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From: s7958246@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s7958246)
Subject: Re: Cruella Deville
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:07:49 GMT

In article <92324.141303RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu> <RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Does anyone know the lyrics to the song "Cruella Deville".
>
>And does anyone else have any thoughts on the name of the baddie in this movie
>which really sounds like Cruel Devil to me.
>
>Isn't that a pretty harsh play on words?


  Cruella DeVil, Cruella DeVil,
  If she doesn't scare you, no evil thing will
  To see her is to take a sudden chill
  Cruella, Cruella DeVil

  The (something) in her look, the ice in her stare
  Innocent children better beware
  The world was such a wholesome place until
  Cruella, Cruella DeVil

     I recommend reading the original book "One Hundred And One Dalmations" by 
Dodie Smith (I recall), it's a nicely British children's book, and the last
name of Cruella is DeVil (who persuaded her husband to change HIS name when
they married), all the DeVils are a bad lot historywise. Yeah, it's a pretty
cool play on words... I believe someone even says in the book "That DeVil is
such a devil!"


Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: walkerjo@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: BTAS: Heart of Steel
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School
Distribution: na
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:21:23 PST

In article <1992Nov17.235049.3012@stsci.edu>, wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:
> 
> Why did Barbara Gordon walk over the sofa instead of going around it
> in the first installment on Monday, November 16?  Is there any reason
> for it?

Oh, c'mon...weren't you ever a teenager?  That's how teenagers get around :).


> 
> Also, we have seen Bruce Wayne escape from elevator cars twice, both
> times appearing as Batman when he gets out.  Therefore, he carries his
> costume with him.  Is it possible the reason Wayne wears the same
> brown suit is that it is actually the Batclothes inside out? :-)

Hmm...interesting thought, but I don't think so.  The Batsuit is tight and
form fitting, while the suit is much looser (and thus works to hide Bruce's
build).  I'd guess that he wears the suit underneath his regular clothes.
However, the suits he wears can't be normal; if he had to remove his tie,
unbutton his vest and shirt, etc., everytime he changed, he'd be dead dead
dead the first time he tried it.  Far too time consuming.  The suit must
be made to tear away quickly; it must also be fairly lightweight, since
he evidently stuffs it into some pocket of the Batsuit.

The real question is, where does he hide the boots?

> 
> 
> -- 
> 'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
>                          Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
>                          Space Telescope Science Institute
>                          Baltimore, MD   21218
Joe Walker
walkerjo@cgsvax.claremont.edu
From: opcarr@netcom.com (Onny Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: BTAS  11/16: Heart of Steel
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:02:05 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

:Did anyone else think that the animation style in this episode was
:"different"?  It wasn't the very polished animation we saw in P.O.V. or
:Heart of Ice, but I thought it was good.  Certain scenes with Bats in
:the low-lighting struck me as very impressive indeed.

They were the same guys who did the "Pretty Poison" episode.  Sunrise.
While not as good as Spectrum or TMS, some scenes in the episode
led me to believe that these guys are better than Dong Yang, and
light years ahead of AKOM.

Thumbs up on this episode--so far.

-opc-
Xref: sparky rec.arts.animation:5626 rec.arts.disney:6347 alt.censorship:8829
From: cs64fad@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.disney,alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Sanitizing Fantasia (was: Latest rumors)
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:37:45 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.animation
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Nov15.204534.11994@scic.intel.com> sbradley@scic.intel.com (Seth Bradley) writes:
>
>That's how I remeber it too.  In the version of Cinderella I read, the 
>"wicked stepsisters" merely had to suffer with having their toe or heel
>hacked off to fit into the glass slipper (the blood tipped the prince off).
>The worst of Saturday morning kid-vids seem tame in comparison to the Grimm
>Brothers :-).

Not only that, the Evil Stepsisters had their eyes pecked out by
birds at the end as punishment.  One popular complaint about
Disney's adaptation was that there was no retribution against the
Stepsisters.


- Robert Cook
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn )
Subject: Re: Gi Joe/Transformers Crossover, guest appearance
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:57:40 GMT

In article <kennehra.722460361@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> kennehra@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Rich"TheMan"Kennehan) writes:
>
>
>Wait....wasnt "Mr.Snake" wearing a platinum silver mask just like the 
>REAL cobra commander did?  By the way, how did cobra commander come
>back to life after the GI Joe movie that had Nemises Enforcer in it?
>(Nemesis is THE BADDEST bad animated bad guy I have ever seen BTW)
>I remember seeing a big green hulking guy that had Cobra commander's
>voice about a year ago.  The animation was pretty bad, though.
>What happened????
>
There was a badly animated mini-series that came out after the movie. In
it, Cobra still exists with Serpentor in charge, and there is no mention
of Golobulus or Cobra-La (thank God!). Serpentor is pretty much ticking
everybody off due to his heavy-handedness, Destor is now in love with
Zaranna, and Cobra Commander is in snake form, as a pet for Serpentor. 
Well, my memory is foggy, but here is what I think happened: the 
Baroness is ticked off at everybody's lack of leadership and discovers
this goofy ancient mystical energy called "Dragonfire". This stuff can
be used to transform creatures into other forms or something like that. 
Frustrated with Serpentor, Baroness uses it to bring CC back to life--
one of the few good scenes I believe--he says "I..was..once a man.." like
he did in the movie. Anyways, the mask the Baroness is using to channel the
energy gets knock away or something like that before CC is fully brought
back, so he is green and scaly and not entirely human. He puts on the
battle armor that appeared in the comic book as his new uniform (although
in the comic book his killer uses this armor to masquerade as him) and 
uses the Dragonfire to turn Serpentor into a half iguana-half human 
creature as revenge. CC then teams up with Destro and they start on their
usual plans again. Later, a new GI Joe season was made but it seemed to
be aimed at a much younger audience. CC was more of a buffoon than a leader
and a lot of the characters were either gone, drawn differently, or had
their voices changed. They also changed the music to a really bad song
and theme. It got even worse--on Saturday mornings GI Joe battles to save
the environment. CC is in his original uniform with his hood, but it seems
to be aimed at a yet _younger_ crowd. *sigh*

Major Bludd: "..so that's my deal, Cobra Commander. You really have no 
		options--"
Cobra Commander: "Options?!! If I really want to, I can hire that gorilla
		  from the luggage commercial to jump up and down on your
		  face while wearing track shoes!!"
				GI Joe, #23

Cobra Commander: "If we have the courage to be ruthless, the world can
			belong to us!"
			       GI Joe, #99
-- 

Send e-mail to: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: rcorns@husky1.stmarys.ca
Subject: Re: ANIMATION: anybody here actually animate?
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:38:28 GMT

I dabble in the art. Primarily I do hand drawn work on paper, transfer
it to my Amiga. There I add colour, sound and put the finished product
together for playback in realtime off the computer.


Robert Corns              rcorns@husky1.stmarys.ca          Dept of Physics
Saint Mary's University           Halifax         Nova Scotia    Canada 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: isupstud@bnr.ca (Wayne Hutton)
Subject: Re: The DUMBEST saturday cartoon ever
Reply-To: isupstud@bnr.ca (Wayne Hutton)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:42:50 GMT

	I don't really see how any one can truly put down a classic cartoon.

>>Wait...I just thought of a better one: "The harlem globetrotters"
>>    - Rich"TheMan"Kennehan

>>"Hong Kong Phooey".  Or "The Funky Phantom".  Or any of the
>>"Care Bear"/"My Little Pony" toon-mercials.
>>    - Richard F. Drushel

Back when cartoons were simple and non-commercial, it was enjoyable to wake up
on saturday mornings.  I could watch "The Harlem Globetrotters" or "Hong Kong
Phooey" and just laugh at the fact that they were merely cartoons.  Nowadays
they have "The Care Bears", "My Little Pony", and even "The Teenage Mutant
Ninja Turtles", which are all commercial products.  One of the main aspects
of these cartoons is to sell more merchandise.  If the cartoon can do it on
saturday morning then the kid should be able to do it if he spends $XX.XX on
the toy.  If you want to talk about "Dumb" cartoons just mention any of the
commercial ones and I'd have to agree, but please refrain from insulting the
cartoons that were meant for simple purposes... being funny. :-)

-- 

Todd Strilchuk:

	isupstud@bnr.ca

	tstrilch@ugly.uvic.ca


Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: s7958246@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s7958246)
Subject: Re: Cruella Deville
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:36:29 GMT

   Yes, the Replacements did a wonderful job on Stay Awake! I have that album
as well as "Simply Mad About The Mouse", but think that's too commercial,
while "Stay Awake" has a bit more eclectic group of musicians (Ken Ordine for
one, then Yma Sumac...) and is a whole lot, well, neater.
Los Lobos doing "Wanna Be Like You" is also a classic. :)

--* Welcome to Agrabah, city of mystery... *--
From: aa664@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan Scott Tuskes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: ANIMATION: anybody here actually animate?
Date: 19 Nov 1992 17:12:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa664@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan Scott Tuskes)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, aramsey@ugly.UVic.CA (Aaron  Ramsey) says:

>Is this group just for people who watch animations, or are there people
>here who are doing their own animations? I'm asking because I recently
>got into filming my own stuff, and want to talk to people about 
>techniques, etc... Anybody out there? Maybe I've got the wrong group
>here.... If so, sorry for the wasted bandwidth.   8-)
>
>-Aaron 
> aramsey@ugly.uvic.ca
>
>


I was starting to wonder myself. I have a production company,
"Alternative Realities Ltd", specializing in animation and
effects makeup. What kind of animation are you trying to do?
ARL has done character and graphic work for a number of industrial
films, and some model animation for some commercials and lowbudget
features. Would love to hear from you on your project.

Al T
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor Morgan)
Subject: RFD: rec.arts.animation-not-btas
Originator: wmorgan@nemesis.stsci.edu
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:12:27 GMT


Hmmm, no posts with "Batman" or "BTAS" in the subjects recently.
There are too many non-BTAS postings!  I propose we have a
rec.arts.animation-not-btas for these postings which have crowded out
discussion of Batman: The Animated Series!

:-)

For those who see no humor in this, this is just to show those posters
who wanted BTAS to have its own newsgroup that the sudden burst of
BTAS-related postings a few weeks ago has died out, as predicted.

-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: brianm@sco.com (Brian Moffet)
Subject: Re: ANIMATION: anybody here actually animate?
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:28:11 GMT

awilliam@qucis.queensu.ca (Andrew Williams) writes:
>OK!! What sort of camera/film system are you guys using? Does anyone know
>if a video frame-by-frame camera is available for those that a) Can't 
>afford 35 mm film, b) Just can't wait to see the results etc.?

Well, my animation was a computer animation.  Rendered on about 
11 IBM PC 486's (slow software, it's handcrafted and much improved now),
and the images were then taken to a sun and loaded onto a jpeg compression
engine/scsi disk.  This loading onto the disk took about 2 hours, and then
was played back onto video tape in real time, 1 minute.

It was my first attempt at a computer animation, and I learned a lot.

All in all, it took too much time, due to completely non-optimized rendering
software.  I'll be doing another animation in the next few months, about the
length ( about 1 minute ), and I think this one will be easier because of what
I learned last time.

No, I am not a student, and I am not paid for these animations.  I am a kernel
programmer, and do computer graphics solely as a hobby.

brian moffet
--
"Face it, Chuck.  Taken as an aggregate, the human race is a stupid, sorry lot."
                           -- Jonathan Quist

brianm@sco.com  or uunet!sco!brianm                    Speaking for Myself
Xref: sparky rec.arts.animation:5602 rec.arts.disney:6295
From: ksjohnso@mathlab.mtu.edu(KRIS A. JOHNSON)
Subject: RE: BTAS: Barbara Gordon's voice?
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:55:55 GMT

In article <92323.133125CARLOSLI@auvm.american.edu>  
<CARLOSLI@auvm.american.edu> writes:
> I noticed Barbara Gordon's voice in the credits yesterday was Melissa  
Gilbert-
> Brinkman (or something like that). Is this the same Melissa Gilbert that  
played
> Laura Ingalls in Little House on the f*ck*ng Prairie?
> 
> Carlos.

Yup.  That's her.

KJ
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: foo@netcom.com (Mark Hall)
Subject: Re: .. Chicken-Hawk (Bugs Bunny ???)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:47:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.211231.9352@bcrka451.bnr.ca> isupstud@bnr.ca writes:
)
)Quick question: Does any one know the name of the chicken hawk that is
)constantly trying to capture Foghorn Leghorn?
)
)"I'm a chicken hawk...  and you're a chicken!"

   Henery Hawk

   With Foghorn, he appeared in 

   Walky Talky Hawky (1946)
   Crowing Pains     (1947)
   The Foghorn Leghorn (1948)
   Hen House Henery  (1949)
   The Leghorn Blows at Midnight (1950)
   Leghorn Swoggled  (1951)
   All Fowled Up     (1955)
   Strangled Eggs    (1961)

   - mark
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Bladerunner charector in BTAS (was BTAS  11/16: Heart of Steel)
Date: 17 Nov 92 08:30:25
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: "Kevin J. Chen"'s message of Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:47:34 -0500 

>>>>> On Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:47:34 -0500 , "Kevin J. Chen" <kc2w+@andrew.cmu.edu> said:

Kevin> Looks like the record for episodes of BTAS with "Heart of..."
Kevin> in the title is pretty good... :)

So did anyone notice that Carl Rossen looked and sounded just like 
J F Sebation (sp?) from Bladerunner. Thought that was cool...

--
 Scott Streeter                             Visit the Star Wars Archive at
 ss@wpi.wpi.edu                             wpi.wpi.edu       130.215.24.1
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: gsbrande@acs.ucalgary.ca (Geoffrey Sean Brandenburg)
Subject: Re: Cruella Deville
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 22:51:25 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <92324.141303RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu> <RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Does anyone know the lyrics to the song "Cruella Deville".
>
>And does anyone else have any thoughts on the name of the baddie in this movie
>which really sounds like Cruel Devil to me.
>
>Isn't that a pretty harsh play on words?

The Deville-Devil wordplay was stressed in the original book, I believe.  
It was no accident.



-- 
Sean Brandenburg         | Darkwing:  "You are *not* a well person!"
gsbrande@acs.ucalgary.ca | Megavolt:  "And you're NORMAL?!  'I am the cold sore
-------------------------|            that stings your lip??' We are definitely
Can\ada - Ottawa = Canada|            talking *demented*!"
From: pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Montykins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Why no cartoons before movies???
Date: 22 Nov 92 08:52:43 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <By3KF4.3nK@world.std.com>, andyi@world.std.com (Andy G Ihnatko) writes:
>
>1)  Because if they make each showing longer (even by only ten minutes) then
>    they probably won't be able to schedule as many daily showings as they
>    would like to.  This in itself is why movies that run longer than 150
>    minutes are extremely rare.
>

Quite true. For instance, Malcolm X, at 201 minutes (Spike! Learn to
EDIT!), ten of which is closing credits (Love that shot of Cos in an
X hat), can only be shown a maximum of three times in a normal
theater's day (defined here as the day which the theater where I
work stays open. Movies start from about 12:00 noon to about 10:30).

As a result, _many_ theaters showing Malcolm are showing it on two
screens, just to get up to five showings a day.

>2)  Because shorts themselves cost money, and theaters are (alledgedly)
>    being run on short margins these days.
>

Yup. Remember, the money you pay for your ticket goes _straight_
like a bullet into the movie company's coffers. The theater gets
nothing out of it. All the profit has to come from the concession
counter.

>3)  Because theater operators are cheap lousy stinking no-good rat-fink
>    bastards.
>

Well, now, I wouldn't say that [note ObAnimation Warner Bros.
Reference]. Being a managerial-type, I _am_ an
"operator". And, in a chain, the managers have no control. It's all
the home office, man.

Here's a few other reasons:

4)  Nobody's _making_ shorts anymore. Sometimes a movie will have
something attached (Like 3 Ninjas and the execrable "He's Bonkers!"
or a Roger Rabbit cartoon), but that's it.

5)  It's more profitable to rent out the screen to advertisements
from local car dealers.

