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From: bjb@macsch.com (Bryan J. Blumberg)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Mail Order Bookstore
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:01:33 GMT
Organization: Systems Integration Branch
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2

In article  jill holly hansen, jill@quads.uchicago.edu writes:

>I would *really* appreciate any names of mail order
>firms that specialize in bi and lesbian books
>
>Jill

Dear Jill,

Try contacting these two fine businesses.  Alyson has a mail order
catalog.  A Different Light, with retail stores in NY, SF & West
Hollywood, will ship anywhere.  Call their 800 number.

Alyson Publications
Phone:  (617) 542-5679

Different Light, A, New York
548 Hudson Street
New York, NY   10014
Phone:  (800) 343-4002
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc
From: buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: NEWSWEEK POLL: Plurality of Americans support GAY RIGHTS
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:33:28 GMT

johne@or.credence.com (John Ewing) writes:
>>
>>Should homosexuals have equal rights under the law?
>>78% YES
>>17% NO
>>
>>---
>>RON BUCKMIRE
>>Fundraising Committee for the Procurement of a mesh tank-top for LL Cool J
>>11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735
>>uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910

>WRONG !!!

>A "plurality" (whatever that is) of Americans support EQUAL RIGHTS for gays
>under the law !!!                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^
So what's your point? :-)

>John Ewing (johne@or.credence.com)
-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ***Clinton-Gore '92***
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"In any battle for freedom of identity there can be no distinction between the
 private and the political." --David Leavitt's _Family Dancing_
From: jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: San Diego BSA recent action
Date: 11 Sep 92 06:11:12 GMT
Organization: -

[The following is from the front page of September 9 San Diego
Union-Tribune.  Local TV news was also quite supportive.  One station
used it as its lead story.  For some reason the local edition of the
LA Times carried only a short article on the weather page.

Jim]

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                      Boy Scouts: No Gay Leader
                     Explorers drop popular cop
          Local leaders reject help from homosexual officer

The Boy Scouts of America's local council has asked the El Cajon
police officer who served as adviser to his department's Explorers
program to sever his ties with scouting because he is gay.

El Cajon Police Chief Jack Smith said the council's decision to
suspend Officer Chuck Merino was "extremely uncalled-for and very
unfortunate."

"It is certainly something we can't tolerate," Smith said.

Smith says Scouting officials should let police chiefs decide who from
their departments should advise their Explorer scouting programs,
adding that he intends to seek support for that position - and
indirectly for Merino - at an upcoming meeting of the county's chief
law-enforcement officers.

Smith described Merino, who has worked with the department's Explorer
program for five years, as "superb, just superb," while Merino's
colleagues said he is one of their best.

Merino says he publicly declared his sexual orientation several months
ago at a community meeting in Hillcrest held to discuss hate crimes
against gays.  He thinks word of that meeting traveled back to local
Scouting officials.

Merino, 37, said he could hardly believe his eyes when he saw the
letter from the Boy Scouts in his office after coming in on vacation
time to take care of some Scouting-related paperwork.

"It came as a shock and great disappointment," he said yesterday. 
"I'm preparing a response now that asks why I no longer fit their
'acceptable standards.'  I'd like to know what exactly has changed."

[Comments from BSA and descriptions of Explorer program omitted.]

Merino also was co-chairman of a Hillcrest and North Park citizens
patrol that helped San Diego police after a series of assaults against
gays in those areas last year.  The group's work and Merino's
leadership at the time was lauded by San Diego city officials and
Police Chief Bob Burgreen.

"It would not have happened without (Merino's) work," said Norm
Stamper, San Diego's executive assistant police chief.  "He's and
excellent officer."

Burgreen vowed yesterday to support Smith's efforts on Merino's
behalf.

"I think Chief Smith's doing what he has to do to back his people," 
Burgreen said.  "Exploring is a great program, and I don't think we
can let the Boy Scouts of America dictate how we run our police
departments.

[Discussion of other similar incidents with the Boy Scouts and
pressure on the local United Way to discontinue funding of BSA
omitted.]
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From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: H. Brian bashing (was Re: accordion bashing)
Originator: jns@rac3.wam.umd.edu
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 07:22:12 GMT


Roger Phillips (roger@quantime.co.uk), demonstrating
that he is the un-musical one, whines:

> jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer, the musical one) bellows:
> >
> > I wouldn't be at all surprised if Brian had
> > used it a time or two also--but we don't hear
> > much of him *over* *here* [huh, Rog?].
> 
> I'll try to remember to ask the secretary of the Havergal Brian Society
> when I see him for lunch on Tuesday.

Since, presumably, the luncheon will last
until Wednesday morning, we won't expect
an immediate report.

--jns
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: trivia
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:40:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.002215.15902@news.Hawaii.Edu> johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.044900.10553@nmt.edu> jefu@nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam) writes:
>>
>>Later on he sings "here is Grover Waylon unveilin the trilon",  huh?
>>Who is Grover Waylon and what is a trilon?
>
>Grover Whalen was president and chief huckster of the 1939 World's
>Fair, the symbol of which was the Trylon and Perisphere.  The Trylon
>was the three-sided obelisk which towered over the Perisphere (into
>which one could walk inside and see a panorama of the city of the
>future, Democracity).

And, I forgot to mention, the pointy-dick-and-one-nut motif was a grim
presage to Hitler's coming reign of terror.

--John
-- 
John Flanagan                          ||"Pretty boys
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu           || with the sunshine faces
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| <mumble mumble>..."
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822    ||            -- My Bloody Valentine
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks)
Subject: Re: NEWSWEEK POLL: Plurality of Americans support GAY RIGHTS
Organization: Not yet, but we're working on it...
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 18:35:40 GMT

In article <BuIswu.6qy@world.std.com>, entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence C Foard) writes:
>In article <1992Sep13.004203.25260@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>Many of us disgusted by this took to collecting those little fly-out
>>cards that proliferate in every issue, explaining our opinions clearly
>>in broad-tipped marker, and sending them back -- Business Reply
>>postage already paid, you see.  We also mentioned that we wouldn't be
>>subscribing till they deigned to notice us.
>>
>>Apparently they have, rather.
>
>Where do we write them to thank them for finally noticing that queers
>exist? I'm sure they have already heard from the fundies who gave birth
>to cows after reading it.


No no no nononono. Fundies give birth to *people*.  They become 
mindless grazing herd animals after years of training.  Isn't it
interesting, though, that cows have hooves, horns, and a tail?
Who else has these three things, Hmmmm? Could it be......

*SAY-Tan?!*


Shawn
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: cal@ee.ryerson.ca (Calvin Henry-Cotnam)
Subject: Re: sunglasses and hats
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute, Toronto
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 02:35:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.171155.21123@nevada.edu> balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.035722.4325@wam.umd.edu>, jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
>
>
>>Okay, so are there any other closet sun-sneezers
>>out there?  Aside from bright sunlight hurting my
>>eyes, the constant bouts of sneezing I find
>>unnerving.
>
>Yes! Gosh, I'm not alone.  Every sunny morning (which is almost every
>single morning here) I walk out the door and sneeze.  Many times
>after leaving the movie theatre I sneeze.  I'm allergic to the sun. 
>

This is not an allergy.  There is actually an official (I think Latin)
name for this.  I heard it for the first time on a television show
while flipping through the dial.  Unfortunately, I did not write it
down, as it is very long consisting of words describing it.

It is genetic.  It is caused when one goes from being inside to
going outside in bright sunlight, and usually requires the individual
to actually look up towards the sun.  More sensitive people don't even
have to do this.  The official name is therefore derrived from
the following:  genetic, sun, involuntary sneeze.

I can't exactly remember the percentages, but the number of people
that are affected by this is somewhat significant.

I do recall that the TV show was "Wonderstruck".  It is an educational
science program that was produced here in Canada by the CBC, but is
currently being shown on YTV (a cable network up here).

Calvin Henry-Cotnam, CATE            |    MY CANADA INCLUDES CANADIANS!
Ryerson Polytechnical Institute      | I would really like this to include
Toronto, Ontario, Canada             | Quebec - but I won't hold my breath.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: "Methodists ban gay 'marriage'"
Followup-To: soc.motss
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 16:21:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.204907.15301@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>I wrote:
>> [Yes, this is world distribution.  It's good news, and you can get the
>>  _Chicago Tribune_ outside the USA too.]
>
>In a somewhat depressing counterbalance to this, today's Trib also has
>an article from the Religious News Service explaining how
>
>     United Methodist pastors in Indiana have been told to refrain
>     from ceremonies involving homosexuals that "resemble the rite
>     of marriage"...
>
>... apparently, some poor Hoosier Methodists got upset after a gay male
>couple exchanged rings in church, in a July ceremony in Indianapolis.
>
>Some 'phobe minister whose name I won't bother to type complained that
>the bishop's action was taken not "out of acknowledgment of the standards
>of the church...but in light of some anguish."  My heart bleeds.
>

I'm a participant in a Methodist church that has performed
same-sex coventant cerimonies. We did a educational program on the
subject a year or two back. It seems that there is no denomination-wide
judicial preceident against gay union cerimonies, but if a bishop chooses
to make it an issue they can do so -- and there have been two or three
prior cases of this.  Word of mouth suggests that a number of pastors
perform such cerimonies, though not always with the full support of their
congregations.

In our case, we decided to support our pastors in this but not to go
out of our way to make it a public issue -- we did make it a critera
in our search for a new pastor that they be willing to perform such
cerimonies.

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
 alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: World's First Known Bottom Found in Alps
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 02:31:16 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca

In article <1992Sep11.022358.18517@syacus.acus.oz.au>  
brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies) writes:
> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
> 
> >>>"The tight-assed Tyrolean scholars were very uncomfortable even  
having
> >>>to acknowledge it," _Lambda_ said, "but Otzi is the first known  
homosexual
> >>>man that enjoyed being fucked. ...Otzi was the passive partner--of  
this
> >>>there is absolutely no doubt...The sperm has been carbon-dated."
> 
> >Unfortunately, the whole thing is a hoax
> 
> Aw, DAMN.  Damn DAMN *DAMN*!  I was so completely *transported* by this
> story that I *dreamed* about it last night.
> 
> Pout.

I know what you mean; the story had unprecedented power to evoke some  
powerful feelings in me. I went out that night with a strangely warm and  
fuzzy feeling that was accompanied by fantasies about the day before the  
poor sod got flash-frozen. 

Reflecting upon this, it seemed to me that this was because gay people  
have so few concrete links with the past; sure, we have stories of the  
aincient Greeks, but that seems so distant and austere. Never before has  
there been such a visceral reminder that men have been getting fucked    
for thousands, if not millions of years. 

(Yes, FUCKED, roll that word around in your head and feel the sound, feel  
that tension between the warm, smothering, sibilant F and the hard slap  
created by the last five letters all bunched up in a tight knot - feels  
kind of nice, doesn't it? One of the best words in the language.)

Regardless of whether the story is true or not, fucking has been going on  
since long before recorded history, right back to the time of those short,  
furry, not-so-smart Neanderthals and beyond. No doubt, they didn't worry  
about all the negatives we have today, like HIV, other STD's, the law, the  
closet, the guilt trip society puts us through; they probably just fucked  
and had a great time of it. The Otzi hoax is but a pleasant reminder...

-Anthony
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: sunglasses and hats
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:27:02 GMT

lile@netcom.com (Lile Elam) writes:
: 
: I think sneezing caused by the sun must be really
: cool. I mean, I feel that sneezing is a sign of getting
: healthy. :)
: 
Yup. I always feel great after a multiple sneezing binge. It's also
therapeutic if you suffer sinus headaches.

Kathy
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elliott@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jr. Frank W. Elliott)
Subject: Re: To Laura
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:45:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.174347.4760@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith) writes:
>  >>Hell, any movement as perfect as that should be able to rule the 
>  >>fucking world.
> >You mean we don't?  What the hell are all these effing pods good for,
> >then?
>
>They're delicious steamed very briefly and then tossed with a
>balsamic vinaigrette.
>
>Mara [salivating]
>-- 
>
>  Mara Chibnik
>  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Straight Stereotypes (was Re: To Laura)
Date: 10 Sep 1992 02:25:56 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Sep10.010740.18151@microsoft.com> 
bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

> Why should gays engage in practiced, deliberate behavior 
> that plays right into the hands' of straight stereotypes?

Hmmmm.  I don't know.  Why *should* gay men engage in practiced,
deliberate behavior (oh, think of cigars, beer kegs, potato
chips, a rowdy poker game) that is stereotypically straight?
That is what "plays right into the hands' of straight stereotypes"
means, isn't it?  (Hands'?)  Or are you asking why gay men would 
engage in practiced, deliberate behavior that happens to bother 
straight men who are stereotypically straight (who, therefore,
engage in practiced, deliberate behavior)?

Arne


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: clc@nevada.edu (Chris L. Cobb)
Subject: Re: boobs
Organization: UCCSNCS
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:30:35 GMT

amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>while we're on the subject, would it be possible to concoct a
>reasonable Breast Tour of North America?  the Grand Tetons, of course,
>and The Nipples, east of barstow, ca.  anything else?

There's Molly's Nipple near Bryce Canyon in southern Utah.

Then there's all of the fabulous monuments to Mormon manhood
scattered throughout the state.  Of course, they call them
churches and temples but those erect spires remind of a few
Mormon boys I had the pleasure of in high school.  ;-)

---
Chris L. Cobb -- clc@nevada.edu -- B0 f t+ w c+ g k+ s++ p
From: laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: move to canada, eh?
Date: 7 Sep 92 11:41:50 GMT
Reply-To: laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton)
Distribution: na
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco

I don't know whether this matters, Michelle, but there are a fair number
of Canadians who have moved to the US who will fight against Gay
discrimination where ever we find it.  The tide is not one-way.
The number of people from other countries who want to live in
San Francisco is **enormous**.  And I'm doing it.

Very happily yours  as I live here,
Canadian-with-a-Green-Card,
Laura

-- 
	C unions never strike; they only work to rule.

Laura Creighton 
toad@toad.com
hoptoad!laura
From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: misogyny (previous subject line deleted)
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:21:14 GMT
 <72201@apple.Apple.COM> <1992Sep9.210000.3607@panix.com>
Organization: University of Maine System

and, of course, that leaves the question of why ANYONE would
have penis envy...  revolting little things...

(yes, my account lives - for the moment)
                                           -ailsa
From: rcw@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Robert White)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Straight Stereotypes (was Re: To Laura)
Date: 13 Sep 92 04:56:53 GMT
Organization: The WhiteStar Corporation

In article <1992Sep11.010331.4896@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

}If there were a TV show that featured a gay character, and the individual
}was written into the script to be nelly, campy, etc. the gay community
}would react in protest, saying that the show "furthered negative
}stereotypes and fueld homophobia".  

The objection would be against painting us with a single brush, 
or with the popular stereotype.  This practice denies the diversity among 
GLBO* people.  It also deludes viewers into a rather narrow conceptualization
of gay men, bisexuals and lesbians (who do not
seem to exist at all from the TV's point of view).

The fact is, we're everywhere from the prisons 
to the papacy.  It's important to get this message across, and to
protest the media whenever tunnel vision sets in.  This is definitely not
to say that the particular "behavior" of the actor or actress is 
in question - definitely not.  It's when this depiction becomes cartoonish,
trite, and  belittling that we object, and rightly so.

Conversely, if we were to "hide the queens" as you apparently suggest,
and manufacture some "macho" image incongruent with a
part of us, then the same argument would apply.

-- 
  [   Robert Carleton White, Jr.                      rcw@scicom.alphacdc.com]
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: _Chicago Tribune_'s gay parenting series
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:40:35 GMT

 [Yes, this is world distribution.  It's good news, and you can get the
  _Chicago Tribune_ outside the USA too.]

Jean Latz Griffin, who's been sneaking friendly articles on us queers
into the Trib for years, must have finally talked her corporate masters
into allowing some real in-depth coverage -- three articles over two
days (3 September and 4 September), in the "Tempo" features section.

Yesterday's Tempo had two long articles, one on G/L parents and the
other on their children; today's has a lengthy piece titled "Law
begins to address rise in gay families."  The articles yesterday were
quite positive, and balanced coverage of gay _and_ lesbian couples;
adopted, inseminated, and pre-existing children; and the perspectives
of both parents and children.  Today's (which I haven't read yet)
quotes Lambda's Paula Ettelbrick, among others, on "antiquated family
law systems."

I'm pleased.

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            elle@midway.uchicago.edu
  "These people are the harbingers of the next norm for families -- people
   connected to each other because they love each other, a 'new innovation'
   if ever there were one."  --Frank Maloney (frankm@microsoft.uucp)
Organization: Office of the Provost, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:55:15 -0400 
From: David Jason Kyle <dk24+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: University of Rochester?
	<18nimiINNc00@agate.berkeley.edu>

Gentle Readers:

any queer folks out there from UofR who're willing to drop me a line to
help me track down a friend of mine up there?

I would greatly appreciate any help y'all you give me...

thanks much!

-= d v r s (dk24@andrew.cmu.edu)
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Harrassing Phone Calls Can Stop NOW!
Date: 9 Sep 92 04:32:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.42543
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <12161@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>                           and the results will be unpleasant.

Did Mel Blanc ever do voice overs for you?

>Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
>prohibition won't work.

And, of course, abortion didn't work for you either.

I really must apologize to the net, but I have this vision that just
won't go away.  It's good old Clayton running about in a Bug Bunny
cartoon singing 'kill the faggots' while dressed as Bruinhilde (the
spelling is wrong, but you get the idea).

--mark
who is being way too silly tonight, but he has a good reason

Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: lile@netcom.com (Lile Elam)
Subject: Re: A parable...
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 08:45:50 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

This is one of the reasons I refuse to ware sunglasses. I prefer
to see life as it is and do not want to hide my eyes (which are
the windows to my soul) from others. 

I feel that when others wear sun glasses, they are trying to
hide from me, the world, and life.

I'd much prefer to see someone waring a hat.

-lile




-- 

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