From: abbasa@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Three troubling questions about Islam
Date: 6 Jan 93 06:08:40 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

In article <nabeel.725132121@oracle.sce.carleton.ca>, nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul) writes:

#" In article <1992Dec17.152905.8931@dsg.cs.tcd.ie>, ahmed@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ahmed El-Habbash) writes:
#" > In <20142.2b2d0986@ul.ie> abbasa@ul.ie writes:
#" > 
#" >>In article <nabeel.723842856@oracle.sce.carleton.ca>, nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul) writes:
#" >>>    Omar chased them off Khaibar when they attacked A. ibn Omar when he was
#" >>> visiting some gardens there. Omar did that in _no_ violation with the
#" >>> Prophets covenant with the Jews when he took over Khaibar.
#" > 
#" >>It was Imam Ali who conquered Khaibar and Omar had little contribution
#" >>towards that.  Please set the historic record clear in your mind.
#" > 
#" >>regards,
#" > 
#" >>Asad.
#" > 
#" > Fanaticism is very bad, it makes one blind!!
#" >

#" This principle is only good to people if they practise it rather than
#" just reciting it.
#"  

#   How smart! You taught us how to practise it, thanks, dude!

You are very welcome, dude.


#"   
#" > Note that chasing them off Khaibar is different than conquering Khaibar.
#" > 

#" My English has improved.  Tell me meaning of "Take over Khaibar" as well, 
#" will you? 

#   Since you are the historitian, you may want to teach us a lesson or two,
#what do you think?

I'd love to teach a lesson if I could.  


#   I do not find "take over Khaibar" anywhere in the thread, so you may need  


Read this article again but carefully, will you?


#to visit the English language department in Limerick. But I take your quote
#to mean what Omar (raa) did, not what Ali (raa) did which is coquered the
#place after Abu Bakr and Omar (raa) had shaken it up. 


You really need a lesson in history.  It is well-documented fact, from shia
and sunni souces both,  that Omar and Abu Bakar did nothing ( No offence 
intended, hence flames not welcome) in any war fought during the life of 
Rasul-ullah (saw).  Just look at the way they fought in Ohd and Hunain.

The only "achievement" Omar had is the expansion of Muslim government by
soward.  Thus, made islam vulnerable to the criticism of non-Muslims that Islam
expanded by force and NOT by reason.    

#Also, it was not Ali
#alone, the army which conquered Khaibar. Also to your knowledge, it was the
#result of the Prophet's (MPBUH) prayers for Muslims and later namely for
#Ali that made it a victory. If you heard a rumour or two about history, we
#surely know a little more.

Not only Prophet' prayers but Allah's help was also with Imam Ali (a.s.), that
is why Prophet had said in Khaibar " Tomorrow the flag bearer will be a person 
whom ALLAH will grant a victory".  

This is a histirical sentence and it differentiates the real Islam from the 
fake one.  The salvation lies in the obedience of such people who Allah
is always with.  
 

#   Have fun, you and your sick fans. Ali is innocent of you, suckers.

Do you mean Ali would care for Moaviites and NOT his followers? How absurd!


BTW. I am pleased to find out that people like you are burning themself in the
fire of hatred before getting into another fire, the eternal fire.

#" >> 
#" > Ahmed
#" Asad.



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