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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip 'AdaX' Sauls)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: New Amigas Announced!!!!
Date: 11 Apr 92 02:12:54 GMT
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science

Okay, now that I have your attention, I would like to know what brands of 
beer are the favorites among comp.sys.amiga.advocacy readers.  Over the 
last year or so I have noticed several posters remarking that they were
drunk or were in the process of getting drunk.  Some talked about beer,
others did not mention the beverage.  I seem to recall Dave Haynie stating
his love of beer, and I would like to buy him a case or two in thanks for
the awesome A3000 (and hopefully even better Amigas in the future).

This may seem like an odd topic, but it is about as relevant to the Amiga
as some of the other stuff discussed here.  Personally, I would rather 
have a pint of bitter from a British pub than any other beer, but in this
hick state I would be lucky to find anything remotely British.  As a 
student I tend to buy beer based on price, so I rarely drink any of the 
imports.  My favorite American beer is Coors Light, followed by Miller 
Genuine Draft Light, Bud Light, and Miller Light.

I hope no one gets too pissed off by this post, but if you are, why don't
you grab a cold one, get a little buzz, and enjoy life a bit.  :-)

Skip Sauls                     //    Graduate Student & Instructor & Beer Lover
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu    \X/     CS Department, University of Mississippi
From: dtiberio@csws6.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Jerry "knows" 486's faster than 68040.
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:11:29 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook

In article <1992Apr7.201127.7425@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nishith A. Patel) writes:
>it is interesting how whenver Amiga owners are faced with evidence proving
>slower performance, they say, well it depends on the OS and the compiler
>and blah blah blah.

	Yeah, that sure is interesting. I noticed a Mac user trying to
prove his computer was faster than a 486 and he ended up selling
his Mac and buying an Amiga. On another day I overheard two
professors arguing which assembly course to cancel, and the
Itel professor proved that the 486 was faster, so the Motorola
guy also bought an Amiga that very same day. 

>All this proves is that compilers on Amigas suck, which means their

	I know what you mean. My compiler doesn't even work.
I am surprised they have ever been able to write anything
on the Amiga using compilers. I am glad I still kept my
interpreters, such as ARexx and Amiga BASIC. And we know
how good an interpreter Amiga BASIC is.

>applications will suck. 

	All of my applications do suck. 

	The OS sucks.

>		And the OS sucks, so do not say anything more about
>how great your OS is, because you just claimed that it sucks.

	Yes I did just make that claim.

>Nish Patel   nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
>A
>

	I think I will sell my Amiga systems and get one of
those $1200 B&R machines...valued at $19,000, with all the
IBM components I could ever dream about. 


	I hate Amiga users...they are all farkin morons.


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From: har@ux.acs.umn.edu (--SeebS--)
Subject: Memory duplication.
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 06:38:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.035914.16067@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nishith A. Patel) writes:
>jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
[in reference to running a 700k program 5 times in 1 mb]
>>Both Windows and Unix have this capability.  Please limit your stupid
>>bashing to things you know about.

Actually, neither of them does, normally. Even the most efficient unixes
recognize that some data can not be shared intelligently between invocations -
if each of your invocations of a given editor *must* be on the same file,
and must be at the same line number, and must use the same window, and
so on, you are not gaining much by running it five times; on the other
hand, if you keep separate copies of all the data, you use more memory.

>Anyway, the ability to run the same app 5 times efficiently alone hardly
>makes it a revolutionary OS superior to anything  else that is not 
>fortunate to run on the mighty Amiga (NOT!).

Well, unix and amigados probably do it much *better* than windows; I would
be rather suprised if windows had caught up with unix, which after all
is only about 15 years old. :)

And many apps *need* to be run multiple times. A shell, for instance?
If you need to clone your *entire* shell to run another one, you're going
to get screwed. Editors are another good candidate for *needing* to share
memory well.

>Nish Patel   nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

-s
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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:   The Under $10K Unix Workstation!
Distribution: world
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:06:29 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <p9ztbrc@rpi.edu> borres@aix.rpi.edu (Steven D. Borrelli) writes:
>In article <root.01a3@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr2.002844.15696@seas.gwu.edu> gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>>>kls30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com writes:
>>>>IT's NeXTStep not NeXTView.  By that one statement alone I can see you
>>>>know very little about the machine.
>>>
>>>Maybe that is his point.  Few people do.
>>
>>Steve Jobs seems to like it that way.  NeXTStep for 486 clones is going to
>>be about $2500 dollars.
>>
>It's going to be $1000 for the basic version and $2500 for the developer
>version. That's about the same price as Solaris. 
>
>After paying lic. fees to AT&T and Adobe, UNIX is going to be expensive. 
>Price Commodore's UNIX offering or any other one (like AU/X).

