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From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Re: Rap music
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 01:02:55 GMT


Iain & others,

Your violent reaction to rap music is quite disturbing.

Someone else mentioned the violence in heavy/death/speed(etc)
metal, industrial music (the former being equally, if not
more popular than rap) yet you seem to ignore that fact.
Could there be a reason for this?

Hell, let's ban everything with the slightest mention of
violence and all the people with guns will stop shooting each
other. We could sing those nice religious songs instead...
"Onward christian soldiers.....marching as to war....." Oh,
ermm, oops.

brian
(can I have pro-mite instead please?)
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From: hamster@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Rap music
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In article <1993Jan22.192044.20225@freenet.carleton.ca> aa593@Freenet.carleton.ca (Iain Pidcock) writes:

>      My contention is that rap music glorifies violence.
> Not all, but in general it has become an outlet for the
> social deviant.  Once upon a time it was a medium of protest.
> Yes, Grandmaster Flash and others who were pioneers in rap
> once promoted pro-social alternatives.  But since then they
> have been replaced by people like ice cube, Niggas with attitude
> (of which the former was once part of) and ice-t (of Cop Killer
> and Body Count).

Overheard on a Melbourne tram late last year: a conversation between two
young rap dudes, both all of 11 or 12 years old...

"And how about New Jack City? Yeah, that bit where Ice T gets that guys
head and smashes it against a wall, then says 'Don't f*ck with this nigger'
then he blows his head off!!"

"Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you can see the blood and brains comin' out of his
head and everything"

"Hahaha yeah! I love Ice T man, he's so cool!"


Food for thought?

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From: leanne@DIALix.oz.au (Leanne Archer)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Commercial Radio
Date: 22 Jan 1993 09:45:12 +0800
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   Hello all       

         An excellent article Felicity.

         I must point out that the vast number of non-commercial radio
     stations still provide a much needed service to the community. An
     example is a station here in Perth which is aimed squarely for
     disabled people.

         Hardly a station which caters for the majority but still a
     valid station nonetheless.

                                        - Leanne
 
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Re: Commercial Radio
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 00:46:12 GMT


In article <1jnsgqINN1v8@zikzak.apana.org.au>, jamie@zikzak.apana.org.au (Jamie Scuglia) writes:
[...hmmmmphh.]
|> 
|> Little non-commercial stations do not have the money to attract
|> listeners with massive competitions and advertisements.  I think
|> GOLD 104 gave away well over 1/4 of a million dollars to its listeners

One day you'll realise non-commercial radio exists to play music,
not make dollars!

|> last year - an impossible figure for the smaller stations.  And you
|> must realize that most non-commercial stations (except for HITS-FM) have
|> some weird programming ideas.  Take SER-FM 97.7 (Fountain Gate, Melbourne).

Something non-charting/non neo-classick-rock? How weird?

|> Their "drive time" show might include the latest stuff from Kylie, Girlfriend,
|> Radio Freedom, etc.  Yet, other times, they could be playing
|> music from the 1950's or something.  Because of their un-restrained

Ok, that _is_ weird programming (ob)

brian
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From: phs404g@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: G&R's worst song
Date: 26 Jan 93 11:52:02 +1100
Organization: Monash_University,Melbourne,Victoria

>>
>>Yes, and "Stairway to Heaven" is the worst song Rolf Harris ever wrote!
>>
>>And "Locomotion" is the worst song that Kylie Minogue ever wrote!
>>
>>And "Fanfare for the Common Man" is the worst song that Emerson, Lake and 
>>Palmer ever wrote!
>>
>>Need I go on?
>>
> 
> Kevin,
>      I assure you Kylie Minogue did not write "Locomotion"
> It is an old song that she ripped off (Like Michael Bolton
> does on a regular basis).  Kylies stuff is all fre-fab
> done by the guys at the hit factory.  She doesn't
> write it.  So maybe there is no worst song she ever
> wrote.  (Cuz she don't write 'em)!!!!!!
>               Iain
> 

   You seriously thought he was serious??  Amazing.

   Greg  :)


Disclaimer: The thoughts expressed above do not represent the opinions
               of anyone, least of all me.
From: hamster@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: G&R's worst song
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In article <1jvlt6INNqog@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU> cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle) writes:

> : |> 	i used to respect the Gunnas
> : |> 	i dont care what anyone else says
> : |> 	but Knocking on Heavens door is the worst song
> : |> Guns and Roses ever wrote!
>
> : Fear not Colin, they didn't (unless I'm woefully mistaken)
>
> 	opps my mistake
> 		everyone knows it was chisel


Oh dear, he must be a radio programmer.


