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From: manu@tigger.Colorado.EDU (Njan)
Subject: Re: One less ignorant Indian girl
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:34:04 GMT

In article <sduw4oC00WC0MJ5wUC@andrew.cmu.edu> Pravin Devineni Ratnam <pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>
>Yashodara Power sent me email about my INDIAN WOMEN message.
>If anyone remembers, she is the person who questioned the relevancy
>of sex to marriage. I made fun of that statement in a message of mine.
>She has clarified her stand on that issue. She said that she meant marriage
>shouldn't be the only means to have sex. She said that she believed that
>one needn't marry to have sex. So you don't have to marry just for satisfying
>your sexual urges.

Well, with AIDS around, it may be a sensible idea to not to have it before
marriage... I was told about a guy ( supposedly Indian ) who picked
up a woman from a bar and took her home, and next morning when he woke up
she had left already... but on the bathroom mirror, written in red lipstic
was "welcome to the world of AIDS"!

I am not sure if this is a real story, but it does seem possible... something
not too nice to happen to you, don't you think? And, how much you want to
risk on a condom?

Njan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Subject: Re: Netiquette
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:38:58 GMT

In article <18712@ravel.udel.edu> 09143@ravel.udel.edu (Vikram Pillai) writes:

>You have quoted me out of context here. I was responding to Mr. Chacko's
>allegation that personal e-mail was not confidential and that he would
>do as he damn well pleases. I see no mention of the original thread
>here.
>BTW I don't care to thrust my morals on anybody else. But I do take
>issue with the posting my e-mail without so much as a by your leave.


Maybe it's Mr Pillai's ego that is sore. I would address him directly but
I know he can't read this because he has a Kill file. :-) Perhaps he
takes offence to another person filtering his mail or otherwise treating
his communications with scant regard.
From: gt6060a@prism.gatech.EDU (RAJAMANICKAM)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: soc.culture.tamil
Keywords: citizenship
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:16:01 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr17.170730.19114@watson.ibm.com> jitendra@kaiser.watson.ibm.com (Jitendra Telang) writes:
>
> But that does not mean we should not agree on
>at least one language to be called as National. Now it would be useless
>if every state asks that it's regional language be made the National language.
>So obviously the choice goes in favour of the majority of people. 

This is getting sort of tedious. It has been pointed out time and
again that there are fourteen national languages in India and
Hindi is one of them.Many states have their regional language recognized
as a national language. You seem to think that it is useless. It 
would be useless to argue with you over this anymore.

>You claim that you'll be glad to learn our National language if we had one.
>I seriously doubt that. All persons like you try to find some logic to make
>arguments about Hindi NOT being a national language. If you want to say that
>we shouldn't have ANY language termed as National language, then I have nothing
>further to say. If that's not the case, what language is best to be called as
>that in India?

Who is saying that Hindi is not a national language? In addition
to being a national language, it is one of the two official
languages, the other being English. I have no quarrel with this
arrangement. 

>
>One more thing, I'm a non-Hindi person myself. I mean, my mother tongue
>is not Hindi, it's Marathi. But here I am arguing with you why you
>people aren't ready to accept Hindi as National Language? It's not just because
>I understand Hindi. For that matter you said that you also do understand it.
>It's obviously clear from your posting that you are one of those having 
>attitude problems towards Hindi.

It is you who has some attitude problems. The present arrangement
has worked reasonably well so far and to tamper with it will 
unleash more problems than it will solves. I know that some
people feel that English is breeding and elitist class etc. but
I wont go into it again. It has been beaten to death and every
six months or so, it is exhumed to be thrashed again.
>

>I want to make it clear that I am not generalizing my point about any type
>of caste or religion and I'm sorry if my statements in this or any further
>articles about this issue offend anybody. I do not mean to do so. I just
>want a plain discussion about this without any grudge against each other.
>
>

You have not said anything wrong or virulent to apologise for.
My grouse is that you arguing for something that most people
accept anyway - Hindi is one of the national languages of our
country as well as a language for official communication. 
--
>
>Jitendra
>
>Dis.: All standard ones apply...


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Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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From: bala@research.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Najibullah's family in India
Keywords: Najibullah
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:23:39 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

apnews reports:
   NEW DELHI, India (AP) - The government said today that the wife
and daughters of ousted Afghan President Najibullah were in India,
but refused to disclose their whereabouts or say whether they were
under government protection.
	   However, Foreign Office spokesman Aftab Seth said the Afghan
ambassador to India, who is Najibullah's brother-in-law, was under
government protection. That followed reports that Najibullah's
family had fled with the ambassador and his family, with whom they
had been living.
	   Najibullah, who was ousted Thursday, was believed to be in
hiding in Kabul, the Afghan capital. Seth denied reports that
Najibullah had visited the Indian Embassy in Kabul on Thursday and
sought asylum.
	   Seth also said the United Natios had not sought India's help in
providing safe passage out of Afghanistan for Najibullah, and he
denied a published report that Indian authorities had planned to
fly Najibullah out of Kabul on Wednesday.
	   Afghanistan's ambassador to India, Ahmed Sarwar, fled his
embassy residence before dawn today, accompanied by his family and
the wife and three daughters of Najibullah, said Mohammed Kamel, a
first secretary in the embassy.
	   Seth said Sarwar was provided with protection after he sought
help, apparently following threats from some embassy staff, but did
not seek asylum.
	   The spokesman said Sarwar was still being recognized as the
ambassador, even though Counsellor Ziauddin Nassery claimed he had
assumed charge of the mission.
	   Earlier, a caller to The Associated Press in New Delhi
identified himself as Sarwar and said he had asked for protection
from the Indian government. It could not be confirmed that the
caller was in fact Sarwar.
	   The caller denied Najibullah's family was with him.
From: misra@cutlass.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: INDIAN MEN and MARRIAGE
Date: 8 Apr 1992 14:30:21 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: na
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In article <1992Apr8.170740.21556@udel.edu> suresh@fred.cis.udel.edu (Swaminathan Sureshchandran) writes:
>Has anyone noticed that CMU seems to produce Indians of the new strain? I 
>have observed that many postings in the above spirit originate from CMU. 
>What is special about this place/Pittsburgh? I used to think of CMU as the 

	Last time I was there I didnt find anything different in the air.
It is a great city no doubt *8-)
From: gyanesh@unix.cis.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: INDIAN MEN and MARRIAGE ( A question to the poster ! )
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:56:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: unix.204571
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

You decided to keep your identity a secret because you were scared  of the 
usual flaming or you were not 100% convinced about the content of the posting ? 

Gyanesh
P.S. This is not a flame to your posting, just curious ;-).. ;-)..!
From: SNARULA@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: SATYAJIT ROY...GREATEST ACHEIVEMENT
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:08:01 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs


Rohini Hattangadi did receive the OSCAR for costume design in
Gandhi. (not for best actress). If you remember, Gandhi got
a total of 7(?) OSCARS.
It was Bhanu Athaiya who got the OSCAR for the costume design and not Rohini
Hattangadi.
From: rc05@gte.com (Ramesh Chandak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Kiskisko dundiye, kiskisko royea ...
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:09:10 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories Incorporated, Waltham MA

aaram badi chiz hain
ghar jaa ke soyea !!!

- Ramesh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rajiv@hilltop.mitre.org (Rajiv Kohli)
Subject: Colormap of India india.gif
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:36:13 GMT


	If anyone needs a color map of India (india.gif), send me email
	requesting the said and I will ftp it to u. A while
	ago I remember somebody posting for it

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From: pankaj@pub2.bu.edu (Pankaj Tyagi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Indian names for ..... Computer !!!
Date: 10 Apr 92 08:24:13 GMT
Organization: Information Technology, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: pankaj@pub2.bu.edu


	Many a times you come accross posting in which people are
asking for the latest indian names for kids. But their are no
posting/pointer towards indian names for computer/terminals etc. Well,
for all you expectant researchers [ones expecting a new addition to
the lab] here are some of my favorites that I incidently bumped
accross. All these addresses are currently being  used, so no one can
accuse me of giving un popular names.

Host or domain name            		  Internet address              
 CHAT.lcs.mit.edu                           18.52.0.101
 SAMOSA.lcs.mit.edu                         18.110.0.39
 KAZOO.lcs.mit.edu                          18.30.0.77
 MYNA.lcs.mit.edu                           18.52.0.104
 BIRYANI.lcs.mit.edu                        18.111.0.210
 EVEREST.lcs.mit.edu                        18.111.0.214
 NANGA-PARBAT.lcs.mit.edu                   18.111.0.220
 KANCHENJUNGA.lcs.mit.edu                   18.111.0.216
 DILL.lcs.mit.edu                           18.26.0.102
 VINDALOO.lcs.mit.edu                       18.111.0.204
 KHAYYAM-MAC.lcs.mit.edu                    18.49.0.240
 BHADRA-PAD.lcs.mit.edu                     18.110.0.73
 TODI.lcs.mit.edu                           18.52.0.108
 ANNAPURNA.lcs.mit.edu                      18.111.0.219
 DHAULAGIRI.lcs.mit.edu                     18.111.0.218
 HALDI.lcs.mit.edu                          18.111.0.208
 SAAG.lcs.mit.edu                           18.111.0.205
 CURRY.lcs.mit.edu                          18.111.0.202
 SHAHI.lcs.mit.edu                          18.111.0.223
 BHELPURI.lcs.mit.edu                       18.110.0.81


Have Fun !!!!!

Pankaj Tyagi

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From: ram@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ram Devanathan)
Subject: Re: Indian English
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:06:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.040510.13399@u.washington.edu> ngrjn@milton.u.washington.edu (V Nagarajan) writes:
>	How about transliterated "vernacular" phrases like, Anand
>	is showing Kasparov water (from Tamil)! I ain't kiddin'!
>							- Nagarajan
Here are some more from Tamil-->English:

"To me done, to you done, one hand seeing". 
(Unakaachu, enakkaachu, oru kai paakalaam)

"Please tie your fees in front of the due date"
R.Devanathan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: roy@cs.ucf.edu (Ian Roy)
Subject: Looking for Vivek Pandey ... lost touch since 1984
Organization: University of Central Florida
Distribution: soc.culture.indian
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 20:07:32 GMT

	Dear Netters,

	A request to all of u. If u happen to have heard of a Vivek Pandey,
who took up US citizenship in 1984, and moved to the US (don't know where)
in 1984, could u please let me know ? I have not been in touch with him
since 1984, and would definiteley like to get in touch with him. He used to
go to school with me in India (till 84).

	Ashok Ian Roy
		roy@eola.cs.ucf.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: udcrusd@meaddata.com (Sylvia D'Cruz)
Subject: Posts on Divorce
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:22:10 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.indian

I received the following mail on some of the "divorce related" postings:-
________________________________________________________________________________

In article <1992Apr6.202430.9651@meaddata.com> you write:

>Divorce primer

Article deleted...

>Sylvia D. D'Cruz                                

And pray, could you tell me the relevance of this article to
soc.culture.indian? Maybe you are so enamoured of it, that you
think it fit to give it the widest distribution you can...

Cheers!
Vikram
________________________________________________________________________________

In article <1992Apr6.205526.10309@meaddata.com> you write:
>
>The Ghosts of Marriage Past;
>Strategies to minimize the tensions between Spouse Number One and Spouse Number
>Two and Spouse Number ...
>

May I suggest that this series properly belongs in soc.couples or soc.singles?

	Dharmarajan

ps: I enjoy your other news-stories a lot.
________________________________________________________________________________

I don't think indians are free from the the above problems. If marriage, religion, matrimonials, Ayn Rand, looking for, etc can be discussed here. So, can 
divorce. Or is divorce a bitter pill to swallow. I may or may not be "enamoured"by it - whatever that means...... The subject clearly described the contents
of the article - so you could have skipped it. 

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From: shubu@cs.utexas.edu (Shubhendu Sekhar Mukherjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Arranged Marriages...
Date: 13 Apr 1992 20:33:19 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: na
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In article <1992Apr13.055909.24168@csrd.uiuc.eduSANJOY> ghosh@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sanjoy Ghosh) writes:
SANJOY>I don't see why divorce should be necessarily considered a failure.
SANJOY>To use a rather crude analogy, when I upgrade from a 286 PC to a
SANJOY>386 PC, I don't consider the 286 PC a failure.  In fact it might
SANJOY>have been the greatest thing around when I bought it.  But ten 
SANJOY>years later it is time for a change.  I think divorce particularly
SANJOY>in an advanced society should be seen in this light.
SANJOY>
SANJOY>I think the same is true for couples.   A boy and a girl who were
SANJOY>right for each other when they were both poor starving grad students
SANJOY>may not be right for each other when one is a top corporate manager
SANJOY>and the other is an ardent PC (not the PC above) crusader.  And when
SANJOY>they recognize this and decide to part amicably I don't see why the
SANJOY>divorce should be considered a failure.
SANJOY>
SANJOY>So to answer your question about "knowing their partner pretty
SANJOY>well", the answer is yes they knew their partner pretty well
SANJOY>when they got married.  But human beings change, grow, mature,
SANJOY>flower, etc.  And so either they might not know their partner
SANJOY>now, or might know that they don't want to be together anymore.
SANJOY>Neither possibility implies failure, at least to me.
SANJOY>
SANJOY>Sanjoy Ghosh
SANJOY>ghosh@csrd.uiuc.edu

How many couples do you think break up amicably?  If the situation 
was so delightful then we wouldn't have perhaps seen so many divorce
cases taken to court.

What you mean to say is once you reach the pinnacle of your career 
you can peacefully ditch the person who stuck with you through 
your starving graduate says!  Bravo Sanjoy!

-Shubu
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: trivedi@curie.uchicago.edu (Anil Trivedi)
Subject: Re: Hindu Muslim Dailog
Organization: Enrico Fermi Institute, University of Chicago.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:21:00 GMT


[This is cross posted from soc.culture.bangladesh
It raises two interesting and commonly made points:
Should religious conflict attrinuted to fanatics only?
Why does India have riots and not, say Bangladesh?]

In article <1992Apr11.173516.1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu> ij21@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:

>Regarding the topic of hindu muslim dialogue
>  The articles posted on the above mentioned topic are interesting.
>  I lived in Delhi from 1984 to 1987 for my B. Comm and got a chance to
>  obresve the practice of secularism in India. I am going into deep details 

I am sorry, but I didn't see the details. Did you inadvertently edit
them out?

>summation of my observation is that the religious fanatics ....make a big 
>issue out of the Hindu Muslim controversies, not the general public.

This has been the official line. Unfortunately, while it is not INCORRECT,
it is MISLEADING.

There is sufficient mistrust and hostility in sufficiently large section
of the general public: that is why "fanatics" can have any success.
No matter how "fanatic" you are, you cannot incite a riot by circulating
some rumor about Jains or Tibetans in most of India.

There are real problems that our history has handed us. We must stop
kidding ourselves and start facing them honestly, and non-violently.
 

> We do not have such problems in Bangladesh. Why in India?

Suppose I ask you: We did not kill Biharis in India. Why in Bangladesh?
Or I ask a Pakistani: We did not kill Bengalis. Why in Pakistan?

Each place has its own dynamics, good and bad. You had, and may again
have (although I pray that you do not), your own kind of violence,
for your own reasons.

We have a majority-minority history which is not exactly duplicated
in your case::

On the majority side: 
There is the memory of invasions, of the centuries-long minority rule, 
mass scale temple destructions, demand for the partition of the country...

On the minority side: 
While being a minority never feels great, my guess is that Muslims are
even less disposed to like it. :-)  (There were the migrations out of 
pre-independence India to Afghanistan, so people coupld live in a
*Muslim-ruled* country.)

It is a complex problem; I can only point out a few obvious threads.

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From: sastry@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Sastry A V R R)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Cal State at Fullerton guys, Help Wanted
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:58:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.36009
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR



	Hi
		I am sending this on behalf of my cousin who
	doesn't have access to this valuable resource.

		He is done with his Ph.D in management sciences 
	(from U of Alabama) and for some reason he wants to 
	contact guys (or gals) of Cal State Univ., at Fullerton
	immediately.          

		So you got the message. Pl do help him. 

	You can send mail either to him or to me. His e-mail 
	address is

		kshastr3@ua1vm.ua.edu 
	and mine
		sastry@cse.ogi.edu
	

	Thanks in advance.

- Ravi
From: rpsingh@uwovax.uwo.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: re:Madhushala
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:50:39 EST

Here are a few which are my personal favorites apart from the one's
already written on the bboard:
ek baras me ek bar hi, jagati holi ki jwala,
ek bar hi lagati baazi, jalati dipon ki mala,
duniyawalon kintu kisi din, aa madiralaya me dekho,
din ko holi raat diwali roz manati madhushala.

musalman aur hindu hain do, ek magar unka pyala,
ek magar unki madiralaya, ek magar unki haala
dona rahate ek na jabtak, mandir masjid me jate
bair badhate mandir masjid mel karati madhushala.

lalayit adharon se jisne hai nahin choomi haala
harsh vikampit karke jisne ha na chua madhu ka pyala
hath pakar kar lazzit saki ka paas nahin jisne khincha
vyartha sukha dali jeevan ki usne madhumaya madhushala.

lal sura ki dhar lapat se kah na ise dena jwala
phenil madira hai mat isko kah dena ur ka chaala
darad nasha hai es madira ka vigat smritiyan saaki hai
pidaa me anand jise ho aaye meri madhushaala.
I'm really tempted to write more but I have to go to India tomorrow
and have got a lot to do before I go. So long..
Ravi.

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