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Subject: Re: Serial Interface Info Request ...
From: clmorgan@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:46:39 EST

The other day, I sought information regarding the installation of serial 
interface circuitry in a TS-440S.  I would **NEVER** have guessed that I'd
receive in **EXCESS** of 145,000 bytes of response!

Thanks to all who replied.  It truly demonstrates the "sharing" aspect of
ham radio.

73 >< Carl
  K8NHE
From: tskelton@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Tom Skelton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Famous hams
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:24:38 GMT
Reply-To: tskelton@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Tom Skelton)
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

Someone asked the question if Royals such as King Hussein of Jordan (JY1)
and King Juan Carlos (EA0JC) of Spain had to take the code test to get
a license as required by treaty.  I don't know, but EA0JC was worked by
a local on 20 meter CW a few months ago.  The local described the EA0JC
CW style as *slow, but confident* and about 12 wpm.  The local
posted this to the packetcluster, and the assumption is that this was not
a guest op.   
I'll try to find out if the guy got a QSL, and what it said.  73, Tom WB4IUX

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Subject: Re: Phone number to order Motorola Application Notes?
From: fred-mckenzie@ksc.nasa.gov (Fred McKenzie)
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:46:35 EST
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA/Kennedy Space Center, Florida

In article <1992Nov19.153320.28321@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>,
jeffj@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (jeffrey.n.jones) wrote:
> I called a 800 number that I got out of a recent issue of a ham magzine
> to order a ap note from Motorola. However for the life of me I can't find
> the article or the phone number! Could a kind soul please post that phone
> number here for all to see as I am sure that others would like it. Thanks
> and 73!

Jeff-

According to the Motorola Semiconductor Master Selection Guide, the
Literature Distribution Center for the US, is at Post Office Box 20912,
Phoenix, Arizona 85036.  Telephone number is 800-441-2447.  For design
assistance, telephone number is 800-521-6274.

73, Fred, K4DII

fred-mckenzie@ksc.nasa.gov
From: BOBPRIEZ@selu.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Repeater Timer
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:39:16 GMT
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu



Thanks to all who responded to my query about timer requirements for 
repeaters.  From the info sent to me (and the references to Part 97
regs that I followed up on) it seems that most are in agreement that
the only timer requirements are :

     1) the repeater must ID at least once every 10 minutes it is
         in use (or must be ID'd by the user, if not automatic)

     2) there must be provision to limit repeater transmission to 
         3 minutes in the case of malfunction of the control link

TNX & 73,  WB5FBS
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From: M.Willis@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Mike Willis)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 3CX800 on 432 MHz?
Date: 17 Nov 92 09:09:44 GMT
Organization: University of Surrey, Guildford, Surrey, UK. GU2 5XH

I once saw an amplifier using three in parallel. It was in Dubus I think. Check out
the German Society UHF compendia.


Mike
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: johnr@mik.uky.edu (John S. Roberts, Jr.)
Subject: Logging Help and Computer Static
Reply-To: johnr@mik.uky.edu (John S. Roberts, Jr.)
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:53:37 GMT

I just got my Tech-NoCode license a week ago and am having a great time  
meeting people on 2 meters and 440.  I have seen people talking about logging  
software and have assumed that they are logging their HF communications.   
What I was wondering is what you write down when you log a QSL.  I am not  
interested in sending cards across town, but thought it would be nice to  
create a data base for historical purposes of the people I have spoken with,  
especially on some of the linked repeaters.  Is there any software designed  
for use with VHF/UHF or is it all generic enough to use for everything.

Also, I would like to do the logging directly into my computer, but using  
only an HT with the rubber duck gives me a lot of static from the computer.   
Any advice on using computer and ham equipment together.  Seems that all the  
pictures I see in the magazines show computers right beside ham gear, but  
they are using external antennas.

Thanks for your advice!

John
--
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-=+ Communications Consultant    Phone: (606) 257-2275 +=-
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: JMG%TNTECH.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu (Jeff M. Gold)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 1D3..Where?
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:35:32 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu


Spoke on 40 meter CW with a call /1D3.. I have it written
down, but was on an island.

