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From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ABOUT CULTURE: small statistics
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:09:42 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne


In article <1992Aug13.124339.9275@bradford.ac.uk>, H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG) writes:
|> How many cultures are there in this crowded world?
|> 
(deleted)
|> 774     soc.culture.new-zealand:
|> 775     soc.culture.nordic:
|> 776     soc.culture.pakistan:
|> 777     soc.culture.polish:
|> 778     soc.culture.portuguese:
|> 779     soc.culture.romanian:
|> 780     soc.culture.soviet:
|> 781     soc.culture.spain:
|> 782     soc.culture.sri-lanka:
|> 783     soc.culture.taiwan:6368,6371,6465
|> 784     soc.culture.thai:
|> 785     soc.culture.turkish:
|> 786     soc.culture.usa:
|> 787     soc.culture.vietnamese:
|> 788     soc.culture.yugoslavia:
|> 
|> Note that Hongkong and Taiwan are listed
|> seperately. 

Shouldn't they be listed separately? Or why not Taiwan and China listed together?

Lin Can
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hanq@acf9.nyu.edu ()
Subject: health insurance
Organization: New York University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:06:54 GMT

Need information on health insurance for international students whose school 
does  not provide insurance. Please help.
From: H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Computer-net in China
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:56:16 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 90908648@ccw201


I tried to locate any internet-linked host in Beijing
and the now I can gave 4 host names in China:

 ica.beijing.canet.cn. 
 math.tsinghua.cn.
 ica.beijing.canet.cn  *
 math.tsinghua.cn  *

CND readers may find 'tsinghua','canet' familiar.
However the last 2 hosts ( have '*' with them) have 
their address unavailable therefore cannot be entered.
Further more, all the 4 hosts 'probably not 
directly connected to the Internet', experts  
had indicated. 

There are several domains with .cn in their names:

        beijing.canet.cn (unspecified)
        canet.cn (unspecified)
        tsinghua.cn (Tsinghua university, beijing, china)

But when will them be entered from Internet remain unclear.
From: H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Men-blood-drinkinq in China
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:33:07 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 90908648@ccw203

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I am not talking about 'Cannibalism in China'.


BUT:-


I refer those who are interested in 'tradition'
to Lu3Xun4's story 'Yao4'(medicine), in which Lu3Xun4
described how an old man use the blood of a newly 
excecuted revelotionary to cure his son's lung-illness.

It did not cure his son. It was a tragedy.

Prevent his-story (or simplely, HISTORY) from repeating
itself, shouldn't we?

AND:-

The are so many horror films produced by HOLLYWOOD + * * *
showing men-eating. So it is a Western CULTURE as well, isn't it?


Henry
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xyang@bcars279.UUCP 
Subject: Re: Protection bill
Reply-To: xyang@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:50:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.120240.24364@newstand.syr.edu>, jzhu@sunfish.syr.EDU (Jianxiong Zhu) writes:
|> 
|>   In the current version of the Chinese protection bill, it says that if 
|> somebody stayed in China for more than 90 days after Aprile 11, 1990
|> then he will no be covered by the bill.  I went back to China in the Summer
|> of 1990 for about a hundred days.  I also know a couple of friends of mine

I'm just wondering if you can FREELY go back, stay for more than 90
days, and return without any problem, why do you need PROTECTION then?
Protect you from what? prosecution from the communist? not likely they
will prosecute you anyways. Why bother, then?
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Could more light topics in China?
Date: 21 Aug 92 10:05:23 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Aug21.013542.2216@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu) writes:
>      Should we have more interesting, happy, light and new
>topics instead of those of tragic, dark, sorrowed on China.

Speaking of which.....

Does anyone know of any happy, funny Chinese short stories which are
comedies without any deep social message?
From: mlab3@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Utility to covert BIG-5 and GB
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:34:52 CDT
Organization: who cares

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From: zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Who is Wu? (that ex-prisoner guy)
Date: 22 Aug 92 15:19:37 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.china
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.


  I was reading an article about the human right situation in Chinese
prison the other day.  Anyway, there was this ex-prisoner Wu guy testified
before the human right committee, blab, blab, blab ....  I couldnot help
being caught up by the idea of what was this guy in for and how could he get
out the China.  There were some articles talk about him in SCC, but none
mentioned anything about Wu himself.  As far as i know, he could be
anywhere from a political dissident to a rapist (hardly likely though).
Anyone cares to give some insides (please state the source as well).
Thanks in advance.  
     
        Brian 

        
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Men-blood-drinkinq in China
    <1992Aug17.182318.14736@news.acns.nwu.edu> 
    <1992Aug18.215440.2930@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> 
    <1992Aug19.113307.12162@bradford.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:08:08 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG) writes:

>I refer those who are interested in 'tradition'
>to Lu3Xun4's story 'Yao4'(medicine), in which Lu3Xun4
>described how an old man use the blood of a newly 
>excecuted revelotionary to cure his son's lung-illness.

This story was for what reason is very clear, and history always shows us
two sides of story. On the road towards civilization, human seems to keep
something good for their survival as "tradition". Of cause something may be
wrong, but to say this story reflect the tradition of Chinese medicine that
is not correct. Can some one show us that there are these kind of thing
in traditional chinese medical book? What was the main stream: real
doctor or witch doctor (wu yi)? And which can be called tradition.

BTW: has anyone read a paper from Lu Xun about the curing of lung-illness?
He was a medical major once.

>It did not cure his son. It was a tragedy.

>Prevent his-story (or simplely, HISTORY) from repeating
>itself, shouldn't we?

>AND:-

>The are so many horror films produced by HOLLYWOOD + * * *
>showing men-eating. So it is a Western CULTURE as well, isn't it?


>Henry
From: etxmow@garboc34.ericsson.se (Mats Winberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Cannibalism in China
Date: 17 Aug 92 09:33:18 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Ericsson




       In today's "Dagens Nyheter" (17/8) the largest morning paper
       in Sweden, there is a long article claiming that many cases
       of cannibalism occured in China during the '60s. The article
       written by a Chinese, claims that tens of thousand of people
       were massacred and eaten. First they were condemned as "enemies
       of the people" and then slaughtered. I will spare you the grisly
       details, but the author claimed that the career in the communist
       party were easier for those who participated in the abhorrent 
       murders.

       Does the article lie ? Or did these cruelties really take place ?
       (To relate to another thread in s.c.c., no cannibalism took place
       in Norway during the '60s, to the best of my knowledge...)


       Mats Winberg
       etxmow@tore.ericsson.se
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Subject: Re: Do they really worth more?
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:28:24 GMT

In article <zhu.713589590@menaik> zhu@cs.UAlberta.CA (Eric Y. Zhu) writes:
>
>Some early-released reports already show that families of 
>foreign victims of the Nanjing jetliner crash will get much 
>higher compensations than people who are mainlanders.


	Where did you get these reports?  Could you provide some
reference?

	There was this misconception a couple of years ago when a crash 
occured in Guangzhou (or HongKong).  The difference then was actually that
all foreigners were *required* to buy expensive insurance before boarding
Chinese airlines while domestic pessengers were not.  The insurance payoff
makes the difference in compensation.

	It seems that such policy no longer exists.  From what I read in
People's Daily and CND, only 3 (?) people out of some 47 from Hong Kong
bought extra insurance.  They of course receive a relative big
compensation from the insurance company.  Others receive same amount as
domenstic people do, a very small number in international standard.

	By the way, I don't know if there is any foreigner in this 
Nanjing jetliner.  It seems only people from Hong Kong were involved
besides domestic ones.



    Eddie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ZWANG2@vm.ucs.UAlberta.CA (Zhenqiang Wang)
Subject: Looking for friends for friend
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:11:17 GMT

Hi, everybody,

I am looking for friends for my friend ZHNAG MINGCHU who is from Huazhong
Agricultural University in Wuhan now in U of A in Edmonton, Canada.

The friends Zhang Mingchu is looking for are: Lu Zhun, Ruan Yijun, Peng Ming,
Feng Jingan, and Liu Chengshow.

If you know any of them please send me a note. I don't read the news group
often, so please send your note to my e-mail addresses instead to the group.

My e-mail addresses: zwang2@vm.ucs.ualberta.ca
                     zwang2@ualtavm.bitnet

If any of the friends read this msg you can contact Mingchu at
(403)482-5818.

Thanks in advance.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: It seems meaningless to ask for Janpan's apology
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:40:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.211344.10606@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> txt15@po.CWRU.Edu (Tao  
Tao) writes:
> 
> I agree with you on this point.
> 
> Now the question is what is the best way to deal with this?
> 
> Two things:
> 1. Borrow as much as possible from Japan and the don't return the money;
> 2. Find some excuses and nuk the whole japan.
> 
> Take you pick.
> 
> Tao
> ##

If there are only two ways, I will take the first one! After all, will you feel  
better if you destroy 100 millian innocent people?

Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hl2a@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Haiyan  Liu)
Subject: Re: Protection bill
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:21:49 GMT

>|>   In the current version of the Chinese protection bill, it says that if 
>|> somebody stayed in China for more than 90 days after Aprile 11, 1990
>|> then he will no be covered by the bill.  I went back to China in the Summer
>|> of 1990 for about a hundred days.  I also know a couple of friends of mine

I bet 99% of the CHinese here would not be pesecuted.  Why IFCSS make a list
to ask those who want to be in the list that they would be in danger of
persecution and apply only for them in the refuggee status.  

If somebody would lie and sell other people 's interest to benifit themselves,
he might sell his wife to get green card too.  Green-card is more important
than everything else. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 04:45:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.235039.13576@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
>tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu writes:
>
>>I'm inclined to think China would have done the same to Japan if
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>they'd had half the chance. I don't see any reason to believe that
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Chinese value Japanese lives any more than Japanese value Chinese
>>lives. We know your gov't doesn't value its own citizens lives so why
>>should we expect otherwise? Lucky for Japan they were on the offensive
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>instead of the defensive, and that China was still too backward to be
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>a threat.
  ^^^^^^^^
>
>Well, I think this should be the conclusion of the discussion of this letter.

From this conclusion, now I understand why the wars in the Middle East is
justifized. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: honglin@apmaths.uwo.ca (Honglin Ye)
Subject: request info
Organization: Applied Mathematics, U.W.O
Distribution: all
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:18:56 GMT
Summary: no summary
Keywords: marriage insurance



Hi, folks,


Dose anyone know something about marriage insurance

in Ckina?


Thanks for posting related infomation in this news group


or email to:


Honglin@apmaths.uwo.ca
From: alee@iftccu.boeing.com (Alexander Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in China
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:56:06 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group


< Deleted rumors about cannibalism in China >

Hey, have you ever bother to know about cases of cannibalism right
here, in USA? In the civilized place named Milwaukee whereis whole
bunch of Norwaygian ethnic groups reside, and who, according to the
guy named Ingar Holst from Norway, constitute "the backbone of the
American moral", a homosexual killed and ate his lovers for years
before he got caught.

When police broke into his apartment, there were still many pieces
of human body in his refrigirator: heads, legs, sexual organs...

America surely does NOT need this kind of "moral backbone" coming
from Norway.
From: cangyuan@max.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Dare to Hate
Date: 21 Aug 92 01:44:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: max.1992Aug20.184418.1

Here is an encouraging note for those who is able to hate.
                Cang Yuan in Seattle
*********************************************************              

DARE TO HATE

Be brave
Dare to hate
Forget all these peace-priesting monks
Forget all these wimpy vioces and stinky logics
Hate the one you must hate
Let no one persuade you
Forgive only when you feel like to

Be free as your wild blood
Voice your hatred
Lift it from guilt and shame
Fist your hatred
Ready to revenge

It is also your love
To the ultimate degree

*********************************************************
From: lho@MENTOR.CC.PURDUE.EDU (Your Father)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in China
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:22:53 GMT

In article <199208171938.AA10725@thames.bu.edu>, lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU writes:

[deleted]

|> As one surviving the famine, I feel obligated to say that was simply a lie.
|> There was a famine from late 1959 to mid 1963. I know a village where half
|> of the population were starved to death. However, there was no such thing
|> as cannibalism happened in China in such period, to the best of my knowledge.
|> 
|> Some young friends may not understand why farmers did not rebel, so they
|> tend to accept the rumored cannibalism as truth.
|> 
|> The fact is: the Chinese overnment still managed to strictly control the
|> situation. How they could do that is another intersting question, but that
|> was a fact. No rebellion existed at that period. Period.
|> 
|> The Big Leap Forward and resulted famine is one of the most serious crime
|> of Lao Mao committed to Chinese people and nation. No problem about this,
|> but rumor about cannibalism is only an insult to those suffered.

What an argument!  Do you know everything happened in China?  May be you 
should give people more information how you survived? Where did you live and
what do you eat during the famine? That might provide more insight on which
your arguments are based on?

L Ho

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zliu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Zhong Liu)
Subject: Re: A lie
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 20:08:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.212000.24891@u.washington.edu> liao@milton.u.washington.edu (shiquan liao) writes:
>I don't see why China can not afford election. Maybe you mean China is
>not ready yet. Look around the world, there are some other places people
>can have free elections. At least China should try to develop a system
>that people will have a say about their leaders. There is no excuses for
>dictatorship whatsoever. 


We need to get rid of dictator system first. After that, free election 
makes sense.
>
>The election system in USA is not perfect, so much attacks on other side.
>But it at least gives people a feeling who they like or not. Do we know
>anything about the top guys in Beijing about their governing principles?
>Personally I don't.
>
>

I'm saying that the election scale like US may not be necessary because
it's too costly. What we need, in this stage, are a good democratic
system and  the quality of people's representatives.

Z. Liu
From: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: A lie
Date: 21 Aug 1992 20:54:40 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Reply-To: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.106

In article <1992Aug21.201317.10857@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> zliu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Zhong Liu) writes:
>
>Normal people in China only have voting rights to elect their
>community representatives. These representatives can only have
>right to be in city congress. National representatives  are 
>generated from community representatives.
>
>Basically such process fits the situation in China. China cannot
>afford an election like U.S. The quality of community representatives
>is big question. Voters barely know their candidates who normally
>are chosen by the CCP.

Are you saying that people elect their "community representatives"
from a slate chosen by the CCP?  Do the people have any input in 
who the candidates are ?  It seems obvious that the CCP would not
front any candidate who is too critical of the CCP.  

What is the Chinese term for these "community reprensentatives" ?
Do they have a fixed term of office, and clearly defined jurisdiction?
In other words, what powers do they have, and how are they related
to the city, regional, or provincial governments ?  As far as I
can tell, the National People's Congress, which I infer you mean
by "national representatives", is an advisory or consultative body
with no real power over the CCP.

Joe Huang
the 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Winner, Bush or Clinton?
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 01:16:55 GMT

In article <9208210022.AA28194@marlin.jcu.edu.au> phsj@MARLIN.JCU.EDU.AU (su jianfeng) writes:
>
I think Clintion will win! and I like it!
 Clintion sounded like worse than Bush toward China, but Clinton is
   stupid in international affair! His domestic economic policy is only
   "chasing duck to climb tree". His tough talk toward China indicates his
   ignorance in international politcal game, if not phony!
   

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Shut the Hell up! Some of you Netters!
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:13:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.230759.1941@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umhuang4@ccu.umanitoba.ca  
(Hui Huang) writes:
> In <1992Aug13.085535.15708@bradford.ac.uk> H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG)  
writes:
> >Agree with the last one. If we keep talking this way,
> >people around the world reading 'soc.culture.china' will
> >only become more and more and more convinced that 
> >CHINA DOES NOT HAS ANY CULTURE AT ALL!
> >    
> >Think it over, ladies and gentlemen.
> 
> Although I hate what you are saying, I will fight to death against anybody  
who
> dares to prevent your freedom of speech.
> -- 
> 
> Hui Huang		umhuang4@ccu.umanitoba.ca
> 			Tel: (204) 275-0165 (only between 2:00am and 3:00am) 
		

Freedom of speech is very different from freedom of curse!
A lot of people in this net are cursing around in stead of reasoning.

Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Famine in China!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 01:19:46 GMT

>(deleted)
>|> In late 50's and earlier 60's, thousands and thousands (perhaps millions) 
>|> of people  died of famine.  As far as I heard from local farmers, all the
>|> people in many villages in Huaibei region, where I lived for several 
>|> years, died of famine, no survivors.  What a terrible picture.  However,
>|> people in cities, especially young people, know littel about it because of 
>|> the media censorship.

This is untrue if the *young people* can be as young as 15, whose parents have
undergone it. A pack of potato saved my parents' lives, when they had nothing 
to eat but leaves in ShenYang. I never dared to ask how my parents lost their 
three children in the South, when they were in ShenYang. Yet my mother 
ocassionally mentioned one or two of them. Once we found an old photo of a 
child, and watched my mother burning it silently . It is painful to recall that 
terrible period, just as many very old western people have no desire to mention 
the Great Depression.  


Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:23671 talk.politics.china:743
From: cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: The Chinese Dream for That Small Little Thing: A Vote.
Date: 22 Aug 92 19:37:44 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Aug22.180747.395@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>In article <1992Aug22.031026.25951@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug22.004523.8822@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>>>In article <BtCHKA.6C3@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>>>>
>>>>Throughout my life and throughout the lives of my parents and
>>>>ancestors, we have never experienced that small little thing
>>>>called "vote" in China, a small little thing that has been
>>>>used to by Americans.

>>>There were elections before 1949!( Kuo Da Dan Biao were elected).
>>
>>    It's obviously those elections not fair and democratic, 
>>otherwise why no alternative for terrible leaderships of
>>Chiang and KMT at that time.

>You have hiden assumption: The "fairly and democratically" elected government
>or representatives are granteed "good leadership", which is not true.

       It can't make a sense from the assumption you offered. Do you believe
an election is a real election under autocracy? (Notice where those Guo2 Da4 
Dai4 Biao3 from? Did they represent the people in R.O.C. ever? Why they were
bad reputation and kicked off by Taiwan people?)

cqu