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From: arl@cs.hut.fi (Ari Lemmke)
Subject: Re: DNet Linuxiin
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
	<SINKKONE.92Dec18221457@plootu.Helsinki.FI>
Distribution: sfnet
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 13:16:28 GMT

In article <SINKKONE.92Dec18221457@plootu.Helsinki.FI> sinkkone@plootu.Helsinki.FI (Janne Sinkkonen) writes:
:   tartarus.uwa.edu.au, /pub/oreillym/term*.tar.Z

	FLAME ON

	Haluatko tosiaan, etta sata tai pari sataa suomalaista kay
	hakemassa tavaran AUSTRALIAsta? Tiedatko kuinka paljon
	200 * tavara on megoissa?

	Meilla on Suomessa nic.funet.fi, jonka TARKOITUKSENA on
	VAHENTAA ulkomaista nettikuormaa. Idea on, etta sinne
	voi laittaa FTP:lla tavaraa, jonka arvelee myos kiinnostavan
	MUITA, jottein tavaraa tarvitsisi jokaisen erikseen
	hakea JAPANIsta tai AUSTRALIAsta.

	FTP-yllapidon (vapaaehtoista, jos ei ole jo tullut mainittua,
	"no money, no honey") ei voida olettaa hakevan KAIKKEA tavaraa
	itse, koska yksinkertaisesti aika EI riita.

	Ihanko turhaan nicciin on hankittu levya? taas 2 * 2,3G (?)
	lisaa .. Ihmisilla on jonkinlainen HARHALUULO, etta netti
	olisi ILMAINEN. Ottakaa selville mita ulkomaanyhteydet
	todella maksavat, ja kayttakaa niita harkitusti (tuokin
	pitaisi olla isolla ;-) .. HARKITUSTI. Jos joku jossain
	hiiltyy, kaikilta luusereilta zappaantyy ulkomaan
	nettiyhteydet pois. Haluatko tosiaan kokeilla jousen
	kestavyytta?

	ELI: hakemisto nic.funet.fi:/pub/OS/Linux/incoming
	tavaralle, jonka katsot kiinnostavan myos muita.
	tavara.tar.Z.ind, jossa kerrot englanniksi mita tauhka
	tekee parilla rivilla (katso paatason INDEX tiedostosta,
	miten kuvailuteksti tulee, INDEX-systeemissa muotoilu
	tehdaan itse, joten siita ei tarvitse valittaa).

	Jos tavara on selvasti BETAa, eli juttu on ilmoitettu
	ALPHAksi tai BETAksi comp.os.linuxissa, voi tavaran
	tiputtaa /pub/OS/Linux/BETA/incoming-hakemistoon.

	Jos tavara on ALPHAa, eli tarkoitettu rajoitettuun
	testaukseen (luuser-eliminointi), ja on julkaistu
	vain postituslistalla tai muuten, tai on omaa koodiasi
	voit tunkea tavaran /pub/OS/Linux/ALPHA/incoming-hakemistoon.

	Tosiaankaan "dir" incoming-dirikassa ei tuota tulosta,
	eli ET nae pudottamaasi tavaraa.

	Minne tavara joutuu? Jos softa loytyy /pub/unix-puusta,
	pyrin laittamaan util-puuhun suunnilleen samaan paikkaan.

	Jos jonnekin tulee jatkuvasti uusia versioita, voit
	ehdottaa mirrorointia/peilausta tuohon paikkaan. nicissa
	on Linux-tauhkaa peilauksessa puolisen tusinaa dirikkaa.

	KAYTTAKAA PAATANNE, ILMAN SITA TUSKIN EDES TATA LUKISITKAAN!

	FLAME OFF

	On hyva, etta vastataan kysymyksiin ja esitetaan korvaavia
	mahdollisuuksia, mutta valttakaan ulkomaisten ftp-paikkojen
	mainitsemista, koska kuitenkin hyvin moni sadoista/tuhansista
	tamankin ryhman lukijoista sen haluaa hakea (vaikka ihan
	muuten vain, veikkei kayttoa softalle olisikaan).

:   Janne

	arl
Newsgroups: sfnet.atk.linux
From: tvr@cs.hut.fi (Teemu Rantanen)
Subject: DNet Linuxiin
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: sfnet
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:39:54 GMT


       L|ysinp{ viimeinkin sen verran aikaa, ett{ sain paranneltua ja
       pakattua DNetin jonkinmoiseen l{j{{n.

       DNet on rs-linjan multiplexoiva softa. T{ll{ versiolla voi
       avata samanaikaisesti monta terminaalisessiota (linux->remote
       tai remote->linux), valuttaa tavaraa taustalla yl|s/alas, sek{
       ajaa X-ohjelmia linjan yli kotiin. ximaker k{ynnistyy 9600:lla
       muutamassa minuutissa ;)

       Paketti on viel{ alpha ja uusimman version voi hakea
       nic.funet.fi:sta /pub/OS/Linux/ALPHA/DNET.testi:n alta.
       Ohjelmaa voi levitt{{ vapaasti mutta {l{ kuitenkaan viel{
       ulkomaille. Parempi testata suurimmat bugit pois pienell{
       k{ytt{j{m{{r{ll{. 


			 		Teemu
Newsgroups: sfnet.atk.linux
From: jupi@cc.tut.fi (Jussi Vehkalahti)
Subject: 0.99 boottausongelma
Keywords: Version 0.99
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Distribution: sfnet
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 21:12:24 GMT


	K{{nsin version 0.99 tehden kaikki newsseiss{ mainitut korjaukset
	eli 
	poistin fs/isofs/inode.c:n rivit
	#ifndef CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR ... #error ... #endif
	poistin net/Makefilesta viittauksen tcp/tcpip.o ainoasta
	kohtaa miss{ se mielest{ni luki
	fs/inode.c:n static struct wait ... ; lis{sin sen = NULL alustuksen.
	ja
	include/linux/fs.h :n NR_INODE:n definition muutin 256:ksi

	Sen j{lkeen sain k{{nnett{ess{ virheet (aika lopussa, siin{
	kohtaa miss{ ld tekee imagea? ) : jotain muistaakseni:
	data alueella viitaukset seuraaviin fileisiin:
	fs/fs.o _proc_read_super
	net/net.o _inet_proto_ops
	joita ei ole olemassa

	Muutin configuraatiota siten ett{ otin mukaan /proc filesysteemin,
	ja tcp/ip osat.

	Tuo _proc_read_super virhe lahti silla, mutta toinen virhe j{i.
	Sitten kommentoin pois net/socket.c:sta rivit joissa puhuttiin
	inet_proto_opsista (muutama rivi ifdef CONFIG_TCPIP ... endifien 
	v{lill{).

	Sitten homma k{{ntyi ilman virheit{ tai varoituksia.

	Boottaus korpulta jonne kopioin Imagen: cat Image >/dev/fd0 :lla

	antaa virheeksi:
	ll_rw_block: Trying to read nonexistent blockdevice 0803 (1)
	MINIX-fs: unable to read superblock
	Kernel panic: unable to mount root
	ja homma jumiutuu.

	Rootdevice pit{isi olla oikea eli /dev/sda3, toimii hyvin 0.98.pl5:ll{
	korpulta buutaten. Kovalevy on ST-296N ja driver ST-02. SLS paketti
	on toiminut muutenkin hyvin.
	Homma ei my|sk{{n toiminut kun muutin korpulla olevan mountattavan
	rootdevicen olemaan /dev/fd0. Se kyll{ antaa vaihtaa uuden korpun 
	sis{{n, ja vaihdan sinne SLS(0.98.pl5) rootimage levyn, ja painan
	ENTER niinkuin pyydet{{n. Sitten ei tapahdu en{{ mit{{n, on kuin
	kone ei edes huomaisi ENTERIN painallusta vaan pys{htyy t{ysin.

	Mik{h{n t{ss{ on pieless{, en itse osaa tehd{ nyt oikein mit{{n kun
	olen niin uusi Linuxin k{ytt{j{kin. Asensin sen vasta pari viikkoa
	sitten. 
	Koneeni on Sunlogix 386 25/33, muistia 4Mb. Muita kovalevyj{ kuin
	edell{ mainittu ei ole. N{yt|nohjain King Phoenixin KP 1024 TVGA
	ja n{ytt| MORSEn vgaplus. Kaikki on toiminut aivan hyvin, mutta
	jostain syyst{ vain silloin kun olen k{ytt{nyt 25 MHzlla, 33 MHz
	ei toimi kovalevyn kanssa ja alkaa jossain vaiheessa toimimaan
	omituisesti. 

