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From: ijeff@alfred.carleton.ca (Ian Jefferson)
Subject: Re: New SUN's, Bad news for NeXT?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:02:15 GMT


Interesting comments.  I agree that the new SUNS do look interesting but...

I use (every day) Silicon Graphics PI's and Indigo's, Sun SSII's, PC's and
my NeXT.  From the point of view of linpack and specmarks it is true that
NeXT looks weak, but consider how a PC compares.  

What is the spec rating of a state of the are 486 PC? Well there isn't one
cause the spec ratings don't run there at all.  But just from seat of the 
pants feel you can tell that a NeXT is faster!

NeXT is still where it hase alway been between a personal computer and the 
state of the art eingineering workstation. What matters to me is that I can
use the NeXT to replace my PC,(or mac) and my SUN with one box.  Consider 
when you go out to buy your SUN how you are going to copy files onto the 
floppy disk. (mkfs ? mount as root?)  Or how you could compose a simple 
note with some nice fonts.  Or check the spelling in a mail message. I wish
I could do this now, but since I'm using a SUN I'd have to go an buy all
that stuff before I could begin to try to do that .

It is the usability + power of the NeXT that makes it so good not one or the 
other.  If you dissect the feature set of a NeXT, then feature by feature you
can find *A* machine with a better implementation of that feature. BUT try
to find another machine with all of these good things in ONE and only ONE
package and that package will be BLACK!

Of course this dosn't mean that I wouldn't like a faster machine :-)



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From: mike@starburst.umd.edu (Michael F. Santangelo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: 14.4 Data/FAX modems
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:25:27 GMT

Well, someone in this thread said that Class 1 FAX MODEMs were 'unusable'.
Wonderful.  I just bought a DSI Scout+ V.42bis MODEM with send/receive
FAX at Class 1.  When I couldn't get it to work with the 'class 2'
FAX driver on NS2.2 on my turbo slab, I called DSI (Digicomm Systems Inc,
they who make this MODEM).  They said that class 2 wasn't CCITT ratified
at all yet and they were waiting for this to happen before offering up
new ROMs for this MODEM to do it.  If this is the case, why has NeXT
used a standard that isn't yet?  Sounds like the only 3rd party MODEM
out there doing this is the more expensive ZyXel MODEM.

Please comment.  Anyway to write a 'class 1' driver for NeXTStep's
PrintManager program to configure such a MODEM with?

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From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch)
Subject: Re: DSP problem
Organization: P & L Systems
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:24:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.183938.16496@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
rick@indeed.stanford.edu (Rick Stanley Francis) writes:
> Yes, however I was able to run the DSP examples (ie have the DSP add two  
> numbers) which talk to the DSP directly.  However, anything that uses  
the  
> sound kit won't work.   Oddly enough the preferences for sound has the  
> sound mute box checked (and it will not uncheck it).  I'm wondering if  
> this could have anything to do with the fact that I used the 3.0  
> UpgratePrep (I believe that it pathes the kernal to allow one to deal  
with  
> a unix file system on a CD ROM), but I haven't installed 3.0 yet.

Yes.  UpgradePrep kills your sound.  You can back it out (effectively)  
with old copies of /sdmach, /usr/lib/NextStep/Windowserver, and  
/usr/lib/NextStep/PS.VM.

Paul
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From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola)
Subject: Re: Amiga / Mac and NeXTStep..
Reply-To: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 19:43:02 GMT

Allen B writes
> I do think that NeXTstep '486 will be widely stolen,
> however. 

They probably will, and it may be one of the best things to happen to  
NeXT.  Lotus 123 and WP are two of the most frequently pirated apps  
around, and look at what it did for them.
I'm sure there's a whole lot of NeXT developers salivating at the  
thought of zillions of PCs running NS486, whether legit copies or  
not....
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From: midiapolis@cup.portal.com (Gerard Thomas Schwarz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Icons, Icons, & more icons...
Date: Sat,  7 Nov 92 23:45:39 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

There've been quite a few postings lately regarding Icon,
IconBuilder, etc.  We have a product we are releasing
on November 16th that we hope will help out in its
small part with the problem - ArtBursts: Icons+.
ArtBursts: Icons+ is a large collection of icons for
NeXTstep (4094 at last count) in the categories of:

   Communication - including fax, mail, & telephone icons.
   Computers - including icons for Macintosh, NeXT,
      output, PC, and storage.
   Cursors - including arrows, centering, directions, graphics,
                   hands, help, links, text, time, and zooming icons.
   Directions - including arrows of all shapes and sizes
   FileManage - including icons for file formats, files, and folders.
   Graphics - including bits, color channels, crop marks,
                     gradations, graphing, grids, line patterns, shapes,
                     and tools.
   Keyboard - includes key sets and various button commands.
   Multimedia - including music, sound, transport controls,
                     and video icons. 
   System - including icons for many folders on the NeXT system.
   Text - including alignment, columning, font, margins,
                     spacing, tab icons.
   and Various which includes many others that don't fit the
                     above categories.

ArtBursts: Icons+ allows users to quickly find and use pre-made
icons for use in designing program interfaces. Though it won't fit
the bill for those who need to  design their main application icons
like a pixel-editing application will  - it should greatly help out for
those times when you don't want to have spend all your time
creating icons when prototyping.


Gerard T. Schwarz   President,  MIDIapolis Systems
                                 612-822-1604   midiapolis@cup.portal.com
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From: wave@waits.media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson)
Subject: pressure sensitivity (or lack thereof) (was Kodak Photo CD)
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 01:31:47 GMT

Jeff Adams writes
> In article <1992Nov5.173220.26980@news.media.mit.edu>  
wave@waits.media.mit.edu  
> (Michael B. Johnson) writes:
> 
> >... between no real Wacom support and no easy way to import images  
> > from PhotoCD, a NeXT running Appsoft Image is not looking as nice an  
> > alternative to a souped up Quadra running Fractal Paint and PhotoShop.  I'm  
> > bummin', because the combination of a color NeXT with a Wacom tablet...had  
me 
> > salivating, but real reality (no pressure support in Image and  
> > no Photo CD support) is beginning to dawn...
> > 
> 
> Could you explain what you mean by no real Wacom tablet support??  Wacom  
> tablets worked with my NeXTstation color in NeXTSTEP 2.1 and now in NeXTSTEP  
> 3.0 pressure sensitivity is supported AND there is a demo app to show you how  
> to make use of this great feature.  Now it is simply up to third party apps  
to  
> support this.

Sure, I'd be happy to explain.  Note exactly what I said: "no pressure support  
in Image".  Yes, pressure sensitivity is well supported in NeXTStep 3.0 (thanks  
Peter!).  It's now up to applications to support it.  Stone Design is  
supporting it in Create 3.0 (when it ships) and Altsys is already supporting it  
in Virtuoso 1.0 (which has shipped).  Appsoft Image, arguably the program most  
obviously screaming for pressure sensitive support, will not have pressure  
sensitive support in 1.0 (scheduled to ship next Friday) and the word from  
Appsoft seems to be that pressure sensitive support will not be added to the  
app until 2.0.  Boo!!


Hope that clears things up.

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From: hinds@leland.Stanford.EDU (Alexander Hinds)
Subject: Re: FAX modems (again!) - Turbo Modem
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 20:58:42 GMT

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In article <1992Nov6.010458.27877@venice.sedd.trw.com> verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) writes:
>Alexander Hinds (hinds@camis.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
>: I purchased a really cheap 14.4 .42bis modem at Fry's the other day.  It claims to have to GroupIII FAX compatability, but when I tried it with NeXT's classII driver or Interfax driver (really the same, I realize) I get the following error:
>: 
>: 	!! No such device: !! Wakeup Pipe
>: 	(on the console)
>: 
>: I'm really confused.  Does NeXT's driver not support all classII devices (and by extension classIII drivers)?  have I done something wrong?  I checked
>: /usr/lib/NextPrinter and sure enough the driver is there...
>
>Group III is the spec for how the image bits are transmitted between two
>fax machines/modems. Class 2 is the spec for how the computer talks to
>the modem (think of "AT" command set). They are specs that cover
>two separate portions of the problem. Your modem probably supports the
>class 1 interface spec and, therefore, can't be used with the NeXT.
>
>Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok)

Paul,
	Thanks for the followup, and I wish this were the problem, but the manual also claims that the modem supports the EIA class 2 spec.  I called their
tech support number and they people there know less than I do.

--X



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From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold)
Subject: Re: Kodak Photo CD
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 14:14:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.044436.20131@seas.smu.edu> dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.095921.19610@alf.uib.no> edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov5.171420.18531@news.acns.nwu.edu> garyc@lenny.acns.nwu.edu writes:
>>>In article <1992Nov5.074234.6889@ulrik.uio.no> stein@sionext.uio.no (Stein  
>>>Onsrud) writes:
>>
>>Regarding software - I just received in the mail a PhotoCD reader
>>App, but until my machine is up (about a week, I hope) I won't
>>be able to test it.  Sorry :-(
>>
>>Regards,
>>Thor
>>NorNeXT user group leader
>>edmtl@fiol.uib.no (NeXTmail O.K.)
>>edmtl@alf.uib.no (did you hit 'r'?  Then use ASCII mail...)
>>
>>
>
>Are you referring to the current batch of existing CDROM drives or are you
>referring to a new/unreleased CDROM drive?  Also, where did you find a 

Current batch.  At least the one I have is _supposed_ to work...
I should be up NeXT week (ordered the drive today :-), I'll let everyone know.


