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From: bobb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Demonic Christian Beliefs
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:38:05 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1992Oct7.124046.164732@dstos3.dsto.gov.au> jsm@ibis.dsto.gov.au (James Marcus) writes:
>
>I stated these other things because many, many people are already involved
>in them, not always realising what they are *really* getting involved with.
>Yoga and meditation are very common examples, and if you wish, I could
>provide some more information as to what actually happens when you involve
>yourself with them, and why they are inherently evil.
>

  How 'bout you just go away, and peddle this crap to a group of
  people who are ignorant and/or gullible enough to believe it?  Oh,
  and BTW: GET HELP!

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ 

Bob Beauchaine bobb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM 

"If I have to resurrect you, I'll resurrect you, whether you like it
or not!"
	 Paul to Jesus, _The_Last_Temptation_of_Christ_

"Above all, a god needs compassion"    James T. Kirk
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From: sieferme@stein.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman)
Subject: Re: What is "occult?"
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:51:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.125501.164757@dstos3.dsto.gov.au> jsm@ibis.dsto.gov.au (James Marcus) writes:
>ikonen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ian Konen) writes:
>
>This stuff about Satanists NOT worshipping Satan is absolute RUBBISH!
>Of course they worship Satan, and there is PLENTY of proof.  I will not
>elaborate now because there is too much to write here, but it will be
>presented in a later posting.

Are you the same person who wrote Richard Nixon's "secret"
plan to end the Vietnam War (y'know, the plan that never
meterialized)?

Stop being a total weenee and POST some of your devastating
"proofs".  After you convince me with your solid logic
and honest respect for facts, I'll post my proof
of Fermat's Last Theorem.

>
>Also, there are differences between Satanists and atheists, with the main
>difference being that atheists do not worship Satan (otherwise they wouldn't
>be atheists!).

Not bad.  You actually made a statement that is nearly true.
Keep up the good work!

>More to come later.

The suspense is unbearable.

>
>Yours in Christ,
>James.

Earth:  if you lived here, you'd be home now.

-- 
| Eric Sieferman            |    sieferme@u.washington.edu          |
| U. of W., M.C.I.S.        |    (206) 685-3104                     |

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From: rainerd@drunol.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Rainer Dickermann)
Subject: just another test
Summary: test
Keywords: test
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date:  9 Oct 92 09:05:23 GMT

test it !
From: bb099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Adam Trent Phillips)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Homophobia
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:18:00 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik) sez:
 
 
|In article <1992Oct9.171003.15616@news.yale.edu>,
|rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) wrote:
|> In article <1b4ec0INNg44@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bb099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Adam Trent Phillips) writes:
|
|> >	The majority of Christians are very hate full towards 
|> >Lesbians and Gay men (and Bisexuals too).
|> I'm not at all sure this is true. You have data to support it?
|
|I agree, speaking from my own experience living in Nordic countries
|Gay men and women have full liberties, even if the Lutheran church
|is the official state church. And the majority of the people belong
|to the church. 
 
    A factor would be what synod the church in that country is...
 
|
|I think it has more to do with your own private opinion, I know people
                                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|that are non-religious, and still don't accept homosexuality.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
    This is true too. I am looking to sort my numbers better, but it is
a fact that most mainstream churches are anti-gay. I think that my post
holds true for the USA, which is a VERY different place.
 
 
|Kent
-- 
"Speak to me in many voices, make them all sound like one.
 Let me see your sacred mysteries. Reveal to me the unknown tounge."--B.O.C.
A. Trent Phillips | bb099@cleveland.freenet.edu | alias: White Rook
aa1439@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu | NWROC Email: usr6418a@tso.uc.edu
From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: source of morality for atheists
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:13:09 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

No no.  Morality is not imposed from the outside--it is an instinct.  Of
course, outside influences can easily overpower your instincs, especially
since humas are so intelligent.  Other animals are not so easily corrupted.
Thus, we never observe an immoral animal (nonhuman animal, that is).

keith
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:12:57 EDT
From: <CXL121@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: O'Connor in Saturday Night Live
Distribution: world

In article <63P0RB1w165w@mantis.co.uk>, Tony Lezard <tony@mantis.co.uk> says:
>
>rolls@cis.umassd.edu (Frank Pinto) writes:
>
>> Would anyone comment on "Shaned O'Connor"'s actions
>> on the program "Saturday Night Live" this past SAT.
>
>Not everyone in the world can watch SNL when it is broadcast.
>What did she do?
>
Well, for those of you who missed it...Sinead O'Connor ended her a cappella
rendition of Bob Marley's 'War' by ripping a picture of the Poop (oops!, I
meant Pope) to shreds saying something to the effect of "fight the true evil."

In a later interview, Sinead stated [paraphrased] "if there was no organized
religion, she (and many others) would not have been beaten as children".
She went on to say that organized religion blinds [those nutty] theists from
seeing what can be had on earth by making them covet what is up in heaven.

NBC reportedly received over 5000 phone calls that night alone. Some high 'n'
mighty New York church officials thought Sinead needed "psychological as well
as spiritual help."

Oh, the irony!

Yours in logic,
-Chris
=============================================================================
Christopher J. Lemond  INTERNET:cxl121@psuvm.psu.edu BITNET:cxl121@psuvm
Penn State University - Electrical Engineering
DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
            Penn State...they are mine...but sometimes I disagree
            with myself.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:18:07 EDT
From: John A. Johnson <J5J@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Get your attributions right, Pinto (Was: Re: Great Proposal !
 <Bvpt1p.Gu9@umassd.edu>


In article <Bvpt1p.Gu9@umassd.edu>, rolls@cis.umassd.edu (Frank Pinto) says:
>
>Dear Johnson
>
>If we are dealing with logic here, then "LOGICALLY"
>no one can prove that something isn't.
>Can you prove that "snergs" do not exit?
>How ever, if one is to believe that something is...
>then the burden lays on the shoulder of the believer
>to substantiate his/her claim. Therefore you must prove
>with certainty, to me that, "this something" exits.

No shit.  Ex-squeeze me, but I made the same point in my reply to
reply to TJOHN when I rhetorically asked for a proof of the non-
existence of Santa Claus.  Your redundant comments should have been
directed to TJOHN, not me.  Furthermore, in a second post, you note
that specific depictions of a particular god that contain contradictory
characteristics constitute a form a self-refutation--in other words,
a proof of the nonexistence of that particular god.  Again, I said the
same thing in my post by refering to FAQ number 6.  Please read posts
more carefully in the future to see who is saying what.  Otherwise,
you end up directing criticism toward someone who agrees with you.
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Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: The Lord Cometh!
From: kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:24:42 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1992Oct7.044320.21712@netcom.com>, bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:
> iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski) wrote (in article <10951@spark.ed.ac.uk>):
>>I hereby declare that there is no god other than James Meritt.
>>I also declare that there is no god other than Colleen Davis.
>>(No, there is no contradiction.  God works in mysterious ways, you see.)
> 
> No, it makes perfect sense!  They're a duality!
> 
> And if we toss Elvis in there too, then we'd have a trinity!  But so
> far I haven't been able to figure out if any Elvisists think their
> Elvis is part of a trinity; they're always too busy speaking in
> tongues.  ("You ain't nothin' but a hound god...")

   Not so fast!  I object to including Elvis in a Colleen/Meritt dualism.
I think we shouldn't make this official until after the Second Coming.
Besides, I don't think I'd want all those Elvisites coming around and
drooling on the floor...

Yours in Colleen,
Karl
From: robert@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Rob Karmolinski)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Great Proposal !
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:37:01 GMT
Distribution: world, public
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department

sdoe@nmsu.edu (Stephen Doe) writes:

>Over in alt.vampyres, they are using the same sort of argument against
>people who assert vampires don't exist.  "Oh yeah?  You can't prove
>vampires *don't* exist, so there!"

>The parallel here *ought* to be painfully obvious.

>Cheers,

>Steve

    Aren't the stories of Jesus and vampires drawn from the same
mythologies?  Note all the references about drinking blood from
the body of Christ, etc.

    So, it should be obvious that the "you can't prove vampires/god
*don't* exist argument" is *equally* valid for both cases!


Rob
From: stuart@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Joseph Stuart )
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: What constitues evidence?
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:28:05 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <zlsiida.179@fs1.mcc.ac.uk> zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:
>In article <1992Oct4.190643.29894@oclc.org> jay@oclc.org (Jeff Young) writes:
>>"I think therefore I am".  Other than that, *nothing* is necessarily
>>true.
>And there are a few people around these days who aren't sure that ITTIA is 
>true either.  After all, just because something you call your conscious 
>awareness is monitoring a data stream which seems to have something to do 
>with what happens next (etc), doesn't mean there's necessarily any other 
>connection between the conscious awareness, the data stream, and what 
>happens next.  "You" may just be a convenient fiction.



I believe that I hear the faint swishing of Occam's razor as it descends to
shred this argument.   I can see the gleam of it's edge as sentences fall
into the abyss of uselessness.

scott

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From: ebolog@elaine.ee.und.ac.za (EDWIN BOLOGNA : THIRD)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Great Proposal !
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:31:10 GMT
Organization: Electronic Eng., Univ. Natal, Durban, South Africa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pc56.ee.und.ac.za

In article <1992Oct06.134011.16927@bnr.ca> bcash@crchh410.BNR.CA (Brian Cash) writes:

>In article <ebolog.10@elaine.ee.und.ac.za>, ebolog@elaine.ee.und.ac.za
>(EDWIN BOLOGNA : THIRD) writes:
>|>
>|>Atheists are always saying that God does not exist and laugh away any proof 
>|>Christians use to prove His existence.
>|>
>|>So here is my proposal : You prove to us that God does not exist!
>|>
>|>And please don't use your usual irrational logic and childish insults!
>|>
>|>Please post your replies so that other people may also read them or if you 
>|>feel embarassed mail it directly to us at (TJOHN@ELAINE.EE.UND.AC.ZA).
>                                      ^^
>|>
>|>Many Thanks for any logical and well thought out arguments.
>|>
>|>      Cheers from E.B.
>              
>The difficulty in proving that God does not exist is usually in the
>vague definition
>of God.  Are you refering to the possability of ANY diety, or  do you
>have a religion
>in mind?  Atheist's tend to put the burden of proof on the believers,
>and this makes 
>sense:  YOU are asserting an idea (God), so YOU should show it is true.
>God is not taken as a "given fact" that people must come up with a way
>to reject.
>People are not responsible for "disproving" things that are not known by
>the senses
>(dieties, UFOs, ghosts, sub-atomic particles, black holes, etc).
>Most athiests feel that God does not exist because the proofs are invalid
>(see COLD FUSION).
>My philosophy class went over several proofs for and against the
>existance of God,
>and we went through each one and tore them to shreads.  If a "proof"
>existed either
>way, the opposing side would be a lot smaller than it is today.

>BTW God does exist.  She should be getting back on the Net soon (I hope).

>In Colleen's Name,

>Brian /-|-\


>PS  Who is "us"?

>==================================================================
>Burden of Proof is a Bitch, ain't It?


Well God did provide us with a manual that tells us a lot about how we came 
to be and got to what we are today - yes you guessed it, its the Bible.

Now the Christians have proof that He exists, do you have proof that he 
doesn't - or are you just saying He doesn't because you can not see Him.

You cannot possibly tell me that you do not believe in something just 
because you do not understand it! If you are saying that you would have not 
believed a computer, TV, satelites, etc. existed.

"US" is TJOHN@ELAINE.EE.UND.AC.ZA and myself.

PS please respond to the group or to TJOHN.

Cheers.
From: kmr4@po.CWRU.Edu (Keith M. Ryan)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: The Lord Cometh!
Date: 9 Oct 1992 16:18:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: kmr4@po.CWRU.Edu (Keith M. Ryan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, darist@bluemoon.rn.com (david stroop) says:

>From: x@beyond.one's.understanding (The Messiah)
>Message-ID: <x.35.718245257@beyond.one's.understanding>

>You assert that you have been in contact with "someone."
>The burden of proof is on you to prove what you say is true.

	I think you have missed the point. This was obviously a joke.
Look at this person's "address". Come on, doesn't it reek of humor?
I don't think this person actually believes the he/she is the messenger
of god. 
-- 
	Mr. Bush has the dubious distinction of the second largest tax
raise in US history; right behind Mr. Reagan. They're the real slickersters,
with their theivery fingers in our wallets, with a grin and a gleem in their 
eyes.   What a "no new taxes" bastard.
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From: rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: What is "occult?"
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:34:44
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge Mass., USA
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In-reply-to: mikel@Apple.COM's message of 7 Oct 92 16:18:20 GMT

In article <73157@apple.Apple.COM> mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins) writes:

   One angle I've seen (though not among Satanists per se) is to argue
   that, if Satan is the king of this world, and if he is the Great
   Deceiver, then the version of events depicted in the Bible must be a
   lie (since the Bible exists in this world, where Satan is king), and
   therefore the god in the Bible is really Satan, and the being it
   refers to as Satan is really God. I don't personally know anyone who
   takes this argument seriously, however.

Great answer to anyhow who tries to pull Pascal's Wager on you, though.
--
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From: NETOPRWA@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu (Wayne Aiken)
Subject: Re: O'Connor in Saturday Night Live
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:31:59 GMT

In article <BvptsF.Jzx@umassd.edu>
rolls@cis.umassd.edu (Frank Pinto) writes:
>
>Would anyone comment on "Shaned O'Connor"'s actions
>on the program "Saturday Night Live" this past SAT.
 
Here's my comment:  <CLAP> <CLAP> <CLAP> <CLAP> <CLAP> .....
 
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From: 6500null@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Null Cypher)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Demonic Christian Beliefs
Date: 14 Oct 92 04:19:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.173335.19203@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:

>*Groan* Not another one...

>You most certainly can disprove the existence of something without being
>omniscient.  Square circles are the usual example; read the FAQ.  I don't
>have to look at everything in the universe (and thus use omniscience) to check
>that no single thing in the universe is a square circle; instead, logic allows
>me to refer to whole groups of things at once, so I can say "Hm, that seems
>to contradict.  Everything in the universe has noncontradictory attributes.
>Guess there isn't any square circle anywhere.  I don't have to start searching
>the Andromeda Galaxy to make sure I didn't happen to miss a square circle
>somewhere."

Technical note:  There is such a thing as a square circle.

Consider a two-dimensional plane, with points represented as (x,y).

The Euclidean metric states that the distance between (x1,y1) and (x2,y2) is:

    dist = Sqrt [ (x1-x2)^2 + (y1-y2)^2 ]

Now instead of the euclidean metric, use the following metric:

    dist = max { |x1-x2| , |y1-y2| }

(note that this notion of distance follows all the rules for a metric:
      d(z1,z2) >= 0, d(z1,z2) = 0 iff z1=z2, triangle inequality.       )

Now, a "circle" is the set of points that are a certain distance (the radius)
away from a given point (the center).  In our new metric space, this
circle is in the shape of a square.
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From: bb099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Adam Trent Phillips)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: ....
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:55:42 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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<AMS176@psuvm.psu.edu> sez:
 
|Beware of GOD
|                         Antony Mikael Schiffbauer
 
 
	I hope you are joking. if not, get a life, your mental.
-- 
"Speak to me in many voices, make them all sound like one.
 Let me see your sacred mysteries. Reveal to me the unknown tounge."--B.O.C.
A. Trent Phillips | bb099@cleveland.freenet.edu | alias: White Rook
aa1439@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu | NWROC Email: usr6418a@tso.uc.edu
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From: ebolog@elaine.ee.und.ac.za (EDWIN BOLOGNA : THIRD)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Great Proposal !
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:17:11 GMT
Organization: Electronic Eng., Univ. Natal, Durban, South Africa
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In article <1asor6INNo0u@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bb099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Adam Trent Phillips) writes:


>ebolog@elaine.ee.und.ac.za (EDWIN BOLOGNA : THIRD) sez:
> 
> 
>>Atheists are always saying that God does not exist and laugh away any proof 
>>Christians use to prove His existence.
> 
> 
>>So here is my proposal : You prove to us that God does not exist!
> 
>    There is no such thing as a spirit, or a "spiritual realm".
>The "realm" where "God" is supposed to exist is not real. If "God"
>is supposed to be a spirit, and spirits do not exist, then neither does
>"God".
> 
> 
> 
>>And please don't use your usual irrational logic and childish insults!
> 
>      When an old book that says I should be killed just because I
>am bisexual, and am very attracted to cross-gendered people, THAT is
>something I call irrational. Can you rationalize the reason I should
>be killed because my lover might not be a member of the opposite sex ?
> 
> 
> 
>>Please post your replies so that other people may also read them or if you 
>>feel embarassed mail it directly to us at (TJOHN@ELAINE.EE.UND.AC.ZA).
> 
> 
> 
>>Many Thanks for any logical and well thought out arguments.
> 
> 
>        Your Welcome.


>-- 
>"Speak to me in many voices, make them all sound like one.
> Let me see your sacred mysteries. Reveal to me the unknown tounge."--B.O.C.
>A. Trent Phillips | bb099@cleveland.freenet.edu | alias: White Rook
>aa1439@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu | NWROC Email: usr6418a@tso.uc.edu

Well, do you really think it is right?! I mean the main purpose of sex is 
reproduction - even though there is a level of enjoyment involved. Any 
emotional feelings you have for a person of the same sex must just be as a 
friend and not be confused with lust. There is nothing wrong with loving a 
person of the same sex as long as you do not have any sexual desires for him.

Cheers.
From: bb099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Adam Trent Phillips)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: FYI: God and Aids
Date: 7 Oct 1992 15:28:58 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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	How can you trust someone who says "God said it, the bible
proves it, that settles it" to give you the straight (pardon the pun0
facts on ANYTHING ?!?!!?!?


-- 
"Speak to me in many voices, make them all sound like one.
 Let me see your sacred mysteries. Reveal to me the unknown tounge."--B.O.C.
A. Trent Phillips | bb099@cleveland.freenet.edu | alias: White Rook
aa1439@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu | NWROC Email: usr6418a@tso.uc.edu