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Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Kazmaier and standing up at 200,000 lbs:  why it can't happen
Date: 3 Oct 92 03:34:20 GMT
Organization: HTE




#include <stdio.h>
#include <math.h>

void main( void);

void main()
{
   double tolift, base350, weight, limit;

   weight  =  pow( 200000.0, .67);
   tolift  =  1350.0;
   base350 =  pow(350.0, .67);

   limit   = (tolift /base350) * weight;

   printf  (" limit = %f\n", limit);

}


I have (sufficiently often), on t.o.  presented a rather simple and
elegant demonstration as to why nothing now evolves into any size beyond
that of the largest elephants, and the regular crew of t.o has never
been able to comprehend it.  Further, they attmpt to shout me down,
fifty voices chiming in calling me an idiot and attempting to
demonstrate that efficiencies for super large animals would be greater
than those for large human sized animals.  That this contravenes all
observable data bothers them not at all.

I would like to run this one by again in something of a different form,
to see if comprehension can be jogged a little.

We know that two-thirds power of body weight is the normal scaling
factor for all competitive lifting events;  it inverts the effect of the
square/cubed problem which confronts living creatures as they grow
larger.

For "normal" sized athletes, dividing by 2/3 power of weight causes
world record lifts of all sorts across most weight division (excluding
only the very large and small) to nearly line up; the numbers are nearly
identical.

Let's forget about sauropod dinosaurs for a moment and consider Bill
Kazmaier, the king of the power lifters during the seventies and early
eighties, and one of the strongest men of our age.  Bill could do squats
and dead-lifts with 1000 lbs or slightly more on a bar.  Since Bill
weighed around 350 lbs (solid), this gave him a ratio of lift of around
27.

The t.o crew has often told me that sauropods do not resemble Kazmaier.
Fine.  Let's consider Kaz versus a 200,000 version of himself.  How much
would he be able to squat at 200000 lbs.  The 2/3 power of weight should
CERTAINLY work for this, since the only thing involved here is scaling.

The little program above, or anything like it, will tell you that at
200000 lbs, Kaz would be able to squat no more than around 94,950 lbs.

Not even half his weight.  He'd not be able to stand up, and if he
wasn't crushed by his own weight and suffocated, he would be eaten by
wolves, hyenas, lions, evolutionists, astronomers, and other such
villians while he was trying to devise a way to support himself.

Further, if you substitute 2000 for the 1350 figure given for squats (so
as to figure a combined total of squat and bench press for a max
theoretical possible lift) you get no more than around 140,000 lbs.
I.e. he'd not even be able to lift himself using arms AND legs.

The only conceivable thing which would let Kaz stand up at 200,000 lbs,
would be the attenuated perceived gravity of the antique world.

Now, back to sauropod dinosaurs.  Kazmaier, of course, worked out many
hours a day with barbells and used food to flavor his dyanabol with.
There was little or no fat on Kaz.  Most of Kaz's weight was muscle
mass.  A sauropod dinosaur was a leaf eater;  most of his weight was the
vast digestive machinery needed for handling immense quantities of
leaves and vegetation.  A sauropod would have nothing like the per-pound
strength of an athlete like Kazmaier.  The problems which Kaz would have
(in our world, felt effect of gravity being what it is now) at 200,000
lbs would be far worse for a sauropod, which would be nowhere near as
strong.

Again, the standard weight figures for the ultrasaur (e.g. from
McGowan), is 360,000 lbs.

Is that a little bit easier to comprehend?
















 





-- 
Ted Holden
HTE