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From: Tom thumb
Subject: Re: East Coast
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:44:26 GMT

In article <2A6D873C.4093@noiro.acs.uci.edu> mrichey@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Mike Richey) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.232944.2369@vestek.com> marcus@vestek.com (Mark Stephen) writes:
>
>>     What venues have the Dead by kicked out of ?
>
>I'd be willing to say that Irvine Meadows in Laguna Hills California
>is a decent answer. Although I did see Bob play there earlier this
>month. JGB will be there on August 1st. 
>
I know Worcester Mass never wants to see them again (and probably
NOT jerry as well...).  I don't believe that they will
be back to Hartford OR providence as well....the circus created
many problems the last times they played these venues (many years
...ago....)

Don't believe they'll be let back to the Marin Vets as well....bummer
My parents went to show on the Island on the fairgrounds where
the Vet is located seeing I think it was Hank Williams, Jr....(Dad
likes that Country/BlueGrass thing..... They get a big tent and
stands....but I wouldn't want to see them at that type of place...

Just as bad as the Melody Tent in Hyannis.....whose first show of the
year was the Righteous Brothers......AAAAGGGGHHHH....Help Mr Wizard...

Twizzle, Twazzle, Twuzzle, Twum....time for this one to go to work!

Cheers

Tom Thumb.....

Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:53:38 -0400 
From: "Jeremy G. Mereness" <jm7e+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Tipper Update!
	<14f16bINN1l0@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU>


ST702459@brownvm.brown.edu (Jordan Schwartz) writes:

> "cop-killer" by Ice-T. Many would argue that he is simply venting his
> justifiable anger against a bigotted society. However, how would we feel if
> the song was called "Jew Killer" or "Head Killer". There are clearly some
> cases where we can see intuitively that it is abuse of "free speech" to
> use the media to spread "dangerous" ideas. 

Hmmm. That's tough to say. Kinda goes back to whether the KKK has a
right to march if they want to (Skokie Illinois case, Supreme Court,
can't remember how long ago). 

But the irony of the whole thing is that the more attention people
give something like 2-Live Crew "Nasty as they Wanna Be", the more
albums they sell. Had there not been that kind of ruckus, nobody would
have bothered to pay attention.

Perhaps if the KKK marched, and nobody came to see 'em, they'd all get
bored and go home. They might even get a clue. Kinda like little kids
with temper tantrums... ignore 'em and they start to see how silly
they are.

I have faith in the American audience. Someone comes up with something
tasteless and stupid, they probably won't sell any records, and they
will no longer get signed or produced by a record company. And that
ends that. It's gov't and folks like Tipper who put a spotlight on
stuff that would otherwise just disappear. 

> "who defines 'dangerous'"? Well, someone HAS to, otherwise cross-burnings,
> etc. will be legal and common. 
> ...that this means we should simply dismiss the idea of controlling what kinds
> hateful words impressionable youth are exposed to.

I don't think so. Let's keep the line drawn between saying something
and actually doing it. Do it, you go to jail. Say it, well, let the
hot air rise and then go on with your life. That's how you get along with
bitchy people and drunks in real life, right? You let them have their say
and change the subject... argue with them and you're asking for a fight.

And I don't buy this stuff about impressionable minds, whatever age.
Music and movies don't alter behavior. Parenting and environment do.
Give some credit to the human mind :-)

whaddya think?

> 
> Feel free to respond via E-mail for a more extended debate...
> 
> Jordan

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From: bs810@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (D. Eric Nay)
Subject: Re: Barlow on hackers
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 01:27:56 GMT


madden@dingding.mcs.anl.gov (Mr. William P. Madden) writes:
>As mentioned there was an article in the NYT about Barlow on hackers.
>The same article was in the Chicago Tribune's business section
>on Friday 24 July. Below is what was said by/about Barlow on the topic:
>***********
>In one highly publicized incident, during a 1989 forum on computers and 
>privacy sponsored by Harper's magazine, John Perry Barlow, a freelance 
>journalist and lyricist for the Grateful Dead, went head to head with Abene,
>or Phiber Optik. Barlow called the young hacker a "punk."
>According to an article by Barlow - an account that Abene will not confirm
>or deny - Abene then retaliated by "downloading" Barlow's credit history,
>displaying it on the computer screens of Barlow and other network users.

