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From: scotts@cpqhou.compaq.com (Scott Shaffer @ Compaq Computer Corp.)
Subject: Re: 1948 Tiesco DelRay value?
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 23:00:17 GMT

in article <1992Nov20.165925.10049@cabezon.uucp>, larryh@cabezon.uucp (Larry Huntley) says:
> 
> In article <1992Nov18.185111.10839@odin.corp.sgi.com> archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com (Archer Sully) writes:
>>In <1992Nov17.233601.18005@cpqhou.compaq.com> scotts@cpqhou.compaq.com (Scott Shaffer @ Compaq Computer Corp.) writes:
>>
>>*I inherited a '48 Tiesco DelRay about a year ago
>>*
>>There's some decade deviation here.  The DelRay can't be a '48.  The
>>only solid-body being made at that time was the Fender Broadcaster 
>>(later renamed to the Telecaster).  '68 or '58 are much more likely 
>>for this guitar, assuming that the year for it does end in an 8.
> 
>     I'm suffering from either confusion or ignorance, here.  I was under
>     the impression that Teisco DelRays were a mid-sixties arrival, during
>     the "Everybody wants a guitar; let's sell this one at K-Marts" era.
>     Please, someone set me straight - I may have been bad-mouthing a ven-
>     erable member of the guitar history, but then examples I have seen
>     deserved the bad-mouthing they got.
> 
>     What's the truth?
> 
>     - Larry Huntley

OK, since I started this I guess I'll go ahead and set the record straight...

The Tiesco was in fact brought in starting in the early 60's.  Since I'm sure
the amp and guitar I'm talking about were bought at the same time, I think
1962 would be a good choice.  There are *NO* markings on either piece as to
date of mfg, so I simply went by my late grandfathers recolection (which, as
we see, wasn't so good).  But, thanks to a few kind and knowledgeable souls
out there, I now know the truth.  Also, a few went as to say that the 60's
Champ is worth between 150-250 depending, and the DelRay is almost worthless.

I seem to remember my grandfather also having a tweed front Fender amp with
only controls on the top, would that have been a '50s model?  I know somebody
out there e-mailed me what a 50's model looked like, but I don't remember now.
The body of the amp was maybe greenish/blue or torquise.

Thanks for all the responses!

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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar,alt.guitar
From: duane@tamsun.tamu.edu (Duane K Fields)
Subject: Buying a first acoustic guitar, guide?
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:27:21 GMT



I am about to buy my first guitar, an acoustic.  I am looking to spend
around $200 either used, or new.  I was wondering if any sort of "buyer's
guide" existed on the net, or if perhaps anyone had any suggestions on
what to look for as far as damage goes, what brand, etc.  I have done some
preliminary looking, and I have seen Ovations w/ pickups for like $279 new
(mailorder) so I am hopefull to find one without a pickup for a bit less.

Any help appreciated!

-duane

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From: brunetm@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Brunet Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Re: Will this amp die?
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:00:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <1992Nov16.204305.10191@iti.org> cdj@iti.org (Chris D. Jennings) writes:
>
>I have a Peavey Heritage amp with a solid state preamp and tube
>power amp.  I've been using it an average of one night per week at
>gig volume for about 7 years (after having bought it when it had
>been used by someone else for about a year).  I've noticed during
>the past year or so that the sound is not as clean as it used to be,
>so I'm assuming that the power amp tubes are nearing the end of
>their usefulness.  I like the sound I'm getting and hate to replace
>the tubes, but I also don't want to have my amp die in the middle of
>a gig.  Can anyone tell me: is this likely to happen if I continue
>to run these tubes, or will there be some kind of warning signs
>first (e.g. extreme degradation of the sound, microphonic squeal,
>etc.)?  Also, if the tubes went out at a gig but I had a spare set
>on hand, is replacing power tubes a simple job or is there biasing
>that needs to be done?  Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
>
I have tube amp and I change the power amp's tube every 6 month.If not,
it will reduce the efficient of the tubes. I see you're not using your
amp very much, but after 7 years may be your amp will be happy to have 
new cells to his brain...the sound will be cleaner and squicker than ever.
I use to have a fender twin who shut down during a gig. And I can tell you
that I wasn't glad. I think the warning signs was microphonic squeal with
the reverd. I thought it was the reverd section but the amp give me another
version of the idea. There gonna have less clean and less punch in your
sound.That's it!

{Electric CountryMan}
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: lrm28@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Fender? Supro-Anyone know what this is?
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:06:58 GMT

Well, I've seen a few of these come through our music store (part
time job).  Some of the confusion may be that some of the Supro
combo amps used the Jensen blue label speakers.  I have a '62
Gibson Falcon that has a 12" Jensen in it.  The Supros are
typically volume, tone, reberb, and optionally vibrato/tremolo.
Depending on condition, they sound warm and distort nicely.

Hope this helps.
-- 
Luke Mayercin  lrm28@cas.org  "Why does ear wax taste like it does?"
Chemical Abstracts Service is not responsible for these comments.
From: nvats@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Ibanez Artist series
Date: 22 Nov 92 23:45:30 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Hi all,


I'm looking for opinions on the Ibanez artist (AS200 etc.) line of guitars.
I am looking for a "jazz guitar" without that muted tone of a full-sized
hollowbody.  How's the quality of the instrument, in terms of sound,
  manufacturing, etc?.

Also, I would like to confirm that Ibanez still makes these guitars in left-
handed models, as I have heard conflicting stories on this...

If anyone has an idea on the price of a lefty (or right-handed model for
that matter) either from Canada or the States, please let me know so
that I may compare to local prices...r

Please e-mail me,

Thanks in advance,

Nipun Vats,
Physics Department, Dalhousie University
e-mail: nvats@ac.dal.ca

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar,alt.guitar
From: dweber@lark.qualcomm.com (Dan Weber)
Subject: Gibson Oddity
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:50:03 GMT

            Hi All!

         
          Over the weekend I picked up an inexpensive Gibson with
         case ($300.00) which I have never seen before. I do not 
         doubt it's authenticity however because a good friend of
         mine who does guitar repair says he remembers seeing 
         something similar in the early 80's.
          What it is; is a Arctic white Explorer with three P-90
         pickups, two 3-way toggles, and one volume & one tone
         control. The serial no. is 83394523 and it says MADE IN
         USA beneath the serial on the headstock. Does any one know
         anything about this? I just love this guitar! ( And I'm
         a devout Strat player!



         Dano


         dweber@lark.qualcomm.com

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar,alt.guitar
From: chhabra@pike.cis.ohio-state.edu (Tall Cool One)
Subject: Poor Man's Studio: What to do?
Summary: Recording Acoustic Guitar
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:51:34 GMT

THE SITUATION:
Ok, here's the deal... I need to record some songs(Acoustic) for someone I
know.. I have a SONY dual cassette recorder with a jack for a mic. What I
have done is record the guitar part(since its an acoustic-electric, I simply
plug it into my sony. Once I have the guitar part on tape I put that tape
on the play side and put a blank on the record side. I have this cheap
5-10$ microphone from radio shack which I plug into the the jack. I wear a set
of headphones to listen to my guitar part and I sing on my cues and record
using the tape-to-tape dubbing switch which all dual-decks have... What I get
is a quality recording of my guitar and my voice on the blank.

THE PROBLEM: 
The guitar part is crisp and clear. But I have to almost yell in
the microphone to raise my voice over the guitar. This doesn't sound too good
because I'm not no heavy metal singer or anything and with the acoustic I want
to sing more lightly and to be heard. You think buying a better microphone
($50-$75) would inrease the amplitude of the vocals?? Any other suggestions??
Need help....

