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From: dhawk@netcom.com (David Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Sandman: More Pointless Ramblings
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:52:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.055315.1858@athena.cs.uga.edu> jordan@castor (USENET's Chuck) writes:
>- It hadn't occured to me before, but the most obvious time for Delight
>  to have become Delirium would've been at the time of the Fall of Adam
>  and Eve from the Garden of Eden.  Genesis is THE big story for most of

In the Daniel/Eve/Cain/Abel issue it was established that the Genesis
story is from worlds before Earth - when none of the characters looked
human.  Cain makes that point several times.

Whereas Destruction conforts Delight/Delirium on this Earth at its
dawn.

later, david
--
David Hawkins    dhawk@netcom.com
It is better to encounter one's existence in disgust than never
to encounter it at all.  - William Barrett
From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: lsh back issues
Date: 7 Nov 92 22:58:29 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

aw3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anatole Wilson) writes:

}> 
}>     I have been thinking of picking up some back issues of Legion of
}>Super-Heroes, after all the recent traffic on how good it used to be. Is
}>there any particular place I should start (ie. good storylines) in order
}>to get a feel for the series?

}My personal favorites (and honesly, I don;t think too many people will
}agree with me):

}The issues of "Superboy and the LSH" drawn by Mike Grell, back around
}issues 202-243. Also, I enjoyed the stories and Steve Lightle's work in
}the second Legion Series.  Many people will recommend the "Great
}Darkness Saga," but I wasn't all that impressed with it. 

Well *I* agree with you.  The Grell issues are my second-favorite, first
being the original run in Adventure.  Ah, for the days of Lightning Lad's
robot arm, Sir Prize and Miss Terious, the Sun Eater, the Luck Lords, 
Bouncing Boy, Karate Kid, the Legion Espionage Squad . . . comic books
that were comic books instead of trying to be novels with pictures.
Sorry, I'm an old man; just ignore me and go back to discussing the
evacuation of Earth.

--James Preston

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: angus@well.sf.ca.us (Angus P. MacDonald)
Subject: Re: Comics Mailing Lists ...
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:20:27 GMT

In <4NOV199212104807@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG) writes:

>Hi there,

>Can someone please E-mail me the names of the available comics-related 
>mailing lists?  A few people have mentioned "Comics-L" (?), are there any 
>others?  I'm not at all familiar with mailing lists, ftp, etc, so some 
>directions in subscribing would be much appreciated.  A summary of the 
>typical topics of discussion would also be helpful.

>Thanks in advance,
> - Wayne.
> =========================================================================
>    W     A     Y     N     E     .     A     .     W     O     N     G
> =========================================================================
>                                                SEWON@LIMS01.LERC.NASA.GOV

Same here. Thanks.

Angus MacDonald           angus@well.sf.ca.us
Box 561, Concord, California, USA, 94522-0561
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: castle@cs.dal.ca (JULIAN GUTHRIE CASTLE)
Subject: Re: New releases: 11/04 - 11/06
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:50:23 GMT


This is just a few questions and comments on the
list Jim posted.


In article <1992Nov5.061314.26710@sol.UVic.CA>,
jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
|> This is the stuff released by one major distributor between November 4 and 6.

|> 	Distant Soil 2

Does this mean Colleen Doran has gotten back on schedule ?

|> 	Minstrel Fair 1

Can anyone tell me what Minstrel Fair is about ?

|> Blue Sky Blue
|> 	Nestrobber 1

I thought Dark Horse was publishing Nestrobber, what happened ?

|> Caliber
|> 	Mr Trianglehead: Special Edition 1

How good is Mr. Trianglehead?

|> Dark Horse
|> 	New Frontier 1
|> 	Ring of Roses 1

Can anyone tell me what New Frontier and Ring of Roses are about ?

|> 	Herbie 2
*groan* *cough* why? why?

|> DC Comics
|> 	Superman: The Man of Steel 18 (3rd print)

Maybe this will teach those speculators a lesson

|> 	Star Trek: Debt of Honor TPB

It's out? Finally.

