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From: gjackson@us.oracle.com (Gregg Jackson)
Subject: Re: Dressing up an HO-scale Docksider
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:45:58 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Aug12.193212.469@hubcap.clemson.edu> jtthorp@hubcap.clemson.edu (J. T. Thorpe) writes:
>I have an old Lifelike (gasp!) Docksider that I would like to fix up.
>
>3.  I tried to replace the horn-hook couplers with Kadee #5's, but there
>    is no box, and the coupler mechanism is held in place with a plastic
>    pin that is actually a part of the loco frame.  My idea is to cut
>    the frame up a little, and put in the box that is provided w/Kadee
>    couplers--can any one give me some advice?
>
>Thanks!
>
>JT Thorpe
>
A couple of years ago I refitted my beloved Tyco Mantua 0-4-0 (my first HO 
locomotive from 35 years ago) with Kadee couplers. Based on my experience, I
would recommend that you check the Kadee section of the Walther's catalog
before you buy any couplers. Kadee provides a table listing the recommended
couplers for many different manufacturers locomotives and cars. Based on this
table, I used a #5 for the tender and a #7 on the pilot. The #7 has a little
downward kink in its whachmacallit (shaft? arm?) so that the coupler pocket
can sit lower on the frame, assuming that you are mounting the coupler from
the bottom. Using the #7 in this case save me a lot of filing. (As an aside, I 
also used the mate to this #7 on the front end of my Athern F7A recently,
another handy application.)

Good luck.

Gregg W. Jackson, Oracle Corporation
From: 31ochs@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Experiences with Greenway Products?
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:49:40 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Aug11.230455.25400@cid.aes.doe.CA>, afsidgb@cidsv07.Berkeley.EDU (Gerard Burridge) writes:
> In article <1992Aug07.235028.14080@CS.ORST.EDU>, larsons@xanth.CS.ORST.EDU (Larson Shawn Michael) writes:
> |> In article <17050@ulysses.att.com> smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:
> |> 
> |> I have used both water and denatured alcohol as airbrush thinner with
> |> 
>     ......
> |> Denatured alcohol works better as a thinner.  It evaporates much more
> |> quickly than water, and so can be used on primer-ed or nonporous
> |> surfaces.  The paint does separate from the alcohol after a while, so
> |> mix it right before airbrushing.  It's probably no more toxic than
> |> Polly S thinner, as flammable, and a whole lot cheaper.
> 
> Is there another name for denatured alcohol?  Every hardware or
> drugstore where I inquire about it does not know anything by THAT
> particular name. I have been to.d that it cannot be rubbing alcohol
> because this is not pure, but has had oil added.
> I can get alcohol at the liquor store for mixes. Could this be the
> same stuff?

Might it be Isopropyl Alcohol???
Just a guess,

Fred
From: larsons@mundania.CS.ORST.EDU (Larson Shawn Michael)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Denatured Alcohol (Re: Experiences with Greenway Products?)
Keywords: denatured alcohol
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:28:59 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University

In article <1992Aug11.230455.25400@cid.aes.doe.CA> afsidgb@cid.aes.doe.CA
writes:

>Is there another name for denatured alcohol?  Every hardware or
>drugstore where I inquire about it does not know anything by THAT
>particular name. I have been to.d that it cannot be rubbing alcohol
>because this is not pure, but has had oil added.
>I can get alcohol at the liquor store for mixes. Could this be the
>same stuff?
>-- 
> Gerry Burridge                        afsidgb@cid.aes.doe.ca
> Canadian Meteorological Centre        Tel.: 514-421-4646
> 2121 North Service Road - #404        Fax.: 514-421-4639
> Dorval, Que.  -  H9P 1J3                             

The liquor store doesn't sell denatured alcohol, though some moonshiners
occasionally did.  Denatured alcohol is ethanol denatured with methanol,
a very nasty mixture to drink.  Drinking it causes, among other things,
blindness.

Though far less toxic than some other thinners (read: acetone), the same
standard safety precautions apply - don't drink it, don't breath it, don't
touch it, and don't get it in your eyes.

You can find denatured alcohol as a variety of products.  It is used as
shellac thinner, and as a fuel for alcohol stoves.  It is also sometimes
used as a cleaner for porcelain, jewelry, glass, etc., though not for
anything that has a laquer finish.

