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From: ejdath@donner.uucp (25832-dath)
Subject: Aikido
Reply-To: ejdath@donner.UUCP ()
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 20:04:11 GMT

I studied Shao Lin for 3.5 years and was forced to drop out for monitary and
family considerations. (i.e bought a house and moved pretty far away).

I have been looking to start MA again, but there are no Shao Lin schools near
me.  I have found an Aikido school nearby.  I know next to nothing about the
Japanese MA's, but I do like MA's with more circular and flowing movements.
From what little I know Aikido more or less fits this description.

My other choice is really more of convenience, it is an Isshin-Ryu school
which is very close to home and my son attends classes there.  From what I
can see this school teaches what I think of as Karate. (linear, direct, hard)


The question here is:

1.  Can anyone give me more info on either of these systems?
2.  Is Aikido more 'circular' and flowing?
3.  What should school cost/mo. approx (Northern NJ)?
4.  Any body have any info on The American Aikido schools in NJ?
               (schools in MorrisPlains, Clifton, Elizabeth, RedBank)
      Are these schools/instructors/etc quality or not?
5.  Any other useful info or suggestions are welcome.

Thanks,
E.J.

Please no flames about which is better or worse or my own personal preferences.
Thanks again.
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Books on Chi/Ki
Date: 23 Jul 1992 04:07:21 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
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In article <BrtH1F.LnM@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kpbg3203@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kestutis P. Boyev) writes:
>    Probably you should check out books by Yang Jwang-ming and Mantak Chia.

Yes.  Just be sure not do anything you read about in the Chia books, though.


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From: mmadsen@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Matt Madsen)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Weapons
Date: 26 Jul 92 02:56:29 GMT
Reply-To: mmadsen@ics.uci.edu (Matt Madsen)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.

What are the laws concerning knives, guns, baseball bats, etc.?
(I happen to live in southern California, but I'd like to hear about just
about anywhere.)

What can you carry, what can you conceal, what can you have in your car,
what can you own at all?

Also, what's worth carrying...
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From: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk (Bill Burgar)
Subject: == No Subject ==              
Reply-To: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:26:01 +0000

> He eventually ran into the holster and the 9mm and
> said "Holy Shit. This is a gun!" 

And I thought safe sex had something to do with condoms!


>I like that!  My lawyer is always talking about
>torts and muttering about me going around and
>shooting people.  His official advice, make sure
>that they are DEAD so that they cant sue you...

>>Well I'm too foolish to be scared :-)  So instead, why don't you
>>consider coming down to F-burg VA AUG 8 and 9 for the East Coast
>>MA gathering, we'll even teach you the secret handshake :-)

>Well, I will be on the road those days
>(coming to a city near you!) but thanks
>for the offer!  Actually, I am trying to
>be in Virginia on August 4-6 for the
>Surveillance Expo '92 (Gordon Liddy is the
>keynote speaker) but I am not sure if it
>will work out.  The company that I have started
>doing work for is completely unreasonable,
>making me conform to *their* schedule.  Hmmpf.

Err, maybe a silly question, but what is the profession that
puts you in the position of shooting people so much.?

>What are the laws concerning knives, guns, baseball bats, etc.?
>(I happen to live in southern California, but I'd like to hear about 
just
>about anywhere.)

Here in England carrying a gun will see you locked up pretty quickly,
recently we have had several cases of people being shot dead by
police
marksmen (Only specially autorised police can carry arms here, I have
more info if anyone is interested) for brandishing imitation guns.
All
guns are strictly licenced but there are many that have slipped
through
the net.

Carrying a knife is also illegal but is quite common especially in
the rougher areas. Stanley knives are very popular as they are rarely
lethal but cause horrific injuries.

Baseball bats (and any other form of club) can only be used for a
"legitimate purpose" so you had better be able to show that you are
on your way to play baseball if you are carrying a bat. I do know
of some people who keep several under the seats in their cars incase
they should need them.

A couple of years ago I had a visit from the local police as part of
a home security campaign. I had just been practicing with a pair of
Sai and had put them on the floor next to my bookshelf. The policeman
and woman saw them but didn't pass comment. I hope that was because
the bookshelf is stuffed full of karate books so it was pretty
obvious
that the Sai were for MA practice.


Bill.
From: jonathan@psych.psy.uq.oz.au (Jonathan Dwyer)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: MA as therapy for abuse
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:52:16 GMT
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
Organization: Psychology Department, University of Queensland

I've worked with both groups (people who've been abused and
MA'ers) and I don't think I've ever come across any people who
are in both groups.

Just another data point.....

Jon
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From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: Mail Order Knives
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 24 JUL 92 15:42:24    


dougw@astro.as.arizona.edu (Doug Williams) writes...
> 
>	Does anyone out there in netland know of any reputable mail order
>companies that market knives/daggers.  I have heard about Spyderco (sp?)
>blades, and would like to know where to purchse them and what people think of
>them.
> 

	If you're going to go with mass-marketed knives, Gerber and Randall
are two more manufacturers that produce relatively reliable quality, and
I'd trust their product through a mail order distributor.   They aren't cheap,
but they aren't horrendously overpriced like many lesser quality blades,
either.   I don't know if they carry the fancy butterfly knives and such
if that's what you're after, though.

	If you're going for custom work, I wouldn't personally trust mail 
order, I'd want to examine the work personally first if I didn't know the
maker.  But then I'm superstitious.  :-)

							todd


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From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: Dirty Dozen VS. Seagal
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 30 JUL 92 14:45:03    


>> I'm not sure about that.  Suppose he did work for the CIA.  I'm sure the
>> CIA would deny it.  Suppose he did not.  Then I would really expect them
>> to deny it.  What else would they say if he didn't?
> 
>	I think the best policy is to just deny everything, and on issues where
>you could get burned politically, give a "no comment". That's what I
>would do if I were a CIA type guy.
> 

I'm waiting for Seagal to deny that he's an actor  --  and claim that he's on 
a secret CIA mission posing as a bad character actor.   And that Mr. Reagan 
was on the same hit squad.

That should gain him a lot more credibility in the other things, don't you
think ?
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Subject: RE:Some general questions...
Reply-To: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 18:48:07 GMT

radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner) writes:
In article <1992Jul23.185700.27627@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> guest@jaws1.austin.ibm.com () writes:
>	4) does the practice of shotokan tend to injure joints? Is that why 
>           practitioners of such hard styles seem to retire in their 30's and
>           early fourties?

    .... nooooo... it's because their hands are shaking so hard....

		TAP*TAP*TAP...

-mukund "yeah, well tap *this*" acharya
From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Mail Order Knives
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:33:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbfsb.1992Jul30.153311.23896
Organization: Twilight Zone

In article <1992Jul29.201727.28080@alw.nih.gov> drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:

>Hey, prison holds no terrors for this bad boy.  I spent some of the
>best years of my life in the belly of the local public school
>system.  Making weapons in metal shop, fomenting food riots,
>taking care of snitches, sweet talking the screws.  Been there,
>done that.
>
	You too eh?  World's smaller than I had guessed.

	-Andy V.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: akif@sequent.com (Aki Fleshler)
Subject: Re: Aikido and the jab...
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 19:39:28 GMT

In article <YeQ3Sia00UoJJaM39v@andrew.cmu.edu> Stephen Chan <sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) writes:
>> Hee hee.  I love it.  Real people and real life getting in real tussles.  
>> So much for Aiki non-violence sainthood for the Deshi.  :-)  Ahhhh ... that 
>> story was a refreshing change from the usual paragon-of-virtue tales !
>> Probably got suckered by a wild swing, too.  Bet he carries a gun
>> now, or tear gas or something.  ;-)
>	I wonder if this Aiki-Sainthood thing is characteristic of
>American Aikido, or if the folks in Japan are as starry eyed?

IMO, this phenomenon in the US resulted from the *timing* of aikido's
proliferation in the Land of the Free, Home of the Brave: namely, the 
"Cultural Revolution" of late 60's-early '70s. (PLEASE BELAY THOSE FLAMES!!! 
There are obviously many Americans who have been studying much longer than 
that, on all coasts and in the middle too. ) I'm referring to aikido's 
popularization via Esalen, Naropa, miscellaneous I'm-Uke-You're-Uke programs, 
and as a peer of those programs.  

Can't speak to the Japanese situation from any direct knowledge, except to say
that senior Japanese teachers I've encountered stateside who talk that 
saint-talk definitely came up the hard way...

OK, flame shields engaged. Let 'em rip!
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From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Gatorade vs. Water vs. Anything Else
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:24:38 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: acevedo@mit.edu's message of 29 Jul 92 14:06:06 GMT


In article <ACEVEDO.92Jul29100717@hippocrene.mit.edu> acevedo@mit.edu (Raul Acevedo) writes:

     I've heard some people say that regardless of what Gatorade makes you
   think, water is all you really need after a hard workout.  Anyone know
   if Gatorade is really that good, and why?  

     When I say "Gatorade", I mean actual Gatorade, plus other similar
   products.  Comparison of real Gatorade with other such things is
   welcome... 

The supposed value of Gatorade is for fluid replacement and electrolyte 
replacement (specifically, sodium).  It also gives you some simple carbs
in the form of glucose.  IMHO there are better ways...I don't think that 
sodium in that concentration is what you need for "electrolyte replacement".
I'd rather drink something without so much sodium, with carbs from fruit
juice rather than sucrose/glucose, with some potassium thrown in, and also
with a higher water-to-other-stuff ratio.  My drink of choice is Knudsen's
Recharge, which you can get at some health food stores.  It's got all of the
above.  I don't just drink this stuff straight, but will drink a can of
this and then maybe a quart of water.  

There are other beverages that provide other stuff.  Carbo Force, and I
think maybe the Ultra Fuel/Hydra Fuel products, also provide chromium.
I have heard that chromium is important if you're physically active but
I don't know why.  The Ultra Fuel/Hydra Fuel products are absolutely the
vilest most nasty things you can imagine; if a bottle of that stuff
would make me leap tall buildings at a single bound, I still couldn't
choke it down.

Richard Haas recommends adding a small amount of orange juice (like 1/2
cup or so) and a very small amount of salt to a quart of water, and using
that as a fluid/electrolyte replacement drink.  Don't have exact proportions,
though...books are still packed.

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From: snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: The swarm
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:25:52 GMT
Organization: NAVAL SURFACE WARFARE CENTER

Dakin writes:
>How about discussing techniques used?  So far I've successfully used:

>1.  Redirected Roundhouse:  Dodge an opponent's roundhouse, speeding
    it on with your hand and redirecting it into another opponent
    (kind of like opening a gate).

Now that is truly inspired, I gotta try this!!!!!

Here's one I LOVE, you know the ol boxing trick to get out of a
corner... step into your opponent hook your hand behind their back,
then swing around them.... it kinda exchanges places with them...
they end up in the corner, you outside?  Well you can adjust the
swing and slam one attacker into the other, great for a laugh.

Oh man we got him cornered.... ouch! 
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From: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Subject: Aikido and randori
Reply-To: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:19:16 GMT


how do the tomiki aikido people approach randori? i have heard that 
their randori is a little more jujutsu-ish in nature. any tomiki 
people out there?

-m.a.
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From: izar@falafel.cs.huji.ac.il (The Wandering Kami)
Subject: Re: Who are these guys?
Organization: Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Israel
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:19:15

In article <BrwC0u.D7p@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick) writes:

   (Michael Robinson) writes:
   >
   >           Mestre Beicola

   in these days, but his name is legend.  I imagine a lot of the other
   people are younger masters, but if they are associated with Powell &


If he is a young master or not I don't know, but by his name the guy is 
brazilian and his fun is Capoeira.

--izar


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From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: Question - Hapkido 
Summary: Some thoughts on the hapkido approach
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: 31 JUL 92 13:36:37    


Hapkido is a Korean art entirely distinct from Japanese Aikido, but as Michael
says, there are some technical mechanical similarities, and there is a common 
historical point of reference.   

>It is a Korean art that is sort of a cross between Jujutsu and Tae Kwon Do.

I think that's a pretty good initial characterization, and I'd like to expand 
on it a little bit. 

There are, from what I've seen, some potentially rather important differences 
between the way Hapkidoists throw even basic kicks, for example, and the way 
most TKD styles perform them.  The differences seem to me to relate directly 
back to the intended application, often to augment or create openings for 
infighting.  To bridge the gap between long range and close range fighting.  

If Hapkido was a combination of a *mostly* outfighting specialty (TKD) and a
*mostly* infighting specialty (JJ), it would not neccessarily address bridging 
the two.  Some of the most crucial principles in both Hapkido and Aikido 
address just that, the way in which range is crossed from striking to 
grappling ranges.   From what I've seen, Aikido generally does this with
footwork and timing, and Hapkido usues partly footwork and timing, and partly
leverage and combination attack, more closely resembling the classic
Jujutsu approach.

A similar distinction can be made between karate and boxing, in their
different appraoch to crossing ranges.  Boxing for example raising the 
shoulders and keeping the hands up during punching specifically to guard the 
chin while moving into close punching range, and (some or most) karate moving 
the hands to the hips for the mechanical goals of followup strikes at the
same range, and so on.   'A punch is just a punch,' taken in isolation,
but details of its mechanical delivery can sometimes reflect a wider
strategic concern representative of the approach of the art.

Apologies for obvious generalizations used above to try to help 
illustrate specific points.

						kind regards,

						todd
From: heller@teucer.think.com (Steve Heller)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Bricks used for demo breaking
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:15:52 GMT
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In-reply-to: wei@sashimi.Corp.Sun.COM's message of 23 Jul 1992 17:39:26 GMT


In article <l6trmeINN760@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> wei@sashimi.Corp.Sun.COM (Arthur Kong) writes:
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   From: wei@sashimi.Corp.Sun.COM (Arthur Kong)
   Date: 23 Jul 1992 17:39:26 GMT

   Can someone tell me what kind of bricks is usually used for 
   demo breaking? The size, what kind of material it is made of and where I 
   can get them? Does Home Depot carry them?

   Thanks

I've seen three kinds of bricks used in demos, and I've heard of a fourth
type.

1. A "patio block" (or capping block, I forget which --- one is hollowed,
but I mean the solid one) is 2"x8"x16" cement, sometimes colored.

2. A "red brick" is, I don't know exactly, about 3"x4"x8" --- a standard
building brick.

3. An "adobe brick" is adobe.

4. A "cinder block" is about 8"x8"x16" of cement with two or three holes.

At least the first three should be available at your local lumberyard.

I see the first three broken in demos regularly, and I've seen pictures of
the fourth in use (a head break --- ouch!).  I've broken patio blocks, and
they are equivalent to 3--5 1"x10"x12" common pine boards each, if stacked
with no separation.  Separators, even as small as dimes or quarters,
apparently change the game dramatically, making it more into a chain
reaction.  I've never tried this.

There are a few things you may wish to keep in mind if you intend to try
bricks:

1. Make sure the bricks are dry.  Cement is porous, and bricks left out in
the rain carry water.  It will be tough enough without water.

2. Bricks are much less forgiving than wood.  If you hit a stack of wood
boards but dont break them, they flex and the boards absorb some of the
energy, and, even then it can hurt.  If you fail to break bricks however,
they don't flex, and the energy of the strike deforms your hand or foot (or
nose! :-).  Make sure you are ready for this.

3. The surface of the brick is much harder than wood.  You should try using
the heel of your foot or the heel of your palm until you really know what
it's about.  At that point you'll know to use a padded part.  Stay away
from punching and ball of the foot breaks.  A master in our association
regularly breaks abobe bricks by punching them, and he always puts a bit of
towel on the bricks.

4. Rigid supports like a wall or the floor (as opposed to hand held) are
very important.  The same is true for wood, but each brick counts a lot.

good luck   -steve

(steve heller --- heller@Think.COM)
From: mckellar@cs.UAlberta.CA (Neil McKellar)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Weapons
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:32:35 GMT
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada

jeremy@horus.cem.msu.EDU (Scott Schimmel|xxxxxx) writes:

>A note carry your bokken in your trunk WITH YOUR BELT while traveling in MI!!


>Stallion 
>.

I'll probably sound really foolish even admitting to this, but here goes...

After working for a year in Toronto, I was returning to Edmonton, Alberta.
I had just recently purchased a jo and a bokken.  Being sensitive to the
appearance of my new weapons (they were new, and I was NOT thinking), I
intended to take them with me on the plane rather than have them bashed 
around in baggage.  (If I had stopped to consider the kind of abuse they take
in class, this would not have happened.)

When I go through security, I inform the guard that the bag contains two
wooden articles that I picked up in Toronto.  He was suspicious because, to
be honest, the bag looks like it has a broken down rifle in it.  They pass
it through the scanner and the guy says, "Yeah, it's wood."  But the guard
wants to open it and he can't get the square knot on the bag undone.  
Now I have four guards on my case about why they can't get into my bag.

Finally, one of them speaks up after looking at the scanner again.  "Oh is
that a bokken?"  And tells me to put it through as baggage and come back.

Thank god there was one MA guard there.  (Boy was my face red :).

Neil
From: snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Insurance
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:57:14 GMT
Organization: NAVAL SURFACE WARFARE CENTER

I know this has been asked before, but I'm getting close enough
to write a check to start being nervous.  I want to open a non-commercial
TKD studio.  I have a handle on a fairly nice facility (considering my
budget it is a palace :-).  The owners require that I get insurance, which
seems reasonable.

The best price I have been able to come up with is 1 million liability
for $956/yr.  I would like to do better if I can, because I want to
be non-commercial so that folks that don't have so much money can
participate, but in the end the costs do get passed back to the
consumer.

Also ( and you can bet your bippy that I'm taking this question to
a lawyer, but I'm totally ignorant in this area) I am wondering what
I can do to protect my family from losing everything if something
should go wrong.

For what it is worth, I want to open as a non profit club and
probably under the USTU.

BTW, my wife insta recycles all newspaper like objects and that
includes the USTS newsletter :-(  can anyone send me their paper
mail address?  Thanks.
 
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