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From: samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Indian Recipes...Wanted...(long)
Date: 7 Sep 92 21:47:56 GMT
Reply-To: samaddar@siemens.com
Followup-To: soc.culture.bangladesh

In article <11550001@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> garyt@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Gary Thomas) writes:

>::spelling, at least in the cookboks that I have seen).  True paneer
>::is usually homemade, bringing whole milk to a boil, adding an agent
>::such as lemon juice to the hot milk to cause it to curdle, and then

One can substitute white vinegar for lemon juice. You need a much smaller
amount.

Sumitro
From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Travel Agents
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 23:54:56 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa
  <00960A11.DA97C660@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>

Question for folks travelling by PIA on transit in Karachi. Do they
treat people with Bangladeshi passports different from people
holding US ones?

My experience with Thai - efficient, food good (specially the
spicy curries), service in economy a little stiff towards people
of Subcontinent origin. The banks in Bangkok airport were
outright rude.

My experience with Biman on Bangkok - Dhaka sector, always late
food soggy (ran out of desi food, so got soggy fish and chips),
over-crowded, cabin crew harried, no control on smoking in
non-smoking sections.
I travelled on Biman 5 years ago, so I'm hoping from all the postings,
their in-flight service has improved. I do seem to remember good service
in the early late 70's early 80s.
From: umera@Msu.oscs.montana.edu (Ruhul Amin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Travel Agents
Date: 15 Sep 92 06:57:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: Msu.00960A11.DA97C660
Reply-To: umera@Msu.oscs.montana.edu (Ruhul Amin)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Montana State University

In article <1992Sep15.013609.773@ee.rochester.edu>, alam@ee.rochester.edu (Sheikh Kaisar Alam) writes:
>I'm planning to buy my ticket for Dhaka from one of the following
>agents. I'm going to go on one of the four airlines: Biman, Gulf
>Air, PIA, and Thai.
>If any of you dealt with any of these agents please send me info
>about your experience if you can. Please try harder if the exper-
>ience was a bad one. I don't want to miss that.
>
>1. Bengal Travels.
>2. Bangladesh Travels
>3. Balaka Travels
>4. Barnali Travels
>5. Central Travels
>6. Concord Travels
>7. Diamond Travel and Tours
>8. Future Travels
>9. Par Travels
>10. Pubali Travels
>11. Rekha Travels
>12. Sage Travels
>13. Seema Travels, NY
>14. Seema Travels, Missouri
>15. Syncom Travels
>16. Sunrise Travels
>17. Worldwide Travels
>18. Fly World Travels (Mr. Jafar)
>
>I'll put these info in the survey, too. I plan to keep updating
>it.
>
>Shuja

Bengal Travels:  Eight years ago I used Bengal Travel for the last time with
a promise to never use them again.  They never returned my call.  Each time 
I had to make the call.  My route was New York - London (TWA) and
London - Dhaka (Biman).  They claimed to confirm my seat all the way to Dhaka
and as such it was written on the ticket.  When I checked in  at the TWA 
counter at JFK, they told me that my seat from London to Dhaka by Biman was not
confirmed according to what was showing on the computer.  I tried  to call 
Bengal Travel from JFK without any luck.  Upon arrival at London, however,
I was able to manage a seat after a long sweet and sour talk with the renouned
Biman ground staff.  Please note, it was eight years ago.  I hope they have
changed by now.

Biman:  If you can survive the ground staff, they will treat you like king
once in the air. Good food also.  Flight delay -- getting better now a days.

PIA:  Worst part is at Karachi.  As a transit passeger, you have to stay
overnight.  Most scary part is that the immigration at Karachi airport 
keeps your passport and ticket without any receipt (good faith !).

THAI:  My experience on Thai is through pacific route.  
Flight schedule -- very much on time.
Food --  Eatable.
Cabin crew service -- They seem to have too much difficulty with smiling  
at you. On two seperate occasions I had hard time getting a cup of tea. 
Apparently they kept forgetting my request. 
On your way back to U.S.A., be prepared to go through rigorous checking of
your travel documents at Bangkok airport (of course for obvious reasons
in many cases).

-- Ruhul Amin
From: raza@ee.umr.edu (Md Ishfaqur Raza)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: dinner
Date: 13 Sep 92 18:10:05 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

In article <1992Sep12.174821.10101@sol.cs.wmich.edu> hossain@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Moazzem) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.220957.17145@umr.edu> raza@ee.umr.edu (Md Ishfaqur Raza) writes:
>>
>>
>>The only
>>consolation ,we did not have to pay too much tip, as the waitress was from
>>the subcontinent. 
>
>	Do I smell some racist remark here? Excuse me, Raza, if I am being too
>	critical on your personal feeling. But are you trying to imply that if
>	the waitress were not from subcontinent then you would have paid more
>	tips? If that is the case, isn't that racist? 

On the contrary. My point is that ,to me the whole continent is a whole big 
family. So from that point of view we can expect the warmth and understanding
that members of a big family would have for each other. So I can get of paying
less than the usual tip, which would have to be paid in a normal case. She
was not loosing that much and I was'nt  gaining much, just the thought is what
counts,  right ? 

And the information was given to be taken lightly, my intention was not to get
away cheating a soul.  
>
>--Moazzem
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: sikder@wam.umd.edu (Rezaur R. Sikder)
Subject: FREE............
Originator: sikder@rac1.wam.umd.edu
Keywords: Bangladeshis???
  If anyone reading this went to school in Greenherald and Maple Leaf International School in Dhaka, Bangladesh I woulkd really appreciate if you got in touch with me.  And.. if anyone went to school at MIT and/or Boston College in Massachusetts I would really appreciate if you got in touch with me.  And..and if anyone is at University of Maryland, I would appreciate if you got in touch with me..  Then again anyone who has a friendly personality.. do get in in touch with me.
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 17:49:13 GMT


Thanks for bearing with me so far.

Regards.. Rez
From: asadul@neko.ec.t.kanazawa-u.ac.jp (Asadul Huq)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: ham radio in Bangladesh
Date: 12 Sep 92 01:29:01 GMT
Organization: Kanazawa University Faculty of Technology, Kanazawa Japan
Originator: asadul@neko

Dear Netters,

Iam a student of Kanazawa University. Anyway, I am interested to know if 
anybody knows anything about Amateur Radio in Bangladesh. As far as I knew 
this popular hobby activity was not permitted in Bangladesh. But recently
I posted an article about this in rec.radio.amateur.misc and got some 
responces. One American amateur even told me that Bangladesh has already
permitted this hobby activity. He also provided me with 2 Bangladeshi
call signs that has been already in air. After this I posted an enquiry
in japan radio amateur internal newsgroup in Japanese with the help of 
one of my Japanese friends. Some responses came that they heard those 
callsigns talking in air. 

However, is anybody thereover who can give some idea?

Thanking you in advance.

Asadul Huq
Kanazawa University.
 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: mermmzh@engvms.unl.edu
Subject: Niaz beat the British Champ.
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:43:58 CST


In the 8th round of Lyod Bank International Chess tournament in
London, Bangladeshi grand master Niaz Murshed beat the present
British champion grand master Jamon. At this point of the
tournament Niaz is in third position with 6 points.


---Zakir
From: fahmed@dhaka.Eng.Sun.COM (Farhad Ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: DU campus....
Date: 8 Sep 1992 17:45:28 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: dhaka
Keywords: DU-> Dhaka University



	Assaalaamu-Waalaikum.

	DU is closed sine die followin' the death of two in a gun battle
	between the rival supporters of JCD(BNP). All the examinations
	'r expected tobe postponed due to the closer.

	Allah Hafez.

	Farhad Ahmed.
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From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Airlines, Travel Agents?
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 16:24:47 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa
  <1992Sep14.203415.9009@ee.rochester.edu>

I'd be interested in hearing experience of people going to Bangladesh
via PIA (Pray Inform Allah? :-). I'm not sure how efficient
international transit/transfer at Karachi is. My suspicion is
they treat non-desis better than desis. 

Also do you have to change terminals, go through customs, get harrassed
by officials over petty rules, etc.

Hassan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: srk4131@huxley.anu.edu.au (Shahriar R Khan)
Subject: Re: No Rhyme, No reason !!
Originator: srk4131@huxley
Organization: Australian National University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 08:26:31 GMT
From: was@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (wasif.sattar)
Subject: Another poem of Shamsur Rahman
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 04:58:41 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.bangladesh
Keywords: Translated by Kaiser Haq

SO MANY DAYS

One, two, three, the days go by,
I am gashed by their cold razor-edge.
One, two, three, the days go by,
Yet there's no sign of you.

You don't come and stand leaning against the doorframe
Or brushing back a wanton lock from the forehead
Ask , "And how are you? Won't you ever
Come again? See, Loneliness sportively proffers her beaker
And I drain it to the lees. My warm hands
Touch the bed, chair, wall, the sapling
In the courtyard, and everywhere meet
The absence of your dazzling body.

I stand facing the kris of despair,
Like a youth offering his breast to the oppresor's bayonet.
Without your visits this room is a tomb
Overgrown with wild grass
Where a desolate wind sings a ceaseless lament;
An ancient skeleton shouts bizarre slogans,
Busy  termites swarm among its ribs.

Whenever you step into this room, the old doorframe
Laughs merrily, on the instant the window-curtain
Turns into a nautch-girl; I grow happy as a birthday -
Flickering candle-light and the Moonlight Sonata
Unobtrusively transform all into a garden.
And when you leave, my heart is like
A crematory on a wintry evening.

=============================================================

I hope you enjoyed this poem. If you liked it there's more
where it came from. I will try to post some more in the
future.

Shubhechhante,
Wasif
From: dwright@metz.une.edu.au (Denis Wright)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Muslim refugees from Burma
Keywords: muslim, islam,refugees,burma,myanmar
Date: 13 Sep 92 23:41:28 GMT


I heard last night that 280 000 Burmese Muslims are
refusing to leave Bangladesh to be repatriated because
of grave fears for their safety upon return.

There have also been tensions between them and the local
people (which is hardly surprising!  I remember the same
sort of tensions, but for entirely different reasons, of 
course, at the Bihari camps in the 70s.)

'bye from Oz,

Denis.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.lebanon,soc.culture.filipino,soc.culture.magyar,soc.culture.soviet
From: rached@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rached Zantout)
Subject: Re: SUMMARY OF OLD PAGAN CULTS
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:57:22 GMT

Mr. Hayek
First, this is not Leb-Net, it is soc.culture.lebanon and as such it is a public
forum for discussing issues related to Lebanon. Part of the lebaneese people are
Christians and Jews and as such are defined in Islamic terms as "Ahl Al Kitab"
People of the book. The author of the initial article you have replied to, is
apparently interested in exposing the readership of this newsgroup, which
subscribes to the "People of the Book" group, to the teachings of Islam. He went
about the proper way of posting an article for INTERESTED people to read,
discuss. Any NON INTERESTED person can know easily from the subject what it deals
with and thus choose to ignore it or read it.
If you enjoy your way of life that was set forth by your ancestors, it is your
right. If you choose to close your eyes to everything that contradicts those
inherited values, that's also your right. But you do not have the right to sheild
others from being exposed to any other arguments (I know you didn't but your post
seemed to object posting religious articles on soc.culture.lebanon).

Finally, all what I got from your posting was that you objected to religious
articles on soc.culture.lebanon. Was that your goal ? or was there any other
messages that you wanted to make us understand ? This is refererring to the second
paragraph of your post.

rached
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar)
Subject: Rolling Stone
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:21:29 GMT


In the latest (I think) issue of Rolling Stone magazine, there is
an interview with Bill Clinton (I hate Clinton/Gore with a passion,
but I don't exactly like Bush/Quayle either so this post isn't a
political endorsement of any kind.  :-) ).

