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From: dwoodman@unl.edu (david woodman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Rioting Spreads Across Bombay, 160 dead
Date: 11 Jan 1993 16:30:04 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu
Keywords: Riot Hindu Muslim Bombay


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: mghayalo@uceng.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod)
Subject: Re: Indo-china issues, Sum lien
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:17:18 GMT

In article <C0JzHM.G7x@cmcl2.nyu.edu> yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang) writes:
>atulpule@sebastian.carleton.ca (Ajit Tulpule) writes:
>
>>In <C0JM9L.4sI@cmcl2.nyu.edu> yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang) writes:
>
>>>sramacha@aludra.usc.edu (Sudarshan Ramachandran) writes:
>
>>>>Well, China has an enormous potential to light up this world with the
>>>>teachings of Buddha.  Buddha epitomizes peace more than even Ram or
>>>>Gandhi (my opinion) If China is to be a torch-bearer of Buddha's ideals,
>>>>one way for it to start is to stop selling arms.
>
>>>This is another bullshit, this guy is telling us not selling weapons
>>>to feed our people but let them starve to death (like in India).
>
>>>Ze Yang
>
>>So you sell weapons in the name of peace, non-violence, and Buddhism, do you ?
>>Believe me, you dont have to worry about your people starving to death. Your
>>"system"  will kill them anyways. Just ask them to go to Tiann???? square.
>
>Yes, Chinese sell weapons to build a more peaceful word, but not
>under the name of Buddhism, maybe you are involving too deep in
>the religious war which is happenning in your country and
>got confused.
>
>You sarcasm about my previous post can only reveal your stupidity.
>
>>Ajit.
>
>Ze Yang

Your stupidity reveals your stupidity.  Did any of you guys
understand what this dude was trying to say.

Manoj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan)
Subject: Re: Four People Burnt Alive in Renewed Clashes
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 12:24:59 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1993Jan8.103547@IASTATE.EDU> jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan) writes:
>apnews reports:
>============================================================================
>
>	   The December riots were especially violent in Bombay, where 202
>people were killed, mostly Muslims shot by police to quell
>disturbances. Police now say the mobs are now attacking one another
>with knives and stones.
>=============================================================================
>
>
>I can't imagine Bombayites have finally succumbed to such hysteria. I thought
>Bommbay is immune to disturbances in the rest of the country. The calm that
>prevailed when Rajiv and Indira Gandhi were murdered, lent credence to such 
>a belief.
>
>I guess the extreme police action is reponsible for the renewed trouble. Its
>imperative the govt. does some research in riot control. Its obvious they have
>no idea how to control mobs. They either stand by or do nothing when mobs
>go on a destruction spree or they end up killing more people than the mobs 
>themselves and create more problems than solve any.
>
>--Javed.

Well, the response of the police seems to be totally based on what the press
did to them in the last incident. 
I have absolutely no sympathy for any victim of a riot killed by a police bullet
provided that person was actually rioting. The sad part is that in most riots
in Bombay (these occur in slums mainly) innocent bystanders are killed. 
From what I read in the Times of India, there seemed to be little doubt that the
police action was excessive and the cause of 95% of the deaths (I'm talking of 
the riots of a couple of weeks ago)

Sudhama

>
From: jayaras@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Shankar Jayaraman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Request!
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:08:20 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

Folks!! WISH YOU ALL A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR!

I am looking for the name, address, phone number and e-mail addresses of 
organisations that are involved in developmental services in India. The
services provided could be economic, philanthropic, cultural ...... 
A case in point is India Development Service based in Chicago. 

It will greatly appreciated if any of you could provide me with this
information. You can directly send them to me at 'jayaras@ucunix.san.uc.edu'

Thanks in advance.

Regards.
Shankar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sanjay@churchill.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Sanjay.Jain)
Subject: TAJ MAHAL using ASCII char set
Organization: NCR Corp., Columbia SC
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 22:43:39 GMT

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From: v122npej@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Sareer A Fazili)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: RE:Massacre in Kashmir
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:11:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Strange how the original subject of postings always seems to get lost as
tangents start to take over! Unfortunately for the Kashmiris living under
Indian Occupation, such grandiose and eloquent prose demonstrated on this net
by the GOI sympathizers cannot be transferred over to those in IOK wielding the
guns as the women and brides of Kashmir are tortured and raped.

It is really easy to conjure up stories and say that they are, or were proved
to be false, but I would like to see or hear of a bibliographic reference that
says explicitly that the gang rape that occured in Kunan Poshpora, and later in
Sopore, and also that the firing on the procession of Moulvi Farooq's funeral
were faked. The New York Times reported on all these incidents, and something
tells me that if these were "mistakenly" reported as true, then a retraction
would have been printed with an aside claiming that new evidence argued
against what was originally reported. Kashmiris in the US are extremely well
informed, and the news that we get from IOK is very accurate. Unless one can
prove that a news report was false, or that evidence was presented to it's
contrary, I would hope that grandstanding such as this would not take place.

In conclusion, the FACTS are that GOI is supporting a military presence of over
400,000 soldiers.Don't believe it? I am sure all interested parties can peruse
through early editions of the NYT from Jan., Feb.,and March of 1990 to get the
exact number. Your local Congressman can get the info for you too.
And the press is not allowed in Kashmir. Ed Gargan's article was allowed under
his guise as a tourist! Disbelievers are again welcome to question the US State
Dept., their local Congressman, or even call the AP/UPI and ask who their
Kashmir correspondent is. They are allowed to maintain only a New Delhi
correspondent these days. It is all in black and white. I have no need to offer
more proofs than what I have stated repeatedly in the past. India is showing
her face to the world, and the world is starting to see it. If not the US, then
UK will be the first to aid Kashmiris in their struggle to freedom.


Sareer A. Fazili

P.S. And I am not one to take kindly to personal attacks either. I think that
Mr. Deb Chatterjee should stick to issues and not flowery prose and garnished
attacks on others. I am dumbfounded as to the fear that he has of Muslims and
Islam.Zealotry shows it's face in all other religions, or has he already
forgotten the Ayodha mosque incident? 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:42934 soc.culture.pakistan:19205
From: dwoodman@unl.edu (david woodman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Rioting Spreads Across Bombay, 160 dead
Date: 11 Jan 1993 19:59:35 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu

It seems that Bombay's long lived pustule Bal Thackeray is back!  Will
this wart never go away?  I remember the 1969 riots (while a 7th 
standard student and living in the rly qtrs. in matunga, CR) when his 
victims were south indian hindus.  Some things never change.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan)
Subject: Re: Rioting Spreads Across Bombay, 160 dead
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 15:34:52 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1isjj7INN6p2@crcnis1.unl.edu> dwoodman@unl.edu (david woodman) writes:
>It seems that Bombay's long lived pustule Bal Thackeray is back!  Will
>this wart never go away?  I remember the 1969 riots (while a 7th 
>standard student and living in the rly qtrs. in matunga, CR) when his 
>victims were south indian hindus.  Some things never change.
>
Beats me why the old fart wants to try out some of his 20 year old tactics. In
this day and age, the SS has a wider base of support (as compared to the earlier
days when it was a parochial sons of the soil party).There are Goanese 
Christians and UP Bhaiyyas who are shakha pramukhs in Bombay. Yet ....!!!!
I guess the cancer is in the brain of Thackeray - the leapord has'nt changed 
his spots.
Sudhama



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: Sneaky posts from women's net
Keywords: sleazeballs, sleazebuckets,poker,BIG JOB, Dating. HANG 	LOOSE	 ON 	THE 	CABOOSE !
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:11:41 GMT

(Someone writes): 

>Then you really are lucky.  When I was studying in India (So long ago)
>my friend and I used to console ourselves thinking all the good looking
>guys are in the US {there is a dearth of good lookers in India that incl
>Amitabh Bachchan, I mean except for his height and voice what is great
>about him ? }. 
>Lo and behold, America has a terrible collection as well :-(

Just another girl who knows the price of everything but the value of
nothing!

Heard somewhere: Ask one of the security guards of Taj Mahal if he
continues to be thrilled by looking at the Taj everyday! Such is the
case with beauty too! It becomes transparent after a short stint of
close association. 

Satya Prabhakar

--
___________________________________________
Happiness, dear Phaedrus, is a passed pawn!
From: shivanan@bode.usc.edu (Mr. Shivanan Bhajekar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Is Deb posting Anon letters/
Date: 5 Jan 1993 13:27:47 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bode.usc.edu

In article <dbose.726159007@sirocco.aem.umn.edu> dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose) writes:

	Stuff deleted [...]

>	MR. SUPRATIC ,
>
>		I SINCERELY FEEL THAT IT IS YOU BEHIND THE
>
>		CURTAIN PLYING ALL SORTS OF DIRTY POLITICS .
>
>		WHY DON'T YOU KEEP SHUT AND GET THE FU** OUT
>
>		OF SCI .
>
>					DEEPAK

	This kind of bullshit and cd should stop soon. The Spring/winter
	semesters/quarters will soon get underway. The hangovers that 
	Mr. Bose and Mustafa are suffering from will soon fade away.

	Shivanand Bhajekar

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan
From: dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose)
Subject: Re: Samit's Hypocracy
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:13:19 GMT

an3814@anon.penet.fi writes:

>X-Anon-To: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan

>After my recent postings about the abuse of the anonymous service by an individu
>al, several replies have been posted with mixed response.  Some people did not e
>ven wait to see the truth from their own eyes and started using bad language against me.
>Mr. Chatterjee, on one hand, was saying that such articles can be published by
>Mr. Bannerjee, but at the same time mentioning about contacting the legal agencies
>to defend Mr. Bannerjee.  Isn't that interesting!!  If you believe that you are innocent
>then you dont have to contact any legal agencies (especially, when it can easily be
>proved, by tracing back, who posted those articles).  Anyway, here is the article posted
>by Mr. Samit Bannerjee by using the annonymous id.  Note that, the article shows his
>sig. file since at that time he did not know how to hide his sig file in the anonymous
>posting.

>Article: 108185 of soc.culture.indian
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
>Path: msuinfo!caen!uunet!mcsun!fuug!anon
>From: an3925@anon.penet.fi
>Subject: Test
>Message-ID: <1992Dec25.055516.4694@fuug.fi>
>Sender: anon@fuug.fi (The Anon Administrator)
>Organization: Anonymous contact service
>X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.indian
>Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 05:44:05 GMT
>Lines: 11


>This is a test. Please ignore

>Samit Banerjee,                     |
>University of Southern California   |  A man who smiles when things go wrong,
>Internet: banerjee@scf.usc.edu      |  has found somebody to blame it on.
>Bellnet : (213) 342-1401            |
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi.
>Due to the double-blind system, any replies to this message will be anonymized,
>and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned.


	YE TO TU BHI KAR SAKTA HAI .

	THIS CAN BE DONE BY ANYONE . GO AND GET SOME CONCRETE PROOF .

	JAA BETE JAAA !!!



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mdoshi@cs.umr.edu (Mohit Doshi)
Subject: Looking for a room-mate in San Jose/Santa Clara/Sunnyvale ...
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:44:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla
Originator: mdoshi@mcs213j.cs.umr.edu



Hi!

    I will be moving to CA shortly, and am looking for a room-mate in
San Jose, Santa Clara or Sunnyvale.  I am non-smoking and a vegetarian.
Please send any replies to mdoshi@ee.umr.edu.  You can contact me over
the phone at (314) 256-3314.  I will be at that number till the 14th
of this month.

Thank You.

-- mohit.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rot@mickie.id.macsch.com (Rohit Thukral)
Subject: Re: AIR FARE TO DELHI
Reply-To: rot@mickie.id.macsch.com
Organization: MSC, Los Angeles
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 19:50:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.170728.16218@alf.uib.no>, rajes@struts.uib.no (Kalki) writes:
|>    I am travelling to India ( Delhi ) and back, around March, 93 with a two year 
|>  old kid. The origin of journey is from Los Angeles.
|> 
|>  I have been looking into special offers from different airlines.
|>  
|>  I will appreciate any suggestions for cheap tickets and/or offers
|>  giving a good rebate on children's ticket above two years of age.
|>  I have heard that some airlines offer some discounts for U.S. citizens. Any Info.
|>  on that is welcome.  
|>   
|>  Thanks in anticipation.
|> 
|>   Sudhanshu Arya.

I tried replying to you by e-mail but the message bounced back.

I'm also planning to travel from LA to Delhi in late March 93.
Currently I have one quote from Maazda Travels, (310) 273 9100.
They are quoting $1168 adult round-trip fare on Singapore Airlines.
They also asked me to call back in a couple of weeks for low fares
on Lufthansa.

Please let me know if you get good deals on other airlines.
I'll do the same.

Rohit Thukral
rot@macsch.com

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu,alt.culture.kerala
From: venugop@athena.cs.uga.edu (ABDUL PETER IYENGAR)
Subject: JOB SEARCH AND RELATED NEWSGROUPS AND SOURCES.
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:18:44 GMT

   A friend of mine is looking for a teaching job in the 
   department of Applied Statistics.
   Since he is not a frequenter of these networks,
   can somebody tell me the newsgroups that cater to
   such needs?
   Any database search that can be accessed for a fee
   in this country? 
   Any sources other than the Chronicle that advertises
   any openings?
   And of any openings that you may be aware of at your
   univ. or college ?
   My friend and me would be grateful for any leads in 
   this endeavour.
   Regards and thanking you folks in advance.
   gopakumar
From: sja@bofur.unh.edu (Sameer J Apte)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: bombay riots ....
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Date: 11 Jan 1993 22:28:41 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire -  Durham, NH
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: bofur.unh.edu
Keywords: bombay

In <1is9tpINNrk5@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder) writes:
>in street-fighting.

>It has now spread from the predominantly Muslim neighbourhoods to the rest of
>the city, affecting places like Matunga, Dadar, "the fashionable beach-side 
>districts" (Juhu?), and Chembur.

>The CM says that now, "Hindus are killing Hindus." There are now attacks on the
>Tamil community in Bombay (that must explain Matunga and Chembur). I thought
>that the Shiv Sena had given up its anti-South animus some time back. But the
>police are blaming them for it. Jayalalitha has appealed to Naik to protect the
>"small Tamil community" in "sundar Mumbai, marathi Mumbai." "Small?" I
>thought that Bombay had more Tamils than Madras. Expect some incidents of 
>vandalism on Northies (to an avg. Madrasi, the distinction between a Punjabi, 
>UP-ite, Marathi etc. is irrelevant -- they all speak Hindi) by some looters in
>Madras anxious to not be out-done by their Bombay-ite cousins.

- kathirvan responds 

 manitha inaththaiyE mathikath theriyaatha mathavaathikaLLukku kadavuL,
 raaman oru saakaadu. 
 arai vEkkaadu kalvi peRRu, arai vayiRRuk kanjikku
lottery adikkum  india makkaLukku matham oru kEdaa!
thamizh inaththai ilankaiyil kolvathu pOthaatha. intha pEikaLin
thaakam theeraathaa!
aariyam endRum, uyarnthavan enRum, matham enRum pEtham pEsum
pEikaL ozhiga. 
>in the Rapid Action Forces, well after the time when rapid action was required.

Kathiravan


	kathiravan ,

		care to provide a translation ? if not , then don't
	
	post it to sci , let it remain on sct . 

		just imagine how tamil junta will respond if i post an
	
	article on sct in marathi , without any translation .


	 	- sameer j. apte
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: Re: Vegetarianism in TN (was Re: Cannibalism in TamilNadu)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:41:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.225554.1943@nas.nasa.gov> raghavan@wk28.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan) writes:
 
>Humor aside (cannibalism being not in vogue), there are no moral
>high grounds regarding vegetarianism. 

Yes, if you are living at the north pole.

>How can one preach vegetarianism
>to an eskimo? Food habits have been mostly dependent of what is 
>available. What may appear to be wrong to one person may appear
>to be perfectly normal to many others.  

I hope you are not comparing Tamils to Eskimos. I hope you see
the difference between living in a subtropical region had the
polar ice cap.

>
>Even if human sacrifice and cannibalism existed in India, it must 
>have been very rare. More like leftovers from irrational fears of
>pre-civilization days. Such things did exist in primitive cultures
>all over the world. At least they didn't do it the way they did
>in China, during the cultural revolution days.

I recall the Incas and Mayans having very advanced civilizations, 
yet they conducted human sacrifices.
What's the point, about the Chinese?   I suppose this would mean
that the Chinese were "primitive"???



Rakesh Patel
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: vkhullar@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Vikram Khullar)
Subject: looking for apartment in Yale, Science Hill area
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:19:28 GMT

 I shall be moving to Yale university, New Haven, on the 15th of Jan., and I 
want housing near the Science Hill area. I would like to share an apartment
with one or more students or the like. If anyone in that area has information
on this please email me at vkhullar@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu before Jan 13th.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: atulpule@sebastian.carleton.ca (Ajit Tulpule)
Subject: Re: Indo-china issues, Sum lien
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:22:35 GMT

In <C0JM5M.4oA@cmcl2.nyu.edu> yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang) writes:

[..]

>TAM incident and CR (what the hell is Gulags?) are different from those 
>religious wars, these
>happened in a rapid changing society, when a complex system is facing
>something new, we expect violent comflicts inside the system, it's
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>understandable for me.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

So ! Expected violence is understandable and ratified is it ? Firstly
the people are persecuted, killed, massacred. Then you say that that's
fine because its "expected" inside your system. Pray tell me what else
do you "expect" in your system ? Is cannibalism also to be "expected 
inside the system" and thereby be considered "understandable" ?


>The differnce is that China is changing, it's moving forward.


And by how many TM squares has it moved forward ?

>Ze Yang

Ajit.


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Ajit Tulpule

School of Business
Carleton University
Ottawa, Ontario
Canada K1S 5B6

email : atulpule@business.carleton.ca
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