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From: njl@drutx.ATT.COM (LaRocheNJ)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: wood-eating rabbit?
Summary: Be careful of splintery wood, too.
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:44:28 GMT
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO

In article <BrpA3w.LDH@world.std.com>, marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans) writes:
> 
> >Don't waste money on pet store bunny products.  Wooden clothes pins are a
> >lot more fun for bunnies than the pet store chew sticks!  Cheaper, too.
> 
> I got my bunny a chew block from the pet store, and he's never touched it.
> However, we've just discovered fruit crates, an inexpensive source of nice
> soft pine in small pieces. He loves it, and it's free.

A small caution--be sure the wood doesn't splinter easily.  Pine lumber is
soft enough that bunnies can chew it and make headway, but hard enough
that they don't get splinters.  Some fruit crates are great, some aren't,
so just keep an eye on what you're getting.

Nancy LaRoche (HRS)
att!drutx!njl
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From: dlyons@necis.UUCP (Dave Lyons)
Newsgroups: rec.pets,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Jackelope / Basselope
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:48:47 GMT
Organization: NEC Information Systems, Acton, MA

In article <rpdm4kk.gooley@netcom.com>, gooley@netcom.com (Mark. Gooley) wrote:
 
> They don't have to.  Anybody who keeps this stupid, dull, dreary thread
> on talk.bizarre is the perfect example of a jackanapes.

My, my, my!  Lost our sense of H-U-M-O-R have we ????

                                       -- Dave --
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From: hartman@dewey.udel.edu (Nancy Hartman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Origin of Ferrets
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:27:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

In article <1992Jul22.132705.6158@novell.com> mlinda@novell.com (M'Linda Taylor) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.054950.19788@udel.edu> hartman@dewey.udel.edu (Nancy Hartman) writes:

>I'm the original poster.  Regarding rash judgements, she *knows* better,
>it's more of a knee jerk reaction.  She would never impose her opinion
>on anyone but me and only when I make a "gee, I'd like to get a ferret
>one of these days" noise.  The reason I posted a request for information
>*was* to educate her.  She's quite reasonable and is willing to change
>an opinion when presented with appropriate evidence.

I apologize.  Upon rereading my original post I realize that it sounded
much more flamable than it was intended to be.  It was not intended to
personally flame M'Linda or her mother, it was more of a release of a lot
of frustration from hearing a constant stream of horror stories caused
by nothing short of ignorance about ferrets.  And having to always be
afraid that one slip-up by my girls could mean their death at the hands
of some ignorant fish and wildlife officer because they are "Wild animals
and thus have to be destructively tested for rabies".  It is also
illegal to vaccinate "wild animals", so ferrets across the country
are being put at risk because vets have to fear being arrested to keep
them healthy.  In the states where ferrets are illegal, they are even
taken into the back yard and shot in front of the owners eyes, no attempt
to even have them shipped out of state unless the owner has connections
and knows what to do. (extreme case, but it does happen)

All this caused by attitudes similar to that which was expressed by
M'Linda's mother, except that they are much more closed minded about
it.  They are also groups that have a lot of political clout, such as
the "Humane" Society of the United States and People for the "Ethical" 
Treatment of Animals.

So, as you can see, these attitudes are extremely harmful.  It's not
just a matter of having our "feelings hurt" that someone calls our
furries "wild animals".

- Nancy

-- 
Nancy Hartman					CIS graduate student
hartman@udel.edu				U. of Delaware
        President and founder, Delaware Valley Ferret Club
                      Owner of Percy & Bree
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: palmj@vccsouth29.its.rpi.edu (Jyri L. Palm)
Subject: Re: Working Ferrets
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:42:54 GMT

bvt@island.island.COM (Brad Van Tighem) writes:

>Dear Ferret Experts-

>	I was wondering if someone out there knows if people still use
>ferrets for getting rid of gophers.  I`d be interested in contacting
>someone in the Northern California Area who could do the job, if there
>was such a person. I realize that ferrets are illegal in California, but
>perhaps they can be trained for exterminating rodents by licensed
>individuals.

