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From: prb@chinet.chi.il.us (Paul Botts)
Subject: Are the Hawks for real?
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:53:44 GMT

So, I gotta admit I have been remaining skeptical about these Blackhawks
as far as being Cup contenders, possibly because as a longtime fan I
have seen them so many times put together pretty good teams that just
aren't really the Real Thing (like last year, and the other four times
they've reached the Finals since they last won a Cup 32 years ago). I
just haven't seen how a team that relies on two forwards for half its
offense can be serious about going all the way.
But I have to say I am starting to wonder. THey are not only winning,
they are beating the good teams, like Vancouver last night. They seem to
own their divisional rivals now, so getting out of the divisional
playoffs should not be a major problem. They have adjusted to the rules
changes which would seem to hurt physical teams, and they are dealing
with the additional penalties they are getting, while cutting down
sharply on their really brainless retaliation-type stuff. They may have
a motley collection of underachievers and over-the-hill guys and grunts
populating their 2nd and 3rd forward lines, but Roenick and Larmer make
up for a lot. They have overcome significant infjuries (Brent SUtter,
Keith Brown, Igor Kravchuk), partly becuase they have as good and deep a
blue-line group as I have seen in years. They also have the hottest
goalie on the planet and a guy backing him up who could start for a
bunch of teams in the NHL right now (and who will aparently be starting
for either Anaheim or Miami next season, thanks to the expansion-draft
rules).
And then to top that off, here comes this bizarre bolt from somewhere to
afflict Mario Lemieux. I *love* watching the guy play, and I sure hope
he really is going to recover, but I have my doubts, especially for this
year. Even if he is able to play again this season, no way is he going
to be in real game shape.
The significance of that for the Blackhawks is that there was no way on
GOd's green Earth that they were going to beat the Pens in another
FInals. Besides the fact that the Pens with a healthy Mario are clearly
the best team in the NHL, they just *owned* the Hawks. But now, who
knows? Will they even make it out of their own division? And is there
anybody else in the Wales who we can say is a better team than the
Hawks? I don't think so, in fact I think if the Pens go down, then
either the Hawks or the Canucks would have to be favored against the
Wales rep in the Finals. Of course, both the Hawks and Canucks could get
knocked off before then.
So, all in all, it suddenly seems as if the Hawks are about as good a
bet for the Cup as anybody else. Or am I just having another one of
those dreams again....?

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From: fafuria@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Frederick Arthur Furia)
Subject: Re: War on Violence a Joke (Scott Taylor)
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:13:54 GMT

In article <kalford-270193180749@staffws.maclab.comp.uvic.ca> kalford@sol.uvvm.ca (Keith Alford) writes:
>
>Outside of boxing and wrestling, I can think of  no sport other than hockey
>in which INTENTIONALLY hurting a player isn't cause for the stiffest
>penalty.
>

(1)  There are arguably more rules against hurting an opponent in wrestling than in hockey.

(2)  Intentionally hurting another person is illegal in both Canada and the US, and outside
     of a hockey rink is cause for arrest (and should be *inside* the arena as well).


The good news is, I heard a report that fighting in the NHL has gone down a bit this year, and
that the average game has .5 more goals.  (Not as much as was hoped for...)

Fred
From: John_Carson@mindlink.bc.ca (John Carson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Hall of Fame
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:49:07 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

> EVAN pritchard writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <C186Fx.1JG@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
> Posted: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:28:4
>
> Org.  : UIUC Department of Psychology
>
> kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:
>
> >Other possible candidates for the Hockey Hall of Fame might include
> >Michel Goulet, Dave Taylor, and Doug Gilmour.
>
> Taylor I am less sure about, although he could very well get his number
> retired after he retires in LA.
>
> Evan


Taylor will always be remembered for the line of DIONNE-TAYLOR-SIMMER.

Did they ever produce points. Too bad the defence was not a supporting cast.

What was the name of this line?

John
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From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Keenan talks to Sabres
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:41:02 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <27JAN199311420035@pavo.concordia.ca> p_emond@pavo.concordia.ca (PATRICK EMOND) writes:
>
>  Iron Mike Keenan (not to be confused with Iron Mike Ditka, what is it with
>  Chicago coaches?) is reported to be talking to Buffalo Sabres management
>  about becoming GM and possibly coach somewhere down the line. This bodes
>  well, Keenan's a tough SOB but he's too talented to be unemployed...

I haven't heard anything about this here in Buffalo, BUT...

Current GM Gerry Meehan is rumored to be on the short list of those
being chosen to assist the new League president, or commissioner, or
whatever he's going to be called now.  There were three names bandied
about, and one of them was Meehan, another was Washington's GM, and I 
simply cannot recall the third.

