HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Mott in Horne's signature
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:25:09 GMT
Reply-To: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com ()
Organization: IBM Austin Advanced Workstation Division

In article <1992Apr11.005804.10217@cs.yale.edu>, horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU
(Scott Horne) writes:

> [In my signature:]
> <ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!
> <
> <It means:
> <
> <Tibet and China are one family, Let's build prosperous China together.
> 
> No.  What it means is
> 
> 	Tibetans and Han Chinese, working together to build a
> 	prosperous China.
> 
> 					--Scott
> 

This reveals how stubborn and stupid Scott Horne is.
He even dares to correct a Chinese from explaining his copied stupid
Chinese slogan.

YI4 JIA1 -- in Chinese is "one family". No doubt about it.
If we let this con artist still bowwow, the whole world would be a hell.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: marcos@pdx047 (Marcos O. Camargo)
Subject: An Agricultural Institute in South Korea
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:40:00 GMT


Does anybody have the email or regular address of an agricultural institute
in South Korea?  I am interested in peach varieties native to China and
Korea and would like to know if it is possible to get some information about
these varieties.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 


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Intel Corp.  JF1-19           |  phone :  (503) 696-4273
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: js92@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jungshik  Shin)
Subject: Re: Internet link in korea
Reply-To: js92@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jungshik  Shin)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:13:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.185825.25594@mcs.anl.gov> park@anmsd3.msd.anl.gov writes:
>In article <11112@borg.cs.unc.edu>, rhee@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Injong Rhee) writes...
>>Recently, Kyung Pook ( or Kyung Book ) National University has gotten 
>>connected to internet( congratulation to you guys out at KPU!!). 
>>I am not sure about its IP address ...
>
>Name:    BH.KPNU.AC.KR
>Address:  192.135.230.2
  Here go two more at KPNU

  ROUTER.KPNU.AC.KR  192.135.230.1
  CCGW.KPNU.AC.KR    192.135.230.3  

  You can look up host using 'host' look-up command. (e.g. 
  'host -l kaist.ac.kr.' 'host -l ac.kr.'.  Note  the period at
  the end of address which should be attacted. )

Jungshik Shin | APS(Am.Phys.Soc.)  | E-mail              |The unreasonable try  
Columbia Univ.| OSA(Opt.Soc.Am)    |Internet:js92@cunixb.|to change their    
New York      | IEEE member        |cc.columbia.edu      |society to fit their 
Tel. 212-932-3860                  |Bitnet:js92@cunixc   |ideal. Bernard Shaw
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shin@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Dong Hun Shin)
Subject: Re: HanjaTalk 6.0.7 -- Hanja Input
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 16:47:57 GMT
Organization: Field Robotics Center, CMU
Reply-To: shin@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Dong Hun Shin)
Distribution: usa

Could anybody let me know which issue of CD ROM magazine Develop has
Mac Korean System 7.0.1, if it is released?  In addition, how can we
get a Hanja dictionary or some korean fonts other than Seoul and Munjo?
I remember that a SCK netter posted he uses a lot of korean fonts
(with some printing problems).  Thanks in advance.
--
Dong Hun Shin			  
Field Robotics Center           
The Robotics Institute          shin@frc.ri.cmu.edu
Carnegie Mellon University	Phone: (412) 268-6987
Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890	Fax: (412) 682-1793
From: yeshwant@gummo.cse.ogi.edu (Yeshwant K Muthusamy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Request for more KOREAN voices!
Date: 9 Apr 92 04:18:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.36051
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute - Computer Science & Engineering


My earlier postings to this newsgroup requesting voices were a major 
success. We received a total of 125 calls in KOREAN out of which 
93 were evaluated to be usable (i.e. calls that were not hangups).
A BIG THANK YOU to all of you who graciously helped out by calling 
and recording their voices!

In the second phase of our database collection, we are concentrating
on those languages that have less than 100 USABLE calls. We still need
quite a few KOREAN voices. So if you have not called before, PLEASE DO!

Yeshwant

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                      WE NEED YOUR VOICE!!
                              at
         The Center for Spoken Language Understanding
                   Oregon Graduate Institute


Are you a NATIVE speaker of Korean?

If so, we need your help in building a multi-language database of
speech recorded over the TELEPHONE. This database is to be used for
my PhD thesis research on automatic language identification.

We have set up a TOLL-FREE line (for the US and Canada) that is open 
round-the-clock:

PLEASE CALL 1-800-441-1077

There is also a local area number for the Portland (Oregon)
metropolitan area and for international sites where the toll-free
number does not work:

PLEASE CALL (503) 690-1012

You will need a touch-tone phone for this call. After a short greeting
in English, a pre-recorded message in KOREAN will guide you through a 
recording session. Please respond to the prompts in KOREAN only.
The entire call will take about 5 minutes. The speech that you provide
will be used for research purposes only.

**ALL CALLERS REMAIN ANONYMOUS**. This research is not being funded by 
any agency or company.

If you have any questions or comments, any problems with the call, or 
would just like more information about this project, call Yeshwant 
Muthusamy at (503) 690-1431.

Please pass on this message to others at your site who do not have net
access. Feel free to forward this message to all the relevant mailing 
lists and local newsgroups in your area.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP!


-----------------
Yeshwant Muthusamy                               Internet: yeshwant@cse.ogi.edu
Center for Spoken Language Understanding	  
Oregon Graduate Institute of Science and Technology
19600 NW Von Neumann Drive			 
Beaverton, OR 97006-1999			 Vmail: (503) 690-1431
USA
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From: park@anmsd3.msd.anl.gov (Yongsup Park)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Internet link in korea
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:56:32 GMT
Reply-To: park@anmsd3.msd.anl.gov
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, IL, USA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

In article <11112@borg.cs.unc.edu>, rhee@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Injong Rhee) writes...
>Hi, folks--
> 
>Recently, Kyung Pook ( or Kyung Book ) National University has gotten 
>connected to internet( congratulation to you guys out at KPU!!). 
>I am not sure about its IP address ...

Name:    BH.KPNU.AC.KR
Address:  192.135.230.2

Cheers !
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: Mott in Horne's signature
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 01:02:12 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.190511.2116@udel.edu>, shin@snow-white.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:
<
[About my signature:]
<Really?  A reliable friend of mine told me that was abreviation for 
<'Everything for glorious chairman Mao's and the people's liberation front 
<as long as it is China's people.'

Your friend just lost his reliability.  Go learn some Chinese, and you'll
understand why.  (Actually, you don't even have to bother learning Chinese.
You can see that Mao's name doesn't occur in that short message.)

<Just look at the last post by Scott
<Horne laced with lies and half truths regarding China on Tibet.

I defy you to challenge those alleged "lies and half truths".

					--Scott

-- 
Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: js92@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jungshik  Shin)
Subject: Re: "Superiority"
Reply-To: js92@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jungshik  Shin)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:46:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.081720.8084@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu) writes:
>
>I'm pissed off to see people (Ex. Scott Horne) being attacked for simply 
>and plainly stating what they believe to be historical facts.  Some netters
                               ???????

   Problem lies in 'Believe' and  What can not be confirmed or not
   based on solid evidence.  Scott Horne mentioned a 'Chinese Classic'
   with all evidence for what he BELIEVE. Then, why didn't he name the
   title of that so-called 'classic' at the beginning of this debate?
   I'm more than willing to see him name the title of the book.  He
   just talked of several circumstantial evidences and his belief
   whether it's true or not.  His way of debate is something like
   declaring 'cold fusion' on the press conference ,not in scientific
   journal. If he had a solid evidence, he must have explicitely given
   us whatever he has to support his very radical (to Korean) idea
   like Hangul was developed by as many Chinese scholars as Korean
   scholars. (In that point, he is quite inconsistent. He in one
   article said that we Korean are proud of SOMEONE ELSE's invention, which
   seem to me to meant that Hangul was made soley by NON-Koreans. On
   the other articles, he said that both Korean and Chinese scholars
   took part in its development. Excuse me for not directly quoting
   his articles. But, he surely showed this kind of inconsitency.)
  
      One more thing to say. Maybe he has read a Chinese book about
      'Hangul's developmnet and Chinese involvment in it. Even if that
      book described that many Chinese participated in Hangul
      development, it's not enough evidence for his argument because
      there are many books denying his argument.  A true historian
      would not ignore sources against his argument and would not base
      his argument solely on a book when there are many conflicting
      sources.   



      
>in .culture groups would go nuts because somebody doesn't praise their 
>culture.  I believe, Horne, for example, didn't express any personal/emotional
>attachment to his opinions.  His subject to this kind of
>"chauvinistic attitude" anyway.  

>We are here to communicate and exchange ideas, not to simply praise the
>culture by anymeans.
>So be ready and humble to accept/anticipate criticisms.
     No doubt about that...  However, apart from chauvinistic
     attitude, we can and must have pride on our culture.

>	kb2lha


Jungshik Shin | APS(Am.Phys.Soc.)  | E-mail              |The unreasonable try  
Columbia Univ.| OSA(Opt.Soc.Am)    |Internet:js92@cunixb.|to change their    
New York      | IEEE member        |cc.columbia.edu      |society to fit their 
Tel. 212-932-3860                  |Bitnet:js92@cunixc   |ideal. Bernard Shaw
From: luism@genesis.Berkeley.EDU (Luis Miguel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Need English <--> Korean trasnlators...
Summary: Looking for Korean translators..
Keywords: korean english translators
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:31:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: pasteur.1992Apr16.043143.19847
Organization: TRANSCEND

TRANSCEND is, once again, looking for English <--> Korean
translators (both directions).

 - We have immediate need for people experienced in the medical field.
   (Other fields we have work "in the pipeline")
   
 - Send name, phone number, address, email address,
	mention previous translating experience,
	areas or topics of expertise (medicine, agriculture, etc)
	hardware and software available to you (Macintosh, laser printer,
	Korean word processor, etc).

 - Thank you VERY MUCH....

 
 Luis Miguel, Ph. D.
    or
 Maria Mindlin, M.A.

luis@cs.berkeley.edu
TRANSCEND
265 Grande Ave.
Davis, Ca. 95616
(916) 756-5834
FAX (916) 756-4810

-- 
Luis Miguel. Computer Science Division, UC Berkeley.
arpanet: luis@postgres.Berkeley.EDU         
uucp: {ihnp4,decvax}!ucbvax!postgres!luis                    
at&t: (415) 642-8234
From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: "Superiority"
Date: 7 Apr 92 09:44:37 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <69733@ut-emx.uucp> BGCN134@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU writes:
>In article <1992 Apr 2. 063042.28598@cs.yale.edu> writes:
>>Oh, and something I forgot to mention: Han'gul was based on Chinese
>>letterforms..............
>
>From this sentence, you must understand both Korean and Chinese.
>Could you give me any specific examples shopwing that Han gul was
>based on Chinese letterform comparing two written language?

It is not the two written languages that one should compare; it is the
two scripts.  Compare the shapes of the _han'gu<l_ letters and the basic
components of Chinese characters, as well as the way syllables/characters
are built out of these elements.

>> And if it hadn't bben for the Chinese, perhaps Koreans never
>> would have had a written language!...................
>
>May I interpret your saying as follows?
>If it had not been for alphabet of English, perhaps all the countries
>using alphabet of English NEVER would have had their written languages!

No.  Not all of them.  Some of them, maybe.

(1) Many of the languages which currently use the Roman alphabet under
English influence have been previously written in some other script.

(2) In many cases the designers of writing systems for Roman-written
languages have already been familiar with writing systems different
from English.

Neither of these has been the case with Korean vs Chinese.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: Korean writing system (Why question ?)
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 03:19:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.014641.457@yvax.byu.edu>, evensens@yvax.byu.edu writes:
< 
<> Not true.  _Han'gu<l_ letters can be written out in series without any
<> ambiguity.  Try it.
<
<You can't be serious here Scott. It is VERY difficult to read Han'gu<l that has
<been written out in a series and not in the proper syllable form.

I've never said otherwise.  Please pay attention.  (But I'll say it now.
The only reason it's difficult for you to read _han'gu<l_ written in series
is that you're not used to it.)

					--Scott

-- 
Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Subject: Re: Japan's Sex Tourist (Forwarded from soc.culture.japan)
Reply-To: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 16:02:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.235946.18268@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.163509.24619@acsu.buffalo.edu> jae@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jaehoon Lee) writes:
>>Following article was posted on soc.culture.japan.
>>I guess the originator does not mind my forwarding this to here...
>>---- Beginning of forwarded article ----
>>Newsgroups:   bit.listserv.seasia-l
>>Date:         Sun, 5 Apr 1992 18:18:23 PDT
>>Sender: Southeast Asia Discussion List <SEASIA-L%MSU.bitnet@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU>
>>.....................[stuff].....
>>   Aoki said the guidebook reflects a sexism prevalent in Japanese
>>society.
>
>I've been wondering for a long time WHY sexism appears to be much more
>prevalent in Japan than other East Asian countries like Korea and China.
>Any thoughts?
>

Me too.  I don't think Japanese males have higher level of hormone.  There
has to be some hitorical or cultral explanation, if this is all true.

>>many Japanese men read pornographic comic books and magazines while they
>>commute on subways.
>
>Big deal.  
>Hard to understand why people are more upset about people doing this sort
>of things in a less hypocritical fasion (in public) than in a hypocritical
>fasion (do in private and denounce in public).
>

I think Europian Daily Papers contains nude pictures too.

>>   "Our purpose was to introduce foreign countries the way they are, and
>>we have no intention to promote prostitution," Japan's largest
>>newspaper, Yomiuri, quoted a Bestsellers editor as saying.
>>--- End of Article ---
>
>I accept this explaination.

How about, "We don't care whether it promotes prostitution or not, as long
as the book sells."

>
>harry/kb2lha

Andy Kim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: language vs writing system, once and for all
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:13:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.223648.1000@lsil.com> chong@lsil.com writes: 
>One need look no further to prove this by looking
>in a Korean to English dictionary. You will see many chinese words. As a
>matter of fact, sometimes I can guess some meaning of Korean words by just
>their pronounciation which resemble Chinese in many circumstances.

A large percentage of Korean words came from Chinese.  It is a known fact.
Often, they are written in Chinese characters.  Most of our names have
Chinese character representation.  These Chinese words have been in Korean
language for so long that they usually escape national-language-purity
movement intact, whereas English and Japanese are always treated as foreign
evil.

But, it is the words that you are talking about.  The writing system is
another story.  And grammar is another.  I do not speak Chinese, but
everyone told me the grammar is very different from Korean.

>V.Chong		lsil!chong

James Choi
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Birthday greetings
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 07:58:56 GMT

I'd like to take this opportunity to wish President Kim Ilsung a happy
eightieth birthday.

					--Scott

-- 
Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
Shao2shan1 sheng1 de tai4yang2 yong3 bu2 luo4!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Subject: Re: Super-set system
Keywords: Korea, writing system
Reply-To: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Organization: Deep in the dungeons of New York
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:57:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.183614.12003@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>Dear Ladies and Gentlemen:
>
>It seems like we are going through a cyclic argument.  To break this boring
>cycle, I decided to use a "parallel" example.
>

Let me add one more piece to this cycle too. :)

>
> [Indian music have more notes]
>
>Now, is it a superb music scale?  I would say no because I would not like
>the music played on that scale (listening to citar music for an extended
>period of time is tiring for me) and I DO NOT NEED that many notes.  All I
>need is 12 tones per octave.  And I do not feel that this 12 tone
>quantization is limiting my creative process.  Any writing system can
>produce infinite number of distincitve words, just like 12 tones can
>produce infinite number of music.  Of course, 24 tone scale can produce
>infinite^2 (or is it infinite^12?) so number, but do you care?
>

Each writing system is best suited for its *language* as each music scale
notation fits best with the music where it is used.  If you consider that
as a main function of writing system, it will be impossible to compare
because each writing system serves different purposes.  One thing we could
attempt to do, however, is to compare each writing system based on its
ability to represent sounds, because it is the common function of all the
writing system and relatively similar criteria can be applied to the
evaluation. 

Here comes the heart and soul of your argument (IMHO) : "but do you care?"
It is a *very* good question.  No matter how many sounds a writing system
can represent, it is to be used to form a language after all.  If a writing
system is good enough to be used with a language, what kind of difference
does it make if one can represent 10^12 sounds while others can only 10^11
sounds?  Obviously people don't care, since they all use different systems.
But that still does not change the fact that if we use the same evaluation
method, one has to come out better than the other.  Let's say we are just
being geeky.  But let's face it, we all *love* rankings.  Even if we don't
use all of 'em, isn't it nice to know there is a capability?

Maybe there is more to it than music notes.  Each music note represent
certain pitch and wavelength.  There is only so much difference in
wavelength human can recognize.  In case of sounds, though, there are so
many different sounds in the world that we recognize and would like to put
on writing.  When I put the sound of explosion "POW!", I want the readers
to hear the same sound I heard, or as closely as it can get.  We can
evaluate writings systems with that approach and we can come up with
winners and losers with some margin of error.  The result is nothing to
brag about, but it is valid, nontheless.

[ Indians use 22 note octave?  Thank goodness I didn't have to study
Indian Music.  :) ]

Andy T Kim
jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: ahn@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (john.k.ahn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: language vs writing system, once and for all
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:26:32 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr14.174443.24008@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim) writes:
>>In addition, I will also consider giving names that can be easily written
>>in English.  In other words, names that can be written in English and 
>>pronounced close to actual pronunciation of the name or names that can be
>>translated into a nice word, say Soo-Jeong and Crystal, just an example...
>>
>
>How about Eugene?  That's only name I know of which can be written in
>Korean, Chinese and English without any problem.  Does anyone know of any
>more?  My wife an I are planning to have a baby soon.  We might as well
>think ahead...  :)

I am sure there are plenty of these.  My children's generation is to have
Tae as the common letter (dol-lim ja).  So my niece is Tammy, my first
daughter is Teri (OK, it isn't exactly Tae sound, but it's close).
I wanted to name my second daughter Tara (again, slightly different
but close enough) but my wife wanted a more traditional name (TaeEun).

J. Ahn
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean