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From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: A friend went down
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:10:07 GMT

jeffb@csd.harris.com (Jeff Bernhard) writes:
>As someone noted, Dale died of his injuries. What was not mentioned
>I don't know what really happened. My wife and I will miss him, very
>much. He was a special person, and his family and all who knew him
>will struggle to deal with their grief.

Is there some place we can send flowers or do something for his family?
-Terry
From: Chuck.Cypert@f24.n130.z1.fidonet.org (Chuck Cypert)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Helmet Law Wars
Date: 18 Dec 92 01:10:10 GMT

Enough already.  I do not care if the law says "Wear a helmet or get fined" because it does not affect me.  I wear one, and I do it because I crash and land on my head a lot.  Protest, go without one.  Being on a bike you can probably cut between some buildings and get away from the police, even if they care enough to chase you.  But enough of this endless tirade about rights and the constitution.  This is America, and most people do what they want without considering others or the law anyway, and couldn't






 tell the Preamble from the Bill of Rights.  So, let's talk leg shaving <g>

 * Origin: The Dew Line - Grapevine, TX (1:130/24)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: curt@mcm.hp.com (Curt Simkins)
Subject: Re: Do Kevlar tires work?
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit -  McMinville OR
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:35:53 GMT

In article <BzGn6E.Cp0@cs.uiuc.edu>, tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
|> ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House) writes:
|> >In article <BzCrvF.KLn@cs.uiuc.edu> tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
|> >>I have been using the same set of Continental Grand Prix's, 700X25 on my
|> >>RB-1 since July and have not had a single flat.  The Illinois country roads I 
|> >>ride on are pretty clean but I think alot their longevity has to do with
|> >>the width of the tire.  They ride really well too, pretty close to a sewup
|> >>in road feel.
|> >Am I the only one who finds this information entirely useless without some
|> >estimate of the number of miles ridden on those tires in that time?
|> 
|> Don't be a prick Eric.  All you have to do is ask in a reasonable manner.
|> Are you incapapble of doing that?
|> -Terry

   I think you just bettered Eric ol' boy.  By the way, how many
   miles did you get on your Conti's?

   Curt
From: shorio@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Shigenori Horio)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Do kever work?
Date: 18 Dec 92 06:52:56 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly State Univ,CSC Dept,San Luis Obispo,CA 93407

I bought Specialized Transition/K4 27*1-1/4 tires about a month and half ago.
I ride about 30 miles everyday. And I have gotten about 5 to 7 times flats and
replaced tubes twice already.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Split support
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:00:12 GMT

jfletche@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Justin Fletcher - CS) writes:
>I'm starting to lose patience.  I've been a (relatively quiet) reader of
Oh my.  
>this newsgroup for a number of years, and I applaud the decsion to split
>the newsgroup.  In its original form as rec.bicycles, it would often
>receive hundreds of articles, requiring significant time to sort through.
>Miss reading news for a few days, and it was possible to have over 500
>articles in the group (time for the old "catch up" key . . .).  In its new
>form, I can select the topics of personal interest.  I'd be willing to bet
>that with just a little more support, the split would be fine (limit the
>cross-postings & bitching - use the group AS THE READERS VOTED FOR).
Ummm has it occureed to you that there are alot of cross-postings and "bitching"
because the current format makes no sense?  There's been too many complaints
to suggest otherwise.

>There are many of you whose ideas & comment I read with interest - in many
>cases even agree with.  In this case, I strongly disagree with your opinion
>-- and with the method with which it is made known (well, at least those of
>you complaining).
So? What are you saying?  That we shouldn't complain becasue you don't like
it?  Get real.         
>Were the groups to be recombined, I would regretfully unsubscribe.  I like
>this format - and would no longer have the patience to wade through all the
>articles in one group.
Bye.
-Terry
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Russian Pro's Cycling Gear
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:01:09 GMT


All these Russian Cycle Gear Urban Legends reminds me of one recounted to me
by Bob Thom who was the British Team Coach for one of the Peace Races.

It was just after Queen's "Bicycle Race" video which featured a bike race
between a large number of young naked buxom women around Crystal Palace track in
London.  Bob had affixed a poster of the start in the British team van.  Some
Russian riders saw this and asked where the race was.  Bob replied "oh, that,
it's an yearly event in London, in fact I'm the race masseur".  Lots of mumuring
in Russian, then they asked how one went about defecting to the west.

David, [Grenoble, France.]
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: Glenn Stauffer <stauffer@cc.swarthmore.edu>
Subject: Re: Quads, glutes and calves.
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7502907D3014364@mac1.termigator.swarthmore.edu>
X-Xxdate: Sat, 12 Dec 92 04:40:55 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College Computing Center
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d13
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:41:31 GMT

In article <PATRICK.92Dec10215948@casbs.Stanford.EDU> Patrick Goebel,
patrick@casbs.Stanford.EDU writes:
>What muscle groups are exercised while cycling under various
>conditions?  For example, while climbing I spend about 90% of the time
>in the saddle and try to maintain a fairly high cadence.  Does this
>utilize/work the calves more than the quads?  Vice versa?
>

There is an interesting book out titled, "Science of Cycling", edited by
Edmund R. Burke
(ISBN 0-87322-181-8) that, among other topics, discusses the biomechanics
of cycling.

This is from Chapter 4:

Some of the major lower-extremity muscles used during cycling:

- gluteus maximus (GM)
- biceps femoris (BF)
- vastus lateralis (VL)
- gastrocnemius (GA)
- tibilalis anterior (TA)
- semimembranosus (SM)
- vastus medialis (VM)
- rectus femoris (RF)

There are several chapters that discuss cadence and saddle height and how
they affect
efficiency.

Glenn
From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: I thought this newsgroup was ending Nov. 23?!?!?
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:06:54 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <1992Dec4.135717.6133@oakhill.sps.mot.com>,
mack@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Gregg Mack ( Sun )) wrote:
> 
> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
> 
> >In article <20@blue.cis.pitt.edu> jwgst2+@pitt.edu (James W Gourgoutis) writes:
> >>
> >>	Hi all!  I was just wondering...I thought that this newsgroup was 
> >>going to be phased out by Nov. 23.  It really serves no purpose, now that the
> >>other rec.bicycles.* subdivisions are in place--although I do realize that
> >>some people don't yet have access to the new newsgroups.  It's just kind of a
> >>bummer, since NOW I have to wade through this newsgroup, as well as the others.
> 
> >I second this question.
> 
>    KILL IT!  PULL THE PLUG!

Better yet, kill the other groups and restore this one.  It was a lot more
fun and a lot more useful.  The splitting of rec.bikes was one of those
ideas that sounded good at the time to many people, but it's a failure.

--

David Casseres
Exclaimer: Wow!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: apuzzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Tony Apuzzo)
Subject: Re: Using a Shimano Xt freewheel with a Suntour XC Pro Derailleur
Keywords: Shimano and Suntour, Shifting, Gears
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 06:49:26 GMT

In article <ellis.724543496@gurney> ellis@gurney.cs.umn.edu (Shawn Ellis) writes:
>
>	I've got a worn out Suntour freewheel.  I would like to
>replace it with a better freewheel.  I've heard stories of running a 
>Shimano Xt freewheel with a Suntour Derailleur.  Does anybody have any
>experience with doing this?  Does it work ok?  Does the chain skip or
>miss cogs? Thanks!
>
>--
>	Shawn Ellis
>	ellis@cs.umn.edu
>	University of Minnesota

Along those same lines, how about a Sachs or Mavic or ??? with a
MicroDrive Deraileur?  I am sick and tired of breaking MicroDrive
cogs.  I'm looking for a reasonably tough, smooth 32 spoke hub
(Comparable to XC-Pro or XT) that will take a seven speed 12-26 or
12-28 freewheel or cassette with SunTour spacing.

Any leads?


Thanks,
	Tony
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Russian Pro's Cycling Gear
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:29:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.180556.12837@waikato.ac.nz>, jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz writes:
|> Just something I was wondering about...
|> 
|> You know how Russian technology is often hassled for being substandard

|> On one leg a Russian rider punctured and upon trying to fit a 'standard'
|> wheel on as a replacement found it didn't fit his Russian bike (apparently
|> this wasn't just a problem of hub width or such like).  And the latest issue
|> of Cycling Magazine NZ says that some Russian riders were still using cleats
|> and straps and that their tubulars were cheap jobs made from the same rubber
|> used for Lada tyres.

Sounds like the Kiwis just have a hang up about the Russians.  Some riders still
use cleats and straps as they suffer from knee problems with clipless pedals.

In the Milk race a few years back the Russian team were using Campy gear with
some Italian built frame (Colnago ?).  The East Germans were renowned (at least
before the days of the Lotus bike) for their aerodynamic track bike research.

Now I'll admit that things like hub spacings have changed a lot recently with
8 speed freewheels etc. so I guess the poor Ruskie Pro just had a two year old
Dura Ace hub or something.  I tell you, I sympathise with him.  I went to the
local 'pro' bike shop recently looking for parts for my ten year old road bike.

The mechanic whistled backwards through his teeths and said "it's your
clearances, mate - they must have still been riding penny farthings when this
frame was built, hi hi hi.  I'll have to order the bits special like, cost an
arm and a leg, cheaper to upgrade to a new Shimano Totally Disintergrated gruppo
if you want my advice".

David.

p.s. I _don't_ drive a LADA (or a Zastava for that matter !)
From: kaminl@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Matt Garretson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: WHOOAA! My first bike + packed snow experience
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:36:20 GMT
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY

It was so much fun, it must be illegal in most states!   :)

There was packed snow, smooth & bumpy ice, with ski and tire tracks
crisscrossing all over the place. That translated into my wheels slipping
and sliding all over the place all by themselves as they got stuck in various
tracks. What fun! 

The going was slow. In some places, there was deep, frozen snow that practically
stopped me in my tracks. Thank god this was all on a deserted bike path.
I would not want to try this anywhere *near* motor vehicles (or pedestrians,
for that matter!).

I arrived at work 20 minutes late with a big smile on my face and snow
in my spokes. 
-- 
Matt Garretson                    :-)                 temporarily kaminl@rpi.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,sci.med.nutrition
From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk)
Subject: Bananas vs. PowerBars
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 13:18:27 GMT

I just got an info package and newsletter from Powerfood Inc., the guys
that make PowerBars the `athletic energy food'.  In the package was a
sheet comparing PowerBars to a few other foods, including doughnuts,
bran muffins, bananas, apples, potato chips, Snickers bars, and
Carnation Breakfast bars.

The really interesting one was bananas.  PowerBars are pretty handy and
seem to give you desired energy -- their chart says that 76% of their
calories are from carbohydrates.  But bananas are 93%, and they cost
a lot less than PowerBars, though PowerBars are a bit more convenient
at times.  Hmm ...

So what about dried bananas?  Do they retain the high carbohydrate
content?  Why not eat dried bananas as a replacement for PowerBars.


		Total		% Calories	% Calories	% Calories
		Calories	from Fat	from Carbo.	from Protein
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
PowerBar	225		8%		76%		16%
Banana (med.)	100		2%		93%		 5%


			    % of U.S. RDA			Cholesterol
		Vit C	Vit B1	Vit B2	Vit B3	Iron	Calcium	 (mg)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
PowerBar	100%	100%	100%	100%	30%	30%	  0
Banana		 20%	  5%	  5%	  5%	 5%	 2%	  0


The ingredient list on the PowerBar package looks like this:

	Fructose syrup (from grapes, pears and/or corn), oat bran,
	maltodextrin (complex carbohydrate), milk protein (lactose
	removed), brown rice, sesame butter, barley malt, peanut
	butter, natural flavorings.


So how do bananas (perhaps with a vitamin supplement) compare to PowerBars
in terms of nutrition, with sports performance in mind.


Thanks

-- 
Richard Foulk		richard@pegasus.com
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Russian Pro's Cycling Gear
Date: 18 Dec 92 12:10:35 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Dec17.200711.6233@massey.ac.nz>, F.Brown@massey.ac.nz (F.J. Brown) writes:

Frith Brown has provided a great summary of NZ bikes here,  but two other
brands are Worldrider,  based in Wanganui (I think) that is a small but growing
operation producing some nice road and mountainbikes at competitive prices.

Also there is the Hamilton frame builder Roscitelli who has produced some very
nice bikes and experimental frames (e.g. double seat tubes),  he's cut down
production considerably though.  His bikes are fairly common around the 
Hamilton racing set.

NB - Now I've jolted Frith's memory she'll probably find a few inaccuracies
in the above.

Jonathan,
Uni of Waikato
From: mellon@a.chem.upenn.edu (Matthew T. Mellon)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Bike Shop owners
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:49:14 GMT
Distribution: rec.bicycles.misc
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hello,

	I work in a shop in Philadelphia, and was wondering
just how many actual mechanics/shop owners read this net.
If you have a moment, please drop me a note with your shop's
name, adress, and maybe even a little description of it and 
your local area.  I just think it would be neat to see, and
I might develop it into a database.

	Also, a friend and I are brainstorming a few ideas to
improve bicycles, bike shops, and a few other inventions.  If
there happens to be an item that you wish existed, please tell
me about it.  We are working in areas of computers (pc's and 
mac), and electronics, as well as mechanical.

			Thank you,

				Matt

mellon@a.chem.upenn.edu


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: olson@acf9.nyu.edu (David Olson)
Subject: Re: Bruce Gordon's #
Organization: New York University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 04:06:26 GMT


I asked:
>Does someone happen to have Bruce Gordon's number?

And it has come to be told: 707 762 5601

D
From: foltz@as.arizona.edu (Craig B. Foltz)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Identification(was: A friend went down)
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:03:10 GMT
Reply-To: foltz@as.arizona.edu
Organization: MMT Observatory, Univ.of Arizona

If anyone has the address of a firm that sells mail-order dog tags, please
post it.  I generally carry my business card, but not information on 
blood type, insurance, etc.  I'm sure that the recent discussion has 
alerted a lot of us to the importance of detailed identification.  

Thanks in advance.

---
Craig Foltz                               cfoltz@as.arizona.edu
Multiple Mirror Telescope Observatory     Tel   (602) 621-1269
Univ. of Arizona, Tucson, AZ 85721        Fax   (602) 670-5740
     "Help me!  I've fallen and I can't reach my mouse!"
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: A friend went down
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:46:47 GMT

I'm sorry to hear that.  I hope he pulls through OK.
-Terry
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: riedl@xerxes.cs.umn.edu (John Riedl)
Subject: bicycle trainers
Organization: /home/xerxes/faculty/riedl/.organization
Distribution: rec
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:54:01 GMT

Hi everyone!

My wife and I are thinking of purchasing a bicycle trainer for keeping
in shape during the Minnesota winter.  We'd like recommendations on
the relative advantages of magnetic and fan trainers, on which brands
are good, on how easy it is to use the same trainer for two bikes, and
on anything else you think we should know.

Thanks for the help!
Maureen and John Riedl			riedl@cs.umn.edu

P.S. I checked the FAQ's posted to this group and didn't see
information on trainers.  If I receive sufficient response, and there
is interest, I'm willing to write a summary suitable for the FAQ.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: shari@modcomp.uucp (Shari Bernhard)
Subject: A friend went down
Organization: MODCOMP, an AEG company
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:37:47 GMT

I found out last night that a friend of mine was in a serious accident
involving a car on his way cycling to work yesterday morning.  He wasn't
carrying any ID, and his identity wasn't known until about 5 pm.  In
fact, today's newspaper headline read "Unidentified cyclist hit by car".
The driver (not the car) ran into the back of him with such a force
that he slammed into the windshield.  Luckily, the driver stopped and
called police immediately.  He was helicoptered to Hollywood, FL,
Memorial Hospital.  He is in seriously critical condition.  His name
is Dale Hall, and he is an active member of my bicycle club.  He's a
strong rider, and he was wearing a helmet and following the rules of
the road.  I have no information as to what caused the driver to hit
him.  At least he was wearing a helmet and the driver stopped to help,
otherwise Dale wouldn't have had a snowball's chance in hell.

Having ID wouldn't have stopped this, but it took a long time to find
out who he was.  Luckily he was wearing a jersey from a local bike shop
and through a description they figured out it was Dale.  If you go out
riding, especially alone, bring *some* ID.  It doesn't weigh much.

This is very hurtful for me and my husband.  We ride with Dale and his
son (13 years old) just about every weekend.  In fact we rode with him
this past Saturday and Sunday.  I'm scared and I'm praying for him and
his family.  The next 48 hours are touch and go.  Thanks for listening.

Shari Bernhard
uunet!modcomp!shari

From: Howard.Gerber@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Howard Gerber)
Sender: Jpunix@urchin.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Chocolate vs. Bananas ??
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:21:28 -0500

neil j.cherry writes:

 NJ> I have only one problem with bannanas, if your asthmatic you
shouldn't eat
 NJ> them. Seems that they can cause problems with asthmatics. I know
that only
 NJ> when the air quality is bad that I can't eat them. Otherwise they
don't
 NJ> bother my asthma. Hey any other asthmatics out there who ride
regularly?

 It sounds like an allergy to bananas. Whether you're asthmatic or not,
it is
 not uncommon to have an allergy to certain common foods. Asthma is just
a
 complex of serious of allergies. Allergies vary from one individual to
another.
 Common ones include wheat, corn, milk and eggs, but anything can
trigger an
 allergic reaction, which in turn may be all it takes to start an
asthmetic
 attack. Lots of cyclists have noticed that they are allergic to
almonds, and
 that if they eat anything containing almonds, they have difficulty
breathing.
 Others get gas from Powerbars because of an allergic reaction to corn
syrup.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: "Michael Smith" <p00004@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: I thought this newsgroup was ending Nov. 23?!?!?
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:06:40 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)

>DATE:   11 Dec 92 19:06:54 GMT
>FROM:   David Casseres <casseres@apple.com>
[material deleted]

>Better yet, kill the other groups and restore this one.  It was a lot more
>fun and a lot more useful.  The splitting of rec.bikes was one of those
>ideas that sounded good at the time to many people, but it's a failure.
>
>--
>
>David Casseres
>Exclaimer: Wow!

Second the motion.

--Michael Smith

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk)
Subject: Drafting etiquette?
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 03:40:04 GMT

I usually ride alone, mostly for the exercise.  Occasionally I'll
have someone come up and start drafting me for a while, and recently
I've tried a little drafting myself.  My question is, what are the
conventions and etiquette for this activity (if any)?


-- 
Richard Foulk		richard@pegasus.com
From: Howard.Gerber@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Howard Gerber)
Sender: Jpunix@urchin.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: How do I make by stationary trainer not so loud?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:34:50 -0500

In a message to All, Kevin Graboski 806 1032 (1:106/88.0) writes:

 KG> Does anyone know any tricks to reduce the overall
 KG> noise output? I am especially (sp?) concerned with the amount of
 KG> noise/vibration passed through to the apartment below mine.

 The best suggestions that I have are to put a layer of foam rubber or
 a packing quilt underneath the trainer. This should dampen a lot of
the
 noise that is transmitted through the ceiling.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: mhulsey@hestia.fcs.uga.edu (Martin Hulsey)
Subject: Re: NEW wonderpill! (was: Re: Bananas vs. PowerBars)
Followup-To: sci.med.nutrition
Organization: Dept. Foods & Nutrition, Univ. of GA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:24:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.155209.13238@polaris.utu.fi>, eepee@polaris.utu.fi
(Esa-Pekka P{lvim{ki) wrote:
> 
> 
> MIX-VIT (tm)
> 
> Everything you need for a better diet!

Are you serious?  Sounds more like a waste of money to me.

> 
> SCIENTIFIC FACTS:
> 
> It is a well accepted fact among scientists and doctors that SODIUM and
> CHLORIDE play an important role in cardiovascular disease, especially
> high blood pressure. Both sodium and chloride are ESSENTIAL in maintaining
> electrochemical homeostasis in the human body.

There is absolutely no evidence that one need take supplements of either. 
In fact, most people eat too much salt already.
 
> GLUCOSE is the MOST IMPORTANT source of energy of the living cell. Without
> glucose, life is practically impossible. The central nervous system is
> dependent on glucose as its only source of energy.

So what?  Carbohydrate containing-foods supply all that we need.
 
> The new MIX-VIT (tm) is made up of a sodium chloride heart surrounded by
> a layer of glucose. All ingredients are 100% NATURAL with NO PRESERVATIVES
> added. Five tablets daily of MIX-VIT (tm) will help you improve your diet!
>
> MIX-VIT (tm) - THE NATURAL WAY
> 

If you folks are really convinced that you need supplements of salt &
sugar, they are probably already sitting in your kitchen.  Save your money!

--
mhulsey@hestia.fcs.uga.edu                      Society for Neuroscience
Martin G. Hulsey                              National Rifle Association
Dept. Foods & Nutrition      Society for the Study of Ingestive Behavior
University of Ga.    North American Association for the Study of Obesity
From: Howard.Gerber@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Howard Gerber)
Sender: Jpunix@urchin.fidonet.org