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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Rodman
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:09:41 GMT

In article <lh2541INN8tg@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> ma@bluedevil.Eng.Sun.COM (Shing C. Ma) writes:
>
>I would trade Marciulionus for Rodman straight up, but not Marciulionus
>and Hill.  Although losing Marciulionus would hurt, as evident from the
>games so far, having Rodman is a big plus.  Not only is Rodman is a big
>time rebounder he is also an excellent defensive player.  Currently the
>Warriors is being eaten alive by the league's big man, and Rodman can
>effectively slow down players like K. Malone, S. Kemp, C. Barkley, etc.
>The Warriors is quite deep in shooting guard with Sprewell, Grayer
>and Buechler.
>
>Knowing Nelson I doubt he will trade Sarunus for Rodman.  Sigh!  If Nelson
>continues to think that he can win the NBA championship with midgets and
>gimmicks, he must go.  He gotta take some risk to bring the team to the
>next level.

I don't agree.  If Nelson makes a trade, it has to be for size and strength.
Rodman, although he's a great rebounder and a great one on one defender also
represents sapping a strength that Golden State has, scoring.  He can't score
in an empty gym and Sarunas is 18 or 19 points in the bag.  Taking him out
of there will weaken the backcourt considerably (as shown by his injury).
Plus, Rodman can't play center, and that's Golden State's real problem.
If a key player is going to be traded, you can bet it's going to be for a
center.  And now that Rodman has shown such an attitude and personal
problems, I'm sure his trade value drops quite a bit.
From: dario.wolfish@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Dario Wolfish) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Warriors
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:02:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: IDC BBS - Alameda, CA - 510-865-7115
Reply-To: dario.wolfish@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Dario Wolfish) 

Hi. I'm new to this conference. i am a Warriors fan. I grew up with the
Knicks watching Clyde and Willis. Living in the Bay Area, I now (with
heartburn) watch the Warriors.

What's with these guys. Every game seems the same. they fall apart in
the 4th quarter and blow double digit lead. I can't take much more of
this. My blood preasure is being affected. hee hee.
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Date: Wednesday, 18 Nov 1992 16:32:41 EST
From: <IO20738@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Who are the worst players in nba?

Everyone is always talking about who they think is
the best at each position, etc.  I would like to
know who everyone thinks are the worst players in
the NBA.

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From: pa56680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (P. Ialamanna)
Subject: Re: Most players from a specific team
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:29:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.160428.1977@eng.umd.edu> edquist@eng.umd.edu (Karl T. Edquist) writes:
>
>In article <Bxtyso.D07@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>>	Here's a question for U all to ponder:
>>
>>	Which one specific collegiate team (i.e. Old Dominion '86-'87,
>>	Kentucky '84-'85, etc) has the most players currently on NBA
>>	rosters?
>>
>>	HINT:  It's neither Old Dominion 86-87 or Kentucky 84-85.  :)
>>	Jazzy J

>
>How about Michigan '88-'89?  Loy Vaught, Glen Rice, Rumeal Robinson, and Terry Mills.
>Karl

I know that Illinois '88-'89 also has 4 players currently in the NBA:
Kendall Gill, Nick Anderson, Marcus Liberty, and Steve Bardo.

Man the Big 10 was strong that year!


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From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Need Computer Game Recommendations
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:33:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov16.163348.3292
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


Well, I just bought an IBM clone to use on my dissertation, so naturally
I need to buy some computer games now.  Any recommendations on football, 
basketball, baseball, or hockey games would be appreciated.  Please reply
via e-mail.

GT
From: mac1@cec1.wustl.edu (Mohamad Adib Chamas)
Subject: TEST - PLEASE IGNORE
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Distribution: wu
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:55:12 GMT


THIS IS A TEST



Please Ignore

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From: jte@beefheart.cc.columbia.edu (Jeff Eldredge)
Subject: Re: over/underrated players???????
Reply-To: jte@beefheart.cc.columbia.edu
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:29:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.071258.10364@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>  
c60c-1hk@web-1a.berkeley.edu (Alvin Cham) writes:
> Dear basketball fans,
> 
>      how about the most overrated and underrated players at each  
positions??
> 
>      this is what I have in mind:
> 
>      Overrated				Underrated
>      ----------------                   ------------------     
> 
>      PF  Xavier McDaniel		PF  Horace Grant
>      SF	 Dominique Wilkins		SF  Chris Morris
>       C	 Rick Smits			 C  Mark West
>      SG	 Ron Harper			SG  Jeff Hornacek
>      PG  Him Hardaway			PG  Sedalle Threatt
> 
>      any comments or suggestions??

