HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: a girl in McDonalds
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:31:48 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre
Originator: netnews@uts.mcc.ac.uk

In article <1992Aug14.101653.15768@bnr.uk> datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:

>I _was_ going to book a week off work, load up my bike and head for Europe (:))

At least you've GOT a bike.  My wife 'convinced' me it made sense to sell 
mine and get a car.  NO WAY can you rub your knee on the tarmac in a tight 
bend in a car.  NO WAY can you average 60 over 20 miles of country lanes and 
villages.  NO WAY can you get it airborne on 'repaired' manholes.  NO WAY 
can you pick up women without even trying....I think that's why she wanted 
me to sell it.

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Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: tcarsten@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Teresa C D Carstensen)
Subject: Re: fat smelly boyfriend
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:45:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.172907.14011@utkux1.utk.edu> kovarik@utkux1.utk.edu (SaintMeechTheChaste) writes:
>Another observation.... I know a few very bright women, and they prefer
>to date stupid guys, and will even admit it.   The reason for it is that
>in their work environments which are often male dominated, they feel
>they must constantly keep on asserting themselves.  So when it comes down
>to a personal relationship, they want one in which they feel secure,
>where they have no self-doubt inspired by any sort of intellectual
>competition with their SOs. 

I wouldn't exactly call it self-doubt.  It's more like aggravation.  I've found 
that a lot of times, even when a man claims that he wants to be with a woman who
is his intellectual equal, he feels threatened by the woman's intelligence. For 
example, one of my ex-boyfriends would never, ever concede that I was right  
about anything when we were having intellectual arguments.  He was afraid that  
if I was ever right about anything, then he would be wrong and therefore look  
stupid.  Who wants to be with a guy who would rather put down your intellectual 
capabilities than admit that maybe, just maybe, he isn't right *all* the time? 
Thank god not all smart guys are like that, but unfortunately there are plenty  
who are.  

> And they want someone who is easy to impress
>so that they don't even have to try.  

Who doesn't?

> This is not all the bright women
>I know, but I do have a few case histories of this sort.....
>
>						Meech



TC  
-- 
tcarsten@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: First Time
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 07:49:57 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Keywords: Trivial angst

dh@fncrd7.fnal.gov (don husby) writes:

> ObAngst.trivial.1:
>   I have no idea what the OB before angst means, but when in

Obligatory. As in, when making a post to alt.angst, make sure it has at least
some of the obligatory angst content in it. It's a common Net-ism, not just
this group.

(sheesh! When did I mellow out and start getting nice to the newbies?!)

> course, is impossible.  The Dan-Quayle group and alt.activism alone 
> have enough posts per day to use up the amount of (guilt free) company
> time that I can spend on usenet.  Of course I suppose I could use my 
> own time.
> Nah.

You'll learn. Soon you'll just spend the occasional lunch break at it. Then
the odd half-hour after work to catch up on rec.arts.sf.something. Before you
know it you have a dedicated Un*x box at home with a UUCP feed so you can
spend all your time reading news and posting replies.

						- k
-- 
Craig Harding            kilroy@acme.gen.nz             ACME BBS +64 63 3551342
"Jub'f Xvob?"
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: kovarik@utkux1.utk.edu (SaintMeechTheChaste)
Subject: Re: National Lab Syndrome 
Keywords: fat fat fat smelly smelly (perhaps grotesquely rotund, spheroid)
Organization: University of Tennessee Oil and Lube Center
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 16:18:03 GMT

In article <r!8mam_@lynx.unm.edu> jennyb@triton.unm.edu (Jenny Ballmann) writes:
>In article <1992Aug15.183152.9348@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug14.185247.22624@utkux1.utk.edu> kovarik@utkux1.utk.edu (SaintMeechTheChaste) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug13.161152.17612@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>>>>In article <1992Aug12.173356.24284@utkux1.utk.edu> kovarik@utkux1.utk.edu (SaintMeechTheChaste) writes:
>>

[Some of my stuff and Gary. L.  Schroeder's trimmed for brevity]

