HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.tv.uk,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Do You Remember any Gay/Lesbian Characters on TV Series?
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:11:38 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <24176@castle.ed.ac.uk>, sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
> fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
> 
>> Um; not sure if it really counts as a TV program or not, but there's reputedly
>>a gay character on _Eldorado_, the new soap that the Beeb are foisting upon us
>>three times a week. I've not seen him; I watched the first episode, and that
> 
> Foisting upon *you*??  Foisting upon *us*, surely; you get the Beeb in
> the states???
> 
> Sara, puzzled ...

 Ah, I see; no, I'm actually in the UK, just posting from thie site; there's a
real (hah! vmsnews != real) newsreader,  and I can post; other accounts can
read, or post; this is the only one that does both. It's just at a university
in the US to confuse things.. <grin>

 -- Fenthe (dmitchell@cix.compulink.co.uk / m91djm@ecs.ox.ac.uk, as if anyone
            cared.)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: Breeders and kikes
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:57:39 GMT

IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
: what do you mean, there aren't good jews and bad jews?  guess they
: really ARE the chosen people...
: 
: there are good dykes and bad dykes, good black people and bad black
: people, good pagans and bad pagans, good straights and bad straights,
: good christians and bad christians, good men and bad men, and on and on...
: no group has the corner on goodness, and no one group has the corner on
: badness.  i know a very nice devoutly feminist muslim man, for instance.
: 
Yes, but who gets to decide? You? Me? The KKK? I think (hope) you missed 
John's point.  There are people who are ________(whatever group here) who 
are bad, that's true enough. But what terms like "Kike" do is say that 
this group of Jews are bad FOR BEING JEWISH IN A WAY THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE
to someone who is has no right (IMO) to make such a judgment. That's 
prejudice.


Kathy
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.activism
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 19:22:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.223426.3201@pony.Ingres.COM> rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner) writes:

>I have enough of a brain left that I can attribute these actions to a very
>small and certainly not representative slice of the population of Mexican
>Americans.

Well then, I must not have a brain left anymore.  The beatings from
young white heterosexual men in New York, in Houston, in Miami, in
Chicago, in Boston, in Lincoln, in Raleigh, and many other places must
have driven from my head the subtle distinctions between one group of
young white heterosexual men and another.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You mean there are TWO of you, Pierce?
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  God help us all."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Major Charles Emerson Winchester III
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: smith_bob_e@tandem.com (Robert Emery Smith)
Subject: Re: License Plate
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:40:34 GMT

In article <9207281411.AA22784@mach4.wlu.ca>, neill5@mamut.wlu.ca (neill
kernohan 9207 A) wrote:
> 
> I saw a license plate yesterday that just killed me:
> 
> X GWM X
> 
> Boy, was he cute, too!

I saw a great one on Guerrero yesterday (where else?) that said

        O PUHLEZ

Fabulous.

                                      Bob
From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: A New Boom and Bust Theory
Date: 31 Jul 92 06:00:56 GMT
 <l7djdvINN8j3@mizar.usc.edu> <brest@vadier.gr.osf.org>
Organization: University of Maine System

well, as a posessor of eminently huge breasts, i found it funny.
and it was germane to another thread...  i just hope that my
breasts are not what is keeping the republicans in office!!!

                                    -ailsa
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: I HATE GAY MEN.
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:59:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.132630.28064@watson.ibm.com> jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
>dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer):
>>>the essay was extremely slanted and one-dimensional, but
>>>there was a lot in it that i identified with.
>> Yeah, but the difference is that I don't give a fuck
>> about what these other people do.  I especially wouldn't
>> whine about it.  It's hard to piss and moan about pissy
>> queens without getting yourself wet in the process.
>well then, there's no need for you to enter a discussion,
>now is there?  looks like the problem is solved, honcho.

I think that not only have you missed my point, but that you're all wet.

>i have a hard time believing you're a member of the target
>group anyway.  unless, of course, you go to the gym 3-5
>times a week, go dancing until 8am in the morning every
>weekend, "stoned" on Extasy, shirt removed to reveal
>rippling muscles.  of course, i *have* been wrong in the
>past, but i envision you in this lifestyle about as much
>as i envision Billy The Kid wasting nights with Nintendo's
>"Throwdown At The OK Corral."  :-)

Well, I'm not, but my "inner fag" is.

