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From: Richard.Kooijman@dnpap.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman)
Subject: Re: Column Editor ??
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:48:34 GMT

les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) writes:

>In article <richard.727862762@dutepp13> Richard.Kooijman@dnpap.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman) writes:
>>les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
>>
>>>Wordperfect should work.  If you are creating the file from scratch you
>>>can build tables with the column widths you want, then move around in
>>>it like a spreadsheet.  You can also get the spacing you want with
>>>tab settings and/or column modes, where it might be easier to do
>>>moves of arbitrary rectangles.

>>Now WordPerfect doesn't really output ASCII, now does it?

>Sure, if you hit <ctl-F5> (dos text) and save.  You do have to be
>careful not to save to the same filename as you exit from WP
>(it will be remembered as the default choice).

See above, the use of tables was adviced. No way they will be
usable in DOS text format for other programs.


Richard.

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Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: nh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (nicholas.hounsome)
Subject: Re: A little question on vi
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:24:27 GMT

From article <1993Jan21.061448.25739@cdf.toronto.edu>, by g2chanhk@cdf.toronto.edu (Simon Ho Ki CHAN):
> 	Hi, is there anybody who knows how to put the EOF marker at the end of 
> the last line, instead of putting it in a new line? e.g I wanna create a file 
> like the following
> 
> 		blah, blah
> 		blah, blah<EOF>
> 
> 	instead of
> 
> 		blah, blah
> 		blah, blah
> 		<EOF>
> 
> 	Thanks for advance.

It is not possible - vi is fundamentaly a line editor - its  core is the 
ex part which is a line editor which is roughly based on ed which is a line
editor. 

There is no EOF marker by the way (Well not in unix anyway).

This is also the main reason why you cannot delete the newline with 'x' or 
'X' as you can in character stream oriented editors such as emacs.

Nick Hounsome
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: jdin@hprdash.rose.hp.com (Julie Din)
Subject: Word Processors Wanted!!!
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:14:11 GMT
Organization: HP Roseville Support Materials Organization
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.1]



We are currently investigating word processing packages which will be used
primarily to write software development documentation (i.e., Requirements
Study, Application Design, Technical Design, etc.).  Can you recommend any
packages that will run on either the PC or hp-ux platforms (or both) and
list the pros and cons of each?  We are especially interested in packages
that can include graphics or provide graphics capabilities (e.g., for
drawing flow or structure charts, etc.).

Thanks in advance for any help you can give us!


Debbie Rees and Julie Din
Hewlett-Packard

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Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: schanck@tron.bwi.wec.com (Christopher Schanck)
Subject: Re: Column Editor ??
Organization: Westinghouse Electric Corporation, Baltimore MD.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:28:01 GMT

In article <C17Ey4.DCs@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk> chris47@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Chris Brown ) writes:
>Im looking for an editor which will ......
>       handle very large files
>       is able to do block edits in columns
>       works on a PC
>       outputs ASCII
>
>It would also be nice if it worked under MS-Windows and had a fixed column
>output filling gaps with blanks or zeros

In the shareware world, Bingo should handle this (usually found as
BE300.ZIP).  In the commercial world, Brief is available from Borland.

Chris
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: szathmary@sscl.uwo.ca
Subject: Brief 3.1 for MSDOS
Organization: Social Science Computing Laboratory
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:29:26 GMT



I have just received an advertisement for Brief 3.1 for MSDOS from Borland.
Would anyone be able to comment on the quality of this editor?

Thanks.


Newsgroups: comp.editors,comp.windows.x.apps,alt.sources.d
From: ejk@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu (Ed Kubaitis - CCSO)
Subject: sam editor X11 extensions
Followup-To: comp.editors 
Organization: University of Illinois - Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:47:19 GMT
Keywords: sam X11

Sam, the editor for Unix/X11 by Rob Pike & Howard Trickey, provides a
mouse-driven point-and-type|cut|paste interface and a simple powerful
command language. Sam has multi-file editing, unlimited undo, multi-line
regular expressions, and sophisticated editing by chaining simple commands
together -- sort of like unix pipelines.

But despite Sam's attractive features, many people give up after trying it
for a while, finding the interface too mouse-intensive. It's great to point
with a mouse at where or what you want to edit. But almost everything in
sam requires the mouse, even things arguably easier with keystrokes like
scrolling or switching between file and command windows.

I have developed extensions to sam that keep all the features of sam's
mouse interface and command language, but allow for less mouse activity by
mapping much of the sam "mouse language" to user-tailorable keyboard keys.
The extensions also provide a basic autoindent and user-tailorable default
window locations.

The materials for the extensions are available from uxc.cso.uiuc.edu
in pub/sam/samx1.0.shar.

The tailorable key portion of the extensions requires perl. Sites with a
perl earlier than 4.035 will also want the patch in pub/sam/samx1.0.ME-TOO.

Sam itself is available from research.att.com in dist/sam/bundle.Z. It's a
fairly large package (about 14,000 lines), but an easy build on many
Unix/X11 platforms. It shouldn't need more than minor fiddling on most unix
systems with an ANSI/POSIX C compiler and Xlib/Xt. (It might have problems
on SVR3 platforms whose Xt uses a broken or incomplete implementation of
BSD select.)

----------------------------------
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Computing & Communications Services Office - University of Illinois, Urbana
Newsgroups: comp.editors,comp.unix.admin
From: hoffman@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (paul.hoffman)
Subject: Bell Technologies Phone # Wanted
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:30:26 GMT
Followup-To: prh@onus.ATT.COM
Summary: Need a Phone number for the suppliers of the 'Screen' editor.

I'm looking for a contact phone number for "Bell Technologies Incorporated",
who markets (or used to market) the "Bell Screen Editor (tm), 'Screen'".

We have an old copy on one of our 3B2 computers, but I don't have the 
original disks or documentation. I want to obtain a legal copy to port 
onto a newer machine.  (...I have a user community who needs to be
lead by the hand, rather than learning 'vi'...)

The last info I had on them (from 1985!) was:

	Bell Technologies Incorporated
	Post Office Box 8323
	Fremont, CA
	94537-8323

I haven't been able to find a phone listing thru 411.  Please E-mail replies 
to "prh@onus.ATT.COM", as I don't generally read these newsgroups.

Thanks,
Paul
510-224-4452
============================================================================
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Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: auerbach@ncsu.edu (David D Auerbach)
Subject: Re: Column Editor ??
Organization: NCSU
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:46:00 GMT

chris47@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Chris Brown ) writes:

>Im looking for an editor which will ......
>       handle very large files
>       is able to do block edits in columns
>       works on a PC
>       outputs ASCII

>It would also be nice if it worked under MS-Windows and had a fixed column
>output filling gaps with blanks or zeros

>Thank You in Advance

>Chris
>chris47@uxb.liv.ac.uk

XyWrite III+ and its descendent Signature, soon to be renamed XyWrite IV
will do all that (& more of course).  XyWrite IV is particularly nice
about  columns.
From: jhallen@world.std.com (Joseph H Allen)
Subject: Re: Column Editor ??
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:17:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.174143.26098@Princeton.EDU> bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan) writes:
>In article <richard.727862762@dutepp13> Richard.Kooijman@dnpap.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman) writes:
>>les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
>>
>>>In article <C17Ey4.DCs@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk> chris47@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Chris Brown ) writes:
>>>>Im looking for an editor which will ......
>>>>       outputs ASCII
>>
>>>Wordperfect should work...
>>
>>Now WordPerfect doesn't really output ASCII, now does it?
>>Perhaps by using a hack: printing through a stripped down printer
>>driver with only ASCII characters and without control codes.
>
>Yes, it does.  F10, then one of the options shown (Save DOS text, I think).
>However, WP column editing ability is strictly limited to columns you've
>predefined before setting up the data file.  And moving between columns is
>a pain.

There was once even a WordPerfect programmer's editor (I don't know when or
how, I just remeber finding a disk with it).  It was WordPerfect with all of
the wordprocessing stuff removed, and with saner key-mappings (it actually
used Ctrl keys!).  WordPerfect's vi-style command prefixing even made some
sense.  Does anyone know what ever happened to that?
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Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: pcolsen@super.org (Peter C Olsen)
Subject: CRISP mailing list?
Organization: Supercomputing Research Center
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:39:26 GMT


I've heard of a CRISP mailing list, but I can find no information
about it.  Can someone give me a pointer to it?

Thanks.

Peter Olsen

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Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: actinc@dixie.com (Atlanta Computer Technology)
Subject: Lanier No Problem?
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 03:00:47 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.
Summary: Disk Conversion

I have a client with a Lanier No Problem word processing system.  It is a 
dedicated word processer (not a computer), but uses 5 1/4" floppy
diskettes.  Does anyone know how to get the information in these 
diskettes onto a DOS machine (in WordPerfect?)

Tahnks for any useful response.

											   Young
From: qq11@liverpool.ac.uk (Alan Thew)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: IBM's SPF for Un*x??
Date: 23 Jan 93 21:20:21 GMT
Organization: The University of Liverpool
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Sorry if this has been asked recently. There does not appear to be a "free"
version around but I wondered if there was a commercial product.

If you know of one (or more :-)), please e-mail me and I'll sumarise to
the group.

Thank you.
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Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: john@civil.su.oz.au (John Mackin)
Subject: Re: A little question on vi
Summary: vi is a _text_ editor
Organization: Chickenhawk Software
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:05:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.061448.25739@cdf.toronto.edu>,
	g2chanhk@cdf.toronto.edu (Simon Ho Ki CHAN) writes:

>	Hi, is there anybody who knows how to put the EOF marker at the end of 
> the last line, instead of putting it in a new line? e.g I wanna create a file 
> like the following
>
>		blah, blah
>		blah, blah<EOF>
>
>	instead of
>
>		blah, blah
>		blah, blah
>		<EOF>

Someone has made this point already, but I have a few things to add.

The answer to the question is that this is impossible with vi.  And
as `someone' (what I wouldn't give for a better news-reading
interface!) pointed out, there is no "EOF marker" in a UNIX file.
A UNIX file is an exact number of characters (bytes, octets)
long and therefore has no requirement for an "EOF marker" such as is
needed on some filesystems where files don't have an exact
length in bytes, but only a sector or block count.  (Note,
all my remarks here apply to UNIX.  If the original poster
is using vi on something else, all bets are off.)

There is a good reason why this is impossible.  The reason is that
vi is a text editor, for editing text files.  A well-formed UNIX
text file consists of zero or more lines.  A line consists of
zero or more non-null characters followed by a terminating
newline character.  Hence, a non-empty file with no terminal newline
is not a well-formed UNIX text file.  You don't want to
create one of those, since (unfortunately) far too many
UNIX tools will behave in `interesting' ways when presented
with one of them.  Similarly, you don't want to treat files
with embedded nulls as text -- I'll never forget the day grep
failed to match patterns that were indeed matched by strings
in the file, because the file also had nulls in it.

(There is also a well-known bug in many versions of vi to do
with this.  The above definition of a text file certainly
admits the null (that is, zero-length or empty) file as a
valid text file, as it must.  Unfortunately, many versions
of vi don't allow you to create the null file, or indeed
operate on it sensibly.  You can read it in, but it immediately
becomes a one-line file.)

This is not to say that a text editor _mustn't_ let you
create a file without a terminal newline.  Indeed, I tend
to come down on the side of never second-guessing the user.
But, I can see where the idea came from, and it's not
wholly without merit.

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From: pckizer@tamsun.tamu.edu (Philip Kizer)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: Piping just *1* line [Was: mapping space bar]
Date: 27 Jan 1993 22:41:14 -0600
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu

Once, djf@bnr.ca wrote:
>BTW:
> - is there a way to pipe just *1* line through a filter?  I find things like
>   !jsome_command<return>
>always send two lines.

Certainly:

    !!some_command<return>

Just like dd, cc, and yy say to delete, change and yank the current line
(respectively), !! says to pipe the current line to the command.


G'day,
philip
From: rob.gabbard@sdrc.com (Rob Gabbard)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Help : Need to map TAB to # of spaces in VI
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:26:43 GMT
Followup-To: comp.editors
Organization: SDRC, Graphics and User Interface Group

When I hit TAB in VI I want it to simply insert three spaces instead of an
actual TAB. I know I can set ts=3 and shiftwidth=3, etc. but I simply don't
want TABs in my file.  I even defined a macro that substitued all TABs with three spaces (with the above settings) but this caused all sort of strange visual effects for obvious reasons.  Is there a way to do this ?

Thanks in advance

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Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: Centering lines in vi
From: comjohn@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Mr. John T Jensen)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 02:20:06 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

gordond@sr.hp.com (Gordon DeWitte) writes:

>!!ctr[return]

Fine if you're running in Unix with the text-processing component available.
Any help for those of us running under ancient (Version 7 and below) Unixes;
Xenix; or elvis for DOS.  In the first two cases the run-time system was
sold without the text-processing system, meaning no ?roff, no ctr, etc.  In
the latter, you have to have a DOS utility (which I haven't).

jj

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From: pckizer@tamsun.tamu.edu (Philip Kizer)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: Need help with v -c option
Date: 27 Jan 1993 22:43:50 -0600
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu


Once, westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) writes:
>Also, while I'm here, can someone tell me how do you mark a line
>in .exrc as a comment?


The double quote character: '"'.  Like in this snippet from my .exrc:

"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
" Insert nroff macro commands before the current para to do full justification.
" Leaves cursor in replace mode to change number of columns.
map \p j{wO.ad b.ll 80.pl 1kR
"
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
" Pipe the current document through ispell.
" Current documant must already be named. Forces a write of the file.
map \s :w!:!ispell %:e %


-pc

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From: chris47@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Chris Brown )
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Column Editor ??
Date: 21 Jan 93 12:34:51 GMT
Organization: The University of Liverpool
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Im looking for an editor which will ......
       handle very large files
       is able to do block edits in columns
       works on a PC
       outputs ASCII

It would also be nice if it worked under MS-Windows and had a fixed column
output filling gaps with blanks or zeros

Thank You in Advance

Chris
chris47@uxb.liv.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: Conv. PostScript to ASCII text. HELP!
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:03:45 GMT

slzg4@cc.usu.edu writes:

>I am looking for a program converting a PostScript text file to the
>regular ASCII text file.
[...]


Host apocalypse.engr.ucf.edu

    Location: /usr/ssd
           FILE -rw-r--r--      14100  Jan  4 1992  ps2ascii.shar

Host nuri.inria.fr

    Location: /postscript
           FILE -rw-rw-r--       2298  Feb 24 1992  ps2ascii-2.c.Z
           FILE -rw-rw-r--       2785  Jun 16 00:00  ps2ascii.sh.Z

Host isfs.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp

    Location: /ftpmail/ftp.meiji.ac.jp/pub/misc/PostScript
           FILE -rw-r--r--       9456  Oct 20 02:14  ps2ascii.tar.Z



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From: Richard.Kooijman@dnpap.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman)
Subject: Re: Column Editor ??
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 08:06:02 GMT

les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) writes:

>In article <C17Ey4.DCs@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk> chris47@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Chris Brown ) writes:
>>Im looking for an editor which will ......
>>       outputs ASCII
>>

>Wordperfect should work.  If you are creating the file from scratch you
>can build tables with the column widths you want, then move around in
>it like a spreadsheet.  You can also get the spacing you want with
>tab settings and/or column modes, where it might be easier to do
>moves of arbitrary rectangles.

Now WordPerfect doesn't really output ASCII, now does it?
Perhaps by using a hack: printing through a stripped down printer
driver with only ASCII characters and without control codes.
But there are better editors that are easier to use than by using this setup.
What about Brief, Epsilon, BOXER (shareware, but I am not sure it can 
arbitrary large files), BINGO (also shareware), Elvis (vi clone for PC,
very good, free), VIM (vi clone, very good, for PC, also free).
                       

Richard.
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From: les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: Column Editor ??
Date: 24 Jan 93 21:22:46 GMT
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX

In article <richard.727862762@dutepp13> Richard.Kooijman@dnpap.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman) writes:
>les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
>
>>Wordperfect should work.  If you are creating the file from scratch you
>>can build tables with the column widths you want, then move around in
>>it like a spreadsheet.  You can also get the spacing you want with
>>tab settings and/or column modes, where it might be easier to do
>>moves of arbitrary rectangles.

>Now WordPerfect doesn't really output ASCII, now does it?

Sure, if you hit <ctl-F5> (dos text) and save.  You do have to be
careful not to save to the same filename as you exit from WP
(it will be remembered as the default choice).

>Perhaps by using a hack: printing through a stripped down printer
>driver with only ASCII characters and without control codes.

That works too, and either method can be automated easily with
a macro.  Of course you lose the concept of tables, tabstops, column
setups, etc., in the ASCII copy, so if you anticipate additional editing
you will also want to save a copy in native WP format under a different
filename.

>But there are better editors that are easier to use than by using this setup.
>What about Brief, Epsilon, BOXER (shareware, but I am not sure it can 
>arbitrary large files), BINGO (also shareware), Elvis (vi clone for PC,
>very good, free), VIM (vi clone, very good, for PC, also free).

"Better" depends on what you like and what you really need to do.  If
you need to work in tables, you probably won't find anything better
than Wordperfect, especially if you need to import data from a
spreadsheet into a document in table format, since that's a built-in
operation.   Elvis is the only one of the editors mentioned above
that I've used and I'm sure it's no match for WP 5.1 for anything
resembling columnar output.  If you need to output "pretty" hard
copy (i.e. with proportional fonts and borders around your tables)
as well as exporting ASCII, you'll quickly learn to appreciate the
high end wordprocessors.

Les Mikesell
  les@chinet.chi.il.us
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