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From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: When did you practice
Date: 19 Nov 1992 16:55:06 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <19223@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> matthews@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Thomas W. Matthews) writes:
>I think that the Freelancers practice 10 AM to 10 PM during the summer.
>At first, I wondered why they would waste so much cool daylight
>(from sunrise to 10 AM) and practice in the heat.  Later, I
>reasoned that since the corps has to compete late at night,
>the practice schedule was chosen to keep the marcher's
>"body clocks" on regular time.
>
>I just read a posting where someone mentioned practicing rather
>early in the day.  
>
>What experiences have others had, and do you think I'm right about 
>the reason for not starting early in the day?
>

I know that when we where home in '88, we rehearsed 10-10 so that people
could miss traffic and wake up at a reasonable time to drive to rehearsal.
When we were in Kansas City for championships, we rehearsed 1-1 because it
was way too hot to be out all day.

>Tom Matthews

--David


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From: sradeker@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Radeker)
Subject: Re: Madison 93 show
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In article <Nov14.171052.51230@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon) writes:
>I also think that looking back is a healthy thing that the activity is
>sadly getting away from because the judges demand innovation.  But I don't
>see why playing a piece that was played before can't be innovative.
>None of the performers (and probably few of the staff or writers) were
>around in 81, and you know the visuals, drill, arrangements will be
>very different.
>
I agreee totally!!!!!!  There is something to be said for history and
the repetition and slight variation on it.  To further you point about 
different performers, I think I'll state the obvious.  Each year the corps
have different strengths and weaknesses.  I think that the same piece
played twelve years later will sound quite different, if only for the
reason that the strong and weak sections will alter the way the music
is arranged and played.

>Let me add, finally, that at the end of every season I feel sad that
>I'll never, ever, see these shows again.  Worse, people who discover
>the activity the next year will have never, ever see these shows.
>So why not reach back for some of the most thrilling moments and let
>people enjoy them -- either again, or for the first time.  Some of these
>moments might also be a thrill (and an education) to perform.

Again, I agree.  It's unfortunate that the only way to be innovative is
to see which corp can pick the most obscure and un-marchable piece of
music and then write a show around it.

Scott
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From: SFINE00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (Fineman, Stephen Elliot)
Subject: Re: Trivia
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:25:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.041603.7388@hubcap.clemson.edu>
rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry) writes:
 
>>9.  Symphonic Metamorphosis
>
>Sky Ryders - 1989.  No idea who wrote it though.
>
  The original is by Paul Hindemith.  It's a great piece - I played a trans-
cription of it for wind ensemble.
--
  Steve
  Crossmen sop line '92-
 
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From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Opinions are like....Here's mine
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:28:36 GMT

>Who did you march with and when?? 

Belleville Black Knights 1977-1982
Suncoast Sound 1985

>I marched in '91 and had a great year.  However, I always
>wanted to play some of the older Scouts music.

I would imagine you did, CoA has some wonderful music.  Which section
did you march in?

While I was at Suncoast, we read a *lot* of old music.  (We even
memorized the 1983 version of Greatest Love of All.)  I enjoyed playing
though that music, but I didn't want to go public with it.  I've always
felt that if you don't have the time to do something right, maybe you
don't need to be doing it.  The last time that chart was played,
Suncoast placed 6th with it.  Having us hack our way through it would
detract from that, IMHO.

Of course, having the chart for an entire summer would allow you to
improve on the original.  But you would *have* to improve on it.
Rehashing the old music is not enough.  (I think this was part of
Phantom's problem this summer, their 1812 production wasn't all that
much different than it was in 1983 and 1984.)

>The Scouts may get slammed for playing old tunes and "regressing
>DCI", but mark my words the members of the corps will be having the most fun
>of any other corps on the field.  It says something about a show when you have
>members from as far back as '88 and'89 returning to march because of the music.  
This is excellent, I really feel that this is what drum corps is really
all about.

>This is my age-out year and I plan on living it to the fullest.  So
>what if top 5 is not in the cards this year.  I don't march with the
>Scouts for the reason of winning or placing in the  top5.  This
>activity was ultimately founded on the people sitting in the stands and
>a good crowd response beats anything else.  Like I said before, this is
>only my opinion but I kind of doubt I'm alone.

I wouldn't be so sure about Madison not placing in the top-5.  You can
never count them out of the running.

Everyone marches for different reasons, just as you march for the
experience, some march only to win.  If shows were won based on
crowd-appeal alone, then VK and Madison would probably tie for the win
every year.  I like to think there's more to show design than an appeal
to the crowd.  I think shows should be designed first and foremost to
help the performers have the richest experience possible; secondly,
try to push the activity in new directions, and thirdly, to go for the
crowd reaction.

I honestly believe that the average drum corps audience is become more
sophisticated year by year so that the above design concerns are not as
mutually exclusive as they once were.

>Peace  
Indeed.

Later,
Bob
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From: ERB107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU (Elizabeth R. Bain)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re:  Is there a "Storm" brewing?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 12:01:35 -0600
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Thanks for the info.

Liz.
erb107@psuvm.psu.edu
The Pennsylvania State University  (University Park, PA)
From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: ATTN VOTERS AND Phil E.!!!
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:16:07 GMT
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In article <1ebgenINN9k7@early-bird.think.com> fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
>
>IT APPEARS THAT THE SITE FOR VOTING FOR rec.arts.marching.*****
>IS NOT WORKING AT THE MOMENT!
>
>Phil,
>	I got this message when trying to write to you and several other
>people have written me to say that their votes have bounced when sent
>to rmm-vote@blackcat.stortek.com.
>
>EVERYONE -----
>SO, if you haven't voted yet, please hold your vote until you see here that
>everything is back in order.

There's no problem with blackcat; votes have been received in the last hour
or two with no problem.

There's no reason to defer voting at this time.

--phil
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From: rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke)
Subject: Re: 1992 CD's
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:48:33 GMT

In article <Nov.18.15.43.28.1992.23200@andromeda.rutgers.edu> dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
>
>
>I phoned DCI headquarters today and was told that they
>expect the CD's to be in at the very end of this month.
>
>Also, you can still order them now, but as soon as they
>are sold out they are out of print so the earlier the order
>the better.

They haven't really run out that fast in the last 2 years.  I saw the CDs
for sale at WGI Nationals and they were still selling the '91 tapes
at WCs this year.

Anyway, you have to be crazy, or poor, to wait to buy the CDs- assuming that
you are a drum corps nut.

Rob
(rdorocke@ucs.indiana.edu)
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:46:30 EST
From: Elizabeth R. Bain <ERB107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Snares on top, pipebands (was Re: Snare Technology)
 <pm860605.10.721514608@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu> <BxLyuK.9Mn@apollo.hp.com>
 <1992Nov13.014006.25727@vela.acs.oakland.edu>

Scottish festival?  Where???  I'm from the area myself, and I hadn't heard
of one in Canada until jsut now.  I know there is a huge fest in Alma each
year (although I've never attended).

Liz.
erb107@psuvm.psu.edu
The Pennsylvania State University  (University Park, PA)
From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Madison 93 show
Date: 19 Nov 1992 16:11:30 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <92323.111159MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
> 
>>Boy, those Blue Devils have sure been innovators haven't they?!
>>Same style year after year.  I love it, don't get me wrong, but it seems
>>to me that their staff has a formula that works and they are comfortable
>>with, and even though they do different songs, they can sound remarkably
>>similar year after year after year after year after .....
> 
>IMHO, the Blue Devils are nearly as guilty of the practice of pulling out old
>charts as is Madison.  Understand me, the last thing I'm suggesting is that
>Madison change their style....there is only one Madsion Scouts, and there is
>a style of drum corps which is uniquely identified as Madison.  I'm
>just saying....enough already!  WE'VE HEARD THIS ALL BEFORE.  DO SOME NEW
>MUSIC.

Why has no one flamed BD for pulling out charts from the past.  Their '86 show
was all old.  Off hand I can't think of too many years when they didn't have
at least part of an old chart in their show.  I generally enjoy a Scouts show
(as well as a BD show) whether or not it was a repeat.  What really gets me
is when corps do the same show back to back (read '88 & '89 SCV, '86 & '87
SCV, Madison '91 & '92, etc.).  Usually there is a lot of similar drill
moves, similar music, and similar weaknesses in the players.  I still like
'87 SCV and '92 Scouts, but it does disappoint me some.

>Respectfully, Mike Hughes

--David

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From: bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F)
Subject: Re: Info request on facets of the Cavies '92 show
Keywords: questions, geeky, composer
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 05:13:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.025112.3640@cgrg.ohio-state.edu> flip@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Flip Phillips) writes:
>(since i lived on the west coast for the past 5 years, I haven't seen much of
>drum corps other than the west coast guys, excuse my 'out of touch ness'.
>also, one is a bit geeky, but I'm just curious if someone knows for sure...)
>
>1) Who is Jack Stamp? I noticed he is credited as a composer on one of the
>	pieces, and I've not ever heard of him, can't find anything on him.
>
>2) On one of the Malcom Arnold 'dances' pieces the BD line plays unison 6's
>	with one hand, their left hands holding the mallet up so you dont 
>	think there is any funny business... anyhow, 1) are they playing them
>	with both sides of a std mallet or is it a frame-drum beater, and 2)
>	are they playing straight 6's or are there diddles in there? I hear
>	them but I cant tell if it is a tic or if they were intentional.

Jack Stamp is a reletively young (35ish) composer, originally from South
Carolina, I think. I knew him when he was working on a doctorate in
composition at Michigan State University. Super nice guy, and very talented.
Evidently Tim Salzman (arranger for Cavies) thinks so, too. I think Jack
is teaching somewhere down south again at this time.

The bass drum thing was the brainstorm of Jim Campbell, Cavies percussion
arranger, and is based on the "one handed" Irish drumming style that you
may have seen done by bands like the Chieftans. They are playing with one
hand, and all the fugures are based on 12th and 24th notes. (Triplets and
triplet drags). It's a pretty amazing technique, and they all got very
proficient at it by the end of the summer. It's kind of like one - handed
backsticking.

--Brad.
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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Madison 93 show
From: <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 16 Nov 1992 13:41:26 EST
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In article <1992Nov16.040730.6561@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, sradeker@nyx.cs.du.edu
(Scott Radeker) says:
>
>In article <Nov14.171052.51230@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>                       U
>gordons@CS.ColoState.ED
>(vahl scott gordon) writes:
>>I also think that looking back is a healthy thing that the activity is
>>sadly getting away from because the judges demand innovation.
 
I think this would be one hell of a sad activity if the judges DIDN'T demand
innovation.
 
>>I don't see why playing a piece that was played before can't be innovative.
>>None of the performers (and probably few of the staff or writers) were
>>around in 81, and you know the visuals, drill, arrangements will be
>>very different.
>>
>I agreee totally!!!!!!  There is something to be said for history and
>the repetition and slight variation on it.  To further you point about
>different performers, I think I'll state the obvious.  Each year the corps
>have different strengths and weaknesses.  I think that the same piece
>played twelve years later will sound quite different, if only for the
>reason that the strong and weak sections will alter the way the music
>is arranged and played.
 
Yes, there is something to be said for history and the repetition and slight
variation on it.....the trouble is that it's damn near the ONLY thing that
Madison is capable of these days.  Just look at the past few years:
 
      1986 - Gershwin music from the 1970s regurgutated
      1987 - (I forgot this one...sorry)
      1988 - Maleguena regurgitated for the umpteenth time
      1989 - Slaughter on 10th Avenue regurgitated for the umpteenth+1 time
      1990 - an original show that I actually liked (but noone else did)
      1991 - City of Angels...an excellent production
      1992 - City of Angels...an excellent production (yawn)
      1993 - excerpts from the 1981, 1983 and 1990 shows
 
C'mon!!!!!!!!!!  How can you defend this lack of musical creativity?
Would you defend the corps if they did the same drill moves year after year?
Used the same guard uniforms and equipment?  Etc, etc, etc....
 
Mike Hughes
From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re:  Drum Corps Alias?
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 10:43:23 EDT
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In article <1ee1rcINNsbo@bigboote.WPI.EDU> (alt.drumcorps), ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall) writes:
>In article <01050023.istbdb@chinchilla.cars.com> chinchilla!niel@cars.com writes:
>>>I can think of two years that Spirit's bass line was really great...
>>
>>I was thinking of 82-85 especially.  They used to do a medley of famous 
>>themes that was out of this world.  Petticoat junction, Andy Griffith, 
>>William Tell Overture, and everyone else's street beats.  That last part 
>>was cool because they would go through, in quick succession, SCV, 27th,
>>Suncoast, (and maybe others?) and their own.  
>
>We used to do the same thing.  One of our bass instructors name was Matt Gore.
>He marched in those years...

I remember Matt.  For some reason, we called him "Muffin."  He had
a brother who we called "Biscuit."

Niel

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From: drapeau@oglala.Stanford.EDU (George Drapeau)
Subject: Re: Madison music
Organization: Libraries and Information Resources, Stanford University
	<1e36s1INN8tg@early-bird.think.com> <92321.133532MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
	<1992Nov18.195206.14725@stortek.com>
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:27:59

In article <1992Nov18.195206.14725@stortek.com> pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt) writes:

   1988 was a very interesting year. Scouts had taken several weeks off
   for a tour of Europe. When they returned, one week before DCM
   Championshiops, they clearly were off the pace of the other corps. I
   believe that Scouts placed *5th* (at best, 4th) at the DCM
   Championships. They did a huge amount of polishing and cleaning over
   the 2nd tour...it did not look at all possible for Scouts to win DCI
   that year.

[rest of message deleted]

Wow, what a great message, Phil.  I had never heard that perspective
on Madison's 1988 season.  That gives me newfound respect for their
win.  I'm somewhat biased, though: I share your belief that the
Individuals and Ensembles competition is an important part of the drum
corps activity, and can't really be underplayed.  For many of the
kids, I&E is the only chance they get at anything resembling real
musical adjudication, and I feel that adjudication is important to
musical growth.

Anyway, off my soapbox here (sorry about that, folks).  Thanks for the
cool message about Madison, Phil.

	George

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From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Boston Crusaders Open House & staff info
Date: 17 Nov 1992 16:20:39 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1992Nov16.211713.15337@watson.ibm.com> owens@cyclops.cambridge.ibm.com (David Owens) writes:
>Principle instructors for 93...
>   Brass Arranger           Jim Prime
>   Brass Coordinator        Tom Lizotte
>   Percussion Arranger      Thom Hannum
>   Percussion Coordinator   Pat Amann
>   Visual Designer          Chris Raichle
>   Visual Coordinator       Kevin Walsh
>   Color Guard Coordinator  Ellen Cirillo
>
>(only Pat Amann will be a new face this year)

Pat's a really great guy.  If I'm not mistaken, he marched Troopers in '88,
and has been marching at U Mass. for a while under Thom (that's how he got
the gig I'm sure).  I'm really interested to see what these two guys do with
their drum line.

>It is just a hunch, but I'd bet Tom Aungst (sp?) will be teaching a
>little too.  He's the new percussion instructor at my old HS (Dartmouth)
>and there's plenty of Boston staff teaching there.  It'd be a shame to
>have him in the area and not drag him to rehearsal during the winter. :)

I wouldn't hold my breath on this one (just a hunch).

>==============================================================================
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>==============================================================================

Just to add my $0.02, I think that Boston has a good shot of making the
top 12 this year.  Last year they had like 5 horns make it to their last
camp, and they still placed very well.  They will probably have a good number
of people return, and their drum line is always good (just look at who they
have produced in the recent years).
--David
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From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Madison music
Date: 17 Nov 1992 16:26:35 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1e9lalINNjs@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> zaidioa@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
>>>I agree.  I think that it will keep them out of the top five in 1993.  But
>>>Madison seems content not to push the envelope and focus instead on bringing
>>>solid drumcorps to the field.  A lot of people around me in Madison last
>>>year enjoyed the Scout's show more than any other and I'm sure the Scout's
>>>staff gets enough positive feedback that it doesn't feel any need to change.
>>>
>>>After all, they did WIN in 1988 with Malaguena.
>> 
>>And a highly questionable result it was, too.
>> 
>>Mike Hughes
>
>agreed... let's take a straw vote and see how many people thought SCV should
>have won with their Phantom of the Opera show..

No way!  Madison won it because they where unbelievably clean.  I'm not a
big Madison fan, and I'm much more of a SCV fan.

>I'm curious..
>
>any volunteers? I don't have enough email space to conduct such a survey.
>
>I still SCV was gyped and they should have won in 1988 and 1989 IMO. I was
>blown away by Star's show in 1990 and I was pissed when they only got 3rd.
>just my 2 cents worth..

SCV's '89 show wasn't as good as '88.  Their drum line wasn't clean and they
still won drums.  Even guys who march SCV don't acknowledge their top drum
of '89.  They don't think they deserved it.

>Omar Zaidi
>
--David


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From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: BD '93
Date: 17 Nov 1992 16:33:20 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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Can anyone tell me what BD is playing next year.  A friend of mine wants to
know.  I will start the guessing by saying it will be something jazzy in
flavor.
--David

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                 |               E-mail ddm@wpi.wpi.edu |   (*)/'(*)    |