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From: russed@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Daniel Russell)
Subject: Re: What is lacking in UNIX? (Re: UNIVEL MUST BE KIDDING!!!!!)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:39:02 GMT

larry@gator.use.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

>sl@wimsey.bc.ca (Stuart Lynne) writes:

>>Faced with a decision - $200 for CD-ROM drive or $100 for Floppy distribution kit - 

>where can we get a CD-ROM for $200?

	You can get Linux on CD-ROM for $99.  Check comp.os.linux for the
address/phone/snail.  I don't know if it's released yet, but it will be in
the very near future.

 dan

>-- 
>Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.use.com
>keeper of the Gator                                   uucp: uunet!gator!larry
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From: imp@boulder.parcplace.com (Warner Losh)
Subject: Re: BSD ftpd doesn't work?
Organization: ParcPlace Boulder
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:01:49 GMT

In article <BzD6un.2JB@news.rn.com> larry@news.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>Does it support symbolic links?  My problem is that I can't have
>symbolic links off my anonymous ftp directories.  The directories
>can be made, and will show up when logging into the directory from
>from the shell, or valid login's using ftp, but don't show up when
>logging in via anonymous ftp.

ftpd does a chroot to ~ftp when running "anonymously."  This will make
it very hard for it to find any symbolic links that are absolute paths
relative to / rather than ~ftp.  You will have to come up with some
scheme to have your nfs daemon mount things somewhere in the ~ftp
subtree.  I think this will explain your problem.

Warner
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From: rfg@netcom.com (Ronald F. Guilmette)
Subject: GNU C compiler for SVR4... Let's set the record straight.
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 08:59:36 GMT

Some time ago, Peer Stritzinger wrote:

> >IMHO dell is a good product at the moment (I'm using it).  Depending
> >upon what they package with Solaris, this might all change.
> 
> >Bruno
> 
> At present they are packaging a lot of GNU stuff with their
> SYSVR4, perhaps they bundle the GNU-developmet system from
> Cygnus.

Let's be real clear about this.

Dell does indee ship GNU stuff (including the GNU C compiler, or so
I'm told) but it doesn't comp from Cygnus, nor was it developed solely
by them.

In fact, I'm the one who ported GCC to SVR4.  If you get a copy of the
source code for GCC, just look at the configuration files and you'll
see my name near the top of each of the ones relating specifically to SVR4.

Unfortunately, the fact that I did the fundamental work needed to port
GCC to SVR4 has never stopped Cygnus from trying to take full credit
for all of that work.  Needless to say, I find this rather slimy on
their part.

-- 

// Ron ("Loose Cannon") Guilmette    uucp: ...uunet!lupine!segfault!rfg
//
//      "On the one hand I knew that programs could have a compelling
//       and deep logical beauty, on the other hand I was forced to
//       admit that most programs are presented in a way fit for
//       mechanical execution, but even if of any beauty at all,
//       totally unfit for human appreciation."
//                                              -- Edsger W. Dijkstra
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From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: What is lacking in UNIX? (Re: UNIVEL MUST BE KIDDING!!!!!)
Date: 23 Dec 1992 00:46:03 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


In article <something> <somebody> writes:
>In <something else> <somebody else> writes:
>
>:> What is lacking ?
>
>:The ability to stick a floppy in a brand new computer, turn it on, and
>:have it come up running UNIX.

If UNIX were as simple to install and configure as DOS it would be as
useful as DOS.
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Ya can talk all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was!"
"No it aint!  But ya gotta know the territory!"
        Meredith Willson: "The Music Man"

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From: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: Novell bought USL?
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:27:06 GMT
	<16053@auspex-gw.auspex.com> <1992Dec23.180219.25620@sci34hub.sci.com>
	<PCG.92Dec27232149@decb.aber.ac.uk>
	<1992Dec28.033404.11512@sci34hub.sci.com>
Reply-To: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
Organization: Prifysgol Cymru, Aberystwyth

On 28 Dec 92 03:34:04 GMT, gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston) said:

gary> (Piercarlo Grandi) writes:

pcg> I doubt this very much. I think that Novell see Unix not as
pcg> competition but as salvation, as Novell (and AT&T) are scared dead
pcg> by Windows NT.

gary> In view of the large amount of resources needed by Windows in
gary> general, and what NT is looking like, I doubt that Novell is
gary> "scared dead". I'm sure they are expecting to fight for market
gary> share, but only if Windows NT Server comes out cheap; something
gary> that hasn't been true of Microsoft products other than early
gary> versions of DOS.

Microsoft have an habit of giving licenses to manufacturers for
virtually nothing. Preinstalling Windows 3.1 on a machine costs so
little that everybody does it; the millions and millions of Windows 3.1
sold each year are for the most part of this sort. It creates mass. It
looks good. And it shuts out the competition. Think of it: if every
Windows 3.1 user had to go out and purchase for something like a hundred
dollars the Windows 3.1 kit and install it manually, I think that many
fewer Windows 3.1 kits were sold, and because users tend to use whatever
"freebie" they find ready installed on their machine, and both because
if there is nothing bundled on the machine, they might not buy Windows
3.1 at all.

gary> Excuse me, but so far as I know, the only server support provided
gary> by Destiny/4.2/Unixware for graphics would be for X running on
gary> TCP/IP.

Firstly it is a fairly impressive X. They have a fairly decent sort of
drag-and-drop GUI (which is hard to dismiss)

Secondly they run Windows 3.1 under it, much like OS/2; actually better,
I think. Having used Windows 386/3.0 under DOSMerge on both a Dell SVR4
system and a Sun 386i workstation I can assure you that it runs zippily
fast, and it is exactly equivalent to the real thing. Well, actually
faster, thanks to a much faster IO subsystem than DOS, and to virtual
memory.
--
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  E l'italiano cantava, cantava. E le sue disperate invocazioni giunsero
  alle orecchie del suo divino protettore, il dio della barzelletta
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From: merce@xenitec.on.ca (Jim Mercer)
Subject: Re: What is lacking in UNIX? (Re: UNIVEL MUST BE KIDDING!!!!!)
Organization: Reptilian Research, Toronto, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 04:43:17 GMT

>	ISC UNIX uses OLD.unix, while still others use unix.old. Caramba!
>If they can't even standardize on a simple naming convention, what hope do
>we have?

go sample the PATH's of 500 PC's.

you call that standardization?

as a matter of fact, try comparing directory hierarchies on 500 PC's.

there a true mark of similarity

(mind you, you'll probably find that 250 of those PC's use the root for
main storage.)

-- 
[ Jim Mercer   Reptilian Research  merce@iguana.reptiles.org  +1 416-506-0654 ]
[                      longer life through colder blood                       ]
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 21 Dec 1992 15:56:28 CST
From: <U54294@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4
Subject:    Novell bought USL?

Hi folks,
   A colleague was on the phone to another colleague in Westwood, Mass.
about an hour ago. The Mass. colleague is listening to the radio, and says
that he heard a report about Novell buying USL. I'd read that rumor in the
trade press. True or false? If true, who has further details? Thanks...
                          Nick G.
                          U54294@uicvm.uic.edu   <-- Best
                          GEONI02@hera.cai.com
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From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: What is lacking in UNIX? (Re: UNIVEL MUST BE KIDDING!!!!!)
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:53:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.182806.18938@frcs.Alt.ZA> paul@frcs.Alt.ZA (Paul Nash) writes:
> Thus spake peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva):
> > I'm talking a *real* UNIX Lite here, not this Univel junk. Something that
> > lets you come up and run applications in 6 or 8 floppies, and be able to
> > do system checkout on a floppy boot sans hard disk.

> Have you tried 386bsd recently?

Funny you should mention that.

> Sure, it's still a hacker's paradise,
> and I for one would dread having to support a commercial-type site
> using it

Me to, but Xenix-286 was even smaller and I *do* support a commercial-type
site with it.

> HOWEVER, most small Unices that I have seen have at least 100MB disks,
> and are generally larger (for the accounts databane, or whatever), and
> so need _something_ for backup.

Same is true of DOS, but people still run bare. It's politically incorrect,
but I say you have to support people like that.

PLUS, you gotta ship drivers for those cheesy floppy-controller tapes, which
is what most DOS users who *do* have tapes use.
-- 
Peter da Silva                                            `-_-'
Ferranti International Controls Corporation                'U` 
Sugar Land, TX  77487-5012 USA
+1 713 274 5180                            "Zure otsoa besarkatu al duzu gaur?"
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From: rheiger@renext.eiger.olivetti.ch (Richard H. E. Eiger)
Subject: Re: Problems with "dirent"
Reply-To: rheiger@renext.eiger.olivetti.ch
Organization: Olivetti (Schweiz) AG, Branch Office Berne
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:56:03 GMT

In article <RAYMOND.92Dec16131013@cobra.es.ele.tue.nl> raymond@es.ele.tue.nl  
(Raymond Nijssen) writes:
> In article <1992Dec15.094802.3334@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> R.S.Jones@qmw.ac.uk (Robert  
S. Jones) writes:
> 
> >   In article <1992Dec13.193122.22173@osnbe.Olivetti.ch> Richard H. E.  
Eiger,
> >   rheiger@renext.open.ch writes:
> >>I can only assume that there has to be something depending on additional  
> >>libraries (I have to use -lsocket -lnsl -lucb). Can anyone confirm?
> 
> >   I think you NEED an explicit -lc *before* the -lucb. There is of course  
an
> >   invisible implicit one after it! :-) On my SVr4 (an ICL DRS6000 running  
DRS/NX
> >   - but what the heck!) leaving this out causes all sorts of weird problems  
with
> >   BSD and AT&T library routines having the same name but slightly different
> >   shaped parameters.
> 
> Compare the definitions of the BSD and SYSV dirent structs, and it'll be
> perfectly clear why SYSV and BSD libraries are incompatible. Therefore, these
> libraries should never be used together, notwithstanding the observation that
> inserting -lc before -lucb usually works.
> Lots of other things, notably signals, are affected by this.
> 
> The best way to avoid these problems is to reconsider if you actually need
> libucb. In most cases, a few trivial #define-s (eg. for bcopy, index etc.)
> will make -lucb obsolete.

I agree with what you say, in general. Also, in many cases where simple  
#define-s wouldn't help I find that the sys V or posix calls should be  
preferred. Unfortunately there are a few really usefull routines in libucb -  
which most of the time could be easily rewritten, of course.

What I don't like about the situation is that there is no man entry for some of  
the routines which are implemented both in libucb and libc - like the dirent -  
neither is it mentionned in the man page (of dirent).

In the special case of dirent, I was under the impression it goes under the  
name of direct in ucb systems. But I have only one man page and it is for  
dirent (posix).
	Richard
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From: brent@terminus.gatech.edu (Brent Laminack)
Subject: Re: Novell bought USL?
Organization: Georgia Tech College of Computing
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 02:10:10 GMT


A friend said "this is the end of Unix as we know it".

BSDI, here we come.


					
					-Brent Laminack (brent@cc.gatech.edu)
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From: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Subject: Re: Novell bought USL?
Reply-To: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Organization: SCI Systems, Inc., Huntsville, Al.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:31:17 GMT

In article <92356.155628U54294@uicvm.uic.edu> <U54294@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>   A colleague was on the phone to another colleague in Westwood, Mass.
>about an hour ago. The Mass. colleague is listening to the radio, and says
>that he heard a report about Novell buying USL. I'd read that rumor in the
>trade press. True or false? If true, who has further details? Thanks...

True, according to a press release posted in comp.os.novell, which I 
saw this morning.

Anybody know a good admin book for Windows NT?  :-(


-- 
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The Chairman of the Board and the CFO speak for SCI. I'm neither.
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radiation pulse [from a] nuclear weapon." As if we wouldn't notice...
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From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: What is lacking in UNIX? (Re: UNIVEL MUST BE KIDDING!!!!!)
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:00:51 GMT

In article <cbuckley.725061528@unix1.tcd.ie> cbuckley@unix1.tcd.ie (Colm Buckley) writes:
> You mean you want it to fit on a floppy?

Single-user, boots to a shell, vital utilities. Yes.

The whole "single-user with multiuser security" system with the standard
utilities and X shouldn't be more than 10 floppies. Anything you have to
leave out (like more than the console terminal description in termcap/
termlib, for example) to do that is fair game.

I used to run Version 7 on a PC/XT with a 10 MB drive.
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From: pls@cibecue.az05.bull.com (Paul Schauble)
Subject: Re: Will Dell load off a Wangdat DAT?
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems, Inc., Phoenix Product Division
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 09:02:09 GMT

> From: les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell)
> Subject: Re: Will Dell load off a Wangdat DAT?
> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:03:48 GMT
> 
>                      It seems to be really difficult to get information
> about the unix products from Dell.
> 
> Les Mikesell
>   les@chinet.chi.il.us
> 
No kidding. I stopped by their booth at Comdex on two different days wanting
to get a price for their Unix package so I could buy one. Each time I left
after a half hour not a bit the wiser.

I know The Net has praised Dell Unix and Dell support. But this really makes
me wonder how they would be AFTER they've gotten my money.

    ++PLS
From: andrew@rentec.com (Andrew Mullhaupt)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4
Subject: Re: What is lacking in UNIX? (Re: UNIVEL MUST BE KIDDING!!!!!)
Date: 31 Dec 92 20:39:00 GMT
Organization: Renaissance Technologies Corp., Setauket, NY.

In article <1992Dec30.183153.7098@Celestial.COM> bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell) writes:
>One reason is the limitation on DOS PATH length.

You can add environment space to allow for longer PATHS with a command
line switch to the COMMAND.COM invocation.

	[re: uucp location]

>One of the advantages of UNIX is that these things are in the
>same place on all systems (well mostly :-)

you mean mostly to apply to the smiley, no doubt...

Later,
Andrew Mullhaupt
From: ricks@odin.isc-br.com (Rick Schaeffer)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4
Subject: Re: What is lacking in UNIX? (Re: UNIVEL MUST BE KIDDING!!!!!)
Date: 23 Dec 92 01:27:29 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

In article <1992Dec22.100028.26428@fasttech.com> zeke@fasttech.com (Bohdan Tashchuk) writes:
>In <1992Dec19.010713.23959@isc-br.isc-br.com> ricks@odin.isc-br.com (Rick Schaeffer) writes:
>
>
>You can give Unix away for free and you won't penetrate the home PC market
>until you have
>
>	a better dos than dos
>	a better Windows than Windows

Granted.  I was assuming that Unixware does all of this (as is
reported).  It's compatibility with dos and windows is supposed to be pretty
good.

>This is OBVIOUS, OBVIOUS, OBVIOUS. And has been repeated over and over on
>the net. And yet people persist in thinking that all you need to do is lower
>Unix's price and the world will beat a path to its door.

Actually, a price of $100-$150 will cause a lot of folks just to buy it out
of curiosity (assuming that the marketing and distribution channels are working
right and that the product is easily available).  OS/2 2.0 sold quite well
initially based on just curiosity.  If it had worked as well as advertised,
the sales might well have kept right on going!  The KEY is price!  People
will buy something and give it a try if the price is low enough.  After that,
continuing sales require that the product work well, is stable, and is
compatible.  First ya got to get your foot in the door....
--
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From: mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
Subject: Re: Problem with lp.  Got me stumped.  (email, I'll sum)
Date: 31 Dec 1992 04:16:15 -0500
Organization: The Programmer's Pit Stop, Ann Arbor MI
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.ann-arbor.mi.us

[Note that crossposting has been trimmed to the relevant groups.]

In article <1hu0hfINNicm@spool.mu.edu> marcr@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Marc Rassbach) writes:
>What happens when it doesn't work is the softfonts get
>'munged' aka the 1 refuses to print in one of the fonts, the y
>and other characters in another, ad nausium.

Yep, I've seen this one.  The only difference was that the soft fonts
were part of the output of a DVI->LaserJet converter.

The problem is that Esix's parallel port driver is terminally broken.
Esix acknowledges that even in 4.0.4, their driver drops characters
all over the place with lots of different laser printers (including
printers made by Abaton, an Everex subsidiary.  They did not have any
plans to fix it the last time I talked to them, which was a couple
months ago.  As far as I could see their official line was to try one
of the PD polling parallel port drivers if I *had* to use the parallel
port; otherwise, use a serial port to talk to the printer.

I was not impressed with Esix's handling of the situation; in fact, it
was this problem that convinced me once and for all that Esix is not
an appropriate OS for use in a production environment.  It's one thing
to have a bug in your driver.  It's another thing entirely to (a) have
the bug in two subsequent releases of the OS; (b) have no fix for
something as basic as correct parallel port output; and (c) not even
have PLANS to release a fix at some point.  And people still wonder
why SCO does so well...

-- 
Marc Unangst, N8VRH         | "Of course, in order to understand this you
mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us   |  have to remember that the nucleus of the atom
                            |  is squishy."
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From: nigelc@cognos.com (Nigel Campbell)
Subject: iBCS2 SVR4
Organization: Cognos Incorporated, Ottawa CANADA
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 03:14:33 GMT


I am trying to locate technical information and contacts
re 'programs' or verification suites/processes for tools
vendors wishing to determine if they comply with iBCS2 or
SVR4. Inet addresses would be great otherwise regular phone
or fax# will do. thanks.
-- 
Nigel Campbell          Voice: (613) 738-1338 ext 3016    P.O. Box 9707
Cognos Incorporated       FAX: (613) 738-0002             3755 Riverside Dr.
Database and Connectivity MCI: nigel campbell || 307-4729 Ottawa, Ontario
UUnet: nigelc@cognos.COM                                  CANADA  K1G 3Z4
From: ilan343@violet.berkeley.edu (Geraldo Veiga)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4
Subject: Re: cd-rom
Date: 23 Dec 1992 06:00:17 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <n12d0t@ofa123.fidonet.org> Rick.Ellis@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>On <Dec 22 17:04> Larry Snyder writes:
>
> LS> where can we get a CD-ROM for $200?
>
>DAK

This goes back to the origin of this thread.  Is there any SVR4 vendor
supporting these inexpensive CD-ROM drivers?  If so, what kind of use
can one make of the driver under Unix?  For instance, can I read any of
the CD-ROM titles usually included with the driver (I always assumed
they include some DOS only software).



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From: sgilles@lectra.fr (Gilles Noyer)
Subject: Re: Physical Memory
Organization: Lectra Systemes, Cestas, France
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 10:30:06 GMT

 
In article <1629@tdat.teradata.COM>, wbj@ElSegundoCA.ncr.com (William Jones) writes:
> A have a need to determine how much physical memory is on a system from within a
> shell script. Is there a SVR4 command that will provide this info? 
> 
> 
You can try to use the prtconf command.

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From: karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Karl Denninger)
Subject: Telnetd request (second try) -- please reply via EMAIL
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:36:51 GMT
Organization: MCSNet, Chicago, IL

I am looking for a ported copy of the 4.3BSD RENO release of telnetd (or any
which will support 8-bit connections) that will compile under SVR4.

I need two things:

1)	Correct support for binary connections.  The one which DELL supplies
	doesn't work correctly for these links.

2)	The ability to hack on it to add an "issue" file.

If anyone has such a thing please send a pointer to it via email in reply to
this posting.

Thanks!

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