HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: eodell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Eugene O'Dell)
Subject: Re: What is the best BBS?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 21:24:09 GMT


I used to help run a 15 line C-Net board...  It was called Th' OGRE.
Even with fifteen lines, it wasn't uncommon to get a busy signal all day
long.  Anyone who called us stayed with us, instead of their old haunts  
(i.e. IBM boards, DLG boards, etc.)  They loved C-Net, and how easily
configurable it was.  We even had a "jive" text translation...  Nobody
could touch us.

--
--Eugene O'Dell                        
Internet Address: EAO430S@VMA.SMSU.EDU "I would give my life to find it,
                  eodell@nyx.cs.du.edu   I would give it all...
  Bitnet Address: EAO430S@SMSMVMA         Catch me if I fall." -  R.E.M.
From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: To Jack Radigan; Regarding JR-Comm 2.0+
Date: 30 Jul 92 01:40:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

pwappy@well.sf.ca.us (Jeff Walkup) writes:

>Jack, that 2-scanline front-to-back gadget you are putting in JR-Comm2.0;
>that *is* all the way in the upper-right corner, isn't it???  Like it's
>supposed to be under WB2.0??  Gosh I hate poking around for the current
>'hidden' gadget.

  No, it's a two scan line high DRAG BAR.  There's also a front/back gadget
(pair for 1.3) there as well.  Albeit, both are hidden.

  -jack-
From: paulk@terapin.com (Paul Kienitz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: %%$$@@  BBS Mail Doors !! ** &&^^^
Date: 29 Jul 92 08:03:12 PST
Organization: BBS

One thing many Amiga based BBS systems seem to lack is a means of packing mail
for offline reading in formats such as QWK or Silver Xpress, and there are
certainly no Amiga BBSes with MegaMail or Blue Wave mail packers.  I am
considering writing a QWK / Blue Wave mail door for some BBS(es), having just
written an offline reader for these formats (Q-Blue), and what I'm wondering is
............................

WHICH bbs software would be the best choice to write a door for?  So can
anybody tell me:

- which wares, if any, already have QWK mail packing ability (DLG?)

- which ones are most popular today

- which ones are fastest growing and might be most popular in the future

- whether anybody else is working on something of the sort ...

At the moment I'm kinda leaning toward XenoLink as a starting point, but that's
very preliminary.  My main question about XenoLink is, how many such BBSes are
out there, and how many of them have heavy enough traffic to justify a mail
door?  Is it selling well?

On the other hand, if I start with C-Net, I might be able to read these
newsgroups offline with it.  Trouble being that C-Net's message base structure,
as far as I can tell from the specimen I'm using right now, makes a very poor
fit to the QWK and Blue Wave formats, which expect message bases to be a pretty
much linear sequence of messages each addressed to some particular person.
From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: JR-COMM (vt220 emulation?)
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:05:12 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

hamster@werple.pub.uu.oz.au (Anthony Horan) writes:

>Hi Jack... any estimate of when the new release might appear? Or
>possibly a hint of what's to come? (BiModem? Grin... ) 

  It will appear when it is finished being tested and debugged.

  It has scripts, ARexx, XPR, flickerless scrolling, internal multitasking
and quite a few other things.

  But it doesn't, nor does it look like it ever will have BIMODEM.  It is
a proprietary protocol.

  -jack-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: cs902125@ariel.yorku.ca (SHUK C YIP)
Subject: Re: sz problem
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:13:22 GMT

In article <92203.155430WGLP09@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> WGLP09@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>211 cps at 2400 baud isn't all that bad, depending on whether your modem does
>compression. If not, 230 cps is about as good as it gets, so 211 is 10% below
>the max. VLT can do the 230 cps no problem, so the limitation must be elsewhere
>but still, why worry about 10%.
>

