HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dan@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com (Dan Breslau)
Subject: Re: Forced kidney donations
Organization: none
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:26:27 GMT

jpennell@axion.bt.co.uk (John Pennell) writes:



>This is not a lunatic raving, just someone interested.

>I recently read the posts regarding the use of pig's livers in humans.  Recently,
>there has been a rumour close to my home town of young people being sold
>"drugs" at parties which have later turned out to be tranquilisers.  The young
>people disappear for 3-4 days and when they return, a very professional job has been
>made of the removal of a kidney.

>Until now, I have dismissed this has a stupid rumour, but the post got me
>thinking.  If the operation is possible, would this make the "scam" described
>lucrative.  I have heard that so far, the local police are aware of this happening
>in Chelmsford and Hertford and a two other places in the Herts and Essex area of 
>England.  Any observations or comments on the practicalities of this would be welcome.

>Please, no flames, I am asking out of interest.

>Jon

Sure sounds like an urban legend (or someone saw Monty Python's
"Meaning of Life" and thought it was a documentary...)

Consider: How do the abductors know the blood & tissue type of the
supposed victim?  Without that info, wouldn't they have to have an
awfully high ratio of victims to useable kidneys?

Dan Breslau
dan@codex.com
Disclaimer, etc.
From: dholling@atl.ge.com (David M Hollingsworth)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: clembuterol
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:50:52 GMT
Organization: GE Advanced Technology Laboratories

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From: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Sinus Headaches
Date: 7 Oct 1992 16:39:45 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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In article <16824@pitt.UUCP>, geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
|> Actually, there are many degrees of vascular headaches, from
|> hardly noticible (I get these if I stay up too late the night before)
|> to intolerable migraines.  Many migraine sufferers find that not
|> only do their terrible headaches go away with treatment but also
|> their milder ones that they sometimes have almost daily.  They
|> can just be variants of the same thing.

Is a headache likely to be related to migraines if it is exacerbated 
by any increase in blood pressure?

All of my headaches, minor or terrible, keep me from being able to 
exercise. Just walking up a flight of stairs makes the pounding 
unbearable, where it may have been almost reasonable before. I was 
assuming they were tension headaches.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Christian Science Folly (was Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources)
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:33:52 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1992Oct7.123850.1246@genie.slhs.udel.edu> nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz) writes:
>>
>Does anyone have information about how long Christian Scientists live?
>

Not as long as Mormons or 7th Day Adventists, but I think they don't
smoke or drink like the population at large.


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From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Starting an alternative medicine newsgroup
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:37:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Oct9.153751.15415
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <BvuAAp.7ny@wpg.com> russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence) writes:
>From article <1992Oct8.233915.5695@spdcc.com>, by dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer):
>sd> Cut the crap, Ray.  Your personal vendetta against Gordon or 
>sd> whoever it was who was so terribly nasty to you a while ago is of 
>sd> interest to no one else other than yourself.  But no, it really 
>sd> festers, doesn't it?  
>
>I truly don't wish to offend you, Steve, but I can't help wondering
>why you seem to think that "nastiness" is tolerable if/when you're
>the one who's dishing out the insults.
>
>This newsgroup would be far more attractive to the net-at-large if 
>we could stick to the facts and dispense with the invective.
>

Hear hear.  The noise level in here gets deafening more often
than truly necessary.  It is especially unnecessary to post
derisive posts directed to so-called 'write-only' individuals;
after all, what's the point?  You already know that what you
say has no effect on them.
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:08:48 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1av584INNfhe@network.ucsd.edu>, brian@ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor) writes:
> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>>	a pill or an antedote.  I mean if you are allergic to cats
>>	do you keep cats and take antihistimines, or get rid of the
>>	cats.
>>	This is simple.
> 
> You take antihistimines and keep the cats, obviously.
> 
> Imagine, a household without cats.  What a dreary place.
> 
> Is such a life worth living?

Further, several studies have shown that people with companion animals
live longer than matched non-pet-owners.

I *do* get impatient with people who have confused "recreational
drugs" and drugs used for valid medical purposes, and propose 
doing away with the medicinal uses...

E.g., the witless psychologist who wanted to "cure" me of my
"addiction" to aspirin, which I take for arthritis.  If I can't
move, I can't work... besides which, I dislike being in pain and
I know what inflammation can do to joints.

Or the (I use the term loosely) gentleman who opposed his wife
taking their baby who *obviously* had a screaming ear infection
(and a temp of 105) to the doctor.  Because the doctor might prescribe
(oh, horrors!) _drugs_!.

Sigh.

Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence)
Subject: Re: B12 deficiencies  Was: Starting an alternative group...
Organization: WP Group
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:52:52 GMT

From article <1992Oct15.063010.15861@spdcc.com>, by dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer):
sd> When it comes to making dietary recommendations, it would be 
sd> unethical to do anything but recommend that a B12 supplement be 
sd> taken, or that the diet be supplemented with a small amount of 
sd> dairy, eggs or fish.  

I agree.  Supplements are cheap.


-- 
Russell Lawrence, WP Group, New Orleans (504) 443-5000
russ@wpg.com   uunet!wpg!russ
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo)
Subject: Re: Giving Blood! "Gimme that thing, I'll do it myself"
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 15:50:28 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
 
 Another possible cause of fouled-up vein sticking is that the 
 nurse has little vested interest in the results.  That is, if the
 nurse misses the vein, they will try again or get someone else.
 It is the patient that is left with at least a week's worth of
 bruises.  

 I am not saying that this is always the case and I have met very
 nice nurses in my day.  But living with pain day in and day out
 must have a numbing effect on some nurses ability to sympathize with
 the patient.

-- 
Ralph Yozzo (yozzo@watson.ibm.com)  
From the beautiful and historic Mid-Hudson Valley area of NY state
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo)
Subject: Re: Giving Blood! "Gimme that thing, I'll do it myself"
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 14:05:52 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1992Oct8.212844.7439@iscsvax.uni.edu> klier@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>Collene Pearce writes:
>My mother has veins that are apparently easy to hit, but they roll and
>collapse.  This time, when she was in the hospital, I persuaded her to
>_tell_ the phlebotomists she didn't know that her veins rolled.  
>Result: many fewer failed attempts, many fewer bruises.

Okay, I'll bite.  How does lying to the phlebotomist about
rolling veins help?

-- 
Ralph Yozzo (yozzo@watson.ibm.com)  
From the beautiful and historic Mid-Hudson Valley area of NY state
From: mdddne@rodaodaos.ss.ssedu (Mark D. Kline)
Newsgroups: misc.isc.i,sci.med,hio-state.edu!rpi!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!psivax,mp!psipsip!newstand.syr.edu!rodan.acs.syr.edu!mdkline
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:46:18 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University

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From: rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Medline access?
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:59:55 GMT
Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA

In article <1992Oct07.144004.176586@ipgaix.unipg.it> peppe@ipgaix.unipg.it
 (G. Vitillaro) writes:
>Excuse me ignorance: what is PaperChase and how is possible
>to use it to access Medline?

PaperChase is a "front end" to Medline.  It's designed to be a program
that can be used with no training to perform searches of the medical
literature.  Currently it can be accessed either through direct dial up
or through CompuServe.  I think it's very user-friendly, but am probably
a biased observer since I work with the people who run it.
-- 
David Rind
rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu
From: bsimon@elvis.stsci.edu (Bernie Simon)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Stomach problems
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:46:01 GMT
Organization: None. This saves me from writing a disclaimer.

One thing to check is coffee consumption. Coffee (both regular and
caffeine free) can cause hyperacidity of the stomach. If you drink
coffee, try stopping for two weeks and see if it helps your problem.
--
Bernie Simon	(bsimon@stsci.edu)		similia similibus curentur
From: jean@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jean Jasinski)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:20:05 GMT
Subject: More Eyeball Woes
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: sci.med

Might anyone be able to help with an elusive, poorly-defined problem
my husband is experiencing with his eye?       

He complains that at times his left eyeball "gets stuck" on something
in his eye socket.  His best guess is that it feels like there might be
a small growth on his upper eyelid because if he presses on his top eyelid,
the eye seems to free up.  But if there is a "growth", it must be high up
because a cursory exam of the eyelid finds nothing.  There is no difference
in dryness between his two eyes; his vision is not affected.

This man has an extreme "eye phobia" so examinations are difficult.  You
just mention eye drops and his eyes water profusely.  He watched his
mother slit her eye with a hard contact lens about 25 years ago and he's
never quit recovered from the experience.

He has been to both an opthalamologist and an optometrist.  He used
cellufresh (a wetting solution) with no relief.  Shortly before
this started (Feb. of this year), he was experiencing headaches and
nausea and had a CT scan and MRI that were negative for headache
causes.  It has not gone away since it started; he has tried to live
with it but is started to get a little annoyed.

What kinds of problems might cause these symptoms?  Which further
diagnostic measures should be done?

Jean Jasinski
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: jordan@NeoSoft.com (Jordan Henderson)
Subject: MRA??
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:23:46 GMT

I know what an MRI is, Magnetic Resonance Imaging, but a friend told me that
they were having an MRA in a situation that I would expect they might be 
getting an MRI.  Did I hear my friend incorrectly, or is there such a thing
as an MRA?

						Jordan Henderson
						jordan@neosoft.com
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Don't Bring Lists
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:22:43 GMT
Distribution: sci
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <16881@pitt.UUCP> km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) writes:
>In article <BvroBw.2tK@apollo.hp.com> betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) writes:

>|The rule of thumb that Ken cites seems to me to date from a more
>|leisured era of medical care.  I can understand why a doctor becomes
>|nervous when confronted with a list of symptoms rivalling Leporello's
>|list of conquests.  But a list of nagging questions may only indicate
>|a patient who is trying to make efficient use of a physician's
>|tightly scheduled time.

>Even if a physician's time is tightly schedules, you should never be
>made to feel rushed in a physician's office. If the physician is
>seeing so many patients that he/she doesn't have time to spend with
>them doing things properly, then it is time to add another physician
>to the practice, or to wind things down.

>This is easy for me to say, since I work for a salary and can spend
>all the time with patients that I want. I think medical care would
>be far better if doctors were paid for their time, rather than on
>a per head basis.

I do not see why any physician should object to a patient bringing in
a list.  Would you rather have the patient try to remember to mention
the problems?  All that paper does here is to act as a less volatile
memory than the human brain, especially under stress.

Remember that that odd symptom on the list, which would not be thought
of during the normal interview  process, might be the clue.  Neither
the patient nor the physician can think of everything.  Also, expecting
a patient not to list irrelevant symptoms presupposes that the patient
has a rather high degree of medical knowledge.  I believe that there is
a saying that even a doctor who treats himself is a fool.
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
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From: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Sinus Headaches
Date: 8 Oct 1992 14:20:58 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
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In a previous article, geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) says:

>In article <1992Oct5.150000.14535@genie.slhs.udel.edu> nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz) writes:
>>
>>It's my impression that migraines make people want to hide in dimly
>>lit, quiet rooms with no other people, whereas sound, light, and
>>company (within reason) have no effect on sinus headaches. 

I find this true with minor sinus headaches, but when I get major sinus
headaches, the ones I call "sinus migraines", then any sound, light, etc,
bothers me.

>That's true.  The migraine patient does not want *any* stimulation
>and withdraws to a dark, quiet, alone place to try to sleep.
>This behavior is strikingly different from cluster headache
>patients (an even worse type of vascular headache).  The cluster
>patient can not lie still and gets up and paces the floor incessantly.
>Cluster patients may even commit suicide from the pain.

I get this kind of headache quite frequently, and they are much worse 
than the migraines.


*Paul Fortman
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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: "Problem Patient"
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:47:19 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1992Oct05.071628.0253494@locus.com> yazz@locus.com (Bob Yazz) writes:
>
>Lifetime Medical Television has several times discussed legislative
>proposals for creating a national registry of physicians.  I don't
>recall what info they were going to record or who it was supposed to
>be available to, but some MD's didn't much like the proposal.
>
There is a registry of who has been kicked off hospital staffs
or disciplined by state liscensing boards.  I don't think lay
people can access it, but I don't know.  There also is a proposal
to have a registry of who has been sued for malpractice.  Obviously
many good physicians in risky specialities (e.g. neurosurgery,
orthopedics) are almost continually being sued due to the nature
of their specialty, and would not like the inference that this
means they are bad doctors (which is probably what most laypeople
would conclude from statistics on lawsuits).  It is interesting
to me that the best neurologist in our department has been sued
more than any other one, although he has won all his suits (actually
none of them even got to the trial stage before being dropped, 
but that still would be reported in the registry, I believe).
I think it is because he takes all the "problem patients" (there's
that word again).  His bedside manner is very good.
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Newsgroups: sci.med,sci.med.nutrition
From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King)
Subject: Re: Homeopathy
Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:49:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.153026.27491@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.221857.14985@octel.com> richard@octel.com (Richard Karasik) writes:
>
>>Second -less is more is less etc.
>>   Take a look at electrical fields. At a certain field strength
>>   they cause no changes to cells. A little stronger, and the
>>   cells can mutate to neonatal forms, stronger still, and the cells
>>   will "resist" the field almost like a virus encysts, stronger still
>>   and you plain fry the cell.
>
>What is this guy _talking about_?  The only electric field he's ever
>experienced comes from sitting in front of his terminal or TV set.
>What he's describing is gibberish.  Which is about the only thing it
>has in common with homeopathy.

Hey, he's got it just right ;-)

If the TV's brightness is very low there will be no effect staring at the
apparently blank screen*.

Turn up the brightness a bit and your cells neonatal-ize -- your brain becomes
more and more childlike.

Turn the brightness up more and your eyes will involuntarily shut, or you will
go blind.  This is the cells resisting the neonatany.  Most ordinary TVs can't
do this but special ones that plug into 220V lines were built for the research
and that's what happened.

Turn the brightness up more and you fry the cells.  You need a really special
TV that plugs into a 440 volt 3 phase line.  Each pixel has its own Carbon arc.
To my knowledge only one has been built.


-dk


* Of course homeopaths probably believe that if you turn the TV's electron guns
  down to the point that the picture probably doesn't contain even a single
  photon, the advertisements become more potent.  Perhaps this research has to
  be done on commercial-free PBS, for safety.
From: jjmorris@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Joyce Morris)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: hypochondriac vs worried well
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:02:52 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

To physicians on the net:

How do you tell the difference between hypochondriacs and the worried
well?  Or do you consider there to be any difference?
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: robert@unlv.edu (Robert Cray)
Subject: Re: Flame wars on sci.med
Organization: University of Nevada, Las Vegas
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 14:57:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.162722.19957@linus.mitre.org> m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
>Very good.  Now if only the OTHER profanity-bound posters figure it
>out.  Odd, though, but when I complained about this before they were
>DEFENDED in their use of misc. profanities.  As though that were
>suppose to add to their presteige.

I assume you're talking about Steve Dyer.  Steve recently mentioned that
his posts are like a mirror, they reflect the tone of what he is responding
to.  I've been reading the net since about 1984 and have found that to be
true.  I've corresponded with him a couple of times and he has always been
very pleasant.  I've seen many non-inflammatory responses from Steve to posts
that were right out there on the fringe, and when they were of a reasonable
tone so was Steve.  So I don't see what the problem is - it is pretty easy to
avoid getting flamed yourself, and if Steve calls a twit a twit from time
to time, well that just adds some entertainment value.

I would like to see a moderated sci.med if only to cut down on the volume.
It would probably be alot easier if the "alternative" stuff had somewhere
else to go.  Where a moderator knowledgeable enough and with enough time
could be found I have no idea.

					--robert
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robert@cs.unlv.edu