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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 09:11:57 -0400
From:         "(Russ Gelinas)" <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      holdsworth

  Now that I've got your attention, Jeff, could you run down what sort
of equipment Holdsworth is using these days?  I'm sure a fellow gearhead
like you must have spent some time lusting over his stuff...

Russ
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:20:08 MDT
From:         Maid in Bedlam <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      Re: Albert Ayler

Jeff teases just a bit more:

>>>There is a larger ensemble on the ESP disc NEW YORK EYE AND EAR CONTROL.
>>>It also basically a blowing date too.
>>
>>Now this sounds enticing...  :*)
>
>I knew it would.  You probably are also interested in "head charts",
>which are arrangments not complete specified.  Everyone in the band
>knows the tunes, has an idea of what they will play on background riffs,
>but no sequence is written out or planned in advance.  Blowing dates
>usually use head charts.

Man... you jazz guys have the best lingo...  *gush*  *sigh*  :)  :)  :)
I keep a head chart, but that's a totally different matter... ;*)

>>Ornette's "Virgin Beauty" is still one of my favorite jazz tunes... it is
>>incredibly erotic.
>
>Yes it is.

Yah... ranks high up there on the jazz Make Me Wet list, right near Bill
Frisell's "Love Motel" (Hiya Chucky baby).  :)

Sizzling today in bikini weather,
Carol
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 12:40:00 LCL
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Subject:      Top 5 vocalist

	My 2 cents


1.) Geoff Tate
2.) Bruce Dickenson
3.) Ronnie James Dio
4.) Rob Halford
5.) King Diamond
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:14:00 EST
From:         JBRIN@WNEC.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Xenakis

One man's circuit is another man's blown fuse.  Electronic Music is an
oxymoron.
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:03:17 CDT
From:         Dave Hall <USTS060@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: mixed nuts

>>4.  Lyle Lovett is *GOOFY*-looking -- but it's a shame the didn't have him
>>    perform -- he only got to announce an award.
>
>Lyle's cool... but I hear he doesn't have his big hair anymore...  *pout*
>
Sacrilige!!

>I did see a couple of interesting musical performances on TV in the last week
>or so.  I watched The Tonight Show and witnessed a cool musical performance by
>a bunch of guys I think were called Blue Man Group.  Anyways they looked like
>
>- Carol
I missed the Blue Man Group?!!  Oh God, Life is no longer worth living!
I had a friend who saw them a few weeks ago in NY.  Can you imagine
two and a Half hours of the The Blue Man?  What bliss!  What heaven!
He even got their autographs and met one o' the members.  Ah, the cruelty
of this evil worl we live in.

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From: mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mike J. Brown)
Subject: Re: orb
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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:19:14 GMT

Derek sed:
>Russ sed:
>>  Now, MikeB, you mentioned the Orb.  Just what is/was that?
>Well, I'm not MikeB, but I'll answer the question anyway.  The Orb are
>great.  I bought _Adventures In the Ultraworld_ about a year ago and have
>been pushing Orb down everybody's throat since then.  They sample alot, do
>some of their own music/voices/whatever, and mix it all together.  I call it
>'ambient house' because everything needs to be labeled (more on that in my
>response to Sonia's techno/rave/industrial question) but basically I just
>think it's great.  Imagine Pink Floyd with no musical abilities, only samplers
>That's what it makes me think of.

That's about what I would have said.  But you wouldn't like it because it is
like the atmospheric parts of Pink Floyd with 'disco beats' instead of
self-indulgent solos.  I'm a Floyd fan myself, though, don't get me wrong.
But I think it is pretty lame to judge the quality of music based on how it
is being made rather than how it sounds.  I don't care if monkeys making
farting noises under their armpits release an album.  If it sounds neat,
I'll listen to it.  I feel no obligation to feed and clothe talented
blues musicians if I am more stimulated by another kind of music.  Thank you.

Grew up in the 'Me' decade,
Mike
-- 
Mike Brown
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Subject: Re:      Re: longest song title ever???
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:07:25 EDT
From:         AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU
Subject:      Announcement

Watch CBS tonight at 9:00 pm for a great music show.  This show will have
dancing, great stars of the music world, whatever you can think of.  I hope
everyone turns in to watch.
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 09:29:16 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Layla Set

Has anyone heard the Layla Box set with the Dominoes and The Bros jamming
and alternate takes.....etc. It sure does sound appealing, but it also
carries a hefty price tag. So if anyone has heard these please let me know
what you thought. Also anyone heard the new Robert Cray, please hurry in
about 2 hours i'll fork over the cash and live on pnut butter and jelly
cuz i've got to fix my car also, I don't know walking's good for you.
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Date:         Sun, 4 Oct 1992 17:15:32 CDT
From:         Dave Hall <USTS060@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Sinead O'Connor

