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From: X049BC@tamvm1.tamu.edu
Subject: Re: Death of my pet
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:24:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.175358.14628@oakhill.sps.mot.com>
hawk@oakhill.sps.mot.com (George Hawkins) writes:
 
>In article <1992Jul21.181200.14277@oakhill.sps.mot.com> hawk@oakhill.sps.mot.com (George Hawkins) writes:
>>
>
>Well, I just lost a good friend [cookie] an orange winged
>parrot who I owned for 13 years. He had cancer of the intestine.
>
>I have two questions.
>
>How do I deal with his 2 Buddies [double
>yellows who are very lethargic without him]. I'm having a hard
>time but things are worse for my other two pets.
>
>Anyone out there lost a parrot to cancer?
>
>George Hawkins                    Internet: hawk@otis.sps.mot.com
George,
   My sympathies. We have now lost 2 cockatiels to cancer. One was a
real godsend in that she was the only hen we had who would foster the first
batch of chicks one of our other pairs hatched. She was a really good mom!
Then one day, she just started looking ill, fluffed-up, etc., then over three
days, she just went downhill until I found her dead when I went to check on
her on my lunch hour. Gloria was not a people bird, but she saved 4 great
chicks!
   Our most recent loss was a lutino pied female who was the most affectionate
bird we've ever owned. Lady would always crowd the other birds out to get near
us whenever we were working in the bird room, and would sit quietly on a
shoulder for hours. She even slept with my wife a couple of times through some
depressing days when we lost babies. We never thought Lady would take a mate,
but she fooled us! Casper our white-faced male won her over. It was while she
was caring for the babies, at then end of the first week in the box that she
started having respiratory trouble. Over a week she was having more and more
trouble beathing. We finally took her to the local vet school (which has an
avian program) and they put her in an oxygen cage. She still wanted to be close
to the people in the room! The next day, they were going to remove her to open
an air-sack to see if she could get more O2, and she expired after only 45 sec.
on plain air. Necropsy revealed a lung tumor that had consumed one lung
entirely, started  on the other and forced her bronchii shut! We really miss
this sweetheart! It's pretty rough, but as someone here has posted, we focus
on the living and take heart in that we gave them an excellent home!
Bill
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: kaw4t@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Kent A. Watsen)
Subject: Re: How to Tame Parakeets?
Keywords: Parakeerts, tame
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 05:09:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.002620.29919@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> kaw4t@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Kent A. Watsen) writes:
>Scott A. Steinbrink writes:
>>SI'm the proud owner of 4 parakeets - only ONE of them will let me pet her,
>>or perch on my finger -- the other three just flies away -- Sometimes I had
>>to catch three when it's time for them to go to bed -- I even tried taking
>>one by one to the bathroom and try handtaming them - it doesn't work.
>>
>>ANy suggestions?
>
>I am not an expert here, but I purchased a parakeet two days ago. He
>came as an adult from the pet store so I am not sure if he received
>any training (doubtful).  I find myself able to hold my index finger
>in front of him down by his feet.  If I move it toward him so that I
>am touching his chest by his feet, he will step onto my finger.
>
>I have a couple of questions as well. What sort of care must I give
>when it comes to clipping his nails (special scissors?) and room 
>temperature? Also, what sort of training/tricks can parakeet do?
>

Sorry to post again, but I have four concerns now which I was not aware
of before. One: my parakeet's beak is looking green.  My friend's bird has
a nice dark yellow beak. Two: His upper-left nostrail appears to be clogged.
It definetly doesn't look the same as his other or my friend's bird's. Three:
I have had him for a day now and have yet to see him eat or drink.  Four: He
is dirty around the anal area.  (no easy way to put that one).

Anyway, I would really appreciate if anybody could cover these four me...kw
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: nmr1248@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (NANCY RABEL (KC4IYD))
Subject: Have you telephoned your bird lately?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 24 Jul 1992 09:12 EDT  

Hello,

Have anyone ever telephoned their bird before? Something similar
was mentioned in rec.pets.dogs so I thought it could be a good 
topic of discussion here. I know that when I was still in college
(about 3 years ago), my boyfriend would call his cockatiel, Newton, 
on the phone. There was an answering machine at the apt. and the 
machine had one feature where you can monitor the apt. (i.e. listen
to see if anyone was there). Well, my boyfriend would call his
apt and then say "hello Newton, hi there, hello pretty bird" and then 
would turn monitor on. He was able to hear the bird answer him with 
"hello" or just squawk (trying to figure out where he was). 

I haven't tried it with our current cockatiel, Benoulli, because
once she hears our voice she squeeches and squawks and whistles. She
does this when I come home from work. I usually wait til she calms 
down a little because I don't want to get in the habit of taking her 
out as soon as I get home. So far she been pretty good but if I
wait to long then she make herself known real loud :)

  Nancy Rabel				nmr1248@venus.lerc.nasa.gov 
  Space Station Freedom                 --... ...--   -.. . KC4IYD
  NASA - Lewis Research Center          stamp collector, SF addict
From: slybz@cc.usu.edu (Tanya Olsen)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Black Cages vs. White
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:47:14 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

> Just for your info, This person said they paint the cages black
> so that the bars don't reflect a lot of light and the bird
> doesn't have to stare through shiny white or chrome bars all
> day.  This sounds reasonable to me.
> 
> Mark


My amazon hated its cage!  It was painted stark white.  It got chipped and
scratched up and my mom repainted it black.  Now it loves the cage.  I think
the blackness helps them to see how without obstruction as well.

As a sideline, we once had the bird outside in the cage, hanging in the shade
of a tree.  My brother left for just a couple of minutes (the bird doesn't like
to be alone outside).  He heard a huge crash/bang and went running to the cage. 
He saw a hawk with injured pride flying off:  the hawk evidently thought the
parrot would be easy lunch and went after it.  It never saw the cage.  The bird
was fine if a little shaken up from the jolt.

Tanya Olsen
slybz@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: FB.MXP@forsythe.stanford.edu (Michelle Pallas)
Subject: Escaped pets?
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:07:51 GMT

For anybody interested/with bright ideas on what to do about it -

My office mate has complained lately (last week or so) of "parrots"
flying around her house and neighbors houses squawking and carrying
on.  I suspect they're someone's escaped darlings, and if anybody
can catch them my office mate would no doubt be immensely grateful.
She says they're green - I have no other particulars, sorry!

She lives at 4105 Keith Drive in Campbell, and says the birds have
been hanging around within a three-house radius for the past couple
days.

Michelle
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: How to Tame Parakeets?nex
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:08:45 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Jul28.050902.4388@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, kaw4t@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Kent A. Watsen) writes:
> In article <1992Jul28.002620.29919@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> kaw4t@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Kent A. Watsen) writes:
>>Scott A. Steinbrink writes:
>>>SI'm the proud owner of 4 parakeets - only ONE of them will let me pet her,
>>>or perch on my finger -- the other three just flies away -- Sometimes I had
>>>to catch three when it's time for them to go to bed -- I even tried taking
>>>one by one to the bathroom and try handtaming them - it doesn't work.
>>>
>>>ANy suggestions?
>>
>>I am not an expert here, but I purchased a parakeet two days ago. He
>>came as an adult from the pet store so I am not sure if he received
>>any training (doubtful).  I find myself able to hold my index finger
>>in front of him down by his feet.  If I move it toward him so that I
>>am touching his chest by his feet, he will step onto my finger.
>>
>>I have a couple of questions as well. What sort of care must I give
>>when it comes to clipping his nails (special scissors?) and room 
>>temperature? Also, what sort of training/tricks can parakeet do?
>>
> 
> Sorry to post again, but I have four concerns now which I was not aware
> of before. One: my parakeet's beak is looking green.  My friend's bird has
> a nice dark yellow beak. Two: His upper-left nostrail appears to be clogged.
> It definetly doesn't look the same as his other or my friend's bird's. Three:
> I have had him for a day now and have yet to see him eat or drink.  Four: He
> is dirty around the anal area.  (no easy way to put that one).
> 
> Anyway, I would really appreciate if anybody could cover these four me...kw

YOu have a sick bird.  Get him to a bird vet or if you can't find one, get
some bird antibiotics immediately and put them in his water.

Sue
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: kaw4t@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Kent A. Watsen)
Subject: Budgie's better
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 03:23:07 GMT

	First of all, thanks to everybody who responded to my previous
post. After all the concern expressed, I went to the bookstore on my 
lunch break and read about everything there is too know about budgies.
I knew that I had a serious problem so I took him to the vet.

	The vet advertised bird-care so I felt confident that he would
be able to help us out.  As it turns out, my bird is suffering from
a combination of symptoms. The most serious of which is the infection
in his nose which clogged his left cere. This is cured by first using a
pin to pop any dried puss, then appyling a drop of Gentocin Opth to each
nostrail twice a day; also I must crush 1/2 pill of Baytril and add to
1/2 cc juice and administer 1/4 cc twice daily. The second most serious 
situation is the messy anal area -- actually just the result of dirareha 
(sp?), this also caused the green beak as he was trying to clean himself 
-- which is a common result of moving a bird to a new enviroment. A good
cleaning took care of this. In addition to medication, he is to rest in
his cage for awhile (boohoo) until better.

	Hopefully he will be up and flying in a week! :)

Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: mike@crg4.waterloo.edu (Mike Aksmanovic)
Subject: Amazon wary of my hands.
Keywords: amazon hands
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 02:02:01 GMT

Hi,

I've had a double-yellow headed amazon (1 yr. old now) for 5 months.
She has almost no fear of my face and will let me kiss her or rub my
nose against her (almost) anywhere on her body. My hands are another
matter though. It takes quite some coaxing sometimes to get her into
the 'mood' to let me touch/scratch her. Could anyone shed some light
on the apparent discrepancy in behaviour and how I could get her to
trust my hands more?

OdBirdStory:
Last Saturday morning while we were watching Star Trek, she started
screaming all of a sudden for no apparent reason. It took me a moment
to clue into the fact that Capt. Kirk had just ordered a red alert
and my bird was screaming right along with the red alert klaxon on
the show (on key and in sync). Sigh. My bird the trekkie.

In need of bird psychologist,
	Mike Aksmanovic - mike@crg4.waterloo.edu | mike@crg4.uwaterloo.ca

/ There is one last reason for caring ... the reason why so many people have  \
| devoted their lives to protecting the likes of rhinos, parakeets, kakapos   |
| and dolphins. And it is simply this: the world would be a poorer, darker,   |
\ lonelier place without them. - M. Carwardine (Last Chance to See)           /
From: djb@tadtec.co.uk (Diana Bray)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: taking budgies outdoors ???
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:42:04 GMT
Organization: Tadpole Technology plc
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2

Talking of birds being allowed to roam free (eg the macaws at Rode in the
UK), I'm sure I've heard of homing budgies.  A bit like homing pidgeons,
but budgies.

Anyone else heard of this?

Diana Bray.
From: Debby.Steele@bird.com (Debby Steele)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: ROPE TOYS DISCLAIMER
Date: 23 Jul 92 03:46:30 GMT


 > 
 >  PATH: 30925/1
 > 



 > Hey - it's your vet bill!  Like I said, I have finches, and finches
 > are way too dim to actually PLAY with anything....  Their main form
 > of recreation seems to be panicking and flying into walls.

I disagree with that. I have all kinds of finches and I have toys in all my
cages. All of my finches play with toys. They love little leather hanging toys,
swings, and plastic rings, and small rope toys. I find canaries and finches to
be intelligent and entertaining.



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From: rdmiller@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Ruth D Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: budgie molting -- stress-induced?
Date: 27 Jul 1992 12:16:34 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Keywords: molting; causes

In article <Bs0J95.2qq@acsu.buffalo.edu> psylum@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu (Jan Hastrup) writes:
>My three budgies have a temporary cockatiel guest for two weeks.
>One of the keets who is somewhat afraid of the tiel also started
>a heavy-duty molt the day after the tiel's arrival.  Could this
>be stress- or noise-related?  The other two are molting a little 
>more than usual too, even the one who seems interested/not afraid.
>
>another week to go.  Sommer (the chief molter) has lots and lots
>of spare feathers apparently, because he doesn't look much 
>different.  But the bottom of the cage could have filled a nice
>birdy pillow.  (They're so cute when they tuck their heads under
>their wings, though, who needs a pillow . . .) 
>
>What things/temperatures/etc. usually trigger molting in keets
>and other wonderful feathered flying lizard-folks?