Does anyone have an idea where this QTH is near.. haven't
found it on a map yet.

Thanks

73s de Cookeville,TN
Jeff, AC4HF
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Argonaut-keyer help
Date: 22 Nov 92 13:41:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: ke4zv.1992Nov22.134130.4412
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <01GRDKNM6S1ECIRIJ3@TNTECH.BITNET> JMG%TNTECH.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu (Jeff M. Gold) writes:
>Help,
>
>I just got an Argonaut 509 and want to use it CW/Mobile.
>
>I built the "Cheap Keyer" from QST and now in the 1992
>Handbook. The keyer works fine with my MFJ.  When I talked
>with Ten Tec they said the keyer needs to go almost to
>ground and have about .2v (less than 1/2 v).  He also said
>there is often an easy way to modify the keyer to work with
>the Argonaut.
>If anyone could make a suggestion, I would really appreciate
>it.

Sure, use a reed relay. There's a circuit in the 92 Handbook
with the Curtis Keyer article. Reed relays work up to at least
40 WPM and will key anything that responds to a contact closure.
Rat Shack problably still carries a suitable reed relay.

Gary KE4ZV
From: wejones@cbda7.apgea.army.mil (Bill Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re:  Third Party Traffic Question
Date: 21 Nov 92 00:48:22 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

> > At the last contest, a participant visiting the club shack objected to
> > this  practice, claiming that the  Techs could only make contacts with
> > hams  in countries that have  a  third  party  agreement with the U.S.
> > They contended that the higher class licensed ham is ALWAYS considered
> > to be a "third party" to any communications he is supervising, done by
> > a lower license class operator, utilizing his higher  class privileges
> > in his  presence.  :-)).  
> > 
> Tom,
> 
> The guys that were complaining are incorrect, and this is due to a "new"
> interpretation that came out of the 1989 rewrite of the rules.(chances
> are pretty good that guys complaining are only familiar with the pre-89
> rule set...it's been known to happen ;-) Anyway...by definition a message
> passed where the originator was a ham, i.e. the signee, via a third party
> operator to another ham where the receiving station is the "destination"
> of the message ISN'T third party traffic.  So messages amongst hams 
> can't be considered 3rd party.  This pretty well covers the situation 
> you described in my mind.  Note:  All followups to .policy please.
> 
> Steve KA6S
>  
I would be interested in knowing which passages you are quoting?  In my
1992 version, the definition section has no such wording that I could
find, and the section (97.115) covering third party communications states
that the prohibition does not apply only for hams who are eligible to
be control operators of the station, which is not the case in this 
situation.
   Note, I am not arguing, I just want to know what the rules are, and
tried to look up the passages you quoted, and couldn't find them.
   Also note, I do argue that your attempt to send all followups
to .policy is unfair.  Many of us either don't have access to .policy,
or don't have the time to read an additional group, and it doesn't make
sense to respond to a post in one group with a response in another group
where the readers won't know what was discussed.  If you had posted
to .policy, the followups would be there.  Since you did not, at least
this followup is not there.  Anyway, this is quite
obviously of general interest to hams, and belongs here as much as
anywhere else.  Just my opinion.
73 Bill  N3JLQ
>
From: MROWEN%STLAWU.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu (Michael Owen W9IP)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Disappointment at the Big Dish
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:34:16 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

