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From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: an explanation from me
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:06:00 GMT

For the past few weeks I have attempted to post things to the Thai group
with the intention of stimulating discussion about controversial issues - 
I think in all cases but one those postings were initiated by an existing
posting.  I didn't introduce controversial subjects just for the hell of it.
In my opinion it has made the group far more interesting to read, and it
has accurately mirrored many aspects of Thai culture rather more truthfully
than the group used to do.

I have certainly learned a lot from the response to my postings - some things 
confirmed my earlier views but others surprised or impressed me.  However 
insulting they have been, the responses have always been interesting to me.

If flaming is for the most part simply a heated exchange of opposing 
viewpoints, then I think it is both healthy and useful, and I see nothing
at all wrong with it even when it is directed at me.  For a farang in
Thailand it is often extremely frustrating that the Thai people simply will
not be open about what they think, frequently saying only what they 
imagine the respondent wants them to say.  This makes many farang-Thai
exchanges very polite, but there are often terrible suspicions on both sides.
I have always maintained that these suspicions are frequently unjustified, and
that there exists the possibility of much greater understanding when it
is discovered that most differences arise from the method of expressing
opinions rather than anything more fundamental.  I believe that I have partly 
succeeded in producing Atypical farang-Thai exchanges which have been much
more useful and honest than the usual sort.

Finally, I don't want to give the impression that I have been experimenting
with this group, as I have not.  All the opinions and observations I have
given are truthful, and if they have sometimes been contradictory or aggressive
that is because the other's viewpoint has particularly upset me.

Laurence
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: teera@emunix.emich.edu (Teerawat Pawittranon)
Subject: Re: Godfree's World
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 1:06:00 EDT
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> >> Yes, I agree with you, man. Professor Schit's posting is getting kind
> >> of boring. So..., why don't you post it up? I would love to read your
> >> phd feces or fetus.
> >
> > Who is this anonymous and nasty-sounding person signing on
> > from Chicago? Do some systems allow anonymous postings? Why,
> > except for shame, would someone omit signing his or her
> > name?
> >
> > (BTW, Khun Schitt's postings weren't intersting to me, but I
> > see no need publicly to say so at the cost of hurting
> > people's feelings gratuitously! And obviously they will
> > interest *some* readers, however few.)
> >
> >                                 Seamus Cooney
> 
>  My first name is 'Anal' and my last name is 'Nymous'. And I am
>  nasty, I must admit. Especially to the loud mouths. Why don't
>  you check on other news group?  and see who's a bigger jerk.
					   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What good would it do when we find out who is the *smaller* jerk?  Please
forgive and forget, and let's go on with other discussion topics which could
benefit all of us like it has been since the inception of this group.

owen
From: htk@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Hugh Thaweesak Koanantakool)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: test
Date: 17 Oct 92 07:54:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: ipied.9210151605.AA01080
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au

please ignore.

(Just to keep you up to date, here is some update about email
nodes in Thailand -- new ones included:

Connected nodes:
  *@nwg.nectec.or.th		- users at NECTEC's ThaiSarn public node
  *@cmu.chiangmai.ac.th		- users at Chiangmai University
  *@cs.ait.ac.th		- users at AIT
  *@decth.co.th			- 2 users at Digital Equipment Thailand.
  *@chulkn.chula.ac.th		- users at Chulalongkorn University Network.
  *@hp2.hpth.co.th		- 1 user at Hewlett-Packard (Thailand).
  *@sunoct.co.th		- 1 user at Open Computing Technologies.
NEW NODES (in service since October 10, 1992) !! 
  *@ram1.ru.ac.th		- users at Ramkhamhaeng University, CS dept.
  *@ladwff.kmitl.ac.th		- users at KMITL (Lad Krabang).
  root@bug1.bbs.or.th		- Bill Thompson, BUG1 BBS sysop.
)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: atipatr@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Atipat Rojnuckarin)
Subject: Re: world
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:27:09 GMT

In article <7OCT199218315301@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>Does anyone else agree with me that Schitt's postings are getting a bit
>boring and seem unconnected with any threads on this group, other than
>Schitt.  If this goes on I shall have to post my entire PhD thesis.
>
>Laurence
>

From Mr Godfrey's organization name, superconductor thing sounds
interesting to me, but I think it is rather unrelevant to the newsgroup.
On the other hand, I believe that Khun Schitt's article belongs in this
newsgroup. I never read the whole articles or anything, but I hope that
some day, when I have to decide WHAT to do and WHERE to work, the
information provided there is going to be proved very useful for me.
Moreover, it also good to know WHAT is going on in Thailand, so that
I can decide what to study and so on, to adjust to labor market, either to be
useful to the country, or get as much money as possible :).

I hope others feel the same about Khun Schitt's articles.
I'd rather not wasting the bandwith with my stupid article no more.
Flame and stuffs are welcomed.

Best Wishes for all of you out there.

dak
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Just another thought
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: soc.culture.thai
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:50:12 GMT


A while ago, one of us mentioned about the danger of a very rapid
deforestation in our country.  Here is just an opinion from a person with
no experience in science and agriculture like me.
I've recently seen many documents pointing many advantages of marijuana. 
It's known to be an excellent source to make paper, cclothings,
furnitures, cooking oil, alternative fuels, madizines, etc.  Also
marijuana grows almost in any climate without much attention from farmers

Another thought I've had is that Thailand should skip all toxic and
waistful type of industry that most western countries have been through. 
Instead, we should use many alternative, new age approach, such as, a
hightech and environmentally sound food and health industry.  I think we
should take advantage of having one of the most fertile lands in the world
in a more constructive way.

Any commends and/or suggestions are definitely welcomed here.

Regards.

Thian
From: u8971@cray.com (Ronald Maier)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: world
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:12:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: walter.1992Oct8.101212.26385
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

In article <7OCT199218315301@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>Does anyone else agree with me that Schitt's postings are getting a bit
>boring and seem unconnected with any threads on this group, other than
>Schitt.  If this goes on I shall have to post my entire PhD thesis.
>
>Laurence
>

I completely DISAGREE with you Laurence. I find Schitt articles very
informative. I collect this kind of info and pass it on to other Thai's
in Calgary as they have no other source of information. It is also 
informative to me! I wish that there was more info  and news from 
and about Thailand as I am also interested about any info I can get.
This newsgroup has been, and I hope it continues to be, not just
for talking but for passing of information. If you don't like his articles
kill them, but please don't tell people that their postings are boring or
not connected to other threads. A lot of other newsgroups have threads and 
info that has nothing to do with their's and they don't complain about it.
If your PhD thesis has something to do about Thailand, then post it, isn't
that what this NEWSgroup is for, information! I have been reading this
group for several month's and never said anything, and as I keep telling
my wife, who happen's to be THAI, if you don't say anything nothing gets
done or changed. Keep up the info Schitt other Thai's appreciate it.

Thanks, later....

Ron Maier

P.S. This is my opinion and not that of anyone else or any company.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 9 Oct 1992 21:30:07 CDT
From: <U45923@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: White trash

I agree with the guy (U21729) who agrees with the guy (u27876) who agrees with
 the guy (U25256) who posted the original White trash.  This Mr. Godfrey.....
I'm surprised that you have time to write derogatory remarks on this newsgroup
while doing your important physics research.  You must have been exposed to
radiation and nuclear waste and affected your twisted mentality.  You're very
unpopular with this newsgroup, and I suggest that you stop blabbering your
 lips.  How would you like it if one of us writes derogatory remarks in a
British newsgroup?  You people aren't perfect either.  I can site many faults i
n your culture as well, but I don't want to stoop to your level.
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 09:33:00 MDT
From: cheopr@bones.et.byu.edu (Chem. E. Operator)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Subject: Re: Mailing List


>
>Greetings to all:
>
>Lately I've seen many articles mentioning about a sort of mailing list. 
>I've been in this newsgroup for quite a while but don't know what we're
>talking about here.



I don't either.



>  If this mailing list is for anybody, I'd like to be
>part of it too.
>
>Regards.
>
>Thian

	I would like to also.


Darrell Huntsman
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: VOTE for soc.culture.thai.godfrey
From: thanon@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Thanachart Numnonda)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:58:20 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

Hi Everyone:

 During the past month, I posted several articles to this newsgroup.
 Most of the posting are related to the stuff written by Khun Godfrey.
 As far as this newsgroup is concerned, I think we should discuss somethings
 more on Thai culture, Thai politics or R&D. 

 I thought that the dispute between Khun Godfrey and other neters is over.
 This morning, I was very glad to see one neter posted a appologize letter.
 But it is not over yet, Khun Godfrey again posted another issue regarding
 to his bad impression in Chieng Mai. I didn't read most of it, but I guess
 that it will be another controversial issue.

 This should be my last posting regarding to Khun Godfrey's issue.
 I think it's time for us to vote for a newgroup called
      soc.culture.thai.godfrey.
 , and let's discuss about his issues on that newsgroup.
 Is it possible to establish a new newsgroup for him? 


 For others please avoid posting anything to oppose Khun Godfrey to this 
 newsgroup, and please post only stuff related to soc.culture.thai. 

 Thanks in advance

 Thanachart Numnonda
 
 PS: For Khun Godfrey, I still welcome your posting as long as
 it doesn't bring to another controversy. Why don't you post somethings
 on Thai culture or Sports?
From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Just another thought
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:43:38 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.thai
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Oct16.052710.9439@usl.edu> pxu8785@usl.edu (Uthayopas Putchong) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.155012.20050@news2.cis.umn.edu> bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu () writes:
>>
>>A while ago, one of us mentioned about the danger of a very rapid
>>deforestation in our country.  Here is just an opinion from a person with
>>no experience in science and agriculture like me.
>>I've recently seen many documents pointing many advantages of marijuana. 
>>It's known to be an excellent source to make paper, cclothings,
>>furnitures, cooking oil, alternative fuels, madizines, etc.  Also
>>marijuana grows almost in any climate without much attention from farmers
>>
>The bad thing is that people don't want to use it to produce paper,
>clothing, cooking oil. They use it another dangerous way. No way to
>control it
>
>>Another thought I've had is that Thailand should skip all toxic and
>>waistful type of industry that most western countries have been through. 
>>Instead, we should use many alternative, new age approach, such as, a
>>hightech and environmentally sound food and health industry.  I think we
>>should take advantage of having one of the most fertile lands in the world
>>in a more constructive way.
>
>This idea is good. But the problem is that to construct the non- toxic
>factory is very expensive. I don't think that Thailand can afford it.
>But environmenttal concern should me more important in that society 
>than today. The thing I like about US is their awareness about environ-
>mental problem. They preserve the big tree while the build the building.
>In thailand we start a building site by cutting all of the trees.
>Who can explain the reason they do this to me ?
>
>Putchong Uthayopas


If you compare the use of marijuana to the use of ciggarett (with lots of
toxic chemicals) and alchohol, marijuana is no worse than those items.  On
the other hand, it has more good than harm.  I haven't heard of any major
car accident or serious crimes caused by marijuana but many people either
kill or were killed while being drunk.
There are many opinions in the U.S. as far as the environment is
concerned.  You've pointed out a good example.  Here is a bad one.  If you
go to their super markets, you will know how waistful some of them are. 
Also they outlaw their dangerous pestisides here but ship them over sea to
kill people like us and our brothers and sisters.  Environmentally sound
investment may be expensive in a short run, but it will create enormous
benefits in a long run, I believe.
Regards.

Thian
From: amara@wam.umd.edu (Amara Tremongkol Naksathit)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Death at Haew Narok
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:23:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: wam.1992Oct16.222321.12938
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park


	" In the heat of political turmoils and fierce election campaigns
in August, a non-political news filled the front pages and put a whole 
country into silence. Eight baby wild elephants were drown at Haew Narok,
Khao Yai National Park.

	Elephant is an animal so dear to Thais. White elephants are sacred.
It even appeared on the ancient national flag. Thai rode an elephant to wars,
to the monkhood, and places. Within the last fifty years, the numbers of wild 
elephants are declining to only 2,000.

	Eight baby elephants were drown at Haew Narok (the cliff of hell) in
the park that is considered the largest home of elephants when they were 
trying to cross the fierce stream at the narrow gorge. From 1987, dead
fourteen elephants at the cliff have been reported.

	There are many theories explaining the tragic incident.

	Some plainly says that it was the process of natural selection
which only the stronger should survive. But some viewed this as an excuse
from the official since the number of elephants today is so small we cannot 
afford any lost. 

	The park officials are fencing up the trail to block elephants.

	But some says the real reasons are human and roads. The new 40
kilometer Khao Yai-Prachin Buri road was cut right into the home of 
elephants. The road has blocked their usual trails and forced them to
cross the gorge at Haew Narok which is only a kilometer from the road.

	There are also reports of poarching elephants for ivories. These
dangers are what, the environmentalists said, push elephant into the cliff
and drown them. The investigations are now being done since knowledge about
reveal to us what is actually killing the elephants of Khao Yai. "

				From Feature Magazine
				September 1992
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: Re: world
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 06:52:42 GMT

godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:

>Does anyone else agree with me that Schitt's postings are getting a bit
>boring and seem unconnected with any threads on this group, other than
>Schitt.  If this goes on I shall have to post my entire PhD thesis.

>Laurence

I don't agree with you Khun Laurence. To me, Khun Schitt has done a good
job in providing information about THAILAND which is relevant to the 
purpose of this newsgroup. You may skip some or all of them if you want.

Don't equate the importance of your thesis with the information Khun Schitt
is informing. Your thesis may be interesting to members of a small circle 
of scientists who share expertise with you but Khun Schitt's information 
is useful to wider audiences particularly those who want to see Thailand 
move ahead in science & technology. I thought you were one of them.

Come on, Khun Laurence, be a bit grown up. Don't be too cynical. The s.c.t
is read by divert groups of people. You also have to learn to be open-minded
a bit. Perhaps open-mindedness begins at opening yourself to the information
first. How could you who got a Ph.D in science not to be interested in what
Khun Schitt is posting? 

For you, Khun Schitt, please don't be discouraged. Go on doing you job. 
I believe many of us feel like what I do that you have set a good model for
those who have determination to achieve something. You also set a good
example of a serious scientist who makes decision basing on information.
We have learned a lot about where Thailand was, is, and will be in the
world of science & technology. I myself don't necessarily understand everything
you inform but learning about it not only doesn't hurt but also upgrade
my thinking. The progress of science and technology in Thailand (or any where
in the world) needs participation from the people in general. Your effort
has yielded such result. So please hang on. 

Samart Srijumnong
Champaign, Illinois
October 7, 1992


the net.
From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Mcinnes B T (Dr))
Subject: Re: an explanation from me
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:16:53 GMT

godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
: For the past few weeks I have attempted to post things to the Thai group
: with the intention of stimulating discussion about controversial issues - 
: I think in all cases but one those postings were initiated by an existing
: posting.  I didn't introduce controversial subjects just for the hell of it.
: In my opinion it has made the group far more interesting to read, and it
: has accurately mirrored many aspects of Thai culture rather more truthfully
: than the group used to do.
: 
: I have certainly learned a lot from the response to my postings - some things 
: confirmed my earlier views but others surprised or impressed me.  However 
: insulting they have been, the responses have always been interesting to me.
: 
: If flaming is for the most part simply a heated exchange of opposing 
: viewpoints, then I think it is both healthy and useful, and I see nothing
: at all wrong with it even when it is directed at me.  For a farang in
: Thailand it is often extremely frustrating that the Thai people simply will
: not be open about what they think, frequently saying only what they 
: imagine the respondent wants them to say.  This makes many farang-Thai
: exchanges very polite, but there are often terrible suspicions on both sides.
: I have always maintained that these suspicions are frequently unjustified, and
: that there exists the possibility of much greater understanding when it
: is discovered that most differences arise from the method of expressing
: opinions rather than anything more fundamental.  I believe that I have partly 
: succeeded in producing Atypical farang-Thai exchanges which have been much
: more useful and honest than the usual sort.
       ^^^^^^

: 
: Finally, I don't want to give the impression that I have been experimenting
: with this group, as I have not.  All the opinions and observations I have
: given are truthful, and if they have sometimes been contradictory or aggressive
: that is because the other's viewpoint has particularly upset me.
: 
: Laurence

Are you announcing an intention to go away and never return? Good.
From: emaruchi@meena.cc.uregina.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Remember 14 Oct 2516. From devil to representative
Date: 12 Oct 92 00:04:17 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada

Dear friends:
        I hope all of us still remember 14 Oct 2516 (I don't use A.D. 1973).
That time three devils (we called them Toratat, remember?) had fled out of the
country to Boston.  But before that, again, many people had to sacrified their
lives.
        What happen now, 19 years later, nothing happen of course.  Thais never
learn any thing.  These devils had returned and live peacefully in Thailand.
One had been elected to be a representative.  Another had become a columnist
for Matichon Magazine describing his nonsense young live (for example, fled awayfrom the college, event in prison, etc).
        Then, the history repeats itself, this time even worse.  More people hadbeen killed, more disappeared.  Most of all, the killer still didn't have to
fled out of the country.  They can still receive their pensions, and again live
peacefully in the country while the deaths still died peacefully in their gravesand the missing still miss peacefully from the world.
                                Nothing happen
                                Bunlur Emaruchi
From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: world
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:10:00 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota


Let me try to guess Khun Laurences' mind here.  I think he has found Khun
Skit's articles very interesting but couldn't find any response or
reaction from other readers.  I believe he has an interesting way of
provoking discussions.  I've seen Khun Laurence move from one issue to
another for quite a while.

Maybe his disturbing statement will help us pay more attention to Khun
Skit's articles.  I think Khun Skit has spent much time and energy
compiling such valuable informations for us.
Thian