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From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFL_1992 Scoreboard: Playoff Forecasts
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:58:49 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
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In article <1992Oct14.135643.8104@csc.ti.com>, rscott@ra.csc.ti.com (Roderick Scott) writes:
> In article <1992Oct12.231853.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
>>As of today, the computer program predicts:
>>
>>AFC Championship: Houston vs. Buffalo
>>NFC Championship: Washington vs. San Francisco
>>
>>Super Bowl: Washington vs. Buffalo
>>
>>Super Bowl Champion: WASHINGTON REDSKINS
>
>What Is Your Bases (DATA) For This Forecast.?? Not A Cowboy Fan, But You Got To
>Count Them In The BIG DANCE..

Dear Mr. Mixed-Case (tm),

Check out my post entitled "NFL_1992 Scoreboard: Predict/track NFL games" for
a description of this program and how it works.

As for why Dallas isn't in the picture, look at the "Power Ratings" post.  A
lot of teams are ranked ahead of Dallas.
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
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	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
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From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Subject: Re: Best In Tejas
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:23:10 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Oct16.145119@IASTATE.EDU> rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner) writes:
>In article <Bw817w.1K2@rice.edu>,  () writes:
>> In article <1992Oct16.033734.10322@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>,
>> c164-eh@po.berkeley.edu (William Hackett) wrote:
> > 
>>     Yeah, wouldn't it be interesting to see Dallas play Houston in the
>> big game (O.K., a real long shot, I admit).  I suppose the networks 
>> wouldn't be too happy (too 'regional' a matchup), but it would add another
>> silly 'first' to the recordbooks (first intrastate Superbowl).  
>                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>What about the Bills vs Giants?  
>(or do you regard the Giants and the Jets as New Jersey teams
>since they play in East Rutherford)
>

Doesn't everyone? After all isn't it only a marketing ploy to call these
NJ teams, NY?


Tom Wolf
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Steve Young to Jerry Rice (Was Re: Rating the QBs)
Date: 9 Oct 1992 15:08:07 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <1992Oct9.090458.1607@comp.lancs.ac.uk> marc@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Marc Goldman) writes:
>Yes i've noticed Rice's drop off in production too.
>
>Young?? Is there something about the way he throws that makes Rice not
>his key target?? I'm sure Rice still made the play with Bono in, whereas
>Taylor seemed to get the play with Young at the helm.
>
   I don't think Rice's drop in production has anything to do with Young
   in at quarterback. Look at last year. Rice still had 80 receptions and
   led the league (among receivers) in TDs. And that was with a bum leg
   for about six weeks. What was it, a torn ligament or something?

   This year he's been knocked around. Had a concussion early one week. 
   Although Young's running might take a couple plays a game away from the
   passing attack, I don't think Rice's lack of production this year has
   anything to do with Young. In the two games I've seen, Young just seems
   to be missing on his throws when the pass is intended for Rice. Watch,
   Rice will explode for about 180 yards and 3 TDs within three weeks.

   --salty

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From: jason@cray.com (Jason Parker)
Subject: Re: NFL TEAM STAT PROJECT 10/9/92
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 9 Oct 92 10:46:51 CDT

In article <1992Oct9.144643.6184@cis.ohio-state.edu>, martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Oct9.082951.7208@walter.cray.com> jason@cray.com (Jason Parker) writes:
> 
> >****** NFL TEAM STAT PROJECT ******
> 
> 	[ ... ]
> 
> >PASSING
> >Gannon 20-36-3 175 P
> 
> I've seen the 'P' at the end of the passer's line a few times now.
> Does it signify anything?  Thanks.
> -- 
> 	Don't waste your time waving your hands
> 	and hoping when a rock or a club will do.
> 
> -- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
> 

Read all the way to the bottom....

OTHER NOTES 
*= Home Team
P= Touchdown Pass Thrown
T= Touchdowns Scored
F= Field Goal Scored (number in parens is distance)
X= Extra Point Scored
PASSING: completions,attempts,interceptions, TD passes

Jason
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From: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui)
Subject: Update on Dexter Carter
Reply-To: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 06:20:20 GMT

     The Oilers are serious about acquiring Dexter Carter.  It was reported
that the 49ers asked for Cris Dishman but the Oilers refused.  Now the
Niners ask for the Oilers #1 pick for 1993.  Here is the original article
from the Houston Chronicle (Oct 7):
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
      The Oilers could be closer to acquiring San Francisco RB Dexter
Carter.
      Oilers GM Mike Holovak and 49ers VP/football operations John McVay
talked again Tuesday about a trade for the 5-9, 170 pound Carter, who
would be moved to receiver in the run-and-shoot.
      Sources say the 49ers asked for cornerback Cris Dishman last week,
and Holovak refused.  Now, according to the sources, the 49ers have asked
for the Oilers #1 pick in 1993.
      Holovak refused to discuss specifics about the trade but didn't try
to hide his enthuiasm for Carter.
      "I've been sold on Carter since he was in college (FSU), but I still
don't want to give up a player," Holovak said. "He's got great speed and
quickness.  He can catch.  He runs well.  He's tough, too."
      Although they signed free-agent WR Webster Slaughter last week, the
Oilers still want Carter.  He has the speed to play outside receiver and 
the quickness to play in the slot.
      Carter is on IR, but he has recovered from shoulder injury.  The 49ers
are placing him on the practice squad this week so he can return to practice.
      Carter, who was San Francisco's #1 pick in 1990, is under contract
through 1993.  He earns a base salary of $370,000 this season, including
reporting and roster bounses.  He gets $420,000 in 1993, including a $375,000
base salary.
      Carter caught 25 and 23 passes during his first 2 seasons.
      The 49ers are interested in defensive backs because their opponents'
statistics for passing yards (261 per game) and completion percentage (62.1)
are their worst since 1980.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

      The Oilers have a lot of young DBs that they drafted last year.  May be
they are willing to part with one of them if the 49ers lower their offer.
I don't think Carter is worth a #1 pick right now, and the Niners need some
immediate help on their secondary.  Another reason that the Niners may not
want to trade away Carter at this moment is because they have already dealt
Keith Henderson to the Vikings two weeks ago.  They're suddenly thin at RB
(As I recall, Watters, Lee, and Rathman are the only active backs.  Mark 
Logan is used primilary as a KR).  Anyway, I think it will be good for both
the Niners and Carter if this trade is made.  With the emergence of Watters,
and with Amp Lee waiting on the wings, Dexter won't have a very bright 
future with the team.

Edward Hui
From: yasin18@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: RE:EAGLES ARE OVERATTED
Date: 12 Oct 92 00:40:51 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Disclaimer: this is not a flame, just the facts.

The posting by one BRAD.R.NEWBERG is a result of his hatred for the EAGLES.  
I personally know MR. NEWBERG and guess what?  He is a Dallas COWBOYS fan who
got their asses kicked on Monday night.  Furthermore MR.NEWBERG just happen to
lose a huge sum of dinero on the EAGLES today.  His comments are not objective
and should not be posted on this network.  This newsgroup is here for the
discussion of football, not a vent for certain people's hatred and anger for
certain football teams.
                       Thank You sincerely 
                                           Mr.Yasin

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From: centry@athena.mit.edu (Jae H Nam)
Subject: Reggie White...in San Diego.
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:53:20 GMT

This is just out of curiosity.  I'm an Eagles fan,
and I noticed that there's a guy on the Chargers named
Reggie White.

I believe he's a rookie, plays DT, and weighs about 290lbs.
Just wondering if he's anywhere near as good as the original,
and if he gets any flak about his name? Heh.

:)
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From: jimmyb@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jimmy Black)
Subject: Re: Dallas killed by Philly
Organization: University of Hawaii
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:57:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.00124.1161@ms.uky.edu> thomasc@ms.uky.edu (Thomas Campbell) writes:
>i didn't see, I didn't think I had too.. Dallas was beaten by Philly?
>I was *not* expecting it.  What happened? I'm not a big Dallas fan
>but, i do know there's a hell of a lot of talent on that team.  
>What happened???
>
>Alex
>

DALLAS GOT WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Subject: Re: AFC-Daydreams
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:02:43 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


I accept that the Chiefs were fired up against the Eagles and the
Eagles were a little off color that day.  In addition to that
Krieg was super-hot and had a pass for a TD, which could have
been intercepted.

However, a win is a win and congratulations are due to the Chiefs.
Honestly, the Eagles looked awsome against Dallas and it
looked like they would go 16-0.

S.H
Go Vikes!!
From: aj639@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Cox)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Miami WIns!  Bills Lose!  Eagles Lose!  49ers Escape! Giants too...
Date: 13 Oct 1992 11:52:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aj639@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Cox)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU (Go GIANTS!) says:

>So Mike you must be psyched for your team, dont wet your pants now....
Too late.  ;)

Mike
THE Dolfan Mike
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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Giants/Phoenix 1:PM Meadowlands
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:06:08 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.57.718567729@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU> Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU (Go GIANTS!) writes:
>Well, I just scored a tix to the Sunday 1:PM Giants game...
>
>So I really dont pay much attention to Phoenix (does anyone?) so can any 
>Phoenix fans give me some predictions on what to look for?


Of course someone pays attention to Phoenix. The Cards are not as bad as
their record, but not as good a win over the Redskins would make you think.

If the Giants can run the ball, they will win. If they cannot they might
lose. The Redskins were not able to dominate the game on the ground, they
had a big lead, but they were unable to just grind it out on the ground,
and Rypien made two bad throws and turned the game around.

If the giants secondary is as bad as some of the Giants posters have
suggested, the Cards could do some damage. Chandler is plaing very well
(he is probably going to be in his 3rd QB controversy when Rosenbach
comes back), and Proehl, Jones and Hill are 3 quality receivers.

If the Cards run the ball well, they play well. Johnson will get more work
this week, so the running game should be better.

Should be a close game, I am actually glad it will be Hostetler over
Simms, the Cards do not have a great pass rush so escapability is less
important against them, pocket passing is more valuable, and Simms
is better at that IMHO.




Russ Smith
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From: exujeff@exu.ericsson.se (Jeff Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikings vs Bears
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:54:08 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article <1992Oct7.141505.17590@unislc.uucp> jag@unislc.uucp (John Ganske) writes:
>Path: exucom.exu.ericsson.se!texsun!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!news2me.ebay.sun.com!sun-barr!ames!haven.umd.edu!uunet!unislc!jag
>From: jag@unislc.uucp (John Ganske)
>Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
>Subject: Re: Vikings vs Bears
>Message-ID: <1992Oct7.141505.17590@unislc.uucp>
>Date: 7 Oct 92 14:15:05 GMT
>References: <1992Oct6.182852.735@macc.wisc.edu>
>Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
>Lines: 15

>heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM       ) writes:


>>The Vikes are a better team than Detroit.  Not as much better as 4-1 
>>vs 1-4 might indicate but the Vikings are definately a better team.

>>They are not in the same class as Philly, Houston, or SF.  That 
>>doesn't mean they couldn't pull off an upset or 2.

             HOUSTON??!!??!!??!!??
             What in the world does Houston have?  An average O-LINE and a
             swiss cheese defense.

             PHILLY IS THE ONLY TEAM I AM CONCERNED ABOUT ON THE SCHEDULE.
             49ers D is prime for the VIKES O.  Somothering Young is the 
             KEY to stopping the 49ers attack.

             Walker will be interesting to see though.  I 
             predict by then he will be back to his normal performance 
             level.

/jeff
             >They are not in the same class as Green Bay, but they 
may very well be>in the same class as Houston or SF.  I dunno, maybe Houston 
and SF are in>another class because of their depth when compared to the 
Vikings' lack of>depth.

>John Ganske
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From: mfiguero@lonestar.utsa.edu (Miguel . Figueroa)
Subject: Re: Dallas Philly NFC championship game?
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:26:01 GMT


I don't know !!   It would be a hell of a matchup, but a lot of
things can happen between now and December. Injuries may plague
either one of these teams, especially the way they were hitting
in Monday Night's Game.


Mike
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on yesterday's games
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:22:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.171046.12724@hellgate.utah.edu> twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.022638.11880@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>>In article <1992Oct14.005023.22133@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>>>In article <27000119@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> divitt@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Mark Divitt) writes:
>>>>  [ deleted text ]
>>
>>I have to agree with John here. Young is much better at eluding tacklers
>>than Cunningham; he truly is a magician at it. Cunningham is probably
>>stronger than Young, which closes the gap a little bit, but overall Young
>>is much more dangerous in the open field. And, he is smarter, too. I
>>can't think of too many times where I've seen Young decide to run and
>>*NOT* accomplish what he expected to do, which is usually to pick up
>>a first down. Rarely does his decision to tuck it in and run with it
>>backfire.
>>
>
>True, I agree that Young is probably a better runner. But, I have to admit,
>I sure love the way Cunningham cartwheels when he gets hit during his runs.
>Young just kind of puts his head down and tries to bowl his way through, or
>nowadays, he sometimes slides. But Cunningham seems to love being hit low
>and tumbling through the air. Looks pretty cool!
>
>Tom Wolf

Yeah, I have observed Cunningham do his cartwheels. The only thing
wrong with the picture is that Cunningham is not participating in
an Olympic event.  His cartwheels are a result of a great hit. I
think the hits are cool and his cartwheels will possibly end up
in him having a severe neck injury. I just cannot imagine Cunningham
loving the idea of getting hit low and then finding himself seeing
the horizon flip flop on him. Yeah, sounds like fun to me. NOT! :-)
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
"I do not think that winning is the most important thing. 
I think winning is the only thing."    - Bill Veeck
From: rjk@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Raymond K)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas was beaten by bad luck, not the eagles!
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:08:09 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Howard Hughes Medical Institute
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In article <1992Oct07.130201.5243@bnr.ca> jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond) writes:
>
>                                                         What I
>saw was an aggressive mature Philly team beat a young lets-try-not-to-lose
>Dallas team. All teams have to lose to learn how to win.

Agreed.  The biggest difference in Philly now as opposed to Philly
in the Buddy Ryan years is that they've matured.  They know what they
have to do in order to win, and by knowing this, it makes it easier to
actually execute these things.  A young team like Dallas has to go 
through these things.

>	Dallas fan's. This is a young team that come this far by learning
>from their mistakes (coaching staff also). There is always next time.

I know.  I think that's a big asset of JJ, his coaches, and the players
on this team.  They learn from their mistakes.  I think the offensive
line learned from last year's 11-sack game vs. Philly and I'm hoping
Troy learns something about forcing balls and throwing with defensive
linemen on you.




Ray   GO COWBOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Status of Packers' Darrell Thompson?
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:42:45 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Oct10.203426.23959@cis.ohio-state.edu>, martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens) writes...

>I think he was activated on Wednesday.  From the 10/8 Packer Plus,
>p. 18: "The Packers didn't have to cut one of their fullbacks to
>activate Thompson on Wednesday, since they had an open roster spot
>after waiving cornerback Lewis Billups.  Even with Billups gone,
>the Packers still have four cornerbacks on their roster."

Well, yeah, the report I heard on the radio was worded almost exactly 
the same way.  I guess that means he's been activated.

BTW, I guess you could say my prediction that the Packers would cut a 
DB to make room for Thompson came true.  I didn't expect it to be 
Billups though.  I thought they'd cut a safety and move a CB to 
safety.

JGH
From: v073pzuy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Mr. Tinkertrain)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Miami Dolphins
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:38:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct8.162506.18073@ntmtv>, weitzeka@ntmtv.UUCP writes...
>In article <Bvs8u8.JxI@acsu.buffalo.edu> v130pwbq@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu 
	(ANTI-CHRIST) writes:
>>Here is the Miami Dolphin schedule. Along side each game a have placed a number.
>>1 - should have no problem winning, 2 - should win/could be close,
>>D 14 LA Raiders       (1) 

>   The Raiders on Monday night and Miami is going to win with no
>problems? I don't think so.  The Raiders have the Dolphins number.
>I cannot remember when the last time that the Dolphins beat the
>Raiders in regular season.  The Raiders are always tough on
>Monday night.  Hopefully, the Dolphins will do as you and look
>past the Raiders, then the Raiders will go to Maimi and crush
>the unexpecting Dolphans.

Hell, I can't remember the last time the Dolphins *played* the Raiders during
the regular season!

I don't remember the Chiefs having many problems with the Raiders on Monday
night either, for that matter...

>A die hard Raider fan
>I bleed silver and black

					---Chet Zeshonski
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From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Review of Steelers vs. Browns
Organization: Clark University
Date: 14 OCT 92 02:00:17 GMT

Would some kind soul please post stats/opinions of this game, as unbiased
as possible if you would. I didn't see the game or any highlights.

Thanks in advance,

Bart
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From: awhitton@bnr.ca (Alan Whitton)
Subject: Re: Colts and Bills
Reply-To: awhitton@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:09:57 GMT

In article <Bw4Fxu.L60@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v130pwbq@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST) writes:
|> I don't know how many of you out there have noticed but after this sunday's
|> game, at home against I believe Cleveland, the Indianapolis Colts could be
|> 4-2. This would put them in a tie with the Bills. When you think about it,
|> it's kinda funny how a team that went 1-15 last year could be tied with a
|> team that went 13-3 and to the Super Bowl the same year.  

Read this as 'Bills play WINNING teams' and 'Colts play LOSING teams' :-)

The way the league 'cream puffs' the schedules for 'weaker' teams, it is
not really that surprising that the 'Dolts are 3-2.

Regards,
Alan Whitton
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