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From: bill@ossi.com (Bill Kanawyer)
Subject: Re: Adding Machines, Slide Rule Wanted
Organization: Open Systems Solutions Inc.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:49:20 GMT

On the topic of old adding machines, has anyone seen this?

A friend of mine had one of these on his desk a number of years ago.
As I remember it, a small black cylinder with a crank handle
on top. (It's appearance is much like that of a pepper-grinder.)
Numbers were entered via sliders along the side of the cylinder with
the readout along the end with the crank. The crank had two positions
I think, one for addition and the other for subtraction. Size: hand held.
I think that they were made in the 1950-1960.

Questions:
 o What is it called? Who made it?
 o Do they appear on the antique market? Yes?
 o What is their value?

thanks,

Bill Kanawyer
Senior Software Engineer
Open Systems Solutions, Inc. - A member of the Fujitsu family
6121 Hollis St. Emeryville, Ca. 94608-2092
(510) 652-6200 x141 --- bill@ossi.com
-- 
Bill Kanawyer
Senior Software Engineer
Open Systems Solutions, Inc. - A member of the Fujitsu family
6121 Hollis St. Emeryville, Ca. 94608-2092
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
From: RZ5630@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Robert Norman)
Subject: Old Telephones
Organization: Motorola
Date: 21 Aug 1992 11:57:03 MST


I have recently purchased an old desk telephone made by Western
Electric for the Bell System. The telephone is one that was in general
useage from about 1929 to 1958 and is called a model 300. It was the
first telephone to have the "bells" inside of the telephone instead of
in a seperate box.
This purchase has sharpened my interest in older telephones and I would
like to know if there are any others in this group who share my interest
in collecting old telephones. I am anxious to add to my meager collection
as well as increasing my knowledge in this area. Any help, insight, or
information will be very much appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Bob Norman
(602)897-4508  --  work
(602)833-7786  --  home


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From: chaban@fortsc.enet.dec.com (Ed Chaban)
Subject: Re: Victrola Model VV-111
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 17 AUG 92 10:25:33 PST


In article <Bt4v6r.1uA@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, berger@atropa (Mike Berger) writes...
>chaban@fortsc.enet.dec.com (Ed Chaban) writes:

>>In mint condition, I'd say it would be worth $500.  Victrolas that are nearly
>>identical to the 110 could carry a higher price because they were manufactured
>>much earlier (A VV-XVI for example).  In general, collectors tend to gravitate
>>toward older machines.   
>*----
>This may be true - but if it doesn't look factory-new, and unless it is
>a very rare model, then the actual value (if intact and working) is
>more likely to be $ 75 - $ 100.  That's higher than I usually see
>them go for at auction (complete, restoreable).
>--
>	Mike Berger
>	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
>	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
>	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu

Boy, I'd love to go to one of the auctions you've been attending!  The price
I quoted was a typical San Francisco Bay Area Antique shop price!

-Ed

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From: roa@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Robert O. Anderson)
Subject: Plymouth Clock
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:41:19 GMT

I've got a small (6" high) clock.... a Plymouth. Does anyone have any
info......age, value, etc. I can provide more details if interested.
Yes, it runs.

Thanks

Bobby

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From: sundance@iies.ecn.purdue.edu (Richard L McIntyre)
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Re: Roosevelt pencil
Summary: Current catalog lists this at $20.00
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:23:31 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Aug11.033456.24797@unixland.natick.ma.us>, dlb@unixland.natick.ma.us (David L. Briggs) writes:
> 
> 	I have a pencil from the 1932 Roosevelt election.  It is unsharpened
> and has a small blue head of Roosevelt on the end.  Does anyone know how 
> much this is worth.

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From: joe@trdlnk.uucp (Joe Panfil)
Subject: Re: 7-up cans
Organization: TradeLink Corp.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:14:30 GMT

I have a set of 50 7-up cans from 1976 that when stacked form an image of 
Uncle Sam. I was wondering what the value of this collection is worth.
I know these are not true antiques however, there seems to be more knowledgeable
people in this group that rec.collecting.(Sorry, I just don't give two shakes
about baseball cards.)
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 92 15:57:22 CST
From:         Jerry Pelikan <C05705GP@WUVMD>
To:           NETNEWS@WUVMD
Subject:      Re: Stromberg-Carlson AM-FM Radio
Newsgroups:   rec.antiques

>
>In article <16841686D.SDOGGETT@cmsa.gmr.com>, SDOGGETT@cmsa.gmr.com says:
>
>In article <92224.135649C05705GP@wuvmd.wustl.edu>
>C05705GP@WUVMD (Jerry Pelikan) writes:
>
>>Any help or information about either will be muchly appriciated.
>>
>>Jerry Pelikan  c05705gp@wuvmd.wustl.edu
>>
>Most larger libraries carry Sam's Photofact's.  These are folders containing
>se
>rvice information on radios, tv's, etc.  All you need is a model number or
>chas
>sis number and you can look it up in the Sam's index.  Your S-C is covered in
>f
>older 37-23.  This indicates it's a 1946 model.  Sam's covers 1946 and newer.
>for older sets, use Rider's Perpetual Troubleshooters Manuals, these are
>harder
> to find, yet some large libraries have them.  Good luck, Spence.
>
Thanks Spence.
I had tried the public library, The librarian looked in the index for me.
Appearently she didn't look very carfully, as she said it was not there.
Now that I have the folder number I will call her back and see if she has
it.

Thanks again,
Jerry
From: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu (Kay Schlumpf)
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Looking for New Haunts
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:09:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bsw2r4.1qC
Reply-To: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu (Kay Schlumpf)
Organization: Materials Research Lab



Hi all!

I'm trying to find some new places to haunt in the central Illinois,
western Indiana area. I've gone to Mahomet, Rossville, and I'm
in Champaign-Urbana. I've also checked out a few other little 
towns around here. I go to the Kane County Flea Market (near
Chicago) periodically  and next weekend will be my first time
at the show in Sandwich.  So, I was hoping/wondering if anyone
knows of any good antique stores/flea markets/etc in the area.
I'm not out looking for furniture (more like Breyer horses, pens,
and ink wells (HI, James!)) so, I'm not looking for stores that sell 
only furniture. Maybe next year I can go buy some nice antique 
furniture, but for now I'm after the small stuff...

So, anyone have any clues???? Any and all help appreciated!!!

Kay

 
 
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From: rolling@rock.concert.net (Katherine Mohrfelv -- Personal Account)
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: lead content in Fiesta
Keywords: fiesta
Date: 15 Aug 92 19:39:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CONCERT-CONNECT -- Public Access UNIX

Does anyone know what the lead content is in Fiesta (the old
stuff)?  Is it considered safe to use on a daily basis?

Thanks,
Katie
From: gt7932b@prism.gatech.EDU (Hunter Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Evel Knievel
Date: 22 Aug 92 16:09:43 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


	I found an Eval Knievel bike in my house the other day.. It's from the
early 70's I'd say..  It's one of those bikes with a plastic rotational thing
that you twirl until you get the bike going fast enough, then when you stop
spinning it takes off.. Now the question..  Does anyone know how much something
like this would be worth?  I dunno if this is the right place to even ask.. If 
not then don't wail on me.. 'kay?  :-)  The box is in _prefect_ comdition, it
hasn't even been opened..  Thanks..


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From: wlh@cbnews.cb.att.com (wanda.l.howland)
Subject: Elgin watch
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:23:51 GMT


Hi!
A while back someone posted info re: old watches.
I have my husband's grandmother's watch.
It's an Elgin, small gold, serial #3256129 (as best I can make out) -
Any ideas as to yr. of mfr?? or anything else?

Thanks!

