From: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Subject: Re: Kremlin_Gate: Bill Clinton in Moscow during Viet Nam.
Reply-To: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 06:12:32 GMT


In a previous article, john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) says:

>Keywords: 
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>In article <1992Oct10.081708.24118@news.ysu.edu> ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller) writes:
>]In a previous article, john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) says:
>]>]In article <1992Oct7.022226.19164@anasazi.com> john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) writes:
>]>]
>]>]> He WAS in the SU in '70. He admitted it on TV last night.
>]>]
>]>]"Admitted"?!  It's an "admission" to say that you travelled during
>]>]your Christmas vacation?  
>]>
>]>Yes, admitted. He never brought it up until he was asked as a result
>]>of Republican digging.
>]
>]Amazing.
>]
>]He didn't volentarily disclose that he took a vacation 23 years ago.
>]Why is it he SHOULD have addressed the issue before the Republicans
>]"dug" it up?
>
>Since he was an anti-war activist (something else he conveniently
>"forgot" to tell the american people), and was demonstrating against
>American policy in a foreign country, and went to the capital of what
>was at that time considered a mortal enemy of the us.... yes, he should
>have addressed it. Furthermore, it would have saved him a lot of trouble,
>since the way it came out, in dribbles, led to him repeatedly lying
>and dissembling about the issue, and then being contradicted, by
>others OR HIMSELF, within days. Not a stellar performance.
>

Indeed?  So, a lie of ommision is, in you opinion, as bad as a lie of
consperacy?  (Bush admitted this morning that he's been lying all along
about Iran/contra and islamigate)


>If he can't take these sorts of attacks and respond honestly, why should
>we expect him to be honest about other issues?
>
>]> This is the same guy who has been slippery about
>]>the draft business, dishonest about the Jennifer Flowers business, and in
>]>general lies a lot.
>]
>]A POLITICIAN, LIE!!  Say it ain't so!!
>]
>]Clinton does not have a monopoly on that, you know.  
>]His draft record is irrelevant, he has stated he took LEGAL steps
>]to aviod serving in a war he felt and still feels was morally wrong.
>]
>]Jennifer Flowers is irrelevant, as any problem exested between himself
>]and his wife, and they have resolved them.  The rest of it is the business
>]of no one, unless you wish to take the stand that ALL persons who have had
>]marital problems should be required to disclose all to the public.
>
>If you want to consider a long record of lying for no good reason at all,
>cheating on his wife, and political favoritism for his lover, to be
>immaterial, then you'll love Slick Willie. I happen to consider them
>all windows into his soul, and what I see through those windows isn't
>pretty.

There's no proof, other then by repeated assertion, that Ms. Flowers got
any such "political favortism".  I maintain that the Clintons have gotten
past their marital problems, and as such, it's no one's business but their
own.

>
>]> All sorts of stuff about his anti-war stuff is now
>]>coming out. I have no problems with him being against the war, but when
>]>he (a) demonstrates against the US in a FOREIGN country, and, the same
>]>year (b) travels to the capital of the main embassy while we are in a war,
>]>I have real problems with his judgement.
>]>
>]
>]Why?  It was, in 1969, neither illegal, nor immoral, to either protest
>]the war, or travel to the Soviet Union.
>
>No, but it was anti-american to protest American policies in a foreign
>country, which is the main allegation. Furthermore it was of questionable
>judgement to travel to the capital of the main enemy while being involved
>in those activities.

I see.  So, upon leaving american soil, he gives up his First ammendment
rights?  Nonesense.

There is no evidence that his trip to Moscow had any connection whatsoever
with his anti-war activities.

Further, we are talking about a 22 year old college student who had a chance
to see the world...He'd have been a fool to turn down that opertunity.

I think you are still stuck in the cold war mentality.

Newsflash!!  the cold war is over, the USSR is dead.  Live with it.

>
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