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From: ilepore@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Lepore)
Subject: Re: Doubled Events (TT)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 18:26:21 GMT

Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.

 > TT doubles arrow events
 
 There's a desk accesory called SCROLFIX to cure that.  (I wrote it.)  It's
very small, using only about 800 bytes of memory.  It works with all ST and
TT machines, all version of TOS.
 
 There's also a DA called BUTTONFIX, but it doesn't work on TTs, or so I've
been told.  (I wrote SCROLFIX for a TT owner because BUTTONFIX didn't work
for him.)  
 
 SCROLFIX.ZOO (or .LZH) should be available in atari archives at umich.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: mfolivo@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark Newton-John)
Subject: Atari, Digital research, and GEM
Keywords: Rights
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 19:04:33 GMT

As stated in Atari's annual report, Atari has paid for, and has
license in perpetuity, the rights to make an infinite number of
copies of the GEM interface for the ST line of computers.

My question is do they have the rights to migrate the interface to
another line of computers, namely the ABC line? Or any new line of
computers that they may develop?

Although this is probably a dead issue, with OS/2 and Windows, I
thought I'd ask.

As I mused in another post, one could get a notebook clone, install
the original GEM interface, and a few Atari logos here and there,
and you have machine that looks like the ST, with the exception of
the operating system, of course.


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From: Dirk_Steins@k2.maus.de (Dirk Steins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Authors of Midimaze II
Date: 17 Aug 92 10:12:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: K2.A45824
Organization: MausNet
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Hi,

o> Can anyone verify for me that the authors of MIDI-MAZE II are still
o>around, and provide a current address for them?  An E-Mail address would
o>also be most  helpful, if they have one.

You can reach one of the authors in the german MausNet. His address is
markus_fritze@hh2.maus.de. I'm sure he will be delighted to sell you a midimaze
:-)

 Dirk
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From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (dogbowl)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: fast modems
Summary: How fast is fast?
Keywords: Fast? Really?
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 01:32:42 NZT
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS

The discussions on fast modems have me wondering....

In a previous posting I mentioned that I set up a BBS on a PC for the 
simple reason that it was cheaper to do so. 

That BBS uses a ZyXEL modem ( Sysop deal, so I should mention it ) which 
is capable of 14,400 uncompressed. It will literally scream along at 
56000 bits per second on uncompressed files, and is capable of going 
faster ( it has a couple of higher speeds talking to another ZyXEL ).

On the horizon I see glimpses of modems which are capable of 28,000bps    
*uncompressed*! I hesitate to think what they'll be capable of doing when 
compression kicks in......

Question time...

1: What defines a 'fast modem'
2: Will the new Atari machines ( Falcon et al ) be able to keep up with 
   these sort of speeds?
3: How long before 2400bps modems are relics of history?


dogbowl at The Dawghaus BBS  ( +64 6 357-9245 )
From: ralph@laas.fr (Ralph P. Sobek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: System start-up
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:31:33 GMT
	<1992Aug13.171704.24420@news2.cis.umn.edu>
Organization: LAAS-CNRS France
In-reply-to: davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu's message of 13 Aug 92 17:17:04 GMT

>>>>> On 13 Aug 92 17:17:04 GMT, davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu said:
davidli> Nntp-Posting-Host: lapis.labmed.umn.edu

davidli> In article <786@ozz.oasis.icl.co.uk>, jas@oasis.icl.co.uk (Jason Morris) writes:
>>strgh@warwick.ac.uk (J E H Shaw) writes:
>>.. if they are really FUQs
>> (Frequently Unasked Questions).  Many thanks.
>
>  Purely out of curiosity, how does one pronounce "FUQ"?

davidli> It is pronounced "fyook" (like fluke without the "l"). :)

Couldn't resist but :-) , this topic might make you ~PUKE"!   :-)

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Got a Mega 4 ST. Wish it was a Mega STe? :-|  Do I *really* want a Falcon/Next?
From: wrighttj@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Auntie Tim)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon030 is there ..
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:10:55 GMT
Organization: Aston University

Nice reply from someone- I tried to post a followup and was politely
informed that it would be redirected to comp.sys.amiga.advocacy. Why do
people do this? I don't go over to their groups and shout at them; I
guess it must just be insecurity... :)

Anyway. I don't know whether the original article was posted direct or
copied from somewhere, but it was nice to have all the recent speculation
confirmed. Especially the CD quality sample recording stuff... Maybe the
Amiga freak would like to cross over to rec.music.makers and rec.music
.synth and tell them that they've been wasting their money on the Yam
DM80, Alesis ADAT, Plasmec ADAS et al and that they could have bought an
Amiga instead. I'm sure they'll be convinced...

Okay, bitching about it won't solve anything... Time to modify the KillFile,
I guess...


-- 
Tim Wright.
wrighttj@cs.aston.ac.uk
From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: What's the best vi editor for the ST?
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:26:29 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <1992Aug11.155003.21640@clinet.fi> alien@clinet.fi (Risto Juvonen) writes:
> I've tested Tempus on my TT and its really fast. But, why new

How'd you get Tempus running on your TT?  I have version 2 and all I get
is two bombs when I try to run it.

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From: dud@hardy.u.washington.edu (Daniel Aylward)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Gemulator (Falcon emulator?)
Date: 18 Aug 92 02:09:58 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

darekm@microsoft.com (Darek Mihocka) writes:

>In article <64054@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
>>Jeff Young writes:
>>
>>>Someone will please post benchmarks of Gemulator and Falcon?
>>What's the point..?
>>Gemulator is an ST emulator, not a Falcon emulator..

>please, do tell us how much you paid for it, and do post benchmark results.
>I'm sure the Falcon will run circles around a 486 running Gemulator. No
>dispute there. But until you can buy a Falcon you shouldn't really compare
>an invisible vaporware machine that almost no one has ever seen vs. an
>Atari emulator that has now been seen by about 4000 Atari ST users and
>which goes on sale in under 4 weeks.

Why?
From: baffoni@aludra.usc.edu (Juxtaposer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari
Date: 14 Aug 1992 14:27:38 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <4242@wet.UUCP> ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen) writes:
>The Falcon is going to cost well under US$1000, have two hard drive interfaces
>(IDE and SCSI-II), 16Mhz 68030, 10+ MIPS DSP, LAN port, expandability to 14megs,
>Multitasking OS, processor direct slots, great graphics, and you're complaining
>because it's old technology?!  What other computer has what the Falcon
>has for under $1000?

	I agree totally with this.  However, the brief descriptions of the
PDS have made me feel a bit troubled.  Whenever it is mentioned, the most 
oft-heard description of it is that it will enable "386sx" boards to be
connected...and sometimes it is just "386" boards.   So, does this mean that
the PDS only access 16-bits?????  If it accesses 32bits, then why in the heck
will it be unable to use a 486?  Lastly, if it can use a '486, then why do
people insist on remarking on its lowest capability, or maybe just refer
to it as being "IBM emulatable" and avoid the chip designations alltogether
(which will be a lot more important when PINK is more substantial).


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-Mike
From: ricks@tcpbbs.pcn.org (Sports Sysop)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: 16 MHz / Overscan questions
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 10:14:23 EDT
Organization: TCP BBS, Cleveland, Ohio

wrighttj@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Auntie Tim) writes:

> Well, I'm contemplating squeezing some more hardware into the guts of
> my ST and I wondered if anyone could give me some advice. The two
> upgrades I'm currently considering are...
> 
> A cheap accelerator board (probably 16 MHz 68000) which seem quite cheap, 
> 
> The PD Overscan mod, which seems incredibly cheap!
> 
> The things I'm concerned with are mainly (1) performance and (2) compatibilit
> with the software I'm using. Firstly, what kind of speed increase do you get 
> from the accelerator? Will it significantly speed up window drawing, number
> crunching and the like? What performance do people get from things like 
> packed executables/ archives being uncompressed, ray tracing programs, screen
> redraws and the like? Is it worth coughing up more cash for a 25Mhz or even
> faster?
> 
> Regarding Overscan, does it slow down the computer significantly when it's 
> running? If so, how much? There's also a hardware kit over here in the UK 
> called the "Autoswitch Overscan" which (I think) fits into the monitor 
> (Hi res) and costs 50 UK pounds- as I almost exclusively use Hi-res this 
> would be equally functional for me, so does anyone have experience of this?
> Is it better/worse than the PD overscan hardware mod?
> 
> Compatibility- I play a few games in colour, but presumably both these mods
> can be deactivated so that shouldn't be a problem (should it?) but in hi res
> I'm using (or planning on buying) Neodesk 3, Steinberg Cubase, Spectre GCR,
> and numerous ray-tracers, graphics programs, and STOS. Anyone have any 
> experience of how these programs work with 16MHz / Overscan modes? 
> 
> Anyway, thanks for reading all this, If I get much feedback I'll post a 
> summary. Cheers...
> 
> -- 
> Tim Wright.
> wrighttj@cs.aston.ac.uk

I've had extemely good luck with ICD's AdSpeed.  It seems to be compatible 
with everything in 16MHz mode except for the MiGraph handscanner (the Mega 
STe in 16MHz mode doesn't work either).  But you can switch to 8MHz and 
everything is fine.  With AdSpeed you can switch speed with software, 
keyboard or a mechanical switch if you want to add one in.  The speed 
increase in graphics programs is nice.  It also works very well with the 
Spectre GCR.  
If you have any other questions, please let me know.

Rick Snevel
B&G Electronics
Cleveland, OH
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: andy@homebase.vistachrome.com (Andy Finkenstadt)
Subject: Re: genie messages
Reply-To: andy@homebase.vistachrome.com
Organization: Vista-Chrome Incorporated
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:14:22 GMT

ca806@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Roger M. Selby) writes:
>Is there any way of getting email from the internet to GEnie?
>-- 
>Roger Selby
>Selbyrog@max.cc.uregina.ca   Selbyr@meena.cc.uregina.ca
>ca806@freenet

Yes, send mail to   user.name@Genie.geis.com  -  so for example, you might
be  r.selby@genie.geis.com  (upper and lower case does not matter).

The user in question will have had to have sign up for the Internet
gateway test on page 207.  If they haven't, you'll get a message back
from the gateway machine explaining this to you.

-Andy

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From: rasas@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Greg Patten)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: MiNT Setups...
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:15:08 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

chang@assb01 writes:


>	I'd like to request that (successful) MiNT users out there share
>their setups on the net.

Great Idea!
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young)
Subject: Re: Forbes Article
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 04:55:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.225314.15793@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys) writes:
>>>	One (or two) good point in the article was that the Falcon 030 _AND_
>>>the Jaguar are both due out within 12 months (of the article).
>
>I know there are problems at Atari but I think the author had
>something against the company.

It is good to know good AND bad points about companies!  Tramiel
sons are like son of Wang Computer. Driving company without
licence!!  With Jack Tramiel back charge Atari Lynx is NUMBER ONE
and Atari is putting GIANT 30 pages ads in magazines and many
people in England are seeing Atari commercial in Battman Returns
movie!  With Lynx commercials on Star Trek show many more millions
will be sold.

Other person in Amiga group said Atari and C= should join together
and be best companies in the world! (Irving and Tramiel sons on
bottom and Jack Tramiel back on top)
From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon Resolution, Audio Sampling
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:11:51 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

vince@sci.kun.nl (V.G.J.M. Stoks) writes:

>You can't seriously multitask (and that's the way Atari
>seems to be going) with such a small screen. We want many windows open
>at once, so there has to be room for them on screen.

ahahahhah!  Unix users have been multi-tasking with no troubles at
all, just using DUMB TERMINALS.  You can always use multiple-screen
interfaces (eg. "miwm" for MiNT, which even though it is a quick-hack,
is still excellent; or for those keen - just port Unix "screens").

Multiple windows is not a pre-requisit for multip-tasking... though I
imagine BigScreens will appear for the Falcon even faster than they did
for the ST...

But are you really going to plug a $1500 monitor into your $1000 computer :-)?


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From: ae24@iamk4516.mathematik.uni-karlsruhe.de (Peter Januschke)
Subject: Apple to Atari ST file transfer ??
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:49:30 GMT


Hi, out there !


For a long time I have been working with an old apple II+ computer and
developed several programs on it, which I also want to use on my new
computer - an atari TT.

Unfortunately, I don't have any communication card for my apple II
- and I don't believe, that I will get one anywhere - so I can't
transfer any program to the atari ( except by hand ... ).

Trying to find a solution for this problem I had the idea, that it
must be possible to connect the atari via the RS232-interface to
the centronics printer interface of the apple II. ( The most files
I have to transfer are program sources, i.e. ASCII-files ).
Thus I would transfer my files simply by "printing" them while the
atari should simulate the printer, but store the incoming characters
in a local file.

Does anyone know if the two computers can be connected in this manner
- and if yes, what kind of hard- and software is necessary to do so.

If you have any idea, please send your response to the e-mail
address given above.

Thanks a lot in advance !


   Peter Januschke
   Institute of Applied Mathematics
   University of Karlsruhe
   Germany
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: usenet@atari.archive.umich.edu (Atari Archive Robot)
Subject: Weekly Posting of New Stuff
Organization: The Atari Posse @ Umich
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 07:01:35 GMT

  drwxrwxr-x atari	1024	Aug 16 03:01 .
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: heidelj@alleg.edu (Jason Heideloff)
Subject: Atari
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:23:09 GMT

Well, after reading this group for sometime now I thought I would share my  
ideas about the future of Atari and perhaps some of the things they are  
doing wrong.

My biggest turnoff of Atari the company (by the way, I do own a Mega STe.)  
is the fact that they wait too long.  They wait too long to deliver any  
new products, they wait too long to inform the public on much of anything  
and it is an absolute killer.  Quite frankly, I am surprised that they are  
still in busines.

Reading all of the articles pertaining to the Falcon on this group makes  
me happy and said.  Happy because the Atari users are very faithful and  
loyal users, and sad because I know that it will take Atari quite sometime  
to deliver on any of "her" promises.  I am particularly disatisfied with  
Atari's performance because of the rumors I hear.  Rumors which state that  
the new Falcon will have the 68030.  Sure this is impressive for the  
average Atari user who is primarily an Atari user, but what type of  
company would put a chip in a new computer that is slowly becoming too  
slow.  For example, NeXT Inc. contained the 68030 chip in some of the  
first computers they came out with. Now, they are being shipped with the  
68040 chip at approx. 33 mHz (if I am not mistaken).  In any case, they  
are soon going to be shipping their computers with a new chip which is  
supposed to be even faster.  My question is, why would any company, I  
don't care who it is, invest in technology which has surpassed and will  
soon be taken over by something else.  I would agree with them if they  
shiped their computers with 68040, but I can't believe that they would  
like to slow themselves (the company) down by installing yesterday's  
technology.  It just doesn't make sense.

As for the new support groups trying to get Atari back and supportive, I  
just don't see it happening.  Do you recall the "Atari Revolution"?  How  
much success was generated by that?

Just my $.02 worth.

Jason Heideloff
heidelj@alleg.edu
From: baffoni@aludra.usc.edu (Juxtaposer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon Resolution, Audio Sampling
Date: 18 Aug 1992 16:35:18 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug18.181846.3658@riacs.edu> glennd@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Glen Deardorff) writes:
>I know that the standard resolutions that the Falcon supports is no higher 
>than 640 x 480.  But isn't it possible to go up to something like 1280 x 1024
>or 800 x 600, with a video card and SVGA monitor?  I was told by a local 
>Atari dealer who had seen the Falcon that this was the case.  I'd love to 
>fantasize about getting one, but I'm afraid that higher resolution is a 
>principal concern of mine.  

	Well, its not likely.  It sounds (from the descriptions) that it's only
internal port will be the PDS.  So until someone makes a graphics card to fit
the PDS, the answer is no (it definately won't have the VME slot).

>
>Also, does anyone know if there there is anyone presently developing sample
>editing programs that use the Falcon's sampling capabilities?
>

	From the advert. noize, it is sounding like everyone and his cousin
is jumping up and down to get one so they can write software for it.  Reality
is that the Music industry is the one jumping up and down - the rest, well
as a professor once said the proof is in the pudding (or in this case, the 
software).  It is almost a given that there are people working on software
that takes advantage of the new sound/DSP capabilities.  

	BTW, did you get a chance to try the dynamite demo on a TT?

	Awesome.  I hope they plan on making a .mod/.segm player - the 
stuff they had sounded smoother/better than any other software I have tried -
I kept forgetting it was only 8-bit samples.  Of course, they probably did some
optimizing of sounds for the demo, but...it still sounded good.

>Muchas Gracias 

	De nada.

Mike




Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Subject: Developers and Dealers mistreated by Atari?
Reply-To: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 23:25:48 GMT



I have talked with a few developers and dealers that feel they
have been mistreated by Atari to say the least.

I have been told that they hesitate to do business with Atari
because of it.

I believe this is a serious problem and I would like for you to
let me know if you have been mistreated.

If you don't mind, I would also like to know how you were mistreated.

Do you feel there is a problem?

I may be sending Atari a letter to let them know about this problem
and would like to know how serious it is.

No names will be mentioned.

Thanks.

Len
(aa399@cleveland.freenet.Edu)

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From: chu@acsu.buffalo.edu (John C. Chu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Virus detection/elimination software
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:35:37 GMT
Organization: UB

Hi,

Can anyone give me the names of some software that I could use to
check my hard drive for viruses (being able to eliminate them should
they pop up is a plus). PD, shareware or commercial. Also, tell me
where I can get it (especially if it's a commerical package) and cost
(if any).

Please reply via e-mail. I'll post a summary.

					john
				chu@acsu.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,ba.market.computers,misc.forsale.computers
From: limsico@lucid.com (Carl Limsico)
Subject: Atari ST stuff for sale
Organization: Lucid, Inc., Menlo Park CA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 18:08:39 GMT

I'm selling some ST stuff that I don't use anymore...

$3 each (or all for $20):
OCP Advanced Art Studio
Powerdrome
Manhunter 2: SF
Dragons of Flame
StarGlider
Universal Military Simulator
Deja Vu II: Lost in Las Vegas
Two on Two Basketball
Borrowed Time
Project Neptune
World Championshiop Karate

Populous II: Trials of the Olympian Gods ................... $30

Power Pack.................................................. $15
(Bloodwych, Lombard Rally, TV Sports Football
 Xenon II)

STOS........................................................ $15
Maxifile III................................................ $5
Laser C 2.1 + Laser DB...................................... $30
K-Roget Thesaurus........................................... $5


$5 for both books:
Abacus ST Peeks and Pokes .................................. $3
Abacus ST Machine Language.................................. $3

All software come complete box and documentation, of course. 
I can be reached
at work:                       or at home:
limsico@lucid.com              (415)587-2978
(415)853-5564 ext.6602 

Thanks!

Carl Limsico
limsico@lucid.com