6)  Don't be foolish. The cartoons were _never_ shown between the
movies. They were shown at the _beginning_ of the movies. Dopey
elevator music has been around quite awhile.

 -Paul "Monty" Ashley
   (Three and a half hours! Longer than JFK! Only 30 minutes shorter
than Gandhi, which had an _intermission_!)
>
>-- Andy Ihnatko
>   andyi@world.std.com


-- 
All just the opinions of pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu.
Xref: sparky rec.arts.animation:5638 rec.arts.disney:6371
From: lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G. Brashear)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Alladin for the first time
Date: 17 Nov 1992 01:08:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


There are also already Aladdin and Jasmine "Barbie" dolls in the Disney
stores around here, as well as stuffed animals of the Tiger, Genie (not 
an animal in the traditional sense, I know, but...), and I believe Abu
(but I'm not certain).  The ceramic figurines are in, the t-shirts and 
sweatshirts and baseball caps (just right for little boys) are also in
the stores.  This is as of a couple weeks ago, so now that official release
date is coming and sneak preview #1 was already shown, there will almost
certainly be more.  What ticks me off to the infinite degree is that no
one in the whole stupid area has a soundtrack!  It's not fair, I tell you!
I'm going into Aladdin song withdrawl (and I haven't even seen the movie
yet--the preview was sold out--AAAUUUGGGHHH).
Linda
-- 
"Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding"
					--Proverbs 3:5
"Aw, Mom, you act like I'm not even wearing a bungie cord!"--Calvin
"It's barbaric, but hey, it's home"--"Arabian Nights" from --Aladdin--
From: aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: In BMTAS
Date: 15 Nov 1992 23:05:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


More recently, Hamill played the Trickster, a rather Joker-like
villain on two episodes of last season's live-action FLASH TV
show.  Apparently he feels an affinity for this sort of role...

-- 
Bill Henley, Assistant Sysop, Cleveland Free-Net Science Fiction
& Fantasy SIG (aa396)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: chedberg@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Recurring Characters:Aeon Flux
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:21:30 GMT

	The woman and the man in the latest episode of Aeon Flux are already
recurring characters on the show. Watch the beginning of the season's opening
episode, which was rebroadcast right after this latest one. I don't remember if
the woman was in it, but one of the guys should look quite familiar. Also, the
woman was seen training in the alien-egg theft episode at one point. She didn't
look qhite so graceful, either, as I recall.
						-Chris Hedberg
Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:47:34 -0500 
From: "Kevin J. Chen" <kc2w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: BTAS  11/16: Heart of Steel

Looks like the record for episodes of BTAS with "Heart of..." in the
title is pretty good... :)

Did anyone else think that the animation style in this episode was
"different"?  It wasn't the very polished animation we saw in P.O.V. or
Heart of Ice, but I thought it was good.  Certain scenes with Bats in
the low-lighting struck me as very impressive indeed.

I thought the episode had a standard, but fun, plot (if you ignore the
prehensile robot tentacles -- I *hate* those).  I was especially tickled
that the computer (HARDAC, was it?) seemed to resemble HAL in both
appearance and vocal tone.  Also, a good feint on the writer's behalf --
the first time we see the computer's cloning process, I expected Bruce
Wayne to be the new android.  

Bruce attacked by the Batcave?  -- this is reminescent of one of the
final issues of Booster Gold, where his mansion defenses attack him
under the control of one of the bad guys.  Good way to end the episode
-- I'm waiting (with VCR) for Part II.

Kevin.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:35:00 EST
From: <MTP110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Speed Racer

I want to find out if the old Speed Racer shows are going to come back since th
e shows theme song is now becoming popular.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: aramsey@ugly.UVic.CA (Aaron  Ramsey)
Subject: ANIMATION: anybody here actually animate?
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 01:10:30 GMT

Is this group just for people who watch animations, or are there people
here who are doing their own animations? I'm asking because I recently
got into filming my own stuff, and want to talk to people about 
techniques, etc... Anybody out there? Maybe I've got the wrong group
here.... If so, sorry for the wasted bandwidth.   8-)

-Aaron 
 aramsey@ugly.uvic.ca