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From: vrs0@bunny.gte.com (V. Stern)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: what do people pay for daycare?
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:07:29 GMT
Organization: GTEL

In article <sw9VqB1w164w@kryton.UUCP> ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine 
Beckstead) writes:
> You also have to remember that a caregiver, taking care of 6 children at
> 115 a week, makes 690 a week, that's about 15 dollars an hour. 

Yes, but...out of that they have to pay income taxes and FICA.  They also 
have to have a rider on their homeowners insurance for having daycare in 
their home, so that costs extra.  Then, even though the toys, equipment, 
etc., are tax-deductible, they still have to buy them.  And they have fees 
for licenses, courses to keep up to date on things, etc.  So, I agree that 
they are making #children X hourly rate, but you also have to consider 
their expenses.  And this is assuming that they have a spouse who provides 
health insurance, etc.  You couldn't pay me enough to do it.  Thank God 
for people who do it, and love it!!

Vanessa R. Stern
vrs0@bunny.gte.com
From: weller@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Bonnie Weller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Crib recommendation wanted
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:35:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

I have been looking for cribs for a few months now and still cannot
decide on one.  I am due in 5 weeks so I need to get on the ball.  I
am looking for a good quality crib.  I am willing to pay around $200
to $400.  I would like as many of the following criteria to be met:

	-have a CPSC label
	-bars no more than 2 3/8 " apart
	-mattress adjustability (high and low is good enough)
	-minimum rail height of 22" when mattress is at its highest
	 and the rail at its lowest setting.
	-steel stablizing bars
	-plastic covering on teething rails
	-casters
	-sturdy and stable when baby uses it to lift itself and
	 shakes it for attention of fun.

I want to AVOID posts or knobs that protrude and crossbars.

Anyone have a suggestion?  Where I might find it would be appreciated
also. 

Also, any thoughts on the crib/toddler bed combo?  Does anyone know
of such a thing with an adjustable mattress?  I'd like my newborn to
be up higher so it can clearly see my face when I look in on it and
talk ga ga to it.

You can either post or send e-mail.

Thanks

Bonnie
weller@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu
From: avs20@ccc.amdahl.com (  134  Atul V Salgaonkar)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: 18monthold wakes up and angry mother
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:30:09 GMT
Reply-To: avs20@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (  134  Atul V Salgaonkar)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

We have a family bed and our son, for the last 4 nights, has been getting
up every 1 hour or so crying loudly. Comforting by me (father) does not
suffice and he wants his mommy to breast-feed him. Sometimes he will go
back to sleep without nursing only if his mom pats him on the back.
For his mother (my wife), the nightly sleep is very very sacred and to be
woken out of it frequently by a crying child is _extremely_ irritating. I
try to comfort everyone but then stay up pondering over my concern about
my wife's outbursts and well-being of all of us. Fortunately, my wife does
not have to (and chooses not to) work and hence can get a good nap during
the day. I am no martyr, but have to leave in the morning as in today with
zero sleep. Is there anything I can do to provide all of us good night's
rest and relief from this problem? Specifically, is there anything like
nightmares etc at this age? I called the doctor and they said to bring him
in for an exam. Is his diet insufficient or is the bedroom too cold or is
he going thru some kind of phase? Sometimes, he will pass some gas and
then return to sleep. And sometimes, he will wake up only 30 minutes afterr
being nursed. All comments and constructive criticism is welcomed and
gratefully appreciated. Email preferred but post if you feel others may
benefit. Many thanks,   avs20\@juts.ccc.amdahl.com
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: lastnames - something different
Date: 12 Sep 92 14:25:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

More on this names thread, with another twist.

My lastname is Brown.  My husband's is Bentkowski.  Half 
jokingly, I suggested that we give our kids the lastname of 
Brent, combining our two lastnames.  He didn't like the idea, 
though believe it or not he suggested giving them the lastname of 
Brown.  I was impressed, but figure it would cause confusion, 
being so non-traditional, so we'll probably just go with 
Bentkowski.  Funny thing is my husband is not Polish.  He was 
adopted and is of Italian descent, and looks it.

If its a boy he wants to name it Richard Lee, after his father.  
His father's name is actually Richard Leonard, but I croaked on 
Leonard.  Then he says his father hates Leonard too and uses Lee 
instead, and I like Lee.  Though I would prefer to use my 
husband's name, Paul, as the middle name.  But he's so excited 
about naming it after his father that I don't mind Lee.

We haven't decided on any girls names yet.  (He's really hoping 
its a boy.)  I'm thinking of:
  Sophia Clare
  Evalee Clare  (this one is unusual)
  Evaleen Clare  "    "    "  "
  Amanda Clare
  Alyson Clare

Clare is for Co. Clare Ireland, from which most of my ancestors 
originated, but its also Greek for "clear", so goes well with 
Sophia.

Any comments on these girls names would be of interest.

Thanks!

- Peggy -
From: nol2105@dsacg2.dsac.dla.mil (Robert E. Zabloudil)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:25:05 GMT
Organization: Defense Logistics Agency Systems Automation Center, Columbus

In article <3548@master.CNA.TEK.COM> judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake) writes:
>
>Our criteria for names were 
>
>4) Can't be shortened to a nickname.  I've never liked having a name
>(Judith) that's never used except for on forms.
>                
Interesting; my name is usually nicknamed in English, and I always thought it
was kind of neat (except I grew to hate my original nickname and changed it
when I went to Jr High [worked out rather well ] ).  My wife, Laurie, can not
be nicknamed (except via the last name, which no one here has touched on).

We both felt our kids should have "real" names and nicknames (she nicknamed our
1st daughter first, then created a name to go with it, l-o-n-g before she
conceived her), but our youngest daughter complains that nobody uses her
nickname!

Jamica Lynn      was Jamie, now prefers Jami
Joseph Daniel        Joe (NOT Joey...he agrees with us there!)
Alicia Ann           Al

Just my .02 worth!
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: HELP! Penicillin and Breast Feeding
Date: 14 Sep 92 02:45:49 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

I need some help, and fast!

I was prescribed penicillin (sp?) last Thursday.  I checked with my
OB, who said penicillin was fine to take while breast feeding.  After
three days on it however, I'm afraid my milk is drying up.  Is this
possible?

Background:  About ten days ago, I switched Carrie to formula during
the day, in preparation for my return to work. (I did it gradually,
switching one feeding to formula about two weeks ago, and the second
one about ten days ago.) I still nurse her once in the morning and twice 
in the evening.  All last week, I would be uncomfortably "full", by
about 3 in the afternoon.  Ditto at night.  This weekend, (since starting
the penicillin) I haven't had that problem at all.  Both last night 
and tonight, Carrie has fussed her way through the bedtime feeding.  
Tonight she wanted topping off a second time, and is still fussing.
(She has slept through the night for over a month now, and NEVER wakes
up at night.) I don't think there is any more milk in there to give 
her!  If I don't produce a LOT of milk overnight, I'll stop taking the 
penicillin, but any info anyone can give me before I call the doctor 
would help.

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Mom to Brad, 2.1 years, and Carrie, 3 months
From: brandt3116@iscsvax.uni.edu (Pamela Brandt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pregnant and wedding rings too tight
Date: 12 Sep 92 16:21:55 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

What a relief to hear that so many *other* women take off their wedding rings
while pregnant!  I'm not a traitor to my husband after all!   
But I took mine off not because I have any swelling problems [Haven't noticed
any yet, & I'm 26 weeks along, though my socks are a bit snug!], but because I
suddenly developed an allergic reaction to them!
I also had dermatitis on my hands about the first 4 months of pregnancy. 
Anybody else get funny skin problems while pregnant?
Also, I decided to pass on the maternity underpants, because all those I could
find were yucky and unattractive, but I did get new regular underwear -- 2
sizes bigger than I normally [previously assumed to be "normal"]wear.  Why?   A
nasty rash around the elastic legs.  Any sympathizers?

P.S.  This is the first time I've tried to post here, so pardon the
technological errors, but I do love to read this conference!!!
From: cooper@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lynette Cooper)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Diaper Rash
Date: 11 Sep 92 11:10:53 GMT
Reply-To: cooper@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lynette Cooper)
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center, Annapolis, MD


The best diaper rash ointment I've used is Desitin.  It stinks to
high heaven, but nothing else seems to work as well.

				       Lynn Cooper
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names - nicknames
Summary: A resounding ME TOO!
Date: 12 Sep 92 04:32:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <56082@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, sweeney@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Peggy Sweeney) writes...
>In article <BuFKEH.794@acsu.buffalo.edu>, oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>> In article <1992Sep11.155824.7041@electro.electro.com>, carlo@electro.electro.com (Carlo Sgro) writes...
>> >In article <3548@master.CNA.TEK.COM> judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake) writes:
>> > 
>> >>4) Can't be shortened to a nickname.  I've never liked having a name
>> >>(Judith) that's never used except for on forms.
>> 
>> 
>> I can relate to that!  I was named Margaret Mary-Theresa Brown, 
>> but my parents decided to call me Peggy even before I was born.
>> I've always thought this was silly.  Since they wanted to call me 
>> Peggy, I wish they would have just named me Peggy, even though 
>> there is no St. Peggy (Catholics often name kids after saints).
>> I never use my "real" name except for on forms and legal 
>> documents.
>> 
>> This is a pain, especially because Peggy sounds nothing like 
>> Margaret and many people *not* of Irish descent, do not know that 
>> Peggy is a nickname for Margaret.
>> 
>> - Peggy -
> 
>YES! In fact, the Margaret/Peggy confusion is the reason that we named
>our kids Kim and Kate -- not Kimberly or Kathleen or Katherine -- just
>Kim and Kate -- with no middle names! 

Well that solves it!  Though the Peggy/Margaret problem is much 
worse because Peggy sounds nothing like Margaret and a surprising 
number of people don't realize Peggy is a nickname for Margaret.

Its silly being called a nickname that sounds nothing like your 
"real" name.

- Peggy -
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Cornstarch (was Cornmeal for baby powder???)
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:34:48 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

I think all of you meant cornstarch rather than cornmeal.  Cornmeal can
be pretty uncomfortable and even abrasive and painful.
-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
From: robert@jetsun.weitek.COM (Robert Plamondon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re:  Condoms... was Impact of the absent father
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:03:02 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

>(Hillel) writes:
>
>>Consumers Report claimed that condoms are 85% effective.  In other words,
>>over one year of using condoms, there is 15% probability for an unwanted
>>pregnancy.  In 7 years, the expectation is more than 1...

The statistic includes people who use condoms improperly or inconsistently.
People who use condoms *every time*, like people who take their birth
control pills every day, do a lot better than the people who are sloppy.

	-- Robert
-- 
    Robert Plamondon, robert@weitek.COM

"But that was just one of the many times I died!"
    -- Baron Munchausen
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sgl@spatial.com (Steven G. Lanaghen)
Subject: Re: preterm labor in second pregnancy
Organization: Spatial Technology, Inc. [Boulder, Co]
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:29:41 GMT


	Sounds like my wife.  We went ahead with the "unnecessary"
	ultrasound and lo and behold - I am now the father of TWINS!

-- 
-- Steve Lanaghen              sgl@spatial.com
-- Spatial Technology
-- 2425 55th Street
-- Boulder, CO  80301
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.women,soc.men,alt.child-support,alt.dads-rights
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: Remote (Taxpayer) Wallets vs. the Ovarian Nurturer
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 23:46:04 EDT

In article <1992Sep13.064525.20969@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>
noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer) writes:

   > Yeah, Bob - that's the way it's supposed to work.  Funny thing.
   > I just got off the phone with a guy who was talking with a woman
   > about going out (as in dating).  She told him that she didn't
   > have any money to go bowling with him because her child support
   > check hadn't showed up.

