From: milliken@athena.cs.uga.edu (Brewmeister)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.bizarre,alt.fan.dan-quayle,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Fathers, abortion
Date: 8 Oct 92 03:53:25 GMT
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Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Oct8.003639.19520@athena.cs.uga.edu> milliken@athena.cs.uga.edu (Brewmeister) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.014947.5386@midway.uchicago.edu> wag5@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>Part of the  genetic coding from an infant comes from the father.
>
>	Yeah, so?
>
>>The federal government would prevent the father from having any say
>>in whether or not HIS offspring, equally as much as the woman's is to die,
>
>	Well, I don't know about that.  All the man has to do is have sex.
>	The woman has to have sex, plus carry the child to term, and endure
>	massive bodily changes, and 9 months of fatigue and bloating, with
>	some nausea thrown in for good measure.  So the say so should go to
>	the woman, since it is HER BODY that is being affected.
>
>>instead giving complete say to the woman.  That is, a man can do nothing
>>for his child. It is all in the hands of the woman to kill the child.
>
>	What?  In the first place, the woman is preventing the child, not
>	killing it.  In the second place, it is an issue that should be
>	decided between a woman and her doctor, and not in the legislature.
>
>>He can do nothing to protect it.  It seems the man is the one being
>>prevented from chosing the destiny of his offspring by law.  The Republicones
>								  ^^^^^^^^^^^^?
>>would simply not have the feds interfere whatsoever in the matter of abortion.
>>But the Demos would give complete power to the woman. I would call that
>>a female oriented party, much as it was once a white oriented party.
>
>	Well, what's wrong with that?  I'll not debate the history of the
>	Democratic and / or Republican parties, but I will say that the
>	issue of a woman's reproductive freedom is the business of the woman
>	and anyone she chooses to involve, such as her doctor, her husband,
>	her lover, or whoever.  It is not the place of the Federal, State,
>	or local governments to legislate a woman's reproductive affairs.
>
>	If you insist on debating it in terms of rights, then think of it
>	this way: the woman is an existing human being.  A fertilized ovum /
>	zygote / fetus is a potential human being.  Removing it from her body
>	before it develops into a human being is not murder.
>
>	I do not mean to belittle abortion here.  I don't think anyone is
>	pro-abortion; however, millions of intelligent people, both men and
>	women, are pro-choice, including myself. (White male, if it matters)
>	If abortion is not the right choice for you, then don't have one.  
>	But don't try to force your moral convictions on others.


	I don't normally follow up my own posts, but when I received the
	following tidbit in my mailbox, I felt compelled to share it with
	the net community.




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From: ata@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Don Dodson)
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To: milliken@athena.cs.uga.edu
Subject: Re: Fathers, abortion
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In article <1992Oct8.003639.19520@athena.cs.uga.edu> you write:
>	If abortion is not the right choice for you, then don't have one.  
>	But don't try to force your moral convictions on others.

DON> What is your address?  I'd like to come over and take everything you
DON> own.  Its my choice after all.  If theft is not the right choice for
DON> you, then don't steal.  But don't try to force your moral convictions
DON> on others.

DON> Don

	Okay, somebody fill me in.  How does somebody who takes something
	this far out of context, and then applies a totally pathetic attempt
	at logic in an effort to refute a position with which he disagrees,
	get into Purdue University?  Huh?  Huh?  Tell me. 

	Don, look.  The subject of whether or not a woman has control over 
	her own body has absolutly nothing, nata, zilch, read-my-lips
	NOTHING to do with stealing.  Comprende?  You have a great opportunity
	before you.  You are attending one of the better universities in the
	country.  Do yourself a favor, and take some sociology, and some 
	political science, and please, take some courses in logic.  Whatever
	you do though, you need to take a sociology of women's issues class.
	It would make you a much more sensitive and understanding human being
	than you are now.  

	    
  
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