From: farkas@qual.Eng.Sun.COM (Frank Farkas)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Why Anthony Rose Wouldn't Answer
Date: 23 Nov 1992 16:46:58 GMT
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Anthony Rose Responded regarding the Trinity issue:

>>Thank you for the information. Now, for your information, the prophet
>>Joseph Smith thought this understanding over 150 years ago.
>
>>From what source do you get that?  In "Teachings Of The Prophet Of
>Joseph Smith", compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, there is a speach by
>Joseph Smith that says that he ALWAYS taught that they were two separate
>GODS!  So how do you get thie doctrine out of that?

The prophet Joseph Smith taught that the word "one" in the passages where Jesus
referred to his relationship with his Father is more correctly translated
as "agree". 

For your information, the book titled, "Teaching of the Prophet Joseph Smith",
is only excerpts of his teachings. If you want, I get you the referrence
(I don't have it here).

I already explained that the plurality of the Gods refers to the personage,
and not to different godly qualities. God the Father, God the Son and God the
Holy Ghost are separate individuals, but they all posses the same Godly attributes.
There is only one Truth, on perfect love, one perfect mercy, one perfect knowledge,
one perfect judgement, etc. And all those who posses these attributes in their
perfections are Gods, even one God. This is how it is possible that Jesus Christ
can not only be a heir to the Father, but an actual inheritor, even so his Father 
has not died. The bestowal of Godly attributes doesn't diminish the Giver, nothing
is taken in the process. 

Col 1:19
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"For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;"

Col 2:9
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"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

Hebrews 1:8-10
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"But unto the Son he saith, Thy trone, O'God, is for ever and ever:.."

"Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity: therefore God, even thy 
God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness abovethy fellows."

"And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth;
and the heavens are the works of thine hands:"

The Father says regarding Jesus Christ:

1. He, Jesus, is his Son
2. He, Jesus, is God
3. He, the God of Jesus, anointed him (Jesus the God has a God, his Father)
4. He, Jesus, is the one who created the heavens and the earth

Now, will you, Anthony Rose, believe the "Word"? The Bible is plain on this
subject, unlike the orthodox Christian belief regarding the Trinity, which 
as you claimed, is incomprehensable.

I give you the challenge, to put aside all theological statements, and examine 
the record, the Bible, and read all passages dealing 
with the relationship between the members of the Godhead, and decide for your own 
self. To do it right, there are a few things needed:

#1 Open mind
#2 Must take all passages into consideration, both pro and con
#3 Don't disprove scripture with scripture, but resolve all apparent contridictions

If you do this, I am confident that you will come to a much different conclusion 
from your current belief.

With brotherly love,

		Frank



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