That much feather-dropiing in a matter of a day or 2 sounds like feather-
plucking rather than moulting proper, to me.  It is brought on by stress
and/or boredom--in out lovebird it's desire to breed and frustration.
The best thing to do in that case is provide distraction--a change in routine,
move the cage to a different location, provide some different toys...Or
get a nestbox and set the budgies up for breeding. 

You don't say what you are feeding--a recent change in diet, I understand,
can bring on mount esp if the previous diet was protein-deficient (read
seeds only).(^^^^^oops, I meant to type moult :-)  Anyway you want to act
quickly if it is feather picking because this bad habit once started is
hard to break, and the bird may pluck itself completely bare below the 
neck!

I'm inclined to guess that your houseguest is not the culprit in this
problem, anyway.

Ruth
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: taking budgies outdoors ???
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:51:46 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

wolf@prosun.first.gmd.de (Wolfgang Koehler) writes:


>Maybe this is a stupid question.

>I wonder if it is possible to take our budgie outdoors on my sholder.
>I think it is possible for bigger parakeets, why not for budgies.

>She is very tame and immediatly comes on my sholder, when I call her.

>Of course, I would not take any risk to let her fly away...


  Don't do it.  Curiosity of the other wild birds will make her
take flight.  You may never see her again, especially if she decides
to try and follow one of the other birds which happens to fly by.
The risk is too great!
From: deb90@ccc.amdahl.com (David E Ben-Jamin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: tiel's nails
Summary: do they need clipping?
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:22:06 GMT
Reply-To: deb90@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (David E Ben-Jamin)
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


As above.  I'm new to birds, I'm new to this group, so
forgive if this is a FAQ.  How important is clipping
my cockatiel`s nails?  When do you know when it's 
time?  Thanks for any and all help.

-- 


I don't need a .sig.
From: wolf@prosun.first.gmd.de (Wolfgang Koehler)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: taking budgies outdoors ???
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:38:21 GMT
Organization: GMD-FIRST, D-1000 Berlin 10

Maybe this is a stupid question.

I wonder if it is possible to take our budgie outdoors on my sholder.
I think it is possible for bigger parakeets, why not for budgies.

She is very tame and immediatly comes on my sholder, when I call her.

Of course, I would not take any risk to let her fly away...

wolf

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From: Debbie.Kesling@bird.com (Debbie Kesling)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: AVES ARCHIVE
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:38:15 GMT

There are TONS of great GIFs on The Bird Info Network!!!!
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From: rdmiller@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Ruth D Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Have you telephoned your bird lately?
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:51:55 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

've not tried calling our kids on the phone, but once I taped them for
a while when they were talking and then played the tape back thru the
stereo when they were out (this was before the big cage and the app't
with nice chewy shredable wallpaper :-).  It was hilarious watching
them--they flew to the speakers and walked around them trying to find
the other bird, calling in response to the tape, and not getting the right
response back.  (LOvebirds have particular meanings to most of their
calls--taping and playing back was a good way to help me learn Lovebird!)

Ruth
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: sergio@Ingres.COM (Sergio L Aponte)
Subject: Small crisis, happy ending...
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: net
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:43:07 GMT

	"morning" escaped! But he (she?) is back...

	Even do I thought his wings were clipped, morning managed to take off.
	I am inside the house, doing some chores, and suddenly he sounded
	to be farther away than usuall...

	So I go outside to the patio, and there he is perched on the fence
	betwen my townhouse and the neighbor... I approach slowly, put my finger
	in front of him, and he takes off again. Can't seem to get much
	altitude, but he gets across to the other neighbors patio. Now, they are
	not home, and I am worried he will take off, so I try to call him
	over, whistles, etc... All of the sudden, he takes off again, over my
	head, on to the street, out of mi sight.... gone. :-(

	Sufering. Confused, I don't know what to do. I put the cage with th
	other two Cockatiels outside, maybe their noise will attract morning
	back. I look around trees. Then, I got on my PC, wrote a small flier
	and passed it around the whole block, door by door... Night falls and
	morning is not back. Haven't been seen. Gone.

	A minor explanation. I have posted here before about Guchi, Morning and
	Midnight. (The kids named them). Guchi is very tame, full yellow, loves
	to be handled, scratched, and loves to sit on your shoulder. Midnight
	is shy. He doesn't like to be touched, but seems more nervous 
	han anything else. Then, there is Morning. He is just plain mean. He is
	not shy, he hisses and tryes to bite you. All the same, they are
	a gang, and midnight misses morning A LOT when they get separated.

	Next morning. Morning gone. No calls. My brother comes in thru the
	door and says the found him. We all run out. About half a block away,
	another kid from the area points him out to me, high on a tree. My
	brother gets a ladder, climbs up, and morning gets scared and moves
	to another branch. My brother continues, gets very close, and morning 
	takes off, this time accross a fence to an empty field, out of view.

	As I whistle, HE ANSWERS! My brother and the kid jump the fence and
	follow his calls  until the get a hold of him. He proceeds to almos bite
	off one of my brother's fingers, but he won't let go. Finally, we get
	him back to his cage, ruffled but very alert. Seemed hungry, started
	eating right away.

    I gave him a couple of hours to settle down, and then clipped his wings.
    He bit me a copule of times, but, I am glad he is home...

    Just bought a anual special issue of birds magazine, which happens
    to have an article on escaped birds. Remember

    1) Don't despair
    2) Neighbors will help. Let as many people as possible know. The more
    eyes the better your chances...

--
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Sergio L. Aponte, SMTS @ Ingres, an ASK Company                   <*,*>
Internet : sergio@coqui.ingres.com                                [`-']  Keko
UUCP     : {sun,mtxinu,pyramid,pacbell}!ingres!coqui!sergio       _"_"_  Jones
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: rnewlund@vitalink.com (Robin Newlund)
Subject: Re: FAQ list
Reply-To: rnewlund@vitalink.com (Robin Newlund)
Organization: Vitalink Communications
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:09:53 GMT

How about this one, don't know if it's a FAQ or not. Is it OK to kiss
your bird. My vet says no, plus don't feed bird off your eating utensil,
don't give them a bite off some food your mouth has touched. That they can 
catch germs or E-coli (their systems can't handle this friendly to humans 
bateria). The breeder says kissing is OK, but agrees with the rest of the 
vet's advise. Any comments??

Robin Newlund
rnewlund@vitalink.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: sergio@Ingres.COM (Sergio L Aponte)
Subject: Re: tiel's nails
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: net
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:59:21 GMT

	I would like some more info on this, if possible...

	On several issues.

	I have three, Guchi is very friendly and tame, so (he/she) is
	the only one I've been able to cut nails for. I worry about
	the other two because their nails seem to be getting very long.

	1) On a less tame bird, what techniques are there to holding. As
	much as I try, holding the bird is hard, holding the leg is harder,
	holding the toe so that I won't cut it is next to impossible, and
	that is Guchi, the tame one...

	2) After cutting, it seemed for about a couple of weeks he/she couldn't
	hold on to anything, and keep sliding of my shoulder, etc... I noticed
	it was directly related to the nails. Does this produce strees on the
	bird? Is there a way to help the bird out so he/she won't feel
	defenseless?

	Any more info would be appreciated...
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Sergio L. Aponte, SMTS @ Ingres, an ASK Company                   <*,*>
Internet : sergio@coqui.ingres.com                                [`-']  Keko
UUCP     : {sun,mtxinu,pyramid,pacbell}!ingres!coqui!sergio       _"_"_  Jones
From: Debbie.Kesling@bird.com (Debbie Kesling)
Sender: FredMail@bird.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: AVES ARCHIVE
Date: 21 Jul 92  00:38:15 EST

There are TONS of great GIFs on The Bird Info Network!!!!
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