From: forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: More questions for Suzanne or other pro-life parent
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:25:18 GMT
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA
Originator: forgach@gemini.tuc.noao.edu

From article by gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga):
> 
> I have some questions for Suzanne based on this exchange and her known
> position.  The questions are asked honestly.
> 
> Assume your daughter is under-age (say, 16).
> Your daughter gets pregnant and has an abortion.  You find out about it.
> What do you do?  

Cry alot.  That was my grandchild that was killed.


> How do you treat her?

Like I've always treated her.   Very lovingly.

 
> Do you beat her?  

Don't be ridiculous.


> Do you scorn her?  

Don't be ridiculous.

Neither of these would turn her heart from selfishness back to love and life.


> Do you try to guilt her during this
> trying time?  

Some guilt is appropriate, and I tell you now that she is growing up
with picture books of unborn babies around the house.  ("A Child is Born".)
She will never get an abortion in ignorance.


> Do you believe she would get an abortion lightly?

If she'd had sex lightly, you bet.   But she won't do either.
She will be going to an NFP class at the first sign of her first cycle,
and she will know exactly how her body works, how boys' bodies work,
and where babies come from.


> (I'm going to try to anticipate your answers, so bear with me.  This is
> purely to facilitate the conversation and not drag it out over several
> weeks. If you disagree with my answers for you please supply your own.)

(They just look like repitition to me.)

 
> Based on your answers to previous posts, I'll assume you'll attempt to go
> after the abortionist in some way.  You've said as much before.
> Let's say your daughter won't tell you where she got the abortion and
> you're unable to find out.

Let's say that I am raising my daughter so that it will never come to that.
She will never get pregnant without having planned it.

It's called "education".


> What do you do?  How do you treat her?
> 
> Do you beat her?  Do you scorn her?  Do you try to guilt her during this
> trying time?  Do you believe she would protect the abortionist on a whim?

Repetition is boring, Gordon.


> I'll assume you'll try to get her some counseling to deal with her 'guilt'
> which she *must* be feeling (you've implied this in other posts).
> Let's say she won't go.  

She'll go.   We've already established that I am the adult in this situation.
She will go.


> She won't talk to your priest, she won't even go
> to church.

I wouldn't send her to a male counselor.   She will talk to other women
who've been through it.


> What do you do?  How do you treat her?
> 
> Do you beat her?  Do you scorn her?  Do you continue try to guilt her
> during this trying time?  

More repetition is even more boring, Gordon.


> Do you believe she acted irresponsibly and
> now must pay the price?  

I'd believe she acted irresponsibly and now she needs my help.


> Would you kick her out of the house (or
> threaten to) 

Don't be stupid.  Just to drive her to another pregnancy and another
abortion in her unending search for love, aggravated by such an act?

WHY DO YOU THINK TEENAGE GIRLS --GET-- PREGNANT, GORDON??!!

It's not even half as much their sex drives as it is their desperate, mistaken,
attempts to find love in a crazy, misguided world!!

And you know what??  If they'd let their pregnancies go to term, they'd
have it.


> as Chaney implied he would in another post?

He didn't imply it.  He _stated_ it.  And Chaney's not a parent yet, so
I'd only believe he'd do such a thing when I actually saw him do it.


> Do you tell her she just comitted murder?  

Yes.

> Do you tell her she just
> murdered her child?  

Yes.

> That she had it cut up into little pieces because she
> was unwilling to accept her responsibility?  

Yes, but she will have known that before having it done.
NOT AFTER.


> Do you tell her that when she
> gets to heaven she'll have to face that child and tell it why she had it
> killed?  

I'd tell her that she will have had to have repented of that act BEFORE dying,
or she won't GET to heaven to MEET that child whom she now so terribly misses.
The child will know, and will be waiting with open arms to forgive her, if
she wishes to go there to meet him/her.


> Do you try to see her side of it?  Do you ask her to explain?

Yet BET I do!

 
> These are all valid questions.  Teen-agers are rebellious.  At some
> point they tend to just sit down and not budge (metaphorically).  Your
> daughter might not do this (and I'm sure many will claim they'll never
> have to answer these questions because they'll raise their daughter
> "right"), but then again she might.  

No, she mightn't.  My daughter will be well educated in how her body works,
and exactly where babies come from.   She already knows they grow inside
mommies, since so many of our relatives and friends are having babies, and
she's helped pack boxes for her new little cousins.   She's seen models and
pictures of unborn babies, and with no prompting from me, she has squeeled
in delight and kissed them!   I have no intention of changing her mind on
that!


> If you can manage it, stay in the
> hypothetical, but try to personalize it in a 'real world' sense.


The real world is what you make it, Gordon.
The real world is that parents CAN and DO have a HUGE influence on
their children's view of the world.


 
> All others are welcome to answer too.
> 
> 
> Gordon

Suzanne.
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