HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: minsky@media.mit.edu (Marvin Minsky)
Subject: Re: Vitamin C and colds/flu
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:19:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.154812.27152@pixel.kodak.com> young@serum.kodak.com writes:
>   This is from the TUFTS UNIVERSITY DIET AND NUTRITION LETTER: Vol. 10,
>   No. 10, December 1992.  It is posted without permission and has been
>
>	Consider that when researchers at Arizona State University gave
>	nine men and women 500 milligrams of vitamin C daily -- more than
>	eight times the Recommended Daily Allowance for the nutrient, yet
>	an amount commonly found in just one pill -- two people complained
>	of chronic diarrhea within two weeks.  When the researchers
>	increased the dosage to 2,000 milligrams a day, two more people
>	suffered dry nose and nosebleeds.  In other words, almost half 
>	the group had adverse reactions, which is why you might want to 
>	think twice about taking megadoses of vitamin C during the cold
>	and flu season.


Geez, we're citing second hand citations of significantly
insignificant studies.  9 people for two weeks?  Probably they
contracted the same "chronic diarrhea" in the same ASU lunchroom.

.
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Subject: Re: request for info on egg consumption
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 15:05:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.234614.341@netcom.com> feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:
>Adelle Davis only publicised research done by others, she never
>attempted to do research herself. It's been amusing to read newspaper
>accounts of discoveries at MIT of the value of inositol and oat
>bran in countering high cholesterol; this research was done at least
>twenty years ago with similar results and was reported in Davis'
>books at that time.
  
And isn't inositol a constituent of lecithin.

>If convicted felons can't own firearms, then why in Hell
>do we let GE make nuclear weapons?

So years ago, I could get my 1st job upon graduating college--GE, Heavy Military
Electronics Systems, Syracuse, NY!!
From: psylum@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu (Jan Hastrup)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Eating spoiled food reduces lifetime?
Summary: storage of olive oil
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:17:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

What is the appropriate storage procedure for olive oil, 
one of the recommended monounsaturated cooking oils?  
After reading all this discussion about spoiling/things 
turning rancid, I tried setting it in the refrigerator, 
but it got thick and cloudy.  Is room-temperature storage
all right?
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: janet@cs.UAlberta.CA (Janet Service)
Subject: Re: Request: Information on effects of sugar on mood
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:16:45 GMT

> >I've noticed that whenever my 3 1/2yo son has even a small amount of
> >sugar, he undergoes a drastic change in mood and activity level.
> >He becomes hyperactive (he's isn't normally) and mean-spirited.
> >He bounces on the furniture, dashes about aimlessly, throws hard
> >objects at the family, and has a glassy-eyed look that leads me to
> >believe that he is oblivious to anything I say to him.  Has anyone
> >else experienced this?  Does anyone know what causes it?
> 
> Yes; reading quack books about the horrors of sugar and believing them.
> 
> -- 
> Steve Dyer
> dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer

We noticed the same mood swings in our 3 year old after she had
eaten anything containing sugar.  We cut her sugar intake down and 
her mood and behaviour improved.  I don't know what causes it as
no one else in our family has this problem also.  If anyone has
an answer (other than the thoughtless statment above from someone who
obviously has not experienced this in their child/family) please
share it with us.  

(I did not read about this in a book or see a doctor-yet, it
was an observation in the child's reaction and our action to
deal with it).


Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,sci.med,alt.co-evolution
From: hank@netcom.com (Hank Roberts)
Subject: Re: Comprehensive list of nutritional contents of foods?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:31:01 GMT

drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand) writes:
>and I think the Whole Earth Catalog has the info too.  

From page 243 of the Essential Whole Earth Catalog, likely out of date
by now but a place to begin:

Nutritive Value of Foods
1985, 72 pp
Stock # 001-000-04457-5
$2.75 postpaid from
Superintendent of Documents
US Government Printing Office
Washington DC 20402
-------------------------------
  Claimer: I proofread the Catalog and quarterly Whole Earth Review;
any errors therein may be mine.  More info available from
wer@well.sf.ca.us
  Crossposted to    alt.co-evolution  (newsgroup for readers of WER/WEC)
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: request for info on egg consumption
Date: 17 Nov 92 05:21:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov17.052134.16799
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Nov16.234614.341@netcom.com> feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:
>Adelle Davis only publicised research done by othrs, she never
>attempted to do research herself. It's been amusing to read newspaper
>accounts of discoveries at MIT of the value of inositol and oat
>bran in countering high cholesterol;

WHAT value of inositol in countering high cholesterol?  There is none.
Inositol nicotinate is not inositol.  It's like saying that glycerine is 
an explosive because nitroglycerine is.

>this research was done at least
>twenty years ago with similar results and was reported in Davis'
>books at that time.

Perhaps you could point to the place in her books where she talks
about oat bran.  I don't have them handy.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,misc.fitness
From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: Fit or Fat Facts?
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:04:02 GMT

In article <BETSYS.92Nov23005050@ra.cs.umb.edu> betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz) writes:
>It seems to me that from a survival standpoint, back when we were all
>evolving, the "fittest" person would be the person who was able to store
>energy, not the person who burnt up all their fuel without storing it.

Rather than calling that "fittest," let's call it "most likely to survive."
That will avoid one semantic trap we occasionally have in this newsgroup.

>Or do we have two "modes," a "store fat for winter" mode and a "burn fat like
>crazy it's summer" mode?

There are people who, genetically, will have a tendancy to burn more calories
(and fat) all the time. In times of scarce food, these people will be less
likely to survive. (I believe that Covert covers this in the book somewhat.)

All of us have the ability to adapt our body's metabolism. That's what athletic
training (the "training effect") is all about. Aerobic exercise is a means
for all of us to alter the fat-burning properties of our body.

>This book doesn't have ANY footnotes (bad sign for a science book.)

Who told you that it's a science book? Provide *footnotes* in your posting! :-)

>Is there any research to support these claims?

Look at _Exercise Physiology_ for the hard science. Footnotes, glossy pages,
spiffy graphics. The whole nine yards. And a price tag of around $50.

Also, Covert is working on a serious research text about muscle physiology.
He mentioned this in a lecture in Denver in 8/91. He was thinking about calling
it "The King Muscle" until someone pointed out that this is slang for a piece
of male anatomy (that, interestingly enough, doesn't contain whole lot of 
muscle). I have no idea of the publishing schedule for this book -- Covert
pointed out that it takes a *minimum* of a year to get this sort of book
out of a publisher. I expect to see something by mid-1994...

>thanks, Betsy (who is still going to exercise)

--phil

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: mrl@nerus.pfc.mit.edu
Subject: RE: More B12 news.
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:41:36 GMT

In a previous article, tsf@CS.CMU.EDU (Timothy Freeman) wrote:
>In article <23NOV92.01351638@nerus.pfc.mit.edu> mrl@nerus.pfc.mit.edu writes:
> 
>   I just read a disturbing article on B12 deficiency in what used to be the
>   East-West Journal.
> 
>You had the relevant reference in your hands, and you did not make a
>note of it so the rest of us can read it too?
> 

I was reading in a checkout line!  I'll look at again this week and let people
know the authors.  It was actually only part of a larger article which I'll
have to finish.  

Mark London
MRL@NERUS.PFC.MIT.EDU
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: young@serum.kodak.com (Rich Young)
Subject: Re: Eating spoiled food reduces lifetime?
Originator: young@sasquatch
Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 13:32:22 GMT

In article <SCOTT.JOHNSON.92Nov15105720@talon.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM> Scott.Johnson@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM ( Scott Johnson) writes:

[...]

>C> I agree about refrigerating (or freezing).  I wouldn't say it's "best"
>C> to use a mono-unsaturated oil.  Certainly, such oils tend not to go
>C> rancid as fast.  However, certain poly-unsaturated oils are needed in
>C> human nutrition (essential fatty acids).  In Fats and Oils In Human
>
>   I know that Cathy (quoted above) said that she will be leaving on
>maternity leave, but I was just curious about the previous statement.  I
>thought that the whole reason that you always see "partially
>hydrogenated vegetable oil" as ingredients was that the more saturated
>with hydrogen atoms the fat was, the more impermiable it was to going
>bad.  Therefore I would think that mono-unsaturated would be the oils
>that go bad first.  What is wrong with my reasoning here?

	I'm neither a chemist nor a doctor, but I believe the flaw in your
	reasoning is derived from the belief that "partially hydrogenated
	vegetable oil" is completely saturated.  In fact, the hydrogenation
	only breaks SOME of the double bonds, so a partially hydrogenated
	vegetable oil may still be poly-unsaturated, though with fewer "polys"
	than in its original form.


