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From: kindred@telesciences.com (David L Kindred (Dave))
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: reloading .308 Winchester
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:03:17 GMT
Organization: Telesciences CO Systems, Inc.

In article <9209280259.AA06530@scorpio.ic.cmc.ca> keith@scorpio.ic.cmc.ca (Keith de Solla) writes:

   I am interested in what people are using to reload .308 Winchester.
   I will be reloading (in the near future) for casual target shooting
   and whitetail deer hunting with Remington 700 BDL.  I have a few
   questions:

I don't hunt, but I shoot .308 competitively, so here's my $0.02 worth:

   1. I reload 9mm & .357Mag on a Lee Challenger press (gotta get me
   a Dillon progressive...).  How much harder will loading rifle rounds
   be?  Will this press stand up to low volume .308 reloading or will
   I break it trying to resize the brass?

The only important thing here is to use enough case lube (don't get
any on the the shoulders though).  My friends and I have even reloaded
.308 (and other .30-06 like) cases with a Lee Hand Press.  Not fun,
but with the cases lubed we were able to size them.  Rounds fired from
your gun will, of course, need less sizing than some other brass.  I
once bought a batch of once-fired military that needed a LOT of
sizing, and hence a lot of lube to get into the sizing die.  If you
can find one, get a carbide expander ball for your sizing die, they do
help.  Otherwise you'll need a neck lube kit (some powdered graphite
and a brush to get it into the case neck).

   2. Any suggestions for powder and bullets (in addition to the info
   I already got from Henry)?

I have had some success with Winchester 760 (meters real nice), but
the most common .308 powder seems to be 4895.  I don't know exactly
how "casual" you mean, but it didn't take me long to realize that
loading anything less than Sierra MatchKing bullets was just a source
of frustration while target shooting.  Of course if you're staying at
200 yards or less a good Hunting bullet will give you reasonable
target accuracy.

   thanks.

You're welcome.
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From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Need help/info on mini-guns (Vulcan cannons)
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:56:38 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.

#bilgeoid@milton.u.washington.edu (Patricia Gellert) writes:
#
##What exactly is the difference between a "gun" and a "cannon" especially
##in the context of jet fighters?  It seems like there is more to it than
##just the caliber.

In common usage, a cannon fires explosive shells, while a (machine)gun
does not.  

The cannon's (explosive) shells tend to be larger than those of the
machinegun, say, as in 20mm or 37mm aircraft cannon as opposed to .303
or .50 machineguns, such as were typically used during WW2.

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From: kucloak@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bryan Kennedy Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Are there restrictions on carry in public places
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:03:49 GMT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <19238@smoke.brl.mil>, gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn) writes:
# 
# In article <199209281440.AA21774@tbird.cc.bellcore.com> sykes@donner.cc.bellcore.com (sykes,michael) writes:
# #If you have been granted a permit to carry concealed weapons are there
# #any places that you are not allowed to carry at all. (e.g. public places
# #such as malls, sports arenas, etc.) I would figure the police would 
# #give you such a hard time you might as well leave your weapon at home.
# 
# You really need to check the legal codes that have jurisdiction.
# For example, regardless of whether or not you have a permit to carry
# a handgun in the state of Maryland, it is illegal for anyone except an
# on-duty law enforcement officer to possess a firearm on or near public
# school grounds, in establishments where alcoholic beverages are served,
# in public gatherings, etc.  And citizens in general are not permitted
# to bring weapons into federal buildings.  I'm sure there are other such
# legal restrictions.
# 
# 
I was just wondering if there are any places that police officers are
not allowed to carry--federal buildings, etc.  I know the Fed's are
kind of paranoid of weapons in there presence.  They even took my Swiss
Army Knife away from me when I was in the federal court house.  I
guess they were thinking that I might use it to help someone escape.
Handing it two them so the would have something to use at the right
moment.  It never occured to me that it was a weapon.  

