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From: v066pwk9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (BRUCE YAEGER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: dallas over bills (You're Wrong too!)
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:26:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan23.062233.39340@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, kjs5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (KRISTIAN JOHN SCHAFER) writes...
>
>The Bills have not been nearly as consistent as the Cowboys this year.
>Quality teams don't have to make 32 point comebacks because they don't find
>themselves in such a mess.
>
I see now, the Cowboys are suddenly a quality team, next year they
will be where the Giants are, and the Redskins are.   They have one
good year, then fall to the bottom the next year.  If Dallas is
a quality team, then why did they have such a problem with Barry
Sanders in the playoffs last year?  Answer: When the Cowboys  have
to play against a team that can run, they have problems.  And when
Dallas goes to three straight Superbowls, independent of which
conference they play in, then you can say their team is quality.
For now all you can say is that the team is a good one.

If Dallas had their number two quarterback in a playoff game,
I don't think they would win, whereas with the BIlls, they have
THE BEST second stringers in the league.   BTW, I don't think
your team could ever come back from a 32 point defecit.  The
Bills have come back from 17 points down, 24 points down.  At
least the Bills never quit in a game.  I think that the Cowboys
are over-rated because they played Philadelphia ( a team that
is like New Orleans, good D, no O) and a San Fran team without
Montana (Young's second playoff game).

> Cowboys: 34
> Bills: 13
> 
> -A dedicated Cowboy fan.

Project Pasadena: Buffalo Bills defeat Dallas Cowboys 35-24

Bruce, a Bills fan
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From: jimarcey@eos.ncsu.edu (JOEL IAN MARCEY)
Subject: Re: Bills 23  Cowboys 20
Originator: jimarcey@c00552-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Keywords: DORSETT
Reply-To: jimarcey@eos.ncsu.edu (JOEL IAN MARCEY)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:10:16 GMT


To Dorsett:

Hey, pal. Everbody thinks that just becasue they have lost two SB's that 
the Bills suck. WRONG. Many teams dream of making the Super Bowl 1/2 that
many times (that is one for you non-math people). It is just one day's play
it could have happened that the Bills would have won the last two if the
game was played on Monday. So stop putting down a team that deserves
respect just as I give respect to Dallas for making it there.


And if there are any grammar errors.....I am a non-English person
From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Issac Holt sucks
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:51:31 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

>    Agreed. I think Ike is physical enough to play at FS or may be SS. I
>    always liked his run support and hard hits but I am not too impressed by
>    his coverage skills. I think this idea is worth trying next year.
>
>    Malik.....  Go Cowboys.....

Sorry to disagree, but I don't think Holt would be a good safety, and JJ
has said as much.  The rumor is that Holt is not disciplined enough to
play the scheme as it is set, and my own personal feeling is that he does
not read offenses well enough.  I would not want Ike as MY last line of
defense in any run or pass situation....

*ice*


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From: nittmo@camelot.bradley.edu (Christopher Taylor)
Subject: Perfect Dolphins Trivia
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:13:48 GMT

The Pittsburgh Steelers were the only team to beat San Francisco in 1984
and the Miami Dolphins the only team to beat the Bears in 1985. 

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From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Parcells to Patriots.
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:00:23 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1jp53jINNkps@bigboote.WPI.EDU> cor@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Cory Shimer)
 writes:

>
>So I've heard. He supposedly starts monday...
>
>But can he really turn this team around?

Yes he can especially if he has the power over player personnel as is widely
believed. Also, LT is a free agent next year so Parcells may take him with to
N.E. as a linebacker coach/impact player type.

>
>How important is coaching?

Giants: 16-3 in 1990 winner of Super Bowl XXV under Parcells
	8-8 in 1991 couldn't even make the playoffs (loss to 3-13 Cincy).

>
>Is good coaching more important than having the best atheletes?

If Parcells can make the guys on defense to play up to their level and
if he can limit the number of turnovers by the offense, they may go 0.500.

