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From: scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: Any speakers for SEMiSLUG?
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:43:46 GMT

sensei@dojo.mi.org (the Maniak) writes:

>(and, of course...)

>Any word on the cookie front?

I'm just back in from Canada (nice trip) and sent the meeting notice.
Haven't seen Joni yet, so don't know state of cookies.  The meeting
notice was sent about an hour ago; a copy is appended.

By the by Mike, you volunteered to speak as the Pine Partisan at this
meeting.  Get yer ducks in a row bwah....

======================================================================

SEMiSLUG/Usen*x Meeting: Thursday, November 12, 7:30PM, at the Industrial
Technology Institute.  Directions at the bottom.

The November Meeting:

 o  We'll open with the Question Session and Welcome of New People.

 o  Steve Simmons will give a review of the LISA conference.

 o  For the main event -- Mail Wars!

    After the somewhat heated discussion of mail reading software
    last month, we decided to put the thing on the agenda and go at
    it hammer and tongs.  A good time is threatened for all.  Partisans
    of elm, pine, and mh have been found.  Volunteers are sought for
    xmh and anything else you care to name.  Pseudo-moderation will
    be done by yours truely, the pseudo-moderator (who is also a
    partisan, nyah nyah nyah).  No blow too low, no fact too obscure,
    no feature too obtuse.

 o  Last will be followed by the Answer Session and the usual Rumors
    and Innuendo.


Future Meetings:

Looks like we'll have Sun on new products in December and DEC (tentative)
with an Alpha demo in January.

Topics being worked on include a reprise and expansion of the Iterated
Systems fractal stuff, Hewlett-Packard, transputers, a custom microprocesor
talk and security.

Topics suggestions and contacts are always welcome.

			*       *       *

Directions:

ITI is at the corner of Hubbard and Huron Parkway in Ann Arbor.  From
the Plymouth Road exit of US-23 you go west two lights to Huron, then
turn south.  The first light is Hubbard.  Turn left onto Hubbard.  The
first entrance on your left is the driveway.

Plymouth Road exit is north of the 23/I-94 intersection, and south of
the 23/M-14 intersection.  If you come by I-94, go north on 23.  If you
come by M-14, go south on 23.

Cookies and pop, plus the usual post-meeting at Washington St. Station.

Steve
-- 
scs:  Currently tied for 2536th on the Zwicky list with `zwicky'.  The
      list was compiled by Elizabeth Zwicky (not Fritz, not Arnold),
      zwicky@erg.sri.com.
Newsgroups: mi.sun
From: root@plex-1.ann-arbor.mi.us (Dave Parks)
Subject: Re: Any speakers for SEMiSLUG?
Organization: Plex-1, Michigan's Public Access Usenet Gateway  (Ann Arbor).
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:38:25 GMT

In article <BxHIGG.D7y@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us> meg@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Meg Geddes) writes:
>
>[Yada... Yada... Yada...]
>I think it'll be a little while...
>
>-- 
>Meg Geddes  <No admitted affiliation with anything>    Ann Arbor, MI 
>meg@netmeg.ann-arbor.mi.us

If her cookies are anything like her Pot Roast, we won't get to the "Main
Speaker(s)" that evening.
-- 
destroyer!m-net!kite  Public Access  Altos 68020 UNIX Sys-III (313) 994-6333
vela!plex-1!root       Usenet News   Plexus P/35 68000 UNIX SysV.2  663-6207
vela!plex-2!root       Usenet News   Plexus P/60 68020 UNIX SysV.2  663-6873
  -- You can mail Dave Parks at these addresses, or phone (313) 663-2247 --
From: sensei@dojo.mi.org (the Maniak)
Newsgroups: mi.sun
Subject: Any speakers for SEMiSLUG? 
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 03:37:09 GMT
Organization: CCCP (Cindy Crawford Come-to-me Project)


In article <scs.721338226@wotan.iti.org> scs@iti.org writes:

  > By the by Mike, you volunteered to speak as the Pine Partisan at this
  > meeting.  Get yer ducks in a row bwah....

I did?

Or, in the immortal words of Socrates:  "I drank what?"

I have no problems with being a Pine partisan, as long as other
people understand that I'm a fan of the other tree mailer as well.


                                         ...Sensei

==
 Internet:  sensei@dojo.mi.org
 UUCP:  ...!wsu-cs!dojo!sensei
From: w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Keith Petersen)
Newsgroups: mi.wanted
Subject: Re: Horst Mann list
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:17:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The SIMTEL20 Archives

lllowen@netcom.com (lllowen) writes:
>Anyone know if Horst Mann still publishes his 313 bbs list?  If so, know
>where I could find a copy?

       oak.oakland.edu: /pub/msdos/bbslists/313bbs26.zip
wsmr-simtel20.army.mil: pd1:<msdos.bbslists>313bbs26.zip

See also bloke51b.zip, a program for MS-DOS, whose one line description
is:  BBS Locator, avoids 313BBS.LST zone/toll calls

Keith
--
Keith Petersen
Maintainer of the MS-DOS archive at WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil [192.88.110.20]
Internet: w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil     or      w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu
Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz                         BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND
From: anonymus+2278@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu (Angelica)
Newsgroups: mi.wanted
Subject: Illinois football tickets
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:43:09 GMT
Organization: godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1

2-4 Michigan vs. Illinois tickets needed for Saturday.  Please call
Mark at 482-4368 and leave a message.  Thanks.
From: Bill.Carney@altern8.mi.org (Bill Carney)
Sender: FredMail@altern8.mi.org
Newsgroups: mi.wanted
Subject: Maxed out A2000 System
Date: 08 Nov 92  16:59:44 EST

Commodore Amiga 2000 System
     Upgraded to WorkBench 2.0 and 1 Meg CHIP Ram

GVP Accellerator Board
     33 MHz, 4 Meg 32 Bit RAM, expandable to 8 MB
     Math CoProcessor, Built-in IDE controller, boot ROMS included

Supra RAM board
     2 Meg on board, expandable to 8 Meg

GVP Series II SCSI controller card         
Commodore 1084S Stereo Color Monitor
Applied Engineering external drive
80 Meg Seagate ST296N Hard Drive

To purchase this same system locally RIGHT NOW, it would cost you $2870.
I will sacrifice this system for $1999!  Will also consider parting out
certain peripherals if the price is right.  Will deliver anywhere in lower
Michigan.

Will also consider cash & trades; A600 w/HD, A500 with a GVP HD (*not* a
Supra), large SCSI drives, Pioneer DRM-60x 6 Pack CD-ROM, etc.

Bill Carney,  P.O.Box 605,  Bay City MI 48707-0605
517-686-4416 evenings; please leave a message where I can get back to you
during the day (if possible).
From: anonymus+2278@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu (Angelica)
Newsgroups: mi.wanted
Subject: Illinois football tickets
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:41:25 GMT
Organization: godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1

2-4 Michigan vs. Illinois tickets needed for Saturday.  Please call
Mark at 482-4368 and leave a message.  Thanks.
From: rak@loft (Robert Kiesling)
Newsgroups: mi.wanted
Subject: Wanted: Hard Drive/9600 bps modem -- Cheap
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:35:07 GMT
Organization: Internet Free Michigan

Greetings,

Do you have a IDE or MFM hard drive (at least 100 Mb) or a 9600-bps
modem that is gathering dust?

I've been looking for a hard drive to supplement the disk space on
loft.ann-arbor.mi.us, a decidedly low-budget but growing Usenet site
in A^^2 and a 9600 bps modem, in order to provide public-access net
services to users and among other public-access sites around here.  We
have space now for only a partial news spool, for example, and without
a 9600 bps modem, high-volume feeds are out.  

This doesn't need to be the latest and greatest, but rather reliable
equipment for day-to-day operation.

What I am looking for is:
Hard Drive:
	100-150 Mb (More, of course, if price is reasonable :)
	MFM or IDE 
	Reasonably fast (15-20ms, give or take).
	*Reliable* (24-hr. Operation)
	Prefer 3.5" SH, but 5.25" SH or DH is okay, too.
Modem:
	Nothing fancy:
	Hayes AT-command compatible.
	Reliable
	V42bis, MNP definitely preferred.
	External preferred, Internal is okay.

If you have something like these that you are not using, please
e-mail.  I can pick up if in SE Michigan, delivery from elsewhere
negotiable.  *All* reasonable offers will be considered.

Thanks,
-- Bob
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Kiesling		                    "Durum et durum non faciunt murum."
rak@loft.ann-arbor.mi.us		 	   			-- Anon
vela!plex-1!loft!rak
From: lllowen@netcom.com (lllowen)
Newsgroups: mi.wanted
Subject: Horst Mann list
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:36:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Anyone know if Horst Mann still publishes his 313 bbs list?  If so, know
where I could find a copy?
-- 

Lon Lowen Jr.                        |  Wayne State University
Netcom Online Communications         |  Detroit, Michigan
lllowen@netcom.com                   |  (lllowen@mts.cc.wayne.edu)
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From: mjo@slee01.srl.ford.com (Mike O'Connor)
Newsgroups: mi.wanted
Subject: Re: Horst Mann list
Date: 12 Nov 1992 12:50:22 GMT
Organization: Not an official spokesperson for Ford Motor Co.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: "Mike O'Connor" <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com

In article <1992Nov11.213637.22890@netcom.com> lllowen@netcom.com
(lllowen) writes:

:Anyone know if Horst Mann still publishes his 313 bbs list?  If so, know
:where I could find a copy?

The latest copy I heard of was in March.  The list is available for
anonymous FTP from freebie.engin.umich.edu:/pub/misc/.


						...Mike

--
 Michael J. O'Connor           |  Internet:  mjo@FMSRL7.SRL.FORD.COM
 Ford Motor Company, OPEO      |  UUCP:      ...!{backbone}!fmsrl7!mjo
 20000 Rotunda, Bldg. 1-3001   |  Phone:     +1 (313) 248-1260
 Dearborn, MI  48121           |  Fax:       +1 (313) 323-6277
From: root@plex-1.ann-arbor.mi.us (Dave Parks)
Newsgroups: mi.news
Subject: The Plex Project Feed Update:
Date: 8 Nov 92 21:28:17 GMT
Distribution: mi
Organization: Plex-1, Michigan's Public Access Usenet Gateway  (Ann Arbor).

UPDATE:
	Here is the latest update on The Plex Project's current feed list.
We are now feeding 16 sites around S.E. Michigan and have room for a few
more. Since we have 4 2400 baud lines and 1 14.4Kb line there is still some
bandwidth to play with.

	We have just added Victor Volkman's "HAL9000" and Ric Root's Alternate
Reality BBS out K-Zoo way. Welcome to The Plex Project guys, and University
Microfilms International are currently in the works.

A general note to the public, Plex-1 will be taking on accounts on a first
come first served basis. We of course will be taking those of you interested
in passing feeds on to others -FIRST- (after the 7 or so we'll be given from
destroyer).

===============================================================================
 Note   Site            Location
 ----   ------------    -------------------------------------------------------
 B      mudos           3659 Middleton Dr., Ann Arbor, MI 48105
 B      plex-1          1439 Kirtland Drive, Ann Arbor, MI 48103
 B      iunet           2662 Valley Drive, Ann Arbor, MI 48103

 f	hal9000		5145 Pontic Trail Ann Arbor, MI 48105
 f	umipc		300 N. Zeeb Rd. Ann Arbor, MI. 48106
 f      applga          P. O. Box 986, Ann Arbor, MI. 48106
 f	plex-2		1439 Kirtland Drive, Ann Arbor, MI 48103
 f	loft		118 N. State #2, Ann Arbor MI 48104
 f	claxen		712 Bird Str. Bermingham, MI 48009
 f      arbortext       1000 Victors Way, Ann Arbor, MI 48108
 f      qflag           3715 Green Brier Blvd. #200C, A2, MI 48105
 f	fog		46131 Academy Drive, Plymouth, MI 48170-3519
 f	mousetrap	9282 General Dr. Suite 130, Plymouth, MI 48170
 f      unisys          41100 Plymouth Rd, Plymouth, MI 48170
 f      toadstool	1331 Washtenaw Ave, Apt #1, Ann Arbor, MI 48104
 f      n8mdy		344 Hampton Court, South Lyon, MI 48178
 f	suntec1		2574 Parkway Pl, Hartland, MI 48353
 f      ganglion        1050 Wall Street, Suite 10C, Ann Arbor, Michigan 48105
 f	areality	3137 McDonald Lane, Richland, Michigan 49083

	f = Currently feeding
	B = Being fed via destroyer and acting as part of Usenet/UUCP backbone
===============================================================================
						   _____    _____
						  '  /  )  '  )  )
						  .-/- /    -/--'
						 (_/__/_AVE / ARKS
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vela!plex-2!root       Usenet News   Plexus P/60 68020 UNIX SysV.2  663-6873
  -- You can mail Dave Parks at these addresses, or phone (313) 663-2247 --
Newsgroups: mi.news,mi.sun
From: scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Partners in Training Instructors?
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:33:38 GMT


If you were an instructor at the last Partners In Training session,
please give me a call at 313-769-4086 or 313-426-2086.
-- 
scs:  Currently tied for 2536th on the Zwicky list with `zwicky'.  The
      list was compiled by Elizabeth Zwicky (not Fritz, not Arnold),
      zwicky@erg.sri.com.
Newsgroups: ott.vietnamese
From: qpnguyen@bnr.ca (Phuong Nguyen)
Subject: testing
Keywords: a
Reply-To: 551632%uottawa@acadvm1.uottawa.ca 
Organization: It just myself
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 17:07:49 GMT


Sorry, this is just a test.
Newsgroups: ott.general
From: jstewart@alfred.carleton.ca (John Stewart)
Subject: Creating new ott.* newsgroups (was Freenets)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:55:09 GMT

In <3959@ecicrl.ocunix.on.ca> clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:

>In article <rwm.721244926@atronx.OCUnix.On.Ca> aa302@freenet.carleton.ca writes:
>>  Actually, it's quite easy.  While the 'OTT' groups are not part of the
>>regular hiarchy of newsgroups, Usenet uses a voteing process where 50%+1 need
>>to be on the 'yes' side before a group is added.  Each site has the option to
>>do what they want, but I've yet to see a case personally where even those who
>>voted 'no' will disregard a democratic vote.

>Um, the USENET voting process isn't like that at all.  There must be
>100 more yes votes than no, and the yes votes must be at least 2/3 of
>the total.  Put another way, 2/3 must be yes, and there must be 100 more
>yes than no votes.  Part of the idea is to ensure that there's sufficient
>interest.

>If we were to try to impose USENET style voting rules into ott., we'd
>probably *never* see anything pass, because there has to be at least 100
>respondants.  A process similar to how alt is *supposed* to work is
>probably better.  That is, the idea is discussed in ott.general first,
>and if there seems to be general agreement that it's a good idea, then
>the newgroup message gets sent.  We mainly want to avoid creating
>flash-in-the-pan or very narrow interest groups or things that more
>properly should be carried in the regular USENET.

We don't have a newsgroup proliferation problem in the ott.* hierarchy so 
I think that trying to develop rules to govern the creation of newsgroups
would be a waste of time.  Until we have a problem, I'm willing to trust
people to use good judgement.

I would be in favour of a rule to get rid of inactive newsgroups.  If an
ott.* newsgroup is inactive for say, 2 months, it should be rmgroup'd.

-- 
John Stewart -- Computing and Communications Services, Carleton University
Internet: jstewart@ccs.carleton.ca or Mr.Canoehead@algonquin.carleton.ca  
"The average middle income family with two parents and children pays $2,945
more in Federal taxes than they would have under the tax policies in place
before the Tories first came to power in 1984."
Xref: sparky ott.general:1393 misc.consumers:18852
From: heyendal@Software.Mitel.COM (Carl Heyendal)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: parking space
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:45:55 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.


I am looking for a parking space that is in reasonable walking distance 
to the Ottawa Civic Hospital.

If there is anyone out there that has a parking space available to
rent, or knows of someone who does, would you please get in touch with me.

Thanx

Carl Heyendal    Bus.  592-2122  ext. 2785
                 Home  831-8871
From: rjkoop@sebastian.carleton.ca (rjkoop)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: House for sale (Arnprior near Ottawa).
Date: 9 Nov 92 02:42:47 GMT
Distribution: ott
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada

This is a posting for my parent's-in-law.  If you have any questions
call Heather at the number mentioned below or ask me via E-mail.
Thanks.
 
=======================================================================
For sale, beautiful 2 year old custom built bungalow.  Features :
    1490 sq. ft
    62x100 ft. lot
    Main floor family room
    Fully fenced yard
    Central air
    Central vacuum
    Double car garage
    Quiet street in new subdivision
    All city services
    Gas heated
    19x11 deck at rear
 
Asking $165,900
 
Call Heather Blackburn in Arnprior at :
    1-(613) 623-9678 (residence)
    1-(613) 623-3939 (business)
From: fred@page6.pinetree.org (Fred Ennis)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Re: Recommendations on house appraisers
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 09:40:07 -0500
Organization: Page 6, Ottawa, Ontario +1 613-729-9451

> I figure that I need to have the house professionally assessed before I
> am ready to submit an official appeal on the assessment.  So the
> question is:
> 

Hi Pierre!

Most courts of assessment don't operate on what an appraiser would say on 
behalf of the price of your house.  They operate on comparisons with very 
similar properties in your neighborhood.  If you can show that a neighbor 
has a lower assessment than you, yet has more square footage, more 
bedrooms, or other features that would tend to make the neighbor's house 
more valuable, that's what the court might be interested in.

Thus, you'd probably be better off doing the comparisons by searching the 
assessment rolls rather than spending money on an appraiser.

One word of caution, though.  It is very rare for a homeowner to win at a 
court of assessment.  They sit and listen politely to make people feel 
better, and then they turn down the appeal.  

I had a lawyer friend of mine tell me that he actually won an appeal 
once, and the assessor came up to him afterwards and said "Ive been an 
assessor for ten years, and this is the first time I've lost an appeal."

Cheers!

Fred

--
Fred Ennis, fred@page6.pinetree.org
From: chaulk@Software.Mitel.COM (Michelle Chaulk)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Christmas Bazaar
Date: 4 Nov 92 23:59:22 GMT
Distribution: ott
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.


               CHRISTMAS BAZAAR
                     on
     Saturday November 7/92 from 10am-4pm
                     at
		Robertson House
                1 Mill Hill Road
                Bells Corners

     Proceeds to Childrens Wish Foundation 
Newsgroups: ott.general,ott.events
From: karam@sce.carleton.ca (Gerald Karam)
Subject: TONIGHT: Seminar on Graduate Studies in Syst & Comp. Eng., Carleton U
Summary: Announcement of Information Seminar on Graduate Programs
Keywords: information, master's, phd, carleton univ., engineering
Organization: Carleton University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:44:34 GMT

are you interested in a post graduate degree? just want to upgrade your
skills? read on!

Title:      Information Session on Graduate Studies
            in the Dept. of Systems and Computer Engineering,
            Carleton University

Speaker:    Professor Gerald Karam
            Associate Chair for Graduate Studies
            Dept. of Systems and Computer Engineering

Location:   Room 3275 C.J. MacKenzie (Engineering) Building
            Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
            Thursday, November 12, 1992, 19:00-20:30 hrs

Summary:    A one-hour presentation followed by a one half-hour
            opportunity for questions/discussion will cover
            all aspects of the M.Eng, Ph.D., and M.Sc. programs
            within our department. Included will be topics such
            as: admission procedures, full/part-time studies,
            funding, courses, main research areas in the 
            department, and research facilities.