Just a question that occured to me as I am getting ready to apply to
several local departments.  [If anyone has any hints on application, I
would appreciate them. (Through E-mail please.  I would like to stay
on the moderator's good side.)]
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From: mcdphx!systemname!gcall@enuucp.eas.asu.edu (Glen Call)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Are there restrictions on carry in public places
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:02:56 GMT
Organization: Motorola Computer Group Marketing


In article <19253@smoke.brl.mil>, gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn) writes:
|> 
|> In article <1992Oct1.162818.9946@phx.mcd.mot.com> mcdphx!systemname!gcall@enuucp.eas.asu.edu (Glen Call) writes:
|> #Gee, I've known several people to carry small arms into banks for the purpose of
|> #storage in safety deposit boxes.  Is this then illegal?
|> 
|> Loaded?
|> 

I doubt it.  None of them walked out richer or went to Club Fed  :-) .
Seriously, these people are collectors and probably hadn't even cocked
the hammer on some of the weapons, let alone loaded and fired them.

How about it netters?  Anyone have any experience with storage of weapons
in safety deposit boxes?

Thanks,
Glen
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Glen Call                          Technical Marketing Systems Engineer
Motorola Computer Systems, Inc.    gcall@phx.mcd.mot.com or mcdapps!gcall
DISCLAIMER: The above is strictly my opinion.  I DO NOT SPEAK FOR MOTOROLA!
From: ljb@parkcity.dr.att.com (BLO54620-BonhamLJ(DR2194)240)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: shooting with contacts
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:58:51 GMT


|> I was out sighting in some rifles yesterday and noticed after an hour or
|> so that I was having a lot of trouble keeping both the scope hairs and
|> the target in good focus.  Also, while sighting with both eyes open,
|> eventhough my right eye is normally dominant, I would catch myself using
|> my left eye.  Has anyone else noticed problems with contacts or have any
|> words of wisdom regarding shooting with contacts?  I am considering going
|> back to glasses next time I go out shooting.  I am extremely nearsighted
|> which tends to make everything look smaller while wearing glasses, so I
|> think I would prefer using the contacts.

I wear contacts and shoot so I understand your problems.  First make sure you
blink your eys frequently when using them hard because when you concentrate for
long periods you blink less and the contacts dry out which causes blurring,
misalignment etc.  Second, if the problem persists, see your optometrist and tell
him/her the exact problem.  It also helps to wear shooting glasses because they
block the wind from drying the contacts when your outdoors.  If you're indoors,
the glasses can help a little in reducing the amount of air-bourne powder residue
which is deposited on the lenses.  Hope I helped.


Larry Bonham

Civilization is as yet just a theory.

[MODERATOR:  Let's not forget the safety aspects of wearing glasses!!  We
have repeatedly seen posts here telling how, even with air rifles, eye sight
was saved by having glasses on when a pellet bounced back.  I recently took
a .45 round, bounced off of steel plate, right in the right eye... that is,
right off my new prescription shooting glasses.  Not even scratched, I was
able to continue to drill (and focused on cleaning my shorts later), so I
assume it was pretty well spent.  Then there is the excess lead you might get
from a big gap in a revolver.... or the potential for an out of battery ignition
in a semi-auto... or a host of other problems.   Wear that eye protection,
kids!]
From: krehn@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (karl rehn)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: shotgun speedloader
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:39:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.81167
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


dd908821@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Douglas Deden) writes:
#shotgun magazine exist?  I envision something like a slightly curved
#tube that is aligned with the magazine, and then a plunger is pushed
#to move the shells from the speedloader to the magazine.  Does anyone

There is a company called Armstec that makes a shotgun speedloader
called the TecLoader.  They are widely used in IPSC 3 gun competition.
It consists of a bracket that mounts on the gun, and several plastic
tubes that hold 4 shells each.  A plunger in the tube pushes the shells
into the gun.  The kit also comes with 'mag pouches' so the tubes can be
carried on the belt.  I just ordered a bracket and 4 tubes for under $60.

#From what I've seen they're sort of awkward to use - but those that have
practiced with them can reload very quickly.

Karl Rehn
krehn@arlvs1.arlut.utexas.edu
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Rifling Twist Angles - stability
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:30:25 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <30SEP199208590643@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov> smpod@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan) writes:
#I thought that BC is proportional to mass/drag and going to larger but 
#relatively light bullets would increase drag faster than mass and therefore
#decrease BC.

