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From: ceci@lysator.liu.se (Cecilia Henningsson)
Subject: Re: Scents
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:54:44 GMT

rjb@milton.u.washington.edu (LeGrand Cinq-Mars) writes:
>Dittany is also known as Cretan oregano.  It makes a good spaghetti
>sauce, with the appropriate other ingredients to taste...

>Dictamnus alba is the botanical name usually used, but I've never
>actually looked it up to find out if it's the correct one.  My
>memory insists that's the way it's usually written, but it's
>if so it's either a grammatical oddity or "alba" isn't an adjective.

In the local nursery's pricelist, which I happen to carry on me, it is
called Dictamnus albus ruber. The Swedish name is _Burning bush of
Moses_, and the rationale for that is that this is supposed to be the
bush that Moses saw burning in the desert. Someone more biblically
knowledgeable than I can probably provide us with the adequate quote.
It's an attractive lightgreen perennial shrub with white, red spotted
flowers. It secretes an inflammable essential oil on hot summer days.
The fumes can actually be set on fire whitout hurting the bush. I
would be VERY careful before doing that, however. _albus_ means white.

>It makes a rather peculiar incense -- reminiscent of a major fire
>at your local Shakey's.

What's "Shakey's"?

>--LeGrand

--Ceci
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek)
Subject: Forest Smell and Incense
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 03:46:51 GMT


I'm posting this to alt.pagan because people here sometime talk about
making their own incense.

While walking through the Holy Cross Wilderness, I noticed that sometimes
I would catch a strong wiff of some "warm and sweet" odor that I associate
with certain types of incense(sp?).  I'm talking about something distinct
from the generic "pine forest" scent, the three "flavors" of Ponderosa
pine, or the distinct smell of a wet mountain forest.  In fact, it was
pretty dry on the days I noticed this.  I can't remember what "resinous
amber" smells like; could this be it?

--
Paul Ciszek, pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu | No nation was ever drunk when wine was
                                   | cheap.   -- Thomas Jefferson
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: HALLOW'EEN
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 3 Oct 92 05:26:23 GMT

In article <-1367806318snx@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au> gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) writes:
>
>This one is known in Australia as Min-min. At least this is the common
>name taken up by Europeans from one of the first languages. Tiwi
>people call it Yimparriparri.
>
>It possesses all of the characteristics described above, with the
>further bloodthirsty habit once the victim has been led astray of
>literally rending the corpse limb from limb and slashing it to pieces
>with razor claws, before the victim's ghost is doomed itself to wander.
>
>Dreadful, fearful creature.
>
>Gil

Is this where we get our legends about werewolves?  You know what I mean
-- anyone killed by a werewolf is doomed to walk the Earth in an
"undead" sort of state, and anyone savaged by a werewolf is doomed to
become one, just like them?  

Does the "killing" of a Yimparriparri allow its voctims to rest finally?
This is another characteristic of a werewolf.

Blessings,
Janis
From: pierson@mpsg.mps.mlo.dec.com (dan pierson)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Polarity in ritual
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:25:40 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Wow!  A very powerful and beautiful myth.  The rituals based on it
could be amazing.

Also been meaning to mention that I love your new .sig.

Blessings,

        dan
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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: another poem
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:36:47 GMT

In article <gate.F3guRB1w164w@pil.UUCP> usr77@pil.UUCP writes:
>Re: Re: another poem
>By: cortese #0 @skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) USEnet      
> 
>> After hearing so many net men personally flame me for all the times they
>> got turned down for a date because they didn't make enough money or
>> drive a nice enough car, I have a real hard time taking this seriously.
>> The next time that cute little number you're interested in laughs at you
>> and then turns around and dates the schmendrick in the next cubicle who
>> drives a BMW, tell me this again with a straight face.
>> Blessings,
>> Janis 
>
>As a member of the collective class "net.men", I am completely confused
>as to why ANYONE would personally flame you over a woman who didn't
>have to be you turning him down over a date. Have I missed something
>obvious or what? 

