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From: nave@math.washington.edu (Lee Nave)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Looking for Swans/Jarboe reviews
Date: 10 Jan 1993 22:14:36 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Mathematics, Seattle
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I'm hoping someone out there can give me their impressions of the
last Swans and Jarboe albums to come out.  I'm itching to pick up
a CD or 2 and have my eye on these.  I have Children of God and
Burning World, both of which I thoroughly enjoy.

Email or post is fine.  Thanks.

Lee
nave@math.washington.edu

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: sck8n@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Song Chun Kim)
Subject: Ned's Atomic Dustbin
Originator: sck8n@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:00:00 GMT

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: blckjck@leland.Stanford.EDU (Brett Alexander Cruden)
Subject: Re: Ministry - album title?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 04:00:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.013039.12479@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> echristo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Elena A Christofides) writes:
>
>Ok, what the heck is a certain Ministry title supposed to mean?
>
>The title (in Greek) translates as "head."
>Except that there are two "letters" after the proper word that
>sort of resemble a stylized xsi and theta.
>
>I've heard that the title is supposed to mean "psalm 69."
>This is impossible since the Greek word for psalm is COMPLETELY
>different and could in no way be confused with "head."
>Also, xsi and theta are not the 6th, and 9th letters in the
>alphabet....

Well, I have heard some people say that, loosely translated, it does mean
Psalm, or Book, Chapter 69.  Something to that effect.  I don't remember the
logic by which this was come about, but...

SUpposedly, the title is supposed to be Psalm 69:The Way to succeed and the way
to suck eggs.

I remember seeing an interview with Al where he said that he got the lettering
from some ancient obscure arabic language.  He also said that the only 
important thing people know about the title is the 69.  
(BTW Al refers to Al Jourgensen - lead guy of Ministry, for those of you who
don't know)


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From: snordgr@eng.clemson.edu (scott nordgren)
Subject: Re: Top 10 Pixies Song
Reply-To: snordgr@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:31:44 GMT


1) Gouge Away (Doolittle)
2) Cactus (Surfer Rosa)
3) River Euphrates (Surfer Rosa)
4) Holiday (Come On Pilgrim)
5) # 13 Baby (Doolittle)
6) Bone Machine (Surfer Rosa)
7) Tony's Theme (Surfer Rosa)
8) Trompe Le Monde (Trompe Le Monde)
9) Subbacultha (Tromple Le Monde)
10) Down To the Well (Bossanova)

Honourable Mentions: Bird Dream of Olympus Mons, Anything else on Surfer Rosa, Velouria, Nimrods Son, Isla De Enchanta, Highwire

how does gigantic not appear on your list?
From: sdm91r@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Stuart Maclean)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: POND
Keywords: Discography
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:41:09 GMT

Hi there, does anybody know what POND have released. I have _Young
Splendour_ and the new SubPop single _Wheel_. Is there any more, UK or
US ?

-- 
Stuart Maclean,
Dept of Electronics and Computer Science,
University of Southampton.
From: pmarin@pixmap.seas.upenn.edu (Paul S Marin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Cure Discography - Send It to me!!!!
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:28:43 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


In article 18942 somone posted a Cure discography. My account won't let me go ]
back further than article 18990. So I would really appreciate if whoever
posted it could send it to:


			pmarin@eniac.seas.upenn.edu


thanks a lot. it is greatly appreciated!!!!!!!
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Subject: Read This!
From: cvafy006@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:13:37 PST
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: cvafy006

What I am going to post here is information that can be used on all types of
music...not just alternative.

[If this is outdated information, please don't flame me].

While holiday shopping, I stopped into "The Wherehouse" to buy some cassettes. 
Inside, there were two machines known as "I-stations".  These I-stations
allowed you to preview select portions of select tracks of the album you have
selected to preview (to insure that you really want the album).  

The way it works is simple.  Take your I-card (which you can get free, on the
spot, at the record store) and slide the card, barcode up, under the laser
scan.  Then take your album that has an "I" sticker on it, and slide the
album's barcode under the laser.  (The album has to have an I label to be
previewed).

Now the album's menu comes up, and you can touch one of the five song titles on
the screen.  A portion of the song comes on so that you can hear what it's
like.  

After previewing the album, you can then rate it by touching one of the five
hands on the screen.  The thumbs up is excellent, and the thumbs down is poor. 
They also have good, fair, and something else.

(This device appeared in Plaza Camino Real, Carlsbad, California (in San Diego
County)).

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From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Subject: Re: new order / depeche mode tour?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:26:25 GMT

In article <watpod83.726346725@cunews> watpod83@alfred.carleton.ca (Robert Telka) writes:
>In <Jan.6.12.07.02.1993.7128@pilot.njin.net> gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes:
>
>>i heard rumours that these two groups would be touring this summer.
>>together, that is.
>
>>is this true?  can anyone give any information?
>
>According to the Ceremony mailing list, this information is no longer
>a rumour -- it is true.  However, spokesmen (or is it spokespeople?)
>for both bands would not actually confirm (or deny) when asked.
>

Isn't that the definition of a rumor?



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From: woycke@smiley.mitre.org (Daniel Woycke)
Subject: Re: The return of "X"
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:21:21 GMT

In article <29591@optima.cs.arizona.edu> soo@cs.arizona.edu (Michael Soo) writes:
>In article <1it61o$rgh@agate.berkeley.edu> sherw@ocf.berkeley.edu (Gregory Sherwin) writes:
>>
>>I really liked _See How We Are_ btw, and would rank it as one of their best
>>along with _Wild Gift_, but then that is MHO.  _Live at the Whisky-a-Go-Go_
>>came out in '88 though in case anyone really cares (yeah, right).
>>
>>greg
>
>Ok, time to date myself.  I was in high school in 1979 when a friend
>and I went up to the Whisky in Hollywood.  We were going to see a
>a rockabilly band called "Levi and the Rockats"---faves of the LA Times 
>rock critics back then.  They turned out to be pretty lame.  But the 
>opening band was X, who we had not heard of, and they were stunning.  
>There were maybe 20 people in the place, all of them pogoing madly.  
>Exene prowled around the stage like a cat, and Billy Zoom stood there 
>with his feet wide apart, a big grin on his face, and just jammed the 
>most amazing riffs.  Intense, exciting, and literate.  A great show, 
>probably the best I've ever seen.
>
>Mike

Another addition to this thread...
Billy Zoom left the band after _Ain't Love Grand_ (I think). He was
replaced breifly by the guitarist from The Blasters Phil (or Dave, I
can't remember) Alvin.  He wrote the song "Fourth Of July" (he does a
great version on a solo album). After the Farm Aid show that X played
Alvin was replaced by former Love Tractor guitarist John Gillikson
(sp?). Gillikson and Exene are now married.  John Doe and Exene got a
divorce just before _Ain't Love Grand_.  The solo albums by both Doe
and Exene are not bad.  I think _Wild Gift_ and the song "See How We
Are" are the best things they ever did. Which album was "Your phones
of the Hook But You're not" on? There may be mistakes in this, but I
did it all from an aging memory.

Thank You,

Daniel W. Woycke             |"I went out drinking with Thomas 
Information Engineer (c) 1992|Paine..." -- Billy Bragg
The MITRE Corporation	     |"But I am still thirsty..."
7525 Colshire Drive (MS Z213)|-- Arrested Development
McLean, VA   22102           |These opinions are mine and are not
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From: fisel@eskimo.com (Aron Roberts)
Subject: Re: Any word on this Seattle grunge band?
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:35:02 GMT

excuse me but um... are you for real? Citizen Dick is >FICTION<, I think
that you've been watching too many movies. Maybe now I'm glad that I
missed Singles. Anyway maybe your post was complete sarcasm, and for
your sake I hope it was.

fisel@eskimo.com
Xref: sparky alt.music.alternative:19158 rec.music.misc:30073
From: skmurphy@ernie.Princeton.EDU (Sean Keric Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: WDRE Top 300 Request
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:54:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1993Jan5.185454.14209@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> cliff@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Cliff Chen) writes:
>	Now that Philadelphia has access to a GOOD radio station, WDRE, I
>was wondering if anyone has obtained the list of their Top 300 songs which
>they played on New Year's Eve thru New Year's Day.
>	And if they would be willing to type it up and post it.
>
>				Cliff Chen
>				cliff@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu

Huh?  Good radio station?  Yeah, they're taking real chances on the
radio.  They play new, innovative music.  They have cool, interesting 
DJs.  They refuse to cater to the corporate ogre.  Oh yeah, I -love-
WDRE.  

All sarcasm aside, the one good thing I can say about 'DRE is that they
might drive more people toward WPRB, convienently located at 103.3 FM 
('DRE is 103.9).  Yeah, I'm not exactly an unbiased or impartial
observer, but 'DRE is crap.  BTW, isn't it illegal for the same call
letters to be used in two different cities?  

Flame away...I like the heat. :)

Sean Murphy
skmurphy@phoenix.princeton.edu

Now I've got a brand new life,
Trouble fashioned out of strife...
			- Young Marble Giants
From: mosk@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM (Mr. Blur)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: The Blow Up ( Was: Re: Television -- t
Date: 11 Jan 1993 21:34:47 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mosk@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: thechurch.ebay.sun.com


In article 726762892@uta.fi, trtotu@uta.fi (Tommi Turkia) writes:
>In <1993Jan11.135913.12594@eua.ericsson.se> euaaen@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall) writes:
>
>>How is the sound quality on the CD? The cassette is pretty poor in this
>>regard.
>

The cd version is a little bit better than the cassette, although it has not
been drastically improved (at least not to my ears). It still sounds like a
good quality bootleg. 

>Don't know about that but the LP version (issued by some
>odd French label) has rather varied sound quality.
>
>I suppose the CD can't be much better since it's a
>some kind of best of compilation from various bootlegs.  
>At least that's what I've read.

Actually, it is compiled by Tom Verlaine himself from various tapes. It is
NOT a bootleg or from bootleg tapes.   

If you're interested in good bootlegs by Television, check out Live In Oregon '78.
It has a whole lp side full of unreleased material. I believe it is also
available on cd these days....

-m
From: v22964qs@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Mike Cluff)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Seat Bee Sate
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:48:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec26.175436.28709@panix.com>, fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller) writes...
>Can anyone tell me what Seat Bee Sate is?
> 
>An educated guess tells me that it has something to do with Contra Costa
>County. 

I thought it was simply a nonsense phrase to get a rhyme with "78".  If you
find out otherwise, let me know, because I wear the "Seat Bee Sate" button
pretty frequently...

A munal condoption,

Mike

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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Poppies
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 19:33:44 GMT
Organization: Usenet Power Elite: Crush-The-Innocent-Newbies Strike Team

itch@cbnews.cb.att.com (richard.m.brack) writes:

> Oh, I didn't know "Everything That Rises" was a cover.  I really like 
> this song.  It also appears on the _There Is No Love Between Us Anymore_  
> CD single in case anyone cares.

It does?  It's not on mine . . .

   CD5:	1991 UK (Chapter 22 CHAP CD60)
	  3:39	There Is No Love Between Us Anymore
	  2:48	Picnic In The Sky
	  4:09	...On The Razor's Edge...
	  1:48	Kiss That Girl
	  3:08	Bubbles
	  3:31	Oh Grebo, I Think I Love You (new version)
	  1:36	Ugly
	  2:48	Love Missile F1-11

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Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
From: chrisb@lynx.ps.uci.edu (Chris Barrus)
Subject: Re: The return of "X"
In-reply-to: ralph@cbnewsj.cb.att.com's message of Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:40:43 GMT
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Organization: Dept. of Physics, Univ. of California, Irvine
	<C0pL9F.76J@acsu.buffalo.edu>
	<1993Jan12.164043.25481@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:44:07 GMT


No one here has yet mentioned the album _See How We Are_ which came out after
_Ain't Love Grand_ and is (IMHO) just as good as their earlier works.

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From: sliddell@gssec.bt.co.uk (Scott Liddell)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: HELP with REM lyrics
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:21:21 GMT
Organization: BT


 In the song ' The Sidewinder Sleeps Tonite' from Automatic For the People
 by REM what are the words of the first line of the chorus ?

 Yours,

 Baffled, Scotland

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Scott Liddell                           " Please don't spoil my day,
West TEC                                  I'm miles away,
24 Highburgh Road                         And after all...
sliddell@gssec.bt.co.uk                   ...I'm only sleeping "

------------------------------------------------------------------------
               
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From: csg068@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Decker)
Subject: Re: need a title and group
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:39:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.151648.4401@ultb.isc.rit.edu> smb3565@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>Ok...
>Finally figured out how to post without the message getting all screwed up...
>
>"She loves me, she loves me not"
>
>That just repeated a few times for the chorus...
>
>Sound familiar to anyone...anyone...
>

It's "Wise Up Sucker" by Pop Will Eat Itself (on "...This Is This").
Incidentally, the guy doing the "Wise up sucker see the signs, taking
your ass for a ride, wise up, wise up, wiiiiiiiiise uuuuuuuuup!" bits
is none other than our beloved (?!) Miles Hunt of The Wonder Stuff.

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From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Subject: Re: Any news on this Seattle Grunge Band?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:30:19 GMT

In article <cubsfan.726358820@camelot> cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman) writes:
>Does anybody know when the new Citizen Dick album is going
>to be released.  Citizen Dick just *is* the ultimate in 
>grunge! Nothin' gets me moving like 'Stomach of Chaos' or
>the awesome guitars in 'Touch Me, I'm Dick'
>

Sounds like a sweet parody of Mudhoney's first (and only good IMHO)
big single "Touch Me I'm Sick".  Cool.  

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From: msilverm@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Silverman)
Subject: Any word on this Seattle grunge band?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 04:38:13 GMT

Does anybody have any idea when the new Citizen Dick album
is schedualed to come out?
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From: sepstei1@cc.swarthmore.edu (stephen epstein)
Subject: Re: songs with the title "rain"
Organization: swarthmore college
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:27:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.222641.5201@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov>,
jsy@Aig.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Jennifer Yu) writes:
> 
> "Happy When it Rains"  - Jesus and Mary Chain
> 
> 
> Jen
> 
Well, since I started this thread, I might as well put it to rest.  My
initial interest was songs with the title "RAin" itself, since there seems
to be more songs with that title than anything else I've ever come across. 
I listed five and got four more:

The Beatles-"Rain"
The Jazz Butcher-"Rain"
The Chills-"Rain"
Tones on Tail-"Rain"
Dragon-"Rain"

The Cult - "Rain"
Martin Stephenson and the Daintees - "Rain"
Skinny Puppy- "Rain"
The Waterwalk- "Rain"

Not one of these is a cover of another, as far as I'm aware.  If people
want to list songs that merely have the word "rain" in them, this could
potentially go on forever.  Others that people haven't mentioned, for
example:

Rainstorm- The Raincoats
Freight Train Rain- Zeitgeist
The Wind and the Rain- Meat Puppets
I Like Rain- Jean Paul Sartre Experience
Buckets of Rain- Bob Dylan
Trains, Brains and Rain- Flaming Lips...

Etc.

Stephen
From: ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (kristoff)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: HELP WITH REM LYRICS
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:41:00 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <1993Jan11.175326.18067@hubcap.clemson.edu> rpointe@hubcap.clemson.e
du (Robey Pointer) writes:
>
>I've had to explain this to so many people by now, that it really doesn't
>bother me to explain it again.
>"Call me until I wake up."
>Listen to it until you're sure, otherwise you won't believe me.  But that's it
>He just stretches it out.  No other phrase people throw in here even makes
>sense!

Well, "Don't even try to wake her up" makes sense to me (esp. considering the 
"I can always sleep standing up" line, which your interpretation makes 
nonsense) but I prefer the following:
    - "Come back to Jamaica, man"
    - "Go out and try to rake the lawn"
    - "J. Edgar Hoover is really Bill Cosby"
    - It's not really anything, Mike's just practicing his Irish brogue
or my personal favorite
    - "haven't you learned it's pointless to try to figure my lyrics out yet."

kristoff the ha ha ha mad
From: soo@cs.arizona.edu (Michael Soo)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: The return of "X"
Date: 12 Jan 93 04:05:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1it61o$rgh@agate.berkeley.edu> sherw@ocf.berkeley.edu (Gregory Sherwin) writes:
>
>I really liked _See How We Are_ btw, and would rank it as one of their best
>along with _Wild Gift_, but then that is MHO.  _Live at the Whisky-a-Go-Go_
>came out in '88 though in case anyone really cares (yeah, right).
>
>greg

Ok, time to date myself.  I was in high school in 1979 when a friend
and I went up to the Whisky in Hollywood.  We were going to see a
a rockabilly band called "Levi and the Rockats"---faves of the LA Times 
rock critics back then.  They turned out to be pretty lame.  But the 
opening band was X, who we had not heard of, and they were stunning.  
There were maybe 20 people in the place, all of them pogoing madly.  
Exene prowled around the stage like a cat, and Billy Zoom stood there 
with his feet wide apart, a big grin on his face, and just jammed the 
most amazing riffs.  Intense, exciting, and literate.  A great show, 
probably the best I've ever seen.

Mike
From: jcastle@missing.kludge.com (Jeff Castle)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Poppies
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 12:20:50 PST
Organization: The Missing Link BBS, Santa Maria, CA  805-925-1129

lancer@joseph.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett) writes:

> 
> "Everything That Rises Must Converge" was written by Shriekback.  The
> original can be found on their album, Oil and Gold [Island CD 7
> 90276-2, 1985].  It's a great song either way (and Shriekback does it
> FAR differently!) but I think the Poppies take the day here, too...

This reminds me of something, does anyone out there know if the song 
"Faded Flowers" (again off of Oil & Gold) by Shriekback appeared in any 
feature films?  I'm aware that a few oShriekbacks songs appeared in the 
film, Manhunter., but I'm fairly convinced that I have heard Faded 
Flowers in another film.  Anyway, if anyone can help, thanks in advance 
=)

JCastle

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From: schnitzi@cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius)
Subject: Re: borelando...
Organization: University of Central Florida
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:10:11 GMT

caroliner@maple.circa.ufl.edu writes:


>    from the atlasy desk of caroliner rainbow:

>first of all, stay away from daytona, it blows (unless, of course, the beach
>puts a smile on your face, then you're a mindless choad)...
>and then there's orlando, home of squeaky little 'fashion before function'
>skateboarders, flocks of worthless rehashed punk/ death rock movements, and
>pigmy racist gangs, malls, barely adequate record stores, and crowded clubs
>that once used to be good but now suck knob...but, if you do go to orlando,
>you might want to visit these record stores: wax tree, alobar, reflex, rock
>and roll heaven, and park ave. cds, and these dopey nightclubs: visage, the
>edge, barbarella, and go downtown on saturday nights and laugh at all the
>dumb, mohawked, darby crash ass wanna be punks...but i'm warning you, orlando
>isn't all that great, unless you're into vicious rumors and boring, obsolete
>trends...

>everyone knows, gainesville is the best town in florida, that's why all of my
>orlando friends are moving up here w/ me...

Sadly, caroliner is largely accurate in her assessment of Orlando, but I
would certainly question his/her opinion of Gainesville as any kind of
marked improvement.  True also, the advisory to avoid Daytona Beach, or
any other beach city for that matter.

The best city in Florida is probably Atlanta, Georgia.

mark