From: tomster@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Thomas Richard Dibble)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM SUCKS!
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:04:53
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: bcoleman@hayes.com's message of 26 Sep 92 00:09:53 EDT

In article <6051.2ac3aa51@hayes.com> bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman) writes:

   In article <1657@anagld.analytics.com>, sammy@anagld.analytics.com (Sam Blackburn) writes:
   > Devil writes:
   > 
   >>I have tried IBM machines and compatibles before buying my mac, and
   >>now I know the truth; DOS machines, Windows, Microsucks are all brown
   >>stuff...
   > 
   > Macs aren't suited for a lot of applications that PCs do today.  

   Name *ONE*.

   > It's a lot easier to develop PC applications and maintain PC hardware than
   > Macs.  Not to mention cheaper.

   RE: PC Applications. If you develop for Windows, it ain't any easier. If you
   develop for DOS, your applications are easier because they do less. Hence, you
   aren't comparing equivalent things.

What?  They do LESS?
I don't know what kind of panty-ass programs *you* have been writing,
but I can get DOS to do quite impressive things.  That's neglecting direct
hardware manipulation.  Can you even get CLOSE to manipulating the hardware
on a MAC?

   RE: Maintainence. Perhaps you ought to look up a few studies that were done
   a few years ago (some were sponsered by Apple, others were independant) that
   showed that while PCs had lower hardware investment, when you added in the
   additional costs of maintainence and training, Macs were actually cheaper!

The same ones that say it costs $6000 to buy a computer that runs Windows?
Give me a break.

   And that was a few years ago, before the introduction of lower cost Macs.
   While PC hardware has gotten even cheaper, those maintainence and training
   costs haven't!

I beg to differ.  Have you bought and/or maintained a pc built in the last
year or so, Mr. Apple Spokeman?  It is quite difficult to get a machine which
will break on you.  Open up a brand new machine -- even a 286 -- and compare
it to a standard computer of three years ago.  Note the difference in
structural as well as component integrity.

As a side-note, I'm sure you will acknowledge IBM's decline in the market-
place compared to Gateway, et al.  This is not because suddenly the world
doesn't want computers to last the year; it is because the higher quality
in most modern computers makes the extra cost for IBM support awfully
difficult to rationalize.


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