From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Followup: Chinese communists & Japanese Imperial Army
Date: 7 Sep 92 01:46:54 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

yunson@lpf.umd.edu (Yunson Du) writes:

>Gimme a break! I posted my first one with some sentences like: 
>"Dave MaLane posted numerous postings". You said you were 
>on vacation and so easily did numerous posting. Any help?
>Seems like you are not on vacation. What a lie!

Ooops, wrong time frame!  There were some weeks back in August where
I had a break. I thought you were talking about your recent post. 

>Not emotionally? Check your numerous postings. Also, if you 

Always being curious, I did. According to the articles on Aegis, the
top 10 posters to s.c.j. are:

 43: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
 26: ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura)
 18: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
 18: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
 17: miklg@acuson.com (Michael Goldman )
 16: blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
 14: yoichi@milton.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
 14: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
 10: kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim)
  9: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)

However my curiosity still isn't satisfied: what makes mine
are particularly emotional? 

>really want the fact of WW2. Don't just lazily sit there, or
>just talked with several people who can only represent 
>one-side story. Read some books, or go travelling in East
>Asia and talk with some other people (provided that you
>are rich enough to afford you this hobby). 

There are obviously many sides to any story. I'm only presenting
what seems to be sorely missing here: what ordinary people in Japan
think and not just what the govenment says they think. 

As for reading and traveling, right now I'm reading about
communicative patterns among human beings. No time for traveling
these days and, besides, all my spare money goes into supporting
Aegis. It's not exactly a hobby, but more of a full time avocation :-)

>Once again. Missing of soldiers (or civilians) is just s
>pretext of invasion. There were many wars like that: purpose
>--->buildup---->Missing---->Invasion. (like 1931 japan's invasion of
>Manchuria, China). Also if really CCP shot JIA, then Japanese
>government, which so eagerly want their people believe that
>the war is not wrong, would siad so publicly (the so-called
>secret document should be in Japanese government's hand).
>When did that version come up? I bet it is after 1949, when 
>Chinese Commie defeated Chinese Nationalists. That is reason
>for that version (my guess, though). Blah blah. 

Perhaps it was a pretext, perhaps it was only a good idea gone
wrong. I don't claim to be able to read other people's minds and
thus know for sure. All I know is that this is what the people I
talk with here say, and it makes as much sense as anything else. 

>Kind of strange that you didn't ask them rasons when they told
>you CCP invited JIA into China. You look like not that kind of
>person. The irrelevant vacation stuff even made you to do such
>a long seach. (I hope you have remembered when you said that
>and no further argument; I am a little tired with all this stuff).

In my post of Sep 2 I gave the reason:

  | Last week I made mention of how some people in the discussion groups
  | I lead said that the original entry of the JIA into China was at the
  | request of the then rebel, now current communistic government in
  | order to defeat the nationalists. Followup's asked for sources of
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  | their idea so I asked them for details this week.

Maybe I'm really as lazy as you say, but it does take a lot of time
to go back and find out exactly what I said. And, even so, I'm not
totally sure that it's what you're responding to. 

I hope you'll start quoting so this kind of confusion doesn't arise
again. 

Dave

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