-Ashim
From: cs491122@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs491122)
Subject: Help:  how to get The Shadows (UK) recordings.
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:11:23 GMT


'lo there:

is there someone, particularly from UK, who's familiar with
	the group The Shadows?
	they've been around since early '60s.
	everyone who knows The Shadows loves 'em,
	esp. Hank Marvin, the lead guitarist.
none of the local record stores i tried know of 'em.
if anyone out there knows anything about how to get The Shadows material
	from US through mail order, plz, i need help big time!

thanx,
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: tjs@eecs.umich.edu (tim stanley)
Subject: Pickup positions; pick hits middle pickup
Organization: University of Michigan
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:35:45 GMT


I find the recent thread about an individual players audible "style
noise" quite interesting as I have a similar situation playing one of
my guitars.  There are two sorts of extraneous noise that I make:

	1.  Percussive noise with my right hand damping and
	rhythmically. banging the strings.  This is my problem
	and under my control.  To me, it seems to sound good live,
	and bad recorded, whether it is on an acoustic or electric.

	2.  My pick sometimes hits the middle pickup.  This is the
	real problem I can't seem to control.

Here is the background:

I own two (decent) electric guitars - an old cherry Gibson SG I have
owned since 1976 with 2 PAFs and a newer highly-doctored black Korean
Fender Squire II with 3 pickups.  I learned to play on the SG, and my
right hand style involves resting the meaty part of the base of my
hand at, or just behind, the bridge.  Thus, my pickup attack is
centered between the two pickups and I can damp/undamp the strings in
a style I like.  I have played for 18 years or so, never been a pro,
and I can pick pretty fast.  In fact, I can pick faster than is
musically useful.  And, damn, that sure is fun ;-).

On the 3-pickup Strat, the pick is directly over the middle pickup.
Often, the pick actually hits the pickup and this drives me nuts.
Now, you are probably saying one of three things: a) lower your
pickup; or b) how can you pick fast if you take the pick attack deep
enough to hit the pickup; or c) move your right hand to a position
between a pair of pickups.

To a), I say, the pickup is not that close the the strings.

To b), I say, "I don't know how I do it".  It just annoys me.

To c), I say that any other right hand position is just not
comfortable for me.  I don't know why, it just isn't, it simply
doesn't feel right.  OK, so maybe I am being a little inflexible.

Here are the questions - I realize these are all a matter of personal
taste - but let me know what do you do:

Anyone else have this pick and pickup problem and a solution?

How close do you put your pickups to the strings and why?
Traditional wisdom says 2/32 to 3/32 lower than the strings - agree?
I know that too close can cause intonation problems on the lower
strings due to the mag-fields.
So, what is your conventional wisdom in this regard?

Is pickup string distance a function of which pickup it is?

Do you tilt one end of any pickups closer to the strings than
the other and why?

How do you stagger your adjustable pole-pieces on single coils?
How do you stagger your adjustable pole-pieces on humbuckers such
as the PAFs with 6 individual pole-pieces?
How do you stagger your adjustable pole-pieces on humbuckers
such as DiMarzio SuperDistortion with 12 individual pole-pieces?
How close, then, are the tops of the pole-pieces to the strings,
and how close is the pickup case?

Regards and thanks in advance for any info,

T
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:10:31 -0500 
From: "Andrew W. White" <aw37+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: roland jc120 problems


I have a roland jc120 that's about ten years old, and for a while the
chorus has been making some weird "swishy" noises. Has anyone else had
this problem?  Does anyone know how I can fix it?  What happens when the
intoxication of sucess has evaporated?
See ya 
andy
 
frank zappa and henry rollins are gods
From: abubakar@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Zulhisham B Abubakar)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Re: Problem with Charvel acoustic
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:32:50 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov12.224400.23526@polaris.utu.fi> eepee@polaris.utu.fi (Esa-Pekka P{lvim{ki) writes:
>I recently purchased a Charvel (don't remember the model just now) 6-string

         *erased stuff*

>But now I'm getting really pissed off at the whole thing: I took it back to
>the store to get the saddle changed to a higher one (the strings were far
>too low and made a hell of a noise), OK, that got better. But now it's 
>harder than ever to tune, and the low E string is very sensitive to the
      
                  *also erased stuff*

>Let's hear it - have I bought a piece of junk? Or am I just using too
>thin strings? Or what? I'm sure there's plenty of experts on the net



