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From: starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr)
Subject: Re: Open container law -- intent (was Re: info on open ...)
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:13:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.212642.20871@csccat.cs.com> larry@csccat.cs.com (Larry Spence) writes:
}In article <1992Aug18.043236.12985@genie.slhs.udel.edu> starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr) writes:
}>
}>Even I can see that this law would be of little use for either wine bottles
}>with corks or screw-top alcoholic beverages like some wine coolers, beers, and
}>malt liquors.  They'll just replace the tops!
}
}As I understand it, if the seal on the bottle/can has been broken, it's
}technically an open container.  Do you know of a method for getting the
}cork out of a wine bottle without leaving any marks?

Assume that the cork has been replaced so that its top is flush with that
of the bottle.  Then it would be hard to prove that it had been opened, since
checking the cork would require marking it up by opening it once again.  A
forensic examination might do the trick, but would the cops want to pay that
price?  This is even easier with the corks which have plastic knobs on top -
they're quite easy to replace - easier than plain corks, which I haven't
ever seen replaced flush with the mouth of the bottle.  Screw tops remain
a feasible escape from being caught breaking this law.

}I believe Texas still allows _passengers_ to have open containers, but
}not the driver, which seems utterly unenforceable, unless a policeman
}sees the driver taking a drink... Several years ago, even the driver
}could drink, as long as he/she wasn't legally intoxicated.  This was
}explained to me as a holdover from days when it was a concession to
}West TX farmers who wanted to drink a cold one while driving to market
}on those super-hot TX summer days.

In CA, the law is that open containers aren't permitted in the front seat(s),
but they are allowed in the back seat(s) if there are any.


Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! - Think Universally, Act Selfishly

"True greatness consists in the use of a powerful understanding to enlighten
oneself and others." - Voltaire
From: bower@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Tyson Bower)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: archives
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:19:21 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Land of UD

FTP SITES 

     The following is list of Internet sites which have FTP access to
files related to alt.drugs.  To use them login via FTP as 'anonymous': 

jyu.fi [130.234.0.1] (eloranta@jyu.fi)
   /pub/alt.drugs:  archived articles since 25 Apr 91, FAQs, .gifs
 --==>this is the main archive site for *ALL* alt.drugs postings<==--
ftp.u.washington.edu [128.95.136.1] (lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu)
   /public/alt.drugs:  misc alt.drugs related material, FAQs
lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.36] 
   /news/alt/drugs:  last several days article for those without USENET access
rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.1.12]
   /soft/kommunikation/news/spool/alt/drugs:  same as lcs.mit.edu
pit-manager.mit.edu [18.72.1.58]
   /pub/activism:  has constitution of US, Bill of Rights, etc
ftp.eff.org [192.88.144.3]
   /pub/academic/civics:  Government addresses, constitution, Senate fax#, etc
think.com [131.239.2.1]
   /pub/libernet:  Libertarian Party and Fully Informed Jury Amendment

     If you don't have access to FTP because you are on a uucp/Fidonet/etc
network there is an e-mail gateway at ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com that can
retrieve the files for you.  To get instrutions on how to use the FTP
gateway send a blank message to ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com with one line
containing the work 'help'. 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Jamaican study shows no cognitive harm from MJ
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:14:27 GMT

: "We must preserve the integrity of our children and establish social norms of
: behavior to facilitate the development of our population. 
: 
: "To enact legislation on the basis of spurious data is highly irresponsible. I
: cannot support this. I will continue to fight against having ganja legalized,"
: the NCDA head said. 

If course, he jumps from the possibility of data being cooked to the conclusion
that the data is spurious. Standard for the course.

Who gives a shit about the facts - a few peoples personal morality is more
important. Right?  At least, that appears to be the case for Davidson. What
an ass-hole.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs,soc.culture.usa
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Satanic Crime units?? Re: WoD: Frontline Report
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 02:17:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.133116.12929@news.cs.indiana.edu>, hagerp@moose (Paul Hager) writes:
>	Dale mentioned, in passing, that he had been investigated
>for being a "mass murderer."  How bizarre, I thought.  I sort of
>jokingly queried, "Did someone think that you were killing babies
>and using their blood in your drug-crazed, Satanic rituals?"  Bingo!
>In fact, the state's Satanic Crime unit WAS investigating him for
>the catchall "Satanic Crimes".  This is part of the drugs and Satan
>propaganda that has been hyped by the religious nut fringe.  I'll
>not bother to detail how Satanic Crime units have pullulated in
>state and local jurisdictions around the country, nor about the
>mindless hysteria that has driven this phenomenon -- both _The
>Humanist_ and _Skeptical Inquirer_ have done so in great depth.

Are you actually serious?  Is this kind of thing really happening?

I must be having a time warp to the witch hunt era.

//Jyrki
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Yohimbe
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:04:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.220151.18078@ctr.columbia.edu> locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (SCOTT C LOCKLIN) writes:
>>>Question: Yohimbine (from the yohimbe bark) is supposedly a potent MAO
>>>inhibitor.
>>
>>No, it's not.  It's a alpha-2 adrenergic antagonist.
>
>Actually (now that I have some refs in front of me) it IS a MAO inhibitor, your
>fact may be true; I know not what you speak of.

And what refs are those which you have in front of you?

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
From: jamesp@cs.uwa.oz.au (James Pinakis)
Subject: Re: Naked Lunch
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Western Australia.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:52:26 GMT

I'm currently about one third of the way through a Burroughs biography called
"Literary Outlaw" (it's over 600 pages long!) and have just gotten to the
bit where he shoots his wife.  It's an entertaining book and I recommend it
to anyone who wants to know more about the man.  I'll hopefully have finished
it by the time the movie starts here on Sept. 11 (we really are in the
antipodes over here...).

james
From: labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: The Lubeck Lecture - Part 4
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:36:01 GMT
Reply-To: labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

I'd like to thank Ralf for translating and entering this thread!
Here, here, as the English Parliament would say. thanks ralf

Maurice
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Strychnine!  It's all true!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:27:11 GMT

noah@Cadence.COM (Noah Ruiz) writes:
: >
: I was just wondering what causes the major stomach pains and such a
: high almost ODing on speed feeling????? I was always told it was
: strychnine!! I can really give a shit about all you people making
: such a big deal about if its in LSD or not. I just want to know
: what causes these unpleasant feelings!!!!!! Its not that all LSD
: feels this way,but alot of them do! Just a question thats been on
: my mind since high school!

How about ergot complexes left over from the synthesis of the lsd?

It is also possible that a partial contribution to these symptoms is
that you expect them. 

Bill
From: atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Jamaican study shows no cognitive harm from MJ
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 09:14:12 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>>But chairman of the NCDA, Dr. Winston Davidson, has challenged the study -- 
>>on the basis of common sense, he says 
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>A.k.a. political conventional wisdom.  This guy claims to be a scientist?

Try getting government funding to do research on drug use, the environment,
or climate, if you are known to be a dissident from the Official Position on
such statist bugaboos as "reefer madness, "global warming", "acid rain", or
"ozone depletion".  And with the productive (private) sector trying to
make ends meet after paying 48% of its earnings in federal, state, and
local taxes, try getting private funding for research.

After nearly a century of "Progressive" agitation for big government, this
is the INEVITABLE outcome.  What you see is what you get.

Can you say "Lysenkoism"?


    Alan T. Furman         | VOTE LIBERTARIAN!!  Marrou/Lord in 92!!
---------------------------+----------------------------------------
  atfurman@cup.portal.sig  |   (800)682-1776 for more information
From: ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Tobacco/nicotine FAQ (1st try)
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:55
Organization: Private Coherent 3.2.1 site waiting for 4.0

Some answers to FAQs concerning tobacco/nicotine:

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Nicotine content of various tobacco sorts (Nicotiana tabacum and N. rustica)
varies between 0 and 15 per cent. Those plants containing 1 to 3 per cent
are taken for tobacco production for smoking.