Anyway, in the interview, Mon sewer Clinton talks about the small 
banking system in Bangladesh (Graemen?) and how he feels that the
originator of the system should receive a Nobel Prize. He uses it
as an example of the type of program that he would like to implement
here. All well and good so far. However, there are sidebars to the
main interview in which the interviewers discuss their perceptions
of the interview and in at least one such article, an interviewer
uses extremely disparaging remarks about this concept. His words were
along the lines of: it's not enough that the economy is in a shambles
and there is high unemployment, but in emulating Bangladesh we can
now starve and be flooded too. [This is a poor paraphrase, please
read the original article for the exact words.] 

I found this attitude of "those people can't teach us anything" as
being extremely unenlightened. I would recommend that you all take
at least a quick glance at the article in question and maybe respond
[politely] with actual facts and figures about the banks. The man
did seem to have an understanding of how the banks function, so 
perhaps some real numbers would change his mind about possible good ideas
originating in Bangladesh.

Oh. But whatever you do, please don't endorse Clinton. (Yech! Ptooi!) :-)

-hd
The giving and taking of interest is still haram. :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: ibrahim@next16pg2.wam.umd.edu (Ibrahim Shafi)
Subject: sites in Bangladesh
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:59:13 GMT

I know of a mainframe in Bangledesh at BUET.  Does anyone know the address  
of this site?  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed)
Subject: Re: No Rhyme, No Reason
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 04:25:16 GMT


In article <1992Sep12.191154.7793@udel.edu>, kazi@dobie.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi) writes:

>    No Rhyme, No Reason
>    ------------------
> 
>    The silence is strange
>       In dear SCB
>    No flames or post
>       Do I at all see

[lines deleted]

>    Shakil is silent
>       Zunaid is quiet
>    They've stopped with the axioms
>       To prevent a riot


Some Rhyme, Some Reason
-----------------------

But Zunaid,
  How could you forget?
Our own Asif,
  Devil's advocate?

And where is Arindam
  With his message of love,
And where is Hasan
  To shoot down that dove?

What happened to Runa
  With her search for religion?
Some will still wonder
  If she's reached her decision...

Why did Shahriar
  Suddenly disappear?
Despite his sarcasm,
  We just did not fear...

Where are you Famin,
  Our SCB commentator?
Have you come to terms
  With that dreaded editor?
  
This should invite
  Discerning Denis to strike,
With eloquence and wit
  And diplomacy alike.
  
With the axioms
  Shakil may have paused,
After all the commotion
  They must have caused.

His own work
  Will keep him busy,
His advisor
  Doesn't make it easy.

The flaming he
  May currently have ceased,
To avoid being viewed
  As some kind of beast.

But read scb he still does,
  Please have no fear...
One of these days,
  He will reappear...



-- Shakil Ahmed
=======================================================================
Dept. of Computer Science     INTERNET: ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu
P.O. Box 2158, Yale Station   BITNET  : ahmed-shakil@yalecs.bitnet
New Haven, CT 06520-2158      UUCP    : {ucbvax,harvard,...}!yale!ahmed
=======================================================================

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: Z36Q000 <Z36Q@UNB.CA>
Subject: DU closing
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:01:50 GMT

please let us know more about DU closing
From: B.Kumar@cs.ucl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.poems.urdu
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:34:21 GMT


>CREATION of "rec.arts.poems.urdu"
>
>Charter:
>This group will serve the needs of all people within the Indian sub continent
>that have a interest in the Urdu Language and its rich poetry collections.

NOoooooooooooo! 

It is *NOT* required as soc.culture.pakistan is already there. The cultural
news groups are proper place to discuss literature. Moreover, Urdu hardly
has any literature worth separte discussion. To be more objective,
it does not have even 0.0000000000001 percent of literature compared to 
English, French and Russian to warrant a news group.

What "rich" poetry collection?. Other than mostly third rate shers  all of
those *obessively* talking about women and wine again and again and again...
till they make its reader sick. I would call its so called poetry of mentally 
retarded neurotic sexophiles who could not see any thing beyond wine and 
woman. What is there to discuss about such rubbish in a separate news group?

Poetry has much wider scope. It must have its style. Other than a single
"Gazal" style borrowed from Persian what is there in Urdus so called 
Poetry? Other than talking about *women and women and women* what does it 
talk about? It awefully lacks substance and style (just think of literature 
in Bangla to compare with, and you would know why Bangladeshi rightfully
insisted on Bangla being the national language of Pakistan).

>Will be a forum of discussion for Urdu ghazals and interpretations.
>
>Will be a forum to discuss the Urdu Language and its impact on arts within
>the subcontinent

Urdu has no impact on any langauge. It has borrowed its grammer and upto 75
percent vocabulary from Hindi and rest 25 percent from Arabic/Persian and 
Turkish. Its literture is miniscule and most is third rate cheap expressions 
of wanting to see a woman whom mostly muslim poets couldn't see because of 
traditional Islamic restrictions of keeping women behind doors in full
body covering clothes or Purdah. 

Forget it. If you need to discuss the poetry. You can discuss on SCP or SCI.

B. Kumar
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From: Z36Q000 <Z36Q@UNB.CA>
Subject: DU campus
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:51:48 GMT

I am interested to know more about DU closing. Thanx.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: hossain@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Moazzem)
Subject: Re: dinner
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:08:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.181005.7032@umr.edu> raza@ee.umr.edu (Md Ishfaqur Raza) writes:
>In article <1992Sep12.174821.10101@sol.cs.wmich.edu> hossain@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Moazzem) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep11.220957.17145@umr.edu> raza@ee.umr.edu (Md Ishfaqur Raza) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>The only
>>>consolation ,we did not have to pay too much tip, as the waitress was from
>>>the subcontinent. 
>>
>>	Do I smell some racist remark here? Excuse me, Raza, if I am being too
>>	critical on your personal feeling. But are you trying to imply that if
>>	the waitress were not from subcontinent then you would have paid more
>>	tips? If that is the case, isn't that racist? 
>
>On the contrary. My point is that ,to me the whole continent is a whole big 
>family. So from that point of view we can expect the warmth and understanding
>that members of a big family would have for each other. So I can get of paying
>less than the usual tip, which would have to be paid in a normal case. She
>was not loosing that much and I was'nt  gaining much, just the thought is what
>counts,  right ? 
>

	You meant to say subcontinent, right? (That's quite a big family, lots of 
	family values!) I am not sure what kind of
	warmth or understanding you are talking about. In your previous 
	posting, you said paying less tip was your only consolation, now 
	you are tell that you met a family member. Logically the later seems to be
	bigger consolation! 

	Whose thought are you referring to. Yours or hers? How can you say that 
	she was having the same feeling of meeting a family member as you had?

>And the information was given to be taken lightly, my intention was not to get
>away cheating a soul.  

	Well, I do not intend to make any comments on whether that was a cheating
	or not. Since you shared your feelings, experiences with the netters, I was 
	also trying to share my feelings on what you expressed on the net. 

---- Moazzem
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: banerj@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov ()
Subject: Re: Re: Indian Recipes...Wanted...(long)
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:06:13 GMT

In article <11550001@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> garyt@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Gary Thomas) writes:
>Another technique, somewhat less authentic but certainly much simpler,
>is to just buy ricotta cheese at any grocery store.  I can't think
>offhand what brand I usually get (it has a red and green label), but
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In the midwest, at least, Miceli's works better than others. The problem
with ricotta cheese vs. paneer seems to be that r.c. usually has a higher
moisture content. 

Amitava

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: chandan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Ikramuddin Ahmed)
Subject: Re: News
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Keywords: Thanks!
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:06:06 GMT
X-Posted-From: huey.cc.utexas.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

This is to thank Saif Ahmed (of Oberlin), Farhad Ahmed (of Sun Microsystems)
and others who are taking the pain of typing in news items from (or about)
Bangladesh on almost a regular basis.

We really appreciate it, although most of the times we're too lazy to express
it!

So please keep the fingers thomping while you can...:-)

IA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan