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From: xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters)
Subject: Re: Jets win moral victory...
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 06:22:49 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa

In <1992Sep6.203935.13752@wuecl.wustl.edu> csm1@cec2.wustl.edu (Christopher Scott Macri) writes:

>Lets get that replay rule back and sink Leahy into the fountain of youth 
>and I think we got a ball club here!!

Ah yes, the obvious (on replay) Atlanta fumble, which was ruled "down by
contact".  For a few moments, I thought that this meant that the Jets
really deserved to be called the winners.  But then it struck me:  from
that point on, Atlanta played to run out the clock. If they'd been down
by four, instead of up by three, the rest of the second half would have
been *entirely* different.

Anyway, "couldda beens" and "shouldda beens" are rarely productive.  The
Jets played an excellent game, but their rookie quarterback still has a
few rough edges.  Within another game or two, I expect these will go
away.  I predict a good season for the Jets, despite the opening loss. 
A good game.
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From: i001804@disc.dla.mil (mary green)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: RE: When Walker fails (Re: If Walker should Fail.)_
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:02:52 GMT
Organization: Defense Industrial Supply Center, Philadelphia, Pa


>Terry Allen, Herschel's replacement in MN, was 12 carries for 140 yards.

Not bad but lets remember Allen did his against the Packer's defense, Walker
did his against the Saints.  The Saints number two against the run last year.

>Walker is not consistent enough to sustain long drives or come up with the 
>needed yardage on any given carry.  You'll see, the Eagles will tire of their
>sputtering offense (as they wait for Walker to break one) and Walker will end
>up on the sidelines complaining that he is not getting the ball enough.

Well with Cunningham, Byars, Sherman, Barnett, Williams, Dixon, Joseph and co.
I don't think the offense will rely just on Walker.  If he works out it's a
major bonus but if not will get by just like before.  Unlike Vikings managment
we didn't give away everything for one player and expect him to carry the
whole team.  

As far as comparing Walkers receiving yardage to that of Allens, see above
Cunningham has alot of receivers to chose from.  You can not compare the
Birds offense to the Vikings.  (Though I do like Rich G.  He grew up in my
neighborhood and I've met his father a number of times.  

Time will tell if Walker gets the job done.  But I have no problem with the
job he did in the first game or his attitude since.  Every time the media
asks him about his peformance on Sunday he simply states "It's in the past
and their still 15 games to go."

Bob S. 
Phila, Pa

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From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
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Subject: Re: Mark Bavarro
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:00:57 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <AHALL.92Sep8145707@slothrop.fmrco.com> ahall@fmrco.com (Andrew Hall) writes:
>> Stuff about Bavarro's knee injury & performance deleted.
>
>The stated reason --- which may be true --- was that a crippling injury was
>too likely even if he recovered enough to play.  I sure hope that the Browns
>doctors know what they are doing and are not putting the rest of Mark's life
>at risk.  
>
>Look at what football did to Joe Namath --- two knee replacements at his age!!
>He should have been told to quit by the Jets' doctors.
>

I believe Joe was told to retire. But even if he wasn't, there are a lot of
ex-nflers out there with permenant crippling injuries. I believe a study I
saw said somewhere around 40% of the ex-players have an injury that is
considered crippling (ie, limits some function of their body, most often
knee) and nearly 80% have daily aches and pain from their football injuries.

Still, most of those guys will keep playing until the injuries allow a
younger, less injured guy to replace them. After all, these guys are trained
from Pop Warner football on to play with pain.

Pain and injury go with sports. And when an athelete gets hurt, they try to
continue to compete at the level they were at prior to the injury. Is this
surprising? Only when the injured part doesn't work well enough are they
replaced. Very few get to make that decision themselves. Most are simply
told they can't do it and replaced.


Tom
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From: gonzo@mlb.semi.harris.com (John Goelz)
Subject: Henry Ellard Question?
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:35:35 GMT
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne  FL

Hey Rams fans, what happened to Ellard. How could he only have 2 catches
for the year. Is he hurt or is the offense that bad?

-john

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From: wsl1@cec1.wustl.edu (Wing Suen Lee)
Subject: Re: 49er/Bills
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:34:23 GMT


Cofer once again disappointed the 9'ers fans.  How difficult to kick

the damn ball?  Who is the backup safety?  I still think that Dana Hall

cannot be a starter.
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From: minor@rtsg.mot.com (Kevin Minor)
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:32:33 GMT

bggreenberg@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Brian Greenberg) writes:

|>        I'm really suprise  that I didn't see this discussion yet.  If you saw 
|>last nights game it is clear that the NFL needs instant replay back.  Not only
|>did the ref blow the call he screwed it up twice.  First of all, it was not
|>caught it was a trap.  And secondly, if  (a big if) it was caught  he was
|>certainly down  on contact.  Not only did this play give the Skins the much
|>needed momemtum  switch it also gave them a touchdown.  I do agree that replay
|>takes way too much time, but  I think it is a great addition to the game.


|>         I do however think that the NFL should do this allow each team to have
|>two calls looked at per half.  It must be a reasonable play so that they cannot
|>use them as time outs.  Also to avoid this only allow two time outs per team
|>per half.

|>What do you all think?

Well since you asked...
I have always thought that instant replay was a great thing and have
always been ticked at announcers need to apologize for the length of
time a replay takes. I much rather wait 2 minutes for a replay that 2
minutes watch the same damn commerical they just played at the last
break. And what makes it worse is that the TV network will show you the
replays anyways, so why not use them to make a desicion.

IMHO, watch NFL is more frustrating when fans of different teams watch 
their teams play... Fan #1: Well <NFL team X> wouldn't have won if the
refs made the right call... Fan #2 No <NFL team Y> would have won anyways...
The two fans go back and forth and never get it resolved.

IMHO, 2 minutes is not a long time to wait. And if it corrects one call,
it is worth it.

Instant replay has two problems:
1) They always called it experimental which meant that it gave TV
announcers the right to inject their opinion at every turn. They
should have made it a rule and left it at that.
2) Coordination with the whistle. Many times the right call could not have
been made even with replay because of a ref who blew the whistle too early.

I REALLY HATE it that they took away instant replay. It bothers me much
more that bad calls stand uncorrected than waiting 2 minutes...
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From: logan@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Richard Scott)
Subject: swamped
Summary: don't  read it then
Keywords: give me a break
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 04:50:03 GMT

Keep the updates coming.   For your unenlightened information there are
a hell of a lot more than 50 people who want to hear this stuff.  I am
in Australia and know far more than this number personally who are
interested.  There are many countries interested in the NFL apart from
your own self-centred one.  There are thousands of people out here who
would love to get up to date information.  We would gladly listen to the
radio if your networks would like to broadcast worldwide.  As they do
no, the posters of these scores should be highly commended, and your
selfish attitude deplored.

     For christs's sake why are you reading the news if you think there
is too much material here anyway?  

Why not just stick to your other media?  I presumed you did not realise
that people do exist outside the USA and would not get the scores for 2
days or more, otherwise.  Maybe you will rethink your stupid comments
now, all those who have said otherwise?   Feel free to flame me, of
course, which is likely to happen.  Why do you need to read this during
games anyway?  Why not just wait till afterwards when you can do the
amazingly difficult task of skipping articles?

How can there be too much traffic in a newsgroup?  You would be maoning
if there was none.  A facile comment, if there ever was one.  A waste of
bandwidth?  Please!  I was overjoyed to see scores posted as they became
available!  Keep up the good work!




-- 
Eric Clapton is God!
Mike Singletary, Walter Payton and Neal Anderson form the Holy Trinity
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Richard Scott (logan@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au)
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From: baxter@donald.cs.umn.edu (Stephenson Thomas)
Subject: Re: John Madden
Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities ACM
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 21:44:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.133742.21186@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>In article <88640@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>>John Madden is actually a good comentator, in my opinion.  He, having been
>>a former coach (and still in control of his wits ... unlike "the Genius")
>>knows the game really well and has provided great insight for me. However,
>>I still he looks like John Candy.
>
>I don't really mind him - he does an OK job.  I like a bit more humor that
>he usually does, but I do appreciate the way he sticks to the game on the
>field.  At least we never hear "When I was with the Raiders" all that much,
>unlike some other former coaches.
>-- 
>
>Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

Yeah, except when he focuses on players on his all-madden team ALL the time... For example, in the Vikings vs. Skins preseason game, he focused on Greg
Manusky, the only viking on the all-madden team, about 6 or 7 times, and got
out the chalkboard to illustrate manusky's play twice.  Really annoying, 
hearing about a relatively unknown special teams player.
From: tom@drutx.ATT.COM (MaddenTC)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Waiver Claims
Summary: Broncos, Chiefs, Kemp
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:46:44 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Denver

In article <1992Sep4.143945.26419@macc.wisc.edu>, heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
> 
> About 10 years ago the Packers claimed Keith Uecker from waivers when 
> he was let go by Denver.  Someone with the Broncos organization said 
> just what you say above - that there was a gentlemen's agreement not to 
> mess with other team's players.  (I believe it was Reeves but I'm not 
> sure.)
> 
> The Packers coach, Forrest Gregg, said that he didn't know about any 
> tactic agreement.  Never the less, I think there was one, at least to 
> some degree.
> 
> JGH

I was referring only to waiver claims taking place concurrent
with the final cuts. Keith Uecker was claimed in mid-season. As
I recall, he went on IR before the final cuts, and had to clear
waivers to be activated. You're right about Reeves' grousing and
Gregg's pleading ignorance of the "gentlemen's agreement". I
think the Broncos later lost TE Ron Egloff to the Chargers the
same way, at which point Reeves said he'd never again try to
activate someone through waivers during the season. 

And going way, *way* back, isn't that how Jack Kemp wound up in
Buffalo? Premier quarterback, San Diego (or were they still in
LA?) exposes him to irrevocable waivers, Lou Saban (I think)
claims him for the Bills and gets lots of folks in the AFL
thoroughly upset. (Hmmm - what would have become of Kemp's
political career had he stayed in CA?? Sorry, wrong newsgroup!)

I recall the "gentlemen's agreement" coming into play *publicly*
only once. Hank Stram exposed one of KC's offensive linemen (Mo
Moorman?) to irrevocable waivers back in the 70's. NE claimed
him, but magnanimously sent him back to the Chiefs for a second
or third round draft choice. The Pat's GM was roundly praised as
a real gentleman, as the player in question was one of the top
OL's in the league.

Tom "those who forget the past are condemned to relive it" Madden
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AT&T Bell Laboratories                                
11900 North Pecos St.                              
Denver, CO 80234               These are my opinions only!! 

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From: thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews)
Subject: Okoye??
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:04:22 GMT

Can anyone tell my why Christian Okoye did not play against the Chargers?

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From: kmews@minnie.imd.nrc.ca
Subject: Re: So how did the Bucs-Cards game look?
Organization: NRC - Institute for Marine Dynamics
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:56:52 GMT

> 
> God I hope this isn't another disastrous year.
> 
I was more optimistic heading into this season than I have been in 
quite a few years. It's a very disappointing start. With the Eagles
coming up, we could be 0-2 right quick.

Keith Mews

From: keithg@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 08:59:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Call for Football Jokes...
Organization: work
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>/ hpdmd48:rec.sport.football.pro / dward@scf.nmsu.edu (Dan Ward) /  8:40 pm  Sep  7, 1992 /
>    The Bronco/Raider game last night was something else...what?


>    I think I heard one of the announcers make the comment that 
>    "John Elway has won more games than any other QB in the history
>    of football..."  Did I hear right?  If so, does anyone know if the
>    announcer was correct?     
>        Thanks, Dan
>----------


	One of the announcers probably did say that, but they
	said a lot of other things that were way off the mark.
	He might have been referring to comeback wins. I don't
	remember either announcer's name, but they were both talking
	out their asses all night.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From: melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill)
Subject: Re: VIKES KICK PACKERS!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:28:41 GMT

In article <18jmaiINNq3g@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> mjb10@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael J. Bumbulis) writes:
>
>In a previous article, melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill) says:
>>	Yea, usally they do play pretty badly against the Pack, just 
>>	dont know what it is, but they usally dont play very well against
>>	Barry either. Last year they lost becuase he ran over, through, under
>>	and everything else against them. Hopefully this sunday they will
>>	stop him.
>>
>>	Mark Gresbach
>
>
>What about this new Linebacker, Del Rio.  Can anyone fill me in on this guy?
>And where did Browner go? 
> 

	Jack Del Rio is a Plan B acq. from Dallas. I'm not sure if he was a
	pro-bowler or not, but I bet the Dallas fans are sad to see him go.
	I was glad the Vikes picked him up. Browner was cut in the preseason
	and I believe he signed with Tampa bay.

	Mark
	GO VIKINGS!

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From: rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez)
Subject: Re: NFL Announcers
Keywords: eat more moose
Organization: The Hosequarium South
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:45:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.163258.8862@europa.asd.contel.com>, ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley) writes:
|> 
|> I can't wait for ESPN to begin coverage in November ... I really like the
|> call of Mike Patrick ... mixes it up well.
|> 

Maybe, but Joe Theismann (sp) is one of the biggest cheeseheads
of them all when it comes to color.

enough of this, LET's TALK FOOTBALL.

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From: O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Doug Miller)
Subject: Re: Fantasy Football
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 06:04:49 GMT

  I found the best way to get cheap info is on ESPN, NFL Gameday, or the
USA Today next morn. My team is 0-2, and got destroyed, I MEAN DESTROYED,
both weeks. First week 86-25, this weeks totals I don't have yet but my
opponents QB's were Aikman and Cunningham.I have had the most horrendous
luck with this team. I need help please!!! I'm not kidding, if anybody can
help, it would be appreciated. Here it is;
 
QB- Mark Rypien
    John Elway
    Dave Krieg
    Bernie Kosar
 
RB- Christian Okoye
    Rickey Watters
    Vince Workman
    Reggie Cobb
    Brad Muster
    Barry Word
    Brad Baxter
    Merril Hoge
 
WR- Jerry Rice
    Andre Rison
    Chris Carter
    Tim Brown
    Wendell Davis
    Mark Carrier
    Bill Brooks
    Brian Blades
 K- Nick Lowery
    Morten Anderson
 
Def- Washington Redskins
 
   This is my first year doing this but I think I had a good draft, but
Jerry Rice has not gotten a 100 yards yet, Okoye gained about 65 and
Rison has had 20 some. These are three of my top four picks. Is this bad
luck, are holdouts killing me, are these guys fading or what
 
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From: wlittle@nmsu.edu (Wes)
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:45:09 GMT

I saw on ESPN the other night that so far the NFL game is actually
longer now then when Instant Replay was in effect.  By like 5 or 6
minutes.  The average game last year was 2 hrs 58 minutes and so far
this year(I know it is early) the games are like 3 hrs 3 minutes+....
Just a thought.  I personally think instant replay should return but
it would need to be implemented better so as to not get all these
inconlusive calls that are obvious to the viewer at home...

Go COWBOYS!!
Wes
From: c1h3384@rigel.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: JETS 15-1 this season or kill me
Date: 14 Sep 1992 22:05:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep11.140051.3838@spcvxb.spc.edu>, 2pereira_f@spcvxb.spc.edu writes...
>Hi out there all you football fanatics......
> 
>I just wanted to say that if the JETS play like they did against the 
>FALCONS on Saturday...the first quarter that is....I will burn my 
>season tickets.....
>or sell them........
> 
>GO JETS!!!!!
>------> Please don't lose another game like that !!!!!
> 
>JETS   15 - 1
>BUFFALO 10 - 6
>MIAMI  10 -6
>-----------
>Final Standing for top 3 teams at end of season....(ah let me dream a little)
> 
> 
>bye,
>" Frustrated Jets fan!"
>seee ys,

You are dead now, period.
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From: sh666@selway.umt.edu (Wolverine)
Subject: Madden sucks
Organization: University of Montana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:53:02 GMT

How many of you out there think that Madden is the WORST football announcer
on the face of the planet...  Here are a few of his classic quotes..

'They don't want to get an interception at this stage of the game'
Excuse me?  I wasn't aware that ANY team EVER wanted an interception
at any point during a game...

'They have to put some points on the board....'
Again!  Madden astounds us with his excellent grasp of the obvious.

I could go on for years.. I was wondering how many people agree with me.
I won't even metion last weeks game when he was pointing out people who
knew how to have a tailgate party and those who didn't.  Oh well..

							W O L V E R I N E
From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Haley back to form? *NOT*
Date: 15 Sep 1992 22:46:08 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <1992Sep15.214217.4885@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> blah@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov (TWF) writes:
>>
>>
>>The SF Chronicle not reputable?? I can't believe that.
>>My deepest apologies.
>>By the way, has Charles urinated on any of the Cowboy's
>>cars yet?
>>

No, but too bad that he did do that to some 49'ers BWM while in San
Francisco.  Just because he hasn't turned bad yet doesn't mean he
wont, but I am hoping that once inside the loving JJ confines :) he
will reform into a model citizen (or at least someone who doesn't bite
the heads off chickens and howls at his teammates).  Only time will
tell as to his effect on the emotional well being of the team, but his
ability and recovery from the injury are not in question.  He has
already improved the Cowboys pass rush twofold, and that is without
Tony Tolbert at full speed and without Maryland to help him out.  All
I want to see is a normal, 2 sack a game or more, pass rush and I will
be ecstatic over Haley's arrival....

(that is if he doesn't shoot coach Wannstedt or swallow the fuzzy dice
off Mike Saxon's golfcart)

*ice*

:)


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