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From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Subject: Re: Reviews: Big day out/Pre-BDO (Melbourne) (Long)
Organization: Victoria University of Technology
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:58:35 GMT

a.norrish@trl.oz.au (Mark E. Smith's speech therapist-ah) writes:

>'Hey, come on! We're the grandfathers of grunge'.

If they are the grandfathers of grunge then what is Neil Young?

jed
From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: G&R's worst song
Date: 25 Jan 1993 03:13:42 GMT
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Brian May (brian@mel.dit.csiro.au) wrote:

: In article <1jvb0rINNdbd@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>, cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle) writes:
: |> 	i used to respect the Gunnas
: |> 	i dont care what anyone else says
: |> 	but Knocking on Heavens door is the worst song
: |> Guns and Roses ever wrote!

: Fear not Colin, they didn't (unless I'm woefully mistaken)

	opps my mistake
		everyone knows it was chisel

: So, how were Tlot Tlot as their support band?

	arent the tatts supporting the gunnas?
	
	are you in tlot tlot?

	CE
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: lightw@cetra.trl.OZ.AU (Liron Lightwood)
Subject: Re: "RAGE" "COUNTDOWN" SYMALCAST
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:08:30 GMT

adrian.mathew@f804.n800.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Adrian Mathew) writes:

>Hi', to readers of Aus Music.  How are you?  Did anyone catch up with the
>"Rage/CountDown" symalcast on the weekend?  If you did, you'll agree with me
>that it's a great thing that Aus music has progressed since those days.  I
>stayed up most of Saturday morning for the first three episodes which were
>shown.  Although the seventies were dominated by teeny bopper groups like
>Sherbet and Sky Hooks...

On the contraray, the Countdown shows just go to show that people who liked
pop music (e.g. the teenie boppers you mentioned) had it so much better
then, even during the mid 80s.  Even if you didn't like the music in the
mid 70's shows, you have to admit that Countdown then was a happenning
thing, moving and grooving from one hit song to another, you know what I mean.

There's nothing nearly as good now, not on TV, and not even on commercial radio.
(unless you like oldies).  What a pitty.

Liron Lightwood                     Internet : r.lightwood@trl.oz.au
Telecom Research Laboratories       Phone : +61 3 253 6535
770 Blackburn Road                  Snail : P.O. Box 249 Clayton 3168 Australia
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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: davew@g2syd.genasys.com.au (Dave White)
Subject: Re: Rap music
Organization: Genasys II, Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:24:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.151407.17637@freenet.carleton.ca> aa593@Freenet.carleton.ca (Iain Pidcock) writes:
>
>Do you folks in oz have the disease of rap music (Kris Kross...)
>infiltrating your culture?  It makes me ill listening to
>all the tired violent crap that spews from the mouths 
>of folks like ice-t, ice cube, ll cool j, and the rest of 
>these societal losers.  Please tell me that you have
>never heard of ice t and his delightful song "Cop Killer"
>Scum like this are ruining America and taking Canada with
>it.  Please, someone tell me the rest of the nineties will
>see an end to this...
>       
Yes there's plenty of it heard in Australia, and it was a nice 
change at first, (back in 1989) but a bit dated these days.

As to the implied violence of your example, any culture that allows 
rampant and seemingly uncontrolled use of guns deserves everything 
it gets!

-- 
David White, davew@g2syd.genasys.com.au
Genasys II Pty. Ltd., North Sydney, Australia.
Newsgroups: aus.music,alt.music.alternative
From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Re: Big Day Out, Sydney
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 10:25:18 GMT


In article <1993Jan27.030608.5228@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au>, cwalsh@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (Craig Walsh) writes:
|> I suppose I should put in here that I thought Disposable Heroes were crap.
|> I expected something a lot better, given how good the Beatnigs used to be.
|> The Heroes did all the usual rap crap, ie have one main rapper and another
|> guy who ran around alot yelling 'whoa'. Then the stupid 'Make some fucking
|> noise' started and I nearly fell over from laughing.