   I bought a Charvel Acoustic Electric model 625C a couple of weeks ago,
and I must say, I think that it is just an absolutely great guitar.  No, I
don't have any trouble with the action at it's present condition.  I don't
intend to tamper with it's physiques at all.  I would personally think
that you would be better off not changing the saddle, but cause you didn't
specify what gauge of strings you were using before the change, I won't
persevere.
    Anyways, I think you should have sought a higher gauge set of strings
in the first place.  Now, I'm using 10's for my acoustic.  That is hardly
heavy but it doesn't pose any problems to me as far as action is
concerned.  It sounds a little trebly (of course...) but it is great for
playing acoustic leads.  Also, I have another guitar at hand that uses
11's so I can turn to that for fatter sound.
   I must say, that I have no idea whatsoever why you have difficulty
tuning your guitar now.  This is a long shot, but maybe your new saddle is
not fixed very steadily, causing movement and distortion to the strings????
Try going to the guitar store and get some advice.  They should know more
and it would help to have the acoustic in question in hand to examine.
Good luck with your quest.  

Zul

"To each his own, and to own is nice ... "


Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: barsz@bnr.ca (Peter Barszczewski)
Subject: Re: On tubes vs. transistors; a few misconceptions revealed
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
	<1ef6m3INN1qs@gap.caltech.edu>
	<19NOV92.13208375.0095@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:32:25

In article <19NOV92.13208375.0095@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> META000 <META@UNB.CA> writes:

   Yes, it is probably true that the
   potential for failure is greater in tube designs, but short of
   serious abuse, I suspect that many of us can go for VERY long stretches
   of time without the need for repair or maintenance of tube amps.
   Indeed, there is probably more to worry about with regard to lousy
   jacks, blown speakers, noisy controls, and loose switches, than
   there is to worry about things pertinentto tube-based designs.

One thing that has been overlooked is that old tube amp designs are quite
simple, my '63 Fender bassman has about 50 parts and thats it.  It is also
built like the proverbial brick-sh*thouse.  If I was to throw it down a
flight of stairs, the wood casing would be dented and the tubes would be
smashed, that is about it.  It has the best soldering job I've ever seen,
heavy guage wires and heavy perf-board, not a printed circuit board with
skinny little tracks that can crack with excess heat/humidty or a good
tossing down the stairs.  It is true that the power caps had to be replaced
and every 2-3 years I have to replace a tube or 2, but that is a component
problem, not a design problem.  The reliability issue is more a question of
the good manufacturing ethics and small factories of Leo Fender, Jim
Marshall, et al. than today's mass-produced stuff.

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From: sihd_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dan Shimmyo)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Re: Speaker Simulator Boxes for Recording
Date: 23 Nov 92 02:03:17 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Nov22.191502.8759@cs.umb.edu> garym@cs.umb.edu (Gary MacDougall) writes:

>In article <1992Nov19.203054.2869@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> wfsq_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Billy the Kidd) writes:
>>
>>
>>	Secondly, I noticed that the bass track seems to 'click' at every
>>attack point.  As I checked all of the line levels very carefully, I noticed
>>that it was not a setting, it was from the bass.  The pickups are actives, 
>>but their battery was just replaced.  Could it be the way that the bass player
>>was playing?
>>
>>	Billy Kidd
>>
>>	


>but more of a "style" thing. We came to this conclusion since we could not 
>hear this "noise" on stage, we only heard it on tape or through the PA (loud).. 
>What actually was happening was interesting:
>When our bass player stepped off the stage to listen to the sound, I played
>his bass for him so he could walk around and listen, when I played the noise 
>STOPPED! when he came back up and played it came back. 
>Our conclusion was this: 
>The bass players style was more of a hammering method on the strings where I
>had more of a passive strumming method. What was happening was that the strings
>action were set too low for his style. Since his style required more height on
>the strings so that they wouldn't vibrate and touch one of the pickups which 
>caused the clicking noise.

