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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: BR-Replicants and Pain
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 15:03:26 GMT

Doug Caprette says:

|> I keep bringing this up, but it never seems to get much attention.
|> The replicants were rated A, B, or C in regard totheir Mental *AND* 
|> Physical abilities. *ALL* of the renegade replicants were rated A 
|> for Physical.
|> If Deckard were a Physical B, wouldn't you expect them all to be able to
|> beat the shit out of him.

I keep ignoring this because it makes no sense that they would send
a replicant cop of physical B to handle replicants rated A. If it
wasn't for Roy Batty being so close to death that he decided to
spare Deckard, Deckard would have fallen to his death.

The whole 'Deckard is a replicant' concept is riddled full of such
inconsistencies. The amount of reading between the lines, twisting
the meaning of lines, the suspension of logical thought, etc. are
all required to establish that Deckard is a replicant.
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From: sprooney@unix1.tcd.ie (Simon Rooney)
Subject: Re: Naked lunch again
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:28:20 GMT

>> I don't suppose anyone could be bothered typing in the script of The
>> Naked Lunch could they? Especially the two brilliant monologues...
>> The Duke du Ventre, (aka Ssschlup!!)
>> and.
>> The asshole, (Reminds me of a couple of peeps I know)

> A lot of the dialogue comes from Burroughs books, mostly from (surprise, 
>surprise) "Naked Lunch" itself.

Yeah. Thought it might. I'm going to get NL as soon as I have the
money. What other books are worth reading? I've heard the book is
much better (ie. weirder) than the film. Are all his books like
that?
> 
>marlowe
MNSiuo
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From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies,rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Most SHOCKING film in my childhood
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:35:25
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
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	<1992Nov15.062014.18384@linus.mitre.org>
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In-reply-to: crawford@boole.mitre.org's message of Sun, 15 Nov 1992 06:20:14 GMT

crawford@boole.mitre.org (Randy Crawford) writes:
|>I suppose your answer to this question depends on your age.  What movies
|>were playing when you were 8 or so?
|>
|>Personally, I was upset by the ending of "Old Yeller".

|Yup.  I came late to this discussion, but here are my nominees:

|The Wizard of Oz -- the witch threatens Dorothy and then her flying monkeys 
|carry Dorothy off where she watches the sands in the hourglass count down
|the moments before her death...

|Pinocchio -- Pinocchio is kidnapped.

|Dumbo -- Dumbo is taken from his mother.

|And of course, Bambi -- the forest fire scene and the death of Bambi's mother.

What a bunch of wusses.  The only upsetting movie I ever saw in my
childhood was _Yellow Submarine_.  Those bubbles that kept you from
moving... the blue meanies....

Really disturbed me when I was a kid.  Still not sure why....

--
Peace.
     "Carelessly planned projects take three times longer to complete
      than expected.  Carefully planned projects take four times
      longer to complete than expected, mostly because the planners
      expect their planning to reduce the time it takes."
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-

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From: cam@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au (Cameron Newham)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Prophecy in Highlander
Distribution: world
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 14:40:53 GMT
Organization: Baldrick Fan Club
Reply-To: cam@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au


In article <83396@ut-emx.uucp> aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu writes:

 > Slightly off-topic here, but has anyone ever attempted to deduce where the
 > Prophecy of the Immortals originated (assuming HL2 is discounted)?  How
 > did they know they'd all be "drawn" to a new city in a far-away land
 > (or whatever Connery says at the start of Highlander)?  Perhaps the immortals
 > do answer to someone...  Someone who foresaw the building of New York...
 > 

IMHO, some of the Immortals may have been aware of their purpose and the
"rules" (holy ground, the distant land, etc) from when they were born.
MacCloud didn't seem to realise he was immortal until he was shown by
Ramirez.  Others might have varied in how much they "knew" from birth.

BTW, I haven't seen H2 and I don't intend to.  As far as I'm concerned,
H1 is canon, H2 is not (from what I've read).  If there is a H3, I'd
prefer to see a story using the same ideas from H1 but with different
characters and set in a different time.  More details on how many
Immortals there were and other detail would be interesting, no?

- cameron.

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From: tomboy@netcom.com (Thomas Miller)
Subject: Re: bram stoker's dracula
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:55:44 GMT

I agree that Dracula was indeed overwhelmingly visual, but I beg to differ with
the idea that it's "lack of horror" was a strike against the film.  I don't knowthat the premise of the film was to be horrific, but to tell a story of a unu-  sual love, which I feel was very effective.




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From: gbradley@uks240.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies,rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Most SHOCKING film in my childhood
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:11:28 GMT
Reply-To: gbradley@uks240.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)
Followup-To: alt.cult-movies

jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Duner) WRITES...

>  The two most shocking movies of my childhood would have to be THE
EXORCIST and
>  AMITYVILLE (sp?) HORROR.  I must have been about 8 yr. old.  After both 
>  movies I got up from my chair and my legs were shaking so much I had to sit
>  down.  Then of course Dad had to carry me up to bed.  :)

    You must have had a weird childhood, as I believe those films were
made at least 7 years apart! :-) For REAL scares, forget the very drab
"Amityville Horror" film, read the book instead (by Jay Aston, I think,
but it has been a long time).

+---------------------+------------------------------------------+
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| ORACLE Corp, UK     |                  you're f*cked forever!" |
| Edinburgh, SCOTLAND |        - Frank Booth ("Blue Velvet")     |
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From: tfisher@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Tom Fisher)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Roman Polanski
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:50:13 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

> What are the movies made by Roman Polanski in the 80's? I know about 'Frantic',
> 'Pirates'(?) and the recent 'Bitter Moon'. Any others?
> 
Chinatown (might have been in the 70's)
Tess

Tom
From: otto@jybox.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Mark Twain??? Name This Movie
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 07:43:05 EET
Organization: Jyvaskyla Electronic Mailbox

kilgore@wuntvor.pillar.com (Stan Hall) writes:

>      It is an animated movie (claymation type thing) with Mark Twain
>      as the lead character.  As I have seen bits of it I really could
>      not tell you what the plot is.

Sounds like "The Adventures of Mark Twain", produced by the Claymation(tm)
people.  Sorry, I don't seem to be able to find the tape now...

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From: upham@cs.ubc.ca (Derek Upham)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Woo's "The Killer" out on US video
Date: 18 Nov 1992 15:42:36 -0800
Organization: Raven's Auto Body Repair Shop, Mega-Tokyo.
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Daniel Read <dr3u+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>I don't know about the chronology, but Chow Yun Fat is not primarily an
>action film star.  At least half of his films are romantic comedies. 
>That's why I compared him to Cary Grant.  

I recall reading (somewhere) that Woo had seen and was impressed by
Chow's performance in "An Autumn's Tale"---which is about much of an
action role as Andy Lau's role in "Days of Being Wild" (i.e., hardly
an action role at all).  This was 1983?  Something like that.

From browsing in various laserdisc stores, it looks like his romantic
comedies come out to be a bit less than half.  One-third, perhaps.
(Maybe I've been looking at skewed samples.)  His sense of comedic
timing is pretty good, but he has a slight tendency to mug.

Derek

-- 
Derek Lynn Upham                               University of British Columbia
upham@cs.ubc.ca                                   Computer Science Department
=============================================================================
"Ha!  Your Leaping Tiger Kung Fu is no match for my Frightened Piglet Style!"
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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Film Threat Magazine
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 00:18:02 GMT
Organization: Usenet Power Elite: Crush-The-Innocent-Newbies Strike Team

jrm@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Jeff Mason) writes:

> Does anyone regularly read this magazine?  What kind of comments/
> observations do you have? 

The magazine has an unbearably annoying editorial attitude, and it lost
its focus when Larry Flynt bought it and the money started rolling in.
Most of the substance is drowned out by the shininess of the pages.
(But I still read it pretty regularly.)

'Film Threat Video Guide' is much meatier, with lots more hardcore
underground/ guerilla film coverage.  I'd go without FT before I'd go
without FTVG. 

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
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From: jharrel@domo.claremont.edu (John Harrelson)
Subject: IDENTIFY+Locate
Keywords: two too obscure
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:50:57 GMT


I was just passing through, when it occured to me that you all might be able to  
help locate and ID a couple of things...
First, a film that I saw once, double-feature opener... circa 1970 [but it  
could'a been '67 or '73]...In English ...narrative goes like this: 

	Paris...Louvre, ca.1912(?)... pre-spinster art student admiring  
collection...spotted by (much) younger artist [?who is doing style/copies?]...  
he follows her out... acts silly, makes frivolous advances...(GAP) They move in  
together in basement room adjacent to train depot... much poverty (Gap) He gets  
a chance to do show... steals marble monument from cemetary to sculpt.... Okay  
that's all I recall....
Now, name this film!!!!

	NEXT, Can someone confirm a film, ca.1969-71 "Elevator Girls in  
Bondage" complete with Gila monsters rising from San Francisco Bay...?

		Any info is appreciated...

			John H.
			jharrel@pitvax.claremont.edu
Organization: Engineering and Public Policy, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:06:24 -0500 
From: Daniel Read <dr3u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Woo's "The Killer" out on US video
 s.umn.edu> <Yf213PK00Uh_85K48x@andrew.cmu.edu> 	<1992Nov17.111357.20530@yang.earlham.edu> <sf2N5B_00WBMM7mzwB@andrew.cmu.edu>
	<1eekddINN1nf@pacific.cs.ubc.ca>

Derek Upham says:
 
>I recall reading (somewhere) that Woo had seen and was impressed by
>Chow's performance in "An Autumn's Tale"---which is about much of an
>action role as Andy Lau's role in "Days of Being Wild" (i.e., hardly
>an action role at all).  This was 1983?  Something like that.

I watched AN AUTUMN'S TALE just last weekend.  I thought it was very
good, although the story resolved itself in the "bittersweet" way of
(apparently) all HK romantic comedies.  (I suppose that's not a valid
complaint -- might as well complain about the happy endings of screwball
comedies).  This is about a  Chinese immigrant in New York (Chow)  and
his rather tentative relationship with his cousin (Sylvia Chang) who is
attending college in the U.S.  Low key and  charming.  

DAYS OF BEING WILD is one of my favourite HK films.  Although there is a
small amount of violence, its focus is on a young man (Leslie Cheung)
who is unable to develop meaningful relationships because he was
abandoned by his mother when he was a child.  After destroying two
promising relationships he goes to the Phillipines to find his mother,
where things don't work out as expected.  Although the  plot is a bit of
sub-Freud, it is surprisingly believable.  The writer/director (Wong Ka
Fai) made another film called (I believe) AS TEARS GO BY and, according
to Variety, wrote SAVIOUR OF THE SOUL.

daniel

Has anyone seen AS TEARS GO BY?  I think it stars Andy Lau and Jackie
Cheung, and could well be available under a different title.


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From: donnell@starfish.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: Fatal Attraction and Play Misty For Me
Organization: none
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:09:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.163635.5593@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> danny@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Danny Graham) writes:
>shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
>
>
>>If you get a chance, watch these 2 movies back to back, and you'll
>>see just how much Fatal Attraction borrows from Play Misty For Me.
>>In fact you could almost call it a remake ...
>
>Very true - And forgeting my dislike of Glen Close temporarily, I still
>think that Clint Eastwood's "Play Misty For Me" is the better film - really
>very good.
>
>Danny

After all the discussion of this, I watched "Play Misty For Me" again,
and was most impressed. Except that Eastwood was still in his "acting
like a bag of sand" period. Still, excellent film, and definately a major
influence on Fatal Attraction and others.
<IMHO>
					--Judex--

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From: BECKSA@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090
Subject: (None set)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:18:05 GMT
Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom

Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: HK video reviews
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:56:25 GMT

the one armed swordsman isnt bad either. the second one .. the return of .. 
was a disappointment.

---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
---------------------------------------------------------------		
 I understand you need someone to do work.
 I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
    -Vladimir Taltos
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From: tsolis@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Godspell...the movie
Organization: Clark University
Date: 23 NOV 92 21:10:34 GMT

I have been trying to find a copy of this film and have not been able to find
it anywhere.  I have been informed that it is no longer in print.  I was
wondering if there is anyone out there who might have a copy of it or know
where I can get my hands on one.  I have to see this.  It would be really cool
if someone could make a copy for me...I will reimburse for expenses.  Please
reply...

Theresa
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: mgrimes@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael Grimes)
Subject: Hercules in the Haunted World
Keywords: Italian muscleman, peplum, sword and sandal films
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:27:34 GMT


For fans of this underrated genre, there is a new book that lists many of these
Sword and Sandal films:  EPIC FILMS  Casts, credits and Commentary on Over 250
Historical Spectacle Movies, by Gary A. Smith.  Smith has some funny and 
accurate commentary on all these films.

(Monsieur Judex: Pardon my personal footnote here, but I can'

t find your e-mail address. I have good news and apologies for my delay!
But all is well. Please e-mail me regarding this genre!)
Yours humbly and gratefully,

Mario Bava
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From: twod@socrates.demon.co.uk (Ian Parkin)
Subject: Asian Films In UK
Distribution: world
Organization: Horrendous Happenings Ltd.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 13:15:54 +0000

	Film Exteremes, Eastern Heroes, and Imaginator present ...

	Venue : Scala Cinema, Kings Cross, London, UK.
	Date  : 6th December 1992

	Films : A Chinese Ghost Story ( Part I )
		Trailer Show ( Excerpts from : Saviour Of The Soul, Tiger 
				Cage 2, Panty Hose Hero, Spook Encounters 2,
				Nobody's Hero, Seven Warriors, Nocturnal Demon,
				Magic Cop, plus many more )
		A Chinese Ghost Story Part III ( UK premier )
		Once A Thief ( UK premier )

	Info  : All films uncut, with subtitles.
		Merchandise & official HK videos on sale
		Doors open 12 noon

	Cost  : 5 pounds sterling in advance
			- Cheques payable to 'Film Extremes', 
				PO Box 409, London, SE18 3DW
		6 pounds sterling ( collect on the door ), phone The Scala
			on 071-278-8052 ( UK +44 71 278 8052 )
		7 pounds sterling on the door

	Please note that I do not have any connection with any organisation
	mentioned. I am posting this for information only.

IAP
--
Ian Parkin, twod@socrates.demon.co.uk
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Subject: Re: BladeRunner: the final irony
From: system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 10:17:06 NZST
Organization: The Code Works Limited, PO Box 10 155, Auckland, New Zealand

pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe) writes:

>  Who cares? Virtual memory, real memory, the distinction is 
> academic...maybe if the Replicants were given standard memories (super 
> novas? Why would anyone give a robotic slave memories like that?), their 
> unique perceptions of those memories would be lost. As they say, same 
> difference.
>  
There IS a difference. IF the memories are virtual, then they are NOT 
lost for all time. If they were things they saw for themselves, they 
are lost. And remember how upset Sarek was when he thought that the 
collective wisdom and experiences of Spock were lost for ever. [Which 
as well all know is a very long time].

As to why anyone would give a robot [and these are more than robots] 
memories of pretty supernovas, etc. One possible explanation: They get 
a copy from another replicant / unit / person / whatever, with the 
particualr knowledge, experience that the replicants are supposed to 
get, and these other memories just come along for the ride.


-- 
  Wayne McDougall, BCNU
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From: ballard@adlibv.adelphi.edu (Terry Ballard)
Subject: Eskimo Nell
Organization: Adelphi University Swirbul Library
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:56:57 GMT

   Does anybody else remember seeing this incredible little film?  I think 
it came out in the 1970's from Britain.  It's about a starving director who 
gets funding to make a movie from a variety of unsavory sources, and ends up 
making several films with the same title to make everybody happy.  The 
funnies thing is that it stars Christopher Timothy of James Herriot fame who 
is hired as a scriptwriter for the porno film, even though he'd rather sit 
at home reading about penguins.
               
                                                    Terry Ballard
From: dutkowsk5111@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Hardware Wars!!
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:11:53 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Hi,
  Does anybody remember the little "Showtime Short" called "Hardware Wars"??
 I think I saw it on HBO and Showtime in the early 80's befween flicks.  If
Anyone remembers this, E-mail me.  If anyone has a transcript of it ,Please
e-mail it to be.

                           Oggie Ben Doggie
From: jmv@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Jean-Marc Vezien)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: bram stoker's dracula
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:04:25 GMT
Organization: GRASP Lab


Well, I laughed a couple of time, but references to AIDS 
were really too obvious.
The line:


"We shall still be able to save her immortal soul....
 but not with an empty stomach"


was pretty good.


Apart from that, we'll forget this movie rapidly.


JM.
From: upham@cs.ubc.ca (Derek Upham)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: HK plots wanted
Date: 23 Nov 1992 11:32:37 -0800
Organization: Raven's Auto Body Repair Shop, Mega-Tokyo.
NNTP-Posting-Host: pacific.cs.ubc.ca

shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
>Can someone help me out with plot summaries for the following :

>City on Fire
Chow Yun Fat is an undercover cop who hates his job wants to get out
of the police force.  His uncle convinces him to take one last case.

>Zu Warriors From the Magic Mountain
Has very little plot, really.  Stars Yuen Baio as a young soldier who
gets mixed up in an attempt to stop a Blood Monster.  Also stars
Brigitte Lin (Lin Qingxia) as a priestess.

>Encounters of the Spooky Kind (Ghost Strike Ghost)
Stars Samho Hong.  Hong is an apprentice priest whose girlfriend is
being seduced by a rich jerk.  Hong teams up with a cute ghost to scam
the jerk into pauperdom.  Also stars that ubiquitous One-Eyebrow
Priest guy (as a priest, of course) and Wo Ma (ACGS, as Yen) as a
witch doctor.

>I Love Maria (Roboforce)
>   - Stars Sally Yeh. Directed by Tsui Hark
Also stars John Sham and Tsui Hark.  A group of criminals design two
robots to help commit their crimes.  The second one looks very much
like the Bitch-Queen crime boss.  Sham and Hark find themselves swept
up into stopping the gang.

>Yes Madam !
>   - Starring Cynthia Rothrock
Rothrock teams up with a HK female cop to bring a crooked businessman
to justice.  Also stars John Sham and co-stars Tsui Hark.

Derek

-- 
Derek Lynn Upham                               University of British Columbia
upham@cs.ubc.ca                                   Computer Science Department
=============================================================================
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From: an314@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Timothy Golobic)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: More on Bladerunner...(another book available)
Date: 23 Nov 1992 23:26:02 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an314@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Timothy Golobic)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, angel@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu () says:

>And, to respond to the question from Michael Wojcik of UPenn, which was: "Is
>there a logically ordered, edited, rewriten (sic) paper based on the IDAR?
>thread?"  The answer is YES!!  Read the book!!!


there is also a book titled "Retrofitting Bladerunner: something somethin 
something" aouthored by Edith something, sorry i can't be of more help.
anyways, it's a collection of essays from various people that comment on
relationships between film and book, as well as many other things
like choice of music, setting, theme, etc.

    
-- 
tgolobic@ucs.indiana.edu        Timothy Golobic             an314@po.cwru.edu
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You know I took the poison, from the poison stream, and I floated, out of here.
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