Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 07:23:50 EDT
From: <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Scholarships
 <1992Apr12.214555.20288@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> <45648@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>

In article <45648@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman
Rubin) says:
>
>In article <1992Apr12.214555.20288@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>
>dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr11.162024.9268@anasaz> john@anasaz (John Moore) writes:
>>>Keywords:
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>>>The problem with AA is that it DOES lead to quotas. My daughter yesterday
>>>was looking at scholarships. She found most she could not get because
>>>she is not black, and found one she could get (but others could not)
>>>because she is a female math whiz. What sort of message do you think she
>>>got from this?
>
>>There are many scholarships for women also. What book are you looking
>>at ? How do respond to the fact that there has been this old boy
>>system which has benefited white males for centuries ? AA is just to make
>>sure that whites, which have a long history of discrimination, don't
>>discriminate on the basis of color, etc. If there are any quotas its the
>>perpetuation of white males in positions of power and authority.
>
>You have absolutely no idea about how scholarships are awarded.  There
>are an extremely small number awarded on ability.  EXTREMELY small.
>Most are awarded on a basis of "need" with little regard for ability,
>except the requirement of qualifying for admission.  These scholarships
>effectively exclude the entire middle class.  Probably at least 1/3 of
>those admitted on these scholarships could not satisfy the requirement
>of an honest elementary school diploma.
   What a crock of s**t!  I see that you claim to be from the statistics
department of Purdue, well where do you get this 1/3 number?  When I was an
undergraduate, I knew a lot of people on "need" scholarships (myself being
one of them) and we had no greater problem in the classroom then others who
paid their way!  What a stupid and un-scholarly statement you make.  You are
making a blanket statement that just because one is disadvantaged academically,
that they are almost certainly to be disadvantaged scholastically.  Though
there is a correlation between income and test scores, your 1/3 assertion is
ludicrous.

>There are "special" scholarships, like athletic scholarships and minority
>scholarships, which are even weaker.  The outcome is that we have oodles
>of college students who have little chance of completing an honest program,
>and indeed, the college curriculum at the present time is far from being
>honest.  Letting in essentially illiterate "disadvantaged" students is
>doing nothing other than destroying what is left of the educational system.

     "illiterate 'disadvantaged' students"?  Again a horrible blanket statement
from supposed elitist scum.  Why don't we just throw all the economically
disadvantaged people in jail, that is where they belong and where they will end
up.  If you give them a chance in a university, they will just mess up, if your
life station upon birth is to be poor, well don't even try to uplift yourself.
And if you are a minority, forget the fact that except for the last 25 years
(out of the almost 350 years universities have been in the U.S.) you were not
allowed to attend college, that the greatest example of Affirmative Action,
that being only allowing white males to attend college was in effect, forget
all of that, the playing field is all even now, and you don't deserve minority
scholarships, and if you are on a minority scholarship, your scholastic
achievement is "weak" no matter what you have done to earn it.  You are again
making bullsh**t blanket statements.  I had a minority scholarship, along with
a need scholarship, along with a National Merit Scholarship during my
undergraduate days, but according to you, my achievment, my credentials are
weak.  I wish people would stop spouting their opinions that are not based in
fact or reason, if you can make a statement that 1/3 of "need" based scholar-
ships are given to people who are not worthy of an elementary school diploma
then you had better have facts to back up such a statement!!!!!
>Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
>Phone: (317)494-6054
>hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)
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