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From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Chi
Date: 16 Nov 1992 18:04:39 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
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tekare00@nx13.mik.uky.edu  writes:
  +
  +It has been my understanding that there are two ways to develop your chi.   
  +One of the ways comes from India and involves using the breath to generate  
  +and to move the chi (or the warmth).  The other way comes from China.   
  +This method uses the Tai Chi form or various excersizes to develop and  
  +circulate chi.  The breath in this method is not utilized.  I must stress  
  +again that this is only my understanding.  This is what I have practiced,  
  +and what has worked for me so far.  I would more than welcome an opinion  
  +form anyone else.

I would suggest that this characterization is not correct.  Most, if 
not all, moving chi kung exercises also place a premium on proper 
breath control to help stimulate chi movement.  Of course, this may
not be what you had in mind.  A characterization that I've seen is
that there are static and moving chi kung exercises.  Breath control
is important in both, but I find that the great (or perhaps greater) 
emphasis on mental visualization in static chi kung is a larger
difference (except in the case of "spontaneous" chi kung, where they
overlap).

Terry
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From: gene@max.physics.sunysb.edu (Eugene Tyurin)
Subject: Re: Humor, at NH tournament
Organization: Institute for the Theoretical Physics
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:20:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.105548.7064@cbnews.cb.att.com> yy@cbnews.cb.att.com (alan.j.lapenn) writes:
>
>I was at the Northern Shaolin Karate Assn. tournament  in Concord, NH this 
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Pardon me, guys, but how one can glue Shaolin to Karate?
 From all my knowledge about MA history I can only think about this as
 of a funny commercial name. Any experts out there?
______________________________________________________________________________
 Eugene  N.  Tyurin  <+>                          gene@max.physics.sunysb.edu
 Physics Department  <+>  Two wrongs do not make it right, but three lefts do.
 SUNY @ Stony Brook  <+>                              W. Siegel (unpublished)
From: D.G.Legros@bradford.ac.uk (DG LEGROS)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Jujitsu
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:42:44 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 92356597@ccw202
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David Scheid (scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM) wrote:
: In article 1788@bradford.ac.uk, D.G.Legros@bradford.ac.uk (DG LEGROS) writes:
: >Ronin Ryu is one man's interpretation of the techniques he was taught.
: >Ryu means School.  Samurai Ju-Jutsu, is also known as Samurai Ryu,
: >These are the names of SCHOOLS of the art, NOT STYLES.  Our
: >instructor left the Samurai Ryu, as they were ripping the club off,
: >hence he left the assoc, and formed his own, hence the name Ronin,
: >(Masterless Samurai), and as for all the students he conned, the
: >Ryu consists of 3 clubs.
: 
: Ryu means School in the sense of a System. The Schools which 
: belong to a Ryu are called -kan. 
: 
: By way of example: Danzan Ryu - The Hawaiian Island System (School).
: 
: Kodenkan - School of the Ancient Tradition (teaching the Ryu)
: Doshinkan - School of the Spirit Way (teaching the Ryu)
: Honshinkan - School of the Original Mind/Spirit (teaching the Ryu)
: 
: What was pointed out by Robert is Ronin Ryu & Samurai Ryu are oxymorons.
: 
: I agree with his conclusion.
: 
: ---
: Dave Scheid - All Disclaimers Apply

