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From: horvath@skinner.cs.wisc.edu (Jeff Horvath)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: SABRES Update: Ottawa, Crossroads, LaFontaine
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:08:00 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <1992Nov7.081244.21331@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
>horvath@skinner.cs.wisc.edu (Jeff Horvath) wrote:
>>The
>>loss to the Rangers lent credence to my algorithm for the Sabres - if they
>>allow more than 4 goals, they lose.  if they allow 4 of fewer goals, they win
>>or tie.
>
>That's pretty much true for all teams. By the end of the season, look for
>every team to be <.500 when they give up 4+ goals and >.500 when they give up
><3 goals. Here're this season's stats so far:
>
>Records in Games with >3 GA
> # TEAM                   GP   W  L  T  PTS   PCT   GF  GA  +/-  GFPG GAPG
>-- ---------------------  --  -- -- --  --- -----  --- ---  ---  ---- ----
> 9 Buffalo Sabres          8   2  5  1    5  .313   38  43   -5  4.75 5.37
>
>Records in Games with <4 GA
> # TEAM                   GP   W  L  T  PTS   PCT   GF  GA  +/-  GFPG GAPG
>-- ---------------------  --  -- -- --  --- -----  --- ---  ---  ---- ----
> 7 Buffalo Sabres          5   4  0  1    9  .900   31  10   21  6.20 2.00

I don't know the specifics, but as far as the Sabres go...

Records in Games with >4 GA
 # TEAM                   GP   W  L  T  PTS   PCT   GF  GA  +/-  GFPG GAPG
-- ---------------------  --  -- -- --  --- -----  --- ---  ---  ---- ----
 ? Buffalo Sabres          6   0  6  0    0  .000   ??  ??   ??  ???? ????

Records in Games with <5 GA
 # TEAM                   GP   W  L  T  PTS   PCT   GF  GA  +/-  GFPG GAPG
-- ---------------------  --  -- -- --  --- -----  --- ---  ---  ---- ----
 ? Buffalo Sabres          8   6  0  2   14 >.900   ??  ??   ??  ???? ????

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From: p7z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Anthony Jang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: What is a good trade? (was Re: Oates-Janney Trade revisited)
Date: 11 Nov 1992 02:10:04 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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A good trade makes a team better.  If it pushes them to win the cup,
great, but if it gives them more wins during the regular season, then
that's great too.

There is no sure fire in NHL, it's all a matter of probability.  The
probability of Hartford winning the cup is .01, but if they traded away
there star players(??) and draft picks for Steve Yzerman, then there
odds would improve.  

Nobody can pinpoint a particular trade to be
the exact cause of making a team a "Cup contender".  Messier was
supposed to give the Rangers that magic, if they'd won the cup everybody
would have said Messier was the reason, but they didn't.  Did the
Penguins win because of Francis and Ulf or because of Jim Paek's inspired
play.

In summary, if a trade increases the team's likelihood of winning, then
that is a good trade.

Just my thoughts,
Tony
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Semenov
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:17:59 GMT

In article <VANDER.92Nov12181428@vancouver.stars.flab.Fujitsu.co.jp> vander@flab.fujitsu.co.jp (Mike van der Velden) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.205305.21529@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>> In article <VANDER.92Nov9140311@vancouver.stars.flab.Fujitsu.co.jp> vander@flab.fujitsu.co.jp (Mike van der Velden) writes:
>> >What's the deal with this guy?  Why did Edmonton leave him
>> >unprotected, and why was Tampa Bay willing to let him go for
>> >so little?  Does he have a bad attitude, as one poster mentioned?
>> 
>> Edmonton has two 30-plus year old centers already in MacTavish and
>> Nicholls, and had to make room for the new generation...Tyler Wright
>> and Vladimir Vujtek.  There is nothing wrong with Semenov except 
>> for perhaps a low pain threshold.  The Oilers just couldn't afford
>> to protect so many older centers in the expansion draft.
>
>Well, if they have (what I assume to be) a young Russian coming up,
>why wouldn't they want to keep Semenov around as a mentor, and leave
>MacTavish (or another older player) unprotected?
> 

Technically, Vujtek is Czechoslovakian, I think...

MacTavish, with Messier and Lowe gone, is now the epitome of what it
means to be an Oiler, and is a more than suitable mentor for young
centers.  Nicholls is just a more consistent offensive center...and
Semenov has been somewhat injury-prone.  It was just a numbers game...
the Oilers didn't dislike Semenov, they just had other younger players
that had to be protected.  

Gerald
From: kellejb2@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jeff Keller)
Subject: IHL parent clubs
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:18:19 GMT

Could someone out there mail me a list of the IHL teams' parent clubs?


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From: 002111m@ace.acadiau.ca (SCOTT BORDEN MACDONALD)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Possible Calgary trades???
Keywords: Vernon, Cullen, Hawerchuk
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:02:46 GMT
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In article <Bx99rp.GHJ@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> kjmcrae@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (insert name here) writes:
>From: kjmcrae@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (insert name here)
>Subject: Possible Calgary trades???
>Keywords: Vernon, Cullen, Hawerchuk
>Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:23:48 GMT
>I keep hearing rumours that the Flames are shopping around for a
>good play-making centre and are willing to part with Mike Vernon to 
>get one (due to their apparent surplus of goalies).   
>
>A couple names I've heard tossed around in these rumours are John  
>Cullen and Dale Hawerchuk.  Are Cullen and/or Ducky not happy where 
>they are now??  Are their contracts up after this season?  What's up?!
>
>Has anybody heard anything more about the possibility of either of these
>trades (or any major one involving Calgary) going down??
>
>...km
>"I'm a man who respects a good coma." - J.Seinfeld  

The trade rumours are pretty accurate, I think that Dvae King has sort of 
made Vernon, the unofficial third string keeper, and the Flames have not 
exaclty suffered and bad effects so far, the only problem with the Flames 
trading him is they lose the experience of having a 30 wins + multi-season 
goalie, and that could hurt, however, they should get rid of him soon, at 
least while his market value is still favorable. I have heard the rumours 
out of Calgary, (I'm from there so I have connections) and the latest scoop 
is simply that Vernon, will be traded when the time is right, now if that 
time is before christmas, or even this season, well iguess it remains to be 
seen, As far as possible trades, they are telling me look for one with 
Hartford. Dave King is hopefully not gonna screw up like ole' Dougie boy did.
Cullen is looking promising, but it is hard to say.
Wait and see.
scott.
From: hp@mdavcr.mda.ca (Hossein Parandeh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Pat Quinn on Canucks' defence
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:25:16 GMT
Organization: MacDonald Dettwiler, 13800 Commerce Parkway, Richmond, BC, Canada  V6V 2J3

In this morning's Vancouver Province newspaper, Pat Quinn had this to say
about his club's defence (posted here with permission from -Rob):

"If I had the answer, immediately I would have fixed it three weeks ago.
 It was very good for the first four games; it was OK in Chicago, it
 stunk in Pittsburgh...it's gone downhill since."

Also, while am at it, the paper had this to say about Kevin Lowe's situation:

"With Quebec caliming they've opted out of the Kevin Lowe sweepstakes, his
 latest destination has been narrowed to New York Rangers, Philly or Montreal.
 Vincent Damphousse put in his word on the advisability of the Habs acquiring
 the veteran defenceman, calling Lowe the 'greatest leader (he's) ever played
 with.' The Habs are offering J.J. Daigneault."
From: p7z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Anthony Jang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Just Wondering about Clinton
Date: 7 Nov 1992 09:52:38 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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I am not too sure if everyone understood my weak attempt at a joke, but back
when the Penguins went to the WhiteHouse after they beat the North Stars,
President Bush gave a speech about how great Lemieux was and etc.  When
Lemieux presented Bush with a jersey Bush said "And you are??" to which
he replied "I am Mario Lemieux"

I don't know what happened this year though.

Tony

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From: bart@splunge.uucp (Barton Oleksy)
Subject: Re: Semenov
Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:40:41 GMT

vander@flab.fujitsu.co.jp (Mike van der Velden) writes:

>What's the deal with this guy?  Why did Edmonton leave him
>unprotected, and why was Tampa Bay willing to let him go for
>so little?  Does he have a bad attitude, as one poster mentioned?

I think the reasons for leaving Semenov (and Mark Lamb, and others)
unprotected are that there were other players deemed more important
to protect (i.e. more appealing to other teams to pick up on waivers),
plus Semenov is older (28?  30?) and the Oilers are definitely on a
youth movement.  I think they didn't expect TB to pick him up, or
at least hoped!  Most Oiler fans liked Semenov - plays hard, not
afraid of the corners or a little tussle, worked hard, good playmaker.
Canucks got a steal, in my opinion!

>He seems to be working out well, so far.  Do he and Bure speak 
>the same language, besides broken English?  (I'm assuming that
>Larionov and Bure could do so as well).   If so, this might be a skill
>of Semenov's that neither Edmonton nor Tampa Bay could adequately tap
>into.

I think you're right on the money here.  Same reason the Pens picked
up Jiri Hrdina from Calgary a few years ago...to bring along a young
lad named Jaromir Jagr!

Bart, Edmonton Alberta
bart@splunge.uucp
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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: LIGHTNING NEWS: TB vs. NY Rangers 11/9
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:12:23 GMT

TB  - 1 2 2 - 5
NYR - 0 0 1 - 1

1 - TB  Kontos 15   (Bradley, Bureau)  14:11

2 - TB  Hamrlik 3   (Andersson, Cole)   7:56
    TB  Kontos 16   (Creighton, Beers) 17:04 (sh)

3 - TB  Zamuner 3   (Tucker)            5:52
    TB  Andersson 3 (Hartman, Hodge)   14:13
    NYR Turcotte 7  (Graves, Leetch)   16:30 (pp)

-----

* Lightning rout Rangers, 5-1

The New York Rangers expected Chris Kontos to have some great nights at Madison
Square Garden when they drafted him in 1982.

Ten years later, he did.

Kontos notched his 15th and 16th goals of the year as the Tampa Bay Lightning
defeated the Rangers, 5-1, Monday night.

Kontos is second in NHL goal scoring to Pittsburgh's Mario Lemieux, who leads
the league with 21.

The Lightning, 3-0-1 in their last four games and 7-8-2 overall, completed a
road sweep of the two New York teams, having beaten the Islanders, 6-5, in
overtime Saturday night.

"It's a groove, I guess," Kontos said of the streak, "but that comes with
confidence, which comes with playing time."

Kontos' first goal gave Tampa Bay a 1-0 lead at 14:11 of the first period. He
converted Brian Bradley's centering pass and beat Rangers goaltender Mike
Richter from the slot.

The Lightning extended the lead to 2-0 when Roman Hamrlik tok a drop pass
fromm Mikael Andersson and beat Richter to the glove side with a 25-footer
at 7:55 of the second period.

Kontos got his second goal 17:04 into the second period while the Lightning
were shorthanded.

"Chris is making this a habit," said Pat Jablonski, who made 32 saves but lost
a bid for his first career shutout on Darren Turcotte's goal with 3:30 to play.

"That's why this is a good situation. We're starting to expecte to be
competitive against the good teams. Chris goes in there like the puck belongs
on his stick."

Tom
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From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio)
Subject: Re: Just wondering about Clinton
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:16:22 GMT

In article <1dai90INNsm@gambier.rick.cs.ubc.ca> p7z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Anthony Jang) writes:
>Seeing as Bill Clinton won the election, what are the chances he can
>recognize Mario Lemieux?


Of course not, for two reasons:

1.  There is no ice in Arkansas, except for the privledged few that own
refrigerators.

2.  Mario Lemieux is not a woman.

-JPC

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From: kevin@sherman.pas.rochester.edu (kevin mcfadden)
Subject: Re: Wrens escape Lightning burns
Organization: University of Rochester
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 13:58:48 GMT

In article <92309.130943RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov4.170236.16551@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri
>Nichols) says:
>>And before you complain that I'm just anti-Pens, I am a Pens fan.
>   Some fan you are, you like other people who mock your fav. team's nickname.
>That's not much of a fan to me.  If you were a fan, you would support THE PENS
>and not the Wrens.  There's a definition of what a fan really is.  My roommate
>calls himself a Penguins fan, yet he couldn't tell you who they played 2 games
>ago or name at least five players on the team!
>                                                         -Rob

I think there is a difference between "fan" and "fanatic".  If you can't tell 
reality from your own fantasies concerning your team or whatever then you
are a fanatic.  If some attention is being spent following the team, then
that person is a fan.  Your roommate is just jumping on the bandwagon.

A fan has no problem criticizing his team when they play poorly.  A fanatic
does.  One can still be a fan and make jokes about his team.  I do
it every day. ( I am a Flyers _fan_.)  Fanatics, or image concious people,
will pay exhorbitant amounts of cash for tickets. Me, I call it quits
at $40 a ticket :)

Latre,

kev

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: Wayne Gretsky...his REAL whereabouts
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:14:12 GMT

In article 1@minnie.imd.nrc.ca, kmews@minnie.imd.nrc.ca () writes:
>[Gretzky] turned up at the World Series in Atlanta. He read the disclaimer on
>last Sunday's CBS broadcast of the Phildelphia Eagles / Dallas Cowboys 
>game. Looks like he's having a grand old time.

Audio tape.  Holograms.

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From: shadow@r-node.gts.org (Jay Chu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Where are the Maple Leaf fans?
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:27:48 GMT
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX Information System (416-249-5366)

In article <1992Oct30.175826.11654@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> cweir@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Corey Weir) writes:
>          To answer your original post question: They found some common
>sense and chose another team.....Just kidding, hahahahahahaha!

You mean teams like Chicago Black Hawks?  hahahahahahaha!


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Subject: Re: U.S. "Dream Team"
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:18:24 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <MezqOBu00aw54GT2xV@andrew.cmu.edu>, Elizabeth Amral Pereira <ep2k+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>> The goaltending would be from the Rangers, both
>> Vanbiesbrouck and Richter. 
> 
> Sorry, I still have to stand by Andy Mogg and what about Tom Barraso.   
> I know they are from rival teams (although Barraso is form Boston if I'm
> not mistaken), but what a goal tending team they would make.

Andy Moog is Canadian, and thus would not play for team USA. Barrasso is 
American, though.

								Alan
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Ruzicka Question
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:59:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: hsdndev.2095
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Organization: HMS

In article <fhp1n1g@rpi.edu> downec@rpi.edu writes:
>
>Ruzicka straight up for Hawgoog.
>
>What a steal, until he choked in the playoffs
>last year.
>
>CSD

Christopher,

A little backround info from last year's playoffs : Vladimir had a
severly sprained ankle during the playoffs. I beleive that he missed 2
out of 15 playoff games. For most of the 13 games he was quite ineffective
and netted only 2 or 3 goals with a couple of assist. With Neely out and
the Olympians(Juneau,Donato,Heinze) not quite ready for prime-time,
Rick Bowness put one hurting Rosie in the line-up.

Regards,

-PPV Mark
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Detroit/Tampa Radio Report
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:49:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.175108.9719@cbnews.cb.att.com> chill@cbnews.cb.att.com (daniel.a.miller) writes:
>
>	That stat wal put to rest a few weeks ago! I'm not sure what the
>deal is with the Wings though. In my opinion, there are too many first
>line centers on the same team! Let's get rid of Jimmy Carson, and Paul
>Yserbart. Maybe we can pick up a solid defenseman for the two of them.
>

Fire Murray...hire Keenan!

Gerald
From: p7z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Anthony Jang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Ronning going to arbitration
Date: 9 Nov 1992 17:04:38 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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In article <1dmvfuINNa1v@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> chrisl@balsam.ppc.ubc.ca (Chris Lynch) writes:
[some of mine, some of yours stuff deleted]
>
>These players probaly will make more than Ronning after arbitration;
>
>McLean(~1mil can $)	 Courtnall(750 thou amer $)    Linden(800 thou $ can)	  
>
>so that'll make him around fourth, dropping down a few more places, to eight isn't all
>that bad (consider there is Lumme, Diduck, Adams, Lidster, Bure who ain't half bad either
>and have been around as long or longer than Ronning).
>I don't think Ronning making 500-800 thou is that bad, cripes he only had 71 points.

While 71 points is not much, note that
 1. He got them playing most of the season with grinders (Momesso and Sandlak)
 2. It was the second highest on the team.  (You can only be as good as your team)

>|> Ronning puts out most every night, is the biggest playoff 
>|> performer we've ever had, last year he was one of the teams best +/-, 
>|> and so on.  
>
>True and Ronning did well in the playoffs the last two years, but where did
>that get the Canucks? And the Canucks don't have exactly a tradition
>deep in playoff glory, so which previous Canuck do you compare him 
>with? 

You can't expect him to win the cup himself.  What I'm saying is he does his share,
the rest must come from his teamates.

[stuff deleted]

>So where do you peg Ronning on the Canucks, that is a tough one, because there
>is a good chance that he'll make more than Bure after this as well. Where
>does it stop?
>|>How they could have offered him such an embarrassing salary 
>|> is beyond me.
>
>Which you don't know or don't state. So how can it be embarrasing????
If memory serves me, I've heard (don't know where, I listen to everything) that
he has been offered about $600 000.  Bure, if memory serves, is making about $650, but
that was a rookie contract one year ago.  For Ronning, management has had time
to evaluate him.   

>The arbitrator is going to give Ronning what he's worth, probably in
>the range of 600-800 thou a year.  What do you think he's worth?
>Are you happy that tickets range in 25-41 bucks a pop. Averaging only
>14000 and change tells me most fans think it is a little expensive. Yet you
>want to throw more money at Ronning?

Firstly, I don't like the ticket prices.  I've made previous postings that
we should have a salary cap, but there isn't one.  Because there isn't one
I won't conern myself with $$$, but instead his ranking.  
McLean  #1
Bure    #2 (but he'll have to wait for rookie contract to expire before getting more)
Ronning #3 along with Linden and Courtnall 

IMHO, Lumme, Diduck, and Lidster are not more valuable.
>
>Chris

Just my thoughts,
Tony

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From: fdg@athena.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Frank P. DiGiuseppe)
Subject: Re: U.S. "Dream Team"
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 21:01:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.125512.17436@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>
>The lesson of 1972 is never to go into a competition against the
>Russians unprepared.  Keenan ran month-long bootcamps before the last two
>Canada Cups.

I'd hardly say Team Canada was humiliated by the Russians - we just didn't
humiliate them, which was what everyone was expecting. Also, The Soviet
team was a real team - having played together extensively for an extended
period of time. This will not be the case at the Olympics.

>The Olympics will be on an international ice surface which NHL Russians
>will have been brought up playing on, and the best Russians have been
>all developed in the same elite program in the former Soviet Union and
>have often previously played together over the years.  
>
>The ice surface difference and the lack of preparation on it will be
>a major disadvantage for the North American teams. 

Disadvantage? Yes. Major? I doubt it. Many of the North American players
have had some experience on International ice as well as playing together.
In fact the '94 teams (Canada and US anyway) will likely look very similar 
to the past Canada Cup teams.

And that fact that some of the Russian players played together "at some
point" is no substitute for a having the actual team playing as a unit.
I don't think, they'll be signficantly more prepared, as a team, than their
North American counterparts.

>Bure on North American ice is one thing...get him on the international
>surface, and it is another...and without preparation, our defense will
>be extremely suspect.

So will theirs...

>To have a 50-50 chance of winning, the NHL would have to be shut down
>for two months...otherwise all you would be doing is sending an
>unprepared all-star team for slaughter.

I agree with the first comment - to have an equal shot at winning they
would need that time. But to jump to the extreme of saying there will be
a slaughter is a bit much I think. 

I agree with your points to the degree that, yes, the Russians will have
an advantage, but to predict a slaughter... I don't see it.

Frank

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