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From: mmf@evolving.com (Mark Frazier)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: traffic rules (was: Hints on commuting by bike?)
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:49:39 GMT
Organization: Evolving Systems, Inc.

robertb@tarski.mit.edu (Robert Becker) writes:
: 
: Hi.  You forget that it's illegal to ride a bicycle on virtually all, if
: not all, highways in MA.  Thus the likelihood of happening upon a car
: going 55 is reduced.  Usually car speeds are maximum 40.  By your above
: mental experiment, the closing speed when heading towards each other is
: 60 mph, certainly fatal.  A 20 mph collision, however, can be survived,
: especially if the bike is going in the same direction.
: 
	The average speed on an Aurora, CO. surface road with 6 lanes (3 in
	each direction) is 50 - 55 MPH. THe limit is 40! These roads are all
	over Denver, and they are ones I have to ride on, even if I'm just
	going to the bike path. I'm not exagerating here. I don't know
	how many times I've gotten going "with the flow", and looked down
	to see 55 on my speedometer (in my truck, not on the bike!). OF
	course, there are NO shoulders whatsoever on these roads. You're
	either in the lane, or in the gutter.

MMF
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Riding a MTB in sand
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:55:32 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

ncherry@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil j.cherry) writes:

>How does one ride a MTB through sand? I have a Schwinn High Plains with 2.0"
>tires and I lowered the pressure to about 25#s. I can get the front tire to
>go exactly where I want, but the rear tire squiggles. If I back off the
>power I stall, if I add more power I spin and sqiggle. I could walk, but that
>defeats the purpose of cycling ;-}.

[from my memories of riding in sand pits on a _non_ MTB department-store
10-speed with 1.25" tires]

Squiggling is not all that bad of a thing.  If you can learn to control the
sliding of your wheels, you can develop a sort of 'sidewinder' method of
riding.  In deep sand, this might be your only option - controlled slides,
first to one side, then to the other.

	-Shag
-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
From: newlin@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Doug Newlin)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:58:14 GMT
Subject: Re: "Hiawatha" brand bicycle
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc

I believe the Hiawatha was a "house brand" for Montomery Ward back in the
40's, 50's and early 60's.  They were probably made by Columbia or other
U.S. bike manufacturer.  In fact, I believe some of these "house brand"
bikes were actually made by Schwinn.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest)
Subject: Welcome to rec.bicycles.misc
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 05:43:25 GMT

I'm pleased to see that this group is alive and well.
Here is the charter, in case you don't remember.

rec.bicycles.misc: General riding techniques, rider physiology,
injuries and treatment, diets, and other cycling topics.

Note that "other cycling topics" do NOT include topics covered by
other rec.bicycles.* groups.  For example, notices of equipment for
sale or wanted should NOT appear here.

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From: weird@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.t.erhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Hybrid Bikes?
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:10:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbfsb.1992Aug28.171025.12647
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug28.161526.20134@athena.mit.edu> stigmata@athena.mit.edu (???) writes:
>In article <168517A3F.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu> MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:
>>>
>>This sort of fits the idea that a hybrid is a road bike with flat bars and
>>larger tires. I ride a road bike everywhere the road is paved, and used to
>>commute regularly on one. I do have a "hybrid"- but it has drop bars, and
>>I only use it for rough roads and mild off-road.
>>
>>                                --mike
>
>i don't know about other people, but i, unfortunately, ride my
>racing bike over rough roads all the time.  i also ride through
>grass and occassionaly(sp?) through gravel, and i have yet to
>get a flat due to this reason, at least immediately evident.
>so, at least by definition, my road bike is also an off-road
>bike, and since i have ridden it up mountains, i guess it is
>a mountain bike.  wow, i got more bike for my money than i 
>originally thought. :-)
>
>andy

That's what cyclocross is.  IT's been around a lot longer than mountain
bikes have been.  What do you think those guys ride on?  Road bikes.
The frames are slightly different but esentially the same.  THe bottom
bracket is going to be higher for clearance.  There may be braze ones
for cantileaver brakes, and the geometry might be a little bit different.
But it's a road bike through and through.  For wheels I think they use
something like 400 gm rims like the Mavic GP4. (Yes that's a sew up
rim) maybe 36 spokes, for some extra strength.  

If you think your road bike can only handle smooth roads, you should
watch a USPRO race.  Those guys are fierce. They really know how to beat
up a bike.  The equipment isn't really that much different from what
most of us use.  Dura ace or Campy record and Columbus SLX bikes

It really annoys me when people say they don't want a road bike because
it won't handle the roads they ride on.  Cyclocross riders have been
doing it all along.  If you can't handle some gravel or dirt with
700x20 or 23 tires then you don't know how to ride your bike. 

