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From: cs922259@ariel.yorku.ca (Ming He)
Subject: FAQ for soc.culture.china
Summary: some one had posted a rough, useful faq for this group
Keywords: faq	scc
Organization: York Univ.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:48:25 GMT
Expires: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 05:00:00 GMT

Some days ago, a guy posted a FAQ for SCC.  Can you post that again?
Any one has a copy please email one to me.  I lost my copy.

Thanks,

/ming
From: wei@psrc.isac.co.jp (Wei Hua)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Find my classmate
Date: 6 Jan 93 09:31:46 GMT
Organization: ISAC,Inc. (International Sekisui AI Corporation) JAPAN


Dear All Chinese Students in US,

My name is Wei Hua, now work in a Japanese company ISAC. I 
want to find my classmate  Miss Xiaoqin Li  who came to 
Dept. Computer Science of The University of Tennaessee in 1986. 
She was graduated from Dept. Computer Science of Huazhong 
University of Science and Technology ( in Wuhan ) in 1985 and 
then went to US .
If you know her , please give me a email to tell her e-mail 
address or let her give me a e-mail. 


Hua Wei                         
Technique Dept. ISAC, INC.                           
E-mail: wei@psrc.isac.co.jp
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: stacc0@quantum.fiu.edu (Ye)
Subject: Re: Illiteracy Rate in PRC
Organization: Florida International University, Miami
Distribution: world 
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:21:58 GMT

In article <106284@bu.edu>, lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan6.192821.532@cs.ucf.edu> jinxiong@cs.ucf.edu (Chen Jinxiong) writes:
|> >
|> >How about Yi2 zi3 zhi1 mao2 (Use your own sword)
|> >Jiang1 zi3 zhi1 deng2 (onto your own shield).
|> 
|> But what do you mean by Yi2 zi3 zhi1 mao2, Jiang1 zi3 zhi1 deng2?

`use your beloved Mao's doctrine to attack your beloved Deng's policy', maybe?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: qye@next5 (QIAN YE)
Subject: Re: Rumor: U.S. Selling Nuke Sub to Taiwan?
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:41:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.093426.2367@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> yuanj@ucbeh.san.uc.edu  
writes:
> There is a rumor that the U.S. is going to sell nuclear submarines (6 of  
them)
> to Taiwan.  Can someone confirm this? 
i don't think so. I wonder if they are non-nuclear.
If U.S did, China may sell same thing to Iran and Pakistan and ....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xc17@quads.uchicago.edu (xiaoyong  chai)
Subject: Re: when china wakes
Reply-To: xc17@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:49:49 GMT

In article <1i9qj8INN5fj@flash.pax.tpa.com.au> anon.121@pax.tpa.com.au writes:
>
>lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>
>>I don't think freedom of speech should be blamed for the violence, but
>>deep-rooted desire for power. Mao only used such desire as a vehicle
>>to move mass. Without desire for power, freedom of speech won't yield
>>violence, like on SCC.
>
>It cannot be more obvious that D-fighters *are fighting for power*. 
>They have no less `desire for power' than `mass'. So obviously they will 
>resort to violence. On SCC, people get involved in `war of words' so
>frequently that anyone can draw the following conclusion safely: if
>D-fighters once have the power they claim they desirve, the first thing
>they'll do will be sending their opponents to prison, just as Mao did
>to Chinese intellectuals in the 50s' and 60s'.
>
>  (deleted)

I guess Mr. Li was talking about physical violence and his point is
not challenged by your comment.

On the other hand, if we are talking about language violence, your post 
happen to be a perfect specimen. You better double check the validity of
your logic and definitions.  Don't be fooled by the word "safely".


>D-fighters wish China follow the example of the former CCCP; I hate it.

Sounds like you hate everything, or you just pretend to be a CCP hater?

>
>
>
>  (stuff deleted)

Xiaoyong Chai
U of Chicago
From: chen@digital.sps.mot.com (Jinfu Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: CCTV
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:35:34 GMT
Organization: Motorola, LICD, SPS, Mesa, AZ

In article <1993Jan8.044045.23491@news.cs.brandeis.edu> xi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>Watched few days CCTV program through XiaoErDuo (little ear, sattelite 
>dish), they are so good. The only problem is only one hour. 

I believe they will increase broadcast hours to tweleve.  I wonder who is
payig the satellite bills, considering no commercial is shown at all :-)

The broadcasting quality seems to be better than NATV (or whatever new name
they use now) in terms of sattelite transmission.  However, I am quite
disappointed with the contents of some programs, especially the ones
made by CCTV English Service.  I really don't understand what types of
audience they're targetting for with such programs.  The news are very
specific to local Chinese in mainland and needless to say full of propaganda.
If there are any native English speaking people would watch such program,
they must be the loyal Maoists or members of US Communist Party.  The
major oversea audience probably are immigrants and students/scholars from
China and they would prefer listening to Chinese when being shown Chinese
news.  The annoucers in CCTV all speak good English with funny British accent
but why should we have to go through the torture to figure out where is "XiBa
County in Hunan Province"?

Another complaint I have is how backward the news contents are.  I couldn't
simply believe CCTV still produces news without time, i.e. news can be shown
within six or more months and still wouldn't make any difference all.  For
example, they still have news titled like "Daliang Port recently expanded
with larger capacity", "XiBa County has made great progress in protecting
forest", or "Heath facilities are installed in XYZ villege".

Even back in 1989 when I was in Guangzhou the local TV stations (both
Guangdong and Guangzhou stations) have timely news reflecting daily
activities down things like traffic conditions and produce prices.  Maybe
CCTV should learn a few lessons there.

There are some watchable programs during the test period, such as special
reports about housing Beijing, or free market in Tianjing.  I'm pretty sure
there're good TV series with much less propaganda in China.  Unfortunately
the last few days are full of junks.

It's refreshing to watch programs coming from China.  However, I'm not sure
how long they can attract audience without throwing all those low grade
propaganda, no matter how much financial backing they have.






Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:34191 soc.culture.hongkong:16895 soc.culture.taiwan:16846 talk.politics.china:3605
From: zeng@mth.msu.edu (Zhonggang Zeng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan,talk.politics.china
Subject: Guangxi massacre (Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi... )
Date: 8 Jan 1993 16:31:40 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: maths8.mth.msu.edu


I think the cannibalism was only a small part of Guanxi massacre which
is little known to outside. The one responsible for the massacre was
believed to be Wei Guoching, the communist party head of Guangxi at 
that time. 

In 1966-67, the beginning of CR, One branch of Red Guards, known as
4.22 or Zao4 Fan3 Pai4 ( rebels ? ) humiliated Wei Guoching by taking 
him to parade along the street with an ugly hat on his head. Another 
branch of Red Guands, known as Bao3 Huang2 Pai4 ( "royal" guards ) were 
trying to protect him. Two branches engaged in armed conflict since late 
1967. On July 3, 1968, Mao signed an order to end the war so both sides 
seased fire. Then Wei Guoching came back, ordered the so called "August 20
Revolutionary operation". He uses his "royal" guards, backed by military 
force, disarmed 4.22 rebels and put them into mass killing. The usual way
of killing was machine gun upon dozens of rebels in front of wall. Then
the killing went beyond rebels. "royal" guards killed the landlords who
survived 1950's killing. The massacre lasted several months through out
Guangxi.

How many people were killed in August 20 Revolutionary Operation? 
In early 80's, CCP began investigation about it. When I went back
to Guangxi from college for vacation, I was told a shocking, but not
surprising number: 600,000. That's 10% of Hitler's mass killing of 
Jewish. As a cover up by CCP, Wei Guoching was transfered to Henan 
province and never went back to his hometown. The investigation seemed
unconclusive.

Several years ago in US. I met with a Guangxi fellow whose father was
on the investigation team. I asked him whether the 600,000 was true. He
told me: "It was not true. It was too conservative."
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Looking Back From 2992 - The disastrous 21st century
Date: 12 Jan 93 02:19:47 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

>In the recent Chinese history, the opium war triggered the foreign
>invasion, that can be considered the starting point of downfall.

Speaking of historical patterns, there is one pattern that has
occurred twice in Chinese history, and seems similar to what is
happening on the Mainland today.

(many feuding states) -> (autocratic government for a few decades) -> 
    (more benevolent government for a few centuries)

  Warring States -> Qin -> Han
  Period of Division -> Sui -> Tang

and maybe

  warlord period -> PRC -> ????????

I was struck by this parallel while reading some of the literature of
the Cultural Revolution.  Some of it criticized the Confucianism and
praised the Legalists and the regime of Qin Shi Huang.  Also, the
reign of Qin Shi Huang and the Cultural Revolution were the only two
periods in Chinese history in which there was a systematic effort to
destroy everything that had existed before.
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi during the Cultural Revolution
Date: 11 Jan 1993 14:29:19 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Keywords: Terrible conclusion

In article <1ishu5INNs9b@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin) writes:
>In article <106560@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:

......
>>
>>No way. I have no interest to share the crime of Mao and fighters.
>>Chinese people, especially Chinese intellectuals, and Chinese culture
>>has their(our) own weakness, so that Mao and fighters could commit
>>such crimes. 
>
>  But how do you explain Mao's "direction": " Yao4 Wen2 Dou4, Bu2 You4
>Wu3 Dou4" ( Fight with your pens, not with guns )   
>  Mao never encouraged people to fight/kill each other during CR.
>  That's my understanding, tell me yours if you don't think it;s right.
>
Are you still trusting Mao's open speech? Not even Mao himself when he
was alive.

BTW, Mao also said "good guys beat bad guys. (Huo Gai). good guys beat
good guys, a misunderstanding". Sorry, I don't know how to translate the
word Huo Gai. Also Jianqin said the famous Wengong Wuwei.

I'm not here in defence the wrong doing of Chinese. Very often I think
they deserve for what they've got. (A religious thinking?)
>
Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Rumor: U.S. Selling Nuke Sub to Taiwan?
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:33:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.093426.2367@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> yuanj@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>There is a rumor that the U.S. is going to sell nuclear submarines (6 of them)
>to Taiwan.  Can someone confirm this? 

It is in discussion in U.S., and they are non-nuk.
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 9 women among 10 best
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:48:15 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <105944@bu.edu> pchan@acs.bu.edu (Patrick Chan) writes:
>Stay in the office and get as much money as they could for their families.
>Or . . . being "tortured" by their wives and doing the housekeeping
>job at home . . .

Or spoied by their hard working wifes...

>Hehehe . . . no discrimination, I am a man, too . . .

Me too.

-- 
Want to write in Chinese on PC?  Get dngdng12.zip from 130.49.2.61 in
directory /pub/incoming.  With it, you can post in Chinese too.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Subject: Did Jesus practice qi gong?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 12:37:21 GMT


	I find it interesting that most Chinese I question about Jesus'
"miracles" consider them to be a bunch of horseshit, but almost all of 
these people believe that qi gong is very real (though there are some 
charlatans). If you are in this group, I have a couple of questions for
you:

	(1) Can non-Chinese master qi gong?

	(2) If your answer to (1) is "yes", then do non-Chinese have to learn
		qi gong from a (Chinese) master, or can one learn/discover it
		on one's own?

	Just for the record, I don't believe in either the miracles or in
qi gong. But I do believe in UFOs.

Mark
From: wangf@unixg.ubc.ca (Frank Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Need detailed instructions for making rice wine
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:49:28 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In <1993Jan4.162413.13206@macc.wisc.edu> nmrdb@vms.macc.wisc.edu (BEVERLY SEAVEY) writes:

>  My husband is from Guangzhou and really likes rice wine, which seems
>to be fermented stickey rice still in the fermentation broth, so it is
>like a loose yeasty soup. We got some packages of yeast from Shanghai,
>but the instructions on the back aren't very detailed - they assume
>you already know how to make it. The instructions say
>1) Add yeast to 4 jin of glutinous rice.
>2) keep at 30-32 degrees.


>I assume we should soak and steam the rice? Do we drain it completely
>before adding the yeast? How long does it take to ferment?

I'd like to get a recipe for this, too.  I did twice in last week but 
they were not quite susscessful--not sweet enough.  I don't know the 
reason.

What I did is:

1. Put the rice into cold water for 24 hour;
2. Spreaded it on a piece of cloth;
3. Steamed it for 30 min. (maybe too long);
4. Rinsed the rice with cold water till it was about 30C;
5. Mixed the rice with the yeast (bought from the China Town) completely.
6. Left the rice in an oven (around 30C I believe) for 24 hours.

I did it in China, and it was good.  But now, it's only ok.

Hope some one out there can give me some advice.

Thanks in advance.

F. Wang
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Newwer China
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:31:27 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <C05BEH.H8H@acsu.buffalo.edu> yli@acsu.buffalo.edu (Yanhong Li) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.153148.4587@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>>	near HK is in favor of Patten's reform in a survey.
>
>I donot know where did you get this info. I read a similar news in a
>Taiwan news paper, the title says Patten were still supported by
>HK people, survey also says people in Shen Zhen were surveyed. I got 
>...
>Peoples Daily use the same trick when it is nessary.

	I don't claim to know what people in Shen Zhen knows. I pointed out
	an information that was contrary to a claim that he knows what
	most Chinese thinks. If the report I read (I seldomly read WJ) is
	false, that does not change my challenge to his claim.

	I think there is a reasonable doubt of what people would think
	in Shen Zhen  regardless of survey since they will be impacted
	by the future of HK in the long run. But the bottom line is,
	I don't think we know which sides Chinese will be since their
	opinions don't count even they are asked. I question the claim
	that people is so sure about where most Chinese stands.

>Do you think people(mainlanders) in US are not better informed than 
>those in the special ecnomic zone?

	No. But you know very well that no matter what happens to people
	in HK, it does not matter to you because you are in U.S.
	Put yourself in the shoes of HK people, if you will have to stay
	there for a long time (way after 1997), would you prefer to have
	a say to how government should be operated or have CCP remotely
	control your wellbeings?

	Remember, I pointed out MFN status to China as a comparison. Do
	you form your opinion based on the viewpoints of the people
	affected or otherwise? and why?

Yung-Kao Hsu
From: fyu@fyusparc2.us.oracle.com (Francis H. Yu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi during the Cultural Revolution
Keywords: Terrible conclusion
Date: 9 Jan 93 15:38:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Oracle Corporation
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <93Jan8.155931est.56@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>I think the real problem is that all people went crazy during CR, and
>everyone shares the blames, not only the ccp politicans, afterall,
>it's the people who beat each other up absolutely no good reason,
>you can't blame all the thrid Reich problem on Hilter, the german
>people went along with it, and a lot of them voluntarily.  Germans
							    ^^^^^^^
>was much better educated than chinese, so do the people shooting each other 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>and raping each other's wifes & daughterS in ex-Yugoslavia and in some areasi
>of ex-USSR, ...

I am Chinese, and I am offended.
-- 
Francis H. Yu
Oracle Corporation, 500 Oracle Parkway, Box 659504, Redwood Shores, CA  94065
Email:  fyu@shanghai.oracle.com  Voice:  (415) 506-3129  FAX:  (415) 506-7103
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: kemnitz@netcom.com (Greg Kemnitz)
Subject: Re: Looking Back From 2992 - The disastrous 21st century
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 06:23:48 GMT

It is very dangerous to get trapped into numerology in history - in recent
times, the rise and fall of countries can occur in a matter of decades.
Germany rose in the 19th century, was smashed in WWI, rose again in a very
short time, was again smashed in WWII, and is nearing world power status yet
again.

Similarly, Japan had rapidly industrialized during and after the Meiji only to
be seemingly destroyed in WWII - only to rise from the ashes onto the world
stage only 20 years later.

In general, the relatively massive world population of the 20th century,
coupled with advanced technology, far higher overall educational levels, and
better organized governments and businesses has greatly accelerated the
pace at which history moves and at which power flows about the world over time.

And China has gone from being ruled by a collection of two-bit brigands and
foreign powers in the 1930's to being one of the most dynamic economies and,
increasingly, the land superpower of East Asia.  I think China will do quite
well in the 21st century, in spite of whatever government happens to be in
Beijing.  Only war or some upheaval like the CR could stop China now.

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From: cayula@gandalf.gso.uri.edu (Jean-Francois Cayula)
Subject: Re: China, new and improved - To somewhat anonymous?
Organization: Graduate School of Oceanography
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 17:53:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.104609.13858@fuug.fi>, an3845@anon.penet.fi (Tory) writes:
|> No wonder Mr. Cayula is overjoyed 
|> to find out there has been fear and hatred among Taiwan and Mainland
|> China. Those great nice lovely French people should be very grateful to
|> Mr. Cayula, who seems to be trying his best to incite this hatred.
I am not trying to promote fear and hatred between the people of Taiwan and
Mainland China. I am just upset at a FEW hardliners in scc inciting 
Mainland Chinese to hate French and maybe even any non-Chinese people (see
the debate on Indo-China issues). Sui2ran2 wo3men bu2 dou1 tong2yi4, 
xi1wang4 dou1 ren2 shi4 peng2you3 (maybe I should have said that in 
English to be more understandable: corrections are welcome!).
From: math1pu@jane.uh.edu (Douglas Luo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Rumor: U.S. Selling Nuke Sub to Taiwan?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 14:25 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <ROTEN.93Jan8130511@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov>, roten@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten) writes...
>The topic that won't die returns to SCC !  :-)  
> 
>>>Secondly, if the red China did attack, which would be a stupid move, how
>>>could Taiwan escape from being beaten regardless how many F-16's Mirage-
>>>2000's they've got?
> 
>>Taiwan unlikely will survive the attack, but people in Taiwan
>>want to make sure that PRC will pay a heavy price which they hope
>>will discourage PRC from launching such an attack.
> 
>I hate to disagree with a learned gentleman such as James Ou, but I must.  
> 
>The odds of a successful cross-Strait invasion by the PLA are slim-to-zero.  

But the PLA may not be planning a cross-Strait invasion to start their
attack if they are not stupid.

Since we have not seen many dog-fights in the sky in recent years, it is
difficult to predict which side would be dominant in the air should the
conflict begin. Therefore your arguement does not stand. It is still a
possibility (a slim one, but can't be ignored) that the PLA could wipe  
out Taiwan's Air Force with their tactical nuclear weapons, in which case
PLAAF would enjoy total air supremacy. Finally, with over one hundred
submarines in the PLA navy, a naval blockade by these subs only would  
make life difficult for Taiwan. Neither F-16 nor Mirage-2000 are " anti-sub"
fighters after all. 

People have been talking about a possible conflict across the Strait for
some 30 years now. You must be real green if you truely believe it is 
inevitable. Don't you understand that these politicians need to talk about
war when facing domestic difficulties? Then again, as to what will happen    
in the future, nobody really knows, not even those generals in front of
the military maps. So for ordinary human beings like you and me, why worry?

Douglas Luo 

LIVE BY CHANCE
LOVE BY CHOICE
KILL BY PROFESSION
From: jfeng@vax.cns.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: education association of CSS in USA?
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:25:34 -0500
Organization: Muskingum College

Hi, there.  Does anyone know if there is a educational association of Chinese
students and scholars in USA?  If so, please send me some information.  Thanks.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.indian
From: murali@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (murali.vennam)
Subject: Re: Religious conflict in India
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:49:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.172337.13478@bnr.ca> uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Pooper 2) writes:
>Ref: Dim Soon Lien comments of Budhism & China		
>
>Perhaps Lord Budha should come back to India and bring peace
>and harmony to the people of the sub-continent. Did you know
>the biggest monolithic statue of the Budha is located in Afghanistan.
>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>J.Singh

	IS IT BIGGER THAN THE ONE IN HYDERABAD, A.P.?????

- MURALI.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china