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From: RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu
Subject: Re: <none>
Organization: University of Florida, NERDC
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 20:43:02 EST

In article <1993Jan20.205602.2970@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>
naraht@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Randolph J. Finder) writes:
 
>
>I think that anyone who laughs at the Taiwanese legislature's fist fights
>should look at what was happening in the US Congress in the 1820's
>(40 years after USA multi-party democracy started)
>
>In the 1820's one legislator challanged another to a duel and was
>accepted.
>
>Even into the 1850's 70 years after the start of USA multi-party democracy,
>one of the members tried to beat another to death with his cane in
>a particularly strong debate over the issue of slavery.
>
>Hopefully since the USA has is a head start, it can be a good example.
>
>Yours in Leadership, Friendship and Service
>
>Randy Finder
>
>
>
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>(vri_rjfin@dmis.ha.osd.mil)       |          Alpha Phi Omega
>"The service we render to others  | National (Co-ed) Service Fraternity
> is the rent we pay for our room on earth" - Sir Wilfred Grenfell
 
Dear Mr. Finder:
  I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say, but I would have felt very
much insulted by your comparison if I were a Taiwanese.  I certainly hope that
you don't mean to imply that the Taiwanese are behind the US for well over a
century, that the poor behaviors of their leaders can be condoned because
your forefathers had done it too?  Admittedly, politicians in US are smarter
than those little silly worms in Taiwan.  In US, they hire a gun and put a
bullet in the head of their political enemies.
 
   Mr. Finder, things don't simply become ok because US head start them.
By your analogy, I guess it would be ok for the whole world to practice
SLAVERY because your forefathers were slave owners.  Keep it to yourself,
Mr. Finder.
 
                                  Regards,
                                          Not a mainlander.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,alt.culture.indonesia
From: vinch@iastate.edu (Vinata)
Subject: Re: Indonesian, Chinese and Raja
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:56:11 GMT

In <1k4nsgINNq4m@pollux.usc.edu> mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes:

>In article <16B5EFC66.RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu> RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu 
>writes:
>> 
>>I    A M    A    C H I N E S E (I just said it but not so proudly because I'm
>>                                helplessly associated with people like you)


>I once knew a person who is from Indonesia and is ethnically Chinese.
>Despite the fact that he was born and raised in Indonesia, he is 
>extremely Chinese chauvinistic and anti-Taiwan-Independence.

>I once told him that since he was born and raised in Indonesia,
>I consider him Indonesian.   Supprisingly, he was very angry
>and told me that my claim is an insult to him.  I, personally,
>consider his attitue is an insult to the country he is from.

>P.S.  According to my understanding "Raja" means "King" in Indonesian.
>      Correct me if I am wrong.

**flame on**

What the hell is this????

Damn, I hate the chinese guy! I am also a chinese, but I am proudly say
that I am Indonesian, because I was born there!! Nothing wrong with saying 
I am chinese. It's like saying I am Batak, I am Sundanese, etc. But, remember you were born in Indonesia, and raised there, breath Indonesia's air. What's wrong being called an Indonesian? I am proud of it!!!
This chinese person really ruin and spoil the image of chinese-indonesian!!

What so great about being a chinese, anyway???

**flame off** 



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Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:17576 alt.culture.indonesia:1010
From: wity@iastate.edu (Senopati Pamungkas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Indonesian, Chinese and Raja
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:46:23 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <1k4nsgINNq4m@pollux.usc.edu> mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes:
>
>I once knew a person who is from Indonesia and is ethnically Chinese.
>Despite the fact that he was born and raised in Indonesia, he is 
>extremely Chinese chauvinistic and anti-Taiwan-Independence.
>
>I once told him that since he was born and raised in Indonesia,
>I consider him Indonesian.   Supprisingly, he was very angry
>and told me that my claim is an insult to him.  I, personally,
>consider his attitue is an insult to the country he is from.

I have met a few Chinese Malays.  I asked them whether they are Malay,
and they will answer "NO."
I am myself a Chinese Indo, but I consider myself an Indo.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,alt.culture.indonesia
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li)
Subject: Re: Indonesian, Chinese and Raja
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:11:38 GMT


In article <C1I062.u8@news.iastate.edu>, wity@iastate.edu (Senopati Pamungkas) writes...
>In article <1993Jan27.035140.26579@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li) writes:
>>
>>I just realised Mr. Iunn also posted his article on soc.culture.indonesia.
>                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
>Is that a typo, or do we really have soc.culture.indonesia ???
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Sorry for the typo and it should be alt.culture.indonesia.
From: chchang@cs.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Germany says no to Taiwan
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:24:55 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

According to an article in clari.news.military, the German government
has _refused_ a deal with Taiwan which potentially could involve 10
frigates and 10 submarines (at a cost of about $8 billion)...
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:17613 soc.rights.human:5021
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.rights.human
Subject: Re: You call this marketing ?  I call it a shame.
Date: 28 Jan 1993 17:55:41 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

>In article <1jid0vINNrlg@pollux.usc.edu>, mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao 
>Iunn) writes...
>--  The KMT military controls many news
>-- media, including one of the only three TV stations, many newspapers,
>And you call this marketing ?  I call it a shame.

It is a shame of this TIer.

Till the end of 1992, there were 29 channel cable TV available everywhere
in your home land. What do you mean  CONTROL ?
It is out of control, there is CCTV, Japanese TV, Karaoke, and X movies.
Aren't you, a TI provoker, wishing that happens? You have got it!


Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:17370 soc.culture.china:34945
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li)
Subject: Re: Bad Taiwanese Journalism
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:04:18 GMT


In article <1jps8hINNj7d@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, chyang@simile.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes...
> 
>So this Wayne Lo guy may be one of these criminials.
>Maybe someone can provide more information.  

Based on my memory, Wayne Lo was a high school student who immigrated to US 
several years ago from Taiwan. His family lives in Idaho and owns the 
restaurant. To his family and neighbors, Wayne was a good boy and never had
any big problem. But to his classmates, he is a racist and has been quite 
hostile towards black, Jew, homosexual, etc and denied any Jewish massacre 
during Hitler era. 

Correct me if I am wrong. 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: cwt2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Charles W Tang)
Subject: How to make Man2tou0, Yin2si1juanr3, Hua1juanr3...etc.?
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:31:01 GMT

Does anyone out there know how to make Man2tou0, Yin2si1juanr3,
and Hua1juanr3?  Could you please post your recipes?  If you use
a food processor to knead the dough, that's even better!  Please
let me know what brand of food processor you have, and how long
you let it run for.

Thanks!

-Charles

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From: cache@carson.u.washington.edu (Chung-Ho Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: RE: Chu's Letter
Date: 24 Jan 1993 23:53:48 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

IN article  changht@eecs.nwu.edu (Hsin-Ter Chang) writes:

> Mr. Lee has disappointed me in many aspects. Five years and 4 pirme
>ministers? There's got to be something wrong. Either Mr. Lee is too difficult
>to work for or he is a lousy boss that he just can't find the right guy.

I guess the untold story might be that Lee is forced to choose someone 
out of compromise. 
I think since Lee is elected by a legal process, he should have the power as
specified in the Constitution to choose the person he wants. If
we don't satisfy his performance, next time we do not have to elect him.
Now everytime  he wants to choose or organize the people who can work
with him, the World Jounal seems to indicate that Lee  is a dictator
who wants to determine everything by his own. I think World Journal
has been biased toward Lee and favored Hau. But think twice, who
is the elected President now? Chu said Lee is another emperor or a
semi-emperor. Can we say that Clinton is  also an emperor since
he  can exercise his full power in determining his staff ? 
>As unpredictable, that is good for emperor, but it is bad for President. What is
>the big deal if the news media guess right? Strong man era has passed, we don't
>need another strong man Lee.

If he plays by the law, I see no problem with a strong leader. Did Lee
do anything "unlawful" such as changing the rule so that he can be 
elected  forever ? What I am afraid of is the invisible "strong man".

>After the election, has Mr. Lee shown any sign of responsibility or shame? With
>such a huge defeat, even the sameless Japanese politician will be forced to
>regisne.Instead, Mr. Lee speed up his manipulation as if nothing has happened.
>It seemed that Mr. Sung who resigned after the election will even be promoted! 
>If he has this kind of strong will and this kind of power, then he has no excuse
>but to take the full responsibility of the failure of refinement of Constitution
>How about the book his wife published, that is disgusting.
>I think that we have to watch over what Mr. Lee is going to do now, we cannot
>tolerat what he did simply becaus he is Taiwanese. Taiwan is not going back
>and Mr. Lee certainly can't not be another Strong Man.

I am optimistic  that next President election you  can have a voice.

C-H
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.rights.human
From: hhsiung@elm.Berkeley.EDU (Han Hsuing)
Subject: Re: KMT(Kuo-Ming-Tung or Nationalist)...
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan
Reply-To: hhsiung@elm.Berkeley.EDU (Han Hsuing)
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Inc., Phoenix Product Division
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 15:33:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.005517.9787@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen) writes:
|> In article <1jknkiINNpm5@pollux.usc.edu> mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes:
|> >Yes, the ban was lifted after 40 years.   But, don't tell me it is a fair
|> >game today.  One of the major reasons which brought the Capital Daily into
|> >bankruptcy was that the KMT United News threatened those news stands that
|> >if they keep selling newspapers for the Capital Daily, the United Daily
|> >will revoke their dealerships.
|> 
|> Interesting story. Looks like an unfair competition to me. Could you
|> tell us whether this kind of boycott from the United Daily is lawful in
|> Taiwan? Has the Capital Daily issued a lawsuit against the United Daily?
|> If yes, how is the verdict? If no, why?
|> 
|> Conflicts and unfairness happen everyday. There should be a way to bring
|> up justice, which should be determined by the judicial system, not by you
|> or me.
|> 
|> -- Chien-Chung Chen

