HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sdoki@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,wpi.students.desis,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: APOLOGIES ......
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:25:04 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu


 srik@cs.arizona.edu (Srikanth Raghavan) writes:
>It seems that my account was violated yesterday. The result has been
>these stupid postings on SCI. I am really sorry, I was outraged and
>shocked to see them postings today. I shall try to be more careful
>next time. 

didn't make much difference, nobody here would believe you anywayS

suresh
From: mhiri01@mik.uky.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Test,
Date: 10 Nov 1992 09:30:26 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

                TEST
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Ancient Indian Civilization
From: <RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 10 Nov 1992 10:19:24 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

>     This is not true.  For Gujarati at least, the second largest source of
>       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>     essentially dravidian. This is also a conclusion I arrived at based on
>     my independent studies . I would be grateful if you can let me know
>     any Gujarathi works where etymology of Gujarathi words are given.
>
>
>  Selva Selvakumar
>

  Here is some information I found on your question.

    Gujarat is named after the  Gurjaras, who entered India in  the 5th-6th
    century AD, settled in South Panjab and eventually made their way south
    to  Guajarat.    Webster's  dictionary   says  that   Gujarati  is   an
    Indo-European, Indic language, so it was not brought into India by  the
    Gurjaras.   Incidentally,  according   to  S.  Chatterjee,   Indo-Aryan
    languages  (of  which  Guajarati  is  one)  have the longest continuous
    development history of any language group in the world.

    The main source of Gujarati words is Sanskrit and there are three such
    categories of words:

    tat-sam (same):  Vachana (promise), Pustak  (book)
    tad-bhav  (derived from Skt words):  Vena (saying), Pothi (book),
    Khetar (field), Ghar  (house).
    Ardha-tatsam  (very similar to Skt words):  Dharam, Karam

    Pre-Aryan words, origin unknown  (they may also have been brought in
    from outside India): Dungar (mountain), Peta (stomach), Dhingli (doll).
      (are any of these, by any chance, Tamil or at least Dravidian?)

    Words from Arabic:  Umda (good), Khabar (news), Dalil (argument)

    Words from Farsi:  Gareeb (poor), Dariyo (ocean), Hava (air)

    Words from Turkish:  Chamcho (spoon), Top (cannon),

    Words from Portuguese:  Batata (potato), Tamaku (tobacco)

    Words from English:  Bank, Station

    Words from Marathi: Paan,  Vataghat (negotiation)

    Words from Kannada:  Elchi (cardamom), lena (loan?)

   (Minaldevi, the mother of Guajarati king Siddharaja Jayasingh, was a
  princess from Karnataka.  I regret to say that unlike Ravana,  S.J.  WAS a
  sex maniac!)

    My source is, `Gujarati Sahitya', by Anantaraya  Raval.

    Rohit Parikh
From: garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Gary Deol)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: re:Khalistan
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 22:52:19 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

A reply to a message written by: hsingh@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Harpreet)
 
>Can ui imagine what Rajiv gandu said during the riots 'WHEN A BIG TREE
>FALLS OBVIOULSY THERE IS GOING TO BE NOISE!'.  The big tree was Indira 
Gandu
>and the noise was just the killing of 10,000 Sikhs.
 
 I guess when Rajiv Gandhi was blown to smithereens 'the whole earth
shook that time'. :^)
 

Gary Deol              garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Ancient Indian Civilization
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:32:07 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <BxH2vv.29H@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering) writes...
> 
>>       Narain has a good point.  Here is a verse from the Rigveda:
>> 
>>                  "The Brahmin was his mouth,
>>             of both his arms was Rajanya made,
>>                   His thighs became the Vaisya,
>>             from his feet the Sudra was  produced"
> 
>   I know that this is a famous hymn. Is this not a clear statement of
>   superior, inferior description ( supported by numerous other sources)
>   of humans and thus a statement of racism ? If we honestly consider 
>   the statements in Manu and other Smrithis, it is quite clear that
>   the system is NOT very different from Hitler's or Nazi 'philosophy'.
>   I am not finding fault with any section of our people, but I can NOT
>   understand why we can NOT admit that some of our sanskritic culture
>   was 'uncivilized' and condemn and forget about them and take the
>   many gems found in the Vedic literature and cherish ? Why should there be
>   any hesitation in looking at our past in a factual manner? ( Dr. Parikh,
>   I am raising these questions and offering these comments for general
>   net-junta and not specifically directed at you :-) :-) ) 