Wanda Howland
From: jimd@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Jim Donnelly)
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Re: Adding Machines, Slide Rule Wanted
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:55:21 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA


It sounds a Curta calculator.  There were two models,
the Type I and Type II.  The Type II is larger in radius
and has more digits in the input/output registers.

I've seen them in various places with $400 - $500 price
tags.  I don't know/remember the dates of manufacture,
but I could provide a photocopy of a photocopy of the
instruction sheet if you're interested.

Hope this helps,

Jim Donnelly
jimd@cv.hp.com
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From: rhoover@watson.ibm.com (Roger Hoover)
Subject: Victrola Model VV-111
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:49:32 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

I bought a victrola last night.  The label says Model VV-111.  Can
anyone out there tell me when this model was made (and perhaps what
the antique book value is)?  Thanks.

roger hoover
rhoover@watson.ibm.com

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From: cs_jh@cox.nsac.ns.ca (JEFF HOYLE)
Subject: Re: WANTED: YO-YO's
Organization: Nova Scotia AC
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:26:26 GMT

In article <16846A5C0.KCSCHIE@vm.cmp.ilstu.edu> KCSCHIE@vm.cmp.ilstu.edu writes:

>I'm looking for old or unique yo-yo's. Several years ago I started
>playing with yo-yo's just for fun, and now I collect them as a hobby.
>I'd love to hear from anyone with any original Duncan wooden yo-yo's
>they would be willing to part with. My collection is just for my own
>personal intrest, however, so I can't really afford to offer large
>ammounts of money to anybody, but if you've got something you think is
>pretty valuable, I could be interested anyway.
> 
>Thanks!
>Kyle C. Schiebel
Actually I am in a similar situation.  I was given the VCR tape by the 
Smothers Brothers and am hooked on YO YOs.  I have been looking for yoyos in 
antique shops/fleamarkets etc for the last 2.5 years and have found very 
few.  I was lucky enough to find an original Duncan wooden one in Frederick, 
M<d on a trip to the US a few weeks ago.  I paid the princely sum of $3 for 
it!  Wow I felt really lucky.  I have also been picking up the odd new yoyo 
and now have 21 in my collection.  One really old one is home made out of an 
old wool thread spool.  Its about 4" across and is not very well balanced.  
Perhaps we could set up some sort of mutual swap system so that if I find a 
duplicate we can exchange?  What do you think?

Are there any others out there in one of the varying states of Yo?
Jeff
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From: mcnamara@vixvax.mgi.com
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Old books on furniture
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:50:41 GMT
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.


	I have a few older books on furniture that appear to have some
collectible value.  A call to a dealer has given me a good idea of what
they are worth to dealers, but of course getting this amount might be
tricky.  So my question is:  How should I sell these?  They probably 
aren't worth enough to take out a newspaper ad for, and misc.forsale
seems like a long shot.
	FYI, the books are _American Antique Furniture_ by Miller 
(2 vol., 1937), _Art of Wood Finishing_ by Behlen (1957), _Shaker 
Furniture_ by Andrews (1950), and _Colonial Furniture in America_
by Luke, Vincent & Lockwood (2vol., 3rd ed., 1951).

						Curt
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From: f88dn@efd.lth.se (Daniel Nilsson)
Subject: Re: Adding Machines, Slide Rule Wanted
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:18:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.224920.28356@ossi.com> bill@ossi.com (Bill Kanawyer) writes:
>On the topic of old adding machines, has anyone seen this?
>
>A friend of mine had one of these on his desk a number of years ago.
>As I remember it, a small black cylinder with a crank handle
>on top. (It's appearance is much like that of a pepper-grinder.)
>Numbers were entered via sliders along the side of the cylinder with
>the readout along the end with the crank. The crank had two positions
>I think, one for addition and the other for subtraction. Size: hand held.
>I think that they were made in the 1950-1960.
>
>Questions:
> o What is it called? Who made it?

I don't know if there is a proper word for it in English, but basically it's
a trimmed-down pocket version of the ordinary crank-operated calculators: turn
clockwise and it will add - turn anti-clockwise and it will subtract.
 

> o Do they appear on the antique market? Yes?
> o What is their value?

They sometimes do appear on the market, but as I recall they are several times
more expensive than their desktop relatives. The price I saw was approximately
$300-400.

     /Daniel 
>
>thanks,
>
>Bill Kanawyer
>Senior Software Engineer
>Open Systems Solutions, Inc. - A member of the Fujitsu family
>6121 Hollis St. Emeryville, Ca. 94608-2092
>(510) 652-6200 x141 --- bill@ossi.com
>-- 
>Bill Kanawyer
>Senior Software Engineer
>Open Systems Solutions, Inc. - A member of the Fujitsu family
>6121 Hollis St. Emeryville, Ca. 94608-2092
From: mbuck@fibers (Michael D. Buck)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Vegas trip report, 8/7-8/9
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:20:14 EDT
Organization: Allied Fibers, Petersburg VA

In article <1992Aug11.233147.9108@kronos.arc.nasa.gov>, hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall) writes:
> In article <1992Aug11.223004.391@stsci.edu> ansok@stsci.edu (Gary Ansok) writes:
>>Four Queens has an single-deck automatic shuffler I hadn't seen
>>before -- while the dealer is dealing out one deck, the machine
>>is shuffling another. 
> 
> Right, I posted about this machine a while ago, complaining that
> Four Queens could afford incredibly poor penetration due to zero time
> spent by the dealer for shuffling.  I too noticed that it did a crappy
> job shuffling the cards, with often the top 20+ cards staying together.

These machines are also in use at Bally's LV, and now at two tables
at the LV Hilton.  Unfortunately, the LV Hilton game is No Surrender,
No DAS, Double on 10 or 11 only, unlike their 2D and 6D games.

On Monday Aug 10th, there were repeated jams on the machines at LV Hilton.
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From: mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Come bets at 10-20x odds
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:09:48 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

In article yslk@rpi.edu, kinosr@rs6112.ecs.rpi.edu (Roy Kiyoshi Kinoshita) writes:
>Does anyone know how many come bets should be made when placing full odds
>at a 10 or 20x table?  Since each roll is independent of the previous roll,
>it doesn't seem like it matters.  But if you have all the numbers covered
>and the 7 comes up, you're screwed.  Having a lot of money on the table
>doesn't seem like a wise choice.
>Several books have suggested having 1 pass-line bet and 2 come bets working
>at a single- or double-odds table.  That's fine; I can deal with that.  But
>to follow this same strategy at 20x odds makes my knees and my bankroll
>shiver.
>Are there any hard-core craps players out there that have a system that
>works at these very attractive tables?

It shouldn't make any difference, right?  If I play at a 20X table I would
make sure that my basic bet was 1/21 of what I would be willing to gamble
with for each come-out.  If I feel comfortable betting $100 then I would
throw $5 on the pass and throw $100 behind.  You can't lose anything on
the $100 (assuming your sample size was large), right?

I've taken pot-shots at 10X at the Horseshoe with $2 bets and then thrown
a $20 bill behind.  You're still taking the worst of it but you're laying
them considerably less than 1%.



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From: moo@king.eng.umd.edu (Deac Moo of the UGC)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Betting both sides to get Comps
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:50:11 GMT
Reply-To: moo@king.eng.umd.edu
Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park

In article <1992Aug13.162035.16529@kronos.arc.nasa.gov>, hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall) writes:

>Once when I was in Vegas playing blackjack, I kept hearing roars
>from a craps table.  I later found out that a guy won $100,000 or $200,000
>or something in under an hour starting with just a couple hundred.
>He couldn't have won that much without betting wildly. The casino
>gave him a couple of security escorts (supposedly to protect
>him but more likely to keep him from setting foot outside the casino),
>no doubt a big suite, etc., all of which was probably way under the amount
>the casino could afford to comp him considering the action, plus no doubt
>the poor guy wound up with not a penny to his name a couple of days later,
>getting the heave ho from the suite once the casino got what it wanted.

Gosh, aren't you cynical. 

What place was this? Caesars? The guy teaching craps at Caesars told the story
of one hour & $170,000+ at a craps table. Plus the mythos (well, true) "One
table will get hot every day ..."

The casino can AFFORD to let the guy leave, even if he walks away with $200K.
If you don't believe me, look at all the tottering senior citizens donating, er
putting money in the slots one dollar at a time.


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From: jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: send me...
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:39:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: cells.JACOBS.92Aug17133931
Followup-To: rec.gambling
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
In-reply-to: philipg@sco.COM's message of Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:30:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.183058.17959@sco.com> philipg@sco.COM (Philip Gordon) writes:

> Could someone please send the basic strategy table for standard
> Northern Nevada rules?

See the FAQ for single deck basic strategy.  Ignore the doubling for
soft hands and values other than 10/11.

> PS: What's the ftp site for the FAQ?

See your mailbox...
--
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"Never teach a card counter to sing.  It wastes your time and gets the card
 counter barred."
From: why@kpc.com (Will Hyde)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Adrenaline rush in the Hold'em tournament....
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:14:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc, Santa Clara, CA


 ...The long awaited SHOOTOUT AT THE KPC CORRAL....

 HALL vs JACOBS ... Down to the tablecloth, down to the River....


X.65**************Playing $60.00 MINIMUM (NO-LIMIT)******************
*********************************************************************
#1: jacobs@cs.utah.edu (steve jacobs)         (730.00)        (60.00) 
#2: bharat@cs.uiuc.edu (bharat rao)          (2570.00)        *FIRST*  
#3: butler@tartan.com (ken butler)           (1420.00)        
#5: hall@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov (michael hall)  (930.00)        (30.00) 
#6: slaven@iastate.edu (dave slaven)          (230.00)        (30.00) 
________________________________ 
Player #2 (2570.00)              FOLD                         120.00
________________________________ 
Player #3 (1360.00)              CALL  60.00                  180.00
________________________________ 
Player #5 (900.00)(30.00)D       CALL  60.00 (30.00)          210.00
________________________________ 
Player #6 (200.00)(30.00)        CALL  60.00 (30.00)          240.00
________________________________ 
Player #1 (530.00)(60.00)       RAISE 200.00                  440.00      
________________________________
Player #3                        FOLD
________________________________
Player #5 (700.00)               CALL 200.00                  640.00
________________________________
Player #6                        FOLD	
________________________________
THE FLOP:              3H JD 3C
________________________________
Player #1 (330.00)               BET: 200.00                  840.00
________________________________
Player #5 (170.00)              RAISE 330.00 (530.00)        1370.00
________________________________
Player #1 (*all-in*)             CALL 330.00                 1700.00
________________________________
THE TURN CARD:               6C
________________________________
THE RIVER:                   AS
________________________________

 ...and the winner is:



 ...michael(QH JS):  TWO PAIR, JJ33A 
 ....jacobs(JH 9H):  TWO PAIR, JJ33A  (Ace on the board plays...)


 ...kinda fizzles at the end, don't it....

 PRESTO PRESTO PRESTO PRESTO ... Jacobs screams.

 "I wuz robbed...!"  Says Hall.
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From: kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Chip diving
Keywords: yuk!
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:12:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: odin.1992Aug19.221214.10028
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

In article <davem.36.714237009@county.lmt.mn.org> davem@county.lmt.mn.org (David Mackmiller) writes:
>
>A friend of mine told me that her husband fished four $1 chips out of a
>toilet at the Mystic Lake Casino.  *Someone elses* chips.

You could always throw a $25 chip in there before going "diving in".
No one here would give you a hard time about fishing $29 worth
of chips out of a toilet.

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