>photoCDreader?  If the NeXT CDROM dirve that I received a month or two ago
>can do PhotoCDs, then that would be the a well deserved peice of good news.

According to my NeXTrep, that is so.  Do you have any PhotoCD's to test it on?

>
>David
>dleon@seas.smu.edu
>

The program I have is NOT a Reader.app (sorry for the mix up), it merely
converts PhotoCD images to portable pixmap format (pbm plus util format)
so you can use it in other things (can you say tiff? :-)

It is freely distributeable but not PD.  It is called hpcdtoppm.

Regards,
Thor

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From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
Subject: Re: Graduate Schools
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:52:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.213947.1013@frogware.com> root @frogware.com(Operator) writes:
>I'm currently exploring my options. I'd prefer to attend a school with at least  
>some NeXT presence, any recommendations??


	Here at maryland (UofMD@college Park) we have a large number of slabs
	in several computer labs.  I don't know how they're used in the CSC
	program, though..



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From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Glowing Article on NS 3.0 in UnixWorld
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:26:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.BxMp93.GDF
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Alex Raftis writes:

>Jonathan L Neuenschwander writes
>>
>>Now the last time I saw the FAQ relating to NeXTStep486, it said that there
>>wouldn't be any support for for DOS/Windows initially, something I always
>>viewed as being a potentially fatal flaw.  So did UnixWorld mess up, or WILL 
>>it be possible to run DOS/Windows?
>>

>There probably won't be native support in the OS, but note, you can run
>multiple DOS and Windows sessions on your NeXT now, just by SoftPC. I 

Incorrect. The NS 486 Q&A posted here recently as well as sent to
many people by Conrad Geiger says that DOS and Windows apps will be
supported natively. (well, it implies it I guess, but I have heard
that they will be support natively by NeXT people)

-- 
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From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
Subject: Re: NeXT edu CD-ROM (WasWhat happened to NeXTOnCampus?)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 06:22:28 GMT

spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes:

>Dean Johnson writes
>>... I just received my copy of the NeXT  
>> Educational CD-ROM ...	     

>Speaking of which, how does one get one?  Are they shipped  
>automatically to all edu buyers of NeXTs or does one have to request  
>it?  Is there a fee?

Yes, you can order it for <$10 I think ($7.95 maybe) from
1-800-TRY-NeXT.  
They will not be shipped to every edu customer automatically as I
understand it.
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From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Glowing Article on NS 3.0 in UnixWorld
Date: 11 Nov 92 03:11:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: zeus.1992Nov11.031131.150747
Reply-To: mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <1992Nov10.144142.27891@dvorak.amd.com>  
rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) writes:
> In article <jonathan.721383969@author.ecn.purdue.edu>  
> jonathan@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Jonathan L Neuenschwander) writes:
> >>I recently picked up the November issue of UnixWorld, and was  
pleasantly
> >>surprised by the optimistic and upbeat review of NextStep 3.0.  It is  
in the
> >>"Product of the Month" column even!  Nice change from the general  
NeXT-had-
> >>some-good-ideas-too-bad-they're-doomed fare I'm used to seeing.
> >>
> >>One thing in the article did catch me by surprise though.  In the  
first 
> >>column, fourth paragraph, in reference to NeXTStep486 it states;
> >>
> >>"Next [They don't seem to like the caps in NeXT.  Oh, well.] also says  
that
> >>the version will let users run multiple Microsoft Windows and DOS  
sessions
> >>inside Nextstep windows."
> >>
> >>Now the last time I saw the FAQ relating to NeXTStep486, it said that  
there
> >>wouldn't be any support for for DOS/Windows initially, something I  
always
> >>viewed as being a potentially fatal flaw.  So did UnixWorld mess up,  
or WILL 
> >>it be possible to run DOS/Windows?
> 
> The keyword here is *WILL* - as in the future.  And yes...it WILL allow  
this  
> capability - some day :-)  Journalists - tricky bunch 'a folks you know.
> 
> --
> Ronald Pomeroy - Smalltalk/NeXT psuedo neophyte
> Advanced Micro Devices
> CAM Applications Group
> rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (NeXTmail preferred)


YES NeXTSTEP 486 will run DOS/Windows 3.1 apps.  Yes this is from NeXT not  
Insignia.  No they will not be rootless initally and by the end of 93 NS  
486 will run Win32/NT apps.  The question they haven't answered is whether  
or not it will be standard or an option.  I for one don't care if it is an  
option or not.

This information comes from Bob Lawton's demo of NS486 at the Sep. BaNG  
meeting and an info sheet put out by NeXT.  If I have mis-remembered  
anything please feel free to correct me.

