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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Nordiques 7, Sabres 3
Keywords: hockey, men's professional
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:32:21 GMT

clarinews@clarinet.com writes in clari.sports.hockey:
>
>	QUEBEC (UPI) -- Joe Sakic scored four goals Tuesday night to 
>power the Quebec Nordiques to a 7-3 victory over the Buffalo Sabres.
>	Buffalo's Pat Lafontaine scored two goals to push his season 
>total to 45 in 56 games. 
>	There were eight power-play goals in the game. Quebec was 
>5-of-6 on the power play and Buffalo 3-for-3.

Nine penalties in all, and yet on the ESPN highlight clips they made
it sound like a bloodbath -- they started it with the Sabres piling on
top of an enraged member of the audience who tried to jump into their
bench after running across the ice, some players pulling his sweater
over his head and then Bob Ray starts flailing away at the poor guy!
Was the spectator drunk or what?  Nine penalties doesn't make it seem
like a rough game unless there was some kind of outrageous cheap-shot
on Sakic or something ... so wha'appened???

Oh, and there was no penalty assessed to Ray for the incident. (-;

gld
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From: kdc@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: DON CHERRY ON RON MACLEAN
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:49:38 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada


For those fans of Coach's Corner with Cherry & Maclean:
 (from a booklet "Viewer's Guide" handed out at a JETS game a couple of
  weeks ago)
  "It was our very first Coach's COrner and I walked into the studio
 to see this skinny guy sitting there.  Just before we go on, I asked
 the kid what he's been doing and he tells me he did the weather in 
 Red Deer. I'm thinking, this is going to be great.  We sit down and,
 unbeknownst to me, he'd been told to avoid his habit of looking up and
 down.  He was told to look me in the eye and not to blink.  So he's
 staring at me, like sideways and I'm talking, suddenly, there's a tear
 falling down from his left eye which is - and I' not kidding about this -
 three inches long.  Tears are streaming down the side of his face and
 three-million people out there.  I'm wondering, is this kid going to
 cry every time he goes on with me?  I had to keep right on talking and
 finish the Coach's Corner myself."
 
  Ken De Cruyenaere  - U of M
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From: george glover <gglover@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: PP Goal Lead and High-Stick Question
Reply-To: gglover@convex.COM (george glover)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, San Diego, CA., USA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:45:25 GMT
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In article <1992Mar20.125858.9527@acsu.buffalo.edu> bsk@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian S. Kazmierczak) writes:
>
>
>Anyway, a question on the Sabres-LA game last night. Dave Andreychuck was
>high-sticked behind the net. There was a stream of blood running down his
>face and all over his jersey right after that. Paul Stewart came over,
>looked at the blood, then went to the penalty box and called high-sticking.
>For only 4 minutes, tho. I had thought that high-sticking and drawing
>blood was an AUTOMATIC 5 mins and a game. Unless there is part of the
>rule I am missing. Can anyone clear it up for me?
>
>
My understanding of the 5 minute rule is that the ref must call the penalty
if the infraction was INTENTIONAL.  However, if in the opion of the ref
the infraction was NOT INTENTIONAL he can call a double minor like he did.

regards,
George (getting out my fire extinguisher) Glover

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From: pkester@hooville.mitre.org (Peter Kester)
Subject: Re: What the world needs now is an AMERICAN TV CONTRACT.
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
	<1992Apr2.180224.27658@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1992 20:11:12 GMT

In article <1992Apr2.180224.27658@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>One of the things that have defeated a national TV contract, and has
>made local hockey coverage lucrative, is that many American fans are
>fans of their team and not so much of this sport (unlike baseball,
>etc. where they would watch the championships).

I believe this is a catch-22.  If there was national TV coverage, fans
would be exposed to more teams (like baseball, football, etc) and
eventually would watch games not involving their favorite team.  When
ESPN carried the NHL, it seemed people were beginning to view
professional hockey as a North American sport rather than a regional
one.  But the Ziegler saw this happening and quickly stepped in to
remedy the situation by given the TV contract to SC.

>                      What about All-Star game preemptions this year
>and last?  It was on NBC ... but I believe that many Virginia NBC
>affiliates didn't show it -- am I correct?

The DC NBC affiliate showed the All-Star game this year.  Last year,
however, I was in Charlottesville, VA where the local cable carried
two NBC affiliates (Charlottesville and Richmond) and neither showed
the All-Star game.

At least ESPN is carrying the NCAA finals Saturday.

Pete
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From: csrag@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Adirondack (AHL) info needed on players!
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:53:47 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services


Anyone have any information on the Adirondack Red Wings in the AHL?

I'm interested in knowing how a couple of 1991-92 Toledo Storm players
are doing.  Namely, Dave Flanagan and Bob Boughner.  Thanks in advance!

Rob



 
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From: mpreslar@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Martin Preslar)
Subject: Re: Most popular athletes
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:22:59 GMT

rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes:

>In article <1992Apr14.125437.1@sask.usask.ca>, chin@sask.usask.ca (Glenn Chin) writes:
> Most popular athletes in NHL cities/regions (one athlete per team per region)
>|> 									Apr/92
>|> 		Most popular		Second most popular

>|> Detroit	Isiah Thomas		Steve Yzerman

>	Barry Sanders?

What about Cecil Fielder and Alan Trammel (sp?).  There are just too many
to choose two that are most popular in most major markets, especially ones
like Detroit and Chicago where all 4 major sports have strong fan support.

For Detroit I would say:
Fall:
		Barry Sanders		Cecil Fielder (If Tigers are in 
					pennant race)

Winter
		Isiah Thomas		Steve Yzerman

Spring
		Cecil Fielder		(which ever of the winter top two
					is in the playoffs :-)

Summer
		Cecil Fielder		Alan Trammel (no other competition).

Marty
Go Wings!!!!!
From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: So long, Stanley Cup playoffs
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:52:51 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <cdt7gui00Uh7I48Fo0@andrew.cmu.edu> Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>*Granted, from what we know, the owners refused to talk all season.
> The players decided to strike at the time when the owners could
> make the most money (and the players the least amount of money.
> Playoffs do not make the players rich).  I can understand that the
> players felt they had to hit the owners where it hurts the most.
> But I'm also PO'd that the players have made their money for the
> season.  I think I'd respect them a little more if they had waited
> until the beginning of next season, when they would have gone without
> their paychecks.

It doesn't bother me that they were paid before they struck.  For the strike to
be effective, the players had to strike at the most vunerable time for the 
owners.  And that time is the playoffs.  Personally, I'd think it be better
damn stupid of them to strike at the beginning of the season.  That would
play right into the owners' hands.

The owners would feel even less pressure to negotiate if the players stuck
prior to the season.   They may lose money on concession sales, but they'd
save in player salaries.

I also doubt they'd be as willing to give back season ticket money.  They'd
say things like "We're working to salvage the season, so we so no need to
refund your money at this time.  If games are not played, you can put that
money towards next season."

In fact, they could use it as an excuse to lay off people working in the
offices, and could place the blame on the players.  ("There are no games,
so we really don't need so many people selling tickets...")

Hey, the owners would love a regular season strike.  It would save them a 
bundle.   


Lori
From: cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Perfect record??
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:57:41 GMT
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada

In article   writes:
>
>Does anyone know if there has ever been a team with a perfect record
>during the regular season?  Either 80-0-0 or some variation of:  #-0-#.
>
>Michelle

I do know that it's never happened in hockey.  I don't know about other sports.
I would assume that Montreal's 60-8-12 record comes closest in an 80 game
season.

In football, the Miami Dolphins went 15-0 one season (I think it was 15 games
that year...)

--Dave

PS. Sorry to bring football into this   :-)
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From: ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Subject: Re: FLYERS notes 4/1
Summary: CHANGE THE FRICKIN' SUBJECT TITLE!
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 18:00:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.172115.4539@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:

>Isn't this just great!  Two clowns arguing about whether an apology
>is in order, another one getting involved to tell one of the others
>to give it a rest, and then some idiot quotes all 100 lines of that
>article just to add, "thank you".

>If you guys want to continue, go right ahead.  BUT CHANGE THE
>FRICKIN' SUBJECT TITLE ALREADY.  It no longer has anything to do
>with the Flyers.

>Can you tell I'm upset about the strike?

>                                         \ \
>Joe Dakes                                 \/\
>AT&T Microelectronics                      \/\
>555 Union Boulevard                         \ \
>Allentown, PA  18103                     LET'S GO FLYERS! 
>alux5!jmd                                     \ \
>                                               \ \__________
>                                                \____/_//__/

I'm the idiot who copied all 100 lines and added, "thank you." So sorry for 
wasting all that space, Joe.   

Speaking of wasted sapce...  

I couldn't tell you were upset about the STRIKE what with the 8 lines of 
your cute widdle hockey stick emblazened with a very creative "LET'S GO 
FLYERS" across it. (Are you a member of Ziegler's marketing team?)

Tell me Joe, why are you, as a Flyers fan so upset about the STRIKE?  If 
memory serves me, the last time the Flyers actually PLAYED hockey at this 
time of year, the Caps beat them in a seven game OT thriller.  Your beloved 
Flyers fired Mike Keenan, kept Rick Tocchet, and haven't been heard from 
since. 

If I were a Flyer fan, the end of the strike wouldn't be near as important 
to me as fielding a team that can someday, hopefully, make a go of it in a 
league where 16 of the twenty-two teams make the playoffs.

