From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer)
Subject: Re: Loren's Travelguides (was:Female "Wiring")
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 19:05:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.230923.13065@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
   (Sheaffer, quoting de Beauvoir:)
>:     tries to humiliate him as a virile man.... There are women,
>:     sometimes likened to the praying mantis, who wish to  triumph
>:     both by night and by day: they are cold in lovemaking, scornful
>:     in conversation, tyrannical in conduct.
>:
>:Today that sort of behavior is held up as the ideal!  :)
>
>	By whom???

Hey, note the Smiley, friend! 

But actually, the smiley wasn't needed: check out some of the feminist
manifestos in "Sisterhood is Powerful", which are at least as bad.

>
>	Robert Sheaffer, you sound like you are projecting some
>serious personal hangup here. Feminism is _not_ about being a bad
>loser, as you seem to think that feminism is. Are _you_ sure you're
>not a bad loser at anything.
>
>	Why don't you read some of Susie Bright's works; she's a lot
>more fun than Andrea Dworkin :-), and she's not a bad loser :-):-)
>
>	I'm sure you can find her works at Cody's Books or some other
>big bookstore (I don't know much about San Jose bookstores because I
>don't go there very often).

I'm sure I can find them if I take the trouble to. The problem with
you, Loren, is that you seem to think that every time Loren mentions
a book, Robert is morally obligated to jump on the Politcally Correct
Collective Transport and go up to San Francisco or whatever and buy it.
>
>	You have complained that it takes you _so_ long to get to San
>Francisco or Berkeley. I will inform you of ways to make getting there
>a _lot_ easier, though you will have to ride some Politically Correct
>Collective Transport. But some forms of PCCT are comfortable enough
>	To San Francisco:
>
>	You go to downtown San Jose and drive westward on San Fernando
>or San Carlos St. until you come to some railroad tracks and an old

>	To Berkeley:
>
>	You go northward on I-880, and turn off eastward [right] at
>Mowry St.  in Fremont. You go several blocks to Civic Center Dr., then

Here we go again. Thanks, pal, I *know* how to get to San Francisco. In
fact, I was there just a few evenings ago, to visit a friend. But I
drove my car up. (Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!)

"Sisterhood Is Powerful" is filled with some of the most vile and extreme
invective against men I have ever seen. It was compiled about 20 years
ago, but is still widely read. Its editor is Robin Morgan, the current
editor of the "reasonable" Ms. magazine. You can buy a copy at the Stanford U.
Bookstore. Get in your car, and drive from Livermore to the Dumbarton
Bridge. Once you cross the Bay, drive south one exit on Freeway 101,
then follow University Ave. directly into Stanford. Drive toward the
Politically Very Incorrect Hoover Tower. At that point I generally get
lost, so ask somebody how to get from there to the bookstore.

-- 
  
        Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
  
 Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!

       "Beware when the great God lets loose a thinker on this planet.
        Then all things are at risk. It is as when a conflagration has
        broken out in a great city, and no man knows what is safe, or
        where it will end."
                               - Emerson: Essay, "Circles"