	Laitan lis{{ tarkempia tietoja jos joku sanoo mitk{ tiedot ovat
	oleellisia yll{ mainittujen lis{ksi. Yrit{n viel{ k{{nt{{ sen
	ottaen mukaan aivan kaikki ja tehden mahdollisimman v{h{n fixej{
	olemassa oleviin filseisiin. Kaikenlainen apu on hy|dyksi.

	Kiitos etuk{teen. Jussi Vehkalahti
-- 
*******************************************************************************
*        Jussi Vehkalahti                "I'm sleeping my day away."          *
*        N{silinnankatu 31 A 16                          DAD                  *
*        33200 Tampere                                                        *
Newsgroups: sfnet.atk.linux
From: sinkkone@plootu.Helsinki.FI (Janne Sinkkonen)
Subject: Re: DNet Linuxiin
Organization: University of Helsinki (Finland)
	<SINKKONE.92Dec18221457@plootu.Helsinki.FI>
	<ARL.92Dec19151626@deathstar.cs.hut.fi>
Distribution: sfnet
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 15:30:49 GMT

arl@cs.hut.fi (Ari Lemmke) writes:

>	   Haluatko tosiaan, etta sata tai pari sataa suomalaista kay
>	   hakemassa tavaran AUSTRALIAsta? Tiedatko kuinka paljon
>	   200 * tavara on megoissa?

200 * 67 kiloa on 13 megaa.

>	   Ihanko turhaan nicciin on hankittu levya? 

Mist{ min{ tiet{isin miksi sinne on hankittu levy{?

>	   Jos tavara on selvasti BETAa, eli juttu on ilmoitettu
>	   ALPHAksi tai BETAksi comp.os.linuxissa, voi tavaran
>	   tiputtaa /pub/OS/Linux/BETA/incoming-hakemistoon.

Joo. Osaan kyll{ uploadata nicciin. Kysyn ohjelman tekij{lt{, saako
sen laittaa nicciin (kyseess{ on BETA). Jos ei saa, cancelloin
artikkelini ryhm{st{. Toivottavasti kaikki 200 eiv{t viel{ ole
ehtineet lukea sit{.

>	   Jos jonnekin tulee jatkuvasti uusia versioita, voit
>	   ehdottaa mirrorointia/peilausta tuohon paikkaan. 

Tauhkasta on ainakin toistaiseksi tullut jatkuvasti uusia versioita.

Janne
Newsgroups: sfnet.atk.linux
From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Torvalds)
Subject: Re: Kernel 0.99 kaatuu virheilmoon "Unable to handle paging request..."
Organization: University of Helsinki
Distribution: sfnet
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 11:45:40 GMT

In article <RAUSSI.92Dec15105104@tnds09.noknic> raussi@tele.nokia.fi (Heikki Raussi) writes:
>Hain Nicist{ uuden 0.99 kernelin sorsat ja purkasin ne puhtaaseen 
>hakemistoon, jossa k{{nsin ne. Tein tarvittavat jippoilut, jotta
>sain "make dep":in ajettua l{vitse. Configin uudelleen ajon j{lkeen
>asetin SCSI-ohjaimeksi Adaptecin ja tcpip.o:n k{vin netin Makefilest{
>kommentoimassa poissa. K{{nn|s meni l{vitse, mutta uudella kernelill{
>buuttaaminen ei sitten onnistunutkaan. Buuttaus eteni ihan hyvin
>partitiointitaulujen tsekkaukseen saakka: [ delete ]

Ongelmana luultavasti se tyhm{ initialisoinnin puute
linux/fs/inode.c'ssa. Eli muuta tiedoston alussa oleva

	static struct wait_queue * inode_wait;

muotoon

	static struct wait_queue * inode_wait = NULL;

ja johan pit{isi toimia.. Tuota virhett{ ei n{e jos k{ytt{{ liloa joka
automaattisesti tyhjent{{ BSS'n, mutta jos k{ytt{{ jotain muuta
boottausohjelmaa (tai boottaa lerpulta, niin tuo "= NULL" on tarpeen.

		Linus
Newsgroups: sfnet.atk.linux
From: tvr@cs.hut.fi (Teemu Rantanen)
Subject: Re: DNet Linuxiin
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
	<SINKKONE.92Dec18221457@plootu.Helsinki.FI>
Distribution: sfnet
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:28:49 GMT

In article <SINKKONE.92Dec18221457@plootu.Helsinki.FI> sinkkone@plootu.Helsinki.FI (Janne Sinkkonen) writes:
 >  Itse olen varsin tyytyv{inen termiin (sinullahan se ei muistaakseni
 >  jostain syyst{ toiminut). Multiple remote shells, file upload ja
 >  X-tuki valmiina, TCP/IP-porttien redirektointi remoten ja lokaalin
 >  koneen v{lill{, valinnainen LZW-kompressointi kaikille clienteille.

