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From: chyang@paronomasia.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: PAC-10 vs. Big-10 (was Re: Mediocracy vs Money)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 18:02:18 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa
Originator: chyang@paronomasia.engin.umich.edu


In article <BILLMS.92Nov19185113@gip.eecs.umich.edu>, billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
> In article <1992Nov19.202837.21682@serval.net.wsu.edu> jjungbau@meriadoc.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
> 
>    No kidding!  It's especially ridiculous that the Big Ten will probably
>    have as many or more teams in bowls than the PAC-10.  Every time I hear
>    about Iowa going to the Copper Bowl at 6-5 I cringe, knowing that WSU is
>    more deserving.  Even if we lose the Apple Cup, at 7-4, we're still better
>    than Iowa.
> 
> What teams has WSU lost to, and which ones has it beaten? 

	WSU lost to some PAC-10 team.  And beat some PAC-10 teams.
half of which, not including WSU are ranked top twenty five.  
WSU played at least 5 ranked teams this year.  Maybe more depending on
their non-conference schedule.

- Chung Yang.

> Iowa has lost to
> several ranked teams, and looked pretty darn good through the year.  They
> gave Miami a game, though not a real scare.
> 
> Bill
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> 	Bill Mangione-Smith
> 	billms@eecs.umich.edu
From: zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: TEXAS aTm - got screwed
Keywords: n
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:28:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Amoco Production


>
>>        After all, the Aggies topped
>>        Stanford, which blitzed Notre Dame, by the way who put
>>        a tie on the unblemished record of Michigan.  The Ags, also
>>        defeated Houston handidly, which manhandled Illinois,
>>        who also tied Michigan and who also ripped Ohio State ---
>>        the top two teams in the Big Ten.
>
>Yea, Illinois beat Ohio State, who beat Syracuse, who beat Texas, who beat
                                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>everyone else in the SWC (and will beat A&M).  Sorry, bud, but noone on
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>this newsgroup is stupid enough to believe in the Law of Transitivity
>like you....
>
>Pat

Wow! Texas beat TCU when TCU scored more...  you heard it here first...
of course FSU has been saying the same for years with its series with
Miami...  ;-)

cmuck
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From: jagreath@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH ALAN GREATHOUSE)
Subject: Re: NCSU to the Orange Bowl! (correction)
Originator: jagreath@c00471-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jagreath@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH ALAN GREATHOUSE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:20:52 GMT


In article <1992Nov20.022531.12659@ncsu.edu>, delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
>  Alabama loses to Auburn... :)
>-- 
>delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu

Actually, if 'Bama loses to Florida and FSU moves into #2 ahead of A&M, then
there is a good chance that NC State, as the ACC runner up, will play Nebraska
in the Orange Bowl.  I just became a Gator fan.... :) That would also set up
the Fiesta Bowl as Miami (#1) vs. Florida State (#2) in the "National
Championship" game.





      
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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: MIGHTY MICHIGAN ... and notre dame
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:06:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.By6qJu.35L
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

In article <By4z6G.CI4@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Beckham) writes:
>But really... if we go by records, they're 1st in the Big-10... but when you 
>step back and look at the whole picture... maybe they shouldn't be 1st in the 
>Big-10.  Who you might ask???  I don't really know... maybe Ohio State...
>maybe Illinois... :-)

	I'm glad there's a smiley at the end of the last line, Jeff...

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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: HAWKEYE BOWL CHANCES 
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:58:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.150509@IASTATE.EDU> rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W  
Turner) writes:
> If Iowa beats Minnesota this weekend and
> Michigan state loses to Illinois, both very
> real possibilities, then Iowa will be (6-6) and
> will receive a bid to play in the Holiday Bowl.

> I think this would be a travesty

No 6-6 team deserves a bowl bid.  I wouldn't be
suprised if Iowa would decline if possible.

But it is the "Thrifty" Holiday Bowl, so maybe the
Hawkeyes will line their pockets...I'm sure the
Big-10 will make them go if all other Big-10 teams
that are elgible to bowl go somewhere else.

Money is money, anyway.  This bowl situation reminds
me too much of the NHL or NBA, except there is no winner.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Penn State Should Withdraw
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1992Nov18.124132.20636@lgc.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:56:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.124132.20636@lgc.com> mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak) writes:

   In article <BILLMS.92Nov17142033@gip.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
   >In article <168A2A8EA.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com> JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
   >
   >   This posting is for all the Penn State assholes who said last year that
   >   Notre Dame didn't belong in a bowl game.  If you are a Penn State fan
   >   first, my condolences, second, this posting is not for you.
   >
   >Are bowls a reward for having a winning record, or for being a solid team?
   >If the former, then you can't hold the weaker parts of their schedule against
   >them, since thats what helps get wins.  If the latter, then a reasonable
					    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   >conclusion from your post is that ND and Miami probably don't belong in a
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   >bowl either, since both of them could easily have lost to PSU.  But if your
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


   Non-sequitur penalty.  15 yards and loss of down.  :-)

Its not a non-sequitur at all.  If PSU stinks, and their opposition plays a
good game against them, then its reasonable to conclude that their opposition
stinks (read that carefully, I didn't say that *I* conclude that).  If the
bowls are only for good teams, then stinky teams don't belong.  Thus teams
that play well (i.e. don't destroy themselves) against PSU don't belong, if
you agree with the original assumption that PSU doesn't belong and you
believe that the bowls are a reward for being a good team (and not a reward
for simply having a good record, though the two certainly are closely
correlated).

I *think* you meant to say that my conclusion is wrong since Miami and ND
clearly do belong in prime NYD bowls, but if thats the case you misunderstood
my conclusion. 

Bill
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From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Penn State Should Withdraw
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:03:12 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <BILLMS.92Nov17142033@gip.eecs.umich.edu>, billms@eecs.umich.edu (Wil
liam Mangione-Smith) writes:
>In article <168A2A8EA.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com> JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>
>   This posting is for all the Penn State assholes who said last year that
>   Notre Dame didn't belong in a bowl game.  If you are a Penn State fan
>   first, my condolences, second, this posting is not for you.
>
>   Let's see, PSU talks the Lackluster Bowl into offering them a bid BEFORE
>   the season even starts.  Then those brave Paternoes play the rough and
>   tumble schedule which includes Cincinnati, Temple, Eastern Michigan,
>   Maryland, and Rutgers.  Their record is now 6-4, they're out of the top
    ^^^^^^^^
>   25 teams, and they are going to a bowl game.  In short, PSU stinks.
>   Oh, did I mention the criminal indictments?
>
>   If Penn State has any integrity at all, they will reject the offer to play
>   in the Lackluster Bowl and let a team that is deserving go.
>   I think playing a 3-7 Pittsburgh team at home is reward enough for this
>   year's team.  Let that be their bowl game.
>
>Are bowls a reward for having a winning record, or for being a solid team?
>If the former, then you can't hold the weaker parts of their schedule against
>them, since thats what helps get wins.  If the latter, then a reasonable
>conclusion from your post is that ND and Miami probably don't belong in a
>bowl either, since both of them could easily have lost to PSU.  But if your
>just getting a few jabs in for the flack ND caught last year, never mind.
>Your probably entitled, though I thought Bettis brought the point home pretty
>strongly.
>
>Bill
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>       Bill Mangione-Smith
>       billms@eecs.umich.edu
>
This past weekend Maryland made perennial ACC power clemson look like a sand
lot team, sure Maryland has a poor record vrs PSU, but the Shitney lions are a
bunch of fairy ass cheaters, just give us a few (45) more games, we'll even
the score.  Also allow me to praise Mark Duffner who may just be the best
coach in football period.  Watch them run roughshod over the ACC in the years
to come and bring home the national championship to College Park for the
second time.  We did it in the fifties, we'll do it again.  Also, how many PSU
qb's are currently in the NFL?  Compare to the number of terps!
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From: landers@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Hazard Class Mage)
Subject: Why doesn't Ohio slide into Kentucky?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:17:16 GMT


Because Michigan sucks!

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Beckham)
Subject: Re: MIGHTY MICHIGAN ... and notre dame
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:18:01 GMT

milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC)) writes:
>In article <1992Nov22.003609.1014@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@mauchly.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>>In my (obviously biased) opinion ... Michigan is
>>not even a top 15 team.  The only thing they've
>>done was tie Notre Dame.  They played poorly
>>agsint Purdue, Illinois, and Ohio State ...
>>I don't even think they're the best team in the
>>Big 10 ...           
>If not Michigan, then which team do you believe IS the best team 
>in the BIG10 this year? I like to hear your logic explaining why.

