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From: gbt@cray.com (Greg Titus)
Subject: Re:  Need info on Gila Wilderness
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:04:20 CST

In article <1k4oulINNt0t@lynx.unm.edu> mulberry@triton.unm.edu () writes:
>...  I believe that NOAA or some other
>science agency has a research facility in that area that is 
>devoted to lightning research.

New Mexico Tech's Langmuir Thunderstorm Research Lab, on South Baldy
in the Magdalena Mountains west of Socorro (somewhat NNE-ish of the
Gila).  They bring lightning down to the lab by firing wire-trailing
rockets into thunderstorms.  A few years ago the folks there were
the first to electrically invert a thundercloud (charge cloud and
ground opposite to how they naturally are).

greg
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From: diverson@phys.ksu.edu (David Iverson)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Seeking 1-person tent
Date: 27 Jan 1993 18:15:59 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: bose.phys.ksu.edu

In <lm8i93INNjnf@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill) writes:

>So I'm looking for a 1-person tent, for use on overnight kayak
>trips.  I'm not interested in a "small 2-person tent" like the
>Sierra Designs Flashlight, since on a kayak trip I don't want
>anybody sharing my tent.  I do want something that is seriously
>lightweight, storm-proof, bug-proof, and packs up small.  The
>mosquito-screen head tent, made by some company up in Alaska,
>would come close, if it only had a rainfly.


I have an LLBean Blue Ridge Camping Hammock that I absolutely love.  It has
a solid nylon bottom (fabric, not mesh) with a no-see-um top and a nylon
rainfly.  It's just like a tent in that when you're zipped in you're totally
isolated from dem-damn-bugs!!!  And it is ROOMY.  It provides excellent
stability and support (it doesn't swing more than 5 times after you get in
it, if you're looking for a hammock to swing in the breeze with, this is not
it)  And if you string it tight you'll hardly know you're off the ground. 
The rain-fly really covers the hammock well and provides good protection.  

But the best thing of all is that you will never have to search for a level,
root and rock free camp site again.  All you need is two mature trees about
10-15 feet apart.  And it is the best way to go if you want to go further
with minimum impact, you don't crush any vegetation with your tent or body
as you sleep.

The hammock weighs about 4 lbs. and packs to be about the size of
summer-weight sleeping bag.

I hated hammocks until I fell in love with this one.

-David Iverson
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From: mbmg@beethoven.mitre.org (Michael B. Michnikov)
Subject: Arizona Weather in February
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:31:09 GMT

I will be visiting San Diego in the middle of February and would like
to do some hiking in Arizona at the same time.

What kind of weather should I expect? Will it be possible to visit the
Grand Canyon? If not, which parks will be accessible then?

Thank you. Mike.
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From: hammett@rtsg.mot.com (Martin Hammett)
Subject: Minnesota Canoeing
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:33:15 GMT

A friend of a friend told me about a place in Minnesota, near the 
Canadian border, where one could go canoeing down some river.  
Granted this is very little information, but does any one know of 
a group that organizes these things in northern Minnesota and 
how I could get in touch with them?  Any tips would be appreciated.
-- 
--Martin

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Martin Hammett A.K.A. "Riggs"                | Phone:  +1 708-632-2191
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Light Weight Back Packing?
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:57:38 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1jvm1aINN7r3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, as376@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stephen C. Ferguson) writes:
> 
> Does anyone know anything about very! light weight back
> packing? I mean going into the woods for 1-2 nights with just
> 20 lbs or so.  I am not talking survival tactics quite, I would 

I ran into Charlie Fowler one evening at the base of the Longs Peak north
face (about 13000 ft).  He had no pack and was on his way up while the
rest of us were on our way down... said he was going to just "crawl
under a rock and sleep."  He also said he had a snowmobile suit he wears
on colder nights.  

When you think about it, a snowmobile suit's got to be warm, designed
for sitting inactive in the cold wind.  (Not that I want to start the
great "motoroized ==> non-physical" debate again or anything.)
-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
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From: jagrant@emr1.emr.ca (John Grant)
Subject: Re: White Gas Names [Was Re: Info on Whisper Lite Stoves]
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:03:46 GMT

In article <C1B3Lw.4vK@fulcrum.co.uk> igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten) writes:
>In article <1jn4i8INNcns@crcnis1.unl.edu> price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price) writes:
>> >Why kerosene?  It's far more available in the third world than white 
>> >gasoline (naptha), 
>> 
>> I'm afraid I wouldn't qualify Britain and Continental Europe or New Zealand and
>> Australia as "third world". Probably more accurate would be to say that the
>> ready avaliablity of "white gas" is unique to North America, and elsewhere it
>> may be either hard to get or unavailable.
>
>
>White Gas:
>
>OK, here's my experience.  I run an MSR stove and a Coleman stove,
>mostly because they're niver objects than the usual Gaz equipment.
>They're usually not run on kerosene, because it's a pain to prime. So
>I've foraged for fuel a bit in Europe.  Camping shops in the UK sell
>Coleman Fuel, although it's expensive.  In Germany I was reduced to
>burning a bottle of fuel for petrol cigarette lighters, but my German
>wasn't up to asking seriously.  In France ``Essence C'' is sold in every
>supermarket, dirt cheap, as a solvent for cleaning grease off clothes.
>It's a bit dirty sometimes, but it's VERY cheap.
>
>Kerosene:
>
>That's paraffin in English.
>
>ian

	I had no trouble in Africa (at least in Kenya).  White gas
	(naphtha) is sold in Woolworth's (like Woolco,K-Mart) as
	'cleaning fluid'.  It was readily available.
-- 
John A. Grant						jagrant@emr1.emr.ca
Airborne Geophysics
Geological Survey of Canada, Ottawa
From: cookliwj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Deer Whistles
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:00:45 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

Deer whistles work just fine, my son had his installed for very little over a
week before he called up a real nice doe with them ! It was a head shot, so not
much damage to the car or the meat!!

Bill
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From: dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu (Donald R. Newcomb)
Subject: Re: Heavy Weight Backpacking (was Re: Light Weight Back Packing)
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:17:30 GMT

In article <C1Krx1.CB4@inews.Intel.COM> jreece@sousa.intel.com writes:
>Once one fellow in my Boy Scout troop packed a big exterior car mirror that 
>weighed about a kilo.  He didn't want to spring $1 for the little plastic
>camping ones.

Once, about '73, I was trudging my way up to the North Rim of the Grand
Canyon after spending about a week "down below" when I met a troop of
Boy Scouts coming down the trail. One of them had a Coleman two-burner
camp stove hanging below his pack. I don't mean strapped on. It was
swinging freely like a pendulum. With every step he took, it wacked him
in the back of the leg. By the time I saw them it must have hit him 2000
times and he had about 4000 more wacks to go but showed no sign that
he found anything wrong with the situation.

While we are on the subject of heavy weight; I have often wondered
what camping in the backcountry was like before the invention of
much of our "high tech" gear. The question was partially answered
when a friend showed me a 1935 "Popular Science" magazine. One of the
feature articles was on wilderness camping. Canvas tents, iron fry
pans, folding chairs oil-skin ponchos were all part of a well planned
camping trip. Oh yes, I almost forgot, a pack horse too. 8-)
-- 
Donald R. Newcomb              * University of Southern Mississippi
dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu      * (Gulf Park), Computer Science
newcomb@usmcp6.bitnet          * Do not bend, fold, spindle or mutilate.
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From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Victims Wanted for First Aid Simulation
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Distribution: su
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:30:51

I don't believe it would be correct for any white, heterosexual males
to take part in this charade.  They are not included in the list
of certified victim groups.

--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Avoid Lyme Disease: Go naked?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 12:09:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


  Having been tick-bit to the point of life-threatening infection
in an earlier life as a surveyor in Texas, I found that the looser
the clothing, the fewer ticks. I.e. they tended to like the areas
covered by elatstic waist bands, belts, socks, etc....
  That's why I switched to boxer short. Nothing like a few
arthropods on yer cojones whilst wearing jockeys...
-- 
Ted....
From: gcfrank@sgit33.sdrc.com (Frank Glandorf)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Which Gore-tex parka to buy?
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:47:33 GMT

In article <4592@cvbnetPrime.COM>, padams@cvbnet.prime.com (cvbnet) writes:
> From article <tes.727404672@sun.soe.clarkson.edu>, by tes@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Todd E Stevens):
> > 
> >      I'm trying to decide which gore-tex parka (pants/bibs also) to
> > 	 buy.? I've looked at the North Face Lightweight, Moonstone
> > 	 Advantage, and the Marmot Lightweight Alpinist. I'm interested to
> 
>   they're all good products. the best tip is: try them on with what you
> will wear under them. then bend and flex and move around. they don't
> stretch and they don't shrink after you buy them, so the best fit
> should win.
> 
> 					-paul

I beg to differ. I had a gore-tex parka from an outfit called "Landav".
They're from Portland, Oregon. The parka was never very water proof.
I sealed the seams a couple of times but it still leaked.
It was sent back to the manufacturer who said it was in good repair.
I bought it in spring of 1985 and by fall of 1988 the membrane had
separated from nylon shell. By then the local outdoors shop had 
discontinued carrying the line and could do nothing for me. I've
used a Helley Hansen anorak(with Helley Tech) since and am quite
pleased with it.
-Frank
From: kgg@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Kees Goossens)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Karrimor SA 7000?
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:40:22 GMT
Reply-To: kgg@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Kees Goossens)
Organization: The Lavatory for the Foundations of Computer Science

In article <1jrhtjINNbs6@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> onlit@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Drew) writes:
>Has anyone tried the newest rucsac by Karrimor?  I believe it's called SA 7000
>(or something like that).  I had a chance to browse through the brochure.  I
>was told that only a couple of hundreds are manufactured and they are all 
>serial-numbered!  Karrimor claims it has the best back system.  It carries 
>lifetime warranty (as most Karrimor rucsacs do).  I was also told that the
>owners of these very first SA 7000s will also enjoy free modifications; 
>meaning, if Karrimor makes newer versions of it later on, owners of the 
>originals can send them back to Karrimor and have them "upgraded" free of 
>charge.  

I think you might might the Aurora (tacky name or what) because it's completely
different etc.  I think 500 have been made and are (in my opinion) a first
step down the slippery slope of blatant marketing hype/useless features
sort of gear.  Anyway, I tried the Aurora, and the backsystem
including waistbelt is *hard* plastic which touches your back and hips on
relatively few places.  It didn't have enough weight in it to really
indicate how well it would fit with real loads.  It seemed to me that it
would either be extremely uncomfortable or great -- no in between.
btw. I have a two Karrimor rucksacks (hot earth & SA63) and am very happy
with them, although I would consider buying Berghaus next time because they
seem to be just that little bit sturdier and stronger (seams etc).  I think
Karrimor's SA backsystem is great.

Kees

-- 
Kees Goossens                       Keep in Touch with the Dutch:
LFCS, Dept. of Computer Science     JANET: kgg@dcs.ed.ac.uk
University of Edinburgh, Scotland   UUCP:  ..!mcsun!uknet!dcs!kgg
Wiskunde is bouwen in de geest.	--- Luitzen Egbertus Jan Brouwer.
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From: pdifalco@fnma.com (Phil DiFalco)
Subject: Arizona Backpacking/Fishing
Reply-To: pdifalco@fnma.com
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:26:02 GMT


I'm going to Arizona in mid-February.
I've never been to Arizona before.

I plan on doing some backpacking/fishing in the
state and would appreciate insight as to:
	1) good backpacking and/or fishing trails/trips;
	2) places to visit/avoid;
	
Thanks.

--
email: pdifalco@fnma.com (NeXT Mail Okay)
Philip DiFalco, Senior Analyst, Advanced Technology
FannieMae, 3900 Wisconsin Ave NW, Washington, DC 22016     (202)752-2812
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From: bonn@networx.com (David Bonn)
Subject: Re: Info on Whisper Lite Stoves
Organization: NetWorx
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:59:12 GMT

Alex F. Dietz (afd@bellcore.com) wrote:
: All the Whisper Lite stoves I've seen use the MSR
: fuel bottle.  Is this really necessary?  Wouldn't any old
: fuel bottle with the right threads work just as well?

The instructions with my MSR Whisperbomb say "Use only MSR fuel bottles with
your Whisperlite stove, other fuel bottles from other manufactures may fail."
(Not quite a literal quote, but that was the gist of it).

While this may be a typical marketeering attempt to force me to buy more
products from the same company, I don't even want to think about what fuel
bottle failure might imply.  Probably it would be very, very loud.

--

 David Bonn		"the fast ones always ride for free"
 bonn@networx.com
From: igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: White Gas Names [Was Re: Info on Whisper Lite Stoves]
Date: 23 Jan 93 12:20:20 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

In article <1jn4i8INNcns@crcnis1.unl.edu> price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price) writes:
> >Why kerosene?  It's far more available in the third world than white 
> >gasoline (naptha), 
> 
> I'm afraid I wouldn't qualify Britain and Continental Europe or New Zealand and
> Australia as "third world". Probably more accurate would be to say that the
> ready avaliablity of "white gas" is unique to North America, and elsewhere it
> may be either hard to get or unavailable.


White Gas:

OK, here's my experience.  I run an MSR stove and a Coleman stove,
mostly because they're niver objects than the usual Gaz equipment.
They're usually not run on kerosene, because it's a pain to prime. So
I've foraged for fuel a bit in Europe.  Camping shops in the UK sell
Coleman Fuel, although it's expensive.  In Germany I was reduced to
burning a bottle of fuel for petrol cigarette lighters, but my German
wasn't up to asking seriously.  In France ``Essence C'' is sold in every
supermarket, dirt cheap, as a solvent for cleaning grease off clothes.
It's a bit dirty sometimes, but it's VERY cheap.

Kerosene:

That's paraffin in English.

ian
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From: sguha@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Saumyen Guha)
Subject: Re: Boot Review wanted
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:19:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.225654.17333@sol.UVic.CA> randrew@teton.UVic.CA (Rex  Andrew) writes:
>I apologize in advance if this has been covered before -- I just started
>reading this newsgroup.
>
>I'm interested in a "medium weight" hiking boot heavy enough for several-
>day backpacks, off-trail, and pleasant fourth class scrambles, but
>not "heavy duty" mountaineering boots like Asolos, Merrills, etc. I suspect
>this type of boot can be identified by its price range: $150 - $225 US$.
>
>I was told that there was a review of such boots in an outdoor magazine
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>"not too long ago" -- which I take to be sometime in '92. Does anybody
>know anything about this?

  See the April'92 issue of the 'Backpackers'. It lists not only boots,
but also, tents,backpacks and stoves. Prices might have increased a bit
from what it lists.


later,

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sguha@phoenix.princeton.edu
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From: jensen@peruvian.cs.utah.edu (travis jensen)
Subject: REI backpacks
Organization: University of Utah Computer Science
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 05:31:38 GMT

A quick question regarding REI backpacks:  I heard that
REI buys them from another company (either Camp Trails
or Kelty) and then puts their name on them.  Can anyone
confirm or deny this?  Also, does anyone have any reasons
why I should not buy an REI backpack?


Travis A. Jensen             "Who needs a life if you have 
Brain Dead Student            lots of money?  Who needs money 
Overworked Employee           if you have no life?" 
Ugggghhhh                     --T. Jensen (relating his life)
From: evans@cs.arizona.edu (Richard C. Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: define adventure
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:50:27 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

As Bilbo Baggins said, "Adventures make one late for dinner."
From: x90watz@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: HIKING IN MAINE -- INFO REQUESTED
Date: 26 Jan 93 09:08:33 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Netters,

	My mind has been wandering lately in the direction of Maine........ My
roommate and I are seriously considering taking a trip there immediately
post-graduation from this wonderful university ;-)  I want to know anything
which is pertinent to hiking there..........places to go, weather to prepare
for, etc.  We will be going in late April/early May for approximately a week. 
	Anything which can be relayed will be much appreciated......and I'll
even post any shareable wisdom if there is enough response.  Thanks in advance!

-Mike-
*WMU*
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From: racg8670@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (becca )
Subject: food dehydrators
Summary: help needed for food dehydrator
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:15:34 GMT
Keywords: food dehydrators

Okay I saw this a few days back but I can't find it anymore...
I am going to buy a food dehydrator, but I can't tell the difference
between the harvest maid (already recommended in rec.backcountry) and
the american harvest models...

The only difference I have seen so far is that the american harvest
model runs about $50 for a six tray unit (expandable to 12), while 
the harvest maid runs about $80.

Could someone please clue me in?

I am new at this, so is there some feature I need to be watching for?
I will mostly be using this to make backpacking food; ie., light use...

thanks in advance...

becca
racg8670@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: rja@newbirth.Eng.Sun.COM (Robert Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: I need supplier addresses
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:44:14 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: newbirth


    Ok, I've been watching this group for a while, looking
    for a pointer to a FAQ, and haven't seen one, so I'm asking:

    What are the addresses and phone numbers for mail
    order suppliers of backpacking equipage, such as
    Marmot, Eastern Mountain Sports, North Face, etc.?
    I'm an REI member but am not impressed with the overall
    quality of their name-brand stuff.  I'm currently in
    the market for a waterprof parka and pants, but I
    don't want to spend the megabucks on GoreTex unless
    absolutely required.  Ideally I'd like a waterproof,
    or at least highly resistant, outer shell which is
    rugged and easily vented.

    Email to me, I'll summarize.

    Thanks in advance.
-- 
Robert Allen, rja@sun.com		DISCLAIMER: I said it, not my company.
		    Samuel Addams: Brewer, Patriot.															        "The right to brew beer is the right to be free!" - me
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Subject: Re: Bull Fighting (was A-word)
From: hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 21:48:57 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand - Software Development Center

In article <Jan26.234207.55670@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>As I see it, skiing is more likely to injure you (because of the velocity)
>whereas climbing is more likely to kill you (because of the velocity).
>
>Climbing accidents are less likely but more severe, I'm guessing.

Only if you exclude tendonitis and small abrasion injuries (I'll look up
the R&I survey on this).  So where on the injury scale do you draw the line?
Death sounds like the right point to me.

I was contemplating a rough "injury expectation" index for sports:
sum over X of (prob of injury X * severity of injury X).  But how do you
decide on a finite severity level for death?  Infinite severity tends to
skew the index somewhat...

-- 
Hugh Grierson          Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand - Software Development Centre
hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz 
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