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From: brewer@meltdown.chi.il.us (Mike Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: best beer under $6
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:56:46 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

Wow.  The difference here between SA and Berghoff is about a buck and a half. 
I can get SA on sale for $4.99 a six.  Of course, it's got to be on sale,
otherwise I think it's $5.49, but don't quote me on that.  

Last I saw, Berghoff was on sale for as little $3.69.  I don't know what
regular price is.  I had some homebrew left so I had to buy nothing to enjoy
great beer.  (Alright, so I AM a little biased.)
From: okes@essex.ac.uk (Oke S)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Vote for Perot
Date: 15 Oct 92 09:59:03 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, UK.
In-reply-to: kimmel@staff.tc.umn.edu's message of 14 Oct 92 13:41:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.134128.1527@news2.cis.umn.edu> kimmel@staff.tc.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel) writes:
>In article <92287.153445JJB133@psuvm.psu.edu> <JJB133@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>>Unlike GHWB or Bill Clinton, my candidate has NEVER raised the beer
>>tax.
>>
>>  In Pa. you can volunteer to help us out by calling 1-800-360-ROSS.
>>
>Perot has never been in a position to raise beer taxes.  He DOES want to
>raise the gas tax $.50 a gallon...

If you must talk politics, then please either limit the distribution so that
non-Americans don't have it cluttering up their systems, or go to the
appropriate newsgroup. American petroleum prices have nothing to do with beer.

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: dam2009@rigel.tamu.edu (MILLER, DAVID ARTHUR)
Subject: Texas beer laws
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  Texas, Laws
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:21:00 GMT

Can anyone shed any light for me on the beer laws in Texas concerning
microbreweries?  Is there any hope at all that we might someday have 
a the ability to have a good fresh beer??

In the dark at Aggieland.........
From: okes@essex.ac.uk (Oke S)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Bud sucks [and other nasty stuff]
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:34:21 GMT
	<1992Oct8.231513.11242@tamsun.tamu.edu>
	<1b2jbrINNc41@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU>
	<1992Oct9.083841.20763@wam.umd.edu>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, UK.
In-reply-to: mary@wam.umd.edu's message of 9 Oct 92 08:38:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.083841.20763@wam.umd.edu> mary@wam.umd.edu (Mary Louise Cassidy) writes:

>But my FAVORITE beer of all time is a Canadian brew called Toby..the best!
>I wish they'd export it!!  Anyone else had it???

I remember having a beer called Toby Bitter here in England; they even had a
big tv ad campaign going a few years ago. Seemed to be just another ordinary
bitter to me. Am I thinking of the same thing here, or am I just too drunk to
remember the difrference?


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From: tgrupe@watnxt11.ucr.edu (Todd E. Grupe)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Harley-Davidson Beer
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:46:03 GMT


Has anyone ever tried this stuff, and how hard is it to find?

A friend of mine in Connecticut showed me a can once; supposedly it's  
about the worst beer you can possibly buy, a fact in which some hog riders  
take inexplicable pride.  I haven't been able to find it anywhere since  
then.  Anyone have a clue?

TG

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From: brewer@meltdown.chi.il.us (Mike Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Pete's origins
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:02:13 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

As I said, the person I talked to in Palo Alto said that no beer was brewed in
Palo Alto.  Well, at least, no Pete's.  The Palo Alto office is just for
business and distribution, no brewing.  All that is done by Schell.

I must say, I was disappointed.
From: jbc4m@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (John B. Carr)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Blackened Voodoo
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:15:36 GMT
Reply-To: jbc4m@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (John B. Carr)
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <BvvC23.6st@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v088ptfu@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
(HUNG LO) writes:
|> Well, Blackened Voodoo is the name and its expensive.  Due to
budgetary
|> problems, my exploration of new or interesting brews has been
limited.
|> Before purchasing some to try, Id like to hear any comments anyone
has
|> about it.

	Well, it's a semi-decent dark lager.  Certainly much better then
Budmilloors or the regular Dixie, but nothing really to write home
about.

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From: wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Hinano beer
Date: 13 Oct 1992 21:24:31 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

When my wife and I got married, we went on our honeymoon in Tahiti.
One of the things that we enjoyed(please, no comments) was the
local beer, Hinano.  Does anyone know if this beer is available in
the U.S.?  Hinano has a picture of a tahitian woman on the label 
and is a slightly sweet lager.  Hey, you Aussies!  Have you seen this
beer?

Rick

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: 24 beers on tap???  Only in NYC
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:37:50 GMT

In article 13243@galileo.cc.rochester.edu, cm007b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dr. Ski) writes:

> Subject: Re: 24 beers on tap???  Only in NYC

Only 24 beers on tap?  Lyon's Brewery in Dublin CA has 38, and there's
a place in Southern California that has more than fifty!

NYC?  Who needs it!

---
Richard Stueven        gak@wrs.com         attmail!gakhaus!gak        107/H/3&4
	Did William Faulkner have little creatures on his old typewriter?
	If so, they were the product of whiskey, which addles the brain less
	than cartoon creatures and menus and buttons that send messages to
	the screen demanding: "Abort? Quit? Try Again? Drop Dead? Exit? Go To
	Hell You Schnook?" - Mike Royko
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: MOST Expensive Beer
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:00:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <Bw7v0z.G4@m2.dseg.ti.com> jmellby@iluvatar.dseg.ti.com (John R. Mellby) writes:
>I wanted to stay out of this one but ...
>You can't fairly compare local extremes.

   That's sorta what I was getting at during the first go-round
with the under-$6 thread.  My reasoning didn't make an impression
(nor was my understatedly sarcastic response taken as such).
   I'd have to say the most expensive beer I ever drank was when
I was sent out to JPL on short notice, and the airline ticket
was something like $1200.  Even leaving out lodging and other
miscellaneous expenses, that puts the price of a couple beers at
the local brewpub at about $50/ounce.  (I'll probably be flying
into DFW this Christmas on frequent flier miles, John, so if you
can point me to a source of Celis, I'll pick some up at a more 
reasonable price :-).
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
From: dliebman@terapin.com (David Liebman)
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:41:30 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <HuFJsB3w165w@depsych.Gwinnett.COM>, rc@depsych.Gwinnett.COM
(Richard Carlson) writes:
>
>achaulk@wtcd.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Alex Chaulk) writes:
>
>> P.S.  Then there was last weekend when my friend got his lip split open by
>> some rugby players trying to throw peanuts down his friend's cleavage.
>> I say
>> that peanuts and cleavage are hardly worth getting a split lip over.
>> There's
>> a distinct difference betweeen fighting for your honor and dignity and
>> fighting because you think you're tougher than the next guy.  
>
> And finally, at the end, as a literal
>postscript, there is a hedge and a bow to "reason," with the false
>opposition between genuine self-defense and looking for trouble.

rather, there's the proposition that 'honor' and 'dignity' are terms that
may apply only to those who lack cleavage.

the problem with your attempt to distill an 'ur', richard, is that your
raw grain was grown largely by a single half of the species.

-dave
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
From: blz1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Betsy L Zucker)
Subject: Re: Trash
Keywords: cultural struggle
Reply-To: blz1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Betsy L Zucker)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:24:42 GMT


In article 3885 of alt.postmodern,
rooney@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael Sean Rooney) writes:

> ... So the dominant culture declares itself absolutely "open"
> to other cultures, provided, of course, that they play by its
> rules ...

Yeah, I think that is a big part of why American pop culture
spreads like fungus over the globe.  To put it another way, in
regard to French films, the cliche is (BTW note by that very word
that the French <-> American interchange hasn't always been as it
is now) that English is more of a global language than French
because the French would rather speak foreigners' languages than
have foreigners mutilate French whereas English speakers demand
to hear English regardless of how poorly pronounced.  I think
most Americans would rather see a bad hollywood film than any
'foreign film' -- shudder, the very words sound arty, pedantic
and un-action-packed.

Also, GLAMOUR = MOOLAH = DOODOO, and you can quote me on that.
If Hollywood spends millions of bucks to make a flick and
millions more to distribute it, it gets distributed.  Wenders'
_Kings of the Road_ is a cinematic commentary on the dying of the
small cinema in Europe (long dead here) and includes a quite
relevant line to this discussion: "The Americans have colonized
our subconscious" (spoken in English if memory serves).

If you want a truly bizarre and surrealistically real European
view of Americans looking at Europe, see _Zentropa_.

       %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
	 Jeff Zucker  c/o  <blz1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu>
       %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
From: blz1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Betsy L Zucker)
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
Subject: Re: Trash
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:42:24 GMT
Reply-To: blz1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Betsy L Zucker)
Organization: Columbia University


Jeeze, Jonas, lighten up, willya, and cut Richard a break.  If
you read his post again, you might notice that he presumably
prefers Goddard and Cocteau to Stallone and Spielberg -- his
point had to do with pop tastes, not his own.

But Richard, I too have some bones to pick with you on the
Surgeon General thing.	To say that prior abuse is the prime
predictor of future abuse does not automagically mean that culture
has no relationship with violence.  There are a variety of possible
relationships which aren't mutually exclusive with that finding.

Perhaps violence in the culture is a reflection of physical
violence rather than a cause and therefore worthy of study as an
indicator of trends.

Perhaps the widespread cultural message that violence is the best
means of solving disputes predisposes people exposed to abuse to
perpetuate it themselves rather than seeking other methods of
dealing with their own pain.  For example, what about those who
were abused as kids but managed to turn their own lives around
anyway (I certainly know some fine therapists whose compassion
arrises from personal experience with abuse) -- can we say that
cultural messages are unimportant in increasing the percentage
who are able to escape from their personal histories?

Further, what if cultural messages legitimating racism, sexism,
homophobia and violence against 'weirdos' encourage abused
individuals to transform their own pain into *both* abuse of
their own children *and* abuse of culturally denigrated groups.

On the other hand, if my main concern in life was reducing the
amount of child abuse in our society, I think I'd be spending my
time working with victims of abuse, rather than critiquing
pop culture on alt.pm, so perhaps the SG is right.

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	  Jeff Zucker  c/o  <blz1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu>
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P.S. Richard: Cocteau did Orpheus, not Renoir, and a fine,
fine, Orpheus it is -- death on a motorcycle, mirrors as entrance
to the netherworld, lesbian poetesses as Bacchantyes, ah, them
frogs sure know how to make films.
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
From: Brennan.J.Murphy.53@nd.edu (BRennan Murphy)
Subject: Arthur Rimbaud, Where are you?
Followup-To: alt.postmodern
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:03:42 GMT

Has anybody seen Arthur Rimbuad lately?  I need tyo find him mbecause I am
doing a report of sorts on his sordid self.  If you know where that
Atheist, Drug-running, coffe salesman is, please tell him to send me some
instructions on how to interpret his letter to Paul Demeny.  Tell him I
nned to know what his notion of Poetry was.
Yer a Pal,
brennan
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
From: notbiff@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jake Davis Smith)
Subject: Re: The drinking game
Followup-To: alt.postmodern,misc.test,alt.sex,alt.fan.warlord
Organization: Default organization
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 06:43:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.094729.18545@leland.Stanford.EDU> yunus@loro-next.Stanford.EDU (Jonas Sami Celebiler) writes:
>---------------------------------
>POSTMODERNISM:  THE DRINKING GAME
>---------------------------------
> 
>	COROLLARY:  anyone who explains the rules is an ANNOYING FUCK.
>Have a drink.

I D0NT GET IT !!!!1  D0ES THIS MEAN ANY THING ????????????????/


				Y0U"RE PAL
				NELS0N 0TBIFF !!!!!!!

-- 

--
I"M NOT BIFF WHO DOESNT HAVE THEYRE 0WN 0BN0XIUS SIGNATURE YET !!!!1
From: rc@depsych.Gwinnett.COM (Richard Carlson)
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:17:20 GMT

dliebman@terapin.com (David Liebman) writes:

> In article <HuFJsB3w165w@depsych.Gwinnett.COM>, rc@depsych.Gwinnett.COM
> (Richard Carlson) writes:
> >
> >achaulk@wtcd.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Alex Chaulk) writes:
> >
> >> P.S.  Then there was last weekend when my friend got his lip split open by
> >> some rugby players trying to throw peanuts down his friend's cleavage.
> >> I say
> >> that peanuts and cleavage are hardly worth getting a split lip over.
> >> There's
> >> a distinct difference betweeen fighting for your honor and dignity and
> >> fighting because you think you're tougher than the next guy.  
> >
> > And finally, at the end, as a literal
> >postscript, there is a hedge and a bow to "reason," with the false
> >opposition between genuine self-defense and looking for trouble.
> 
> rather, there's the proposition that 'honor' and 'dignity' are terms that
> may apply only to those who lack cleavage.

But the machismo, the overvaluation of conventional masculine
stereotypes of behavior, the medieval-like "chivalry," is _part_
of the bully myth.  In fact the payoff may be "becoming a man" and
obtaining a woman.

> the problem with your attempt to distill an 'ur', richard, is that your
> raw grain was grown largely by a single half of the species.
> 
> -dave

Yes, and when women appropriate the myth for themselves they come
up with somebody like WonderWoman or Red Sonja who are essentially
men sans penis.  That's part of the social reality and part of the
problem.

In fact as I reread the text, with its clearly macho language --
incidentally confirming Derrida's notion that the myth cannot exist
by itself as an abstract structure but must be embodied in the
_ecriture_ of the text -- I'm convinced that it is indeed a pure
instance of the bully myth.

--
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From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:44:40 GMT
Subject: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern

              Please answer these 9 questions and return.

1.) Do you think equal rights for men and women is generally a good idea?
Yes                  [ ]
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Haven't heard enough [ ]
Other                [ ]

2.) Are you pro choice?
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Other                [ ]

3.) Are you in favor of adoption?
Yes                  [ ]
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Other                [ ]

4.) Do you think men should be allowed to legally terminate their parental
rights and responsibilities before fetal viability?
Yes                  [ ]
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No                   [ ]
Haven't heard enough [ ]
Other                [ ]

5.) What sex are you?
Male               [ ]
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6.) How old are you?
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7.) What religion are you?
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8.) What political party are you affiliated with?
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From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
Subject: Re: Trashiness and Banality
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:55:36 GMT
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <1992Oct10.195309.5101@panix.com> 
gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:

>zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:

GF:
>>>-- by the way, that's the medieval spelling, right?

MZ:
>>On the contrary, it's 1894, Emile Henry.  You might be confused by the
>>_futur simple_ of `savoir'.

GF:
>Non, ton "jailissement."

Ah.  That was but a banal misspelling of `jaillissement'.  In any case, the
mediaeval (in fact, anterior to the XVIth century) spelling of the verb
form was `jalir', from the Latin `jaculari', to lance, commonly used in the
same active sense.  The modern, strictly intransitive form of this verb,
with the paronymously derived noun meaning roughly "to spew forth", always
had the familiar spelling.

>-- 
> )*(    Gordon Fitch    )*(    gcf@panix.com    )*(
>( 1238 Blg. Grn. Sta.,  NY NY 10274 * 718.273.5556 )

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Nous donnons la mort, nous saurons la subir."
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern,alt.is.not,alt.is.too,talk.bizarre
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: I am Just SHOCKED!
Keywords: postmodernism as reflexivity
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:37:50 GMT

kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:

] In article <1992Oct3.224245.12186@cheshire.oxy.edu> rooney@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael Sean Rooney) writes:
] >	Alt.postmodern is a very pluralistic group.  It used to house cascades
] 
] Salt roast modem is a nary ruralistic grope.  KITT used to have AIDS.
] 
] > It's also the hatching ground for Kibo's postbozoticism 
] 
] No, we call that "the world at large".
] 
] >	Open-ended?  Remember what happened to "Moonlighting".
] 
] Star Trek was better than the Flintstones, just as Moonlighting was
] better than the Jetsons... in bed.
] 								-- K.
] 

I Just Can NOT believe that this 'kibo' guy would be so
rude as to do all these nasty things in alt.postmodern
where it is So Essential that we resolve in which direction
the Venerable Literary Format of the 19th Century should
procede as the Clear StateOfTheArt Medium for the Artistic
Expression of those persons who can clearly afford a 
room of their own and 500 pounds a year.

Clearly his Disregard for the Clearly Outlined reasons for
alt.postmodern expresses a Total Disregard for the Significance
of Academic Discussion and Analysis of Modern Art Forms.

ciao
drieux




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Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
Subject: Re: Trashiness and Banality 
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:14:50 EDT
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <1992Oct2.034157.24153@panix.com> 
gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:

>In article <1992Sep30.204947.15982@husc3.harvard.edu>
>zeleny@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:

>>In article <1992Sep29.204230.8094@panix.com> 
>>gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:

GF:
>>>  [...]                      If Delacroix were to paint
>>>the revolution again, instead of a bare-chested goddess

MZ:
>>  						   ^^^^^^^
>>						  prostitute

GF:
>Unto him that hath, shall be given.

Gee, I never reckoned you would have such old-fashioned attitudes
towards female sexuality.

GF:
>>>leading Parisians over the barricades, he'd have to paint a
>>>fat balding guy with sunglasses waving a videocam while a
>>>ragged bunch of women and children straggled behind.

MZ:
>>We return you to the customary _jailissement_ of  trashiness and banality.

GF:
>But from him that hath not, shall be taken away even
>that which he hath.

Nor towards the wretched of the earth.

>>cordially,
>>mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
>>"Nous donnons la mort, nous saurons la subir."

GF:
>-- by the way, that's the medieval spelling, right?

On the contrary, it's 1894, Emile Henry.  You might be confused by the
_futur simple_ of `savoir'.

>-- 
> )*(    Gordon Fitch    )*(    gcf@panix.com    )*(
>( 1238 Blg. Grn. Sta.,  NY NY 10274 * 718.273.5556 )

ObPoMo: on revolutionary prostitutes, see T.J.Clark, _The Absolute Bourgeois_.

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Nous donnons la mort, nous saurons la subir."