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From: steve@sep.Stanford.EDU (Steve Cole)
Subject: more box office news
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:34:00 GMT

As I did last week, I have taken the numbers reported
in a clari article and computed $/screen for many of the
top films. This is for the labor day weekend.

			M$	screens	$/screen

Honeymoon in Vegas	9.2	1749	$5300
Unforgiven		6.4	2058	$3100
Single White Female	5.1	1744	$2900
Pet Sematary 2		3.8	1852	$2100
Death Becomes Her	3.2	1841	$1700
A League of their Own	2.7	1564	$1700
Sister Act 		2.5	1395	$1800
Rapid Fire 		1.9	1456	$1300
Enchanted April		1.6	274	$5800
Housesitter		1.2	810	$1500
Out on a Limb		1.1	703	$1600
Raising Cain		1.0	829	$1200
TP:FWWM			0.94	692	$1400
...
Bob Roberts		0.31	8	$38800???

So FWWM finishes in 13th place for total earnings or 11th place for 
$/screen. I am not counting Bob Roberts there, can it really have made
seven times what any other film made on a per-screen basis? I am
skeptical.

Last week FWWM finished in 8th place, or a very positive 4th
for $/screen ($2700). While this week's clari article mentions 
$/screen in noting the success of "Enchanted April" and "Bob Roberts",
it failed to do so last week for FWWM, saying simply that it
"failed to generate much heat". A bit of a bias in the reporting
there, I think.

Of course the box office results should not be our guide in
deciding whether FWWM is a good film, any more than TV ratings
decided whether we thought Twin Peaks was a good series. Still the
numbers are interesting.
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Steve Cole  (steve@sep.stanford.edu, apple!sep!steve)
Department of Geophysics, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305
Organization: Doctoral student, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:54:24 -0400 
From: Edward John Sabol <es2j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: FWWM: My favorite scene

Laura is talking with Harold. Harold doubts whether BOB is real. Laura
replies with: "Fire, walk with *ME*!"

As she says it, the camera gradually gets closer. When she says "ME!",
just for a split second (blink and you'll miss it), there is a close up.
Here face is white, her lips black, and her voice made my skin tingle.
It was damn eery. I seem to remember a similar visual effect from the TV
series finale, but it doesn't quite match with this scene. Wow!
From: kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Miniseries
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:09:01 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <3SEP92.14581627@wums.wustl.edu> furesz_t@wums.wustl.edu writes:
>  I think the best way would be to have a
>yearly miniseries (something the length of the first season).  That way
>each spring they could air a new 7-9 hours (one hour a week) works
>well. 

I agree.  I think about 12 episodes a year would be right.  That would
probably be about the same amount of work as shooting the orginial
season.  I think the second season would have been better if they
had only done 12 episodes and then done the second 12 a year later.
It would have given them more time to work out details of the plot
and make sure everything was of higher quality.




-- 
An amazing insight may have paid you a fleeting visit and then retreated.
Resist the temptation to chase it; it is faster than you are.  Value your
glimpse of it, and invite it to return some other time.      -John Bitmap
From: rmichl@iiic.ethz.ch (Robert Michl)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: "You shot Mike"
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:32:30 GMT
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH

In article <1992Sep10.162031.17073@cco.caltech.edu> UnoJ writes:
>In article <carl-090992175400@mac7.gsfc.nasa.gov> carl@class.gsfc.nasa.gov
>(Carl F. Hostetter) writes:
>>Correct me if I'm wrong (it's the end of a long day, and I've only seen the
>>movie once), but didn't the deputy deliver the drugs in a football? And
>>weren't Mike and Bob teammates? Maybe that added to Laura's drug-induced
>>confusion.
>>
>
>You're wrong, the drugs were in a plain white pack. Just after pulling the pack
>out and waiting for Laura to approach him, the "courier" draws the gun.
>
>By the way, I am not so sure that it is the same deputy as in Deer Meadow. How
>are we so sure about that? I tried to look at the credits but I only could find
>one for deputy Cliff but none for the courier. Then again, they were flashing
>by quite fast.

Of course it was deputy Cliff of Deer Meadow. (Laura thought of him beeing
Mike "Snake" Nelson, 'coz they went through some drug deals with Mike & Bobby.
MIKE & BOB....NOT! Remember Bobby Briggs whispering to Laura while handing
over a lill' pack of coke: "Tonight we do a big score. Don't tell Mike!")

Don't forget Lil, the red Lady: She had a hand in her pocket, danced while
blinking both eyes.
Eyes blinking means they're going to have trouble from higher up (Chet figures
out a sheriff and a deputy). The hand in her pocket means they are hiding
something. 
She had a dress on, which has been altered. This means DRUGS...


I saw FWWM three times now, but I didn't get all of what Laura said to James
at school (love scene). Was it partly "Lodge-Speak"?

"Maybe, Bobbybaby"		Robert Michl

		(rmichl@iiic.ethz.ch)

*****************************************************************
->My mother's name is Margaret (like the log Lady)
->We call Dad Carl (that was Fat Trout Trailer Park Guard)
->He's a Twin
->My brother's called Dennis (remember Denise Bryson?)
->We're Twins
->I'm BOB
->and my sister - guess what ? - Laura!
Well, the last names have been changed to protect the innocent...
*****************************************************************
Organization: Doctoral student, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:09:49 -0400 
From: Edward John Sabol <es2j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: About the ring (again) (was Re: questions...)

Excerpts from netnews.alt.tv.twin-peaks: 6-Sep-92 Re: questions... by
Gregory Salmieri@whitebase
> -> Theresa Banks ring. There has been speculation that the ring,
> -> symbolizing a circle, symbolizing a circular time line, or
> ->  that whoever wears the ring is the next to die or something
> -> like that. But what about the symbols ON the ring? Weren't
> ->  those same symbols the same ones on the wall of the cave
> -> in Twin Peaks? (At this time I forget what the symbols meant,
> ->  except that they inferred something about the white lodge,
> -> or somthing else mystical. Or am I remembering the those
> -> symbols  wrong? (Also, someone, maybe cooper, drew the same
> -> symbol on a napkin in the double R diner at one time...)
>
> The symobls are that same as those on owl cave. Owl cave was a map to the 
> lodges, whitch leads me to believe that the ring takes you into the lodges. 
> Laura escaped from Bob by entering the lodges. I think she entered the white 
> lodge because of the angle.

That's an interesting solution, and it even makes some sense. My main
question is then: Why does Cooper warn Laura not to put the ring on? It
seems to me that her final act of putting the ring on is what saves
Laura from BOB. Sure she's dead, but it's better to be dead than the
pawn of evil.
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From: rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: who's Scott Frost
Date: 6 Sep 92 23:06:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link


Who is Scott Frost, who is listed as the author of Cooper's autobiog?
Did he have anything to do with the show?
-- 
Robert Chao
Oakland, California
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: UnoJ
Subject: Re: "You shot Mike"
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 01:54:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.223230.27286@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> rmichl@iiic.ethz.ch
(Robert Michl) writes:
>I saw FWWM three times now, but I didn't get all of what Laura said to James
>at school (love scene). Was it partly "Lodge-Speak"?
>
>"Maybe, Bobbybaby"		Robert Michl
>
>		(rmichl@iiic.ethz.ch)

There is another instance, and thanks for reminding me
of the other one, where it appears that Laura is speaking
as if dazed (Lodge-speak?): in the woods with James
again, right after they dismount from the bike, she
says something that sounds like "Ishmet" and James
says "What?" then Laura blinks and is back in our
world again. People with a script should be able to
answer this for us quite easily I hope....


     UnoJ


Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Another question about MIKE...
Organization: Clark University
Date: 7 SEP 92 15:51:04 GMT

There's probably a simple reason for this that I'm forgetting, but if MIKE
was capable of warning Laura about Leland in the movie, why did he need to
spend all that time in the series searching for BOB and interrogating Ben 
Horne? I suppose (legally speaking)he couldn't have Leland arrested 
without evidence.

-				|   "A guy with a hard-on is not
Bart "Webb" Tilney		|    my idea of art."
Email: htilney@vax.clarku.edu	|    			- John Mellencamp
From: drewds@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (David A Southwood)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: ONE-armed Man
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:20:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


     Does everyone already know that the One-Armed Man named Gerrard is
from the TV show 'THE FUGITIVE' where Dr. Richard Kimble was chasing
an unknown one-armed man who turned out to have killed his wife in
the series.  In the final episode of the fugitive it is fairly definite
that the one-armed man was the killer, but it also could have been Taft.
Lt. Gerrard was the police officer chasing Kimble across the U.S. in
the series which is still running in reruns on A&E.
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Second Guessing...
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:40:26 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

OK, so the movie's been out for a couple of weeks, and everyone's put in
their two cents' worth on what was right/wrong.  Lots of little carps and
kvetches.  Things that were left out, things that should have been cut.
Now it's time to ask all the wannabe-Lynches out there:

What would you have done differently?

We all know how much was left on the cutting-room floor for this movie.
What scenes would you rather have seen, and what do you think should still
have been cut?  Are there any extra scenes that weren't in the script
that you would have liked to have seen?

Bear in mind the fact that the movie was already damn long at 2:10, and
that for anything you add you'll probably have to cut something.

My personal ideas aren't that complicated.  First up, I would DEFINITELY
have put in one shot of Leland shoving the R under Laura's fingernail.
Otherwise the T under Teresa's makes no sense whatsoever in the context
of the movie.

Second, the entire half-hour before Laura appears would be cut TO THE BONE.
The number of scenes could be counted on one hand.  The TV smashed -- Teresa
floating down the river -- Desmond and Stanley do the autopsy and find the
T -- Coop says he feels the killer will strike again -- BANG into the Twin
Peaks title sequence.  Keep the movie focused on what it's about: Laura
Palmer.  None of this confusion about Cliff Howard.  And no Philip 
Jeffries scene.  Maybe splice a couple of shots from the Gathering of Owls
in the convenience store into Laura's dream, to explain "garmonbozia", but
that's it.  All that stuff involving the FBI investigation really belonged
in a completely separate movie.  In fact, I'd love to see it explored to
that depth.  Just not here.

As for additions, I'd add a Meals On Wheels run, simply to introduce Harold
Smith and the Tremonds.  Otherwise they seem to just come out of nowhere.
At the end, I'd put in at least one scene to make it clear that Laura knows
she is going to die -- maybe she writes that last diary entry and mails it
to Harold.  Make the thematic shape of the movie clearer that way.

The end result -- a slimmer, more focused film that could almost stand on
its own.  Anyone else want to come forward with their "improvements" to
FWWM?
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Subject: Doppegaenger and rings--a theory
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 19:11:25 GMT

Lots of spoiler material ahead















Here is my theory about the ring(s) in FWWM.

The ring with the symbol on it protects the wearer from possession by BOB
(and similar beings).

The OAM tosses it to Laura in the train to help save her soul, not her
life.  Note that he seems indifferent to her death per se and leaves as
soon as she is dead, showing no interest in Ronette.  As Jacoby
hypothesized in TP, Laura wanted to die in order to escape an awful life.
She had lost hope (hence the disappearance of the angel), but refused to
let BOB take her over. There is evidence for this both in Leland's death
scene and in material in the shooting script where Laura asks Leland to
kill her:
#       Leland:  DON'T MAKE ME DO IT.
#       Laura:  NO, YOU HAVE TO KILL ME.
#       Leland:  I always thought you knew it was me.
#       Laura:  {to BOB in the mirror}  NO!  YOU CAN'T HAVE ME.  {to
Leland}
#         KILL ME.

However, following one christian mythos, Laura does not go to heaven or
hell, she goes to purgatory where Coop eventually helps her make the
transition to heaven.

OK, I can see you shaking your heads out there. "No way. Coop told her not
to take the ring."

Heh, heh. Which Coop?
#       J:  {pointing at Cooper}  Who do you think that is there?

For that matter, which Old Lady and grandson, et cetera. There are a LOT of
doppelgangaengers running around out there and 'The Owls are Not What They
Seem'.  Same argument for the OAM in the lodge.  We have a reversal here.
The good Coop is trapped in the Black Lodge, but the good OAM is out in the
world.

