HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fsmaw@acad3.alaska.edu (WALKER MARY A)
Subject: what is censorhship
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 14:08:00 GMT

just to throw in my opinion on the issue....
i'd have to agree with mr. w.d. starr....if a newspaper
or network chooses NOT to air/publish something, it is
more of an instance of them exercising a property right, 
and there isn't anything inherently wrong with that,
anymore than there is with my not buying a magazine that
routinely publishes material that i find offensive.

i'm not of a mind to boycott (ignore in an organized fashion)
someone with whom i disagree, however, if i read/hear something
that i disagree with and that i feel that a friend would
also dislike, i will probably tell him or her that and why...
there isn't anything wrong with that, as far as i can tell.
it's an exercise of my right to think what i choose and 
to express that thought.  i am in no way coercing anyone else
to listen or abide by my personal opinion.

i would like to take exception here, in my own opinion,
to the statement made by someone to the effect of 
"a democrat is elected and all the censores come out on usenet"
(not a direct quote, but words to that effect)
your opinion would be less annoying if you at least offered
some validation....but i am not saying that you aren't allowed
to make the statement, i am simply offering my opinion that
your statement is silly and unfounded...which is NOT censorship, btw.

Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: To boycott is not to censor
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 22:11:13 GMT

orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons) writes:

[...]
>   There's really never been any precedent for forcing the media to
>print things it doesn't want to.
[...]

As an aside, this is true for print media, but is not true for
broadcast media. Several FCC rules force broadcasters to broadcast
things they don't want to (mostly statements and commericals of
government officials).

- Carl

-- 
Carl Kadie -- I do not represent any organization; this is just me.
 = kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Re: Banning the Beatles?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 01:32:36 GMT

RE: Beatles song banned in Ottawa.
 
According to a local gossip magazine that I worship, known as Frank.
According to them, and they've got CFRA backing them up, the reporter
that "broke" the ban story was one of the people who called the
station complaining about the song in the first place.  The writer
said that something along the lines that she wasn't the FIRST person
to call in, although she was one of them, so it isn't a conflict of
interest.
 
Rather like a reporter yelling fire in a theatre and then reporting on
it, doesn't it?
 
(Sorry for the poorly editted message above, I'm using a strange
'puter and the cursor keys are rebelling...)
 
Anybody wanting more info, email me, and if I get enough requests I'll
post the Frank article.  (it's pretty short...)
  
                                                  Nik

Newsgroups: alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,alt.privacy,alt.sex
From: orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons)
Subject: Re: To boycott is not to censor
Followup-To:  alt.censorship
Organization: Department of Atomic Text Units
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 05:48:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.224336.24949@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> dlaro@lonestar.utsa.edu (David O. Laro) writes:
|What?  Let him print what ever he wants in *his* newspaper or magazine?
|Hey, if only _you_  have a newspaper or magazine, you have denied access.
|Sounds a lot like "let them eat cake!" to me.  Indeed, I guess everybody
|has a magazine or newspaper at his disposal.

   There's really never been any precedent for forcing the media to
print things it doesn't want to.  There's a moderately famous quote
about that; something along the lines of "freedom of the press is
for those who own one."


|And how do you see it when the National Endowment for the Arts (or the NEH)
|refuses to fund those arts which appear pornographic and objectionable to
|most of us taxpayers?  There were so many people who called it censorship!
|
|But you didn't, I suppose?  You just said, let them publish their "art" in
|their own magazines/display it in their own galleries/support themselves
|with their own fortunes.  That would be consistent with your statement above.

    The NEA is endowed by the US Government.  It becomes a little
iffy when one section of the population uses government funds to
subsidise their particular taste in art.  Calling this censorship
is wrong, but it's still a bad thing.  (Unlike corporate
sponsorship, it's a little more difficult to stop providing the
government with revenues if you disapprove of their taste in art.
And with buttheads like Jesse Helms in government, you can take as
a given disapproval of their taste in art.)
                ____
  david parsons \bi/ stealth artiste
                 \/
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: porges@beretta.camb.inmet.com (Don Porges)
Subject: Re: To boycott is not to censor
Organization: Intermetrics Inc.
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 02:09:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.015701.8835@hellgate.utah.edu> galt%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Greg Alt) writes:
>
>I'm subscribed to over 20 newsgroups.  Without killfiles, I would spend my
>whole life reading news.

...oh...so THAT'S my problem...

-- 
					-- Don Porges
					porges@inmet.camb.inmet.com
					..uunet!inmet!porges
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger)
Subject: Censorship History
Organization: Lexington Public Access Unix. -KY- (606) 255-9121
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 05:54:08 GMT

Can anyone answer a question for me?  What is the history of censorship?  
Especially by theological groups/persons.  And especially as compared to 
today's censorship.  Is it becoming more popular?

-- 
Chad Helfenberger
(chelf@lunatix.uucp) 
Xref: sparky alt.censorship:9737 alt.privacy:2749 alt.sex:40180
From: behnke@FNALF.FNAL.GOV
Newsgroups: alt.tasteless.jokes,alt.censorship,alt.privacy,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Black Jokes
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:06:07 GMT
Reply-To: behnke@FNALF.FNAL.GOV
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov

In article <1992Dec23.160409.21827@wam.umd.edu>, rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
>
>	Sigh.  Who can say how many idiots there are who think themselves
>	the Defenders Of The Net?
>
>> In article <BzpooL.L0t@news.iastate.edu> tndf6@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:

>> (Text deleted)

>> Mike, BTW it was all a joke, RIIIIIIIGHT !?!?!?!?!

Yes It Was !!!!
>
>	In other words, yet another asshole giving out addresses and such.
>
>	Must be the Xmas season.
>
Let it be known that I have written via e-mail to BRYAN_L_SUTTON and Kelvin
regarding my *seemingly* lack of couth in posting ethnic/minority jokes.  In
these messages I attempted to clarify my "qualifications" of any
ethnic/minority jokes prior to my posting them on the net.  If it affends
anyone, let them flame me personnally.  I have no prejudices against ANY E/M
group.

mb

My opinions are my own, and MOST of them don't mean a thing !

mb
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,alt.privacy,alt.sex
From: draper@ais.org (Patrick Draper)
Subject: Re: To boycott is not to censor
Organization: UMCC
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 08:31:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.201703.1848@athena.mit.edu> wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes:
>
>I'm sorry, but I disagree with both Yamanari and Dances With Drums
>(the latter of whom, I _think_, is William A. Turner, but I'm not
>sure).  To boycott is not to censor.  To encourage others to boycott
>is not to censor.  To censor is to use force or threat of force to
>either prevent a person from speaking or to prevent a potential
>audience member from hearing that person speak.<*>  Boycotting does
>neither -- asking people to ignore a given speaker does not inhibit
>his ability to speak, and it does not inhibit the ability of those who
>want to listen to him to do so.
>

If I could jump into the fray.....

If we consider a definition of open mindedness as receiving ideas without
moral judgement, or a belief that all viewpoints are valid, doesn't that
sort of imply that the person who boycotts is closed minded?

I think that a boycott is terribly negative and perhaps contradictory coming
from a truly open minded person. Battle ideas with ideas, not deafness. The
offensive one shouts loud? Then shout louder than them!

One of the reasons that the usenet is so great is it's lack of censorship,
as evidenced by our flame fests: a celebration of shouting louder than
anyone else.

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| draper@umcc.ais.org                   I can't control my toes! - Ramones |
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Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: Re: PORTLAND: American Front (Hate group) transcript 
From: bigbro@netlink.cts.com (Kenneth Sullivan)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 17:21:14 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

hairy@sloth.equinox.gen.nz (Phil Anderson) writes:

> 
> In article <1992Dec27.234117.4806@oracle.us.oracle.com> 
> rchilder@us.oracle.com writes:
> 
>  >Believe me, enough people have been disgusted by B-CPU to _want_ to learn h
>  >to use killfiles, as repugnant as the concept is to many. It seems to me th
> 
> There are people who find killfiles repugnant? How odd. Why do they 
> think so?
> 
>  ----------------------------------------------
>  Phil Anderson  ***  hairy@sloth.equinox.gen.nz
>  ----------------------------------------------
>        "No-one is equal to anyone else!"

I beleive that kill files are somewhat of an annoying idea.  It seems to 
me that it goes along with "Well if I don't hear it, it doesn't exist"  
there are of course reasons where its use is completly justified, it just 
seems sometimes people use them for the same reason the fundies who are 
on the school board at my school have for banning various medias, that I 
should not be subjagated to what others think. Of course if someone is 
just limbauging, i.e. just trying to get others upset without making a 
point, than whatever they say is not worth the virtual paper it's written 
on.

--                    
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From: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: patriot.mit.edu (vanity server alert)
Date: 23 Dec 92 03:05:00 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.2

lcm1501@hertz.njit.edu (Lawrence C. Mc Abee) writes:

>		Avalon, that is just not the point, and you know it. csd
> is/was? a slow machine.  Yes irc gets low priority, no shit.

csd.bu.edu.     360000  HINFO   SUN-4/280 UNIX

That isn't what you would call a slow machine.

And it definately has more MG of memory than you do clues.

avalon

Say no to cluesless people
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: Sten M. Drescher <smd@hrt216.brooks.af.mil>
Subject: Re: patriot.mit.edu (vanity server alert)
Organization: AL/HRTI, Brooks AFB
	<1992Dec14.103032.563@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>
	<1992Dec14.205357.27392@athena.mit.edu>
	<1992Dec15.014934.16284@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>
	<9212151412.AA02280@hrt213.brooks.af.mil> <avalon.725079568@coombs>
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 17:25:34 GMT

On 23 Dec 92 02:59:28 GMT, avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) said:

 Darren> The point is being made about "patriot" NOT "patriot.mit.edu"
 Darren> which is what people want it to be.

	If I do a /w of someone on patriot, I get 

SuperPatriot is SuperUser <root@patriot>
On channels #hiding
On server Patriot.mit.edu (Fastest draw in the East)

Now, if you don't have enough brains to figure out that Someuser is
probably on Patriot.mit.edu, you don't have the brains for us to be
concerned about.  Now if you REALLY need to be sure of where this person
is, do a finger:

% finger root@patriot.mit.edu
[patriot.mit.edu]
Login name: root		In real life: System PRIVILEGED Account
on since ...
<more stuff>

%

Now, if you get a message like:

% finger bogus@patriot.mit.edu
[patriot.mit.edu]
Login name: bogus		In real life: ???
<nothing else>

%

or:

% finger spoof@patriot.mit.edu
[patriot.mit.edu]
Login name: spoof		In real life: Faked
Last login ...
<more stuff>

%

then you have reason to be concerned, because someone from somewhere
other than patriot.mit.edu is hiding.  Otherwise, use the brains your
parents provided you with.


-------------------------------+---------------------------------------------
Sten Drescher                  | There are men who seem like more than men.
2709 13th St #1248             | Living examples of what we could be if we
Brooks AFB, TX 78235-5224      | tried.  They are men of courage, compassion,
-------------------------------+ and justice.  On the other hand, there are
sdrescher@animal.brooks.af.mil | presidential candidates.
-------------------------------+---------------------------------------------
Looking for Marvel Masterpieces promo cards - email with offers.
From: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: patriot.mit.edu (vanity server alert)
Date: 23 Dec 92 02:55:12 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.2

tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (Tim Miller) writes:

>On 14 Dec 92 05:51:24 GMT, avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) said:

> > but if gwydion is an oper on that server, its at least 1 line too long.
>	In the same vein of loving-kindness:
>	But if Avalon exists as a person, that's one person too many.

Is that a threat ?  If so, I'll gladly take you (and some of the others
with me (such as yourself and Gwydion)) with me if you think it would
help...heck, I could probably become famous for it and thats more fame
than your are otherwise likely to get.  Isn't life just full of
wonderful things when you loose respect for others ?

avalon

Say no to pushing any button or pulling any trigger.
From: lcm1501@hertz.njit.edu (Lawrence C. Mc Abee)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: user@host faking.
Date: 26 Dec 92 02:32:24 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


	Since the patriot thread strted this, I thought I would bring it up
 in a seperate thread. Faking of users user@id's on irc is an aannoying and 
 potentially dangerous action.  I would hope other admins would update 
 their server to the 2.7.2gID server that uses authd. Actually, I would 
 hope other server opers/admins would take the stance that we at hertz.njit.edu
 have taken. We allow NO user tampering of user@id's.  This seems obvious to  
 us as a way to make users a little more responsible for their acts.


		Flames to /dev/null please, and Merry Christmas

-- 
         "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, 
         however improbable, must be the TRUTH !" Sherlock Holmes.
	 (The opinions expressed herein are mine, and not NJITs)	
    E-mail: lcm1501@hertz.njit.edu  PGP public key available.
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: joe@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (Joe Judge)
Subject: Ohio servers?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:52:11 GMT



	I'm on the OARnet (Ohio) - are there any servers with which I
	can connect clients on my host?

	I see fairhope at CMU and  some Kent state ones. I'd like 
	some kind of "OK" to use them.


	- joe


Xref: sparky alt.irc:4870 alt.irc.recovery:347
From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Newsgroups: alt.irc,alt.irc.recovery
Subject: One year and counting
Date: 3 Jan 93 23:47:18 GMT
Followup-To: alt.irc.recovery
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia

Hi. My name's Greg and I'm an IRC addict. I haven't used irc in 1
year, 4 days, and 7 hours.

For the new year, I have a new resolution: No Usenet before 5pm
eastern time on work days. And I am announcing a new, multi-player,
networked game:

			   HUNT THE WUMPUS

If you see me on IRC at all or posting to Usenet between 8am and 5pm
eastern (us) time on a working day, I will pay the first person to
spot me and send me email $10 US.

Let the game begin.

(BTW, I am the sole judge, and decisions by the judge are final. Void
 where prohibited or taxed. Your mileage may vary. Consult your doctor
 before exercising. And don't use IRC to talk about this game.)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: buboo@alf.uib.no (Ove Ruben R Olsen)
Subject: Re: A Server's Right to live (numbers and figures).
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 14:30:42 GMT

Darren Reed writes:

>Who would run the script and then admit their server is not needed ?

Only the folks with guts in their belly ! (To cite Charles Bukowski).

>It needs to be able to be done remotely somewhow...

NOT ! This will in a lot of countries interfer with certain laws !

The server should NEVER be able to export a local file over the
network.

\Ruben.
Say NO to clientopen servers !

-- 
        Ove Ruben R Olsen a Gnarfer and VI user. EMAIL: ruben@uib.no. 
     Maintaining the EX/VI-archive and a couple of the Comp.Editors FAQs.
    People that are ignorant tend to live a frustrated life, at least when 
     it comes to editing - But I do belive this is a general rule in life
From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: user@host faking.
Date: 28 Dec 1992 12:30:52 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: irau29.ira.uka.de

In article <1992Dec26.023224.27417@njitgw.njit.edu> lcm1501@hertz.njit.edu (Lawrence C. Mc Abee) writes:
>
>	Since the patriot thread strted this, I thought I would bring it up
> in a seperate thread. Faking of users user@id's on irc is an aannoying and 
> potentially dangerous action.  I would hope other admins would update 
> their server to the 2.7.2gID server that uses authd. Actually, I would 

I really hope they don't run the auth stuff, as this would put a lot
of people off the net who have done no other evil than being on
machines that dont't run authd (or even don't run UNIX - terrible
crime...)

> hope other server opers/admins would take the stance that we at hertz.njit.edu
> have taken. We allow NO user tampering of user@id's.  This seems obvious to  
> us as a way to make users a little more responsible for their acts.

And how do you figure out what a 'tampering' is, and WHO really did do
it? There are machines that have no way of identifying the human at
the other side of the glass...

Happy New Year,
Olaf
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| univ. of karlsruhe - germany |  _>\ _  | s_titz@ira.uka.de   | is still    |
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From: yaz@phoenix.oulu.fi
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: grep IRC phrack*
Date: 31 Dec 92 13:14:17 GMT
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
X-Newsagent: :: uutimet -- news-agent by yaz@phoenix.oulu.fi ::

Check out for Phrack #41, File 8 (TTY SPOOFING).  I incidently did a
grep IRC phrack*  and found this little piece of article:

>     In order to tty spoof, you MUST have at least ONE valid account on the
>system.  You can obtain the account via a little social engineering, or you
>could try a /who *sitename in the IRC to get nicknames and use their username
>and try to hack out the password.  Try looking for users in #hottub and other
>st00pid channels because they are the ones who would tend to have the easy
>passwords.  Or use any other method that you can think of to obtain an account.

This is, what I have been reading, the first time IRC was mentioned in that
Phreak/hack magazine.  That really makes me think, how many phrack readers
(or maybe subscribers, like me) are out there in the Irc-world, and how
many of them actually collect #hottub (etc) users hoping their passwords
would be guessable.

Well, time to change your passwords, hottubers! ;-)

--
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From: asamonte@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: user@host faking.
Date: 26 Dec 92 21:13:03 GMT
Organization: Nothing worth mentioning...

lcm1501@hertz.njit.edu (Lawrence C. Mc Abee) was telling me...
>
>	Since the patriot thread strted this, I thought I would bring it up
> in a seperate thread. Faking of users user@id's on irc is an aannoying and 
> potentially dangerous action.  I would hope other admins would update 
> their server to the 2.7.2gID server that uses authd. Actually, I would 
> hope other server opers/admins would take the stance that we at hertz.njit.edu
> have taken. We allow NO user tampering of user@id's.  This seems obvious to  
> us as a way to make users a little more responsible for their acts.

Well if you look at punisher's motd or eff, or csd, they all say there 
will be no faking of user@hosts...it's been that way for quite a long time
now.  Since atleast when ircd was on betwixt at caltech.

Good policy, but it takes someone to actually enforce it.  for csd, hard to do

-Alex

-- 
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: thecure@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (matthew aardvarkious)
Subject: Re: Server names that you can't connect to.
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 00:00:59 GMT

adrian@rachel.ibmpcug.co.uk (Adrian Hall) writes:

>thecure@ee.mu.OZ.AU (matthew aardvarkious) writes:
>> lancsptx.lancs.ac.uk

>Not surprising really - since this server *shouldnt* exist.
>If it does, then it is a test server only.

It does *somewhere* - There is an admin somewhere than has this
server it his/her C:N lines. 
--
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And the world came crashing around my feet
We don't talk of love
We're much too shy
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: adrian@rachel.ibmpcug.co.uk (Adrian Hall)
Subject: Re: grep IRC phrack*
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 19:54:06 GMT

tommi@rieska.oulu.fi (Tommi Kaikkonen) writes:
> I think #hottub'ers don't know how to read news nor care how to change
> their password. Maybe better GO to #hottub and say that "CHANGE YOUR
> PASSWORD, CRACKER ALERT!".

Gee, and I thought half the posts in alt.irc were from hottub'ers.

Fizzy
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From: st1pn@jane.uh.edu (R@)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: *sigh* Client trouble....
Date: 29 Dec 1992 02:03 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Heh.  Guess I'm not as well-versed in vms as I thought I was.  I have yet
to decipher what needs to be done with any of the vms irc clients I've
found.  I either can't uncompress them, or they do nothing, or I get those
entertaining little comments the vax likes to churn out, and the system help
files don't, and archie done arched out on me.  You get the picture.:)

Any hints?  Somebody spell it all out for me maybe?  Or should I go back to
mudding, and veg out on dikus....


R@:  "%DCL-W-ABVERB, ambiguous command verb - supply more characters"
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