HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: Rage (story)
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:34:08 GMT

In article <19253@plains.NoDak.edu> hennebry@plains.NoDak.edu (Michael J. Hennebry) writes:


>I do.  Non-self-incrimination may very well go the way of due process,
>just compensation, the right to confront one's accuser, and the right
>to trial by jury.  I even have some idea of the rationalization that
>might be used, but I'd rather not be spreading such ideas.

You forgot the right to keep an bear arms.

-=-=-
T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
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From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: Rape experiences
Date: 26 Jul 92 21:53:11 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Jul26.213318.1@engr>, s_mesbah@engr writes:

> 
> 
> And another thing Leon!  What gives you the right to copy my notes from
> soc.women over to talk.rape?  If I wanted my views on women expressed here I
> would do it myself.  
> 
> regards,
> Sam
> 

What's the matter Sam, don't want these women to see what you really think of
them?

DC

PS. Reminds me of one of the Murphy's laws from the series by Arthur Bloch:

"Never write down anything that might go into a 'Pearl Harbor' file."



Newsgroups: talk.rape
From: prall968@Armstrong.EDU
Subject: Advice for a friend...
Organization: Armstrong State College, Savannah, GA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:46:34 GMT

 MY ex-girl friend and still friend has this problem that is very much related 
to this newsgroup.

 At the age of 20 She was raped by a black man (she is white), and would not engage in relationships or sex for about 2 years afterwards.
 She went through some therapy and realized it wasn't her fault and such.

 We started our relationship about a year back and all seemed fine. She told
me she had been raped when we started our relationship, she did not mention
any other details other than she had been raped.

 About a month ago she came to me one night and said she wanted to break up.
When I inquired as to why she said she had been unfaithful to me and having sex
off and on with another guy. I said I could forgive her. Thats when she told me
the details of her rape..she told me it was by a black man and since then she has had nothing but a very strong sexual attraction to black men. The man she
was sleeping with off and on was a black guy from work. She had no intentions of marrying him nor every having more than just casual sex.

Is this a common occourance? She says shge cannot understand why it is happening. She has ofetn said he is an ugly cuss, but its just the pure sexual allure 
that keeps her coming back. She said she loves me but she can't live with herself and me while she had this 'problem'. She has tried once before to just end things and not sleep with him or any other black guy (she has slept with a few others as well before me) but its too strong of a pull and she will run right over to them.

Any advice I can pass along to her?

Gene

prall968@pirates.armstrong.edu

Newsgroups: talk.rape
From: farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf)
Subject: Re: Question for Scott
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 14:41:05 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.013603.8887@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.204414.25451@leland.Stanford.EDU>, farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes:
>> But people you know would call you gay if you reported a rape by a
>> man?
>> 
>
>Probably not to my face. However, they would probably all wonder if I contracted
>AIDS during the assault.
>
>That is reason enough to keep it quiet.

So, it's not homophobia that would keep you from reporting it, but
HIV-phobia?  If you were that worried about what people think, you
could have an HIV antibody test in six months and publish the results.

Doesn't any rape victim, though, have to worry about the possibility
of infection by STDs?  That has been my understanding for the
rationale of having people charged (but not convicted) with rape
tested for HIV infection.
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: Rape in any form ...
Date: 24 Jul 92 07:48:49 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <SYNTH.92Jul23215930@deepthought.unm.edu>, synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim) writes:
> 
> kimmyd@bnr.ca (Kimmy Posey P920) writes:
> 
> Kimmy> I neglected to mention people who fantasize about being raped.
> Kimmy> All I can say here is that I feel confident that if such a
> Kimmy> person could add to that fantasy the physical, emotional, and
> Kimmy> spiritual trauma suffered by a true rape victim, the 'fun'
> Kimmy> would go out of the experience pretty quick.
> 
> This is the essence of a question I posed to DC a while back -- how
> can someone who has experienced and witnessed such trauma continue to
> fantasize about rape?  Wouldn't the reality utterly dissolve the
> fantasy in the person's head?  What is going on in the person's head --
> is the reality being acknowledged and integrated into the fantasy
> somehow?  Perhaps someone here with an introspective edge could
> enlighten us.
> 

Well, there is the old seperating fantasy from reality, but that ha not seemed
to be understood in the past. Let me try a different appraoch.

When a person fantasizes about raping or being raped, the only things included
in the fantasy are the emotional/mental sensations you want. Maybe for the
victim role it involves someone you want to have sex with anyway, or the
tthrill of being involved in a group activity. Who knows? It is up to the
individual.

It may even be something as extreme as just one, really humiliating that
(nasty word for a female here) who dicked you over and felt no remorse
about stringing you along while she slept with other guys.

Is that so different than fantasizing about walking up to your boss in public,
and telling him off before tossing scalding coffe into his face or crotch? Most
of us have done a variant of this, and we all understand it is a normal thing
to fantasize about. We rarely also include being fired, arrested, jailed
with some 300 pound creature called 'Gore' who's first words to you are, "Good
thing you are here. I want sex NOW!"

We leave out of fantasies we would rather not associate with.

When it comes to a rape fantasy, the same applies.

That makes it pleasant.


DC


Newsgroups: talk.rape
From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May)
Subject: Rapmaster Kimmy D's Threat Rap
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 03:57:10 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I told my newsreader, tin, to pattern match for "talk.rap." and this
newsgroup is where I landed! Fearing I would find no street wisdom
from Ice T or Kool Moe D, I prepared to exit this group.

Ah! But then I spotted some signs of ragin' rap! I checked some of
the good hate rants from Kool Kathi I, kinky stuff about the men
reading this group having fantasies about her. Some nice paranoia
rappin' about the Net hiding some posts she wanted to get. Good stuff
(and you can dance to it).

But the best was from a new rapper, or at least new to talk.rap(e), a
really "def" guy named Kimmy D. His signifyin' rappin' puts Kool
Kathi I to shame. (Hint to Kathi I: your rage raps would be better if
you never tried to edit them...just let the rage spew out the way
Kimmy D does so well. Don't even use the backspace key. And skip your
lithium before you post.)

This is the rap I liked the most:

KIMMY D'S THREAT RAP

I'm Kimmy D, don't mess with me. 
I dish it out, I got the clout. 
I'm 6 foot 2, got lots of weight, 
post to me, I'll seal your fate!

Without my lithium I'm mad as hell, 
got nothing to lose, and I'm just swell. 
Ain't got much fat, except in my head, 
talk to me, you'll be better off dead.

I foam at the mouth, I got to agree, 
and some say my I.Q.'s not up to par.
But to those who say I go to far,
you'd better thank your lucky star!

I post my rants and make my threats,
then I cool off and post my regrets.
I use the Net to vent my rage, 
don't even have to act my age.


I'm Kimmy D, don't mess with me.



(Hope you liked this. I wandered into this group just to see what it
was about and found some of the most interesting flames I've ever
seen...and I'm not generally a fan of alt.flame. I obviously don't
support rape, but I also don't like the various threats that have
been levelled against others in the couple of weeks I have
sporadically read
this group. The comments above are in a light-hearted way, though the
subject of this group is very serious.

Please add your own rap lines--and please post them. We need to
lighten things up.)


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Newsgroups: talk.rape
From: synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim)
Subject: Re: Rape in any form ...
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 20:16:00 GMT
Organization: SynthMedia Productions Ltd.: The Danes Call It Quality
	<SYNTH.92Jul27122914@deepthought.unm.edu>
	<1992Jul27.172648.8980@uoft02.utoledo.edu>
	<SYNTH.92Jul28193941@deepthought.unm.edu>
	<1992Jul29.151912.8975@ccu.umanitoba.ca>


kaarts@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Kenneth John Aarts) writes:

Kenneth> You guys seem to be argueing semantics.  How are you defining
Kenneth> normal vs common?

My apologies -- I should've used "healthy" instead of normal, as Tim
suggested.


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Newsgroups: talk.rape
From: s_mesbah@engr
Subject: Rape experiences
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 14:40:38 GMT

Looking for someone to share rape experiences with.  

regards,
Sam
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: The reason for Rage
Date: 22 Jul 92 08:34:39 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Jul22.035836.29793@leland.Stanford.EDU>, farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes:

>>> 
>>> Or were you talking about your own inability to deal with
>>> homosexuality?
>>
>>Inability? No, I deal with them just fine. I ignore their rantings
>>and move on to issues that concern me. (Sorry, but life is too short
>>to get involved with everyone's plight.)
> 
> Goehring wrote homosexuality, not homosexuals.  He was referring (I
> believe) to the idea that your own homophobia may prevent you from
> reporting your rape by a man.

Oh, I was fully aware he was insinuating I had homophobia. Which is why
I simply brused it aside and used the word 'ranting'.

> 
> His post also dealt with homophobia, something I think you show by
> referring to homosexuals' "rantings."  Think of it this way: If this
> discussion were about white police officers not talking the rape
> reports of black women seriously and Goehring blamed it on racism,
> then he made a similar comment to you about the problems of black
> women.  Would you then write: "No, I deal with them just fine.  I
> ignore their rantings..."?

His ranting was that I was homophobic. (A nice, politically correct word used
to slam anyone who does not care about gay issues. Tell me, if I do not care
about the plight of fat people and their being discriminated, am I
obeseaphobic? If the troubles that samll farmers face when they are over-taken
by corporate farms does not bother me, am I micro-agrigulaistaphobic?)

As for homosexual rape, that is no different a crime that ordinary rape. But,
as there is information out there to indicate that a significant percentage of
men who get raped are singled out because they are gay (right or wrong, that 
perceotion exists) to be the victim of gay rape is to start to have people
suspect you are gay. 

That is why I would not report it.

DC




Newsgroups: talk.rape
From: boggs@a.cs.okstate.edu (BOGGS RICHARD GRAN)
Subject: Re: Rape (what else?)
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 23:12:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.141426.8814@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>> Date rape is more often not "Well, I said no, but he insisted and I
>> felt helpless."  The date rapes I've heard and read of involved
>> victims being pinned down or beaten and raped.
>
>Insisting (if like pleading/begging) is not rape. Insisting with physical
>threats is. In my opinion.

Have to agree with you here, DC, again.

-- 
Grant Boggs
boggs@a.cs.okstate.edu
Oklahoma State University
Stillwater, Oklahoma
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: Question for Scott
Date: 25 Jul 92 14:08:19 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Jul25.165842.25325@leland.Stanford.EDU>, farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes:
> In article <SCG.92Jul24192917@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu writes:
>>dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>>
>>>I am glad that you agree with me that there are a plethora of reasons
>>>to not report a rape.
>>
>>Unfortunately, there are.  What bothers me is that you don't seem to
>>consider this to be a problem.
> 
> Bingo!  That's exactly what I find so annoying about DC's posts.  It
> alarms me that a law student can be so clueless.  His solution is that
> he'd take the law into his own hands (albeit that he says that he'd
> expect to be punished for that).  What about the rape victims who want
> justice but don't want to take the law into their own hands?  DC seems
> to have no answer for them.

On the contray. I have the exact same answer that applies to ALL problems
and situations people face:

Deal with it, change it, or live with it.

Further, you will note that I HAVE made posts regarding alternatives
people and society have considered on such problems. I merely throw out the
information, you have to do something with it. My only goal on here is to make
people consider exactly what they are saying, whether or not what they are
saying is factually based, and whther or not their soultions offer a cure, or
merely aditional problems.

If you feel that rape victims get a raw deal, what are YOU doing about it? I
mean BESIDES complaining that I am not doing anything about it. Ever lobbied
th legislature? Ever written laws designed to protect people? Ever done
anything more than sit around and bitch about the horrible situation?

Me clueless? Hardly. I realize the situation has been gliding along for
thousands of years with people listing to myth and folklore as a basis for what
they do.

What has it gotten us?

One in four women get raped.

Maybe we need to examine a little more information on the suject before we find
another sure cure.

Further, when someone presents a hypothetical to me, asking me what I would do,
does it really seem valid to state that because someone would not want to
follow what I do, that I am offering them no answers? The question that was
presented, if you had read it, was what would I do. NOT what I think other
people should do.

Now, I can see right away that someone is going to kick in with:

"Well, D.C., what exactly would you advise them to do?"

However, my answer to that is going to be:

"Why are you looking to me to answer YOUR questions??? You have a brain, use
it!"

I am merely here to provide accurate information and supply people with
differing viewpoints than what they currently have. I am trying to provide a
better framing of the questions.

Why do people also expect me to supply answers?

That is something we all work together as a society to find and fashion.

Now, what were you saying?

DC
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: Ok Ami if you insist ...
Date: 25 Jul 92 12:54:16 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Jul24.184943.28266@brtph560.bnr.ca>, kimmyd@bnr.ca (Kimmy Posey P920) writes:

> Fantasy of any sort is both a way of experimenting / indulging in activities
> one whould never engage in huh ?  = B*LL SH*T! =  I fantasize about murdering
> my father-n-law and his father and his brother every day.  The one and only
> thing that keeps me from doing that is that I would end up dead and there would
> be nobody left to look after my wife.  All that junk about Civil War re-
> enactment and SCA is plain old noise.  Totally irrelevant to this discussion.
> Maybe I should say tirade as at this moment I am foaming at the mouth ... YUK!

Maybe the problem is you want to act out your fantasy, and so you automatically
assume other people want to do the same. However, you do not fantaszie about
about killing those people, you want to do it. It is a desire. That is far
different from a fantasy. 

If anyone desired to commit rape, then they should seek counseling quickly.

Fantaszing about it is different. Just becuase both activities take place
in the human skull does not mean they are the same thing.

DC


Newsgroups: talk.rape
From: rpetsche@mrg.tmc.edu (Rolfe G. Petschek)
Subject: Re: Sex fantasies--men, women, other.
Reply-To: rpetsche@mrg.CWRU.EDU (Rolfe G. Petschek)
Organization: CWRU Physics Department
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:42:29 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.111653.9027@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>In article <SCG.92Jul29084550@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Scott Goehring) writes:
>> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>> 
>>>The biggest difference I can think of is a woman can fulfill her
>>>sexual fantasies any time she wants. Men must wait for the woman to
>>>want to fulfill hers before they can fulfill theirs. 
 
>> I suspect there is an underlying assumption that you're making.
>> Perhaps something about how men are always ready to perform?
>
>Assumption? No. Fact. All a woman must do to go out and get laid, provided she
>is even average, is to go out and make herself available. If there are males
>available, she'll get what she wants.

Provided, I suppose that all she wants is the most trivial sex with a
not necessarily terribly attractive partner.  Not all sexual fantasies
satisify this condition.

Examples:

A woman who is anorgasmic during vaginal-penial sex might fantasize about 
a vaginal-penial orgasm and never achieve such, even by going to bars and 
picking up the less than averagely sensitive men who are there abouts.

A woman might fantasize about having her vagina licked by one man while
another man licks her nipples and again not easily succeed in satisfying
this fantasy from a bar pick-up.

I did not satisfy my former lover's fantasy to be fantasy-raped.  I am
unaware if she ever succeeded in satisfy this fantasy.

Frankly if men "score" one time in three I don't really think that this is
too different from sex on demand - or much different from one time in
one.
--
Rolfe G. Petschek			Petschek@cwru.bitnet
Associate Professor of Physics		rgp@po.cwru.edu
Case Western Reserve University		(216)368-4035 
Cleveland Oh 44106-7079
Newsgroups: talk.rape
From: boggs@a.cs.okstate.edu (BOGGS RICHARD GRAN)
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: rape - lust apology
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:56:59 GMT
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater

snyeva01@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:
>I am very sorry, but it seems as if someone got hold of my password and had
>some fun. The posting labelled "rape - lust" was not written by me Evan Snyman
>and I totally dissociate myself from any such sentiment.

Not to say differrently, but you certainly must have just walked in on this
person as they were Pnews'ing the article out.  You're article of appology was
posted to the Net a mere 3 minutes and one second after the aticle you are
appologizing for.

My guess, if I were making one, would be that you just posted that for fun to
see what type of responses you could elicite.

But no hard feelings from me.  I believe you.  (whisper) But will they?

-- 
Grant Boggs
boggs@a.cs.okstate.edu
Oklahoma State University
Stillwater, Oklahoma
From: pepke@ds1.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke)
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: Rape in any form ...
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:10:14 GMT
Reply-To: pepke@ds1.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke)
Organization: Florida State University, but I don't speak for them

In article <1992Jul24.075551.12191@a.cs.okstate.edu> boggs@a.cs.okstate.edu (BOGGS RICHARD GRAN) writes:
>If rape is the second most common fantasy, what's the first?

Participating in a USENET discussion which does not degenerate into a flame
ware.

-EMP
Xref: sparky talk.rape:1689 alt.sexual.abuse.recovery:5236
From: tdelaney@penn.Gwinnett.COM (ted delaney)
Newsgroups: talk.rape,alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Re: Info/resources on Ritual Abuse needed
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:57:56 GMT

mbaya@antioc.antioch.edu writes:

> Hello, I am looking for information about Ritual Abuse, particularly with
> Neo-Nazi ideology. Has anyone heard of:
> "The New Order for the Reformation & Reclamation of Aryan Culture and
> Civilization"? 
> 
> This information is needed for research assisting a survivor of ritual abuse.
> Any information on topics relating to these or any leads on possible resource
> would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Please post and reply to E-mail since our newsfeed is limited. Thanks.

to whomever wrote this, (I have no idea of the person) please be advised (IN MY
OPINION as a rit-survivor) that this is (I FEEL) a VERY dangerous thing to be
asking.
we, have NO IDEA of your legitamacy.
sorry, but this note/kind of note, sends up major warning/danger signals.
at NO POINT do you mention confidentiality, or anything of that nature.
yes, rit-survivors are paranoid, it comes with the turf.
From: scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Scott Goehring)
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: The reason for Rage
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:51:16 GMT
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	<1992Jul
Reply-To: scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Organization: Society for the Prevention of National Mudding Associations

rpetsche@mrg.tmc.edu (Rolfe G. Petschek) writes:

>Wasn't Tyson accused of both rape and deviant sexual conduct e.g.
>isn't rape defined as a man forcing penial-vaginal sex on a woman
>(and Tyson also performed oral sex)?

The DSC charges were for oral sex, in Tyson's case.  DSC is sexual
conduct other than penile-vaginal.  I don't know if Indiana legislates
the missionary position, or not.  I don't believe so.

Rape, in Indiana, must involve p-v sex between a man and a woman other
than his wife.  A woman cannot be charged with rape, and a man cannot
be charged with raping his wife, unless they are legally separated.

I'd love to see a lot of this changed, but Indiana is a pretty
backwards state.
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