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From: Gess Shankar <gess@knex.via.mind.ORG>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: V-MailServer 1.22
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 08:26:29 EST
Reply-To: <gess@knex.via.mind.ORG> (Gess Shankar)
Organization: |<><>| Knowledge Exchange, GA, USA |<><>|

rick@vsystem.wimsey.bc.ca (Rick Vandenberg) writes:

> Version 2.0, slated for release in February, handles multiple
> addresses, up to 128 characters in length.  This is an MSDOS limitation.
> I cannot use the longer Unix command line, because V-MailServer doesn't
> queue files directly in the Waffle spool queue. Instead it calls RMAIL
> to handle the delivery of the messages.  V-MailServer is designed to
> work with any MSDOS UUCP software - Waffle, UUPC, whatever.  To allow it
> to create the actual spool files would for me to write code to support a
> half-dozen different UUCP packages.  Their format could change at any
> time, and would cause be no end of grief.
> 
V-MailServer creates its own queue files, but it generates individual
command and data files for each address. I suppose this facilitates
passing it to the mailing agent such as Rmail. I suggest an option
(configurable) that will generate one data file with most of the
headers set and individual command files. V-MailServer (vmailx) can
use these to create the queue files of the host (rnews or whatever).
Anyone wishing to change the scheme of things can write a program to
take the above and create the spool they want including 512 byte
address lines. V-MailServer itself can include such a utility or 3rd
parties can step in. If the format changes (what doesn't), one still
has the option of using the native code (rnews in Waffle), while scrambling
to update the add-on. ;-)

> 
> 
> I don't know why the mailing list would receive the subscribe request
> also, except that maybe the mail-server alias points to both the
> mail server _and_ the mailing list.  By the way, the necessity to use

No amount of aliasing is going to prevent mail-server commands
appearing on the list, if the command is addressed to the list.
Happens all the time and in all the lists, much to the annoyance of
subscribers, who create more off-topic mail by flaming. I have decided
to semi-moderate my list and I filter out such boo-boos and bounce the
command with a note to the sender. Takes work, but, hey,I am a caring
person ;-)

GeSS
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From: dalew@twiki.PDX.COM (Dale Weber)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.bbs.misc,alt.bbs,news.software.readers
Subject: Re: .QWK mail reader for Waffle
Summary: BWAVE212.ARJ has been released
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 05:57:48 PST
Organization: Wafflemania Unlimited - Portland, OR USA

slewis@whitebase.ukp.com (Scott Lewis) writes:

>         Try looking at BlueWave 2.11, a few minor bug fixes.  I never had 
> that problem with 2.10, might have been your setup, but if it was a bug and 
> I just didn't notice it, I'd imagine it's been fixed (kind of hard for 
> something like that to slip by beta testers).

  The BlueWave reader v2.12 is out now.  I am planning to install the WFS
mail server here real soon and then will have all the BlueWave, Waffle, and
a few other directories worth of files available via that.  My system picks
up all the latest BlueWave beta and release files directly from the
author's system, but only release files will be available through my mail
server.

  8-Dale

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From: root@cibbs.UUCP (Mark Buckaway)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: WafflineMail with Waffle 1.65..does it work?
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 17:40:09 EST
Organization: DataSoft Consulting (Toronto, Ont. Canada)

ranfry@mala.proteus.qc.ca (Ranfry) writes:

> Speaking for myself, NO.  That is I never was able to make Waffline 1.0 
> work with Waffle 1.65.  I someone HAS been able, please tell me and Alonso
> how.

I must have posted this several times. Wafmail works. It is poorly written and
I'd love to get my hands on the current source to fix it. The only two
glitches I ever ran into is the "swapping" feature which barfs all over the
place if a hard disk cache is used on the system, and the batch file skeem
used if bad. Too many things are assumed. If some uploads messages and there
is an error, the system will sit there asking the sysop or local user to
delete [Y/N]?. Downed my system twice until I figured out a way around this.

If you need help, I've got it going and ran through the problems of getting it
going. It's been working fine for the last couple months now. Email me if you
have questions on it.

Mark

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp
From: fitz@wang.com (Tom Fitzgerald)
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 02:06:37 GMT

> > The problem is that if every Tom, Dick and Harriet with a PC registers as a
> > second-level name under .pri, then you end up with a DNS zone containing 
> > literally millions of RR's, which are all being queried constantly. Massive
> > capacity and adminstrative problems.

tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us (Tony DeBari) writes:

> I think you might be overestimating a bit here.  Although there are
> millions of PC's out there, I suspect only a small fraction of them
> are, or would want to become, sites connected to "the net".  Thousands
> maybe, but not millions.  

It's dangerous to assume things like this when you design a new network.
The original Internet was designed to allow for 254 networks (more than
enough, right?), and was later hacked to allow for 16K medium-sized
networks, and now people who could be creating neat new services for us are
spending lots of time trying to figure out what to do when that 16K runs
out.

If we need something like a .pri domain (or better, a misc.us), we can
probably put something together that won't choke on its own success.

-- 
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1-508-967-5278   Lowell MA, USA                   It was closed...."
From: pat%patsbbs@frcs.alt.za
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: uucico G protocol patch
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 08:48:13 SAST
Organization: Pats System in Pretoria, RSA +27-12-73-2573

Help!

I saw a reference in this newsgroup to a patch for uucico to 
allow it to support the 'G' protocol as an alternative to 'g'.
Can someone please point me to where that I can get details
of this patch!

Many thanks in anticipation

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From: bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: The woes of ^Z
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 23:25:57 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: 1776 Enterprises, Sudbury MA

phil@miracle.com (Phil Hill) writes:
>bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe) writes:
>>I have neither the right nor the inclination to speak for Tom, who can ob-
>>viously speak for himself, but my $0.02 is that "text" mode may indeed have
>>been the right choice for Waffle.  I suspect that Waffle would be bigger, 
>>and possibly slower, if it used "raw" mode (and therefore had to do its own 
>>EOL checking).  Size is an important consideration, since I believe that 
>>Tom has made sure that even the latest version will run on a 640K machine.
>>Most users never encounter the ^Z problem, and fixing it may hurt more 
>>users than it helps.
> 
>Another person who doesn't understand how computer I/O really works...
> 
>For your information, "raw" mode is *FASTER* than text mode.  Text mode has
>to do several things, like scan for newlines and ^Z's.  Raw mode just gets
>the data from disk without processing it.

Thank you for your insightful analysis of my understanding of computer I/O.
You'll have to forgive me, but I'm not altogether sure that you got my point.
Raw mode is faster because it does less, and some of the less that it does 
(such as newline checking), Waffle needs.  If the file system doesn't find 
the newlines, then Waffle has to find them, presumably in a second scan of 
the incoming character stream.  I'd be surprised if Waffle could do this 
search as quickly as the file system (which has to count the characters any-
way) could do it.  But as you say, what do I know?

>The use of text mode was a *LAZY* decision (or an ommission, cause Tom for-
>got about ^Z processing).  It doesn't change the fact that it is a BUG.

I don't know Tom personally, but you're the first person I ever heard call
him lazy or forgetful.  I wish all the commercial software that I use were as 
reliable as Waffle.

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From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: rnews.exe, rfc 1036, and continuation lines in headers
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 17:55:29 MST
Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada
X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.97

[DOS waffle]

how many people are using rnews from the command-line?  I've got some news
I'm pumping through rnews using `rnews d:/path/filename' and it's got headers
like so (to prevent >80 column lines)

  <data@no-one.here.but.us.chickens.org>

rnews.exe seems to be stripping off the second line, which appears to be
in nonconformance with rfc1036.  I've tried both the ones that came with
1.64 and 1.65.

I have been warned that continuation lines might be dropped frequently by
non-waffle packages also.  is it that common?

does anyone have any ideas?  you might want to mail me questions directly
so I can post them right with the answers.  you might not.  who knows?
-- 
Russell Schulz  russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca  ersys!rschulz  Shad 86c
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: rmail not accepting % hacks
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 16:56:28 GMT

In article <9aXqwB4w165w@dogbox.acme.gen.nz> dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (Kennelmeister) writes:
|For some reason rmail is doing nasty things to addresses with % hacks in
|them.

In what context?  From inside Waffle itself, or from inside another program?

|As an example, mail addressed to foo%bar.uucp@buzz is being sent to
|foo.uucp@buzz
|
|Anyone know how to deal with this problem?

Yes, don't let 4DOS get a hold of it.  Read the section in DOS.DOC entitled
o  I am running 4DOS or Norton NDOS and addresses with %'s act funny.

  Bill
From: jhood@smoke.marlboro.vt.us (Lord Yertle)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: The woes of ^Z
Date: 4 Jan 93 02:29:37 GMT
Organization: Pick a banana, any banana

In article <3Ng0VB3w165w@cybrspc.UUCP> roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:
>phil@miracle.com (Phil Hill) writes:
>
>> roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:
>> >Well, as McLuhan said, "the medium is the message."  You're technically
>> >correct, Phil.  But, as a practical matter, where does one separate a
>> >filesystem from the methods available to access that filesystem?
>> 
>> My point is that Waffle is using the *default* text method to access the
>> DOS files.  If Waffle used binary mode, it wouldn't stop reading at the
>> ^Z.  Of course it's more of a pain to access in bindry mode, you have to
>> manually scan for new-lines.
>
>Granted, but my counter-point is that the default access mode for a file
>should still give you the whole file.  The ^Z kluge is a hangover from
>CP/M.  Just gets in our way.  (anybody running OS/2 that can tell us
>whether HPFS has this artifact?)
>
>> >Besides, the filesystem IS broken.

Misconception alert!

The problem is not in the MS-DOS operating system code.  MS-DOS itself
treats files as dull boring binary streams, just like unix.  (An
exception is character devices, but we're not concerned with that
here, and Unix has lots of its own peculiarities here too.)

The problem is that to stay close to CP/M roots, MS-DOS utilities and
COMMAND.COM (and by extension most other MS-DOS programs) follow the
CP/M convention that text files have CR/LF and end at ^Z.  MSDOS C
compilers optionally do goofy stuff in the libraries to make it all
look like Unix text format inside user programs.  IMHO, it's trivial
to support Unix text format directly (and thus be able to consume ^Z
as text) and so it would be silly for them not to, but the MS-DOS C
compiler vendors aren't listening to me and I'm not using their work,
so I don't know what actually happens with real compilers...

The option of reading a file as text with line breaks or as non-text
data is (or at least should be) unrelated to this conversion goo.

  --jh
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From: djk@boombox.apana.org.au (David Keegel)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 16:36:38 +1100
Reply-To: David.Keegel@apana.org.au
Organization: Private site, Melbourne, Australia.

In <id.Q8XV.JWJ@ferranti.com> peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
>In article <1gl0i3INNddg@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> trier@slc6.ins.cwru.edu (Stephen C. Trier) writes:
>> Here's the question: What would legitimizing .UUCP offer that the current
>> domain system does not offer?  Try to answer clearly so that I can understand.

>Because the alternatives for a site with no obvious affiliation are currently
>.com and .us. The problem with .com is that it carries the assumption that you
>are carrying on a business. Many people would rather not give the local phone
>company YET ANOTHER excuse to charge a hobby at business rates.

Assumption or requirement?  Anyway, you don't give any arguments against
.us which I think is the appropriate place, unless your site cannot fit
into that geographical structure.  If this is a problem, someone can set
up a non-geographical subdomain of .us (".pri.us" seems to be the popular
choice -- we are/were talking about priv.au for Australia).

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From: tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: The woes of ^Z
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 11:40:06 CST
Reply-To: zeta%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes:

> In article <miXLwB1w165w@1776.COM> bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe) writes:
> >phil@miracle.com (Phil Hill) writes:
> >> The most important argument is that **WAFFLE** doesn't treat ^Z's the same
> >> when run on a UNIX system.  It is important that Waffle remain compatible
> >> with itself.  Or to at least document the difference.
> >
> >But *UNIX* doesn't treat ^Zs the same way as MD-DOS does.  (It doesn't treat
> >file names the same either.  Should Unix Waffle refuse to respond to file
> >names that would be illegal in MS-DOS?)  Should Waffle be "compatible with 
> >itself" or should it try to blend in as much as possible with the environmen
> >in which it's run?
> 
>       I agree whole-heartedly.  Phil, you're off your rocker.  Waffle
> should not have to "be compatable with itself".  Such a philosophy forces
> you to stoop to the lowest common denomenator of features for an application.
> It's just plain dumb.
> 
>       The solution for the ^Z problem in Waffle is to not put a ^Z in
> DOS text file.  You're asking for trouble anyway.  Tom, it's not worth fixing
> in Waffle unless you have some spare time to write your own DOS text I/O
> routines.

I agree with this as well.  It isn't anything major..and why should it be?
From what I understand Ctrl characters are not supposedly allowed for in the
specs for news and mail anyway, so what's the point?  [I am probably wrong
on this one, but it doesn't really].  Since news and mail is text based,
why would there be a ctrl z in the first place, unless someone was putting
in there on purpose to cause problems or whatever.

An on a side note/idea.  Wouldn't the way Unix and DOS handle ctrl Z allow
people to include extra bits for UNIX wihle that would be lost in DOS?

I think that if a ctrl z came in via news, then  UUXQT would not finish
reading that news file and you lose a lot of news.  Is taht true?

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp
From: carlos@carlos
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Update on Helldiver
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 00:52:52 -0500
Reply-To: carlos@infoserv.com
Organization: Dominguez UseNet, Brooklyn NY, USA

In <1992Dec25.164213.17002@nwnexus.WA.COM> ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:

>I do!  Why should you Windows chaps have all the fun! :)

A small consolation in this mean cruel world of ours.. :)

>Sounding better all the time.  Thanks for your contribution to the
>Waffle community (even if it does perpetuate the Windows myth :) ).

..Windows myth? Geez is it the supposedly-pseudo-multitasking-time-slicing
-memoryhogging-timeandHDspacewasting-applicationOSshell I use and despise
almost every night?

Happy New Year!

