From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Private antidiscrimination policies in CO
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 02:49:00 GMT


In article <1i09acINNiai@hp-col.col.hp.com>
smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith), about to bless us with his
nonpresence, I hope, writes:

>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>Now what reaction do you expect to get from us, Walter, to
>>what amounts to massive rudeness on your part?

>Like I said, there is a *large* gap...and obviously I have 
>no clue on how to try and cross it. 

Try *actually* thinking.  But not here, and take your time;
the evidence is strong you're going to need a lot of time.

>>Finally, let us suppose that some airborn 2x4 comes along
>>and knocks a little sense into your skull at long last;
>>where would we be then?  What benefit *to us* would there be
>>from that?  

>Real good attitude.  REAL good.

>>For if there were none, then you can gaddamned
>>well take your sorry fucking ass right out of here and right
>>quick before the troops turn mean.  I believe it's well
>>past the time when they should have done so.  

>Even better...I just HATE to see negative stereotypes so
>boldly fulfilled.  If I'm insulting anyone, it is out of
>ignorance.

Really, you're too modest.  You didn't have to explain that
part, not a bit.  We all knew, really we did.

>But for people here, arrogance, bad manners, and filthy
>language almost seem a badge of honor.  And *you* have the
>GALL to accuse me?

Honey, we're adults here.  Those dumb-ass little guilt trips
you straight boys try to foist off on us never work; we've
seen it all, thousands of times.  Are you out of first grade,
actually?  "Filthy language" is a child concept.  The *real*
filth is the Pat Robertsons, the Ron Melbons, the Colin
Powells, and millions of bigots like them.  So don't you
*dare* expect pretty language when you come on with the
tripe you've been spouting around here, you jackass.

>>As Bob Donahue
>>quite calmly remarked, it's put-up or shut-up time, buddy.

>What exactly do you want me to "put up"?  Nothing, from what
>I can see.

I believe he had very specific suggestions about writing
letters.  But I believe it's "nothing you can see," too.

>You mean either agree with you or shut up.  

No, sonny, I don't give a rat's ass whether you agree with
me or not.  I would like it for you to shut up, you're right
about that.  You've delighted us for long enough.

>The longer I read this group, the more I understand the wall
>between gays and straights that you rail against so much.

See, it was all a set-up.  You don't understand a *thing*,
really you don't.  You come around, wanting the faggots and
dykes and bis to be all gratified by the educational
opportunity you present to us.  You're like a thousand
others we've seen over the years, Walter, masquerading under
the good liberal guise of being friendly, but as soon as
someone calls you out for the CRAP you're saying, your true
nature becomes crystal clear.

You think your little guilt trip is going to make us oh so
sorry you've gone away mad.  Don't count on it, buster,
because we've seen it from more angles than you can imagine,
let alone understand.

>Somebody doesn't take what you say at face value, without
>question, and you resort to cursing them and filthy
>language; and you wonder why people end up with a bad
>attitude towards gays.

Hey, with friends like you, we won't need enemies.  Isn't
*that* special?

>Maybe you need to get out a mirror and you'll see where the
>problem is coming from.  Maybe if people react negatively
>towards you it isn't because you are gay, it is because you
>are an arrogant, foul-mouthed person who shows little
>tolerance for those he asks tolerance of.

Lots of mistakes in that paragraph.  I haven't heard a single
person ask for your tolerance.  I've seen a lot of tolerance,
though, as you ranted on and on and on and on and on and on.
And on.  What you take for arrogance on my part is contempt
for you and your attitude.  You don't even begin to know what
foul is, so spare us your pea-brain lectures.

We're not asking for tolerance here, Walter; we're demanding
our rights as human beings, as equals in the society.  That
you would take it for something else just shows what a
hopelessly ignorant fuckup you are.

>Count one vote (from me) for "get out".  I've had enough of
>listening to people whine for support and
>tolerance/acceptance, and then turn around and have no
>tolerance for others, and threaten, curse, etc them.  The
>whole thing is really pitiful.

Sure.  Tell us one we *haven't* heard.

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