From: ELAWRENCE@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU
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Subject: A Strand of Bigotry
Date: 23 Nov 1992 08:26:47 -0600
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From: ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble)
Subject:Re: A Strand of Bigotry
Date: 21 Nov 92 01:37:04 PST
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Newsbaum blathers as follows:

>Right! Edgar J Lawrence II asserts the following:

>>For far too long, people on this group having been taking
>>this Gary Strand character more seriously than he deserves.
>>He has repeatedly claimed that he has the right to practice
>>bigotry.  He calls it "discrimination," but it should be
>>obvious to everyone that he is a particularly vicous bigot
>>who uses half-baked Libertarian rhetoric to rationalize his
>>bigotry.

>You've totally mischaracterized what Gary Strand actually wrote,

Bullshit. I characterized it quite accurately, which is what is ACTUALLY
bothering Newsbaum so much.

>which
>is actually fairly typical of totalitarian tinkerbell thinking.

Note the obvious homophobic sneer "tinkerbell." Yes, I'm gay, I'm a self-
respecting gay man, and as far as I'm concerned, I'm a hell of a lot more of a
man than you any day. For one thing, I'm not a lying bigot.

>What he
>claimed was that neither individuals nor the government have the right
>to forcibly prevent other people from discriminating.

Previous postings, perhaps here, perhaps in talk/politics.misc, have noted
Newsbaum's own bigotry. As I recall, one string was actually titled "The
Racism of Jack S." Newsbaum actually has the sheer unmitigated gall to
raise this old, totally discredited rationalization for bigotry and claim that
it is a "right." Well, now we see who is ACTUALLY inventing rights, and it isn't
those heinous liberals.
 
>This no more makes
>one a bigot than does supporting the right of Nazis to march in Skokie
>make one a Nazi or does upholding the right of fundamentalist Christian
>churches to preach that homosexuality is a sin make one a fundy.

Claiming a nonexistent "right" to practice bigotry most certainly does make
someone a bigot. Newsbaum's other two examples grossly misrepresent some
inconvenient (for Newsbaum) reality. First, the Nazis are a terrorist organi-
zation, pure and simple, whether or not good widdle wibewals and pwogwessives
want to acknowledge it. Second, the fundagelicals are doing a lot worse than
preaching that "homosexuality is a sin" (Newsbaum also fails to note that the
"homosexuality is a sin" claim is a malevolent, bigoted lie), they are
actively engaged in ACTIONS which seek to oppress and persecute gay men &
lesbians.

>This so-called "half-baked libertarian rhetoric" about the basic right
>to be left alone

Self-serving misrepresentation. Claiming a nonexistent "right to discriminate"
is clearly a claim that you have a "right" to unjustly interfere in the rights
of others.

>protects not only the bigot but gays as well from
>the oppressive and overbearing power of majoritarian government that
>would overreach its domain and extend itself into everyone's private
>life.

What disgusting hypocrisy! And who is supposed to protect me and other self-
respecting gay men & lesbians from the bigots like Newsbaum & Strand who
maliciously claim that they have a "right" to discriminate against us? It is
the DUTY of government to protect people from the bigotry of the Newsbaums,
Strands, and Cramers of this world.

>        =Jack=
>---
>
>Jack B. Newsbaum             You have rights antecedent to all earthly
>Library Information Systems  governments; rights that cannot be
>University Research Library  repealed or restrained by human law.
>ecl4jn2@mvs.oac.ucla.edu               - John Adams

This vague, isolated statement DOES NOT mean that there is any sort of "right
to discriminate."

Edgar J. Lawrence

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