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From: fsbern8@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ambady Suresh  (Sverdrup))
Subject: Re: A boy's head was shaved for speaking Malayalam in school
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 29 Jul 1992 09:46 EDT  

In article <l79hu7INNl9b@coltexo.cs.utexas.edu>, sirosh@cs.utexas.edu (Joseph Sirosh) writes...
>A very despicable act, I agree. I remember the days I was in school;
>an English Medium school in Trichur. We were absolutely forbidden to
>speak in Malayalam on campus at one time. The class monitors were to
>report anyone who did. So we invented "Manglish", with words like
>Marakkable for forgettable and Padikkable for learnable, and so many
>other wonderful words I wish I could remember. That confused the monitors -
>Joseph Sirosh

You are truly "Unsahikable" joseph !    ... Ambady Suresh


Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: prabhak@cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: A boy's head was shaved for speaking Malayalam in school
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:03:35 GMT

(Shiva Shivakumar) writes:
>(Anil Nair) writes:
>>Arent we being a little hypocritical here?
>>I can safely conjecture that everybody who has been
>>posting on this net about this topic went to a school
>>where the medium of instruction was English or a school
>>where English was emphasised more than Malayalam.

>This is the second posting of this nature and I am deeply upset and annoyed.
>May be I am being too naive, but it is obvious to me that in order to learn
>English it is really not necessary to unlearn your native language. In fact,
>
That is really not the point Anil, I think, is making.

Parents send their children to English medium schools so that 
improve their written/spoken English. Whether this motive is
misguided or note is not the point. Parents do that so that
their children grow up to be fluent in the language and hence
have better opportunities, AND the schools have the moral 
responsibility to help parents realize this goal. (For e.g.,
I had to pay 25 paise anytime I was caught speaking in Telugu
at school.)

We cannot argue with the goal - it is upto the parents. You
may philosophize but there is little you can do. The issue is
the means schools adopt to instill discipline. Corporal
punishment is abhorrent, period. 

Satya Prabhakar

Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu (Mehul Sanghvi)
Subject: Re: Yesterday, when it rained. -- [ Nostalgia ] -- Icarus.
Followup-To: alt.culture.kerala
Reply-To: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: UMass-Lowell CS Dept.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:22:30 GMT



>   Paul's posting was good and brings back memories of home. I would be 
> interested in seeing more on this net on these lines.
>
>   Prasad Veluchamy

i might not be from kerala but that was a damn good job Paul. Congrats! and it does bring back memories for me as well.

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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: shiva@b30.ingr.com (Shiva Shivakumar)
Subject: Re: A boy's head was shaved for speaking Malayalam in school
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:37:49 GMT

In article <Bs3y9I.HFy@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan K.) writes:
>Is is true that the schools also instruct the children to address their
>parents as 'Mommy' and 'Daddy' instead of 'Amma' and 'Appa' etc.?
>
>I notice that most children in us/canada use 'amma' & 'appa' even if they can
>not speak Tamil. There even while speaking in the native tongue,
>they seem to use mommy and daddy only.
>
>KS.

In this thread, we have been blaming the schools. BUT, 

it's the PARENTS who want their children to call them Mummy (not Mommy ..)
and Daddy.

it's the PARENTS who PREFER schools that fine students for speaking in the
native language. (Good discipline, they say)

it's YOUNG BOYS and GIRLS that correlate English usage (actually non-usage
of the local language) with culture,civilization etc. (When I was in college,
I believed that if you always spoke in English and listened only to English
songs, you had a better chance of making friends with girls ! I didn't do it
because it was too much work and I was too much of a Sujatha/Kalki/Lalgudi/MSG
lover)

The schools are merely catering to the needs of these people. Unfortunately,
such schools DO have high standards in English and other subjects.

We (sadly) have to acknowledge the fundamental rights of these kids and 
parents to be pathetically spineless and screwed up.

What needs to be done :

1. Govt should cut off aid to schools that restrict/even discourage use of
local language. 

2. People like us, when we run into folks with above tendencies, should
clearly communicate our disapproval (even if it requires resorting to mockery).

In a free society, people should have the freedom to do what they want but
people with such tendencies should not be encouraged to become ROLE
models, which IMHO is the situation AT LEAST among middle/upper class brahmins
of Madras (I am being restrictive because I cannot speak for other groups)

Jagadisan Shivakumar
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus)
Subject: More ganangal please ! [Was res: Old & Sweet etc.]
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 03:24:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.021800.14228@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mchundat@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu) writes:
[...]

1] Your post makes me feel good.
   Good Work !

2] I would love to read the lyrics of a lot more malayalam
   songs.

   Particularly an old hit that goes somewhere in between:

            .....
            Ninne mathrum kandilelo,
            Ni mathrum vannilelo,
            ....
   
  Probably by yesudas.

3] Stay Cool.


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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: nair@quintus.com (Anil Nair)
Subject: Re: A boy's head was shaved for speaking Malayalam in school
Organization: Quintus Corporation, Palo Alto, CA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:18:38 GMT

Arent we being a little hypocritical here?
I can safely conjecture that everybody who has been
posting on this net about this topic went to a school
where the medium of instruction was English or a school
where English was emphasised more than Malayalam.
I agree that chastising children for speaking in Malayalam
in school is going way out of line. But the fact remains that
English does provide a lot of opportunities for people in Kerala
and abroad (and there are more Malayalees abroad than in Kerala,
right? :-)).
I remember an article in National Geographic (I looked
at it just for the pictures, really :-)) on Kerala and there was
this picture of a street lined with shops in Trichur. Every shop
had a sign in Malayalam and English. The ones that had only
one sign had it in English.

Anil Nair

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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy)
Subject: Ennalae (was: ***Movie Time***)
Summary: What does this mean?
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:21:59 GMT

The usage of this term in Tamil is affectionate for
kids/youth and common in Kanyakumari district (and
maybe Tirunelveli) It means 'kyaa re' in Hindi
approx. 'Whats up kido'. Does this mean the same
in MalayaaLam? Where is the movie set? Any opinions?

Sthan.

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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: sgs@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath SG)
Subject: Re: A boy's head was shaved for speaking Malayalam in school
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:58:36 GMT

In article <Bs3y9I.HFy@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan K.) writes:
>Is is true that the schools also instruct the children to address their
>parents as 'Mommy' and 'Daddy' instead of 'Amma' and 'Appa' etc.?
>
>I notice that most children in us/canada use 'amma' & 'appa' even if they can
>not speak Tamil. There even while speaking in the native tongue,
>they seem to use mommy and daddy only.
>

It is also true that some of these "mommies"(sp?) and "daddies" are
also as eager about the "mommy-daddy" stuff  as the schools are.

I have overheard a conversation in which a kid (in Bangalore) was
talking in Kannada (in his home). The father told him "If you
don't talk in English from tomorrow onwards, I am going to
_skin_ you". I think this kind of thing happens quite often.

>KS.

Regards,

--Sudhi.

-- 
                          Sira Gopinath Sudhindranath. 
email : sudhi@usl.edu, sgs@ucs.usl.edu           Phone : (318)-232-2198 (r), 
						         (318)-231-6539 (o) 
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: cmdrrp@mhvax.weeg.uiowa.edu
Subject: Re: Two trivia questions
Reply-To: cmdrrp@mhvax.weeg.uiowa.edu
Organization: U - Iowa Department of Psychiatry
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:12:50 GMT

In article <5a3ab11f.1bc5b@pisa.citi.umich.edu>, rees@pisa.citi.umich.edu (Jim Rees) writes:
>Is the word "Malayalam" a palindrome in the Malayalam language, and if so,
>is that generally considered auspicious?
>
>Why does Kerala have the best coffee in India (my opinion only, based on a
>limited sample)?
You mean kattankappi? or the drip coffee that is used like instant!
Please tell me where did you have that "limited sample"
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar Mukund Mirashi)
Subject: WHAT NEXT???? :)
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:34:46 GMT

Ha ha ha........what next?

Waiting for alt.culture.nagaland    OR
How about alt.culture.lakshwadeep?

Anyway......good luck with the group, guys!!
:)
From: rajeshkr@usc.edu (Rajesh Krishnan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: ***Movie Time***
Date: 29 Jul 1992 16:41:45 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


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    NAME                       STARRING                        TYPE
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 His Highness Abdulla        Mohanlal, Gowthami,Nedumudi      Comedy. Has great
                             Mamukoya,Sukumaran....           songs.

 Toovalsparsam               Mukesh,Jayaram,Siidique          Mal. Versiion of 
                             Suresh gopi,Urvashi,Ranjini      3 men and a baby.

 Veena Meetiya Vilankukal    Rahman,Madhu,Jayabaduri          Masala

 Adharvam                    Mammoty,Ganesh,Parvathy          Drama
                             Charu hassan,Tilakan  

 Oru Vadakkan Veeragadha     Mammoty,Suresh Gopi,Madhavi,     Historic
                             Captain Raju,Balan k Nair
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Have fun,

take care


-rajesh

Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala,soc.culture.tamil
From: prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar)
Subject: Re: Kerala Politics?
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:11:40 GMT

In article <Bs9MCv.1sn@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan) writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.183721.2722@infonode.ingr.com> tittu@tittu.b23b.ingr.com (Tittu Mathew) writes:
>>
>>	I heard last week the police & army shot and killed 6 people in 
>>	Trivandrum. Can somebody out there throw some light on this.
>>
>
>By strange coincidence, my wife and daughter were touring Trivandrum
>on the day, the Hindu moslem riots, police firing etc. were reported
>in Trivandrum. I telephoned. They said there was hardly anything
>called riots noticable!! The news is probably to show that there is
>unrest all over India on the Ayodhya, UP issue.
>
>Also Can we say, this is a first for Kerala: Hindu moslem riots!
>Getting civilized, falling into main stream India, I suppose.

Actually I came across a news article some time back that said something
like this: The Pakistani based anti-India spy network is now seeking to 
spread it's tentacles wide in India. The network is keen on establishing
a anti-hindu attitude among the muslims of south India who have been
somewhat calm and without any brushes with the majority hindu community.
With this in mind it is believed that a team has reached the coastal state
of Kerala and started working on the their aim. It remains to be seen if
the Indian govt. acts swiftly to scuttle it's unholy objectives.

And now we see hindu-muslim riots in Kerala. So once again RAW/CBI have
been caught flat footed eh ?

>
>It looked like TN escaped this time.
>

I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happens in TN also. There are
hindus and muslims and ofcourse there are our beloved politicians.

>K. Srinivasan  srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca


M.P.Premkumar
From: rajeshkr@usc.edu (Rajesh Krishnan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: ***Avial***
Date: 29 Jul 1992 23:17:48 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


			Ingrediants 
			------------

         Coconut ( shredded)              1 cup
	 Green Chillies                   5
	 Vegetable(carrot, potato,beans   3 cups
 		   Murengakka,........)
	 Turmeric,salt,karuveppala
	 sour yougurt or puli   	  
 	 coconut oil  			  2 table spoons
	 Raw rice			  1 table spoon

			
			Procedure
			---------

1. Cut the vegetables into slices about 2"long.
2. Boil the vegetables with minimum water with a pinch of turmeric and salt.
3. Grind the chillies,coconut,raw rice to a fine pulp. Add  very little water.
4. Add the mixture in 3 to the cooked vegetables.
From here on cook in Med or Med Low flame.
5. Add sour yogurt or puli to get the sour taste.Do not add too much as the 
   avial would become too sour.
6. Add the coconut oil and the karuvappela and let the avial cook for about 10 
   minutes.

Note : If brinjal is being used it is a good idea to fry it before letting it 
       cook.
       If you are using canned drum sticks add it at the very end.


Have fun,

take care

Peace 

-rajesh
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Njan)
Subject: Re: Sweet & Old Malayalaganangal
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:10:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.021800.14228@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mchundat@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu) writes:
>
>	The subject says it. If you have any of them, please share. It
>doesn't matter wheather it is full or not. Hopefully, there will be many to
>correct. 
>
>	I have one for now.
>
>Title:		Thamasamenthe varuvan
>
>Singer:		Yesudas
>
>Music:		Don't know. (Info wanted.)

M. S. Baburaj, whom I would consider as the greatest Malayalam music
director... He was sort of eccentric and an alchoholic ( like Vayalar )
and supposed to have died on the street(?)

written by: P. Bhaskaran (?)

>
>Movie:		Don't know. (Info wanted.)

I think it is Bhargavee Nilayam, the movie based on story by
Basheer ( yes, the real one from Vaikom )

>
>	
>	Thamasamenthe... varuvan...
>
>	Thamasamenthe varuvan pranasakhi ente munnil
>	Thamasamenthe anayan premamayi ente kannil
>	Thamasamenthe varuvan
>
>	Hemanthayaminithan ponvilakku poliyarai
>	Makandasakhakalil rakkilikal mayangarai
>	
>	Thamasamenthe varuvan
>
>	Thalirmaramilakininte thankavala kilungiyallo
>	Pooncholakkadavilninte padaswaram kilungiyallo

Palolee-chandrikayil-nin mandahasam kanduvallo..

