HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jgm@ais.org (jim miller)
Subject: Re: while driving home
Organization: Ann Arbor Information Society -- West Lafayette Annex
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 05:42:45 GMT


kestanol@porgy.uucp (Keith C. Estanol) writes:

>In article <1992Dec26.072446.1503@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF) writes:
>>In article <1h33qcINN46v@network.ucsd.edu> kestanol@porgy.uucp (Keith C. Estanol) writes:
>>>In article <XIBO.92Dec20005145@fido.fido.econ.arizona.edu> xibo@fido.econ.arizona.edu (Mr. Coates) writes:
>
>>
>>Say, Keith, I hear that this place called the Waterfall, somewhere in San
>>Diego, will soon be opened to anyone who can prove descent from small
>>green citrus fruit.  True?
>>
>
>Oh my god. PLEASE PLEASE tell me it isn't true. PLEASE tell me he
>isn't posting here. *sob*
>I was good all year, REALLY!
>
>The Waterfall's in my apartment, and on Lambda.  They both have
>security installed.


PLEASE don't tell me he's on Lambda now!

-- 
>Are not Tom Bombadil and Beorn the same guy?
Nope.  Reasons:
...
(c)  Tom does not periodically turn into a bear.
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: kestanol@porgy.uucp (Keith C. Estanol)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: while driving home
Date: 23 Dec 1992 01:30:45 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: porgy.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Dec21.161017.8844@netcom.com> cliftonr@netcom.com (Pope Clifton) writes:
>Keith C. Estanol (kestanol@porgy.uucp) wrote:
>: In article <XIBO.92Dec20005145@fido.fido.econ.arizona.edu> xibo@fido.econ.arizona.edu (Mr. Coates) writes:
>
>  Thank you for sharing.  
>  Now fuck off back to alt.angst;
>  Trouble us no more.
>  (The worst thing in the world is
>  When followups are set wrong.)
>
>  -- Clifton

Jeez.  Did someone piss in your Wheaties (tm) today or what?

Keith C. Estanol	    	| storm@ucsd.edu
UCSD, Cognitive Science 	| storm@ucsd.bitnet
Institute of Geo and Planetary Physics : kestanol@bull.ucsd.edu
---------------------------------------------------------------
"We don't want to be victims, on that we all agree.
 So we lock up the killer instinct, and throw away the key.."
From: callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Why I'm such a shit
Date: 28 Dec 92 23:52:44 GMT
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD

llama@tramp.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes:

>it seems to me that what duke wants to recreate/create here is a
>coffeehouse atmosphere, where we all sit around clutching well-thumbed
>copies of Important Books and feeding each other our pet concepts. you
>know, the sorts of conversations where you say one of my trigger words
>and i blurt out my set piece on the subject, and that in turn triggers
>you to say something... it's like picking tracks on a cd with a remote
>control, intellectual dicksizewars that don't have any relation to
>life.  there i'd have to agree with you: what's the fucking point? 

No need to create it here.  It already exists on rec.arts.books.

--
"I would rather be torn to pieces by the poison-clawed cat, than to suffer one
instant of acceptance by the resident intellectuals of rec.arts.books." 
     [slightly modified; attribution left as an exercise to the reader]
              -- Paul Callahan, callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu --
From: dante@microsoft.com (throated plaid)
Subject: Re: Be Drunk (was Re: Depression)
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:57:59 GMT
Organization: the velvet sweatshop

In article <1992Dec16.052228.11342@netcom.com> despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson) writes:
|Many people have been airing out their feelings regarding alcohol and 
|drunkenness.  I would like to point out an expert's opinion, an expert in
|both angst and drunkenness.  Baudelaire.
|
|Be Drunk, he said, with wine, with poetry, or with love.  To escape our
|Master Time.  Badly quoted from memory, please excuse me.

The actual quote:
It is the hour to be drunken! to escape being the
martyred slaves of time, be ceaselessly drunk. 
On wine, on poetry, or on virtue, as you wish.
Newsgroups: alt.angst,talk.bizarre
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF)
Subject: Re: while driving home
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 07:24:46 GMT

In article <1h33qcINN46v@network.ucsd.edu> kestanol@porgy.uucp (Keith C. Estanol) writes:
>In article <XIBO.92Dec20005145@fido.fido.econ.arizona.edu> xibo@fido.econ.arizona.edu (Mr. Coates) writes:
>>
>>"He's seeing monsters..."
>
>Great Story, Xibs!  I could almost hear the strains of the Twilight
>Zone behind that one.  I'm wondering if this is like the time I saw
>a red toyota truck like mine passing by, also with a female in the
>seat, wearing all black.  I wear black mostly these days .. one
>wonders..   Let me know if you have any more sightings, this could
>get rather interesting.  Although, if <unmentionable MUDder> walks
>in the room, I won't be around to listen. 

Say, Keith, I hear that this place called the Waterfall, somewhere in San
Diego, will soon be opened to anyone who can prove descent from small
green citrus fruit.  True?

Xref: sparky alt.angst:5007 talk.bizarre:43049 alt.religion.kibology:5578 rec.games.mud.tiny:1170
From: jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (J. Furr)
Newsgroups: alt.angst,talk.bizarre,alt.religion.kibology,rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: while driving home
Date: 28 Dec 92 12:27:06 GMT
Followup-To: alt.angst
Organization: Virginia Center for Lemur Fandom (subscribe to alt.fan.lemurs TODAY)

In article <1hhq27INN136@leela.CS.ORST.EDU> tankgirl@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Tank Girl) writes:
>jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF) writes:
>>In article <XIBO.92Dec20005145@fido.fido.econ.arizona.edu> xibo@fido.econ.arizona.edu (Mr. Coates) writes:
>>>	I thought some more, and realized that this other MR2, this other
>>>self, could perhaps not be from my future, but could be from an alternate
>>>reality, where my life had taken a different turn.  This leaves me left
>>>wondering, just wondering, what I have to do to get back on the timeline
>>>that leads up the hill.  Where did I err?
>>You erred in not having Tank Girl lobotomized six months ago.  End of story.
>
>oh, i find this hysterical, seeing that six months ago one Joel Furr introduced
>me to my current boyfriend.  i'm not kidding, either.  i have proof(tm).
>

Hey.  That's one nasty accusation to level against someone, Tank_Girl. 
Let's see that proof you refer to.

Joel "I am not a crook" Furr
jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu
Xref: sparky alt.angst:4993 talk.bizarre:42958 alt.religion.kibology:5557 rec.games.mud.tiny:1166
From: tankgirl@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Tank Girl)
Newsgroups: alt.angst,talk.bizarre,alt.religion.kibology,rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: while driving home
Date: 26 Dec 1992 14:26:15 GMT
Organization: OSU CS Outreach Services, Corvallis, Oregon
Distribution: world
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jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF) writes:
>In article <XIBO.92Dec20005145@fido.fido.econ.arizona.edu> xibo@fido.econ.arizona.edu (Mr. Coates) writes:
>>	I thought some more, and realized that this other MR2, this other
>>self, could perhaps not be from my future, but could be from an alternate
>>reality, where my life had taken a different turn.  This leaves me left
>>wondering, just wondering, what I have to do to get back on the timeline
>>that leads up the hill.  Where did I err?
>You erred in not having Tank Girl lobotomized six months ago.  End of story.

oh, i find this hysterical, seeing that six months ago one Joel Furr introduced
me to my current boyfriend.  i'm not kidding, either.  i have proof(tm).

-Tank Girl
"it was all Kibo's fault, really"
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: jjozwiak@shearson.com (Jenny Jozwiak)
Subject: RE: BOOKS PLEASE
Reply-To: jjozwiak@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 13:53:20 GMT


well, here are MY depressing/angry book suggestions:

"Johnny Got His Gun", by: Dalton Trumbo

(a great pissed off anti war novel, written after WWI.  It was black listed.)

and

"Last Exit to Brooklyn", By: Hubert Selby, Jr.

(Dont let the upbeat movie fool you, the book is GRIM, GRIM, GRIM.....)


"The Heart is a Lonely Hunter" , By: Carson McCullers


"The Yellow Wallpaper" , I forget the author.



ENJOY!!!!!



