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From: cwe34361@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (cE!)
Subject: Re: What is industrial music?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:52:17 GMT

urmvance@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:

>> While on industrial,
>> I've got the single-release by Under Midnight. Sounds pretty good.
>> Haven't seen or heard the actual album yet.

>I agree, it does sound great. But, is it just me, or does Cybernetic Apocolypso
>sound like about 10 different songs? It hits a cool groove, then all of a 
>sudden, its in a totally different cool groove! And, by the way, I did see
>the actual album in the bookstore Saturday. Couldn't listen to much of it,
>though, before I had to salir. Methinks 'twillbe good!

This is what A.T.Matthew from globalWAVEsystem has to say about the new 
Under Midnight disc:

	"It sucks."

He played it for us over the weekend, and from what I heard, I agree
completely.  The band has no style--every song is a poor rip-off of another
band.  You can jump all over gWs when it comes out, I guess, but let me just
say that right now there is still no entirely decent Christian industrial on
the market.  Too bad.  The True Tunes ad for Under Midnight really hypes it.

christian E! / globalWAVEsystem

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: Tom Moellering <moeller@convex.com>
Subject: Re: Rachel,Rachel, (Kansas, POKR, Kerry Livgren, etc.)
Originator: moeller@neptune.convex.com
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:35:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Nov11.004034.13566@samba.oit.unc.edu> Denes.House@launchpad.unc.edu (Denes House) writes:
>This is my first posting to the net (outside of laUNChpad.general). 
>I wanted to know if anyone knows why Rachel Rachel covered Kansas'
>"Carry on wayward son" on their Way to my heart album. Don't get me 
>wrong, They sound like they were born to sing that song, but I can't
>decipher any positive message behind the song that they might want to
>convey. Can anyone help me? The only message I can find (and I've 
>looked hard) is supporting rebellion. I love the song, but is it 
>Christian?

Well, Denes, Kerry Livgren wrote the song, after his conversion to Christ,
I believe.  I don't want to bore you with what you already perhaps know,
but from that album (Point of Know Return) on the themes of his songs
were quickly diverging from the rest of those that were on the Kansas albums.

I for one keep waiting for Audio Visions, Vinyl Confessions and Drastic Measures
to get to CD.  Some of the best Christian Rock produced IMHO.

How about the line:  "If I claim to be a wise-man, it surely means that I don't
know."?  (Made especially wierd since the RR's are to a man, not; men that is ;-)

Not to mention the fact that maybe its just a thank-you from the RR's to
him for his christian and/or musical influence.

>On an unrelated topic, what kind of distribution should I set posts to
>this group? This message is usa only.

Any you deem worthwhile.  If you are posting about a concert in your area,
I wouldn't use a worldwide distribution, unless of course you are wanting
to rub it in ;-)  But if you want to discuss music, don't rule out the rest
of the world.  You'd be surprised how many outside-of-the-US subscribers that
there are.

--
Tom (moeller@convex.com)
                   Who can I talk to without a sound?
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                        Chariot Song / King's X
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:11:50 -0500 
From: Robert William Weiman <billybob+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: What do you do when....

Excerpts from mail: 13-Nov-92 Re: What do you do when you.. by Mark
Christensen@eomer.h 
>I just subscribed to this newsgroup yesterday and I've already read
stuff    >about "Christian night clubs" and christian rock music,
                                   ^^^that (& other forms of christian music)
                                      is what the group is supposed to be
                                      about
>and drums in church services
     ^^ so you ripped the old testament out of your bible - didn't ya?
        I don't have my bible with me at this moment - but I shall look
        the appropriate verses up as soon as I get home.  However, I
        distinctly remember drums/cymbals being used in the old testament
        for worship.

I would be interested in hearing what you think is acceptable music.  By your
interpretation of those verses, no music that was similar, or based on, any
worldly music is acceptable.  What is left?

later,
bob

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From: urcat@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eilidh Swan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christmas music recommendations
Date: 9 Nov 92 02:09:50 GMT

In <1992Nov8.103437.21080@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> flournoy@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Raymond Suke Flournoy) writes:

>  What Christmas albums do people recommend?
>  .....
>  I have Ms. Grant's old Christmas album, and very much like the
>coherence there is in the tracks on the disc.  With the possible
>exception of an unfortunate version of "Sleigh Ride", every song on
>the album is very nice.  
>		--Raymond Flournoy        
>		flournoy@cs.stanford.edu

Did you ever get a chance to hear her Christmas album with Art Garfunkel
called "The Animals Christmas"?  I really enjoyed that.....there was a
TV special that went along with it (maybe 1989 or so) that wasn't too 
special for me, but I liked the musical concept of telling the story
from the point of view of the animals who gathered.

Other good bets:  (not necessarily CCM)  Hallmark always puts out a 
Christmas collection; The Canadian Brass have one or two *Really* nice
ones....obscure, and I think you have to order them from Canada; there's
a group called the New American Guitar Ensemble who put out two albums
a few years back called "Christmas Carols" and "Hymns, Songs, and Carols"
(if I remember correctly) which I bought at the Dorothy Chandler Theater
Gift Shop in Los Angeles (if you have trouble ordering it....)  --
yes, my Mom is a Christmas music buff!

Happy Holiday Preparations!

Eilidh Swan
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: gclapp@javelin.sim.es.com (Glenn Clapp)
Subject: Re: Handel's Messiah:  A Soulful Celebration
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Corp.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:13:04 GMT

In article <UexMuV200YUo4Rsl0z@andrew.cmu.edu> Steven Timm <st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>As others have said, this album would probably make Handel turn over in 
>his grave.  It's one of the more original ideas to come out of the 
>industry in some time, also a very effective promotional tool for the many
>artists who sing on it.
>
Turn over in his grave?  Yup, he'd be jammin' to it alright.  There
is another "contemporary" version of "Messiah" that I know of.  It
is "Handel's Young Messiah." In the liner notes, it states that Handel
left explicit instructions that his music was to be updated to stay
current with musical tastes.  I'm sure Handel would be glad to see
his music continue, and be updated to reach todays audiences, especially
those would rather die than attend an oratorio.



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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: speg@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Doug Speheger)
Subject: Apology - Re: TANGENT Re: "We Will Stand" stolen by Clinton
Originator: usenet@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:45:41 GMT
Organization: University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK

I want to apologize for my post and to the group and to Mr. Whitman in 
particular (I have already directly e-mailed him an apology.)  I was
caught in the reactionary mood and in a misguided attempt of overstatement,
I accidently through my post implied some things that I shouldn't have.  
Although, I still think that there may have been more appropriate ways to 
state the idea (in my opinion), my follow-up post was uncalled for and also
inappropriate.  I apologize to the readers of r.m.c.

Doug.

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From: 00bwanderson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: looking for a band called Bei Domini?
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:23:53 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

Hey-ho...

I've got a friend who told me about a band called "Bei Domini" (or something
like that) which I am still unable to find.  Does anyone know about these
guys?  It's thrash in the vein of Seventh Angel and Detritus.

Thanks!

Bruce
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: Janne.Salmi@hut.fi (Janne Salmi)
Subject: Re: Christian Punk (was Re: Is there any "progressive" Christian music?)
Organization: Helsinki Univ. of Tech., Finland
	<BxDrF9.H5y@ucunix.san.uc.edu>
	<1992Nov10.163435.23222@cbnews.cb.att.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:02:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.163435.23222@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:

-> You think so?  I always thought that one of the prerequisites of a
-> progressive rock band was that you had to leave any sense of humor
-> behind at the door.  Terry seems too sarcastic/satiric/satanic
-> to fit the bill.                     ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^

I'm a bit confused. Isn't this somewhat redundant?

-> >Lifesavors - Us Kids (pre-Knott songwriting, very Ramones-ish)

-> Now *this* sounds intriguing.  Is this one readily available?  Gabba
-> gabba hey for Jesus!

Sheena is a holy roller?
Suzi is a biblethumper?
Ho hey let's pray?

- Janne
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: dlovely@meaddata.com (David Lovely)
Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 03:07:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.195138.11094@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
|> aeg@vixen.uucp (24104-gronczewski) writes:
|> > What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
|> 
|> congratulate them on their musical taste?
|> 
|> > My son came home one day and said that the new hot group on the 
|> > school bus is Metallica.  He is a seventh grader and goes to a 
|> > Catholic grammer school.  Thanks to the threads on this net I 
|> > passed along some of the info about Metallica to my son and told 
|> > him to stick with Carmen instead. (He likes Carmen very much)  
|> 
|> now that is something to be worried about. (*insert big half smiley
|> here* IMNSHO, Carmen is one of the cheesiest excuses for a 'musician' 
|> there is.)

Get your asbestos suits ready, here it comes:  /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

First, just because Carman (note incorrect spelling above) isn't in your particular
stylistic vein, that doesn't make him "cheesy".  As a matter of fact, he is probably
one of the most talented musicians out there.  Who else performs such a wide
variety of styles, and pulls them off at least reasonably well (they may be a little
on the clicheic side, but still thoroughly enjoyable.

In any event, music is not Carman's primary objective.  If you are at one of his
concerts, he says just that.  The purpose of his ministry (and it IS a ministry), is to
reach people with the gospel.  If that means sounding "cheesy", then so be it!

At his concert here in Dayton, over 13000 attended.  To hear all of those voices
singing "Jesus Is the Way" is truly inspiring.  I would have 2nd thoughts about
belittling anyone who can produce fruit for the Lord like that, regardless of style!

You can take off your asbestos suits now.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Subject: Re: drums and worship
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:19:56 GMT

>In article 1ds2knINNbkc@agate.berkeley.edu, tjchen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Thomas Jer Chen) writes:
>
>   I am a relatively new drummer for our church and would like to generate
>discussion about the use of drums in worship.  Although drums and cymbals
>have been mentioned in the OT in conjunction with praise, it seems to me
>like some churches feel like drums are more distracting than other more
>conventional "worship" instruments (e.g. guitar and keyboards)  Specifically,
>what are some steps that I can take to minimize distracting effects and
>maximize the additive effects of drums?  

1)  No fifteen-minute solos.
2)  No rotating drum kit on a raised platform.
3)  No tossed drum sticks to the congregation.
4)  Try to keep your tongue inside your mouth.
5)  Minimal flailing.
6)  No keeping time with the drumsticks raised above your head.
7)  Leave the cape at home.
8)  The gong may not be necessary.
9)  No fire breathing.  
10) Wear a shirt.

Oh, and Dan Bourland's suggestions were pretty good ones too.  Good luck.

Andy Whitman
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: manitp@jec321.its.rpi.edu (Philip Joseph Manitta Jr.)
Subject: RE: Joshua? Anyone? Anyone?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 02:28:08 GMT

Hey;

Neal Gray writes:

> ....... Joshua! Isn't that Tamplin's old band?  Anyone heard it? Does
anyone know it exists?

In response to all three questions, the answer is yes!

Joshua released an album called "Surrender" in 1986.  It was first
released on Polydor (I think) then last year they were re-released on
that christian label that also has Crystavox.  I can't think of names
right now.   

I have the original on some archaic form of sonic reproduction that
uses a large round balck vinyl disc with some groove cut in it.  I
think the principial of sound transfer relies on an actual physical
vibration, but neither me nor any of my other archaeologist friends
seem to have such an antique that can retrieve the sound   :)     

Anyway- althought the music is the same, the credit list changed alot
on the two releases,  God only knows why.  (actually, I suspect the
memebers of the band have some idea as well.)  It was a mediocre
quality pop-metal album a little bit rougher than Shout and a lot more
repetitious.  For collectors and die-hard Tamplin fans (like me) it is
a must have- otherwise don't bother.  The members of the band according
to the the original credit list are as follows:

	Joshua Perahia- Lead Guitar

	Jeff (?) Fenholt- Lead Vox

	Kenneth Tamplin- Rhythm Guitar

	Loren Robinson- Bass

	Joseph Galleta- Drums

	Some other guy- Keyboards

Tamplin does lead vox on one song only.  He co-wrote 2 or 3 of the songs.
Note that 3/4 of what eventually became known as "SHOUT" were part of
this band.  (The fourth part - Chuck King- was a member of Idle Cure at
the time.)

That's about everything there is to know about Joshua.

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Troy NY, 12180                           |        gain!"   (manitp@rpi.edu) 
" Don't even think of copying this! The band NEEDS money! " -Fluffy
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: cwf50862@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Virtual Benedicta)
Subject: Alternative Concerts??
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:41:08 GMT


Does anyone one know of any alternative or other types of non-mainstream 
christian bands that are touring.  And if they will come to chicago or 
peroia or anywhere close to Urbana-Champaign??

chip

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From: vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Chasing (the) kangaroos
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:57:54 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov11.201301.11106@uoft02.utoledo.edu> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>no, but then again i don't listen to Adam Again. i can readily
>believe they'd do such a thing, especially seeing the amount
>self-referential stuff just in the Choir's albums.

Yeah, that's one of my favorite things about the Choir is the continuity
between the albums produced by the use of repeated phrases and such.  I
love it.  

Another one you missed was the 'Clouds are Round About You' bit from
'Clouds' and the At the Foot of the Cross album.

While we're on the subject of the Choir (YAY), does anyone know what
goes on at the end of 'Clouds?'  Is that backmasking or what?  Also, 
who's the lady singing at the very end?

>
>wait, there really -was- a rifleman? who? there's so much background
>about the Choir that i don't even know... (i wish they'd keep putting
>little comments on the lyric sheet like they did on Kangaroo.)

Yeah, it was an old western show.  Chuck Connors was a sheriff, i think, 
and 'Mark' was his son.  Makes the song make a lot more sense, no?

JRjr

-- 
'Let's not pretend to justify, Rather amend where treasures lie.  Straight
through the heart peace can be found.  That's where you start, not all 
around...'  Extreme -- Rest In Peace
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: tjchen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Thomas Jer Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Drums and Worship
Date: 11 Nov 1992 19:57:10 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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From: tang@spectra.com (Melissa Tang)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Steven Curtis Chapman in Irvine
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:54:55 GMT
Organization: Spectragraphics Corporation

I went to Steven Curtis Chapman's concert in Irvine on Saturday.
Out of Grey and Susan Ashton were the opening acts.  Both did very
short sets.  Out of Grey sang about four songs and Susan Ashton
sang about six.  They were ok.

Steven's set was about two hours or so.  It was fabulous!  The
lighting was phenomenal.  I really enjoyed it.  He is a very
diverse musician and displayed his many talents.  It was probably
the most spiritual Christian concert that I have been to, but
then again, I haven't been to too many.  He sang two songs for
his encore and then just sat on the stage with his guitar and
talked to and prayed with the audience.

For this being only his second tour, he did a marvelous job.
I had never been to one of his concerts before, but I will
definately go again when he makes it back to Southern California
or Arizona.  It was worth the money and it wasn't too expensive!

Melissa Tang

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