HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sjsobol@tiny.com (Steven J. Sobol)
Reply-To: sjsobol@tiny.com (Steven J. Sobol)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Bob's idea about a standard news package
Organization: The Tiny Software Company, Main Office, Cleveland, Ohio
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 23:18:26 

udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:

>Wnews is a rewrite of the B-News system, which was originally done
>for Minix and ported later to Coherent. The major difference is that
>you can't feed other systems with Wnews. 

Sure you can.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: clau@acs.ucalgary.ca (Christopher Lau)
Subject: Re: kudos to the support and development teams at MWC!!
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 20:44:56 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada

clau@acs.ucalgary.ca (Christopher Lau) writes:
> ( congrats to mwc guys and stuff about my custom smail and wmail deleted)
> 
> My custom news software needed an almost complete rewrite...  Does anyone know
> why Coh 4.0.1 I/O functions grok on things like:
> 
> 		< assume things are declared and everything works >
> 		....
>  		fp1=stdin;
> 		fp2=popen("/usr/bin/zcat", "w");
> 
> 		fgets(buff, BUFSIZ, fp1);
> 		fputs(buff, fp2);
> 
> 		while(c=fgetc(fp1) != EOF) {
> 				fputc(c,fp2);
> 		}
> 
> 		....
> 
> Regardless of the input, the output to zcat is a bunch of ctrl-A's..  
> Strange...  I didn't look too much further into this, but I rewrote
> most of that stuff with the getchar() and putc() macros..  then it worked..
> Have absolutely no idea why..  maybe someone out there can shed some light
> on it..
> 

Stupid mistake..  Some nice person (I've forgotten who, feel free to speak up
for youself and claim the credit)  pointed out to me that I'd forgotten a
set of brackets around the c=getc(fp)..  


> Anyways, with the new Coh 4.0.1 buffer caches, my software will process a
> 50K compressed (~100K uncompressed) news batch in just under 30 seconds...
> Amazing!!  Consider that under Coh 3.2.X, this would have taken around 1.5
> to 2 minutes!!!

This has actually now improved to under 10 seconds..  It seems that I had
a few sleep() calls in my old routines..  I now use the lockit() routines in
libmisc (BTW- unlockit() is misspelled in libmisc- it's called nlockit()-
without the 'u') to ensure mutual exclusivity instead of waiting (actually,
Coh 3.2.X was slow enough that waiting DID ensure mutual exclusivity, but
Coh 4.0.1 is so fast, that if I remove the sleep(), I run into trouble)

Geez those buffer caches are amazing!

> 
> My last piece of software installed today was micro-gnu emacs (mg)...  It
> compiled the first time with no errors with the system V settings..  The
> dired routines didn't work at first (Coherents 'ls -al' output is different
> than sysv and bsd)..  a little minor hacking got it all working...  The
> stripped binary is 68K long..  only about 10K larger than the microemacs
> binary that came with Coh 4.0.1!!
> 


If anyone out there in netland would like any of my stuff, let me know
and I'll mail it to you or put it up on raven.


> c4
> 
> P.S.-  Just remembered- support guys- there's a file "reg.h" missing from the
> /usr/include/sys directory- the file sys/timeout.h tries to include it..
> I don't think this warrants a disk mailing, so could you just email me the
> file??  Thanks

Still looking for this file guys!



Thanks
c4


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From: Dietmar_Hendricks@kr.maus.de (Dietmar Hendricks)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Problem in Installing 4.01
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 22:48:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.11

Sorry if this question isn't new for you, but I didn't know of the existence of
this group until a few days ago.

I've got a problem in installing Coherent 4.01 on my machine.

First of all it gave me the message:
"prepare_gift(): WARNING: not enough room for all arguments
only 496 bytes submitted"

Then I was told (by the German Support e-media) to type 2x info and try again.
This leads to the result, that my pc doesn't show this 'gift'-message, but
hangs up while displaying "Please wait...".

The only thing it shows is, depending on wether my A-Drive is a 3.5" or
a 5.25-drive

an "z", "Z", "Y", "I" in the upper right corner
or
an "Z" followed by an "y" and an "a"

in the same corner. In any case the floppylight stays in on-condition.

These messages are not documented, so I (and even the german support)
don't know what to do now to install coherent 4.01 succesfully.

My machine:
486er Symphony-Boardwith AMI-Bios (for Symlabs SL82C460) as of 15/03/91,
8MB of Ram,
VGA-card with Tseng ET4000 (ColorImage 5), Adaptec 1542B (AT SCSI Bios 3.1)
and Maxtor LXT213 SCSI.

If you have any suggestions or can help me otherwise I'd be glad, if you'd
write me mail.

hopefully

Dietmar
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu ()
Subject: bounced
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:14:10 GMT


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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:11:38 -0500
From: bill
Message-Id: <9208280011.AA06656@chaos.cs.umn.edu>
To: COHERENT@indycms.bitnet
Subject: Re: Best news systems & readers enquiry
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent


ok. i'm game for working on newsreaders. i'm still at 3.x for now. won't
have 4.x till i decide whether to upgrade or get a new lic.

tnx
bill pociengel
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From: eckartwe@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Martin Eckart-Weissbaecker)
Subject: I've done it (Coh 4.0.1)
Keywords: Coherent 4.0
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 08:16:03 GMT

Hi Coherent freaks,

here is another happy user of Coh 4.0.1!

I've installed Coh on:

AMD 386 33 MHz
C&T Peak DM Chipset
AMI 02/02/91 BIOS KEYBOARD Rev KF
4 1MB SIMMS to 9 Chips 70ns running 4 Waitstates
4 1MB SIMMS to 3 Chips 70ns running 3 Waits
386 KB Shadow
2 ser. ports
1 par. port
not yet useable under Coherent:
Mediavision ProAudiospectrum
Phillips 205 CD-ROM

Have a great day,

Martin

(A happy DOS, WIN, OS/2 2.0, UNIX, Coherent 4.0 ... User)

All the trouble began with CP/M (I'm also a happy
OSBORNE 1 user!!)

Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: fredex@wizvax.methuen.ma.us (Fred Smith)
Subject: Re: coh 4.0.1 / keyboards
Organization: Gilgut Enterprises, Inc.
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 16:48:27 GMT

In article <9208281259.AA06040@tekeur.TNE> "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet> writes:
>I am having the smae problem as reported earlier after installing (updating)
>to Coherent 4.0 with my keyboard.
>
>We all face the same problem, do we all have the same keyboard ??
>
>Who has a 'clone' keyboard that works well ?
>
>regards, antoon milatz, sun4nl!tekeur!antoonm

I'm using a cheap clone keyboard that came with my cheap clone computer, and
it works fine with Coherent 4.0.1. It's a Honeywell keyboard, but I can't
find the model number on the bottom of it just now, so I can't tell you
which one.

You'd  think Honeywell would know how to build good keyboards, but I 
really don't like this one (other than for the simple fact that it works!)
because the feel is truly awful. I'm a touch typist and I thrive on a good
crisp keyboard, either with or without clicky sound/feel, not mushy like
this one.

BUT  IT  WORKS!!


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From: bob@dalek.mwc.com (Bob Hemedinger)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: various ?
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:15:23 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

> I've also send this man files to MWC, maybe they have added them to
> the WNEWS distribution on MWCBBS. However, I haven't recompile the
> package under 4.0 yet, I'm still running the 286 binaries. Maybe
> there are problems if you try to install it under 4.0.

With very little work, the wnews package, tass and vn all compile
and run under 4.0.

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From: bill@twinbrk.uucp (William Shotts)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Hardware Incompatibility List
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:06:22 GMT
Reply-To: bill%twinbrk%media@uunet.uu.net (William Shotts)
Organization: Twinbrook Coherent System - Rockville, Maryland


Ok, enough is enough.  Let's get specific with what hardware works or does
not work with Coherent.

As a public service, I volunteer to create a list of compatible and
and incompatible hardware.

Here are the rules:

1. Send me (via email) specific information on what experience you have
with your hardware.  Only supply information from your first-hand
experience.  No hearsay will be accepted.

2. You *must* include the following information:

	* type of device (motherboard, keyboard, disk drive, etc.)
	* brand name
	* model number (this is a must!)
	* version of Coherent it was tested with (3.2.x or 4.0.x).

3. State clearly if the device works or does not work.  No "works except
for ...".  For example, if a keyboard does not map keys properly, then
it does not work.

4. Please send your reports to me at the following address:

	bill%twinbrk%media@uunet.uu.net

After a couple of weeks, I will post a summary to comp.os.coherent.

Thank you and good hunting!
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From: mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: elm has died...why?
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:53:30 GMT
Organization: SPC Community Access System

I'm having an interesting problem.  I was using elm with absolutely
no trouble (the version posted at Raven).  Today, I tried to run elm
and my screen goes blank.  The only way to escape is the 3 finger
salute.

I unzipped the elm.zip file again (figured I had somehow corrupted
the binary) and re-installed elm.  The problem is still here.  The
screen goes completely black.  The keyboard stays alive (since the
cntrl-alt-del seems to work), but I can't seem to get out.

Any ideas?

Cheers,

Chris
From: ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Cnews problems (help needed)
Date: 26 Aug 92 09:56
Organization: Private Coherent 4.0.1 site Augsburg/Bavaria/Germany

mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
> 
> ld: Library must be created with ar -s option
> make: exited with status 256

Just do as you are told:  Change in all makefiles that create code for
libcnews.a the line with "ar ruv ..." to "ar ruvs...".

BTW, the Cnews version that is available at ECSBBS has the same problem.
Seems that the ar behaviour has changed from Coh 3.2 to 4.0.

--ralf
From: deutschm@lucky.lion.de (Carsten Deutschmann)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: File Transfer from AIX or SunOS to COHERENT
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:13:39 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

> 	I have access to an AIX and SunOS and I've ftp'd
> some files from raven.
>
> 	Now I have to transfer them onto a floppy so I can
> move the files to my COHERENT 3.1 (soon to be 4.0.1) system at home.
>
> 	Can anyone who has had experience doing this
> AIX or SunOS to COHERENT transfer explain to me if and how
> it can be done?

From SunOs, this should not be any problem...
Just fdformat the floppy and then use tar to write to it...

On Your Coh3.1 use ustar to get it back from the disk!

Hope that helps!

Ciao cad...
From: ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Taylor UUCP - please help
Date: 29 Aug 92 15:57
Organization: Private Coherent 4.0.1 site Augsburg/Bavaria/Germany

  Hi,

if someone has a working Taylor UUCP, could s/he send me his conf.h and
policy.h (and possible changes in the *.c's?)?

Many thanks in advance! --ralf

PS: I'm encountering both 5sec pauses between packet writes already in the
handshake as well as many RJs of my packets from the remote system...
From: root@rwsys.UUCP (Superuser)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: pty support in Coherent?
Organization: "rwsys" Data Communications, Surrey, BC, Canada
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 11:02:56 +0100

patbob@analog1com (Patrick White - SST) writes:
> 
> 	I'm attempting to do a port of the uw server to Coherent 3.2.1A (?)
> and I've noticed that there doesn't seem to be anything along the lines of pty
> support in that version of Coherent.
> 
> 	1) is there pty support in 4.0?
> 	2) any ideas on how to spoof pty support (short of writing my own pty
> 	   driver) -- I think all I really need is to spoof isatty() into
> 	   returning true, but it could be that I need the ioctl() calls too.
> 
> 	For those that are not familiar with uw, it is a window protocol
> developed by John Bruner that multiplexes up to 7 virtual terminal sessions
> down a serial line.  Need something intelligent like a Mac, Amiga,
> MS-Windows machine (and probably others) to run the client though.
> 	Unfortunately, as written, it uses BSD Internet sockets and pty's to
> do the virtual sessions (so don't hold your breath, a port might not be
> possible to Coherent till 4.1).
> 
> 
> -- 
> Pat White (patbob@techbook.com | patbob@mentorg.com)
> 
There is pty support in 4.0. I've tried it out and it seems to work just
fine. I think a sockets port may come up in the near future, but 4.0 doesn't
come with sockets.
Yours Truly,
Randy Wright
From: karl@dadoka.h.ni.schule.de (Karl Sarnow)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Best news systems & readers enquiry
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 13:35:32 EDT
Organization: Karls Emergency Mailbox

mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:

> kilroy@acme.gen.nz wrote:
>  
> >As far as what software, I'd recommend the current Coherent-ported release o
> >C News, in terms of robustness and reliability I've found it to be excellent
> >We could possibily consider the recent C News performance release if
> >someone's ported it to 3.2. Most of it works fine, we'd just need to fine
> >tune some of the scripts to fix some nagging incompatibilities (I won't call
> >them bugs, Geoff Collyer might be reading this and they're not C News'
> >fault). I've been running C News happily for some months now, and I'll help
> >out on any work needed to get scripts working reliably.
>  
> This is completely contradictory to my experience with the Coherent
> "port" of cnews.  I followed the directions to the letter and it simply
> does not work.  I challenge anyone to try to run that cnews port
> according to the installation instructions.  Perhaps it is workable
> if you are an experienced programmer and you do a bit of hacking at
> installation time, but unfortunately I am not proficient enough to
> do that.

Exactly my experience!!!

>  
> If there is something I am missing, and the cnews port can indeed
> be installed with few hassles, I'd love to hear from you.
>  
> Re: cnews performance release
>  
> Wouldn't it make more sense to port this to Coh 4.0 than try to
> hack the old cnews to work?
>  

Sounds familiar to me. The experts might continue hacking different
Newssystems/Newsreaders. But we should have one News/REader-system as
easy to install as uucp-mail. And by god: That is hard enough for newcomers!

Karl

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: k3eq@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Trent D'Arby)
Subject: Re: Help: Track Flagged Bad errors
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:22:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.200208.1959@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> alf@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>Lo' all,
>been bothering me for sometime now, and would really like to have it cleared
>up.  After getting my 3.2.1 coherent system up and running fine,  I get the
>following error on the console.
>
>at0c: bno=xxxx head=y cyl=zzz <Track Flagged Bad>
>
>Where the x,y, and z values change with each given episode.
>
>It seems this only happens when there is a big IO load on the system, ie.


HELP ME TOO!!!!!!!


I have received the same error while copying a 500k file from the /tmp
directory to a user directory.

I checked the filesystem with badscan, check, ncheck etc.,
and also did a shutdown and then fsck all to no avail...

NONE OF THEM REPORTED ANYTHING WRONG (ie bad tracks etc) WITH FILESYSTEM.

And after rebooting it also disappeared... until I reproduced it again,
and again, and again....

To check for write errors that may occur as a result of these "bad" tracks
I even duplicated (with cp - NOT ln) a few more file in the suspect
filesystem until it was full to see if it would reappear but it checked
out ok - (i.e. the suspect filesystem filled to capacity with no errors).


HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What is going on? Is my system about to die??

What am I doing wrong! 

ANY help is appreciated!!

Thanx.

System:	Coherent 3.2.0 (soon to be 4.x) 
	Gateway 2000 386/DX 33 
	4 MB RAM
	200 Meg Maxtor HD 
	-(two 10 Meg Partitions for Coherent's root and users respectively)
	
[So what!! I'm still a neophyte!!!]
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From: kenji@rd.macrofield.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: 4.0.1: getwd() and getcwd()
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:10:28 GMT
Reply-To: kenji@rd.macrofield.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake)
Distribution: comp
Organization: Revolution & Deconstruction Center, Macrofield Corporation
Posting-Front-End: Terakoya-u kaku 2.0612 DEBUG 14-AUG-1992

It took an hour to discover that getwd() disappeared from Coherent 4.0.1's
libc.a; I had to use getcwd(). *sigh* This should have been documented in
Coherent manual!

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From: karl@dadoka.h.ni.schule.de (Karl Sarnow)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: File transfer in Coh 4.0 UUCP
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 13:46:48 EDT
Organization: Karls Emergency Mailbox

I thought, that allowing a file transfer in /usr/lib/uucp/Permissions would
only affect a UUCP-file transfer and not mail. This is not true. Setting
the permissions for file transfer to no resulted in rejecting all mail
transfer to the correspnding station. Am I wrong to think that setting 
the permissions to file transfers should only affect uucp-transfer and not
mail?

Karl

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: pred@iitmax.iit.edu (Predrag S. Bundalo)
Subject: Poor performance.
Organization: IIT--Institute of Increasing Tuition.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 06:26:32 GMT

I recently upgraded from a 386DX-20 to a 486DX-33.  I'm able to run
COHERENT 4.0.1 fine with both internal and external cache's enabled as well
as ROM video shadowing.

When I run a dhrystone program on the DOS side, I get 25000 dhrystones/s
on average.  When I run the same program on the COHERENT side, I get a
horrible 2200 dhrystones/s--consistantly.

I'm perplexed.  Why would the performance be so poor on the COHERENT side?
Also, it appears the problem is specific to my system/motherboard since I'm
somewhat sure I had at least 2000 dhrystones/sec when I used my old 386-20
motherboard.

Does COHERENT do some disabling I'm not aware of?

Curiously,

Pred Bundalo

P.S. My motherboard is by a company called "Exclusive! Mainboard Products".
     It has the infamous OPTI chipset.
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From: mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Error: cannot open sys/fcntl.h ???
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:24:02 GMT
Organization: SPC Community Access System

Wnews is getting closer to working, however, I just started to
get this error:

cannot open sys/fcntl.h

This happens when inews.c is being compiled.  Why does this happen?
I thought sys/fcntl.h is a standard header file?

Cheers,

Chris
"The accidental C programmer" :)
From: bob@dalek.mwc.com (Bob Hemedinger)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Best news systems & readers enquiry
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:16:58 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

> > Such an undertaking should actually be no more than building binaries,
> > testing them and placing them in an installable fashion onto floppy
> > disks, which shouldn't be more than a couple days of work.
>
> Except that a lot of the system info tends to be compiled in rather than read
> from files at run time (eg uucp and domain names). I haven't looked at the
> source in enough detail with either C News or rn to determine how much of a
> problem this will be.

Wnews does not appear to rely on having this kind of system information
compiled in, which is a big plus for making something distributable. It
was fairly easy to compile and install, the only real problem I had
was configuring mwc to send me some news to test with.
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