Most cigar or cigarette tobaccos contain 1 to 2 % nicotine while some pipe
tobaccos contain even less than 1 % of it.  If one estimates the lethal
dose of nicotine as 60 mg [another source gives 40 to 60 mg], already
3 grams of tobacco can be deadly if they are eaten or the whole nicotine
is resorbed by the body. With dried tobacco leaves, the lethal dose is
300 to 500 g with horses and cows, 30 g with sheep, 5 to 25 mg with cats
and dogs. Even snuff tobacco can be deadly if it is eaten by whatever reasons
and 1 to 3 g are enough.

In 1697 the Duke of Conde had invited the poet Jean de Santeul to his castle.
When they were drunk the Duke put snuff in Jean's glass and demanded that he
emptied it. Jean died after two days and under great pains.

A usual cigar of 4 g weight contains about 1.6 % or 65 mg nicotine. This is
about the lethal dose. But the cigar is smoked, and not eaten, so 10 to 30 %
of the nicotine burn down in the 500 to 900 oC burning zone, another part
goes in the air, an important part goes in the mouth but is blown out
immediately, big amounts of nicotine accumulate in the stump which is thrown
away, so that only 1 to 4 mg enter the body.

After an experiment, given a 1 g cigarette containing 1 % nicotine and
smoking it every 20 seconds, one takes up 0.2 mg nicotine with mouth smoking,
0.4 mg with blowing through the nose, 1.5 mg with moderate inhaling, and
3 mg with deep inhaling.

A smoker died after smoking 40 cigarettes and 24 big cigars within 24 hours.

------------------------------------------------------------

--ralf
-- Telepathy is just a trick:  once you know how to do it, it's easy. (nh)
From: amex@nsq.uucp (Toronto)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Robo
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:35:30 GMT
Reply-To: amex@nsq.uucp (Toronto)
Organization: NSQ

Hello.
 
I have read a lot of "experiences" of Robotussen DM (Robo) but I have read
no information on how "bad" it may be for you.  I have to imagine there is
some reason for me NOT to try it, despite the stories of how fun it can be.

I've allocated some time.  Should I?

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (SCOTT C LOCKLIN)
Subject: Re: mace / nutmeg
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:18:45 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <?-190892083143@129.59.50.0> ? (?) writes:
>In article <9208190055.AA09022@ccsg.tau.ac.il>, liron@CCSG.TAU.AC.IL (Liron
>Kapara) wrote:
>> 

>		Well, as I understand it, the reason you feel something from nutmeg is
>because it anesthetizes your lungs -- it "freezes" them.  This also happens
>to be damaging, and therefore something you might generally want to avoid. 
>From those who do it, I get the general idea that smoking nutmeg really
>isn't worth it.
>		As for effects & dosage, I haven't tried, so I can't say.
(FLAME)
First of all; the primary active ingr. is Myristicin (with some saffrole &
other nasties in for good measure).
Second; you're supposed to eat it; the dose is around 5g's so you would have
a lot of fun smoking this.
Third; it causes delerium, nausea etc. Also Saffrole is a carcinogen.

For whatever reason, I also know people who have smoked the stuff, they report
no effects other than headache and nausea (but  I could have told them that).

Freezes your lungs? WHerever did you get that info?

-Scott (urban Shaman)



Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dl@cockatoo.bellcore.com (Daniel Liebster)
Subject: conn. supreme court and cocaine moms.
Organization: Morristown Research and Engineering
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 13:17:36 GMT


This article reprinted without the authors permission..`

r a AM-CocaineMother     08-17 0371
^AM-Cocaine Mother,0370<
^Court: Cocaine Use Shouldn't Automatically Terminate Parental
Rights<
^By LISA MARIE PANE=
^Associated Press Writer=
	   HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) _ A pregnant woman who used cocaine hours
before she had a baby should not have had her parental rights taken
away, the state Supreme Court ruled Monday.
	   The baby, now 3 years old, was put in foster care almost
immediately after birth when doctors found evidence her mother had
used cocaine.
	   Lower courts had ruled the mother's parental rights should be
terminated because of abandonment and the absence of any
parent-child relationship.
	   But the high court said the state cannot terminate parental
rights based upon a woman's conduct during pregnancy. The court
also said the mother was unable to establish a relationship with
the child because the state had taken the baby away.
	   In 1990, the Legislature passed a law that encouraged treatment
programs and counseling for pregnant women with drug problems, but
balked at mandating drug tests and forcing medical personnel to
report suspected cases of drug abuse by pregnant women.
	   The court said its task was ``to determine whether the
Legislature in enacting (the law) intended it to apply in a case
such as this. We do not believe that it did.''
	   Court records said the baby's mother injected a quarter gram of
cocaine about nine hours before giving birth. At birth, the baby
showed classic signs of cocaine abuse, including trembling and a
piercing cry.
	   The court's decision ``is going to be a traumatic experience''
for the child, who has spent her life with the same foster family,
said Jewel Gutman, the lawyer for the child. ``I assume this child
feels this (foster) family is her natural family.''
	   Since 1987, at least 164 women in 26 states have been arrested
on criminal charges because of their behavior during pregnancy,
according to the New York-based Center for Reproductive Law and
Policy.
	   Most involved allegations of drug use by pregnant women, and the
charges ranged from child endangerment to delivering drugs to a
minor. The American Civil Liberties Union says, in all but one case
as of last month, charges have been dismissed or the woman has won.
	   AP-DS-08-17-92 2221EDT<
From: jamesp@cs.uwa.oz.au (James Pinakis)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Manufacture of LSD
Keywords: WEEKLY ANSWER TO alt.drug's FAVORITE QUESTION!!!
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:45:00 GMT
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Western Australia.

In <168fmgINNlaq@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> snozer@cats.ucsc.edu (PlasmaNeptunoid) writes:

Joe's ranting deleted...

>This analogy can indeed be used to compare the situation on alt.drugs, 
>but I believe you're leaving out an important part of the question. 
>The question asked on alt.drugs was basically "If LSD is so hard to
>make, who makes it?"  The person already knew that the general response
>was that it's really hard, so he padded his question with what he'd like 
>to know as a backup, just *who* makes it.   The proper question for
>comp.sys.ms-dos would be somewhere along the lines of, "I know it's really
>hard to design 486 computers, but could someone just explain how? It 
>couldn't be that hard, otherwise who makes them?"  And the heavenly 
>voice of Joseph Long could come down and say succintly, "Intel."

Exactly.  It's a question I've often wondered myself.  I'll rephrase it in
the hope that we can get some sensible responses...

Given that LSD is very hard to manufacture, what type of people manufacture
it?  Are they people with degrees in chemistry, or people who learned the
process from someone else?  Are they graduate students in chemistry who
sneak into the labs late at night?  Is the equipment so specialised that
it's only found in well equipped laboratories or is it possible to do it
at home?  Are there many different processes for doing this, and if so,
what are the advantages of one over the other (in terms of the effect of
the final product, no details of the chemical impurities are necessary)?

You see, there's a lot of information that can be provided that we couldn't
find from a library.  There's a lot of information you can provide without
having to resort to posting chemical reactions and recipes.

james
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Subject: Re: Photosynthesis Philosophy.
Keywords: Red, Blue, Black, Light, & Help.
Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:26:33 GMT

jscsp@acad3.alaska.edu (Chris Parker) writes:

>Using the ideas in _The_complete_guide_to_growing_Marijuana_, one assumes 
>a plant needs 'Red' and 'Blue' rays to grow, right? Well, a FOAF claims
>that an ultra-violet light is the most perfect place to get blue rays from.
>FOAF also says : ultra-violet light = Black light. <- Truth? Not Truth?

   The ideal wavelength for photosynthesis is around 400 nm. The colour of that
wavelength could be best defined as "violet" or "blue". (I'm a little colour
blind so don't trust me completelely). Another good wavelength comes at 700
nm or so, but it is not as good. That's where red is.
-- 
Jani Heinonen                  "The worm is not psychoactive."
jah@mits.mdata.fi                 --David A. Honig
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.psychoactives
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: DM Hydrobromide vs. DM Polistirex
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 22:18:26 GMT

In article <anderss.713915238@epx.cis.umn.edu> anderss@epx.cis.umn.edu writes:
>What is the difference between Dextromethorphan Hydrobromide and 
>Dextromethorphan Polistirex?

Dextromethorphan hydrobromide is the usual preparation,
a salt of dextromethorphan base and hydrobromic acid (HBr).
It works immediately.  30mg suppresses cough for about
8 hours.

Dextromethorphan polystirex is a complex of dextromethorphan
base with an ion-exchange resin, essentially a large polymer
(plastic) with lots of negatively charged ionic groups to bind
the protonated dextromethorphan positively charged ion.
When you swallow Delsym, the name of the commercial preparation,
you are swallowing a bunch of ground-up plastic granules which
will tend to release dextromethorphan slowly over the period it's
in the gut.  A sufficient quantity of dextromethorphan polystitex
(equivalent to 60mg of dextromethorphan HBr) will suppress cough
for more than 12 hours.

You should really see a doctor about that cough, though.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: akuma@netcom.com (Steven E Barnes)
Subject: Re: Open container law -- intent (was Re: info on open ...)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 19:09:34 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 



I'm a bit unclear about the law.  Does it only apply to alcohol?
Or does this mean I'm breaking the law when I drink a can of soda
while driving?

-steve
From: lkriho@psych.colorado.edu (Lora Kriho)
Subject: Protest of Zero Tolerance Laws in Boulder, CO
Summary: Protest at Yello Sub Restaurant, Sat, Aug 15, 12noon to 5pm
Keywords: zero tolerance boulder
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:10:09 GMT

	On Thursday, July 30, 1992 the DEA seized the business account of the
owner of the Yello Sub restaurant on the Hill in Boulder.  The account was
seized under the Federal Forfeiture Act after an employee was arrested for
allegedly selling illegal drugs through the mail.  
	However, the DEA has not filed any charges against the owner of the
restaurant.  And they have no evidence linking the account with the alleged
drug mailings.
	Furthermore, the DEA never notified the owner that his account had been
seized.  He discovered it after his checks began to bounce.
	These seizures are happening all over the country.  If you, or someone
you live with, or even someone that works for you, is arrested on drug-related
charges, your home, your business, and your money can all be confiscated
without due process of the law.
	No longer are you innocent until proven guilty!  
	Citizens must fight back at these un-Constitutional laws.  The DEA is
obviously trying to test the waters in Boulder to see how much they can get
away with.  We need to stand up to them now and let them know that we will not
meekly stand by and let them violate our rights and destroy our neighbors'
lives.
	There will be a protest and eat-in at the restaurant:

		Take a Bite Out of Fascism
		Saturday, August 15
		12 noon - 5pm
		Yello Sub
		1215 13th Street
		On the Hill
		Boulder, Colorado

	Please spread the word! United, we can fight this flagrant disregard of
our Constitutional rights!		


Sponsored by the Boulder Hemp Initiative Group and the Boulder County
Libertarian Party.

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (SCOTT C LOCKLIN)
Subject: Re: Yohimbe (MAOI, alpha2 andrenergic antagonist or ??)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:48:26 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <37070@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> tcederqu@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Trevor Cederquist) writes:
>
> 
>Additionally, Dyer answers:
> 
>>No, it's not.  It's a alpha-2 adrenergic antagonist.
> 
>
>	I just checked medline quickly.  I got it as an
>	alpha 2-NORandrenergic antagonist (3 references.)
>	I crossed refernced with MAOI and got no records.
>	
>Trevor C. Cederquist

Look, I don't care what the label is, some of us (like me for instance) may
not be psycho-pharmacologists and hence not know what the interaction
precautions for 2-NORandrenergic antagonists are. If they are the same as for
MAOI's then say so! If not, list the precautions!
This posturing with big technical words helps nothing (except perhaps your
ego); some information on 2-NORandrenergic antagonists would be the useful
thing for this newsgroup.

-Scott

Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.guns