HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: Driver's License Number
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:25:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: BASIS International, Albuquerque NM

In article <1992Apr8.175246.10495@csi.jpl.nasa.gov> eldred@rrunner.jpl.nasa.gov (Dan Eldred) writes:
>In article <3664@winnie.fit.edu> marrone@ee.fit.edu (Michael Marrone) writes:
>>
>>	A while ago I received a phone call from my roommate's insurance
>>company, informing me that they needed MY driver's license number because
>>I would not be on his insurance, and since I am his roommate, I have a
>>higher probability of using his car.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Ah yes.  Guilty by statistics.

>If your roommate lies about not having a roommate, and you happen
>to be involved in an accident in his car, this could be grounds for
>denying coverage for the accident.  On the other hand, it would probably
>be possible to sign a waiver stating that you never drive his car,
>in which case you had better never drive his car.  I feel that the
>insurance company's position is reasonable in this case, as their
>contention that you would be likely to borrow your roommate's car
>seems well justified.  

I disagree.  This is getting much too complicated.  It is standard
procedure to enumerate who will be driving the automobile to be
insured.  If the roommate does not intend to let anyone drive his
car then he states as such and that's it.  The insurance company
should advise the roommate that he would not be covered in circumstances
where he let someone else drive the car.  Beyond that I don't see
where they get off presuming such a violation will occur, statistical
or otherwise.  When I was in college, my roommate and I never once 
bowwered each other's cars.  I would certainly not play ball with
my roommate's insurance company. 

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       | 
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |    "A man without a newsgroup"
                                     | 
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
Xref: sparky alt.privacy:1028 misc.consumers:10423
From: vanembur@romulus.rutgers.edu (Bill Van Emburg)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: capturing caller id data
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:29:51 GMT
Followup-To: alt.privacy
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Apr13.043402.4607@mdd.comm.mot.com> gilbert@mdd.comm.mot.com (John Gilbert) writes:

> "OH, thats real nice, but without proof we can't do anything.  Yes
> we're sure you really got the call... yes, we're sure you didn't make a
> mistake writing it down, but you have no proof.  Next time you should use the
> trap-and-trace feature on your phone, which will cause the phone company
> to trap the record of the call, and provide it to us.  Then we can do
> something..."
> 
..and actually, it takes at least two or three "trap-and-trace"
records before you have any chance of really making a case.


> CLID is not legal proof of anything at all.  Don't take my word for
> it... ask your local police.
> 
While CLID is not very good legal proof, it can be helpful.  A "phone
abuser" is much less likely to keep it up when he or she knows that
you know who they are....
-- 

					-BVE
					(er..that's Bill Van Emburg)
					(vanembur@remus.rutgers.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: tc@eff.org (Dave Banisar)
Subject: Re: Per call blocking in New Jersey How?
Originator: tc@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Distribution: nj
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:20:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.163259.7646@njitgw.njit.edu> andrews@magstim.njit.edu (John Andrews) writes:
>
>
>
>
>Coul someone fill me in on how to utilize per-call blocking in New Jersey?
>
>
>Thanks for the tip.
>
>								-=john


No blocking is available in NJ. It was introduced in 1987 by Bell Atlantic
with a PUC hearing. As we have seen in the last few weeks, when there
is a free and open hearing on the merits of the service, per line is
instituted in every case. Perhaps the citizens of NJ should ask for
one.....

-- 

David A. Banisar  
Computer Professionals For Social Responsibility
666 Pennsylvania Ave, SE #303 - Washington, D.C. 20003
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,alt.dcom.telecom
From: brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown)
Subject: Caller ID in Ohio
Organization: Oak Road Systems, Cleveland Ohio USA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 02:08:32 GMT

Recently, the Public Utilities Commission of Ohio decided the case on
Caller ID and Automatic Callback.  I have posted a summary to
misc.consumers, as well as a three-part condensation of the text (to
about 80K bytes).  The summary's Subject line is "Summary of Ohio decree
on Caller ID" and the condensation's is "Text of Ohio decree on Caller
ID, part x or 3" where x is in {1,2,3}.

I didn't crosspost them here because I wasn't sure of the etiquette.  If
you miss them in misc.consumers I understand that they'll soon be in the
Telecom archives maintained by PAT of Telecom Digest (comp.dcom.telecom
on Usenet).  Sorry, I can't mail out copies.

-- 
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cleveland, Ohio, USA   brown@ncoast.org

"All my life I've wanted to be somebody. I see now I should have been
more specific."                                         --Lily Tomlin
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,misc.consumers
From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Re: capturing caller id data
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 08:51:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.013748.6551@athena.mit.edu> sybok@m4-035-17.MIT.EDU (The Terminator) writes:
>>Caller ID lets you enforce these laws.  Somebody calls you with a
>>phone solicitation and they can't hide who they are (unless you take anonymous
>>calls)   You can record who called and press charges.
>>
>Why not strip away all the Bill of Rights? Then you could better
>enforce the law!  I guess you support the War on the Bill of Rights!?!

What an odd statement?  Could you show me where the right to make an
anonymous phone call is even remotely described in the bill of rights?
The closest I can come is where the rights not listed are assigned to the
states or to the people.   That's a pretty strained argument.

Now I do support the right, believe it or not, of people to solicit
business by phone.   However, that does not preclude the right of people
to refuse such solicitations, and to deny such solicitors entry to their
home, whether it is via physical or electronic means.    I can put up
a sign that says "no solicitors" at the edge of my property and I believe
the law respects that.

And so is it so far to say that I can put up a similar sign on the phone
lines coming into my home and expect it to be respected?
-- 
Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
Xref: sparky alt.privacy:1012 comp.org.eff.talk:3421 alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk:1580
From: ygoland@edison.seas.ucla.edu (The Jester)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,comp.org.eff.talk,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
Subject: Re: Privacy on Novell Lans
Date: 11 Apr 92 19:17:28 GMT
Followup-To: alt.privacy
Organization: The Hacker Conference

Here at UCLA we have a similiar situation (re:privacy on novell
lans) with our computer science mac lab. The lab is a group of 30 or
so mac's apple talked together with a couple of main servers. The
lab is fairly isolated. Though its possible to send and recieve net
mail, no other outside access is allowed. Accounts at the lab are
granted ONLY for class accounts to be used for class activities. The
reason that the monitoring situation is similiar is because the lab
officials have freely admited that they will either A) Run a program
to read all mail or B) Read all mail themselves in order to see if
anyone is sending anyone else code through the mail. (Apparently
there were rampant problems with cheating where by one student would
send another student the answer to an assignment through mail) So
now ALL mail is monitored. However I think you would be hard pressed
to find anyone who would argue with this 'big brother' attitude. The
accounts are ONLY for class uses and once I brought it to the
attention of my teacher that the 'academic honest statement' we had
signed implied that mail was read, he made an announcment in class
explaining that ALL mail was read and that no one should think it
was private.

So if the accounts the professor was monitoring were class accounts,
I have a feeling you will find that he is not in violation of any
laws. Especially if he made the total lack of privacy clear from the
start.

				The Jester
--
For some reason unintelligible to me, Lord Acton's dictum that
"Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely"
is rarely raised in connection with judges, who...possess power
..that comes [close] to being absolute"-Judge Bork
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: cristy@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Cristy)
Subject: Re: Social Security Number FAQ
Keywords: Social Security Number, SSN, privacy
Organization: DuPont Central Research & Development
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:04:41 GMT

Normal businesses can insist on an SSN and refuse to do business with
you if you do not give it.  The Federal SSN laws only apply to
government agencies.  However, the phone and electric company are
public utilities and are heavily regulated.  I do not believe they can
deny you service if you refuse to give your SSN.

I actually enjoy interacting with droids that insist on a SSN, or a
phone number, or perhaps an address.  They say they must have it and I
just simply say that they don't need it.  In all cases they eventually
say something like "So you refuse to give me your [SSN, phone number,
address]" and then complete the transaction.  I have never been refused
business yet (this includes the phone company, electric company,
insurance etc). Many government agencies are entitled by law to your
SSN.  An example is the state Motor Vehicle Department.

It's very amusing to me when I buy a small item at Sears and they
insist on my name, address, and phone number for a cash sale.
Especially when they say they cannot complete the sale without it.  I
just laugh.  For those that are not aware, many companies track YOUR
specific buying habits based on your phone number or SSN.  Don't become
"just another brick in the wall."  Just say no!
-- 
cristy@dupont.com
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: rcarter@isis.cs.du.edu (Ron Carter)
Subject: Norton looking into dispute over Caller ID [sic] (Colorado)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 17:38:41 GMT


Another round of the battle here in Colorado...

Gale Norton, the Colorado Attorney General will be looking
into what can be done about US West withdrawing their app
concerning Caller ID [sic], Call Trace etc. after it had
been modified by the Colorado Public Utilities Commission
to include free line blocking (automatic for nonpub/nonlist)
among other things.

Ron Binz, head of the Office of Consumer Counsel, will also
be asking US West to reintroduce Call Trace separately. It
is unclear at this time what price structure (if any) would
be associated with Call Trace.

Last call return was flatly denied by the CPUC because the
company "had no method of blocking the number."

--
Ron Carter | rcarter@nyx.cs.du.edu  rcarter GEnie  70707.3047 CIS 
  Director | Center for the Study of Creative Intelligence
Denver, CO | Knowledge is power. Knowledge to the people. Just say know.
From: andrews@magstim.njit.edu (John Andrews)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Per call blocking in New Jersey How?
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:32:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: njitgw.1992Apr9.163259.7646
Distribution: nj
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.





Coul someone fill me in on how to utilize per-call blocking in New Jersey?


Thanks for the tip.

								-=john
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 01:06:52 EDT
From: Olias of Sunhillow <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Genesis concerts?

Here are the Genesis dates that I know of:

5/14  Tampa- Tampa Stadium
5/16  Miami-Joe Robbie Stadium
5/19  Washington, DC- RFK Stadium

Mike
From: aa538@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Justin Glanville)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: heavy metal/stevie nicks?
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:38:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr6.213846.13677
Reply-To: aa538@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Justin Glanville)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, 880691c@ace.acadiau.ca (MATT CUNDILL) says:

>In article <1992Apr2.140147.12397@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rtimko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Roger M Timko) writes:
>
>>WHAT????? Stevie's was on the 'Heavy Metal' soundtrack? Does anyone know
>>what song it is? 
>
>This question has been bothering me all afternoon and I hope that I have 
>given you the right answer. I believe that the soon is called Lamp at 
>Midinte. If recall correctly the song comes off left of rock and right of 
>metal... it really is on its own, but a good listen to. 
>

It's called "Blue Lamp"... but you were close! :-)

Justin
-- 
jUsTiN gLaNvIlLe   eLlIvNaLg NiTsUj   jUsTiN gLaNvIlLe   eLlIvNaLg NiTsUj
aa538                         835aa              aa538              835aa    
Brecksville, Oh.   .hO ,ellivskcerB   Brecksville, Oh.   .hO ,ellivskcerB
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 14:11:22 EDT
From: <MAS173@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: FISH

I just saw a new album by Tony Banks of Genisis called " Still ",
on the back of the cd is a picture of the band (i suppose), and amoung them
is Fish!
Has anyone yet heard this album? Is it any good? Does Fish sing on all
the tracks. Being rather poor, i'd like to know before I invest any $$.
Any info would be appreciated.

Mark at PSU.
From: jlwoodal@garcia.warfield.edu (JEFFREY LEE WOODALL)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: GEDDY LEE"S real name
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:33:25 GMT
Reply-To: jlwoodal@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: Solar Federation

Nope, Geddy's real name is
GARY WEINTREIB  (forgive the misspelling)

Alex Lifeson has a "real" name as well, but I'm not even gonna TRY to
spell it!

Neal Peart = Neal Peart, however.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
Subject: *** Jethro Tull May 1992 tour dates ***
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 19:47:29 GMT


Jethro Tull tour dates -- May 1992 -- semi-acoustic tour
(phone venues to confirm shows-- some dates may change)

Day     Venue                           country

1       Guildford Civic Hall            England
2       Wembley Conference Centre       England
4       Dortmund Westfallenhalle        Germany
5       Mannheim Musensaal              Germany
6       Zurich Kongresshaus             Switzerland
7       Munich Prinzregententheater     Germany
9       Graz Stefaniensaal              Austria
10      Prague Lucerna Hall             Czechoslovakia
11      Berlin Metropoltheater          Germany
12      Frankfurt Alte Oper             Germany
13 & 14 Athens Attikon Theater          Greece   (both dates subject to change)
16 & 17 Ankara T.R.T. Ari Studyosu      Turkey
19      Be'er Sheva University          Israel
20      Haifa Technion                  Israel
21      Tel Aviv Bar Ilan University    Israel
22      Tel Aviv Mann Audiorium         Israel
23      Caesarea Ampitheatre            Israel

Ian Anderson is considering a 20-date U.S. tour in late summer '92,
and the band is also thinking about touring Australia, Japan, and
South America plus a few other places.

-- 
aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu * Dan Doooovall * Zone Czar 
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: roscoe@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Larry Allen Roscoe)
Subject: Re: The Cult (a question)
Originator: roscoe@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Reply-To: roscoe@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:50:57 GMT

From article <kqphb1nh@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, by ecuwk@warwick.ac.uk (Huggybear):
> In article <1992Apr13.015347.22132@javelin.sim.es.com> JHIATT@130.187.170.178 (JOHN HIATT) writes:
>>
>>  Okay Cult fans... we need your help.
>>There is a song either by the Cult the Death Cult or the Southern Death Cult...
>>don't know the name but its a slow tune and came out between 1980-1985.
>>It has the word "sunrise" in it several times... typical Cult sound.
>>
>>  We need to know the name of the tune, what album or b-side or otherwise this
>>tune is avaliable on... and also what the name of the band was at the time.
>>
>>EMAIL or post...   JHIATT@GEMINI.SIM.ES.COM
>>John & Preston.
> 
> Sunrise - B side on the Rain (possibly Revolution) single, on later
> editions of the Love CD.
> 
> Huggy
> -- 
> ******************************************************************************
> *      "She don't want a better mousetrap, She wants a faster pussycat"      *
> * This message was brought to you by Jason Cottrell, ecuwk@uk.ac.warwick.csv *
> ******************************************************************************


Ok...Here is how it goes...

Revolution 7"  Beg 152
Revolution (Remix)/All Souls Avenue
(also came with a free 7"  Judith/Sunrise   Beg 152D)

Revolution 12"  Beg 152T
Revolution (Full Length Remix)/ All Souls Avenue/ Judith/ Sunrise

Cassingle Beg 152C
Revolution (Remix)/ All Souls Avenue/ Judith/ Sunrise

Released  22 November 1985


The UK CD of Love includes Judith and Little Face (The B-side to Rain and
a B-side to one of the US 12" of She Sells Sanctuary)


Hope this helps....

-Larry



Revo
-- 
Email roscoe@csd4.csd.uwm.edu 

"I really enjoy the TUMMYSIZER(tm)...its the way I like to work out."
	-Quote from some dumb girl I saw on television
From: fsrhd@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Aerosmith Anthology CD wanted
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:19:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.1992Apr15.101948.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks



	Anyone out there have a CD  of Aerosmith's Anthology that they would
be willing to sell?  I thought that this was only on vinyl.  If you do or
you lead me to the succesful purchase of one there will be a "finders fee."
Thanks,
-- 
Bob Devine
fshrd@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman)
Subject: Re: 3 Greatest Con. Albums (RUSH flame war here!) 
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 14 Apr 92 02:38:43 GMT

In <1992Apr14.003648.19149@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dlb54694@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dan Blanchard) writes:

>cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman) writes:

>>How about "Best 13 Albums in a Row:"

> [a list of really bad Rush albums deleted]

>>by Rush, of course :-) 

>  Yeah right.....  :)

>  The best 18 albums (14 if yo don't count live albums and greatest hits)
>    Queen.  (I find it unnecessary to list them all out)

*I* won't bite!!!

No
no help me i can't control myself

queen suxnxjscjkdcdsfhsdfhdskjfs
rush is goddfdkfdjfd

Pjddsdkdjdl
*(^&)(*(*&*)(&*&YJUHUHUHHjkshrhsdhs
(quick injection of valium administered by attending nurse)

Ahem, as I was saying...
From: IO11330@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (the DM)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Three Greatest Consecutive Albums
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:06:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: MAINE.92106.200617IO11330
 <15APR199215094099@zeus.tamu.edu>
Organization: University of Maine System

All right try these three on for size...
          Moving Pictures
          Exit..... Stage left
          Signals
   By Rush of course


          Zenyata Mendata
          Ghost in the Machine
          Syncronicity
   Police




 Just a thought.....
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: gary@rocker.ingr.com (Gary Braswell)
Subject: Re: Axl Rose Sucks - For Your Info
Reply-To: gary@rocker.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:00:39 GMT

> 
> I'm basically writing this to see how many of you idiots actually think he's 
> any good.  I think that challenging Bob Guccione (who cares about the spelling)
> was a real big move for him.  Also it's not like they have so many songs that
> any pea brain can't remember the words.  There are enough dumb fans who alread
> did that, and they didn't write the songs or anything.  Neeeding teleprompters
> is a joke, and just adds to how bad he and that band are.
> 
> 
> 				By the way these attitudes aren't
> 				representative of the school, they don't really
> 				care about the pussy
> 
> 				Eric
> 


	Eric,

	  If you haven't already gotten the "Circa" CD by Mary's Danish, I
	  would recommend it, as it has an excellent cut called:

		'Axl Rose is Love?'

	  that bashes him pretty good.

	  Just FYI.

	Gary B.

	Standard Disclaimer:  My company nor my boss even knows who he is,
			      so don't bother them about it.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: jgc57708@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (just call me john)
Subject: Re: Roy Orbison's New Song
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 06:03:59 GMT

jsw21124@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Joseph S. Walker) writes:

>I have two questions about the new Roy Orbison song that's getting a lot of
>play on MTV.  First, I seem to remember the song.  Has somebody done it
>before?  Could it have been Cyndi Lauper, or is my memory playing tricks on
>me?  Oh, I probably should have mentioned that the song is "I Drove All Night."

>Second, I went to a couple of record stores the other day and couldn't find
>the album.  They said on MTV that it's a "various artists" kind of thing put
>out by Nintendo.  Do I have to go to a toy store to get it?  Has anybody bought
>it?  What else is on it?


first of all, let me tell you....roy orbison is DEAD  how is this supposed to
be a new song?????? can you tell me that?  second of all, there is a reason
this song doesnt sound modern...could it be that roy orbison wrote it long
ago and it is just recently been re-released for some unknown reason..(at
least to me)....all i know is hes been dead for a couple of years....have a
nice day....=)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: neeri@iis.ethz.ch (Matthias Ulrich Neeracher)
Subject: Re: Best live albums (was Re: Monsters of Rock 1992)
Organization: Integrated Systems Laboratory, ETH, Zurich
	<1992Apr1.204344.6637@acsu.buffalo.edu>
	<NEERI.92Apr2153517@iis.ethz.ch> <1189@dutiws.tudelft.nl>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 10:21:17 GMT

In article <1189@dutiws.tudelft.nl> bondt@dutiws.tudelft.nl (Piet de Bondt) writes:
>>I failed to make myself clear. I didn't mean a band *should* in their live
>>performances try to reproduce their albums. What I meant was that Pink Floyd is
>>not very good at doing anything besides reproducing their albums at live
>>performances.
>
>Sorry, but do you happen to have recordings from the '66-'77 years ?

Sure do, most of them.

>Interstellar Overdrive : over 14 minutes
>Atom Heart Mother : over 35 minutes
>Fat Old Sun : over 15 minutes
>Pink Blues : jam session
>Embryo : over 10 minutes
>Echoes : over 26 minutes
>Dark Side : alternate versions (esp. Any Colour You Like & On The Run)
>Pigs (Three different ones) : great jam session at the end. Over 17 minutes
>(not the jamming, the song)

All of which were not performed live on these albums, were they ? But if your
point is that Pink Floyd have some songs that have a "live feeling" to them, I
get it.

> However, to join music, singing and their huge laser/light
>show with all the movies in between, they can't do any great solo's or
>different versions (at least: not on the Wall and MLOR tours...)
>If you haven't seen them live, you can't judge about DSoT. Watch the DSoT
>video to get a better picture of the whole show and you know why I tell you
>all this

Quite likely, but this thread is about live *albums*, where all the floating
pigs don't count :-)

Matthias

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Matthias Neeracher                                   neeri@iis.ethz.ch
   "One fine day in my odd past..." -- Pixies, _Planet of Sound_