>Gary

If it was touching the pickups, that's one thing ,but theres something else
pretty important about this style.  Some players whose right hand technique is
real close to the neck like the sort of percussive sound they get from the 
bass. It usually sounds pretty good thru some overdriven preamp. I think Geddy
Lee used to play this way. It doesn't sound like it anymore. Anyway, I used to
hate the way it sounded when my friend played this way because of the lack of
clarity of attack but now when I record, I like it better because without
a preamp, it makes a sort of naturally overdriven sound. I'm sure the sound
has a lot to do with the type of EQ you're putting the bass thru.
  I guess the bottom line is, play with the board and analyze the bass player's
style and you'll figure it out a lot faster than anyone reading about it here.
Good luck.
Dan.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: sts@mfltd.co.uk (Steve Sherwood (x5354))
Subject: Re: YNGWIE MALMSTEEN
Reply-To: sts@icebox.UUCP (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Organization: Micro Focus Ltd., Newbury, UK
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:27:05 GMT

In article <92323.124950KAP118@psuvm.psu.edu> Kevin Polcovich <KAP118@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Just wanted to get everyone's input on Yngwie. How do you rank him with other
>guitarists-he's at the very top of my list. For those who say "you can't
>compare guitarists" don't respond. Thanks, Kevin


-- 

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From: kimple@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Re: Your advice...
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:14:35 GMT
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <dxk21.165.721891335@po.cwru.edu>, dxk21@po.cwru.edu (Dave K.) writes:
> 
> 
>    Suppose a person who is a fan of rock n roll/heavy metal came up
> to you and said that they just bought a new electric guitar and amp.
> What would be you advice for this person in terms of what to work on/play
> first?
> 
> dk
> 


Get a distortion pedal, learn barre chords, and turn it up!

hee hee hee

okay, maybe not the best way, but it sure is fun at times!

jd
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: npstewar@eos.ncsu.edu (NATHAN PHILLIP STEWART)
Subject: Re: Duplicating Marshall heads...
Originator: npstewar@c00725-239rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: npstewar@eos.ncsu.edu (NATHAN PHILLIP STEWART)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:49:31 GMT


I've always wanted to do this, but never got to it.  Try the Tube Amp Book III
from Groove Tubes ($25-$30) at your local music store.  I've got the older one,
but I've seen the new one.  It's loaded with even more schematics, lots of cool
pictures, and a more thorough tube theory section than previously. (Actually I
wasn't all that impressed with Pittman's theoretical explanations before, but he
does have good taste IMHO.)

The most difficult part of this type of project is trying to get the proper
transformers.  You can get sockets and components from various major electronics
mail order houses.  Sorry, but don't remember any names right now.  If you can't
find tube sockets, I think there are several relays that use the same sockets as
the major tube types for guitar amps, so look for them there if you don't see
them at first.

npstewar@eos.ncsu.edu
Nathan Stewart
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: npstewar@eos.ncsu.edu (NATHAN PHILLIP STEWART)
Subject: Re: feedback...make it go away
Originator: npstewar@c00724-239rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: npstewar@eos.ncsu.edu (NATHAN PHILLIP STEWART)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:49:14 GMT


There are two probable sources for your feedback problem (Three if your amp is 
tube).  The first comes from your amp - a lot of amps will go into self oscill-
ation at extreme volume/tone setting, especially if you have active eq stages.
If this is the problem, you may have to reduce your tone/gain/volume settings 
for it to go away.

The second source is from your pickups - if the coil windings
are loose, they will go into microphonic feedback - which sounds a lot like what
you are discribing.  Better pickups (or at least noise free ones) are "potted" -
dipped in some type of epoxy/wax type substance that prevents the coils from
moving.  What happens is that your volume settings can cause the coil windings
to vibrate - which the pickup senses just like any other magnetic disturbance 
and outputs it to your amp- and voila feedback.

I don't think the bandit is tube, but in case anyone else is reading with a
similar problem, a bad preamp tube can alse give this problem.  Try swapping the
higher gain (probably the first tube in the signal path -closest to the input)
stages with a known good tube - or at least with one that sees less
abuse - like a reverb return stage etc.

PS. If the problem is your amp/settings try a couple things to reduce the
extreme settings, like a (you didn't hear me say it) Distortion pedal, or
different speakers with more bottom and more bite - like a 210 cabinet.