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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:49:55 EDT
From: <LPR100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: CD Pressing Costs

Can anyone give me a guess, in round figures at least, of how much
it would cost to get a small number (say around 100) CD's made from
a master tape? I'm assuming indie companies would do this, but I don't
know what numbers they deal with. If anyone could give me some advice
on where to look for such a company, that would also be appreciate. Thanks!

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From: jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: green markers (was Re: Do CD's degrade?, and DCC questions)
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:00:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.BvCsu1.5Kw
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Dave) writes:

>Supposedly, if you take a green marker and color around the edge of the
>disc, it improves the sound.  Supposedly, the green helps reflect the
>laser or keeps it from "leaking" or something.  Some people swear by
>it.  Personally, I think it's a conspiracy by green marker manufacturers!

That's a Berol Rapid Design Turquoise Marker and not green.  Second choice
is black.  Having tried it I think it is a Turquoise marker manufacturer
conspiracy.
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: BMG Gripes 
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:38:16 GMT


Well, with all the BMG chatter, I thought I'd take a moment to describe
my recent interactions with them. 

First of all, I'll admit I didn't expect to like much about BMG except
the free cds. I knew they had a limited selection. I know my tastes tend 
towards stuff not on major labels anyway. But I'm a sucker for deals that
offer me poiles of free or cheap cds, so I thought I'd give them a try. 

My initial 4 free cds came fairly quickly. I waited for a couple of mailings
before deciding what to buy and I ordered it. It got delivered as a cassette
instead of a cd. I called and asked for a return label. I waited about 3 
weeks and it never showed. I called an got anotehr return label. It arrived
and I sent the tape back and requested the cd version. After another 3 weeks
or so I got it. I sent a check to pay for it. 

By this time I'm a little frustrated that it's taken me months to get my
first order delivered so I can pay for it to get the other 4 free cds. I'm
also frustrated by having to mail back a stupid card each month to prevent 
them from automatically shipping me something I am virtually guaranteed
not to want. Someone on the net said that if you tell them you're traveling
for a few months they will change you to a program where they don't auto-mail
the "featured" selection. Someone else mentioned that you don't even have to
lie about it, just call them and tell them you don't want to mail the card
and they'll take care of it. 

So I called them up to ask if they could stop the return card program, and 
to ask about box sets - I'm due for 4 more free cds from them and I'd like
to get a 4cd James Brown box set they have. Someone on the net mentioned
that you may not be able to apply the free cds to a box set. So I called, 
hoping to resolve my questions and to get out of mailing those stupid cards
back. 

I was told taht there is no other program where you don't have the cards back. 
I told the woman I'd heard there was. I said "are you saying there's nothing
you can do for me at this time, that I have to mail you a card back every
month?" and she said yes. I asked about getting a box set with my 4 free
cd credit. She said absoluetly not. I told the woman that if I had to mail 
the cards back each month that I would drop my membership as soon as I got
the rest of my cds. She said thank you and goodbye. Ok, fine... I was amazed
that they just leave it at that - they lied to me about the return cards and
would rather lose me as a customer than switch me to the "secret" program...

Anyway, if you hate mailing back the cards, call em up and lie to them - tell
them you're leaving town for a few months. If you want box sets, buy them
at full price through BMG or on sale, don't expect them to use logic and 
consider 4 cds = to a 4cd box set in value...  

 - malcolm@wrs.com 
 
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: dlucy@sandr.COM (Douglas Lucy)
Subject: Re: Looking for a Floyd disc
Organization: S&R Software, Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:47:23 GMT
Keywords: Floyd, CD, Pompeii

In article <1992Sep28.142407.12445@athena.mit.edu> fredette@athena.mit.edu
  (Matthew H Fredette) writes:

> Now, most Floyd fans will have seen their "Live at Pompeii" movie/
> documentary/performance, and will no doubt have appreciated the music,
> like I did.  My question is, does anyone, in the US or overseas, know
> where I can get my hands on the Live at Pompeii CD?  This is /not/ a
> joke; a friend of mine at school owns one - except he bought it used
> and has no idea where to get another.  The insert is in Italian (I
> believe) and contains all of the music in the movie.  Has anyone seen
> this anywhere?

Well, the VHS tape of "Live at Pompeii" *IS* HiFi.... <obvious result
omitted due to legal ramifications>

-- 
| Doug Lucy        |                                                     |
| S&R Software Inc | (foreign language sig under construction)           |
| dlucy@sandr.com  |                                                     |
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Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: WTP.ADMIN@MHS.UNC.EDU (Bill Pitts)
Subject: WNATED: Monteverdi CD
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:36:30 GMT

I am looking for an Angel/EMI REFLEXE CD that has gone "Out-of-print":

Monteverdi, Claudio
Venetian Vesper Music from
"Selva Morale et Spirituale (1640)"
Tavener Consort
Tavener Choir
Tavener Players
Andrew Parrott
Angel CDC-47016

Does anyone know of any places that might have this in stock or be able to  
locate it.

Thanks
Bill
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Al Stewart's 24 P/Carrots + Indian Summer (UK CD)
Summary: may not be what we've been waiting for ... )-;
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:55:25 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel


I found this when looking at this week's listings of the used music
server (used-music-server@cs.ucsb.edu ... send HELP as subject line
for more info (do NOT send me mail!)):

 Stewart, Al     CD    24 Carrots/Indian Summer 
 (UK; At Last! Over 60 mins long; lyrics/notes)

Indian Summer was a 1 side studio/3 sides live album, and by itself
clocked in at 75 minutes on vinyl!  And 24 P/Carrots was a standard
album.  Did they butcher the live album to put it all together???

gld
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> gld@cunixB.cc.columbia.EDU		Oct 26/92: Just say "OUI!"
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Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay)
Subject: Re: The Green Pen Truth
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:36:14 GMT

I should try this on a disk I have that skips *occassionally*.  I wonder
if this might help.  As previously posted before, I've used the turquoise
marker and I thought if I heard a difference it was becasue I wanted to.

I'll give it a whirl.
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Green slime and other analogue comments
From: strauss@uncavx.unca.edu
Date: 30 Sep 92 08:50:10 -0500
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
Nntp-Posting-User: strauss

RE: green pen stuff, and other nonsense, if anyone wants to persue this
further, try the "quote" high end audio groups. They are full of this crap.
Imagine if this "analog is better than digital" nonsense were true:
"Get an analog computer! Your data will be "cleaner" "better" and look better
on the printed page!"

Nonsense!

But it is fun, sometimes, to read those magazines: each 'enhancement' (e.g.,
green slime) seems to "add immeasureably" to the end result. I can't imagine
what the original music sounds like!

Digital forever! (Until something better comes along, that is)

Bob Strauss
UNC-Asheville
strauss@uncavx.unva.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: mlaurenc@world.std.com (Matt Laurence)
Subject: Help with BST?
Keywords: Blood, sweat, tears, bass
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:31:41 GMT

I'm looking DESPERATELY for Blood Sweat and Tears on CD, particularly
the albums Nuclear Blues and Brand New Day. Neither are terribly
easy to find even on vinyl or cassette, but I was wondering if
perhaps anyone knows if they've been reissued on CD anywhere,
anyhow? Actually, any other of BSTs albums would be nice too.
Thanks for the info.

Matt
From: sale5312@mary.cs.fredonia.edu (Marty Saletta)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Blade Runner Soundtrack
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:13:03 GMT
Organization: Math / CS, State Univ. of N. Y. College at Fredonia
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3


  As far as I know, the original Blade Runner soundtrack does not
exist anywhere on CD in it's complete form.  The recordings I do
know about are:

  -An orchestra doing the Blade Runner music, but *not* Vangelis.  This
is available in many locations on CD.  Notice the words about having
the music from the movie and not "original soundtrack" appearing
on the box.  The music is *not* taken from the movie- just re-recorded
to fool the unknowing buyer.

