From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: VMSMAIL: %MAIL-E-NOTISAM (file organization changed)
Date: 13 Nov 1992 00:08:03 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
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In article <1992Nov12.200152.11582@dxcern.cern.ch>, aimar@dxbt00.cern.ch
(Alberto Aimar SL/BT tel 2564) writes:
>  I just wanted to sincerely thank all the people that have
>answered to my posting, mailing me and giving good advice.
>
>But I also got a very unpolite answer (the only one) who was posted by
>carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) to whom I explain how he
>could have used his spare time in better ways then posting useless insults.
>
>As most of you will not care about Carl's problems, please just type
>"n" and skip the rest.
>
>
>
>                              
>Sincerely Alberto Aimar.

Of course, should you wish to reply to Aimar, you needn't bother.  Our boy
genius has managed to set up a mail forwarding loop for himself.
>|>>And in fact now all the MAIL commands do not work anymore and complain:
>|>>
>|>>%MAIL-E-NOTISAM, operation cannot be performed on non-ISAM message file
>|>
>|>Well, your last claim, at least, it a lie.  Only SOME operations in MAIL
>|>require an ISAM file.  Other operations might fail, but not with the status you
>|>claim.  If you're going to lie to us about the problem, why should we take
>|>the trouble to help you?
>Do you know what a lie is ? I wasn't telling lies.
>The fact that I don't know very well the MAIl and Ihaven tried all the commands
>does not mean I lie about it ?

You said ALL commands don't work.  You lied to us when you implicitly claimed
that you'd tried ALL commands.

>I did my best to explain BRIEFLY the problem and everybody else that could
>help did it (without your arrogance).

Other people have also tried to explain BRIEFLY what the problem is.  Most
actually know enough about what they're doing that they include all pertinent
informationl.  Some are clueless enough that they omit important information.
It takes someone of outstanding stupidity to provide false information in the
interest of "brevity."

>And you really think you are a step above God ??

No, but especially with the mail forwarding loop you've set up, seem to be
several steps below an idiot.

>Come down, poor fella..........nobody is perfect (but you).

I don't claim to be perfect.  I *DO*, however, make an attempt to provide
all pertinent information, and to provide it accurately, when I impose on
someone for help.

>Why did you bother to insult me ?

Because you came close to setting a new record for most ludicrous post ever to
comp.os.vms.

>Why you did not skip my posting ? Or answer privately ?

Because your post gave a very good example of how NOT to ask for help.

>You know ?
>Very many people answered with a private mail and where very helpful.

My response also gave a guess as to how you might fix your problem, or at least
figure out more about it.  By the way, did any of the "helpful" responses
actually allow you to fix your mail file?

>|>>How can I changed the file organization of the .MAI files?
>|>>Or what trick/tool/command can I use to recover my .MAI files ?
>|>
>|>Don't use any operations that depend on FOLDERS.  E.g., you CAN'T use DIR/FOLD,
>|>or SELECT, but you CAN use DIR, and you can read messages by number.  You can
>|>use the command: "COPY/ALL MAIL file_name" to create a new ISAM message file
>|>and then all the MAIL operations will work again.

>I had all my mails of folders.

That's supposed to be a sentence?

>So all the commands that I tried, only the ones I tried, just not to tell
>you another lies (RUhappy?)Again: everybody else, but you, understood it.

No, I'm not happy, because you still don't seem to understand that knowing
which command (if any) still worked and which failed with other statuses, and
which went off into infinite loops, etc. would be quite useful in diagnosing
your problem.

>|>If what I've suggested doesn't work (and I doubt that it will, but it's the
>|>best guess I can make given that you've lied to us about what your actual
>|>problem is), then repost, BUT THIS TIME TELL US THE TRUTH ABOUT HOW MAIL IS
>|>ACTING, turkey.

>Ehi God, calm down ok ?

No, I won't calm down.  You asked for help, but you:
	1)  Omitted important information (exactly how did you move the mail
	    file back and forth); and worse
	2)  Gave us incorrect information.

>Seeing  your kind of reaction to my request for help I would liek to suggest
>you something can I ?

>        ``Carl, my dear, why dont you go to see a good doctor ?''

May I suggest something to you?

	Alberto, you clueless moron, why don't you learn something about
		computers.  And while you're at it, fix the mail forwarding
		loop you've set up.  If you haven't been receiving mail
		recently, that loop would explain it.

P.S.

In case you want to ask why, this time, I didn't respond privately, it's
because you managed to guarantee that no mail could reach you.  What a genius.
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Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

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organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
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