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From: mark@trillian.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Manning)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: //c Modem Pinouts
Date: 7 Apr 1992 23:05:56 GMT
Organization: Simulacron I

I ran a GBBS bbs on my //c for about two years until one of my
callers gave me their //gs.  (Thanks Mark!)  Anyway, it does
require a special cable which I bought through "Cables Are U.S."
or whoever it was here in Texas.  I had to mail order it, but
the other guy is correct also.  L&L will send you a cable if
you need it.  Let me say that, with the proper cable, you won't
have any problems with people hanging up in the middle of a
transmission, or with not being able to detect a carrier.  I
never had any problems with it.  Only with people crashing GBBS
Pro itself.  And after re-writing the bbs code I haven't even
ever had that problem re-occur.

Some problems with GBBS that I ran into:

1. The system would, at various times, overwrite the user file
   thus making back-ups a must.

2. The GBBS bbs would (sometimes) allow people in under bogus
   accounts.  This was tracked down to a stack overflow which
   wasn't detected.

3. Every now and then the software would freeze up.  Again, a stack
   error.

Anyway - you can always simply rewrite the bbs software.  It isn't
all that hard.  Just don't try to use arrays and floating points.
At least - they weren't in my copy.  :-)
From: bsherman@mthvax.cs.miami.edu (Bob Sherman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Still searching for 6.0
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:51:16 GMT
Organization: Not much!
NNTP-Posting-Host: mthvax.cs.miami.edu

In <LqLwiB1w165w@halcyon.com> wrd@halcyon.com (william dickson) writes:

>Point is, I (and apparently others) can't find it, and the dealers here 
>aren't being any help.  Is there anybody I can call, at Apple perhaps, 
>and say, "Hey, such-and-such a store doesn't have System 6.0, could you 
>find out why and get it to them?"

>The store here that *does* support the II says they've ordered 200 copies 
>of the package, but they don't seem to be aware that they should have the 
>disks available for free upgrade (which is all I can afford until the IRS 
>check comes in).  I told them they should, and asked them to look for it, 
>but they brushed me off.  I'm looking for alternate routes.  Any 
>suggestions?

A good place to look is your local Apple Users Group. Every group received
the system disks from Apple back in March so they could provide them to
their members.. You are a member of a users group, right????

By the way, think about this. As the operating systems (both Mac and Apple
II) get larger, there are more and more disks for a dealer to copy to
provide you with the FREE upgrade you are looking for. When it amounted
to a disk or two, most every dealer was willing to do it.. As the Mac
system grew larger (7+ disks) most dealers drew the line and said no more.

As several dealers have commented to me. We have to take an employee who
we are paying by the hour off of whatever project he is working on and
copy all of these disks every time someone walks into the store, in most
cases they are people who have never purchased anything major from us, 
and they bring their cheapie special disks with them (don't even have the 
decency to buy a box of disks from us) and almost "demand" that we give them
free copies.. Of course, in these days, you have to take into account that
to provide the disks, the dealer would need to have an Apple GS on the
floor, and many don't.. However I think most any dealer would be glad to
go to the expense to get you the disks if you had bought all of your
hardware, software, disks, printer supplies etc. from them... If you
are a mail order customer and think the dealer is only good for freebies,
then think again.. Maybe you should call the mail order company where you
spend your money for the free upgrade.. If you are the type who pirates
your software, then it would be only proper to go to the same pirate
sources to get your system software..

To sum it up, it is now too costly for dealers to make free copies
of a half dozen disks for everyone who walks in the door.. Before you
throw flames in my direction, let me say, I am not now, nor have I ever
been an Apple dealer. I am only onpassing comments made tot( me by
dealers in various parts of the country..
 
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From: 2frjbits@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Preston Park)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6 Icons question
Date: 5 Apr 92 21:24:11 CDT
Organization: Macrocosm BBS 913-841-9446

In article <1992Apr3.070651.27192@cheshire.oxy.edu>, prophet@cheshire.oxy.edu (Dale LaFountain) writes:
> 
> I read the Shortcuts file, and I tried both Option-Double click and 
> Ctrl-Option-Double click.  However, I have discovered that this doesn't
> work for files that don't already have an icon definition in */Icons.

You have to at least have an icon in an icons folder mapped to the file that 
you want to map to the application, so you will have to create one.  You
can map it to an application "foo" and let the finder map it for you to store
it in the Desktop file.

Not pretending to be a System 6 "know-anything", but it would seem that the
reason for this is that just option-double clicking on a finder icon does not
give the finder enough information to map that icon to an application.  I.e.,
if you option double click on a BIN file with the name "mobius.SHK", the finder
doesn't know if you want to map every BIN file to that application, every file
with the name "mobius.SHK", "mobius.*", "*.SHK", or whatever, so it doesn't
even try.  

A nifty dialogue that says "Map icon based on..." and gives several options
might be nice for a System 6.x, but I can understand why it wasn't included
in this version.  The way it is now already has my "Mac" friends slapping
their forheads :p  Instead they're stuck with loads of garbage they never use
like "baloon help".  I think it was Andy Nichols who said "We're not making
a System 7 clone.  We're trying to make changes that make sense and are
practical." [paraphrased]
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From: mark@trillian.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Manning)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Why no Small C?
Date: 7 Apr 1992 17:54:31 GMT
Organization: Simulacron I

Sounds kind of wild.  Do they know about this bug?
From: 2frjbits@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Preston J. Park)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6 Icons question
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:31:10 CDT
Organization: Macrocosm BBS: 913-841-9446

In article <1992Apr6.173230.453@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bp664@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Grover Thomas) writes:
> 
> Hey, how do I remove the application map from a particular icon.
> Lets say I boo-boo'd and I mapped the icon to the wrong app??

       Control and Control-option and/or Command-control-option seem to
save changes you make (moving files around on your desktop, remapping icons,
etc.)
       In General, just hold down every modifier key you can get your hands
on while double-clicking :)

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From: j0p7771@tamuts.tamu.edu (Jason Perez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Currency of comp.binaries.apple2 archive sites
Date: 10 Apr 92 07:15:19 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station

In article <9204091322.AA28788@TIS.COM> tmplee@TIS.COM (Theodore Lee) writes:
>Does anyone know which of the (US) internet/bitnet archive sites
>listed in the FAQ are currently being actively updated with the
>comp.binaries.apple2 feed?  When someone suggested that something I
>was looking for had been recently sent out on comp.binaries.apple2 I

  try tybalt.caltech.edu, it's usually got the latest stuff.

Jason Perez				| "Frodo Lives!"       "Gig 'em!"
j0p7771@tamuts.tamu.edu			| Texas A&M Univ. - it's not just for 
j0p7771@sigma.tamu.edu			|                   farmers anymore!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: irsman@iastate.edu (Ian R Schmidt)
Subject: Re: System 6 Launcher!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:41:45 GMT

The System 6 Launcher is a code resource in the Sys.Resources file.  It is
executed when you quit and there is no previous application that had it 'run
me' bit set in the QuitGS call.  The new Start file is the guts of the SetStart
CDev (the CDev configures the Start file so it knows what to launch, clever
eh? :)  


-- 
  Ian Schmidt | irsman@iastate.edu |  I signed the SEF petition!  Did you?
"If you want something done right, 90% don't ask an Amiga owner" - The Prisoner
    "We made the Amiga and then C= f**ked it up!" - AmigaDOS Easter Egg
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu (Jim Wong)
Subject: Re: Copyrights.  Part3
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:23:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.160255.13172@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> mark@trillian.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Manning) writes:
>copyrights, and Notary Republics.  I also can not stand the "Old Wives Tales"
>which are passed around every time someone brings up a question about
>copyrighting software.  I DO really wish that those people who condone the
>mailing of sealed envelopes, the placement of the (c) symbol without actually
>copyrighting, and all other notions without merit; would simply say "I don't
>know - why not call your local copyright office?"  Folks, there are people
>there just waiting to help you.  I've never had a bad experience with the

I appreciate the effort you've put into making these posts, and I'm sorry
if you were upset about an earlier post I made referring to the fact (as
far as I know, at least) that any program one creates is copyrighted,
and its status as such can be indicated simply by putting the copyright
symbol and an appropriate message in a place that is plainly visible
to someone using the program; my information is from the book entitled
(I think) "How to Copyright Computer Software".  This book plainly
stated that putting a copyright notice does, in fact, copyright a
piece of software, and that registering a work was optional, though
it makes a copyright more likely to hold up in court.
-- 
Jim Wong (jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu)
From: r.levy@GREEN.COOPER.EDU (Rami_Levy-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: More System 6 questions
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:37:02 GMT
Organization: The Internet


my setup: 4MB Apple //gs, ROM 01, 40MB Vulcan HD, TransWarp GS, 1 3.5", 1 5.25".

Thanks to everyone for helping me out with the Vulcan HD problem & System 6.
All that was necessary to do was install the Vulcan Driver onto my boot
volume.

I still have one problem with the Vulcan-- 

The Vulcan Icon does not appear on the drives, even though it is in the 
ICONS folder.

I also have a question:

How do you add your OWN sounds to the SOUNDS folder (I.e., sounds that will 
work with SetSound) -- I tried putting a HyperStudio sound in, but it was
not recognized.  What program created the sounds in there?

Thanks in advance,

Rami

Please respond to levy@green.cooper.edu
From: tcomtaob@BLUFFS.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:22:08 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

The following revelation escaped vokey@hg.uleth.ca's lips:
> 
> an inability to boot into the finder
> (on the ROM 1), despite setting setstart to the finder -- it always boots to
> prodos 8/basic.system, and I have to invoke the finder manually from there

    Do you have the Finder named as "Finder" and the small Start program
from the Installer disk?  The SetStart CDev passes the pathname of the
startup application to it.  If you don't have anything in your System folder
named "Start", GS/OS will go looking for something ending with ".sys16".
If it doesn't find any of those, it tries ProDOS 8 which looks for the
first program that ends with ".SYSTEM".  More than likely BASIC.SYSTEM.

> Further, completely deleting the
> system folder before installing increased the rate of booting at least three-
> fold -- before, it would take upwards of 5 minutes to boot and launch
> the finder.  Last, as an experiment, I have installed the system numerous
> times over itself using the default "easy install".

    Try deleting the old System folder and then doing a full install (use
the "Install System Files" option in the Installer).  Then customize it
with the various desk accessory and INIT scripts.  It look like Easy
Install tries to analyze what is already in your System folder and then
copies over only the files that have changed.
-- 
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Dept. of Exobiology   | :::::> generic!terranet!taob@zoo.toronto.edu <:::::
University of Toronto | "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't."
From: mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Where's the Apple 2 Vaporware?
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:24:49 GMT
Organization: Developer Technical Support, Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <9203290543.AA14440@apple.com>, SEWALL@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU (Murph Sewall) writes:
> 
> On Sat, 28 Mar 92 00:26:56 -0800 unknown user <unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU> said:
> >	No Apple ii rumors at all??? what a bummer!
> >(you could've mentioned that Hypercard GS _already_ does color, and has for
> >a long time!)
> 
> Marco!  Haven't you graduated yet?  I seem to recall that "unknown user"
> handle confusing me into thinking you were simply some daemon's
> objection more than four years ago!

Graduation is usually an indication of technical proficiency, Murph.

> I'd LOVE Apple 2 rumors; the trade papers seem to have sent the Apple 2
> to the same purgatory they reserve for the Amiga (out of mind if not
> also out of sight).  Every now and then, someone DOES send me a 2 rumor
> (which I try to use).  The last one I received (I didn't use it on the
> grounds that it was depressing whereas Vaporware is mostly for fun) had
> to do with Apple telling their II DTS (developer support) team to find
> another position within Apple or to seek happiness elsewhere - followed
> by indications that some II DTS people are using their resumes for .sigs
> 
Let's clear this one up pronto before someone believes it.  There is no
"Apple II DTS" and hasn't been for a long time.  All of DTS's accounts
(AIIDTS, MACDTS, DEVHOTLINE, etc.) feed into the same database where
they're answered by people who know how to answer them.  All the people
you know are still here (Jim Luther, me, Eric Soldan, Dan Strnad, CK Haun)
and we haven't been told to go anywhere, other than home at nights.

============================================================================
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Support, Apple Computer, Inc.         | not those of Apple Computer, and
Personal mail only, please.  Thanks.  | shame on you for thinking otherwise.
^^^^^^^^ Technical questions are not personal. Please post them instead.
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From: rob.hoover@gnh-starport.cts.com (Robert Hoover)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: P8v2.0.1 and No-Slot-Clock
Date: 12 Apr 92 01:23:46 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Sat Apr 11 92 at 04:36:09 (EDT)


You need to call SMT and have them send you a new conf. disk or get a copy of
1.3. It now installs a small NS.SYSTEM file and no longer patches prodos.

        -Rob
From: unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (resU nwonknU ehT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: RamFast questions
Date: 14 Apr 92 08:15:18 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz; Open Access Computing


In article <1992Apr13.183057.367@lrc.edu> rheinze@lrc.edu writes:
}What is the purpose of the cache on the RamFast/SCSI?
}The second question is:  What is the advantage of
}increasing the size of the cache?

	The cache is very fast RAM on the card that holds a certain amount
of the previously read part of the disk.  Reading from the RAM on the card
is MUCH faster than actually going out to the disk and reading it from 
there. It is on the order of 3 orders of magnitude (1000 times) faster, 
using my made up values of the RAM being 60 nanosecond RAM, and the hard 
drive having a 60 millisecond mean access time. [60 milliseconds is actually
very slow for hard drives nowadays.. 10-20 milliseconds is more appropriate..
60 made my numbers come out right].

	The bigger the cache, the much more likely a cache hit will
occur. That is, the much more likely the data you are looking for will 
BE in the cache rather than having to go to disk.

}(I presently have 256k that came with it)
}Anyone know the cost for expanding the cache?

	I don't know the prices, but I suggest you find out what types
of chips you need and buy them from an electronics store and install them
yourself.  You will save _lots_ of money.
-- 
/unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu GS SIMM mem card & trackball WANTED  Apple II Forever!\
\Mail me:Get INFOCOM GAMES RERELEASED,ULT VI GS done,for UNIX GS&CHEAP CD info/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Shane M Zatezalo)
Subject: Metal Spring Fling!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 20:58:59 GMT

Wilson Wares and Frontier Technologies announces
 
The Metal/FV Spring Fling!
 
 
You've heard about it, you've called the boards that are using it, and
you've probably even seen the "demo" disk!
 
And now's your chance to actually use it!
 
For a limited time (from April 15th, 1992 to June 15, 1992), Wilson Wares
and Frontier Technologies is offering special rates on the Metal/FV program.
 
Fling number 1: Complete Metal/FV program and documentation files for $90.00
                (this is a $5.00 savings).
 
Fling number 2: "Half" Metal/FV program and limited documentation (will not
                 work with the modem, but everything else works) for $45.00
                 You can then upgrade after the Spring Fling to the real
                 thing for $45.00 (this is a $5.00 savings, and a really
                 cheap way of checking the thing out).
 
Fling number 3: "Upgrading" from Acos/GBBS to Metal/FV for $80.00 (savings of
                 $15.00). Requires you shipping the *original* Acos/GBBS disk
                 (no photocopies, duplicates, or reproductions of any kind).
 
Fling number 4: "Switchover" from Proline (prior to 2.0) to Metal/FV for only
                 $70.00 (savings of $25.00).
 
Metal/FV is currently the most powerful BBS language out for the Apple //
series of computers. Where others only gives you limited commands or
force you to work within the limits of AppleSoft (and thus limiting the
size of your programs), Metal/FV throws those limits right out the window!
From the first, Metal and FV was designed to push the envelope of the
Apple //, cramming as much as possible into the 128k Apple // setup!
 
As always, upgrading Metal/FV to newer versions costs you nothing but the
standard phone call rates - simply call the TCQ BBS and download the new
files and that's all!
 
Networking? You bet - FutureNet is a "state of the art" networking software
that allows Email, Message Bases, Files, and Updates to be sent over the
phone lines, automatically - you don't have to even be home to do it!
 
Growth? Unlimited! Metal/FV is a package that is constantly being worked on,
added to, and improved on a daily basis.
 
Metal/FV is the one package that is totally customizable - everything can be
changed to your personal tastes. Unlike other BBS systems, we supply YOU with
the programs that run the BBS, so you can go directly in with a standard text
editor and change the way the system runs and looks, giving your BBS your own
"personal" appearance!
 
For more information on the complete Metal/FV package, call:
    TCQ BBS:  614-294-0556  (300-38400 baud hst)
 
    Wilson Wares                            Frontier Technologies
    PO box 09693                            2128 Scotten
    Columbus, Ohio  43209                   Detroit, MI  48209-1667
From: fsmcs1@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Wanted : MACOS BBS operating system
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:09:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.1992Apr8.010958.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

In article <1992Apr7.191441.13275@umiami.ir.miami.edu>, jdeitch@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
> I'm looking for a copy of the MACOS bbs operating system -- the one that was
> posted along with the PEPSI bbs in comp.binaries.apple2.
> 
> Anybody know where I can obtain a copy, preferably via ftp so I can avoid Ma
> Bell's long distance charges ?

        I used to have TC Wilson's phone number, and I'm almost 100% sure I have
a copy down in Anchorage on my IIe.  I can't give you a copy of mine (simply because
I can't think of a way to get it anywhere you could access it), but I might be able
to find his number when I go down and visit this weekend.  Let me know if you still
need it...

        I used to write online games for ACOS, MACOS, and METAL a couple years back,
so I got to know most of the authors fairly well...  it helps to have friends in high
places...  since half the problems I ran into were bugs in MACOS and METAL (and ACOS!),
although I'm not trying to sully TC's rep...

> 
> thanks,

        No problem.

> Gene Roddenberry, Isaac Asmiov, Jim Henson, Dr Seuss, Mel Blanc ... Sigh ... 

        I know whutcha mean.
From: erichsu@sizzlean.berkeley.edu (Eric 2 Hsu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Rev.C SCSI to Apple 80SC Problems
Date: 7 Apr 1992 22:01:30 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: sizzlean.berkeley.edu
Summary: arrrgh.

I have a genuine Apple 80SC drive and I'm connecting it to a Rev. C Apple
SCSI Board through a Mac-SCSI cable and I am having a terrible time trying to
format it for use. Does anyone recognize these symptoms:

1. When the terminator is put on the drive, the SCSI Utilities, the Davex
   init command and other formatting software do not recognize or find 
   the drive. The SCSI no. was set to 4. The drive light stays on constantly
   and there is basically no response from the drive.

2. When the terminator is left off, ProDOS 1.4, 1.9 and 2.01 hang at the title
   screen. I waited well over five minutes, but it really seems to hang. If I
   turn off the drive while ProDOS boots, it boots okay, but if I turn it 
   back on and run a SCSI Test on it or a HDSC.Partition, they hang as soon as
   they try to read the drive/card.

If these point to an obvious problem, please let me know. I am running with 
a Microbuffer, Datalink 2400, 1 meg Apple memory card, the SCSI Rev. C and
an Ohio Kache Card. I had the same problems as above when I disconnected all
the cards except for the SCSI card and a U.D.C. I also run on a Zip Chip 4 Mhz,
but I had the same problems with the chip turned OFF.

If anyone knows the problem, or if anyone knows a way to format the drive 
(previously used on a Mac), please post or e-mail. I'll be happy to post a
summary if I ever get this damned drive formatted.

p.s. I thought the fact these were all genuine Apple product would prevent this
kind of problem from occurring. I thought wrong.
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