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From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: Trip on Space Ship 3.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:31:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.223147.8044@beaver.cs.washington.edu> boesch@cs.washington.edu (Eric Boesch) writes:
>jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...) writes:

>This is not good science.  Noise travels with great difficulty in thin
>air, and interstellar space is an almost perfect vacuum, so radio
>waves are almost immobile in space.  A radio wave in a perfect vacuum
>does not move at all; that is what is called a "stationary wave".  For
>a less extreme example, the first men on the moon heard a radio
>programme that researchers discovered had been last broadcast in 1925!
>The further away from Earth you go, the farther back in time you go.


This is a joke! 

Comparing sounds waves to light waves. Good stuff!

And that means the TV broadcasts of the Apollo Space Mission
were actually sent before WWII! Wow, I guess Neil Armstrong aged well.

john
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From: ksanthan@garnet.berkeley.edu (Kumaran Santhanam)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Trip on Space Ship 3.
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:03:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

>Eric Boesch
>PhD in Paraastronomy, 1987
>Universitat Verbelligten, Bundesrepublik Deutschland
>Hohenschreibersputnikfunksignalstrasse
 ^ Hohen Schreiber Sputnik Funk Signal Strasse

Doesn't that look a little too easily splittable to be a real
German word?  I don't know any German, so could someone help
me out here?

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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: max@megatek.com (Max Elliot)
Subject: Re: Contact Notes
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:49:39 GMT

From article <1992Dec14.200454.9746@netcom.com>, by jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff):
> In article <1992Dec14.175639.2141@megatek.com> max@megatek.com (Max Elliot) writes:
> But I believe that if you don't have these thoughts in mind as you
> look into this subject, it is possible to completely misinterprete
> the entire situation (ala, J. Vallee).
> 
> Jeff-

  Yes, well my question is: is there a 'situation' at all. Maybe the
  entire phenomenon is simply a vision.  There are many possibilities,
  not all of them involving physical beings.  Now, assuming that we can
  prove the phenomema are physical, then we are obligated to interpret
  the 'situation'.  And for that, granted, an open mind is an asset.
  But, until we can show that there is a 'situation' to interpret, I
  think we are left with only our spirituality and our navels to ponder.

  Cheers!
-Max
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: Steve_MacDonald@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve MacDonald)
Subject: Re: Aurora on BBC
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:11:39 GMT

> buxduac@dct.ac.uk writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <1992Dec17.090626.2547@dct.ac.uk>
> Posted: 17 Dec 92 09:06:26 GMT
>
> Org.  : Dundee Institute of Technology
>
> Am I hearing things?
>    I was watching the Ross king show (Morning time BBC1 Great britain for
> those
> that don't know) a kind of mental floss chat show cum wake up to a cheary
> face sort of thing on tuesday.  On of the items he does is "Guess the news
> item from a clue" type of quiz and I am sure I heard the following
>
> King "What is Aurora"
> Member of public "Thats a new spy plane"
>
> Any body else see this ? Any body see any items in the press monday
> or tuesday about it ?
>
> Andy C
> acobley@uk.ac.dundee.mic
> .
>


Several weeks back a friend of mine mentioned that there was a new spy plane
called the Aurora. Of course this doesn't mean that one exists

Steve
From: gslars@staff.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Newsgroup...
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:27:52 GMT

In article <1gmfl7INNlah@agate.berkeley.edu> ksanthan@garnet.berkeley.edu (Kumaran Santhanam) writes:
>How does one form a new newsgroup?  I'd like to start one about serious
>UFO discussion.  Also...Is there any way that the originator of the news
>group can block articles by certain specific individuals?  If someone can
>provide me with this information, I want to start a serous ufology newsgroup.

I agree, there should be a serious group.  You'd need a moderator - 
someone willing to go through and validate every message (If that's
how it works).  Otherwise, their job would be to just kick people off
who get out of line, though I don't know how effective that would be.
You can get rid of specific posters with the use of a kill file.  The
trouble is, you can get rid of John Winston, but think of all the
trouble trying to get rid of the even more irritating responses to
that kind of thing.  I'm not so sure I'd even bother to kick out
people like Winston or Stollman from a moderated group.   I don't know
the details of starting a moderated group, but I wish you the best
of luck!



Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: rkrouse@netcom.com (Robert K. Rouse)
Subject: Re: John Lear on KDWN Las Vegas Tonight
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 15:02:05 GMT

  I heard a little of the John Lear interview and I think that
Art Bell is a lousy interviewer.  I would like to hear Mr. Lear
interviewed by Terrie Gross on "Fresh Air".  I wrote a letter
to NPR asking for interviews on this subject and gave them a
list of people I wanted to hear.  I haven't gotten a response
after 2 weeks and I really don't expect a response.

  NPR is very conservative by my standards.  Also, there is an
article about the Pentagon superplane on the front page of
front page of the San Jose, California Mercury News newspaper.
In the article the Pentagon and Sam Nunn say there is no
such plane.  Humm I wonder whats making all the noise.  If
it's not ours then maybe it belongs to an ET.

  I sure hope that the new administration respones to 
questions about government secret projects.

-- 
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  "No creature that is intelligent and with the right
   values is an alien to me."
						John Salter
============================================================
	Robert K. Rouse		rkrouse@netcom.com
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: CONTACT NOTES
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 08:05:43 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear People: I have been sent a great deal of information about the
Pleiades from Kumar. This information originally came from Jeff P. and 
Walter P. It's very deep and more than 400 K bytes of information. If
anyone would like it just let me know through E-mail.
John Winston.
From: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Stollman, Winston, et al.
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:06:19 GMT
Reply-To: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Dec15.065737.16406@news2.cis.umn.edu>, gslars@staff.tc.umn.edu () writes:

|>Doesn't it seem a little strange that there's a John Winston to pick
|>up where Gary Stollman left off?  Is it just a coincidence that their
|>postings are better (gramatically) and more carefully written than those
|>of anyone else?  All of you folks who are constantly ranting about
|>Winston could be the most gullible of all.  What I'm saying, of course,
|>is that perhaps these postings are put there simply to serve as objects
|>of derision.  In that respect, they serve their purpose well.
|>(My apologies to both Winston and Stollman if they are sincere, but you
|>can't blame it if some of us are a little skeptical.)  Too bad there
|>isn't a moderated version of this topic.


Well first of all John Winston is a spelling imbecile.  His grammer sucks and
he couldn't spell is way out of the sixth grade.  Gary Stollman on the other
hand has excellent grammer and spelling abilities.  In the past when someone
tried to mimic him it was easy to spot just by looking at the spelling and 
grammer usage.


As for being gullible... NAAAA!  these guys are for real and are off in the
ozone somewhere.


Steve  Food_for_the_Grays/Reptoids

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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology,talk.bizarre
From: pfinerty@nyx.cs.du.edu (fun fun fun boy)
Subject: Re: Trip on Space Ship 3.
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 23:17:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.164749.10909@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>> gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (<gvb@acd4.acd.com>) signs:
>
>
>>Gregg.
>
>>-- 
>demons. Demons are not stupid; they know the kind of thing that attracts
>the interest of modern Americans. They KNOW that by involving space and
>high-tech in their deceptions, they will fool people into thinking they
>are finding something natural, wonderful, and new, when what they are
>really finding is the same old wolf, this time in new sheeps clothing.


I'D LIKE TO HAVE SEX WITH SATAN. i bet it would be fun.
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff)
Subject: Re: Aurora on BBC
Organization: BeHereNow
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:26:44 GMT

In article <18634@mindlink.bc.ca> Steve_MacDonald@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve MacDonald) writes:
>> buxduac@dct.ac.uk writes:
>>
>> Msg-ID: <1992Dec17.090626.2547@dct.ac.uk>
>> Posted: 17 Dec 92 09:06:26 GMT
>>
>> Org.  : Dundee Institute of Technology
>>
>> Am I hearing things?
>>    I was watching the Ross king show (Morning time BBC1 Great britain for
>> those
>> that don't know) a kind of mental floss chat show cum wake up to a cheary
>> face sort of thing on tuesday.  On of the items he does is "Guess the news
>> item from a clue" type of quiz and I am sure I heard the following
>>
>> King "What is Aurora"
>> Member of public "Thats a new spy plane"
>>
>> Any body else see this ? Any body see any items in the press monday
>> or tuesday about it ?
>>
>> Andy C
>> acobley@uk.ac.dundee.mic
>> .
>>
>
>
>Several weeks back a friend of mine mentioned that there was a new spy plane
>called the Aurora. Of course this doesn't mean that one exists
>
>Steve



There is a new plane called Aurora. It has been on national television,
I think it was ABC. They went to Area 51 to take pictures of it
being tested from mailbox road, and showed pictures not of Aurora,
but "something else" that defied laws of gravity and g-forces.

I have seen this footage personally at the 2020 UFO symposium in
Berkeley hosted by Michael Lindemann and Ralph Stiener.

It was also reported to have been used in Desert Storm, and that 
there are many leaks, but no official recognition of the plane 
at this time by the Pentagon.

Jeff-
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: nanook@eskimo.com (Robert Dinse)
Subject: Re: Contact Notes
Summary: Our benefit?
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 19:39:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.200454.9746@netcom.com>, jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff) writes:

> It is highly likely that most ET visitors are here for our benefit.

     Jeff, do you mind if I ask on what do you base that assertion?

     The few people I've been able to communicate with have not come away from
their experiences with that interpretation.

     If you look at human history, for example what happened when Europeans
first came to the Americas and started interacting with the natives here, it
is evident that whenever a technologically more advanced civilization here
has encountered a less advanced civilization, it was not for the less advanced
civilizations benefit.

     Even when the intent was to benefit the less advanced civilization, i.e.,
the missionaries that sought to save their souls by converting them to their
religious beliefs, destruction still resulted.

     I would like to know otherwise, that is to say that you are right, but so
far I have not been able to talk to anyone who has had a positive first hand
experience.  (If there is someone out there that has, I would like to hear
from you).
From: DAVGOLD@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu (David Goldsmith)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: John Boy
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:21:13 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, NERDC

I wish everyone would quit flaming my homey John W.  He has a lot of
knowledge that I'm sure everybody could use.  If you all remain so narrow
minded you'll stay the ignorant pinheads that you all are.
 
                           Carlton Fisk
 
 
 
 
 
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: curmi@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Jamie Paul CURMI)
Subject: Another Goodbye
Summary: Goodbye
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:38:47 GMT

Hi Guys,

I've had enough of the crap in this group...it appears others have too.
There is just too much rubbish to sift through.  Sorry guys, but I've
given up.  Articles I was going to post have been postponed until
someone clears up the current mess...if that ever happens.

If I want crap I read talk.bizzare

The news group has become a joke!  JW and friends have alot to answer for.
Does anyone remember when JW first crawled onto the net...I thought it was
a once off joke...but the disease has spread.

Goodbye to all the people I have had conversations with over the last year
or so.  Someone please tell me if the group starts to improve.  I don't
think any of my friends still subscribe....

(depressed!)
Jamie.

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From: ksanthan@garnet.berkeley.edu (Kumaran Santhanam)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Newsgroup...
Date: 16 Dec 1992 05:43:03 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

How does one form a new newsgroup?  I'd like to start one about serious
UFO discussion.  Also...Is there any way that the originator of the news
group can block articles by certain specific individuals?  If someone can
provide me with this information, I want to start a serous ufology newsgroup.

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From: beede@sctc.com (Mike Beede)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: FILE: HUFON report on Underground Base in Calif
Date: 20 Dec 92 16:53:47 GMT
Organization: SCTC

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

>Dear People: I found that information very interesting and recorded it
>on a floppy disk.
>John Winston.

God, at last I can sleep at night!

	Mike

P.S., This huge 42-level underground base remind anyone else of ``The
Time Tunnel''?


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From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Stefan Marinov
Date: 16 Dec 92 07:48:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:107/816 - The Wrong Num, Jersey City NJ


 * Forwarded from "ParaNet Alternate Technologies"
 * Originally by Jim Shaffer
 * Originally to All
 * Originally dated 14 Dec 1992, 1:00

I'm hoping one of ParaNet's German affiliates can help me out here, thus saving
the expense of an international call.  I'm looking for information on a man named Stefan Marinov, who is part of the Methernitha community.  I have an ASCII copy of a magazine article indicating that he was threatening to kill himself last month unless the government dropped a lawsuit against a group of
free-energy researchers.  His objection to the suit was that they were being charged with investment fraud, yet none of the investors filed the suit -- the local electric company did!  I haven't been able to get any further information from anyone here in the U.S. -- not even whether or not Marinov is still alive!  Any information on this situation would be greatly appreciated.

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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Fresh Air - Letter
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 07:09:55 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Folks: The program Fresh Air can be heard over KQED FM a local 
radio station here in the San Francisco Bay Area. It is on the lower
left hand side of the dial. I don't remember the frequency.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: max@megatek.com (Max Elliot)
Subject: Re: AWAKE
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:16:30 GMT

From article <1992Dec15.060847.5466@news.Hawaii.Edu>, by markh@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Mark Holladay):
> 
>                       IS ANYONE LISTENING?
  ... Stuff about FTL travel
> 
> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ HAVE FUN @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
> markh@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu
> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

  I would suggest you try to find a paper by Jack Sarfatti on the 
  subject. It is illuminating.
-Max

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: zenith89@bcarh1eb.bnr.ca (Chris VanFleet)
Subject: Re: Another Goodbye
Reply-To: crownvic@bcarh1eb.bnr.ca (Crown Victoria)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ltd., Ottawa, CANADA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 14:24:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.232841.14028@netcom.com> A concerned subscriber  writes:
>
>BEFORE YOU POST TO THIS GROUP, BE VERY SURE YOU ARE REALLY CONTRIBUTING TO THE
>COLLECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS OF THE GROUP. OTHERWISE, SOME OF YOU MAY START GETTING
>LETTER BOMBED, OR WORSE...
>
>THIS WILL BE YOUR ONLY WARNING. COMEDIANS AND WHINERS ****BEWARE****
>
>
You gonna send the saucer men after us ya UFO nut?

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
From: nanook@eskimo.com (Robert Dinse)
Subject: Re: Trip on Space Ship 3.
Summary: Good Science...
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 06:49:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.223147.8044@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, boesch@cs.washington.edu (Eric Boesch) writes:
> jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...) writes:
> >======================================================================
> >Actually, you can pick up alien transmissions on your am radio but it
> >is quite well known where they are coming from. The signals also sound
> >like waves washing onto a beach, sort of smooth and rhythmic. These
> >signals come from the planet Jupiter when it is in the sky. Whether day
> >or night the planet has to be in the sky above you so that the earth
> >doesn't block out the signals. I don't remember the exact frequency but
> >it is about a third of the way up the am band as I recall. Since Jupiter
> >is close to a protostar in development and puts out more energy than it
> >receives your radio is acting like a tiny radio-telescope when it picks
> >it up.
> >======================================================================
> 
> This is not good science.  Noise travels with great difficulty in thin
> air, and interstellar space is an almost perfect vacuum, so radio
> waves are almost immobile in space.  A radio wave in a perfect vacuum
> does not move at all; that is what is called a "stationary wave".  For
> a less extreme example, the first men on the moon heard a radio
> programme that researchers discovered had been last broadcast in 1925!

     Sorry, this is total BUNK...  Radio waves are electro-magnetic in nature,
not acoustical pressure waves like sound.  They are just like light, they are
essentially very low frequency, or long-wavelenth if you prefer, light.  They
travel through a vacuum just like visible light.  They can be refracted or
reflected like visible light.  But they don't get delayed 44 years getting from
earth to moon!  They would have to travel 44 light-years through a vacuum to
be delayed that much.

     The transparency of the atmosphere varies with frequency, and at the AM
band, it is NOT very transparent.  Absorbtion is rather high in the AM band
during the day, and at night the ionosphere refracts (yea I know people refer
to it as reflection but it really is refraction) those frequencies back unless
they are close to right angels.

     I've never knowingly picked up any aliens of the extra-terrestrial nature
on my AM radio..  If I do I'll be sure to let you all know.  I keep hoping for
an invite to go for a ride on a spaceship, but so far just radio silence.
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Possible Kill File Uses
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 06:36:24 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear People: Please be my guest and post some of your serious information.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology