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From: haupt@cs.columbia.edu (Marcus E. Haupt)
Subject: Who's In The Pen
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:15:30 GMT

In article <Bz8533.Go7@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> sl313028@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jazz (I've got)) writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.155701.4258@ultb.isc.rit.edu> ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>>In article <ByzzG4.F1x@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, cnahm@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Charles Nahm) writes:
>...deleted...
>>
>>Where'd you hear this at?  If it's true that's messed up.  I liked her debut
>>album.  Let's see, the Jail Crew All-Stars now feture:
>>
>>Lead Male Vocals  : MC Ricky D aka Slick Rick
>>Lead Female Vocals: Michie Mee
>>Beat Box          : Big Daddy (formely The Human Beat Box), if he was ever
>>                    sentenced
>>Body Guard        : The Guy From LL's crew who supposedly raped that girl
>>                    on tour
>>
>>Who else is in the pen?
>>

Well What About These Guys?


Tour Manager:	 Tu-Pac's, who shot somebody on tour a couple of months ago...

Promoter:	 Puff Daddy, who'e not in jail but should be after his carelessness
			     and greed left over 10 dead at a Rap show at City
			     College (NYC) last summer.

Manager:	 Stetsasonic's, who shot another Manager over first prize at the 
				DJ Mix Off at the 1989 New Music Festival at 
				the (old) Ritz in New York.


Guest Star: 	Flavor Flav,  between Crack smoking and beating up his girlfriends
				he'll be around every once in a while...


DJ Master Of Scientists
Dope Vector Productions


-- 
Marcus Haupt           "Two Truntables and an X-Server"
Dept. of Comp. Sci.				
Columbia University
haupt@cs.columbia.edu
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From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (T-Dub - SGP '92)
Subject: Re: Shaq and FuSchnicks
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 15:57:01 GMT

In article <ByzzG4.F1x@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, cnahm@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Charles Nahm) writes:
>Canadian rapper Michie Mee, was sentenced to 18 months in
>jail for attempting to smuggle marijuana into Canada from
>Jamiaca. Anyone know any more on this?? I liked her single
>"Jamaican Funk"...

Where'd you hear this at?  If it's true that's messed up.  I liked her debut
album.  Let's see, the Jail Crew All-Stars now feture:

Lead Male Vocals  : MC Ricky D aka Slick Rick
Lead Female Vocals: Michie Mee
Beat Box          : Big Daddy (formely The Human Beat Box), if he was ever
                    sentenced
Body Guard        : The Guy From LL's crew who supposedly raped that girl
                    on tour

Who else is in the pen?

What a crew it coulda been if Run was convicted :)

                                     T-Dub
                                     SHYGUY Productions
Organization: Sophomore, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 13:33:58 -0500 
From: Michael Anthony Carnevale <mc78+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Final Call

-
-
The Final Call's address is in the liner notes of Paris' "Devil..."

Here's the addresss and phone:

The Final Call
734 West 79th Street
Chicago, IL  60620

(312) 602-1230


And I'm out.

-Mack-


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From: slm4@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Twilight Productions)
Subject: Re: Pete Nice's New Album
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:35:43 GMT

gregg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Gregg Kenausis) writes:

>What happened to Prime Minister Pete Nice's latest album?
>I read a review about four months ago and have not seen any sign of it
>in stores.
>Please email me with any information on this matter. It would be greatly 
>appreciated.

>					Thanks, 
>					Gregg
tis out. Well, it's out here in NY anyways, y'all backwater folkz might
have to wait a litttle. Pete & Richie Rich (now called "Big Daddy Rich" i 
think, believe it or not...)

Anyways, supposed to be somewhat phat but I don't know 4 sure yet...

