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From: olivier@everest.ee.umn.edu (Olivier Meirhaeghe)
Subject: Re: MY BLOODY VALENTINE(VU, Kids, record stores)
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, EE dept.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:51:47 GMT

In <92327.191844EET102@psuvm.psu.edu> <EET102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>If you don't like alternative music then why do you waste your time reading/
>writing about it?

>>I like alternative music about as much as I like Pee Wee Herman...

>          Well there is your problem right there. I don't like Pee Wee, (but
>that's beside the point) But even if I did in the context that you describe, I
>wouldn't go out of my way to insult those people who do like him.  To me that
>is just stupid. Obviously the people, myself included, who read this posting
>are going to, for the most part, be ones who like alternative music, and find
>value in more the your broad generalization of it as a "few interesting bands &
>a lot" (I can't remember the exact words, but to paraphrase) of mediocre bands.
>I happen to like alternative music because it is something more than the
>typical top 40 pop 12-15 year olds who wear their clothes backwards, or happen
>to have good sound technicians. In most of the bands I like, the lyrics aren't
>sappy love songs that make me want to hurl, they actaully have a deeper, that
>I feel I can relate to.  Oh well, I guess I step down off my soapbox now.
>                             -Erin


	oh..well...Is presenting another view than yours an insult ? My point
	is , also there are some good stuff in the alternative scene, most of
	it is copy-copy-influenced-junk , maybe it meant something ( long ago)
	ut it doesnot really anymore. the biggest alternative labels are wanna
	bee major  - if they dont already belong to a major - , and 
	"alternative" itself is just used as a promotional sticker. I did not
	say there was no interesting band , you can even find lyrics that
	really relate to your life, or lyrics that give you the impression 
	they relate to your life ( i.e Morrissey ) ( for lyrics that really
	relate to your life , see Peter Astor or Felt ). You can also find
	a lot of stupid junk-throw-away-lyrics ( Blur , Happy mondays,
	Primal Scream , any grunge band ) , but most of the time it doesnot
	matter cause people dont care about the Lyrics Really. 

	The main point is : There are too many alternative bands , alternative
	doesnot mean anything. 

		It's my point. and i've seen/read people like Ian Mc Kaye
	, Mark E Smith , black Francis say the same. ( for different reasons
	i agree: Extemism/Sarcasm/money )

	O.
From: eftv03@castle.ed.ac.uk (L R Watt)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: quote...
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:15:44 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University, UK

In article <1e8oriINN59m@bigboote.WPI.EDU> 
                      mattski@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matt Skawinski) writes:

>ok, quick question.... does anyone know what movie this quote is from
>
>"Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to, weren't
>never there, and where you are ain't no good unless you can get away from
>it."

The film's called Wise Blood, and it was directed by John Huston around 
the late seventies/early eighties.  It's a pretty weird movie, and
concerns the attempts of an army veteran to establish "The Church of
Truth without Christ."  It also contains the line "No man with a good
car needs to be justified."  But it certainly doesn't contain Jello
Biafra.

Lindsay.
From: jce@erc-sparc (Jamey Eason)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: RE: FUNKY CURIOSITY
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:36:35 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

"talking out the side of your neck" by cameo

jamey.
From: lim7@ellis.uchicago.edu (robert  lim)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: MY BLOODY VALENTINE
Summary: also Lilys and Velocity Girl
Date: 24 Nov 92 01:25:06 GMT
Reply-To: lim7@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <By3Kqs.Iq6@rice.edu> hk@caesar.rice.edu (hyonchol kahng) writes:
>
>Just a plug or something, if _Loveless_ cranked your knob, check out the Lilys
>_In the Presence of Nothing_ on Slumberland/SpinArt Records.  As I briefly
>raved about it in a previous post, the Lilys almost outdo the Valentines at
>(presumably) a fraction of time/effort/cost/hype.  That, and their bassist
>plays in Seam (a definite plus in my little book).

don't forget that Archie Moore from Velocity Girl plays on all
but one of the tracks of their CD.  (He didn't learn the guitar
part for the one he didn't fast enough, apparently.)

Re: outdoing the Valentines. I don't even think that they can
outdo a band that they owe their entire existence, sound,
popularity (?) to.  IMHO, I think they sound too much like MBV.
Even Archie said that they sound like knock-offs.

at any rate, Velocity Girl is where it's at, DC noise-pop wise...

BTW, did they all quit their day jobs?

>hk
>who had a minor religious experience at the MBV gig, thinking that he saw


-- 
"Poseur Boy"   : o o :    "Two path diverged in a forest/ And I/
 Robert Lim    :  >  :      I tore the whole thing down,/ Built a mini-mall,/
 lim7@midway.  : --- :      And called it 'Two Paths Place.'"
 uchicago.edu   12XU!                    -based on a soon-to-be-true story
From: sliddell@gssec.bt.co.uk (Scott Liddell)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: FALL LYRICS
Date: 19 Nov 92 09:11:15 GMT
Organization: BT

In article <cluster.247@fs1.mcc.ac.uk>, cluster@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (General Access) writes:
|> My kingdom for a Fall lyric...even a sentence will suffice...a syllable..
|> pllllleeeease!


 'Rocket, rocket, it's Questers Psykick Dance Hall, 
  Stuck for words, ESP medium of discord............' from Psykick dance Hall

 'Three days, three months
  Three days, three months
  A treatise, a treat is...
  First was cash and carry house dance
  In Lancashire they're 'A'
  In King Gnat's limited empire
  KwikSave is there....

  .....they say I always rip off Johnny Rotten
  they say 'See Ya mate, yeah, see Ya mate...' from C&C S' Mithering

  etc.......

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Scott Liddell                           " Please don't spoil my day,
West TEC                                  I'm miles away,
24 Highburgh Road                         And after all...
sliddell@gssec.bt.co.uk                   ...I'm only sleeping "

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From: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Subject: Re: Mr.Bungle.
Originator: tphailey@c00010-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:08:29 GMT


>Are there any Mr.Bungle fans out there,

Why yes, there are.

TOMASS
From: jeffs@dvorak.amd.com (Jeff Sobotka)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Isn't it a Pity / Galaxie 500
Keywords: George Harrison
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:28:39 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <13555@ecs.soton.ac.uk> sdm91r@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Stuart Maclean) writes:
>Dear Alt Fans, I'm trying to hunt down the original version of Isn't it a pity,
>which was covered by Galaxie 500 on their LP 'On Fire'. The songs was written by(I presume) George Harrison. Does anybody know where it is availble. Thanks in advance .
>
>Stuart.

If you're going to buy a GH album to get it, buy 'The best of'. 
'Isn't it a Pity' is on there among several other greats.

Cheers,

-Jeff-
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From: jcoryell@nwu.edu (John Coryell.)
Subject: Re: FALL LYRICS
Originator: cheading@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: MI
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:05:59 GMT

In article <cluster.247@fs1.mcc.ac.uk> cluster@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (General Access) writes:
>My kingdom for a Fall lyric...even a sentence will suffice...a syllable..
>pllllleeeease!


Oh, alright already, here:

"The star would complain of the smell in his room
 On visiting him this was found to be true
 An odor resembling hot dogs permeated the whole bedroom"


John Coryell.
From: ferrall+@andrew.cmu.edu (Chris Ferrall)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: quote...
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:17:24 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.alt.music.alternative: 17-Nov-92 Re: quote... by L
R Watt@castle.ed.ac.uk 
> >ok, quick question.... does anyone know what movie this quote is from
> >
> >"Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to, weren't
> >never there, and where you are ain't no good unless you can get away from
> >it."
>  
> The film's called Wise Blood, and it was directed by John Huston around 
> the late seventies/early eighties.  It's a pretty weird movie, and
> concerns the attempts of an army veteran to establish "The Church of
> Truth without Christ."  It also contains the line "No man with a good

By the way, "Wise Blood" is a book by Flannery O'Connor.  

--Chris 
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf)
Subject: Re: Has anyone heard the latest SUGAR
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:14:43 GMT

900420p@ace.acadiau.ca (GRANT MICHAEL POTTER) writes:

>     Has anyone heard the latest release by Sugar.  I heard a few tracks off 
>it which I really liked.  What do you have to say about it?

The whole CD is excellent.  Definitely a great buy!

>G.

Ed.

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,alt.music.hardcore
From: igj@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ian Glen Jacobs)
Subject: Re: BAD BRAINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 20:51:45 GMT

H.R. live is pure reggae... often with a band that includes former members of many great reggae bands (when I saw him some guy from Steel Pulse and one who had played guitar for Mutabaruka)... he also had Earl Hudson with him...

His albums are often weirder than his live shows... they have some jazz-y spaced-out stuff on them as well as some reggae and reggae-tinged songs... I love the Bad Brains and I loved H.R. live, but I just could not get into his albums...

-I-
From: ez012884@othello.ucdavis.edu (Tara)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: SPEED RACER Song: Who does it?!
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:48:09 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

c188-am@po.berkeley.edu (Leor Jacobi) writes:
: sal@iti.org (Sascha A. Linn) writes:
: >Does anyone out there happen to know the name of the group that has
: >taken the Speed Racer cartoon and put it to a beat?  I heard it a
: >couple weeks ago when I was in Chicago.  If you do know who it is,
: >please let me know.  I would also like to know where I can get a
: >hold of it (local stores have never heard of it).
: 
: The Mr. T Experience does a version on one of their singles.

Two Nice Girls also cover it on their _Like a Version_ EP, but I doubt this
is the version you're looking for.

Tara
From: 2767hoffmanj@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Grunge - it's NOT new
Date: 18 Nov 1992 23:52:17 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 2767hoffmanj@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

In article <1992Nov18.163337.22716@athena.mit.edu>, gdebelle@athena.mit.edu (Guy L Debelle) writes:
>All this stuff about grunge originating in Seattle just ain't so.
>
>We've had grunge bands in Australia since the early-mid 80s, and it was called
>grunge too.  Bands like the Cosmic Psychos, Exploding White Mice, Grong Grong,
>even Lubricated Goat  all fit into the grunge genre and there's plenty more
>I've forgotten.  
>
>Hell, the local label in Adelaide, Greasy Pop Records, was grunge city.
>
>Guy
>An Oasis in a Desert of Noise
>


No one should have claimed that it was...but then again...

Green River, Skin Yard, Malfunkshin, and a few others (Tad for one) came out of 
the Seattle grunge thingy about that same time...in fact..they can all be found
on a great Aussie compilation LP from around '86 called Fuck Me I'm Rich...

FMIR may have been on Greasy Pop...I dont remember....

so...the only thing about it now is that..."grunge" has been coined as some
sort of codeword for hipness now...sigh...and it has been linked to the
Washington clans...

And I still say that Black Sabbath was doin' this about 25 years ago...before
most of the Soundgardeners were walking...


later
-justin



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From: rob@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Rob Vaughn,302 Thurston Hall,50637,2730428)
Subject: Re: Grunge - it's NOT new
Originator: rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:03:51 GMT

THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY calls it right:

>>And ya know what?  Mudhoney started in 1988, which basically launched
>>SubPop, but Screaming Trees were grunging since at least 1984.
> But I'm pretty sure Green River was considered grunge and Mudhoney was formed
> in Green River's ashes (Mark Arm was in there and so was Steve Turner)

Sub Pop first itself up on Green River, Tad, Chemisty Set, and a bunch of
others.  Few people are as rabid about "grunge" as I am, and there's no way
I can ignore the fact that grunge has origins in bands like The MC5, The
Stooges, and Black Sabbath.  It's been around a lot longer than "punk"
contrary to the claims of folks on the punk mailing list.

> I always thought Blue Cheer to be kinda grungy

Exactly.

Rob

-- 

Rob Vaughn, Fugitive Systems Guy
Mat. Sci. Center Computing, Cornell University
rob@msc.cornell.edu - rob@crnlmsc2.bitnet
From: tcronin@ocf.berkeley.edu (Tom Cronin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Morrissey=Sell Out?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 19:55:21 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: whirlwind.berkeley.edu

In article <BxvKBF.HAu@news.udel.edu> absolut@ravel.udel.edu (Jamie D. Campbell) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov17.000952.9210@rose.com>, steve.miller@rose.com (steve miller) writes:
>>>       A Friend and I were haveing rather good discussions about wether
>>>       or not Morrissey sold out or not and I was wondering if anyone
>>>       out there had any arguments for or against this argument.
>
>    People have been responding about the tour dates, but I think you're
>referring to the other meaning of "selling out."  If so then I must say,
>as the biggest Smiths/Moz fan around, that they/he sold out with Frankly,
>Mr. Shankley (even if it was a joke).
>
>Jamie Campbell
>absolut@brahms.udel.edu
      Not to mention the fact that the Smiths made videos, Andy
  did drugs, most of them ate meat, and many other contradictions
  with their policy of beliefs.  I personally dislike the German
  clear vinyl version of Ask procaliming "Top Hit England".  
      As for Morrissey himself, I don't think he's sold out.
         (I already posted about that, so I'll stop here)
                            Tom

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tom Cronin                                 "Ere long done do does did"
tcronin@ocf.Berkeley.EDU                    - Some dizzy whore, 1804
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 11:33:56 -0500 
From: "Megan E. Dietz" <md3n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: question re: posting

Why does it take so long for my posts to show up here? The last one took
over 24 hours to arrive. My external posting is on... is there any way I
can speed the process up?

Megan
From: ssujarms@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Jenny Armstrong)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re:Neds
Date: 20 Nov 92 11:01:53 GMT
Reply-To: ssujarms@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., University of Reading

In article 4v6@cck.coventry.ac.uk, coakley@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Cpl.Flash ) writes:
> In article <1992Nov18.124411.25259@abo.fi> SSTAFFANS@finabo.abo.fi (MeatBread!) writes:
> >
> > Exactly how good is the new Neds Atomic Dustbin album?
> >I've heard that it should be softer than Godfodder and thought
> >I should hear some opinions before I order it.
> >
> >--
> >Simon
> 
> 
> 	You new album is brilliant. I've had it for around a month
> 	and the songs are by far the best they have ever recorded.
> 	One of the songs "Intact", which will be the new single
> 	here in England is excellent. It isn't softer than "God-
> 	fodder", just more organised, they have learnt how to be
> 	more powerful. Glad to hear that there are some Neds fans
> 	over in America. I'm going to see them live next friday,
> 	so if any-one wants i'll post a review onto the net.
> 
> 	             Garrett
> 
> 
>       ".....he was a kind man, he was a wise man; he had plans,
>        he had wisdom.............................bullshit man!"
>                                            Neds Atomic Dustbin
>                                                        "Intact"



I have to agree about the new album - I've had it a few weeks now and I think that it is excellent. "Intact" has to be one of my favourites too, after "Not Sleeping Around".
Yeah please write a review of the concert on friday - I'm seeing them a week sunday when they come to Reading and am REALLY looking forward to it, it will be the second time I have seen them, the first being in June this year when they did a special concert at our union to help save our live ents. It was a truely amazing concert and I got to hear a lot of the songs off the new album before it was released. 

Jenny
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From: asper@sbctri.sbc.com (Alan E. Asper)
Subject: Re: 1992 POLL OF POLL RESULTS**********
Organization: Southwestern Bell Technology Resources, St.Louis, MO
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 14:38:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.122249.1485@dct.ac.uk> mcsdc1al@dct.ac.uk writes:
>Here at long long last are the results of the 1992 Poll of Polls....
>BEST LIVE ACT                         BEST NEW ACT
>
> 1. Ride                              1. Tori Amos
> 2. Morrissey                         2. Sugar
     ^^^^^^^^^

I've never seen Morrissey live, but I did catch him on SNL and it was
kind of boring. Was his performance atypical, since he did so well on
this net-poll? No flames, please, I'm just curious.

Alan
From: pdm@ucrmath.ucr.edu (paul moore)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Wedding Present, and other questions
Keywords: Wedding Present
Date: 21 Nov 92 00:54:18 GMT
Organization: technology>>works

In article <BxGy82.HM8@acsu.buffalo.edu> feit@acsu.buffalo.edu (Elissa Feit) writes:
>In article <1992Nov7.162318@IASTATE.EDU> joebg@IASTATE.EDU (umbra) writes:
>>Ok so I need some help. 
>>1. Does anyone have the lyrics to the Wedding Present's "Seamonsters"?
>
>Yes. Myself and Bullwinkle J. Moose (ksantosu@descartes.waterloo.edu -
>though it appears he hasn't logged on since summer when we followed
>the Wedding present on part of the Eastern leg of their U.S. tour. You
>might say that we were "Wed-heads") compiled the whole lot of them.
>There are a few places we weren't sure and I haven't written to the
>w.p. to check them out, though we met David Gedge and he said he'd
>send us *his* version of the lyrics.

  No need to bother transcribing the things ( I can gaurantee you'll
make mistakes!).  Write to the Wedding Present PO Box in Leeds and
send Sally some IRC's and she'll send you the lyrics straight from
Gedges.  I think I have them all from the first 7" up through the
latest Hit Parade booklet.  (I don't have them all on-line and am
not sure where the ones I did have on-line are at, sorry).
   
>>2 Does anyone have any of the Wedding Present 7" singles released this year, 
>>that they are willing to part with ?  Or know where I can find them. 

  Sally says they'll be available as a set for #30 but I don't know
if that included postage etc to the US (which would be a hell-ish
#120 or about $180 dollars).  The singles around here go for $6 if
you can find them.  Apparently Blast First went bust so US availability
of the Hit Parade II might be scarce (remember how long it took for 
Sea-Monsters to get here?)
 
paul/tw
-- 
pdm@ucrmath.ucr.edu         technology>>works          ...ucsd!ucrmath!pdm
From: jis@panix.com (Jack Szwergold)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Morrissey on SNL
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:37:12 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

In <1992Nov15.202328.29254@njitgw.njit.edu> mnf0642@hertz.njit.edu (mnf) writes:

>I thought he was really good !!!!! And Michael Keaton's SNL closing was 
>also 'excellent':" ...and thanks to the musical group Morrissey."

Morrissey was as good as he could be in the middle of an audience like the
one's at SNL [I work near Rockefeller Center, and have to pass these
-people- every now and then]....

Keaton was stale.  The BEST host they had this season was Christopher
Walken...
[I think Keaton's hair plugs have taken root in his crebellum]
:)

Jack
jis@panix.com
"You do know that champanya, is only truly champanya, if it comes from
champanya...."
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:57:15 -0500 
From: "Megan E. Dietz" <md3n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: PJ/MLB BLAYLOCK

>> [Jack Irons] told J & S about Eddie...they
>> sent a tape with the music for Once, Alive, and something else that I cant
>> recall...Eddie wrote lyrics and sang over their music...they liked it..and
>> Mookie Blaylock was born...(soon to become PJ)...

The mysterious "something else" is a version of "Times of Trouble" which
appears on the Temple of the Dog album, and Eddie's version is called
"Footsteps." He and Stone played it acoustic last May on Rockline.

Megan

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: a-giles@uchicago.edu (Aaron Giles)
Subject: Re: Fatima Mansions
Reply-To: a-giles@uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago High Energy Physics
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:16:22 GMT


> In article <BxxnMn.6JD@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dbl50872@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel Brian Lake) writes:

>>Glanced at the Poll Of Polls, Noticed that the Fatima Mansions
>>recieved enough votes to get in, did they just put out a new album?
>>saw 13. "Evil Man"-Fatima Mansions for best song and I know this is
>>not off of Viva Dead Ponies.  Is this from a new
>>single or album?

>   I work at the student run station here at UB (WFFT104.9) and
> I saw a Fatima Mansions CD and it wasn't _Viva Dead Ponies_.
> From what I recall, it was some sort of promo LP(EP?). It
> included a new version of "Only Losers Take the Bus." I would
> play it on the air...but first I have find out which songs
> have any "vulgar" words and which ones don't. :-)

There was an EP called "Tima Mansio Dumps The Dead" released quite a
while ago that had the following tracks:

1. Only Losers Take The Bus (remixed)
2. Stigmata (cover of Ministry song)
3. Shiny Happy People ("cover" [used *very* loosely here!] of REM song)
4. Hive
Plus one or two others, whose names I can't recall

In Europe, there's also a new CD out called "Valhalla Avenue", which,
from my brief look at it, contained 12 new tracks plus the
aforementioned EP.  I decided not to get it while I was there,
figuring that the American release would be cheaper and would likely
not contain another copy of the EP.  To date, I haven't seen it
Stateside. *sigh*

Aaron
a-giles@uchicago.edu
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