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From: clements@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: Underproduction of scientists and engineers
Date: 8 Oct 92 10:22:01 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <BvrHzq.46v@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v128nkej@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN PAST,PRESENT AND FUTURE IS ONLY ILLUSION,HOWEVER PERSISTENT...) writes:
> 
> 	Strange as it may seem, the need for lawyers is going to increase
> by 70% by the year 2000  (Career Futures-Magazine), the fact that there
> are more lawyers in law school right now, than there are practicing lawyers
> leads people to believe that there is a glut.  Many lawyers leave or never
> even go into the practice of law.  They teach, go into politics or 
> go into adminstration.  I know at my university alone, the top people in the
> admin. all have law degrees.
> 
> 		James

Do they give any reason for why there need to be more lawyers in the US?

I have been told that a study has shown that GNP increases by 3% for each 1% of
extra engineers a country produces, but decreases by 1.5% for each 1% or extra
lawyers. I guess then that the US economy is going to continue its decline...

The prevalence of lawyers in administration may also explain some of the
worst excesses of management...
                                                                       
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Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: don@helix.nih.gov (donald seto)
Subject: Re: Stipend taxation bill (update)
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 14:24:16 GMT

>>The end result of the tax has been to reduce the federal support for
>>research.   Removing the tax would stop the waste of bleeding off
>>money which should be going into research.
>>
>>cln
>>
>I'm not sure I get your point, but it sounds like you may be saying that
>since grad students are funded by the US gov't they shouldn't pay taxes
>because that just creates paperwork, i.e. pay them less, don't make them
>pay taxes, and save some gov't overhead.  The problem I have with this is
>that by that reasoning, ALL Gov't workers should be tax exempt.
>
>Mike
>
the point is that most grad students are paid off grants, at least in
biology, which are competitively requested, not always funded, and
inclusive of all spending..whether to buy a chemical or to pay for
a grad student.  therefore money has to be shifted around--sometimes,
illegally, from a different category.
so, the point is you write for research money and you buy less because now
you have to put more into the stipend..of course you could request for
more grad student support, but you don't always get it.

then again, from grad school thru post doc'ing, this is all considered
a STIPEND, NOT a "real" job...therefore the US, not most of europe,
considers the small chunk of money as a training bribe...however, thanks,
to reagan, under whose administration the grad students' stipend began to
be fair game for taxes, since they consider the money to be wages..
think about it, 4000-6000 for someone with a BA/BS???? 16000-24000
for someone with a PhD???  And many of them work 6-7 days, 10 + hours.

Oh, the govt workers have "real" jobs...they can get loans from banks
to buy houses also credit cards in the pre-70's era when credit wasn't
so freely handed out (card-wise).  grad students couldn't.

well, if you give a grad student 16,000-24,000 now as a "real" job, then
yes this should be taxed,  if you give them 4000- 6000 then it shouldn't be
taxed.
.
  

Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: dianne@dianne.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Dianne Ferrans )
Subject: What to do with a Math BS?
Keywords: moving on....
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:22:50 GMT

Hey!

I have a BS in computational math and have been employed 4 years
as a computer analyst.  However, I'm beginning to get bored with
this job, and also am having pain in my hands (shades of carpal-tunnel)
SO, being a pro-actionary rather than re-actionary, was wondering

1.  What types of degrees could I build on top of a math degree that
     would start me at a decent pay scale? (I don't like engineering,
     worked for GM 3 years as a co-op and it was terrible) Don't think
    I'm  into teaching.  

Anyone got any addresses I could write to to get info on Actuarial
Sciences, Psychology, or ??????

Anyone else left computers due to hand problems, and if so, where are
you now?

write: dianne@dianne.b24b.ingr.com

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I regret I wasn't born with opposable toes."

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Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee)
Subject: Re: Stipend taxation bill (update)
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:28:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.195608.5911@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> andersmh@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (ANDERSON  MIKE HOWARD) writes:
>... but it sounds like you may be saying that
>since grad students are funded by the US gov't they shouldn't pay taxes
>because that just creates paperwork, i.e. pay them less, don't make them
>pay taxes, and save some gov't overhead.  The problem I have with this is
>that by that reasoning, ALL Gov't workers should be tax exempt.
>Mike

  The problem with your argument, Mike, is that it's only
true if all govt workers at the same salary level are 
taxable at the same level.   Suppose A and B have the same
govt jobs and make the same amount.  But suppose A is 
single, has no savings or real-estate whereas B is married
and has a large mortgage.    According to current tax 
laws, A and B owe different amounts of tax even though they
make the same govt salary.
 BTW, I think grad students should be taxed like everyone
else.   I also suspect that if students were not taxed, 
grad schools would lower students' stipends accordingly.

  

Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: andersmh@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (ANDERSON  MIKE HOWARD)
Subject: Re: Stipend taxation bill (update)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:56:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.154435.25051@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> cln@iris3.chem.fsu.edu (Chris North) writes:
>
>  I think you people have missed the point here.  This is not about incentives
>or whether someone deserves a break.   This is about the amount of money that
>the government spends to support research.
>
>  The money for research assistants and teaching assistants comes from
>the grant money which universities get for research from the government.
>When the they tax this money, they are in effect just putting money in
>one end and taking it out the other.  And dilluting the money through an
>enormous amount of expensive paperwork in the process.
>
>When the tax was initiated, the institutions had to increase the amount 
>of support to make up the difference in order to avert a morale
>disaster.
>The end result of the tax has been to reduce the federal support for
>research.   Removing the tax would stop the waste of bleeding off
>money which should be going into research.
>
>cln
>
I'm not sure I get your point, but it sounds like you may be saying that
since grad students are funded by the US gov't they shouldn't pay taxes
because that just creates paperwork, i.e. pay them less, don't make them
pay taxes, and save some gov't overhead.  The problem I have with this is
that by that reasoning, ALL Gov't workers should be tax exempt.

Mike
From: ard@tid.es (Antonio Ruiz Delgado)
Subject: taxes on PhD grants in UK
Reply-To: ard@tid.es
Organization: Telefonica I+D
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:17:10 GMT

Hello, 

Does anybody know if PhD grants are tax free in the UK ??
I have managed to get a research bursary from the European Comission to
study for a PhD in UK and I have no idea of tax regulations in that
country. 

I have been told that post grad grants given by british institutions are
tax free but I do not know if it is the same with EC grants. 

If anybody knows something, please let me know.

###########################################################
Antonio Ruiz Delgado 
ard@tid.es
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From: elkordy@acsu.buffalo.edu (Mohamed Elkordy)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Carrer as a DENTIST:  How is the Job Market ?!! Any good ?!!
Summary: Carrer as a DENTIST:  How is the job market ?!! Any good ?!!
Keywords: Carrer as a DENTIST: How is the Job Market ?!! Any good ?!!!
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:26:57 GMT
Organization: UB

I am really interested in knowing two very particular statistics:

  How many applications per job for fresh graduates ?!!!  is it in hundereds
  as in case of engineers ?!! or there are many vacant jobs waiting for 
  somebody to fill them as with Medical Doctors ?!!!

  How much is the average starting salary ?!!! 

Any other information will be greatly appreciated.  I would also be interested
in knowing how demanding are the dental schools ?!! and how much knowledge
of Biology and Chemistery do you "REALLY" need to have ?!! Are the guide
lines for admissions are for real (two courses of Biology with lab would
suffice), Is it possible that you fail in getting the liscence after
graduation (assuming you are a good student) ?!! I heard there are some schools
with three years program ... are they any good ?! which ones are those ?! and
how can I get to know them ...

WOW ....  this is pretty much every single question one can ask about a carrer
......


SORRY ,


Any comment or pointers will be deeply appreciated ...


elkordy
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: eiverson@nmsu.edu (Eric Iverson)
Subject: Re: a second PhD ?
Organization: Computing Research Lab
	<EIVERSON.92Oct13233159@ithaka.nmsu.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 06:38:15 GMT

In article <EIVERSON.92Oct13233159@ithaka.nmsu.edu> eiverson@nmsu.edu (Eric Iverson) writes:

   I know a French prof who picked up a Juris Doctorate in his spare
   time.  I also had a neighbor who already had a PhD in Physics who was
   thinking of getting one in Ceramic Engineering.  He'd picked up his
   Physics PhD at the tender age of 21, so he had some time on his hands.

Oh, I might as well include my own situation.  I'm getting a second
Masters in CS (first one's in Linguistics)  While it is definitely
true that my Ling classes can't count toward my CS degree (no loss
there) for some bizarre reason they are added into my cumulative GPA.
I seriously doubt that this is done at other schools and is probably
YACOS (yet another case of stupidity) on the part of the NMSU
registrar.  It's kind of a drag since I seem to be doing better at CS
than at Linguistics.  I think actually reading the textbooks this time
might have something to do with that.



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From: primeaux@wham-o.cs.utk.edu (David Primeaux)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: a second PhD ?
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:35:45 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: primeaux@wham-o.cs.utk.edu (David Primeaux)
NNTP-Posting-Host: wham-o.cs.utk.edu

In article <1992Oct10.202027.18229@news.nd.edu>, rhd@umass.edu writes:
|> Is it possible for a university to accept someone into 
|> the Computer Science PhD program someone who already has 
|> received a PhD in Electrical Engineering (suppose his 
|> interest has shifted to CS from EE) ? 
|> 
|> Any opinion will be appreciated.  Please post.  Do not 
|> reply by email as my machine will be down shortly.
|> 
|> rhd.

I would imagine that it would be possible.  The only drawback
would seem to be that, generally, if you have "applied" the earned
credit from courses you have taken towards the degree(s) you have
already earned, credit for those courses cannot be "counted" again.
I say this is a drawback because there should (I imagine) be considerable
overlap between the courses offered/required for the EE and CS PhDs.

At the same time, I don't see why you would want two PhDs in such
closely related fields. Wouldn't a masters degree in CS, for example,
potentially fill any CS "gaps" you percieve in your CS knowledge?

I am working on my second PhD (first one in philosophy, this one in
CS).  There are some other grad students here with PhDs already
(two in physics, one in French) and there is a professor here who
has PhDs in both math and CS.  Good luck on whatever you decide to
do.

-- david
primeaux@cs.utk.edu

Xref: sparky sci.research.careers:1291 soc.culture.asian.american:9481
From: yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Taulbee Survey on CS Ph.D.'s
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:07:55
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
	<1992Oct7.232342.11554@tamsun.tamu.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: sartre.caisr.cwru.edu
In-reply-to: achin@math.tamu.edu's message of Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:23:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.232342.11554@tamsun.tamu.edu> achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:

>Table IV is particularly interesting:

>PhD Minority Status            Male     Female  Total
>-----------------------------------------------------
>White				 390         71    461
>Black                             5          2      7
>Hispanic                         18          1      7
>Asian                           242         30    272
>Other or Unknown                 94          9    103

>In typically racially ignorant fashion, no attempt is made to
>distinguish between Asian citizens and Asian-Americans.  Based on
>these numbers, my bet is that >>90% of the new PhD's listed as 
>"Asian" minorities are Asian citizens, and the relatively few 
>Asian-Americans are simply viewed as part of the "Asian 
>invasion" in CS.

Table V (Sex, Minority Status, and Citizenship of the CS Ph.D.'s since
1970) is equally irritating, with columns for women, blacks,
hispanics, and... foreign.  Typical numbers are:

	Women		Black		Hispanic	Foreign
88-89	87 (14%)	0 (0%)		6 (1%)		248 (40%)
89-90	97 (13%)	3 (0%)		8 (1%)		331 (45%)
90-91	113 (13%)	7 (1%)		19 (2%)		384 (45%)

The statistics on faculty members (Table XII) also ignore
Asian-Americans.  Given that a major point of this report is the
"depressing" and "abysmal" proportion of minority CS Ph.D.'s, one
would hope that future surveys will be more complete...
--
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yamauchi@alpha.ces.cwru.edu	Department of Computer Engineering and Science
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From: v128nkej@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN PAST,PRESENT AND FUTURE IS ONLY ILLUSION,HOWEVER PERSISTENT...)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: Underproduction of scientists and engineers
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:31:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

> 
>Regarding becoming an attorney or physician or school teacher. That's
>just what our husbands/wives and children want to hear: Honey, I'm
>going back to school, but now I'm not even going to get a stipend! And
>I have to pay tuition.  (Besides which, there is a huge lawyer glut).
>                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    
>--           
> 
>Disclaimer --- The government probably disagrees with my opinions.

	Strange as it may seem, the need for lawyers is going to increase
by 70% by the year 2000  (Career Futures-Magazine), the fact that there
are more lawyers in law school right now, than there are practicing lawyers
leads people to believe that there is a glut.  Many lawyers leave or never
even go into the practice of law.  They teach, go into politics or 
go into adminstration.  I know at my university alone, the top people in the
admin. all have law degrees.

		James
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: rhd@umass.edu
Subject: a second PhD ?
Followup-To: sci.research.career
Reply-To: (Please post, do not email).
Organization: Univ. Umass
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 20:20:27 GMT

Is it possible for a university to accept someone into 
the Computer Science PhD program someone who already has 
received a PhD in Electrical Engineering (suppose his 
interest has shifted to CS from EE) ? 

Any opinion will be appreciated.  Please post.  Do not 
reply by email as my machine will be down shortly.

rhd.
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelyn Aldridge)
Subject: Re: Young Scientists Network
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:09:14 GMT

lcarver@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Lucy Carver) writes:

>In the September 18 issue of Science in the Careers in Science section, they
>mention a BBS called the Young Scientists Network.  Could someone either post
>or e-mail me information on where to find this network and how to join.
>Thanks in advance.

>Lucy Carver
>lcarver@casbah.acns.nwu.edu


	Delighted to. Just recently there has been a modification of the
YSN system. There are now two lists, one moderated, one unmoderated. So you
can subscribe to both or the one you like best. 
	
I like YSN. 

	Oh yes....it's not a BBS. Its a mail list. The unmoderated articles
are sent out every day, the moderated articles are sent out once a week.

	Here are the instructions as I took them off the YSN letter
yesterday.

(a) 	mail -s "subscribe" ysn-request@zoyd.ee.washington.edu
	add both lists

(b)	mail -s "subscribe ysn" ysn-request@zoyd.ee.washington.edu
	add only the unmoderated list

(c)	mail -s "subscribe mod" ysn-request@zoyd.ee.washington.edu
	add only the moderted list

(d)	mail -s "unsubscribe" ysn@zoyd.ee.washington.edu
	unsubscribe completely

(e)	mail -s "cancel" ysn@zoyd.ee.washington.edu
	unsubscribe completely (same as (d) )

(f)	mail -s "unsubscribe mod" ysn@zoyd.ee.washington.edu
	unscubscribe from the moderated list

(g)	mail -s "unsubscribe ysn" ysn@zoyd.ee.washington.edu
	unsubscribe from the regular list only

So thats about it. Since this is the new system it might do to try it and
if it flubs, wait a day or two to try again. I haven't had to try it since
I was already on the list and was "grandfathered" in. 

	To post before one used the address ysn@zoyd.ee.washington.edu
and I think that is still the case.

	To contact a person write to ysn-adm@zoyd.ee.washington.edu

That's all folks, Jackie
From: ari@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ari Ollikainen)
Subject: Re: NIST address?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 23:26:39 GMT

National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST-DOM)
   Computer System Communication Division
   Technology, A151
   Gaithersburg, MD 20899

   Domain Name: NIST.GOV

   Administrative Contact:
      White, Steve  (SW82)  WHITE@ENH.NIST.GOV
      (301) 975-3824
   Technical Contact:
      Hunt, Craig W.  (CWH3)  Hunt@ENH.NIST.GOV
      (301) 975-3827 (FTS) 879-3827
   Zone Contact:
      Pelleu, Linda J.  (LJP20)  LJP@ENH.NIST.GOV
      (301) 975-3815 (FTS) 879-3815
From: rsherme@diamond.nswc.navy.mil (Russel Shermer (R43))
Newsgroups: sci.research
Subject: Delay in FYI's
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:07:30 GMT
Organization: NAVSWC DD White Oak Det.


Sorry the FYI's are late.  I've been away from the 'puter for a few
weeks.

	---Russ
From: rsherme@diamond.nswc.navy.mil (Russel Shermer (R43))
Newsgroups: sci.research
Subject: fyi# 133: Energy and Water Bill Conference Report:  Magnetic Fusion
Keywords: science, research, funding, congress, magnetic fusion.
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:32:42 GMT
Organization: NAVSWC DD White Oak Det.

Posted for:
Public Information Division
American Institute of Physics
Contact:  Audrey T. Leath
Phone: (202) 332-9662
Email:  fyi@aip.org



Energy and Water Bill Conference Report:  Magnetic Fusion

FYI No. 133, October 1, 1992

On September 24, both the House and the Senate approved the final
conference bill for fiscal year 1993 Energy and Water
Appropriations.  The bill now goes to the White House for the
President's signature, although a veto threat exists due to
provisions in the bill for a nine-month nuclear testing moratorium.

This FYI provides selected quotes from the Magnetic Fusion section
of House Conference Report 102-866, accompanying H.R. 5373, the
Energy and Water Bill.  See FYI #132 for conference report language
on the SSC, and future FYIs for High Energy and Nuclear Physics.

Magnetic Fusion:

FY 92 funding:                           $337,100,000
Administration request for FY 93:         359,710,000
House bill:                               339,710,000
Senate bill:                              335,000,000
Conference bill:                         $339,710,000

"The conferees provide $339,710,000 for the magnetic fusion
program.  The conferees direct the Department of Energy to apply
this reduction in a manner that is cost effective and least
disruptive to the mission and priorities of the magnetic fusion
program.

"The conferees note with approval the recent agreement to proceed
with the engineering design activity phase of the International
Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (ITER) [see FYI #96].  The
conferees provide funds to meet fully the U.S. commitment to ITER
and direct the Department to provide a plan for selection of a U.S.
candidate site for future construction of ITER.

"The conferees recognize the technical progress that has been
achieved in magnetic fusion energy here and abroad.  The conferees
direct the Department to assure that ITER, DT [deuterium-tritium
activities] in TFTR [the tokamak fusion test reactor at Princeton],
and the DIII-D program receive the highest funding priority within
the magnetic fusion program.  The conferees have also provided
funds for design work leading to a steady-state advanced tokamak
planned for operation as a national facility."

Funding for INERTIAL CONFINEMENT FUSION (ICF) is provided under
Atomic Energy Defense Activities.  The bill provides $212,310,000--
the amount recommended by both the House and the Senate, and
$17,310,000 greater than the Administration's request.  The
conference report provided very little information about how the
ICF funding is to be used, thus leaving the Senate report language
intact.  Readers should refer to FYI #109 for the text of Senate
Report 102-344 regarding Inertial Confinement Fusion.


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Public Information Division
American Institute of Physics
Contact:  Audrey T. Leath
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From: rsherme@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil (Russel Shermer)
Newsgroups: sci.research
Subject: Erratum to fyi #136
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:42:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: relay.1992Oct13.134239.28138
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center - White Oak

Posted for:
Public Information Division
American Institute of Physics
Contact:  Richard M. Jones
Phone: (202) 234-7058
Email: fyi@aip.org


TO:     FYI Readers
FROM:   Richard Jones
DATE:   October 12, 1992

RE:     FYI #136

Please correct the e-mail addresses for the National Science Board
Commission on the Future of the NSF that appeared in FYI#136.

Address mail to:

NSBCOMM@NSF.GOV (Internet)

NSBCOMM@NSF (Bitnet)

Thank you.