Hmm...seems to me like you're missing an obvious possibility here...that
maybe she had no money to go bowling with him because she had spent on the
children money of her own IN ANTICIPATION OF THE CHILD SUPPORT CHECK which
hadn't arrived yet, and so she was out of spending money.

In case you didn't get it the first time, let me try this again.  Perhaps
she was saying that she had used up all of her personal spending money on
things for the kids, and was waiting for the child support check to replace
that money so that she could go bowling.

What this means is that rather than spending the child support money on
bowling (which is what you seem to think she was going to do), she had spent
the bowling money on child support...which seems like a really noble thing
to do.

Of course, if you've got a particular ax to grind, you could interpret it
any way you want.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Re: Idle amusements...
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:41:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.164549.2519@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com> elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.165311.18944@nb.rockwell.com> guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie) writes:
>>
>>In article <2531@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM>, sg@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Susanne Gilliam) writes:
>>> 
>>>   My kids have recently spent 3 evenings in a row having me "paint" their
>>> toenails with washable markers.  They select the color, and I do one nail
>>> on each foot with it, switch kids, and repeat the process, over, and over
>>> and over.  It is definately what I'd call a low-difficulty sure fire
>>> entertainment, and it washes off (some take longer than others to come
>>> off; highlighters take the longest).  Pretty funny too, as they pick the
>>> most outrageous colors!  By the way, they are a 2.5 year old girl and
>>> a 5.5 year old boy who happily hasn't yet learned that necklaces and 
>>> nail color are just for girls...
>>>  
>>> 					Susanne Gilliam
>>My daughter likes me to draw pictures on her with the washable markers
>>and then she goes into the bathroom and looks at them in the mirror.
>>Then it is off to the tub.
>>
>>Karen
>
>Well, in our case, Sabrina likes to draw pictures on herself!  Sort
>of a body art concept.  I considered it a victory when I convinced
>her to use only the washable markers.
>
>Elise.

And, to follow up my own article,  yesterday, Sabrina drew a picture
on the baby!  She had forgotten about the washable marker bit too
& was *very* sorry she had not used the kind that wash off.  I guess
Melinda will have a small picture of one of our dogs on her hand
for a while ...
Elise.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: Booster seats in aircraft
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
	<1992Sep11.133901.2035@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
	<SHAFER.92Sep11092809@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov> <BuFEwr.KH9@apollo.hp.com>
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:15:52 GMT

On Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:19:39 GMT, betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) said:
Betsy> Nntp-Posting-Host: astaire.ch.apollo.hp.com

Betsy> In article <SHAFER.92Sep11092809@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov> shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:
>On Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:39:01 GMT, van@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (valerie.thompson) said:
>
>Valerie> On my last Continental flight, I was told that I could
>Valerie> not put my under 2 daughter into a car seat - she was a 
>Valerie> "lap child", and I *had* to hold her.  (This was the 
>Valerie> first week of September.)
>
>Sounds like you didn't buy her her own seat.  "Laps" don't get to use
>seats--they're called "laps" because they sit on your lap rather than
>in their own seats.  For the parent, this presents a tradeoff between
>money and comfort.  I don't think the safety issue is really
>germane--most aircraft accidents are bad enough that a car seat won't
>save the child.

Betsy> The safety-in-a-crash issue is probably so small as to be irrelevant,
Betsy> as Mary says.   Safety-in-turbulence is not.   Flight attendants
Betsy> often refer to lap babies as "UFOs" because they tend to leap into
Betsy> flight when the aircraft runs into severe turbulence.

Quite right, Betsy.  I just managed to totally forget about turbulence.

I would really recommend getting the child a seat, but I know that
money's money.  But think about it.  Think about it really hard for
a long flight--everyone will be a lot happier and more comfortable.
And the child might actually go to sleep.

Let me add a hint to everybody who flies, with or without children.
WEAR YOUR SEATBELT ALL THE TIME!  (Can you guess that I feel strongly
about this?)  Some turbulence is predictable and the captain will put
the seatbelt sign on, but some turbulence isn't predictable and this
is the turbulence that will really hurt you.

I have a friend who got tossed to the ceiling of the plane in clear
air turbulence about a year and a half ago.  He's still having a lot
of trouble with the shoulder that was injured.

The cockpit crew is _always_ strapped in.  Everyone who flies
professionally is strapped in.  That's not because they like the feel
of belts, that's because they're pain-averse.  (Along these same
lines, every test pilot I know is a real fanatic about car seatbelts
and has been for years, long before they became mandatory.)

Morbid bit of flight test humor--Satchel Paige once said that "the
nice thing about airplanes was that they might kill you, but they
probably wouldn't hurt you."

--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
 "There's no kill like a guns kill." LCDR "Hoser" Satrapa, gunnery instructor
                       "A kill is a kill."  Anonymous
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu (Catharine Robshaw)
Subject: Re: Baby Cries in Carseat
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 11:57:00 GMT

lynne@pacersoft.com (Lynne Chantler) writes:
: I know these little darlings can be trying on the nerves at times, but
: safety should always take precedence.
: 

Here, here.

Catharine
From: kolovson@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Curt Kolovson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: in vitro, or not in vitro?
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:07:03 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA

Pardon me if this is a FAQ, but we have been told to consider in vitro 
fertilization by my wife's OB/GYN.  Does anyone have any experience with 
this?  I've read about it, and heard things second-hand -- all of which leads
me not to want to try it.  It costs about $10K a pop (so to speak), and the
odds are only about 1/3, so the avg cost for a pregnancy is likely to be $30K.
There's also a lot of nasty things to be prepared for, like having them go 
in and terminate some of the developing embryos if too many are making it 
in the early stages.  

My wife is 41, I'm 35, and we've been trying to have children for about a 
year (since we've been married).  My wife did get pregnant last December, but
unfortunately it ended in a miscarriage.  We've been trying since then, but 
no luck so far.  I know this is fairly "normal", and that we should probably 
just keep trying and not resort to in vitro, which is my inclination anyway.
We have been trying lesser things up till now (we do the BBT charts, tried
the "ovulation predictor kits", she's been taking clomed for several months, 
and we tried artificial insemination the last 2 months, all to no avail).  

Personally, I have very little faith in "medical technology" and "infertility 
specialists" in general.

Any in vitro experiences?  Thanks in advance,

	Curt
From: janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane Marcus)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:01:46 GMT
Subject: Re: Toys: books for 6mos to 1 year
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: misc.kids

The first books that my kids liked were plastic ones that were light
enough to hold and easy to turn the pages (and also wouldn't be hurt by 
chewing).  One didn't have a title as I remember, but it had silly, bright 
pictures of animals.  Another was something like "Dolly Dolphin", which 
was intended as a bath toy.  My kids liked these very early on (maybe 
at 2-3 months) and we didn't get rid of them until after the kids were 
well past 1 year.

When the kids got the hang of turning the pages of board books, their
favorites were by Helen Oxenbury (sp?).  These are rather big books
that feature babies/toddlers.  Some titles were "All Fall Down" and
"Tickle, tickle".  They also liked board books by Richard Scary.

If you want to try a magazine, I saw one issue of a magazine called
"Ladybug" that was nice for very small kids.  We got a sample
copy in the mail, but didn't subscribe since it seemed too babyish
for our kids at that point.  It seemed about right for 1-2 year old
kids.

Jane Marcus
jane@apollo.hp.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current