From: steven@advtech.uswest.com ( Steve Novak)
Subject: Re: Spoken Like a True ProLifer
Keywords: Energizer Weenies
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:14:53 GMT

> = vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () writes:
>> = Larry Margolis 

>>>That's not a fetus.

>>Right - in most abortions, it's an embryo, not yet a fetus.

>Document this.         

Um, Larry documented this last week.  You're not very good at
disingenuousness.

In fact, maybe we should add it to the FAQ.

>>>Don't put words into my mouth.  Having sex and getting pregnant are not 
>>>crime. They are, however, actions that an adult must deal with like an 
>>>adult.

Meaning, getting pregnant is only a crime when the woman chooses an
abortion.  At least in your nightmare view of what society should be.

>>Abortion is one way of dealing with an unwanted pregnancy.

>Abortion is a way of avoiding being a mature adult, which kills a baby.

Blatant assertion alert!              

Eddie keeps sniffling and calling mindless blobs "babies".  Eddie thinks
being "mature" is having a baby you don't want!  In fact, I'd like to
hear Ed's views on child abuse.

Thanks.

>>>Don't call it a fetus because I doubt you know what a fetus really is.

>>Well, *I* think I do; what do *you* think a fetus is?

>A fetus is the prenatal stage of a species in which the unborn offspring
>begins to take on the basic physical characteristics of its post birth
>form.  In humans this occurs approximately 8 weeks after fertilization.
>
>Would you like anything more specific?

I'd like something a little more *accurate*.  Every definiton *I've*
seen is, after 3 months.

Now, if you were using the Pat Robertson Revisionist Dictionary, then I
guess I see where your problem is.

Oops!  Boy, it's easy to make Paul look bad.

>>>Having sex is exactly the same thing.  Once you have CHOSEN (pro-choice?)
>>>to have sex, you must grow up and be responsible for the result of that
>>>action.

>>Getting an abortion is one way of taking responsibility if that action results
>>in an unwanted pregnancy.

>Call it what it is.  It is avoiding responsibility.  It is also murder.

No, dweeb, in no state of the U.S. is it murder.  In no state in the
U.S. is abortion illegal.  It's not going to change.  Splatter spittle
as you will, you are not facing up to, or living in, reality.

I've never seen such a monolithic block of boneheaded liars as the
pro-"life" contingent here on t.a.  You lie, get caught, ignore getting
caught, lie again, get caught...

You should be named "The Energizer Weenies - they just keep on
bullshitting!"

If you have a problem with women having sex, say so.  Claiming that a
pregnancy from failed birth control or ignorance of birth control 
constitutes forced birth for a woman is misogynic and thick-skulled.

Maybe you could invent an artificial womb, Crocodile Tears, and bring to
term all the fetuses you whine about.                          

>I now know you don't know anything about prenatal development.

This from the guy that knows nothing about when an embryo becomes a
fetus.

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