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From: detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.misc
Subject: Re: Bob Dornan on Bill Clinton - IMPORTANT
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:10:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

dedek@meaddata.com (Mike Dedek) writes:

>In article <Oct.4.01.08.38.1992.21416@andromeda.rutgers.edu>, detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio) writes:
>|> 
>|>      Your can either ask for Rep. Dornan's office or staff, or attempt
>|> to reach your own.  This information must be presented to the American
>                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> public, and the events which occurred there must be researched and
>|> addressed by Bill Clinton.
>   ^^^^^^^^^
>Why?  Do you agree that if so, information on Bush's knowledge of Iran-Contra 
>and sales of weapons to Iraq "must be presented...and addressed by" Bush?

If there is information to be presented, yes there should be an answer on
both questions.

>Do you feel that allegations of extramarital affairs "must be presented...
>and addressed" by any candidate subject to said allegations?  Do you feel
>that allegations of cutting down a cherry tree as a child "must be presented...
>and addressed"?

Bill Clinton's actions IMO has confirmed his affair, if other candidates
should be required to respond has to be taken on a case by case situation.

George Washington admitted what he did.



-- 
---------------------------------
     David De Trolio
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(detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.misc
From: dedek@meaddata.com (Mike Dedek)
Subject: Re: Bob Dornan on Bill Clinton - IMPORTANT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:16:45 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <Oct.4.01.08.38.1992.21416@andromeda.rutgers.edu>, detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio) writes:
|> 
|>      Your can either ask for Rep. Dornan's office or staff, or attempt
|> to reach your own.  This information must be presented to the American
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> public, and the events which occurred there must be researched and
|> addressed by Bill Clinton.
   ^^^^^^^^^
|>      David De Trolio

Why?  Do you agree that if so, information on Bush's knowledge of Iran-Contra 
and sales of weapons to Iraq "must be presented...and addressed by" Bush?

Do you feel that allegations of extramarital affairs "must be presented...
and addressed" by any candidate subject to said allegations?  Do you feel
that allegations of cutting down a cherry tree as a child "must be presented...
and addressed"?

-Mike

Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.misc,talk.politics.misc
From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
Subject: Re: [talk.politics.drugs] Libertarian presidential candidate Andre Marrou on Larry King 10/12
Organization: The University of Tennessee, Knoxville
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:02:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.190014.23573@wixer.cactus.org>
reaper@wixer.cactus.org (Keath Milligan) writes:

>In article <1992Oct13.143743.1900@nntp.hut.fi> jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) wites:
>>
>[stuff deleted]
>>PS.  Andre Marrou is _adamantly_ opposed to the criminalization of drugs.
>>
>>--Gary
>
>And hence, the Libertarians continue to condemn themselves to obscurity.
>If the Libertarian Party EVER wishes to join the debates, they need to
>join the mainstream of America.

     Most drug laws, and especially how they are being abused, doesn't
fit into Libertarian (or even libertarian) philosophy.  Somehow I can't
find it in my heart to put them down for taking a position that is
an unpopular one and refusing to change it in order to boost their
"mainstream appeal."
     Isn't that exactly what politicians are blasted for?  George Bush
has often been blasted for changing his opinions every time he got an
opinion poll.
     Maybe it's time mainstream America was told that it was wrong and its
time to get its head out of the sand.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
David Veal     Division of Continuing Education Information Services Group
               University of Tennessee, Knoxville
               PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu
From: 75300.3115@compuserve.com (Clinton for President)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.misc
Subject: A First in Presidential Campaigns: Paying for Good Spin
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:43:13 GMT


 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE                        
 October 13, 1992                                    


                       YOU KNOW HE'S HURTING

       A First in Presidential Campaigns: Paying for Good Spin

     [Statement of Bob Boorstin, Deputy Communications Director]

      When it came to fanciful and bizarre campaign television ads, we
 thought we'd seen it all from the Bush campaign.

      But today's contribution adds new dimensions to the word
 desperate. You know you're really in trouble when you have to pay to
 try to convince people that you won a debate.

      Once he finishes paying for his spin, the ad turns back to what
 George Bush knows best: distorting Bill Clinton's plan.

      So at the risk of repeating ourselves -- and in contrast to what
 the citizens on the ad told the Bush cameras -- we repeat ourselves.

      Bill Clinton's plan will cut taxes on working families. The
 Clinton plan includes $60 billion over four years in middle class tax
 cuts and $12 billion in tax cuts for the working poor.

      Commenting on the Bush's campaign last ad to make such claims,
 The Wall Street Journal said, "...Mr. Clinton has proposed to cut
 taxes for the sort of [middle class] workers featured in the ad."
 [WSJ 10/2/92]

      George Bush and his admeisters can continue to talk about
 tax-and-spend. But that doesn't change the facts: the Clinton/Gore
 plan will cut $140 billion in federal spending, cut the deficit in
 half in four years, and give middle class families a tax cut of $300
 per child.

                             -- 30 --


Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.misc
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: TELL THE TRUTH, MR. PRESIDENT
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:56:05 GMT

In article 29378@life.ai.mit.edu, Clinton for President <75300.3115@compuserve.com> () writes:
>         "The American people should demand that their
>                  President tell the truth."
>                       -- Dan Quayle
>                       October 13, 1992

Other notable quotes from that date:

	"Yes it is!"
            -- Dan Quayle
            October 13, 1992

	"No it isn't!"
            -- Al Gore
            October 13, 1992

	"Yes it is!"
            -- Dan Quayle
            October 13, 1992

	"No it isn't!"
            -- Al Gore
            October 13, 1992

	"Yes it is!"
            -- Dan Quayle
            October 13, 1992

	"No it isn't!"
            -- Al Gore
            October 13, 1992

	"Yes it is!"
            -- Dan Quayle
            October 13, 1992

	"No it isn't!"
            -- Al Gore
            October 13, 1992

	"Yes it is!"
            -- Dan Quayle
            October 13, 1992

	"No it isn't!"
            -- Al Gore
            October 13, 1992
---
Richard Stueven        gak@wrs.com         attmail!gakhaus!gak        107/H/3&4
	Did William Faulkner have little creatures on his old typewriter?
	If so, they were the product of whiskey, which addles the brain less
	than cartoon creatures and menus and buttons that send messages to
	the screen demanding: "Abort? Quit? Try Again? Drop Dead? Exit? Go To
	Hell You Schnook?" - Mike Royko
From: van@teal.csn.org (Claude W. Van Horn)
Subject: Re: Help Please!  The trouble with Congress
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:59:39 GMT

z_totahmc@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
: Please.  Need help on paper entitled The Image of Congress by High School

: Students.  Secondary research bad need to have topic ideas.  May

Read the book ADVENTURES IN PORKLAND by Brian Kelly.  Lots of bibliographies
too!!


-- 
Claude Van Horn :  Magician, man about town, philosopher, Perot Supporter
                   Voice Mail Expert, and general good guy.
From: 75300.3115@compuserve.com (Clinton for President)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.misc
Subject: Three uploads -- PLEASE use the LAST ONE
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:07:10 GMT

Volunteers,

We have sent you three versions of our response to tonight's debate.  The
last one, the longest one, is the one to use.  Please erase the earlier
two.

Many thanks.  I am sorry for the confussion.

Regards,
Jock Gill
Clinton/Gore Email
From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)
Subject: Re: Americans! *smile*
Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:50:12 GMT


In article <20792@plains.NoDak.edu>, 
green@plains.NoDak.edu (Brad Green) said:

> This kind of drivel is just plain nonsense.  If this country is so
> bad, then why are Hatians braving the open sea in leaky boats trying
> to get here?  Why do people world wide clamor to get in?

Non sequitur.  That the United States is a desirable place to live
does not demonstrate that the United States is a morally good nation.

> Nope, I have no qualms about being proud to be an American!

Good for you.  As for me, I'm glad to be an American.  But not proud.

-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>

Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.misc
From: budd@playfair.Stanford.EDU (David Budd)
Subject: Re: RHETORIC VS. REALITY -- THE FIRST DEBATE
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 02:45:42 GMT

Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Stanford University
Keywords: 

More rhetorical b.s from the Clinton campaign. Firstly, his truly sloppy
translation of the Japanese "dojo." Sympathy and compassion are "synonyms"that
 not even Microsoft word would suggest. 

Also, having travelled in Asia, I would contend that the standard of living
there, including Japan, is one that almost all Americans would find unac-
ceptable.

Secondly, the continued use of Bush's "no new taxes" gaffe would be a good
one, if it came from someone else. "Slick Willy" with his continuing half
truths, untruths, and out and out lies "I never organized anti war protests
while in England" NOT! is hardly in any position to condemn.
Mr. Clinton, is it not true that in 1982, while campaigning for re-election
in Arkansas, that you promised never to commute the sentences of first degree
murderers, only to revoke that claim later? {Clinton made the promise after 
one of the men, a first degree murderer, whose sentence he commuted again 
murdered a citizen}

George Bush, on the other hand, was forced with a bankrupt government, bank-
eupted by HUGE spending, to compromise with a Democratic congress.

So please, "Slick," if I can be so familiar, cut the bull.
From: 75300.3115@compuserve.com (Clinton for President)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.misc
Subject: GEORGE BUSH AND ARMS-FOR-HOSTAGES: IT'S TIME FOR THE TRUTH
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:45:06 GMT


 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE             
 October 13, 1992                             

     GEORGE BUSH AND ARMS-FOR-HOSTAGES: IT'S TIME FOR THE TRUTH

    (Statement of George Stephanopoulos, Communications Director)

      It is time for George Bush to tell the truth about Iran-Contra.
 For six years, George Bush denied he knew about the arms-for hostage
 deal with Iran.  Today, he admitted he did know.

      For six years, George Bush has acknowledged he knew of the arms
 shipments to Iran, but not of the trade for hostages.  He has
 maintained, despite an avalanche of evidence to the contrary, that he
 was "out of the loop" and did not learn of the arms-for-hostage deal
 until December 1986.

      In 1987, George Bush was asked if he was comfortable with the
 personal role in the Iran- contra affair.  He replied it was proper
 to reach out to Iran, but "if this includes arms for hostages, that's
 wrong.  I wish I had known something so I could have done something
 different on that."  [NYT, 2/27/87]

      In January 1988, stumping for the Presidential nomination in
 Iowa, Bush said, "I sensed that we were sending arms.  And I sensed
 that we were trying to get hosages out.  But not arms for hostages."
 [news conference transcript, 1/8/88]

      But this morning in the White House, Today Show host Katie
 Couric asked, "You knew about the arms for hostages?" George Bush
 replied, "Yes, and I've said so all along, given speeches on it."
 Bush also claimed on Today that sworn answers confirm his current
 account.  Asked whether he had knowledge of the arms-for-hostages
 deal, he replied, "I've testified 450 times under oath, some of them,
 and our staff 3,500 that yes, but nobody's accused me of not doing
 it."

      But Bush's answers under oath -- given to the Tower Commission
 and to the Special Prosecutor's Office -- have never been made
 public.  Since his current story is now different from his original
 alibi, Bush either told the American people one thing in public and
 told investigators another in private -- or misled both.

      It's time for George Bush to make public the transcripts of his
 questioning by the Tower Commission and the Special Prosecutor's
 office.

      George Bush's statements just don't add up.  Today, Bush yet
 again denied he was aware of the opposition to the deal of Defense
 Secretary Casper Weinberger and Secretary of State George Shultz.
 "There were two key meetings where they almost got into a shouting
 match, I'm told, that I did not attend."

      Yet, Bush was in the room during a January 7, 1986 National
 Security Council meeting with President Reagan to discuss a
 Presidential finding that authorized the arms for hostage deal.
 Shultz and Weinberger were present at that meeting and expressed
 strong objections to the idea.

                               --30--


Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.misc,alt.politics.reform,talk.bizarre,talk.politics.misc
From: jperry@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (John Perry)
Subject: New Political Party
Followup-To: alt.politics.usa.misc,misc.test,alt.politics.kibo,rec.pets,talk.bizarre,talk.politics.misc
Summary: Looking for a platform
Keywords: Rich, Liberal, Greedy, and proud
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 18:56:29 GMT


   In response to the lack of any variation among the candidates for this
year's U.S. Presidential election, a group of concerned citizens in the
Los Angeles area have founded a new political party, the Liberal Materialist
Party.  Just as the central ideals of the Democratic and Republican parties
are protection of personal rights and protection of property rights,
respectively, the Liberal Materialist Party has a central ideal which
motivates our stand on many issues:  We want to save the world, but not
with our money.  


  To show how this ideal is applied to real issues, here are some examples:


RAIN FORESTS:

   Stop the destruction of rain forests by having Michael Jackson buy the
   entire Amazon basin as his own personal zoo.

WORLD HUNGER:

   Require that all owners of private jets make at least one monthly food
   run to a designated third world country each month.  

EDUCATION:

   Free education though the graduate level for all students who desire it,
   financed by mandatory 50% inheritance taxes on all persons holding over
   a million dollars in cash, goods, investments and properties.

NATIONAL DEBT:

   Pay off the national debt by a 5% surcharge on all profits of corporations
   making over 10 million dollars per year until the debt is payed off.  Of
   course, corporations owned by members of the Liberal Materialist Party
   will be exempt from this surcharge.


I think you get the picture.  If you want to take part in this revolutionary
new bastion of political expression, you may join the Liberal Materialist
Party by sending the following to me, John Perry, care of UCLA Computer
Science Department:

   Your Name
   Your Address
   Your Phone Number
   A check for 10% of last years gross income


We of course will see to it that your contributions go toward financing the
lavish^h^h^h^h^h^h  spartan needs of the party organizers.  

Hope to hear from you soon.


                                      John Perry
                                      National Chairman
                                      Liberal Materialist Party


P.S.  With the election right around the corner, we still need to choose a
      good write in candidate for president.  We were considering Jerry Brown, 
      but he already dropped out of the race.  Ross Perot already has a party
      so he's out.  We're thinking maybe Jane Fonda.  Your suggestions would
      be appreciated
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    "Reality is a sandwich that I did not order."
			       Zippy the Pinhead (for president)
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From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: [alt.activism et al] Police stops candidate Marrou's access to media
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:43:36 GMT

A repost from alt.activism,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.guns:

From: atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman)
Subject: Springtime for Honecker (part I)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 11:53:27 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

NEWS RELEASE
St. Louis, Missouri

Local Contact: Steve Dasbach, David Carr - 314-330-2018

October 11, 1992
1:00 PM CST

                   LIBERTARIAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE
                     BARRED FROM C-SPAN INTERVIEW BY
                           ST. LOUIS POLICE

ST. LOUIS -- Libertarian Party Presidential Candidate Andre Marrou, who
has been excluded from participation in the first Presidential Debates
tonight in St. Louis, today was barred by St. Louis Police from entering the
studio of C-SPAN for an 11:30 am interview and viewer call-in program.

Andre Marrou, who is on the ballot in all 50 states, had been scheduled to
appear on C-SPAN to discuss his exclusion from this evening's debates.  As
Marrou and C-SPAN interviewer Geoffrey Baum approached the C-SPAN
interview studio, they were blocked by St. Louis county police officers.  In
spite of Mr. Baum's verification of the scheduled interview, and in spite of
statements by a debate commission member that Mr. Marrou could be
permitted inside of the police lines, the police officers refused admission.

Hundreds of supporters of the Libertarian Party candidate have assembled
in St. Louis to protest Mr. Marrou's exclusion from the debates.  At 3:00
pm on campus, there will be a march demonstrating that Mr. Marrou is the
only candidate on the ballot in every state who will not be in this evening's
debate.  From 3:00 pm to 10:00 pm, Marrou supporters will demonstrate
outside the debate site at Washington University.

                                - END -
From: Clinton for President <75300.3115@compuserve.com>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.misc
Subject: Statement by Governor Bill Clinton
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:53:54 GMT


 For Immediate Release:                  
 October 13, 1992                                  
                                               

                Statement by Governor Bill Clinton

      Choosing a running mate is the first major decision that a
 future president makes.  If the American people were to vote on the
 basis of that decision alone, the Clinton-Gore ticket would win a
 landslide.  Tonight, Al Gore made it clear that he has the character,
 judgement and vision to step into the Oval Office should, heaven
 forbid, something happen to me.

      Al Gore said it all in the first minutes: A Clinton-Gore
 Administration will not take four years to discover America.  Indeed,
 in the first 100 days, we plan to change America.  We plan to offer
 the country an end to trickle-down economics, a real jobs program, a
 bold lifelong learning agenda and a truly comprehensive plan to offer
 health care with real cost controls to all Americans.

      I'm proud of Al Gore.  And tonight all America knows why.  In
 January, Al Gore will be a Vice President America can be proud of.


                            -30-30-30-


Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.misc,talk.politics.misc,alt.society.civil-liberty
From: reaper@wixer.cactus.org (Keath Milligan)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.misc,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: [talk.politics.drugs] Libertarian presidential candidate Andre Marrou on Larry King 10/12
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:00:14 GMT
Organization: Real/Time Communications

In article <1992Oct13.143743.1900@nntp.hut.fi> jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
>
[stuff deleted]
>PS.  Andre Marrou is _adamantly_ opposed to the criminalization of drugs.
>
>--Gary
>

And hence, the Libertarians continue to condemn themselves to obscurity.
If the Libertarian Party EVER wishes to join the debates, they need to
join the mainstream of America.
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.misc
From: fvest@ducvax.auburn.edu (Floyd Vest)
Subject: Re: [alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs] Then they game
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 08:04:51 GMT


[12 Oct 92 11:35:36 GMT] jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) wrote:
>A repost from alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs:

>From: atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman)
>Subject: Re: Clinton: "I am adamantly opposed to legalization of drugs!"

>>I did hear a story from my friend, Dennis, who is the Southern regional
>>coordinator of the LP in Indiana.  He told me that Andre was rousted
>>out of his hotel by Secret Service people along with a number of other
>>people on the same floor because Bush and his entourage were going to

>For those of you at home who have been keeping score on the disintegration
>of civil rights in America, this is the first step in the direction of
>neutralizing the last remaining provision in the Bill of Rights: the
>Third Amendment.

In a similar story, a co-worker was attending a conference in San Antonio
last week.  When Bush made a campaign visit, he was "evicted" from his
hotel room by the secret service.  Later, in his new (& smaller) room,
while talking on the phone, there was a knock followed by a secret service
agent entering with a pass key and ordering him off the phone so that he
could check it.

Certainly, federal agents entering without a warrant or permission is not
my idea of a good time, however much of the blame for permitting this type
of behaviour must be place on hotel mananegement sycophants who are bowing
and scraping at the feet of the president and his minions.

Floyd

 
-- 
Floyd Vest <fvest@ducvax.auburn.edu> <fvest@auducvax.bitnet>
Manager, Administrative Systems--Auburn University, Alabama USA
Voice: +1 205 844 4512  BBS: +1 205 745 3989  FIDO: 1:3613/3
From: jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp)
Subject: Re: [talk.politics.drugs] Libertarian presidential candidate Andre Marrou on Larry King 10/12
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:45:23 GMT

reaper@wixer.cactus.org (Keath Milligan) writes:
>And hence, the Libertarians continue to condemn themselves to obscurity.
>If the Libertarian Party EVER wishes to join the debates, they need to
>join the mainstream of America.

Maybe they should form a Libertarian Leadership Council. Worked for the
Democrats. But then they would lose their... Purity of Essence.

---
Joe Knapp    jmk@cbvox.att.com
Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.misc,talk.politics.misc