From: jodar@aludra.usc.edu (Nicholas Jodar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Labels....
Date: 23 Dec 1992 21:51:53 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
Summary: The Muslims admit their fault....
Keywords: Muslims, Chetniks, et al


Assalaamu Alaikum...

Auzu Billahi Min Ash-Shaitan Nirajeem.  Bismillah...


I previously wrote:
]>That was how this whole mess started.  Allah (SWT) basically says:
]
]>1)	Those who turn their backs on their Islam will be 
]>	given a warning, (eg. flood in Pakistan, earthquake
]>	in Egypt, etc.), then oppressed, then persecuted, 
]>	and finally killed;
]
]>2)	The day that Muslims start killing Muslims, (eg. the
]>	Gulf War), the Muslims will be overrun by their enemies
]>	and slaughtered by the thousands;
]
]>3)	Allah (SWT) will raise up new Muslims to replace those
]>	who went astray--Muslims who fear only Allah, who are
]>	Humble with the Believers (ie. those who do good), and
]>	Harsh with the Unbelievers (ie. those who do bad).
]
]>By now, however, those Muslims who have abandoned Islam are:
]>(a) dead; (b) fled the country and dying; or (c) returned to
]>Islam and taking up arms against the oppressors.

Ana responded:
>ANA: for the argument's sake only - does this mean that the war
>     in Bosnia is really a result of: 
> (1) Muslims turning back to their Islam.

That's a simplistic way of putting it, but yes, that's the case.

An analogy (for those that don't see the connection--others can
skip it) is the man with the pet anaconda (a huge snake).  It
starts off quite innocently, with the pet store giving him an 
instruction manual which describes the care and caution 
necessary in dealing with the animal.

Later, he gives the snake and manual to a friend, saying 'Take 
care of it and be careful.'  The friend, however, doesn't bother
to read the manual.  Still later, this friend gives the snake and
manual to some guy, telling him to 'take care.'  By this time, 
the snake is 15 feet long, but this new owner doesn't understand 
the seriousness of it (he doesn't bother to read and understand 
the manual).  This guy figures 'Hey, it's just a snake, and the
other owners had no problem with it.'

The next day the newspapers carry headlines of his being eaten.

This is an interesting phenomenon.  Something terrible happens 
(eg. WWI) and people warn their children strongly, but since 
the kids haven't experienced it firsthand, they don't take it 
to heart.  After a few generations, the same mistake is made 
all over again (eg. WWII).  History is episodic because of
people's blind ignorance.  The Believers should know better, even
though the Unbelievers never learn.

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Auzu Billahi Min Ash-Shaitan Nirajeem.  Bismillahi Ar-Rahman, Ar-Rahim...

'How many populations have We Destroyed, which were given to
wrongdoing?  They tumbled down on their roofs.  And how many
wells are lying idle and neglected, and castles lofty and
well-built?

'Do they not travel through the land, so that their hearts (and
minds) may thus learn wisdom and their ears may thus learn to
hear?  Truly it is not their eyes that are blind, but their
hearts which are in their breasts.'
[22:45-46]

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Continuing with Ana's question... 'does this mean that the war
in Bosnia is really a result of': 
> (2) The Gulf War

No.  The Gulf War, like Bosnia, is simply an example of the 
owner being eaten by the snake.

> (3) Allah exterminating non-believers in order to replace them with
>     the true believers.

No.  You're confusing two different things, here:  the 
suffering promised to those who turn their backs on their 
Islam; and the fact that Allah (SWT) will 'raise up' some 'true
believers' (as you call them) as 'He' deems necessary.

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[regarding those who seek to assimilate with the Unbelievers:]

Auzu Billahi Min Ash-Shaitan Nirajeem.  Bismillahi Ar-Rahman, Ar-Rahim...

'O you who believe!  If any from among you turn back from their
Faith, soon will Allah produce a people whom He will love as they
will love Him; Lowly with the Believers, Mighty against the
Rejectors, striving in the Way of Allah, and never afraid of the
reproaches of such as find fault.  That is the Grace of Allah,
which He will bestow on whom He pleaseth.  And Allah
encompassaeth all, and He knoweth all things.'
[5:54]

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>Do not misunderstand me, but this kind of reasons obscure what is really
>happening and lead into thinking that for all what is happening the
>true guilty party are in fact Muslims who are not Mulsim enough.

While it is true that the current situation would probably never
have come about if the Bosnian Muslims had followed Islam, you
should understand that there is more than one 'guilty party,'
here.  Anybody who isn't actively working for Truth and Justice
is automatically guilty.  (And that includes the so-called 
'Muslim leaders'...!)

I said:
>>But one thing is certain:  EVERYbody is going to be held
>>accountable for their actions (ALL of them) on the Day of
>>Judgement, and NOT THE SLIGHTEST THING is going to be overlooked
>>by the Creator.
>
>>(I will be held accountable for every word in this article, as
>>well as the effect it may have on every person that reads it....)

Ana replied:
>This may be comforting to you 

'Comforting'...?  You think that knowing you're going to be held
accountable for EVERY single, minute thing you did and knew you 
shouldn't have done is a 'comforting' thought???

_I_ don't find it 'comforting.'  But at least I know that Absolute
Justice will prevail, which is somewhat satisfying....

>but it won't help anyone save their life,
>change the situation and produce something better than this war. 

It's not supposed to.  It's our individual responsibility is to 
actively strive to make things better.  Those of us who
understand that are doing so.

Ana also added:
>Please, do not be offended, I have just tried to point out some
>problems with this kind of reasoning, and not to question you as a person
>or your good will

It would seem that you didn't understand what I said/wrote.  I
apologize for being cryptic.  Hopefully, inshallah, this article
is more clear.  

As for offending me, only injustice offends me.

>  With hopes for peace

Indeed...!

-AQ

[I beg Allah's forgiveness for my weakness and insufficiency in ]
['His' service, and I ask for his protection from Shaitan and   ]
[from my own Desires.  None can protect me except Allah.  If I  ]
[have made any errors, I beg Allah to bring them to my attention]
[so that they may be corrected.  If I have made none, then it is]
[only through the Grace of Allah and all praise is due only to  ]
['Him.'                                                         ]

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