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From: djp@ecs.soton.ac.uk (David Pritchard)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Re: "Get your hands off me!"
Date: 12 Jan 93 11:34:58 GMT
Reply-To: djp@ecs.soton.ac.uk
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Organization: SNARC

In article 6915@net.bio.net, charleen@net.bio.net (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
 writes:
>Once again, I'm back from a lovely PACE dance (C-1, Mike Jacobs
>calling), and once again, I have to wonder what it is about Challenge
>dancing that makes some people think it's perfectly okay to grab a
>total stranger with both hands, by the shoulders, and try to shove her
>into place.  (Yes, "her".  I've never noticed this being done to men,
>possibly for fear of being punched out.)
>
Well, this HAS happened to me.  She was firm, insistent and non-violent
so I would not have minded if she had also been right.

This was not a WSD event, but EFDSS.  There are a lot of little old
ladies who think that since they have been dancing for 60 years they
know everything.  These are, fortunately, a minority.  But since that
event I always wear my EFDSS badge in self-defence when dancing outside
my usual clubs.

Generally, in the UK at least, it is acceptable for one dancer to
correct another - provided, of course, that the level of `force' and
tact is appropriate to the urgency of the situation.   Either sex can
do it - generally the nearest/most alert dancer to the trouble spot.

Unlike WSD, which I recall has a reasonably formal system of levels and
compulsory tuition (maybe even an official dancing licence?), English
dancing is (normally) learnt from the deep end - with `live' tuition and
a mix of difficulties at the same event.  Individual dances have their
own names, often their own tune, so experienced dancers can advise
the inexperienced when it would be appropriate to join the beer queue
rather than dance.

Strangely, opinions as to the level of a dance vary.  This year our
club has been joined by an American teacher over here on an exchange
program.  One night the caller threw in a few Contras for variety - we
hardly noticed and just did them, but the American visitor said that
that particular dance (which he recognised) would be regarded as
difficult back home.  He has called some dances for us, which he
regarded as easy but most of us (not me of course) had difficulties.
  
--
Dr David J. Pritchard		
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From: "JULIE MANGIN" <jmangin@asrr.arsusda.gov>
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Dancin' Shoes
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:45:15 GMT


Thanks, Lisa, for your response.  I used to buy Capezio character 
shoes, but found that there are different levels of quality.  The 
last time I was in New York City, I went to *THE* Capezio store on 
Seventh Avenue, where all the Broadway dancers go to buy their shoes.  
They had character shoes for upwards of $125.00 (that was in 1986, I 
don't know what they cost now).  These shoes looked like tanks!  The 
salesperson said it was not unusual for dancers to wear these shoes 
for decades, they are so sturdy.

I'm so glad that there are other cloggers on the list.  I hope you 
will post information about the Coal Country Convention.  I look 
forward to it every year.  J.C. Miller has already been thinking 
about sending in his money so he can retain his record for being the 
first person to sign up every year.  For those who don't know, the 
Coal Country Convention has more clogging and Southern-style squares 
than any other dance camp in the country.  It's wonderful!

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Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
From: lincke@ssc.gov (Eric Lincke)
Subject: Re: People's Folk Dance Directory??
Organization: Medium Energy Booster, SSCL
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 04:38:22 GMT



I received a postcard in the mail a month ago from:

The Society of Folk Dance Historians
2100 Rio Grande
Austin, Tx 78705

They claim to be a non-profit org. putting together the 
"Folk Dance Phone Book". They say it will have an alphabetical listing
of individuals, groups, musicians, teachers, institutions, and vendors
that cater to folk dancers. It says it will also have a geographical listing
by city and state for mobile folkies. They are also selling
advertisement space in it. Anybody else get this postcard, and are
they associated at all with the people who did the 1989 PFDD?

E. Lincke
From: CHU@TUCVM2.VNET.IBM.COM
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: (none)
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:45:12 GMT

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Subject :  Dance activities in Alaska

  I'm posting this request for a couple who do not have access to
  the net.  They are interested in any dance camps in Alaska this
  summer (June, July or early August).
  We are already aware of the cruises, anyone out there who may
  know of any camps covering International, Scandinavian or Contra
  please email directly to me ... If you also have specific information
  about this year camps in Washington state (i.e. Port Townsend), I'm
  also interested.  Thanks, John.
From: chroth@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Charles H. Roth)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Re: People's Folk Dance Directory
Date: 11 Jan 1993 22:25:21 -0600
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas
Distribution: usa
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The Society of Folk Dance Historians (TSOFDH) is an Austin-based 
non-profit organization run by Ron Houston.  They plan to publish
a Folk Dance Phone Book this spring.  They are not affiliated 
at all with the people who put out the People's Folk Dance Directory.
TSOFDH sent out about 3000 postcards to their mailing list asking for
information.  The contents of the Folk Dance Phone Book will be based
on the responses received.  This year's phone book will be limited in
scope, but they plan to expand it in the future.  As far as I know,
the International Folk Culture Center in San Antonio still plans to
put out an updated version of the People's Folk Dance Directory some
time in the future.

Chuck Roth
From: pearl@spectacle.sw.stratus.com (Dan Pearl)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Re: It's Announcement Time!
Date: 11 Jan 1993 19:50:59 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: spectacle.sw.stratus.com

I help run two dances.  At the small (25-30 people) International Folk
Dance, we do tend to make announcements consisting of 
	* welcome
	* reminder to pay at the self-service money box
	* thanks to the refreshment providers
	* thanks to the programmer for the evening
	* upcoming events of interest

The first four items tend to get done quickly.  The last item might drag on.
We do them during the refreshment break.  People don't seem to mind; maybe
they have just gotten used to the routine.

At the large (130-180) contra dance, we do not make announcements as a
rule.  However, if there is an exceptional situation ("The <so-and-so>
dance has been moved/cancelled this week", "There is NO dance next week", etc.)
then we will make an announcement.  Otherwise, we let the pile of flyers
on the flyer table do the talking for us.

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From: trb@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Andrew Tannenbaum)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Re: WSD: "Get your hands off me!"
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:06:52 GMT
Organization: Beth trb - Baruchline, MA, USA
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Let me assume that at non-beginner levels of WSD, there are few
beginners.  (Clever, eh?)  At these dances, I would think that steering
strangers around forcibly would be both rude and unnecessary.
Experienced dancers should be paying attention to the people in their
squares, they should recognize problems, and they should be able to
figure them out or at least be able to respond to verbal cues from
other members in the set - no pushing necessary.

Contra dancing is a whole nother ball of wax.  There are always
beginners at contra dances, and they get lost all the time.  I mean
lost.  They are in the wrong place, they won't easily recognize the
problem or the solution.  They don't know enough to look at people's
faces for cues, so you can't get their attention by talking.  I pull
errant dancers around in sets all the time.  I'm usually right
(sometimes wrong - that's life).  I usually get a grateful response, and
if I don't, it's almost always because the person is frustrated or
otherwise grouchy, rather than because I invaded their space.

It is important to remember that if dancers in a set actually do get
lost, then it can cause the structure of the set to decay, so it is
helpful to do what's necessary to mend the set.

Note that at contra dances it is common for experienced dancers to
crowd into the center sets and reserve dances with other experienced
dancers, leaving newcomers to fend for themselves in the outer sets.
When novices are coupled with experienced dancers, they fare much
better.  I have often gotten the response from a beginner: "oh, good,
someone here understands what's going on."  I have pulled klutzy
beginners through tough dances, sometimes to the amazement of other
dancers.  All it takes is a little attention and a little luck.

It is possible that where you dance there is some jerk who has a habit
of meddling with everyone's dancing.  This wouldn't be a problem of a
person correcting errors, it would be a problem of a meddling jerk.

I certainly don't advocate dancers pushing around experienced people
who are already in their proper places, and I don't notice this
happening too often.  I don't favor the use of excessive force in any
situation, on the dance floor or off.  I consider it appropriate to
pull a dancer into the right place if talking or pointing won't do it,
and when I do touch someone in the course of making the correction, I
don't worry about it, since the "invasion of space" is no different
from an allemande (or most other dance figures where you touch others).
Even if I can't reach your hand and I pull on your shoulder, it's no
big deal, if you're dancing, you are always having your space invaded.

I find that usually when people complain about person X invading their
space, the problem is that they don't like person X, and so it bothers
them that person X invaded their space, which is not a space problem,
it's a social problem.

	Andrew Tannenbaum   Brookline, MA  USA
From: jb@world.std.com (Joel L Breazeale)
Subject: Re: People's Folk Dance Directory??
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:23:41 GMT

In article <1ihkk1INNgi0@transfer.stratus.com> pearl@spectacle.sw.stratus.com (Dan Pearl) writes:
>I heard a rumor yesterday that the PFDD has been taken over by other people
>for the next revision.  Does anyone have any concrete information?
>
It is a fact.  The next one will be produced by the International Folk Culture
Center at Our Lady of the Lake University, San Antonio. Phone: 210-434-6711 x407
Address: 411 SW 24th Street; San Antonio, TX 78207-4689.
I understand the Texas IFD Board approved this at their last meeting.

I've been trying to get them onto USENET...  Give 'em a hint...  They could
get their information much more efficiently via e-mail through local informants.

--Joel
jb@world.std.com
From: charleen@net.bio.net (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: WSD: "Get your hands off me!"
Date: 10 Jan 93 15:45:22 GMT
Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Biology

Once again, I'm back from a lovely PACE dance (C-1, Mike Jacobs
calling), and once again, I have to wonder what it is about Challenge
dancing that makes some people think it's perfectly okay to grab a
total stranger with both hands, by the shoulders, and try to shove her
into place.  (Yes, "her".  I've never noticed this being done to men,
possibly for fear of being punched out.)

We all have our personal space.  By dancing, we allow limited access to
that space; it's acceptable and necessary for dancers to hold hands 
(as long as they're not squeezing), and fine to grasp a forearm for a
turn thru or non-pattycake allemande left.  It's true that this guy
didn't hurt me by grabbing me, but the violation of my personal space
where no access was granted shocked me so much that I snapped
"Get your hands off me!"  He gasped (really, I heard him), and dropped
his hands.  And then of course refused to take hands at all for the
rest of the tip, which is a cute little vengeful maneuver I've seen
before.

By saying something I, of course, had violated one of square dancing's
primary unwritten rules:  We Are All Having Such Fun Even Though That
Guy/Gal Is A Twit/Jerk/Incompetent/Sociopath/Whatever.  Unpleasantness not
allowed.  I think there wouldn't be a need for unpleasant incidents if
there was a code of behavior, and I'm sure there is one lurking about
somewhere, but there's no enforcement, informal or otherwise.

Since this isn't the first time this has happened to me at a PACE dance
(or the second...), I'd like to see the Board of Directors
adopt some guidelines re dancer interaction:  The first time in an
evening someone uses roughness (unnecessary roughness, 10 yard
penalty), they're warned.  The second time, they're asked to leave the
dance.  I know the last Board was aware of the problem; they were
sincerely concerned when I reported last year that someone had grabbed
my shirtfront (and a fold of skin) and shoved during a tip where I was
going the wrong way.  That time, there was pain that brought tears to
my eyes.  I don't think that an incipient mistake justifies rough and
inappropriate "corrective" action, although clearly some people do, and
that's the heart of the problem.  

Charleen
From: schillinger@a1.mscf.upenn.edu (Don Schillinger)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Israeli Dancing: San Francisco
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:12:49 GMT
Followup-To: rec.folk-dancing
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I am planning on taking a ski trip to the Lake Tahoe area (at the end of
January or beginning 
of February) and would like to combine it with a stop in the Bay area.  
Can any of you 
recommend a good night and location for an advanced Israeli Folkdancer?  

I would prefer a large, advanced group in San Francisco, but I am willing
to drive to Berkeley,
San Rafael, Cupertino, Sunnyvale, San Jose, Mt. View, Palo Alto, and even
Sacramento,
in order to be part of a good, energized group.

Thank you, in advance.

                                            -- DON --


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Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
From: mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu (Mary E. Allison)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: WSD - worldwide directory?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 18:53:58 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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     Someone mentioned something about a worldwide WSD directory.  Is
there such a beast and if so where do I get my paws on one?

     My fiance (who will be my husband by then) and I are planning a
trip to Europe (Ireland, Great Britain, and/or The Netherlands) around
the beginning to the middle of May.  I think it would be SO NEAT to
dance over there.  We can dance any level up to Advanced.

{ PERSONAL TO JOHN AND CHARLEEN - hey - the Quads aren't having a dance
  during that time - I gotta go SOMEWHERE :] }

--
If you are going to become a writer, the last thing you want is a
computer because you won't become a writer, you will become a
nerd or a nervous wreck. 
  -- Mike Royko

    Mary Allison (mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu) Urbana, Illinois
From: pearl@spectacle.sw.stratus.com (Dan Pearl)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Contra dance books: Capsule reviews
Date: 5 Jan 1993 17:51:53 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
Distribution: world
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There are more and more books on contra dancing and contra calling being
written these days.  Here are some capsule reviews for your reading pleasure.
I rate them on the measures of Repertorire, Calling Skills, and Readability.  
Scale is (--, -, 0, +, ++)

                                      Reper-   Calling  Read-
                                      toire     skills  ability
Armstrong's Caller-Teacher Manual	+	++	+
- Fairly basic repertoire, dated
- A good, very basic, text

Peter Stix, Contrabutions		0	-	0
- Typical caller-produced pamphlet,
- Dances don't always travel well

Contras as Ralph Page Called Them	-	-	-
- Kind of a hodgepodge.  Dances are
  available elsewhere.  Limited utility

Gene Hubert, Dizzy Dances v.2 & v.3    ++       -       0
- Better dances than most caller-
  produced pamphlets

Tony Parkes, Contra Dance Calling	+	++	++
A Basic Text
- Addresses virtually everything that
  might confront a caller, however 
  nothing is addressed very deeply.

Tollman & Page, Country Dance Book      --      --      +
- Useful for history, only

Ted Sannella, Balance and Swing		++	+	++
- A classic.  Encourage Ted to finish
  his sequel.

Larry Jennings, Zesty Contras		++	+	--/-
- Lots o' dances, tersly presented.
- Text is valuable but vocabulary is
  often above college-level.
- Dance sequences can be deciphered
  once you realize that it isn't that
  cryptic.

Penn Fix, Contradancing in the 
Pacific Northwest(?)                    +       0       0
- Some interesting dances

Dave Kaynor's book			0	++	+
- Literate, but rambling.  More of a
  philosophy book, but with some
  teaching hints.

Tony Parkes, Shadrack's Delight (book)	++	-     	+
- A decent collection                          
             (companion tape)                   ++
- Great if you are starting calling
  and you don't have local examples of
  good calling.

Larry Edelman, Square Caller's Workbook  +	++	-
- If you want to call squares, this 
  is great
- A companion to Larry's workshops that
  he leads at Augusta Heritage Workshop in
  Elkins, WV. (HIGHLY RECOMMENDED)

I think you can get all these items from the Country Dance and Song Society.
They are at (413) 584-9913, and they take MC/VISA.  If you are not a member
of CDSS, consider joining.  Three times a year in their newsletter, they have
a column called "The Contra Connection" written by Larry Jennings, Ted
Sannella, and myself, which addresses items of concern to contra dance
leaders.  You can get copies of the 14 or so previous columns from CDSS
for a nominal charge.

If you want to get Tony Parkes' stuff directly from him, write

	Hands Four Book and Record Service
	P.O. Box 641
	Bedford, MA  01730

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Dan Pearl  **  Stratus Computer, Inc.  **  pearl@spectacle.sw.stratus.com
From: dave@monitor.larc.nasa.gov (Dave Hinde)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Re: Shoes---thanks to all who wrote me
Date: 5 Jan 1993 20:56:03 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
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In article <1993Jan5.194858.10022@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, elliott@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
|> Thank you all for the information on shoes for contra dancing.  I thought I
|> would post a summary of the findings.  (Sorry I do research for a living).  (No
|> crosstabs will be provided here.)
|> 
|> Many folks across the country add leather soles to their rubber soled athletic
|> shoes.  Others use inserts with their Capezios. ....................
.......................stuff deleted.....................................
|> Elsa  

Interesting, I was just talking with a friend about shoes at a dance this past
weekend.  I'm a Western Square Dancer, and we dance on a lot of different types
of floor.  I've always danced (30 years) in leather soled shoes.  Some dancers
like athletic type shoes for concrete floors, because of the added padding.  The
problem is the sole.  
My question is: How do you add leather soles to rubber soled athletic shoes?  How
do they hold up? (OK, 2 questions)

                                      ___/,@___  Dave Hinde, Last Minute Racing
                                     /_o_____o_| dave@monitor.larc.nasa.gov
From: pearl@spectacle.sw.stratus.com (Dan Pearl)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: People's Folk Dance Directory??
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:09:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: spectacle.sw.stratus.com

I heard a rumor yesterday that the PFDD has been taken over by other people
for the next revision.  Does anyone have any concrete information?

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Dan Pearl  **  Stratus Computer, Inc.  **  pearl@spectacle.sw.stratus.com
From: charleen@net.bio.net (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Re: Shoes, Floors (my own 2 bits)
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:18:48 GMT
Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Biology

In article <C0JvHs.CFJ.2@cs.cmu.edu> air@cs.cmu.edu (Alex Rudnicky) writes:
>
>I agree with Jim Saxe that floor wear is mistakenly attributed to hard soles.   
>The real culprit is street grit.  You can convince yourself of this by closely  
>examining a (newly refinished) floor after a dance.  

I'm a bit envious of you people who actually get to dance on wood
floors.  Much Western square dancing in this area is done at schools or
convention centers where the floor is cement or linoleum.  We don't
have to worry about the finish of the floor, but it's really hard on
feet/ankles/knees.

Charleen

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