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From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Subject: Re: President at Superman's Funeral
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:55:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.163338.13745@csc.ti.com> a905576@tiuk.ti.com writes:
>In article 19269@netcom.com, dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>>I thought comics had to be done two or three months ahead of their
>>distribution date in order to get into the pipeline in time, but
>>Clinton was at Superman's funeral six weeks after the election.
>
>Damn, and I was hoping that Tommy O'Neil would get elected in the
>DC Universe (check out the last issue of Hawk & Dove if you're confused).

I saw an AP wire story that quoted someone from DC who admitted that they
were gambling Clinton was going to be President. Hmmm, wonder how many 
of the DC execs voted for Clinton? Probably a lot more than the overall 
43% nationwide!
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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: Action Comics 686 (clones)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 01:52:22 GMT

In article <mumble> cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  ) writes:

>In case people missed my post on the weekend, Superman WILL NOT be
>coming back as a clone in any form. This was reported on CNN on the
>weekend with the source being an editor at DC comics. He definately will
>not becoming back as four clones, or clones in any way, shape, form, or
>manner. The DC spokesperson wanted to set the record straight because of
>the wild specualtion on his return.
>
>He IS still coming back in April, though. Speculation as to how is
>welcome, but no clones allowed.  

So of course Entertainment Tonight carries a story tonight (Monday
11th) verifying the four clone theory, with Carlin as a source.  

The four clones won't be the 'ethnic clones' but they sound just as
bad: a warrior, a cyborg from outer space, a steelworker, and one more
I don't remember right now.

Sigh.

-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)                               /|
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From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Futuristic Pseudocussing
Date: Fri,  8 Jan 93 06:34:50 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Actually, the original word wasn't "shock."  

Originally, I had them saying "Shuck."  This worked, for me, on two levels.
To my mind, it was the combination of "Shit" and "Fuck."  By the same token,
"shucks" is such a harmless word today, I thought it would be funny if,
by 2099, it had undergone something of a renaissance and was back in
common usage.

The editor didn't like it, and we compromised on "shock," as in--I'm
surprised no one's mentioned it--"Future Shock."

PAD
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: Good Omens, Crisis, and Watchmen plot device
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:09:35 GMT

jrd@frame.com (James Drew) writes:

>"Lady Johanna Costantine" (tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) writes:

>>Don't you wonder if you live in the same world as the Hitchhiker's
>>Guide to the Galaxy?
>>
>>You think we would have noticed the earth being destroyed.....

>It's rumored that if wanyone ever figured out why the universe works the way
>it does, that everything would be destroyed and restart from scratch.  There
>are those who say this has already happened.  Did you notice?

>(I say it's happened twice.)

heh.....
I'd say.... 42?


aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!

here we go again.

LJC

-- 
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tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu   * endure when mere facts are dust, and ashes, and
Disclaimer - huh?       * forgot.      -Dream of the Endless (and Neil G.)
Church of Our Lady of the Perpetually Clueless, donations accepted......
From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Random thoughts on Supes.(Was RE: SUPERMAN : no new Life in sigh
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:20:46 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

dascoser@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (david serchay) writes:

}Geez, I'd been joking that Easter would be a great time for the 
}resurection issue, but I wasn't that serious.
}Ok guys, since we've had it up to here with Supes's death, which 
}character's death did you think was best. I always liked Karate Kid's in 
}LSH (V3) #4. With Brainwave's death in Infinity, Inc. # 10 in a close 
}second.

The number one best comics death by far has to be Ferro Lad's way
back in the Adventure run of Legion.  Now *there* was a truly
Earth-shattering disaster looming (the sun-eater) and a fitting
reason for a true hero to die.

--James Preston
From: lazarus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Marvel copies DC... again
Date: 8 Jan 1993 03:08:06 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
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jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle) writes:

>In article <1ib71cINNb4i@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, lazarus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu writes...
>>jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle) writes:
>> 
>>Marvel is CONTINUOUSLY introducing new chracters (as is DC), and not just
>>in the annuals.  Speaking of annuals, current faves like Speedball, Psylocke
>>(First US appearance), the New Warriors as a team... all were introduced
>>in Marvel's annuals in the past, only without much fanfare.

>	You miss my point. _ALL_ of 93's annuals will be introducing new
>DC characters. _ALL_ of 93's annuals will be introducing new Marvel 
>characters. Coincidence?

Probably not.  But I haven't heard all the evidence yet... who made the
announcement of their line-up of annuals first?  (I'm not baiting you, I
really don't know the answer to this question!  :)  )  My biggest bitch
about Marvel's annuals is their tendency to do crossovers.  Not originally,
however... I LOVED the X-Men/New Mutants' trip to Asgard... but trying to
fit them into Atlantis Attacks brought a whole new meaning to the word
"contrived".  I only complain when the writing suffers...   :P

>>>DC has success with the Hellblazer title. Marvel will be
>>>starting Hellstorm in February (it's about demons and magic in the Marvel
>>>universe. Very orginal.)
>> 
>>Oh... a new segment of the Spirits of Vengeance line.  I WONDERED when they
>>were going to bring him back.  Consider: just MAYBE they're playing this
>>all off the extreme popularity of Ghost Rider?  Nah, that's too difficult
>>a concept...  >:)

>	That's odd. The ads I saw for Hellstorm called it a cross between
>Midnight Sons and Vertigo. Not a hard concept at all. :-)

Haven't seen the ads yet, myself... I don't even READ the Spirits line,
unless a housemate's picked one up and I happen to be really bored.  ;)
Anyway, I must've misread your original post... I thought you'd said
HellstROm, as in Damon.  Does this have anything to do with him, or is
HellstORm something that I have NO knowledge of?

>>Epic was Marvel's "mature readers" line LONG before DC envisioned Vertigo,
>>and has already had it's fair share of "big names" (I don't think that Frank
>>Miller, Bill Sienkiewicz and the like are nobodys...). 


>	Joe Delisle

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:49:31 -0500 
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Jet Jaguar@castor (6089)

> Dani Zweig mentioned the laundromat issue by John Smith -- I actually liked
> this one.  It wasn't supposed to be a major deal; I think it was just supposed
to be kind of creepy and surreal, and it worked.

Me, too. I think mainly the reason that I liked the laundromat issue is
that John wasn't facing some great menace, like he does so often. It
helps make him seem a little more human. Not that his characterization
lacks humanity, just that someone who seems to defeat a cosmic menace or
so every few days is Not One Of Us.

-jim
jz1j@andrew.cmu.edu
From: mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LSH #40, Squires and pages....
Date: 4 Jan 1993 19:13:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Garfield makes constant appearances in LSH.  He's Tenzil Kem's
secret identity.
-- 
"What's wrong with him?" "What do you mean?" "Well, he's standing
in front of a mirror, talking and smirking to himself.  That's
one of the first symptoms of megalomania." - The Doctor
"Ipsa scientia potestas est." - Roger Bacon
From: yjc@po.cwru.edu (Jerome 'TofuSoft' Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Harvey does Ultraman (recommended!)
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Date: 5 Jan 1993 06:55:41 GMT
Organization: The Tofu Society of Singapore
Distribution: world
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In article <1ib245INNe66@uwm.edu>, manga@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Peter Michael
Betz) wrote:
> 
> In article <1993Jan3.031752.6391@julian.uwo.ca> larocqu@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (JOHN LAROCQUE) writes:
> >Ultraman kicks ass. Yes, Japan's number one superhero is invading North
> >America. I recently saw some toys of Ultraman on sale at the local drug
> >store. Way cool. This guy is 20 feet tall (just like the Avenger's Giant
> >Man) and kicks some serious Japanese monster ass!
> 
> I hate to bust yer bubble here, But Ultraman is quite the bit taller than
> 20 feet tall. 20 STORIES tall, maybe :)
> 
> Tiger-A

Get Alan Moore or Neil Gaiman to write UltraMan. And John Byrne to draw it.

Anyone know about UltraMan's History?! How many UltraPeople are there and
how many of them came to the Earth?

I remember some childhood chinese comics where there was an Ultraman Corps,
just like the Green Lanterns ...

