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From: dbwebe@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Diesel Dodge Pick Up
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:20:03 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <1992Sep10.180716.16896@nmsu.edu>, cosborn@dante.nmsu.edu (Cecelia Osborn) writes:
>  The Diesel Dodge with the Cummins Turbo Diesel is the superior
> pulling engine for trailers, especially with a 5 speed tranmission
> The gas mileage is excellent 26+ in town and 20 to 22+ with the
> trailer loaded. The Cummins Diesel is a true diesel not a gasoline
> engine converted to the diesel, as the the chevrolet 6.2 liter
> diesel and the ford diesel (the are both converted gas engines)
> 


	Just an observation, but I sure have passed a lot of diesel 
	powered engines with my Chevy 1500 going up hills when the
	diesel is bogging down due to the differences in torque.
	I do think the Cummins is a superior engine when pulling large
	amounts of weight (greater than 10,000 lbs say). But I think
	you'd have to pull an awful lot of miles to offset the higher
	premium and maintenance costs of the Cummins when talking gas
	mileage.

	Worth what you paid for it.






















Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: amy@meaddata.com (Amy Lehman)
Subject: Re: News group etiquette
Keywords: Sale postings
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:17:23 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep8.130904.5799@hou.amoco.com>, zjkc08@hou.amoco.com (Jane Carlin WWNV x2407 9.105) writes:
|> I am new to this newsgroup and I was wondering if I committed a breech of etiquette by
|> posting two For Sale ads?  I only thought of that after I did it, so if I offended anybody, please forgive.  Let me know if I did a bad thing.  This would be the one and only time I would do it anyway, I'm pretty sure.  I really enjoy this newsgroup.  I a|> nd my horsey friends have gotten a lot out of the articles and dialogue.
|> Thanks,
|> Jane

   Welcome to the newsgroup! :-)

   I for one like to see "For Sales" posted.  I would not have Beau if it
   were not for newsgroup contacts. :-) (Hi Sue & Ricarda!)  Anyone got
   any tack for sale at a good price now that the show season is winding
   down?  

   One suggestion:  Make your subject indicate that you are selling 
   something.  For example: For Sale: Arab or Arab for sale.  This will
   allow those people who are not interested to pass by the posting
   without having to read its contents.
-- 
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	  		    	   ,--,            
Amy Lehman                   _ ___/ /\|                 (513) 865-1045
Mead Data Central        ,;`( )__, )  ~              Data Technologies
P.O. Box 933            //  //   '--;                 amy@meaddata.com
Dayton, Ohio  45401     '   \     |             ...!uunet!meaddata!amy
                             ^    ^ Beau...appaloosa sweetheart
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine)
Subject: Re: Can You Believe...
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:45:21 GMT

In article <18l6ohINNa2r@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
>Pam had a problem with a farrier who didn't tell her what happened when
>he shod her horse without her being there.
>
>Amanda said find a new farrier.
>
>I say, "Not so fast".  Frankly, I think Pam is quite lucky to find a 
>farrier who would attend to her horse without her presence at the shoing...

I am afraid I disagree.  Granted that it would be far better to get
someone to handle the horse for the shoer, especially the first
few times the horse is shod -- it is still, IMHO, totally unacceptable
and irresponsible for the farrier to administer drugs without permission.
Suppose the horse was allergic?  Suppose he hit a vein with an IM injection?
There are far too many things which could go wrong.  It would be 
better for the farrier to refuse the job than to cavalierly
administer sedatives without permission.

Also, Pam was on the property, it would not have been THAT difficult
for him to communicate with her.

I would advise:  Find a new farrier.  But be prepared to help
handle the horse until both the horse and the farrier are
comfortable.


       Debbie
From: tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: clinic announcement
Date: 10 Sep 92 07:36:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ


		T.T.E.A.M. Approach to Performance Anxiety
			Sponsored by the Tucson Dressage Club

	WHEN:  Sunday, September 13, 1992, 9 AM til noon
	WHERE: University of Arizona Agriculture Center, 
		4101 N. Campbell Ave., Tucson, AZ

	T.T.E.A.M. trainer, Sheryl Studley, will be conducting a workshop, 
	geared toward dressage, on practical ways of combating performance
	anxiety.  The fee for the workshop will be $15 per person.

	T.T.E.A.M. techniques will be used with four horses and riders to
	develop a sports psychology approach to warm up.  Learn such "buttons"
	for breaking anxiety impasse as cadencing your stride with your
	horse's, using the "half walk" to loosen and lengthen your horse's
	stride, and rocking to soften cold-backed horses.

	Bring your own folding chair, and
	come on in and RELAX!

	For more information, call (602) 744-4f610 and leave message or
	call (602) 325-0552 and ask for Tracy.
From: llyons@next.com (Liza Lyons)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Putting and End to Nipping/Biting
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:08:04 GMT

Hi, Everyone:

A few weeks ago, Kinsale was kicked while out playing with a buddy.  The net  
result was two weeks of rest and an increasingly nervous, fat thoroughbred (he  
even reverted to stud-like behavior; everyone is going deaf from his loving  
conversations with the sexier mares in the barn :-)).

Before this convalescence period, Kinsale had nearly perfect ground manners.   
He's sweet, gentle and careful around people (even tho a firecracker under  
saddle !).  It seems that his wandering mind has provoked him to start nipping,  
however, while standing in cross ties.  He doesn't reach behind to catch me  
while I'm grooming or tacking - it only seems to happen when I'm standing in  
front of him trying to brush his face (he nips to the side towards my hands).   
BTW - he *likes* having his face brushed - will even drop his head down for  
better access.

I immediately stopped the treats in case they were provoking the mouthy  
behavior, although he's never received them on a regular basis.  At this point,  
I don't know what else to try.  I want to put a stop to this ASAP before it  
becomes a permanent habit but don't want to provoke head-shy problems by  
hitting him with my hand.

I know there's been discussion on this in the past, but I can't remember any of  
the good ideas.  HELP before my Dr. Jekyl turns into Mr. Hyde !!

Liza and Kinsale (the mouth)
llyons@next.com
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Stiff back problems  (was help with stubborn horse)
Date: 7 Sep 1992 18:03:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx

Thanks to everyone who sent suggestions on Monty's symptoms of hollow
back and head in the air.  Just to update you all, I now no longer
suspect that his back is sore, though the symptoms are consistent
with that.  Neither of the saddles he's ridden in pinch him, and when
I palpate his back after a long ride, there are no dry or sore spots.
So, either he was never sore, or the back saver pad worked a miracle
in a very short time!

Someone suggested that he might be "cold-backed", and this is now my
current theory.  I always thought that term referred only to tension
when girthing up.  But yesterday, I decided to longe Monty for 15
min with lots of trot canter transitions, really letting him warm
up without worrying about carrying me. When I got on, he was an
absolute angel!  He was very light in my hands, accepting of the bit
(he's now going in a loose ring snaffle, which may also have helped),
and with a relaxed back and flexing at the poll!!  We did lots of
circles and serpentines at the trot, then figure 8's at the canter
with simple changes, and he got them well.  I'm getting better about
sitting lightly and using a serious half-halt before the transition,
as you netters suggested, and that helps a lot.  He had a few times
when he got his head up and got hollow, but I could bring him back
down again with my leg.

There is the possibility that this incredible change in the horse was
a total fluke, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the next time I
ride him.  Thanks again for all the suggestions, which were much more
helpful than my trainer's!

Sarah Pallas (and Monty)  
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: meganb@sequent.com (Megan Breninger)
Subject: UPDATE ON HANK!!!
Followup-To: No more bad news, please! :*)
Summary: Better, not worse, really!
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 20:28:31 GMT

Well, I just got a call from the vet.  Seems the surgery was
scheduled for the same day as his vacation, so it needs to be
rescheduled.  Now, I know you are all thinking "This is bad!",
but it's not, and I'll tell you why...