    Uhh. Voisin vaikka vannoa etten ole kokeillut. Kun koko nimikin
    tuntuu oudolta. S{{li, sill{ term:ssa tuntuu olevan ne
    ominaisuudet mitk{ dnetist{ puuttuu (datan kompressointi ja
    parempi pakettien priorisointi). Ja term on _huomattavan_ nopea,
    kiitos kompressoinnin. xengine nousi 6.0 rpm:st{ 30rpm:{{n. 



	    	    			Teemu
From: hpasanen@cs.hut.fi (Harri Pasanen)
Newsgroups: sfnet.atk.linux
Subject: Re: suomalaisn{ppis X:ss{?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 10:54:59 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: sfnet
NNTP-Posting-Host: deathstar.cs.hut.fi
In-reply-to: mjalava@lk-hp-11.hut.fi's message of Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:32:24 GMT

> Mites se n{ppis saadaan suomalaiseksi X:ss{? Niit{ n{pp{inkarttoja kai
> tarvittaisiin, mutta mist{s saisi? K{yt|ss{ on xfree1.1.

>	Mika

OHJELMA ON XMODMAP, NIC.FUNET.FI:ST{ L|YTYY XMODMAP.NO.Z, MUISTAAKSENI.

(EN TIED{ MIKSI KAIKKI KIRJAIMET ON ISOJA, NIIN VAAN ON...)

HARRI
From: dave@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (David A Rasmussen)
Newsgroups: milw.unix
Subject: DEC Risc architecture books?
Date: 21 Dec 1992 03:37:25 GMT
Organization: UW-Milwaukee Computing Services Division
Distribution: milw
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: dave@csd4.csd.uwm.edu


Does anyone know if DEC still has little paperback architecture handbooks
for its MIPS based machines, and possibly of its Alpha stuff? Some students
I know are interested, and I remember when I was a student DEC was always
cool to send us a few.

-- 
Dave Rasmussen - SysAdm/Hacker/Consulting Manager, UWM Computing Svcs Div.
Internet:dave@uwm.edu, Uucp:uwm!dave, Bitnet:dave%uwm.edu@INTERBIT
AT&T:414-229-5133 USmail:Box 413 EMS380,Milwaukee,WI 53201  HAM: N9REJ       

Newsgroups: milw.general,milw.unix
From: Dean.Roth <Dean.Roth@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Internet connection options
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: wi
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:57:03 GMT

In <BzCKMp.uw@solaria.mil.wi.us> jgreco@solaria.mil.wi.us (Joe Greco) writes:

>Now, to answer the question that was posed, I understand that Marquette
>University offers SLIP/PPP connections, although there are a few "gotchas".
>This information is about a year old, but I believe it is still valid.

A connection through Marquette or UWM (or the Medical College or MATC
or any other WI school) is a connection to WiscNet.
Anyone making such a connection must pay WiscNet's fee. WiscNet's
literature says $10,000/year. However, I think this has changed
(under some circumstances) to the range of $2500-$2700, prepaid.
The lower price may only apply where another organization is providing
a low bandwidth connection, but I do not know for sure.  WiscNet
only provides 56K and T1 links

Also, WiscNet's charter is to support education and research. 
My opinion is that WiscNet/state-of-Wisconsin should also
support (small) businesses who have low bandwidth, non-proprietary
networking needs, like other states are doing because (affordable) 
commercial options are (or have been) lacking.

I know of a few small businesses that have a need for occassional "instant" 
data transfer (file or mail) to another company, either in the U.S. 
or elsewhere in the world, to remain competitive. These businesses 
cannot afford $1000 - $2000/month fee for a simple 14.4K SLIP link
that most commercial providers want (usually $250/month plus a long
distance telephone call) however, and would prefer to acquire the 
service locally. (Or do not want to manage a computer and networking
software themselves but want to pay someone else a fee to do that,
and to use a BBS type of service.) There are probably several businesses.

One option would be for interested parties to form an organzation
that gets a 56K or T1 line and then divides that up into dedicated
and on-demand dial-up IP service at 14.4K or 56K. Startup cost would
be $50-$100K, with monthly operating costs probably near $1500-$2000,
which does not consider any salaries or taxes that come with employees.
Anyone interested? Anyone win the lottery recently?