That is not the reason of bankruptcy.  In News paper bussiness, just like the TV, advertisement revenue is the major source of the income. Readers of Capital Daily are those who are interested in politics news.  They represent, unfortunately, minority. I doubt Capital Daily had any reasonable coverage on Sports, Bussiness, Life, Entertainment etc.  Capital Daily can find no sponsor to put ADs on.  Do you think Ford car dealers or Sogo Department store owners even consider to put the ADs on Capital Daily ? 


 

Those who are interested in politics also prefer to subscribe magazines such as 
New News for the indepth report.  

If it is KMT's trick , then tell me why Indepent Daily is doing well ?
From: chyang@simile.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Just a New Year Thing
Date: 22 Jan 1993 22:52:21 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: simile.engin.umich.edu
Originator: chyang@simile.engin.umich.edu


Folk All:

I just saw this on International Cable Network (ICN).  A news report from
Taiwan showed a get together among several hundred mainlander children who 
have immigrated to Taiwan.  They were able to move to Taiwan because of most
of these kids have relatives living there.  Some of these Children were
asked the quetions on what is the difference between new years in 
Taiwan and in the Mainland.  They responded that it is fun to be with
the family in Taiwan, but they wish their parents in China could join them
here so that they could show them everything here ( in Taiwan ).  

It was touching to say the least to see the innocence of the children, but
sad because of their separation with their family.  It made me think
about how much our parents had to sacrifice in order for us to lead a 
better life, just as how these children's parents have to suffer the pain
of not being able to see them grow up, just so that the children
will have a better chance to succeed.  I guess it just made the Chinese
New Year all more the special that one day the families from both side of 
the Taiwan strait could unite and truly have a Happy Chinese New Year. 

Anyway, my heart goes out to the Children and to everyone out there like
me who is stuck here at school and not able to be home with our families.
I guess it is not all that bad, because I have just become old enough so 
that I am disqualified to receive any new years money, but qualified to give 
news years money away to my nephew, nieces, young cousins.... etc.  
So I guess although I don't get to see my family, I can save more money
for tuition.  

- Happy Chinese New Years

- C. H. Yang
From: jyu@sleepy.mti.sgi.com (James Yu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Those Typical Taiwanese
Date: 21 Jan 1993 20:23:14 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sleepy.mti.sgi.com

In article <16B5CBB54.RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu>,
RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu writes:
|> In article <1ji4g5INNa4j@fido.asd.sgi.com>
|> jyu@sleepy.mti.sgi.com (James Yu) writes:
|>  
|> >
|> >In article <16B5BDE72.RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu>,
|> >RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu writes:
|> >|>
|> >|> Which hall?  I would do it if only my portrait is to be hang on
|> top
|> >|> of
|> >|> Lee Teng Wei (sorry if I speel incorrectly).
|> >            ^^^             ^^^^^
|> >
|> >Given the fact that you obviously don't know how to SPELL and
|> >in addition, seem incompetent in Chinese (i.e. the sound of
|> >Wei is not close by any stretch of the imagination), your
|> >picture is coming down permanently.  What was that you said
|> >about making assumptions?
|> >
|> >If all you want to do is to wage a war of taunts, then I'd
|> >suggest you to visit your local playground.  You might find
|> >the tactics of a 4 year old more at your level.
|> >
|> >James Yu
|>  
|> I said sorry, didn't I?  Ok, Ok, let me try again: Lee Teng Who.
|> I hope I got it right this time.
|>  
|> >
|> >Disclaimer: My employer has nothing to do with this posting.
|>  
|> Disclaimer:  Mainlanders have nothing to do with this posting.
|> Period.

Not only can you not spell, you also cannot read.  Was there anything
I said to even remotely suggest that I think you are a mainlander?
Run it by your English tutor and see what he/she has to say.

Again, if you want to play, go to your local playground.  The games
you're playing are only suitable for 4 year olds.  Have fun!

James Yu

Disclaimer: My employer has nothing to do with this posting.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li)
Subject: Re: Those Typical Taiwanese
Organization: New York University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:36:06 GMT

joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen) writes:

>I didn't say it's a shame for Mainlanders to manufacture low-quality
>products. ............................................................
>.................................................... While I don't throw
>a single punch at Mainlanders, why should I apologize to them?

>-- Chien-Chung Chen


OK, who wrote the following?

______________________________________________________________________________


Hmmm, I think "made in China" means worse quality.........................
.......................................... be prepared to be embarrassed to
death for products made in China.
 
-- Chien-Chung Chen

______________________________________________________________________________



Why did you pick soly on merchandise made in the mainland instead of
that made in Indonesia, Malaysia, India, Mexico, etc ? (or, rather,
why did you have to pick on anyone at all to justify Taiwan
producing its own class of merchandise?) Isn't this
an insult to the mainlanders (at least the hardworking mainland
laborers and business people)? Or did you think your remarks were
supposed to deter the authoritarian CCP gvnmnt? Maybe there is a
good will behind your comments that I, as a mainlander, don't see.

- Li, Qiang

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Subject: Re: 16 bit -> 32 bit (was Re: Those Typical Taiwanese)
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:43:03 GMT

In article <1jsij5INN73c@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> chyang@westquad.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
>
>In article <1jsdeeINNlgq@fido.asd.sgi.com>, jyu@sleepy.mti.sgi.com (James Yu) writes:
>> I think you'd better understand more about the computer industry before
>> making a foolish comment like that.  In theory, changing the word size
>> of 
>> a machine from 16 to 32 bits is nothing more than widening the
>> datapaths.
>> However, in practice how do you deal with the following complexities:
>> 
>
>	I think the first guy is talking about the data path.  Although
>I will be very interested in reading what the add had to say.  I am
>not sure that a Taiwanese manufacturers is the first one to have a
>32-bit word machine.  But that is strange to because the words size
>is controlled by the microprocessors registers, but Taiwan doesn't make
>microprocessors...

Even though Taiwan didn't make 32-bit microprocessors then, it was still
possible for Taiwan to design a 32-bit PC once Intel announced the
architecture of 386 and put it on the market when the CPU chips were
available.

-- Chien-Chung Chen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Subject: Re: Show Down
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:16:26 GMT

In article <1jqjnkINNd98@shelley.u.washington.edu> chchen@u.washington.edu writes:
>I heard this news from PBS Asia now. It  said that
>for the first time in 40 years,  Tchaikovsky Swan Lake was performed 
>by the dancers of the mainland central ballet. 

I watched Swan Lake early 80's in mainland, which was less than 40 years ago.
Maybe, they meant the Central Ballet visited TW first time in 40 years?
In fact, there were at least five "generations" of the White Swan in mainland.
They did very beautiful job, I hope people in TW will like the performance.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang)
Subject: Re: Why mainlanders are so mixed up?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:54:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.215142.27539@athena.mit.edu> joe@athena.mit.edu (Joseph C Wang) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.195354.9122@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang) writes:
>>Intesesting, could you educate me on the proliferation of "Chinese
>>nationalism"?  
>
>William Harding in his book _The Second Revolution: China After Mao_

Many of the quoted observation are valid and the interpretations of
the observations is reasonable for the school of poli.sci. which
Harding belongs to.

Looking from another perspective, this is nothing new if we agree that
harding's observation is valid among elite Chinese (I doubt there are
enough research on the general population's attitude in China.

The Chinese phenomenon again supports the theory that nation is shaped
by the state.  With the establishment of an fairly effective state,
the government can forge several homeland into one nation given some
favorable conditions.  Without the effective government of communist,
the Chinese nationalism invented by doctor Sun Yet-sen would not have
revived from the failure of Nanjing government.

This is what Japan and Germany had been through--the transformation
from feudalism to nationalism.  Japan and Germany possess no nationalism
until there were centralized Japanese and German states.  The states
were not products of popular revolt but through the conquest by
minority armed forces.  

Maybe the famous "gun barrol" quote from Mao should be changed to,
"nationalism is produced through gun barrols."

William H.
From: x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: 16 bit -> 32 bit (was Re: Those Typical Taiwanese)
Date: 24 Jan 1993 21:05:34 GMT
Organization: ~/lib/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu

In article <1jsdeeINNlgq@fido.asd.sgi.com> jyu@sleepy.mti.sgi.com (James Yu) writes:
>I think you'd better understand more about the computer industry before
>making a foolish comment like that.  In theory, changing the word size
>of 
>a machine from 16 to 32 bits is nothing more than widening the
>datapaths.
32 bit machines were long existing before PC even got its conception.
As I understand, the first PC was 8 bit(8086) then 16 bit (80286) then
80386(32 bit). Intel made the first 32 bit PC chip and according to
Compaq, its the FIRST company to produce a 80386 machine. Maybe Compaq
did not know that Taiwan was first.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: luyen@ecf.toronto.edu (LU YEN)
Subject: This is a test
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:56:45 GMT

 This is another test.