Of course I'm not a member of these "target groups".  Even people who
might match some of them aren't.  But we are part of the gay
community.  This guy identified those things he doesn't like about
people, and then defined them as being attributes of his "community".
What's so particularly ironic is that this bitch session of his is an
exemplar of what is so unattractive about the people he's complaining
about.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM (Howard Solomon - SunExpress Support Engineer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Thought for the Day
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:50:49 GMT
Reply-To: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: the-temple.east.sun.com

In article 92381@bu.edu, kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
> Why do I never see any male-male couples in professional figure skating
> competition?
> 
> Brian.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> kane@{buast7,astro}.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) Astronomy Dept, Boston University,
> Boston, MA 02215. True personal salvation is achieved by absolute faith in
> oneself.
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Because they desire the limelight of skating alone:-)  Most of the skaters are indeed
family.


---
========================================================================
Howard I. Solomon			|ELECTION '92
Software Support Engineer, SunExpress	|Hold your nose and vote for Bill!
his@east.sun.com			|
=========================================================================
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
From: orr@newton.mcs.gvsu.edu (Wes Orr {Academic Computing})
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: roommate & info. on log cabin association
Date: 25 Jul 92 16:34:36 GMT
Distribution: soc.motss, soc.bi, gaynet
Organization: Grand Valley State University, Allendale MI

Hi, I am interested in finding a roommate or a place to live for
my lover in Detroit.  He is looking for something on the east-side
or other decent areas within the city limits.  His price range is
up to 300-400 dollars a month per person.  He is a nice guy who
would be fun to have as a roommmate.

You can call him or I at:

(616) 791-4762
(616) 895-5441
Ask for Wes or Leon.

In addition, I am interested in the group called the Log Cabin Federation (?).
It is a gay Republican group and is a national organization.  If anyone 
has any info. on this I would really appreciate it.

Wes J. Orr

-- 
Wes Orr, Dude
GVSU
orr@newton.mcs.gvsu.edu           I love Bugs Bunny!
--------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: the b-word
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 18:56:22 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch):
> jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) wrote: 
> ->private, get down on your knees and give me 50! 
> 
> even if those are centimeters, that's still a lot.

why do you think i made *him* get on his knees?

> ever been called a "size queen" before? :)

ok, private henry!  you get on YOUR knees too! :-)

sgt. jake, militant homo

-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: RFD: Still in print?
Reply-To: shore@tc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:40:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.205017.27656@csrd.uiuc.edu>, hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu) writes:
> kumagic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Stephen R. Figgins) writes:
> >Is RFD still in publication?  
  
> Yes.
  
> A new issue is being worked on by a group of Chicago Faeries. (No, I'm
> not one of them, I just ummm know a few of them.)

I thought RFD was for rural gay men?
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Xref: sparky soc.motss:32190 talk.politics.misc:35367 alt.individualism:4436 alt.activism:13291
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:08:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Jul22.220842.27283
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Jul22.202834.16597@pony.Ingres.COM> rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner) writes:
>In article <nkghems@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>>libertarianism would give white heterosexual males the freedom to return
>>to the exploitive days of the past.
>
>This has nothing to do with race, gender, sexuality.  It is becoming rather
>typical that this particular group is blamed for anything bad that
>was/is/will-be.

"This particular group" is generally the group who has never
experienced any kind of institutionalized discrimination, and therefore
might find it difficult to imagine what would be wrong with
laissez-faire discrimination, since the concept is so intangible to
them.  Ignorance of history and the record of how large groups of
people have been oppressed systematically helps make such a social
theory plausible, too, not to mention a rejection of some 50 years of
legal precedent.

I find it hard to believe that anyone (not necessarily you, rogerl)
could reflect on the racism in America up thru the 1940's and claim
with a straight face that we'd all be better off if the court cases
and civil rights laws since that time had not occurred.  Dare I ask
someone to elaborate on this?  Would we be where we are today (which
ain't as good as it could be) if laws and courts didn't take a large
majority of the population kicking and screaming out of a mindset of
"separate but equal"?  What exactly are people arguing for when
they make such claims?   Few of these proponents are traditional
bigots.  Who'd be sitting next to you at the Woolworth's counter
today?  And would it matter to you?

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jon@Turing.ORG (Jon Gefaell (KD4CQY))
Subject: Re: Editor-in-Chief of THE ADVOCATE Resigns!
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:12:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.113003.19368@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
>In article <p7yxyn#@rpi.edu> buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>>
>>
>>The Los Angeles Times reported on Friday that Richard Rouillard,
>>Editor-in-Chief of THE ADVOCATE, the national gay and lesbian bi-weekly,
>>had stunned staffers by resigning on Thursday July 23.
>>
>>No reason was given. Anyone hear about this and have any inside dish?
>
>He will probably take over where Tina Brown left off in Vanity Fair
>(giggle).  I'll see if I can reach him. It may just be because he was
>tired of an incompetent staff (he has had tremendous problems), that
>their plans to go international were squelched by the board of
>directors (it was supposed to have happened a year ago) or "Freedom
>Publications" is going under. He's quite a nice guy, and great for
>unpublishable gossip that came through the offices.


In Charlottesville, Virginia the only store to carry The Advocate is the
University Bookstore. Luckily, both the student union and the bookstore are
among my primary responsibilities (in Computing and Communications) so I
get there often and pick up the magazine whenever a new one comes out.

Problem is, after the k.d. lang issue, the first of the new perfect bound
format they stopped coming. I figured 'shit happens' and decided to wait 
a little while, then I started making noises. They said that they used to
get it directly from the publisher, but had changed to a new distributor
and would resume selling the magazine shortly. Well, after another issue
didn't come I asked what was going on. They said surely they will be here
next week. Then I called the distributor they said would be supplying the
magazine and they said they hadn't carried it since 12/91 and would not
be carrying it again.

Can anyone put me onto a distributor of The Advocate? Thanks....

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Tom Christiansen <tchrist@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: Engineer bashing
Originator: tchrist@pixel.convex.com
Reply-To: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
Organization: CONVEX Realtime Development, Colorado Springs, CO
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:16:44 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

From the keyboard of msp@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Michael S. Pettersen):
:Steve Dyer wrote:
:> Colleges which teach humanities on a level higher than "basketweaving"
:> are generally thought to be _good_ places.  What's your problem with it?
:
:In general, the broader the range of a person's tastes, the better.  On the 
:other hand, if some natural scientists don't like the humanities, and some 
:social scientists don't like the nat scis, then it doesn't really seem to 
:me that you make them better people by forcing them to take classes which 
:are wasted on them.  Liberal arts shouldn't be forced on those for whom it 
:is unsuitable.

If our high schools did their jobs, then everyone would have the equivalent
of an associates degree in liberal arts, and then they could do what they
wanted for university pursuits.  But they don't get it, so we make up with
by having core curricula.

Specialization is for insects.

--tom
-- 
    Tom Christiansen      tchrist@convex.com      convex!tchrist

Never try to outstubborn a cat.
                -- Lazarus Long, "Time Enough for Love"
From: harris@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: We *do* recruit after all!
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:23:51 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

The girl I met at nerd-camp in eighth grade and whom I consequently
decided I was in love with, told me her deep dark secret: she thought
she was a lesbian.  I told her that at one point I thought I was gay.

"But," I said, "since we have this going for each other, we must be
straight, or at least bi."

Hmmmm.  I imagine she'll be going to college next month.  Any dykes in
Denton, Texas willing to help me get up with her and find out before
then?

Trey Harris
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cchen@jarthur.claremont.edu (none of your business)
Subject: Re: Why?
Summary: Unfortunate perspective
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:15:38 GMT


  (I'm new at posting, so please forgive any misconducts.)

  Unfortunately, this is not going to be a pleasant encouragement.
I remember reading a couple of weeks ago about the BofA, Wells Fargo, and
Levi controversy in a Chinese newspaper.  There just seems to be more
support for the boy scouts' bigotry than protest.  The newspaper article
encouraged concerned Chinese residents of the Bay area to protest the cut in
funding by the three companies.  It stated that the boy scouts need support
because they ensure "family values" and "good moral character."  Although
the Chinese community is small, a view like that can still damage the gay
cause.  The article may even represent the views of most Asian communities.
Sometimes the majority just does not tolerate those that are different.
Sigh.

-- cchen@jarthur.claremont.edu
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: the b-word
Date: 25 Jul 92 19:30:34 GMT

twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>In article <711750113@macbeth.cs.duke.edu> kirk@cs.duke.edu (Scooter Corleone) writes:

>>(And education is important;
>>just this morning in the paper I saw a plea from a Peace Corps-type group
>>that's trying to promote contraception education among islanders in the
>>Pacific. The group was requesting dildos since the islanders were confused
>>by simulations, and thought that they were supposed to actually put condoms
>>on bananas or corncobs before they engaged in sex.) 

>So why are they asking for dildos, I wonder?  Won't they just have
>people putting condoms on dildos before having sex?

Not a bad idea really - if you ask me :-)  And if they reuse the corncobs and
bananas they really should be using condoms.  Anway latex makes vegetables so
much more comfortable :-)  

I wish my education on contraception had given me as many hints on dildo usage.


Iseult.




Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Gaynet, Mailing Lists, et
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 21:30:08 GMT

In article <579.579.uupcb@matrix.sbs.com> eric.hunt@matrix.sbs.com (Eric Hunt) writes:
>RBK>(b) It's a digest, which makes it difficult for me to save specific message
>
>Digests aren't a big problem for me. There is bursting software out
>there that will break them up.

Not with one click of an XMH button.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cedman@714-725-3165.nts.uci.edu (Carl Edman)
Subject: Re: Gayspace
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
Reply-To: cedman@golem.ps.uci.edu (Carl Edman)
Date: 28 Jul 92 07:04:41 GMT

Nelson Minar writes
> In article <2A733D51.5586@noiro.acs.uci.edu> it is written:
> >Just out of curiosity, you might be able to answer my question.
> 
> Just out of curiosity, do you understand the event Arne was
> describing? (for that matter, do you understand the motivation of
> the crosspost?)

No, quite frankly I plead ignorance to the rather bizarre cross-post. In any  
case the issue of this thread has been government funding for political  
purposes for which I think the groups are reasonably well chosen.

> >Consider a hypothetical city 35% of the population of which oppose
> >abortion want to see it banned. 
> 
> why? Are you claiming this analogy has any basis in reality? "35%"
> and "abortion" don't exactly apply to West Hollywood and gay rights.

Well, I called it a hypothetical which means that I don't consider it to be  
reality and I just used figures from the post which I responded to. If these  
figures are wrong, please enlighten me.

> >Would you consider it proper and appropriate use of the taxpayers
> >funds of that city if it decided to build a monument to Operation
> >Rescue protests at a local abortion clinic?
> 
> Again, why is this an interesting question? Municipal funds are not
> paying for the monument.

They are not ? The original post said that the city government had approved a  
monument for the protest against AB 101. Is this not correct ?

> >Also, would you consider it appropriate and tolerant if any citizen
> >of that city told anybody else who criticized that monument "Fuck
> >you!" and "Move somewhere else if you don't like it here!"?
> 
> Rejoinders such as "fuck you" and "move somewhere else" serve little
> rational purpose, I agree. They serve a very useful emotional purpose,
> though. 

Well, so does running around shouting "faggot" and beating up homosexuals. I  
wouldn't (and I assume neither would you)  consider that an excuse. Just  
because it feels good for some people to say or do bigoted or merely crude  
things doesn't remove their responsibility for their words or actions.

	Carl Edman
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: There was this sign in the window...
Keywords: @$#!% NewsWatcher bug...
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:17:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.205636.24829@tc.cornell.edu> shore@tc.cornell.edu writes:

>The correct response to unwanted sexual
>advances is *not* to stick a sign in a window announcing
>your sexual orientation to all and sundry - the sign-in-
>the-window response is clearly an answer to some other
>question.  Presumably that question is "are you gay?,"

It certainly wasn't "would you like a Cheez Doodle?"

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You mean there are TWO of you, Pierce?
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  God help us all."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Major Charles Emerson Winchester III
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: British pronunciation (was: Spanish spelling)
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:38:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.121441.1151@guvax.georgetown.edu> drobinson@guvax.georgetown.edu writes:

>There actually is an English family name, Clitterhouse, and you'd 
>better believe that it's pronounced CLITterhouse.

Well, we all liked the one a European Studies major pointed out.  A
street (in London?) which was at one point frequented by prostitutes
and was, until officially renamed, known as Gropecunt Lane.

The English may be uptight, but they certainly know how to say what
they mean.  :-)

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You mean there are TWO of you, Pierce?
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  God help us all."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Major Charles Emerson Winchester III
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: The sexiest man on TV
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:30:01 GMT


In article <91649@bu.edu>, kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
|> In article <17087@autodesk.COM> booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards) writes:
|> 
|> >I heard that ["Star Trek: The Next Generation" 's Patrick] Stewart is
|> >straight.
|> 
|> I heard differently. Supposedly Stewart, Michael Dorn, and Levar Burton are
                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> all gay.

I'd settle for mostly or even partly gay for this one.

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
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