HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nickel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Juergen Nickelsen)
Subject: Re: spool vs. nntp
Reply-To: nickel@cs.tu-berlin.de
Organization: STONE Project, Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:32:49 GMT

In article <KPC.92Sep6190107@kronos-arclan.arc.nasa.gov>
kpc@pluto.arc.nasa.gov (k p c) writes:

> if because of nfs you have the choice of using the spool or nntp,
> which is:
> 
>         more reliable?          
>         more protective of news reading privacy?
>         faster?
>         better?
> 
> i assume nntp is more flaky.  can root tell what newsgroups or files
> somebody is accessing?  for speed, they seem not too different to me
> so far.

I use NNTP because I don't have the choice (at this machine). From my
experience the speed is more dependent of the speed of the server,
less of the protocol.

NNTP is reliable enough, I did never encounter any problem with it.

Root can always tell what newsgroups and what articles you have
accessed by reading your ~/.newsrc. Even when you hold it on a floppy
disk and mount this floppy disk only when root isn't logged in, you
can not be sure that the mount program hasn't been changed.

--
Juergen Nickelsen
From: ratinox@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Richard Pieri/Stainless Steel Rat)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus
Subject: Re: Where is 3.14 ?  (I've tried archie & prep & lisp-dir)
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:51:10 GMT
Reply-To: ratinox@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu
Organization: 3WA, Boston Office. Or Nu Meta Chi. Take your pick.
In-reply-to: voss@cs.uiuc.edu's message of 9 Sep 92 07:51:17 GMT
X-Get-A-Clue: Have two, they're small.
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X-Posting-Software: GNUS 3.14.1 [ NNTP-based News Reader for GNU Emacs ]

>>>>> "BV" == Bill Voss <voss@cs.uiuc.edu> writes:

BV> I've been seeing alot of 3.14 postings recently, but even after
BV> trying archie, prep.ai.mit.edu:pub/gnu and the lisp-dir-apropos
BV> function on archive.cis.ohio-state.edu:*/LCD-datafile.Z I still
BV> haven't been able to find it.  Where is 3.14 hiding?

From the GNUS 3.14.1 info file:

The easiest way to get a copy of GNUS is from someone else who has it.
You need not ask for permission to do so, or tell any one else; just
copy it.

If you have access to the Internet, you can get the latest version of
GNUS from tut.cis.ohio-state.edu [128.146.8.60] using anonymous ftp.
You can also get it from osu-cis using anonymous uucp.

--Rat

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From: kpc@pluto.arc.nasa.gov (k p c)
Subject: spool vs. nntp
Reply-To: kpc@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center AI Research Branch; Sterling.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:01:07 GMT

if because of nfs you have the choice of using the spool or nntp,
which is:

        more reliable?          
        more protective of news reading privacy?
        faster?
        better?

i assume nntp is more flaky.  can root tell what newsgroups or files
somebody is accessing?  for speed, they seem not too different to me
so far.

(if (eq answer-to-these-questions 'nntp)
    (and (setq gnus-nntp-service "nntp")
	 (setq gnus-nntp-server "machine"))
  (setq gnus-nntp-service nil)
  (setq gnus-nntp-server (system-name)))
From: ratinox@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Richard Pieri/Stainless Steel Rat)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus
Subject: Re: Does gnus 3.14 thread better than 3.13?
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:51:39 GMT
	<PHILIPG.92Sep2152603@bronco.bronco.cna.tek.com>
	<PALMERP.92Sep3152801@phoebus.math.orst.edu>
Reply-To: ratinox@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu
Distribution: gnu
Organization: 3WA, Boston Office. Or Nu Meta Chi. Take your pick.
In-reply-to: palmerp@math.orst.edu's message of 3 Sep 92 23:28:01 GMT
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X-Signature-Virus-Protection: Version 1.51
X-Posting-Software: GNUS 3.14.1 [ NNTP-based News Reader for GNU Emacs ]

>>>>> "PAP" == Paul A Palmer <palmerp@math.orst.edu> writes:

PAP>      My personal preference would probably be if gnus would just group
PAP>    brother/sister articles (those with the same parent) together and not
PAP>    worry about retrieving the parent.  (This matches my ability to
PAP>    (usually) remember what previous articles said.  And yes, I do read
PAP>    high traffic groups (including comp.os.linux!))

PAP> It will do this, if you're willing to let it sort by subject.

I made a suggestion for something like this, something like the "clumping"
of subjects in Kyle Jones' VM package. Basically, it creates a list of
headers, sets a mark, scans forward through the list for a matching
subject (or sender, date, etc), moves the message after the one containing
the mark, sets a mark... until the end of the list. Well, functionally it
doesn't quite work that way, but a GNUS implementation could do this.

--Rat

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Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus
From: scott@statsci.com (Scott Blachowicz)
Subject: Re: Unforgiving message in gnus
Reply-To: scott@statsci.com
Organization: Statistical Sciences, Inc., Seattle, WA USA
Distribution: gnu
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:46:07 GMT

>>>>> "Skip" == Skip Montanaro <montanaro@crd.ge.com>

 Skip> I just tried listing the subjects in the comp.graphics.visualization
 Skip> newsgroup and got the following error message:

 Skip>     Args out of range: "hirt@itsnova.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de\\", 36
I've noticed that when an e-mail address had imbalances "'s or ()'s or some
such nonsence. I just edited the article in the news spool to fix it, then it
worked fine.

 Skip> I am running GNUS 3.13 and NNTP 3.10 under GNU Emacs 18.58 on a Sun
 Skip> running SunOS 4.1.2.
Me except the computer is an HP9000/720 running HPUX 8.0, not that I really
think that difference is relevant.

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From: ratinox@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Richard Pieri/Stainless Steel Rat)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus
Subject: Re: changing indentation thingees
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:32:59 GMT
	<DIECPH.92Sep1163859@ucunix.ucunix.san.uc.edu>
	<HERMIT.92Sep2032648@am.ucsc.edu> <HERMIT.92Sep4164853@am.ucsc.edu>
Reply-To: ratinox@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu
Organization: 3WA, Boston Office. Or Nu Meta Chi. Take your pick.
In-reply-to: hermit@am.ucsc.edu's message of 4 Sep 92 20:48:53 GMT
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X-Posting-Software: GNUS 3.14.1 [ NNTP-based News Reader for GNU Emacs ]

>>>>> "WRW" == William R. Ward <hermit@bayview.com> writes:

WRW> Query: is there a way to set GNUS to use a "Reply-To:" line with
WRW> everything I post?  (Email works OK).

I have mail-setup-hook and news-setup-hook call another simple
function that just does a bunch of insert-string calls to put in a
Reply-To: field and my X-headers.

WRW> Here is the contents of my posting, for any who might have missed
WRW> it:

WRW> Please explain what SuperCite is.  Also do you know if it is
WRW> compatible with mh-e?  I'm relatively new to Emacs... If there is
WRW> a FAQ or README that I should look at to find out about this sort
WRW> of thing, please let me know.

SuperCite is a citation package for GNU Emacs. It is what I used to do
the citations in this article. It should work with MH-E, and it does
work with RMAIL and GNUS. You can ftp SuperCite 2.2 from just about
any Emacs-Lisp archive around the world.

--Rat

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Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus
From: kevin@edscom.demon.co.uk (Kevin Broadey)
Subject: Re: changing indentation thingees
X-Disclaimer: These opinions are mine: others available on request.
Reply-To: Kevin Broadey <kbroadey@edscom.demon.co.uk>
Organization: EDS-Scicon, Milton Keynes, UK
	<DIECPH.92Sep1163859@ucunix.ucunix.san.uc.edu>
	<HERMIT.92Sep2032648@am.ucsc.edu> <HERMIT.92Sep4164853@am.ucsc.edu>
	<RATINOX.92Sep9113259@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:55:50 GMT


>>>>> "WRW" == William R. Ward <hermit@bayview.com> writes:

WRW> Query: is there a way to set GNUS to use a "Reply-To:" line with
WRW> everything I post?  (Email works OK).

>>>>> In article <RATINOX.92Sep9113259@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu>,
>>>>> "Rat" == ratinox@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Richard
>>>>> Pieri/Stainless Steel Rat) writes:

    Rat> I have mail-setup-hook and news-setup-hook call another simple
    Rat> function that just does a bunch of insert-string calls to put
    Rat> in a Reply-To: field and my X-headers.

Alternatively you can stick

	(setq mail-default-reply-to "Foo Bar <fbar@domain>")
or
	(setq mail-default-reply-to "fbar@domain (Foo Bar)")

or anything else like that in your .emacs file.

--Kevin
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus
From: jad@nsa.hp.com (John Dilley)
Subject: Gnus 3.14 && timezone
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 04:31:12 GMT
Distribution: gnu
Organization: Networked Systems Architecture


	I currently am doing the following to customize Date: lines in
your posts to be presented in my timezone (I don't live in Grenwich :-):

(setq gnus-Article-prepare-hook 'gnus-gmt-to-local)
(setq gnus-local-timezone "-0700")

My question is this: what should I do so that gnus-local-timezone is the
right value after the shift to/from daylight savings time in the US?  I
tried using my UNIX TZ variable value (PST8PDT), but that didn't work.
Anyone gotten this to work without calling out to a separate process?
How about including calling out to a separate process (post source)?
Thank you,

			 --       jad       --
		      John Dilley <jad@nsa.hp.com>
From: davidm@consilium.com (David S. Masterson)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus
Subject: GNUS save articles
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:25:24 GMT
Organization: Consilium Inc., Mountain View, California
X-Posting-Software: GNUS 3.13  [ NNTP-based News Reader for GNU Emacs ]

Is there an argument to tell 'gnus-Subject-save-in-file' (or some equivalent)
to overwrite the file that its going to save into?  Generally, I save each
part of a multipart source posting to a separate file, then use something like
UNSHAR to take them apart.  Sometimes, version one of the source distribution
comes across followed (by a couple of weeks) by version 1.1.  I'd like to just
overwrite the old version by doing another save.  Is there a way?
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From: haydens@bullwinkle.juliet.ll.mit.edu (Hayden Schultz x3685 g42)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus
Subject: groups with lots of articles
Date: 8 Sep 92 04:14:54 GMT
Reply-To: haydens@juliet.ll.mit.edu
Distribution: gnu.emacs.gnus
Organization: M.I.T. Lincoln Lab - Group 42


I have trouble reading newsgroups like comp.lang.c++ or
alt.folklore.computers which have thousands of postings each minute.
If I neglect reading news for a few days, or god forbid take a
vacation, it's not too uncommon to see newsgroups with tens of
thousands of "unread" posings. Now my news server won't keep this many
articles around, so the number doesn't really reflect the real number
of articles that I could get.

When I'm confronted with a newsgroup with lots of articles, if I
requst too many (more than a couple of hundred or so), I get an error
message something like "nnpd, no more processes." 

The only way I've found to read these large groups is to get a couple
of hundred messages, read the ones I'm interested, and delete most of
the rest (I can't do a catch-up or I'll loose everything) and repeat.

Is there a better way?

Please send me email, gnu.emacs.gnus is one of those newsgroups that
I'm talking about.

	Hayden (haydens@juliet.ll.mit.edu, haydens@atc.ll.mit.edu)
From: ssurhode@susssys1.rdg.ac.uk (Paul Rhodes)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus
Subject: gnus 1.41
Date: 9 Sep 92 10:49:26 GMT
Distribution: gnu
Organization: Reading University, England


I have a couple of questions for you all.....

 a. Can anyone tell me the difference between 3.13 and 3.14 ?

 b. Is there a version of gnus, or a patch, that spawns a subprocess
    to read from the NNTP, allowing the user to continue working in
    another window...?

 c. Is there a better version of gnus-mark that will automatically
    order and unshar (or uudecode) fragmented articles...

 d. Has anyone got 3.14 working with lucid emacs ???

 e. How far off is gnus 3.15 and how will that differ from 3.14/3.13
    ???

thanks in advance,

   Paul.
From: mrmike@michelotti.ae.ge.com ("Mr. Mike" Passaretti)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus
Subject: Error posting from GNUS 3.14.1 NNTP 3.10 EMACS 18.57
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:02:35 GMT
Reply-To: Mike Passaretti <passaretti@crd.ge.com>
Distribution: gnu
Organization: GE Aircraft Engines


I'm getting the error 

sending to process:  no more processes: nntpd<4>

with a backtrace of

  process-send-region(#<process nntpd<4>> 4041 4142)
  (while ...)
  (save-restriction ...)
  (let ...)
  (save-excursion ...)
  nntp-send-region-to-server(1 5269)
  (progn ...)
  (if ...)
  gnus-request-post()
  (prog1 ...)
  (save-excursion ...)
  (let ...)
  gnus-inews-article()
  (if ...)
  (save-excursion ...)
  (let* ...)
  news-inews()
* call-interactively(news-inews)

The 3.10 release of NNTP has a note in process-send-region
to the effect of:

    ;; `process-send-region' does not work if text to be sent is very
    ;;  large. I don't know maximum size of text sent correctly.

I appear to be biting this somehow.  The message in question
is 100 lines or so and about 5200 characters.  I'm no
Emacs-Lisp hacker, unfortunately,  my experience is limited to
simple text hacking funcs and stuff.  Anyone with more insight?

                                                        - MM

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From: latta@scam.berkeley.edu (Craig R. Latta)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus
Subject: Novice wonders how to save many articles at once.
Date: 12 Sep 92 18:10:55
Organization: Experimental Computing Facility (XCF)
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: xcf.berkeley.edu



Hi--

	With the usual lame lamentings of having searched the manual
and the source (but not this newsgroup or any FAQs) to no avail, I ask
you: How do I save many (usually consecutive) articles with a single
gesture or two (or three)?

	Please answer via email, in addition to however else you
answer.


	Thanks very much,

-C

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From: rdong@PLAYMATE.MAT.JHU.EDU (Rui-Tao Dong ~~{6-HpLN~~})
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus
Subject: Re: NNTP server(Q)
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:31:58 GMT
Distribution: gnu.emacs.gnus
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Johns Hopkins University.


In article <SPENO.92Sep14232645@clam.rutgers.edu> speno@clam.rutgers.edu (John P. Speno) writes:

> First I'd like to know what a NNTP server is and what it does and how
> it differs from a 'spool'. Knowing these things might help with my
> next problem which is this. I use GNUS 3.14.1 and I love it. However,
> I'm the only student around here that does so it isn't supported at
> all. I can use GNUS on one of our machines that happens to be the
> machine which mounts our news server up in New Bruswich( clam mounts
> bobwebber for those of you keeping score). This is done with nfs I'd
> assume. Clam also serves as a nfs file sharer to a host of sparc
> stations on campus and I want to use gnus from those machines. I've
> set NNTPSERVER and setq gnus-nntp-service but still, when I run GNUS
> on a machine other than clam, I'll see the message Host:
> "clam.rutgers.edu" not responding. I'd appreciate any help you can
> give me so that once I get it running everywhere, I can enlighten the
>  others. 

The following will do your trick.

(setq gnus-nntp-server (system-name))
(setq gnus-nntp-service nil)

	My situation is even worse. Our university news machine doesn't
offer NNTP access to other campus computers. I have to use `Ange-ftp' to
access its newsspool.

(setq nnspool-spool-directory "/NNTPserver:/usr/spool/news")

Regards,

    Rui-Tao Dong ~~{6-HpLN~~}		    Department of Mathematics
    rdong@playmate.mat.jhu.edu		    The Johns Hopkins University
    (410)516-7406(O) (410)516-5549(Fax)	    Baltimore, Maryland 21218
From: montnaro@spyder.crd.ge.com (Skip Montanaro)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus
Subject: Unforgiving message in gnus
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:22:23 GMT
Reply-To: montanaro@crd.ge.com (Skip Montanaro)
Distribution: gnu
Organization: GE Corporate Research & Development, Schenectady, NY


I just tried listing the subjects in the comp.graphics.visualization
newsgroup and got the following error message:

    Args out of range: "hirt@itsnova.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de\\", 36

GNUS refused to pop up a *Subject* buffer.  I just caught up the group, and
haven't the time to look into the problem (nor much familiarity with GNUS).
Perhaps someone with a bit more GNUS savvy can look into the problem.
It seems to me that GNUS should display what it can in the face of
formatting errors of one sort or another.

I am running GNUS 3.13 and NNTP 3.10 under GNU Emacs 18.58 on a Sun running
SunOS 4.1.2.

Thanks,

--
Skip (montanaro@crd.ge.com)
From: speno@clam.rutgers.edu (John P. Speno)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus
Subject: NNTP server(Q)
Date: 15 Sep 92 03:26:45 GMT
Distribution: gnu.emacs.gnus
Organization: M.U.G.A.R.


First I'd like to know what a NNTP server is and what it does and how
it differs from a 'spool'. Knowing these things might help with my
next problem which is this. I use GNUS 3.14.1 and I love it. However,
I'm the only student around here that does so it isn't supported at
all. I can use GNUS on one of our machines that happens to be the
machine which mounts our news server up in New Bruswich( clam mounts
bobwebber for those of you keeping score). This is done with nfs I'd
assume. Clam also serves as a nfs file sharer to a host of sparc
stations on campus and I want to use gnus from those machines. I've
set NNTPSERVER and setq gnus-nntp-service but still, when I run GNUS
on a machine other than clam, I'll see the message Host:
"clam.rutgers.edu" not responding. I'd appreciate any help you can
give me so that once I get it running everywhere, I can enlighten the
others. 

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From: trost@romulus.reed.edu (Bill Trost)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus
Subject: Re: spool vs. nntp
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:28:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: romulus.TROST.92Sep10132845
Organization: Reed College

In article <KPC.92Sep6190107@kronos-arclan.arc.nasa.gov> kpc@pluto.arc.nasa.gov (k p c) writes:
   if because of nfs you have the choice of using the spool or nntp,
   which is:
	   more reliable?          
	   more protective of news reading privacy?
	   faster?
	   better?

   i assume nntp is more flaky.  can root tell what newsgroups or files
   somebody is accessing?  for speed, they seem not too different to me
   so far.

I have found NNTP to be dramatically faster when entering a newsgroup
-- even for a local disk!  This is pretty easy to explain: When gnus
puts together the subject lines, it has to load the *entire* message
when using nnspool, but the NNTP daemon only needs to read the actual
headers to supply the XHDR response to gnus.  This is most dramatic
when reading, say, a sources or binaries group.

On the other hand, posting seems to be slower using NNTP.  I don't
understand why this is the case.
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