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.bbs.misc,alt.bbs,news.software.readers
From: patlee@panix.com (Patrick Lee)
Subject: Blue Wave reader
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 12:14:37 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <ZoR8VB2w164w@whitebase.ukp.com> slewis@whitebase.ukp.com (Scott Lewis) writes:
 >         Try looking at BlueWave 2.11, a few minor bug fixes.  I never had 
 > that problem with 2.10, might have been your setup, but if it was a bug and 
 > I just didn't notice it, I'd imagine it's been fixed (kind of hard for 
 > something like that to slip by beta testers).  

Blue Wave version 2.12 was released on December 17 and contained
some more bug fixes.  v2.11 did have many bug fixes and some
feature enhancements.  But I suppose that was not enough to
warrant a big jump in the version number.

Patrick
<patlee@panix.com>
From: rmyers@dec5200.acs.uci.edu (Richard Myers)
Subject: Modem/fossil config
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:56:35 GMT

I'm looking for a good waffle modem config for a Practical Peripheral
14.4.
I'd also like config info for setting up the BNU driver/ files/ waffle
configs for a 14.4.
Any tips Greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Kurt
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp
From: les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:37:30 GMT

In article <RZm3VB4w165w@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us> tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us (Tony DeBari) writes:
>> Ummm, if you have a uunet account they will help you register your
>> own domain name under .com or .org at no charge.  If you call them
>> to pick up mail, it doesn't matter where you are anyway.

>I know that.  I didn't do it because I didn't think my site qualified for
>either .com (not a company) or .org (not an organization or domain park).

I thought that the only qualification involved was that you asked for
a name that isn't already being used.  The people in charge of the
name  services shouldn't be in the business of deciding "how commericial"
or "how organized" an entity is.  The .us domain is a special case, though,
where most of the the sites are small individual machines.  I understand
it's fairly hard to get a wild-card mx registered under .us. 

Les Mikesell
  les@chinet.chi.il.us
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Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (Kennelmeister)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 15:34:21 +1300
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)

tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us (Tony DeBari) writes:

> What would be wrong with a .PRI domain for unaffiliated, private sites?
> Everyone has at least an MX record in the DNS, it doesn't imply a specific
> transfer protocol like .UUCP, and there is no geographic hierarchy so a
> site can be physically moved without having to re-register its domain name.

Here in New Zealand, we use GEN as the bbs/general purpose indicator.

Please note that almost every country ( apart from the USA ) has a tail
to indicate their origin. ( ie: .AU, .NZ, .CA, .UK, .SE, .ZA,.....)
By that I mean that ALL sites have the tail, including universities,
companies and government organisations.


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From: william@cithara.login.qc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: WafflineMail with Waffle 1.65..does it work?
Date: 28 Dec 92 01:20:14 GMT
Organization: Organ Grinders Monkeys Union With Penguins As Mascots

ranfry@mala.proteus.qc.ca (Ranfry) writes:

> In <Bzu9pK.Cp2@eis.calstate.edu> afavela@eis.calstate.edu (Alonso Favela) wri
> >	Does wafflinemail 1.0 work with waffle 1.65. In the docs it said
> >that it worked with 1.64, and since there are different mailbox
> >structures, I wanted to ask before I might mess things up. Does anyone
> >have WaffLineMail working with 1.65?  

> >Thanks,
> >Alonso Favela
> >afavela@eis.calstate.edu

> Speaking for myself, NO.  That is I never was able to make Waffline 1.0 
> work with Waffle 1.65.  I someone HAS been able, please tell me and Alonso
> how.

Well I thought I had Wafline going, that is till a user tested out. No
go. What It won't do properly over the modem is update the Message pointers
for usenet. Locally it will; go figure.

The mailbox needs a little help from a utility called explode 1.65.

Special thanks to Richard Caldwell for pointing this out via his useful
batch file calling explode.exe then wafmail:

====/bin/wm.bat=============================================
@echo off
rem wafmail  baud(%1)   port(%2)  time(%3)  user(%4) Name(%5 %6 %7)
if not exist \user\%4\mailbox.f goto wafline
cd \user\%4
echo Please wait, exploding Waffle 1.65 mail to 1.64 mail... > COM1
explode -i -b %4
:wafline
wafmail -b%1 -p%2 -t%3 -s1 -u%4 %5 %6 %7
if not exist \user\%4\%4.1 goto end
echo Cleaning up exploded mail... > COM1
del \user\%4\%4.*
:end
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Of course your /extern/wafmail should be similar to the following:

====/waffle/extern/wafmail===================================

/local /log /shell /command="c:\bin\wm.bat %b %d %O %A %W" /then="echo %|%|%C"

Thanks again to Richard Caldwell. Hope you don't mind my sharing it
here.

No guarantees these files will work on your system.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
William Ross
cithara                 Specalists in asbestos underwear
                        since 1992                william@cithara.login.qc.ca
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