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From: jpalmier@rvgs.vak12ed.edu (Jim Palmieri)
Subject: X-USA in 28 days
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 16:26:44 GMT

Four years ago, I cycled across the USA from Florense Oregon to
Rehoboth Deleware in 28 days.  It was a real trip and one that
I used to celebrate my 40th birthday.  I met a fellow through
the Bike Centenial organization newsletter and we met and left
on the same day.  We still even talk to one another every so
often.  I will be doing it again this summer with one or two
friends from years gone by and will follow the same route I did
then.  WE traveled light, using plastic along the way ( the
average cost/night/person was $15.31.  It took us 28 days and
only rested for 2 of them.  

Is anyone out there planning on doing a cross country trip this
summer?  I have a lot of great information that can help any
first timer.  I got my information from a fellow that did it 7
times before and the eighth time he did it on a tandam with a
girl, they got married after that----TRIAL BY FIRE---.

Any information to be exchanged would serve each well.

Jim Palmieri
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                         North Cross School                   
                         4254 Colonial Avenue
From: brillant@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Rodney Brillantes)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Miyata, Bridgestone, Specialized I
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:19:27 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server


Am looking at a Miyata 914, Bridgestone RB-1, Specialized Allez Comp.  The
Miyata and Specialized Comp come with the Shimano 105SC group, while the
RB-1 comes with the Ultegra 600, and the RB-1 is a few $$$ more.

If you have any experience/knowledge/input about any of the bikes I would 
really appreciate your thoughts on them.  This will be my first real road
bike. Have been commuting on a MTB with slicks about 12 miles each way.

Either email or post here... Thanks in advance
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From: ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe)
Subject: Re: Shimano STI - lowest gear?
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Andover, MA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:16:36 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.160510.4935@gtephx.UUCP> corfmanr@gtephx.UUCP (Russ Corfman) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.143459.2386@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe) writes:
>> Specs on the standard Dura-Ace STI 8-speed derailleur are: rear cogs:
>> max 26T, min 12T, max difference in chainwheel teeth: 14, max total
>                    ======================================
>> difference (front plus rear): 26.  This would allow you to run a 13-26
>> rear and 39-52 front.
>
>I can't figure this one out. I just got an Ultegra rear derailleur for my
>TT bike and it said the same thing. I don't see any reason why the 
>difference between the smallest and largest chainrings makes a difference
>with the rear derailleur. It seems that the max total difference (front
>plus rear) is really the only one that matters.

Well, I'm not a mechanic, and I don't even play one on the net, but
I'll make a guess anyway.  One important adjustment for the rear
derailleur is the distance from the top jockey pulley to the cog.
This is adjusted using the screw that pushes against the dropout to
vary the angle of the derailleur with respect to the dropout.  Shimano
suggests that you get the pulley-to-cog distance to be within a
certain range with the chain on the small chainring.  Increasing the
small-to-large chainring difference increases the chain tension when
you shift to the large chainring, which in turn pulls the jockey
pulley closer to the cogs.  So if your chainring difference is too
large, it may be impossible to adjust the pulley-to-cog distance to be
correct for both the small and large chainrings.

>I'll bet there are a lot of cyclists using a 39,53 chainring combination
>without any problems...

39,53 is a difference of 14, which is allowed by the specs.  I was
only using 13-26/39,52 as a possible configuration for someone who
desires as low a gear as possible.  I use 12-21/39,53 without any
problems, and, according to the manual, I could go to 12-23/39,53.

John_Ampe@att.com
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From: paxton@movies.enet.dec.com (Alan Paxton)
Subject: Re: Computer that is easy to switch between bikes?
Reply-To: paxton@films.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Co, Edinburgh
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 11:47:14 GMT


Jobst Brandt on Avocet cyclometers says

> Unfortunately the AVO40 and AV050 are not suited for mixed use with
> two different wheel sizes because they store arbitrary units that
> are converted to user units on output in metric or English units.
> This means you can switch units easily without error but changing
> the calibration number changes the distance traveled.  This, as was
> mentioned earlier, is to be corrected on the next software turn.