  -Vangelis has a CD out which is a compilation of his movie scores.
I think it's called "Themes" or something like that.  On it is two
or three of the *original* songs from the soundtrack, including (I think)
the ending credits.  That alone should be worth it.  I've seen this
one quite a bit too.  I'd bet it's also in Surround Sound for those
of you lucky to have the decoders- not me just yet :^(

  Cheers!

  Marty

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Marty Saletta                               "Take what I say
Fredonia State University                      in a different way,
sale5312@mary.cs.fredonia.edu                    and it's easy to say that
..{rutgers,ucbvax}!sunybcs!mary!sale5312          this is all confusion"  -Yes
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: green markers (was Re: Do CD's degrade?, and DCC questions)
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:25:11 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <BvCsu1.5Kw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay) writes:
|prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Dave) writes:
|
|>Supposedly, if you take a green marker and color around the edge of the
|>disc, it improves the sound.  Supposedly, the green helps reflect the
|>laser or keeps it from "leaking" or something.  Some people swear by
|>it.  Personally, I think it's a conspiracy by green marker manufacturers!
|
|That's a Berol Rapid Design Turquoise Marker and not green.  Second choice
|is black.  Having tried it I think it is a Turquoise marker manufacturer
|conspiracy.

And if you clean your CD's with windex the music will sounded clearer.


-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
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Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Welcome to the Pleasuredome by Frankie Goes to Hollywood
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 22:56:30 GMT
Organization: Mr. Lazlo's Temple Of The Mighty Rude-Boy Skank
Distribution: usa
Keywords: Frankie, Hollywood, CD, Pleasuredome

kiniry@giane.cs.umass.edu (Joe Kiniry) writes:

> I will pay good money for the CD _Welcome to the Pleasuredome_ by
> Frankie Goes to Hollywood.  I am looking for the _ORIGINAL_ version of 
> the CD distributed by Island Records ZTT.   

Except that what you describe is actually the second version of the CD,
not the original (though it's the only version I've ever seen in the US). 
The original issue of the CD matched the double-LP tracks exactly, went
out of press very quickly, and was only reissued on CD again sometime last
year in the UK.  The revised "exclusive to CD" issue changed a few tracks
around:  

	* deletes "Snatch Of Fury" vox from beginning of "Pleasuredome"
	* replaces 3:20 "Two Tribes" with 9:08 remix + "the last voice"
	* replaces "Ferry" and "San Jose" with "Happy Hi"

The weird bit is that as far as I know, the original version with "Ferry"
and "San Jose" has never been released on CD in the US -- has it?  If so,
does anyone have a catalog number?  I could have sworn that I checked the
latest reissue when it came in and found that it had the same tracks as
the US CD always did . . . 

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

Nibble say get naked!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 08:47:56 EDT
From: Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: green markers (was Re: Do CD's degrade?, and DCC questions)
 <1992Sep29.171019.4779@en.ecn.purdue.edu> <BvCsu1.5Kw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
 <14840@auspex-gw.auspex.com>

In article <14840@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) says:
>
>In article <BvCsu1.5Kw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay)
>writes:
>|prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Dave) writes:
>|
>|>Supposedly, if you take a green marker and color around the edge of the
>|>disc, it improves the sound.  Supposedly, the green helps reflect the
>|>laser or keeps it from "leaking" or something.  Some people swear by
>|>it.  Personally, I think it's a conspiracy by green marker manufacturers!
>|
>|That's a Berol Rapid Design Turquoise Marker and not green.  Second choice
>|is black.  Having tried it I think it is a Turquoise marker manufacturer
>|conspiracy.
>
>And if you clean your CD's with windex the music will sounded clearer.
>
and if you sacrifice a chicken under a full moon, the music sounds out of this
world.
---
later,
sunil
From: VETTERS@vax1.elon.edu (Steve Vetter  )
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: CD packaging
Date: 30 Sep 92 04:39:29 GMT
Organization: Elon College
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

Peter Gabriel's new disc is shipped to record stores shrink wrapped
with just a special metal foil label over the opening.
The guy at the record store said that the'll all be like that
next year...

Anyone?

Steve Vetter
From: miller@quiver.enet.dec.com (Brian A. Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: WANTED: Bloodwyn Pig on CD
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:37:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntpd.1992Oct1.144429.1213
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


I'm interested in getting a copy of any Bloodwyn Pig CDs that
may have been released.  For those who don't know, Bloodwyn Pig
was a group formed by Mick Abrahams when he left Jethro Tull
after their first album (Mick was Tull's original guitarist before
Martin Barre).

If anyone has a Bloodwyn Pig album *on CD* that they'd be willing to sell,
let me know.  Or if you know where I might find them, that would also be
welcome.

Thanks in advance,
Brian Miller
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: fredette@athena.mit.edu (Matthew H Fredette)
Subject: Looking for a Floyd disc
Keywords: Floyd, CD, Pompeii
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:24:07 GMT

Hello all,

	Now, most Floyd fans will have seen their "Live at Pompeii"
movie/documentary/performance, and will no doubt have appreciated the music, like
I did.  My question is, does anyone, in the US or overseas, know where I can get
my hands on the Live at Pompeii CD?  This is /not/ a joke; a friend of mine at
school owns one - except he bought it used and has no idea where to get another.
The insert is in Italian (I believe) and contains all of the music in the movie.
Has anyone seen this anywhere?

Thanks in advance,

Matt

NOTE: please reply to fredette@athena.mit.edu, as I do not read this group often.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: rodean@fc.hp.com (Bruce Rodean)
Subject: Re: Help with BST?
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:38:51 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Fort Collins, CO
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Matt Laurence (mlaurenc@world.std.com) wrote:
> I'm looking DESPERATELY for Blood Sweat and Tears on CD, particularly
> the albums Nuclear Blues and Brand New Day. Neither are terribly
> easy to find even on vinyl or cassette, but I was wondering if
> perhaps anyone knows if they've been reissued on CD anywhere,
> anyhow? Actually, any other of BSTs albums would be nice too.
> Thanks for the info.

It would be utterly fantastic if "4" were released on CD.  My vinyl is
at home, but there are lots of good songs on it.  The other one I'd like
to see is whichever one had "Lucretia MacEvil" (sp) on it.  I think the
song is on the greatest hits CD, but I'd prefer the other recording.

My one BS&T CD is rather lonely.  C'mon CBS/Sony, get on the stick!

--
Bruce Rodean                          Hewlett-Packard Company
rodean@fc.hp.com

Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: cdale@IASTATE.EDU (Jason S Adams)
Subject: Re: The Green Pen Truth
Reply-To: cdale@IASTATE.EDU (Jason S Adams)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 06:32:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.042912.9407@lester.appstate.edu>, VETTERS@vax1.elon.edu
(Steve Vetter  ) writes:
> About the green pen...
> It really has nothing to do with the color as originally anticipated.
> The truth of the matter is that because the edges of a CD are clear,
> the light from the laser escapes from the side thereby causing *slight*
> surface noise on some discs.
> I have an interview disc (of someone I never heard of) tacked to the 
> wall in my dorm and the edges of it are silver (painted at the factory).
> This better keeps the beam in or so I am told.
> I had a lengthy discussion over the summer with a guy who told me taht a
> black permanent marker (permanent so it doesn't rub off on your hands)
> will do even better than a green pen.
> In my personal experience I have found that Iron Butterfly's 
> "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" experiences much less surface noise after being 
> treated with the black pen.  The guy I was talking to had a Frank Zappa 
> disc that he improved using this technique.
> Any additional input would be helpful here...

Not to dispute that the improvements you heard actually occured, but you must be
sure that you did hear the improvements because of the effect marking the disc
had on "surface noise" and not because you "expected" to hear some difference. 
This issue has been discussed in several audio mags in the past.  The problem
with doing a critical listening test in this case is that you can't wipe off the
edges of the disc and re-listen to it the way it was before the marker was put
on the edges.  You could use two discs of the same album (one marked, one
unmarked), but then you introduce the problem of inconsistencies between copies.
I'm not saying that it's not worth trying to do, just that it is something that
can't be decided by listening to a disc once, marking the edge, and then
listening to it and drawing a conclusion.

cdale@iastate.edu

PS--what if you marked it and then thought it sounded worse?
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: u882517@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Blos!)
Subject: Re: Out of print imports?
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 07:12:36 GMT

mdcolby@OCTAVO writes:

>attempt to locate discs considered "out-of-print."  Now, just because
>a disc is no longer active in the label's catalog doesn't mean that it
>isn't sitting on a shelf somewhere in that country, it seems to me.

	Unfortunately, that's *exactly* what it means...they are still listed
in the catalogue while stocks remain, and when the stocks run out they are
deleted.  The discs aren't being continually pressed!  They make a quantity
at one time (and press further editions if there is sufficient perceived
demand) and keep them in storage until they run out -- then deletion.
Often the "sale" CDs you see sometimes are remnants of stock, called "deletions"
and priced to clear.

	Sometimes things can be "out of print" (as you Americans so curiously
describe it -- surely you don't think they *print* them?? Just kidding) for
the time in between pressing new batches.  This happened here in Australia
with the Cure and New Order, both of whose old albums were unavailable on
CD for about a year and suddenly reappeared.  If there's money to be made,
be sure the record companies will try to make it.  Also, the gap can be prior
to re-releasing the album at a discount price, or another label releasing it.
Maybe you should post a want list on the net.

	Sorry to break it to you...but I can't get Ride's "Today Forever" EP
for exactly that reason!  Now, what's needed is a way to *make* a record
company press a new batch just for you...

		Matthew.
From: steiner@bakerst.rutgers.edu (Dave Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Objects of Fantasy (was Pink Floyd - When The Tigers Broke Free)
Date: 3 Oct 92 05:40:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
Cc: steiner

In article <BvH0un.JCx@acsu.buffalo.edu> v074n2p9@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (James C Parasole) writes:

> The song is also on Objects of Fantasy.  This is a collection of
> Pink Floyd songs performed by the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra.
> Roger Waters does the singing.  ...Tigers... also has a nice lead
> into Eclpise.  This cd is really hard to find but it can be ordered
> through most stores (thsy just don't always carry it because of the
> lack of demand).

This seems to have been re-released resently.  It had a different
title (I can't remember what is was offhand) but seems to have the
same songs and it's still on RCA.

ds
-- 

Dave Steiner
arpa: Steiner@BakerSt.Rutgers.Edu or Steiner@Rutgers.Edu
uucp: ...{backbone site}!rutgers!bakerst.rutgers.edu!steiner
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From: weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Adam J. Weitzman)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Welcome to the Pleasuredome by Frankie Goes to Hollywood
Keywords: Frankie, Hollywood, CD, Pleasuredome
Organization: Brandeis University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:59:04 GMT

In article <54171@dime.cs.umass.edu> kiniry@giane.cs.umass.edu (Joe Kiniry) writes:
>$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
>   I will pay good money for the CD _Welcome to the Pleasuredome_ by
>Frankie Goes to Hollywood.  I am looking for the _ORIGINAL_ version of 
>the CD distributed by Island Records ZTT.  
>
>This version can be identified with the following information:
>     1. The ID # for the CD starts with a 9, I believe.
>     2. On the song listing on the back of the CD song #2 is labeled
>        Welcome to the Pleasuredome (on the newer CDs that line is blank)
>     3. The CD has the long versions of Two Tribes.
>     4. The CD includes the entire segment repeating the words 
>        "Mine is the last voice you will ever hear, do not be alarmed." and 
>        "If you mother, or any other member of your family dies due to 
>        radiation, put them outside, but remember to tag them first for 
>        decomtamination purposes.".   This entire segement of voices is NOT 
>        on the new CD.  
>     5. There is NO voice overlay during the jungle sounds at the beginning of
>        the CD on the old version.

Oh, jeez, *another* issue of this CD? How many are there? Lazlo?

-- 
					- Adam J Weitzman
					  weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu
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