From: franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin)
Subject: Re: THE IMPLICATIONS OF ABORTION ON OUR SOCIETYdir
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 17:05:46 GMT

In <17715@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) writes:

>In talk.abortion, franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) writes:
>>In <1992Apr7.062635.4717@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> rfischer@Xenon.Stanford.EDU

>And yours are deep, philosophical ones based on much introspection?
>Most of these 'liberal and superficial ideals' were arrived at by
>thoughtful consideration and (probably) much agony. Yours, however,
>are brainwashed into you by the church (note that all your counterpoints
>include 'the church says' 'the church holds' 'the church believes' or
>something similar about catholics). As Ray said, why don't you use what
>your god gave you and think for a change? I know I question what I believe
>quite a bit, and when an arguement comes along that makes sense, I carefully
>consider it and might change my views to accomodate it. It is extremely
>closed-minded and a sign of idiocy to say that you won't change your
>beliefs, no matter what.
   It's nice to know who I'm dealing with. You appear to me to be one
of those people who enjoys reinventing the wheel, often ending up
with a square in the end. Why would I doubt the words of scholars when
a) I can't find fault with their logic, b) it works, and c) their
cumalative knowledge is a hell of a lot more than mine. I do not FOLLOW
their logic, and I am not BRAINWASHED as you suggest, but I do seek 
guidance from their wisdom. Try it sometime...


>Steve, from now on, I'm not even going to waste my time with such a
>hopelessly brainwashed person. I don't believe you'd realize what a
>fact was if it smashed you in the face. Until you show some sign of
>reason in any arguement, besides the mindless, brainwashed counterpoints,
>adios
   Well, as Catholic as I am I have my weaknesses. If you smashed me in
the face, I would royally kick your butt. But, that's beside the point.
I can assure you that I am not brainwashed, but a sentient logical
being. I am presently in my honors studies of Physics, so I have been 
well exposed to a rational and analytical mentality. However,
even after seeing both sides of the story, as I do from this newsgroup,
I continue to choose LIFE. You will find no reason in my argument until I 
agree with you, which will never happen. Please don't try and phrase your
ignorance as a threat. If I dont' agree with you, prove my falicy. You know
what? You can't. Plain and simple, you will find no error in my reasoning,
because it all comes down to compreshension of morals and beliefs.
I see the fetus as valuable and human, you don't. I see abortion as a waste
which could be avoided, you don't. 
   Please don't assume that because I don't agree with you that I"m not
a straight A's student who is well versed in his science. You can have
faith in the supernatual even though you are taught to explain everything
through your scholastic studies. I rarely err in logic. Period. Perhaps
I state things that are incomprehensible to you. Perhaps I say things
that are unsubstantiated and my "religious logic" appears fuzzy to you.
Well, that's the difference between a Christian, and other religious
(or lack thereof) groups. We have a faith in somethign unexplainable,
knowing we have more to answer to than our 80 years on earth. 
   In any case, rather than argue the philosophical and intangible,
I will continue to plea (spiced with reason I dare say) to you to
spare the life of the unborn. For his/her sake, and for society's sake.
   steve
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