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From: tmohler+@cs.cmu.edu (Tim Mohler)
Subject: Re: Upcoming in June
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 19:12:30 GMT

In article <5775@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:

>	Well, I always found the earlier Darkover to be the best. MZB's
>writing did improve to some extent with time, but then the radical feminist
>overtones started to become overwhelming, to the point where I, at least,
>found myself feeling as though I ought to be ashamed of my sex. At that
>point I stopped reading Darkover. I haven't looked at one in years.

This I don't understand. Why do people call MZB a "radical feminist?"
She's nothing of the kind, and has in fact distanced herself from the
feminist movement.

I've never met her in person, but from her books and essays, I don't
think you can support an "accusation" of radical feminism.

She occasionally recounts the wrongs SOME men have done to SOME women
in a FANASTY world, and if THAT makes you ashamed of your sex, perhaps
you (a) are taking it personally or (b) have a guilty conscience.

Sea wasp, can you quote or state any SPECIFIC parts of ANY of the
Darover books you consider radical feminist? We can discuss that at least.

Rmember, folks, in the real world, us men DO have some things to apologize
for (and if you can't see them on your own accord, I don't think I can
point them out.)

Tim
From: brown@SUN375E.CCS.NORTHEASTERN.EDU (Cynthia Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Saberhagen's DOMINION
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:42:46 GMT


Dominion is indeed a sequel. Saberhagen wrote a series of books with
Dracula as the main character. The first one is called something like
"The Dracula Tape" and is a retelling of the Dracula story from Drac's
viewpoint--very clever and well-thought-out. Then there's "The Holmes-
Dracula File"--one of the best attempts at capturing the tone of the
original Holmes stories I've seen, although the effect is partly achieved
by quoting snippets of dialog from real Holmes stories. I also enjoyed
this book very much. The third book is "An Old Friend of the Family"--it's
the one that introduces Dracula to the Chicago setting and to the people
involved in the subsequent books. It's ok but not as good as the others.
Dominion is better--almost as good as the first two books, and very
original. There are one or two later books in the series, which I thought
were weaker--one is called "Thorn" and the other "A Taste for Blood" or
something like that. In all these Dracula is a pretty sympathetic character
although he has his own peculiar standards of morality and behavior. The
best of this series are as good as the Berserker books, which are probably
Saberhagen's best-known works. All this, of course, is IMHO.

Cynthia Brown
brown@corwin.ccs.northeastern.edu
From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Dreamer Fithp
Date: 13 Sep 92 17:46:22
Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO
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In-reply-to: kasprj@jacob.its.rpi.edu's message of 13 Sep 92 18:50:31 GMT

In article <8b9yvd+@rpi.edu> kasprj@jacob.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak) writes:


   In article <1992Sep9.003859.24015@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann) writes:
   |> In article <1992Sep7.202236.29238@u.washington.edu>, daynem@byron (Dayne Miller) writes:
   |> >Niven and Pournelle, in FOOTFALL, mention a Threat Team (the "Dreamer Fithp")
   |> >that's composed of several writers of SF that advise the federal gov't. in 
   |> >times of unusual crisis. I believe Niven makes reference to a similar group 
   |> >in one of his short stories (maybe in the LIMITS collection??).

   |> >Is there any evidence to suggest that such an organization may exist, either
   |> >actively or in a contingency-based set-up?

    Think about it. When there's an unsolved murder in New York City, does the
   NYPD call a conference of mystery writers? Did the CIA consult the spy 
   novelists for advice on how to help cold-war defectors to escape? Did George
   Bush call Tom Clancy for advice on the Panama and Kuwait campaigns? 

Actually, I believe at least one NATO SOP was changed following Red
Storm Rising. After the book came out the composition and response
time of the "Iceland reinforcement" was changed and rapid deployment
exercises were carried out...

anyway, you mean you don't believe in "Murder, She Wrote" ;-)

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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: Upcoming in June
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:52:42 GMT

In article <BuJ6ou.4oF.1@cs.cmu.edu> tmohler+@cs.cmu.edu (Tim Mohler) writes:
>In article <5775@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:
>>	Well, I always found the earlier Darkover to be the best. MZB's
>>writing did improve to some extent with time, but then the radical feminist
>>overtones started to become overwhelming, to the point where I, at least,
>>found myself feeling as though I ought to be ashamed of my sex. At that
>>point I stopped reading Darkover. I haven't looked at one in years.
>
>This I don't understand. Why do people call MZB a "radical feminist?"
>She's nothing of the kind, and has in fact distanced herself from the
>feminist movement.
>
>I've never met her in person, but from her books and essays, I don't
>think you can support an "accusation" of radical feminism.

I have.  She isn't.  She gets a little testy when people try to claim
she is.

	--Hal
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From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Piers Anthony
Date: 15 Sep 1992 17:30:24 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
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In article <1992Sep15.105517.1@pearl.tufts.edu> mweinste@pearl.tufts.edu writes:
|>
|> (4) Good writing is writing that's read by intelligent, tasteful,
|> literate folks like me; bad writing is writing that's read by
|> swinish, callow, dimwit geeks like you.  While it may strike the
|> cultured mind as uncharitable, this, I suspect, is the definition
|> most people use.
|> 
|No, this is not the definition that most people use.  It's the definition that
|people who have very large egos and very narrow scopes of thinking use.

You contradict yourself, sir.

c
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From: minsky@media.mit.edu (Marvin Minsky)
Subject: Re: Gregory Benford
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:08:12 GMT

In article <last45INNl1l@spock.usc.edu> cbehre@spock.usc.edu (Charles Behre) writes:
>
>Two Questions:
>1) Are the plots in Across the Sea of Suns and In the Ocean of Night
>   connected to Great Sky River and Tides of Light
>2) Is GB planning on completing trilogies of these stories.
>
>--Chip 

Yes, he is well along on the successor to Tides of Light.  


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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: _Another Day, Another Dungeon_
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:05:53 GMT
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  Back in the winter of '90, I read a hilarious book called _Another Day,
Another Dungeon_ by a Greg Costikyan (sp?).  It was a wonderful spoof of
typical fantasy adventures and FRPG activities as well.  It ended indicating
a sequel -- certainly left a lot of incomplete plotlines about.  Does anyone
know anything about a sequel/continuation?  I mean, the thing *was* called 
"Book 1 of Cups and Sorcery".

thanks,

Jim Miller


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From: REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer)
Subject: Re: Something Nasty in the Human Genome
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 01:14:24 EDT

Sorry about this, but I seem to have missed the beginning of this thread.
Could someone tell me how it started, and in what story the "genetic parasites"
showed up?  Thanks.
 
 
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From: glane@athena.qualcomm.com (George Lane)
Subject: Re: Dreamer Fithp
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:32:30 GMT


>Niven and Pournelle, in FOOTFALL, mention a Threat Team (the "Dreamer Fithp")
>that's composed of several writers of SF that advise the federal gov't. in 
>times of unusual crisis. I believe Niven makes reference to a similar group 
>in one of his short stories (maybe in the LIMITS collection??).

>Is there any evidence to suggest that such an organization may exist, either
>actively or in a contingency-based set-up?

	Maybe they are referring to the JASON conference. Every year about
40 of the top scientists in the country come to San Diego for a conference
that deals with US security issues. Maybe they replaced the scientists 
with si-fi writers. 

George Lane

Opinions are mine only, who else would want them?
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From: parmentier@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: PC Hodgell update
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:51:49 GMT
Organization: Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Iowa

In article <MJB.92Sep12171149@oak5.doc.ic.ac.uk>, mjb@doc.ic.ac.uk (Matthew J Brown) writes:
> In article <1992Sep11.135404.1@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu> parmentier@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu writes:
>>	   P.C. Hodgell still does not have a publisher for the third book
>>in her series.  DAW has had the book, trying to decide whether to print
>>it, for almost a year.  Anyone who wants to see Jame in print again might
>>want to write to DAW and ask them to print the book.  As soon as I get
>>the address I'll be sending of a note.
> 
> This is one I don't understand. Why? _God Stalk_ was *good*. _Dark of
> the Moon_ was OK. I can't see the standard of her third book being
> that much worse. DAW prints stuff that's a tenth of the quality of
> these. What's the problem? Is Hodgell or her agent being awkward over
> the terms? (which was one story I'd heard). Whichever way, it doesn't
> make sense, and can't be doing anyone any good.

	Why?  The four year layoff from writing for her PhD thesis for one.
Her hardcover publisher was Atheneum, which decided to drop all authors not
writing children's books.  I don't know exactly why her paperback publisher
dropped her.  Hodgell wants the book published, as far as I can tell she
isn't too picky about terms.  Her agent, for some inexpicable reason, hadn't
sent DAW copies of the first two books until recently.  Hodgell does have
the rights back for the first two, so she is free to have all three published
by DAW, which should help.  It's very hard to switch publishers in the middle
of a series, which accounts for the last three years of not being published.
	Glen Cook's Dread Empire series was published under four different
publishers ( or at least the seven of the fourteen which will ever see
print, ) but they were all published by the same editor.

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From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Heinlein stories ?
Date: 13 Sep 92 17:34:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BuJ25I.3Lq
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In <1992Sep11.004336.19970@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann) writes:

>>>1. "Window to the Stars"
>>
>>Hard to say -- the most probable would be TUNNEL IN THE SKY, but that's
>>pushing it a little.

>That was my first thought, too.

>>Perhaps there's something I'm forgetting.

>What about that story with the TP twin brothers; one goes out in space
>& the other stays home?  The name escapes me, but I /think/ it was
>something like that (just discussed on the net, too :-/  ).

_time for the stars_

barb
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From: mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Subject: Re: Gregory Benford
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 08:12:11 GMT

In article <last45INNl1l@spock.usc.edu> cbehre@spock.usc.edu (Charles Behre) writes:
>
>Two Questions:
>1) Are the plots in Across the Sea of Suns and In the Ocean of Night
>   connected to Great Sky River and Tides of Light

 Very much so.

>2) Is GB planning on completing trilogies of these stories.

 Who knows? I hope so.

Wassail,
Al Billings

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From: levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine)
Subject: Joan Aiken
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:51:17 GMT

Does anyone else like her Dido Twite books? 

(Adventure -- ostensibly for young people -- set in an alternate world.
Off-the-wall concepts such as a captain haunted by a pink whale. Nice
ethics, written by a nice lady.)

And how come Donna Tartt got an advance of a zillion dollars and no one
seems to remember this lady?

Lenore Levine
levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu
From: djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Good writing (was Re: Piers Anthony)
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:10:21 GMT
Reply-To: djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

In article <1939nvINNjrh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> dpn2@po.CWRU.Edu (Damien P. Neil) writes:
>In a previous article, djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes) says:

>>Go ahead, shoot it down, folks. . .
>
>You asked for it... :-)
>
>If there is an author who is liked by many and hated by many, is his
>writing good or bad? At what point is writing "insulting the reader's
>intelligence?" Most children's books would "insult" my intelligence, but
>they may be fine for children. There are even stories that don't
>communicate effectively, but are still good. Isn't that the definition of
>surrealistic, almost?

I answered, essentially, all these points in a previous article already.
To summarize:

How many people _like_ an author has no necessary connection with good or
bad.

Good children's books don't insult the child's intelligence.  (And in fact
the best children's books don't insult adult intelligence, either:  see
the ALICE books, or Narnia, or THE HOBBIT, or Susan Cooper, or or or. . .)

Surrealism, well-done, communicates quite effectively *what it intends to
communicate*.

Thank you for playing.  Next contestant?

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		Side by side in my forebrain sat
		With Shakespeare's monkeys crowding in behind. . .
		. . . it's all in your mind.
			-- Visual Purple

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My opinions do NOT represent Pacific Bell,
Professional Development, or anyone else.
But I'm willing to share.
From: chuq@gallant.apple.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: "Help: ever heard of 'Red Shift Rendez-Vous' ?"
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:49:01 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

ricardo@colombo.puug.pt (Ricardo Nuno Silva) writes:

>I'm looking for any info on a sf short story called "Red Shift Rendez-Vous".
>I'd like to know the author's name, publisher, maybe the ISBN or anything 
>else.

It was a novel, author is John Stith, publisher is Ace. 

chuq (actually, now that I think of it, it is still a novel)


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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: St Cyr?
Date: 13 Sep 92 22:26:26 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Did Ian Wallace write any St Cyr books aside from "Deathstar Voyage",
"Sign of the Mute Medusa", and (sort of) "Heller's Leap"?

advTHANKSance.

-----
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  much like cottage cheese gets way after the date on the lid says it is all 
  right to buy it.--Scott Jones
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From: rkh@ucs.att.com (Bob Halloran)
Subject: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Organization: AT&T Universal Card Services, Jacksonville FL
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:26:16 GMT

In article <IeffZJG00Vp84QXkpr@andrew.cmu.edu> "Andrew C. Plotkin" <ap1i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.sf.written: 9-Sep-92 Mercedes Lackey
>Rebecca Drayer@YaleVM.YC (719)
>> I have a question about Ms. Lackey's work.  Has she written any other
>> Diana Tregarde books besides Jinx High?  
>
>_Children of the Night_ and _Burning Water_. 
>_CotN_ takes place earlier than, but was written after, _BW_.
>
>> Also, is she planning to write any more in the future?
>
>I don't know of anything Lackey has written that she doesn't plan to
>write more of. :-)

When she and Larry Dixon appeared at Jax's spring con this year,
she mentioned the next two books in the Diana Tregarde series;
'Triangle Park' due out Any Day Now, set in RTP, North Carolina,
and next year's book, set in the Georgetown section of DC, working
title 'Arcanum 101'.  One of the hucksters was selling t-shirts
for `The Midnight Tour of Diana Tregarde & the Guardians'; the
tour dates were one per year, with the locale and title of both
the books to date and the two mentioned above.

You might also notice that she's loosely tying together the 'Modern 
Bard' books (Knight of Ghosts & Shadows, Summoned to Tourney), the 
SERRAted Edge books (Born to Run, Wheels of Fire) and the Diana Tregarde 
books by asst. comments made by characters in one series to happenings
or people in the others.

Hope this helps.

	Bob Halloran
	AT&T Universal Card
	Jacksonville FL

	rkh@ucs.att.com
Any similarity between opinions stated here and AT&T's 
  corporate opinion are purely coincidental.

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From: bobm@Ingres.COM (Bob McQueer)
Subject: Re: Glen Cook's next Black Company Book
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:24:32 GMT

In <92256.171658CMH114@psuvm.psu.edu>,
	dated Sat, 12 Sep 1992 17:16:58 EDT,
	<CMH114@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> Speaking of Glen Cook, his bios still claim that he works in a auto plant in
> Cleveland. Is this still accurate? Might explain why he suddenly dried up like
> that after that late 80's torrent of stuff.(Laid off for a while?)

I wondered about that too.  Especially since the guy at a local SF bookstore
told me a few months ago that Cook wasn't writing currently because he
couldn't make enough money at it, and went back to other work because he
was strapped for cash (apparently got divorced, is being hit for alimony,
etc.).  Given the onslaught of Cook referred to above (all the Garret books,
among others), this sounded fishy.  I would assume that someone cranking out
that kind of volume, and finding shelf space at chains like Dalton books
would be making a decent living at it.  Especially given that bio, which
would imply that he wasn't exactly in the income brackets of top corporate
executives when he took up writing.  Can anybody confirm or deny this?
From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Good writing (was Re: Piers Anthony)
Date: 15 Sep 1992 00:07:13 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
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In article <1992Sep14.210619.8095@pbhyc.PacBell.COM> djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes) writes:
>In article <192i6fINN808@agate.berkeley.edu> curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin) writes:
>
>>If we're to get anywhere in this argument, we'd best have a definition of
>>"good" and "bad" writing.
>
>How about:  "Good writing (in fiction) is writing which communicates 
>effectively, entertains, and does not insult the reader's intelligence."

Well, before we stumble into a standard, perhaps we should excavate
at a lower level.  What do we want in a definition?

If we see those clouds of bombast and innuendo lurking on the
horizon and pray for rain, then, by all means, that definition is a
fine one.  It'll make for wonderfully silly debates - the best kind.

On the other hand, if we're looking to settle this hash quick and
get the corpse in the grave before it starts to stink - if, in
other words, we're looking for a _useful_ definition - your breed of
beast need not apply.  It hath fish to fry; and different fish do
not always fry alike.

c