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From: eru.mt.luth.se!lunic!sunic!mcsun!dxcern!vxcrna.cern.ch!roeber@bloom-beacon.mit.edu
Subject: Re: DDE X-interface, sys 10.4 and DN10000
Organization: CERN -- European Organization for Nuclear Research
Distribution: fj
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:43:05 GMT
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In article <BvnL08.9GB@apollo.hp.com>, kumorek@apollo.HP.COM (James Kumorek) writes:
> In article <9210042009.AA06686@nettlerash.berkeley.edu>, PMIDS@FRPOLY11.BITNET (Darrell Skinner) writes:
> |> 
> |>    We had been looking forward to putting sys 10.4 up on our DN10000/PRISM
> |> so we can use the dde debugger from non-Apollo machines via the promised
> |> X-interface.
> [...]
> There is no X user interface for DDE v2.0 on the DN10000 because HP decided
> not to provide Motif 1.1 and X11R4 development environment on the DN10000.

Ah, but couldn't one run dde v2.0 on an m68k Apollo with the X display
pointed back at a non-Apollo, then (using the neat but soon-to-die
cross-platform/cross-network debugging facilities) debug the program on
the 10k?

-- 
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e-mail: roeber@cern.ch or roeber@caltech.edu | work: +41 22 767 31 80
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From: news.univie.ac.at!email!mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at!root@uunet.uu.net  (Sysadmin. Thomas Hollunder)
Subject: UID Unification Problems installing NFS 2.3
Organization: Technische Universitaet Wien
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:20:27 GMT
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and on our Suns and Decstations. I want  to mount the whole Filesystem of
the Decs and Suns into the Network-root of the Token-ring AND the Apollo
disks as whole into the Filesystems of the Suns end Decs. 
 
 The first problem I'm stuck with:

How can I unify the GIDs and UIDs if there are reserved GIDs/UIDs on
both the Apollos and the Sun/DECs which (you guessed already ) do not
match ?

 What problems can I expect, if I simply do not touch the reserved
GIDs/UIDs ?

 Reading the Manuals (about syncids(1m) and import_passwd(1m)) could
give no clue to the questions above.

 Thanks in advance for any hint.

-- 


                          Thomas Hollunder  root@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at
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From: ftpbox!mothost!lmpsbbs!tftang@uunet.uu.net  (Tang Ting Fook)
Subject: Re: Mtools on Apollo
Organization: Motorola Penang
Distribution: fj
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 14:29:40 GMT
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In article <1992Jul29.152730.8204@athena.mit.edu> bri@pegasus.mit.edu (Brian D. Carlstrom) writes:
>In article <199207282137.AA09344@cadnet.micro.honeywell.com> dwv@ENGIN.UMICH.EDU (Doug Vander Wilt) writes:
>>I've also been trying to utilize mtools (version 2.0) on Domain/OS.  I
>>can access the virtual hard disk files used with DPCE/DPCC, but have not
>>been able to access DN series built-in or SCSI connected floppy drives. 
>
>question about DPCE/DPCC. the DPCE part is the emulator.
>the DPCC part is the card? do i need the card to run the emulator
>or will just the software alone work...
>
>-bri
>
>

No. You do not need the card to run the emulator. Just type /com/dpce -c -bf and it will
convert your DM window to a PC window. If your Apollo have a 5.25 in disk drive then the 
drive will become the A: drive. DPCE does not work on a 425e though. Does anyone knows
why ?

Thanks.
Tang
tftang@comm.mot.com
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From: agate!kmorgan@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Keir Morgan)
Subject: Registry Woes -- Registry is full !?
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:23:22 GMT
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Hi all!

