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From: tallman@ailanthus.com (Robert Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Brand name in TNG (Chain of Command, Part 1)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 23:36:02 EDT
Reply-To: tallman@ailanthus.com (Robert Oliver)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

Recently there has been a series of posts regarding the lack of brand 
names in TNG. After watching a re-run of "Chain of Command, Part 1" I 
found a company that has apparantly survived into the 24th century.
     The gloves worn by Picard and his team are cold-weather cycling 
gloves made by Pearl Izumi. I first spotted the Pearl Izumi logo (a 
stylized IP) while Worf was setting his fusing petn (sp?). The gloves are 
made of a lycra/thermax combination and have tactile "control dots" on 
the palms. It seems that PI (based in Boulder Colorado and known for 
their sports apparel) has a contract with Starfleet to provide clothing 
for their "commando" teams. Wow, I own official Starfleet special 
operations multipurpose tactile-improved hand coverings!
 
* that should have been peton (I think?)

........
Robert Oliver, tallman@ailanthus.com
via Ailanthus Project +1 207-989-6562 - Brewer, Maine.
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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: "Green uniforms" WAS: data watch
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:59:19 GMT
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In <alix.725689561@pv663c.vincent.iastate.edu> alix@iastate.edu (L.A. Melloy) writes:

>Another thing...why do all the uniforms resemble the Acadamy's inverted (mostly
>black with colored shoulders) instead of uniforms on the starships (mostly
>colored with black shoulders)?

Star Fleet seems to have a policy of changing uniform styles for 
every new series.
From: petersm@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Marguerite Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "Chain of Command, Part II"
Date: 27 Dec 92 12:05:01 GMT
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In article <1992Dec27.053034.17778@ultb.isc.rit.edu> yxl5388@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Fractalman) writes:
>In article <1992Dec26.3208.18197@dosgate> "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com> writes:
>
Spoilers ahead !!!!


>
>> TWL> --Could someone with a closed-captioning decoder please let me know
>> TWL> what Picard's final lines are after "You cannot hurt me!"  I've gone
>> TWL> over it several times, but damned if I can make it out...
>>
>>Didn't he just fall over?  Or was that just in the promo?  I think he
>>was trying to repeat "6 years old...  only a boy..." or something like
>>that...  I thought you put that down in your synopsis!
>
>Yeah he said 'You cannot hurt me! You're 6 years old, only a boy...'
>Basically repeating what the other guy just said. I missed the episode
>since I stepped in the house and left 5 minutes later. That sentence
>what the only line I caught. :)
>
>=Fractalman

I went back through the articles and found the following:

>Date: 23 Dec 92 23:22:02 GMT
>References: <1h8f9dINNolb@gap.caltech.edu>
>Sender: Toby Elliott (93JLL@williams.edu)
>Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA


>This may be entirely wrong (I haven't got the tape on hand), but
>Picard does mumble at one point, and it had me puzzled until I worked
>it out. He isn't mumbling.

>"Sur le pont d'Avignon
>l'on y danse
>l'on y danse."

>Is that the part you are referring to?

>Toby Elliott

I agree with Toby on this as I was quite sure also that this was what
Picard was saying.  It is an old French song.  The first line translated
means "on the bridge of Avignon".  I forget the second line (I don't think
the French is correct above).  But part of that line is something about
"dancing" or "dancers".  It's been a long time since my early childhood
days in school in Western Canada.  :-)

Marg

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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: `Cheers woman
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 04:04:47 GMT

abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick) writes:


>>My friend and I were watching STIII:TVH the other night and noticed that 
>>the woman who played Savick looked very similar to that woman from 
>>Cheers, was it just us or is this the same woman?  Or arewe we spending 
>>too much time in front of the ol' boob tube?  :-)  ;)

>First off, there is no such thing as STIII:TVH! You either mean STIII:TSFS
>(The Search for Spock) or STIV:TVH (The Voyage Home). Which one is it?
>As for Savick being the same person as (I assume you mean Rebecca) the

Right there, I was myself a little confusiated on what he was talking
about.

>woman from Cheers, you still have the movie wrong! That would be STII: The
>Wrath of Khan. (Incidentally, I forget her ST name, but it wasn't Savick.)
>If you do mean Savick (from either STIII or STIV) then I'm not sure which
>Cheers actress you mean, because she doesn't look familiar to me. (Maybe
>she guest starred on Cheers?)

Wait, Here I think you're wrong. I'm quite sure that Savick was indeed 
played by her. I know she's in the movie (as you said) but I'm also sure 
that her character was Savick. It was in STIII that they changed actresses.

		CtB


	P.S., I;m really horrible at spelling, but it's it spelled "Saavick"?
I mean with two a's?

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From: wolfson@regatta.sps.mot.com (Stephen Wolfson)
Subject: Re: The Turbo lift - What gives?
Organization: SPS
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:49:24 GMT

Any possibility that this a "Real World" fix, to prevent the actors
from slamming into the doors as seen on the TOS bloopers.  They now
walk up to the TurboLift and wait for the door to open.
From: det@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Date: 24 Dec 1992 15:01:40 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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In article <BzqyB1.D1J@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:
>why can't she wear regular non-uniform clothes like other women on the ship  
>have been seen wearing?

What, you want fashion police on board the Enterprise?  I don't think her
normal clothing is inappropriate.  It covers her, and does not appear to
be a distraction to the crew, even if it does seem to upset the netters
(if there needs to be something tangible to upset netters :)



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From: evans@ece.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: RE: TROI SMUT????
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:44:05 GMT
Reply-To: evans@ece.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering

She can bare it for me anyday.
From: skeeter@skatter.usask.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
Date: 26 Dec 1992 21:46:34 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
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From article <JRBcwB1w164w@kryton.UUCP>, by albates@kryton.UUCP (al bates):
> cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma) writes:
>> skeeter@skatter.usask.ca writes:
>> >From article <1992Dec21.174735.22583@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, by W.O. Khan <Ch
>> >> DS9 makes more sense to me.  
>> >> Mystery Science Theater 3000 is not abreviated MSTTK, it is MST3K.
>> Doesn't carry, if you use the line that numbers should appear as number, then
>> you'de get MST3000. But they're going for a short abbreviation and so
>> use MST3K (cause MSTTT looks stupid!) but DSN or DS9 look both fine so.
>> I personally like DSN better cause it's three letters just like TNG, TOS
>> or TAS.
> Right... using "skeeter"'s logic, it MUST be abbreviated with DSN,
> since the show is called Deep Space NINE... not "9".
> MST3K would have to be "Mys Sci Theatre Three-thousand" to make MSTTK.


I agree with the above.  I like DSN, but have been using DS9 because some-
one said that's what it said on someone's hat [good reason, eh?... :) ]


I was amused by the above: my name is mentioned twice and yet no where does
my text actually appear.  Confusion arose because someone deleted my text
without removing my attribution line.  [go ahead and count it: there are
three "quotes" above and four atribution lines!]



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From: ac999239@umbc8.umbc.edu (ac999239)
Subject: Re: 3-4 shifts
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:38:54 GMT

>> The person who brought up the stupidity of the shift from 3-4 shifts 
>> was very correct.  Did one ever see in TOS anyone getting up in the
>> middle of battle or a tense situation saying "My shift is over, time to
>> punch out"  I didn't think so.  So it seems that the person's argument makes
>> sense, whether or not Starfleet is a military organization.  

> Perhaps you could explain this a bit better. What does this have to do
> with going from 3 to 4 duty shifts.  A 3 shift system also could change
> during a protracted battle.  Perhaps they should have no shifts so that
> no one can punch out during a battle.
>
> Jellico wanted the new delta shift on duty when they meet the
> Cardassians, but Riker said that gamma shift would still be on duty.
> Apparently Jellico wanted a fresh shift when they confronted the
> Cardassians and not one that was nearing the end of its watch.

I just thought of something. Technically when Jellico gave Riker the shift
changes order he was not in command of the ship! And he never asked Picard's 
permission either. I think Riker was, in a twisted sort of way, justified in
waiting until Jellico was OFFICIALLY in command before carrying out the orders.
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From: Eric Schlene <eschlene@indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
Organization: indiana university
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:14:14 GMT

If one goes by the AP style book, numbers ten and under are represented
by words. Therfore, DSN is proper form. But then again, styles change. .
. :^)

-ejs
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9 in boston area?
Date: 28 Dec 92 17:42:33 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <4649@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
>In article <27DEC92.20402618@vax.clarku.edu> mcohen@vax.clarku.edu writes:
><Three cheers to WCVB-5, though.  When TNG first premiered, they were the only
><network affiliate in the US to show it during prime-time (Saturday 8pm).  Of 
><course now its 7pm, but six years ago they got some free press on 
><Entertainment Tonight for the prime-time slot.

>Sorry, but our local CBS affiliate ran EaF during prime time as well.  They
>will be running DS9 Thursday night at 7pm (next week).

