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From: cdash@moet.cs.colorado.edu (Charles Shub)
Subject: Practice on the course
Organization: University of Colorado at Colorado Springs
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:35:53 GMT

Somebody else has already typed in rule 7 that governs practice.  The
one issue that wasn't raised in the discussion thus far is decision
7-2/5, "Hitting Practice Range Ball Back to Range"
q:  During play of a hole, a player saw some balls from the adjoining
    practice range lying on the course and flicked one back to the
    range with his club.  Is there a penalty under rule 7-2?
a:  In some circumstances the hitting of a practice range ball back
    towards the range during the play of a hole would be a breach of
    Rule 7-2, but the casual flicking of a range ball, apparently only
    for the purpose of tidying up the course, is not a breach.

As an observer on TV of the masters and Mr. Couples on the hole where
he played from the hazard, I'd opine that Mr. Couples was acting in a
matter consistant with decision 7-2/5 and hence did not violate the
practice rule.  Others have observed he did not violate other rules in
that sequence.
-- 

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  or even  cdash@colospgs (BITNET)  if the above address won't work
From: filipows@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Dennis J. Filipowski)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:35:15 GMT
Subject: Re: cavity back irons
Organization: Hewlett Packard Company, Spokane, Wa.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf

     I also tend to agree with you. I have tried several types
 of clubs including cast cavity backs. I did a test to evaluate the feel 
 of diferent clubs and shafts. I had a cast cavity back with low
 kick point steel shaft, a forged blade with low kick shaft(same
 shaft as cavity back) and forged blade with mid kick. A bad shot
 with eaither was a bad shot and felt that way. A so so shot felt
 so so with either but a good shot with the forged blade felt like
 a good shot. The same shot with the cavity back felt like the
 so so shot. The cavity back just didn't provide any substantial
 amount of feel. It was like geting kissed through a screen door.
 Always wanting to try new things I now play with Mizuno Grads.
 but I re-fitted them with the low kick point shaft. They came with
 Dynamic golds. The mid kick shaft tended to also reduce the feel.
 The grads are forged cavity backs. Don't think the cavity back
 does that much for me but I like their looks.
  I also agree that there is more to be gained by taking lesson
  from a GOOD teaching pro. I took three lessons from different
  pros before I decided wich one to take lessons from. There was
  a vast amount of difference in the teaching ability of the three.
From: green@cbnewse.cb.att.com (david.bruce.green)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Titanium shaft treatment
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:22:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

Titanium shafts....
>Specifically, I wonder about trimming the shaft (is a special cutter
>required?), the kind of epoxy to use, and any pitfalls [.....]
.
.
pretend it's expensive steel.  Abrade and crimp the tip (berate it too
if you like), and let the epoxy cure.  Titanium wears well.

					Dave Green
From: mclean@cm.deakin.oz.au (Stewart McLean)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Driver problem
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:26:11 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computing & Mathematics, Deakin University, Australia


	Hi fellow golfers, I was wondering if someone out there could
	help me with a problem. The problem is that I can hit my Ping
	black dots (with KT shafts) without any problem. In fact, 
	my 1 Iron is probably my favoriate club. On the other hand, 
	when I pick yp my Driver, I invariably slice it. My Driver 
	if you're wondering has a 10.5 degree Taylor made head with 
	a graphic shaft (the flex of which is unknown to me. I bought 
	it second hand about a year ago).

	What makes this story so strange is that with my friend's Driver, 
	an 11 degree Cleveland Classic with a S300 steel shaft, I 
	practically never miss the fairway. In fact, I feel as if I can 
	belt the living daylights out of it and still keep it on the fairway.
	
	Could the problem be that my Driver has to stiff a shaft with
	to light a head or is it just me. Oh, just one more thing 
	that might help. My friend's Driver weighs considerably more 
	that mine. I weighed the two on the kitchen scales and 
	fould that my Driver is at least 50 grams lighter than my friends.
	I tried putting lead tape on my Driver but this made no
	improvement.
	

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From: cec@ms-2.gvl.unisys.com (Pete Collins)
Subject: Re: cavity back irons
Organization: Unisys Defense Systems, Great Valley Labs, Paoli, Pa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 12:07:56 GMT

In article <92096.110708DLUX@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> DLUX@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>
>I have seen several postings lately extolling the virtues of cavity back irons.
>
>I could not disagree more. I will never forget the first time I hit my cavity
>back irons. I was never so disappointed in my golfing life. I had
>been playing with an old set of Haig Ultras (at least 25 years old). They must
>be classics by now. The cavity back irons made absolutely no difference in
>the flight of the ball or the carry. A ball hit properly with any club will
>produce a satisfactory result. I have read a number of articles (Golf Digest
>etc.) that have shown through independant testing with machines like Iron
>Byron that there is no significant difference. I still play my 25 year old
>forged Haig Ultras now and then and they seem to produce my best rounds. It
>is probably all in my head, just like the idea that cavity back irons are
>game improvement clubs. My game has improved quite a bit since I got my
>cavity back clubs but I am sure that it is because of some lessons and a lot
>of work. Anyone who believes that buying Pings or 845s will be a quick fix
>for their game is buying a lot of Madison Avenue hype.

  Well, as one of those who happen to feel differently, I'll explain why.
  What I said earlier is that the cavity back irons help a new golfer learn
  easier, by having more forgiving shots, especially those hit off-center.
  Not that they necessarily make you learn better, but they allow you to 
  enjoy learning the game more, and therefore you practice and play more.

  As for Iron Byron, well, he doesn't HIT off-center shots, so I don't
  think it would make much of a difference.  And I certainly don't think
  that a really good golfer would play much better with them....most pros
  can hit damn near anything and do well.  They play a given club because
  someone gives them money and free clubs to do so....

  But for us duffers who are still learning, they help considerably....and
  that TOO comes from reading of various articles in Golf Digest, Golf
  Magazine, etc.....as well as my own experience.  Maybe you're just to the
  point in your golf game where they DON'T make a difference....if so, 
  good for you!

  Pete Collins

  WWAG

  P.S.  By the way, a friend of mine made my clubs for me (Dynacrafts), for
	just under $300 for the whole set.  I would NEVER go out and buy 
	Pings or 845s at my skill level...that would be like learning to
	fly in a F-15....



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From: peak@abacus.Columbia.NCR.COM (Bob Peak)
Subject: Re: Well done Fred
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 14:13:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.160453.113488@watson.ibm.com> tomevans@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com writes:

>I wouldn't bet on it...
>Fred probably won't win at Pebble because he hits a high shot, if its windy,
>I don't see him winning, although I expect him to be in the top 10.
>For the US OPEN, the rough will be 4-6 inches, as oppose to Augusta, where its
>an only inch (maybe next year they'll let it grow to prevent the low scores).

There isn't an inch of rough anywhere on The Augusta National :-) (and I 
dont't believe there ever will be).

The scores for this year's tournament were not all that low - 13 under will 
win it for you most of the time. 

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From: charlie@turbo.Columbia.NCR.COM (Charlie Long)
Subject: Re: About the Masters
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 16:53:37 GMT

In article <griffinb.702741355@unix1.tcd.ie> griffinb@unix1.tcd.ie (brendan james griffin) writes:
>
>We're at that time of year again where our attention is centred on
>Augusta. I thought I'd remind you of some things most of you already
>know about the Masters. Either way, they give me a buzz!
>
>2. Superlatives etc.:
>Gene Sarazen won the Masters in 1935, so becoming the first man to win
>all four Majors at least once. He was helped by the first (and only ? )
>albetross (double eagle) in the Masters.

There was one other double eagle in 1967.  This was a 'masters trivia'
question this week on a local morning talk show.  Sorry I can't remember
who did it!

BTW, Jeff Sluman just yesterday scored the first hole-in-one ever in
the Masters.  The same talk show host calculated that in excess of 
15,000 shots have been made at this same hole in previous Masters.


-- 
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 NCR Corporation,   3325 Platt Springs Rd., W. Columbia, SC 29170       
 email charlie.long@columbiasc.ncr.com   Ph. (803)791-6388 /VP 632-6388 
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From: john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght)
Subject: Re: The 'MAJORS'
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: sqnt
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 15:12:14 GMT

>In article <32060002@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> libbyb@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Libby Bagley) writes:

>   Now that we know what the PGA gland slam consists of,
>   does anyone know what the LPGA gland slam consists of?
>   Isn't the Dinah Shore one of the majors?

>   Libby Bagley

The Dinah Shore
The Du Maurier Classic (sp?) - In Canada. Basically the Canadian Open.
The US Women's Open
The LPGA Championship

John Vander Borght
john@sequent.com
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From: scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve K Cramer)
Subject: Two things
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:18:06 GMT

1. Slow play. I found that I started to play much better when I started to play
more quickly. I usually don't take a practice swing. The practice swing is 
usually the best, so I use it to hit the ball. I do line up and get my grip
the way I want before my shot. I hate seeing two practice swings, then a dub,
on every shot! Hence my sig. file.....just hit it!

2. I read a book written by a guy named Count Yogi. No lie! This guy is, was, a
real flake, but his philosophy about the game has helped me alot! Am I the only
one, on this newsgroup, that has heard of this guy? His book is a must! You'll
crack up laughing at him, but he'll improve your golf.

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Steve Cramer               scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
"just hit it"              614-292-8481  "walk straight and tall"-Count Yogi
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From: David.Moore@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (David Moore)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Northwestern Drivers
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 00:01:01 -0600

William L. Priester Jr. said:

WWMES>I was wondering if there was anyone out there with experience in
Northwest
WWMES>woods.

WWMES>My brother has a driver head on his metal shaft that's definitely not
made
WWMES>of metal, and doesn't seem to have the grain-like appearance of wood.  It
WWMES>seems like it's make of a synthetic substance--tan colored and
homogeneous

WWMES>It also seems like a very forgiving club--it seems like even his scuffs
an
WWMES>mis-hits go much further than my good metal-wood shots.

WWMES>Anyone encounter this club or the substance this driver-head is made of?
WWMES>Is it illegal?  It's made by Northwestern, and it's part of a starter
set.
WWMES>I wonder if NW would put illegal materials in a golf club if they knew
WWMES>the player would never get good enough to take it to its advantage or
WWMES>buy more expenssive clubs for a tournament or when they got better.

My  wife  and I started out on Northwesterns with their "homogenous"
synthetic substances on their drivers.  IF it's part  of  a  starter
set--->>> Nope, it's not a wonder material and it's not expensive or
illegal(does it have square grooves?  <GRIN> )---it's just  a  tough
*PLASTIC*  (probably  Cycolac--same  as  cheap insert plastic--maybe
ABS).  I hope this doesn't disappoint  your  brother.  Truly  exotic
plastics  like Lexan or Kevlar are showing up in golf clubs now, but
I doubt this if it is a starter club.  Graphite  heads  are  usually
*BLACK* in color. All of this stuff is legal.

Metal woods are supposedly MUCH more forgiving as they give a bit of
the perimeter weighting  help  like  with  perimeter  backed  irons.
(Your  brother  proves:  to  each  his own in golf--whatever WORKS).
They also are much more durable than those plastic clubs.   Some  of
those  plastic  clubs  will  SEPARATE at the place where the plastic
meets metal after long use.  But, they *ARE*  starter  set  material
and are fine for their intended use.

Go  into a golf shop and swing a Plastic headed driver, then a metal
headed driver, and finally a graphite headed driver.  I think you'll
see  why  graphite  headed  drivers are the most expensive (they are
light and durable and feel GREAT).



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From: davet@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Dave Tutelman)
Subject: Followup - Acer Heads
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs - Lincroft, NJ
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 12:27:38 GMT
Keywords: phone number, thanks

My thanks to those who wrote me about finding the source for Acer
clubheads.  Special thanks to Kirk Ayers, who got it right.

I now have the catalog for GolfMasters, who is either the manufacturer
or prime outlet for Acer.  They also have a line of shafts I haven't
seen elswhere (called True-Ace, probably related :-?)  It contains the
XDS head that was lauded (on the net last autumn) for its high CG and
long roll.  It also has the Callaway look-alike that I wanted to find.

For anyone else who wants their catalog, request it from:
  GolfMasters, Inc.
  12043 Blondo Street
  Omaha, NE 68154, USA

  (800) 488-7689  in USA.

When I get around to it (and after the Dynacraft catalog arrives), I'll
post some impressions and comparisons among the suppliers.  (I've dealt
with 2 or 3, and have catalogs from a bunch.)

Dave
From: v051r9bf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (When will Mergle EVER shut up?)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Northwestern Drivers
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:19:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I was wondering if there was anyone out there with experience in Northwestern
woods.

My brother has a driver head on his metal shaft that's definitely not made
of metal, and doesn't seem to have the grain-like appearance of wood.  It
seems like it's make of a synthetic substance--tan colored and homogeneous.

It also seems like a very forgiving club--it seems like even his scuffs and 
mis-hits go much further than my good metal-wood shots.

Anyone encounter this club or the substance this driver-head is made of?
Is it illegal?  It's made by Northwestern, and it's part of a starter set.
I wonder if NW would put illegal materials in a golf club if they knew
the player would never get good enough to take it to its advantage or
buy more expenssive clubs for a tournament or when they got better.

.........................................................................

--Mergle                                William L. Priester Jr.
                                        V051R9BF@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu

Eden Valley Golf Course---8 dollars,
18 holes, 6400 yards--rarely crowded.
It's in the middle of nowhere, but hey!
YOU par number 12!  :^)


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From: mvij@unix2.tcd.ie (madhav vij)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Well done Fred
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:21:45 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <griffinb.703163520@unix1.tcd.ie> griffinb@unix1.tcd.ie (brendan james griffin) writes:

>Great win by Couples at Augusta yesterday. I was actually hoping he
>would miss the par putt on 17 to make the climax more exciting, but it
>just goes to show what a great temperament the man has now got.

>Ray Floyd was unlucky not to win- several of his putts shaved the hole.
>But his performance contradicts anyone who says you start to go downhill
>when you reach forty (in golfing terms). I still believe Nicklaus can
>win another major and I know that people have done well in majors who
>were a lot older than him at the time.

>When is Pebble Beach? What are Fred's chances?

>Brendan.
I think that Fred's lucky streak will have run out by the time the U.S. Open
comes along !
   I feel that an American will win the Open , perhaps a retention by Payne
   Stewart or maybe Calcavekkia (sp?) ,Pavin , Davis Love .
     I do hope that Raymond Floyd can win , although i doubt it .

Floyd lost the Masters , Couples just  played par golf .
I don't know how he missed the putts on 11 , 12 and 13 .
Had his eagle gone in on the 15th , it might have been a different story .

All in all , Good luck Fred because that all your going to win this year .A hot
player has to go cold sometime !! 


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From: sasdgh@cedar.unx.sas.com (Glenn Horton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: cavity back irons
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:52:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: unx.1992Apr8.165256.651
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasdgh@cedar.unx.sas.com
X-Bytes: 1260

In article <92099.083808DLUX@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, DLUX@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
|> Iron Byron does make off center shots. I failed to make that clear in an
|> earlier posting. The testing I refered to involved forged blades and cavity
|> back cast irons. Iron Byron was set up for miss hits, a low hit on the heel, a
|> high hit off the toe, etc. The results were that cavity back, game improvement
|> clubs made no significant difference. Bad off center hits produced bad result
|> regardless of the club. The concept of forgiving cavity back irons is a myth.
|> The only way that cavity back irons make a difference is that the myth may
|> give a golfer confidence, thus enabling the golfer to make a better swing. The
|> physics of cavity back irons make no significant difference, significant
|> is the key word.I will search for the reference to the testing so you all can
|> see for yourselves.

	My understanding is that one of the benefits of cavity back irons is
that when you hit the ball out on the toe the club tends to not slip or twist as
much. It's quite possible that Iron Byron has such a grip on the club that it 
wouldn't twist if he hit a bowling ball.
-- 

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From: billodo@cyclone (Bill O'Donnell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: the secret is out
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:38:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: rosevax.1992Apr16.123845.3952
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.

I just read an ad in May's issue of Golf Magazine for Karsten 
Solheim's latest offering in equipment: the PING ZING irons.
They look a lot like the EYE-2's, but there was mention of greater
feel.  Not much more information was given, so if anyone has
details, please post.
From: tomevans@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Practice/Play swing
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:20:25 GMT
Distribution: usa,rec
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

CAUTION - hitting balls of the astroturf mats which are placed on concrete
will bend your clubs. Either use the rubber tee or place the mats on the
ground. Plus it's not good for your joints, unless you pick the ball clean
everytime. My friend had to send his Pings back to get reshafted because
they got bent from the driving range.
Tom
From: clg265@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: PRINGLE
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:23:53 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Apr15.131139.6935@rulway.LeidenUniv.nl>, crisar@rulcvx.LeidenUniv.nl (Anton van Rosmalen) writes:
> PRINGLE is the name of a exclusive wool - garment manufacturer
> they make expensive pullovers (jumpers for you people down under)
> and other expensive garments, for men and ladies....
> they advertise mainly in the golf envirement...
> you will probably have never heard of them in the sticks , and migrant  
> populated coutries a la US of A and aussie ....


Thanks mate for explaining wot a Pringle jumper was.Now everybody in
the states and assieland will have to go out and buy one so that they
can pose on the course.

The author of Crap Golf
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From: eanderso@zeus.calpoly.edu (Eric W. Anderson "ERK")
Subject: Re: Well done Fred
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:51:05 GMT

>I think that Fred's lucky streak will have run out by the time the U.S. Open
>comes along !
>   I feel that an American will win the Open , perhaps a retention by Payne
>   Stewart or maybe Calcavekkia (sp?) ,Pavin , Davis Love .
>     I do hope that Raymond Floyd can win , although i doubt it .
>
>Floyd lost the Masters , Couples just  played par golf .
>I don't know how he missed the putts on 11 , 12 and 13 .
>Had his eagle gone in on the 15th , it might have been a different story .
>
>All in all , Good luck Fred because that all your going to win this year .A hot
>player has to go cold sometime !! 
>

But he did play cold...otherwise he would of won by 10 strokes...BTW I don't
think Floyd lost anything at all...he was still a cut above the field
regardless.


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