HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: craig@cognet.ucla.edu (Craig Morioka)
Subject: modem setup
Originator: craig@regulus.cognet.ucla.edu
Organization: UCLA Cognitive Science Research Program
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:31:16 GMT

I have a Microcom QX/V.32c modem and I'm trying to set
it up to allow users to call in.  It calls out, but
doesn't allow users to login. It seems to be a setup
problem with the modem.  I borrowed another modem (ZOOM) and
it works perfectly in both directions.  Does anyone have
the switch configurations for the front and back panel
switches for a Microcom QX/V.32c that will allow 
calling in and out for a 4/370 running 4.1.1?

thanks,

	Craig

craig@cognet.ucla.edu 
Xref: sparky alt.sys.sun:3015 comp.sys.sun.misc:3416 comp.sys.sun.admin:5144
From: mike@socrates.umd.edu (Mike Santangelo (UNIX/VMS Sysmgr))
Newsgroups: alt.sys.sun,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Q: sendmail.cf & name resolving in 4.1.2
Summary: Some questions on sendmail.cf and name resolving
Keywords: sendmail.cf,nameresolving
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:41:37 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland University College

Couple of questions... Just installed SunOS 4.1.2 on our of
our Sun IPC's...

1) How do I get utilities like 'telnet' and 'ftp' to look at
   the info I have put in /etc/resolv.conf?  nslookup does,
   but telnet and ftp insist on using /etc/hosts.  We have some
   other Suns running 4.1.1 and who are NOT running 'named' and
   who's telnet and ftp make use of a remote name server automatically.

2) The 'out-of-box' sendmail.cf in /etc seems to need some tweaking.
   Apparently it has some default fields that are generic after install
   that when sending mail to other hosts they don't like.  What are
   the minimally required edits to this file to make things work nicely
   and/or is there a nice sendmail.cf generator (friendly front-end)
   that can re-do one.

Thanks!
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Newsgroups: alt.sys.sun
From: pollard@pops.navo.navy.mil (Jesse Pollard)
Subject: Re: Timbuktu for Sun
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-10876]: wildcat.navo.navy.mil
Reply-To: pollard@pops.navo.navy.mil
Organization: POPS Supercomputer Center
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:44:17 GMT

Based on the discussion there is a conferencing tool that allows controled access to
a tool - xtv. Supports several of the facilities that have been discussed, shared
drawing can be done by using xtv to access tgif, or xfig.

xtv is part of the MIT X window distribution.

Xref: sparky alt.sys.sun:3009 comp.unix.questions:9505
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Monday, 27 Jul 1992 17:20:09 CET
From: Karl Keyte <KKEYTE@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.sys.sun,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Very large 'mmap' (or swap) areas

Does anyone know how to make VERY large areas of disk (therefore
virtual memory) available for 'mmap' or just plain swap space.
I've done some experiments using 'mmap' which started failing at
about 68 MB which I guess is about the size of my local swap space.

We use a third party class library (C++) which allows us to store
classes based on a key.  This works in memory.  What we'd like to
do is provide a means of making the classes persistent somehow
using 'mmap' (if we can work out how to persuade the class library
to organise its memory in that way).

Any information or experience from anyone would be welcomed.

Thanks,

Karl
Newsgroups: alt.sys.sun,comp.unix.wizards,comp.sys.sun.admin
From: djones@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (david.jones)
Subject: IPC 'Jammed' on SUN IPX
Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.admin
Keywords: IPC, jammed, queues
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:23:25 GMT


Has anybody seen a problem like this before ?

We have a number of processes that talk System V
style IPC to one another. They are running on a Sun IPX
under SunOS 4.1.1

Process A fills up its queue talking to B and stops (on write)
Process B fills up its queue talking to C and stops (on write)
C empties its queue from B but A and B still seem to be stuck 
writinging into the IPC queue ?

Its as if the *whole* of the IPC jams ?

Any clues/suggestions etc.

e-mail please as I do not read this group on a regular basis.

- Dave

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Newsgroups: alt.sys.sun,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.sys.sun.misc
From: rhb@hotsand.cnet.att.com (Richard H. Brandwein +1 908 949 2135)
Subject: Re: Timbuktu for Sun
Reply-To: rich.brandwein@att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs - Holmdel, NJ
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:05:38 GMT
Originator: rhb@hotsand


In article <1992Jul24.215425.6373@meiko.com>, mike@meiko.com (Mike Stok) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul24.185911.28442@brtph560.bnr.ca> hawkins@bnr.ca (John Hawkins P730) writes:
|> >I know of a program on the Mac that allows one to share interactive
|> >graphical info over a LAN or modem connection. A given user can "draw"
|> >in a window on another user's screen, pointing and calling up
|> >drawings, text etc while chating on the phone.
|> >
|> >Question: Does anyone know of a sun version? an x-window version? even
|> > a PC version?
|> 
|> I think shdr is an OpenLook (i.e. Sun flavour X) package like this.
|> You can get it from beta.xerox.com in /pub/europarc/shdr.tar.Z

There is a program in the demo library of OW 3.0 called "chalk" which
seems (to me) to serve the same functionality as shdr.  Chalk is an
interactive chalkboard; it works quite well, but it doesn't go nearly
as far as what Timbuktu seems to do.  

Since you can export your display (or portions thereof) to another
user with his permission, it wouldn't seem that hard to create
an integrator package to do something like Timbuktu.  I'm sure that
people working on multimedia applications have betas of this for the
sun...


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Newsgroups: alt.sys.sun,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.sys.sun.misc
From: vls1@cec1.wustl.edu (Victor Leo Sachs)
Subject: Watchdog reset 
Keywords: reset, break, circuit
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:08:29 GMT


	Can anyone suggest how to prevent the system from crashing when its
console is turned off or unplugged? I know a curcuit was developed for Sun 3
which was plugged between the console and the ttya  or ttyb (I am talking about monochrome monitors, nothing fancy) which faked terminal presence  and prevented system crash when console's power was cycled. Anyone know how to do that for Sun4?

Thanx in advance

Victor Sachs

vls1@cec1.wustl.edu
sputnik@dworkin.wustl.edu

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From: gbailey@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil
Newsgroups: alt.sys.sun
Subject: Floating Point capability
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:23:03 EST
Organization: USAF AL/CFH, WPAFB, Dayton, OH

I've got some simulation software that is VERY floating point intensive.  I've
seen a lot of discussion lately on the topic of SUN stations versus 486's in
this area.  I was wondering if anyone had some information on the subject.

Let's try and take a look at:
    486/33
    486/50
    SUN IPC
    SPARC 2
    SPARC 10

Thanks in advance for tolerance on an over-asked question.

Gerry

Newsgroups: alt.sys.sun,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.sys.sun.misc
From: hawkins@bnr.ca (John Hawkins P730)
Subject: Timbuktu for Sun
Summary: Anybody know of it?
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Research Triangle Park,NC
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:59:11 GMT


Hi,

This is the first time I've read this group so bear with me:

I know of a program on the Mac that allows one to share interactive
graphical info over a LAN or modem connection. A given user can "draw"
in a window on another user's screen, pointing and calling up
drawings, text etc while chating on the phone.

I remember it being called Timbuktu and we find this potentially very 
usefull. 

Question: Does anyone know of a sun version? an x-window version? even
 a PC version?

Thanks

john
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Newsgroups: alt.sys.sun
From: mike@socrates.umd.edu (Mike Santangelo (UNIX/VMS Sysmgr))
Subject: Need format info for CDC WREN 8
Summary: (see subject)
Keywords: CDC WREN 8
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:53:13 GMT

Hi there.  We just bought a CDC/Seagate WREN 8 and need the format.dat
info for it.  Also, is there any other disktab like stuff I will need
to format and mount this disk (and use the normal partitions?).  Target
host is a Sun IPC.

Thanks!

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Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
From: curley!dtmod@uunet.uu.net (Dean Modde)
Subject: Internet Addressing via ELM
Organization: Mail news gateway
Distribution: world
Keywords: 
Reply-To: alt-sys-intergraph@ingr.com
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:44:29 CDT

Is anyone out there using Internet mail addressing conventions solely
on their Ingr networks? We are working with our MIS group to allow
them gateway capabilities to and from our outgoing UUCP/UUNET link via
a Prime system with TCP/IP and SMTP.  Until now, we have strictly used
UUCP conventions. Routing mail outside of our domain is critical. I
suppose I'll need to dig into "sendmail", but until now I've been able
to avoid it. Any suggestions or recommendations for reading materials
would be welcomed.

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Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
Subject: lpd/nqs/IP_DAZUTL question
From: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:12:49 CST
Reply-To: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: tp


Nutshell: Does either the lpd daemon or the filter.exec program shipped with the
IP_DAZUTL product insert pagebreaks in a file, and how to stop it?

I'm trying to track a problem, and briefly (I hope) here's what I'm doing. I am
routing a postscript plot file (yes, plot, not print) from a non-Intergraph VMS
system to an Interserve 2000 Interplot server for plotting on a Versatec
plotter. I use the standard VMS print command to a
queue set up as an LPR queue using TGV Multinet TCP/IP software and targetted
towards the Interserve 2000. The queue on the Interserve was setup using the
lpr2nqs command delivered with IP_DAZUTL so that the plot data will be queued to
NQS for plotting. Under NQS,
I've installed a plot wrapper script that has to do some preprocessing on the
file (split it into pages and determine the size of each and feed each page to
the I/Script MFI with the size as arguments to the -e and -E options).

The problem:

In working on the plot wrapper shell script I've discovered that somewhere in
this pipeline, something has inserted page breaks by changing some of the
newlines (I counted 55 in the dump listing, but that's probably not a good
count) to carriage return-formfeed sequences. Notice that's a return, not a
newline (linefeed), so CLIX doesn't see the lines before and after the change as
separate lines, it sees them as one line with a couple of control characters in
the middle. This screws up my preprocessing when it happens to lines I'm
interested in, since I'm running them through sed, csplit, and the like.

So, could lpd do this as it is receiving the file? Could the filter.exec program
that is part of IP_DAZUTL do this as it is moving the file from the lpd queue to
the NQS queue? In either case, how do I stop it.

It might also be VMS or the Multinet software, and I've asked those people about
that possibility.

Thanks.
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Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Subject: Wanted: characteristics of an IP32C display
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 02:58:07 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


Does anyone out there know the specs of the display on a InterPro 32C?
I would like to know things like resolution and refresh rate and other
fun things.

Thanks

alan
From: silverma@nunki.usc.edu (David Silverman)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
Subject: Upgrade
Date: 26 Jul 1992 14:03:04 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nunki.usc.edu


We just finished upgrading the system and the software - everything
went beautifully. Inroads and uStation cleanup faster when quitting
on the 6040, but I don't know if that's from the software upgrade
or the 6.x upgrade.
One surprising thing is the added disk space. We only run uStation and
Inroads and there was not a lot of changes to them this release, but we
started with 85% used disk space and after installation we had 98% used.
We didn't download fonts, examples, databases, or anything else, so it
must be the system upgrade that increased so dramatically. Anyone else 
see this or did we do something wrong?
From: bob@sparkie.nrri.umn.edu (Robert I. Benett)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
Subject: Re: Internet Addressing via ELM
Date: 24 Jul 92 04:03:26 GMT
Organization: U of Minnesota, Natural Resources Research Institute


The Intergraph docs have improved dramatically in the past few years, but even
now when I really want to know how something like mail, NIS, automounter, etc
work I go for my Sun SunOS 4.x System and Network administrators manual.  

Given the mass proliferation of Sun workstations in the past couple years, it 
shouldn't be too hard for anyone to get ahold of Sun docs.


Bob
From: bmu@sbfdk.sbf.dk (Boerge Mueller)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
Subject: Re: Internet Addressing via ELM
Date: 25 Jul 92 19:56:40 GMT
Organization: Great Belt ltd. Denmark

Regarding Intermail addressing scheme on internal nodes:

Our gateway to the Internet world is a IP6000 machine, it works with
UUCP dial-up connection to the rest of the Internet world, it works
pretty good. We have of course constructed our sendmail.cf by our self,
it was a hard job, but it was worth it. 
We have some 1000 nodes in our network (preferly DOS and UNIX nodes)
we have constructed one sendmail.cf which can apply all UNIX machines,
in fact, we used the default sendmail.cf which are included in the
CD-ROM delevery. The delivered sendmail.cf (runned by
/usr/ip32/sendmail/CONFIGURE ) did the job pretty god.

If you would like a copy off our two sendmail.cf's please let me know,
and I'll forward them (with english notes :-)  )

-- 
From:
Boerge Mueller  (Project manager CAD & Technical information systems)
Great Belt Ltd.                    |--------------------------------|
Phone  : +45 3393 5200 x 222       | I don't know what the          |
From: silverma@nunki.usc.edu (David Silverman)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
Subject: .ws files
Date: 24 Jul 1992 19:32:35 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: nunki.usc.edu

I downloaded a file from the Intergraph BBS onto my mac and was wondering
what format the file was in. It had a .ws extension. We use Intergraph 
workstations.
Thanks,
David

Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
From: ken@point.b17d.ingr.com (Ken Poore)
Subject: Re: Clix 6.1 upgrade .. need help, suggestions, tips.
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:53:37 GMT

nik@nik.b23a.ingr.com (Nik Simpson) writes:

>>
>>I read the info on the new licensing under 6.1 and have a few questions,
>>maybe some of you already know the answers.
>>It says on the 6000 and 2000 series machines get only two licenses
>>automatically with the machine and we have to purchase more. Does this mean
>>that only two logins are allowed at any time? If so, why the sudden change?
>>Is it because of x-windows and running more graphics of one machine?
>>When we bought the things we were told we can run 3 alpha-numeric terminals
>>of each machine, are we now going to have to buy full workstations to replace
>>alpha-numeric terminals?
>>Any help or clarification would be appreciated.
>>
>>Dave Silverman
>>
>This licence restriction applies to C400 machines and 2000 machines,
>C300 based 6000 series machines were sold with unlimited licences and
>continue to have unlimited licences.

I have heard that the reason behind this is to reduce the base cost of 
single-user workstations by not passing on the multi-user royalties of UNIX
to our customers.  Many of our customers only have a  single-user per seat, so 
customers can save on the cost of their workstations by not paying for 
a multi-user license.

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Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
From: ken@point.b17d.ingr.com (Ken Poore)
Subject: Re: Clix 6.1 upgrade .. need help, suggestions, tips.
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:56:26 GMT

ken@point.b17d.ingr.com (Ken Poore) writes:


>I have heard that the reason behind this is to reduce the base cost of 
>single-user workstations by not passing on the multi-user royalties of UNIX

Ooops, I meant ...by not passing on the cost of the multi-user royalties...

>to our customers.  Many of our customers only have a  single-user per seat, so 
>customers can save on the cost of their workstations by not paying for 
>a multi-user license.

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>|ken@point.b17d.ingr.com| Senior System Engineer/Demos & Benchmarks
>|..!ingr!b17d!point!ken	| Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, Alabama 
>* All opinions are mine and do not represent Intergraph or its subsidiaries  *
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* All opinions are mine and do not represent Intergraph or its subsidiaries  *
Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
From: tjmisek@hou.amoco.com (Thomas Misek)
Subject: Re: INTERGRAPH'S SIGGRAPH ANNOUNCEMENTS
Summary: Response to Marketing Announcement on  Network
Reply-To: tjmisek@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:35:02 GMT


---
Intergraph Marketing Dept. 

I would like to say the I appreciate receiving this press release.  We do not receive
this type of announcement from the Intergraph sales force.  This is  perhaps because
there is no profit for the salesman to physically distribute everything that Marketing 
releases, especially since the salesman can't know all the customer's interests.

I, for one, would like to receive more of these marketing releases via E-mail, if there
is not opposion to using Internet for commercial purposes.  If there is any difficulty, please
consider sending information of this type directly to the people that make their E-mail
routes know to the Marketing dept.

Thank you.

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Amoco Production Co.   | X.400    ==> mhs!amoco!thomas_j_misek@attmail.com
P.O. Box 3093                   | Phone    ==> (713) 556-3514
Houston, TX 77253         | FAX      ==> (713) 584-7565

Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
From: mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us (Mike Meyer)
Subject: 25-Jul-92 04:18 ResolveDest:DEFAULTS NOT FOUND!
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga Yarn 2.0, 1992/06/25 01:41:36
Keywords: 
Summary: 
Date: 25 Jul 92 04:19:17 PST
Organization: Missionaria Phonibalonica

I tried to use BMS after a disk crash & restore. I'm getting the
above. Am I SOL? Or is there a recovery mechanism that won't fry all
current connections?

	Thanx,
	<mike
From: loydb@fnordbox.UUCP (Loyd Blankenship)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: GRn 1.16e strange brew
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 26 Jul 92 21:40:10 CST
Organization: Texas Net Illuminati

When I execute GRn 1.16e, I get a *long* list of

Fixname error (6) string too big: 6 bytes '@vax.oxford.ac.uk'

The only thing that changes each line is the location ^^^^^

Any hints?

Loyd

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From: mark@mugwump.mil.wi.us (Mark C. Litscher)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: UUCICO 1.16A
Date: 27 Jul 92 08:31:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: mugwump.mark.01h2

Ah, yes. Back again with a question- I just got UUTRAF and not find out that
I need uucico 1.16A by Andrew Kopp (has the xferstats option). The question
of the moment is where is the beast? (I did some looking, but no luck)

Thanks.

Mark

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From: loydb@fnordbox.UUCP (Loyd Blankenship)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: GRn Needs ROT-13
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:53:31 CST
Organization: Texas Net Illuminati

Ugh. There's a cascade in alt.drugs that I can't read because it's been
ROT-13ed! :-) <ducks, avoids fruit lobbed by derisive readers>

Howzabout adding a ROT13 gadget down next to PRINT?

Loyd


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