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From: schumach@stortek.com (Kurt Schumacher)
Subject: Re: DS9: I liked it, dammit.
Reply-To: schumach@stortek.com
Organization: Storage Technology Corp
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 16:50:28 GMT

I liked DSN too.  It was enjoyable and entertaining, but not exceptional.
However, I have given up looking for exceptional entertainment (SF in
particular) on commercial TV.

My only complaint about the show was that the endin seemed rather abrupt.
I has just com to the conclusion that the 2-hour primier was going to end
with a cliff-hanger to be concluded in the first 1-hour episode when Capt.
Sisko popped out of the wormhole with the Cardassian ship in tow and the 
whole confrontation simply evaporated.  Clearly, something else happened
in the wormhole involving both Sisko and the Cardassians, but all we got
in the way of an explanation was that the Cardassians "ran into a little
trouble".

I suspect that there was some footage that was trimmed to fit into the 
two-hour time slot.  I would have preferred that they cut the ovely-long 
scenes with Sisko explaining time and memory to the aliens, and given us
a little more explanation of what else went on in the wormhole.

	Kurt
From: finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Quantum Leap - just a thought
Keywords: QL
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:36:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

warlock@esds.mdc.com (Dale Walker) writes:

>2) According to the quantum-leap/string-theory Sam can leap to any time
>   in his past (life span).  And if his 'home' time-line is advancing
>   then there exists a window of time, in which he could leap into,
>   during which the quantum-leap experment facility exists.  And this
>   overlap is increasing, therefore; Sam could leap into someone that
>   could enter the quantum-leap facility (he should know any security
>   clearance requirements, if he's too *swiss-cheesed* he could always
>   ask Al).

>Comments, any other ideas...

>Dale


To any and all people who have any contact with the Powers that Be, something
I've always wanted to see Sam leap sometime between our present and the
Project's.  After all, time travel does include the future as well as the past.

(Although, I am glad we've seen some pretty good glimpses of the Project's
present.)


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From: ca572@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark L. Stackpole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: (WS) Open letter to M. Straczinski
Date: 11 Jan 1993 16:10:00 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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	I think you should use this idea yourself & not give it away.
 J. M. Straczinski is no longer working for _Murder, She Wrote_.
 In fact his final script for the series was broadcast yesterday
 (1/1/10). All of his TV efforts are now concentrated on B5.
From: roald@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Space Rangers
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:59:01 -0400
Distribution: world
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

mece25r@rosie.uh.edu (Palit, Suman) writes:
> the android was annoying, but then, any android character is going to
> get compared to Data in ST:TNG...

Was it just me, or did anyone else thing they brought in an android and 
canned it to tweak Data's nose?

I dunno--I kinda liked it.  I wasn't expecting a whole lot with a name
like "Space Rangers", but I think it'll be worth watching for a while, 
anyway.  (Where I don't bother anymore with the thoroughly whitebread
ST:TNG.)  The dialogue was pretty wooden, and the physics was par for
tv (ie. execrable--but I'm used to that), but I liked some of the characters
like the pilot and the base commander--I love her grin.  It has energy.

ObPlotHoleWhine:  They searched the ship "thoroughly", but noone thought
to look under the bins?!  And has drug enforcement completely forgotten
about sniffers (like, even dogs)?  With all that dust floating around,
one should have downright exploded.  And where did the bad guys come from
for that last fight?


colin
<sig left in rochester>
From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Alex "Mystic" Soto)
Subject: Re: Space Ranger Review.....
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:38:02 GMT

kickstart@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:

>Okay, I didn't like the show because the characters were dramatically
>stereotyped and 2D.  It moved very quickly for a mere one hour show, and some
>of the dialogue was enough to choke on.  Also, it had some of the cheeziest 
>special effects I've seen lately.

>Although, Linda Hunt did a pretty good job with what she was given.

>I give the show 5 weeks, tops.


I hardly thing it will only take 5 weeks.  This show is better than Mann & 
Machine yet that lasted a bit.  I think this show has potential for
getting better.  Perhaps as everything settles in, things will be okay.
...Funny, out of all the characters, I liked the alien emotional reader thing 
the best (reminded me of the indian guy in Predator).  I'll watch for a little
bit and give it a chance - after all, there's nothing better on at that time.
:)
	Mystic

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From: abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick)
Subject: When does/did Babylon 5 start (and TimeTrax)?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:03:36 GMT


I just caught Deep Space Nine and Space Rangers. (I won't say anything
much about either of them except that for premieres they were...
promising. Remember Encounter at Farpoint?) What I'd like to know is if
Babylon 5 has started or when it will statr. For that matter, what about
TimeTrax. When (assuming it hasn't started) will it air. I'm in Ottawa,
Canada and believe that I'll be getting both B5 and TT off channel 38
(cable 40).
If they have started, please let me know what time slot their in. And if
they haven't let me know when to set my VCR.

Thanks in advance,

Alan Bick
From: gap@astro.ocis.temple.edu (George Piotrowski)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Batman:TAS Episode Guide?
Date: 8 Jan 93 04:39:02 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Hi,

I have been recording Batman: the Animated Series since it started
back in September. I missed at least 2 eps, but may or may not have
gotten in repeats. I have put a list together of what I have, which
totals 45 episodes.  Has anyone else put a list together or has an
official list of the episodes that have aired so far. 

If anyone is interested, I will post what I have so far.

Thanks in advance,

George Piotrowski
Temple University
gap@astro.ocis.temple.edu
From: rforster@galaxy.gov.bc.ca (Russ Forster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: ST:DS9 'Emissary' *possible spoilers*
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:41:35 -0800
Reply-To: RFORSTER@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

	May contain spoilers....


	Well after watching ST:DS9 I was kinda depressed.  I've been looking
	forward to this for quite some time and I suspect that my expectations
	were quite high.

	The premise seems sound, the characters are believable but the pilot
	'EMASARY'(sp?) was quite a disappointment.  Too much time was spent
	explaining linear Time to the aliens.

	My favorite scene.. O'Brian trying to transport the shape-shifter,
	can't get the transporter to work, kicks it and the transporter
	starts up.

	Worst scene ... anything dealing linear time.
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From: holland@geop.ubc.ca (Stephen Holland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Highlander: "Mountain Men"
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.tv
Date: 6 Jan 1993 19:59:02 GMT
Organization: Geophysics & Astronomy, U.B.C. Vancouver, Canada
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In article MHGWBTN6@cc.swarthmore.edu, rbrooks1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Robert William Brooks) writes:
>Saw my first episode of Highlander, "The Mountain Men", a couple of nights
>ago and wasn't very impressed.  Did I just catch a bad episode or are they   
>all like this?
Rob Brooks
>
Actually Mountain Men was one of the better episodes that I have seen.  
Unfortunately this seems to be turning into one of those series that have
an interesting premise but no-one wants to spend the money on top-notch
scripts.  My favourite part of the show is watching them try to pass off
Vancouver as an American city.

From: tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:32:50 GMT
Subject: Lathe of Heaven
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv

Anyone out there seen the PBS tv movie "Lathe of Heaven" recently?

The last time I saw it was in about 1984 on PBS... 

It was an adaptation of Ursula McGuinn(sp?)'s SF story...

   
   Thanks.

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From: bscott@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ben Scott)
Subject: Re: _Space Rangers_
Summary: Space Cowboys 
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 02:03:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.213010.14766@cas.org> sdr57@cas.org () writes:
>In article <C0I0u4.HGu@austin.ibm.com> jlpicard@austin.ibm.com writes:
>>Ouch! Piloting that ship looks _damned_ uncomfortable, lying on
>>your stomach with your arms outstretched and your head raised.
>
>For what it's worth...
>A number of designs for high speed aircraft included prone pilot
>positions. It can improve acceleration tolerance.

I'm sure it can.  But why have the pilot lying down, not belted in or
anything, and the rest of the crew sitting?  

The way they did it, it just looked like they couldn't afford a chair for
her... at least that was my thought when I saw it.  This was in between
laughing at the absurd ways they had the other ship moving in relation to
the pilot's viewpoint.

.                            <<<<Infinite K>>>>

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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: TNG: Cancelled? NOT!
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:52:34 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1993Jan5.172907.3639@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.193654.1996@netcom.com> wisner@netcom.com (Bill Wisner) writes:
>>>	Ah, so is TNG going out of production after this season?
>>
>>Well, maybe.  It hasn't officially been cancelled, but contract negotiations
>>between Paramount and the stars are becoming increasingly difficult.  Don't
>>be too surprised if this turns out to be its last season.
>>
>>This is why Paramount is hoping very strongly that DS9 succeeds.
>>
>>w.
>
>I have heard repeatedly, but not lately, that TNG is planning a one season\
>hiatus after this one. We will see.
>
Berman and Piller have stated repeatedly that The Next Generation WILL run
for at least one more season after this one, and that they would like to see
it run for an eighth.  The silly rumour was started by news stories that some
of the contracts were up for negotiation and having troubles (who wouldn't
try and get more money when they are a popular character on the hottest
syndicated series), then fed by the news that Deep Space Nine was starting,
and "confirmed" by the fact that TNG went into repeats.

Fact:  The entire regular cast now has contracts through seventh season.
Source:  A Star Trek fanzine interview with Piller about DS9.

Fact:  Paramount has committed resources to both TNG and DS9.
Source:  Entertainment Tonight

Fact:  TNG *ALWAYS* goes into repeats this time of year.
Source:  Just look at the air schedule in the List of Lists.



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From: cliff@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Cliff Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Computer Animation in ST:DS9 (was Re: Space Ranger?????)
Date: 8 Jan 1993 15:09:08 -0500
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
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In article <k8!3qv=@rpi.edu> nedwie@rpi.edu writes:
>	To the fellow who was wondering about who did the SFX for DS9, it was
>ILM and they use models not computer animation.  Also in reference to amiga 
>animation watch for B5 before you pass judgement.  A picture is only as good as
>the artist who painted it....

	Technically, they do use computer animation.  The models are very
simple and primitive.  They are just the shapes.  The models are filmed to
get the motions and perspectives correct.  Then a computer is used to
overlay the details onto the essentially blank models.  And all the
planets, wormholes, and planetscapes are all done entirely on computer.
(The planetscapes may include some true paintings, but it's unlikely.)

					Cliff Chen
					cliff@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
From: jdelacr@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Jorge DeLaCruz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Highlander - Episode: "Innocent Man"
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:21:02 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1993Jan5.025700.1@hirama.hiram.edu> obie@hirama.hiram.edu writes:
>In article <1ial83INNasu@shelley.u.washington.edu>, labmas@stein.u.washington.
>edu (Michael Andersson) writes:
>> My local station recently broadcase the "Innocent Man" episode, and I was
>> wondering...
>> 
>> Two immortals died near the cabin in the woods.  One (The Good Guy)
>> inside, and one (The Bad Guy) outside.  When The Bad Guy was beheaded
>> _outside_, the Quickening caused the cabin to explode.  BUT, when The Bad
>> Guy beheaded The Good Guy _inside_, the cabin did *NOT* explode.  Why?
>	Pure speculation- the amount of Quickening generated by a dead
>immortal is proportional to how many other immortals have been beheaded
>by that individual. Lucas seemed reluctant to kill others- he tried to
>retire from The Game. Consequently, Lucas had little Quickening to give- no
>big bang. Bad guys produce bigger bangs.
>

   Maybe the amount of quicking is not only based on many the person beheads,
  since the cop shoould have the quickening of all the people he beheaded, and
  all the people the "Good Guy" had, and so on...   but maybe it also depends
  on the fight, the better the fight, the better the quickening.

					Jorge Delacruz
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From: jpoutre@shearson.com (Joe Poutre)
Subject: Re: Space Rangers
Reply-To: jpoutre@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:19:48 GMT

In article 24923@openage.openage.com, ghost@openage.openage.com (Glenn Host) writes:
>jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>
>>In article <yTiZwB3w166w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us>, crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble) writes:
>>[spoilers toward the end]
>>	The woman pilot is interesting, as she is competent, attractive,
>>		and strong without being bitchy
>Attractive?  My wife asked if it was a man or a woman. :)
_I_ thought she was attractive. I like tall women. :-) At least she didn't
scream in terror every five seconds. I think her relationship with Doc could
be worked into a "friendly" ongoing quarrel. Of course, that is also a
cliche, but maybe she owes him her life, or something.

Oog. Ack, ptooi! Maybe not.

>>	The alien character has some potential.  I liked the interplay between
>>		him and the android.
>Personally I have been surprised that this has not been done before -
>a Asian actor playing an alien.
Actually, it has been done, at least on film. On MST3K I saw a movie with
Asian actors, including the guy from Quincy, M.D., playing an alien species.

>
>>	Linda Hunt can still act circles around everybody, she needs a
>>		bigger role
Hopefully she'll also get better lines in future episodes. That would help
her a lot.

>   Glenn E. Host - Reston, VA

I think the best thing to do would be to write CBS with our grievances,
suggestions, and thanking them for putting "real" sf on a network.
I know this was probably hacked out in time to beat DS9 and B5, but
maybe with fan support something can be made from it.

---
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jpoutre@shearson.com
Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human.  At best he
is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe and not
make messes in the house.         -- Lazarus Long, "Time Enough for Love"

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From: gypsy@world.std.com (Meredith Lesly)
Subject: Re: QL: Two-Faced Reviews: A Tale of Two Sweeties
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:48:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.022522.10600@grebyn.com> billones@grebyn.com (Jeremy Billones) writes:

>...Almost everything deleted..
>The ending?  Anything else wouldn't have been Sam's style.  Ziggy is usually
>right when he guesses 80% or higher, so either he was dead wrong, or two
>50% chances don't add up to 100%.  I'll ignore the last 10 seconds - that
>they were the last 10 redeemed them.

Actually, while I thought it was lame, there was a reason for the last 10
seconds: Ziggy said that Sam was there to make sure the guy had only one
wife. Well, Sam ditched both (that he knew of), but the third turning up
(leaving the guy with one wife after all) proved Ziggy was right once again.

The show *was* pretty terrible. And we lost some 5 minutes here in Boston.


From: lorenh@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Loren Heisey)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:38:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Otherworld
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv

>>   I was just wondering if anybody out there remembers this old tv show.
>> I remember about 5 or 6 years ago seeing this show.  I only caught a
>>few of the episodes.  RIght now I can only remember that I liked the
>>show.  Does anybody out there know how many episodes where made?
>
>I remember it and like it.  I think they (CBS) only showed 6 or 8 episodes.
>There might be an episode guide on anonymous FTP @ ftp.coe.montana.edu.

Since it is short here is the episode list from the site:


Otherworld

Show type: Science Fiction/Fantasy
Original run of show: January 12, 1985 to March 16, 1985 on CBS
Episode list revision date: 12-12-91

Notes:
   Episodes are in original broadcast order.
   A complete episode guide can be found in Epi-Log magazine issue #1.

Episode titles:

1. Rules of Attraction (pilot)
2. The Zone Troopers Build Men
3. Paradise Lost
4. Rock and Roll Suicide
5. Village of the Motorpigs
6. I Am Woman, Hear Me Roar
7. Mansion of the Beast
8. Princess Metra

Cast:

   Sam Groom          Hal Sterling
   Gretchen Corbet    June Sterling
   Tony O'Dell        Trace Sterling
   Jonna Lee          Gina Sterling
   Brandon Crane      Smith Sterling (pilot)
   Chris Hebert         "            (series)
   Jonathan Banks     Kommander Nuveen Kroll


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From: ahsiung@bbn.com (Anita Hsiung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: QL: Don Bellisario lecture
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:05:41 GMT
Reply-To: ahsiung@labs-n.bbn.com (Anita Hsiung)
Distribution: usa,na
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In article <1993Jan11.093622.1@stsci.edu> heyer@stsci.edu writes:
>In article <larne.059a@canetoad.UUCP>, larne@canetoad.UUCP (Larne Pekowsky) writes:
>> Unfortunately I don't have details, but I've heard that Learning
>> Tree University (which I gather is one of those adult evening courses
>> kind of things) is hosting a lecture called "Inside Quantum" Leap,
>> with Don Bellisario, to be given on January 20 (apparently in one of
>> the dubbing/screening rooms at Universal, though it's not entirely 
>> clear).  The cost is listed as $39.
>
>So, could some kind soul who goes to this transcribe it for the net?
>I am sure it would be appreciated by all.

I just called LTU and someone's supposed to call me back after 4pm.
If I go, I'll do a transcription.  It sure is nice to live so close to
Universal City...  ;^)

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From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: Re: Space Rangers !!Spoilers (I guess)!!
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:37:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.150046.1445@cas.org>, sdr57@cas.org () writes:
>>     ...  I was willing to overlook this until the guy was boxing
>>     up the droid with a hammer and nails.  Don't you think that there
>>     would be a more efficient method of fastening wood, at least use
>>     a nail gun.
>>
> Similarly, nails work well - they've been around for thousands of
> years. And if you're at the end of a long supply line, with budget
> cutbacks all around, cartridges for your weapons may well have a
> higher priority than cartridges for a nail gun. (I doubt the producers
> thought about these points, however - I suspect they just liked the
> scene of the Col. closing up the "coffin".)

Umm... you seem to have overlooked a significant point -- where'd the wood
come from?  It seems to me for shipping things, you
	a) Don't bother with gravity in the hold, as it just causes things
	   to crush each other
	b) Don't bother with packing materials, as they weigh a lot!

So really, the android should have gotten the Laura Palmer treatment: wrap it
in plastic.  The fact that it hadn't been deactivated seems unusually cruel on
the android.

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