HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kozlowsk@acs.ucalgary.ca (Don M. Kozlowski)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup creation guidelines
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 16:37:35 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1993Jan05.202803.32210@watson.ibm.com> strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom) writes:
[...]
>Of these 22, only two (!) would have had to be split according
>to my proposed criteria.
>
>These were:
>  (1) news.admin-reorg, which simultaneously renamed
>  news.admin and news.sysadmin
>
>and, of course
>
>  (2) rec.music.makers-newgr, which as everyone knows by now,
>  simultaneously renamed alt.guitar* and rec.music.synth.
>
>That's one in eleven.
>

My problem with this proposed criteria is that I found it much
easier to understand the impact of both these votes *because*
all the affected groups were on a single ballot. The only thing
wrong with the music makers vote was one malcontent. 

Among all the complaints posted over and over again, I didn't
see anything that I felt was a problem. If someone doesn't
understand the significance of a vote, then I really don't care
what their opinion is. This is not a democracy. If they don't
understand how things work they can ask, or read the
documentation. I only wish there was some way to force people to
pass a quiz on usenet knowledge before being allowed to post.
-- 
Don Kozlowski	                 	Phone: (403) 220-5156
Academic Computing Services		Fax:   (403) 282-9199
The University of Calgary
From: trsnyder@mcs.drexel.edu (Bob Snyder)
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: contacting anatolia.mn.org
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:23:22 GMT
	<JAAPJL.93Jan5162059@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov>
	<TRSNYDER.93Jan6143825@vf0031.mcs.drexel.edu> <821@ulogic.UUCP>
Organization: ASCI

In article <821@ulogic.UUCP> hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman) writes:

   In article <TRSNYDER.93Jan6143825@vf0031.mcs.drexel.edu> trsnyder@mcs.drexel.edu (Bob Snyder) writes:
   >This seems unacceptable for me personally, when you could drop an unknown
   >number of articles, and a kill file (and a smart control system for becker)
   >will do just as well.

   One difference, Bob.  A kill file will prevent you from seeing the articles,
   cutting anatolia out of the feed will prevent you from wasting time on
   the phone downloading them (assuming you have a UUCP feed).

Right.  I realize this.  But is the volume enough to make it worthwhile to
cut the articles using this method?  I freely admit I haven't checked the
volume, but I would suspect that the amount posted is trivial when compared
with a moderate sized news feed.  Especially if your system can use one file
for all the postings, as UNIX generally can.

I could see using it if all you got were the "afflicted" groups, or a small
set including them.  But for a mid-normal sized feed, I'm not sure it'd be
worth it.

(And to the other person who posted that adding the lines to your sys file
would only check the message id:  Are you sure?  I seem to recall C-news and
INN scanning the path header.  I'm an ex-news admin, and don't have sources
to either handy, or I'd check. :-)

Bob
Xref: sparky news.admin.policy:1064 news.admin.misc:987
From: dpassage@soda.berkeley.edu (David G. Paschich)
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Babak Sehari postings -- iastate.edu is dealing
Date: 6 Jan 1993 08:22:58 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <3F2XwB5w165w@status.gen.nz> jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes:
>skunz@iastate.edu (Steven L Kunz) writes:
>
>> I promise you all it IS being handled.  He started an automatic posting
>> process for what was probably every newsgroup on the net.  He started it
>> from multiple machines and let it run.  The "postmaster" here had at least
>> 50 email messages off the net regarding this, I (as news admin) had at least
>> that many (and they are still coming in).  What a waste of a lot of people's
>> time a resources ...  
>> 
> 
> Thanks for the note. What indeed is being done to Mr Babak Sehari ?
> I trust he is being suitably dealt with?

I would think that the information about what happens to Mr. Sehari
would come under federal student privacy laws, and therefore not be
appropriate for distribution on Usenet.


-- 
David G. Paschich	Comp Sci Undergrad Association		UC Berkeley
dpassage@soda.berkeley.edu			  dpassage@ana-ng.chaos.org
"We will create a new political climate where the system does not
attract ego-driven, power-hungry people." -- Ross Perot
From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley)
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: Newsgroup creation guidelines
Date: 5 Jan 1993 00:11:18 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, College of Oceanography
NNTP-Posting-Host: skyking.oce.orst.edu

In article <1993Jan04.213001.63448@watson.ibm.com> strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom) writes:
>I don't think multiple ballots are any more difficult for the
>vote taker.  Many vote takers count ballots by automated software,
>and therefore in that case the vote taker's work is O(1).

Examining the vote results for duplicates is not an easy job. Requiring
two separate votes for two similar proposals will double the effort
required to eliminate dupes. That makes it more difficult.

Requiring two separate ballots for two similar votes will double the
amount of mail that needs to be handled, in both quantity and volume. If
the vote taker is archiving votes and not just tallying results, then
that doubles the amount of material to be archived. While this is not
physically harder for the vote taker, it is more of a hardship on the
system being used to tally the votes. 

>While occasionally it could work the other way, I think
>the benefits of (1) guaranteeing subject lines which are
>both clear and short and (2) avoiding situations like
>the rms vote outweigh any deficiencies. 

If your proposals would do either of these, then they would be
valuable.  Your proposals will not guarantee clear and short subject
lines and will do absolutely nothing to avoid situations like the rms
vote.

Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
From: jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens)
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
Subject: Babak Sehari postings -- iastate.edu is dealing
Date: 5 Jan 1993 17:06:30 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pit-manager.mit.edu

The poster flooding the net with copies of the same message in every newsgroup
is being dealt with.  When I started seeing the messages, I sent mail to the
News administrator at his site asking for something to be done about it, and I
just got back this mail message (which I consider OK to post since it's a form
letter that was sent out to anyone who wrote to the news administrator of the
site about the problem):

-----

Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 10:33:06 -0600
From: skunz@news.iastate.edu (Steven L. Kunz)
To: jik@pit-manager.mit.edu
Subject: Babak Sehari postings

Network News User:

Regarding the "junk mail" type of postings that have originated from
news.iastate.edu from a user named "Babak Sehari" ...

Mr. Sehari has apparently automated his posting process and is posting his
article to a large selection of newsgroups (including ALL local and regional
ones) from a variety of systems on our campus.  This matter has been turned
over to the ISU Computation Center administrator in charge of handling
perceived abuse of computer or network facilities at Iowa State University.

Please forgive the "form letter" format of this reply.  I have received many
email complaints as Usenet News admin on this matter (as has our local
"postmaster" for this site).

---
Steven L. Kunz
Networked Applications | Usenet News Admin.
Iowa State University Computation Center, Iowa State University, Ames  IA
INET: skunz@iastate.edu     BITNET: gr.slk@isumvs.bitnet

-----

-- 
Jonathan Kamens                                         jik@MIT.Edu
Aktis, Inc.                                 Moderator, news.answers
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
From: strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup creation guidelines
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 23:54:05 GMT
Organization: IBM Research

In article <1993Jan04.213001.63448@watson.ibm.com>, strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom) writes:
|> In article <8310@lib.tmc.edu>, jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:

|> 
|> By the way, I am glad to see that you use the same quotation
|> prefix which I use (and which John Stanley objects to).  I'm not the only one.
|> 

Oops.  I read the wrong lines.  The above is wrong.

-- 
Rob Strom, strom@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7641
IBM Research, 30 Saw Mill River Road, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
From: dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon)
Subject: I've been using `eunet' distribution to mean `Europe'...
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:40:36 GMT

[I'm reposting this to n.a.p since a lot of the interested parties may
 not get eunet.misc.]

(See my posting in news.lists of Sunday morning.)  Is this right?

Christophe Wolfhugel <Christophe.Wolfhugel@grasp.insa-lyon.fr> points
out that strictly speaking `eunet' is an organisation, not a region.
So is there a distribution that really just means `Europe' without
overtones?  Should we invent one (`eu' perhaps)?  And perhaps a
matching hierarchy?

(And I include non-EC counties in `eu', so perhaps we should have `ec'
as well for issues just concerning EC countries.)

Please mail or post replies.  I'm happy to invent and carry an `eu.*'
or `ec.*' hierarchy to get it going, and share it with anyone over mail
or UUCP that wants to participate.

Damon
-- 
Damon Hart-Davis        London, UK        Internet: dhd@exnet.co.uk, d@hd.org

Public-access UNIX (Suns), news and mail for UK#5 per month.  FIRST MONTH FREE.
[1.36] Cheap Sun eqpt.  UUCP news/mail feeds.  Tel/Fax: +44 81 755 0077.
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy,news.announce.newsgroups,news.groups
From: dfp10@thor.albany.edu (D Parsons)
Subject: Need procedure for forming new news group
Originator: dfp10@thor.albany.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 12:55:55 GMT

 I moderate a BITNET group and wish to port it through an Internet gateway
to a new group sci.med.hspnet. My list is HSPNET-L@albnydh2.bitnet and
covers extended hospital consulting via computer networks. It has been 
operating for 3 years with 400 subscribers but does not reach many unix
users. This is a serious loss since some of the best hopsital WANS and 
LANS are unix based with X-window terminals.
  Please tell me the procedure for an unmoderated group aimed at healthcare
providers. Also about the availability of an Internet gateway and the 
relay software (I see that the berkeley gate way to sci.med is no longer
operating. Thanks, Don Parsons MD.
-- 

Donald F. Parsons MD, Wadsworth Ctr. Rm C273, NY State Dept of Health, ESP,
PO Box 509, Albany, NY 12201-0509. (518)474-7047 Fax: (518)474-7992
dfp10@uacsc2.albany.edu dfp10@albnydh2.bitnet Cis 71777,212
Newsgroups: news.admin,news.admin.misc
From: mahmood@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Rafique Mahmood)
Subject: Need help on stoping server for a week??
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:04:07 GMT

Our news server is going down since last few weeks. We are using Sun 4/260
for our news server, mail server, NIS server; which has 16M memory and
50M swap space.

Before it was going down couple of times a week, now it is going down 
almost every day (yesterday it went down twice). When I reboot the
system , since it was down for all night it works very hard. I can see
the LED and disk crunching constantly for many hour to catch up.

Then poor machine can't keep up and dies again. We did all the hardware
testing to find out is anything wrong. Everything seems OK. I want to stop
news server for few days and let every thing running. Just to find out 
is News is causing too much traffic
. 

I like to know how do I let all the feed server know about this. Do I 
send individual email to each server or something else I can do?


Xref: sparky news.admin:8802 news.future:896 news.groups:25165 news.misc:2103 news.software.readers:2708 news.sysadmin:1595
From: puma.uucp!john@becca.rain.com (John Meissen)
Newsgroups: news.admin,comp.mail.misc
Subject: Email access in Brussels
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:57:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: puma.C0Ju05.3Dq
Organization: Rosetta Technologies, Inc


I have an associate in Brussels with whom I need to stay in touch. I
am trying to locate a site in the local area that can provide a
dial-up login account for email and news.

I posted this question once before, and evidently it was assumed that
what I was looking for was a news and email feed.

I don't want a feed.

I would just like an account on a system that can be used to send/retrieve
email.

-- 
John Meissen                                  becca!puma!john
Rosetta Technologies, Inc.                    puma!john@becca.rain.com
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sometimes I worry about being a success in a mediocre world.-- Lily Tomlin
Xref: sparky news.admin:8806 news.groups:25296
From: noah@cad.gatech.edu (Noah White)
Newsgroups: news.admin,news.groups
Subject: Alt group listing. Where?
Date: 10 Jan 1993 16:40:37 -0500
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: cae.cad.gatech.edu
Keywords: I need one


   Hi. I am looking for a listing of all the alt. group heirachy. Is there
some place I can ftp one?


Noah White                                       Internet: noah@cad.gatech.edu
CAE/CAD Lab Staff & USENET Administrator
Georgia Institute of Technology
"Wheel in the sky keeps on turin. Oh I don't know where I'll be tomarrow."
-- 
Noah White                                       Internet: noah@cad.gatech.edu
CAE/CAD Lab Staff & USENET Administrator
Georgia Institute of Technology
"Wheel in the sky keeps on turin. Oh I don't know where I'll be tomarrow."
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Randall Atkinson)
Subject: Re: RFD: sci.crypt.research moderated
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, DC
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:58:05 GMT

  We need to settle on one or more proposed moderators for
sci.crypt.research prior to a formal Call for Votes.

  I know of at least two good volunteers.  Perhaps they could
co-moderate or one could be a substitute for occasions whent the
primary moderator is out of town or otherwise busy....

Ran
atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.food.cooking
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.food.breadmachines
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 19:52:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.121351.16987@lloyd.Camex.COM> chrisi@lloyd.Camex.COM (Chris Ischay) writes:
>In article <1993Jan9.025545.18936@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu
>(Joel Furr) writes:
>
>
>>This group concept does not lack for things that will be discussed.  What it
>>*does* lack is a formal RFD that will start the process going.  Until
>>this appears, you might as well go out and stand on the street telling
>>strangers that you want a USENET group to discuss breadmachines in. 
>
>Your point already seems to have been taken.  I'd like to mention that, in
>another newsgroup I read avidly, the question of splitting came up.  It
>never went beyond an informal discussion *within the newsgroup itself.*
>Had the "official" policy been followed, some proposed splinter group might
>have passed.  A lot of people who read their favorite newsgroups don't
>participate in the news.* discussions as they would inside their newsgroups
>of interest.  Informal discussion is worthwhile.  There really *is* a
>difference between informal discussion inside a newsgroup and strangers on
>the street.
>
>>You see, you all are trying to convince people why there should be a
>>group, and no one's really saying there shouldn't be a group.  So why
>>don't you just get with it?
>
>OK, but how come you're being so crabby about it?  I don't get it.
>You sound almost contemptuous.

I *am* contemptuous.  What part of my post did you not understand?  These
idiots show up in news.groups all the time.  They post a concept
informally, we tell them to go through the formal process of getting the
RFD posted to applicable newsgroups, they go on agreeing with each other
about what a keen idea their concept is, and eventually the threads die
out.  It's pathetic.  If you're going to waste news.groups' time by
"informally discussing" something without ever saying "yes, yes, I know,
I'm going to send in the formal RFD soon," then just don't bother.  It
gets old.
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: news.groups,misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: RFD: reorganization of misc.jobs and similar groups
Date: 13 Jan 1993 02:26:44 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

I'm all in favor of more jobs groups split across more specific
occupations, just like the classified ads in the newspapers.
We're working on a project to put network connections into
human resources departments, for people who will be looking mostly
at posting jobs and at reviewing resumes, and at places like 
hospitals and small manufacturing firms where computers and
computing per se are not the 1st thing people are looking for.

If I had to split right now I'd guess that
	m.j.o.computing		(programming, sysadmin, networking)
	m.j.o.healthcare	(nursing, med tech, research)
	m.j.o.education		(postdoc, faculty, teaching)
	m.j.o.engineering	(electrical, mechanical, civil)
	m.j.o.general		(day care, trucking, fast food, misc)

woudl be a fair mix.  Once you had "computing" and "general" split out
from the rest I suspect you'd be able to find other niches where 
recruiters and job services agencies could find positions to be
advertised.

This is going to be some work, but it's gotta be done.  Create a group,
describe what all kinds of positions can be found there, look for
people hiring in those fields, look for new graduates or people looking
for new positions, match them up.  

  Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
        Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 998 GLOB


Newsgroups: news.groups
From: rabin@CS.Yale.Edu (Dan Rabin)
Subject: comp.lang.ml -- yes
Reply-To: rabin-dan@cs.yale.edu
Organization: Computer Science, Yale University, New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:32:25 GMT

It's not time to vote yet, but I want to indicate strong support for
the creation of comp.lang.ml.  ML seems to be developing a strong
culture of implementors, users, and extenders.  I don't perceive much
overlap with comp.lang.functional, which has a bent toward lazy
functional languages and theoretical issues.  

  -- Dan Rabin (rabin-dan@cs.yale.edu)
From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: What ever happened to sci.semi-conductors?
Date: 4 Jan 1993 20:32:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu





A few weks ago there was talk of creating a sci.semi-conductors.
Did that group pass or fail?


Newsgroups: news.groups
From: liu@vision.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Liu)
Subject: Passing 2d matrix to functions
Organization: Queen's University, Kingston
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:23:14 GMT

I am trying to learn C++ and have a problem in passing a 2-d matrix to and 
from a function. Specifically, the problem is as follows:

main{
double a[2][2];
......
func(a);
}

void func(double b[][]){
......
}

When I tried to compile it, I got error message that the dimension of the matrix 
b is null. However, I did not have any problem in passing any 1-d array
using the same way. I am working on SUN stations in our department.

Would anyone help me solve this problem?
-- 
=============================================================================
John Liu 
Department of Electrical Engineering
Queen's University                       Phone:  (613)545-6693
Kingston, Ontario, Canada K7L 3N6        Email:  liu@sound.ee.queensu.ca
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: dbm@allegra.att.com (Dave MacQueen)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.lang.ml
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:43:47 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Followup-To: news.groups

I wish to strongly endorse the creation of comp.lang.ml, an
unmoderated group for discussion of ML and its various dialects
(chiefly Standard ML and CAML/CAML Light).  Here are some points
in favor of the group:

* ML (Standard ML in particular) has the most solid scientific
foundation of any modern programming language in wide use, and there
is an extremely active community of researchers investigating
its semantics, type theory, and various theoretical issues associated
with extensions or variants of ML.  It has been the dominant language
in the theoretical programming language community for most of the
last decade, as measured, for instance, by papers appearing in the
ACM Principles of Programming Languages (POPL) conference.  It was
one of the three major achievements for which Robin Milner was awarded
the 1992 Turing award.

* ML has several solid and efficient implementations, and has a large
and wide-spread user community.  It is becomming the implementation
language of choice in the applied logic and formal methods research
communities.  A number of major systems such as the theorem-proving
system HOL and the Concurrency Workbench are implemented in (Standard)
ML.  ML is the most "realistic" functional programming language and
is competative with C++, Ada, Modula 3, and Common Lisp for many
programming tasks.  It has excellent capabilities for large scale
software development because of its strong typing, sophisticated
parametric module system, exception handling, and automatic memory
management.

* ML is used at a large number of Universities (including leading
institutions like CMU, Stanford, Cornell, Penn, Univ. of Cambridge) to
teach programming, symbolic computing, semantics and applied logic,
introductory programming, and even operating systems.

Because of this combination of high intellectual and practical
importance, ML needs and deserves a newsgroup as a forum for
discussion and communication.




--
Dave MacQueen
macqueen@research.att.com
Room 2A-431, AT&T Bell Labs, 600 Mountain Ave, Murray Hill, NJ 07974
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: styri@hal.nta.no (Haakon Styri)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: soc.religion.biblestudy moderated
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:39:17 GMT
Reply-To: styri@nta.no
Organization: Bohemians and Globetrotters, Unlimited

In article <1993Jan7.222520.13631@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
writes:
> [...]
>
> The proposed group could be very interesting, but by moderating it it
> could very easily turn into a propaganda instrument to preach one
> particular view, while preventing dissenting views from being presented.

For a printed publications this reasoning holds, but this is Usenet.
If a group of posters are repeatedly rejected they would find ways to
make theirs views known and air protests to the moderator's policy.

And, a group may have several moderators. This should take care of the
problem as well, if you don't promote a conspiracy theory...

---
Haakon Styri
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.food.cooking