>	Pathirakkatil ninte patturumalilakiyallo
>
>	Thamasamenthe varuvan pranasakhi ente munnil
>	Thamasamenthe anayan premamayi ente kannil
>	Thamasamenthe varuvan
>
>
>Any corrections?
>
>		Mathai

Njan
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala,soc.culture.indian
From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus)
Subject: Excerpt from Changampuzha's Mohini -- alt.culture.kerala formed
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 01:53:38 GMT

1] Namaskaram.
   The deed is done.
   alt.culture.kerala has been set up.
   

2] I attach an excerpt from changampuzha's poem mohini 
   which I found good enough to share with you.

   The translation is by Krishna Chaitanyam.

		
3]                                 Mohini.
                                ------------

                           
                       Great unseen hands,
                       Bent on playful sport,
                       Brought together the boats of our lives,
                       Part of the way,
                       In the worlds wayward current.

                       For a few moments we were together rapt,
                       In the vision of a thousand dreams,
                       That flowered and swayed at anchor,
                       Above the streams expanse.

                       Today we have drifted apart,
                       And gone our separate ways.

                       But beloved can we forget,
                       Even one of those radiant dreams ?


4] Stay Cool.
   Have to find a new sig :-)
   

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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus)
Subject: Charter for alt.culture.kerala 
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:38:05 GMT

0] Charter attached.

[ ------------------------------------------------------------------ ]

Name: alt.culture.kerala
   
Status: Unmoderated

Charter:


1] 	To discuss the culture of the Keralite people including
    the language malayalam, politics, religion, films, music,
    literature and  news about the Keralite community 
    across the world.

2]  There is no forum at present on the usenet that serves
    the purpose, despite the large number of people of 
    Keralite origin in America and the rest of the world.
    The general nature of soc.culture.indian and the 
    high traffic associated with it, does not allow
    free discussion of topics mentioned in 1], which
    interest only a section of the total readership of sci.

3]  As the target audience is not limited to u.s.a we 
    propose to set distribution world wide.


	- Paul Chemmanoor,
      Manu Komanamana.



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From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus)
Subject: Movies and dating.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:47:41 GMT

1] It has always been a topic of debate among my friends from
   kerala over here, the prevalence of dating in kerala.
   One of my friends who has studied over here since his high school
   or so firmly believes that dating is bad and should never be allowed
   by parents in kerala.

2] It all came to a head while watching the movie "Uncle Bunn"
   in my friends house at denver.

   With mamooty as Bunn himself.
   The movie in my opinion was kids stuff, but we sat through anyway.
   Amazing what one does for memory sake.
   
   Anyway, there is this sequence where a college girl makes plans
   with her friends to go to a movie. During the movie her male 
   colleagues at college indulge in a bit of amorous byplay.
   She is suitably disgusted and makes her way out.
   
   Bunn, in the meantime finds out and informs the girls father.
   The father waits for the daughter to come back from the movie
   and amazingly slaps her because she went to the movie.

   Presumably it was meant to show that she shouldnt mix with the boys.
   What I found disconcerting was the reaction among the family I was
   watching this movie with. They were quite happy and felt vindicated
   at this turn of events.

   I failed to see what was wrong with a girl going to the 
   movies on her own.


3] What are your reactions ?
   Would this be the real reaction of parents in Kerala ?

4] Stay Cool.


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From: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Best wishes. Why 'kerala' instead of 'keralam'?
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:38:08 GMT
Reply-To: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan)
Organization: IREQ, Hydro-Quebec, QC, Canada
Originator: srini@acr

Is this a 'intermim' newsgroup like 'alt.culture.tamil' was?
Could the promoters post the Charter and plan.

Best wishes.

K. Srinivasan   srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: rees@pisa.citi.umich.edu (Jim Rees)
Subject: Two trivia questions
Reply-To: Jim.Rees@umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan IFS Project
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:21:07 GMT

Is the word "Malayalam" a palindrome in the Malayalam language, and if so,
is that generally considered auspicious?

Why does Kerala have the best coffee in India (my opinion only, based on a
limited sample)?