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From: D61O@br2.hrz.th-darmstadt.de (One of 100 millions ZHANGs)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: SWIMFINAL: Result-W's 100m Butterfly
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:28:08 GMT
Organization: Technical University Darmstadt, Germany
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In <1992Jul30.213707.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:

< > Well, an American won a medal, but it's not the one NBC expected. And
< > the PRC continues to do its thing in the water. 
< 
< PRC is the People's Republic of China, commonly known as Taiwan (code PRC?)
< PDRC is the People's Democratic Republic of China, commonly known as China
< (code CHN).
< 
< CHN, China or the People's Democratic Republic of China, have been doing
< very well in the diving and swimming waters.

Wrong!

PRC or CHN are both for the People's Republic of China, commonly known as 
China.

ROC is for the Republic of China, commonly known as Taiwan. At the Olympics,
it should be officially called as TPE (?), code for Chinese Taipei.

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J.Z.
d61o@br2.hrz.th-darmstadt.de
From: paw@coos.dartmouth.edu (Pat Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Women's Olympic Gymnastics
Keywords: gymnastics
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:02:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

rachele@nysa.cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless) writes:

>The point is that the USA
>is fortunate to have an abundance of outstanding gymnasts, all of whom
>deserve to compete in the Olympics, but only six per country may
>compete.

>The fact is, however, the team must be cut to six gymnasts and one
>alternate.  This is a difficult task, unenviable in my eyes because of
>the inevitable controversy that will follow.  The US has found, in the
>past, that selecting gymnasts solely based on their ranking after
>Trials has given poor results.  In 1988, the US Champion Dan Hayden

>In 1991, the US changed the rules for the women, with the last
>qualification phase being the "subjective" assessment of the national
>coaches.  This resulted in a 2nd place finish, a best-ever for the US
>women in a World Championships.  

I hope that the USGF doesn't find itself in the position the USET
(Equestrian Team) has recently - there was such a "subjective phase"
for the Team selection to a World Cup (often a bigger deal than the
Olympics in our sport(s)), someone got left off the Team who felt she
should have been on (and _should_ have, if only objective criteria
were used), and USET's been in litigation ever since.  It's very hard,
after working so hard (and spending all that money), not to feel angry
and betrayed when one isn't chosen after following all the rules (by
which I mean attending all the qualifying competitions and beating your
opponents there)...  The USET's using a totally objective system this
year.

On the other hand, watch our Equestrian Olympic teams this year and see
how well they do - with the exception, perhaps, of the Dressage team,
all have suffered from the "objective" selection criteria, and several
of our best horse/rider combinations won't be competing.

I think it's awful the way NBC is trying to make Kelly say something
she shouldn't (as in "I'll sue") - the poor kid's had enough without
playing spoiler at the games.  It's a shame it happened, and I'm on her 
side, but nothing's going to be gained at this time by harping on it.



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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Cool Arrow Thing -- NOT!
Keywords: n
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:16:13 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology


|> In short, it worked.  The reason why they didn't want it to land in the dish, is
|> that it could bounce in the calduron and bounce out into the crowd.  Therefore,
|> they played it safe and flew the calduron and into the street.

I believe that it worked, but this part is Bull. You want it to fly over
and not in because if you undershoot even slightly, It will look REALLY bad.

Jason W. Solinsky
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From: asrini@sanjuan (Anand Srinivasan)
Subject: Re: Cricket in the Olympics
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:10:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.100406.23629@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.060526.27572@ecst.csuchico.edu>, jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali) writes:
>
>|> An estimated 2 BILLION people watched Pakistan defeat England in the 
>|> Cricket World Cup in Melbourne earlier this year.  
>
>This is pretty rediculous. Do you realize the incredible disruptions that would
>occur if this happened. I find it hard to believe that their have ever been
>2 Billion people watching TV simultaneously.
>
>Jason W. Solinsky

please!!!  if you have not visited the Indian Sub-continent yet
please do so, i invite you!!!  at an average there are atleast
5 to 6 viewers per TV when the cricket matches are being telecast.
This is a very modest estimate.  It just brings life to a stand-still...

AS


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From: killer@robocop.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: MEDAL COUNT mo 27.7.
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:01:18 GMT


      MEDAL COUNT AS OF 27.7.

EUN		   6	  1	 0
China		   3      6	 1
USA		   3	  2	 5
Hungary		   2	  1	 1
Korea		   2	  0	 0
Germany		   1	  1	 3
Australia	   1	  1	 1
Japan              1 	  1	 1
Bulgaria	   1	  1	 0
Spain		   1	  0	 0
France		   0	  2	 3
Sweden		   0	  2	 1
Italy		   0	  1	 1
Poland		   0	  1	 0
Cuba		   0	  1	 0
Finland		   0	  0	 1
Holland		   0	  0	 1
Romany		   0	  0	 1
Surinam		   0	  0	 1
Mongolia           0	  0	 1

Aranka Binder	   -	  -	 1

The following events are counted:
(WARNING: Includes medalists of the individual events)


M 100m Breast (USA,HUN,AUS)
M 200m Freestyle (EUN,SWE,FIN)
M Free-pistol 60s (EUN,CHN,SWE)
M 100km timecycling (GER,ITA,FRA)
M Weight lifting 52kg (BUL,CHN,ROM)
F 100m Freestyle (CHN,USA,GER)
F 400m Multiple (HUN,CHN,USA)
F Air-rifle (KOR,BUL,---)
F Cross-Country Cycling (AUS,FRA,HOL)

M 4x200m Free (EUN,SWE,USA)
M 400m Multiple (HUN,USA,ITA)
M 100m Butterfly (USA,POL,SUR)
M Weight lifting 56kg (KOR,CHN,CHN)
M Air-rifle 60+10s (EUN,FRA,GER)
M Cycling 1000m time (ESP,AUS,USA)
M Judo +95kg (EUN,JPN,FRA+HUN)
F 200m Freestyle (USA,GER,GER)
F 200m Breast (JPN,CHN,USA)
F 10m Swimjump (CHN,EUN,USA)
F Judo +72kg (CHN,CUB,ITA+JPN)
F Sport pistol(EUN,CHN,MGL)


         TOTAL MEDAL COUNT


USA		   756   573   491
Soviet Union	   395	 319   286
Great Britain	   172	 223   209
France		   164	 168   174
East Germany	   160	 153   141
Italy		   140	 114   117
Sweden		   134	 145   169
Hungary		   126	 114   138
Finland		    98	  75   111
Japan		    87	  76    82
West Germany	    79	 100   108
Germany		    74	  88    95
Australia	    74	  67	90
Romania		    55	  64	85
Checkoslovakia	    45	  51	46
Norway		    42	  33	34
Canada		    40	  62	76
Poland		    40	  57	95
Switzerland	    40	  55	53
Holland		    39	  44	60
Belgium		    39	  43	45
Bulgaria	    38	  63	52
Denmark		    33	  60	53
Yugoslavia	    26	  29	29
New Zeland	    25	   6	21
Turkey		    24	  13	10
China		    23	  30	24
Cuba		    23	  23	15
Greece		    22	  39	40
Austria		    18	  26	34
South Korea	    18	  22	25
South Africa	    15	  14	21
Argentina	    13	  19	14
Kenya		    11	   9	11
Mexico		     9	  12	18
India		     8	   3	 3
Brazil		     7	   9	20
Estonia		     6	   6	 9
EUN		     6	   1	 0
Spain		     5	  13	 9
Egypt		     5	  13	 8
Ireland		     5	   4	 5
Ethiopia	     5	   1	 4
Iran		     4	  11	15
Jamaica		     4	  10	 6
Pakistan	     3	   3	 2
Morocco		     3	   1	 2
Korea		     3	   0	 5
North Korea	     2	   5	 5
Portugal	     2	   4	 7
Uruguay		     2	   1	 6
Russia		     1	   4	 3
Venzuela	     1	   2	 5
Trinidad	     1	   2	 4
Tunisia		     1	   2	 2
Uganda		     1	   2	 1
Peru		     1	   2	 0
Luxemburg	     1	   1	 0
Bahama Islands	     1	   0	 1
Surinam		     1	   0	 1
Zimbabwe	     1	   0	 0
Mongolia	     -     -     +1

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From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: USA Women's Basketball & NBC
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:33:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Sure, women's basketball isn't the big draw that men's
basketball is, especially this year with the Dream
Team.  But couldn't NBC at least have shown some 
highlights from the women's USA vs. Brazil game
yesterday?  Afterall, the US team is favored for the
gold and may be the best women's team ever put together.

-----------------------------
Chris Riff
riff@dartmouth.edu
From: bhala@cs.utexas.edu (Bhalchandra Ghatate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: What is NBC doing ?
Date: 26 Jul 1992 20:12:45 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: saltillo.cs.utexas.edu

	Have all the good events been transferred from
the regular broadcast to cable ?.  They didnot show the
Womens 100 mtrs Freestyle final nor the Mens 100mtrs Breast final
where the Americans got medals.
	This must be a ploy to make viewers pay $100 for the
triplecast.

bhala
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From: killer@niksula.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: Cricket in the Olympics
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:03:32 GMT

In article <2166@tymix.Tymnet.COM> douge@tigger.tymnet.com (Doug Ellenberg) writes:

   I heard cricket WAS an Olympic event and was removed.  Just coming

Yes, it was an event at 1900 in Paris.  So was croquet...

Other one time events include ice-hockey (1920), Rackets (1908), Jeu
de paume (1908) and motor boats (1908).
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From: hxiao@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Michael Hemin Xiao)
Subject: Re: VOLLEYBALL QUESTION
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:10:19 GMT

In article <Bs6tHp.J7C@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen) writes:
>wouter@cwi.nl (Wouter Mettrop) writes:
>
>>Italy           2  4   6-1
>>Japan           2  3   5-4
>>United States   2  3   4-5
>>France          2  3   4-5
>>Spain           2  3   3-5
>>Canada          2  2   4-6
>
>What do these above numbers mean?  Please explain them.
>Are they total matches, points, games for-against?
>If so, how are points determined?

I guess it is  matches points set for and set against
point scheme is  win 2    loss 1

I dont see the meaningfulness for total number of set for and against
it is meaningful for one match, not several matches together.


Xref: sparky rec.sport.olympics:1198 soc.culture.british:10775
From: ccas27@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Date: 28 Jul 92 10:56:22 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Jul28.063104.10049@osf.org>, sp@mirabeau.osf.fr (Simon Patience) writes:
> In article <92209.085455BERNARD@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,
> BERNARD@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Bernard BELL) writes:
>> Those of you who watched the opening ceremony of the Olympics would have
>> seen that the British team came in as under the name Great Britain, or
>> more accurately, under Grande Bretagne, since the language of nomenclature
>> for the parade was French. Does anyone know why the British compete as
>> Grande Bretagne and not as Royaume Uni?
> 
> And does anyone know why on earth a parade in Spain (oops, sorry
> Catalonia) should use French? 
>

  The whole of the opening ceremony was a balance between Catalonian and
  Spanish culture and rituals etc to avoid offending either the Catalonions
  in whose city the event was taking place and so as not to embarass the King
  or government of Spain. Neither side would back down when it came to
  the choice of language for the parade so as a compromise they chose French.

  As the Olympics are awarded to host cities and not countries I think they
  should have used Catalonion, of course maybe the central government was
  putting up a lot of the money.
 
> Simon.
> 
>   Simon Patience
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Xref: sparky rec.sport.olympics:1057 soc.culture.british:10724
From: BERNARD@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Bernard BELL)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:54:55 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In rugby, Scotland, England and Wales compete as separate teams in the
Home Championship, but N.Ireland and Eire compete together as a unified
Ireland team.  Occassionaly they all get together to tour as the British
Lions. I assume that the Lions include representatives from Eire. Someone
correct me if I'm wrong.

GB or UK does not compete as a team in the Commonwealth Games. Instead, the
constituent parts compete as separate teams (England, Scotland, etc.).

Those of you who watched the opening ceremony of the Olympics would have
seen that the British team came in as under the name Great Britain, or
more accurately, under Grande Bretagne, since the language of nomenclature
for the parade was French. Does anyone know why the British compete as
Grande Bretagne and not as Royaume Uni?
From: sph@doc.ic.ac.uk (Simon Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Australian track and field news
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:02:40 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.

In <1992Jul15.020916.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) writes:
>In article <sph.711123312@achilles>, sph@doc.ic.ac.uk (Simon Hughes) writes:
>> I thought I read in the British press that whole chunks of the potential
>> Australian team were being left behind.  Something like all field
>> event competitors.  Can you confirm or deny this Rod (or anyone else).
>  From memory, one or two athletes missed the Olympics due to late sickness,
>but the next highest competitor qualified in their place.

>  There are no reports of Australia leaving behind masses of track and field
>athletes.  I would appreciate it if you could post the article if you can
>find it.

I found the original article, which appeared in The Guardian newspaper
dated 11 July.  It's not quite as dramatic as I suggested above but
apparently the Australian selectors decided, after the Lausanne gp
(8 July), not to select any men for the track events between
800 and 10000 metres.  So, for example, Sean Creighton, the World
Student Games 3000 steeplechase champion (pb 8.27), has not been
selected.

Simon
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 30 Jul 1992 23:45:59 CDT
From: <U18689@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Annoying Horn

  Is anyone annoyed by the sound of the horn during the basketball games?
The horn sounds exactly like the first note of the Olympic theme and every
time it goes off I'm expecting the theme song to play and NBC to cut away
to commercials.
From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: A modest proposal
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:24:29 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <92211.230346RAJA@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> RAJA@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>Let us see some sports wi6thout americans please!!!!

We did, for once.  NBC showed the finals of a swimming race last night
in which no American qualified.  The reason, I am sure, is that they
figured that swimming is popular enough that we'd be interested in the
finals even without an American.  For once, they were right.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov
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From: etchuck@helix.nih.gov (Emil Thomas Chuck)
Subject: Is it cut and dry? Re: US/Japan volleyball protest
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:00:15 GMT

van@seurat.wustl.edu (Van Vo) writes:
$etchuck@helix.nih.gov writes:
$> millerm@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Mikemoe) writes:
$> :As soon as someone finds out the results of the
$> :Japanese protest of yesterday's match, please
$> :post it.
$> :
$> :FYI...my understanding of the protest is due
$> :to possible referee error. Allegedly, the ref
$> :should have ejected a USA player, instead of
$> :giving him another (his 2nd) warning for yelling
$> :at a ref. This ejection would also have awarded
$> :Japan with another point...that point would
$> :have given the 4th game (and match) to Japan.
$> :Instead, USA turns it around and wins 4th and 5th
$> :games for the match.
$> 
$> To my knowledge, the Japanese protest was granted. I don't know what
$> the FIVA committee decided as to the recourse. I think they'll replay  
$the
$> game from the point of protest.
$
$As another poster said, Japan was given the match, which makes sense.
$The ref error occurred with Japan up 14-13.  A US player yelled
$at the ref and received his second yellow card.  However, players
$don't get second yellows.  The card should have been a red which
$would have given Japan a point, resulting in a 15-13 Japanese 4th game
$and the match would have gone to Japan 3-1.  I doubt they would replay
$such a cut and dry situation.

I recant my statement. However, does anyone know exactly WHEN the protest
was raised? According to FIVA rules (according to WTEM-AM 570 Washington DC
where there is a very lively discussion going), a protest must be given
IMMEDIATELY after the point of controversy. I believe that the error was
not immediately protested over (according to the DJ's who watched on
Triplecast -- I would have but I don't have that much energy to watch at
12:30 AM this morning when NBC was showing it) and although I agree that
the protest was a correct one, that the fact the protest was not raised
immediately means that the committee themselves did not follow their own
rules with respect to protest procedures. If the protest were raised
immediately, then I would accept this decision a lot better than I am
currently. (Though I agree that Japan has always fielded a very competitive
team.)

--
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From: clamen@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Subject: Re: John Tesh
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 02:37:24 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
	<834@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <834@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala) writes:

   chuanli@remus.rutgers.edu (chuanli) writes:
   : I watched the women gymnastic team competition last night, and found
   : John Tesh very anoying.

   Is this John is the same one of Entertinement Tonight on ABC?
   If so, how come NBC hired him? I am of the opinian that ABC and
   NBC are arch rivals. Somebody please clarify this.

   ---Sreehari

Entertainment Tonight is a syndicated show.  It is produced by
Paramount.

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From: r2yg@vax1.cc.uakron.edu (Yuehua Guo)
Subject: Re: Annoying Horn
Organization: The University of Akron, Akron, Ohio
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 05:47:32 GMT

In article <92212.234559U18689@uicvm.uic.edu> <U18689@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>  Is anyone annoyed by the sound of the horn during the basketball games?
>The horn sounds exactly like the first note of the Olympic theme and every
>time it goes off I'm expecting the theme song to play and NBC to cut away
>to commercials.


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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: GYMNASTICS:  Opinions on Gutsu's new all-around chance
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:58:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.160307.17920@athena.mit.edu> raek@athena.mit.edu (Robyn A E Kozierok) writes:
>
>I am aware of why the rule has not yet been changed.  But I still feel that it
>should be.  What right do the smaller countries have to have gymnasts in the
>finals who are not on the level of the competitors from the strong gymnastic
>nations?  Do any other sports have such a rule? (track? diving? swimming?

Carl Lewis isn't running in the 100m...nor is Greg Foster running the
hurdles...

One of the justifications for the rule is to compensate for the admitted
imperfection in judging gymnastics which tends to give higher scores to
gymnast who compete in later rotations...    

Also, you want to expand your sport...so a little affirmative action 
is appropriate.

>others?)  The gymnasts who get in this way are not even close to being in the
>running for anything, whereas many of the gymnasts who are eliminated by this
>rule would be.  If this is an _individual_ all-around final, the top 36
>(or any other number you choose to use) _individuals_ should be competing in
>it.
>

Gerald
From: kfansah@axion.bt.co.uk (Kwadwo Frimpong-Ansah)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: BOXING: Results from 28 July
Keywords: Boxing
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:49:43 GMT
Reply-To: kfansah@axion.bt.co.uk (Kwadwo Frimpong-Ansah)
Organization: British Telecom Research Labs


The following boxers won yesterday:

BANTAMWEIGHT

W McCullough  	- Ire
M Sabo        	-  Nig
S Todorov	- Bul
S Reyes		- US
J Johnson	- Cuba
P Wartelle	- Fr
J Alfaro	- Mex
R Ferreyra	- Arg

MIDDLEWEIGHT

C Byrd 		- US
A Lebziack	- CIS
A Dine		- Alg	beat T Russo		Ilaly
S Ottke		- Ger
A Ascuy		- Cub
D Nicholson	- US    beat P Lawson         - GB
B Lentz		- Den

HEAVYWEIGHT

A Vd Lijde	- Hol
P Douglas	- Ire
A Choudinov	- CIS
The rest of the boxers had byes.
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