Yeah, but

1) Six years ago, CBS wasn't a real network :-) :-) and
2) Why should any network care what their *Madison* affiliate is doing? :-)

-- 
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University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

"Beauty... survives."
				- James T. Kirk, "That Which Survives"
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From: drac@uumeme.chi.il.us (Bruce Maynard)
Subject: Re: Federation Marines
Organization: UUMEME Public Access Xenix
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 02:28:16 GMT

In article <1hrfvsINNdrk@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> bafta@cats.ucsc.edu (Shari L Brooks) writes:
>
>As I recall, (correct meif I'm wrong here) the Enterprise is somewhat
>the equivalent of a Navy heavy cruiser.  [At least the original one was]
>
>While there might be some Marines abord a cruiser, its function is

Well, the Enterprise (prime) was CALLED a cruiser... but I also recall the phrase
"There're only 12 like hert in the fleet"... the Constitution-class vessels were the "big guns" of Starfleet...

Now, the Enterprise-D, however, has been called "in the series itself" a "battleship"...
and the episode wherein it was stated she COULD, in times of emergency, carry UP TO "several thousand troops",
would mean that she had the room & life support to do so (proilly by keeping every
engineer aboard on-duty 23-1/2 hrs a day  8-{)}  ), she did NOT do so on any 
regular basis... in fact, I seem to recall the statement "But, she's never been
called upon to actually do so, of course"...
From: starride@silver.ksu.ksu.edu (David Chase)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: 1701-D Flagship
Date: 3 Jan 1993 06:38:53 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
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Summary: The 1701D is the Flagship of the Federation

	Several times (I cant remember which episodes) the Enterprise is called
the Flagship of the Fed. . Also because the saucer section is a living quarters
ship (it has everything to make it its own instellar ship) the 1701D is the 
main body or as we use to call it the secondary hull.

	Another point. In the first or second episode Capt. Picard is not liking
the idea that he is going to have a Living Section attached to his ship. He 
would rather have nothing than have that type of section attached.


	And above all,  I  could be wrong or just misstaken. 
	But I believe that 

		if the above is not correct then you did not ask the right 
question. For the statements above are correct depending on the questions asked.


			:         \
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From: paul@pj.tmc.edu (Thorongil)
Subject: Re: ropes in TNG? !!!!! SPOILERS !!!!!
Organization: Mississippi State University ERC
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:21:41 GMT

SPOILER PROTECTION:



The special commando squad is going into enemy territory with 
only what they can carry with them.  How are they to know about
a 500 foot cliff that they need to repel down?  That is why
they don't have anti-grav boots.  So why do they have rope and
repelling gear?  Because the rope and webbing is more versatile.

Ever lug a pair of skiing boots around?  They are heavy and bulky.
In the same way the anti-grav boots would be heavy also.  O sure you
could run the boots so that they would be weightless - for as long
as your batteries held up.  Then they would be useless.

Ever lug some rope and webbing around?  In comparison they are light
and are less bulky.  Their batteries won't run down.  They can be
used for other situations also. 

For credits sake, I had the same question also.  My *wife* , who
suffers through ST because I like it ( and because she hates Troi and
wanted to see her put in her place this episode ), came
up with the answer above.

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From: dascoser@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (david serchay)
Subject: Re: How to Kill a Borg
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 06:01:26 GMT

jcharpak@acs.bu.edu (Joseph Charpak) writes:

> In article <1g4qr6INN972@transfer.stratus.com> det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (Davi
> >
> >(for a single Borg ship):
> >
> >Establish one of Wesley's Warp Bubbles (ref. "Remember Me") and let the
> >Borg thus trapped freely assimilate their rapidly shrinking universe.
> >May require some further research on how to establish one large enough
> >to enclose a Borg vessel, and may actually require a special unmanned
> >vessel (essentially a torpedo, but may need to be shuttlecraft-sized)
> >to carry the generator close enough
> Thank but no, that's an incorrect response (translation it's already been don
> Read Vendetta IMHO the *best* ST TNG novel written to date.  Didn't even kill
> a single borg ship although it seriously weakened it though enough to zap it
>  with conventional weapons and a super version of the planet eater from TOS 
> (I think the episode was The Doomsday Machine).  Good backround on Picard and
> how Kirk is viewed in the 24th century.  We get mixed impressions about Kirk
> in the episodes The Naked Now (...Enterprise NCC-1701 ...commanded by *a* 
> Captain James T. Kirk like he was some nobody freight captain who died and
> made no impact on history.  On the other hand from Unification Picard knows
> all about Spock + Kirk and ST VI (although why he should remember that movie
> of all things only Q knows....)) :)
> 
> Joe.
> 
> No sig. so shoot me (phasers on kill...shields up)

A Freind of mine came up with and idea.There would be a lot of casulties,
but he feels it might work. We've seen that the Borg tend to ignore 
people who beam aboard thier shops. My friend sugests that hundred could 
beam over and then start  destroying some of the important  things o  the 
ship ie. the cables that connect systems.

Dascoser
From: jdsiegel@garnet.berkeley.edu (Joel Siegel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Transporter questions
Date: 25 Dec 1992 04:20:08 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <1992Dec10.143845.19385@hellgate.utah.edu> jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.105629.61899@cc.usu.edu> sl6wv@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>
>>	I don't mean to be flamed away, but since it hasn't been posted for
>>awhile, even if it hasn't been updated, put the FAQ back online.  Some of us
>>have system administrators that keep a tight ship and delete all the messages
>>within a few days, and I think at least on my system the FAQ is one of the
>>casualties.
>
>I agree.  I haven't seen the FAQ for a couple of weeks now, and RAST
>articles expire on my system in 3 days.  There is a special net.?
>newsgroup for FAQs, but I don't remember where it is.  Summary: don't
>chew people out for not reading the FAQ when the FAQ is hard to find.
>

Thank you, thank you, thank you.  FAQ should be Frequently
Answered Questions, not *only* Frequently Asked Questions, and
that can only happen if it's PFE (TLA: Posted Frequently Enough).
If you have a problem with someone's question, email them. Flaming
people for being nasty or obnoxious or rude or unethical (etc.) is
one thing; flaming for ignorance is another and IMHO inexcusable
(and bravo to those who have the temerity to ask "stupid"
quetions; you probably got chewed out a lot as a child by stupid
impatient "adults"); flaming someone *publicly* for the above is
not only rude but a waste of bandwidth.


-- 
Joel Siegel <jdsiegel@garnet.berkeley.edu    jdsiegel@ocf.berkeley.edu>
"Politics is the art of preventing people from taking part in
affairs which properly concern them."  - Paul Valery
From: newcomb@enews.nrl.navy.mil (Dale Newcomb)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: new episode?
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:48:23 GMT
Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC

What's the title of the newest episode and when did it air?
(The one that spawned the rope thread - no pun intended :*) )
The Paramount station here, showed the new episodes for about
6 weeks (I think the one with the female Q was the last) and
then they've had repeats from this season since then! ST:TNG
seasons can't be THAT short! What episodes have aired in season 
6 to date? Might as well mail me a reply, no sense in wasting 
space here. Thanks,

-Dale

I'm dying for Deep Space 9 to start, I hope it's as good or better
than TNG!
From: chuck@scilab.lonestar.org (Chuck Knight)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Enterprise Hotel Idea
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 01:11:49 CST
Organization: Science Lab; Arlington, Texas

OK, with all this talk about a scale model of the Enterprise as a hotel 
at Disney, has anyone decided to make the pitch?  I mean, it sounds like 
a viable idea, and potentially VERY profitable.  Perhaps, also, a 
Starfleet Academy hotel, for the younger visitors, like high-school and 
college kids, would be possible.  So, to whom do we make the pitch?

     --Chuck Knight
From: cq377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David C. Williss)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: StarDate Answers
Date: 28 Dec 1992 03:46:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cq377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David C. Williss)
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In a previous article, brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) says:

>In article <1992Dec26.173010.1152@mala.bc.ca> dunae@mala.bc.ca writes:
><StarDate Answers
><In the TNG technical manual it says that StarDates are used to keep
><the captain's personnal log entries in order.   The StarDate is changed
><every day (ex: Monday=Stardate 1, Tuesday=StarDate 2, ect.).   The
><fraction at the end of the StarDate indicates the time of day, acording
><to a 24 hour clock ((ex: Monday 1 a.m.=StarDate 1.1, Tuesday 1 p.m.=
><StarDate 2.13).-- 
>
>Page number please.  I couldn't find it in my copy of the book.  What you
>say just does not makes sense, especially the way the numbers are used.
>There are 1000 stardates in a year.  The start of a season begins near 000
>and the end of the season ends near 999.  Look at all of the numbers again,
>everything fits the 1000 stardate scheme.
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>
According to one of the lists-of-lists floating around here somewhere on
the net (althouth I couldn't find it now if I tried), Stardates in TOS
were mostly random.  They would progress during a show as mentioned above,
but the stardate of each show was random.  In TNG, stardates are as
follows:

	45123.7
	^^--- ^
	|| |  |--- fraction of a day
	|| |------ portion of a season
	||-------- Season (5th season)
	|--------- 24th century

The 2nd digit refers to Television seasons, not
spring-summer-fall-winter type seasons

I didn't know this myself until I read it here on alt.startrek.current
(I think that's where it was)

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