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From: rbattle@hydra.unm.edu (Ron M Battle STUDENT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Ruminations on Cross-PC...
Date: 13 Aug 92 05:54:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


I'm impressed! I finally got the system booting from my hard-disk and
MS-DOS 3.2. I was able to un-compress some DOS programs and ran them
without problems. It does seem to be about as fast as a 4.77 MHz XT
(Oh, that was so LONG ago!)! The MDA and CGA emulations seem to work.
I have not tried to use the serial and parallel port yet. My way of
getting the hard-disk to boot:
Set up your partition with the AMIGA HDtools with a FAST FILE SYSTEM
  and name the partition PCC
Now format it on the AMIGA side, I labeled mine DOS
Install your Cross-PC software and tell it you want to use PCC as the
  partition
Now BOOT your Cross-PC program from a floppy with an MS-DOS system disk
Now run FDISK to set up your partition, mine was 15 Mbyte contiguous
Now FORMAT C: /s     I labeled mine DOS
Now copy COMMAND.COM from the MS-DOS floppy into your root directory
  on C:
Copy any other commands over, I put these into a SYSTEM directory and
  add a PATH c:system   statement to my autoexec.bat file
Setup both the config.sys and autoexec.bat files in your root directory
Pull out any floppies and click on the Cross-PC icon and VOILA, you 
should be booting from the hard disk! Have fun!
P.S.  I found a supplier of an OEM version of MS-DOS 3.3 for $20 + S/H !
Mendelson Electronics Co., Inc.  340 E. First Street, Dayton, OH 45402
(800) 422-3525  part # 229-3908F  (5 1/4,3 1/2 discs,manuals,GW-BASIC)
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From: sie@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Simon Raybould)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: 386 Bridgeboard Janus problem
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:07:07 GMT
	<13327.2a8a5458@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>
Organization: Fulcrum Communications Ltd., Birmingham, England

In article <13327.2a8a5458@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> tine@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:

   >>>Hello, I am having a small problem with my 386 bridgeboard in a 3000.  I keep
   >>>getting an "Cant open Janus.library" when I run the software.  Janus.library
   >>>is in the libs: directory.  Is there anything else I could be doing wrong?

   I had a similar problem, the solution was...simply plugging the bridgeboard
   more firmly in its slot...

   Stefano

I thought Janus.library was supposed to be in the SYS:expansion
directory ? that's where it is on my system and that works and there's
no sign of it in the libs: directory.

Sie

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From: burkert1@platon.fmi.uni-passau.de (Klaus Burkert)
Subject: Re: Bridgeboards, which is what?
Organization: University of Passau, W-Germany
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:53:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.023932.18792@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> s1070422@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (D Binding is BATMAN) writes:
>I don't know much about PC's but l know about XTs , 286's and 386's but what
>is all this talk about 486 ,386SX and 386DX and 2088 etc. Being a very amiga person
>l don't have a clue. What is the difference. I was thinking of upgrading my
>commadore 286 bridgeboard, and was told the 386SX Golden Gate bridgeboard was
>very good. So my main concern is wha is so good about 386SX over a plain 386?

There are Intel (and clone) processors
 8086, 8088 (used in XT), 8087 is the math-coprocessor for these
 80186/80188 (very rarely used, mostly as embedded controller)
 80286      (used in AT), 80287 is the math-coprocessor
 80386sx (a 80386 with the 80286's bus interface), 80387sx is the math-copro
 80386dx (the original 80386), 80387 is the math-coprocessor
 80486   (the real '486), math-coprocessor is on-chip included
 80486sx (a 486 without or disabled math-copro), 80487sx is the math-copro

There are processors ending with 'SL', 'SXL' and similar, these are mostly
low-power-consuming parts designed for use in laptops/notebooks.


A2088 / A2286 / A2386(sx) are names for commodore-bridgeboards where
 A2088 is the XT with 8088 processor
 A2286 is the AT with 80286 processor
 A2386 is the SX with 80386sx processor, it is often called A2386sx.

There is no real good on the 386sx over the 386(dx) nowadays, it was
introduced back in the old days when RAM was very expensive.
The 386sx is capable of running 386 software (32bit, MMU) at above the
speed and price of a (equal-clocked) 286: that's the whole story.

I hope I could enlighten you a bit :-)

Ciao, Klaus.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: harley@tt.com (Scott Drysdale)
Subject: Re: software PC emulators
Keywords: PC,emulator,286,386
Organization: Telecommunications Techniques Corporation, Germantown MD
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:55:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.043305.6336@ultb.isc.rit.edu> kxs5829@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.X. Saunders ) writes:
>
>	Would any of the PC emulator developers be working on something
>beyond the 8086?  The '386 would be ideal.

emulating the 386 in protected mode would be very very very slow.  every time
a segment register gets changed, you'd have to look up the descriptor, and
on every memory access, you'd have to validate the access type agains the
descriptor.  i don't think it'd be worth it.

>	- Kyle

  --Scotty
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From: ottmar@ajberl.adsp.sub.org (Ottmar Roehrig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: AMax on A2024
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:52:01 GMT
Organization: Atelier Roehrig

Has anybody had success in running A-Max 2.51 on an A2024 in Highres-mode?
I tried but it fails all the time on my A3000/PAL/Mercury... Other
modes run well!

Besides that: Is there already a FastMax-like type of program for
A-Max 2.51?

Ottmar
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Hamburg, Germany

"There's method in his madness" (Shakespeare, Hamlet II.)
From: jdrew@cryo.rain.com (Jim Drew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Where to get sytem disks
Reply-To: jdrew@cryo.rain.com (Jim Drew)
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Date: 17 Aug 92 02:16:58 PDT
Organization: Cryogenic Software - Portland, OR

Lloyd_Sumpter@mindlink.bc.ca (Lloyd Sumpter) writes:
>I'm kina confused here. Are we talking about the Mac's Operating System
>disks? Aren't they copyright Apple Corp? (i.e. you gotta BUY them!)
>
>--
>
><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<semi-YAHOO>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                    Lloyd_Sumpter@mindlink.bc.ca
>             "Amiga made it - Commodore screwed it up"
 
Actually, the MAC OS is given away (yes FREE) by the MAC dealers in
Oregon, California, and Washington.  I do not know if this is common
practice in the rest of the U.S.  I do know that according to Apple's
System 7 documentation, you are allowed to actually loan out your system
disks to anyone.
Jim Drew - Vice President, Utilities Unlimited, Inc.
           jdrew@cryo.rain.com
   1641 McCulloch Blvd. Suite #25-124    Lake Havasu City, AZ  86403
 
 (602) 680-9004 {office}      (602) 680-9006 {FAX}    (602) 453-9767 {BBS}
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: A2088 + Inboard 386?
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:39:31 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Hi all,

	I know many people have asked the same questions before,
but I might be able to obtain an Inboard 386/PC, so I figure I would
ask anyways...

	Is there anyway to get a2088 to work with an Inboard386/pc?

	Thanks...             

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin


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From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Emplant IBM
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:07:47 GMT

simon@ivem.uucp (Simon Lee) writes:
>James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew) writes:
>>NDA does not mean lie, which Jim Drew did. He said there is no new chipset,
>>which is a false assertion. NDA would compel him to say "no comment".
>
>I thought NDA meant it doesn't exist unless CBM says it exists.  By saying
>"no comment", he automatically implies something's up.  By saying "no new
>chipset", as far as you and I are concerned, there is none in the works.

Come on; you think NDA means lie to your customers.  What kind of a contract
requires that people lie?  What kind of people can you trust to lie?

>This is a true (and exciting) fact, but this still doesn't excuse leaking of
>information.  What would you say if some spy leaked top secret info to
>foreign countries?

I see no reason for concern if a foreign country learns about the new
chip set.  Federal secrets are another issue entirely.

-- Gerald
From: tharvill@cse.unl.edu (Thomas Harvill)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: PC multifunction cards?
Summary: what multifunction cards are available?
Keywords: multifunction card
Date: 11 Aug 92 15:33:23 GMT
Distribution: global
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln

I would appreciate some advice on particular IBM multifunction cards for
my new Amiga 3000.  I would like SVGA, IDE, serial port(s), etc.  Can anyone
tell me the best product for the money?  Thank you.

Another thing, I am interested in installing Linux on my system.  Does anyone
have experience with this?  I understand that it "shares" command.com with
the IBM, but I am not sure.  Any and all advice and info would be greatly
appreciated.

Tom Harvill
tharvill@cse.unl.edu
From: mcramm@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Upgrading A2286 to 386SX
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:03:53 BST
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

Anyone out there know if it's possible to upgrade an A2286 by tacking on
one of the 386SX (yes I know it's a crippled processor, only Intel could
slice off half it's Bus and claim it was still as powerful as a 386DX)
boards available.

If so, which ones are recommended ?

I'm asking not because I *want* to use it but because I'll have to.


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From: uteca036@unibi.uni-bielefeld.de (Ruediger Kaatz)
Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 & mouse
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 12:00:34 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld

>>Anybody out there know how to make the Amiga mouse work with
>>Windows 3.1 on a A2286 bridgeboard? My Windows setup program won't
>>recognize (or find) the amouse.drv file, which is the amiga mouse
>>driver Window's is supposed to be able to recognize.
>
>janus 2.1 comes with a windows 3.0 compatible mouse driver.  supposedly, the
>driver also works with windows 3.1, but you have to do something odd to install
>it.  see an earlier post for how to get janus 2.1.
>
>>        - Bobby
>
>  --Scotty
>--
Hi guy! Didn`t the Scotty just say Windows doesn`t find the mouse driver!
That`s because Windows looks for a file which discribes which drivers there
are on a disk or in a directory. So since this file doesn`t exist in the janus
directory just install a different bus-mouse (at least that`s what I did) from
Windows and copy over the mouse.drv the Amouse.drv.

It work`s I did it.

Bye Rudy!


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: Where to get sytem disks
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 02:47:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.035735.18494@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> 8939527@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () writes:
>	I am after the system disk for Amax the mac emulator. I managed to find
>System 6.07 on ftp.apple.com but it I ahve trouble in the fact that it's hqx and when uncompressing it gives an .image file. I am supposed to use a program called diskcopy V4.0 or something to map this image on a HD disk. I have had no 
>success. If anybody could help me to get the system diks on for amax emulator.
>I have an MAC drive but it is obviously only 800 K
>	All help appreciated. Please leave all answers on the net.

   Grab a program from sumex-aim.stanford.edu called "mount image".  This
program lets you take image files and 'mount' them on the desktop as fake
floppy disks.  You can then copy the files out of the fake disks to real
disks, and install the system.  BTW, it works fine with 1.44MB image files,
too.

>		John

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: lcline@agora.uucp (Larry Cline)
Subject: Re: A2286 BB FATAL ERROR!  HELP!
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 07:37:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.163229.22524@unixg.ubc.ca> ewong@ucs.ubc.ca (Eldon Wong) writes:
>In article <styx.714287749@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> styx@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Allan Hirt) writes:
>>
>>I am trying to boot my 286 BB, and the display is giving me a 'Parity
>>Error on main circuit board - fatal error!'
>>
>>What should I do?  Reseat the board?
>>
>>Allan
>>styx@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu
>
>From my experience as a support person of DOS machines (as well as others),
>a "parity" error usually (but not always) means there is a memory chip
>problem.  Reseating the board probably won't fix the problem.  You may have
>to take the board in (or do it yourself if you can) and get the memory chips
>checked and replace the bad one(s).
>
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When I get these errors on my BB I take the board out, push down on all
the socketed chips and reseat the board.  This generally cleared the
problem when it occured to me.


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From: keithc@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Keith Christopher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: XT Bridgeboard & 720K floppies??
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:22:02 GMT
Organization: Johns Hopkins Univ. Welch Medical Library


Anyone know of any good PD emulator that'll let the amy read MAC disks and WRITE to them !!! ??
 

Any help appreciated.

keithc
From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Accelerators for BB
Date: 12 Aug 92 05:49:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: transarc.0eWFPfn0Bwwt19SFg2
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

If you're using an Amiga hard disk for an emulated BB hard disk, you may
be suffering more from disk waits than from processor slowness.  Try
adding more buffers to the Amiga hard disk partition where your emulated
disk is.  Also, there's a one-trace plus one-wire hardware patch for the
286 BB that speeds up its disk processing a LOT.  I think I could dig
this up if you need it (if you have an emulated 286 hard disk).

		Craig
From: rblewitt@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Richard Blewitt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Emplant speed...
Date: 13 Aug 92 08:31:36 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <16cpbhINN1lk@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> smythe@cats.ucsc.edu (Brian Matthew Aljian) writes:
>
>In article <36786@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> rblewitt@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Richard Blewitt) writes:

>>corresponding 680x0 one.  A chip could do this on the fly, so CPU
>>just sees the 680x0 instruction, with 0 cycles used for instruction
>>translation.  So it would appear (at least in theory) that 386
>>speeds can be achieved with an 030.

>I see your point...  That would be pretty fast.  You might be able to get a
>decent 25 MHz 386 speed out of an '030 based machine.  Some of those 40 MHz
>386 systems fly, though!  If I were to buy an IBM compatible, I'd buy one of
>those.

I'd rather go the 486 rout if forced to get a clone.  However, my
room for the next several years can support 1 computer (space and
outlet wise) and the idea of getting a board for ~$350 (guessing at
the price) that gives me a mac IIci and a 386 (even if the graphics
resolution and colors are less) sounds wonderful.

>I am guessing, however, that some 80x86 instructions would not map to just one
>680x0 instruction -- it might take two or more.  This would obviously slow
>down the emulation.

My hunch is that most of them can be done on a 1 to 1
correspondence.  I'm not an expert on the differences between the 2
processors though, perhaps Jim or one of the software emulator
writers could enlighten us.

Rick


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From: gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento)
Subject: Re: Emplant IBM
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 05:58:51 GMT

In article <James_Hastings-Trew.0i7k@telepro.UUCP> James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew) writes:
>
> JD> What?  First of all, there is no new "chip-set" to replace the
> JD> existing
> JD> chip-set.  The new CBM machines function fine with EMPLANT.
>
>There is a chipset coming out soon (will be announced end of September)
>that is widely being called the Double-A chipset. It offers double the
>bandwidth of the current chipset. This means 8 bit hires, and hires 64
>register HAM mode.
>
>You gotta keep up with things there, Jim. The new machines being announced
>soon do not have this new chipset in them. They are just new faces on old
>products, and one new product that has stuff in it that you can put
>together yourself (the 040 tower, which replaces the 3000T).
>
>If you are not a registered Commodore developer, then I suggest that you
>become one, and you would find this information out.
>
>-- Via DLG Pro v0.995
>

Until this chipset appears I would be unwilling to declare it as real or
unreal.  It is too early to tell right now because those who know are bound
by a NDA from Commodore, and those who don't know are too busy speculating on
the chips capabilities.  That "announcement" someone posted here could be a 
joke just to see what kind of reaction would be elicited from the Amiga
Community.  The moral being, try to take all "annoucements" like the one
about the "AA" chipset with a large grain of salt.

I am about to become a certified developer.  The documents I got from Commodore
explicitly state that C= reserves the right to terminate your developer status
at any time.  Releasing confidential information constitutes a breach of      
contract and gives them the legal *CAUSE* to terminate you.  I, for one, do not
intend to blow my status as a developer just to tell everyone else about
something new.   

Don't get me wrong.  From the rumoured capabilities of this new chipset, if it
indeed does exist, I'd say it's what we've all been waiting for.  I hope it
IS real.  If I have to get a whole new Amiga to get it SO WHAT?  My point
is that no one should really get their hopes up until we KNOW for a FACT these
chips exist.

BTW, no flames are intended, just my two cents worth.


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From: givler@bermuda (Greg Givler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: 386 Bridgeboard Janus problem
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:00:06 GMT
Organization: Another Amiga UNIX System

In article <Bstoyz.IAM@unx.sas.com> jamie@cdevil.unx.sas.com (James Cooper) writes:
>
>In article <63784@cup.portal.com>, Hytec@cup.portal.com (Brandon Lee Worrell) writes:
>>
>>Hello, I am having a small problem with my 386 bridgeboard in a 3000.  I keep
>>getting an "Cant open Janus.library" when I run the software.  Janus.library
>>is in the libs: directory.  Is there anything else I could be doing wrong?
>
>Its been a while, but I seem to remember that janus.library had to live
>in the Expansion directory, and it gets loaded by the BindDrivers call
>in your Startup-Sequence.
>
>BindDrivers won't find it anywhere except the Expansion drawer...
>
>-- 
>---------------
>Jim Cooper
>(jamie@unx.sas.com)                             bix: jcooper

Jim is right, however I do have a question. I spent many hours 
writing a very complete and reliable Install script. If you had used it
it would have put janus.library and its icon in the expansion drawer, they 
both have to be there BTW. If you got your Bridgeboard factory installed
then they must be doing something wrong at the factory and I need to 
look into it. If your dealer did it, then he should be advised as 
to the proper procedure for installation.

Greg
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