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Can someone please tell me if Roots-l is the same animal as Soc.Roots?
Thanks.
RHB (BennettRH@Sluvca.Slu.Edu)
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From: roman@mpgs.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re:      BALL
Organization: 	Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 22 JAN 93 17:00:49    


In article <9301212012.AA12903@slc10.INS.CWRU.Edu>,         Dick Rose <am681@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU> writes...
>I am researching a Eleaser BALL who married Abigail ROGERS.
> 
>Abigail was b. 1703, d. 1741. They were married in 1726/27
> 
>Any of you researching either line could really help me find this
>person. Been having quite a time finding any information. I
>believe they were married in Lancaster, Massachusetts.
> 
>Thanks for your help.
> 
>Dick...
> 
I didn't find Eleaser in my Ball info but have been in contact with Dr.
Joseph L. Druse who is collecting information on all Balls in America.
He provided me with information on other members of the family.  I don't
have his address handy, but if you'd like to write to him, send me mail
and I'll get you his address.

Mike
>--
>Dick Rose, 4273 Grannis Rd., Fairview Park, OH 44126
>Researching: ROSE / NEY / NOACK / KENYON / GREEN / THOMAS
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Reply-To:     Stu Warford <swarford@MSMAIL.PEPPERDINE.EDU>
From:         Stu Warford <swarford@MSMAIL.PEPPERDINE.EDU>
Subject:      Breeden, McGinty, Warford
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I'm researching the following:

Enoch Breeden (b. 1/9/1756 d. 1841) from (I think) Tennessee area.

James Burke McGinty, Sr.  (1881 - 1965) from Terrell, Texas

Earl Warford, Sr, who may have fought in WWI., perhaps from Oklahoma.

Also, I have reference to a book edited by J. Frank Dobie entitled "A
Tenderfoot on Gyp Water", which refers to McGinty.  How can I find a copy?
From: rbv@cypress.com
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Quaker Cemetery in Philadelphia
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:48:32 GMT
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor, San Jose, CA, USA

fee@asel.udel.edu (James Fee) asks:

	Does any know where I might find Cemetery Records for a specific
	Quaker Cemetery in North Phil (The Fairhill).

Jim -- I'm not sure if the info in the book is current; it was
compiled in 1941 by the Works Progress Administration.  It does NOT
list records for individuals.  Here are some extracts:

Fair Hill [sometimes one word, sometimes two] Indulged Meeting, 1880-.
Southeast corner of Germantown Avene and Cambria Street, Philadelphia.
Presently used for worship and Sabbath school, and on weekdays is used
by the American Red Cross...

Graveyard 400' by 500' acquired 1703, retained by meeting 1827, first
burial 5 May 1843...

Records of burials, 1843-, 2 volumes, in custody of William Cash,
caretaker's residence on burial grounds.

Records and register of membership kept at Philadelphia Monthly Meeting,

Happy hunting
Roger
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Need Help with HOFFSTETTER
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:40:51 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <ROOTS-L%93012608200903@VM1.NODAK.EDU> Suzanne Badenhop <AHCSBB@UKCC.UKY.EDU> writes:
>I have run into a deadend looking for my ancesotors--JOHN MURRAY
>and his wife MARY HOFFSTETTER.  One reference mentions them as
>natives of Morgan County, Pennsylvania.  There is no Morgan County,
>Pennsylvania and never has been.  However, there are three small
>towns by the name of Morgan in Western Pennsylvania.

... and a town called Morgan Station in Eastern PA.

In the Hoenstine Genealogical Index (largely for PA) there is a single
listing for HOFFSTETTER:

#93 History of Lehigh and Carbon Counties 802 p 1884 by Mathews
and Hungerford .. includes over 400 biographical references..

Rental deposit $44.00 (1/4 charged for a month's rental)


Hoenstine Rental Library
414 Montgomery St. (P.O. Box 208)
Hollidaysburg PA 16648
1-814-695-0632

A satisfied customer..

Tom
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:33:53 EST
Reply-To:     "Robert J. Behnen" <AD38%NEMOMUS.bitnet@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
From:         "Robert J. Behnen" <AD38%NEMOMUS.bitnet@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Emigration Routes
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Fellow Rooters:

Over the weekend I have acquired some information
that I was hoping you could help me sort out.  It
appears that several Behnen families lived in the
Emsland (the area surrounding the Ems river by the
German/Dutch boarder by the Hannover and Westfalen
boarders of Germany).

Questions

1)  Which is the most likely emigration route they
would have taken?  It seems to me that the possibilities
were Hamburg and Bremen with the latter being closer
to the general area.  What were the Dutch emigration ports?

2)  I know where I can look to check Hamburg Passenger Lists.
However, does Bremen have a list of passengers through their
port?  Where can I go to check them if so?

I would appreciate any input/suggestions you might have.


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From: cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM (Cliff Manis)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: soc.roots
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:24:45 GMT
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RHB:

Reference part of this message:
> From VM1.NoDak.EDU!ROOTS-L Tue Jan 26 10:43:21 1993
> Reply-To: BENNETTRH@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU
> Subject:      soc.roots
> Can someone please tell me if Roots-l is the same animal as Soc.Roots?
> Thanks.
> RHB (BennettRH@Sluvca.Slu.Edu)

Most of the messages from soc.roots get passed to ROOTS-L, but not all !
Most of the messages from ROOTS-L get passed to soc.roots, but not all !

I have asked but have never received a valid reason why not, one way
or the other.  Sorry for such a vague answer, but I guess such is life.

Good luck...cliff
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From: cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM (Cliff Manis)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: GENEALOG: New file: perpcal
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:06:33 GMT
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I have just uploaded the following GENEALOG file(s):


GENEALOG perpcal     Perpetual Calendar (see description below)

New - file(s) are available now.    See end of this message for
a description of the file.

GENEALOG is an area on the LISTSERV computer which is used for storage
of many, many textual files which pertain to genealogy.

You may request a listing of the file be mailed to you by simply
sending the following line to: LISTSERV@vm1.nodak.edu as the only
text of a message.

/files roots-L

It normally only takes about ten minutes for the LISTSERV computer to
reply, sending you a message with the entire listing of files.

You may pick & choose the filenames of interest and to request
a file just simply send the following line back
to: LISTSERV@vm1.nodak.edu as the only text of a message.

GET GENEALOG filename

   (please replace the "filename" with the filename of interest)

Here is a description of it

A "PERPETUAL" CALENDAR
======================

The following information lets you find the day of the week for
any date in the 1800's and 1900's.  Simply look up your year of
interest in the appropriate table (1800's or 1900's), find the code
letter (A to N), and then use the calendar of that letter.

For example:

   On what day of the week was 1st July 1837?

   1)  1800's table:  1837 = calendar 'A'

   2)  calendar 'A':  1st July = Saturday

(Note: this information is for the Gregorian, or New Style,
calendar, which had been adopted in most countries before 1800.
This includes Great Britain, most European countries, and USA.
Further details for individual countries can be found in
"Dates and Calendars for the Genealogist" by Clifford Webb,
published by the Society of Genealogists,London, 1991,
ISBN 0 946789 07 X)

I believe the information below to be accurate.  Please email any
corrections or suggestions to me at the address below.
Phil Lloyd, lloyd@prl.philips.co.uk

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From: alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Emigration Routes
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:32:34 GMT
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In article <23JAN93.20050066.0076.MUSIC@NEMOMUS> "Robert J. Behnen" <AD38%NEMOMUS.bitnet@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU> writes:
>Fellow Rooters:
>
>2)  I know where I can look to check Hamburg Passenger Lists.
>However, does Bremen have a list of passengers through their
>port?  Where can I go to check them if so?

There is a person on PRODIGY who will check Bremen passenger lists.  I don't
have his name or sign-on with me.

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From: Brian.Mavrogeorge@p0.f30.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Brian Mavrogeorge)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: My Tiny Tafel (second attempt)
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:14:19 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:125/30.0 - Roots(SF!), San Francisco CA


 -=> Quoting Roman@Mpgs.Enet.Dec.Com to All <=-

 Ro> Dates below include xxxx for unknown date.  185- means 1850 or before,
 Ro> and 163+ means 1630 or after.  Interested in sharing information with
 Ro> others working on any of these lines, especially the European lines as
 Ro> up to this point I've mostly concentrated on the New England families.

Shucks, if you had used the standard tiny-tafel format I could have captured
your tiny-tafel and then added it to the archived tiny-tafel databases so
people now and in the future could reference it. And incidentally you would
then be able to search the nationwide tiny-tafel database as well.




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From: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much)
Subject: Re:      Looking for place(s) to donate new KAUFFMANN genealogy book
Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:31:43 GMT

In article <ROOTS-L%93012110225665@VM1.NODAK.EDU> Susan Plass <Susan.Plass@STANFORD.BITNET> writes:
>A cousin who has been researching the descendants of Martin
>KAUFFMANN (born about 1590) is about to publish her work.  I'm
>planning to buy copies for myself, of course, but I'm also
>interesting in buying a few copies to donate to appropriate
>genealogy collections.  The two that come to mind easily are
>the Newberry Library and the Salt Lake FHL (unfortunately I
>don't expect her to grant permission to film the book, though).
>Are there one or two additional obvious candidates which might
>welcome her book?

How kind of you!  I'm sure Sutro Library in San Francisco (part of the
CA State Library system) and Clayton Library in Houston (a branch of
the Houston Public Library) would welcome copies.

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From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Moore Family / Dewey connection....
Date: 24 Jan 93 00:23:59 GMT
Organization: RAND

>My great-grandmother, Gertrude Florence Moore, born 31 January 1896 in
>Mount Vernon, Jefferson County, Illinois, died 25 October 1970 in
>LaPorte, LaPorte County, Indiana, always swore that she was related to
>Admiral George Dewey. Her parents were Alexander Moore (nothing but name
>known) and Melvina (1852-1936, last name not known). Does anyone know od
>any Moores among the relatives of Admiral Dewey?

Melvyl says... start with the famous ?ancestor - and the rarer name:

16.
Author: Dewey, Adelbert Milton, 1857-
Title:  Life of George Dewey, Rear Admiral, U.S.N., and Dewey family
history : being an authentic historical and genealogical
record of more than fifteen thousand persons in the United
States by the name of Dewey, and their descendants / life of
Rear Admiral George Dewey written and book edited by Adelbert
M. Dewey ; Dewey family history compiled by Louis Marinus
Dewey ; assisted by William T. Dewey and Orville C. Dewey.
Westfield, Mass. : Dewey Pub. Co., c1898.
Description:    1117 p., [99] leaves of plates (some fold.) : ill., coats
of
arms, maps, ports. (some col.) ; 28 cm.

Series: Genealogy & local history ; G69.

Notes:  Dewey family history (p. [202]-1117) has special t.p.: "Dewey
genealogy and family history."
Includes index.
Microfiche. Sanford, N.C. : Microfilming Corporation of America,
1982. 14 microfiches ; 11x15 cm.

Subjects:       Dewey family.
Dewey, George, 1837-1917.

Other entries: Dewey, Louis Marinus, 1865-
Dewey, William T. (William Tarbox), 1852-
Dewey, Orville C., b.1833.
Dewey genealogy and family history.

Call numbers:   CSL     Sutro   MICRO- FICHE G3 G69
Note:   Call number of printed ed.: CS71.D519
1898 Sutro.

Good luck!

Tom
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Pest house
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:02:55 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <2B5D1BDD@router.em.cdc.gov> SLR2@CCDDCD1.EM.CDC.GOV writes:
>This might help you regarding the epidemic disease or diseases of Haverhill,
>Mass., in the late 1600's.
>

> Some strong possibilities for the epidemic diseases that may have been
>present in Haverhill, Mass, in the late 1600's are yellow fever, small
>pox, cholera, typhoid, louse-borne typhus....

Typhus is an unlikely candidate. It is most characteristically a disease of
filth, rats and wartime combined and was common in WW I and II among
devistated groups.  It was also common in the gettos and the Germans
feared it.

Curiously, there was none in the Civil War and the disease has never gained
a permanent foothold in the US. IT was not uncommon on later immigration
ships, but the early ones were too small and intimate to be filthy in
the sense of the later cattle boats.

>FYI, yellow fever caused the abandonment of
>Philadelphia as the US national capital.

It is also said to have contributed to the two party system:

The Federalists thought the French brought it (there were numerous
French refugees from Haiti -- which had just had a revolution), while
the Republican-Democrats thought it arose from the swamps.

In any case, there was much finger pointing -- between the members of
the government who fled the city and those who stayed..

Also there were contraversies about therapy. Bleeding vs. wine (those
who backed the French were for wine)....

Tom
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From: skjohn01@nx35.mik.uky.edu (stephen k johnson)
Subject: Looking for Didri Family
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:12:15 GMT


Hello,
	I am looking for anyone knowing of the name Didri and where the  
family originated.I think it is in France but not sure.Thanks


				       Stephen Kelly Johnson


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From: sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal)
Subject: Re: MEIER
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:42:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.010626.4425@casbs.Stanford.EDU>, kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much) writes:
> In article <1993Jan18.181022.425@compu.com> fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home) writes:
> >
> >>The Jewish MEYER, on the other hand, derives from
> >>the Hebrew MEIR which means wise or scholarly.
> >
> >It can be presumed then that this is simply the Germanization of Golda's name?
> >Or did they go the other way and made Meir out of Meyer? I suppose it would be 
> >difficult to change Goldstein back to Hebrew and still sound the same. My 
> >assumption was that the typical Jewish name was either given to them or they 
> >simply chose in the 15th & 16th centuries when the German Jews had to take a
> >surname and register their existence.
> 
> As usual, Fred has lots of good info for us.  But I believe the forced
> naming of German Jews took place later--in the 18th and 19th centuries.
> I'm not sure about Golda, but I think she was a Meyer in the US (she
> was born in Russia, and I don't know what her Russian name was) and
> became Meir in Israel.
> 

Actually, although the laws forcing the naming of German Jews
were promolgated in the 18th century, the oldest German-Jewish
names come from the 14th century.  Rothschild goes back a long
way as does Epstein and Katzenellenbogen (and its numerous variants).
Those interested in Jewish names should
check out Kaganoff's "Dictionary of Jewish Names and Their Meaning".
One must be careful to distinguish between real German-Jewish
names and Yiddish names which are more recent, or registration
names assigned by German naming officials in Eastern Europe (Weiss,
Schwartz, Goldstein, Rosenthal, etc.).

My recollection is that Golda Meir had a different name
when she lived in Milwaukee, one could look it up I'm sure.

	Seth Rosenthal

Disclaimer: All opinions are my own not my employers'.
From: 00brwoodson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: To Help a Native American
Date: 24 Jan 93 05:13:13 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

I am looking for some information on how to find out my roots to see how much
Native American blood is in me and of what tribe.  Any help would be
appreciated.
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much)
Subject: Re: Dead Ends! 
Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:35:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.195108.19233@spdc.ti.com> mack@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Caren Mack) writes:
>    I've been trying to get info on my BULLMAN/BULMAN family for
>a long while now and just can't pick up a clue.  Maybe someone out 
>there can give me a hint on where else to look:
>
> Johannah and John are 
>both buried together in Oakland.  But...John died in 1908 and Alameda 
>County Court (they moved to Alameda in 1901) can't find his death cert. 
>which they should have had. Umm?  I might try for his death cert. in the 
>county that San Francisco is in (Contra Costa?). 
>
San Francisco is in San Francisco County.  Contra Costa is in the East
Bay, next door to Alameda County.  I'd try all three.


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From: drostet@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Ohio Probate Records
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:04:47 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <wiggins.727477235@terra.cecer.army.mil>, wiggins@cecer.army.mil (Don Wiggins) writes:
> I read recently that government agencies in Ohio are no longer
> obligated to provide copies of documents by mail...  

The key words here are "no longer obligated".  They *may* still do so; it is
up to them whether they will or not.   As has been mentioned by a couple of
other people, there are some bills now re-introduced to take care of the 
problem.     

> 
> I also read something about professional genealogists having to get a
> private investigator's license in Ohio.  Has anyone heard anything
> about that?  What is my old home state coming to?
> 

There was a ruling by the Secretary of Commerce about this, followed by
a clarification.  It seems if you are looking *only* for dead people you
don't have to get a PI's license.   The ruling only applied to Professional
genealogists.  A PI's license in Ohio costs $250 per year, if I remember
correctly.  

These topics have been discussed at a couple of our NWOGS meetings now.  

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