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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:57:41 -0800
Reply-To:     Frieda Davison <FDAVISON@SFSUVAX1.BITNET>
From:         Frieda Davison <FDAVISON@SFSUVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Coal Mining Companies
Comments: To: David Jones <DJONES@hpb.hwc.ca>
Comments: cc: Multiple recipients of list ROOTS-L <ROOTS-L@vm1.nodak.edu>

On Mon, 25 Jan 1993, David Jones wrote:

> I suggest you check with the United Mine Workers of America. If they
> worked in the mines, trhey were very likely union members.

These people were LONG before UMWA existed.

Frieda
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the issue of gays in the military.
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:55:50 GMT

johne@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (John Eaton) writes:
>A better analogy would be the intregration of women into the armed services.
>The current situation can best be described as "Seperate but Equal". Men and
>woman may work, train and fight together but they do not sleep, shower or sh*t
>together. The biggest reason why women have not achieved full parity in the
>Navy is the inability of the Navy to house women on combat ships.

The biggest reason women have not achieved full parity in the Navy is because
of the little boys who run that organization.  You know, the ones who think
it's just fine and dandy for Navy pilots to attack women in a hotel but
have fits about gays in the military.  

>The military is not a 9 to 5 job. The problem with gays has nothing to do
>with working together and everything to do with living together. In the
>military you are forced into living in close quarters with the people
>you work with. The reason we have seperate male and female quarters is that
>there is a basic sexual attraction between men and women and we will not
>force anyone to expose themselves to someone who lusts after their body.

This is the kind of uninformed homophobic nonsense that the Joint Chiefs
are spouting.  If they would fight as hard for Veterans rights as they do
agaionst gays then we'd all be better off.  I didn't hear them threatening
to resign over Agent Orange or the poor treatment accorded veterans.
I think Powell's attitude is particularly disturbing since many of the same
things are being said about gays as were said about blacks prior to their
integration into the military.

>Lifting the gay ban would be equivalent to ordering the military to cease
>the seperate but equal housing and only have unisex barracks and heads.
>Unless you could come up with seperate living quarters you will have a
>disaster on your hands.

I don't think anyone will even notice the difference.  There's no evidence
of any such problems in other armys that allow admitted homosexuals.

>Imagine how Mr. Clinton would feel if we made "First Lady" an elected position
>and elected a gay male to replace Hillary?

Huh?  That's a strange point.

-Terry
USMC
77-91


Newsgroups: soc.veterans,sci.aeronautics,rec.aviation.military
From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans,tx.politics
Subject: Re: Hazelwood Act
Date: 23 Jan 93 17:44:00 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <231.777.uupcb@dwarp.sccsi.com>, 
gene.ashley@dwarp.sccsi.com (Gene Ashley) writes...

>I am interested in any information concerning the Hazellwood ACT.
>Any info would be greatly appreciated. I am a 38 year old Texas
>Vet. attending collage here in Houston.  Thanks

Gene, what you want to know about is most likely the "Hinson-Hazelwood
Act." See section 54.203 under Higher Education in the Texas State Laws.

The "Hazelwood Act" is a loan program, very different than the 
"Hinson-Hazelwood" Act which is an outright grant. 

HHA basically pays the cost of *any* state provided courses, such
as from the University of Texas, or Texas A&M universities. First
off, you must have been a Texas resident when you joined the military
to be eligible. If you're an undergrad, then you have to go through
the formality of getting turned down for Federal aid to be eligible;
(this "hoop" is *not* required for vet grads, who automatically get 
their schooling paid for under the HHA). And anyone getting VEAP
isn't eligible till it runs out. Nor are active duty folks.

I used it for several semesters and then went back to paying my own
way, since it goes against my political and religious beliefs to 
take money from the state -- which is my own personal warp on the
world. It made it real hard for me to criticize the Super Collider
and all the Federal-Overspending -- so I quit taking it. 

It is certainly "free" money, and good deal if you need the help.
Ask around at any state school, and you can eventually find the
right people who know about it. Many of the folks involved with
financial aid or veterans affairs don't know about the HHA though, 
and it definitely does not apply to private schools. Nor does it
buy text books. It was worth about $500 a semester for a full load,
more now.

I'm pretty sure it works for continuing education courses and
seminars provided by state schools as well.

I don't think Texas law has changed in the past year or so
regarding HHA. If you find it's been canxed, please let us know.


The funny thing was I never heard about it while I was in the
service, and in fact only stumbled on it talking to a couple of
vets a couple of semesters after returning to school. I'd probably
gotten out after my second hitch if I'd known about it -- and 
become a burrocrat or some such.  

G'luck all, enjoy it if you can.

   |
-- J --
   |
   |  Stephen
From: tmo@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (thomas.m.o'neil)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: Input needed for NJ Vietnam Veterans' Memorial & Education Center
Keywords: Vietnam Veteran Memorial Education
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:54:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T


The New Jersey Vietnam Veterans' Memorial & Education Center Committe
is seeking assistance/guidance/recommendations on this statewide project.

The NJ Vietnam Veterans' Memorial/Education Center, to be located on the 
grounds of the NJ Garden State Arts Center in central NJ, is being
built for the following purposes:

 - The circular memorial structure, containing the names of NJ's 1512
   KIAs & MIAs, will preserve for posterity those who never returned
   to their loved ones
 - The 10,000 sq. foot Education Center will contain:
    - a museum area to preserve & display items related to the period
       (photographs, home movies, letters, uniforms, paintings, etc.)
    - classrooms & auditorium in which to have conferences & presentations
      relating to the period
    - audio/visual equipment (multimedia) for conferences w/remote locations
    - telecommunications (multimedia) for database/BBS/etc. access for
          academic research
    - library (audio, video, reference, fiction, non-fiction, studies, etc.)
          related to the period (pre, during, post) for academic research

The above info outlines the plans. What we need is help in the further
development of these ideas into specific plans. If anyone has access
to how others have done similar projects (research centers, libraries, etc.)
I would like to hear from you. We hope, with the proper funding (which is
being sought right now), to create a learning center through which
the American pubic, and veterans themselves, can learn more about
the complexities of the 'era', and through this knowledge have a more
complete understanding of our history. Most learning institutions
give the whole period from post-Korea to the end of the 70's a scant
page in a history book or a few hours of classroom discussion.
We hope to bring to our citizens of NJ a balanced view of a period
known as the most divisive since the Civil War.


Any ideas, comments, recommendations, etc., of a serious &
constructive nature may be sent to:

                   tmo@mtqua.att.com

Tom O'Neil
Trustee, NJ Vietnam Veterans'
   Memorial Foundation
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
From: dwn@bnl.gov (Dave Niebuhr)
Subject: test
Reply-To: dwn@bnl.gov
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:32:02 GMT

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Dave Niebuhr      Internet: niebuhr@bnl.gov / Bitnet: niebuhr@bnl
Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, NY 11973  (516)-282-3093


Newsgroups: soc.veterans,sci.aeronautics,rec.aviation.military
From: jem3@pyuxf.uucp (25312-mc killop)
Subject: Blue Angels Sked
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 14:22:28 GMT

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TABLE OF CONTENTS FOR NAVNEWS 007/93
   Top News and Policy Stories
NNS48.  DoD Announces 1993 Blue Angels Touring Schedule  
WASHINGTON (NNS) -- The Department of Defense recently announced
the 1993 touring schedule of the Navy's flight demonstration team,
the Blue Angels.  The schedule follows:
     March
20-21    NAF El Centro, California
28       NAS LeMoore, California
     April
3-4      Sanford, Florida
17-18    MCAS Cherry Point, North Carolina
24-25    MCAS Yuma, Arizona
     May
1-2      Yakima, Washington
8-9      Latrobe, Pennsylvania
15-16    Lexington, Kentucky
22       NAS Patuxent River, Maryland
24       U.S. Naval Academy, Annapolia, Maryland
29-30    Columbia, Missouri
     June
5-6      Kalamazoo, Michigan
12-13    NAS South Weymouth, Massachusetts
19-20    Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
26-27    Kankakee, Illinois
     July
3-4      Elmira, New York
10-11    NAS Whiting, Florida
17-18    Hibbing, Minnesota
24-25    Offutt AFB, Nebraska
31       Seattle, Washington
     August
1        Seattle, Washington
7-8      Eugene, Oregon
14-15    NAS Miramar, California
21-22    Wilkes-Barre/Scranton IAP, Avoca, Pennsylvania
28-29    Malmstrom AFB, Montana
     September
4-6      Cleveland, Ohio
11-12    NAS Oceana, Virginia
18-19    Reese AFB, Texas
25-26    Lafayette, Louisiana
     October
2-3      NAS Cecil Field, Florida
9        San Francisco, California
10       NWC China Lake, California
16-17    Hawaii
24       NAS Point Mugu, California
30-31    El Paso, Texas
     November
6-7      NAS Dallas, Texas
12-13    NAS Pensacola, Florida
                               -USN-
From: psjai@acad2.alaska.edu
Subject: <None>
Organization: University of Alaska
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:07:02 GMT

I served on riverboats of one kind or another in RVN from 68-70.  I spent a lot
of time between Cua Viet and Dong Ha, was at Tan My-Hue for a short time, and
was with Advisory Team 143 on Swifts.  I just read the post from the other guy
who had never been in contact with anyone since he left country and it started
me thinking that I would like to contact some of my old buddies.  I guess I
spent too may years trying to forget and burying everything, but I have spent
the last few years attempting to undo all that.  If any of you readers remember
me, ( or if anyone else just wants to talk), contact me. I especially would
like to hear from Dale Ratliff from KY and Allen Hill from NE.  Bear with me
because I am not to familiar with how this system works so I am not sure this
is even going to work.

