HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Subject: Re: extro.ucc.su.oz.au and problem users
Organization: Bush in 92 ? NOT!
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:23:00 GMT

I caught a real ration of sh*t from an extro user yesterday evening.
"She" joined the channel.  I immediately /kick'd her and +b'd everyone
from that host.  I then explained for the benefit of others on the channel
why I did it.  There was agreement that I did the right thing.

I got a series of /msgs asking why, whining and complaining, etc.  I
explained that since people from extro were causing grief on our channel,
and that since they were using a client that masked the true user name, 
that I couldn't tell whether she was who she said she was, or not.
I also explained that someone using 'becky' as their userid at extro
was given chan-op status on our channel recently, and "she" de-opped
everyone.

She asked me to take the ban off, I said that if someone else could vouch
for her they could.  She said "you've poisoned my reputation already, so
if you don't do it they won't" or the like.  I said I wouldn't reverse
my decision, and she went off on an "it's not fair, you're mean, you
@$$hole" tirade, at which point I /ignore'd her.

And I will continue to act like this until "she" or others at her site
get control of things there.  When there are more than a few users from
a given host (extro, verdix.com, nova.gmi.edu, etc) that cause grief
to me, I've got no problems barring an entire host, and there are other
regulars on the channels I hang out that feel likewise.
--
Doug Sewell, Tech Support, Computer Center, Youngstown State University
doug@cc.ysu.edu	   doug@ysub.bitnet	<internet>!cc.ysu.edu!doug
"Recession: your friend loses his job.  Depression: you lose your job.
Recovery: Bush loses his job" - Bill Davidsen
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: cklin@csie.nctu.edu.tw (Little Devil)
Subject: I don't understand!!
Organization: Computer Science & Information Engin., Chiao-Tung U, Taiwan, ROC
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:34:54 GMT

Hello...
	I don't understand why this happen in IRC?
	Why are there many who just 'login' some channels, stay there 
while not talking to other else. Well... they are not operators.... or
whatever else... what are they trying to do? 
	Sleep there?.... What a shame....
	Can someone explain this to me?
	Thanx in Advance...
						Frustrating Devil.
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: irc@ariel.yorku.ca (IRC Administration)
Subject: Re: #Twilight_z0ne?
Originator: irc@t05.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:30:21 GMT


In article <1992Oct4.172000.24152%yo@math.nthu.edu.tw>, yo@math.nthu.edu.tw (The Yo .) writes:
>>  Gee, d00dez, I've got some suggestion..
>> HOw about to rename #tWiLiGhT_zOnE to #lAMeRviLlE huh?
>> Imagine ,you are doing /whois tRiLlIaN
>> and it says:
>> 311 Trillian is hrose@rocza.eff.org (how music changes through the years)
>> 319 on channels: @#CoHH @#lAMeRviLlE 
>> 312 on irc via server eff.org ([192.88.144.3] Electronic Frontier Foundation,
>> >Cam)
>> 313 Trillian has a connection to the lamerville (is an IRC operator)
>> 
>> Pretty cool,eh?
>> 
>> 
>> the y0 ...

Is it just me or is there a really weird disease out there which is prevalent
on those `E1i+E' channels of which one symptom is being unable to post a 
message without fondling one's cap's lock key repeatedly...
As well, you mentioned `some' suggestion, where are the other suggestions or is your ability to count been effected by this same disease which causes your
upper/lower case dysfunction...
Here's hoping you find a cure!

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From: bh725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Werner J. Karl)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: IRC Servers in Germany ?? IP Number(s) wanted!
Date: 2 Oct 1992 16:12:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Does anyone out there know one ? I want to install my own client
and it would be pretty much faster form here (Germany) if I had
an IP # of a near Server .. instead of telnetting to US
Thanx previously .. werner
From: lcm1501@hertz.njit.edu (Lawrence C. Mc Abee)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Offensive language. *warning*
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:33:50 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


	ATTENTION: This is a flame. Hit n now if you don't care about it.


