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From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
Subject: Re: corporate slime 
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: alt.peeves
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:20:26 GMT

<In article <LARRY.92Sep29080653@peak.psl.nmsu.edu> larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way) writes:

<Last night the PBS teevee showed "Roger and Me", once again reminding me
 
	Peeve. Professionally made agitprop films run as
	"documentaries". If "Roger & Me" is a documentary,
	so is "Triumph of the Will".....


<about the corporate zeroes who seem to be running this country. In

 
	Peeve: folks who are convinced that "someone is running
	this country". 

	MegaPeeve: the fact that bureaucrats on autopilot
	are really "running" the country.

	Peeve: Larry will probably next post about the Gnomes
	of Zurich or the Illuminati....

Newsgroups: alt.peeves,alt.tasteless
From: johnw@bluemoon.rn.com (John L. Wilkerson Jr.)
Subject: Re: Woe is Me
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 10:00:04 EDT

v222p9ns@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (A PFC, AND DAMNED PROUD TO BE) writes:

> Obtasteless: guy I was with last Monday night threw up chicken wings after 
> consuming LARGE quantities of alcohol. Threw them up whole. One chunk came ou
> his nose. Swear to god. Threw up all over his hands, then wiped them off with
> snotrag, which he then proceeded to blow his nose into. Ech.
> 
 
    Or... a work experience.    I clean floors at a grocery store.
 
     Guy walks down an aisle, blows this greasy vomit, consisting of 
greasy slime and cube-shaped chunks of meat, approx 1.5 Cubic cm.
 
     He does not stop while doing this, but walks on, spewing forth for 
approximately 30 feet.
 
     He sees me and continues on like nothing happened.    Made my week 
for sure.
 

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From: mzraly@ra.cs.umb.edu (The Generic Poster Strikes Again)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Rewriting History
Date: 2 Oct 92 05:05:17 GMT
Organization: UMass/Boston Dept. of Math & CS

zursch@whizkid.wpd.sgi.com (Jeffrey B. Zurschmeide) writes:
>Ian G Batten writes:
>
>>I never quite understood what the Government of the time of the
>>Mayflower was doing persecuting Puritans.  They had their hands full
>>persecuting Catholics.
>
>They weren't being persecuted, really. They, like all fundies, objected to 
>anyone else having a different view of things than they did. [...]
>
>But there were already people around down there. (And a lot of them
>Catholics, who left for essentially the same reasons, only they were
>*really* being persecuted...)  So the wise Pilgrim fathers said "What
>the hell, it's the new world and there's lotsa space, and besides,
>what's he gonna do about it?" and set course for New England, figuring
>(correctly) that no one else, not the Dutch, not the English, nor any
>sane person would ever contest them for that godforsaken frozen
>rockpile we now call the states of Massachusetts, New Hampshire,
>Vermont, and Maine.
>
>So they went there and set up a society founded everything *except*
>religious tolerance and freedom of worship. It was a 17th century
>Rajneeshi town. They burned their old women and tortured the indians
>and generally behaved like a bunch of televangelists when no one is
>watching......and believed that God in his heaven rejoiced at it.
>
>Yeah right.

As a resident of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and a former resident
of New Hampshire:

!peeve:	you got the history right

!peeve:	the public school system here has begun getting the history right

peeve:	Some people here as just as proud of being descended from a bunch of
	superstitious sadistic nincompoops as they were of being descended
	from the nonexistent gracious and tolerant settlers of the old history
	books.  Now I'm getting as tired as anyone else of people telling me
	I should apologize for the sins of my fathers, so I don't really
	care whether or not anyone's great-great-grandpappy ate children
	for breakfast, but I fail to understand how someone can boast,
	"my ancestors ate yours for dinner" or the equivalent, and expect
	some measure of respect for it.

peeve:	People who try to take credit for their ancestors' actions.

-- 
Mike Zraly		If you give me six lines written by the most honest
mzraly@cs.umb.edu	man, I will find something in them to hang him.
				-- Cardinal Richilieu
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From: jennyg@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Jenny Gutbezahl)
Subject: Re: *Virtual* Reality
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 16:44:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.210512.28163@cs.yale.edu> yarvin@cs.yale.edu (Norman Yarvin) writes:
>henken@ocf.berkeley.edu (Matthew J. Henken) writes:
>
>> Frege was a philosopher and at the same time
>>developed first order predicate calculus and FOPC was useful
>
>Finally you have given me an actual example.  Let me point out first that it
>is your choice of example, and that you had the whole of philosophy to
>choose from.
>
>And your example is extremely weak at best.  Frege merely gave names and
>symbols to certain types of statements which were already extremely well
>known in mathematics.  Now, notation can be quite useful. 

OK, then how about Newton, Leibniz, Descartes, Russell...

There's a lot of interplay between math & philosophy becaue (and I bet 
Henken's gonna get on my case for this) philosophy is a way of interpreting
the world around us.  We all have personal philosophies - even you, Norman.
All the mathematical laws don't add up to anything unless you have some type
of framework of reality in which to use them.

Newton & Leibniz each came up with their respective calculi because they
each wanted to prove that their own way of viewing reality was the correct
one and they were able to use their mathematicl knowledge to this end.  If
neither of them had been philosophers, then we probably wouldn't have calculus.
Or ist this another weak example?

All right then, how about non-Euclidean geometry.  Someone had to take the 
philosophical step of reassessing what a point is in order to make new
sense of the math that Euclid had left us.

The limitation of math is that it cannot step out of itself and reassess 
what it does.  And you can mention recursion & self-reference, but even
the Godelian parados is not a case of math stepping out of itself, it's
simply a case of math pointing to itself, which is very different from 
referring itself to the "real" world.

The limitation of philosophy is that it's TOO self-referential.  You can't
ever PROVE anything in logic because you end up with too much circularity.

Logic takes the rigor of mathematics & combines it with the broad theoretical
overview of philosophy.  This is what makes it so powerful.

Note to Matt - no I didn't insult anyone's mother in this - but I figure
you and Yarvin'll be able to come up with some pretty vicious rebuttals
to any & all of my arguments.  I'm a -waitin' for ya....

Jenny

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From: jen187@mis.csiro.au (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812)
Subject: Re: Cardboard, cardboard, everywhere!
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 22:13:42 GMT

In article <ld0p7dINNfl9@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:

>
>If you choose not to renew, of course, they pester you endlessly with
>repeated mailings.  Sort of like a postal version of a KQED pledge drive.
>

Some time ago I received the first issue of "an exciting, new magazine",
which the people who produced the thing were absolutely certain would
be of inestimable value to me, as well as being extremely interesting
and relevant to my lifestyle. (It did make me wonder how they knew so
much about my lifestyle.)

They also told me that this was the only free issue I would get and that
if I didn't want to miss out on the next, even more exciting issue I'd
better send them a large amount of money right away. After looking
through this exciting addition to my life I decided it was a worthless
piece of crud and threw it in the bin. Two weeks later I got the next
issue which also told me that this would be the very last one unless I
paid up RIGHT NOW and that they were doing me a *HUGE* favour by sending
it to me as I'd obviously forgotten to send the money. I threw this one
in the bin without reading it. Two weeks later ....

This went on for TWELVE MONTHS!!  Is this some kind of record?

Peeve: Scumbags who who compile, keep and sell mailing lists.



-- 

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|  CSIRO                   |  (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial | 
|  Canberra,  AUSTRALIA    |  Research Organisation)                |
From: sac@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Skinhead O'Conner's Staement-The real message.
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:38:28 GMT


In article <1992Oct5.134746.8281@umbc3.umbc.edu>, potler@umbc4.umbc.edu (Laura Potler (GSFC)) writes:

>> peeve: skinhead o'connor. where i agree with some of her ideas, her methods
>> 	are a bit extreme.

A Bit?! She make Abbey Hoffman  seem as conservative as Bill Buckley.

> This reminds me. My aunt told me that Skinhead was on Saturday Night Live 
> a while back, and was singing with a lot of Jewish religious things around her
> (I don't know what sort of things she had as props, since I don't know anyone 
> who is Jewish... not counting a couple of net-people). Anyway, at the end of 
> the song she holds up a picture of the Pope, which she rips to shreds, and says
> "Let's fight the real enemy." Does anyone know what the HELL she was talking 
> about?

I'll posit that she meant what I have felt for years; that religion is one of
the deepest roots for division, hatred and myopic isolation around. She just
chose, as any capable speaker would, the most readily identifyable (sp?) and 
sybolic figurehead of religion to the American public.

She simply stated something that needed to be said. (sans the melodrama).

I'll extend myself further an say that she is lightyears ahead, with respect
to social conscience,than the rest of us. I daresay that religion will be as
laughable and antiquated to our decendants as alchemy and magic are to us.

Apologies to those who have been holding their collective breath in
anticipation for the long awaited return of SAC (me) and had to hear my same 
sad commentary on organized religion. 


(Tongue-in cheek for those of you who don't hold a Ph.D. in Common sense).


obpeeve: New tires, old credit card.

Scott A. Chasse
U of Fl.-Ft. Lauderdale Research Station

"Imagine there's no countries,
It isn't hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
And no religion too..."
	John Lennon
	
From: reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:07:51 GMT
Subject: Re: McDonald's and the IRA (Re: Big mac's and students)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.peeves

     Ulster! Ulster! 
     Ra! Ra!
     Siskoom...

         BRAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!
From: logan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Logan Shaw)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: more flashers
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:02:17 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Sep24.171841.20328@cbfsb.cb.att.com> bdr@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (brian.d.reed) writes:
>In article <19ss0qINNcs7@smaug.West.Sun.COM> dab@ism.isc.com (Dave Butterfield) writes:
>
>>Peeve:  If you're stopped on the right leg of a T intersection
>>and you want to go straight through, it's not legal to do it on
>>the red light, even though it's topologically the same as the
>>case of a right turn on red.
>
>Some time back they were working on a law to allow this.  It was
>dropped after it became to confusing--which side of the T you
>were on came to be to much to handle, I suppose.

Austin, Texas, with it's typically odd approach to traffic control,
has two such intersections.  The street that's a vertical part of the
'T' get across half the traffic with a light, and then has entrance/exit
style ramps to get on/off the other half of the street.  It works
pretty well, except if you don't notice the left exit lane and accidently
turn left (not an uncommon occurence.)  Of course, you can just wait at
the light and go straight instead of turning.

Other Austin traffic oddities include:  A building built *above* a street
downtown, a 'U-turn signal' on a road with street lights and a speed limit
of 55 mph, one-way alleys, several streets that shift over along other
streets - as if along fault lines, a freeway with a working railroad in the
median (so you can race the train?), and only *one* freeway that runs
east-west, and that's 5 miles north of town!

Adios,
  Logan
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From: alex@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Alexander Vrchoticky)
Subject: Re: Satanic Death Toddlers From Hell
Organization: Technical University Vienna, Dept. for Realtime Systems, AUSTRIA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:22:16 GMT

Not_Al_Crawford@ed.ac.uk (Not Al Crawford) writes:

> And why is it that the more you ignore some goggle-eyed brat, 
> the more they stare at you?

because they love to see you squirm. next question, please. 

of course, the correct course of action is to stare back at them, swallow
dry, lick your lips and begin to salivate visibly while muttering
something to the effect that you won't need meat tenderizer on that
young a piece of prey. extra points are awarded for a thick german accent.

-alex

-- 
Alexander Vrchoticky             alex@vmars.tuwien.ac.at
TU Vienna, CS/Real-Time Systems  +43/1/58801-8168
From: esp51@cas.org
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: School is Back in Session ( Was Re: Rewriting History
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:31:37 GMT
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio

Wow, another brilliant flame by Jenny:

>When you have no idea what the person you are flaming looks like.
>You made the same mistake with me, when you called me blond, pimply
>and pre-pubescent.  If you found my post offensive, surely you could
>have found something within it to flame, rather than showing your
>ignorance by making incorrect, missppelled assumptions about my
>sexual preference.
>
>I'm impressed with your correct spelling of bourgeois. I'd be
>more impressed with your use of the word if it had any bearing on
>Elaine's post.
>
What can I say, I stand humbled and corrected.  I made joking assumptions
about class status (an American taboo) and poked fun about the
physical apperance of females (a universal taboo).  No doubt you are
both beautiful intelligent women.  I shall immediately commit
supuku (sp again) and die honorless and alone in my little cubicle
here at work.

Peeve:  Ever since I started thinking of eggs at unborn chickens, I've lost
my desire to eat 'em for breakfast.  Since I saw a documentary on
how the Tiawan fisherman rape the ocean with their gill nets, I've lost
my appetite for fish.  I've also recently smashed my television
because of the mindless commercials.  I'm becoming a born again
policically correct hippy.  Somebody mail me some testosterone(sp?) quick.
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: harris@ironic.nlm.nih.gov (Nomi Harris)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Assorted peeves (collect 'em, trade 'em with your friends)
Keywords: Waking up, officemates, detours, bike locks
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:11:31 GMT
Organization: National Library of Medicine

Some things that have annoyed me lately:

1. It's hard enough for me to get up in the morning when it's
light.  Getting up before dawn is nearly impossible.  The standard
argument that goes through my sleep-fogged brain as I hit the snooze
button Just One More Time is "If I get up now, I'll be so tired I'll
be useless all day, but if I sleep for just nine more minutes, I'll
be fine."  This morning, I concocted some dream about how I'd joined
a new religion that forbade me to get up before dawn.

2. (Geoff should sympathize with me on this one.)  All three of my
officemates live with their fiancees.  Why, then, is it necessary
for two out of the three to talk to their fiancees on the office
phone roughly every 45 minutes?  Why, when these women phone, do
they ask to speak to their beaux in such smarmy voices?

3. I hate when a sign announces, "Follow signs for detour," and you
follow the first detour sign, but never see another one, and end up
utterly lost.

4. The bike cage here has these contraptions to which you are
supposed to lock your bike.  Every morning I struggle mightily to
lock my women's-frame mountain bike with my extra-thick Kryptonite
lock (can we start BikeLockSizeWars?) through the little hole in
the stand thingy.  About half the time I eventually succeed, though
I usually end up coated with bike grease.  This morning, I gave up,
and locked my bike ineffectually to itself.  I just noticed that my
hand is bleeding from the struggle.

	Nomi (Blood type B+, in case anyone wants to send
		donations. :-)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf)
Subject: Re: Those damn MENTOS commercials!
Organization: /home/ludviga/cindy/.organization
	<1992Sep25.004843.17902@javelin.sim.es.com>
	<1992Sep25.065223.4811@nmt.edu> <1992Sep26.041317.2278@umbc3.umbc.edu>
Date: 26 Sep 92 14:27:54

Laura Potler writes:
>speaking of ads of questionable taste... how come we see so many ads
for
>feminine hygiene products yet what about masculine hygiene products,
hm??
>surely men are in need of similarly mysterious products.

The bit i don't understand is why they never admit what the damn
things are for.  I mean, if we can have commercials showing a little
cartoon penis putting a condom on itself, we're certainly ready for
a commercial that contains the word "menstruation", aren't we?

Maybe they're just afraid they'll have to admit the major difference
between brands is the color of the box.

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway


Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: esp51@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Commercials-on-the-brain
Keywords: plop plop fizz fizz
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:24:44 GMT


During a previous discussion of shooting small furry
woodland creatures with high powered rifles, I was wondering:
what actually happens to a rabbit if shot with a 30.06 say from
within 50 yards?  Is the Wabbit Waporized?  Also: what about larger
animals- say a cow or deer?  What would be the affect of a
head shot from 25 yards with a hollow point from a 30.06?  Also
again: is there a rifle with a higher velocity (not bullet mass)
than a 30.06?

Peeve:  I've only shot 22s and shotguns.

Scott

I am not spokesman for my company.
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: hillman@carina.unm.edu (Dan Hillman)
Subject: Alarm Surprize! (was Big mac's and students)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 18:45:10 GMT
Organization: K-Tell Hell 

In article <1992Oct5.134746.8281@umbc3.umbc.edu> potler@umbc4.umbc.edu (Laura Potler (GSFC)) writes:
>
>unrelatedpeeve: setting your alarm at night and waking up the next morning
>	to discover that the station you've set to has completely different
>	programming in the morning.

RelatedPeeve: Without fail, that waking-up song will go through your
        head until lunch, sometimes longer. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhgh!!!

K-Tell's Theorem: The length of time a song will remain lodged in one's
        head is in direct proportion to its undesirability.
     
 
(Dare I say it? What the hell...)

d "that's the way, uh huh uh huh, i like it" h 
-- 
We've replaced the fine baby Jesus we normally use with Folgers crystals.
Let's see if they notice the difference.
From: geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Outta my way, dammit!
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:28:53 GMT
Followup-To: alt.peeves
Organization: Battledore and Shuttlecock, Ltd., Naughty Undergarments
NNTP-Posting-Host: purplehaze.corp.sun.com



In article <1992Sep30.080548.175@cs.umb.edu> mzraly@ra.cs.umb.edu 
(Michael S. Zraly) writes:

>Third Scenario: The BDI


Met one myself yesterday evening, as a friend and I were on our way to
our local for some Anchor Steam.  

The most convenient route between my apartment and the road leading to 
the freeway is through the parking lot of a nearby supermarket.  The
curb along the small plaza between the market and the adjacent shops is
a clearly marked no-parking zone.  Not only is it a fire lane, but any
vehicles parked there would impede the traffic flow through the parking
lot.  

As my friend and I made our attempt to navigate through this mass of 
wandering automobiles, we encountered an obstruction.  Three cars were
stuck in a face-off in which none could proceed.  No, not caused by a 
hockey game between lepers, but the result of some idiot parked against 
the red curb, waiting for another person to come out of the market.  The
car was an old Pontaic Grand Prix driven by a working-class individual 
of the socioeconomic level known to favor white tank-top undershirts as
outer attire, of which he was wearing one.  My friend, who was driving, 
stared at the guy as we edged gingerly past, who sat in his car glaring 
obstinately at the barely- passing traffic, then yelled, "Why don't you
getcher butt outta there?!"  

By way of a scathing retort, the idiot leaned on his horn.



Geoff


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