X-Man is not a power forward and I don't think anyone has called him a  
great player.

Chris Morris is not overrated or underrated.  He's erratic.

Tim Hardaway is not underrated in the least.  

The rest of your picks seem within the bounds of reason.

/jte
From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: A Basic Question
Date: 21 Nov 92 17:04:58 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Nov20.222211.21075@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com>, msl@hpcvusc (Mark Laventh
al ) writes:
>>
>> The Bullets are called such because D.C is the murder capital and some people
>> thought calling them the Washington Crack Babies might be tactless.
>
>The Bullets were originally in Baltimore, and the name "Baltimore Bullets"
>has alliteration.  (Of course, so does "Los Angeles Lakers" and that was
>purely by circumstance, since the Lakers were named in Minneapolis.)
>
>Mark Laventhal
>
As a Washington area native I know this, however can't I make a joke, YOU
DON"T NAME A TEAM AFTER A BAD ASPECT OF THE CITY ex. Miami Heat.
  
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From: glosson@mdtf12.fnal.gov (Rich Glosson)
Subject: Re: Shaq should have been on the Olympic Team...
Organization: Fermilab, Batavia, IL
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:34:19 GMT

>>Apparently Sir Charles' mouth is beginning to thaw in the Arizona heat.
>>According to USA TODAY, he recently said this is the first time since Bobby
>>Jones retired he is on a team with white teammates who can actually *PLAY*.
>>---
>You know what, he may actually be right.
>
>Marcus Lindroos                             Internet:     mlindroos@abo.fi
>Computer Science
>Abo Akademi University
>Finland
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>I guess Shaquille O'Neal has every reason to be pissed off by USA Basketball's
>decision to give Christian Laettner the 12th spot on the Olympic Team. He's
>by far been the most impressive rookie this season.
>---
>Even Charles Barkley would be excused for thinking that there was racism
>involved. Guess it was "cute" to put "one of the world's 50 most beautiful
>people" [Laettner according to PEOPLE(?) Magazine] on the team. Someone
>ordinary Americans could relate to among all the multimillionaires and
>super egos. Shaq was the first player chosen in the draft and thus deserved to
>go to the Olympics.

>Marcus Lindroos                             Internet:     mlindroos@abo.fi
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Is there anyone else out there that is sick of racism?  The dictionary
defines racism "The notion that one race is superior or that one race
is inferior".  It does not define it as "The notion that the white race
is superior or that the black race is inferior" - white people are not
the only race that have some that are racist.  We should not tolerate or
belittle racism from anyone of any race.  All this to say that I find
Mr. Barkley's comments very offensive.

Mr. Barkley makes a statement that is undenyably racist to which Marcus
Lindroos (see 1st referenced post) seconds.  Then Marcus takes offense to
something that may or may not of been an act of racism (see 2nd referenced
post).  Why do we allow this double standard?  A standard that says that
it is racism if a white judges/criticise a black person, but it is not
racism if a black judges/criticizes a white person.

Although Mr. Barkley is a great basketball player, we still need to
recognize that judging a person because of skin color is not acceptable.
Racism is wrong from anyone of any race.  Charles is no better person
than David Duke (who BTW, I hear is a good golfer).

Have a great day!
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Subject: Re: Blazer Week
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah
From: jhak@sofya.math.byu.edu (Justin Hakanson)

>Portland 130  Golden State 116
>

Could someone post the box to this game?  The local newspapers had it as
a late game...  Thanks.

Justin.
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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Racism? (Re: Shaq should have been on the Olympic Team...)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:54:41 GMT
Summary: Sir Charles

In article <GLOSSON.92Nov19133419@mdtf12.fnal.gov>, glosson@mdtf12.fnal.gov (Rich Glosson) writes:
> >>Apparently Sir Charles' mouth is beginning to thaw in the Arizona heat.
> >>According to USA TODAY, he recently said this is the first time since Bobby
> >>Jones retired he is on a team with white teammates who can actually *PLAY*.
>
> Mr. Barkley makes a statement that is undenyably racist...
> Although Mr. Barkley is a great basketball player, we still need to
> recognize that judging a person because of skin color is not acceptable.
> Racism is wrong from anyone of any race.  Charles is no better person
> than David Duke (who BTW, I hear is a good golfer).

Last year Barkley said, "the only reason Dave Poppen made the team
(Sixers) is because he's white."  I don't think it was so much a
racist opinion as it was a knock on Poppen.  Let's face it, the guy
was a stiff.  But he didn't make the Sixers because of his skin color.
It had more to do with his size (7').  His statement this year seemed
to be more of a dig at the media for giving him such a rough time for
last year's quote.

And comparing Charles to David Duke is ridiculous.  In case you aren't
aware of it, Charles' wife is white.


SIXERS!

Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: All-star HORSE  (was: rookie all-star game)
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:08:18 GMT

In article <8560.15915@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM> davidd@hobbes.swdc.stratus.com (David Deisley) writes:

>Actually, it was CBS that also had the 1-on-1 contest, which if I remember,
>Kareem ended up winning.  I also remember Mike Newland (anybody remember him?)
>doing well.

     Hmmm, are you sure you aren't thinking of Bob MacAdoo?  He always
did great in these 1-on-1 competitions because he was, in those days,
one of the few big men who also had an outside shot and could handle
the ball.  He won at least one of those 1-on-1 competitions.  Most
of the better 1-on-1 players were big guards (like Mike Newlin) or
small forwards -- point guards were too shrimpy and PFs and Cs in
those days couldn't dribble the ball without bouncing it off their
feet.  Most of them didn't have outside shots either.  MacAddoo was
the exception, and at 6'9" no SF or SG was going to stop him 1-on-1.
     I don't remember seeing Kareem play in the 1-on-1 competitions,
indeed a number of the top superstars didn't play.
     Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Mike Newlin did well.
He could shoot.
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From: ortcm@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (thomas.mcguigan)
Subject: Brian Williams faints again
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:31:23 GMT


Brian Williams was admitted to Florida Hospital after fainting during practice
on Thursday.  He was discharged on Saturday afternoon.  Brian had been
complaining of minor dizzy spells for several days prior to the incident.
If there is any plus side to the occurance, it is that this time Williams did
not completely black-out.  Brain has been under the care of a dietician in an
attempt to remedy some minor problems - borderline anemia, excessive protein
levels in his urine, and dehydration.  There has been no news from the Magic
about what Williams and the team will do next.

Tom@Orlando
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From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: Shaq should have been on the Olympic Team...
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 00:14:01 GMT

gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:

>As for Shaquille, he has 20 million reasons not to be pissed off at
>anybody or anything.  Ever.

I thought it was 40 million reasons.

>--Gidi

    --mack
From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Why Golden State will be the next dynasty.
Date: 20 Nov 92 02:08:03
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cork.cs.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: mark@dbaccess.com's message of 20 Nov 92 00:03:35 GMT

>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Milani <mark@dbaccess.com> writes:
>Nelson is a good coach, but he's highly overrated. I think his talent
>development skills are poor and talent evaluation mediocre. Unless Golden
>State gets lucky and steals away an upper echelon inside player, someone
>who at least has the potential to be an All-Star, they're going nowhere.

  Mark> ... like Bill Laimbeer or Bill Cartwright :)  Really, I think there
  Mark> is enough talent to get them to another level, but I think it is
  Mark> a couple of years down the line.  

Actually, I agree completely with this statement. First, both of those
players can play low post defense, something sorely lacking from the
Warriors game. Second, I believe (don't quote me on this) Laimbeer appeared
in an All-Star game.

Even if neither of those guys did All-Star they are exactly the sort of
player I'm talking about. Alton Lister pre-injury could have been one of
the pieces to the puzzle. With three 1st round picks Nellie couldn't pull
the trigger and get someone like him. I really believe Nellie should have
gone that route when it was clear he wasn't going to get Mutombo.

Also, is it my imagination or is everyone on the Warriors (except Hardaway)
too nice? A little bit of a mean streak would help in my opinion.

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From: salas@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Miguel Salas)
Subject: What happened to Daugherty? 
Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:10:21 GMT


What happened to Brad Daugherty? His name has not been in the 
box scores. I personally think with Brad they would have not lost 
those games in the West.
This is a team that they will remain as one of the top three teams as 
long they don't lose Daugherty or Price.
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From: hbolande@java.journalism.indiana.edu
Subject: Bulls stomp Suns: a sad tale
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 05:48:16 GMT

FROM A SUNS FAN'S PERSPECTIVE: The game tonight (11/22) was a real  
let-down.
 
 Barkley scored points, pulled down some rebounds, but didn't seem like  
the kind of presence (on defense, inside) that you would expect. It's  
games like this one (and the earlier loss against Portland) when Barkley  
needs to show us his stuff -- not against the Minnesotas, etc.
 The offense seemed not to have any flow or team-work going. KJ was about  
as "in synch" with his teammates as someone in a pick-up game. There  
didn't seem to be much of a system at work. The number of turnovers was  
incredible.
 In general, the defense was inconsistent, loose, and disorganized.
 Instead of bringing his heroics, it would seem Barkley has brought the  
'76ers lack of discipline to Phoenix. (Those new uniforms, in particular,  
contributed to the sense that the Suns got traded to Barkley's team  
instead of vice-versa).
 Oliver Miller, contrary to what I'd read, looks fatter than he ever did  
at Arkansas.

ON THE OTHER HAND: The game was against the Bulls, not the Mavs.
 The Suns still have a lot of time to get their act together; perhaps it  
will be a totally different story in May. (I sure wish Cotton Fitzsimmons  
had stuck around for just one more season, though.)
 Kudos to the incomparable Jordan and BJ Armstrong who had excellent  
games.

TWO QUESTIONS FOR SUNS FANS:
1) Why didn't Knight (who posted great numbers while KJ was injured) come  
off the bench instead of Frank Johnson at PG?
2)Does anybody like the new uniforms?

Sincerely,
H. A. Bolande
A Suns Fan in Indiana
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From: sikorski@news.miami.edu (Richard Sikorski)
Subject: Re: mia05 Heat @ cha06 Hornets - 14Nov comments
Organization: R.S.M.A.S.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 16:35:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.151926.21468@news.miami.edu> sikorski@news.miami.edu (Richard Sikorski) writes:
>mia05cha06.14nov92
>
>(mia)Seikaly pressure forced (cha) rookie Alonzo Mourning to foul out
>early in Q4. (Hornet Coach Bristow has played Mourning to two foul-outs
>in his two games, apparently to give him full-foul-playing experience
>early in the season).


OOPS.

Mourning didnt foul out in his first game, just in this Heat game.

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From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Shaq: 2nd coming of Jordan?
Date: 20 Nov 1992 22:51:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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This could be the player we thought wouldn't come again.  So far, what
Shaqis doing reminds me of Jordan's explosion into the League.  How long
before he starts complainning, "Get me some talent?!" ;)  Of course it's
early, and he hasn't faced many great Centers yet.  But, if he continues
putting up 29pts/19rebs or so a game, Orlando will explode into the playoffs
THIS YEAR!  Amazing.

Mike
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Wolves Moves
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:34:37 GMT

khansen@staff.tc.umn.edu () writes:

>The Minnesota Timberwolves announced that they have waived free agent guard
>Reggie Fox.

>Fox, who was placed on the injured list to start the season, saw very 
>little playing time during the pre-season.  He looked very good in the last
>two games of the pre-season, but then was hurt.

	Is this the Reggie Fox who played at Wyoming in the heydays in
	those teams w/ Eric Leckner or Fennis Dembo?  If so, he'd be a pretty
	old rookie (I believe he graduated in '89 or so).

	Jazzy J

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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Undefeated Teams?
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:59:00 GMT

jhak@sofya.math.byu.edu (Justin Hakanson) writes:
>I do believe it was the '72 Lakers who went 69-13.  Nobody's ever broken
>the 70 win mark.  There was a Sixers team in the late 60's, I believe, who
>went 68-13.

You probably mean 68-14.

Those of us who look up at the database on wuarchive.wustl.edu know
that the 73 Celtics also went 68-14.  The next high marks in teh last 22
years are the 86 Celts and 92 Bulls with 67-15.


--Gidi
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From: rpierce@oracle.com (Russell Pierce)
Subject: Re:TRAILBLAZERS WILL GO 82-0 AND CHOKE IN THE FINALS AGAIN
Keywords: HA HA HA, Blazers=chokers, funny stuff, dreamworld
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, CA  94065
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:27:40 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Nov18.000904.9009@EE.Stanford.EDU> mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>
>NUF SAID.

	I couldn't agree more.  But they might not even make the finals.
	They will probably choke in the playoffs.  It's one thing to have talent	but you need to have smarts to win the NBA title.  And the Blazers
	ain't got da smarts to do it, they've proved it twice in the last
	3 years, 3 times if you count Cliff "stonehands" Robison's fumbleroski
	again the LAKERS.  By the way, where is RIP CITY??


		SEEEEEEEEEEE YAAAAAAAAAA 

			Russ
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