>"I've been in redneck bars wearing shoulder-length curls, police custody
>while on acid, and Harlem after midnight, but no one has ever put the
>spook in me quite as Phiber Optik did at that moment." Barlow wrote,
>"To a middle-class American, one's credit rating has become nearly identical
>to his freedom."
>***********

Indeed.  For a more complete and clear picture of the above related story,
and an interesting, well written read on cyberspace and the beginnings of
The Electronic Frontier Foundation, read Barlow's "crime-and-puzzlement"
available via anonymous FTP from ftp.eff.org
It's in the pub/EFF/papers directory.  Don't think I'm violating any rules
by tellin' y'all that, it is suggested that you pick it up in the 
August issue of Whole Earth Review as well, but that was like 1990, and I'd
probably have trouble findin' a current issue here in the East, much less
back issues.:-)  Anyway, some intriguing stuff goin' on out here in the
electrosphere, check it out.  EFF has newsgroups comp.org.eff.talk and .news
in the Usenet hierarchy now as well.  Just ignore the copyright wars...:-0,
or not.  Maybe some of you will join EFF in their endeavours.

>Quite scary stuff. Though it is a shame they call these idiots hackers in
>the media.

Sensationalist stereotyping in the media???  'magine that...
And leave it to 'the media' to pick and choose what they quote.

>I wonder if John lurks :)

Indeed he does.  Probably gettin' ready to berate me for not explaining what
EFF is...:-) :-) :-)  More likely though he's interweaving (BSP) 660-225-104SV,
Phiber Optik, digital spelunking and some unknown quantities together into a 
new Bob tune, "St. of Cyberstance" :-)  Or hard at work.  Perhaps these posts
with his name up there alongside 'hacker' will get him to take a break and
say hi. :-)

>Bill Madden
>madden@mcs.anl.gov

Anyway, check out the paper, much more enlightening to read the source.
eric n
"sure dont know what I'm goin' for, Cy-ber-space is fun to explore..." :-)

p.s. standard disclaimers...
From: sax.uoregon (Norma Sax)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: re:veneta showtimes
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:06:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Jul23.150653.12024
Organization: university of oregon

i believe the dead are scheduled to play around 2 p.m. kesey's going to do a poetry reading, presumably some time before that. i'm not sure what time the gates are open.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: charles@phx.mcd.mot.com (Charles Wolff)
Subject: Re: Request for Las Vegas Steve Miller song titles...
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:06:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.041714.18065@sequent.com> mjs@sequent.com (Mike Spitzer) writes:
}
}Steve Miller Band	5/31/92
}UNLV Silver Bowl, Las Vegas, NV
}
	On the tapes we sent out, there was another song BEFORE
	Wild Mountain Honey.  Lyrics something like, "I don't wanna
	be loved by nobody but you..."  There was a phrase,
	"Kisses So Sweet..." that appeared a couple times in the
	song, so that's what I called it on the labels I made up
	for the tapes I sent out.  Anybody know the real title of
	this one?

	While I'm at it: did any of the tapers on the Net send copies
	of the Sunday SMB show to Steve Miller, per his request???  I've
	made a copy, and if I don't hear from anybody I'll mail it off
	this week...  

}  Wild Mountain Honey
}  All Your Lovin'
}  Tore Down
From: philw@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Philip White)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Do all dead shows sell out?
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:56:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: vice.10044
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.


Someone asked if all Dead shows sell out.
 
The previous Oregon show, Autzen stadium in Eugene, did not sell out.
I think that was 1990 (if not 90 then 89).
 
I find this interesting because there had to be less than 20,000 people
at Autzen, and now they sold out 80,000.  Perhaps folks were encouraged
to buy because the site is so nice (the 92 OCF site).  But with 40,000
people there, plus assorted ticketless hordes, the niceness might
be diminished slightly.  It'll be fun, but lots more people than
in '82 at OCF, I think.
 
There may have been other, more recent Dead shows that did not
sell out.... I just dunno.
 
      Phil White   Tektronix, Beaverton, OR
USENET:  philip.w.white@tek.COM
 US Mail: Mail Stop 59-432, P.O. Box 500, Beaverton OR 97077-0001
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From: Alan Sodoma <ajs@jloda.cci.com>
Subject: Re: (none)
Reply-To: ajs@jloda.cci.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:34:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.160732.9942@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> you write:
|This Donna Bashing is getting outa hand (and seems to me a thinly veiled form o
|f chavunism i.e. the Dead's stage is no place for a woman, its too intense or
|some BS like that).  I won't deny that there are tapes out there where Donna le
|
| Dudes, why is so imprtant to you to trash Donna (even if you really believe
|everything you've said)?

Yea, it's kinda like before Brent died.  He was getting bashed pretty
bad by a whole bunch of people (on the net and off).  It's too bad that
he had to die for everyone to realize how great he was and that he will
be dearly missed.

But with Donna, I don't know WHAT it would take before people changed
their minds.  Granted, I don't like all the stuff she did, but there
are a few songs where I'm always waiting to hear her chime in.  Like
Greatest Story Ever Told.

Why is it important?  It's not.  People in general always look at the
negative and ignore the positive.  I think she had her moments, just
not all the time.


Non-Dead Content:  Don't miss that Santana/Phish jam that happens in the
middle of Santana's set.  It smoked in a big way!  (At the FLPAC anyway!)


Al Sodoma
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Crap Center Mail Order Arrives
Summary: kindness of gdts
Keywords: yeeeeee-haaaaaa
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:30:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Virginia

Well, the subject line says it all. A short 3 weeks (to th' day) after I
mail order, I get an envelope from San Rafael. Gotta be a refund, i thinks,
tix cant have gone out this early.

WRONG> there it is, a ticket for fryday night crap center. the only show i
want to catch on the Fall 92 Urban Blight Tour. Thank you GDTS--its not
on the floor, but its not bad seats on phils side, and Im in......

-rob
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Phish & Phish Fans 
From: jlovkay@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:44:45 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

I finally saw Phish, and was VERY impressed ! Even having a few live tapes, I
was not expecting the quality of the show I saw (7/21, Great Woods). Now I have
to see them when they aren't warming up for a headliner, the 45 minute set was
just a tease, I wanted MORE !

Anyway, the point of this pointlessness is that the only crowd to assemble in
the lot before the show were those there to see Phish, not Santana. 

What makes me post, is that while this crowd was strikingly younger than a
Grateful Dead crowd (similar but without as many old farts like me), there was
none of the regular bullshit that accompanies the GD scene. No ticketless
bozos. No trash scattered hither nor tither. I saw no blatent drug use, and
none of the irresponsible abuse that you just can't escape when you go to see
The Dead.  

And here I've been blindly assuming that it was the younger faction of the G. 
Dead scene that caused the trouble. PERHAPS NOT ! 

And Phish fans know how to dance :-)

Jim 'Not Runaway' Lovkay
From: moffitt@ravel.udel.edu (Curtis Moffitt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: GD special effects question...
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:47:46 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

Hi all,
   Got a question for ya.  Does anyone know the name of the special effect
that they use on the big screens and on their videotapes where you see
"trails" of moving objects and color distortions and intensities?  If
anyone knows the name of this effect and especially HOW it is done I would
really like to know....  Thanks, Curt
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: bg377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rich Wainwright)
Subject: SPINNERS == Aliens
Reply-To: bg377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rich Wainwright)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 13:25:34 GMT


In a previous article, andrejkow@tbosch.dnet.ge.com () says:

>
>	Weren't they an R 'n B vocal group from the late 60's / early 70's?
>
No, they are aliens from outer space, spin one backwards and the earth will
implode.

Pretty scary stuff. 
-- 
*****************************************************************
*   Rich Wainwright               Some folks are electricians   *
*   BG377@cleveland.freenet.edu   others plumber's wives.       *
*****************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Subject: Re: Ticket Arrival Posts (was CapCtr return....)
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 18:55:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.145256.15679@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> df@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (Dave) writes:
>
>No, no hard feelings.  It seems that some people find value in
>those posts.  Personally, I don't see it, and I know from other
>email and discussions that others don't either.  Maybe it's time
>to bring back the idea of subdividing rmg to
>r.m.g.ticket.arrivals, r.m.g.bash.donna, r.m.g.net.rap, etc.

Not again! If this group gets any more circular we'll all be looking
at our own ass:-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>V<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 
>TODD|-ODD-|:-)                   |         Nothing Left To Do But  <
>brown@sunspot.sunspot.noao.edu  /|\             :-) :-) :-)        <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>V<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: jackaroe@wharf.UUCP (Bart Zantzinger)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Dead sighting on PBS
Date: 20 Jul 92 16:17:27 GMT
Organization: Fisherman's Wharf BBS  (215) 383-7245

(Apologies for the "sighting", as it isn't a true sighting, and also if 
this has been here before.)

During the coverage of the Democratic Convention on PBS, Tom Brokaw, who 
was part of the joint coverage by PBS and NBC with McNeil and Lehrer was 
talking about how some, angered by the appearance of Tipper Gore in the 
spotlight next to her husband, are calling for Frank Zappa to be 
Clinton's running mate.  Brokaw, chuckling, mentioned that "we're all 
growing up with the Grateful Dead, after all" or words to that effect.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<<<   My mind's been going places without me lately.              >>>
<<<   jackaroe%wharf@canal.org                                    >>> 
<<<                                   - or something like that    >>>
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: chris@ucselx.sdsu.edu (lemaire c)
Subject: Re: In defense of the Gores
Organization: San Diego State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:17:16 GMT

In article <14htriINNadl@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> ST702459@brownvm.brown.edu (Jordan Schwartz) writes:
>Sorry for putting people who's only interest is in a 25+ year old rock and
>roll band to sleep with all this political talk, but...
>

whose only interst is in a 25+ year rock-n-roll band? get a life, rent a clue,
do something. i speak only for myself (though i'm sure someone out there will
agree with me) but i have plenty of other interests outside the gratefuldead, 
thank you!

>That's it....

next time try avoiding sewwping generalizations...

chris lemaire.
>Jordan


Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: dsle@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.s.lerner)
Subject: GD on TV Magazine - WABC
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 01:33:44 GMT


AT 7 PM tonight, there was a 6 minute clip on the Dead on some local news
ABC-TV show called EyeWitness News Magazine. On it, they showed shots of Giants
Stadium, 6/15/92 Monday. They played Sugaree and Bucket. And interviewed
Mickey Hart for 3 minutes. Plus the usual clip of Dead at Family Dog from PBS,
1/2 minute of the Dead at Egypt, and interviews of heads in the Giants
Stadium parking lot. They also showed some Garcia clips backstage at Giants.

And my VCR was ready of course.

dave
From: tindall@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mike Tindall)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: unsoldout shows
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:48:33 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.


  Cardinal Stadium, Louiville KY 7/6/90 and Mile High Stadium,
Denver CO spring to mind in recent memory also.  I think the
reason there were so many empty seats in the LA Collosium is
because all the lemmings rushed the floor :-):-):-)
  Wharfie!  Loved your coment about falcon diet!  We have little
old ladies calling the University here on occasion asking if we
are doing research with animals because her and a few of her 
neighbors seem to be missing their house cats.  There's these
40 pound Great Horned Owls nested on top of Arts and Sciences,
see, and they eat them f*ckin' house cats like popcorn! 

     (Observing the natural order of the ecosystem)

                        eagle
From: sowa@netcom.com (Erik Sowa)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Free Speech
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:31:34 GMT
Organization: Wahoo 5


~1939, Rev. Martin Niemoeller, Lutheran minister and former U Boat captain:

"In Germany they first came for the Communists and I didn't speak up
because I wasn't a Communist.  Then they came for the Jews, and I
didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.  Then they came for the trade
unionists and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was
a Protestant.  Then they came for me--and by that time no one was left
to speak up."


1992: Various Usenet personalities:

When they took the fourth amendment, I was silent because I don't deal drugs.
When they took the sixth amendment, I kept quiet because I know I'm innocent.
When they took the second amendment, I said nothing because I don't own a gun.
Now they've come for the first amendment, and I can't say anything at all.

-- 
Erik Sowa (sowa@netcom.com)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Steve -- The Other One <sjeck@isi.com>
Subject: Allman Bros burn down California
Reply-To: sjeck@isi.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:35:44 GMT



Allman Brothers Band

Shoreline Amphitheater            Concord Pavillion
Mountain View, CA                 Concord, CA
24 July 1992                      26 July 1992

Don't Want You No More->          Don't Want You No More->
Ain't My Cross To Bear            Ain't My Cross To Bear
Statesboro Blues *                Statesboro Blues *
Blue Sky                          Blue Sky
Please Don't Keep Me Wonderin'    Please Don't Keep Me Wondering
Nobody Knows                      Nobody Knows
Black Hearted Woman               Black Hearted Woman
-Seven Turns                      -Seven Turns
-Midnight Rider                   -Midnight Rider
-Southbound                       -Southbound
-Melissa                          -Melissa
-Pony Boy                         -GDTRFB
Hoochie Coochie Man               Hoochie Coochie Man
Get On With Your Life             Get On With Your Life
In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed       In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed
Revival                           Revival

E: One Way Out                    E: Dreams
Whipping Post                     Whipping Post

* with John Popper on harp
- acoustic

Why would anybody go to 2 shows that are so similar?
Why to hear Dreams AND One Way Out of course!

Don't quit your day job!
Don't drop out and go on tour!
BUT WHATEVER YOU DO, SEE THIS BAND!!!

Blues Traveller opened.  They get better everytime I see them.
Of course, that could be because they get the best guitar 
teachers on the road today.  Warren Haymes came out and 
played one song with them which was clearly the musical
high point of their set.

Allman's are allowing taping although it is nothing as
structured as the Dead.  They do seem to sound ok though
as i sit here and flashback on the BEST LIGHT SHOW on the
road.  Computer graphics are ok, but give me a oil and 
water liquid meltdown anyday!

email me for tapes.  any other Allman Tapers out there?

Steve-TOO

"got to believe in believing. got to believe in a dream!"
From: dday@garnet.berkeley.edu (David Day)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Need Garcia/Grisman 5/8/92 setlist
Date: 25 Jul 1992 22:40:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

A friend is trying to ID some of the instrumentals 
from this show. Any help will be gratefully appreciated.

Please reply directly to dday@garnet.berkeley.edu
Thanks!
Sylvie Syben
From: js0998@future.sbc.com (Cam Spillman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: First and LAST visit to a Grateful Dead Concert.  Yuk!
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:47:09 GMT
Reply-To: js0998@future.UUCP (Cam Spillman)
Organization: Southwestern Bell Telephone - Finance Department

In article <1992Jul21.155818.11902@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> U21187@uicvm.bitnet writes:
>| FIRST AND LAST EXPERIENCE AT A "DEAD-HEAD" CONCERT
>| ==================================================
>|
>|A few years ago some friends of mine decided to take me to a dead-head concert
>|I had never been to one and knew little about the Grateful Dead.  They bought
>
>Ah, fond memories.
>
>For anyone who wasn't here at the time, this was originally posted by
>one Dale Clark back in May 1988. It set off the most amazing flame war.

Gee, are you *sure* this was Dale Clark?  I wuz about to convince myself
this was Craig Shergold tryin' to get into the Guinness book by collecting
the most DeadHead flames  ;')

Peace....