---
The Evil Tofu
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From: kesidis@cheetah.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (George Kesidis)
Subject: Re: Vertigo Bomb
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:08:12 GMT

It's hard to deny that J. Thompson's art sucks. Sandman has
had some incredible artists (Keith, Jones, Vess) but maybe
DC thinks that this comic and the other Vertigo titles 
will sell on the strength of their writing alone, so the 
"star" pencillers are assigned elsewhere. I don't
think that this is a good way to go, however.
A well written comic like Sandman really deserves better 
pencillers.
-george, part-time drooling sandboy
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From: Greg Clow <ecurrent@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: DC: Color me Dark & Streets
X-To: JAMES DREW
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:58:00 GMT

jrd@frame.com (James Drew) writes:
>Greg Clow (ecurrent@zooid.guild.org) writes:
>
>>As for "Streets"... never heard of it.  What's the story?  Writer?  A
>
>Four-issue prestige format, I believe, about people working (and some 
>living) on the streets of San Francisco.  Written by James Hudnall (Alpha 
>Flight, ESPers/Interface, Strikefore:Morituri), art by I Forget (might be 
>Dan Brereton).  CBG listed it on indefinite hold about a month ago, I 
>think after it was announced in Direct Currents.

Hmmm.  This sounds vaugely familiar.  Could this perhaps be one of the 10 
or so titles that will be debuted by Vertigo in '93?


Greg


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From: root@alba.e-burg.su (Volkov Alexander Nikolaevich)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC: Hacker Files (was Re: MISC: I'm bored - gimme something to read)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 18:27:49 +0200
Distribution: world
Organization: Alba
Reply-To: root@alba.e-burg.su


Seems *really* art ( both writing and drawing ) always receive most
polar estimates. I like some interesting dinamical moves from panel
to panel ( Ex.: C-U-R-E ), but I don't like the draw style. My friends
(who are comic artists ) like  HF's characters and writing, but they
don't like colouration.
Everybody could to see some bad and some good in any new appearance.
It is not bad, anyway.
Although, you seen a lot comics, maybe HF's drawing isn't new style.

>From Russia with Best Wishes...
Alexander.

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From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Bill & Ted's Excellent Comic (was Da Big Slurp)
Organization: The Little Wyld Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:58:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.153521.20740@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) writes:
>I agree with Scowlin' Jim on this.  Bill & Ted was an EXCELLENT comic, and I 
>looked forward to searching all over town for the one copy shipped to Columbus 
>each month.  Unfortunately, it was sustained solely by Evan's genius, which 
>showed when they had a fill-in issue.  Since he couldn't devote to a monthly, 
>it got canned, which was too bad.  It was one of the better comics this year 
>and last.

I thought it got canned because the readership was really, really low. It's
in Ev's interview in the McFarlane issue of The Comics Journal.

The frightening thing about Bill & Ted is that it could have been a lot 
better. According to Dorkin, Marvel was really easy to work for and let 
him do pretty much whatever he wanted, within reason. The group that 
controls Bill & Ted were not so easygoing and vetoed a lot of his ideas.

It should be interesting to see what Evan's work on Mad Dog and Fightman
turn out like. 

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From: kens@bodwin.ifs.umich.edu (Ken Small)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Dave Sim and the Comics Journal
Date: 8 Jan 1993 00:35:55 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan, IFS Project
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I just read the lastest Cerebus, and I finally saw the letter from
Kim Thompson that was mentioned on the net here.  What's the big deal?
The only "sneering arrogance" I saw was that Dave couldn't accept that
someone out there doesn't like Sandman.

As far as the Journal itself, I was wondering: how many people around
here read it?  It's the only comics publication I can stand, but the
editorials, while  coming from a perspective I appreciate, seem far
too removed from reality these days.  I wish the Journal and
Fantagraphics were separate entities-- perhaps the gloom of being
responsible for such a marginal market share is the only thinh that
keeps Gary Groth from being a decent writer *about* comics.  I think
both Fantagraphics and the Journal are important, but they suffer by
being too closely related.
Ken Small           kens@umich.edu
"I used to be disgusted; now I try to be amused."
Consulting and Support Services, University of Michigan
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From: Sten M. Drescher <smd@hrt216.brooks.af.mil>
Subject: Re: Hulk: FUTURE IMPERFECT and PAD sneaking around
Organization: AL/HRTI, Brooks AFB
	<1993Jan1.200200.12408@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
	<1i2p27INNl2a@aludra.usc.edu>
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 04:14:03 GMT

On 2 Jan 93 00:53:27 GMT, rjung@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Jung) said:
>Er, my Crossroads issues of Hulk are spotty in coverage.  What face?

 Robert>   Sorry, mea culpa. I meant HULK #401, not 301. So I'm no
 Robert> numerologist.  B-)

 Robert>   As for the face, I was referring to the one Delphi generated
 Robert> in her pool.  The one that prompted Aggy to "take a break" as
 Robert> leader of the Pantheon.

	I think that image is a much better set-up than the previous one
(which wasn't indicitave of a long-term insanity).  Of course, since the
preview articles for FI were already out when IH #401 came out, I had
already recognized the face.
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From: rji@nyquist.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Death Miniseries and Sandman Mystery Theatre ... Questions ...
Date: 5 Jan 93 10:52:20 GMT
Organization: Communications Research Group

In article <SS.93Jan4135547@wpi.WPI.EDU>, ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
|> >>>>> On 4 Jan 93 18:44:17 GMT, firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith) said:
|> 
|> 
|> firestar> What exactly is Sandman Mystery Theatre, and how does it
|> firestar> differ from Sandman?  When does it come out?
|> 
|> This series is based on the old JSA Sandman.
|> 

More importantly it won't be written by Gaiman, I forget the name of
the actual writer though.

The Death miniseries starts at the end of january I believe.


			Rob.

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From: kens@psc.lsa.umich.edu (Ken Small)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Unnoficial Squiddiies Nominations
Date: 12 Jan 1993 21:38:10 GMT
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Sorry for the new subject-- my news is screwed and I lost the
original article.  I thought this was a good idea, especially since 
some of my votes didn't show up (or were marked wrong) on the
year-end summaries that appeared.
 
 2.  Favorite writer

Eddie Campbell
 
 4.  Favorite limited series, 12 or fewer issues

The Eyeball Kid
 
 5.  Favorite established continuing series

Eightball
 
 6.  Favorite new continuing series

The Heckler
 
 7.  Favorite within series (include name of story and comic)

Wig Wam Bam (from Love and Rockets)
 
 8.  Comeback Award for most improved book

Cerebus (especially after Melmoth and the somewhat awkward start to
Mothers and Daughters)
 
 9.  Favorite character

Herman Vermin
     
 10. Favorite team of characters

The Sinister Horde (from Sin)
 
 11. Favorite graphic novel

Maus II
 
 12. Favorite reprint volume

The Bradleys (newly reissued and expanded this year, this is one
*really funny* book, and the likely inspiration for The Simpsons)
 


--
Ken Small           kens@umich.edu
"I used to be disgusted; now I try to be amused."
Consulting and Support Services, University of Michigan
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From: sn@phoenix.oulu.fi (Sami Nieminen)
Subject: What is ACME??
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 10:51:24 GMT


   Yeah, the ACME co... I've seen it in lots of american comics and
it's been producing all kinds of weird stuff. But I'm curious to know,
where has the name come from and why it is so darned funny ?

---sn@phoenix.oulu.fi


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From: sasha@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (David A. Tumarkin)
Subject: Re: Happy Squid Appreciation Day -- the SQUIDDIES are here!
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 19:47:49 GMT

rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:

> In article <1993Jan4.034325.26807@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) wr
> >rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese):
> >>>)>10. Favorite team of characters
> >>>)Do the Endless qualify?  They have a collective name, powers, funny 
> >>>>costumes, and angst.
> >>>Surely the Endless are a family, not a team.
> >>Surely the Fantastic Four are a family, not a team.  ;-)
> >
> >The Fantastic Four aren't Endless; they just age very very slowly.
> 
> Any Tom DeFalco FF issue *is* Endless...

And pointless...
And plotless... 
And ...


                                        - Sasha

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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Nausicaa III
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:21:04 GMT

'Monthly'.  It says 'monthly' on the cover.  Of course, there's also a
picture of Nausicaa on the cover, although she never makes an appearance
inside.  Still, we can hope.

In this long-delayed issue, we get to see what the rest of the cast is
doing while Nausicaa is off in slime mold country.  The answer is "a lot".
The comic is 56 pages long, and a good bit denser than the earlier issues.
$3.95 is quite reasonable.

I would judge that readers who haven't read the first two parts of this
story *will* be able to follow this one -- but that if they're taken with
it they'll want to pick up the back issues in order to really understand
all that's going on.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   Aphorism is better than none.
From: morpheus@cco.caltech.edu (Kynn Bartlett)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Fantastic Four
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:59:22 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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How about:

(g) Fabian NotEvenGonnaTryToSpellIt, or

(h) Roger Stern,

two people who I think can turn out really good 'standard superhero
fare'.  (_New Warriors_ and _Starman_ respectively.)

				--Kynn
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