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From: fouts@bozeman.hpl.hp.com (Martin Fouts)
Subject: Re: re: parkening
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:46:26 GMT
Reply-To: fouts@hpl.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Labs

In article <1e6rdpINNl7g@fido.asd.sgi.com>, huy@rainbow.asd.sgi.com (Huy Nguyen) writes:
|> I used to think Parkening was among the best until I actually saw him live
|> at a recital in SF. He can play pretty fast and smooth but the tone
|> was very naily and he just doesn't play with enough volume. 
|> It's just wasn't the same as with his recoding. I haven't bought any
|> of his new recording so may be the new recording is just as bad.
|> The way he was playing on that night(Herbst Theater, Winter 88?), I don't
|> know how he ever becomes famous. I heard that there was a period when he
|> was burned out with the guitar and he did not play at all during
|> that time. 

It is perhaps that Parkening is getting old.  He use to teach Master's
classes at Montana State University in Bozeman in the late 70's and
early 80's, and I would go to hear his annual concerts.  He always
played in small halls, and did have a volume problem, but he played
with incredible control and clarity, although I have to admit to a
lack of freedom in his style.  At the time he was my favorite
classical guitarist, possibly because only he and Segovia ever
bothered to come to Montana in those days.

I saw Parkening on the Tonight Show a few weeks ago, where the sound
technicians did a good job of masking the lack of volume.  Very
interesting technical material, although I don't remember what he
played.

Segovia had a similar problem in that he should have retired long
before he died, because he was no longer up to the physically
demanding repertoire he attempted to play.

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novae erratae!
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 20 Nov 1992 16:30:58 EST
From: <IO21145@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.guitar
Subject: Upcoming tour

I urge everyone within fifty miles of a local arts center
to encourage the booking of a guitar concert for the 93'
season.... Columbia Artists has combined the talents of
Joe Pass (jazz!) - Leo Kottke(12-string) - Paco Pena (flamenco!!)
and Pepe Romero (classical speed demon!!)- So get on the
job!
From: jprien@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jamison R. Prien)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.guitar
Subject: Help out a new guy
Date: 15 Nov 92 17:56:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: gn.1992Nov15.175658.18138
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Expires:20 Nov

First of all, I would like to thank everyone who has posted for helping
me decide which CD to go out and buy.  I have been learning to play a 
steel string acoustic for a little over a year, and I have always known
that classical and flamenco guitar are things that I would like.  However,
I haven't had much opportunity to hear any, and know what to buy.  If anyone
is interested, I finally decided on a collection called 'Spanish Guitar Music'
by John Willams.  It is on Sony's Essential Classics.  

Now that I'm hooked, there are a couple things I need help in finding:

Alonso Mudarra's 'Fantasia' is on my new CD, and it is simply the most 
beautiful piece of music that I have heard in a _long_ time.  If anyone has
the music to this, or knows where I can get it, PLEASE let me know. I really
need to know this one.

A friend of mine has two of the 'Solo Guitar Playing' books by Noad, and they
look like something that could help me out a lot.  I have not been able to find
a copy for myself.  Does anybody know of someplace I could order them from,
or a store in the Lafayette, Indiana or Anchorage, AK, areas where I could find
them?   
 
All e-mail will be greatly appreciated!  Thanks,

Jamison

-- 
Jamison R. Prien

jprien@gn.ecn.purdue.edu
From: seifert@netcom.com (Rich Seifert)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.guitar
Subject: Re: LH Pressure
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:51:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Nov16.185117.26127
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Nov13.190725.7569@cerritos.edu>, radams@cerritos.edu writes:
> In article <basinski-131192121400@lully.biosci.arizona.edu>, 
> basinski@biosci.arizona.edu (Mark Basinski) writes:
> 
> Yes. I was told by a guitar maker that did some work on a guitar of
> Elliot Fisk that he likes his action so high on his guitar that you need the 
> hands of a lumberjack to play it (I'm not sure if its measured in cm or mm 
> [I'm so ignorant about the metric system] but he mentioned the number 7 or 8
> whereas most of use like the action at 2 or 3 I think). Anyway, the idea
> that the action has to be very high to have a lot of volume projection is 
> based on a strenous philosophy of sound production which I disagree with.
> 

The higher action also gives a great deal of flexibility (and volume)
for ornamentation. I specified slightly extra-high frets when my 
instrument was made for the same reason. It allows a more noticeable
vibrato, and makes trills/mordents/etc. much clearer and stronger.

Yes, you need a "little" extra force on the left hand, but its
not such a big deal. 

-- 
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From: xanadu@t-bone.cs.unlv.edu (Thomas Wilson)
Subject: Re: Yngwie Malmsteen
Organization: UNLV
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 04:00:10 GMT

In article <BRENT.92Nov12170004@amber.ssd.csd.harris.com>  
brent@ssd.csd.harris.com (Brent Benson) writes:
> Kevin Polcovich <KAP118@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> 
> > Yngwie Malmsteen. Any Comments on style, music, etc.?
> 
> This is rec.music.CLASSICAL.guitar. 
> 
> Enough said.
> 
> 
> --
> Brent Benson                     
> Harris Computer Systems

Are we not allowed to discuss modern composers, then?  The key to 
his music is he doesn't limit himself to the music and instruments 
of the ancient greats.  He has taken the classical style in a new 
direction, and there's nothing wrong with applying technology to 
enhance the energy.  His speed is his passion.  (Granted, he is 
arrogant, but so, I've heard, was Mozart). 

				My thoughts on the matter.
				Tom Wilson
From: sfue5@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Andrew Richards)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: The worst composer ever
Date: 22 Nov 92 17:06:43 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

From article <g8FkuB7w165w@student.business.uwo.ca>, by r4smith@student.business.uwo.ca (Richard Smith):
> It's a poll--who do you think is the worst famous composer of them all?
> 
> Let me start it off. I think it's Delius. Then again maybe it's Arthur 
> Bliss.
> 
> r4smith@student.business.uwo.ca (Richard Smith)
> Western Business School  --  London, Ontario

Try Bartok. He's the worst for my money...

Andrew
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From: stehle@erg.sri.com (Roy Stehle)
Subject: Re: Wind ensemble recordings
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 19:34:04 GMT

In article <+lv11cm@rpi.edu> clonij@rpi.edu writes:
>Anyway, does anyone know of any suppliers of Fennell-type wind ensemble
>recordings? CDs preferably.

[Don Pajerek provided some useful comments in his followup article.]

As an assist to people who are interested in music for wind ensembles,
bands, etc., I've established a directory accessible by anonymous ftp
that contains listings of music available on CD and lists of suggested
repertoire for such groups.

The following is a short summary of the files available via anonymous ftp
from ftp.erg.sri.com in the directory pub/wind_ens.  With the exception of
this file (SUMMARY) and the more descriptive README file, the files have
been compressed using the UNIX "compress" utility.  Therefore, they should
be transferred in the binary mode.  Please send me e-mail if you have
difficulties in accessing any of these files.

README            A more complete description of the files in this directory
SUMMARY           This file
bandnote.idx      Index of program notes from "Band Music Notes"
cincinnatti.cd    Listing of CDs of the Cincinnati Wind Symphony
dallas.cd         Listing of CDs of the Dallas Wind Symphony
foothill.rep      Listing of performances of the Foothill College SWE
fresno.rep        Listing of Fresno Wind Festival performance works (1988 & 89)
hughes.rep        List from "Survey of Band Repertoire" by Brian Hughes
hunsberger.rep    List from "Repertoire for Wind Conductors" by D. Hunsberger
ostling.rep       List from "College Band Repertoire" by Acton Ostling, Jr.
tkwo.cd           Listing of CDs of the Tokyo Kosei Wind Orchestra (TKWO)
tkwo.cmp          tkwo.cd sorted by composer of individual works
tkwo.ord          Ordering information for Tokyo Kosei Wind Orchestra CDs
tkwo.ttl          tkwo.cd sorted by title of individual works

Please send comments and submissions to Roy Stehle, stehle@erg.sri.com





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From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg)
Subject: Beecham's Messiah
Organization: Omen Technology Inc
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:26:40 GMT

Just bought a CD set of Sir Thomas Beecham's 1959 performance of
Handel's Messiah, as orchestrated by Sir Thomas Goosens.  This
version uses a full modern orchestra.

The recorded sound is first rate but not DDD.  Some sections have
a noticeable tape flutter, dynamic range is not up to today's
standards, and the loudest parts seem strained.

Many of us have multiple sets of politically correct original
instrument low fat Messiah versions.  This version is serious
meat and potatoes folks.  For the most part the Goosens version
works for me.

I vaguely recall a Beecham Messiah on LP that didn't do anything
for me back in 1960.  Maybe the difference is in the sound
quality; choral music is perhaps the most difficult of all
music to reproduce on a sound system, quite beyond the
capabilities of home stereo systems of three decades ago.
My system uses a pair of Ohm 4.9 speakers; Ohm speakers are
the best I have heard for choral music.

Your mileage may vary.

-- 
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From: jdooley@maemaster.eng.uci.edu (John R. Dooley)
Subject: Re: The worst composer ever
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:17:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.192236.3614@dgbt.doc.ca> ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec) writes:
>In article <1992Nov22.170643.16338@syma.sussex.ac.uk> sfue5@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Andrew Richards) writes:
>>From article <g8FkuB7w165w@student.business.uwo.ca>, by r4smith@student.business.uwo.ca (Richard Smith):
>>> It's a poll--who do you think is the worst famous composer of them all?
>>> 
>>> Let me start it off. I think it's Delius. Then again maybe it's Arthur 
>>> Bliss.
>>
>>Try Bartok. He's the worst for my money...
>
>Interesting diversity.  Some of us think that Bartok is one of the
>giants.  If he had written nothing but the 6 String Quartets, that
>would have been sufficient.  It's virtually impossible to write a
>string quartet now without showing an influence from Bartok's.
>

And, it's hard to forget he wrote *MORE* than the six string quartets.
Let's see ... Bluebeards Castle (one of the best 20th Century Operas),
the Miraculous Mandarin, the Sonata for 2 Pianos and Percussion,
a few terrific concertos (for a variety of instruments).  I agree
partly with Andrew, though -- try Bartok!!!!  You may just like what
you here.

>I nominate Philip Glass.  Yet his background score for the movie "A
>Brief History of Time" working perfectly, and, perhaps no other
>composer could have written an equally effective score.

Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to see this.  I used to like
to belittle Phillip Glass too.  But, when I saw "The Thin Blue 
Line", I realized he was capable of writing a terrific film
score.  I'm not sure how well it stands up on it's own but the 
music fit perfectly into the context of the film.  And, I'd say
that's no minor achievement.

John D.  

PostScript:  Of course, there are no bad composers - 
             just misunderstood composers.

Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: r4smith@student.business.uwo.ca (Richard Smith)
Subject: The Worst Composer: a definition
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:05:21 GMT

Boy, a pedantic bunch. The "worst" can mean whatever you please. This is 
a democracy. If you really must nail me to the wall, then tell me about 
that composer whose music just makes you cringe, makes you want to run 
away screaming: that composer you just can't stand. I don't care for what 
reason, but do provide an explanation.

I didn't expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition.

r4smith@student.business.uwo.ca (Richard Smith)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: ian.murray@synapse.org (Ian Murray)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Florence Foster Jenki
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:55:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: synapse.1949.3163.uupcb
Reply-To: ian.murray@synapse.org (Ian Murray)
Distribution: world
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On 11-16-92, Diarmuid Pigott wrote to All regarding Re: Florence Foster 
Jenki


DP>I should recommend the Scratch Orchestra and the Portsmouth Sinfonia,
DP>who were to the symphonic reportoire what FFJ was to opera.

I have heard the WTO by the Portsmouth Symphonia but that was years 
ago...do they have any CD's available ????
 
DP>For people who like discomfort, may I recommend the recording of the
DP>last Castrati? Prof Moreschi is another favourite of mine, ever since 

I heard an aria performed by Moreschi.  His voice was quite haunting. Is 
there a recording available(I'm into the strange and wonderful...Spike 
Jones Murders the Classics, PDQ Bach, etc.)

BTW, Florence's career was buoyed by the fact that she had Lottsa $$$ and 
lotsa patronizing friends who wer probably more interested in her $$$.

<< Ian >>




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From: rodean@fc.hp.com (Bruce Rodean)
Subject: Re: Music to calm down by
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:03:04 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Fort Collins, CO
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Deb Schwartz (das@voodoo.boeing.com) wrote:
> At work these days, I seem to be in a constant state of stress, and have
> been thinking that some soothing music might help greatly.  I love classical
> music, but don't have a whole lot of exposure to it.  I would greatly
> appreciate recommendations for music that has a calming effect.

Here's my $0.02, but like anything else others may have different
reactions to various music compositions.  These are CDs that I have and
like to put on when I want to relax and take it easy:

Delius                    Florida Suite, Paris, Brigg Fair
			  Hickox/Bournemouth SO
Mozart                    Flute and Harp Concertos, Andante, Bassoon Concerto
			  Hogwood/Academy of Ancient Music
Barber                    Adagio, Essays, Medea's Dance, School for Scandal
			  Slatkin/Saint Louis SO
Tchaikovsky, Suk, Dvorak  Serenades for Strings
			  Warren-Green/London Chamber O
Strauss                   Metamorphosen, Tod und Verklarung
			  Karajan/Berlin PO
Handel                    Water Music
			  Pinnock/English Concert
Respighi                  Pines and Fountains of Rome, Feste Romane
			  Dutoit/Montreal SO
Schubert                  Symphonies Nos 5 & 6
			  Abbado/Chamber O of Europe

So there you have it.  The Delius especially just flows over you and
is a personal favorite.  The Barber CD has been discussed elsewhere in
this group for people looking for something that has Adagio for
Strings.  Perhaps my preference for tone poems is showing through here.
--
Bruce Rodean                          Hewlett-Packard Company
rodean@fc.hp.com

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From: shire@dorsai.com (Kenneth Shire)
Subject: Re: The best Tristan und Isolde
Organization: The Dorsai Embassy, New York's Computer Consulate. +1.718.729.5018
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:13:00 GMT

> My favorite T&I is available on DG CD with Boehm conducting a live Bayreuth

I believe that this isn't exactly a "live" recording.  There was an 
invited audience at a dress rehearsal. The actual "live" performance is 
issued on Melodram, taken from the radio broadcasts.
From: kat@banach.WPI.EDU (Christina Lynne Freeman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: A Query
Date: 18 Nov 1992 01:43:45 GMT
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I would like to buy my father a CD of "Pictures at an Exhibition"  on it for
Christmas.  It is one of his favorites (according to my mother.)  However, I 
forgot which composer this piece is by.  Also - does anyone know of a good 
recording that they prefer over another?  I've only heard this maybe once or twice
so I'm not very familiar with it.  I'm more into Pachebel and Mozart myself.

On another note - I picked up a CD with Pachebel's Canon on it that is done
electronically with ocean sounds.  The way that I describe it here makes it
sound kinda cheesy, but it really is good.  Unfortunately, I don't have the
artist who does it right in front of me.  I did buy at the Nature Company however
so that may help.  If anyone is interested in hearing more about this, E-mail me
and I'll get back to you.

kat
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From: jmg@dit.upm.es (Jose Miguel Goni Menoyo)
Subject: Re: Tannhauser
Organization: Dept. Ingenieria de Sistemas Telematicos, UPM, Madrid, Spain.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:00:47 GMT



> Recently the available recordings of Wagner's Ring and Tristan und Isolde
> have been discussed on the net. Now I want to start a similar discussion
> about the recordings of Tannhauser.


