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From: greeny@top.cis.syr.edu (J. S. Greenfield)
Subject: Re: U. of Illinois may remove non"pleasant" art from vistor's center
Organization: Syracuse University, CIS Dept.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 18:22:07 EDT

In article <1992Aug13.011606.2197@talon.ucs.orst.edu> monson@hobo.ECE.ORST.EDU (Ty Monson) writes:
>>
>>>Let's just drive a nail in the wall in Levis every 4 feet and let
>>>any University related artist put whatever they want on the walls(along
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>   ...and carl says:
>>No one has advocated this as the ideal. The Committee should certainly
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>continue to consider quality when selecting works.
>
>   Carl, I have been following your postings, and it is clear to
>   me that you have (implicitly) taken the position that anyone should be 
>   permitted to display anything they want in the visitor's center.
>   Your statement above not withstanding,
>   your past comments and citations consistently indicate that you 
>   regard anything less as censorship.

Well if this is clear, then I guess it is only clear to you.  I have followed
Carl's comments in this thread, as well as his comments in alt.censorship for
better than a year.

Never would I draw the conclusion that you have.


I'd say you are hearing what you want to hear.


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but my d*mn system wants a 
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From: neek+@CS.CMU.EDU (Craig Marcus)
Subject: Julius Bissier - books wanted
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:30:05 GMT

Julius Bissier (I think that spelling is 
correct), did (still does?) simple (yet
complex) brush paintings, inspired by
Zen brush/ink.  I am interested in finding
** color ** catalogs of his works.  I've
seen his work at the Guggenheim in NYC, and
believe he was represented by a Gallery 
somewhere near by there.  I think he's
Belgian or Swiss.  

Can anyone out there help me out ?

Thanks,

Craig Marcus
Carnegie Mellon, Pgh.
From: bovine@engin.umich.edu (Mitchell Rohde)
Subject: Re: looking for an anthology of H. R. Giger
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 10:30:11 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

  He has several books.... "biomechanics" "necronomicon"
   and I think others...

  I just bought a small posterbook for $10...
  has 5 or 6 prints in it....


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From: billp@voyager.chm.clarkson.edu (Bill Plunkett)
Subject: Who was Minch? (advice on selling a frame)
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:52:00 GMT


A friend of mine has a fine picture frame that she would like to sell.
It was made for a portrait that measures approximately 60" x 40" (I can
find out exactly).  It was painted around 1908; presumably the frame
is from around that time.  It is a gold-leaf frame, deeply carved with
a rose blossom pattern.  One dealer who saw it conjectured that it
might be a "Minch?" (not sure I have name or spelling right) who was a
well known frame-maker of that time, and that it may be worth "a few
thousand."  Does anyone know of a way to authenticate this, or of a
good way to offer this frame for sale?  My friend is undecided as to
whether or not she'd sell the portrait (she dearly loves it) but needs
cash and would like to learn more about the frame and it's maker.

Thanks.....

-billp

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From: cpw@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: looking for an anthology of H. R. Giger
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:38:15 GMT

I'm hoping someone can help me.

I have just been through the library  and I can't
find any book with the collected works of H. R. Giger.

All I know of this person is that he/she is a Swiss
surrealist, and their work provided the "biomechanical"
look of movies like Alien and Aliens.

I am very interested in the conceptual foundations of this
work, as well as finding a collection of it so that I can
study it further.

There is even a computer game out now with elements from Giger's
work.

So, if you have any information, on the person or the artwork, please
reply to this account.

Thanks very much.

cpw@watserv1.waterloo.edu
From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.fine
Subject: Art on Computers, esp. "Painter"
Date: 15 Aug 92 02:27:03 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Do any of you folks have views on using computer painting (and drawing)
tools to create art?

I just bought Fractal Design's "Painter" program for the Macintosh. With
a pressure-sensitive stylus (Wacom), it is stunning! Dozens of "natural
media" brush types, including pastels, oils, water colors, felt tip pens,
charcoal, air brush, pencils, crayons, etc. These tools are far beyond
beyond what was seen with earlier Mac- and DOS-based paint programs.

My point in asking is to get some reaction from you folks. This is the 
only newsgroup I could find even remotely related to hobbyist art (which
surprises me, what with all the other hobby groups). Am I missing a group?

I'd like to hear your views. Is this a future growth area? Are pro
illustrators and artists using these tools? (I assume they are, as with
Canvas, Illustrator, Freehand, etc....what I'm interested in is to what
extent conventional media--canvas, paper, etc.--is being replaced by these
new tools.)

Are bad habits learned by doing things the "easy" way? Does it matter?

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From: cahduns@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Henry Dunsmore)
Subject: Pegi Nicol MacLeod
Originator: cahduns@atlas.cs.upei.ca
Organization: University of Prince Edward Island
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:56:12 GMT

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I'm in the middle of producing a documentary on Canadian-born/New York-died
artist Pegi Nicol MacLeod.  Does anyone have sources or information on her
paintings, photos of her, or personal knowledge of her or her family?

Any help/information would be greatly appreciate...every bit helps!

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From: spray@convex.com (Rob Spray)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.fine,alt.cyberpunk,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: looking for an anthology of H. R. Giger
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:26:36 GMT
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

There's also a Taschen Posterbook of Giger's work

ISBN 3-89450-286-X
Published 1991

Benedikt Taschen Verlag Berlin GmbH
Otto-Suhr-Allee 59, D-1000 Berlin 10

Contains six pictures with descriptions and a brief bio which does
mention him doing design work for Alien III in 1990.

--Rob   spray@convex.com
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From: bladex@wixer.cactus.org (David Smith)
Subject: Re: looking for an anthology of H. R. Giger
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 07:30:09 GMT

In article <Bt783s.41u@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> cpw@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca writes:

>I'm hoping someone can help me.
>
>
>There is even a computer game out now with elements from Giger's
>work.

from the Sept. issue of Details, p. 76

"When computer games borrow from other media they generally take their visual
cues from cartoons.  But for DARK SEED ($69.95), Cyberdreams recruited H.R.
Giger, the Swiss painter of biomechanical nightmares and the designer of the
first Alien movie.  Here, you play Mike Dawson, a yuppie who buys a Victorian
house and finds himself implanted with an evil embryo and swept into "the
dark world."  With vivid reproductions, this game plays like a high-budget
horror flick.  Next on Cyberdreams agenda: an outer-space game based on the
work of Syd Mead, who designed Blade Runner"

Other people have responded with bits and pieces of Giger's work that they
know about.  Yet no one [yet] has mentioned the Frankenchrist album......

>
>So, if you have any information, on the person or the artwork, please
>reply to this account.
>
>Thanks very much.
>
>cpw@watserv1.waterloo.edu
>


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From: hell@desert.in-berlin.de (Steffen Hellwig)
Subject: Re: looking for an anthology of H. R. Giger
Organization: Private Site
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:22:25 GMT

cpw@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca writes:

>I'm hoping someone can help me.

>I have just been through the library  and I can't
>find any book with the collected works of H. R. Giger.

>All I know of this person is that he/she is a Swiss
>surrealist, and their work provided the "biomechanical"
>look of movies like Alien and Aliens.

>I am very interested in the conceptual foundations of this
>work, as well as finding a collection of it so that I can
>study it further.

Try to get Giger's "Necronomicon".
A biographie is includet.
ISBN 3-89082-519-2

>There is even a computer game out now with elements from Giger's
>work.

I saw it in store here. Anyone played it?

>So, if you have any information, on the person or the artwork, please
>reply to this account.

>Thanks very much.
Hope it helps...
>cpw@watserv1.waterloo.edu

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From: annick@physiol.su.OZ.AU (Annick Ansselin)
Subject: etching
Organization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:09:59 GMT

Last year I attended watercolour painting classes, and absolutely loved it.
I am still painting with watercolours, but am now also interested in
combining watercolours with etchings. I have just started attending etching
classes. Anyone out there interested in etching and/or watercolours?
From: melynda@titipu.meta.com (Melynda Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.fine
Subject: Re: Art on Computers, esp. "Painter"
Date: 16 Aug 92 22:23:03 GMT
Reply-To: melynda@titipu.meta.com (Melynda Reid)
Organization: Paleolithic Refugia
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.9b1


In article <v_7mbkl.tcmay@netcom.com> (rec.arts.fine), tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes:
> Do any of you folks have views on using computer painting (and drawing)
> tools to create art?
>...what I'm interested in is to what
> extent conventional media--canvas, paper, etc.--is being replaced by these
> new tools.)
> 
> Are bad habits learned by doing things the "easy" way? Does it matter?

bad habits can be learned in any media. i adhere to the view that the
limitations of a tool or a technique can invigorate an artist's
imagination. what concerns me about computer art is the ease of
manipulation and the estrangement from kinesthetic cues. with real
paint the action of the brush is to some extent impeded or affected by
the particular colour employed. paint programs can duplicate the look
of some types of painterly effects but not their feel.

i think that traditional media are wonderful tools in the field far
from power sources. i like textured surfaces. for me the computer will
not ever supplant traditional media. but i am middle-aged and grew up
with brushes and drawing styli. i like tools which fit my hand and can
be carried in a backpack an hour or two from any road.

the most glaring problem i have noticed in computer art programmes is
the depiction of motion. one program shows a parrot with its upper  jaw
moving. the upper jaw of a psittacine is fixed in much the same way 
the upper jaw of a human is fixed. such stylised conventions encoded in
a drawing or painting programme corrupt the eye. and most certainly
annoy fossils like me. 
               if the computer encourages you to look further at the real
               world and to explore your own art then whatever bad habits
               it inculcates you can address when you are ready to deal
               with them. i have a number of bad habits and tricks from
               oil painting and silverpoint. all tools can be misused.
               the important task is to look intensely and keep on trying
               to produce art. it takes lots of repetition and abject failure
               to succeed. enjoy your new toy.
                                     melynda claire reid 

melynda reid   who wears hats but does not type caps
  eel:   melynda@titipu.meta.com  or  nosc.mil!titipu.meta.com!melynda
  snail: p o box 378 greensboro, florida 32330
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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: looking for an anthology of H. R. Giger
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 16:34:30 GMT

OMNI mag published some of Geiger's work (including some stuff
he did for Alien) around the time Alien first came out. So get
the library to do a periodical search for you. I have seen 18"x12"
poster collections of Geiger's work in local collector stores
(places that sell comics, sports cards, and other collectibles).


Good luck !


Shiv
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From: rjw87r@ecs.soton.ac.uk (R J Wilkins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.fine,alt.cyberpunk,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: looking for an anthology of H. R. Giger
Date: 19 Aug 92 09:10:56 GMT

In <Bt783s.41u@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> cpw@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca writes:

>I'm hoping someone can help me.

>I have just been through the library  and I can't
>find any book with the collected works of H. R. Giger.

You will be very lucky if you find any Giger books in your library,
I know of four books that contain his work :-

1) Biomechanics - large hardback very glossy book (Costs 45 english
pounds)
2) Nechronomicon - large very glossy etc. (same price)
3) Gigers Alien - collection of alien sketches etc (15 pounds)
4) Art by Giger - Cheap paperback collection of some of his work from
both Bio... and Nech... (as little as 4 pounds)
{The above is from memory and is probably wrong or slightly
incorrrect}

Bio... and Nech... are limited addition printed by some cult book
printers, I've got Bio... and it is well worth the money, it contains
alot of work from Poltergeist II that he did.

>All I know of this person is that he/she is a Swiss
>surrealist, and their work provided the "biomechanical"
>look of movies like Alien and Aliens.

He only did Alien work, as the contract he signed was a bit suspect,
when he came to do Aliens the film company told him that since they
have the copyright to his original work and ideas they no longer
needed him, as far as I know he got no money from either Aliens or
Aliens III.

>I am very interested in the conceptual foundations of this
>work, as well as finding a collection of it so that I can
>study it further.

>There is even a computer game out now with elements from Giger's
>work.

>So, if you have any information, on the person or the artwork, please
>reply to this account.

>Thanks very much.

>cpw@watserv1.waterloo.edu
From: maverick@cs.berkeley.edu (Vance Maverick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.fine
Subject: Re: Art thoughts
Keywords: creativity inspiration
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:49:12 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: CS Division, UC Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: ginkgo.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <6029@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com>, rcj@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (R.C. Jones) writes:
|> 
|> In article <die_welt@als.wille.und.vorstellung>, Arthur Schopenhauer writes:
|> >   Ordinarily it is difficult and, for most persons, impossible, to
|> > escape from the world of desires and wants, the world which gives
|> > rise to our willing and which can never be satisfied. Our wants
|> > are without satiation; thus, suffering, frustration, and a sense
|> > of deficiency are ever present to us. But if by some external
|> > cause or inner disposition we are raised above the cares of the
|> > daily world, our knowledge is freed from the directives of will
|> > and the temporal aspects of events, and we can achieve that
|> > transcendent state of peace, the painless state that separates
|> > the world of forms from that of suffering. This is the state of
|> > pure contemplation that the great greek philosophers spoke of.
|> >
|> >   The artist who has attained this state and then represents it
|> > to us in his works allows us to escape the vicissitudes of life
|> > and to contemplate the world of forms free from the machinations
|> > of the will. His work of art is a means by which we can attain
|> > his heights. Nature, too, in certain circumstances, can present
|> > us with her objects in such a way that we transcend the world
|> > about us and enter the realm of forms. But the slightest wavering
|> > of attention on our part once more returns us to the world of
|> > phenomena; we leave contemplation for desire.
|> 
|>    How does one enhance the ability to achieve these fleeting
|> moments which seem to bring the substance of creativity into
|> our grasp?

Well, I disagree with Schopenhauer's account -- that is, I think we do
deal with art via desires etc. -- but more interestingly, I think
*you* disagree with him.  You speak of "grasping" a "substance" of
"creativity", where he would have us believe art takes us beyond
grasping to contemplation, beyond substance to form -- and I think
beyond individual "creativity" to a more impersonal realm.

In any case, I think the real answer is that the mode of contemplation
Schopenhauer is after is never out of our grasp.  As John Cage said
(possibly somebody else, in a discussion of Cage), music is
continuous, listening is intermittent.

	Vance

PS. When did creativity get reified?  I hear this usage all the time
now....
From: rcj@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (R.C. Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.fine
Subject: Art thoughts
Keywords: creativity inspiration
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:32:33 GMT
Organization: Chevron, La Habra, CA



   I would like to offer some thoughts in the hope of balancing
   the current obsession with censorship. As a sculptor, I am
   drawn to the ideas of the following passage.
 

         Philosophical Observations Regarding Art


  Ordinarily it is difficult and, for most persons, impossible, to
escape from the world of desires and wants, the world which gives
rise to our willing and which can never be satisfied. Our wants
are without satiation; thus, suffering, frustration, and a sense
of deficiency are ever present to us. But if by some external
cause or inner disposition we are raised above the cares of the
daily world, our knowledge is freed from the directives of will
and the temporal aspects of events, and we can achieve that
transcendent state of peace, the painless state that separates
the world of forms from that of suffering. This is the state of
pure contemplation that the great greek philosophers spoke of.

  The artist who has attained this state and then represents it
to us in his works allows us to escape the vicissitudes of life
and to contemplate the world of forms free from the machinations
of the will. His work of art is a means by which we can attain
his heights. Nature, too, in certain circumstances, can present
us with her objects in such a way that we transcend the world
about us and enter the realm of forms. But the slightest wavering
of attention on our part once more returns us to the world of
phenomena; we leave contemplation for desire.

        Arthur Schopenhauer

        The World as Will and Idea.


   How does one enhance the ability to achieve these fleeting
moments which seem to bring the substance of creativity into
our grasp?

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From: haaser@quince.ssc.gov (Bobby Haaser)
Subject: Re: What would you do with the power of the Q ?
Keywords: The Q,continum,The Force
Organization: SuperConducting Supercollider
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:29:41 GMT


In article <cass8806.238@elan.glassboro.edu>, cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug17.205300.11481@ennews.eas.asu.edu> thompson@enuxva.eas.asu.edu (Albert Thompson III (Al)) writes:
|> 
|> >Yes! What would you do with the Power of the Q?
|> 
|> siouxsie sioux


Personally, I would make a planet, put my own life forms of life there, and 
then retire naming myself squire and owner of the planet testing and
evolving its creatures and the ones they interact with from elsewhere.

:-) I might even call it GOTHOS!!!!



Live Long and Prosper!

  -the Bobinater

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also haaser@phys.udallas.edu

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From: thompson@enuxva.eas.asu.edu (Albert Thompson III (Al))
Subject: What would you do with the power of the Q ?
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek
Keywords: The Q,continum,The Force
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:53:00 GMT

Yes! What would you do with the Power of the Q?
*** Something to contemplate on ***
-thompson@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
From: dave@gergo.tamu.edu (Dave Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Hallmark 1991 Enterprise Ornament
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:53:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: gergo.20AUG199215530827
Organization: Geochemical & Environmental Research Group, Texas A&M University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

For those of ya'll near Texas A&M, the Hallmark at Post Oak Mall here in
College Station appears to have plenty of the Shuttle ornaments.

Also, next month they will be getting the Enterprise glitter globe (one of
those water-n-fake-snow-filled domes with a lighted Enterprise inside).
Call now to reserve one (they will cost $50, though). This isn't a Hallmark
product, so you may be able to find these at other card & gift shops. 

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 - DAVE@GERGA[GERGO,GERGI].TAMU.EDU - BROOKS@TAMVXOCN.BITNET - AOL:DBM -
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From: rtwall@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD TODD WALL)
Subject: ST-TOS 25th Anniv. Game
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:08:05 GMT



	What key do you hit to get a display of the damage done to your 
opponent's ship???  I got it once but couldn't do it again.

	Thanks....

	rtwall@eos.ncsu.edu
		&
	todd@beretta.bacchus.org

From: brian@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Wood)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 19:29:31 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: That woman in ST:VI...
Organization: HP Mfg. Test Div., Loveland, CO