>	Please contact me directly through e-mail since I do not
>read the news that often.  Thanks in advance.

>Brad

>bvt@island.COM
>  

Nope, ever since the ferrets went to a Union-shop, they've given up such
ancient and barbaric systems such as killing and the "nature thing."

You wouldn't believe what I have to do just get the little buggers to put
away my shoes, and even then they put them in two different places!

Jyri Palm
palmj@rpi.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets,alt.folklore.urban,talk.bizarre,alt.sex
From: sabg9174@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tolthrye)
Subject: Re: Jackelope
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 07:22:41 GMT

v077mdph@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (John of Gaunt) writes:

>In article <!b+m64p.rdc@netcom.com>, rdc@netcom.com (Rachel Dafni Christy)
>writes...
>>kevoka@auto-trol.com (Kevin O'Kane) writes:
>>>It's an endangered mammal. It resembles a jack rabbit but
>>>is twice the size and has antlers like a pronghorn. 
>> 
>>I am distressed that people are so interested in these jackelopes!
>>First off, Kevin here is saying they are endangered animals.  Please
>>be responsible!  Do not encourage the ownership of endangered animals!
>>Besides they sound rather nasty.  Do they tasted good? :) :)
>> 
>>a new newsnet reader,
>> 
>>rachel

>	Shouldn't this thread be moved to alt.animals.imagined or
>alt.sex.bestiality?

    I dunno...I'm enjoying it.
    Let's not be too a.r. about topics and newsgroups, eh?
From: warlock@pro-haven.cts.com (Tye Botting, SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: I just thought I'd say hi
Date: 24 Jul 92 06:18:03 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/693-8262, 9600-300

In <23JUL199213593794@chemvx.tamu.edu>
mundy@chemvx.tamu.edu (Dr. Stubby) writes:

% BTW, Bob grew that much in his first year, but it's really been a lack of funds
% and sexual contact that's kep thim at his present 6.5 ft level. So I don't 
% think Fused is all that abnormal. Except that brain thing.

        Well, that's cool.  I might eventually (a long time from now) get
        another burm, since Fused was so, well, friendly is the closest
        word that fits.  A friendly snake.  We'd go out to the park, and
        I'd take all my snakes, and let 'em roam.  The only one that would
        consistently come back to me was Fused.  Nico, of course, would go
        cruising away as fast as he could and try to hide.  Dazed was
        somewhere in between.  Oh, and Earwig was too small to let loose like
        that.  I haven't tried with Phallus to see what he'd do, yet.

% Damn shame too. We could've had lots of little ones crawling around by now
% otherwise.
% Guess I'll have to buy my own female.

        Well, we could still try, if you're willing to risk that it is still
        contagious (if it was in fact a disease, which is not at all certain -
        a stroke also fits her symptoms)...  We just have to wait 'til next
        season, since by then she'll either produce eggs or she never will.
From: rcbi107@muvms3.bitnet (Charles Kyle)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Geido the Killer Iguana
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:17:45 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

I thought that I would just take a second and say hi.  I am an iguana father
and have been studying iguanas for the last year.  I have had fair to good
responces with my ig, Geido.  He/ she is very passive and still flighty ever
though I have had him for three months.  But he frequently likes to take baths
in the tub and eats very well, but not if any one is in the room and only at
night.  I would love any comments from any one out there who has ig's on things
that I can do for him to make him happier.  Does any one have an ig that likes
to play possum?  Mine does and is very good at it.  Thanks Chuck
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: grp@Unify.com (Greg Pasquariello)
Subject: Re: poor Micrurus fulvius, evil girlfriends, questions, suggestions
Keywords: don't trust those coral snakes [incredibly short article]
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 21:01:40 GMT

In article <lddmafd.enigma@netcom.com>, enigma@netcom.com (Enigma) writes:
> From: enigma@netcom.com (Enigma)
> Subject: Re: poor Micrurus fulvius, evil girlfriends, questions, suggestions
> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 22:05:53 PDT
> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
> Keywords: don't trust those coral snakes [incredibly short article]
> 
> In article <1992Jul20.220444.14434@osf.org> oaf@serverx.osf.org (Oded Feingold) writes:
> >Stuart M Castergine writes:
> >	...
> >>Everyone will be pleased to know that the Coral Snake is fine. As for
> >>my girlfriend, Pandora ... well, ...
> >
> >==============================FLAME ON=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> >I'M SORRY, I DON'T BUY THAT!  No matter how fine your animal looks
> >now, you take it for a booster shot or I'll have the SPCA on you for
> >reckless endangerment, neglect, and aggravated halitosis!
> >==============================FLAME OFF-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> 
> Great flame, Stuart.  God, I love this newsgroup...
> 
> BTW, I was curious: do coral snakes have neurotoxic or hematoxic venom?
> Just how deadly are they?


Neurotoxic.  Their venom is quite dangerous but they tend not to bite.
When they do, they must chew to inject their venom, due to their small 
fangs.

> -- 
> Holly McGrath   <enigma@netcom.com> 
> 1803 Mission Street, #339          
> Santa Cruz, CA 95060              
> (408) 479-4072  (voice mail)     

-- 

--
Greg Pasquariello   	grp@unify.com 	        Sometimes you're the windshield
Unify Corporation	   or			Sometimes you're the bug.
(916) 928-6258	    ...!uunet!unify!grp
From: melanie@cayman.amd.com (Melanie Typaldos)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Snake color morphs ?
Keywords: colors white alligators
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:58:21 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc., Austin, Texas

Along the lines of color variations, I was recently in New Orleans
and saw the white alligators.  These are really beautiful animals!
They are a solid, milky white with no color pattern at all.  As
I recall they have dark, possibly blue, eyes.  What is this
color morph called?  Is the coloring in alligators governed in
the same way that it is for snakes?  (After all, these may all
be reptiles but they're not very closely related.)

----Melanie 

Melanie (Melanie Typaldos)        melanie@cayman.amd.com  
AMD 29K Systems Engineering
From: tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Congratulate me!
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:33:48 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Jul24.161628.7016@athena.cs.uga.edu> mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington) writes:
>I've just successfully hatched a green anole (Anolis carolinensis) egg.
>This was done as follows:
>
>Immediately after being laid, the egg was picked up and placed in a baby
>food jar on a substrate of slightly damp vermiculite.  The jar had a tiny
>hole in the top for ventilation.  
>
>I then put the jar in a corner of my terrarium, at a temperature of about
>75 to 78 F.  Throughout incubation, there was just a bit of moisture
>condensing on the inside of the glass jar, which is how I knew it hadn't
>dried out.
>
>This morning I went and looked at the egg and said to myself, "Oh, no, the
>egg has collapsed."  But then I noticed a small lizard running around
>beside it.
>
>The baby lizard is surprisingly large (maybe 1/4 of adult size) and mature-
>acting.  He has now been offered lots of water droplets and fruit flies.
>I've been told not to worry if he doesn't eat for a while.  The fruit flies
>are just the right size for him to feast on.  The water is probably going to
>be vitamin supplemented soon.
>
>This fellow is apparently the child of "Big Greenie," a green anole that I
>caught in August 1987 (yes, he's been with me 5 years, and was a year old
>when I caught him).  Big Greenie seems to be in his final decline now, so
>it's good that he has offspring.
>
>-- 
>==========================================================================
>Michael A. Covington, Ph.D. |  mcovingt@uga.cc.uga.edu  |  ham radio N4TMI
>Artificial Intelligence Programs | U of Georgia | Athens, GA 30602  U.S.A.
>==========================================================================

Congratulations indeed!  Sounds quite exciting.  What other  critters do you
have aboding with you?

And what a surprise to see in the herp. group...

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From: pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: HELP: Cage size for grown columbian boa ? (7 feet)
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:12:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Jul24.151227.2672
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <rotheroe.711930792@convex.com> rotheroe@convex.com (Dave Rotheroe) writes:
>>>What cage SIZE would *you* recommend for a 7-8 foot, not very active,
>>>female columbian boa constrictor ? 

A cage with a floor space of 6 square feet, absolute minimum.  More would be
better.  10-11 square feet would be plenty for the foreseeable future.

>>Nigel, a male Columbian boa, is 7.5 feet and he has his own bedroom.  I
>
>If I did that for all my "pets", I'd have to get a several million dollar
>house built!  :-)  A 7-8 foot snake is more than happy with a 2x4 foot cage,
>which can be easily made from a single sheet of 3/4 inch plywood with zero
>waste (and a bit of hardware).  A good primer and a couple of coats of oil
>base paint will make an excellent and easy to clean surface, and an aluminum
>track with 1/4 inch glass makes an excellent front.  I use hardware cloth
>(think of a heavy duty screen) in a wooden frame on a 3/4 track for my
>sliding fronts, as it allows more airflow and I didn't have to put some
>other form of ventallation in instead.  It costs me about $50 in materials
>to build a sturdy, attractive cage 2x4x2' cage, and about $125 for a 3x6x2'
>(which is large enough for just about anything short of an adult anaconda).

I built one that was 48x32x24 inches from one sheet of plywood and a 24x48
inch piece of 1/4 inch pegboard for air exchange in the back.  Put a plexiglas 
front on.  Quite adequate for a 10-12 ft Burmese.  Biggest problem with 
home-built cages is the time required for the paint, polyurethane varnish, or
whatever to cure and lose most of the vapors.  Now is a good time to start
building so the cage can sit in a garage or shed for a month and dry well (so 
I and the snake don't have to smell it).

Paul Hollander    pholland@iastate.edu
Behold the tortoise: he makes no progress unless he sticks his neck out.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander)
Subject: Re: Snake color morphs ?
Keywords: colors white alligators
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:31:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.202204.23370@news.iastate.edu> pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander) writes:
> (White alligator description deleted)
>
>The dark eyes and no trace of a remnant pattern sounds like the leucistic
>mutant in the Texas rat snake, _Elaphe_obsoleta_spiloides_, and the
>leucistic mutant in the ball python.  The ball python's leucistic mutant
>was named to follow the similar type in the Texas rat.
> (Deleted)
Oops.  I confused the albino ball pythons that are showing up with Bob 
Clark's leucistic Burmese python.  Read the above as "... the Burmese
                                                              ^^^^^^^
python's leucistic mutant ...."  Sorry if I confused anyone.  

Paul Hollander    pholland@iastate.edu
Behold the tortoise: he makes no progress unless he sticks his neck out.

Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: lita@next13pg2.wam.umd.edu (Lisa Helene Helfman)
Subject: 10GALLON TANK& HOOD FOR SALE
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:05:35 GMT

10 gallon Tank and hood for sale asking $20 for both. 
	Dem of tank: 20"L X 10.5"W X 11"H (approx)
Both excellent condition only used once for two weeks.  If interested  
write to: Lita@wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: srh3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Steven R. Hollis)
Subject: hognose update
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:22:57 GMT

Well, the snake is doing well.  I took him to school today to let my kids see him
they loved it.  He has lost nearly all agression though he still hisses
when you try to pull him out from his nice, warm, heat rock (on a stormy 
day like today I don't blame him) 

New question:  How do you sex a snake.  I know this should really
only concern another snake, but I am interested in it for naming purposes

Thanks

Steve


--
srh3@ra.msstate.edu                              Oh, bother.

Steve Hollis                                      ---Winnie-the-Pooh

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From: ramki@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Lakshmikantan Ramakrishnan)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp,rec.pets
Subject: "Phelsuma" geckos
Keywords: Info. needed on Phelsuma
Date: 30 Jul 92 01:08:52 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Hi folks,
I am looking for information on the ecology/natural history and
taxonomy of geckos of the genus "Phelsuma", and would greatly
appreciate your letting me know of articles in pet mags / scientific
journals.
Please e-mail ramki@ecn.purdue.edu 
Thanks
Ramki
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: Igor Livshits <igorl@uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: HELP: Cage size for grown columbian boa ? (7 feet)
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Organization: NCSA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:36:39 GMT



In article <l6ttvsINNbqi@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> Valerie Haecky,
vmh@vmh.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>What cage SIZE would *you* recommend for a 7-8 foot, not very active,
>female columbian boa constrictor ? 


Nigel, a male Columbian boa, is 7.5 feet and he has his own bedroom.  I
found that such a set up is easiest to clean and maintain.  I also use
the room to hang-dry my clothes.  Between the clothes and the bark chips
on the floor, the humidity stays in a comfortable range.  The chips also
make it a snap to clean, as all I have to do is pick up and throw away
the area.  These chips act as a deodorant, as well.

Just for fun, I also keep a few logs and cardboard boxes for exercise and
hiding places.  There is a heat rock in one of the boxes.  Overall, Nigel
is happy
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: debra@solbourne.com (Debra Frances)
Subject: Re: Tegus 
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:23:25 GMT

Anyone know of any Argentine black and white tegus for sale?  I have a pair,
and would like more, more, more!!!!!!!!!!!!
                        DEBRA (the giant tegu who feeds us) Frances
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: debra@solbourne.com (Debra Frances)
Subject: Re: Horny young iguana
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:26:25 GMT

On the other hand, when my breeding pair of green iguanas is in the mood, they
go at it several times a day.  I can stand 10 feet away and watch, and act
pretty much like I'm not even there.  Got 21 eggs laid last year (infertile,
the female was a bit too small), and expect a new batch in a month or so.
                                    DEBRA
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From: hamilton@lll-crg.llnl.gov (Mike Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp,misc.forsale
Subject: Boas for sale
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:13:30 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.herp
Distribution: ca
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory


They are still available....

Two Red Tail Boas for sale.

Spike is a 7+foot , supposedly female , and weighs about 12 lbs.

Stupid is about 5 foot, male and about 5 (?) pounds.

Both are healthy, friendly but shy, and need more attention than
I can give them right now. 

They have a 110 gallon fish tank with heater and hotrock.

Asking $175 for Spike, $150 for Stupid and $150 for the cage.
Will consider separating the set and alternate offers.
We are located in Northern California but often come to So.Cal.

respond to hamilton@lll-crg.llnl.gov
or call days (408) 522-2819
nights (510) 447-1424
ask for mike hamilton
From: warlock@pro-haven.cts.com (Tye Botting, SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: I just thought I'd say hi
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:07:19 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/693-8262, 9600-300

In <1992Jul22.160027.25546@Csli.Stanford.EDU>
kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut) writes:

>BTW Fafnir's birthday is coming up in a couple of weeks-- anyone who's
>been waiting with baited breath for the growth/weight/shed chart on
>her, all will be published then... :-)

        I'd be interested in that - I always wondered if my burm's growth
        was normal or not.  Confused (that's her name) grew from 2' to 6'
        in the first year that I had her.  After that, she's only grown
        about 3' in the last two years.  Of course, for the last 1.5 she's
        been brain-dead, due to a weird/funky disease or orther malady that
        she caught around Christmas time 1.5 years ago - she can't feed
        on her own and can only barely shed and drink.  The vets were stumped,
        and I've seen several, including some snake specialists at the Vet
        School here.  They were thinking it was paramixovirus (sp?), but
        the symptoms don't quite match up, and the only test they have for
        it is post-mortem!  Anyhoo, other than the above and lack of awareness
        and neck-control, she's as healthy as a horse.  I kept on thinking
        she'd die of whatever-it-was, especially if it was paramixo (no
        snake with that has lived, to my knowledge), but it looks like she'll
        live forever and ever.
From: ruska@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dave Ruska)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:28:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Snake color morphs ?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA