From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: Chinese Nationals Came Before 4/1/90 Will Have Greencard.
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:28:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.180829.16848@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>, kniaz@rt2.cs.wisc.edu (Joel Kniaz) writes:
<In article <1992Apr9.060918.5885@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
<>In article <1992Apr9.022733.10664@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>, kniaz@cat3.cs.wisc.edu (Joel Kniaz) writes:
<><
<><	I am of the opinion that anyone who has the ability and intention 
<><	to contribute  to the welfare and growth of this country should
<><	be allowed to immigrate.
<>
<>So am I.  I'd go so far as to open the borders completely.  (Would you?
<>I doubt it, and I'm quite sure that my FGNC flamers would not.  Doing so
<>would greatly increase the competition for them!)  
<
<	You are right.  I would not open the borders completely.

You're not being very consistent, then, are you?

<	As for how 'far' you would go: considering your well-known
<	intention to bail out of this country, you don't have much  
<	credibility as having a real investment in its future.

I wouldn't invest anything (tangible or otherwise) in the future of the US.
That doesn't mean that I don't want it to improve.  (But what's an improvement
to you may not be an improvement to me.)

<>What I can't stand is
<>dishonesty.  Lying to congresslime (like Pelosi) and immigration officers
<>about the situation in one's country is dishonest and should not be
<>tolerated
<
<	I don't remember seeing congresswoman Pelosi's name mentioned
<	in either the article, or the legislation.

Then you have a good memory, as her name was not mentioned.

<       You have synthesized
<	an unsupportable,  unrelated non-sequitor to object to this much
<	needed legislation.

First, there is no "much needed legislation" (although a much-needed hyphen
is missing there).  Second, I haven't "synthesized" any "non-sequitor [_sic_]".
Pelosi is the champion of FGNC in Congress.  Just ask any FGNCZ.

When I mentioned Pelosi (_Pi4_losi, or maybe _Pi2rou4_si, for _pi2 xiao4
rou4 bu2 xiao4_ :-)), I wasn't talking about this legislation.

<>--especially when it worsens one's country's international image
<>(and therefore one's countrymen's standard of living).
<
<	Since when have you been concerned about "one's country's 
<	international image?"

I'm more concerned about my country's *deeds*.

<       You have  been bashing 'your' country's
<	international image for years.

Open your eyes, Joel.  This country does not have that great an international
image.  And you're a damn fool if you think that anything I've done has
brought that about.

<       (Until you do emigrate, this
<	country is still, technically, yours)

Fine, but don't expect me to sing "Stars and Stripes Forever" (or even
"This Is My Country").

<	I do not mean to imply, however, that you have necessarily been
<	dishonest or inaccurate in your criticism.

Good.

<><       I am totally unconcerned about the 
<><	rationalization or political posturing  that may occur toward 
<><	achieving this goal.
<
<>How is the proposed legislation going to help us in "achieving this goal"?
<>It will quite simply result in favouritism for PRC citizens.  And that
<>favouritism is not justified.
<
<	Insofar as the goal consists of widening  the borders to 
<	those having the "ability and intention to contribute to 
<	the welfare and growth of this country," this legislation
<	certainly would make progress towards "achieving this goal."

It's not *widening* anything!  The US imposes a ceiling on the number of
people that may immigrate each year (and on the number that may immigrate
from each country; this varies from country to country, mainly for political
reasons).  The legislation would not raise the ceiling; it would only take
re-allocate the openings.

Why not go and post the proposal (every detail) to `soc.culture.indian' and
see what a reception it gets?  I guarantee you that Congress would get a
thousand 'phone calls the next morning from "concerned" netters.

<	As for your implication that I am biased towards PRC citizens,
<	this may be true to some extent (my SO would certainly benefit 
<	from this legislation),

AHA!  The truth has come out!

					--Scott

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