From: kachun@astro.as.arizona.edu (Ka Chun Yu)
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: Proof: God wrote the Bible
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:40:50 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Aug31.134328.202589@uctvax.uct.ac.za> fllant01@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:
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>Extract from 'Seal of God' by F.C.Payne (1974):
>
>BIBLE NUMERICS - FIRST ASPECT
>
[ridiculous numerology stuff deleted]

You know when I was still in Tucson last spring, I went to a talk that was
advertised to show the 'Mathematical Proof for God.'  It was given by a Muslim
student at the University of Arizona who used a very similar analysis (of no
less the number seven among others) to show that the Koran was the inspired 
word of God.  He had similar statistics, calculations, arguments, etc., etc. as
Payne's 'Seal of God.'

And if I remember correctly, the presentation was based on a book as well, this
one written by a Muslim of course.  The author had spent an enormous part of
his life scouring the Koran and a concordance or two, hundreds if not thousands
of hours in front of a computer entering and sorting appearances of words, all
to come up with an argument very similar to yours/Payne's.  If I'm not mistaken,
his book was considerably longer than four chapters.  Maybe we should compare
the two to see which holy book has the least astronomically probable
ordering/permutation/combination/letter-word counting of seven or any other
number.  Then we'll know which is the truth faith.

Moral:  One can come up with all sorts of gibberish concerning patterns in a
	book if that book is hefty enough.

>
>That was just the beginning of the stuff on numerics in "Seal of God".
>The rest was mind-blowing, especially when you start analysing the
>nunbers of the Greek and Hebrew letters. (In ancient Greek and
>Hebrew, their number systems were based on their alphabet and each
>letter has an associated number) eg. A=1, E=8, M=40, N=50, so AMEN =
>1 + 40 + 8 + 50 = 99. The number of times AMEN occurs in the N.T. is
>also 99. Coincidence? Think again. Jesus in Greek is:
>
>             I  =  10
>          +  E  =   8
>          +  S  = 200
>          +  O  =  70
>          +  U  = 400
>          +  S =  200
>            ---------
>                  888
>888 is also the number of Greek words in the Revelation of Jesus
>Christ.
>
>'Seal of God' also has the hidden numbers of Gen 1:1 and Mark 16:9-20.
>The 'sevens' occur all the way through the Bible, and this provides a
>true test of whether a passage is part of the Bible or not. The
>apocrypha don't have the sevens.

Let's see, we can let A=1, B=2, C=3, . . . , X=24, Y=25, Z=26.  Then

  R o n a l d  W i l s o n  R e a g a n

  18+15+14+1+12+4 + 23+9+12+19+15+14 + 18+5+1+7+1+14 = 202.

Then we multiply by 3 since that's how many names we're using giving us 606.
But wait, RWR's most 'important' job was the presidency, so we should add that
in too as well as the fact that he served two terms:

  P r e s .

  16+18+5+19 + 2 (terms) = 60.

  606+60 = 666!!!

I'm sure there are people out there who can give better examples of this.  (I'm
working off the top of my head.)

>
>If anyone is interested, I'll post more from the book. If anyone has
>a more comprehensive book on the subject ('Seal of God' has only 4
>chapters on it), I please mail/post title details.

Please spare us, unless maybe if you can get someone with that book 'proving'
the Koran as the word of God, and then maybe you two can have a debate in a
talk.religion newsgroup.

>
>Thanks in advance and grace be with you,
>Anthony Faull
>===================================================================
>My mail address has changed to afaull@cs1.uct.ac.za


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