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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 14:47:22 EDT
From:         Greg Martin <martin@HQ.AF.MIL>
Subject:      StreetTalk woes

We've been working a problem for sometime on getting two servers to talk x.25
Server to server without a PDN.  The problem was finally solved by a diligent
comm technician.  However, in the process of getting the two servers to talk,
he made a critical error which I didn't recognize until too late.

Early in his testing, he created a group on server 1 which was the same as that
on server 2.  He never deleted it.  A month later after he got the servers
 talking
I noticed the ST information from the group on server2 wasn't available to the
rest of the network.  While snooping, I found the duplicate group.  I went to
server 1 and deleted the duplicate group, rebooted server 2 to force an ST
broadcast, but still the ST entries for server 2 aren't available from anywhere
on the network (except server 2),

What must we do to get server 2's St information out to the rest of the world?
Did I screw up by deleting the duplicate group?  Should I have "moved" the
group to tape vs deleting it?

\Greg Martin
martin@hq.af.mil
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 11:12:36 PDT
From:         Mark Westley <chiremv!markw@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject: Re: Progress on the FAQ

On behalf of our community, Thanks Robert !

Now my question:

We don't have Vines 5.0 yet, but soon...

I'm looking for an executive calendering program.
Does anyone know of a way for Macs & PCs to access/update the SAME
calendar ? Has anyone else attempted/tackeled this kind of problem ?

Is there any software that will work w/ Vones 5.x to make this possible ?
Currently We have all our Banyan PC linked on a (flat class B) ethernet.
The Apples (oh, excuse me, "Macs") are bridged into the net w/ Kenetics &&
Gator boxes.

We have looked at Word Perfect Office; Even though it Klunky, I can't find any
other software that fills this need. The only other idea I've had, is getting
X-windowing software && trying to run a Open Look (or some equivelent X-based
package) from our Unix (Sun) file server.

Any ideas or experiences you wish to share on this would be appreciated.

Mark Westley	e-mail: markw@chiremv
Chiron Corp.	v-mail: 510-420-4767
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:55:35 EDT
From:         "Elliott Coates" <coates@UMUC.UMD.EDU>
Subject: re: LPD (sharing BPRINT)

>>Correct.. BPRINT only exists if you have the toolkit. And... yes it is
>>
>> Rather UNIX bprint only exists if you have the toolkit.  A DOS version
>>        ^^^^
>> is on the Z: drive.   Ian first stated this a few days ago.

>>  |               Elliott Coates, washington dc                        |

>Yes, I thought that was implied since we were talking about a UNIX service!

Since you were speaking of it's existence I thought I'd assure the crowd that
it does exist under DOS.

Cheers,

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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 08:42:12 CDT
From:         JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SWRI.EDU
Subject:      Disk 1 replacement

To All who have answered (so far...)

	Thank you. It appears that installing vines from the release media,
then switching to the backup tape will be the best way to restore things -
although I will be moving a lot of services (print, mostly) from the large to
the small disk. And yes, I think I shall ("high level") format the big drive
since otherwise VINES is still on it and eating space.... sigh.

	We are scheduled to do this the 12-14th. I will let y'all know. (Yes,
I live in Texas and actually like the phrase.)

	josef
	jzeevi@swri.edu
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:42:16 EST
From:         Chris=Belmans%Bib%Rechten@CC3.KULEUVEN.AC.BE
Subject:      re: update vines/386 4.0 to 5.0

Upgrade of Vines 4.0 to 5.0, from a 386 to a 486 platform.

No problem, I think.
Vines Unlimited works on 386-s and 486-s processors.
"Once" there was a 486 version of Vines 4.0

Chris
cbelmans@cc3.kuleuven.ac.be
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Subject: July 27 Banyan PR release on network services for NetWare
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:11:34 GMT
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

If anyone else still needs a copy of that July 27 Banyan PR
release on their network services for NetWare, please let me know.
Our network connection was down for a while, so some requests
may have been bouncing.

Michael.Willett@OFFICE.Wang.com
From: Stephane=Bourque%Eng%Incognito@DEAN.ARTS.SFU.CA
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Subject: re: Is it possible to use POP clients with BANYAN ?
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:29:47 GMT
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I hope you mean in your question....

	Can I run NUPOP while logged in Vines ?

	From what I know about POP, you could use it if your were running Vines 	and
 NDIS or you could use FTP's POP.  I don't know what NUPOP
	requires.

If you meant...

	Can I look at my Banyan mailbox using POP ?

	The answer is NO.

	Is anyone else using POP out there ?


	Thanks...


	Stephane Bourque
	Incognito Software Inc.
	Voice: (604)669-7575
	Fax:   (604)669-7576

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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:15:04 AES
From:         Ian=Brabham%CC%Monash@BANYAN.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU
Subject:      re: fORCING a server to recognise other servers

Chris Hudson,

Someone in your Canberra office will know all about this.

>We have 55 servers on our network, but one of these obviously is having
>problems because it only recognises 21 of these.  The ones it does recognise
>are spread throughout Australia so there does not appear to be anything wrong
>with our X.25 links.

Unless something is seriously wrong (like you are swapping/reusing/etc
server keys) this should correct itself over a 12 hour period.  Key serial
number problems take 96 Hours to clear without serious help.

>Does anyone have an idea how to get this server to recognise the other servers

A StreetTalk coldstart WITH the server connected to the network should cause
it to get a full network download from one of it's neighbours.

A coldstart can be caused by,
a) The coldstart ST option under Vines Assistant.
b) KICKST from LanShark systems (working demo avail on csus.edu).
c) Dialin by Banyan.
d) Remove the file /disk1/banyan/st/STHeardFrom and reboot (but how do you
   get to it ;-).

>I have tried creating a new group on the server, but this does not appear to
>have worked.

This causes other servers to recognise it but not it to recognise other
servers.  If you add a group to one of the "invisible" servers, after
a few minutes that server should become "visible".

Ian Brabham                 email: ian@banyan.cc.monash.edu.au
Micro Support Group         phone: +61 3 565 4742
Monash University           fax:   +61 3 565 4746
Melbourne Australia
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:58:57 EDT
From:         "Elliott Coates" <COATES@UMUC.BITNET>
Subject:      Hurray!

Hurray to Banyan for Vines a la SCO Unix!

Hurray to Banyan for StreetTalk a la Netware!

Hurray to Banyan for Intelligent Messaging Services!

Hurray to Banyan for Vines 5.0!

Hurray to Banyan for Better X.400 with Retix!

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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:52:27 PDT
From:         Craig Armstrong <craiga@SPOCK.DIS.CCCD.EDU>
Subject:      re: LPD

>
> Isn't it possible to write LPD in such a way that it calls the existing
> bprint utility without having to have a version specific copy of bprint
> included in the LPD service?  Can any of the toolkit guru's out there answer
> this?  I guess I'm assuming a copy of bprint exists as part of Vines even if
> the toolkit is not installed but I have no way to prove this.
>
> Looking for a better way,
> John Carver
>
I've never realized that bprint was version specific, at least not till 5.00.
There are major enhancements to the RPC mechanism that is used in 5.00 as
compared to earlier versions of VINES. The "correct" way to implement the
service would be to call the BPS service directly as opposed to using bprint.
We have been using the uprint service from PG&E because source code was
provided. What I did was go in and change all the bprint gunk to BPS RPC
calls to avoid the problem of having bprint on all my servers. I have not
tried our modified service on 5.00 yet. The bad news is the BPS RPC spec
is undocumented. Banyan has promised to deliever the interface in the
toolkit in the near future for 5.00, but I'm not holding my breath....


--

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*  Craig Armstrong - VINES hack...             craiga@spock.dis.cccd.edu   *
*  Coast Community College District            (714) 432-5066              *
*  District Information Services               Costa Mesa,  Ca  USA  92626 *
*                                                                          *
*  "If it doesn't matter if you win or lose, why do they keep score?"      *
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From: bws@ccs.carleton.ca (Brian Sullivan)
Subject: LPD
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:30:27 GMT

I have taken a copy of LPD 1.0e and replace the Vines 4.00 print
with a vines 5.00 version. 

For now a copy is at 134.117.1.1:/pub/banyan/lpd-5.zip 

I do not have Vines 5.00 installed. People have told me that
lpd will run under Vines 5.00 but would not talk to a 
5.00 print queue. I hope this fixes the problem.

If some kind soul would like to try it out and let us know,
it would be appreciated.
From: Charan van Tijn@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Charan van Tijn)
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Subject: Re: DAT tapestreamers
Date: 8 Sep 92 06:50:19 GMT
Organization: ACCU, Academisch Computer Centrum Utrecht

We have a 486 with 1 Gigabyte Harddisk and Vines 4.11(5).

We used a Gigabyte DAT tapestreamer, but the server kept crashing halfway 
down the backup. At first we didn't believe it could be the tapestreamer so 
we have replaced just about everything else in that server. Finally we put a 
250 Mb ARCHIVE inside which uses the old style DC6250 cartridges. Now it 
works fine, except for the time and the tapes it takes to backup. 
Our VAR says he has an exact configuration like our old configuration with 
gigabyte-streamer and they don't have any problems whatsoever.

Charan van Tijn
Charan@cc.ruu.nl
Rijksuniversiteit Utrecht Holland
tel +31-30-537506
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 10:01:22 PDT
From:         MA=Crist%Info_Sys%STG_IS@DSO3.DSD.TRW.COM
Subject:      re: SystemPro LT

Bob,

We use the Exabyte EXB8200 internal drive in our regular Systempros.  We run
Vines 4.11(5) SMP.  The drives are connected to Adaptec 1740 controllers.
They work great in this configuration.  We have never experienced a problem
(other than the bogus incompatibility message that VINES generates when the
server boots).

Mike Crist
TRW
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:40:24 PDT
From:         Craig Armstrong <craiga@SPOCK.DIS.CCCD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: update vines/386 4.0 to 5.0

>
> Hi!
>  I have a little problem. I have Vines/386 Unlimited 4.0 and I want a upgrade
> to 5.0. The problem is that I want the 5.0 version running on a 486.Does
> anybodyknows how to upgrade from a 386 to 486?
> Thanks for help
> Sven
>

First, you need to upgrade to 4.10 using the green disk for disk #3.
This will "patch" SS to ignore the 486 option thus allowing you to
runn on a 486. Backing up a bit, you can either do the 4.10 upgrade on
your current 386 and then move the disk to a 486 or move the drive to a
486 then do the upgrade. As far as 4.0 to 5.0 upgrade, if it is even
possible, I don't know if it would work. Chances are it would, but
Banyan "officially" does not support an upgrade straight from 4.00 to
5.00. Play it safe and follow the migration path. There were some
changes to things such as the file system that could cause a problem
if you bypass 4.100 or 4.11...

I'm sure others will jump in here and correct me if I'm wrong!. Hey....
I just wrote 3000 lines of C Code today and I'm definately brain dead at
this point!!

Oh yeah, in the release notes for 4.10 they say to upgrade with the
normal disks first, then after the server comes up, reload with the
green disk...  Bull@#($*&... Save yourself 19 disk insertations and
substitute the green disk on the first shot....
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*  Craig Armstrong - VINES hack...             craiga@spock.dis.cccd.edu   *
*  Coast Community College District            (714) 432-5066              *
*  District Information Services               Costa Mesa,  Ca  USA  92626 *
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*  "If it doesn't matter if you win or lose, why do they keep score?"      *
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 11:20:13 EDT
From:         Shirley Rodgers <D1SLR@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Question for ABUI

I will take these questions to the conference. The 5-10-20 question was
brought up at the last Banyan Q&A. Banyan was to "get back with us" on
that one. We have requested a response to that question and all others
that were submitted in writing but not addressed at the Q&A.

Shirley Rodgers
ABUi Membership Director
SRodgers@uakron.edu
From: scoggin@opus.ee.udel.edu (John K Scoggin)
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Subject: Re: Is it possible to use POP clients with BANYAN ?
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:25:49 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

In article <BANYAN-L%92091105571622@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> Craig Armstrong <craiga@SPOCK.DIS.CCCD.EDU> writes:
>>
>> I am wondering if it is possible to use a POP client (NUPOP is my
>> case) on a PC that is connected on BANYAN.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Herman-
>>
>
>For those of us who are not sure what a POP client (or NUPOP) is, could
>you be more specific! :-) Can't help much without details!
>
>--
>
>****************************************************************************
>*  Craig Armstrong - VINES hack...             craiga@spock.dis.cccd.edu   *
>*  Coast Community College District            (714) 432-5066              *
>*  District Information Services               Costa Mesa,  Ca  USA  92626 *
>*                                                                          *
>*  "If it doesn't matter if you win or lose, why do they keep score?"      *
>****************************************************************************

POP is the Post Office Protocol.  These are based upon TCP/IP, and there
are Versions 2 and 3.  It enables a low-end workstation (typically a PC or
Mac) to access mail located on a centralized mail server.  There are several
mail transport agents and readders available that utilize these protocols.

I placed a request through ABUI for POP support.  It was not voted upon
favorably by the membership, probably due to ignorance of the issues in
running a multi-platform environment or due to unfamiliarity with POP2 
or POP3.

	- John

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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 10:34:42 -0700
From:         Tanu Kartawiria <tanu@CSULB.EDU>
Subject:      TelnetD

Anybody successfully install and use TELNETD program on Vines? If so,
I would like to know what difficulties, if any, you have in install/using
this neat program.

PS: TelnetD allows you to telnet to a workstation running telnetD from
	any machine that has TCP/IP telnet capabilities (I think). Sort
	of a dial-in program that let you control your remote PC.

Thanks
-tanu-
CSLUB LIB LAB COMP
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 06:26:27 CDT
From:         JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SWRI.EDU
Subject:      Disk 1 replacement

Hi!
	I want to replace my disk1 (moving the current disk1 to disk2). I
realize I will have to install the drive, as if new - and the time that takes.
However, I was wondering if there is a way to save myself the 13-18 hours of
formatting time on my (soon to be) new disk 2.

	I am adding a 200 Meg drive for Disk 1 and moving my 1.2Gigabyte drive
to disk2. (NOS, etc... on disk1, user stuff, etc... on disk 2.)

	Any suggestions or ideas would be appreciated....

	Mail the list, or mail direct (address below).

	Thanks,


	josef
	jzeevi@swri.edu
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:36:03 EDT
From:         "Elliott Coates" <coates@UMUC.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Is it possible to use POP clients with BANYAN ?

>For those of us who are not sure what a POP client (or NUPOP) is, could
>you be more specific! :-) Can't help much without details!

It is a mail protocol just as SMTP is a mail protocol specified in RFC 822.
FTP's TCP/IP, for one, supports POP over its TCP/IP transport.

Elliott Coates
coates@umuc.umd.edu
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 12:30:59 EDT
From:         David=Blair%ComputerSrvcs%WILL@BIGBIRD.WILL.UIUC.EDU
Subject:      re: INVALID PASSWORDS AGAIN!

I know this would take forever to do, but assign the studnets new passwords
that you made up??!!

	-dlb
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:18:45 EDT
From:         "Elliott Coates" <coates@UMUC.UMD.EDU>
Subject: re: Is it possible to use POP clients with BANYAN ?

>I don't imagine Banyan will consider it
>even remotely important unless more of the installed base gets up to speed
>on the value of POP.

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>|  Robert Sparre		Internet:    sparre@delmarva.com           |

In what important ways does it differ from SMTP or even Banyan mail.  What are
its good features?

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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 15:20:13 EST
From:         Chris=Belmans%Bib%Rechten@CC3.KULEUVEN.AC.BE
Subject:      re: Dial-in w/ com2 & Restore only a few files.

Vines can use COM2 for Dial-In : it's being set with PCCONFIG!
(select asynchron. comm. as the 'network' card).

Chris.
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 07:47:51 EDT
From:         Russel=Grocott%ITS=Staff%CURTIN@BA1.CURTIN.EDU.AU
Subject:      re: Dial-in w/ com2 & Restore only a few files.

If you go into PCCONFIG and find the asynchronous connection in the list of
driver options you will see the option for selecting the connection port
number.

Cheers
	Russel Grocott (email:- grocottr@ba1.curtin.edu.au)
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:09:44 EST
From:         Steve=Skilbeck%Economics%UNIMELB@MUWAYE.UNIMELB.EDU.AU
Subject:      Banyan Mail

Hi,

Just wondering is there a Banyan mail program out there that allows you to
basic things like "quote" on answering mail.  I'm used to using ELM in unix,
where quoting is simple - it appears that in Banyan mail it isn't even an
option?

Do most people use third party mail programs? or just live with its
deficiencies?


Stephen Skilbeck

Steve=Skilbeck%Economics@pc.unimelb.edu.au
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:03:59 EET
From:         Juha Harakka SALCOM Finland Oy <harakka_j@SALCJKL.SALCOM.FI>
Subject:      VINES/Unix printing&VINES for SCO

Hello,

Couple of questions regarding VINES and Unix printing.  I know that
there's some products (at least in public domain), that makes VINES
server to act as lpd-server allowing unix-machines (or some other
TCP/IP-boxes) to print on VINES queues.  Does any of these products
support the reverse? I.e. printing from VINES queues to Unix (or any
other lpd-server) queues?  Is there any list of the availability of
these kind of products.

One solution that comes to mind is the VINES for SCO.  The brochure
about the VINES for SCO Print Option says that 'Remote Network
Printing: Yes'.  Does this mean exactly what I have described above?

Also, speaking about VINES for SCO.  Does the File option, that features
UNIX Connectivity File System (UCFS), support VINES clients to access file
systems that are NFS-mounted to the SCO box? I.e VINES clients would
be able to access files on some third machine by mounting them on the
SCO box via NFS and making them available to the VINES network via UCFS.

Thanks in advance,
					- juha -




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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:59:58 -0400
From:         "Jeffrey G. Brown" <usr0377a@TSO.UC.EDU>
Subject:      COM3: for Dialin?

Is there any way to configure the Asynchronous Communications driver in
4.00(1) to use COM3:?

Jeffrey G. Brown
usr0377a@tso.uc.edu
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 07:23:33 PST
From:         Gerry Przybyszewski <Gerry_Przybyszewski@CCM.HF.INTEL.COM>
Subject:      Updating lists

List....

I have recently had to switch Bnayan id.'s but my old id is
on many, many lists so I am currently running with two
id.'s.

Is there anyway/program that will search out my old id in
all lists and replace it with my new one???

Many thanks

Gerry

E-Mail : Gerry_Przybyszewski@ccm.hf.intel.com
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