - 4135422

has written a shareware library ('expand v2.0') which costs 75 dutch thingys.
i reckon thats about $40 u.s.  this library has a function ('myname()') which
does just as you require.

good luck, i like the library, although i've never used it for professional
systems...

=============================================================================
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University of Wales College of Medicine |====================================
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Cardiff  CF4 4XN                        |  studied anatomy and dissected at
U.K.                                    |  least one woman" - de Balzac
=============================================================================
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Fax   = +44 - 222 - 747603   | heavyweight boxing champion, was refused
Email = fenton@uk.ac.cardiff | permission to board the Titanic because of
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:57:52 EDT
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From:         Cliff Green <green@UMDNJ.EDU>
Subject:      Re: MORE DBASE ON A NETWORK

>
> Our computer services dept says a network using the VAX is out
> of the question.  They tried it for their dept using Pathworks
> and had several problems with it....

  (OK, one last poke at this dead horse... ;))

  I wasn't actually recommending use of the VAX as a lan server,
rather as a host for the database, running under VMS.  That way,
your pc's are not lan clients, but would act as dialin or connected
terminals (a serial link would be adequate).  I assumed you already
had that kind of connection, and would be able to consider the VAX,
the cabling, and all that goes with it as a sunk cost - no extra
expense at all and no lan worries for you computer services dept
(beyond the ordinary).  If, however, I was mistaken, and you are
not now connected in any way to the VAX, I apologize.

c
--
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Academic Computing Services     voice:   908-463-4436
UMDNJ-RWJMS                       fax:   908-463-5252
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From: PA8@BART.MIO.UWOSH.EDU
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Subject: This is a test
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:20:42 GMT
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Priority: normal
X-mailer:     Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R4).

This is a test!!!!
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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.dbase-l
Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:48:47 CDT
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              dialects" <DBASE-L@NMSUVM1.BITNET>
Comments:     Resent-From: Gary Jarrell <C604441@MIZZOU1>
Comments:     Originally-From: "Mark W. Schumann"
              <mark%WHIZBANG.WARIAT.ORG@TECMTYVM.MTY.ITESM.MX>
Comments:     Warning -- original Sender: tag was DBASE-L@TECMTYVM
From:         Gary Jarrell <C604441@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: MORE DBASE ON A NETWORK

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
On Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:07:00 CST,
wariat!nshore!ncoast!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!pucc.Princeton.EDU!MTSU.BITNET!KWARDEN
wrote:

> If I use Lantastic, am I correct in thinking that I can use one PC that
> has the DBASE software and files and it can be accessed by anyone else while
> the PC is also being used as a workstation?  Would I need the DBASE LAN Pack?
> Could more than one person at a time use DBASE?
-----------------------------
1.  I do not know about Lantastic, but if you put it on a FS, everyone can
    access it.
2.  YES if you do not have a LAN pack, you will get an error when the second
    perosn tries to access it.  You must also purchase the additonal user
    pack for the LAN pack.  (5 user Pack)
3.  Yes, as long as you have the LAN pack and additional user pack.

Gary Jarrell <c604441@mizzou1.missouri.edu>
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:48:03 -0400
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From:         Robert D Blackard Jr <blackard@BRAHMS.UDEL.EDU>
Subject:      Programming Novell without Novell Kit

There is a book "Netware Programmers Guide" by Ralph Davis for $29.95 that
has examples of most of the code in Novell's Development Kit.  You should
be able to find example code in there.

The trick is to name the device that has the application with a unique name
that can be retrieved from the Named Services portion of the server.

Make a call asking for the location on the device, and you will have
/have/ get the actual server name, drive, and path back.  That way, you
can call the application and tell it where to find the needed data files.

Bob Blacakrd.
(this is a response to a question... I removed the original message before
 responding... sorry).
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