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From: jcs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (john.c.schwebel)
Subject: Re: Clinton mediocre runner?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 05:31:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.083607.26053@mic.ucla.edu> rush@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (Brian Rush ) writes:
>In article <1992Dec24.000943.20651@gibdo.engr.washington.edu> bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob) writes:
>>m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
>>|| How great do you expect someone to get, who jogs to McDonalds?
>>
>>sagnella@a.chem.upenn.edu (Diane E. Sagnella) responds:
>>  ...I'm not impressed with anyone who jogs to McDonalds to
>>  pork out on Curly Fries.He's trying to have it both ways...

Ever seen any proof that a "healthy diet" improves your running
performance?

I've known plenty of very good runners who were junk food addicts.
I could say "I'm not impressed by the runners who run the 10
mile run every Sunday Morning and then pork out on fatty donuts",
but that's not true, they do it and I am impressed by their
racing performance.

>....  Clinton is the FIRST president of my
>lifetime (25 years) who was never a competetive athlete as a youth.  Not
>that that has much to do with the presidency, but I am sure that this
>group is the first place where people will admit that competetive
>athletes make better leaders, all else equal.

Don't know about the group, but I, for one, do NOT agree.
Possibly a competitive athlete might be a better military
leader, and more inclined to get us into a war,
but, IMHO,  I don't agree they would be better civilian leaders
of a democracy.

Also, there are plenty of non-competitive athletes in this group.

>A side note - I bet Gore's body fat % is even higher than Clinton's.

So, is body fat correlated with leadership skills?
Now that sounds like it would be an interesting subject.
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: ISO:Dallas Racewalkers
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:20:39 GMT

I'm not sure if this is the group for this. I'm looking for People to Racewalk
with in Dallas on a regular basis. 8-9 min mile pace. Kris

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: wolfson@regatta.sps.mot.com (Stephen Wolfson)
Subject: Weight Loss Diet with Running?
Organization: SPS
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:14:41 GMT

I'm using running as part of my overall plan to get my "gravitationally
enhanced" body (with the big gut) into a more svelte appearance.  I  
currently can typically make it about 1.5 miles (sometimes less) 3 times
per week.

Should I use a typicall low-fat higher carbohydrate diet similar to
that proposed in the "Fit or Fat" books?  Is there a change that will
take place when I start getting at running that should have me altering
things slightly (radically?).  I'm also using weight machines 3 times
a week.
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: jcs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (john.c.schwebel)
Subject: Re: Fun with a truck
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:35:57 GMT

In article <BznJqt.Axu@world.std.com> gcm@world.std.com (Gretchen C Macdowall) writes:
>It's the best day of the year to run. For one day, here in the northeast
>US,  people cast off that famous New England reserve. Many runners wear
>antlers ...
 ^^^^^^^

Better make sure no hunting season is in effect.
After all, isn't Connecticut part of the northeast?
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Presidential running shoes (really where are shoes made)
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:56:44 GMT

fkittred@spchp13.BBN.COM (Fletcher Kittredge) writes:

>In article <1992Dec22.190547.9144@tessi.com> allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:

>>Who cares?  Besides, what athletic shoe is manufactured domestically anymore
>>anyway?  =)  =)

>Sacony definitely still has plants in Maine.  As of a couple of weeks
>ago, they were manufacturing the vast majority of their shoes around
>Bangor.  Nike has had plants in Maine around Biddeford until at
>least a couple of years ago.  They still may be there...

Thanks for the correction.  I'm glad to see that some manufacturing *may*
still be done here in the States.  Hopefully that won't change IF the
NAFTA goes into affect.

allen
From: sulli_t@pyramid.unr.edu (Tim Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Brand new runner
Keywords: Sorry to break up the scintillating thread about how
Date: 30 Dec 92 18:08:29 GMT
Reply-To: sulli_t@pyramid.unr.edu (Tim Sullivan)
Followup-To: rec.running
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno  Department of Computer Science

Two things:  trail running
             ride and tie events.

Tim Sullivan
(sulli_t@cs.unr.edu)
(sulli_t@equinox.unr.edu)
From: fkittred@spchp13.BBN.COM (Fletcher Kittredge)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Presidential running shoes (really where are shoes made)
Date: 22 Dec 92 14:23:45
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., 10 Moulton Street, Cambridge, MA
	02138
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In-reply-to: allen@tessi.com's message of Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:05:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.190547.9144@tessi.com> allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:

>Who cares?  Besides, what athletic shoe is manufactured domestically anymore
>anyway?  =)  =)

Sacony definitely still has plants in Maine.  As of a couple of weeks
ago, they were manufacturing the vast majority of their shoes around
Bangor.  Nike has had plants in Maine around Biddeford until at
least a couple of years ago.  They still may be there...

regards,
fletcher
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From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: president-elect's runs
Date: 30 Dec 92 23:20:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Dec30.232027.17088
Organization: Western Washington University

rush@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (Brian Rush ) writes:

>It may be more uncomfortable to run in very cold weather but it is

	In cold weather my hands and ears hurt and frequently become
more of a bother than fatigue does.	

