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From: xxapollo@utagraph.uta.edu (Mr. Apollo Silva)
Subject: Re: DFW Get Together
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
Distribution: tx
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:23:41 GMT

joel@dseg.ti.com (Joel Quejada) writes:
: This post is to (hopefully) start the ball rolling in regard to planning
: the DFW Get-Together. In particular, I need to get suggestions/comments 
: from all those interested about "how" to do it, i.e., should we meet at
: a restaurant, get a Hotel meeting room, etc.
: 
: I have met with Dave Candelario (another DFW SCF-er) and we loosely
: discussed the idea of getting a Conference Room at one of the local Hotels,
: and having the food catered by Manila Mart, a Filipino restaurant in the
: area. I have no idea how much such an arrangement would cost. Does this 
: sound good to everyone? I would really like to hear your suggestions.
: 
 <<< rest of text deleted >>>

If time is not a concern, I suppose we can plan on meeting after work on a
Friday, or possibly Saturday.  I think a place accessible to most, if not 
all, DFW & Texas SCFers would suffice.  A restaurant with a large meeting
room might work...

I'm kinda flexible on the schedule, except of course when I have to stay
home and babysit my 15-month old while the wife goes to class.

What about a PICNIC?  There are several parks in the Metroplex that could
accomodate a big group.  Plus you can bring friends and family, etc... but
we need to make it soon 'cause the weather will get cooler in the next few
weeks.

Just my .02 centimos...
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: bernardo@erevax.bitnet (Marcelino Bernardo)
Subject: Re: PI,RP,RIP,ETC.
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering, Co.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:56:48 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.051412.16129@morrow.stanford.edu>,
GE.TEG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tito E. Gervacio) wrote:
> 
> 
> >From: bernardo@erevax.bitnet (Marcelino Bernardo)
> >Subject: Re: PI or RP (The Philippines)
> 
> 
> >Perhaps  you  might  understand  it  better  if  you  inform
> >yourself of the  history  of  the  struggle  for  Philippine
> >independence  during  the  Philippine-American  War in 1899.
> >Between 200,000 to a million (the exact number will never be
> >known since  the  US  military  intentionally  undercounted)
> >Filipinos   lost  their  lives  fighting  the  better  armed
> >American colonizers.
> 
> SURE, THE STRUGGLE OF OUR ANCESTORS NEED NOT BE FORGOTTEN.
> DOES HISTORICAL NAME REFERENCE DIMINISH THE SIGNIFICANCE OF
> THAT FIGHT?  OF COURSE, NOT.  SO LET'S HAVE THE OPTION TO USE
> EITHER PHILIPPINE ISLANDS OR REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES.
> 
> 

I think it does when the historical name in question is the same 
one used by the colonizers that they fought.

> >If the Republic of the Philippines wanted to be referred  to
> >as Philippine Islands, they would have put that on the seal.
> >There  is a big difference between a republic and a group of
> >islands.
> 
> IS IT REALLY REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES, OR REPUBLIKA NG
> (HERE IS THIS NANG THINGY) PILIPINAS?
> 

Republika ng Pilipinas translates to Republic of the Philippines.
(Is it "ng" or "nang"?  Nakalimutan ko na!

> >IMHO, the continuing use  of  the  name  Philippine  Islands
> >(note  the  capital I), the name used by American colonizers
> >during and after the Philippine-American war,  to  refer  to
> >the   Philippines   almost   50   years   after   it  gained
> >independence, reflects either ignorance of  the  history  of
> >the Philippines, or contempt for its independence.
> 
> WOULD REFERENCE TO PHILIPPINE ISLANDS REALLY ELICIT DEEP
> CONTEMPT TO AMERICAN (U.S.) COLONIALISM?  I THINK ALL OF
> US ARE GUILTY OF IGNORANCE BY SHEDDING OFF HISTORICAL
> EVENTS AND THEIR FOOTPRINTS IN OUR SOCIETY.  AND ARE WE
> REALLY INDEPENDENT, TODAY? MAYBE WE'LL JUST CALL OUR
> NATIVELAND 'THE PHILIPPINES'.
> 
> 

What I said was the other way around:  The use of PI shows contempt for
Philippine independence.  Yes, the Filipino people suffer from a lack of
knowledge about their own history.  But, you can't blame the Filipino's for
being victims of the Spanish and American colonizers.  Both taught us to be
ashamed of our own culture.  The American government modified our history
to fit their imperialistic desires and pacify the Filipino people.