-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
Xref: sparky sci.med.nutrition:1414 misc.fitness:8506
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,misc.fitness
Subject: Fit or Fat Facts?
Date: 23 Nov 92 05:55:24 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

Since so many people here keep mentionning it, I picked up a copy of
"The New Fit or Fat" by Covert Bailey. Ok, I believe that exercise is
necessary to lose weight, but how substantiated is the assertion here
that fit people burn more calories than fat people, even when idle? 
  It seems to me that from a survival standpoint, back when we were
all evolving, the "fittest" person would be the person who was able to
store energy, not the person who burnt up all their fuel without
storing it. Or do we have two "modes," a "store fat for winter" mode
and a "burn fat like crazy it's summer" mode? 
  This book doesn't have ANY footnotes (bad sign for a science book.)
Is there any research to support these claims?

thanks, Betsy (who is still going to exercise)
--
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Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: vpopesc@opus.uucp (Valentin Popescu)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,sci.med
Subject: Comprehensive list of nutritional contents of foods?
Summary: can I get such a thing off the net?
Keywords: FDA, Vitamins, etc
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:41:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: California State University, Los Angeles


I am looking for a comprehensive list of foods with their equivalent
vitamins/minerals/calories/etc contents; The kind that appears in all
the nutrition books.

I assume that the FDA has such a list somewhere, but my {L,N}exis
searches yielded nothing, probably because I am not familiar with
searching speciality medical journals. 

So, my question is, is it possible for me to get such a list in a text
(computer readable) format? If it is on L/Nexis, can someone point me
to the right place to look? If anyone HAS such a thing, and they are
willing to share, please mail it to me, or point me to the right place
to FTP it from.

Lastly, what are the copyright laws governing such data? Would someone
who would be interested in including such lists in a commercial
venture be required to get FDA consensus to publish them?

Thank you for any help in advance.

-- 
               |
____________  -+-__      ____________ 
\_____     /   |/_ \     \     _____/           Valentin Popescu
 \_____    \_____/  \____/     ____/  vpopesc@{calstatela.edu,csula.bitnet}
From: mdebuitlear@vms.eurokom.ie
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Request: Information on effects of sugar on mood
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:01:15 CET
Organization: EuroKom Conferencing Service

In article <cindy.150@berkp.uadv.uci.edu>, cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham) writes:
> Steve -
> 
> Just because you aren't affected by sugar or food additives doesn't mean
> that no one else is either.  I didn't read any quack books about "the
> horrors of sugar" and then postulate that my son must therefore be
> reacting to them.  My son was having Jekyll-Hyde types of mood swings,
> and _then_ I looked around to try to find a cause for them.  It 
> wasn't until just recently (and he's 3 1/2 years old!) that I noticed
> that his manic phases occur right after eating sugar-containing 
> foods.  Furthermore,ask any preschool teacher and they'll 
> tell you that certain foods do have this effect on children.  I was
> looking for a possible scientific/medical explanation for this 
> condition.  I guess sci.med.nutrition is not the newsgroup that I
> thought it was.  What exactly is this newsgroup for, if not to discuss 
> nutrition and it's effect on a person's physical and mental well-being?  
> 
> - Cindy Windham

Don't you know the hidden agenda of some of the people around here ?  - flame
any poor unfortunate lay person who has the poor sense to ask a question that 
seems silly to the 'experts' or who espouses a point of view they disagree 
with. You have my sympathies.

Micheal De Buitlear.
M.De.Buitlear@EuroKom.ie
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Request: Information on effects of sugar on mood
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:41:17 GMT

In article <9211191843.AA15668@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Grady W Chism <gchism@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>The science says that sugar is not a cause of hyperactivity.  To state this 
>more precisely, when the behaviors of hyperactive children are observed by an 
>unbiased obsererver, there is no difference in the behaviors of those receiving
>sugar and those getting a placebo. However, there are many faulty studies (not
>double blind) which claim effects.

There is also the fact that these quack books on sugar (and dietary treatments
for hyperactivity/ADD, not that the original person was talking about ADD)
have become part of received folk wisdom and live on regardless of their
validity and the fact that such links have never been observed in a double-
blind setting.  You don't have to have purchased such tracts to believe them.
This link with the kid eating sugar-containing foods couldn't have arisen
merely out of the dispassionate observations of a mother-scientist, unless
that mother-scientist has been living under a rock for the past 20 years.

Since many foods (bread, mashed potatoes) have as high a glycemic index as
simple sugar (meaning that blood glucose rises as quickly after eating one
of these as eating sucrose), one wonders why they haven't been implicated
in such terrors.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: mdebuitlear@vms.eurokom.ie
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Request: Information on effects of sugar on mood
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:53:05 CET
Organization: EuroKom Conferencing Service

In article <1992Nov19.044200.9453@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> In article <cindy.139@berkp.uadv.uci.edu> cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham) writes:
>>I've noticed that whenever my 3 1/2yo son has even a small amount of
>>sugar, he undergoes a drastic change in mood and activity level.
>>He becomes hyperactive (he's isn't normally) and mean-spirited.
>>He bounces on the furniture, dashes about aimlessly, throws hard
>>objects at the family, and has a glassy-eyed look that leads me to
>>believe that he is oblivious to anything I say to him.  Has anyone
>>else experienced this?  Does anyone know what causes it?
> 
> Yes; reading quack books about the horrors of sugar and believing them.
> 
> -- 
> Steve Dyer
> dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer

Hey - thats a smart kid, reading already ! :-)

Micheal De Buitlear.
M.De.Buitlear@EuroKom.ie

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Subject: Re: Vitamin C and colds/flu
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 14:38:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.154812.27152@pixel.kodak.com> young@serum.kodak.com writes:
>   This is from the TUFTS UNIVERSITY DIET AND NUTRITION LETTER: Vol. 10,
>   No. 10, December 1992.  It is posted without permission and has been
>   cross-posted to rec.food.veg because there is some interest in supplemen-
>   tation in that group; please note followup address.
>
>     "C" CAN BE MORE TROUBLE THAN IT'S WORTH
>
>	You feel a cold coming on.  Or you expect you will at some point
>	during the winter.  And although you have heard there is no
>	scientific proof that vitamin C can ward off a cold or that it
>	can make you feel better once you do get the sniffles, you decide
>	to join the ranks of Americans who spend some $350 million each
>	year on vitamin C pills, the top sellers among single-nutrient
>	supplements.  After all, several of your friends swear by it, 
>	and even if it doesn't help, can it hurt?  As long as you're
>	asking, the self-prescribed "antidote" can cause worse symptoms
>	than the cold it is meant to quell.
>
>	Consider that when researchers at Arizona State University gave
>	nine men and women 500 milligrams of vitamin C daily -- more than
>	eight times the Recommended Daily Allowance for the nutrient, yet
>	an amount commonly found in just one pill -- two people complained
>	of chronic diarrhea within two weeks.  When the researchers
>	increased the dosage to 2,000 milligrams a day, two more people
>	suffered dry nose and nosebleeds.  In other words, almost half 
>	the group had adverse reactions, which is why you might want to 
>	think twice about taking megadoses of vitamin C during the cold
>	and flu season.

I've been taking > 2,000 mg./day of Vitamin C for almost 17 yrs. & have yet
to experience any of the above adverse reactions.  Furthermore, even had I
experienced a reaction, it wouldn't have stopped me from taking the C; many
people look at only Vitamin C vs. colds, but "recent" studies re Vitamin C
vs. cancer & heart disease are of far greater importance IMHO.
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Request: Information on effects of sugar on mood
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:54:26 GMT

In <1992Nov21.214117.21366@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>Since many foods (bread, mashed potatoes) have as high a glycemic index as
>simple sugar (meaning that blood glucose rises as quickly after eating one
>of these as eating sucrose), one wonders why they haven't been implicated
>in such terrors.

Blood glucose raises just as quickly for mashed potatoes and/or carrots if
those foods are consumed alone.  However, more often than not, breads and
potatoes are eaten with other foods with protein that help to stabilize
blood sugar or with fat that helps slow down digestion. 

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Request: Information on effects of sugar on mood
From: cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham)
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:56:32 GMT
Organization: University Advancement, University of Calif., Irvine

I've noticed that whenever my 3 1/2yo son has even a small amount of
sugar, he undergoes a drastic change in mood and activity level.
He becomes hyperactive (he's isn't normally) and mean-spirited.
He bounces on the furniture, dashes about aimlessly, throws hard
objects at the family, and has a glassy-eyed look that leads me to
believe that he is oblivious to anything I say to him.  Has anyone
else experienced this?  Does anyone know what causes it?  For now,
I'm trying to eliminate sugar from his diet, but I'm wondering if he
will eventually grow out of this.  No one else in the family has
this condition.

- Cindy Windham
From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: request for info on egg consumption
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:37:24 GMT
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>In article <1992Nov20.000852.21964@netcom.com> feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:
>>So does the lecithin in eggs make the cholesterol in eggs easier to
>>metabolise (than, say, the cholesterol in meat) as a result of being
>>emulsified?

>No.

Why not? Is not the cholesterol in the egg already emulsified by the
lecithin when eaten? If not, what is the actual situation vis-a-vis
the egg's cholesterol and lecithin?
-- 
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
 
GE: Perhaps not Evil Incarnate, but certainly close enough for
    government work.
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo)
Subject: Nutrasweet tastes like sugar?
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:11:12 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

On a package of "Equal" (the sugar substitute), it says
"Tastes like sugar".
If you look at the ingredients, the main one is dextrose with 
maltodextrin.  As far as I know dextrose is another name for
sugar which confirms the vendors claim that it "tastes like sugar".
(Because it is sugar.)

-- 
 Ralph Yozzo (yozzo@watson.ibm.com)  
 From the beautiful and historic Mid-Hudson Valley area of NY state