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Info-Hams Digest            Sat, 12 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue 1305

Today's Topics:
                      ARRL technical literature
                              Call Type?
                        Extra Class Call Signs
                         frequency inversion?
                            Gap verticals
                  HAM Related BBS available for use
                Kenwood TS820 Digital Display option.
                    PL... ham vs. commercial rigs
              PROPAGATION FORECAST BULLETIN 50  ARLP050
                            RAE pass mark
       Repeater Controllers (WAS Re: ACC List for RC-850, etc.)
           Using Atari ST/STe/TT Satelite Tracking and UUCP
 VK2SG RTTY DX Notes for week ending 11 December, 1992 (BID RTDX1211)

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:50:38 -0500
From: seas.smu.edu!utacfd.uta.edu!rwsys!ricksys!lawton!red.uucp!terry@uunet.uu.net
Subject: ARRL technical literature
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In <1992Dec9.101543.4437@ke4zv.uucp>, Gary Coffman writes:
>In article <1992Dec8.152844.10567@news.acns.nwu.edu> rdewan@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Rajiv Dewan) writes:
>>In article <9212071839.aa01491@ingate.microsoft.COM> a-kevinp@microsoft.COM (Kevin Purcell, Rho) writes:
>>>
>>>I suppose thats why the League's digital commitee made its infamous 
>>>decision about forwarding (which was at least part correct) and 
>>
>>This was pusuant to a survey sent to EVERY member of the organization in
>>its organ QST.  Overwhelingly, the response was negative.  What would
>>you have liked ARRL to do?  Ignore its members' responses?
>
>I would have liked them to apply scientific survey principles. This 
>type of survey is noted for it's extreme negative bias and is never
>trusted as a valid way to do opinion research by legitimate survey
>organizations. If the League doesn't understand how to properly do
>an opinion survey, they should refrain from depending on techniques
>with known flaws for their policy decisions. 
>
>Gary KE4ZV

Gary you are right of course.  But more importantly, planning for the future or
adopting new technology can never been done by popular consensus.  The majority 
will always vote for for status quo and always oppose change.  This is most 
true when things appear to be going well.  In amateur radio, going well can be 
described as during periods of growth.

The majority can accept change and adopt, but normally that occurs when things 
are not going well and the majority perceives itself to be threaten by status
quo.

Leadership requires vision and a sense of history and a willingness to act,
even when it is not the "popular" thing to do in order to continue to be 
successful.  This is especially true when providing leadership to volunteer
organizations.

Change is never popular.  It was unpopular to move from sparkgap to tuned 
circuits.  It was unpopular to allocate band width to voice when AM first 
started to compete with CW for the spectrum.  FM and SSB were both unpopular
when they first appeared.  Many today can still remember the AM vs SSB band 
wars.  Digital modes compete with each other for resources and with all 
other modes for frequency.  Since each digital mode has its own small and 
limited following it is not rational to think that the majority is going 
to favor allocating limited frequencies to any particular digital mode.

Doing things that the majority is in favor of may get one re-elected, but it 
cannot demonstrate vision or leadership.  Regards, Terry.  
-- 
DOMAIN: terry%red@lawton.lonestar.org (Terrence R. Redding)
UUCP:   . . . !rwsys!lawton!red!terry (Terrence R. Redding)
PACKET:  WB5LMJ @ WB5MJS.OK.USA.NA
Voice 405 536-8822, Ben's Place (Benjamin Franklin) BBS 536-6988 9p to 6a
PhD candidate, University of Oklahoma in Adult and Higher Education
Educational Advisor, American Radio Relay League
221 SW Crystal Hills Drive, Lawton, Oklahoma 73505

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 06:25:46 GMT
From: psinntp!sugar!tghost!unkaphaed!coolguy@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Call Type?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

What is this call?  KKN50

Guy

--
coolguy@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (Guy Shechter)
Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX, (713) 943-2728
After December 31, (713) 481-3763
1200/2400/9600/14400 v.32bis/v.42bis

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Date: 12 Dec 1992 08:38:04 -0600
From: sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!gateway@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: Extra Class Call Signs
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In <1992Dec10.050422.17008@panix.com>
oppedahl@panix.com (Carl Oppedahl) writes:

% >Does anybody know what were the most recent call signs issued by the FCC
% >for extra class licenses in district 0?
% >The last piece of information I got was as of November 1st, 1992 and the
% >call sign was AA0KO.  If you have more recent news, please let me know.
% 
% You can get the information as of the most recent first of the month
% (in this case, December 1) by dialing 717-337-1511.
        
        Have you called lately???  I called yesterday (Friday) and it STILL
said November 1st.....The FCC probably won't get around to (or find the time
to...) changing the recording until the end of December or the beginning of
January.....(That's about how long it's taken for Nov. 1 update.)
        Incedently.....I upgraded on Sept. 26 of this year....12 weeks and
*still* no new call.....Why the sudden rush on upgrades??? ;-)


% Carl Oppedahl AA2KW  (intellectual property lawyer)
% 30 Rockefeller Plaza
% New York, NY  10112-0228
% voice 212-408-2578     fax 212-765-2519

        73...

        T. Keller

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Internet:  phantom@pro-haven.cts.com           KJ5??  (new call soon.....)       
UUCP:      crash!pro-haven!phantom             Try 28.440MHz.....                       
        For the latest breaking Aggie Jokes, Dial 1-800-AGGIE-IQ.....
".....and for the first time in twenty years in Waxahachie, Texas.....
.......it rained!"   The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 15:31:32 GMT
From: swrinde!emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: frequency inversion?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In article <9212111659.AA12355@ucsd.edu> jds@emclab.ATt.COM writes:
>Folks:
>
>Anyone know how "frequency inversion" encryption works?  i.e.
>
>- How do you encode the source?

You generate a SSB signal and convert it back to audio with a carrier
that is on the "wrong" side of the signal. IE listen to a LSB signal
with a USB receiver to hear the frequency inversion effect.

>- How do you decode the result?

Same way, you just run it through the processor box again and it
comes out right side up.

>- Can this be done in a relatively small space ( 1 or 2 in^2 pcb )
>  or is there more to the hardware/glue logic?

Yes this can be done on a small board, tuning and high power aren't
involved. 2X2 should be large enough unless you use a high quality
filter, which shouldn't be necessary, a four pole filter is adequate.

>- Is this a trivial encryption scheme, or are there differing "keys"
>  to encode/decode with?

Yes this is a trivial scheme. Anyone with a similar encoder/decoder
can decrypt your transmissions. It's obviously worthless on SSB since
anyone can just switch to the other sideband, but it is somewhat useful
on AM or FM since the outboard box is required to flip the speech back
over. More elaborate schemes can be applied that flip different parts
of the speech bandwidth upside down, but the expense quickly outpaces
the utility.

>And finally, can these functions be performed post-mic but pre-xmtr, 
>and subsequently post-recvr but pre-speaker?  That is, is the encryption
>done on the audio frequencies at both ends?

Yes, they are normally done outboard.

Gary KE4ZV

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Date: 11 Dec 92 23:29:59 GMT
From: usc!news.bbn.com!olivea!spool.mu.edu!nigel.msen.com!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!laidbak!tellab5!carlson@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: Gap verticals
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

Does anyone have any information about Gap verticals? I am currently
using a Butternut HF5 on 40 and 80. It is ground mounted, and works
well on 40 but very poor on 80. I have 10 radials out - which is more
than I've ever had for any vertical before. I would like to find
something that would also work on 80, but I don't have a tower to
hang slopers or trap dipoles from. The Gap literature looks very
appealing, but does it really work? I think I recall that the
DX-pedition to South Sandwich tried to use a Gap with no success.
Any ideas?

Dave AA9D

carlson@tellabs.com

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:34:20 -0500
From: seas.smu.edu!utacfd.uta.edu!rwsys!ricksys!lawton!red.uucp!terry@uunet.uu.net
Subject: HAM Related BBS available for use
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

I really don't think you will have any problem.  I bourght a two meter 
hand held in Germany in 1980.  It worked well here.  The only differences 
noted were that it had tone burst installed and only covered the lower two 
megs of the USA two meter band.  Good luck, Terry
   
-- 
DOMAIN: terry%red@lawton.lonestar.org (Terrence R. Redding)
UUCP:   . . . !rwsys!lawton!red!terry (Terrence R. Redding)
PACKET:  WB5LMJ @ WB5MJS.OK.USA.NA
Voice 405 536-8822, Ben's Place (Benjamin Franklin) BBS 536-6988 9p to 6a
PhD candidate, University of Oklahoma in Adult and Higher Education
Educational Advisor, American Radio Relay League
221 SW Crystal Hills Drive, Lawton, Oklahoma 73505

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 13:49:08 GMT
From: usc!rpi!isaac.its.rpi.edu!abelson@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: Kenwood TS820 Digital Display option.
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

I too am a satified TS820 user :-)   Can anyone suggest where I might be
able to find one of those 'add-on' digital display kits for the 820?
It would be a nice upgrade for what has been a great 'first rig.'

mla 
..............................................................................
Mike Abelson - Information Technology Services abelson@rpi.edu/gzn0@rpitsmts
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute               Amateur Radio: KB2KYZ 
Troy, New York 12180-3590
..............................................................................

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Date: 12 Dec 1992 08:37:38 -0600
From: sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!gateway@ames.arpa
Subject: PL... ham vs. commercial rigs
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

Howdy...

        Our repeater here in College Station (W5AC -- Texas A&M Univ...)
will let you un-mute the DTMF tones (I guess so that you *can* use DTMF
paging and such...)  It's a DTMF command that tells the controller to
un-mute the tones.....

        73!

        T. Keller
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Internet:  phantom@pro-haven.cts.com           KJ5??  (new call soon.....)       
UUCP:      crash!pro-haven!phantom             Try 28.440MHz.....                       
        For the latest breaking Aggie Jokes, Dial 1-800-AGGIE-IQ.....
".....and for the first time in twenty years in Waxahachie, Texas.....
.......it rained!"   The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 12:31:51 GMT
From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!n8emr!@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: PROPAGATION FORECAST BULLETIN 50  ARLP050
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

============================================================== 
| 	Automatic relayed from packet radio via              | 
| N8EMR's Ham BBS, 614-895-2553                              |
==============================================================

ZCZC AP58
QST DE W1AW
PROPAGATION FORECAST BULLETIN 50  ARLP050
FROM TAD COOK, KT7H, SEATTLE, WA
DECEMBER 11, 1992
RELAYED BY KB8NW/OBS & BARF-80 BBS
TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS

SB PROP ARL ARLP050
ARLP050 PROPAGATION DE KT7H

SOLAR ACTIVITY HAS REMAINED MUCH HIGHER ON AVERAGE THAN WAS
PROJECTED FOR THIS PART OF THE SUNSPOT CYCLE.  A LOOK AT THE AVERAGE
SOLAR FLUX OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS SHOWS A GENERALLY RISING VALUE,
WHICH IS UNEXPECTED SEVERAL YEARS AFTER THE PEAK OF THE CYCLE.

ACTIVITY WAS LOW TO MODERATE OVER THE PAST WEEK.  FLUX WAS FROM 120
TO 130, AND RISING.  THERE WERE PLENTY OF PERIODS WITH K INDICES OF
ZERO, AND THE MOST DISTURBED CONDITIONS ONLY PRODUCED A K OF FOUR.

SOLAR FLUX SHOULD CONTINUE TO RISE TO A PEAK OF AROUND 155 JUST
AFTER MID-MONTH.  IT SHOULD THEN TAPER OFF TOWARD 100 JUST AFTER THE
NEW YEAR.  POSSIBLE DISTURBED PERIODS ARE AROUND DECEMBER 20 AND
JANUARY 3.

CONDITIONS SHOULD BE FAIR DURING THE ARRL TEN METER CONTEST.  FROM
THE CENTRAL UNITED STATES LOOK FOR MARGINAL OPENINGS TO EUROPE ON
TEN FROM A COUPLE OF HOURS AFTER SUNRISE UNTIL NOON, AND TO AFRICA
SOMEWHAT BETTER CONDITIONS UNTIL MID AFTERNOON.  PROPAGATION ON TEN
METERS SHOULD BE BEST OVERALL TO THE SOUTHERN HALF OF THE WESTERN
HEMISPHERE.  LOOK FOR GOOD PROPAGATION TO SOUTH AMERICA ALL THROUGH
THE DAYLIGHT HOURS, AND MARGINAL TO THE SOUTH PACIFIC LATE IN THE
AFTERNOON, AND SOMEWHAT BETTER TO ASIA DURING THE SAME PERIOD LATE
IN THE DAY.

SUNSPOT NUMBERS FROM DECEMBER 3 TO 9 WERE  74, 94, 120, 87, 51, 101
AND 128 WITH A MEAN OF 93.6  10.7 CM FLUX FOR THE SAME PERIOD WAS
125.5, 119.8, 116.3, 120, 120.1, 129.0 AND 134.0, WITH A MEAN OF
123.5.
NNNN

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Date: 12 Dec 92 18:11:31 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!agate!doc.ic.ac.uk!uknet!edcastle!wilde!graham@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: RAE pass mark
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

chardi@cs.man.ac.uk (Ian "Flup" Chard) writes:
>I have two questions concerning the British Radio Amateurs' Exam:

Funnily enough I had the same questions following last Monday evening :-)
I phoned the RSGB and the Lothian Regional Education Dept (who were running 
the exam here for City & Guilds) ...

>(a) What is the average pass mark for each paper, and

This is not published.  Apparently the papers are marked and put in order
and then a cutoff level is worked out, those above it pass, those below try
again next May.  They also have cutoffs for the award of the pass with
"distinction" or "credit".  The last report I can find about the exam is for
the May 1990 sitting:
            Number of      Distinction     Credit    Pass             Fail
            Candidates           %            %        %                %
Paper1:        2160            13.8         39.4     33.1             13.7
                            \----------------|------------/
                                            86.3

Paper2:        2159            11.2         32.4     33.9             22.5
                            \----------------|------------/
                                            77.5
That is, a total of 2157 candidates completed the exam and 1599 (74.1%)
qualified for the RAE Certificate.

>(b) How long do the results usually take to be published?

Not till mid February to early March!  Oh well, I suppose it gives me time
to try to get my morse up to 12wpm.

Graham Rule
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Graham Rule, Computing Service,    E-Mail: G.Rule@ed.ac.uk    MHS: I=G; S=Rule;
Edinburgh University,     JCMB,    Phone:  +44 31 650 4989         O=Edinburgh;
Kings Buildings, Mayfield Road,    Fax:    +44 31 662 4712         P=uk.ac;
Edinburgh EH9 3JZ,    Scotland                                     A= ; C=GB

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Date: 12 Dec 1992 12:02:44 -0600
From: sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!hurricane.ksu.ksu.edu!news@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: Repeater Controllers (WAS Re: ACC List for RC-850, etc.)
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

larryj@countach.telcom.tek.com (Larry Johnson) writes:

>I just purchased a used RC-1000 Repeater Controller which is made by
>Micro Computer Concepts in Dayton, Ohio. There are ads in QST and 73
>Magazine. The wired and tested unit price is $239.95 - if you want their
>enclosure which is a box, rack panel, switch and power-on indicator, it's
>about another $60-70. It has the "normal repeater functions" such as 
>touchtone remote programming, touchtone muting, external PL decoder on/off,
>timers, ID'er, control receiver input, autopatch, and a one-band remote base
>(such as 29.6, 52.525, etc.) The autopatch also has reverse patch, Dial 9
>with dialing, long-distance enable/lockout, */# or special user code up/down
>commands, etc. etc

The North East Kansas ARC has several of these in operation.  While
they lack synthesized voice and many other features of the ACC 85, they
get the job done.  Unfortunately, they have *BAD* audio unless you do
some external audio filtering.  I think their CW generator produces
square waves!  :-(

Also, the RC-1000 is not FCC Part 68 Certified.  FCC Part 68 says the
telephone network can't be harmed by the repeater controller and
visa-versa.  Bob at S-Comm told me about a certification test where
10,000 volt spikes were applied to his autopatch interface.
Surprisingly, his repeater survived the test.  I believe S-Comm is the
only repeater manufacturer with a FCC Certified autopatch interface.

For my money, take a look at the S-Comm repeater controllers.  Besides
great audio, their non-autopatch controller (S-Com 5K) is $199 and has
many programming abilities that even ACC-85's don't have.  You can do
any series of repeater commands from any touch-tone or logic input.
S-Comm's other controllers, the 6K and 7K have autopatch and other 
features like a scheduler and multiple remote bases.


>From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
>
>Try an S-Comm 7K. Lot's of commercial repeater operators love their
>S-Comms, and for good reason. They are simple, reliable, and reasonably
>priced. They don't talk or play tunes, but they do work and work and work
>and work.

Sounds like you need the optional Voice Synthesizer. :-)  I even had
S-Comm program the custom word 'Kansas' into our 7K.


-Steve Schallehn KB0AGD
 Kansas State University

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:53:50 -0500
From: seas.smu.edu!utacfd.uta.edu!rwsys!ricksys!lawton!red.uucp!terry@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Using Atari ST/STe/TT Satelite Tracking and UUCP
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

I am interested in hearing from anyone that is currently using an Atari 
computer to operate on the internet or from a uucp site.  Also would 
like contact with other hams that use Atari computers for amateur radio related
activities.

By the way I have PD and share ware programs for both of the activities and 
would be glad to provide them.  Regards, Terry.
  
-- 
DOMAIN: terry%red@lawton.lonestar.org (Terrence R. Redding)
UUCP:   . . . !rwsys!lawton!red!terry (Terrence R. Redding)
PACKET:  WB5LMJ @ WB5MJS.OK.USA.NA
Voice 405 536-8822, Ben's Place (Benjamin Franklin) BBS 536-6988 9p to 6a
PhD candidate, University of Oklahoma in Adult and Higher Education
Educational Advisor, American Radio Relay League
221 SW Crystal Hills Drive, Lawton, Oklahoma 73505

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 14:12:12 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!n8emr!gws@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: VK2SG RTTY DX Notes for week ending 11 December, 1992 (BID RTDX1211)
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

==============================================================
| 		Relayed from packet radio via                |
| 		N8EMR's Ham BBS, 614-895-2553                |
==============================================================


SB DX @ ALLBBS $RTDX1211
VK2SG RTTY DX Notes, 11 December
VK2SG RTTY DX Notes for week ending 11 December, 1992 (BID RTDX1211)
 
       I           MAY CHRISTMAS AND THE NEW YEAR BRING
      ARQ              THE VERY BEST OF EVERYTHING...
     AMTOR            MAY HEAVEN SMILE ON ALL YOU DO,
    DIGITAL                   BUT MOST OF ALL,
   XXMODESXX                MAY GOD BLESS YOU !!!
  RTTYXBAUDOT
 AMTORXXCLOVER       MAY THE CHRISTMAS SPIRIT WITH THE
PACTORXXXPACKET SWEETNESS, WARMTH AND CHEER, LINGER IN YOUR
      EDI           LIFE AND MAKE IT BEAUTIFUL ALL YEAR
      TOR
 -------------     MAY THE 1993 IT PEACEFUL, PROSPEROUS
 VK2SG,  I5FLN       AND HEALTHY, AND HOPE IT WILL BE
 WB2CJL, W2JGR      BETTER THAN YEARS THAT HAVE PASSED
 -------------
 
A thank you to all people that have expressed their condolences to
John, TG9VT recently departure from his wife Chiqui.  All beautiful
notes are being put in a memorial album that John's boys are doing
for the memory of his father. 
 
Our thanks this week go to: VK2SG, I5ICY, DJ3IW, 9X5LJ, ZS5S, CE3GDN,
W6PQS, WA6PJR, NT3B, N5PSI, WB2CJL, W2JGR and the Twin Cities DX
Packet cluster network. Thank you all for your great help with the
notes.
 
 
Bandpass
 
Friday 04
0015-14082 VP5JM
0150-14089 VP8BFH
1010-21083 ES7JW    QSL via Heinar Kalam Suur-Kaare 41-10 Viljandi
1143-21085 4L2FC
1300-14082 9H1LY
1317-14083 ZK2XI    Niue QSL via JA3JM
1335-21085 S58AA
1620-14091 ES7FQ
 
 
Saturday 05
0602-14071 9K2KA    ARQ
0645-21081 4L2FC
0840-21086 UL7PBY
0920-21081 5X5WR    QSL via DJ6SI
1039-21084 ES7JW
1238-14079 3A2LZ
1326-21083 LY2ZZ
1351-21089 S59AM
1421-21083 ZC4ST
1706-14084 3B8CF
1917-21089 ZK2XI
2346-14086 BY1QH
 
Sunday 06
0838-14080 ZK2XI
0910-28085 UL7PBY
0920-28099 5X5WR
0923-28083 5N0RJM
1113-21085 LY2ZZ
1234-21089 YL2KF
1436-28081 S59AM
1438-14084 4L2FC
1610-14083 TL8GM
1707-21085 ZF1WM
1734-21082 C9RJJ
1930-21090 8P6SM
2247-21086 FG4FI
2312-14086 VP8CFM   So. Orkneys QSL via GM4KLO
 
Monday 07
0005-14081 5X5WR
0016-14081 VP8CFM
0100-14090 BY1QH
0113-21082 ZK2XI
1039-21087 4L2FC
1317-21087 VY2SS
1400-21085 4X6UO
1541-21088 LY2BH
1748-14087 ES7FQ
1833-21086 C9RJJ  QSL via W8GIO
2255-14086 CO2JJ  QSL POB 1, Havana, Cuba 
 
Tuesday 08
0150-14067 HI8BG   ARQ
0909-21088 LY2BH
0915-21083 ES7JW
1006-21089 3C1EA
1321-21086 4L2FC
1420-21080 EA6LX
1503-28086 HK0DPA
1810--7037 RL8PY  QSL via Box 73 Temirtau, 472300
2208-14090 VP2EE
2301-21085 ZK2XJ
2328-14086 VP8CFM
 
Wednesday 09
0001-14088 VP8CFM
0007-14088 D2EL    QSL via EA7EL
0104-14090 BY1QH
0138-14083 VP8BFH
0855-14087 3A2LZ
1050-21084 ES7JW
1342-21079 TR8ME
1409-21086 4X6UO
1814-14083 HK0DPA
 
Thursday 10
0004-14085 FM5DN
0009-14086 CU2AN
0121-14082 FO5IW
0146-14082 VP8BFH
 
The notes next week will be prepared by Bob, WB2CJL.  His bulletin
will be the last for this year.  The turn will start again on 1993
with Jules, W2JGR who will edit the RTDX0108 on Jan. 8th, 1993.  For
the next week bulletin please pass your information to WB2CJL at
CE3GDN (CGDN) or to ZS5S (ZZSS). Input from all are welcome.
(note by ZS5S: Syd, VK2SG, himself WILL do the 93/01/01 notes)
 
 
Notes of interest:
 
DXCC News - Recent operations from 5 Aug. 1992 through 17 Aug. by
Romeo as 9D0RR from Iran have been accredited.  Croatia (9A former
YU2), Slovenia (S5 former YU3) and Bosnia-Hercegovina (4N4, YU4)
have been added to the DXCC list.  Contacts for 9A, and S5 are valid
from 26 June 1991 and after.  Contacts for 4N4, YU4 are valid from
15 October 1991 and after.  Cards for those new ones are accepted by
DXCC desk only from 1 January 1993.
 
Uganda - By the time you read this activity from Baldur, DJ6SI as
5X5WR should be at the end.  Tks for this nice RTTY operation and
effort.
 
Desecheo - All is on schedule and Randy, N0TG will be QRV from about
28 Dec. for seven days.  Five stations will be operating /KP5.  RTTY
activity will be on 3620, 7085, 14080, 18105, 21080, 28080.  QSL is
via N0TG new home address: Randy Rowe, POB 891, DeSoto, TX 75123 USA.
 
Howland Island DXpedition - A multi-national team should start the
activity from this rare one from around January.  Operations are
planned for seven days.  Support for this expensive trip is welcome
and should be sent to Burt, W0RLX.
 
Kingman Reef and Palmyra Island - Pete, N0AFW and crew will activate
this rare one on first week of March.  This crew was FO0CI last year.
They hope to be QRV from both places at the same time for 9 days.
Donations are greatly appreciated.
 
Bangladesh  - Saif, S21A is buying a PK232 with help of John, W4FRU.
IRDXA is helping with the freight, operating help, etc.
 
North Korea - There are reports from the cluster of a station signing
P51AA on CW and SBB.  WFWL.
 
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year 1993
 
GL de (DX2) Luciano, I5FLN @ W5KSI.#NOLA.LA.USA.NA
Relayed by Ted N6EQZ APlink Seattle
/EX


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Gary W. Sanders gws@n8emr.cmhnet.org, 72277,1325
N8EMR @ N8JYV (ip addr) 44.70.0.1 [Ohio AMPR address coordinator]
HAM BBS 614-895-2553 (1200/2400/V.32/PEP) Voice: 614-895-2552 (eves/weekends)

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Date: 12 Dec 92 20:28:36 GMT
From: ucivax!turner@locus.ucla.edu
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

References <1992Dec9.165731.13602@worldbank.org>, <2B265291.15586@ics.uci.edu>, <1992Dec10.204035.95992@watson.ibm.com>
Subject : Re: DX Etiquette (an oxymoron)

In <1992Dec10.204035.95992@watson.ibm.com> uri@watson.ibm.com (Uri Blumenthal) writes:

>In article <2B265291.15586@ics.uci.edu>, turner@safety.ics.uci.edu (Clark Savage Turner) writes:

>|> >However, I feel that *some* DX stations (the rarer ones) do have an
>|> >obligation to work the rest of the mortals as well as their friends.
>|>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> This is quite a concept.  I am sympathetic to the "feeling", but completely
>|> opposed to the thought.  No ham has any obligation to work/QSL anyone, IMHO.
.......

>Well, yes, but why should one person usurp a frequency suitable
>for DX and ragchew forever, while others are striving to make a
>DX contact?

Wow!  Where did the "ragchew forever" come from when I was commenting
on some "obligation" I have when I am "rare DX" to work and QSL some
of the fellows?

>You see, on one side there are silly people who'd break anything
>to get their QSL card - no politeness whatsoever.  On the other

Agreed.  Not very good.

>side there are boneheads, who apparently haven't learned that
>landline telephone service connects now many places, and
>they'd run their [usually meaningless :-] conversations
>for ages, with total disregard of the needs and rights
>[to this band/frequency] of others...

This is where we part ways.  Though I really agree with your "feeling"
here that the guys "should" hold their QSO's to a time IF there is
a great band opening AND if there are others who are politely asking.....
There certainly is NO OBLIGATION here for hams to "yield" the
frequency....IF they want to ragchew forever, this it OK in ham radio
as I know it.

Since the "landline telephone service connects now many places"
where is there ANY purpose for ham radio.  Aren't you arguing that
ham radio is only for those places that don't have telephones?  I
suppose not, but the argument doesn't help much.  If two hams want
to talk on 2 meters from a distance of 20 miles for several hours,
do you really think this is wrong?  If two hams want to talk on 20
meters from a distance of 20 miles for several hours, what business
is it of ours????  I really ask you this question.  I understand
clearly the desireability of such etiquette, but I am not prepared
to condemn someone else who does not follow such etiquette that
I prescribe, but yet operates within the limits of the law perfectly
well.

>Without mutual respect of both ragchewers and DX-chasers
>the life will be hell for both classes (:-).

Absolutely true.  If this is your main point and I am over reacting
to the rest, I completely agree.

Clark WA3JPG
......................

Clark Savage Turner, Graduate Student Researcher
Safety Critical Software Group			home:
Department of Info. and Computer Science	1514 Verano Place
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WA3JPG, QRP #3526, active on HF, VHF and UHF.
Admitted to practice law in California, Massachusetts, and New York.
ARRL Volunteer Counsel

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