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From: wallace@titan.trl.OZ.AU (Glenn Wallace)
Subject: Re: address of Telecom Australia
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 12:03:31 GMT

ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson) writes:

>Trust a trl employee to get it wrong.

Trust someone from UQ not to _read_ my post. I said I *wasn't* a
trl employee. :-P   Most trl employees are brighter than I anyway. :)

>The only part of telecom australia TCP/IP connected to the network may
>be TRL. Other telecom divisions are mail affiliates and get email/news
>via UUCPlike dialins.  this is just as much 'officially on the network'
>as any other form. slower, cheaper, but just as 'official'.

Do AARnet support this type of connection if the activities aren't to
do with research/educational type stuff? Or does AARnet policy only
cover sites actually connected to the AARnet backbone?

That's a real question, not a rhetorical or sarcastic one. I really
don't know the policy, but heard it was semi strict.

Perhaps our definition of connected lacks some semantic clarity.

I could be defined as connected as I can mail/ftp/read news (and
download news and read it locally) yet I don't consider my group to be
'on the net'. I won't split hairs over this though, we both know what we
meant.

Cheers,

Glenn

(not a clerk and not a trl employee)

Net: g.wallace@trl.oz.au | Help me escape this country! You can't buy Jolt
RealTime: Glenn Wallace  | here, and they don't have Tower records, or
Work: Telecom Australia  | Fry's or anything! Argh.... Oh to be at WDW!
      Drift Project      | I'm on the next plane outta here!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Syed)
Subject: mysticism in oz
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:34:21 GMT

   A semi serious question: is Oz going "all Buddhist"?

   When I first went to Australia several years back, it seemed my (mainly
   programmer or librarian ) friends were into bushwalking, tin whistles,
   Toohey's Old, and computers. This past June, some of the same group wanted
   to listen to the Dalhai Lama and David Suzuki, visit ashrams and
   meditate. I thought at first that it was just my group of friends,
   until I came across a book in our library - "Under the Shade of
   a Coolibah Tree". It's a series of articles by philosophers from various
   unis in NSW, Vic, and Qld for the most part. The subtitle has to do
   with "consciousness", so I picked it up thinking to find the usual
   AI and semiotics stuff. Instead I found writeups on Transcendental
   Meditation, parapsychology, Hindu scriptures.... (and one nice 
   article about Aboriginal paintings of European ships).

   I'm getting a strange impression from this that the mysticism thing
   is not just confined to my circle of Sydney friends. After all, 
   if academics pick up on something, it must be pretty pervasive 8-}
   right? A few years back, an American wrote a book called "At the
   Edge of History". His idea was that California represented the
   westermost advance of western civilization, and that LA was the
   city at the edge of history where east and western cultures would
   clash in a big Hegelian dialectic and a new planetary culture would
   be born. (His name is WI Thompson b.t.w.). I'm getting the impression
   that Oz is more worthy of that title...{.
   
   Does curiosity alone account for the 3K * 2 nights attendance at the
   Dalai Lama's talk, for example? When did all these ashrams spring up?
   How much of the academic curriculum is being devoted to understanding
   the East? Etc. etc. ? 
-- 
--- 
       "We cannot think without imagining."  -- Thomas Aquinas
            cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Brown-Syed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.new-zealand
From: spreddan@glenn.uwaterloo.ca (Sean Reddan)
Subject: Re: RMIT/Melbourne
Organization: Earth Observations Lab
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 01:12:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.203810.22386@emr1.emr.ca>, randall@ccrs.emr.ca (David Randall) writes:
> 
> Well I've finally made a decision about my Oz exchange.  I will be going 
> to RMIT in Feb. in the meantime I will be looking for some tips on places
> to see, possibly a place to live (probably fairly important) and maybe
> even some tips on RMIT itself.  I will also be looking for a job so
> if anyone can direct me I would appreciate it.
> 
> Thanx for listenin'
> 			Dave
> -- 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dave Randall                        
> randall@ccrs.emr.ca             
> University of Waterloo co-op    
> 

You wanker - who'd give you a job!  A word of warning folks, this character 
is a danger to the health of the Australian people.

Anon.


> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: keane@eng.umd.edu (Christopher Matthews Keane)
Subject: Address in Sydney and Newcastle.
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 17:40:27 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: soc.culture.australian

I am looking form Email addresses and a mailing address for a couple
people at USydney and UNewcastle.

Does anyone have an EMail address for Dr. Hamilton at the Med School
at the Uni of Newcastle.  How about a 'Coran Lange?"

Is there a way to find out the address of a student at the Uni of
Sydney?  I lost touvh with her several years ago, and she has since
moved, etc....

Thanks.
Christopher Keane
keane@earthsun.umd.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.usa
From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Subject: Re: Modern Day Miracle!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:33:33 GMT

In article <9226820.1659@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>s342046@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au writes:
>
>The whole philosophy of Free Market Economy is just a way for
>the competitive countries like UK and USA (and Europe for that
>matter) to rip off less competitive countries like Australia
>and New Zealand.  Why did "some" dumb Australian politicians
>listen to their lies and follow their "orders" is beyond my
>comprehension.

And look how well managed economies, and closed markets have
been able to maintain, let alone improve the standard of 
living of its victims.  I doubt that 'rip off' would apply, as
this same 'rip off' usually means to make the home grown enterprises
competitive and as cheap as the others in the markets.

And please, no 'holier than thou' tirades.  The USA has experienced
similar 'rip off' with Japan, Korea, Germany, etc.  USA industry
is more competitive and stronger for it.

>
>The USA keeps telling the rest of the world to open up their
>markets, and reduce trade barriers, etc, and then turn around,
>and took over Australia's three biggest export markets for
>agricultures, and kicked Australia out of newly formed markets.

And Geoge Bush supervised it all!  Really!  I doubt that a
presidential decree making Australian goods illegal or some
such malarchy was done.  The USA was able to deliver cheaper.
There is nothing to stop Australian buisnesses from entering those
markets (and if you disagree, please give examples).

>
>It keeps telling Asia/Pacific nations not to form a trade
>bloc, and then turn around and create a North American Trade
>Bloc.  Having USA in APEC really worries me.

Because the US, Canada and Mexico are going to drop trade barriers,
does not mean that they are going to form a protectionist 'bloc.'
You assume too much here (that NAFTA is going to even work...).

Why would the USA in APEC be worrisome?

>
>How can the rest of the world let USA get away with such
>hypocricy is beyond my comprehension!

Because its not hypocricy.  
-- 
Brent L. Irvine					"Dyslexics of the World
irvine@decwa.ece.uiuc.edu			UNTIE!"		- Kral Maxr

Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: phjm@fairfax.com (Phillip Merrick)
Subject: Re: toronto and sydney bashing
Organization: Fairfax Software Corp., Fairfax VA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:56:26 GMT

In article <BvGGxu.2LC@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Syed) writes:
>
>
>   Just for the info of Aussies who may not know
>   what the recent comments about our fair city mean,
>   Toronto-bashing is to the great white north what
>   Sydney-bashing is to Oz. "Sydney or the bush" and 
>   "Toronto, centre of the universe" are rough equivalents, eh?
>    ;-) ;-)

I think it is especially appropriate that you should equate Melbourne-Sydney
rivalries with those between Toronto and Montreal. A couple of years ago
a Washington DC thinktank rated a hundred or more of the world's larger cities
for "live-ability", based on dozens of criteria such as housing, recreational
opportunities, crime, even the number of public phones.

Melbourne and Montreal tied for 1st place.

-- 
Phillip Merrick				| Domain:    pmerrick@fairfax.com
Fairfax Software Corp., Fairfax VA	| UUCP:	     uunet!fairfax!pmerrick
From: ewartd@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Revolting Animals
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:21:27 GMT
 <1992Sep28.204547.7371@news.Hawaii.Edu> <1992Sep28.222007.140879@watson.ibm.com>

In article <1992Sep28.222007.140879@watson.ibm.com>, andrewt@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Taylor) writes:
> In article <1992Sep28.204547.7371@news.Hawaii.Edu> gerard@caliban.soest.hawaii.edu (Gerard Fryer) writes:
>>- the toads also ate dung beetles, ...  Ever resourceful, the
>>aussies introduced the giant dung beetle (from where?). 
> 
> The problem with dung beetles was not Cane Toads. Australian dung beetles
> were adapted to the smaller faeces of kangaroos they couldn't cope
> with cow faeces. This is why larger dung beetles were introduced. I'm
> told its been very successful. (My memory is that the Beetles were African).
> Also Cane Toads were introduced to Australia, Fiji and Hawaii to control not
> flies but the Cane Beetle.

Yes, African.  The main hassle with the native dung beetles is that they
don't like open grasslands but do much better in forest situations.  Thus
clearing has reduced their effectiveness.  In the dry grasslands we have
termites that eat dung.
  
> 
>>I don't know how things are in Oz now, but here in Hawaii the bufos are in
>>precipitous decline (as are all amphibians throughout the northern hemisphere).
> 
> Cane Toads are still expanding their range but native amphibians are declining.
> Notablely both species of Gastric Brooding Frog are believed extinct.

Gastric brooders went out probably (we'll never know for sure) through habitat
damage from logging the surrounding forests.  Otherwise, right across the
continent, frogs are in decline.


> 
> Andrew Taylor

Don Ewart
SECS, U of Melbourne
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: sphilip@cs.ulowell.edu (Sheela B. Philip)
Subject: FIGI Islands
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:24:00 GMT


Hi,

I am posting this for a friend of mine who is from the FIGI Islands. She is
looking for anyone who is living in the Greater Boston area from the FIGI
Islands. Please reply to me directly and I will forward your messages to her

Thank you very much,
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: phjm@fairfax.com (Phillip Merrick)
Subject: Re: Australian Newspapers
Organization: Fairfax Software Corp., Fairfax VA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:40:20 GMT

In article <timaa.717902733@ee.uts.EDU.AU> timaa@ee.uts.edu.au (Tim Aubrey) writes:
>I hope this is the right group for this query.
>I wish to know where Australian newspapers (particularly
>the Sydney Morning Herald and the Independent Monthly)
>can be obtained in the Stanford area.

While we're on the topic, has anyone sighted any in either the Washington DC
or New York City areas? The only place I've seen Oz newspapers for sale on the
East Coast is that great little newsagency in the middle of Harvard Square.

I know they have a good selection in the reading room at the Embassy, but
my office is a fair hike from the District and you can't take them home
with you anyway.
-- 
Phillip Merrick				| Domain:    pmerrick@fairfax.com
Fairfax Software Corp., Fairfax VA	| UUCP:	     uunet!fairfax!pmerrick
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: spreddan@glenn.uwaterloo.ca (Sean Reddan)
Subject: Re: toronto and sydney bashing
Organization: Earth Observations Lab
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:31:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.222632.20460@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, peta@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Peter Whaite) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Oct3.082325.23970@cs.uow.edu.au> alex@cs.uow.edu.au (Alex Zelinsky) writes:
> >phjm@fairfax.com (Phillip Merrick) writes:
> >
> >>Melbourne and Montreal tied for 1st place.
> >
> >Obviously in the case of Melbourne this US thinktank did not take into
> >account the WEATHER! Melbourne might be a great city but the weather
> >SUX! If you placed Melbourne in the same geographic location as Sydney, then
> >you would have the best city in the world.
> 
> In comparison to Montreal, Melbourne is a tropical paradise. However I do
> suspect that there is a LOT more sunshine, and at least the water isnt liquid
> for half of the year.
> 
> However they are way off beam anyway -- Montreal is much more like Sydney,
> (except I can actually afford the rent), and Toronto is more like Melbourne
> (grey, flat, and trams).

Excuse me, but you are way off the mark here.  Melbourne and Toronto may
have similar geographical features (and trams), but that certainly doesn't 
make a city - the people do.  I've heard it over and ove, that Australians
 have more in common with French-Canadians than most Anglo-Canadians, 
(language aside).  Melbournians and Montrealers have a real passion for life,
 moreso than Sydney or Toronto, so if anything Montreal is more like Melbourne
 than Sydney. Montreal is a vibrating city, even at the worst of times, and 
Melbournians love their city and the sport that goes with. After all, where is
the Grand Final played and the Melbourne Cup run? 
(As but just two obvious examples).

chew on that.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Subject: Re: Sydney University's e-mail address, please?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:39:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.151440.22295@ccu.umanitoba.ca>,
	 bahman@beer.umeeng writes...
>Hi everybody,
> 
>I'm looking for e-mail address of Sydney and New South Wales University in Australia.
>I would like to get some info. regarding engineering programs offered.
> 
	If you're on a UNIX box, "finger help%phone@dir.su.oz.au" should get
you started with Sydney Uni.

>Would you please write your response to this e-mail:
> 
> 
>      umhafez0@ccu.umanitoba.ca 
> 
	Hope this damned software does send as well as followup :-)
Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
From: arif@sooty.bt.co.uk (Arif )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Software in Australia
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:03:21 GMT
Reply-To: arif@sooty.bt.co.uk
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

I hear that contracting in Australia is currently not advisable due to lack of
jobs and deepening recession.

Can anyone confirm/deny these views?

Post responses to newsgroup.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.new-zealand
From: isilver@meena.cc.uregina.ca
Subject: RE: Are foreignborn kids of UK citizens british??
Date: 27 SEP 92 05:02:00 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada

      The warning applies to Americans, too. My wife is a dual
Canadian/U.S. citizen, & I am a triple Canadian/New Zealand/U.K.
citizen. Our 3 children are registered as U.S./Canadian/N.Z.
citizens, and have both Canadian social insurance cards, & U.S.
social security cards. All 3 were born in Canada.
      Now, should I register them with the U.K. Government, as
children of a British citizen?
      Curioudly,
            Ian
From: nsp00@ccc.amdahl.com (Nigel S Pope)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Australians in the Bay Area, CA
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:53:00 GMT
Reply-To: nsp00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com ()
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


From the postings to this (and other groups) I would guess that there are
a number of Australians living in the 'bay' area of California.
  
Apart from the Australian Restaurant in San Jose I don't know of any 
popular meeting spots for expats living here.
  
Is there some group or a central place where expats gather every now and
again?
  
If so, please post details to the board (or me).  I've been here for over
two years and would certainly welcome the company of expats on the odd 
occasion.
  
Cheers,

Nigel (Mr. Aussie B'Stard)
 

-- 
nsp00@juts.amdahl.com: 'All opinions mine - Not my employers...so there'

"This here's the Wattle, the symbol of our land.  You can stick it
 in a bottle, or you can hold it in your hand."  (MP - Circa 1970)
From: spreddan@glenn.uwaterloo.ca (Sean Reddan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Need address
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:02:41 GMT
Organization: Earth Observations Lab

I need some help with an address in Western Australia.  Could someone forward 
the address, (preferably email if possible), for the organisation that deals
with entrance to undergraduate courses in WA.  (Maybe they are called WATAC;
 West. Australian Tertiary Admissions Committee). 

Any help will be muchly appreciated.

Cheers,
Xref: sparky soc.culture.australian:4401 soc.culture.british:13129
From: bww+@cs.cmu.edu (Bradley White)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.british
Subject: dual-standard VCRs
Summary: where can I buy one in the USA?
Keywords: PAL, NTSC, VCR, dual-standard
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:27:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BvAzDs.L5y.1
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, PA

G'day,

I am currently in the market for a dual-standard (PAL/NTSC) VCR.
That is, one that can record and play-back both PAL and NTSC VHS
formats, and at least display on an NTSC monitor.  Previously in
this forum the Panasonic `AG-W1' and a model from AIWA have been
mentioned.

If you have any comments or suggestions on these or any other
models, I would appreciate hearing from you.  In particular, I
am interested in ...

	- recommendations/disrecommendations,
	- lists of functions/features,
	- expected prices, and
	- convenient U.S. sources (mail order?)

Please respond to me directly and I will summarize to the net.

Thanks!

Bradley White <bww@cs.cmu.edu>         +1-412-338-6914
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: cook@barleywine.atd.ucar.edu (Forrest Cook)
Subject: Looking for things to do in Townsville
Organization: Atmospheric Technology Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:59:22 GMT

Howdy (G'day),

I will be visiting Townsville from October 11 through November 11 with
the TOGA/COARE weather project and would be interested in any information
on the Townsville area.  TOGA/COARE (Tropical Ocean Global Atmosphere/
Coupled Ocean-Atmosphere Response Experiment) is a weather project involving
16 countries with the goal of getting a better idea of the ocean and
weather interaction in the area North of Australia near the Solomon Islands.
I will be helping to set up the Townsville operations center and will get
to set up computer networking and short wave radio communications (CQ DX :-).

So, I was hoping to find out a few things:
- What kinds of local places do you recommend for recreation?
  I hear that the beaches in Townsville may have some nasty sea stingers
  and possibly sand flies, are there any recreational beaches without
  such creatures nearby?
- Does Townsville have any kind of local music scene?  I'd love to see
  a concert by Midnight Oil or Yothu Yindi for instance.
  While on the topic of music, are there any import regulations I should worry
  about if I want to bring some tapes to listen to?
- I'm interested in seeing the Great Barrier Reef, are there any preferred
  boat tours or methods?
- Are there any good areas to bicycle?
- How about restaurants suggestions?

P.S.  I promise I won't be an Obnoxious American Tourist ;-)
      In fact, I don't even LIKE McDonalds food...

--
 ^   ^  Forrest Cook - <<< Have a homebrew! >>>
/|\ /|\ cook@stout.atd.ucar.edu WB0RIO (This posting is my OPINION)
/|\ /|\ {husc6|rutgers|ames|gatech}!ncar!stout!cook
From: steve@fulcrum.oz.au (Steve Taylor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Looking for things to do in Townsville
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:17:17 GMT
Organization: The Fulcrum Consulting Group

Well, I lived in Townsville for ten years, and *I* never worked out anything
entertaining to do.

I spent my teenage years hanging around roller skating rinks to the music
of Status Quo. The classiest of these rinks had weird orange fake fur on
the walls - until it caught lice from the kids, and had to be removed.

Enjoy yourself.


							Steve
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: c9112151@cc.newcastle.edu.au (caius martius coriolanus)
Subject: Australian Republican Movement
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:36:36 GMT
From: c9112151@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Ulysses)
Newsgroups: nu.general
Subject: Australian Republican Movement (A.R.M)
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:27:59 +1000
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA

From: c9112151@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Ulysses)
Newsgroups: nu.general
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA

Subject: Australian Republic Movement
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA

Attention!

Could anyone interested in being involved with the
proposed branch of the Australian Republican Movement
here at Newcastle Uni please contact me at the
address below:

c9112151@frey.newcastle.edu.au

Any discussion here in nu.general would also be a
good idea for those who may be unsure of the nature
of the movement and its aims.
From: nsp00@ccc.amdahl.com (Nigel S Pope)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Australian Newspapers
Date: 5 Oct 92 06:30:35 GMT
Reply-To: nsp00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Nigel S Pope)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Its because they have to travel back in time to get here.
that sort of technology is damm expensive.



-- 
nsp00@juts.amdahl.com: 'All opinions mine - Not my employers...so there'

"This here's the Wattle, the symbol of our land.  You can stick it
 in a bottle, or you can hold it in your hand."  (MP - Circa 1970)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson)
Subject: Re: address of Telecom Australia
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 01:20:52 GMT

Trust a trl employee to get it wrong.

The only part of telecom australia TCP/IP connected to the network may
be TRL. Other telecom divisions are mail affiliates and get email/news
via UUCPlike dialins.  this is just as much 'officially on the network'
as any other form. slower, cheaper, but just as 'official'.

These include product development and network engineering here in Brisbane,
yes folks, telecom roma st east tower and telecom roma st west tower, the
same building, BOTH connect to us (U of Q) to do news/email to the internet.
Twice the cost. Twice the cables. Half the internal political hassle.

-George
--
                         George Michaelson
G.Michaelson@cc.uq.oz.au The Prentice Centre      | There's no  market for
                         University of Queensland | hippos in Philadelphia
Phone: +61 7 365 4079    QLD Australia 4072       |          -Bertold Brecht
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian