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From: rhiann@carson.u.washington.edu (Sandy --not Sandra)
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Subject: Does SciFi Channel cut episodes????
Date: 24 Dec 92 04:42:45 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

I have tapes I made of Battlestar Galactica when it was first on the air.

The tapes are begining to break down, and I'd love to replace them with
new ones from the Sci Fi Channel, but I need to know if they are getting
cut up, or if they are running them in good shape.


((Posting for a friend, but feel free to e-mail to me...))
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From: glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier)
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Subject: Re: Information From The SCI-FI Channel
Date: 23 Dec 92 22:25:30 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

>---- Text from the SCI-FI Channel follows -------
(deleted)
Maybe I'm just prejudiced, but I wouldn't trust any channel that calls
science fiction "Sci-Fi"

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From: agonzale@wam.umd.edu (Cleopatra Jones)
Subject: Babylon5 - What is the air date?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 18:05:36 GMT


	Does anyone know what the airdate is for Babylon5, EST time?


	Thanks in advance.
From: wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-smof.cts.com!rfletcher@cactus.org (Robert Fletcher)
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Subject: Re: Space Ranger?????
Date: 2 Jan 1993 14:17:24 -0600
Organization: The SMOF-BBS: Science Fiction Online Since 1985 [512-467-7317]
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  Good save, but I still think that the Amiga can put out the work. All
that is needed is a person who know what they are doing.
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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor Morgan)
Subject: Batman: The Animated Series (was QL in Entertainment Weekly)
Bcc: savoia@sw.stratus.com wmorgan
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:00:29 GMT

>In article <1h80gbINNl6m@transfer.stratus.com>, savoia@sw.stratus.com (Rick Savoia) writes:
>|> So, in other words, whoever made this list has a serious
>|> problem with serious shows.  8 out of 10 of those are
>|> comedies of some type.  I'll Fly Away is a serious but
>|> good show and Batman is a cartoon. 

In article <BzptEp.E76@apollo.hp.com> jlevine@apollo.HP.COM (Jennifer E. Levine) writes:
>True the list is mostly comedies however, I think that Batman 
>is better than the average cartoon.

Yes.  We should not assume that "cartoon" = "comedy" or
"cartoon" = "bad".  Batman: The Animated Series is most definitely not
a comedy.  There is not much humor in it, just well-done detective
stories with action.  It is very dark.  I think that it is one of the
best television shows on today.

Also, it is meant for adults, because it is on in prime time.

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From: jkung@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jimmy Kung)
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Subject: Re: Space Ranger?????
Date: 1 Jan 1993 15:41:38 -0600
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
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In article <1992Dec30.000344.28525@netcom.com> you write:
[...]
>I know the individual who did the graphic work for Space Rangers.  I'm not
>sure what he used in terms of available Amiga graphic packages but creating
>great level of SFX can certainly be done on the Amiga and at a far lower
>price tag than "more poweerful and complex workstations".  One prime example
>of this will be Babylon 5 where Video Toasters are put to darn good use.  I
>know the guy who worked on Space Rangers has a Toaster himself but perhaps
>not the same level of "toys" as Foundation Imaging who does Babylon 5.  Of
>course, the artist also has something to do with it and Ron Thorton of FI
>is one mean artist!  If I had a fraction of his talents...        
>
>Having not seen Space Rangers yet, I can't comment but I felt I did have to
>follow up.  The Amiga is certainly capable of high level effects provided 
>the artists knows how to produce them. 

I regret saying that the way I did.  What I meant, is that alot
of Amiga computer animation I've seen seems have put in less
effort than a graphics workstation.  This is painfully obvious in
something like THE MIND'S EYE video, whomever was using the Amiga
didn't work hard enough on the 3D Depth, it looks far too flat
than most of the other images.  I have seen some better videos of
Amigas which do this better, but in my experience, the work I've
seen hasn't been able to defeat this problem.

So, I shouldn't have said that Amiga's are worse that creating
SFX, but rather the work I've seen isn't quite as good as the
bulk of computer animation on workstations?