            Some literature will be available at the meeting.


For more information contact:

      Professor Gerald Karam: email: karam@sce.carleton.ca
                              ph: (613) 788-5749
                              fax: (613) 788-5727







--
Gerald Karam           | Even Bart Simpson is a Blue Jay fan. 
karam@sce.carleton.ca  | Gerald's Great Canadian Referendum Question:
Fax: +1 613 788 5727   | Who should be Canada's next Prime Minister?
Ph:  +1 613 788 5749   |  _                     _
From: trevor@Software.Mitel.COM (Trevor Davis)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Sale: Amiga 500
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:32:23 GMT
Distribution: ott
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.


  Amiga 500, 1MB RAM, 1084S stereo color monitor, printer, 2nd floppy drive,
200+ disks, joysticks $750 or best offer.
From: inunn@hpb.hwc.ca
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Re: Recommendation needed for auto body shop 
Date: 9 Nov 92 10:46:58 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Health and Welfare, Canada

I had insurance work done at Booth Street also.  No problems.  I also 
had work done at Lusitania on Richmond Road and would certainly go
back there.
From: rwm@atronx.OCUnix.On.Ca (Russell McOrmond)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Re: Freenets
Date: 8 Nov 92 16:48:46 GMT
Reply-To: aa302@freenet.carleton.ca


  There was a small thread started on a local 'Fidonet' conference about
Freenet.  A method to get information back and forth between freenet and
the 'telecom enthusiasts' has been suggested, and I posted the following
message in response.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

In a message of Fr 06-Nov-92 23:31, Tony Smyth (1:243/20.0) wrote:

 TS> thing. But the process of having it accepted as part of the
 TS> hierarcy is, I believe, somewhat complex. but I will persue
 TS> that.

  Actually, it's quite easy.  While the 'OTT' groups are not part of the
regular hiarchy of newsgroups, Usenet uses a voteing process where 50%+1 need
to be on the 'yes' side before a group is added.  Each site has the option to
do what they want, but I've yet to see a case personally where even those who
voted 'no' will disregard a democratic vote.

  I think a vote would be very usefull in the OTT hiarchy to solve the problem
of bogus newsgroups such as ott.vietnamese and ott.forsale that were just
rudely added without any sort of vote.   Having a vote for these two as well as
an 'ott.freenet' would be very usefull.

 TS> Secondly, the gateing process isn't that easy, I am working on
 TS> it on my system as I run Waffle under Maximus I am experimenting
 TS> with gateing NCF to UUCP style messages.

  It's real easy when you're writing your own software to do it.  The bonus
would be that sources would be available to Carleton if they decided that they
wished to do the gateing themselves.  This type of thing could be set up if
they so desired, or the responsibility could be left on the 'fidonet' community
to always provide any groups to the Freenet in RFC-822 form.

 TS> Thirdly, Carleton U. which supplies the newsfeed to Freenet and
 TS> where the Freenet is currently housed will not feed news to UUCP
 TS> systems.

  There are existing official connections.  The statement that I have
understood is that no NEW connections will be added, and definetely not any
connections  that would require any maintenance on the part of Carleton (IE:
Time, something that they don't have enough of as it is).  If a group was sent
into the  'ott' hiarchy, it would definetely reach NCF with no problems.


 TS> Freenet know that the ncf hierarchy has been relatively quiet of
 TS> late. I'm not absolutely sure why but I, for one have beeing

  I wish I knew why as well - There have been a number of questions I've posted
that would be interesting to see further comments on.

--
 Russell McOrmond, Ottawa Ontario, Canada    | Opinions expressed
 Freenet: aa302@freenet.carleton.ca (Faster) | in this message are
 Home: rwm@Atronx.OCUnix.On.Ca               | my own and I 
 FidoNet 1:163/109        Current WELMAT     | represent nobody
 Welmat Help 1:1/139    'keeper of sources'. | else.
Newsgroups: ott.general