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Date:         Wed, 20 Jan 1993 17:56:27 EST
From:         Derek S Dealy <dealyder@STUDENT.MSU.EDU>
Subject:      Crime movies

 I am a big fan of films involving the mob or "gangster" plots.  My two
favorites were _The Godfather_ and _Goodfellas_.  I think I even liked
Goodfellas more than The Godfather.  Goodfellas would be on any of my top ten
lists.  If  you haven't seen it yet, I highly recommend it.  It is directed by
Martin Scorcese, and stars Robert DeNiro, Joe Pesci, and Ray Liotta.  Pesci won
a best supporting-actor for it.  Any fans of these type of movies please
respond with any suggestions you have.  I would like to see other movies like
this, so if you have any recommendations please tell me.


Derek
dealyder@student.msu.edu
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:57:08 GMT
From:         DOMINIC PLANT <DPLANT@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>
Subject:      Re: Unforgiven
              28 Jan 1993 10:52:43 -0500 from <ellerman@NORFOLK.NADN.NAVY.MIL>

On Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:52:43 -0500 Ens Alexander W Ellermann said:
>
>Let me be the first with a rushed defense of Unforgiven:
>
>        Unforgiven is an astonishing film because it succeeds in delivering
>all the elements of a classic western while questioning the foundations upon
>which the notion of the classic western is based.  This is the most human of

  ............

>town for revenge (not justice).

>        Gotta cut it short.  Have work to do.
>                                                        Alex

   Well when  I go to the cinema its for Entertainment with a
   Captal E ! If I want a documentry I'd rather see it on TV.
   Like it or not Westerns are about strong independent types
   not whiners.

   Comeon, we are used to seeing Clint kill five people while
   being shaved, shooting a guys ear off at God only knows
   what distance, and we liked that. We liked an aggressive
   competant character, so we could watch the character take
   out his aggression and so through him ours.

   Then we have to sit through hours of a Clint who cant
   shoot a bottle that isnt at all mean and not even loaded!
   Give me action and adventure on the Screen anyday. Keep
   the Documetries for TV and the Morals for Church.


                  Dominic.
From: MICK.JEFFRIES@UKWANG.UKY.EDU (Mick Jeffries)
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Date: 26 Jan 93 16:53:19 GMT
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Carol et al.

hmmmmm,  I dunno... Elfman's OK if he'd just lay off the Holst/Wagner overtones
.  I like his more, um, lighthearted efforts like Pee Wee and Simpsons;  they
 show more range and versatility, IMHO, which is a must for film scoring.
 There's only so many moods a menacing string crescendo can underscore.

*but* I can always be sold on Stewart Copeland as a rock soundtrack guy.
 Now there's a unique style!  Ever check the Rumble Fish soundtrack (not
 to mention Talk Radio, Wall Street, The Equalizer, and a zillion others)?

'Course the elder statesman of film scoring, Ennio Morricone, would say some-
 thing like "if you even *notice* the soundtrack, the music is overstated"
     Cast my vote for brilliant subtlety....

Mick Jeffries, armchair critic par excellent
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:22:05 EST
From:         JSORIANO@UCS.INDIANA.EDU
Subject:      Silent Chariots

For a magnificent (no exaggeration) documentary on how the original
Ben-Hur chariot scene was filmed, seek out the Thames' TV series
"Hollywood" from 10+ years ago.  Its worth the trouble of searching
for these hour long episodes.  The explanation of the hanging
miniatures and the puppets used in the crowds will forever change
the way you view this scene.  You will also notice the poor fellow
who accidentally ran into the camera view in 1920s clothing and
was not edited out due to the cost of reshooting.

How could any body be bored by the remake of Ben-Hur?  The noise
alone could wake the dead.

Jo Ann Soriano
Indiana University, Bloomington
JSoriano@eus.Indiana.edu
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From:         Gayle Gleason <ST402486@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Golden Globes

>
>Thanks.  Wow.  So, it looks like "Scent of a Woman" will win the best picture
>award at the Oscars.  They say that whichever film that wins the best picture
>at the Golden Globes, will do the same at the Oscars.
>
>Euge

 Hmm....I hope not.  I think that Unforgiven was a flawless movie, and deserves
the oscar.  Maybe I feel this way because Unforgiven came out in the summer
when there was NOTHING else good out there.  What do you all think?
Howards End was also very good, but Unforgiven had that....I don't know...
American Movie feel to it!  Unforgiven wasn't just a good movie, it was
a tribute to the genre.
--Gayle Gleason
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:51:20 -0500
From:         Ens Alexander W Ellermann <ellerman@NORFOLK.NADN.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Cinema Frustration

Dominic,
   How does one work out frustrations sitting in a movie theater?  When I
need to work out frustrations, I step into the ring with one of my buddies
& box a few rounds, or lift in the gym, or go for a good, hard run, or maybe
just blow up enemy spaceships on my computer.  How can sitting in a dark
room for two hours watching an actor squeeze a trigger help anyone "work it
all out?"
                                                        Honestly curious,
                                                                        Alex
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:48:33 EST
From:         Derek S Dealy <dealyder@STUDENT.MSU.EDU>
Subject:      New Releases

 Does anybody have any requests on movies to see this weekend.  I am planning
to go to the movies Saturday night with a friend.  We were planning to go see
the film, Alive, but I was wondering if there was anything out that you could
recommend.

   Thank You

        Derek (dealyder@student.msu.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:04:08 -0400
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: A List for List Lovers

>Let's see. . . I'll say you were a walk-on in DeNiro's
>opium den in Once Upon a Time in America.  Close?.

Close.

kjf-
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:56:00 PST
From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Ken Crane's

Fern & Jeff:
  I'm going to send an updated list of video sources, including
Crane's, soon.  I have the disc of THE RED SHOES but don't
know if it's still in print.  I'm going to Crane's today or
Thursday and if you want, I'll get a copy if it's there.  And
it might well be there, even if they've never heard of it
when you call them.

Does anyone know if the restoration of NOAH'S ARK (the silent)
has been released???

Jim Thompson
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:09:16 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: 10 ways

Rolando & Alex,

I'm sorry and (rhetorically at least) ashamed to learn that Sommersby is a
a doppleganger of Martin Guerre.  It was made in my area of the country,
at least a lot of it, not more than 60 miles or so from where I am in the
Shenandoah Valley.  And I just noticed from the credits on the TV spot that
it's got a score by Danny Elfman!  (Well, this film's still another stretch
for him, I guess.)  Jeff Clark
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Date: 26 Jan 93 17:04:00 GMT
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The Director's Guild of America announced their nominations and it
looks more and more like Clint Eastwood's year. The nominees are -
Clint Eastwood(Unforgiven), Rob Reiner(A Few Good Men), Robert Altman
(The Player), Neil Jordan(The Crying Game), and James Ivory(Howards
End). The absence of Martin Brest could mean that Scent of a Woman
winning the Best Picture(Drama) in the Golden Globe won't be enough
to sneak it into the elite 5.
                                                       Rolando
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:47:35 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Remakes revisited

Alex,

I've never seen more than the chariot race from the original Ben Hur, but
some revisionist opinion in this instance, too, says it was better than the
inflated and often boring remake.  (Original was with Ramon Navarro in the
Heston role... surely *you* remember *him*?)  I don't know.  The Wyler-
Heston Ben Hur is often flabby, pious and sentimental (but hey, the "classic"
novel was no great shakes), but has some real basic storytelling virtues.
It keeps you watching if you're in an undemanding and receptive mood.
Jeff Clark
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:27:14 -0600
From:         CDOMS@UMKCVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Batman and Jack Nicholson

Actually, before they even casted the first Batman movie.  I thought
that Christopher Lloyd would have made a great Joker.  He tall and lean
like the Joker in the Comic books and he is a great character actor,
that 'gets into' the part.

I had to admit I was afraid when they announced Jack Nicholson for
the part.  Because I though it would be Jack Nicholson in White face.
My misgivings proved to be groundless.  I thought Jack did a good job.

Carol Doms
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:34:51 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Remaking older films

Actually, Jim, in the matter of HItchcock remaking Man Who Knew Too Much,
you're concurring with the conventional wisdom that the remake was a pro-
tracted error.  I've noticed the opinion's been changing in some quarters,
in recent years.  I myself have gone up, down and up on the Stewart-Day
remake, but have such vague memories of the original, I wouldn't presume
to be firm about a comparative opinion myself.  And since the last time I
couldn't stand Day warbling "Que Sera," I've gotten an appreciation both
of her acting and her singing that's much more respectful.  So I don't
know what my reaction will be next time I see the remake...  Jeff Clark
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:20:41 -0500
From:         Ens Alexander W Ellermann <ellerman@NORFOLK.NADN.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Re: 10 ways

>         Jeff,
>            Great suggestion! If I'm not mistaken, the new Richard Gere/
>    Jodie Foster movie, Sommersby, is also a remake of The Return of
>    Martin Guerre. I just saw the trailer for Point of No Return, the
>    remake of La Femme Nikita, and scene by scene was exactly the same
>    as the original. Yuk!!!
>                                                 Rolando
===========================================================
I, too, recently saw the MARTIN GUERRE trailer & I was appalled.  The trail-
er gave away absolutely everything about the picture!  I have zero motivation
to see this version because I already have - in the space of about 4 minutes.

                                                                Alex
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Date:         Wed, 20 Jan 1993 13:11:21 -0600
From:         CDOMS@UMKCVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Real life roles-->movie roles

How about Garrison in JFK.  Didn't he play the judge, to Costner's
DA.  (Garrison was the real DA in the movie)

Carol Doms\
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Subject: RE: Tom Tryon

Ray:

The movie I was trying to think of with John Gavin playing the government
official was "Topaz."  I don't know what it is about Gavin and Tryon, but they
do seem interchangeable.  I guess after a while those tall, dark, handsome
types all look alike.  Generally, I prefer more interesting looking actors.

Ellen

P.S.  The tall blonde guy from Monty Python (Graham something) was a doctor
before he was in MP, and before he was dead so I guess that qualifies him for
that list, too.
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From: MKERBEL@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Michael)
Subject: Re:    recasting
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 09:15:22 EST

I'm coming into this discussion somewhat late, so maybe someone has mentioned
the following remake:
HIS GIRL FRIDAY (1940) -- Cary Grant and Rosalind Russell.  Directed by Howard
Hawks.  Remake of THE FRONT PAGE (1931).  Far superior -- in fact, a model of
classical Hollywood filmmaking, IMHO.  There was another remake, THE FRONT PAGE
(1974, I think), with Walter Matthau and Jack Lemmon. Despite the cast, and the
director (Billy Wilder), it didn't measure up to either of the first two
versions. Part of the reason for HIS GIRL FRIDAY's superiority is the fact that
the reporter, Hildy, was a woman instead of a man, and had been married to the
editor (Cary Grant) -- which of course radically changed the relationship.
 
While we're on the subject of remakes, has anyone mentioned SCENT OF A WOMAN,
which seems to be a remake of a 1979 Italian film?  I haven't seen the Italian
film, but it is about a blind man.  Is it a coincidence, or did Bo Goldman, the
scriptwriter of the Pacino film, rip off the original?  I say rip off because
there is absolutely no mention of the original in the credits.  Again, I am
coming into this late, so maybe this has all been discussed.
 
Pretty bad remakes include SCARFACE (DePalma), BREATHLESS (McBride -- although
it did have some good moments), WILLIE AND PHIL (Mazursky remake of JULES AND
JIM), FAREWELL MY LOVELY (Directed by Dick Richards -- with Robert Mitchum, a
remake of MURDER MY SWEET), THE BIG SLEEP (also with Mitchum -- absolutely
awful).  HIGH SOCIETY, a musical remake of THE PHILADELPHIA STORY, was not
horrendous, and it did have Crosby, Sinatra, Grace Kelly and Louis Armstrong,
but it wasn't anywhere near the original in quality.  Did anyone ever see BILLY
JACK GOES TO WASHINGTON, a remake of MR. SMITH. . . . ?  The very thought is
sickening.  BODY AND SOUL, a 1981 remake of the 1947 classic, was dreadful.
Arthur Penn directed a film called DEAD OF WINTER, which was a remake (although
as far as I recall, unacknowledged) of a nice little film called MY NAME IS
JULIA ROSS - 1945.  The remake was not up to the original, and was especially
disappointing for an Arthur Penn film.
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:08:40 EST
From:         Mark POINDEXTER <37PSVFB@CMUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: MST3K

I just joined the list and missed previous references to what appears to be
an MST3K list. I have a friend who wants to get on it. Can someone post
instructions for joining (exact name of list, its node, etc.)?
From: SCP23021@NOVELL1.RTC-CARLOW.IE (Janet O'Neill)
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Subject: Re: Boneheads
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:34:04 GMT
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It seems Rolando that you definately have a hangup on Arnie and
others being boneheads but are you sure that you are not Jealous?
Although the people that you mention in your opinion are boneheads
they also have more than you have and have probably gotten further
being boneheads than being intelligent like...yourself.

Janet
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:58:12 EST
From:         Brodie H Brockie <brockieb@STUDENT.MSU.EDU>
Subject:      re: Elfman & remake
              Jan 26, 93 11:53 am

But then we all know that the MASTER of movie scores is John Williams, right?
>                                                 -Brodie
> Carol et al.
>
> hmmmmm,  I dunno... Elfman's OK if he'd just lay off the Holst/Wagner overtone
s
> .  I like his more, um, lighthearted efforts like Pee Wee and Simpsons;  they
>  show more range and versatility, IMHO, which is a must for film scoring.
>  There's only so many moods a menacing string crescendo can underscore.
>
> *but* I can always be sold on Stewart Copeland as a rock soundtrack guy.
>  Now there's a unique style!  Ever check the Rumble Fish soundtrack (not
>  to mention Talk Radio, Wall Street, The Equalizer, and a zillion others)?
>
> 'Course the elder statesman of film scoring, Ennio Morricone, would say some-
>  thing like "if you even *notice* the soundtrack, the music is overstated"
>      Cast my vote for brilliant subtlety....
>
> Mick Jeffries, armchair critic par excellent
>
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:56:20 GMT
From:         DOMINIC PLANT <DPLANT@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>
Subject:      Re: Western prejudice?

On Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:04:56 EST Michelle Pfeiffer's Purrvert (Yee, Eugene) said
>
>Has a western ever won the Oscar for best picture?  It just seems that the
>genre, along with animation and science fiction, is prejudiced against by the
>Academy Awards every year.  If that's so, "Unforgiven" might not win the best
>picture award.  But then again, there's always the first time.
>
>Euge


       Why is everyone so impresed  with Unforgiven, I thought
       it sucked, Only in the last few minutes was Clint Eastwood
       Clint Eastwood from all the great westerns that we all like!


                       Dominic.
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:22:58 -0600
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Subject:      Elfman and the Remake

(sounds like a music group doesn't it?)

If Elfman is the doing the music for Sommerbey (sp?)  the remake of
_Return of Martin Guerre_(sp?).  At least we are guareenteed a decent
sound track :) :)

Carol Doms
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:37:00 CST
From:         Rolando Recometa <$W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Janet and Arnie

Janet,
    I never envy anyone's fame or success. I'm happy the way I am -
intelligent with enough money to live on.
                                                    Rolando
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 12:54:25 -0500
From:         Jason Briggs Cormier <CORJB@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      A request for information

Can anyone tell me about other lists which discuss cinema?  I am
trying very hard to decide whether or not I want to study film
in graduate school and am trying to read as much as I can about
the subject.

You can respond to me privately at

CORJB@RHODES.BITNET

Thanks,

Jason Briggs Cormier,
Rhodes College,
Memphis, Tennessee
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:28:17 -0400
From:         Don McCreary <surak@PX1.STFX.CA>
Subject:      Is anyone out there

I haven't received any mail from this list for almost two days.  My REVIEW of
the membership showed I was still there.  Just checking to see what's up.

Don
From: SCP23021@NOVELL1.RTC-CARLOW.IE (Janet O'Neill)
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Subject: Batman and Jack Nicholson
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:31:28 GMT
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I am very sorry Wayne Horan I loved Batman and particularly Jack
Nicholson as the Joker. I don't think that the Curry fella could have
done any better. As for the computer games I would much rather watch
a film than play a computer game....thanks all the same Archie oops
Dodgy Jim oops I really mean Wayne....

Janet
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