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From: shad04@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Dan Fandrich)
Subject: Re: Control S
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:38:52 GMT

In article <BtwwLL.KxL@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> nishri@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Alex Nishri) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.230618.17955@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> TomS@comm.mot.com (Tom_Stremlau) writes:
>>Does anyone know the technical specification for Control S synchronization? 
>
>There is an intro in anonymous ftp mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu:video/sircs.txt


From the file sircs.txt:
>The following is a reference guide to using a microcomputer to
>control a VCR equipped with a Control-S port. It is being released
>in the hope that it will be useful to some of you. Apparently there
>is no documentation on the Control-S protocol available from Sony
>(at least, that's what their publications office told me when I
>called). 

Sony does have a manual entitled "Sony Remote Control Systems" which describes
everything from their old ultrasonic remote systems to Control-S (otherwise 
known as Sony Infrared Remote Control System, SIRCS).  Unfortunately, it is 
9 years out of date and doesn't include many of the newer remote functions
(like surround control).  It also doesn't include a description of the 
Control-S connector in the back of much of their newer equipment.  What can
you expect for $5?  The part number is 2RM383-1.

>>> Dan "not affiliated with Sony" Fandrich
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From: asl00@ccc.amdahl.com (Andrew Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Flagging errors
Date: 2 Sep 92 02:11:03 GMT
Reply-To: asl00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Andrew S. Lee)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Can anyone tell me why flagging errors occur during editing?  I have
a Panasonic AG1960 and every so often have this problem.  This looks
very unprofessional and I've sometimes gone back and re-edited or  
inserted frames to cover them up. 

A flagging error looks like a loss of control track for one frame, 
usually (maybe always) the first frame of an edit.   When viewing,
the one frame appears to "drop" and is slightly visible.  It's 
really kind of hard to describe.

Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.



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Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: harlock@netcom.com (Mike Harlock)
Subject: Re: cg's, 3d modelers, and paint packages
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 19:46:23 GMT
Organization: The Space Vessel Arcadia

In article <1992Aug29.222433.24616@umr.edu> quandt@mcs213g.cs.umr.edu (Brian Quandt) writes:
>Looking to get poeples opinions
>on computer based CG's, paint programs and 3d modelers/animators.
>What packages are the best.  Which ones are what could be considered
>professional quaility??  I'm mostly interested in packages that can
>be found on either the Amiga or PC or both.
>
>					BAQ

CG:  
   Broadcast Titler for the Amiga.  Excellent program.  ultra-smooth movement
and great looking fonts.  Uses anti-aliasing to give an effective resolution
of 23.3 nanoseconds.   Can import unlimited amounts of fonts from Amiga with
a built in program or the BT font enhancer package, which will anti-alias
them as well.

3D Modelers:  Imagine, REAL3D, and Lightwave.  I have seen Imagine and
Lightwave used in various TV programs.  (Imagine is used in Tiny Toons, to do
initial modelings of machines, cars and planes and such, and then the output
is traced over with celpaint to give it a hand-drawn look, but retaining the
precisely calculated movement.)
  Hard Copy, or one of those other sappy TV tabloids, uses lightwave alot,
(and toaster effects) all most to the point of tackiness.

I am only speaking from the Amiga end.  I know there are some great PC
and Mac software packages out there, too.  Inform, please.

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Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: tspyrou@vlsisj.uucp (Tom Spyrou)
Subject: wjave3 vs. wjave5
Reply-To: tspyrou@vlsisj.uucp (Tom Spyrou)
Organization: Compass Design Automation/VLSI Technology, Inc. (San Jose)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 16:40:45 GMT

I am considering the purchase of a wjave5, but I like some of the
special effect of the wjave3 better, but I do want the image
stabalization and rock solid output of the 5. 

Has anyone used the wjave3 and can they comment on whether it has the
stabilization qualities of the wjave5.

Also, any pro or con comments about either one would be appreciated.

Thanks,

I'll summarize and post.


Tom
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Flagging errors
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:05:00 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <4fFV02Rv20UN01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> asl00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Andrew S. Lee) writes:
<Can anyone tell me why flagging errors occur during editing?  I have
<a Panasonic AG1960 and every so often have this problem.  This looks
<very unprofessional and I've sometimes gone back and re-edited or  
<inserted frames to cover them up. 
<
<A flagging error looks like a loss of control track for one frame, 
<usually (maybe always) the first frame of an edit.   When viewing,
<the one frame appears to "drop" and is slightly visible.  It's 
<really kind of hard to describe.

You are probably editing with a controller that can't lock video frames.
If you edit two even or odd fields together you will get flagging since the TV
has to resync after that mistake.

Normal editing is an even field after an odd field, or vice versa.

Look for a switch on the decks for setting frame editing.  You should find
it on the editing recorder.  If there is one on the source deck, it won't
be used.
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Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: aktan@rodan.acs.syr.edu (My name is Andre...)
Subject: Re: 3/4" tapes for sale
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 19:33:42 EDT

In article <1992Aug27.020958.8270@news.arc.nasa.gov> gutierre@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Robert Michael Gutierrez) writes:
>
>Anyway, the point of this post is that what does some of the big production
>houses do with their old tapes?  The ones they got were from a company that
>went under (can't remember the name off hand).  Is it worth the time/trouble
>going around the video houses asking for used Betacams?  I would, of course,
>go with "cash" in hand (actually, certified check) and be prepared to
>buy off all their old stock (ie: 100+ tapes).  Has anybody done this??
>Does anybody work for a house that has used Betacam-SP's willing to offload???
>
>Just curious...
>
>
>    rob.

Well, having been an intern at a video production house, I can tell you what
they do with old tape... THROW IT OUT!!!  Either that or sell it to other
companies or TV stations for close to nothing...  (I was given the OK to sell
125 Beta tapes for a dollar a piece...)  At one time, we also donated some
tape to some company that "recycles" the tapes and sells them to profit
the homeless...
   However, the tape that we did get rid of was old stock (3 or more years)
so if you are looking for tape for broadcast use, used tape isn't the way to
do it...  Most people will buy used stock for offlines....

 - Andre
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Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: gsk@khaki.asd.sgi.com (George S. Kong)
Subject: Hi8 decision-list editing using time code
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:47:25 GMT


could someone please lead me down the garden path of hi8 editing?

i'd like to edit from hi8 (shot on a canon h660) to hi8 or svhs.
i'd like to do decision-list editing, including the occasional
video-insert. i'd prefer not to lose a generation right off the
bat, so i believe i need to lay down one of sony's two time codes
onto my original tapes. (are these assumptions true? is it possible
to do substantial decision-list editing without time code? is there
some inexpensive, high-quality solution that i should consider,
even though it involves dubbing right off the bat?)

my first inclination is to rent a sony evo-9700. (does anyone know
of any drawbacks, besides a 1-min limit on video inserts? in
particular, does it do a good job at jitter and noise reduction,
esp. luminance noise?)

for purchase, i'd want to spend less money than the $5000 street
price of the evo-9700. i know of 2 possibilities for the player deck:
	(1) cvd-1000 vdeck ($1500)
	(2) ccd-v801 camcorder ($900 minus resale of my canon h660)

(are there any other choices? what kind of signal quality will i get
out of the vdeck or the ccd-v801? do i need a tbc? anything else?)

for the controller/record deck, i see various possibilities:
	(1) a second vdeck ($1500 + software)
	(2) a futurevideo pro mk2 controller ($600)
	    with a panasonic ag1960 vcr ($900)
	(3) a sony rm-e700 ($700) or ci-1000 vbox ($300 + software)
	    with a sony slv-r5 vcr ($800)

the ccdv801/rm-e700/slv-r5 combination seems like a good choice,
both in cost and ease-of-use. but how would the signal quality
compare to an evo-9700 or a vdeck/vdeck?

any and all insights would be greatly appreciated.

George S. Kong,  Silicon Graphics, Inc.,  (415)390-3281  gsk@sgi.com



From: chan@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Chan Benson)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:30:48 GMT
Subject: Re: Videonics DirectEd+
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.video.production

> Can the videonics do glitch-free cuts somehow with a
> two-head recording deck?

A record deck with a flying erase head is essential for reasonable looking
edits. 

			-- Chan
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: tsui@ils.nwu.edu
Subject: Toaster in Am. Cinematographer
Organization: Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:40:40 GMT

A magazine can't get any better when it has a cover story on TWIN PEAKS and a
big article of the Video Toaster in the same issue (at least for me).

AMERICAN CINEMATOGRAPHER has an excellent article on the Toaster as a
post-production tool for film and video.  They look at BABYLON 5 and talk with
Ron Thornton about the different techniques used.

If it was just another computer magazine, this would be no big deal, but this
is AMERICAN CINEMATOGRAPHER!!  A magazine that is highly respected in the
film/video-making industry.  This magazine does not deal with kiddie/desktop
video stuff.

Anyways, check out a copy of this issue, it is very informative.  
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (Stew Ellis)
Subject: Videonics DirectEd+
Keywords: cheap editors
Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:36:59 GMT

I hope this is the right group.  I am interested in something for home
videos, not professional.  Someday I might be able to afford a complete
prosumer edit suite, but not now.

I have a fullsize JVS S-VHS camera and a cheesy 2-head RCA stereo deck.  A
local store has a new Direct Ed+ for about $350.  Would I be better off with
this setup or with the cheapest JVC deck that works with their duet-editing
scheme if I want to make fairly simple cuts.  For the time being I will be
happy with std VHS.  Can the videonics do glitch-free cuts somehow with a
two-head recording deck?

The videonics advertises titles.  Do they work?


Thanx for any help or pointers.



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From: quandt@mcs213c.cs.umr.edu (Brian Quandt)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: cg's, paint programs, and animators
Date: 30 Aug 92 01:13:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: umr.1992Aug30.011359.939
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

In a prior article I said that I was looking for comments on the above subject...  I said that
I was interested in amiga products and pc products.
To be specifice (in regards to the pc) I'm looking for unix/X11 based 
products.  The amiga will be running standard amigados.
From: Son.T@applelink@Apple.com (S. Tran)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Future Video EC-1000Pro For Sale
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:21:00 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer

Newly upgraded Future Video EC-1000Pro with cables for Sony (1) and Panasonic 
(2) AG-1960 VCR's.  Will sell for less than half of retail: $325.  Still under warranty
warranty and used it for very few hours.
Call (408) 974-6365 if you have problems answering this e-mail.
From: Son.T@applelink@Apple.com (S. Tran)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Future Video EC-1000Pro For Sale
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:15:14 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer

Newly upgraded Future Video EC-1000Pro with cables for Sony (1) and Panasonic 
(2) AG-1960 VCR's.  Will sell for less than half of retail: $325.  Still under warranty
warranty and used it for very few hours.
Call (408) 974-6365 if you have problems answering this e-mail.
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: kimnach@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (GREG KIMNACH)
Subject: Re: 3/4" tapes for sale
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: na
Date: 27 Aug 1992 10:53 EST  

In article <1992Aug27.020958.8270@news.arc.nasa.gov>, gutierre@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Robert Michael Gutierrez) writes...
>kh@sei.cmu.edu (Kurt Haverstock) writes:
>|> sharp@mizar.usc.edu (Malcolm Sharp) writes:
>|> 
>|> >FOR SALE:  (all 3/4" U-matic format, approx. 10 yrs. old, never used)
>[...]
>|> Donate the stock to your local cable access organization and take the 
>|> write-off on your taxes. 
> 
>Actually, I've been picking up some used Sony Betacam-SP 30's (and some 20's)
>from a local (and usually expensive) pro video retailer.  They had them
>marked for $4.00, but since I've been buying them in bulk (ie: buying
>all the ones they had in stock), I got them for $3.00 (yes, that's THREE
>dollars, not thirty dollars).  They're obviously old stock (dates range
>from '88-91) and some fairly well used, but still, it's Betacam-SP!!!
> 
>I don't own a Betacam deck ... I use them for my EDV-9500 ED Beta.
> 
>Since the EDV-9500 had a farily good DOC (drop-out compensator), the
>tapes are a god-send (as opposed to paying the current $26/ea for BCT-30's
>or $12 (?) for refurib used tapes).  I bought 60 BCT-30's and 10 BCT-20's.
>With 10 more 30's coming this weekend, that should keep me happy :):):)
> 
>Anyway, the point of this post is that what does some of the big production
>houses do with their old tapes?  The ones they got were from a company that
>went under (can't remember the name off hand).  Is it worth the time/trouble
>going around the video houses asking for used Betacams?  I would, of course,
>go with "cash" in hand (actually, certified check) and be prepared to
>buy off all their old stock (ie: 100+ tapes).  Has anybody done this??
>Does anybody work for a house that has used Betacam-SP's willing to offload???
> 
>Just curious...
> 
> 
>    rob.
> 
Four buscks, huh?  Count me in the ranks of the curious and anxious! 

Greg
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From: nichols@macc.wisc.edu (Dennis J. Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Videonics Expansion Module For Sale
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:46:15 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <29885@goofy.Apple.COM> Son.T@applelink@Apple.com (S. Tran)  
writes:
> Almost brand new. Only had a couple hours on it. Will sell for less than
> half of retail.
> Asking $125 or best offer.

[with apologies to *everyone* else] S. Tran - Please contact me about
this item. You gave no telephone number and I can't get email to work
to your adresss.

-Dennis Nichols
nichols@macc.wisc.edu
608-251-4579 (eves)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: bernie@ecr.mu.oz.au (Bernie Kirby)
Subject: A box for Genlock and Sub Carrier signals.
Keywords: Do they exist?
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 01:40:34 GMT

G'day,
	We have a Rasterops TC/S card in a Sparcstation, and a Rasterops
video expander for recording onto VHS PAL tape. The Video exapander has
inputs of an external genlock signal, and an external subcarrier signal.
Is there a 'box' that generates these signals. The local Rasterops supplier
doesn't seem to know....

The problem is that the video recorder we have doesn't seem to supply very
stable sources for these signals, and the resultant quality is not very
good. The internal genlock signal from the video expander doesn't seem to
work well with our particular recorder either (Panasonic Time Lapse recorder).

Bernie.
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: glatz@emily.uvm.edu (Terry A Glatz)
Subject: REPOST: Panasonic video gear for sale!!!
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 23:16:38 GMT

 

 1 Panasonic MX-10 for sale. Built in frame syncroniser, (no TBC needed).

 digital effect such as still, strobe, mosaic, paint. Disolves, wipes,

 and fades. Master fade with audio control Wipe positioner with selection.

 Asking $1200, (down from the $1400 asking price)

 

 Panasonic 1331 color monitor.1 SVHS input, 1 VTR input, 2 composite inputs.

 video and audio monitor outs.

 Asking $400

 

 Both units are in mint condition. Local pickup or C.O.D. only!

 If intrested, please reply via e-mail or call me at (802)862-5712

 Buyer pays shipping and handling, plus shipping insurance if requested.

 

 Please call me by voice, for I can't send e-mail, (system is screwed).

 If you do send e-mail, leave a voice number where I can reach you.

 I am apologize to any persons who have replied and have not recieved

 mail back from me. It's not that I am being rude, but none of the

 replies left a voice number posted in the message and I have no way

 of getting back to you.

 Sorry for any typos, lag time is bad here.

 

 - Terry Glatz

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From: chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Chris Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Editing from color to black-and-white
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:22:47 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <1992Aug26.234736.18460@muddcs.claremont.edu> nrossi@jarthur.claremont.edu (Nick Rossi) writes:

>I've got a video idea that I'd like to produce in black-and-white.  Is there
>some easy way to change camera shots taken in color (on my V801) over to
>black and white while copying the footage, through some kind of filter,

Turn the chroma down (off) on the TBC when you transfer the cuts you
want to use to the B roll (you *are* using a TBC aren't you......?)

If you aren't using a TBC (shame shame on you....) you will need a
proc amp so you can turn down the chroma.   

Be sure and keep the color burst intact on the B&W signal so you can
edit without any problems.

>maybe?  A friend of mine (who doesn't know much about editing systems) 
>suggested playing back the footage on a black and white TV and recording
>it from there, but there must be a better way, as we've all seen black &
>white videos before.

This can be done of you want the effect of taking a shot of the screen but
it requires that the camera be genlocked to the source feeding the television. 

The way the "big guys" do it is to do a linear key between black
and white matte on your switcher.  You can then fade/wipe in or out
the effect.
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From: chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Chris Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Editing from color to black-and-white
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:46:10 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <1992Aug27.181606.6402@truevision.com> jerry@truevision.com
(Jerry Thompson) writes:

>Your V801 already has a black and white video output on it!  I bet you 
>didn't know that.  The V801 has an S-Video connector.  You can buy an 
>S-Video to dual RCA cable.  I made my own.  One of these RCA outputs 
>will be a black and white only video signal (RS-170) which is exactly
>what you want.  The other will be the color component.  

Are you really sure about that?  The "B&W output" of the SVHS connector
is a luminance only signal (see below).

>You can just connect the BW output to the video in on a VCR.  The BW video
>output will be a very crisp black and white image so you may need to dub it
>to VHS a couple of time to soften it. 

If what I say is true you will record the luminance without a color
burst.  When you edit with this signal you will have problems.

Depending on the record VCR and the monitor when you play back the
edit between mono and color the various oscilators involved will have
to lock up....

Any device that uses the color burst like TBC's, monitors, time code
readers ('specially if you have one of those wiz bang booxes that
automatically puts out VITC will burp on a signal without color
burst.

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From: Son.T@applelink@Apple.com (S. Tran)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Future Video EC-1000Pro For Sale
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:17:16 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer

Newly upgraded Future Video EC-1000Pro with cables for Sony (1) and Panasonic 
(2) AG-1960 VCR's.  Will sell for less than half of retail: $325.  Still under warranty
warranty and used it for very few hours.
Call (408) 974-6365 if you have problems answering this e-mail.
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: kh@sei.cmu.edu (Kurt Haverstock)
Subject: Re: 3/4" tapes for sale
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:50:56 GMT



In article 3/4" tapes for sale of 25 Aug 1992 13:20:47 -0700 sharp@mizar.usc.edu (Malcolm Sharp) writes:

>FOR SALE:  (all 3/4" U-matic format, approx. 10 yrs. old, never used)
>
>Sony - KCS20  
>Scotch - UCA20, UCA30, UCA60
>
>I have 3-4 dozen tapes.
>
>These have been sitting in an office cabinet.
>
>Make me an offer.  All *serious* offers will be considered.
>


Donate the stock to your local cable access organization and take the 
write-off on your taxes. 



Kurt