HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ez012344@chip.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu's Wants
Date: 26 Jan 93 05:09:47 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis
Originator: ez012344@chip.ucdavis.edu

In article <1993Jan23.013327.2063@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu 
writes:
>Fucking Bitches /// all we want to do is fuck them. Slip in the
>
>their professional or intellectual abilities - In no way
>do I want them restricted to carefully pre-defined roles. 

>If we want simple conversation - we can choose our fellow
>males. Their intrinsic femaleness in the only relevant 
>discriminating factor - given a uniform body of professionals.

>Small wonder that we want from them the one thing we cannot
>get from our fellows - hetero sexual experience. 

Want, want, want, want.

He probably also wants to know why he can't ever "pick up" "chicks".
Dan
From: dbt@cellar.org (Marquis de Freud)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Neediness
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:56:35 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

I think a lot of people here have a neurotic, desperate need for love. Not 
that *I* am immune -- I may hold some kind of local record for romantic 
suckerdom in the Greater Philadelphia Area.

At one certain point -- recently -- I "lost it". I stopped feeling so needy. 
I also began to be able to fight with women who were giving me grief. Not 
only fight, but hit (metaphorically) and make it hurt.

Wanna know what? I don't get walked on any more. I don't "need" women and do 
not subject myself to the abusive ones. And at one point, I thought that 
there were *only* abusive ones.

No, I haven't become a Legendary Babe Magnet, but I get along much better 
with women now, and people in general, and I no longer feel like a slime- 
mold for not being 50% of a couple. It's amazing what a little self- respect 
will do for ya.

BTW, it's important to note, that while this is from the point of view of a 
poor dweeby Nice Guy who Got Hurt Alot, and couldn't even get laid in Las 
Vegas with his pockets stuffed with $100 bills, the same (or similar) message 
seems to apply to women. Why do women date jerks who abuse them? Probably for 
much the same reason why Nice Guys suffer what we do. As soon as women 
victims stop taking shit from jerks, they start getting respect. 

The only down side seems to be that there is less sex, less drama and less 
gossip to talk about. But the ability to feel good every so often WITHOUT 
cuddling up or having an orgasm is quite a thrill in itself.

Well, enough of my pompous prolegomenations (ya like *that* one, does ya?). 
It's Friday, and I must mentally prepare myself to go out tonight and get 
emotionally abused. It's not so bad, really; I get to TALK BACK!

Your Pal, the Ever-Pedantic Marquis de Freud, Legendary Babe Magnet in 
Training.

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From: paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: logic confounding people unclear on the concept
Date: 21 Jan 1993 15:22:29 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: byron.u.washington.edu

In article <1993Jan20.200049.17654@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins) writes:
>In article <1jjsb2INN603@shelley.u.washington.edu> paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes) writes:
>>i write:
>>>>Unfortunately, I'm not good at angst.  Do you think I should become a man?
>>>>Do men have less angst than women?  I want as little angst as possible.
>>>
>>>then go away. or we'll suck you in, we'll make your life HELL!!!!
>>
>>I don't believe in Hell.  :)
>
>i believe in hell on earth. i've been there.

it's just a state of mind.
>
>>>men do not have less angst than women, they're just overrepresented here due
>>>to the nature of the medium, and its social implications.
>>
>>but I though women had that oppression thing.  You know, patriarchy and stuff.
>>If I was a man maybe I could focus better since I wouldn't have to worry about
>>being opressed and junk.  Agree?
>
>
>"that opression thing"? what the hell are you talking about, a yeast infection?

you know.  That feminism stuff.  Brownmiller and Steinem and Stein and Anthony
and so on.  It's like this theory where men control everything and so women
aren't really free they're just doing what men want.
>
>angst isn't just about repression. i don't think a person's sex has any impact
>on the amount of angst they have. it depends on each person individually.

Oh yeah I'm into that individualism thing, but I just thought that if I
became a man I could find out once and for all if there IS a difference, just
in case there is one.  Could we maybe take a vote or something?

-Hermes


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From: kkoller@nyx.cs.du.edu (Capt. Sarcastic)
Subject: Re: Politics of the Museum?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 07:50:21 GMT

chris@tali.hsc.colorado.edu (Chris Yoder) writes:

>In article <1993Jan24.003238.4998@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kkoller@nyx.cs.du.edu (Capt. Sarcastic) writes:
>>
>>Tis cool, but their politics SUCK. 

>	Why do you say that the politics of the Museum suck?  I din't think
>that the Museum was _specificly_ a political entity.

Well, they are taking an active role in trying to dismember Ammendment 2.
They are therefore political.  And that sucks.

No, I'm not a hatemonger, and I don't think gays should be eliminated.

But I do thik that things are a little weird when a museum decides it will
be active politically.


--
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kkoller@nyx.cs.du.edu|as the population of the countries dependent on the U.S.A.
From: chem8w@jane.uh.edu (Councilman, David A.)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: stuff
Date: 26 Jan 1993 12:33 CST
Organization: University of Houston
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In article <1k0thoINN5r8@shelley.u.washington.edu>, paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes) writes...
>In article <zlsiida.826@fs1.mcc.ac.uk> zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:
>>
>>Fear of death my ass.  He's been screwed over by his family and exSO and it 
>>hurts is all.  Just coz you read some psych texts doesn't mean everybody is 
>>gonna fit the syndromes you've read about.
> 
>Actualy, I don't read much. :(  not non-fiction, anyway.
>>
>>>he doesn't think it think it, but he thinks it so he can't hear what he's
>>>thinking, like that Freud stuff.  Anyway, the hole's just gonna get wider
>>
>>Freud was an almost total bozo.  Half his theories were developed to explain 
>>why women claimed to have been abused when obviously that just doesn't 
>>happen, except nowadays we know it does.
>>
>The world is full of bozos with interesting ideas.  
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>-Hermes
> 
Damn, that speaks to me...

Someone was keeping track of points, no?  "Can't we all get along?"

To the rest of the pro-Hermes (or Aphrodite or both) faction: =)
From: gosper@cs.tu-berlin.de (carsten)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: I Wish I Had No Family
Date: 26 Jan 1993 09:03:49 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: penny.cs.tu-berlin.de

tullfan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Richard Thompson) writes:

>Its so irrating wanting so badly to jump ship but to have a family you care
>about too much to do that to. They are the only reason I stay on this 
>miserable chunk of rock--its certainly not the joy of living that keeps me
>around! They've just gone through too much shit to put them through any more.

Dont't flame me for asking, but is there no way you could talk to a 
friend || parent ? I know, it sounds stupid... pretty much like the shitty
kind of advice you get from a teacher (yuck!)  - but, it might just work !
If you care so much about your family like you say you, do wouldn't it
be good to let them know that you're having a *real* bad time ?     
From my experience parents tend to have this unique ability to sense
problems && screwups  (especially when you've blown a test in school 
or wrecked mom's car...) - thing is, though, when they believe you're having
"personal" problems (please excuse the broad term...) they might not take the
initiative and clear things up as in the aforementioned cases (car, etc.)  

>Am I cheering you guys up yet?  Smile! 

Well, you're not helping, either ;-)


Got to go,
c.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   gosper@cs.tu-berlin.de		"I hate French - German sucks !"
From: llama@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: random friday night nastiness
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:30:22 GMT


 orf@ssec.wisc.edu (Leigh Orf) writes:

>Ferchrissakes, you are talking about high school sophomores & juniors here.
>Maybe they just haven't been numbed to the fact that casual sex is quite
>commonplace in this world. 

except that both of the people who were passing judgment on me are
sexually active and have been for a while; they've both had several
lovers. of course, if you asked they'd say they were "in love" with
everyone they've slept with. i'm just really weird about using the
word "love" at all. i've only said it to four men in my adult life.

>I don't see where the girls were trying to run sine's life. They were just
>being quite (tactlessly) open about their feelings, and lord knows that
>they will most probably have experiences in their own lives which will make
>them think twice about openly judging others as they grow up. If it bothers
>sine so much that they acted this way, maybe there is more to it than I can
>see here?

i've thought about the situation a lot since it happened, and i think
i was at fault for getting so angry simply because i had allowed diana
to set me up as a role model/older sister type and when she started
having expectations of me based on that role, i got pissed. it's
normal to have ideas about how people you look up to should behave. i
think that what i should have done (and still should do) is explain to
her that yeah, i know she's not going to approve of everything i do
but that i've got to live my life the way i need to, and that if we
have situations where what i'm doing makes no sense to her or makes
her angry, we should talk it out and i can try to help her understand.
the bottom line will still be that i'm going to live in the way i
choose, but maybe if i can help her understand why i make the
decisions i do, we can avoid this kind of fight in the future.

--
sine | deb
"and you wish it away, you're no wiser even now...
 they know that you're cut up, so put up or shut up" -- ned's atomic dustbin
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: bucknerb@bnr.ca (Brent Buckner)
Subject: Re: hermes, please pick up the white clue phone...
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ontario, Canada
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:44:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.055528.4845@ncsu.edu> jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu writes:
>:)  (token smiley -- what the hell, I only live once)
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I don't know which is preferable; that statement being
true, or it being false.

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Newsgroups: alt.angst,alt.slack,co.general
From: smorine@nyx.cs.du.edu (Suzanne Morine)
Subject: Re: Anywhere out of the world
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 20:48:46 GMT

pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek) writes:
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
kkoller@nyx.cs.du.edu (Capt. Sarcastic) writes:
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And don't forget to get a Nyx account...

                                  vvvvvvvvvvvvv
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--"It is wonderful how much time good people spend fighting the devil.  If
--they would only expend the same amount of energy loving their fellow men,
--the devil would die in his own tracks of ennui."     Helen Keller
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Re: Athens, GA, and National Lab Angst
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 15:56:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.033402.11509@utkux1.utk.edu> kovarik@UTKUX1.UTK.EDU (StMeechThePanatela) writes:
>Well, I just got back to Oak Ridge, TN, from a job interview at
>Athens, GA (Associate Research Scientist at UGA).  I post this here inspired
>by the National Lab Angst thread of a while back.  
>
>There is a possibility that I may be offered said job, and I
>am thus interested in checking out the environment there.  I am curious
>if there are any alt.angst readers who reside/have resided there who
>might be willing to comment on Athens' survivability.
>
>My first impressions.....
>Athens is moderately larger than Oak Ridge, population 50k versus 30k.
>The downtown of Athens does not appear to be very large, but it does seem
>to have a fair number of pubs, restaurants and clubs to go to.  Oak Ridge
>has no downtown.  Athens is only 70 miles or so from Atlanta (which
>I gather is a good place), and it takes (I'm told)  more than an hour
>to get to most places in Atlanta (and in fact it took me almost 1.5 hours
>to get from Athens to I-75 in Atlanta today). Oak Ridge is 20 miles or
>so from Knoxville.  Knoxville has a population of 200k or so, and in my
>observation nothing much happens there (apparently unlike Atlanta).
>
>So the first impression is that Athens seems like it might be a
>good place to hang around for a short time, but its distance from Atlanta
>makes it seem like in the long term I might get board of it, with
>insufficient contact with the outside world.  
>
>The big question is are there any readers of a.a. who might shed some
>light on the long term survivability of Athens, GA?  Any advice that will
>keep me from leaping from one frying pan into another would be much
>appreciated.
>
>						Meech


Athens is very "survivable".  Atlanta takes only an hour to get to.  Most
people don't see a need to go.  The restaurants and music scene in Athens
beat the hell out of the restaurant and music scene of many larger cities.
From: dchong@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Dennis Chong)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Anyone been shopping lately?
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:52:31 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences


This is what has been bugging me lately.  The other day some friends and I
went dowm to the local mall to do some quick shopping; we figured we
wanted some stuff.  (In total, there were two guys and two girls.)

A LARGE majority of the stores are already overstocked with Valentine's
Day supplies, from large crimson hearts to teddy bears with sappy "I Love
You" messages on them to chocolates (so you can watch your SO get fat) ad
nauseum.  I swear by the end of that little excursion I was very ready to
throw up.  What was worse, one of the girls I was with spent a LOT of time
agonizing over what to get her boyfriend (who lives in another state): 
"Hmmm... he doesn't like chocolates.  This bear's not cute enough.  This
card doesn't seem right...."

I really wanted to hurl big time.  I'm another one of those "nice guys"
I've been reading so much about lately on this group and well, I always
finish dead last.  One year I did try to send flowers to this girl on
Valentine's Day, and she totall dissed me afterward (immediately
afterward) and now I just don't even bother to make the effort anymore. 
(Accumulated problems of which the aforementioned incident was just the
straw that broke the camel's back.)

Well, that's about it for now.  You can betcha that on Feb. 14, I'll be
sitting at home actively avoiding any repulsive, PDA-ing couples anywhere
in public.

Thanks for letting me get this out.

.....dc
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: hjb@netcom.com (H. J. Bae)
Subject: Re: The nature of life?
Organization: Peaceful Star Project -- Oakland, CA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:32:29 GMT


i haven't been able to paint for some months now.  my book is in such
a sorry desperate state that mere thought of continuing with the whole
b.s. any longer causes such a profound sea of revulsion well up inside
me, i could puke my guts out.  the project at work i've been slaving
over for the past year has been cancelled, mothballed, and stamped as
the utter failure that it is.  and as i slowly realize that the reason
my wife agreed to the divorce was to have a relationship with another
woman, my fragile inner peace, obtained thru many cruel months of
introspection, yields to the pain -- not violent rage, but plain
sadness in reconginzing the truth -- we simply do not love each
other anymore. i drink too much.  my best friends are only found
packed tightly in a box of cigarette.  once again, as i sit here and
type these words, in this dark, in this cold converted cement factory
warehouse i call home, listening to the conversation echoing inside
the bucket of raindrops, falling from the cracked ceiling, i must also
decide whether i must quit my job -- to keep my sanity; trade in the
security of a bill-paying job.  why not, i do feel destructive enough
about everything in my life.  demolish the last stable aspect of this
existence -- complete the disintegration of order.  fuck life.  


love,
hwajin
From: James.Rogers@launchpad.unc.edu (James Edward Rogers)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: feminism (was re:something or other else)
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:21:48 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <zlsiida.857@fs1.mcc.ac.uk> zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:
>
>>Read Lysistrata( not quite sure of the spelling).
>
>>It shows how women can control men.... It was written in xxx B.C.
>
>Lemme guess, which sex was the author?
>
The author, in case anyone doesn't know, was Aristophanes, a male, naturally,
because women of ancient Athens didn't have citizenship.  Interestingly 
hypocritical, (like some people think of Bill Clinton  #:) )  That was not
really a smiley.  Anyway, the plot is this: correct me if I'm wrong, people.
Athens and Sparta are at war.  The women are sick of it.  So they refuse
to have sex with their husbands until they make peace.  Eventually the men
are so horny they make peace.
This is called PROGRESS?

					-James Rogers, a male
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From: dchong@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Dennis Chong)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: How depressing!
Date: 24 Jan 93 12:19:02 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences

Gee, this newsgroups is depressing, innit?  Since I subscribed, I've
found discussions on how much better it is to be dead and how God doesn't
exist.  

But for some reason I find it curiously inviting.  :-)

dc
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-)
Subject: Re: logic confounding people unclear on the concept
Organization: OFSA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:31:45 GMT

paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes) asks:


>Oh yeah I'm into that individualism thing, but I just thought that if I
>became a man I could find out once and for all if there IS a difference, just
>in case there is one.  Could we maybe take a vote or something?


Sure, you got MY vote! Welcome to Menkind...you'll find it just as
shitty as what you are used to. Amazing, huh?

Newsgroups: alt.angst,alt.slack,co.general
From: pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek)
Subject: Re: Anywhere out of the world
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 02:04:40 GMT

jrbd@craycos.com (James Davies) writes:

>But who cares about the Aztec's politics?  True, they were a bit
>repressive, but they've been out of power for 472 years now.

Good one.  Now, could someone please tell me what these "museum politics"
are that are supposed to be so reprehensible?  They do not use any human
remains in their exhibits, so I don't think its that.  Or is someone
complaining about the use of real animal skins in the displays?
From: llama@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: incredibly stupid shy people
Date: 28 Jan 93 05:45:30 GMT


i am so goddamned fucking stupid.

okay, if someone's just a friend and it's a no-pressure situation, i
can babble on merrily for hours (like when i ran into my coworker o.g.
on the bus last week and we talked for the whole trip and it was cool)
without feeling self-conscious or stupid and it's fun, lots of fun.

i can converse with ease with total strangers at a bus stop and be
witty, charming, and funny. sometimes they even ask for my phone
number.

but if i stop at a 7-11 on the way to work to buy some cough drops and
run into a guy from work i've been wanting to get to know for a while
and he waves and says hi, i totally freeze, mumble something
incoherent, and suddenly get fascinated by the book in my hand. and he
ends up kinda limply waving again, like he's not sure what to do, and
goes off to put gas in his car while i pay for my stuff and escape as
quickly as possible.

of course, if it weren't for the fact that every time i run into him
at work i immediately shut down, mumble something incoherent, then
ignore him entirely and bury myself in a book, he might not wonder if
i'm a total flake.

of course, i know what's behind it. i'm convinced that any guy, if he
thought for an instant that i might be interested in getting to know
him, would run screaming from the room in horror. so if i want to give
myself a chance with this guy, it's essential that he think i'm
utterly uninterested in him. god, so twistedly stupid.

--
sine | deb
maybe i should just run away to guam and join a convent.
From: eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com (Erik Radmall)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: anyone need a harem?
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:02:50 GMT
Reply-To: eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation

In article 1js5auINNevr@savoy.cc.williams.edu, 96rpg@williams.edu (the Straw Dogs) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.152330.15940@spectrum.xerox.com> eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com writes:
>
>>The same thing has been happening to me lately, although I am "available."
>>As soon as I stopped giving a crap about finding someone nice, it seems
>>that lately I've had more than I can handle. Now, I don't even care anymore if
>>I meet someone or not. Mind you, these are all women that were "unavailable"
>>when I met them, but I planted some seeds anyway. I didn't think that
>>the harvest moon came out in January. Oh well.
>
>this thread is becoming scarily eastern...
>"those who contrive spoil it; those who cling lose it" (tao te ching 64)

It's funny, but it's the Tao Te Ching that inspired my don't care attitude.
I'm just learning how to immerse myself in my anxieties and enjoy them
for what they are. I've been thinking in a really Eastern vein for a
while now, but it's caused a new host of anxieties that I have yet to
deal with. Just more fodder for the angst mill...

>
>hey... maybe if we stopped being so concerned with our angst it'll go
>away? it seems so if we follow the same logic... but then again who
>says anything like this has to follow logic?
>
>>ObAngst: I'm no longer attracted to any of these women, and I don't know
>>why I was then.
>
>imho, cos you didn't know them? perhaps...
>
>----
>straw dog

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