>
>An optimist would say that all the Patriots players are at 
>the professional levelm and that if they can just do the best 
>with what they can do altheltically, and have the right mindset,
>then they can play with the best.
>
>a pessimist would say that the talent level on the team is simply
>too low to overcome.

Not true!  They have the talent but they are sloppy (Marv Cook, Pat Harlow,
Leonard Russell, Irvin Fryar in addition to the #1 draft pick).

>
>Which is closer to being right?


satish nair
giants
From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: NYG/Reeves NOT pass oriented coach??
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:34:12 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

Perhaps we Giants fans should give Mr. Reeves a chance...after all,
he's gotta be better than Ray, right?  (actually...anybody heard
whether it's absolutely, definitely, no doubt-about-it, Reeves is the
new head coach??  I'm still having "Ray signed for three more years"
nightmares ;-)).  

Anyway, after posting a few temper tantrums last week, a Denver fan
e-mailed me with some interesting points.  (I lost the e-mail, so this
is my feeble memory) First, Reeves is only perceived as a pass oriented
coach because of Elway, Johnson and Jackson.  While at Denver, Reeves
has actually coached a number of relatively no-name 1,000 rushers:
Sammy Winder, Bobby Humphries & Gaston Green (and a couple others, I
think).  The guy who e-mailed me thought that Reeves would love to be
coaching a solid running team like the Giants.  Can any other Broncos
fans comment on this?

After getting over my initial mild disappointment ;-) with Mr. Young's
recent negotiating (or lack of) for Coughlin and Wannstedt and after
receiving the encouraging report from the guy from Denver, I'm glad to
say that I'm feeling better about the idea of Reeves as NYG head coach.
 IMHO, he is an excellent coach with a marvelous record for
credentials.  If he is indeed not the 'passing oriented coach' all we
Giant fans think he is, he could bring some true excitement to the
Giants offense next year.  Couple this with a simpler defensive scheme
(read: Rod, pack yer bags) and some wise picks in the draft and free
agent acquisitions, Dan could have the Giants back in contention
quicker than we had hoped.  What has me worried is that George "I'm
such a dickhead" Young is probably going to confine Reeves' powers so
much that he'll be ineffectual.  Guess we'll just have to wait and
see...

Mike Colburn                         =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Dartmouth-Hitchcock                  "Pulu-see-ba-goomba" -- Gilligan 
Medical Center                       =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Lebanon, New Hampshire  03756        :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-)
Land of the Giants (goddammit, George...get yer head outta yer butt!!)
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Gaints close to signing Reeves.
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:31:54 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <C19C63.Fn4@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (S. Hariharan ) writes:
>The Gaints are close to signing Dan Reeves.
>Source: Local ABC Sports News.
>
>PS: Satish, do not cry :-) :-)
>
>S.h


ARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

satish nair
go...er, Jets (yeah, that's the ticket!)

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From: douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit)
Subject: Re: WE WILL WIN BILLS
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:50:55 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes) writes:
>Details Monday I think I found the weakest link in Dallas!
>hint   70% of the first downs were made by one running back!
>ok! for the casual fan, stop Emmit the Comet and dallas got SQUAT.

And I suppose, Philly and SF must have missed that fact right.  Easier
said than done.  If you take away Emmit, Novacheck, Irvin, and Harper,
Dallas will definitely get SQUAT.

>Look at the TD and yds per down stats for BOTH teams. Dallas has two
>maybe five players with break away stats! Buffalo has ten maybe eight
> players who fill the go to role!

10 players who fill the go to rule.  Isn't there a limit on the number 
of "tackle eligible" players.  What, is the center going to run a post
route ? :^)  


> See no opinions! Monday I'll post the #'s to back this up!

> Bets  Netters?

I'll bet.  If you can show me ten Bills who had "break away stats" in
"TD and yds per down" in the SB, you win.

				-Ron
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From: tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey)
Subject: Re: Packer Thoughts...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:11:01 GMT

In article <81813@hydra.gatech.EDU> gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael D. Friedman) writes:
>In article <93023.10515432BFPQ3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> 32BFPQ3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU (Nathan Owen) writes:
>>Well the season has been over for some time for us Packer fans, and I've
>>been paying close attention to who is available as free agents who might
>>benefit the Packers.  On offense, there is some players that the Packers
>>could really benefit from having, and no doubt will attempt to get (at
>>least some).
>
>	What about who they could lose? Is Majkowski a free agent. If so
>some team could probably use him. The Patriots, for one. He could probably 
>help a lot there. I'm sure he won't be happy riding the bench behind Favre
>(I still don't know why the Falcons got rid of him)
>

Here's a partial list of Packer free agents
	Don Majkowski
	Burnell Dent
	James Campen
	Tootie Robbins
	Ken Ruettgers
	Chuck Cecil
	Johnny Holland
	Roland Mitchell

Wolf and Holmgren have said they expect Majkowski to leave.  I'm
not sure how much value he will have on the open market, though.

An interesting decision will be who the Packers protect via either
franchise player or right of first refusal.  I would hate to see them
lose Cecil, Holland, or Ruettgers, although I can't see any of them 
being paid in the top 5% of their position.

On a related note, the Packer Plus reported that Brett Favre's agent
expects to begin negotiations on a contract extension this spring.
He stated that Brett would like to sign a long term contract allowing
the Packers to use their franchise exemption on someone else, provided
the contract has clauses allowing Favre to be paid like a franchise
player.

-Todd
From: mrn3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MATTHEW R. NARBY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Unabashed Super Bowl Thought
Date: 23 Jan 93 23:39:38 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1993Jan22.180913.8542@pixel.kodak.com>, fbrown@ssd.kodak.com (Frank
Brown) writes:
>In article <6190@ceylon.gte.com> chf0@harvey.gte.com (Curtis Fennell) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan21.225841.4869@news.stolaf.edu> alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stol
af.edu (Joel D Alvstad) writes:
>>>
>>>QB--Jim Kelly for the Bills returned against Miami and played a good game.  I
>>>didn't notice many mental lapses on his part, even though had had missed the
>>>previous two and a half games.
>>
>>I'm not so sure.  Kelly went 17-24 for 176 yards with 1 TD and 2 INTs.
>>That is not very good for a SuperBowl QB, especially in a playoff game
>>against an arch-rival.  And both interceptions were on poorly thrown
>>balls.  This is despite the fact that Miami's pass rush could only
>>produce one sack on the day.
>>
>>Also, given the field position that Buffalo had, they should have had
>>4 or 5 TD's instead of just two.  Between Miami's inept offense and
>>Buffalo's great defense, Kelly couldn't have been given any better
>>opportunities, and he didn't really capitalize on them.
>>
>>Also, as I watched the game, a lot of Kelly's yardage should be
>>credited to Thurmon Thomas running with the screen pass after catching
>>ball.
>>
>>I know that a lot of Buffalo fans believe that I bash Kelly because I
>>hate the Bills.  I do hate the Bills, but I would *much* rather play the
>>Bills with Kelly as the QB, rather than Frank Reich.  Kelly is much more
>>likely to succumb to the pressure and make mistakes than Reich is. It
>>is, perhaps, the one thing that James Kist and I agree on.
>>
>>Curt
>>
>You are so right in your analysis Curt. Kelly fans will say he was
>rusty but he was playing that way the whole second half of the year.
>Even the people in Buffalo who participated in the call in poll
>picked Reich over Kelly at a 5-1 ratio. Kelly has been superb most
>of his career but right now he just might be the weak link. I just
>hope Marv has the courage to pull him if he is not getting the job
>done. I mean jeez this is the game for all the marbles and you cant
>let the team go down to keep from hurting someones ego. I know you're
>a DOLFAN but you will be pulling for the Bills in this game wont ya?
>
>:^)
>
>Frank
>
The unfortunate thing is that it is in Kelly's contract that he cannot, unless
physically injured, be pulled from a game without his full consent. Talk about
proving that he is NOT a team player!
-- 
-Matthew Narby-
Buffalo BILLS
One Bills Drive
Orchard Park, N.Y.
Colors: Red, Blue and White
Rich Stadium
(80,020) NFL
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From: jxu@black.clarku.edu (The batman)
Subject: Bill Parcells in New England!!!
Organization: Clark University (Worcester, MA)
Date: 23 Jan 93 18:56:05 GMT

This is second day of Bill reign in New England.  I am not talking about
Bill Clinton.  I am talking about Bill Parcells.  After all, Bill Parcells
becoming a Patroits Head coach offer a great deal of hope for Patroits
fans.  First of all, Bill Parcells is an excellent coach.  Second of all,
Boston Globe and other sources indicate that Patroits owners are going to
pay over 1 million per season for Bill Parcells, which translate the owners
have made certain commited to win.  That's very important for a Patroits fan
since  there are lot of talkings about possibly Patroits moving away.  Last
time I heard, Patroits have sold over 1000 season tickets since Bill Parcells
became the head coach for the New England Patroits.
-- 
.............................................................................
                Jian Xu                                 "the Batman"
 Email address  : "jxu@black.clarku.edu"  and "jxu1@vax.clarku.edu"
 telephone #    : (508) 752 - 5190
From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Reeves and the Giants
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:23:54 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1k6fmvINNkuh@im4u.cs.utexas.edu>
richter@cs.utexas.edu (Charles Richter) writes:

> I'm not a Giants fan (I'm one of those evil 49er fans), but I have a
> lot of respect for the Giants' organization and for Dan Reeves.  I
> hope Dan does well in New York, and I hope the Giants are once again
> contenders in the NFC East.

Thanks, Charlie...give 'em a year or two and they'll be back in SF's
face! ;-)  Just hope your guys can keep up their level of play while
the Gia's are rebuilding...;-)

We'll be baaack...
 
Mike Colburn                         =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Dartmouth-Hitchcock                  "Pulu-see-ba-goomba" -- Gilligan 
Medical Center                       =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Lebanon, New Hampshire  03756        :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-)
Land of the Giants (Dan IS the man!)
From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Parcells thumbs nose at Young!
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:55:51 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

As I posted earlier, Bill Parcells is grabbing up all his former
coaches who were still with the Giants this season: Romeo Crennel, Fred
Hoaglin, Johnny Parker, Mike Sweatman and Charlie Weis.  All of these
coaches were with Parcells during most of his years with the Giants and
were glad to jump ship to be with Bill.  Gee, George...does this give
you clue???  It would be poetic justice if all the players who played
for Parcells walked as well...

In fact, an interesting possibility would be if LT and Phil Simms, both
free agents, decided to rejoin their former coach...maybe even as
player-coaches.  Well, apparently Dan Reeves will get to rebuild the
Giants...if not the whole team, at least most of the coaching staff.
;-)  

Mike Colburn                         =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Dartmouth-Hitchcock                  "Pulu-see-ba-goomba" -- Gilligan 
Medical Center                       =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: WE WILL WIN BILLS
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:18:46 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5


i cranked up the old h/p 750 and when the smoke cleared !!

cough spit shit!


the damm Bills filally did it!

Those yankees blew my power supply, oh BTW they won the SB tooooooooo


Details Monday I think I found the weakest link in Dallas!
hint   70% of the first downs were made by one running back!
ok! for the casual fan, stop Emmit the Comet and dallas got SQUAT.

Look at the TD and yds per down stats for BOTH teams. Dallas has two
maybe five players with break away stats! Buffalo has ten maybe eight
 players who fill the go to role!


 See no opinions! Monday I'll post the #'s to back this up!

 Bets  Netters?

