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From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)
Subject: Re: Storage for backups...floptical, tape:  insights
Organization: Netcom, San Jose, California
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:41:39 GMT

wolfmc@rtsg.mot.com (Michael Wolf) writes ...
>How are the 21M Flopticals?  This months MacWorld goes over tape drives, but
>not floptical storage, any one have any experience they'd like to share?

While I don't have any direct experience with them, I have noticed
that at $30+ per disk, the media is more expensive per megabyte than
HD floppies.

-- 
Ray Fischer                   "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth
ray@netcom.com                 than lies."  -- Friedrich Nietszsche
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: egapmh@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Paul M. Hudy)
Subject: CD-Rom & Photo CD Questions
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:35:14 GMT


I want to try out the Kodak Photo CD system and use the files
on my MAC. Before I do, I have a few questions:
1. Which CD-ROMs players work with Photo CD? A summer issue of
one of the MAC magazines claimed that only those based on the
Sony mechanisms do. Is that still true? Are there any multi-
session players out there yet?
2. Anyone know of an internet ftp site where the Photoshop
plugin for the PhotoCD system is going to be posted? It should
be ready and/or bug free in a couple of weeks. Better yet, 
anyone willing to email me a binhexed version. It is free on
on line services but I don't do Compuserve/America Online.
3. Of the CD-ROM players that work, which are the best and
where is the best place (reliable, honest, quick) to get them?
MacConnection is a good place?
4. The camera shop I asked had "lost" their price list. Can
anyone give me an idea of a price list? Or fax me one. Any 
discount services out there yet? Are places like Eckerds and
other drug stores going to get into this?

Thanks in advance.

Paul M. Hudy
UNC-General Administration
Chapel Hill, NC

egapmh@ecsvax.uncecs.edu
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From: Darren_E._Tong@fourd.com
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:50:41 EST
Subject: Re: 30 MHz IIsi ?!

what might be the long term effects with using that 59.4 crystal????

- BulkRate... and worth every penny!-darren_tong@fourd.com

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From: crispy@space.mit.edu (Chris Pak)
Subject: What is 030 slot in LC II?
Organization: MIT Center for Space Research
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:38:23 GMT


Here is a very dumb question. What is 030 slot and how is it used? I mean
how is it different from Nubus slot?

Thanks,

---Chris
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Distribution: world
From: David_A._Schnider@bmug.org
Organization: BMUG, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:44:25 PST
Subject: Re: Mouse

I plan on buying a PB160 in February.  I was wondering if there are good values
for keyboards and mice aside from the standard Apple.  I have an educational
discount, so an Apple mouse is about $70 and the extended keyboard is about $150.
 Are there better options?

-David
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,rec.music.synth
From: jrstone@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Bob Stone)
Subject: MIDI interface
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:48:06 GMT


Does anyone out there know how I can construct a MIDI interface
for my Macintosh, or where I can get this information?  It can't
be all that complicated..

Please post or Email me if you have any information.

---------------------------------
Bob Stone
JRSTONE@puphep.princeton.edu
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From: awolfe@moo.Princeton.EDU (Andrew Wolfe)
Subject: Raving Flame about Byte magazine
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: Byte SE/30
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:55:10 GMT



Did anyone read this months Byte article about the new Macs?

I was curious about the performance difference they observed between the Duo210 and PB170  (170 was significantly slower).


Then - I saw that their test showed a IIsi to be over TWICE as fast as an SE/30 on a range of tests.  Doesn't anyone edit these things??  Shouldn't someone have questioned why these results are so unreasonable and perhaps offered an explanation?  My guess is that they didn't even check to see if this matched previous tests that they had done on these machines.

I should know better than to trust measurements made by Byte.


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Assistant Professor
Department of Electrical Engineering
Princeton University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: louislam@iastate.edu (Louis C Lam)
Subject: Re: Apple "down-graded" their mouse!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:42:29 GMT

In <7619@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> drchambe@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Dennis Chamberlin) writes:

>In article <louislam.721806838@vincent2.iastate.edu> louislam@iastate.edu (Louis C Lam) writes:

>>I'm having a problem with my ADP Mouse recently. The button feels like 
>>something is blocking its way and it doesn't feel smooth (anyone know
>>what's causing this?)
>>
>>This is actually my second mouse (the first one had the same problem and the
>>Apple dealer gladly replaced mine).  The problem appeared in less that one
>>month after I bought my ci and the second mouse "lasts" for 7 months. 
>>
>>
>>So, can anyone tell me why Apple is changing the mouse, and anyone know what
>>is the problem with my mouse?
>>
> I suspect dirt/contamination from your mouse pad, etc. My mouse began feeling 
I think many of you mis-understood my problem. I have a problem with the 
mouse BUTTON, not the mouse BALL.

Louis
From: an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Farewell to the Mac? (not flame)
Date: 18 Nov 1992 21:17:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, trimble@ph-meter.beckman.uiuc.edu (Chris Trimble) says:

>model03@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (John Deke) writes:
>
>>	Do you think the Mac will be phased out?
>
>  Apple will probably try to keep the CISCs alive for the first couple of
>  years after PowerPC, but I highly doubt it will last. People will quickly
>  realize the benefits of the PowerPC and jump in instead of buying CISCs.
>  If Apple wants to win over its customers, they should offer an upgrade
>  path from the CISCs, which, unlike the IIcx/i -> Quadra upgrade would be
>  REASONABLY PRICED. 
>
 Well, word has it that Apple has licensed 3rd party vendors to make NuBus
and PDS cards which convert your current Mac into a PowerPC.

>  Furthermore, Apple does to the Mac owners what they've done to
>  Apple // owners about 5 times as often. Every 6 months Apple outdates
>  the models of 6 months ago. Just look at the line right now! Why should
>  anyone buy a Quadra 700 with the 800 coming out in January? Why should
>  anyone buy a IIvx with the Centris (whatever) coming out in January?
>  This kind of anticipation game is what has kept me from buying a Mac for
>  so long.
>
 Well, hell- don't buy, wait until the year 2000 and lets look. Just
kidding. Actually, lots of people have this problem, and its a big one in
the computer industry. Oh well. This is why Apple doesn't pre-announce
products- nobody will buy them if they did! We'd just wait and wait .....

>>	Is this good or not?
>
>  No. It isn't. I think Apple should try to build a line that can stand
>  the test of time as well as your //e (and mine :) did. The //e was 
>  completely useable up until about 2 or 3 years ago, which is still 8 or
>  maybe 9 years after it came on the market! 
>
>  Apple : build computers that are AHEAD of their time, like the ol' days.
>
>
> - Chris
>   (Standard disclaimers)
>
>--
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>chris1@uiuc.edu   | "Ar-oo-gull-ah, it's a vege-et-a-ble"         - Steve Martin
>
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: fullmer@is.rice.edu (Robert Fullmer)
Subject: Looking for a three button mouse
Followup-To: fullmer@rice.edu
Summary: Running A/UX and X windows
Keywords: A/UX xwindows 3-button-mouse
Organization: Rice University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 04:04:23 GMT

I couldn't find an FAQ for this group at rtfm.mit.edu, is there one?

Anyway, I'm getting a Quadra 950 on which I intend to run A/UX and X
windows. It's handy to have a three button mouse when running the X
window system, since many X window system applications expect you to be
able to generate events from all three mouse buttons.  Using the
keyboard to simulate a three button mouse is kludgy and annoying.

As a result, I'm looking for an ADB three button mouse that can send all
three required mouse events. Does anyone make such a device? Is there
anyone out there in a similar situation that can offer council?

Robert Fullmer    :    celine@athena.mit.edu    :    celine@rice.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: cs123052@cs.brown.edu (Michael Lee)
Subject: Re: Farewell to the Mac? (not flame)
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:33:09 GMT

|> timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) writes:
|> >The guy with the SE can run pretty much the state of the art in
|> >software, the best of which today is more than most people need.
                                                   ^^^^


|> No.
|> 
|> An SE doesn't have an 68020 (and it doesn't run Color Quickdraw).
|> Which means that lots of applications won't run.  And not just
|> applications which don't make sense without color.  For instance I have
|> a copy of FontStudio which won't run on my SE.
|> 
|> There are three kinds of Macs:
|> 1. 68000 Macs (like the SE)
|> 2. 68020 Macs without a PMMU (like the LC)
|> 3. 68020 Macs with a PMMU, 68030 Macs and higher
|> 
|> Apple is clearly trying to promote the third kind to be the
|> `standard'.  In fact, the only Macs still sold today by Apple are of
|> the third kind.
|> 
|> Macs of the first kind are certainly `obsolete'.  Macs of the second
|> kind are not obsolete _yet_.  I don't know how long that will remain
|> so.
|> 

	True that Apple is promoting the 68030's and 040's.  It's also true
hat the 68000 based machines are 'obsolete'.  To the average everyday person,
he SE et al. are more than capable of running todays software.
	I'd say that more people want to be able to run MS word 5.x and Excel
3.0 and 4.0 than there are who want to run FontStudio.  Maybe not...but I'd be
_very_ surprised. SE's can (and do) run system 7, and a plethora of programs
out there.  Just because it won't run, say, LabView doesn't mean it's useless.

It just depends on who you are.

	For _most_ people, an SE (and other 68000's) is powerful enough for the
average smoe..and _can_ run most of the software that they will want to run.
(Most _college_ students can easily get away with a Classic (not the II) but
many don't because they want the "new" computers that happen to be more powerful.
This also applies to the average user who wants some kind of personal computer.)

	Note the difference between Macs and IBM's.  What of the XT's, AT's 286's?
These cpu's are 'obsolete' because they can't run a *lot* of hte software that 
_most_ people want to run, namely windows...[true, I know that an 286 can run
windows...but...]

- mike
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: HDW@UCSVAX (H D WALDEN)
Subject: Re: Mouse cleaning
Organization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:37:13 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <1992Nov21.185901.50911@edgeway.wimsey.bc.ca> Ian_Wojtowicz@edgeway.wimsey.bc.ca writes:

> Are there any mouse cleaning kits out on the market?  Is there a way I can
> clean the little rollers with some household tools/chemicals?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Ian Wojtowicz
> Editor of the EdgeWays! TeleTimes.
> Internet:  ian_wojtowicz@edgeway.wimsey.bc.ca




	All you do is take some rubbing alcohol on a cue-tip, and wipe the 
inside thoroughly.
-dave w.
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From: David_A._Schnider@bmug.org
Organization: BMUG, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:39:58 PST
Subject: Re: VGA -> MAC LC II

I have a Sony CPD-1320 that connects like a VGA. There is an adaptor plug that
goes between the Mac plug end and the monitor cord.

-David
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From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig)
Subject: Re: Auto Power-Up on a IIx?
Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:41:56 GMT

mdc@spt.entity.com (Marty Connor) writes:
>
>I need for my IIx to boot after a power failure.  Right now it just
>sits there until I hit the power key.

I believe the IIvx has a power button on the right side of the back of
the machine.  Pressing this button turns on (or restarts) the machine.
If you press this button in and turn it, however, it locks in the
"pressed" position. and your machine will restart if it ever turns off.

-- 
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/_/_/  bskendig@netcom.com                de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire
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From: coolidge@sirius.aux.apple.com (John L. Coolidge)
Subject: Re: Farewell to the Mac? (not flame)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:49:15 GMT
Reply-To: coolidge@apple.com
Organization: Open Systems Development, Porting&I/O Group, Apple Computer, Inc.,Summary:

sfuller@tamsun.tamu.edu (Steve Fuller) writes:
>I have a few questions that someone might be able to address:
>In article <1992Nov19.224857.11857@times.aux.apple.com> coolidge@apple.com
>writes:
>>Yes and no. The PowerPC family _are_ Macs. The idea is that anything
>>that runs on the current Mac line will run on the PowerPC Macintosh
>>(at speeds similar to the current high-end Macintosh machines). In
>>addition, native PowerPC applications will run much faster than
>>anything in the current line.

>Do you mean Apple's PowerPC machines or all PowerPC's? I would guess that
>the PowerMacs would require an Apple ROM. 

You're right, of course. The PowerPC Macintosh line will undoubtedly
require Apple ROMs (nothing official, just a guess based on the
evidence). 

>Will I be able of buy a machine from IBM or perhaps a 'clone' vendor and
>buy the OS from Apple? Would I need to purchase an Apple ROM? 

I doubt that Apple would get into the licensing business with Apple
ROMs (at least widely), but I could be wrong. Every so often Apple
does something that surprises everyone (including those who work here
:-)). 

>>This is Just Plain Wrong (TM). There is no single thing which is "the
>>system software for the PowerPC". There will be at least three
>>operating systems for the PowerPC:
>>	1) The Macintosh OS
>>	2) PowerOpen (A/UX 4.0 aka Unix)
>>	3) TaligentOS
>>The first should be available when the first PowerPC Macintosh systems
>>ship; the second at or around that point. The third is probably a
>>couple years away according to public statements made by Taligent.

>By 'The Macintosh OS' do you mean:

>A. MacOS on top on A/UX?
>B. The current System 7.0 translated into native PPC code?
>C. The new microkernal OS?
>D. All of the above?   :-)

Not A, that's item 2 on my list. I think, based on the reports and
rumors, that 'The Macintosh OS' as applied the PowerPC Macintosh means
B and C on your list.

--John

        Thanks to the diligence of the FBI, this particular vacuum
        cleaner won't fall into enemy hands.
                -- Howard Hughes, _The_Rocketeer_

+++John L. Coolidge++++++++++++++++coolidge@apple.com+++++++++++++++++++++++
I speak for myself, not for Apple Computer. Copyright 1992 John L. Coolidge.
Copying allowed only if attributed, and if all copies may be further copied.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: arie@eecs.umich.edu (Arie Covrigaru)
Subject: Re: How long should I charge my PB batter?
Reply-To: arie@eecs.umich.edu
Organization: AI Lab, The University of Michigan
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:07:49 GMT

>>>>> On Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:03:40 GMT, Danny W. McCampbell <danny@utkux1.utk.edu> said:
| X-Xxdate: Wed, 18 Nov 92 20: 00:58 GMT
| X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12

| When I charge my Powerbook Battery by hooking up the AC
| adapter to my PB, should I disconnect the AC adapter
| when the chooser's Battery shows that the batter is charged?
| Can I safely leave the AC adapter hooked to the PB so 
| I can use the batter for later?  Help, I do not want to tear
| any thing up.

| Danny
 
It is in the "Macintosh User's Manual for the PowerBook computers"
in the Chapter "Recharging the battery" starting on page 95.
--


Arie.

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From: mlbizer@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Marc Bizer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: spontaneous brightness changes on PowerBook 170
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:23:27 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at Austin
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X-XXDate: Mon, 16 Nov 92 04:14:20 GMT

Hi everyone,
	I have a question for the PowerBook 170 owners among you. Sometimes when
I'm using my PB with the backlighting on, the display seems a bit dim
even when the backlighting is set to maximum brightness. However, it has
happened when I'm working that suddenly the brightness of the display
increases. Maximum display brightness does seem somewhat less when you're
running off of the internal battery. Just now, the display seemed a bit
dim, and it turns out that I was running off of my battery. I plugged the
charger cord in without noticing any change, but then suddenly the
display got brighter when the charge level of my battery was at about 6.8
volts. Pulling my charger cord out and putting it back in causes the
display brightness to drop and then to rise again. Has anyone else
noticed this phenomenon? Please share your observations with me directly
at mlbizer@bongo.cc.utexas.edu and by posting them to the net.
	    Sincerely yours,
	    Marc Bizer
From: glalonde@vnet.ibm.com (Glen Lalonde)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:05:45 EST
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: SupraFaxModem v.32bis question-correct this time.

(I am having little luck posting this but I hope the correct version
 comes out this time..sorry about the previous bad appends)

The modem display often reads "RT" just before it hangs up, I assume
this is some new code added since my reference manual/card does not
have an entry for the display of "RT". Does anyone have a list of the new
codes? (I have rom 1.2J).

I called the supra support BBS, but there was no listing there.

Thanks.
From: calypso@stein.u.washington.edu (Kent Shih)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Dying Se/30's HD
Date: 21 Nov 92 18:40:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov21.184012.9274
Organization: University of Washington

Darren_E._Tong@fourd.com writes:


>DID the format fail???
>If the format operation fails, quit DMM(disk Manager mac) and choose restart.
>when the menu bar appears try holding the mouse button down-it might mount-and
>try to use disk first aid!

     Well, this is what I did, I opened up my SE/30 and tinkered around
     with the parts, put back the cover, and it worked... very strange.
     
               -kent
From: cchung@sneezy.phy.duke.edu (Charles Chung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: 68040 speedup?  25MHz -> 33MHz
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:38:06 GMT

With all these IIsi people changing from 20 -> 25 MHz, I've been  
wondering about the Q700.  There used to be a product from Newer  
Technologies that would speed the 25MHz 68040 to 33MHz.  A heat sink  
was provided and you could adjust the speed from the control panel.

Does anyone know of this product?  Does anyone know if it's safe?

One more thing, I think Daystar puts out a 128K cache out for the  
quadras.  However, I understand that Motorola estimates 93% hit rate  
for the 2 4K caches on the 040.  Has anyone used this product?  Does  
it speed up anything at all?  How accurate are Motorola's estimates?

Thanks,


-Chuck

BTW, is anyone else thinking that the bandwidth on the mac.hardware  
board is getting to large?
From: clf3678@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C.L. Freemesser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Anybody have a Sigma Laserview monitor?
Summary: Looking for some information
Keywords: mac, Sigma, monitor, Binkley Lives!
Date: 22 Nov 92 05:12:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: ultb.1992Nov22.051226.21553
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: na
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: clf3678@ultb

Does anybody out there have a Sigma Laserview monitor hooked up to a Mac
II series computer?

I just came into posession of the 15 inch version of the monitor, along
with a Sigma LDA-MAC II video card.  The SE kit that came with the
monitor (anybody want to buy the kit?) said that you can get a
resolution of 1664x1200 out of it, but I can only get 832x600.  Is
there any software for the Mac II card that will get me the high
resolution?

The card came just by itself, with no docs or software.  I guess what
I'm trying to say is that I would *REALLY* like to get both if possible.

Thanks much!

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