DaddyMike
Twilight Productions
Strong Island, LI NY

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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: 1992 Hip Hop Album Releases
Organization: Blue Riddle Productions
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:40:28 GMT

In article <BzApIB.6D7@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> ittschir@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Tim Tschirner) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.192904.4769@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (T-Dub - SGP '92) writes:
>|> To refresh everyone's memory, here is a quick list I compiled of all the hip
>|> hop album releases I could remember for 1992.  Hopefully this will help in the
>|> votes not all going to Ice Cube since he had the most recent release.  Also
>|> included are some hip hop influenced albums like Mary J. Blige.  Let me know
>|> what I forgot (I know I missed some people, but I could not remember or find
>|> everything).
>|> 
>|>                                      T-Dub
>|>                                      SHYGUY Productions
>|> 
>|> HIP HOP ALBUMS OF 1992:
>|> -----------------------
>|> House Of Pain "Shamrocks & Shenanigans"
>I could be wrong, but wasn't the title "Fine Malt Lyrics"

Officially, the House of Pain LP is self-titled.  The "Fine Malt Lyrics" bit
of it is simply part of the groups crest.  Those who have the "Jump Around"
12" may notice that crest in full effect on the cover.  But the LP is simply
called "House of Pain."

>Tim
>
>ittschir@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de


-- 
--David J.-----------------------*********************************************
--Blue Riddle Productions 1993---   "RAP IS AN ART/TURN UP THE MICROPHONE"
--dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu-          Coming in 1993 from BRP.
--The Science is upon us...------*********************************************
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Subject: Re: Tha Bizness.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:52:23 +0000

>Alright, I'm braced for the hate mail from tortured 
>artists...:-)

Not at all; it's good to see a bit of common sense from time to time.

                      Nick Rothwell  |  "Say, how many contemporary dancers
   CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance  |     are there in this bar?"
        cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk  |  "Dunno; count the Dr. Martens
        cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk  |     and divide by two..."
From: fedde@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Heavy D's New Single
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:00:01 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minsk.docs.uu.se

Tyrone Ellison <U14864@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

> Yo... Anybody out there heard Heavy D's new one "Who's the Man"?... I 
> heard it the other day, and I think that it's one of the first singles 
> he put out that didn't directly "cross over" (ie "Now that We've Found 
> Love" and "We Got Our Own Thang")... It's in there, and I hope the rest 
> of his new album has the same flavor.

I wonder one thing, now that we have gotten to Heavy D. Why is it that this
man doesn't get dissed for crossing over? I mean, we all know how we reacted
when we saw L.L do "Who's afraid of the big bad Wolf" or when Kane crossed
over the way he did. People have treated Heavy D as if he was one of the great
ones, which in some way he is, but stil he hasn't got powerfully dissed...

He seems to have gotten some suport from other rappers and therefor he seems
to have been left alone to play his game...anyone have an idea of why this is
like this?

I'm ghost...

A great shoutout for Xmas to the whole D.I.P (Gumby, GavinM, AD...)

--
Fedde (fedde@bern.docs.uu.se)
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Monday, 14 Dec 1992 16:08:35 EST
From: * Does it really matter?? * <MABBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Call Me Crazy For Asking, But...
 <1992Nov16.195359.4463@sbcs.sunysb.edu>,<92335.142806MABBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
 <1992Dec3.022021.26918@ultb.isc.rit.edu>


I'm sorry all.  Maybe i should listen to the album a few more times
and then i will get into the mood for it.  Please take pity on a
kindly soul such as mines for venturing forth to offer an opinion.

Peace,  I'm ghost..

*======================================================================*
* Mabbc@Cunyvm.Bitnet      <== Bitnet                                  *
* Mabbc@Cunyvm.Cuny.Edu    <== Internet                                *
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From: ittschir@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Tim Tschirner)
Subject: Re: 1992 Hip Hop Album Releases
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 10:08:34 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Technische Fakultaet.

In article <1992Dec10.192904.4769@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (T-Dub - SGP '92) writes:
|> To refresh everyone's memory, here is a quick list I compiled of all the hip
|> hop album releases I could remember for 1992.  Hopefully this will help in the
|> votes not all going to Ice Cube since he had the most recent release.  Also
|> included are some hip hop influenced albums like Mary J. Blige.  Let me know
|> what I forgot (I know I missed some people, but I could not remember or find
|> everything).
|> 
|>                                      T-Dub
|>                                      SHYGUY Productions
|> 
|> HIP HOP ALBUMS OF 1992:
|> -----------------------
|> House Of Pain "Shamrocks & Shenanigans"
I could be wrong, but wasn't the title "Fine Malt Lyrics"

Tim

ittschir@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de
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From: c60a-lj@danube.Berkeley.EDU (Rasputin)
Subject: Re: House of Pain - True to the Game
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:39:59 GMT

d1dol@dtek.chalmers.se (Fredrik Lundholm) writes:

>haupt@cs.columbia.edu (Marcus E. Haupt) writes:
><deleted>


>>BTW: Who is Butch Vig (who keeps remixing their songs over heavy metal beats)?


>Butch Wig is a producer, Nirvana's producer...

>>Marcus Haupt                            

A'ight, since we're on the subject of HOP, let me just put in my 2 cents...
I've got this poster in my room with the boyz of HOP sittin' around, with
Everlest in the middle wit his shirt off.  Unlike tha album, this is a color
picture, and my man has got some crazy freckles all over the bod y'all.  
Well, a bit ago I went down to tha record store to check out the original
Everlast album.  And I gotta say, I stared at it for ten minutes, and I
just can't believe that this is the same Everlest of HOP....
I mean, they must of airbrushed and touched up that picture something wicked,
cuz my man don't have no freckles, he's got long BLACK hair, damn, even tha
face don't look anything like it's supposed to.  When I first bought HOP, I
was trippin' cuz for tha longest time I thought that Danny Boy was Everlast..

						Audi syonara....
							RAS








>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Fredrik Lundholm           DDD    OO   L   
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~           D  D  O  O  L   - RECORDS         
>d1dol@dtek.chalmers.se     DDD    OO   LLLL   
>Contact me about "Droppin Knowledge"/"Shut em Down" 12"!!!!      DOL-EP-1
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Sleeping With The Enemy
Organization: Blue Riddle Productions
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:54:30 GMT

While running around town looking for new stuff to avoid studying for final
exams, I found the only copy of Paris' "Sleeping With The Enemy" in Bloomington
at the CD Exchange.  Needless to say, it's not there anymore. =^)

I've only listened to about half of it, but what I've heard is harder than
just about any rap LP I've heard in a LONG time.  This album makes Ice Cube
sound like De La -- okay, maybe it's not *THAT* hard, but you get the idea.

I had to go to an indie store to get the CD, though, because none of the other
stores anywhere in this town have it.  Since it is distributed on an indie
label (Scarface Records), you'll probably have to go to a small shop to find
it.  It won't be in the bigger stores until January.  Of course, if you have
it already, you know this is slammin'.

Somebody told me that Brand Nubian was already available in Naptown, but I'm
not going to spend four hours and fifteen bucks on a tape unless I know it's
dope.  So what's the 411?

-- 
--David J.-----------------------*********************************************
--Blue Riddle Productions 1993---   "RAP IS AN ART/TURN UP THE MICROPHONE"
--dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu-          Coming in 1993 from BRP.
--The Science is upon us...------*********************************************
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: rojohnso@libws3.ic.sunysb.edu (Ronald Johnson)
Subject: Re: Heavy D
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:23:08 GMT

In article <92351.130034MABBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> * Does it really matter?? * <MABBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>
>I thought that Ice-T had his own label.  Am I wrong on this assumption??
>Just wanted to know..

Im not absolutely sure of this situation, but I do believe he does have his
own label, but  its just like a subsidiary of a larger label...just like
Teddy Riley has his own label, but he is still under MCA...He does, in fact
have his own label, but still has to answer to someone higher than him who
has some financial input etc...Paris, however went all out, and did it all
on his own...No subsidiary, and he answers to no one but Paris...thats what
the difference is...


                                                                 RJ
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: ekundayo@athena.mit.edu (Enuma Olanrewaju Ogunyemi)
Subject: Re: KRS-ONE (was New Stuff)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:27:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.190142.21133@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, c162-du@po.berkeley.edu (bishwaroop ganguly) writes:

|>       We agree here. I don't know many specifics, but Sly and Robbie (along 
|> with Steelie and Clevie) seem to produce/perform all the dopest reggae/dance-
|> hall tracks. 
|> 
|>                                                          -Roop


Actually Steelie and Clevie haven't put out any SLAMMING things recently.

Bobby Digital (Digital-B) : Shabba's producer is on: He did the Grudge (BUJU)
Riddim and the Ripe Cherry riddim (e.g Cobra's Tek him), Substitute lover.

King Jammy's (Jammy's):  The big belly producer has hung on and is still coming out with
dope shit Good Hole College.

 D. Germain(Penthouse):  He has to be the most consistent producer ('91 & '92):
With the Chatty Chatty (Tony Rebel -the Nanny Goat riddim), the "Heal the world
riddim, Dickie, Battyrider etc.  He almost exclusively produced Buju and Cobra.

Shang: came out with the Boom-Bye-Bye (flex) riddim and the ting-a ling riddim.

Philip Smart(Tan Yah): He is the shit: The Hot this year riddim, Living as a poor
man (Private P), Starting all over again (Sleepy Wonder), Back im up(Capt. Blood).
Also produced Snow (Lonely Monday Morning).

Bobby Konders (Massive-B): Responsible for some monster hip-hop reggae beats,
down with most of the dancehall artists in NYC.

Roof Int'l:  They did the Cutty ranks "Who say me dun?) riddim

Shocking Vibes: Gwaney Gwaney (Terror Fabulous), You dead now(Tiger).



Selector Dudublack.


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From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (T-Dub - SGP '92)
Subject: Re: Disappointing PE
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:30:20 GMT

In article <Byz38D.I5t@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, sl313028@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (The black guy.) writes:
>In article <1992Dec8.202435.12080@ultb.isc.rit.edu> ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>if you're talkin about that "boom bu tap, boom bu tap" beat (sorry, best
>i could do), _the_ original beat was from about '84 by (i think) spoonie
>g, or funky 4 or trech 3 (or one of those groups on EnJoy, i got the
>"best of EnJoy" on wax & it has these groups & that beat on it) .  it
>was either a live or drum machine beat.  i _think_ this is the beat
>you're referring 2.
>>
>>                                       T-Dub
>>                                       SHYGUY Productions
>>
>-jon
>
>

Could be the beat.  I will have to check when I go home for Christmas break.
*Sigh!*  Guess I'll be diggin' in tha crates....

                                         T-Dub
                                         SHYGUY Productions
From: fedde@Wien.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: What If...
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:15:01 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: wien.docs.uu.se

ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (T-Dub - SGP '92) writes:

> Since my favorite hip hop group has been coming up a lot lately, I pose this
> question:

> In your opinions, How do you think Boogie Down Productions would have been if
> Scott La Rock did not die?  When I first compare the _Criminal Minded_ album
> with _By All Means Necessary_, I thought that KRS's rhymes improved on the
> second album but the beats were harder on the first (don't get me wrong, 
> album #2 had some classic beats on it).  I don't know how much of this 
> had to do with Scott La Rock, since Ced Gee actually co-produced the album.

Interesting question. If you ask *me*, I think BDP would not have gotten into
the track they got into after Scott La Rocks death. The style and the rhymes
were kinda pre-gangsta style. Just listen to _Criminal Minded_ and you see 
what I mean. BDP has always had the "We are the number one"-crew thing in 
them, but it was not until after Scott La Rocks death that KRS started rhyming
about knowledge, education and things like that in a big amount.

> By, listening to the first, I just get the feeling that Scott La Rock was 
> the leader of BDP. What he said and decided went.  Just by some of the 
> rhymes and how they went, I also get this impression.  I don't think BDP 
> would have been they group they became if Scott La Rock was still here.

They would probably not have been the same, but they would have been kickin'
in that old style we all hear in the first album (Criminal Minded, The Bridge
is Over, South Bronx). Some of that ruffness was gone for a while in albums
like "Blueprint of Hip Hop" and "Edutainment". I was happy to see some of it
was back in "Sex and Violence", in for example "Duck Down". But then again,
there is nothing that says they wouldn't have split up like a lot of crews
these days...
  
Just my 2 cents...

I'm ghost!

--
Fedde (fedde@bern.docs.uu.se)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Subject: Re: House of Pain - True to the Game
Reply-To: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:39:46 GMT

In article <Bz2H0I.62n@cs.columbia.edu> haupt@cs.columbia.edu (Marcus E.  
Haupt) writes:
> It's a stupid thing to do, get a tatoo, but hey, he's not asking me to do  
it...
> Marcus Haupt                            
> Dept. of Comp. Sci.				
> Columbia University

Correction--it's a stupid thing for suckers.
From: py1djf@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk (D J Ford)
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm
Subject: Re: Somalia
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:32:05 GMT
Organization: School of Physics, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, aaron@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>David Morning (dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk) wrote:
>: Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>: 
>: >Anybody got news or view on Somalia? Sounds like they've screwed up already
>: >by abusing UN people they thought were"bandits".
>: 
>: There's a seperate newsgroup for this.
>: It wasn't UN people, it was locals gunmen who were 'appointed' by the UN
>: to guard the stockpile of foods in the warehouses.
>
>I was under the impression they had abused airport employees (who probably
>weren't much of threat apparently being asleep at the time) by handcuffing
>them and marching them off at gunpoint, rather embarassingly under the
>full glare of the press.

	True, but apparantley, the employees, who were bandits,
	were working for the UN because the UN were under 
	obligation to hire them ( for extortionaltly high sums)
	, ie. the kind of obligation that means do or die.

	PS But I loved the way the Americans team of 
	commandos, the Navy SEALS, where suprised on the beach
	by a crack team of journalists. HAHAHA

-- 
	 _________________________________________________
	|  // /||\/| | / ` /| ||       Dave Ford.	  |
	|\X/ /^||  | | \_7/^| ||py1djf@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk |
	 -------------------------------------------------
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm
Subject: Re: Somalia
Keywords: no reply
Date: 14 Dec 92 10:53:26 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

>In article <1992Dec11.205358.1658@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> awells@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Andrew V. Wells) writes:

>>Here's some more fan mail I've gotten from those lovely people who
>>are in love with war, because it is mass-murder they can cheerlead for:
>>
>>>Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 11:40:58 MST
>>>From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 
>>>To: awells@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu
>>>Subject: Re: Somalia

[ Private e-mail deleted]

Excuse me, but isn't posting private e-mail to the net considered a no-no?

Dave

--
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm
Subject: Re: Somalia
Date: 16 Dec 1992 18:21:17 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Distribution: world
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X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <BzBtK3.F99@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk> py1djf@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk writes:

> In the referenced article, dsl24@cas.org writes:
> >By the way, Schwartzkopf called the Gulf "war" a "turkey shoot."
> >And he's right: 200,000 dead Iraqis, and about 100 dead US
> >service people. I mourn them all.
> 
> 	By the way, you forgot the dozen or so British
> 	Troops killed in the war.
> 
> 	However, I do wonder how widely publicised in the USA
> 	were the circumstances of their deaths? From
> 	the few Americans I have asked about it, none of them
> 	seem to know about it.

  I thought it pretty well publicised that it was a "friendly fire" incident
involving a US aircraft and a Brit troop carrier.  There were some flamewars
about it here for a while.  But people always seem willing to forget un-
pleasant little details (seen plenty from war supporters and detractors...)


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: mccullou@cae.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough)
Subject: Re: Somalia
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 11 Dec 92 15:50:11 CST

In article <1992Dec11.201656.12839@cas.org> jac54@cas.org () writes:
>In article <Bz40xI.51A@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk> py1djf@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk (D J Ford) writes:
>>
>>       PS But I loved the way the Americans team of
>>       commandos, the Navy SEALS, where suprised on the beach
>>       by a crack team of journalists. HAHAHA
>
>	Yep, and it would have been even funnier if the SEALS
>	had decided to start shooting lights out.
>
>	Alec Chambers

I think it would have been funnier if they were SEAL units that were actually
surprised.  The NBC newscasters that called them SEALs took it back the next
morning and called them Marine Recon units.  Also, it was probable that
the only surprise was the magnitude of the press response.  This is from
posts I have read on the Somalia newsgroup so it could be wrong.
:)M^2

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