I wouldn't buy UNIX without a compiler.  You can get SVR4 from at least
4 reputable companies in the $600 to $1600 range with X11, compiler, 
text processing, and developer utilities included.

A 486 with NeXTStep will end up having the same cost as a NeXT box, and
the video may not be as good.

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From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Apple "Loses" Look-and-Feel Lawsuit
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:45:33 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

damiel@netcom.com (Paul Theodoropoulos) writes:

>they've gone after many small businesses in "protecting" their hallowed
>MacIntosh *name*... it's rather surprised me that they've never even 
>mentioned C= and the Amiga, considering C= has used Trashcan Icons,
>window sizers, etc etc that are fundamentally similar (there's that
>"look and feel" idea!) to the Mac. 

  Suing Commodore would mean that Apple acknowledges it's existence and being
a possible threat to their business.  I doubt that they'd do that.  Besides,
isn't Commodore being more than effective already in squelching the Amiga?

  -jack-
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From: dano@usl.edu (Dan Stephenson)
Subject: Re: Considering switching to IBM
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 02:43:39 GMT

wulf@elfie.async.vt.edu (Jake Rose) writes:

>In article <1992Apr10.031205.1081@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
>>
>>My buddy Paul has this cool looking wallpaper program on his Workbench...
>>he's currently got this wild-looking midevial dragon.
>>
>>Thom

>For those of us with 2.04, there's also the NickPrefs preferences extension,
>which has a background image preferences program.  It blows wallp, tapestry,
>tapete, etcetera away.

Ha! How _much_ better can you GET? I say this since there *isn't* much
to simply putting a picture as wallpaper,...

_Dan
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From: rhealey@kas.helios.mn.org (Rob Healey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Mac OS just sucks -- "ease of use" = "lack of freedom" ?
Date: 3 Apr 92 04:40:23 GMT
Organization: Rob's home system, Hopkins, MN

In article <1992Mar30.081609.4441@crash.cts.com>, dvan@pnet01.cts.com (David Vandeven) writes:
|> The Macintosh WILL have a full-blown CLI available shareware in the next six
|> months that will outperform the amiga CLI in flexibility and power. 
|> I can say no more....
|> 
	Gee why not?

	Anyways:

	1) The Amiga CLI is a moving target. Plus, AmigaDOS is
	   capable of running many different shells all at the
	   same time.

	2) No matter what shell is used, when combined with AREXX I find
	   it VERY hard to believe that any one shell/CLI on the Mac
	   could be more powerful than CLI+AREXX or one of the other
	   shells plus AREXX on the Amiga.

	Gee, now I guess Apple will say IT invented interactive shells
	and sue anybody who says otherwise...

		Nice try tho,

			-Rob
From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: OS/2 (was Re: Face it)
Date: 9 Apr 92 06:38:37 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

borres@aix.rpi.edu (Steven D. Borrelli) writes:
>At $49.95 a pop, is IBM going to make any money off of OS/2? I know they 
>want to get market share and all, but I heard their development costs were
>in the billions. 
>
>Can you hear IBM's answer?
>"So, how do we make money off OS/2? I'll sum it up in one word:volume."
>
>BTW, I too am anxiously waiting to see what OS/2 is like. I may get flamed
>for saying this, but I'd like to see IBM correct its ways and its downhill
>slide. 

I just read that IBM thinks they'll sell 2-4 million this year.  

OTOH, Microsoft predicts only around 200,000 copies will be sold :^)

kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
From: tron1@tronsbox.UUCP (Kenneth Jamieson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM is a game machine company
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:27:50 GMT
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.

In article <1992Apr5.031535.5979@seq.uncwil.edu> drollin@seq.uncwil.edu (David A. Rollins) writes:
>
>Unlike Apple and IBM, CBM makes their products with the ability to
>upgrade from one computer sytem to the next. One does not have to
>give up his software to move up a grade. The higher grade computers
>have the ability to emulate their predecessors, so there is no loss
>there.

	What are you talking about?

	With the exception of a small amount of ill behaved software
(a problem the Amiga has as well) there has been no compatibiliy lost
in the PC market as things have moved up.

	VGA cards ran all the EGA and CGA code, 386's run 8088 code,
Windows runs a lot of DOS software and so on.

	Actually, one of the BEST things about the whole PC mess is
the modularity. I can buy a better motherboard and out it in the case
my xt came in - and keep my old hardware.

>
>The words that they say are hat remains. They all say the same thing,
>"Wow, the Amiga is great. I wish my Mac could do that." or "Wow, the
>Amiga is great. I wish my '386 could do that."

	And many of us are having the opposite problem.

	1024x768x256 colors on a $200 budget falls into the "Wow! I
wish my Amiga could do that!" catagory as well :-)




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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Intel HW
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 21:55:19 GMT

gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>
>Okay.  If you are comparing graphics performance, then you would have to use
>an Amiga equivalent to the ET4000 SVGA card.  The DMI Resolver should do it.
>

Hmmm...  How much does the resolver cost?  The ET4000 SVGA is about $100.

>
>In any event it is not easy to accept a claim that a 386 performs better
>than an A3000.  I have yet to see it happen, even if it is possible.
>

Your claim is no easier to accept than mine, unfortunately.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: justin@graphlab.cc.uky.edu  (Justin Sullivan)
Subject: Re:  Mac OS just sucks -- "ease of use" = "lack of freedom"
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:12:51 GMT
X-Bytes: 

Paul Swanson writes
> The one big area where I have found Word lacking is in the treatment of
> floating objects.  Mixing figures in with text I have found to be
> somewhat complicated in Word, mainly because I haven't figured out how
> to get Word to fill in the current page with text if a figure ends up
> not fitting on the page where I put it.  A page break is inserted for
> the figure and I may end up with half a page or more blank.  Also,
> figure or table numbering is lacking in Word.  There must be some way to
> get Word to automatically number tables and figures but I have yet to
> figure out how.  This does not seem to be ease of use.  In LaTeX it is
> trivial.  Along the same lines, I like to label all my figures and then
> always refer to them by label.  This makes editing and rearranging
> documents much easier.  However, I have no idea how to do this in Word.

You forget, though, that Word is not Word. Word 5 is MUCH, MUCH better then  
Word 4.. Many problems in Word 4 are now trivial with Word 5, and bless Bill  
Gates for the program to begin with!
 
> The bottom line is that I consider the above to be highly desireable in
> the preparation of technical documents and in these areas TeX is easier
> to use than Word.  Of course if you really want to stir things up post a
> message saying you think Word is better than TeX in comp.text.tex.  Then
> you can find out the full extent of your ignorance.

The full extent of WHAT ignorance? Have you used Word 5 (yet?) It is much  
better suited to scientific/technical applications then Word 4. FrameMaker  
claims to be better, but it's not much fun to use. I know how to do equations  
with TeX and LaTeX, and I see how it is in fact, easier to do (if you know what  
you're doing). But Word 5 saves a lot of time and headaches..
Incidentally, how does this relate to the differences between the Mac and the  
Amiga? 

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From: hauer@roby.ecn.purdue.edu (Corey Hauer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amax on a 3000 questions...
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:20:21 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr13.142656.9461@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>>I've heard that the emulation on a stock 500 gives the same performance as 
>>a MAC SE, is this correct? How fast is a 25Mhz A3000 (ie faster than a Mac II
>>fx or what)?
>	The A3000 is a little faster.

Than a IIfx?  I think not.

>>Does AMAX run System 7?
>	Some people claim it works for them, But Apple designed
>System 7 not to work with the current AMAX.

I heard that too.  Is there any truth to this (does anyone really _know_).

-Corey
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: har@ux.acs.umn.edu (--SeebS--)
Subject: Re: *** ULTIMATE BASHING for PeeCee Users
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 06:26:38 GMT

In article <mykes.2295@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>How often do you think the Amiga gurus?

Depends. I just switched the jumpers over to PAL, and suddenly a few
pieces of software broke, so I've had maybe three or four within the
last three days.

Other than that, oh, maybe every month or two.

The single-tasking DOS box I work on, running nothing other than MSC,
locks up completely at least once a day. :)

>Author of Amiga GRn, MailMinder, Budokan, Beyond Dark Castle, Dark Castle,
>and Genesis Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
>Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
>1124 Fremont Ave.
>Los Altos, CA 94024

-s
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From: don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Beer to be bundled w/New Amigas!
Summary: was 'New Amigas Announced' beer discussion...
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:47:53 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware


     Yes, that's right, the word is that in an unprecedented marketing move
that's sure to sell Amigas like never before, Commodore has announced two new
machines that are aimed squarely at the beer drinking computer users' 
market!

     The Amiga 3000K (the 'K' is for 'Keg') is a standard A3000 with a 
bottle opener mounted next to the floppy bays.  The machine will also come
standard with a keg filled with the foreign or domestic beer of your choice,
plus a coupon for savings of up to $500 on beer from participating vendors.

     The Amiga 300L 'Lite' is a low-end machine similar to the A500, but
shipping with a 12-pack of the 'lite' beer of your choice.

     Commodore hopes to penetrate the college market with new educational
'Party Ball' bundles and a new slogan: "Amiga: The Computer for the Inebriated
Mind".

     Also rumored to be waiting in the wings is the A1000LSD, which will 
be bundled with hallucinogenic substances designed to make the user
perceive that they're using a new chipset capable of displaying millions
of colors at high resolution.  Supposedly, a redesigned AmigaVision
(renamed AmigaHallucination) will also be packaged with this new machine.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: sclever@nmt.edu (Shawn Clever)
Subject: What will it take to turn CBM around???
Keywords: What do we do about this?
Organization: New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 00:57:22 GMT

Well, I have been reading this newsgroup for a while, but this is my 
second post, and I am probably restating the most obvious concerns...

We all seem to have a bitch with CBM or the software that supports their
machines.  It all seems to stem from CBM's failure to keep in step with 
current technology, failure to refine and upgrade existing products, failure
to provide competent support, and failure to develop an aggressive marketing
stance and plan for the future.

Again, forgive me for restating the obvious... I am trying to synthesize a 
point of discussion...

*** What can WE do as users to ensure the survival and further development
of one of the best-designed, multi-tasking platforms ever created??  ***

Individually, many of us have made an attempt to tell CBM what is on our
minds.  However, for the most part, the results have been just short of 
screaming inside of a bell jar.

Could I be nieve enough to propose a single drafted letter expressing the 
major concerns of the majority of Amiga users that would be sent by each
and every Amiga owner/user/enthusiast to DELUGE CBM with our concerns, sort
of like that "Kid dying of cancer--send a postcard" idea???

A single letter, with concrete concerns sent by every Amiga user in America
and Overseas might get the point across  (not that we could actually get 
every user.)

I don't think anyone of us would like to see this platform go the way of 
the osbourne or the Colecovison Adam.  Let's discuss what can be done
to prevent it from happening.


Idealistically yours,


Shawn Clever
(sclever@titan2.nmt.edu)
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  C= policy (Re: Apple problems "Home computer")
Distribution: world
Date: 15 Apr 92 10:01:02 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Apr13.132635.14449@public.sub.org> peterk@public.sub.org (Peter Kittel) writes:
>tron1@tronsbox.UUCP (Kenneth Jamieson) writes:
>
>>	Heh. With the var prices on SX motherboards under 200$ I would
>>say 286's are effectively dead.
>
>Well, but there are different markets. Commodore just only abandoned
>the 8088 XTs, but now we have a brand-new 286 with 16 MHz, and it's
>supposed to sell like h*ll.

In the US, I would say that 8088 systems are dead.  The 286 is still around
but only a few manufacturers are still making the systems.  Harris makes a
20 mhz 286 chip, but I have only seen two systems that used it.  Compuadd,
the clone dealer, was selling a 20 mhz 286 system for a while.  They ran
it against a 20 mhz 386SX system and found that the 286 was faster at 
running MSDOS ( non-Windows ) applications.

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From: peterk@public.sub.org (Peter Kittel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Intel HW
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:00:18 GMT
Organization: Public News & Mailserver, Commodore Germany PM UNIX, Frankfurt

nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nishith A. Patel) writes:

>jbono@tension.UUCP (John Bono) writes:

>>further amplified since the Amiga has very little OS overhead.  Actions that
>>suck CPU time out of traditional computers like the PC and MAC are covered by
>>the Amiga's custom chips, such as screen refresh, disk access, etc.  

>Screen refreshes! you have to be joking! If the Amiga becomes a powerful
>machine when doing a trivial chore like screen refreshes (compared to the
>utility and ability of doing anything else a computer does), then it
>obviously sucks when doing some serious work. 

Don't know whether John meant it this way, but perhaps in Amiga speak,
we mean with "screen refresh" an "update (graphics-wise) to some *new*
contents" (can you say animation?). This is not at all a trivial chore
in my eyes.

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