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From: jds@sequent.com
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: How do I catch a woodpecker?
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:04:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr9.080431.18966
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Apr8.083514.1605@doug.cae.wisc.edu> niemi%astroatc.UUCP@cs.wisc.edu (Bob Niemi) writes:
>In article <1992Apr2.084345.27689@doug.cae.wisc.edu> you write:
>>
>>For the past month, a woodpecker has been coming around between
>>7:00 a.m. - 8:15 a.m. and pecking the hell out of my house.  I
>>already tried putting up owl decoys and stuff like that but that
>>only worked temporarily.  I want to kill the woodpecker but I can't
>>very well run out of my house and shoot it because my neighbors might
>>see me and report me or something like that.  Does anybody have any
>>ideas on how I can put some sort of trap on my roof to catch Woody?
>>I know they eat bugs, but is there anything else they eat that I could
>>use to lure Woody into a trap or something?  HELP!!
>
>My neighbor patched up the holes, then hung tinfoils strips (about 2 by 8
>inches) from a string.  The fluttering in the breeze seemed to discourage
>them.  I have had flickers hammer my (metal) chimney.  Really wakes you up.
>Good Luck.
>
>Bob Niemi, Astronautics, Madison, WI  ...uwvax!astroatc!niemi

  I wonder if the motion sensor floodlights that everyone is using now for
home security would scare them if mounted in the right place? I suppose you
could pretty easily hook up some kind of noise maker instead of the lights
to the sensor as well.
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From: shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer)
Subject: Re: .22 centerfires for deer?
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Date: 8 Apr 92 08:12:48 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

>     The basic premise of .22 centerfire advocates is, as was
>stated, that they have energies comparable to those of handgun
>calibers which are used to take deer.  That is true; I have the
>same ballistic tables as everyone else.  However, energy is only
>one (admittedly important) criterion of a bullet's performance
>on game.  Another one is the construction of the bullet itself.

Not to mention that the .44mag makes a wee bit larger hole.

				mike


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From: gasson_a@med.wcc.govt.nz (Gas)
Subject: Re: Self righteous ranting and moderators
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wellington, New Zealand
Date: 8 Apr 92 08:28:36 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Apr7.120801.6936@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, ses@hpfcls.fc.hp.com (Steve Speer) writes:
> If your collecting votes, I'd like to see the long range shooting
> debate stopped in rec.hunting.  If I want to listen to a bunch of self
> righteous "you don't live up to my standards" B.S. I can post a
> hunting article to a non-moderated group.  I suggest you do have the
> "groups" permission/authority to respectfully decline articles that
> attack another hunters character with the childish drivel that people
> like Chris Barnes and Steve Pickett have submitted.  The articles may
> as well have been arguing the ethics of archery, black-powder,
> crossbow, etc.  They clearly did not fall in the realm of "I'd like to
> offer some opposing viewpoints for those hunters not already
> thoroughly versed in the topic" (Actually, this is exactly how Bart
> Bobbitt replied, which is far more useful and less agravating than the
> raving posted by the Cal/Tex juveniles).
> 
> My personal oppinion is that I have not yet met the marksman who can
> place one shot at AROUND 1200 yards with enough consistency to justify
> firing at a big game animal.  My own knowledge of ballistics leads me
> to believe that there are two many variables that change with time for
> someone to pull this off regularly.  The longest shot I've fired at a
> big game animal is 200 yards.  I probably wouldn't go over 300 and
> that would be broadside with a rest on a calm day with a lot of time
> to get set.  On the other hand, I paced off my longest prarie dog this
> weekend at 360 yards.  Longest head shot was 270 yds.
> 
> 	-Steve

I agree wholeheartedly with Steve this thread is getting a bit damn
tedious and not really getting anywhere. As with Steve I've never had
any reason to shoot over 30m usually although once i made a successful
200m shot. True most of NZ hunting is close bush hunting although we
do have Mountain himilayan Tahr and Chamois which you sometimes can
only get to within 300(maybe 400m at most) but like Steve it would
have to be a very calm day and I'd have had to have heaps of practice
to be anywhere near semi sure. Anyway this isn't adding anything new
except a vote with Steve that maybe new articles should get on to
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From: jheath@fieldofdreams.npirs.purdue.edu (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Moderator's comment on woodpeckers
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:46:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr15.084639.20107
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

>From article <1992Apr13.083633.10597@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, by jds@sequent.com (Jerry Simmering):
> In article <1992Apr10.092300.28075@doug.cae.wisc.edu> you write:
>>I have also been discouraged by the replies to the woodpecker thread.
>>I am beginning to wonder why I even let the original post through
>>since it has nothing to do with hunting.  I was hoping that the
>>rec.hunters would provide some nonlethal suggestions.
>>
>>However, I am getting more encouraged.  After one or two posts
>>suggesting a .22, numerous replies have pointed out how unethical and
>>illegal that would be.   I believe the condemning replies are more
>>typcial of hunters.
>>
>>I have decided to stop this thread.  It has left the realm of
>>rec.hunting.
>>
>>Tim Rigg (Moderator of rec.hunting) 
>>
>>
> 
>   Tim - you might suggest that the original poster ask the rec.birds
>   group for advice. I read that group and there are quite a few very
>   knowledgable individuals there. I know there are better ways to approach
>   this problem than killing the bird.
>

A similar woodpecker problem was also a long running thread in
the rural (misc.rural?) group last fall, someone might remember
if they found a solution.


-- 
"Land of song, said the warrior bard,           Jim Heath
Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas More)
From: hunter@s07.es.llnl.gov (Steve Hunter 423-2219)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Woodpeckers
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:04:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr9.080422.18933
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

>> I have had flickers hammer my (metal) chimney.  Really wakes you up.

	While walking to my office one morning, I heard this strange
metalic banging. It would start and then stop before I could locate
the source of the sound. Not being in a real hurry (I was heading to
my office remember :-), I waited around until I located the source
of the sound. Finally, I saw the bird hammering away on one of our
10 meter satellite dishes.

	Steven Hunter
	Seismic Observatory
	Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
	StevenHunter@llnl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: HUDSON%EIVAX@UALR.EDU (Keith Hudson)
Subject: Re: Grizzly hunting
Date: 13 Apr 92 08:36:07 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

>...advice on Grizzly capable calibers... . I expect it to be a
>once-in-a-lifetime event... .

OOOOHHHH, I seeeee.  It REALLY could be! (-8)

Sorry Craig, but I couldn't help myself.

Keith
From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Woodchuck question
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:53:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr14.085343.22466
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Apr13.083559.10465@doug.cae.wisc.edu> you write:
= 
= The ammo I use on wood or rock chucks generally doesn't leave enough
= 'chuck to do anything with.  I leave them for the coyotes and badgers.
= I understand that woodchucks are reasonably good eating. They have a
= body makeup sort of like pork - lots of fat in the muscle.  You might
= try a woodchuck roast. If it tastes good - post your results.

Good idea!  And how about stuffing the critter?

And please do post your results.


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: rbutler@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Randy Butler)
Subject: Re: How do I catch a woodpecker?
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:23:23 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Apr9.080412.18900@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, ceng@mdd.comm.mot.com (Curtis Eng) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr8.083504.1572@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, ceng@mdd.comm.mot.com (Curtis Eng) writes:
|> |> In article <1992Apr7.120835.7039@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, webdw@mvutd.att.com (Bruce D Woods) writes:
|> |> |> 
|> |> |> Get up early in the am with your rifle w/ .22 birdshot.  One shot
|> |> |> that doesn't make much noise and the problem is gone.  (A termite
|> |> |> exterminator ???)
|> |> |> 
|> |> |> BDW
|> |> 
|> This sounds like a very attractive idea.  I know Remington makes a .22
|> shotshell because I've used some before.  After Woody torments me and
|> I run out to chase him away, he goes into some trees just off to the 
|> north of me.  These trees are about 20 to 60 yards away from the side
|> of my house which has a nice convenient window that I can assassinate
|> Woody from, but this range is too far for my weeny pellet gun but perfect
|> for my Ruger 10/22.  My next question is this.  How far will .22 shotshell
|> keep a tight pattern and what is the hazardous range of the stuff? (there
|> are some houses about 150 yards behind the trees).

-- 

All I want to know is what the heck does killing a protected bird have to
do with rec.hunting?

Randy Butler :-)
NCSA
From: webdw@mvutd.att.com (Bruce D Woods)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: How do I catch a woodpecker?
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:08:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr7.120835.7039
Organization: AT&T
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Apr6.092209.8965@doug.cae.wisc.edu> frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com writes:
>In article <1992Apr2.084345.27689@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, ceng@mdd.comm.mot.com (Curtis Eng) writes:
>> 
>> For the past month, a woodpecker has been coming around between
>> 7:00 a.m. - 8:15 a.m. and pecking the hell out of my house.  I
>> already tried putting up owl decoys and stuff like that but that
>> only worked temporarily.  I want to kill the woodpecker but I can't
>> very well run out of my house and shoot it because my neighbors might
>> see me and report me or something like that.  Does anybody have any
>> ideas on how I can put some sort of trap on my roof to catch Woody?
>> I know they eat bugs, but is there anything else they eat that I could
>> use to lure Woody into a trap or something?  HELP!!
>
>  I have no suggestion as to rid your woodpecker but if bugs are what they
>  eat, Woody could be trying to tell you something.  Might be a good time
>  to talk to a termite exterminator.  Only trying to help out.....


Get up early in the am with your rifle w/ .22 birdshot.  One shot
that doesn't make much noise and the problem is gone.  (A termite
exterminator ???)

BDW
From: frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: How do I catch a woodpecker?
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:22:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr6.092209.8965
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Apr2.084345.27689@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, ceng@mdd.comm.mot.com (Curtis Eng) writes:
> 
> For the past month, a woodpecker has been coming around between
> 7:00 a.m. - 8:15 a.m. and pecking the hell out of my house.  I
> already tried putting up owl decoys and stuff like that but that
> only worked temporarily.  I want to kill the woodpecker but I can't
> very well run out of my house and shoot it because my neighbors might
> see me and report me or something like that.  Does anybody have any
> ideas on how I can put some sort of trap on my roof to catch Woody?
> I know they eat bugs, but is there anything else they eat that I could
> use to lure Woody into a trap or something?  HELP!!

  I have no suggestion as to rid your woodpecker but if bugs are what they
  eat, Woody could be trying to tell you something.  Might be a good time
  to talk to a termite exterminator.  Only trying to help out.....
From: unr!pyramid.unr.edu!adams@uunet.UU.NET (Brian Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: varmint hunting in Nevada
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:04:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr9.080403.18866
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno  Department of Computer Science
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Apr3.080026.15259@doug.cae.wisc.edu> cower@csli.stanford.edu (Richard Cower) writes:
>
>I was talking with a shooting friend yesterday, and he mentioned that
>to hunt varmints in Nevada no license is required. Is this true?
>
>...thanks...rich cower

Yes, it's true. I called NDW a couple of weeks ago and was told that I
needed NO license for: jackrabbits, coyotes, rockchucks, ground
squirrels.  Other species may be permitted that I haven't mentioned
since I didn't take a careful list.

If the coyote pelts are to be sold, a trapping permit is required. I
don't know what one costs.

Incidently, crows are protected in Nevada, period.

I will call the rangers again and if any of the above is erroneous, I
will be sure to post a correction.

Brian Adams
From: infmx!gregm@uunet.UU.NET (Greg Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: .22 shot shells
Date: 17 Apr 92 12:34:52 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Apr16.092338.18500@doug.cae.wisc.edu> keith@clodII.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd) writes:
>Greg Mitchell writes:
>> About .22 shot shells .....
>
>  The truth is though, Greg, that shot shells are more commonly known as
>"rat shot" and is really intended for pestilence such as mice and small 
>snakes. I do not think it was ever intended for any game species bird or
>animal. Once again, to repeat what has been stated many times, use the 
>proper weapon for what you intend to take. But hey, the rat shot is fun
>to target practice with. Just be careful.
>
>Regards,
>
>Keith
>

Thanks.  You all might be able to tell that I am trying to avoid
buying a shotgun.  Its not because I don't want one, but that
I would rather save my money for a Contender or a Freedom Arms
.454 .  I really would like a shotgun.  It would be useful and ought
to be real fun with a clay disk launcher ( I don't really understand 
the fine points between trap and skeet except that trap is farther
away ).  I would like to hunt grouse and tree squirrels in my area
and don't think it would be a good idea at all to shoot .22 slugs
up into the trees even though there is almost no one around where
I would be shooting.

I am now convinced that I must use the shotgun for these hunting
activities.  Actually, I ought to be able to get a decent used
pump action for not too much money and a single shot for even less.

Thanks for all of the good advice from all who responded.


       Greg Mitchell            gregm@informix.com
From: 4ccvsh.asl.scg.hac.com!eden@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Jerry Eden)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Hunting of protected wildlife
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:46:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr15.084651.20141
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


If the group does not mind I would like to put my 2 cents into the pot
concerning the proposed killing of protected or endangered species,
specifically the woodpecker problem.

I have been a hunter since I was about fifteen years old when my older
brother would take me on some of his hunting trips. We enjoyed the out-
doors very much and that has continued to this day at age 44. There were
two incidents when I was about sixteen that turned me from a rifle hunter
to a bowhunter. These were two time that we were shot at luckly we were
missed both times. The second time I heard the bullet wiz by my ear. I
know that these probably were not intentional, but none the less very
unnerving. I have of late purchased several guns for hunting to get back
into this area of the sport. 

I have found it very disturbing all of the comments that have been made
concerning the woodpecker. I love to hunt and do not want that taken
away. These days and times all hunters have to bond together to make
sure that our ethics concerning this issue are supportive and do not
jeapordize our privilege to hunt. We, as hunters, should be more concerned
with this issue than the average person. We are more aware of the
environment and the effects of man and nature has on the habitat. We
do not want to give fuel the the anti-hunting forum. We do not want
them, even remotely, to think that we are not concerned as much as they
are with the animal world. We have been supporting the wildlife for many
many years by pumping in moneys from license fees and stamps that have
helped keep the habitats in balance. The anti-hunters have come along
in the last five years or so and do not help the habitats at all in fact
they are in favor of just letting them go on there own with no help. That
means an over flow of the environment. They are willing to let them starve.
This is not the answer.

We need to protect our rights and priviledges by standing up ourselves
and showing everyone our concern for the environment and the animal
kingdom.

As for the woodpecker problem-I am sure the humane society, forest service,
or any other similar agency can help with the problem.

Sorry for the soap box but I am very concerned with this issue.

Flames are expected....


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From: brian@pdx.csd.mot.com (Brian Vandewettering)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: T/C Contender
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:07:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr7.120748.6903
Organization: Motorola CSD, Beaverton, OR
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


In article <1992Apr1.100640.21827@doug.cae.wisc.edu> JJD118@psuvm.psu.edu (John Donovan) writes:
>
>I'm considering the purchase of a T/C Contender later this year. What
>I would like is any feedback from people that own/shoot this gun. My
>primary use will be hunting deer. 

I own a T/C in 7x30 Waters; however, I haven't considered using it to 
hunt deer.  Hunting for Blacktail in Oregon's rain forest is hard enough
I don't need a bigger challenge.

>I was wondering what calibers would
>be both powerful enough for a deer, and will not break my arm when I
>shoot it. 

The 30-30 class cartridges work nicely in the 14" barrels.  I chose the 
7x30 Waters for it's better trajectory.  BTW, it's just a necked down
30-30.

>  Ideas on barrel length? I've seen bbls from 10-16 inches. What is a
>good balance between velocity/accuracy and being cumbersome?

The 14" barrel is nice for velocity but impossible to shoot offhand.
I haven't tried the 10" barrel but it must be better.  My hands are 
too big to get both of them behind the trigger guard for a Weaver 
shooting position.  This leaves the taco hold which is a good way 
to push you shooting glasses into your forehead (ask my wife :-).

I'd say a muzzel brake or magna-porting would be a good idea as well
as a good set of plugs which cut noise above 90db.  

>   How good are the iron sights on the T/C? Should I consider a scope?

I'd get a two power scope for shooting out to 200 yards.  I currently 
own a 4x Leupold which works great if you can find a rest and worthless
if not.

>-john


-- 
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From: halvorsen_ralph@mac-mailserver.atc.ll.mit.edu ("Halvorsen Ralph")
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Bear hunting
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:45:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr15.084550.19932
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I know I'm a little slow with this info but N.H., Vt., Me., Ma., &
N.Y. all have seasons with N.H., Me., &N.Y. the most productive and
not in that order.  N.H. I know allows the use of dogs and Me. may,
although most of the hunters in Me. that I know use bait. Hope this
helps!
From: billyg@hubcap.clemson.edu (Brian Kirk)
Subject: Re: **Bear Hunting**
Organization: Clemson University
Date: 13 Apr 92 08:35:06 CDT
Summary: Some counties in West Virginia have bear hunting seasons.
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Some counties in West Virginia have bear hunting seasons.
It seems that bears are making a strong comeback in this area.
	 				-billyg





Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: liz@avalon.dartmouth.edu (Liz Bradley)
Subject: Re: How do I catch a woodpecker?
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:23:44 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

It is definitly illegal to blast woodpeckers! Try a hawk sillouhette
or an owl decoy (molded plastic owls available at better department
stores everywhere :-)

BTW, some of the fanatics on talk.politics.animals have been reading
this list and have commented about how unethical all of us hunters
are with regard to woodpecker shooting comments. Lets remember that
this is a public forum. Comments that promote the PERCEPTION of
criminality/unethicality in hunting should not be condoned here.

Besides, if you can't eat it, don't shoot it.

jerry


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: lovin@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Rich Lovin(MIS))
Subject: Re: Woodchuck question
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA
Date: 13 Apr 92 08:35:59 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Greetings from an Oregon 'chuck hunter,


The ammo I use on wood or rock chucks generally doesn't leave enough
'chuck to do anything with.  I leave them for the coyotes and badgers.
I understand that woodchucks are reasonably good eating. They have a
body makeup sort of like pork - lots of fat in the muscle.  You might
try a woodchuck roast. If it tastes good - post your results.


Rich Lovin, lovin@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com