HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: golight@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: are you people for real?
Date: 13 Dec 92 04:36:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1992Dec10.131135.21841@wam.umd.e:-357978650:peg:422800035:000:377
Nf-From: peg.UUCP!golight    Dec 12 23:36:00 1992


G'day Pam.... you say 250,000 is top's and then ask if it's
low...me thinks not for you & anyway what diff does it make?  Have
you ever experienced a time when you have knowingly been a equal
part of the whole universe?  At such time you know that there's no
requirement to hold numbers in ones head.  Try riding the light
sometime and juz experience!  Regards.... >:-] Photon
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
From: rsholmes@rodan.syr.EDU (Rich Holmes)
Subject: Re: Trip on Space Ship 3.
In-reply-to: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com's message of Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:59:57 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University
	<1992Dec10.223147.8044@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
	<1992Dec16.145957.599@acd4.acd.com>
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 13:39:27 EST

In article <1992Dec16.145957.599@acd4.acd.com> gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (<gvb@acd4.acd.com>) writes:

>In article <1992Dec10.223147.8044@beaver.cs.washington.edu> boesch@cs.washington.edu (Eric Boesch) writes:
[Humor deleted]
>I have heard loads of BS but never any that stunk as bad as this one.
>You need to do a little reading. HAMS do moonbounce all the time. Sorry
>but the space between the moon and the earth is pretty much a vacuum.
>The fact that satelites and interplanetary exploration craft
>us very LOW power transmitters (<10 watts) proves this to be just
>the opposite. 
>
>The fact that radio waves cannot travel in a vacuum really makes me worry
>about the SETI project. Maybe you should call them and explain this to them.
>Maybe they will say "Oh!! No wonder we can't finding anything out there."
>
>The fact is, radio waves travel the best in a vacuum. Wherever you got
>your Ph.D. should consider adding a class called Radio 101 or at least
>Electricity 101.
>
>At times the "Jupiter Protostar" gives people on the earth that are
>using radio more problems than the sun. I haven't the faintest idea
>what the word protostar means but with your lack of information on
>basic radio theory, I guess you don't either. 
>
>
>*LOOK*LOOK*LOOK*LOOK*LOOK*LOOK*LOOK*LOOK*LOOK*LOOK*LOOK*LOOK*LOOK*LOOK*
>
>Disinformation theorists: Here is your perfect example. PhD degreed
>person spouting confusing nonsese. Much like a lot of the info
>I read on this group. How can anyone have a PhD and not have grasp
>of basic radio theory? 
>
>Gregg.

That's it folks; it's official. Eric Boesch has won the 1992 Master
Baiter of the Year contest in a landslide. With a soon-to-be-regarded-
as-classic example of walking a fine line between hard science,
sarcasm, and total lunacy, he has pulled in one of the largest and
most sincere collections of "corrections" from persons utterly unclear
on the concept ever to grace the net. Congratulations, Eric! We'll be
sending your commemorative plaque soon, but we just know the string of
clueless replies was the best reward of all for your efforts.

--
- Rich Holmes
"Grown men, he told himself, in flat contradiction of centuries of
accumulated evidence about the way grown men behave, do not behave
like this." -- Douglas Adams
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Santa & Satan
From: Robert_Sutton@kcbbs.gen.nz (Robert Sutton)
Date: 13 Dec 92 11:00:26 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

In article <croth.20ys@terapin.com>,croth@terapin.com Charles Roth writes:
>Ever notice how the words Satan and Santa are basically the same?.Now 
>what does that suggest?.

timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com Fri 11 Dec 1992 20:02:17  replies---
>Nothing. Get a LIFE!!!!!!

Whose LIFE?
What about your LIFE?
Or wont any ole life do?
Could it be sold or rented out?
Or is it already(c)?

As for Satan & Santa....Other than a re-allocation of letters the only 
thing it now suggests to me is that atheists sometimes get hot under 
the proverbial collar about people who claim to believe in S deities 
they don't believe exist.

Anyway is it connected to Apollo 8 in some old/new way?
As I can't see any other connection with alt.alien.visitors..

************************                        
ARE ETOI SPACESHIPS SHY?
OR ARE THEY JUST WAITING
TO SEAL THE ROYALTY DEAL
*************************
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Of ETs and Classical Religion
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 06:54:46 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

Dear People: I found the information that was given interesting. The 
story of Lucifer (the devil) is an interesting one to me because
it has a lot to do with the past of most people on this planet.
John Winston.
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 06:32:56 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Person: Thanks for you comments. It might cause someone to think.
John Winston
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
From: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn)
Subject: Re: Trip on Space Ship 3.
Keywords: eat more mousse
Reply-To: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 12 Dec 92 01:28:10 GMT

In article <1gb966INN3kc@tamsun.tamu.edu> n029gg@tamuts.tamu.edu (Adam Roach) writes:
[ my crap deleted...]
>Hey, Kevin... I hear they're passing out clues at Target during the holiday
>season. Tell 'em you need one to help you rocognize humor; they'll be more
>than happy to help you.
>
Yo, Adam - Target is friggin out!  If traffic isn't too bad, maybe I'll 
brave the shoppers tonight on the way home...

Told you it was a bad Friday.  Didn't believe me, huh?


kbq

--
Kevin Quinn                         | kevinq@ingres.com
                                    | {mtzinu,pacbell,ll-winken,sun}!ingres.com
My opinions are my own.  Should you think otherwise, think again.
From: mcsdc1al@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop circles- a scientific approach
Date: 10 Dec 92 09:38:36 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <2318.479.uupcb@homebase.com>, joseph.daniels@homebase.com (Joseph Daniels) writes:
> To: darkshot@rock.concert.net (Michael B Garrett -- Chudys)
> From: joseph.daniels@homebase.com
> 
> MBG-C|My question: If someone is seriously researching this stuff, I think
>      |they should be aware of this technique so as to know when it has been
>      |used. Admittedly, we're no dummies- but if we could think of it, so could
>      |someone else- and I think it casts enough of a doubt on the studies done
>      |thus far to be worthy of thought/consideration. Don't you think so?
>      `--------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>      If what you claim is true. The British have a huge reward posted
>      for anyone that can produce crop circles. To date no one has been
>      able to duplicate them and collect the reward.

There's NO reward.  We used to make circles all the time and no-one gave us sod
all.  The KLF used to make crop circles and no-one gave them anything.  I think
crop circles can be writtenn off as a fake.


> 
> ---
>  . SLMR 2.1a . Mulroney's a "contact" man: a CON with no TACT!
>     
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...)
Subject: Re: STRANGE DREAM
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 20:55:00 GMT
Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center
Distribution: usa
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <ac!r=4g@lynx.unm.edu>, omega@triton.unm.edu (   --==[]==--   ) writes...
> 
> 
>I had a strange dream last night.  I don't understand it.  Someone 
>may care to comment.  It may just be an overactive imagination.
> 
>It seems I was involved with someone and we stumbled upon the fact 
>that the Government was supressing the operation of small commercial 
>enterprises that did lazer light technology research and development 
>projects.  We investigated.  It seems a form of hypnosis was being 
>used to control people.  I don't know who was behind the hypnosis, 
>or why it was being used.  The person I was with had become 
>hypnotised.
> 
>Then, I was laying down in a semi-conscious state and four humaniod 
>beings, about 5 feet tall, approached me.  I first noticed their 
>presence as one very large being, about 8 feet tall, of the same 
>sort, as it appeared a the door way.  It was like it was there, but 
>it was just an image, and then it was gone, and the little ones 
>appeared.  The beings really did not have bodies.  They seemed to be 
>light energy or some kind of energy holding a human form.  Their 
>color was a soft dull off white.  They moved swiftly, in unison, and 
>with intent.
> 
>I was fearful of the beings as I had never seen anything like them.  
>I felt that I was powerless, so I just laid there and allowed myself 
>to drift into unconciouness while they did what they needed to do - 
>to me, I presume.  I woke up to reality - about an hour ago.  This 
>was an otherwise normal day and night.
> 
>I am not involved in lazer light technology and to my knowledge I 
>have never had any alien encounters or seen anything of the sort.  I 
>am an entreprenuerial sort who considers an alien presence here a 
>possibility.  I am from New Mexico, and having lived in Socorro, I 
>have always found a facination with the incident there in the early 
>'60's.
> 
>Does anyone care to comment ?    Charlie.
> 
======================================================================
Comment: The train ran off the track again...
======================================================================
   We are rapidly ascending through prosperity to poverty...  Twain
                    Internet:    jim@apsicc.aps.edu
       Albuquerque Public Schools - Instructional System Manager 
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From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: cockatoo gears have dynastic ambitions
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:36:44 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

In article <1992Dec14.144445.2553@netcom.com> gooley@netcom.com (Mark. Gooley) writes:
>
>	He slipped into the farm-supply store costume.  It was comfortable.
>The hermits hooked up the power lines, the suicidal gerbils the gas line and
>the heating systems, and a staff was shipped, freeze-dried, from Missouri
>and reconstituted and equipped with the souls of residents of a local nursing
>home.  In a matter of hours he was open, and customers poured in from tanks
>of Liquid Consumer (tm) brought in oversea by camel caravan from Damascus.
>A few locals showed up to complain that they would never inherit from their
>ancient relatives; what with the transmigrations into shapely young salesgirls
>just out of high school, those relatives were now likely to outlive them.
>He chuckled at them inaudibly.
>	Next door a flying saucer fused the ground into a parking lot of
>smooth earthenware with yellow lines painted on in glaze, and he saw a
>lovely young woman put on a discount store costume.  Buddhist monks hooked
>up the power and gas lines, and cars appeared in the beautiful ceramic lot.
>The townsfolk were all ceramics freaks, and they came to admire.  He felt
>his business slipping away: only the unprofitable farm supplies still sold,
>and clothing and candy and household goods began to rot from age.  Local
>fads such as udder salve and distemper vaccine sold well, but that was all.
>In desperation he started a price war.  His salesgirls were beautiful but
>sexual relations with them were impossible in his form.
>	His neighbor consistently undercut his prices with a special undercut
>saw made by dwarfs in Belgium.  In greater desperation he began to give away
>much of his merchandise; she began paying people to take hers away.
>	One night he separated himself from his foundation and sidled over
>to her.  They got to talking and discovered that they had a lot in common:
>they had both been human once, they both sold things, they both purported
>to offer discount prices.  It was a night of retail-business passion, and
>in the morning they looked rather ragged and opened an hour late.  Sixteen
>months later she gave birth to her first branch.
>
>Mark., losing my touch
>gooley@netcom.com

This is significant.
From: stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Visualizing The Solar System
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:40:25 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <stone.724089260@cwis>, stone@cwis.unomaha.edu (Travis Stone) writes...
> 
> 
>Recently, a person named "Pam" (or "pam" in little bitty letters,
>like e.e. cummings) said that the largest number he/she could
>imagine was 250,000---or something of that order.
> 
>Another poster asked if anyone had tried to imagine the whole
>Universe, with it's mind-boggling immensity, and that got me
>to thinking about a mental picture I like to play with now and
>then which I'd like to share with you folk:
> 
>Picture (preferably in color, and not necessarily to scale) the
>Solar System, just like a still photograph.
> 
>Now, with the planets *not* spinning on their axes, picture them
>moving in slightly elliptical orbits about the Sun, all in the
>same plane.  Got it?  Good.
> 
>Now, picture the planets moving in their slightly elliptical
>orbits about the Sun, with the orbital planes slightly tilted
>with respect to one another.
> 
>Now, picture the planets moving in their slightly elliptical,
>noncoplanar orbits around the Sun, and add their spins about
>their own axes.
> 
>Now, picture the spinning planets moving in their slightly elliptical,
>noncoplanar orbits around the Sun with their moons revolving
>about them.
> 
>Finally, picture the spinning planets moving in their slightly
>elliptical noncoplanar orbits around the Sun, their moons whirling
>around them, and the planets precessing and nutating.
> 
>Quite a sight, isn't it?
> 
>T.R. Stone


I don't picture it in numbers either but in pictures like you do... but
you can't really 'see' it from the inside... you have to step outside
and look in to really appreciate it.
From: dfs30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Denise Solis)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: test
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:15:13 GMT
Reply-To: dfs30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Denise Solis)
Distribution: alt.alien.visitors
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


   Sorry all but I needed to do this....

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From: Jim.Atwell@f851.n800.z3.fidonet.org (Jim Atwell)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Contact Notes
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 14:11:00

In a message to All <07 Dec 92 15:47> Gvb@Acd4.Acd.Com wrote:


 Gv> Although I agree with him on most of his comments, Vallee has 
 Gv> trouble with the abduction scenarios put forth by Budd 
 Gv> Hopkins, DMJ and Fowler. He has trouble admitting that the
 Gv> overwhelming number of abduction experiences proves anything. 
 Gv> think this is mostly due to his lack of experience in this
 Gv> area. He goes after bigger fish like MJ12, Roswell and the 
 Gv> like. Although I am not sure we should take the abductions at 
 Gv> FULL face value, they are definately not due to hypnotic 
 Gv> leading or psychotic ramblings. Some may be but most aren't.

Hello Gregg,

Have you read "Secret Life" by David M Jacobs?

It is _FULL_ of leading questions used under hypnosis. Page after 
page after page of questions begging for a given answer. I was 
quite supprised by the lack of _science_ from a man with a Ph.D. 

Also bear in mind, although there is a huge quantity of abduction 
stories, probably 95% are coming from just a few "researchers".
These "researchers" make wild claims which they refuse to back up 
with evidence. This leads to the only reasonable conclusion being 
that there _is_ no evidence.

_If_ there is anything to the abduction phenomena, I feel that we 
will eventually find (after TRUE scientific research) that, like 
the UFO phenomena, there will be a huge (poss. 90%) _noise_ 
component, comprising of systematic (although possibly 
unintentional) leading of hypnotic subjects, phsych problems, and 
other causes.

Good luck with your ongoing research, and keep us all informed.

Regards,
          Jim Atwell          |  UFO Research (SA) Inc.
                              |  PO Box 281
          Fidonet             |  Blair Athol SA 5084
          3:800/851           |  Australia


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From: durocher@vangogh.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Phil)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: orientation of the group and dissinformation project Winston
Date: 13 Dec 92 06:31:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: McGill Research Center for Intelligent Machines, Montreal, Canada

Without any offenses to Mr Winston or whoever he is or work for, I would
like to know (and at the same time provide new comers to this group with same
needed info about) how to remove all postings related to John_-_Winston or any
other "contributor" for which I fell is taking too much 
bandwith and seemingly doing a good job at diluting the whole subject of ufo's.

There is enough people on the net that would like to see this newsgroup
with more serious, more objective postings, with subject closely related 
sightings, reports, experiences, facts on government continous close lips 
efforts, or doing published article reviews.

It is reasonable to link ufology discussion with a spiritual discussion 
as to look outward for aliens visitors we are also searching inward into our 
existence and purpose. However, I think there is enough going
on in the world right now to prevent dissemination of information related to
ufo (denial, dissinformation, secrecy laws, ...) to make the main purpose of 
this newsgroup one of providing an 
opportunity to disseminate first hand information in order to help everyone 
build an opinion supported by facts about the existence of alien races 
visiting or residing earth, and government or para-governement establishments
 dealing with it.

-- 
---
Phil Durocher                   McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
durocher@mcrcim.mcgill.edu      Computer Vision and Robotics Lab
                                McGill University, Montreal
Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:9257 alt.religion.kibology:5452
From: delancey@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Scott C DeLancey)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Trip on Space Ship 3.
Date: 17 Dec 1992 20:39:45 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: darkwing.uoregon.edu

In article <1992Dec16.145957.599@acd4.acd.com> gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (<gvb@acd4.acd.com>) writes:
[quotations of truly preposterous crap deleted along with refutations]
>>
>>Eric Boesch
>>PhD in Paraastronomy, 1987
>>Universitat Verbelligten, Bundesrepublik Deutschland
>>Hohenschreibersputnikfunksignalstrasse
>
>*LOOK*LOOK*LOOK*LOOK*LOOK*LOOK*LOOK*LOOK*LOOK*LOOK*LOOK*LOOK*LOOK*LOOK*
>
>Disinformation theorists: Here is your perfect example. PhD degreed
>person spouting confusing nonsese. Much like a lot of the info
>I read on this group. How can anyone have a PhD and not have grasp
>of basic radio theory? 
>
But LOOK*LOOK*LOOK again -- his Ph.D. is in "paraastronomy"!  I don't
know what "paraastronomy" is, but I have a baaad feeling about it ...
The fact is, there are some very odd outfits around these days selling
things they call Ph.D.'s in all sorts of cranky subjects, and even
some more established institutions have degree-granting programs in
some pretty funky areas.  (Another sad fact, though probably not
relevant here, is that it's perfectly possible to get a Ph.D. in
one of the humanities even from Harvard or the Sorbonne without
knowing jack-diddly about radio theory, or anything icky and
technological like that at all).

-- 
Scott DeLancey			delancey@darkwing.uoregon.edu
Department of Linguistics
University of Oregon
Eugene, OR 97403, USA
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Possible kill file uses
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 06:50:48 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Person: If you ever find out how to that let me know.
John Winston
Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:9144 alt.religion.kibology:5313
From: jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Another Goodbye
Date: 16 Dec 1992 13:36:36 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: gumby.cs.caltech.edu

But wait!  There's MORE!!

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: max@megatek.com (Max Elliot)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:28:59 GMT

From article <croth.2oyg@terapin.com>, by croth@terapin.com (Charles Roth):
>>This is incorrect.  Santa lives in a shopping mall next to
>>my office building.  I have seen him, and for a small fee
>>I can have a photo taken of Santa and me.
> 
> Ever notice how the words Satan and Santa are basically the same?  Now what
> does this suggest?

  Check out the new group alt.religion.santaism. (no joke)
-Max

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: rkrouse@netcom.com (Robert K. Rouse)
Subject: Fresh Air - Letter
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:22:57 GMT




I just wrote the the radio program Fresh Air about having on some 
UFO investigators that believe in actual contacts with intelligent
alien life forms:  I asked for David Hamilton, John Lear, Bill
Cooper and Timothy Good for starters.  The address is:

	Fresh Air
	Radio Station WHYY
	150 N. Sixth Street
	Philadelphia, PA 19106
	(215)351-9200
-- 
============================================================
  "No creature that is intelligent and with the right
   values is an alien to me."
						John Salter
============================================================
	Robert K. Rouse		rkrouse@netcom.com
============================================================
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Strange Tidbits
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 06:36:29 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)


Dear Folks: Thanks very much for putting the address of the people
who have information about the person who built the coral house.
I saw some of the information about him on TV a few years back although
I don't remember exactly when.
John Winston.