Dean
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From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Newsgroups: milw.general,milw.unix
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Internet connection options
Date: 16 Dec 1992 21:12:02 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: wi
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1gnrhcINNgg1@uwm.edu> jgreco@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Joseph E Greco) writes:
>In milw.unix article <1gnq70INNg99@uwm.edu>, alanchem@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Alan Scott Olson) wrote:
>:I'll be graduating from UWM in about six months, at which time my access
>:to Internet will vaporize.  I'm interested in regaining access at that time,
>:but do not know how.  The few parts of this ongoing discussion would be
>:helpful IF I knew what PPP and SLIP we're.
>:For the acronym-impaired, could someone explain?
>Point-to-Point protocol, and Serial Line Internet Protocol.

Note that PPP and SLIP are primarily of interest to people who have
their own unix machines.  Others might also be interested in it.

If you just want to have access to a machine hooked up to the Internet
like csd4 then right now the only way to do it is to buy an account
from UWM CSD and anyone else that might be selling (is anyone else selling?).
The Internet has ftp, telnet, irc, icb, muds, etc.

If you just want email and newsgroups you can get an account on MIX or
Solaria.  Alternatively you can get a feed from UWM, Marquette, or
elsewhere and set up UUCP (Unix to Unix CoPy) on your own machine so
you can send and receive Usenet postings and email.

If you don't know what the difference is between Internet, Usenet, and
UUCP just ask (the difference is very important).  Feel free to ask
questions.

Maybe we need a Milwaukee Internet/Usenet/UUCP access FAQ list?
--
<-:(= Anthony Stieber	anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu   uwm!uwmcsd4!anthony
Xref: sparky milw.general:375 milw.unix:38
From: rick@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller)
Newsgroups: milw.general,milw.unix
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Internet connection options
Date: 15 Dec 1992 17:23:14 GMT
Organization: Just me.
Distribution: wi
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

In article <1gl24pINN2un@uwm.edu> david@convex.csd.uwm.edu writes:
>Dean.Roth <Dean.Roth@mixcom.mixcom.com>:
>> 
>> What are the options for a local (non-long distance)
>> connection to the Internet via SLIP or PPP? 
>
>At UWM we can "sell" you an account on one of our machines for $25/month
>plus CPU charges.  The CPU charges typically work out to about $5/connect-
>hour, but the actual rate is $300/cpu-hour.  So, I think a person who
>does email and follows a dozen or so newsgroups could get away with
>a monthly bill of some $40-$45 (your actual results may vary :-)

I think, Dave, that Dean's looking for a *SLIP* connection for his own box
(not just a user-account on an Inet-connected machine).  It looks to me like
you're offering him a user-account...

Dean, check out the "term" package (a user-level MUX/DeMUX for simultaneous
SLIP-like activity through a single user-account login).  It was originally
intended for use with Linux, but it may be portable enough to work for you.
So far, it's got the capability to run multiple shell sessions in both 
directions, a modified ftp client that's transparent to the user, and some
have even managed to get X Windows and NNTP to work across the thing!
(...something about re-directing ports... I dunno.)

To follow its development, send E-mail to

	linux-activists-request@niksula.hut.fi

with the very first line of the message being

	X-Mn-Admin: join term

Good luck, and have fun.

Rick Miller   <rick@ee.uwm.edu> | <rick@discus.mil.wi.us>   Ricxjo Muelisto
Occupation:  Husband, Father, WEPCo. WAN Mgr., Discus Sys0p, and  Linux fan

P.S.:  Will someone who knows anything about the old "Tandy 6000" *please*
	e-mail me?  I've got the hardware, but no manuals and no diskettes.
Newsgroups: milw.general,milw.unix
From: jgreco@solaria.mil.wi.us (Joe Greco)
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Internet connection options
Organization: Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI
Distribution: wi
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:18:23 GMT

In milw.general article <1gl24pINN2un@uwm.edu>, david@convex.csd.uwm.edu wrote:
:From article <1992Dec15.050435.18840@mixcom.com>, by Dean.Roth <Dean.Roth@mixcom.mixcom.com>:
:> 
:> What are the options for a local (non-long distance)
:> connection to the Internet via SLIP or PPP? 
:
:At UWM we can "sell" you an account on one of our machines for $25/month
:plus CPU charges.  The CPU charges typically work out to about $5/connect-
:hour, but the actual rate is $300/cpu-hour.  So, I think a person who
:does email and follows a dozen or so newsgroups could get away with
:a monthly bill of some $40-$45 (your actual results may vary :-)

What is this crap?  You haven't answered the question, and on top of it
you have just told the operator of a system that you provide UUCP (and
presumably mail and news) service for that you will gladly sell him
something he already has.

