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From: brumleve@hermes (Dan Brumleve)
Subject: Re: Death Muds?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:59:07 GMT

ccjason@hamlet.ucdavis.edu (Jason Gabler) writes:


>Are there any muds around with no ( or almost no ) rules?

>e.g. you can kill other characters with the only reprecutions being that they
>might kill you back :)

>Vale,
>		jase

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     Well, Armageddon is like that in a way.  The only restrictions involve 
rules on role-playing correctly (but, for instance, being psychotic is
a perfectly reasonable explanation for killing someone).  We're still 
playtesting, and we ought to open about 2 weeks after our new site is ready 
(very, very soon ;) ).  It's a Diku with about 1 year of development, 
including 19 guilds (realistic ones), over 30 races (6 for PCs), complete
easy to use online creation, totally new combat system, and m uch much more.;-)
If you're interested in helping playtest when we get back up (which is
basically just playing but you should tell me when you find a bug or
a way to cheat), just mail me at brumleve@iboga.stat.uiuc.edu.

-Jhalavar-
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.diku
From: p_lawren@oz.plymouth.edu (Phil W. Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Banned from EPIC
Reply-To: p_lawren@oz.plymouth.edu (Phil W. Lawrence)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 19:14:43 GMT

In article <Btt6z2.A6E@news.cso.uiuc.edu> brumleve@hermes (Dan Brumleve) writes:
>jwood@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu (joel braden wood) writes:
>
>>	But you have questionable character also, jhalavar.  Trying to role-
>>play is one thing, but a god killing characters over and over again is 
>>slightly overboard.  Calm down, mature (I've heard your only 14.), and realize
>>that most people playing on your mud don't like fighting gods.
>
>That I'm 14 is irrelevant to the situation.  To insult me on the basis of
>my age doesn't seem very mature either, does it to you?
>
>A god killing characters over and over again:  Let me see... I've occasionally
>done that before.  A few people from csupomona logged on as a few hundred
>obscene names and shouted out insults at me... I killed them, do you
>blame me for that?  What are you referring to particuarily?  I'd be
>glad to explain.
>
>
>
>


I don't know....kinda sounds like what Deathangel was up to?(Minus the obscene
name of couurse)..Isn't that called unnecessary immortal interference?
You claim that your mud is strictly roleplaying...isn't it possibe
that one could have a name like that?  Or that one could shout insults
to the gods?  I don't know...why don't ya tell us what you think Jhal..



Thenndrax..
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.diku
From: tad2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Terry A. Donaghe)
Subject: Where Is Muditor 1.0?
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 22:11:12 GMT

Any body know where the latest version of Muditor is?  I THOUGHT that I 
saw it the other day on Wuarchive, but it's not there now....


Please Email to:

tad2@ra.msstate.edu

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From: vp@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Pop Life)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.diku
Subject: Re: Banned from EPIC
Keywords: diku mud epic jhalavar banned
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:34:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Free Software Foundation (FSF)  Cambridge Mass.

>That I'm 14 is irrelevant to the situation.  To insult me on the basis of
>my age doesn't seem very mature either, does it to you?
>
>A god killing characters over and over again:  Let me see... I've occasionally
>done that before.  A few people from csupomona logged on as a few hundred
>obscene names and shouted out insults at me... I killed them, do you
>blame me for that?  What are you referring to particuarily?  I'd be
>glad to explain.


I will be the first one but not the only one to stick up for Jhalavar,
who may be 14...but is very mature for his age.  In fact, he is more
mature than some older mudders.  Let's NOT knock him for his age...
he can hold his own.

And I might as well add that this is beginning to sound like a bashing
party..let's try not to go full out bashing each other.

-Meliere
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.diku
From: patstew@oz.plymouth.edu (Pat Steward)
Subject: Re: A New Mud
Reply-To: patstew@oz.plymouth.edu (Pat Steward)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 17:37:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.141640.8381@midway.uchicago.edu> h309@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.135334.16618@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> mwb2c@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Mark Wesley Brunkhart) writes:
>>
>>
>>    Ok...here's the deal...a new mud has opened at 141.223.13.32 4000
>>The name i believe is PosMud....As i understand it the First 50 some players
>>recieve help....I am not sure how mucj\h help....I got advanced 27 levels
>>and received a pile of equipment....Check it out....
>>

This is great, but the lag there is *hellacious*.  It's located in
Korea, so it could be that it has to go through too much to get to me;
when I commented to another player about how awful the lag was, he
replied that it was much better than usual!

If it really didn't last that long, it's probably not an issue.
-- 
Pat Martin Steward                          patstew@oz.plymouth.edu
I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is;
I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express senti-
ments that differentiate me from a doormat.       Rebecca West, 1913
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.diku
From: wilsonm@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: AlexMud Down? - 130.237.234.17 4000 <
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:46:03 GMT


 I have had a few problems connecting to AlexMud - 130.237.234.17 4000 
if anyone has any suggestions please let me know

Email is fine.
From: kenneth@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.diku
Subject: Re: Banned from EPIC
Date: 2 Sep 92 08:21:54 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <Btt6z2.A6E@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, brumleve@hermes (Dan Brumleve) writes:
> jwood@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu (joel braden wood) writes:
> 
>>	But you have questionable character also, jhalavar.  Trying to role-
>>play is one thing, but a god killing characters over and over again is 
>>slightly overboard.  Calm down, mature (I've heard your only 14.), and realize
>>that most people playing on your mud don't like fighting gods.
> 
> That I'm 14 is irrelevant to the situation.  To insult me on the basis of
> my age doesn't seem very mature either, does it to you?

How is this irrelevant? You're 14 years old, as you admitted. The poster did
not insult you on the basis of your age.  He simply stated it and told you to
mature.  There are people that I know that are younger than you are and might
possibly be more mature.  There are adults I know who couldn't POSSIBLY be more
mature than you, based soley on my knowledge of them and what you have posted.
 
> A god killing characters over and over again:  Let me see... I've occasionally
> done that before.  A few people from csupomona logged on as a few hundred
> obscene names and shouted out insults at me... I killed them, do you
> blame me for that?  What are you referring to particuarily?  I'd be
> glad to explain.

You could possibly set up a file that automatically rejects obscene names,
for one.  You could make the computer delete obscene words (ie. like words
that one can't say on the radio) if shouted.  However, speaking of MATURITY,
why didn't you just talk to them?

If a "ruler" just went off and killed his/her "subjects" just because this
ruler didn't like what they were saying about him/her, this ruler would be
labeled a tyrant, and rightly so.  So, he's right. Kiddo, GROW UP!

Ken
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.diku
From: brumleve@hermes (Dan Brumleve)
Subject: Re: Banned from EPIC
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:04:43 GMT

kenneth@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:

>In article <Btt6z2.A6E@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, brumleve@hermes (Dan Brumleve) writes:
>> jwood@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu (joel braden wood) writes:
>> 
>>>	But you have questionable character also, jhalavar.  Trying to role-
>>>play is one thing, but a god killing characters over and over again is 
>>>slightly overboard.  Calm down, mature (I've heard your only 14.), and realize
>>>that most people playing on your mud don't like fighting gods.
>> 
>> That I'm 14 is irrelevant to the situation.  To insult me on the basis of
>> my age doesn't seem very mature either, does it to you?

>How is this irrelevant? You're 14 years old, as you admitted. The poster did
>not insult you on the basis of your age.  He simply stated it and told you to
>mature. 

     "Calm down, mature" is an accusation of being immature,  and I most
certainly consider it an insult.

>> A god killing characters over and over again:  Let me see... I've occasionally
>> done that before.  A few people from csupomona logged on as a few hundred
>> obscene names and shouted out insults at me... I killed them, do you
>> blame me for that?  What are you referring to particuarily?  I'd be
>> glad to explain.

>You could possibly set up a file that automatically rejects obscene names,
>for one.  You could make the computer delete obscene words (ie. like words
>that one can't say on the radio) if shouted.  However, speaking of MATURITY,
>why didn't you just talk to them?

     This event occured a long time ago, and since then I *have* done such.
Speaking of maturity, I *did* talk to them, rather politely in fact.  They
told me to fuck off, and continued to harrass creators on the MUD for the
next hour or so, and created around 150 characters during that period.

>If a "ruler" just went off and killed his/her "subjects" just because this
>ruler didn't like what they were saying about him/her, this ruler would be
>labeled a tyrant, and rightly so.  So, he's right. Kiddo, GROW UP!

    Exqueez me.  They weren't starting an argument with me, they were repeatedly
hitting macros like "shout FUCK YOU JHALAVAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!".  The
game was UNPLAYABLE for an hour or so, and if you had bothered to read the
other articles I wrote pertaining to this incident you would have known that.
 
-Jhalavar-
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.diku
From: regentin@cpsin2.cps.msu.edu (Curtis Regentin)
Subject: On the Epic tragedy(s)
Followup-To: Other ramblings on the Epic soap opera
Summary: Ramblings on the Epic soap opera
Originator: regentin@cpsin2.cps.msu.edu
Keywords: epic thenndrax
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 23:27:18 GMT

Well, Shortly after you got nuked, Thenndrax, the situation worsened
terribly.  I started a crusade to clean the mud (Being the highest level
player), which was fairly fruitless with all of Epics features that make
it real easy to be a pkiller.  I was fighting a losing battle, but
keeping the culprits busy (thereby not being able to kill anyone).
 All of the sudden there was a turn of events!  It appeared that someone
on high decided he(she)'d had enough!  I got flagged guardian and the
vilains were flagged wanted!  The tide had turned and the side of Good
had the advantage.  Unfortunately this is also about the time that the
game freaked out (I suspect it's a pfile problem, not a godly decision)
and has not been up for a couple days.

  So, fear not, my fellow Epic players, and join me in my cause!  The
evil will be purged from the land of Epic, or I shall die trying.

Grum P. Ogre, Defender of the Masses
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.diku
Subject: What happened to Sejnet.sunet.se ?
From: khoo@husc3.harvard.edu
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:38:28 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


Does anyone know what happened to the DikuMud at Sejnet.sunet.se ?
I was really cool, and I had a level 19 warrior on it.  I went away for the
summer, and know all I get from sejnet is connection refused.  <sigh>
Any information would be greatly appreciated.

-- 
khoo@husc3.harvard.edu      Lawrence Khoo       Computer Consultant
khoo@husc9.harvard.edu      (617) 496-8992    Econ. Dept, Harvard U.
From: skinner@lab1.smcm.edu (William Skinner)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.diku
Subject: client for unix  system on a NeXT system for dikumud neede
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:49:47 GMT



	> I am trying to get a hold of a client that will run for diku  
muds on a NeXT machine on a unix system. If anyone can tell me where one  
is, or send me one, please contact me at skinner@oyster.smcm.edu

						> Thank you
From: roo@itr1.bch.msu.edu (Curtis Regentin)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.diku
Subject: So what's the deal with Epic, anyway?
Summary: What's the deal?
Keywords: Epic
Date: 31 Aug 92 06:56:19 GMT
Followup-To: All this Epic BS
Organization: Dept. of Biochemistry, Michigan State University
Originator: regentin@cpsin2.cps.msu.edu

So what is the deal with Epic, anyhow?  Is it a goner 'till the new code
comes out?  I'm real curious.

I see no harm continuing its running, if that is possible in whatever
state it is in, and things were really getting interesting.  I really
see it as an opportunity to see just how much power the players have to
make the atmosphere how the majority of them want it, and how much just
luck and code and gods have to do with it.  Well, hopefully we'll see.

Oh, and if the powers on high are just too frustrated to deal with all
the reimbursements and griping, just say "SCREW IT" and let 'er run!
Those who want to stay will stay, and it'll be no real skin off yer
teeth!

And if you don' wana run it, hell give it to me!  I'll run it!  *cackle*

   Well, please consider my request, and at least let all your antsy
    players know whatsup, eh?

      Grum the Defender of Justice
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.diku
From: rlt20429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Robert L. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Banned from EPIC
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:55:22 GMT


I believe that Jhalavar posted to make a character reference.  After all
if one person decides to flame epic, then he opens himself up to all 
flames.  Since no one uses rec.games.mud.diku he might as well post it. :)

Powermonger God on Armegeddon    
(But not many other places)

Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.diku
From: brumleve@hermes (Dan Brumleve)
Subject: Re: Banned from EPIC
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 18:24:30 GMT

rlt20429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Robert L. Thomas) writes:


>Chuckle as far as I know Jhal has not killed people over and over on armegeddon.I DO know a god who has done this there, but it anit Jhalavar its DM.  I know
>that Jhal did try to kill a few 20's with a level 11, including my mortal.
>He failed both times, and I fryed him to a light brown.  Jhalavar #ohas
>prob the best code I have seen on a diku, and so far I have seen him treat 
>everyone fairly.  He has earned my respect as a player and an Imm so what if
>I am almost twice his age :).  


>Powermonger

Oh yes, I *do* do this occaisionally (and failed that time).  I haven't played
any mortals in a while though (and when I do I try to role-play that class
and race... Powermonger was referring to a rather psychotic elven illusionist).
When I play a mortal I'm just as likely to do something nice. *shrug*
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.diku
From: brumleve@hermes (Danny Brumleve)
Subject: Re: SneezyMUd is BACK!!!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:04:43 GMT

jfr2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Jackie F. Russell) writes:

>Something new and exciting is coming to SneezyMUD to addict you card
>and games enthusiasts! We are VERY close to finishing our CASINO. It
>will contain tables where players can play poker and blackjack against
>other players and/or the house. Also it will contain a row of slot 
>machines, 2 or 3 craps tables, and of course a roulette wheel. 

>Brutius the Belittler.

     This is an interesting idea... I just made up my own Poker-type card
game for Armageddon called Kruth (rhymes with tooth... hell, why not?).  There
are 6 different "suits"; Truth, Deceit, Life, Death, Fate, and Kings.  There
are also elements that can be combined with these; Sun, Water, Stone, Wind.
Therefore you could have the Stone of Fate, Wind of Death, etc.  Different
combinations are worth different amounts of points, and it's really quite
fun. ;-)  Maybe I'll add some more games like it (gives 'em something to
do while resting ;) ).

-Jhalavar-
From: v079ql9q@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Shane K Knapp)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.diku
Subject: Need a client
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:33:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hey happy mudders- got a simple request.  I have both a Vax and Unix Accounts,
and I am looking for client programs for both (or either).  I am pretty
unfamiliar with them, so they should be easy to use.  Thanx- any info
appreciated.
                          prefer vax  8^)
Later-                       |
                            \ /
Shane (Caine) v079ql9q@ubvms.bitnet     skknapp@acsu.buffalo.edu
Brent (??????)v094lrtr@ubvms.bitnet     fiene@acsu.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.diku
From: brumleve@hermes (Dan Brumleve)
Subject: Creation privs for mortals
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:32:18 GMT
Keywords: creation armageddon


     On Armageddon I'm considering giving very limited creation privileges
to mortals.  I've found that allowing immortals to create items for mortals
(for roleplaying only) really increases roleplaying potential.  For instance,
a rather infamous mage named Delver had a business card created for him,
reading "Delver's Mage for Hire Service - We'll do ANYTHING for the right
amount of gold."  I've seen similar such objects created by immortals
for mortals, and I like the idea a lot.  Mortals would be prevented
from making weapons, armor, setting affect bits, and object prices.
Of course, only people of, let's say, level 3 or greater could use
creation commands, and it would cost them money based on object
stats.  Or as an other possibility, it would be interesting to allow
them to "swap" existing items for another similar one that they
could edit.  Obviously, naming your object something totally unrelated
to its previous type would be disallowed, but it would be nice
for customizing your items.  For this, players will have to apply
for a bit that allows them to do it, instead of the other way
around.  I would also simplify the creation process (the object wouldn't
be saved anywhere but in rent, so actually adding an obj_default
is absurd).  Something like the following might be how a mortal
would go about it:

object             /* Create a default obj and give it to char */
oset object name cloak black
oset object sdesc a black cloak
oset object ldesc A black cloak is sprawled on the ground.
oset object weight 2
oset object type worn
oset object flag neck

Ta-dah!  Oset could be used without problems by allowing mortals to edit
any object with a virtual number of -1.  There shouldn't be any problems
with mortals editing each other's objects because there really isn't
much purpose in it.  If people find ways to "cheat" with this, (like
giving objects super-long odescs and then attacking whoever looks
at them), I'll just zorch them with a NOCREATE.  I think it would
make the game much more realistic and interesting.

Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.diku
From: patstew@oz.plymouth.edu (Pat Steward)
Subject: Re: Banned from EPIC
Reply-To: patstew@oz.plymouth.edu (Pat Steward)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 13:48:37 GMT

In article <4808@daily-planet.concordia.ca> akhgar@cs.concordia.ca writes:
>
>     My sympathies to you, Thenndrax, and as a brief note to those of you
>who dont know Thenndrax, and/or Epic... I thought I'd throw in my two cents
>worth.
>     I used to play on Epic too, and I remember Thenn as an honest and decent
>person (one of the good-guys, basically) :)...

It's my understanding that the Thenndrax who recently posted about
being banned from EPIC is *NOT* the original Thenndrax.  He borrowed
the name when the test version came up, much to the surprise of the
original Thenndrax, who, being "one of the good-guys", didn't make a
big fuss about it.
-- 
Pat Martin Steward                          patstew@oz.plymouth.edu
I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is;
I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express senti-
ments that differentiate me from a doormat.       Rebecca West, 1913
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.diku
From: rsocia@alberti.cray.com (Rick Socia)
Subject: Re: Banned from EPIC
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:12:26 CDT

In article <92240.220613BES115@psuvm.psu.edu>, <BES115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|>       I personally hope that Thenn's attack on an otherwise good mud ( ALL muds
|>  have a few sour grapes ) won't discourage too many from playing Epic.      You
|>  folx can judge for yourself.

Now call me stupid here, but this thread has had all but tow (including the one
mentioned above) reflect negatively on Epic.  This is not entirely a case of sour
grapes.  There has to be substance to these allegations.

Epic was only the second MUD I have ever played, actually the first bucause the
first was a play test.  DA was everything the others described him to be.  I got
tired of listening to him, so I got in the habbit of leaving gossip off.  But
he was apparently trying to goad me on gossip one night and I was not responding,
(because I like to keep it off) and he took this real personal.  So when I was
getting close to immort, he told me (via TELL) he was going to use me as a warm
up for Grum (the top non immort in the game).  This was happening at a time that
pkilling was becoming vogue (the thing to do).  So I would only play when he was
not there.  I was terrorized, the fun gone, and living in fear.  The ONLY reason
I continued was to try to win the big prize, immortality.

And as an aside, for a guy who spent most of his time using gossip, auction,
shout and yell to insult the female players, and brag about the size of his
manhood, he gained a lot of xp real fast! and good equip.  Kinda curious isn't
it.  Hmmmm!

I like Primus a lot.  He is a really cool guy.  I want to play epic again.  But
Primus if you ever get to read this, you gotta not show that jerk any favoritism,
(assuming you have been - I cannot prove yu did) and ban him from you wonderful
MUD.  Others wise, all you good work will be for naught.