A week ago Labor Day, when the vet came out and told me that
Hank has cancer, he gave me a tube of Panalog Ointment to help
dry the weeping tumor up, and slow down it's growth process.

Not only has it dried up and slowed down the tumors growth, but
the tumor is actually shrinking and peeling off from his stomach!
As it seperates from his stomach, I squirt the ointment, which
has a long nozzle on the tube, further up into the tumor cavity.
Sounds kinda gross, but it's working!!!

So, maybe, because of all of your prayers and our faith in the Lord,
Hank won't have to have surgery after all!!!  Of course, if things
change such as appetite, attitude, etc, I'll have the vet out ASAP,
but in the meantime, it's LET'S RIDE!!!  :*)

I'll keep all of you posted to anything new, but please keep up
those thoughts and prayers, and THANK YOU!!!

Jumping for joy and grinning big...

Megan, Larry, Clyde, Edgar and Hank, the MIRACLE HORSE!  (We hope!)
From: butlet@aix.rpi.edu (Timothy James Butler)
Subject: Re: Trucks & Transmissions for Towing Horses
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:57:50 GMT


   An overdrive transmission only adds another higher gear ratio. THe term
"overdrive' means that the gear ratio is greater than or equal to
1:1. All current overdrive transmissions that I have seen do this
by adding a gear ratio above the "standard ones". i.e. a four speed
automatic where the other available is a 3 speed. Furthermore, all
4 sp. automatics that I have seen allow you to select drive instead
of overdrive. This is what you would do when towing, and use overdrive to
save gas when you are not towing.
   The biggest advantage to the newer 4 spd. automatics is the newer
technology, especially an electronically controlled 4 spd. Also an
advantage in most all newer automatics is lockup torque converters.
     In older transmissions, the torque converter was always active, meaning
that your drive torque passed through a fluid coupling. If you were to
try to tow while in overdrive, you most likely would be something very
similiar. the torque converter wouldn't lock, but worse would be absorbing
a lot of energy, and converting it to heat. If you were to drop down into
drive, everything would spin alot faster, result in less torque for the
same power level. And as a result, less strain on the transmission.

    Basically, it all adds up to the fact that I can see no reason one
of the newer 4 spd. automatics would not be suitable for towing. Of course
I would never buy an automatic anyway, I like to stir them myself. It is
a lot easier to keep the turbo diesel in my international in the boost.
    I had a ford f350 diesel crew cab (1986) with a non-overdrive
transmission and had to put a new one in that truck anyway.
    I would guess that the anectdotal experiences mentioned here had more
correlation between new and old, than O.D. and non-O.D.
    And I would definately expect that alot of towing in Overdrive would
cause problems. But that isn't really what is for though. (Heavy trucks
excluded of course, where overdrive usually refers to more than one gear
ratio, and perhaps a whole range.)

   You are welcome to question any of this or me through email.

tim butler   butlet@rpi.edu   <- sig. on a budget



Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: vmm@cbnews.cb.att.com (virginia.m.medici)
Subject: Horse for Sale/Trade
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 12:42:58 GMT
Keywords: Missouri Fox Trotter

2 1/2 year old Missouri Fox Trotter Gelding - professionally trained,
walk, fox trot, canter.
Clips, loads. All shots up to date.
Reason for selling/trade - horse is too tall for us. He is 15.2 and
a light honey chestnut with flaxen mane and tail and 4 flaxen sox.
Would like to trade for a smaller fox trotter or Tennessee walker
15-15.1 or sell for $1800 or best reasonable offer.
Echo comes out of the two top lines in Missouri - Zane Grey and
Missouri Traveler and has a natural fox trot.
Hope you can help!
Gini
AT&T BL
Andover, Ma
mvuxd!vmm
From: eroth@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (elizabeth.s.roth)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horse GIF images
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:24:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T


I sent Rudy a personal thankyou for the instructions on _gifs_.

Now ... could someONE repost the recent gif files that I missed?

THANKS in advance.



