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From: rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Taylor)
Subject: Re: tandem lures/droppers
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:47:42 GMT

plh@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron) writes:

>In article <1992Apr3.155322.507@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Taylor) writes:
>|> 
>|> 	This is an excellent situation for using a Delong kilr worm.  It has
>|> 	very little action (stiff) which is what the fish want and those tiny
>|> 	extra sharp hooks will bite the bass for you.

>Is the Delong one of those 4inch worms with a dacron loop (to tie onto) 
>on one end, and two small exposed hooks?  I've got something like that, 
>but it does not float, so when I fish it on a carolina rig it just 
>sits on the bottom snagging stuff.  Does this Delong thing float?  if 
>so who sells them?

No.  Delong I use is 6 inch with three tiny hooks and nothing in front.
You tie to the first hook.  If does not float, wiggle, or anything else.
It just catches lots of fish.
>			-Pat.

> 
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Subject: Re: What Gives with the Gunnison?
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:33:24 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Apr13.203615.1964@col.hp.com> fleck@col.hp.com () writes:
>Sounds like a the old "we decided to let alot of water out fo the Dam"
>scenario.  This has happened in a few spots on the South Platte lately.
>

But, as I mentioned in my original message, the water was not especially
high.  About 600cfs.

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: Tim Dudley
Subject: Re: Endangered River Listing
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:16:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.170222.17832@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> dixon@spot.Colorado.EDU
(Life is real?) writes:

>
>The complete list of endangered rivers also includes the Alsek and
>Tatshenshini River systems in Alaska and British Columbia; Quebec's Great
>Whale River; the Penobscot River in Maine; the Beaverkill and Willowemoc
>rivers in New York state; and the Blackfoot river in Montana.
>

Quebec's Great Whale may sound familiar, since this is the massive river
that Hydro Quebec is trying to dam up to generate power - the project
is on the  same scale as the James Bay Hydro Electric Power Play.  New
York State, who was to be one of the major customers, has just backed out
of the deal, and the Crees who are fighting to keep their homeland from
being flooded seem to think that this will kill the project, but Hydro
Quebec is currently planning on going ahead.

And the Blackfoot - this is The River in "A River Runs Through It",
which is reason enough in itself to save it.

This is really depressing.


>Just thought you might be interested.
>
>Doug


Yeah, but...   :-(

Tim

Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: jschultz@athena.mit.edu (Joseph M Schultz)
Subject: Re: Fly Line to 2lb test (beginner)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 04:34:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.182505.8727@bnr.ca> Tim Dudley writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.202710.4761@cbnews.cb.att.com> mak@cbnews.cb.att.com
>(mark.a.kelly) writes:
>>I need help, am I missing something?
>>
>>I just bought a fly rod, and have never used one before.
>>
>>I am trying to tie my 2lb leader to my fly line.  I have been trying
>>to use a blood knot.  Is this what I should be attempting

...

Another option to add to several good ones already posted.  Orvis
sells braided "loops" that slip over the end of your fly line and are
held on with a combination of shrink wrap tubing and "finger cuff" type
friction provided by the braid.  You tie a perfection loop in the ebutt
end of your leader and thread the loops together sort of link a chain
link.  Works good.


From: glenn@hplred.HP.COM (Ed Glenn)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:59:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Fish Finders
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Newsgroups: alt.fishing

    I have a new Botton Line Specie Select 5000. It's excellent for most fresh water fishing. At $370.00, not for the casual user, but then I've always been
    obsessive. They were new in 1991. I used it all last season with great results. Biggest problem is it shows lots of fish, but I can't always get even
    one to prove out what I think I'm seeing. I suspect the auto select gain
    may be too high sometimes, and show more than is there. Left to its 
    factory setting, it self adjusts for different depths, both in sensitivity
    and bottom tracking. Thats a great feature.
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: RGDURH01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (FLORIDIOT)
Subject: Re: Expensive tackle
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:48:05 GMT
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John Cloyd writes:

/Damned yuppie baitcasters don't actually *fish*
/with these reels - they use them as hood ornaments
/on their Land Rovers. I tell ya, next they'll be
/using brie for catfish bait...

Anybody know where I can get a satellite navigation system for my We-No-Nah?

Rick "I wish I was in Islamorada" Durham
From: raman@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;LL84)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: LAMPREY EELS
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:33:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.rq92lINN44s
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu


 
I have been told that I can find Lamprey eels in the Russian River near
Guerneville.  I was wondering if anybody knows if this true, and exactly
where I might find them.  Also, does anybody know how I would feed them in
order to keep them alive for a few weeks?
Now, assuming someone knows where I can find Lampreys, do you know how
to catch them?
I appreciate your help,
Ivan
my address is raman@violet.berkeley.edu
From: wesm@riogrande.Eng.Sun.COM (Wes Mitchell )
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: canoe camping in Adirondacks
Date: 13 Apr 92 05:42:18 GMT
Organization: /home/wesm/.organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: riogrande
In-reply-to: Tim Dudley's message of 24 Mar 92 14:05:08 GMT

There are many good spots around Paul Smith's and to the west and (especially)
southwest. There is a string of ponds that are walk-in or canoe-in only
directly south of St. Regis mountain. Pick up the central Adirondack
topo map from Eastern Mountain sports in Lake Placid. 

Also of interest are books (available at EMS) describing canoe routes in
various sections of the Adirondacks. There are several by a guy from Canton,
NY (just down the road from Potsdam, where I used to teach) that are
excellent; sorry I can't remember his name at the moment.

There are some (not enough) special regulation ponds; if I remember
correctly, Weller Pond is a trophy pond in the same general area.

Best times for both fishing and the flies are:
Right about now, after ice-out; but of course it will be cold
Early September: after the first hard frost, the leaves will be gorgeous,
the water (relatively) warm. The weather is unpredictable at best; you may
encounter anything from warm sunny days to cold rain or snow.

The canoeing in the area is really first-rate. Many, many ponds to choose
from; also, the Racquette and Saranac rivers have runnable sections. You
could spend years there. Go after Labor Day or before Memorial Day to avoid
crowds. Lots of nice hiking also, St. Regis mt. for day hikes, High Peaks 
for day hikes and extended trips.

Be careful of private land and waters. Many vast tracts are owned my lumber
companies and leased to hunting clubs. Stay out during deer season.

One other very nice area is (mostly) south of Cranberry Lake. It has the
largest remaining stand of old-growth hardwood in the Adirondacks; a lot of it
has never been logged.

I live in the Bay Area now, and really miss the lack of congestion and 
easily available outdoor opportunities.

Have fun,

Wes
Newsgroups: alt.fishing

 A few weeks ago, I had to release a sturgeon in San Fransisco bay, estimated length
 and weight about 8 feet long and 175 lbs, easily the largest I've ever caught.
 We were nearly 2 hours bringing it to the side of the  boat to ease the hook out.
 I'm NEVER going fishing again without a camera. The memory of it will last a 
 lifetime, however.

Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson)
Subject: Re: keeping worms alive
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:39:14 GMT

In article <trudel.702564474@aucs> trudel@aucs.acadiau.ca (Andre Trudel) writes:
>
>I'd like to keep a few dozen worms alive in my beer fridge
>(what else do you keep in a fridge besides worms and beer?).
>The goal is to keep them alive for an extended period of time
>so that I always have worms handy to go fishing.
>

If you have a compost try some of the dirt from there. My compost
is jammed full of worms. One shovelfull would supply a days worms for
me easy.

It has grass clippings, all vegatable and fruit leftovers and
coffee grinds, + leaves etc.

Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: dixon@spot.Colorado.EDU (Life is real?)
Subject: Droplines,  was Re: HMG Unacceptable ?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:02:35 GMT

Droplines?  What's a dropline?  You talkin' 'bout those guys with the
short stiff rod that carries 2 pulleys and uses metal line?  We call
those guys "meat stickers" around here (Washington State).  On our boat,
we use regular good quality salmon rods on downriggers...never could see
the fun in playing a fish on a stick with 2 pulleys...

BD
From: sasayb@caneel.unx.sas.com (Andy Barnhart)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: re: environmentalists
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:39:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasayb@caneel.unx.sas.com
X-Bytes: 1723

I have received a few flames and admonitions for posting my previous opinion
that recreational fishermen have little impact on fisheries, but none backed
by any evidence to the contrary (only other opinions). I did receive some mail
asking how I could have formed such an opinion (in my original post, I said
various sources, some admittedly questionable), so here are the facts/fokelore
(if anyone has some numbers that make a different case, please post them)
which I used to form that opinion:

The saltwater statement:
The commercial fishing catch is more than 4 times the recreational catch.
Assuming half the fish in the ocean were caught (and I don't think they are)
then only 10% of the fish are caught by recreationals.

The freshwater statement:
About a fourth of the fishing population practices selective harvest or catch
and release. They are about twice as likely to fish as others, so about half
the fishermen days account for few fish kept. Of the fishermen who do keep
fish, about a third of the time they fish, they will not catch fish anyway.
There is a minority out there which will keep as many as possible and fish
as often as possible. The limits help minimize their effect, so I am not
suggesting that limits be removed.

Andy

PS - To those that suggest you buy fish instead of keeping them: Where do you
     think these fish come from? With the notable exception of catfish, these
     fish are caught by commercials, using nets which invariably kill some
     fish besides those being targeted, using large boats which pollute the
     water and must be moored somewhere (often in protected areas - wetlands
     convert to prime dock areas). I think keeping a couple has far less 
     impact.
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From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing,rec.backcountry,rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Re: Catch and Release
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:40:19 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Apr13.211340.2470@col.hp.com> fleck@col.hp.com writes:

>Are we ever going to have a president that gives a Damn?

What we really need is a president who vetoes a dam.

I've got to hand it to George Bush, who coerced the EPA to veto
the Two Forks dam on the South Platte.  Though this act was out
of character for Mr. Bush, it is not unappreciated.

But I fear we haven't heard the last on Two Forks, and that the EPA
could be just as easily swayed in the opposite direction by future
politics.  That's the environmentalist's dilemma: gains are temporary
but losses, by nature, are permanent.

Think of the literally millions of trout (caught and) released on
the South Platte.  Then think the entire fishery, not just the fish,
obliterated by a single short sighted act.  Think of the river, the
canyon, the willows, the hatches, the slippery boulders, the riffles
and pools, lost.  Gone.  No more.

Imagine instead a choppy resevoir.  Imagine a barren, circumsriptive,
bath-tub ring scar of dirt and gravel.  Imagine bobbers and worms, and
ten inch silver trout-duplicates, cloned from the same hatchery gene.
Imagine winnebegos, boat docks and Pepsi machines.

How many times will we make the same mistake?

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
From: RGDURH01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (FLORIDIOT)
Subject: Re: L.L. Bean
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 12:01:26 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

Lance Miller writes:

>I need info on getting an L.L. Bean catalog, phone#, address, etc...  I'm 
>looking for a wheel-based canoe carrier and was informed thru the net that 
>L.L. Bean might carry one. Thanks in advance.         	

Don't overlook Campmor.  I believe they carry the same item at a bit less
money.  I've bought quite a few items from them, never disapponted.

	Campmor
	P.O.Box 998
	Paramus, NJ  07653-0998
	(201) 445-5000
        catalog is free

Rick "Can I collect unemployment in Florida?" Durham
From: pisarevsky@b56vxg.kodak.com (Arkady Pisarevsky)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: spawning bass fishing
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:48:00 GMT
Organization: Big Yellow Box
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr3.195030.28186@bnr.ca>, Tim Dudley writes...
>I've often wondered about this - what's the general opinion out there 
>about fishing for bass during spawning season?  I have to admit to having

    I would like to be able to do it legally. I don't have any problems
with fishing both pre-spawn and spawning bass.

>done it one season, had great fishing, released everything, but felt a 
>little uncomfortable.  Does this wreck the fisheries?  Prevent the released 

    According to the recent research it does not wreck fisheries, especially
in the south where bass have longer growing season.

>bass from spawning?  Can I do it this year with a clear conscience (assuming
>the season's open...)?

    I don't believe it keeps them from spawning, if the fish are handled and 
released correctly (minimum hadling, wet hands, possibly released boatside 
without taking it out of the water, etc.)

     I would like to see bass fishing regulations changed to catch and 
release only, year around, with special permit for tournament fisherfolk 
that would allow keeping the fish in properly aerated live-well to be 
weighed-in and released at the end of the day.

> 
>Tim 
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Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: kenk@sdc.com (Ken Konecki)
Subject: Re: Freshwater Fighting Fish
Organization: Systems Development Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:36:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.160756.21917@cbnews.cb.att.com> mak@cbnews.cb.att.com (mark.a.kelly) writes:
>2) No. Pike/Muskie - as tough to get on the hook as to keep on the hook.

Muskie are tough, but I've never had a problem catching or landing Northern, 
especially up in Wisconsin.  Last year, my brother in law had a whale of a
time trying to land a dogfish of all things.  Said it was the best fighter
he's landed in 5 years.

Cheers,
    -Ken K
-- 
Ken Konecki
e-mail:kenk@sdc.com    -or-    ...!uunet!uupsi2!sdc!kenk
"The amount of education you have determines your loot in life"
From: dougs@bugman.EBay.Sun.COM (Doug Sawyer )
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Good Fishing Spots
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:01:29 GMT
Reply-To: dougs@bugman.EBay.Sun.COM
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bugman.ebay.sun.com

>I am new to this alias.
>I just moved to ca and I live in Los Altos.
>I am looking for a good place to go for a weekend
>to camp and do some good fishing.
>We do not have a boat, though I have a canoe(a wide wooden one)
>Any suggestions for places to go where we would actually catch fish ?


May I suggest the following.  They are all easy to get to and less then 4 hours from
San Jose, Ca.

	1.  Lake MacSwain/ McClure ( Merced Water District )
	 Trout, Bass, Catfish, Panfish
	2.  Lake Camanche ( EBAY Mudd )
	Trout, Bass, Panfish

Theres also a book on fishing and camping in California sold at Orchard Supply Hardware.

I recommend it

There are also a few local places to go for trout, sturgen, and strippers.

	1.  Parkway ( South San Jose off of US101 )
	10.00 $  No state Licsense requiered

	2.  Lake Delvale ( Just West of Livermore  I-680 )
	3.00 $ Fishing fee State Licsense requiered
	+ Park fee,  they also have some nice camping spots
From: terryt@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Terry tURner)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Willamette River (Oregon) Spring Chinook Trip Report
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:38:31 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.



	Well the operative work for the day last Saturday was wet.  It's
	been dry and warm for a month and the first real spring chinook trip
	I plan it rains like a cow pissing on a flat rock.  This is still ok
	though, we need the rain and I just put my rubber suit on and sit
	in the rain.  No problem.

	We trolled combinations of prawns, spinners and plugs for about 8 hours
	Saturday with no fish, no strikes.  Saw 1 fish caught and looked to
	be about 15 lbs.  The beer was fine and the company was fun.  As the
	old addage goes, better luck next time.

	Terry

--
Terry Turner		   If people paid more attention to the really
terryt@tekig5.pen.tek.com  important things in life, there would be a serious
503-627-5630               shortage of fishing poles.
From: pisarevsky@b56vxg.kodak.com (Arkady Pisarevsky)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Expensive tackle......
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:13:00 GMT
Organization: Big Yellow Box
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Talking about expensive tackle, how about those gold-plated baitcasting reels
that Bass Pro has in their catalog at more than $400 a piece. Does anybody else
besides myself find them ridiculous ?

Hey, now we bass-fisherfolk can compete with fly-fishing afficionados !!!

Big, BIG smilee here :-)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: tlawton@infocenter.encore.com (Tom Lawton)
Subject: 2 piece rod(s)
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:29:40 GMT

Yesterday I fussed over buying a 2 piece spinning rod - a 7'er - versus
a one piece.  I went ahead and bought the 2 piece.  Does anyone out there
have opinion(s) about one pice rods versus 2+ piece rods??  

I don't mean things like ease of storing and/or transporting - but more
strength and such?  I bought this one for use in salt water.  Wife asked
the usual - "do you 'really' need another fishing pole??"  "Ayup - sure
do honey!!" :-)

-- 
                    -- T.R. "Tommy" Lawton --

Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: chip@fid.morgan.com (Chris Casino)
Subject: Re: Saying Hello
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Co., New York, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:46:59 GMT


I am a new user to rn and a long time fisherman. i trying to see if i can get this article to post back to me here.

if any one has advise for a good fisherman but semi-good rn user drop me a line.	


thanks
From: trudel@aucs.acadiau.ca (Andre Trudel)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: EARLY SPRING FISHING
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:24:59 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

KSNAVELY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:

>Does anyone know of a good bait for suckers? Worms are
Are suckers good for eating? I heard they were full of bones.
I always toss them back in the water. A lot of people I've seen
toss them away on land.
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Taylor)
Subject: Re: Pond Management, etc
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:15:12 GMT

vic@helicon.math.purdue.edu (Victor W. Lovejoy) writes:

>Hi, fisherfolk, this is Vic. My fiance comes from the southern part of Indiana,
>where her folks have a small (about 1 acre) pond. We have been fishing there for
>a couple of years and while we have had good days (we've caught 70+) fishing,   all the fish are very small. The fish that inhabit the pond are bluegill (all seem to be around 4-5 inches) smallmouth (also 4-6") crappie (we've only seen a   few, around 6 inches) and catfish (yellowbellies around 8-10 inches).
>	It seems that the pond is overpopulated, but I'm really not sure. It
>is fed by an underground spring, is about 14' deep at the deepest point, and
>is well drained. The bottom is very marshy and leafy, and the silt is about
>8 or 9 inches deep (this I discovered on my second time ever in a rowboat,
>when I stood up at the bank to get out of the boat and suddenly the boat was
>five feet away and I was knee-deep in water and muck....but that's another
>story :*o) 

It sounds like you have a classic stunted pond.  Two many small fish, esp.
bluegill.  The fastest way to restore the pond is to net or catch about a
dozen of each kind of fish that you want to put back in and put them in
another puddle somewhere..  Then kill off the remaining fish with rhetenone
(?) or some other chemical.  When safe, put the saved fish back in, add
a few dozen fathead or pond minnows and 
wait a few years.  A slower way is to catch a number of larger preditor
fish (3-6 #) such as bass, northerns, hybrid stripers, etc. and put them in the 
lake.  Keep adding larger fish until the pond is in better balance.  It may take
five years or more, but the big guys eventually win out.  Making sure that
there are enough large fish is the secret to preventing a ponds population
from getting too large and stunted.
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: brucej@scales.mentorg.com (Bruce Johnson)
Subject: Re: Oregon/Washington fishing trouble??
Originator: brucej@scales
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 16:45:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mentor Graphics 
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 



In article <1992Apr8.161018.12189@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> dixon@spot.Colorado.EDU (Life is real?) writes:
>Yeah, I have to agree...population growth is the root of all the
>problems. 

Actually, the number of fisherman and hunters have decreased over the years.
In particular, the Oregon Dept. of Fish and Wildlife publishes a quarterly
newsletter in which, a short time ago, they showed that the number of
licenses and tags sold has dropped substantially from that of the early 60s.
They note that there are fewer fathers passing on the hunting and fishing
tradition to their children.  They expect this trend to continue too.  That's
one of the reasons for raising license & tag fees.

I don't believe are problems are due to an increased harvest or more pressure,
in fact I think there's plenty of data to support this.

I believe the loss of habitat is the problem.  Does anyone know how long it
took for the effects of the construction of the Bonneville dam to be completely
felt?  Think about it.

Bruce
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Taylor)
Subject: Re: GIF pictures of bass 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:20:35 GMT

kcw@kodak.com writes:


>A color GIF pictures of smallmouth bass and a large mouth bass (eyeing a
>stick bait) was posted to alt.binaries.pictures.misc.

>Makes a nice screen background for a fisherman.

	For some reason my direct response bounced.
	For some DUMB reason, the Univ. of IL does not let
	us connect to alt.binaries.  Now what????