Yes, but I don't think that was the suggestion: Rather to go to a similarly
shaped but larger caliber bullet. Balistic cross-section is mass/front area.
Increasing all the dimensions of a bullet by a factor of L will increase
it's mas by a factor of L^3, and its fronal area by a factor L^2, so the
balistic cross-section will increase by a factor of L.

                                               Frank Crary
                                               CU Boulder
From: dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu (Donald R. Newcomb)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: HELP WANTED: .303 -> .308 Conversion
Date: 2 Oct 92 11:38:46 GMT
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi

In article <"12177?Tue?Sep?29?14:19:39?1992"@bnr.ca> halk@bnr.ca (Hal (H.V.) Kauffeldt) writes:
#Recently, I purchased a used Lee Enfield rifle that had been converted
#from the original .303 to a .308 calbire, by means of a replacement
#barrel.  The rifle still uses the original .303 clip.

Rule #1. Always try the easy things frist.

I would try to find a magazine designed for an Enfield converted to .308 .
The magazine used in the L42A1 is quite different from the standard .303
magazine. Ask around in your area for one that you can borrow for just
long enough to test. If you can borrow one, inspect it to see how the
feed lips differ from the standard. You might be able to use it as a
guide to modify yours. You probably stand a better chance to find one
of these in Canada that we would in the US as the Lee-Enfield has always
been a "ferrun" gun down here.
-- 

Donald R. Newcomb
dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu
newcomb@usmcp6.bitnet
From: forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Advice Wanted:  CC
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:23:36 GMT
Organization: gte

In article <BvAq14.8uD@mail.boi.hp.com>, kmarko@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Kurt Marko) writes:
[...]
# 	* The gun came with two sets of grips, the standard Ruger wood which 
# 	  are quite small (and thus compact, but proably hurt like mad when
# 	  using Magnums, but for defense, who cares), and some nice
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
# 	  Pachmayr (or imitation) grips which will be great for practice.
# 	  It also has a 6 round cylinder, adjustible sights and came with 
# 	  a nice Bianchi (leather) holster.
# 
You should care!  Should you find it necessary to defend yourself, you
will be in a very excited state and you will need to be intimately 
familiar with how the gun works to avoid scaring yourself and to 
place successive shots accurately.

The extra punch to your hand from wood grips might well distract you
for a 1/2 second as you realize something is different, think about it
and understand it is the wooden grips: 1/2 of a second is more than time
to die in.

The second consideration is, IMHO, even more important.  With different
grips, the gun will handle differntly and the barrell will move differently
(likely to move more with wooden grips).  This means that follow-up shots
may miss the target and hit an innocent bystander.  If you screw up and
die, you probably won't mind much, but if you screw up and go to jail for
15 years, you're going to mind for a long time!  (Hell, even if you just
have to go through a trial for an accidental killing, you're going to 
have unpleasant feeling for a long time.)

The same goes for your ammo.  It doesn't *have* to be exactly the
same, but it should feel the same and shoot to the same point
of impact.  

As to method of carry, you should always carry in the same
place and you should practice drawing from the same place.

All this is because when the situation calls for lethal 
self-defense, there is seldom time to think -- your actions
must be pre-programmed, practiced, and immediate.  Any change
between practice and actual defense can cause you to hesitate
as your mind figures out "what's wrong."  Nobody needs to be
doing that while someone has you in their sights -- it just
aint healthy.

No flame intended, just want to make a life and death point.

-- 
"25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street with
no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy.  However, 4 out of 5 US murders are 
committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?"   -  Andrew Ford
gtephx!forda@enuucp.eas.asu.edu  OR  !uunet!samsung!romed!enuucp!gtephx!forda
From: mcdphx!systemname!gcall@enuucp.eas.asu.edu (Glen Call)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Lee Load-Master: Is it any good?
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:04:41 GMT
Organization: Motorola Computer Group Marketing


