HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Methods question
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:23:52 GMT

In article <todd.721120675@csrnxt1.ae.utexas.edu>, todd@csrnxt1.ae.utexas.edu (Todd W. Thompson) writes:
>This is kind of a theoretical thing for me right now, so please, lurkers,
>no calls to the Rice Campus Police, or, worse, the Rice Campus Crusade for
>Christ (God forbid). Anyways, from what height would one need to jump to
>be relatively certain of death?

The men in white suits have been notified.  Off to the happy-bin with you.  :^)

To answer your question, it depends.  What kind of terrain are you landing
on?  If it's a bed of knives, 10 feet should do it.  If you're a champion
diver, you can probably smash your skull on concrete pretty well from 50
feet.  But if you screw up and land legs-first, you might just wind up a
parapalegic.  

If you're landing on water or grass, it's best to land at terminal velocity,
so you'd jump from a mile or so in the air.

You could always jump from 20 feet with a 10-foot rope tied around your
neck...

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: vance@lpl.arizona.edu (Vance Haemmerle )
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: a.s.?holiday?
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:43:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.

In article <1992Nov9.202156.789@panix.com> rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers) writes:
>Why is it alt.sucide._holiday_?  Besides making it "ash"- a nice tla.
>
>-- 
>rpowers@panix.com                .sig file...             ...just a .sig file.

Why not holiday?  We all celibrate the day we enter this world, why not
when we leave it?  Besides, every day is a celibration, of what I have
yet to find out.

...

-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
Vance Haemmerle           Tucson, Arizona      vance%toyvax@arizona.edu

LUTAN!        "Sex, Drugs and Rock-n-Roll!" - Woodstock 1969     LUTAN!
LUTAN!  "alt.sex, alt.drugs and alt.rock-n-roll!" - Usenet 1992  LUTAN!
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: rakowski@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Dakimh)
Subject: AAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:44:28 GMT

How flipping DEPRESSING... Perot lost.. *sigh* Even worse.. Clinton won..
(well, at least Bush lost too.)  Why do I get the funny feeling that
MANY people will be reading this newsgroup now?  
-Dave
(and why do I get the feeling I'm gonna be flamed to hell?)
*8^)
From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Thanks Go To the Ranters
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:34:14 GMT
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos


	Oh Joy!!!  Pseudo-Christ/Brady is leaving!!!!

 	Time to break out the champane and party (at WPI)!!! 

	;)

	AMW


-- 

Angela M. Watson / awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu /       [.sig under] 
Psycho Kitten   / zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    /       [construction] 
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: *thunk*thunk*thunk*
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos 
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 10:57:57 GMT


	*munch*munch*munch*

	...just my previous post (earlier today) getting eaten...


	...just as well, esp. since it was about my guilt over breaking
up with my SO of 3 years (officially calling it quits).

	  
	>distant< *bing*bong*bing*bong*

	...just wedding bells chiming in the distant future...

	...since I'm now engaged to the same SO I broke up with hours
		before...

	(a very tired) Psycho Kitten

	
-- 

Psycho Kitten   \ zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    \ See me at pecan \ Can I buy a  
Angela M. Watson \ awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu \ for more info   \ clue please?
From: U56503@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: a.s.?holiday?
Date: 10 Nov 92 04:49:10 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <1992Nov9.202156.789@panix.com>, rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers)
says:

MHO:

Wait until Thanksgiving/Christmas and see.  Suicide ideation/rates usually jump
because of the idealized expectation for the major holidays that no
family can of course deliver on.  People's feelings of aloneness
often increase around this time if they cannot be with family or if their
family is not meeting their needs in that "perfect" "It's A Wonderful Life"
fashion.

The hotlines go nuclear at Christmas. . . .
So do some people.   Dec. 31st is a real low point as is the whole
next month of January, particularly in the northern states where the
light levels are at their worst.

Brady

>Why is it alt.sucide._holiday_?  Besides making it "ash"- a nice tla.
>
>--
>rpowers@panix.com                .sig file...             ...just a .sig file.

=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~Brady Woodward PhD=~=~U56503@UICVM=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=
  SATAN to NEW-COMER: The trouble with you Chicago people is that you
  think that you are the best people down here, whereas you are merely
  the most mumerous. --Mark Twain  (All other thoughts are mine alone.)
=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: Re: Methods question
Summary: still dazed but yapping anyway 
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos 
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 12:31:17 GMT

In article <todd.721120675@csrnxt1.ae.utexas.edu> todd@csrnxt1.ae.utexas.edu (Todd W. Thompson) writes:
>This is kind of a theoretical thing for me right now, so please, lurkers,
>no calls to the Rice Campus Police, or, worse, the Rice Campus Crusade for
>Christ (God forbid). Anyways, from what height would one need to jump to
>be relatively certain of death?

	Come now, you'll have to be more specific than that...

	I've always been rather fond of high sheer cliffs myself, but 
if you're afraid of heights you might not like that.  Of course, the
height would be altered if you intended to land on something other than
soild ground (like a large grid of 5 ft pungee sticks). 

	And then you could find out the hard way that you're one of 
those miraculous survivors (like the ones that just break most of the
bones in their body in skydiving accidents instead of dying).  Personally,
I think driving off a high cliff in a death trap (like a Pinto) would
work rather nicely.                   

	I seem to recall 11 stories as a good height to jump from (but
I'm still a little dazed, so I might be mistaken).  Guess I'll post the
methods file (US version) tonight...

	
			Psycho Kitten


>
>Thanks.
>Todd
>--
>toddt@owlnet.rice.edu
>Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.

-- 

Psycho Kitten   \ zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    \ See me at pecan \ Can I buy a  
Angela M. Watson \ awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu \ for more info   \ clue please?
From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Longing for the land of long grass...
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:16:43 GMT
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos


	Just a quick note before I retreat for the night...

	Many thanks for all the selfishness that people have been showing
(towards me) in email recently.  While people have been asking me not
'to do anything drastic' (*giggle* God, what a euphamistic way to say what
people actually say...), they have been giving the proper reasons for it (IMO).
[for their own personal desires, not anything based on me or what I 
might be feeling]

	At this point, it'd be kinda silly to not at least wait till my
21th birthday... although, what I do that day and after is still being
decided.  

	Oh, I'll try and have a friend take some photos of me sometime...
maybe then I can actually send them out to all the people who are so 
curious about what I look like.

	My editor is acting up... so please mail me before trying to 
'talk' (since my screen can't seem to figure out what size it should be).

	Tonight I'll be wrapped up in _Mostly_Harmless_ (the 5th book in
the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy trilogy)... and tomorrow I'll
be getting 'Lemmings' for my Mac -- I'll be busy killing _lots_ of little
electronic critters to cheer myself up.  I'm not ignoring my email... I
just am not up to answering it tonight.

	TTFN
	ang

	Psycho Kitten
.



-- 

Angela M. Watson / awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu /       [.sig under] 
Psycho Kitten   / zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    /       [construction]
From: U56503@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: REPOST: Winter Depression and Light Sources?
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:01:36 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <BxJGvI.2xD@unccsun.uncc.edu>, tjones@orville.psu.edu (Brain Drain)
says:

>it should also be pointed out, that the typical expense of one of said lights
>is usually in the $500+ range.  it is therefore a good idea to consult with a

The one I got from Medic Light was about $250.  The flourescent lights
from Vita Light were about $19 a piece for the 2 foot ones.  That was about
a year ago.  If you call them they will send you price lists.

>shrink to see whether you likely have seasonal affective disorder and whether
>such a light might help.  also, if the attending psychiatrist prescribes said
>lights, then, depending on the carrier, insurance might kick in for part of
>the purchase price.

Good ideas IMHO.

Brady
>--
>Thomas H Jones II                              "Hmm... that wasn`t at all whatI
>      aka.                                                  expected." --me
>        thj@csn.org or  tjones@orville.psu.edu or tjones@vivaldi.psu.edu
From: megazone@realsoon.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: David Conibear?
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:30:26 GMT
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
NNTP-Posting-Host: realsoon.wpi.edu

In article <1992Nov11.155549.6677@shearson.com> jjozwiak@shearson.com writes:
>What? I have not read ash for some time now....can someone send me a copy of David
>Conibears note...was that the one where he simply stated how he was going to do it?

I guess it bears reposting....

Article: 4541 of alt.suicide.holiday
From: conibear@sol.carleton.ca (Dave Conibear)
Subject: Here we go...
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:19:19 GMT

Hey, fellow ASHers!  Listen up, because this is the closest thing to
A Note that I'm going to write.

After a lot of research and a lot more thought, I've gone with the KCN
dissolved in cold water.  I'm not quite sure about the volume of 1.5g
of KCN, so I'm erring on the high side.  Yes, I know I'm subject to
"throat irritation" if I do that... sometimes, ya just gotta live on
the edge.  :)

I'm expecting unconsciousness after about 1 minute.  I've skipped all
meals for the past 24 hours to make sure I've got a nice acidic
stomach (HCl + KCN -> KCl + HCN(g), I hope), and when my stomach
started rumbling embarrassingly, I quaffed a grapefruit juice (most
acidic thing I could think of offhand).

I'll be going with the "plastic bag and rubber band" backup system...
a nice big garbage bag, so I won't be uncomfortable for that minute of
consciousness.

The computer is programmed to wait 36 hours and then phone 911, to
prevent any of my friends discovering the body.  This news message is
also on a delay timer, just in case there are any closet
interventionists lurking.

If this DOESN'T work, I'll try to get someone to post that tidbit to
a.s.h. so none of you ends up making the same mistake.

Oh, a final note... in case the group gets any flak about this, let it
be known that a.s.h. was not a promoting cause in my suicide.  Had it
not been for this group, my best plan to date was to get pissed drunk
and dive off the roof of my apartment building (yes, I have a key).  I
think this is cleaner all 'round.

Have a nice life!

Dave
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: *thunk*thunk*thunk*
Organization: The Pit of Despair 
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:43:24 GMT


	...just me banging against the sides of the hole I've dug for myself.


	...just waiting for the rumble of an avalance, for the light
		is so far away...

	
	Psycho Kitten

	(T-minus one week and counting...)
-- 

Angela M. Watson / awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu /       [.sig under] 
Psycho Kitten   / zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    /       [construction]
From: U56503@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: This Khare thread
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:36:40 GMT
 <1689BA93A.EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu> <92315.181742U56503@uicvm.uic.edu>
 <1992Nov11.060407.17550@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <1992Nov11.060407.17550@beaver.cs.washington.edu>,
boesch@cs.washington.edu (Eric Boesch) says:


Thanks for that polemical post!

I, for one, will sleep easier tonight knowing that critical
thinking is under your expert care...

Whew!

Brady
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: drw@taylor.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley)
Subject: Re: Trepanning
Organization: MIT Dept. of Tetrapilotomy, Cambridge, MA, USA
	<10641@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> <1992Oct22.011425.5303@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
	<zlsiida.297@fs1.mcc.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:15:42 GMT

Although trepan holes slowly heal shut, even those ~1 inch in size.
That's how the anthropologists can tell that ancient trepan patients
survived many years after their operations.

Dale
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Pheonix 14)
Subject: Re: *thunk*thunk*thunk*
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:48:14 GMT

vance@lpl.arizona.edu (Vance Haemmerle ) writes:

>In article <1992Nov5.205223.22884@udel.edu> awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes:
>>
>>	**THUNK****THUNK****THUNK****THUNK****THUNK****THUNK****THUNK**
>>
>>	SOMEONE HIT ME OVER THE HEAD WITH A 2x4 PLEASE!!!!
>>
>   *BONK*

>   Feel better now? :)

>   Now it's my turn.
>   Hit me!

   Ooooooh!  Can i play?  Here...}}THONK{{
  
euclid
--
Phoenix (straight from the a.s.h.es!), euclid@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (preferred)
standard disclaimers apply
The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a 
Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven --John Milton "Paradise Lost"
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown)
Subject: Re: We gotta wear masks (was Re: Here we go...)
Organization: Oak Road Systems, Cleveland Ohio USA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 23:53:20 GMT


In article <1992Nov2.185958.16120@pixel.kodak.com> sloey@kodak.com (Jim Sloey) writes:
>
>In article <BwwAqI.MEz@NCoast.ORG> brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown) writes:
>> Some of my friends know me better than others.  I am concerned, like
>> you, not to give them more than they can handle because I would rather
>> have their limited friendship than none at all.  But if I didn't have
>> one or two friends that I felt I could say anything to, I'd burst from
>> the pressure.
>
>I don't know how you cultivated even one friend like that, or maybe for
>whatever reason I won't let myself know how to have that deep of a friendship
>(see painted corner) or maybe I'm just using the wrong brand of toothpaste :-(

Part of it is, I think, good fortune; part is the cliches like being
able to listen much of the time and not being judgmental.  I've had to 
develop those qualities.  Though I'm not yet where I want to be with 
them, they are something that can be improved with practice, in my 
experience.

(I think, BTW, that we _all_ have good qualities, attractive qualities, 
that those around us can see and we can't see in ourselves.  Of course,
many of us are also blind to our faults too.)

But I know, being honest, that what helps a tremendous amount is some
sort of distance. I find it possible to be pretty close with some
special friends who are far away.  We talk on the phone a lot; I visit
them or they visit me once or twice a year or so; but still we don't see
each other every week, and that distance I think makes the intensity of
contact bearable by reducing its frequency.

I wish I had it in me to have a really intimate relationship on a
full-time basis, but more and more I am coming to the unhappy conclusion
that I don't.
-- 
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems                      brown@Ncoast.ORG
Cleveland, Ohio, USA
"What's a question that contains the word 'cantaloupe' for no apparent reason?"
-- 
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems                      brown@Ncoast.ORG
Cleveland, Ohio, USA
"What's a question that contains the word 'cantaloupe' for no apparent reason?"
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: wkinman@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Warren Michael Kinman)
Subject: Re: HMMMMMM????!!!
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 01:06:12 GMT

In article <zlsiida.370@fs1.mcc.ac.uk>, zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:
>fun??  This is a.s.h. - we don't have fun, we bash our heads against walls, 
>or cut 31 parallel lines into our forearms.  This is the group for people 
>who were in the locked garage with the engine running when they noticed a 
>large airgap at the top of the door and gave up in case it didn't work 
>properly and they ended up a live cabbage instaed of a dead person.  this is 
>the group for people whose gardens contain ONLY poisonous plants.  this is 
>the group for people who don't get their brakes fixed because, hey, not 
>knowing whether you're gonna make that trip in one piece is the best high we 
>know.

In response to Dave's response.  I don't know if this will be long or not,
so just bear with me, hey.

I subscribed to this group for a number of culminating reasons.

I happened to be looking through the newsgroups one day, for  groups to sub-
scribe to, and this was one that I came across.  I guess I wanted to know WHY,
WHAT, WHERE, HOW etc about the kind of people that would support a group about
suicide.  Also, it was time when a young kid of the acquaintance of the guy who
runs our Coffee Shop, hung himself in the local park.

SidePoint: The "Coffee Shop" is just that.  We give out free tea,coffee and miloto the "street kids" and anybody else who wants it.  Also we give our ears and 
time to them.  In case you're wondering, yes we are a Christian-based group, but
I wouldn't like to get involved in any theological or ?religious? debates here,
I can go to my christian.society ng for that.  

This guys death did not effect me that much, as I wasn't as involved with him,
as some of the others were, but I also lead a teen-group, and I have an 
intelligent, pretty, and wise young girl in that group.  She turns 14 in a few
weeks.  Well, I was talking about suicide a bit to the group, as a result of 
this guy, and she started to cry, and I assume that it's because she is a sens-
itive girl.  Afterwards I talked to her, and she told me that she knew the guy, and several others in her school, and these others had started a following.  
They had bullets around there necks with there names engraved on them, in case
they wanted to 'check-out' .

This girl felt useless, and she felt like a loser.  I was angry at that point, 
that because of one guy's decision, he was affecting this girl this way.  But
then, I realized that suicide never affects just one person.  

I don't condemn or condone this group.  I find it informative in regards to 
feelings (Physco Kitten is very expressive), and attitudes.

I will keep lurking and may occassionally post, but I think that this group is 
a good idea.  Maybe if more people can talk, find friendship, then they won't
feel unwanted or useless.

IMHO.

Wazza.
From: sjb@unislc.uucp (Steven Backus)
Subject: Re: David Conibear?
Summary: dave's not here
Reply-To: backus@math.utah.edu
Organization: irc addicts incorporated
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:50:58 GMT
Keywords: beginnings endings

Fellow ashers,

  When I saw this post I immediately saved it.  I could see that if it turned
out to be real, Dave would long be remembered in this forum.

  Personally I have mixed feelings about his death.  In some ways I regard it
as couragous, in others cowardly.  Dave if you can see this post, we're
thinking about you, your spirit lives on in our minds.

---------------------
From uunet!uunet!mcsun!uknet!stl!bnrgate!nrcnet0!cunews!conibear Mon Oct  5 14:36:39 MDT 1992
Article 2806 of alt.suicide.holiday:
>From: conibear@sol.carleton.ca (Dave Conibear)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Here we go...
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:19:19 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

Hey, fellow ASHers!  Listen up, because this is the closest thing to
A Note that I'm going to write.

After a lot of research and a lot more thought, I've gone with the KCN
dissolved in cold water.  I'm not quite sure about the volume of 1.5g
of KCN, so I'm erring on the high side.  Yes, I know I'm subject to
"throat irritation" if I do that... sometimes, ya just gotta live on
the edge.  :)

I'm expecting unconsciousness after about 1 minute.  I've skipped all
meals for the past 24 hours to make sure I've got a nice acidic
stomach (HCl + KCN -> KCl + HCN(g), I hope), and when my stomach
started rumbling embarrassingly, I quaffed a grapefruit juice (most
acidic thing I could think of offhand).

I'll be going with the "plastic bag and rubber band" backup system...
a nice big garbage bag, so I won't be uncomfortable for that minute of
consciousness.

The computer is programmed to wait 36 hours and then phone 911, to
prevent any of my friends discovering the body.  This news message is
also on a delay timer, just in case there are any closet
interventionists lurking.

If this DOESN'T work, I'll try to get someone to post that tidbit to
a.s.h. so none of you ends up making the same mistake.

Oh, a final note... in case the group gets any flak about this, let it
be known that a.s.h. was not a promoting cause in my suicide.  Had it
not been for this group, my best plan to date was to get pissed drunk
and dive off the roof of my apartment building (yes, I have a key).  I
think this is cleaner all 'round.

Have a nice life!

Dave


Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: sloey@kodak.com (Jim Sloey)
Subject: Re: KHARE
Organization: dis organization
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 17:16:44 GMT

In article <BxKFAp.ED9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Pheonix
14) writes:
>   Hurm.  I always thought she chose "Kitten" due to her youth.  Also there's
>an interesting juxtaposition between the connotations of the word 'psycho' and
>the word 'kitten'....kittens being usually thought of as being such sweeeeet
>things (unless you happen to dislike 'em)....

Ahhh, but did you ever watch them at play? In a flash one will jump straight up
for no apparent reason, bounding off walls and the back of a chair, the top of
the curtains, shredding and tearing (without malice of course). 
They seem to try traveling in all directions at once....


<U56503@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>For example, I find your posts rather attention-getting and tedious, with
>and undertone of sexual provocation (Why Psycho *Kitten*?), 

As for sexual...a kitten seeks the warmth of a gentle touch, the sound of a
beating heart, a place of safety from a strange world. Some might interpret
that as sexual, for me it sounds more like someone looking for a comforting
hug.
Just because a kitten curls up in your lap does *not* mean the center of the
world is below your belt line...(analyze that)


Jim