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From: leichter@lrw.com (Jerry Leichter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: re: help needed with directory problem
Date: 16 Aug 92 15:22:44 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


	I have a user who currently cannot receive any mail.  The error
	message when PMDF tries to send mail to the user's account is:
	-RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed
	-SYSTEM-W-DIRALLOC, allocation failure on directory file

	His mail directory has 560 files in it.  What do I need to do to fix
	this?  I tried creating a new directory and copying his mail files to
	it (via COPY and via BACKUP).  Both of these attempts failed, giving
	the same error as above on the new directory. 

Well, the most obvious possibility is that there is no free space on the disk!
Assuming that you've checked for that, your problem is almost certainly due to
disk free-space fragmentation.  Directory files have to be contiguous.  A MAIL
directory file containing 560 files would be about 54 blocks long, assuming it
doesn't contain a lot of wasted space.  (There's no magic in my coming up with
this estimate - my own MAIL subdirectory file contains 466 files at the
moment!  The exact value varies depending on disk cluster size - 3, in my case
- and on how many files within that were once in the directory have been
deleted - and exactly where in the directory their names fell.)  The code that
increases the size of a directory seems to roughly double it.  So you'd need
about 100 blocks of contiguous file space.

The only possible fix is to get some more contiguous space.  Either use an
on-line defragmenter, or an image backup/restore.

For a short-term fix, find some old, large file to delete - or simply copy it,
then delete the original.  An old file is probably contiguous or close to
contiguous; any copy you make will not be contiguous, but when you delete the
original, you will instantly have a whole bunch of contiguous free space, at
least for a little while.
							-- Jerry
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (Stafford)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: help needed with directory problem
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:27:07 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.vms
Organization: msus

In article <1992Aug15.014042.14635@ecst.csuchico.edu>,
rgoldstone@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (Robin, Girl Wonder) wrote:
> 
> I have a user who currently cannot receive any mail.  The error message
> when PMDF tries to send mail to the user's account is:
> -RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed
> -SYSTEM-W-DIRALLOC, allocation failure on directory file
> 
> His mail directory has 560 files in it.  What do I need to do to fix this?
> I tried creating a new directory and copying his mail files to it (via COPY
> and via BACKUP).  Both of these attempts failed, giving the same error as above
> on the new directory. 
> 
> Sorry if this is a RTFM question.  I am out of town and just dialed in to 
> check on the VAX and found this error.  My FM's are not handy.  8-)
> 

	Check the size of the directory entry itself.  If it over 127, then
you may have a problem right there.
From: orlandini@heavax.gsfc.nasa.gov (Mauro Orlandini)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Number of users logged on a cluster member
Keywords: DCL
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:52:00 GMT
Organization: NASA/GSFC Laboratory for High Energy Astrophysics
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Is there a way to extract the number of users currently logged on a cluster
member from a DCL script (The number given by a show user command) ?
I apologize if this is a trivial question, but I was not able to find it among
the lexicals.

Thank you
Mauro 
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From: randy@raven.alaska.edu (Randy Hayman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: LBN => Filename / FID => Filename ??
Keywords: lbn, fid, indexf.sys
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:26:45 GMT
Reply-To: randy@raven.alaska.edu (Randy Hayman)
Organization: U of AK - Fairbanks

FID -> filename:

$ dump/header/block=count=0/identifier=(#,#,#) disk:

line #1 contains entire directory and file info.  This is undocumented,
and may go away at any time - is still there in 5.4-3.

Randy
sxrmh1@orca.alaska.edu
From: ARNE@ko.hhs.dk (Arne Vajhxj)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Will lmf kill alpha?
Date: 20 Aug 92 07:11:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

> Will lmf kill alpha?
> 
> A while ago somebody asked if it is necessary to install lmf 1.1.
> 
> Somebody else answered dec had good products an bad products - unfortunately
> lmf belonged to the latter.
> 
> My understanding is that VMS and ultrix is not widely used in universities and
> other research institutions compared to other unix derivations because of the
> administrative overhead caused by correctly using lmf.
> 
> Will this happen to alpha as well?

Well most people do agree, that LMF is a big clumsy program for doing a very
simple task. It is an irritating moment of being a system-manager on a site
with DEC equipment.

But it is still a MINOR problem. I have never heard of anyone not choosing
DEC hardware, just because of LMF. That would be absurd !

So I do not think LMF will harm ALPHA.

Now we talk about LMF, what about an interface where you write SMARTLMF at
the DCL-prompt and get into a scroll-window showing all the licenses in
a one line record (product,license-name,status,nodes). You move up and down
with  the arrows and F17 is enable, F18 is disable, etc. etc. - DO enters a new
menus where you can edit the all the individual fields in that particular
license ?

Do it sound like a good idea ?

                                                          Arne

Arne Vajhxj                             local DECNET:  KO::ARNE
Computer Department                     PSI:           PSI%23831001304030::ARNE
Business School of Southern Denmark     Internet:      ARNE@KO.HHS.DK
From: ds@ktas.dk (Didier Simon)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: DECnet ULTRIX , Be a DECnet routing node ?
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:31:32 GMT
Organization: K.T.A.S.

JYE@CCVAX.AS.EDU.TW (Jye WU) writes:

>Hi ,

>Who can tell me how can I define exec type routing iv on DECnet ULTRIX ?
>Need license ? or need other product ? If it can not be routing iv router ,
>area router , too.

>Thanks in advance.

>Jye Wu

>Computing Center
>Academia Sinica , Taipei 

No, nein, niet, nej, bu, non, a DECnet ULTRIX node is ALWAYS a end node.
Can't be a router.

Feel free to e-mail me.

Best regards.

Didier

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From: leonard@telcom.arizona.edu (Aaron Leonard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: re: Getting notified when a process terminates?
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:25:59 GMT
Reply-To: Leonard@Arizona.EDU
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona Telecommunications

There have been a lot of good suggestions for how to have
cooperating processes notify a "supervisor" process upon
their termination (termination mailbox, etc.)

But here's a simple technique for having your supervisor process 
immediately discover the demise of a NONcooperating process 
(i.e. one over whose source code and manner of invocation you 
have no control.)

When a process terminates for any reason (short of a system
crash I suppose), it writes a record to the file ACCOUNTNG.
So just write a program that creates a mailbox and defines
ACCOUNTNG to point to this mailbox.  Everytime a process
terminates (and under other circumstances too), your program 
will find a record in its mailbox.  If this record signifies the
demise of one of the processes you are interested in, your 
program can go into action and do its thing.

In any case, your program should write all records in its
mailbox out to a log file (assuming you wish to keep your 
ACCOUNTNG logs on disk.)

By the way, I just now tried this out from DCL (using 
UA_SOURCE:[PRMMBX]PRMMBX on Arizona.EDU to give me
a DCL-accessible mailbox), and it seems to work just fine.
So your watcher could be a DCL command procedure if
you wanted (assuming you don't give a hoot for efficiency.)

The only problem I can think of with this approach is that
only one process per system can employ it.  I suppose you
could soup up your ACCOUNTNG watcher to allow other processes
to register interesting process classes with it, and then to 
dispatch notification to these other programs when interesting
things happen.

Aaron

Aaron Leonard (AL104), <Leonard@Arizona.EDU>
University of Arizona Network Operations, Tucson AZ 85721
|>   If it ain't broke, break it.
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: terry@spcvxb.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: DELQA Component Revision Level Location
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:45:16 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <1992Aug12.172529.8684@news.lrz-muenchen.de>, VOELS@usmv01.usm.uni-muenchen.de (Stephen A. Voels) writes:
> 
>      I have a DELQA which was delivered in December 1988 and I am trying to
> figure out its revision level.  Can someone tell me where this is recorded
> on the board (or if if can be read from software)?

  Well, there should be a "CS revision level" stamped on the purple handle
(back side). This is done with a small punch, and is a single letter op-
tionally followed by one or more digits. [Older boards used 3 digits of date
info, them the letter and possible additional digits]

  Additionally, you can look at the ROMs on the board (they'll have part num-
bers like 23-xxxEx or sometimes xxxEx) and mail me what you find and I'll tell
you what revision it corresponds to.

  You can read the info via software, although I don't know if the VMS driver
saves this for you.

  All of the above bets are off if your board has been worked on by a 3rd-
party vendor. They often don't update the CS info, and sometimes use copies
of DEC ROMs which are not properly marked.

	Terry Kennedy		Operations Manager, Academic Computing
	terry@spcvxa.bitnet	St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA
	terry@spcvxa.spc.edu	+1 201 915 9381
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Defining logicals and use of quotes
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:43:38 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.vms
Organization: MSUS

In article <1992Aug20.033452.3780@micor.ocunix.on.ca>,
pbrowne@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Pat Browne) wrote:
> 
> Greetings!
> We have run into a mysterious problem. The logical that used to be defined
> using quotes ceased to be known to VMS. We had to remove the quotes from
> the startup file.  In the sample below, the first instance works, the second
> does not. Has anyone had this experience?
> 
> K_G3> diff group_env.com
> ************
> 
>   185   $ define/group/nolog ICT_pcp$cfg     dir$config:pcp_startup.cfg
> 
>   186   $
> 
> ******
> 
>   185   $ define/group/nolog "ICT_pcp$cfg"     dir$config:pcp_startup.cfg
> 
>   186   $
> 
> ************
> 
> To quote or not to quote?  Please share your opinions/stories about this.
> Thanks.
> 

