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From: ssuther@brahma.trl.OZ.AU (S. Sutherland)
Subject: System 7.1 Incomatibility - is it real?
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:53:38 GMT


Yesterday I grabbed Apple's Compatibility Checker v2.0 from
ftp.apple.com, and was shocked to find that my System 7.01* Mac is going
to need yet anotherpurge/upgrade for System 7.1 (which is on its way
down here...).   Is it really this bad?

The Checker lists the following as 'potentially incompatible':
 ApplicationMenu	Version 4.0
 E-Machines	Version 3.4 (E-machines screen cp)
 MacTCP		Version 1.1 (OK, we know this goes up to v1.1.1)
 Notify		Version 2.11 (Novell 4 Mac software from Novell)
 SuperClock!	Version 3.9.1 

Can someone advise if these are really OK with System 7.1?

The Checker lists some old applications as Incompatible (fair enough),
but also adds the following to the Incompatible list:

 Microsoft Help	Version 3.1 from: Microsoft Corp.
 Netware Control Center	Version 2.11 from: Novell, Inc.

Both these are recent arrivals, so I question the correctness of the
Checker.  The Checker does not provide any more info about upgrading
these.  M'soft Help is for either Excel 4 or Word 5.1 (don't know
which).  Can someone advise if these are really OK with System
7.1?

The Status of the following free/share/commercial software is 'unknown'
to the Checker.  Can someone advise if these are really OK with System
7.1?

 Add/Strip		Version 2.9.2 
 AlSoft DiskCheck	Version 1.07
 Diagnostics		Version 4.5.10 (E-Machines tester)
 Disk Manager Mac	Version 2.41  (Ontrack Comp. Sys. HD formatter)
 Do It All! v.2.5	Version 2.5 
 Equation Editor	Version 1.0b (part of Word 5.1)
 FreeTerm 3.01		Version 3.01 
 LaserJet IIID		Version 2.0 (HP supplied, Insight written)
 LaserJet IIISi		Version 2.11   "
 Microsoft Graph	Version 3.0 (part of Word 5.1)
 MORE 3.1		Version 3.1 from Symantec
 Network Courier	Version 2.0e  (MS mail Mac client)
 Query it!		Version 1.1
 Typequick		Version 6.00. 
 United v2.2		Version 2.2 
 Zorba			Version 0.35 (password utility)
 d'Librarian 3.01r	Version 3.00 

Thanks for your help - perhaps Apple could use it to update the
information base of their Compatibility Checker!

Scott.
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From: Treble@asc.slb.com (John Treble)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: GrayShare and the "old" StyleWriter
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Date: 7 Jan 1993 19:25:30 GMT
Organization: ASC-Austin
Distribution: world
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In article <1993Jan7.154947.1065@unine.ch>,
Gabriel.Sigrist@etudiants.unine.ch wrote:
> 
> 
> Will GrayShare work with the original StyleWriter (and with other ink-jet
> printers) ?
> 
>     Thanks a lot  
> 
>           P. Stadelmann

I don't know yet.  However, in the January 1993 issue of MacWorld on page
215, there's a review of a program called WonderPrint that allegedly speeds
up and enhances the printing of graphics on both PostScript and
non-PostScript devices alike.  The review claims that WonderPrint adds
gray-scale capability to the StyleWriter.  The list price is around $60. 
I'm thinking about ordering it if GrayShare isn't backward compatible.

Considering the MSRP on the StyleWriter II, my old StyleWriter probably
isn't worth much anymore.  Make it kinds hard to sell and upgrade.  So
let's hope GrayShare is backward compatible......

treble@asc.slb.com "My humble, but accurate, opinion does not necessarily
reflect that of my employer. I get full credit for my insightful and witty
comments!"
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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: Changing the location of icons
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 04:33:26 GMT

Another alternative, if you want to speed ejection of disks, is to use the
keyboard commands. Under System 6, it's opt-cmd-E (hold the option key
down after releasing cmd-E, or the icon won't vanish) and under System 7,
it's cmd-Y. Both of these methods will remove the disk icon from the Desktop.

Jay (=
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From: jared@netcom.com (Jared Slosberg)
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware, Inc
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:38:59 CDT
Subject: Desktop Patterns in Black and White Only

When I go to the General Control Panel, all I get are black and white
desktop patterns to choose from, even though I have a color monitor and
everything else is in color.  How do I get color patterns.

Thanks,

Jared



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From: jared@netcom.com (Jared Slosberg)
Subject: Desktop Patterns in Black and White Only
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:47:21 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
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From: HarriRehnberg@salient.com (Salient Software)
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware, Inc
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:50:09 CDT
Subject: Re: AfterD 2.0w & AutoD 1.0.7i


In article <10.2b402d5a@ivgate> (comp.sys.mac.system),
Michael.Davidson@macrocosm.omahug.org (Michael Davidson) writes:
|L.H.Wood was heard wondering:
|
|LW> I always get an error 25 _Jackson when Autodoubler 1.0.7i kicks in for the
|LW> second check while After Dark 2.0w is running. And increasing the Finder
|LW> memory doesn't fix it - I think these two utilities might be squabbling
|LW> over something.
|
|I don't know what the problem is, but i've heard of the problem before.
You're
|not alone. Maybe it has something to do with both programs abreviations.
|Seriously, though, sorry i cannot help you.
|

We are not aware of a problem.  We'll update our copy to 2.0w and
test for this error.

for all FGS products FIFTHGEN@aol.com
for AutoDoubler & DiskDoubler techsupport@salient.com

NOTE: Detailed announcements of updates are made to "comp.sys.mac.announce".
New patchers/updaters uploaded are: AutoDoubler Internal Compressor updater
on 28 December 1992 approx 17:00 PST.


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From: HarriRehnberg@salient.com (Salient Software)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: AfterD 2.0w & AutoD 1.0.7i
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 11:04:46 PST
Organization: Fifth Generation Systems
Reply-To: HarriRehnberg@salient.com (Salient Software)
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From: rkmossm@pbhyb.PacBell.COM (Richard Mossman)
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware, Inc
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:47:28 CDT
Subject: Insufficient Memory messge

I have a IIci with 8 MB of memory and only about 256K of it set for cache.
Over the last few days I have been getting two different messages about
memory problems and would like to find out what to do about them.

BTW, I am running with Sys 7.0.1 and the only things open on the desktop
are the finder and one application at a time.

The first message comes when I send something to the laserprinter. I get
the message box that says there isn't enough memory to print now and
gives me options to print later, cancel, or print now. If I select "print
now", it does print just fine.

The second message came just last night. I was trying to open a file in
Electronic Home Design (a low cost home planning package) and got an
"Insufficient Memory" message. That's all the message said. When I clicked
on O.K. the application opened, but not the file I was looking for.

When I look at "About this Macintosh" it shows a 4 MB unused block of 
memory. So, what gives? More importantly, what can I do about it? I
don't think more memory is the answer in this case (although it wouldn't
hurt). Something somewhere is staying resident in memory that isn't 
showing up visually.

Thanks in advance for any help. 
-- 
Richard K. Mossman  {att,bellcore,sun,ames,decwrl}!pacbell!rkmossm
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From: rkmossm@pbhyb.PacBell.COM (Richard Mossman)
Subject: Insufficient Memory messge
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:46:15 GMT


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From: pc386@tau.ac.il (BENNY SHOMER 9238)
Subject: Order of items in apple menu?
Organization: Tel-Aviv University Computation Center
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:19:04 GMT

Hi all.

Can someone please tell me if there's a way to determine/change the order
of appearance of the various items installend in the 'Apple Menu' under
system 7.X ?

I have my favorite utilities installed on the apple menu for easy accsess.
Yet, the menu is a mess because of all the other items (Chooser calculator
etc.) which I still want to maintain, but IN ORDER   :-)

Thanks for any info.

Benny Shomer.
Tel-Aviv University. Sackler School of Medicine.
Israel.

pc386@ccsg.tau.ac.il
From: babb@sciences.sdsu.edu (J. Babb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Need help with Lab setup
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:43:54 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: SDSU - LARC
NNTP-Posting-Host: larc.sdsu.edu

In article <1ii1mgINN6dr@tamsun.tamu.edu>, jjp8508@chensun1.tamu.edu
(Jeffrey J Polasek) wrote:

 > Hi,
 > We are adding macintosh file sharing services(3.01) to our Novell
 .
 .
 .
 .
 > well this is enough for now...  please respond either to me directly
 > (jjp8508@chennov1.tamu.edu) or to this list.
 > _jeff (Loon)

Please post to the list. I have the same questions!!
Jeff.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: rowley@theporch.raider.net (Michael Rowland)
Subject: Re: saving laserwriter output as a PS file?
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 07:33:44 GMT
Organization: The MacInteresteds of Nashville, Tn.

twent@wam.umd.edu (Anthony J. Went) writes:
> 
> I've been using a music transcription software package on my brother's
> Macintosh IIsi.  I would like to be able to print the postscript output
> to a disk file so I can upload that file to my account at school and dump
> it to a laser printer there.  The program makes no provision for this, as
> far as I can tell.  Is there some sort of driver available that I can install
> that will allow me to dump laserwriter output to a disk file?  The program
> uses two fonts that I had to install in the system (screen and postscript
> versions) if that makes any difference.
> 
So, does the program just squirt the transcription directly to whatever 
printer is connected? You say the program's output is PostScript... that 
helps. You don't say what system version you are using. If you are using 
any version of the system that supports MultiFinder (or if you are using 
System 7) your program's output is winding up in aspool folder inside the 
system folder before getting sent to the printer. So, if you want to take 
this spooled folder somewhere else for printing, when you print, tell 
PrintMonitor to postpone printing indefinitely and then copy the spooled 
file to your account at school and tell it to print.

Too bad your account at school doesn't have AppleTalk Remote Access 
running... then you could call it up and print to the school's printer as 
if it were in your room at home.

jmr

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: bredell@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell)
Subject: Re: System Enablers, What Are They?
Reply-To: Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Organization: Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:28:40 GMT

Robert Abeles (rabel@netcom.com) wrote:

[text deleted]

: I checked his system carefully, and found that he had a file that I had
: never seen, something called 'System Enabler 111'. By installing a
: new system on his HD, then putting this 'System Enabler 111' into
: his system folder, then reinstalling his HD into his PB160, we got
: him back into business. A couple of questions:
: 
: 1. Is there a different installer in the PB160 package?    
: 2. By using the 'all macs' option on my installer, did I miss
:    something that he needs on his PB160?
: 3. What gives with this 'System Enabler'? Is it now Apple's strategy
:    to package one of these with each new flavor of machine?
: 4. Both my dad and I work with lots of different clients who have
:    various Macs. It would be nice of Apple:
:    A. To document the 'System Enabler' strategy someplace like
:       on the developer CD series; and,
:    B. Distribute the whole collection of enablers so that folks
:       like use can service our clients, most of whom throw away
:       or loose or reuse the floppies that come with their machines.

Starting with system 7.1, Apple will not make a new system version for every
new Macintosh model. Instead, they all use the same system version, and the
new models add an extension called a system enabler. The problem is that the
installation disks now have to be different. There's a separate install boot
disk for the IIvi/IIvx, one for PB 160/180, one for PB Duo 210/230, and one
for all the rest.

I'm not sure on this, but I think a system enabler can do bad things if it's
used on the wrong model. This is probably the reason why an install for all
macs doesn't install all the enablers.

Apple has been talking about this new strategy for a long time before
system 7.1 was released, and it's all documented on the developer CD.

In the future, Apple will also distribute enablers that extend the system.
The new AppleScript, QuickDraw GX and electronic mail will probably all
be system enablers.

/Mats
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Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)     Ph:  +46 18 187817
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: odonovan@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Chris ODonovan)
Subject: Re: Super tiny "System" file?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Organization: McMaster University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:03:45 GMT

In article <cardinal.726777393@pythagoras>, cardinal@informix.com (Edward
Cardinal) wrote:

> Any hints on what else I can cut from the System file without making it go
> BOOM? What's the smallest you've ever gotten a 6.0.x system to be?

I think that the system on the "Disk Tools" disk is as minimal as it can
get. This is the emergency startup disk, and it has all the extras omitted
(e.g. colour icons etc.).

This would be a good starting point anyway.

Regards,

Chris ODonovan

odonovan@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca
From: markw@wc.novell.com (Mark Wittenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: System 7.X and Volume Size limit
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:31:27 GMT
Reply-To: markw@wc.novell.com
Organization: Novell, Inc.

In <1993Jan4.001812.27597@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore) writes:

>In article <2352@sousa.tay.dec.com> craparotta@frside.enet.dec.com () writes:
>>
>>Right now from what I can tell, System 7.X has a 2 gig volume size limit..
>>Does anyone know if this is going to be changed to allow larger volume 
>>sizes??
>>
>>
>>Joe Craparotta

>Probably, when the demand is there.  

>Might I ask as to why this would be important? I don't know of any storage
>devices that are larger than 2 gigabytes, and it would make more sense to 
>have anything of that size split into multiple partitions; the minimum 
>file allocation (which has been discussed on here before) would be so 
>large for small files that you'd be wasting a lot of space as it fills up...

>Jay (=

Think servers, especially those that allow volumes to span physical drives
or servers.  Apple's minimum file allocation block size doesn't apply to them.
Besides, some people actually need _large_ volumes; some people regularly
work with a large number of files, each in the range of 50-70 MB.  BTW,
there are some storage devices suitable for use as Mac volumes which are
more than 2 GB.

/markw
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From: anisko@usdtsg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (anisko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: SIT and not
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:26:57 GMT
Reply-To: anisko@usdtsg.UUCP ()
Organization: NCR Corporation, Dayton


   I am having problems with a particular SIT file, and I was wondering
if anyone could shed any light on what's going on.  Okay, to the facts:

1) FTp'd a file called "thel*.sit.hqx" (thel something-or-other) from
   wuarchive.wustl.edu, in the /mirrors3/archive.umich/edu/mac/game/adventure
   (FTP'd in BINARY mode)

2) Zmodemed the file (all 1 meg of it) to my machine using Zterm 0.9

3) used Binhex 4.0 to un-binhex the HQX file

4) I land up with thel*.SIT (doing a GET INFO says it's a Stuffit 1.5.1
   document) - HOWEVER it does not have the typical Stuffit logo on the
   icon, and while double-clicking on it will load in Stuffit,
   Stuffit will not recognize it as a Stuffit file (i.e. it doesn't
   show up when I try to do an OPEN FILE)

   What am I doing wrong here?  This pattern of 1 2 3 (and un-Sitting)
usually works.  I didn't check for any extraneous header information
above the "(this file must be converted with Bixhex 4.0)" line - would
that cause this?

   If anyone can help me out, it would be appreciated.  No doubt I'll
possibly run into this problem again.  Thanks...

				Robert Anisko
				anisko@usdtsg.daytonoh.ncr.com
 
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From: rws2v@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Richard Stoakley)
Subject: Emacs
Keywords: editors
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:16:21 GMT

Are any of you using Emacs as an editor and if so where did you get it.

Richard
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From: oususawm@Msu.oscs.montana.edu (Mark Wistey)
Subject: Booting Apple IIgs from System 7 Mac
Reply-To: oususawm@Msu.oscs.montana.edu (Mark Wistey)
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 07:05:01 GMT

I'm using a Mac Classic with System 7.0.1 as a hard drive for my 
Apple IIgs...  It's wonderful, but I can't startup from the Mac.
My question: Is it possible to directly boot a IIgs from a System 7 
Mac (boot from slot 7)?  If not, is there some other way I can use
the Mac as my System disk?  I ran the File Server Setup from the IIgs
Installer and tried starting the IIgs with a "Local network startup 
disk" created by the Installer.  When I tried to log into the server 
as a regular user or guest, the IIgs responded: "Contact the network 
administrator.  An unknown system error occurred."  When I tried to 
log in as the Mac owner, the IIgs reported: "Your startup 
configuration has not been set up properly.  Contact the network 
administrator."  
 
My systems: a ROM 01 "Woz" IIgs with 1 Meg RAM, no hard drive, System
6.0, one 3.5" and one 5.25" floppy, connected via serial cable to a 
Mac Classic, System 7.0.1 (with Tuneup), 40Mb hard drive, 4Mb RAM.  
AppleTalk is enabled on both machines.  Every IIgs folder on the Mac,
including the hard drive itself, has been set to allow sharing.
 
(For those of you who don't have a hard drive or who transfer a lot of
IIgs files through a Mac, you should still try this.  Even if you 
can't boot from your Mac's hard drive, it's still cheaper than buying 
a separate hard drive for your IIgs!)
 
I appreciate any suggestions and advice, and I'll answer e-mail 
questions promptly.  Please respond through e-mail; I miss a lot of
news articles.  Thanks!
 
 - Mark Wistey

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Quad E #23B, Bozeman, MT  59715  (BikeNet)   | Apple II's, Music, & Physics!
(or ieeug330@eagle.oscs.montana.edu or gmw1142%msu.dnet@mtsunix1.bitnet)

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From: sarahh@mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Highlander)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: System 7.1 and SE30
Date: 8 Jan 1993 18:47:58 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu

Is system 7.1 incompatible with the SE30? I've tried to install several 
times and either the installation says an error has occurred, or when
I reboot, the computer hangs and redraws and emptly dialog box. On
several attempts it was necessary to reboot from a floppy since the
system appeared to be damaged. I have turned off all virus software and
extensions and tried with and without 32-bit enabled. Am I missing something?
(Installation disks are okay since I've successfully installed 7.1 on my
IIcI and PB145).

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Sarahh
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From: eazy@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Anderson-Zych)
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware, Inc
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:04:12 CDT
Subject: Software that cuts power to a disk drive

Recently I finally was able to upgrade the hard drive on my SE.  Rather than 
being stuck with a slow 20MB drive, I now have the pleasure of using a fast
120MB drive.

The new drive is on a shelf a few feet away; that way I don't have to
listen to its fan.  I have nothing on the old drive and don't plan on using
it anytime soon.

Is there a program that will let me shut off the old internal drive?
I know about SCSI Saver, and don't like it.  It doesn't turn the drive off; 
it just spins it down.  What I want is a program that will let me specify
what drive doesn't need to be turned on.  The next time I power up, that
drive]
would not.

A long shot, I know, but maybe someone has a solution.

Thanks in advance,
Happy New Year]

Eric

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From: eazy@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Anderson-Zych)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Software that cuts power to a disk drive
Summary: Is there a program that cuts power to a hard drive?
Keywords: power software
Date: 29 Dec 92 23:48:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York