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From: pechever@girtab.usc.edu (Paul Echeverri)
Newsgroups: alt.gorets
Subject: Re: wha?????
Date: 13 Oct 1992 23:41:50 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

In article <1992Oct14.004428.23232@leland.Stanford.EDU] sykopath@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mickey) writes:
]In article <1992Oct13.232041.24422@wam.umd.edu] pfeffa@next02wor.wam.umd.edu (Pfeffa the Cat) writes:
]]hey,  for those of us who are young and naive...what the hell is a goret?
]Well, each goret must speak for hirself (if [s]he could speak), but
]I can tell you that my goret has a small vestibular circumlocution,
]several bright-orange nodules of the quadratic variety, a number
]of grommets of all temperatures (and several Platonic "forms"), and
]not a few peripheral spicules (currently afflicted with rales).
]It also ingests several lenticular infundibulae every fortnight.
]Perhaps some of the older goret-owners out there would care to
]share their experiences in this highly personal matter?
]Goretially yours,
]Mickey "oh, no!  it's mistaken my toe for a lenticular infundibulum!" Phoenix.

ACK!  Wherever did you find that vestibular circumlocution?  The shop I 
frequent is all out; my goret has been despondent for months, and its grommets
are literally square with anguish.  They're all pink of course; I couldn't
afford the upgrade to the new Slack500's, not on my salary.  Truly my goret
is inferior to yours; I stopped being able to afford luxuries like spicules
when my goret infundibulized the manuscript for my next novel.
Things don't look good; for what good is a goret with only its core subocular
vesch for macerative purposes?
If anyone has a secondhand set of grommets, or a cheap X2S spindle for the
auxiliary drift-handler, my goret and I would be endlessly grateful.

Oh yeah.
		FORNIT SOME FORNUS

	 		Poor but proud goret owner,
				Paul Echeverri

-- 
"They robbed from the rich...and gave to the CRIMINALLY INSANE!!" -Ren & Stimpy
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Newsgroups: alt.gorets
From: pfeffa@next02wor.wam.umd.edu (Pfeffa the Cat)
Subject: wha?????
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:20:41 GMT

hey,  for those of us who are young and naive...what the hell is a goret?
From: pechever@phakt.usc.edu (Paul Echeverri)
Newsgroups: alt.gorets
Subject: Re: wha?????
Date: 14 Oct 1992 20:10:44 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

In article <1992Oct14.202946.18526@muddcs.claremont.edu] dmoskowi@jarthur.claremont.edu (Denis "Tesser" Moskowitz) writes:
]In article <1bgffeINNhpo@girtab.usc.edu] pechever@girtab.usc.edu (Paul Echeverri) writes:
]]If anyone has a secondhand set of grommets, or a cheap X2S spindle for the
]]auxiliary drift-handler, my goret and I would be endlessly grateful.
]
]I've got some foon grommets, left over from when my goret shedded in May.  I
]can let you have them if you send me some blue vesch covers.  My goret goes
]through those vesch covers real fast, and will only wear blue, and (sigh)
]the shop here can't seem to order them more than once a revolutionary decade.
](I did find my goret, it was in Tijuana looking for axolotls.)  I don't have
]an X2S spindle, but I've heard that it's not hard to convert an L5R to work
]like an X2S, as long as you only use it in the auxiliary drift-handler
]and not in the prime guidance flange.
]
]I've also heard you can get cheap spicules in Canada, you might want to look
]into it.  I would have looked when I was in Montreal, but I don't know the
]french word for spicule.
[.sig fed upon by deranged goret..GET AWAY FROM THAT MONITOR!]
Didn't the guy who was selling those cheap Canadian spicules get arrested?
Shoddy workmanship, or some such; it was written up in _Popular Goretics_ last
month.
I'll trade you a gross of blue vesch covers for the grommets; mine will wear
orange or, on occasion, black with red polkadots, and I have these blue ones
I bought for my SO's goret once, but we broke up before I could give them to
her.  Question about the grommets, tho': Are the foons first or second series?
Seems there's some kind of oil involved in the second-series grommets my goret
is allergic to; this makes for higher grommet expenses, of course, but my goret
manages to allay the costs by renting hirself out to Sun corp. on weekends.
I don't know what the job involves, but it pays well and the goret seems
happy with it, so I won't pry.
Thanx for the tip on the spindle; I got the spindle and a conversion kit
from my local specialty store and it's holding up quite well.
			Goretially,
				Paul Echeverri


-- 
Take strange alkaloids so that you may become one with CTHULHU! --Scott
pechever@usc.edu
Practice senseless hatred and random acts of violence.
'Go away.' --lemay@sun.com (Da Treekiller)
From: bwoelfel@widget.seas.upenn.edu (Brian Woelfel)
Newsgroups: alt.gorets
Subject: Gorets for the people!
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:47:30 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Gorets for the people!

Stop the madness!  Don't let the suppression of gorets by the American
government continue any longer!  Recent facts indicate an intense
crackdown on goret activity.  You don't believe me?  Look at the
facts.

FACT:  90% of the gorets are owned by 10% of the population.  That 10%
is the upper middle class white oligarchy.

FACT:  The Bush Administration officially denies the existence of
gorets, citing Pond's and Fleishman's 1991 paper "Mathematical Proof
of the Nonexistence of Gorets".

FACT: Goret shooting was a favorite pasttime of Texans until recent
legislation was passed.  "Ahm gonna git me a GOH-rit" is still a
common Texas figure of speech which means, "I'm going to exploit the
workers."

FACT: The Catholic Church continues to encourage the "Holy War"
against goret literature.  Recent edicts include "Let he who dips his
pen in the ink of goret words be smitten in hell forever."

FACT:  A San Francisco office of "The Goret Weekly" was forcibly shut
down by what the owner of the shop described as "men in grey suits and
sunglasses."  

FACT: Bush said in the 1992 Presidential Campaign "You just can't
trust [Clinton], a man who organized demonstrations for goret freedom
on foreign soil.  Is that the type of sick pinko commie you want
sitting in the Oval Office?"

FACT:  Millie the White House Dog has been trained to sniff out gorets
and kill them.

FACT:  9 out of 10 nobel laureate economists say that freeing the
gorets will greatly improve our economy, stimulating growth in the
stagnant Goret Vittles industry.


Join our goret friends in their struggle for freedom!

						aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
						brian woelfel
						university of pennsylvania
						aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Newsgroups: alt.gorets
From: sykopath@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mickey)
Subject: Re: wha?????
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 00:44:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.232041.24422@wam.umd.edu> pfeffa@next02wor.wam.umd.edu (Pfeffa the Cat) writes:
>hey,  for those of us who are young and naive...what the hell is a goret?

Well, each goret must speak for hirself (if [s]he could speak), but
I can tell you that my goret has a small vestibular circumlocution,
several bright-orange nodules of the quadratic variety, a number
of grommets of all temperatures (and several Platonic "forms"), and
not a few peripheral spicules (currently afflicted with rales).

It also ingests several lenticular infundibulae every fortnight.


Perhaps some of the older goret-owners out there would care to
share their experiences in this highly personal matter?

Goretially yours,

Mickey "oh, no!  it's mistaken my toe for a lenticular infundibulum!" Phoenix.
Newsgroups: alt.gorets
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Subject: Re: Grommets
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 06:58:21 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

rsholmes@rodan.syr.EDU (Rich Holmes) writes:

> I'm just wondering if any warlords are willing to descend into a.g for
> a mere two or three points.

Why would I want to do that? I've got a sick Goret to care for, the tunnel
pentode in the left-hand hydraulic time regulator is threatening to
recurse.

						- k
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.gorets
From: rsholmes@rodan.syr.EDU (Rich Holmes)
Subject: Grommets
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 22:29:20 EDT

I'm just wondering if any warlords are willing to descend into a.g for
a mere two or three points.

