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From: park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Yongsup Park)
Subject: Re: education system
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:01:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.051914.10209@news.yale.edu> jshin@minerva.cis.yale.edu writes:

>it). Anyway, I just got curious about a theoretical physicist
>described above and I asked for information on him on KIDS BBS because I
>could not imagine famous theoretical physicist studying/having studied
>Superstring theory who got Ph.D. from KAIST other than Prof. Koh at KAIST
>As I expected, reply from a Ph.D student at SNU studying high energy physics
>(thus he is an expert on this matter) was that a theoretical
>physics professor at POSTECH with a Ph.D from KAIST does NOT study Superstring
>theory but statistical mechanics which I doubt needs 'knot theory'.  

There was a professor in POSTECH who studied superstring theory and knot
theory as well as parallel computer algorithm, according to the old POSTECH
brochure. His name is Myung YounSoo().  He was a student of Prof. Koh
described above and is by no means world famous. I was told that he failed
to get tenure from POSTECH.  

If we talk about physicists educated in Korea, Prof Koh InKyu() of 
KAIST is the best I can think of.  He got his BS from SoGang University and
PhD from KAIST.  He recently diverted his attention to the computer science
and computer business following the footsteps of Hofstadter and
Schwarz(well, this guy returned to physics recently :).

The reason for Korea not having world-famous physicists(I don't know about
other field of science or math) is partly due to the educational system and
partly due to the way science is done in Korea.  I used to talk to my
friends that in order to get same fame in physics, a physicist in Korea 
have to be about 3 times smarter than a counterpart in the USA.

>
>   Jungshik Shin


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Physics & Astronomy Dept.   \   park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu  /   left as a
Northwestern University      \  B40180@ANLCV1.BITNET     /   blank space.
From: wjin@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: I'm back!
Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:36:07 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodin.cs.uh.edu

In article <tc13.727914684@crux1.cit.cornell.edu> tc13@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (T. H. Brian Chung) writes:
> ....
>got to work in Korea." and Woody writing, "Hey, mae worked for the Korean
>students, it should work on James, too."  :)  

Hey, Brian, come on ...  I did not mean that mae worked for the Koreans
(even though it will work well only on James, ;-)  ).
What I pointed out was that (long time ago - back in 20 yr ago)
  it was a rule to .... (please go back and read if you are interested).

>By the way, I love cows, too...
>once they are killed and chopped up into a nice burger meat or roast beef.

Here you go, again, Brian *The Roasted Beef Lover* Chung  :)

> Oh, and this year, I resolve not to get involved
>in a flame war with certain somebody in this newsgroup, so James, you can
>take that part out from your enlightening "History of a Thread in sck, 
>Part I."  

That is the resolution which every netter makes at the end of every year.
Didn't you know it yet ?

>And to all the passengers on the Korean Air flight who made my life so
>wonderful during the stopover in Anchorage by smoking all the cigarettes,
>I got two words for you:  LUNG CANCER!  
>
>About Korean food, I got one word:  *belch*.  Back home, I ate all the food
>Hyunsuk, et al. discussed before I left.  
>
>About the year of the rooster:  Sae hae bok man i bad eu se yo, everyone
>on this newsgroup.  And you can send your sae bae don, to the address in
>my .sig if it made it in. 

Thank you.  Sae hae omma appa mal jal teutgo, Ehem.
I am enclosing sebe coupon, instead.

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                  1/4 pound Burger  or  Roasted beef

                    with purchase of Rooster Sandwitch

                   expiration date   Jan 26, 93. 
                   effective only in Houston Area.

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|  |   |  |  |  |  W. Woody Jin (wjin@cs.uh.edu)       (o o)      Moo.... 
|  |   |  |__|  |  PhD Student. Research Asst.  o=======\ /  I'm  a Cow Lover.
|  |   |        |  Dept. of Computer Science   / |     ||O   My wife  was born
\  |---|  |--|  |  University of Houston      `  ||'---||    in Cow year. Mooo
 \____/|__|  |__| _______________________________^^    ^^_____________________


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka)
Subject: Do you know what happen to Rikiya Asano ? (forward from SCAA)
Reply-To: g9utxu@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:28:26 GMT

ncl@philabs.philips.com (Nai-Chi Lee) writes
Net etiquette (was Re: Joke about intolerance...)
Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:50:16 GMT


I sent a message to root@andrew.cmu.edu yesterday morning, complaining 
the behavior of Rikiya Asano (ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu) over this news group.  
By afternoon, the system administrator there acknowledged.  Judging from
the fact that Rikiya Asano issued an apology this morning, someone at CMU
must have given him a lecture on net etiquette.

The next time someone uses vulgarity over the network and make inflammatory
remarks (such as equating Singaporean with Japanese), it is not worthwhile
to lower ourself to his level and get into a shouting match.  What usually
works is to find out what organization the offender belongs to, then send 
mail to "root" there, attaching a copy of the offending message, and let 
them take care of the offender.

I hope we all become a little smarter after this recent incidence.
--
Nai-Chi (the "Sabo-King")
From: wjin@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: History of Education in Korea (?)
Date: 22 Jan 1993 04:44:46 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodin.cs.uh.edu


Before we started to discuss about education in Korea,
we might better study the history of education in Korea.

I know that education majors in America take History of Education
(in America) - I think that it is a core course there.

Is there a similar course in Korea also ?
Are there good books, or articles about it ?
Is there any one who has good knowledge about it and
kindly summerize how it evolved (changes, social backgrounds, problems,
good effects, bad effects, ...)?
The summerize itself could be quite big.

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|  |   |  |  |  |  W. Woody Jin (wjin@cs.uh.edu)       (o o)      Moo.... 
|  |   |  |__|  |  PhD Student. Research Asst.  o=======\ /  I'm  a Cow Lover.
|  |   |        |  Dept. of Computer Science   / |     ||O   My wife  was born
\  |---|  |--|  |  University of Houston      `  ||'---||    in Cow year. Mooo
 \____/|__|  |__| _______________________________^^    ^^_____________________


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.TN.Cornell.EDU (Brian Chung)
Subject: Korean Baseball(was Re: Oh yeah, I forgot...
Organization: The Loyal Taxpayers Pub
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:58:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.231330.16374@news.columbia.edu> jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim) writes:
>
>PS. I should have asked you this before you went to Korea. :(
>    Do you know about the availability of data about Korean professional
>    baseball?  Jays fan, Brian?

	Availability of data?  In the United States?  I don't think I know
of any sites that have Korean baseball stats.  Perhaps we should ask some
baseball fan at KAIST to put the stats in their ftp directory.  The only
Korean baseball data I get are from Korean newspapers.  And yes, I am
a bleeding blue Jays fan.  (Pun intended fully, of course.)  I used to
be Samsung Lions fan when I was living in Korea, but now, I don't recognize
anyone anymore...except Lee Man Su, Babe Ruth of Korea.


-- 
T. H. Brian Chung               | Happiness is...
jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu      | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
jfe@cornella.bitnet             | 210 Lake St. Apt. 11-A
CESR10::THC                     | Ithaca, NY 14850
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Subject: Re: Korean Baseball(was Re: Oh yeah, I forgot...
Reply-To: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:29:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.005807.12665@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.TN.Cornell.EDU (Brian Chung) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.231330.16374@news.columbia.edu> jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim) writes:
>>
>>PS. I should have asked you this before you went to Korea. :(
>>    Do you know about the availability of data about Korean professional
>>    baseball?  Jays fan, Brian?
>
>	Availability of data?  In the United States?  I don't think I know
>of any sites that have Korean baseball stats.  Perhaps we should ask some
>baseball fan at KAIST to put the stats in their ftp directory.  The only
>Korean baseball data I get are from Korean newspapers.  

I didn't expect the on-line stats, although it would mostly definitely be
awsome.  I should ask my friends in KAIST.  They are baseball fans alright,
though they are lazy.  

I was wondering they have some publications with comprehensive stats,
comparable to Bill James', Elias' etc even without researches.

>And yes, I am
>a bleeding blue Jays fan.  (Pun intended fully, of course.) 

I probably wouldn't forgive Jays to take Cone away from Mets, but hey, I
should shoot Mets management first, so...

> I used to
>be Samsung Lions fan when I was living in Korea, 

Yeah!!!

>but now, I don't recognize anyone anymore...

Same here. :(

>except Lee Man Su, Babe Ruth of Korea.

:)  Maybe in weights?  Actually, I am pretty impressed that he is still
playing well.  Power-hitting catcher is a valuable commodity.

Andrew Kim
From: Jinwon Choi <jchoi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Finding an e-mail address in Korea
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:33:46 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]



Dear Korean Netters,

I need a help. A friend of mine asked me how to get an e-mail address in Korea.
He wants to contact somebody in the Department of Chemistry, Pusan National 
University. If you know one of e-mail addresses of PNU or know how to get it, 
please let me know. 

P.S.: You can directly send an e-mail to my friend.
	His e-mail address : changban@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

Thanx in advance.

Jin Won Choi.


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GRA (Programmer), ACS   (Academic Computing Services) 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tc13@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (T. H. Brian Chung)
Subject: I'm back!
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:31:24 GMT

Greetings, my fellow grade and wage slaves.  I'm finally back from beautiful
Seoul.  And I got two words for you:  Murphy's Law.  I'm beginning to 
assume that there is an inter-galactic conspiracy to stop me from reading
and posting news.  It's a long story, but let's just say everything about
my alchemy.tn.cornell.edu account that could go wrong has gone wrong.

Perhaps a brief summary of my break.  First, the election.  As I predicted
YS won.  DJ retired - a good move.  The man just assured himself at least
a page in the high school textbook.  And CY is making fool of himself like
nobody else can.

About Seoul traffic, I got two words: !@#$^ maniacs.  Each time I go back,
the drivers seem to lose their mind more and more, even my mom and dad who
were such an exemplary drivers in Canada.  I suggest the new Korean government
legislate a mandatory Zen lesson to all the drivers.  Perhaps that'll bring
back the peace of mind necessary when driving.

About Korean education, I got one word:  *snore*.  Sorry, I got bored sifting
through weeks of old articles and didn't really read anything.  All I caught
was James's Realpolitik approach to education, "Hey, it works in Brazil, it's
got to work in Korea." and Woody writing, "Hey, mae worked for the Korean
students, it should work on James, too."  :)  By the way, I love cows, too...
once they are killed and chopped up into a nice burger meat or roast beef.

About Korean food, I got one word:  *belch*.  Back home, I ate all the food
Hyunsuk, et al. discussed before I left.  

About the year of the rooster:  Sae hae bok man i bad eu se yo, everyone
on this newsgroup.  And you can send your sae bae don, to the address in
my .sig if it made it in.  Oh, and this year, I resolve not to get involved
in a flame war with certain somebody in this newsgroup, so James, you can
take that part out from your enlightening "History of a Thread in sck, 
Part I."  

And to all the passengers on the Korean Air flight who made my life so
wonderful during the stopover in Anchorage by smoking all the cigarettes,
I got two words for you:  LUNG CANCER!  


--
T. H. Brian Chung                | Happiness is...
jfe@crux1.cit.cornell.edu        | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
jfe@cornella.bitnet              | 210 Lake St. Apt. 11-A
CESR10::THC                      | Ithaca, NY 14850
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.TN.Cornell.EDU (Brian Chung)
Subject: Oh yeah, I forgot...
Organization: Frobozz Magick Co.    
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:31:45 GMT

	One thing I forgot to mention in my last article about Seoul was
the state of popular music in Korea.  It still sucks.  Seo Tae Ji and the
Kids really need to stop singing and dressing like NKOTB.  And to all the
fans of Hyun Jin Young, I have one word:  Malcolm!  X stands for Malcolm, not
Hyun Jin Young.  What really shocked me was, though, was the amount of
sampling going on.  These 'singers' were passing off other rappers works
as their own--one of them even proudly proclaimed that he, Big Daddy Kane and
DWI started the rap scene.  Just before I left, the government legislated
a tougher laws for software copyright protection, and if they don't do the
same for music, someone's going to make David Bowie-Vanilla Ice suit look
miniscule.
-- 
T. H. Brian Chung               | Happiness is...
jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu      | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
jfe@cornella.bitnet             | 210 Lake St. Apt. 11-A
CESR10::THC                     | Ithaca, NY 14850
From: kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: education system
Date: 22 Jan 1993 15:48:24 -0500
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu

In article <1jo66eINNlm2@menudo.uh.edu> wjin@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.002239.20798@news.columbia.edu> jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim) writes:
>
>>Sometimes you realize the major you chose in
>>highschool was not what you thought it to be, so you want to change but the
>>*system* does not allow you to do that.  
>>Switching major is generally
>>restricted and you will have to either learn to like what you have, or the
>>hell with it and start all over, or keep being confused and frustrated.  In
>>any case, it's either a waste of time or a way to achieve mediocrity at
>>best.
>

Not necessarily true anymore. Even though almost all colleges still restrict
changing majors, future is pretty bright. And speaking from my experience,
I entered college withough specific major (just "natural science") and then
was in physics department for some time and then changed to something called
management science (which now appears on my diploma). [And again I changed
to economics coming to grad school].

>Many colleges in Korea tried something to resolve the above problem.
>It is so-called "KeYeolByeol". 
>It simply didn't work, since, for example,  students in Engineering School 
>wants Electronics Engineering, whether they really like it or not.
>And the number of professors was far behind to catch the number of students.
>

Of course, we had some trouble in proper distribution at our college, but
I feel it worked pretty well.  Somehow if you are give a chance to change
your majors, you're tempted to do so.. that was some problem..(which I finally
gave in. :) ).
I also know that Seoul Nat'l University now has a big department called
"Electrical,Electronic and Control Engineering" which consists of three or
four departments in old terms. They are trying to build an independent school
(called "HakBoo") since the size already surpasses that of some other colleges
in SNU.  I think this is somehow a trend in Korean universities.

Time is changing. :)
-- 
 Sung Hyun Kim    kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu : Economics, Johns Hopkins U.
From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Byungtae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re:copyright
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:18:46 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas
NNTP-Posting-Host: emx.cc.utexas.edu


 From: jfe@alchemy.TN.Cornell.EDU (Brian Chung) wrote:

> 	Perhaps, or maybe we are all just self-righteous bastards.  :)  I
> for one, am not a CS major, but I consider myself a semi-creative person who
> enjoys writing stuffs, be it a poetry, a short story, or a humourous
> Usenet posting.  :)

      Yes, you are! I have enjoyed a lot for free.
> 
> among others, as a leverage in trade negotiations.  Do we risk losing our
> MFN status in the US by insisting on not protecting intellectual property?

     Minor correction: As far as I remember, Korean was evicted of MFN status
     quite long time back.

> But more important than that, is the development of the domestic industry.
> The computer industry in Korea is now beginning to develop thanks to some
> very talented young programmers.  I believe AraeA Hangul was developed
> as a school project, at first.  (Can someone check this fact?)  I don't
>   [deleted some good stuff]
> didn't think of the long-term benefits.  Protecting intellectual property
> means protecting our domestic industry as well as the foreign industry.

     The porblem is that copyright burden is not limited in only computer
industry. The other industries, such as chemical, electronic appliances,
pharmaceutic, especially semicondutor coputer chip industry, have to pay a
lot.

> 	Times, they are a-changin'.  When our grandparents were growing
> up and going to school, there weren't any computer programmers, professional
> authors and songwriters.  Now there are.  It is a simple matter of facing
> the reality and letting people know that people don't write books and
> computer programs for the sake of writing anymore.  Maybe there are very
> few people who still do that, but most people expect to buy food with the
> money they earned from selling their books, programs and records.

     Thanks for good explanation. I am subscribing to your justification here.

> 	Interesting logic, but would you say the same to a Korean software
> company?  Perhaps you wouldn't, but remember, if everyone keeps insisting
> on your logic, IBM will eventually pull out of Korea for lack of profit, and
> those patriotic marketing representatives, along with many others who work
> for IBM Korea, will lose their job.  Are you going to hire them?

    Still they are making too much money from Korea even though totoal revenue
   of IBM Korea is about .5% of total IBM revenue.  It's becoming a de
facto monopoly in Korean mainframe market.  I wish I could here them. :-)

Byungtae Lee (btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu)  
Tel. 512)471-1679(O), 478-3779(H)  Fax. 512) 471-0587
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Tel. 512)471-1679(O), 478-3779(H)  Fax. 512) 471-0587
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: rpark@stam.QE.Bell.CA (Richard Park)
Subject: Re: I met Woncheol Choi
Reply-To: rpark@stam.bell.ca
Organization: CER, Bell Canada
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 16:01:05 GMT

In article <8fKmNU600VpbE2ZV8s@andrew.cmu.edu>, Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> Friends,
|> 
|> Feel guilt. You damn right I feel guilt! And, I feel pain too and I feel
|> tried of feeling this way. But, I know that it is human! There are no
|> words that I can express that would represent to pain and sorrow in my
|> heart. This is intensifying the frustration. 
|> 
Ah??? Is this article to be taken seriously???
Suppose I have a friend and he murders someone. What he does is his 
responsibility. Now, if I had suspected that he was about to do something
"bad" then I would feel guilty and ashamed that I did not do something to 
prevent it from happening. I am Korean but am not reponsible for the actions
of all Koreans especially if it happened years ahead of my existence. I
have a Japanese Friend but I don't hold him responsible for what Japanese 
people did years ago before his existence.

|> I met Woncheol Choi. I don't think that I can meet him again! I feel ashamed.

-- 
Richard Park
From: ahwg@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Andrew Hwang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Liberalized Rules for Koreans Studying Abroad
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:11:08 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York


While sck is focused on education ...

It seems to me that there are a lot more Koreans studying in US these days,
especially young students. Many are just out of high school, some not even.
The most common reason seems to be that it is just too difficult to get into
college in Korea.

In my opinion (and observations at U of Illinois at Urbana, where I went as an
undergraduate), the success rate for these students are not too high. As many
of sck readers can relate, adjusting to living in a new society can be quite
traumatic, even for most mature, responsible, intelligent students. But to
ask 17, 18 year olds to cope with such adjustment is too demanding. I'm sure
these students have financially stable families, with great zeal for their
children's education, but I wonder if they fully realize the risk involved.

The similar trend seems to be true for college graduates. If a person gra-
duated from a so-so college in Korea, the thing to do to improve their resume
is to spend a year or so in US studying English. While it can be a worthwhile
investment, movitation is everything in studying a language and a lot of
people seem to be more motivated about living abroad than studying.

Even in light of all this, it is still good that opportunities are being made
available to more people in Korea to study abroad. The trend also speaks
about economic growth and welfare improvement in Korea. In principle, I think
nothing should be done about the general trend. After all, investing in
human capital is a good thing. 

However, I'm sure there are still many qualified people who cannot afford to
study abroad. I'm talking about people who have done well in good colleges
and can benefit greatly from graduate studies abroad. How about setting
a tax scheme to help such people? What do you think about taxing people who
send minors abroad to study and/or people who study only in language programs?
People with money will continue to do so, with or without tax, and perhaps
more qualified, needy people can benefit.
 
Your comments are appreciated.

Andrew Hwang
Dept of Economics
Univ of Rochester
ahwg@troi.cc.rochester.edu

Of course, all opinions are solely mine and mine only.