From: vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: Re: Spoken Like a True ProLifer
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 07:53:00 GMT

kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:

>In article <C01u1B.7H9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () writes:
>>hsims@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>>
>>>In a previous article, vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu wrote:
>>>>
>>>>The resistance you hear from "us" concerning social programs is not
>>>>a result of our lack of respect or concern for human life, rather it is
>>>>from the opposite, our concern for human life.  Creating a welfare state
>>>>inhibits people's belief in themselves, promotes and reinforces their
>>>>feelings of helplessness rather than encouraging the desire to change their
>>>>situation by themselves, and punishes those who have accepted the 
>>>>responsibility for their own destiny (ie. people who work).
>>
>>>Really, those poor, homeless, and hungry children should just take 
>>>responsibility for their lives and find a job.  Funding programs such as 
>>>WIC will just encourage infants and children to be lazy bums.
>>
>>Those poor, homeless and hungry children should have had parents responsible
>>enough to realize they couldn't afford to feed children.  If they could
>>have controlled their hormones there wouldn't be a problem.  

>It is far more realistic to subsidize abortion, maybe even to incentivize it,
>than to rely on people "controlling their hormones", and it achieves the same
>economic result, i.e. reduction of the birth rate among poor people.

Ahh.. I see.  You don't think poor people are capable of making intelligent
decisions by themselves.  You want to make sure you hold their hand since
you are so superior.  

Your statement that the desired result is the "reduction of the birth rate
among poor people" is insulting and narrow-minded.  The desired result
is protect the children, born and unborn.  

>>You tell me which
>>is the worse crime, society refusing to pay deadbeats or deadbeats knowingly
>>bringing children into the world whom they cannot feed.  

>In my opinion...

>The WORST "crime" is to let children starve. 

Is murder a lesser crime than neglect?

>The second-worst "crime" is to interfere with a woman's decision to abort,
>either by mandating or forbidding abortion.

Is murder a lesser crime than this?   

>The third-worst "crime" is for government to start interfering in sexual
>relations between consenting adults by telling them to "control their
>hormones" or whatever.

Is murder a lesser crime than this?

>Fourth on my list of "crimes" is for taxpayers to end up supporting children 
>of poor people who are otherwise unable to support them adequately themselves.
>Look at our GNP sometime -- we can easily provide this support.

Well then.. since you seem to think murder is okay to end economic problems,
why don't you just run out and kill all the homeless, welfare families,
unemployed, and elderly.  

[snip]

>>Abortion is murder.  It's not a question of just the mother's life, but also
>>the baby's.  The laws of this country already state that murder is wrong so
>>in fact the state already has control over this issue.  

>Has any state ever successfully prosecuted any woman for "murder", because 
>she aborted, even BEFORE _Roe v. Wade_? If not, what's your basis for citing
>"the laws of this country" in support of your contention that "abortion is
>murder"?

Of course not.. The women involved are not the murderers.  The abortionists
are the murderers.  I have written on this extensively in this group
and I'm not going to repeat myself just because you can't keep up.  

Your assumption with this stupid argument is that just because no one
has every been successfully prosecuted of this before, that it is unreasonable
to expect them to be prosecuted for it in the future.  Cocaine used to be
legal.  Now it isn't.. is this something you can't understand?  


>								- Kevin

It might help your ability to debate here if you were remotely familiar
with the real facts of the issue, and with what has been said here.  


Edward Simmonds

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