Does this mean that when I move my Avocet from a 27-inch wheel to a
700c, and recalibrate, that I've suddenly done 3% (or whatever) less
miles for the year ?
So I infer that it records ticks, and multiplies these by the calibration
on display, rather than storing the sum over time of ticks*calibration.
The metric/imperial switch I like. But why can't I climb in metres and
travel in miles ?

It looks like I'll have to fit 700Cs to the spare bike then. The tires
will have to be 23s as well :-)

--
Alan Paxton, DEC VMS Europe,	[paxton@films.enet.dec.com]
Livingston, Scotland.		I don't speak for DEC.
+++ "I can't forget, but I don't remember what" +++
From: marcus@sun.pcl.ac.uk (Marcus Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Slick tires for mountain bikes.
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:17:46 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic of Central London

In article <s53hmINNfal@agate.berkeley.edu> dchoi@physics (David Choi) writes:
>I just got some Specialized 1.25" Fat Boys for my mountain bike. . . and 
>boy, what a difference!  I used to have some cheapo 1.95" knobbies that 
>came with my bike and they sucked both off-road and on.  So now I have
>2.1" Panaracer Smoke tires for off-road and 1.25" Fat Boys for the street.
>
What's with the new Onza Octopus tyres that are supposed to grip well on road?
They've got kinda suckers on like the underside of those rubber mats old or
wobbly people put in the bath! Do they really work well on road?

I want to get some road tyres for my bike (I was thinking of the Avocet inverted
tread ones) but I'd love to have white ones like my Porcs! Anyone know anything
about the new Octopus's?

Marcus Harvey, Polytechnic of Central London IRS
marcus@uk.ac.pcl.sun - JANET  marcus%sun.pcl.ac.uk@ukacrl - BITNET/EARN

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From: jwgst2+@pitt.edu (James W Gourgoutis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: I need help with my new shoes
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:00:50 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


Hello.  After considering all of the wonderful advice I got via e-mail on 
what type of shoe to buy (touring or racing) I bought a pair of racing shoes.
The shoes I bought are Specialized "Pro-Dogs" (strange name, huh?).  They are
black and silver with a neon yellow-green stripe on the side, and have velcro
for closure, instead of laces.  I like them a lot, and I got them for half-pricebecause they were on sale for $45 as a carry-over model.  At least that's what
I was told in the bike shop.  They were supposed to cost $90.
	Anyway, my question is this.  After about 30 mins. of riding, THEY
HURT LIKE HELL!  I'm pretty sure that I have the cleat adjusted properly.
Incidentally, I'm using standard pedals with clips and straps.  Is this pain
normal and to be expected until they break in?  Or do I need to do something
to correct the problem?  It seems that they do not have enough arch support
for my feet.  I am considering replacing the in-soles with a pair from my
Nike cross-training sneakers.  These new insoles seem to fit well, and although
I haven't tried riding with them yet, they seem like they would be comfy.
	The standard insoles do not have any kind of arch support or padding.
Please help!  I need to fix this!

  	Thanks!

		James Gourgoutis
		Senior, Mechanical Engineering
		University of Pittsburgh
		e-mail me at:  JWGST2@vms.cis.pitt.edu
		Thanks!
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From: gtchen@glacier.berkeley.edu (George Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Car vs Cycle vs Bike vs Ped--The Main Point
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:07:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.s1tknINN1m6
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
NNTP-Posting-Host: glacier.berkeley.edu

In article <5408@otc.otca.oz> elson@otc.otca.oz.au (Elson Markwick) writes:
>I think the point Mike was making is that *most* drivers obey *most*
>road rules, whereas *most* bicyclists break *most* rules.  Speed
>limits is the obvious exception - many drivers break that one.
>However, most of the drivers I see drive on the correct side of the
>road, most signal their intent to turn clearly, most are illuminated
>driving at night, most do *not* drive on the footpath (is riding on
>the footpath illegal in the States?  It is here.), most don't run red
>lights and so on.  I see a *much* higher proportion of cyclists
>breaking those rules.  Don't forget that there are also many more cars
>on the roads than bikes, so although there are probably more cars
>break road rules than bikes, the *proportion* of them is lower.  And
>I'm sure that bike riders break speed limits whenever they can too....

Well, in my experience, here are the rules that I've seen cyclists, drivers,
and motorcyclists break:

					Car	Bicycle	Motorcycle Walker

Running a red light			x	x	x	   x
Running a stop sign			x	x	x	   x
Crossing broken yellow (legal)		x	x	x
Crossing solid yellow (illegal)		x	x	x
Crossing centerline in a dangereous	x		x
 (ie. limited visibility) area
Speeding				x	x	x
Speeding (+10)				x	x	x
Speeding (+20)				x		x
Speeding (+30)				x		x
Speeding (+40)				x		x
Speeding (+50)				x		x
Speeding (+80)				x
Failure to yield with 5+ trailing	x	x
 vehicles (CA rule)
Failure to use turnout with 5+ trailing	x	
 vehicles (CA rule)
Improper Illumination			x	x		   x
Complete lack of nighttime light	x	x		   x
Operating in a Bicycle Only lane	x	x		   x
Operating in a Car Only lane		x			   x

I won't make any claims as to proportions since any such claim
without hard facts is pure conjecture--we do tend to bias our
perceptions to target the negative.

So, which group would you rather be a part of???
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From: wentzel@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Kevin Wentzel)
Subject: Re: BICYCLE CRASH
Organization: HPLabs, Palo Alto CA
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 15:19:22 GMT

>    I almost never yell at other cyclists who are doing ...

Can't help it, I had to add to this one, 

     Fully outfitted cyclists (helmet, shorts, jersey etc) who are
     riding the wrong way on the sidewalk ("because they don't like
     making left turns").

Proper comment:  "Where are your training wheels?"

Kevin

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From: lara@sgi.com (Lara J Allen)
Subject: Re: BICYCLE CRASH
Organization: Silicon Graphics Computer Systems,  Mountain View CA.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:11:49 GMT

In article <65481@apple.Apple.COM> ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House) writes:
>>I HAVE seen the aftermath of both options. In the case of the car door, there
>>was a very pissed off biker and a damaged bicycle. In the case of the car
>>swerving into traffic, the guy was rushed to the ER at UCSF (he made after
>>3 days in ICU).
>>
>
>Not all aftermaths are created equal.  A bicyclist was killed in Santa Cruz
>last year when a cager opened his door in front of the cyclist.  I don't
>know any details, I'm afraid.

it's true.  Guy was riding his bicycle without his helmet...not
going very fast.  Some cager opened his door, bicyclist did
a flip and cronked his melon.
no more bicyclist.
Quite devestating.

Also last year a visiting professor at San Jose State
also cronked her melon by running into a cage...she
too wasn't wearing a helmet.  She was in a coma for
a while and suffered from amnesia.  She's relearning
how to do lots of things.

rule number 321
if you're going to cronk your melon without a helmet...REALLY
cronk your melon :-)


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From: pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock)
Subject: Re: Women using Flite Saddle
Keywords: saddles
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:34:30 GMT

In article <jgp0o5k@dragon.wpd.sgi.com> jeannine@skyline.wpd.sgi.com (Jeannine Smith) writes:
>Are there any women out there who have tried the Selle Italia Flite
>saddle? Any opinions - good or bad - are welcome.
>
>I'm getting ready to buy a new Trek 5200, and have to decide whether to
>try to admittedly light and sexy-looking Flite saddle, or replace it with
>something designed for women.
>
>I've been using a Selle Italia "Lady Turbo" saddle on my Vitus,
>which seems to be the only women's racing saddle on the market. It's firm
>(I hate gel saddles) but slightly wider than the men's Turbo model, and
>I've found it very comfortable.


I know many of you are going to be quite surprised hearing this from me ...
but I have been using a Flite saddle on my commute/mountain bike for the
past 2 months ... GASP.

And I think it is great. Of course I haven't ridden more than 35 miles
at one time with it, but I plan to put it on the tandem this weekend
and see how it does for a century. 

Their was a (vertically challenged - according to Giles) woman from
the DC area using a Flite saddle on the back of her tandem in PBP this
summer and she seemed quite satisfied with it. 

I have used a woman's saddle for years. Each time I retire one, the 
indentations prove that my sit bones are set far apart and that a narrow
saddle really shouldn't work for me, so I'm not quite sure why the flite
saddle seems so comfortable. Time will tell. 

I'd go ahead and try one, if you don't like it you can probably easily 
sell it!



-- 
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Kodak Electronic Printing Systems, Inc             4 down, 8 to go!
164 Lexington Road, Billerica, MA 01821-3984       Darn, we got in!
 
From: allana@hpmwtd.HP.COM (Allan Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:38:04 GMT
Subject: Re: TDF on FOX Network LIVE!
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD). - Santa Rosa, Ca.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

if it's true, I'm buying a TV and a VCR!

Allan
From: euahac@eua.ericsson.se (Hakan Carlson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cellular biking hazards
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:08:05 GMT
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden

les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest) writes:

>[From San Jose Mercury News, 3 April 1992.]

>Monica Seles sprained her wrist this week after taking a tumble on her
>bike while pedalling in Sarasota, Florida.  The tennis player's
>cellular phone went off in her handlebar basket and when she reached
>to answer it, she lost control and  .  .  .  crash.

The other week when I was out jogging I was almost biked-into by a
female (yuppie?), riding a very smart looking bike, trying to dial
a number on her hand-held cellular phone, coming round a corner.

Here in Sweden we call hand held cellulars for 'Yuppie-bears' as
in teddy-bears :-)


Hakan Carlson
ELLEMTEL Telecommunication Systems Laboratories
SWEDEN
MAIL: Hakan.Carlson@eua.ericsson.se
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From: clb@hp835.mitek.com (Chris Boyd)
Subject: Re: Stupid Huffy Ad
Organization: OpenConnect Systems
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:33:21 GMT

ooo@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (paul.d.schmitter) writes:
>Anybody else see the new Huffy TV commercial?  The riders are wearing
>the now requisite helmets, but their seats are so low that I'm surprised
>they don't get black eyes from their knees hitting their heads.  When
>will the marketing types learn; or do they already know and they're just
>trying to accurately represent the Huffy-buying public?

Is this the one where they are riding down the ski slope?

Would anyone really trust their life to a Huffy MTB that was
assembled by a department store?

Huffy, Murray and others like them are fine bike to leave in the
garage.  I've just seen too many broken bikes after people really
rode their cheapo bikes.
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From: praetzel@tesla.waterloo.edu (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: Do clipless pedals hold tenaciously in an accident?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:41:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.171503.21267@kestrel.edu> king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes:
>If you get thrown by something you can't react to [such as a chunk of metal
>suddenly locking your front wheel] will the force release a clipless pedal? 

Well from personal experience I can say that my Shimano's have release more
than a handfull of times.  Yes Les this is how my helmet earned the name
skid lid and how it recieved a few of its scars.  Twice last year I was
switched by a rider who was slow out of the corner and swung his bike into 
my front wheel (I am very hesitant about overlapping my front wheel now and
I don't care too much about who is behind me when I brake for people like 
this).  In both cases I could see it coming (you know one little tap, then
the second and then wham the wheel goes sideways and you are airborn) but
did not remember reacting in any way.  The skid marks on my shoes clearly
indicate that my feet got out and were sliding for a bit on the pavement before
I decided it was time to get some road rash.  Any motion that twists the bike
from under you will probably release your feet. The moral of the story is
that if you do crits keep a sharp eye out, don't overlap wheels and if possible
make sure you are good enough so that you can TT away at the start :-)
  // Eric 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: crayjohn@cc.utah.edu
Subject: Are there NO cyclists in Nashville?????????
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: 15 Apr 92 08:43:35 MDT

Are there NO cyclists in Nashville?  A while ago I submitted
a post querying people as to the biking possibilities in
Nashville (as I may be moving there).  The only response I
received was from a person in Alabama.  Is he the closest
cyclist to Nashville?  Is there even a bike shop in Nashville?
Any responses would be appreciated!

Thanks,

Chris Johnson
Univ. of Utah
internet: cjohnson@math.utah.edu

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From: jackson@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Bruce Jackson(sysadm))
Subject: Re: BICYCLE CRASH
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 00:04:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.175759.3654@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>In article <ku2l5eINNfm2@bovina.cs.utexas.edu> varvel@cs.utexas.edu (Donald A. Varvel) writes:
>>In article <3216@tegra.COM> hull@tegra.COM (Andy Hull) writes:
>>

>>   drunk drivers).  Nearly all accidents occur at intersections.
>>   Vehicles approaching intersections in a traffic lane will
>>   be seen by anyone paying the slightest attention to
>>   traffic.  Vehicles approaching intersections in the gutter
>
>Most motorcyclists will assure you that there is a considerable contigent of
>drivers who do NOT see you approaching an intersection, whether or not
>you are in the left, right, or center of the lane. And those who DO pay
>attention, WILL see you no matter where you are in the lane.

You are correct here.  I *always* try to make eye contact before I
assume that the driver saw me.  This is good for two reasons.  First
if you make eye contact you know the driver say you.  Second, few
people have the guts to look you in the eye while the run you down.
I guess it's some psychological thing but when people blow through
an intersection where I have right of way they never look me in the
eye; they look away even before proceeding.

>>   on on the sidewalk will seldom be noticed.  In addition,
>>   riding (or driving) too close to parked cars will eventually
>>   result in a collision with an opening door.
>
>Preferable to having a car swerve in front of you to get into traffic.

No it's not.  On a bicycle a glancing blow from the side will not even
knock down a good rider.  Several times I've had cars and busses pull
out like this.  I like to lean against the vehicle and pound on it
with my fist.  Kind of a "wake up Bozo" greeting.  This gets their
attention.  Running into an open door would be much worse.

>>elsewhere.  In all states bicycles are vehicles or have all
>>the rights and responsibilities of vehicles (some word it one
>>way, some the other).
>
>You'll have to explain this a bit. Are you saying that in all states. bicycles
>are treated the same as motor vehicles? This is assuredly NOT true.

Except for limited access roads, bicycles *do* have the exact same
rights and responsibilities as motor vehicles.



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From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Running down bicyclists
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:12:18 GMT

In article <#+t}9sh=^@twinsun.com> goose@twinsun.com (Jennifer Bing Zheng) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.032126.3890@uunet.uu.net!trintex> elr@uunet.uu.net!trintex (Unix Guru-in-Training) writes:
>>
>>When the cops showed up, they were loath to take
>>her bike (they tried to make the ambulance driver take it).  When she
>>had recovered enough to pick her bike up from the precinct, the officer
>>who returned it gave her a lecture -- "You must be crazy to ride your
>>bike in this neighborhood."  
>
>Does anybody else out there care for such a cop?  I sure don't!

Many times cops will give you advice based on their experience, not on what
"you have a right to do" (eg, going into certain neighborhoods after dark,
riding your bike on certain streets, etc.) While I do not always welcome
such comments from cops, I do bear in mind that this is JUST GOOD ADVICE
and you need not necessarily heed it.

Mike
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From: rcorley@voyager.webo.dg.com (Rich Corley)
Subject: New Bike
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:22:21
Distribution: rec
Organization: ASD, Data General Corp., Westboro, MA

I am planning on purchasing a new bike in the very near future and I
was wondering if anybody out there had any recommendations.  I am
looking for a road bike that will take me to and from work (about 30
miles / day) and cost between $300 and $400.  Any suggestions?  Thanks
in advance.

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