HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry)
Subject: Re: Wanna see some sprint car racing.
Keywords: dirt, sprint
Organization: Recom Technologies, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Distribution: ne
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:02:49 GMT


(Don't ask me how I got this here in California...)

Your best bet is to either check out the New York State dirt track
scene, in particular the Empire State Sprinter (ESS) series, or bite
the bullet and spend a weekend in Pennsylvania's Susquehanna Valley,
one of the true hotbeds of sprint car racing.

The closest track to Boston at which the WoO sprinters appear is
Lebanon Valley, 2 exits into the NYS Thruway.  And they only appear
once there, usually on a Monday (!) in early June.

 -- Chuck Fry  Chucko@charon.arc.nasa.gov
    Needing a methanol fume & clay fix myself...
From: bradley@reed.edu (Ben Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Driver-owned teams; are they the best?
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:08:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug18.230859.9497
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon

In article <1992Aug18.212205.15777@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>And of course don't forget that there were several owners/drivers
>in NASCAR, particular in the late 50's.  Coming to mind are Lee
>Petty, Ralph Moody (well, Holman-Moody), Cotton Owens - all with
>varying degrees of success.
>
>Unsuccessful, yet courageous owners/drivers in NASCAR:  J.D. McDuffie
>and Wendell Scott, to name but a few.
>
>Coming also to mind right now is Jim Derhaag who runs his own car in
>TransAm.  Holds the record for consecutive starts over a very long haul.
>I don't really believe he's had more than 1 career victory, if that.
>
>NHRA:  Kenny Bernstein, Don Prudhomme, Eddie Hill....and lots more.
>
>-c'ball-

Strikes me Alan Kulwicki has been doing pretty well for himself
of late...

Ben

-- 
Ben Bradley                                 Rally Drivers Do It Sideways!!
Reed College
Portland, OR                                RIP CITY!!!
bradley@reed.edu                            Wait Until Next Year
From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: land speed record
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:49:43 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Stuart Laing (Stuart_Laing@kcbbs.gen.nz) wrote:
: Ok guys if we are talking about records set in the 70's where does
: Richard Noble fit in as I remember that he broke some land speed record
: and don't he get a knighthood for it. Yes he is a Pom so that may be the
: reason you missed him out Cannonball.

Noble broke _the_ land speed record in Thrust 2 in about 83-ish (can't
remember the precise date).

He's waiting for someone to beat his record so he can go out and have another
go at it -- his words were something like ``the problem with being the best Land 
Speed Record team in the business is that as soon as you've broken the record 
you're obsolete''.

Anyone interested in the LSR should try to get hold of the excellent
book by Cyril Posthumus and David Tremayne, called simply ``Land Speed
Record''. Very good indeed. I bought my copy about 3-4 years ago, but I
haven't it anywhere since.

pete
-- 
*Peter Fenelon -- Research Associate -- Software Safety Assessment Procedures* 
Dept. of Computer Science, University of York, York, Y01 5DD (+44/0)904 433388 
EMAIL: pete@minster.york.ac.uk `There's no room for enigmas in built up areas'
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: rbanksjr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Richard E. Banks Jr.)
Subject: IndyCar tires
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 14:13:49 GMT


What are the front and rear widths of the tires used in IndyCar racing?

Is the same tire grading system used in Indycar as it is in F1? (A, B, C)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: mgaylord@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Gaylord)
Subject: Re: Sennas $0.00 offer
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 12:44:33 EDT

In article <lt9m+4=.esprit@netcom.com> esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.135524.12725@phillip.edu.au> t9014153@phillip.edu.au writes:
>>In article <1992Aug17.113711.12722@phillip.edu.au>, t9014143@phillip.edu.au writes:
>>> Can anyone confirm what James Hunt said at Hungary about Senna offering his
>>> services to Williams next year for free.
>>> 
>>> No salary seems an unbelievable statement for an driver the calibre of Senna.
>>> But under consideration he wants another championship badly and the records
>>> that may come with this(most wins in a season for example).
>>
>>I heard this too, so I guess money don't matter to him anymore..
>>
>
>My understanding of Senna's financial situation is that his family was pretty
>well off before he ever started making money racing.  Also, I am sure he
>has earned enough money (how much has he made in the last few seasons) that
>he could take a year with pay.
>
>If Senna thinks that Williams is going to have the dominant car, then I
>can see why he would go to Williams for free.  Senna still needs to beat
>Prost's 40-odd victory record as well as Fangio's 5-time WC record.
>
>alan

The poor guy will probably only make a few million in endorsements, gee maybe
we could take up a collection.  He'll do alright.
				       Mark

Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach)
Subject: Re: Mazdas @ Bonneville
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:53:03 GMT

From article <1992Aug13.161022.27081@ncube.com>, by bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe):
> While we're on this land speed record thread - something for
> the Mazda fans, from NSSN:
> 
> 
Stuff about Racing Beat's HypeRX-7 deleted.

> What I'd like to see them also do at Bonneville to put to rest some of
> the debates that have appeared in r.a.s. in the past:
> Make runs in the following vehicles:
> 
> - A current Lola/ChevB (C?) or Lola/Ford XB or Penske/Chev Indycar
> - A McLaren/Honda or Williams/Renault F1 car
> - A Jaguar XJR14 or Toyota Eagle MkIII IMSA GTP
> - An unrestricted, dropped rear deck spoiler NASCAR Ford or Chev
> - Anything else??
> 
 
Hmm, how's about we throw a Lola-Buick in for good measure with the other
IndyCars?  And clean them all up aerodynamically by tossing out the brake
scoops and mirrors, use flush-face wheels, and put a Lexan bubble over the
cockpit and toss the roll hoop.  Is it possible that the front tires could
kick up enough salt to clog the radiators on the open-wheelers?

While we're playing with the sports prototypes, bring a Sauber-Mercedes C11,
run at whatever weight they please, and a Peugeot 905.  Then maybe we'll see
what the 3.5 l sportscars might have done at Le Mans with the real Mulsanne, 
and if they'd beat the old unlimited turbo cars.


Shane Roach
csroach@eng.clemson.edu
From: chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Hungarian GP
Date: 17 Aug 1992 16:56:47 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: regenmeister

From article <1992Aug17.011740.27705@datamark.co.nz>, by tfarmer@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Farmer):
> In article <1992Aug16.224815.29756@sequent.com> dafuller@sequent.com (David Fuller) writes:
> 
>>I wonder if Nige and Gerhard will be speaking.  Berger, for my tastes,
>>tried a little TOO hard to squeeze nige on the two times Nige passed him.
> 
> I would tend to agree with you there. I thought it was interesting
> that Mansell had a better chance of passing Berger than Senna - he
> seemed to have more speed.

No, Senna DID have more speed.  He pretty well dogged it around the rest
of the course and focussed everything on getting a super launch out of
the last turn.  Naturally, he carried those extra revs (plus driving
down the dirty side of the course whenever Nige was at all close) to
hold his lead.  That was the whole contest between Mansell and Senna
yesterday: who can get the best launch out of that turn.  The result was
a draw which left the leader in front.

Chris Prael
From: smithr@teecs.UUCP (Robert Smith)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:24:53 GMT
Subject: Re: driver owned teams in F1
Organization: Litton Systems, Toronto ONT
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport

Denny won for Brabham in 67. He was driving for McLaren in 68. He won the Canadian GP at St. Jovite for McLaren in 68. Come to think of it, Denny won the
Canadian GP at Mosport for Brabham in 67.

Bob.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: "Passingest" driver in F1
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 02:11:35 GMT


In article <61Oj03iv62qN00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>,
nxn@uts.amdahl.com (David J. Nixon) writes:

|>An interesting new thread would be any stats on passes for position,
|>both as passer and passee.
|>Who is the "passingest" driver (to coin a phrase!-)?
|>Who is the "least passed" driver?
|>Stats for passes for the lead, may be easier to come by, although
|>filtering out position switches due to pit stops is a problem.

Mansell would certainly be a leading candidate.  Consider last year at
Estoril.  After he got underway after the tire incident in the pits, Mansell
was way back in the pack.  Patrese allowed him to unlap himself, and during
the next 20 laps he charged through the field and was back in the points
when he was black-flagged.  That was at least 5 passes for position just in
that one race.

--PSW
From: D.S.Walker@bradford.ac.uk (Simeon Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Hungarian GP
Date: 17 Aug 92 10:25:15 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 91909178@occam

In article <1992Aug16.175207.14924@cabot.balltown.cma.COM> welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:
>for my money, the best part of the race was berger/schumacher/brundel/
>hakkinen, complete with the brief interlude with nigel.  nice of the
>broadcasters to pick up on _why_ michael schumacher's rear wing decided
>to part ways with him.
>
>i wonder if there were fisticuffs in the beneton pits later?
I doubt it. It was quite obvious by the end of the race that Brundel was
having serious problems with his brakes, he only just managed to get round
the last few corners.

>
>this was definitely more interesting than most F1 races have been
>of late.
Definitely!

>
>cheers,
>  richard


-- 
Sim. ----------------------------------------------------------- Simeon Walker,
----------------------------------------- Department of Electrical Engineering,
D.S.Walker@bradford.ac.uk -------------------- University of Bradford, England.
From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mazdas @ Bonneville
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:49:03 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Dan Jones (danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com) wrote:
: And what was the fastest speed ever turned at LeMans?  I'm thinking that a 
: Rondel (sp?) got into the low 250's at one point.

Slight mix-up there. Rondel was a F2 team formed by Ron Dennis (he of
McLaren fame) and Neil Trundle back in the early 70s. They ran Brabhams,
then built the Motul F2 car ('73?). They also commissioned what became the
Token F1 car in '74. Victims of the Energy Crisis. At least Ron survived.

Rondeau was the Le Mans team you're thinking of -- they won in 1980 with a
DFV-powered car built in Le Mans; it ran in the GTP class (related to IMSA
GTP) which was the forerunner of GpC. I'm not sure what sort of speed
they would have been going at but I think 250 sounds a bit optimistic for a
450bhp car with fairly primitive aerodynamics. 210-220 sounds more like it.

The fastest Le Mans car I've ever heard of was the WM-Peugeot. Back in
around 86/87 they started ``Project 400'' -- an attempt to do 400kmh down
the Mulsanne straight. They did it, but not during the race (I think they
maanged about 407kmh or 253mph, driven by Francois Migault). The
WM-Peugeot was basically a typical GpC car with slightly weird
aerodynamics and a 2.7l stock block V6 turbocharged to an awesome
degree to give about 1000bhp. WM never had official Peugeot support,
but what little money and assistance they did get stopped in about '89,
presumably around the time Peugeot decided to get involved properly in
sports cars.

The Sauber-Mercedes C9s and the Jaguar XJR12s are both supposed to have been 
in the 240s before Le Mans was disfigured by the addition of chicanes.
: 
: Dan Jones
Pete 
--
*Peter Fenelon -- Research Associate -- Software Safety Assessment Procedures*
Dept. of Computer Science, University of York, York, Y01 5DD (+44/0)904 433388
EMAIL: pete@minster.york.ac.uk `There's no room for enigmas in built up areas'
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: agwiii@fang.att.com (Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92))
Subject: Re: F1: Frank Williams (was: Driver-owned teams)
Keywords: Frank Williams
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:36:54 GMT

Tom Haapanen wrote:
>Has Frank Williams really changed that much?

When did FW have his road accident? Remember that he is now a quadra-
plegic. He must be attended by nurses 24 hours. He cannot control anything
below his neck. Such a horrible personal tragedy could change the 
personality of ANYONE!
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Grayson Walker                                              AGWIII@fang.att.com
CHC, Maitland, FL                          Big brown river..... Tuli Kupferberg
From: bruce@egh-qc.uucp (Bruce Fisher)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Senna in 1993
Date: 19 Aug 92 09:06:53 GMT
Organization: Surgical Materials Testing Lab (SMTL)

idc@ukc.ac.uk (I.D.Catchpole) writes:


>     James Hunt mentioned it during the commetary for the BBC coverage
>of the race.  I think he said he was speaking with Senna earlier, and after
>saying Mansell wanted $23M, he said Senna had told him he would drive 
>for Williams for nothing.  Then Murray (I think) made a comment about 
>Senna being $23M cheaper for Williams to get than Mansell.

>Ian
>--
>__ __                          ! I.D.Catchpole ! Alaska....                  
>  |    __  __        __   __   !               ! Where men are men and       
>  |   |   |__| |\/| /  | |  |  ! University of ! Women are in short supply.
>__|__ |__ |__  |  | \__| |  |  ! Kent, England !        


Now we're getting to the bottom of it.

This so called offer was nothing more than a throwaway line used in
conversation. In the same way that any of us would use it when talking of
another persons job which we covet.

Bruce.

-- 
Bruce Fisher
Quality Control Laboratory,		email :  bruce@egh-qc.uucp
Bridgend General Hospital,		or    :  bruce@egh-qc.co.uk
Bridgend,				or    :  uknet!egh-qc!bruce
SOUTH WALES,  CF31 1JP			or    :  give up!
=== "I read the news today,  OH BOY !!!" ===
From: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Richard Beckett)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:45:53 GMT
Subject: Re: Recommendations for a used sporty car
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Labs, Bristol, UK
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Reply-To: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com


	Have you thought about a Nissan Silvia 1.8 Turbo ZX ?

	Very fast !!


	Cheers,


		RIK


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rik O'Chet, Bristol, England.		
Email: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com		One's never alone with a Rubber Duck !
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: glenn@misty.boeing.com (Glenn Cirlincione)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mazdas @ Bonneville
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:40:08 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane BCS Support

I see where your going with this one.

Let all 'em supposely fast cars go first...

...then let the Hudson put them all to shame.


Nice try Bob.
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Wednesday, 12 Aug 1992 10:43:58 EST
From: <MREED@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: NASCAR Hardees 500 Ticket Info

Does anyone have any fairly recent info on the ticket
situation for the Nov race at Atlanta. I haven't called
the track ticket office as of yet, figuring they will
only have backstretch tickets left. I sat back in the
DeWitt grandstand last year and was somewhat
disappointed with the view (my fault I waited until
just 2 weeks befor the race). I was hoping to find
some better tickets before I resort to calling the
ticket office, unless by some miracle the have some
turn 1 or turn 4 tickets left. Any info for tickets
from the track or other sources would be greatly
appreciated. E-mail replies to MREED@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu
or reply to the header address.

                               Thanx,
                                        Mike - Orlando, FL
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: Another Fiat Question
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 23:37:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.201402.8029@intelhf.hf.intel.com> yhcrana@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Karl Brown) writes:
>I just purchased a 1980 Fiat Spider 2000, and noticed that the right
>rear back-up light was not working.  I checked all the fuses and
>replaced the bulb, but it still does not work.  Does anyone have any
>idea of what else I can check?  Thanks!

The wiring.

:-)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: lallo@stsci.edu (Matthew D. Lallo,622,4577)
Subject: Re: Proposal: rec.autos.formula1
Reply-To: lallo@stsci.edu
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore MD
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:51:33 GMT

David Fuller writes:

   >Hey, wait a minute here.  This is a RACING group, not a go-slow group.
   >If you're not into turbos or nitrous injection, go away!  (Please?)

I'm most definitely *not* into turbos or nitrous, so I guess I shouldn't
be here either.

and in another post he writes:

   >I'm willing to go through with the process of voting and dealing with
   >the various postings to create a group for Formula 1.

Ahh, I think it comes clear now. F1 cars are not turbocharged, and they 
sure as hell don't use nitrous systems so I can understand why David wants
to segregate!

How 'bout this...we make a seperate group for rec.autos.slap-a-turbo-in-that-
thang-an-at'll-take-care-of-it, or rec.autos.nitro-burning-funny-cars.
"Funny" is right!

Matt
From: duane@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (duane.galensky)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Senna in 1993
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:55:22 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug18.152749.1@vax1.tcd.ie> scolucci@vax1.tcd.ie writes:
>-- 
>The $0.00 news came from James Hunt during the BBC commentary of the race. He 
>claimed to have been told this on the morning of the race by Senna himself 
>and that Frank Williams himself had not yet been told.
>Obviously then, until he hears from Williams all other offers are on hold.
>

since i can't imagine senna and prost on the same team, or in
fact anyone who's competitive driving with senna on the team,
perhaps williams' acceptance of senna will open up the door for
some second-stringer like berger for a slot with williams.

seemed to work well with mansell/patrese as teammates

duane
From: idc@ukc.ac.uk (I.D.Catchpole)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Senna in 1993
Date: 18 Aug 92 09:17:12 GMT
Reply-To: idc@ukc.ac.uk (I.D.Catchpole)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1992Aug17.193109.29980@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> spenser@fudd.jsc.nasa.gov (S. Spenser Aden) writes:
>In article <Bt54Az.7u4@apollo.hp.com> johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis) writes:
>>In article <93845@bu.edu> nicos@cs.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos) writes:
>>>Where did you people hear that Senna said he'd drive for Williams
>>>for free?
>>Spot the subtle distinction:
>>        Senna would drive a Williams for free.
>>                            ^^^^^^^^
>>        Senna won't drive a Ferrari  for $25M.
>>                            ^^^^^^^
>
>Simply as a matter of support ... I heard the LATTER on the broadcast.  I too 
>would like to know where this driving for free was heard.  I distinctly remember
>the point that Seena would NOT drive Farrari for $25M.

     James Hunt mentioned it during the commetary for the BBC coverage
of the race.  I think he said he was speaking with Senna earlier, and after
saying Mansell wanted $23M, he said Senna had told him he would drive 
for Williams for nothing.  Then Murray (I think) made a comment about 
Senna being $23M cheaper for Williams to get than Mansell.

Ian
--
__ __                          ! I.D.Catchpole ! Alaska....                  
  |    __  __        __   __   !               ! Where men are men and       
  |   |   |__| |\/| /  | |  |  ! University of ! Women are in short supply.
__|__ |__ |__  |  | \__| |  |  ! Kent, England !        
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: kvt@willow.mitre.org
Subject: NASCAR:  Clifford Allison
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:04:45 GMT

I've read two different things in two different posts.
Can someone please tell me if Clifford Allison was
Bobby's son and Davey's brother or was he Donnie's
son and Davey's cousin?

Thanks

KT
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: mcculley@racy.zko.dec.com (Bruce McCulley)
Subject: Re: Proposal: rec.autos.formula1
Keywords: racing autos formula1 newsgroups
Reply-To: mcculley@racy.zko.dec.com (Bruce McCulley)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 04:09:06 GMT


In article <1992Aug20.095300.26130@hplb.hpl.hp.com>,
 rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Richard Beckett) writes:
 
|> In article <1992Aug20.035251.12027@sequent.com>, dafuller@sequent.com
|> (David Fuller) writes:
|> |> I'm willing to go through with the process of voting and dealing with
|> |> the various postings to create a group for Formula 1.
|> |> 
|> |> I think that it's stifling discussion of a broad range of topics that
|> |> should be discussed in a "sporting" automotive group.
|> |> 
|> |> I don't have it in for F1 but I think that the group is suffering
|> |> greatly from an unstated specialization.  
 
|> 
|> 	Well said !! I'm an avid F1 fan and am fed up with wading through
|> 	loads of "Re: reliable cars" and all this Nascar (what is it ?) stuff.
|> 	
|> 	Please create a F1 only group.


Come on guys, get real.  If a group named "autos.SPORT" gets flooded with
drivel about reliable commuter s***boxes, what makes you think the solution
is to split off another group with a different focus?

The solution is to flood the mailboxes of the offenders with minor flamegrams
pointing out the need to edit the group list in their replies, not to make
yet another specialized group.

Then we can settle down to having one group with shared interests in
auto sports, like it ought to be.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport