From: nor@hekla.pnge.psu.edu (Nor-Azlan Nordin)
Subject: Re: The fool who knows.....[Re: Who's right....]
Organization: PSU Earth and Mineral Sciences
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:46:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.052209.52873@ssf-corp.dhl.com> looi@ssf-corp.dhl.com (Wan Looi) writes:

>again, only you, me and your allah know. insya-allah, your allah 
>will burn me to hell if i lie. fair enuf?

You forgot people who experienced your disgusting statements about
Malays about three years ago too  (that includes the Chinese, Malays
and Indians at that time).  

>>Yes, Islam is superior than others (for me) because it is my religion.
>>Of course, I will always feel Islam is the most righteous religion.
>
>here's where the problem begins... if you were to say that in arab,
>pakistan, or any islam homogenous society, it's perfectly ok and
>understandable. but, sorry pal you live in a multi-racial country
>and it only fosters hostility if you mouth off "my religion is
>superior..." to non-muslims (or kafir in your lang).

Yoo Babi.....read this carefully ok.

In the states, the white Christians also think Christianity is
better than others.  Did you follow the Praise the Lord (PTL) programs
on Sunday?  All the evangelists shouted here and there saying that
Christianity is the true religion.  And, America is a multi-cultural
country which comprises of almost all religions (from Islam to Satanism).
Why shout Christianity is the true religion only?  Don't they think
that there are hundreds of other religions in this country.
Or, probably you are blind to see all these things because of your
obsession to double standard when comparing Malaysia and the USA.
Don't talk about my integrity if you don't have it yourself.

>i can't speak for indians and other non-muslims, but i'd say most
>chinese don't want to have anything to do with islam. they are 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"The most Chinese" you are talking about are only of your kind (the 
stoopid chauvinistic ones with double faces).  I have seen a lot of 
Chinese in this newsgroup who are willing to listen, just listen to the 
other side of the argument.  Nobody is expecting them to convert.  At 
least people who listen have the chance to understand the Muslims 
(based on muslims point of views, not from the media etc.).

>"allergic" to islam as much as "unclean animals" are "allergic" to
>muslims. the main reason why most chinese don't feel related to 
>islam is because the rigid islam code of life (most, if not all)
>is highly alien and almost incomprehensible to chinese who are

I don't mind if the Chinese don't want anything to do with Islam. As
long as the muslims have the right to post whatever they want on this
newsgroup about Islam, I think it is good enough.  If you and your kind
don't want to read the postings, then ignore them.  Do you have to ask
them to get lost? Where is the tolerancy you have been blurting
about? 

>under heavy confucius influence. the only likely way you may
>convince chinese of your belief is to bring up the similarities
>and common values between the two. i can assure you any effort
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>to superimpose your belief to chinese, by force or otherwise
>will result in unthinkable consequence.

We don't even have the chance to mention the word Islam in this
newsgroup (leave alone discuss about it), how do you expect us to find 
any common values?  Looi, I think you are full of SHITS.  Why dont'
you just leave ok.  Most of the times you just blurted in this
newsgroup when trying to find reasons not to discuss about Islam.

>on top of that, most non-muslims that i know don't buy in the
>idea of mixing religion and state affairs. i.e., they want a
>secular state, period. 

Unfortunately, most muslims that I know don't want a SECULAR STATE,
but the combination of both religion and state affairs whenever
appropriate, PERIOD.  Now, what should we do?  

Think about it buddy boy.  You said that we are in a multi-cultural
country.  Where is your integrity when talking about this? You are
the one who imposed your ideas on people, not me. Now, should
I call you a "Stoopid Hypocritical Chauvisnistic Babi" with some
essence of "Chinese Supremacist" ?  

>but, can we trust religious leaders, especially malay supremacist
>and islam fanatic (as you admitted you are one) like you?

Come on, I know that you are trying to be the champion of the Chinese
people in this newsgroup and attempting to be a nice guy.  There are
many other ways to achieve all that.  

>look what happened in kelantan? first, pas said the shahriah
>would apply only to muslims. they even made the pledge to
>non-muslims in kelantan and dap before the election. now,
>look what happens, they are imposing it to non-muslims as
>well w/o even getting consent from the non-muslim communities
>and the "pact" they had had with dap! where is the integrity?
>evidents are abound! this is only ONE example, i can easily
>throw in a few more if anyone is interested. 

I don't know much what's happening in Kelantan cos' I have been away
from home for the last 3 years.  I don't want to learn about PAS and
Kelantan from you either cos' of your double standards and hypocrisy.
So, if there is anybody who knows about the actual situation, please
post.

>btw, please don't tell me pas is not a true muslim party as i 
>see a tendency among muslims to disassociate any wrongdoing of 
>muslim with islam or say things like, "oh, saddam is not a true 
>muslim... iran is not a true islamic country..."

That is the problem.  You associated the Muslims' action to the
religion itself.  All religions on this planet teach good things.
The followers level of comittment is the problem.  Unfortunately, you
can't see the difference between both.  

>again, you are still in the dreamland of a homogenous muslim world.
>your thinking of superiority is obviously an ingredient to your own 
>illusion of fanaticsm and supremacism.

Maybe I am in a dreamland. That's what you think.  

>i abhor lying. my integrity and consistency will continue to 
>withstand your false accusation and distorted facts.
>tahan lasak seperti tayar dunlop!

You abhor lying but you did it anyway. Then, what is it?  Leave alone
your self-proclaimed characters - INTEGRITY and CONSISTENCY.  You have
no integrity whatsoever as reflected from your inconsistet point of
views about Islam and multi-culturalism.

>thanks buddha, i do not stoop to lowly as your potential mentor, zam did.

Don't desecrate the name BUDDHA with your HYPOCRISY.  Budhha's teachings
are too noble for you to even mention his name.  

>>attitude towards you is the same as ZAM's towards you.  I expect the
>>same from you towards me.  If u don't, I don't care anyway.
>
>why should i? your sick mentality only shows the world how
>unnoble your upbringing is. leave alone, your religious belief
>which has "molded" you what you are today. i kasihan kan you lah!

Don't pity me cos' I know what I am doing whether it is good or bad.
My bad behavior (based on the net ettique standard) has nothing to do
with my religious belief.  It is me, not Islam.  Every sincere and
honest non-muslims will agree with me except the one with double faces
like you and your kind.

>>I have changed my attitude toward the Chinese in Malaysia but certainly not
>>your kind.  My last posting after a week flaming session with the
>>
>
>you have not. you've repeatedly shown your malay supremacy and
>islam fanaticsm. prove me i'm wrong.

I don't change my attitude towards the Chinese like you and your
kind.  And, I swear to God now (if you missed it before), I will
continue what I am doing right now to get rid off people like you
(that includes the Malays, Chinese, Caucasians and others).

>so, you're now a self-proclaimed flamemonger? i luv it!

Yep, I love to flame people like you.  You deserve it and I am doing
it from the bottom of my heart.  Pig face like you will get nothing
from a flame right?  Leave alone learning from your mistakes.


>glad that you finally admitted you're anak kurang ajar and biadab.

Yes sir.

>see, i don't have to prove anything but you've already admitted a
>lot of things. (first fanatic, the come rude & unruly, flamemonger,
>a**hole) what's next? 8-)

Nope you don't have to prove anything.  I admit for what I am.  If
people don't like me, then take a walk.  Life is not a popularity
contest (I mentioned this before).  If I believe in sonmething I will
fight for it.  I don't claim for what I am not, not like you.  You claimed
to be honest, never lied and so forth, but did not live up to the
expectations.  A hypocrite will always be a hypocrite.  A hypocritical
babi you are, indeeed.

>so, you expect me to be rude and unruly like you, flamemonger?
>come on, with your SUPERIOR religious upbringing, you can 
>certainly do better!

Emotional letter along with some actions to change and learn from your
mistakes is what everybody is expecting including God and your Buddha.  
Without some actions, your emotional letter becomes a pathetic piece of shit.

>i need not say more. whether or not i have "grown up", the image
>manisfests itself in my writings. on the other hand, you haven't
>changed a bit, after all these years! still a flamemonger!

A piece of writing full of lies and hypocrisy doesn't mean anything
whether written in good or bad language.  

>>Then by default you admitted that you are a HYPOCRITE, need I say
>>more?.  BTW, I am not surprise at all.   I have been telling you that
>>many times before, but you didn't notice it.
>
>can you kindly point me where in any of my writings did i admit or
>imply that? putting the words into my mouth again, huh?

Read your postings again and think.  

>now, you have just earned yourself another title "LCDS" 
>(Logic Compreshion Defiency Syndrome) besides the more
>affluent "ECDS". 8-)

Thank you. I always enjoy your creativity in BULLSHITTING!!!

>well, we shall see. mudah-mudahan, buddha thinks that i should
>go thru the rebirth cycle before attaining nirvana. in the meantime,
>i'll let my buddha "negotiate" with your allah. fair enuf?
>and, please don't let your allah burn you before me, otherwise
>tak aci lah? 8-)

Yes, play around with your religion.  Indeed, you are a pathetic
shit. And, if God does decide to send you to hell.  I will be honored to 
turn on the fire.

>call me whatever you want, most netters have already seen
>your "true colors".

Yes the netter have already seen the true me cos' I "speak my my mind".
Whether they agree with me or not is none of my business.


>i wish i could be a NATO member.. but, until i move to
>europe, until i assume my american citizenship, i'll
>always be an ASEANite (A Sane & Educated Asian Netter)

A stoopid self-proclaimed educated netter.  Bah Hambug!!!!

>cool, you're almost becoming zam, the second! i still remember
>zam said "... nothing could straigthen chinese except their 
>hair...". of course, this is not 3 years ago; it's as recent as
>1 year or so ago.  *he* *he *he* ...

Well, I said to you not to the Chinese in general.  That's why you did 
not see any Chinese involve in this flaming.  Because supporting you is
nothing but a stoopid move.  And, I am not asking any Malays to
support me either.  Just leave me alone.....

>>So, you are a person who distorts facts in order to save your ass.
>>Shame really....
>
>again, you have no proof. only u, me and your allah know. i'll
>let my buddha settle with your allah. okay?

Again, don't desecrate the name Buddha in your attempt to distort facts
and lie again.  It is a shame to see you playing around with the God's
name and Buddha.  

>>You are a HYPOCRITE (talam dua muka)
>
>again, call me whatever you want... my integrity says it all.

Your have no integrity whatsoever buddy boy.  But, you do have a
staright hair, that's all if there is anything straight in you.


>feel sorry for ya... after spending so much govt and taxpayers'
>$$$, all you've learned is the street language... hope you don't
>do the same when you write your thesis, okay?

OK...trust me.  It is just for you and you kind.....not other netters.


>>That's why your statement of "Melayu boleh golong tikar...." still haunts 
>>you till now.  Advise yourself first.  If you have changed fully, then
>>advise me.  I will listen to you if you do change.
>
>i haven't seen u changed a wee bit, so i can safely assume that you
>wouldn't change for a millienium years!

Yes sir, I will not change a bit if there is still shit head like you
exist on this planet.


>while we are at it, please help me paraphrase exactly what i
>said (as your falsely accussed) 3 years ago? and, please help
>me construct a proper sentense how "Melayu boleh balik kampong.."
>oops, "....boleh golong tikar.." can nicely fix into
>
>	"... if you despise the system here so much and so
>         obsses with your islamic way of life, why don't YOU
>         golong tikar and balik kampong or go to mecca?"

Changing MALAYS to YOU is not that difficult buddy boy, but facing the
consequences of doing so are difficult.  You changed it successfully
buddy boy.

>not yet, the interesting "thing" has yet to come... if you prEy
>[not pray] for it, it shall come...

I don't give the shit about it.

Whoever knows me in this net will agree with it (no matter how bad I
have written about them before).  I don't deny anything if they are
true. As I said, I want people to know for what I am.  If I am an 
ASHHOLE for them, then be it.  Life is simple and yet it is fair.


>are you implying that american values are pornography, etc
>is that what you have learned about american moralities
>and values? i think it's your racial and religious superiority
>complex that cloud your comprehensive of others' values
>and beliefs. again, you're known to have {E,L}CDS! 8-)

What is pornography etc. for you?  Explain.

>oh, most postgrads i know do receive some form of assistantship anyway,
>so it's not new. but, r u sure you can get by the living cost
>and tuition fees w/o any grant/loan/scholarship/workstudy
>from "someplace"?
>i lived thru it and i knew what it is like. so, don't fool me.

I am a research assistant.  They paid my tuition and monthly stipend.
Basically, they paid everything for me (insurance etc.).  Ask Penn
State Administration for further info about me.  I don't care
if people want to know.


>no, i'm an asian, he's a caucasian so can't be related. but
>i like his persistency over the family value issues, tho'

Yes indeed, a clown like Quayle really matches YOU well.  

>>-Azlan "smart and handsome guy" Nordin-
>>           Penn State

>but i thot' you said you're HANDSOME, but not SMART as shown below:
>
>   "Anyhow, I accept your condolence.  I am not smart, I am not genius,
>    and I am not the nicest person on earth, but, I sure know one thing
>    ---  I am HANDSOME.  If Cindy Crawford has a chance meeting me, she
>    probably not ended up with Richard Gere. :-) :-) :-)"

But, suddenly, I became SMART as well.  Maybe it is relative when
comparing with your STUPIDITY.


>	selamat hari balasbudi to you!

                   KISS MY ASS!!!!


>hou whei yu qi,
>LEI YUENHUA


            "TIDAK AKAN HILANG MELAYU DI DUNIA"

or, in English:


          "MALAY SHALL NOT PERISH ON THIS PLANET"

     


-Azlan Nordin-         "Happy Thanksgiving to other netters"
  Penn State
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