I love the Solti's Tannhauser 1970. For me is a totally satisfying version.
Kollo is superb (I recently heard him in Barcelona in a new production of
Tannhauser, several years later of the recording, and was not so superb but
very very good). The roles are:

Tannhauser: 	Rene Kollo
Elisabeth:	Helga Dernesh
Hermann:	Hans Sotin
Wolfram:	Victor Braun
Venus:		Christa Ludwig
et al.

Wiener Sangerknaben, Wiener StaatsOpernchor, Wiener Philharmoniker.
Conductor:	Sir Georg Solti.

(I dot remember if Decca or Deutsche Gramophon.. Decca sounds me more)

Even if you like oldish versions (as I see from your examples :-) I recommend
you to try it. It is really wonderful.

Good luck!

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From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Length of Wagner's operas (was librettos ....)
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:05:14 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <BxMnGt.Mu@rahul.net> phil@rahul.net (Phil Gustafson) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.235440.4235@digi.lonestar.org> gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo) writes:
>>I can't resist reposting this article by Phil Gustafson from 
>>soc.culture.british. I hope it's not a breech of network etiquette.
>>
>
>[my article deleted]
>
>It would have been better if you asked asked me first, but emailing me
>about it is almost as good.  FWTW, I wouldn't have mailed that article
>to this group, largely because it might set Ms. Russell's lawyers on me
>for plagiarism.
>
>But it's an interesting thread.
>
>I was first attracted to Wagner's music by the "High Points" everyone
>one knows, but now thrill to (almost) every note in a good performance.
>Some of my favorite passages are those that were cut from some unfortunate
>performances in the past:  the long emotional crescendo of the Wotan/
>Brunnhilde duet,  the Wotan/Mime quiz scene are two.
>
>One suggestion I have for prospecive Ring fans is Deryck Cooke's
>Introduction to DRDN, London RDN S-1, probably of CD by now.  I
>disagree with him here and there, but find this set far more helpful
>than any synopsis disc or detached series of leitmotifs.
>
>Cheers, Phil
>-- 
>Phil Gustafson <phil@rahul.net>

Sorry, Phil. I will be more careful next time.  Glad you enjoyed the thread.
I thoroughly enjoyed the humor (though I disagree about the intrinsic 
silliness of the plot.  Its execution is what makes it silly).

Cordially,
Gerry Palo (73237.2006@cis)
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From: rwh@visual.com (Rob Holzel)
Subject: re: Speaking of the Solti Ring...
Organization: Visual
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 20:13:23 GMT



>sighted in berkeley tower of records saturday morning.  also there
>is some whopping reissue project (phillips i think) called the "bayreuth
>edition".  i didn't look close but it appears to have most or all
>of wagner's operas from bayreuth performances.  the ring was the
>boulez version, i don't remember the others.  snappy packaging, inexpensive;
>operas available seperately or in one big crate.  i'd be curious
>about what folks thought of the individual performances since they were
>cheap and so am i!

>sgp


I know there was some noise about the fact the Parsifal is NOT the
glorious Knappertsbusch, but a vastly inferior one... I don't remember,
but I think it was the Boulez also.  

Also, although the Boulez Ring was fun to watch on-screen, I don't think it
cuts it on purely musical terms.

Generally, I recommend that you resist the temptation to buy on the basis
of fancy packaging and obtain the individual operas separately.  There are
some terrific performances available at mid-price.  I can understand
your attraction to the Bayreuth set, however -- the CD companies are getting
quite fancy with their re-issues of material.   You almost want to buy
the stuff because of how great it will look on your shelf.  :-)

Also, isn't the Solti "Ring" itself available more cheaply now? 


Rob
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