-Rich Haller  "In a town like Twin Peaks, you can't trust anyone."
From: bert@medley.ssdl.com (Bert Medley  )
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: The missing 6
Keywords: 6
Date: 14 Sep 92 00:36:06 GMT
Organization: Medley's Homestyle Waffle

wwc@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (wanna.w.chin) writes:

> Regarding the numbers on the pole
> 24810
>   6
> and the previous post on how you can add them to get two 6s but not three 6s.
> Here's another 6.
> 
> Take 2 and double it, you get 4.
> Take 4 and double it, you get 8.
> Take 8 and double it, and you should get 16.
> But you actually have 10 which is 6 less than 16.
> Hence the missing 6.
> 
> Wanna

Look at the pole again.  There is a number preceding the 2 that looks like an
8.  There also appears to be a number after the 0.  The whole number looks like
824810?.


--
Bert Medley              !
bert@medley.ssdl.com     !
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel)
Subject: Re: What I remember from FWWM
Summary: comments
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:54:58 GMT

>they leave the diner to take a look at Theresa Banks body.  They peel
>back her fingernail to find a T and they notice that her ring is missing.
>Next they visit the trailer park of Carl Rodd. They go into Theresa Banks
>trailer to talk.  An odd, dark looking woman with an ice pack comes out
>from a back room in the trailer.  Chet says: do you know who killed Theresa

Old woman with an icepack over her eye? While it has been suggested she
 is Mr.s Tremond's "familiar" would she possibly have any relation to
 Nadine?

>(Remember Harry saying in episode 1 'Same thing as happened last year in

 He was referring to what happened in a barn the previous year where they
 found someone dead or injured (in Twin Peaks) and he was referring to
 Andy crying again.


>We see the face of the monkey again.

Could the monkey behind the mask represent that the spirits hide in hosts
 and they can take more then one form (host) thus why Pierre is seen behind
 the mask, he puts it back on and when he takes it off again it is the
 monkey.

>Laura focuses on the wires and electricity as she is walking down the
>street (I think this is how Phillip Jeffries travels.)

Bob: "Electricty!" - yes, I agree here.. not only Jeffries but all that
 go through the portal.

>By the way, there were 5 rings all together....
>

Audrey's ring - the one she shows to Coop

 Ring of innocence?
>        Theresa - The green ring

   Ring of travel?
>        Windome Earl - The twisted snake ring.

Ring of deceit/evil?>
Cooper - The gold circle ring.

 Represents the garmonbozia - circle of Appetite... fulfilment
>        Donna - The diamond ring James gave her.
>
 Represents love?

-=*George*=-
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Minor point about the Bookhouse Boys
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:09:17 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <rhaller-090992112532@rhaller.cc.uoregon.edu> rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
>1969 (the approximate date of
>founding of the Bookhouse Boys)

This seems to be a common misconception.  It seems to me that the Boys have
been together much longer than that -- remember Truman's quote in #1003
"Men before us, men before them".  It could just be that 1969 was when most
of the current crop of Bookhouse Boys (Truman, Ed, Hank, et cetera) joined.

I don't remember the precise "going on twenty years now" quote, but I think
it could be interpreted that way.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: pnorman@kean.ucs.mun.ca (Peter T.  Norman)
Subject: Lynch's film's endings - he says so.
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:14:11 GMT

I recall reading an interview with David Lynch (maybe in Rolling Stone?);
he states that he likes happy endings.  I think that this is relevant to 
all discussion of the angel in the final scene.

-- 
( )-------------------------------------------------------------( )
 | Peter T.  Norman        Memorial University of Newfoundland   |
( )---------------------------------( )-------------------------( )
 | UNIX:  pnorman@morgan.ucs.mun.ca  |  "...if we wanted to      |
 | VMS:  pnorman@kean.ucs.mun.ca     |   make films that would   |
( )---------------------------------( )  not offend anyone, we   |
 |  "... i think i've reached that   |   would make them about   |
 |  point, where every wish has come |   sewing, maybe; although |
 |  true and tired disguised oblivion|   even that could be      |
 |  is everything i do..."           |   ...dangerous"           |
 |               -Robert Smith       |         -David Lynch      |
( )---------------------------------( )-------------------------( )
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: mking@planet10.WPI.EDU (Matthew Alexander King)
Subject: Re: Another question about MIKE...
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:34:44 GMT



Oh, the titles of the songs are a good help with the interpretation of the
Movie.  Check out the soundtrack.

"Questions in a World of Blue", huh? Blue Rose? Could there be some
connection, i think so, maybe, who knows, any guesses?

Why does Sarah smoke so damn much?!  And does Donna's remark "if i had
a nickle for every cigarette your mom smoked - i'd be dead," have a point?

Harold's place, hey i would change the scenery too if i couldnt leave my 
house.

Bobby's walking backwards and the song to it - you know the laugh coming
on song, with the asphalt?  Why backwards, he did it in the original 
series premiere too.

Questions, questions, questions... Lynch you sick little monkey.

Matt
From: C491153@MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU (John Schultz)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: FWWM Review in 'Time' Magazine
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:29:35 GMT

The David Lynch circus is back.  While Mark Frost is happy to leave the
town he helped make a prime-time legend, his ex-partner is still living
there, with all the warped ingenuousness of a rural kid who tells his
friends, "Let's put the freak show on right here!  Again!"  Twin Peaks Fire
Walk With Me, Lynch's way-too-late prequel to the 1990 TV series, relates
the last days of teen queen Laura Palmer (Sheryl Lee).  After an agonizing
first half-hour designed to empty the theater, Lynch unleashes his patented
perfervid style, puts the familiar dwarfs and feebs on display and elicits
a nicely horrifying turn from Lee.  But the magic has died:  nothing seems
older than a two-year-old fad on the comeback trail.  How ya gonna keep 'em
down in Twin Peaks after the Zeitgeist's gone?


John Schultz (caffeine abuser)   !  ABC killed Laura Palmer
c491153@mizzou1.bitnet           !  Macintosh-free and proud of it!
c491153@mizzou1.missouri.edu     !  Subscriber to the hacker ethic
From: mking@planet10.WPI.EDU (Matthew Alexander King)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: With this ring...
Date: 9 Sep 1992 22:41:14 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: planet10.wpi.edu


I think the "With this ring I thee wed", comment is a good point.
but i dont think the ring transports anyone, Teresa had it for a long
time, perhaps it lets you experience the lodges or something of that 
sort.  Comments?

I also noticed in the viewings of FWWM that the lodges in the movies
the floors were really dirty and in the series they were really clean and 
shiny, perhaps a cinematographer or directorial artistic decision?

When Laura looked back at the picture and saw herself, what was that, did she
enter the lodge or finally realize about how the lodge works?  Answers
anyone?

Oh Dave what a tangled web ye weave...
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From: rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao)
Subject: Re: Where Songs are in the Movie (was TP:FWWM Soundtrack) spoilers
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:26:17 GMT


There is some haunting violin music used when Desmond is in the trailer
and the old lady with the ice bag walks in. I don't think that is on
the soundtrack CD.
I noticed some music that sounded like music being played backwards. I
am not sure if it is the bits from Black Dog that someone mentioned.
The CD notes say that Lynch plays the percussion on the Pink Room, but
not the drums. I wonder if he just basically hits some cymbals.
I really like the way the jazz music plays throughout the Deer Meadow
scenes. Different from the tv series. And I was hoping the CD notes would
have more interesting notes/pictures....too bad
-- 
Robert Chao
Oakland, California
From: brian@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Wood)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:43:13 GMT
Subject: Re: Some stuff related to Twin pEaks
Organization: HP Mfg. Test Div., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks

>Secondly, a friend of mine wants to know in which fashion magazine
>Sherilyn (sp?) Fenn appeared last year.  Any info would be
>appreciated.  Have a .. good time of the day.

I believe it was Details, which calls itself a men's magazine.  The
rest of the issue was pretty boring, though.  Sorry, don't remember which
month.

Brian WOOD
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