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From: angela@brahms.udel.edu (Angela Lakwete)
Subject: Re: SPCA Ethics, Am I Overreacting?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:22:20 GMT

In article <18772@mindlink.bc.ca> Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop) writes:
>I know the SPCA needs money, but isn't this a bit out of line? I was
>thinking of writing a letter to them expressing my feelings and telling
>them that while this pet store is sponsoring them, they would see no money
>from me and anyone else I could convince...I know it won't break them, but
>maybe the thought will count for something. Am I overreacting?
>
Valerie, you are not overreacting at all.  I would certainly let
my opinion be known that this sponsor is unacceptable under any
account.  Your SPCA might have to run newspaper ads instead of
TV spots.  That should be preferrable to adding credibility to
that pet shop.
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From: sla54@cas.org (Sandra Augustine)
Subject: Re: Electric Nail Grinder
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 14:02:19 GMT

In article <19013@mindlink.bc.ca> Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop) writes:
>I've just ordered myself an electric nail grinder! Mail order from the U.S.A.
>ends up costing me $30 less than if I were to buy it locally, even though
>they add on a bunch of extra shipping charges for sending it across the
>border.
>
>Does anybody else out there use one? Do you like it? Is it really much better
>for dogs who are wimpy about having their nails trimmed? I like to keep my
>dog's nails as short as possible and I've heard that nail grinders can get
>them shorter than regular trimmers.
>
	I've used a nail grinder for years, and LOVE it. In contrast to nail
clippers, you don't have any roughness remaining on the end of the nail. In
addition, if you make the mistake of taking too much off, you don't have to
be as concerned with bleeding because the grinder cauterizes (if that's the
right word) the nail.
	Also, some dogs prefer it to nail clippers. For example, I started my
Norfolk terrier puppy out with nail clippers, and did she fight! No biting or
growling of course, but I could barely hold onto her because she was struggling
so much (and she probably weighed about 7-8 lbs. at that stage). Norfolks are
notoriously bad about having their nails trimmed. So I started using the nail
grinder and found that she accepted it much, much better. Because she does
little struggling with the nail grinder, I can now do her nails in a matter of
a couple minutes (if that). With the nail clippers, it was more like 10-15
minutes (which starts to add up because I do the dogs' nails every week). The
additional advantage is that she's happier about the whole process.
	Let us know how you like your grinder after you try it. I bet you'll
really like it!

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NORWOOD KENNELS   |Retrievers who do therapy dog work, a disobedient but
ems: sla54@cas.org|beautiful Siberian husky and a *cute* Norfolk terrier puppy
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	       The above opinions are not those of my employer.
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From: drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Will late castration affect my dog's behaviour?
Date: 23 Dec 1992 18:35:04 GMT
Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center

In article <18807@mindlink.bc.ca> Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria
Vorlop) writes:
>I just wanted to point out, since some people don't know...since neutered
>dogs can sometimes be less active, they MUST have their food intake reduced.
>They only get fat and lazy after spaying or neutering if you LET them!

Not necessarily. Tex still eats 6 cups a day, same as before neutering, and has
not put on any weight in the two years since the operation. Of course he still
runs three miles every day.

>They only get fat and lazy after spaying or neutering if you LET them!

Right!

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
From: young@alw.nih.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: dogs and computers
Date: 22 Dec 1992 15:19:03 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Dec22.133143.1939@msus1.msus.edu> you write:
|> In article <1h7o7mINNe13@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>, vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff) writes:
|> > 
|> > What I want to know is, how come no one has invented a joy-stick that's
|> > ape proof.  I think there should be video games for captive apes.  I hate
|> > to see them sitting around bored in zoos -- I wish someone would invent
|> > joy-sticks that would let them play games, at least!
|> 
|> God I hope not!  Its tough enough dealing with the fact my 7 year old nephew
|> can beat me at almost any video game. (I can still win at BattleChess ;) but I
|> would really hate to go to the zoo and watch Sabu beat my highest score.  I
|> don't think my fragile ego could take that!
|> 

Saw something that they were doing with captive chimps at zoos and etc.
Seems that chimps usually have to use their heads to get a meal in the
wild - no metal trays of bananas available.  The keepers decided to 
simulate things like termite hills and other brain teasers - chimps learn
to poke a stick into termite hills and munch on the termites as they
pull the stick out.  The zoos were using something sticky - can't remember
what but this wasn't the only brain teaser that produced food.  Don't think 
that it'd relate well to apes, or many other captive animals but it's worth
a try before joysticks.