And let's don't hear about the playoff system being unfair.  And if you do
want to talk about it, how about taking your own advice this time 
around and change the "frickin'" subject title. 

Perhaps you can use your obvious creativity and come up with something 
like "WHINING, SNIVELING, & CRYING" or perhaps the more efficient 
"FLYERS NOTES."

Warren (aka "idiot")

GO CAPS!

(And yes, Joe, I know the Flyers won the season series against the Caps this 
year....But, Joe those are regular season games and nobody outside of Philly 
and the owners bargaining committee cares too much about these games.)
From: p_emond@pavo.concordia.ca (NAME PATRICK EMOND)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: UD hi # set
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:08:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


 About the UD high set--the sleeper in the set will be the Ryan Sittler card 
 from the Junior Championships. He'll be a high pick in this summer's draft and
 his card should take off soon. The 'bloodlines' card with Pavel and Valery
 Bure should be hot (Valery is rumored to play as well as Pavel). 

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  Concordia u.     |   Too sexy for my shirt       UD lo, 91-92
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From: jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu (James J. Murawski)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Pens, Martha meet to discuss strike
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:00:55 GMT
	<204660@unix.cis.pitt.edu>
Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


On 09-Apr-92 in Re: Pens, Martha meet to di..
user Joseph R. Mcdonald@unix. writes:
>On a related note:  How many Pens fans respect Howard Baldwin more now than
>they did 4 months ago?  I think throughout this strike he has demonstrating
>a genuine love of the game.  Do you really wish we still had Uncle Ed at
>the top?  Would Eddie have been as accessible to the players and media (and
>fans!) as Howie has been?  I don't think so.   Maybe he has silenced the
>doubters, maybe not.  I like him, and I think if more of the owners were
>like him and less like that asshole Wirtz, we wouldn't be in this mess
>right now.

I was for Baldwin right from the start, and I've yet to be disappointed.
The Pens players themselves said that if there were 22 Baldwins in the
league, the playoffs would be in progress now.

After last night's news that Ziegler & Goodenow will be meeting again today,
I have to think that Baldwin had a lot of input, from the owner's side, in
that marathon conference call between the owners.  As I said yesterday, I
think that owners like Baldwin and Norm Green will come out of this whole
situation looking good.  The Penguins organization is fortunate to have an
owner that cares about hockey now, instead of an owner that cares more about
football and shopping malls.  People have been saying that as a result of
this strike, maybe it's the beginning of the end for Ziegler.  We can only
hope that it's also the beginning of the end of Wirtz.

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    Administrative Systems              (412) 268-6868  [fax]
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Goals (show, TSN/SCA)
Date: 11 Apr 92 19:25:26 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Distribution: na
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)


I caught a TSN show on SCA last night that might be of interest to
some of you.  It's called "Goals" and concentrates on youth hockey
(juniors, college, international), trading cards, and training.  It
was on at 11:00 PM last night just after the Mets game overlay ended
(SCA is an overflow channel, and with a live Nets game on SCNY they
pasted the Mets game repeat over some USA Olympics propoganda show*).
Look for it on SCA, it's not bad ...


* Not a slam at Americans in Olympic sports, but this was a vehicle to
pump up one's patriotism enough to buy the Pay-per-view package.  I had
caught that as I was hoping that they'd carry the NHL press conference
live -- Not! )-;
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From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Kiss the playoffs goodbye
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:40:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada


I'm in complete agreement with Pete.  I've always been able to see both
sides in this dispute, and since I am in a 'smaller market' I have been
sensitive to lessening the draft and more liberalized free agency.  I have
come to accept Gerald's point on free agency, as long as it comes with
revenue sharing and some kind of salary cap.

But now, the players association has gone too far.  First, they pull out
this new issue late last week (card money).  Fine.  'We own our faces.' 
were comments that were printed in the local paper (I believe that they
were attributed to Goodenow and to Andy Moog.).  Fine.  But who owns the
rights to the team names that appear on those cards?  How about the rights
to the symbols on the uniforms, and in fact the uniforms themselves?  That's
the owners' property.  How many people are going to buy hockey cards that
have just the player's face on it, or him in street clothes?  Also, you
would have to be careful to make sure to not use any item that belongs to
the owners. (ie. Phil Housley's card would be a picture of him in a suit,
and say Phil Housley (Winnipeg) on it.  After all, it can't say Jets.)  It
might even be interesting to have it] known if they could even put player's
stats on it, after all, don't most of those come from the NHL guide, which
is a copyrighted publication of the owners?  Everyone can see how ridiculous
this can get.  Sure, the players deserve most of the money from cards, but
I don't think they deserve all of it.  Even so, the owners (the way things
were reported here in Winnipeg) agreed to give the players the money, and
Goodenow comes out three hours later and says that it's not good enough?
What?  You get exactly what you were saying you wanted, and now that's not
good enough?  I am beginning to think that the only way there is going to
be a negotiated ending to this strike is if the owners hire a psychic so
that they can find out what Goodenow REALLY wants.

    Daryl Turner <umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
    r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets
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From: migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey)
Subject: Re: Gary's spewing ...
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:17:56 GMT

 migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey) writes:
>>>> Just as an FYI:  Canadian universities do not have sports scholarships 
>>>> like US ones do.  You have to be admitted on your academic record.

Gary Newell writes:
>>> or are we to really believe that Canada or say some European country has a
>>> superior system?
>>> If in fact, anyone truly believes that I'd love to hear the justification
>>> for it - but perhaps a different group would be appropriate...

chin@sask.usask.ca (Glenn Chin) writes:
>>Where did Mike challenge the quality of American universities?  Mike made a
>>statement that US universities offer sports scholarships, and their Canadian
>>counterparts don't.
>>
>>We would like to know who made that superiority claim in rec.sport.hockey.

fafuria@der.Princeton.EDU (Frederick A. Furia) writes:
>It looks to me like Mike Godfrey is the one who implied it.  Unless the
>replying system put the wrong name in front of his claim.


I'd very much appreciate people not putting words in my mouth (although
thanks to Glenn Chin who did not misrepresent me).

Nowhere did I accuse the US post-secondary educational system of being
inferior to anyone else.  Here are some things I *did* say, verbatim:

	If my last article sounded a bit snotty, rest assured I was just
	trying to show the differences between the two post-secondary
	educational systems, rather than ragging at the US.  On the whole,
	I do prefer not having university sports scholarships, but that's
	my opinion.

	I don't see anything wrong with either scenario [US vs Canada 
	approach to sports scholarships].  The point is that they ARE 
	different.

So, Fred Furia and Gary Newell, I accept your apologies in advance.

-- 
Mike Godfrey   	           		"Either that wallpaper goes, or I do."
Dept of Comp Sci, UofT      	         	-- allegedly, the last words
migod@turing.toronto.edu			   of Oscar Wilde
From: bsk@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian S. Kazmierczak)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Fan Intervention
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:40:21 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <822@hsdndev.UUCP> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) writes:
>What's the problem, you don't have enough balls to mention my post?
>

I did mention your post. I figured most people would be able to figure out
which one I was referring to. You did.

>Most of your Sabres will have severe head traumas after the Bruins
>are done with that wimp squad. They were preparing for the Bruins
>by beating up on a helpless drunk. Ok,he was an idiot by going out
>there and sticking his nose where it didn't belong, but 3 on 1 plus
>a coach with a stick? That's savage!!! 

It sounded from your first post as if you were condeming the physical
style of play ON THE ICE (as I had refered to, NOT the beating up of the fan,
if you would have quoted my whole post)

The coach did not have the stick and, as I had mentioned, the picture I 
saw showed the coach pulling a player away from the fan. Did you even see
the incident?


Brian
From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: I need my fix!
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:00:23 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

I'm taking the "out of sight, out of mind" approach to all this.  I miss
hockey, but am doing other things to occupy my time.  Went to the Pirates-
Expos game the other night.  There were a lot of Pens fans there.  You could
tell which ones we were, we knew all the words to the Canadian national
anthem. :-)

Lori
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From: chin@sask.usask.ca (Glenn Chin)
Subject: CHL playoffs
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:56:06 GMT

1992 Canadian Hockey League playoffs


Ontario Hockey League
London		4-1	Owen Sound
North Bay	4-1	Belleville
Ottawa		4-2	Cornwall
Kitchener	4-3	Windsor
Niagara Falls	4-3	Detroit			
Sudbury		4-3	Oshawa			

North Bay	4-0	Sudbury
Niagara Falls	4-1	London
Peterborough	4-1	Ottawa
Sault Ste Marie	4-3	Kitchener

North Bay		Peterborough
Sault Ste Marie		Niagara Falls


Quebec Major Junior Hockey League
Shawinigan	4-0	Chicoutimi
Trois-Rivieres	4-0	Drummondville
Laval		4-2	Hull
Verdun		4-2	St. Hyacinthe

Trois-Rivieres		Shawinigan
Verdun			Laval


Western Hockey League
Kamloops	4-0	Tacoma
Prince Albert	4-0	Moose Jaw
Swift Current	4-0	Medicine Hat
Saskatoon	4-1	Lethbridge
Seattle		4-1	Tri-City
Spokane		4-2	Portland

Saskatoon	3-1	Swift Current
Seattle		3-1	Spokane

Kamloops		Seattle
Prince Albert		Saskatoon
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