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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 4 Sep 1992 14:52:55 CDT
From: <U58402@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech

In article <1992Sep3.022731.20269@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) says:
>>               underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) :
>>               > No.  Generally, I do not call any specific person a
>>               > "savage", for example.
>>               > There is a difference in the following.  What I
>>               > generally say is,
>>               >     I.  The Nazis are savages.
>>               >         The Chinese-cu are savages.
>
By Aristotle's rules of logic:

Mr. Joe's assertion: The Chinese-cu are savages.
Mr. Joe's assertion and my admission: I am a Chinese-cu.
Conclusion: I am a savage.

Now, I do not consider myself a savage, and anyone who knows me, I would
think, would come to the same conclusion. So either Mr. Joe's original
assertion is wrong, or Mr. Joe rejects Aristotle's rules of logic.

>
>I'll take this opportunity to indicate a fundamental difference
>between Chinese-cu thought and Western (and Japanese) thought.
>
>This is in stark contrast to the Chinese-cu view of the world.  If they
>don't like the views of a particular person, they think that it is
>all right to (1) attack him personally, (2) harrass him personally,
>(3) flood his e-mail box, (4) maraude him from newsgroup to newsgroup, etc.


Please, back this up with some facts. Mr. Joe has stated that Chinese-cu
incorporates all of the arts and literature that the Chinese have
produced over the past 5000 years. Fine. Show where Confucious states
that it is okay to squelch dissenting thought. Find a quote from Lao-Tze
supporting the harrasment of an individual for speaking his mind.
Demonstrate how the paintings of Bade Shanren expresses the glory of the
tyrrany of the majority.

All Mr. Joe has done is to define Chinese _culture_ as what he
considers (as do most of us) to be abhorrent human
behavior. The difference is that Mr. Joe isolates what is evil and
claims that it is inherent and limited to the Chinese way of thinking,
and is completely excluded from Western civilization.

This type of thinking is racist. If Mr. Joe is not himself Chinese. If
he is, he has my sympathies.

Wilbur Pan
(aka u58402@uicvm.uic.edu
 at the ever so friendly and personal univ. of ill. at chicago)
From: kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: iso-encoded-... whatever
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:23:02 GMT
Organization: Auburn University, Auburn, AL
Message-I.D.: <1992Sep10.034916.25087@eng.umd.edu>Lines: 44

How about developing new hangul coding algorithem,
such as uudecode and uuencode.

To distinguish the hangul and english, send suffix before
sentense. Sambo use ~h~w to initiate printer for hangul setup.

So if terminal hangul emulator detect a special sequence,
just let it do convert the following sequences as hangul.

It will not be so difficult to write such a program,
if somebody has ever programed hangul code.


uudecode and uuencode source and the algorithems are well known,
So the netters in kaist can develope those new programs very
easily.

If I have a source code of DANSI, I can do that.
I read the the source code of dansi version 1.1 was open somewhere,
but no idea how to catch it.

Any suggestion.


Also I downloaded ncsa-patch.zip and hsh.com from kiast machine.
So hangul johab and wansung code can be handled on
hercules mode screen with a pc which has ncsa telnet package
installed on.   Hangul is freely read and written in vi editor and
can send hangul email between VAX and SUN.

If the pc telnet system has VGA card, then just dansi hangul emulator
works fine.

Since my pc has mono monitor with an ethernet card, I asked
yunju Baick in kaist about the kscode mono emulator. 
She sent email and I got hsh.com form kaist.

Now I am enjoying kids.kotel.co.kr bbs so much together with
hangul on the ethernet. So faster than model with iyagi.exe.

Just curious about the new way of using hangyl on the newsgroup.

Bye
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: An alt.korean.text anyone ?
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 04:14:34 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Sep4.193311.19936@news.yale.edu> shin-jungshik@CS.YALE.EDU (Jungshik Shin) writes:
>  As I posted before, ISO encoded HANGUL (ISO HANGUL is somewhat misleading
>because it is not ISO standard,but it's made by Uhhyung Choi and for 
>transmitting KS 5601 code via e-mail.)

	Yes! This is why I was so confused about along with the
	very brief but explains-all walk-thru on ISO-encding.

	I almost wasted an hour before I read this article to
	wondering how in the world this encoded code can represent
	Hangul code that supposed to show up on Hanterm - it
	could have been worse; I was pulling my hair out.

	Why in the world does it have to be named following ISO?

	BTW, as for hcode, the command line option was quite awkward for me,
	being spoiled(?) by getopt() style - UNIX convetional option.

	Thanks for the info.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu	I don't speak for Sprint.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: sala8864@hgc.edu (gustavo salas)
Subject: Re: All you d*ckhead friend-betraying Koreans!!!
Organization: The Hartford Graduate Center
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 03:01:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.144634.22223@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep4.144915.670@merlin.hgc.edu>, sala8864@hgc.edu (gustavo salas) writes:
>> In article <1992Sep1.214055.14382@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee) writes:
>> >
>> You made a quite broad generalization there, mister. The group of people
>> you saw wearing stupid-looking sneaker may have been sloppy, but what
>> the hell made you think those people represent most of Korean males?
>> 
>> I happened to have a bunch of guys from Taiwan at a wing in my dorm and they
>> didn't bathe and their hair always looked grissy. As matter of fact, I had
>> to change the room because of foul ordor from my room mate even though he
>> was a really nice guy. By the same token of yours, I can claim that all
>> Taiwanese males are dirty? Well, I don't think so.
>> 
>
>
>If you don't behave like other South Koreans who were irked on my posts
>and made judgment based on their nationalistic mentality, then you are
>not one of them.
>-- 
You missed the point, sir. I don't remember exactly what your first post was,
but you definitely said South Korean males are sloppy becasue many of them
wearing these stupid-looking sneakers. You didn't answer my question.

And number two, I surely can behave like whatever I like to be. That is 
nobody's business and no one has right to judge who I am.

Finally, I think your comment on South Koreans was a bit offensive and it
is natural for any group of people to be defensive when they feel they
were offended. Do you remember there was a flame war between a bunch of
Taiwanese guys and a Korean, who posted a bit offensive(serious to some
people in the group, though) comment on soc.culture.taiwan? How do you
explain that? Don't tell me it is different. To me, those responses from
the people were surely based on their nationalistic mentality.

your own opinion. 
>/* The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.         *\
> * Take care and have a nice day.                                            *
>\* Ter-Yuan Lee                                                              */


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shin-jungshik@CS.YALE.EDU (Jungshik Shin)
Subject: Re: A Second Test(was Re: alt.korean.text anyone?)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 23:37:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.085711.14278@kum.kaist.ac.kr> uhhyung@bee.kaist.ac.kr (Uhhyung Choi) writes:
>
>This is a second test for alt.korean.text. (ISO-2022-KR)
>You can read the Hangul message here if you convert it with iso2ks
>which is avaliable from BARAM.KAIST.AC.KR via anonymous ftp.
>Please report Korean users the result of your site to the newsgroup
>soc.culture.korean.
>Thanks a bunch!
>
>Uhhyung Choi
>CS Dept., KAIST
>
>$)C@L0M@: 5N9xB0 =CGh@T4O4Y.
>@L GQ1[@: ISO2022 conformant manner7N @NDZ5e 5G>z@>4O4Y.
>
>CV?lG|
>GQ190zGP1b<z?x @|;jGP0z

   I tried to conver above message only to fail. I checked above message
with 'od -h' and foudn that there are no 'x0e' and 'x0f'( SI and SO). My
site seems to strip SI and SO off the message.

   Jungshik Shin


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: djordan@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (David Jordan)
Subject: YONSEI University connection
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 12:39:22 GMT


Since requesting help to reach my daughter via e-mail, I received several
replies with information about addresses for Yonsei.  I haven't tried yet
since I'm waiting for my daughter to establish an account (after she gets
my snail mail).  I also receive several requests for the information I 
received so I am posting it for general information.  Thanks to all who
have responded.

David Jordan  <djordan@spartan.ac.brocku.ca>

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Hi,

Yonsei Univ has bitnet for its email.

The school id of Yonsei is krysucc1.bitnet.

Therefore, your daughter's full emai address will be

    your-daughter's-user-id@krysucc1.bitnet

Good luck.

***************************************
  Yes, it's possible.  The U is connected on bitnet.
Your daughter should get an account from their computing center.
Their address is 

  login_name%krysucc1.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shin-jungshik@CS.YALE.EDU (Jungshik Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Koreanized English list
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:53:38 GMT
Organization: Yale University

In article <1992Sep14.054049.23310@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>In Korea        In the U.S.
>========        ===========
>amp guitar      electric guitar
   I don't think amp guitar is widely used in Korea because I've never heard
of that although many friends of mine have electric guitars. Electric guitar
is called such in Korea and sometimes it's called 'Elec Guitar'.
>James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: sts@iastate.edu (Tae-Sung Shin)
Subject: EEN-SA
Summary: I want to have relationship with koreans in U.S.A
Keywords: penpal with some koreans wanted
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 06:38:16 GMT

Hi, there. My name is Tae-sung Shin, and I'm a graduate student in ISU.
ISU is located in AMES, IA. In fact, in July, I arrived here, so my english is very poor, and I don't know many things about USA. These days, I am lonely very much. Yes, I'm busy, but when I have some time to rest, I NEED SOMEONE TO TALK. I'd like to have conversations with koreans here about almost everything. I like sports, travel, and reading (I usually read Man-hwa-chaeck.) Send me e-mail, please. I'm sure we'll have good time!!
From: junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: What is the biggest problem Korean people facing these days?
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:31:53 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Last night, I had a conversation with my family members about the
problems in Korea. Father says Korean politics is the biggest problem
among them. But I think whoever runs the office next year will do
whatever he can do for himself unless people speak up for their
opinions. Any suggestion how we can correct the problems in Korea?

Jung S. Lee
From: brad@SSD.CSD.HARRIS.COM (Brad Appleton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Need someone with knowedge of Korean Language and Culture
Summary: Please help me correct my Korean terminology
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:26:29 GMT
Organization: Harris Computers Systems Division, Fort Lauderdale,FL

Hello - I hate to bother with this post but my need is quite real.

I am a student of Tae Kwon Do and am trying to learn some basics
of Korean Culture and of the Language.

I have a document (about 5 pages long) of what I have learned so far
but I have no "authority" to turn to to verify my findings (my 
instructor is not such an authority).

I am looking for one or more people who know Korean culture and the
Korean Language who would be willing to look over my document
(plus answer a few other questions) and give me any corrections.

If you are willing, please reply by e-mail and I will
send you "the goods" to look over.

Also - if there is an FAQ (frequently asked questions list with answers)
for this newsgroup, please e-mail it to me!

Many Thanks In Advance,

______________________ "And miles to go before I sleep." ______________________
 Brad Appleton           brad@ssd.csd.harris.com       Harris Computer Systems
                            uunet!travis!brad          Fort Lauderdale, FL USA
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Disclaimer: I said it, not my company! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: sl26@ellis.uchicago.edu (sangjin  lee)
Subject: Brief review of the student movements in Korea from a personal point of view(1)
Reply-To: sl26@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Physics, University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:48:23 GMT

The following article is about the brief history of the student movement in
Korea since 1945(independence of Korea) till now, with my personal point of
view. I post this article not only because it's one of the most intriguing
elements of modern Korean history but also because it's kind of crucial to
understand what's going on now in Korea.
There might some errors on concrete facts, although I'll try to do my best
to avoid. Also, most wise readers could distinguish the facts from my
personal opinion, I believe.

(1) Underneath: before 1945
Before 1945, the "public enemy" for Korean patriots were the "Japanese
imperialists" and their Korean co-operaters, of course. At that time, the
students group represents the educated, or the intellectual.
In my opinion, there were two main streams of thoughts which were sort of
dominant among the students(or the intellectual); firstly, the socialistis
idea, and secondly, the Christian. After Russia succeeded in its 1917
revolution, and allegedly erected the government by the People(i.e.
proletariats), many Koreans were encouraged by the fact that the
oppressed(referring to themselves) could obtain the power through the
socialism(or Marxism). At the same time, Marxism, as a theory, was very
logical and "scientific". Thus, it was a very attractive theory to the
intellectual.
Here is something worthy of note: Another reason that the people(especially
the intellectual) were so susceptible to Marxism is that it's very
comprehensive. It says not only about the economics but also about every
single aspect of human lives; philosophy, politics, aesthetics, and so on.
It was rather a worldview. One more reason added there is that it has sort
of moral superiority to the other views. Under the very naive regime of
early capitalism, the Marxism shouted for the justice and equality for the
brutally oppressed laborer class, and it propagated the evil of the
capitalists(burgeoiges); their greed, adherence to their previleges, etc.
So it could appeal to the sympathy of people. Hence many Korean young
intellectuals began to practice the Marxism, or moderately socialistic
ideas as their weapon to fight the intruders.

The Christianity was already widespread over all of the country, and
thousands of people were converted to the religion every day in Korea.
Many religious Korean young people believed in Christianity very seriuosly,
and most of them grasped the message from the Bible that the Sovereignty of
God is absolute, and thus the authority of the 'World' is relative one.
Also, the main messages of the Christianity, love for all people and
justice, were their hopes.
The christian idea, though, was mostly shared among the right-wing. Ther
were some people who were socialists and christians, but they were not
dominant. Most leftists were critical to Christianity, and vice versa.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: uhhyung@baram.kaist.ac.kr (Uhhyung Choi)
Subject: Re: KAIST gets ABET tests
In-reply-to: shin-jungshik@CS.YALE.EDU's message of Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:46:36 GMT
Organization: Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology
	<1992Sep10.033109.11156@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
	<1992Sep10.194636.22157@news.yale.edu>
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 11:16:54 GMT

Hello, here we're just in the middle of the long Choo-Seok holiday.
Had little rain today, but the whether forecast says we'll have typical 
fall skys during the holidy.

Majority of professors here have earned their Ph.D degree from U.S. 
institutions and I think they must have heard of what the ABET is, 
and how authoritive the test is when they've decided to get the test.
Years ago, the University of Tokyo also had taken ABET test, and they 
were ranked 50th or around. (I've heard this from a senior member of my lab.) 
I'll try to let you know what the ABET is exactly, when I go back to 
school next week.

For your information, KAIST has undergraduate programs(former KIT 
programs) as well as graduate programs. And I'm a junior student of
Computer Science department.

Happy holidays,

Uhhyung Choi

P.S. Quoting an anonymous from the net,

     "Be conservative in what you say, and be liberal in what you hear."
From: ywlee@sparc2.cs.uiuc.edu (Youngwhan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Help needed......
Date: 13 Sep 92 16:42:39 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

In <1992Sep11.180912.15293@merlin.hgc.edu> sala8864@hgc.edu (gustavo salas) writes:
>P.p.s. I happened to have received a US citizenship a year ago, and I am
>       not sure if a foreigner(technically) can work over  there. Any 
>       comments, suggestions would be deeply appreciated.

One of my friends went to back to Korea early this year. Later I had
a chance to chat with him over the phone. He said he gave
up his US citizenship to get paid. I assume you must give up your
citizenship to get paid properly.

youngwhan
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From: rahman@ces.cwru.edu (Rahman A. Soomro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Rain Relief Fund
Date: 9 Sep 1992 19:39:07 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: easy.ces.cwru.edu


Dear friends,

Recent rains in Pakistan have caused devastating effects on the 
daily life of the Pakistani people. Scores of people have lost there
lives and more than a million have been homeless.

	I appeal to you to help our brothers and sisters in need
and donate some money to help them. Please send your contribution
(tax deductible) with your name and also I request you to collect 
donations from any source -- your colleagues at work, friends, business
associates, customers, persons from any nationalities and backgrouds
to help people in trouble. 

	We are tying you help suffering peoples, who are suffering
from disease and malnutrition.

Please mail your contributions to:

Pakistan Rain Relief Fund
4105 Providence drive
St. Charles, MO 63304
USA
From: umin@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Un-Sig Min)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Koreanized English list
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:00:14 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <1992Sep15.021848.8794@kum.kaist.ac.kr> milburn@vision.postech.ac.kr (John Milburn) writes:
>
> :-))
>Konglish          English (American)
>========          ===========

>won-pi-su         woman's dress
 ^^^^^^^^
 one piece

>tu-pi-su          blouse and skirt
^^^^^^^^^
 two piece

>num-ba-won        best (more or less direct xlation of jae-il)
 ^^^^^^^^^^
 number one

>
>I still don't understand about "computer" laundries where there is no
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^>computer in sight.

Proper expression should be "Microprocessor controlled laundaries."
But this is too technical to understand regular people in korea.
Therefore they used simply "computer laundaries."

I saw one company made its product name "Neuro-puzzy laundary.(I am not
sure it is laundary or something else.)"
 Neural network + Puzzy optimization + laundary.  I guess more
easy expression can be "Artificial Intelligent laundary."
It's tough to follow new technology in both professional and regular 
life in korea. 

>-jem
 
Un-Sig.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: slee@eng.auburn.edu (Sanguk Lee)
Subject: New rule for our group !!!
Reply-To: slee@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:45:40 GMT

Hello all!!!

	I'd like to in troduce simple but important rule for our Korean group.
When we use any kind of abbreviation like KAIST, let's make it clear as follows
1. all abbreviation should be written in capital letter(upper case)
2. make full description of that abbreviation at least one time in the article.
3. assume that everybody doesn't know it.
4. explain new terminology when you introduce it.
I think we need this kind of basic rule for everybody's convenience.
If you agree with me, please do so.

Thanks

Sanguk LEE
_______________________________________________________________________
Sanguk Lee : 644 W. Magnolia Ave. #A11, Auburn, AL36830, USA
		(205) 826-8358; (205) 844-6806

	Dept. of Aerospace Engineering
	Auburn Univ.
	Auburn, AL36849
_______________________________________________________________________


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Yongsup Park)
Subject: Re: Koreanized English list
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:38:17 GMT

In article <V666qB1w165w@tmk.mlb.fl.us> knox@tmk.mlb.fl.us (Tom Knox) writes:

>  "NOT HEAT-ER, HE-TAH!" 
>
>(and wouldn't get her any help until she said it "right").
>

I think it's more than natural to have a Koreanized pronounciations for
commonly used English words just like you don't expect an American 
pronounce Korean words correctly.  Nothing wrong, nothing strange.


-- 
----
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Physics and Astronomy Dept. / park@anmsd3.msd.anl.gov  / AT&T ?  Because they 
Northwestern University    / B40180@ANLCV1.BITNET     / hire physicists.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean