From: dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg)
Newsgroups: soc.women,alt.abortion.inequity,talk.abortion,alt.feminism,soc.men
Subject: Re: Was Clinton's victory America's message to the Anti-Choice?
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:54:37 GMT
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To: In article <BxGq5z.LLo@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott
W Roby) writes: 

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   >>With regards to a mandate, everything I've read and seen (mostly the 
   >>non-media C-SPAN) suggests the single most important issue of this 
   >>campaign was -- trickle-down-economics: keep it or lose it?
   >No.  It was "George Bush does/does not deserve reelection."  George Bush

   I don't think this was a character election even though Bush thought it 
   was.  Almost everyone I know and everyone I heard on C-SPAN thought the 
   economy was the crucial issue in this election.  

   >was NOT Reagan.  He made deals with the Demos.  

   Mostly he made vetoes.

Yes but he agreed on a huge tax increase.  This is why most people
would say Bush is NOT a believer in trickle-down economics.  Bush
didn't believe in anything...

   >He didn't take action when
   >people thought he should.  Many Republicans hated him.  I voted against him
   >because he didn't deserve reelection.  Nor did I vote for Clinton.

   So you voted against trickle-down economics, since Bush was the ONLY one 
   still supporting this tired idea. 

What about Andre Marrou.  No chance of winning, but a good protest
vote. 

   >As it turns out, 60%+ felt that Bush should NOT be reelected, but only 43%
   >felt that Clinton should be.

   So you are saying the only candidate supporting trickle-down economics 
   has a clear mandate to get out of office.  Sounds like a clear vote 
   against trickle-down to me.

   I never said the mandate was in FAVOR of Clinton's economic plans.  I said 
   the mandate was to GET RID of trickle-down economics.  I still think so.

I think it was to get rid of someone who would decide his posistion by
checking the polls...

            (more stuff deleted)          

   I think the 80's Republican rhetoric simply fails without the charisma 
   of Reagan to back it up.  Examples:

   Let's cut taxes, raise defense spending and in the process, balance
   the budget. 
   (yeah, right.)
   If we ignore minorities, the environment, and the homeless, then these 
   problems will go away.
   (yeah, right.)
   Let's unregulate businesses like airplanes and S&L's, that will be good 
   for everybody.
   (yeah, right.)
   Let's give tax breaks to the rich and hope they will then invest it in 
   business growth IN AMERICA (more jobs).  
   (yeah, right.)
   *Let's talk about school prayer and pretend we're doing something about it.
   *(yeah, right.)
   *Let's say we're pro-life, but confess we're pro-choice where our daughters 
   *are concerned.
   *(yeah, right.)
   Let's offer $1000 school vouchers, which the rich can use as a discount 
   off their prep school tuitions and the poor will just give back to the 
   public schools, not being able to afford the remainder of private tuition 
   (another [hidden] tax break for the rich).
   (yeah, right.)
   *Let's wrap ourselves in the flag (America! No. 1!) and support petty 
   *dictators to stabilize Panama and Iraq.
   *(yeah, right.)
   *Let's buy off terrorists with arms and then lie to our constituents 
   *about it. (I don't remember, I was out of the loop)
   *(yeah, right.)

What do any of the things I have marked with stars have to do with
economics.  How is trickle-down economics invalidated as a theory
because of the arms for hostages deal?  It's completely unrelated.

I also particularly like your method of argument.  Proof by saying
"(yeah, right)".  I wonder if me real analysis prof. will let me get
away with that...

-David "ZZYZX" Steinberg- King of the ellipses
       (dsteinbe@emmy.nmsu.edu)
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