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From: kim@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Ellis Kim)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bungee
Subject: Re: Why?
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:40:42 GMT
Organization: US Naval Research Laboratory, Acoustics Division

In article <1992Sep9.175000.29975@selway.umt.edu> sh666@selway.umt.edu (Wolverine) writes:
>This is not intended as a flame to bungeeheads.  I want to know why
>anyone would want to go bungee jumping when they can go skydiving
>for MUCH cheaper.  Your average bungee jump these days runs anywhere
>from $50-$120!  For the same amount of money I can make anywhere from
>4 - 9 jumps from around 12500', each jump being the equivalent of
>about 1 to 1 1/2 minutes of freefall.  Not to mention the canopy ride
>down.  I was just wondering where bungee places get off charging so
>much?


okay: here is why i personally haven't gone skydiving yet: 
the initial cost is TOO expensive.  your quoted cost is for someone that has 
already spent hundreds getting their license. 
in my area (Washington DC) it costs typically about $120 for your first 
jump. and then you have to do some stupid static line jumps, i.e. no
freefall whatsoever.  

i really don't know if you can compare skydiving and bungeejumping 
anyway that closely anyway.  
bungee jumping is a one time thing.  well, i guess there are some people
who do it more often, but it gets old pretty fast (and is too expensive
if you do it on a regular basis, as you correctly assumed)
if you look at the "sport" as a one-time-experience thing, then bungee
jumping is more economical, plus you get the rebound (which you kind of
avoid in skydiving). 

i agree that bungee places charge too much, but if people are willing to 
pay that, heck, wouldn't you?

anyway, i have enjoyed my bungee jumping and am also looking forward to 
the time i will have enough funds to get my skydiving license...

-- ellis


-- 

-- Ellis   kim@v5160.nrl.navy.mil
   "First things first. But not necessarily in that order." - Dr. Who
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bungee
Subject: Re: Why? again :-)
From: mertes@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:01:05 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University
Summary: technical difficulties?




  Your professional association explains why you are trying to get
people to change sports, I'm not sure if the technical inaccuracies are
due to saying things quickly, deliberate misrepresentation, or vast
incompetence. I'll assume you glossed over things in a casual post for
now.

*excuse me*
HUH!?
I do not know about anyone else, but I use the term freefall to 
explain the feeling of jumping out of a plane, and the falling 
sensation before deploying ones canopy.  I do not see any 
innacuracies what so ever!  Air resistance to my body, well hell I am 
still free falling! I am falling freely to the ground! :-)

Freefall: A skydive in which the parachute is activated manually by 
the jumper at his or her discretion. The portion of the jump *between 
exit and canopy deployment*. :-):-)
Well now! That is pretty close to what I thought a freefall was!!!!!!

Terminal Velocity: The equilibrium speed at which a body falls 
through the air (14.7 psi) when resistance to the air (your size) 
equals the pull of gravity (your weight) to establish the approxomate 
figure of 110mph. (in a flat stable position); reached after the 9th 
second of freefall.
	(source--Parachuting The Skydivers Handbook, 5th edition)


In reference to the sports being different, well no shit! They are 
very different sensations, but I think when ones speaks of costs and expandabilitiy
skydiving is the better sensation. Go bungee jump try it, have a good 
time and go skydive they both have things to offer, I just think 
skydiving happens to be more exciting and has more options for the money!
I recommend both sports at least once! One has to try it to see which 
is better, only then can they speak with experience.

later
From: drp40@cd.amdahl.com (Douglas R Puchalski)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bungee
Subject: Re: Why?
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:13:42 GMT
Reply-To: drp40@cd.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale, CA

In article <1992Sep11.150510.9522@selway.umt.edu>, sh666@selway.umt.edu (Wolverine) writes:
>*cough* Excuse me?  Skydiving is not freefall.  I believe its a text book
>example of freefall.  Sure feels like it to me.  As to the innacuracies of
>freefall lengths... Whenever I go from 12.5k I usually get a little over a
>minute (1:15).  Alot depends on what you're doing though...

Hmm.  1:15 of freefall.  Guess you deploy at 500 feet.

-- 
Doug Puchalski						Death to all smileys
drp40@cd.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bungee
From: sh666@selway.umt.edu (Wolverine)
Subject: Re: Why?
Organization: University of Montana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:05:10 GMT

*cough* Excuse me?  Skydiving is not freefall.  I believe its a text book
example of freefall.  Sure feels like it to me.  As to the innacuracies of
freefall lengths... Whenever I go from 12.5k I usually get a little over a
minute (1:15).  Alot depends on what you're doing though...

As for the bungee jumping, I am going to pony up for a jump this weekend.
I have watched countless jumps and still seems to me that after about
2 - 3, your primary question has to be 'Now what?'  There is only so much
you can do on a bungee jump.

							W O L V E R I N E

Newsgroups: alt.sport.bungee
From: sh666@selway.umt.edu (Wolverine)
Subject: Why?
Organization: University of Montana
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:50:00 GMT

This is not intended as a flame to bungeeheads.  I want to know why
anyone would want to go bungee jumping when they can go skydiving
for MUCH cheaper.  Your average bungee jump these days runs anywhere
from $50-$120!  For the same amount of money I can make anywhere from
4 - 9 jumps from around 12500', each jump being the equivalent of
about 1 to 1 1/2 minutes of freefall.  Not to mention the canopy ride
down.  I was just wondering where bungee places get off charging so
much?
							Curious,
							Wolverine
From: bk436572@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bungee
Subject: BunJump...SkyDiv.
Date: 11 Sep 92 04:36:25 GMT
Reply-To: bk436572@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University


Hmm...I like what roy said above...its really hard to compare the two
because of the
two different effects you get.  Skydiving...you get the BIG
picture....Bungee Jumping..you get
the small details (much more freakier).

I've been Bungee jumping for 3 yrs now...and its not expensive at all. 
Of course you have to know
where to go.  My first jump was off a railroad bridge (we were
tresspassing of course) and only cost 
$30. (actually the price was $60, but it was for two jumps)  I got a
great 120' of jump and plenty
of recoil. (the only reason for jumping....sort of...)  

This was all before anyone knew about it, so I consider myself a vertern
sort of...(hell, I had to
ask a friend of a friend of a friend who knew this small company who did
it)  But  it was totally
modernized (military cords compared to the shitty rubber bands they were
using overseas then......
...and even now, two body harnesses, no ankle jumps(sort of)...etc...) 
As a bonus to come back...the
jumps got cheaper the more you jump.  Right now I jump for about $10 a
jump, and that was after
about 8 jumps paying less each time.

The problem is, its the *cool* thing to do..and every little greedy f*ck
and their mom are setting
up jumps.  Mostly from balloons, which suck!  Why?  No rebound and the
cost for the stupid balloon
ride.  Also sucky....cranes.  Why? Not stable...hmm, many accidents
lately on cranes.

I feel bummed that its the Frat-Boy thing to do now, because it was neat
when it was just word
of mouth.  Now I have to live with it day to day since I live in the
bungee capitol of the world....
....Boulder, CO.

A word to those who want to try it....come to Colorado and jump with the
longest standing company...
Bungee Jumping Colorado.  They have the *only* PERMANENT structure
solely designed for 
the sport (no cranes here).  The price mocks the stupid balloon prices
around here, especially 
when you can jump in your boxers for only $35 this Saturday.

Its a shame its become comercialized so much...but it makes it fun for
us vertens to sit back
and laugh at everyone who shells out $140 for a measly jump outa a
balloon nowadays.  I'll
be glad when it is not popular anymore and its just the serious jumpers
out there.  

So dont compare it to skydiving until you've tried it, or heard the
facts.  They really are two different
things, both equally exciting.


--recoil or die!

Blades.
From: drp40@cd.amdahl.com (Douglas R Puchalski)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bungee
Subject: Re: Why?
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:28:15 GMT
Reply-To: drp40@cd.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale, CA

In article <1992Sep9.203210.1@vax.sonoma.edu>, mertes@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>Well hell I totally agree! I think that bungee jumping is a kind of bore now
>that everyone thinks its cool to do it and everyone does it and every place
>charges so much for it. Skydiving does cost a lot  more in the short run then
>bungee jumping. Getting your license at a commercial drop zone can cost up to
>$1000  if you are lucky a little cheaper, however, small operating DZ's charge
>much less and you can get your license for sometimes about $200 if you are a
>good student and learn fast.

Hmm.  $200?  I hightly doubt that.  It will always cost you a grand.

-- 
Doug Puchalski						drp40@cd.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bungee
From: sh666@selway.umt.edu (Wolverine)
Subject: Re: Why?
Organization: University of Montana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:09:53 GMT

I'll personally vouch for the cost of skydiving.  At local DZs (not the
HUGE ones (Skydive Arizona, Perris, etc)) You can usually get some really
good deals.  THey have to make thier money off first time jumpers.  A
good percentage of people who make one jump never come back.  After about
my 6th jump (I went static, ASL) they just started charging me 15$ to
10000'.  They knew I was hooked..... :)
							W O L V E R I N E
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bungee
Subject: Re: Why?
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:01:35 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1992Sep9.203210.1@vax.sonoma.edu>, mertes@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
| Well hell I totally agree! I think that bungee jumping is a kind of bore now
| that everyone thinks its cool to do it and everyone does it and every place
| charges so much for it. 

	[ lots of stuff deleted ]

  Skydiving is a totally different experience. In a bungee jump you are
close enough to the ground to get depth perception, and you get a much
greater adrenaline rush. In skydiving you rapidly lose the certainty
that you are going to die and turn to things like precision acrobatics
and group formations. It's a totally different experience.

  Also your coments on the length of free fall are totally incorrect.
Unless you dive in a vacuum you hit terminal velocity quickly and have
the feeling of being held up by the air, and of flying. Since you
actually have enough speed to do manuvers you are flying, sort of, but
it's not free fall, or even free fall sensation, for more than a few
seconds.


| Yahoo Skydiving
| Precision Freefall
| SKYDYVZ-california

  Your professional association explains why you are trying to get
people to change sports, I'm not sure if the technical inaccuracies are
due to saying things quickly, deliberate misrepresentation, or vast
incompetence. I'll assume you glossed over things in a casual post for
now.

-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
    I admit that when I was in school I wrote COBOL. But I didn't compile.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball,rec.sport.paintball
From: bjs@surf.cis.ufl.edu (Brian J. Smith)
Subject: Re: Automag in the winter
Organization: We Dont Need No Stinking Organization
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 02:22:13 GMT

In article <#ft-RA_@engin.umich.edu> pheonix@engin.umich.edu (Douglas John Seman) writes:
>    Thanks for all the responces so far on the Automag.  Keep them
>coming.  My main question right now, is how does the gun function
>in the winter?  I've heard it has problems, (as all semis do) but the
>option I've been told of is to set it up with a backup tank to keep
>liquid out of the gun I assume.  Does a anti-syphon tank work as well?
>    Other than that, is there any other way to fix this problem.  Again,
>I live in Michigan, so any gun I buy MUST be able to work WELL in COLD 
>weather.  Thanks again in advance.


Well, I don't live in MI, only in sunny Florida.  I still ordered a liquid-
control-valve for my AutoMag.  I simply will not allow liquid in the gun.

As to anti-siphon tanks, from what I have heard they only work if DO NOT
tip the gun forward, and DO NOT fill the tank to it's full amount.  IC
if you let liquid get to the valve part of the bottle you still have to
worry about liquid getting in the tank.  I am sure about this but this
is what I have been told.

Bjs

-- 

Brian J. Smith           Systems Manager CMT Group   Email: bjs@phys.ufl.edu
Department of Physics	    283 Williamson Hall      Fax:     (904) 392-0524 
University of Florida 	   Gainesville, FL 32611     Voice:   (904) 392-8755
From: cknudson@Auspex.COM (Cliff Knudson)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Looking for Bay area paintball arenas.
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:50:33 GMT
Distribution: ba


	I don't know if there is a FAQ for paintball spots. Can someone
please give me some insight to the Bay area Paintball arenas?

