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From: merce@xenitec.on.ca (Jim Mercer)
Subject: Re: Making child suppo work - was: PARENTS REALIZING CHILD SUPPORT
Organization: XeniTec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:21:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.184925.1987@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
>In article <1992Nov23.173048.10215@xenitec.on.ca> merce@xenitec.on.ca (Jim Mercer) writes:
>>please remember that NCP (non-custodial parents) can be women too.
>
>No argument there.
>
>>also be aware that sometimes the NCP with-holds support because the CP
>>is with-holding access.  of course, the NCP looks bad because they are
>>not paying their support, but not much is said about CP's with-holding
>>access.
>
>In my daughter's case, this is not remotely correct - she has consistently
>provided access when requested, and I applaud her for that.

your daughter's case is one in thousands.  are there statistics that show that
NCP consistently don't pay their support?

it is unfortunate that in divorce, the child/ren get treated like assets.

the NCP must pay to meet there end of the upbringing of the child/ren.
the CP must allow access to the child/ren.

>>>Legal Aid, which will help the husband avoid supporting his ex and children
>>>for nothing, won't help the wife collect on outstanding court orders - the
>>>case I know of involves back support in excess of $15K, and absolutely
>>>_no-one_ will help her collect it.
>
>>Legal-Aid also helps the CP impoverish the NCP who probably makes too much
>>to qualify for legal-aid.
>
>In my daughter's case, the ex makes enough to support a comfortable
>lifestyle, while my daughter is having a very difficult time. Legal Aid will
>not provide assistance _in any case_ to enforce maintenance orders - period.

there are not a small number of NCP's who have a difficult time too.

i, for example, supposibly make a comfortable living.

after paying rent, loan payments and support, i barely have enough to buy
food.  clothing is going to be sheer luck.  entertainment is courtesy of
friends, which i will lose soon if i keep leeching off them.

the loan payments are for the entire matrimonial debt, which i am paying
off because i "make a comfortable living" and she was just working parttime.
she is now full-time, but i can't get the amount changed without incurring more legal fees.

i can't get legal aid, because i "make a comfortable living".

before you get upset about "all" those non-paying NCP's, please think about
what your actions are going to do to those who are paying.

my ex and i are amenible, we talk, i don't begrudge her the support,
(although i would like to address the debt thing).  if all of a sudden
i am to be lumped in with "the deadbeat dads", i am going to be very upset.

this is akin to saying that all men are potential rapists.

the fact that a man can rape (not pay support) does not mean that they
will rape (will not pay support).

-- 
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Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: EDMONTON: Support-evading ex sought
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 04:23:47 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac

I have had a conversation with a local woman who has been divorced for some
nine years. Her ex, ordered to pay $150.00 a month in combined
maintenance/child support, has paid $150 in nine years.

The woman, enrolled in  B.C.'s Family Maintenance Enforcement Program, has
appropriate court orders and attachments, but cannot enforce them, as her ex
has reportedly moved to Edmonton and remarried.

Without information about where the man lives, and who he works for, the
FMEP bureaucrats won't lift a finger to bring him to court.

Like an increasing number of her US counterparts, this woman has taken to
posting "WANTED" posters, complete with her ex-husband's photograph and
citation of appropriate court orders, throughout the local area, but has no
way of displaying these posters in Edmonton.

She has asked me if I can help her find someone sympathetic enough to post
them for her in Edmonton, or put her in touch with organizations similar to
the one my daughter recently organized here in B.C. who might be able to
help her track down her ex so she can pass the information to the FMEP folks
for action.

If you are willing to help, and live in the Edmonton area, I'd like to hear
from you. The woman in question will provide posters, and specific contacts
within the FMEP to verify the accuracy of the assertions contained in the
posters. She will provide similar services for anyone in Canada, male or
female, whose ex now lives in the Central Vancouver Island Area.

If anyone can scan the poster for her, so I can release it in GIF format,
please let me know, so I can have a copy sent to you.

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From: robinson@mdivax1.uucp (Jim Robinson)
Subject: Re: alt.FTA/NAFTA panel 21 November
Reply-To: robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jim Robinson)
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:12:03 GMT

Dale Wharton (dale@dale.CAM.ORG) wrote:
>
>                            Annual meeting of the Council of Canadians
>                     20-22 November 1992, National Arts Centre, Ottawa
>.
>     P A N E L   Open to the public--Saturday, November 21, 9:05-11:15
>                            ------------------------------------------
>                             Yes!  Alternatives to the FTA and NAFTA!
>                            ------------------------------------------
>                 Panelists  BILL LOEWEN           Industrial policy
>                            WAYNE EASTER          Agriculture
>                            LINDA McQUAIG         Corporate agenda
>                            MICHELLE SWENARCHUK   Environmental law
>                            R H THOMPSON          Culture and the arts
>                            JUDY D'ARCY           Labour
>.
> The Council of Canadians (Join, eh?)  *  (613) 233-2773, fax 233-6776
>                   1006-251 Laurier Avenue West  *  Ottawa ON  K1P 5J6

Since many of us do not live in Ottawa is there any chance that someone who
is planning on attending (Dale perhaps) could provide a summary?


-- 
Jim Robinson
robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com
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Newsgroups: can.general,bc.general
Subject: Re: Making child suppo work - was: PARENTS REALIZING CHILD SUPPORT
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 00:51:04 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac

In article <1elm2qINNe88@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland) writes:

> The two long responses to my earlier posting only reinforce my
> desire to see the _courts_ pay the amounts ordered as support;
> I imagine the bureaucrats would stir off their asses soon enough,
> faced with outflow and the need to get corresponding income.
> It's not as though the courts had no experience in collecting
> money - there are such things as fines, after all.

The problem, of course, is that the courts are at the mercy of the
provincial bureaucrats, who are clearly dedicated to doing as little as
possible in such matters. If my ex-son-in-law could be brought into court
with a show cause hearing, he'd have reached the end of the line, or would
at least be forced to leave Canada to avoid jail (which is exactly where I
would like to see him put).

It's ironic - my grandchildren are visiting this scrooge for the weekend,
and he isn't around today - he's "at work" you see... Perhaps an irate ex or
two, picketing the employer who pays him under the table (so he can avoid
paying taxes or child support, and, if possible, collect UIC at the same
time - that's one of his old standbys) might help him recall his
responsibilities.. anyone know single parents in the Gibsons/Sechelt area
who are having similar problems running their ex's to ground? It shouldn't
take more than an hour to find out where he's working this time around...

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Newsgroups: can.general
From: finneyrc@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (R Craig Finney)
Subject: Re: Small post office closure: lobby?
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:38:16 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

Oh, one thing if sending with the return address the same as the
forward address, address them to some government office like the
Canada Post in Ottawa.  It sould make it.
-- 
Agent 36
(Everyone is sane in their own reality)
Newsgroups: can.general
From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)
Subject: Re: Almost botched drug bust?
Organization: Ontario
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:56:51 GMT

In article <576391979DN5.61R@tanda.isis.org> marc@tanda.isis.org writes:
>
>        At least this bunch survived to be tried in court.

Yea, they "survived".  And I'm sure we're all better off because of that...
Newsgroups: can.general
From: donald@sq.sq.com (Donald Teed)
Subject: Re: Almost botched drug bust? (Whoops on Charlottetown!)
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 01:25:50 GMT

donald@sq.sq.com (Donald Teed) writes:

>Not only were they F-18's, but they were sent from Goose Bay Labrador,
>some 800 air miles north and east of Montreal.   They could have done
>better with a Search and Rescue plane from Charlottetown, P.E.I.

Whoops! I forgot that this Air Force base is closed - and it was
Summerside!  Well there were many other options for long range
following aircraft - the Aurora for example.  But I don't know where they fly
from anymore.

--Donald Teed
Newsgroups: can.general
From: donald@sq.sq.com (Donald Teed)
Subject: Re: Almost botched drug bust?
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 22:11:13 GMT

wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:

>Something the CBC isin't elaborating on is how that drug plane (the
>one that landed in Casey PQ) how they tracked it there after the
>fighter planes had to return after they ran out of gas.

>In typical stupid gov't ineptitude, they send out fighter planes
>to "do something" with a slow long range cargo plane.  I mean,
>if they're not going to shoot it down, send up a prop-driven long
>range plane to follow the damn plane until it lands or crashes.

Not only were they F-18's, but they were sent from Goose Bay Labrador,
some 800 air miles north and east of Montreal.   They could have done
better with a Search and Rescue plane from Charlottetown, P.E.I.
The Toronto Star labelled the effort a "high tech chase" but then
included the information that the F-18's had to land in N.B.
Then six helicopters were sent to look at all of the known airfields
in Quebec in the appropriate areas.  I think the U.S. system was
largely the means by which this airplane was singled out and followed
to Canada.  Officials here must have been embarassed into launching
whatever military style equipment we had to "keep up with the Jones".
I wondered whether they thought the next step would be to fire a
cannon shot in front of the airplane.  I wonder if they had, could
the falling shot have injured someone in Plaster Rock, N.B.?

--Donald Teed

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From: buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland)
Newsgroups: can.general,bc.general
Subject: Re: Making child suppo work - was: PARENTS REALIZING CHILD SUPPORT
Date: 21 Nov 1992 15:54:02 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services, UBC, Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: swiss.ucs.ubc.ca

 The two long responses to my earlier posting only reinforce my
 desire to see the _courts_ pay the amounts ordered as support;
 I imagine the bureaucrats would stir off their asses soon enough,
 faced with outflow and the need to get corresponding income.
 It's not as though the courts had no experience in collecting
 money - there are such things as fines, after all.
From: marc@tanda.isis.org (Marc Thibault)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: FREE worldwide network access in Canada??
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 10:09:54 EST
Reply-To: marc@tanda.isis.org
Distribution: na
Organization: Thibault & Friends

In article <1992Nov13.184317.2150@r-node.gts.org> 
(Marc Fournier - Admin) writes: 
        ...

> Well...from my understand of a couple of posts back...all that is
> being offered really is email and Usenet news...and, of course,
> limited Telnet'ing to other FreeNet sites..and no ftp'ing...for free.
> 
> Hmmmm...sort of sounds like what I have here.  I offer email and

        What you don't have is informational databases maintained by
        most of the public services in the area, conferences hosted by
        your local, provincial, and federal politicians, and "Ask
        John" groups where "John" is a local expert on a topic of
        interest.

        This is what FreeNet is really about. The Internet/Usenet part
        is only sugar.

        Cheers,

                Marc

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Newsgroups: can.general
From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen)
Subject: Re: Almost botched drug bust?
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 01:03:34 GMT

In article <@> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
>Something the CBC isin't [sic] elaborating on is how that drug plane (the
>one that landed in Casey PQ) how they tracked it there after the
>fighter planes had to return after they ran out of gas.
>In typical stupid gov't ineptitude, they send out fighter planes
>to "do something" with a slow long range cargo plane.  I mean,
>if they're not going to shoot it down, send up a prop-driven long
>range plane to follow the damn plane until it lands or crashes.
>I heard early reports that the 4 guys on the cargo plane were 
>caught because of suspicious residents in the area.  If this is the
>case, I don't think the authorities will elaborate...   :)

What did you expect?  That the F-18s would blast it out of the sky,
like that misrouted commercial airplane which was destroyed ten years ago?
(I see that Boris Yeltsin handed over the "black-box" from that airplane
earlier this week.)  Just following it, and ordering it to land, using both
radio and hand-signals, is the truly-Canadian way of doing things!
From: dale@dale.CAM.ORG (Dale Wharton)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: FTA:  Abrogate?  Debate 21 November
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:51:11 GMT
Organization: private


                            Annual meeting of the Council of Canadians
                     20-22 November 1992, National Arts Centre, Ottawa
 ---------------------------------------------------------------------

       HEATED DEBATE open to public--Saturday, November 21, 11:30-1:00
.
                    The Free Trade Agreement--abrogate or renegotiate?
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   Invited debaters:
.
   DAVE BARRETT     New Democratic Party trade critic (accepted)
.
   ROY McLAREN      Liberal Party trade critic (tentative/substitute?)
.
   MICHAEL WILSON   International Trade Minister (needs encouragement)

 ---------------------------------------------------------------------
 The Council of Canadians (Join, eh?)  *  (613) 233-2773, fax 233-6776
                   1006-251 Laurier Avenue West  *  Ottawa ON  K1P 5J6
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Newsgroups: can.general,bc.general
Subject: Re: Making child support work
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 03:42:18 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac

In article <1992Nov24.000120.10160@sol.UVic.CA> klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen) writes:

>In article <1992Nov22.023229.8738@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:

>>In article <1992Nov21.213307.9525@sol.UVic.CA> I wrote:

>>>Until that day arrives, another agency (the "Family Maintenance Enforcement
>>>Program" -- in Victoria, telephone 356-8692) handles this area.
>>>They can garnish wages, UIC payments, and even MSP payments to non-opted-out
>>>Medical Doctors.  The local Family Court will have the 3-page application
>>>form, or FMEP will send one to you.

>>Surely you jest, Sir. These folks are the sorriest excuse for trough-feeding
>>'civil servants' I've ever had the distasteful experience of examining.  

>While I won't dispute your allegations that they move at the speed of C.S.'s,
>please note that they are a "privatized" operation under the Ministry of
>the Attorney-General.  So, get your MLA to complain to the A-G.

My daughter did exactly that... the result was that the Show Cause summons
was issued within HOURS after the MLA's office got involved. That they were
ignoring, if not violating, the laws that govern them, was quite apparent.
That it took a simple telephone call from the MLA, and MINUTES instead of
MONTHS, seems indicative of how well these "privatized" bums are meeting
their contract. They flat refused to do anything until they were reminded of
the law... in short, as my grand-daddy used to say, they were as worthless
as tits on a boar hog, and I applaud my daughter's continuing efforts to get
them off their ass and working as they should be... from what the folks she
has talked to are telling her, her story is typical; her experiences, and
the solutions to their inaction, will educate a good many unfortunates in
the same sorry boat, and that's a plus for the public, who, privatized or
not, is paying the shot for these responsibility-avoiding drones. 

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Newsgroups: can.general
From: plante@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Mike Plante)
Subject: Re: FREE worldwide network access in Canada??
Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:28:08 GMT



The Victoria Freenet is online! Services include Usenet access, Gopher
and Hytelnet server access, conferencing, and e-mail. More services
being prepared as we read.

Telephone access -- (604) 595-2300
Telnet -- freenet.victoria.bc.ca

Mike Plante  plante@freenet.victoria.bc.ca

For more information, send email to vifa@freenet.victoria.bc.ca
From: marc@tanda.isis.org (Marc Thibault)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: FREE worldwide network access in Canada??
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 13:38:37 EST
Reply-To: marc@tanda.isis.org
Distribution: na
Organization: Thibault & Friends


        Not to make Eric S. feel any more foolish than he already
        does; I should also make the point that FreeNets are at this
        time _local_ initiatives only. Not only are the feds
        uninvolved, they are essentially unaware. Maybe someday ....

        There may have been some misunderstanding caused by the name
        of our FreeNet "The National Capital FreeNet". Please note
        that this should be read as "The (National Capital) FreeNet",
        referring to the National Capital Region which it is intended
        to serve.

        Cheers,

                Marc

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From: scott@sklib.usask.ca
Subject: RE: Freenets in Canada and elsewhere
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 12:10:46 GMT

Dan Fass writes:

>There's one freenet in New Zealand:
>
>* Citynet, Wellington: operational, telnet access not available.

Although it's not yet accessible via telnet, you can get more
information on Citynet via the Gopher. Here's the path:

telnet consultant.micro.umn.edu   login: gopher
9.  Other Gopher and Information Servers/
6.  Pacific/
16. Wellington, New Zealand City Council/
12. Wellington City Council/
4.  CityNet/

CityNet

1.  CityNet (Public Access) Index <?>
2.  Introduction.
3.  Contact.
4.  Guide to using CityNet.
5.  Guide to using FTP.
6.  Guide to using Network Services.
7.  Guide to using Social News groups.
8.  Guide to using Telnet.
9.  Guide to using USENET news.
10. Guide to using VMS Internet Relay Chat.
11. Help Desk.
12. Joining CityNet.
13. Mainstream Usenet News grops.
14. Network Guide.
15. Non-Mainstream Usenet News groups.
16. Terms & Conditions.
Newsgroups: can.general
From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)
Subject: Almost botched drug bust?
Organization: (this space for rent)
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:09:14 GMT

Something the CBC isin't elaborating on is how that drug plane (the
one that landed in Casey PQ) how they tracked it there after the
fighter planes had to return after they ran out of gas.

In typical stupid gov't ineptitude, they send out fighter planes
to "do something" with a slow long range cargo plane.  I mean,
if they're not going to shoot it down, send up a prop-driven long
range plane to follow the damn plane until it lands or crashes.

I heard early reports that the 4 guys on the cargo plane were 
caught because of suspicious residents in the area.  If this is the
case, I don't think the authorities will elaborate...   :)
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