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From: scm@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Zappa Trivia Quiz
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:49:22 GMT
Distribution: alt
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM's T. J. Watson Research Center

Sorry, but I was a bit sloppy in my posting of the quiz.  I have two
corrections.  The new quiz should read:

Here is a brief trivia quiz for you hard-core Zappa maniacs.

1) What does "Manny the Camper" want to buy in the song "Wind up Workin'
   in a Gas Station"?
2) On what album does Frank receive a performance credit as "Stucco Homes"?
3) Name all 5 places where "The Black Page" has been released.  (The Black
   Page #1 and #2 on the same album count as one release, and not including
   video releases, Beat the Boots or other bootlegs)
4) On what song does the line "Rubber?  Have you ever SMELLED rubber?" appear?

                          -- Scott "Call Any Vegetable" Morrison
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: hx201me@unidui.uni-duisburg.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Subject: Re: same song, different name
Date:  6 Apr 92 17:14:49 GMT
Organization: Rechenzentrum Uni-Duisburg

In <1992Apr1.152817.15151@vexcel.com> dean@vexcel.com (dean alaska) writes:

>In article <1992Apr1.050438.25492@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c60a-tf@congo.Berkeley.EDU (Matt Wright) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr1.020551.17223@athena.mit.edu> masanag@athena.mit.edu (Masahiko Nagamiya) writes:
>>>I was listening to "The Best band" and the Beat the Boot's "As an Am". There 
>>>is a song on both albums (names I forgot) that are the same song, but have
>>>different names... Why?
>>>
>>>The song is an instrumental, umm..... there's a part that has a melody that's
>>>sort of similar to ... damn, I can't remember the name again. It's a classic
>>>piece. 
>>>[guitar tablature deleted]
>>
>>The piece is called _Young & Monde_ on _As An Am_ and _Let's Move to
>>Cleveland_ on TBBYNHIYL.
>>
>>I don't know why he changed the name, but both titles fit the melody in the
>>E minor section (G F# F# F#... G F# E) and it's mostly an instrumental
>>tune.  In the _As An Am_ version they actually sing "So Young and Monde, So
>>very monde..." at the end; you could imagine them singing "Let's Move to
>>Cleveland" in the same section, although the TBBYNHIYL version is completely
>>instrumental.
>>
>>On YCDTOSA vol 4 he has a track called Let's Move To Cleveland Solos, which
>>has a bunch of solos (sax, piano), but none of the "head" from Let's Move to
>>Cleveland, or, of course, any singing.  Beats me.
>>
>>-Matt

>The version on Does Humor Belong in Music contains the Lets Move to
>Cleveland vocals.  I think that this was the first version to be
>officially released so its name sticks.  Young and Monde were the
>normal vocals but I was at the show where the vocals on Humor was
>recorded and we got the impression it was one of those spontaneous
>changes that Frank likes to do so often.
>-- 

>		dingo in boulder	(dean@vexcel.com)

Well, guess what? On some weird and real shitty sounding bootleg of frank, you will be able to find another version of "Let's move to Cleveland".
The Song (and, in fact, the bootleg -- hands off!!) is called "Kiss my volcano".
Kiss my Volcano is the line they are singing at the end of the song. There seems to be a variety of names for the same song (parts of it are also included into other songs on some bootlegs - don't ask for any names, they are taped only with no titles).

Anybody know some more ?

Ralph  
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: tk526042@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Timothy Knorr)
Subject: Re: Beat The Boots!
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 06:01:14 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

Mike writes: 
>I think the MUSIC on the one from this series which I've heard (Any Way the  
>Wind Blows) is great.  I agree the quality isn't up to quality, but compare it  
>to most of my grateful dead tapes and it sparkles.  Like Paul said, these are  
>bootlegs, recorded almost certainly on one track and not well at that, but if  
>you listen to bootlegs regularly, you come to get used to bad sound quality for  
>the sake of the great music you're hearing.
>-- 
>
>Mike Ferris
>mike@lorax.portal.com

Nope.  After hearing many EXCELLENT quality boots (most especially Phish tapes) it becomes hard to accept anything sounding muddled.


Tim Knorr
Colorado State University 
INTERNET: tk526042@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu
"Salt water very bad for grass"

Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: ian christian rogers <irogers@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Could be an intersting thread
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:54:51 -0500

In article <1992Apr9.003706.17570@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> francisr@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Rob Francis) writes:
>
>I'd be interested how other people go about trying to hook other
>people on Zappa's music.
>
>I find the best attack is to find out what sort of musical background
>the person you're trying to zappafy has, along with their willingness
>to put up with (ahem) certain lyrics.  Now, I'm obviously stating the
>obvious here, but I'm interested in what albums you use when you want
>to hook these different people.  I have my own favorites, I'd be
>curious if other's match.
>

Your plan of attack is very similar.  Since Zappa's music is so diverse,
there should be something for everyone.  Unfortunatly, the diversity
creates its own problems.  Many people will claim "Oh, I heard Zappa
once, and I didn't like it."  Or usually people say "Yea, that Zappa guy
is really funny."  I think I have a harder time with that, because I
generally don't listen to Zappa for the gutsplitting wit (at least not
over and over and over).

The people that I am usually trying to "zappafy" already have a flair
for noncommercial music.  For those who like the underground rock music,
_Bongo Fury_ is really ear-catching.  For those who like that
"kind-of-complicated" rock (ie Yes), _Burnt Weeny Sandwich_ or _Hot
Rats_ goes over well.

I guess you already said it, you have to find out what that person is
into, and think of a Zappa song or album to match.  With the incredible
diversity, you should be able to get anyone to go "wow, that was really
cool"...

>
>-rob

ian
-- 

Ian Rogers
irogers@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: jpurlia@qualcomm.com (John Purlia)
Subject: Re: How to convert plastic people (was Re: Could be an intersting thread)
Organization: Qualcomm Incorporated
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:04:52 GMT

In article <kumv00INN16b@skat.usc.edu>, sweet@skat.usc.edu (Rob Sweet) writes:

> they grew up listening to commercial radio.  Frank is not easily categorized,
> and a lot of people have to know which slot to throw his music in before
> they'll even consider listening to it.  Is it Rock? Is it Jazz? Is it Neo-
> Classical?  Also, because of the music's complexity, it does not always
> grab you on the first listen.  If Frank was getting the heavy rotation that
> Nirvana and a few other groups are getting, folks would think it was wonder-
> ful until they got burned out on it.  (Nirvana is reaching that point.)
> I am sure that is exactly what Frank did NOT want happening to his music.
> His last so-called "pop" effort, Valley Girl, backfired on him, because
> it merely encouraged more to people talk like idiots.

This is absolutely true.  Ask this of yourself:  When was the last time one
of Frank's releases was reviewd by a major magazine?  Rolling Stones loves to
pass on information about Frank as a performer and personality (I think they
did mention the YCDTOSA series when it was first conceived) but do they ever
publish a review of the *music* that is released?  NO!  I don't know if it is
because they don't consider the material *serious* enough, or mainstream
enough, or perhaps popular enough to devote the page space.  True, a review is
just the opinion of a single critic, but they should at least acknowledge that
the material exists and may be of redeeming value to someone besides those of
us who already know what wonderful music Frank is responsible for.
..........................................................................
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jpurlia@qualcomm.com :      "Just about any movie could be made better
AOL:  <Jpurlia>      :       if one of the characters were a vampire."
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: millerje@CS.ColoState.EDU (Jeff Miller)
Subject: Re: How to convert plastic people (was Re: Could be an intersting thread)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:23:11 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Apr15.160452.25053@qualcomm.com> jpurlia@qualcomm.com (John Purlia) writes:
>In article <kumv00INN16b@skat.usc.edu>, sweet@skat.usc.edu (Rob Sweet) writes:

>of Frank's releases was reviewd by a major magazine?  Rolling Stones loves to
>pass on information about Frank as a performer and personality (I think they
>did mention the YCDTOSA series when it was first conceived) but do they ever
>publish a review of the *music* that is released?  NO!  I don't know if it is
>because they don't consider the material *serious* enough, or mainstream
>enough, or perhaps popular enough to devote the page space.  True, a review is

It's probably because RS is one of the weakest rock magazines in existence.
Just look at the groups they cover - the 10 top in rock, and that's about
it.  So they might have 1 page for Jazz reviews and 1 page for "up and
coming college bands"...big deal!
This mag is TOTALLY out of Frank's league.


-- 
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| "Nuke the unborn gay whales!" |  millerje@cs.colostate.edu  |  Jeff Miller  |
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From: chr@datmuc.UUCP (ChristianLechner)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Beat The Boots!
Date: 13 Apr 92 05:53:19 GMT

I know of a warning that "Unmitigated Audacity - Live Paris", 1974 is
of lousy quality, "like tru a telefone".
The ones I have, Saarbruecken 78, AS AN AM, Anyway The Wind Blows,
are OK, though significantly worse than YCDTOSAM.

Christian
From: irelanda@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Charlie Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Could be an intersting thread
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:46:40 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

I always play Apostrophe from Apostrophe'.

I've had people asking me if that is  the Doors, Jimi Hendrix, Cream(good guess)
, Neil Young.

If the person is more sort of Jazz Influenced, well then its gotta be Hot Rats,
Waka Jawaka (or my personal fave) Uncle Meat.

I first heard  Joe's Garage, and it was the Bawdy Lyrics in that which attracted
me to his music.  But as my collection grows, I really can get more than one 
"thing" from his music.

Most of the time its usually how tight the band is, and in the later years its
how Zappa (and his band) can put in so many humorous themes from his earlier
work.

Andrew Ireland - University of Glasgow
-- 
I Have just one thing to say - "Een pinche voor alles!"
From: bruce@maypo.ai.mit.edu (Bruce Walton)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: same song, different name
Keywords: n
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:21:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: life.23133
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab

In article <1992Apr1.152817.15151@vexcel.com> dean@vexcel.com (dean alaska) writes:


>The version on Does Humor Belong in Music contains the Lets Move to
>Cleveland vocals.  I think that this was the first version to be
>officially released so its name sticks.  Young and Monde were the
>normal vocals but I was at the show where the vocals on Humor was
>recorded and we got the impression it was one of those spontaneous
>changes that Frank likes to do so often.

I have a bootleg called "Big Mother Is Watching You" from the '84
tour,  where this song is referred to as "Kreega Bondola", and this
is what the lyrics sound like as well.  Does anyone have any idea
about the meaning of this phrase?

		-bruce.

Bruce Walton	bruce@ai.mit.edu	MIT artificial intelligence lab
		617-253-9667		545 tech sq. cambridge, MA 02139
From: m107a-ag@euler.Berkeley.EDU (m107a student)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Could be an intersting thread
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:11:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: pasteur.1992Apr9.221131.26171
Organization: University of California at Berkeley

In article <1992Apr9.003706.17570@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> francisr@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Rob Francis) writes:
>
>I'd be interested how other people go about trying to hook other
>people on Zappa's music.
>
I guess I try to get people into Zappa the same way I did.

The first albums I ever heard were Sheik Yerbouti and Joe's Garage.

I find people who wave not heard Frank before also easily dig:
     The YCDTOSTA series
     Best Band...
     Apostrophe/Overnite Sensation
     Broadway the Hard Way

Of course I have yet to really delve into Franks more jazz influenced work
and stick to his guitar/humor type of stufff but hey, someday I'll
actually be able to afford all of his work (well, maybe not)

Jim

.
From: degnans@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (The Imposter)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Where are they now (cont...)
Keywords: Ian UNderwood
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:23:18 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

My sister bought the Soundtrack to Blade Runner, and guess who was 
playing Synth...  Ian UNderwood.

THats all.

THe Imposter
From: proteusi@tz.wimsey.bc.ca (Proteus IV)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Modern Music Show
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 07:05:42 PDT
Organization: Somewhere in The Twilight Zone, Vancouver, B.C

Well, it wasn't on at the announced time yesterday (shit!). I'll have to 
phone the CBC this morning and scream at them.
From: xrjdm@twinpeaks.GSFC.NASA.gov (Joseph D. McMahon)
Subject: Re: Could be an interesting thread
Reply-To: xrjdm@calvin.gsfc.nasa.gov 
Organization: NASA/GSFC NCCS
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 12:55:38 GMT

"Cheepnis", immediately followed by "Son of Orange County" (from 'oxy').
I've also had good results from "Inca Roads" and "Evelyn, a Modified Dog".

 --- Joe M.

Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: ghatch@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Greg Hatch)
Subject: Re: Zappa Trivia Quiz
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:46:58 GMT

In article <SCM.92Apr8111541@idefix.watson.ibm.com> scm@watson.ibm.com (Scott Morrison) writes:
>Here is a brief trivia quiz for you hard-code Zappa maniacs.
>
>1) What does "Manny the Camper" want to buy in the song "Wind up Workin'
>   in a Gas Station"?
>2) On what album does Frank receive a performance credit as "Stucco Homes"?

Was it L. Shankar's "Touch Me There"?


>3) Name all 5 places where "The Black Page" has been released.  (The Black
>   Page #1 and #2 on the same album count as one release, and not including
>   video releases.)
>4) On what song does the line "Rubber?  Have ever SMELLED rubber?" appear?

Either "Broken Hearts are For Assholes" or one off of the Joe's Garage LP.

>
>                          -- Scott "Call Any Vegetable" Morrison


-- 
Greg Hatch (ghatch@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)

"Cleans you, thrills you, may even keep you from getting busted!"
		_Remington Electric Razor advertisement_ by Frank Zappa
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller)
Subject: Re: River of shit answer.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:34:35 GMT
Organization: Right Bleedin' Church of Libertine Obfuscatology

In <1992Apr16.143205.826@u.washington.edu> qwa@milton.u.washington.edu (Ned Bedinger) writes:


>      That would be "Sander's Truck Stop".  Who could ever forget Johnny
>      describing the peace queer he beat up:?

>                     "...he had on penny loafers
>                      and...and purple bell bottoms
>                      and a button that said
>                      'GOD IS ACID'.  Boy, that
>                      rilly pi-i-i-i-ssed me off! "

This couldn't possibly be the same guy that did "Rodeo Song," could it?

"Four in the mornin and I don't give a fuck
Got a heater in my truck and I'm off to the rodeo

Yeah 'round by the left and around by the right
come on fuckin honey get it step right
Get off stage you goddamn dude (jew?) you know..

Piss me off.
Fuckin jerk.
Get on my nerves..

etc.
-- 
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From: Kay.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Kay Shapero)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Furries and sexuality (again)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 18:20:44 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:102/524 - StormGate Aerie, Los Angeles CA

On <Apr 10 13:32>, John Alan Stanley wrote to All:


 JA>Depends on what you call erotica.  The picture was not anything 
 JA>that would
 JA>get you busted, but it was a nice cheesecake sort of pose, with 
 JA>Sydney
 JA>displaying her justifyably famous charms.  I guess that if you 
 JA>have problems
 JA>with the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue, you might not like 
 JA>the shirt,
 JA>but it was of about that caliber.  Nothing explicit, certainly!  

The big problem was the colors - the acid green was bad enough, but
the outrageous orange hardly did our Sydney justice... SIGH...

 JA>As to other furry conventions?  Don't know if there are any; I 
 JA>certainly have
 JA>not heard of any others.  

There has been discussion of an East Coast furry con, but I don't know
if anything's come of it.  Hope something does; there are a lot of furry
fen back there.



--  

Kay Shapero
Internet: Kay.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Compuserve: >internet:Kay.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
From: afj9838@rigel.tamu.edu (JOHNSON, AARON FLEMING)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: OtherSuns RPG
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:45:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Una pregunta, por favor.  I've heard quite a bit about this OtherSuns
RPG since I began reading a.f.f.  Enough, in fact, to want to view a copy.  
Could someone tell me what company makes/made it and if it is still in 
print?  I'd like to take a gander at it, and after the goose is done, I'd like
to read it and possibly buy a copy (although it may be feathered by the time 
he's done).
						Ebony

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			Nobody WANTS my opinions!!!
From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Furries and sexuality (again)
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:35:30 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <fnqjvjc.fuzzy@netcom.com>, fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox) writes:
> peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf) writes:
> 
>>Well, it might be kind of questionable when a large part of the discussion goes
>>off about homosexuality, etc. without any pretense of being related to
>>furrydom.
> 
> The discussion you are referring to was originally crossposted from
> soc.bi, so of *course* there were missing parts, making it seem like it
> came out of nowhere.  If you really wanted all the context, you would
{deleted}

> 
> Hopefully I paraphrased that correctly.  If not, please flame me.  :)

Nonono.  No need for flames.  Perfectly reasonable explanation.  I *think* I
was just trying to propose a "hypothetical" example, but my choice of topics
was poor.  I think mention of the "Denial of Humanity" thread would have been
far more appropriate for me to use.

(What?  You think I'm going to flame the inimitable FuzzyFox of the Room
Temperature Banana Detective Agency?!)
-- 
-Jordan            ..      PEACOCK5293@iscsvax.uni.edu
                  .OO.     Jordan Peacock (Jordan Greywolf)
                  O/\O     (New Address):  1610 Parker
                   --                      Cedar Falls, IA  50613
From: KidTandy@lorbit.UUCP (Jeff Cornish)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Oops, missing words
Distribution: usa
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:48:31 PDT
Organization: LOW ORBIT Science and Fiction

In my message <10apr92.223450PDT><KidTandy.
The line 
  PS When the $%^$#
should read
  PS When the $^&$! is Albedo 4 coming out!
sorry for the dropped characters...puzzles me what happens
 
oh, btw, item 4. is a tube of conditioner...to keep that flouncy pelt!
--
"Lightfinger" Rayek's Friendly Casino: 206/528-0948, Seattle, Washington.
From: john@ontek.com (John Alan Stanley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Furries and sexuality (again)
Summary: huh?  run me over with that again?
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:25:12 GMT
Organization: Ontek Corporation -- Laguna Hills, California

In article <70040@ut-emx.uucp> hepfox@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dave Peyton) writes:
}Oy.  Greywolf, you of all people should know me better than that!  The only
}reason I even *mentioned* Christian fundamentalists is that something like
}this apparently *did* happen at the last ConFurence.  By now, I thought that
}was common knowledge in alt.fan.furry.

Not to me, and I was one of the people running it.  What exactly are you
referring to here?  I'd sure like to know if we were shut down by the
fundagelicals; they didn't tell _me_ about it... <pout>  :-)

JAS
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: dodger@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (The Artful)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Dea-Htuhok
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:49:57 GMT
Reply-To: dodger@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (The Artful)
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: dodger@tigger.cc.utexas.edu

Hi, I'm new here.  I just started reading Albedo
and I have a few questions:

1.)  Does not Dea-Htuhok look a lot younger and
     thinner in Command Review 2 than in 1?

2.)  Will I see her often in later issues?
     (Old Albedos are hard to find.)

I tried asking this over E-mail and was told to
post it here since most of them could not answer
the questions.

            -dodger@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu