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From: malodah@pbhyf.pacbell.com (Martin A. Lodahl)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Llama .45 Magazines
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:52:45 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

In article <9211101922.AA25484@mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU> C08926RC@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu (Rob) writes:
#A friend of mine has one of those Llama .45 pistols, and he's
#Do standard generic 1911 magazines function reliably in the Llama .45,
#or would he be better off buying genuine Llama mags?

I have one Llama magazine, and all the rest are G.I.  In
my gun, there's no apparent difference in function.  That's the
kindest way of saying that neither is particularly reliable.

-- 
= Martin A. Lodahl    [DoD, AHA, NRA]  Systems Analyst, Pacific*Bell =
= malodah@PacBell.COM		Sacramento, CA, USA     916.972.4821 =
= If it's good for ancient Druids, runnin' nekkid through the wuids, =
= Drinkin' strange fermented fluids, it's good enough for me!!  8-)} =
From: holger@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Holger Reusch (Dipl. Gerhard + Joe))
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Firing w/o chambered shell (was: Psychology in Defense)
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:24:40 GMT
Organization: Technical University Vienna, Dept. for Realtime Systems, AUSTRIA

scot@hpfcla.fc.hp.com (Scot Heath) writes:

#Holger Reusch (Dipl. Gerhard + Joe) (holger@vmars.tuwien.ac.at) wrote:

#: I prefer the following method:
#: 1)  I load normal ammo in the shotgun, i.e. no spent shells.
#: 2)  I rack the slide back (but not forth again).

#Why on earth do you do this?  If you can rack the slide without pulling the
#trigger, it means the gun is in the "fired" state.  If you can't, pull the
#trigger!  I see no need to go through steps 3, 4, 5, and 6 which amount to
#nothing more than putting the gun in the same stat it's in now.

I forgot to mention that, as an prerequisite to the whole  drill,
the  shotgun's chamber is empty and the spring driving the firing
pin decocked.  That's the normal mode of  long term  storage  for
me.

-- 
| Holger Reusch                             |
| Technical University of Vienna, Austria <-+--- No kangaroos here,
| Dept. for Real-Time Systems               |    sorry!
| holger@vmars.tuwien.ac.at                 |
From: jbm@cyclone.sbi.com (Jeffrey B. Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: rec.guns digest SPECIAL EDITION
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:54:59 GMT

We love our moderator!  He brings joy to our otherwise drab CRT-washed
lives!  We'd be poorer without [MODERATOR:]'s commentary!  Mr.
Klausner sounds like a nasty old poop!

-Jeff Moore (jbm@sbi.com)
From: pauly@netcom.com (Paul Yoshimune)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Springfield .45, and Unique
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:34:50 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <9211061547.AA27853@rutgers.edu> amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Anmar Caves) writes:

#One thing I did notice is that on some cases it dings the case mouth,
#but it was only with one brand (Remington 230gr FMJs).  I'm in love.
#
#So, anything I need to know about the Springfield, and quirks, or past
#histories?  Stories?

Well, this is a problem my Springfield had, and which is apparently a problem
with a great number of Springfields.  Oftentimes, the brass will ding heavily
at the mouth, seemingly because it is spinning incredibly fast upon ejection.
A Wilson extractor fixed this problem promptly, although on occasion, brass
would still get ugly.  I imagine scalloping the ejection port would all but
end this nasty problem.

Other than that, the Springfield is a great gun, and with a bit of work, will
be extremely accurate and reliable.


-- 
DVC,
  Paul

Paul Yoshimune
pauly@netcom.com
From: btree!hale@UCSD.EDU (Bob Hale)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Safe carry through New York
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:57:34 GMT
Organization: Brooktree Corporation, San Diego

In article <1992Nov4.044307.27198@news.columbia.edu> pes3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Paul Eric Stoufflet) writes:
#I currently live in Connecticut, and used to live in Texas.  I have
#two rifles in Texas that I would like to bring back with me to CT
#(I am visiting Dallas for a few days).  I would like to take the
#rifles in checked baggage on the airplane.  The problem is, I am
#landing at LaGuardia (in NYC), then driving ~30 miles to my home
#in CT.

Unfortunately, it is all too common for firearms shipped on airplanes
to be stolen.  You may want to consider alternative shipping approaches.

You can use common carriers such as UPS to send such items.  Granted,
UPS does occasionally lose or damage a shipment but they do offer
insurance and the insurance will eventually (!) pay up in the case
of a loss.

Bob Hale                                      ...!ucsd!btree!hale
...!btree!hale@ucsd.edu                       ...!ucsd!btree!hale@uunet.uu.net
From: 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: AR-15 scope
Date: 13 Nov 92 12:29:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: male.1dv9vfINN2l7
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.

Hello Shooters,


I am looking for a scope for my AR-15, the small colt model designed for
the AR-15 I am willing to pay up to $120 for a good used one. If there are
any sellers out there please contact me as soon as possible.
From: C08926RC@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu (Rob)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: RE: Steyr GB
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:25:23 GMT


#Yes, that was it.  Ugly as hell, way too big (maybe a little smaller than
#a Desert Eagle) 9mm that held about 19 rounds.  Worst looking thing
#(and most useless 9mm pistol) since the H+K VP70 (something like that),

Hey now, I happen to like the VP70 and Steyr GB....8-)

Anyway, there was also a Steyr GB clone out there called the L.E.S.
Rogak.  I believe it was made in Chicago or thereabouts.  Depending
on who you believe, they'll tell you the Steyr copied the Rogak while
others will tell you the Rogak copied the Steyr.

Performance of the Rogak was less than spectacular.

Rob
From: bercov@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (John Bercovitz)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: cartridge casting
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:18:13 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California

In article <9211101408.AA09370@roadkill.nrl.navy.mil> schuette@roadkill.nrl.navy.mil (Larry Schuette) writes:

#	I've been having trouble with my wildcat.  It's a .30-.348
#and I've decided that I need to make a casting of the chamber.  
#This, because I'm convinced that it is not a standard (ie, Ackley)
#wildcat.  I really want to get a better feel for the cartridge
#length.  The brass I was given varies in length by as much as .1"(!!)

#Brownell sells casting metal that is specifically made to have
#low melting point and consistent shrinkage.  Anybody outthere 
#made a casting of a chamber?  I'd like to here any horror/success
#stories before I do this.  Anybody think of a better way to get
#the correct casing length?  (I did statistics on cartridge lengths,
#but was not satisfied with the answer).

I've done a lot of chamber castings.  I don't particularly like to do
them on lever guns though (I assume that's what you've got considering
the parent cartridge).  The problem is, you've got to be very careful
so you don't pour the metal into the machinery.  You have to tape off
the area and use a funnel and just generally take evey precaution so
the metal only goes where you want it to.  With a bolt gun you can be
pretty sloppy because the metal's not going to get anyplace it's hard
to clean out of.  Other than that, it's not too hard.  Just clean out
the chamber with solvent so that you won't get bubbles on the surface
of your casting.  Of course you have to plug the mouth of the chamber.
Usually you would do this with a tightly-patched cleaning rod inserted
from the muzzle end of the barrel.  The rod gives you something to tap
on when you want to remove the cast.  By the way, it's a good idea to
knock the casting out as soon as it hardens.  This is because it grows
for the next little while after it sets up.  This makes it harder to
remove.  So don't leave it in there for an hour and then try to knock
it out; you'd be making more work for yourself.

John Bercovitz     (JHBercovitz@lbl.gov)

PS: Short case necks don't really hurt anything but long ones do, as 
you probably know.

JB
From: rigg@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com (Dana Rigg)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: AMT .380, Colt Mustang, or other?
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:25:26 GMT

-> Now, I have a habit to look at police officers' guns to note what
-> he or she chose.  It is amazing how many of them chose to carry
-> Glocks.   I guess than when you are expecting trouble you want
-> the state of the art on your side and no less.  

I'm not disputing your points about Glocks, I own one and like it
a lot.  However, I would not base an argument on what the common
street officer carries.  First, many departments do not give their
officers a choice of gun to carry (or the choice is extremely limited).
Second, many officers are far less of experts wrt firearms than most
of us rec.guns subscribers.

Dana Rigg
From: jstrait@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (strait jeffrey c)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Problem with the Berettas?
Date: 8 Nov 92 13:26:25 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

anthrax@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:

## 
## Does Beretta has a lifetime warranty or such policy where if it
## happens, can I get it repaired or replaced?

#That's a good question.  I haven't had any problems with mine so I haven't had
#the need to look into that.  I can't recall if they have a lifetime warranty on
#their products or not.  The factory is, however, set up to deal with repair and
#replacments if something nasty were to happen.  

Beretta has a limited one year warranty. They specifically warn
against using +P and reloaded ammo.  So if you do that and crack
the slide you are screwed.

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------   
Jeff Strait                  |  jstrait@uiuc.edu
Coordinated Science Lab      |  or strait@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu 
1308 West Main Street        |  (217) 333-6444
From: C96@vm.urz.Uni-Heidelberg.de (Alexander EICHENER)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Fluted Rifle Barrels
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:16:34 GMT
Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany

In article <9211101344.AA28862@hpfcmgw.fc.hp.com> on
10 Nov 92 15:06:42 GMT Bart Bobbitt writes:

#Every once in a while, a rifle shows up at a range with a fluted barrel.
#Their owner's claim one or more of the following advantages:
#
#   * Stiffer barrel for the same weight as a plain barrel of equal length.

Plainly nonsense. They are stiffer than a plain barrel of equal *weight*.

#   * Improved cooling due to increased surface area.

Correct.

#   * Less stress as some of the metal is removed.

?? Doesn't make any sense to me.

Alexander Eichener <c96@vm.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Laser Guns (was Re: Arrow proof? Re: Bullet Proof Vests)
Date: 8 Nov 92 23:05:52 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Nov5.205146.6186@michael.apple.com> ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith) writes:
#I'd suggest that, as a first approximation, the 'power content' of
#the 'fuel' in a typical rifle cartridge is the power level needed
#to drive a lethal laser... 

Actually, about a factor of ten more is required for a laser: They
are very inefficient.

#(though I think
#the present designs for SDI produce horrid waste gases ... HF ?)

HF lasers were fairly popular with SDIO, when they were still looking
at energy weapons. The power comes from burning deuterium and nitrogen
trifluoride to produce excited hydrogen fluoride (actually, deuterium
fluoride...) I think this would also heat up the chamber quite a bit...
 
#I vaguely remember a Pop Science article from a few years back 
#that had a 'laser turret' on a tank body (this was reputed to 
#be acutal pictures of real DOD development systems) that was
#able to shoot down drone airplanes...

That would be MIRACLE (Mid InfraRed ? Chemicle LasEr). It was actually
ship mounted.

                                              Frank Crary
                                              CU Boulder
From: miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Sale Prices on Gun Safes
Date: 9 Nov 92 03:04:18 GMT
Organization: University of Kentucky, USA. -5 GMT

An alternative for some might be to turn an empty wall in the basement
or where-ever into a hidden storage compartment. One 4'X8' sheet of paneling
etc will hide quite a few rifles. Use the right hinges and do it right, and
only you will know theres an arsenal behind the sofa. :)
From: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Ladies' Gun Needed
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:17:28 GMT
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.

kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead) writes:
#A woman I work with has asked for advice wrt purchasing a self-
#protection firearm.  This gun will be used mostly for home protection,
#but may on occasion be carried (probably in a purse), so concealibility
#is a consideration.
#...
#This is *NOT* a gun that's going to get 200 rounds put through it every 
#weekend -  She'll probably shoot it a bit when she first buys it just 
#to learn how to use it, and then it will sit around "just in case".

 She still should take it to the range every month or so just to stay
 in practice.  When I "got back into shooting" 5 or so years ago, I spent
 an entire summer with a .22 pistol relearning how to shoot.  I went
 out to te BLM land 2 or more times a week, and took the NRA handgun
 course, and scored 100/100 on the shooting.

 The past 4 months I haven't been able to go shooting very much because
 of work and other reasons.  I finally managed to get out to the range
 a couple weekends ago.  After seeing the way I shot that day, I was
 depressed. . .

 The point is, shooting is like math, (for most of us): Use it, or
 loose it.  I never was an Olympic shot, and not even a competion level
 shooter, which makes practice even more important for me.  Living in
 a condo with shared walls, and having a school 250 yards north of us,
 hitting a target is even more important.  A miss could be diasterous.

 In addition being compentent and familiar with a gun can increase
 ones ability to defend themselves without even firing a shot.  If
 you know that you can shoot well, and are confident with your shooting
 skills, an agressor may "read" that confidence.  If you only used your
 gun a couple of times in 1989, and are unsure of your abilities, an
 intruder WILL read that uncertanity in you.

 I don't want to slam the idea of someone butying a gun for protection.
 Just realize that a gun is a tool that requires a certain level of
 skill to operate properly.  And like all skills, should be maintained
 through practice. 

                                Bill Vojak
                                Bill_Vojak@stortek.com
                                NRA, ILA, CFC

------------------------------------------
Anti-Gun President, Anti-Gun Congress,
Better buy what you want BEFORE Dec 31.
----------------------------------------
From: jamaass@bluemoon.rn.com (Jeffrey A. Maass)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: AMT .380, Colt Mustang, or other?
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:57:20 GMT
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])

scylax!tiglath@uunet.UU.NET writes:

# 
# someone@mimsy.umd.edu writes:
# 
# 
# #Lots of people, obviously, or they wouldn't be buying them.
# #The Glock, despite its "safe action" claim, is a single action
# 
# #(double action: trigger cocks and releases hammer,  
# #single action: trigger cannot cock hammer).
# 
# I disagree.  I will never ever have to cock a Glock pistol, a la
# single action.  I claim that makes a big difference.  As long as I 
# have a holster which covers the trigger, I feel a lot safer with a 
# Glock than carrying a typical single action piece "cocked and locked" .
# A cocked and locked gun is asking to get snagged in your clothing.
# 
# I am sure many people enjoy single action guns, I am not criticizing
# them.  My point is that when superior technology becomes available
# you stick to older designs at your peril.  God forbid you ever
# had to confront a foe with a Glock 21 with 14 45 ACP rounds in his gun,
# with a 1911 model in your hand.  All things being equal you are
# in serious trouble.  It is fine to go to a competition with a 1911
# but to carry a gun cocked and locked all day, would make me real
# uneasy.
# 
# People still like to shoot arrows and I bet it is terrific fun
# Many people like 1911 for their own reasons and thats fine too.
# Now, I have a habit to look at police officers' guns to note what
# he or she chose.  It is amazing how many of them chose to carry
# Glocks.   I guess than when you are expecting trouble you want
# the state of the art on your side and no less.  


Another, more pragmatic conclusion from observations of what
handguns are carried by police officers is to note that most
carry what their department orders (and authorizes) them to carry,
and that the choice is usually heavily weighted pn the side of
cost, not "state of the art".


Jeff Maass                   Amateur Radio: K8ND (@ W8CQK)
Powell OH (NW of Columbus)         Netmail: jamaass@bluemoon.uucp
From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Laser Guns (was Re: Arrow proof? Re: Bullet Proof Vests)
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:17:59 GMT
Organization: Boeing


In article <199211081930.AA07768@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
# 
##I vaguely remember a Pop Science article from a few years back 
##that had a 'laser turret' on a tank body (this was reputed to 
##be acutal pictures of real DOD development systems) that was
##able to shoot down drone airplanes...
#
#That would be MIRACLE (Mid InfraRed ? Chemicle LasEr). It was actually
#ship mounted.

No, that was HELTADS and was mounted on an LVT-7 chassis.  This is
the amphibious Marine landing tank.  Carries, normally, a squad
of Marines.  In this one, which I saw at Ft Bliss in 1975,
there was a small (3' dia) bubble with 'something' inside just
behind where the Tank Commander would be.  And in the back of the
vehicle was a generator that was large enough to take up the entire
back of the vehicle.

An article in Army Times a month later indicated the power range was
in the "Tens of Killowatts".  Considering the entire side of the
vehicle had cooling vents, I'd believe it.

I have, however, heard rumors that backpack man-portable particle beam
weapons exist...  8-)

Rick

-- 
Rick Pavek                       | Never ask a droid to outdo its program.
kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com    |           
Seattle, WA                      |   It wastes your time
                                 |          and annoys the droid.
From: bakc@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR KR COMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: fun things to shoot at
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:27:01 GMT
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa

In article <RTARAZ.92Nov5125515@bigwpi.WPI.EDU> rtaraz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:
#From: rtaraz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz)
#Subject: fun things to shoot at
#Date: 6 Nov 92 01:57:40 GMT
#
#After going to an indoor range for many times, I would like to take my
#Taurus 92 out side for a while.  I like to know what are some fun
#things to shoot at. (i.e.  A television tube should be alot of fun)
#
#rtaraz
#

Careful!  Those things go up like a small bomb.  My dad used to work in 
the TV manufacturing industry.  One of the tests applied to tube-glass 
density/impact resistance (or whatever) was to shoot at sample tubes from 
100 yards away with a 22 short.  Failure was denoted by a sizeable 
explosion and flying shards of splintered glass.  This in the UK back in the 
1950's so maybe the technology of tube manufacture has changed, but I'm sure 
that there a few old toooobs of that vintage out there in netland......

If you *really* must try this, kids: please *stand well back*, wear *eye 
protection*, and do it in an area where later visitors aren't going to be
annoyed and inconvenienced by slivers of glass.    Personally this type of 
shooting doesn't appeal one little bit.....

Cheers,
Keith Coman

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Condemning a research report on the basis of :  Dept of Management
 invalid and unreliable methodology is the    :  Rhodes University
 cheapest shot in the book."                  :  Grahamstown, 6140
                                              :  Rep of South Africa
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[MODERATOR:  Your Humble Moderator still recommends not shooting
at anything you can't easily clean up afterwards (as others have
recommended here as well.)   Its the right thing to do, both for
our environment and our image.]
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: INFO WANTED: Automag III cal. 30M1
Date: 7 Nov 92 16:06:10 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

loia@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Loia) writes:

#I'm interested in buying an Automag III chambered for .30M1 carbine
#cartridge.
#I have questions regarding:
#1) accuracy
#2) reliability
#3) power of .30M1 cartridge compared to .357mag

	Less power, more noise.

#4) cost of ammo compared to .357mag

	Isn't .30 ball pretty cheap?  I thought it was like $7.99
a box in sporting goods stores.   .357 is like $10-20.

Jim D
From: cramer@optilink.com (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: AMT .380, Colt Mustang, or other?
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:48:46 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA


In article <BxCxF5.IGI@scylax.uucp>, scylax!root@uunet.UU.NET (Operator) writes:
# The Mustang is single action.  A museum piece.  Who wants to carry
# locked and cocked anymore?.   I have a SIG P230.  which is as acurate

Anyone who wants that first shot to hit the target, not an
innocent bystander.

# as a small auto can be.  It is a little larger than the Walther PPK, but
# I like it because it has never jammed on me after thousands of rounds
# and you can feel the quality.  AMT can get close to that either.

While I recognize the merits of the double action/single action
design, and a DA/SA pistol is probably safer than a SA pistol,
ESPECIALLY on a tiny gun, you need all the help you can get to
make that first shot hit the target.

Also, I have found that I can cock the Mustang for the first
shot nearly as fast taking the safety off.

-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Racism is "class struggle" applied to ethnicity.
From: scot@hpfcla.fc.hp.com (Scot Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Eye injuries from telescopic sights
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:54:48 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site

Everyone (ok, not Everyone but most people in the US associated with big
caliber scoped rifles) has heard of this type of injury.  It is commonly
called "Weatherby Eyebrow" due to the reputation of Weatherby's being hard
recoiling guns.

Scopes come in a variety of eye reliefs and on any particular scope, the
amount of eye relief tolerable with a full image perceived is somewhat
variable.  Adjust your scope position accordingly and pay attention to what
you're doing.  No design can keep you from injuring yourself and you can
work with non-ideal equipment to have it function quite adaquately.

Sorry I can't help with published accounts, just lots of friend of a friend
stories.

-Scot
From: jheath@fieldofdreams.npirs.purdue.edu (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: "do it yerself" blue finish on rusting Lee dies
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:51:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: CERIS.1992Nov9.143220.14123
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

#From article <1992Nov8.051231.6168@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, by n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio):
# If the solution is not pure, for example if I put a bit of dish-soap
# on the metal surface to make application easier, will it
# change anything?
# 
# 	Lastly:
# 
# Is there some finish better than this that's cheap?
#

I believe I have heard of people getting them "armaloyed". 
-- 
"Land of song, said the warrior bard,           Jim Heath
Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)