	I recommend that you not quote even though the only problem I see
	(at the DCL level) is that you have to quote it again to deassign
	it.  You cannot deassign a quoted mixed case logical without the 
	quote. (VMS 5.4)

watch:

$ define "TestCase" "Hello"
$ show log testcase
   "TestCase" = "Hello" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)
$ ! SHOW LOGICAL is not case sensitive
$write sys$output f$trnlnm("testCASE")
Hello
$ ! LEXICAL reference not case sensitive
$ deassign TestCase
%SYSTEM-F-NOLOGNAM, no logical name match
$ deassign "TESTCASE"
%SYSTEM-F-NOLOGNAM, no logical name match
$ ! deassign is case sensitive and must be quoted
$ deassign "TestCase"
$ ! affirmed.

 john stafford  wsuacs
From: n8846069@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Barry)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: DECsound and VAXstation 4000 VLC
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:13:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Aug19.181335.2695
Organization: Western Washington University

We just installed DECwindows-Motif 1.1 here, and I see DECsound
is finally included!  It has an option to output to the internal
speaker.  But when I try this I hear nothing.  I also tired pluging
in a telephone handset to the audio hookup like was suggested
here a while back.  Nothing again.  Anyone know what we need
to do to hear these samples on our 4000 VLC's?  Are the
VLC's even capible of this, or is only the 4000-60's?

-BarryB
From: gong@znev02.desy.de (Gong Su)
Subject: test
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Deutche Elekton Synkrotron - ZEUS Columbia Group
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:06:00 GMT

Just a test. Please ignore.
From: dp@natinst.com (Debapriya Ray)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Job prospects for people with knowledge of VMS internals.
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:36:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX



Hi folks !

	I am interested in knowing what are the job prospects for folks
working in VMS, specifically those who are system programmers, device-
driver writers, know VMS internals. What are career prospects with
an experience of 2-3 yrs in this area ? I am interested in knowing this
since, most job ads one comes across in the job-related newsgroups
on Usenet, ask for people skilled in Unix/Unix internals/X/C++/RDBMS.

	You may post on the net if you like. But since I am not a 
very regular reader of this newsgroup, I will appreciate a response
to my email address:  dp@natinst.com

	Thanks !!

	Regards, Debapriya Ray

email: dp@natinst.com
National Instr
Austin, Texas
From: BAMON@OCVAXC.CC.OBERLIN.EDU ("Jennifer R. Amon  775-6987", 216)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: What's happened to this list!?!
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:36:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

This list has suddenly changed! The "From:" statement in the 
mail header used to always say "INFO-VAX..." which allowed me 
to automatically file the INFO-VAX mail to a separate mail folder
for further sorting by subject category. NOW, suddenly the "From:"
statement has some individual's name in it, precluding me from
easily sorting the mail.

My mail load (from this list alone) is tremendous, and I am not
on ONLY this list. PLEASE, if someone out there has control over
this, change it back!

I'll have to drop the list if I can't sort the mail and store it
without spending an hour doing it each day. I hope I'm not the only
person who has noticed this change.
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FAX: (216) 775-8573          PHONE: (216) 775-6987, (216) 988-4592
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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: vince@bms.com (Vince Della Fera)
Subject: Re: VMS-Sun connectivity
Reply-To: vince@bms.com
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb PRI
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:38:04 GMT

We run Multinet on our VAXen.  Multinet DOES have an SMTP server included as a standard part of the package, although we don't use it.  We run PMDF from Innosoft International, Inc. (714/624-7907), which is a general-purpose mailer for VMS, and can exchange mail with SMTP, Bitnet, cc:Mail and several others.  We have been very satisfied with the functionality and vendor support for both products.

--Vince DellaFera
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: art@cyclone.MITRE.org (Arthur T. McClinton)
Subject: Re: Undocumented MAIL qualifier
Originator: art@cyclone
Organization: The MITRE Corp. McLean Va.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:12:56 GMT


In article <0B42EB1D139FC09965@sb.hhs.dk>, ARNE@ko.hhs.dk (Arne Vajhxj) writes:
> > There is an undocumented MAIL qualifier I have seen
> > people use to extract an image file from a message.
> > EXTRACT/FOREIGN is the usage they used.
> > 
> > How extactly does this work?  And how did they create
> > the special message to begin with?
> 
> It has been send with SEND/FOREIGN !
> 
> You can send any kind of file with SEND/FOREIGN and when you extract it
> (/FOREIGN is apperently optional at the extract command) it keeps the
> original file-format. So you can use it to mail binary files. For obvious
> reasons you can only extract and not view such a file inside MAIL.
> 
Note that EXTRACT/FOREIGN extracts a file with WORLD:RWED privileges!     
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From: frank@rover.uchicago.edu (Frank - Hardware Hacker - Borger)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: Vaxes, 11s and ALPHAs
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:19:00 GMT
Reply-To: frank@rover.uchicago.edu
Organization: Joint Center for Radiation Therapy
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug18.021933.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au
 (Paul Repacholi) writes...
>The last 11 processor was the J-11 in 1983. There is a lot of noise about a
>different board/box ever so often.

	Agreed, the J-11 has not changed since '83, but there would be no
	earthly reason to add new instructions, al la the 86/286/386/xxx.
	
	Upping chip speed also does not bring great speed increases if one
	is limited by Unibus or Q-bus speeds. However the current 11/93 and
	11/94 systems do attack the other limitations in performance, speci-
	fically with memory on CPU board, including a fast CPU to memory inter-
	connect, (PMI,) which gets around the limitation of the UNIBUS or QBUS
	on memory access.

	As a result, current top PDP11's are about equivalent to a VAX 11/780.
	For most of the mature applications PDP11's are used for, (a very di-
	verse lot, when I get my truck's emission checked, a PDP11 under RSX
	is running the show,) blinding CPU performance is not required.

	Most notably, the current DEC-direct catalog even lists CPU accelerator
	boards for the venerable PDP-11/70, a CPU approaching 15 years of age.

	Try finding accelerator boards for 11/780's in DEC-direct.

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From: nreadwin@micrognosis.co.uk (Neil Readwin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: File Expiration Date
Date: 16 Aug 92 17:30:50 GMT
Organization: Micrognosis, London, UK.

In article <920816103256.27604699@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU>, PARMALEE001@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU (Rich Parmalee) writes:
|> What is the file expiration date good for.

	1) You can use it delete files after a certain date (which seems
	   to be what you are trying to do).
	2) You can use it (with volume retention) to simulate the
	   maintenance of 'last accessed times'. (The 'Guide to Maintaining
	   a VMS System' covers this - see section 4.3.)
	3) You can use it to stash 63 random bits of data about the file :-)

|> I had thought that the file would be deleted after it's expiration date

No. The system will not automatically delete the files after the
expiration date because that would strictly limit what you could do
with this feature. If you want it deleted after the expiration date
then you should use something like:

	DELETE /EXPIRED /BEFORE=TODAY *.*;*

On the other hand, if you want to archive them and get them off the
disk because they are not being used then

	BACKUP /DELETE /EXPIRED /BEFORE=TODAY [...]

would be more appropriate.

|> Does anyone know how to get DCL to add one or more weeks to a date and
|> have it go to the next month if necessary?

	$ write sys$output f$time()
	16-AUG-1992 18:19:29.84
	$ write sys$output f$cvtime(f$time()+"+21-","ABSOLUTE")
	6-SEP-1992 18:19:31.01

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From: tihor@acf3.NYU.EDU (Stephen Tihor)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: VAX 7000-6xx series
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:21:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

The 7000 is at least board upgradable and you can and should lock down
the price.  Other issues do apply though.
From: tillman@swdev.si.com ("Brian Tillman, Smiths Industries, VAX Support, x8425")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: RE: DECsound and VAXstation 4000 VLC
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:54:22 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Barry, did you load the sound driver SODRIVER?

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From: preiser@cancer.unm.edu (Doug Preiser)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Xyplex pinouts?
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:46:17 GMT
Reply-To: preiser@cancer.unm.edu
Organization: UNM Cancer Center

In article <1992Aug12.153150.6047@iscsvax.uni.edu>, connelly@iscsvax.uni.edu (Ken Connelly) writes:
>Could someone provide the RJ-45 pinouts for a Xyplex Maxserver 1500?  The
>documentation that I have seen doesn't seem to have this information.
>
>Thanks!
Pin	Signal

 1	RING (input)
 2	DTR (output)
 3	XMT (output)
 4	XMTGND
 5	RCVGND           
 6	RCV (input)
 7	DSR (input)
 8	Not Used

That's looking at the jack, pins numbered left to right.

Xyplex should have sent you the Hardware Installation and Maintenance manual
# 420-0219B
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