In article <3329@carroll1.cc.edu> dprust@carroll1.cc.edu (Dan Prust) writes:
>[... lots of stuff about swearing and people's rights and stuff deleted ...]
>
>This group is fun.  Its a little experiment in societies values that cannot
>be ignored.  listen, guys, ever hear of political correctness?
>
>			 MEN ARE SUPERIOR TO WOMEN!
>				RAP SUCKS!
>			      VOTE REPUBLICAN!
>			BLACKS ARE INFERIOR TO WHITES!
>
>Can we say these things in America?  Really guys?  We are as censored, if
>not more so than other countries.  The freedoms of Americans are being
>slowly eroded every day.  We are to think as the media thinks because our
>government is keeping us ignorant, for we might actually SAY something if
>we were educated.

	Yes we CAN say these things. Only idiots like you would want to.

>MEN ARE SUPERIOR TO WOMEN => Women's rights groups and liberated women will
>			     basically crush you.  (It takes more than one,
>			     but it can be done.)
>
	Guess this is why you have no dates :)

>RAP SUCKS		  => Ever have a knife in your back?

	No. Have you EVER had a brain in your head ?
>
>VOTE REPUBLICAN!	  => (If you ignore the warped messages from TV)
>
	Of course. This level of stupidity is only possible from a Republican.

>BLACKS ARE INFERIOR TO WHITES => Ever get your head blown off?

	Well, I can tell your from Wisconsin. Say that in Newark, I dare you.

>
>I have opinions about all of these, and am waiting impatiently for all of your
>flames from the mindless community out there of Americans who only think what
>the media tells them, and refuse to form any opinions of there own.

	Some of us do have minds. BUT, some of us also are polite enough not
 to insult whole segments of the population for fun.


>Chew on this post for a while, foreigners.  I may just move in.

	Please, move in to Newark. I would give you about 2 minutes before 
 you were shot.

>---------- -------- -------- ------- ------ ----- --- -- -  -   -    -     -
>Daniel Allen Prust		dprust@carroll1.cc.edu



-- 
         "When you have eliminated the possible, whatever remains, 
         however improbable, must be the TRUTH !" Sherlock Holmes.
	 (The opinions expressed herein are mine, and not NJITs)
From: gwydion@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Mercenary Programmer)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Party in Boston to honour WiZ's visit.
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:50:25 GMT
Organization: Free Software Foundation
Originator: gwydion@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu

WiZ will be passing through Boston this weekend.  To honour his passage
there will be a party at 7PM on Saturday night.  Directions follow.
Please RSVP.

And for those of you lusers who do not know who WiZ is: he founded IRC.

Gwydion.

++++++
DIRECTIONS:
	By car: Get to COMMONWEALTH AVE. This is left as an excercise for
the reader. Go up COMMONWEALTH AVE. (towards Boston College) to CHESTNUT
HILL AVE. Turn Right onto CHESTNUT HILL AVE. (If you are coming from
Newton, you will turn Left onto C.H.A.) Continue on C.H.A around a slight
bend to the right, and begin to look at street signs on your Left. Turn
Left onto CHISWICK or EMBASSY. Go one block (thats as far as you CAN go),
turn Right (onto an extension of Chiswick) and look for HATHERLY on your
Right. At this point you will have no choice but to turn Right again. We
are 7 houses up in a brick house that looks like every other brick house on
the street. 18 HATHERLY RD. FIRST FLOOR (the door on your right as you're
facing the house). There is adequate on-street parking and no permit is
required.

	By T: Take the GREEN LINE up COMMONWEALTH AVE towards Boston
College. Get off as close as you can to CHISWICK (on your right). Walk
down CHISWICK (about 2 blocks) to CHESTNUT HILL AVE.  Turn Right and
walk towards the stoplight by the fire station.  When you cross the
street at the stoplight, you will be on the corner of HATHERLY and
C.H.A.  We are 5 houses down on your Left in the brick house that
looks like all the other brick houses. 18 HATHERLY RD. FIRST FLOOR
(the door on your right as you face the house).
	Should you miss CHISWICK, just about any street on your right
should do, but the farther you are from there, the longer a walk you will
have. If you stay on the T until Chestnut Hill Ave, I've been told there is
a bus that will take you almost exactly to Hatherly. It is also a rather
long, but not unreasonable walk in a decent area of town. I think the best
bet is not to miss Chiswick! If you do, walk, or verify directions with the
bus driver.

	If all else fails, call. 617 562-0777




Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: mrgreen@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (matthew green)
Subject: Re: Offensive language. *warning*
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 06:59:58 GMT

How about you take the differences between US and Canadian laws elsewhere?

This is alt.irc, if you forgot.

Matt.. (nope, don't even feel like da phonnah today)
From: dprust@carroll1.cc.edu (Dan Prust)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Offensive language. *warning*
Date: 27 Sep 92 20:24:23 GMT
Organization: Carroll College-Waukesha, WI

[... lots of stuff about swearing and people's rights and stuff deleted ...]

This group is fun.  Its a little experiment in societies values that cannot
be ignored.  listen, guys, ever hear of political correctness?

			 MEN ARE SUPERIOR TO WOMEN!
				RAP SUCKS!
			      VOTE REPUBLICAN!
			BLACKS ARE INFERIOR TO WHITES!

Can we say these things in America?  Really guys?  We are as censored, if
not more so than other countries.  The freedoms of Americans are being
slowly eroded every day.  We are to think as the media thinks because our
government is keeping us ignorant, for we might actually SAY something if
we were educated.

MEN ARE SUPERIOR TO WOMEN => Women's rights groups and liberated women will
			     basically crush you.  (It takes more than one,
			     but it can be done.)

RAP SUCKS		  => Ever have a knife in your back?

VOTE REPUBLICAN!	  => (If you ignore the warped messages from TV)

BLACKS ARE INFERIOR TO WHITES => Ever get your head blown off?

I have opinions about all of these, and am waiting impatiently for all of your
flames from the mindless community out there of Americans who only think what
the media tells them, and refuse to form any opinions of there own.

Chew on this post for a while, foreigners.  I may just move in.

---------- -------- -------- ------- ------ ----- --- -- -  -   -    -     -
Daniel Allen Prust		dprust@carroll1.cc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: tsh@lesti.hut.fi (Timo Hyv|nen)
Subject: Re: Offensive language. *warning*
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 25 Sep 92 06:18:42 GMT

In <1992Sep23.114721.6829@newshost.anu.edu.au> andreww@win3 (Andrew Watts) writes:

>Yeah, the laws in Australia on swearing in public are also pretty strick,

Really? Law of swearing in public??

Wow..tell me more...this is even better than Finnish politics :D


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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: frechett@spot.Colorado.EDU (-=Runaway Daemon=-)
Subject: Re: more hacks (logged)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 03:33:02 GMT

In article <80466@ut-emx.uucp> rodder@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jon D. Rodder) writes:
>In article <Bv5At4.MxJ@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
>In my observations, the source of hack messages is deeper than a disagreement
>over who has chanop status on a channel.  It is usually caused by a server(s)
>not even knowing that the "hacker" is on the channel at all.  

Actually MOST of the Hack messages are generated by people still on the
channel but that is neither here nor there.  The situation you are 
talking about occurs when two people kick each other at the same time.
Just like the mode -o the two kicks pass each other somewhere in between
and half the net thinks one person has been kicked off.. and half the net
thinks the other person has been kicked off.  Both people think they 
are still on the channel.

And Gosh.. what generates MASSIVE QUANITIES OF USELESS KICKS?
Bots..

Anyway, to write a bot that will not ever cause a Hack notice there's 
simple formula.  Don't deop, don't kick.  It's that simple.

As for how to solve this problem in the long run, it's not that simple.
The only way to make channel modes totally consistent is to centralize 
the channel information.   Either a specific server or a specific person
would contain all the information about that channel.  Requests for 
mode changes would have to go through that centralized location.
It was so much simpler back when someone could change the mode when
they weren't chanop.. and weren't even on the channel.. jah know.. 

BTW, you may argue that you've JUST got to have bots that kick.  It's
not true.  Pressure you irc admins to upgrade their servers.. Make sure
ban works on all the servers.  In fact, in the long run mode +i is still
the most effective way to keep people off a channel and keep the roar 
down to a minimum.  I know this is all going in one eye and vaporizing 
at the event horizon like all ather good advice these days, so I'll
quit.

Nuff said. May this thread rest in /dev/null.

	ian
From: bis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Bis)
Subject: Is there a 2.7-compatible DOS client?
Organization: Bis Information Services
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 07:28:12 GMT

I've been looking for a DOS client for a while, and it seems that
everything around is obsolete.  Does anybody know if there's a
2.7-compatible DOS client?  Does anybody know where I can get one?
Please answer by e-mail.  Thanks.

Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: Upholder@uiuc.edu (THE Upholder of Truth)
Subject: Re: Offensive language. *warning*
Reply-To: Upholder@uiuc.edu (THE Upholder of Truth)
Organization: The University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 21:17:44 GMT


andreww@win3 (Andrew Watts) writes:
>Yeah, the laws in Australia on swearing in public are also pretty strick

So, you're saying that it's against the law to swear in public in AU.

Great... but (as you and some others have been so fond of pointing out),
IRC doesn't exist in only one country.  It cannot be governed by one set
of laws.

The main problem here is that while in AU, swearing is against the law,
here in the US, forcably preventing someone from swearing is against the 
law... we classify that as censorship.

A possible soulution is for you to set you a server that won't pass
channel messages, topics, or other 'public' information that contains
'swear words' to AU hosts... this would satisfy both laws...
(but have fun coding it, getting the links set up, finding enough CPU
time to run it on a non-dedicated machine, etc)

IMHO, if two laws are contraditory (sp?), the *LEAST* restrictive version
of that law should apply.. (if any national laws apply at all... it might
be better to assume that IRC is a 'international' entity and would therefore
only be under the jurisdiction of international law)

PS - I would have mailed this but your From: header is malformed.
-- 
Upholder@uiuc.edu (ASCII mail)               THIS IS _NOT_ CCSO'S OPINION!!!
jar42733@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu (NeXT mail)      If It were, It would've had a
anonymus+211@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu (anon)   more important name on it. =)

Newsgroups: alt.irc,alt.best.of.internet,alt.stupid.putz,alt.newbie
From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: Re: This is just stupid...
Organization: -=[ Curtin University of Technology ]=-  Perth, Australia
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 09:45:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.214040@IASTATE.EDU>, macster@IASTATE.EDU (Michael C Mccarty) writes:
> I just started my subscription to this channel today.  When I subscribed to
> this channel, I was hoping to read interesting posts about bots and irc
> problems and discoveries.   Well, to put it mildly, I am extremely
> disappointed....

Well diddums.  As they say, you can't please all the fools... Oh, sorry!  A
mixed metaphor!

> At most 5% of the 100 or so posts I read had anything at all to do with IRC. 
> The rest were flames back and forth about such irrelevent subjects as vulgar
> language and freedom of speech.  

They are relevant enough to be posted, oh net.cop.wannabe

Are you going to don your spastic, errr, plastic policepersons outfit?

> Look people, if these subjects are really the only things you have any concern
> for, go to the appropriate newsgroup for these subjects.  Even better, to save
> those groups from your mindless banter as well, use e-mail!!!  Do not annoy
> everyone else reading these groups with your innane comments and insults.  You
> are not making this group worth reading.

How do you know that these so called "waste of time" postings are annoying 
others, given your very "newbie" status, oh net.guru.wannabe.next.millenium

> In a nutshell, if you don't have anything interesting to say, don't say it!

You didn't have anything to say, therefore you shouldn't have.  Nyah!

> Well, now that I've gotten my hypocritical lecture out of the way :), lets get
> on with the REAL posts...

Maybe you're just a hypocrite.  That's all!

> Go ahead... Flame me... Make my day... ;^)

I did, and I'm using you to toast marshmallows.

Rod
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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: amf@hp825.bih.no (Anne Marit Fjeldstad)
Subject: Re: This is a test (of several things actually)
Organization: Bergen College of Engineering, Bergen, Norway.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 21:35:07 GMT

In article <Buvu37.8E8@cs.dal.ca> franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) writes:
>(sorry if anyone gets this twice, but my newsposting is going funky)
>This is a test of my newsposter, posting gifs, and your "n" key abilities.

[... 1072 lines deleted ...]

Woooow   !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

YES ... STEVE for president... !!!!!!
	(what a good looking president..:-)

	Come to Norway and i will date you.. :-)  !!

\Anne Marit


-- 
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Anne Marit Fjeldstad                                            amf@hp825.bih.no

Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: bis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Bis)
Subject: Re: We =HAVE= a FAQ (was: Re: WE NEED A FAQ!!)
Organization: Bis Information Services
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:50:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.204225.23983@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> "Olaf Titz" <UKNF@DKAUNI2.BITNET> writes:
>
>> There is already a FAQ..
>> It can be found on
>> cs.bu.edu
>> in /irc/support/alt-irc-faq
>>
>> Probably a few other places too.
>>
>and gets it posted here too?
>> Get your 'faq's straight before you post...
>
>Sure there is... and it has it made up to this site ONCE during
>the last 3 or 4 months...
>
>I don't know if it gets not posted regularly or if there is some
>other problem with the posting of it, but IMHO it is necessary
>to distribute it more regularly as there are many new users around
>all the time...

Well, I came here looking for an FAQ, and I got my answer.  All you
need to do is get it from cs.bu.edu by ftp.  What if you can't ftp?
Well, then you're screwed, because it sure as hell doesn't get posted
here.  You want it?  Here it comes...

Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: shadow@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Matt Mosley)
Subject: Re: more hacks (logged)
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:44:56 GMT

>   I assume the *** Hack notice was created for people hacking ops on 2.6
>   servers ... isn't this purpose just a little out of date ?

Why not just remove the hack notices from the code totally? Do they serve
any real purpose?

-- 
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 *  Flames will be politely ignored.
From: a8jb@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (G. Youssef EE)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Offensive language. *warning*
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:31:16 GMT
Organization: University of New Brunswick

In article <BvAuCD.K24@news.cso.uiuc.edu> StarOwl@uiuc.edu writes:

>At least free speech is more in existence in the U.S. than it is in, say,
>Canada....

Pardon me?  What makes you say this statement?  How about some examples
to back this up?

It's so *lax* here as far as "free speech" that I cannot even think of 
a case where the above statement would hold true.

Wizard
From: asamonte@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: I don't understand!!
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:07:49 GMT
Organization: Nothing worth mentioning...

cklin@csie.nctu.edu.tw (Little Devil) was telling me...
>Hello...
>	I don't understand why this happen in IRC?
>	Why are there many who just 'login' some channels, stay there 
>while not talking to other else. Well... they are not operators.... or
>whatever else... what are they trying to do? 
>	Sleep there?.... What a shame....
>	Can someone explain this to me?
>	Thanx in Advance...

Well some of those 'users' are just robots.  They don't really do anything
but sit there anyways.  But some people are /away.  Doing something
else...who knows?  Feeding the cat, etc...Some people stay logged in so that
they can log messages, Or just keep up on general irc happenings while
they aren't there.

-Alex
From: fsquared@eff.org (Fawn Fitter)
Subject: Re: is anyone using IRC for anything useful?
Originator: fsquared@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:44:58 GMT

Well, I use IRC to stay in touch with my sister, who I otherwise would not
be able to afford to talk to.  We both have more or less free Net access,
which is *much* more financially feasible than blowing $7+/hour -- at night
rates -- on phone bills.

I also use it to get in touch with my technoweenie friends who tie up their
phones for hours on end by logging in....
Newsgroups: alt.irc