>>Say, you wouldn't happen to be talking about ORNL, now would you?  This
>>sounds way too much like being at Brookhaven.
>>
>Or Los Alamos.  I'm mostly lurking, but to all the angsters:  Is there
>an angst reality completely disjoint from "normal" life?
>

Perhaps we should have a contest to decided whose Govt. Lab is really the
worst!!  Set up sort of an exchange program in which each of us could visit
the workplace and community of the others (perhaps at govt. expense-- 
do I hear any invitations to give talks?).  Tours could be arranged.
Redneck bars visited.  Radioactive dumpsites explored.  And we could rate
these places for these various characteristics, and produce a cumulative
score.  Then we would know definitively who really lives and works
in Hell.  And I still believe it would turn out to be me!!!!

>Jenny, convinced that depression is merely clear assessment

Yeah, we spend most of our lives looking for a drug, or at least
a placebo, to deflect our thoughts from this awful truth.   I am convinced
that the only times I am not in such a state is when I am artificially
forced out of it, distracted so to speak by transient events which occur
just often enough to convince me not to migrate to alt.suicide.holiday.

>-- 
>"Feet disgust me.  I would've cut mine off, except that I like kicking things."
>-R. Hep (nj)

Then you'd have absolutely no chance of winning the 100 metre dash at 
the Olympics.

						Meech

Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Subject: Re: fat smelly boyfriend
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 01:15:18 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Reply-To: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit)

llama@pooh.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes:

> i have no clue why i'm posting all this, btw, in case anyone was
> wondering. but there it is. wheeee. thud.

Don't worry, it's a common theme, lots of us do this. For some reason there's
something reassuringly confessional about discussing your private thoughts
with ten or twenty thousand complete strangers.

						- k
-- 
Craig Harding            kilroy@acme.gen.nz             ACME BBS +64 63 3551342
"Jub'f Xvob?"
From: ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org (Lance Franklin)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: France (Re: a girl in McDonalds
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:08:49 GMT
Organization: NC Microproducts, Inc.

In article <zlsiida.115@fs1.mcc.ac.uk> zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:
}In article <1992Aug17.004519.1159@cs.aukuni.ac.nz> adem1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Adam Edward         Demeter        ) writes:
}
}>and am Manically depressed, I feel pain when people say 'France' 'Paris' &
}>'French'
}
}Sylvie.   Fontainbleau.   A single line of dark hairs all down her spine.
}Why'd you have to mention France you b-----d?

Perhaps because causing Angst in others makes one's own Angst somewhat
more bearable, albeit for a painfully short time.

Oh, by the way....Madame Pompadour's Gardens.




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From: rsholmes@rodan.syr.EDU (Rich Holmes)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: National Lab Syndrome
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:55:45 GMT
	<1992Aug17.191307.24056@utkux1.utk.edu> <959mgwn@lynx.unm.edu>
	<1992Aug18.125813.11827@bnlux1.bnl.gov>
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
In-reply-to: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov's message of Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:58:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.125813.11827@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:

>Sure.  Where else could the government buy vast areas of land for a
>nickel in the 40's?  Answer: Godforsaken Wilderness Areas.  Although,
>due to national security considerations, they never gave the future
>mental well-being of their imported employees much thought.  :(

Or (adjusting that nickel for inflation) in the 1990s? Two words:
Waxahachie, Texas. Any questions?

--
- Rich Holmes
  Just back from Los Alamos
  Heading for Stanford
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: machala@delphi.hc.ti.com (Chuck Machala )
Subject: Re: After Death Mints
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:27:19 GMT

ABienek@acorn.co.uk (Alex Bienek) writes:

>In article <1992Aug15.075115.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fsdhp@acad3.alaska.edu writes:

>>Shortly after you die ...
>>       - You'll be forgotten.
>>       - Will be the time historians agree the world/population/animals turned
>>         a corner into a new era of happiness, harmony and prosperity.
>>       - Safe legal drugs will flood the world.
>>       - An unpopular idea of yours will be shown to be absolutely correct or
>>         become conventional wisdom.
>>       - Practical immortality will be demonstrated, coming into the range of
>>         the masses only a decade or so later.

>This is all probably true, especially the bit about immortality. Extreme life
>extension (several thousand years) could well be possible within the next
>century or so. We could be one of the last mortal generations, how is that
>for a depressing thought. After all those millennia of human development,
>having to live their lives always in the shadow of an imminent demise, we
>should fall short of virtual immortality by a few lousy decades.

>Ah well, at least we can be comforted by the thought that, assuming there is 
>no life after death, our moment of death and the end of the Universe will
>effectively be one and the same point in time, from our perspective, and hence
>those remaining will not have time to enjoy their immortality.

>Alex.
> 

So you want a few thousand more years of angst? Wow! I'm impressed. Just think
what it would be like living with billions and billions of other virtual 
immortals. The single _biggest_ problem facing the world as a whole is over-
population. And you would like to end the only possible remedy for this
problem?! 
--
                                 ROMANES
                                 EUNT 
                                 DOMUS
Chuck Machala - Semiconductor Process and Design Center - Texas Instruments
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: France (Re: a girl in McDonalds
Date: 17 Aug 92 08:46:54 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre
Originator: netnews@uts.mcc.ac.uk

In article <1992Aug17.004519.1159@cs.aukuni.ac.nz> adem1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Adam Edward         Demeter        ) writes:

>and am Manically depressed, I feel pain when people say 'France' 'Paris' &
>'French'

Sylvie.   Fontainbleau.   A single line of dark hairs all down her spine.
Why'd you have to mention France you b-----d?

ProBah++ v1.0

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Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: kovarik@utkux1.utk.edu (SaintMeechTheChaste)
Subject: Re: fat smelly boyfriend
Keywords: fat fat fat smelly smelly (perhaps grotesquely rotund, spheroid)
Organization: University of Tennessee (Barbie and Ken Country)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:33:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.180759.10380@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins) writes:
>
>i'm tall, smart, and i do have big boobs. it doesn't make a difference. the
>smart part scares 'em every time....
>
>bah.
>

This is something I don't understand.  It happens, and it's totally weird.
I have this female friend who is very intelligent, who just got a Master's
degree in an engineering field.  She's physically attractive, and not just
bright, but when she tries to meet men, they seem to go out of their way 
to ignore her.  If she goes to a "meat market" no one will hit on her, even
though that is sort of what she wants (maybe to build her self-confidence--
I dunno).  How do guys spot her as a non-bimbo without even speaking to
her, I dunno.  But it happens, and it makes her mad.  

Personally, I am attracted to intelligence.  In this Land O Barbie dolls
that is a rare commodity.

Rachel, the intelligence thing can work both ways....  Here in TN, I 
get the feeling that if you aren't a "jock"-type guy, women will not be
interested in you.   Brains is out.  Money might be in as a pheromone
to attract members of the opposite sex.  But it is more the appearance
of money, rather than actual substance that is actually at work.  The
typical TN male peacock will be dirt poor, but drive a 30,000 dollar,
flaming orange, racing-striped, souped-up pickup truck with rollbars
and oversized wheels, and live in a trailer or tar-paper shack, and
he will attract more women than an engineer, or Ph.D., or M.D. or lawyer.  
Flamboyance is in, substance is out.

					Meech
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: fat smelly boyfriend
Keywords: fat fat fat smelly smelly
Date: 16 Aug 92 22:36:19 GMT
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA

In article <1992Aug14.131049.7393@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.134514.19306@linus.mitre.org> sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes:
>>>Gee, I know some tall, smart women who don't have "big boobs" and
>>>they're with some pretty nice guys.  One of them is even engaged to
>>>married to one particularly smart, athletic, Nice Guy.
>>
>>Nownownownow waitaminnit.....You capitalized that. Do REALLY mean Nice Guy(tm) or
>>he's just a nice guy? If so, then this kind of flys in the face of the known
>>laws of physics doesn't it? I mean Nice Guys are only supposed to angst away
>>as to why jerks get all the girls and continue to be surrounded by female
>>friends who think of him as being "just like a brother". I've never heard of
>>this happening before. Its kind of like proving a new weird particle actually does
>>exist in the lab as opposed to just in theory...
>
>
>But, I assure you it's true.  It can happen.  He is a Nice Guy and she;s
>a Nice Girl/Woman.  They work out so well together that it makes me
>sick.

Wow!...Cool!. I am truly impressed. But does this mean that you have to be 
all FluffySweetWarmNSticky in order for it to work? Or can it happen to your
average delta?

The reason I ask is that my brother is married to a Nice Girl(although he is not
a Nice Guy(tm) ) and they are disgustingly cute and sweet and constantly cooing
at each other and everything and its really sickening, I raid my friend Cindy's
insulin stash for a few cc's everytime I go over and see him because of this.
While I would agree this is technically an example, I don't really consider it
valid, because they are both Alphas.....


---Steve
-- 
Stephen Okay  sokay@mitre.org
"Welcome to the Politically Correct States of America. Please turn your mind
in to the nearest oppressed minority pressure group. It will be returned to
you once we've decided what you can think"
From: nexus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Arseny Nikolaev Markov)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: fat smelly boyfriend
Date: 14 Aug 1992 22:08:49 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins) writes:

>In article <1992Aug14.135828.27350@linus.mitre.org> sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug14.011744.25705@beaver.cs.washington.edu> boesch@cs.washington.edu (Eric Boesch) writes:
>>>jethro@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mary Ellen Paul) writes:
>>>[well, never mind the formalities.  Let's get to the meat of this.]
>>>>I'm tall, smart, and don't have big boobs.
>>>
>>>These are grave problems, but they all have the same solution.  As my
>>>mother always said, "A lemming that dreams of flying like an eagle
>>>just ends up plummeting to a horrible, grisly death."
>>"You can soar with the Eagles but a Weasel will never get sucked into a 
>>jet engine"
>>[And on and on for about 30 or so lines...]
>>
>>Can you say "flame bait" ?


>yes, i can, and that's precisely why i am ignoring it. give a twit like that
>attention, and you make his day.

Pardon me, Rachel but he had his day already made. Did you just want to
add to the fun? In fact you didn't ignore the "twit". Or was that a
personal conversation between you and Steven? Sorry for breaking in then
I misunderstood again. You know, in my home country they don't really
measure IQ, they look at how tall you are... So, as you can guess I was
not considered very smart. But I'll try to grow some boobs...

>pathetic, isn't it?



On whom?

>bah.

abh? (angst besides habits)...

>--
>		-just give me what for,

-always.

>	rachel perkins =  rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu
>      "Chastity..the most unnatural of all the sexual perversions...."
>					-Aldous Huxley

the NEXUS
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Re: fat smelly boyfriend
Keywords: fat fat fat smelly smelly
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:45:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.130443.13596@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>>I'm tall, smart, and don't have big boobs.  If I dump him, I'll
>>never have another date my whole life.  Let's see, should I be
>>nauseous with him, or lonely without him  . . . . .
>
>Gee, I know some tall, smart women who don't have "big boobs" and
>they're with some pretty nice guys.  One of them is even engaged to
>married to one particularly smart, athletic, Nice Guy.

Nownownownow waitaminnit.....You capitalized that. Do REALLY mean Nice Guy(tm) or
he's just a nice guy? If so, then this kind of flys in the face of the known
laws of physics doesn't it? I mean Nice Guys are only supposed to angst away
as to why jerks get all the girls and continue to be surrounded by female
friends who think of him as being "just like a brother". I've never heard of
this happening before. Its kind of like proving a new weird particle actually does
exist in the lab as opposed to just in theory...

I'm confused....

---Steve
-- 
Stephen Okay  sokay@mitre.org
"Welcome to the Politically Correct States of America. Please turn your mind
in to the nearest oppressed minority pressure group. It will be returned to
you once we've decided what you can think"
From: Bruce.Tindall@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bruce Tindall)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Rebel without a grant (was fat, smelly)
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:09:52 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <RSHOLMES.92Aug19123132@rodan.syr.EDU> rsholmes@rodan.syr.EDU (Rich Holmes) writes:
>Eh? You're complaining about getting 1.06 pints for the price of 1?
>
>Liters are BIGGER than quarts, son.

BZZZT.  Liters are bigger than AMERICAN quarts.  Liters are smaller than
IMPERIAL (British, viz. Pommie) quarts.  

This discrepancy explains why so many American readers of Orwell's "1984"
get confused at (or misinterpret) the scene where Winston Smith chats in
a pub with an old prole who complains that the new regime's "half liter"
is smaller than the old fashioned "pint" of beer he used to drink.


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From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Closed restrooms as a symptom of the decline of Western Civilization
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:29:17 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

: 
: Yeh. I was in NYC not so long ago when they were just installing these
blah blah 
: news here too, pushing lesser stories like wars into second place.
blah blah 
: ObAngst1: Campaign '92, nuff said ?
: 
: ObAngst2: Only rained twice this week, Saturday thru' Tuesday,
:           Wednesday thru' Friday. Sorry Rach !
: 
: Alex.

I think you're exaggerating a tad on the old rainfront, old fruit.  Either that
or you live in Manchester. :)

The loos are called Superloos and are of French origin.  I _love_ the piped
muzak in them.  I've been to one in Paris, Calais, Le Mans, London(Planetarium)
and, I think, Southampton.  So interesting!  :|


Nick    DoD 1069
From: mak@spuddy.uucp (Mark Kellaway)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Angst comparison (was Re: money angst)
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:18:39 GMT
Organization: Spuddy's Public Usenet Domain

In article <1992Aug18.130234.12025@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>In article <77863@ut-emx.uucp> llama@pooh.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes:
>>
>>hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:
>>
>>: Interesting....of late, I had been thinking to myself that it's been a long
>>: time since I've felt...well, I guess 'involved'.  I've got a good job which
>>: I enjoy, etc. etc. etc., but I don't have any thrills in my life.  
>
>>i felt like that about three years ago. i was 25, just finishing my
>>degree, married to a boring person, living a yuppie kinda life...
>>lotsa stuff, but nothing that was really interesting or pulled me out
>>of myself.
>
>
>What the hell is it about being 25 that causes this!?!?!
>Post-college/real-job Trauma Stress Syndrome?  I'm 25 and I've got it,
>too. 
>
hey I'm 29 and I've still got it bad. You're right though it did set in at
about 25, guess its kind of a shock starting work in the Real World(tm) after
dropping out of an academic life. At least you could kid yourself you were
contributing to the sum total of human knowledge, out here in the wasteland
your just an extremely small cog in a big wheel that goes round and round
and never gets anywhere
>
>
>>so i got divorced, moved to a completely new town where i knew no one,
>>and did a lot of things i'd never even considered before. some of them
>>were pretty dumb, and i've had some really shitty times <and sometimes
>>it feels like i'm still kinda on the edge of reality>, but i've had a
>>lot of times where i've been walking along, going to do whatever, and
>>sudddenly been so incredibly happy with the world i didn't know if i
>>was big enough to hold it all, if that makes snnse.
>
>
>I've been seriously considering your "Lifequake Theory" for the last few
>months now.  Maybe I should just jump.
>
go ahead I might even work up the courage some day and do it myself.

mak
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Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: a girl in McDonalds
From: feinstei@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:50:49 -0800
 <1992Aug16.142223.2074@samba.oit.unc.edu> <1992Aug16.183836.26348@utkux1.utk.edu>
Organization: Sonoma State University

In article <1992Aug16.183836.26348@utkux1.utk.edu>, kovarik@utkux1.utk.edu (SaintMeechTheChaste) writes:
> Hey, I've done this, and it has worked. I have also had waitresses ask
> me out. And have gone out with them. I still have angst.  There is no cure.
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Call me a Californian, but aren't these affirmations? 

Josh
feinstei@sonoma.edu