From: alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss)
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:31:02 GMT
Organization: (speaking only for myself from Austin, Texas)

In article <1992Dec19.212201.5955@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>In article <BzInI2.7Bn@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>>Not in my experience, she doesn't.  However, she has observed that the
>>most clueless, inappropriate, and nonsensical suggestions are proposed
>>almost exclusively by men.
>
>And she finds smug, patronizing attitudes wrapped around
>these suggestions particularly tiresome, especially when
>they come from nitwits who admit that the entire issue is
>not a priority from them.

Sigh.  I am not smug.  I do not patronize - I satorize.  I
hold a mirror up to what is being perceived, and ask that you
observe the message for what it is.   You may or may not choose
to do so, of course.

Do you believe that applying sound marketing principles to
getting your ideas actually ADOPTED by lots of people is a
nitwit idea?  If so, then you must enjoy talking *INSIDE*
your safe-space.  

I prefer to take the fight to where it REALLY counts - outside
of "space-space" and into the world at large.  And I thought
I had one idea for doing so.  Consider:  I have two daughters.
ALL of their children's books, traditional as they are, show
girls/womyn in not only traditional roles, but pathetic ones
at that.  One of my daughters was just accepted into a gifted
program - in kindergarten.  I would like her to be a doctor.
Kids books want her to be a mommy .....  For you, this discussion
may be theoretical, or self-centered.  Not for me.

It is YOU who smuggly assume that there is only one, Politically
Correct method for attaining worthy goals.

Answer me this:  has the Womyn's Movement *really* succeeded
in achieving its goals?  And, is LANGUAGE a key factor toward
success?  Has anyone done any studies on this?


>Not that I intend to continue this thread - it's the
>holidays, after all, and I find it too, too difficult to
>resist calling, uh, people (phew!) like this, uh, person
>from ibm (made it through that one, too!) rude names.
 ^^^^^^^^

I am not "from IBM."  I am a consultant, and in no way shape
or form speak for IBM.  Clearly by implying my association with
my client you wish to make a statement.  Unfortunately, thinking
people everywhere recognize what a crock your attempt is.
Next.  Let's stick with the issues.


>Best wishes of the season, uh, guy!
>--
>       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
	                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I don't know what you do at Cornell Theory Center (perhaps
astrophysics with Dr. Sagan?), but I live and work in The Real World (tm),
where your message AIN'T GETTIN' THROUGH.  You may choose to
not believe this - but I choose to observe the reality and
come up with another approach to reach worthy goals.

You may choose to turn tail and blow this off (and hey, Happy Holidays
to you, too :-)  but I'm kinda serious about this.  Are you?

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