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From: spart@cs.uq.oz.au (Geoff Green)
Newsgroups: aus.hi-fi
Subject: Wanted : program to calculate speaker position
Date: 13 Jan 93 05:26:38 GMT
Reply-To: spart@cs.uq.oz.au

Does anybody know of a public domain program (unix or dos) to 
calculate the optimum position of speakers in a room? I already
know of a commercial program called "The Listening Room" (TM), but
am not aware of anything free.

Geoff Green (spart@cs.uq.oz.au)
From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher)
Newsgroups: aus.hi-fi
Subject: Electronics Australia (Jan 93)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 08:36:57 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
Distribution: aus
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The January edition of EA has a large picture of a Sony digital
"dictation" recorder on the front....I just can't seem to find any mention
of the unit on the inside of the mag...am I going blind?  Anyone else
see anything mentioned about the unit somewhere inside?

Regards Scott.
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From: darren@runx.oz.au (Darren Challis)
Subject: Re: Electronics Australia (Jan 93)
Organization: RUNX Un*x Timeshare.  Sydney, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 00:55:36 GMT

>The January edition of EA has a large picture of a Sony digital
>"dictation" recorder on the front....I just can't seem to find any mention
>of the unit on the inside of the mag...am I going blind?  Anyone else
>see anything mentioned about the unit somewhere inside?

I understand the review is to appear in the February issue. I am not sure why
the photo is on the January issue.
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From: graeme@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Graeme Gill)
Subject: Re: Electronics Australia (Jan 93)
Organization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:58:41 GMT
Summary: Sucked In

In article <1igq39INN4qs@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) writes:
> The January edition of EA has a large picture of a Sony digital
> "dictation" recorder on the front....I just can't seem to find any mention
> of the unit on the inside of the mag...am I going blind?  Anyone else
> see anything mentioned about the unit somewhere inside?

	Yes, I was got by this trick too. It is just one of the products they
were show-casing on page 4 or something. EA is certainly stooping low these days ...

	Graeme Gill
Newsgroups: aus.bicycle
From: Quinn <quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au>
Subject: Re: bike shorts
X-Xxdate: Thu, 7 Jan 93 02: 53:19 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d13
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:54:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.225606.10537@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> Chris Heath,
csh@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au writes:
>... and they all suffer the same death, through
>stretching....

That's funny, my last pair suffered "death through being caught
between road and thigh".  Ouch O-: (-;

Quinn "The Eskimo!"      <quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au>     "Support HAVOC!"
Department of Computer Science, The University of Western Australia
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From: harold@cs.uq.oz.au (Andrew Wood)
Newsgroups: aus.bicycle
Subject: Re: bike shorts
Date: 6 Jan 93 03:49:02 GMT
Reply-To: harold@cs.uq.oz.au
Distribution: aus

In <C0Eovu.EyD@matilda.vut.edu.au> martin@matilda.vut.edu.au (Martin Schweitzer) writes:

>I have two pairs.  One with real chamois, the other, a Netti, with 
>synthetic chamois.  I prefer the synthetic chamois.  Giromondo,
>in Nicholson St. (I think) make some very nice pants at reasonable
>prices.

I have a couple of pairs of knicks made by Kelly (an Australian company
for the patriotically inclined) with synthetic chamois.
From what I have felt (intimatly!) and been told, the synthetic
chamois made by Nalini is very good. 

Synthetic chamois is easy to look after and doesn't suffer the 
'stiff as a board' syndrome when dried. It also seems to be more durable.

Andrew
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From: csh@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au (Chris Heath)
Subject: Re: bike shorts
Reply-To: csh@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au (Chris Heath)
Organization: University of NSW
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:50:44 GMT


--
In article <1993Jan7.025459.9797@bilby.cs.uwa.edu.au>, Quinn <quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au> writes:
|>In article <1993Jan4.225606.10537@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> Chris Heath,
|>csh@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au writes:
|>>... and they all suffer the same death, through
|>>stretching....
|>
|>That's funny, my last pair suffered "death through being caught
|>between road and thigh".  Ouch O-: (-;

Well i can't say that i have had that happen to me (must be my great
bike handling skills:-) which is why i didnt include that in my
previous post(-:

See ya
chris
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From: rsv@gdwb.oz.au (Roger Virgo)
Newsgroups: aus.bicycle
Subject: Re: bike shorts
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:23:08 GMT
Distribution: aus

heard@qut.edu.au writes:

>The only problem is that they can reveal the shapes of
>what is underneath in a mildly embarassing sort of way.
>The way around this is mind-set: not to feel embarassed.

I always use a pair of explorer socks :-).

Roger and out. 
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From: martin@matilda.vut.edu.au (Martin Schweitzer)
Subject: Re: bike shorts
Organization: Victoria University of Technology
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:19:05 GMT

In article <9300307.2840@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> pth@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Peter Timothy HURST) writes:
>Hi,
>
>After getting various bits of myself into a very uncomfortable raw state
>during a recent 200km ride, methinks I need bike shorts. I usually ride
>approximately 180km every week, but not in one go, which doesn't seem to
>cause problems.  
> Now, the question is what should I look for. Something tells me that the
> more padding, the better. Then again, prices range from about $40 to
I have two pairs.  One with real chamois, the other, a Netti, with 
synthetic chamois.  I prefer the synthetic chamois.  Giromondo,
in Nicholson St. (I think) make some very nice pants at reasonable
prices.

Martin


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From: sml@yarra-glen.aaii.oz.au (Steven Law)
Subject: Re: bike shorts (and Woodend)
Organization: Australian Artificial Intelligence Institute
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:29:01 GMT

fraser@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fraser Wilson) writes:

>geoffo@cs.unsw.oz.au (Geoff Oakley) writes:

>>On the down side, some people find wool uncomfortable to wear, and
>>wool knicks only come in Henry Ford colours.

>Uncomfortable?  My God, when I think about the effect that wool has
>on my arms being translated down there ... egad, its too horrible!

>Does anyone know of a cure for itchy wool?  It's something I'd like
>to like.

>(Oh, before I forget: rode to Woodend the other day.  I thought it
>was uphill a lot, but when one local informed that Woodend is, in
>fact, 18 000 feet above sea level, I was pretty impressed, and
>expected my calves to bulge into mountains of shapely muscle.
>I believe, however, that the figure may have been a slight
>exaggeration (can't think why)).

>Fraser.

Can't give you the exact elevation of Woodend (I think it's around 500m) but I
led a mountain bike ride in Castlemaine last August. On the train up it was
snowing around Woodend! We blamed Fred who was on our last mountain bike trip
which snowed. That was at the Cathedral's, the week after the snow season
began. At first it was fun riding through six inches of the stuff, but then
it became a real drag (literally!) and we ended up descending the range on
a slippery track in the dark.

My views on shorts (nicks):
Prefer lycra to wool, prefer the comfort of chamois but the convenience
(quick drying) of synthetics.
Tips for chamois care:
Hand wash with a good soap. To prevent it drying out too much don't rinse out
all the soap. Before wearing, sprinkle on some baby powder. Also rubbing
the chamois against itself helps to soften it.
There are quite a number of Aussie manufacturers worth supporting including:
Giramondo (they'll make clothes to order), Vlug, Netti, Kelly.
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From: geoffo@cs.unsw.oz.au (Geoff Oakley)
Subject: Re: bike shorts
Organization: CS&E, Uni of NSW, Australia
	<11591@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:54:57 GMT

A number of people have been commenting on the virtues on synthetic
chamois, with which I generally concur.  You might also consider
thinking about getting woollen knicks rather than the more common
lycra (ie, nylon).  

The advantages include: cooler in summer, warmer in winter, more
receptive to wiping greasy hands on, better perspiration handing, and
longer lasting.

On the down side, some people find wool uncomfortable to wear, and
wool knicks only come in Henry Ford colours.

I have both (wool and lycra) and find the wool much more comfortable,
expecially on long days.  Unfortunately, woollen knicks are getting
fairly hard to find these days.


geoff o

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From: fraser@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fraser Wilson)
Subject: Re: bike shorts
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:28:52 GMT

geoffo@cs.unsw.oz.au (Geoff Oakley) writes:

>On the down side, some people find wool uncomfortable to wear, and
>wool knicks only come in Henry Ford colours.

Uncomfortable?  My God, when I think about the effect that wool has
on my arms being translated down there ... egad, its too horrible!

Does anyone know of a cure for itchy wool?  It's something I'd like
to like.

(Oh, before I forget: rode to Woodend the other day.  I thought it
was uphill a lot, but when one local informed that Woodend is, in
fact, 18 000 feet above sea level, I was pretty impressed, and
expected my calves to bulge into mountains of shapely muscle.
I believe, however, that the figure may have been a slight
exaggeration (can't think why)).

Fraser.
Newsgroups: aus.bicycle
From: tosca@crispin_sun.cs.adfa.oz.au (Crispin Russell)
Subject: Re: bike shorts
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 06:58:31 GMT

In article <C0CoFr.L6n@research.canon.oz.au>, mpulver@research.canon.oz.au (Mark Pulver) writes:
|> 
(*** LOTS deleted about bike shorts ***)
|> 
|> Most important,  DO NOT wear underwear with bike shorts.

OK, I've got to ask, WHY NOT?  Is it just to show off your attributes better?

|> 
|> I can't speak from experience but I have seen bike shorts for the
|> female.

I should imagine that got your hormones racing!!!

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From: fraser@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fraser Wilson)
Subject: Re: bike shorts
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:59:40 GMT

chris@suite.sw.oz.au (Chris Maltby) writes:

>For the person who was worried about wool burns, remember that the
>most sensitive bits are protected by chamois. The wool only contacts
>parts of the posterior and thighs. I have never had a problem with
>my wool knicks...

Oh, the problem with wool is that it itches like crazy, anywhere
I put it.  There are people who wear woollen jumpers with nothing
underneath, or just a T shirt.  These are sick people.

Fraser.
Newsgroups: aus.bicycle
From: daavid@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Daavid Turnbull)
Subject: Re: bike shorts
Organization: Computer Power Software Group Pty Ltd
Distribution: aus
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 07:12:35 GMT

fraser@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fraser Wilson) writes:

>geoffo@cs.unsw.oz.au (Geoff Oakley) writes:

>>On the down side, some people find wool uncomfortable to wear, and
>>wool knicks only come in Henry Ford colours.

>Uncomfortable?  My God, when I think about the effect that wool has
>on my arms being translated down there ... egad, its too horrible!

Funny, I have a similar problem with synthetics.  So where can get a 
pair of these wooly wonders? (From one who has recently experienced
painful blisters between scrotum and thigh.)  Melbourne sources would
be appreiciated... better still in the eastern suburbs.

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Subject: Re: bike shorts
From: gareth@lucifer.latrobe.edu.au (Chief Smeghead)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 21:32:54 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: La Trobe University

In article <9300307.2840@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> you write:
>Hi,
>
>After getting various bits of myself into a very uncomfortable raw state
>during a recent 200km ride, methinks I need bike shorts.

[...stuff deleted...]

> Now, the question is what should I look for.

You don't want a central seam!! This is probably what got you on you're
200k+ ride. Ouch!! I prefer the `terry towelling' (sp?) inserts myself
only because they're easier to wash (IMHO) and they tend to dry faster.
There are the main things I look for.

[...stuff deleted...]

> Pete
>
>  pth@mullauna.cs.mu.oz.au

Gareth.

p.s. you should have got santa to buy you a pair...

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From: chris@suite.sw.oz.au (Chris Maltby)
Subject: Re: bike shorts
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Distribution: aus
Date: 11 Jan 93 05:13:06 GMT

In <1993Jan7.160752.27871@tplrd.tpl.oz.au> iana@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Ian Adamson) writes:

>I have found vasaline underpants the best - seriously.
>
>Back in the old days when we used nylon nicks (seventies), everyone used
>vasaline, now triathletes have discovered same, and keep a blob under the
>front of the saddle for in race lubrication.

Hang on, what _excatly_ are we lubricating? I always thought that the
reason for wearing no undies and the chamois insert was because the
chamois would stick to your sensitive skin and the wool/nylon/lycra
would slip and slide over the saddle thus avoiding the unpleasant
sensation of sensitive skin rubbed raw. The chamois is good because
it remains sticky to skin even when soaked with sweat.

For the person who was worried about wool burns, remember that the
most sensitive bits are protected by chamois. The wool only contacts
parts of the posterior and thighs. I have never had a problem with
my wool knicks...
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From: csh@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au (Chris Heath)
Subject: Re: bike shorts
Reply-To: csh@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au (Chris Heath)
Organization: University of NSW
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:56:06 GMT


--
In article <9300307.2840@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, pth@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Peter Timothy HURST) writes:
|>After getting various bits of myself into a very uncomfortable raw state
|>during a recent 200km ride, methinks I need bike shorts. I usually ride
|>approximately 180km every week, but not in one go, which doesn't seem to
|>cause problems.  
|> Now, the question is what should I look for. Something tells me that the
|> more padding, the better. Then again, prices range from about $40 to
|> well over $100 (I've seen as high as $140). The latter seems a bit 
|> much to me. Or do you get what you pay for? In short, I'm interested in
|> what others have experienced.

More padding you say? What sort of bike seat do you have.....if it is
thickly padded then you might not want more padding as there will be
a lot of pressure on the groin muscles.

Cost wise, yes $140 is somewhat steep, they must come with a free set
of steak knives:-) it has been my experience that the quality of bike
shorts doesnt vary that much, and they all suffer the same death, through
stretching....

Best thing to do is just by a pair and try 'em out:-)

chris

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From: heard@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.bicycle
Subject: Re: bike shorts
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:16:46 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

I never really bothered with cycling shorts until a
couple of 100 km rides wearing Stubbies shorts left me
chaffed and raw. The parts that cause the trouble are
the seams, where multiple thicknesses of the material
come between you and the seat. After 100 km the seams
were actually adhering to my raw flesh. 

I thought I owed it to my bum to at least try out a
pair of cycling shorts. I was specifically looking for
a pair without padding, not wanting too many
thicknesses of material. I couldn't find any, and
bought a lowish cost ($50) Cima pair. 

They have 4 pannels of synthetic chamois sewn together
without the joins being thick. On experience the 
thickness doesn't seem to be a problem. The chamois is 
soft enough to avoid chaffing, and doesn't seem to 
stick. The rest of the material has plenty of give, so 
there are no problems there either. I wish I had bought 
a pair sooner. I can recommend them from my experience.

The only problem is that they can reveal the shapes of
what is underneath in a mildly embarassing sort of way.
The way around this is mind-set: not to feel embarassed.


Take care
Ronno
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Subject: Re: bike shorts (and Woodend)
From: gareth@lucifer.latrobe.edu.au (Chief Smeghead)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:48:40 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: La Trobe University

In article <1993Jan8.002901.7507@yarra-glen.aaii.oz.au> sml@yarra-glen.aaii.oz.au (Steven Law) writes:

[...stuff deleted...]

>Tips for chamois care:
>Hand wash with a good soap. To prevent it drying out too much don't rinse out
>all the soap. Before wearing, sprinkle on some baby powder. Also rubbing
>the chamois against itself helps to soften it.

I heard the way to keep a real chamois comfortable is to rub lanolin into
the chamois after washing.

>There are quite a number of Aussie manufacturers worth supporting including:
>Giramondo (they'll make clothes to order), Vlug, Netti, Kelly.

I've had a pair of Netti's (real chamois), which lasted quite well (chamois
went in the end) but my favourite pair for short rides (under 2 hours) 
would be the Giramondo's with the `terry towelling' insert. They're
quite comfortable but their main point is that you can wash them at the 
end of a day and they'll be dry enough to wear the next morning. They
make great commuting nicks but for long rides in the saddle though, I'd
prefer nicely `lanolised' real chamois nicks.

Gareth.

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From: iana@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Ian Adamson)
Subject: Re: bike shorts
Organization: Telectronics Pacing Systems
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:07:52 GMT

I have found vasaline underpants the best - seriously.

Back in the old days when we used nylon nicks (seventies), everyone used
vasaline, now triathletes have discovered same, and keep a blob under the
front of the saddle for in race lubrication.

Moderation in everything ... especially moderation.
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From: tovey@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Gadget)
Subject: re-painting
Summary: painting an old bike
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 06:03:59 GMT

I have recently inherited an old Apollo mountain bike. I got it from a 
friend since I was sick of trying to straighten the wheels on my machine!
It needs a bit of work, which I am doing, but the question I have is this:
The frame has plenty of rust spots all over it, noticably from chain bounce.
I'd like to do something about the rust, but I'm not willing to put in the
time, effort, and money to completely repaint the bike. Patching the spots
is a possibility, but matching the colors would be hard (it's a frosted
silver color which has spent many years in the sun). Has anyone got any
bright ideas as to doing a reasonable and cheap job on this bike?

Thanx,
Gadget (cheapskate always)
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