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From: d85-hga@dront.nada.kth.se (Hillevi Gavel)
Subject: Birth
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:19:49 GMT

This is a bit late, but this is the first time since the beginning of
October that I've been able to take time to log in.

Announcement:

October 7: Born, a little human baby, named VANDA GAVEL.
48 cm, 3.3 kg (whatever that make in non-metric units)

A birth-story will follow when I've written one. (As I think many on
the net might be interested in foreign practices, it will be a long
one).
Big brother noted that the family had grown, and returned to his own
buisness. (After all, a small baby is not very useful as a
play-thing).


-- 
Hillevi Gavel		"The child may not be subject to corporal punishment 
Stockholm		or other abusive treatment" 
Sweden			-- Swedish law
From: drh@dpfe.UUCP (David R Huddleston Sr)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Spanking,etc.
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:50:47 GMT
Reply-To: drh@dpfe.UUCP ()
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Division of AT&T

In response to the response from my last post, I was just venting some steam.
I just really get frustrated hearing all the complaining about raising children,
and the problems encountered by parents who are more interested in their careers\
or personal life than their childrens.  Oh well, I guess that is one of the 
things that happens when you get old and gray, you lose patience with other
adults...

Sorry for the blow up.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: carnes@ico.isc.com (Steve Carnes)
Subject: Re: MUSIC IN LABOUR
Organization: Interactive Systems Corp., Boulder CO
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:22:07 GMT

	pwyc@cbnewse.cb.att.com (peter.w.chen) writes:
>...primarily for the benefit of the fetus, so to my mind selecting
>music during labor should consider the child more than the mother.  How about
>something like "Also Sprach Zarathustra (sp?)" or "Fanfare for the Common
>Man"?  Or the Olympic theme?!?

    Handel's "Entrance of the Queen of Sheba"
    Mozart's "Musical Joke"
or (grossly)
    Handel's "Water Music"
-- 
Steve Carnes       carnes@ico.isc.com        uucp: {ncar,nbires}!ico!carnes
   "Rock gives reality to the otherwise abstract notion of transhuman
    time." - Edward Abbey
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ma@id.com (Mary Anne Walters)
Subject: Birth Announcement!!
Reply-To: ma@id.com
Organization: Intrinsic Development Corporation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:25:13 GMT

Just a quick one to announce the  arrival of:

Jackson Matthew Walters
8 lbs. 11 ozs.
20 3/4 inches 
Born 12:46 AM 1/4/93

Proud parents:

Chris and Mary Anne Walters

Mom and baby doing fine, except for a few breast feeding problems.
We'll keep working at it and will post a full story of the birth
later in the week.

Mary Anne
-- 
Mary Anne
******************************************************************************
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Parents Magazine confuses on circumcision
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:38:07 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <1993Jan6.234443.23315@news.eng.convex.com>, ramon@convex.com (Ramon Dominguez) writes:
> In article <1993Jan6.194547.11278@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
> =>In article <gdavis.726346857@griffin> gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis) writes:
> =>> Although PARENTS magazine is in general a "party line"
> =>>Yuppie(Jewish) magazine,they could have done parents a better service
> =>        ??????
> =>
> =>(I just checked with my non-Jewish office partner to see if I was being
> =>oversensitve. She assures me I am not)
> =>
> =>WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? ARE YUPPIES JEWISH. ARE ALL JEWS YUPPIE?
> =>ARE YOU ANTI-SEMETIC? 

> 
> If you had read the entire article, you would have realized that Gary was
> saying that the publisher of this magazine is Jewish.  He is talking about
> Jewish yuppies.  Some yuppies are Jews, some Jews are yuppies.  What is
> your problem anyway?  You don't have to read *anything* on the net, by the
> way.  You don't have to post anything either, I certainly won't miss it.

Excuse me, but my interpretation of that first line of the original posting was
the same as Laura's, and I too wondered why in the world the (Jewish) was
inserted.  My second thought was also that it certainly sounded anti-semitic to
me.  And I did read the entire article, so there.  How do I draw a
sticking-out-the-tongue face, to match the amazingly erudite tone of
your last two sentences.

Ann Helmers
From: house@helios.usq.EDU.AU (ron house)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: University of Southern Queensland
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:20:35 GMT

<RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:

>   Perhaps the best argument is that circumcision makes sense precisely
>because it makes no sense.

BOY!! Can I win a few arguments with THAT kind of reasoning!

>Many communities  have irrational customs which
>others, for obvious reasons, do not want to follow.  This means that this
>custom becomes a mark of membership in the community and people within
>the community can recognise and identify with other members of it and
>help each other.

What planet does this guy come from?!  Where I live (Australia) we don't
go round inspecting each other's penises to decide which 'community' we
belong in!  Perhaps I should watch out for a big culture shock if I ever
visit America.

--

Ron House.                 USQ
(house@helios.usq.edu.au)  Toowoomba, Australia.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tlholli@srv.PacBell.COM (Theresa Hollidge)
Subject: Re: Castor Oil
Reply-To: tlholli@srv.PacBell.COM
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:54:40 GMT

My sister tried it (she would have tried anything).  It brought on contractions, but
she didn't dilate, so she was just miserable.  If she's anything to go by, it wasn't
effective.  How about washing and waxing the kitchen floor by hand?  That might bring
on labor and it doesn't make you nauseated.

teresa   (due 4-10-93)

---
  Teresa L. Hollidge
  Methodologies, Tools and Infrastructure
  Strategic Informations Systems Division
  Pacific Bell
  2600 Camino Ramon, Room 4N250Z	phone: (510)823-6798
  San Ramon, California 94583		e-mail: tlholli@zeus.srv.pacbell.com

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: New Sleep Question: Please Help
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 17:55:56 GMT

In article <16B54A118.M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org> M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk) writes:
>In article <3496@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM>
>chrisw@chopin.FtCollins.NCR.com (Chris Whitley) writes:
>>My 25 month old has acquired a new habit in the last couple of
>>months.  She wakes up somewhere between 0 and 4 times per night
>>and cries for her Mommy.  If I get up immediately, go into her
>>room, rearrange her pillows and animals back to "tuck in" position
>>and recover her with her blankies, she instantly returns to sleep...
>>whole process taking about 2 minutes in entirety.  I have never
>>picked her up, nor does she ask me to.  I do not talk with her,
>>except to say that "Mommy was sleeping, and does not want to wake
>>up.  Please do not wake her up again!  You are okay."  I do say
>>"Night Night" upon my exit, and blow her a kiss.

  I have this occasionally also.  Usually it's because the neighbors
  upstairs are having a party.  My son will call out in a meek
  voice, "mommy, mommy."  And I have to go in and tell him "everything's
  okay, please go back to sleep." and he'll immediately go back to
  sleep.  However it takes me a bit longer to go back to sleep!

>>     ...
>  I had a similar problem but my child didn't want to sleep in his bed.
>  I have a 25-month-old son who has never liked sleeping in his bed, and
>I never minded it that he wanted to sleep with my husband and me.  However,
>my husband minded!

  Actually my son minds very much.  We had this habit of letting him
  fall asleep in our bed and then transferring him to his crib. (I know
  it's not what Ferber suggests, but we didn't have a problem).  Then
  we noticed that it took him longer to fall asleep in our bed because
  he wanted to talk, to play with his stuffed animals, and would alternate
  between giving me a hug, giving my husband a hug, etc.  Finally we
  asked him if he wanted to go to the crib, and he sat up and held up
  his hands, indicating yes.  And he immediately settles in comfortably
  in his crib and falls asleep.  So maybe if you let him sleep in your
  bed, but disturb him (not that we intentionally did) so that he
  can't fall asleep, he'll want to be in his crib instead.

>  My son could crawl out of his crib - so we took the side off the crib and
>gave him a railing and a little stool (One Step Ahead catalog, or Right

  My son's working on climbing into his crib.  But we told him it's
  dangerous to climb out!  He seems to believe us on that point too.

  Lately I've been working in the idea of buying him a bed (so I can
  give the crib to the new baby).  So far, he likes his crib.  But
  I'm mentioning car-beds and going to the store to get a big bed.
  Sort of like brainwashing...
Newsgroups: misc.kids

As a family day care operator who at one time had four infants in my care
(crazy I know), I was surprised to read that your washing machine was having
trouble.  I was easily doing a load a day, sometimes soaking the diapers in the
washing machine while getting rest at night.  I've heard that pre-soaking the
diapers in a solution of Boraxo cuts the uric acid level, but I've never done
it personally.  I, too, never measure the amount of bleach, so I can't imagine 
that bleach is responsible.  Congrats on using cloth diapers and best of luck!

Darcy Wharton
(using my husband's log-on)

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa)
Subject: The Mouse and the Motorcycle
Originator: cew@pelham
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:30:12 GMT

About a month ago the Disney channel ran a movie entitled
The Mouse and the Motorcycle.  We had to eat dinner before
it was over so se taped the last ten minutes.  My soon to
be three year old son wathces those last ten minutes
repeatedly.  I wish I had taped the whole thing.  It
really is a cute movie.  Has anyone ever seen it for
sale???  I would love to buy a copy.  I keep scanning
the Disney Channel Magazine for future showings, but
so far there have not been any.

We took him to see Aladdin on New Year's Day and he
was spell bound.  It was his first movie in a movie
theater.  My husband and I also really liked it :-).

Cathryn W. Chiesa
cew@med.unc.edu

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507))
Subject: Re: The Schoo Didn't Fit
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:12:10 GMT

>  What are some general guidelines about how old a child has to
>  be and the period of time left alone?
>
>  For example:
>  under 10, never left alone.
>  10-12 left alone while mother works
>  13-15 overnight
>  16+ vacation

Somebody else mentioned the age "12" as a magic number, in legal terms,
in some states.  Pardon me if this was already mentioned, but I just heard
another story about a parent taking a vacation and leaving two kids,
ages 13 and 16 alone.  I think those were the ages, and I believe that
this parent was also arrested.  This was in upstate NY, and there may
be more going on than the obvious, because the incident was reported
by the other parent & they are separated.

>  So does anyone know the official word about how old and what period
>  of time?

I'm curious, too, because it would seem to me that the 16-year-old and
13-year-old would begin to be entering the fuzzy area.  I know that when
I was 17, I was living on my own (off to college), and that my 14-year-old
sister would visit for extended times.  (Not a lot of difference between
16/13 and 17/14...)

Ken
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Was:(furniture questions) Now: cradle & bassinnett mattresses
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:45:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <19930106142720SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>, SASTLS@mvs.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer) writes...
>>in article: <C0Eqtn.Huo@inews.Intel.COM> Valerie Noronha asks:
>>
I guess this must be why bassinets are so popular. :-)  After
>>investing in a nice crib and good mattress I'd rather not opt for a
>>bassinet (especially as our room is plenty big enough for the crib).

Friends lent us an almost new crib with almost new mattress, and 
a cradle with bumper pads and foam mattress.  We bought a 
bassinnett at a garage sale for $10 and it has a foam mattress.

I'm not worried about the crib and crib mattress, but the foam 
cradle and bassinnett mattresses worry me.  The foam is soft and 
about 2" thick.  Too soft I think.  In fact, I bought a new 
mattress for the bassinnett and probably will buy one for the 
cradle too.  The new mattress is made of polyfill and has a 
liquid-proof cover.  In the middle is a board which makes it 
firm, yet comfortable.  I don't think the baby's face can sink 
into this type of mattress (causing suffocation) whereas the foam 
really worried me.  I notice that bassinnetts all seem to come 
with foam mattresses, some with 1/4" foam and some with up to 2" 
foam.  Are these really safe?

Another question.  The bassinnett is narrower at the bottom than 
at the top, so there are very slight "dips" at the side where the 
new polyfill mattress meets the sides of the bassinnett.  These 
are not cracks, just dips that occur because the mattress is 
slightly rounded and the sides of the bassinnett flare out.  The 
dips were bigger with the foam mattress.  Being totally paranoid, 
is this something to worry about?

- Peggy -
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: mommy's shadow, (was Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: long
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:25:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.191854.15050@octel.com>, cathy@octel.com (Cathy Kearns) writes...
> 
>Do you mean do preschoolers regularly leave their mommies alone for
>more than, say 2 minutes?  Okay, my daughter also watches me shower,
>mostly because if I lock the door I come out to find her in a heap
>on the floor crying.  
> 
>Right now, the only time she seems to do things by herself is when
>she is watching videos in her room, and we don't want to push that
>too much.  Now, admittedly, its kind of fun to let her help in the
>kitchen.  And I love to watch her put puzzles together.  And I can't
>expect her to figure out her workbooks all by herself.  But I am
>getting just a bit tired to patting all her "babies".  And if I'm
>there, she doesn't do the puzzles herself, which makes her so proud
>if she does do them herself.  I've noticed that when we color together
>it quickly evolves into mommy drawing requests, and she doesn't want
>to draw anything.  
> 
>Any ideas on getting her just a little more independent.  (I miss
>interacting with my husband.)
> 
Well, no ideas, I too have a shadow. The only thing that has
worked for us was for  the child to grow older. It certainly
can get annoying to have to wait for my son to descend the stairs
to the basement when all I am going to do is start a wash that
had been soaking, then turn around and go right back upstairs.
Sigh. I guess in a few years I'll be nostalgic about these days. 8-)

                                 Patti Twigg
From: slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Diaper question.
Date: 4 Jan 93 10:04:49 MDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Omega:  The Final Solution

In article <1i8q13INNdi3@gap.caltech.edu>, prnott@cco.caltech.edu
(Prabhu R. Nott) writes:
> Folks:
> 	Has anybody experimented with the Ultratrim variety of Huggies
> or any other brand of diapers?  They are much more compact than the
> regular diapers, but I am wondering if that is at the expense of their
> absorbence.  Has any body tried it out?  Thanks,

     They don't seem to suffer significant absorbency problems.  But
then, we only use disposables for things like travel and sleep.  They
work especially well for trips to Grandma's, since they take up less
space.
-- 
Patrick S. Clark | "We are not in the Eighth Dimension.
Email is life!   |  We are over New Jersey.  All is not lost."
Usual disclaimer | --Unidentified red Lectroid announcer
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: johnp@gr.hp.com (John Parsons)
Subject: Fallen arches - toddler
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:49:03 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

Our daughter finally started walking at 18 months.  Thats when we
noticed she has fallen arches.  She seems to walk without pain or
unusual difficulty, but her arches collapse and her feet point outward.

Weve been to two podiatrists.  One says the cause is loose ligaments
and recommends immobilizing her feet in casts to stiffen them up in the
proper position.  He says this would take around 3 months, possibly
followed by the use of orthotics.

Podiatrist #2 says that using casts would be a waste of time, that they
should only be used in extreme cases, and he would just prescribe
orthotics to encourage her feet to grow in the proper direction.

Same girl, same symptoms, two widely different opinions.  Before I flip
a coin, would anyone care to comment?


Thanks,
John Parsons       johnp@gr.hp.com
Hewlett Packard, Greeley, Colorado
From: cooper@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lynette Cooper)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: airport waiting area
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:07:04 GMT
Reply-To: cooper@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lynette Cooper)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


I'm so glad the original poster told us about play areas in airports.
I've never seen one, but then maybe I wasn't looking in the right place.
At least now I know to ask if I ever need one.

As Laura said though, airports can be very exciting themselves.  Depending
on the age of the child I suppose.  I remember thinking that airports
were the most thrilling and exciting places in the world.  I was old
enough to realize that people there were travelling all over the world.
And there are so many happy, excited travelers.  At least it was that
way in the "old" days.  Now airports are probably more like bus terminals!


				       Lynn Cooper
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Amy Moseley Rupp)
Subject: Followup on My Difficult 2 month old
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:33:20 GMT

Followup & more details...Elizabeth had a fever last week and at the same
time became increasingly more difficult to feed, eventually nearly refusing
the bottle.  She was checked for an ear infection and for teeth, and she
had neither.  The fever went away but the difficult eating part persists.
There's a part of me that thinks she has colic, but a part that thinks 
something is horribly wrong, too!

She still sometimes eats only 2 oz of formula and then screams and wails
as if in incredible pain if offered more.  The only thing that consoles
her is a) breastfeeding and b) being patted on the back.  We can usually
calm her down with one of these two things but try & put her down or
change clothes/diapers and it is like she is being tortured, terrible
awful breathholding, heartrending screams of pain.  It DOES follow
a daily pattern, but it's 12 HOURS a day or so, like 2 pm - 2 am.

The ped was of the opinion to refuse her the breast because I don't
make enough milk to be her sole supply, and besides that I need her
to take a bottle occasionally.  She thinks the baby's holding out
for the breast.  Also, she won't be held by my husband very long
or well when she's in this state; she wants me!  I don't want to
refuse her the breast because a) it works so well, and b) how can
you refuse a sobbing little baby mouthing frantically at your shirt?

The ped went ahead and immunized Elizabeth, and she did OK with that.
In fact she might have been a TAD better, maybe due to the Tempra
drops we gave her that day.  (If she really IS in pain)  But remember,
it can't be the immunizations causing this, because she was doing it
before the shots.

How do you handle this?  This is not simple crying, this is gasping,
shieking, thin wails of pain and suffering.  The only thing is that
it is consolable with breastfeeding and backpatting.  Has anyone else
had this, where the dr assures you the baby is fine but she still
cries so terribly?  WHEN DOES IT END?????
-- 
Amy Moseley Rupp			Mother to Elizabeth AnneMarie,
amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com		born 11/4/92 
(512) 329-7117				

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mary@anasazi.com (Mary Curtis)
Subject: Re: airport waiting area
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Arizona USA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:47:27 GMT

RE: children's play area in the airport ...

Were you waiting at a Southwest Airlines gate?  The only place I've
seen children's play areas in airports are at Southwest's gates
(Phoenix Sky Harbor - Terminal 4 SW area has a play house with slide
and a table).  The airline supplies the play area.

SW is always crowded, feels like a cattle car (no assigned seating),
but is priced right and seems to cater to families.  They have a
limited service area and specialize in short departure/destination
flights (often times only an hour travel) so comfort isn't a biggie.

I wish more airlines supplied a play area for children whether
preparing to depart of waiting for an arrival!

Mary Curtis
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@launchpad.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy)
Subject: Re: Diaper question.
Keywords: Huggies, Ultratrim
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:21:28 GMT

In article <1i8q13INNdi3@gap.caltech.edu> prnott@cco.caltech.edu (Prabhu R. Nott) writes:
>Folks:
>	Has anybody experimented with the Ultratrim variety of Huggies
>or any other brand of diapers?  They are much more compact than the
>regular diapers, but I am wondering if that is at the expense of their
>absorbence.  Has any body tried it out?  Thanks,
>
>Prabhu
>-- 
yes I have tried it for our five month daughter and it worked fine. I did
not notice any significant difference in absorbency. In fact I preferred
it because it was less bulky.
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