HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: harpua@yvax.byu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: What a gdead bboard means to me
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:15:42 -0700
Organization: Brigham Young University

In article <MefU9FW00iUxE2AnMo@andrew.cmu.edu>, Kieran Hooks <kh3i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 
>     I recently signed up on the gdead bulletin board because I am
> interested in hearing dead related news and going ons. I am somewhat
> dismayed at the current volley of mail revolving around the recent
> racial slur and the dozens of retorts. 

Well, unfortuantely, there is little new and exciting to write about the
grateful dead due to the cancelled tour.  It is too bad that there are people
who have nothing in their lives without a tour and have to fall back to these
amazing discussions.  On tour we'll yell PEACE LOVE HAPPINESS or whatever.  No
tour = no peace or whatever.  
  
>     I hope I am not the only one with this view. I don't mean to be in
> the position of censor, but the current bboard does not satisfy my
> needs. Sorry for the intrusion.

No, this board satisfies nothing.  A smaller, private BBS i.e. Terrapin Station
is a nice friendly place to discuss grateful dead, and where the Sysop is
humane enough to not allow anything too derogatory to be kept up.


> Replies not necessary.
 
Tough.  I had to.  You may want to continue reading the few intersting posts,
and just skip over all this racism.  That is what I do.
 
>                             - Kieran


HARPUA
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Pathetic
From: <MAH76X@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:59:13 EDT
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company

In article <1992Sep10.130430.20587@alw.nih.gov>, jbravem@helix.nih.gov (Joshua
Braveman) says:
>>(just got a new 71 tape with the dreaded Playin Loser combo on it, case
>>ya cant tell. two tunes that stank the place up in 71 but are cool now)
>>
>Just out ofosity, does anyone know when the first extended *playin'*
>occured?  Might it have been late '71?  Just wondering.
>
>Josh Braveman

I don't know.  But I know the Veneta '72 one goes WAY out there.  That has
always been one of my favorites.  I remember when I first got the tape WAY
back when, the first time I listened to the playin' side, I was on a family
drive through Chester County Pa wooded area.  The jam was so spacey and
melodic :-).  Now when ever I think of playin' in the Band, I think of spacin
down those windy wooded roads :-).

Joe Doheny
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: When all the monsters flame you
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:38:58 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Sep8.192836.27574@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> SCHUBERT%MIDD.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu writes:
>When all the monsters flame you

	Well, this made about as much sense as anything else you've ever
posted...  Lissen up, obsidian ol' pal, y'all gotta cut back on them 
mushroom omlettes fer breakfast.  Sounds like they're beginning to _effect_
you a little.  Remember, now, we want the _bacon_ a little crisp around the
edges, not the cook.
									wr
From: bs810@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (D. Eric Nay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: A Phil Zone (or Studio outtakes '88)
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:36:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Howdy! If Phil's actually out there and readin' this, well hi!, welcome to
this wonderful world of info, in all the confusion with FYA and forged postings
it was kinda tough figurin' whether that post was for real or not, but any-
way it doesnt get much worse than what we've seen in the past week, usu. much
better though perhaps a bit stranger...if nothing else this post should be 
sure to generate some sort of interesting reponse from somebody...:)

	While bein' beat over the head by a cabaret club this w/e, i recall
hearing through the fog a tape labeled "Studio outtakes '88" which included
studio versions of BTL, Bob doin' VOTC, Brent doin' Gentleman Start Your 
Engines, IWTYH, Blow Away, and Phil singing somethin along the lines:

	It doesn't matter, It doesn't matter, shit happens...
        The universe is still together
        ....
        Whatever hits the fan might splatter,
        It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter..
        Whatever hits the fan might splatter
        It doesn't matter, doesnt matter

Was at a friends house listening to this and nobody had heard it before, dont
have the tape handy or I'd transcribe it exact for ya, but thats all i member,
there was also an instrumental of some sort on that tape i think.  So, whats
the deal with this tune? New song and I'm spillin' secrets? Never gonna see the
light of day? Phil havin' fun in the studio? Some obscure tune we're not 
familiar with?  Curious minds lookin' for an answer to this burning question... 
8=) thanx, cya, "Bass Great, Lesh Filling"
eric n

p.s.  The VOTC is just Bob on electric with what sounds like a drum-machine
-- 
It left a smoking crater of my mind I'd like to blown away
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wednesday, 9 Sep 1992 19:49:14 MST
From: <AUDPH@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject:    tape id - is this even worth it?

Hey Now!
Instead of getting pissed about all this FYA crap, here's a question that
actually should be here...
My friend gave me a tape with Bob Weir alone doing Throwing Stones
acoustic.  He's had the tape since 1985, so it must be somewhere between
1982 and 1985.  Does anybody have an idea (or is it even feasible to
determine) where this came from?
Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: tnf@well.sf.ca.us (David Gans)
Subject: Re: New Years
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:43:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.174843.3718@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> echo@ucscb.ucsc.edu writes:

>Read the article in the newest issue of Rolling Stone.  Basically, Phil
 (or Mickey, I don't remember now) says that the band expects to start
 practicing again in the middle of November and to play New Year's shows.

Phil indicated to me last Thursday that he expects the Dead to play New
Year's, and I have reserved satellite time for the broadcast.

-- 

	David Gans	tnf@well.sf.ca.us
			{apple,pacbell,hplabs,ucbvax}!well!tnf
From: bg377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rich Wainwright)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Jerry's shirts
Date: 9 Sep 1992 12:13:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bg377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rich Wainwright)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, nsax@uoregon.edu (Norma Sax) says:

>i've always wondered how many black t-shirts jerry owns. do fans send them him?
>and now that he is going to apparently lose some weight, will he have to get a
>whole new supply and will he depend on deadheads to once again keep those
>shirts a comin?
>
>inquiring netheads want to know.

To tell you the truth I don't think he owns any.  When he is in DC he puts on
a brand new one each night, new socks too.  When he gets back to the 4 seasons
hotel, he leaves them there.  A friend of mine is one of the concierge' there
and he has a bunch of Jerry's once worn black tee's and socks.

As for tooling around the house, he wears a pink tutu most of the time ;->

FWIW,
Rich
-- 
*****************************************************************
*   Rich Wainwright               Some folks are electricians   *
*   BG377@cleveland.freenet.edu   others plumber's wives.       *
*****************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: tmalley@trilobite.dsd.es.com (Thomas J. V. Malley)
Subject: Outback USA tour (third try to post)
Followup-To: rec.music.gdead
Reply-To: tmalley@trilobite.dsd.es.com (Thomas J. V. Malley)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 22:46:45 GMT


"Outback", world music band of Oxford, England, will be touring
the US over the next two weeks.  They were number two in world
music sales to "Planet Drum."  Outback features Graham Wiggins, one of
the premier dijeridoo (Australian aboriginal hollow tube 
instrument) players in the world, and guitarist Martin Craddick,
along with an innovative percussion backup.  Their music is a
rythmic combination of English folk, reggae, ska, modal jams 
and the kitchen sink.  Outback has released two CDs, "Baka", and 
"Dance the Devil Away," which are often heard on NPR between 
news stories and in Nature Company retail stores.

Tour schedule (approximate - you'll have to verify details for your locale):

	9/11 Los Angeles
	9/12 San Diego
	9/13 Tuscon
	9/15 San Francisco
	9/16 Seattle
	9/17 Vancouver
	9/19 Davenport, Iowa
	9/22 New York
	9/23 Boston

Seeing Outback live will likely be even more energetic and vibrant 
than their released CDs.  

"Don't 'cha miss it.  Some of you just about missed it!" 
	--- Talking Heads

Opinions are those of the author.
-- 
tmalley@dsd.es.com
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Date: Tue,  8 Sep 1992 21:49:37 -0400 
From: Nathan Tait Lapierre <nl19+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Corina
	<krikket.7103@meltdown.chi.il.us>

Hey Now!

Could one of you fine people help my dreary mind...  what are the first
few (ie. 2) lines of the song Corina?  I must be having a High Time all
too often.

Thanks,
    Nate
From: augy@toz.buffalo.ny.us (Jeffrey Ehlinger)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Garcia Ties at Macy's
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:21:23 GMT
Organization: The Tower of Zot - (716)691-3865


     The Jerry Garcia ties are avaliable at Jenss Department Store. I'm 
not sure how widley spread Jenns stores are, but in Buffalo:
Boulevard Mall 716-837-1100
Eastern Hills Mall 716-633-4949
The accept Visa, MasterCard, and AmExpress.

==========================================================================
** Mail to: Augy@toz.buffalo.ny.us        <<<Tower of Zot>>> Bflo, NY   **
** The bus came by and I got on, that's when it all began!              **
From: boccibob@media.mit.edu (Robert Ramstad)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: GDTS ticket refunds
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:40:43 GMT
Reply-To: boccibob@media.mit.edu (Robert Ramstad)
Organization: MIT Media Lab

Has anyone out there received a refund for *TICKETS* which were mailed back
to GDTS??  (Many people have received refund checks which came instead of
tickets, however, Veneta, Shoreline and Boston Garden series I tickets were
mailed out before those shows were cancelled, and they needed to be mailed
back to GDTS for a refund.)

I ask out of more than curiosity --- I'm moving to San Francisco at the
end of the week (should have uninterrrupted net.access, pretty much,
though) and with Phil's comment / rumor of something special in October in
the Bay area (Howdy, Phil!), I'm worried about $$$ (I'm a student) and hoping
that the refunds come through in time so I can afford to mail order next
time around...

Please send me email, and I'll post a summary of the responses later
today or early tomorrow.

Thanks much!
Bob
boccibob@media-lab.media.mit.edu

PS For you DAT-heads, yes, I'm still planning on finishing the SCMS stripper,
but things have been hectic with my departure from MIT and move to the Bay
area.  Sorry... hopefully orders for kits will be taken by Thanksgiving.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: marcus@vestek.com (Mark Stephen)
Subject: Re: been gone for a week
Organization: Vestek Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 21:06:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.153025.21010@vestek.com> marcus@vestek.com (Mark Stephen) writes:
>     Hey now, just got back from a weeks vacation, and found 600+
>messages on the net. I dont have the time or inclination to read
>them all. Could anyone tell me if there is anything important that
>has been discussed that I should know about ?
>
>     Hows Jerry ? 
>     What happened to the Zero tree ?
>    
>
>     Thanks, Marcus

Thanks everyone for responding. Sounds like I did not miss ANYTHING but a lot of
garbage. Whats happened to this group, 600 messages, and people tell me to ignore
them all. People, People, People, lets not forget the point of this whole thing.

Glad to be back anyway, Marcus


Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Steve -- The Other One <sjeck@isi.com>
Subject: Re:  tappers section & soundboard?
Reply-To: sjeck@isi.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:23:00 GMT



 wilson@MML.NCSL.NIST.GOV (Ron Wilson) writes:

|Hi Netters,

for an undercover government implant you sure don't know the
hip lingo, man.

|I have a couple of simple questions.  Can someone tell me how the tappers 
|section works?  And what is a soundboard?

you think that we don't know what you really want to know?

"tappers section?"  i  looked this word up in my trusty dictionary.
there is no entry!  thought you could come down here and fool us
into giving away our secrets? well it won't work!

"soundboard?" you almost had us with this one.  I almost thought
you wanted to discuss the design and mixolodian modes for the
sounding boards that Mickey uses during space.  but you blew it
asking about the "tapping section."  

just what is the NIST anyway? some supersecret covert spy agency
George and Dan made up to check up on Deadheads?

Steve-TOO

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Chris Doane <cmd2x@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU>
Subject: Re: Keep Your Day Job
Reply-To: cmd2x@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:52:48 GMT

John,

    Got out my Box of Rain, so here goes:

                      Keep Your Day Job

Maybe you collect or maybe you pay
Still got to work that eight-hour day
Whether you like that job or not
Gotta do your work while you're
lining up your long shot
Which is to say
hey-ey

Keep your day job
Don't give it away
Keep your day job
Whatever they say

Ring that bell for whatever it's worth
When Monday comes don't forget about work
By now you know that face on your dollar
got a thumb to its nose and a
hand on your collar
Which is to say
hey-ey

Keep your day job
Don't give it away
Keep your day job
Whatever they say

Punch that time card
Check that clock
When Monday comes
You gotta run,run,run
Not walk

Keep your day job
Don't give it away
Keep your day job
Whatever they say

Steady, boy, study that eight-day hour
but don't underrate that paycheck power
If you ask me, which I know you don't
I'd tell you to do what I know you won't
Which is to say
hey-ey

Keep your day job
Don't give it away
Keep your day job
Whatever they say

Daddy may drive a V-8 'Vet
Momma may bathe in champagne yet
God bless the child with his own stash
Nine to five and a place to crash

Keep your day job
Don't give it away
Keep your day job
Whatever they say
Keep your day job
Until your night job pays


Whew  Pretty long...

Oh, I saw some lyrics in here that I like that I just felt like sharing for
those who aren't familiar with them, they are on Hunter's first album, and I
haven't heard them myself, but it's a nice little nursery rhyme:

                    LADY SIMPLICITY

                    Lady Simplicity
                    Bright like a ribbon bow
                    Everything everywhere
                    Just for the show
                    Believe it implicitly
                    Love is tranquility
                    If you don't know that
                    Then nothing is known

Chris
From: sjeck@isi.com (Steve -- The Other One)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re:  When all the monsters flame you
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:46:57 GMT
Reply-To: sjeck@isi.com
Organization: The Internet


 wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) AKA Lou Marco writes:

|In article <1992Sep8.192836.27574@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> >SCHUBERT%MIDD.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu writes:
|>When all the monsters flame you

|        Well, this made about as much sense as anything else you've ever
|posted...  Lissen up, obsidian ol' pal, y'all gotta cut back on them 
|mushroom omlettes fer breakfast.  Sounds like they're beginning to _effect_
|you a little.  Remember, now, we want the _bacon_ a little crisp around the
|edges, not the cook.
 
No wonder the Dead don't play Texas, you'all don't understand art!

Think about it: both Lou and George Bush are Texans.            
Remember what George Bush let happen to the NEA?

Keep up the poetry Andy! We aren't all flaming you.

Steve-TOO
From: LLAWTON@uscvm.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: I'm gone, goodbye
Date: 14 Sep 92 04:34:12 GMT
Reply-To: LLAWTON@uscvm.bitnet
Organization: The Internet

Hi there,
I thought I'd let you know if it matters that I'm unsubscribing
for at least awhile.  It's been just too insane here, and I really
don't need to hang around, so I"m outahere.  Interested and
friendly parties can reach me at a new address ,
   leora@almaak.usc.edu
but the llawton@uscvm will work too.
toodle-ooh and take care,
leora
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Subject: Re: Jerry's shirts
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 21:05:43 GMT

In article <ken-090992154655@ahclem.ninds.nih.gov> ken@helix.nih.gov (Ken Weeks) writes:
>Jerry wore a BLUE tee-shirt at RFK 6/14/91. We all started buzzing about
>the COSMIC SIGNIFICANCE of this substitution...course there WAS a
>conjunction of
>Mars, Venus & Jupiter in the 8th house at the time, but this ALIEN BLUE
>SHIRT was on his BACK, fer crissakes!
>

He always wore blue T-shirts in the late '70's maybe he was just
rememberin' the past that day, black didn't become real popular til
the '80's.      

Must be a reflection of the Regan Era!        

This darkness has got to end!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>|<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 
>TODD|-ODD-|:-)                   |         Nothing Left To Do But  <
>brown@sunspot.sunspot.noao.edu  /|\             :-) :-) :-)        <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>/ | \<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: EP.LLD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lara)
Subject: Re: Abnormality
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:11:46 GMT
Re: Free Leonard Peltier; GD hotline, not necessarily in that order

i had the wrong number written down for the WC hotline, and tried to
get it from info (operator, can you help me ??) and was totally
astounded that it's unlisted!!  i've never had to look it up before,
always had it around, but ... UNLISTED?  puhleeze.  anyway, it's
kind of an old message, and can't wait to hear when we can send
those m.o. requests.

From Marguerite, this information, which i think is really
important, especially in this quincentennial year (and pardon me for
mentioning it here, but since there's no sched. tour ... ):

Demonstration, Monday October 12, 12:00
United Nations, Dag Hammarskjold Plaza, NYC
allow Voting Seating in the UN For Indigenous peoples
Sovereignty and Self-Determination for Native Peoples
FREE LEONARD PELTIER
phone: 202/234-2000

wish i could be on the EC, but how about we show our support for
this issue?  I'm going off-line to scare up the WC information, as i
heard that the South Bay Quincentennial committee is holding a
greenpeace-like boat protest when all the "celebrant" boats come
into the bay, i think the same date.

in the spirit of crazy horse
get well jerry
lara
P.S. re the phrase (ODC)"obligatory" dead content, if it's
obligatory, then what value has it?
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: "John J. Wood" <jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
Subject: Wow! Another way to insult human intelligence.;-)
Reply-To: jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:11:15 GMT

Thanks to Mark Kraitchman for bringing this to my attention.

Some loser who poorly attempted to be yours truly posted the following
irrelevance, which "coincedentally" didn't make my USENET feed...

|I think I owe the net an apology for my remarks above.  I think Mr. Gans
|hit the nail on the head about my attitude.  I must admit I was in a
|really bad mood at the time.  This morning I found out that my girlfriend
|of many years has been cheating on me.  That didn't bother me as much
|as the fact that she was having sex with my little sister.  I never even
|knew she was bi.  I came home unexpectedly to find them going at it on
|the couch.  So yes, I am pretty fucking pissed at the world right now.

Folks, add this swill to the "forged postings" list.  Perhaps it's time
to get this group moderated? It seems like the only way we'll get 
rid of this pathetic garbage once and for all.  Besides, I don't have
a little sister!;-)

And again...that was *not* me.  Now, back to the now-regularly scheduled
Nethead Romper Room....


 *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=*
 | John J. Wood                              jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu  |
 *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=*
 |			PLEASE GET WELL, JERRY!!!   			  |
 *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=*
 | "You can't let go, 'cause you're afraid to fall,            		  |
 |  And the day may come, when you can feel it all..."			  |
 *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=*

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: kauff@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Brian Kauffman)
Subject: TAPERS: mike recommendations anyone?
Organization: NCAR, Boulder CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:09:20 GMT

Some recommendations for relatively inexpensive mikes would be appreciated...

I'm not looking for the best mikes, but rather something that is fairly 
decent and has a good cost:performance ratio.  I'll be using them to record 
rock band rehearsals & possibly live shows (read "loud, live music").  
I'm thinking about either a stereo mike or two mikes in an XY pattern, 
direct to 2-track (my home cassette deck).

thanks, -Brian
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: mayer@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (James Mayer)
Subject: Re: bob weir sighting in ELLE (or it could have been VOGUE.....)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:18:48 GMT

The name of the childrens book is Panther Dreams.  A hard cover book which
includes a narrative tape by Bob.  Sound trak to the narration is provided
by Wier/Wasserman.  The book itself was written and illustrated by Wendy
Wier, Bob's sister.

	-"may the words be yours I am done with mine" BW
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: I love a good prank!
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:24:55 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Sep14.123834.10975@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> andrejkow@tbosch.dnet.ge.com writes:
>of the "posts".  Call me twisted if you like, thats been said before...

	The problem with pretending to be an authority figure is that it
undermines the virtual reality of the net - if you must pass off _everything_
here as fantasy, then why bother?  There must be some element of reality
even in the virtual mode - and that it undermines the reality of the people
behind the ASCII - when David Gans posts something I tend to belive it as true,
unless I notice that the headers are wrong...  When Gene Spafford posts
something I likewise tend to believe it.  And so on.  And these words 
lead me to build a picture of the person behind the screen.  Misrepresentations
both damage the percieved authority of the person being forged and damage
the picture of that person we've all built over the years.

	Furthermore, forgery is insulting to the person being misrepresented.
The words themselves were "harmless" this time, but that need not be the
case.  It's also terribly aggravating to have people saying "wharfie said
this" when you never did, even if the purported saying is not such a 
terrible thing.

	I have nothing against a well-done construct.  They can be very
interesting and even educational. (take "eagle" as an example, or foothead)
But fraud for the sake of fraud is damaging to the system.

							the wharf rat
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead