From: smir+@CS.CMU.EDU (Yury Smirnov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Liberal Moscow daily attacked by f...
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:16:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Bw85CF.58q.1
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

In article <1992Oct15.235517.1@acad3.alaska.edu>, ftsam@acad3.alaska.edu (Sergei Maurits) writes:
|> In article <IGOR.92Oct14011000@krishna.cs.columbia.edu>, igor@cs.columbia.edu
|>  (Igor Pankevich) writes following S.Maurits posting:
|> 
|> SM:
|> 
|> >> ... The minor political episod opposed to it is nothing but desperate attempt
|> >>of both sides to attract some more attention. Sort of political advertisement.
|> >>It is a boring habit now for all "parties" accounting up to 50 members to make
|> >>some noise. The fact that Pamyat' has 5,000 or even 50,000 followers changes 
|> >              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >>nothing. The times when any demonstrations allowed by Central Committee and 
|> >  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >>organized by KGB really meant changes (or their absence) had passed. This is
|> >  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >>just information for these who didn't notice it and continue to apply ten
|> >>years' old standards. IRA activity in London is criminal chronicle and nothing
|> >>more. Why one must pay more attention to similar level events in Moscow?   
|> 
|> 
|> IP:
|> 
|> > 
|> > Well, do you remember ( I mean, have you heard and remember ) how the
|> > Nazi came to power in Germany? Everybody was laughing at them till
|> > they actually seized the power and began to rule the country. And then
|> > - "nikto i ne piknul" (in English, anybody?). Well, there were some
|> > anty-facists there, but _they_ didn't change anything. And the example
|> > of IRA doesn't prove anything: Britain is the country where democracy
|> > has won long ago (though not formally :-), and Russia is just a
|> > country with a suitable place for the next, new Reich to grow roots,
|> > and who would have thought? Of course, I am no Kassandra, but I think
|> > that such facist organizations as Pamyat' deserve a much closer
|> > attention than you suggest they do. As Mike Ratner put it (in
|> > different context, though), "better safe than sorry".
|> > 
|> > --Igor
|> 
|> Igor, I hate to continue never-end discussions where number of ">"-signes
|> substantially exeeds two, but in this case I couldn't help myself and resist
|> the temptation. The reason is I missed YOUR point to support MY case in the 
|> initial posting.
|> 
|> Serega, AK
|> 
   I absolutely confirm Serega's statement concerning multiple ">",
   but all this talk seems to be pure theoretical. 

   While being in Berlin on September 30, 90  I was the witness of bloody event.
   It was the last day of open German visa to Polish citizens and thousands of
   them rushed to Berlin. Every person was carrying 3-4 VCRs, 2-3 TVs and their
   sale price was 300-350 GM which is outstanding even for Germany. But a group
   of nazies in black clothes attacked that innocent polish crowd. They had
   metall sticks and even axes. Polishes didn't know what to do. Whether to
   drop VCRs and TVS and run away or still to keep them in their hands.

   I saw that three man were killed near my location, because they didn't wish
   to part from their expensive appliances !!! Next day Polish radio
   announced about 35 Polish men killed in Berlin. I saw only 50-70 nazies
   and it was quite enough. To speak theoretically and to be the witness is
   a big difference ( or two small as it is called in Odessa ).

   Yury.