--
Rich Holmes
Not the usual sig.
Newsgroups: alt.gorets
From: dmoskowi@jarthur.claremont.edu (Denis "Tesser" Moskowitz)
Subject: Re: wha?????
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:29:46 GMT

In article <1bgffeINNhpo@girtab.usc.edu> pechever@girtab.usc.edu (Paul Echeverri) writes:
>If anyone has a secondhand set of grommets, or a cheap X2S spindle for the
>auxiliary drift-handler, my goret and I would be endlessly grateful.

I've got some foon grommets, left over from when my goret shedded in May.  I
can let you have them if you send me some blue vesch covers.  My goret goes
through those vesch covers real fast, and will only wear blue, and (sigh)
the shop here can't seem to order them more than once a revolutionary decade.
(I did find my goret, it was in Tijuana looking for axolotls.)  I don't have
an X2S spindle, but I've heard that it's not hard to convert an L5R to work
like an X2S, as long as you only use it in the auxiliary drift-handler
and not in the prime guidance flange.

I've also heard you can get cheap spicules in Canada, you might want to look
into it.  I would have looked when I was in Montreal, but I don't know the
french word for spicule.
-- 
Denis/Tesser M Moskowitz        Jen feroca malbona kuniklo; rigardu liajn
dmoskowi@jarthur.claremont.edu  sovagxajn vangharojn, kaj liajn ungojn kaj
This Is Realtime!               lian faldan voston.
Newsgroups: alt.gorets
From: fred_s@earwax.pei.com (Fred Scott)
Subject: Re: wha?????
Organization: Nerds On Parade
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:08:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.232041.24422@wam.umd.edu> pfeffa@next02wor.wam.umd.edu (Pfeffa the Cat) writes:
>hey,  for those of us who are young and naive...what the hell is a goret?

What the hell is a goret?

WHAT THE HELL IS A GORET?!?!?!

You mean you don't *know* what the hell a goret is?  WWWWWHHHHYYY NOT?!?!?

So you may be "young and innocent", but if you were raised in THIS country,
you were SUPPOSED to have had SCHOOLING, I ASSUME...AT SOME POINT!

Just what the hell are they teaching in school nowadays?  A kid can
apparently go 12 years through elementary and secondary education and wind
up accepted to study in an accredited institution of higher learning and
yet STILL not have a clue as to what a goret is!  Truly amazing!

You know, when I was in school, we were required to take six full contact
hours a day, and of course, for every contact hour you are expected to do
an hour of homework, which was to be turned in the following day at the
beginning of class.  We had to take history and geography and a ton of
mathematics and english, not to mention the fine arts, such as music and
drama.  And WE WERE DRILLED, DRILLED, DRILLED!  None of this, "new education",
namby-pamby, liberal stuff.  Noooo-hoo, it was learn or fail and be held
back!

And that was kindergarten - IN FIRST GRADE IT REALLY GOT TOUGH!

I swear, nowadays they must be coddling kids such that by the time each
year's graduating class shows up on the podium for their respective sheepskins,
they're all DUMB AS A STUMP, without exception, every last one of 'em.  And
you know, teachers don't care.  They probably wouldn't dare fail a student
now because if they happened to recognize one of the same pimply faces they
were drinking to forget last year, it might upset them out of their alcoholic
stupor long enough to miss too much out of the half-bottle of "cough syrup"
they just have time to down in the teacher's lounge between the 20-minute-long
classes their criminally-controlled union negoiated for 'em.

SHEEESSSHH!

Fred
From: pechever@sal-sun15.usc.edu (Paul Echeverri)
Newsgroups: alt.gorets
Subject: Re: wha?????
Date: 15 Oct 1992 12:11:23 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun15.usc.edu

In article <1992Oct15.174451.17053@muddcs.claremont.edu] dmoskowi@jarthur.claremont.edu (Denis "Tesser" Moskowitz) writes:
]Sorry about your SO.  Did you meet through goret support groups, or did one
]of you introduce the other to gorets?
]The foons are first series, the grommets stay dry and negatively charged.  I
]always thought it was silly for second series to be lubricated when the
]first series worked so well.  I've heard that third series foons are on the
]way, and they'll keep the grommets dry, negatively charged, AND vibrating in
]unison.   That'll be a sound to hear!
]Just send the vesch covers on over, the grommets are on the way.  Now if
]only I could find a good source for spicules... hey, European goret owners,
]how are the spicule prices on the other side of the lake?
]P.S. My sig is supposed to look like that, but my goret did feed on my
]organization line...
[.sig again chomped by goret...sigh]
Yah; the vesches are in the mail.  I met Shirl in the park; it was 3AM and
I was gliding my goret, which of course can best be done in the early 
morn because of the reduced risk of being seen; anyway, I was out gliding
my goret and it became quite agitated, dropping a bit of oil and pinking
its main helicals noticeably. Apparently the goret had sensed one of its
kind nearby, and I followed it.  Bursting into a clearing, I saw one of the
most beautiful gorets I've ever laid eyes on; delicate lacy grommets in
neon green, Double inverse matrix helicals by Shimano, and the biggest set
of spicules ever made.  All those hours of painstakingly maintaining and
cleaning out the forward looking sensor array with weak tea finally paid
off; the goret was with a beauty.  We walked together as our gorets
glided in lazy spirals, occasionally trotting on the ground for a while and
exchanging root passwords in peculiar goretalk before taking to the air again.
We lived together for two months and then she left me.
She says she's found a man whose goret has bigger spicules.
Woe is me.
I stole her goret's helicals, tho.
				
			Keeper of Goretlore,
				Paul Echeverri.



-- 
Take strange alkaloids so that you may become one with CTHULHU! --Scott
pechever@usc.edu
Practice senseless hatred and random acts of violence.
'Go away.' --lemay@sun.com (Da Treekiller)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: jage@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (I like redheads.)
Subject: Re: SPERM backrub
Keywords: sperm, backrub
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:01:19 GMT

In article <mcnair.23.718746985@slab.unt.edu> mcnair@slab.unt.edu (SEAN MCNAIR) writes:
>
(stuff deleted)
>
>
>                                 Gumby

Don't bother to reply to this idiot.
He's a fake.  I was just reading some other
*creative* crap he wrote in alt.skinheads.
Just a loser tring to get attention with a 
fake ID....

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From: rnapier@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Robert Napier)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: sensuality
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:46:46 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:


>Chris writes about the differences between sexual and therapeutic
>massagees...hmm..i was just wondering about the times when the
>sexual massage leads to the goal..sex...i've heard (read, discussed
>etc.) that the hormones which trigger sexual responses are remarkably
>similar (and sometimes the same) as those that leat to loss of tension
>and relaxation....so..seeeeeems to me, except in a specific medical 
>kind of way, (eg. treatment involving recovery from injury, in which
>case, yes, use a pro.) the sexual massage should solve all ills...
>What do you think?

From my reading and experience, really good massages (ie. therapeutic), very
seldom lead to sex, since they tend to turn the recipient into jello (pardon
the metaphor).  Here I'm talking about deep-muscle techniques that really
remove the stress from the muscles.

The turn on from massages shared by partners is mostly psychological (in my
experience).  In these cases, the relaxtion comes more from your ease with the
person involved than actual technique.

I know for me, receiving massages from friends (male and female) is pleasant
and tends to allow me to melt into the floor, but is seldom arousing.  On the
otherhand, massages with a girlfriend have a completely different nature and
result.

SITH
Rob
rnapier@csugrad.cs.vt.edu
From: s900881@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Nigel Patrick Cunningham)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Serious response to stupid post. (was Re: SPERM backrub)
Keywords: sperm, backrub, empathy
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:08:29 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

sykopath@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mickey) writes:

[ lots deleted, as only responding to last bit ]

>3) Empathy and massage: the essential ingredient.

>This is really more of a question than a point to make...

>I'd really like some feedback from other readers of this newsgroup,
>on how important empathy is in *your* massages...?

>To me, empathy is the central aspect of massage.  A massage which was
>not responsive to the recipient's reactions would be likely to do
>much more harm than good, IMHO.  No matter how good your technical
>skills are, if you apply them blindly and without regard to the
>state of the person they're being applied to, you're going to end
>up hurting them (if nothing else, people are put together in incredibly
>unique and different ways...what works wonderfully for one person will
>do nothing to another, and be positively painful for a third...)

I feel 'empathy' is not the right word here, caring and warmth may be
involved but empathy not necessarily.  Personally most of the massages
I have given have been in the privacy of my bedroom, with an intimate
partner: the massages were usually on request (although I often gave
footrubs if she looked particularly harassed, without being asked ).
During the back rub we often talked, thus I lent a generally sympathetic
ear, but I would hardly class it as being empathetic. I have big hands
which are reasonably strong and normally warm to the touch, but little 
*skill* (i.e no formal training) and yet I have sent highly strung young
ladies (only 2 but that's pural) to sleep in a very short time, (which 
is about as relaxed as you can get).
My point is that the close personal contact, rather than the massage
content in a back rub, is part of the relaxing component; which might 
be the point your trying to make also?

As for people being different, that goes without saying, but they're not
all that different in many aspects,with exceptions of course.

>Or is this just me?
>Feedback much appreciated, friends.
>*hugs*,
>Mickey.

just  giving my two bobs worth
 
 Nitro

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PS How's Stanford this time of year ? And where in the U.S. is it?
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: siobhan@microsoft.com (Siobhan Harper)
Subject: Re: backrubs
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:13:54 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1aobstINNn65@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> ST201434@brownvm.brown.edu (Hey Jude) writes:
>     I'm really wondering about the mindset of this individual.  Obviously he
>doesn't think of a massage as a strictly sexual experience, or else it
>would not be appropriate with family (well actually... ;-)  )   but at the same
>time, it's not okay for friends.  I also wonder about the distinction between
>someone who is "YOUR BOYFRIEND OR GIRLFRIEND" as opposed to someone who you are
>only "...TOTALLY IN LOVE WITH..."  etc....   The way I see it, is that this
>person would be more comfortable on alt.sex.massage or something like that.

Hi, Jude--

You make an important point, but in fairness, an individual with unclear
boundaries about touching and sex is far from unique in this society. In
my experience, most people are open to listening, and if one suspends their
judgment, one can sometimes find an opportunity to educate.

>     Dammit, when I typed reply, all I could think of was really obnoxious
>things to say to this guy, and basically what I thought of people with that
>kind of attitude in general.  But that seemed to end up ruder than I like to
>be, so I hope this all gets some sort of point across.

I understand your having that reaction. As a massage professional, I find
confusion between touching and sex to be an issue with which I have to deal
everyday. But I don't think insults convince people to listen, either. What
I do, typically, is clearly draw the line and then bring the person's at-
tention to that line. If the person respects the line, then we can work to-
gether; and if they want to know more about why the line is there, I will
explain it, and steer them to literature on the subject--Massage Therapy
Journal has some excellent articles by Ben Benjamin. If, even after I clear-
ly point it out, the person does not respect that boundary, then I will not
work with them, explaining the reason why. But if someone is not ready to
listen at one time, that does not mean they won't at another; insulting,
however, impedes receptiveness later on as well. That's why, even if I am
deeply offended at their attitude, I try(*) to maintain respect and distance.

(*) note verb ;)

>     MASSAGE IS NOT ABOUT SEX.  don't be so damn closed minded, please.

Massage _can_ be about sex; it just doesn't have to be. You are quite
right about professional massage; as an LMP, it is my job to make sure
that that boundary is not crossed, but that doesn't mean that two people
who are not in any kind of authority relationship can't combine the two.
A professional better not, for ethical reasons as well as legal, and I
appreciate your making that point. But I can understand why confusion
exists, in light of the mixed messages our society gives out about touching,
and I think perhaps your post could have taken the opportunity to educate.

--Siobhan Harper, LMP