In article <root02700920827102150@hland.nullnet.fi>, root@hland.nullnet.fi (Timo Tuomi) writes:
|> Hi all,
|> 
|>  I'm about to begin handloading (caliber .38 Special, .357 Mag) and going
|>  to buy a progressive realoder. I have two brand to chhose from:
|>  Dillon RL 550 B and Lee Load-Master. The dealer who sells Dillons says to
|>  me: 'Don't buy Lee, it's no good', and the one who sells Lee says: 'Don't
|>  buy THAT Dillon, it's old, go ahead and buy Lee'.
|>  Lee Load-Master is over 40% cheaper than Dillon RL 550 B, and Lee is
|>  auto-indexing etc. But is Lee any good?
|>  So, I'd like to hear some opinions and facts about both of these reloaders.
|> 
|>  I'll post a summary later.
|> 
|> Thanks in advance,
|>         Timo Tuomi
|> 
|> Timo Tuomi, Helsinki, Finland !
|>      root@hland.nullnet.FI    !        This host is protected by
|>      ttt@purkki.apu.FI        !            Smith  &  Wesson.

Get the Dillon.  Period.  I have a 550B that is durable, easy to use, and
reliable.  I've never heard anyone say anything negative about Dillon.  Ever. 
Their stuff works, and they replace any piece FREE - no questions asked.  I know
someone who blew away their press with a 12 ga during a robbery.  Dillon
replaced it - gratis.  I lost an index pin during a move.  Dillon replaced it
gratis.  You might spend more up front, but you'll never regret it.

A fully satisfied customer,
Glen
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Glen Call                          Technical Marketing Systems Engineer
Motorola Computer Systems, Inc.    gcall@phx.mcd.mot.com or mcdapps!gcall

DISCLAIMER: The above is strictly my opinion.  I DON'T SPEAK FOR MOTOROLA.
From: dd@ra.cs.umb.edu (Dave Dunbrack)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: M1 Garand bayonet id, prices, etc.
Date: 30 Sep 92 11:27:51 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston, Dept of Math and CS


  I just picked up a bayonet for my M1, which I was told was a 
"dress bayonet". It has a highly polished finish, but I'm not
sure what the material is (chromed steel? polished stainless? nickel
plate?). It came with a black scabbard which has a very wide white
stripe around it (could be described as a white scabbard with black
ends). It has "AFH" stamped above the usual US marking on the blade.
  I'd imagine that this is more desireable than a standard issue
bayonet (mainly because I've never seen another one), does it have
a higher value? I saw a few issue bayonets (including a WT marked
1942 model with the 16" blade) at a gun show recently priced from
$75 to $90 (for the M1942) - isn't this a bit high? These were all
in exceptional condition and included scabbards. I've seen them
advertised for $40 in Shotgun News with conditions listed as "very good", 
could their excellent condition possibly account for the nearly doubled 
price?
  Any information about this item (who made it, who used it, years
produced, approx value, type of finish, etc.) would be greatly appreciated.

   Thanks,
    Dave

 
[MODERATOR:  The prices you cite do sound high.  I believe I've gotten new
versions of that bayonet for under $40.   Regardless... I don't precisely
know what AFH stands for, but I suspect it was forged in Ashtabula, Ohio.
I recently went though the process of restoring a bayonet left by my father
in his shop, an old blank left over from one of his first tasks in the forge
as a new employee there years ago; this blank was stamped AFH.]
From: pauly@netcom.com (Paul Yoshimune)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Beretta 96...
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:04:18 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Well, after putting some 400+ rounds through my 1911 tonight, I decided to
rent a Beretta 96, just for kicks...

As it turns out, I was quite impressed with it.  Despite the staggered
magazine, the gun was comfortable to hold, even for my somewhat small hands.
The 3-dot sights were easy to pick up, even in the low light indoor range.
The gun/rounds seemed to be pretty accurate (subjectively), and it was easy
to double-tap because the gun just seemed to fall back on target.  Point-    
ability was excellent, I thought.  My next gun is definitely going to be a
.40 S&W...

It was kinda bad only have 10 rounds in the magazine, though.  This is some- 
thing Mas Ayoob has pointed out in Guns and American Handgunner: the loss or
rounds compared to the 9mm.  The gun itself seemed light, though, and the
grips were kinda cheesy.  While I'm bitching, the controls seemed a bit on 
the small side.  But them again, I'm used to an extended thumb safety and
larger combat hammer.  Now I know why there's lots of satisfied Beretta 
(and Taurus) owners out there...

As an aside (and for the SIG people...): I saw a new P220 for $519 today.
Compared to the $450 for a used one and $639 for another new one I've seen,
this seems to be quite the deal.  Is it?  I haven't religiously followed the
market price on SIGs...

-- 
DVC,
  Paul

Paul Yoshimune
pauly@netcom.com

Xref: sparky rec.guns:13884 talk.politics.guns:21771
From: zeleny@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: rec.guns,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Pistol Permits in NYC
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:39:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: HUSC3.01GPMLDA833K8Y5OJR
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns

While perusing a copy of the New York Post, I came across the following ad:

PISTOL PERMITS 
One time 
LOW FEE
$275.00

Carry, Business, Home
Target, Armed Guard

We make it quick & easy.

All paperwork, pictures, discounts at Edelman's 
world's largest gun dealer.  1 year Free range.
Open 24 hours, 7 days. 3 payment plan M/C, Visa, & 
Amex. Carry permits good in N.Y. State. Safety
instruction. Refund if permit is denied.

WE ARE BY FAR THE LARGEST & OLDEST PISTOL SERVICE IN N.Y.

EDELMAN'S 
PISTOL PERMIT SERVICE

Call 24 Hrs
NYC office (718) 343-5711
 LI office (516) 752-0131

__________________________________________________________

Has anyone tried dealing with these people?  What's the scoop?
Do they really get you through the obstacles of the Sullivan Law?

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Nous donnons la mort, nous saurons la subir."
From: wdavis@bbn.com
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Murphy's Laws of Combat and Hunting
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:23:51 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc.

In article <199209251947.AA00367@dsuvax.dsu.edu> hotzc@columbia.dsu.edu
(CHRISTOPHER HOTZ) writes:
#Does anyone no where I can get a copy of Murphy's Laws of Combat and Murphy'
#s Laws of Hunting.

Here is a copy I have had for some time.  E-mail me
if you have any additions.  Heading font is New Century
Schlbk 24, and text is times, 14, italic.

MURPHY'S LAWS OF COMBAT

 1. If the enemy is in range, so are you.
 2.	Incoming fire has the right of way.
 3.	Don't look conspicuous, it draws fire.
 4.	There is always a way.
 5.	The easy way is mined.
 6.	Try to look unimportant, they may be low on ammo.
 7.	Professionals are predictable, it's the amateurs that are dangerous.
 8.	The enemy invariably attacks on two occasions:
	a.	When you're ready for them.
	b.	When you're not ready for them.
 9.	Teamwork is essential, it gives them someone else to shoot at.
10.	If you can't remember, then the claymore is pointed at you.
11.	The enemy diversion you have been ignoring will be the main attack.
12.	A "sucking chest wound" is natures way of telling you to slow down.
13.	If your attack is going well, you have walked into an ambush.
14.	Never draw fire, it irritates everyone around you.
15.	Anything you do can get you shot, including nothing.
16.	Make it tough enough for the enemy to get in and you won't be able to get
out.
17.	Never share a foxhole with anyone braver than yourself.
18.	If you're short of everything but the enemy, you're in a combat zone.
19.	When you have secured an area, don't forget to tell the enemy.
20.	Never forget that your weapon is made by the lowest bidder.
21.	Tracers work both ways.
22.	Everything depends on everything else.


Bill - NRA Life
"Eternal vigilance is the price of Liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
From: dlamber@andy.bgsu.edu (Don Lambert)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Rifle Calibers for Long Distance Shooting
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:04:03 GMT
Organization: BGSU University Computer Services

I still think for the money .308 Win is an excellent cartridge for 1000
yards. You can build on any type of reciever ( Long/Short ) , brass is
cheap and Serria makes a great 155gr BTHP for it.
From: C08926RC@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu (Rob)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Handgun Scopes
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:30:37 GMT

I will be acquiring a .44 Magnum revolver in the near future that
I intend to use for deer hunting.

What scope would you recommend?  The last scope I had was on a
.44 Magnum Contender, but it self-destructed after a few hot loads.
Are today's scopes built to take more punishment?

Rob