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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: old Her[4] and Christine
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 17:03:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.122929.3688@vax.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:

>	** Ha, here comes another one to criticize my logic.
>
>	   Taiwan is able to "recover" China while Lithuania can
>	   "only" run away from Soviet Union.

I think this statement belongs in rec.humor.funny.
>
>	   Lithuania has others to help (or to do the same) while
>	   TI can't even hold itself.

Huh?  Who helped Lithuania?
>
>	   Is your logic better than my? 

Since I've taken a number of logic classes, I'd have to say so.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean
From: shao@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SHAO CHUNG-SHANG)
Subject: Re: All you d*ckhead friend-betraying Koreans!!!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 05:35:47 GMT

In article <082622001@SFS.suny.edu> clist@SFS.suny.edu writes:
>
> There is a little difference between these two embassies.  
>ROC embassy in Seoul was originally given to Ching about 100 years ago, so
>PRC also can claim the ownership. ROK embassy in Taipei was puchased by ROK, 
>so DPRK has nothing to do with it.
>

that building was built by ching, but this was far before the birth of the
rok.  today, the building is belonging to the government of roc.  if rok
government ignores the right of roc government of owning the property in
korean (because the termination of the political relation).  roc government
can use the same logic and reason to take over the korean embassy in taipei.
ther is nothing to do with who built what.  it is the matter what is belonged
to whom.  two buildings are all the properties owned by two governments.
they are the same.

cs shao.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: mtl@cs.brown.edu 
Subject: Re: Look ! Stupid Taiwanese !!
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:47:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.104151.58524@cc.usu.edu>, slzw0@cc.usu.edu writes:
|> 
|> From: mtl@cs.brown.edu (Ming-Tsung Lu), Brown Computer Science Dept.
|> 
|> >We Taiwanese may be stupid, but we know how to spell plane. It's
|> >PLANE, not PLAIN.
|> >Don't worry, Dan doesn't spell very well either.
|> >Do you get that? !
|> 
|> 
|> Mr. Lu:
|> 
|>   Thank you so much for checking spell for me.
|>   I will hire you as a my spell chAcker.   :-)
|>                                   ^
|> 

Thanks! But I don't want to work for people like you.
From: thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Let go the embassy; let Taiwan be Taiwan.
Date: 23 Aug 92 17:15:35 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley


	Taiwan should give up any effort to keep the historical embassy
which was a Qing property.  The embassy is rightfully of People's
Republic of China.  It's time to abandon the hopeless one China policy
on the diplomatic front for Taiwan and Taiwan should embrass the one
Taiwan policy so there will be a Taiwan embassy in Seoul in the future
and no one can take that away from Taiwan.

	South Korea has finally come to the right decision to recognize
the true China and she should only be blamed for being the delay of this
action.  We have to remember that Taiwan is the aggressor claiming the
territory of China at this moment.  Aggressor will be punished until she
stop her aggression.  We should blame ROC not ROK.

TY Huang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby)
Subject: Re: Taiwan Embassies
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 02:21:39 GMT

Two European countries have diplomatic ties with ROC (that I know of anyway).

First is of course, Vatican City, for reasons obvious.

Second is Latvia (sp?).  Latvia, when she became independant, wanted to
recognize ROC because of trade and economic reasons.  However, in order
to be recognize by UN, it is necessary to *please* PRChina since PRC
holds the permanent seat.  Thus, Latvia formed diplomatic tie with PRC,
and *after* it got accepted into UN, it formed diplomatic tie with ROC.

Latvia is the first and only(?) country to recognize both China's at
the same time.

Also, ROC is presuring The Philipines to recognize ROC (instead of PRC)
because ROC is helping the economic development of the filipinos.

-- 
1)-----------------------Rev 6:8 "... They were given authority over a quarter
of the Earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and wild beasts."
2)-----------------------There is nothing worse than betraying a long-term
friendship, like what the South Koreans did!          * my own opinions ONLY *
From: H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: TI
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:36:29 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 90908648@ccw206

elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Y.C. Liang) wrote:

    In article <1992Aug27.171038.8569@bradford.ac.uk> 
    H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG) writes:
   >
   >Suggestions: How to Ensure  Taiwan's Independance (TI)?
   >
   >
   >1)  Draw out all the hard currence to buy weapons. Tell ...
   >
   >2)  Strict control over minorities in Taiwan. Prevent them ...
   >
   >3)  Win international support. Ask those African countries ...
   >
   >4)  Assassinate those mainlander or taiwanese politicians ...
   >
   >5)  Forget PRC. Have a nice sleep. Tomorrow'll be another 
   >    day! 
   >
   > 
   > --August 1992, in a very exited mood, night before heavy sh*t fall.

   It was possible to have Taiwan to be independent.  But, the governemnt
   in Taiwan missed the opportunity.  Somehow, politically, economically,
   it is quite difficult to do so now.  But, it may be getting easier in
   the future.  Things are changing.  Regards.

Anyone interested in the ORIGINAL posting please e-mail to me
for a complete copy.

Copyright reserved by the author.  No one has the right 
to cite the posting without author's permission.

Hongwen Wang
H.Wang@uk.ac.bradford
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean
From: yuchao@mtu.edu (Edmond CHAO)
Subject: Re: Korean Airline flights unwelcome in Taiwanese Airspace, etc. [FWD]
Followup-To: soc.culture.korean
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:45:50 GMT

In article <Aug.26.10.21.20.1992.9023@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
> In article <1992Aug25.185028.10446@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng ) writes:
> > In article <BtIr9n.56J@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jclei@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Lei) writes:
> > 
> > Dear Korean Airlines Pilots,
> > 
> >   Fly carefully, do not be shot down by anybody's missile AGAIN.
> > 
> > R.O.C. Air Force
> > (Just for entertainment)
> 
> You must be fucking out of your mind if that is entertaining. People
> are still being hurt by the incident.
> 
> If you are pissed, go somewhere else. I don't take that kind of crap here.
> 
> Jung S. Lee


*****	Dear S.C.K. netters:


 	I DOUBT that Mr. T.X.Cheng (who wrote this joke) is

	a Chinese from mainland China (PROC) rather than

   	from Taiwan (ROC), because his middle initial X. is a 

        typical mainland-China type spelling. Anyone comfirm?

        If that is tha case, you can blame him whatever you want.

        Also,

        I think no one should make such a serious joke on Korean people.

        Just feel a little strange!



      	Edmond (Yuan-Ning) Chao
        yuchao@mtu.edu
   	Dept of ME
	Michigan Tech. Univ.
From: chang@curtiss.seas.ucla.edu (Fengteng Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Independence of Taiwan: a Suggestion
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:24:01 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

In article <1992Aug31.134342.5019@linus.mitre.org> 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes:
>Maybe you are a Min3Nan2.  I don't know if you know the story of
>Yi4Min2Miau4 and Yi4Min2Yie2 - the sad story of Ke4Jia.  Who killed these
>Yi4Min2Yie2??  When I was in MiaLi, some Ke4Jia told me they can tolerate
>their daughter marry a mainlander, but they will not allow their daughter
>marry a Min3Nan2.  What do you think that means?  As a officer, I have
>handled a case that a group of Min3Nan2 soldiers fight against a group of
>Ke4Jia.  Tell me why?  I agree there is a small percentage of intermarriage
>between Min3Nan2 and Ke4Jia.  This is the same situation like Serbs,
>Croates and Muslins in Yugoslavia. "All these groups are

Your story is only one case. There are many different stories.
My grandparents are Hakka from MiaoLi.
They were upset but took it when my father married a Holo, my mother.
However, my grandma keep telling me that don't marry a Chung3-San2-Eh4
(mainlander, original meaning is those who wear Chung1-San1 suit).
I never think it is appropriate. But the story is opposite to
your story.

About Yi4-Min2-Yie2, we have a different perception.
Hakka care very much about their homeland.
If anyone tries to occupy their land, they will fight
no matter who they are, Holo, mainlanders or Japanese.
Yi4-Min2 are those who sacrifice their lives for fighting.
Hakka and Holo are two ethnic groups who migrate to Taiwan.
Of course they have conflicts over the land.
The rulers, Chinese(Chin1), Japanese and Chinese (KMT)
knew the tension too well.
They exploit the situations.
In Chin1 period, when Holo rebel, they called them Pan4-Min2.
Taking advantage of the tension, the ruler persuade Hakka to
fight Holo because Holo Pan4-Min2 would occupy Hakka land.
Therefore, the situation was getting worse and worse.
However, this situation changed under Japanese colonist control.
In many cases, they fight Japanese together.
This also happened in 228.
When KMT tried to send troops south, Hsinch people tear off
the railroad to block the troops.


Fengteng
From: linhoo@cs.uq.oz.au (Hu Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: The Foreign Minister of PRC said ...
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:22:18 GMT
Reply-To: linhoo@cs.uq.oz.au

In <l9o1r5INNo5n@pollux.usc.edu> mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes:

>No, it is not going to happen.  We Taiwanese are going to have our own
>country.  Long live Republic of Taiwan !

Cool down, boy. She has not born yet. 

How about    Long live pro-ROT!
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 1 Sep 1992 18:45:52 CDT
From: <U14540@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Need some information about living in Taipei

In article <87410@netnews.upenn.edu>, vorchez@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Cameron
Campbell) says:
>
>Hi,
>
>I have what may seem like a silly question, but is actually important.
>Does anyone know if conditioning solution and cleaning solution for rigid
>gas-permeable contact lenses (like the Boston II) are available in Taipei
>now?  I need to know because I am coming to Taiwan in a week and spending
>nine months, so I have to stock up here on chemicals if they are not
>
 Yes, they are available. I was there a couple weeks ago and they had Alcon
 gas pereable solution for about $6 U.S.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: pascal@fledgling.WPI.EDU (Jaret Peter Christopher)
Subject: Importing to the U.S.
Originator: pascal@fledgling.WPI.EDU
Keywords: Importing to the U.S.
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:28:34 GMT


If anyone knows of a stereo loudspeaker manuf. company who could be interested 
in exporting to the United States please e-mail or call at (508) 845-1313

Thank you,

Jaret Christopher  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean
From: yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
Subject: Re: All you d*ckhead friend-betraying Koreans!!!
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 20:30:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.191205.19865@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> shao@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SHAO CHUNG-SHANG) writes:
>In article <1992Aug23.142909.5098@news.columbia.edu> jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim) writes:
>>
>>Hopefully, we can still work something out.
>>
>
>maybe.  how about let roc government take over the korean embassy in
>taipei, and sell it to north korean as their trading center.

I hope you are not making it sound like the ROK government terminated 
connections with the ROC because it was based on emotion. The ROK
government did what it did because they think it is the most appropriate
thing to do. If the ROC government gave the Korean embassy to the DPRK,
it would show how emotionally ROC politicians base their opinions, for 
there would be no sane reason to do so.

-- 
    .  .      +---------------------------------+
  --|--|      | Mark Yeon Wook Choi             |
   /.\ |      | yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu |
  --|--|      +---------------------------------+  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean
From: yuchao@mtu.edu (Edmond CHAO)
Subject: Re: Korean Airline flights unwelcome in Taiwanese Airspace, etc. [FWD]
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean
Organization: Dept of ME, Michigan Technological University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:08:08 GMT

In article <Aug.26.10.21.20.1992.9023@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
> In article <1992Aug25.185028.10446@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng ) writes:
> > In article <BtIr9n.56J@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jclei@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Lei) writes:
> > 
> > Dear Korean Airlines Pilots,
> > 
> >   Fly carefully, do not be shot down by anybody's missile AGAIN.
> > 
> > R.O.C. Air Force
> > (Just for entertainment)
> 
> You must be fucking out of your mind if that is entertaining. People
> are still being hurt by the incident.
> 
> If you are pissed, go somewhere else. I don't take that kind of crap here.
> 
> Jung S. Lee


Dear netters:

  I DOUBT that Mr. T.X. Cheng (who wrote this joke) is a Chinese
 
  from mainland China (PROC) rather than from Taiwan (ROC),

  because his middle initial X. is a typical mainland-China type spelling. 

  If that is the case, you can blame him whatever you want.
  
  I think no one should make such a serious joke on Korean people.

  Just feel a little strange!



  Edmond (Yuan-Ning) Chao
  yuchao@mtu.edu
  Dept of ME
  Michigan Tech. Univ. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Korean Bashing (Re: All you d*ckhead friend-betraying Koreans!!!)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 07:07:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.060131.1063@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> shao@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SHAO CHUNG-SHANG) writes:

>sorry, i don't this is a complete explaination.  the basic unit in the
>american president electio is not individual person.  the basic unit is
>vote representative of a state.  the number of the representatives which
>one state has, is determined by the population of that state.  if one
>candidate wins in state A, all of the representatives of state A must 
>be given to the candidate.  the candidate who can get more number of the
>representatives will be the next president.  by the simple arithmatics,
>you can find that winning in the number of the representatives does not
>mean winning the number of real individuals.
>so, from the aspect of individual, it isn't reasonable.  it is against the 
>wishes of the major population.  is this democracy?

It surely isn't perfect.  If I have the ability to modify the system, I would
use the District Plan which Maine (and none of the other states) use.  Under
Maine's plans, 2 of the state's electoral votes (representing the 2 Senate
seats that the state has in the Congress) would be determined at-large by
popular vote for the whole state, and each of the other two electoral votes
would be given to the candidate who got more popular votes in each of Maine's
two Congressional districts.

But as for it being against the wishes of the majority of the population, you
didn't address my point that since the electoral college begun to be voted in
as slates, only once did the popular and the electoral votes disagree (in the
Harrison vs. Cleveland election).
>
>>The point is, I feel that Lee has as much popular mandate as Gerald Ford
>>(that is, not much).
>
>sorry, don't understand the meaning here.

Ford was not voted in; he was initially appointed by Richard Nixon as Vice-
President when Spiro Agnew resigned.  When Nixon himself resigned, Ford
became President.  Ford had *some* popular mandate; he was confirmed by the
Senate, which was elected by the people.  However, that is not much mandate
at all.

Lee is in a similar situation; he was voted in by Guo2 Min2 Da4 Huay4, so you
can draw an analogy there with the Senate, and I would argue that Lee has even
less popular mandate, since the people over whom he has effective power had
elected only a *very* tiny fraction of the representatives who elected Lee.
From: txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Let go the embassy; let Taiwan be Taiwan.
Date: 24 Aug 92 00:33:34 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: txc6266@ultb

In article <1992Aug23.171535.7223@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang) writes:
>
>	Taiwan should give up any effort to keep the historical embassy
>which was a Qing property.  The embassy is rightfully of People's
>Republic of China.  It's time to abandon the hopeless one China policy
>on the diplomatic front for Taiwan and Taiwan should embrass the one
>Taiwan policy so there will be a Taiwan embassy in Seoul in the future
>and no one can take that away from Taiwan.
>
>	South Korea has finally come to the right decision to recognize
>the true China and she should only be blamed for being the delay of this
>action.  We have to remember that Taiwan is the aggressor claiming the
>territory of China at this moment.  Aggressor will be punished until she
>stop her aggression.  We should blame ROC not ROK.
>
>TY Huang

Obvious TI/IT devotee.
From: smlg1015@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Stuart M Lichtenthal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Wordprocessors with Nice On-Screen Fonts
Summary: What popular Chinese word-processors in use in Taiwan
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:07:18 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Dear soc.culture.taiwan:

I would appreciate information about the popularity of various
Chinese word processors in Taiwan today.  It has been 4 years
since I saw the initial release of Yi-Tian and I wonder what
improvements have been made since then (certainly many).

For instance, are the onscreen fonts pretty?  This is
qualitative, but are they better than stick characters?

Which character input method is most popular?  Which software
package?  Is any hardware required besides standard PC configuration?
How much memory?

Please reply by private email to smlg1015@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
rather than to the newsgroup; I don't usually follow soc.culture.taiwan.

Thanks,

Stuart Lichtenthal smlg1015@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Hi Norm!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean
From: for499@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Biing T Guan)
Subject: Re: Korean Airline flights unwelcome in Taiwanese Airspace, etc. [FWD]
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 04:51:04 GMT

shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:

>No flames but seems like international politics is indeed game of interests:
>banning Korean airlines wouldn't do much harm to Taiwan but banning U.S. 
>airlines would do so.  So ... I guess that's why U.S. airlines continue to
>fly to and out of Taiwan even though U.S. was the very dear ice breaker.
>Come to think of it, viva la independent Taiwan!

Sorry to break a news to you, S. Korea is not U. S. Yes, we depend on
U. S. as much as we hate to admit it.  But I do think we can live
without S. Korea.  So come to think of it, viva la independent North Korea to
you too!

Biing T. Guan
A Taiwan-born Chinese
From: bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Larry Greenfield)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Cheapie Flights to Asia
Date: 24 Aug 92 03:16:11 GMT
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238

First of all, I haven't read all the messages on this thread, as I'm 
allowed only a half hour a day on usenet.  But I have scanned some of 
them... for those of you leaving from the LAX area... any of you consider 
courir flying? When I went to Taiwan in 89 it was $250 Roundtrip, to HK 
in 88, it was $350 RT. Japan is aroundn $350, Singapore & Bangkok usually 
around $400.
  The only limitations is that some companies have a short length-of-stay 
(usualy 2 weeks). However, some companyies (like Jupiter Air if they 
still have thesame policies) allow you to stay as long as you want as 
long as the return date is open (within a half year I think).  There are 
lots of courier companies flying LAX-Asia. If interested, pick up the 
SUNDAY L.A.TIMES and look in the CLASSIFIED (not travel) section under 
"Air Travel". That's where all the courier ads are.
 Oh yeah, you can only take carry-on luggage (no check-ins) but that's 
no big deal.  It's a cheap way to fly to Asia, and I've used it a bit 
before...
:::::Larry:::::

--
Larry Greenfield (bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org)
From: thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: A bit more detailed about the China-South Korea normalization
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:38:44 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

In article <1992Aug25.010806.14707@ichips.intel.com> pchang@pdx073 (Paul Chang) writes:
>>I do not care about either Germany or China.  Talk about them is SCG or
>>SCC.  We may agree whether Republic of Democratic Taiwan or Republic of
>			    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Taiwan is the first republic in Asia.  I am not sure that USSR was
> ^^^^^^					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Are you making these up? I have never seen such names for a country until now.
>Republic of China is truly the first republic in Asia. Any contemporary China
>history book will tell you that. Don't tell me the revolution against the Ching
>dynasty was led by the Chinese communist party (it didn't even exist) or by the
>Taiwanese (Taiwan was still under Japanese occupation).
>
Every country would say something in favor of their country.  Taiwan
declared independence in 1895 on the eve of Japanese invasion and the US
sent ambassador who arrived in Taiwan after the collapse of the
Taiwanese Republic.  I say "we may argue" about whether you count that
as the first republic in Asia, but I did not make up the name.

>Who gives you the idea that you can change the name of a country anyway you
>want? Would you like to have you name changed? I have some TLAs handy for you.
>
Chinese change their country name to PRC.
Please be knowledgeable about the differences between polity and
individual and be disciplined on the usage of anology.

>You should study Chinese, Cuban or North Korean communists if you want to know
>more about leninist. There's no such thing in Taiwan.

Oh, come on, Leninist organization is not limited to communism and I
have never say that Leninist organization cannot be a good organization.

TY Huang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan