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From: cgy@cs.brown.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Critics
Date: 7 Apr 1992 19:02:41 GMT
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: swamp.cs.brown.edu

In article <1992Apr7.182930.7890@u.washington.edu> gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....) writes:
>In article <ku3krdINN8bf@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> cgy@cs.brown.edu (Curtis Yarvin) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr7.155011.2358@u.washington.edu> gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....) writes:
>>|	But the problem is that, under ANY system, artists are going to have
>>|spend time being amateur bureaucrats.
>>|If it isn't cultivating donors, it's spending time marketing, promoting and
>>|publicizing.
>>
>>There's a fundamental ethical difference
>>between trying to convince a bureaucrat who has (gasp) stolen someone else's
>>money to give it to you, and trying to persuade people that your show's a
>>lot of fun and they should go see it.
>
>The same techniques apply in fundraising,
>no matter who you approach.  And the same in marketing.

That word was "ethical."  Maybe I should have repeated it twice?

Look: I'll be frank.  When I was born my parents were on welfare.  My father
works for the government, my mother works for a government contractor.
Stolen money has put me through everything from kindergarten to college.
For the next five years I'll be a graduate student at a public university,
and most likely get my suck off NSF grants.  I'm no rose.  It's in my own
self-interest to support NSF funding; it's in your self-interest to support
NEA funding.  All I ask is that you understand the moral implications of
what you're doing.

c
From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (wayne)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: ARRRRRRRRRRRRGGHHHH!
Keywords: ARRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHH!
Date: 12 Apr 92 23:15:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: rigel.1992Apr12.231523.3942
Distribution: na
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <45011@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> nesiusra@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Rob) writes:
>
>For how many more weeks are you guys going to tell us 
>that Asimov is dead??
>I realize that there is often a delay between the poster
>posting an article and my server receiving it, but this much
>of one?  I highly doubt it!

   It is annoying.  And that delay is exactly why the USENET consensus
   is that posting is not the way to pass on news as it breaks.

   However, it seemed to me that this was different.  A lot of people
   who may not have been Asimov freaks or feel confident or desirious
   of writing an eloquent elegy still feel a sense of loss, and want
   to share it with a group of people many of whom feel the same
   way.  I could tolerate that.  

   Anyway, prepare to continue seeing these "timely" news flashes for
   the next few weeks.

   wayne
From: solaris@cats.ucsc.edu (Sheree Lynn Kibby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Eddings-Seeress of Kell on paperback
Date: 16 Apr 92 05:48:01 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz


>   Yes! I finally found it in my local bookstore. The end of the series was a
> bit of a let down. Something like "Sure Dave, string me along for 10 years and
> then make all the important people unimportant and make me not care about the
> end." Any comments?


The book was actually a let down, but it was really good to finish the series.

Anyone read the Elenium series?  If so what are your feelings about it.  What
about character devlopement in comparison to the Mallorean?  I enjoyed the
series. Although it was hard to acknowledge the characters at first - after
10 books of the other characters :).

Does anyone know anything about the Tamuli series at all either?  How many books
will be in the series...any rumors at all as to release time etc. ?

Thanks.
Sheree
solaris@cats.UCSC.edu
UC Santa Cruz
From: neufeld@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Christopher Neufeld)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: SF about doing science ?
Date: 10 Apr 92 05:11:54 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA

In article <doom.702690387@elaine5.Stanford.EDU> doom@elaine5.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Brenner) writes:
>Someone on rec.arts.books was asking about fiction about
>scientists, excluding SF, (probably for obvious reasons).
>
>I want to ask here for recommendations for "science" fiction
>stories that are actually about the social process of doing
>science, as opposed to engineering (or psuedo-scientific
>magic or mysticism, for that matter).   
>
   I'm reading John Cramer's _Twistor_ right now, and I'm loving it. The
principle characters are experimental condensed matter physicists, as I
am, and not a page goes by that I don't laugh and think about how
accurately he has represented the fun and frustration of the lab. I never
thought I'd see Apiezon black mentioned in a novel. I'm going to be
passing this book around the lab for months after I finish it (I run a
little SF lending library out of my office).


-- 
 Christopher Neufeld....Just a graduate student  | alien: n. a being who
 neufeld@helios.physics.utoronto.ca    Ad astra  | travels great distances
 cneufeld@terranet.cts.com                       | to molest our cattle
 "Don't edit reality for the sake of simplicity" | and trample our grain
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From: cash@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (john.i.mccash)
Subject: Re: Elspeth (Mercedes Lackey)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:32:35 GMT

>On a related topic, if the Companians are Guardian Spirits, like the
>Shin'a'in equivalent, where do they come from?  They are Sword-Sworn who
>have been dead for at least a century, but what about the Companions?  It
>seems terribly unlikely that they are dead Heralds 8-).
>

I wouldn't discount this possibility too quickly.  Or at least not the
possibility that they may be dead Herald-Mages. If you look near the end
of By_The_Sword you'll notice that the names of some new companions bear
a close resemblance to the names of some deceased Herald-Mages. I'm
straining to remember, but I think that one of them was a close variant of
the name of Vanyels teacher. The origionals may be something else though,
or is my memory playing tricks on me when I think that the first companions
were created right after an event where some very good people were killed?
							Just my two cents
									John
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From: mute@yoyodyne (Joshua Thompson Brandt)
Subject: Re: _Postman_ Movie!
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:30:51 GMT


This could be cool, if done well...

Does anyone know if the movie will be set in the same locations as the book?
I remember reading it and recognizing the campus of the University of
Oregon, and, in fact, the exact street, gymnasium, and dorm described.

Josh Brandt


-- 
                             And there's nothing good on TV   Don't
                       Nothing but carrot sticks and celery   Panic
                                         - mute@wpi.wpi.edu   Joshua Brandt -
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From: jgreen@zeus.calpoly.edu (James T. Green)
Subject: Re: humorous science fiction
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 09:37:18 GMT

I just started reading this thread, so I don't know if this has
been mentioned yet, but "The Flying Sorcerers" by Larry Niven
and David Gerrold (of The Trobble W/Tribbles Fame) is one of the
best humor I have ever read.  I would call it a classic.

/~~~(-: James T. Green :-)~~~~(-: jgreen@eros.calpoly.edu :-)~~~\ 
|                                                               |
|    Slogans of two generations:  1972:  Question Authority!    |
|                                 1992:  Why Ask Why?           |
From: nathans@coos.dartmouth.edu (Nathan Shafer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: SF about science
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:59:01 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <s4n19INN1un@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> cgy@cs.brown.edu (Curtis Yarvin) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.094502.16356@leland.Stanford.EDU> doom@leland.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Brenner) writes:
>>I don't know how I forgot about "the Beautitiful and the
>>Sublime".
>
>This is my favorite Freudian slit of the week.
                              ^^^^

You were saying? :-)

Nathan Shafer
Dartmouth College, NH
From: snoopy@brchh529.BNR.CA (Antonio Tello)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: $$$$$ DUNE SERIES $$$$$
Keywords: HELP
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:01:02 GMT
Reply-To: snoopy@brchh529.BNR.CA (Antonio Tello)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <1992Mar24.163201.22166@zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu>,
edgar@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gerald Edgar) writes:
|>In article <1992Mar24.153933.1346@and.csc.liv.ac.uk>
scst74@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mr. D.W.F. Liu) writes:
|>>Hi there,
|>>	I recently read the DUNE series and am wondering whether there is going
|>>to be a seventh novel in the series.  Anyone know?
|>
|>I assume you know that Frank Herbert died?  So what do you suggest:
|>
|>(1) A medium takes Frank's dictation from the next world.
|>
|>(2) Another writer takes up the story.  Brian Herbert????????? (please, no)
|>--

Hey if L.Ron Hubbard can do it...
               
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From: cumming@PICA.ARMY.MIL ("Robert C. Cumming", PEO)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Yet Another Alternate History....
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:49:52 GMT

While reading through the Alternate History list in the SF Lovers' archives
another possible addition to the list of "might have been" publications
occurred to me.  Admittedly, it's a rather offbeat one, and one written
primarily as rather biting satire, but here goes.

Some years ago, the National Lampoon published an entire issue based upon the
premise that John F. Kennedy was not shot and killed in Dallas but survived
to become the more-or-less permanent President.  The idea was developed
throughout the magazine in a series of spurious articles which, among other
things, had Kennedy withdrawing from Vietnam in the early 60's and fighting
a war with England to free Northern Ireland from their rule.  The articles
went on to essentially turn the protest and anti-war movement then current
completely around, i.e. rich old WASPs protesting the war while the young
and hip supported it.  I probably threw the issue of the magazine away
years ago, but does anyone else remember this issue of the Lampoon?  Any
comments on whether it would qualify as alternate history?

Regards,

Bob
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From: markrose@spss.com (Mark Rosenfelder)
Subject: Re: Uncritical thought (was: Unintelligentsia (was: Re: Spider...))
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 23:12:29 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

In article <1992Apr6.154710.3771@pbhyc.PacBell.COM> djdaneh@PacBell.COM 
(Dan'l DanehyOakes) writes:
>They are indeed.  And you are clinging to an idealized, and historically
>false, past in which the "fine" arts in some way reflected "common
>experience" -- which really means the experience of a non-alienated
>person in the mainstream of (white, patriarchal) culture.  There have
>been artists -- commercial artists -- who have done this at all times.
>There have _never_, despite Aristotle's pronunciamenti to the contrary,
>been "fine" artists who did.

This paragraph is hard to parse, but it sounds like you're saying no
great artists have ever fit within the system.  Would you really maintain
this of Virgil, Corneille, Shakespeare, Trollope, Milton (under Cromwell),
Jane Austen, Ariosto, Chaucer, Donne, and Lope de Vega?  If these folks
were alienated, everybody is alienated.

Or are you saying that because artists tend to rebel against the mainstream,
Western art does *not* in general reflect a "white, patriarchal" point of
view?  Boy, that's a relief!

If you want to make the lesser claim that there were "alienated" artists
in every time period, go ahead.

>. . . well, in fact, you generally see that the "fine" arts (a term devised
>specifically to exclude the homely, which in this culture have tended to
>be the female, arts) have a tendency toward the extremes -- both left and 
>right -- of the spectrum.  

Here I agree with you.  People who disapprove of the current system rail
against it.  People who approve of it rail against those they think are 
ruining it.  Everybody likes to feel like they're surrounded by enemies.
From: arends@Metaphor.COM (Dale M. Arends)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Asimov dead
Keywords: Asimov dead
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:11:49 GMT
Reply-To: arends@Metaphor.COM (Dale M. Arends)
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written
Organization: m4


	Issac Asimov has died at the age of 72.  A most prolific writer
	in science (fact and fiction), mystery, cookbooks, philosophy,
	humor,...

	His wit and wisdom will be missed.
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dale M. Arends                    arends@Yosemite.Metaphor.com
Metaphor Computer Systems, Inc.   ...!uunet!metaphor!yosemite!arends

Any opinions expressed herein are my own and not those of my employer.  They
probably aren't interested and maybe don't agree and therefore ...
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From: cm325d19@socrates.umd.edu (cm325d19)
Subject: Re: Steven Brust
Keywords: Steven Brust
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:54:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr06.142928.4861@onetouch.COM> csmith@onetouch.COM (Craig Smith) writes:
>I feel bad about his breakup with Cawti, as well as his self-imposed
>exile.  And will the Jhereg leave his grandfather in peace?

Possibly,  when Morrolan said goodbye to Vlad he mentioned that he would
look after his grandfather.  Given that Morrolan is close friends with 
the Empress, and weilds Blackwand the 'infantry battalion disgised as
a Morganti sword', the Jhereg might think twice about hitting a harmless
old man out of spite.  Particularly one that is getting out of town.

--
Covert Beach
cm325d19@socrates.umd.edu

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From: jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll)
Subject: Re: Vonda N. McIntyre
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:21:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.175025.5514@vax.oxford.ac.uk> warda@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

	RE Vonda McIntyre, who is (or at least *was*) on the net and could 
very well be reading this

>I personally came to Vonda through _Dreamsnake_, which I still reckon is her 
>best work, for what that's worth.  There's a novella and a full novel version 
>kicking around.  The novella may have won a Nebula, I'm not sure.  
>Essentially, a healer wanders a post-apocalyptic landscape with her three 
>genetically-engineered snakes (Grass, Mist and Dream if I remember rightly).  
>The snakes bite a diseased person, and then manufacture an anti-disease shot 
>in response to the patient's infected blood.  Sounds stupid, I know, but the 
>central character is very well portrayed - I half fell in love with her as a 
>teenager. 
>
> _The Exile Waiting_, her first novel, disappointed me. _Aztecs_, the short
>story that _Superluminal_ was based on, I enjoyed far more than the novel.  I
>don't know if she's been writing original stuff recently, I've only seen her
>name on the covers of Star Trek novels (I think).  How are the mighty
>fallen..... 

	Perhaps she likes eating regularly. SF writers have done many things
to keep the wolves at bay, like flak-work for cigarette companies. ST novels
are scarcely the worst depth someone could sink to.

	Besides, her versions of the movies always make more sense than
the movies themselves...

								James Nicoll
From: eric@snark.thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Adventures of Miles Vorkosigan
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:29:46 GMT

In <57106@cup.portal.com> Stephen R Fleming wrote:
> Shards of Honor
> Barrayar
> The Warrior's Apprentice
> The Vor Game
> Borders of Infinity
> Brothers in Arms
>
> Great stuff, aren't they?

Indeed.  The very best military SF going; although it's almost unfair to
describe them that way because the genre is normally so crude and limiting (as
well describe "Huckleberry Finn" as a "juvenile adventure story").  Even if
you think you could never enjoy anything in that subgenre, try these.  They're
wonderful.

I recommend the following order for reading them:

The Warrior's Apprentice
The Vor Game
Borders of Infinity
Brothers in Arms
Shards of Honor
Barrayar

"Shards" and "Barrayar" stand on their own but you'll enjoy them more *after*
reading about Miles than *before* --- they're about his parents.
-- 
      Eric S. Raymond = eric@snark.thyrsus.com  (mad mastermind of TMN-Netnews)
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From: bell@spock.ecs.umass.edu (Shane L Bell)
Subject: Re: Irish/Celtic Fantasy
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 05:05:09 GMT

In article <al.702856151@iris> al@iris.claremont.edu (crispy derson the wearer of wigs) writes:
>I am looking for recommendations for fantasy books based on (heavily or not
>so) Celtic/Irish myth.  This could include re-tellings of classic myth/legend/
>fairy tales, or just books in an Irish vein.  I've heard _The Book Of Kells_
>by R. A. MacAvoy (sp?) is a good place to start; any suggestions?
>
>Thanks!
>-- 
>="Why do witches burn?"                                 |Michael L. Medlin    =
>="We carry your guns, deep within our hearts,           |al@iris.claremont.edu=
>= For no better reason than our lives have no meaning   |Spik and Span        =
>= And we want to be on television" -Camper Van Beethoven|It's the master plan =



	Try various trilogies by Kenneth C. Flint.

			-- Shane L. Bell
From: Laurie Mann
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Isaac Asimov Dies...
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:36:47 GMT
Reply-To: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com

Isaac Asimov died this morning, and though I'd only ever met him
casually, and wasn't the biggest fan of his writing, I feel 
like a relative or friend has died.

I think what made Isaac special was the way he explained things---
science, math, history, literature, the future.  He could
simplify fairly complicated concepts.  

I particularly enjoyed Isaac's robot stories, and think The
Bincentennial Man was one of his best.

I'll miss his essays, and I think he had a bigger impact on the
field than is fashionable for many people to admit today.

* NeXT: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  GEnie,AOL: Laurie.Mann *
***    I guess we all have to fall apart a little, once in    ***
***   a while, in order to rebuild our dreams.  Tappan King   ***
From: jhh@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu (Jim Horne)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: SF about doing science ?
Keywords: Don't read _Twistor_
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:23:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsbcsl.4160
Reply-To: jhh@cosmic.physics.ucsb.edu
Organization: UCSB Physics Department

In article <1992Apr10.051154.8248@helios.physics.utoronto.ca>, neufeld@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Christopher Neufeld) writes:
|>In article <doom.702690387@elaine5.Stanford.EDU> doom@elaine5.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Brenner) writes:
|>>Someone on rec.arts.books was asking about fiction about
|>>scientists, excluding SF, (probably for obvious reasons).
|>>
|>>I want to ask here for recommendations for "science" fiction
|>>stories that are actually about the social process of doing
|>>science, as opposed to engineering (or psuedo-scientific
|>>magic or mysticism, for that matter).   
|>>
|>   I'm reading John Cramer's _Twistor_ right now, and I'm loving it.

Well, I tried to read Cramer's _Twistor_ over the weekend, and hated
it. My dislike probably arises from actually being in the field, so
the errors were quite jarring.

For one thing, many of the science details were just plain wrong.  It
is quite distressing seeing such major mistakes from a real physicist.
He must not attend too many department colloquims.  For example, you
don't use x-ray lasers to figure out the arrangement of atoms on the
surface of graphite, you use scanning tunneling microscopes or atomic
force microscope. For another thing, no one calls them warm
superconductors, they're called high T_c superconductors. The entire
"holospin" argument was utter garbage. Has Cramer forgotten his basic
wave mechanics? No one would give up a faculty job to take a second
postdoc, like the main character did. I could go on and on, with
about one major error every ten pages.

The errors were coming at such a fast and furious pace that I gave
up and quit by page 100, and just skipped to the end, where I found
out that the whole premise was even worse.

Thus, the feel may be right, but the details are all wrong.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
          Jim Horne     jhh@cosmic.physics.ucsb.edu
                                       
	     "Mars is somewhat the same distance from the sun, which is
	     very important.  We have seen pictures where there are
	     canals, we believe, and water.  If there is water, there
	     is oxygen.  If oxygen, that means we can breathe."
                                             Dan Quayle, August 11, 1989
From: norbeck@castor.cs.bucknell.edu (nancy norbeck `93)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Asimov's Editorials--Is there a collection?
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:45:22 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, Pa.


A few years ago I had a subscription to Asimov's SF magazine, and my
favorite almost without fail proved to be his editorials.  As someone
else pointed out, there was just such an insight in them, not only
into the "man behind the typewriter" but into whatever his topic was
in that particular issue.

Does anyone know if anyone has ever put them all together into a
collected form, or if there are any plans to do so?  There really are
some gems in there that I'd love to have...


Please email, I may not get a chance to check this group again for a
while.


Thanks much...

Nancy Norbeck
norbeck@coral.bucknell.edu  (<---please use this address, not the one above!)
--
	"You'd think they'd dust this [food] before they serve it."
			--Hawkeye Pierce
		  "And remove all the flavor?"
			--Father Mulcahey
From: rskirsky@athena.qualcomm.com (Ray Skirsky)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: SF about doing science ?
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:17:51 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

In article <doom.702690387@elaine5.Stanford.EDU>
             doom@elaine5.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Brenner) writes:

>I want to ask here for recommendations for "science" fiction
>stories that are actually about the social process of doing
>science, as opposed to engineering (or psuedo-scientific
>magic or mysticism, for that matter).   

If you would accept non-fiction, I highly recommend James Watson's "The
Double Helix," an account of the discovery of the structure of DNA.

Ray Skirsky
RSkirsky@Qualcomm.com
From: mikey%oscar.dnet@GTE.COM (Mike Hatz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Tolkien Fanzines/Clubs
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:04:20 GMT

Can someone please post a list or mail me a list of Tolkien related fanzines/clubs?  
Thanks a lot!

==============================
^^	 Mike Hatz	    ^^
^^Colorado Springs, Colorado^^
^^ mikey%venus.dnet@GTE.COM ^^
==============================


Please ignore my request for Tolien related stuff! ;-{  seriously embarassed!
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