If this is true, and if Meehan gets the position, the GM spot is open.
Muckler currently has the coaching job but didn't come to Buffalo to
be coach.  He's director of hockey operations and is probably eyeing
the GM seat himself, unless he really got back into the concept of
coaching.  

HOWEVER, Muckler's style is not Keenan's.  A radical style change
won't be made again so soon.




-- 
Valerie Hammerl 	       John Sr. would lift Pat over the boards, grab 
hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu       his hand, and start running around the outside,
V085PWPZ@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU  faster and faster.  "I wanted to learn how to 
get that feeling, and the only way was to learn how to skate."  P. LaFontaine
From: bwalhof@ub.d.umn.edu (Barry)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: HOUSLEY's streak ends after 2 handed slash by Roenick
Date: 22 Jan 1993 10:11:22 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu

In article <1jms0cINN78u@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cr292@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jim Schenk) writes:
>
>Roenick is really turning into a hacker and a cheap shot artist. Suspend him
>for 10 games!  I think he learns it from Smith and Chelios.
>
	When you play in the rough and tough Norris Division get ready for
	the goons.  If you dont like it, go play with Gretzky and watch the
	allstar game.

	Flame away...
>JIm
>GO Blues

	Barry
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From: jxu@black.clarku.edu (The batman)
Subject: << Need evals of Bruins' John Blue
Organization: Clark University (Worcester, MA)
Date: 23 Jan 93 19:17:55 GMT

John Blue as I know only played 5 full games for Boston Bruins.  His record
is 2-2-1 and has goal against average about 2.40.  I think he played generally
well during those games.  In this first game, he lost to Quebec 3-2.  Then
He has his worst game as Bruins as he and Bruins lost to New Jersey 6-2.
Then He allowed only two goals to high-powerful Buffalo Sabres as Boston
beated Sabres 5-2.  He then shut out Mario-less Penguins.  The last game he
played he allowed two goals to Islanders.  One of them is fluke.  But he did
stop several breakaway.  Overall, he played fairly well.  I think he desire
at least an "A-" for his play.  As for how good goaltender he is going to be,
who know?  Boston fans have to wait to see how he play in the future games.
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From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: San Jose Arena--completion date in jeopard
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:53:05 GMT

In article J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM, J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM () writes:
>
>   If the arena isn't finished soon after June, it will mean another season in
>the Cow Palace (and more hour-long drives...sigh).

Hey!  I LIKE the Cow Palace!  It's a fun place to watch a game.  It's
small...there are NO really bad seats.  The corners are great...you can
see the entire ice surface right in front of you, yet you're not so far
away that the players look like fleas.  Lots and lots of parking, and
it's easy to get to...especially from the East Bay.

The new arena will be HUGE (18000 seats), but last I heard, they're
only planning to have 2400 parking spaces.  You can't get there from
the East Bay using public transportation...you almost have to drive,
and if you can't squeeze into the parking lot, kiss your car goodbye.

Of course, if Oakland had got the team as originally planned (before
they decided they'd rather have the Raiders back...HA!), that would
have been ideal.  The Coliseum isn't a bad place to watch a game,
although I've heard the ice isn't always up to scratch.

>Of course, they *do* have to name it first...

"The Epicenter".  I don't care what the official name is...the arena
will be called "The Epicenter".

have fun
gak
107/H/3&4

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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Marky Mark endorses Tampa Bay Lightning
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Deep Space Nine (DS9)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:07:46 GMT


Yo, out there, what's happening?  I was catchin' MTV's Rock News last
night while waitin' for da hockey on MSG and CNN when my main man
Marky Mark showed up on my tube ... da man was groovin' at the MTV
Inaugaral Ball and he sure looked fly with his Tampa Bay Lightnin' 
cap ... YO!  Like, maybe Trader Phil should think hard about getting
the Markster ta do th' national anthem at a game or something ...
yeah, th' Tampa Bay Funky Bunch!

gld
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From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio;6442;3.55;)
Subject: NHL NEWS FOR 23 JANUARY 1993 (long)
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 14:27:09 GMT



NHL NEWS FOR 23 JANUARY 1993:


UPS AND DOWNS:
--------------

The NEW JERSEY DEVILS recalled center JARROD SKALDE from Utica of the
American Hockey League, since  PETER STASTNY is out with the flu, and
BERNIE NICHOLLS has left the team temporarily to deal with a family
crisis.

The NEW YORK ISLANDERS sent right winger DANIEL MAROIS to Capital
District of the AHL for a two-week conditioning stint.

Defenseman BRYAN FOGARTY has been suspended indefinitely by the
PITTSBURGH PENGUINS for leaving the Cleveland Lumberjacks of the
International Hockey league without without approval.

The ST. LOUIS BLUES recalled netminder GEOFF SARJEANT from Peoria of
the IHL under emergency conditions.


BAD BREAK:
----------

ST. LOUIS BLUES defenseman LEE NORWOOD fractured his left ankle when a
motorcycle fell on him in his garage, according to team sources.


LINDROS COURT DRAMA CONTINUES:
------------------------------

According to several defense witnesses, ERIC LINDROS was the victim--
not the instigator, as alleged by Lynn Nunney, a 24-year old factory
worker-- of the much-publicized beer-throwing incident for which he
faces common assault charges in an Oshawa, Ontario courtroom.


JETS SEND SLASH TAPE TO LEAGUE:
-------------------------------

The WINNIPEG JETS have sent a videotape of CHICAGO BLACKHAWK right wing
JEREMY ROENICK's slash of star defenseman PHIL HOUSLEY, which knocked
him out of the lineup with a bruised wrist.  Jets coach JOHN PADDOCK
commented that although he doesn't like sending tapes to the league, he
felt that they should be "(made) aware of some of the things that
happen when Chicago plays."


SALARY ARBITRATION ISSUE RESOLVED:
----------------------------------

The NHL owners and players have resolved differences over salary
arbitration procedures, clearing the way for about 40 hearings.  NHLPA
executive director BOB GOODENOW didn't disclose how the issues were
resolved, but the prior sticking point had been the manner in which
statistics were used in arbitration hearings.


-JPC



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From: f31922c@kaira.hut.fi (Asko Tapani Huumonen)
Subject: Re: Stanley Cup champs. vs. European cup winners?
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:54:25 GMT

In article <C1FBxC.70v@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> gwalker@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Greg Walker) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.134715.27800@nntp.hut.fi>, f31922c@kaira.hut.fi (Asko Tapani Huumonen) writes:
>> In article <1993Jan22.100712.17091@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:

>> >....A Finnish colleague of mine, Asko Huumonen, recently told me that a hockey
>> >version of basketball's "McDonald's Open" might be a good idea. What do you
>> >think? We could invite the Pittsburgh Penguins to play the top four teams of
>> >the European Cup or...[suggested teams and remainder of article deleted]
>> >MARCU$

[some discussion deleted]

>> There is no doubt at least some interest for this kind of tournament here in
>> Europe. Somehow I feel that most North American fans couldn't care less. Please
>> tell me how wrong I am.

>Well, I'd be interested in watching such a tournament, but I don't think it'd
>get off the ground.  NHL players already play a gruelling 84-game schedule,
>plus ~10 exhibition games before it, and 0 to 28 playoff games after it.  The
>Stanley Cup champions would have to be close to the 28 playoff game level, as
>would the losing finalists, so the two best teams (yeah, I know that's
>debateable) would be the most tired.
>
>Not to mention the Canada Cup every 3-4 years, the proposed Olympic "Dream
>Team", the all-star game and benefit games some teams play.  New tournaments
>are something the NHLPA is probably not very interested in.
>
>Still, money makes the world go 'round, and as one reporter commented after
>the London exhibition games, these tournaments are not about hockey, they're
>about selling beer.  Molson's of Canada is becoming more imperialistic day-
>by-day, what with their recent agreement with Miller in the U.S.  It may yet
>happen, or something similiar.


Perhaps I should point out that I never thought that such a tournament could 
take place during the regular season. After the playoffs both the players and
fans would be far too tired to be interested. So that leaves us those 
pre-season exhibition games. I am suggesting that some NHL team (preferably 
the Stanley Cup winners) would play three or four of their pre-season games 
against top European teams. Naturally the participating teams would be far 
from their best shape but at least we would have a chance to see if the best 
European club Teams are any good. Later on (very much later, decades I am 
afraid) the status of the tournament could rise to the heights of the 
Stanley Cup. 


>Greg Walker           "It's hard to work in groups when you're omnipotent" -- Q
>University of Waterloo, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
>gwalker@cayley.uwaterloo.ca

Asko


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From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Re Where is Berehowsky?
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:05:21 GMT

AL> I was just wondering if anyone knew the whereabouts of Drake
AL> Berowsky  (a defenceman with the Leafs)? We don't get many Leaf
AL> games in Edmonton,        but the last few games I did see, I
AL> didn't notice him playing. (He's not     on the injured list
AL> eiher.) Has he been sent down to the minors?       
 
Berehowski has been playing in St. John's for weeks (months?), he was
sent down around the same timeas Kent Manderville and Joe Sacco.
 
Stephen Legge
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From: popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich)
Subject: Re: NHL Realignment Proposed
Organization: Columbia University
	<C1IssC.8Dz@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:02:53 GMT

>The problem with moving Miami to the Norris is that Miami and Tampa Bay wouldn't
>be in the same division.  I can see your point about wanting to see Patrick
>division teams, but wouldn't a Pittsburgh/Chicago/Detroit/St.Louis divisional
>playoff be awesome?

Not with all the Penguins' "body clocks" being off by an hour in each
of those other cities.  Admittedly, a one-hour time difference is
nowhere near as bad as three hours (to the West Coast), but sometimes
it only takes a little difference...particularly when all the games
are held at night, with games that (in the playoffs, when they COUNT)
end at 11, but the team traveling westward feels like they're ending
at midnight...ZZZzz...

The Snorris is a Central Time Zone division.  Admittedly, we don't
seem to have the right number of teams from that time zone to make a
division, and we have too many Eastern Time Zone teams.  But why not
stick, say, one of the expansion teams with the extra cross-time-zone
travel?  It's not like it would hurt their chances to win the Cup in
the next couple of years, and at the rate things are going, the NHL
will be expanding again after those few years.  Then, they can make
another realignment, and possibly add another Central Time Zone team
and not have this travel problem.  Or maybe the Lightning can move
to the Central Time Zone if and when they leave Tampa Bay.

Of course, the problem is that Miami and Tampa Bay are a lot further
away from many of the Norris Division cities than Pittsburgh is,
translating into much higher travel costs.  But the time zone problem
is exactly the same, and the Penguins aren't exactly in the financial
shape to take an extra hit in travel costs, either.

If this realignment happens, the Pittsburgh fans will know how the
Winnipeg fans felt after the Jets were shafted into the Smythe.
(Right, Gary? :-)
	-Steve
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:45:32 -0500 
From: Thomas.Sullivan@cs.cmu.edu
Subject: Re: Aluminum hockey sticks
	<gp2011-260193125517@m248-65.bgsu.edu>

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.hockey: 26-Jan-93 Re: Aluminum hockey
sticks George Pavlic@andy.bgsu. (845)

>  Have you ever seen someone give a
> cross-check to another player's back and the stick break?  The reason is
> that there is one certain part of the vertebrae that is too strong and it
> will just break the stick.  Well, if this is done with an aluminum stick,
> it can cause a serious back injury.  This is why I never use aluminum
> sticks.

> George

Planning on dishing out lots of cross-checks to the back when we play you
George?  What is your number again?  44?

--Tom

Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:07:06 -0500 
From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: More Arena Stuff/CALGARY
	<1993Jan25.154917.3098@mtroyal.ab.ca>



>The NHL will never change to the international surface though. The Flames can
>charge about $40 a ticket for those front row seats. Losing 2000 of them means
>losing over $80,000 in ticket revenue per game, or over $3.5 million Cdn per
>year not counting playoffs. (When prices go up)

Considering how slowly the NHL makes decisions you are probably right but
I disagree with your comment that it's because of the loss of revenue.  There
would be no loss of revenue.  The remaining 18,000 or so would pay out
the wazoo to make up for the loss of seats.

Mom.

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From: smith@phobos.cira.colostate.edu
Subject: Re: ESPN gets 2 periods
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:51:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Reply-To: smith%sol.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu
Organization: Colorado State Univ, CIRA

In article <1993Jan25.011231.6070@news.columbia.edu>, gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>smith%sol.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu (Smitty) writes:
>>
>>Then came the third period ..............
>>Five consecutive goals for the Rangers, the collapse of the Kings, 
>>jeering from the crowd, etc
>
>This could be a bad sign for the playoffs ...
>
>Since the Rangers were on MSG, we had Penguins at Flames in the metro
>New York region using KBL's raw feed w/ESPN graphics (a la SC using
>CBC West during the playoffs).  After Mike Gartner's goal, I would
>have thought that ESPN would switch over to their alternate game 'cos
>Joe Neiwendyk had a penalty shot on Ken Wregget (who had Neiwendyk
>scratching his own back with a hacksaw -- I really thought it would
>have gone in!!!), then a FRANTIC final few minutes afterward.  
>
>gld
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>Gary L. Dare
>> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.EDU 		Carnaval de Quebec (City)
>> gld@cunixc.BITNET			February 4 - 14


They did cut in to show the Nieuwendyk miss, but didn't stay. I think
this was just before the Rangers-Kings game got out of hand.

Smitty 
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From: dleung@bnr.ca (Dennis Leung)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Right/left
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:59:52 GMT
Reply-To: dleung@bnr.ca (Dennis Leung)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

I recall a few years back (during one of the Canada Cups perhaps?)
the entire Soviet team was left handed. More a coincidence than
anything significant I believe.  And for all the left-handed
hockey players there aren't that many left-handed golfers, not
just in the pro ranks I mean at your average club. You'd think
they were related.

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