You may be a member of the set net.men, but you may NOT be a member of
the set net.men.who.personally.flamed.me.  It was a whole big
clusterfuck that started when I posted about fantasy images of women in
society and how fantasy images of ALL sexes really get in the way when
they are all you ever learn about each other.  Basically, the focus of
my bitch was how we are feeding our young boys and girls garbage
information about each other, and then when that information turns out
to be useless, we all get pissed at one another.  Well, I got flamed for
saying that women are damaged by this and not sufficiently licking the
wounds of everyone in the world before I said it.  

Blessings,
Janis
From: sl4q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott T. Lillis)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Scents
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:17:31 GMT
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hi, I was reading about a scent refered to as Dittany of Crete.  It was
something relating to the 10th Sephirot(Mahlkoot/Kingdom) of the Tree of
Life if that would be of help.  Does any one know anyhthing about this. 
ANY info would be nice.

  Thanks,
   Scott Lillis
   sl4q+@andrew.cmu.edu
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: another poem
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:40:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <1992Sep30.161935.13737@ncsu.edu> blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.235701.26454@ncsu.edu>, barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard) writes:
>
>|> We had a secretary at work once who insisted that any woman who didn't keep
>|> her nails filed and polished (which she did at work) was just lazy.  I wanted
>|> to punch the bitch.
>
>Yeah, I've known a few.  I kind of feel sorry for them though.  I wish
>I could show them that one does not have to spend one's time doing
>nails and things to make them feel worthy.  It is one thing when one
>just does her own, but I have the feeling that people who try to make
>others follow their own dress patterns really want to think that
>there are others like them and are resentful of those who do more
>than just fingernails.

Some of us even USE our hands to make things and play instruments, and
are unable and unwilling to just turn them into dead meat "accessories"
that hang below the wrist.  Sorry, sweetheart, but I know how to write.
If you are that obsessive about your nails, what do you do?  Hiree
someone to dial the phone for you?

Fingers are meant to shape and create.  Their chiefest use is not as a
canvas for Antartic Purple.  (This comes from a woman who used to take
care of her nails as a minor hobby -- they grow like weeds -- until she
realized that she was changing her nail polish every ten minutes during
finals week and hence using them as an excuse to avoid studying -- me.)

Blessings,
Janis
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: personal messages in newsgroup <was: Re: Thanks>
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 07:06:48 GMT

corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:

>In article <1992Sep30.154101.3863@news2.cis.umn.edu> jill@gopher.ccbr.umn.edu (Jill Hollifield) writes:
>>Hello to all -
>>
>>My name is Jill, and I just wanted to say thanks to all of you who post
>>regularly to this group.  I just discovered you about a month ago, and
>>have enjoyed the humor, support, and sharing that goes on here.  I am
>>a solitary practitioner, and its really nice to have found a group I
>>can participate in.
>>
>>I'm sure I'll be posting more in the future!
>>
>>Blessings

>Merry meet, and welcome.

>Bb,

>Corun


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>    Moritu by choice   |

I don't want to point at Corun in particular, but with the influx of new people
with the new academic year, we have had a lot of posts which would be more
appropriate as email.  If your message is only for one person, please email
it--you will save thousands of dollars of resources and hours of readers' time.
If however, the note communicates something which the newsgroup will have an
interest in, such as the recent string of notes between janis, ailsa, a couple
of other folk, and myself, please do post it.  Thanks.


              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

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it's for people who are allergic to the word religion.
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: kbennett@milton.u.washington.edu (K. Lena Bennett; Slacker Goddess)
Subject: Re: Pagan music again (was Re: Mysterious Ways) 
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:26:43 GMT

cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:

>In article <BvLoLJ.5wt@encore.com> aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich) writes:
>>
>>Well this is interesting.. As far as I know or am concerned there is
>>no such thing as appropriate music for pagans..but there is a certain
>>leaning towards folk, recorder, and a capella that I lean towards for
>>pagan ritual ( ala Libana, etc ).

>I can't believe I forgot to mention this, BUT . . .
>If you want REALLY unbelievable ritual music, or just stuff to blow your
>mind, get a Nonesuch catalogue (they put out really neat stuff) and get
>anything that has to do with (ready?) Bulgarian women's choir.  The
>sound they make cannot be duplicated anywhere else in the world, and it
>will jerk you right off your feet.  You will (I did) stare at the
>speaker, unable to believe that that incredible, mesmerizing sounds is
>being produced by human voices.  It WILL make your jaw hang.

>Blessings,
>Janis 


I ssecond the motion on the Bulgarian Women's Choir and Trio Bulgarika,
not to mention Musizkas with Marta Sebastyen.  Also for meditative uses
try Peter Gabriel's _Passion_ (also good for sex, as is Cocteau Twins
_Victorialand_).  Also the Mickey Hart drumming CDs.  

As for non-spiritual uses, I listen to everything from k.d. lang/indigo
girls-type dyke music, to alternative/grunge/noize/industrial/hardcore/
foxcore/etc./etc./etc.

To work through a bad mood or depression, try Mozart's Requiem or
Nine Inch Nails _Pretty_Hate_Machine_ (not to mention the Smiths).

Enjoy,
Lena
From: pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Witches and death
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:29:45 GMT
	<53HXRB1w165w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us>
Organization: hotsex (on a platter)

In article <53HXRB1w165w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us> 
wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman) writes:
>Actually, I suspect we 'wiccans' inheirited by default the doctrine of 
>reincarnation froom the thesophists, et al....
>I have seen no signs, after many years of study, of a convincing modern 
>pagan philosophy of death, or at least one that wasn't lifted whole clth 
>or manufactured by one of the 'founding fathers'.

I'm curious as to what you mean by that last sentence. Is that a prop or a
diss, complement or insult, good or bad? What are you looking for in a
philosophy of death? Are you looking for the reason for death? This was
discovered a long time ago, way back into the paleolithic, so any modern
rediscovery is by definition "lifted" from our founding fathers and mothers.
Please explain what you would find to be "convincing" and "modern"? And you
say that philosophies are either lifted or manufactured. In what other
ways can one generate a philosophy?
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Subject: Re: C&E
Organization: Cicely Public Access UNIX, Cicely, AK
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:19:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.161644.11539@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>AAH! Light dawns! I think you mean C _of_ E, short for Church of England. I
>am not sure if this is the same as Episcopalian, but it would sort of make
>sense. BTW, "Burning Water" wasn't as good as "Children Of The Night".

Don't know about the exact books you're discussing, but Episcopalians are an
extension of the "Anglican communion", which also includes the Church of 
England. The two have separate structures and administration, but are 
definitely connected in doctrine and ritual. Exactly how, I was never able to
glean from my Episcopalian upbringing; maybe somebody who knows more about
theology and the modern Christian church structures can help if you want. All I
know is that the hymns and service texts are virtually identical. Just my two
shillings' worth. :->

Marty

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Subject: Oh, Bother revisited
From: josborne@desire.wright.edu
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:16:47 EST
Organization: Wright State University 


  I can't believe it.  An entire worldwide network of computer nerds and nobody
knows where Ailsa got "Oh, bother."  It's Winnie the Pooh!  Come on guys,
what are you doing on Saturday mornings?  Studying?


                         Fan of the Pooh Bear. 
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: New Janis Name
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:22:25 GMT

In article <2AC949C0.15881@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>In article <29SEP199217552510@rosie.uh.edu> lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
>>New name for Janis
>>
>>alt.pagan.big.mama
>>
>>8-)
>>
>>Tammy
>
>Howzabout alt.pagan.witch.bitch?  Or just alt.pagan.bitch?
>
>Blessings,
>Janis 

Naw. I don't think "bitch" fits you very well. Your insights have lighted
many dark corridors for me. Even your flames give off light and warmth.
I won't presume to give you any "title", but will instead be content to
call you "friend."

BTW, have the pictures arrived yet? They went out Friday last.

Bb,

Corun
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From: usr77@pil.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: re: address for PACT
Date: 30 Sep 92 08:33:40 GMT

Re: address for PACT
By: lib1p #0 @rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) USEnet      
 
> Does anybody have the address for the Pagan Alliance of Central Texas?
> Tammy

 
PACT
P.O.Box 12041
Austin, TX  78711

Blessings...
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From: lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Buckland's books (was Beginners need help)
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:56:08 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <1a26bkINNo4j@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU>
SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert Mathiesen) writes: 

>However, if one is interested in the *history* of Wicca in recent times in
>the USA, Buckland's books are still useful, since he was one of the very
>first -- maybe the first -- Gardnerian initiates in this country, just be-
>fore Gardner's death.  Since I am interested in that, I value his books from
>that angle ...   -- Robert

I would also reccommend 'Witchcraft - a tradition renewed' - oh, and 'The
rebirth of witchcraft' by Valiente for that particular angle.

Fave quote of the week:

'Grimoires: books written by male christian academics to impress one another'
Shan Jayran, 'Which Craft'

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Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Tilt the earth
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:36:42 GMT
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In article <1992Oct3.155620.1@opie.bgsu.edu> bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>About tilting the orbit of the earth:
>
>  I always thought about destroying the moon (either nuking it away or hitting
>it hard enough that it careens off into outer space) to tilt the earth's orbit. 
>My early interest in the plan stemmed from the idea that, after blowing up the
>moon, any time a person came in contact with a song, painting, book, or
>anything with a reference to the moon, they would remember the party
>responsible for destroying the moon.  Teary-eyed eco-hobbits would tell their 
>children about the good old days when there was a moon at night, nocturnal
>species would become extinct, and so on.
>  I was forced to rethink this plan, however, when I read in the paper (For
>real), that some scientist was suggesting that we blow up the moon, which would
>tilt the Earth's orbit, which would effectively stop global warming.  (The
>eco-bunnies can pervert _Anything_!).
>  What if we nuked the moon from the other side, so that it carreened into the
>Earth?  I bet that would take care of the global warming problem.

A wonderful idea in concept, but the energy required is several orders of 
magnitude beyond what we have availabl;e in the current Nuke arsenals.

-Scott



Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
From: gj156879@prince.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Blowing up the moon.
Summary: Yup.
Keywords: The moon!
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:13:07 GMT

In this cartoon I saw as a kid, called Thundar The Barbarian, a huge
meteor went between the earth and the moon, causing huge tidal waves,
earthquakes, etc. NNow maybe this is just a stupid cartoon, but the
idea of destroying the moon has merit.  I think that by completely and
utterly destroying the moon would cause enough chaos to destroy most
of the earth's inhabitants.  The chaos resulting from tidal waves,
earthquakes, and the inability to watch Geraldo would probably result
in quite a few more deaths.  The main problem is getting NASA to take
a ship load of nukes to the moon and blow the puppy up.  Maybe we
could all get together and convince them that it WOULD stop global
warming.

On a less serious note, (GRIN), when I was a wee-un in high school, my
plan to destroy the earth involved everyone sneezing while facing the
ground.  Now that I look back at it, it probably wouldn't work, but
the mucus on the ground could cause enough chaos to throw society into
a bit of a kerfuffle.

Is anyone in here an anarchasit type, thinking that the break up of
civilization would help lead to the destruction of the earth?  Or
would it have to be a one shot NOW THEY'RE ALL DEAD deal?  Seems to me
it'd help if we did this one step at a time:

Kill it in this order:

-the media.
-government institutions.
-remaining human beings.

Unfortunately, killing the media would result in an inability for us
to communicate further...

So we better get our plans together ahead of time...

Although this is a complicated problem, it strikes me that it's easier
to destroy a world so far gone, than to try and bring it back to an
eden level.

                              Nik
                              -stockpiling an arsenal.



Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
From: dementia@cheshire.oxy.edu (Daniel Steven Reinker)
Subject: Re: death to england first
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:28:18 GMT

In article <1a7uslINN796@bigboote.WPI.EDU> jseaver@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.201226.14327@news.nd.edu> (Daniel O'Bannion) writes:
>>Just please make sure that you start the destruction in that
>>pathetic little island country the grand old U.K.
>>
>>fuck you, limey assholes! do mankind a favor--stay indoors.
>>or better yet, stop wasting good oxygen!
>
>	NO!!  We destroy the Swiss first - little neutral, unable to commit to
>anything bastards!  THEN we destroy England!!  No, wait, let's destroy Canada
>first!  Always leaching off the United States and then being snobbish about
>not actually BEING the U.S.
>
>						-Jay

Fuck that, man...let's get Japan first. Teach those little greasy orientals
not to build golf courses on our good land...

Hiz Lord Dementia
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