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From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (General Principle)
Subject: Re: A nation chosen by GOD -- New-Israel
Summary: Not through reading yet, though. 
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: Double Entendres 
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:38:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.153130.2369@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, 
f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes...

>In article <7JAN199321154250@utarlg.uta.edu>, 
>b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (General Mineral) writes:

>> In article <16B4FBE8C.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de>, 
>> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes...
>>> 

>>>In article <5JAN199319431894@utarlg.uta.edu>
>>>b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (General Inspiracy) writes:
>>> 

>>>The fancy point is, that you think that you have it all figured out. 
>> 
>> I've expressed (in no uncertain terms) my =belief=. I could be wrong,
>> childish, deranged, manipulative, human, machine, etc.... I could be
>> a different person tomorrow than today or yesterday. That's why I
>> put my faith in GOD, rather than myself. Very different than saying
>> "I know."
>> 
>> So -- to make it very, very clear -- I don't think I have anything
>> figured out. 
>> 
>The big clue!  We try to figure God out.  The problem is, He won't
>fit in our understanding... too big...would blow the circuits.  So
>why not let him put His understanding in us.  All we have to do is
>sincerely ask Him.  If He was wise enough to put the universe
>together, He can certainly find a way to communicate with us if
>we're interested.
> 
>-Joe Gaut

Something like, "God, if you want me to know, I'm willing."

In fact, I'm more than willing, I'm insatiably curious,
(and just a little given to exaggeration). Well, ok, more than
a little.

I think I was concerned Joe, that I'd get what =I= asked for.
So I ask GOD to decide what and when. (Already blown a few fuses.)

Lo and behold, I get a free trip to alt.atheism, having started over 
in alt.conspiracy... Guess I'll add the group. I was invited in email,
with a suggestion not to fling around scripture as dialogue -- seems 
right to me. I'll be dropping out of the political groups for now,
except to wind up a few threads.

I'm wondering if there are really any true "atheist."

   |
-- J --
   |
   |  Stephen   
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From: lbr@holos0.uucp (Len Reed)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism.d,misc.legal,alt.politics.bush,alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
Date: 4 Jan 93 01:25:08 GMT
Organization: Holos Software, Inc.

In article <1992Dec31.164944.9552@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
>In article <bhayden.725782011@teal> Bruce Hayden, bhayden@teal.csn.org
>writes:
>>>
>>>Lying to Congress has a long history. Presidents of both parties have
>>>done it as a matter of course. If you criminalize that, you would have
>>>to put FDR, JFK, and LBJ at the head of the list....
>[much omitted]  (I take it you omitted Nixon for a reason?)

Can't count him--he was pardoned. :-)
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From: lwb@cs.utexas.edu (Lance W. Bledsoe)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.activism,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: John Birch Society
Date: 11 Jan 1993 17:54:34 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1993Jan11.142111.16948@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
>pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:
>] In article <1iabr7INNpbf@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> lwb@cs.utexas.edu (Lance W. Bledsoe) writes:
>] 
>] >                             The Insiders
>] >                                  by
>] >                            John F. McManus

>let me guess, you buy into all that EastCoastMediaMonger's
>Propoganda about how there is an end to the cold war,
>and that somehow we should lull ourselves to sleep.....

>Well I'll Tell You Bud! No Sooner do You Close your eyes
>and the Little Red Menace Comes Out from Underneath your
>Bed and Continues the Communist Conspiracy!

>How Else Do You explain the fact that laundromats have a
>way of giving you back only ONE of a pair of Socks!!!!

Well, we're all glad that you had somthing constructive to ad...















Lance


-- 
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|  Lance W. Bledsoe        lwb@im4u.cs.utexas.edu        (512) 258-0112  |
|  "Ye shall know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH shall make you free."         |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Apology for Chip Berlet
Date: 9 Jan 1993 11:56:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.apc.org>(Chip Berlet) writes:

<in a list of prepared lecture topics>

>Debunking Conspiracy Theories:
>
>There was no "Secret Team" behind Iran Contragate, the "Octopus 
>Theory" is all wet, George Bush's New World Order is not part 
>of a clandestine para-government run by Yale's "Skull and Bones" 
>society. An appeal to reason and logic.

Well Chip. Seems you've been holding out on us. We've got folks here
VERY interested and fairly knowledgable on all the theories you mention.
If you have the definitive refutation, let's hear it. Inquiring minds
want to know.

-Steve Crocker
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: alteh@bnr.ca (Alwyn Teh)
Subject: World Conspiracy & Secret Base on the Moon
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:37:18 GMT

Last  weekend I heard on the local TV news in London (UK) that there was
a conference  at Wembley.  Can't  remember what group  organised it, but
they were telling people that there is a conspiracy amongst the nations'
governments  and  multinational  companies to take over the world.  They
claimed that secret bases were being set up on the moon (there is a dark
side of the moon  which we on Earth  can  never  see due to  synchronous
rotation) to co-ordinate the efforts.

Has  anybody  heard  anything as absurd as this?  If this is true, and I
doubt so, this would  imply a  worldwide  totalitarian  government.  The
organisation  which  initiated the conference  were careful not to upset
the  authorities or risk getting  misrepresented  so they kept the media
and press out.

Yours confused and worried...
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: grege@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Gregory M Ellis)
Subject: Re: Safeguards in the use of Nuclear Weapons
Keywords: Nuclear, Fail-Safe
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:58:39 GMT

kirby@pyramid.cs.unr.edu (Stephen Kirby) writes:


>From Stephen Kirby <kirby@pyramid.cs.unr.edu>



>	I was curious as to how the military, in ALL nuclear powers,
>prevents individuals from firing nuclear tipped missiles. I am asking
>for my own piece of mind because for every deterent I can think of, I
>can also think of a way to circumvent it.

>Steve

>[mod note -- at least in the USAF, it is impossible for a crew to launch an
>ICBM without certain steps are taken.  These are from memory, and may be
>slightly different than actually listed.

>	1.  National Command Authority (NCA) orders a launch
>	2.  SAC verifies identity of NCA and launch codes.
>	3.  Valid launch codes are transmitted to Missle Combat Crew (MCC)
>            from SAC in the form of an Emergency War Order (EWO).
>	4.  Crew validates (EWO).
>	5.  If EWO is valid, crew initiates launch procedures.  Launch
>	    keys must be turned simulataneously (+-1 sec).
>	6.  Each missile in the flight (10 missiles) tallies the launch
>	    vote.  Waits for second valid launch vote from another crew.
>	    If both votes are tallied as valid, launch then occurs

(some stuff deleted)

The key to releasing nuclear weapons for launch was "two-man control" and a
good communications system.  All release code deciphering materials, all
warheads, all storage facilities, everything was secured with a dual-lock
system and the combination for one lock was known by only one group and the
combination for the other was known only by another group.  The combinations
weren't even stored at the same facility.  I was with a NATO Warhead Support
unit in Germany, and was frequently amazed/baffled by the safeguards
employed.  I frequently wondered if the system would work at all if
communications were severely interrupted (as they most likely would have
been in a war scenario).

I think the same general safeguard were/are employed by all the services for
"nuclear surety" as it is called in the military.  All individuals involved
in security, maintenance, handling, storage, etc. are screened and given a
background investigation before they can fill one of the above rolls, as
well.

Of course, no system is PERFECT..................sleep well.......;-)
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From: rhogan@phakt.usc.edu (Ron Hogan)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.atheism,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: _Jesus: A Life_ by A.N. Wilson
Date: 12 Jan 1993 01:02:26 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

pub@riscee.pko.dec.com (Publius) writes:

>>Matthew 27:24-25

>But, anyway, the crowd mentioned in this passage must be the pro-Roman
>partisans of the Roman-appointed high priest.   The fact they could
>shout in unison is indicative of two things:

>(1) The crowd wasn't very large, probabily not beyond several hundreds,
>    if not smaller.  A large crowd can NOT shout in unison.

>(2) The crowd was highly organized.   Only a highly organized crowd can
>    shout in unison.

So, can a large highly organized crowd shout in unison or not?

And how large does a crowd have to be before it needs organization
in order to shout in unison?

Ron Hogan
rhogan@usc.edu
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From: ewm@cbnews.cb.att.com (edward.w.mcfarland)
Subject: Re: Democracy or Republic?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:01:04 GMT

In article <1imaccINNmho@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
>
>Maybe I'm missing something, but I always thought this was a 
>DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC.  At least some of the founding fathers appear
>to have held this view, as suggested by the name of Thomas Jefferson's
>Democratic-Republican Party.
>
>-Steve

You're right, the U.S. is supposed to be a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC.  When was the 
last time a bureaucrat consulted you about issues he/she has control over
which affect YOUR equity?  The founders are rolling in their graves at what
has become of their "Republic", don't you agree?  The Constitution mandates
a Democratic Republic... who in government pays any attention to those portions
of the Constitution that don't fit today's `agenda'...


     Ed McFarland                       We make history the old-fashioned
     ewm@mvuzr.att.com                  way, we revise it!
     The road to a police state is paved with good intentions.  -Ray Shea
*  Truth :  the most deadly weapon ever discovered by humanity. Capable of   *
*  destroying entire perceptual sets, cultures, and realities. Outlawed by   *
*  all governments everywhere. Possession is normally punishable by death.   *
                                          -Richard Childers
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.president.clinton
From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (brett mcinnes)
Subject: Re: Execute Amy Fisher!!!
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:08:53 GMT

amanda@rana.usc.edu (Amanda Bischoff) writes:
: 
: I do agree, though, that are penalties need to be stiffened.
: Plus, the other problem is we need to re-educate those who are
: incarcerated, or get them psychiatric care, so that when they
: leave prison they are capable of contributing to society.
: 
: Amanda
: 
: 
Use them as slave labour. I'm totally against the death penalty....it's a
waste of slave labour.
From: cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz vs Chip Berlet
Date: 11 Jan 1993 10:55:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


>>And just dismissing Gritz as a crackpot or lunatic doesn't really prove
>>he isn't telling the truth.
>
>Given that Gritz has been wrong about everything that is checkable,
>what makes you think he's truthful about this one?  Especially when
>Gritz has *no* evidence of his claims.
>
>Gritz is just a con-man trying to get money out of you the way he
>got money out of Ross Perot.
>-- 
>ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
>standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
>the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637

I think you may be right, Ted, but I just don't know.  I'd like a little
more to go on than your say-so.  Where did you get this information?
Except for some pretty solid stuff that I've received from Chip Berlet
establishing that he's associated with some pretty seedy characters a
while back, I've found verifiable information about Gritz pretty hard to
come by.

It would sure help me if someone could document some lies he's told, some
crimes he's committed, or some anti-Semitic/white racist things he's
said in his writings or speeches.  Most of what I've heard seems to be rant
that is unsubstantiated from his political enemies, not exactly an
unbiased source.

In fact, if Gritz is the Jew hating white racist liar his enemies say
he is, I'm surprised the net isn't just loaded with such documentation.

Calling someone a villian doesn't make him one unless he's actually done
or said something wrong.  Ideology alone doesn't make someone a villian.
Neither does knowing scum unless he is one of them.

How can we know for sure that Gritz is a liar?  How can we know for sure
that he is a anti-Semitic white racist?  To be sure, we need more than
just a lot of people saying he is these things.  Rumors and gossip
aren't evidence.

I understand that he once wrote that some of the families that own the
Federal Reserve are Jewish.  Is saying this anti-Semitic?  It seems to
me that such would be the case only if he said these Jews were evil
BECAUSE they are Jewish or if it's not true.  If a bank is owned by a
Mormon family, does saying so make one an anti-Mormon?  Some people
define anti-Semitism so broadly that almost nobody can escape the
appellation unless he is Jewish.

If anyone can produce SUBSTANTIAL evidence that Bo Gritz is either
anti-Semitic or white racist as I define those terms, I will turn away
from him in total disgust.

Afterall my wife and three children are mestizo and I have Jewish
ancestry that I am very proud of.  I detest anti-Semites and white
racists.

Oddly enough, I have never seen convincing evidence that Bo Gritz is
either.

-- 


--------- All my opinions are tentative pending further data. ---------
------------ John W. Redelfs, cj195@cleveland.Freenet.edu -------------
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: lion@netcom.com (carl loeber)
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 08:40:15 GMT

I seem to have heard he was considering a run for the governors office
in Idaho. Or is that Idahoe?

Maybe that's old news.   

You can call Arizona,

Center for Action  (602)969-9260


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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,sci.astro
Subject: Re: "Moonraker" -- fact or fiction?
From: system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 22:27:27 NZST
Organization: The Code Works Limited, PO Box 10 155, Auckland, New Zealand

aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes:

> Just shows what you know! Remember that TV show back in the 60's called
> "The Time Tunnel" created by Irwin Allen? Well, Mr. Allen was working
> for the SSA (I can't tell you what that stands for or they will kill me)
> and was responsible for announcing to the public the time travel technology
> which MJ-12 received from the aliens.
> 
> The show flopped so SSA decided that the public wasn't ready to know
> about the newly acquired time travel technology (much less the source).

Does the poularity of Quantum Leap mean that the public is now ready to know?

-- 
  Wayne McDougall, BCNU
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Hello! I'm a .SIG Virus. Copy me and spread the fun.
From: spinoza@next06wor.wam.umd.edu (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: REVERSING THE SCALES OF INJUSTICE: If Iraq Occupied the United States
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:33:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.194450.16424@mont.cs.missouri.edu> jad@Turing.ORG  
(John DiNardo)  posts more drivel, not that that's new or anything, but  
one wishes that he'd catch a clue sometime.........

If the United States armd forces were indeed behaving like those of Iraq
(gassing, say, the population of Newark, New Jersey) I would certainly  
hope that someone would come in and kick some American behind. You are  
perhaps forgetting that the reason for the "no-fly rule" was to protect  
both the Kurds in the north and the Shi'ites in the south.

As far as your American/Nazi comparison goes, I am unaware of any  
instances where the Army of the Third Reich was used to either:

a) feed starving individuals and/or protect relief agencies who feed the  
aforementioned individuals (Somalia)

b) protect refugees from the armies of an individual who is clearly a  
murderous sociopath (Iraq- or have you forgotten Halabja?)



cheers

j slorecki-weiss




Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush,alt.president.clinton
From: daugherb@b8.b8.ingr.com (Bruce Daugherty)
Subject: Re: Pardon Amy Fisher!
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:19:48 GMT

In article <randall.726280339@seashore>, randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:
> 
> I am in total agreement with Bush's pardon of Weinberger, and his reasons
> for the pardon.  Now Bush should take it one step further with the
> case that has received more media attention than Iran-Contra.
> 
> As George Bush's final act in office, I think he should pardon Amy
> Fisher.   After watching three TV movies about her, (I'm sure glad
> I have a VCR!) I've come to the conclusion that she's basically
> a patriotic American girl.  I'll bet if you asked her, she would
> say that she loves America.  She didn't shoot her lover's wife
> for any personal financial gain.  She believed strongly in her
> cause.   I think we need to encourage our young people to stand up
> for what they believe in, even if it means violating some dumb
> law set up by some legislator somewhere.  And look at all the
> good that's come of what she did.  She's rich now off of the
> rights to her story, and so are the Montefuscos (or whatever
> their name is).  And nobody died really.  So what's she doing
> in jail?  She should be doing what she does best, like making
> sex tapes and stuff.  What a waste of young talent.  If Bush won't
> do it, then Clinton should.  Maybe if they saw one of her sex
> tapes they would see my point.  They probably can see uncensored
> ones because of their "executive privilege" and stuff, while us
> regular folks have to see all the shadows and editing that Hard
> Copy puts in.
> 
> I really think these prosecutors are overstepping their authority
> if you ask me.  What right do they have to issue indictments and
> stuff?   And what's all this stuff about the constitution and
> checks and balances?  My 5th grade teacher talked about all that
> stuff, but I don't really know much about it since my only contact
> with the outside world is CNN Headline News.  I wonder if CNN will
> be doing their own movie about Amy Fisher.  I sure hope so, cause
> I can't get enough of her, if you know what I mean.  :-)
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Randall Rhea                                        Informix Software, Inc. 
> Project Manager, MIS Sales/Marketing Systems    uunet!pyramid!infmx!randall



**  I can't beleive people actually watched this crap! It really surprises
**  me how so many people are so easily amused. Quick.. get to the nearest
**  grocery store for the new copy of National Nincompoops..Boy Scout pre-
**  forms c-section on pregnant lady with Swiss army knife can opener!
**  Damn! I forgot to send my life savings to Telefaker Tilton, he assured
**  me a trip to heaven. Let's pardon all the gutless wonders who show no
**  respect for the laws of our country because after all, they  are above
**  the little common people who don't need to know just how bad they are
**  getting fudge packed! Sensationalism is so boring! 
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From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush,alt.president.clinton
Subject: Pardon Amy Fisher!
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:32:19 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.


I am in total agreement with Bush's pardon of Weinberger, and his reasons
for the pardon.  Now Bush should take it one step further with the
case that has received more media attention than Iran-Contra.

As George Bush's final act in office, I think he should pardon Amy
Fisher.   After watching three TV movies about her, (I'm sure glad
I have a VCR!) I've come to the conclusion that she's basically
a patriotic American girl.  I'll bet if you asked her, she would
say that she loves America.  She didn't shoot her lover's wife
for any personal financial gain.  She believed strongly in her
cause.   I think we need to encourage our young people to stand up
for what they believe in, even if it means violating some dumb
law set up by some legislator somewhere.  And look at all the
good that's come of what she did.  She's rich now off of the
rights to her story, and so are the Montefuscos (or whatever
their name is).  And nobody died really.  So what's she doing
in jail?  She should be doing what she does best, like making
sex tapes and stuff.  What a waste of young talent.  If Bush won't
do it, then Clinton should.  Maybe if they saw one of her sex
tapes they would see my point.  They probably can see uncensored
ones because of their "executive privilege" and stuff, while us
regular folks have to see all the shadows and editing that Hard
Copy puts in.

I really think these prosecutors are overstepping their authority
if you ask me.  What right do they have to issue indictments and
stuff?   And what's all this stuff about the constitution and
checks and balances?  My 5th grade teacher talked about all that
stuff, but I don't really know much about it since my only contact
with the outside world is CNN Headline News.  I wonder if CNN will
be doing their own movie about Amy Fisher.  I sure hope so, cause
I can't get enough of her, if you know what I mean.  :-)


-- 

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Randall Rhea                                        Informix Software, Inc. 
Project Manager, MIS Sales/Marketing Systems    uunet!pyramid!infmx!randall
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