Thanks---Irving Johnson (Big John)
    
Newsgroups: soc.veterans,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa,alt.activism
From: mike.brady@dwarp.sccsi.com (Mike Brady) 
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: River Divisions
Date: 23 Jan 93 20:25:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Data Warp Premium BBS - Spring/Houston, TX - 713-355-6107
Reply-To: mike.brady@dwarp.sccsi.com (Mike Brady) 


        ..................... Sat  01-23-1993  ...................

I'm looking for anyone who served in the river divisons in the IV Corp
from 1967 -1968.  If anyone remembers Riv Div III or has heard of a
place called Dong Tam, drop me a line.

I've been hangin out here for 24 years without a word from anyone I knew
back then.  It is time I talked with someone who experienced some of the
things I did during those years.  If anyone out there was there, I would
really like to hear from you.....

Racy Scalps Alpha One -- GMG1 - Riv Div III - "The River Rats"

                             .............
                             . **Brady** .
                             .............
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From: oshea@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (d.o'shea)
Subject: Some thoughts on the issue of gays in the military.
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:37:08 GMT


I think the issue of gays in the military is now a Constitutional Issue.
With the military voicing strong objection, the President does not
have any other option now but to issue the order.  The office of
the Presidency as Commander-in-Chief vs the Joint Chiefs is now the
issue.  Who now rules the military, the President or the Generals?
If the military can tell the President (the people) what to do or what
not to do, then we are all in danger.

If any officer cannot in good conscience comply with the directive, 
then he should resign, it is their duty to resign.  

I hope the directive gets issued immediately.  Not because I think its
a good idea, but because the military has hinted at threats.  The tremendous
power that we Americans have permitted to be created must remain under
the uncontested authority and control of the President.

DMO
USAF
66-70
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
From: dwn@bnl.gov (Dave Niebuhr)
Subject: test
Reply-To: dwn@bnl.gov
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:35:18 GMT

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Dave Niebuhr      Internet: niebuhr@bnl.gov / Bitnet: niebuhr@bnl
Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, NY 11973  (516)-282-3093
From: gene.ashley@dwarp.sccsi.com (Gene Ashley) 
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: Hazellwood Act
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:04:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Data Warp Premium BBS - Spring/Houston, TX - 713-355-6107
Reply-To: gene.ashley@dwarp.sccsi.com (Gene Ashley) 

I am intersested in any information concerning the Hazellwood ACT.
Any info would be greatly appreceiated. I am a 38 year old Texas
Vet. attending collage here in Houston.  Thanks
                                                                            
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From: dwaddell@pyrman2.mis.pyramid.com (David Waddell)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the issue of gays in the military.
Summary: Bias,Honor,Service
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:58:57 GMT
Distribution: usa


I have to agree with the original poster on all points and I would like to 
add a few observations of my own.

The whole issue looks like what happened when the military was ordered to
intergrate Black soldiers into all white units. There were cries of "loss of
moral", "loss of effectiveness", "unknown consequences", etc. It is a fact
that homosexual soldiers have served in every army of every nation since the
beginning of recorded history(and further back). These soldiers have fought
and died along side their comrades for all of the reasons that a man or
woman decides to serve in the military.

I admit to being strongly homophobic in my youth and even when I was in 
the Marine Corps but I think I have grown up a little since then.

Just my two cents. Take it or leave it.

USMC
1980-1984
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
From: johne@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (John Eaton)
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the issue of gays in the military.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:23:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

David Waddell (dwaddell@pyrman2.mis.pyramid.com) wrote:
: 
: 
: The whole issue looks like what happened when the military was ordered to
: intergrate Black soldiers into all white units. There were cries of "loss of
: moral", "loss of effectiveness", "unknown consequences", etc. It is a fact
: that homosexual soldiers have served in every army of every nation since the
: beginning of recorded history(and further back). These soldiers have fought
: and died along side their comrades for all of the reasons that a man or
: woman decides to serve in the military.
: ----------------------
A better analogy would be the intregration of women into the armed services.
The current situation can best be described as "Seperate but Equal". Men and
woman may work, train and fight together but they do not sleep, shower or sh*t
together. The biggest reason why women have not achieved full parity in the
Navy is the inability of the Navy to house women on combat ships.

The military is not a 9 to 5 job. The problem with gays has nothing to do
with working together and everything to do with living together. In the
military you are forced into living in close quarters with the people
you work with. The reason we have seperate male and female quarters is that
there is a basic sexual attraction between men and women and we will not
force anyone to expose themselves to someone who lusts after their body.

Lifting the gay ban would be equivalent to ordering the military to cease
the seperate but equal housing and only have unisex barracks and heads.
Unless you could come up with seperate living quarters you will have a
disaster on your hands.


Imagine how Mr. Clinton would feel if we made "First Lady" an elected position
and elected a gay male to replace Hillary?



John Eaton
!hp-vcd!johne
From: bergman@afnews.pa.af.mil (CMSgt Mike Bergman)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: Army News 01/26/93
Date: 27 Jan 1993 08:45:07 -0600
Organization: Hq Air Force News Agency/SCC
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

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Reserve medal 'M' device established
 
    WASHINGTON (ARNEWS) -- The Defense Department recently 
approved the establishment of a bronze "M" device for reserve 
component medals.
    The Reserve Component Mobilization Appurtenance to Reserve 
Medals will identify past, current and future service of 
members of the National Guard and Reserve who volunteer or are 
called to active duty in certain circumstances, according to 
defense officials.
    Reservists "who volunteer for and serve on active duty, or 
who are called or ordered to active duty make special 
sacrifices in service to the nation that merit special 
recognition," said Deputy Secretary Donald Atwood in a 
memorandum authorizing the device.
    Specific regulations for issue and wear of the 'M' device 
are forthcoming, officials said.
    (From a DoD release.)


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Newsgroups: soc.politics.arms-d
From: GROSS@BCVMS.BITNET (Rob Gross)
Subject: Arms-Discussion Digest V11 #1
Reply-To: Arms-L Mailing List <ARMS-L@BUACCA.BITNET>
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:37:00 GMT

Subject: Arms Discussion Digest                                   V11 #1


From: Rob Gross (moderator)
 <GROSS@BCVMS.BITNET/GROSS@BCVMS.BC.EDU>
Sunday, January 24, 1993, 16:31 EST
Arms Discussion Digest
Volume 11 : Issue 1

All submissions to ARMS-L@BUACCA.BU.EDU (ARMS-L@BUACCA.BITNET)
Please do not post articles, as they have a high probability
of being lost.

Today's topics:

  NY times article on Aurora (Mark T. Card)
  Blue Angels' 1993 Schedule (Shane)

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 16:03:11 CST
From: "Mark T. Card" <N091BL@TAMVM1.BITNET>
Subject: NY times article on Aurora

I saw a NY times article on Monday which said that there was
little likelihood that the US actually had a prototype to replace
the Aurora.  The US govt.  denied that they were testing anything
in Nevada or California (surprise!) and they quoted some experts
that said that the Russian/French team was further along on their
scramjet technology.  I had heard earlier that scramjets weren't
the direction th US was going with; from what I understand,
they're using pulsed propulsion with constant acceleration.  Has
anyone read the same article?  Any opinions?  This is the first
article I've heard that has said there is no Aurora.  It doesn't
seem to flow with the rest of the scuttlebutt.

Just wondering,

Mark T. Card
Texas A&M University

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 08:38 PDT
From: DEICHMAN@cisco.nosc.mil (Shane)
Subject: Blue Angels' 1993 Schedule

NNS48.  DoD Announces 1993 Blue Angels Touring Schedule
WASHINGTON (NNS) -- The Department of Defense recently announced
the 1993 touring schedule of the Navy's flight demonstration team,
the Blue Angels.  The schedule follows:

     March
20-21    NAF El Centro, Calif.
28       NAS LeMoore, Calif.
     April
3-4      Sanford, Fla.
17-18    MCAS Cherry Point, N.C.
24-25    MCAS Yuma, Ariz.
     May
1-2      Yakima, Wash.
8-9      Latrobe, Pa.
15-16    Lexington, Ky.
22       NAS Patuxent River, Md.
24       U.S. Naval Academy, Md.
29-30    Columbia, Mo.
     June
5-6      Kalamazoo, Mich.
12-13    NAS South Weymouth, Mass.
19-20    Oklahoma City, Okla.
26-27    Kankakee, Ill.
     July
3-4      Elmira, N.Y.
10-11    NAS Whiting, Fla.
17-18    Hibbing, Minn.
24-25    Offutt AFB, Neb.
31       Seattle, Wash.
     August
1        Seattle, Wash.
7-8      Eugene, Ore.
14-15    NAS Miramar, Calif.
21-22    Avoca, Pa.
28-29    Malmstrom AFB, Mont.
     September
4-6      Cleveland, Ohio
11-12    NAS Oceana, Va.
18-19    Reese AFB, TX.
25-26    Lafayette, La.
     October
2-3      NAS Cecil Field, Fla.
9        San Francisco, Calif.
10       NWC China Lake, Calif.
16-17    Hawaii
24       NAS Point Mugu, Calif.
30-31    El Paso, Texas
     November
6-7      NAS Dallas, Texas
12-13    NAS Pensacola, Fla.



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