From: asim@heckle.ugcs.caltech.edu (A. M. Mughal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.rights.human
Subject: Re: Is Islam equal to Intolearnce and Fascism ?
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:23:03 GMT
Organization: Caltech Undergraduate Computer Science

In article <1992Aug24.231113.15684@newton.ccs.tuns.ca> jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali) writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.172801.20297@cco.caltech.edu> asim@heckle.ugcs.caltech.edu (A. M. Mughal) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug24.145921.5933@newton.ccs.tuns.ca> jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali) writes:
>>
>>
>>	The answer to the question in "subject" header, IMHO, is NO.
>>
>>>Some time last week I suppose Pakistan's ex-prime minister Benazir Bhutto
>>>has been accused of blasphemy by the federal minister (?) of religious
>>>affairs. She seems to have expressed her reservations about the proposed
>>>enaction of a fundamentalist Islamic system for the country. Later she
>>>expressed her concern about a threat to her life. Let me add that her father,
>>
>>	If his excellency, the Federal Minister, fails to understand Benazir
>>	Bhutto's viewpoint about the so called "Sharia Bill" which emphasized
>>	that the "Sharia Bill" in its present state  does not truly represent
>>	Islam and hence unacceptable then it is His Excellency to be blamed
>>	and not the religion.
>>
>>>who was himself a prime minister of Pakistan, had been hanged during General
>>>Zia's fundamentalist rule, following a military coup.
>>
>>	I am not sure why you brought in another winding string unless to 
>>	imply that somehow "Islam dictated ex-prime minister of Pakistan to 
>>	be hanged." In any case, Ex-PM Bhutto was hanged on the grounds of
>>	ordering an assasination of his political opponent. How much of that
>>	is true or believable is another story of politics and has NOTHING to do
>>	with the religion, methinks :)
>
>One cannot evaluate a system just on the basis of what it says... we have to
>consider what is the cumulative effect. We can see that the cumulative effect
>of Islam's presence has been more negative. Islam fails to cause what it 
>considers desirable... in fact, it causes the contrary. 
>
>As regards my mention of the recent incident in Pakistan, and also the
>execution of Bhutto, my intention was to follow up on my earlier proposition
>that in Pakistan, democracy and people lose their significance when it comes
>to Islam. If you deny the fact that one of the prime factors on which Bhutto's
>removal from power (which later led to his hanging) had been justified was
>his alleged anti-fundamentalism tendencies, I don't think we have much to
>discuss. I won't be surprised if you even deny the hangings of so many people
>whose only crime was to have respect for the man. Remember Nisar Baluch... he
>was hanged by the Zia regime just for carrying Bhutto's picture with him.
>You can also deny the 1983 killing of thousands of people in the southern
>province of Sindh because they wanted democracy... you can deny how tanks
>and helicopters were used by Pakistan's army for crushing the MRD (Movement
>for Restoration of Democracy). 


	Nadeem, yes but what is this discussion on Pakistani politics which
	say has basis in the religion doing in soc.rights.human ?

	I think you are isolating one possible factor which can be taken
 	as ignoring the theory. Let me highlight one other factor, the 
	U.S. Govt. supported Zia regime and its actions  so was U.S. Govt.
	involved in crushing the "MRD" too? Was it really for restoration of
	democracy or one political party's way of trying to the office ? 

>
>Let me ask you one question. Does Islam recognise the people's right
>to decide against an Islamic system?

	I will like to think yes. There are many many countries which have 
	chosen to decide against the Islamic system or any religion system
	as their  basis, separating 'church' and the state. 
>
>Nadeem
>
>>>
>>>Nadeem
>>>
>>
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>>
>>Asim Mughal
>>
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>Nadeem Jamali                                     jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca
>						 
>School of Computer Science			  
>Technical University of Nova Scotia		  (902)420-7882  


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Asim Mughal

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