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From: jwaustin@bcars182.UUCP (John Austin)
Subject: Re: CS Master's grad seeks NLP/AI/Technical Writing Position (Canada)
Keywords: job, resume, AI, NLP
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:10:44 GMT

In article <BxGxJn.Iqz@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca>, cpshelle@logos.uwaterloo.ca (cameron shelley) writes:
....

|> I have recently .... I have deferred my entry into the Ph.D.  program in
|> order to seek industry experience, but I am also willing to consider ...

I started to browse your cover letter because I'm aways looking for good ideas
to put in cover letters (job hunting is a skill that needs to be excercised like
other skills). I stopped when I got to the part that implied I'M REALLY
MUCH TOO CLEVER TO WASTE MY TIME WORKING FOR A LIVING BUT I NEED THE MONEY SO
I'LL LET YOU HIRE ME IF YOU OFFER ME ENOUGH ...

Do you think a personnel director will waste his time reading any further ? If you
want to be a writer you should demonstrate a little better planning in ordering your
ideas. Give them a reason to hire you up front, not a reason to discard you.

You should say something like I'M TIRED OF BEING WARM AND DRY AND I WANT TO CARRY
A RIFLE FOR YOU AND GET WET AND DIRTY AND COLD BUT I'LL BE GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO CAPTURE A LITTLE BIT OF GROUND FOR YOUR CORPORATE ARMY! 

Don't lie on your resume and don't tell em everything you are thinking about. Just
tell em why they will be glad they hired you.


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I don't speak for BNR. I just march along with the rest of my Legion.

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From: christo@bcarh803.BNR.CA (Mark Christopher)
Subject: Re: CS Master's grad seeks NLP/AI/Technical Writing Position (Canada)
Reply-To: christo@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:51:39 GMT

In article <BxKo17.7Mn@math.uwaterloo.ca>, cpshelle@neumann.uwaterloo.ca
(cameron shelley) writes:
|>sjm@bcrki65.bnr.ca (Stuart MacMartin) writes:
|>[...]
|>> Though I agree he's cutting his options rather short by implying he'll
|>> accept a permanent position only if the offer is good enough. 
|>
|>But this is a rather vacuous statement: isn't this true of all job
|>seekers depending on what they consider "good enough"?  To say I'm
...

Read the article again.  I understood sjm's comment to be that you are
explicitly eliminating most of the full-time jobs, which does cut your
options short.


>> In article <BxGxJn.Iqz@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca>,
cpshelle@logos.uwaterloo.ca (cameron shelley) writes:
...
>I have been accepted in the Ph.D.  program at a fairly well-to-do
>university (Waterloo)

Yeah, so what?  Does a "well-to-do" university mean that it is a good
university?  Even so, does that mean anything?

I have come to the conclusion that the completion of a graduate degree
means nothing, other than the holder had enough time and finances to wait
out the long process of getting a degree.  (In case you're interested, I
hold one of these extra degrees I now think of with some disdain...)

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From: cpshelle@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (cameron shelley)
Subject: Re: CS Master's grad seeks NLP/AI/Technical Writing Position (Canada)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:05:31 GMT

sjm@bcrki65.bnr.ca (Stuart MacMartin) writes:
[...]
> Though I agree he's cutting his options rather short by implying he'll
> accept a permanent position only if the offer is good enough. 

But this is a rather vacuous statement: isn't this true of all job
seekers depending on what they consider "good enough"?  To say I'm
cutting my options rather short with my statement seems to assume that
I have a very lordly opinion of myself.  Why do you make that
assumption?

> The way I read it, he is a serious worker who wants a stepping stone job.
> If there is a company with a stepping stone position, there's a good match.
> If there is a full-time position that is a good match, all the
> better.

That's essentially what I intended to communicate.

</dev/cam
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From: cpshelle@logos.uwaterloo.ca (cameron shelley)
Newsgroups: ont.jobs,can.jobs,kw.jobs,misc.jobs.resumes,tor.general,ott.general
Subject: Re: CS Master's grad seeks NLP/AI/Technical Writing Position (Canada)
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:35:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Waterloo

jwaustin@bcars182.UUCP (John Austin) writes:
> In article <BxGxJn.Iqz@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca>, cpshelle@logos.uwaterloo.ca (cameron shelley) writes:
> ....
> 
> |> I have recently .... I have deferred my entry into the Ph.D.  program in
> |> order to seek industry experience, but I am also willing to consider ...
> 
> I started to browse your cover letter because I'm aways looking for
> good ideas to put in cover letters (job hunting is a skill that needs
> to be excercised like other skills).  I stopped when I got to the part
> that implied I'M REALLY MUCH TOO CLEVER TO WASTE MY TIME WORKING FOR A
> LIVING BUT I NEED THE MONEY SO I'LL LET YOU HIRE ME IF YOU OFFER ME
> ENOUGH ... 

I have been accepted in the Ph.D.  program at a fairly well-to-do
university (Waterloo), so I don't see how it follows that I'm cold and
starving.  And if I think I'm too clever to work for a living, as you
put it, why am I looking for a job when I apparently don't have to? 

[...]
> You should say something like I'M TIRED OF BEING WARM AND DRY AND I
> WANT TO CARRY A RIFLE FOR YOU AND GET WET AND DIRTY AND COLD BUT I'LL
> BE GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO CAPTURE A LITTLE BIT OF GROUND FOR
> YOUR CORPORATE ARMY! 

I'm attempting to give an accurate account of myself in a professional
tone.  I suspect a company recruiter would rather interview someone
who displays professional candour rather than the mannerisms of an
obsequious banshee.  What I meant with that line was that if someone
offers me a permanent position, then that is exactly the basis on
which I'd accept it.  So far as I can tell, that's exactly what I
said.  

You certainly have some interesting ideas about university grads.

</dev/cam
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From: jwaustin@bcars182.UUCP (John Austin)
Subject: Re: CS Master's grad seeks NLP/AI/Technical Writing Position (Canada)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:00:37 GMT


Let me spell it out for you. It is going to cost a company between twenty
and one hundred thousand dollars to make you into a productive member of their
organisation. (Companies who won't invest in you are not worth your consideration).

Except for a small number of employers (BNR among them) they
aren't interested in yourdoctoralplans. No personnel director wants to
hire someone who sees the job as a temporary commitment to be cast offin a
few years. They want to hire the person who will pay the greatest return on
this investment for the longest period.

They don't give a tinkers'damn about your sense of candour. They measure
the world in terms of dollars on the bottom line. Your job is selling
yourself and you should not put anything in a letter of application that
detracts from your desirability (unless it detracts materially from your 
ability to execute your part of an employment contract). In a similar
vein you should not divulge too much detail about your other options.

You have to realize that personnel directors are innundated with resumes for
every advertised position. They have to score each resume like a test paper
with points deducted for negative attributes like (I know COBOL!) and points 
on for useful stuff like (I know C++ and OSF/Motif). The biggest mistake
people make is saying too much (I had a paper route at age seven; or I am
waiting to get into the French Foreign Legion). Brevity is often rewarded
with better marks (gee whiz, just like skule)than might be otherwise
forthcoming.

I did have an ulterior motive in my post by the way, I needed to elicit a
response to verify that my posts will get out of the gateway and that set the
abrasive atribute in my output method.

If you think my ideas about students are funny you should hear me on politics!

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From: sjm@bcrki65.bnr.ca (Stuart MacMartin)
Subject: Re: CS Master's grad seeks NLP/AI/Technical Writing Position (Canada)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:47:53 GMT

What you both say is true.  The question really is, does he want just any job, or
is he willing to risk not getting a job in order to get one that matches his
career interests?  There may indeed be companies that don't mind hiring someone
for the short term.  They won't invest as much money into training him, and he
won't feel guilty when he leaves.  The company will get assistance on a short-term
project, and he'll get some industry experience.  What's wrong with looking for an
ideal match?

Though I agree he's cutting his options rather short by implying he'll accept a
permanent position only if the offer is good enough.

The way I read it, he is a serious worker who wants a stepping stone job.
If there is a company with a stepping stone position, there's a good match.
If there is a full-time position that is a good match, all the better.

People often leave after 2 years anyway.

Of course, I'm not in any personel or human resources department, so what do I know?

Stuart
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From: "barry ross" <barry.ross@canrem.com>
Subject: project engineer - to
Reply-To: "barry ross" <barry.ross@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: ont
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:12:14 EST


ML>z  Newsgroup: ont.jobs
ML>z Message-ID: <1992Nov4.140945.2190@ists.ists.ca>
ML>z    Subject: Project Engineer - Toronto

ML> INSTITUTE FOR SPACE AND TERRESTRIAL SCIENCE (ISTS)

ML>           PROJECT COMPUTING ENGINEER: Ref. no. SGL-9211A

Maria Li,

Is  there  a summer student assistant position connected  to  the 
above position for a second to third year electrical engineering, 
U.  of  Toronto  student who has additional  computer  programing 
experience.

He  won  the  Mr. Muffler award in high school  for  the  highest 
computer science OAC mark for his year.

If there is such a position.  When should he submit his resume?

ML>ISTS is committed to Employment Equity.
ML>--
ML>Maria Li                       Tel.:     (416) 665-5402
ML>Director, Human Resources              Fax:      665-2032
ML>Institute for Space and Terrestrial Science    Internet: maria@ists.ists.ca
ML>4850 Keele Street 

This is his father asking the questions, since I was the individ-
ual who noticed your notice and he is heavily into mid terms.

I  would appreciate a reply one way or the other.  That way I  am 
assured you received the message and the message did not get lost 
in cyper-space out there.

Regards,

Mr. Barry P. Ross
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From: bruder@eagle-bb.ee.QueensU.CA (Steve Bruder)
Newsgroups: ont.forsale
Subject: XT's sought
Keywords: XT clones, 8088
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:56:29 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: Dept. of Electrical Engineering, Queen's University, Kingston, Ontario, Canada

I am posting this for a friend.  Please respond to the address listed below.
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Looking for XT computers for use by primary school
in return money as well as charitable donation certificates 
offered.

Please return mail to:
dekok@rmc.ca
From: coxm@Software.Mitel.COM (Michael Cox)
Newsgroups: ont.forsale
Subject: re:  VT220 keyboards
Keywords: VT220, keyboards
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:18:10 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.


Tim Foley,
   I tried to reach you but the mail got bounced back.

I have one keyboard to sell/trade.  It's in excellent condition.


Michael


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From: hal@nexus.yorku.ca (Harvey Haldorson)
Subject: Wanted: Mountain Bike
Organization: York University
Distribution: ontario
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:02:09 GMT

A friend without access to the net is looking for a mountain bike,
approximately 22" frame, for a reasonable to ridiculously inexpensive
price.

please reply to my email account.

hal@nexus.yorku.ca
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From: bli@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: MS Works for sale
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 05:57:33 GMT

I have the following software to sale


MicroSoft Works
Orignal Disks (4) and Manual

I ask for $50 (include shipping)


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From: "steve hartwell" <steve.hartwell@canrem.com>
Subject: what is allowed here?
Reply-To: "steve hartwell" <steve.hartwell@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: ont
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:18:52 EST





 Hello All - and powers that govern:

 I would like to learn what is allowed here in the way of advertising
 anything for sale or trade.

 - Does it have to be one's own possession, or can it be commercial ?

 - Can there be UUENCODED GIF's sent by Email thru here ?

 - If so, would/should there be a size limit on # of messages per GIF?

 - Would there be sufficient interest for Email GIF's ?

 - Or is there sufficient interest in access to downloading GIF's ?

 Many thanks for your responses of enlightenment.

 steve.hartwell@canrem.com  <in Toronto, Ontario, Canada>



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From: tfoley@r-node.gts.org (Tim Foley)
Subject: Wanted VT220 Keyboards
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX Information System (416-249-5366)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:48:06 GMT

 
  WANTED :   Dec VT220 Keyboards - QTY 3
 
 
  I recently aquired 3 VT220's....sans keyboards....if anyone has any or
even some broken ones....please drop me a line....desperate  :)
 
  Willing to trade one VT220 for 2 keyboards, though all 3 VT220's need
some work to get going  (Video Sync adjustments etc..   I have fixed one
so far and starting on the other 2).
 
  Willing to trade anything else...Software/hardware...small amount of
cash....lets talk! 
 
							Tim

P.S.   'Dey Don't Work So Good wit-out dose k'boards....'
 

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From: "dave keffer" <dave.keffer@canrem.com>
Subject: lots of stuff for sale!!!
Reply-To: "dave keffer" <dave.keffer@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: ont
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:28:10 EST

(Continued from the previous message)

o    FoxPro, v1.02 (not upgraded)                             100   o
o    Paradox, version 3.5                                     150   o
o    dBase IV Developer's Reference (book, MIS Press)          15   o
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From: tak@doe.utoronto.ca (Tak Ariga)
Subject: Toronto -> Vancouver - AIR CANADA - $100
Organization: Dictionary of Old English - U of Toronto
Distribution: ont
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:05:00 GMT

One way plane ticket on Air Canada, Toronto to Vancouver, on Dec. 14, 1992,
for a female traveller.

Asking $100.00 O.B.O.

Contact via email.

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From: sun@bcars6a2.bnrottawa (Frank Kannemann)
Subject:  Wanted Atari Monitor - Ottawa
Reply-To: frankk@Canada.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems of Cabada, Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:58:31 GMT

I am posting this on the behalf of a relative...

WANTED Monitor of Atari 512/1024 color preferably...

Call Greg Ouimet at:

613-837-0482
or
613-830-0716

Or email frankk@Canada.Sun.COM or sun@bnr.ca
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Newsgroups: ont.forsale
From: rajacobs@plg.uwaterloo.ca (Rory Jacobs)
Subject: n scale and HO scale trains 
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:43:38 GMT


Hi,

I have the following items for sale:                          
   1 4' by 8 n scale layout, all the benchwork done!!  A must see at   $150
      This includes 11 Atlas left remote #4 switches
                     3 Atlas right remote #4 switches
                     1 roco small left hand switch
                     Lot's of flex track, sectional track already laid.
                     All the wiring is done
                     Is already a table.  (Comes with legs).
                     part of a table constructed, already construced.
                     3 buildings, and some other accessors
                     2 transformers
       The cost for materials would be easily > $500

       Willing to sell some engines and cars.
       Christmas is coming after all!
       Price is negotiable

or
   (I am willing to tear the layout apart!)
                                                              myprice  brandnew
   n scale
  13 remote right switches Atlas #4 (used)                    $10      $20
   4 left remote switch Atlas #4 (used)                       $10      $20
   3 left remote roco small switch (new)                      $10      $20 (?)
   2 left remote roco smal switch (used)                      $8       $20 (?)
   1 left remote roco large switch (used)                     $10      ?

   Atlas sectional track

   6 section 1/2 9 3/4" radius (new)                          $1.50    $3.00
   6 section 5" straight       (new)                          $1.50    $3.00

   I also have some used flex track and sectional track available, if
   your interested.  Will sell it _real_ cheap!!


   HO Scale
   In ok shape, not great, all the engines run:
     7 engines, about 2 dozen cars.  A box full of track (including 2 pairs
     of switches, two transformes), and a tunnel.  All of this for $200
     Will sell peacemeal; make me an offer . . .

-Rory
   
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From: velhart@epas.utoronto.ca (Nicholas Velharticky)
Subject: SYNTHESIZERS, AMPLIFIER FOR SALE
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Distribution: Toronto
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:11:06 GMT
Followup-To: velhart@epas.utoronto.ca


FOR SALE
========

Roland Alpha Juno-2 synthesizer ---------------------------------  ($400)

	6-voice, digital/analog hybrid (DCO/VCF/VCA), 5-octave, velocity-
	and pressure-sensitive, 64 preset sounds, 64 user-programmables,
	64 extra sounds on data sheets, polyphonic portamento, chord
	memory, octave transpose, CASE INCLUDED.


Roland D-20 synthesizer ------------------------------------------  ($800)

	32-voice, 12-bit digital PCM-playback/synth waveform, Linear
	Arithmetic Synthesizer, 5-octave, velocity sensitive, 128
	preset tones, 64 user-programmable tones, 9-track 16,000 note
	sequencer (8+1 drum track), built-in disk drive, 400+ EXTRA
	SOUNDS ON DISK, SOFT CASE INCLUDED.


Peavey KB-300 keyboard amplifier ----------------------------------  ($400)

	130-watt, 3-channel, 3-band EQ on each channel + reverb, 1
	effects send (channel 1), horn driver and 15" scorpion
	speaker, dust cover included.



All items are in excellent condition -- never used on the road,
well-cared for.

Prices are firm.  Shipping costs are not included in the prices.  If
interested, e-mail replies to velhart@epas.utoronto.ca.

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From: porrov@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Joseph Porrovecchio)
Subject: << FORSALE: 24-PIN OLIVETTI DM-124 PRINTER >>
Organization: University of Toronto Computing Services
Distribution: ont
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 17:41:33 GMT

Forsale: Olivetti 24-pin DM-124 printer
========================================

Purchased 3-months ago (brand new)
Used on two occasions, printed 20pages in total.  Reason for selling, ill-timed
purchase (required to liquidate ).

     Features:  24 - pin impact-dot matrix
                Epson LQ 2550 compatibility
                4 fonts on-board

                High speed -  200cps 
                Dratf      -  150cps
                NLQ        -   50cps
    

     Includes : printer cable (brand new)
                1500 sheets of draft paper
                1500 sheets of quality paper

              asking $270 o.b.o.

inerested? please E-mail replies to porrov@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca
                  leave a number you can be reached.
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