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From: suffridge@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Rick.Suffridge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: #1 Kentucky hits the road
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:16:19 GMT
Organization: NCR MCPD Columbia SC.

jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
: In article <8491@news.duke.edu> rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA) writes:
: >In article <1ir712INNrem@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
: >>are the only unbeaten teams left.  UK faces 3 straight road games in the
: >>SEC: Vandy, Alabama, and South Carolina, then they entertain LSU at home.  I
: >>guess we'll know what the Cats are made of shortly!
: >
: ><Sarcasm On.>
: >
: >Boy, THOSE should be a couple of toughies.
: >
: ><Sarcasm Off.>
: >
: >- Rob Mac K
: 
: Anybody who thinks that it is "easy" to get a win over Vanderbilt or
: Alabama on their home courts knows too little about basketball to be
: allowed to post to this newsgroup.  Anyone who thinks it is "easy" for
: a team to play 3 consecutive conference games on the road doesn't 
: know anything about traveling.
: 
: Extra clue:  Vanderbilt is still #23 in the CNN/USA Today poll for this
: week.  Not exactly chopped liver.
: 

 Vandy is always a tough place to play - partly because of their wierd gym
 and also because they usually get some MAJOR homecourt officiating.  I
 remember two years ago against UK the free throws were something like
 51 for Vandy and 7 for UK.
-- 
Richard D. Suffridge   803-791-6491  <suffridge@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>                                  
From an AP report:  Gore ... asked voters skeptical of their promise of
change to remember that every communist government in Eastern Europe had
fallen in 100 days. "Now it's our turn here in the United States," he said.
From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Not an ACC or Big 10 Post!!!
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:25:02 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <1isfidINNacg@shelley.u.washington.edu> crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>Out of 118 articles when I logged in this morning, 96 were about either
>the ACC or the Big 10.  Four were about Kentucky (I expected more, to be
>honest...

OK, here's one more for Kentucky!  Go Big Blue!

Congratulations to the Cats for making it back to the #1 ranking for
the first time in a long time (in the CNN/USA Today poll - I haven't
seen AP yet although I imagine it will be the same).

UK now faces 3 conference road games in a row, at Vandy, at Alabama,
and at South Carolina.  The first two are traditionally tough places
for Kentucky to play - the Wildcats won in Nashville last year, but
they didn't have to play Bama at Tuscaloosa that year since the Tide 
is in the SEC West.

Don't know how long UK can hang onto the top ranking, but about 3 months 
would sure be nice.  See my signature...

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From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Re: Dean Smith (Re: UNC TARHEELS--1992/93
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date:  6 Jan 93 18:26:37 GMT

dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head) writes:

>>I have been an UNC fan since I was a kid growing up in North Carolina 
>>in 1960's.  I have watched UNC disintegrated so many times that I have 
>>lost count.  Too many times by big scores.  Real embarrassing.  And
>>too many times to underdog teams.
>>
>>I remember the year that UCLA had Lew Alcindor (during his sophomore
>>year) and UNC had Rusty Clark (a 6'11" center).  We UNC fans were excited 
>>about the possibility of UNC meeting UCLA in the NCAA playoffs that 
>>year. Guess what happened?  Of course, UNC disintegrated somewhere in 
>>the NCAA playoffs to an underdog team.  Brother!  And Dean Smith looked
>>befuddled on the sidelines.  What a heartbreaking experience.

>Could this have been the year that Florida State came out of nowhere to make
>it to the NCAA finals?  I know FSU played UCLA for the NC in (I think) 1971
>and lost by 5 points.  Did they go through UNC to get there?

First, a rebuttal of the original statement.  Unless,
  Somewhere in the playoffs == National Semifinals

Here's how UNC fared in the NCAAs in the late 60's [courtesy JCA].  
Sure looks pretty good to me...

