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From: Jonathan.Corby@f371.n640.z3.fidonet.org (Jonathan Corby)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Australia
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 93 23:26:01 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:640/371 - ESE ESCAPE BBS, Brisbane Qld Australia

DK>I read about the rabbit problem ( it is not the first time that I
DK>heard of it) and also about the impossibility to get rid of it. Is
DK>it still the same or were there found methods yet to reduce the
DK>harm they do in the agriculture? What happened after some rabbits
DK>developed a resistance against myxomatosis, which was introduced in
DK>1950 to control the rabbit situation? Is it allowed to use those
DK>"biological weapons"?

        Hello, I thought you may like a little information from
Australia, Brisbane Queensland to be precise.

        Rabbits are a very large problem in Australia at the moment
it goes through stages of where they are controlled to where they
are just haywire.
        The myxomatosis virus is the only semi useful method of
controlling rabbits as far as I know.  There is a lot of shooting
but it has little or no effect.  The rabbits to build up a resistance
to the virus but they change the virus structure slightly every so often
to make it effective again.
        However I have a friend who works for the government science
organisation down here CSIRO she is at the moment working on a virus
based on myxamotosis that rather than kill the rabbits sterilizes them.
This she hopes will be much more effective.  As I understand it
she is having some success and they may be ready to release the virus
soon.
        As for biological weapons when it comes to farming Australia
is sometimes better off using biological weapons of a chemical kind.
We have tried several experiments trying to introduce natural predators
of introduced species with little or no success often they make the
situation worse.  There have been some successes though, the
Cactablastus moth probably the best example.  It was introduced
to redusce a form of cactus called prickly pear and it worked very
well with no adverse affects.


DK> I read that one rabbit equals seven to ten
DK>sheep in grass consumption. It is really hard for me to believe
DK>that because I bred rabbits by myself a couple years ago. What kind
DK>of rabbits are these particular rabbits in Australia ?

        That sounds dubious to me too I can't help you with that
apart from saying that there are a lot more rabbits and they breed
a lot faster than sheep!  Also in Queensland it is illegal to own
or breed rabbits due to the problems they cause.

DK>I would like to hear more about that. If you have information,
DK>please send it.

        Hope this has helped.

DK>                       I hope I didn't make too many mistakes in my
DK>                       English,
DK>                                         bye, Daniela

        Your English was fine Daniela even to an ocker Australian like
me.  Enjoy!
        Jon Corby.
  SLMR 2.1  click.. click... click... Damn out of taglines.

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From: Dean.Mesenbrink@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Dean Mesenbrink)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Logging Jobs
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 09:31:20 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

WPC0



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From: Iain.Macpherson@f405.n622.z3.fidonet.org (Iain Macpherson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Equator flush
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 20:01:36 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:622/405

JL>wanted to see how the rotation of the Earth affects the way
JL>toilets flush. We have discovered that toilets flush in a
JL>counter clockwise direction in the northern hemisphere and
JL>clockwise in the southern hemisphere. We were wondering: "How do
JL>toilets flush on the equator?"

       What earth-shattering research! I can just see you hanging around toilet cubicles all over the world and racing in to check the flow after the most recent occupant has departed.

       I guess toilets at the equator alternate on odd and even days of the month. (-:


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From: stuckey@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Anthony J. Stuckey)
Subject: Re: aids
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:37:51 GMT

Stephanie.Merino@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Stephanie Merino) writes:

>Hello there.   My name is Stephanie Merino.  I am a senior at
>Bonnersferry High school.  I am extremely concerned about my childs
>generation and the effects of aids on them. It seems to me that
>unless a cure is found soon or people start concerning themselves
>more with safe sex or at least monogomous relationships she has a
>very slim chance of surviving.  Our population is rapidly being
>taken over by this disease and it seems as if nobody is too
>worried.   What are the statisics for aids?  How many people are
>being diagnosed with the HIV virus everyday?  At what speed is
>research being done?  Are we getting any closer to a cure?  I was
>also wondering If anyone knows aids statistics for North Idaho
>alone??? Also what is the leading cause of aids? Sexual activity? 
> 
>Sharing intervenous needles??  Transfusions?  IF anyone can help to
>inform me more on the statistics or answer any of my questions I
>would be greatly appreciated. 

	I beleive it's now established that sexualk activity is the most common
vector.  Drug transfer is still high, but i beleive it's a lot lower in
terms off actual numbers.  i think that "being taken over by" is a paranoid
stance, Although by virtue of having several massive blood transfusions in
1983, I am still considered "at risk".
	Note that it is impossible to get full statistics, because of the long
lag time between acquistion of the virus and it showing up in tests.
Last I had heard, there were now 3 drugs capable of slowing its symptoms,
no cure.  It would be very hard to come up wit ha cure ffor a viral
disease, anyway.  (Bacteria are _so_ much nicer in that respect).
	While it's tragic that it has to happen, I do look with (ghoulish?)
interest at the measures taken against it.
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"And if you frisbee-throw a universe where does it go?"
             Turquoise, Steve Blunt.
From: Mitch.Card@f105.n381.z1.fidonet.org (Mitch Card)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: re: Computer Literacy
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 07:25:31 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:381/105 - Hawks BBS K12Net, El Paso TX

You did a great job!  It took me about a week before I would even try 
to get into this area.  Once you get into these boards you find 
yourself reading all of these messages to get an idea of what is going 
on.  There are other areas you probably need to wander through - area 
48, 56, 29, 43.  Anyway, there is no telling where you are going to 
find yourself. Obviously your trip to get the modem was a success, I 
am happy that it was successful.  What software are you using on the 
GS?  I will be using Proterm at home as well as at school.  Anyway, 
next time I will see you at area 56 for chatter, so we can save this 
line for science stuff.  


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From: choy@dvinci.USask.Ca (Henry Choy)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: atomic structure
Date: 29 Jan 93 01:38:26 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
NNTP-Posting-Host: dvinci.usask.ca
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

I heard some lady on the radio complaining that high school
training gives an atomic model that was being used in the 19th
century. I never got to learn Newton's 3 laws until grade 12.
The concept of a force was never explained correctly. Just what
is it anyways?

--

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choy@cs.usask.ca

What rolls down stairs alone or in pairs            This has been brought to 
Rolls over your neighbor's dog?                     you by the numbers 4
What's great for a snack and fits on your back?     and 9 and the letter P.
It's Log, Log, Log!  -- "The Log Song", from            -- Big Bird
                         Ren & Stimpy

Math is tough!       -- Barbie
From: David.Rahfeldt@f29.n105.z1.fidonet.org (David Rahfeldt)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: International travel
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 11:43:01 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/29 - The Catlin Gabel Sc, Portland OR

Gee, I had never noticed that as a problem there!

I found that such obligations to be a major source of mis-understanding in
 Japan but had no such problems in Singapore or Hong Kong... or in mainland
 China... I wonder if gift giving and "face" is more of a cultural remanent or
continuance in Taiwan than China itself...???

In Singapore they never offered unless they ment it...

In Hong Kong...pretty much the same... except for British style courtesy...
 smile... but that is close enough to easily diagnose...

Humor I have found goes a long way to unload stresses of such situations and
 make for open discussion of intent...

Most Chinese seemed to have taken well to mild humor...but then again.. even
 within the same culture.. one has to be careful of indivdual variations
 between people....

Not everyone in any culture sees humor in the same things... Eddie Murphey
 might be considered simply crude or obscene in Taiwan but is a lark here for
 middle aged folks...

Hummmm

Are you intending to stay there for work and career and family or return
 stateside after the contract there is over?

David


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From: Glenn.Christensen.Ii@p0.f11.n356.z1.fidonet.org (Glenn Christensen Ii)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Oregon teacher monthly
Date: 25 Jan 93 09:11:52 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:356/11.0 - The College, Coos Bay OR

I have in my possesion, many issues of the Oregon teachers Monthly Dating from 1915 and on up through 1930.  They are jan packed with neat information regarding many different items. Such as crater lake, and many other things we take for granted these days.  Many points on teaching from k-colledge.  If you are interested in these things, 
  let me know on board and I will leave articles on here for teaching 
conveinence.  These books have no end to what they can teach even in our time.     am a collector of old items , So if you have something to share, let me know . 


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From: Tyler.Coffey@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Tyler Coffey)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: logging
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 12:52:31 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

 
 
             Hello my name is Tyler Coffey, and I'm writing in    
 
         response to the messages on this system I've been reading 
 
         regarding logging.  The reason I'm writing this is because 
 
         a common general statement I've been seeing saying that at 
 
         the current rate of logging there will be no old growth  
 
         forests to enjoy or no oxygen left on our planet in a    
 
         matter of a few decades.  Now this really pisses me off.
         If everybody who writes this kind of garbage would get off
         thier can to read some factual information about this    
 
         subject, they would realize how stupid they were.  First 
 
         of all logging is in a serios depression right now and in 
 
         a world of hurt.  At the cuurent rate of logging it will 
 
         be thousands of years before we even begin to make a dent 
 
         in our forestry supply.  By that time second growth      
 
         forests will be mature and ready for harvest.  If people 
 
         wouldn't believe every damn thing they here from the     
 
         Sierra Club and other such organizations they would      
 
         realize how stupid they really are.  It is clubs like this 
 
         that have put logging into the recession it is in right  
 
         now.  Many are out of the job, and many more soon will be. 
 
         I'm not totally against saving the environment, but this 
 
         is not the way to do it. Time, money, and effort need to 
 
         be put into buying less plastic, and stopping the logging 
 
         that is hurting the environment.  That being the logging 
 
         of South America's tropical rain forests.  People who    
 
         think logging in the northwest is killing of the spotted 
 
         owl need to come here and see the real story.  I've lived 
 
         here all my life and the only time I've ever seen one of 
 
         them birds is in a clear cut.  That is where they prefer 
 
         to nest.  Here the hunting they do is much easier.
 
 
 
 



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From: David.Aiau@f505.n770.z3.fidonet.org (David Aiau)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: religion
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 18:51:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:770/505 - Southern Vortex, Dunedin

 >     Mr. York York, I am Chris Pease and I live in rural Bonners
 >Ferry in the Idaho Panhandle.  I am 16, a junior, and am very
 >disturbed by your message to Daniel Ashlock.  In this message you
 >state "that when the hoax of religion was concieved".  Why is
 >religion a hoax?  Because it has no actual evidence to prove what
 >it states.  As you know, or maybe you don't, religion is based on
 >faith and that's something that you obviously don't have.

 I thought I'd drop in... 8-) I do not view religion as a hoax, I simply 
don't believe in religion at all... Any individual or organisation is not
 needed to conduct your own life, existence on this planet...

 >     The problem with the religion vs. evolution conflict is there
 >are two extremes.  I disagree with both extremes.  One extreme
 >being religous "freaks" who disbelieve evolution and feel that
 >anything not written in their religion, whatever it may be, is
 >false.  Then there is the other extreme-people like you who
 >disregard religion and "the almighty"(known as God to the non-
 >athiest community) as a whole and believe everything that happens
 >is merely by chance or course of science.

 I understand this and it has its possible is not probable points, Still 
why bother trying to nut this out? Surely it is a wasted effort?

 >     The truth lies between the two extremes, as with most
 >controversies.  People with opinions like yours are narrow-minded
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 Individuals...

 >and very limited and unwilling to accept anything on faith.  Not

 faith is really only a personal preference and/or opinion... Basically!

 >only do I condemn your beliefs but I also am appalled by religous
 >fanatics who are not willing to accept evolution.  Why cannot
 >evolution and religion coexist?  The truth is they do.  And until
 >you are willing to broaden your perception of God and science and
 >accept that they can coincide then you will be accepting a lie.

 There is no lie here, There shouldn't even be a debate!?

 >P.S.:  Please write me back and give me your opinion on my lecture

 >       toward your opinions.

 See, simply opinions... 8-)

L8'er

... DeltaMail v2.40 (#1269)

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From: Holly.Wolf@f615.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Holly Wolf)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Textbooks
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 07:17:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:260/615 - Scholasticom, Palmyra NY

What journals or magazines offer frequent critical reviews of textbooks?


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From: Iain.Macpherson@f405.n622.z3.fidonet.org (Iain Macpherson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: animals
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 20:19:42 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:622/405

DG>     The fact that we even have zoos is basis enough to show
DG>that the animals, at least to the people that care for them
DG>there ARE more important than people. It is hard to have a "let
DG>them run free" attitude because if we did that we couldn't learn
DG>anything about them. And everybody knows you cannot protect what

       Western Plains Zoo at Dubbo (NSW, Australia) has a user friendly roaming-animal zoo. You can get very close to the creatures without danger. No obtrusive bars and fences. Clever landscaping and diversion techniques have succeeded.


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From: Sara.Osterlund@f17.n3400.z1.fidonet.org (Sara Osterlund)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: TALK
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:02:07 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3400/17 - MET NET BBS, Helena MT

Hejsan Huong!I thougt I can always wright you. So what do you think of the afternoon.Aren't you happy it's Friday!Jag vill bli smal! NU Did you catch that? Ithink you did.BY the way,what should we do after we have finnish exercising?Jag vill inte lasa "government",samhalle.But I guess I have to. SEE YOU,Sara

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From: rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Mickey Rowe)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: homosexuality
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:41:24 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <40004.2B5E58F9@puddle.fidonet.org>
   Jessie.Bailey@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Jessie Bailey) writes:

>I also feel that it is a choice that people make to become gay or
>straight.  

These sorts of comments always puzzle me.  I'm a male and I've never
been physically attracted to any other male, but I can't say as that
I've ever made a *choice*.  Can you?  Do you look at other people and
think to yourself "I'd like to be attracted to that person," or "I
don't want to be attracted to that person".  I can't imagine thinking
that, so I wonder if you can.

>I do not feel in any way that the desire to be gay is something you
>are born with.  I feel that there are rare cases in which a person's
>chromosomal make-up is messed up, but as I said, these cases, I feel,
>are extremely rare.

This is good, because once again it's a point of departure for a
scientific discussion.  What difference does it make that you "feel"
such cases are rare?  What we need to do is to find objective criteria
(not an easy thing to do in this case) and attempt to *measure* the
rarity of such cases.  Unfortunately it's still too premature for us
to consider this approach--we don't yet understand enough about what
makes one person attracted to another in order to make that
measurement.  So why do I bring it up?  Because in the absence of any
good measure you have no basis on which to pin your feeling that
"these cases... are extremely rare".  

> I also have another strong opinion about what causes a person to
>choose a homosexual lifestyle.  I feel in most cases, if not all, that
>homosexual tendencies stem from a sexually abusive background.  In
>every case that I have heard of, this has been the case.

This is most excellent, because you're actually pursuing the subject
quasi-scientifically.  Your hypothesis is that a sexually abusive
background causes homosexuality.  Now aside from the observation you
made above, what else would your hypothesis predict?  

> I am not saying that every sexually abused person turns to a gay
>lifestyle, but isn't it possible that a sexually abused person could
>be more susceptible to be confused with their own sexual identity?  I
>believe so.

This was good until you added the "I believe so".  What you should do
is seek out statistics--find out if there is a correlation between
sexual abuse and homosexuality.  If there is, then you can say that
you've found support for your theory.  If there isn't, then you are
going to have to do a little bit of rethink.  That's the way science
is supposed to work.

>Jessie Bailey 

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Mickey Rowe     (rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu)
From: Joey.Villelli@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Joey Villelli)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: evolution
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 09:27:11 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID




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From: John.Crull@f921.n720.z6.fidonet.org (John Crull)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Star trek teaching
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 09:28:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 6:720/921 - World Data Exchange, Taipei Taiwan

Mickey Rowe reminded us re: Klingon anatomy...

 MR> dual supportive/protective structure

Sorry! Got you started and you made my point admirably:  one could scoop up a handful of dirt, point to it, and make nearly any educational point (s)he chose (if (s)he planned ahead).  So the fellow who started this thread wants to use Star Trek instead of a handful of dirt.  Let him do it IF he knows where he's going with it.  YOU do a good job with it!

AND.. maybe organ redundancy in large animals is not realistic on the implied scale of a Klingon - I wouldn't know why - offer me some extra credit and I'll go do some research and find out if there are some credible reasons why.

Branch-to-thread:  What about redundancy in communication systems?

I suppose it depends on what kind of science class you've got before you can entertain this kind of divergence of topics.

EOM - I won't pursue this like a Ferrenghi (spelling?)  :-)




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