The question of whether we are really independent is a hard one.  The
Philippines is still under heavy US influence.  The closing of the bases is
a good start in the right direction.  Yes, we do call our country 'the
Philippines' today.

Marcelino Bernardo
bernardo@erevax.bitnet
* Just my own personal opinions *
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: rgdelav@pbhye.PacBell.COM (Butch DeLaVega)
Subject: Re: Lea Salonga
Reply-To: rgdelav@PacBell.COM (Butch DeLaVega)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:52:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.135707.6423@news.cs.brandeis.edu> afalla@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.184403.27753@pbhye.PacBell.COM>, rgdelav@pbhye.PacBell.COM (Butch DeLaVega) writes:
>>My wife and I went to see the concert at the San Francisco Civic Auditorium
>>last Saturday.  We arrived at about 7:25 pm ( the concert was supposed to
>>start at 7:45).  There was a line outside and it took us about 15 - 20 mins
>>to get inside.  The first thing I noticed was that there were about 3 
>>food stalls at the lobby serving siopao, halo-halo, pansit, b-b-q, etc.
>
>Were they allowed to bring the food into the auditorium?
Yes.  One thing that I also noticed was that as soon as the lights were
turned off to start the show, a couple of people moved up to the front
seats that were vacant.  
>
>Antoine????  There are only three major female roles in Les Miserables,
>
My mistake.  You're right she will be playing the role of Eponine.
From: woonsun@blitzen.uucp (25853-belen)
Subject: Re: Angeles City - Clark Air Base
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 23:56:27 GMT
Summary: KEITH GARRAND IS FEELING A LITTLE LONELY



In article <137@cnmhnet.UUCP>, keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) writes:
> In article <Oct02.221524.69480@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler) writes:
> >Is there anybody out there who spent time at Clark recently.?  Any wild stories you want to tell me?
> >Now that the base is closed , where will all the little "honeycoes" go?
> 
> Hey, if there are any wild stories, and I am sure there are,
> please post them to the net.  I'm sure I am not the only one
> who is interested in hearing stories about life around not
> only Clark, but around Subic Bay Naval Base.
> --Keith
> 


Feeling lonely, eh?


Keith, you perverted twit, your virtuous idol lurks in the rockies
and goes by the name Mitchell kotler. Go seek his wisdom elsewhere,
no one here is interested in reading about your voracious appetite
for cheap sex!

Take a cold shower you miserable, little ___________! 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Re: Lea Salonga
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:03:13 GMT


Also, check the CD racks for a new release (forgot the label). It is the
soundtrack for "The King and I" starring Ben Kingsley and Julie Andrews,
featuring Lea, Peabo Bryson, and Marilyn Horne. Tempted to purchase it
in the store when I saw it, but I was in Rose Records, and it was pegged
at $12.99. I'll wait.

Hey, at least this subject is a bit more interesting than hammering
away on the bases issue. I'm pretty depressed as it is. I'll explain
later.

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--Stan Macasieb (stanm@comm.mot.com)              |  1992 Election Ballot
--Motorola, Land Mobile Products Sector           |  
--Schaumburg, IL (just another suburb of Chicago) |  For President-
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~~The opinion expressed in this post is not       |  ___ George Bush (GOP)
~~necessarily those of this corporation.          |  ___ Bill Clinton (Dem)
~~Copyright 1992, all rights reserved.            |  ___ H Ross Perot (Weenie)
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From: m-muyot@uiuc.edu (Maria Muyot)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Help: How to cook sago?
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:15:34 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, University of Illinois

Naiba naman ang usapan, balik tayo sa isa sa mga paboritong topics: FOOD!

Please, can anyone out there help me with my dilemna? I wish to eat
halo-halo
and everything is ready except for sago. I have a bag of uncooked tapioca
pearls (little white round thingies), which I believe to be sago. 
Is this right? The bag says that it's
from Thailand, but it has no cooking instructions. So I tried soaking it
first in warm water, then boiling it, but it turned into one big, pasty
mess.
So it ended up thickening gravy instead, which it did, real well.

I will try boiling it without soaking, and see what happens. Other than
that,
I have no clue.

Salamat,

Maria Muyot
m-muyot@uiuc.edu
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PEPPIER (pehp ee ay') n. The waiter at a fancy restaurant whose sole
purpose 
seems to be walking around asking diners if they want ground pepper.
From:  ( )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: 5 Soldiers Killed
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:41:35 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino

MANILA, Philipines (UPI) -- Communist guerrillas killed five soldiers
in an ambush in the southern Philippines, a military report said
Wednesday.
	Police, meanwhile, raided several houses in the capital Wednesday and
arrested 23 suspected guerrillas, one of whom was believed involved in
the 1989 ambush-slaying of U.S. Army Col. James Rowe.
	Rowe, a decorated hero of the Vietnam War, was among 10 Americans
killed since 1987 by the rebels, who have accused Washington of aiding
Manila in its anti-insurgency drive.
	The military said the Philippine troops were traveling along a
highway in a jeep Monday in Upi, Maguindanao province, 550 miles south
of Manila, when they were fired upon by some 30 rebels of the communist
New People's Army. No rebel casualties were reported.
	Government and communist negotiators agreed last month to hold formal
peace negotiations to end the 23-year insurgency, but the process has
been stymied by a dispute on where to hold the talks.
	President Fidel Ramos insisted the talks be held in the Philippines.
He rejected rebel demands to hold the discussions in a third country,
saying the insurgency, spearheaded by the 13,000-member NPA, was an
internal problem.
	Also Wednesday, Ramos dropped his proposal for Congress to make
rebellion a ``heinous crime'' punishable by death.
	His move came amid criticism that making rebellion a capital offense
would conflict with his efforts to forge peace with left-wing
guerrillas, right-wing insurgents and Muslim separatists in the south.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: bernardo@erevax.bitnet (Marcelino Bernardo)
Subject: Re: Clark AB and Captain Jim Kirk
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering, Co.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:08:03 GMT

In article <Oct06.212230.12183@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, you wrote:
> 
> 
> Listen, American didn't create the bar scene around the American bases. Maybe we the G.I.s
> are wrong for screwing around but remember, if the P.I. didn't want these nightclubs and
> these bargirls infesting their country , they would've outlawed.  Did you know that dancing
> topless is illegal in Angeles?  If they made that illegal, why didn't they just outlaw
> the whole damn prostitution scene! Why?  Because they need our money and the girls need a
> way out of the Philippines.  Blame the Philippine government for allowing this to go on!
> 

First of all, Please stop referring to the Republic of the Philippines as
P.I. 
This is not the preferred name by the Philippine goverment or it's people.

Yes the GI's are wrong.  And do you really think that any local goverment
in Angeles could enforce the laws on prostitution?  Think again.  The
policemen and politicians make more money from the pay-offs (lagay) than
their paycheck.  Who do you think would enforce such laws and end up
risking their lives.  Yes I blame the Philippine government, but I blame
the US government more who was in a better position to control the
situation and did nothing.

Yes, the Philippines need the money.  But, this is not the kind of money it
needs.  This kind of money exploits and robs the people of it's dignity. 
The women (I hope you're not really talking about girls) don't need this
way out of the Philippines.  They don't really need a way out:  They need a
better life!


Marcelino Bernardo
bernardo@erevax.bitnet
*These opinions are my own*
From: conrad@Ingres.COM (Conrad Landicho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: this is a test...please ignore...thank you
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:10:40 GMT
Reply-To: conrad@Ingres.COM ()
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501


ito'y isang pagsubok...pakiusap huwag pansinin...salamat 


Conrad
From: aimee@wpd.sgi.com (Aimee Manosa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: PI,RP,RIP,ETC.
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:35:18 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Oct14.051412.16129@morrow.stanford.edu>, GE.TEG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tito E. Gervacio) writes:

|> SURE, THE STRUGGLE OF OUR ANCESTORS NEED NOT BE FORGOTTEN.
|> DOES HISTORICAL NAME REFERENCE DIMINISH THE SIGNIFICANCE OF
|> THAT FIGHT?  OF COURSE, NOT.  SO LET'S HAVE THE OPTION TO USE
|> EITHER PHILIPPINE ISLANDS OR REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES.

BLAH...BLAH...BLAH...

|> 
|> I THINK I'LL SLEEP ON THIS ISSUE.
|> 
|>                                            -TEG


no need to yell...relax lang...lower case is cool...!  ;-)

-- 
        ~
Aimee Manosa		aimee@wpd.sgi.com
			Silicon Graphics, Inc
From: 6domingo_a@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Pagsubok
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:29:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: spcvxb.1992Oct16.112918.4141
Organization: St. Peter's College, US




THIS IS JUST A TEST.  (my first posting)

CORNY JOKE:  Ano ang tawag sa bansang hindi akin 
       at hindi sa iyo?
ANS:   KENYA

SORRY!  Just testing this thing out.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 10 Oct 1992 22:24:53 CDT
From: <U27876@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject:    Lua-"runt" GODFREY

To all the readers of SFC, I just want to warn everyone that there is a
blabbermouth, one, Rabbi Laurence Godrey, that know-it-all intellect.
 He's got this notion that just because he's a Jew and he's British he
 can go on other newsgroups (ours, Thais, Canadians, Singapore, France, and
probably other ones) and site all the negative aspects of that particular
culture, and do it on that culture's newsgroup on top of that.   So every-
 one, don't be surprised if you see this guy's name on this newsgroup
 criticizing the Philippines.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: noelg@crash.cts.com (Noel Gamboa)
Subject: Re: Clark AB and Captain Jim Kirk
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:43:17 PDT

Mitch, I think you're confusing morality with legality.  Just because
the bars were legal made it morally ok?  Well, until several decades
ago, slavery was legal in the US.  Was it ok to have slaves?

Noel Gamboa
(egamboa@ucsd.edu)
From: jskirk01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Clark AB and Captain Jim Kirk
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:17:16 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <bernardo-071092111347@126.10.4.41>, bernardo@erevax.bitnet 
(Marcelino Bernardo) writes:
> In article <Oct06.212230.12183@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, you wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Listen, American didn't create the bar scene around the American bases. 

Please -- I beg you -- take my name out of the subject line if you're
going to quote Mitch Kotler!  He's at Colorado State.  I'm at the University of
Louisville.  He wrote the remarks about the Philippines which many found
offensive.  I objected to them.  Filipino friends jokingly tell me that 
"Anglos" all look alike -- but we don't think alike!  
				Maraming salamat,
				   Jim Kirk

Please, Scotty, beam my name out of here!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: candel@crchh572.bnr.ca (Dave Candelario)
Subject: Re: Ching Muyot 
Reply-To: candel@crchh572.bnr.ca (Dave Candelario)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 14:03:08 GMT


Ching,

     Point well taken.  Growing up there as a military dependent, we learned 
to call the Philippines the P.I. as just a matter of course.  I have never given
it any thought, based on my perspective.  I apologize for any painful memories
that may have been kicked off by my ignorance.  My favorite term for it was
.....home.  Sorry if I've offended anyone from my adopted country...


Regards,

Dave
From: lagman@CS.ColoState.EDU (annette)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Help: How to cook sago?
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:58:40 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University


	I've never had any luck with cooking sago, at least not
	with the bigger (pea sized) kind.  Like you said, if you 
	soak it then boil it, it disolves.  If you don't soak it,
	the insides don't get cooked.  I love sago, and this 
	really frustrates me.

	On the other hand, the small (monggo sized) tapioca cooks
	okay.  We often make "tapioca pudding", which is kinda
	like ginataan with sago only.  Boil the sago in coconut
	milk with water added and some sugar, then when the sago 
	is cooked add a can of creamed corn.  I guess if you add
	kamote instead it becomes "alpahol".

	Oh well, I know this doesn't help much, but good luck with
	the sago.  BTW, what did you put in your halo-halo?  One
	more thing, I tried your morcon recipe once and my friends
	loved it.

	annette
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: GE.TEG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tito E. Gervacio)
Subject: PI,RP,RIP,ETC.
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:14:12 GMT


>From: bernardo@erevax.bitnet (Marcelino Bernardo)
>Subject: Re: PI or RP (The Philippines)


>Perhaps  you  might  understand  it  better  if  you  inform
>yourself of the  history  of  the  struggle  for  Philippine
>independence  during  the  Philippine-American  War in 1899.
>Between 200,000 to a million (the exact number will never be
>known since  the  US  military  intentionally  undercounted)
>Filipinos   lost  their  lives  fighting  the  better  armed
>American colonizers.

SURE, THE STRUGGLE OF OUR ANCESTORS NEED NOT BE FORGOTTEN.
DOES HISTORICAL NAME REFERENCE DIMINISH THE SIGNIFICANCE OF
THAT FIGHT?  OF COURSE, NOT.  SO LET'S HAVE THE OPTION TO USE
EITHER PHILIPPINE ISLANDS OR REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES.


>If the Republic of the Philippines wanted to be referred  to
>as Philippine Islands, they would have put that on the seal.
>There  is a big difference between a republic and a group of
>islands.

IS IT REALLY REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES, OR REPUBLIKA NG
(HERE IS THIS NANG THINGY) PILIPINAS?

>IMHO, the continuing use  of  the  name  Philippine  Islands
>(note  the  capital I), the name used by American colonizers
>during and after the Philippine-American war,  to  refer  to
>the   Philippines   almost   50   years   after   it  gained
>independence, reflects either ignorance of  the  history  of
>the Philippines, or contempt for its independence.

WOULD REFERENCE TO PHILIPPINE ISLANDS REALLY ELICIT DEEP
CONTEMPT TO AMERICAN (U.S.) COLONIALISM?  I THINK ALL OF
US ARE GUILTY OF IGNORANCE BY SHEDDING OFF HISTORICAL
EVENTS AND THEIR FOOTPRINTS IN OUR SOCIETY.  AND ARE WE
REALLY INDEPENDENT, TODAY? MAYBE WE'LL JUST CALL OUR
NATIVELAND 'THE PHILIPPINES'.


>Marcelino Bernardo
>bernardo@erevax.bitnet
>*These are my personal opinions*

I THINK I'LL SLEEP ON THIS ISSUE.

                                           -TEG
From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Troops Sent to Zamboanga
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:51:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: microlab.-131092165131
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	ZAMBOANGA, Philippines (UPI) -- About 1,500 heavily armed troops
patrolled this southern city Monday as its Roman Catholic majority
marked a religious festival amid fresh threats of attack by suspected
Muslim radicals.
	Authorities said a procession celebrating the feast of the Lady of
Pilar, Zamboanga's patron saint, was tense but peaceful in the city 500
miles south of Manila.
	Rustico Verela, a city official, said the estimated 10,000-person
crowd was the smallest at the celebration in years. ``You really cannot
compare this to last year when we had about 100,000 people here,'' he
said.
	Verela said fear of worsening tensions between the Catholic majority
and Muslim minority in the city kept many people away.
	At least 14 people have been killed in Zamboanga in bomb attacks and
assassinations by a group of suspected Muslim radicals so far this year.
	Some attacks have been tied to efforts by Christian missionaries to
convert Muslims. Police say no reason has been given for other attacks.
	Four people were killed and 17 others injured in the latest incident,
an Oct. 2 grenade attack near a crowded public market.
	``The police haven't made an arrests at all and there doesn't seem to
be any progress in their investigations,'' one woman attending Monday's
celebration said of the grenade attack. ``We are receiving new threats
left and right, but people are still going about their business. What
else can we do?''
	Police spokesman Col. Dionseio Coloma said some 1,500 heavily armed
troops, backed by several armored personnel carriers, patrolled downtown
Zamboanga during Monday's festival.
From: rss19@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Richard S Sucgang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Try Puerto Gallera
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:47:04 GMT
Reply-To: rss19@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Richard S Sucgang)
Organization: Columbia University

Hey all! I just got back from the Philippines.
To all the Bay Area folk, sorry that we did not manage to connect.
Sa susunod? :)

Anyway, I went to Puerto Galera for the first time in this trip, and I
recommend it highly to everyone who is going home for a visit, to stay or
for those who are contemplating visiting the Phils. It is not too
expensive (P400/head), and a whole day of cultural fun. A rather run down
but well stocked museum starts off the visit to the resort, then a carabao
ride (complete with kundiman singers in the back seat) to the swimming and
dining areas. They regularly have a well performed cultural show,
highlighting the native music and dances of the Philippines, including a
stunning rendition of singkil. Dining is included with the ticket price,
with a buffet in the river. In - as in the water courses through your
toes. Food is good, although a vegetarian (my mother) would have a hell of
a time finding stuff to eat.

Anyway, hope someone has had a similar experience. Care to share some good
spots not to miss in the Phils?

-rich
richard sucgang
rs54@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
Richard Sucgang -- rs54@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
                   sucgang@cuhhca.hhmi.columbia.edu
"I was ten, I was blue, but I knew!" - A. Menken, Weird Romance