HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Subject: 2.1b and SVGA sync
Reply-To: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Organization: Columbia University, New York
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:47:11 GMT

OK.  I have had 2.1b running in 800x600x256 mode for a week, now.
Tseng ET4000 (Diamond Speedstar 24).
I just tried running cshow, and the PM desktop lost sync completely!
Not only doesn't vmode fix this, but pressing reset doesn't either!~
Next I am going to try turning the machine off completely...if not, then
I will replace the .PMI file.  Does anyone know what happened and why?
Did cshow change the card timings permanently in a way OS2 can't handle?
This is very serious.

Full screen sessions are ok, and I learned from experience to put start /fs
into startup.cmd just in case something messes up PM :-)

What sort of bug is this?
Thanks
Meir

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Must I have to reformat to install the new OS/2 2.1 beta
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:53:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.231908.23815@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>Hi all, I just got the OS/2 2.1 Beta, I'm using OS/2 2.0 GA now,
>>can I just put the 2.1 Beta over my 2.0 GA?
>Highly recommended.

...that you reformat.  (Sorry for the confusion.)

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: gregb@gout.austin.ibm.com
Subject: Thunderboard drivers?
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:41:13 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16g by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: gregb@pro-lep.cts.com
Organization: IBM Austin

I've been sort of looking for a soundboard, but one without all the
extras that seem to have become "standard", i.e. cd-rom port,
brain-dead MIDI, since I'm already pretty well loaded up on that.  I
was given a pointer to the Thunderboard, made by Media Vision.  Does
anyone know if the latest MV MMPM drivers will work on this board?

Thanks.
__________________________________________________________
Greg Bryant                                 (512) 795-0323
Delta Music Systems                             Austin, TX
INET: gregb@pro-lep.cts.com
ARPA: wixer!pro-lep!gregb@cs.utexas.edu
Just consulting.   Not an employee.   Not representing IBM
From: terry@uts.amdahl.com (Lewis T. Flynn)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: 8514 drivers and the ATI Graphics Ultra
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:17:34 GMT
Distribution: comp.os.os2.misc
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

frigo@psl.wisc.edu (Sean P. Frigo UW-Madison SRC (608)877-2332,-2001(FAX)) writes:

>In article <SCASTILL.93Jan20092358@tesla.nmsu.edu>, scastill@nmsu.edu (Steve Castillo) writes:

>As someone said in an earlier post, it is not IBM's fault for no seamless ATI
>Graphics Ultra/Vantage drivers for OS/2, its ATI's.  However if there
>is no Video Development Kit released from IBM, then it's their fault.

The Bay Area OS/2 User's Group had a special meeting at the Windows &
OS/2 Conference in San Jose to hear Lee Reiswig. One the questions
asked was about development kits (or lack thereof). He said the delay
wasn't due to lack of intent on IBM's part, but due to legal problems
with Microsoft. These problems are resolved and the golden masters have
been cut with the first production kits shipping next week. Now, I may
have misinterpreted which kit he meant assuming there's more than one),
but the Microsoft part was quite definite. Has anyone else heard this?
Sounds like the driver kit problem was Microsoft erecting every
possible obstacle, not IBM.

Terry
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: win-os2 (2.1 beta) printing problems ...
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:37:28 GMT

In article <PFoqXB1w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> dneufeld@student.business.uwo.ca (Derrick J. Neufeld) writes:
>grrrrr!!  After installing 2.1b, I can't get win-os/2 programs (such as word) 
>to print -- tells me to re-install printer driver (which I did to no avail) -- 
>also, all of my word fonts disappeared -- even the system fonts.  DOS and OS/2 
>apps print fine -- just windows apps can't print.  Any help out there?

It sounds like the LaserJet III bug in Win-OS/2 beta.  Do not use the
LJ III driver -- back off and use the LJ IIP driver.

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From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: MVS on Workstations? (Was "economics of os2 for ibm")
Date: 21 Jan 1993 15:22:46 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.os2.misc
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <Gary.Woodman.933.727589153@anu.edu.au> Gary.Woodman@anu.edu.au (Gary Woodman) writes:
>Hmmm, Jay, CICS/2 and COBOL/2 have been available for a couple of years 
>now... but I take your point.

Just how good are CICS/2 and COBOL/2 as development platforms for the
mainframe versions? Can a program developed for those two be run on the
mainframe with little more than a recompilation? (I'm probably going to get to
find out firsthand, if my promised PC upgrade ever happens...)

>I'd use one - if I had a sysprog-type job 
>again. Somehow I don't think that's very likely, I get the feeling that MVS 
>sysprogs are starting to follow the COBOL programmers down the path to 
>oblivion...

I'd use one too, but I suspect that justifying the reputed $5K cost of the
thing would be difficult. It'd be neat, though, as it lowers the cost of the
minimum MVS system, as right now it's a high-end rackmount ES/9000.

I hope you're wrong about the path to oblivion, but my knowledge of the MVS
sysprog market in Houston gives me little optimism...
-- 
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jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
    "I don't want to read poor Microsoft bashing. I want to read good
Microsoft bashing." -- Douglas A. Bell, in comp.os.os2.advocacy (Me too!)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jtcm15@moscow.cc.bellcore.com (Dennis Meade)
Subject: Re: 2.1 beta and CVW
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 16:58:12 GMT
Summary: Codeview and OS/2 2.1b

In article <1993Jan19.225730.10570@melb.bull.oz.au>, gbj@melb.bull.oz.au (Graham Jose) writes:
> Has anybody managed to get CodeView for Windows running under OS/2 2.1
> beta? Am I attempting the impossible?
> 
> Graham Jose
> 


Codeview for windows ( 3.07.00 ) runs fine for me under the OS/2 2.1 beta
using a dual monitor setup (8514/vga).
Here's what I did:
   1. Drag a program template to a folder or to the desktop.
   2. On the program settings program page, set path and filename to point
        to cvw3.exe, parameters to /8 <buggy program name >.
   3. On the program settings session page, make sure WIN-OS/2 full
        screen is selected.  If you can't select WIN-OS/2 full screen, do a
        selective install of DOS and WIN-OS/2,  As has been pointed out
        by a number of posters, this seems to straighten out the configuration
        of WIN-OS/2 if it is not working correctly after a full install.
    4. On the same page, select WIN-OS/2 settings:
        a.  You may need to up the DPMI_MEMORY_LIMIT.
        b.  Set HW_ROM_TO_RAM to on.
        c.  If you're using the 8514/vga dual monitor configuration, set
             VIDEO_8514A_XGA_IOTRAP to off and set
             VIDEO_SWITCH_NOTIFICATION to on.  This last from the
             OS/2 2.0 GA readme.

Actually Codeview almost runs fine.  The mouse pointer is unusable, but
since Codeview has a keyboard interface I can live with this problem.

Having said all this, I still can't get Codeview 4.0 which comes with MSC 7.00
to run.  I had hoped the addition of enhanced mode to WIN-OS/2 would
allow this version to run.

Dennis Meade
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: ibrahim@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Naliberal)
Subject: HELP installing OS/2 2.0
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:47:25 GMT

Well, I finally decided to take the plunge and install OS/2 on
my system...only problem is that I can't.  My problem is that
OS/2 must be installed from drive A, which on my computer
is a 5 1/4" drive.  I have OS/2 on 3 1/2" disks and my 3 1/2"
drive is labeled B.  My question is how do I rename my 
floppy drives.  I tried using the DOS command "Assign a=b",
but that didn't work.
Please email a response.

Thanks a bunch.
Nabeel "MS Windows hater" Ibrahim
:-)
From: mystical@nmt.edu (Gurupartap Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Must I have to reformat to install the new OS/2 2.1 beta
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:53:27 GMT
Organization: New Mexico Tech


>>>Hi all, I just got the OS/2 2.1 Beta, I'm using OS/2 2.0 GA now,
>>>can I just put the 2.1 Beta over my 2.0 GA?
>>Highly recommended.
>
>...that you reformat.  (Sorry for the confusion.)

Grrrr.


;)



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From: ak@ananke.stgt.sub.org (Andreas Kaiser)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: PS/2s and OS/2 
Distribution: world
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 16:37:04 GMT
Organization: ananke


In article <C0x5vM.KKw@news.iastate.edu> A1.MCL@isumvs.iastate.edu writes:

  > A PS/2 should be able to run OS/2 faster, seeing as it has ABIOS,
  > can have DMA parallel ports and serial ports, busmaster adapters
  > like SCSI, etc. that can free up the main processor and make a
  > slower main CPU seem faster.

	ABIOS:

What is the advantage of ABIOS regarding OS/2 performance? ISA systems
do not use ABIOS (there is none), do not use BIOS but use native
drivers loaded in (fast) RAM. So why should ABIOS be superior to a
native driver?

There could be one advantage: Machine dependant stuff could be put into
the ABIOS, allowing incompatible hardware without getting into the
well-known driver problem. But IBM states, their new PS/2 machines with
preloaded OS/2 do not accept any previous brand of OS/2, neither OS/2
GA nor the Service Pack. So what about ABIOS?

	Concurrent DMA:

Current ISA system usually have just one true DMA client, the floppy
controller. A bus master adapter is a second client, but what the
Adaptec does with the ISA bus regarding "bus fairness" (leaving some
time for floppy, with too little time for slow mainboards in the GA
driver), the MCA cards have to do also (note the "fairness" setting in
the machine setup).

	Bus-Master DMA:

It is of little help to have an (IBM!) bus mastering SCSI adapter, if
the adapter doesn't grok how to switch the IBM(!) disk drive into
synchronous mode. A fast bus doesn't save you from a stupid design.

		Gruss, Andreas
  
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Organization: Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien, Vienna, Austria
Date: Monday, 18 Jan 1993 12:04:24 CET
From: FLATSCHER Rony <RONY@awiwuw11.wu-wien.ac.at>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 equivalent of rm -r ???
 <1993Jan14.191529.5071@ludd.luth.se>

Hey, it is OS/2.

So leave the drive-object for your drive opened. Once you want to delete
all those directories just drag the top-most directory to the shredder and
drop it. No need for utilities in this area.

---rony
P.S.: It seems that the drive-object displays faster if you set it to show
the content in sorted order by default. Don't ask why.
From: jbodnar@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (John Bodnar)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: HPFS compatability with other OS's
Date: 23 Jan 1993 07:24:31 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jbodnar@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (John Bodnar)
NNTP-Posting-Host: flubber.cc.utexas.edu

According to dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap):
>I'd be really surprised if they get DOS to mount HPFS.  Considering
>that the OS/2 driver (which is 16-bit code also) occupies about 512K
>of memory.  It might be smaller if desiged with the assumption of
>single-tasking, but that would cripple Windows (the same way FAT does
>now!).

DOS 5.0 does have the IFS= command for CONFIG.SYS.  Check out a genuine
MS-DOS 5.0 Upgrade manual for this.

Of course, I have no idea how the hell DOS could handle an installable file
system.  DOS just can't support the kind of memory requirements for this.
I bet Windows could be made to use an IFS (just stick it in the
SYSTEM.INI).

Of course, this would be quite a restriction.  You'd probably need a
separate volume formatted for the IFS, and it'd be accessible under Windows
only.  Not a particularly clean implementation.  The file system ought to
more or less be invisible to an application, so this kind of precludes
Windows having an IFS since it's an application and not an OS.
-- 
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From: sal8@po.cwru.edu (Steve Luzynski)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Questions for OS/2.2
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:50:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
NNTP-Posting-Host: b61442.student.cwru.edu

In article <1993Jan20.231437.23442@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples) writes:
>From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
>Subject: Re: Questions for OS/2.2
>Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 23:14:37 GMT
>In article <sal8.280.727557839@po.cwru.edu> sal8@po.cwru.edu (Steve Luzynski) writes:
>>OS/2 developer and user. got an idea? mail it in, i'm bored.
>
>Easy: a freely available TCP/IP stack that will interface with any
>NDIS driver.
>
>Easy to talk about, difficult to do, though.

Ouch. I still haven't installed TCPIP for OS/2 since I can't boot plain dos 
and haven't seen a mail program for OS/2 that is as nice as Popmail for DOS. 
I _have_ been talking with our head (only) MS-DOS network programmer here 
about writing such a thing, though. 

I'll write it down. You never know, maybe I'll do it. :)

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From: opheys@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de (Thomas "Sledge" Opheys)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: installing 2.1; DISK 1; COUNTRY.SYS error
Date: 21 Jan 1993 09:38:08 GMT
Organization: University of Passau, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: spock.fmi.uni-passau.de

In article <C165Dz.5rM@sci.kun.nl> rik@sci.kun.nl (Rik Fleuren) writes:
>In <1jgbjvINNs3l@tom.rz.uni-passau.de> opheys@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de (Thomas "Sledge" Opheys) writes:
>>Problem: after having inserted DISK 1, my disk drive makes some awful
>>noises and then I get the message "unable to load COUNTRY.SYS"...
>>I know the cause of the problem because the same happened to me with 2.0.
>>But there I could simply rem out the BASEDEV=IBM1S506.ADD line and everything
>>went fine. Or I had to copy IBMINT13.I13 over IBM1S506.ADD. But that worked.
>
>Did you try the beta-IBM1S506.ADD from IBM? I had a similar problem with the
>service pack, but replacing IBM1S506.ADD with the beta-version solved it.
>
Yes, I tried the new ibm1s506.add. With the /v switch, I could see that
this driver works - the error orrurs after that. So, what? This time it's
the ibm1flpy.add driver that doesn't work on my machine. I copied the
Service Pack ibm1flpy.add to the OS/2 2.1 Install Disk 1 - and now it works.
Strange... in 2.0, ibm1s506 doesn't work, in 2.1 ibm1flpy doesn't...
Don't they like Amstrad machines at IBM?

Thomas
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Internal Processing Total Lockup
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:39:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.234659.1083@intellistor.com> cwolff@intellistor.com (Clint Wolff) writes:
>>I am having trouble running a wide variety of programs under OS2.  They seem
>>to have no connection to one another like Word Perfect 5.1, Procomm Plus, and]
>>any install program for Windows software.  The entire system locks up and 
>>gives me the message of "The System detected an internal processing error
>>at location ##0160:fff6453f - 000d:a53f. 60000, 9084  048600b4 internal
>>revision 6.307, 92/03/01.    I can't figure this one out.  I have even 
>>tried re-installing by reformatting the drive.  Please Help!
>>Jamie Anderson   ANDERJH@Ducvax.auburn.edu
>This has nothing to do with the problem, but it sure would be nice if
>there was some magic sequence that you could type to make the message on
>the screen come out the printer.... Like maybe <prtscrn?>... Are you 
>listening IBM????

I seem to recall that that feature is slated for 2.1.

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From: ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 Wish List
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:18:09 GMT
 <enk2.83.727847427@po.cwru.edu> <1993Jan24.041403.27929@midway.uchicago.edu>
 <93025.124631ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET>
Organization: Forschungszentrum Juelich

In article <93025.124631ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET>, <ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET> says:
>
>Take a look at Windows to see how to do it.

Sorry for beeing unclear inmy previous posting. I'm only referring to Windows
for it painting the background of the icon text instead of letting it
transparent in OS/2. I don't think it is better configurable than OS/2.

 Michael Bode
From: claudio.fahey@idcbbs.com (Claudio Fahey) 
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: os/2 2.1 beta - my 2 cents worth
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:20:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: IDC BBS - Alameda, CA - 510-865-7115
Reply-To: claudio.fahey@idcbbs.com (Claudio Fahey) 

To: gah@board8.uucp (Gregg Hungerford)

GH>   Some observations about the 2.1 beta:
GH>     It looks nice, like the improvements are worth waiting for but it's too
GH>  buggy for me. The windows 3.1 looked good but I crashed it a couple of time
GH>  The multimedia thing didn't behave at all (I have soundblaster 2.0). Perhap
GH>  I missed something somewhere, but I still had 16 glorious colors (I have
GH>  16 million working on windows 3.1 - a cirrus avga3 card).
GH>     I also finally discovered why NOT to use hpfs. The multimedia drivers
GH>  crashed the system during the os2 boot. I couldn't access the hpfs partitio
GH>  from my dos/windows partition, so I couldn't remove the drivers and had
GH>  to start over from scratch. Anyone know any other recovery?

Sure.  You could have just booted with the original OS/2 disks and then
exit the installation program to the command prompt.  You then could
have used an OS/2 editor, such as Technical Editor ( T.EXE ), and
modify the config.sys, or you could have just deleted the driver.
---
 . OLX 2.1 TD . We should go metric every inch of the way!
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Which OS/2 to use???????????????????????????????????
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:15:59 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1993Jan21.094433.6572@ericsson.se> etllnfr@eddie.ericsson.se (Lyndon Fletcher) writes:
>First could someone provide me with a list of CSD's and individual patches
>that should be placed on OS/2 2.0 GA to produce the most featured, bug
>free system. Windows 3.1, CDROM and ESDI controller support would be usefull

Just install GA and apply the service pack (level XR-6055).  This will
bring you to the current released level.  There are no additional
patches that you should apply unless you're having problems.  If you
buy a fresh package today, I believe it will already be at this
service level.  (you can type "syslevel" at a prompt to find out - if
you have the 32-bit graphics engine installed, you're at XR-6055 or
better)

Windows 3.1 support is currently only beta code.  If you want, you can
donwload the OS/2 2.1 beta package, which includes it.

CDROM is supported if you have a supported drive and a supported SCSI
adapter for it.  If your drive is non-SCSI, you'll need a custom
driver.  Many can be gotten from the manufacturers or from ftp sites.
Most of the SCSI adapter/CD-ROM drive combinations are now supported.

ESDI controllers are supported without additional drivers.  I know
this, since many IBM PS/2 systems have ESDI drives, and the install
program configures for them automatically.

>Second question is on the Beta. Someone said that it was available on CDROM,
>and as I am going to get a ROM drive I was wondering where this CD
>was available from. If I load the Beta what am I letting myself in
>for???  Is the improvement worth the hassles of any new bugs?????  

The OS/2 2.1 beta can be downloaded (29 floppy images, I believe) from
many ftp sites or you can get it (with other stuff) on an IBM DAP CD
for $15.  For the CD, call your local IBM dealer (or 1-800-3IBM-OS2 in
the USA) for ordering information.  You must be a DAP member, but I
think membership is free, so just sign up when you call.

As for reliability, there are many bugs in the 2.1 beta, but most of
the bad ones seem to be linked to "upgrading" to it.  As with any beta
code, you should re-format your OS/2 partition before installing beta
code.  Personally, I'm not installing it - I can't afford the problems
that go along with installing beta code on my only computer.
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