I too thought they were pretty lame considering the quality of their
recorded material. They just couldn;t get that groove happening for me
in a concrete ampitheatre with rain pouring down..........not that this
was an easy task for them!

brian
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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Re: New Zealand record label list
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 23:16:00 GMT


In article <pet.727514678@munagin>, pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan) writes:
|> avac002@csc.canterbury.ac.nz writes:
|> >Xpressway
|> >16 Bernicia Street           This label deals in Garage type music
|> >Port Chalmers                Likes home recording minimal technology 
|> >Otago                        music. Some international distribution.
|> >New Zealand.                 Mainly Cassette and Vinyl releases.
|> 
|> A great informative article... Would someone care to do this for Vic/NSW?
|> I don't know enuff and wouldn't know where to get the info...
|> Thanks!
|> Paul

Go buy the "Australasian Music Industry Directory". A 6 monthly directory
of EVERYTHING to do with the industry in Australasia and parts of ASIA.

It costs $10 and can be bought from your local AUSMUSIC type organization.
(Victorian Rock Foundation in VIC).

Most people/organizations in the 'biz' are there....except Lees & West
touring co (the are doing the "Big Day Out") and Tlot Tlot (those who
have heard the EP track "Happy Trippy Phil" will know why.....also,
if you read "Industrial Strength News" in VIC's "Beat" or NSW's OTS,
there's even more info re: that!)

brian
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From: u6104701@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Templebears, anyone?
Date: 28 Jan 93 12:53:36 +1100
Organization: The University of Melbourne

In article <C1Ev3M.1Cs@research.canon.oz.au>, raphael@research.canon.oz.au 
(Andrew Raphael) writes:
> I'd like to know if any aus.music readers went to see the Templebears
> during their recent visits to Melbourne & Brisbane.  Were the gigs
> well-attended, did you like the band and music, and so on.

I saw them at the punters last year some time (not there most recent visit),
and l was not overly impressed, but l would consider a secound listern.

martin
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From: hamster@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Commercial Radio
Date: 24 Jan 93 05:03:54 GMT
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In article <pet.727702207@munagin> pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan) writes:

> Agreed. I am forced to listen to the FOX whenever we're in my girlfriend's
> car, and I hate it. Take 40 is not my style coz of the large Barnes/Farnes/H&C
> element, but Hot 20 was pretty good. I was very pleased (smug look) when it

I honestly never thought I'd see the day when someone would lump Hunters
And Collectors in the same derisive basket as Barnsey and Farnsey... :-(

> started playing my old favorites Unbelievable, I'm Free, and the like (indie
> UK dance) plus a bit of techno. It gave me some small comfort after hearing
> all that crap classic rock stuff. I find top 8 at 8 and similar shows always
> have better music because you get more dance or alternative music compared
> with the usual FOX fare... or MMM as the case may be.

I was speaking to one of the Polygram publicists yesterday, and he is
delighted about what's happening in radio. Basically while FOX's sister
station in Sydney have made a move towards pop/dance, FOX themselves have
decided on a bogan rock format, 24 hours a day. There have been rumours
that songs have been being rejected from the Top 8 at 8 for being "not
within the format", which pretty much defeats the purpose of the whoile
thing, but anyway... what this person was saying was that he doesn't mind
so much about the format change - which makes just about every radio
station in Melbourne into a classicrockboganhitsthongsandesky station -
because most of the product from his company fits the format. On the other
hand, Polydor across the hallway find themselves with a swag of dance stuff
to promote, and no radio station will touch it. It's quite likely that, had
the Utah Saints' "Something Good" come out now, you'd never even have
gotten to hear it.

And with JJJ gone bananas for the summer - and HOPEFULLY coming back -
there's little to do for new music but to go and visit some indie
nightclubs...

> >TT-FM again.  It is basically the case of picking the station
> >you hate the least - not picking the one you like the most.

Thing is, frightening though it may be, there are STILL people out there
who actually get excited when they hear Hotel California, or Farnsey's
version of "Help". If there's one thing that I AM surprised about, it's
that MMM seem to have put the new Jesus Jones single on high rotation,
while JJJ aren't even playing it...


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From: hamster@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: How do i get good seat tickets in melb?
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In article <9302021.27102@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> schuller@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Wayne Schuller) writes:

> Do all the bass computers go on line at 9:00 am exactly? or can any dude who
> works in a bass outlet turn his on at 8:45 and get himself 10 front row
> seats?
> ie: how much control do the ppls have who work at the outlets?

Total, just about. I know of BASS staff who've grabbed entire front rows
for themselves and friends before the public even got a look in. Then there
are the large amounts of seats - prime seats - reserved for the media and
giveaways.

> If found a relatively quiet bass outlet, (for example, one in a suburb somewhere)
> if i lined up there for tickets,
> do they go online at the same time as the ones in the city?

But for really popular stuff, they sell so fast you could still be
disappointed. The only concert I've ever camped otu overnight for was the
Duran Duran show at the Entertainment Center in 1983. I was second in line,
and still got seats 27 rows back.

> Can Mr/Mrs Public Citizen line up early, and with a little luck, get good
> seats? or does it come down to 'who you know'?

With a little luck, yes, it just depends how many greedy "in the know"
people there are that also want seats.

You might try ringing Save Time Service in Melbourne, whose entire business
is to get customers good seats at concerts and shows. You pay them a 5 or 10
percent premium, then they do all the hard work. You probably still won't
get front row, but the seats should be pretty good.


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From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Jamie defends Kylie, news at 11
Date: 22 Jan 1993 05:32:16 GMT
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Chris Karadaglis (ck@iconix.oz.au) wrote:

: Jamie - I don't really know what gave you the impression that I don't
: like Australian music - but I'm talking about a different brand of
: >MUSIC< than you. Take bands like Falling Joys, Clouds, Maybe Dolls, 
: Divinyls, early INXS, the Fauves, Nick Cave, Things of Stone and Wood,
: etc etc etc. This is what I call good Australian music. Then take
: the late Jimmy Barnes, Michael Hutchpants, Kylie, Dannnniii, Jason,
: Craig McLaughin', etc etc etc, who have either sold out to the marketing
: droids and/or failed to produce anything which resembles music unless
: your definition of music is a MIDI sequencer controlling a million
: synthesisers, a pitch-correction box for your vocals (Stock, Aiken &
: Waterman used this for Kylie), and a drum machine on speed. I love 
: Australian music because it's raw, full of energy and doesn't conform
: to a marketing strategy. This is my definition of music. From what I
: see, yours is based on charts and sales, and no tits.

	speaking of basing your definition of music on chart succes,
howcome all your acceptable bands have not had major chart success
and all your unacceptable persons have.

	gee - if i didnt know betta i would say that your
taste was based soley on the charts.

						CE

ps - does sold out mean had success??
     ie their record sold out literally
From: aa593@Freenet.carleton.ca (Iain Pidcock)
Subject: Re: Rap music
Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:20:44 GMT


So, Brian May thinks rap is a product of Canadian Society eh?
And we let our folks run around with guns do we?  Guess again
genius.  American law and the American costitution apply to
the United States of America only.  Your statement is as
rediculous as saying violence and guns are a product 
of New Zealand and American society.  Ever heard of 
a nation's sovereignty?  Just because we border the USA
doesn't mean to say our culture and crime stats mirrors
the united states any more so than Australia mirrors 
that of Indonesia.  Garbage statements like the one you
make only serve to prove that you can type faster than
you can think.  Get the facts and prove to me that Canada allows
the free use of firearms and i'll buy you a big bottle of 
vegemite. 
     My contention is that rap music glorifies violence.
Not all, but in general it has become an outlet for the
social deviant.  Once upon a time it was a medium of protest.
Yes, Grandmaster Flash and others who were pioneers in rap
once promoted pro-social alternatives.  But since then they
have been replaced by people like ice cube, Niggas with attitude 
(of which the former was once part of) and ice-t (of Cop Killer
and Body Count).  So Brian apply some of those research skills
you have and find out the truth before making sweeping statements
and foolish generalizations.  
-- 
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From: hamster@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: G&R's worst song
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In article <1jvb0rINNdbd@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU> cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle) writes:

> 	i used to respect the Gunnas
> 	i dont care what anyone else says
> 	but Knocking on Heavens door is the worst song
>       Guns and Roses ever wrote!

Full marks for acknowledging a bad performance. However, Guns 'N' Roses did
not write "Knocking On Heaven's Door".

Want to hear a REAL travesty? Try the Screaming Jets' pitiful and
emotionless version of the Boys Next Door's "Shivers"...

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From: kjm@buc.edu.au (Kevin Moore)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: G&R's worst song
Date: 25 Jan 1993 01:16:15 GMT
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In article <1jvb0rINNdbd@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU> cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle) writes:

>        i used to respect the Gunnas
>        i dont care what anyone else says
>        but Knocking on Heavens door is the worst song
>Guns and Roses ever wrote!

>                                        CE

Yes, and "Stairway to Heaven" is the worst song Rolf Harris ever wrote!

And "Locomotion" is the worst song that Kylie Minogue ever wrote!

And "Fanfare for the Common Man" is the worst song that Emerson, Lake and 
Palmer ever wrote!

Need I go on?



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