From: schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: computer terminology in Greek
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:00:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.schoinas.721508418
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

santas@inf.ethz.ch (Philip Santas) writes:

>In article <schoinas.721334149@cs.wisc.edu> schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas) writes:
>>santas@inf.ethz.ch (Philip Santas) writes:
>>
>>>Compiler = Metaglwtisths
>>>Interpreter = Metafrasths.
>>
>>Oxi, den einai etsi. Oi metafraseis poy eixame htan:
>>Compiler = Metafrasths
>>Interpreter = Diermhneyths

>Syggvwmn, alla to Diermnveuths eivai margaritari.
>Poios "egkefalos" to epivonse? To Diermnveas 6ev tou ekave
>sto katw katw tns grafhs?
>(mou 8umise to koufo: "Astyvomia Polewv", to opoio bebaia
>e3aleif8nke me tn paro6o tou xrovou...)

>>Phres mia idea ths sygxyshs gia thn opoia milav.

>To oti merikoi asxetoi kavouv tou kefaliou tous, eivai to
>movo pou 6nmiourgei sygxnsn. As apofasisouv telika se mia
>_swsth_ orologia, kai as stamathsouv tis kotsaves: Swsta ellnvika
>vai, mparmpoutsala oxi.

Nomizv oti den exeis katalabei akribvs poio einai to problhma moy.
Kauomai poy les kai diabazv ena episthmoniko aruro kai meta erxetai
enas filos kai syzhtame panv se ayto. As kanoyme thn ypouesh oti
eimaste kai oi dyo Ellhnes. H monh epilogh poy exoyme einai na
xrhsimopoihsoyme ellhnika me agglikoys ametafrastoys oroys h na 
xrhsimopoihsoyme agglika. Thn deyterh epilogh thn briskv ligo
geloia kai ara protimv thn prvth. An me rvtas giati den metafrazv
toys oroys sta ellhnika, ua soy pv oti den eimai epaggelmatias 
metafrasths, dhl. telika den nivuv sigoyros oti h gnvsh moy toso
ths agglikhs glvssas oso kai ths ellhnikhs moy epitrepei na kanv
aythn thn doyleia, ua soy pv oti yparxoyn kalytera pragmata gia
na spatalhsv ton xrono moy kai ua soy pv oti den einai sigoyros 
oti o allos ua katalabei giati toy milav an den toy dvsv prvta
kai thn antistoixia orologias. 

Elpizv na symfvneis oti o mesos episthmonas plhroforikhs den einai 
se uesh na kanei mia petyxhmenh metafrash orologias opvs kai o mesos 
filologos den einai se uesh na metafrasei petyxhmena agglikh logotexnia. 
Gia thn akribeia, einai poly xeirotera giati o filologos exei poly 
kalyterh gnvsh tvn glvssvn apo oti enas episthmonas plhroforikhs.
Ara xreiazomaste metafrastes me talento kai gnvsh ths perioxhs. 
Posoi tetoioi nomizeis oti yparxoyn sthn Ellada? Kai yparxei pote
periptvsh na metafrasoyn sta ellhnika oloys toys agglikoys texnikoys
oroys? Kai den prepei na jexname oti h orologia sta agglika allazei
synexvs se mia perioxh. Rije mia matia p.x. se arura arxitektonikhs
h leitoyrgikvn systhmatvn grammena prin deka-eikosi xronia kai 
grammena shmera. Rije mia matia sta RFCs gia to Internet kai na
moy tryphseis thn myth an den breis kai apo enan kainoyrio oro se
kaue ena apo ayta(gia ta networks standards h orologia einai asta 
na pane). Ara katalhgv oti an prokeitai na xrhsimopoihsv ta "blaxoellhnika",
opvs ta les, gia na synnenohuv me kapoion Ellhna gia thn pleiochfia
tvn periptvsevn eilikrina den dinv dekara gia to poia ua einai h 
epishmh metafrash gia to elaxisto pososto tvn orvn eyreias katanalvshs.

Alhueia, den katalaba akribvs to problhma soy me to diermhneyths.
Kai telvs pantvn poia h diafora metajy metaglvtisth kai metafrasth?

>>>> com.pile vt  \k*m-'pi(*)l\
>>>>      1 : to collect into a volume
>>>>      2 : to compose out of materials from other documents
>>
>>>Kai pou faivetai o _akribhs_ orismos estw tou "Compile C" apo tov parapavw
>>>_geviko_ orismo?
>>
>>Den katalaba ti ennoeis. An ennoeis ti moy deixnei h frash "compile C"
>>apo thn frash "metaglvtisa/metafrasa C" einai akribvs ayto poy lev.
>>Uymhsoy ta header files kaneis include se ena C source file. Alla
>>uymhsoy kai thn epanaxrhsimopoihsh kvdika kauvs kobeis kai rabeis
>>palia soy programmata gia na ftiajeis to kainoyrio.

>Otav kaveis CC anExample.c 6ev kaveis movo kopsimo kai rapsimo,
>alla kai _metaglwtizeis_ to olo "koustoumaki". Pou faivetai auto
>stov orismo tou Compile?

>>Alhueia, pvs metafrazeis to "multimedia"?

>Alh8eia, poios eivai o akribhs _orismos_ tou Multimedia?
>H tou Hypermedia? O ka8evas exei tn 6ikia tou apopsn gia to 8ema.

Den exv idea. Alla otan eruei to tade paketo sthn Ellada kai paei
mia etairia na to poylhsei san ti synistas na to metafrasei mias
kai to multimedia den einai ellhnikos oros(h mhpvs ta latinika 
epitrepontai)?

>Apo tnv alln exw akousei kai arketes koufes metafores orwv
>sta ellnvika opws:

>Object Oriented Programming: "Avtikeimevostrofos Programmatismos" !!!
> (ti lete re pai6ia? To _aplo_, _eukolokatavonto_ kai realistiko
>  "Programmatismos me Avtikeimeva" 6ev to skefthkate?)

>Interface: "Ev6wmetwpi6a". !!! kai pali !!!
>  To "Programma Diaproswpias", (afou suvh8ws inter+something -> 6ia+kati)
>  h estw "Programma Epikoivwvias", h kai stnv xeirotern twv periptwsewv
>  "Ev6iameso Programma" 6ev sas kavei?
>  Interface _6ev_ eivai InTheFace :-)

>Movo eav ypar3ei _realistikh_ kai _bath_ metafrasn, 8a exoume kai metafora
>tns syvtrnptikhs pleiopshefeias twv orwv sta ellnvika. Alliws, 8a milame
>blaxo-egglivika opws:
> kompilarise auto to programma.
> biase to file. 
> programmatizw avtikeimevostrofika me klaseis (kai me 6iplo 6iaforiko, 
>   trabaei stnv avnfora, klp :-)
> Pws Ev6wmetwpizeis?

>kai alles ares-mares-koukouvares...

Kai janalev oti to problhma einai poios ua kanei aytes tis metafraseis.

					Xairetv,
					Giannis.