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From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Rap music
Date: 22 Jan 1993 01:14:13 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne
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Dave White (davew@g2syd.genasys.com.au) wrote:
	[deleted negitive article about rap music]
	[from someone else (not Dave)]

: change at first, (back in 1989) but a bit dated these days.

			    ^^^^


	ever heard of sugar hill gang (70's)
	or even grand master flash
	or even James Brown
	or even Fred Wesley
	or .....
	rap has been dabbled in for decades!

	An equally informed and intellegent comment might be:
"oh melody was a nice change at first - back in '62, but its a
bit dated these days"

	what's it all mean?

					CE
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: raphael@research.canon.oz.au (Andrew Raphael)
Subject: Re: Sydney Radio Stations
Keywords: Sydney Radio Stations
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:09:48 GMT

lester@s1.elec.uq.oz.au (Sean Lester) writes:

>What are some good "alternative music" radio stations to look out for
>in Sydney?

I don't have a radio, but I know there's 2SER, because I know people
with shows on it.
-- 
Andrew Raphael <raphael@research.canon.oz.au>
    "She's probably not what she seems, though she tries..."
From: kjm@buc.edu.au (Kevin Moore)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Rap music
Date: 25 Jan 1993 04:30:37 GMT
Organization: Physics Department - Ballarat University College
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In article <1993Jan25.010255.2953@mel.dit.csiro.au> brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May) writes:

>Iain & others,

>Your violent reaction to rap music is quite disturbing.

Does an overpowering sense of ennui count as a violent reaction? I suppose 
it does. I find the pandering to the testosterone of spotty youths (by both 
male and female rappers) crashingly dull. To be perfectly frank, I don't 
really care how big Model-T's dick is.

	[deletia]

>Hell, let's ban everything with the slightest mention of
>violence and all the people with guns will stop shooting each
>other. We could sing those nice religious songs instead...
>"Onward christian soldiers.....marching as to war....." Oh,
>ermm, oops.

Nothing like good old-fashioned religious violence, is there? "Be thou my 
battleshield, Lord in thy might...".

On a more serious note, to agree with Brian's sarcasm, banning things is the 
surest way to make sure they stick around for a long time. How long does 
the average pop song last? The average bestseller? "Fanny Hill" was around 
for centuries. When it was unbanned, it lost much of it's appeal. Censorship 
fails to adequately deal with humanity's natural prurience with regard to 
sex and violence. The surest way to make people want something is to tell 
them they can't have it.

Besides, banning rap songs is merely shooting the messenger. The violence of 
American society is the problem which needs adressing, not the lyrics which 
reflect it.

And for violent music, try Naked City's "Grand Guignol" album. Very nasty.

Kevin.

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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: crobertson@mta.ca
Subject: Re: Rap music
Reply-To: crobertson@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Distribution: aus
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:48:59 GMT

----Just thought I'd add my two cents worth...I view rap as an extra-musical
addition to a piece of music, much the same as feedback in harder edged music.
It adds a different flavour to otherwise mundane music. But when these extra-
musical noises become the sole purpose of the song instead of the music itself,
something is wrong. I like to listen to a song made up entirely of rap about as
much as I would want to listen to a song made up entirely of feedback squeals.
It has a function, but it's not a function in itself.----
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: aa593@Freenet.carleton.ca (Iain Pidcock)
Subject: Re: G&R's worst song
Reply-To: aa593@Freenet.carleton.ca (Iain Pidcock)
Organization: The National Capital Freenet
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:38:11 GMT


In a previous article, cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle) says:

>Iain Pidcock (aa593@Freenet.carleton.ca) wrote:
>
>
>: Kevin,
>:      I assure you Kylie Minogue did not write "Locomotion"
>: It is an old song that she ripped off (Like Michael Bolton
>: does on a regular basis).  Kylies stuff is all fre-fab
>: done by the guys at the hit factory.  She doesn't
>: write it.  So maybe there is no worst song she ever
>: wrote.  (Cuz she don't write 'em)!!!!!!
>:               Iain
>
>	at the risk of giving my own game away
>	does this response mean rolf did write stairway
>				gunnas " " " " heavens
>				etc
>
>		CE
>

Guess not.  In the process of dumping on Kylie I missed the 
intended sarcasm.  How i managed to do that is beyond
explanation and I still lose sleep over it.  So Mr. Page,
Mr.Plant, Mr.Jones and Mr. Bonham (RIP) I apologize.
                  Forever a Zeppelin fan, Iain

-- 
Iain Pidcock  - Carleton University Student, Ottawa Canada

For the future we look to the stars, they look back and laugh
"What me Worry?"- Alfred E. Newman
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: paul@research.canon.oz.au (Paul Higginbottom)
Subject: Re: rrrrRRRAAAGGGEEEEeee
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 02:07:35 GMT

In article <11732@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> bakker@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>Hi,
>
>2 Questions:
>2. I was really impressed with some of the old "I'm Talking" songs. Can 
>anyone give me a brief review of what albums they released? I'm thinking of
>buying them if they're available on CD.
>
>cheers,
>paultje
>--

I'm talking only ever released one album. It was called 'Bear Witness' and is
certainly available on CD. An excellent album IMHO.

Paul


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Newsgroups: aus.music,alt.music.alternative
From: cwalsh@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (Craig Walsh)
Subject: Re: Big Day Out, Sydney
Organization: Macquarie University, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:06:08 GMT

In article <carol.728085120@ee.uts.EDU.AU> carol@ee.uts.edu.au (Carol Gibson) writes:
>	I took myself off to the Big Day Out again this year. In
>an overall comparisoan to last year - there were more bands, and 
>more international acts, but way, way too many people. Last year
>there were a comfortable 10,000 people and 3 stages. This year
>there was an unmanageable 22,000 people and 4 stages. There were
>also 15 minute queues to buy beer and 20 minute queues to get into
>the girls loos.... 
>
[some reviews deleted]

>Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy - bloody incredible! As the last act of
>	long day I was dragging my feet when I got there, and dancing
>	by the time they finished. Michael had been at the Aboriginal
>	commemoration all day, so turned up on stage wearing a land rights
>	t-shirt, waving an aboriginal flag, wishing us "happy invasion
>	day" and telling us that "much respect" was due to our indigenious
>	peoples. As a left-wing, issue centred rap act, Disposable Heroes
>	are renowned for having a lot to say, and saying it well. Apart
>	from Michael having a mesmerising voice, his lyrics are clever
>	and thought provoking - like "Hipocrisy is the greatest luxury,
>	Raise the double standard!". I liked their cover of "California,
>	Uberalis" which is on their album. At one stage in the show they
>	tore up a caricature of Bush, to much laughter, and then a 
>	caricature of Bruce Ruxton, to tumultuous applause. Rap is a 
>	powerful medium for transmitting ideas, and I might say, it was
>	great to see some true rap, filled with well-thought out, humanist
>	ideas and a great backing band, rather than the sexist trite
>	that seems to typify the mainstream.
>
>
I suppose I should put in here that I thought Disposable Heroes were crap.
I expected something a lot better, given how good the Beatnigs used to be.
The Heroes did all the usual rap crap, ie have one main rapper and another
guy who ran around alot yelling 'whoa'. Then the stupid 'Make some fucking
noise' started and I nearly fell over from laughing.

I don't think they are capable of actually writing a good song.'Television'
sounded pretty good, but it is nearly five years old, when are they going
to write a new good song?

For mine the best acts of the day were Iggy Pop, Beasts of Bourbon and Nick
Cave. It was pretty funny during Nick to see the people around me slamming
to Deanna but not knowing From her to Eternity. Also I have never seen any
one look more bored on stage than Blixa.

Craig Walsh
cwalsh@orac.efs.mq.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: raphael@research.canon.oz.au (Andrew Raphael)
Subject: Templebears, anyone?
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:06:57 GMT

I'd like to know if any aus.music readers went to see the Templebears
during their recent visits to Melbourne & Brisbane.  Were the gigs
well-attended, did you like the band and music, and so on.
-- 
Andrew Raphael <raphael@research.canon.oz.au>
    "She's probably not what she seems, though she tries..."
From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: JJJ'S "ENDLESS SUMMER"
Date: 21 Jan 1993 06:02:23 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne
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	it certainly is beginning to feel endless


						CE
From: sizerk@sizeruu.canb.auug.org.au (Kim Sizer)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Why Has JJJ Been so Crap Lately?
Distribution: world
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 00:58:10 GMT
Organization: ATO
Reply-To: sizerk@canb.auug.org.au


In article <727371859.AA04390@csource.oz.au> Annette.Scott@f364.n632.z3.fidonet.org
writes:

 > 
 > Hi Alex, JJJ hasn't been Crap. It's our fault!! All summer, they are
 > having an Endless Summer request. You ring up their 0055 number and
 > request a song.

 And there has been some crap in that lot!

 > They are also having their Ultimate Cd's. They have 62 CD's which have
 > been choosen as Ultimates and are playing them complete.

There's actually 250 of 'em to win.  I wonder whether they're gonna play
all 250!  There's been some rubbish in there, too.

 > Sorry if you don't like Elton John, but l've heard some cool stuff,
 > ie Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon, The Police Ghost in The Machine
 > and a few early INXS albums.

 They played "Sound Affects" by The Jam the other night - great!!!!

 > It will be over soon!! So just bear with it!! Have a great Summer!

Can't be over soon enough for me!

I mean to say, they played "If You Leave Me Now" by Chicago this morning, in
the *awful* Angela Catterns show.  Ugh!

Kim
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From: disseldo@sunburn.sli.unimelb.edu.au (Andrew Disseldorp)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Fab_Groups
Date: 24 Jan 93 23:16:53 GMT
Reply-To: disseldo@sunburn.UUCP (Andrew Disseldorp)
Distribution: aus
Organization: University of Melbourne, Dpt of Surveying and Land Information

In article <1jr8a1INNdt@zikzak.apana.org.au> jamie@zikzak.apana.org.au (Jamie Scuglia) writes:
> [About the puppets (oops backspace key doesn't work) called
> Girlfriend)

>Bullsh*t!!!!!  Speak for yourself!  And anyway, Girlfriend
>play a huge part in producing their material, so they aren't
>"puppets" as someone so wrongly put it in another post. 
>And if they were only puppets, how come they are so successful here?

	Actually, I hear their production credits go as far as getting
their Crayola crayons out and colouring the cover, but then again, maybe 
they aren't even that talented.

(Actually, they may help mine the vinyl that records are made of, but 
thats another matter...)

Andrew
(disseldo@sunburn.sli.unimelb.edu.au)
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: davew@g2syd.genasys.com.au (Dave White)
Subject: Re: Billy Willy
Keywords: Billy dont be a hero
Organization: Genasys II, Sydney, Australia
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:48:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.022246.19113@labtam.labtam.oz.au> chris@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Chris Taylor) writes:
>Why are so many people making fun of poor Billy Willy Ray Cyrus?
>
>He stood there looking like a frightened bunny rabbit while accepting his
>awards, thanking his Ma and Pa and the good Lord Jesus.
>
etc, etc, etc ....

Seems to me that Billy is probably sitting on a beach somewhere 
wondering how he will spend all of his money, while we waste our 
time indoors, broke, slaves to technology.

I guess he wins!


-- 
David White, davew@g2syd.genasys.com.au
Genasys II Pty. Ltd., North Sydney, Australia.
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: raphael@research.canon.oz.au (Andrew Raphael)
Subject: Re: Radio Shmadio, as long as I'm rich
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:34:33 GMT

There used to be a band from Melbourne called Manikins.  They're defunct
now, sadly.  They released an album, and one song went "What are you
on, where did you get it, how much did it cost, and can you afford lots
of it?"

Every time Andrew Norrish posts something, I'm reminded of the Manikins.
I'm sure they've got mutual friends, or something.
-- 
Andrew Raphael <raphael@research.canon.oz.au>
    "She's probably not what she seems, though she tries..."
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Re: Rap music
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 23:14:26 GMT


In article <1993Jan20.151407.17637@freenet.carleton.ca>, aa593@Freenet.carleton.ca (Iain Pidcock) writes:
|> 
[ why you don't like rap deleted]

|> Scum like this are ruining America and taking Canada with
|> it.  Please, someone tell me the rest of the nineties will

'Scuse me - the music you're talking about is a product of America
and Canada's society. You let everyone wander around with guns, there'll
be more shootings.

What kind of music do you prefer? Benign "ooh baby I love you" crap?

brian
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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: ck@iconix.oz.au (Chris Karadaglis)
Subject: Re: apology (Re: Chris Karadaglis hates KYLIE)
Organization: Iconix Pty Ltd (World Headquarters)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:12:30 GMT

In <1jj2hkINN7p5@zikzak.apana.org.au> jamie@zikzak.apana.org.au (Jamie Scuglia) writes:

>ck@iconix.oz.au (Chris Karadaglis) writes:

>=> >In <1993Jan15.032810.4620@freenet.carleton.ca> aa593@Freenet.carleton.ca (Iain Pidcock) writes:

>{{ To summarise, Iain Pidcock, from Canada, apologizes for upsetting
>   a few people about his anti-Kylie comments in aus.music.  Now,
>   Chris replies:
>}}

>=>Gee, and you were doing so well up til now... go ahead, dump it on
>=>the bitch, most of us hate her too.

>Most of us do NOT hate her.  

Ok. ok... I'm not going to do a poll to find out if you're correct
or not. How about this statement instead:

"I hate her, everyone I know hates her, and a majority of people they
know hate her."

>And what a fine example you are to our Canadian friend who wrote
>the apology letter!  

Anyone who thinks I'm here to provide an example of a "nice Australian"
is either a complete twat or hasn't had the dis-pleasure of meeting
me in person.

>I hope he doesn't think that all Australians
>hate their own music, like you do!  

Do not!

>While strong efforts are
>being made to promote our music overseas, 

(does this "strong effort" include moving residence to overseas?!)

>you just give it all a big
>slap in the face with your anti-Kylie comments.  Hang your head in shame.

Twat.

>=>  >Who knows, maybe Kylie will be right on top.
>=>
>=>Maybe she'll have an accident in a combine harvester.

>And maybe you'll have a little accident at the Mushroom Record Studios
>as a tonne of Kylie's gold records drop on top of you.

Would this be a tonne of unsold records?

See y'all at the Big Day Out!

	Shckwish! (Chris Karadaglis)
From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: "RAGE" "COUNTDOWN" SYMALCAST
Date: 27 Jan 1993 02:48:24 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne
Distribution: world
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	someone, think it was Kim, was putten shit on 
Countdown - espicially in its reformed revolution format.

	i beg to greatly differ

	sure they played alot of stuff i hate
	but so does radio and so did old Countdown
			(and rock arena, John tor etc)

	it was better than nuffin (which if you hadnt 
noticed is what we have now).
	it sort of annoys me that be keep dumpen on 
some guy who sings achy breaky heart (?) - even saw send
up on late show - but i dont even know what he looks or sounds
like.  Now if countdown was still counting down i wouldnt be in
that delema.
	i miss my dose of chart stuff now (sigh) 
	
	i liked countdown and countdown revolution (even when
i didnt like 'em - if ya get what i mean).

	i feeling all sad just talking bout it!
	sob
				CE
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: a.norrish@trl.oz.au (Mark E. Smith's speech therapist-ah)
Subject: Re: Fab_Groups
Summary: Cliff is a pest
Organization: Telecom Research Laboratories
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 22:14:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.065340.2045@g2syd.genasys.com.au> johnw@g2syd.genasys.com.au (John Williams) writes:
>Hi music fans,
    ^^^^^^^^^^
Which you are obviously not, see below

>I am an Englishman now living in Australia  and I would just like to comment
>on the music scene locally and in the UK.
>
>Back home my favorite performers were Cliff Richard (wired for sound was 
>UNREEEAL) and Rick Astley. However, since I have come to Australia I have 
>found two new bands that beat the pork pies of these guys. I think Girlfriend
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Catchy expression. Can I use it?        

>are just the best with their catchy lyrics and The Teen Queens are a very 
>close second. Can anyone tell me if these groups are touring soon and if so,
>where can I catch them live.

Unfortunately, you have been deceived. These two groups are hand puppets, 
the lyrics are done by computer.

>P.S. Can you suggest where I might find a copy of Ricky Astleys "When you
>need Somebody" - the album.

In the bargain bins at fine record emporiums, no doubt. When you find it, 
play it at 45 rpm. Presto, a Kylie Minogue record for the same price!

Andrew (I don't use smileys either, but at least my articles are 
laced with clues) Norrish.

'See you mate. Yeah, see you mate' - The Fall
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Re: Templebears, anyone?
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 05:03:51 GMT


In article <C1Ev3M.1Cs@research.canon.oz.au>, raphael@research.canon.oz.au (Andrew Raphael) writes:
|> I'd like to know if any aus.music readers went to see the Templebears
|> during their recent visits to Melbourne & Brisbane.  Were the gigs
|> well-attended, did you like the band and music, and so on.

Unfortunately for them, the 1st & second shows they had were not well attended.
However, on Friday night's gig they played as if the place was packed.
I like that. Plenty of energy (well, their EP's called "Wired"), nice tight
pop songs. They're a 3 piece, admire PJ Harvey (gives you an ide of their
sound, I guess) and write all their own songs. Well, I'd go & see them again!
I've no idea how their Sat night gig went though.

brian
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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: Annette.Scott@f364.n632.z3.fidonet.org (Annette Scott)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: How do i get good seat tickets in melb?
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 10:17:02

Hello Shuller, A long time ago, back in 84, l lined up outside the jam factory
to get tickets to see Queen (the works tour!) I got there about 7am. The Bass
outlet there opened at 9. I was first in line. We couldn't connect to the main
outlet until about 9.25, by that time all the floor tickets where gone to the
city and we ended up at the back. Maybe the outlets have inproved their comms
in the last few years? But there is nothing you can do for the upset of
watching ppl get in front of you! Later!

... Netta

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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: zik@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Michael Saleeba [Zik])
Subject: Tanita Tikarim
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:45:18 GMT

Does anyone know anything about Tanita Tikarim? I have heard only one
of her songs, ages ago - "Twist in my sobriety". It has haunted me for
a couple of years now and I was wondering if anyone knew of any albums
she might have produced?

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|         -|-   Zik   -|-         |   "She's thinking long and hard about   |
|   zik@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au    |    that wild sound, and wondering;      |
|         Michael Saleeba         |    will it last?" - Sonic Youth         |
+---------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
From: steveo@mel.dbce.csiro.au (Stephen Oakes)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: That bloke who sings achy breaky ... (was something else)
Date: 22 Jan 93 05:40:32 GMT
Organization: CSIRO, Div. Building Constr. and Eng'ing, Melb., Australia

In article <1993Jan22.012100.11196@iconix.oz.au> ck@iconix.oz.au (Chris Karadaglis) writes:

>ObNonMusic : Billy Ray Cyprus has a concert on at the Tennis Centre.
>The bloody TENNIS CENTRE! How does he expect to fill it? What other
>nauseating songs will he play other than Achy Breaky Heart? Will
>they supply buckets? Will they move the seats in the centre so people
>can do the Achy Breaky Constipation Dance? Will someone nuke the place
>on the night of the concert and purify the gene pool?

I believe he has at least two more hits - "Farty Warty Bum", and 
"Smelly Welly Socks".

The D-Generation recently covered one of his songs on The Late Show.

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