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From: vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell))
Subject: Re: Ambivalence
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:55:21 GMT

In article <N4LEB3F@taronga.com> arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva) writes:
>vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell)) writes:
>> 
>>     On one hand, I really admire the skill of the salesperson who convinced
>> Burger King stockholders to market Capitol Critters figures with their Kid's
>> Meals.  On the other hand, I snicker cruelly at Burger King, stuck with 
>> warehouses full of reproductions of canceled characters.  And I have to 
>> think that salesperson must have been a slick, unscrupulous wiener to 
>> consciously lie to Burger King like that.  
>
>I seriously doubt there was any deception going on here.
>You must remember that the retail market runs at least 6 months ahead of
>the real world (how else do you think winter clothes show up in the
>middle of August?).  I'm sure the Capitol Critters deal was made months
>and months ago.  For that matter, with so many different companies
>being owned by the same entities, perhaps there were some ties involved.

I guess I misworded that.  That's what I meant;  I shouldn't have said the
conceptual salesperson "lied";  but they certainly overestimated the popularity
of it, before it had even hatched.  I could see somebody haranguing, "I'm 
tellin' ya --- this show's gonna be a hit and a half!" to the animation-naive
Burger King people.  I have no doubt that the deal was done months ago.  That
was the salesperson's advantage:  he could speculate as he/she wished on the
"bright" future of CC, and no one could disprove it.
    I sure would be interested to know if the sale of Kid's Meals actually
goes up.

   VGR


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From: smmcafee@mtu.edu (Sean McAfee)
Subject: Re: TV This Week (April 11 - 17, 1992)
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 23:59:07 GMT

From rec.arts.tv (hope I edited the newsgroups line correctly...):

In article <12450@umd5.umd.edu> jp443@macbeth.umd.edu (QA Team) writes:
>TV This Week (April 11 - 17, 1992)
>==================================

>ABC has announced its fall Saturday morning lineup.  (Those with good
>memory will remember that NBC has removed Saturday morning cartoons
>with "Satuday Today"...)  Gone are "Hammerman", "Pirates of Dark Water"
                                                  ^^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^
>and "Slimer! And the Real Ghostbusters".  New are "Wild West C.O.W.-Boys of
>Moo Mesa" (what sort of stupid title is that?), "The Addams Family",
>and "Goof Troop".

I can't believe it.  I just can't believe it.

"Pirates of Dark Water" is the best show on Saturday morning.  Now it's
going the way of all other quality cartoons.  I suppose it was inevitable,
but I can't believe they would cut the series off halfway through the Quest.

I find myself extremely perturbed at ABC.

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From: smmcafee@mtu.edu (Sean McAfee)
Subject: Re: TV This Week (April 11 - 17, 1992)
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:13:33 GMT

In article <y4w6iB1w164w@netlink.cts.com> joshm@netlink.cts.com (Josh Mercer) writes:
>Just for the record, I think it's a travesty that Dark Water is getting the 
>axe.  It's probably because the stupid toys didn't sell well enough
>(sort of like Robotech).  I, too, have LOADS of complaints with the
>last 8 episodes, but for what it was (that is, the Fox miniseries with
>Roddy Mcdowal as Niddler), I shall miss it when it's gone.

What exactly are your complaints?  To me, the series is well-nigh perfect!  I
don't think it's much of a stretch to say it's almost as good or even as good
as the old Dungeons and Dragons series.

This reminds me of a similar thread over on rec.arts.tv, where just about
everyone complains about how badly "L.A. Law" sucks nowadays.  I just started
watching it a few months ago, and I think it's pretty darn good.

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From: ewilson@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ethan G. Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Last Unicorn - Animation Reccomendations
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:25:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <29EA0269.19321@ics.uci.edu> rang@ics.uci.edu (Roger P. Ang) writes:

>On a different note, I also recommend "The Plauge Dogs", a good
>depressing flick.  But can anyone tell me if Ralph Bakshi's "American
>Pop" is out on video?

   I agree that the animated movie "The Plague Dogs" had a rather
depressing feeling in it, but otherwise, I feel that it was a
well-executed piece of animated drama.  I would also like to note that
the producers of that animation are the same ones that released
"Watership Down," another excellent animated movie that should be
watched by any animation fan that hasn't already yet.


--Ethan Wilson - Affiliate Member of The Akron Animation Association
  ewilson@gnu.ai.mit.edu
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From: umcho000@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Connie Cho)
Subject: Secret of Nimh (WAS: Re: Rock-a-Doodle - reviews?)
Keywords: RaD
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:18:18 GMT


I loved SoN until the last fifteen minutes. Then it totally
lost it, and me. In fact, I don't like the movie in general because
I was so disappointed in the movie. What the hell happened with 
Mrs. Brisby's gallant soldier? (forgot his name) IT was such a
lame colorless ending that my sister and I kinda gaped and looked
at each other. You know, I must have hated it so much I tried
to forget it, 'cause I can't recall it too well, but I do 
recall we sat and complained all afternoon about it. It was
especially bad because the rest of the movie was so good. To
this day I have yet to see another Bluth offering (all of which,
BTW, get panned by critics, don't they? I wonder why.)

CKC

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From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Subject: Re: Speed Racer show
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 10:47:50 GMT

OK, speaking of our old pal Speed Racer, I was curious which
episodes/stories (to take in account the multi-episode plots) people
thought were the best, specifically focusing on the ones available on
tape.  I thought I'd relive my childhood (god, what a depressing
thought!  8^P) by watching the best of the bunch.  Perhaps divided
into categories like funniest, scariest, best story, best this, best
that, etc.  Any commentary?

Also, on a related note, I was trying to track down/remember two particular
episodes.  One was described in Animag 11(?) as "The Car Hater," about a man
who lost his son(?) in a car crash and went around sabotaging racing car
brakes in order to prove how dangerous they were (`8-\ Hmmm, doesn't sound
like a very rational fellow, does he?).  Apparently at one point he beats
his daughter for admiring the Mach 5.  Anybody know where I can find this one?
I'm intrigued by it...  The second one is really hazy in my mind, it involved
some sort of mysterious car that went around smashing others up or something;
all I really remember is this robot(?) driver with a really sinister voice/
laugh(?).  This particular episode gave me the heebie-jeebies for a long time
and I'm curious if it can still evoke a little fear in me.  Any help tracking
either of these episodes down would be appreciated.
-- 
Bill "I went thru 14 years of school for this?!" Barnes   wbarnes@sura.net
Disclaimer:  Don't assume anything I say is truthful, accurate, or worthwhile.
Datclaimer:  My employers wouldn't WANT to share some of my opinions.
From: stevea@jab.tucson.az.us (Steve Albany)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: The ElfQuest Movie
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 12:43:17 PDT
Organization: Just Another Bbs. Tucson, AZ

        It would be really nice to see it some decade. I've been a fan of 
the original "comicbook" run since its inception. I don't know if Bakshi 
would have been my first choice, although if the Elves look like those in 
WIZARDS, I won't be too disapointed!

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 17 Apr 1992 09:28:36 CDT
From: <U52025@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Cool World
 <kusi7lINN2e7@girtab.usc.edu>

Does anyone have any idea what will be on next seen saturday cartoon schedule
for CBS, NBC, and ABC? I heard, from MTV and TV guide, that ABC is cancelling
HAMMER MAN and NBC, or CBS, is cancelling KID AND PLAY SHOW.What I really want
 to know are the BIG THREE going to have cartoons with good story line and
action to go with it? I'm getting tired of cartoons that always have to have a
meaning to it and cartoons that are only made to sale their products. Some
examples are Mario brothers, Little muppets, care bears, HAMMERMAN(thank god
that's off the air), and BEETLEJUICE. All of these cartoons SUCKS!!!!!!!


I'm starting to have hope when I see cartoons such as TINY TOON, DARK WATERS
, and even ATTACK OF THE KILLER TOMATOES. But I miss the days of cartoons like
ROBOTECH, cartoons like that did not insult the intelligence of kids. I mean if
 somebody got shot at in ROBOTECH there was a real chance that that person coul
d have died, in G.I.JOE everybody was shooting but no one got hit. When are
American Cartoonist going to improve to the standers of the Japanese Cartoonist
. Comparing the two today would be like comparing a remote control car to that
of a Porche, which one would you rather have?

I can see that I got off the subject. My question, before I got steamed up
, was what new cartoon, if any, with a go story line and action will be on CBS,
 NBC, or ABC?  Or any on cindication(sp?)?

Post if you feel the same as I do or not!!!
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From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: The Littles
Keywords: Littles
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 11:53:02 GMT

We get the Littles on one of the cable channels. I must say they're better
than the general run of kids cartoons. I wouldn't call them "mouse like"...
they're more like leprechauns with buckteeth and tails.
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From: hancock@inland.com (Tom Hancock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Who did these cartoons?
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:22:50 GMT
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

In article <1992Apr13.132842.22404@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, Sean Alan Squier <ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
> 
> OKay, Who can tell me please who created these cartoons::
> 
> Speed Buggy
> Wheelie and the Chopper Bunch
		Don't know.
> Jabberjaw
		Hanna-Barbara?
> Tom Slick
		Jay Ward!  Part of "George of the Jungle"
> 
> and any others that followed that time period...
> thanks....
		Huh?
> 
> Sean Squier
> (Future CEO - The Walt Disney Co.)
> ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
					Tom
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From: eabu249@orion.oac.uci.edu (Video Boy Oi)
Subject: Animation Survey!  (Please Read)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Organization: Dosu Productions
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:54:55 GMT
Distribution: na


--------------------------------

     Recently, the amount of animated films per year coming out in theatres
has increased.  Most recent are "Rock-a-Doodle" and "FernGully".   I've been
trying to write a comparison, and it's just become too hard to compare, so I
thought I'd put up a little survey.  Feel free to answer it, and e-mail the
answers back to me.  I will post the results when the survey is over.

                                     Thanks.

                                    Avi Melman


Look for some interesting facts at the bottom of the survey.

*****************************************************************************
ANIMATION SURVEY!!!
*****************************************************************************


1.   Have you seen BOTH Rock-a-Doodle AND FernGully?  (If no, please state
     which one, if any, you have seen yet.  Skip the following questions, and
     go down to #8.)


2.   Which one was your favorite?


3.   Which one did you feel had better humor?


4.   Which one did you feel had better animation?


5.   Which one did you feel had a better story?


6.   Critique both films here!!


7.   Which one did you feel had the best voice actors/actresses in it?  
     (You are allowed bias for your favorite voice actor/actress.  With me, 
      it's Phil Harris, with Robin Williams ad-libbing his way to first.  I 
      guess it's a tie with me.)


8.   Which animated film is your all-time favorite?


9.   Which animated film do you most look forward to in the future (EX:  Cool 
     World, Aladdin, A Troll in Central Park, etc...)


10.   Comments...



AND NOW...THE FACTS



1.   Each character in FernGully was headed by a different animator from each
     of the major studios.

     a)   Batty Koda's lead animator was Dan Kuenster (That's right!!  One of
          the Don Bluth leaders)

2.   Robin Williams volunteered for his role.  His pay will go to the fund
     to save the rainforests.

3.   Don Bluth, with the help of European investors, managed to buy the share
     formerly owned by his business partner, Morris F. Sullivan.  The studio
     will now be called  "Don Bluth Entertainment".  Don's already bought BACK
     the rights to his three latest productions.  (Variety, Jan. 13, 1992)


More facts later (when I can find them)

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From: anash@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu (Dana Uehara c/o Andrew Nash)
Subject: The Littles
Keywords: Littles
Reply-To: anash@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu (Dana Uehara c/o Andrew Nash)
Organization: Toonaholics Anonymous, Turtleholics Anonymous, DA-Holics Anonymous
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:14:23 GMT

Does anyone out there remember the animated TV series "The Littles"?  It was
based on some books written by John Peterson and was about a family of small,
mouselike people.

Except for an ABC Weekend Special showing of "Here Come The Littles" (1985)
and a more recent Weekend Special showing "Liberty and the Littles" (????)
I haven't seen or heard anything from or about them.

The series was on for about a couple of seasons on ABC, after which it no
longer aired.  Does anyone know if it aired anywhere else?  "Enquiring minds
want to know..." ;-)


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From: vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell))
Subject: Re: Laugh-O-Lympics
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 19:39:29 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.031230.15210@cbfsb.cb.att.com> forbes@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (scott.forbes) writes:
>silvers3@husc8.harvard.edu (Jolyon Silversmith) writes:
>>A friend and I were reminiscing, and discovered that we coun't remember what
>>characters hosted Hanna-Barbera's "Laugh-O-Lympics" show.  I think that's how
>>the name was spelled - its been a while, but we can remember almost every other
>>detail.  Help?
>
>Snaggletooth, and -- ... and... Okay, I'm one for two here.  Anybody got
>the name of the brown one?

Hokey Wolf.  (Spelling probably differs.)

   VGR



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From: pochron@cat28.cs.wisc.edu (David Pochron)
Subject: Re: Secret of Nimh (WAS: Re: Rock-a-Doodle - reviews?)
Summary: what the heck??
Keywords: Bluth SoN
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 23:29:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.151818.18683@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umcho000@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Connie Cho) writes:
>
>I was so disappointed in the movie. What the hell happened with 
>Mrs. Brisby's gallant soldier? (forgot his name) IT was such a

HUH?  What are you talking about?  You must be referring to Justin but I
don't know why you say "what happened to him."

>lame colorless ending that my sister and I kinda gaped and looked

LAME?  COLORLESS!?  How can you say this, the climax was fantastic, and it
one of my favorite parts of the film!


>this day I have yet to see another Bluth offering (all of which,
>BTW, get panned by critics, don't they? I wonder why.)

"Land Before Time" received good reviews in most cases, and "An American
Tail" which got generally good reviews but some negative ones were there
as well.  (Notably, S&E.)
I have already stated that just about everyone reviewed "Secret of NIMH" in
a positive light, so why did you make your statement above, anyhow?

Before you indiscriminantly flame this film, I suggest you go back and watch it
again.

-- 

   David M. Pochron             | "Don't shoot!  I have a wife and kids!!  Hmm,
   pochron@garfield.cs.wisc.edu | when did that happen??"  - Capitol Critters
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From: smmcafee@mtu.edu (Sean McAfee)
Subject: Dark Water (was Re: TV This Week (April 11 - 17, 1992))
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:36:59 GMT

In article <5wR8iB1w164w@netlink.cts.com> joshm@netlink.cts.com (Josh Mercer) writes:
>smmcafee@mtu.edu (Sean McAfee) writes:
>> What exactly are your complaints?  To me, the series is well-nigh perfect!  I
>> don't think it's much of a stretch to say it's almost as good or even as good
>> as the old Dungeons and Dragons series.
 
>Let's see.  First, the new voice for Niddler. Second, the writing for
>Niddler with his new voice.

Hmmm.  I missed the original run (last year my TV access was even more limited
than this year), so I can't compare the two Niddlers.  He sounds and acts
just like a monkey-bird should, IMO.

>Thye writing in general became
>more simplistic on ABC; things like the baby leviathan for instance.

Urk; I'd forgotten about that.  You're absolutely right.

>There was less violence (no one getting dropped in boiling water/mud/
>lava/whatever, for instance).  By that, I mean, there wasn't death.  

But there *was* death.  The guardian of the temple in episode #1, the
alchemist in "A Drop of Darkness" (who died quite horribly), and the female
human leader in one of first episodes (who was devoured by the dark water).
Noy jitat--I've only seen these episodes 2-3 times apiece, and I still can't
remember the names.

Okay, I see that the show has its faults.  But I still think it boasts some
*classic* lines, such as in the episode with the flightless monkey-birds:

[Ioz grabs Tula before she can fall off a cliff.]
Tula:  Why, Ioz, you almost sounded as if you were worried!
Ioz:   Of course!  ...I still need a way down!

Ioz's ear-to-ear grin upon seeing the treasures in episode #2 is classic, as
well as his cursing in the same episode as he tries unsuccessfully to snag a
golden plate floating by with a hook: "Noy jitat--chit--chat--chowww!"

And I've always liked the way the writers have snuck swearing--albeit of an
alien variety--into the show.  When disliked individuals are referred to as
"chungo lungoes", it's not too hard to figure out the Earth equivalent of
the curse!  :)

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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:33:49 GMT

ar710@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (William G. Martin) writes:


>Regarding the animated TV series:

>Embedded in the cartoon episodes of this series are brief snippets
>of animation in a completely different style than that of the
>regular cartoon. They are used to depict TV broadcasts within the
>Netherworld. I find this style very interesting and would like to
>know more about it. It is just about impossible for me to describe it --
>the best I can do is to say that it is sort of a "collage" effect.

>Does this particular style of animation have a name? Can anyone post
>more about it? Is it produced in some special or unusual fashion,
>different from ordinary drawn cel-by-cel animation?

It's just regular old computer animation, isn't it?


                                               --Steve Stelter
                                              sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

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From: rglass@pcs.cnc.edu (randall glass)
Subject: Transor-Z
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:51:47 GMT

 hello there, 
	i am wondering if anyone has seen this old (well 1980ish)
 japanese cartoon (yeah, i know, go bug  rec.arts.anime) ANYWAY,
 i am looking for any episodes on tape. i've noticed all the talk
 on Speed Racer....but $10 a tape (with one episode) is asking too
 much.
	so, if anyone has any info on Transor-Z, one of the fifty
 million 'goofy robot saves the day' type of cartoon (much like
 Grandizer, Dangard Ace, Voltron, etc,etc.) please reply here or
 mail me!
	info or talk would be fine!
 later----
	randall glass
	rglass@pcs.cnc.edu
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