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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 09:39:40 EDT
From: <WAS104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Home show 10/8

If anyone saw the HOME show yesturday, there was a segment on about the new fal
l "looks" and the mistakes that go with them.  a couple I remember are:
With a long slit skirt, don't wear a bulky sweater or a long shirt, streamline
the look with a blouse and a vest.
And for the plus sizes (12 and up), i am just going to interject here for a min
ute..I have this problem alot, i love the sarong (i believe thats what it is ca
lled) where it comes across the waist and ties, BUT it looks so tight and ugly.
 there was a dress (i believe from JC Penny, it was gourgeous. but i digress,
The plus size model had on a blue sarong style dress, the fit was just wonderfu
ly.  I think the point was, if you get a dress that fits, (not like me trying t
o squeeze into 11's just to wear junior clothes) it will look great!!

Last week also, they had a jeans segment....I have come to the conclusion that
the best place to but jeans is at THE GAP, they have so many differnt cuts and
styles and colors you can't possibly go wrong!!!!

Not to plug the HOME show, but it is well worth the hour of your soap tapes....
Many Many fashion segments...

(shows where my mind is....last week, they did a preview of futureistic clothes
, it was kinda cool, a bathing suit with no bare skin (ie, no ozone layer) and
really slinky clothes, THE BEST was a dress that had some kind of Velcro on it,
 it went from the office to a club to a wedding type thing a jacket came with i
t ....lal la la  and it was totally wrinkle free...future looks good, someone m
ade a comment that if it was in black you could take just that along, and noone
 would know,,,,,

I have rambled long enough
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"Games without frontiers
Wars without fears"
                   -peter gabriel

                                         tara
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: sybalsky@parc.xerox.com (John Sybalsky)
Subject: Re: Help in finding tights in womens sizes.
Summary: What's BBW Magazine?
Organization: Xerox Palo Alto Research Center
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 08:32:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.185706.10605@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> 22302LMK@MSU writes:

> if you pick up a copy of BBW magazine...

Um, what's BBW Magazine?



-- 
--John
Venue
I OWN the company.  Of COURSE they're official opinions!
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman)
Subject: Re: Dolce & Gabanna
Reply-To: euafri@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:15:57 GMT

Edward S Chen writes:

>Dolce & Garbarna
         Gabanna

It helps being eccentrical if you want to be a fashion designer. What most people like is determined by archetypes or, in worst case, stereotypes. *Fashion* designers develop new styles for people who want to keep ahead of others. But even these people demand archetypes, that is why the fame and name of these designers are so important. Of course, after a while, a few of these styles become archetypes for the masses.

It's only within the head of the designer the designs are non-archetypal, therefore designers must be eccentrical.

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From: 22302LMK@MSU
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: CORRECTION: Outlet malls in MI
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:14:03 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

I found the outlet mall brochure and here are the locations
Monroe, MI  14500 LaPlaisance Rd. (313) 241-4804 Mon-Sat. 10-9p.m. Sun 11-6p.m.
Traverse City, Mi
Holland, MI
Birch Run, MI
Also Edinburgh, Indiana and Oshkosh, Wisconsin
Here is a 800 number for more info on the newer stores that have opened since
the brochure came out (800) 866-5900

I have personally been to the Birch Run outlet. It was great, there are so many
things to see and buy, all at really good prices. Hope this helps

Lisa
From: rberteig@cco.caltech.edu (Ross Berteig)
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: Help in finding tights in womens sizes.
Date: 9 Oct 1992 22:56:56 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu

Hi!

BBW is Big Beautiful Woman magazine, a fashion magazine for full-figured
women...

--Michelle Berteig
From: lhunt@applix.com (Lisa Hunt [ext 245])
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: Pajamas with feet
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:48:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Applix, Inc., Westboro, MA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Jimmy Chin (jc@dolphin.cis.ufl.edu) wrote:
: The impossible quest. Seeking pajamas with feet in them (in Florida, no less) 
: to no success. If anyone's got a lead on finding those jumpsuit-type pajamas
: with the feet sewn in, in adult sizes, pass it on to me. Mail-order is 
: preferred.

I was also looking for these commercially and never found one in adult sizes.
However, Kwik-Sew has a pattern for adult sleepers with feet which made up
pretty well.

Lisa Hunt
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Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: 22302LMK@MSU
Subject: New Outlet mall coming in 93
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: 12 Oct 1992 12:38:25 EDT

Sorry to bring this up again, but there will be a new outlet mall going up in
Michigan, this one is in Dewitt, Mi about 30 minutes from Lansing. It should
be completed late 93 early 94.


Lisa
From: aeichsta@athena.mit.edu (Andrew J. Eichstaedt)
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Medium Long at Brooks
Date: 11 Oct 92 07:00:50 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology


malak@grebyn.com (Michael Malak) writes:
>Land's End and L.L. Bean are a godsend to me -- I know of nowhere else
>to get shirts and coats in medium tall.  Most places that carry tall
>sizes ignore "medium tall".
>                           
>If anyone knows of any mail-order places that carry any of the
>following, please let me know:
>* Long sleeve casual shirts, polo tops, etc. in "medium tall" or 15.5x35   

Brooks Brothers, which has a mail order catalog, sells medium long suit
jackets and sport coats.

Happy shopping,
Andrew Eichstaedt
AEichsta@Athena.MIT.Edu
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: hal@nexus.yorku.ca (Harvey Haldorson)
Subject: Re: Any Marc Jacobs fans out there?
Organization: York University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:38:31 GMT


>Some questions for the alt-fashionable:
>Has anyone mailed Jill Miller direct? My replies to her keep bouncing.

>Who out there knows anything about hat designers/designing?

There are alot of new hat designers out there, but they are mostly
independant milliners supplying to different labels (some better known
than others).  There are some great hats coming out; the best way to
familiarize yourself with the milliners name (not just the
label), check the subscript in your favorite magazines when you
see a hat you like. [In case you're interested, while I work in ladies
wear as a designer, I have previously worked in millinery myself].

---stuff deleted---
>Do any of you actually live in ares where you see people wear what is on this
>season's runways?  I'd stick out in a crowd here if I wore the latest from my f
>avorite designers (Jacobs, Klein, Armani, Sander, Rykiel, etc. etc.) if I could
> ever afford them.

As a rule, what's on the runway is more punchy than what people are
expected to wear on the streets, although their exageration does
influence even the season's pret-a-porter.  Be brave, be innovative
and help bring some of that Montreal flare to Toronto streets (I
assume from your net.address you're in T.O.).


>What are your opinions about the designing Karl Lagerfeld has done for the Chan
>el house?

I'm not overly impressed with what he has done, but within the
creative limitations of the House of Chanel, his work has been
homogenous with its look, and they have both benefitted from the
relationship.  Each piece in Lagerfeld's collections have succeeded
in being highly identifiable with the classic Chanel.

>Surrounded by such styles as LandsEnd and LLBean, (yawnorama!)
>Jennifer Sanborn

Ditto.

Shawn Redford




Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: 22302LMK@MSU
Subject: Full-figured minks & furs
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: 12 Oct 1992 12:48:49 EDT

Does anyone know of a fur salon that has full figured minks or furs? I know
some stores can special order, but does anyone know of any stores that have
them in stock ready to try on.

Lisa




Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: 22302LMK@MSU
Subject: Full-Figured tights&stockings
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: 12 Oct 1992 12:44:17 EDT

I also just discovered that Givenchy (expensive) has a pantyhose and tights
line for the fuller-figure. Also Jacobsons just introduced Berkshire, "it fits
pantyhose and some tights for fuller figures as well.

Also if any of these stores are still in business, try Lady Orva or Parklane
hosiery stores. They have all sizes. Unfortunatley here in E. Lansing,Mi both
stores have gone out of business.

Lisa
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: malak@grebyn.com (Michael Malak)
Subject: Re: Any Marc Jacobs fans out there?
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:35:42 GMT

In article <IO11283.921004202926@maine.maine.EDU> io11283%maine.bitnet@utcs.utoronto.ca writes:
>
>Surrounded by such styles as LandsEnd and LLBean, (yawnorama!)
>Jennifer Sanborn

Land's End and L.L. Bean are a godsend to me -- I know of nowhere else
to get shirts and coats in medium tall.  Most places that carry tall
sizes ignore "medium tall".

If anyone knows of any mail-order places that carry any of the
following, please let me know:

* Long sleeve casual shirts, polo tops, etc. in "medium tall" or 15.5x35
* Outerwear (esp. non-leather) in "medium tall"
* Athletic shoes in 12B or "12 narrow"
From: malak@grebyn.com (Michael Malak)
Subject: Re: Medium Long at Brooks
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 16:10:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.070050.16731@athena.mit.edu> aeichsta@athena.mit.edu (Andrew J. Eichstaedt) writes:
>
>Brooks Brothers, which has a mail order catalog, sells medium long suit
>jackets and sport coats.

Thanks anyway, but finding dressy clothes is no problem for some reason.
I guess because they come in so many sizes anyway, adding a 39L wouldn't
hurt.  Heck, I've even gotten sport coats at *Price Club* (a warehouse
store).

Even dress shoes are much easier to find.  Just about any mall store
carries wing-tips in 12B, but you get just the slightest bit casual and
ask for penny loafers and you're out of luck.  The specialty shoe size
stores carry these and much more fortunately, albiet at "scalper" prices
($80 for docksiders), and I even got a pair of Nike Air Pegasus there.
But I have as of yet to find an athletic store that sells 12B, where I
can buy such specialty shoes as Racquetball shoes.

I'll go ahead and get a Brooks Brothers catalog anyway -- see what they
have.  Thanks.

Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: 22302LMK@MSU
Subject: Need some advice on silver shoes
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: 12 Oct 1992 12:41:28 EDT

I have just purchased a teal and silver sequined dress for the holidays. The
question I have is should I purchase silver shoes or maybe some that can be
dyed to match the teal? Or forget the whole thing and go for black patent  e
leather?


Lisa

Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: dmiller@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Dick and Jill Miller)
Subject: How to e-mail to Jill Miller
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:39:47 GMT

Hi!  This is Jill Miller.

Back from a weekend away and reading the news, I note that someone has been 
having trouble e-mailing me.  Use the address at the BOTTOM of my postings 
rather than your system's reply function.  The problem is due to something 
in the post-news program at MIT which goes thru a different computer which 
doesn't know the address of most of the e-mail accounts.  Anyway, the 
address at the bottom is the secret.

--Jill

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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: c9a-az@po.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Subject: Re: Success at Centreville (VA) No-Tap Tourney
Summary: defective ball?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:11:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.005721.24390@tigger.jvnc.net> aspi@tigger.jvnc.net (All-Source Processing) writes:

	[ about burgundy Hammer and possible shell separation ]

>After a bit of research after drilling my
>ball he turned up the tidbit that what was so special about the Burgundy
>Hammer was that it was extremely soft -- so soft, in fact, that it has
>been banned from tournament play on several circuits.  "So what does
>'extremely soft' mean?" I asked him.  Answer: hooks hard.

Another answer: not good, if the ball does not meet the legal lower
limits of hardness set by the ABC (or PBA, if you are a member).

>Well, heck, all of that was over my head (except that I was a bit worried
>that I might have gotten a defective ball, so I kept the shipping labels
>and receipts).  I just took it out on the lane.  I jived with it really
 
Unless you never plan to bowl in any ABC National or state tournaments, 
PBA events, ABT, or other bowling events where the ball is checked for
legal hardness, I would take the ball in to a pro shop that owns a func-
tioning durometer and have the ball checked to see if it makes at least 
'72' in a number of different places on the ball.  Since most of the balls
the PBA gets first shot at are very new products, sometimes the "kinks"
aren't completely worked out, as Aki can tell you about the Purple Passion
Sumo.  I suspect that if the core is flaking as you say, then you do have
a defective ball; I would get it replaced ASAP, if you can.  Often, a 
"first batch" of balls comes out bad, and (virtually) all manufacturers
of these balls will rectify the problem (most likely an exchange).


Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: arrrrgh! NOT AGAIN!
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6F9C95BBA022631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 8 Oct 92 16:17:47 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:24:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.144424.3946@europa.asd.contel.com> Larry King,
king@ssvax.gte.com writes:
>Aki, I would be interested.  Do you open a lot in the beginning of the
>middle game and turn it on in the end or is it just a consistant down
>game?  If that were the case, it would seem that mentally you just are
>letting down in the beginning of the second game and then once the mind
>wakes up (realize that having a beer may invert this effect) you
>concentrate more and you "salvage" the game. 


Actually I bowl with the same intensity every game.  I guess that's
because in a tournament we bowl anywhere from 5 to 8 game
blocks and I can't afford to let my concentration drop for a 
second.  A spare or open in the wrong place can cost me serious
$$$.  I bowl league with the same intensity.  I consider league
bowling practice for the tourneys.

It's really weird, same intensity, same release, same shot, same
ball...just drastically different results.  Third game, I shoot
_exactly_ the same and steamroll right though the game with
no problems.  I haven't noticed a marked difference at the
beginning, middle or ending of the game.  I shoot lousy all the
way through (e.g. one or two strikes, 3 or 4 splits and a couple
of spares thrown in for good measure).   But watch out when I
step up for the first frame of the 3rd game! Rock -n-Roll!  

Great mysteries of all time:

Stonehenge
Atlantis
Easter Island
Second game of bowling

gives me goosebumps...

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
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"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: gregw@hspice.portal.com (Greg Widdicombe)
Subject: Re: Statistically speaking
Organization: Meta - Software
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:46:02 GMT

In article <MGG.92Oct8101551@corgie.ece.cmu.edu> mgg@ece.cmu.edu (Martin Greenberg) writes:
>Speaking of rare occurances, I remember reading (it may have been in
>the same issue) that the rarest score in bowling is a 292. That's 11
>in a row and a 2 count on the 12th ball. It's only been done ~10
>times.
>
>						MGG

Surprisingly, the same issue of Bowling magazine mentions this too.
Only five 292's have been documented, dating back to John Timmons in
Union City, Ind. on 4/12/50.  It says there may be others.

-- Greg

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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: mahunt@eos.ncsu.edu (MARK ALLAN HUNT)
Subject: Re: PBA schedule for 1992 Fall Tour...
Originator: mahunt@c00317-2114bl.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: mahunt@eos.ncsu.edu (MARK ALLAN HUNT)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 07:12:51 GMT


Does anyone out there have a southern regional schedule..

If you have it can you post it or e-mail me for my po box address.

thanks.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa)
Subject: Re: arrrrgh! NOT AGAIN!
Reply-To: jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa)
Organization: Encore Computer Corp
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:47:08 GMT
News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <1992Oct7.182748.11928@worldbank.org> aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:


| 219,_171_, 223....
| 
| JUST WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON IN MY SECOND GAME???!!!!???
| 

Just looking back on my series over the past two years (have 'em in database)..

some pretty lopsided ones....

210 186 246
198 139 198

but then again

148 232 154 ??

I bowled these games on lanes that are VERY Oily to begin with usually.  I
have a Blue Nitro sideweighted, and I can't stand oil especially so close to
me, screw me up hughly.  

Anyways, you usually find a groove to bowl in during practice for that
first game.  But after 8-10 players have been bowling near or about the same
track for 10 frames, the oil is going to move further down the lane.  Come
the second game, you're first game shot is no longer there!  You become 
disgusted on why you bowled so great in the first game, and can't do 
diddly-poop in the second.  Well, by the end of the second game, you find out
that all you needed to do have shift left by 1/2 step or something similar.
Once you figured this out, you save you second game, and have a good third 
game.

This type of series is typical, I've seen it many times.  And that's the big
test of a good bowler, able to adjust when the lane conditions change, and
able to do this QUICKLY! 

That's exactly what happen with those series above, but that was two years
ago.  As I look back upon last season, I don't find many series like that
one (well one, 244 126 166, one TOO many TWO early :)  And that's what I 
tried to concentrate on the past season.

And if that doesn't help, come up with that mysterious finger injury, that
forces you to blind that second game, only to be magically recuperated for
the third.....I wish :^)

Joe "I'd better bowl lefty for that damn 10 pin" Sosa
From: mgg@ece.cmu.cmu.edu (Martin Greenberg)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Statistically speaking
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:15:51 GMT
Reply-To: mgg@ece.cmu.edu (Martin Greenberg)
Organization: ECE Department, CMU

Speaking of rare occurances, I remember reading (it may have been in
the same issue) that the rarest score in bowling is a 292. That's 11
in a row and a 2 count on the 12th ball. It's only been done ~10
times.

						MGG
From: dunster@sdsu.edu (mark dunster)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Statistically speaking
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:50:48 GMT
Organization: sdsu

In article <1992Oct8.152736.23720@worldbank.org>, aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:
> 
> In article <MGG.92Oct8101551@corgie.ece.cmu.edu> Martin Greenberg,
> mgg@ece.cmu.cmu.edu writes:
> >Speaking of rare occurances, I remember reading (it may have been in
> >the same issue) that the rarest score in bowling is a 292. That's 11
> >in a row and a 2 count on the 12th ball. It's only been done ~10
> >times.
> 
> 
> Hey!  I've shot 292!  It's not that hard!  What do you mean less than
> 10 people have only shot that?  Sheesh, I know people who
> REGULARLY do that...what?  OH IN A -SINGLE- game!...well
> then ....ever mind...
> 
> -Aki
> The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
> E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
> (202)458-1112
> DoD 0628
> PBA 2294
> *************************************
> "How come the best bowling ball for
> me is always the one I don't own?"
> *************************************
> 
> 

How about the occurences of a ZERO game? I would have thought this was fairly rare.
True, most of us seen some outrageous sandbagging, but not to that extent! As to the
beginners, no matter how bad, they seem to get the odd ball to avoid the gutter (give
enough monkeys enough bowling balls...........).  :-)

P.S. The lowest game I've witnessed was a 15 (on a lane next to mine). I told
her *DON'T LOOK AT THE PINS, LOOK AT THE ARROWS.* In the next game she was working 
on a double in the fifth frame when I left. Great improvement!

Cheers,

mark dunster.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Success at Centreville (VA) No-Tap Tourney
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A702EB8CF9042631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 15 Oct 92 14:34:04 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:41:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.211139.13530@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Mark Fujimoto,
c9a-az@po.berkeley.edu writes:
>a defective ball; I would get it replaced ASAP, if you can.  Often, a 
>"first batch" of balls comes out bad, and (virtually) all manufacturers
>of these balls will rectify the problem (most likely an exchange).
>


Bob, get the ball d-scaled out by John, also check the core, if it's
flaking, let me know and I'll notify the manufacturer.

Regards,
-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
*************************************