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From: simona@panix.com (Simona Nass)
Subject: Psych Student Seeks Child Abuse/Headstart/"At Risk" Info
Summary: information request
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:57:29 GMT
Distribution: us
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC
Keywords: psychology graduate doctoral student child abuse headstart At Risk
Followup-To: poster

Posting the following for a friend:

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  
                                                                               
        I am a doctoral student in psychology, and I am looking for any/all
information available on any of the following subjects:

   1) Child abuse
   2) Headstart programs
   3) "At Risk" children

        Information about BBS's, electronic conferencing, journal articles
or references, archives, etc. will be very welcome.  I am particularly 
interested in treatment modalities or therapies for these populations.

        Any help at all would be greatly appreciated!

                                                 Thank you,

                                                 David Salmansohn

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Appreciate replies by e-mail. Will summarize if there's interest. -S.
-- 
Disclaimer: I am not an attorney, though I do have an opinion on everything.
     (     simona@panix.com    or    {apple,cmcl2}!panix!simona     )
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: This Whole Deity Thing (Was ---'s Family Values)
From: civl097@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:33:44 +1200
 <daved.711831468@convex.convex.com> <1992Jul24.195815.21023@ttinews.tti.com> <1992Jul25.213343.25177@newstand.syr.edu>
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <1992Jul25.213343.25177@newstand.syr.edu>, kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
> The following thoughts were expressed recently regarding a reply to one of
> the "Family Values" posts...

[...text deleted....]

> ..to Dr Spock, whom I follow r-ligiously," so why do we get so bent out of
> shape when someone says, "According to this particular passage in the
> B-ble, which I happen to believe r-ligiously..."?  What is it about
> mentioning G-d that brings out such animosity in some of us?  Could
> someone please clue me in?

In my case, my animosity arises because I see people's claims about what god
wants, as a threat to me. Attempts are made - sometimes successfully - to make
laws which impact on me, based on what somebody thinks god wants.
If these people want to delude themselves into believing grotesque fairy 
stories, which is what I believe the christian story is, then thats fine.
When it spills over to effect me in someway, I'll react, if necessary
with animosity.

Brandon Hutchison,University of Cnaterbury,Christchurch
                  New Zealand
From: judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Re:Going out when ill (was: Re: Nanny sharing input wanted
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:55:27 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <9207281916.AA27027@panhed.psc.edu>, grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant) writes:
> ....
> By far, stress and paranoia, IMNSHO, is much worse than viruses.  And
> the only way to keep children from catching things is by isolating all
> people that come in contact, either directly or remotely, in a sterile
> environment (I think I saw this in a movie once ;-) - and therefore
> dying of starvation because germs also can be spread on food packaging.

This is not true.  My son was sick constantly while he was in daycare
for seven months starting at age 2 months.  I'd go in and see all these
little kids with snotty noses drooling all over everything and putting
the toys in their mouths and I would just cringe.  The daycare washed
the toys in a bleach solution at the end of every day and was very
conscientious about washing their hands before feeding and after every
diaper change.  However, this didn't help my son.

I took my son out of the daycare and kept him at home at 9 months, and
he hasn't had an ear infection since (he's now 3).  He's gotten sick a
few times, but in daycare he was catching something every two weeks.

At around 2 1/2, Jordan's resistance to illness became much stronger.
He can now be exposed to a cold or other virus and not necessarily 
catch it.  He also no longer puts everything in his mouth.  He's going
to preschool in the fall and I'm no longer so worried about his getting
sick all the time.

I always heard that you have to face kids' getting sick and building
up their resistance eventually.  I do think you can minimize this by
trying to avoid exposure when they're babies and putting everything in
their mouths.  I also personally would rather have to deal with a sick
4- or 5-year-old than a sick 4- or 5-month old.  My daughter who is
now 6.5 months old does NOT go to daycare and has been sick only once
so far.  I am very careful about exposing her to illnesses, and when
I compare her first six months to my son's first six months, I can
categorically say that my efforts have been worth it!!!

Judy Drake
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Otoscopes for home use
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:49:38 GMT
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.

In article <22574@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> smergen@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Sandra Mergen) writes:
>
>My older daughter (22 months) has had 14 ear infections so far.

Oh, the poor kid.  Oh, the poor parents!

I post this every few months: if your child suffers from chronic ear
infections, try eliminating dairy products from the diet for a couple
of months.  A growing number of ENTs are trying this before resorting
to tubes or long-term antibiotics, and it often works.

In addition to the obvious milk, cheese, and ice cream, watch out for
processed foods that contain milk or milk-by-products such as casein
and whey.  Health food stores are a great source of soy-based
alternatives.  Try different brands; they vary a lot, and some are
dreadful.

Lactase won't help, because the problem is a true allergy, not lactose
intolerance.

Good luck.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Budgeting for Baby
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:00:54 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <TIGGER.92Jul19215237@satyr.Sylvan.COM> tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan) writes:

   It doesn't cost us nearly that much. Not even the first year. About
   $2000 in monthly expenses and $210 in carseats and highchair.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Oops, I didn't write that very well:  $2000 for the whole year, in
expenses that were 'monthly'. Things that carseats and highchairs and
large toys also do need a budget, but you don't need to buy one for
every baby (necessarily).
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92
=======================
I'm a mammal and proud of it!

4 month old Robin weighed 17.5 lbs, 25.5 inches tall, solely breastfed
by 'supermomcow' :-)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: diane@camden.uswest.com (Diane Diesh)
Subject: Re: cotton sleepwear
Reply-To: diane@advtech.uswest.com
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:15:36 GMT

After the Stork now sells 100% cotton long underwear that is flame-retardant.

-- 
Diane Diesh
diane@advtech.uswest.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine)
Subject: Brestfeeding and surgery (again)
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:56:53 GMT

Just an update for those who responded to my questions on breastfeeding,
surgery, and vacation.  I had the surgery July 3, and did end up
getting a general (they did not know how much of me they were going
to take out before they cut me open).  That was really the worst part,
because I had to pump milk for 24 hours to get the drugs out of my
system.  It also took about 10 days before I could really breathe
normally, for some reason.  I did not take many painkillers after the
surgery though, and was able to resume breastfeeding Anna once the
drugs from the general anesthesia were clear from my system.  The
hospital was really great about supplying me with a breast pump and
about giving me "safe" painkillers, though.  And my family visited
frequently.

The really tough part was that Mark and the kids left on vacation.
I know we should have fought the airlines harder to get the tickets
changed, but there comes a point where you just don't have the energy
to do things.  Anyway, they left on Wednesday, and I hand pumped for
two days.  On Friday I flew down -- I just barely made it.  *Never*
fly a week after abdominal surgery if you can help it.  I am healing
really quickly, but that flight gave me a big setback.

Fortunately for me, my daughter is fairly persistent, and really
wanted to continue nursing.  Even though my milk supply did take
quite a drop during the time the family was separated, we have been
able to regain what was lost and things are back to normal now.

Now if only I could figure out how to sleep on my stomach again ...
:-)

-- Misty
From: CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: misc.twins
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:06:40 GMT
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering

What's happening with misc.twins?
Thanks,
Teresa
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:05:21 GMT
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.

In article <2A7490E8.2F9E@intercon.com> ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry) writes:
>In article <5154@transfer.stratus.com>, kdj@sw.stratus.com (Ken Jordan) 
>writes:
>> I don't understand your entire meaning above and I don't think I want to.
>> However, Christian religion has not harmed children.  Perhaps your childhood
>> or those around you who had difficult childhoods blame it on religion. I'm
>> sorry if this is your lasting impression. 
>
>Bullshit.  I can cite you hundreds of examples of the xtian religion directly 
>injuring children (and adults for that matter).  If you like, I'll start 
>gathering them all and posting them to the net.  
>
>> Your .signature is inaccurate.  There is no such thing as an atheist (see
>> Romans 1), but there are those who are unenlightened.  Remember, you can
>> only serve one master!  If you are not serving God, who are you serving?
>
>YOU seem to be the inaccurate one.  My god says that there is no such thing 
>as a xtian.  Only those who are unenlightened.  I suggest you enlighten 
>yourself immediately and begin the worship of Eris.

This is exactly why so many of us hate to see religion brought into 
discussions in groups like misc.kids.  With few exceptions, religious
discussions very quickly get out of the "here's how we do it" vein, and 
into "you're all going to Hell, and my God can beat up your God" snits.

Could we cool it for a while?  Can we all get along here?

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: seb1@leia.dr.att.com (sharon badian)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Why do we do it?
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:04:53 GMT
Reply-To: seb1@druhi.att.com
Organization: Bell Labs, Denver, CO.

In article <19573@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
|> The doula at Jordan's birth kept surprising me with information I
|> didn't know, but being told helped.  Everytime I moved and was
|> rewarded by an _incredibly_ painful contraction, she'd remind me that
|> "changing positions makes the contractions feel stronger".  It really
|> helped me remember that they'd calm down (a bit) once I stayed still
|> for a little while.

We were told this at our childbirth class. We were also told that you should
change position every 30 minutes because labor goes faster (those harder
contractions are doing something!). By changing your position you are also
changing the spot on your cervix where the baby's head is hitting which
causes it to dialate faster.

I guess from what our instructor said, changing positions doesn't just make
them feel stronger. They ARE stronger. She also said this is one way to
distinguish false labor from true labor. If you change positions and the
contractions fade away, it wasn't the real thing.

-- 
Sharon Badian
AT&T Bell Labs - Denver
seb1@druhi.att.com
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Thanks + Question re: Sharing between one-year-olds (LONG)
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:44:24 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

In article <23304@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj@alice.att.com) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.163746.10839@scubed.com> mona@scubed.com (Mona Ellis) writes:
>>   As the mother of a 22 month old I got a kick out of this.  Actually
>>   there seemes to be only one Property Law for almost 2 year olds.
>>
>>     1.  EVERYTHING IS MINE.
>You forgot the "all mine!"

The favorite around our house from Jeffrey (2.3333 years)

	That isnt *your* toy, Mommy!

This is said about things like the vaccum cleaner, mail, ball point pens, etc!

Laura Floom
From: judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:34:17 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <seS061_00WBN425ZB3@andrew.cmu.edu> lm3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Laura McGinnis) writes:
>On 29-Jul-92 in Re: Use of drugs during labor
>user Clare Chu@nynexst.com writes:
>>  Just curious, have you experienced both epidural
>>  pain and labor pain?  Perhaps you can tell us which
>>  is better.
>
>I have experienced both epidural & labor pain recently (7 weeks ago) and
>highly recommend putting up with the temporary pain of the epidural
>insertion in exchange for the longer relief from the labor pain.

I don't understand why people had pain with their epidural insertions.
I got a local at the site of my epidural before the catheter was
inserted, so it was basically painless.  As the anesthesiologist
was adjusting the cathether, it touched outside the limit of the
local, so I did feel a twinge or two, but it didn't really hurt
too much.

I can see that it would be awful to have to sit still for the
insertion if you were having strong labor pains, but I didn't have
to do that.  I got my epidural while my contractions were still
pretty mild.

I'm with Laura, though--the experience of the epidural insertion is
nothing compared with what transition labor can feel like!

Judy Drake
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Blood types - Mother&Father
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:06:09 GMT


In article <92208.182127JLB155@psuvm.psu.edu>, Jennifer Brown <JLB155@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

|> Second, I've heard things about babies who are born from parents who have
|> opposite RH factors.  The worst possible (supposed) thing that could happen
|> is that the mother is negative (like me =-( ) and the first baby is positive,
|> and the blood mixes sometime during the pregnancy, and the mother's blood
|> developes antibodies towards the negative.  Then, if the second child or
|> any after that are also RH positive, the antibodies in my blood will fight
|> against the child being in my womb.
|> 
|> In other words, complications, possible miscarriage?, babies with
|> handicaps, etc.

My mother is B-, I am B+ as is my older brother.  I was
born in 1956, before there was a treatment available to
the mother (given after the birth of the first child, I
believe.)  I had a complete transfusion at birth, and
my parents used to joke that I had been given gorilla
blood in exchange (that was before I hit puberty!)
I think I turned out OK.

I don't think the RH factor difference is anything
to worry about these days.  Do you have a gynecologist?
A doctor you would see if you got pregnant?  

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Car seat question summary
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:43:06 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <9207302119.AA06709@fieser.brynmawr.edu>, chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu (L.E. Chirlian) writes:
|> 
|> 	3) All the people who answered whose children weighed >20lbs
|> before they could sit continued to keep them rear facing in a
|> full-sized car seat at least until they could sit up if not longer.  

What about an 18-pounder who sits well? Is it okay for her to be facing 
forward? This is my friend's baby, and she loves facing forward. She's
eight months old.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Strep B?
Date: 22 Jul 1992 20:50:02 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <1992Jul22.162658.28734@keps.kodak.com>, mbb@keps.kodak.com (Maureen Busch) writes:
|> ...the doctor
|> did not administer the test because he "didn't believe in it"!!!

He probably didn't believe in it because of the cases where the test 
came back negative and then the infection occurred anyway, somewhat 
later. He may not have been as negligent as this sounds! It's an 
unfortunately murky area, this strep B infection business.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu (L.E. Chirlian)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Thanks
Date: 30 Jul 1992 16:23:06 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


	My thanks to everyone who's posted in response to the flame
about my daughters name.  I have to admit I was taken aback by the
comments and really didn't know how to answer.  Seeing all your
responses really brightened an otherwise awful day.  

		Lisa (who feels that Libby can do whatever makes her
happy when and if she decides to marry!)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Lisa Chirlian                                  chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu
 Department of Chemistry, Bryn Mawr College, Bryn Mawr, PA 19010
 (215) 527-9361
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From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:21:06 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

In article <MMEYER.92Jul29135846@m2.dseg.ti.com> mmeyer@m2.dseg.ti.com (Mark Meyer) writes:
}In article <14rg5bINN341@iraul1.ira.uka.de> stoesser@i31s21.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser) writes:
}>I'm an anarchist, atheist, pacifist, and vegetarian.  This does _not_
}>mean that I'd bomb kings, worship Satan, let soldiers bleed to death,
}>or eat fish.
}
}In article <1992Jul27.123950.3014@titan.ksc.nasa.gov>, doug@doug.ksc.nasa.gov (doug hammond) writes:
}> Do you want an award?
}
}	Doug, it's a bleedin' .signature file, that's all.  I honestly
}can't see why you felt compelled to respond to it.  It's like a Vice
}President complaining about a fictional character.

Sshhh.  No doubt he'll want an award, too.



-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
From: jws@hp835.mitek.com (Jeanetha Wemken)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Things we swore we'd never do!
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:01:28 GMT
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX

In article <9207310124.AA06903@fieser.brynmawr.edu> chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu (L.E. Chirlian) writes:
>	
>	This morning, I was horrified to find myself doing one of
>those things always hated as a child and swore I wouldn't do to my
>_own_ child.  What was it you ask?  Well please don't judge me too
>harshlly but....
>
>	I washed a bit of smeared food off her face by licking my
>finger and rubbing!
>
>	Anyone else out there have any confessions?
>						Lisa
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Lisa Chirlian                                  chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu
> Department of Chemistry, Bryn Mawr College, Bryn Mawr, PA 19010
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

Oh, Yes!  I admit to this.  This is the test of being a Mother: to
spittle or not to spittle... I thought it was GROSS when my mother did
it to me, but I just can not stop myself from cleaning that darling
face of that last smudge of _________. :-)
From: rrg@rtp (Rhonda Gaines)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Fetal heartrate as a prediction of sex??
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:11:43 GMT
Organization: FiberCom, Inc., Roanoke, Virginia


I can't remember whether this was discussed recently or not (I guess
the mind goes right after the body at 31 weeks :-)).  What are the
ranges of fetal heartrates?  More specifically what is the range for
a girl and for a boy?  For how many of you has this been an accurate
predictor in determining the sex of the baby?  I go back to the OB 
Thursday and I'm going to ask him the heartrate this time!

 -thanks
  rhonda

P.S. Thanks for all the info on freezing expressed breast milk.  If
anyone's interested, I can email the info to you.  Also re: the
discharge problem, whatever it was I haven't had the problem since
at least the 19th, so I'll assume it's *definitely* not amniotic
fluid.  It has been really hot here and maybe the sweat (it doesn't
take me long to get overheated when I go outside) and discharge got
mixed together and gave it the urine smell.

-- 
Rhonda Gaines              INTERNET: gaines@fibercom.com
FiberCom, Inc.             UUCP: ...!uunet!fibercom!gaines   
P.O. Box 11966             PHONE: 703-342-6700 or 800-423-1183 x291
Roanoke, VA  24022-1966    FAX:   703-342-5961
From: pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin)
Subject: Re: Protein Traces in Urine
Reply-To: pt@geovision.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:56:24 GMT

elg@elgamy.sccsi.com (Eric Lee Green) writes:

>From article <l6om4kINNfrn@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>, by michelle@cs.utk.edu (Michelle):
>>       Just had a check up today and this month (as last month) protein
>> is showing up in my urine.  They didn't say anything about it, but I
>By all means question your doctor about this. However, it is most probably
>a result of pressure on the kidneys (from the growing fetus), rather than a
>kidney infection or something else that you should be very worried about.

Ah - how do I say this?

Could the protein in your urine be semen?  

I've looked at urine samples in a microscope (I was a summer lab intern),
and it's amazing how many sperm cells you see in women's urine...

-- 
Paul Tomblin, pt@geovision.gvc.com
(This is not an official opinion of GeoVision Systems Inc.)
In our innermost soul, we are children and remain so for the rest of our lives
    --  Sigmund Freud