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From: gac@cs.brown.edu (Glenn Carroll)
Subject: price info on VFR750
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:25:50 GMT

A friend of mine wants to buy a new Honda VFR750.  He finds the MSRP
of ~$7400 a bit steep, so he wants to do some hard bargaining.  The
question is, what's the lowest offer that might get accepted?  

- does anyone out there know the factory invoice price of a 92 or 93 VFR750,
especially in the New England region?

- does anyone have a good idea what the standard mark-up for motorcycles
in that price range is, (again, especially in the N.E. region)?

E-mail replies are preferable, since this probably doesn't interest
everyone.  I'll post a summary if interest warrants, of course.

	glenn
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih)
Subject: Re: ST1100 still reigns supreme
Date: 05 Oct 92 09:50:22 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In rec.motorcycles blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
;chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih) writes:
;>Maybe you'd better trade in your bike for a cage
;>with an automatic transmission.  You see, with
;>bikes, especially SPORT bikes, you occasionally
;>have to shift gears to get maximum power.
;
;Maybe you should try riding a bike with a REAL engine. Something that
;has 100 bhp, and lots of low end torque too. 

Are you making an offer?  I've never wrecked, er,
I mean driven an FJ before.  :)

I've had three bikes now that make 110+ bhp peak, 
and all of them go faster when revved way up.
Hell, I even used to drive a low-revving, torquey
DP bike, and that one occasionally required a down-
shift too.

The point is that this "top gear roll on" thing is
bullshit.  You can gear a bike so low that it's
turning 9000rpm in top gear at 70mph, and that bike
will toast everything else on the road in "top gear
roll on."  A very tall top gear gives you lousy top 
gear acceleration, but is great for touring.  If you 
want quick acceleration without a downshift, just 
don't use the top two or three gears.  Works for me.

---
chris
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015)
Subject: Re: fuel/engine efficiency
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 01:52:40 GMT

In article <7579@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>bob pasker (bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us) wrote:
>: > We don't have hydrogen powered motorcycles because they aren't currently
>: > practical as replacements for gasoline engined equivilents.
>: 
>: do you know this for a fact?  or is it just what you've been told?
>
>Do *you* know for a fact that the oil companies have bought up some marvelous
>patented technology to keep it off the market.  Can you give me a patent number
>to check?  Patents, after all are public documents.  Does the wonderous
>invention you know about actually *work*?  There are lots of patents for
>things that don't really live up to their inventors' dreams.

Actually, I know for a fact that this has happened.  In the late '20's
Quaker Oats was developing a new resin type based on furfuryl alcohol.  This
polymer can form remarkably strong binders and which are totally waterproof
and easily formulated for a wide range of substrates.  They are also based on
nonpetrochemicals.  Furfuryl alcohol is the reaction product of acid
hydrolysis of oat hulls, corn cobs, etc.  Quaker Oats developed a large
number of patents regarding the formulation of furfuryl alcohol resins.
Standard Oil purchased most of these patents and sat on them, eliminating
competition for their developing phenolic resin systems.  Phenol is a petro-
chemical.

A major outcome of this is that to this day Quaker Oats patents many new
types of chemical products and essentially gives those patents away on a
nonexclusive basis.  They also help folks patent new products which involves
the use of furfuryl alcohol and related products. (I authored a couple myself!)
I have no reason to presume this is an isolated situation.

Ride Free,

Bill
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If you sit, just sit.
If you ride, just ride.

Above all, don't wobble.
                             Zen saying (slightly modified)
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From: jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris)
Subject: Re: More gasohol
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:55:29 GMT

In article <BvCqFM.51z@cmptrc.lonestar.org> neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) writes:
>Don't forget the Aermacci's (sp?) True, they were Italian-made, but were sold
>as Harleys and H-D owned a major portion of the factory.

Harley purchased fifty percent of Aeronautica Macchi Co. (Aermacchi) in
1960. They imported the Sprint 250cc in 1960 and the 350cc in 1969.
These were both 4-stroke bikes. In 1972 they were both replaced by 
2-stroke versions and in 1977 Harley divested from Aermacchi due to
overwhelming competition from Yamaha. It eventually got renamed Cagiva 
and went on to make one or two interesting motorcycles and win a 
couple of races. 8-)

And my bike still doesn't buzz.

-John
============================================================================
                            John S. Morris  #0316
  Open Software Foundation - 11 Cambridge Centre - Cambridge, MA 02142 USA
    Voice: +1 (617) 621-8739 Fax: +1 (617) 621-0584 Email: jsm@osf.org
                           Ride: K100RS Cage: 320i
From: dgibb@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Don Gibb)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Am I wobbling?
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:40:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Oct2.164044.16184
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <LOTTO.92Oct2115410@laura.harvard.edu> lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes:

>You are probably looking too deeply into the problem.

Well, maybe.  But, I've only had the bike for about 3 weeks and checking the
torque on the steering head bearings is high on the priority list.


>Uneven tire wear patterns can be caused by a wobble, but the reverse
>is a lot more likely.  Uneven wear (scalloping) on a tire is usually
>indicative of underinflation.  In fact, this is the most common cause
>of tire failure!  Since you say you don't know the history of the
>bike, I suspect that the previous owner(s) did not check tire

My suspicions also.  The tread depth indicates that the tires have about
5000-6000 miles on them.


>You bought a motorcycle with a bad tire and experienced the expected
>symptom right from the start.  Change the tire(s), inflate them
>properly, balance them and see if the wobble goes away.

Part of the deal on this bike was that I get tires at "dealer cost".  I've
ordered a set of Metzlers but I'm still waiting for them to get here.  The
dealer is approx. 45 miles north of me and it looks like I'm going to have
to ride up there and personally oversee the ordering of my tires.  This 
wouldn't be so bad if I didn't work 7 days a week!  :-(
-- 
  
Don Gibb - DoD #0088
'83 Suzuki GS1100L
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: A different BMW question - tires
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:56:09 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
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Paul Marshall Hounslow (ssuhouns@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk) wrote:
: In article 28627@awdprime.austin.ibm.com, bade@athena2.Berkeley.EDU () writes:
: >
: >
: >> I have just been fortunate enough to acquire a used '91 K75RT
: >> (in a stunning metallic crimson, with ... sorry, can't help mysel
: >> This is a tire question.  The tires on the bike are Pirelli Sportster (?)
: >> Phantoms.  On my regular commute to work (80 - 90 km/h along
: >> nice twisty roads) I have found that the tires are letting go
: >> of the road on the occasional corner.
: >I put a set of Pirelli Match in slightly wider/lower profile on my
: >K75 when the stock Metzler wore out.  5000 miles later when I
: >traded up to a K75S the tire had minimal wear, and had not squared off
: >at all.   I regularly ran at 70 to 80 mph without any feeling of
: >slipping on the nicer twisties in Central Texas.  I'd say that the
: >Phantoms are a harder touring compound and were put on for long
: >life.
: >
: I had Phantoms on my K100RT when I bought it in 1985.  Bloody awfull things,
: They would "go off" when they got hot.  More than a half hour over 60mph, and
: it felt like a flat.  Soon junked those!  Best things I have found, on the K100's,
: are Michelin radials.  Last longest too. 3000 out of a Metzler is no joke at
: 20000 a year.  The Michelins gripped the best, and lasted 5000miles.
: 
: 
: 
: Paul
: 
: ----
: 73's de Paul                         The smelling pistakes are all my own.
: Packet: G4YFY@GB7BEQ                 I have no employer (I retired ;-).
: EMail:  ssuhouns@susssys1.rdg.ac.uk  1990 16 valve K100RS(LT)    DoD #0573

I had Dunlop Radials on for about 10-12k miles.  They lasted a long time but
the handling was a bit shitty.  I am now using an ME33/55 pair which give great
handling but I don't expect any sort of longevity.  I will probably post when
the ME55 wears out as I will be asking for ideas for others or just bitching
about their lack of life.

Hey, it's a stupid game, but I don't care if you don't.... Cure.


Nick (the Tyred Biker)   MAG 73516   DoD 1069


M'Lud.


PS  J. Quisty....   Piss off!  My wife thought I was great in bed...  until she
                                                                    dumped me!!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: patlo@microsoft.com (Pat Loughery)
Subject: Re: Sleeping Pillions, Squid Awards, and other fun
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:19:50 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

In article <1992Sep29.180815.576@halfdome.sf.ca.us> laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us wrote:
> In article <1600@adpplz.UUCP>, martin@adpgate.UUCP (Martin Golding) writes:
>  
> > Passenging* is good. Until she _insists_ on riding, when we'll have to
> > discuss Why Yamaha Viragos are the World's Best Motorcycle.
>  
> now, martin.  don't be selfish.  i think this is brilliant.  carol
> NEEDS a yamaha virago and the MSF course.  a nice new 750 virago with
> the cushy seat and the nice smooth ride  i think this would be a very
> excellent addition to carol's list of expertise. and i betcha dinner
> in sf that getting carol her own bike AND a set of wired-for-sound
> helmets will make both of you much happier.  you just go ask her if
> i'm not right. 

I think Martin's point is that if she decides to ride, Martin would prefer
her to not fall in love with his Duc, or BMW, or RD, or ... so he can keep
them for himself.

Don't let her ride the Duc, Martin.  There's poison on them thar bars.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
            Pat Loughery [patlo@microsoft.com] Seattle, WA
               '91 Nighthawk CB750 - DoD #393, AMA, VME
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"I had no shoes and I pitied myself. Then I met a man who had no feet,
                so I took his shoes."   -- Dave Barry
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel and Riding
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:07:37 PDT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: world
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <Stafford-061092170958@stafford.winona.msus.edu>, Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:
>> |> In article <1992Oct2.154058.602@halfdome.sf.ca.us>
>> |> bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker) writes:
>> |> >
>> |> >one item which i have found to reduce vibration in the handlebars
>> |> is [mirrors]

this is a misquote.  the item to which i was refering was a "bar snake" (tm).


-- 
--
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How far do you commute/Cereal for Breakfast
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:39:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * 501-985-0059 * Public Access Usenet


-> >P.S. Does anyone eat Cereal for Breakfast besides me??

> I do!  I do!  And sometimes toast, too.


 Brr.  A Coke and a Twinkie for me...

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can you help me...help me get out of this place?...slow sedation...
ain't my style, ain't my pace...giving me a number...NINE, SEVEN, EIGHT
(Nazareth)               XJ900 TURBO at 15psi          DoD# 978  KotFAQ
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From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Parking law
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:00:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University
In-reply-to: ensalada@cats.ucsc.edu's message of 7 Oct 92 00:00:16 GMT

If (in your state) the vehicle is registered for on-street operation,
and the roads you are using it on are public roads: you have a case.
If the lands are private property or if this is an off-road vehicle, I
don't know if you can the park managers how to run their business.
--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>         MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."
From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Why is my face shield so scratched so soon?
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Date: 7 Oct 1992 01:22:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62003.student.cwru.edu

In article <1992Oct6.215813.12638@microunity.com>, ericm@microunity.com
(Eric Murray) wrote:
> 
> 
> >and/or what I should replace it with?
> 
> I'm gonna replace mine with a Shoei RF200.

Funny, that's what I replaced mine with.  Scratch problem went away.
Doesn't seem to lift at the less legal speeds either.

--
> Eric Murray   ericm@microunity.com   Ride fast, die young, wear black leather.

| Dean Cookson / dbc@po.cwru.edu / 216 754-1834 | DoD #207  AMA #573534|
| Case Western Reserve U. Computer E. and Sci.  | KotNML  /  KotB      |
| "You can lead the house to order, but you     | '81 CB750C           |
| can't make it think"  -William Weld (Gov. Ma.)| '88 Bianchi Limited  |
From: turner@rastaman.llnl.gov (David Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Info wanted -- Honda CM400
Keywords: short bike list
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:54:00 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Originator: turner@rastaman.llnl.gov

Well, every couple months I post something asking about short bikes for my 
wife's First Bike; maybe someday we'll actually buy one.  Today's topic is
early 1980's Honda CM400's.  According to the Official DoD Short Bike List,
the 1980 CM400E and CM400T have seat heights of 29.5".  Not the shortest, but
probably short enough.  They are also described as "standards".  However, it
seems that the ones I've seen have stepped seats and pull-back bars -- the
wimpy cruiser look.  So, help me out.  What are the differences between the
E model and the T model?  Are they standards, or cruisers?

Bonus Points:  What are the differences between the Honda CL and CM bikes?  Is
it just evolution?

Extra Bonus Points:  I've always liked the looks of the CB400/4 (sp?).  A 
sporty early-mid-70's 400cc 4-cylinder Honda with beautiful headers.  I think 
they have become somewhat collectable now.  Anyone know the seat height?

Thanks for your help...the check's in the mail...later...DT

------------
David Turner
dturner@llnl.gov -OR- turner@rastaman.llnl.gov
(510) 422-1162   
'82 VF750S    DoD#0373
Disclaimer:  All opinions are mine.  None are theirs.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Harley Fashionable == Deaths
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:09:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.175309.18471@spdc.ti.com>, achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach) writes:
> IMO, the Sporty is a far better first bike than most Japanese middleweights.
> [deleted]
> The four cylinders are so smooth, ....[deleted]
      ^^^^
I guesss that includes the two master cylinders for the brakes?

> You've really got to work to make a 
> Harley hustle, and it takes a serious squeeze to clamp the binders.

Maybe you need to workout.  My Harley does the hustle whenever I whack open
the throttle and it comes to a quick halt whenever I apply mild pressure to
the brakes.  I think it takes more effort to open a twist-off beer than
to haul my Harley from 80 down to a stop...

- Roid
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: full face DoD?
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:04:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.050058.6787@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
}But my real gripe isn't that I ate some sand, but that the helmet didn't
}do a darn thing to help. I faithfully wear the thing for years, and the
}one time I needed it, I just happened to land in the one position that
}renders an open face helmet completely useless.

My Dad used to ride when I was little, and one day he and a friend
took dirt bikes out to the cow pasture to run around. He did a face
plant, and came back absolutely covered with fresh manure, including
coverage over more than 50% of his face shield.

I knew years ago what kind of helmet *I* was going to wear.
-- 
Curtis Jackson		cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	(415) 962 4905
USPA #A-10080 (lapsed)				DoD #721  '81 Maxim 650
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: nejohnso@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Neal Johnson)
Subject: Blue over blue pipes
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:37:00 GMT





I have noticed that the chrome pipes on many motos are blue.  How
do they get that way, and how can I avoid it?  I have heard the
following causes, please confirm or deny:

- fuel mixture too lean

- idling stationary (if true, how long can I idle before they
  turn blue?)

Thanks for your advise.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: Drinking & Helmets
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 06:06:17 GMT

In article <973@amtfocus.amt.gss.mot.com> jimwy@amtfocus.amt.gss.mot.com (Jim Wygralak) writes:
>alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Sep22.171217.26263@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) writes:
>>> Rec.motos Rule #73, all threads shall eventually get round to beer or helemets.
>>I'd drink to that, but this damned face shield is in the way.
>
>I ran into this very problem last weekend.
>Before I took off an an hour long ride to a buddie's place,
>I stuffed a 16oz bottle of soda in my pocket, with the intent of
>sipping on it while waiting at stoplights along the way.
>
>It wasnt till I was sitting in traffic about half way there and
>pulled the bottle out that I realized that my Shoei RF200 full face
>helmet made drinking from a bottle pretty much impossible.
>
>Has anyone come up with any clever solutions to enable them to
>consume liquid refreshments while suited up?
>

Why do you think the BMW System helmets have a flip up jaw portion?


Charlie Smith    csmith@dsac.dla.mil  charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers# 411, BK Ohio V 
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff. 
             {  Friends don't let friends ride Japanese bikes  }
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer)
Subject: Re: Mounting radar detectors on bikes
Organization: Texas Instruments Information Technology Group    Plano TX
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:35:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.141351.12956@eye.com> jesse@eye.com (Jesse Lackey) writes:
>Well I just got an old escort detector and I want to put it on my bike.  But
>where and how?  Unfortunately, I think this is their first model so it is large
>and encased in metal so it is too big and heavy to go above the turn signal/
>brake light/neutral indicators.  I have been thinking of mounting it somehow
>to the frame in front of the engine, above the front wheel.  But I worry about
>vibration - talk about a torture test for a pc board!  And what about rain?
>
>So I know some of you out there must have detectors on your bikes.  And I'd
>sure like to hear how you did it....
>

I had the same dilemma.  How to mount an old Escort on the bike.  You're
right, they are extremely big & heavy, especially compared to today's
standards.  My plan was to mount the beast inside my fairing, after ripping
the guts out of the case.  The only problem was I never was able to figure
out how to open the beast, without possibly destroying it.

My solution, go buy a new 3band radar detector & velcro it above the
stereo.  More expensive, but definately more practical.

-- 
Keith Schauer		Texas Instruments	Plain O, Texas
80 CB900 Custom		
DoD #0901		In an insane society, the sane man must appear insane.
			My company disavows any knowledge of my actions.
From: kenm@array.com (Ken Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Asking DoD? stupid, how about AMA??
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:02:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Array Microsystems, Colorado Springs, CO. USA
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Ravi Narayan - Mick (ravi@maxine.wpi.edu) wrote:
: In a previous article, kenm@array.com (Ken Murphy) said:
: :- ravi@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan - Mick) writes:
: :- : In a previous article, robf@pacifier.rain.com (Rob Fulwell) said:
: :- : :- How about: How do I get an AMA #?  Is there a membership
: :- : :- fee?  Neat patches, stickers etc., moto news?
: :- : :- 
: :- : 
: :- : 	depends... are you a doctor? a medicine man? a quack? yeah, i
: :- : 	hear they have neat patches... leftovers from failed skin graft
: :- : 	operations. i dont think they have any moto-news though.
: :-                                             ^^^^^^^^^
: :- 					       American Motorcyclist kinda 
                                                                     ^^^^^-
: :- 					       qualifies...               |
: :-                                                                      |
:                                                                         |
: 	senility is fast catching up on me. i was under the impression    |
: 	that the gentleman was seeking information regarding the          |
: 	American Medical Association, which i am sure has no connection   |
: 	whatsoever with "American Motorcyclist"... which is published by  |
: 	i think by an organization called the American Motorcycle         |
: 	Association. i don't see where you make the connection! could     |
: 	you clarify? -----------------------------------------------------|
    
    ummmmm, ever hear the phrase public burden? 

: 


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