HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: olson@mydual.uucp (Kirtland H. Olson)
Subject: Re: Creating an FAQ
Reply-To: olson%mydual.uucp@alliant.com
Organization: The Harvard Group, 01451-0667
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:26:02 GMT

In article <hadgraft.197.713400585@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au> hadgraft@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (Roger Hadgraft, Civil staff, ext 4983) writes:
>In article <1992Aug6.123254.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> dhirmes@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>
>>I might be willing to help organize/put together an FAQ for this newgroup.
>>Would would people like to see in it, i.e.:
>>        Bibliography
>>        FTP sites for various platforms
>>        Basic definitions/general concepts ?
>
>ANd it would be nice to make it available as a hypertext! Now we need some 
>type of generic format that can be easily translated into the multitude of 
>formats available on many platforms.

Making the FAQ "hypertextable" sounds great; distributing it as
hypertext sounds like it would keep many people from accessing it.  

Many people run unsupported machines with old OS's and small hard drives so
they cannot practically update their software without substantial effort. 
At this site, for example, the unix machines available are:

DUAL 83/80, UNIX PC (3b1), and possibly an XT running Venix (sys III).


Only the 3b1 has news compiled for it, the DUAL might get news if I get
time to work on it.  I have the largest hard disk I could get on the
3b1, but that's only 50 meg because of space and cash constraints.  Any
more and I have to do hardware mods.  

Also, ftp and telnet capabilities are not always available.  That means
some kinds of hypertexts and all ftp distributions are just unavailable.

Let's try to keep these people included in the discussions about
hypertext, especially the FAQ.  That probably means having an ASCII
equivalent of a hypertext FAQ, or breaking the FAQ into many ASCII files
that can be put into a local hypertext engine (not necessarily on the
same machine or even the same OS).  

BTW, if anyone has information about universal formats, software to
translate among formats, or equivalent info on graphics, I would like to
hear about them and include them in my list of hypertext-related stuff.


-- 
Kirtland H. Olson                     olson%mydual.uucp@alliant.com
From: elim@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Subject: XCMD for Serial Communication
Date: 13 Aug 92 10:04:40 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

I am looking for a XCMD or
XFCN which will allow a HyperCard
Stack to communicate with the serial port.
If anyone has information of a FTP site or source
from which one may obtain this resource, I would
appreciate receiving it.

Please reply to me directly and not to the newsgroup.
Thanks.

Edward Lim (elim@vax7.cc.monash.edu.au)                   
Clayton, Vic 3168
Australia
From: bagwill@swe.ncsl.nist.gov (Bob &)
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Subject: relative popularity of Navitext SAM (and others)
Keywords: Navitext
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:50:48 GMT
Distribution: na
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Does anyone have a feel for how popular Navitext SAM is?  I was thinking
of writing a filter that would convert Navitext SAM format to a Tk-based
hypertext one.  I don't want to put a lot of effort into it if it's not
very popular.

--
Bob Bagwill	NIST/Computer Systems Lab/Distributed Systems Engineering Group
From: olstad@kl.msc.edu (Ken Olstad)
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Subject: Re: Simple public hypertext tool searched
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:55:24 GMT
Organization: Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Inc.

>>>>> On 16 Aug 92 09:23:07 GMT, brauch@idtsun11.kfk.de (Ilko Brauch) said:

 Ilko> The hypertext facilities of the GNU emacs/epoch are a little to
 Ilko> uncomfortable for my purpouses (no mouse sensitive following to
 Ilko> the links e.g.).

Hyperbole was mentioned, and I also recommend it for its flexibility.
Also, Dave Gillespie's improved info.el adds many features to the
standard info, including a personal annotation feature, and following
links with the mouse.
--
Ken Olstad                      Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Inc.
olstad@msc.edu                  1200 Washington Avenue South
612 626-1895                    Minneapolis, MN  55415
From: tb06@pl118a.cc.lehigh.edu (TERRENCE MONROE BRANNON)
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Subject: Re: Simple public hypertext tool searched
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:31:31 GMT
Organization: Neurobiology


   Hyperbole was mentioned, and I also recommend it for its flexibility.
   Also, Dave Gillespie's improved info.el adds many features to the
   standard info, including a personal annotation feature, and following
   links with the mouse.

And besides that Bob Weiner is designing a mail reader which will work
smoothly and powerfully with Hyperbole -- the mail reader will allow automatic
refiling of msgs based on any criteria you can code in Emacs Lisp. It also
will allow prioritizing based on who the msg is from (e.g., your boss).

If only it browsed the World-Wide Web...

 
--
Terrence Brannon	tb06@pl122a.eecs.lehigh.edu
medical biology via acupuncture and particle physics
primitive knowledge reign supreme over nearly every1
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
From: yandros@Athena.MIT.EDU (Chad Phillip Brown)
Subject: Re: Simple public hypertext tool searched
Organization: /mit/yandros/.organizations
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 16:40:10 GMT


	When you say 'hypertext facilities of the GNU emacs/epoch' are
you refering to hyperbole (wilma.cs.brown.edu:pub/hyperbole)?  This
does allow you mouse-only operation, and the full powers of Emacs
Lisp, although it's not 'ultra-pretty' the way some GUIs are.  Also
there's the Andrew Tool Kit, a multimedia graphics system complete
with editor, viewer, and link systems (and *much* more), which comes
with source (emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu:/andrew), but it's *VERY* big.

	I've personally run both of these on a Sun4 (IPX) running
4.1.2, although I had to punt the ATK build for a while, since we're
just now integrating suns into our local environment.

	I've mentioned these before, and am interested in hearing of
any other systems, especially those that are PD and/or come with
source.

-C
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From: James William Ray <jray@igc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:48 PDT
Subject: Re: Creating an FAQ
Nf-ID: #R:1992Aug6.123254.1@hamp.hampshire:1330884759:cdp:1306100005:000:187
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!jray    Aug 13 02:48:00 1992


I volunteer to do an ascii-hypertext version of the FAQ using
the MaxThink reader software -- which is PD. That'd make
the FAQ available in hypertext form for us XT/DOS users ...

James.
From: pwo@ztivax.UUCP (Peter W Osel)
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Subject: SUMMARY: HyperText sytems
Summary: Found two commercial HyperText packages
Keywords: hypertext
Date: 12 Aug 92 09:17:07 GMT
Organization: Siemens AG, Munich, Germany

In alt.hypertext I wrote:

>We want to create a hypertext based help system.  Which hypertext systems
>could be used (Public Domain preferred)?  I'm sure this has been asked
>before, could someone mail me a summary? Thanx
>	--pwo

Most of the answers were interested in the result, only two answers
named a package (both commercial), archie knows some packages with
`hyper' in their name (obviously for amiga, apple2, MS-DOS,
GNU-emacs).  I haven't copied any of them , so I can't comment on them.

From: gaa6926@usl.edu (Accardo Glen A)

It isn't public domain, but it is rather inexpensive and it is good:
HyperWriter! by NTERGAID.  Their phone number is (203) 380-1280.  The
FAX number is 380-1465.  If you would like more information on the software,
I am working on my master's thesis and using their software to build the
hypermedia documents, and I could help you.

Glen Accardo            University of Southwestern Louisiana
gaa@usl.edu             English Graduate School


From: Scott Raney <raney@csn.org>

Check out our product MetaCard.  It has a Motif interface, and support
for hypertext with multiple fonts, sizes, styles, and colors.  The
engines are freely distributable (no runtime royalties).  You can
anonymously FTP a save disabled distribution from ftp.metacard.com
(directory MetaCard), world.std.com (directory pub/MetaCard), or
ftp.uu.net (directory vendor/MetaCard).  We can also email this
distribution or send it out on floppies (free, of course).  I've
enclosed the marketing blurb.

[...] Fact Sheet deleted

	--pwo
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From: gilberte@media.mit.edu (Gilberte Houbart)
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Subject: Re: Textnet
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:52:42 GMT
	<1992Aug17.191118.24969@walter.bellcore.com>
Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory


Thanks! I actually found the same reference in an article "Hypertext:
an introduction and survey" by Jeff Conklin. He also mentions that
Trigg's thesis is considered as the first one on hypertext (but may be
he is just refering to what you claimed...).