1967 (Alcindor's sophomore year, I think):
Semis:        Dayton                     76 North Carolina             62
Semis:        UCLA                       73 Houston                    58
Third Place:  Houston                    84 North Carolina             62
Finals:       UCLA                       79 Dayton                     64

1968:
Semis:        North Carolina             80 Ohio State                 66
Semis:        UCLA                      101 Houston                    69
Third Place:  Ohio State                 89 Houston                    85
Finals:       UCLA                       78 North Carolina             55


1969:
Semis:        Purdue                     92 North Carolina             65
Semis:        UCLA                       85 Drake                      82
Third Place:  Drake                     104 North Carolina             84
Finals:       UCLA                       92 Purdue                     72

The year David Head is thinking about is 1972:
Semis:        Florida State              79 North Carolina             75
Semis:        UCLA                       96 Louisville                 77
Third Place:  North Carolina            105 Louisville                 91
Finals:       UCLA                       81 Florida State              76
--

Matthew Merzbacher	ARPA:	matthew@CS.UCLA.EDU
Moo - Moo Moo  		UUCP:	...!{uunet|rutgers|ucbvax}!cs.ucla.edu!matthew
               		This time, *with* the oys
From: dougs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Steele)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:34:20 GMT
Subject: Re: Team Standings and Stats
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Ruland's back (Was Re: BOXSCORE det27orl25.02jan93)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit MI  U.S.A.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:19:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.181554.9287@athena.mit.edu>
mittman1@athena.mit.edu (Christopher T Chiu) writes:
 
>Thomas McGuigan writes in his boxscore:
>>ruland,??          4   0   2   0  0   0  0   0  1   0  1  0  0  0  0  0  0    0
>^^^^^^^^^^
>In case you're wondering, that's JEFF Ruland, who was cut by
>the 76ers earlier this year and has now signed with the Pistons.
>Question is, how will his shaky body hold up?  Does anybody know
>his current injury status is?
 
Sorry if I don't know so much about his injury *history*, but he was
interviewed on TV briefly last night and he mentioned some past
injuries including being knocked out due to a "freak accident".
It sounded to me like he's had some hard luck.
 
He also said he felt alright and was taking his return to the NBA
"one day at a time". Ruland is filling the missing roster spot while
Olden Polynice recovers from a broken finger.
 
--Eric
From: aminkoff@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Tony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: *All Star Game 1993*
Date: 7 Jan 93 03:58:57 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1ifpn3INNpij@shelley.u.washington.edu>,
tt300zx@milton.u.washington.edu (twin turbo 300zx) writes:
>		east: michael jordan, patrick ewing, scottie pippen,
>		      shaq o'neal, mark price, reggie miller, 
>		      joe dumar, isiah thomas, reggie lewis, 
>		      kevin mchale(?), larry johnson(?),		      

Hmm.  Only 11 players.  I think I'd add Brad Daugherty.  (Well, why
*not* three centers?)  If he's healthy, that is.  And I think McHale
is a definite NOT.  (*Sigh.*  I wish he had retired with Bird.  I
hate to see him go out this way.)  So, if McHale goes, we can add
Dominique Wilkins.  (His thumb is supposed to be better by then,
right?)

>		west: karl malone, charles barkeley, chris mullen,
>		      tim hardaway, john stockton, clyde drexler,
>		      david robinson, hakeem olajuwan, james worthy(?),
>		      gary payton(?),

Only 10 players here.  And Worthy and Payton are definite NOTs, so
that leaves four spots.  Personally, I like Danny Manning, Dan
Majerle (yes, in spite of his dismal .452 FG%), Shawn Kemp, and,
Dikembe Mutombo.

Tony
From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Subject: I BEE-LEEVE!  Nellie is a JEE-NYOUS!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:20:19 GMT


The Spurs lost their first game under John Lucas on Dec. 28 at home against
the Golden State Warriors, a game which established once and for all the
True Genius of Don Nelson.  It wasn't just the way the Warriors made the
Spurs look like they had never seen a pick-and-roll before, especailly on
Chris Mullen's shot with 8 seconds left that won the game 106-105.  It
wasn't the way the Spurs were dominated on the boards for three quarters as
the Warriors held a 10-point lead throughout.  It wasn't the way the Spurs
ran out of time-outs at the end of the game and couldn't even get a decent
shot off despite plenty of time.  And it wasn't the way that David Robinson
received his customary mugging at the hands of a cast of various Warrior
stiffs.

No, all of things things, taken together, would make Nelson just another a
very good coach making Lucas look like a rookie.  Here is the move that
makes him the God of Coaching.  The Spurs finally took a 6-point lead
midway through the fourth quarter and Lucas, for God knows what reason,
decides to insert Larry Smith into the game for the first (*after* the
Spurs had finally pulled even in rebounding).  Golden State calls time-out
and Chris Mullen goes around to each official and whispers something.  The
next time San Antonio gets the ball, Mullen goes up and gently puts his arm
around Smith and gets whistled for the foul.  The Spurs are in the penalty
so Smith, a career 50% free-throw shooter, must go to the line.  The
Warriors do this every time the Spurs get the ball.

Get the picture?  The Warriors have been gooning it up all game long on
Robinson without calls, but when Don Nelson *wants* the refs to call fouls,
he simply tells them to blow the whistle every time they do this daintly
little dance with Larry Smith, and they go along with it. Meanwhile,
Robinson is *still* getting pounded on every play.  Unbelievable.  Only a
True Genius could get his little striped-shirt marionettes to perform so
perfectly.  Lucas is slow to react and Smith ends up shooting 5 of 12 from
the line before finally getting pulled from the game.  (In truth, the
Sopurs actually outscore the Warriors during this time, but their momentum
is irretrievably slowed, setting them up for the Warrior's comeback.)

This was absurd.  Nelson got to dictate when the refs would swallow their
whistles and when they would call touch fouls.  Meanwhile, Robinson misses
the next practice with a bruised thigh.  No wonder Nellie doesn't want
quality big men.  He wouldn't be able to get away with the stuff he does.

____________________________
	Jim Oliver  
	oliver@athena.mit.edu /	joliver@hstbme.mit.edu
	oliver%mitwccf.BITNET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
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Date: Fri,  8 Jan 93 11:36:23 MST
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: how bad is Dallas? (Was: BOX and NOTES: MN vs DAL 1/2/93)
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah
From: jhak@sofya.math.byu.edu (Justin Hakanson)

In article <1993Jan5.201148.22299@rti.rti.org> wgr@rti.rti.org writes:
>By the way, which team other than the Lakers has lost to Dallas this
>season?

Atlanta shares that rare, honorable title...  And isn't it kinda ironic
that Atlanta and the Lakers can both beat the league Champions twice
each, yet lose to the league's worst team (in history??)

Justin.
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From: creasman@cheshire.oxy.edu (Scott Michael Creasman)
Subject: Re: *All Star Game 1993*
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:05:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.014152.9606@muddcs.claremont.edu> byau@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ben Yau) writes:
>In article <1ifs4vINNrcv@news.aero.org> robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger) writes:
       [Other all-star stuff deleted]
>
>As for the guard, Payton might get the nod over Threatt.  This is a pretty
>tough choice here.  Payton has defnitely improved his shot and his drive to the
>hoop since last year.  A lot of the time I think he is more intense than 
>Threatt.  If I were to make the choice, I would probably choose Threatt though
>because he has always played at a very high level and is very consistent where
>Payton still sometimes has bad streaks.
>

What about Dan Majerle.  He did start the season awfully cold, but
he's been great since.  I wouldn't be surprised to see him on the
team.  Besides, they already have too point guards.

Scott
From: dolsen@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (David Olsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Paxson sucks (was Re: Phoenix is absolutely scary...)
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:22:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <C0ICIC.FFF@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, dmd39855@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel DuBois) writes...
>dolsen@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (David Olsen) writes:
> 
>>In article <1993Jan6.135101.2577@inland.com>, bloom@inland.com writes...
>>>In article <1993Jan4.233105.19178@ennews.eas.asu.edu>, koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann) writes:
>>>> 
>>>> So, what are we arguing about?  The rest of the Bulls (minus maybe Pippen)
>>>> are a bunch of average players.  End of discussion.  
>>> 
>>>What's the maybe about Pippen?  Chuck Daly has said that Jordan and 
>>>Pippen are 2 of the best 5 players in the NBA.  Other NBA coaches, 
>>>not with Chicago, have been quoted as saying they are #1 & #2 in the 
> 
>>That is the biggest crock I have ever heard.  I would take at least 10
>>players ahead of Pippen including Shaq, Ewing, Robinson, Daughtery, Malone,
>>Barkely, Stockton, Alujuwan (I know I butchered that one), Hardaway,
>>Drexler and KJ.  There is no way that any of the teams these guys play for
> 
>I dont know about those last three.

Well that was my opinion but the point still stands.  No way is Pippen no.
two in the league.  He's certainly not even a pimple on Robinson's kiester.


> 
>>would trade straight up for Pippen and Chicago would trade straight up for
>>most of these guys in a heartbeat.
> 
>KJ over Pippen?  Nah.  Hardaway over Pippen? Nah.  Drexler over Pippen?
>Maybe, but nah, Drex is too old.  Stockton?  Maybe.
> 
>And _NO WAY_ would I take Moses Malone over Pippen!  :)

Well you certainly biffed that one.   I thought it was obvious that I meant
Jeff Malone.   ;-)



> 
>-Dan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: Bulls without His Airness
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Organization: Arizona State University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:01:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.184647.1532@micom.com> jscott@micom.com (James Scott) writes:
>a friend of mine, who happens to be one of those rabid bull-type fans,
>and i were talking the other day along a similar line and he agreed with
>me that pippen's emergence is a direct result of playing next to mikey.
>had mj not been there for pippen, his game would in no way resemble what
>it is today.  note: this isn't intended as a slam on pippen.

I think it's Chicago's lack of a true point guard that allows Pippen to
show his stuff.  He has a completely different role than any other SF
in the league, which gives him a lot of opportunities - and he has the
stuff to take full advantage of it.  Of course, it doesn't hurt playing
next to Jordan.

>> And most consider Grant highly underrated.  One of the best offense
>> rebounders in the league ...  
>
>i find it interesting that grant is highly rated in O boards, but not in
>Total boards.  perhaps an overabundance of balls bouncing around on the
>bulls offensive end? ;-)

Actually, I think it's because he realizes he can overplay at the
offensive end, realizing Jordan et al can get back to cover him when the
other team rebounds the ball and wants to push it.  Plus, East teams
aren't known for their fast breaks meaning you don't pay as much for
cheating on the offensive glass.
--
Harry Koehnemann
enuxha.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: sikorski@oj.miami.edu (Richard Sikorski)
Subject: lal Lakers @ mia Heat- 28dec
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Organization: University of Miami, RSMAS
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 03:39:12 GMT

[I'm so tired of being behind, that I'm grabbing just a short
headline and mini-boxscore from the paper. I'll post more
detail later...]

(mia)Edwards' scoring, Long 's scoring and rbs, and Seikaly's
scoring and rbs led the Miami Heat to their 1st-ever victory
over the LA Lakers, 107-96. Miami rookie Harold Miner scored
18pts. (lal)Worthy led the Lakers scoring in their 3rd straight
loss.

LA LAKERS
          fga-m fta-m pts
Perkins    5 10  3  4 14,  7rbs
Worthy    12 19  2  2 26,  5 assists
Divac      1  5  2  2  4,  7rbs
Threatt    3  9  5  7 11,  5 assists, 4 steals
Peeler     3  5  4  5 10,  5 tos
Green      4  6  4  4 12
Scott      2  3  6  7 10
Edwards    1  4  1  2  3
Campbell   1  4  0  0  2
Smith      2  2  0  0  4
Cooper     0  0  0  0  0
Blackwell  0  0  0  0  0
          fga-m fta-m rbs  a pf s to pts
Totals    34 67 27 33  66 18 23 8 16 96

MIAMI HEAT
          fga-m fta-m pts
Long      10 12  1  1 21, 10rbs, 3 tos
Rice       3 11  0  0  6
Salley     4  6  0  1  8
Coles      2 12  2  2  6,  2 steals
Edwards    9 16  4  4 23,  5 assists
Seikaly    5 11  9 10 19, 11rbs
Burton     1  5  4  4  6
Miner      7 13  4  5 18
Askins     0  1  0  0  0
          fga-m fta-m rbs  a pf s to pts
Totals    41 87 24 27  86 20 25 7 13 107

LA Lakers  32 22 16 26  -96
Miami      14 31 25 37 -107

--
Richard Sikorski     sikorski@oj.miami.edu
                   r.sikorski@rsmas.miami.edu
From: n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu (brian h. harper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Pacers/Warriors trade RUMOR
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:04:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1993Jan11.190455.17970
Organization: Western Washington University

srubio@garnet.berkeley.edu (Steven Rubio) writes:

>The trade rumor as heard in the SF Bay Area is usually more like Owens for
>Detlef.  I suspect both sides hear what they want to hear ... we'd like
>Detlef, you'd like Owens without giving up Detlef.  Don Nelson is capable
>of anything, and he has been disappointed in Owens since Billy showed up
>for camp this season a bit out of shape ... but since it has been about 8
>zillion years since Nellie had a good big man, I think he can live a few
>years more, if getting that big man means he gives up a potential all-star
>like Owens for Rik Smits.  Owens might be traded; Marciulionis also gets
>mentioned a lot ... the Warriors *do* need a big man ... but they aren't
>gonna get just ANY big man, and it's unlikely that anyone is gonna trade
>Nelson a GOOD big man unless the Warriors cough up too much in return.

They could probably get Benjamin for very little. If Nelly really is the
genius he's cracked up to be, he should be able to get Ben to produce,
right? Seattle would probably let him go for a song at this point. Or at
least they should, in this Ben-basher's not-so-humble opinion.

-Brian Harper

>Steven
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From: koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: INSIDE SPORTS poll: best players by
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:40:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.224721.17359@unislc.uucp> gsd@unislc.uucp (Greg Dodd) writes:
>Harry states:
>
>>This looks more like a list of player names based on how visible they are.
>
>Nice try but your wrong! look at the list again and you will see that 
>Stockton is the top PG, and Malone is the top PF.
>
>You know that they play for the Jazz, who happen to have the NBA's smallest 
>franchise market. So your arguement about visablity does have any ground to
>stand on.

Then again - both were on the Olympic team, Stockton has led the league
in assists for years (up their in steals too) and Malone, well enough
said.  Both are very visable, especially for people that follow stats.

Rodman's #3 behind Barkley and Malone (3 times as many votes as Johnson
or Kemp)?!  Someone actually voted for Seikaly.  Lewis is the 3rd best
2 guard?!  Where's Nance, Kemp, Larry Johnson, Porter, Majerle, Threat,
Payton, even Strickland.  Maybe it's not visibility, maybe it's something
else - but that ranking is ugly.

>On the other hand the NBA must address these issues of getting the leagues
>best PF & PG increased exposure. It's a shame to know that the Jazz will
>only be on national TV 4 times all season.

That's better than Seattle - 2nd best teams in the NBA and how many times
are they on?  Meanwhile, we get way too much coverage of average teams
like Boston/Detriot/etc.  But hey, money talks.
--
Harry Koehnemann
enuxha.eas.asu.edu
From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: '93 All-Stars
Date: 7 Jan 1993 01:52:37 -0500
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
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Well, here's my "ideal" lineups for the all star teams next month:

East Starters: Dominique Wilkins, Larry Nance, Shaquille O'Neal, Mark Price
	       and Michael Jordan.
Bench: Patrick Ewing, Detlef Schrempf, Larry Johnson, Jeff Hornacek, Drazen
       Petrovic, Scottie Pippen and Rony Seikaly.

West Starters: Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Hakeem Olajuwon, John Stockton,
	       and Chris Mullin.
West Bench: David Robinson, Tim Hardaway, Danny Manning, Cliff Robinson,
	    Sedale Threatt, Shawn Kemp and Sean Elliott.

I think these are the guys who deserve it.  But who the fans vote for and
who the coaches get are always up for grabs.