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Reply-To:     Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik <amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
From:         Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik <amadeus@CCWF.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: One simple (?!) question
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On Tue, 10 Nov 1992, samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU wrote:

>> [re: Shekhinah]
> This is interesting, because there are people in India who will name them-
> selves after words like these (divine principle etc). Such people and their
> cults are actually looked upon as a little bit weird, by the way. Anyway,
> not to draw parallels, but what were those books about? Is it all part of
> a coherent movement or religion? How widespread is it? What is it all about?
>
> Information only, please.

As opposed to what? :)

These books fall under the category of women's spirituality in the average
bookstore listing, and are part of the feminist aspect of neo-pagan
Witchcraft.  It's pretty widespread, and about as coherent as one might
expect a reconstructionist religion to be.

And, BTW, it is a common practice for people involved in paganism to adopt
a name more in keepong with their spiritual alignments than their birth
names... much like Roman Catholic nuns and priests take saints' names when
ordained.  It's not really any loopier, I guess...

> tushar

-----Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik-------------------------------*<:-)-------------
"Queens never make bargains."  -- The Red Queen, _Through the Looking Glass_
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From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Clear the air
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>I swear I had predicted all of Dan's reply. Down to the last letter,
>complete with "bfd", I swear it.
>
>I had also predicted Judith's cheerful humorous reply, except I thought
>she would say he was CUTE.
Oh, he wasn't *that* bad!

>Have some vague idea what elicits what around here.
Hobgoblins of small minds, we all are...

>tushar
love, Saint Judith of the Leather Clothing
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From:         ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU
Subject:      Re: Adventures in Democracy
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Posted on 4 Nov 1992 at 18:02:49 by JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS
>ps - Meanwhile, down in Oracle Junction, the air in Biosphere is getting
>worse.  The oxygen level continues to drop, and some of the Biospherians
>are on breathing masks at night.  Hey, bring the kids!

What is this?  I haven't heard this before...why is the oxygen level
dropping?

Karen
who is clearly out of the loop
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From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: I thought since He won i would remind you of his
              qualifications.
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On Wed, 4 Nov 1992, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>  MARTIAL STATUS: married (Hillary in 1975)    RELIGION: Baptist

Reminds me of what Alice Roosevelt said about FDR: "Any man who's married
to Eleanor deserves a little fun."

You forgot his amazing accomplishments of smoking a joint without inhaling
it and managing to deny the armed forces his superb tactician's mind
during Vietnam!

-abh
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From:         blomberg cepeda <ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: the truth about judith (try no. 2
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Posted by Judith

>BTW I just had lunch with Blommie again, and showed him
>some pictures from the Cambridge pre-clam slam...he
>*freaked* at the leather!
>
>I can't *wait* to hear his interpretation...
>
>love, judith, "clothed all in leather,
>               from her toes up to her chin..."

judith, judith, how many times do I have to tell, I can't perform with that
kind of pressure. Sheesh, the Ivy Room at lunch was bad enough, and with
that friend of yours from Comp Sci, I mean, what do you want, I'M ONLY HUMAN
DAMMIT


       blomberg cepeda, the mere shell of a man
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
 <TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Christian bashing

: Freedom of association includes the freedom not to associate.

> Sorry, I keep forgetting about that one.  Over here we only have
> an anti-prejudice law which ensures that any organisation open to
> the public ... is open to everyone.

Sorry, I keep taking for granted the rights I enjoy as a U.S.
citizen.

> Schools over here have been forced to accept girls, as have a
> couple of school soccer teams.

The U.S. version of open access is a bit more complicated.  Any
school that accepts Federal assistance, including participation in
student loan programs, must comply with Federal policies.  That's
likely the lever by which VMI is being prodded into going coed.

Steve Karlson
From: ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU (Dan Lester)
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Date: 6 Nov 92 19:21:31 GMT
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              6 Nov 1992 09:51:11 EST from <ST401601@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>

On Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:51:11 EST Bill Merrill said:
>   I was born one mornin' in the drizzlin' rain;
>   Fightin' and trouble are my middle name.
>   I was raised in the [cane break] by an old [mama ?ine]
      Yes, cane brake (according to my dictionary) "a dense growth of
  cane plants, an area overgrown with canes"   NOT esp sugar cane.

>   'Twas a high-toned woman made me walk the line.
>Is cane break (if those are correct words) what's left after
   yes, but notice  spelling.   and that NOT sugar cane.

>the cause of his leaving home? When he "walked the line," does
>that mean he "walked up (or down) the railroad tracks?"

   nope....as in toed the line, walked the straight and narrow, etc....

>   Sixteen tons of number nine coal
>   And the [stawk] boss said, "Well bless my soul!"

   again, my dict defines straw boss as "a person having subordinate
authority, as a foreman's assistant   2. a supervisor who has little or no
authority to support his orders"  I take the song as def 1.

   and the key to the whole song is the lines you quote on owing the
soul to the company store....where they HAD to buy stuff on credit
for greatly inflated prices....have you seen one of the really wonderful
movies of last decade or so, Matewan?  Rent the video.  Great stuff.

And it is pronounced with two syllables.  MATE -wan.

dan
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Did prop. 9 fail in oregon?
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              4 Nov 1992 13:36:00 EST from <185422285@UCIS.VILL.EDU>

On Wed, 4 Nov 1992 13:36:00 EST Alec D. Plotkin said:
>
>Thank God. If it had passed it would have been a black eye on Oregon  and
>the United States.
>later

Well, the black eye is on Colorado instead.....their similar measure DID
pass.....though doubt it will hold up in the courts....

dan, ex-Coloradan, now in snowy Idaho.
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>Karen The Job Seeker ("And in addition to teaching 3 levels of Japanese,
>a film course, and a culture course, I know how to telnet!")
   ^^^^^^^^^^^

Japanese film or film in general?  Just curious.  mem
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 18:25:14 CST
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
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>> as she is spoke". Discard it immediately and buy a dictionary. THEN look
>> up the words. Yes, again, Harwell. I have a hunch it will surprise you.
>
>Go ahead, Tushar, enlighten me. You're dying to. Fan out your plumage!

I wouldn't dream of spoiling your simple pleasures, Harwell. Yes, I am
dying to, but I won't.

On second thoughts, I will. Callow means "inexperienced".

tushar
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In a previous article, maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU ("Natalie Maynor") says:

>Ain't AT&T fun.  ;-)
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Count your blessings, Natalie - at least it isn't throwing headless
chickens, egg trays de fridge, or peanuts at us!


-- 
		###	Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###
			- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
	      Where anything can happen, and it usually does
From: PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Judith E. Schrier)
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Subject: Re: Help on a word?
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:14:02 GMT
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>       Why 'jack' to designate a no-longer-observant Mormon?  Are female jack
>       Mormons called 'jill Mormons'?
How about "jenny Mormons"?

>       A similar term I've heard wrt Catholics
>       is 'lapsed Catholic.'  Are there other denomination-specific terms?
>
>[whatever the term is wrt Jews, I'm close]

What I've heard is "non-observant" Jews. Which seems kind of
wishy-washy. "Lapsed" sounds more like they *mean* it!

>neal    traven@pittvms                  Bitnet          412-624-0097 (office)
judith
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I personally feel that Perot would make an ideal President.
1. I could hang his picture and not mind looking at it.
2. He's assassination proof.
    a. Admiral Stockwell
    b. The majority of his body weight consists of harmless ear flesh.
3. He's a one-man economic embargo.
4. He can erase the debt...  personally.
All he would need is an obnoxious right-wing group to protest, and he'd
be in the Oval Office.
Peace, Love, and Populism,
Jim
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
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>As far as things calculated to label one
>as twits go, working words into conversations ranks far, far higher than
>singing them! Take this as official, coming from an official representative
>of a different generation!

I have yet to meet a 9 year old that wasn't a twit...that's what being that
age means.

>Someone who works antidisestablishmentarianism in
>his conversation is an incorrigible twit, a twit branded for life, a
>supercilious prig, a wuss, a dweeb, and if you'll pardon the expression, a
>consummate dork!

So how would you describe the present generation of 9 year olds, whose sole
aim in life seems to be to work the words 'fart' and 'fuckin' into their
conversations?

>Yes, I am sorry to say that though antidisestablishmentarianism might go down
>well in certain quarters, the seething mass of humanity has given the mandate:
>it's a twit word par excellence! Make no mistake about that, Carolyn!

I have no problems with being labelled a 'twit' - it's second nature to me now
- but I do object to the use of the adjective 'weak-minded'... 'supercilious'
and 'consummate', on the other hand, contain an element of truth when used to
describe me.

>>Actually, Tushar, you do remarkably well for someone from the 'illiterate
>>generation'. :-)
>
>Is this getting schmaltzy? It almost begins to sound as if this is getting
>schmaltzy ...

Just because something comes sugar-coated doesn't mean that what is on the
inside is unpalatable.

Carolyn (who'd rather be a sweet witch than a saucy bitch)
From: rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU ((Rashmi))
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Subject: Re: The Democrats and Me
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:45:24 GMT
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> >rashmi, List Evaluator of Candidates' Attractiveness
> This is the same person who makes accusations of being a pooh-bah
> (whatever that means) at the drop of a hat. Just thought I'd mention
> it.
>
> tushar

You earned the appellation, Tushar, one that was awarded after observation
and careful consideration, not on a whim.  Check the appropriate dictionary
for the meaning.

rashmi
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From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Mastergate

Does anyone know if the script to the play Mastergate has been published?
I saw Mastergate on Showtime's free preview Saturday, and, IMHO, Mastergate
is hilarious!

Evelyn Duncan
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              in the rain" at Nov 5, 92 11:14 pm

> [yes, Natalie, we did this last year or the year before]

It was last year.  I remember because I'd been an on-off lurker for a while,
and for some reason this thread helped me "recognize" the various list
personalities.

rashmi
From: gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK (Graham Toal)
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: "How have basic Catholic doctrines on sex backfired? (p. 151) ...

Yes - premeditated contraception is a mortal sin - post facto abortion
is not and can be bought off with sufficient Hale Marys.  Consequently
Catholics have a higher abortion rate than any other identifiable
group.  Ironic, huh?

G
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I got signed off words by the local netman this weekend. This
morning I resubscribed. Does this mean I'm a newbie ?
                                                     Br Paul
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:32:26 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
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On Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:36:42 +1100, LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU wrote:
> It was considered quite a feat to be able to use it appropriately in a
> conversation and was a means of gaining instant adulation. :-)

Well, non-antidisestablishmentarianistally speaking, my dear, I really
think it's time Britain followed the US lead and separated Church from
State.  We still have to swear alliegance to God first and the Queen
second when we enlist in our Army.  It wasn't easy not to choke :-(

G
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Posted on 9 Nov 1992 at 21:17:05 by Graham Toal
>Agnes, give the message ID, the date, and the forum - for us, the best
>would be 'bit.listserv.words-l' - that would allow anyone to find
>it on the CD roms.

If you get Words-L as mail, there isn't a message ID.  I would be inclined
to include things that people responded to threads I deliberately provoked
(like the reconstruction thread, which I neglected sadly to reply to... I'm
behind in everything) as "personal communication".   In which case, it would
not appear in the list of References, or in a Bibliography.

Karen
From: ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU (Dan Lester)
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Subject: sex in the library
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              Cinda Bear <cinda@idui1.BITNET>

The following article is reproduced, without permission, from the
Boise State University _Arbiter_, 11/10/92, page 3.

And who says we librarians don't have fun, especially in the circulation
and reserve areas.  8-)

dan in snowy potatoland


Sex makes its debut at Library reserve desk

   The BSU Library can now boast of a new acquisition hot off the press.  Yes,
Madonna's new book Sex is now available on campus.
   Unfortunately, for those who wish a little privacy, the book is on
permanent reserve and cannot be taken home.  But there are private "study"
rooms on the third and fourth floors.
   In addition, the CD that accompanies the book is on reserve on the
second floor.  It has only one song, "Erotic," which has already
received considerable MTV coverage.

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* Dan Lester                          Bitnet:   alileste@idbsu              *
* Associate University Librarian      Internet: alileste@idbsu.idbsu.edu    *
* Boise State University                                                    *
* Boise, Idaho  83725                 BSU and I have a deal: I don't speak  *
* 208-385-1234                        for them and they don't speak for me. *
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From: LEAH@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (leah)
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Date: 12 Nov 92 15:06:10 GMT
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Sorry Tony."Self-hating Jews"is not a term most of us apply to those Jews who a
re anti-Israel or non-Zionists, or who criticise Israeli policies and
 practices."Self-hating Jews"is a term used to describe those Jews who
use stereotypic ideas and expressions in describing the behavior and attitudes
of other Jews. Like saying, for example, of someone who is assertive, or even
aggressive, (irrespective of that person's ethnic affiliation) that s/he's
a typical New York City Jew. If a non-Jew says it, he's prejudiced, if a Jew sa
ys it, she's a self-hating Jew.
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Subject:      Re: One simple (?!) question

A quote:
  You do get wiser when you live for hundreds of years, but you also
have more time to turn out as badly as your enemies always said you might.

                                    Lestat
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              03 Nov 92 10:53:47 EST." <9211031057.aa13957@Nova.TCS.Tufts.EDU>

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Says BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU:
>>Yes, some people actually have a paid holiday today. A woman I know from
>>Scarlett
>
>  I can't believe that only the University of Kentucky is this
>  enlightened, to give its scholars and workers the day off to
>  brad
Tufts is not so enlightened.  I took it as a vacation day because it
was both election day and my 40th birthday.
- RobyMeister (why is my nickname longer than my name, Czarina?)
+++++++++++++
Kentucky State U was also off -- I believe state workers as well.
JAG
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From:         Bill Merrill <ST401601@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Neology and paleology
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I wanted to get back to Lisa's question about neology and paleology
and sentence she quoted containing them. (I'd have posted that
sentence along with some of Ruth's comments, but my <reply text>
command is on the fritz.) A neologism is indeed the use of a new
coinage or of an old word with a new meaning. Paleology, however,
is properly the study of antiquity. But how these words combine
with magic and synergy to produce meaning is beyond me. Will
someone else please try to explain the sentence? Bill
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
: Sounds to me like its KKKarlson who has the malaise -- I remember your
: election 'prediction'.  I hope you're better at economic projections.

>Yeah, well, all the leading indicators were wrong: the New Hampshire primary,
>the Bears, the bellwether counties.  BTW, I challenge Frank at Brown or Jaded
>ubert or anyone else to find a post of mine since September indicating support
>for George Bush ...

      There you go again...changing the subject.  No one said you supported
      GHWB, only that your prediction was wrong.  And you fail to recognise
      your error:  wrong assumptions, flawed model.  You looked at the wrong
      indicators;  there was ample evidence to the contrary.

>Economists don't really make projections.  Some are better than others at
>drawing inferences from past experience in such a way as to make statements
>that look like projections.  The Clinton fans on the list had better hope I'm
>not good at making projections.

      An economist admits to pseudo-projections.  Write it down folks!

--stuff deleted--

>                                  Well, jobs are neither created nor destroyed
>they are only changed in form.

      So, then by your logic unemployment is a potential job?

-- other stuff deleted --

>This is just simple economics.  What connection it has with burnt
>crosses and white sheets escapes me.  Maybe jag-off can enlighten us.

      More like simpleton economics.

      Perhaps I just stutterr -- more likely explanation is that
      K-K-Karlson is now simply part of your 'persona'

>Steve Karlson

JAG
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