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From: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed)
Subject: Re: Questions
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date:  1 Sep 92 13:40:02 GMT

Robert.Turner@brunel.ac.uk (Robert Turner) writes:

>3) What happens to Beldin and Vella?

they fly off and live happily ever after ? :)

>5) What sex are Polgaras' children?

Both girls.

darren
From: lchang@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Sorcery
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:26:12 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services


Okay, this has been buggin me for a while...

At one point in the Mallorean (Demon Lord, I think), the party runs
across this grolim who helped raise Nahaz and told these Karandese women
to mate with him, right? Well, anyway, Polgara makes it so no one will
ever believe anything he says. How? It's stated that one must know exactly
how something works before changing it (with sorcery), so how could one
possibly know how to make someone unbelievable? And I seriously doubt she
could forsee any person he might meet in the future and implant the notion
of disbelief in his/her head.

Sonya
lchang@uoft02.utoledo.edu
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Subject: Re: Sorcery
From: S961246@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 04:10:10 GMT
Organization: UM ST. LOUIS

In article <1992Aug26.122612.9707@uoft02.utoledo.edu>
lchang@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
 
>
>Okay, this has been buggin me for a while...
>
>At one point in the Mallorean (Demon Lord, I think), the party runs
>across this grolim who helped raise Nahaz and told these Karandese women
>to mate with him, right? Well, anyway, Polgara makes it so no one will
>ever believe anything he says. How? It's stated that one must know exactly
>how something works before changing it (with sorcery), so how could one
>possibly know how to make someone unbelievable? And I seriously doubt she
>could forsee any person he might meet in the future and implant the notion
>of disbelief in his/her head.
>
>Sonya
>lchang@uoft02.utoledo.edu
>
If I remember correctly, didn't Belgarath at one point in the series make a sta
tment to the effect of Sorcery only being effective at the time it is used, but
 that the effect lingers as long as the sorceror (or sorceress) is alive ?
 Case in point: when Zandramas set the confusion spell on the Mrin Codex which
functioned until broken.
 
         Just a thought on the matter..... Keith
 
 
      " Spin my nipple-nuts and send me to Alaska. " - Kryten
                                                    ( Red Dwarf )
From: D.G.Mcreavy@newcastle.ac.uk (D.G. Mcreavy)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: COVINGTON CROSS
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:16:29 GMT
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.



The questions about the quality of COVINGTON CROSS are not:-
	Is it historically accurate?
	
	It is about as accurate as Norman Schwarzkopf wearing
	Henry VIII's armour.

or:-
	Is it funny?

	I almost died laughing.

but:-

	Is it intentionally funny?      Is it meant to be a historically
	faithful account of everyday medieval life that went horribly,
	hilariously wrong, or is it a deliberate send up of the genre,
	as SOAP sent up the soap operas?

	There is abundant evidence for both views but I plump for the 
	former: it is a serious work that went wrong. Why else would 
	this American production have a cast that is all British except
	for Iona Skye, who plays the daughter?

I await feedback.

Dominic McReavy

////////////Its wonderful the works of a wheelbarrow\\\\\\\\\\\\
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\especially the thing that goes round/////////////
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Subject: Re: Authors Other Than Eddings: The Thread that WOULD NOT DIE!
From: chbaumga@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Chris Baumgartner)
Date: 3 Sep 92 08:12:41 EST

sjsmith@cs.umd.edu (Stephen Joseph Smith) writes:
: chbaumga@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Chris Baumgartner) writes:
: >PS Try reading Tad Williams, Guy Gavriel Kay, or Robert Jordan for a change.
: 
: Guy Gavriel Kay's _The Darkest Road_ has now been re-issued, completing the
: Fionavar Tapestry (_The Summer Tree_, _The Wandering Fire_ [?]).  Buy it.
: Read it.  Let it become a part of your life.
: 
: Robert Jordan remains excellent.  His three books in the Wheel of Time 
: series (_The Eye of the World_, _The Great Hunt_, and _The Dragon Reborn_)
: are excellent and the series is far from over (what say you, patrons of the
: net?  Think he'll go to five books? six? four [no way]?)
: 
: - Stephen

BTW does anyone know when _The_Dragon_Reborn_ is due out in paperback? I've
seen it in hardback once, but not yet in paper. Thanks.

--
 Chris Baumgartner                              chbaumga@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu
                 Member: League For Programming Freedom
         Why I'm in Computer Science & Engineering, Reason #5:
          I thought CSE stood for "College of Sex Education"
From: sjsmith@cs.umd.edu (Stephen Joseph Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Authors Other Than Eddings: The Thread that WOULD NOT DIE!
Summary: was Re: The Sapphire Rose (No Spoilers)
Date: 3 Sep 92 04:10:15 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Maryland at College Park

chbaumga@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Chris Baumgartner) writes:
>PS Try reading Tad Williams, Guy Gavriel Kay, or Robert Jordan for a change.

Guy Gavriel Kay's _The Darkest Road_ has now been re-issued, completing the
Fionavar Tapestry (_The Summer Tree_, _The Wandering Fire_ [?]).  Buy it.
Read it.  Let it become a part of your life.

Robert Jordan remains excellent.  His three books in the Wheel of Time 
series (_The Eye of the World_, _The Great Hunt_, and _The Dragon Reborn_)
are excellent and the series is far from over (what say you, patrons of the
net?  Think he'll go to five books? six? four [no way]?)

- Stephen
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From: stud5s32@bnr.ca (Paul Smelters)
Subject: Re: Sorcery
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:58:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.122612.9707@uoft02.utoledo.edu> lchang@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>
>Okay, this has been buggin me for a while...
>
>At one point in the Mallorean (Demon Lord, I think), the party runs
>across this grolim who helped raise Nahaz and told these Karandese women
>to mate with him, right? Well, anyway, Polgara makes it so no one will
>ever believe anything he says. How? It's stated that one must know exactly
>how something works before changing it (with sorcery), so how could one
>possibly know how to make someone unbelievable? And I seriously doubt she
>could forsee any person he might meet in the future and implant the notion
>of disbelief in his/her head.

In Magician's Gambit (I think) Garion cures this crazed monk by sorcery
and when Belgarath later mentions it, he says that Garion did it without
even thinking about it.  I think that you don't need to know exactly
how it works, but if you do, it might save lots of trouble in the end
(Like when Garion started those storms on the plains of Vo Mimbre).

Ash
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From: phil@ecr.mu.oz.au (Squidgy)
Subject: Re: Sorcery
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 03:57:51 GMT

In article <wedHFZi00VokQ3LUUY@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Jeffrey E. Byrne" <jbcj+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> > It wasn't Zandramas that set the confusion spell. The person that did set it
> > was never actually mentioned, but Zandramas only became powerful after Torak
> > died and the compulsion was put on when the codex was written. Does anyone
> > have any ideas as to who _did_ put that compulsion on the codex?
> 
> 
> 	In response to "Squidgy@ecr.mu.oz.au", I don't believe that either
> Urvon or the Dark prophecy put the compulsion on the Mrin Codex.  It
> must have been the other prophecy,the Light Prephecy, who put the
> compulsion there so that no one other than Garion would be able to look
> at the contents contained therein.   It was the prophecy who came to
> Garion in his Library and told him that there was a much faster way to
> look through all of the prophecies, and that way was to look at them in
> the light of the Orb.  Also, the prophecy told Garion that it was he who
> "possessed" the Mrin Prophet and "told" him what to write down.  (I
> can't remember the exact place, but it is in the early books in the
> Mallorean)  Therefore, because of what had happened in all the other
> confrontations, the Light Prophecy knew that the child of light would
> have control over the orb at the time of the meeting, so therefore, he
> must have known that only the child of light would be able to read the
> Mrin Codex, so he left a hidden message that only the child of light
> could read.  Therefore, the light prophecy left the compulsion there so
> that only the Holder of the Orb (in this case Garion), could read the
> special instruction meant solely for him.
> 
> 							
> 						Jeffrey Byrne

I hadn't thought of that, but would the Light Prophecy have made Belgarath
react so violently when Garion tried to show him what was "behind" the blot?

Have a nice day,
		Phil.
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From: avatar@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Shayne Macfarlane)
Subject: Re: Hardback Belgariad?
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 05:34:34 GMT

Sarah Skovronsky <sparky@halcyon.com> writes:

>Is there a hardback version of the Belgariad?  I've heard that it's only
>possible to get it in the UK.  I'd be willing to pay postage and price, etc.,
>if I could get these books. 

>Sarah Skovronsky
>Please email sparky@halcyon.com...thanks.


I dont know how this will work elsewhere, but a bookstore here in
	Perth is expecting to get a new print of the hardcovers on
	the Belgariad sometime in the next three months. 
I presume that he is getting these from somewhere in America, but I have
	no details on this.
Ask your local bookstore for any information. They might know.

Shayne

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From: tyger@netcom.com (Kitty in the Middle)
Subject: Re: The Sapphire Rose (No Spoilers)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 21:40:34 GMT
Organization:  I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, you can't prove anything!

In article <1992Sep2.152804.9806@uoft02.utoledo.edu> chbaumga@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Chris Baumgartner) writes:
>
>PS Try reading Tad Williams, Guy Gavriel Kay, or Robert Jordan for a change.
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Definitely Tad Williams! I just finished with Tailchaser's Song for the second
time, and I *loved* it! It is somewhat like Watership Down, but IMHO better
written. It also deal with cats...which are much nicer than bunnies...;)

> Chris Baumgartner                           chbaumga@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu

   Tyger
-- 
      Kristen Kohlbecker    And I would choose to be with you
      tyger@netcom.com      That's if the choice were mine to make   
                            But you can make decisions too
      A Tyger and a Lady    And you can have this heart to break
From: fj@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Fiona Jamieson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: The Tamuli?
Date: 30 Aug 92 14:40:13 GMT
Organization: University of Edinburgh, Scotland
In-reply-to: sparky@halcyon.com's message of 29 Aug 92 00:10:21 GMT

In article <yVo9PB5w165w@halcyon.com> sparky@halcyon.com (Sarah Skovronsky) writes:

   I just finished the Elenium, and on the last page of The Sapphire Rose is
   a notice:  "Here ends The Sapphire Rose, thus concluding the tale of The
   Elenium--but not the adventures of Sparhawk and his companions.  Watch for
   further danger and magic in The Tamuli, a new seried by David Eddings,
   forthcoming from Del Rey books."

   Wow!  So, does anyone know anything about this NEW series? 

Well, it is out in the UK - "Domes of Fire", the first book in the
Tamuli is in hardback, set about 4 years or so after the end of the
Elenium (Danae is about 6). Various dead folk heroes are re-incarnated
and creating general havoc in several places in the world, so
Sparhawk, Ehlana and the usual crew (Tynian,Ulath,Bevier,Talen etc.
etc) end up going to the Tamul Empire to calm things down.

I never thought that I would say this about a David Eddings book, but
I really had to make the effort to finish the book - and I really
enjoyed hte Elenium. It's a bit drawn out and is in the style of the
Epilogue to the Sapphire Rose. Oh - and the first section of chapter 1
is taken verbatim from the start of the Diamond Throne, as Sparhawk
enters Cimmura. Nothing like a good bit of recycling !

Hope it get to the rest of the world soon,

Fiona
From: fj@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Fiona Jamieson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: The Tamuli?
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:04:43 GMT
Organization: University of Edinburgh, Scotland
In-reply-to: U60145@uicvm.uic.edu's message of 2 Sep 92 01:21:42 GMT

In article <92245.202142U60145@uicvm.uic.edu> U60145@uicvm.uic.edu writes:

   Does anyone know of a place in the UK where you can order the first book
   and have it shipped over here to the states?  Thanks much.

   Grant

You could try James Thin in Edinburgh, tel +44 31 556 6743. They have
an overseas account service, so they should be able to take a credit
card number and ship the book wherever you want.

Note : the only contact I have with Thins is that I've got an account,
and they're a very good bookshop. 

Fiona
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From: stud5s32@bnr.ca (Paul Smelters)
Subject: Re: Dryad progeny
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:24:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.004716.5300@kpc.com> mja@gold.KPC.Com (Michael Abbott) writes:
>How about this:  Dryad progeny are always female and 100% dryad, except in
>the one instance between C'nedra and Garion in which the Prophecy overrode
>that and forced the male Rivan heir who had to be abducted as one of the
>conditions of the final meeting.
>
>Or maybe:  Dryad progeny are always female and 100% dryad, except in the one
>instance between C'nedra and Garion in which the Orb of Aldur overrode that
>and forced a male Rivan heir because the first-born child of the King of Riva
>(and keeper of the Orb) is always male (it says that somewhere I think).
>--
>Michael J. Abbott		mja@kpc.com
>Kubota Pacific Computer Inc.	Santa Clara, CA		408-987-3303

If dryad progeny were always female, then wouldn't the Bourne dynasty
have died out many milennia ago?

Just my $.02

Ash
From: Robert.Turner@brunel.ac.uk (Robert Turner)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Dryad progeny
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:59:57 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK

wardw@CS.ColoState.EDU (william bradley ward) writes:=
%In one of the books, Polgara relates that the Dryad line always breeds true
%on the female side.  there are no male Dryads.  The female dryads kidnap
%healthy young males for mating (and fun!) purposes.


Nobody has given the answer that I believe to be true. There are no male
dryads _by definition_. A daughter of a dryad and human is a dryad, but
a son of the same match is human _by definition_. This son might have an
affinity for growing things, but IS NOT a dryad.

Hokay, this may cause a few flames, and dryads may well have some
magical method of influencing the sex of their babbies, but personally I
think that the above is plausible, at least.

Rob

(Who is not about to become a father)

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Subject: Re: Sorcery
From: gajensen@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:37:00 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <9224713.8252@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, phil@ecr.mu.oz.au (Squidgy) writes:
> In article <wedHFZi00VokQ3LUUY@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Jeffrey E. Byrne" <jbcj+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>> 	In response to "Squidgy@ecr.mu.oz.au", I don't believe that either
>> Urvon or the Dark prophecy 
>> [stuff that I agree with about who set up the compulsion not to read the
>> passage in question]
>> special instruction meant solely for him.
>> 
>> 							
>> 						Jeffrey Byrne
> 
> I hadn't thought of that, but would the Light Prophecy have made Belgarath
> react so violently when Garion tried to show him what was "behind" the blot?
> 
> Have a nice day,
> 		Phil.

I think so, because if Belgarath couild read it without having too many
problems, than so could any other sorcerer. Remember, in this case it really
wouldn't matter how powerful Belgarath was, or even the fact that he was the
first disciple of Ladur, he _still_ wasn't the chilf light, and had never, (to
my knowledge), been the child of light. Therefore, he would be just as
violently opposed to reading the passage as any other person.

Just my two cents.

Greg
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From: wljohnso@nyx.cs.du.edu (William "Wes" Johnson)
Subject: Re: The Tamuli?
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Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 06:23:51 GMT


Last I heard from people who have some knowledge of release dates for
books are saying it aught to be out by Christmas...just in the for the
Saphire Rose to be released in paper back...Amazing hwo these deadline
scheduals work..

As for Eddings being prolofic  and effecting his writing...most
definitely.  As much as I love his stuff, the "Seeress of Kell" though
good was very very sloppy.  Of course the Saphire Rose made up for that!
 
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"Gener Fox" "Mr. Kamikazi" "Mr DNA" "Boojie Boy" 
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From: phil@ecr.mu.oz.au (Squidgy)
Subject: Re: Sorcery
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:10:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.201537.22813@hippo.ru.ac.za>, g92k4260@ru.ac.za (Bryan Kilian) writes:
> S961246@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU wrote:
> > If I remember correctly, didn't Belgarath at one point in the series make a sta
> > tment to the effect of Sorcery only being effective at the time it is used, but
> >  that the effect lingers as long as the sorceror (or sorceress) is alive ?
> >  Case in point: when Zandramas set the confusion spell on the Mrin Codex which
> > functioned until broken.
> 
> It wasn't Zandramas that set the confusion spell. The person that did set it
> was never actually mentioned, but Zandramas only became powerful after Torak
> died and the compulsion was put on when the codex was written. Does anyone
> have any ideas as to who _did_ put that compulsion on the codex?
> 

Considering that whoever did it has existed from when the original Codex was written, up
until after Torak`s death. I think it would have to either Urvon (though probably not 
very likely), or the Dark Prophecy itself.


Have a nice day,
		Phil.
From: hosch2263@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: COVINGTON CROSS
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:18:02 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

        Covington Cross.  It won't last long, so enjoy it while it's here.

        My fiancee and I watched it, and thought it was very entertaining.  The
opening combat sequence was good, and we like the humor in the show.  Now if
you wnat to be picky, it's not historically accurate, but then, it's not
intended for a documentary.  
        As to it's not surviving, the fact is it's TOO different for most
people.  However, lovers of fantasy will enjoy the show if they don't pick it
apart.

                Kitten.
                (Broadcasting Major
                University of Northern Iowa.)
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 1 Sep 1992 20:21:42 CDT
From: <U60145@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: The Tamuli?

Does anyone know of a place in the UK where you can order the first book
and have it shipped over here to the states?  Thanks much.

Grant
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From: 2120158@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: Questions
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 04:39:30 GMT

In article <Btw2Cv.u2@brunel.ac.uk> Robert.Turner@brunel.ac.uk (Robert Turner) writes:
>Hokay, have just finished the Seeress, after re-reading all nine other
>books immediately before, and have a few simple questions....
>
>1) What is on Belgareths' Amulet?  Polgara has an owl (I believe),
>Ce'Nedra a tree, Belgarion the orb and Durnik a hammer, but I can't find
>anywhere any comments about Belgareths' design. I assume that it must be
>a wolf, but no confirmation anywhere in the book.

  If I remember correctly, in one of the first books(when Garion first gets
his medallion) that Garion, Polgara and Belgarath join hands and something
happens (I think that they were in a Tolnedran hostel-maybe??)--but back to the
point, you see Belgaraths medallion. It is a wolf (standing, sitting ?-I can't
remember.)
>
>2) Why is Durnik not re-named Beldurnik after he becomes recognised as a
>disciple of Aldur?

  If you remember that between themselves they call each other their "natural"
names (ie Belgarion is forever being called Garion), and that they only use
their "formal" name when in a lot of publicity (ie in cities or the courts of
kings), and as they were never in city (at least with us) I really can't tell
what they called Beldurnik.
>
>3) What happens to Beldin and Vella?

  Happily ever after??? :-) :-) :-)
>
>4) Why are the twins not in the Mallorean at all?

  no idea. good point.
>
>5) What sex are Polgaras' children?

  Now that would be spoilling all the surprise if we found out now, wait for the
next series.
>
>If anyone can answer these questions that are niggling at the back of my
>mind I would be most appreciative.
>
>Rob
>
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