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From: composer@Beyond.Dreams.ORG (Jeff Kellem)
Subject: Summer 92 USENIX "Self-Help on the Net" slides [finally] available
Keywords: Summer92 USENIX Conference slides Self-Help Jeff Kellem Beyond Dreams
Reply-To: composer@Beyond.Dreams.ORG
Organization: Beyond Dreams
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:28:09 GMT

When I gave the Invited Talk titled "Self-Help on the Net" at the last
USENIX Conference (Summer 92) in San Antonio, Texas, I promised to
make my slides available via anonymous ftp.  Since I started work on
a new project immediately after returning from the Conference, my 
schedule has been somewhat hectic.  A version of the slides has been
available, though unannounced, for a couple weeks now.

They are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.dreams.org in the
`/pub/self-help' directory.  They should also be available via
anonymous ftp from ftp.uu.net in the near future -- thanks to
UUNET for this.  You can also obtain them from ftp.eff.org
in the /pub/ftp.dreams.org/self-help directory -- thanks to EFF.

Currently, Beyond Dreams hosts (i.e. ftp.dreams.org) can't "talk" to
sites only on the NSFnet backbone.  If you can't connect to
ftp.dreams.org, try to grab a copy from ftp.uu.net or ftp.eff.org.

Hopefully, this will change in the future.

Hope you find the slides (and the talk, if you attended) useful!

Enjoy...

			-jeff

Jeff Kellem
Internet: composer@Beyond.Dreams.ORG
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From: geer@world.std.com (Dan Geer)
Subject: Calling university contacts
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:07:37 GMT



The USENIX Association invites persons at colleges
and universities to become USENIX representatives
on their campus.  The benefits for the students are
an introduction to the premier practical technical
organization in computing.  The benefits for the
Association are the involvement of future practitioners
in our field.  The benefits to you, as a campus rep,
are the opportunity to contribute to USENIX and a
package of benefits including many printed materials,
fee-waived conference admittance, and the like.

Please contact us for further information by emailing
to students@usenix.org

For the University Outreach Committee:

	Pat Wilson
	Melinda Shore
	Sonya Neufer
	Evi Nemeth
	Rob Kolstad
	Dan Geer, Chair

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From: mjr@hussar.dco.dec.com (Marcus J. "will do TCP/IP for food" Ranum)
Subject: Re: USENIX Summer '92 Conference Report
Keywords: USENIX Association
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Washington ULTRIX Resource Center
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:55:33 GMT

> [about obfuscated C contest]
>What's the big fat hairy holdup ? The winners were announced almost 2 months
>ago, and I thought it was going to be posted on ftp.uu.net sometime in July ?

	Perhaps some corporation's lawyers are going over the code with
a fine tooth come to make sure there's nothing trade secret in there. ;)

	Scary thought of the day: Digital owns code I write - I suppose if
I ever write a good obfuscation I should submit it to the lawyers.

mjr.
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
From: hackney@wotan.compaq.com (Greg Hackney)
Subject: Re: USENIX Summer '92 Conference Report
Keywords: USENIX Association
Organization: Compaq Computers
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:14:36 GMT

In article <1149@usenix.ORG> carolyn@usenix.ORG (Carolyn Carr) writes:

 [about obfuscated C contest]
> The full results will be posted to the net (in com-
> p.lang.c, misc.misc, and other places) in a month 
> or two.

What's the big fat hairy holdup ? The winners were announced almost 2 months
ago, and I thought it was going to be posted on ftp.uu.net sometime in July ?

[ I'm anxious to show someone the 'where am i' program ].
--
Greg
From: ulma@coli.uni-sb.de (Ulrich Mayring)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: wanted: good guide for digital fonts
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:51:36 GMT
Organization: U of Saarbruecken, Dept. of Computational Linguistics

Can't help you much with Times-equivalent, but for sans-serif faces why not
try Universe? Of course you'd have to decrease kerning, which should be 
possible in your applications. Universe seems to be the standard answer to
Helvetica for many people, who know more about it than I do and even I kind
of like it. Although the Franklin Gothic shipped with Corel Draw (can't
comment on other versions) feels superior.
But another thing: How come you think Times and Helvetica don't go well
together? People have been using this combination for a long time and it
probably suffices for most everyday needs. IMHO, of course.

Ulrich Mayring
volksdesign.

       - I reject generalizations on principle 
D
D
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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: Jonathan A. Duke <jonathan@hermes.bc.edu>
Subject: Re: a Mac/SoftKeys question
Organization: Boston College
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:00:03 GMT

Subject: a Mac/SoftKeys question
From: babb j, babb@ucselx.sdsu.edu
In article <1992Jul28.171844.27852@ucselx.sdsu.edu> babb j,
babb@ucselx.sdsu.edu writes:
>A friend of mine bought SoftKeys for his Mac IIcx (running Sys 7). When
he
>dragged a bunch of the font to the system folder as per instructions, he
saw
>fonts being written to the system file that don't show up later in font
menus
> of numerous programs. Ex: he saw Americo(Bold), and Americo(Italic)
being
>written to his disk but when he starts up Word they aren't on the menu.
Americo
>itself is on the menu, AND he can bold it (both screen and laserwriter).
Please
>confirm that SoftKeys did in fact write a screen font to his disk and
that
>all fonts with a style in parens after the name are screen fonts and
there
>is no reason for him to panic. For my information, is this a common way
for
>font companies to do things?

I'm not sure what SoftKeys is, but when fonts get installed, often they
show up under only
name in font menus, with the assumption being that to get the bold,
italic or other 
variations you would choose the appropriate transforms from the menu
(like the Format
menu in Word 5).  

If the fonts print correctly, then I wouldn't worry about a thing.  It
all depends on whether
the fonts are "harmonized" or not by the font vendor.  Harmonized fonts
will only show up
as one name and you choose the appropriate stylistic variation from a
menu.  Unharmonized
requires choosing that bold, italic, etc variation from the font menu
where you have
Americo Bold showing.


>Also, what program do I use to make my own bitmapped fonts and install
them in
>the system file (or extensions folder, or wherever).
>THANX!!,

To make Bitmap fonts, Fontastic from Altsys would be the way to go.  If
you want to 
create TrueType or Type One fonts, Fontographer is needed.

Jon Duke "Fonts 'R Us"
From: karplus@cse.ucsc.edu (Kevin Karplus)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: wanted: good guide for digital fonts
Date: 22 Jul 1992 23:52:57 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (Computer Engineering)
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ararat.ucsc.edu

Does anyone have a good guide to digital fonts?
I'm mainly interested in commercially available Adobe Type 1 fonts,
as that is currently what I have software to support.

I am looking for more detail than is provided by "Font & Function", in
fact, more detail than that provided by (undated!) "Adobe Type Guide"
that I bought for a ridiculously high price a couple of years ago.

Ideally I would like complete font samples (as in the Type Guide) plus
tables of x-height, em-width, character width (or characters per pica---and
a clear definition of how this is computed: a-z width, frequency
distribution of characters in English text, ...), and perhaps some of
the parameters in Rubinstein's "Digital Typography".

I'd also like to know whether there are different character shapes for
small font sizes, and I'd like samples of the font on low-resolution
(300dpi) devices.  Ideally, I'd like the guide to be cheap enough that
students in my digital typesetting class could be required to buy one.

------------------------------------------------------------

On another topic:

For my personal use, Ive been considering buying a new text face to
replace the ubiquitous Times as my default font, and am soliciting
advice from the font experts on the net.

I already have Palatino, which I find to be quite pleasant (other than
the quote marks).  Unfortunately, it is wider than Times, and so is
not useful in space-constrained applications (one-page letters, for
example).  I really need a font that is as narrow as Times, but better
looking, or as good, but slightly narrower.

I like the Minion family, and the regular condensed font may meet my need
for getting lots of text in a small space.  (I don't own Minion yet,
but I have the poster, and have looked at the character shapes a
lot---do they work as well on 300-dpi printers?)

I understand that ITC Weidemann is also a good font that is narrower
than Times---how does it compare as a general-purpose font?

I'm also looking for a replacement for the ubiquitous Helvetica (I'm
ashamed to admit it, but GCC sent me a font with a different
name---almost certainly an unlicensed cheap copy).  I have Avant
Garde, but it is too wide for running text.  I really like Optima in
high-resolution printing, but it looks awful in small sizes on a
laser-printer---all those graceful curves turn into straight lines and
stairsteps.

So what do others recommend for all-purpose serif and sans-serif faces 
that allow text as least as dense as Times and Helvetica?  It would be
an added bonus if the fonts looked good together (which Times
and Helvetica do not).

Thanks,

Kevin Karplus
From: rcbi110@muvms3.bitnet (R. ALAN MONROE)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Why does ATM hate "Kathlita"?
Date: 30 Jul 92 10:29:16 GMT
Organization: Marshall University


I have the font "Kathlita" from mac.archive.

Why doesn't ATM like this font?  It looks like crap on screen, especially since
it only comes with 1 tiny bitmap.  (It looks fine on paper though)

Also if I remember right, the oldish version of Fontographer I have access to
won't load it. (?)

Is there any way I can fix it so that ATM will accept it?

((   ||  /\\ \\  / /\\  ((      R. Alan Monroe       (( "What a balmy       ((
 )) _// /--\\ \\/ /--\\  )) rcbi110@muvms3.wvnet.edu  )) night.."-Geddy Lee  ))
((              _       ((                           ((  @ Star Lake on the ((
 ))  ||  /\\  //  ||_/   ))    Pinkwater Rules!       )) coldest first day   ))
((  _// /--\\ \\_ || \  ((            :^)            ((  of summer ever     ((
From: rcbi110@muvms3.bitnet (R. ALAN MONROE)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: wanted: good guide for digital fonts
Date: 30 Jul 92 10:20:07 GMT
Organization: Marshall University


> But another thing: How come you think Times and Helvetica don't go well
> together? People have been using this combination for a long time and it

A bit too long.  They are beginning to hurt my eyes, because they are so
overused, especially in my building where I work... can't speak for the world
in general though.

((   ||  /\\ \\  / /\\  ((      R. Alan Monroe       (( "What a balmy       ((
 )) _// /--\\ \\/ /--\\  )) rcbi110@muvms3.wvnet.edu  )) night.."-Geddy Lee  ))
((              _       ((                           ((  @ Star Lake on the ((
 ))  ||  /\\  //  ||_/   ))    Pinkwater Rules!       )) coldest first day   ))
((  _// /--\\ \\_ || \  ((            :^)            ((  of summer ever     ((
From: dhosek@hmcvax.claremont.edu
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Sabon typeface???
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:10:47 GMT
Organization: Harvey Mudd College

In article <1992Jul22.150030.22765@trilithon.mpk.ca.us>, henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton) writes:
> In article <1992Jul21.161043.2925@coli.uni-sb.de> ulma@coli.uni-sb.de (Ulrich  
> Mayring) writes:
>     *  Does anybody know if Tschichold's SABON has been converted
>     *  to postscript? If yes, where would it be available?
>     *  Unfortunately I don't possess an Adobe font catalog, thus
>     *  I can't find out myself.  (come to think of it, how much
>     *  does Adobe charge for it?)
         
> Adobe supply two Sabon font packages, both licensed through
> Linotype-Hell A. G.
 
> Package number 88 is $185 and contains Sabon Roman, Sabon Italic,
> Sabon Bold, and Sabon Bold Italic.
 
> Package number 197 is also $185 and is Sabon small caps and old
> style figures, again in Roman, Italic, Bold, and Bold Italic faces.

Monotype also has their vsion of Sabon available in Type 1 format. This is
presumably also available at roughly the same price.

As an aside, Monotype's FoneFonts CD is quite an economical way
to obtain typefaces. The CD lists for $49, periodic upgrades are
free or cheap, and fonts can be had for $20/face if you shop
around making Sabon an $80 proposition. Of course you'll need a
CD ROM drive, but that's not too difficult either.

-dh
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: iisakkil@vipunen.hut.fi (Mika R Iisakkila)
Subject: Re: Editing DOS Windows 3.1 Fonts?
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:05:18

alu@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (Alan Lustiger) writes:

>I was able to edit the windowed font in 3.0 using ZSoft's PTF
>Bitmap editor, but those fonts do not work in 3.1.

Recently I downloaded a number of DOS box fonts from cica (woa* something).
The package had some information in it (which I have deleted...).
Apparently the face name has to be "Terminal" for the fonts to work in
a DOS box.

--
Segmented Memory Helps Structure Software
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: dmandl@kabbalah.shearson.com (David Mandl)
Subject: Bug in Pacific Page PostScript cartridge??
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:57:24 GMT

I've just discovered what seems to be a bug in the Pacific Page
cartridge's PostScript emulation.  I'm using the font Template
Gothic (from Emigre Graphics), and, even though everything displays
fine on the screen, the descenders on the letter "g" are cut off
when I print point sizes < 12.  I've never seen anything like this
happen before.  I'm using Windows 3.1 on an IBM compatible machine
and an HP LaserJet III.  Anyone have any idea what's going on here???

   --Dave.

--
---------------------------------------------------------------
         Dave Mandl            |    Opinions expressed here
       New York City           | are not those of my employer,
(dmandl@kabbalah.shearson.com) |          believe me.
---------------------------------------------------------------
From: mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: True Type, Adobe, & Sys. 7
Date: 14 Jul 92 19:50:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Developer Technical Support, Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Jul9.231221.25921@a.cs.okstate.edu>, norman@a.cs.okstate.edu (Norman Graham) writes:
> 
> Also, ATM is supposed to be rolled into Apple's system software soon (7.1 ?)
> -- 
> Norman Graham
> <norman@a.cs.okstate.edu>                 Standard Disclaimer Applies

Nonononononono.

What Apple said:

"Type 1 font rendering technology will be included in future system software."

What people heard:

"Apple's building in ATM."

What's the difference:

ATM implies a specific interface, backdoor call set and mode of operation that
Apple will _not_ be including in the system software.

QuickDraw GX treats Type 1 fonts just like TrueType fonts -- both are full
graphic citizens and can be skewed, rotated, manipulated (and a whole lot
more if line layout tables are included).  It does not support the ATM human
or programming backdoor interface.

And it's not part of release 7.1.

============================================================================
Matt Deatherage, Developer Support Center, Apple Computer, Inc.
Personal mail only -- please POST technical questions, questions about
Apple and its policies, where to find documents and related inquiries.
The opinions I express don't represent Apple, which makes us both happy.
============================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: howell@blegga.u.washington.edu (David Howell)
Subject: Re: Is "Charter" available?
Organization: University of Washington
 
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:41:08 GMT

Charter is a font created by Bitstream, specifically designed to
render quickly and look good at low resolutions. It is constructed
of remarkably few segments, and the serifs and many sides are straight
lines.

More interesting is that Bitstream has released some of the Charter
faces for public distribution, as part of some X-Windows project.

...Oops. When I re-packaged them for my disks, I misplaced
the distribution agreement, so I can't show you. Darn. Anyway,
it came with Courier as well, and Adobe has released some
Utopia faces for the same project, unless this is all some
terribly cruel hoax. :/

The Charter package includes roman, italic, bold, and bold italic.
It does not include black and black italic. These must be purchased
from Bitstream.



Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: ccacct@wl.aecl.ca
Subject: RE: Asian character fonts/typesetting
Organization: AECL RESEARCH
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:25:24 GMT

Hello,
        It is not clear to me from your message which Asian Languages you are
talking about, but I have designed a system on Macintosh to input text in
two Indian languages, namely Telugu and Devanagari (used to write Hindi as well as Sanskrit). The system uses  8 bit ascii fonts developed by myself and
has an editor built for these fonts including the rules of composition.
In other words, it maintains a small buffer of past and current key strokes and adjusts the context on the screen and in the file as the keys are pressed
phonetically on the keyboard. This editor is simply an an input interface
which enbles you to input text in English, Telugu and Devanagari scripts
and also do simple editing such cut & paste, search/replace etc. The
ascii files produced by this editor can be ported into more sophistcated
word processors for further formatting & page making. The fonts for
Telugu are postscript & bitmapped format and for devanagari they are
in Bitmapped format only. Any Indian language can be added to this editor
by desiging the relevant font and writing a context analysis module.

        If you want more info, please send me e mail.

Sincerely,

Krishna Desikachary.
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton)
Subject: Re: WANTED: composite font generator + ATM-J specs
Organization: Trilithon Software
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 16:35:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.134259.1556@alf.uib.no> edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold)  
writes:
    *  I need a tool (a la Fontographer, but it doesn't do it) to
    *  make PS fonts, but which works for composite fonts.  Why
    *  composite fonts? Because this is for a Japanese kana/kanji font.
There's nothing particularly magic about composite fonts.  The base
fonts of a composite font are just regular old Type 1 or Type 3 fonts. So
you'd need a font editor to hack them.

The top level font (Type 0 font) of a composite font is so simple to construct
that making a font editor to do it would be like shooting mosquitoes with
cruise missiles.  Here's an example of a five-font composite I called
Super-Palatino, as an example of how to construct the top level font
of a composite font.

12 dict                                 %  create font dictionary
begin                                   %  put on dictionary stack
    /FontName /Super-Palatino def       %  name of font
    /FontType 0 def                     %  0 = composite font
    /WMode 0 def                        %  0 = horizontal writing mode
    /FontMatrix matrix def              %  dummy matrix
    /Encoding [ 0 1 2 3 4 ] def         %  simple encoding\*mfive fonts
    /FMapType 3 def                     %  3 = escape mapping
    /EscChar 255 def                    %  use 255 as escape character
    /FDepVector [                       %  define descendant fonts
        /Palatino-Roman findfont
        /Palatino-Italic findfont
        /Palatino-Bold findfont
        /Palatino-BoldItalic findfont
        /ZapfDingbats findfont
    ] def                               %  descendant fonts
    FontName                            %  name of font on stack
    currentdict                         %  current dictionary on stack
end                                     %  pop font from dictionary stack
definefont                              %  define the font
pop
From: hho@usc.edu (*** N.T.K.C.D. ***)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: CHEAP FOnt Editor
Date: 23 Jul 1992 16:32:33 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

WOuld someone please tell me is there a 
Free->CHeap font editor for WINDOW 3.1 TRUETYPE?
I want to create some Vietnamese font (none available yet)

Thank you......

H.
 

-- 
*******************************************************************************
Hung P. Ho, Jr. (John)     USC DENTISTRY    PH.SYSTEMS          CCCOGP  
                           hho@usc.edu      hung@phsys.com      hung@cccogp.com
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: dan@sil.org (Dan Lord)
Subject: TrueType hinting of composite characters
Organization: Summer Institute of Linguistics
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 21:53:19 GMT

I've read the TrueType spec, but I still have a question.  (Perhaps I didn't
read it carefully enough.  If not, please forgive me.) If one was to take a
hinted character, e.g., an 'a', and combine it with a hinted diacritic, e.g., a
tilde, thus creating a new character, when the composite character is rendered,
are the hints of the individual pieces applied?  Or, does one need to re-hint
the new character? 

Do the previous questions make sense?

Thank you in advance for any help offered.
-- 
Dan Lord                            
Summer Institute of Linguistics      Phone: (214)709-3319
7500 W. Camp Wisdom Road          Internet: dan@sil.org
Dallas, TX  75236                     UUCP: ...!uunet!convex!txsil!dan
From: stilden@igc.org (Scott Tilden)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Mac ATM with Type 3 fonts
Date: 25 Jul 92 04:39:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1992Jul22.180627.20396@news.uiow:-155706222:cdp:1347000015:000:283
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!stilden    Jul 24 21:39:00 1992


Sorry -- ATM only works with type one fonts, NOT type 3 fonts. ATM needs the aortant hints to be able to render properly for the screen.

Also, there are tighter requirements for characters under type one as to points and,
particularly, stroking of characters.

      --Scott Tilden
From: dodel@CAM.ORG (Jean-Pierre Dodel)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Any font collectors?
Summary: Any font collectors?
Keywords: font
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:28:45 GMT
Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, QC CANADA

I am looking for font collectors who are willing to exchange postscript
(or truetype) fonts. Please e-mail me to the address on the message header
or to:
           jack@concour.cs.concordia.ca

-JP

-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

                       Jean-Pierre Dodel
From: ath@linkoping.trab.se (Anders Thulin)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Arabic ATM fonts
Date: 24 Jul 92 10:51:00 GMT
Organization: Telia Research AB, Teknikringen 2B, S-583 30 Linkoping, Sweden

In article <19920723.122043.624@almaden.ibm.com> fischths@wmavm7.ibm.com (Scott Fischthal) writes:
>I'm looking for an Arabic language Type 1 ATM font.  Does anyone know
>where I can find one? 

My mail bounces - no such user.

---

It's been some time since I used their package, but:

        Eastern Language Systems
        39 West 300 North
        Provo, Utah 84601
        (801) 377-4558

used to have Arabic/Persian PostScript fonts for their AlKaatib word
processor.

This address is from 1987, so I can't swear it's correct anymore.

Hope this is of any help,

-- 
Anders Thulin       ath@linkoping.trab.se 
Telia Research AB, Teknikringen 2B, S-583 30 Linkoping, Sweden