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From: eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2)
Subject: Re: Skiing Safety
Organization: FOA, Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:44:28 GMT

>bgohari@wam.umd.edu (Babak Gohari) writes:

>etc., etc., but do many people where helmets?  I'm actually thinking of
>buying at least a bicycle helmet next time I go out and hitting the slopes.
>It might look stupid, but my experience scared me a little.  The head is very
>important (obviously), and it can easily get messed up.

Around here most of the kids wear helmets. Then, when people start getting into
their teens it's not cool anymore and they stop. 

>I think that the main reason people don't where helmets is because it looks
>stupid, or un-macho, or whatever you call it.  Probably where bicycle helmets

I don't wear a helmet because I find it uncomfortable.(Besides, I wore a helmet
in the army enough to last me my whole life)

>used to be a few years ago.  Personally, I think looking stupid is a lot
>better than ending up somehow crippled for life.  What do you all think?
>Or is it that I'm just a little worried because this happened to me recently,
>and I'll probably forget it in a couple of weeks?  Later...

Oh, you're right. But how many head injuries happens on the slopes?

cheers

--

     Erik Svensson
    Research Officer            National Defense Research Establishment (FOA)
 Guided Weapons Division        Stockholm, Sweden      eriks@fenix.lin.foa.se

"The problem with the future is that it keeps turning into the present"
 -- Hobbes
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From: jrredho@sass577.endo.sandia.gov (John Red-Horse)
Subject: Re: Kazama Outback TMs
Organization: Sandia National Laboratories, Albuquerque, NM
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 16:55:07 GMT

M.D. (Mike) Wieda (%MikeW@canc.byu.edu) wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> The Kazama line is *really* good.  But they prefer the "Asnes" line.  
> Evidently some or all of the Kazama boards (and the entire Karhu line as 
> well) use a foam core, which, evidently, breaks down over time.

Actually, some of the alpine skis made by Kazama are foam
core---however, *none* of their tele skis are.

> The Asnes 
> guys use a wood honecomb construction or something, which, evidently, is 
> supposed to be more durable and result in a smoother running and turning 
> ski.  They also recommended the old favourites, Fischer GTS's.  I have a 
> firend who skis these and they are holding up great!  Lessee...Oh, yeah, 
> Evoloution out of Salt Lake City is supposed to make some wicked resort-
> skiing cruise missles!  I hear they're outa sight! (but, so is the 
> price :-/)

The Evolution skis are definitely foam core.

> Finally theres Black Diamond, used-to-be-TUA's (maybe they still 
> are, don't know).  I haven't really heard much either way on these boards, 
> but they can't be all bad.

> I probably haven't told you anything you didn't already know; so I'll 
> tell you something else you already know: go out and demo all the skis you 
> can, and chew the fat with other tele guys.  It's the best way around to 
> evaluate skis.  If I were to leave one final piece of advice: I'd just get 
> Fischers and be safe all over the mountain.

I've heard some good things about the Fischers, but I've heard more
good things about the Kazama Outback TM's and Tua Cirques.  I bought
my pair of Kazamas last year and I've been very pleased.  I feel
certain they'd be a fine backcountry ski---although I've not yet tried
them there.  I demoed a pair of Kazama Couloir's this year and I liked
them quite a bit, but they seemed to me to be a little heavier and a
little stiffer in the tail than the O-TM's.  My feeling at the time
was that they were probably aimed at in-area tele skiers.

cheers

--
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From: bgohari@wam.umd.edu (Babak Gohari)
Subject: Re: Helmets (again): Skiing Safety
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:02:09 GMT

OK, as the "original poster" of this topic, I would like to clarify some things:
1) I don't think I said, nor implied, that helmets should be a REQUIREMENT.
What I asked (if my memory serves me right) was what people really thought
about it.  2) I don't think that forcing people to be certified before they're
allowed to ski the whole mountain will be feasible.  Besides, I don't think
it would solve the problem.  If I can use an analogy, everyone
is forced to get a driver's license.  But we've all seen many, many, many
people who *should* not be able to drive.  Thus, I don't really think that
certification will work.  *UNLESS* we make all skiers realize that they
can never be Alberto Tomba, and thus should be conscientous of their own
ability?  One of the main reasons I brought this whole thing up was because
I was hit by another skier, and suffered (luckily or unluckily, depending on
how you look at it) a minor concussion and had to spend the night in the
hospital.  Wasn't very fun for me, believe me.  Just because I try to be a
conscientous skier doesn't mean other people are.  I know I'm not the best
skier in the world, and I never claimed to be.  But I have enough sense at
what I can do and what I can't.  Still, I got hit.  Pardon me if I sound a
little upset, but it's because I am.  Some dork had to ruin a perfectly good
vacation for me.  I know this has nothing to do with helmets, but still.
I very much doubt I'd wear a helmet myself, despite this.  I do realize that
skiing is a relatively safe sport, if you don't do stupid things.  After all,
all you fall on is snow (except back here in the east, where we have ice).
But maybe the mountains should take some more responsibility in their
skier's safety?  Don't sell as many tickets.  How many times have you been
minding your own business when you get stuck in a multi-skier accident, or
just miss one?  It happens a lot when the slopes get ultra-crowded.
What about being more forceful, getting the really reckless and dangerous
skiers off?  It's one thing to do tricks and jumps and ski fast.  It's totally
another thing to endanger other people.

There, my 2 cents worth.  I know, my thoughts are jumbled, but hey, it's been
a long day.

-Bob

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From: mdrijsma@cs.ruu.nl (Michael Rijsman)
Subject: some new snow in the (french) Alps ???
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:10:23 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science
Keywords: haute savois

Howdy, next two weeks I'll be skiing in le Corbier (lucky me :) )
and recently I saw some weather maps of europe, and there were clouds over the
swiss/french alps... 
So, does anybody know if there has fallen some new snow (or is expected) ?

Michael,

  falling snow
  excellent snow
  here it comes, watch it fall

  I'm sitting by the window
  watching the snow fall
  I'm looking out
  and I'm moving, turning in time
  catching up, moving in
  jump up! I can land on my feet, look out!

Peter Gabriel  -This is the Picture-
From: andyw@meaddata.com (Andy Welter)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Ski Report Euphemisms
Date: 22 Jan 1993 13:16:58 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: world
Reply-To: andyw@meaddata.com
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"...Surface is granular and groomed packed granular, enough chair lifts
in service for a fine day of skiing..."

Lars Guiling
From the Seven Springs Ski report of Friday, January 22.

I guess they mean that enough chair lifts are in service for a fine day
of skiiing, IF they had snow instead of ice.

STOP SNICKERING you Western Powder snobs!!!  Its not funny.
:-(

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From: jtcm15@moscow.cc.bellcore.com (Dennis Meade)
Subject: Re: (away from) home alone in summit county
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 23:35:07 GMT
Summary: ski dorms
Keywords: lodging

In article <1993Jan19.202433.27840@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, warren@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (warren.a.montgomery) writes:
> I frequently make ski trips alone, often to Summit County CO, and
> the lodging options for one are for the most part quite
> expensive.  All I am interested in when I ski is a clean, quiet,
> warm place to sleep at the end of the day.  I would be interested
> in suggestions for where to try.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -- 
> 
> 	Warren Montgomery
> 	att!iexist!warren


Look into ski dorms.  Many lodges have
them.  For instance, you can stay at Alta for 70-85+ a day
including breakfast and dinner.

For more details send me e-mail.

Dennis Meade
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From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Subject: Re: Helmets (again): Skiing Safety
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:23:46 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1993Jan27.002222.19545@edsr.eds.com> hkelly@tantalum.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg) writes:
>The best thing I think you can do is the same thing you do on the highway
>-- try to be aware of all that's going on around you.  It's hard if someone
>is directly behind you, but don't start out in front of someone coming down
>at high speed.  This last week, during ski patrol training, we were
...

Wayne's law of crowded slopes:  If you ski faster than everyone else,
then nobody can run into you.

It's simple physics.  Of course if you're not confident of your ability to
avoid running into others, this will bring you more harm than good.
-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
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From: drew@hazelrah.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt)
Subject: Re: Helmets (again): Skiing Safety
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:42:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.214701.89@sequent.com> patch@sequent.com (Pat Chewning) writes:
>mikeg@olympus.East.Sun.COM writes:
>>When you change lanes do you look before merging over.
>>
>>Same principle when skiing.  
>
>Some principles are NOT the same when skiing as they are with driving.
>
>Example :  Changing lanes
>	Skiing:  No need to look uphill (back) before changing direction.
>	It is up to the people behind you (uphill) to avoid you regardless
>	of how much you change speed or direction.
>	Driving:  you better look behind before changing direction.
>

Technically, the downhill skier has right of way.  That fact might 
help you win a lawsuit after you get plowed over by an out of controller
skier, but it won't get you out of the hospital any sooner.

-- 
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From: davids@gardener.lanl.gov (David G. Simmons)
Subject: Re: Taos info wanted
Originator: davids@feynman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:47:42 GMT


In article <25JAN199307462763@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov>, redd@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov (Dale Redd -- MP-6 Operations) writes:
|> In article <C17y11.4t@fs7.ece.cmu.edu>, carlson@vauxhall.ece.cmu.edu
|> 
|> (stuff deleted)
|> 
|> >	Well Taos is for a Monday trip, but on Saturday he suggested
|> >we go to Los Alamos. What's the deal with that place? I'm just
|> >curious about the "LAB" ski hill. Any suggestions of good runs there
|> >or at Taos? How much base is needed to cover the rocks at top
|> >of Taos. (My skis took enough abuse at Breck at New Year's lack of
|> >snow.) 
|> 
|> (more stuff deleted)
|> 
|> As far as I know, the Pajarito Mountain ski area (aka Los Alamos ski area)
|> has no affiliation with Los Alamos National Laboratory.  There are, believe
|> it or not, other private and commercial entities in Los Alamos County, N.M.
|> than the lab.
|> 
|> Dale
|> 

Dale, Dale, Dale...Not true!  The snow glows in the dark.  Everyone skis in
Lab coats. You have to have a Q Clearance to ski there. The FBI searches all
vehicles in the parking lot. They have NO snow. The lift lines are ridiculously
long. The place is run by Nuclear Physicists. And on and on and on.

Read the recent article [sic] in Ski, or Skiing, or somesuch, magazine.  I say
article [sic] because the guy who wrote it apparently *believed* some of that
stuff stated above.
-- 
David G. Simmons	"New Mexico...Land of the flea,
davids@lanl.gov 	 Home of the Plague..."
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: K2
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 19:56:49 GMT

In article <26JAN199309282751@juliet.caltech.edu>
pggreen@juliet.caltech.edu (Green, Peter G.) writes:
>The movie K2 was filmed in the lowlands of Pakistan and the
>mountains fo British Columbia, Canada.  (The Mt. Waddington area I think.)
>There may have been one still photo in the backgournd of @K2 itslef.

Yep.  A photo on the wall in an office or at home looking up the Baltoro
from Concordia.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
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From: webb@oasys.dt.navy.mil (John S. Webb)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Ski Report Euphemisms
Date: 24 Jan 93 05:32:33 GMT
Reply-To: webb@oasys.dt.navy.mil (John S. Webb)
Distribution: na
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.skiing, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine) writes:
>You have to realize that ski reports are phrased in technical jargon.
>Once you're familiar with the jargon, the reports are easy to understand.
>
>Jargon                  Explanation
>======                  ===========
>Excellent conditions    Fair conditions
>Good conditions         Poor conditions
>Fair conditions         Grass, rocks, and/or mud
>
>Packed powder           Ice
>Packed granular         Ice
>Loose granular          Ice cubes
>Machine-made-snow       Shaved ice
>

and a few more!!

Frozen granular          Ice
Groomed/machine worked   A Snowcat went by, Ice before & ice afterward
Wet packed powder        It poured rain last night- your lucky (unlucky
			 ?) were open.  often still raining.
9 trails are open        3 runs open with 6 little interconnections
the "R" word             Rain - a word never used in reports at most areas.
Spring conditions        Ice in AM   heavy wet mush in PM
fog                      you can see about 3 ft.
Packed powder(east)      about 1 inch of snow over ice-scrapes off quickly
1 inch new               after 3 inches of rain it snowed 1 inch.
good snowmaking day      the rain & wet snow froze into ice last night and
			 we need to make snow for 3 days to cover the ice
thin cover/bare spots    huge patches of dirt almost close most runs
sunny and warm           the recent powder dump will set up into cement
cold                     -20 degrees,flurries, 100mi/hr winds
all lifts scheduled to   it's so windy many or all lifts may be closed
operate
we made 10 in of snow    all snow guns were in a circle aimed at the
			 measuring stake in the middle
firm packed powder       Ice
hard packed              Ice
roads snowpacked(calif)  chains required
windblown snow           the new snow all blew away into the woods
be aware of changing..   more ice
powder (west)            4 or more inches of fresh snow,may be too heavy
			 to ski

Can someone other than management do ski reports?

John Webb
David Taylor Model Basin Hq.      -  Ski Till You Drop  -
Carderock Div,NSWC                _ The Md state ski bum-
Code 1523
Bethesda,MD 20084-5000
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From: rhl@valhalla.mitre.org (Roger Lincoln)
Subject: Driving to Sugarloaf
Organization: The Mitre Corp., Bedford, MA.
Distribution: ne
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:22:42 GMT


I just got a free ticket to Sugarloaf in Maine.  I'm strictly a
day-tripper, how far (drive-time) is it to get there from Boston?  Is
it worth it?

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From: dlawren@salsa.abq.bdm.com (David P. Lawrence)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: New Mexico snow/ski report
Date: 21 Jan 1993 23:19:49 GMT
Organization: BDM International, Inc.  Albuquerque, NM  505-848-5000
NNTP-Posting-Host: salsa.abq.bdm.com

In article <1993Jan21.201634.25136@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> mueller@delta.cs.fsu.edu (Frank Mueller) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.192954.26660@sj.nec.com>, paul@hagar.tdd.sj.nec.com (Paul Gordon  x3856) writes:
>> In article <1993Jan21.173344.26340@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett) writes:
>> >dlawren@salsa.abq.bdm.com (David P. Lawrence) writes:
>> >>            Base('')       New(24hrs)      New
>> >>Taos          90              4             8 storm
>> >>Purgatory     85              6            26 week
>> >
>> >Something's funny here - I was in Purgatory last week, and they had a ski
>> >team up from Taos because (they told me) there was so little snow in Taos!
>> >
>> 
>>   Thats because New Mexican inches seem to be smaller than the CO variety!
>> 
>Have you seen the spot where they measure in Taos? It's left of the top of
>the Phoenix lift (the left-most lift on the mountain), on the way to Huntziger
>Bowl. It's also right below Katchina Peak and in some trees. If it snows, it
>will snow there. And twice at much. And it doesn't become packed powder at all.
>
>So, 90in there means about 60in on top slopes and at most 30in (incl. snow-
>making) on bottom slopes. Well, and then there are all these rocks which need
>about twice the snowcover than anything else...
>
>Frank
>mueller@cs.fsu.edu

Please, listen to what he says and go anywhere but Taos...  That way I
can have more of the mountain to myself!!!   Purgatory is nice but
I'd rather be in heaven (Taos!!!)   >:)

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From: klaus@ced.utah.edu (Klaus Biggers,MEB 3140b,581-6499)
Subject: Re: UTAH Beer ???
Reply-To: klaus@ced.utah.edu
Organization: Center for Engineering Design
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 19:13:23 GMT

In article 8453@netcom.com, rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi) writes:
>pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes:

>>Some of you people make Salt Lake sound like an Amish community of 750,000
>>people.  Where they all ski on Monday-Saturday then flock to the church on
>>Sunday.
>>
>	If it keeps Alta uncrowded, then I'm all for

Too late.... It didn't work.... might as well drink beer. 


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From: hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Harold S. Lessure)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Helmets (again): Skiing Safety
Date: 26 Jan 93 06:59:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.4fNKsCm00WB8FHI3Bc
Organization: Doctoral student, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter) writes:

>...solution would be have skiers take lessons from qualified instructor
*boring (but true) stay in control stuff deleted*


RUN everbody! It's the lesson cops!!
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From: pkedrosk@student.business.uwo.ca (Paul S. Kedrosky)
Subject: Re: Ski Resorts near Toronto, Canada...
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:33:27 GMT

hlam@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:

> 
> Does anyone know of any good ski resorts near toronto, canada?
> I've been to Horseshoe Valley and Snow Valley in Barry, Canada.  I'm trying
> to find the 'best' ski resort FOR near toronto, canada.
> 
> Any input welcome,
> 
> Huntson L.

HaHaHaHaHaha!!! That's funny! You were joking weren't you?

psk

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From: Paul_Revell@mindlink.bc.ca (Paul Revell)
Subject: Re: Red Mountain, Canada
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:59:02 GMT

> Ken Berger writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <11177@vice.ICO.TEK.COM>
> Posted: 20 Jan 93 16:44:58 GMT
>
> Org.  : Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.
>
> It looks like I'm going on a road trip to Red Mountain.
>
> I think I've heard of this place, but I need to be filled in.
>
> Does this place have good steep runs?  With Bumps?  Air?
>
> How about Chutes or out of bounds backcountry stuff?
>
> The trip is set for Feb 4-7.  It's nice to know that this storm that
> blew hard through here is on it's way into southern Canada (since I
> think their base may be a littl thin).
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Ken "not a fair weather skier" Berger

I skied the entire season at Red Mountain in Rossland last year.  I doubt you
will find a lack of snow there.  A day pass is $32. Canadian and you get your
money's worth with the areas two mountains.

Red mountain has some double-diamond runs and those ugly sidehill black
diamond ones as well.  This hill only has one double chair, but lineups are
small because most head over to Granite.

The Granite double chair is a 16 minute ride and the back side has a triple
chair.  There is wide variety of terrain, although I haven't looked for
chutes.  If you have three days to ski, you won't see all of the mountain.

If you get tired or Red or want to try deep powder, take an hour drive north
to Nelson and go to Whitewater.  This area gets much more snow that Rossland
for some reason and the base elevation is the same as the alpine at Red.
They tell me that skiing at Whitewater is the closest you get to Heli-skiing,
which is something else available in the area.  I've been to Whitewater but
don't care to dig myself out of that head deep powder.
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:10:08 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 15/16 Europe
Organization: Toyz R. Me
From: wtb@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (William T. Blake)
Subject: Skiing at Steamboat
Keywords: skiing Colorado Steamboat
Organization: Raytheon Company
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:42:28 GMT

We are planning a trip to Steamboat for the week of St.
Patricks (3/13 through 3/19).  I was wondering if anyone had
an up to date report on Skiing conditions there, and what
the different opinions of the place were.  Thanks in advance
for your help....

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