>actually physically more difficult to run in very hot weather.  I've run
>in the 20's (F) and it's harder to convince myself to go out and start
>than when I've run with it over 110 (F), but the latter is harder on the
>body once started.  My point:  don't conclude that runners are wimps
>just because they live in hot weather.
From: bschmidt@maybeck.mti.sgi.com (Bill Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Brand new runner
Keywords: Sorry to break up the scintillating thread about how
Date: 28 Dec 92 15:55:01 GMT
Reply-To: bschmidt@maybeck.mti.sgi.com (Bill Schmidt)
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: sgi

This should be easy!!!

You are fortunate to live where you do.  If she has "ouchy" knees
she should stick to soft surfaces until she develops some good running
fitness and adaptation to the stresses of running.  This should take
6 months to a year.  Since she loves the outdoors already:

    Run on trails only.  Pick a loop or out and back destination that
	will take you 20 to 30 minutes to do.

    Start slowly, walking and running at a PLEASURABLE pace over a 
	period of several months until she can run comfortably for
	the 30 minute period.

    Make it interesting!   Pick trails in the desert or the hills that
	she rides on her horse or that have interesting scenery (that
	shouldn't be hard)

    Be patient!!
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: smay@boi.hp.com (Scott Smay)
Subject: Re: Clinton mediocre runner?
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:35:33 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Geez, I was so excited. It was the Monday after Xmas and there were 17 new
posts in rec.running. Can't tell you all how disappointed I was to find out
it's mainly children's barf posing as a discussion of various politicos.

Any chance of moving this to rec.running.politics.nah-nah-na-nah-nah?

cheers,
scott smay
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai)
Subject: Re: Presidential running shoes (was Re: Clinton mediocre runner?)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:34:00 GMT

A.M.T.Bell@daresbury.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell) writes:

>What shoes does Bush wear?

	I saw a couple of photos in Time mag. before the election,
where Bush had a new looking pair of NIKE and Bill had some old
beat up undetermined brand.

-J
From: sulli_t@pyramid.unr.edu (Tim Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: XMAS running? (was: Fun with a truck)
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:51:08 GMT
Reply-To: sulli_t@pyramid.unr.edu (Tim Sullivan)
Followup-To: rec.running
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno  Department of Computer Science

In article <2691@grivel.une.edu.au> tarmstro@metz.une.edu.au (tarmstro) writes:
>In response to the original post: Here in Aussie we have a rule:
>`Any bigger and/or moving faster than you has right of way'.
>
This same rule applies here in Nevada, USA.  I never have managed
to find the reference in the state drivers' handbook though ...

>Merry Xmas to all on the net. Now that raises an interesting question.
>Do the runners on the net have the day off and eat, or do they still get
>out the door.
>
Since we finally got some snow in the Sierras the last few weeks,
I will undoubtedly be going up to the mountains for my traditional
Christmas day cross-country skiing expedition.  Then I'll be ready
to face the various relatives and consume enough calories to keep 
me alive for weeks.  Can't pass up my Mom's pecan pie!

Tim Sullivan
(sulli_t@cs.unr.edu)
(sulli_t@equinox.unr.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: Clinton mediocre runner?
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:46:18 GMT


How great do you expect someone to get, who jogs to McDonalds?
From: kingpin@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Joe Smooth)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Runner's World Midnight 5-mile race on New Years Eve
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:54:17 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: None

Is anyone running the above on New Years Eve in Central Park in New York?

I am, and I was just interested if anyone else on the net is...
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: bwf@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (bernard.w.fecht)
Subject: Re: Reasons needed for running
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:46:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.161821.7009@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:

	[stuff deleted]

>
>The most-quoted study in area is of an east coast 25(?)th alumni group
>where there was considerable improvement in health for people who
>exercised aerobically 2000 kcal per week, but not much improvement thereafter.
>Not there was a decline in health beyond 2000 kcal either.
>This probably saying there is a lot more difference between coach potatoes
>and people who run 30 miles a week, than between 30 and 60 miles a week.

This passes my first common sense sanity check.  With a little bit of
exercise, you can avoid that "death due to cardio-pulmonary" troubles.
If you run, even a little, you PROBABLY don't smoke, you PROBABLY eat well,
you PROBABLY are keeping your weight down, and you're exercising.

Says more about American's way of life than anything about running (or
aerobics, or whatever).
From: sagnella@a.chem.upenn.edu (Diane E. Sagnella)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Clinton mediocre runner?
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:01:35 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec22.134618.4405@linus.mitre.org> m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
>
>How great do you expect someone to get, who jogs to McDonalds?


Give the guy a break!  ANYONE that exercises, that goes out and
'just does it' is okay by me!  Clinton never professed to be
a spectacular runner, why must you label him?

When you start judging someone by their speed, you take away from 
them the one thing that is so very special about running.  With 
running you do it for YOU.  You are your primary contender.  You set your
goals, you decide when to run fast and when to run slow.

How dare anyone put someone down because they think they
don't run fast enough!  We as runners should support other
runners in their endeavors not ridicule them because they
don't live up to our standards!

I say `BRAVO!' to the 5:00 miler, to the 7:00 miler to the
15:00 miler, to anyone who exercises!


Diane
From: tarmstro@metz.une.edu.au (tarmstro)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Fun with a truck
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:51:50 GMT

In response to the original post: Here in Aussie we have a rule:
`Any bigger and/or moving faster than you has right of way'. I guess 
I'm getting mellow in my old age, but I figure I'd rather be alive/uninjured
and lose my macho pride than take on a truck, even when I'm in the right!

Merry Xmas to all on the net. Now that raises an interesting question.
Do the runners on the net have the day off and eat, or do they still get
out the door. I have managed to run every Xmas day (once even a track session?).We have a traditional Xmas run with brunch after. We go about the streets
looking like bloody Xmas trees all done up in tinsel etc.

Cheers,
Tim
tarmstro@metz.une.edu.au

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: dvfreese@freese.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Doug Freese)
Subject: Penn State Directory 
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 23:59:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM Corp. Kingston NY

I'm trying to find an old friend that I recently found out is on staff 
at one of the Penn State campus'.  She teaches math/Comp Sci so I 
would assume is on the net.  If someone has access to a directory 
please E-mail a note.   Thanks in advance.  My apologies if this is 
not the appropriate forum.

-- 
--------The race is not to the swift but to those who keep on running -----
Doug Freese                 (The views expressed here are entirely mine)     
I.B.M. Corp.                email: dvfreese@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com 
Neighborhood Rd. Kingston N.Y. 12401
From: gkc@freddie.udev.cdc.com (gordon k chace x2367)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Clinton mediocre runner?
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:57:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.175447.20289@cbnews.cb.att.com>, jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:
|> This letter appeared in the New York Times a little while ago:

|> 	Clinton's race time of 24:16 in a five-kilometer run as "fair
|> 	at best" and a "mediocre jog." His pace per mile was 7 minutes
|> 	and 50 seconds. I have been running for 20 years, and can
|> 	assure you that a 7:50 pace is quite respectable and certainly

|> 	Edwin A. Salsitz

Clinton really is mediocre (ie, average or not much worse) amongst 
people who run in races.  That makes him good compared to runners who do 
not race, and d*mn good compared to the sedentary.

But he sure *looks* slow and flabby in the video clips!  First I ever saw
of him as a runner was a still photo in a newspaper, from looks of stride
(leading heel about to strike with trailing toe still brushing pavement)
I would have thought he would be 10 to 11 minutes per mile.

Trivia time: from the newspaper photo it looks like he wears ASICS.

-- 
Gordon K. Chace (who runs in ASICS shoes)
Control Data Systems, Inc.   phone (612) 482-6524   fax 482-2791
email: gordon.chace@cdc.com or gkc@udev.cdc.com
RISC: Really Invented on the Sixty-six-hundred by CDC
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob)
Subject: Re: Clinton mediocre runner?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:23:01 GMT

m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
|| How great do you expect someone to get, who jogs to McDonalds?

sagnella@a.chem.upenn.edu (Diane E. Sagnella) responds:
| Give the guy a break!  ANYONE that exercises, that goes out and
| 'just does it' is okay by me!  Clinton never professed to be
| a spectacular runner, why must you label him?

  I have to agree with the first guy.  Clinton is all show and no
  substance.  I'm not impressed with anyone who jogs to McDonalds to
  pork out on Curly Fries.  He's trying to have it both ways.

  You know who's a good runner?  I once saw Jerry Brown running and
  he looks pretty good -- one of those thin, long distance, vegetarian,
  spiritual type of runners.

  I've also heard that Patrick Buchanan is a decent runner.  Perot, with
  his small-but-wiry body, would be tough if he were interested.
  ==

  Bob                                            Seattle, Washington

Xref: sparky rec.running:3723 news.answers:4701
From: sagnella@a.chem.upenn.edu (Diane E. Sagnella)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Presidential running shoes (was Re: Clinton mediocre runner?)
Date: 22 Dec 92 19:51:07 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec22.190547.9144@tessi.com> allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:

stuff deleted

>
>Who cares?  Besides, what athletic shoe is manufactured domestically anymore
>anyway?  =)  =)
>
>allen



Newsgroups: rec.running
From: dvfreese@freese.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Doug Freese)
Subject: Re: Weight Loss Diet with Running?
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 22:56:43 GMT
Organization: IBM Corp. Kingston NY

In article <1992Dec30.211441.9484@newsgate.sps.mot.com> wolfson@regatta.sps.mot.com (Stephen Wolfson) writes:
>I'm using running as part of my overall plan to get my "gravitationally
>enhanced" body (with the big gut) into a more svelte appearance.  I  
>currently can typically make it about 1.5 miles (sometimes less) 3 times
>per week.
>
>Should I use a typicall low-fat higher carbohydrate diet similar to
>that proposed in the "Fit or Fat" books?  Is there a change that will
>take place when I start getting at running that should have me altering
>things slightly (radically?).  I'm also using weight machines 3 times
>a week.


Stephen, Most of us eat too many fat calories, 9 calories per gram of 
fat with only 4 per gram for carbos.  If your really interested I would 
do two things: 
 1. subscribe to sci.med.nutrition (ignore the pissing contest between the 
    vegans, vegitarians, and meat eaters - it is informative and 
    humorous. 
 2. Try a basic nutrition book - I think jane Brody's Nutrition Book is the 
    perfect starter book, easy to read, good basics.  



-- 
--------The race is not to the swift but to those who keep on running -----
Doug Freese                 (The views expressed here are entirely mine)     
I.B.M. Corp.                email: dvfreese@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com 
Neighborhood Rd. Kingston N.Y. 12401
From: mg@chorus.chorus.fr (Michel Gien)
Newsgroups: rec.running,chorus.rec.cac
Subject: New York Marathon
Date: 28 Dec 92 10:45:53 GMT
Reply-To: mg@chorus.fr
Followup-To: rec.running
Organization: Chorus systemes, 6 av. Gustave Eiffel, 78182 Saint-Quentin-en-Yvelines, France

We're a small group here at Chorus in France who would like to run the New York
marathon in November. Anyone could give us a hint on where and how to get
registration information ?

Thanks,

Michel

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From: page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Thomas Page)
Subject: Re: Big Sur Marathon advice?
Keywords: Big Sur Marathon, California, help wanted
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 17:02:57 GMT

I would not expect a PR at Big Sur, but I wouldn't rule out running it based
on its hills.  I have not done it, but several friends have and they love it.
Based on their experience, you could probably expect to run between 12
and 15 minutes slower than your best due to the hills.
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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Eating on long runs
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:33:54 GMT


In article <BzMBMy.2Hyr@austin.ibm.com> spit@austin.ibm.com (John F. Spitzer) writes:
>
>Thanks to everyone who replied for all the advice!
>
>I ran 24 miles on Saturday and didn't even come close to bonking!
>I carbo-loaded the night before:  tortillas, beans, rice, and bananas.
>The morning of the run, I drank a generous glass of juice and hit
>the trail.  During my run, I only drank water.  I wasn't even that
>hungry after the run!
>
>Now another question...  I'm following Galloway's marathon schedule
>for a 3:30 marathon (hey, it's my first!)  He doesn't give any in-
>dication of what pace to set on the long slow runs.  My goal pace
>is 8 minutes/mile, and I was running between 9 and 10 minutes/mile
>on my long run.  Is that okay?  My speed training's going fine, but
>I'm still worried about overdoing it on race day and bonking at the
>20 mile mark :^(  What are y'all's experiences with putting the 
>speed and distance training together on race day?

Yes, an important thing to learn in marathon running is running with
lots of other people.  A trendency is to get excited and do the first
couple hours faster than you may have trained for.  Then one may bonk
into the third or fourth hour.   Pace yourself to 9 minute miles your
first marathon then.  If you do OK, then try faster in future marathons.
From: jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Clinton mediocre runner?
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:54:47 GMT
Organization: AT&T

This letter appeared in the New York Times a little while ago:

	Clinton's Other Run

	To the Editor:

	   In a Nov. 27 news article, you characterize President-elect
	Clinton's race time of 24:16 in a five-kilometer run as "fair
	at best" and a "mediocre jog." His pace per mile was 7 minutes
	and 50 seconds. I have been running for 20 years, and can
	assure you that a 7:50 pace is quite respectable and certainly
	not mediocre. To paraphrase Vice President Quayle, "if Bill
	Clinton can govern as well as he jogs, we'll be all right."

	Edwin A. Salsitz
	New York, Nov. 30, 1992

---
Joe Knapp   jmk@cbvox.att.com
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: raterink@pasadena.jsc.nasa.gov (keith raterink 283-4133)
Subject: Chicago New Year's Runs??
Organization: MDSSC
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:08:55 GMT


Hey all,

     I will be in Chi-town over New Years and was wondering if there are
any cool runs that weekend???

         Thanks for the help.......

                     Keith E. Raterink
                     raterink@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov
                     TRY-a-TRI

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