As many people noticed, VE3ONT was not on the air via
EME this past weekend.  Here's what happened:  A major
wind storm blew throug the area Thursday night and
blew trees across power lines.  The whole region was
without commercial power beginning about 0300 Friday.
We arrived at the Algonquin Radio Telescope site Friday
morning and were appraised of the situation.  They had
emergency generators to keep the buildings warm but
no power to turn the 150' dish.
We decided to roll the dice.  We spent all day Friday
installing the feed and 8938 amplifier in the feed cabin
(despite continuing 30-40 mph winds, snow, rain, and cold -
yecchhh).  Everything was QRV, 100% operational except
the dish mechanism itself by Friday evening.  We waited.
And waited.  Finally we went to bed, and awoke Saturday
morning to a beautiful, clear, calm, snow-covered Ontario
sunrise still without commercial power.  Another call
to Ontario Hydro (the power people) confirmed the worst:
we wouldn't be back on-line until Sunday afternoon at the
earliest.  For some odd reason, Ontario Hydro considered
the helath and welfare of 20,000 local residents to take
priority over our moonbounce test...
We spent Saturday morning tearing the station apart and
and then we went home.  Our apoligies to everyone who
spent time trying to hear us.  We'll probably give it
another try in the spring, and we expect to do 3 bands
(144, 432, 1296) in October & November.  But we'll check
the weather first.
Several people wrote in concern about the polarization
question.  I should have said that our _feed_ is/was
RHCP.  This means that our transmitted signal is LHCP
due to reversal on the dish.  After bouncing off the Moon,
it's RHCP again.

-sigh-

Michael Owen, W9IP
MROWEN@STLAWU
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: bwilkins@iat.holonet.net (Bob Wilkins n6fri)
Subject: Re: How long waiting for ticket?
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:27:40 GMT

The licences have been taking about six weeks to arrive. This depends on
your local VEC Team to get it to the commission promptly.

They are printed on Tuesdays and usually arrive by Saturday.

Congrats   bob n6fri
From: 6500hage@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (William F. Hagen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Jun's Electronics
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:12:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsbcsl.6706


A "non" response.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White)
Subject: Protection from direct lightning strikes
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:59:35 GMT

I posted a while ago that "nothing will protect you from a
direct strike", or something that that effect.  A number of
folks emailed to say I was just wrong.  I was told that
broadcast stations routinely absorb direct strikes and
keep right on rockin' and rollin' with hardly a bobble
(although this may explain the birth of ra-ra-rap music).
I stand (well, sit actually) corrected.  I still think, though,
that without elaborate and expensive preparations, if you
get a direct strike to your antenna, your trusty Blitz Bug
will vaporize, and your rig is toast.

73...
Mike, N4PDY

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* These are my opinions only.*
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)
Subject: Non-jumping Arizona; was: Re: Phone number...
Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:04:51 GMT

In article <5917@naucse.cse.nau.edu> rrw@sunset (Bob Wier) writes:
>From article <Nov19.211711.81762@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, by gw214790@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Galen Watts):
>> 1-800-521-6274, 8:00am to 4:30pm Mountain Time.:w
>
>  Note that this is CURRENTLY true, however this berserk state jumps
>  back and forth between mountain standard time and pacific daylight
>  time.  During the winter, we are on MST - the other half of the year
>  we are on PDT.

Falsch.  Arizona is on MST year-round.  MST equals PDT, which is what
California uses in the summer.

As far as I know, Arizona is the only state that does _not_ jump time
zones every spring and fall.

What's so great about daylight saving time?  It's like trying to lengthen
an apron by adding a piece taken off the other end.
-- 
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:-  Artificial Intelligence Programs       phone 706 542-0358
:-  The University of Georgia                fax 706 542-0349
:-  Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A.     amateur radio N4TMI
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: ignacij@meishan.animal.uiuc.edu (Ignacy Misztal)
Subject: Re: HF Loop Antennas
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:31:57 GMT
Keywords: Capacitor

oswood@psun.chem.yale.edu (Mark Oswood) writes:


>I am thinking about building a loop antenna similar to the AEA isoloop.  
>It seems like a great antenna design for limited space without losing too
>much efficiency.  However, I can't afford the $300 AEA charges, and it doesn't seem impossible for me to build.  I have found an article in June 1986 QST which is
>helpful, but I am wondering about what capacitor to use.  For those unfamiliar with 
>the design, this is a loop of conductore approximately 1 meter in diameter with 
>a variable capacitor in series with the loop.  The loop is coupled to the 
>feedline through a gamma match or a smaller loop.  Apparently I need a 
>variable in the range of 5-200 pF which is able to withstand at least 10,000V 
>(assuming I wil limit my transmissions to ~100W).

>1.  Can anyone suggest a source for such a capacitor?

>2.  Has anyone actually built such a loop, and do you have any suggestions?

>I hope this is the right group for technical questions--from reading one would
>think this was alt.cw.flame. :-} 
> -----------
>Mark C. Oswood	N1??? (4 weeks and waiting)
>				oswood@psun.chem.yale.edu
>			or 	moswood@biomed.bitnet
>No disclaimers need apply.

I have built a Loop antenna using an ubiquitous surplus capacitors
available at evey hamfest. They have ca 2 x 100 pf with approx.
2mm clearance. Instead of loop, it is actually a quad with only 2mm
wire, and 70cm side. The loop operates great on 18MHz, and the wire is 
slightly warm on 14MHz (100W). Without a special capacitor  with a
very small minimum capacitance, it is impossible to cover both 28 and 10, 
so I gave up on 10. 

On 18 and during good proagation, it gave the same signal as an attic
dipol at 20ft. When the proagation was closing, the loop still gave good
reports when there was nothing heard with the dipol. The loop was 5ft up.
In summary, it is not a beam, but works exceedingly fine for its dimensions.

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Ignacy Misztal, NO9E, SP8FWB	E-mail: ignacy@uiuc.edu
University of Illinois		Phone: (217) 244-3164
1207 W. Gregory Dr.
Urbana, IL 61801
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Subject: Re: Which band?
Reply-To: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:59:35 GMT

In article <19921117.AA06253@tilde.csc.ti.com> dube@cpdvax.CSc.ti.COM writes:
>Harry Xu asked how to find out which band was best for certain states.
>Used to be that you could simply tune around on one band and then another, 
>listening for the call sign numbers for the general area you wanted.
>73,
>Dube                     AB5AP              <dube@cpdvax.csc.ti.com>

Tnx fer the suggestion, I think it works ane I'll try it.  but...
Does anyone here know a more "scientific" method of band selecting?
73,
--
Harry Xu (KB2LHA)	"Hell has no terrors for pagans."  --Arthur Rimbaud
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: mgknn@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (michael.g.kossor)
Subject: Botched Space Shuttle VLF Experiment - Anyone have information?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:49:30 GMT
Keywords: VLF space shuttle

Earlier this year, there was supposed to be a big VLF radio
experiment aboard the space shuttle.  Articles were written and
kits were sold for VLF receivers to monitor the experiment.

I built a receiver and listened on schedule but heard nothing.
The word I got was they blew a fuse on power up and never
transmitted anything!

I have not seen any articles written as to what actually
happened and if and when the experiment was to be rescheduled.
There have been several shuttle flights since the botched
experiment without any reference to the VLF experiment.  

The advertisements for selling the kits were directed towards 
Boy scouts and amateur scientists.  I would guess there are
a lot of disappointed people out there in the dark like me.
Does anyone know the real story about what happened and if the
experiment is to be repeated?  When? Any information appreciated.

                             Mike, WA2EBY

+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Mike Kossor, WA2EBY   |   13N. 12th Street   |  Kenilworth, NJ 07033 |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: kd2bd@ka2qhd.de.com (John Magliacane)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What we used to have...
Summary: CW on CB?  No way!
Date: 21 Nov 92 23:55:43 GMT
Organization: ka2qhd - Ocean NJ




Read the rules.  Only AM voice (4-watt carrier power), or SSB voice (12-watts
PEP) are allowed on the Citizen's Band.

The only exception is where radio control is concerned, but even in the case
of remote control, CW is not used.

It's amazing...  When 11-meters was opened to Amateurs, it was the only HF
band where FAX (A4) transmissions were allowed.  Hams did a lot to help develop
facsimile communications, then the FCC took 11-meters away from the developers
(hams), and gave it to a no-code Citizen's Radio Service.

Just look at how popular FAX is today, and look at what a MESS 11-meters is.

Kinda makes you think, eh?

73, de John, KD2BD

(In support of a "know code" license...)

-- 
John A. Magliacane                 FAX  : (908) 747-7107
Engineering & Technology Dept.     AMPR : KD2BD @ NN2Z.NJ.USA.NA
Brookdale Community College        UUCP : ...!rutgers!ka2qhd!kd2bd
Lincroft, NJ  07738  USA           VOICE: (908) 224-2948
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: garnet@borland.com (Garnet Chaney)
Subject: Re: TS850SAT
Originator: garnet@genghis.borland.com
Keywords: mine is great
Organization: Borland International
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:56:56 GMT

In article <22467@drutx.ATT.COM> paul@drutx.ATT.COM (AndersonPE) writes:
>I would not hesitate to buy the 850. I have had one for a year and a
>half and its a pleasure to operate. Anyone that I have ever talked to
>that owns one feels the same way I do. The only bad press that I have
>ever heard about the 850 is from people that don't have one and never
>operated one.
>
>Paul Anderson WB0ZRD at AT&T Bell Labs in Denver.
>
>	  

The Kenwood TS850SAT has a few warts, most minor, most somewhat difficult
to track down. But otherwise I love my rig:

1) Slope Tune controls are easy to reverse. If you reverse their positions
  to fully closed, (rather than fully open) you will get very little
  sound out of the radio. But the CW confirmations from switching modes
  will still be at full volume. I tore the radio apart one night when
  I made this setting blunder. 

2) Auto tuner will not tune if carrier control (CW power out) is set to
  zero. If it is to any other setting, the rig automatically goes down to
  ten watts to do the tuning, but if set at zero, it doesn't put the
  power up to ten watts. This worried me for most of an evening drive
  home.

3) Handheld microphone switch can be used for CW keying, UNLESS you have 
  a key plugged into the CW key jack, or a TNC plugged into the 
  accessory jack. This is frustrating, but simple to cure.

4) 500 HZ filter passband is out of the tuning range for use with MFJ TNC
  on HF packet if the radio is in LSB mode. The radio must be operated
  in the FSK mode in order to have a passband that the modem will tune to. 
  I spent a couple of hours on the phone with MFJ tech support, as they 
  blamed Kenwoods filter for having a passband out of their actually wide
  tuning range, and Kenwood techsupport blaimed MFJ for a really bizarre
  way of determining filter passband.... When I figured out to try FSK, 
  the Kenwood tech, who claimed 13 years experienced, then asked me why
  I didn't think of that sooner, not why didn't he think of it sooner.

5) Voice with the microphone is unintelligible if a TNC is plugged into the
  accessory jack. Some sort of mixing of audio occurs, that goes away if
  I unplug the accessory jack cable. 

6) Auto tuner can not be activated by remote control over the RS-232 
  interface. This could be important for remote operations, in my 
  opinion, to help clean up SWR at band edges.  

I have a couple of other gotchas, but overall the radio is a very nice rig
and very enjoyable to operate. 

From: bmp@pollux.svale.hp.com (Brian M. Perkin)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:03:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Repeater freqs. for Bay area needed
Organization: Hewlett Packard CPCD, Sunnyvale CA
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc

Start with the ARRL repeater handbook. Most of the bay area repeaters
are listed accurately there. It costs about 5 to 6 dollars and is
available at most places where ham radios and scanners are sold.

Brian
N6RSW
From: tskelton@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Tom Skelton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ZA1A QSL info, CQWW
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:02:40 GMT
Reply-To: tskelton@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Tom Skelton)
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

QSL ZA1A from  1992 CQWW phone to OH2BBF.  This is from the November 1992
CQ magazine, page 144.  73, Tom WB4IUX

--
From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NEW TECH..
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:55:12 GMT
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA

In article <1992Nov20.182337.25413@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>,
    little@nuts2u.enet.dec.com (nuts2u::little) writes:

| > ...didn't know one end of a resistor from the other...
| 
| There's a difference?  No wonder that receiver I built last night didn't
| work! ;-)

Of course.  Everyone knows that the electrons have to travel left-to-right,
the same way you read the colour bands!

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@esi.COM.AU                ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave
           Disclaimer: "Me, speak for us?"
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