The article was given to me with no reference of where it comes from
but if anyone is interested I can digg out the title (I think it's in
a book about groupware).

I want to know if Trigg's work on representing different point of
views was followed by other work. I should may be try in the groupware
news group.

Gilberte
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
From: Jakob Nielsen <nielsen@bellcore.com>
Subject: Re: Textnet
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6B57211D3020D9A@hip10.bellcore.com>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 17 Aug 92 20:11:13 GMT
Organization: Bellcore - Bell Communications Research
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 19:11:18 GMT

In article <GILBERTE.92Aug16192056@media-lab.media.mit.edu> Gilberte
Houbart, gilberte@media.mit.edu writes:
>I'm very interested in any reference (papers, software) to Textnet and
>IBIS. The first one was developed by Trigg before he worked on Notecard

The ultimate Textnet reference is of course
Trigg, R.H. (1983): "A Network-Based Approach to Text Handling for the
Online Scientific Community," Ph.D. thesis, Department of Computer Science,
University of Maryland (University Microfilms #8429934).

In my entry for this reference in the annotated bibliography in "Hypertext
and Hypermedia", I claimed that it was the first Ph.D. thesis about
hypertext. If anybody wants to dispute this, please let me know.
--
Jakob Nielsen, nielsen@bellcore.com, fax (201)  829-2645
Bellcore, MRE 2P-370, 445 South St., Morristown, NJ 09792-1910, USA
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
From: souissi@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Ridha Souissi)
Subject: Re: Islamic revolution
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:36:11 GMT

In article <graham.713792984@galois> graham@maths.su.oz.au (Graham Matthews) writes:
>
>Ridha Soussi.
>>I am not trying to use this as a proof of the truth of Islam,
>>just showing the person who is mocking prophet Mohamed as a
>>"desert nomad" man that this man is among the top who influenced
>                                               ---
>>humanity with the message he brought.
>
>"Top" in what sense? Your whole previous argument suggests you mean "top"
>in terms of quality, value etc. But as I point out the above argument uses 
>"top" in a sense of "qauntity" which as a support for an argument about 
>qaulity is pretty flimsy.
>

Top in the sense of the book written by a western writer who
ranks 100 personalities who influenced the history of humanity
most and Mohamed (pbuh) was number 1 on the list.  Sorry I don't
recall the name of the book; maybe some readers can help.

>graham

Ridha
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney)
Subject: Re: Shroud of Turin (was DOES GOD EXIST?)
Organization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 19:34:30 GMT

U55870@uicvm.uic.edu (David James Alexander Hanley) writes:

>  You know, don't you, that the roman catholic chruch has now conceded
>that the shroud is a hoax?  This is after speding much time, money and
>effort promoting it as proof of their faith.  All the supposed authentic
>details have been shown
>to be fabrications( he,he ) and distortions.  Plus on closer examination
>it can be discovered that the shroud is painted.  Hehe.

Actually, to give the church leaders who originally discovered the shroud
_some_ credit, they figured it was a fake too, and displayed it only
as an _example_ of what the supposed shroud would have looked like.

Over the years, this fact seemed to have been "forgotten".

Can't rmember where I read this; may have been Uta Reinke-Heinemann's
"Eunuchs for Heaven".

P.
-- 
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clive P a u l  M o l o n e y "Lines of light ranged in the nonspace of the  rem
james Trinity College,Dublin PMOLONEY%MATHS.TCD.IE@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU mind." vr
brownbladerunnerorsonscottcardprincewatchmenkatebushbatmanthekillingjoketolkien
Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
From: amorgan@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog)
Subject: Re: A question
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:10:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.162258.15081@ncsu.edu> 
  cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG) writes:
>
>To respond to the post concerning my comments on homosexuality.

To respond to your response:

>I feel the following about homosexuality:

>1) Homosexuality is a choice, consciousness or sub-consciousness. At any rate 
>   can be changed.

Thanks Einstein.  The mere fact that you have not the slightest shread
of evidence other than your malformed sense of importance to back this
up doesn't bother you in the slightest.

>2) Homosexuality, as far as I've seen, has never been the issue that it 
>   is today.  Why hasn't homosexuality been such a debated topic throughout 
>   history.

Because people were a little more tolerant then?

>3) The Roman Empire was freat and powerful until the extreme moral decay 
>   weakened it.

The Roman Empire lasted a *hell* of a long time and the Roman Army was 
chock full of homosexuals and did very well.  I guess love between the  
men is good for morale.  Oh, I don't think many historians will agree with
your "moral decay" argument.

>4) Homosexuals were the firing gun for AIDS.

.... and straights were the firing gun for every other disease in history.

>5) Looking at the make up of a man and a woman, it is quite apparent that they
>    were made to go together sexually. Not so with male-male or female-female.

Clearly tall people shouldn't date short people then.

>6) I do not think that a law should be made against homosexuality b/c I said
>   so or b/c it is in my religion.

How very noble of you.

>7) I doubt very seriously that all the "prejudice" in the world to homo-
>   sexuals is because of Christianity.

Did we say all?  I'd settle for "most".
 
>Chris 

One more thing.  You are a bigot.  Justifying your bigotry doesn't
change anything.  You are a sad and pathetic human being.  Go away.

C Frog
Newsgroups: alt.atheism,sci.skeptic
From: skinner@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Gregg Skinner)
Subject: Re: Bush interview as quoted in Alt.Atheism FAQ
Reply-To: g-skinner@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:29:38 GMT

bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles) writes:

>BTW, if you truly want to pay no taxes, that's possible.  Take a vow of
>poverty and live in a state that doesn't charge sales tax on food or
>medicine.  You'll still get hit by Social Security if you earn _any_
>money, but it isn't a tax.  So it _is_ possible to live with your religion.
>It may not be easy, but that's your problem.

Just to increase the credibility to this scenario: I have heard of War
Tax Resistors (people who are conscientiously opposed to paying taxes
that contribute to military expenditures) who presently do this.
-- 
Gregg Skinner    g-skinner@uiuc.edu         I speak for no organization.
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
From: cosc16tt@menudo.uh.edu (Dennis Gray Jr.)
Subject: Re: Christians and Capital Punishment
Reply-To: DGray@uh.edu
Organization: /posole/cosc16tt/.organization
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 02:11:39 GMT

In article <9208201617.AA28359@dseg.ti.com> noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan) writes:

   I will admit that if the Catholic Church is in fact moving this way,
   it would appear that it is picking and choosing what it thinks is
   reasonable from the Bible (i.e. ignoring the punishments of Leviticus).

It doesn't seem as though this is anything new.  Almost all religious
circles pick and choose what is reasonable.  Perhaps this is not the
best way to phrase it since they don't call it picking and choosing --
they call it taking some parts figuratively and other parts literally.

So, what about capital punishment?  It seems to me that the desire to
kill those who commit violent or personal crimes (crimes like rape or
manslaughter) is perfectly natural.  I know some fundy is going to
attack this saying something like 'we should be beyond those primative
drives', but we are not and I don't see any reason we shouldn't have
them.  Of course the xians must avoid admitting that they are mere
animals with instinctual drives.  So there!  Flame that!

I don't really understand what you are asking, if anything.  Are you
just trying to start up discussion, or do you have a question you
would like answered?

Cheers,
-dennis
--
Dennis Gray, Jr.                 "What the hell were you doing???"

DGray@uh.edu                   "Attempting the hell to communicate."
                                     -from The Voyage Home
From: jgh1+@pitt.edu (John G Hardie)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Does God EXIST ?!
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:30:46 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


As Tim correctly points out, Baigent, Lincoln and Leigh are indeed the
ones who proposed the 'Mary goes to France' theory.  I just wanted to
say that I thoroughly enjoyed their book about this theory, although
their results are -um- questionable.  If you have any interest in
conspiracy versions of history, this one is a beaut.  Recommended,
but don't forget the salt. ;-)

[On the other hand, intellectual honesty compells me to admit that
their main evidence in favor of their theory seems to be the lack of
hard evidence against it.  This is IMHO a risky way - nay an untenable
way - of demonstrating that certain things did indeed take place.  
For what it's worth however, I suspect that B+L+L's version is 
considerably more PROBABLE than the one in the gospels - but then, 
just about anything is.]


Regards,
John
-- 
jgh1@vm1.cis.pitt.edu

	Give me chastity and continency, but do not give them yet.

Newsgroups: alt.atheism
From: NETOPRWA@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu (Wayne Aiken)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Famous Atheists?
Date: 22 Aug 92 00:54:32 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <21AUG199214553566@chemvx.tamu.edu>
lemoine@chemvx.tamu.edu (Brett G. Lemoine) writes:
>
>It is widley held that many of our country's founders were actually
>Deists. None were known to be self-proclaimed atheists.
>
 
There was at least one who was totally atheistic, in the modern sense-
Col. Ethan Allen.  The rest tended toward the liberal side of deism,
which, considering their times, was every bit as controversial then as
full-blown atheism is today.
 
Wayne Aiken                                            "You can BE what
PO Box 30904            slack@ncsu.edu                  you WON'T!!"
Raleigh, NC  27622                                       --"Bob"
(919) 782-8171          StarFleet BBS: (919) 782-3095
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
From: johndunk@wpi.WPI.EDU (John Dunkelberg)
Subject: Re: The "civilized" west
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:26:15 GMT

All this talk about communism and the us (hangovers from the '50's)
has nothing to do with alt.atheism.  Please cut your cross-posts to
relevant groups.  While interesting, it doens't belong here.

john
-- 
| John S. Dunkelberg Jr. |"The devil went down to georgia, 
| johndunk@wpi.wpi.edu   | an' he was lookin' for a soul to steal.
|------------------------| He was in a bind, he was way behind,
|The Charlie Daniels Band: and he was lookin' to make a deal..."
From: danoc@earlybird.Eng.Sun.COM (Dan O'Connell [CONTRACTOR])
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: priest observes
Date: 17 Aug 1992 18:04:19 GMT
Organization: Fakes R Us
NNTP-Posting-Host: earlybird

austin@apm.magadan.su writes:

 If a kind hearted atheist reads this, who has $700,000 to donate to a
 worthy cause, the Orthodox Bishop here is great need.  He has started two
 buildings to help the people materially and spiritually.  Work has
 stopped.  No money. Magadan should have 50 Orthodox churches in it to
 service it large community.  It has only one.

Clever, but not good enough. This poseur irks my trousers. Clearly no
priest would be presumptuous enough to do something like this.
What a wanker.

Dano
Xref: sparky alt.atheism:15397 sci.skeptic:14601
Newsgroups: alt.atheism,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Bush interview as quoted in Alt.Atheism FAQ
From: lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard)
Date: 19 Aug 1992 00:05 MST  
 <11AUG199206402267@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu> <1992Aug19.000224.5519@colorado.edu>
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1992Aug19.000224.5519@colorado.edu>, bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles) writes...
>Indian Reservations are sovereign nations.  Amerindians born on reservations
>are not U.S. citizens by the Fourteenth Amendment.
> 
>(Federal laws (and apparently some state laws) are enforced on reservations
>by treaty, not jurisdiction.  That is why a reservation can operate gambling
>facilities equal to any others in the state (e.g., $5 limit poker) even if
>the state places extreme restrictions on such facilities.  For instance,
>Colorado constitutionally limits gambling to three small mountain towns,
>but the Amerindian reservation (Utes?) is developing its own facilities via
>this clause).

In Arizona, the feds recently seized gambling machines on Indian reservations.

Jim Lippard              Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
Dept. of Philosophy      Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET
University of Arizona
Tucson, AZ 85721
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
From: cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf)
Subject: Re: Subject?
Organization: /home/ludviga/cindy/.organization
	<1992Aug21.022459.11564@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
	<2A945C8C.15126@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:14:32

Seen in Bergen, of all places:

JE$U$ $AVE$

(A sense of reasonableness made me cut this down to just alt.atheism,
it being the only group on the list that i read.  I can understand
that a warped mind would figure us atheists as well as the
newagers, pagans, and of course them heathen homosexuals would need
to hear this stuff, but i wish he'd tell us why he cross-posted to
sci.physics?)

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway