HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Subject: Lifting the Ban
Reply-To: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:18:13 GMT

I watched a bit of Nightline last night. I was quite impressed by Lt. Tracy
Thorne. The other idiot kept claiming that gays are congenitally promiscuous
and unstable. Of course, he never bothered to think of the effect on
relationship duration and personal stability that being unable to acknowledge
one's SO as such must have. How long would the generals' marriages have
lasted if they had not only not been allowed to legally marry, but weren't
even allowed to admit that they loved their spouse? If evidence of having had
sex (say, children or the word of a prostitute they visited while off-duty) was
sufficient to get them discharged?

I've already called Mr. Powell's office today (reminding his lackey that blacks
were accused of being promiscuous and over-sexed before Truman integrated the
armed forces), so I can't really call again to ask this question. Anyone have 
the phone/fax/email numbers for major news agencies that might be asking
questions of the military brass in the next two days?

Important phone numbers:
White House (202)456-1111
Gen. Powell's office (703)697-9121
Senate switchboard (202)224-3121

-jenneke

   Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully  -- Geoff Marcy
The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. - Alfred Kinsey
		jenneke is: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Soc.motss Reorganization - VOTING BEGINS!
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:17:54 GMT
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ

In article <C1I616.JL8@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.165125.19353@exu.ericsson.se> exukev@exu.ericsson.se (Kevin Autrey) writes:
>
>>From: jefu@jupiter.nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam)
>>
>>soc.motss - mostly because of historical tradition, also because
>>soc.gay wont appear to be women inclusive, and soc.lesbigay will
>>invite bi postings which belong for the most part in soc.bi.
>
>Do you mean "postings from bis," or "postings on specifically
>bi-related topics?"  If the former, I don't understand why you don't
>suggest that the women just take all their traffic to SAPPHO.
>
Actually, I hope it does both.

Ry
ry@usl.com
Hoping to get bi marketshare in motss/lesbigay/queer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: era@csn.org (Ed Arnold)
Subject: REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE
Originator: era@teal.csn.org
Keywords: Extremists, Christian Right, Amendment 2
Reply-To: era@csn.org (Ed Arnold)
Organization: Citizens Project; Colorado Springs, CO
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:47:30 GMT

We of the Citizens Project (Colorado Springs, CO) are looking for people
who could assist us in re-distributing the Citizens Project Newsletter
to non-Internet computer services.  If you have an account on any such
services (CompuServe, FidoNet, Genie, Prodigy, America Online, and others)
and are willing to help us, please let us know via return email to
era@ncar.ucar.edu.

The Citizens Project is a Colorado Springs, CO - based group of volunteers
who seek to prevent extremists from eliminating our fundamental freedoms,
in the face of growing political and religious intolerance in Colorado.
--
Ed Arnold * Boulder, CO * 303-497-1253(voice,weekday) * 303-494-6949(voice)
internet: era@csn.org * compuserve: internet:era@csn.org * bitnet: era@ncario
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From: gwh@soda.berkeley.edu (George William Herbert)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Clinton is President, Bush is not even history
Date: 27 Jan 1993 02:54:59 GMT
Organization: Dis-
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
Summary: Don't confuse issues...
Keywords: hope

In article <llr1psINNg59@news.bbn.com> rrizzo@star-trek.bbn.com (Ron Rizzo) writes:
>It's time to disarm the murderous citizenry and get rid of American neo-
>nazism:  
>	- urban drug gangs
>        - the National Rifle Association
>        - the Ku Klux Klan
>	- survivalists
>	- neo-Nazi groups from Aryan Nation to Unity Christians
>and to overwhelm ultra-conservatives, the political prelude to Nazism, and
>their TV evangelists, direct mail operations, think tanks, and antigay
>and sexist front organizations.
>Let's push them all into the political gutter!
>Regards,
>Ron

I'm sure the Gay NRA members in San Fransisco who were
giving shooting lessons to the gay community when 
Gay Bashing was a serious problem will appreciate
being lumped in with the KKK, Aryan Nation, and drug
gangs, Ron.  Are you quite sure you really want to
confuse political stances, sexual orientation, and
gun control/gun rights beliefs in a one-dimentional
description?

Even worse, do you REALLY want to start being exclusive
and "locking out" some groups which might not actually
have anything against liberals or gays?  And here I
thought that inclusive agendas and open mindedness
were the politics of the day...

Clues are cheap.  Get one before ignorance gets you.

-george

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bill_schwesig@law.uchicago.edu (Bill Schwesig)
Subject: Re: ST:TNG actors
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:05:49 GMT

In article <michaelh.727842970@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>,
michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane) wrote:
> 
> 
> i don't know that shatner singing "lucy in the sky with diamonds" or
> nimoy singing "proud mary" on the golden throats album can be
> adequately described in words.  simply amazing (in its own way).
> 
> --mike

Secret tip:  Nimoy sings so flat that his cover of "Put a little love in
your heart" actually sounds better at 45 rpm than at 33 rpm.    

Bill Schwesig, Reference Librarian         bill_schwesig@law.uchicago.edu
University of Chicago, D'Angelo Law Library        uclwas2@uchimvs.bitnet

       "Don't give me that 'intelligent life' crap!  
        Find me something I can blow up!" -- Dark Star
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gpb@gpb-mac (greg berryman )
Subject: Re: The Fall(well) of the U.S.
Organization: SPS
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:46:48 GMT

tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett) writes:
: In article <KMEYER.93Jan25124520@solarium.aero.org> kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer) writes:
: >I realize there was probably a smiley missing here, but if you try to
: >send a message to bill@oval.gov, it's never going to even get out on
: >the Internet.
: 
: I haven't tried it, but I am willing to bet that it at least gets as
: far as elroy from my gateway... I'll let you know :)
: 

I saw this earlier today:  75300.3115@compuserve.com

Greg.
--
My words, not Motorola's.   * ______ *
gpb@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com     * \ BI / * I will NOT ride in the back of the bus.
Greg Berryman (512)928-6014 *  \  /  *         SILENCE = DEATH
Motorola Austin, Texas, USA *   \/   *     First, be true to yourself.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Subject: Re: Domestic Parnters
Reply-To: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:52:13 GMT

In article <1k3rg6INN9h8@sumax.seattleu.edu> 
corto@sumax.seattleu.edu (Cort Odekirk) writes:
>   Can anyone E-mail me the actual text of a Domestic Partnership Ordinance?
>Here at SU I got in a heated debate with a fellow classmate as to whether or
>not these represented "Special Rights" for Gays.  He claimed the legislation
>gave benefits only to gay couples, and not to heterosexual couples.  I know
>he is wrong but not having the actual text of the ordiance it came down to a 
>his word vs mine situation.

Of course, motos couples can marry and motss couples can't. Marriage gives
a lot more in the sway of 'special' rights than any DP ordinance. If motss
couples could marry, the DP ordinances would be lots less necessary...

-jenneke

   Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully  -- Geoff Marcy
The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. - Alfred Kinsey
		jenneke is: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
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From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ca.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Gays in the military (was:Re: Book Review "The Homosexalities")
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:57:57 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <randall.728017145@seashore>, randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:
> The same arguments used against integrating the military back in 
> the 40's are being used today to keep homosexuals out of the
> military.   "Gays/blacks are oversexed and perverted", "they'll
> disrupt unity and harmony in the units", "Some people just can't
> stand being around people of THEIR kind", ... etc.   

Actually, the arguments are different.  The claim was that blacks
weren't good soldiers.  The reality, was that a lot of people were
scared spitless of blacks learning how to use a gun.  (Lynchings
are more difficult when the victims are returning fire.)

The real difference, is that being black isn't evidence of being
emotionally disturbed and damaged, as being a homosexual is.

> I find it interesting that Colin Powell is apparently against
> allowing homosexuals into the military.  That's interesting.
> If one Harry S. Truman didn't have the guts to integrate the
> military, General Powell wouldn't be in the position to have
> such an opinion.  The U.S. Armed Forces is perhaps the most
> racially integrated institution in the world, but only because
> Harry S. ignored the same arguments that are being used against
> gays today.
> 
> Randall Rhea                                        Informix Software, Inc. 

Which should tell you something -- that Colin Powell recognizes
the absurdity of the analogy you are trying to draw.


-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"When freedom destroys order, order will destroy freedom." -- Eric Hoffer
Not a goal, just a statement of reality.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: onr@netcom.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Subject: Re: Are Gay Men Richer, Really?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:57:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.200906.23519@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Stev Dyer) writes:
>In article <77557@apple.apple.COM> richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirel) writes:
>>Clay Bond taught me, albeit indirectly, that sometimes it pays to read
>>past what appears, on the surface, to be hateful and vulgar.

>Clay Bond was never vulgar, or stupid, for that matter.

Speaking of vulgar, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that you have the 
bottle to jump in. 

Just which was it that led to your expulsion of Clay from SPDCC steve?
The surface Clay? the depths of Clay?

>>Several
>>years ago I would have reacted very differently to Matthew's contributions.
>>He is not for everyone; but then, who _is_ on this forum?  There are gems
>>to be found amongst all that hard, black coal.

>With Melmon, what you see is what you get, mostly.  And that's spite
>without much intelligence or wit to make him worth reading.  Believe me,
>you're not doing him any favor by comparing him to Clay Bond.

Oh do wax eloquently in regards to our ..
dear....
lost ...
brother Clay..

Clay! Clay! where are you Clay.

you make me puke , you contemptable little shit.

I had almost forgotten how disgusting 
I find you.
Chalk it up to some more spite  Steve.

>>My only regret is that he seems to have difficulties with people I feel
>>genuine friendship towards.  But it is no different in my "real" (non-email)
>>life; there are people I simply do not mix together in social situations.
>>So?

>Yeah, well, be sure to keep this in mind if you're having an event
>the next time.  I can't imagine anyone being particularly interested
>in actually meeting Melmon unless he had a personality transplant first.


Keep this in mind Steve.

If your at an event and I'm around
I'm not  particularly interested in preetnding that
I care whether or not you get to  draw another breath.



Choke on your own spit idjit.


-- 
D. Owen Rowley onr@netcom.com ( also owen@autodesk.com )
[ EU-PHORIA: A STATE OF WELL BEING ]
Euphoria is my natural state, I do what I enjoy and an abundance 
of all good fortune comes to me for it.
From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Smoke in gay bars
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:00:21 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies) writes:

>Well, you'll have to clarify that. Which is the oxymoron?

Yes.

>horrid <> German?  horrid <> music?  German <> music?   horrid <> electronic?
>electronic <> music?
>Or are they *all* oxymoronic, as in "straight Gentile pianist"?

Yes.
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

"Sex is a filter, and it admits a certain vision."  - William S. Burroughs
From: cgross@informix.com (Cary Gross)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Initiatives Planned in Other States
Date: 23 Jan 93 15:03:37 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:



>_NEWSWEEK_ magazine has reported that anti-gay ballot initiatives are being
>organised in 11 states, namely: 

>MICHIGAN
>IDAHO
>OHIO
>WASHINGTON
>MONTANA 
>MINNESOTA
>CALIFORNIA
>MAINE
>GEORGIA.

Unfortunately, don't forget about Missouri.  We also have a new group here 
named ACT NOW that is trying to achieve the same thing at a local level as
well as trying to recall Mayor Emmanuel Cleaver.  The reason behind the 
recall is because he supports a Human Rights Commission that was created to
look into all aspects of discrimination.

Cary Gross
INFORMIX SOFTWARE
cgross@jupiter.informix.com
>   
>---
>RON BUCKMIRE
>Fundraising Committee for the Procurement of a mesh tank-top for LL Cool J
>11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735
>uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
From: pratt@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Last night on TV
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:49:58 GMT
Reply-To: pratt@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

Did anyone see and have a reaction to last night's "First Person with
Maria Shriver"? I think the title was something cheesy like "The Gay
Nineties" with a sensational subtitle. I only saw about the last half
and have random comments.

I know it's "just TV" but I I kept help be a bit annoyed and disappointed
by these programs. (Sorry about my typing.)m of these programs.

I was especially struck by the theme of "Churchiness" through several of the segmen
segments I saw. One the one hand, most of the battles are waged against the
authority of either the Church or a church. On the other hand, gay people
themselves are represented as seeking validation through the Church or a
church. I'm deeply dismayed by this -- it seems that we are only recreating
potential situations of oppression. In my opinion, and in this I am unanimous,
deliver me from Dignity, Integrity, Concerned Lutherans, MCC...

Gary D. Pratt
pratt@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tovah@panix.com (Tovah Hollander)
Subject: NYC Motss Dinner _This_ Saturday (1/23/93)
Summary: dinner with jt kittredge in nyc
Keywords: dinner, nyc, jt
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:39:35 GMT

JT (JonTom) Kittredge will be in NYC *this* Saturday, January 23rd,
and would love to get together with local motss folk.

With apologies for the extremely short notice (Mara! come back!!),
I'm trying to organize an ny.motss dinner:

	Saturday, January 23, 1993
	7:30 p.m.
	Sung Hai
	West and West 10th St.
	(1 block north of Christopher on West)

R.S.V.P. via e-mail (by Friday evening -- I have no way to read e-mail
on Saturday) or to (212) 241-0800 (again, by Friday) or (212) 316-9194
(any time, but try to call by Saturday noon).

Hope some of you can make it, despite the late notice.

(Apologies, also, for the wide distribution.)
-- 
Tovah Hollander
tovah@panix.com -or- tovah@onion.salad.mssm.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson)
Subject: Re: Is Dan Quayle a Twinkie?
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<mattm-120193101409@mcmelmon.apple.com>
	<1993Jan13.171246.15029@spdcc.com> <thaaang.727015640@cwis>
	<1993Jan19.034734.13790@bsu-ucs> <--210193180816@toe.engin.umich.edu>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:28:02 GMT

In article <--210193180816@toe.engin.umich.edu> - (-) writes:

   I know that this is totally politically incorrect ( especially
   sinse I didn't vote for Bush/Quayle), but I find Dan Qualyle to be
   a totally arousing stud of Biblical proportions!  I would love to
   get his Republican cock in my mouth  for one night.
   YUM>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 

Okay -, which one are you:  Akbar or Jeff?

--
Tim Wilson
Internet:  tim@ear-ache.mit.edu	
UUCP:  mit-eddie!mit-athena!tim
Bad Colorado.  No business.
From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:46:24
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In-reply-to: black@sybase.com's message of 19 Jan 93 19:38:49 GMT


kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer) writes:
>...The festival
>>costs $10, and anyone who can't afford admission because of low income
>>or unemployment can volunteer for 4 hours and get free admission.
>>PWAs, whether they are disabled or not, also get free admission 
>  ^^^^

On 19 Jan 93 19:38:49 GMT, black@sybase.com (Chris Black) said:
> Why not have such a policy for *all* people who are disabled or have
> serious illnesses?  If people with AIDS need these benefits, don't other
> people need them as well?

I don't know how I feel personally about this.  I can see the argument
going that AIDS is fundamentally different from other disabilities; there's
generally a greater stigma, greater financial burden, greater isolation,
etc. attached to it.  I mean, how many parents stop talking to their kids
because they became quadripeligics in a car accident?  How many amputees
get their health insurance canceled?

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: warner@churchill.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Rusty.Warner)
Subject: MOTSS Oriented Music
Organization: NCR Corp., Columbia SC
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 15:13:09 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: MOTSS-Oriented Music, Part II
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: NCR Corp., Columbia SC
Keywords: 

In article <1993Jan25.060407.10785@fuug.fi> an6245@anon.penet.fi (Nobody in particular...) writes:
>In my earlier post asking about MOTSS-oriented music, I didn't specify
>very clearly what I meant by "MOTSS-oriented."
>
>Specifically, what I'm looking for are songs which contain lyrics that are
>obviously MOTSS-oriented.  Songs by artists who are rumored to be gay,
>especially if that rumor is only in the "homosexual community" (I use 
>that phrase because I don't know of any other), are not really what
>I'm looking for.
>
>The examples I posted earlier ("Hideaway" and "Gimme, Gimme, Gimme") are
>good examples.  Elton John's "The Last Song" qualifies, though not as 
>well.
>
>Thanks again in advance.


Some other examples:

"Small Town Boy" - Bronski Beat (Deals with fag bashing; most people know it
   by the chorus "Run away, run away...")

"Perfect Kiss" - New Order (Chasing a friend who is still in the closet; "told
   him not to see his guilt, said let's go out and have some fun."

"True Faith" - New Order (Growing up and coming out; Lyric goes:
   "When I was a very small boy, very small boys talked to me; now that we've
   grown up together, they're afraid of what they see...")

"Lounge Act" - Nirvana ("I've got this friend, you see, and he makes me
   feel; and I want him more than I could steal..."  Not sure about this one,
   since the rest of the lyrics are hard to understand; can anyone verify the
   sexual orientation of the song or the band?)

"Rent" - Pet Shop Boys (All about love and excess; "I love you...You pay my
  rent...")

Not sure if "In the Navy" and "YMCA" by Village People meet your definition.

What about the old Kinks classic "Lola"?
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:13:42 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <C19ztq.KEq@athena.cs.uga.edu> wells@athena.cs.uga.edu (Scott Wells) writes:


>I am hurt and shocked by what I can see only as another example of
>Yankee Agression (tm) What don't y'all know that ice tea is (perhaps
>behind Coca-Cola) the prefered drink of the Magnolia League. 

>Quick get my fan!


Dahlin', dahlin', dahlin'...you simply _must_ go on bayack, now, and
watch thut copy of "Steel Magnolias" again.

"Honey, iced tea is the house wine of the South!".

Truer (Truvy-er? :-) words were never spoken.

A good Co-Cola, though, could run a close second -- maybe Coke's the
table wine of the South?

(And, sugar, at this time of ye-ah you know that what you want is
y'alls shawl for your shoulders and your'n afghan for your legs.)

--
=======================================================================
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 Internet:  mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com
 NBCS: B5 f t w g+ k s              I barely speak for myself, so
 #include <standard.disclaimer>       don't make me speak for HP
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From: kc2@doc.ic.ac.uk (K Campbell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Followup-To: soc.motss
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:42:35 -0000
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: oak49.doc.ic.ac.uk


In article <1993Jan21.160816.26950@osf.org>, 
coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
|> 
|> Well, as long as we're making pompous _ex cathedra_ statements about
|> matters of taste:-): I'm fond of both coffee and tea, at different
|> times for different purposes. However, the British treatment of tea is
|> very strange:
|> 
|> (1) take really good tea and brew it so strong that it
|> will put a permanent pucker in your tongue;
|> 
|> (2) since it is now undrinkable for bitterness, add a small quantity
|> of cold milk;
|> 
|> (3) since it is now undrinkable for appalling taste, pour it into the
|> nearest rhododendron.
|> 
Not _all_ Brits are inclined to so destroy their tea.  I, for one,
enjoy both tea and coffee, although which I drink is largely dependent
on the mood I'm in an the time of day it is.
I take my tea quite weak, without milk.  Also, I prefer to drink a
specific tea, e.g. Darjeeling, rather than the usual stuff that goes
into the so-called "Great British cuppa".
(And does anyone apart from myself like lapsang souchong?)
(forgive my possibly erroneous spelling)

-- 
        |   Kenny Campbell         ______     If at first you don't    |
        |   Imperial College       \    /     succeed, failure might   |
        |   London                  \  /      be your style.           |
        |   kc2@doc.ic.ac.uk         \/                 Quentin Crisp  |
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