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From: alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Re: HOLOGRAM QUERY
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:45:58 GMT+12
Distribution: world
Organization: Wanganui Amigans, Wanganui, NZ

In article <1992Nov16.103604.165134@dstos3.dsto.gov.au> dme@dstos3.dsto.gov.au (Mark Evans) writes:
>1) If all of the dead Red Dwarf crew are still on the ship why don't
>   they bring back more of the crew as holograms ? In Red Dwarf science
>   can only one hologram exist at a time ? Is their only ONE light bead
>   therfore only ONE hologram ?

Explained in the first episode. Holly only has enough computing power to
generate one hologram at a time. In the last couple of episodes of season 1
they figured out that, if they shut down all unnecessary systems on the ship,
Holly could manage a second hologram. But Rimmer arranged for the second one
to be a duplicate of *him*, and I guess that put the others off the idea of
trying again...

>2) I realise that the Red Dwarf series has all of the regular characters
>   it needs but it seems a bit mean that all of the dead crew have to
>   remain "dead".
>
>3) Why was Rimmer the hologram when it could have been any one of the
>   dead crew ?

Holly claimed that Rimmer was the best companion to keep Lister sane, since
he was the one Lister had the most conversation with -- six million words in
all. Lister pointed out that "three million of them were me telling him to
smeg off, and the other three million were him putting me on report for
telling him to smeg off." This may be one of the reasons why Lister and Cat
have their doubts about Holly's claimed IQ...

>4) I know that holograms can't touch anything so bringing back an Engine
>   Mechanic might seem to be useless but he would certainly be able to
>   tell people what to do.

He certainly does, unfortunately :-)

>5) What happens to Rimmer when he has to recharge his light bead ?

That's "light bee". Dunno ... we know it doesn't have to be physically inside
Rimmer's hologram (otherwise he couldn't walk through things), so maybe it
can plug in and recharge without affecting Rimmer.

>6) A hologram is a dead person in hologram format. Is the only possible step
>   after death to become a hologram i.e hologram status is the equivalent
>   to the so called afterlife ? I take it that once your dead you can come
>   back as a hologram at any time in the future ?

Presumably. After all, Rimmer didn't come back as a hologram until after he'd
been dead for three million years...


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...... Ross Smith (Wanganui, NZ) ...... alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz ......
   Mine is the ship bound for Alpha Centauri
   We must be out of our minds
   For though we are shipmates bound for tomorrow
   Everyone here's flying blind                          (Crystal Gayle)
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From: STUCS204@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090
Subject: Kryten and Rimmer
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:50:31 GMT
Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom

The case may be that a living human ranks over a dead one but Kryten has never
actually *disobeyed* an order given by Rimmer (He's complained to Lister about
the orders but never actually disobeyed them) with only one teeny exception - c
f the portrait he did of Rimmer showing Rimmer half naked.

       ????? please - stucs204@uk.ac.bham.ibm3090 (JANET ADDRESS)
                     stucs204@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk  (INTERNET NUMBER)

                      - aka Richard       #Sorry sir.I'd like to but lunch is#
                                          #on Melanie. - Ace Rimmer          #
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From: jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason)
Subject: Red Dwarf USA..IS IT ON YET?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:29:38 GMT

   
   As a concerned dwarf Fan, ie how are the Americans going to screw up RD,
   has the new series finished production/ been transmitted?
   I heard about htis briefly and I am deeply concerned. After all, since when
   has there been a decent American comedy since Sledgehammer?

   Jason.
From: ensalada@cats.ucsc.edu (Kevin Charles Rubio)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Re: RD Series II Episode 2 Script - REPOST
Keywords: script, smeg, dinglebat
Date: 21 Nov 92 04:41:26 GMT
Reply-To: keeper@deeptht.armory.com
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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In article <1992Nov20.161820.10329@lssec.bt.co.uk> msmith@rheya.lssec.bt.co.uk (Martin Smith) writes:
>                Red Dwarf Series II Episode 2 - Better Than Life 
>H:    Three million miles from Earth the mining ship Red Dwarf. Its crew: Dave 

Three million years, you mean.


When they start the game, Rimmer tells Holly to key him in -- that's missing
from the script.

Also, you should probably include mention of when Rimmer's H disappears and
reappears (and also how scruffy he gets when it reappears, with his rotten
teeth and bagged bottle of booze).

Also, when Rimmer as an Admiral leaves the table, he pinches Cat on the
cheek.  This should be mentioned, since it's a bit surprising for Cat
that Rimmer can touch him.

After he fantasises Lister's money away, and says "Help me" he does say
"Please" I think.  Might want to check that.

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From: mcsdc1al@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Re: Are you smegheads for real ??????
Date: 23 Nov 92 10:47:35 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov23.101541.1671@dct.ac.uk>, mcsdc1pf@dct.ac.uk (ACE) writes:
> Greetings:
> 
> Having read thro' the entire contents of this newsgroup I have one
> 
> comment to make ............. 'SAD!'
> 
> It's all very well to debate things, but turning it into a major
> 
> discussion of how the actors and authors think is going just a little
> 
> too far. As I recall, Craig did an interview after the second series
> 
> Wogan I think, and was asked what he thought of the Series, he replied
> 
> great fun to do, a good laugh etc. But he was not interested in discussing it
> 
> further than that, it was of secondary importance to his carrer as a poet !
> 
> This newsgroup is turning into a farce (like the prisoner) trust the 
> 
> americans to screw it up !!! (Dear John is another case in point) I'll bet
> 
> the American RD is all a load of SMEG!! which is a scouse word, so you can
> 
> guess who brought it to the series.
> 
> Wouldn't be surprised if the BBC bought the us version and showed it to us !!
> 
> the've done it before !!!
> 
> PS I love watching the program, but come on let's keep it sensible from
> 
> now on yes?
> 
> Right enough flaming, answers, hate mail etc on a postcard please to:
> 
> ACE
> Smoke me a kipper, Skipper !!!
> MCSDC1PF@DUNDEE-TECH.AC.UK
> 
> Go-on I dare you !!!
> 

Ace, for once you're right.  No offence to our transatlantic buddies, but the
Americans are notorious for producing very very very bad comedy programs when
it suits them.  
    Take "Dear John" for instance.  The UK version was excellent particularly
the fine scripts not to mention superb general characterisation.  The USA remix
was an appaling blight upon humanity.  Especially Kirk who went from being a
genuinely sad character, putting up a front of macho strength while actually
being a lonely mummy's boy to actually being the hard-man stud he pretended to
be.  Once again the Americanshad lost the thread.
    And RD is such a tenuous thing anyway, easily lost given the Yank's
penchant for going right overboard.  

PS.  I know Americans have also produced Woody Allen, Cheers, MASH etc, but
you've also come up with Police Academy and Empty Nest...so there!



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From: rns@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Robert Noel STURROCK)
Subject: Re: Red Dwarf USA..IS IT ON YET?
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:22:32 GMT

jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason) writes:

>   
>   As a concerned dwarf Fan, ie how are the Americans going to screw up RD,
>   has the new series finished production/ been transmitted?
>   I heard about htis briefly and I am deeply concerned. After all, since when
>   has there been a decent American comedy since Sledgehammer?

You mean since "Get Smart".  That is the only decent one I can ever
recall seeing.



Rob
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From: gbeer@leven.appcomp.utas.edu.au (Gabrielle Beer)
Subject: Re: HOLOGRAM QUERY
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 07:32:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.103604.165134@dstos3.dsto.gov.au>, dme@dstos3.dsto.gov.au (Mark Evans) writes:
>
>I have a question about Rimmer the hologram. 
>
>1) If all of the dead Red Dwarf crew are still on the ship why don't
>   they bring back more of the crew as holograms ? In Red Dwarf science
>   can only one hologram exist at a time ? Is their only ONE light bead 
>   therfore only ONE hologram ?

It's not that there's only one light BEE it's that it takes so much
computer processing time (40%?) and power (??seconds = enough power
to light Paris for 2?years)to generate a hologram.  It's not economic to have
more than one hologram at a time.
 
>3) Why was Rimmer the hologram when it could have been any one of the
>   dead crew ?

He's the person most likely (according to Holly) to kept Lister sane on
the long journey back to Earth.

>5) What happens to Rimmer when he has to recharge his light bead ?

He doesn't he runs on mains ;-) He only runs on batteries when Holly is
out of commission (White Hole & Demons & Angels showed this)

>6) A hologram is a dead person in hologram format. Is the only possible step
>   after death to become a hologram i.e hologram status is the equivalent
>   to the so called afterlife ? I take it that once your dead you can come
>   back as a hologram at any time in the future ?

Nope. According to the book "Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers" holograms
are only able to be created for people who are incredibly wealthy & dead or
are crew members of large ships & indepensible/highly ranking & dead. Again
this is because of the expense of maintaining them.

I can highly recommend reading IWCD for some more clarity on Red Dwarf
stuff in general. It varies a bit from the tv series but it's quite an
amusing read. It also explains how Cat evolved from a normal cat - the part
where catkind discover how to use a can opener is very funny.

Hope this helps
				Gabe
-- 
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	   University of Tasmania at Launceston, Australia
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From: Richard Thomas - STUCS204@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090
Subject: GOOD NEWS FOR ALL HOLLY FANS
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:51:04 GMT
Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom

Cast your mind back three series and you will recall that Holly was male. The a
ctor (Norman Lovett) left R.D to do a pilot comedy show for BBC 2 about an inve
ntor. In this one off , all his inventions were pretty cr*p except this one fly
 swatter. He had this dream where all the flys were alive and ran around trying
 to kill him. ( this may be complete rubbish as it was on yeasrs ago and my mem
ory is poor) Well anyway, nothing more came of it. Until that is very recently.
 I have it on good authority (the latest Smegzene i think) that there will now
be a complete series of this show, with Norman reprising his role.

     Of course us brits have been able to enjoy Norms dulcet tones nearly every
 day for ages now as he does the voice over for the Sugar Puffs comercials (a b
rand of puffed wheat cerial - if you wern't at all sure).

 April,May,June and July fool. We are talking jape of the decade.

 PS although I am currently at Brum Uni, coming from Manchester I was *very* am
used by the NORWEB joke although I'm sure they weren't to happy it. (NORWEB -NO
Rth WEst Electricity Board) and I'm pretty sure that they increased the leccy b
ills just to annoy us....

          Ramblings and Ravings Courtesy of

 Richard Thomas -"would taramasalata really taste that good?"
        stucs204@uk.ac.bham.ibm3090 (JANET)   \ if youre at all interested.
        stucs204@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk (INTERNAT) \    (???????????????????)
From: re@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Roderick Easton)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Re: Orders on Red Dwarf (was Re : Kryten)
Date: 19 Nov 92 10:35:17 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

In article <11031@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk>, jd@cs.strath.ac.uk (John W. Daly) writes:
> In article <920718130740@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk> STUCS204@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090 writes:
> >Although you are quite right in pointing out that Kryten is programmed to follo
> >w orders from Humans he is also programmed to obey orders from the highest rank
> >ing person on the ship, which is Rimmer,even though he is dead (remember being
> >dead is not the career stopper it used to be)
> >
> > thoughts please
> 
> Ok, here`s some of mine!  Although what you have said is theoretically
> correct, Lister has tried long and hard to change this.  Remember the 
> episode where he was encouraging Kryten to lie - what`s this; it`s
> a banana, sir! etc etc. However, if my memory serves me well that
> episode ends up with Kryten beingg able to tell bare faced lies
> and the truth when he wants to.  He tells the pleasure GELF that
> he`ll always be thinking of her and although it breaks his heart
> to see her go she must, aka Gone With The Wind, Red Dwarf style.
> He then proceeds to tell Rimmer he is a total smeg head, the reason
> for which escapes me just now ( probably for being Rimmer :-). Declaring
> to Lister that he can now cheat, lie, insult with the best of them, 
> Lister suggests this could mean the beginning of a long and
> beautiful friendship for which Kryten has another smart quip.  A great
> episode and one which allows Kryten, from thereon, to openly rebel
> against Rimmer.  And why not? 
> 
> John

One of the other uses to which Kryten put his lying was defeating his replacement
robot.  He tells it that there was no Silicon Heaven at which point the superior
robot has a systems failure.  When asked why he didn't have the same problem he
replies 
         "I know something  that he didn't know.  I was lying."

TTFN
Rod
From: u0f98@keele.ac.uk (The Dominator)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Re: Videos - Which series?
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:48:16 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Keele University, England

From vn Mon Nov 16 19:41:05 1992
Subject: Re: Video's - Which Series?
> : -Chris
> 	
> 	Over in the U.K we have got Series 2,3, and 4, with Series 1 on the
> way (hurry up, I want series 1)
You'll have to wait until Feb 93 for series 1 in video according to HMV
	Dominator
From: B.J.Williams@newcastle.ac.uk (Barry Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Re: RED DWARF SERIES 6 ?
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:25:36 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

brown@dgaust.dg.oz (Fred Brown) writes:


>Does anyone know how far into production series 6 is ? Have they
>finished it ? Has it been released in England ?

It's due to be filmed in Febuary and so, in theory, could be broadcast at any
time after that.

Barry.
From: jd@cs.strath.ac.uk (John W. Daly)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Re: is rimmer famous
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:28:12 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

In article <1992Nov16.170104.5622@ugle.unit.no> eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.210233.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, rturnerj@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
> > Is the guy who plays Rimmer someone famous in the UK?  He gets first billing
> > as if he is someone, even though IMHO Lister is a far more interesting and
> > prominent character.  Of course Cat is my favourite.
>
>I think it's alphabetical...  But Wossname Barrie is more generally known than,
>say, Wossname Wossname...  If you see what I mean...
>
Chris Barrie has done quite alot of tv in the UK, albeit indirectly, in the
form of voice impersonations on Spitting Image - a satirical kind of 
Muppets show involving present day politicians and all the stupid everyday 
actions they perform.  But, because people don't see his face he is only
really know for his superb Red Dwarf performances - keep 'em coming Chris :-)

Red Dwarf, basically, made a name for the other guy, who, for the life 
of me, I can't remember his name. Wosshesname Wosshesname will have to do!
The point is I don't think you could swap the actors and roles.  The guy
how plays Lister is, by his own admission, a total slob.  I"m lead to 
believe he actually has a lot in common with his character - he also
comes from Liverpool which might be the connection :-).  The script castors
definetely got it the right way round IMHO.

John
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From: sasse@netcom.com (Ellen Sasse)
Subject: Re: "Lise Yates", Suzanne Rhatigan, Claire Grogan
Keywords: Lise not Lisa
Organization: Netcom
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:24:22 GMT

ijd@doc.ic.ac.uk (Ian James Davies) writes: 

> Renee Ann Byrd writes:
> >	..."Lisa" ("Thanks for the Memory"), 
>
> OK. I've sat through enough. Please can you spell Lise correctly?
>	Or have I been spelling it wrong all along?

Nope, you've got it right, it is Lise. (Check the tombstone and the credits)
Thanks for posting this, I didn't want to nitpick but I've been wanting to
get her name right;-)

ObNewInfo: Lise Yates was played by "Sabra Williams", whoever she is

And, just renewing something interesting that someone posted a while
back, Suzanne Rhatigan who played Kochansky-Camille in "Camille" is
apparently Craig Charles' girlfriend. Does anyone know if he has
gone out with Claire Grogan as well? I always thought it strange that
she left in the middle of an episode. They clearly have a stand-in in
parts of one of the episodes she's in - I think it was Stasis Leak but I
haven't had a chance to check recently. One of the scenes I had in mind
is one where she comes in to a room arm-in-arm with a-future-Lister; it
is clearly not Grogan's build or hair and they had to put the hat at
a strange angle to hide her face so it wasn't as obvious she wasn't
Grogan. Can anyone confirm or deny? Did anyone else notice this?

PS: Sorry if anyone got two copies of this; I cancelled the first
one because it got truncated at the "wasn't as obvious she wasn't"


"To the memory of the memory of Lise Yates"...
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Subject: Query
From: miccjl@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:46:39 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University 

Last night (18/11/92), Melburnians saw Reality??, the episode where the RD crew
are contaminated by a "space-squids" hallucinagenic poison and think that they
have been playing an RD game and they are not the people they think they are.
Anyway, does anyone know if they follow up some of the clues they were given
while hallucinating (eg. Do they check Rimmer's swimming certificate to see if
he is in fact a secret agent?)
Can any Australian RD fans tell me what episodes have been shown and how many
are left?
And to all those who haven't yet - read IWCD and BTL.  They add a new slant to
the series and also explain a few things that the books have in common with RD.

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From: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Re: More Hologrammatic inconsistency
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:23:30 GMT
Reply-To: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, G.M.Suddes@newcastle.ac.uk (Gareth Suddes) says:

>
>>Ummm Isn't Kryton part human?
>                ^
> No, KrytEn is not part human, although his Back to Reality counterpart was. ie
>Jake Bullett, (Cybernautic's Division) or... ("That's traffic control!!!!")
>

But in DNA, Kryten says that part of his brain IS organic. That's
why the machine was able to transmogrify (sp?) him into human form.

-- 
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From: rthoff@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Rude -THE- Dude)
Subject: Re: Holly - Who is he/she???
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 04:35:13 GMT

In article <1eb8hdINN2jb@mercury.kingston.ac.uk>, cs_d604@ceres (David Scutt) writes:
>
>	Can anybody _please_ explain why Holly was a middle-aged balding man
>in Series 1 and Two, and then suddenly had a sex change in Series 3???

well, Dave! If you remember in series one and two Holly has an I.Q. of 6000,
which is quite a bit! and then, at the end of the second series Holly begins to suffer from computer senility. This  causes Holly's I.Q. to drop to 64 hence,   The dumb blonde.
I notice that you have noticed that Holly is in fact a woman now, well as       
we all know women have been hypothesised to be dumber than men hence (gee
I love the word "hence"!) Holly with an I.Q. of 64 is now a woman.

Please do not send me flames about this topic, as it was a friend of mine
why typed this in, and besides he doesn't think ALL women are dumber than men.

Yes that is correct I am a millitant femminist....


Later Dudes,


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From: rns@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Robert Noel STURROCK)
Subject: Re: HOLOGRAM QUERY
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:22:42 GMT

spm@dar.csiro.au (McEWAN Shane) writes:

>dme@dstos3.dsto.gov.au (Mark Evans) writes:
>: I have a question about Rimmer the hologram. In the epsiode "Holoship" in
>: series five Rimmer decides to join the crew of the Holoship so the Red
>: Dwarf crew decide to bring back a member of the dead crew as a hologram
>: to replace Rimmer. 
>: 
>: QUESTIONS
>: ---------
>: 
>: 1) If all of the dead Red Dwarf crew are still on the ship why don't
>:    they bring back more of the crew as holograms ? In Red Dwarf science
>:    can only one hologram exist at a time ? Is their only ONE light bead 
>:    therfore only ONE hologram ?

>Due to the computing power needed to generate a hologram, Red Dwarf can only
>support one hologram.

I find Rimmer's hologramatic status a little bit inconsistent to say
the least.  In one episode, "HoloShip", Rimmer tries to get himself
recruited by a ship full of holograms.  But when he returns to Red
Dwarf, he finds another member of the dead crew has been hologramised(?)
to take his place.  They are both present on the deck at the same time.
How can that be?

>: 2) I realise that the Red Dwarf series has all of the regular characters
>:    it needs but it seems a bit mean that all of the dead crew have to
>:    remain "dead".

>That's life....er....death......whatever. Plus, I think Rimmer had one of the
>skutters hide all of the other hologram discs so that Lister wouldn't turn him
>off and replace him with someone else.

In the light of the above-mentioned epside, that would seem unlikely.

But who cares?  Half the fun of the show is its improbability! :-)


Rob
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