HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO)
Subject: WHO THE FUCK IS RACHEL?????
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:39:02 GMT

Ok, I haven't read alt.config for about a week, so I just decided to look it 
over again, and what do I find? Approx. 45 trillion letters saying the want 
a newsgroup call alt.fuck.rachel.and.burn.her.on.a.stake.kill.kill.kill

Just tell  me who she is, and I'll  probably hate her myself.

----G
Xref: sparky alt.config:5780 alt.non.sequitur:85 rec.audio:12537 alt.exploding.kibo:577 alt.missing-kids:328
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.non.sequitur,rec.audio,alt.exploding.kibo,alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.lurker
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (dogbowl)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 19:54:25 Y
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS
Keywords: lurk
Summary: lurk

mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh) writes:

> This is the official RFD for a new group, tentatively named "alt.lurker".
> I see a real need for this group (especially for the t.b and soc.* 
> populations)... a group for all of those lurkers out there, hiding amidst
> the woodwork of the net. Actually, since most of the proponents of this
> group will be, in fact, lurkers themselves, I expect very little
> (if any) bandwidth to be "wasted" on such a group. Everyone will instead
> sit on the group and "lurk", as it were... no waste of resources
> whatsoever! 

Hmmm. Sounds like fun. Do it!

A lurker from way back.


dogbowl at The Dawghaus BBS  ( +64 6 357-9245 )


Newsgroups: alt.config
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Re: Proposal for alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:45:47 GMT

In article <xaxnytd.tyger@netcom.com> tyger@netcom.com (Kitty in the Middle) writes:
>
>PS: Show of hands: How many sites that are protesting a.f.d.a carry
>    alt.fan.tiny-toons? alt.fan.ren-n-stimpy? 
>
>    Just curious.

Are you sure that's alt.fan.tiny-toons?  We've got alt.tv.tiny-toon and
rec.arts.tv.tiny-toon (the rec group isn't supposed to exist, but it still
gets posts once in a blue moon.)

Bill Marcum  bmarcum@world.std.com



Newsgroups: alt.config,news.config,alt.suburbs,alt.planning.urban
From: dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.architecture
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 02:51:35 GMT

wai@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Benjamin Wai) writes:

: 	I also strongly support this idea and I believe the field of 
: 	Architecture deserves to become part of sci.*.

What about a planning newsgroup?  Currently, alt.planning.urban is in the alt  
heirarchy (of course) but I wouldn't want to see it there forever.  A mid-level  
planning heirarchy would be nice, but it could fit under sci and soc, being a  
multi-diciplinary field.  So ... what sounds better ...

soc.planning.urban (and related *.planning.* subgroups)
sci.planning.urban 

I personally wouldn't mind rec.planning.urban, because I think zoning is fun!  
:). 

--
   Dan Tasman                                       dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu
                                                     molson@rever.nmsu.edu
   -----------------------------------------------------------------------
   "I think that I shall never see a billboard lovely as a tree
    Indeed, unless the billboards fall, I'll never see a tree at all."
                                                                Ogden Nash
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.war
From: rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu (Rao V. Akella)
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.war.vietnam
Followup-To: alt.config,alt.war,talk.politics.misc,soc.history
Summary: Proposal for new newsgroup
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Reply-To: rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu
Organization: Colon Cancer Control Study, University of Minnesota, Minneapolis
X-Lunar-Date: 0 days, 9 hrs, 33 mins until the full moon (U.T.)
Distribution: world,local
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:12:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.133228.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu>, f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
> Is there an interest in creating a newsgroup for discussion of the
> Vietnam War?

There's a mailing list dedicated to Vietnam called VWAR-L, served out of (I
think) the University of Buffalo(e :-).  It's been a while since I subscribed
(and unsubscribed) to it, so I don't remember the exact particulars, but
perhaps you could check the list out (and maybe, if alt.war.vietnam were to be
created, we could even tie the discussions together by gatewaying the newsgroup
to the mailing list, if they were willing).

But be warned: this is a very emotional topic (as if I needed to tell anyone
that).  When I left the VWAR-L list, they were having frequent high-intensity
flame-fests, with the vets frequently arrayed against the non-vets.  Most
"discussions" were of the "you just don't understand" variety (but maybe that's
to be expected).

Talking of war, an excellent mailing list is Larry Jewel's WWII-L mailing list
(again, one which I'm no longer subscribed to -- I couldn't handle the volume).
I would really love to see it gatewayed to something like alt.war.wwii, and in
fact begged :-) him several times to make it so, but most members of that list
didn't want to have anything to do with Usenet (their consensus, perhaps
justified, was that Usenet is more noise than signal).  Puhleeeeze, Larry? :-)

-- Rao Akella    <rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu, rao%moose@umnacvx.bitnet>
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva)
Subject: PROPOSAL: alt.disney.* groups
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:19:46 GMT

You people have convinced me that there is a need for groups for
people who want to talk about Disney things other than the Disney
Afternoon.  So I've come up with some potential groups and groupnames.
The charters should be self-explanatory:

alt.disney.misc
alt.disney.land
alt.disney.world
alt.disney.euro
alt.disney.japan
alt.disney.movies
alt.disney.movies.animations
alt.disney.movies.live-action
alt.disney.movies.touchstone
alt.disney.mickey-mouse
alt.disney.movies.touchstone.splash.daryl-hannah.babe.babe.babe
alt.disney.comics
alt.disney.advocacy
alt.disney.marketing
alt.disney.legal
alt.disney.conspiracy
alt.disney.announce
alt.disney.newusers
alt.disney.newusers.questions
alt.disney.movies.reviews

Any comments or suggestions are welcome.
-- 
Stephanie da Silva                                    arielle@taronga.com
"I am *not* Tuskernini -- and this is an excellent disguise!" -- Tuskernini
Xref: sparky alt.config:5568 alt.motorcycles.harley:765
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: removal of alt.motorcycles.harley
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:05:21 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1992Sep4.155929.6054@aber.ac.uk>, ccs@aber.ac.uk (Christopher "Jd" Samuel) writes:

| If there are no serious objections before Monday (either posted to
| alt.config or mailed to myself) I will issue an rmgroup for it then.

  At the moment there is more and better discussion going on here than
in the rec group, so consider this a serious objection. I will keep this
group at my sites until the rec group shows some signs of viability and
a freedom from flames from rice-jockeys.
-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
    I admit that when I was in school I wrote COBOL. But I didn't compile.
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.privacy
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: CFD: alt.privacy.encryption
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:55:34 GMT

>This newsgroup would probably be initially concerned with the "Pretty Good
>Privacy" encryption program, but would encompass other similar programs
>and related technologies.
>What do you think?  Would there be too much overlap with sci.crypt?

I think it should be a bit more general group - how about
alt.privacy.tech?  That would also include technology for anonymity,
using pseudonyms and so on.

//Jyrki
Xref: sparky alt.config:5789 alt.rock-n-roll:15846 alt.music.progressive:2436 rec.music.misc:23428
From: dubs_cif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Jeremy DuBois)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.rock-n-roll,alt.music.progressive,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.music.marillion
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:57:53 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <Pue5qB4w164w@jaflrn.UUCP> grendel@jaflrn.UUCP (Don Becker) writes:


>alt.music.marillion:

>Purpose: For discussion of the group Marillion, their music, and assorted
>related bands, such as Fish, How We Live, and The Europeans


  Definately a *YES* here. 

-- 
/ Jeremy DuBois \ 
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From: hauben@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Hauben)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: New description line for alt.amateur-config
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:37:26 GMT
Organization: Columbia University

We would like to change the description of the alt.amateur-comp
newsgroup that goes into the new newsgroups file - is this the
newsgroup to post the change to?

alt.amateur-comp  Discussion and input for Amateur Computerist Newsletter
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.music.marillion
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:05:20 GMT

Aside from the concept of voting for an alt.group, I would like to say I 
disagree with the argument that alt.progressive "does the job".  I, like many 
of my friends who like Marillion, am not into progressive music as a genre.  
I'd like to be able to get info on them and Fish without having to slog through
95% files I have no interest in, and am not one of the lucky ones with 
convenient killfile ability.  It's like when I signed up to rec.arts.anime.  
There was so much stuff I had no interest in to wade thru that I eventually 
dropped the group.  The yes "votes" here do indicate that a Marillion & 
chattels group would be supported, presuming sysadmins accepted it. (My 
sysadmin hasn't gotten alt.comics.lnh up yet...grrrr)  In any case, I'd love to
get an alt.music.marillion group here...the newest info I have on the group 
(well, former group member) was in a Cerebus piece showing Fish up for an 
office that Cerebus wasn't let on the ballot for.  While we're at it, is there 
an alt.music.TMBG out there?
     Dave Van Domelen, wonders if the Renaissance mentioned is a group or if 
they mean *real* Renaissance music, from the 15th Cent.
From: howard@crs.cl.msu.edu (David Howard)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL for group "alt.cesium"
Date: 5 Sep 92 21:31:45 GMT
Reply-To: howard@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (David Howard)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Michigan State University

I'd be interested in joining a newsgroup like that. I think the discussions
can be improved with the addition of the Usenet crowd from around the country.

David Howard
howard@crs.cl.msu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.planetary.science
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:00:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.150814.29179@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp) writes:

>Good ideas, but since planetary science is *not* in reality a subgroup of 
>astronomy, but its own science,

I know that this is hard for you to understand, but most people think
that planetary science, space science, astronomy, and physics have a
large overlap. That's probably why you lost the vote in the first
place.

Usenet: live and don't learn. It's a way of life.
Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.arts.books
From: sl@wimsey.bc.ca (Stuart Lynne)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL for group alt.fan.mystery.detective
Organization: Wimsey 
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 23:38:07 GMT

In article <18b6caINNgqi@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> saint@cats.ucsc.edu (Dan Bodenheimer) writes:

>The main change of mind that I have had is to try and get a usenet
>group instead of an alt. I think that jchokey@leland.stanford.edu's 
>suggestion of rec.alt.mystery-lovers is probably just fine! The
>only reason I put detective on the end was that it would make a
>search easier to do. (for people looking for that subject) 
>
>I had an idea that this newsgroup would be more in line with what the
>magazine "The Armchair Detective" covers, and not the horror/suspense
>stuff of Stephen King and others. Arthur Conan Doyle, Agatha Christie, Dick Francis are great authors for disscussion, but let us not leave out
>Ian Fleming, LeCarre, and some of the other spy/detective folks.

There is no reason not to go ahead with alt.mystery while a discussion
proceeds in news.groups about rec.arts.mystery.

Alternatives:

	rec.arts.mystery
	rec.arts.books.mystery
	rec.arts.movies.mystery
	rec.arts.murder

One of the best ways to get something like this off the ground
is to show some traffic in an alt group first. And it only takes
a few minutes to get the alt group created.

To get the ball rolling. Does anyone out there have a good collection of
Elliot Paul's Homer Evans murder mysteries? There are supposedly about six.
But I've only been able to find three. Been out of print for years.

-- 
Stuart Lynne <sl@wimsey.bc.ca> ....................... UNIX Facsimile Software
Wimsey Information Technologies ................... moderator biz.sco.binaries
uucp login:nuucp passwd:nuucp .................. ftp.wimsey.bc.ca:~ftp/ls-lR.Z
PD Software for SCO UNIX .................. ftp.wimsey.bc.ca:~ftp/pub/wimseypd
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: New group suggestion: alt.support.lyme-disease
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:43:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.231646.35486@watson.ibm.com> 
 yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo) writes:
>I'd like to create a group for the support of people with 
>lyme disease.  People could share their experiences.

This is one case, Ralph, where I think you're better off using an
existing group.  Since sci.med has a high readership and extremely good
propagation, you might want to try to at least start a thread on the
subject; if you can't drum up any interest there, an alt group is
definitely not going to be successful.

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            news@uchinews.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.war.vietnam
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:39:32 MST
Followup-To: alt.config,alt.war,talk.politics.misc,soc.history
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <11SEP199217124760@moose.cccs.umn.edu>, rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu (Rao V. Akella) writes:
> In article <1992Sep11.133228.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu>, f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
>> Is there an interest in creating a newsgroup for discussion of the
>> Vietnam War?
> 
> There's a mailing list dedicated to Vietnam called VWAR-L, served out of (I
> think) the University of Buffalo(e :-).  It's been a while since I subscribed
> (and unsubscribed) to it, so I don't remember the exact particulars, but
> perhaps you could check the list out (and maybe, if alt.war.vietnam were to be
> created, we could even tie the discussions together by gatewaying the newsgroup
> to the mailing list, if they were willing).

Hmmm.  I have full access to Bitnet mailing lists (via Listserv, I think),
and vwar-l wasn't there.  Maybe some more info would be helpful?  Gatewaying
discussion isn't critical to the group, I think....there's enough interested
users on Usenet to keep it alive.

> But be warned: this is a very emotional topic (as if I needed to tell anyone
> that).  When I left the VWAR-L list, they were having frequent high-intensity
> flame-fests, with the vets frequently arrayed against the non-vets.  Most
> "discussions" were of the "you just don't understand" variety (but maybe that's
> to be expected).

Yeah, I expect so.  I can only hope that out of the inevitable flame wars I
can get some decent perspectives from the level-headed types out there.
With the recent explosion of interest in the war (after a long period of
trying to wish it away), I think we could get some good historical
perspective/debate going.

>Talking of war, an excellent mailing list is Larry Jewel's WWII-L mailing list
>(again, one which I'm no longer subscribed to -- I couldn't handle the volume).
>I would really love to see it gatewayed to something like alt.war.wwii, and in
>fact begged :-) him several times to make it so, but most members of that list
>didn't want to have anything to do with Usenet (their consensus, perhaps
>justified, was that Usenet is more noise than signal).  Puhleeeeze, Larry? :-)

Usenet is more noise than signal and mailing lists aren't?? You should've
seen some of the maillists I was on. And they weren't even politics lists. 

Well, I'm not a sysadmin, so I hope a critical mass of interest develops
so we can newgroup this proposal.  Thanks for the reply.
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
Xref: sparky alt.config:5708 alt.privacy:1836
From: tomrice@netcom.com (Tom R. Rice)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.privacy
Subject: Re: CFD: alt.privacy.encryption
Date: 12 Sep 92 00:42:56 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:

>By FCC  regulation, it is illegal for amateur radio operators to
>transmit encrypted signals.

	Yes, but we are now technically able to do things to our
	sigs which were never envisioned when the rules were 
	drafted.  There was a time when the FCC wouldn't allow
	hams to use ASCII because the FCC didn't have the equipment
	to monitor it and hams had to stick to 5-level Baudot for
	years.  That rule is why spread-spectrum and other modes
	are attractive; note how reluctant the FCC is to grant
	rule relaxation for spread-spectrum experiments 
	in the bands below 440 mHz.  The only thing the
	no-encryption rule really addresses is intent.  

	Suppose I can encrypt messages so that they appear to be
	harmless, ham-type messages (wx, QTH, rig, etc.), but
	actually conceal the real message with current public-
	key techniques.  Someone will soon be able to do this
	conveniently, I'm sure.  Then the rule sort of becomes
	moot, wouldn't you say?


-- 
"Start off every day with a smile and get it over with."  --W.C.Fields
Tom R. Rice   WB6BYH                   Holler Observatory - 
tomrice@netcom.com                     Longitude:  121 d  30 m  20 s W 
CIS: 71160,1122                        Latitude:    37 d  25 m  10 s N
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: CREATION OF ALT.WANTED.PROSTITUTE
Date: 6 Sep 92 10:30:19 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

In article <lexier.715240700@sfu.ca> lexier@fraser.sfu.ca (Lyle Lexier) writes:
>
>There is no need to call the police, if it is legal to have prostitution.
>At least in Vancouver, it is maybe dangerous for prostitutes to remain on 
>city corners, but it is not illegal.  Police should be called for more
>urgent matters instead like murder, rape, robbery, etc.
> 
That would be fine if the proposed newsgroup only covered Canada or other
places where prostitution were legal.  In the US, as far as I know, it's only
allowed in the state of Nevada.  Why?  Damned if I know.
From: dheller@hunter.boston.sgi.com (Deb Heller)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Proposal: alt.architecture
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:38:58 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

I agree with previous posts, this would be a great newsgroup.
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.non.sequitur,rec.audio,alt.exploding.kibo,alt.missing-kids
From: mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh)
Subject: RFD: alt.lurker
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:48:23 GMT

This is the official RFD for a new group, tentatively named "alt.lurker".
I see a real need for this group (especially for the t.b and soc.* 
populations)... a group for all of those lurkers out there, hiding amidst
the woodwork of the net. Actually, since most of the proponents of this
group will be, in fact, lurkers themselves, I expect very little
(if any) bandwidth to be "wasted" on such a group. Everyone will instead
sit on the group and "lurk", as it were... no waste of resources
whatsoever! 

The discussion time is 2-3 weeks... or we could just go ahead with
the CFV since most of the lurkers won't respond to the discussion
anyway. 

Thoughts?

mdw

-- 
Matt Welsh    mdw@tc.cornell.edu        +1 607 253 2737
Random Hacker, Cornell Engineering and Theory Center 
  "I'll eat anything that's BRIGHT BLUE!!"
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: newgroup alt.planetary.science
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:50:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.034349.19679@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp) writes:

>I agree that if there is a heirarchy, then 
>what you suggest is a good idea, but since all the rest of the names seem
>to be in a simple descriptive format (and the fact that it's alt to begin
>with) does it really matter?

Yes.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: tyger@netcom.com (Kitty in the Middle)
Subject: Re: That Bitch
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 19:14:30 GMT
Organization:  Funk the Dumb Stuff!

In article <Bu838K.By0@world.std.com> bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum) writes:
>Aren't you people forgetting, or didn't you know, that "that bitch" is not
>even a real person?  "Rachel Daffy-Duck Christie" is just one of several
>aliases used by rdc@netcom.com .  He/she often posts messages with the name
>"Rachel" at the top, and signed "Carasso" (its favorite pseudonym) at the
>bottom.

Aw but people like Carasso and his friend RICHH give Netcom character, so that
the quiet people like me don't have to work so hard! :)

>Bill Marcum (my real name)

  Tyger
-- 
      Kristen Kohlbecker    And I would choose to be with you
      tyger@netcom.com      That's if the choice were mine to make   
                            But you can make decisions too
      A Tyger and a Lady    And you can have this heart to break