	Mr. Selva, this is a very good example of your ignorance about
	your interpretaion of the Vedic literature. In the Vedas it has been
	declared that all menifestation is nothing but God himself. It is
	due to our sheer ignorance,  we think that we are separate from
	God. When all menifestations are different aspect of God, do you
	think that one part is inferior to another. Do you personally think
	that your leg inferior to your brain? If you do, as your quote suggests,
	you must be insane and I pray to God that He help you bring the
	enligntened wisdom so that you can see One in multiplicity. You
	are doing a great dis-service to human-kind. Think about it. Please
	don't propogate hatred.

	Brahmin, Kshyatra, Vaishya and Sudra are not related to birth or
	race. They are the nature of human beings. Those love knowledge
	are Brahmins, those who love to protect through justice are Kshatryas,
	those who love action and grahsthya are Vaishyas, those who love
	service to others are Sudras. There is no race are color attribute
	assignemnt to this system of Varnashram. Here 'varna' simply means
	'colorful' nature of human-beings. This division is inherent in all
	manifestations including your own body. This is the correct
	interpretaion. I feel pity for you. Hope you get enlightened in this
	life.

-- Virendra
From: sdoki@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu,wpi.students.desis
Subject: Re: Brahmins
Date: 8 Nov 1992 04:36:58 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

rairan@ecf.toronto.edu (RAI Ranjan) writes:

>  Does anyone know what percentage of Hindu people are Brahmin?

about 26%

suresh

Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:36123 soc.culture.indian.telugu:878
From: sdoki@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: on killing and newsreaders [was Re: Lord Doki and his compatriots]
Date: 6 Nov 92 04:10:38 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

> sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman) writes:
>udumudi@gingko (u v babu srinivas)
>writes on soc.culture.indian:
>
>)sridhar,
>)
>)if your kill file et al indeed works, you wouldn't be lucky enough to
>)see this:

does trn always post two copies of the article?


suresh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Bangalis to be more worldly(Re: US military assistance to Bangladesh
Date: 13 Nov 1992 12:42:31 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phad.hsc.usc.edu

In article <4815@equinox.unr.edu> hakim@unssun.UUCP (Ashraf Al Hakim) writes:
>Dear Netters,
>
>Currently, as you know, if any of our neighbors (india and Burma) wants,
>they can invade and take over Bangladesh just like what Iraq did to Kuwait.
>Then don't espect the UN to do what it did against Saddam. You all know that
>we are now also having border problems with both the countries. What of if one
>decides to take a large scale military offensive. We need to be prepared.
>

I presume you realise that on any given day, the Calcutta police may be enough
to take over Bangladesh and there is not too much you can do about it :-)


>You have probably also heard Indians talking about Bangladesh to be taken over
>by India infect even in this network. That feeling goes for many Indians. 

And you presumably have have taken it upon yourself to serve as a spokesman
for all Indians.

>We have to build up
>a strong defense before we make anything since what we make may never be safe.
>

Realisation dawns at last, although rather late in the day. During the Gulf
War, CNN's Bernard Shaw reporting from inside the BD barracks quoted the
soldiers as saying that they were grateful to there since it was the first time
in years that they had three full meals in a day.

Kind of sums up how misplaced your priorities are and where they need to be
refocussed.

Samit


[lots of hype deleted]



>Ashraf
From: bala@ulysses.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Gay Activists Demand Funds to Battle AIDS
Keywords: AIDS FUnds
Date: 12 Nov 92 03:06:18 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill


apnews reports:
	   NEW DELHI, India (AP) _ Sidelined from a world conference on
AIDS, gay activists met in a public park Wednesday and asked that
more money be channeled directly to gay organizations to battle the
disease.
	   ``We demand that this homophobia be done away with and more
funds be given to lesbian and gay non-government organizations,''
Ashok Row Kavi said.
	   Kavi, who edits India's only gay magazine, Bombay Dost (Bombay
Friend), spoke to about 40 gay activists gathered across from a
hotel where the Second International Congress on AIDS in Asia and
the Pacific was under way.
	   Michael Merson, head of World Health Organization's Global
Program on AIDS, said at the 5-day conference's start Sunday that
about 2 million people in Asia might die of acquired immune
deficiency sydrome by the year 2000 if governments failed to take
action.
	   The conference, sponsored by the World Health Organization,
brought together 1,400 medical, social and government experts from
60 nations to swap information on what is predicted to be the
world's next AIDS disaster zone.
	   Shivananda Khan, an organizer, told reporters that his group _
the Asian Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual Caucus _ was denied space in
the hotel.
	   Dr. Ravi Sandhu of New Zealand, who addressed the activists,
said Asian governments and the WHO do not finance homosexual groups
lest contributions dry up from charitable organizations, which
usually are conservative.
	   Speakers at the meeting in the park on Wednesday decried WHO's
AIDS project in Africa and Asia, which focuses on heterosexual
transmission of the human immunodeficiency virus that causes AIDS.
	   WHO says 80 percent of HIV transmission in Asia is heterosexual,
said Kavi, ``but that's a lie. Asia has more bisexual men than the
West.''
	   Homosexuality in Asian countries is as widespread as in the
West, according to WHO experts.
From: cco.caltech.edu!vidya (Vidyasankar Sundaresan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Visa question
Date: 11 Nov 1992 02:17:10 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: scratchy.caltech.edu
Originator: vidya@scratchy

This is a question for all those visa gurus out there.

A friend of mine got married recently, and his wife applied for an F2 visa  
in Madras. Because his I-20 said he had seven more months only in the US,  
her visa was refused. She tried a second time with the same I-20 with the  
same disappointing result. Now he has obtained a new I-20 which mentions  
May 94 as his last month here, so his wife is going to apply again.

The question is whether it will be easier for her to apply for a visa at a  
different city now. Is it easier to get a visa for a third application,  
although with a new I-20, if she goes to another city (say Bombay) to  
apply for her visa, or is it alright to apply in Madras itself?

Please send mail to me (vidya@cco.caltech.edu) or to  
kumar@macpost.caltech.edu .


S.Vidyasankar
From: verma@plains.NoDak.edu (Prateek Verma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Industrial/Manufacturing Engineers - Contacts
Date: 7 Nov 92 18:28:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.BxCzBG.E9D
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Hi !
	I would like to get in touch with guys who are into Industrial
	/Manufacturing Engineering. I would like to get some information
	about the job scene out there, areas (geographical & academic
	skills)	that are hot etc. Also, can someone tell me if there
	are newsgroups for fields like IE/ME. ?

	Thanks.

Prateek
From: hakim@unssun.nevada.edu (Ashraf Al Hakim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Clinton's victory-in the Indian context.
Keywords: Clinton's victory-in the Indian context
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:57:48 GMT
Reply-To: hakim@unssun.UUCP (Ashraf Al Hakim)
Organization: University of Nevada-Reno

Dear Sir,

I am with the Amnesty International. We will be working on human rights in 
India very soon. According to my information, India has one of the worst
human right abuses. India is in the red line.


If you want further information, you may e-mail me. The Amnesty does hope
that India improves its human right conditions and it is likely to ask the 
US govt to impose tough conditions on India and other human rights abusers.

Hope that one day, India can become an example which other countries can 
follow regarding human rights.

Sincerely,

Ashraf
From: fafat@usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: another 30 sec. :)
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:07:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: aludra.1dri4hINNkmo
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


>	That's because you had to open that shtuppid French-English-Marathi
>	Dictionary.. :)

hehee i don't consult the dictionary...... just as i was not taught to
think....                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^
	O sure, I believe you :). But it was a needless verbosity.


some things come to some people naturally you know....
suresh

	yup. Just that *you* don't happen to be one to have evolved naturally.
	Either you mutated in fits and jerks or, as Shaw would say, you did'nt
	jump far enough when the monkey took an evolutionary leap :)

	FFT
From: lal@cs.arizona.edu (The Morning Sun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Clinton's victory-in the Indian context.
Keywords: Clinton's victory-in the Indian context
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:00:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: optima.26405
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Nov13.161338.28797@cbfsb.cb.att.com> satwant@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (satwant.singh) writes:
>
>Say straight: "I do not want anybody to ask Indian Government to
>               stop killing innocent people."
>
>On a reasonable side: Do you really think, Indian Government
>                      can stop massacring innocents without the
>                      pressure from the external world?
>
>Satwant.

No one is innocent. You are guilty of being an ignorant selfish fool.
	The Indian government has been too lenient with the terrorists
in Punjab, who have taken *my* state away from me.
	Civilians are getting killed, both by the terrorists and
by the police forces. No one can deny it. But in the end the ones
responsible for this atrocity are the terrorists themselves.
	Kashmir is the place where my mother lived for a long time.
Now it is not safe to go there. Terrorists and criminals who are
responsible should be brought too full justice.
	The Indian army should move into Punjab, and Kashmir. And butcher
the terrorists under the imposition of martial law.

The indian governmemt has been too patient with the Khalistan movement.
The state does not belong to the few sikhs who want a seperate state.

It is a tribute to the freedom and democracy in India that these
people can go on causing trouble. But I've had enough of terrorists
and people like you.
	All terrorsist should be executed by the Indian army. All
those who support terrorism, wether from within or without
should be executed.

Thanks

A.L.

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar)
Subject: Re: KHALISTAN!
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 00:01:40 GMT

In article <Bx7Eus.7Lt@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> hsingh@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Harpreet Singh) writes:
>In article <1992Nov1.104649.3083@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, rroy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy) writes:
>> 
>> In article <Bx07B1.n4A@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> hsingh@cayley.uwaterloo.ca 
>> (Harpreet Singh) writes:
>> >What's wrong in asking for KHALISTAN?
>> >
>> >Harpreet Singh
>> 
>>      What is wrong with chopping someone's arm ? A nation is a man, living
>>  and breathing. You will feel the pain only if you were a part of this 
>>  nation. So don't bother asking. You will never understand it.
>> 
>>  Raja
>> 
>> >
>
>What about the pain of killing 10,000 Sikhs during the 1984 riots.?

10,000 killed ???? I thought it was around 3,000-4,000.

>Did u ever feel any pain for them??.  I really felt that i was part
>of the nation before those riots that were arranged by Rajiv Gandu and
>his M.P's, many of whom are still in power.  That's what u call a 
>nation who just kill their own people.  I was there in New Delhi during 
>the riots and I know how i feel.  So u should stop acting so patriotic
>and shut up.  What were u doing during those Riots of 1984??
>
>There is nothing wrong in asking for KHALISTAN, and God willing we we'll
>get it in my life time.  Why stay in India where u never know when u can
>be killed by the people in power.  Why were there no riots when Rajiv
>Gandu died.???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

BTW, Harpreet, who killed Rajiv ??

Kumar, V.R.


-- 
 ----------------------------------------------------
| V.R.KUMAR, Knowledge-Based Systems Laboratory      |
| CSIRO Division of Information Technology           |               
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From: vikas@deolali.Eng.Sun.COM (Vikas Deolaliker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Brahmins
Date: 10 Nov 1992 17:02:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: vikas@deolali.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: deolali


It is actually 3.2%. 

Vikas
From: mpmehta@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (Manish P. Mehta  ISE Grad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Ban on Doki to write anything on SCI
Keywords: Suresh Doki(?)....
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:37:50 GMT
Organization: College of Engg. & Tech., Ohio University, Athens, Ohio
Originator: mpmehta@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu

Dear news readers ,
 Since many days I am reading to the net for some interesting news or topics
but  I am fed up with all the personal  fights. So we should ban all such
articles on SCI. Also if it is possible some one should inform their systems
manager to suspend their account or access to any nwes group.
  I was reading to one person's enquiry about the price of one Bottle  
of Scotch whisky and this gentleman(?) Mr. Doki as if he owns the SCI put some 
foolish answer on the net. I think one goodway to keep these a...h...s out of 
SCI is by writing so many letters to his  account and bore him of reading mails
so that he won't dare to write any stuff on SCI.
 And if you like this idea let's do it.
Thanks ....
-Manish Mehta
******************************************************************************
From: sram@lccinc.UUCP (Siddharth Ram)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: The indian constitution
Date: 8 Nov 92 06:39:50 GMT
Organization: LCC Inc., Arlington VA

Hi. I attended a talk recently given at GWU by
someone associated with the khalistan movement,
and he said in his speech that sikhs have disavowed the
indian constitution because though  it explicitly mentions 
islam, hinduism and christianity, it does not
contain a reference to sikhism as an entity distinct
from hinduism. could someone confirm/contradict this ?

Thanks
SIddharth
-- 
Siddharth Ram, Software Engg, LCC Inc.
uunet!hallofjustice!sram
sram@seas.gwu.edu
(703)516-7545 (O) (703)516-4950 (Fax)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.usa
From: snoopy@unlv.edu (Ramesh Viswanathan)
Subject: Re: Please revise your lexicon, ladies and gentlemen!
Organization: UNLV
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 18:07:59 GMT

In article <adams.720902620@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
>
>> * Change the 'L' word epithet pointer from Liberal to Landslide.

>There was no landslide.  Period.  Yes, Clinton won a big victory in the
>Electoral College, but there was NO landslide.

>Think about it.  He only got 43% of the nationwide vote.  He only got 5%
>more than Bush, who is widely unpopular.  57% of the people voted against
>him.  He won very few states with >48% and won a few by only a % or so.

>No landslide.

> -Steve


Seeing that the only votes that really count is the Electoral college
vote of which President-elect Clinton garnered about 60%, it WAS a
landslide.  Clinton would have (yes, a supposition) got the majority
in the popular vote if it hadn't been for screwball Perot.


--rv
From: bazil@elroy.uh.edu (Farid, Bazil I.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: INFO NEEDED : Indian Customs Import Rules : Emphasis on Bombay ???
Keywords: Indian Customs, Bombay
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:33:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: elroy.9NOV199219331108
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Hello Netters,

	I am planning to go back to Bombay this coming semester break.

	I am thinking about taking some gifts for friends and family.
	(e.g. Calculators, Spell Checker (Franklin's), and few
	other items)

	I will aprreciate any info related to the Indian Customs latest
	policies, e.g., allowing upto $1000/- in cash etc.

	Thanks in advance for the information.

	Sincerely,

	Bazil Farid
	bazil@menudo.uh.edu
From: fafat@usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: squeaky cobra :)
Date: 9 Nov 1992 17:49:55 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Cobra whines:
I thought it was fafda.


	heh heh :) If only you would not try so hard to swallow that tail of
yours, maybe you can gurgle out the words more intelligibly...You were better
off in that scraggy, damp, mushy crevice where you had snuggled off some months
ago after having been kicked around royally on the net. But as they say, Jab
gidad ki maut aati hai, wo shehar ki oar bhagta hai... :) :)

FFT
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: RAMAJANMA BHUMI: AYODHYA-New Archaeological Discoveries
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:32:33 GMT
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston

In article <1992Nov9.192934.23787@tamsun.tamu.edu>, gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.160236.12462@menudo.uh.edu> mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:
>>>symbol would have been used. Personally, I feel that as a temporary 
>>>solution, the whole area should be razed to the ground and some sort 
>>>of a park or a All-faith-Lotus-temple like structure  be built there. 
>>>(Most hindus are sick of this RJB issue and wouldn't mind this at all.)
>>>
>>Yeh, see Bahai faith is the only solution: I must run before Deb gets
>>me for Bahai propagonda (-:
>>Arindam
>>
>
>Oh NO!! Its you and your Bahai faith again :-<
>I thought you said you were leaving for good 
>to spread the same old message of  love/peace/
>what-have-you to the spiritually impoverished
>masses. So you have finally decided that the 
>university nets are still the best way to get
>your word around eh? ;-)
>
>regards,
Nopes: in fact I  found it to be the worst as the nets are full of
deluded psycopathic unbelieving individuals (-:. But still resisting the
temptation is tough :-(.
Arindam