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From: jan@informatik.ee.edag.de (Jan-Arendt Klingel)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Texas Instruments<->internet??
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:55:50 GMT
Organization: EDAG Engineering & Design AG, Fulda

In article <1993Jan23.022519.9696@news.unomaha.edu> hbae@cwis.unomaha.edu (Hansang Bae) writes:
>From: hbae@cwis.unomaha.edu (Hansang Bae)
>Subject: Texas Instruments<->internet??
>Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:25:19 GMT
>Hello everyone.  Is it possible to e-mail someone who works for Texas
>Instruments?  I tried to look for the Inter-Network Mail Guide" but
>was unable to find it.  He works for TI in Korea and has an e-mail account
>that he checks regularly.Corp is located in Dallas I believe.  The person
>has no Idea how to do this.  Thank you very much
>Hansang

Two entries from a signature database:

Kenneth M. Butler                           (214) 917-1759 (office)
Texas Instruments                           (214) 917-7966 (FAX)
P.O. Box 650311 MS 3937                     kenb@dadd.ti.com
Dallas, TX 75265

Terry E. Dow           |site: Spring Creek, building: 4, coorindates: 2N80
Texas Instruments Inc  |voice #: 214 575-6758,  digital pager #: 214 314-3719
PO Box 869305 M/S 8518 |Fax #: 214 575-6771, MSG id: DOWT, PC drop: PSK9
Plano, Tx 75086, USA   |Internet adress: Terry.Dow@dseg.ti.com

As you can see, Texas Instruments is addressed as user@host.TI.COM.
Try postmaster@dadd.ti.com.

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: scott@ryptyde.cts.com (Scott McClure)
Subject: Re: navy contact
Organization: Ryptyde TimeSharing, San Diego, CA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:46:37 GMT

lturnerj@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:

>Can anyone help me contact the Tactical Training Group Pacific of the
>US Navy?  I have tried using my gopher here and am not having much
>success.  They may not have any access but I'm sure the navy has some
>access.  Please reply to me directly.

TACTRAGRUPAC doesn't have it own net address, if I remember correctly.
It is part of NCCOSC, whose systems have an address of *.nosc.mil.
All of the Navy commands up on the hill at the Point Loma complex
underwent a reoganization, so almost everything was renamed.
Your best bet is to send info about the specific department or person
you are trying to reach to postmaster@nosc.mil.

Scott

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From: kline@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Doug Kline)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: MX mix up
Keywords: MX error
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:21:03 GMT
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA


We have been experiencing difficulties with MX records.  

In the case of a couple of nodes for which MX records have been installed if
sendmail is not running on those nodes, the e-mail addressed to them is sent to
the other node to which it should be sent but, instead of staying there or being
forwarded to some third node, it is held in defered status on that node,
addressed to the node to which it was originally addressed and not deliverable.  

In one case, if sendmail is running, then e-mail addressed to that node is sent
on correctly to the other node to which the MX record points but if the addressee
user's personal forwarding is set to the node which should be bypassed by the MX
record, it is sent on there despite the MX record.  

The MX record thus seems to occasion correct forwarding to the node to which it
points but to stop working after that, leaving mail to be either sent on to the
node which is supposed to be bypassed or sit in mailq in deferred status.  

For other nodes for which we have installed MX records, they work correctly.  We
would like to hear any possible explanations.

========
Douglas Kline                           Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory
kline@cfa.harvard.edu                   60 Garden Street, MS 58
Phone: 617 495-7157                     Cambridge, MA  02138
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: (not an) RFC: mailbox format
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<1k0u3kINNq3v@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:25:22 GMT

JS> == John Stanley <stanley@ruby.OCE.ORST.EDU>

 JS> Is there any good reason why MIME chose to go with its own version of
 JS> binary encoding instead of using UUENCODE?

Yes.

 JS> While there are some systems that can't pass UUENCODEd data
 JS> (converting one ASCII character to something else, as I recall),
 JS> UUENCODE IS almost universally available, while MIME is not.

The systems in question (including EBCDIC-ASCII conversion tables and the
like) *break* uu*code.

To quote from RFC1341:
            NOTE:  This subset has the important  property  that  it  is
            represented   identically   in  all  versions  of  ISO  646,
            including US ASCII, and all characters  in  the  subset  are
            also  represented  identically  in  all  versions of EBCDIC.
            Other popular encodings, such as the encoding  used  by  the
            UUENCODE  utility  and the base85 encoding specified as part
            of Level 2 PostScript, do not share  these  properties,  and
            thus  do  not  fulfill the portability requirements a binary
            transport encoding for mail must meet.

 JS> It is rather counterproductive to require a user to know that the
 JS> recipient's mailer is MIME compatible before sending a binary.

At the moment, this is true.  However, since source for base64 encoders
(and decoders, of course) has been made available, we will hopefully start
seeing them on more and more operating systems (and even a program loader
or two :).
--
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: Quentin.Smart@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: Novell to IP mail gateway
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:43:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.153833.10985@das.harvard.edu> sasaki@netop3.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki) writes:
> 
> Currently getting email from the PCs to the university backbone involves
> going through three (or four, depends on how you count them) machines.
> .... 
> What are the alternatives? Are there any free or inexpensive software
> packages?

What mail package's are you using? 
Some, most? of the comercial Mail packages have SMTP gateways that mean you
don't need the complication of a MHS hub, but then you will usly be running
their version of a HUB.
I guess the expensive options would be to use:
 
 MS-Mail (There has been talk about inadequacies of their SMTP gateway)
 
 CC: Mail (Lotus have a SMTP gateway of rthis but it's V.Expensive)
 
 WPOffice They currently don't produce a PC SMTP gateway but there are 3rd
 party options available. (Email me for more info on this one)

The PD or cheap option would be:
 PMAIL which I think only needs a charon box.
 or other options like POP etc..

Hope this helps
smart@actrix.gen.nz

Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: schuch@phx.mcd.mot.com (John Schuch)
Subject: Genie?
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 14:45:43 GMT

Is there a way to send mail to a user on Genie?
How?

Thanks,
John

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From: tom@ohm.york.ac.uk (Tom Whitehouse)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Novell to IP mail gateway
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:40:21 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

In article <1993Jan20.153833.10985@das.harvard.edu> sasaki@netop3.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki) writes:
>
>Currently getting email from the PCs to the university backbone involves
>going through three (or four, depends on how you count them) machines.
>The PCs are connected via a Novell network, and the university
>backbone is largely IP. The machines consist of an MHS postoffice, an
>MHS to SMTP gateway, and a machine to buffer between the gateway
>machine and the backbone.
>
>This setup is very slow and isn't very reliable.
>
>What are the alternatives? Are there any free or inexpensive software
>packages?

I'd recommend Pegasus Mail & Charon. Pegasus mail runs on PCs (and Macs)
attached to Novell networks. It delivers direct to users on the same
server and can inform users when new mail arrives. Charon is a gateway
which performs the Novell IPX <-> TCP/IP SMTP transport & protocol
conversions, it requires a dedicated PC (I use an old 286 with no disk
or keyboard to perform this function). It also requires the cooperation of
a "smart mailer" to forward mail to the final destination (in my case, one
of the campus Unix systems).

I've been using the system for over a year now with great success and it has
proved to be very reliable. Charon can also provide LPR/LPQ facilities
enabling print jobs to be transferred between Novell & other systems.

Pegasus Mail is free, but the author charges for the manuals to support
further developments, etc. It is, however, quite easy to run & has built-in
help screens. Charon is free & comes with excellent documentation.

The current versions are charon40 & pmail235, both available from a number
of FTP sites.

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From: matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu (Matt Healy)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Just wondering...
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:40:40 GMT
Followup-To: comp.mail.misc
Distribution: comp
Organization: Yale University--Genetics

In article <REID.93Jan27012619@dsm.dsm.fordham.edu>, 
reid@dsm.fordham.edu (Darin Reid) wrote:
> 
> Just wondering:  I foward my mail from machine A to machine B - Then I
> foward my mail frm machine B to machine A - what happens when someone
> sends mail to either account?
> 
> (I thought of this at 3:00 am, don't flame me - just curious to know)
> --
> Darin Reid
> 

You would create what is called an "alias loop," a notorious
problem with email.  In most systems there is some kind of hop
count parameter for just this reason.  What will probably happen
is that your message will bounce back and forth until the
hop count limit is exceeded, then get returned to sender with
an error message.  If your mailers are really brain-damaged,
the error message may itself bounce back and forth...

This is obviously a great way to create massive amounts of
traffic, especially since in many cases each pass through
a mailer will add another header to the message so the
bouncing message can get really long.

Some really clever mailers can detect that a message is
a bounce-back from such an alias loop, and stop this
nonsense.  One way is to look for your own header in the
message, and analyze any such headers you find to see
if such a loop is happening...


Matt Healy
"I pretend to be a network administrator; the lab
 net pretends to work!"

matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu
Newsgroups: comp.mail.headers
From: bhs1@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (bruce.h.simon)
Subject: Illit
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:50:36 GMT

  Maybe there should be a Newsgroup called comp.dumb for those of
us who are programming illiterate.  I would like to know how to
change my header so that nobody can follow it, but at the same
time allow me to recieve email.
                                            Thanks
Xref: sparky comp.mail.headers:472 comp.mail.misc:4538
Organization: K.U.Leuven - Academic Computing Center
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:31:31 +01
From: Herman Van Uytven <SYSTHVU@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be>
Newsgroups: comp.mail.headers,comp.mail.misc
Subject: rules for 'Personal Name' E-mail addresses

Hello,

I am wondering which rules most people are using to make 'Personal Name'
mail addresses.
E.G. if my name = Van Uytven and my Surname = Herman, some possibilities
are :

     Herman.Van_Uytven@urc.kuleuven.ac.be
     Herman.Van-Uytven@urc.kuleuven.ac.be
     Herman.VanUytven@urc.kuleuven.ac.be
     Herman.Van.Uytven@urc.kuleuven.ac.be

Our first choice was Van_Uytven, but the '_' is invalid in X.400
adresses, so I guess we need to drop this possibility.
Herman.Van.Uytven is neither a good choice, because X.400 will
have troubles in separating Name and Surname.

Other names we have :
 Surname : Karel          Name : Van der Haegen
 Surname : Anne-Mie       Name : De Meyer
 Surname : Paula          Name : D'Hondt        (a single quote)

Most names I see have Surname.Name, so the question is narrowed to
what you do with spaces, minus sign and quotes in parts of a (sur)name.
Accented characters (like in Ren{) will be translated to the
unaccented characters because this network is still 7-bit.

So I am wondering which rules other sites have, and why.
The goal we have is to give everybody an e-mail account like
Surname.Name@org.kuleuven.ac.be, so that we only have to put the
org in our paper telephone book.

Thanks,

-Herman-
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.headers
Subject: Re: Anastasios Kotsikonas' list server
Date: 25 Jan 1993 23:13:03 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston


For those of you who wish to correct the errors of Anastasios Kotsikonas'
ways, here's a tidbit I got in the mail...

-----------8<------------cut here---------------->8----------------

The KA9Q Unix Users mailing list is now under the control of a real live
LISTSERV!  It is Unix Listserv 6.0 (beta) by Anastasios Kotsikonas
(tasos@cs.bu.edu).

Because I wanted access and distribution as robust as possible, I have
installed ListServ and this list on the internet node:

       knuth.mtsu.edu

therefore, the following addresses are now in effect:

       administravia -         listserv@knuth.mtsu.edu
       thi -           ka9q-unix@knuth.mtsu.edu

knuth.mtsu.edu's ip number is 161.45.1.1.

Now, for the first time ever, Unix Listserv 6.0 Beta has implemented in
it IULP (Interactive Unix Listserver Protocol).  What this means is that
you that are on Internet may connect to knuth.mtsu.edu port 372 and access
the listserver interactively.  You might try:

       telnet knuth.mtsu.edu 372

It is still in BETA and you may experience problems.

For more info on the listserv@knuth.mtsu.edu, send mail to that address with
a message body of 'help'.

-----------8<------------cut here---------------->8----------------
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Xref: sparky comp.mail.headers:476 comp.mail.misc:4553
From: towfiq@Microdyne.COM (Mark Towfiq)
Date: 28 Jan 93 10:07:24
Organization: Microdyne Corporation, Westford, MA, USA
In-reply-to: Herman Van Uytven's message of Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:31:31 +01
Newsgroups: comp.mail.headers,comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: rules for 'Personal Name' E-mail addresses
X-Mailer: GNU Emacs 18.58 with RMAIL and Supercite 2.2
Distribution: world

  Just a clarification:  I think you mixed the meanings of "surname"
and "name" -- one's surname is one's family name, while one's name is
one's first name, e.g. mine is "Mark", and my surname is "Towfiq".

Mark
Newsgroups: comp.mail.headers
From: news@geovision.gvc.com (News Administrator)
Subject: Re: Mail vs. News headers - What's the diff?
Reply-To: pt@compass.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:38:44 GMT

manaster@yu1.yu.edu (Chaim Manaster) writes:
>Can someone tell me if there is any significant differences between
>headers on email items and usenet postingd?
I'm no expert, but as part of my experience gatewaying a mailing list to a
newsgroup, I've heard people complain that their mailer crapped out on
certain news headers.  However, reading RFC-822, it appears to me that
mailers are _required_ to accept the possiblity that mail might have new
headers that this particular mailer doesn't know about.

I'm sure Henry Spencer or somebody of that calibre could give a more
definitive answer.  However, the section of RFC-822 that I may be
misinterpreting looks like:

             Individual users of network mail are free to  define  and
        use  additional  header  fields.   Such fields must have names
        which are not already used in the current specification or  in
        any definitions of extension-fields, and the overall syntax of
        these user-defined-fields must conform to this specification's
        rules   for   delimiting  and  folding  fields.   Due  to  the
        extension-field  publishing  process,  the  name  of  a  user-
        defined-field may be pre-empted
 
        Note:  The prefatory string "X-" will never  be  used  in  the
               names  of Extension-fields.  This provides user-defined
               fields with a protected set of names.

Thus, I think that any mailer that chokes on headers it doesn't understand,
rather than ignoring them, is in violation of RFC-822.
-- 
I'm the News Administrator at this site, and you're not!
I just administer the news, I don't make or state policy.
From: peters@bsc.guild.org (Peter Sleggs)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.headers
Subject: Re: Headers??? How many formats?
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 09:41:50 EST
Organization: Bellatrix Systems Corp., Mississauga, ONT Canada

oberman@ptavv.llnl.gov writes:

> Things are getting closer to the truth. The address to whom mail is delivered
> is, indeed, the envelope address which is not part of the message. This can
> lead to some strange messages when the To: line and the envelope differ, but 
> is NOT unusual.
> 
> The reply address MAY be the envelope "from" address, but not necessarily. Th
> order of prefererence for reply is rather long, but LOTS of header fields tak
> precidence over the envelope. RFC-822 is quite fuzzy on this, but there can b
> no question that some fields (e.g. "Reply-To:) must be deferred to. Simply
> using the envelope "from" field for replys is NOT adequate. The commercial
> mailer I use determines the corrrect address for replys in the order:
> 
> Resent-Reply-To:
> Resent-From:
> Reply-To:
> From:
> Resent-Sender:
> Sender:
> envelope "from" address
> 
> The envelope "from" is pretty much reserved for occasions when there is no
> useful header information. The RFCs are NOT clear on this order, so some
> mailers may vary.

Are there standard header lines added by listservers/mailing list
programs to indicate where bounces should be sent ?

The From/Reply-To usually point to the sender/list address which is
useless when the list maintainer is ignoring mail to that address, and
the author has no control over the destinations :(

[ I have a site in our domain that no longer exists and a user was
subscribed to the isdn mailing list ]


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peters@bsc.guild.org or beltrix!bsc!peters
From: oberman@ptavv.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.mail.headers
Subject: Re: Headers??? How many formats?
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:34:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.234753.20583@blilly.uucp>, bruce@blilly.uucp (Bruce Lilly) writes:
> In article <1993Jan19.211424.9632@news.csuohio.edu>,
>  posted to comp.mail.headers,
>  damin@ullman.cba.csuohio.edu (Greg Boehnlein) wrote:
>> Once the mail was AT these locations, it 
>>was my job to pick up the mail files in their original format, download 
>>them to our gateway machines, parse and distribute them, converting in the
>>process between the Internet (RFC 822) standards and our FutureNet standards.
> 
> mail != files.
> 
> In order to deliver the messages, you don't want to look at the headers, you
> want to look at the envelope address. The same applies to the return
> address; it comes from the envelope, not the headers.
> 
> It is perfectly legal to have a message with no To: header and an empty Bcc:
> header.
> 
> If you must deal with the message as a stream of characters (or a disk
> file), I'd recommend using an SMTP-formatted message, where the envelope
> addresses are contained in the SMTP MAIL FROM (or SAML/SOML/SEND FROM) and
> RCPT TO commands. This is sometimes called batched SMTP. RFC821 (as amended
> by RFC1123) is the SMTP specification.

Things are getting closer to the truth. The address to whom mail is delivered
is, indeed, the envelope address which is not part of the message. This can
lead to some strange messages when the To: line and the envelope differ, but it
is NOT unusual.

The reply address MAY be the envelope "from" address, but not necessarily. The
order of prefererence for reply is rather long, but LOTS of header fields take
precidence over the envelope. RFC-822 is quite fuzzy on this, but there can be
no question that some fields (e.g. "Reply-To:) must be deferred to. Simply
using the envelope "from" field for replys is NOT adequate. The commercial
mailer I use determines the corrrect address for replys in the order:

Resent-Reply-To:
Resent-From:
Reply-To:
From:
Resent-Sender:
Sender:
envelope "from" address

The envelope "from" is pretty much reserved for occasions when there is no
useful header information. The RFCs are NOT clear on this order, so some
mailers may vary.

R. Kevin Oberman			Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Internet: koberman@llnl.gov		(510) 422-6955

Disclaimer: Don't take this too seriously. I just like to improve my typing
and probably don't really know anything useful about anything.
From: valdis@black-ice.cc.vt.edu (Valdis Kletnieks)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.headers
Subject: Re: Illit
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:42:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA

In article <1993Jan22.115036.8621@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> bhs1@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (bruce.h.simon) writes:
>  Maybe there should be a Newsgroup called comp.dumb for those of
>us who are programming illiterate.  I would like to know how to
>change my header so that nobody can follow it, but at the same
>time allow me to recieve email.

OK.. I'll bite.  What are you attempting to do? 

If you change the header so "nobody can follow it", whatever that
means, how will people be able to *send* you mail so you can receive
it?

If you gave people the wrong phone number, would you *care* if
your phone was able to receive calls?

				Valdis Kletnieks
				Computer Systems Engineer
				Virginia Tech