And something he already has FROM YOUR SITE, at that..

Anybody who "does email and follows a dozen or so newsgroups" is encouraged
to check out MIX (subscriber service) or Solaria (small but free service).

Now, to answer the question that was posed, I understand that Marquette
University offers SLIP/PPP connections, although there are a few "gotchas".
This information is about a year old, but I believe it is still valid.
I'm aware of one local business that is actively using the service offered.
You'll want to talk to Steve Goodman <manager@spool.mu.edu>, to see what
your options are.

... Joe

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Joe Greco - System Administrator		       jgreco@solaria.mil.wi.us
Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI			   414/321-9287
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From: david@convex.csd.uwm.edu (David Stack)
Newsgroups: milw.general,milw.unix
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Internet connection options
Date: 15 Dec 1992 16:46:17 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: wi
Reply-To: david@convex.csd.uwm.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30
Originator: david@convex.csd.uwm.edu

From article <1992Dec15.050435.18840@mixcom.com>, by Dean.Roth <Dean.Roth@mixcom.mixcom.com>:
> 
> What are the options for a local (non-long distance)
> connection to the Internet via SLIP or PPP? 

At UWM we can "sell" you an account on one of our machines for $25/month
plus CPU charges.  The CPU charges typically work out to about $5/connect-
hour, but the actual rate is $300/cpu-hour.  So, I think a person who
does email and follows a dozen or so newsgroups could get away with
a monthly bill of some $40-$45 (your actual results may vary :-)

the least expensive option is to take a 1 credit class at UWM.  For that
you get "unlimited" computing on everything from micros, to mainframes
to the Internet.

If you'd like info on "buying" an account give me a holler....

   David Stack
   david@convex.csd.uwm.edu
   414-229-5371
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From: manager@spool.mu.edu (Steven Goodman)
Newsgroups: milw.general,milw.unix
Subject: WiscNet Stuff
Date: 18 Dec 1992 13:37:51 -0600
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
Reply-To: manager@spool.mu.edu (Steven Goodman)
NNTP-Posting-Host: spool.mu.edu


	For information on WiscNet ( policies, topology maps, stats, etc... )
	
	You can ftp over to nic.wisc.edu under the directory wiscnet
	you can find most information regarding Wiscnet.

	Same old story: login anonmous password: whatever_you_want


-- 
Steven Goodman  -  Systems Administrator
Department of Mathematics, Statistics, and Computer Science
Marquette University    -     Milwaukee, Wisconsin  53233
1 (414) 288-6734	      manager@spool.mu.edu
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From: alanchem@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Alan Scott Olson)
Newsgroups: milw.general,milw.unix
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Internet connection options
Date: 16 Dec 1992 17:49:20 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: wi
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

If I can ask a few followup questions...

I'll be graduating from UWM in about six months, at which time my access
to Internet will vaporize.  I'm interested in regaining access at that time,
but do not know how.  The few parts of this ongoing discussion would be
helpful IF I knew what PPP and SLIP we're.

For the acronym-impaired, could someone explain?

- Alan 

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Newsgroups: milw.general,milw.unix
From: jgreco@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Joseph E Greco)
Newsgroups: milw.general,milw.unix
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Internet connection options
Date: 17 Dec 1992 15:22:48 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee - Department of Mathematics
Distribution: wi
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In milw.general article <1gq271INNreg@uwm.edu>, eli@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Elihu Lubkin) wrote:
:     My company recently got internet access through UWM.  Although we
:     are a large company, our research budget is miniscule: I think the
:     main users of the new access will be our research people.
:     Research in private industry is taking a bad beating in today's
:     economy--this particular paying connection is definitely in 
:     support of research, in complete compliance with the spirit of
:     WiscNet's charter.
:                              --Thelma Lubkin

Obviously, this is often true.  However, as a previous message by Dean Roth
pointed out, many companies could use this for their own gain.  Long haul data
links are expensive, face it.  A company would have to be downright stupid
not to jump at a chance to use the Internet / WiscNet to an advantage.

That is not intended to be a blanket accusation saying that all companies
necessarily have this motive in mind.

... Joe

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