HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: comp.databases,comp.databases.informix
Subject: Re: Informix vs. Oracle
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:17:54 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

mathews@bones.ecs.umass.edu (Mathew J Mathews) writes:

>Thanks for all the replies and postings.

>I have compiled a list of the comments mailed to me, if anyone is interested
>I can post it.  The replies were mostly in favor of Oracle.  Actually,
>he score is about --

>		Oracle:		A gazillion
>		Informix:	1

All of the replies that were actually posted on the net were
in favor of Informix.  Perhaps you can share your replies
that favor Oracle.  We would certainly be interested in what
they had to say.


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Newsgroups: comp.databases
From: jbestwic@sunrise.Berkeley.EDU (J. Bestwick)
Subject: Re: Standard for Data Dictionary
Reply-To: jbestwic@uk.oracle.com
Organization: Oracle UK.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 08:21:39 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.


In article <1992Sep1.164309.28271@linus.mitre.org>, vv@mbunix.mitre.org
(Ventrone) writes:
>The only DD standard that I am aware of is IRDS, which is defined in several
>ANSI standards:  the Information Model, Command Language Interface 
>(X3.138-1988) and a Services Interface (X3.185-1992).  You might also check
>an article that appeared in Comm. of the ACM by Daniel Dolk & Robert Kirsch,
>"A Relational Info. Resource Dictionary System", Vol. 30 No. 1, Jan 87.

As well as the American National Standards mentioned above, there is a
newer International Standard IRDS Service Interface which has recently
been approved, though I believe that it has not yet completed its
administrative processing.  This document is IS 10728, and is based on
relational technology.

IRDS standards development is continuing, with technical work underway to
add OO features to the relational IRDS defined in IS 10728.  The U.S.
IRDS standards commitee, of which I am a member, is actively involved in
that.

You might also be interested in the CDIF (CASE Data Interchange Format) work,
which is defining standard Data Dictionary data models and file transfer
formats.  

John Bestwick
jbestwic@uk.oracle.com

Newsgroups: comp.databases
From: u9048979@cc.uow.edu.au (glen eastment)
Subject: Re: Help with Clipper5.01!!
Keywords: Clipper, Read
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 02:33:55 GMT

green@rwja.umdnj.edu (Cliff Green) writes:

>cslib@cc.newcastle.edu.au (DOUGLAS SCOTT) writes:


>>  Example:    @ 1,1 SAY "Enter first variable:" COLOR "w+/b"
>>	      @ 1,20 GET M->var1 PICTURE "XXXX" COLOR "bg+/b"
>>	      
>>	      IF M->var1 == "TEST"
>>	         @ 2,1 SAY "Enter second variable:" COLOR "w+/b"
>>	         @ 2,20 GET M->var2 PICTURE "9999" COLOR "bg+/b"
>>              ENDIF
>>	      READ

>>	All I want to do is to be able to check each variable as it is entered
>>  in the respective field. Is there an easy way?

>I haven't actually tried it, but isn't that what the WHEN clause is for?
>(e.g., @ x,y say "Blah" get blah when m->fubar =="TEST")

Actually the VALID clause would be better.
WHEN is for pre-validation, but VALID is for post-validation.
Post-validation is handy, because it waits till the user enters the
data in the current get. Pre-validation is handy when determining whether
to activate that get at all.

eg. get customer number only if (WHEN) customer number has not allready been 
entered. Check if customer number has been entered correctly (VALID).

Cheers!.

<GE> a.k.a. u9048979@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au
From: pchua@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: FoxPro 2.0 SQL - outer join
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:41:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: ac.1992Sep4.164144.7346
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

I am trying to use FoxPro 2.0 SQL to perform a Master/Detail join (or
left outer natural join) for my application reports but having
difficulty to do so. Let say I have a Master table STUDENT with
fields id, lastname, firstname and a Detail table COURSE with fields id,
courseid. The following is my SQL command:

SELECT	student.id,			;
	student.lastname,		;
	student.firstname,		;
	course.courseid 		;
FROM	student,			;
	course 				; 
WHERE	student.id = course.id		;

UNION 					;

SELECT	student.id,			;
	student.lastname,		;
	student.firstname,		;
	'' AS courseid	 		;
FROM	student				;
WHERE	NOT EXISTS 			;
	(				;
	SELECT	*			;
	FROM	course			;
	WHERE	student.id = course.id	;
	)

The problem is at "'' AS courseid". I am not sure what is the syntax in
FoxPro to assign an empty string for courseid. Any suggestion?

My other concern is the performance of the outer join. Besides
introducing redundency control by maintaining a detail existence flag
for each master row , are there any other approaches? Suggestions would
be appreciated.


Poh Chua (e-mail: PCHUA@AC.DAL.CA)
Dalhousie University
From: jeffl@houdini.sybase.com (Jeff Lichtman)
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: Re: SYBASE: stored procedures and permissions
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:02:10 GMT
Organization: Committee to Increase The Entropy

In article <1992Aug14.012728.16969@manitou.cse.dnd.ca>, pburry@manitou.cse.dnd.ca (Paul Burry) writes:
> If as the dbo I define
> 
> 	create proc a as return 
> 	go
> 	create proc b as exec a
> 	go
> 	grant execute on b to public
> 	go
> 
> then when as myself I try to use 'b', I get an error stating that I do not
> have execute permission on 'a'.

This is bug #18773.  It is fixed in future versions of the SQL Server.

Fodder for the (*&$*&^% news program that refuses to post unless I write
more than whom I am quoting:

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah 
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah 
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah 
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah 
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah 
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah 
---
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"Saints should always be judged guilty until they are proved innocent..."
Xref: sparky comp.databases:6356 comp.databases.theory:403 comp.databases.oracle:1393
From: map@sequent.com (Michael Perry)
Newsgroups: comp.databases,comp.databases.theory,comp.databases.oracle
Subject: Re: Is this a bug or a limitation of the SQL language
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:06:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Aug26.230630.105
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <1992Aug26.090643.1318@decuk.uvo.dec.com> sobczak@tplab.enet.dec.com (Piotr Sobczak) writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug23.074048.16681@prism.poly.edu>, sjha@prism.poly.edu (Salil Kumar Jha) writes:
>|> Xref: uvo.dec.com comp.databases:19031 comp.databases.theory:378 comp.databases.oracle:1346
>|> Newsgroups: comp.databases,comp.databases.theory,comp.databases.oracle
>|> Path: uvo.dec.com!rdg.dec.com!news.crl.dec.com!deccrl!caen!destroyer!gatech!news.ans.net!cmcl2!prism.poly.edu!sjha
>|> From: sjha@prism.poly.edu (Salil Kumar Jha)
>|> Subject: Is this a bug or a limitation of the SQL language
>|> Message-ID: <1992Aug23.074048.16681@prism.poly.edu>
>|> Organization: Polytechnic University, New York
>|> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 07:40:48 GMT
>|> 
>|> I tried to do this query in Oracle and DB2 and both failed. I know its
>|> not allowed but why not?
>|> 
>|> Assume the use of the classic oracle emp table
>|> 
>|> select * from emp 
>|> where salary between
>|> (select salary from emp where ename = 'Larry')
>|> and
>|> (select salary from emp where ename = 'John')
>|> 
>|> Isnt this the best way of finding all people whose salaries lie between those
>|> of Larry and John (without knowing whose is larger)
>|> 
>|> sjha@prism.poly.edu
>|> 
>|> 
>
>FWIW, I just tried the syntax above on Rdb/VMS and it worked.
>
>
>Piotr

Did you have multiple rows with Larry and John in it?  The problem is
that if you have two rows with Larry and one is $50,000 and the
other is $60,000 which one gets plugged into the query?

Mike
From: michaelh@g2syd.genasys.com.au (Michael Haldey)
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: Re: Clipper 5.01 error with dos 5.0 loaded high
Date: 28 Aug 92 05:23:46 GMT
Organization: Genasys II, Sydney, Australia

In article <l9qiugINN7rd@mizar.usc.edu> lapworth@mizar.usc.edu (Bill Lapworth) writes:
>Sometimes when I run a clipper created .exe file, I get this error msg:
>  error est0001: Illegal format in loadable file
>
>Until today using dos 5.0 loadfix to execute the file OR not loading 
>dos high would run the program ok.  But today I used loadfix and got
>the same error.  My pc is pretty stable except for this problem, does
>anybody have any clues?

Really looks strange... There are some ideas:
	1. Do not use PLLs :)
	2. run a number of TSRs (best is just ng), then run your module.
	3. Use another linker (blinker)

What loadfix does is it loads a module above 1st segment (64k). I have no
ideas why it may fail.

My 0.01
michael
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Newsgroups: comp.databases
From: aahz@netcom.com (Aahzmandius)
Subject: Re: Paradox: Listing .VAL and .SET files HOW?
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 18:13:14 GMT
Organization: Bill 'n' Opus for Prez
Keywords: paradox

In article <1992Sep1.115535.6413@iscsvax.uni.edu> wilsonl@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>Does anyone know of a way to list all the editing constraints developed for a
>table in PARADOX?  These would the the constaints contained in the .VAL and
>.SET files?  Help would be appreciated.

Check Kallista's Desktop, (312) 663-0101.
-- 
                         --- Aahz (the *other* Dan Bernstein)
                             @netcom.com 

Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6

So much Astroglide.  So little time.
Newsgroups: comp.databases
From: ddennis@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dave Dennis)
Subject: need SIC-codes database
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix (sponsored by U. of Denver Math/CS dept.)
Disclaimer1: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of
Disclaimer2: Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
Disclaimer3: control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 00:48:59 GMT

Sorry if this should be somewhere else... does someone have a list of 
SIC-codes of businesses and their descriptions? (4 digit SIC codes would
be fine).

email to below

Thanks

Dave
From: dieter@dischw.toppoint.de (Dieter Fritzsche)
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: Re: Simple Question on Paradox
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 22:43:18 MEZ
Distribution: world
Organization: Private Waffle Site

naren@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Naren Bala) writes:
>
> For those of you who are experts at using paradox, I had a simple question.
> I have started using paradox. Can anyone tell me how to merge 2 tables into
> one table ?  Any help will be appreciated. 
> Thanks
> 
First  I am not an expert, but an expirienced user,
The question is what does merge mean, do you have two tables of the same
structure or two tables with a few equal fields and even more different fields.
The first thing is easy to solve use ADD "table1" "table2" and Table2 contains
all records of table1 too.
The second thing is to be solved by a query on two tables being connected by
example fields, and then you can set check marks on all fields you need for
the answer table.

If this does not help at all please email, i 'll send you PAL-Code to solve
your special problem.

                                                dieter

Dieter Fritzsche                                      dieter@dischw.toppoint.de
Maehlsweg 32 ,D-2300 Kiel 17, Germany                         Master of the WOM
Tel.: +49 431 362705 (Voice)        +49 431 361437 V32bis    (Login unreliable)
From: ageorge@ra.nrl.navy.mil
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: Re: Databases using OSI
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:39:06 GMT
Reply-To: ageorge
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington DC
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

In article <1992Aug28.071834.57@taney.uscghq.uscg.mil>, roseberry@taney.uscghq.uscg.mil writes...
> 
>	What database products claim to have hooks into OSI ?
> 
>	Like a good little government office we are specify GOSIP
>	but I don't recall any databases making claims for OSI
>	although most seem to support TCP/IP.
> 
>	- Bert Roseberry
>	  US Coast Guard
> 
>	  roseberry@taney.uscghq.uscg.mil
	Bert,

	INGRES is a database product that claims to have hooks into OSI.
Specifically, INGRES/NET underscores this claim. I quote from
INGRES documentation:

"INGRES/NET is an implementation of the upper four layers of the ISO/OSI
communication service layers: the Application Layer, the Presentation Layer,
the Session Layer, and the Transport Layer."

	Hope this helps,

	Arthur George, NRL
	ageorge@BDCI143.nrl.navy.mil

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of
the US Govt, NRL, my employer, or anyone else FTM.
From: DEVRIES@NAUVAX.UCC.NAU.EDU (Ernie DeVries)
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: Re: Disappearing key fields in Paradox 3.5...
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:23:11 GMT

Have you run the TUTIL on these tables?  It will strip away any key field
designations.
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From: tertium@milton.u.washington.edu (l boyd)
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: Re: research Database needed - help!
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:26:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: milton.tertium.715019168
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington

sethg@dcatlas.dot.gov (Seth Grimes) writes:

>But I see that you're at an .edu Internet domain.  If you're at an educational
>institution you might be able to get a commercial DBMS at a large discount from
>commercial prices.  For instance, Ingres, which I use and which runs on Suns


A true story!  I have worked with Oracle over the last few months, and they
gave us a *very* large discount that made it possible for us to use their
dbms.  I am delighted with Oracle, btw.


