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From: marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:38:04 GMT
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX System (416-249-5366) 24hrs.

In article <4bbnx1p@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
>fox@rei.com (Fuzzy Fox) writes:
>Of course, if you give her my phone number, she can call and chat with me
>and I can send (fax or mail) her a contract.  I know, that's a bit complicated
>for sophisticated computer users but that's the way business works.
>
	Didn't I read somewhere a few articles back that dixie was
a 'FREE' public access system??  Why a contract?

>Hmm.  Unless you're a person in Atlanta looking for local public access.
>Then you're shit outta luck, huh?  Before you celebrate Dixie's being
>hurt by not being listed on the public toilet list, consider what 
>happens to the person on the other side of the fence.
>
	I just love how the one being flamed tries to lash out
at everyone else as he loses the battle. :)  I needed a good cheering
up today, that's for sure.  Still haven't figured out the exact
dilemna (sp?) here...the author of Nixpub has its policies about who
gets published in the list, all the net is happy with it, or at least
I have never seen a complaint before this, and one whiner running
one site (probably insignificant site at that) wants the policies to
change to conform to *his* idea of what a Public Access site 
should be.  

	Please...someone tell me that this guy is not
'typical american'?

Marc

>Need Usenet public Access in Atlanta?  Write Me for info on Dixie.com.

	Sorry...wouldn't waste my time...or someone elses...would
rather recommend one of those 'hobbist' sites.  At least the
admin there sounds better...friendly...less 'anal-retentive'.


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From: moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Pay for a BBS?
Keywords: bbs
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 13:59:05 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

craigs@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Stace) writes:

> Well, I've run various BBSs, and never charged.  But I'm going to start soon.
>
> So why will I start charging?
>
> Well, first off, I'm going to start networking.  This is going to involve lon
> distance bills.  This was an unforseen cost.  I'm going to need a higher spee
> modem.  Another unforseen cost.  I'll need more disk space if I want to join
> to UUCP as well, and this too requires money.

Welcome to the delima.
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From: Tony-Preston@cup.portal.com (ANTHONY FRANCIS PRESTON)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Citadel68K doors wanted
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 06:49:32 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Citadel BBS does not seem to be big on doors.  I produced the Space 
Empire(after tracking down Jon Radnoff and getting the original V1.0
source.).  I also wrote my first "original" door, Nuclear Warfare.
Nuclear Warfare is in Beta Testing right now, but almost ready to
be released.  It actually can be played as a non-door game!  It
is a game of strategy and diplomancy tempered with a nuclear mushroom
or two.  Also David Wright's version of Empire runs as a door.  I
have all of these on The Amiga Zone (609) 953-8159.  Space Empire
is up to V3.0, Nuclear Warfare V0.05, and Amiga Empire 2.25w.
 
Interesting enough, my beta testers are both DLG sysops.
From: "john lorenc" <john.lorenc@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: bbs + fax
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:56:26 EST
Reply-To: "john lorenc" <john.lorenc@canrem.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

I have an application to which I think BBS software may be suited.  Users will
dial up the BBS and upload data files whose format is well defined.  Data in
these files will be processed and then faxed back to the user.

I have been a long time user of PCBoard and understand that there are
programmable extensions called doors.  At this time, I assume that is what I
would need.  I am familiar with C programming and have dabbled in serial
communications in the past.  

Specific questions that I have:

What type of operating system is required?  I'd prefer to stick with DOS, but
would consider OS/2 if it's more appropriate.

How would/could the faxes be queued, if the line was busy / no answer / fax
machine out of paper?  I would initially use two phone lines - 1 in and 1 out. 
It would be nice to have a user uploading at the same time as a previous users
fax is being sent out.

What BBS software would be most suitable?

What fax card / software would be suitable?

How difficult is it to program doors?


I'd like to hear from anyone that has done something like this or has
confidence that it can be done.  Do I have a chance to make this idea work or
am I dreaming?

John Lorenc

Internet:  john.lorenc@canrem.com
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: c9106225@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Matt McLeod)
Subject: Setting up BBS.  Help please!
Organization: Dept of Management, Uni of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 05:16:19 GMT

I intend to set up a BBS.  I'd appreciate any advice on such things as the best
software to use, the best OS to run it under (anything that'll run on a PC
including MSDOS, DRDOS, OS/2, Unix, etc)

Please respond by e-mail as I'm sure most of the readers of this group have
been through this hundreds of times...  :-)

Thanks in advance!

Matt



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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
From: jerryg@ssd.intel.com (Jerry Gaiser)
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committee Formed (mine)
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:07:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.132001.8459@qiclab.scn.rain.com> 70465.203@compuserve.com writes:
>dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
>>Any BBS that keeps its messages or conferences database in an indexed flat file
>>would have improved disk space characteristics over even the best Unix file
>>system.  If one takes that one step further and compresses the actual contents
>>of the message (requiring a dedicated reader, of course), then the size of the
>>message database will have been significantly reduced.
>
>Quickbbs, RA, and SuperBBS all us a common format (stolen from QuickBBS :-)
>that does the database bit, but without compression. Compression is likely
>to lose more performance than the gain in disk space would justify. 
>

Unless you use the Maximus/Squish combination, which is my configuration. The
messages are compressed in a single file per echo with indexes. I really don't
think you can see any reasonable performance loss. And it makes a huge
difference in disk space.

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         Usenet: jerryg@ssd.intel.com
        Fidonet: 1:105/380
           PBBS: n7pwf@n7pwf.or.usa.na
From: utter@acsu.buffalo.edu (Block-1)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: RE-USRobotics SysOp deal
Date: 30 Aug 92 18:49:05 GMT
Organization: Blocks BBS

>Did you get any of the new USR DS 16.8 modems?  Did they do
>anything to improve the v.32bis portion -- or does the 16.8
>only affect the HST operation?)
>
>We should have our new 16.8 DS modems on Monday --

	Larry, the 16.8 only affects the HST side of the modem.  but the new
16.8 Duals have a few added features.  One of which is the higher DTE rate of
57600, and upgradeable to V.Fast when it comes out.  I do believe that they
did do a few MINOR improvements to the V.32bis end.  

	The new 16.8's are smaller then the older USR high speeders.  If you have ever seen a USR 2400e it's in the same size casing!  But it's still the same
USR look to it.




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From: weenie@yenta.alb.nm.us (Dean Kerl)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Pay for a BBS?
Keywords: bbs
Date: 25 Aug 92 15:35:14 GMT
Organization: yenta unix pc, rio rancho, nm

mbarry@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshall Barry) writes:

>	The concept of paying for a BBS, as opposed to paying for a "service"
>	is what is really at stake.  If all BBSes are "presumed" to be 
>	"for profit" or "requiring a fee", then entities such as the 
>	telephone company, IRS, etc. will ALSO presume such, and suddenly
>	the BBS community will be ensnared in a mass of red tape, regulation,
>	and so forth.  If the majority are "free", then it is more difficult
>	to treat a BBS as a for-profit entity... and while it also means that
>	they are not as "organized" as "fee" systems, it is easier to 
>	equate them with "pamphleteers" (to quote Dr. Pournelle) and entitled
>	to "freedom of the press".

I can more than vouch for the red tape since we are a for profit system!
However, our right to freedom of the press cannot be denied because we
are in it for the money. Most of the newspapers I know try to make a 
profit as well.

>	services, can (and will) ride over and destroy (or severely damage)
>	the "free" or "non-profit" services -- as it is QUITE easy for a
>	well-funded service to drive smaller systems or organizations right
>	out of existance - especially if such is intended.

How can a system like mine that charges 50 cents/hour possibly put a
free system out of business? 

Dean
weenie@yenta.alb.nm.us
From: martin.altorfer@active.uucp.ch (Martin Altorfer) 
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: TEST
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:57:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Active-Net BBS - Rapperswil, SG - (055) 26 18 15
Reply-To: martin.altorfer@active.uucp.ch (Martin Altorfer) 

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just a test
                                                                              
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: Coherent Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 15:03:26 GMT

larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>
> Ok, allow Coherent now, QNX tommorrow, OS2 next month, DOS next year
> (of course with the unix tools like ls, grep, etc..) -- maybe a DOS
> machine that has SMTP/NNTP should be included today?

Unix is a philosophy.  Unix is a state of mind.  In my opinion, overgrown
monstrosities like SunOS shouldn't be called Unix; even linux is closer
to having the Unix attitude.

Obviously, therefore, there is going to be some disagreement between people
on what Unix is, and I don't think it's possible to resolve.
--scott
   (still running V7 on one machine, and delighted with it)
From: bforob@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (WBFO 88.7 FM -- Rob Rothkopf)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committ
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:53:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BtE0IG.Cwu@gator.rn.com>, larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes...
>cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise) writes:
> 
>>> for DOS machines, maybe -- but DOS machines don't rule the
>>> world.  DOS machines make up the majority of single line BBS
>>> systems -- yes -- 
>>> 
> 
>Unix machines in number exceed DOS machines when referring to multiline
>operarations -- take the typical university for example, at Notre Dame
>they have anywhere from 60-250 folks on on machine during the day
> 
>here, we usually run 10 users.  On our machine in Indy -- 12 users is
>typical.  We have users running DOS, the unix BBS, in shells, another
>runs Word Perfect, etc -- try that under DOS.

Where I am, we're running 12 nodes locally on a bbs, and 2 dial-in's.  Each of 
the 12 nodes is running DesqView under MSDos, running both Word Perfect, BBS, 
an internal Corporate Database system and Emacs all at the same time.. since 
you asked :-).

--Rob
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: TBBS is too conservative!
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:14:04 GMT

davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

>I see. Still, since DOS is single-tasking, as far as users are
>concerned DOS + TBBS become one: different people can't shell out to
>different programs at the same time. 

actually, the author is very conservative -- he could have easily
support using expanded memory for the running of external applications,
be he decided againt it -- eSoft has a history of being conservative --
look how long it took for zmodem?  And, from what I have heard, TBBS
still doesn't support quoting or a full screen editor -- and this
is 1992!







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From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committee Formed (mine)
Date: 30 Aug 92 15:50:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: qiclab.1992Aug30.155040.21022
Reply-To: 70465.203@compuserve.com
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.

larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

>leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) writes:

>>Now price a 1.2 gigabyte drive for a PC file server and for a VAX
>>(not a MicroVAX). At my last job, we happened to be upgrading or
>>Compaq DeskPro 486 and our VAX 6420 at the same time. The drives
>>for the VAX cost 10 times what the ones for the PC did...
>>(And don't even ask what the ones for the IBM mainframe cost!)

>that is because you were getting the drives from the vendors verses
>sole-sourcing the drives yourself --

Well with the IBM system we were kinda stuck. There aren't a lot of
outfits that sell gear that you can hook to an IBM without violating
your service agreement. They charge a *lot*.

On the VAX they *didn't* buy the drives from DEC, but once again the
drives *and interfaces* tend to cost more than on PCs. 
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: teddybur@netcom.com (John Sanger)
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 02:47:56 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

By your last post you have hoisted yourself upon your own pitard.

I hope the net governors are paying attention and take appropriate action
in your case.

By your own post you have stated that you intend to maliciously attack Phil
and his efforts to provide a little bit of badly needed information.
You have called the list 'bogus' but infact the only thing that is bogus is
you and your concepts.  You do not provide a 'public access' system but
only provide a private access system.

I suggest to all site news administrators that your posts be put into a
news kill file and not be posted henceforth on any system that receives the
news.


Ciao!
	John S. :^)
	teddybur@netcom.com
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From: hamish@cloud.pub.uu.oz.au (Hamish Moffatt)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Waffle 1.65 is available (details)
Date: 25 Aug 92 06:23:00 GMT

Hello Ralph!

Monday August 10 1992 02:44, Ralph Sims wrote:

 RS> It's also on GEnie, in the MSDOS file section.  It has been hatched
 RS> into the SC_UUCP Fidonet distribution network.  Another ftp site is
 RS> zeus.ieee.org.

Not to meantion SIMTEL20's PD1:<MSDOS.WAFFLE> directory, archie.au's
/micros/pc/oak/waffle directory, and other SIMTEL20 mirrors. Also available for
file request as WAF165.ARJ here, limited hours though :-)

Regards,
Hamish


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===================================== Standard Disclaimer Applies ===========
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From: tachyon@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Tane' Tachyon)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Public-access netmail in Longmont, CO and/or Rome, GA?
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:58:28 GMT
Organization: Tachyon Labs
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


I'd like to find out about any public-access systems in either
of those two cities where people can send and receive e-mail
without running up big phone bills to Denver or Atlanta.
Thanks for any information anyone can give.
 
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From: erik@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Erik VanRiper)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committee Formed
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:44:42 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source Pub Access Unix

In article <BtHHMK.7EF@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>mbarry@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshall Barry) writes:
>
>>	If you're trying to say that everything should be absolutely free...
>
>most DOS users believe that BBS's should be free -- and that the SYSOP
>"owes them".  Yes -- I've seen it year after year.  Since moving to UNIX
>I've come to know a new breed of user who doesn't mind sharing the expense -
>which keeps the machine up and running.  I still get the DOS users who send
>in a subscription - and likewise, I still get the DOShead who believes the 
>machine should be free "since I owe them" 

Ok..  now we are doing equations that are not true.  I am the Sysadm of this
Public Access Unix site.  Yes, I ran a DOS based BBS for 6 years.  Yes, I
had my share of high phone bills (average of $300.00 a month).  Still does
not mean that I have to charge.

Now, to agree with you.  Yes, there are some USERS (not "DOSheads") that 
"expect" everything to be free.  I can live with them.  However, when they 
start "expecting" things that are just not normal, that is when I am
bothered.  You always have your 10%.  :-)



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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committee Formed (mine)
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:58:39 GMT

dawson@willard.UUCP writes:

>Last I looked, disk space for PC's was (and I'm sure still is) MUCH less
>expensive than the same space for Unix or VMS platforms.

My UNIX system and his MicroVax II system uses the same Micropolis ESDI 
hard drive that you buy for your Pee-Cee for less than $1000.

Guess what? 

That's right. We pay the same price.


MD
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From: DURFLING@AC.GRIN.EDU (Finagle, etc. Durflinger,Edward M)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: HELP FIND TAMMY ZYWICKI'S KILLER
Date: 4 Sep 1992 16:09:24 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

        This is an update to the information about Tammy Zywicki that I
recently posted to this network.  The body in Missouri was indeed
identified as being that of Grinnell senior Tammy Zywicki. I post this
information in the hopes that concerned people will continue the effort in
the hopes of bringing Tammy's killer to justice and making our roads a
safer place for both women and men.

        The letter makes references to a poster containing a police drawing
of the truck that Tammy was last seen getting into.  If you would volunteer
to post these drawings in your area, send your address or fax # to me and I
will get you copies of the material.

Thank you;
Ed Durflinger
durfling@ac.grin.edu
_____________________________________________________________________________
						4 September 1992
						Grinnell College


	YOU CAN STILL HELP IN THE SEARCH FOR TAMMY'S KILLER!!!


	Tammy Zywicki, a 21 year old Grinnell College senior, was abducted 
on Interstate 80 in Illinois, near LaSalle, on Sunday afternoon, 23 August.  
Her body was recently found along the side of a road in southwest Missouri, 
stabbed seven times in the chest and once in the right arm.  While the Search 
for Tammy is over, the Grinnell College community is continuing its efforts to 
find the person that is responsible for this horrific crime.

	The enclosed poster was the last one released, before Tammy's body 
was identified.  The truck is a white semi, with diagonal stripes of rustish 
color. 
        This truck has been identified as a vehicle that was parked in front of 
Tammy's car on I-80.  While the driver is NOT a suspect, the police are 
attempting to contact the driver in an attempt to discover what transpired 
on that Sunday afternoon of her disappearance.  If you have any information 
pertaining to the Tammy Zywicki case, or know anything at all concerning the 
truck, please call the Illinois State Police at either of the following numbers:

	1-815-224-1150   or 	1-800-U-HELP-ME 
 

	Please post this poster and keep your eyes and ears open for any 
information pertaining to this case.

			Thank you very much,

			The Grinnell College Community



 
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