I don't really know who could be the number one team in the Big-10 right now,
but you think that Michigan really deserves it???  I mean thier (your) record
is 8-0-_3_!!!  Sure... no losses... but THREE TIES!!!  One of which was to an
unranked Big-10 team (Illinois... of course!!)  There was the tie with Notre
Dame... not a bad game.  But at times, Michigan was LOSING to Purdue!!!  And 
also during the tie with Illinois, Michigan was losing.  Now, yet another tie
with Ohio State!!!  I can't really comment on that game because I didn't see it.
But really... if we go by records, they're 1st in the Big-10... but when you 
step back and look at the whole picture... maybe they shouldn't be 1st in the 
Big-10.  Who you might ask???  I don't really know... maybe Ohio State...
maybe Illinois... :-)


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						      beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
 					 	  Computer Science/Mathematics
                                    University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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From: tonyf@rm1.interlan.com (Tony Fernandez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bowl Matchups
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:07:02 GMT
Organization: Racal-Milgo, Sunrise, Florida

In article <1992Nov16.224523.16609@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, brook@l42bb.jsc.nasa.gov) (Mike Brookover) writes:

>From what has been written in the Houston papers, FSU can (and will) avoid the
>Cotton Bowl because they played in the game last year.  This is allegedly one
>of the rules in the bowl coalition.  FSU will probably play Nebraska in the
>Orange Bowl.  If A&M is such an easy win...why wouldn't FSU jump at the
>chance??  And why has Miami said in no uncertain terms that they will not play
>A&M in the Cotton Bowl?
>
>later,
>
>mgb

I really don't think that the AD's take into account how easy will it be
to win the game when deciding what bowl to go to.  IMHO money is the main
factor, except when the possibility of playing #1 exists.  

There were rumors of Miami bypassing the Cotton if Alabama loses, but that
was before Nebraska and Michigan failed to win last week's games.  Right
now, if Miami continues to win, I they won't have any choice were they go
unless Alabama, A&M and FSU all lose and Washington becomes #2.

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From: hintzman@hpljah.hpl.hp.com (Jeff Hintzman)
Subject: Re: Stanford 1993
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:04:54 GMT
Reply-To: hintzman@hpljah.hpl.hp.com
Organization: HP IC Business Division R&D, Palo Alto, CA

In article <1992Nov20.000903.8184@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM>, bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Terry Bartlett) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov19.193450.24177@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
|> >Here is the Stanford Cardinal schedule for next year, according
|> >to yesterday's SJ Merc:
|> >
|> > 9/11	@ San Jose State
|> 
|> Is this right?  They're actually going to play AT San Jose?  Isn't
|> that a first?
|> 

My shedule shows it as a home game for Stanford.  I can't imagine it not
being at Stanford Stadium, since this game consistently draws 
50 - 60,000.

|> >--Gidi
|> >
|> >PS - I hear they're playing a game this weekend, too.  I hope they
|> >do okay.
|> 
|> Well, I don't know. . .it is the 10th anniversary of that horrible,
|> horrible day in 1982.  I know I'll never forget my first Big Game.
|> 
It was my first Big Game, too.  Actually, for me 1986 was almost as bad
because you could see it coming almost from the very start of the game.

1990 was sweet, however.  Hauled the tape of that game out last night and
watched it.  I had forgotten how much of the Stanford offense was based
around Glyn Milburn that year.  It is much more balanced now.  During the
last, nerve-wracking time-outs, there is the little huddle of Denny Green,
QB Jason Palumbis, second-string QB Steve Smith, and third-string QB
John Lynch.  Lynch is now starter at free safety, for those who don't know.

Cal is a very talented team, despite their record.  I do not think it
would be a huge upset for them to beat Stanford.  However, the seniors
on this team seem to be raising the intensity level of the team from 
the middle of the season, when they played some truly lackluster games
agains Arizona, Oregon St. and Washington.   There's no reason that
Cal shouldn't be up for this game, although last year they were far too
"up" and got carried away with themselves.  I doubt they will make that
mistake again.

Should be a good one.  As one poster has already pointed out, it's in 
Berkeley, so it will be weird.

|> 
|> Terry Bartlett			   bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM
|> Sun Microsystems		   BEAT CAL! BEAT CAL! BEAT CAL!
|> Rocky Mountain Technology Center   BEAT CAL! BEAT CAL! BEAT CAL!
|> Colorado Springs, CO        	   BEAT CAL! BEAT CAL! BEAT CAL!

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Michigan: The Great Paper Tiger
Organization: University of Michigan
	<BxtqEE.JL2@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
	<1992Nov16.201557.2778@zip.eecs.umich.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:40:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.201557.2778@zip.eecs.umich.edu> yoonho@taipei.eecs.umich.edu (Yoonho Park) writes:

   Greg writes (in response to Bill's post):

   >Hey GUY, I hope your future responses are a tad more polite.

   Uh, when did Bill post a rude response to you?  I know Bill.  He's a
   nice guy.  Well, when you're fighting him for a rebound under the glass
   he's not a nice guy, but that's different.  I think you might be
   interpreting some of his sarcasm as rudeness.

Thanks for the support, Yoon.  I owe you one.  Maybe i'll wear elbow pads
next time I'm in town.  (Yoon knows my sarcasm well enough to read the
implied smiley here, and he also knows that with elbow pads my miniscule
inside game would evaporate, so we both know he's out of luck here).

In Gregs defense, in my responce to the same note you are responding to here,
I called him an "ass" since he called me and all michigan fans "obnoxious".
Hey, its cheap, but it seemed appropriate.  In any case, maybe he was just
preparing for my responce.

Bill
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From: chyang@westquad.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: 4 YARDS AWAY FROM SYRACUSE UPSET.. MIAMI, 16-10..
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 20:01:13 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: chyang@westquad.engin.umich.edu


In article <1992Nov23.003105.1540@colorado.edu>, manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:
> In article <1992Nov22.084853.19779@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu (brian h. harper) writes:
> >delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> I CAN"T BELIEVE IT!!! 5 SECONDS TO GO, AND GRAVES COMPLETES A PASS TO THE
> >>FOUR YARD LINE, NO TIME OUTS!!!!! MIAMI WINS 16-10... UGH!! UGH!! UGH!!!!!
> >
> >Miami has come SO close to losing SO many times!!! Not a very convincing #1.
> >I look forward to seeing Alabama and Texas A&M to see if they're more
> >deserving. Being on west coast, I haven't seen either yet. 'til then I have
> >to think FSU is the best team out there. Despite the missed field goal.
> 
> Are you talking about the FSU team which lost to Miami (at home?)?
> Yeah, right!
> 
> FYI, the field goal would have tied the game for FSU. Same goes for other
> penn state game.
> 
> No wonder they don't ask your vote for AP poll!
> 
> Miami played the games close because
> 
> 1) They were playing very good football teams (FSU, Syracuse, Penn State)
> 2) All these were on the road! (exception being Arizona who were playing 
> great football until last week)

 3)  There wasn't a snow storm like that one UW encountered at WSU. :-)

> 
> I bet if they play TCU and other pasties A&M and Alabama and FSU plays, they
> will win big.
> 
> >-Brian Harper
> 
> Njan
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From: ryan@pi.cs.fsu.edu (John Ryan)
Subject: Re: 4 YARDS AWAY FROM SYRACUSE UPSET.. MIAMI, 16-10..
Reply-To: ryan@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 13:44:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.003105.1540@colorado.edu> manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:
>In article <1992Nov22.084853.19779@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu (brian h. harper) writes:
>>delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I CAN"T BELIEVE IT!!! 5 SECONDS TO GO, AND GRAVES COMPLETES A PASS TO THE
>>>FOUR YARD LINE, NO TIME OUTS!!!!! MIAMI WINS 16-10... UGH!! UGH!! UGH!!!!!
>>
>>Miami has come SO close to losing SO many times!!! Not a very convincing #1.
>>I look forward to seeing Alabama and Texas A&M to see if they're more
>>deserving. Being on west coast, I haven't seen either yet. 'til then I have
>>to think FSU is the best team out there. Despite the missed field goal.
>
>Are you talking about the FSU team which lost to Miami (at home?)?
                                                        ^^^^^^^^^^
The game was played in Miami.

>Yeah, right!
>
>FYI, the field goal would have tied the game for FSU. Same goes for other
>penn state game.
>
>No wonder they don't ask your vote for AP poll!
>
>Miami played the games close because
>
>1) They were playing very good football teams (FSU, Syracuse, Penn State)
>2) All these were on the road! (exception being Arizona who were playing 
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Again...

>great football until last week)
>
>I bet if they play TCU and other pasties A&M and Alabama and FSU plays, they
>will win big.
>
>>-Brian Harper
>
>Njan


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