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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:17:29 -0800
From:         Peter Montgomery <MONTGOMERY@CAMINS.CAMOSUN.BC.CA>
Subject:      Re: What kind of people are you, anyway?
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> Evidently he's accomplished the latter.

I hope not.

> former.  This is the guy who posted something about Masonic plots

Sorry if I gave the impression of disrespecting the Masons. I was
trying to provide information re the source of "New World Order".
It is quite logical that a 33rd degree Mason, which the Pres. auto-
matically becomes -- ie. one of the grandest of the grand, would
be using the phrase. It is also quite logical, therefore, to find
Masonic influence in some key elements of US culture, like the back
of the green back. JFK's deliberate dissociation of himself from the
Masons, was just that -- not an attempt to put them down. They were,
up until recently at least -- if not still, quite anti-Catholic. A
current manifestation of that is to be found in the Orangemen of Ulster.
I think such dissociation is not disrespectful by intention, although
it may have that effect. In any case, I don't believe any of my remarks
about the Masons were directed at their beliefs -- only at their actions.

My concern here is, as I said, for basic beliefs.
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Subject:      Re: Red Line Story

The SK
>Isn't that canonical New York storefront pizza -- huge wedges with
>foldable crusts; just roll it up and snarf it?
AAron
>Well, when you ARE walking down the street, you have to make your pizza
>take up as little space as possible.  In any event, I always preferred
>Pizza Hut to anything NYC can dish out.

flame bait flame bait flame bait flame bait flame bait fleame bait flame bait

But, then, there's no accountling for taste -- yet another challenge to
a basic value!

JAG
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From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Burke again

On Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:13:21 +0100 <torkel@SICS.SE> said:
>  >I can help you with four-o'clocks:  a four o'clock bush has bell-shaped
>  >flowers that open up at roughly 4 P.M.
>
>  Sounds nice! Do you have a Latin name for it?

Sorry, no.  My dictionary at work doesn't have the Latin names for plants.
The one I have at home does, though.  I'll look it up this evening.

Evelyn
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From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (71
              11 Dec 1992 13:20:30 EST from <ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>

I guess Graham would call me "a dick-brained moron," too.  Oh, well,
knowing Graham, I just let him blow steam.  After all, anyone who sends
out "hug vouchers" can't be all bad.

Evelyn
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: Neologisms
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>> IMO, it is unreasonable to expect perfect spelling and syntax in anything
 that
>> has to be written under time limit conditions...... only those who never make
>> typos should 'cast stones'.
>
>Carolyn, John Bertrand quotes an Australian football coach on the
>real difference between professionals and amateurs: "the professional
>is dedicated to the total elimination of errors.  It has nothing to
>do with money."

I'm not about to take an Aussie football coach's word about anything. :-)

>>Why should time pressure be an excuse for errors?
>>
>>Steve Karlson

Without going into detail about the research that has been done in the area
of language disabilities (my field), let me just say that the stress invoked
by time limitations (or for any other reason) screws up the language
processing and production centres of the brain making the likelihood of errors
much greater under stress-invoking situations. Under stressful conditions
errors in judgement are more likely to be made also for a similar reason.

Carolyn
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From:         JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS
 <WILLIAMS%MC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Nagasaki

MamaP, you may have indeed have an alternate lyric.  I've just heard the
one, from Spanky & Our Gang and the Pasadena Rooftop Orchestra, but that's
still pretty damn good for a boomer, huh?  8-)  My mother would be proud.
(1st prize winner, Toledo Charleston contest, 1925.)

JMQ
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Date:         Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:45:09 CST
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Subject:      You can't bullshit in math? Yeah right!

Toal, clue man, clue! What do you mean, you can't bullshit in
math by saying "everyone thinks it's true"? That's in fact the
very basis of mathematics. Prove one mathematical thing without
saying "everyone thinks it's true".

Can't bullshit, donkey's left ball.

tushar
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Posted on 17 Dec 1992 at 18:10:27 by torkel@SICS.SE
>  >Interesting.  I have touched a Macintosh for many years, but using
>  >Windows felt *very* Macintoshy to me (especially using Word, I guess...).
>  I haven't used Windows myself, but the usual comments are that it is
>clumsy, idiotic, and limited. The business about opening documents
>seems to be a case in point.

Like I said....:)

Karen
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:21:05 EST
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      Hacker's Index
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Consider this a Don-antidote.




                      H A C K E R ' S  I N D E X


Number of programmers on any given day who read NetNews: 65,536


Percentage of programmers who were going to vote for Ross Perot: 33


Percentage of programmers who voted for Ross Perot: 33


People on the net who think Ross Perot is an operating system: 2


Odds that you'll have a virus on your computer this year: 1:2


Percentage of people who have bought Windows: 20


Percentage of people who clean windows: 0


Number of times, in a given day, someone posts the same joke to
rec.humor: 27


Number of times per day Brad Templeton has to read the same joke: 10


Daily accesses to alt.pictures hierarchy: 4096


Daily accesses to comp.sys hierarchy: 4096


Number of people who access both: 4096


Percentage of netnews readers who don't know what FAQ, IMHO, BTW or
RTFM mean: 10


Percentage of these readers who post to your favorite newsgroup: 100


Number of users who post to non-test groups with tests: 86


Average number of flames per message e-mailed: 1


Average number of flames per message posted: 5


Average length of time between post and flame: 10 sec.


                --From: quinn@sierra.stanford.edu (Christine A. Quinn)
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:33:38 -0500
From:         Agnes Kruchio <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: Blackberries
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              "lncjb@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU" at Dec 14, 92 9:51 am

>
> While we're on the subject of 'munching', I made a blackberry pie yesterday.
> It wasn't a flop (but there were less blackberries that wound up in it than
> were supposed too). The blackberries usually don't ripen until after
 Christmas,
> but with all the rain they are fruiting early. Kevin went out for an hour
> yesterday morning and came home with a bucket full.... made two jars of jam
> and an extra large pie.... more than enough for six people. We've had more
> rain today, so there should be more ready for picking tomorrow..... YUM!
>
> Carolyn
>

That sounds <wonderfully> delish....
"Only in Australia", you say?
Pity.

Agnes
shaking *slush*!!! out of her boots
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:25:30 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      N-M Train (was Re: GWW's Fountain-Pen Thread)
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> Does the catalog have an illustration?  If so, does it show the thing
> as a setup to sit on a coffee table or setup to fill a room?

It's impossible to tell what the train and track are sitting on in the
picture.  If the engine is 2 3/4" (as the description says it is), then
I would estimate the part of the track that shows in the picture to be
about two feet.  But there's no way to tell how much track isn't in the
picture.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Subject:      Re: Fischer details (forwarded)

Greetings, Rita,

Hmmmm.  By now I would think you had all Nico's moves figured out!

Marty
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Assisting the police in their inquiries

John,
I regret that I neglected to post the results of my Lexis search in the
Arizona statutes--nothing to require ID on demand.

Actually, there was a California case where the neighborhood didn't like
the fact that a black guy would jog through the neighborhood every
morning.  The police would stop him and he wouldn't have an ID.  There
was an ordinance requiring ID so they'd haul him in.  The Court
said that was a constitutional no-no.  Wish I could remember the
name of the case.

As for Terry stops--no PC required, just an articulable suspcion.
But that suspicion only allows the police to stop you, pat you down
for weapons, and talk to you.  As I may have mentioned earlier, it
is a very interesting (unanswered) question whether once you have
been stopped, refusing to talk or refusing to produce ID then ups
the ante to PC for a full blown, empty the pockets with the glacine
bags search.

-K

-Mka
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: Inexcusable favouritism by Carolyn
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>> Pray what kind
>>of manners are these? I too have feelings, you know.
>>
>>tushar
>
>--had you not trodden on the feelings of others, perhaps they would
>pay more attention to yours, O Prince of the Golden Spiked Tongue.
>
>--bayla

Well said...... but I think I might have chosen 'Forked' rather than 'Spiked'
..... but then again, perhaps the 'fork' should be inserted somewhere else.:-)

Carolyn (filling in time until uga is restored)
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From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: 2 toasts
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              17 Dec 92 05:51:40 +0000. <9212170726.AA06598@sics.se>

  Ruth splutters:

  ><*gag*>  Yeah, right.  Jealous of what?  Ruthie wanna 486 w/19.2, not some
  >Cupertino Crapmachine.:-)

  Now I see you're *really* jealous.

  >But why would I want to reproduce written Japanese?:-)

  Most people in the English-speaking world of course have no need to write in
either Arabic or Japanese or any other such peculiar language.
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From:         Brad Baxter <BBAXTER@uga.cc.uga.edu>
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              13 Dec 1992 19:23:38 GMT from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

>What is a chilled water system, btw?  Do IBM mainframes have cold water
>running through their innards?
>   Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

   My understanding is that, yes, the IBM mainframe does indeed have
   a liquid cooling system for the CPU's and other parts.  It apparently
   also has air cooling, but I am not very sure what cools what.
   This morning they were still working on the cooling system and had
   all the doors open with big fans running in the doorways.  It
   should keep working if no one trips over the power cords.

* Alt-Brad *
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From:         "Michael E. Macmillan" <MACMILLM%EWC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
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  >That it is.  Since Windows does not come with an editor, this was
  >the suggested way of using your own editor from the Windows file
  >manager.

Seems to me Windows comes with two editors: Notepad and Write.

Michael E. Macmillan (macmillm@ewc)

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*Not to be construed as an endorsement of Windows, Notepad, Write,
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Subject:      Re: Inexcusable favoritism by Carolyn

Greetings,

If *reading* words-l is the issue, I think MCIMAIL is a cheap option.  My
spouse's account costs $35/yr, no connect time charges, and so much (I
can't remember the number just now) per message.  I exercise an option in which
I pay a flat rate of $10 per month, which covers about 40 sent messages.
There is no charge for messages received.  Over Thanksgiving, I subbed to
words-l from her account; it seemed to work well enough.

Marty
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From: karsten@netcom.com (karsten)
Subject: Re: Indian press and the economic summit
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CROSEN%BGSUOPIE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu writes:
> Tom Brokaw (I seldom see him) interviewed the CEO of Apple tonight.  This
> interview was fraught with possiblities.  Brokaw asked Sculley a couple of
> questions about IBM's downsizing announcement.  I was hoping to hear Sculley
> start laughing like a maniac and start jumping up and down--no such luck.

Apple isn't in very good shape itself.  Only by comparison with IBM does
it look good.

> I was interested to hear Sculley talk about the need for the US to
> restructure.  This verb usually implies layoffs and divestiture of
> unproductive divisions.

Where I work the layoffs were called "reductions in force" (or "rifs"),
while the elimination of a paper-pushing layer on the org chart was
called "restructuring".

> Sounds like a good idea, eh?  Why not sell a few selected states (I suggest
> starting with Mississippi, Idaho, Rhode Island, and Oregon (:-)).

How about if we get rid of D.C. and keep everything else?

--karsten
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Posted on 17 Dec 1992 at 16:56:07 by torkel@SICS.SE
>  I haven't met any Macintosh user who can stand Windows.

Interesting.  I have touched a Macintosh for many years, but using
Windows felt *very* Macintoshy to me (especially using Word, I guess...).
In a way that OS/2 doesn't.

Karen
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> Dearly beloved people....if we begin a revival of Who Wuz The Spy In
> The Blue Moon Saloon, I am going to take out a membership in the NRA
> and buy myself an elephant gun.
>
> Ken <Dr. Love>

I want to hear it all again, because I missed it, being as I was in
San Antone meeting my *first* wordsler face to face....  a one-hour
and five minute tete-a-tete with -abh in a cozy little eatery across
from Brakenridge Park....  She couldn't believe her <eyes> and I
couldn't either.  It was love at first sight.  And it still is.
--ggs
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From:         Peter Montgomery <MONTGOMERY@CAMINS.CAMOSUN.BC.CA>
Subject:      Re: What kind of people are you, anyway?
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G> Fuck the pope!

Vulgarity I'm willing to live with. It simply reveals its user for
what he/she/it is like. I'm also guilty of using it myself from
time to time. Vulgarity, however, is NOT profanity.

G> [...] Is this guy serious or is he just trying to
G> start a flame war?

I'm quite serious, although the criticism is valid. I suppose this
is a bit like crying wolf. A flame war is NOT what I want. Just a
little civilised respect for some VERY basic things.

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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: NEAT!
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        It's *raining* in Starkville, and all the Golden Triangle.

Go easy on all the Golden Triangle references folks, or you'll all
find yourselves in the DEA's ever-burgeoning files! :-)
G
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From: kieran@world.std.com (Aaron L Dickey)
Subject: Re: Red Line Story
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:25:12 GMT

"Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"  <TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu> writes:

>What I said.  That's the porthole ... hardly a railfan's seat.  If I'm
>ever in Philadelphia, I'll organize a Words-L Railfan Seat sit-in on
>the high speed lines.

I didn't see the sentence about the porthole in your original post...must
have been line noise.  Ah well...real NYC subway fans never sit down
anyway; it takes all the danger out of it, unless you wear lots of flashy
gold jewelry and sit by the door.

BTW, the father of one of my NYU friends is the head of safety at
SEPTA...will there be insurance  available for this Seat Sit-in? :)

>: New York by choice...New York University by mistake.

>De gustibus ... who ever heard of a pizza slice the size of a ladies'
>fan, with crust so mushy you eat it by folding it over??

Que?

--Aaron

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:48:45 GMT

BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU writes:

>When UGA goes down tonight at 2100 hrs, I will have no access to Words-L.
>Will the entire list be down because the UGA node is out?

>brad

Plenty of access available on this end...

--Aaron
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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In a previous article, torkel@SICS.SE () says:

>  >Evangeline: Is this a reference to the Longfellow poem? What don't you u
>  >understand?
>  There is nothing odd about the sentence. I just wondered about the
>reference.

In that case it could be a reference to anything.:-)  Maybe just translate
it verbatim?

>  "water melon" was a typo on my part. The passage in the book speaks of
>"a Negro selling rattlesnake watermelons off the back of a truck. He had
>lopped open one melon on the tailgate as an advertisement, and the meat
>was dark red in the shade." They seem to be pretty wholesome stuff.
>
Oh ho!  It sounds like a colloquial name for a variety of watermelon, then.
The dark red and [maybe?] small size suggest something I'd call a Sugar Baby
Watermelon.  They're dark green on the outside, dark red on the inside, and
very sweet.  The seeds are small and dark, too.  The biggest one I've seen
was a bit larger than a basketball.  Some people manage to grow that variety
even this far north, somehow.  
-- 
		###	Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###
			- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
	      Where anything can happen, and it usually does
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From:         "Thomas J. Lee" <tjl9@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      What's the Sam Hill
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Hello,

        I always thought "What the Sam Hill" was the expurgated version
of "What the hell".  Nobody I know ever uses it.

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From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: fun word I'd somehow never seen before (fw
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>>> lifemanship: the art or practice of achieving superiority or an
>>> appearance of superiority over other people (as in conversation
>>> or business) by perplexing and demoralizing them -- compare
>>> _gamesmanship,_ _one-upmanship._
>>>
>>> lifeman: one who practices lifemanship.
>>>
>>> (Webster's Third New International Dictionary)

Very disappointing that they don't give the source: Stephen
Potter's books. The first is _Gamesmanship: How to Win Without
Actually Cheating_. I read it in the 50's...it was not new.
_Lifemanship_, which extends the principles beyond sports was
written later, but I don't have dates for either one.

Very probably Graham will have already posted this important
information...

>   never heard or seen "lifemanship," and it's not like it's a
>   technical term, know what I mean?
>
>--brad

Of *course* it's a technical term!

love, judith
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