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From: harveytj@kirk.aston.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: herbs and such
Keywords: herbs, properties, uses, MUGWORT(of particular interest)
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:28:00 GMT
Organization: Aston University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Has anyone got any info on herbs / uses.....particularly mugwort? 

I have recently got a copy of "Culpepers compleat herbal", any ideas / 
advice / info would be greatly appreciated..... Foe example: dosages,
uses - both as remedies and in general - uses in cooking or makind herbal 
infusions to drink.....

References for books on the subject would also be very helpfull.

	The thing that is holding me back the most is dosages and contra-
indications (if any).....I am - naturally - unsure about using them without 
knowing how much is enough / too much........


		I'd love to hear from you about this - here, or preferably 
by email.......


			Thanks!!!!!      (-:




				Tamsyn

					xxx
From: Marshall.Hoegfeldt@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Marshall Hoegfeldt)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: silence
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 05:11:56 -0600

Your observations as to the difficulties or reproduction of conditions are
perhaps the definative re-statement  of the basic problems in advancing the body
of arcane knowledge.  How many centuries have we as a species been searching for
the "Keys to Practical Magick", to what success?  And, I feel, that though this
forum has great value in starting meaninful dialogue between persons with
insight it is all too public for the revealation of the really valuable
information, for who knows who is listening.  Information is powerful stuff,
perhaps the most powerful and valuable of commodites, at least in certain ways. 
Anything which is passed-on via the medium of tele-communications IS monitored! 
If you want backround on this just read The PUZZLE PALACE, or even Vance
Packard's 20-year-old study, the HIDDEN PERSUADERS.  Wake up and be forewarned!


Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: drake+@cs.cmu.edu (Drake)
Subject: Re: Computer "Channeling"
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:50:15 GMT

Marshall.Hoegfeldt@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Marshall Hoegfeldt) writes:

>on/through a computer.  Has anyone either heard of this or even tried in?  I
>suppose this is something like automatic writing but I 'm a little at sea as
>how this might be accomplished.  

Sounds workable, at least.  If you can 'channel' in automatic writing, it
stands to reason that it'd be easier with a keyboard.  I've tried it; but
as I don't do any other type of channeling, and don't even know how it's
supposed to be done, it didn't work.

-- 
Love and Laughter,             | NOTE: Private mail must go explicitly
Xeper and Remanifest,          | to drake@seismo.soar.cs.cmu.edu
                       DRAKE   | or it'll bounce back to you...
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: bolz@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (Martin Bolz)
Subject: magical music
Originator: bolz@diana.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de
Keywords: music  
Reply-To: bolz@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (Martin Bolz)
Organization: TU Braunschweig, Informatik (Bueltenweg), Germany
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:57:18 GMT

Hi to all!

A girlfriend has some contact to wicca people here in germany. She 
has received some very nice music from them, but she dont want to
ditribute this music any further because its her religious music.

She only has told me a name of one of the musicians, Cynthia McQuillan,
but i dont even now the right spelling of the name. Would someone, who
knows this musician or other musicians with similar songs, be so nice
to email me or post the names, songs, cds or other informations as where
to received the stuff (not only in germany, as i dont think, there would
be much to receive here). 

I have posted this request before in rec.music.misc, and will try some 
other groups, but there was no reaction since now, so please regret
the not-so-magickal question.

		thanks for all help   Martin.
email: bolz@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de

Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (SCOTT C LOCKLIN)
Subject: Temple of Set
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:38:21 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

I've recently uploaded about 30 Temple of Set information files to slopoke &
quartz incoming directories. I may post all the files to alt.satanism if there
is an interest.
They consist of a couple of introductory documets and a reading list consisting
of 24 subject divided files. The reading list is probobly most interesting to
members of this newsgroup.

I direct the attention of the various "runic" magickians to the file TSRL24
which deals with this topic.

Disclaimer: I am not a member of or affiliated with the ToS; I am merely 
distributing what I consider interesting information to the masses...

yrs under the elder sign...
-Scott
From: armand@camel.West.Sun.COM (Armand Aghabegian)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: What new innovation, software or products d
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:10:22 GMT
Reply-To: armand@camel.West.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: camel

In article 726179461@selma.ecss.iastate.edu, sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>---
>
>What type of new innovation, software or products do you want to be
>introduced to the market place.  No answer is stupid.  The things
>that might be unachievable to you, might be very easy to produce
>by others.  You could become part of history by initiating the process of
>innovation.
>
>Send your answers, along with it's possible applications to me via
>Email.  We might be able to produce things that you might never thought
>possible, for you. My Email Address is sehari@iastate.edu.
>
>Thank you.
>
>                       With highest regards,
>                            Babak   Sehari.
>
>P.S.  This message is being automatically posted to all unix wide bbs'. 
>This post does not mean that I approve or disapprove this newsgroup.  Also,
>the moderator of the moderated newsgroups, such as rec.humor.funny, should 
>decide if they want this posting in their newsgroup.
>
>-- 

How about an AI program to weed out, automagically, all the unwanted advertisements coming
from automatically posted nonsense to world wide unix bbs'?
From: mimir@hardy.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Temple of Set
Date: 6 Jan 93 05:16:50 GMT
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

In article <1idd6dINN2l1@titan.ucc.umass.edu> locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (SCOTT C LOCKLIN) writes:
>
>I direct the attention of the various "runic" magickians to the file TSRL24
>which deals with this topic.

 I already have it (along with the other ToS stuff) on my BBS. Is your
copy of the TSRL24 complete? A lot of the ones going around are cut off in
the middle.

Wassail,
Grendel Grettisson
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: Keeping Silence, or "I Know Something You Don't Know"
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:56:55 GMT

drake+@cs.cmu.edu (Drake) writes:

>I apologize for my abrupt tone; I'm in a rush right now.  I just tend to
>fly off the handle when statements are made about magic not being
>subject to the same criteria as other fields of inquiry.  I think it is.
>But, then, of course, that's just my own opinion, right? ;-)

On what basis have you reached the conclusion that magic is subject to the same
criteria as other fields of inquiry?

When I was younger, I used to think that.  However, over the years, I have found
out that there is no general criteria which can be applied to all fields of 
inquiry.  If the same criteria apply, you are still in the same field.  For
example, textual criticism has a useful set of criteria for judging series of
manuscripts which purport to be the same document (scripture, for example).  If
someone attempted to do physics using the rules of textual criticism rather than
the scientific method the individual would not accomplish much.

Enjoy the journey!
                      --Br'anArthur
                                      Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

******************************************************************************
"We are secretly replacing the fine quartz crystals this medicine pouch maker
usually uses with Folgers crystals.  Let's see what happens...."
                                      --DACCrowell
Xref: sparky alt.magick:6622 alt.satanism:2945
From: tonya@csa2.lbl.gov (TONYA PUONCEY)
Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Pentagrams
Date: 4 Jan 1993 12:31 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.197
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1992Dec24.193701.12503@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>,
 locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Scott Locklin ) writes...
>My question was a simple one: What is the historical basis for the use of the
>inverted versus the upright pentagram as a symbol of "evil" or satanism.
>I have gotten no useful answers here, only parrots of the possible answers that
>I stated were uninteresting in the beginning (i.e. symbol of a man, point to
>hell etc...). How this turned into some riduculous comparison between xtianity
>and the neo-pagan movement, I will never guess (actually, it was the result
>of several pointless flames & the expected responses).


PICKY PICKY PICKY....  Now I'm no parrot.  My best guess is that when 
you connect Sephirot 5-9, 9-4, 4-6-8, 8-7, and 7-6-5 on the Tree of 
Life, the point of the Pentagram is pointing down, towards, Malkuth.  
When you connect Sephirot 1-5, 5-(Daath)-2, 2-3, 3-(Daath)-4, and 4-1, 
the point is up pointing towards Kether.  Sorry you didn't see that 
before.  Just trying to save space with a simple heaven/hell analogy.
Crowley has a lot written about the 22 paths between the 
Sephirot, each corresponding to a Hebrew letter.

Any way.

Tom Conlon (tc)
temp. address:  TONYA@LBL.BITNET
From: Laura.Gowdy@launchpad.unc.edu (Laura Gowdy)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: information on abortifacients
Date: 10 Jan 93 01:59:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
 
	In three months I've seen three requests for herbal-abortion
	Wanting an abortion, at home, under your own control, for less
	I've been trying to find this stuff out for years.  The trouble

p.s. congrats, Papa & Mama, & hello, Joseph!! 

--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
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From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Magic and Morals (was: Re: Harish)
Date: 4 Jan 93 13:01:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>>>>I can't imagine how you can.  --and that being said
>>>>>we're left with thelema.  Absolute and purely relative.
>>> 
>>> Not a thelema expert here, by a long shot, but in one of the 
>>> recent "Orgone Committee" posts there was a quote of Crowley 
>>> in which he said its WRONG to commit rape or child molestation 
>>> because those were acts of aggression against someone else's 
>>> will.  So I'm not sure that Thelema is really as amoral as people 
>>> say. ?????
>> 

Due to email request, I have found the quote I was referring to.

*******************************************************************
From: mimir@hardy.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Bi/Pan Sexuality and the New Aeon from the Orgone Committee
Summary: Long but interesting
Date: 26 Dec 92 07:53:35 GMT
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society


               Bi/Pan Sexuality And The New Aeon 

                         By: William Hunter (Frater BOZO II)


[Lots deleted...]

     Also, take your fill and will of love as ye will, when,
     where, and with whom ye will!                          
          The Book of the Law 1:51

     "As ye will." It should be abundantly clear from the
     foregoing remarks that each individual has an absolute
     and indefeasible right to use his sexual vehicle in
     accordance with its own proper character, and that he
     is responsible only to himself. But he should not
     injure himself and his right aforesaid; acts invasive
     of another individual's equal rights are implicitly
     self-aggressions. A thief can hardly complain on theor-
     etical grounds if he is himself robbed. Such acts as
     rape, and the assault or seduction of infants, may
     therefore be justly regarded as offenses against the
     law of liberty, and repressed in the interests of that
     law.
          Aleister Crowley The Law Is For All pg 110

[Lots deleted...]
***************************************************************** 

>The Crowley quote I referred to gives me the impression he 
>thought it was (simply) WRONG to commit rape, molestation, and 
>other acts of aggression.  (I don't know where the original poster 
>found this quote, so maybe it wasn't really Crowley, maybe it was 
>taken out of context, or maybe I misread it.  I'll try to find it 
>again.)
> 
>Definitely not the fashion now to say something is simply wrong; 
>sounds so judgmental, but now and then its refreshing to do so - 
>though risky.:)

Questions:
1.) Is this quote accurate (did Crowley really say it)?
2.) Is there another way to interpret this, aside from the way I 
    interpreted it?
3.) What is the "law of liberty"?
4.) How does this relate to Crowley's concept of Thelema (which
    now seems to me less amoral than before)?

- Peggy -
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: mark.terka@rose.com (mark terka)
Subject: Slopoke?
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:15:31 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 01-07-93 17:12
 Mi> locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (SCOTT C LOCKLIN) writes: >The path names
 Mi> for the aforementioned files are >slopoke.mlb.semi.harris.com 
 Mi> /pub/incoming/set 
 Mi> That isn't the magick incoming directory. That directory is
 Mi> /pub/magick/INCOMING. I hope they don't get lost.

I access Internet from a large BBS in Canada....is it likely I could access
somehow the files on Magick at slopoke??? Any ideas?

... ----->|*  MARK!
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
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   RM 2.00 : RoseNet<=>Usenet Gateway : Rose Media 416-733-2285
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Computer "Channeling"
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 02:53:10 -0600

One local luninary here in Minneapolis/St. Paul claims to do his/her channeling
on/through a computer.  Has anyone either heard of this or even tried in?  I
suppose this is something like automatic writing but I 'm a little at sea as how
this might be accomplished.
From: mcohan@scripps.edu (Max Cohan)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Wicca, luck
Date: 4 Jan 93 08:03:39 GMT
Organization: The Scripps Research Institute, La Jolla, California, USA


I hopped into a store a couple of days ago that proclaimed itself to be a magick store... etc (it was interesting, but ridiculously high priced) what they did have, which was interesting was some (free) beans of some sort 
they look like plain ol' black beans... 
the sign on the basket said 'take two and carry them with you for good luck'

so what is the basis for this?  will some magickally clued person explain :)
From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Sex? Magic??
Date: 06 Jan 93 08:38:48 GMT
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bailey.cpac.washington.edu
In-reply-to: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu's message of Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:38:42 GMT


In article <C0D3GJ.9sG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu 
(B.A. Davis-Howe) writes:

>   mark.terka@rose.com (mark terka) writes:
>>  tagi(?) writes:

>   > T(> What is sex magick?

>   >The use of the sex act (either hetero/homo) in ritual context to achieve
>   >magical energies otherwise unattainable through conventional Magickal
>   >Ritual.

>   Um, this is a very narrow definition of sex magic.  Most of the sex magic I
>   have done has been either symbolic or autoerotic.  

some people find it possible to find partners for sex, BA.

josh
From: Marshall.Hoegfeldt@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Marshall Hoegfeldt)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Computer "Channeling"
Date: 10 Jan 93 12:52:20 GMT

Thanks for the reply.  I don't know too much myself as to what the person was
doing though I recall that he/she sain that the "Old Ones" told him/her to stop
eating meat. To this end I suggested the Book of Tofu, a vast resouce of
information as well as recipes, etc.  I seems that the purging of the body from
the toxins associated with the digestion of meat, whether these toxins being
nutirant or spiritual, these toxins were interfering with the spiritual
developement of the channeler.
        You mentin that you do someting concerning channeling? CAre to elaboate?
 
        Oh, how does one zap a "private massage to you via this BBS network?  I
have to plead in\gnorance as I fairly knew to this particular net.
                                -*- Marshall -*-
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: sfoley@uumeme.chi.il.us (Sean M. Foley)
Subject: Re: Bi/Pan Sexuality and the New Aeon fr
Organization: UUMEME Public Access Xenix
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 10:31:09 GMT

In article <Leo_Sacher.03eg@kumear.apana.org.au> Leo_Sacher@kumear.apana.org.au (Leo Sacher) writes:
>In a message dated Sat  3 Jan 93 19:37, Sfoley@uumeme.chi.il.us (sean M. Fo
>wrote:
>
> SMF>   Do you WANT to be approved by some group or organization? I
> SMF> couldn't call
> SMF> one's sexual life a matter that should be "sanctioned" by any group.
>
>No the purpose of my message was not to seek approval but was a genuine
>query into any work done on sex magick as it relates to S/M. I'm asking if
>anyone besides the IoT has members that use the pleasure/pain duality in
>ritual.
>
       Probably not, It would give the public something more to slander
the magick community with. As for is it done? yeah, likely.. But, not many
would sayit publicly. (People have enough hangups about Magick as a whole)
       Anyway, I'm sure someone that does magick likes it, and some other
groups support it, but I'm totally unaware of them.(It wouldn't work for me
as S/M tends to repulse my very being, therefore I cannot say I've "looked"
for them..). Sorry about my previous railings.. I was in a mood to spew and
so I did.

-Sean
-- 
| sfoley@uumeme.chi.il.us |       I only look like I have a clue.           |
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From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Keeping Silence (was: testin' this stupid editor)
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:34:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <6477.1313.uupcb@spacebbs.com>, mike.mcaulay@spacebbs.com (Mike Mcaulay) writes...
> 
>cranmer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
> 
>-> tonya@csa2.lbl.gov (TONYA PUONCEY / T. Conlon?) writes...
>->
>-> > Anyway, I was wondering how many people can honestly say that they
>-> have > had success with invocations, evocations, divinations, etc.
>-> > All this philosophical maundering, but who can say what they've
>-> _DONE_ > and had or not had success with.


Part of my reticence in replying to this sort of question is that 
I honestly don't know what exactly causes my success.  Hard to 
pin it down to one thing and say "Oh yes, my ritual Blah Blah 
Blah made Blah Blah Blah happen."  I seldom do rituals.  When I 
do, they are very simple, and make sense only to me, since I 
don't use universally accepted symbolism and archetypes.  Most of 
what I do is mental - focusing on something.  When something 
happens that I wanted to happen, the cause and effect are 
not entirely clear to me, and I'd rather say nothing than make false 
claims.  In other words, how do I know it wouldn't have happened 
anyway?

Basically I try to deal as effectively as possible with ordinary life 
situations (relationship problems, programming problems, deciding on 
goals and priorities, making decisions that will alter the course of 
my future in the way I want, personal transformation).  I could give 
examples, but *yawn* they wouldn't be very exciting and would 
sound a little silly, so don't ask.  Some peculiar things have happened 
too, but I can't say why and certainly can't claim "I did it".  For me 
these peculiar things are private.  I tend not to mention them even to 
people I know well, so why would I tell a complete stranger.

>That's fine.  But some of us (I can't be the only one) would like to be
>able get practical questions answered by those with more experience.  

Ask away.  If people find your question interesting they might 
respond.

>I note with some peevishness that of the two direct requests for
>information which I have posted here one drew zero replies, and the
>other only two, whereas my requests for programming info average around
>eight. 

I don't even remember seeing these, but would suspect that the wording 
was such that they didn't appeal.  Try different bait.:)

- Peggy -
From: tonya@csa2.lbl.gov (TONYA PUONCEY)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: testin' this stupid editor
Date: 4 Jan 1993 13:10 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.197
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <memo.834810@cix.compulink.co.uk>, shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk writes...
>In-Reply-To: <22DEC199213165315@csa2.lbl.gov> tonya@csa2.lbl.gov (TONYA PUONCEY)
> 
> 
>tonya@csa2.lbl.gov (TONYA PUONCEY) writes..
> 
>>Hail Eris 
>>All hail Kalliste.
> 
>That's a make of car isn't it?

EXCUSE ME?

>Happy new year.

Happy New Year...

I hope!!!

32 impossible things before breakfast...
Like I'll enjoy work!
Like I'll have fun driving down the wonderful scenic San Pablo 
countryside in the dark to get there!!!


Anyway, I was wondering how many people can honestly say that they have 
had success with invocations, evocations, divinations, etc.

All this philosophical maundering, but who can say what they've _DONE_
and had or not had success with.  Books, papers, Jesus, AC, yeah yeah 
yeah

but we're alive, and they're not!!!!


I'll start:   I've mostly used the Tarot.  OUIJA with limited 
(unverifiable) success.

With the Thoth (Crowley, large) deck, I've done about 90 readings.  Four 
of them were wrong, and one guy seemed scared to tell me what the 
circumstances were regarding the specific situation (i.e. he was I think 
homosexual and I'm not, and he didn't want to say, I THINK!!!).  People 
have come back to me, called me up, really desired to hear more.  I 
don't charge money, or ask for barter either.  I think that's bunk.  
When I go past street readers I usually yell "I have the same deck" or 
"I don't charge money" or "There is no art where there is the thought or 
money" or some such bs.  I haven't used my cards for a while.
The method I use is modified on the Golden Dawn "Horseshoe" method, with 
the deck first cut into 4 packs, with the significator in almost always 
the correct pile according to the subject of the query (i.e. fire, air, 
water, earth).  This has been wrong maybe ten times, and I used to stop 
the reading at that point, as the book _Golden Dawn_ specifies, but now 
I usually proceed if I am wrong there.

Eagerly awaiting a horde of responses!!!

NO MORE FLAMES!

-T. Conlon
Temp. Address:   TONYA@LBL.BITNET