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From: shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni)
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Subject: Re: This crap about 49ers winning cause of bad calls....
Date: 14 Dec 1992 19:25:13 GMT
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The Scarecrow (k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu) wrote:

> I just don't get it... How can a team go 12-2 and win all those by
> bad-officiating (sp?) ?  If you REALLY payed any attention to the
> game, you would have noticed that the questionable calls were going
> both ways.

Oh, don't you know? You poor simp!

Eddie DeBartolo has paid off the entire NFL Umpires Association in a
giant payola in order to ensure the Niners' march to the SuperBowl.
The Umps have even been told to make it more realistic by making the
occasional call against the Niners, but never enough to jeopardize
their progress.



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From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles win in OT
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:49:08 GMT
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Subject: Re: Eagles win in OT
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In article <1992Dec15.174930.27891@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
>In article <101903@netnews.upenn.edu>, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
! the Eagles scored over 400+ yards on offense.
>
>466-yards (190-rushing, 276-passing) to be exact.
>
! the Seahawks only over 100+
>
>87-yards (63-rushing, 24-passing) to be exact.
>
! However:
! 	Randall got sacked a record 10 times (yeah yeah he can read
! 	defenses... NOT!  every time the Hawks used the Blitz it was
! 	sack time).
>
>Typical Randall basher.  Hasn't got a clue.
>
>If Randall can't read defenses, how did he manage to throw for well
>over 3000-yards and 30-TDs in 1990?  How did he manage to be the
>NFL's top rated passer early in the season?  How did he throw for
>365-yards against a very good Seattle Seahawk defense?

C'mon Randall admits himself that he's no "pocket passer".  The offensive
gamplan back in 1990 was :

	a- look for the primary receiver and if he isn't open
	b- look for the go-to guy and if he isn't open
	c- scramble.

Fortunately, their go to guy in 1990 was one Keith Jackson who has the
ability to get open quickly.  Most of those 365 yards against the Seahawks
were short passes to Sherman or Byars which were turned into major gains.
The only deep passes which I recalled was the 52 yarder to Barnett.

>
>
>
! Overtime!  Neither offense could get anything done.  Every time the Eagles
! O threatened, they were denied by Cortez, Porter and Co.  With less than
! 2 minutes left in overtime, Keith Byars makes what would
! have been a busted play into a gain to the Seahawks 30 yard.
>
>A busted play?  If you're going to report on the Eagles games try
>to become a little more familiar with their gameplans.  On some
>pass patterns with Byars at TE he remains on the line to block.  If
>protection breaks down, Byars releases to the middle of the field as
>a safety valve for Randall to unload the ball. 

Fine, Randall has Byars to throw to about 4 yards downfield.
How often does a TE turn such a shovel pass into a gain of 21 yards?
Don't tell me that this was in Kotite' game plan. Byars MADE that play
happen just as he did earlier when he took a similar pass and turned it into
a gain of 30 or 40 yards.

>
! Man, if those Hawks only had some sort of an offense, they'd be incredible!
>
>To me it looks like all they need is a quality QB.

>
>
>E-A-G-L-E-S
>
>Joe Dakes
>AT&T Microelectronics
>555 Union Boulevard
>Allentown, PA  18103
>alux1!jmd

Now what's the deal with Joyner??  All I hear in the local news is "the
Joyner controversy" and no one seems to go into details.


satish nair
bitter and twisted giants fan
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:00:07 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
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From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Monday Night
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:10:34 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <Bz2MB4.1pz@acsu.buffalo.edu>
v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Chester H Zeshonski) writes:

> It was mentioned Monday Night that Curtis Duncan of the Houston Oilers was 
> closing in on the season record for most receptions without a TD.  The record
> given was (I believe) 72.  Now, I remember that Al Toon certainly lead the Jets
> with 74 catches last season, and certainly did not score a regular season TD
> (though he did score one in the playoffs against Houston in the Astrodome.)
> 
> So, can someone set this straight?
> 
> 					---Me

Well, Chet you're right on the money about Toon and I do remember the
announcers mentioning that Duncan was approaching the record...I don't
recall what the number was for catches, but if it was 72, then they
were obviously mistaken.  Perhaps they meant Duncan had 72 catches so
far?

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>- It aint Jay. They probably would have done better this year with 
>  Jay throughout.   

No.  The game monday was a perfect example of Jay's abilities.  Lock onto
a receiver, fling the ball up, watch it get picked because the pass was
telegraphed.  Or watch it go high...or short...or left...or right.  Jay has
a good arm but reminds me a lot of a pitcher named Burba for the Giants in
that he has no control.  The 'Scud' nickname is well earned.

>- They can pick up Boomer or Montana or some near ender if they want
>  (they wont) but it wont matter until they bring their offense into
>  the 90s. They have incredible talent, a good line but probably the 
>  most uninnovative playbook in the league. Icing Robiske and elevating
>  Walsh to O-coordinator helped alot. They became predictable only 50%
>  of the time. There are offenses with far less talent and good 
>  coaching doing much better.

I don't agree.  With good WRs (Brown, Gault) a decent TE (Horton) and some
RBs that can catch passes (S. Smith, Allen) the team could win with a good
QB.  Someone like Montana or Boomer is going to complete > 50% of the passes.
Jay can't.  I do agree that I'd like to see more screen passes, draws, slant
patterns etc.

>- I used to be an Al Davis believer but I think senility is setting in.
>  The treatment of Marcus (still their best offensive weapon) is 
>  sickening. I'd love to see Marcus play for someone else and accel
>  (cant believe I'm saying this). I also expect Marcus to be a 
>  coach someday.

I agree 100%.  Davis has lost it.

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From: Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu>
Subject: Re: A BIG SORRY ..... It was a system erro
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:54:42 GMT

In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.61.0@QM.cis.YALE.EDU> ALN - Go Giants!,
Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU writes:
>Your net.perception is a little off.
>You are assuming that everyone is on a sun or unix platform.
>
>WRONG.
>
>Of the 4 nnr's I use on regular DOS/WINDOWS/and MACOS platforms, 3 do
not 
>allow you to cancel a post once you've pressed the "transmit" key.
>
>all nnr's were not created equal.

Si senor,
	and my news reader (on a Mac) loads info on the entire thread so I have
to look at that stupid thing everytime someone posts some immature flame
of this guy.  I hated it too, but start some new thread to flame the guy
(like this one) and for people to say it wasn't his fault (like this one)
and every once in a while he could make a guest appearance to apologize,
of course he would get flamed so his admin would make occasional
appearances to explain that it was a software error or something, and on,
and on...

FRANK- let's get back to football-BILOTTI

__________________________________________
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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Elway Status
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:16:26 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

What exactly is the nature of Elway's injury?  I saw the hit that he
took and it didn't look that severe yet it hasn't played a down since.
In the morning game that week Warren Moon was hammered three or four
times with hits that look much more damaging yet he finished the game.
If fact I think I heard that he finished the game with a fractured arm.

Speaking of playing with guts...

Ronnie Lotts performance last weekend was incredible.  It was almost sad
to watch him playing his heart out, making bone jarring tackles on almost
every play, only to lose in defeat.  
 
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:50:08 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
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Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:56:16 GMT
Subject: Re: WASHINGTON SUCKS SHIT!!!
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

Dallas is the better team.  Nuf said.  Someone get the zebras some seeing
eye dogs.  Skins are damn lucky this day.  Won't be the same story in the
playoffs.

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From: doan@aslslc07.asl.dl.nec.com (Duc Doan)
Subject: Re: BEST team wins Re: Dallas vs Skins
Keywords: Dallas, Washington, San Francisco, GB, Minnesota
Organization: NEC America, Inc Irving TX
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:27:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.165345.15155@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.155010.839@asl.dl.nec.com> nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix) writes:
>>Fact: Dallas dominated Washington at Dallas.
>>Fact: Dallas outplayed Washington at RFK, Washington wins because of great
>>      defensive efforts and bonehead Dallas plays
>Fact? didn't see it? Do they publish any "outplaying scores" in the 
>newspaper today?
>
>I only saw the 2nd half. I saw the Skins outplaying the Boys, outscoring 
>them 13-0, having a 3-0 edge in turnovers, having a couple long 
>drives that resulted in only 2 FGs.  Had it not been an "overrated" 
>quarterback, it could have been a 21-0 advantage, Skins, 17-0 at the 
>worst.

I agreed! Rypien is surely an overated quarterback. Fire with fire...if you 
catch my drip.

>
>As far as the 1st half is concerned, the Boys were lucky that they
>scored the TD with 9 seconds left, when Silly Wilbur gave them a
>2nd chance.

How do you manage to have this silly observation if you only watch the 
second half? Don't use your finger when your brain is emotional...
>
>Could have been, should have been, the final score should have been:
>
>    Washington 24 Dallas 13

How's about :
     <any team> 666 Dallas 0
This is what Boys hater want no matter whoever play them and no matter what is
the REAl outcome of the game is.
>
>-- 
>                                          Edward Lor
>                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
>                                          


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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 07:10:12 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:20:09 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
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Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
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From: tolsen@encore.com (Ted Olsen)
Subject: Re: Cost of Season Tickets?
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:23:51 GMT

brianm@nachos.EBay.Sun.COM (Brian Mackin) writes:

>A 49er season ticket costs $35.75/game x 10 games = $357.50, regardless of where
>you sit (excluding luxury boxes).

Damn..  I thought Dolphin ticket prices were bad!  When Joe Robbie
opened up 5 years ago all tickets other then skyboxes and club seats
were $26.00/game.  Two years or so ago they dropped prices a couple
dollars on end zone seats and raised tickets a couple dollars on
some side line seats.  Club seats go for between $60.00 and $120.00/
game depending on location.  

Ted
From: v066pwk9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (BRUCE YAEGER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Hey Ed Lor, Bills 4-0 vs NFC, one more NFC team to beat
Date: 21 Dec 92 03:36:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Well, I think this is perhaps the biggest win of the season
for the Bills because they showed the nation what type of
team they were.  I think the Saints have a LOT more respect
for the Bills now.  This game down to which defense was
better, and the Bills showed that they were the better
defense especially when they were playing without their
3 best defensive players (Shane Conlan, Bruce Smith, and
Corneilius Bennet).

The Saints only had 48 yards rushing for the game compared
to the 180 yards the Bills had.  Sure the Bills were a little
lucky getting the fumble a the end of the game but CHAMPIONS
find ways to win.  I think the Bills defense knows how to
play against a dump truck offense (like the Chiefs and Giants)
now mainly because they have the personnel to stop it.

I think the Bills also out classed the Saints, the wide
receiver throwing the ball at Odomes feet, and the taunting
of Ironhead after a big run.  Also Dunbar's statements before
the game about which defense was going to be the only defense
on the field.  If there is one thing that any NFL team in
this league shouldn't do is to say they are going to "do this
to the Bills" and "do that to the Bills."  The Bills thrive
on this stuff. 

I think this win along with the win in San Francisco says
a lot about the Bills this year.  They may not win the easy
ones but they win the tough ones when it counts.  I hope
Miami losses to the Jets, but if they don't I'm sure the
Bills will do what they have to.

It looks like my prediction about the Bills playing
San Diego and Pittsburgh in the Championship game is
becoming more of a reality.  I don't believe in the
Chargers, they haven't beaten anybody good yet.

Bruce, a Bills fan.
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