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From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Subject: New Magazine/Journal for Vegetarian Info.
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:50:20 GMT

 
As you may know, the very useful and informative GUIDE TO HEALTHY
EATING (GHE) that was published every 2 months is going to be
replaced by a quarterly called GOOD MEDICINE.  It will be mailed
out starting next week to those who may still be subscribers of
the former GHE.
 
No doubt, this again will be a good source for vegetarian-
relevant information as culled from respectable scientific
sources.  In fact, the new publication, GOOD MEDICINE, will be a
professional journal.  The price is only $20
 
        Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine
        P.O. Box 6322
        Washington, DC 20015
          (202) 686-2210
 
 
Some background info. The Physicians Committee for Responsible
Medicine (PCRM) has put out a magazine call "Guide to Healthy
Eating" every two months for about the last three years.  The
price was only $14.   They are, however, scraping their old
format (which I am sorry to see changed since I thought it was
already very good as it was: nutritional info, recipes, cooking
advice) to now produce this new quarterly.
 
People here have possibly already read some of the info briefs
extracted from the larger articles published in GHE.  Some of
these info briefs have been assiduously typed out and posted by
Ferrell Wheeler (he posts to both science.med.nutrition and
r.f.v.)
 
The PCRM is an non-profit organization.  Some of the core
executive members include people like Dr. Dean Ornish  (who wrote
Stress, Diet & Your Heart) and Dr. Neal Barnard (who wrote "The
Power of Your Plate").  Anyway, take a look at some of the
Wheeler's postings from the PCRM or simply send him a e-mail
message for those postings and more info.  He knows more about
the PCRM than I do.  Those brief PCRM info postings were simply
excepts from the larger articles that were published in their
former magazine, GHE.
 
Again, this was the single best magazine on the topic of
vegetarian nutrition that I've seen and I am confident that GOOD
MEDICINE will even prove itself to be more informative.  Indeed,
the new flagship, GOOD MEDICINE, is going to have a full time
media coordinator, an education department, and a professional
research staff (doctors, dieticians to write the outreach
material).
 
                                   ted
From: zkym02@hou.amoco.com (Keerthi Y. McIntosh)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: request: thanksgiving desserts
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:57:51 GMT
Reply-To: zkym02@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco

jwhwang@eos.ncsu.edu (JOAN WU HWANG) writes: 


does anyone have any recipes for unusual desserts that
use traditional ingredients (pumpkin, squash, sweet potatoes
or cranberries)? 

Have you looked at the cranberry-apple cake in "Moosewood" by Mollie Katzen.  It is the only "fruit cake" I like.  Her new book is supposed to be lower in fat and cholesteral... but I haven't picked one up yet.

Keerthi
From: drew@cs.anu.edu.au (Drew Corrigan)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Status of vegetarianism in Australia - comments
Date: 6 Nov 1992 10:35:37 +1100
Organization: Computer Science Department, ANU, Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.anu.edu.au


Having been following a vegetarian diet now for several months and having
looked around for support materials, I must say that I am generally quite
disappointed at the resources I've seen.

I found one book (identifying vegetarian resources - mainly organizations 
and restaurants in Australia), a couple of Australian cookbooks but very 
little else, especially when it comes to nutritional aspects. It seems that 
the bulk of the vegetarian recipe books are imported in from Britain and 
there is nothing like the books mentioned on this group generally available. 
(I'm thinking of "Power of your Plate", "A Vegetarian Sourcebook", "Nutrition
for Vegetarians", "Vegan Nutrition: Pure and Simple", "Diet for a New
America", and books by McDougall.) In fact, I've learned *far* more from
this newsgroup (thanks Ted, Ferrell, Abhay, etc) than any other source.

It is not that I am overly concerned about these issues - I'm convinced
of the merits of a vegan/vegetarian diet - but it would be nice to have
one or two resources to show other people who might be interested and
need to be convinced that we are not totally over the top.

I could import a book or two but I'm not exactly that well-off to afford
the expense of buying something sight unseen.

At least the number of vegan cookbooks seems to be increasing; we now
own three such books and the author of one of these (Leah Lehmann?) is
to shortly publish another ("365+1 Vegan Recipes"). At first I was frus-
trated because most of the vegetarian cookbooks around make heavy use of 
eggs and cheese.

I am also disappointed by the selection of vegetarian restaurants. We took
a holiday to Adelaide and even in this large city (about 1,000,000) the
number of purely vegetarian restaurants was minute (2 in fact). We ended
up visiting a Lebanese restaurant which had a vegetarian selection in its
menu, and a Hare Krishna eating place which had exactly one choice of food
on the menu. (The food was fine - only the range of choices (1) was some-
what restricting :-).)

Here in Canberra (population 250,000) we have 2 restaurants - a vegetarian
pizza place and a Buddist restaurant - neither of which we've visited yet.
Canberra doesn't seem to have any vegetarian organizations at all.

All in all, I get the impression that vegetarianism is still a fledgling
dietary lifestyle in Australia. (But I can buy tofu, soy milk, soy cheeses,
tvp etc - so its not too bad :-).)

Any fellow Aussies want to comment?

Drew.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg,talk.politics.animals
From: Rosemary Waigh <rwaigh@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: AR Prisoners in need of your written support
Reply-To: rwaigh@zooid.UUCP (Rosemary Waigh)
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 15:14:57 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.animals


[follow-ups directed out of rec.food.veg.  Vegetarian != AR supporter]

In article <1992Nov06.161853.4766@refrig.dixie.com> todd@refrig.dixie.com (Todd H.) writes:
>
>Now, the REAL first point of this discussion was that UNLIKE hunters, the
>animal rights whackos don't divorce themselves from the brain-dead amoungst
>thier ranks - instead, they post messages asking us to send best wishes to
>a bunch of convicted terrorists and arsonists.  Why is that, do you suppose?
>
Todd, did you miss my earlier posting condemning these terrorist actions?
I seem to recall that I was not the only AR supporter who did so.

Or does this mean you don't think we're all whackos? :-) Why, thank you!

Ro
rwaigh@zooid.guild.org


Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: molnar@Bisco.CAnet.CA (Tom Molnar)
Subject: Sugar (Animal bones *are* used)
Summary: Bone charcoal *IS* used.
Organization: UTCS Campus Access
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:45:23 GMT


Last week I had posted an article in which I claimed that animal products
were no longer used in the refining of sugar in North America.  I've forgotten
where I came across that bit of information, but it seemed reliable and
I accepted it.  I'm not the type to write letters to companies to verify
such things.

Well, I've received a few notes from rfv readers who have gently pointed out
that I was misinformed.

So I called one of the largest sugar refineries in Canada, Redpath.  They
told me that they do indeed use bone charcoal in the refining process and
because it was the best way to do it, bone charcoal is the industry standard.

So, there you have it.

If you have any concerns about the use of bone charcoal in the sugar you buy,
call the company to find out for sure.

I'm afraid I don't have many suggestions for sugar replacements for I try
to avoid using sweeteners (with the exception of my own maple syrup).

My apologies for posting incorrect information.

Regards,
Tom
-- 
Tom Molnar
Unix Systems Group, University of Toronto Computing & Communications.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: milk shakes
Reply-To: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:16:06 GMT



i'm a lacto-vegetarian for health reasons (oh no am i on "the list" :)
and just heard that McDonalds puts *chicken feathers* in their milk shakes
to thicken them...

personally, i don't go to McDonalds, but there are people in this group
which go to fast food spots and claim that there is always summat to 
eat there. Should they be ruling out milkshakes, or is this just U.L.?

--
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     NeXT/email: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca    box: Clinical Trials Resources Group
            fax: +1 519 663 3789                P.O. Box 5015, 100 Perth Dr.
            vox: +1 519 663 3787 x4108          London, Canada N6A 5K8
I bought some batteries,but they weren't included so i had to buy  
more--S.Wright
From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Kindred spirits (Vegans)
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:23:43 GMT
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

abulsari@aton.abo.fi writes:
>The following was  an article  Michael Traub  found  in the  Telegraph
>Magazine on the weekend:
>
>Kindred Spirits - Vegans
>------------------------
>
>...
>Uri Geller
>
>    'I  have  always  been  an  animal  lover and became vegan 15 years ago
>    because  I  did not want to eat their corpses. Now even the smell of an
>    egg  disgusts  me,' says the psychic. 'I'm also much fitter now. I'm 45
>    years old but I have more stamina than I did in my 20s'

     Uri Geller? Ulp! Yikes! How distressing to learn that I have something
in common with such a charlatan. Ah well. An idea is not responsible
for who believes it.

===============================================================================
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     "What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?" - Nick Lowe 
                     Keep your values off my family.
  "Oh, I know it's a penny here and a penny there, but look at me. I worked
   myself up from nothing to a state of extreme poverty."
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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: artemis@netcom.com (Michelle Dick)
Subject: Re: Carob Recipes
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:15:22 GMT


I left out one of the ingredients in the Silken Pie recipe.  Add
1/3 cup honey to the list of ingredients.

--
Michelle Dick
artemis@netcom.com
From: red_trek@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Vegitarian Traveling
Date: 13 Nov 92 09:33:08 -0500
Distribution: na
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

The following is a great idea!  I've been meaning to suggest it
for a while, and you beat me to it!

I would suggest, though, that maintaining a list of *all*
vegetarian resturants in the world as one file would get
overwhelming, both to maintain and to read (suppose you only
want to know about resturants in Zurich?)

May I respectfully suggest:  a *collection* of files on individual 
metropolition (and other) regions, both to be maintained on ftp,
and in one or more individual(s)' disk space(s).  Even if more than one
person volunteered to maintian these lists, we could/should have one
person who would, at minimum, keep track of who has what -- this person's
name would be listed in teh FAQ, so any future travelers would contact
this person directly, and this person would pass the request on to
the appropriate person, or handle teh request him/hersYlf as appropriate.
This central person would also be the person to contact if you know
of a terrific resturant in your area, and want to pass teh tip on.

So the *list* would not be posted; rather, regular announcements
would be posted reminding readers this service is available
(say about two weeks after the FAQ is posted each month; despite
the adjusted expiration date, the FAQ still expires on usual schedule
in a number of places, including mine where things only stay
up for three days!)

This would be a welcome service to everyone:  not only would it help those 
who need/want this information, it would reduce a great deal of clutter
in the newsgroup itself.
=========

In article <1992Nov12.205123.8632@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, dwalker@bnr.ca (David Walker) writes:
> In article <1992Nov11.215110.26327@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>, djordan@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (David Jordan) writes:
> |> Eric,
> |> 
> |> The publishers of *Vegetarian Times* publish a *Guide to Natural
> |> Food Restuarants in North America*.  I have used it often.  It is
> |> a life saver for a vegan.  It is getting out of date.  Some restuarants
> |> have closed.  It doesn't always tell you about the atmosphere of
> |> a place.  
> |>
> |> ....
> 
> Since we're always completely up-to-date here on the net, someone (me??)
> should probably volunteer to collect a list of all good veggie restaurants
> around the planet, based on our fellow netters' experiences.
> 
> This list could be posted periodically to r.f.v and news.answers.
> It could be a real life-saver (literally!) and, best of all, would be free!! 
> 
> Opinions?
> 
> 
> 
> Dave.
> ======================================================================
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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: C11815@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Josette Giacobbi)
Subject: Re: Basil Seeds, Red Lime, Yuk-Jok
Organization: Motorola
Date: 13 Nov 1992 09:35:13 CST

-----
My first thought would be to plant the basil seeds in your garden, or in
a flower pot on the window sill.  Maybe you can sprout them.  Can you
sprout basil seeds??? the other things, well, what are they?    josette
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

     Our kids just sent my husband the best birthday present ever: a
big box of Oriental groceries.  The various pickled cabbages and
turnips will be gobbled up; the black mushrooms are already a staple
in my pantry; the sesame paste and the leek flower sauce will be used
to make my own sauces more complex; we'll even try the tea whose
description  sounds more like a dessert than a tea....
     But what do I do with basil seeds, red lime, and especially dried
Yuk-Jok (Polygonatum)  ???????
                                  --Thelma Lubkin



Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Re: Need vegetarian ideas for thanksgiving
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 15:51:56 GMT

In article <1689711A33.TDOPER35@ysub.ysu.edu> TDOPER35@ysub.ysu.edu (Dogger) writes:
>I need suggestions for a vegetarian thanksgiving. Thanks for your help.
> 
>DOGGER

Here is our menu for Thanksgiving

Pumpkin soup ( served in the pumpkin)

Romaina and Pear Salad with rasberry vinagrette

mashed potatoes 

5 squash saute

sweet potatoes salad ( made JUST like regular potatoe salad only with
                        sweet potatoes)
raw cranberry orange relish

cornbread stuffing with seitan ( served in a bird shaped Romertopf)

nut roast

dessert:

pumpkin pie
apple pie
persimmon-pineapple cake

The attendees will all be omnivores, but I am sure it will all work
out well!

rf
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: Conclusions about Ted Altar
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 11:55:01 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Nov10.070847.13173@abo.fi> abulsari@aton.abo.fi writes:
>
>We should be grateful to him for being the single most
>important source of informative postings on r.f.v. It is
>to a good extent because of him and Ferrell Wheeler and
>Michael Traub that people want to read this newsgroup.

Nonsense. It's Ted's mis-quoted clinical data and Michael Traub's
medical quackery that forced them into exile in the first place. Others
would no longer tolerate it.

You yourself, Abhay, are nothing more than a colon-cleansing
medical quack cut from the same mold. With no opinion of your
own, all you do is post articles written by Michael Traub, and then
agree with everything he and Ted say. 

Over the past year, the three of you working as a team have rudely
oppressed others who didn't share your misinformed views, and you have 
been disrespectful of participants with expert knowledge who challenged
you. For this reason, many participants with worthwhile contributions
abandoned the group, leaving us now with you three guys and newcomers.

No doubt, your unsolicited propaganda here will be viewed by newcomers
with suspicion.
From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Chimps and Ethics (was Re: The thought experiment...)
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:50:51 GMT
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

kerr@redgum.ucnv.edu.au (r.kerr) writes:
))     Chimps have a totalitarian social structure and have been known
))to kill other members of their species over "political" power. Is it
))"evil" for them to do so? In so far as "evil" has any meaning, I don't
))think so. Yet few people would argue that it's okay for humans to kill
))other members of their own species for such reasons. Or consier wild
))animals that attack men. Is a grizzly bear who kills a human "evil"?
))What about a human who kills a human?
)
)Every social species has some mechanism for resolving disputes.  I do
)not advocate taking any other species' social structures and applying
)them to ourselves.  I was trying to say that the species nearest our
)own are all omnivorous (some primates are actually carnivorous) and if
)we are going to make an exception for ourselves on moral grounds we're
)going to have to do some pretty swift talking.

     I still don't follow your argument. We aren't chimps. We put
people who act too much like chimps in mental institutions. You say that
you don't advocate taking other species social structures and applying them
to us, yet you seem to be advocating taking other species' dietary habits
and applying them to us, as well as applying the human notion of morality 
to other primates . Please explain.

)...
)This reinforces my point.  Food taboos are a cultural phenomenon.  Western
)vegetarianism traces its roots back to the naturalism of the mid-to-late
)Eighteen Hundreds.  Although you may feel a certain kinship with the Jains,
)Hindus and Ancient Egyptians, western vegetarianism stems from a very
)different motivation.  Even ancient writers in our own intellectual tradition
)(e.g. Plutarch and Pythagorus) owe more to the mystery religions of their
)time than the modern extension of a sense of fair play.

     My decision to become a vegetarian was not motivated by the 1800's
naturalists or the Hindus or the Egyptians or Pythagorus. Nope. I owe it
to my dog. I wouldn't kill him, burn his carcass, and eat it, so how could
I consistently do it to other animals? So please don't assume that someone
else's motivation for adopting a vegetarian diet is the same as mine.

===============================================================================
Tom Swiss/tms@cs.umd.edu  |  "Born to die"   |   Keep your laws off my brain!
     "What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?" - Nick Lowe 
                     Keep your values off my family.
Fourth Law of Thermodymanics:
     If the probability of success is not almost one, then it is
     damn near zero.
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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: rcj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Craig Jamieson)
Subject: alt.mcdonalds
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Distribution: World
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:48:35 GMT

Article 157 of alt.mcdonalds:
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
From: boutell@isis.cshl.org (Tom Boutell)
Subject: Alternate Menu Items...
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Labs
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1992 19:30:41 GMT

Why not a decent vegetarian burger (vegetarian food, not
vegetarians' flesh (: )? Seriously, Burger King does this
in Europe, and the percentage of vegetarians in the U.S. is
currently 8% and rising. More importantly, a heck of a lot of
other folks claim to eat "less meat than they used to," et cetera.
Given the opportunity, they'd probably buy one also. Of course, it would
have to be *tasty*- the overseas BK veggieburgers are pretty good
on that score, though.

-T

-- 
Tom Boutell, boutell@cshl.org

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg,talk.politics.animals
From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: California Condor and hunters
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:20:09 GMT

In article <1dbtlaINNb78@agate.berkeley.edu> spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes:
>Todd writes:
>
>| Well, early in the article you posted, you started with some quotes, although
>| from an out-dated and yes, misinformed book.  There has NEVER been a hunting
>| season for condors.  Semantics again must apply - poachers are not hunters.
>Wrong, poachers ARE hunters.  Todd, you are out to lunch
>on this one.

No, poachers are poachers. They are despicable scum. Please desist from 
calling them hunters. This is approximately as insulting as saying your
mother starred in movies having sex with barnyard animals. Poaching is
big business, and in fact is being conducted by organized criminal 
organizations. The slaughter of bears for gall bladders and paws is 
sickening to the hunting community, and that is but one example.

Jeff Achenbach