P.S.  I dream that if I have to program in DOS/Windows that I will do it  
w/ Borland's C++ under NeXTSTEP.  The irony is too much to resist.

--
-Mont

   NeXTmail OK :-)
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From: blenko-tom@CS.YALE.EDU (Tom M. Blenko)
Subject: Re: NeXT edu CD-ROM (WasWhat happened to NeXTOnCampus?)
Reply-To: blenko-tom@cs.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:39:04 GMT



| >>... I just received my copy of the NeXT Educational CD-ROM ...	     
| 
| >Speaking of which, how does one get one?  Are they shipped  
| >automatically to all edu buyers of NeXTs or does one have to request  
| >it?  Is there a fee?
| 
| Yes, you can order it for <$10 I think ($7.95 maybe) from
| 1-800-TRY-NeXT.  
| They will not be shipped to every edu customer automatically as I
| understand it.

I just ordered it. $25 plus tax.

	Tom
From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch)
Subject: Re: adding file suffix
Organization: P & L Systems
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 07:32:45 GMT

In article <721285254.AA00000@blkcat.UUCP>  
David.Gursky@p394.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (David Gursky) writes:
> How about moving them all into a single sub-directory, opening a  
terminal shell,
> moving to the aforementioned directory, and using a command to the  
effect of "mv
> * *.tiff"

Bad move.  This is an excellent way to lose a lot of files.  Please use  
one of the foreach methods described earlier.

Paul
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From: mek@guinan.psu.edu (Mark E. Kotanchek)
Subject: Re: MATLAB (the missing piece)
Organization: Penn State Center for Academic Computing
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 16:48:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.002052.6739@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>  
sherwood@space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford) writes:
> > SOMEBODY explain to me why Waterloo was willing to port Maple to the  
> NeXT  
> > to compete with Mathematica and NOBODY is willing to port or develop  
> a  
> > numerical mathematics package for NeXTstep?? Could SOMEBODY also  
> explain  
> > to me why an outfit that has a guy like R.E. Crandall on staff can  
> allow  
> > this situation to persist?
> > 
> 
> One rumour I heard was that Next lost a 200 machine sale to some  
> university because Maple wasn't available.  Next reps banged on  
> Waterloo's door, and made them an offer they couldn't refuse.

NeXT has lost a hell of a lot more than 200 sales because they have  
inadequate numerical tools. I got my NeXTstation a year-and-a-half ago and  
although everybody goes, "Wow, neat",  at least 5 Suns in my department of  
30 people alone! The primary reason for not going with NeXT was the  
absence of MATLAB--which is sort of a "corporate standard" here at ARL/PSU  
(although, I actually prefer MATRIXx).

aargh,

Mark.
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P.O. Box 30
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From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Distinguishing 3.0 binaries
Date: 11 Nov 1992 18:59:29 GMT
Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting
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In article <1992Nov11.022044.9702@nevada.edu> oliverm@nevada.edu (Moises Oliveira) writes:
>Note that the version number is up to 57 and 55, and a new library libMedia
>has been added.

My search for documentation on this new libMedia has turned up nothing.  I've
removed it from my apps to speed up gdb startup with no apparent ill effects.
Looking at it in emacs seems to suggest a lot of Renderman methods/functions.
When it should be included and why is it included by default?
-- 

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From: enders@bolshoi.cc.misu.NoDak.edu (Todd Enders)
Subject: Re: Why, Why, WHYYYY?? USE OBJECTIVE-C for IB??
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 02:32:01 GMT
Reply-To: enders@bolshoi.uucp
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Richard D Warner writes
) 
) 	I'm a developer who just wants to get a product out the door, and
) I'm frustrated about having to learn a new language just to interface with
) IB.  I know you're supposed to be able to insert ANSI or C++ code into IB
) but I haven't been able to yet.  You still need to know what's going on
) with the implementation files (in Objective-C).  It's supposed to
) be "easier", but easier than what???  Why doesn't NeXT come up with a 
) version of IB written for C++?  
)
     Really, the amount of Objective-C one needs to learn to handle the
interface created by the IB is pretty minimal.  A couple of days of work is
about all it takes.  Most things are pretty intuitive, but there are some
pitfalls, like anything else.

     My own personal experience?  I knew neither Obj-C or C++, but I managed
to hook an app to it's interface with minimal hair pulling.  The app itself
is strictly ANSI C, with just enough Obj-C to handle the interface issues.
This was *not* a "hello world" class app, BTW.  Are the Obj-C routines optimal?
Probably not.  Does it work?  You bet!  My suggestion?  Spend the time to learn
the necessary bits, then get your app out the door! :-)

Todd     enders@bolshoi.uucp
         uunet!bolshoi!enders
         enders@bolshoi.cc.misu.nodak.edu
 
> 
> Rich
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