HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: phi@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Aeleck)
Subject: Re: A Dumb Question, But...
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:18:54 GMT


In article <1992Nov6.180233.4572@athena.mit.edu> Charlie Fulton <charlie@isis.mit.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.035805.20856@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> Frederick
>Vaughn, fvaughn@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu writes:
>>I'm just curious as to what the "O" stands when people write "LGBO" in
>>their posts. Other? Something else I haven't thought of at all?
>
>The "O" stands for "omnisexual", i.e. people who are attracted to both
>living creatures and inanimate objects.
>
>Charlie

Er, Excuse me?  um,.......I may have this wrong, but the way it was described
to me when I first demuffined here was that the 'O' stood for the others in
the community that supported gay issues and rights.  That is the rare straight
or heterosexual that you come across that has an open-enough mind to see that 
we are actually living, breathing human beings, also.

Sorry, but that just hit a sore spot, I'll shut up now.
Patrick
                                             /  
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From: mut@aber.ac.uk (Michael O Thomas)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Morrisey (Was: LESBIGAY Musicians)
Date: 8 Nov 92 10:55:15 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <leroy.720748277@yak> leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy) writes:
>Michael O Thomas writes:
>>   His first solo single "Suedehead", the namesake book is the story of a
>>skinhead whose favorite past time is gay bashing.
>Suedehead *is* an english expression for "skinhead." (I think.) It doesn't
>refer to any particular one - or, at least, it wouldn't to Morrisey if 
>skinhead is actually just a slang term for skinhead in England.

   Suedehead is slang for a type of skinhead (they have marginally longer
hair than "skins"), the phrase was first coined in the Richard Allan novels
(he did a series, I only read the first one as it was disturbingly violent).

>> He uses neo-nazis as photographic back dxrops at his concerts.
>> He drapes himself in the flag.  
>Irony!

    Hmmm...

>Don't know anything about that. He's been called a rascist for saying (in one
>of the new songs): "we are the last truly British people you will ever know."
>Morrisey also considers the British to be twits - really ugly people. This,
>also, isn't a compliment.

   Great track, praises a football hooligan, Britains greatest export (Irony!)
The thing that really bugs me about Mozzer is the way he totally exploits his
"English" eccentric image.  In interviews he rarely talk about Britain, it's
always England this, England that and his American fans seem to lap it up.
Maybe I'm just pissed off that I missed  Euro-pride this year to see him at
Glastonbury and the bastard never showed.

>Btw (I have to point this out): I am not a Morrisey fan, in the sense that
>Morrisey fans are boring, wear too much black, are obsessive, hang off his 
>every word and irritate other people at parties. I just like his stuff.

   You forgot the fact we all smoke Gitanes.

Mike.
(Euro-fag).
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble)
Subject: Re: Yet another motss flame war
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:10:29 PST

In article <16794@umd5.umd.edu>, on 3 Nov 92 19:09:12 GMT,
jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:

>
>
>Previously, Jack B. Newsbaum (ecl4jn2@mvs.oac.ucla.edu)
>wrote [in article <19921028232740ecl4jn2@mvs.oac.ucla.edu>]:
>> >
>> >        ====Jack====
>> >
>
>whereas more recently he wrote:
>>
>>          =Jack=
>>
>
>Are we to take this as indicating some
>erosion in your commitment to equality?
>
No.

>--jns
>


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Having Voted, Bought Some Books
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 18:47:02 GMT


In article <140703@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> futor@llnl.gov (
better now ) writes:

>Yesterday's was the fifth presidential race I'd voted in.  I
>always expect more bombast when I pull the lever/poke the push-
>pin/make the mark, but it never comes.  I mean, I'm voting for
>the President of the United States of America -- I expect fan-
>fares here.  ;-)

Let there be fanfares, then, ...

>It was also the first time that the guy I voted for has won.

... and stately orisons.  Wrt to winners, I felt better about
this vote than I did about Johnson in 64 or Carter in 76.

>> As long as I'm reporting on my condition . . . my back felt
>> very tired from [ moving around, standing, & sitting which have
>> been nearly impossible for a while ] but not painful.  In short
>> things are quite improved.

>Yay!!  Orison works!  I hope those specialists tell you you're on
>the mend officially & that this problem goes away, never to darken
>your portal again.

Hardly anything darkens my portal these days.  Oh, but you
meant...  well, ne'mind!

In fact the two specialist folk spent about an hour
yesterday putting me in various positions, showing me useful
exercises, and in general being what I think was quite
helpful.  I'm to be zealous about the exercise regime and
report any further problems.  They didn't actually say what
the problem was, but from my having shown normal reflexes
and strength of all the tested types, I infer that no
lasting damage has occurred.  This relieves my mind no small
amount, for several times during the seven-week siege I
thought I could be well and truly dying.


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From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Boycott Worse than Pointless
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:53:00 GMT
Reply-To: ailanth!ailsa@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:

> In article <mattm-051192110133@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Ma
> >
> >God save Colorado from a tide of Totalitarian Tinkerbells.
> >
> >*X*
>
> Actually, we all need a few more Tinkerbells in our lives!!!

so who's going to start creating the Totalitarian Tinkerbells t-shirts?
i'll buy one when you do!  *grin*

or will the be the official soc.motss softball team?  now, THERE'S an
idea - softball-style t-shirts, with the team name as the Totalitarian
Tinkerbells!  what an item!  i want one!

                                             -ailsa

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: The Shoe Fits (was Re: Social Democracy)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:25:38 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <19921106012437ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>,
ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble) wrote:

> Matthew, you are a wicked boy! But a most worthy successor to the wild
> Sebastian Melmoth. He would be most proud.

Why, thank you.  As I've said before, I've never met a compliment
I didn't like.  And I've always depended on the kindness of 
strangers.

And do I *love* 'Totalitarian Tinkerbell!'  Oh, do I *ever*  It's
a pity you have taken such grief over such a delicious phrase.
To-tal-i-tar-i-an Tiiiiieeeennnkkkeeeerrbellllllllll...  

*Delicious*

*X*
(or perhaps Melmoth again, though it lacks a certain je ne say quaaaah)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.bbs.lists,soc.bi
Subject: Re: The Gay & Lesbian BBS List -- November 1992
Date: 6 Nov 1992 19:34:03 -0500
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, New Jersey, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: plts.uucp

In <1992Nov2.005048.5960@news.acns.nwu.edu> pyro@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Leedell J. Miller) writes:

>OZ BBS                  908-548-6253 9600

Calling OZ says that the phone number has be disconnected.

(I've sent email to the author)

Tom
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: spencer@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
Subject: Re: off-topic discussions (was Re: Novelty time!)
Reply-To: spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun)
Organization: Live Organ Transplants
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 01:39:20 GMT

In article <1dbse2INN8nb@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>
>When I get together with other gay people, we talk about
>more than just our sexual orientation.  We talk about movies.  
>About art.  About politics.  About travel.  About how utterly
>magnificent the Callas Lucia di Lammermoor recorded live
>in Berlin in 1955 is.  About the weather.  About books
>we've read.  About books we're reading.  About books we'd
>like to read.  About hiking.  About cars.  About food.

Great, but I don't think that has anything to do with the fact that you
all are gay.  All this means is...

>Soc.motss is gayspace where GLBOs can talk freely about whatever
>they'd like to talk about.  Just as I don't expect to like every
>GLBO I meet, I don't expect to like everything I read here.  What's
>the big deal?

... we have different ideas as to what exactly soc.motss should be for.
I'm sorry we disagree.

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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: RE: Colorado Blues
Date: Sat,  7 Nov 92 14:00:55 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <5NOV92.17351620@enh.nist.gov>

Sim Aberson writes:
>Rumor has it that Rehnquist wishes to retire so that he can go back  
>to teaching.

Oh, GAIA!  Let it be TRUE!  And then let Scalia and Thomas get
run down by a bus....
 
() The imposition of stigma is the commonest form of
() violence used in democratic societies.
()      -- R. A. Pinker
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Lou News.
Followup-To: alt.politics.homosexuality
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:48:53 GMT

   Heard on the radio:

   Lou Mabon today was quoted as saying that he was "very encouraged"
by the passage of Colorado-2 and that, with rewording, the Oregon
Citizen Alliances' proposed amendment to that state's constitution
could be made "more palatable to another voting segment."  Mabon
specifically mentioned "references to paedophila" as part of the "more
troubling" sections of the referendum.

               Elf !!!
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From: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM (Howard Solomon - SunExpress Support Engineer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re:  Gop's future; living with the enemy
Date: 5 Nov 1992 22:29:26 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: the-temple.east.sun.com

In article 12120152@enh.nist.gov, aberson@enh.nist.gov () writes:
>In a previous article, rrizzo@star-trek.bbn.com (Ron Rizzo) wrote a 
>wonderful, but very long article, of which I only discuss a small part:
>
>>TV pundits speculated last night whether the GOP would maul itself again in
>>factional infighting, as it did after Johnson's landslide against Goldwater
>>in 1964. 
>
>But they still somehow ended up winning just four years later.
>
>
>
>       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu

True, but that took the Vietnam debacle, the incumbent president 
deciding not to run, an assassination of the presumed nominee and 
a disastrous Democratic convention in Chicago that year (as well 
as the Southern backlash against Johnson's civil rights legislation).  
Even if Clinton screws up big, it would be hard to match the Democratic 
mess of 1968.  Besides, HHH almost won (and should have!).

Howard

PS Besides, the Republicans may lurch to the left.  Keep an eye on 
yet another Governor from Massachusetts (Bill Weld).  Voting between
Clinton and Weld could be an interesting choice for a lot of 
people.


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Howard I. Solomon			|ELECTION '92
Software Support Engineer, SunExpress	|Hold your nose and vote for Bill!
his@east.sun.com			|
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Teledildonics
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:19:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.081322.16312@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>bleah, shame on you for using this word for the Subject line, Jack.

Why so?  It's a great word, and teledildonics is the subject of one of the
chapters. 

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Xref: sparky soc.motss:46954 pnw.motss:76
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,pnw.motss
Subject: Oregon Journal (IV and final)
Date: 6 Nov 92 04:43:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.BxA2Fu.4ts
Organization: Open Communications Forum


[last in a series of journals on the Oregon Measure 9 fight]

Behind the disorganized jumble of papers, floppies, bills, books and
manuals that litter my desk is a little ceramic duck.  It's a relic from
before Barry and I met; its bill is broken off and it's got a major
crack down one side, a legacy of one of the half a dozen times we've
moved over the last 8 years.

This ugly duckling is the final resting place for all those little
random fragments of our lives that we didn't need anymore but
for one reason or other never threw away: a wisdom tooth, some
assorted buttons from long-gone slacks, a handful of pennies, and
a collection of political pins from battles won and lost.

Looking through these pins I relive a little of the the pains and
joys of campaigns past.  A pair of "I Was There" buttons from the 
'87 March on Washington.  An ERA YES button.  Our presidential
disappointments are well represented: America Take Hart '84,
Mondale/Ferraro, Lesbians and Gays for Jackson '88, Anybody But Ronnie '80,
George Bush #1 Peckerhead.  Ban AIDS.  Keep Kathy Mayor (Houston) and
No on 96/No on 102 (CA '88), the only successful campaigns in the bunch.  
Well, semi-successful: Prop 96 passed.  There are no total victories,
just as there are no total defeats.

A large green button urges a vote for Dallas Gay Alliance President
Bill Nelson for city council.

Rest in peace, Bill.  I wish you'd lived to see today.

Now I hold in my hand a purple and red button which is about to become the
latest addition to the collection.  It's a pretty button, as political
pins go, but there is nothing pretty about the memories it will evoke
in the years to come.  This is a victory more bitter than any of yesterday's
defeats.

Of all the buttons in the collection it represents the deepest pain,
the most stomach-wrenching emotions, the longest unrelenting nightmare
of fear.  This pin represents a campaign in which I beheld the abyss
for the first, and please dear sweet God, the last time in my life. 
Only now do I begin to comprehend who the "good Germans" were, and how
they could calmly stand by and allow their neighbors and coworkers to
be swallowed by the gathering darkness.

No on 9.  All the work and the waste and the senseless pain.

Still, a win is a win.  I toss it into the duck.

And dig out my trusty old No OCA Petitions pin.  It looks like 
Lon The Talking Pustule is going after abortion rights again.
We won a battle.  The war grinds on.
-- 
Brent Capps                          | 
bcapps@agora.rain.com (gay stuff)    | okay, but wash it first.
bcapps@atlastele.com (telecom stuff) |
From: laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: too controversial for NBC
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:36:07 GMT
Reply-To: laura@hoptoad.UUCP (God)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco

>As for the gay-bashing thing... this might not be so bad!  *Nowhere*
>does NBC say that gay themes are prohibited.  In fact, after seeing
>far too many "innocent-person-gets-gay-bashed-and-we-spend-the-whole-
>hour-singing-the-oppression-blues" episodes (not just on NBC, either),
>I hope that maybe some producers will take the challenge to develop
>gay-themed episodes with more positive and/or diverse topics.
>-- 
>Chris Thomas                                                (415) 390-4118
>S4/7 b g+ l y+ z+ n+ o+ x-/+ a++ u v-/+ j++                jct@mti.sgi.com

Did any of the rest of you read this and smile?  It wasn't that long
ago when having a Gay character at all was a major victory.  We're
winning this one, gang.  We well and truly are.  Thank you
Chris for making my day (er.. night... er... 24 hour segment!)
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From: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:48:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov13.014848.3410
Reply-To: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Colorado Springs, CO
Originator: tchrist@pixel.convex.com
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

From the keyboard of gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand):
:tf> If he/she uses anything other than your qualifications in determining 
:    whether you get hired, or how much of a raise you get, then he/she is
:    discriminating.
:
:  Which isn't automatically a bad thing. 

Oh, I think you're wrong.  Aren't you committed to hiring and devloping
the most capable and qualified individuals?  Why should selection and
placement of an employee be based on anything but the ability of the
individual to meet the requirements of the available positions?

--tom
From: martin@inf.rl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Skin-heads
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:04:52 GMT


While I was in San Francisco (Oops place-name dropping again) I met
up with Jay Marsden (Oops name dropping again). For those of you
less informed than you should be, she used to make the best floggers
in the world. Sadly, she due to RSI, she is too ill to make any more.
Anyway she expressed an interest in the skin-head/British Fascist
movement. She was not sure exactly what the skin-head "look" was, so I
said I would send her some post cards.

A similar request was made to me by a gay skin-head friend (Oops
no name drop) in SF, once that was, I had untied him and his mouth
was emptied of objects making speech overly challenging. He was
interested in a coffee-table type book of skin head and punk photos.
I knew exactly the book he would be interested in, and where to find it.

Both these items can be found in a shop in Carnaby street. You want
something; I know where in London you can find it (born to shop!).
I walked into the shop and was confronted by three skin-head sales
assistants wearing T-Shirts with "Straight as Fuck" on the front
and "Kill all Homo Arse Fuckers" on the back. I was wearing
a T-Shirt with "I can't even think straight" on it, luckily under a jacket.
I realised at this point I may have made a mistake, because even without
this homily on display my appearance leaves no doubt in the mind of
the observer as to my sexual orientation - skin-head haircut
notwithstanding.

The way the assistants were staring antagonistically in my direction,
left me in no doubt that had our encounter been on a darkened street corner,
that I would been severely ruffled. The sexual objectification of skin-heads
by gay-men was obviously anathema to these particular gentlemen.

The shopping instinct kicked in and I was saved by this "almost genetic"
need to shop over-powering the need for flight. The post cards were collected
in a flourish but there was no sign of the book. I knew it was in the shop
as I have seen it in there before. I had to ask. The book was in the window
and one very annoyed looking skin got it for me. I paid and left - shaken, stirred
and rather aroused.

A question - why do I find the skin-head look so sexy?
Maybe it is just the idea of tieing them up and beating shit out of
them, in a pure and loving way of course ;^}

BTW - An experience not recommended for the feint-hearted.

Your Martin

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             i say "yes sir, no sir, whatever you say sir."..
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell)
Subject: Re: Colorado tactics
Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:52:38 GMT

My printout of #2 is at home, but didnt it say that the state can not recognize
sexual orientation as a basis for a discrimination claim? (I know it singled
out homosexuals, but didn't it have more general wording too?)
			Tom
From: jtroxel@carson.u.washington.edu (Joseph Troxel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: News From the Front -- Boulder
Keywords: fund/consciousness raising
Date: 10 Nov 92 05:45:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov10.054539.11542
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Nov10.010119.25192@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

>>>It was rumoured that the campus organization has designed a T-shirt that has
>>>	"Don't shoot, I'm actually a Black Bear"
>>>printed over a large pink triangle (In reference to the black bear protection
>>>ordinance which overwhelmingly passed in Tuesday's election #10)...  Now that
>>>black bears have more rights than we do...

>>Regarding the T-shirt--it struck me as a great
>>way to raise funds, and perhaps some consciousness, if such a T-shirt
>>(that also included brief text explaining its meaning, i.e. bear protection,

I'll take two. Gimme an address and the check's on its way.