Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.news-media
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Clinton Screws Up! Press Reports It!
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 13 Sep 92 20:56:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.195745.29630@actrix.gen.nz> Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.121218.19645@anomaly.sbs.risc.net> kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
>> Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>> 
>> I don't actually know why I'm responding to a posting from New Zealand...
>> As if people there actually KNOW anything about American politics, or,
>> for that matter, should be sticking their noses into our countries
>> political scene...
>
>Well.....you assume an awful lot here.....I grew up in North America and
>follow events there closely. We get CNN and the ABC nightly news - in full -
>as well as the New York Times and the L A papers - and many others being
>available at the local library - only a few weeks old. The media of the world
>are awash in US news...... 
> 
okay, stop!  you just got yourself classified as a "culture elite"
by the ditto folks from alt.rush-limbaugh!  ;-)  You see, in order to
"KNOW" anything about "REAL" American politics, you should starting 
burning NY & LA Times, and listen to Rush Limbaugh!  After you 
got brain-washed enough and can't even point out New Zealand on a map,
than you will be allowed to sing praise for VeePee Danny Quayle, Pat
Robertson and company.  


>So, unless you personally sit down and have heart-to-hearts with Mr Quayle,
>there is a *very* good chance that I know just as much as you do.....
>
I think you know more than you flamer do, see, real Quayle fans really think
Danny is the smartest among them.  So, take out the telescope and look
for those Canals and those little Green Martians in swimming suits
on the Mars surface.  :-)


>You must be a conservative to dismiss my views in the way you have. The usual
>conservative tactic in debate is to try to discredit the arguer rather than
>the argument. Lift your game.
> 
>For all you know, I might be an American living in New Zealand. But you don't
>know.

"New Zealand is an island in the Pacific which is right over there!"  ;-)
>
>> >Again....you dismiss the fact that he is a legitmate target because he has
>> >demonstrated incompetence while holding high office.
>> 
>> Oh, Quayle has done some stupid things while in office. But, so has just
>> about every President - Ford falling down all the time, Carter telling us
>> how he spent evenings discussing world politics with Amy for her opinions,
>> the list goes on and on. However, I wouldn't label them as "incompetence".
>> In fact, most of the "stories" about things Quayle has done are better 
>> posted to alt.urban.legend than anywhere else.
>> 
>> >He isn't just another man or woman. He is the Vice_president of the USA - and
>> >is clearly not up to the job. 
>> 
>> As if you would really have the credentials to judge who should and shouldn't
>> be in US political office. Leave that to people who know.
>
>Again, you patronise. As pointed out above, you and I very likely gain our
>information from the same media - unless Mr Quayle is in your personal circle
>of friends. Like me, you have probably never met the man face to face (or done
>more than shake his hand if you have). The fact that I live in New Zealand has
>little relevance these days. According to your argument, people who live in
>Hawaii aren't allowed to have an oppinion either because they would see as
>much of Mr Quayle as we do in New Zealand. Similarly, people in Alaska would
>be beyond the pale. 
> 
>Of course, if I want to talk directly with Americans about the poltics of the
>US, I can always do that through the Net - if they aren't too patronising that
>is.
>
>Steve
>-- 
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