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From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: The Scottish National Anthem (was Re: The story of the Scottish flag)
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:34:39 GMT


Suggestions for Scotlands national anthem : 
Both sides the Tweed
Suas leis a' Gha\idhlig is quite rousing too.

A number of people have asked me for the words to Flower of Scotland. Here
they are.

1.  O flower of Scotland            
    When will we see                
    Your like again                 
    That fought and died for        
    Your wee bit hill and glen      
    And stood against him           
    Proud Edward's army             
    And sent him homeward           
    Tae think again                 

2.  The hills are bare now          
    And autumn leaves lie thick and still
    O'er land that is lost now      
    Which those so dearly held      
    And stood against him           
    Proud Edward's army             
    And sent him homeward           
    Tae think again                 

3.  Those days are passed now       
    And in the past they must remain
    But we can still rise now       
    And be the nation again         
    That stood against him          
    Proud Edward's army             
    And sent him homeward           
    Tae think again                 


    (Words and music:  Roy Williamson)


To get a rhyming version of this in Gaelic (it fits the tune), please contact:
John Angus Macleod (Iain Aonghas MacLeoid) at
5 Berkeley Crescent, Lydney, Gloucestershire, GL15 5SH  England
Tel: 0594 842750

John Angus did the translation and it's in one of his books.

He's also done Gaelic versions of "Mull of Kintyre" "The Dark Isle"
and "Bridge over Troubled Water"

Does anyone have the words to Amazing Grace in Gaelic?

Craig

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: fsmlm2@acad3.alaska.edu (Rebelheart)
Subject: silly kid rhymes
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC
Keywords:  Skinny Malinky
Organization: R.E.B.E.L.H.E.A.R.T.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 06:14:00 GMT

Okay you guys help me out here, for 18 years now, my husband who was born in
Blairgowrie, Scotland (Rattray actually) has recited a rhyme but 
for the life of him ( and yes I do mean life as I damn near want to choke 
him with frustrations of not knowing...) can he remember the last verse...
the poem is maybe from Glasgow, or Dundee heritage.

        Skinny Malinky long legs
        Umbrella feet
        Went to the pictures
        And couldnae find a seat
        when the picture started
        Skinny Malinky farted  
        When the picture ended,
        Skinny Malinky ???????????????????

Please!!!!!!   someone out there HAS to know what he did!
Its been keeping me awake now for 18 years..... (well okay.. maybe not)
but I sure would love to know what the hell he did.

Thanks in advance and by the way all the best for the holidays

Mel Mckay 

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Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 1992 00:38:58 EST
From: <ABOZE@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Help: Royal titles and succession to throne

I apologize if this has been discussed before, but I seldom read this group.
I was discussing this with a friend and need help settling the matter.

1) Assuming Charles and Diana had not separated, would they be King
   Charles and _Princess_ Diana or _Queen_ Diana if Charles became king?
   My friend insists she would remain a princess, even if Charles is King.

2) If Charles and Diana were indeed king and queen, and Charles died,
   would Diana cease to be queen?  (immediately?)  Would their eldest
   son become king? (immediately?)

3) Why is Phil(l)ip a prince, not king?  I thought it was because if he
   had the title king, he would outrank Elizabeth.  My friend thinks
   there's some other reason.

4) What are the rules of succession to the throne?  What is the order
   of titles (king, queen, prince, etc.) in terms of power, authority,
   whatever.  Can anyone recommend a source for this information?  My
   friend says she wants to see it in print.

BTW, we tried calling the British embassy this afternoon with some of
these questions.  The person we talked to didn't know.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: snuffy@zelator.in-berlin.de (Ronald_J. Bartle)
Subject: Re: Bicycle brake requirements in Britain
Organization: Puplic-Access-Xenix-System
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 05:17:51 GMT

In <1992Dec9.204605.26975@bristol.ac.uk> smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:

>In article <1992Dec7.175235.9574@osf.org> david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec7.141138.27416@bristol.ac.uk>, smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
>>|> Also, no headlight more (yes more) powerful than 2.4 or 3.6 watts,
>>|> depending on whether it's a halogen bulb or not.)
>>
>>Yes, they like dead cyclists in Britain.  My recommendation, ignore the law
>>and get a VISTA VL430 21 Watt Halogen dual beam bike light (around $80) !
>>(Or TurboCat's secret weapon, 32 watts halogen, around $130).

>Something ticked over in my brain, and I decided to check the lighting
>specified for my car.  (Don't know what the Standards/laws say, but
>bulbs seem to be pretty Eurostandard these days, and so it feels likely
>that what's on my car pretty much matches what's minimally required.)

>Anyhow, a couple of numbers.  Car sidelights (US 'parking lights') seem
>to be 4 watt.  The rear licence plate lamp is 5 watts.  It's all uphill
>from there.  So, it looks like the maximum amount of light permitted
>for a bicycle headlamp is noticeably less than the minimum allowed for
>car sidelights -- never mind that cars have 2 of the things.  Anyone
>fancy a little drive out in the dark countryside, even slowly, say
>15-20 mph, with only the sidelights?  (And then motorists wonder why
>bicycles don't show up well at night.)

>-- 
>Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
> P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132

The latest "sport" of the Masses in Berlin's SW areas is to see how
quick a cyclist can get themselves in the mortality statistics by
riding on the wrong side of the road middle of the night (i suspect
sometimes with eyes closed..!) and take thier chances that they will
be still seen in time by the car/truck drivers despite total LACK of
lighting! And of course when the car driver does manage to get his
sick kid trown from the back of the car to the front bye emergancy
braking the treet comes of being verbally abused along the lines of 
"you fu*king car drivers in your armoured platting etc!" or evenbetter
in an apparent attempt to even up the chances one gets at least one
headlight kicked in!
  Well thats anarchist "intellect!" for you!


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From: chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU ("Bill Harrison (713)-743-2789")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: SECRET PURPOSE OF FALKLANDS WAR
Date: 17 Dec 1992 21:01:47 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: elroy.uh.edu

In article <1992Dec17.183536.9665@pixel.kodak.com>, dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:
>Mr. McElwaine, how are you?  Fresh from all your lunatic fringe postings
>in sci.space and who knows where else ?  Fortunately my newsreader has
>the ability to kill all messages by an author in all groups, so I won't
>be hearing from you again anywhere.  It will indeed be a relief.
>
>By the way I prefer your own original work: I find the liberal USE of
>CAPITAL LETTERS to be so refreshing.
>
>--
>||------------------------------------------------------------------------
>||Dave Jones (dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com)|Eastman Kodak Co. Rochester, NY  |


And a few ;=) and :=) would have also helped... 

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| University of Houston, TX  >-----------<         reality itself"     |
| CHEM91@JETSON.BITNET      /             \                V. I. Lenin |
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: Gerry prayer corner
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:38:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.001749.14230@netcom.com>, sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
> In article <1992Dec16.192045.1@vxdesy.desy.de> godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:
>>
>>I think avatar might not be the word you're looking for.  Why do you find
>>it necessary to announce when you're putting names into your kill file?
>>Could it be that the main reason for putting them in the file is for the
>>pleasure of being able to announce it?
>>
>>Laurence
>>
> 
> Avatar was exactly the word he was looking for, and you would know
> that if you understood much about what you're doing with your
> newsreader.  He has announced the fact purely because he is enjoying 
> the knowledge that he won't be reading anything more from your current 
> netcarnation.
> 
> I've also been skipping many of your recent posts, Laurence dear.
> It seems as though you are, well, attenuating.  The signal to
> noise ratio in your material has gone so low as to escape detection by my
> equipment.
> 
> TTFN
> 
I've been busy on scgerman, and I've had the account from which I did my
posting closed.  But I too fail to detect any signal in the above mail.

Laurence

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com (ALICE BERTELSON X2572 P7331)
Subject: re: Do we really need the monarchy?
Reply-To: alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com
Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:41:37 GMT

In article 5118@mdivax1.uucp, robinson@mdivax1.uucp (Jim Robinson) writes:
>*>Andy (2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA) wrote:
>*>
>*>>The latest twist in the royal soap operaprompts the question, do we really
>*>>need the monarchy, aren't they just an anachronism in this day and age?
>*>

It's nice not to lose the History of Kings and Queens, but I fully believe that
the Royal family should be SELF SUPPORTING - I mean how many of us do you know 
that couldn`t live off the interest alone off the 15 BILLION (not sure if that 
figure is Pounds or dollars - but does it really matter!!) which is her ESTIMATED
 wealth - and probably alot more (PLEASE don`t Email me with the answer "I can`t!! 
Cos you can!!)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: davel@ampex.com (Dave Larkins)
Subject: Re: Green cards
Organization: Ampex Corporation, Redwood City CA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:15:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.194202.1365@njitgw.njit.edu> zoran@hertz.njit.edu (zoran siveski fac ee) writes:
>
>Rather don't plan on carrying your "green card" with you (unless you
>travel abroad, of course.) You are not required by the law to do it.
>
>							Zoran

Are you sure about this? I seem to remember that before I gave up my green card
For a passport, some of the documents I received from the INS stated that the
card _and_ your foreign passport must be carried at all times (ludicrous) and
surrendered to any official on request.

davel
From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Information Wanted Re Modem Use in UK
Date: 16 Dec 92 10:21:20 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

In article <168BD1214D.ELURONA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> ELURONA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (R. Elul) writes:
>Could anyone tell me what the policy is (both official and unofficial)
>regarding the use of 'non-approved' modems in the UK? 

It is legal to buy, sell, or own them.  It is illegal to connect them
to British Telecom (and other common carrier) lines; they may be
legally used only on isolated (from the CCs) privately-owned wire.  In
practice, a lot of people do use them illegally, as they are incredibly
cheaper than BABT-approved ones.  I'd guess that most organisations use
approved ones, but I'd just about bet that most personally-owned ones
are unapproved (and, I repeat, thus illegal to use).  It's certainly
true that most of the cheap modems advertised in home-computing mags are
non-approved.

This does not necessarily mean that they are 'worse' in any way.  The
British modem market is fairly small, the process of getting BABT
approval is fairly costly, and so makers of cheap modems (usually for
the US market) often don't feel that they could sell enough of the
things (or keep their prices down sufficiently) to justify going for
BABT approval and trying to get into the UK market.

Functionally speaking, they usually work.  At 300 baud and below the UK
uses different signalling frequencies than the US, so 300 baud modems
don't travel well.  (Actually, might be 110 rather than 300 -- been a
long time since I had to think about anything as slow as even 300, and
I'm working from memory.  Believe it's 300, though.)  At 1200 and above
the standards are identical and US and UK modems should interwork
perfectly.  

Split-rate 1200/75 (you type to the computer at 75 baud, it answers
back at 1200) used to be popular over here and virtually doesn't exist
in the States, so you don't often find non-approved 1200/75 modems.
But then not many people use it any more anyway.  The upsurge in file
up/down-loading has meant a move to identical speed in both directions;
split-rate only makes real sense in normal 'terminal session' type use,
and even there a really fast typist can overrun it unless you've got
buffering in either the modem or the terminal (emulator).

>Also, what is the
>purpose of the different make/break ratio in Europe (as compared to the US) I
>successfully dialed out using the US setting.

The 'official standard' timing of dialing pulses (for the old
mechanical exchanges) is different on different sides of the pond.  In
practice, though, the mechanisms have to be designed to cope with a
certain amount of variation, so it's believable that (at least most) UK
exchanges could handle US timing, and vice versa.

-- 
Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
 P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Subject: Re: An ENGLISH monarch??
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:51:14 GMT

katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason) writes:
: I have a question.  I have been studying Scottish history for a while,
: and, in Canada at least, this necessarily entails studying a wee bit
: of English history.
: 
: My question is simple:  has there ever been an ENGLISH monarch?
: 
: The Plantegenets were french.
: The Tudors were Welsh.
: The Stuarts were Scottish
: The Windsors (were) are German.
: 
: Any ENGLISH monarchs?
: Even in some other country??
: 
	Harold?
Richard Pennell History NUS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: poser@vxdsyc.desy.de (Till Poser  -  ZEUS OFFLINE)
Subject: Re: Robertson's Golly Badges.
Reply-To: Poser@vxdsyc.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:20:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.215613.18500@netcom.com>, 
sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes in soc.culture.british:
|>ObChristmasAnecdote:  My older cousins received a full complement of 
|>Barbie/Ken dolls for Christmas eons ago.  My aunt looked at the hooters on
|>Barbie, and was seized with a sudden graphic thought.  She grabbed the
|>Ken doll, which had yet to be manipulated much, and ripped off his
|>trousers.  After all, Barbie was the first semi-anatomically-correct
|>doll any of them had ever seen.  You can hardly wonder at her anxiety.

I'm not quite sure about this paragraph. What is wrong with a doll having
an anatomically correct nose? And You used the plural...
Did the dolls perchance have more than one nose? That, methinks, could
conceivably explain the anxiety, but only just.

|>Merry Christmas,
|>sue

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From: tbrann@black.ox.ac.uk (Tony Brannigan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re:  Charles and Diana split ?
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:59:04 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Engineering Dept.
Originator: tbrann@black

Evelyn S. Hlabse writes:
>Isn't this tragic?  I do hope the press will leave them alone
>now. 
[...]

I think given the press's handling of Fergie this is sadly rather
unlikely.

Tony
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  we who never let each other sleep above it."  | u90afb@ecs.ox.ac.uk
   Marina Tsvetayeva 1915                       | oupafb@ox.ac.uk
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: US bombed Libyan civilians
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:37:41 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Dec10.132618.3474@csd.uwe.ac.uk> th2_oate@csd.uwe.ac.uk (Tom Oates) writes:
>In article <1foomuINNhat@menudo.uh.edu> chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU writes:
>
>>But didn't the Birtish establishment support US bombing of civilians in 
>>Libya a few years ago.  How about a little **consistency** here???
>>
>>Bill Harrison.
>
>No, the British establishment did *not* support US bombing of civilians in
>Libya in 1983. True, the British Govt did give permission for the F111s
>to use their facilities in order to bomb Gadaffi's air force and camps around
>Tripoli that were being used to train PLO, IRA and Libyan terrorists. But the
>British Govt cannot be held responsible for regrettable mistakes made by US Air
>Force pilots. In 1983 the USA asked for help in the Tripoli raid. Guess what?
>Nobody would stand up and be counted. The USA was completely alone - no 
>European countries would help in the fight against Libyan terrorism because 
>they were too scared of reprisals. 

Maybe no one else was convinced that the Libyans were in fact behind
the bombing of the German disco (the US raid was claimed to be a
reprisal for this). And they were quite right to be sceptical, because
it later turned out that the Syrians, not the Libyans, were behind it.

If European countries chose not to cooperate in this US atrocity, then
good for them. I only wish that Britain wasn't such a pathetic little
puppy dog in following the americans in everything they do.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Robertson's Golly Badges.
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:24:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.225336.19922@osf.org> dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) writes:
>hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell) writes:
>>COLLINS CONCISE (huh!) DICTIONARY PLUS (london & Glasgow: Collins, 1989) p530
>>
>>[C19:from a doll in a series of AMerican children's books]
>>
>>Details please
>
>COLLINS LESS CONCISE BUT STILL LEGIBLE (Heckmondwike and Hawick, 1979)
>page DCXXVI:
>
>[C19: from the name of a doll character in children's books by the
>Americans Bertha Upton (died 1912), writer, and Florence Upton (died 1922),
>illustrator]
>
>I wonder if they were related?
>
>Seriously, why is anyone surprised, or expecting anyone else to be
>surprised, that there was unremarked racism in the 19th Century?

You'll have to answer your question yourself, since I haven't
seen any evidence that anyone here has been contemplating
"unremarked racism in the 19th Century."  We've been discussing
something completely different.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: suplick@convex.com (Jean Suplick)
Subject: Tell me about crackers
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:03:32 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Hope this is the right group for this question...

Could someone tell me about the custom of having "crackers" after 
Christmas dinner?  What typically is found in a cracker?  When did the
custom begin?  What are its origins?  Is it a widespread custom?  Do
people make their own crackers?  Any tips on how to put a >crack< into 
a homemade cracker?

And while I'm at it, what's this custom of wearing silly paper hats at
during the Christmas festivities?  What's in a Christmas pudding?  Anyone
have a good recipe?

Happy holidays!  ;-)

Jean
suplick@convex.com

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson)
Subject: Re: Git (was re: Et in Arcadia ego)
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:49:48 GMT

Francis Muir (thought we'd lost him for good) writes:
> While we're about it, what is the origin of the phrase
>"Up your jumper!."

At the very limits (backward in time speaking) of my memory I recall
a catch phrase, or rather catch jingle (since it was sung) on the radio
which went "Umpah, umpah, stick it up yer jumper (jumpah)". Could have
been Tommy Handley, but as I say the memory is very dim. No doubt someone
can enlighten us (me).

Dick Jackson