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From: limsoon@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Limsoon Wong)
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: Re: nested SQL select
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:37:03 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Aug25.161811.6054@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti) writes:
>Editorial comment:  This posting is more of an academic exercise
>than of practical interest.  All I am trying to show is that any
>_pure_ relational algebra expression can be translated into a
>single SQL SELECT-statement -- for what it's worth ...
>
[stuff deleted]
>
>  project[...](R - S)  ---->  project[...](R) - project[...](S)

This one is not correct under the usual set-based semantics,
since after the omission of some columns, previous distinct
rows in R can become identified.

                                       Limsoon Wong.
From: wai@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Julian Wai)
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: Standard for Data Dictionary
Date: 1 Sep 92 03:48:13 GMT
Organization: Murdoch University

Hi,

Is there a standard for data dictionary?  Any information, references are
appreciated.

Thanks in advance
julian
wai@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.databases
From: shah@tay1.dec.com (Amitabh Shah)
Subject: Re: distributed transactions
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, TAY1, Littleton MA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:56:15 GMT


On Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:44:30 GMT, edwards@world.std.com (Jonathan Edwards) said:

> In article <9208210244.AA07031@hplwk.hpl.hp.com> albert@HPLWK.HPL.HP.COM (Joseph Albert) writes:
>>
>>If a non-blocking commit protocol is used, any transaction started at
>>a remote site which went down can be aborted, releasing its locks, and
>>leaving the database in a transaction-consistent state.
>>
> Could you site some references or examples for this statement?
> Certainly the conventional 2-phase commit protocol (which is what is
> implemented by all commercial instances of distributed TP that I know of)
> can easily leave you in a blocked-or-inconsistent state.

A non-blocking commit protocol will have to be at least a 3-phase commit. It
was shown by Dale Skeen ("Non-blocking Commit Protocols", I think it's in ACM
SIGMOD proceedings, circa 1981). Skeen also proves that by inserting a third
phase called "prepare to commit" (between the canonical "wait" and "commit"
phases of the 2-phase commit), one can avoid blocking. Thus, 3-phase is a
necessary and sufficient condition for non-blocking. 

Of course, you have to pay the penalty for the third phase (an extra round of
communication between the coordinator and its cohorts); this can be
substantial. One way of reducing this overhead is to have few sites (>2)
execute the 3-phase protocol; the others can still execute 2-phase. As long as
one of the first set is operational, this will be a non-blocking commit. This
way one can have a non-blocking protocol with a very high probability. 

Most of this discussion has been academic: I don't know of any real
(commercial) db product using 3-phase commit.

-amitabh.



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Newsgroups: comp.databases
From: rayn@beatscpc.SanDiego.NCR.com (Ray Nieto)
Subject: Re: TP monitors for SunOs, 3278 drivers.
Followup-To: comp.databases 
Reply-To: rayn@beatscpc.SanDiego.NCR.com (Ray Nieto)
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:56:06 GMT

In article <BtyptM.GMD@cup.hp.com>, dhepner@cup.hp.com (Dan Hepner) writes:
  ...<very good history/definition of TP monitors deleted>.....

> 
> Then the different products go their own way, especially in answering
> the question "what does a Unix TP monitor monitor?"
>
True.  Besides those things Dan mentions, based on our 25+ years in the 
OLTP market, NCR has found that a couple of key features needed for large,
OLTP enterprises are robust administrative capabilities (both system 
definition and runtime administration) and robust security services 
(authentication, authorization, and message security).

In article  <25442@castle.ed.ac.uk> simon@castle.ed.ac.uk (Simon Brown)
writes: 
> >However, it does you much less good 
> >if your front-end is an enormous network of dumb terminals, or even
semi-dumb
> >terminals like IBM 3278s.
>
Although UNIX OLTP is becoming more and more popular, one thing which 
TP Monitor vendors have to face is their ability to support existing "legacy"
systems.  Customers have lots of $$$  invested in these systems (like a
large 3278 network) and are not going to just throw them out.  TOP END,
for example, offers support for 3270 networks like yours, Simon.  They
can act as clients in a TOP END system, and make use of TOP END's screen
definition utilities.

There are also other answers for other "legacy" type systems.  As Dan
mentioned, the different UNIX TP Monitor products go their own way in 
addressing these issues.

-Ray

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Newsgroups: comp.databases,comp.unix.aix
From: jmp@sobeco.com (j.pigeon)
Subject: DBVISTA & lockmgr errno=22
Organization: Sobeco Ernst & Young
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:21:37 GMT
Summary: Request helps to "terminate" a nasty error in the lockmgr
Keywords: DBVISTA, AIX, lockmgr, errno=22


Hi netlander!


	we are experiencing probleme with one of our application:
	
	From the DBVISTA (version 3.20) lockmgr enter in a dead loop
	and send continiously the message "MSGRCV error 22"; according
	errno and msgrcv function, the trouble is an "invalide msgqueueid"
	in the msgrcv system function call.

	Facts:
	1) That append only on AIX (3.2), we have two other platforms
	   (Mips and SCO) where the probleme never occur (same application
	   build around DB-VISTA).

	
	2) The repetition probleme is cause by a slight default in
	   the code from Raima, but the wrong msgqueueid must be a real
	   problem...


	3) It seems there is no relationship between load (number of
	   users connected to the application via the lockmngr) and
	   the problem occurence.


	Questions:
	1) Did somebody experienced such problem? (how did you resolve it?)

	2) Could somebody suggest a way to duplicate the probleme at will?


	Could you email your answer to jmp@sobeco.com.

Thanks for your help.

PS:	I call Raima, but they were not really helpfull,
	- "Never seens such a problem"
	- "Will have a new release for AIX someday"
	- "Call you later as soon we have new data"



-- 

Jean-Marc Pigeon
jmp@sobeco.com, jmp@comback.uucp

Newsgroups: comp.databases,comp.databases.theory,comp.databases.oracle
From: sobczak@tplab.enet.dec.com (Piotr Sobczak)
Subject: Re: Is this a bug or a limitation of the SQL language
Reply-To: sobczak@tplab.enet.dec.com (Piotr Sobczak)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 09:06:43 GMT


In article <1992Aug23.074048.16681@prism.poly.edu>, sjha@prism.poly.edu (Salil Kumar Jha) writes:
|> Xref: uvo.dec.com comp.databases:19031 comp.databases.theory:378 comp.databases.oracle:1346
|> Newsgroups: comp.databases,comp.databases.theory,comp.databases.oracle
|> Path: uvo.dec.com!rdg.dec.com!news.crl.dec.com!deccrl!caen!destroyer!gatech!news.ans.net!cmcl2!prism.poly.edu!sjha
|> From: sjha@prism.poly.edu (Salil Kumar Jha)
|> Subject: Is this a bug or a limitation of the SQL language
|> Message-ID: <1992Aug23.074048.16681@prism.poly.edu>
|> Organization: Polytechnic University, New York
|> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 07:40:48 GMT
|> 
|> I tried to do this query in Oracle and DB2 and both failed. I know its
|> not allowed but why not?
|> 
|> Assume the use of the classic oracle emp table
|> 
|> select * from emp 
|> where salary between
|> (select salary from emp where ename = 'Larry')
|> and
|> (select salary from emp where ename = 'John')
|> 
|> Isnt this the best way of finding all people whose salaries lie between those
|> of Larry and John (without knowing whose is larger)
|> 
|> sjha@prism.poly.edu
|> 
|> 

FWIW, I just tried the syntax above on Rdb/VMS and it worked.


Piotr
From: wagner@lub001.lamar.edu
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: 4D
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:32:12 +1700
Organization: Lamar University - Beaumont

	I am trying to locate any information on fourth dimension.  Any help
or pointers would be appreciated.  I am not even sure what type of machines it
currently runs on.  Thanks for the info.

Kenneth Wagner
Lamar University
wagner@lub001.lamar.edu
Newsgroups: comp.databases