From: kevin@liebe.uucp (Kevin Brawley)
Subject: Re: A question for any MALE prolifer
Organization: Liebe Company
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 04:51:25 GMT

jamcdani@zia.. ("jennifer mc daniel") writes:

>In article <1992Apr12.192529.16503@liebe.uucp> kevin@liebe.uucp (Kevin  
>Brawley) writes:
>> jamcdani@zia.. ("jennifer mc daniel") writes:
>> >Of course you're pro-life; you want the fetus to be born whether the  
>woman
>> >wants it to or not, and, if somehow given a well-enough developed brain  
>to  
>> >assess the situation of itself, the woman, and others involved, whether  
>> >the fetus _itself_ would want to live or not.
>> 
>> Please structure a coherent sentence.  I can't respond to nonsense.

>I responded to you, didn't I? OK, then...let's assume that a fetus _is_ an  
>actual human being (meaning it has a brain developed well enough to think  
>and other fun stuff). Not all born, thinking humans want to live. How on  
>earth can you know whether a fetus would want to live?

I find it hard to believe you are serious!  You think that some of these
murdered children might have committed suicide (or simply didn't want to
live) in the course of their life and that justifies 1,500,000 murders
a year!  It would be funny if it weren't so sick.

>> >> >...pro-lifers
>> >> >often argue that a woman has a physical responsibility to the z/e/f
>> >> >(that's zygote/embryo/fetus) which she has helped to concieve.
>> >>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ add child/baby/infant also 
>> > 
>> >If we add child/baby/infant, that knocks out the choice of adoption.
>> >Dan King, we have a winner! (See "Isn't adoption an escape from
>> >responsibility?") 
>> 
>> More nonsense.

>If a woman gives her baby up for adoption, she ditches her "physical  
>responsibility." Or is she just responsible for pumping 'em out and  
>nothing else?

The "responsibility" is in not murdering a child.  "Ditches" is your word.
Adoption is a responsible alternative to death.

>> >> Responsibility cannot be "equal" due to the nature of pregnancy. 
>> 
>> >..which is part of the nature of a woman, of course. Let me guess,  
>there  
>> >are _other_ things which cannot be equal due to the nature of the  
>wo/man,
>> >right, pal?
>> 
>> Right gal.  Alright answer this:  A man get's kicked in the groin by a
>> woman.  A judge decides that YOU have to respond to her in an 
>> "equivalent"
>> fashion.  What would you do?   (hint: women don't have testicles) 

>Kick her in the crotch, as well. It's nice to know that you're obsessed  
>with men's sexual organs as well as those of women.

You lose.  That's hardly "equivalent".  Not to mention more "emotional" and
"personal" stabs to cover the inability to develop an appropriate response.

>> >> Oh well!  Since Nora points out that Nazi analogies are incorrect  
>they 
>> >> are incorrect???  I sense a bit of Nora-worship here.  The Nazi 
>> >> analogies
>> >> are valid, much as you hate them (and they must be cause KEVIN said  
>so).
>> 
>> >Along similar lines, why don't we make a movie, "The Silent Part,"
>> >of a brush ripping out a defenseless hair from its sanctuary of a root 
>> >;)
>> 
>> Ouch!  Bet the hair doesn't struggle to get away from the brush.  The
>> baby human struggles till the bitter end.

>How do you know that's not just a reflex? And I again ask you, if an  
>unborn baby were able to choose to be born, how are you so certain that 
>it would say yes?

You should really obtain a copy of the Silent Scream.  Anyone describing
this battle for life as a "reflex" hasn't an objective bone left in their
body.

Refer to the top for a response to your last question.


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>    Jenni McDaniel, Indiana University, Department of Psychology

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