From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: Hungarian? was Trumped-up charges against Suzanne. Demurrer #1.
Keywords: n~uk, n~uk, n~uk
Organization: Stay Awake Software
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:50:50 GMT

<nyikos.720806225@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
><1992Oct27.201502.17120@coopsol.com> gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga) :
>><nyikos.719599511@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) said:
>>><fT3b0qt@quack.sac.ca.us> pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:
>>>>In article <nyikos.719174781@milo.math.scarolina.edu> 
>>>>nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
>>>>>In <BvvB49.Dv4@inews.Intel.COM> 
>>>>pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey) writes:
>>[a lot of drivel about how the Hungarian translation is somehow superior
>>to the Hebrew translation of the OT is deleted]         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Gordon deleted no such statement by me, because I made no such statement.

Didn't say you made that statement.  I summarized the basic "argument" you
presented.

>I did not even claim that the Hungarian translation is superior to the
>original Hebrew.  

I stated that Suzanne Forgach did not fully understand the actual words of
her bible (it actually says "thou shalt not murder", not "thou shalt not
kill").  You attempted a defense of her by bringing up the "fact" that the
Hungarian bible doesn't have the correct reference either.  As though that
was supposed to impress us all, or provide any excuse for her not being
aware of what the bible really says when she wants to base everyone's
lives on it.

>                  [What does Gordon mean, "the Hebrew translation"?  Does

Gordon means the English translation of the actual Hebrew.

>he dispute Paul Harvey's Clue #3?  Good day!].

No Peter.  *I'm* aware that Jesus was not Hungarian.

>>>>WHAT! ARE YOU CLUELESS! CLUE#3: THE MOSAIC LAW WAS WRITTEN IN HEBREW! Do
>>>>you have any idea what that means?
>>>
>>>It means you are repeating yourself.  Good thing Clue #4 is worded
>>>differently, otherwise you'd really be boring us.
>
>>IOW, he's clueless.
>
>Ipse dixit.

Gesundheit.

>>>>CLUE#4: THE MOSAIC LAW WAS ***NOT*** WRITTEN IN HUNGARY!!!!
>>>
>>>Clue #5: The Mosaic law was not written in English either, yet Gordon
>>>	Storga is sure his translation, whose very identity he is 
>>>	keeping a closely guarded secret (though he does indulge in a
>>>	bit of misdirection about Cecil B. Demille) beats the pants
>>>	off the translations I have given.  Ditto Steve Novak.
>
>>A)	I am not keeping "my translation" a closely guarded secret.  I
>>don't recall you ever asking before.
>
>Too bad.  Here it is.  Do you want attributions, Greenwich Mean Time, 
>the works?   I can provide them, but I did not want to make this post
>longer than necessary:
>
>#> Storga
># Nyikos
>
>#>Strange how I found out the actual translation 20 years ago when engaged
>#>in bible study for a few years, yet Suzanne (who has based her entire life
>#>and the lives of her children on the teachings of the bible) hasn't
>#>learned the proper translation and commandments.
>
>#Okay, I guess I am showing my age when I said "decade or two".  Which
>#translation did you discover this in?  And who gave you the authority
>#to say that it is the "actual translation"?

Oops!  You are right.  However, I did respond to this already.  I even
took the time to write to you on my birthday.  I deleted most of this
repost since it was several hundred lines before it got to the relevent
part.

*** repost ******************************************
From gordons Tue Oct  6 20:18:50 PDT 1992
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Trumped-up charges against Suzanne. Demurrer #1.
Summary: Peter Mason better file for appeal.
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Stay Awake Software
Keywords: kill, murder, translation, homicide

Since Peter objects to my editing of his posts I'll try to leave as much
in as I can.  But I warn you: It makes for a long post.

<nyikos.718380256@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
....
>Okay, I guess I am showing my age when I said "decade or two".  Which
>translation did you discover this in?  

It came up during bible study.  I don't recall the exact translation but
it was one of the Jehovah Witness bibles.

*** end repost ******************************************

Actually, the specific translation was dated 1961.  Oh, but this was when
you were having machine problems, wasn't it?  Tsk, tsk.  No wonder you
weren't aware I responded already.  In fact, I responded to quite a few of
your posts to which I never got any response.

>>B)	You are being purposely deceitful. 
>
>I would like to know what you are basing this slander.

You supplied the answer:

>> You know why I made the
>>Demille reference.  You had stated that the "shall not murder"
>>translation was a recent translation (20 yrs).  In Demille's "Ten
>>Commandments" his "god" gives Moses the commandments and uses "shall
>>not murder", not "shall not kill".  The TC was made far earlier than 20
>>years ago, hence this translation is not "recent".
>
>Late '50's release still qualifies as recent.  The TC is 30+ years old, not
>40+ years old as you say below.

1956.  My typo - I meant 30+.  Believe me, it's a typo.  I know I'm not
40+.

>This is the first time I've seen you claim that this is what
>the movie said.  Before, you mumbled [figure of speech, not to be taken
>literally] something about this being the
>best of your recollection.

When you get to my age you tend to qualify your statements.  I wasn't
about to rent a three hour movie just quote it to you.

>>Heck, if you can use a *Hungarian* translation to try to prove what the
>>real Hebrew meant, I can use a 40+ year old movie to prove mine. :-)
>
>Are you implying that Cecil B. Demille is as much an authority as a team
>of translators with special training?  

I guess so, since he got it right and your Hungarian translators got it
wrong.

>                                       As to "attempt to prove", my aims
>were much more modest.  I used the Hungarian translation for illustrative
>purposes, as a jumping-off point to the question of how it has been 
>translated into other languages.  

We knew that already.  Maybe you weren't aware of it, but I think most of
the regular viewers here were slightly aware that the bible has many
translations.  The one we were refering to was the *correct* one, not the
Hungarian one.  We weren't interested in the Hungarian translation. Your
bringing it up was a transparent attempt at obfuscation.

>>Pro-abortion, Pro-person, Pro-women's-rights and ex-boytoy of Susan, Muriel,
>>Cathi, Nora, Jennifer, Sarah, Lynn, Diana (catwoman), Diana (Sorceress),
>> Beth, 
>
>I only recall Beth agreeing to the designation "ex-boyfriend".  Did she
>also agree that you could call yourself her ex-boytoy?

Ask her.


Gordon
Pro-abortion, Pro-person, Pro-women's-rights and ex-boytoy of Susan, Muriel, 
Cathi, Nora, Jennifer, Sarah, Lynn, Diana (catwoman), Diana (Sorceress), Beth 
"CJ", and Nadja, and married to a goddess among women, and proud of it.
[space reserved for alternate ex-girlfriends Eric R. and Drieux]
-- 
The opinions expressed are my own, and not the beliefs or opinions
of whatever company you think I work for.  So there, thhhbbbt!
Message to Kodak:  Freedom for Dan Bredy.
Newsgroups: talk.abortion