   The OCF has seem to run into an interesting problem -- our registry won't
accept any more person or account entries! Currently we are at 4742 account
entries and if I try to add any person or account entries I get the following
error:

******************************************************************************
1992/09/10. 0:37:54, root.wheel.none.1F291, Domain/OS kernel(7), revision
	10.4.0.2, May 29, 1992 12:56:10 pm 
<RGYD version 1.3, 91/05/02
status 1C040000 (network computing system/Registry Server)

RGY client listener
Database store failed

Fault Status 1C01FFFF: status 1C01FFFF (network computing system/RPC runtime)
User Fault PC   000177DC
D0-D3:          00000000 00000004 3B3D0000 00000000
D4-D7:          00000360 00000000 00000000 00000000
A0-A3:          0004EDC4 3B20BCD0 3B20B420 0004EE1C
A4-A7:          0004EDB4 3B5C997C 3AC35A34 3AC35524
Supervisor ECB  00000000
Supervisor SR   0000
Supervisor PC   00000000
status 1C01FFFF (network computing system/RPC runtime)
In routine  "rs_unix_$getpwent_ssr" line 5
Called from diagnostic frame (00040004) - reference to illegal address
	(OS/MST manager) 
Called from "rpc_$execute_call" line 1785
Called from "execute_call_loop" line 585
Called from "rpc_$listen" line 1023
Called from "start_listeners" line 767
Called from "task_$base_proc" line 640
Called from "pgm_$invoke_uid_pn" line 1003

   Also, as you might expect, after the store fails all the glb registry
objects disappear (checked by /etc/ncs/lb_admin and /etc/ncs/drm_admin).
This problem happens regardless of whether on not I run a slave registry.
I've tried reinitializing the glbd data base (/etc/ncs/glbd -create -first)
, but this still results in the same problem when I try to add an entry. I
even tried changing the family to dds to see if that might do something, but
no dice. I've also recreated the registry from a backup, but again this was
no help. Is this a known problem? Oh, BTW typhoon is a DN4500 with 24MB ram,
so I'm fairly sure this is not the source of my problems. 

Oh, a few other things:

   1) Why does renice say that rgyd is niced -10, while ps says it is niced
      +11 ? What does ps know that renice does not or vice versa?

   2) What does the "-init_buf" option on rgyd do?

Cheers All!

Keir Morgan                 |  U.C. Berkeley's Open Computing Facility
kmorgan@ocf.berkeley.edu    | Unix accounts for UCB students -- if the
kmorgan@UCBOCF.BITNET       |  registry would add accounts, that is!

      
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From: munnari.oz.au!bruce.cs.monash.edu.au!merlin!ianh@uunet.uu.net  (Ian Hoyle)
Subject: awk question (building ISODE on an Apollo)
Organization: BHP Research - Melbourne Laboratories, AUSTRALIA
Distribution: fj
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:10:37 GMT
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I have an awk question.

This code snippet is from the ISODE-8.0 distribution. I have compiled it
OK on several machines, including my SG box, but neither awk, nawk or gawk
will let this thru on my Apollo DN10k (sr10.3.4) ....

                                                                        
awk '   { major = $1; minor = $2; local = $3 + 1; sfw = $4;         
          if (NF >= 5) note = $5; else note = ""; }                 
END     { printf "char *%sversion = \"%s%s %d.%d #%d ", sfw, sfw, note, major, m
inor, local;                                         
          printf "%d\n", local > "version.local"; }' < version         
echo '('$LOCAL') of '`date`'";'                    

where the file "version" looks like

==> version <==
8 0 0 compat

ie. a single line of 4 fields, and $LOCAL expands to the hostname.

but awk spits back the error:

awk: syntax error near line 3
awk: illegal statement near line 3
*** Exit 2


I know the output _should_ look like

char *compatversion = "compat 8.0 #6 (zaphod) of Fri Sep 25 14:02:15 EST 1992";

since this is what I got on the SG build.

Could someone please enlighten me where the awk syntax error might lie?? (I am
most *definitely* an awk neophyte !! :-)

	Ian

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From: hp-cv!sdd.hp.com!apollo.hp.com!netnews@hplabs.hpl.hp.com  (Nathaniel Mishkin)
Subject: Re: Help with NCS (NCA) please ...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company - Distributed Computing Program
Distribution: fj
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:13:49 GMT
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In article <1amfq6INNqnn@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, xx123yyy@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Brian Gregory Howard) writes:
>I am writing a report (for school) about remote procedure calls using
>Sun RPC and Apollo NCS.  Obtaining information and sample code for Sun
>RPC was very easy - Sun computers are everywhere and the complete RPC
>source is avilable at many FTP sites.  However, I need as much of the
>following informaiton about NCS as is posible.  (Thanks in advance!)
>
>	o  Are there any non-Apollo books on NCS?

The following are available from Prentice-Hall:

    Network Computing Architecture, Zahn, et al., ISBN 0-13-611674-4.
    Network Computing System Reference Manual, Kong, et al., ISBN
        0-13-617086-4.
    Network Computing System Tutorial, Lyons.  ISBN 0-13-617242-3.

Note also that there are now published books on OSF's DCE which you'd probably
find interesting.  O'Reilly & Associates has:

    Guide to Writing DCE Applications, Shirley, ISBN 1-56592-004-X

I've skimmed it and it looks pretty good.  It deals pretty much exclusively
with DCE RPC, which is the follow-on to NCS.

There's also a book (I think from Prentice-Hall but it might be
Addison-Wesley) called "Introduction to DCE".

>	o  What is needed to compile an NCS program.  (I have access to several
>	   DN series computers running SR10.2, SR10.3 and C V6.7.)

The NCS runtime ships as base software on Apollo DOMAIN and HP-UX.  The
NCS NIDL compiler (required for application development) is a layered
(optional) product that's on the price list.

>	o  Where can I obtain a simple NCS program in source form?  (A remote
>	   date procedure would be nice; however, any souce code using NCS
>	   would be helpful.)

The NIDL compiler product ships with several examples.  If for some reason
you can't get the product (I don't think the price is real high), then
I can send you the examples directly.

-- 
                    -- Nat Mishkin
                       Distributed Computing Program
                       Hewlett-Packard Company
                       mishkin@apollo.hp.com
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From: agate!spool.mu.edu!wupost!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!matt.ksu.ksu.edu!news@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Brian Gregory Howard)
Subject: Help with NCS (NCA) please ...
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: fj
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 10:08:06 GMT
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Hello all,
	I am writing a report (for school) about remote procedure calls using
Sun RPC and Apollo NCS.  Obtaining information and sample code for Sun RPC was
very easy - Sun computers are everywhere and the complete RPC source is
avilable at many FTP sites.  However, I need as much of the following
informaiton about NCS as is posible.  (Thanks in advance!)

	o  Are there any non-Apollo books on NCS?
	o  What is needed to compile an NCS program.  (I have access to several
	   DN series computers running SR10.2, SR10.3 and C V6.7.)
	o  Where can I obtain a simple NCS program in source form?  (A remote
	   date procedure would be nice; however, any souce code using NCS
	   would be helpful.)

			Thank-you

                                Brian G. Howard
                                brian@grace.ecc.ksu.edu
                                xx123yyy@matt.ksu.ksu.edu

#####  line 10 in file "proj$$$.c":  function "main()"

    ERROR #13:  Compiler is tired of looking at your sloppy code.

## EXIT 1
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From: haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!utcsri!helios.physics.utoronto.ca!alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca!aurum.chem.utoronto.ca!system@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (System Admin (Mike Peterson))
Subject: Installing cc 6.9.p / ftn 10.9.p
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: fj
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:54:45 GMT
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I am trying to install cc 6.9.p / ftn 10.9.p on our DN10000, and am
getting a message about "ISP of target node and product not the same".
Any clues? (I don't have the SR10.4.p AA installed on the system,
just the compilers, but I installed the m68k cc/ftn without incident
without the SR10.4 AA installed.)
-- 
What are the chances that any HP computer system will ever "work" properly?
.. and Slim just left town. -*- Mike Peterson, SysAdmin, U/Toronto Chemistry
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From: hp-cv!hp-pcd!hpfcso!steve-t@hplabs.hpl.hp.com  (Steve Taylor)
Subject: Re: Audio port on HP Apollo 9000/400t : How to use ?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Distribution: fj
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:03:44 GMT
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In comp.sys.apollo, SANDEEPM@tifrvax.BITNET (Sandeep Mangla) writes:
|     The 9000/400t has a Audio connector marked SPKR .
| ... can " not be used with workstations running Domain/OS " !
| ... being able to play voice and sound files would be great fun .

Even if you can find a way to drive the port, you won't be able to do
what you want.  The hardware is a TI sound chip which can produce 3
square waves of independent frequency and amplitude and 1 pseudo-random
signal of independent amplitude.  This is controlled by an Intel 8042
through a small (4-byte?) port.  Only the 425e in the 400 line has
newer hardware with a DAC for sound output, if I remember correctly.

						Regards, Steve taylor

NOT A STATEMENT, OFFICIAL OR OTHERWISE, OF THE HEWLETT-PACKARD COMPANY.
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From: thompson@pan.ssec.honeywell.com (jt -- John Thompson)
Subject: re: Installing cc 6.9.p / ftn 10.9.p
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba Science City
Distribution: fj
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:13:04 GMT
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Mike --
> I am trying to install cc 6.9.p / ftn 10.9.p on our DN10000, and am
> getting a message about "ISP of target node and product not the same".
> Any clues? (I don't have the SR10.4.p AA installed on the system,
> just the compilers, but I installed the m68k cc/ftn without incident
> without the SR10.4 AA installed.)

I don't know quite _why_, but the install program thinks that you're installing
to a m68k disk.  I've seen it before, and I haven't been able to figure out what
the RAI tools use to decide the architecture.  I've always worked around the 
problem, since _I'D_ never ever make a mistake and load the wrong s/w   :-)

>From the help file for 'install' (also for install++) --
>      -h   Ignore hardware compatibility checking.  By default, the install
>           tool will not install a product with an ISP type of a88k (that is,
>           one released for a DN10000 series node) to a target directory that
>           resides on a node with an ISP type of m68k (a non-DN10000 node), or
>           vice versa.  It will instead print an error message.  The -h option
>           forces the install tool to install all products in the configuration
>           to all specified targets, regardless of ISP type incompatibilities.

Just slap the -h switch on your command line and tell it you don't care whether
the ISP is wrong.

-- jt --
John Thompson
Design Services Engineer / Sys-Admin
Honeywell, SSEC
Plymouth, MN  55441
thompson@pan.ssec.honeywell.com

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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From: thompson@pan.ssec.honeywell.com (jt -- John Thompson)
Subject: re: Need acces to more disk space.
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba Science City
Distribution: fj
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:06:00 GMT
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> Anybody have experience adding large amounts of disk space to a token ring?
Please define "large amounts."  This can mean 2GB to one person, and 200GB to
another.

> I need to find viable options to acquire additional disk space.  The solution 
> will have to provide a fair degree of transparency to the end user, therefore
> FTP does not appear to be satisfactory.
> Is NFS a realistic approach?  Are there any good fileservers can connect
> directly to the ring?

Does it need to be in a single volume?  If so, the only Domain 'solution' I know
is to stripe several big SCSI-1 disks together into a single set.  Note that
there is no redundancy here, so you decrease the MTBF for the disk set.  This
also limits you to about 10GB per multi-disk (I can't remember what limits, if
any, Domain has for number of physical volumes, logical volumes, and volume size).
I don't think there are any RAID boxes that act as SCSI-1.  If there are, you
can go that route to get the redundancy while striping.  You still may bump into
Domain/OS limits on volume sizes.

If it can be in several (or many) pieces, then several disks distributed to 
machines on your ring would probably be best.  It also lets more machines handle
the file service that way.

I doubt there are any file-servers that plug into ATR, or that handle the Domain
file system.

NFS-mounting a Unix file-server _MIGHT_ be a solution for you, depending on how
transparent you need to be.  File-types are lost on NFS, so you can't store DSEE
objects, or Mentor7 databases, on an NFS file system.  (You can't store any files
there that aren't of type NIL, UNSTRUCT, COFF (others?), but most people who get 
bit seem to be bitten by DSEE or Mentor.)

Good luck -- hope this helps a bit
-- jt --
John Thompson
Design Services Engineer / Sys-Admin
Honeywell, SSEC
Plymouth, MN  55441
thompson@pan.ssec.honeywell.com

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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From: destroyer!terminator!pisa.citi.umich.edu!rees@gumby.wisc.edu  (Jim Rees)
Subject: re: timezone()
Organization: University of Michigan CITI
Distribution: fj
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:47:06 GMT
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In article <1992Oct2.160436.1@vxcrna.cern.ch>, roeber@vxcrna.cern.ch writes:

  Yes, I was wrong.  It seems that HP has left the initialization file
  /usr/include/apollo_$std.h intact, but the new compilers don't
  include it!  Go figure...

They could have easily avoided breaking timezone() by, for example, putting
it in crt0.o, or even time.h.  They put a comment in time.h, why not just
put the #define there?

I missed the announcement that HP was dropping support for bsd.  Did anyone
else catch it?
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From: FRPOLY11.BITNET!PMIDS@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Darrell Skinner)
Subject: dde 2.0 out of control ??
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique, Lab PMI
Distribution: fj
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:44:05 GMT
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   We've been having sporadic problems with dde on sys 10.4 (10.4 was
installed about a month ago).  dde launches the program to be debugged,
but seems to completely lose control of it.  The program just runs until
you kill it (and that can be difficult), and dde doesn't even know it's
debugging anything.  Happens both with 'dde doit' and the command within
dde 'debug doit'.  Once this problem starts cropping up, the only soln
seems to be to reboot the machine.  Any less drastic solutions?

   [ DN10000, 10.4 with no patches ... are there any "must" patches we
really should apply for what we do (mostly Fortran development and
number-crunching) ? ]

Darrell Skinner / skinner@poly.polytechnique.fr / PMIDS@FRPOLY11.BITNET
[ Pls copy any info to PMIDS@FRPOLY11.BITNET if you can, since our local
network is being scrambled by router installation this week -- Thanks]
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From: agate!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!wupost!darwin.sura.net!europa.asd.contel.com!emory!ogicse!news.u.washington.edu!zeus!davidb@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (David W. Barts)
Subject: $DISPLAY not getting set
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: fj
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 23:43:01 GMT
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On one of our systems, the DISPLAY environment variable is not
automatically set upon logging on.  On all other systems, it is
properly initialized to ":0" if a user logs in to the console.

I've tried to find where the magic file is that sets DISPLAY, but
I've had no luck.  All I know is that it is not one of the
/etc/rc*[1] files or anywhere in /sys/dm[2].

[1] I know this because the string DISPLAY is nowhere to be found
    in any rc* file on a system that _does_ set DISPLAY properly.

[2] I know this because I've copied the entire /sys/dm structure from
    a working system (identical in display hardware to the broken one)
    and rebooted the broken system to find it still broken.

Please respond by E-mail as I am having trouble keeping
up with my news reading right now.  Thanks.

--
David Barts  N5JRN                      UW Civil Engineering, FX-10
davidb@ce.washington.edu                Seattle, WA  98195
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From: <SP02038%SWTEXAS.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu>
Subject:  Portmap won't start
X-Original-To:  apollo@srvr1.engin.umich.edu, SP02038
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba Science City
Distribution: fj
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:33:00 GMT
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        Well, everything (more or less) was going just dandy until
        last night.  Our file server (DN4000 w/ SR10.4 and NFS 2.3)
        is having problems.  Namingly, portmap won't start, which
        means no one can mount the file server.  The file server can
        mount other machines, but not the other way around.  When I
        type /etc/portmap to start it manually, I just get my prompt
        back with no server started.  There are no error messages!
        Just a quiet exit.  This is very unquieting!  Any ideas?

        The only thing I did last night was to shut down the node,
        did a salvol on the disk to update the quota table, and
        then rebooted the system.  Then there was remote nfs access.
        Portmap wasn't there, and nfsd and mountd had timed out.

        Help!!!

        Shaun Pankau
        UNIX Systems Administrator
        Computer Science Department
        Southwest Texas State University
        e-mail: sp02038@swtexas.bitnet
                sp02038%swt.decnet@relay.the.net
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