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From: megm@sco.COM (Meg McRoberts)
Subject: Re: STOP USING BORAX AGAINST FLEAS!
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 05:56:17 GMT


In article <349@mindlink.bc.ca> Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop) writes:
> The following is reproduced without permission from the October 1992 Dog Fancy:
> 
> ***************
> 
> ...Borax is extremely toxic if swallowed or absorbed through the skin...never
> to apply borax to dogs or cats and always to store it out of reach of animals
> and children.
>                         Susan Conant
>                         Newton, Massachusetts

This warning doesn't preclude using borax on ones furniture
and carpeting.  It should be worked into the fibers so the
animals don't have direct exposure to it.

Our veterinary dermotologist recommended this to us when we
lived in Florida.  I've been using it for 5 years or so now
and can't see any problems in either my VERY sensitive lhasa
apso or the free-running rabbit.  It still seems a lot safer
than the toxic bombs and sprays, especially since my dog is
quite allergic to pyrethrins.
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From: angela@brahms.udel.edu (Angela Lakwete)
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:10:06 GMT

>the other way around.  I was just saying that with a really reputable 
>breeder, this would be an alternative to unhappy owners trying to place
>their dogs themselves or just taking them to shelters.
>
>I agree that I am talking about an ideal universe in which the breeder
>says, "if the dog doesn't work out, let me know," and the buyer actually
>does.  Plenty of breeders urge buyers to do this and never hear from
>them again.  I am merely trying to say, in my own very clumsy way, that
>if you must have a pedigreed, purebred dog, this is the route to go.
>
Thanks for responding, Holly.  Actually I bought my standard
poodle from a very responsible breeder.  She stayed in touch
w/buyers and often took back dogs that people became unhappy
with.  Your point in contrast with backyard breeders and puppy
mills is very well taken.   


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From: dewey@centerline.com (Devan F. Dewey)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Pees when excited
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Date: 9 Oct 1992 19:49:50 GMT
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Distribution: world
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I have a 6 month old Akita who pees only during second and subsequent times
that someone comes to visit. He get all happy to see the visitor, and he
just goes, in little sprinkles, wherever he's standing. (first visits are
never a problem because he doesn't know the person yet.)

Otherwise, he is perfectly house trained. Really! He never goes in the
house except when visitors come over. Of course none of the visitors
believe that.

Is this something he'll jsut grow out of, or is there some special tricks
that people have?

Thanks,
Devan
                             
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          CenterLine Software | dewey@centerline.com
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From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Neutering to reduce aggression?
Date: 16 Oct 92 11:23:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23906
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



Barbara Roy writes:
>I'd vote for neutering. Whether of not it "cures" his dominant behavior, this
>dog was not good enough to win at the track and I'm presuming is not show
>quality, therefore he really has no business being bred. I've never neutered
>an adult male dog, but have gelded adult horses and can attest that it 
>DEFINITELY alters their behavior. My ex-stallion is FAR more laid back and
>gets along better with the other horses now that he's gelded. I can only
>assume that the same goes for dogs. Once those male hormones dissappear, they
>are much calmer animals. Wouldn't you be?

Dick Koehler insouciantly remarked that it hadn't helped him any.

Intact animals are easier to train, especially indomitable ones.
I guess it depends on how you train; you have to use a method
that doesn't depend on dominating.  Eg. Koehler.
Their energy then expresses itself as devotion to work.

Also, and you can argue with her, Vicki Hearne remarks

  In the horse world, most of the male horses you run across
  are geldings because stallions are more of a pain in the
  neck to keep and handle.  The geldings (if gelded early enough)
  are quieter, and they are also easier than the mares to train
  and ride.  But what I noticed was this:  Given two horses of
  equal talent, who are equally crazy to begin with, it is easier
  to reclaim the stallion (at least it is easier the way I train).
  The stallion may well be more violent to begin with, may give
  you a real time of it, but once you have him moving with
  artistry, symmetry, balance, and power, he gets the point
  of the exercise faster.  Similarly with dogs, both male and
  female: If they have been neutered young, they are harder
  to train.  Easier to subdue, mind you, but harder to train.

Koehler has a simple way to deal with dog-dog aggression at the
end of the book, but don't do it without training the dog first
through the novice exercises.
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From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: dying
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:15:42 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Oct10.192918.17081@wam.umd.edu>, mwp@wam.umd.edu (Marty William Peck) writes:
> My dog, Moose has a cancerus tummor in his mouth. The vet said he
> only has a couple of weeks to a month to live. That was almost three
> weeks ago. Over the last week he's really gone down hill. 

I was just wondering whether surgery could be done to remove the tumor? 
Almost exactly 1 year ago, my dog was found to have a tumor in his abdomen
that would kill him in 4-6 months, 8-12 with chemotherapy.  I opted against
chemo and just had the tumor removed.  Needless to say, the vet was wrong
about the time left - it appears that he got all the cancer out.  Have
you gotten a second opinion

> What I want to ask is, has anyone else gone though some kind of
> slow death like this. When did you decide it was time to finilly
> eauthinise him. How did you handle his death. And if you can think
> anything else, I'd be glad to listen.
>                                         Thanks,
>                                          Martyn


With another dog I had, Kerry, I decided at the point when he could no 
longer get up on his own because his arthritis and spondylosis got so 
bad, it was time to put him down.  He was 13 - pretty old for an Irish
setter - and had lived a good life.  While we lived too far out of town
to have the vet come over and do the euthanasia at home, it was a vet 
that I had worked for for 5 years when I was in high school and college,
and he suggested that we take Kerry into the break room in back so we
wouldn't have to wait with everyone else in the lobby and Kerry wouldn't
die in an exam room.  I had the vet sedate Kerry first, and with the 
injection of the euthanasia solution Kerry passed lying on a sofa with his
head in my lap.  It was just the way I would have wanted it.

We had Kerry buried at a cemetary in Iowa City that has a section for pets.
My father insisted that we have Kerry buried in a box and get a bronze
marker - he even wanted me to come up with an appropriate saying to put
on the marker, so I found a great T.S. Eliot quote.  Kerry had been my
dog, and my father's the stoic one, so go figure.

I have seen too many people let their dogs linger on in a great deal of
discomfort - both when I was working at the vet, and with friends.  A
friend who lost a dog recently when through a terrible ordeal because
she had refused to put him to sleep earlier.  He had really painful, dis-
abling arthritis and couldn't really move much - he howled in pain in
the middle of the night - and he also developed deafness and blindness.
He was clearly miserable, but rather than putting him down my friend 
took him up to Minnesota with her to visit friends.  The dog had to stay
outside, and somehow wandered into a pond in the middle of the night
and drowned.  The guilt she feels now is pretty overwhelming.

Good luck in making your decision, and let us know what happens.

Holly
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From: smm1@troy.uucp (22142-michelson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: REAL FOOD is it worth it ?
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:28:07 GMT
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ

In article <1854@eagle.ukc.ac.uk> jm6@ukc.ac.uk (J.Mitchell) writes:
>
>
>Have any of you fed your dogs this pre-packaged food for dogs but felt they did
>not get on with it ie. allergy problems etc. so you changed to real food ie. 
>human quality meat, fish etc. or even gone further to organic grade food ?
>Or have you always feed your dog on 'proper' food ?
>
>that and adjust it. Dogs have lived for a long time without packaged food so
>they obviously don't need it and convenience is not a problem as far as I am
>concerned, if it was I wouldn't get a dog.

I'd bet that, although they have lived a long time without packaged food, they
probably didn't have as long a life expectancy as they do today, considering
advances in our understanding of their nutritional needs. (As a side note,
I wonder if increased life expectancy of dogs has any affect on the number
of dogs at humane societies...)



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From: kdrolt@athena.mit.edu (Kenneth D Rolt)
Subject: new AKC hunting dog newsletter:  Again !!!
Keywords: woof!  hunting dogs 
					       -----------------------
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:12:00 GMT

	Robin Rolt, editor
	AKC Hunting Test Herald
	372 Wildwood Ave.
	Worcester, MA  01603		(508) 798-2386
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From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Subject: Re: Carpet Cleaners
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:32:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.130411.8083@worldbank.org> aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:
>In article <2AD1D954.18156@news.service.uci.edu> Linda Macdonald,
>llmacdon@orion.oac.uci.edu writes:
>>Some time back a few people posted the names of products that could
>>be used to remove (hopefully) the smell of dog urine from carpets.  

>please let me know also.  Major's made a couple of "mistakes" on
>the carpet and when it's humid, these "mistakes" come back to
>haunt us...

Odormute.
From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Book on City Dogs.
Date: 9 Oct 92 04:45:52 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

There is a book out that some of you might like to read...I have only skimmed
it so far, but it looks quite good.

It's 'The Evans Guide for Civilized City Canines' by Job Michael Evans, a
former New Skete Monk.

It was published in '88, but my library only recently bought it and I've
never seen it elsewhere so I thought you might like to know...

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From: angela@brahms.udel.edu (Angela Lakwete)
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:55:33 GMT

Holly wrote that the solution to the problem of owners dumping
their dogs when they became inconvenient would be solved if
people bought from breeders of purebred dogs.  Holly:  visit
your local shelter.  You can pick up just about any breed, some
show quality.  Breeders hardly have the resources to track all
of the dogs they breed and place.
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From: williamsk@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (It always scares me when something looks easy to do.)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Faery Rings
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:26:20 EST

In article <13760019@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com>, suew@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Sue Wood) writes:
> A friend of mine calls the doggie-induced brown spots on the lawn 
> "faery-rings". I don't know if that's a common term or not, but
> I get a giggle out of it.   The term that is; the dead grass is
> not all that funny.
> 
Sorry, can't help with the real reason of this posting, but it caught my eye
because of the word "faery".  You see, my golden's registered name is:
"Faera's Seekret Suspense".  I can't remember what the "a" is for, but the
"faer" is from "faery".  Hope you find the answer to those rings all of our
little faeries produce!

Kim

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From: sjbury@bubbles.rice.edu (Scott J. Bury)
Subject: Think before leaving an infant alone
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:22:00 GMT


Recently, in Houston,  a 2 month infant was killed by the family dog. Sadly I  
must also add that it was a GSD.:-( (From the photo the dog may be  
Shepherd/malamute mix, but no matter since the Headline read *German Shepherd  
Mauls Infant*.  Also I am NOT implying  that it was the malamute genes that did  
it! No flames on that please)
The story: 
  The father had been sleeping with the infant on the sofa and got up during  
the night.  Not wanting to disturb the child, he left him sleeping on the sofa.   
It appears that during the night the GSD, named "T-Bone", played with the  
infant as a toy.  There is some confusion about this since the couple has two  
other children ages 1 and 3.  However it is speculated that the dog may not  
have been introduced to the baby.  

The moral:

 Dogs do not understand that infants break.  Please always be sure that infants  
and small children are safe from your dogs.  This goes for all dogs not just  
the so called "high risk" dogs.

Sadly reported by
Scott J. Bury and Kokko and Texas (The world's silliest GSDs)
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From: pgarnier@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Philip Garnier)
Subject: show "trophies"
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:21:31 GMT

Can anyone out there help me?  I have recently been appointed the trophy
chairman of the Great Lakes Border Terrier Club trophy committee (actuall,
I AM the committee, and need suggestions as to what to offer for the four
show that we will support in the next year.  We plan to offer trophies in
five categories:  BOB, BOS, Winners' Dog, Winners' Bitch, and high Border
in obedience.

With a budget probably much more limited than other breed clubs, we are 
shooting for trophies costing around $20 each.  Hopefully, the trophy
fund drive I am soon mounting will net us more funds.

Does anyone out there have any ideas what we may offer as trophies?  I 
would particularly like something with Border Terriers represented on
them as such things are few and far between for we enthusiasts of the 
breed.  Can anyone perhaps recommend and artist near Champaign, IL that
might make something for us?

Any ideas would be appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

Philip Garnier
From: mutz@inferno.Kodak.COM (Andrew Mutz)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs & Home/Nbhd Security (LONG)
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:28:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: kodak.1992Oct15.142808.29283
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company

Another anecdote about the value of a 'protective' dog:

My fiancee, Barbara, was walking our 18 mo old Akita, Bandit, during the
day on a street with relatively few pedestrians.  She saw the legs of a man
through the bushes near the corner move up to the corner behind the bushes
and stop out of sight.  The motion seemed a little ominous, and she felt the
man had seen her and might be less than nice.  The guy evidently hadn't seen
the (big!) dog though.  Bandit sensed Barbara's unease, and as they cleared 
the bushes, faced the man in his "What's this all about?" pose:  Ears up,
head high, and mouth closed.  No bark, no growl, no ears down, but the guy
looked VERY surprised all of the sudden!  He simply turned around and walked
the other way.

Bandit hasn't become highly protective of the apartment or of us yet, but he
does react to our attitudes, and this time just having him there was quite
enough.  After all, how many people are willing to really find out if that
90 lb dog (whose coat and big head make him look much bigger from the front)
would attack? 

Now if he would only learn to stop licking other dogs' pee....

Andy Mutz
mutz@kodak.com
From: michael.hagerty@nitelog.com (Michael Hagerty) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: I'm considering a dog...
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:19:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Nitelog BBS - Monterey, CA - 408-655-1096
Reply-To: michael.hagerty@nitelog.com (Michael Hagerty) 

On 10-13-92, TONY OOKA, JR. wrote to ALL:

TO> I am considering owning a dog and would like to get an idea of the
TO> proper way/places to look for one.

Check with your local vet to see if they have the contact point for the
cocker spaniel or chow rescue.  This is the group, usually sponsored by
a local breed club, which rescues dogs of that breed from certain death.

TO> For example, I have heard negative news about CERTAIN pet shops--that
TO> the dogs are abused, malnourished, and the owner inherits some of the
TO> problems due to this kind of neglect...

Unfortunately, this is too often true...

TO> Also, many dogs are sold with bogus pedigree papers [not that I am
TO> particular about this but if they are trying to fetch a higher price
TO> for the dog well that's outright robbery :( ]

Are the papers necessary?  Only one of our five lovable sweeties has AKC
papers and she is so uncomforming that she would have been booed out of
the show ring if we had chosen to show her.  If you investigate, you will
find that AKC papers alone do not make a good dog.  All cows have four
legs, but not all things with four legs are cows...

Regards, Mikey (michael.hagerty@nitelog.com)
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From: megm@sco.COM (Meg McRoberts)
Subject: Re: Arthritis - pain relief?
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 06:08:07 GMT


In article <1992Oct7.170703.21072@gvl.unisys.com> pastor@prc.unisys.com (Jon Pastor) writes:
==> 
==> Fagin was about 50 lbs, and I gave him up to 2 tablets a day, one in the
==> morning and one in the evening.  You should probably use a similar dose by
==> body-weight, but my impression is that it's pretty hard to OD on aspirin if
==> you don't have a particular sensitivity to it.  Anyone know for sure?  If
==> you want to be cautious, you could get some children's aspirin and give the
==> right dose for your dog's body weight according to the package instructions.

i got a little heavy-handed with the Ascriptin
for Matzah Ball, and she ended up with a collitis.
the give-away symptom was a soft, grey-colored stool
(although liver function was normal).  she ended up
getting white rice and cottage cheese for a week and
taking Tagamet (the stuff that people with ulcers take).
it was a lot of fun going to the pharmacy to pick it
up -- a Jewish dog with an ulcer?  what a cliche!
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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: Supply Info
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:49:17 GMT

In article <24471@sybase.sybase.com>
tat@sybase.com (Tat H. Ng) writes:
 
>
>Any kind soul out there has the addr/phone# for Tritronics and RC Steele?
>I am trying to get a catalog for these two suppliers products.
 
 
RC Steel - 1-800-872-3773
           1989 Transit Way Box 910
           Brockport, N.Y.  14420-0910
 
Nothing on Tritronics, but they advertise in RC. Steel.
 
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From: suey@vaxeline (Susan Youshock Pruyn)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: English Bulldogs
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:49:27 GMT
Reply-To: suey@ftp.com
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP

I am looking for a reputable breeder in the New England area.  Can
anyone help me out?

Thanks !*!

Susan Youshock Pruyn
FTP Software, Inc.
Organization: Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: A dog, mans best friends nightmare!
Date: 14 Oct 1992 10:36 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
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..and then there are those VISITORS who unwittingly indulge and
reinforce jumping up, face-slobbering, tearing around the room, or
whatever other ill-mannered greeting you're trying to train your 
dog not to deliver.  Usually some politically inassailable friend
or relative, of course, such as my dear sainted mother, an otherwise
wonderful woman who never successfully trained a dog to do anything 
besides eat, and who regressed our Dobie several months in the first
half-hour.  :)

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"

PS. Hey, Jeff, how's the Goat coming along?
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From: REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer)
Subject: Re: troublesome puppy
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 16:21:12 EDT

In article <1992Oct8.155409.3285@linus.mitre.org>
pdsmith.mitre.org (Pat Smith) writes:
 
>Comment:
>
>Crates can be used as a den and in that case I agree that the crate is not
>proper for punishment.  But many trainers use crates as punishment and it is
>humane.  Dogs don't care about rude or not rude.  They need to be trained
>what is proper behvior and a 10 minute punishment is not too effective.
>
True, but a crate still should never be used for punishment.  My bichon frise,
Shana, travels in the car in her crate.  If we had taught her that a crate is
a place for punishment, we'd never be able to travel with her.
 
Isolation may sometimes be necessary.  But use a leash, never a crate.
 
 
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