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From: cs125b55@dcl-nxt35.cso.uiuc.edu (cs125 student)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: song id's of 4 songs that have samples?
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:28:02 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In article <Oct.7.16.15.33.1992.23303@pilot.njin.net>  
gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky) writes:
> 
> hi....there's 4 songs that i'm looking to identify, all
>  techno songs.  they have samples as follows:
>  1) beatles help
>  2) beatles revolution.
>  3) peter gabriel's "games without frontiers"
>  4) the loony tunes theme.
 
I'm not sure if I'm right, but let me guess.
"Basketcase" by Eon has that "Loony Tunes" theme.
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: New York Raves/clubs requested
From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:26:00 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1992Oct8.062957.17320@Princeton.EDU>, ramirez.Princeton.EDU!penrose (Christopher Penrose) writes:
> 
> Sundays at the Chase Bar (lower east side) is worth checking out.
> I didn't feel the discrimination if there was any.  Minimal attitude,
> hilarious stage dancers - drag and real.  Limelight on Tuesday is  
> techno/industrial, but I guess you have to be screened by a panel to get in.  
> Worthless.

Since when? I can't think of a time people weren't let into Communion. I mean
on a Tuesday night, most of the people are college kids and Westchester brats
and it gets might empty after 2.30 AM or so. There's no selectivity though.
From: cspot@cats.ucsc.edu (Christopher Edward Hilker)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Reccomend some Tangerine Dream for Techno fan, please
Date: 8 Oct 92 06:06:14 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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In article <1992Oct8.040640.4533@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mike J. Brown) writes:
>I recommend --> _Poland_ (1984 double live album)
>                _Risky Business_ (1983 soundtrack, import only now)
>                _Exit_ (1981)

To these I'd add 'Force Majeure,' which really must be heard to be
believed. Their early-'80's live albums are all quite good. For a
sampling of various TD works, try to find 'Dream Sequence', an import
double-CD (on Virgin: TDCD1) with lots of stuff from their "good"
period. It's hard to find, though: Tower (for instance) is no longer
able to order it (or so one of their phone reps told me).

C.

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Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: laural@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.l.la gassa)
Subject: Re: New York Raves/clubs requested
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:40:36 GMT

In article <Oct.8.23.41.33.1992.4133@pilot.njin.net> gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky) writes:
>you can support discrimination all you want, because you're a doorman,
> who "knows" how to get the women in.  well, if people boycott places
> like the limelight, this type of discrimination won't happen.

Unfortunately Bob, you're being a bit Utopian here.  The whole entire New
York Club Scene is based on discrimination and exclusivity.  It's been that
way AT LEAST since Studio 54 was going at it 'way back in the 70's.  There
are SO MANY people in the area that it would take an effort akin to marching
on the Capitol to get people to boycott any of the NYC clubs.

I see the rave scene as being a BIG threat to the Manhatten club thing because 
of the ravey notion of letting in anyone anywhere anytime.  A rave in NYC can
pack in 5,000 people.  At $15/head that's a LOT of people.  No wonder the
club cartel felt threatened and (as I heard the story) called the Social
Club Police when Storm tried to have a rave in Manhatten last July.

Also, no wonder why clubs are picking up on the rave thing and promoting 
their own techno nights . . . .

I've clubbed in Chicago, Boston, Atlanta, New York, Dallas, and Austin.  No
where have I seen as much "velvet roping" as in Manhatten.  Even though I am
let in it still leaves me feeling a bit odd . . . which is why I enjoy raving
so much, the atmosphere is that much freer, happier, and nicer since you
weren't made to feel "selected" before you walked in.

Laura
From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B))
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: need help, pt.2
Date: 13 Oct 1992 04:17:18 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

One more thing I forgot to ask for... part of the FAQ will deal with 
where to find/hear techno music, so it'd be great if you all could 
mail me with a list of stores in your area that carry techno music.
Not just stores that receive major-label techno artists like LFO, but
ones that get import 12"'s, the kind rave DJ's are likely to play.
For example, in LA I would mention Street Sounds, Prime Cuts, DMC, 
(and what's that new one called?), but not Bleeker Bob's or Vinyl
Fetish.  Send me their name, address, and phone # - and when you
send me info try to make it somewhat comprehensive.

On a similar vein, if you could compile a list of techno radio shows
(did you already do this, Joachim?) for your area that would be great,
too.  Include the station ID and frequency, relative reception area,
DJ's, and times.

Thank you...

	Brian
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: cs125b55@dcl-nxt26.cso.uiuc.edu (cs125 student)
Subject: House music: What's hot?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 02:31:35 GMT

Due to the frequent airplay of techno, I haven't heard much house music.
Can you tell me what's hot in your town?  

Plus, does anyone know of any house shows on the radio in Chicago?
Last summer, WCRX 88.1FM dropped the "PowerHouse" show (9-midnight 
Thursdays)  because the DJ moved to a rap radio station.
From: dcook@spam.ua.oz (David Cook)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Gothic Techno & high BPM
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:00:31 GMT
Organization: Stats Pure & Applied Maths, Uni of Adelaide, Australia

Just my $0.02 on some recent threads :

For high BPM techno, check out the Underground Resistance and Hard Wax
labels - it's _good_ techno, and a lot of it is 140+ bpm.

'gothic techno' - well, they're not techno, but I've heard that
people still enjoy dancing to a couple of Sisters of Mercy tracks -
This Corrosion (160 bpm !), and Temple of Love (180 bpm !!).

I think I have a speed metal instrumental on a tape somewhere that's
240 bpm, btw, which just proves that bpm is a silly way to rate techno.
"Stupid" techno (eg "Sesame's Treat", etc) is stupid techno at any speed.
On the other hand, the UR-style techno, and the other stuff I've heard
on the radio, is really _good_, no matter what speed).
(PLUG: In Adelaide, listen to MMM-FM, 93.7, Tuesday nights, 10-12)

(is anyone interested in an interview with Mike from UR ? It was on the
radio here a couple of weeks ago).

-- 
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Assistant Computer Manager, Stats, Pure and Applied Maths, Adelaide Uni.
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       - Heartland, The Sisters of Mercy
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (a trick of the tail)
Subject: Re: New York Raves/clubs requested
Organization: We Take What We Want, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:36:29 GMT

laural@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.l.la gassa) writes:
>gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky) writes:
>>you can support discrimination all you want, because you're a doorman,
>> who "knows" how to get the women in.  well, if people boycott places
>> like the limelight, this type of discrimination won't happen.
>
>I see the rave scene as being a BIG threat to the Manhatten club thing because 
>of the ravey notion of letting in anyone anywhere anytime.  A rave in NYC can
>pack in 5,000 people.  At $15/head that's a LOT of people.  No wonder the
>club cartel felt threatened and (as I heard the story) called the Social
>Club Police when Storm tried to have a rave in Manhatten last July.

The police that were there, had jackets on with emblems saying "Social
club task force" I guess in a city where there are so many clubs, and so many
bored policemen, they've got to form a committe for something..

"Yes, yes,  that'll fix all our woes.. form a .. a.. TASK FORCE!"

>Also, no wonder why clubs are picking up on the rave thing and promoting 
>their own techno nights . . . .

Yes, but this isn't the same thing. Venus (Boston) does this all the
time, and as we've already seen you still get the Jock quotient in
there, who have no idea of what's going on. 

All they see is loud music which they think they can slam to, and 
bars they can drink at, and women to harass...

But to the club owners, it's easy money. 

-John
From: mei172@cch.coventry.ac.uk (guru)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Future Sound Of London: Accelerator
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:52:46 GMT
Organization: Coventry University

In article <1992Oct14.020646.14872@news.acns.nwu.edu> jlacour@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (John Lacour) writes:
>>> 
>>> The CD cover clearly says "Central Industrial"
>>
>>Well, my CD cover says "Central Industrail"
>
>Mine says 'Industrial' also - I say children, what does it call mean?

guru sez:
	I reckon someone at Jumpin' n' Pumpin wasn't paying attention...
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        /                      imagination, I'm hallucinating grey vividly....
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Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: dan@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter)
Subject: Re: Who does that Moonraker song?
Organization: /home/fsg/dan/.organization
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:54:16 GMT

Shirley Bassey, who also sang the Goldfinger theme.  I didn't find it
ominous at all...one of the lesser Bond title songs, which for me died
after Lulu's masterful Man With the Golden Gun.

- Dan
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From:  (CaRoLyN)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: that discrimination shit
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:35:21 GMT
Reply-To: cshin@feds47.Prime.com
Distribution: usa

> From: laural@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.l.la gassa)
>
> I've clubbed in Chicago, Boston, Atlanta, New York, Dallas, and Austin.  No
> where have I seen as much "velvet roping" as in Manhatten.  Even though I am
> let in it still leaves me feeling a bit odd . . . which is why I enjoy raving
> so much, the atmosphere is that much freer, happier, and nicer since you
> weren't made to feel "selected" before you walked in.

Yeah.  That's why I believe that raves are great for people-watching...
People can dress anyway they want and dance however they please.  I
totally agree with what Laura said about not feeling "selected" before
you walk into a club...

Just my two cents worth of a comment...

CaRoLyN
Newsgroups: alt.rave,rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
From: alb@ais.org (Alan Brushaber)
Subject: Re: Has MC5 anything to do with The KLF?
Organization: UMCC
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:19:24 GMT

In article <george.718484799@windslc> george@windslc.nrel.gov writes:
>djd0873@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (p r u n e) writes:
>
>>In article <9227801.21982@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, moeller@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mc Mars) writes:
>>>I know that The KLF sampled the quote "Kick out the JAMs" from the
>>>group MC5, but could anyone tell me what exactly the group MC5 actually
>>>is? 
>
>>	MC5 was an early punk rock band from Detroit, much along the same lines
>>as Iggy & the Stooges.  Not exactly rave material, but great if you're into
>>punk.
>
>Pretty early punk, if you ask me. I don't recall anyone even using the term
>'punk' in the early '70s. BTW, the MC5 had some kind of loose affiliation with
>the White Panther Party which was headquartered on Hill Street in Ann Arbor.
>(Anyone remember Brother John Sinclair?)
>-- 
  Yes indeed. I remember John Sinclair introducing the MC5 at a free
concert at Soldiers (?) field by Wayne State University in Detroit. Saw
Sinclair a few weeks ago introducing a band at the Ann Arbor Blues and
Jazz Festival at Gallup Park.

  (Probably should add that the free MC5 concert was back in the '60's:)

Al - alb@ais.org
From: markr@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mark Rivers)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Song structure
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:06:10 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

Jason Henegan writes:
> 
> Hello ravers,
> 
> Haven't you yet realised that rave music follows the same old four-beat
> structure with the same old instruments?
> 
> Sad.
>        /\__ ___ ___
>       //\_//\__/\__\
>      //_///_/ /_/_	:Jason Henegan	
>  /\ //\_/ \_//\___\	:heneganj@uk.ac.aston.cs
> /_/// //_/_//_/_
> \__\\/ \\__\\___\

You're right of course.  Unbeatable, isn't it?

	-- Mark
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: bsmorris@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (brett simitzis morris)
Subject: Cincinnati, OH 
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:56:28 GMT

I know some intense clubs in the Cincy area.  Mail me for info.

----brett
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From: george@windslc.seri.gov (George Scott)
Newsgroups: alt.rave,rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Has MC5 anything to do with The KLF?
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:06:39 GMT
Reply-To: george@windslc.nrel.gov
Organization: Colorado State Reformatory for Young Hussies and Trollops

djd0873@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (p r u n e) writes:

>In article <9227801.21982@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, moeller@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mc Mars) writes:
>>I know that The KLF sampled the quote "Kick out the JAMs" from the
>>group MC5, but could anyone tell me what exactly the group MC5 actually
>>is? 

>	MC5 was an early punk rock band from Detroit, much along the same lines
>as Iggy & the Stooges.  Not exactly rave material, but great if you're into
>punk.

Pretty early punk, if you ask me. I don't recall anyone even using the term
'punk' in the early '70s. BTW, the MC5 had some kind of loose affiliation with
the White Panther Party which was headquartered on Hill Street in Ann Arbor.
(Anyone remember Brother John Sinclair?)
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From: bt178@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David James)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Satoshi/Marshall
Date: 16 Oct 1992 13:32:02 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I was under the impression that M. Jefferson produced
Ten City's "Foundation" LP, and that David Morales
produced "State of Mind." I could be wrong as I still
havent picked it up. BTW theres a cool article in the
new Roland Users Group magazine introducing their DJ70
workstation. Morales and Knuckles are interviewed, along
with one other DJ (can't remember), but it was kind
of interesting.

-- 
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From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B))
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Chicago Rave Scene/Milw Rave
Date: 7 Oct 1992 19:57:51 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1687980B7.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.170402.20489@midway.uchicago.edu>
>disc@quads.uchicago.edu (Little Fluffy Cloud) writes:
> 
>>
>>The problem with Chicago is that Southside promoters who used to throw house
>                                  ^^^^^^^^^
>>their crowd so that they can charge more money.  I think that's fucked.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>In spite of the scariness, though, I heard from a few people that "Rave and
>                 ^^^^^^^^^
>>Stimpy" was a good time, in spite of all the south-siders there.  (I was in
>                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Possible translation: south-siders=blacks?
> 
>>Unfortunately, there are a buncha guidos who also tend to show up, though
>                                   ^^^^^^
>Possible translation: guidos=Italians???
> 
>>doesn't have a Sox jacket on and doesn't look like a gang-banger, try not
>                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^
|Possible translation: gang-bangers=blacks?
| 
|OK, you like Deee-lite and Underground Resistance, so I'm not going to assume
|you are a racist, but I do sense some possibly racially biased overtones
|in your post. I thought the whole rave philosophy was one of unity and
|peace (as you mention) for all, and that raves were for persons who don't
|judge others by their clothing, etc.. If you don't want to be PC that's your
|perogative, but I wish you would elaborate on exactly what is wrong with
|south-siders, and just what is a "guido" anyway?
 
Oh please.  You're like my English teacher back in high school who could find
biblical allusions in Mork and Mindy and references to sex in Cat in the Hat.
If you look hard enough for something, chances are it'll appear to you, 
whether or not it was intentional or even actually present.

I think Jerry was trying to distinguish between different kinds of _crowds_
that appear at parties - and these distinct crowds have distinct attitudes
that can make or break a good event.  I don't know the demographics of
Chicago, so I don't know if _everyone_ in the south-side is black, so I
can't extrapolate that when he says south-siders he means blacks.  Ask Jerry
what he would think if a black man walked up to him, smiled, danced, gave 
him a hug, and he'd probably be thrilled.  Same thing with Italians, or any
race.  I mean, for all we know Jerry _himself_ might be black!

There is a ton of racism in the music world, that I will not deny.  But I will
deny that it exists with such prevalence in the rave scene.

	Brian
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From: ctuel@zeus.calpoly.edu (Cliff Tuel)
Newsgroups: alt.rave,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: US Orb info
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:38:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo

pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) said...
|I assume this means domestically?

Yes, look at the subject line and the top of the article, which you
deleted.  2:-)

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From: dnd@ee.man.ac.uk (Darryl Davis (RA))
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Has MC5 anything to do with The KLF?
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:22:04 GMT
Reply-To: dnd@spec0.ee.man.ac.uk (Darryl Davis (RA))
Organization: Dept Electrical and Electronic Eng, Manchester University, UK

>
>Punk it certainly was if not in name in those days. Anyone who thinks that the
>punk music made in the latter 70's was in any way new or different should
>definitely check out the MC5's first album (recently reissued on CD) or the
>ROIR tape of rarities. This all makes punk look very safe.

or indeed any Iggy Pop & Stooges (Funhouse, Raw Power) etc..
but then many of their numbers were covered by allter 70s punk eg (sex Pistols - no Fun)
as for the punk term..
check out those late 40s and 50s b+w gangster movies!

dr doom the optimist

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Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: cs125b55@dcl-nxt26.cso.uiuc.edu (cs125 student)
Subject: Name these songs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 02:22:51 GMT

I've been hearing the following songs for quite a while and would like
to know their names/artists:

Song #1 has the line "I wanna be your finger"

Song #2 has the line "The year is 1999"

Song #3 has the lines from the classic movie "It's A Wonderful Life".
I'm not sure if its by Voodoo Transmission or something like that.

All three songs are techno.  Thanks for any help.

						-T.H.
Organization: Junior, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:23:51 -0400 
From: "Brian O. Bozarth" <bb2j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: sesame's treat

 
> 
>this whole "sesame's treat" thing is really bothering me.  it seems like it's
>this new "fad" to hate that song.  now, while i'm not too fond of songs that
>just use tv themes over a beat, i don't see why everyone has to be so proud
>going around saying "oh that song sucks"... just 'cos adam x did.
> 
>just a release o' steam.
> 
>>> taylor 909

I agree,

I like the song, although I have grown quite tired of it because it has
been overplayed a lot(ie:the more times you hear it, it gets less and
less exciting) and it actually seems kinda slow and the beats aren't
very hard at all.  It does get kinda annoying at a frat party where the
only techno you hear are James Brown is Dead and Sesame's Treet:not a
good representation of the current techno genre.  Don't worry...I don't
go to frat parties anymore.

I get annoyed when people cut down a record when it sounds like they
think it's gone 'out of style' and they have become preachers and
leaders of 'rave culture'.  I think cutting records and selling them by
using primarily some novelty idea(ie:using title and samples from
movies, old songs, etc.) only just contributes to the
make-a-record-quick attitude that is out there.  This will only burn out
the scene.

plus this discussion should be featured on just alt.rave.

This is only my opinion and is not meant to start flames.

I also get tired when I hear the calls to keep the scene underground.  I
don't think the scene should be about style or uniqueness, it should be
about the quality of the music that is out there.  A act that is
popular, gets signed to a big label, and produces awesome music is not
'out of style' for the ultra-alternative crowd out there.  It is a
function of the music.  

Stop preaching about commercialism and just enjoy the music please?

Basically trying to make a complex question somewhat simple because
basically people have their OWN opinions,

Brian





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