From: boltz@chopin.psu.edu (Mark Boltz)
Subject: Re: Clinton blows it twice in 3 days!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 16:48:09 GMT



From: cvafy006@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu (Daniel Rouse, Jr.)
Subject: Clinton blows it twice in just 3 days!

Daniel Rouse, Jr. writes...

	Clinton is stupid!  In the three days in office he has allowed gays in
	the military and lifted the gag rule!

	First of all, gays do not belong in the military...we need toughies,
        not pseudo-men.  Most gays are either effeminite or else they are 
        like beasts (in other words, they either are too compassionate or 
        else they are all over everyone).  The military needs a balance of 
	the two--which only hetrosexuals have.  Don't pull the "substitute 
	black" reply because I'm referring to homosexuals of ALL RACES, 
	COLORS, AND CREEDS.  They don't belong in the military!  A hetero-
	sexual has a more "stable" brain which can both be tough and be 
	compassionate--a homosexual's brain has a disorder (as medical 
	evidence has tried to prove to rationalize this irregular behavior) 
	which prevents him/her from being both!

	And now for the gag rule!  Clinton should have left it.  My tax 
	dollars fund federal clinics--and I don't want my tax dollars paying 
	any practicioner who counsels someone on the option of abortion!  
	Abortion is not a natural method of birth--therefore, it should not 
	exist...except for an emergency rape case!

	{sig deleted}

An interesting arguement, but with a few problems.  First, President Clinton
has not removed the ban on gays...yet.  He is meeting today with his Joint
Chiefs of Staff to discuss the issue.  Although I admit he will most likely
inform them that the ban will be lifted.  You say the military needs a
balance (apparently of effeminite beasts), which only heterosexuals have.
Says who?  Where is this extremism of homosexuals scientifically proven?
And I don't intend to argue the "black arguement", but I would suggest
consideration of the following:  the most conservative estimates (including
Colin Powell's own) state that there are at least 10% homosexuals in the
military now (with a ban), who serve everyday -and even in Desert Storm some
200 soldiers- without any "undermining" of the military.  (The Desert Storm
arguement based on a 10% figure for those who served.)  You would also argue
that there is some 'disorder' in homosexuals (which you admit has NOT been
proven: "as medical evidence has tried to prove"), I question this, and ask
for specific support of your arguement.  Who has shown this?  Are they
qualified?  Show me evidence.

Abortion:  just as your taxpayer dollars go toward federally funded abortion
clinics, so do mine.  And I say a woman has the right to know all the options
available to her so she can make an INFORMED decision.  You, it seems from
your poor biased arguements, don't seem to know what informed decisions are.
Abortion is not a natural method of birth, you say.  I agree.  First, I
wouldn't suggest it was even a method of "birth", since nothing is being
'born'.  And it certainly isn't natural.  But I also recognize that rape
isn't a natural method of conception.  You apparently would agree to this
statement, given "except for an emergency rape..."   And that's the whole
problem I have with the gag rule.  It excludes even this option.  Which
sets up one of the biggest paradoxes of the Republican platform:  no
counseling for victims of rape, who cannot have abortions.  Their only
alternative is to have the child.  But the Republicans say "unwed mother"
is a no-no (ref. Dan Quayle's Family Values).  So I guess the only thing to
do is put all these kids up for adoption.  So who pays for all these kids
during the wait til some generous foster parents come along?  The Republicans
after leaving this as the only option, have consistently cut programs for
such cases.  And I don't see many republicans saying THEY'LL adopt all these
kids.  So before you go arguing these and other issues, think about what
you're saying and proposing.  Does it make sense?  Can you offer support?
The world is full of people who argue with opinionated, ill-informed venom.
Be a real hero and write something intelligent and thoughtful.  Show us a
majority of Americans who can think, not spew forth meaningless rhetoric.

boltz@vivaldi.psu.edu

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