From: synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim)
Subject: Re: Rape in any form ...
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 19:29:14 GMT
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dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:

dc> synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim) writes:
> Is this like the third time I've had to correct you on this?  Re-read
> the articles that you yourself have posted -- the scientific community
> does not KNOW if it is "normal" or "okay" to fantasize about rape.
> Please stop contending that it is.

dc> It would be real hard to state that having rape fantasies is not
dc> normal.

Nor am I trying to.  But by the same token, it's unscientific and
irresponsible for you to contend that they are.  You can draw your own
personal conclusions, but I object to you stating them as fact.

> dc> We leave out of fantasies we would rather not associate with.
> dc> When it comes to a rape fantasy, the same applies.
> 
> We do this anyway -- the difference I was looking for is someone who
> has seen first-hand what rape actually does to others.

dc> Synth, this has been answere time and again. Not just by me but by
dc> many others.  We can seperate fantasy from reality.
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It would waste a lot less bandwidth if you took the time to *read* my
post before following up on it.  Nowhere was I contending that fantasy
needs to be separated from reality -- our previous discussions show
that we both already agree on that point.  And nor was I ever looking
for reasons to call this fantasy in this circumstance "bad" -- by my
own admission numerous times we don't know if having rape fantasies
are good or bad.  So you should really be asking yourself, "what the
hell is he talking about?"

To answer this I refer to you a portion of my previous post that you,
for some reason, completely ignored:

----
> dc> ... It may even be something as extreme as just one, really
> dc> humiliating that (nasty word for a female here) who dicked you
> dc> over and felt no remorse about stringing you along while she slept
> dc> with other guys.
>
> The key element I was looking for was how you have already experienced,
> through the other females in your life, the "reality" elements of
> trauma and horror, and then continue to indulge in the fantasy after
> being educated first-hand.  My guess is that your fantasy of humiliating 
> your ex is really just simple revenge, and does not involve some sense
> of satisfaction in giving her lasting emotional and psychological
> scarring, loss of intimacy or sociability, recurring nightmares, etc.
> (Or does it ...?)  
----

DC, the door is wide open:  I'm asking for your *personal* input on a
question posed *to you* about the goings-on in *your* mind.  Are you
going to answer it, or are you afraid to share this?  If you are, just
say so and I'll drop it.


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