Jenny
From: kestanol@porgy.uucp (Keith C. Estanol)
Newsgroups: alt.angst,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: while driving home
Date: 26 Dec 1992 23:56:36 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: porgy.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Dec26.072446.1503@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF) writes:
>In article <1h33qcINN46v@network.ucsd.edu> kestanol@porgy.uucp (Keith C. Estanol) writes:
>>In article <XIBO.92Dec20005145@fido.fido.econ.arizona.edu> xibo@fido.econ.arizona.edu (Mr. Coates) writes:

>
>Say, Keith, I hear that this place called the Waterfall, somewhere in San
>Diego, will soon be opened to anyone who can prove descent from small
>green citrus fruit.  True?
>

Oh my god. PLEASE PLEASE tell me it isn't true. PLEASE tell me he
isn't posting here. *sob*
I was good all year, REALLY!

The Waterfall's in my apartment, and on Lambda.  They both have
security installed.

Keith C. Estanol	    	| storm@ucsd.edu
UCSD, Cognitive Science 	| storm@ucsd.bitnet
Institute of Geo and Planetary Physics : kestanol@bull.ucsd.edu
---------------------------------------------------------------
"We don't want to be victims, on that we all agree.
 So we lock up the killer instinct, and throw away the key.."
From: quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: fuck the notion of *real* angst
Date: 23 Dec 92 12:21:37 NZST
Organization: Welligton City Council, Public Access.
Distribution: world
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duke@portal.paperboy.osf.org (Duke Robillard) writes:

: rhogan@phakt.usc.edu (Ron Hogan) writes:

: [The notion that intellect angst is superior to the stuff most often seen 
: here]   ...strikes me as elitist bullshit.

> Certainly it's elitist.  It's not bullshit, though.  See, I'm working
> from this premise that intellect is intrinsically superior to everything
> else.  I have no objective justification for this; it's just a basic
> premis.

   Gosh, what a wonderful basis to build your life around. One assumes that
you will not be seeking romantic or family commitments, given that this must
inevitably distract you from your intellectual pursuits.
   (IMNSHO) Intellect is a tool. It allows us to appreciate life more, it
allows us to better pursue our goals, and it allows us some amount of 
satisfaction in exercising it.
   However the goals and patterns by which we lead our lives are set by our
needs and our emotions. Intellect is *NOT* superior to emotions, no more than
a computer is superior to a person. They do different things, and both are
needed for a complete human being.

Tony Q.
From: sbate@atl.ge.com (Stephen)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: time to go back
Date: 29 Dec 92 16:18:42
Organization: ATL
	<1992Dec29.185410.22899@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
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In-reply-to: rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu's message of 29 Dec 92 18:54:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.185410.22899@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins) writes:
>is it wrong to not want to owe anyone aything? to not want to be in a position
> of debt? it seems to me that your debt is constantly hanging over your head,
> that you just can't get free because you'll be in debt for the rest of your
> life as you said. that's the feeling of suffocation that i get a taste of 
> when i think of borrowing money. i want my existence to be dependent on only
> me. you owe the great american system for yours. you seem to be preaching
> a lemming's approach..."everyone is doing it, so it must be ok" well, i
> don't want to go hurtling to my death, just because i'll be alone if i don't.
> 
> bah.

I'm another "one in a million" (according to Chuck) who is not in 
financial debt (my assets exceed my liabilities). However, I don't have
quite the angst about debt and credit that you do. For example,
I often use credit cards as substitute cash (and pay the cards off each
month) and I have an auto loan (could have paid cash but prefer to keep
my assets liquid).

I don't think it's wrong not to want to owe anything. However, you seem
to feel stronger about being debt-free than most people I know. You
say you want your existence to only depend on you. What do you mean
when you say "existence" (I assume you don't mean literal existence)?
Unless you are financially independent, your financial well-being is
still dependent on others (employers, etc.). Being in debt doesn't
have to mean "being in debt for the rest of your life". You sound like
you're doing a good job of managing school and a job. You could probably
manage paying off a loan just as well. But, then again, maybe I'm wrong.
You're the only one that knows for sure.

Some of the feelings I picked up from your post reminded me of how I
felt when I was kid and my mom withheld my allowance for not cleaning
my room. I decided I wouldn't depend on that allowance (or any other
external reward or benefit) because other people could use it to
manipulate me. Is this similar to how you're feeling?

Good luck.


--
Stephen
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: bena@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Ben Aveling)
Subject: Re: Dorothy Parker
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 08:34:43 GMT

s14442nb@UMASSD.EDU wrote:
: In article <winkern.25.0@columbia.dsu.edu>, winkern@columbia.dsu.edu (NANCY MARIE WINKER) writes:>
: > [ Amusing anti-male poem deleted, (sorry ) ]
: OK, nice one.  I'm sorry, but your gross generalizations of men and male
: emotions/maturity are WAY off base.  Quite a few of us are rather nice, and 
: have the attention level greater than that of a fly.

And quite a few of us are not nice, and have an attention level which
seems to hover about the fly.  Sometimes almost as high as the neck. 
Swings both ways, as do some of us. :-)

Why worry about it ?

        Ben A. ( bena@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au )
From: rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: private message to apb4819 (voluptua love)
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:10:37 GMT
Organization: st. alfonso's pancake breakfast


sorry, your mail bounced...try something else..?

bah.
--
		    -just give me what for,
	rachel perkins =  rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu
      coed naked internet grep! always keep your link up!
From: rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: fuck the notion of *real* angst
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:58:13 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Dec21.215850.16986@bnr.ca> bucknerb@bnr.ca (Brent Buckner) writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.204943.18740@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> vance@lpl.arizona.edu (Vance Haemmerle x4021) writes:

>>--
>>Vance Haemmerle                         vance%toyvax@arizona.edu
>>Tucson, AZ                             vance@vips.lpl.arizona.edu
>>* If the world ended tomorrow, what would happen to my vacation time? * 
>
>Wow.  Including Rachel, we've got three people from sunny
>tOOson here in alt.angst.
>
>This means something.
>

it certainly does. there's xibo, ed menze, pab, vance, me, used to be jeff 
lewis, was josette/tankgirl, and a few others i can't remember the names of.
sunny t00son is the angst capital of the world. 

and still no one's nuked it to glass for me.

i spent yesterday and this morning thinking i was going to be out of work.
what a jolly scene, unemployment to tell my lovely parents about at christmas.
"well, you knew this college thing was a waste of time, dearie.."
my boss left me a phone message sunday night saying "curt (a coworker) and i 
finished the project you were working on this week while you took finals..why
don't you not come in next week?" i took this to mean  "you're through, finito"

but i got my nerve up and i called and asked to know what this meant, and he 
said no, that he figured i needed a vacation and that he was hoping to see me
on monday after christmas because he wants me to help with the AAS presentation
in early january. so now there's no unemployment angst, but there's presenta-
tion jitters. which is decidedly better. 

even though i still have to go to my parents' on thursday.

bah.

--
		    -just give me what for,
	rachel perkins =  rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu
      coed naked internet grep! always keep your link up!
From: coury@duke.edu (L.A.Coury)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Why I'm such a shit
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:36:05 GMT
Expires: 30 Jan 93 05:00:00 GMT
Followup-To: alt.angst
Organization: Department of Chemistry, Duke University, Durham, NC 27706

In article <85798@ut-emx.uucp> llama@tramp.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes:
>
>so i've been reading the whole duke explaining to the rest of us why
>we're intellectual midgets thread tonight, [...] 
>
>who the fuck died and made duke the judge of what's real and what's
>good? [...]
>if whoever reads this really thinks i'm infecting this group
>with some virulent strain of sentimentality and tripe, then join duke
>in putting me in your kill file and fucking off. 
>-- 
>sine | deb 
>or perhaps we should just have a cfv on my continued
>existence here.

Well, I'm normally a lurker in this group, but sine`s posts are one
of the primary reasons I read a.a.  This is an alt group, not a
moderated group; no one has the right to try to control who
posts here and who doesn't.  Also, it seems like a monumental waste
of bandwidth to call for a vote on the net.  It attaches an unwarranted
importance to Duke's manic rants.  Besides, that's what kill files
are for, and mine will spare me from Duke's pedantic drivel from
now on.

Just my $2E-2 worth.

coury@chem.duke.edu (no relation)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan)
Subject: Re: Fear of Debt
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:09:44 GMT

despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson) writes:

>One of these effects is due to my parents experiences in the Great Depression.
>I am not certain how much of this to believe, but things were undeniably
>difficult.  As a result, they never live outside their means and are 
>preoccupied with their future economic solvency.  This has been passed on
>to myself, making things less pleasant but more realistic financially.

>How many other debt free people were influenced by this?  I imagine there
>are a few strong types who had irresponsible pareents and actively chose
>a different way of managing money.

My parents lived through the Depression (they were in their forties when I
was born in '65), and my family was so large that we were never quite
solvent, in spite of the fact that my parents tended to be frugal out of
necessity.

I am debt free, but I think it's mainly due to the negative example of my
older siblings getting themselves into trouble, as well as my personal desire to
be independent.  I didn't have to work too hard at it, anyway.  I went to a 
state university and had a tuition discount because my father was a professor 
there before he died.  I also had a scholarship that helped with expenses.  My 
mother covered the rest.  Since I've been in grad school, everything has been 
covered by departmental support.  Right now, my savings are much greater than 
my credit card limit (which happens to be absurdly low, but I'm not real 
anxious to increase it).  I have no qualms about using my card when it's 
convenient, but I pay in full every month.

I would feel sort of weird about going into deep, long term debt.  I would 
take out a mortgage, though, if I had real money, because in the long 
run it would be a better deal than paying rent, and I have to live somewhere.  
When I got to Baltimore, I made a conscious decision to live close to campus 
so I wouldn't need a car.  When I eventually buy a car, I may go for something 
economical (possibly used) so I won't have to take out a loan.  I haven't 
really thought about it.  The flip side is that I want a reliable car, and I 
think that once I get a job I'll be able to count on enough income to pay off 
any debt I incur.  That would be the trickiest decision I've ever faced in 
terms of debt.

I don't find my life especially unpleasant.  I'm fairly free with entertainment
expenses.  Imported beer will destroy my liver long before it empties my 
wallet.  I'm not big on durable goods, though.  A big exception is a pair of
binoculars I bought last October to get over a personal crisis.  Fancy toys
like that are nice, but I'm realistic about how much money I have, so I don't
indulge myself very often.

--
"I would rather be torn to pieces by the poison-clawed cat, than to suffer one
instant of acceptance by the resident intellectuals of rec.arts.books." 
     [slightly modified; attribution left as an exercise to the reader]
              -- Paul Callahan, callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu --
From: sbate@atl.ge.com (Stephen)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: No meaning (was "Re: Why I'm such a shit")
Date: 30 Dec 92 09:42:39
Organization: ATL
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In-reply-to: callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu's message of 19 Dec 92 00:47:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.004706.10201@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan) writes:
> this: Do I want to be scientific, or do I want to be happy?  I tried being 
> scientific, and now I'd rather be happy.

Happy, sad, scientific, unscientific, ... it doesn't matter. If you
look at the length of our existence compared with the age of the
universe, you'll see that we are so insignificant that we practically
don't exist at all. There may be a purpose to it, but purpose doesn't
imply meaning (IMO). Someday our dead body may fertilize a beautiful
tree, but that gives no meaning to my life. Intellectual analysis,
emotional outbursts, and physical violence will not change the
situation. We are eternal is the sense that matter/energy is eternal.
The matter/energy that makes up our body and our thoughts will
continue to exist in other forms after our death, but there will be no
consciousness.

You want meaning. How's this... we are being raised like cattle to be
eventually slaughtered to provide food for some (essentially
mechanistic) cosmic entity that we don't know about or even suspect.
Our ignorance is by design. Unlike cattle, we have the ability to
awake, but we are being "drugged" and/or "hypnotized" so that we don't
resist our fate. We are supplied with religion, philosophy, science,
sex, drugs, rock and roll, politics, happiness, and other many other
substances and ideas to keep us under control. Our culture (especially
television) continually suggests (in the hypnotic sense) certain
beliefs and attitudes. We are exposed to it constantly, but most
people don't realize the effect. We march hazy-eyed to our doom with
only a vague feeling that something is wrong -- a feeling that maybe
reality is not what we think it is. If that vague feeling increases to
a certain level of intensity, then it becomes "angst". People try to
avoid angst, but real angst is the threshold of our salvation. Don't
avoid it.  Don't "resolve" it. LISTEN TO IT! It's trying to tell us
something.  It's message is much deeper and more profound than
financial problems or relationship problems or the myriad "little"
problems of our everyday "life".

--
Stephen