I love SB week!  the Characters are the same but the cast keeps changeing'
but the cast remains the same!
From: jscott@micom.com (James Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: dallas over bills (You're Wrong too!)
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:19:36 GMT
Organization: yo-yo dyne propulsion

||> kjs5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (KRISTIAN JOHN SCHAFER)

|>  v066pwk9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (BRUCE YAEGER)

||> Quality teams don't have to make 32 point comebacks because they don't find
||> themselves in such a mess.

|> I see now, the Cowboys are suddenly a quality team, next year they
|> will be where the Giants are, and the Redskins are.

do you REALLY believe that?

|> If Dallas is a quality team, then why did they have such a problem
|> with Barry Sanders in the playoffs last year? 

Answer: because he's the best runner in the nfl.

|> Answer: When the Cowboys  have to play against a team that can run,
|> they have problems. 

well ... i consider KC, SF, Philadelphia, and Detroit to all be *teams
that can run*.  

|> If Dallas had their number two quarterback in a playoff game,
|> I don't think they would win ...

guess you didn't have a tv set last season.  ever heard of steve beurlein? 

|> whereas with the BIlls, they have THE BEST second stringers in the
|> league.

well ... if you're thinking about frank reich ... i'd take saint joe.
if you're thinking about kenneth davis ... just to be a pain in the
ass, i'd take christian okoye.

|> BTW, I don't think your team could ever come back from a 32 point
|> deficit.

well, imho, the bills are much more apt to try this "daring do" again.
btw, its not recommended against a real defense and a team with a ball
control offense.

just my opinions, of course.

james
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:29:48 -0500 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Ninth Annual All-Madden Team Announced
	<1993Jan25.013106.12330@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 25-Jan-93 Re: Ninth Annual
All-Madden.. Ralph Zuniga @loligo.cc. (132)

> Practically all of the names on his list are from the NFC! I only saw a
> couple of names from the AFC (mostly Houston). Sheeshhh....


I said the same thing when I saw it. And what's this about Summerall being
Madden's only kicker--and an honorary one at that!? I figured that after
the Chargers' John Kidd took a knee in the nose from Rod Woodson on a tackle
(Woodson tried to hurdle him, but he would have none of it) and then waved
off the medical staff when they tried to wipe off the blood, that he would
definitely make All-Madden this year!

Oh, well, I guess you can't really blame Madden, since he only votes for
players
that he sees in action, as everybody has already pointed out, which I guess is
only right....

--Vernon.
From: whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Hmmm... (Changing the rules)
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:49:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

Ed Lor,

Shut the fuck up.
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Saturday, 23 Jan 1993 10:51:54 EST
From: Nathan Owen <32BFPQ3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Packer Thoughts...

Well the season has been over for some time for us Packer fans, and I've
been paying close attention to who is available as free agents who might
benefit the Packers.  On offense, there is some players that the Packers
could really benefit from having, and no doubt will attempt to get (at
least some).

Brad Muster (Bears) Muster fits the Packer system perfectly.  He is a
big fullback who can block, run, and most importantly catch.  This is
the most important consideration.  The Packers threw almost 60 passes
to the fullbacks last year.

Ronnie Harmon (Chargers) Again, one of the best pass-catching tailbacks
in a long time, and a very adept runner.  He would fit the Packer system
extremely well, as the Packers threw upwards of 80 passes to the tailbacks.
Harmon is definately leaving San Diego, and I think might jump to be
a feature back in Green Bay where he could be involved in something like
35% of the total offense.

Mike Sherrard (49ers) Here we have a great talent which is going to waste
sitting behing Taylor and Rice at San Fran.  He would start immediatly
in Green Bay and have an opportunity to be a thousand yard reciever in
Green Bay.  He is familiar with the system the Packers run, and the
coaching staff is the same one he had (basically) in San Fran.  I think
both Mike Sherrard and Green Bay are going to make themselves happy with
this deal, and I really expect Green Bay to get him.

Lots of Lineman are needed.  The present line is really old.

I will post what I feel are the defensive possibilites in a later post.

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