Does anyone know whey they used for the animation on the pilot of
DS9?  It was quite good, it must have taken alot of $$$ for all
the SFX in that one, which is quite surprising to me.

jkung@acs.ucalgary.ca      |  "It's better than bad,it's good!"
                           |             - Log(tm) by Blammo!
From: wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-smof.cts.com!rfletcher@cactus.org (Robert Fletcher)
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Subject: Re: Babylon 5 & Deep Space Nine start dates
Date: 22 Dec 1992 00:20:31 -0600
Organization: The SMOF-BBS: Science Fiction Online Since 1985 [512-467-7317]
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

  I just saw an advertisment for one more Sci-Fi show coming in January. I
did not catch the title but it looks every bit a off the wall as Baby-5
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From: detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio)
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Subject: TV GUIDE ARTICLE: TIME TRAX
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:51:03 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Reprinted from TV Guide without permission from an article by
Timothy Carlson & Mark Schwed

This is just some general information, the FAQ's no doubt will correct
any errors and omissions.

TIME TRAX (Syndicated series, debuts January 20)

The worst criminals in the year 2193 have escaped to 1993.  Darien
Lambert (Dale Midkiff), a dedicated law-enforcement officer, travels
back thru time to nab the crooks.

Time TRAX is an acronym for Trans-Time Research & Experimentation.  The
hero has a holographic sidekick named SELMA - Specified Encapsulated
Limited Memory Archive.

Lambert can run 100 meters in 8.6 seconds and has a 208 IQ.  He carries a
pellet-gun disguised as a car alarm.

Criminals are ubder the direction of a brilliant but evil physicist, Dr.
Mordicai Sahmbi (Peter Donat).

Lambert's sidekick SELMA is a computer who "looks like Mary Poppins,
talks like HAL, thinks like Spock, and is as fussy as C-3PO", says
the executive producer Harve Bennett.




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From: mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN)
Subject: Re: Red Dwarf
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 06:21:06 GMT

In article <20DEC199212294018@udel.edu> jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle) writes:
>In article <1992Dec19.214102.45801@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, 2puhsagely@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes...
>>Is there any fans of the British TV show Red Dwarf.  Its about a mining ship
>
>	Right here!
>
>> [description deleted]
>>The show is on Saturday night on KCPT Kansas City Public television.  I wonder
>>how many episodes there are and if it is still being made.  The show is based
>
>	There are five seasons, each having six episodes. Season six is being
>made as we speak, and will air in Britian in early spring.
>
>>on a book by the same name.  Is there any sequels to the book?
>
>	Actually, I heard RD was based on a radio show, and if memory serves,
>the book is based on the TV series. Anyone out there with a better memory
>remember what I'm talking about?
>
>	Joe Delisle
>
You're right, the book is based on the TV series, it is by Grant
Naylor, and is widely available in the USA under "Infinity
Welcomes Careful Drivers."  It is very funny, and I recommend it.
I should also mention that there is a net, alt.tv.red-dwarf.
Come on over.

Marc
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From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: TNG, DSN, B5 and Time Trax all on one channel in LA
Organization: none
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 18:06:25 GMT

In article <ostubble.725250260@uclagsm> ostubble@agsm.ucla.edu (Otha Stubblefield III) writes:
>
>NO, it's not the Sci-Fi channel.  Channel 13 (KCOP) showed promos
>for Time Trax and Babylon 5 today (during 6:00 showing of Roseanne)
>to air in January.  No specific date was given.
>
>

Ah, now there is a TV station to remember. When I was a kid in California,
KCOP was the low rent station around town. This meant that they had to 
run a lot of cheesy movies, and to grab viewers they walked a thin line
towards "Adult" content. Lots of sleazy drive-in films, and the like.
Sure they cut some things, but I will never forget finally seeing the 
end of "Brain That Wouldn't Die" with the Mutant in the closet ripping
the arm off the lab assistant. Sure, they cut some gratuitous scenes of 
the guy smearing the walls with his blood, but the arm ripping was intact.
Took me ten years to get to see that again, because most copies don't
even have that footage!

They used to run "Plan 9 From Outer Space", "Truck Stop Women" and a lot
of made in the phillipines "horror" films, by the likes of Al Adamson.
They were a big factor in my evolution into the semi-crazed movie
fanatic I am now. Good to see they still have some taste!
KCOP, I salute you!

Happy Holidays to one and all!
Pax
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From: roper@chinet.chi.il.us (Bill Roper)
Subject: Re: Does SciFi Channel cut episodes????
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 05:17:26 GMT

<1992Dec25.180034.4267@news2.cis.umn.edu>
<1992Dec28.201347.4980@atlastele.com>
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
 
 
I don't know whether SciFi Channel or USA is using this technology,
but there is equipment available that will allow you to shorten the
running time of an episode without actually cutting anything.
 
Basically, they just compress the sound and video so that it can
be played in less time (leaving more time for commercials).  Obviously,
in the case of sound, they have to pitch-shift to avoid having the
voices get higher -- remember Alvin and the Chipmunks?
-- 
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From: langbein@pilot.njin.net (John Langbein)
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Subject: Yes, He Spoke. Re: QL: ANIMATED(Coyote)
Date: 3 Jan 93 01:06:53 GMT
Organization: Information Builders, Inc.

In article <1992Dec21.221449.18871@sfu.ca> grant@tiamat.ucs.sfu.ca (Grant Dimock) writes:

> In article <92355.162154SML108@psuvm.psu.edu>  writes:
> > Sheesh, doesn't anyone remember "Wile E. Coyote...   Super Genius..."?
> 
> Wasn't that when Bugs substituted for the Roadrunner?

Wyle E. Cyote has spoken in 2 roadrunner cartoons and numerous ones
with Bugs. The one with the Sheepdog is Ralph (The sheepdog is named
Sam), NOT the same Wyle E. Coyote. Look at his nose. It is different
in the sheepdog series.

The one roadrunner one he spoke in featured 2 kids talking about the
cartoon, and they asked why the coyote chased the Roadrunner. Wile E.
Coyote stopped and said something like "An intelligent question, young
man, deserving an intelligent answer." He proceeds to describe the
'flavors' of each part of the Roadrunner. Rhe roadrunner appears,
does a 'Beep Beep', and it kind of goes back to the silent chase. 

On the original topic (QL Animated), I am happy they decided to make
it 'an animated story' vs. 'I leaped into a toon'. The latter would
DESTROY the credibility of the fictional science they have established
in their universe. 

				John
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From: andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Andrew Hackard)
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Subject: Re: QL: ANIMATED(Coyote)
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:35:01 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

wookiee@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:

[in re Wile E. Coyote, Soooooooper Genius]

>Maybe the one time that he did speak was when Sam leaped into him.  But I
>think the only time the Coyote has spoken were in those Coyote/sheepdog ones at
>the time clock, I don't remember any talking at all in the road runners (except
>when Bugs replaced the road runner.)

You don't remember the one with the kids (talking about Puh-sychology),
where they start to MST the cartoon and Wile E. talks back to them,
complete with visual aids?  Wow, I must be younger than I thought, to
remember that one.  :-)  (I think there's another one, with just films,
but I'm not sure.)

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From: detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio)
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Subject: ST:DS9 on WPIX-TV in NYC
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:37:51 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

The new issue of TV GUIDE for the week ending January 8, 1993
shows the two hour debut episode STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE
airing 8:00 PM January 7, 1992.

There is also some information about the series and some other
new science fiction series in the issue.


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From: jwells@netcom.com (Court Jester)
Subject: Babylon 5 in the Bay Area?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 20:39:28 GMT

Maybe someone already has asked this and I didn't notice.
This Babylon 5 stuff sounds kinda cool--does anyone know
if a station in the East Bay Area will carry it?

(I'm in Dublin, California.)

Thanks!
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From: wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-smof.cts.com!rfletcher@cactus.org (Robert Fletcher)
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Subject: Re: QL in Entertainment Weekly
Date: 26 Dec 1992 10:44:13 -0600
Organization: The SMOF-BBS: Science Fiction Online Since 1985 [512-467-7317]
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

  I was talking about the ranking of shows, I was wondering where Star Trek
sets in the list of top shows and why it is not published more. The local
newpaper prints a list but the list does not show Star Trek.
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From: rider@geloser.login.qc.ca (Serge Ayotte)
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Subject: Space Ranger?????
Date: 26 Dec 92 14:47:18 GMT
Organization: Gentleman Loser System, Montreal/Qc/Cdn

Hiya folks!!

I just saw a commercial for a movie/series(?????) on the CBS affiliates
that we get here in Montreal called Space Ranger.

Anyone as any info about this?? To me, this is the first time that I
hear about this show (unless some of you have already disected it to
death, but it rolled over on my system...).

Thanks all for the info...
Serge Ayotte

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From: person@plains.NoDak.edu (Brett Person)
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Subject: Re: Space Ranger?????
Date: 2 Jan 93 02:37:52 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


I've seen the ads on my local CBS affiliate. Is this a CBS series?
I think the premeire date is Jan.6.
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From: GGPERRY@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (ggreg)
Subject: Re: ST: TNG - Jean-Luc Picard
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:13:33 GMT

once again, another shining example of the logic flaws this show has so
very often.
               ggreg
 
 
 
 
 
 
In article <1992Dec23.004641.15129@donner.SanDiego.NCR.COM>
jeffs@.SanDiego.NCR.COM () writes:
 
>
>I had more trouble believing that the Federation couldn't find more appropriate
>commandoes then the captain of their flagship and his lady doctor (no I don't
>mean ladies can't be commandoes, but crusher doesn't seem to fit the bill).
>After all, Picard's knowledge of theta band waves from the Stargazer certainly
>must have made its way back to the Academy by now and let's face it, Picard is
>not as young as he used to be.
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From: roten@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten)
Subject: The SciFi Channel stinks !! (was: Re: Does SciFi Channel cut episodes????)
Organization: /cuba_b/dirbe/roten/.organization
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:33:56 GMT

In article <1hppprINN96g@transfer.stratus.com> 
jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes:

>In article <C009D3.G93@chinet.chi.il.us> roper@chinet.chi.il.us (Bill  
>Roper) writes:
>> <1992Dec25.180034.4267@news2.cis.umn.edu>
>> <1992Dec28.201347.4980@atlastele.com>
>> Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
>>  
>>  
>> I don't know whether SciFi Channel or USA is using this technology,
>> but there is equipment available that will allow you to shorten the
>> running time of an episode without actually cutting anything.
>>  
>> Basically, they just compress the sound and video so that it can
>> be played in less time (leaving more time for commercials).   
>Obviously,
>> in the case of sound, they have to pitch-shift to avoid having the
>> voices get higher -- remember Alvin and the Chipmunks?

>Frankly, I'm not sure which is worse: missing 1 mintute of an
>episode or seeing the whole episode at the wrong speed.

>The more I hear about the SciFi channel, the more I don't give
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>a damn that my local cable company doesn't carry it.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Mine does.  

I remember when the not-yet out-the-door Sci Fi channel was ballyhooed 
in Usenet News as the greatest thing since sliced bread.  I have perused 
its offerings for a couple of months now.  

Need I say that I am _decidedly_ underwhelmed ?????  

The _ads_ suggest offerings with production values on a level with Star 
Wars or Star Trek (though I must admit that TOS had a few wretchedly 
written episodes .. particularly in the last couple of years).  

But the Sci-Fi Channel seems to have gone to _great_ _lengths_ to 
resurrect every schlock science fiction series ever thought up by the 
cocaine-saturated minds of Hollywood's overpaid TV moguls (only to flop 
like a beached fish a few months later, cancelled) and broadcast it.  MY 
GHOD !!!  We are even being 'treated' to 'Cattlecar Galactica', my 
nomination for the Worst SF Series Of All Time !!!  And 'Loused Up In 
Space', which is a damned close runner up !!!  

Yecccch !!!!  

IMO, 'Sci-Fi Channel' is a hideously accurate name .. in terms of what it 
implies about quality (or lack thereof).  

In short, Jim .. you are not missing _anything_ !!!  

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From: benjy@benjy.cc.vt.edu (Ben E. Cline)
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Subject: Re: The Twonky  on TNT Dec 26 1AM
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:58:03 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <belonis.724907226@dirac> belonis@dirac.phys.washington.edu  
(Jim Belonis) writes:
> The fondly remembered but seldom seen Sci-fi comedy movie from the  
1950's is on
> the TNT cable TV network at 1am December 26 (late Christmas night).
> I have not seen this movie for over 20 years, so my memories may be too
> flattering, but I remember it as a fun time-waster with cheap special  
effects.
> As far as I know, this film is not available on video.
> 
> It stars Hans Conried (also in 5,000 Fingers of Dr. T which is shown
> the same night at 9pm December 25th Christmas).  He is one of the gods  
of
> 50's and 60's and 70's TV comic character-acting.  I think it likely
> that this movie would be good practice for you MST3000 fans.
> 
> spoiler warning  (VERY sketchy plot summary)
> 
> The plot involves an alien that looks like a typical 1950's TV set
> invading Conried's living room by replacing his TV set.

Seems like the movie was based on the Henry Kuttner (if I have the
spelling right) short story.  Can someone confirm and if so, how
close is the movie to the story?

Benjy Cline
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