From: kotinis@aeras.uucp (John Kotinis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Is Greek Educational System Also In A Shambles, 'Kotinis?'
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:01:41 GMT
Reply-To: kotinis@aeras.UUCP (John Kotinis)
Organization: Arix Corporation, San Jose, CA.

In article <m0laz1s-0003YPC@ddsw1.mcs.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:
>
><1992Apr14.010051.9769@aeras.uucp>
>kotinis@aeras.uucp (John Kotinis)
>
>>And by accident, people in Cyprus, (80 %) speak Greek.
>>I think that these people down there love to learn foreign languages.
>>Tell us more .......
>
>So, the Greek educational system is also in a shambles, 'Kotinis.'
>History shows that within the last 170 years, Greeks played that 
>game twice: They used Istanbul Patriarch Grigorios in 1822 to 
>instigate the Morea rebellion that resulted in the massacres of 
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the Muslim people. Again, the Orthodox Patriarch Constantine V 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>invited the Russian Czar Nicholas II to invade the Ottoman Empire 
>'in the name of Jesus,' and save his flock from Ottoman rule. 

What kind of history is that?
In 1822 Greeks were fighting against Turks for the freedom of their
country '''HASAN'''. Wake up.
Is that the kind of history  that schools give in Turkey?
I don't want to believe that. 

>
>Source: "The 'Past' in Medieval and Modern Greek Culture," in Speros
>         Vryonis, ed., 'Byzantina kai Metabyzantina,' Vol I (Malibu,
>         Calif., 1978).
>
>It is the same mentality which allows Greeks to rationalize that 
>Cyprus is a Greek Island. No history book shows that it ever was. It 
>belonged to the Ottoman Turks 'lock, stock and barrel' for a period of 
>well over 300 years. In fact, prior to the Turks' acquisition of it, 
>following bloody naval battles with the Venetians in 1570 AD, the
>island of Cyprus belonged, invariably, to several nations: The 
>Assyrians, the Sumerians, the Phoenicians, the Egyptians, the Ottoman 
>Turks, of course in that order, owned it as their territory. But, it 
>has never been the possession of the government of Greece - not even 
>for one day - in the history of the world. Moreover, Cyprus is
>located 1500 miles from the Greek mainland, but only 40 miles from 
>Turkiye's southern coastline.
>
>>Or even better from a song (Stevie Nicks ?)
>>Tell me lies, tell me sweet sweet lies....
>
>Just say so.
>
I do say so.
Yoy didn't answer my question. Instead of giving a clear answer, you write
too many lines for nothing.
How do these people in Cyprus, speak Greek?

>Source: "The 'Past' in Medieval and Modern Greek Culture," in Speros
>         Vryonis, ed., 'Byzantina kai Metabyzantina,' Vol I (Malibu,
>         Calif., 1978).
>
>p. 161.
>
>In the words of Professor Skiotis, "With savage jubilance, [the Greeks]
>sang the words 'Let no Turk remain in the Morea, nor in the whole world.'
>The Greeks were determined to achieve to 'Romaiko' in the only way they
>knew how: through a war of religious extermination."
>
You don't write when the greeks were singing that.
They were singing that, when  Turks were occupying Greece
from 14th to 18th century, and Greeks were fighting for their freedom. 
What did you expect? To sing, "OH Turks, we love you, stay here
don't leave us, we can't live without you"?
Why don't you write the true and the whole story?


>>>Those involved in this grandiose hallucination should wake up 
>>>from their sweet daydreams and confront reality. Wishful 
>>>thinking is unproductive, only facts count.
>
>>Right. only facts count. 
>>And the facts say that Turkey, illegally occupies the 40% of the island.
>
>Is this the joke of the week? Following the Greek Cypriot attempt
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Of the month maybe.

>to annex the island to Greece with the aid of the Greek army, Turkiye
>intervened by using her legal right given by two international agreements. 
>Turkiye did it for the frequently and conveniently forgotten people of the
>island, Turkish Cypriots. For those Turkish Cypriots whose grandparents
>have been living on the island since 1571. 
>

You want to say that what Turkey is doing in Cyprus is legal?
Keeping away from their homes 200.000 Greek-Cypriots is legal?
Cheap propaganda Hassan. 

>Hasan B-) Mutlu
>
Yannis Kotinis
e-mail aeras!kotinis@sun.COM

PS. I  stop here because it's no meaning to continue.                
    Of course, I wait one more answer from ''''HASAN''''.
    If you want to make your propaganda, you should write less
    People get tired when  they read all your texts.