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From: joe@montebello.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Joe Dellinger)
Subject: Re: Times Arrow II   ** SPOILER **
Reply-To: joe@montebello.soest.hawaii.edu
Organization: School of Ocean and Earth Science Technology
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 13:16:06 GMT

There are TA2 spoilers ahead




Really









In article <1992Sep25.141247.6574@ra.msstate.edu>, paul@pj.tmc.edu (Thorongil) writes:
|> I wouldn't call it wallpapered.  I would call it better writing and 
|> consistency than TNG currently has.

	OK, how about this. There is an even BETTER reason why Data didn't
reboot his 500-year-old head: Nobody got around to trying it!

	Have you ever read the book "Thrice upon a time"? In the book
this fellow invents a machine that can send messages back to itself in
time. Soon after turning it on, he gets all sorts of random messages
from the future. LOTS of them. But somehow... he just never gets around
to actually sending any messages to the past himself. It finally comes out
that when you send a message into your past you destroy your present;
the only "stable" reality is one in which no additional messages get sent.
(In this model the messages from the future stick around even after the
future they came from is destroyed!)

	So we can imagine a reality in which Data does the obvious, reboots
his head, the head says something it shouldn't to its past self like "watch
out for that time door opening in the middle of your neck!" and immediately
his reality gets changed by the paradox. This goes in a tight loop until
after a few zillion iterations for whatever random reasons nobody on board
ever gets around to trying to reboot the head. Then it's stable.

	So you see, the writers were REALLY GOOD, and expected us to
figure this out because they _DIDN'T_ make any comments about rebooting
his head, and it was so OBVIOUS that they SHOULD have. The writers must
be real disappointed in us.

	Damn dose Trek writers real subtle, yah?     :-)    :-)    :-)

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From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
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Subject: Re: Explanation of Inner Light
Date: 28 Sep 1992 12:49:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
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  All I can tell you is that a friend's daughter, who is less than 2 years
of age (and already a severe Trekhead) sees Patrick Stewart on TV at *any*
time and says "Kamen, Kamen!"  What better critic could one have?

  Jeff

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From: annie@fatboy.manassas.ibm.com (Brenda Molina)
Subject: Re: ST:TNG movie ???
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 17:09:29 GMT
Organization: IBM, Federal Systems Company

In article <1992Oct6.144042.7025@ioe.ac.uk>, teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN DAVENPORT) writes:
|> >     Riker, if promoted, would choose Worf as his first officer.  Remember
|> >that he did so, with apologies to Data, when he captained a ship in
|> >a wargames exercise with the Enterprise.
|> 
|> Didn't Picard say something like `You can have anyone except Data, who will
|> be my Number One' ?
|> 

In the war games episode, Picard kept Data.  In one of the episodes
where Picard is gone (BOBW??), Riker apologised to Data and had
Worf as first officer.

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From: morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu
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Subject: Shabang's rating of Terror of Realm, or whatever it was called...
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:27:30 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

And after a nice weekend of homecoming activities, time for the next 
episode of ST:TNG - the one with Brocolli, uh, Barcley, Reg, Whatever.

Well, the Shabang-o-meter was rather wiped out, but in spite of its poor 
condition it was able to evaluate this one and we get a 4.  Dulls-ville 
boys and girls, about the only thing was the images of the stars - which I 
am going to show my class tomorrow.

NEXT WEEK: How the hell do I know, the local station pre-empts the 
previews.

Siobahn (Shabang) Morgan
morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu

The local station also sucks because it carries ABC college football, and 
if 6:00 rolls around and the game ain't over, you sure as heck can expect 
to hear those dreaded words - "We now join ST:TNG already in progress"  Gee 
thanks guys.
From: mark.lindsay@the-matrix.com (Mark Lindsay) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review:  "Realm of Fear"
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:53:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: mark.lindsay@the-matrix.com (Mark Lindsay) 


mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Gertz) says:

|In article <1992Oct5.163754.1363@ncsu.edu> rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu writes:
|>
|>Forgive me for my ignorance, but, who is Timothy Lynch?

|We made him up.  Various folk on the net contribute to the "Timothy Lynch"
|persona (surely you didn't think that one person *alone* could generate all
|those posts and synopses?  And the idea of having a cat named Pandora?
|C'mon...).

Okay, I admit it, I write the Act II synopsis each week. :-)

 * SLMR 2.1a * I doubt any God who inflicts pain for his own pleasure.
                                                                                                                             
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From: 901003l@ace.acadiau.ca (MISHA LEBLANC)
Subject: new Episodes
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:45:16 GMT

Can anyone give me a list of this seasons (6th) new episodes with there 
release dates.
From: odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank
Date: 4 Oct 92 22:40:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Stuffed Animal Trauma Team  (We're Trained Professionals)


  I'd double check this myself if a friend of mine didn't have my tapes, but
  in the episode "Family," doesn't Worf's 'Father' refer to Chief O'Brien as
  a non-com?  That would certainly keep O'Brien from being a Lieutenant, no
  matter what his pips said, if it's true.

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From: gunthar@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
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Subject: Re: Transporter Psychosis
Date: 5 Oct 92 09:35:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: vax1.1992Oct5.153543.2226
Organization: Mankato State University

In article <1992Oct2.153915.2657@netcom.com>, linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Ro
brert Linley) writes:
> Spoiler alert!
> 
> 
> The thing that got my attention in this episode was O'Brien's comment about
> transporter psychosis (TP) ; that it hadn't occured in the last 50 years since
> the pattern buffer (? don't hold me to this) was perfected.

When I first heard the term 'transporter psychosis', I thought they were going
to make some reference to TOS when Kirk gets his good and evil sides seperated.

"Captain Picard, we've examined the plasma stream and found this strange yellow
ore." :)

G.
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From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Subject: Re: time-travel backwards possible? perhaps
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:19:39 GMT

In article <g92n3258.22.717595816@giraffe.ru.ac.za>, g92n3258@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR RL NICOL) writes:
|> 
|> It was stated on the network (sorry, can't remember who) that time-travel 
|> backwards is not possible, because if you went backwards and, say, killed 
|> yourself as a baby, you end up with a paradox.
|> 
|> This is not the case in the time-tree theory...


[time tree example deleted]

   Yeah. That theory works quite nicely. It's probably the best 
explanation I've heard to avoid paradoxes. And since time travel
stories are all fictional anyway, any solution we can think up
should be just as acceptable as the time travel itself. I find
the idea of there being any number of time lines coexisting
independently a lot harder to accept as possible than the act of
time travel though. You really can't use this idea to refute the
statement that time travel is impossible since it's just a nice
piece of hand-waving. As far as we know in cosmology and quantum
physics - time travel (meaning backwards) is not possible. Will
this still be true in 400 years? I personally think so, but only
God knows.

-- Tim
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Subject: Re: The Pocket Watch (T.A. Part One)
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 14:12:38 PDT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

plutnj@aix.rpi.edu (James Matthew Plutnicki) writes:

> In article <1686811C96.IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU> IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (
> >>
> >>The initials are S.L.M. - that's Mark Twain.  Obvoiusly his watch.
> > 
> >Hmmmmm. Then if this is true, how come
> > 
> >Mark Twain      and/or      Samuel Clemens
> >-    -                      -      -
> > 
> >don't produce the initials S.L.M. ?
> > 
> Samuel Longhorn Clemens.  S.L.M.  Time to retake American Lit 101...:)
> 

Well actually Samuel Langhorne Clemens. 
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From: kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori)
Subject: Re: Times Arrow II (SPOILERS)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 00:48:55 GMT

In article <ivy.717640039@camelot> ivy@camelot.bradley.edu (Ivelisse Atiles) writes:
>
>I *liked* the episode, though.  It was done with charming
>naivete... like a children's story.

I'd do it, but that's *way* too easy a shot :-)

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  "This season began with a turkey. I'm simply trying to see 
   that it doesn't end that way." -- fictitious Paramount writer
From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TNG Grade Report: "Time's Arrow II"
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:34:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep29.153446.12610
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Sep28.180618.5863@gtephx.UUCP> bakerj@gtephx.UUCP (Jon Baker) writes:
>In article <w2gsRB6w165w@bluemoon.rn.com>, tunal@bluemoon.rn.com (Atul Varma) writes:
>> And how did Picard,Crusher,Riker and the 
>> others that came after Data suddenly get clothed in nineteenth century
>> garb in the first place?!
>Actually, I was pleasantly relieved that they spared us the mundane
>details.  We went through this 'find the clothes and explain the anomalies'
>bit with City On The Edge Of Forever - it was somewhat original, humorous,
>and entertaining.  Unless the writers could come up with something new
>for TAII, then don't bother. 

	True.  But in that case, they should have canned the whole landlady
sequences. TIred, cliche and obviously padding...

-- 
Roger Tang gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu
Executive Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW;
	The definition of having balls is a non-singer who goes karaoke singing 
with the cast of a musical revue.
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From: nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn)
Subject: Re: PICARD/RIKER in White House?
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:30:43 GMT

In article <23469@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> msheldon@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Marti Sheldon) writes:
>Re: "Picard/Riker 92" - no good. Jean Luc was not born in the
>United States.  Riker/Picard would work, though.

God forbid!  I think I'd rather see Quayle/Bush!!

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From: m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White)
Subject: Cpt. Ross Perot (was  Re: PICARD/RIKER in White House?)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:32:40 GMT

> I would like to nominate the ticket of PICARD/RIKER in 92.

Which leads us naturally to: Cpt. Ross Perot, Starfleet Command!

Warf: "Captain Perot, the Borg are attacking!."

Perot: "No problem; make them an offer on their ship.  I'll go
25 million credits, but not a credit higher."

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* These are my opinions only.*
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From: andy@eies2.njit.edu (Andy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: My Opinion of REALM OF FEAR
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:59:59 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: NJIT - EIES2

Well Folks....

I can only say one thing about "Realm of Fear"

Lame, Lame, Lame!

I am an avid Trekker (really, conventions and all), but if Time's
Arrow I & II and Realm of Fear are going to be any examples of
what these least seasons are going to hold, I say let TNG die
and we'll enjoy the re-runs for years to come.

If the only scripts they can come up with are this bad, I'd rather
live with the fond memories!  And that Barclay character is played
very poorly, IMHO.

Well, that's my .02 cents.  Please don't flame me, this is just my
OPINION.
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From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Political Cartoon
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:51:25 GMT

In article <1aieafINNmi1@agate.berkeley.edu>, jeffski@biocon () writes:
> 
> Sorry I don't have (or have knowledge of) gif file capability, because
> there's a great political cartoon in yesterday's (i.e. 1 October) 
> San Francisco Examiner. So, I'll describe it...
> 
> The scene is the bridge of the Enterprise. It's sort of an amalgam of
> the two series; the viewscreen wraps around like on TNG, but the helm
> console is one piece instead of two.
> 
> On the screen is a Ferengi-ed Perot (believe me, it doesn't take much 
> to make him look like a Ferengi, and his personality doesn't seem too
> different in retrospect either), saying "I made a mistake. Won't you let
> me try again?"
> 
> ________
> Jeffski.
> ________

Jeff(ski)

I tried e-mailing you but it bounced.  You didn't put your full address in
your header.  Anyway, I'd love to have a copy of this cartoon.  Do you have
access to a fax machine, or can I send you an SASE + $.10 for copying costs
to get one?

Thanks!

Kellie Matthews-Simmons
internet::matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
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Subject: Re: Will we have to pay to see Star Trek?
Date: 26 Sep 92 03:04:35 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <90272@netnews.upenn.edu> chaim@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Chaim R. Dworkin) writes:
<Will we all have to pay to watch Star Trek in the future???
<
<"....The biggest names left on Koplovitz's shopping list are the
<original Star Trek series and its sequel, Star Trek: The Next
<Generation.  She hopes to get the original Trek in about three
<years and pick up Next Generation about two years after that.  If
<that happens, the two Trek series would vanish from all the
<broadcast stations where they air now and the Sci-Fi Channel would
<be the only place you'd be able to see Trek's Capt. James T. Kirk
<and Generation's Capt. Jean-Luc Picard." 

There are technologies that exist currently, and they are called video tape
and laserdisc.  I'm sure that you have heard of them.  With this neat batch
of technological goodies, you can watch any of these program whenever you
want.  Not only that, you can watch them without commercials and annoying
station logos.

I suggest that you look into the above mentioned technology and lay off
bitching about what the Sci-Fi Channel manages to purchase.





Oh ...  :-)
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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Re: Enough Already!
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 09:21:11 GMT

kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:

 >you might also learn basic netiquette rules posted in news.announce.newusers
 >which advises, among other things, to read a group for at least two weeks
 >before posting: that way, you don't commit blunders like this.

hmmm...  Such as "grading" episodes that haven't even AIRED yet?  :->

FYI, "Realm" gets pretty high marks from me.  Based on the promos I thought 
it would be lousy, but it wasn't!  There is even a bit of a "surprise" at
the end.  Who woulda guessed...<heh>

-{ DA }-

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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: TA II, SCI FI CHANNEL
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 09:44:37 GMT

In article <mumble> honeydew@infopls.chi.il.us (David Cohen) writes:

>In regards to Deep Space Nine, the OFC magazine says the starbase was 
>built by the Cardassians!  It's not even Federation science.  And the 
>Bajorans play a major ro.  Boring boring boring./s
                       ^^

Is that a play on words or just a typo?

Why does Cardassians/Bajorans = boring?  I'm hoping it'll put a little
more tension into the series than we currently have with TNG where
everyone gets along so well with each other.

-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)                               /|
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From: johnsos@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (johnson scott andrew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Klingon home world's name revealed!
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:20:37 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.

In article <BvG5sz.KtB@wilber.rich.nt.com> zing@wilber.rich.nt.com (Leon Z. Lee) writes:
>In article <92274.205406IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Nicholas C. Hester) writes:
>[.....]
>>
>>In "The Trouble with Tribbles" the second in command stated that the
>>rest of the galaxy was learning Klingonese.  Since the Vulcan language
>>is called, interestingly enough, Vulcan, I think this strengthens my
>>position that Klingon is the homeworld.

BUTTTTTTTT........   TTWT took place BEFORE STVI, so we know that THEN, the name
of the homeworld was Kronos.

Course, Kronos could have been the homeworld for the "bumpy headed" Klingons of
recent vintage, and Klingon the homeworld for the smooth-headed Klingons of TOS
(including the one which tried to pass himself as a human in TTWT)

Or, Kronos/Klingon/Kling/Klinzhai could be different names of the planet for 
different Klingon languages/dialects....

Or, it could be just another Paramount inconsistency...


In honor of MASH, I propose we name the planet "Klinger"....


/sj/
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From: aberigan@nde.unl.edu (A. Berigan)
Subject: Re: Computer on Enterprise
Organization: Ord High School, Ord, NE
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 17:49:28 GMT

brewer@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (James P. Brewer) writes:
>@ (RC Carman) writes:

>>   No.  The Enterprise computer is highly useful, but it's not "Big Brother".
>>The computer does not "keep track of" people, or monitor their movements.
>>But the computer can locate a person upon request by tracing the signal
>>from their communicator.

>Apparently, the computer can also do things like monitor life signs.
>[...] Dr. Crusher has the computer 
>track the Captain's vital signs with a continuous audible run down of pulse,
>brain activity, temperature, and what have you.

That doesn't prove that the computer always keeps track of that when not
requested.  Indeed, to monitor all 1000+ people on the ship would take a
large amount of calculation.  Likely it checks only when requested, or
when something happens to the ship.  A phaser hit, and the ship makes a
quick assessment of damage to ship and crew, and gives that snapshot
readout to Worf.

>James

BTW, you can defeat line-counting newsreaders by just changing your
inclusion marker to something other than ">".

-- 
aberigan@nde.unl.edu (Greg Berigan)
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