Because JR-Comm can push the transfer rate up to 230 cps, VLT can't. So,
I doubt there is something wrong with my sz or VLT setup.
From: pianoman@misseye.uucp (Alan D. Ray)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re:  SupraFAXmodem 14.4 question - BUGS??
Date: 20 Jul 92 22:25:54 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <kehlet.05ki@kehlet.adsp.sub.org> kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org (Jesper Kehlet) writes:
>In article <r3kx9kd@rpi.edu> schroj2@aix.rpi.edu (John Spence Schroder) writes:
>> 
>>   I am thinking about upgrading to a 14.4 FAX modem and currently supra
>> corp. has the best deal.  The only problem is that I've been hearing
>> reports that these modems still have some bugs with them, most notably
>> connecting with other supra modems.  I have also heard to supras benefit
>> that they have been and continue to work on a fix.  Would anyone who owns a
>> SupraFAXmodem 14.4 or even better some from supra corp. like to comment
>> about this?
>>   
>>   These modems sure seem to be a good deal but if they don't work %100 I
>> would like to save my money. :)
>
>I would say, that you should consider a TwinCom 144/DF from Image
>Communications.  It's basically the same modem as the Supra V32bis
>(Rockwell chipset, Fax Service Class 1 & 2 etc.  etc.), but...

Could you please post an address for Image Communications so we can
get more info re: the TwinCom?

[other stuff deleted......]
 
>
>	* TwinCom will be ready with a 28800 upgrade towards the end of '92
>	  -- you'll have to wait at least another year for Supra to get it
>	  out.
>
>And I could keep on, but let this be enough to tease you...
>

It has teased me...how about and address (or phone number)?

>
>> -- 
>> /John S. Schroder
>
>-- 
>     Jesper Kehlet, Compos Mentis Software Systems -- A Kind Of Magic
>
>        (uunet|pyramid|rutgers)!cbmvax!cbmehq!cbmden!kehlet!kehlet
>             cbmehq!cbmden!kehlet!kehlet@cbmvax.commodore.com
>
>     "Yet another emotional suicide, overdosed on sentiment and pride"

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: cs902125@ariel.yorku.ca (SHUK C YIP)
Subject: Re: sz problem
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 01:46:53 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.163342.8976@ncsu.edu> dwjohnso@eos.ncsu.edu (DAVID WILLIAM JOHNSON) writes:
>
>I download using sz and Vlt and routinely get 232 cps although it may take 
>a few packets to get up to that speed.  A different zmodem problem I have
>is trying to use Zmodem through our campus Xyplex servers.  They choke
>whenever I use zmodem, ymodem, and xmodem.  Vlt gives an error like data
>too long or bad framing error.  Not sure exactly but it freaks out on any
>binary files.  Works fine for text.  So I am reduced to using KERMIT :(
>Please email any suggestions.  Thanks in advance.
>-- 

Can you give me some more information about your sz, VLT and zmodem
setup? (eg. baud rate, parity...)
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.datacomm:5397 comp.dcom.modems:11287
From: nol2321@dsacg4.dsac.dla.mil (Jim Dunn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm,comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: FCC considering "modem fees" again
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:50:58 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Organization: Defense Logistics Agency Systems Automation Center, Columbus

In article <62802@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>concerning CI$'s fees, how does anyone afford it? $12/hour for
>(yawn) 1200/2400 access. A whopping $22/hour for normal (v32)
>access.
>
>Assuming you do little else but get email, that's probably 
>4 hours a month. 
>
>Most people must get their company to pay for it.

THE FOLLOWING IS NOT AN AD, JUST A STATEMENT OF FACT.

Let's not be too hard on CI$, er, I mean, CIS.  Those dollar amounts are
only almost correct if you call them during the daytime... but if you do
what I do and call after 6pm, then it's only $7.95 per month -- period.

END OF ANOTHER STATEMENT OF FACT BY ANOTHER SATISFIED CUSTOMER.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.datacomm:5449 comp.dcom.modems:11355
From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm,comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Re: FCC considering "modem fees" again
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 22:08:39 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <62802@cup.portal.com> <3417@faatcrl.UUCP>

>TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>
>>concerning CI$'s fees, how does anyone afford it? $12/hour for
>>(yawn) 1200/2400 access. A whopping $22/hour for normal (v32)
>>access.
>
>>Assuming you do little else but get email, that's probably
>>4 hours a month.
>
>  Update your database, CIS has had a montly flat rate for basic services
>for quite awhile now.
>
>  -jack-

If all you want to do is read an encyclopedia or something that normally is
free (things you can do at the library).

Since this group is talking about Amigas, we would need to look at the Amiga
sig, THAT costs $$$$$$$.  Absurd amounts in MHO.  On portal I get 9600 BPS
at a little more than $1 per hour.  Internet mail, HUGE databases on Portal
and conferencing with al the right people.  Why would anyone want to spend
those huge hourly rates in CI$?  Maybe for AP news and such, but for Amiga
interests, nothing can come close to Portal.

-Joel
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 / & Senior Producer..../...Moody Broadcasting Network, Chicago, IL. USA /
/ Portal ID: joeles..../...joeles@cup.portal.com                        /
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***** PORTAL NOW SUPPORTS TELNET, IRC AND FTP ACCESS TO ITS USERS! *****
                   FOR $1/HOUR AT 9600BPS! (w/PCPursuit)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999)
Subject: Re: What is the best BBS?
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 19:56:52 GMT

In article <hribnak.05zo@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca> hribnak@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca (Jim Hribnak) writes:

>Also to change the menu file in CNet takes all of 15-20 mins if your brain
																 ~~~~~~~~~~
>dead!
 ~~~~

I hope you don't mind... I just had to print this little gem out and show it to
the local English Grammar department.  They're still laughing!

-- 

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Jeff Grimmett [SuperBitMap BBS]        | fido!1:202/1401.0 [619-460-7290]
NCR -- Torrey Pines Development Center | Jeffrey.Grimmett@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com
==========    "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."   =============
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From: Les_Jenkins@lppl.mi.org (Les Jenkins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: What is the best BBS?
Distribution: world
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:12:16 EST
Organization: Les's Place BBS

In a message dated Tue 28 Jul 92  8:34, hribnak@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca (Jim
Hribnak) wrote:

 JH> The Visualy ed, is under going MAJOR changes, it was a low priority
 JH> feature, he wanted to get other things done before hand..  It will be
 JH> external once he is finished working on his additional features for
the
 JH> VisEd

Lets hope he does a good job on it. Currently it's not worth using...



 -- AEd V1.36f/EvaA

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

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From: kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org (Jesper Kehlet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: SupraFAXmodem 14.4 question - BUGS??
Date: 23 Jul 92 02:09:48 GMT
Organization: Compos Mentis Software Systems
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Jul21.155021.26536@wam.umd.edu> walrus@wam.umd.edu (Udo K Schuermann) writes:
> I am wondering if anyone knows the answer to this:
> 
> I connect with my SupraFAX V.32bis modem to the University, whose modems
> are currently V.32 (NOT bis) and V.42bis.  I get 9600 LAP-M V.42bis and
> nothing I do seems to be able to get 12000 or even 14400 baud.  Is this the
> maximum I can get when connecting to a V.32 modem and will this improve
> when they upgrade to V.32bis?

V32	9600/7200/4800 bps protocol for use on any telephone connection

V32bis	14400/12000/7200 bps protocol, but it requires a 2-wire connection
	and offers better synchronization with the remote modem, which is
	in itself faster.

V42	Data compression protocol compatible with MNP 2-4

V42bis	Data compress protocol independent of data type

As you can see, you cannot connect with anything higher than 9600 to a V32
modem.


> Udo Schuermann

-- 
     Jesper Kehlet, Compos Mentis Software Systems -- A Kind Of Magic

        (uunet|pyramid|rutgers)!cbmvax!cbmehq!cbmden!kehlet!kehlet
             cbmehq!cbmden!kehlet!kehlet@cbmvax.commodore.com

     "Yet another emotional suicide, overdosed on sentiment and pride"
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.datacomm:5313 comp.sys.amiga.hardware:13178
From: jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: How do I get LIGHTNING on my SupraFAX?
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:27:56 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

From article <1992Jul24.033851.9263@afterlife.ncsc.mil>, by bkwilli@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Bryan Williams):
> 100k per second? Gee, I wouldn't complain!! :)  
>  
> I think you meant 100k/minute (bytes).... sounds right to me, I get just over
> 1k/sec at 9600, which puts you ~50% faster.
>  
> I suggest you run at 57.6kbps or 38.4kbps.  The idea is that v.42bis can
> give a max of 4:1 compression, hence multiply main carrier speed by 4. 
> 19,200 is NOT fast enough. If you ever download raw text, you'll see well over
> 2:1 compression happen & you'll be unnecessarily slow.
>  
> With my v.32 9600, I get 26,000 to 30,000 bps when downloading text. It is hard
> to tell because it is so fast I  haven't had files long enough to average out 
> over time.....

I bought one of these V.32bis Supra Fax modems.  I have tried it
with AtalkIII (?the program that came with it) and JR-commm to
connect to PP&S modems (at work) which are 2400 baud with
V.32bis, MNP-5, V.32, V.42, etc.  AtalkIII seems to be a little
faster, but doesn't tell me a speed.  JR-comm in ymodem-batch,
says it is getting 96 char/sec.  I think my old 1200 baud modem
was doing this well.  Am I doing something wrong? 

I read somewhere that I should turn off MNP-5, but don't see how
to do it with either program.  
-- 
"Land of song, said the warrior bard,           Jim Heath
Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)
From: mike@agrijag.UUCP (Mike Schiller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: SupraFAXmodem 14.4 question - BUGS??
Date: 20 Jul 92 08:15:18 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <r3kx9kd@rpi.edu> schroj2@aix.rpi.edu (John Spence Schroder) writes:
>
>  I am thinking about upgrading to a 14.4 FAX modem and currently supra
>corp. has the best deal.  The only problem is that I've been hearing
>reports that these modems still have some bugs with them, most notably
>connecting with other supra modems.  I have also heard to supras benefit
>that they have been and continue to work on a fix.  Would anyone who owns a
>SupraFAXmodem 14.4 or even better some from supra corp. like to comment
>about this?
>
Well, a friend & I both have the SupraFAXModem 14.4 modems, and so far we
havn't had much trouble connecting with each other. The only problems we do
have is with file transfers, but I think that's more a problem with the comm
program, NOT the modem. (I use either BackTalk, or Term, and he's using JRComm
and for some reason when I send him files there's always 2-3 errors per file
but when he sends me files there's no problem at all. On text files we get
speeds of about 2600cps, and on binary files we get about 1600cps thruput.

>  These modems sure seem to be a good deal but if they don't work %100 I
>would like to save my money. :)

I would say that the modems are a good buy. I use mine every day, and I also
use the GPFax FAX software that came with the modem with NO problems at all.
I know that many folks also like the PPI 14.4k fax modem, but I don't have
any personal experience with it.

>
>Thanks
>
>
>--
>/John S. Schroder                  +  SCA: East Kingdom, Shire of Anglespur    \
>/Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute  +  The KLF, Art of Noise, 808 State, RUNDMC \
>/schroj2@rpi.edu                   +  ** AMIGA 3000 **  ** Suzuki GS 450E **   \
>/=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\

--
                        -Mike Schiller
                         CIS  : 76416,3065
                           or   76416.3065@compuserve.com
                         BIX  : schiller
                         UUCP : ...uflorida!novavax!agrijag!mike
                         GEnie: schiller
From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: FCC considering "modem fees" again
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 15:41:02 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Jul26.172846.26274@qiclab.scn.rain.com>

>Why? CIS may be more expensive than Prodigy (who cares!) or Genie. But 
>no one is forcing *you* to use it. And CIS's prices have come down since
>the old days.
>
>BTW, I wonder what this will do to "public" Internet sites if they carry it
>off?
>-- 
>Leonard Erickson		      leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com

Down?? Would you call $12.80/hr for 1200/2400 or $22.80/hr for 9600
(to access their Amiga areas) cheap?  Economical? A Bargain? 
Reasonable?  What indial speeds did they lower the rates on? 300 baud?
($6.00/hr).  Are you *seriously* going to use 300 baud? 

No one need pay these ridiculously high prices to access information
and files on/for/about the Amiga. Yes, I consider $22.80/hr for 9600bps
access ridiculous. A ripoff. Highway robbery. 

How about $13.95/month flat plus an hourly access charge of $2.50
(via SprintNet or Tymnet) to get at 800 MEG of Amiga files (including
700 Fish disks), Amiga message bases, thousands of users, including the
Usenet, plus Internet FTP and IRC which CI$ (or Genie for that matter) don't
even offer? 

Yeah, $2.50/hour. Even at 9600bps. No kiddin.

It's called The Portal System. Email me for more info.

Harv
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: walrus@wam.umd.edu (Udo K Schuermann)
Subject: Re: SupraFAXmodem 14.4 question - BUGS??
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:57:33 GMT

In article <kehlet.05pn@kehlet.adsp.sub.org> kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org (Jesper Kehlet) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.155021.26536@wam.umd.edu> walrus@wam.umd.edu (Udo K Schuermann) writes:
>> maximum I can get when connecting to a V.32 modem and will this improve
>> when they upgrade to V.32bis?
> 
>...
>As you can see, you cannot connect with anything higher than 9600 to a V32
>modem.
>
>> Udo Schuermann
> 
>     Jesper Kehlet, Compos Mentis Software Systems -- A Kind Of Magic

My thanks to everyone who responded to my question.  You can stop now :-)

 ._.  Udo Schuermann     "If I went around calling myself emperor just because
 ( )  walrus@wam.umd.edu  some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd
 Seeking virtual memory   put me away!"         -- Monty Python's "Holy Grail"
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.datacomm:5329 comp.dcom.modems:11139
From: geoff@zswamp.UUCP (Geoffrey Welsh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm,comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: FCC considering "modem fees" again
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 23:57:11 EDT
Organization: Izot's Swamp

rlcarr@animato.network23.com (Rich Carreiro) writes:

> According to a CompuServe message (posted by CIS itself on 16-Jul),
> the FCC is again thinking of taxing online service providers.

   Given what CI$ charges for on-line time, this is clearly a case of the pot 
calling the kettle black. <grin>

DISCLAIMER: I don't wish to belittle the importance of this issue; I wish only 
to ridicule CI$.

Geoffrey Welsh, 7 Strath Humber Court, Islington, Ontario, M9A 4C8 Canada
geoff@zswamp.uucp, [xenitec.on.ca|m2xenix.psg.com]!zswamp!geoff (416)258-8467
From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Re: FCC considering "modem fees" again
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 23:28:42 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <62802@cup.portal.com> <3417@faatcrl.UUCP> <Bs2KD7.9q@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
  <3436@faatcrl.UUCP>

I do NOT work for or know anyone at Portal personally.  I am only a happy
customer who feels like he knows two of the best kept secrets.
1. The Amiga is a great system   and 
2. Portal is the best value for any Amiga user, period.

>
>  No matter how bad some others make out the high cost of CIS over their
>cheaper systems, the one benefit you have is the ability to use automated
                      --- -------
>messaging programs like TapCIS for the PeeCee or Whap! for the Amiga.  Both
>are supported online there and can really make for some economical messaging,
>so long as you resist downloading and save that for a local BBS or new Fish
>disk.

Portal now has, or will within days, have an automated downloader, mail
reader/writer that works for both local Portal mail AND usenet mail (I'm
using it now).  You can use your own favorite editor to write messages (I'm
using CEDPro)!  Known as PortalX, it was written by Steve Tibett (of VirusX,
ScreenX, etc.) and is available from and supported by Portal.  It is fully
intuitionized as well as full keyboard support and works well with 2.0 and
2.1.

So much for that "one" benefit.

> 
> Another plus, especially people like me who are not local to a Tymnet or 
>Telenet indial is the fact the CIS often has a local indial that doesn't add 
>another few dollars per hour to the connection. 

I use PCPursuit at $30 for 30 hours of monthly connect time to Portal, no
additional comm charges.  There is also a 60 hour at $50.  (This is at
9600bps in Chicago, no extra charge.)  Otherwise it would be about $5 an
hour for connect per hour after 6pm.  Much less than the CIS charge without
those "few extra dollars."  Still, I would also like to see more telenet
nodes in place.  This would be nice for folks out in the sticks.  Also, you
can use Tymnet as well.

Check out Portal, I guarantee you won't be disappointed.  Remember also that
the famous PeopleLink SIG moved lock stock and barrel to Portal.

-Joel
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  / Joel E. Swan....Pres./...Media Specialties, Ltd., Oak Forest, IL.USA  /
 / & Senior Producer..../...Moody Broadcasting Network, Chicago, IL. USA /
/ Portal ID: joeles..../...joeles@cup.portal.com                        /
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***** PORTAL NOW SUPPORTS TELNET, IRC AND FTP ACCESS TO ITS USERS! *****
                   FOR $1/HOUR AT 9600BPS! (w/PCPursuit)