     Anyone catch _Saturday Night Live_ this weekend?  Tim Robbins hosted
and as usual the skits were less than funny.  (IMHO, NBC is dying for new
writers.)  Nevertheless, Sinead was the musical guest.  Her first song was
a cover (from the new album) of _Success Has Made A Failure Of Our Home_.
I agree with whoever complained of her over-orchestration there were just
too many instruments.  Her second set was an a capella piece that did more
than raise a few eyebrows.  As best as I could figure the entire song was
a kind of listing of all the world's evils at once she finished with a line
that ran something along the lines of:
     "Fight the true enemy" and then held up a photo of the Pope and ripped
it into little pieces.  Needless to say the audience was stunned.  Not
even a single clap.  Just silence.  It was kinda neat, yet spooky at the
same time.
     Did anyone else see this?  Is there more to this story?  What exactly
is her beef with the Pope?  I'm quite familiar with the past injustices
of the Catholic Church and its current stand on things like pre-marital sex,
abortion and so on, but if I remember correctly, I was told this song
on the album makes reference to the above mentioned issues in a rather
conservative light.  (Not really in keeping with what I *thought* her politics
were.)  Any ideas?

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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:05:00 EDT
From:         "alt.wasted.time" <TIFFANYDE@URVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: longest song title ever???

>I have two that might qualify. both are by "Chicago".
>"Does Anybody Really Know What Time it Is?"
>"I Don't Want To Live Without Your Love"

Well, with all the Orb conversation lately, here's one.

"a huge ever growing pulsating brain that rules from the centre of the
 ultraworld: loving you, aubrey mix mk II"

honest to gawd, it's a song.  Well, everything after the colon has to
do with the fact that it's a remix, but's it's still a rather lengthy
song title.   :-)

Derek T....
           who's vi editor isn't working and so will have to do without
           the .sig file.  Ah well.
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Subject:      Re: Any listeners of Hendrix or Dolphy?

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Subject:      Re: Top 5 Lead Vocalists!!!!!!

1, Billie Holiday      1. Taj Mahal
2. Frederica von Stade 2. Tony Bennett
3. Jessye Norman       3. Franz Mazura
4. Helen Merrill       4. Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau
5. Ella Fitzgerald     5. Lightnin' Hopkins
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:31:49 EDT
From:         woj <REWOICC@ERENJ.BITNET>
Subject:      various

WK7@CORNELLC.BITNET sez:
>My local radio station has been playing a new Suzanne Vega tune called
>"Blood Makes Noise". It's a pretty spacey song, but it sounds like old
>Suzanne is being bugged by the bees in her bonnet,

the first i heard about this song was when someone on another list far
far away said that "blood makes noise" was techno. i nearly coughed my
cookies on that one when i read it. when the album finally came out, i
listened to it in the store (cutler's in new haven is nice enough to
have "listening booths" for selected new releases) and nearly died of
laughter since the song seemed so atypical for her. but after buying
it and listening to it more, i find that it works rather well for her.
and i rather like it too (especially the dual audio track that is just
slightly out of sync with each other - gives it a nice echoy feel).

haven't deciphered the lyrics yet, but it's been posited elsewhere that
it is aids-related.

Gary Hanley <ghanley@DG-WEBO.WEBO.DG.COM> sez:
>Anyway, this is definately a new musical avenue for Suzanne Vega,
>which I think was probably a good idea.

yes and no. some songs are definite departures from her norm ("blood makes
noise", the wonderfully campy "when heroes go down" and "99.9 f deg" are
the ones that stick in my mind), though taking the sound that developed
on _days..._, i don't feel that it is too far of a jump. on the other
hand, just as many songs are mellow acoustic pieces which, while not in
the folky style of her first record, harken back to those days. i rather
like the album myself.

>Her first album was excellent,
>her second (w/Luka), was good, and her last album wasn't that great
>at all, except for one or two songs.

personally, i thought that _solitude standing_ was the less than great
album. the first is poignant and feeling and intense and lyrically gor-
geous. the third is musically intriguing and lyrically interesting. the
second, with the exception of a few songs, is less so than the others.
i thought that _days..._ was an excellent album (with the exception of
the obvious radio-hit "book of dreams"). some of the soundscapes she
created, such as "big space", have no place on a pop record. but, there
they are...

woj
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:46:33 DST
From:         Clint Pearcy <clintp@PARROT.CREIGHTON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: hand pblms
              "ALLMUSIC@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU" at Sep 29, 92 1:40 pm

You could maybe try to find one of those squeeze balls the
Red Cross uses.  Or a little dog ball.

Clint Pearcy
clintp@parrot.creighton.edu
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Subject: re: RE HELLO (is that like "hello, again" by the cars? :) )
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:16:05 GMT
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From:           ACCNEWS%HOFSTRA.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU
Subject:        RE HELLO
Date:           Sunday, September 27, 1992 at 1:49:00 pm CDT

>From: bc205z16@hofstra.bitnet
>Subject: RE HELLO
>

we knew that already ;) ;)

>YES...LOTS OF PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD..(OR ATLEAST AT HOFSTRA READ THIS
>STUFF)BY THE WAY WHAT KIND OF MUSIC ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DISCUSS??
>

that's easy.  metal.


sincerely,
lee


ps.  oh, and opera.  metal and opera.

pps.  well, actually, i don't think we've ever really had a coherant
discussion about opera.  but we are supposed to discuss it.  i think
it's mandated in the charter.

ppps.  bulgarian polka.  i forgot about that one.  metal, opera, and
bulgarian polka.

pppps.  or anything by holsworth, prokofiev, sharrock, or king's x.  yeah,
that or metal, opera, or bulgarian polka.

ppppps.  get the idea? :) :] :} :> ;) :)



metal rules, death to all who appose.
From: R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU ((Russ Gelinas))
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   Yeah, Jeff, squeezing a ball is usually a good way to get hand
strength.  There's a number of different types of balls available
(check out a toy store) that would be better than a tennis ball.
There's one that's especially soft and squeezable, it feels like a, well,
my 1 year old *really* likes it, 'though he likes to bite it (ouch!).

   Something else to think about is maybe you're not letting your hands
get warmed up enough.  Going from a 12 oz. curl to a 12 fret stretch is
gonna hurt, and could cause some damage.

  Maybe you're playing the chords wrong.  Sitting and playing can
put odd stress on your hands.  Placement of your thumb is important.
I think you know about those sort of things, though.

  Holding a barre chord for a long time is just plain tough; see if you
can release it for a second, or maybe play the chord another way.  You
might want to give yourself some more time to get that pinky working
up to speed.  Don't expect a semi-useless appendage to come to life
overnight, right Carol?

  Or, you can just give up on that fusion crap and play some real music, like..

Russ
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Date:         Fri, 25 Sep 1992 22:23:23 EDT
From:         WK7@CORNELLC.BITNET
Subject:      Xenakis

Back in '73 I was fortunate enough to take 2 semesters of Electronic Music,
basically theory,history,listening, as part of my general music degree.
Along the way I got turned on to Morton Subotnick and Xenakis. I remember
one article I read where he created a piece based on, I believe, some of
the mathematical structures involved with Nils Bohr's theories on the random
actions of gases. I don't remember the concept exactly now.

My teacher, who supposedly was in on the beginning of the electronic music
field and hung out with Moog, used to fiddle with an analog Moog, equipped
with sequencers, oscilloscopes, and all kind of funky patch cords and
filters, etc. It was geat to watch or listen to, but we didn't get hands on.
For that you had to sign up for special lessons, and it was booked solid
while I was there. I woulda, coulda, shoulda taken a hands on studio class
with a teacher at Hofstra Univ. after I graduated. I had it all set up, as the
teacher was a buddy of my old teacher, AND, well at the time the $300 looked
too steep. What a blockhead I was ! I hope in my next life I get it right.

P.S. I went to a grad student's moog concert in either '73 or '74 at Suny
Albany, and it was one of the most extraordinary events I've ever listened to.
They had a bunch of nice bose speakers hung around the perimeter of this big
room, with the audience in the middle, and the infernal machine glowing and
humming to the side. The guy had some prerecorded passages, which mixed and
sequenced and stripped and unstripped with the other stuff he was pumping out.
At times it really did feel like the huge electronic monster of the id was
growling and scratching and crawling around the walls. My entire brain and body
was filled up with these sounds. I was left limp when it was over.

                                                    electronically musing,
                                                                ... wck ...
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 10:52:40 EDT
From:         Michelle May <MAMAY@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Monday morning sarcasm, round 2

Thanks for the tip, Leonard

And yes, now that you and Bloom aren't yelling at each other anymore, my
headache has gone away. . .

Love,
Michelle


P.S. Where's my fav gal Sonia?
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:00:35 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: female blues singer
              5 Oct 1992 14:57:29 -0400 from <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>

On Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:57:29 -0400 Russ Gelinas said:
>Well, as a matter of fact, you named 2 above (Bonnie and Janis) to match the
> 2 black ones (Etta and Koko).  I won't push the issue, but there is something
>racial there.
Sorry If i gave that impression, but it's not a race issue what-so-ever
L."color-blind(finally)"W.
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:22:16 CET
From:         Sebastian Welton <SWELTON@ESOC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Pour me another cup of coffee

>> This is forwarded from the Pink Floyd "Echoes" mail list...
>> ---------Original Message--------
>
>> What?????  Tell the DJ to lay off the acid....The Orb is ambient
>> techno, based around computers, 90's synth sounds and samples, drum
>> machines, etc....I don't think I could *ever* (under any circumstances
>> of reality) confuse the Orb with the Floyd.....For one thing, the
>> songs that *might* sound like the Orb (Interstellar Overdrive comes to
>> mind) still sound distinctly low-tech compard to the Orb.....
>
>Did this clown never stop to think that when "Interstellar Overdrive" was
>recorded, the most advanced techie equipment there was was the tape delay
>echo, and Syd Barrett was the guy who made it feasible for live performance?
>Just for that, Urban Ambience owes Syd a vote of thanks, and so does nearly
>everybody else.
>

 The unusual and 'space-age' fadings and pannings on Pink Floyd's
infamous 'Interstellar Overdrive' were acheived by the un-
conventional Syd Barrett moving his hands in 'interesting' shapes and
patterns across the mixing desk, with no idea what he was doing.

I'm just waiting to hear The Orb's remix of Silver Machine featuring
Hawkwind!

>There's always been a soft spot in what serves Pink Floyd for a heart :-)
>for techie stuff. They were among the first customers of the Putney VCS3
>synthesizer, which may in fact be ahead of Moog as the first production
>console-model synthesizer in the world-- and *everybody* in the band bought
>one, not just the keyboard player. Nick Mason's fascination with the tape
>recorder as a compositional tool should be obvious to anybody who's heard
>"Several Species of Small Furry Animals... " Then there was a rumor going
>around after _Dark Side of the Moon_ that Floyd's next album was not going
>to be song form, but _musique concrete_ made from common household appliances.
>Did anybody else hear that rumor? I'm sorry they scrubbed that project; I
would
>have loved to hear it.

How about Einsturzende Neubatens - Stratagies Against Architecture which was
recorded using only lumps of metal, industrial tools, etc. in a makeshift
studio under a motorway bridge? But it's not nice and tuneful as Pink
Floyd would have done it (also it's just been re-released on CD, probably
one of the best neighbour irritants).

Tschuess, Seb.
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Subject:      CD Clubs and Cheezwhiz

From: MAMAY%WAYNEST1.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU at INTERNET 10/5/92 4:13PM (1366 b
Subject: Re: Monday morning sarcasm, round 2

>Oh, Jesus. . .

>Can you guys get offa this blues thing?  Or take it over to private e-mail?
>Unless there are those allmusicers that like reading a juicy fight.  However,
>most of us can see that this is pointless--Leonard, however wrong he may be,
>thinks the blues is god, Gary thinks metal is god, and the Bloomster has
>another excuse to post 200-line entries on the net.  ENOUGH ALREADY!!

Excuse me. Did most of the others tell you that this is pointless? Are you
now the designated speaker for the others? Is someone holding a gun to
your head and making you read this? I don't know where the delete key is on
your keyboard, but I think you can find it.

Whether I think metal is god here is not the point...

This is the last free clue I give out for the day: Heavy Metal is not all
"super-hyped-sellout-cheezwhiz-worry-about-how-my-hair-looks-paint-makeup-
on-my-face-see-how-many-cuss-words-I-can-squeeze-into-the-lyrics-make-10-
songs-that-all-sound-the-same-worship-the-devil" music like many of you
clueless people seem to think.

Clear now?

...and please, don't use my name in the same manner as Lenny's.

>New thread:
>Can someone tell me if it's worth subscribing to the Columbia CD club?  You
>know, the one where you buy 10 CD's for a penny?  I know you have to buy more
>within a certain time frame; overall, is it worth it?  The CD prices run
>between $11 and $15--I'd kind of like the convenience of ordering by mail. . .

If you can find enough CDs that you *really* want, then yes.
Call this number:
                     1-800-457-0500.

Tell the operator to send you a catalog. You can pick almost any music type.
After the 10 CD's for a penny, you'll have to buy 5 or 6 more that end up
costing near $18 a piece (their s&h cost + your stamps). If I remember
correctly, you'll end up spending between $7 and $8 average for your 15 or
so CD's. No store can touch this price. But like I said you have to actually
*want* the CD's. Don't just buy some because they're so cheap.

The BMG CD Club offers a better deal (average price $3-$4) but they don't
have as good of a selection and they don't have a toll-free number that I know
of.

Seeya,
Gary
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