|> Fantagraphics
|> 	Arcane Eye of Hogarth Signed/Numbered GN

Anybody know what the Arcane Eye of Hagarth is. It sounds interesting.

|> Marvel
|> 	A-1 1

If you think the second volume sucks then 
fear no more because Dave Elliot(sp?) will be doing
a new series (tentatively called Atomeka Comics)
with Tundra/Atomeka that will be like the original A-1

|> 	Dinosaurs: A Celebration (1-4)

Hm, nice idea.  Wasn't Marvel producing a series of
comics spotlighting important battles in the civil
war ?

|> 	Mutatis 2

Mutatis? *heh heh heh*

|> 	Savage Return of Dracula 2

Umm...nice...title. *ha*

|> NEC
|> 	Chroma-Tick 4

&*#@$ coloring book

|> Raw
|> 	X

Sounds interesting.

|> Rip-Off Press
|> 	Rockers 3

Does anybody know what Rockers is all about ?

Thank you,
	Julian Castle
////////
   o-O / o o I feel off balance
    <  /
    -  /
   //
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.destroy.the.earth
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: LSH: Evacuating the Earth
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 04:36:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.213548.5528@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>By way of analogy, suppose levels of personal mobility and interstellar
>trade were similar to our own levels of personal mobility and
>international trade.  Suppose South America disintegrated today, and
>investigators determined that North America would follow in one month.
>How many could we evacuate, with help from the rest of the world?
>Just at a guess, if panic were avoided, I'd say as much as a quarter
>of the population.  By analogy, having the UP able to evacuate about
>half the Earth's pre-disaster population is reasonable story-telling.

Here's another analogy.  Suddenly, a cosmic being turns a building to gold.
You pull a solid gold notebook out of the trash.  You soon amass some debts,
and realize that you need to sell the solid gold notebook to pay the debts off.
Now, what are the odds that the value of the solid gold notebook is going to
be so close to the amount of your debt that after you are done your
financial situation will be somewhere near what it started as?

>I thought the use of Death to be an excellent one:  She's as recognizable
>an icon as the traditional scythe-bearer, not as much of a cliche, and
>far more DC-specific.

Gaiman's death doesn't really fit in a context where there are lots of alien
races and cultures; I have to ignore them in order to read Sandman sensibly.
I'm of the opinion that for Gaiman to put his mythology in the DC Universe
severely harms both unless you ignore each one in the other.  (Just one
question: why do we never see Death whenever any world _other_ than the Earth
gets destroyed?  The answer "well, Earth is more important to the _readers_" is
not acceptable....)
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Subject: Re: RETURN OF SUPERMAN PLANNED, EVEN BEFORE HIS DEMISE
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 15:26:23 GMT

L-Bueno@cup.portal.com (Louis Alberto Bueno) writes:

>RETURN OF SUPERMAN PLANNED, EVEN BEFORE HIS DEMISE
>--------------------------------------------------

"Well, *duh*."	- Marge Simpson

				James Willer
[any opinions above must be registered with the federal govenment]
From: pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler)
Subject: DC: Destruction and Delirium
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:18:28 GMT

In article <143560027@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, rauchfuss@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Brian Rauchfuss) writes:
> In rec.arts.comics.misc, cole@lea.csc.ncsu.edu (Robert Cole) writes:
> 
> > A stray thought hit me this morning during rush hour traffic.  It
> > concerns a similar idea that Destruction is the harbinger of change.
> > What if Destruction is in someway responsible for the change of Delight
> > into Delirium.  That could have been the "final straw" that caused him
> > to abandon his post.
> 
> My stray thought was that it was *because* Destruction deserted his post that
> Delight became Delirium.  That the loss of one of the endless warps the
> universe, destroying the balance that use to exist.  

How many times does it have to be pointed out that Delirium was already
Delirium at the time of Orpheus' wedding, but that Destruction did not
abandon his post until the 1600's?

Don't tell me about Endless not having to stick to a timeline.

Yes, I'm feeling grumpy today.