P.S. I'm not sure what equipment cyclocross riders use, since I'm never
done a cyclocross race, but I can find out and let you all know.

John
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Re: "Hiawatha" brand bicycle
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:14:11 GMT

In article <BtwMG2.LEo@cs.psu.edu> melvin@math.psu.edu writes:
>Schwinn did make a bike for B.F.Goodridge.
>

I think it was Firestone rather than Goodrich.
As I recall, the boys model was a wierd maroon (almost) with 
white trim and a dark green pinstrip on the fenders.


-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston)
Subject: Re: Frequency of flats
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:34:28 GMT

In article <1685070DC.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu> MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:

[Various reasons for excessive flats, deleted]

   (Any other thoughts, bikies?)

I will add my experience to this and say the type and quality of tube used in the
wheel makes a big difference. My bike, a mostly-stock '92 Bridgestone RB-2, of 
course, came with Bridgestone tubes. For some reason I seemed to flat fairly
frequently. In fact, half a dozen times per week wasn't uncommon. Without
even thinking about it, one day I got lazy and just changed the tube after
getting a flat. Perhaps a week later I did the same for the other wheel.

Since the old Bridgestone tubes were replaced, I've had LESS than a handful of
flats. In fact, I trying to remember, as I compose this, just exactly WHEN my
last flat was.... I'm not using any of your Special-Super-Duper-High-Tech-New-
Fangled-Flexible-Titanium Inner Tubes or other tricks. I'm ride the
same as I did, if not harder, and babying my tires less than I did and still
fewer flats have resulted.

What am I using? Just plain, old Nashbar butyl inner tubes. At about $2 each
they seem to be a good value. Your experience may vary, but don't overlook 
inner tubes when you're plagued by flats.

MJ

--
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  =-=-=  The official .signature of the 1992 Barcelona Olympics. =-=-=

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: rpimente@es.com (Richard Pimentel)
Subject: Re: Crank arm length
Reply-To: rpimente@es.com (Richard Pimentel)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 19:55:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.010106.1421@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com>, harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney) writes:
|> shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry) writes:
|> : In article <1992Aug27.195556.25113@dsd.es.com> rpimente@es.com
|> : (Richard Pimentel) is crank-y: 
|> : >I am thinking about buying a new crank set for my road bike because mine
|> : >does not accept a 39 tooth chain ring 
|> : 
|> : I am not sure I understand this.  Why won't it accept a 39 tooth ring?
|> : If it is a road bike, then it ought to have the bolt circles
|> : compatible with a 39 tooth ring.
|> 
|> Not if he has _real_ cranks:  Campagnolo Nuovo/Super Record chainrings
|> are only widely available down to 42.  There were 41 tooth rings
|> available occasionally, but the bolt holes intruded into the machined
|> area of the teeth.  Heck, he might even have _really_real_ cranks:
|> Campy (old) Record cranks would only go down to 44 teeth.  Sugino (and
|> others) made copies of both of these crank styles.
|> 
|> Harry Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com


	Actually the crank set I have is a high-end Specialize of the 
	mid-80's variety. (I think Specialize is no longer in the component
	business.) It, and the pedals, was an exact lock-off of the 
	Campy Record group. It is beautifully finished and I hate to 
	just stick the crank in a box somewhere but I guess I am just not 
	studly enough to turn that 42 tooth spocket. In the Salt Lake area 
	most two lane paved roads are in the surrounding mountains. The 
	valley is just full of traffic and smog.

	--Richard Pimentel
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: mattd@cltr.uq.oz.au (Matthew Deshon)
Subject: Re: painful groins - relief needed
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:13:40 GMT

zstern@adobe.com (Zalman Stern) writes:

>In article <1992Aug26.073542.10874@marlin.jcu.edu.au>  
>glpal@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Piers Larcombe) writes:
>[Discusses sore groin problems.]

>I've read that one key is to avoid bacterial problems by washing well with  
>some sort of antibacterial soap before and after riding. You can also get  
>allergic reactions to detergents used in washing your shorts. I always wash  
>mine out in the shower rubbing the chamois with normal bath soap and rinsing  
>well. A couple of iterations seems to work well.

This works well for me also.

>Part of it is also getting used to sitting on the saddle and getting the fit  
>right. Through adjustment (both physical and mechanical) my butt and my bike  
>have come to a mutual understanding eliminating most of the pain of being in  
>the saddle. (I can ride 50+ miles and sit down afterwards anyway :-)) Now if  
>I can get my legs and knees to shape up all will be well.

I had similar problems when i got a new bike earlier this year.  First decent
ride (65kms) I couldn't sit down afterwards, and spent 2-3 days in adject
misery.  The problem was that the seat was canted too far back.  I leave 
contemplation of the change in pressure points as an exercise for the reader :)

Anyway, changing the angle of the seat a few degrees to the front removed all
the problems.

matt

--
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Applications Programmer,                     "And all my instincts they return,
Centre for Language Teaching and Research     The grand facade so soon will burn
University of Queensland		      Without a noise, without my pride
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Phone : +61 7 365 6915				- Peter Gabriel
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: "Hiawatha" brand bicycle
From: Eric Schweitzer <ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 1 Sep 1992 03:21:27 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <117790001@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com>, newlin@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Doug Newlin)
says:
> <writing of Montgomery-Wards et al>
>                         In fact, I believe some of these "house brand"
>bikes were actually made by Schwinn.

Although my experience on stuff from the 40's is limited, I am fairly
certain that schwinn never produced for the department stores. Not only
would this cut their own throat, but I have never seen a non-schwinn
use schwinn sized hardware (eg, #64 rather than #66 BB bearings,
26tpi rather than 24tpi hardware on BB).
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Dorks and the advertisement
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 17:20:03 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: rec.bicyclists.misc

I don't know about the rest of you, but after reading
one too many bicycle for sale ads, I have to wonder what
these jerks have in mind.

Exactly what good is an ad that doesn't contain the relevant
information, like _WHAT THE SIZE OF THE BIKE IS_?

Also, I have tried to send e-mail to many peole show
have asked for advice. I find that perhaps 20% of them
don't have correct addresses in their messages so you can't get
in touch with them. This being the case wouldn't it be
somewhat intelligent to either include a home phone or
address so that yolu could be sure of contacting them? I
know it's too much to expect most people who use the net to understand
how to enter an e-mail address.

And wouldn't you like a price? Or maybe the thinking is that
they will receive bids on their priceless relic (A Trek 1100).
From: stigmata@athena.mit.edu (???)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Hybrid Bikes?
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:15:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Aug28.161526.20134
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <168517A3F.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu> MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:
>>
>This sort of fits the idea that a hybrid is a road bike with flat bars and
>larger tires. I ride a road bike everywhere the road is paved, and used to
>commute regularly on one. I do have a "hybrid"- but it has drop bars, and
>I only use it for rough roads and mild off-road.
>
>                                --mike

i don't know about other people, but i, unfortunately, ride my
racing bike over rough roads all the time.  i also ride through
grass and occassionaly(sp?) through gravel, and i have yet to
get a flat due to this reason, at least immediately evident.
so, at least by definition, my road bike is also an off-road
bike, and since i have ridden it up mountains, i guess it is
a mountain bike.  wow, i got more bike for my money than i 
originally thought. :-)

andy
From: wolgamot@milton.u.washington.edu (Greg Wolgamot)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Wheel truing I need advice
Date: 27 Aug 92 00:33:47 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Aug25.200946.15374@samba.oit.unc.edu> Richard.Banks@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Richard Banks) writes:
>
>I need both my front and rear wheels trued on my 18-speed 26 in.
>Mountain Bike.  The bike shop charges $4.00 per wheel to do this.
>Is this reasonable?  Are there any home methods that I can use that
>will be effective?  Thanks.
>
>--
>   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
>     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
>        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
>           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80

FOUR BUCKS!!!???  I just got charged $15 per wheel at Gregg's in Seattle!
Did I get ripped off?

				-GreG
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: miket@unislc.uucp (Michael Thompson)
Subject: Looking for Rod Miller
Reply-To: miket@unislc.UUCP (Michael Thompson,B2C04,4560)
Organization: Unisys, Salt Lake City
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:25:03 GMT


Please excuse the inappropriate post to this group.  I tried to respond
to a post but the mail bounced back.  If I promise to probably never do 
it again will everyone please not flame me too much?  Thanks


Rod Miller, I have some info for you concerning your inquiry.  Best to 
just pick up the phone and call me.


Mike Thompson
(801) 594-4560
unislc!miket
miket@unislc.slc.unisys.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: traffic rules (was: Hints on commuting by bike?)
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.soc
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organizatoin
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:30:06 GMT

Let me say it once again: rec.bicycles.misc is NOT the place to post
everything you used to send to rec.bicycles.  In particular, this
thread on traffic rules belongs in rec.bicycles.soc.  I've set my
"Followup to:" field to put responses there.

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Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: hoppe@cs.cornell.edu (Bruce E. Hoppe)
Subject: Real chamois shorts (WAS Re: Saddle sores)
Organization: Cornell University, CS Dept., Ithaca, NY
Distribution: rec.bicycles.misc
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:49:41 GMT

Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes writes:
|> Thus spoke the keyboard of hoppe@cs.cornell.edu (Bruce E. Hoppe):
|> >My best cure for chronic saddle sores was to use real chamois shorts,
|> 
|> Real shorts with real chamois are really hard to find! Do they still
|> exist, or do they belong to the past?

I purchased Performance real chamois shorts and chamois cream way back in
'89, so they may have disappeared since then.  More recently, in '91 I
purchased a pair of Giordana real chamois shorts -- these were a pretty
deluxe pair of shorts, with amazingly stretchy lycra.

I haven't looked for shorts since then, but I always thought real chamois
was easy to find if you wanted it.  (Easier than, say, finding spare parts
for 1984 Dura-Ace AX components :)

Bruce Hoppe
hoppe@cs.cornell.edu
From: v008pcqu@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Patrick E Tuxbury)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Bike gifsite problem
Date: 2 Sep 92 05:37:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


     I seem to be having trouble getting the bicycle gifs from the site
vab02.larc.nasa.gov.  Only half of the images (if even that much) are
coming through.  The only one that actually worked was the Indurain.jpg.
Has anyone else experienced this problem.  I'd like to obtain these gifs
so if anyone could help me out I would really appreciate it.  Thanks.
							patrick
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.tech
From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Cycling Gives Me A Neck Ache -- Recommendations??
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:44:18 GMT

In <Kevin_Bailey-250892082306@msdmac36.msd.anl.gov> Kevin_Bailey@qmgate.anl.gov (Kevin Bailey) writes:

>In article <1992Aug25.012051.18138@indetech.com>, lzs@indetech.com ()
>wrote:
>> 
>> I have a problem that is interfering with my enjoyment of cycling. If
>> I cycle for more than about 2 hours, my neck and (esp) shoulder muscles
>> start to KILL me!! And for the next several days, I have to take anti-
>> inflammatories and pain killers. Not good!!!

>Hmm, I experienced the same thing this spring after buying a new MTN bike. 
>After concentrating on my riding position I discovered that I had my arms
>either locked or very stiff.  Between that and my deathgrip on the bars I
>had no shock absorption and was giving my neck and back a real hammering. 

Being too tense is one possibility, another is
mis-distributing the load between saddle and bars so that
your shoulders are doing too much work.  This is usually a
function of the distance from the saddle to the bars
and/or the relative height of the saddle and the bars.
Since saddle height and fore-aft positioning are mostly
determined the demands of pedalling, saddle-bar
adjustments are best made at the stem.  A good book or a
well-trained shop will help you find the right stem height
and length.  One common rough estimate is to put your
elbow against the saddle nose and extend your hand towards
the bars -- a good fit will usually have your finger tips
between the forward edge of the bar tops and an inch or so
behind the bars depending on your body shape and riding
style.  (As I said, a rough guideline, but also a simple
one.)

If this new bike replaces an old one that did not give you
these problems, measuring the old saddle nose to bars distance
is a good place to start.
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: rpetty@mu.enet.dec.com (Rich Petty)
Subject: Re: Riding a MTB in sand
Reply-To: rpetty@mu.enet.dec.com (Rich Petty)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:56:24 GMT

--
In article <1992Aug28.183952.17519@cbfsb.cb.att.com>,
ncherry@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil j.cherry) writes:
|>
|>How does one ride a MTB through sand? I have a Schwinn High Plains
|>with 2.0"
|>tires and I lowered the pressure to about 25#s. I can get the front
|>tire to
|>go exactly where I want, but the rear tire squiggles. If I back off
|>the
|>power I stall, if I add more power I spin and sqiggle. I could walk,
|>but that
|>defeats the purpose of cycling ;-}.
|>
|>NJC
|>
|>
-----------Try getting more weight on your back tire by riding as if you
were going
down a steep hill, this gives you more traction in back and allows your
front wheel to
"float" some-what. This works for me, maybe you too.

			Later-----------------Rich
sig. under construction.........................not!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Saddle sores
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Distribution: rec.bicycles.misc
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:31:57 GMT

In <0095FEC4.E9C47820@FHYDRA.FYSEL.UNIT.NO> dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes) writes:

>Thus spoke the keyboard of hoppe@cs.cornell.edu (Bruce E. Hoppe):
>>My best cure for chronic saddle sores was to use real chamois shorts,
>                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Real shorts with real chamois are really hard to find! Do they still
>exist, or do they belong to the past?

At least in the U.S., there are still plenty of real
chamois-padded shorts available.  The trend does seem to
favor synthetic chamois.

Performance mailorder sells several house-brand styles of
shorts with the option of real chamois.  It looks like
these are only available in black, not fancy colors,
suggesting that real chamois may be headed the way of
friction shifting and leather saddles.

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 Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com    Happy Man Corp.  206/463-9399 x102
 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon Island, WA  98070-7399  fax x108
 We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor.  NextMail OK
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