From: acsormd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Randall Desmond)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,soc.rights.human,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Islamic Fundamentalism in Egypt Targets Christians as it Did Jews
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:27:00 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,soc.rights.human,alt.discrimination
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In article <1992Aug27.225613.18692@bony1.bony.com>, jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes...
> 
>Christians in Egypt today are suffering very much the same kind of
>discrimination and terror that was used to drive the Jews from Arab
>states and take their property.  The use of small arms among Islamic
>groups to re-define property ownership is well-known to Jews who
>survived similar attacks and fled to Israel. 

	Could a Jew, who this is well known to, tell me about these
	"Islamic" groups that "re-define property ownership" and give 
	references (independent source please)?

[from the Times article]
> 
> 
>Coptic Christians, who number 7 million to 8 million people of Egypt's
>56 million people and belong to one of the oldest denominations in
>Christendom, have become the victims of an increasingly violent
>campaign waged by Islamic militants who want to create a state ruled
>according to strict interpretations of Islamic law.

	Is this a run-on sentance?

	In any case, if these militant actions are occurring, it sure
	ain't in the realm of Islamic law. Sounds like the author
	created a oxymoron and some propagation.

>The sectarian violence, which is creeping into Christian neighborhoods
>in Cairo, eerily resembles the successful drive by Muslim leaders to
>drive Jews from the Arab world three and four decades ago.

	A Christian Arab, teaching my Arabic class, said that they
	are building a big place where, under the same roof, Chrisitians,
	Jews, and Muslims can pray. Oh yeah, he said this was in Cairo.

>Egyptian officials also contend that some 2,500 fundamentalists have
>recently infiltrated southern Egypt from the Sudan.

	"Fundamentalist" is a term used quite awkwardly. Sudan is the 
	poorest "Islamic" country. Maybe they need food.

>"If the government had acted earlier then we would not be facing the
>crisis we have today," said a Christian member of Parliament, who
>asked to remain unidentified. 

	Why unidentified? He's probably on the black list anyway, right?

>The grinding poverty and lack of basic services mean that most people
>are unable to school their children or find adequate health care.

	Are you trying to link this fact to militant people?
	Come one. Egypt is a desert, except near the Nile. They 
	aren't exactly rich ya know.

>The lack of gevernment involvement has left a vacuum the
>fundamentalists, most allied with an organization know as the Islamic
>Group, have rushed to fill.  Bearded militants dole out small
>quantities of food and money to poor Muslims.

	"bearded militants" Ha, ha, ha.... This article is a joke!

>Younis Zaki Ashamalla, 35, a farmer, slowly picked through his gutted
>home at the edge of the village.  A dozen fundamentalists broke into
>his house last month when he was in the fields.  They beat his wife
>with  sticks and poured gasoline over the furnishings before setting
>the house ablaze.

	If this is true, they aren't "fundamentalist". A Muslim
	is taught to respect property rights, and the views of others.
	If this guy knew anything about Islam he should know that
	a militant Arab is not a "fundamentalist". 

>"They screamed that there is no God but God, and that the Jews and
>Christians were infidels," his wife said.  "Before they left, they
>slashed me with a knife.  We lost everything, even our chickens.  Now
>we are living with a neighbor while we try to get money to leave."

	There is a concept in Islam called "fear of Allah". Muslims
	can not do what you said and claim they are acting according 
	to Islam. Do you really think anyone would want to embrace such 
	a faith as you describe? I wouldn't. Yet, I'm a Muslim. In fact
	I became one last year. This guy is wrong to the core.

>-- 
>Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com               Pat Paulsen for President
>American-Occupied New York                    This year he has a real chance!
>My opinions only - employer has no opinions.

	Jake ...I got your name... I'm watching... I'm a fundy... ;)
	Are you so scared of other cultures, races and religions that
	you have to create strife below to stay on top?

	I realize this follow-up was a waste of time, if anyone is honest
	about the content of the original post I'm sure they will agree
	with me.

	I hate your post, Jake. Maybe I'll highjack the next plane your
	on...;) COME ON! DO SOME REAL RESEARCH, AND QUICK GIVING GOOD
	PEOPLE BAD RAPS!!

	Peace to all who believe in the Day of Judgement,

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