	-dp-

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: jlmiller@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: DC:the five faces of John Constantine
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 03:35:48 GMT

Well, it's nice to know I'm loved. 3 days since I posted pt 1 of my "The Five
John Constantines," and not one peep of commentary out of anyone. Before I even
consider sitting down to write part 2, I'd like to know that _someone_ is
reading it! Please, comments, suggestions? I can furnish people w/ a copy of
part 1 (along with some commentary from a local source) if they'd like; I keep
records. Or am I just shouting into the wind?

BTW-
Corrections to part one:
1. It was Swamp Thing #70 that contained my favorite JC story..."The Secret
Life of Plants." Shows John networking and how he gets all the info he does.
Worth it simply for the best 1 page summary of the Crisis ever printed.
2. It's been brought to my attention that Jamie Delano did...sort of lend
credence to Gaiman's ancestor thing in issue 40 of Hellblazer. However, I've
not gone back to check this out yet. Also, Nancy Collins uses it in JC's 2
issue Swamp Thing appearance last year. Or was that 2 years ago? Whenever. Not
a great story, IMHO, although I disagree with the net as a whole Re: Collin's
ability as a writer.

Oh, a warning: I'm not exactly kind to Ennis in part 2...but what the hell, I
didn't like "True Faith" either.

jonathan.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 13 Nov 1992 17:05:21 CST
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Fast Forward
Distribution: rec

In article <Bxo52H.FGt@cs.uiuc.edu>, wesselak@sunb0.cs.uiuc.edu (Erik Wesselak)
says:

>If it were but for these two facts, you'd have to hold me back, kicking, from
>buying it, but...
>
>        Con:  It's got Grant Morrison
>
>Whom I have taken an unspoken oath never to read his work again.

Hmmm.

Pardon me for requesting this explanation in the first place,but Doug (the one
at u16244@uicvm.uic.edu ,of course) has been lending me his back ishes of
DOOM PATROL,and I like 'em a great deal. What's your beef with Morrison,pray
tell?
      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
      ** Maniac-at-Large      * no way endorsed by the Univer- **
      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So there. Nyaah.               **
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN:  Convergences:  Themes?
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:58:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.235944.1@fnalo.fnal.gov>, morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (St. Elmo's Fire) writes:
> 	OK, gang, I'm hoping to start in on CONVERGENCES in the next couple of
> weeks.  Anybody got any bright ideas what the set is ABOUT?  I don't see a
> common theme, or really even any connecting threads.
> 	Note that the title is plural; that may mean something.  Also,
> "convergence" means a coming together.  What's coming together in these
> stories?

My wager: each issue is primarily a meeting of several individuals who
take turns telling each other their stories.  Sometimes, the stories are
about storytelling (the Parliament of Rooks) or are retellings of "canonical"
stories (Koschei & Baba Yaga, Marco Polo, the wives of Adam, Cain & Abel).

So, there a two senses to "convergences":

1) the storytellers converge

2) the stories themselves converge, either through eyewitnesses arguing over
them (Cain & Abel), through the comparison of the canonical version with
an eyewitness version (Eve's tale of the wives of Adam), or through stories
becoming the subject of stories (Rooks, again).

Then again, it's only by standing in a Soft Place (my head) that I'm
able to tie all these obstinate pieces into one bundle.

If there's any intended relationship between Russian folktales, Marco Polo,
and DC Biblical mythology, I haven't noticed.

	-dp-
From: wombat@nfinit.enet.dec.com (Christopher M. Conway)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Dream and the Prodigal do history..
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:33:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: decabo.1992Nov10.173327.29736
Reply-To: wombat@nfinit.enet.dec.com
Organization: Prickly Wombat Enterprises


In article <1992Nov9.234631.17418@news.nd.edu>, mkelly@chaucer.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes:
- From: mkelly@chaucer.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
- Subject: Re: Dream and the Prodigal do history..
- Reply-To: mkelly@chaucer.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
- Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
- Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 16:46:31 MST
- 
- 
-  el24+@andrew.cmu.edu (Edward Liu) writes:
- 
- |> lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
- |> writes:
- |> 
- |> [	spoiler removed since this ain't really a spoiler	]
- |> 
- |> >(BTW, there's one theory that states that ROYGBIV came from Newton trying
- |> > to match colors to available paint pigments. Thus we're stuck with indigo.)
- |> 
- |>    If my chem teacher was right, ROYGBIV came from an attempt to match the
- |> colors of the spectrum to the Western 8-note musical scale, since this would
- |> show some incredible balance between sight and sound, and demonstrate the
- |> perfectness of the creations of the universe or something like that.  Of
- |> course, the fact that some Asian cultures use a 5-note scale and other cultures
- |> use other "octave" scales didn't really figure into this much.
- 
- Erm, ROYGBIV has 7 letters. So Newton was obviously matching to the Endless.
- Destruction went prodigal, and Indigo light went with him. ;) Actually, I
- heard that 7 colors were chosen because of the 7 saintly virtues. (or some
- such religious poop)
- 
Yes, but the implied return to R makes the octave, just as in music-- there
are seven tones, leading to the implied eighth, e.g. ABCDEFG (7) back to A
(8).

Incidentally, in times past the return to the tonic was occaisonally also
called H, leading to the use of his name in one of his works by J. S. Bach
(B-A-C-H).

Whether this is a true explanation of the number of colors or not I couldn't
say; but it sure is plausible.

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: strength levels ( was Re: LSH: Evacuating the Earth
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:10:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.051559.8644@leland.Stanford.EDU> terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:
}In article <1dhpu6INNon4@pollux.usc.edu>, akhale@pollux.usc.edu (Abhijit Khale) writes:
}|> 1) Superman fought a bunch of Daxamites in Invasion. Battle inconclusive
}|> as the Daxamites were weakened by the presence of lead. 
}|> 2) Superman has fought Lar on a number of occasions  : battle inconclusive
}|> or interrupted, but they seemed roughly equal in power. 
}|> 3) Superman vs. Dev-em : Dev seemed to be winning, but the fight didnt last
}|> too long. 
}|> 4) Superman vs. Lar in Eclipso saga. Conclusive victory for Superman. However,
}|> Lar is solar powered and he had been out of the sun for weeks when under
}|> Eclipso's thrall, so he could have been much weakened. 
}|> 5) Who's who says that Daxamites are slightly more powerful than Superman.
}|> 6) Lar has taken on other characters like Starman, Lobo, Lady Q and has not
}|> seemed much more powerful than them. 
}|> 
}|> All of this would seem to indicate that Daxamites are slightly more powerful
}|> than Kryptonians, but not much more. However, most appearances of or comments
}|> about Lar or Laurel in the 30th century would put them at close to pre-Crisis
}|> levels (which would make them millions of times more powerful than Superman).
}|> Doubtless, we could come up with some cute psuedo-scientific explanation 
}|> as to why 30th century Daxamites are far more powerful than 20th century
}|> Daxamites, but I'm not even going to try.
}
}You have contradicted yourself.  You note that Superman fought Dev-em and
}they were roughly at equal power levels.  Recall that Superman fought
}Dev-em in the 30th century!  Other than the two powers I mentioned:
}living without air and interstellar flight, the Daxamites haven't been
}shown to be much more powerful in LSH than Superman.  We haven't seen
}Lar Gand or Laurel Gand drag around any stars in post-crisis LSH.

How about "Ultra Boy"?  In the past, he wrestled with a superboy
and with Monel, and was compatable.  Superboy has been unwritten,
Lar has been rewritten, but how about Jo?


Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: terry@edsi.plexus.COM (Terry Dawson)
Subject: Re: Sandman #44 Lavender's Blue
Organization: Appleton Public Library - Appleton, WI
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 23:44:40 GMT


>solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>>  smith@bohr.physics.upenn.edu (doug smith)\ writes:
>> >
>> >Why was the the doctor with the Orangutang singing a David Bowie song?
>> 
>> A Bowie reference would be far from a "meaningless detail"! But,
>> alas, it's not. The anatomist was singing 
>> 
>>         When I am king, dilly dilly,
>>         You shall be Queen.
>>         Lavender's blue, dilly dilly...
>> 
>> Any similarity is purely coincidental... Knowing how Neil does
>> his homework, I'd assume the doctor is singing an authentic
>> late-seventeenth-century song.
>> 

Ah, the modern generation thinks they invented everything.  I remember
singing this song as a kid -- my grandma taught me.  In any event, _The
Great Song Thesuarus_ lists it as a traditional English folksong.

-- 
     Terry Dawson       | "Only connect!" | voice: (414) 832-6168
Appleton Public Library |                 |   fax: (414) 832-6422
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Subject: Re: Hulk
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:13:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.210228.3837@wkuvx1.bitnet> barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.002426.23256@u.washington.edu>, gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov9.160506.3826@wkuvx1.bitnet> barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>>>In article <69160@cup.portal.com>, Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>>>> In regards to Delphi's vision of the Hulk's mental state, laughing with blood
>>>> on his hands...why,it was right there in Hulk #400, page 46, panel 1.  I'm
>>>> surprised no one has commented on it.
>>>Yeah, I wondered if that was the way that panel was supposed to be. 
>>>Too bad; I was kind of hoping that would stay off in the future for a
>>>while...
>> 	Why are you so sure it isn't?
>Ummm... because the writer *said* that it isn't?

	Oh?  He did?  Don't think so....

  I was hoping we'd
>see some big buildup (yeah, the subtleness of the buildup could be
>argued as being refreshing) to where the Hulk goes off the deep end,
>instead of him just losing it in battle one day, then recovering.

	Who said he's recovered?

	And who's said the build ups OVER?


-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
From: balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: X-Men: The MovieOkay, since there's been plenty of talk about the
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:12:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.231940.3879@twg.com>, rwalls@twg.com (Roger Walls) writes:
>>Hey, here's a twisted idea:
>>
>>Danny DeVito as Wolverine.

Bob Hoskins IS Wolverine.  think about it.

Mark Balbes
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Re: Bram Stoker's Dracula ..
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:26:07 GMT

>Has anyone bought Dracula?  My store sold out of #1 (of course, I say to 
>myself, it was polybagged with cards and mumbo jumbo!).  Anyways, I was 
>wondering if it was worth hunting down.

The cover price is a bit steap ($3.50 in Canada), but it is a good read.
A very faithful adaptation of the novel...so far. Mignola's art is
great. You can understand why the Topps Comics wanted to get him so bad.
He has a very "atmospheric" style.

Of course, no comic from Topps would be complete without some cards to
accompany them. Not much into the cards, but they appeared to be very
high quality stuff.

Overall, if the movie is as good as this adaptation is so far, then
there is a lot of hope for the movie. In a year where I have seen more
disappointing movie then good ones, I desperately want this one to be
good.

-Craig
Holy &%$*! The Tampa Bay Lighting are in 1st place! (thud).


Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos)
Subject: Re: Dream and the Prodigal do history...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:42:00 GMT

In article <lsmith.721165401@deci> lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>First, "A Treatise on Optics" just refers to _Opticks_. This was published
>in 1704. A Latin translation was published in 1706. (Latin was the lingua
>franca of the scientific community.) Samuel Clarke did the translation at
>Newton's request.
>
>With the new edition came an additional 7 queries. (Queries were Newton's
>observations and often served as areas for further research. All ended with
>a question mark.) In the 1706 edition these were queries 17-23. They were 
>eventually bumped to spots 25-31 of the second English edition published
>in 1717. There was also a third English edition published in 1721.
>
>Anyone have any other clews?
>
Does anyone but me remeber that great piece of Newtonian folklore about his 
dog?  Later in his career, he made a profound breakthough in his theories on the
nature of light.  Diamond, his dog, knocked a lit candle on the only manuscript,
completely destroying it.  Newton was said to reply, "Diamond, thou dost not 
know what thou hast done."  Looking at the Dog of Art, and realizing the book
was DESTROYed, maybe poor old Diamond _did_ know what he was doing... 
-- 
I don't mind being the smartest	    / Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of Unknown
man in the world...I just wish it   \ Time and Space tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
wasn't this one...	       	    / It's a Zen thing... 
	-Ozymandias 		    \	 you wouldn't understand...