After some extensive research, I have found out that Samurai Ryu, is the
WESTERN name for the art.  It is formally called Shorinju Ryu, and it
originated in Japan.  Ronin carries a different name so as to
distance ourselves from the assoc. that was fleecing us.
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From: marcs@yang.earlham.edu (Marc Seebass(Thunderbolt))
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Boxing vs Martial Arts
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:22:51 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <15577@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, bae@Auspex.COM (Brian Ehrmantraut) writes:
> In article <1eht5vINNi9d@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon) writes:
>> which is more superior martial arts or boxing ?
That's like asking what is better for you fruits or a tomato. Boxing is a 
martial art and so is wrestling for that matter.
From: 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Boxing vs Martial Arts
Date: 21 Nov 1992 01:19:57 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon)
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I am writing in regards to what a person said that Bruce Lee punched harder
than most Heavy Weight Champions these days.  I just totaly disagree that a
160 pound guy punches harder than a man 230+, c'mon be serious.  Don't get me
wrong I use to train 5 years ago, and I think martial arts is good protection.
It does not mean it is the ultimate self defense. Boxers can punch to break 
bones. just like karate guys .  Breaking boards and bricks do not mean nothing?
From: rtravsky@news.uwyo.edu (Rich Travsky)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Kicking with instep vs. ball
Date: 15 Nov 92 17:48:36 GMT
Organization: Banzai Institute

In article <1e2ccmINNgpk@agate.berkeley.edu>, rpaw@ocf.berkeley.edu
   (Richard Tse-Woon Paw) writes:
> [whackity whack]
> Time to add another angle.  Try a roundhouse kick using the shin as the
> striking point.
> 
> [more whackity whack] 
> Which technique to use is pretty much dependant on what you want to do and
> what the situation is.
> 

One other consideration to keep in mind is the distance control. There's
a difference of a few inches in target range between the use of the instep
vs. the ball of the foot. May not seem like much but it can become critical
when trying an attack. You have to be closer still to use the shins.

When watching students spar with foot gear, I have observed a lot of instep
round house kicks where there is an apparent hit, but the foot gear can 
obscure what really happens (this is dependent on the viewing angle, mind
you). There is less doubt in a ball of the foot round house. I tell
students that if they can execute the ball of the foot, they can execute the
instep. The reverse is not necessarily true if the student has only
practiced the instep kick.

Rich Travsky                  Division of Information Technology
University of Wyoming         rtravsky@corral.uwyo.edu
"We tottered together upon the brink of the fall. I have some knowledge, 
however, of baritsu, or the Japanese system of wrestling...I slipped 
through his grip..."  _The Return of Sherlock Holmes_
From: silatman@hls.com
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Fight Strategy in Escrima
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:42:28 GMT


                  Fight Strategy in Escrima:


     In "Escrima", also known as Kali, Arnis, and more truthfully
Silat Sumba [from the island of Sumba, in eastern Indonesia],
the training is in two parts:

1. Learning the KEY:

    First, a student learns the key to the art, which is 
usually block and counter routines based upon defending against
a number of attack projections. The key has to be learnt and
practiced slowly and with precision. You increase the speed
of the practice of the key as your seeing increases, and
as you begin to perceive attack projections at higher speeds.

    In the Cabales Serrada system, this key is practiced with
one partner feeding the hits and the other responding with
the block and counter movements. 

    The most important part is the correctness of the footwork
and the body positioning. One way to practice this is 
to have one partner feed with the stick and the other not
have any stick, and just avoid getting hit with correct 
footwork and body motion. Then, give the man a stick and
respond with stick blocks. 

    A big mistake to be observed in most Escrima schools
is the neglect of realistic footwork and body positioning,
and just dependency on hand movements, without even 
leaning their head away from the oncoming hit! Also, one
should alternate training with soft sparring sticks to
get realistic hitting and high speed movements in
the training. This would improve reaction and specially
the footwork!

   2. Fighting Strategy:

   Once the key is learned, one must experiment with
"abnormal" stick attacks, ones not practiced against
normally, like continuous circular, horizontal and
linear type attacks. Against one who is an expert in
weaving, it is almost impossible to defend against
without using some strategy. Meaning, you cannot use
the knowledge of the key alone to fight an expert
who can make the stick vanish in his hand. To fight
such an opponent you need to position yourself
at a distance first, and move circularly around him,
on the opposite side from his attacking arm. Headon collision
is not recommended. Using just simple knowledge without
strategy against this person will be stupid, since
you will respond to the last time you saw his stick, and 
he is probably a few hits ahead of you by the time you
make the physical move. Such a person must be fought
at a distance first, and move so that he has to
adjust himself. 

   Many people practicing "Escrima" do not practice
high speed. Once they do they will have to come up
with strategies to close in on a fast hitter. It is
a matter of synchronisation with the opponent, in order
to break his attacking flow.

                       salam alaikum!

                                 Khalid Khan
From: ph2sct@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (Dzu Nguyen)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: some questions
Date: 17 Nov 92 08:14:33 GMT


 hi again...i have some more questions...

1) does anyone use dynamic tension as part of their training ? if so
is it useful to you and what is a good way to get startes on it?
should i even try dynamic tension?

2) also...i have these 2 friends that study two completely different
styles. one studies aikido with me and another studies san soo kung
foo (sp?). my problem is that they argue constantly about their
respective styles..each commenting on the other's style as either
somewhat ineffective or lacking in good technique. also they both
have the same opinions of other arts namely they see their own art
as the best. i am not putting down either style (i study aikido
in additions to other arts) but it has gotten to the point where
they cannot talk to each other about martial arts without quarrelling.
Also, it is impossible for them NOT to talk about their respective
arts since their martial arts training gives their entire life
meaning. HELP!

also: my aikido friend considers san soo to be brutal and lacking in
philosophical guidelines whereas my san soo friends considers all
other martial arts, esp. aikido to be surrounded by useless
traditional bullsh*t that would be useless in a fight therefore not
worth learning.  my aikido friend has watched several san soo
classes and my san soo friend has taken several aikido classes
before joining san soo.

i would appreciate it if somebody could help me out! this problem is
not going to escalate but it isn't helping their friendship out and
it is impossible to talk with them (i've tried many times).

thanks again.

dzu

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From: hurben@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mike Hurben)
Subject: Tae Kwon Do, getting a Black Belt, etc...
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:56:35 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

  Hello!  I only recently discovered this group - I don't have a specific
question to ask, but someone may want to make some comments...
  I have been training in TKD here in Ft Collins for about a year now, and I am
presently a red belt (white,yellow,green,blue,red,black).  This was not my
first MA experience...I took some wadu-ryu (sp) about 12 years ago, but only for
about a year.  It seems very similar to TKD.  My Do-jang is in the World T.K.D.
Federation, so we study the Tae Guek forms, and Koryo form.
  I am very pleased with the progress I have made.  When I was a yellow or 
green belt, it was not uncommon for me to spend 12 - 15 hours/week training, but
now I am lucky if I get 8.  My problem is as follows.  I have paid for my
training with a 'lifetime' membership, which pays all of my tuition plus test
fees, all the way up to Black Belt.  This was considerably expensive.  I was
originally planning on being in town for many years, but now it seems likely
that I will have to move in May.  Needless to say, I want to get my money's
worth, since all of my very expensive tests are paid for, and there is no way
I could get the money back.  Now, the way that testing is done here is that
for black, you essentially have to test twice.  By the way, is this how most
schools do this?  What happens is we have 'Black Belt recommend' which is what
you get if you pass test 1, and you also get to wear the belt.  Then, the
second test is for '1st Dan.'  Now, I don't believe that there is any way that
I can become 1st Dan in just 6 or 7 months, partially because I don't think
anyone should be able to get it within that short a time span.  But I think that
if I really push, I might make recommend.  Is this a reasonable goal?  How
many years "should" it take?  If nothing else, having this goal will make me
work much harder, and that will be good for me, regardless of how I do on my 
test.  I just don't want to waste my money.  Any thoughts?

Kom-sahm-nee-da

Mike Hurben

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From: dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552)
Subject: Re: Aikido : jo vs. spear
Organization: just me
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 13:55:42 GMT
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts

In article <1992Nov17.184646.11795@cs.brown.edu> tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus) writes:
>
>  There is something I have always wondered about the jo.  Biographies of 
>  O'Sensei note that he studied Hozoin ryu spear, but not the jo (although 
>  there is mention of Daito-ryu "stick fighting").  When we study aikijo, 
>  are we really imitating the movements of a spear rather than a jo, just 
>  as a bokken is not a bokken but a katana?  In aikijo kata we have far 
>  fewer end-reversals than in jodo kata, to the extent that one might 
>  suspect that they were just thrown in at some point (of course unlike 
>  the jo the spear is asymmetric, one would rarely if ever want to reverse 
>  the position of the spear head).  Comments??

From what I've seen of the European spear styles - some of the old combat
manuals have spear work in them - the butt of the spear is very useful in
close combat.  It can be used to hook an opponents spear shaft or part of
the body, or as a club.  I think it reversing the shaft is most useful in
situations where your weapon in constrained - a press or a closing rush.

	David Pipes
robear@digex.com
>
>     -- Ted --
>
>==========================================================
>  Ted Camus                          Box 1910 CS Dept 
>  tac@cs.brown.edu                   Brown University
>  tac@browncs.BITNET                 Providence, RI 02912
From: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: The art of head-butting!
Date: 17 Nov 1992 15:07:25 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Reply-To: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
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In article <Bxu4FE.637@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, shulick@yankton.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
>
>hurting yourself?  I've experimented/practiced a little bit (ow!), and
>found that the part of the skull about three inches above the eyebrows
>is a TOUGH spot in the skull.  It's ABOUT where the hairline recedes.  I
>hit a wall w/ my head and it didn't hurt.. too much. :)  Call me
>insane.. :)  I just would like to know how to do it correctly, as a
>headbutt in a close, locked battle is a GOOD move.  Thanks.


well, keep doing it for a while. experiment with different angles, striking
areas, etc. let us know how things turn out.

-mukund
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - K31)
Subject: Re: Tournament & Business Software
Keywords: Tai Kwan Do, software, karate
Reply-To: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center	
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:56:02 GMT

Bill Turini  writes:
I have recently become involved with a local Tai Kwan Do studio whose main
goal is to teach students in an attempt to keep them off drugs, etc.  This
is an almost non-profit company and we parents have formed a "booster club"
in an attempt to better the organization.  We currently have 500+ students
in all classes.

500!!!!!!! I for one would like to hear more about this!!!!!!
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: The art of head-butting!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:46:31 GMT

In article <1e9t94INNgts@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bp652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gil W. Lau) writes:
>
>In a previous article, shulick@yankton.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) says:
>>I've always wondered, how do you pull off a successful headbutt without
>>hurting yourself?  I've experimented/practiced a little bit (ow!), and
>>found that the part of the skull about three inches above the eyebrows
>>is a TOUGH spot in the skull.  It's ABOUT where the hairline recedes.  I
>>hit a wall w/ my head and it didn't hurt.. too much. :)  Call me
>>insane.. :) 
>You're INSANE!!!  I hate to see the twenty-odd other times you did
>it against the wall and found out that part of the skull was not as
>tough!! *wince*

Man, thats right up there with blocking with your groin! <ouch!>

>Basically you've got the right part of your skull to use.  Never use
>your forehead against your opponents like you always see in the movies.
>What you want to do is to slam your crown moving in a straight line 
>into the guy's face.  This is what's been taught to me, but I kinda 
>doubt I'll ever use it in combat.  A good knee smash to the groin
>should do the trick!

But think of this Sam, if you posted BEFORE you started you
experimented with the hardness of your head, you could have gotten
the right spot "right off the bat".  Or more like a bat to the head.

I am just curious, HOW MANY times did you knock yourself out, Sam?
 






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From: ftit@dorking.engin.umich.edu (Sergej Roytman)
Subject: Re: 10th Dan & Badass Karate Bullshit
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 22:15:14 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: ftit@dorking.engin.umich.edu


In article <BxsE18.2t8@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick) writes:
|In article <74315@apple.apple.COM> mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins) writes:
|
|>I imagine that we could expect
|>a very good fighter to keep most of his conditioning as he
|>grows older, unless he sustains permanent injuries, and I would
|>certainly expect him to get better at the more mental aspects
|>of fighting, such as timing, strategy, tactics, and so on.
|
|Right, but while they may have a great idea of what to do, their
|physical strength will be less (although they will be stronger than
|their contemporaries) and hence their reaction time will also be
|slower.  Their bones will be more brittle, and their body fat
|percentage will tend to be higher (although this latter can
|be avoided).  
|

With all due respect, perhaps you know the wrong old martial artists?
I study Shotokan karate, which is about as hard as things get, and when
John Teramoto, who taught the head of our dojo, came to visit this
summer we got the rare treat of seeing Sensei getting a lesson.  This
man's timing was good enough to allow him to play with the most senior
members of our dojo as easily as they play with me (pretty easily!)

This may not qualify as old -- we're talking of a 40-50-abouts-year-
old man -- but I have it on good authority that Ohshima Sensei, who is
over 60, is still a stronger fighter than John Teramoto.  I'm not
experienced enough to make any meaningful martial-artsy-type statements
yet, but Mr. Ohshima did look pretty strong physically when he led a
practice at another dojo a couple of months ago.

Disclaimer: this is not another "My sensei can beat up your sensei"
article.  I am proud of my seniors, as we all are, but consider such
statements to be a particularly dim way to waste bandwidth.  Any
resemblance to such a thing is a hideous accident which I put down to
lack of sleep and -- what the hell -- jet lag.  Yeh, that's it.

|Dakin
|burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu

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From: lchurch2@bluemoon.use.com (Leonard Church)
Subject: Re: berimbaus, Brazilian arts, Capoeira
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 02:16:36 EST

rmr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Richard M. Romanowski) writes:

> 
> 	Hi -- a while back, I read _In_Search_Of_The_Warrior_Spirit_,
> written by a psychotherapist/aikido master, about teaching aikido to
> Green berets.
> 
> 	He mentioned Capoeira, a Brazilian method of martial artistry.
> There is a funky stringed instrument, with one string, called the
> berimbau, and apparently one strums funky jammin' Brazilian rhythms
> on this and goes into trance and so forth.  
> 
> 	Any one know about this? And (obsession becomes apparent) how
> it relates to Kundalini?  If at all?
> 
> 
> Thanks
> Luck
> Rick

The instrument and its rythmns have their roots back in the african origin 
of the style... most of these came from the prevailing tribal war songs 
and dances used widely on the north western portion of the african 
continent.

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From: giroti@sw.stratus.com (Sudhir Giroti)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Need Info ?
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:15:57 GMT
Distribution: ma
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: katie.sw.stratus.com

I'm new to the group so need advise from the wise-ones.
I had been doing Karate in New Delhi, India in the Goshin Ryu Karate 
Association (whose 'HQ' I guess is in Japan) for 6ish years and 
want info about any (good) school /dojo that would teach the same 
shoto-kan style. 

I prefer a location west of Rt 128 and East of 495 here in
Massachusetts. Thanks in advance.

-- 
Sudhir Giroti
giroti@katie.sw.stratus.com 
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From: farant@terapin.com (Faran Thomason)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: THE MASTER
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:07:06 PST
Organization: BBS

The Master didn't compare to Wong Fei Hong(Once Upon A time in China) at all
Once.. was infinatley better. All I can assume is Tsui Hark and Jet Li needed a
film to introduce Li to American audiences--This only Hong Kong movie that I
have seen that was 75% in English. IT obviously not shot on the same budget or
scale as any of Hark's other films. Or maybe they wanted to visit LA and write
offtheir trip as a business expense.

I read in a Magazine that Jet Li is hiding out in mainland China because triad
members killed his manager. I don't the details though.