Rubbing alcohol is different from denatured alcohol - it is isopropyhl
alcohol, which is (I believe) diluted with distilled water.  I wouldn't
know about any oil in it.  I've never used isoprophyl alcohol as a
thinner, and don't know if it would work.  Have any adventurous souls
tried thinning paint with the stuff?

To find denatured alcohol, you should try the hardware stores again and
look at the shellac thinners for their contents.  Also, drop by your
sporting goods stores and check around the camping stoves.  I picked up
my bottle at my local Bi-Mart store.

Good Luck!
--------
Shawn Larson - larsons@storm.cs.orst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: sra@bistromath.mitre.org (Stan R. Ames)
Subject: Re: Cleaning Brass Rails
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:02:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.082503.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> wrbanek@fnalf.fnal.gov writes:
>My parents have an HO layout made of old brass track which is too dirty to run. 
Actualy you might try applying LPS-1 to the track.  I used to apply it
with an old rag but there are some great!!! new track cleaning cars on the 
market that roll a wet rag over the layout.  The combination of
LPS-1 and this rolling track cleaning car eliminate dirty track.

Stan


From: liggett@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Bob Liggett)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:02:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Drysuit recommendations?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

Anything from Ronney falls apart very soon!! Also the Ronney is cut wrong,
short from croch to shoulder, and skinny in the arms. 
I like my Gul alot, I have friends that say O'Neil is the best.  I think Body Glove
is quite good also.
From: thall@Ingres.COM (Trevor Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Light wind waterstarts
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:01:04 GMT
Reply-To: thall@Ingres.COM (Trevor Hall)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

In article <10148@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> kenb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger) writes:
>It's also one of the most polluted areas of the Columbia.  Lot's of
>Dioxin from nearby pulp mills in Longview and other nasty things in
>the water there......

That means there won't be any sharks there.  Oh sorry, Columbia's fresh
water anyway.  Isn't that near where you have the radioactive salmon?

I need some help with light wind ( < 10kts ) waterstarts.  I can't seem
to get the sail high enough to get up onto the board.  I'm thinking it's
because I'm putting my foot onto the board too early, that what I really
need to do is fly the sail until it pulls me right next to the board, then 
step up.

Or am I doing it _completely_ wrong?

--
 +-----+ Trevor Hall                       :-)		Humor
 |    #| Database Engineer                 :-]  	Sarcasm
 |     | Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.    :-+*(*&^ 	Muscle spasm
 +-----+ thall@sequent.com                
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: edwilson@leland.Stanford.EDU (Edward Wilson)
Subject: Re: HELP!:  Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 17:08:04 GMT


Thanks everyone for your posts and email regarding my CTS problem.

I knew I had to find out if it was the windsurfing or the extra 
computer time that was causing it, so I took last Friday off and 
windsurfed Fri and Sat.  It seemed to get better, so I've decided 
that it's primarily the typing that causes the problems.  I'm now 
using a computer wrist pad, and plan to be more aware of preventing 
this in the future.  

My non-Kaiser Stanford Med Center Doctor confirmed this and 
recommended taking Advil and reducing wrist stress if it flares up 
again.

Boy am I relieved to know I don't have to back off on windsurfing - 
I was really worried there for a while.

Thanks again for the advice, and if anyone wants a summary, I saved 
all the articles - email me and I'll send them to you.

Ed
ed@sun-valley.stanford.edu
From: kenb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Gorge Trip Report
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:53:01 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <1992Aug20.211035.23800@mlb.semi.harris.com> mwp@ms9.mis.semi.harris.com (Mark W. Poole) writes:
>Pat and Mark's Excellent Gorge Adventure (long)
>I learned that everyone in the gorge is a weather expert, not everyone
>can do gybes and forwards, and that the barges don't sound their 
>horns until someone is about to die.  Saturday I was on a port tack 
>zipping to the Washington side when all of a sudden I noticed a barge 
>less than 100 yards upwind from me.  I was so "zenned" that I had 
>never seen it coming.  Then it blew its horn.  I missed my gybe in 


Those barge HONKKKKS send shivers down your spine when they are that
close don't they? :)  I really appreciate when a barge pilot honks
when he is approaching the general area of popular launch sites.
Some really do.

>The gorge is great.  It doesn't always blow but it does when it does.
>We survived the swells, the barges, met some of the "greats", 
>and with a $250 voucher in our hands...
>
>WE'LL BE BACCCCCCK!!!  

I'm glad you guys enjoyed your trip.  I'm also sorry we never hooked
up.  Maybe next time.

I really enjoyed your trip report.  Well done!


Ken "looking forward to the next 3 days in the Gorge" Berger
From: kenb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Gorge News
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:31:13 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <6579@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> wiltonh@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Wilton G Hart) writes:
>The tunnel near Lyle Washington caved in last week and I heard that some 
>people were injured by running into the rocks.  This made Dougs Beach 
>a long drive so there were not many people sailing there.  Does anyone know
>how bad the people were hurt or any more detail about this accident?
>--------

I sailed at Doug's West on Friday and was the only sailor there.
There were only about 10 cars at Doug's.  I don't know many more
details, but I did read the article in the Oregonian about the cave
in.  Talk about being at the wrong place at the wrong time!  The
family that smashed into the rock pile was taken to the hospital,
but the injuries didn't sound life threating or anything.

Saturday and Sunday I wavesailed at Manzanita.  On Saturday it was
blowing hard enough for me to sail my 8'3" with a 4.5.  The waves
were small.  Sunday had lighter wind but bigger waves.  I sailed on
my 8'10" with a 5.0 rigged full.  A great weekend of wavesailing!

How did the Gorge do on Sunday?

Ken
From: ktc@onan.jhuapl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: ColumBUD, Ohio
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:37:41 GMT
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

_______________________________________________________________________________ 
______
> Michael Rah
> THE Ohio State University    Columbud, Ohio
> rah@cis.ohio-state.edu

Got that right...                   ^^^

Kim Constantikes
(Formerly from) Ohio (NOOOO, NOT STATE) University
ktc@onan.jhuapl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: krueger@ssd.comm.mot.com (Kevin Krueger)
Subject: Reference to alt.surfing	
Reply-To: krueger@ssd.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola LMPS
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:38:25 GMT
Keywords: ftp site

Since my site is regulated and we do not receive any alt.net stuff, I was
wondering if there is an ftp site for the alt.surfing group.  If so,
where is it and what does it contain ?  

By the way, why are some groups alt.this and alt.that and other groups
are rec.another ?  Just wondering.

Kevin
From: henrik@mpci.llnl.gov (Henrik Klagges)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Sharpen your fins, today is going to be good ...
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:53:01 GMT

Hey dudes, by all means today seems to be cranking up - fog at the
coast & 100+ inland - the wind is already good now - oh man !

Cheers, Henrik
From: leo@wk69.nas.nasa.gov (Leo Dagum)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Ladies Shortie Wetsuit for sale
Date: 15 Aug 92 00:09:23 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA


I have an O'Neil, ladies shortie wet suit, size medium, 2mm/1mm thick.
Pink with yellow trim, good for windsurfing or going in the ocean here 
in the summer.  I originally got it for my girlfriend, but she didn't
care for the water too much.  It's been used maybe twice.  Should fit
someone between 5'5" and 5'8" and medium build. 

Original cost was $130, I'm asking $75

Leo Dagum
(415) 604-4779  (9:00-6:00)
(415) 508-8369  (otherwise)
leo@nas.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: tmclain@sun-valley.Stanford.EDU (Tim McLain)
Subject: WANTED: used transition board
Organization: stanford
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 19:18:36 GMT


Despite the recent postings discouraging the purchase of transition boards, I am looking
to purchase one.  I am a beginner/intermediate sailor (trained by Edward "tingly fingers"
Wilson).  I can plane on a long board and do long board jibes and tacks without much
problem.  I have no experience with a harness or foot straps.  My wife, who would be a
secondary user, is still very much a beginner.  I am 6'5", 185 lbs.  My wife is 5'7", 
120 lbs.  Since we are on a limited budget, I would like to kill two birds with one
stone and buy something we could both use and enjoy (until we save more $$$).

I am looking for something like a Fanatic Bat, F2 Comet, or Bic Rhumba -- something
along those lines (~10-10.5 ft, 160-170 liters).  Also, any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Tim
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: knabe@ECRC.DE (Fritz Knabe)
Subject: Re: Moving Equipment
Organization: European Computer-Industry Research Centre
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:35:34 GMT

I've taken my stuff on planes. Your best bet is to get a board travel bag.
These have thick foam walls and aren't cheap -- expect to pay in the $300
range. The best travel bags I've ever seen were from South Sailboards in Key
West (they made them there), and were utterly bulletproof. I've got one.
Unfortunately, South Sailboards is out of business.  I've also got a bag
from Visual Speed (which is still in business :-). The Visual Speed one
isn't as sturdy, but it seems okay. In both cases the bags I have are large
enough that I can also put sails, booms, masts, etc. inside them as well.

Don't try the cardboard and tape route -- I did once and ended up getting a
hole in my previously pristine board :-(

The airlines charge in the neighborhood of $25 to $50 for a board bag, one-way.

Fritz Knabe
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing,ba.market.misc
From: vkapur@tiebreak.mentorg.com (Vikas Kapur)
Subject: windsurfing equipment for sale
Originator: vkapur@tiebreak
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 03:58:53 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Mentor Graphics 
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 


*1988 Seatrend sailboard 8' 8" / with boom / - $ 190
This board has a small dent on one side. It
is in good shape otherwise
* Ampro mast /15' 4"/ one piece - $100
* Yakima roof rack with locks - rails are
 about 4.5' - $ 145. Rack is about a year old
 and is in good shape.

Call or email. The best return address is vikas_kapur@mentorg.com
--
Vikas Kapur
EDA Development
Structural Synthesis -- 408 736 8027 [h], 408 451 5698 [w]

-- 
Vikas Kapur		| Voice: 408 451 5698
EDA Development Engineer| Email: (PL USE THIS) vikas_kapur@mentorg.com
Structural Synthesis Grp| Disclaimer blah blah....................blah
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral)
Subject: sails
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:09:10 GMT


This is in response to an email from Enrico Bocchieri. I cannot get through
to you via email (mail bounces back). I still have the following sails
available and are in like new condition. Send me your phone number or call me.
I will be at the USWA nationals this week so I won't be around until next
monday. The truth is I haven't advertised these sails except for a couple
times here on the net. I plan to place a local ad in the papers after next week.
So, here is your (net boardheads) chance at basement prices :-)


Race Sails (monofilm with 3 cambers):
1992	11.0	Aerotech Race		$350 (used only twice)
1992	8.2	ART Race Pro		$300
1992	5.3	ART Slalom Pro		$200

Slalom sails:
1991	6.0	UP Slalom (mono,1 cam)	$195
1990	4.5	Aerotech Slalom		$115

-- 
Felix Cabral         {felixc@mtgzfs3.att.com}      "Give me nukin winds,
AT&T Bell Labs       {  att!mtgzfs3!felixc  }       a rad board, rad waves,
Middletown,NJ        {     (908)957-5081    }       and a company sickday!"
From: markn@assisi.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Gloves and Blisters
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:16:07 GMT
Reply-To: markn@assisi.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass)
Organization: Olivetti Research California

> Do you have any advice regarding gloves? I think my palms were getting
> chewed up by uphauling, as well as gripping the boom intensely when I was
> fully powered up.
> 


  I bought a pair of gloves called trophy or they are made by trophy and they 
wok great. I had always hated gloves because they made the boom feel
huge, but I
went on  trip to the Gorge for a week and hadn't sailed in about 5 weeks, so I
got them to protect my hands. I have been using them ever since. They
are pretty
thin so the boom feels the same size and they grip the boom so well that my
forearms "never" get tired anymore. 

Mark Nass
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 03:14:07 GMT
Subject: Re: HELP!:  Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

Doesn't surprise me that Kaiser Dr's don't know squat about CTS.

Anyway, I talked to alot of "experts" about it to see how to avoid it
at work and windsurfing.  The MAIN clue is CTS is often called something
like Repetitive_Stress_Injuries.  Early typists on old fashoned typewriters
didn't get it so how come computer hacks get it?  Answer is "the carriage
return".  It seems that hitting the carriage return every 80 strokes is 
sufficiently different as to not cause RSI's.  Applying this to windsurfing,
I started to switch my hand position on the booms at regular intervals and
the RSI pain vanished.  Going from over-hand to under-handed grip is all
it takes.  I change as soon as I feel any fatigue in my wrist which is
maybe 5 or 10 minutes on a long reach.

Good posture and a proper chair also help my back when working at a terminal.
Since I don't have a carriage return to bang, I just don't type too long without
doing a different motion with my hands.

Hope this helps
Kirk out
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: bw@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Bruce White 3807)
Subject: Gloves and Blisters
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 19:57:16 GMT

>Another important thing to concentrate on is not gripping the boom.  Put 
>the majority of the stress on your harness and a light touch with your 
>hands.  One way to accomplish this is to sail with your thumbs resting
>on the boom and holding the boom with just your finger tips.
>
>Bill Martinson
>US-940
>

Thanks for the tip Bill. I sailed the last two days and I've got blisters
just below my fingers (both hands) and two blisters on my fingers (right hand).

I started to feel pain yesterday but didn't want to stop sailing. While
in the water, I was trying to sail by only holding the boom with my fingers
because my palms were really aching. 

I found it a fairly hard to stay in control during gusts. 

Do you have any advice regarding gloves? I think my palms were getting
chewed up by uphauling, as well as gripping the boom intensely when I was
fully powered up.

--- Bruce
From: staehli@cse.ogi.edu (Richard Staehli)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Light wind waterstarts
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:00:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.41266
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

If the wind is really light, try grabbing the mast 
halfway between boom and base with your
forward hand and hold the boom with your back hand.
The hand on the mast allows you to fly the sail up
till it's nearly perpendicular, at which point you
can pull/step up in a vertical movement onto the
board.  You just might be amazed at how easy works.
Of course you still have to have enough wind to
float the weight of the sail.  Try moving the booms
a little lower as well.  In underpowered conditions
I find it more comfortable to have the booms at chest
level.

Also, your foot should should be near the middle of
the board as you step up.  Good luck!

Richard Staehli
Oregon Graduate Institute
19600 N.W. von Neumann Drive, Beaverton, OR 97006-1999
internet: staehli@cse.ogi.edu    phone: (503) 690-1009
From: malcolm@ksr.com (Malcolm Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: windsurfing vacations
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:28:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: ksr.14963
Distribution: usa
Organization: Kendall Square Research Corp.


I am planning on taking a windsurfing vacation to Aruba in October or
December. Does anyone have any recommendations for vacation package 
companies (Vela, Sailbaord Vacations, ...), the best month to choose, 
any other suggestions.

Malcolm
malcolm@ksr.com
From: rolf@ames.ucsd.edu (Rolf Schreiber)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Holier than thou, was Re:Fins-Spins etc.
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:42:14 GMT
Organization: U.C. San Diego, AMES Department


Apologies to the surfing crowd if my previous post came across as condescending
and inflammatory. I did not intend to put a derogatory on alt.surfing (yes, Lud,
I am a regular reader)... I was merely alluding to my observations of flame
wars on that group, which tend to degrade into name-calling and other very
inflammatory stuff that should be email-only.

CORRECTION MODE ON:
alt.surfing is for the most part very well behaved and has high entertainment
value (especially from the Aussie postings). In fact, most of the crap I see
is from California, where I think the locals-only attitude is the worst. Lud
is correct, surfing and windsurfing have a lot of cross-participants and it's
important to foster cooperation between the two groups. We share the same
ocean(s) and the breaks get more crowded every day. Luckily for me, whenever
it's windy enough to surf-sail, it's not worth surfing so I don't have the
dilemma of choosing which one I'd rather do. In this group, everyone pretty
much understands the windsurfing addiction. Surfing on an epic day brings
about the same euphoria as a good day of sailing, plus it has simplicity
component (no rigging, etc.) that's hard to beat.

Also, Lud writes:
>> [me] I'm all too familiar with aggressive, anti-local, anti-kook 
>> [me] attitudes that come from surfing where there are too many people and too
>       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>few waves (this covers about any beach in SoCal).

>Those attitude's don't come from surfing...
I didn't mean to imply that these attitudes come from the sport of surfing
itself - obviously the phenomenon is found anywhere there are too many people
and too few resources. Unfortunately, that is about every sport I do... :-(
Anti-social, aggressive behavior has been documented time and time again in
most animal overpopulations - man seems to be the only species that voluntarily
overpopulates its territory.

Enough rambling, sign me just another windwanker/surfer.

				- Rolf