Course I'm not a big fan of computer games.
-- 
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	jy
	young@heart.dcrt.nih.gov
From: 275s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Wendy Bortnick)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: HELP!  Runny Eyes stain hair & Chasing Joggers
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:54:28 GMT
Reply-To: 275s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Wendy Bortnick)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


Hi,

Has anyone on the Net experienced their dogs eyes that are runny all
the time and staining the fur that orange color.  I have a 14 1/2 year
old Bedlington Terrier that is Gray in color.  In the last year her
eyes are discoloring her fur.  She does not have eye infections.  I
used something called Tear Erase I think from R. C. Steel and I don't
think it is that good.  Someone mentioned a product called Diamond Eye
and P.T. Moran Pet Shop suggested a product called Tears Away.  Anyone
out there had any success in removing the stain.

Also, I have a new Bedlington puppy that is 5 months old.  She is starting
her obedience training class tonight for the first class.  She is a
quick learner when on a leash but we take her every weekend to our summer
condo at the beach and let her off the leash to run.  She is chasing
joggers and not coming back to us when we give her the Come command.
Sometimes she will run back after a minute but usually she goes a long
distance until she comes back to us.  She doesn't bite, but some joggers
don't know that and I find it so embarassing I try to keep her on a
long leash most of the time now.  I will ask the trainer for suggestions
also.  Has anyone found a cure for this?

Wendy
275s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Wendy Bortnick)
From: young@alw.nih.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Obedience v. Breed
Date: 22 Dec 1992 07:40:51 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1h5aucINNn2l@morrow.stanford.edu> you write:
|> In article <9212211433.AA11101@waverunner.dcrt.nih.gov> young@alw.nih.gov writes:
|> >No, you can add the English and Irish setters, but why?  The show standard
|> >for labs, tall, sleek, leggy is hardly what you'd want for a water dog.  
|> >Good water dogs in comparison look short and fat.  Just what are the show
|> >people breeding for?  Some arbitrary measure of good looks?
|> 	I can't stand this.  The show standard for labs calls for the dogs
|> to be "tall, sleek, and leggy"?  ARE YOU KIDDING??????  Have you ever seen
|> a lab ring?  Show labs tend to be shorter than field labs, stockier than
|> field labs and the criticism I've heard of show labs is completely the
|> opposite of "tall, sleek, and leggy."  I've only heard complaints from
|> field folk that show labs tend to be short and fat.  
|> 
|> 	But for the record, here is the current Labrador breed standard:
|> 
|> 

Guilty as charged, I haven't seen many show rings at all and quite by design.
Having seen both of these dogs, I just assumed that the shorter, stockier
and uglier of the two was the working dog.  If the working dogs are the 
better looking of the two, how in the world did the show lab come to be?

And how in the world did the sleeker dog come to be preferred as a cold
water retriever over the stockier build.

A lot less abrasive sarcasm would go a long way.
-- 
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	jy
	young@heart.dcrt.nih.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: claire@NeoSoft.com (Claire Sanford)
Subject: Re: why is my dog scooting around on his butt?
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 05:21:34 GMT

In article <C0321I.6ou@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, schneid@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Schneider) writes:
> Yes, we've all seen our dogs do this occasionally.  I've heard
> different explanations...could someone explain to me why my
> dog does this occasionally, and what the frequency may mean?
> -- 
> !!! Mike Schneider *** schneid@jerry.stat.uiuc.edu !!!
 
it could be his anal sacs...  my vet stimulated my dogs and he stopped 
dragging his butt around...
 
-- 
claire@sugar.neosoft.com
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Subject: Re: Using names with commands/scolding (Was Re: O
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 29 Dec 92 10:12:10 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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In <18821@mindlink.bc.ca> Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca writes:
> it sounds, I'm still thinking about it...has anybody else done this? Do you
> find it too tedious to say, "Bob SIT, Rover SIT, Fifi SIT!" when you want
> all the dogs to do the same thing at the same time? What about a name that
> ALL the dogs would respond to besides their individual names, like "Dogs
> SIT!"? Or is this getting too complicated? Maybe it's best just to stick

Our doggie play-group (several neighbors whose dogs play together regularly)
has solved this problem like this:

"Barkus, COME"  means just Barkus should arrive at your feet.
"BarkusMena, SIT" gets both Barkus & Mena to sit.
"MenaBufferSunny, DOWN" commands Mena, Buffer & Sunny (but not Barkus) down.

In others words, string together the names of the dogs who are supposed to
respond to the command, before giving the command.  It takes a while for the
dogs to catch on, but eventually they all get it.  It does take some practice.



------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,misc.test,talk.bizarre,rec.pets
From: "A.J. Janschewitz" <p00258@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Test
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 20:48:29 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)

>DATE:   Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:30:15 GMT
>FROM:   arvind mally <armally@pbhyb.PacBell.COM>
>
>Hello anybody out there!!!
>
No. We are all artificial intelligence programs originating from a 
homophopic cave in Colorado. Sorry. You are the only one left. Good news 
is, you can have all the Pop-Tarts, and I think the drugstore is still 
unlocked. 

==a.j.==
not here

******************************************************************************
This is almost as much fun as boiler maintenance!
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Re: Large Breeds Showing Age
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 21:33:55 GMT


Life expectancy for the giant breeds (Danes are a "giant breed") is around
8 years, I think.  Large dogs, like Akitas, are anywhere between 8-12
years.  There are always *exceptions* and as long as your dog is healthy,
who knows how long he'll live?
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kathy@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu 
Subject: Halti's
Originator: usenet@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:24:00 GMT
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University Computing Services, Norman, OK
Keywords:  
	We just started using a Halti on our 3 year old Belgian and it works

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Looking for a dog
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:01:35 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science


I'm sure this is a frequent request and boring for most of you,
but I'm going to try anyhow.  I am moving to a place with 8 acres
and am considering getting a dog.  I do not have a family and
am gone during the day and would like to have a dog that will
watch the place while I am gone.  It is not a high crime
area, and is unlikely that there will be intruders.  It would
also be nice to be able to have a garden without deer and raccoons
eating everything out of it, and a dog would serve well for that.
The previous owner had a St. Bernard which did all that fine, but
I was thinking about something a bit cheaper to feed and hopefully
longer lived.  The dog would live outside and thus would need to
have a coat thick enough for weather down to zero degrees (although
it could go into the barn or a dog house for shelter if it wanted
to).  It should be trainable so it will not be destructive or
vicious or leave the property.  It should be able to amuse itself
while I am at work and not require constant human companionship.
I would take it with me jogging or hiking and 8 acres should be
plenty for it to exercise on its own.  I would be willing to spend
time training it or money to send it to school if need be.  I don't
want a dog with a lot of health problems, and after reading a book
about how breeders have bred dogs for show and ruined many breeds,
I am somewhat worried about that.  I care nothing for showing the
dog and just want a smart one with a good temperament and a low
maintenance but warm coat.  Have I overspecified, or does anyone
have any strong feelings about what kind of dog I should look for
and where to get one?  (I know about not getting them from pet stores).

Thanks.
-- 
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From: primeaux@carlsberg.cs.utk.edu (David Primeaux)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: RE: Dalmations
Date: 1 Jan 1993 15:22:42 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
Distribution: world
Reply-To: primeaux@carlsberg.cs.utk.edu (David Primeaux)
NNTP-Posting-Host: carlsberg.cs.utk.edu

In article <31DEC92.08153534@wums.wustl.edu>, trimpe_b@wums.wustl.edu writes:
|> In a previous article, michaelq@tlaloc.sw.stratus.com (Michael Quicquaro) wrote:
|> >My wife and I are thinking about getting a dalmation.  However, I have heard
|> >so many different negative stories about dalmations that I am confused and
|> >unsure if it is the right dog for us.  I was wondering if some people who have 
|> >dalmations would confirm or reject the follow things:
|> > 
|> >	1) ...they are very high strung, hyper dogs.
|> >	2) ...very clumsy. (not necessarily negative)
|> >	3) ...they are unintelligent and very difficult to train.
|> > 
|> >I have also heard that they are very lovable.  Whats the real story?
|> >Any info you can provide would be a great help and greatly appreciated.
|> 
|> 	My co-worker breeds Dals and from him I've learned/observed the 
|> following...
|> 	1- they are NOT clumsy; actually just the opposite IMHO.
|> 	2- they are NOT dumb- possibly difficult to train- he says he's got
|> a stubborn one but I think it's personality of the dog.
|> 	3- they ARE energetic.  I don't know that high strug or hyper is the
|> right description but  a five mile run is nothing for his male.  We ahve
|> what I thought was an energetic labrador who after an hour with the Dals 
|> looks ( and feels) like a lumbering elephant:-)
|> 	4-They SHED all year round and black and white hairs.
|> 	5-They may have some diet requirements.  If I've got this right
|> Dals are the only dog with uric acid in their urine(as do humans) and
|> might have kidney problems.  I thnk it is rare but my co-worker feeeds
|> his dals a homemade rice recipe gotton from some vet school doing reserarch on
|> Dals.

When people buy dog food, they sometimes simply look for the highest protein
content and judge that the best for their dog (I am certainly not advocating 
this approach).   My vet advised a low protein diet for our two dalmatians because
of the dalmatian propensity for kidney problems.

|> I hope I didn't focus on the negatives but we didn't get a Dalmation for 
|> some of the negative reasons listed above.  You may be able to handle exercise
|> requiremetns etc with less difficulty than us.  They are sweet dogs though
|> and not stupid!

One of our dalmatians seems to be more intelligent than is the other.  Both have
proven easy to train, demand a lot of attention, crave affection, and are bundles
of energy.  They like us.  We like them.  As always, your mileage may vary.

|> BT

david
primeaux@cs.utk.edu
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Obedience v. Breed
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 09:10:55 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamvm1.tamu.edu

In article <1992Dec18.212031.27794@cas.org>
    sla54@cas.org (Sandra Augustine) writes:
 
>	I don't think that ANYONE who knows retrievers would even try to compare
>the field ability of labs and goldens. Labs are much better in the field.
>(E.g., just look at the number of FCs and AFCs for both breeds)
>However, I don't think that this means that many/most goldens can't function as
>field dogs for hunters.
 
And I said as much later in my post.
 
 
>>Not coincidentally, as a percentage they are also far more likely to have
>>a conformation background.  And I don't believe it's all that strange
>>that most people are readily able to tell the difference between goldens
>>with a hunting test/field trial background from those with a show
>>background - they physically look different.
>>
>	I can easily tell the difference between labs from conformation lines
>and labs from field lines, too. So I don't think that you can single out
>goldens in this respect.
 
You are quite correct to say that show lines of labs have physical
differences from the field lines.  But at least it hasn't gotten to
the point with labs that they look like 2 different breeds.  It has
with goldens (typically show goldens are larger, have *much* longer
coats, etc.).
 
 
>	Chris, I think that a golden who is not a good retriever should
>probably not be bred. I also think that a golden who is not a good retriever
>is not a good specimen of this breed.
 
Same can be said of many breeds, including labs (and yes, there are
labs that aren't squat as a retriever).
 
 
>However, I strongly disagree that a
>golden who not a good retriever is a poor dog ("ruined" in your terminology).
 
I use the word "ruined" in reference to the whole breed.  Yes, they
are quite acceptable for a host of other purposes.  But as far as
using them for what they should be used for, the breed has been ruined
by the show ring.  Perhaps the word ruined is too strong; damaged is
probably better.
 
In fairness, the show ring isn't totally to blame.  Popularity of the
breed among people that just want a nice pet, and then proceed to breed
that pet has also had a significant impact on the detriment of many
breeds (note the GSD back in the Rin Tin Tin era).
 
While I do feel that the golden retriever breed has been damaged.  But
I don't feel that damage is irreprible.  There are still a decent number
of goldens out there that do perform quite well in the field.
 
      -----------------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |   President - Bryan/College Station
cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |         Retriever Club.
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |   "Dedicated to the betterment of
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |               the retrieving breeds"
From: gordon.needham@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Gordon Needham) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: SEARCH & RESCUE DOGS
Date: 21 Dec 92 03:02:00 GMT
Reply-To: gordon.needham@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Gordon Needham) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Freddy's Place BBS - Edmonton, AB - 403-456-4241

I am still looking to see if there are any groups monitoring this
conference that use dogs for Search & Rescue ?

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: maddox@don.waisman.wisc.edu
Subject: RE: Opinions on breed.
Organization: Waisman Center, University of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 22 DEC 92 20:33:33 CST

Have you considered a black lab?  We had a dog who lived to be
15 years and was a wonderful companion and showed signs of being
a good hunter.  She was not trained to hunt but her instincts were
such that she did well the few times we took her out.  She did scare up
a few grouse and pheasants.  She was not 100% black lab but had a great
disposition, wonderful with children (she was raised with mine), was a
house pet and loved to be around family.  We live in the country where
she could rome freely but she rarely strayed from the house.  She didn't
have a mean bone in her body.

Unfortunately, we had to put her to sleep this summer because of hip
dysplasia and old age and it was a sad time for us all.  Now we are in
the process of getting another puppy that we hope will not be exactly
like Winkey, but who can have some of her wonderful qualities.

Good luck on finding a friend and hunting companion.

Black lab or mostly black lab (hunting stock) gets my vote.
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 11:19:00 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Re: RCA Victor dogs
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some of my access to this net is limitted.  I someone has a problem
with that, I pointed out that they had the option of not sending me
junk they didn't want others to see.
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