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From: dabay@morse.cns.vt.edu (Marian Dabay)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Choking horse
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:01:13 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA

I had a truly frightening experience last night.  I brought my three
horses into the barn to feed them while I waited for the vet to come
out (she was there to check on my mare that's not gaining any weight).
Anyway, after the vet got there and was looking at my mare, I heard
these awful wretching sounds from my gelding's stall.  When I 
looked in on him, he was CHOKING.  Thank god my vet was there, I don't 
know what I would have done.  I have never seen a horse so frightened
before.  The whites of his eyes were showing, he was shaking all
over and sweat was literally dripping off of him.  It was just awful. 

She brought him out of the stall and felt along his neck to find out 
where the obstruction was and messaged it to see if she could break 
it up.  Since he was breathing (with a lot of effort) she wasn't too 
concerned.  She gave him a muscle relaxer and a mild sedative, then 
inserted a tube up his nose to try and break up the obstruction.  She 
was finally able to get most of it and felt confident that he would be 
alright in a few hours.  

He was a real trooper though the whole thing.  Even though he was
terrified, he stood there as quiet and still as could be and let the
vet shove a tube in his nose repeatedly until his nose actually started
bleeding.  

As the vet said, this morning he acted as if nothing had happened.  However, 
he still has this large lump in this neck.  The vet said last night that 
she didn't think the lump was made by whatever was stuck in his throat and
thought that it was probably there before this, however, I hadn't
noticed it before.  It's so large (about the size of an apple), I'm
sure I would have noticed it.  Anyway, she is coming out tomorrow to 
biopsy (?) it.  

Is it possible that there is still something in his throat?  If not,
what else could it be (please don't say a tumor)?

Marian Dabay
From: rewald@scivax.stsci.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: A Basic GlossarySCUP
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:26:56 GMT
Distribution: usa,na
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute

In article <1992Sep9.173218.19745@morrow.stanford.edu>, GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon) writes:
> In article <1992Sep8.234102.1@scivax.stsci.edu>,
> rewald@scivax.stsci.edu writes:
>>Since you all are talking about a **very** specific aspect of one area from
>>the original post, could I ask you to change the "BASIC GLOSSARY" subject
>>header to something more appropriate?  ( I kinda wanted to read about some
>>of the other topics asked about! :-) )
>>Thanks
>>Rosalie
>>
> 
> You know what, not only to I rarely even LOOK at the header, but I
> have no idea in the world as to how to change it. If you could tell
> me how, I'd be happy to.
> 
> Anyone?
> 
> =gwyn "computer ignoramus maximus" gordon

Aww, don't be so hard on yourself!  I'm posting from a VAX cluster, and I guess
it's easier done here than on your machine.  When I post a followup from the
VAX, I get prompted to change the header, if I want.  Maybe someone from 
the SUNny side could tell us....
Rosalie "wise-guy" Ewald
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: dbwebe@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Trucks
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:11:34 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <1992Sep4.223257.13404@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, teresa@astro.as.arizona.edu (Teresa Bippert-Plymate) writes:
> Re: Trucks
> 
>   What is the reason the automatic with overdrive is not
>   recommended?  I have an '83 Ford F-150 supercab that
>   has that transmission, and it has done well so far.  This
>   truck has a small engine (the 302), but a full trailering
>   package and low rear gearing.  It has 115K miles on it
>   and still runs great.  It just simply can't pull FAST up
>   hills, but it never overheats.  (But good gas mileage).
>   Thanks for the info.....
> 
> 				Teresa
> 				Leo (The QH)
> 				Razzie (The Arab)

	Me too. I have an '88 chevy 1500 with 180,000 miles with an
	automatic overdrive and not a hitch. Most of those are hauling
	miles. Just curious..

	Debbie
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Stiff back problems  (was help with stubborn horse)
Date: 10 Sep 1992 18:47:11 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx

In article <1992Sep9.200950.11916@cco.caltech.edu> deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine) writes:

>
 >Ah!  When I first got my old horse Cappy, the only way I could successfully
 >warm him up was on the lounge.  My seat wasn't stable enough to
 >get him to stretch and warm up those back muscles, but once he had
 >done it on his own, he was much better.  I used side reins to help
 >encourage the stretch, and now that I have had some experience with
 >the gouge/chambon I think that (correctly adjusted, not too short)
 >might have helped as well.

Well, I tried Monty in a lesson Wednesday, after warming him up for 15
minutes on the longe at trot and canter, then a long loose walk with
me on him before the instructor came.  Although he wasn't at his
worse, this time the longeing didn't do it for him, he was still very
stiff and hollow in his back.  I checked before and after the ride for
back pain and couldn't find anything.  I'm interested in trying side
reins but want others' opinions on how to use them correctly and
whether they are likely to help this horse, or hurt him.  He usually
backs off the bit when he gets hollow and I wonder if he would accept
side rein contact.  He likes a really steady contact on his mouth.  If
I squeeze and release to try to get him to bring his head down, he
just gets worse.  Perhaps with side reins he could trust the bit
enough to accept it.

Sarah Pallas and Monty

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: erkert@scan2.tamu.edu (Ron Erkert)
Subject: Hank's improvement
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: erkert@scan2.tamu.edu
Organization: Cyclotron Institute, Texas A&M University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:35:47 GMT

Hey Megan,

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you and Hank.

Cowboy
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: C.Callender@lut.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Ph.D. done (!) - now I've got time for riding!
Reply-To: C.Callender@lut.ac.uk (Chris Callender)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 18:16:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.161218.15842@nas.nasa.gov> gundy@equus.nas.nasa.gov (Karen L. Gundy-Burlet) writes:
>Ruth,
>
>CONGRATS on the Ph.D.!!!!!!!  Believe me, I know how nice it is to
>finish the Ph.D. (last year) [stuff deleted]

Yeah, congratulations!!!!! After all the hard work it does feel pretty
wonderful to have it all behind you, doesn't it... I finished mine
in May 1991.

>
>T-Bar really kept me sane during the Ph.D.

I started learning to ride at exactly the same time as I started writing
my thesis and I know that it had a very beneficial effect on me. I guess
I might well have lost my sanity if I hadn't had the break from thesis
writing...its amazing how fearing for your life takes your
mind off minor things like Ph.D.s:-)! Actually I used to sit in the gallery
of the riding school working on my thesis, whilst watching another lesson.

Now I go riding at least twice a week - I have a private lesson on Tuesdays
and a group lesson on Thursdays.  and I wouldn't miss them no matter how
busy I was. It really helps to relax me and I also know that I don't ride
as well if I miss even one week. As I found out earlier this year,
it really *hurts* if I go back after a break of four weeks.
I guess I'm a seious addict!

>
>Anyway, good luck to all the Ph.D. candidates out there!!!  (How
>you doing Debbie?)
>
>(Dr.!) Karen, Marcel & Olivia, T-Bar,
>and the feline crew: Taj, Magic and Boo.

Yes, I'll second that, and good luck to anyone else that needs it too!!!

(Dr!) Chris
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: tgillesp@diamond (Tom Gillespie)
Subject: Bay Gelding for sale
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:46:45 GMT
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne  FL
Summary: 1987 AQHA Bay Gelding for sale.

1987 AQHA Bay Gelding, 17 hands, over 40 AQHA amatuer points in
hunter under saddle and equitation.  1991 FQHA reserve Jr. Hunter 
under saddle.  Started over fences.  Video available.  
Asking $18,000.  Call Sandy at 407-722-0467 for more details.  
Please leave message if no answer.

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From: teresa@astro.as.arizona.edu (Teresa Bippert-Plymate)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Trucks
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:32:57 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

Re: Trucks

  What is the reason the automatic with overdrive is not
  recommended?  I have an '83 Ford F-150 supercab that
  has that transmission, and it has done well so far.  This
  truck has a small engine (the 302), but a full trailering
  package and low rear gearing.  It has 115K miles on it
  and still runs great.  It just simply can't pull FAST up
  hills, but it never overheats.  (But good gas mileage).
  Thanks for the info.....

				Teresa
				Leo (The QH)
				Razzie (The Arab)