Thanks to all respondents.

 
-- 
   Cliff Knudson    San Jose, Ca.    408-492-0900     cknudson@auspex.com
 
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball,rec.sport.paintball
From: pheonix@engin.umich.edu (Douglas John Seman)
Subject: PMI-3 in the winter...
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 13:32:24 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

   I live in Michigan, so something I do know is cold weather.
The PMI-3, like most other semis, has problems in the winter, the
good side to the PMI-3, however, is that it has many fixes you can
use.
   First, and cheapest, is to replace the valve spring with one of
about one half the tension of the standard one.  This will allow the
valve to stay open a little longer, and will almost completely eliminate
the "going full auto" that many semis have.  This fix will cost you about
$0.50.
   You can also move the bottle to the back, or the bottom (and this is
also a plus if you like a balanced gun).  This does give the CO2 more time
to expand and vaporize, helping a great deal in the winter.
   The black rain is available, and I have heard nothing but good things 
about it.  Although I wouldn't spend that much money (120 back, 180 bottom 
line) just for winter use, the other advantages of the conversion might
make it your choice for a winter fix.

   On another subject, I own a PMI-3 with a smart parts barrel, and am
interested in the Automag.  Right now I'm not sure if it's worth the
extra money over the PMI-3.  I know most of the noticable advantages of
the automag, but what I want to know are the little ones.
   First, how is the accuracy of the automag with a good barrel (maybe
smar parts?)  I know each gun is different, so I'd like as many responses
as I can get.  Compare it to other, well-known guns if you can.  The other
little thing I'm interested in is the lack of a sight rail.  I own (and 
actually use) a mirage red dot sight.  First, is there a normal sight rail
on the gun?  Is one available, either from the company or aftermarket?  Then
with the mounting rings, should my mirage clear any obstructions caused by
the power feed???  Thanks in advance for any help...

                                           pheonix@engin.umich.edu

Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball,rec.sport.paintball
From: pheonix@engin.umich.edu (Douglas John Seman)
Subject: Automag in the winter
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 20:08:08 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

    Thanks for all the responces so far on the Automag.  Keep them
coming.  My main question right now, is how does the gun function
in the winter?  I've heard it has problems, (as all semis do) but the
option I've been told of is to set it up with a backup tank to keep
liquid out of the gun I assume.  Does a anti-syphon tank work as well?
    Other than that, is there any other way to fix this problem.  Again,
I live in Michigan, so any gun I buy MUST be able to work WELL in COLD 
weather.  Thanks again in advance.

                                       pheonix@engin.umich.edu

                                       President of the University
                                       of Michigan Paintball Club

Xref: sparky alt.sport.paintball:1106 rec.sport.paintball:1069
From: tblackma@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Tom Blackman)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball,rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: PMI-3 in the winter...
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:23:23 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <PXt-jtA@engin.umich.edu> pheonix@engin.umich.edu (Douglas John Seman) writes:
>   On another subject, I own a PMI-3 with a smart parts barrel, and am
>interested in the Automag.  Right now I'm not sure if it's worth the
>extra money over the PMI-3.  I know most of the noticable advantages of
>the automag, but what I want to know are the little ones.
>   First, how is the accuracy of the automag with a good barrel (maybe
>smar parts?)  I know each gun is different, so I'd like as many responses
>as I can get.  Compare it to other, well-known guns if you can.  The other
>little thing I'm interested in is the lack of a sight rail.  I own (and 
>actually use) a mirage red dot sight.  First, is there a normal sight rail
>on the gun?  Is one available, either from the company or aftermarket?  Then
>with the mounting rings, should my mirage clear any obstructions caused by
>the power feed???  Thanks in advance for any help...
>
>                                           pheonix@engin.umich.edu
>
The accuracy of the Automag is simply fantastic.  I played on Airgun Designs
home field this summer, and the semi-rental happend to be an Automag. 
I compared .68 special w/14 muzzle break brass to the Automag w/9" aluminum
and the acurracy was about the same.  I saw one shot with a smart parts and
it was simply phenominal.  It was more accurate than the Pirahnas that the 
field had,  at 7 shots a second.

As for a sight rail, none standard.  In fact, there is a custom modification
that puts the feeder on a diagonal to the body of the gun, but the ball drops
vertically,  making aiming rather interesting.

It does have an expansion area for the power source (N2,CO2,compressed air)
which makes the velocity rock solid and allows it to work rather well in 
cold climates.  

One thing that caught my eye was that the gun is about 10 times easier to take
down than an Illustrator.  Just twist off the barrel and remove a field strip
screw and the gun is apart.  Takes about 10sec to pull apart and put back 
together.  

I played with Sandman of TEAM SWARM that day and he swears by that gun, And from
what I saw, I can understand where he is coming from.

Hope this helps a little,  I am lookin to get one in the near future.

-- 
tblackma@gn.ecn.purdue.edu--------------------------Thomas Blackman
Paint em all, let the judges sort em out.          Go team Tippmann
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens
Subject: selecting a college
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 9 Sep 92 05:17:12 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20Lines: 31

Just thought I'd ask this wise group's opinion:

My 17-year-old h.s. senior wants to apply to one college for "early decision"
entrance.  That means that when she submits her application (deadline: oct 15)
she promises to attend THAT college next fall if they accept her right away.

I think she'd be better off applying to at least several different colleges,
waiting to see where she's accepted, & THEN making a commitment about attending
(next april or so) the one that looks most attractive to her.

As a college professor, I think that "early decision" entrance applications are
99% to the benefit of the institution (i.e., they can be sure of who's coming)
and only 1% (if at all) to the benefit of the student.

Interested in the collective wisdom of this group...

[oh yes, in TOTAL honesty, the college she wants to apply to for "early
decision" is NOT my first choice for where she ought to go; strangely enough,
it isn't HER first choice either, its her SECOND choice.  she's worried that
her first choice will be too expensive {despite her Dad's & my reassurances
that she should GO AHEAD & APPLY, & that we would do our best to find necessary
resources if she gets admitted, AFTER we see what financial aid the college
offers her -- i.e., WE think we CAN afford to send her to College #1, but SHE
is afraid it would be "too much of a burden" for us, so she wants to apply for
"early decision" to College #2 instead, which is her 2nd choice & about her
Dad's 3rd choice & about my 4th or 5th choice}.  Is this really a power
struggle, & not about college at all, or what?  I don't get it.]

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens
Subject: Re: selecting a college
Date: 9 Sep 1992 14:57:50 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anarres.cs.berkeley.edu

stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
>   6.	Is there a maximum practical distance from home that the college
>	should be?  (We requested 3 hours or less, so that moving her in
>	and out doesn't become a chore, it's easy enough to get home
>	from if desired, and it's easy enough for us to get there in
>	case of emergency or crisis).

I would put this the other way -- the college should be FAR AWAY from
home, far enough so you'll think twice about what's really an "emergency
or crisis."  I am perhaps influenced by the memory of my parents driving
up (to Boston from New York) because I happened to mention over the
phone that the pillow they gave me in the dorm was a little lumpy.  If
I'd been going to college in California, they might instead have said,
"why don't you go buy one yourself?" and I'd have been a little more
mature a little earlier.  (Not to mention less embarrassed.)  I think
1000 miles is the minimum acceptable distance.  (Yes, I know some people
can't afford to take this advice because they can only afford in-state
tuitions.  But I mean, if you can afford it.)

As for the original topic of early decision and college choice, I agree
with everyone else that early decision mostly benefits the college, but
also I think it's futile to put a lot of effort into ordering choices
because it'll turn out that what makes all the difference when you actually
get to the college is one particular teacher or one particular roommate
that you could never have predicted from reading about (or even visiting)
the school.  Even after the fact it's hard to know if you made a wise
choice.  (I decided when I was in the third grade that I was going to MIT,
and I did, and I'm still very ambivalent about it.  It was liberating
because for the first time I was in the company of people like me, but it
was also narrowing and competitive and hurtful in various ways.  Who knows
whether I would have been happier or lonelier somewhere else?)