HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (Purple Haze...)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,alt.allsysop,alt.bbs.ads,co.general,nyx.mis
Subject: Re: Back to Taxes again (was Re: Want _Your_ Blood to Boil too
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 03:34:15 EDT
Organization: Whoever you vote for, the government still gets elected.

aburt@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Andrew Burt) writes:

> No matter how you slice it, unless you think we can live without a
> government, we need taxes or their equivalent...

A volunteer government would put an end to corruption.  A volunteer government
that decided what aspects of society were in need of 'repair' and made it known
to the populance.  Then the people could decide if they wanted to feed the
infirm or to build a Whaling museum.



--
Big Brother is watching.  So are the Illuminati.  Maybe even your mother.
morpheus@entropy.mcds.com  /\/\/\/  f208.n2606.z1.fidonet.org
From: max@underg.UUCP (Max Cray)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: Re- Legion of Doom
Date: 29 Aug 92 16:45:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: underg.7P20PB4w164w
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation

peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:

> You're right. You may be a hacker. I don't deny that. I'm just pointing
> out that being a phreak doesn't make one a hacker. And being a hacker
> doesn't make you a phreak.

Well in a way phreaks are hackers. They are phone system hackers. Perhaps
you meant to say that being a cracker, does not make you a hacker?

 -= Max Cray =-
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
From: erikb@tic.com (Chris Goggins)
Subject: Re: Re- Legion of Doom
Organization: Texas Internet Consulting
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 05:04:29 GMT

Lcypher:

I don't think Brad was at this last Summercon.

I also don't remember you at the one I met him at.

I could be wrong, but I don't think you know him, nor
do I think you know what you are talking about.

Blindly calling someone a "loudmouth jerk" is almost
as bad as men in their 30's yelling "nark" and 
"squeeler."  Rather childish IMHO.

And Peter:  rest assured, I don't think anyone would ever
be so brash as to compare you to anything in fear
of "pissing you off,"  heavens no.  In fact, perhaps
you should just consider that any comparisons made
in the future, unless directly applied to you by name, 
are not meant to relate to you directly, indirectly, or in any
way shape or form.  :)

->ME
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,alt.allsysop,alt.bbs.ads,co.general,nyx.mis
From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: Back to Taxes again (was Re: Want _Your_ Blood to Boil too
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:01:10 GMT

I missed the beginning of this threat.  Could someone summarize 
what "back to taxes again" has to do with alt.bbs.ads?

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
From: mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Subject: Re: Re- Legion of Doom
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 07:25:40 GMT

In article <G4OIEAK@taronga.com> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>In article <199208251542.AA07845@eff.org> mc/G=Brad/S=Hicks/OU=0205925@mhs.attmail.com writes:
>[analogy between the Pagan church and phreaks]
>
>I'm not a Pagan... if I have any religion it's Science... but if I were a
>Pagan and someone had just compared me to a bunch of phreaks I'd be mighty
>pissed off. What phreaks do is not religious, and it's not ethical, and
>there is no possible comparison between the two groups. Most of the Pagans
>I know are fine people, who'd no more paw around in someone else's data
>than they'd paw around in someone else's desk.

 Thanks, I appreciate the defense.

Wassail,
Al Billings aka Grendel, a pagan

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Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:00:20 EST
              <ACM-L@OHSTVMA.BITNET>
From:         KONDARED@PURCCVM.BITNET

    please put me in ACM-L mailing list.


                                                      bye for now,
                                                         sashi.

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From: dtl8v@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Heracleitus)
Subject: Account Changes?
Originator: dtl8v@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:52:03 GMT


  What is the E-mail address to which we submit membership address
changes?  Is there a particular format for the mail changes?

Doug Lamb
University of Virginia
dtl8v@Virginia.EDU
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From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm,comp.security.misc
Subject: New Newsletter Editor for ACM SIGSAC's SIGSAC Review
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:00:03
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: comp
NNTP-Posting-Host: soldan.aero.org

I am pleased to announce the appointment of the new editor for SIGSAC Review,
the SIGSAC newsletter:

	Cathy Meadows
	Naval Research Laboratories
	Code 5543
	4555 Overlook Avenue SW
	Washington DC 20375
	202/767-3490
	meadows@itd.nrl.navy.mil

Please don't barrage her at once; give her time to get used to her new
position.

Daniel Faigin
Chair, ACM/SIGSAC
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[W]:The Aerospace Corp. M1/055 * POB 92957 * LA, CA 90009-2957 * 310/336-8228
[Email]:faigin@aerospace.aero.org              [Vmail]:310/336-5454 Box#13149
   "You can't be a rationalist in an irrational world. It isn't rational!"
	       Dr. Rance, in Joe Orton's "What the Butler Saw"
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
From: rschnapp@metaflow.com (Russ Schnapp)
Subject: Re: SIGGRAPH member benefits
Organization: Metaflow Technologies Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:09:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.202245.18060@koko.csustan.edu>, rsc@altair.csustan.edu (Steve Cunningham) writes:
|> There has been some discussion on comp.graphics from people wanting to 
|> get SIGGRAPH publications such as the SIGGRAPH '92 CD-ROM, and I have 
|> been responding consistently with "we don't have the budget to provide 
|> that for all members."  This has led me to believe that we would benefit 
    . . .
|> Computer Graphics (3 issues/year), and membership overhead  $30 per year
|>      This is the lowest level of service we could provide,
|>      and must be seen as part of all memberships.  Besides
|>      Computer Graphics, you also get discounts on conference
|>      registration and single-copy publication sales
|> 
|> All conference proceedings from the annual conference       $25 per year
|>      Conference proceedings, visual proceedings, CD-ROM
   . . . 
|> Given these costs and options, what combination(s) of publications would 
|> you like to receive as a SIGGRAPH member?  For those of you who are not 
|> members, are there any publications here that would lead you to join 
|> SIGGRAPH?
|> 
|> Thank you for your comments and suggestions.
|> 
|> -- Steve Cunningham
|>    SIGGRAPH Director for Publications

I like the level of service that I get right now.  I can't say I
understand _why_ this level of service needs to change.  Will SIGGRAPH
change its rate structure for exhibitors and attendees at the annual
conference?  If not, what _will_ become of the excess income?  I don't
think it's appropriate for that money to go to the general treasury.

Assuming things _have_ to change, I wouls say that the appropriate
level is whatever is necessary to match current services, i.e.,
Computer Graphics plus Conference proceedings.  Make the CD-ROM
available at additional cost, along with ancillary conference
proceedings, SIGGRAPH revues, etc.

-- 

...Russ Schnapp
BIX: rschnapp           Email: uunet!metaflow!rschnapp or rschnapp@metaflow.com
Metaflow Technologies   Voice: 619/452-6608x230;  FAX: 619/452-0401
La Jolla, California    Unless otw specified, I`m speaking only for myself!
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
From: pparekh@sedona.intel.com (Pankaj Parekh)
Subject: Re: IEEE Mail Subscription Address
Originator: pparekh@sedona
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 06:33:59 GMT


I know this is wrong place to ask but anyone by chance have address of ieee 
membership subscription ? (email address)
Please send it to me at pparekh@sedona.intel.com
-- 
 Intel, Corp.
 5000 W. Chandler Blvd.
 Chandler, AZ  85226
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Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:54:28 EDT
              <ACM-L@OHSTVMA.BITNET>
From:         "Joe Katz" <JOEKATZ@ACMVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Account Changes?
              27 Aug 1992 16:52:03 GMT from <dtl8v@HOLMES.ACC.VIRGINIA.EDU>

I forgot the format question: The best way is to say, "I am Rob Petrie,
member number 1234567.  My address is changing to:

348 Bonnie Meadow Lane
New Rochelle, NY 10643


Or use your name and address if you're not comfortable with Rob Petrie.
From: rss@gooey.eng-sun (Rich Scire)
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
Subject: Re: ACM downgrades Catastrophe Medical Insu
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:41:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: fripp.1992Sep2.164101.6186
Reply-To: rss@gooey.eng-sun
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

> A Canadian-style plan, in spite of all the bad press it gets in the U.S.
> is actually reasonable.  (For example, one of the big lies about the
> Canadian health care system came out during the Tsongas campaign.  He said
> that he would have died with his cancer because the type of treatment he
> needed wasn't available in Canada.  As it turns out, the treatment he
> received was developed in Canada by two Canadian doctors.)

This doesn't mean that the procedure is AVAILABLE through the Canadian health care system.  Is it?

Rich

---

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E-Mail:  rss@cadre.com            222 Richmond St., Providence RI  02903
Phone:  (401) 351-5950            FAX: (401) 351-7380
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm,misc.jobs.contract
From: pparekh@sedona.intel.com (Pankaj Parekh)
Subject: Re: IEEE Address
Originator: pparekh@sedona
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:02:56 GMT


Thanks,
	for sending me all the address. I am posting these replies.

800 number: (800)678-IEEE.

  info@ieee.org

and supposedly they have 3 different addresses just for membership:

   membership-info@ieee.org        how/why to join IEEE

   application-status@ieee.org     to inquire regarding status of pending
                                      membership application
   membership-services@ieee.org    status of membership, publications or
                                      subscriptions (all grades)


IEEE Customer Service
445 Hoes Lane
PO Box 1331
Piscataway, NJ    USA
08855-1331

Fax: (908) 981-9667
Telex: 833233
	
IEEE, 10662 Los Vaqueros Circle, PO Box 3014,
	Los Alamitos, CA  90720-1264

Thanks everyone once again.
-- 
 Intel, Corp.
 5000 W. Chandler Blvd.
 Chandler, AZ  85226
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
From: flan@starling.wustl.edu (Ian Flanigan)
Subject: Ftp Archives
Keywords: End of the Year Reports, ACM, archives, ftp
Organization: Washington University, School of Engineering, St. Louis MO
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:04:46 GMT

Are the ACM End of the Year Reports for student chapters available for  
anonymous ftp?  How about other ACM forms liek memberships, etc?  It would make  
sense.

Thanks.

--
Ian Flanigan		"You can never have too many napkins."

Project Zeus
Washington University in St. Louis
flan@starling.wustl.edu
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From: ed@titipu.meta.com (Edward Reid)
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm,misc.jobs.contract
Subject: ACM downgrades Catastrophe Medical Insurance
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:00:51 GMT
Reply-To: ed@titipu.meta.com (Edward Reid)
Organization: Accuracy, Ltd.
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v0

I just received the latest mailing about the ACM's Catastrophe Major Medical
Insurance plan.  There are some major downgrades compared with the last time I
checked.  (I don't remember when I last checked, so the changes may not be
completely new.)  The changes make the plan much less useful to contractors. 
The changes:

   1) Deductible is now $35,000.
   2) Now available only if you have other medical insurance.
   3) There is now a long list of conditions which can make you ineligible.

The deductible was $25,000 recently, and was $15,000 when I obtained the plan
eight years ago.

The requirement for other insurance is new.

The list of conditions which make one ineligible is

   heart disease, kidney disease, lung disease, internal cancer, any immune
   disorder, AIDS, ARC, diabetes, neurological disease, mental or nervous
   dysfunction, alcohol or drug dependency

The changes cannot be blamed entirely on the ACM or the insurance
administrators -- possibly not at all.  The ACM insurance program is caught in
the same web of problems which is engulfing all medical insurance, and they
furthermore have been forced to change carriers at least twice in eight years
to keep this plan alive.  Nonetheless, these changes mean that a plan which was
previously a useful cap-loss for the self-employed is now much less widely
applicable.

Edward Reid  (8*}>
  eel:   ed@titipu.meta.com  or  nosc.mil!titipu.meta.com!ed
  snail: PO Box 378/Greensboro FL 32330
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
From: rlw@IDA.ORG (Richard Wexelblat)
Subject: Re: ACM Publications e-mail/phone number?
Organization: IDA, Alexandria, VA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 11:30:16 GMT

aras@eceris.ece.ncsu.edu (Caglan M. Aras) writes:
: I would like to get two back issues of ACM SIGPLAN NOTICES.  ...

(Sorry, direct reply failed.)

First try the acm general purpose address.  If that don't work go direct
to Donna Baglio

acm:	 acmhelp%ACMVM.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu
donnab:  "Donna Baglio" <BAGLIO%ACMVM.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu>
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  in any context, at any time, with or without attribution.
  Quotes out of context and parodies are encouraged.
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm,misc.jobs.contract
From: rschnapp@metaflow.com (Russ Schnapp)
Subject: Re: ACM downgrades Catastrophe Medical Insurance
Organization: Metaflow Technologies Inc.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:10:29 GMT

I assume that they are not "grandfathering" existing participants?  What
a pain.  I just joined this program 9 months ago.  If the underwriter is
looking to get out of this line of insurance, it sure sounds like they've
found an effective way to do it.  I should have expected this -- they
actually boosted the rates for the insurance between the time I applied
and when they accepted me -- so they reduced my coverage interval
pro-rata.  
-- 

...Russ Schnapp
BIX: rschnapp           Email: uunet!metaflow!rschnapp or rschnapp@metaflow.com
Metaflow Technologies   Voice: 619/452-6608x230;  FAX: 619/452-0401
La Jolla, California    Unless otw specified, I`m speaking only for myself!
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Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:51:14 EDT
              <ACM-L@OHSTVMA.BITNET>
From:         "Joe Katz" <JOEKATZ@ACMVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Account Changes?
              27 Aug 1992 16:52:03 GMT from <dtl8v@HOLMES.ACC.VIRGINIA.EDU>

Please send address changes to: ACMCOA@ACMVM.BITNET

Make sure you include your membership number.

Thanks,

Joe Katz
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
From: rsaripa@mars.cs.clemson.edu (Saripalli Ramakrishna)
Subject: Any ftp source for journals published in ACM?.
Organization: Clemson University Computer Science Dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:32:28 GMT

Hi,

	This is my first posting on this newsgroup.I would like to know if there is a ftp node that I could 
	'ftp' to to retrieve the journals published by ACM (specifically SIGGRAPH,SIGPLAN etc).Also,can I
	subscribe to ACM over this newsgroup (by sending them some mail)?.I guess anyone could copy these 
	journals.

	Any info on this would be appreciated.I can summarize if there is enough interest.

				
									Thanks in advance,
								Saripalli Ramakrishna

e-mail : rsaripa@cs.clemson.edu

Address :-
252-A Rock Creek Road
Clemson SC 29631

Phone :- 803-653-3089.
Man is a beast and usually has no control over his passions.
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
From: aras@eceris.ece.ncsu.edu (Caglan M. Aras)
Subject: ACM Publications e-mail/phone number?
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 02:20:19 GMT

I would like to get two back issues of ACM SIGPLAN NOTICES. I assume
that the publication services of ACM would be able to provide these. Is
there an e-mail address or a phone number (preferably toll free) where I
can contact someone for this purpose? Thank you very much.


Caglan M. Aras			| Robotics and Intel. Systems Lab.	
RISL- Box 7911			| aras@eceris.ece.ncsu.edu
North Carolina State University | ph: 919-515-5405
Raleigh, NC 27695		| 
Xref: sparky comp.org.acm:767 misc.jobs.contract:3260
From: ed@titipu.meta.com (Edward Reid)
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm,misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Re: ACM downgrades Catastrophe Medical Insurance
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:17:27 GMT
Reply-To: ed@titipu.meta.com (Edward Reid)
Organization: Accuracy, Ltd.
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v0

rschnapp@metaflow.com (Russ Schnapp) writes:
> I assume that they are not "grandfathering" existing participants?

They haven't said one way or the other.  They are still taking my money, and
haven't asked me whether I still qualify.  I prefer to be quiet and take my
chances -- they might kick me out if I ask, I might still be covered if I don't
ask, and I don't know of another source for similar insurance.

Edward Reid  (8*}>
  eel:   ed@titipu.meta.com  or  nosc.mil!titipu.meta.com!ed
  snail: PO Box 378/Greensboro FL 32330
Xref: sparky comp.org.acm:764 misc.jobs.contract:3227
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 09:19:33 EDT
              <ACM-L@OHSTVMA.BITNET>
From:         "Joe Katz" <JOEKATZ@ACMVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ACM Publications e-mail/phone number?
              4 Sep 1992 02:20:19 GMT from <aras@ECERIS.ECE.NCSU.EDU>

To order back issues, please call the ACM Order Department.  The toll-free
number is (800) 342-6626; in Alaska, Maryland and outside the United States,
please call (410) 528-4261.

The mailing address is: ACM Order Dept.
                        PO Box 64145
                        Baltimore MD 21264


Thank you.

Joe Katz
ACM Marketing Coordinator
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
From: mcmahon@tgv.com (John 'Fast-Eddie/FuzzFace' McMahon)
Subject: Re: Danger Will Robinson!  New Registration format for Symp
Reply-To: mcmahon@tgv.com
Organization: TGV Incorporated (Tech Support) in Santa Cruz, CA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:46:28 GMT


In article <1992Aug17.185327.534@decuac.dec.com>, avolio@dco.DEC.COM (Frederick M. Avolio) writes:
=
=As for $550.00.... I don't know... There's an awful lot of information
=packed in there.  I like DECUS.  I'm not sure $550 -- which includes
=continental breakfast and a full dinner-size, pig-out lunch -- is such
=a bad deal.

Well...

I won't debate that DECUS is a good thing to be at (it is), however
it has gotten expensive to go to a DECUS Symposium.  A fair number of
people are "shielded" from that expense because they are spending
their employer's money, and not their own.

IMHO, more and more people are trying to go to DECUS on their own
nickel.  Corporate travel budgets are shrinking, more people are
self-employed, and more people are unemployed.  As a result, I have
been meeting more than a few people who are paying part (or all) of
their DECUS symposium bills.  I expect the trend to continue as prices
rise and the economy continues to slump.  

DECUS is not cheap!  In addition to the cost of the Symposium,
you have to pay "downtown" hotel prices ($60-$120 a night) and
cover travel to the Symposium.  A estimate of $1500 to $2000 is
what I usually use.  That's a tough nut to swallow if it's coming
out of your own pocket.

I stated at an open Board meeting about a year ago that I felt
that DECUS was making a mistake in raising prices.  I felt the
economy didn't support a price increase, and that "simple supply
and demand" would cause attendance to fall.

I also pointed out that the DECUS cities (Atlanta, New Orleans,
Anaheim, Las Vegas, San Francisco) traditionally were expensive,
and suggested that cheaper alternatives be sought.  

I realize it's a complex process putting a DECUS symposium on,
one can hope that the appropriate folks are seeking ways to
make the Symposium more easily available to DECUS members.

--
John 'Fast-Eddie' McMahon    ()
TGV, Incorporated            () "Any networking problem can be solved by
603 Mission Street           ()  the application of 33 miles of Unshielded 
Santa Cruz, California 95060 ()  Twisted Pair (UTP)"   
408-427-4366 or 800-TGV-3440 ()                      [InterOp Spring 1992]
E-Mail: MCMAHON@TGV.COM      ()

Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
From: mcmahon@tgv.com (John 'Fast-Eddie/FuzzFace' McMahon)
Subject: Re: Danger Will Robinson! New Registration format for Symp
Reply-To: mcmahon@tgv.com
Organization: TGV Incorporated (Tech Support) in Santa Cruz, CA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:00:14 GMT


In article <sims.715280682@starbase>, sims@magellan.mitre.org (Jim Sims) writes:
= C'mon, guys. Surely you've read in numerous forums the reason we go to
= these cities.

(list of very good reasons deleted)

Let's see if we can get this back on the right track.  I'm trying to
echo the concerns I hear from other members about "why" people can't
go to Symposium.  I realize it's a complex issue.

I would like to think that people would be willing to exchange a
reasonable decrease in price for a longer lag time on the bus and
reduced (not eliminated) meal service.

Opinion: It seems to me that in Atlanta we already brush up
against the 15 minute limit during rush hour.  

I can't speak for function space, my guess is that the limiting factor 
is the big rooms.  And those do fill up during the Symposium.  So I
doubt a cut there would be useful.

I heard the Symposium Committee polled attendees about this a while ago,
what was the results of the poll ? 

= And, if you look around and are a bit creative, hotels are *not* that
= expensive. I have been attending on my own $$ lately, sharing a 2-brm
= suite with 3 other peoploe typically drops you into the $30/nite range
= rather than the $60-100 range....

I agree.  At Atlanta, I had three in my hotel room.  It worked out 
pretty well.  Perhaps, I'll do something similar for Las Vegas.

Finding housing bargains is a lot easier if they are suggested
by official publications, or you have some DECUS experience.
If you are a newcomer, you  are likely to use the housing bureau
(pricey) since it's the limit of the housing information available.

A minus of some housing bargains is that you may end up off
the bus routes.  This can be an annoyance in some cities. 

--
John 'Fast-Eddie' McMahon    ()
TGV, Incorporated            () "Any networking problem can be solved by
603 Mission Street           ()  the application of 33 miles of Unshielded 
Santa Cruz, California 95060 ()  Twisted Pair (UTP)"   
408-427-4366 or 800-TGV-3440 ()                      [InterOp Spring 1992]
E-Mail: MCMAHON@TGV.COM      ()

Newsgroups: comp.org.decus