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Subject: Neophyte wants advice on Hybrid. Please.
From: thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:34:08 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

Hi there.

After zipping around on my Saturday Night Special pile'o'junk, I am
now thinking of getting a better bike.

Intended Purpose
----------------
I only ride on roads and have no real desire to get into the mud. A
typical ride for would be a couple of hours of biking around with the
odd stop for lunch/drink/whatever.

I also commute to work about twice a week. This is 25km each way and
currently takes me about an hour (no comments please! :-)

Being 6' and not exactly slim, I imagine that something reasonably
strong would suit.

SalesDroidSpeak 
--------------- 
A guy at my local bicycle shop spent an hour telling me that a hybrid
was the answer to my not very expensive dreams. It was a local brand,
a Raleigh Multi X200. Came with Shimano 200CX gearset (correct
jargon?), Rapidfire shifters, and 700c wheels. Cost is NZ$780 - about
US$400 and was a little less than I was thinking of spending.

Questions
---------
Do I want to get a hybrid? He told me that the main disadvantage of a
hybrid over a full road bike is the weight. However, this seems to
ignore the different frame geometry and possibly useful drop
handlbars. How well do hybrids cope with aero bars?

Rapidfire. Well, I liked them but how well do they last? They weren't
Rapidfire Plus, but he said that they also weren't from the first
release which were meant to be quite crappy. Any comments?

BTW, what do you think of the Vetta C20 computer? It seems cheap and
does have cadence which could be fun...


Thanks for any help - please either mail or post. Unfortunately I
don't really know any local cyclists that I can ask for information.
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From: jake@introl.com (Joel Jacobson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace,rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Schwinn for sale
Date: 28 Dec 1992 08:07:33 -0600
Organization: Introl Corp.
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In article <Bzxnup.KyL@cs.uiuc.edu> tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
>jly33321@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John L.Yoon ) writes:
>>Public notice from the Chicago Tribune, Sunday Dec. 27th
>>		SCHWINN BICYCLE COMPANY
>>In accordance with an Order of the Bankruptcy Court for the Northern
>>District of Illinois, Eastern Division, entered on December 21, 1992,
>>by the Honorable Jack B. Schmetterer, Case Nos. 92B22474-22482
>>inclusive, the SCHWINN BICYCLE COMPANY (the "Company")
>>seeks buyers or investors for all or parts of its business.  Pursuant
>>to such Order, a procedure has been established to provide qualified
>>parties with access to information for the purpose of formulating a bid.
>>Interested parties are invited to request a bid package from the 
>>Company by sending such request to the following address:
>>SCHWINN BICYCLE COMPANY
>>217 North Jefferson Street
>>Chicago, Illinois 60661
>
>I bid .03 cents.

if i can get really cheap paramount frames, i'll go $100.
but its gotta be REALLY cheap...


jake "broke before the season even started"
From: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Bontrager saddle
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:26:23 GMT
Reply-To: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I picked up a Bontrager saddle the other day, so here is a quick review:

It's hard to describe the shape of this saddle if you haven't seen it.
It is the same as the Titanio saddle with the exception that the stern
is slightly elongated and significantly narrowed.  The nose is similar
to a Turbo (not super narrow like Flite) and the shell is flexible but
not quite as much as the Flite.  The rails are of reasonable length
but do not extend all the way back to the end of the extra-long shell.
The rails on my Flite ate through the cover which also came unglued
around the edges after a relatively short time.  On this saddle the
rails are not exposed like the Flite.  Hopefully it will withstand some
wetting (rain or otherwise) better, too.

If you like to get off the back of your saddle on the steep stuff, it is
much easier to get back on with the Bontrager due to the cut-off flanks.
I was a little concerned that I might tend to slide off the back when
climbing, but it seems to be wide enough to prevent that.

Most sources only list the Ti-railed model which goes for $70-$80 and
is advertised at about 200 grams.  I got the steel-railed model from
Performance's "After Christmas Sale" for $40.  It weighs 260 grams
(actual).  I think Performance only has these saddles in black but they
are also available in purple and white.

I think this is a very well thought-out design for off-road riding and
a good deal in the steel-railed model.  I'll report back if I have any
problems with durability.

David Mackintosh
From: Howard.Gerber@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Howard Gerber)
Sender: Jpunix@urchin.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Helmet gift advice wanted
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 22:40:44 -0500

Daniel Lance Herrick asks:

 DLH> My new son-in-law uses a bicycle for transportation in Lincoln,
Nebraska.
 DLH> He's had at least one altercation with a car and they've decided
he wants
 DLH> a helmet.
 DLH> What do I want to know before buying one for him?

 Most important issues would be does the helmet fit and will it be
replaced
 if he crashes.

 DLH> I get the idea from articles still in the spool here that head
size is not
 DLH> enough, head shape is an issue too. Do we have to take him to try
helmets
 DLH> on?

 That would be the best way, but there are others. You could get a
written
 agreement from your local bike shop that they will exchange the helmet
 for a different one if it doesn't fit right. If you aren't in the same
area
 of the country that would be difficult.

 Some brands of helmets -- Giro, Specialized, etc. -- are for people
like
 be with long, narrow heads, while others -- Rhode Gear, Bell, etc. --
 tend to be more round. No amount of adjustment pads will make a Rhode
Gear
 helmet fit on my head.

 DLH> An earlier time when I was reading rec.bicycles, I picked up that
the foam
 DLH> is only good for one crash. Are there helmets that have replacable
liners?

 No, the route that the better manufacturers go is to replace the entire
helmet
 if you have a crash. Make sure that any helmet you buy has this kind
of
 policy.

 DLH> Are hard shells any benefit at bicycle energies? Is the pure foam
that
 DLH> will be broken into pieces after the first crash a better way to
go?

 Hardshell helmets weigh more, and are thus less likely to be used.
However
 they are more durable when knocked around the house. In a crash, any
helmet,
 hard or soft shell should be replaced. From personal experience, I
would say
 that micro-film coated soft shell helmets are the best choice.

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From: curt@mcm.hp.com (Curt Simkins)
Subject: Thompson Timeless Peddles & Swift Shift's
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit -  McMinville OR
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:19:07 GMT

Keywords: 

Thompson Timeless Transition Adaptors:  Used once, never raced.
My running career was ended by a bike/car accident.
Retail: $79.95     Will sell for $50 including shipping.
Already assembled, just needs your cleats.

Profile Swift Shift:  Shift lever adaptors for Profile Aero
Bars.  Mounted once but never used, will fit Aero I, Aero II
and Airstryke's. 
Includes mounts, cables and housing.
Retail: $40.00     Will sell for $30.00 including shipping.
 
Aloha Eh!
Curt
curt@mcm.hp.com
       
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From: unpalomb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Nicholas Palombo)
Subject: 1992 StumpJumper Comp (20" Red)
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:24:45 GMT

Selling BRAND NEW UNUSED 1992 StumpJumer Comp

It comes in the Red Raspberry color. 20" frame. Deore XT components group
(except for Specialized Crankset and pedals).

Asking $650 shipped.

Nick Palombo
unpalomb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Northeastern Illinois University, Chicago IL.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Advice on Light Parts
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:13:09 GMT

mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh) writes:
>As far as light posts go, you might try Dirt Research, American Classic,
>or Ritchey.  I just bent my Kingsberry (nearly identical to Am. Class.)
>but I weigh 180lb and ride pretty close to the max mark of a 350mm post.
>Anyone know if any other light (and <$100) posts are likely to be any
>stronger?

You might want to try American Classic.  I've been told they're higher
quality construction than Kingsberry even though they look the same.
I've been using American Classic posts on my road and mountain bikes
for years and have never had a breakage problem.  I'm 6"3", 230 lbs.
They're only about $40 too which is pretty cheap for a high-quality
seatpost.
-Terry
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: bobk@netcom.com (Bob Knight)
Subject: Wanted: small track bike
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 22:34:41 GMT

Looking for a small track bike 50-53 cm.
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From: cp0k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Claire Rene Palmgren)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace,rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Wanted:Dirt Research Cable Hanger
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:01:28 GMT
Organization: Social and Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

WANTED:

Dirt Research Cable Hanger  1"

If you have one you're willing to part with,
 
please send e-mail to cp0k@andrew.cmu.edu

or post to this b-board.

Thanks,
claire palmgren
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From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Helmet gift advice wanted
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:57:04 GMT

JKS <jkingsmi@mstr.amc.edu.au> writes:
>>Buy a Gyro.  If you crash one of their helmets you get a new on for
>$15.
>>-Terry
>Isn't a helmet that fits properly is more likely to protect you in
>the event of an accident? This might be preferable to one you can
>replace cheaply.
>If the hat fits...

Ummmm I think Gyro has pretty much established it's credentials.
-Terry
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From: ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe)
Subject: Re: Cycling Posters, etc. wanted for office
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:26:15 GMT

In article <85877@ut-emx.uucp> kipper@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Kip Ingram) writes:
>Hi.  I'd like to decorate my office with cycling decor; I'm interested in
>finding posters and so forth depicting both real and fictional cycling 
>situations.  I'd like shots of actual races, maybe a movie poster (American
>Flyers, Breaking Away, etc), or whatever.
>
>Can any recommend an outlet, or perhaps you have something yourself that you're
>looking to get rid of?

Get the VeloNews calendars and cut out the pictures.  Great action,
great photography, but no fiction.  Have a photo shot blow them up
if you don't like the size.

John_Ampe@att.com
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From: pwyc@cbnewse.cb.att.com (peter.w.chen)
Subject: Re: grocery packs?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:27:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.181237.16448@cbnewse.cb.att.com> I wrote:
>
>Where can I get some packs that can hold grocery bags and be attached to the
>rear racks?  I saw NASHBAR had something called "Townies" that seem to be
>what I want: they are open-topped, and can be folded up when not in use.
>But when I called to order, the item was out of stock with no delivery date,
>meaning it will probably be discontinued.  Any other suggestions?

Wow, thanks to all those who replied (in less than 24 hours!) to my post.  I
decided to get the "Round Town Baskets" from REI (cat. 542-040-0011, phone
800-426-4840), which costs (ouch!) $55, plus shipping.  Gee, at the current
gasoline price of ~$1.10/gallon, and figuring my Civic gets about 20
miles/gallon on a short shopping trip (1 mile), it will take only about 500
trips to recover the cost of these baskets!  Sure hope Clinton raises that
gasoline tax soon!

Another possibility suggested by Felix Yen <yen@stsci.edu>:

i happened upon Bike Pro's price list.  this information is from 6/92,
i.e. may be obsolete.

the "city basket" comes in black, red, royal, and purple.  it costs
$20.50 plus postage.  i'm not sure if this is for one basket or a
pair, but assume that it's for one.

ordering info:  Bike Pro USA
		3701 West Roanoke, Suite A
		Phoenix, AZ 85009
		(602) 272 3588
		(800) 338 7581
		(800) 442 8900 (fax)

I called to get the catalog; if the REI baskets (probably the same as the
Nashbar Townies) don't work out, I'll try these instead.
==
Peter Chen
pwyc@ihspa.att.com
From: Howard.Gerber@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Howard Gerber)
Sender: Jpunix@urchin.fidonet.org
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Subject: Re: AVIA vs Shimano Shoes?????
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 10:30:42 -0500

Ken Lehner <kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com>  writes:

 KL> I've found Shimano to be the widest cycling shoes.

New Balance makes very wide shoes, generally wider than Shimano.
From: mattc@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Matt Courtois)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Need IRD phone number
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:34:42 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Corp., Network Products - San Diego

I've bent 2 IRD Mt. bike seatposts in the last month.
I'd like to find out if I can just replace the
post.  If someone could post or email IRD's phone
number or address, I'd appreciated it.


matt.


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From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Schwinn for sale
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 19:37:36 GMT

jly33321@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John L.Yoon ) writes:
>Public notice from the Chicago Tribune, Sunday Dec. 27th
>		SCHWINN BICYCLE COMPANY
>In accordance with an Order of the Bankruptcy Court for the Northern
>District of Illinois, Eastern Division, entered on December 21, 1992,
>by the Honorable Jack B. Schmetterer, Case Nos. 92B22474-22482
>inclusive, the SCHWINN BICYCLE COMPANY (the "Company")
>seeks buyers or investors for all or parts of its business.  Pursuant
>to such Order, a procedure has been established to provide qualified
>parties with access to information for the purpose of formulating a bid.
>Interested parties are invited to request a bid package from the 
>Company by sending such request to the following address:
>SCHWINN BICYCLE COMPANY
>217 North Jefferson Street
>Chicago, Illinois 60661

I bid .03 cents.
-Terry
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From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Shimano, the Company (was: XTR 8SPD and thumb shifters)
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 11:05:07 GMT

In article <BzqDG6.EKB@cs.uiuc.edu>, tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
|> gsurbeck@eng.umd.edu (Gregory D. Surbeck) writes:
|> >	My biggest complaint with Shimano lies in their cost. 

|> 
|> Yeah but their mid-line stuff like Ultegra and Deore DX is really good for
|> the price.

The Shimano pricing structure is obviously driven by the marketing department
and not by engineering cost.  It was true for the 92 line up that the Deore DX
offered very similar quality/performance to the XT gruppo.  I have an exact
breakdown of the differences.  Indeed there were many cases in the jump from
the Exage to LX gruppo where the only difference was a higher price tag and
a different part number !

Shimano have muddied the '93 waters a bit.  It now looks like the DX and XT
lines are being squeeze between the vastly improved LX and the (overpriced)
XTR lines. The M system brakes, standard on both LX and XTR are only an option
for DX and XT.  The '92 Shimano brakes, when tested by the German TUV, were
not exactly top of the class.

Next months German Bike (das Mountain Bike) Magazine has a complete breakdown
of the differences between the top Shimano groups.  I'll post a summary when I
get it.


David.

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From: dmc@cc.gatech.edu (David M. Carlson)
Subject: Re: ATB purchase help for teenager request.
Reply-To: dmc@cc.gatech.edu (David M. Carlson)
Organization: College of Computing, Georgia Tech
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:49:48 GMT

In article <50641@shamash.cdc.com> ldh@svl.cdc.com (Lawrence D. Hare) writes:
>
>Are there mail order outlets for unassembled bikes - like computers - at
>delightful discounts? Or can one approach the manufacturers directly? Are
>there outlets where one can purchase the individual components, then
>assemble them at home?
>
Unlike the computer world, bicycles cost _more_ if purchased as components.
I have been interrested in doing the same sort of thing, but it always turns
out cheeper to buy the assembled bike.  I don't really see why this is but my
guess is so that they can ream you when you need to replace something.  The auto
industry is similar, the parts needed for a $26,000 Jeep Cherokee cost the 
home mechanic ~$56,000 (Time article from a few months ago). 


My best suggestion is to get a cheap Specialized or Diamond Back.  Also you
might check Bike Nashbar ( a national mail order catalog).  They have an ATB
on sale for $219 (it looks OK).  Their number is 1800-NASHBAR.

Good Luck.


David Carlson    -   dmc@cc.gatech.edu
--------------------------------------------------
Frank settled down and he hung his wild years on a
nail that he drove through his wife's forehead.
From: Howard.Gerber@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Howard Gerber)
Sender: Jpunix@urchin.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Nuovo Record from Derailleur wanted
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:58:54 -0500

Having played the game with two Campy Chorus front derailleurs, and
having
had them both break on me during normal riding, I am looking to purchase
a
new or used (in good condition) Nuovo Record front derailleur. I know
that
those work. I have one on my Paramount, but I would like one for my
Austro
Daimler. Anyone upgrading to the new and latest components want to part
with
their old one? Thanks.

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From: "Michael Smith" <p00004@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Need to read : Are you an idiot?
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 00:13:34 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)

>DATE:   Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:31:37 GMT
>FROM:   G. E. Madine, AT&T-BL/AL, cbnewsm. <madine@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>
>jasmith@admin1.memst.edu (John) writes:
>>I see these people and some times I'd like to
>>        open my passenger door and knock them down or just run them off the
>>        road.
>
>What I know is that you don't really have the b**ls to act out your
>psychotic fantasies.  So you scale back.  You pass rush hour cyclists
>with plenty of clearance.  You lean on your horn to politely warn them
>of your presence (since you do not know how loud and stinky you already
>are to bicyclists).  But maybe you shake your fist a little as you go
>by.

If only it were always so. At least in my neck of the woods, this 
fellow's spiritual kinfolk *don't* always scale back. I have been 
literally run off the road once -- by a driver looking right at me and 
baring his rat-like incisors in a grotesque parody of a smile. And as 
for passing with "plenty of clearance," this idea evokes a sour laugh; 
hardly a day goes by that some dement doesn't roar around me with a 
millimeter to spare, leaning on his horn the whole time. 

How much does it take in the way of "b**ls" (or whatever organ is the 
seat of courage) to menace a cyclist from the safety of a metal cage? I 
have the impression that for a good many motorists, the car itself is a 
kind of prosthesis for deficiencies, real or imagined, in the same 
general anatomical area.

--Michael Smith
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From: thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle)
Subject: Re: Need to read : Are you an idiot?
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 23:23:11 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <1992Dec30.105216.4788@admin1.memst.edu> jasmith@admin1.memst.edu (John) writes:
>            The facts are that a car's weigh over a ton and a bike weigh
>       less than 25 pounds.  So, my question is who are these idiots that
>       get out on busy streets and ride in the street?  I see these people
>       out around rush hour on the most travel roads in Memphis.  The traffic 
>       is almost bumper to bumper, and you have some idiot on his bike in the 
>       right hand lane slowing traffic up.  All I want to know is who are you
>       people?  What is going on in your head?  Your asking for trouble doing
>       stupid stuff like that.  

Well, buy me a car and I might consider it.

On the other hand, I like being able to get from one side of town to
the other in less than time than it takes to drive in peak hour
traffic. (City of a few hundred thousand people.)



-- 
    Thomas Beagle | thomas@datamark.co.nz           Work: 64 4 233 8186
Datamark Intl Ltd | thomas@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz     Home: 64 4 499 3832
 Technical Writer | Yes, I do have long ears, a black nose, and a tail.
From: walvdrk@research.ptt.nl (Kees van der Wal +31 70 332 6295)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Biking in France
Date: 31 Dec 92 08:05:08 GMT
Organization: PTT Research, The Netherlands

> In article <1992Dec30.220005.13497@edsi.plexus.COM>, gcs@edsi.plexus.COM 
> (Greg C. Steiner) writes: 
> Where can I get more information about biking in France?  
> Specifically how to rent a bike for a few days, where it's best to
> ride.

The book "Fietsen in Europa" [ Dutch :-( ] mentions that bikes can be rented 
at about 300 railway stations. The quality is very different, not all of them 
have gears. The bike may be returned at another station. Price (1991) about
FF40 (traditional type) to FF55 (mountain bike). You'll need some kind of ID
and a deposit of FF200. 

Route suggestions can be obtained (also in English) from:
   Federation Francaise de Cyclotourisme, 
   8 rue Jean-Marie Jego
   75013 Paris
   tel: +33 1 4580 3021

Regards, <kees>
From: acocka@ccmail.orst.edu (Acock Alan)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: only a test
Date: 4 Jan 1993 01:16:16 GMT
Organization: Milam Hall Network OSU
NNTP-Posting-Host: acocka.mlm.orst.edu
Summary: only a test

only a test
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