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From: ayang@cayley.waterloo.edu (Andy Yang)
Subject: Re: Otakus, fanboys, and psychos (was Re: KOR Questions.)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:28:47 GMT

In article <91961@bu.edu> shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich) writes:
>Since "otaku" is a very negative word, how about an English word to describe
>those who have anime (and animation in general) as their hobby? Seeing the
>creative talent that went into the AnimEigo slogan contest, this just might be
>possible.
>
>Also, on a related topic. I've thought about a stigma in the US society that
>would be similar to the "otaku" word. It's definitely not a "trekkie" since
>Star Trek fandom is by and large accepted and is almost mainstream. Probably

Well, I'm not so sure about that.....the term 'Trekkie' can also be used in a
derogatory way. In terms of connotation, I always figured 'trekkie' to be a
subset of 'otaku'.

I think an important factor in this issue was mentioned earlier on - there are
people who enjoy things like anime and Star Trek. And there are those people
who are obsessed with it. The usage of 'Trekkie' in my experience, tends to
identify people who own a full Star Trek outfit complete with Vulcan ears, and
can recite verbatim, complete scripts for any given episode of ST:TNG.
(anyone catch the infamous SNL sketch with William Shatner?). And so it is with
Otakus and anime fans.

But the key point here is that the terms 'Trekkie' and 'otaku' are used in a
SELF-DEPRECATING way. People will jokingly refer to themselves as otaku or as a
Trekkie, and it doesn't really mean anything. However, one has to be careful
in using those terms with someone else. 

>the closest thing that we have in the US is a stigma of a psychotic heavy
>metal fan who listens to so called "satanist" groups. The equivalent of the
>Miyazaki case would then be the lawsuit against Judas Priest about a year or
>so ago.

I'm not familiar with the Miyazaki killings - anyone care to recap? But I think that this might be a little harsh - at least to me. The labelling of otaku-ism
seems to be mostly a derogatory sense - kind of a looking-down-upon, whereas
satanism is more of a fear/disgust sense.
>

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From: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
Subject: Re: We Need Anime in the Theatres
Reply-To: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 06:37:52 GMT


I'd like to see WINGS OF HONNEAMISE dubbed by known actors (not
necessarily stars, but actors that have been good enough to get
at least large supporting roles) and released in the US.  (Yes,
I know about STAR QUEST, but that wasn't exactly an honest dub.)

I really think that film has what it takes to win an Oscar.

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From: emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Barefoot Gen
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:32:34 GMT
Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, QC CANADA

In article <9207282122.AA09795@tmcpcnet.tmc.edu> Carl_Horn@library.tmc.edu writes:
>is an implied message here.  Why is it that every Japanese
>movie / comic / speech about the war that I am aware of dwells
>on Japanese suffering?
>

Keiji Nakazawa (from memory, hope the spelling's accurate) wrote the story
from his perspective: "Gen" is him, and he did go through what was presented
in that tale.

In any event, his message is about the evil of war.  It's not intended to be
specifically about Japanese suffering.

(Okay, I was going to avoid saying it, but I can't resist: the reason Japanese
refer to the war in terms of Japanese suffering should be obvious.  It's
probably the same reason Jews think of it in terms of Auschwitz, and why
Blacks take a dim view of pre-Emancipation and pre-civil rights America.  You
figure it out.)

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From: deitrich@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Dave Deitrich)
Subject: Re: two questions
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 02:58:11 GMT

cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner) writes:

>I remember the "Orbots" show, and it's not the one that was mentioned earlier.

>There were 5 'bots, a big strong guy (the torso and head), a skinny one who
>could turn into anything technological he wanted, a big fat one who could
>consume any kind of matter and convert it into energy (these were the legs),
>and a pair of female 'bots (well, they looked and acted female, anyway :> ) w
>had some kind of elemental control powers, usually used to fire the classic
>"energy blast" at an enemy...... 

>There wasn't a sixth robot, tho, like you mentioned. At least, not in the
>episodes I watched. 

Sorry, but that fits "Mighty Orbots" to a tee.

The big strong one was Red, White, and Blue, if I remember right (not sure on
this one).  The two female robots that formed the arms were orange and 
yellow in color.  One of the leg robots was blue, but I don't remember what
color the other one was.  And once they formed the robot, the Professor who
built them and his robot assistant would fly into the torso, and the small
robot would act as a key to activate the big robot.

This is either "Mighty Orbots," or something close enough to be fair game for
a lawsuit.

A few other things I remember about the show: there was a hot-looking (or at
least I thought so when I was younger ;) female patrol officer who loved
the "Orbot Commander," but barely noticed the Professor.  She didn't know
they were the same person.  This plot device...err, female officer...often
got involved in the cases the Orbots were on, and ended up getting rescued
several times by the Orbots.

I also remember one episode where the Orbots were framed and had to go to
Jail in order to draw out the real culprit.  Oh, the plot device...err,
female officer...got trapped and had to be saved again.

>Now, what always amazed me about the series was the fact that there was never
>any merchandising for it. -Great- show, lotta action, neat characters, good
>animation (for the time), but 1) It got cancelled real fast, and 2) it never
>produced any merchandising. Never even saw a poster or a lunchbox for it...

Actually, I was impressed with the fact that it wasn't merchandised, too.
Very admirable for the time...

Does anyone have any copies of "Orbots" still on tape?  I'd love to see some
of the episodes again.  It would be just like Saturday mornings back home! :)


Dave Deitrich
One o' the Guys in charge of JACK
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From: pearl@remus.rutgers.edu (Starbuck)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Lum, Nausicaa & Mai, FREE!
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:16:03 GMT
To: "Japanese animedia and other animation news." <ANIME-L@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU>

Hi!

I'd like them!  If you could mail them to me, I'd gladly pay for postage &
Handling!

Steve
From: vchan@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Victor Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: two questions
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 22:21:41 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Q1:  Is it 'Mighty Orbots'.  The smallest robot and the prof, I think 
were in the saucer and controlled the combined robot.  I think it was a 
joint US-Japan project.  It was on in '84 thereabouts on ABC network.

Q2:  Never actually seen Genesis Climber Mospeada but I know it has 
NOTHING to do with 'Robotech'.  It was Macek's idea to take 3 independant 
series and edit the storyline to in effect combine them into 'Robotech'.  
Ptui.

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From: okamoto@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Jeff Okamoto)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Animecon '93 date
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:44:57 GMT
Organization: An-Pan Man Headquarters

fafhrd@clubzen.fidonet.org (Dave Medinnus) states:

> Practically speaking, only holiday dates are feasable for ANY kind of 
> con, and the local (west coast) con schedule pretty much makes the July 
> 4th dates the only real feasible option, for either one of us.

What about San Diego Con?  They seem to do pretty well on their non-holiday
weekend dates.
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From: hsu@ecf.toronto.edu (HSU TITUS HENG-HSUEH)
Subject: Re: UY & AnimEgo (Was Re: New to Anime)
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:28:16 GMT

My experience with Urusei Yatsura started off on an extremely high note, by
some sort of luck (For which I'm glad).  I caught the the first couple of
episodes in Japan, which was just too funny for me at that time.  Ever since
then, I've always had a very good impression about it.  The next time I saw
anything, I saw two of the most popular TV episodes ever (The one with Lum 
trapped in parallel worlds and seeing various versions of Ataru, probably
ep.130, then the concluding episode of the story with Lum losing her memory 
from the UFO crash).  If that didn't do it, I followed up with the 3rd then the 2nd movie.  I think that made me an UY fan for life.  I must admit that I
also find some of those TV episodes were kind of...ahem...in production
quality, but the real good ones are also shockingly good.  As for the 5th
movie, I can't help comparing it to the original book, and I've always found
the original book vol.34 much better than the movie.  However it is, I admire
UY for coming out with some of the best movies and TV episodes all-time.
From: thmartin@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theresa Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Slogan #3 (AnimEigo co. slogan) entry
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:17:23 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Anime

U5A6B%WVNVM.BITNET@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU (Jerry Burchard) writes:
> I submit (drumroll here);

> 'Animation subtitled by experienced native craftsmen'

> Or 'craftspeople' if you prefer.

Heh.  How about:  "Japanese animation subtitled by veteran native
American master artisans."  :)
From: fafhrd@clubzen.fidonet.org (Fafhrd)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Anime Expo Green Room
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 02:06:19 PST
Organization: Club Zen BBS - Fidonet/Internet - +1 408 734 2289

And all of the reports I have heard idicate that Greg did an outstanding 
job at Anime Expo '92!

(And there was much applause.....)

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From: takahash@ntmtv.UUCP (Alan Takahashi)
Subject: Life (was: Re: KOR Questions.)
Reply-To: takahash@ntmtv.UUCP (Alan Takahashi)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:09:29 GMT

In article <gePJimq00WB281sm0J@andrew.cmu.edu> Hiroshi Haga <hh0u+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>In article <sePCpTm00awT0PHlRd@andrew.cmu.edu> hh0u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Hiroshi H\
>aga) writes:
>>>Hiroshi "Death to all Otakus" Haga 
>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Then you'll be among the first to die. :-)
>
>No, not at all.  After all I have a life.  I don't think anyone can
>call me Otaku if you know what that mean.
>
>Hiroshi Haga 

Hmmmm, a life?  Yeah, I've got one.  Too much of one sometimes, but
I've got one...

*That's* probably the reason why I don't do well in Anime Game 
Shows...  :-)

(And no, I don't have a Madoka Ayukawa poster in my office either! :-) :-))

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty 1/2)
Subject: Re: AnimeExpo Costume Contest/Masquerade
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:33:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.122944.874@agora.uucp>, wyvern@agora.rain.com (Mak-kuro Kurosuke) writes:
>   Does anyone know if they actually did show this over the hotel channels
> as claimed?  If so, then someone must have a copy.  (We DID go through this
> last year...)
>   Someone should post the Gamilon lyrics.

I tried to e-mail Walter Amos but I got no response, sooo:
- Could someone please post an article on the Masquerade?  What costumes
  were there?  How was the skit?  What was the skit?
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Subject: Re: Vampire Princess Miyu LD Question
From: Raul Romero <ROMBH@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 23 Jul 1992 14:00:19 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <1992Jul17.230457.14403@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, yjc@po.CWRU.Edu (Y H J.
Chan) says:
>
>Is the MIYU LD out yet? Where can one get it?
>
> Fading

Yes, I just ordered my copy from S & J Productions (800)232-6002

Raul
From: gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ryan P. Gavigan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Supernatural Beast City
Date: 27 Jul 92 03:51:52 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <BrzwMM.LHn@watserv1.waterloo.edu> rtang@sunee.waterloo.edu (The One Your Mother Warned You About!) writes:
>Has anyone out there seen, "Supernatural Beast City"?
>What do you all think of it.  Anyone willing to make a copy
>of it for me? (I'll provide tape and postage).  Also, I heard
>Streamline has the rights to distribute it.  I assume it will
>be a dub?  Correct me if I am wrong.  Anyone seen THIS version?
>Is it true to the original? Is it worth getting? 
>Any info will be appreciated.
>
The DUB doesn't start circulating til after Christmas in theaters, according
to Streamline.  It's american title is "Wicked City"


Ryan Gavigan
gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu

"...from Monster City or Supernatural Beast City, soon to be called 'Wicked
City' and soon to suck real bad."   Chris "the man" Keller from Anime Remote	
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From: scotth@hoshi.corp.sgi.com (Scott Henry)
Subject: Re: A tantalising question  (Kyoko weren't no virgin....)
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc, Mountain View, CA
	<1992Jul28.170653.25567@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> <7723@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:46:09 GMT


>>>>> In article <7723@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, rksuzuki@mott.seas.ucla.edu (Richard K. Suzuki) writes:

[...stuff deleted...]

rksuzuki> but I'm sure they got things right eventually....:) Since
rksuzuki> we're on the subject of virginity, I don't think it's ever
rksuzuki> directly stated but it seems pretty obvious Godai was a
rksuzuki> virgin until he married Kyoko (took, what...4 or so years?
rksuzuki> That's patience....)

At least in the manga, Godai was definitely *NOT* a virgin on their
wedding night. I don't know if he slept with anybody before than Kyoko,
though (my Japanese is pretty poor).

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From: michael@izumi.DIALix.oz.au (Michael Studte)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: AnimeExpoII & AnimeConII....answers, please.
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 19:13:26 GMT
Organization: JAFWA, Cal-Animage Zeta, Perth, Western Australia


In article <ZuN5NB2w165w@clubzen.fidonet.org> fafhrd@clubzen.fidonet.org writes:
 > > Mike Tatsugawa, AKA shogun: The busiest anime fan in the world!
 > > Chairman: Anime Expo '93:  2425 B Channing, Suite 684, Brk, CA 94704
 > > 
 > > mtats@ocf.berkeley.edu   shogun@sutro.sfsu.edu   shogun@sfsu.edu
 > 
 > Sigh. Mike, why don't you respond to my messages as quickly?

Did you by any chance write to him at "sutro"?? Apparently that
machine died again the other day.

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From: michaele@nsg.nsg.com.au (Michael Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: UY & AnimEgo (Was Re: New to Anime)
Date: 27 Jul 92 00:17:40 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Network Solutions Group / GEC Alsthom, Sydney

In article <v7fmq7f.akuma@netcom.com> 
akuma@netcom.com (Steven E Barnes) writes:
> In article <BrrEpG.HpF@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, 
> deitrich@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Dave Deitrich) writes:
>> 
>> That's why I'm really interested to see how AnimEigo will do with Urusei
>> Yatsura.  I know a lot of people seem to like the show, but it just gets
>> too strange for me.  I hope anime newcomers don't get "weirded out" by UY
>> and accidentally driven away (like Kevin almost did with BGC's maturity
>> level).  
>> 
>> Do many of you agree, or am I in the minority?  (...which I hope I am!  
>> I want to see AnimEigo do well, but I must admit I have my doubts...)
>> 
>
> I have always been puzzled about UY.  About 6 years ago, it was
> all the rage.  But when I was "running" a midwest club about two
> years ago, nobody seemed interested in UY.  Instead, the big thing
> was Dirty Pair (*gak*) (I mean, I had to watch all the episodes,
> all the OVAs; fortunatly, nobody had any of the movies).  BGC
> was also popular.

I suspect the reaction to UY depends on which bits get inflicted on you
first.  I saw the first couple of TV episodes and was seriously turned off
it altogether.  Far too wooden and made the Viz translations look good [if
anyone is offended by that last comment, I am more than willing to totally
retract it and problably will claim I never said it... put those
flamethrowers down please :-)].  

Robert Thompson from Melbourne Anime Club (Australia) made a few comments to 
me after hearing some of my less flattering comments about UY and suggested 
I look at some of the movies at least before I wrote it off completely.  I 
watched a fan-subbed version of the 5th movie...  and ordered the laserdisc 
of the 6th the day after.  

I suspect that a lot of people would have similar reactions to UY if it was 
the early tv episodes that they saw first.  In fact so far there are *no* 
TV episodes that I like...  [but then again I've only seen a few].  I've 
liked all the movies and OAVs I've seen so far.

Michael
From: canders@isr.harvard.edu (Carl E. Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Vampire Hunter D in the Theatre
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:49:25 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

In article <1992Jul30.024257.2040@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ryan P. Gavigan) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.145427.24641@burrhus.harvard.edu> canders@isr.harvard.edu (Carl E. Anderson) writes:
>>	Well I was _going_ to see Vampire Hunter D (the Streamline Dub) in
>>Cambridge, MA's Brattle Theatre last night at the late showing.  I got
>>there half an hour early and it was SOLD OUT!  I don't know, but I would
>>guess the earlier shows probably sold out too.  Geez, and it was only a
>>Tuesday night!
>
>Just a point of clarification, but the theatrical _Vampire Hunter D_
>is subtitled.

	Really?  Well shoot, now I wish I had seen it.  I better not tell
the other people I was with who missed it too - they thought they had
missed the dubbed version only, and weren't too sad about that (a number us
having seen the video a week ago or so) - they'd be pissed to know they
missed the subtitled version!

Cheers,
Carl

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From: michael@izumi.DIALix.oz.au (Michael Studte)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: KOR Questions.
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 14:46:55 GMT
Organization: JAFWA, Cal-Animage Zeta, Perth, Western Australia


In article <aZD7NB2w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> wfrey@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca writes:
 > >  > Am I the only person who does NOT like Kimagure Orange Road?
 > >  > Should I classify myself as an endangered species? :-)
 > > 
 > nope. Although I dont hate KOR by any means, I'm puzzled as to the well, 
 > adoration that the rest of the members of BAKA (my local anime club) seem 
 > to have for the series. Give me Project A-ko or the Dirty Pair anyday....
 > 
 > (ducking numerous electronic and in-person flames...:)   )

Well, it just means that you prefer action and straight out comedy
anime over more emotional stuff. I like it the same way I like The
Wonder Years, wonderful emotional memorabilia from a youth gone past.

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