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From: fireman@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Tracy L. Brooks)
Subject: Re: World 600
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:46:49 GMT

>In article <1992Nov20.023444.12857@ncsu.edu> fireman@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Tracy L. Brooks) writes:
>>
>>The World 600 at 4:30pm on a Sunday?  Surely if they have it at night it
>>will be on a Saturday.  I hope so anyway.  If it is on a Sunday evening
>>they will be a lot of people missing work on Monday ;-)
>>
>I`m quite disappointed... an NC State type who doesn`t even know that 
>the World 600 is on Memorial Day weekend!  They don`t have to worry 
>about work on Monday... it`s Memorial Day!!!!
>
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>  Ron Steve, Station Manager      |  "My views are my own and do not 

Right after posting that I was wondering when Memorial Day was.  Still I
stand behind my original post.  A Sunday evening race is not good.  I
have NEVER had a vaction on Memorial Day.  I either work or go to
school.  NC State Univ. doesn't take off for Memorial or at least they
didn't last year. 

How do you people land those pie jobs where you get off on Holidays? 

JUST KIDDING!!! :-)  But seriously I know of several people that have to
work on Memorial Day, and a Sunday race would make Monday rough.

later,

Tracy B.
 
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From: dinsdale@berlioz.nsc.com (Steve McRobert)
Subject: Re: Mansell brake tests Senna
Summary: remember 1987?
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation, Santa Clara
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:39:09 GMT

In article <1ecue3INNl8p@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> humpty@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Daniel Ong) writes:
>thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen) writes:
>
>>>Mansell is a real pussy for not wanting to race Prost.  James Hunt
>>>thinks he should stop whinging and just get on and race Prost.  Hunt
>>>said something like - he should get in a Williams and try to show that
>>>he deserves the world championship by beating Prost - and if he can't,
>>>at least put up a good fight.  Can we infer that Hunt thinks Prost is
>>>better than Mansell?
>
>>I think that Mansell has had enough of F1 and its politics. Note that
>>he's not retiring, he taking a voluntary pay cut of more than, what, $10M?
>>To me that says 'fed up with this', not 'better get out while I'm on top'.
>
>What about trying to avoid racing Prost and looking bad by taking a pay
>cut??!

Well, let's face it no-one in teh williams team will have much of a
chance except prost next year.

Renault will use every sneaky trick in teh book to ensure that a
frenchman wins the championship.

I spent a fair amount of time trying to figure out a contractual
arrangement that would prevent this (nigel gets first pick of engines??)
but concluded it couldn't be done.

Williams would never allow such a thing you say?

Remember 1987?  When mansell always seemed to be quicker than piquet
despite being much slower down the straights (yes I know nigel likes a
lot of downforce but..........), and funnily mansells car seemed so much
less reliable than piquets?

It was pretty clear that Honda did not like what happened in 1986 when
mansell and piquet "shared" the points allowing prost to sneak in and
take the title (thanks goodyear!)
So in 87 honda decided that piquet would win and made sure he did.
renault will do the same thing.
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From: unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks)
Subject: Re: Mansell sold to Brabham-Judd !!
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:44:16 GMT

lav4208@venus.tamu.edu  writes:
>ok, so i lied, just trying to get your attention.
>
>Q : How does the indy car point system work ?
>	points for finishing order?
>	ponts for starting order?
>	points for position at end of each lap?
>
>it certainly is more complicated than the F1 system.

More complicated?  Nah... it's just times two. (not really...  :-))

Finishing Position    Points earned
        1                  20
        2                  16
        3                  14
        4                  12
        5                  10
        6                   8
        7                   6
        8                   5
        9                   4
       10                   3
       11                   2
       12                   1

Bonus points:
1 point to fastest qualifier
1 point to driver with most laps led (in event of tie, highest finisher gets it)

Not too complicated, eh?

Rob U
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From: Ken Wilkens <wilkens%nmr@venus.ycc.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: Turbos
Organization: Yale University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:32:00 GMT

well on turbo lag smaller is better for the reason you site. I haven't
been following turbo design as of late but I know they were working on
variable vane design which might overcome some of the lag problems. And
being on a reca car if the RPMs stay around the same area once the turbo
is at spped it won't chnage that much. (well sounds good at least!)

Ken
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From: GR743@uacsc2.albany.edu (Greg Rickes)
Subject: Re: IMSA abandons GTP for open cockpits
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 08:36:52 EST

>>open cockpit single seaters with fenders. In an effort to bolster fields
>>and reduce costs,single seater machinary such as the Lola Indy car,will
>>now be accepted in IMSA so long as the car has it's wheels covered.This
>>harps back to the second generation of CAN-AM when old F5000 cars were
>>outfitted with extra bodywork and fenders to give that sports car illusion.
>
>Then again there are some parallels here. You have a series which
>causes a "techno-dollar" war between competitors, in which
>only a few can play, and eventually the series dies out. Look at
>the Can-Am in 72-73 when Penske/Porsche spent megabucks to win
>the series and no one else could keep up, sort of like the
>current GTP series, and to some extent the WSC.
>
>I hate the idea of "recycled" racers being used as the basis of a
>series. Why not have a series based on production-based, non
>turbo-charged enginges all having some minimum weight to displacement
>formula leaving aerodynamics free, or even let the GTL cars
>"grow up" like the Chevy-Spice.
>
>Ric Golen
I received some additional information on IMSA's proposed
World Sports Cars, WSC again :-), and it sounds much closer
to Ric's vision.
 
Its unlikely that used Indy car chassis will be used, as
the rules call for flat bottoms and no internal tunnels
or diffusers. The engine specs will be 4.? liter pushrod
and 3.? liter overhead cam, with weight adjustments to
equalize competition. In fact a couple of Camel Lights
teams have commented that it would be very easy to
convert a current CL car to first generation WSC specs,
and may do so for 93, especially if there's some bonus
money to encourage WSC cars to run. The IMSA release
I received did not indicate whether center seat chassis
would be allowed; the WSC rules are still in concept
stage forthe most part rather being available in
detail
 
Greg Rickes
 
 
 
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From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Subject: Re: Cat among the pigeons!
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 23 Nov 92 02:32:13 GMT

In <9211201313.AA17883@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu> PHT007%SIRIUS.UKC.AC.UK@ib.rl.ac.uk writes:

>Everyone is probably going to flame me for this, but here goes anyway.

Nah, just disagree...

>Did everyone notice how great the Australian GP was AFTER Mansell and Senna had
>gone out. We had two top rate real racers racing hard against each other. This

Actually, we had two topper (higher?) rated drivers competing closely
with each other before the accident, and they weren't after the accident.
Yes, don't forget that Senna was giving it a damn good shot, and it was
quite entertaining. The main problem with the accident was :
1. it happened at all
2. the recriminations afterwards
3. the amount of postings that it's getting.


If the accident hadn't happened, chances are that everyone would have
said 'what a cracker of a race, pity Senna blew his motor trying to 
keep up' ;^).


regards,
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From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: Andretti
Keywords: F1, Indy, American
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:59:48 GMT


In article <18NOV199212314113@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>,
scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY) writes:
|>
|>In article <1992Nov18.135930.18462@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, 
|>garr@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (guido.a.rijo) writes...
|>
|>>Someone else mentioned that Mario was born in Italy. I just want
|>>to mention that you don't have to be born in the USA to be an American,
|>>I am a living example.
|>
|>Does that mean that if Mansell lives in Clearwater, FL, then he is American 
|>and not British?

No.  It means that if Mansell changes his nationality and becomes a naturalized
American citizen, then he is American and not British.

--PSW
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From: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
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Subject: Great car!
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:54:36 GMT
Reply-To: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Organization: Reading Rehab Hospital, Reading PA

In article <11NOV199212144812@zeus.tamu.edu> rtw5722@zeus.tamu.edu (Ryan T. Wood) writes:
)                                    __    
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)                      |         /   []   \         |
)          __________  |=============[]=============|  __________
)         /          \ | ____/_______[]_______\____ | /          \
)         |          |  /_____/~~~~~~[]~~~~~~\_____\  |          |
)         |          |********|  Ferrari F1  |********|          |
)         |          |********|_____    _____|********|          |
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   Now im not a Ferrari fan, but I must admit this is one of the better
  works (in ASCII art) that I have seen.
 
  -Dan
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From: unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks)
Subject: Re: Why doesn't Cheever have a ride? (Was: Ganassi/Luyendyk)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:05:57 GMT

Robert J Unglenieks writes:
>>Arie only took the car at Indy a few days before first qualifying. On WTTV he
>>bemoaned the fact that he had so little time with the car.  Come raceday, he
>>was really about the only driver with a shot at Andretti.  A midrace run-in
>>with Foyt ended that race.  

Radio 90.1 FM WLAY Tarkington Hall writes:
>Run-in with Foyt??  Maybe a bad line off of 4 trying to lap A.J. on the 
>outside, but nothing I'd call a run-in...

Foyt took full blame for the Luyendyk accident in the press conference
before the banquet.  That preceded his statement that he wasn't the AJ
he "used to be."  Had AJ not lost his rear-view mirror in an earlier
incident.... who knows.


>And for all this bitching I hear about "why doesn't Eddie have a ride?", 
>I should hope there was at least as much complaining for the past year
>about "why doesn't Arie have a ride?"  If the crew is as good as the 
>driver, look for great things (2 or 3 wins, top 5 in points) from this 
>team!!

I can hardly wait for the first race.  Hope they finish that wall soon.
I want to see Nige do some practice laps....

Rob U
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From: taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Ross Taylor,Peyt312,6652,2655436)
Subject: Re: US Citizenship (was: Andretti)
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:38:04 GMT

From article <1992Nov18.212002.7262@neptune.inf.ethz.ch>, by marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti):
> In article <18NOV199212314113@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>,

stuff deleted

> No.  Mansell is British (or subject of Her Majesty, the Queen,
> if you prefer) according to the approriate sections of the
> British Nationality Act.
> 
> He could become American (US citizen, to be precise) if he
> - obtains permanent resident status in the US (the so-called
>   Green Card, which is actually more blue/turquoise than green)
> - applies for American citizenship after having had permanent
>   resident status in the US for at least 5 years
> - and finally passes some examination about US history.
> 
> Robert Marti                    |  Phone:    +41 1 254 72 60

Note that if NM (or any one else) does what Robert says, he/she
does not lose their UK citizenship.  The only way to lose UK
citizenship is to renounce it in front of a representative of the
Queen (the consulate staff I suppose).  This is true for UK
citizens but may not be true for other nationals; it depends
on the laws of the other country, not so much on the laws of the US.


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From: bradley@reed.edu (Ben Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: From C'Ball: New Photo Techniques
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:01:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov20.190147.25065
Organization: Reed College, Portland OR


Once again, forwarded from Bob Kehoe (bob@ncube.com):



Howdy from the ozone - where r.a.s. is not available....

The other day in the mail I found the following from Deke Houlgate 
Enterprises, who handle PR for Pennzoil.  A black and white photo of 
John Andretti's Pennzoil IndyCar taken at Laguna, with the following 
press release:

MONTEREY, Calif. -- On Oct. 16, John Andretti drove his Pennzoil Special 
Indy car over the hill at Laguna Seca's turn 7 and into the history books.

Standing several hundred feet away on the outside of turn 8, photographer 
Brian Leshon of Los Angeles snapped a picture of Andretti with a camera 
that contained no film, and minutes later the resulting color picture was 
being transmitted to a vast audience of computer-racing junkies.  Strike 
one more blow for technology.  Sony, which markets the camera Leshon used, 
is pioneering a new concept in photography -- instant snapshots without 
chemistry.

Transmitting the photo into the offices and dens of a potential one million 
viewers was the work of Michael Hollander, an advertising executive from 
Redondo Beach, Calif, who supervises Racing Information Systems, one of the 
services of Compuserve, which provides information and news on a
variety of general and specific topics via modem to subscribers.

To retrieve the photo of Andretti in his bright yellow race car, a 
Compuserve subscriber need only call the service, type in "Go Racing" 
on command and ask for access to the "IndyCar Library."  The
photo can then be displayed on a computer screen or printed out -- in vivid 
color or black and white.

When Leshon shot Andretti's picture, the shutter opened and let light into 
the lens.  Instead of exposing the film, however, the light registered on 
an electronic sensor called a Charged Coupled Device (CCD).  The image 
registered just as if it were a TV signal, but with greater clarity.  One
of the features of the camera is that it allows a lens with a long focal 
length to operate with a fast shutter speed.  The result: Pennzoil letters 
on the car stand out in bold relief.  On TV from that distance theymight 
appear indistinct or even illegible.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Just passing along some racing tidbits which I find most interesting.
Also, some news about IMSA this week, wasn't it!

-cball-



Ben
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From: David_McCullum@mindlink.bc.ca (David McCullum)
Subject: Re: Nissan and IMSA
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:50:54 GMT

> Scott Winders writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <winders-191192154814@macwinders.support.apple.com>
> Posted: 19 Nov 92 23:57:07 GMT
>
> Org.  : Apple Computer, Inc.
>
> [stuff deleted]
>
> Also, the Porsche 911 has been nailed by *huge* penalties all of its
> racing life. Has this ever stopped them from winning? NO!!!!!
>
> When the factory gets involved, forget it, Porsche always wins...

I guess that CART racing doesn't count?
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From: dougw@grebyn.com (Doug Worthington)
Subject: Al Jr. and IMSA.  Just 34 days til Daytona, for karters that is. 
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:19:08 GMT

I heard that Al Jr. was going to run in the last IMSA race this year.
If the race has taken place does anybody know how Al did?  If the race 
hasn't been run when is it?

dougw
dougw@grebyn.com
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:07:22 EST
From: <BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Re: World 600
 <Bxzorp.G1u@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1992Nov20.023444.12857@ncsu.edu>
 <1992Nov20.040528.19471@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>

In article <1992Nov20.040528.19471@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>,
unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks) says:

>Radio 90.1 FM WLAY Tarkington Hall writes:
>>>It's been announced that the 1993 World 600 will start at 4:30 p.m. EDT
>>>on May 30... Charlotte will continue to get their money's worth out of that
>>>multi-million dollar light system.

>Tracy L. Brooks writes:
>>The World 600 at 4:30pm on a Sunday?  Surely if they have it at night it
>>will be on a Saturday.  I hope so anyway.  If it is on a Sunday evening
>>they will be a lot of people missing work on Monday ;-)

>Only if those people work on Memorial Day......

>Rob U
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>-   native criminal class except Congress."  [Samuel Langhorne Clemens]    -
>-  (Don't look at me, I DIDN'T vote for Clinton.  Will Engineer For Food)  -

During the Hooter's this was talked about and on RACEDAY before
       the race. They didn't want to keep going head to head with Indy.
       So, since the lighting is there, they'll start at 4:30 and
       finish under the lights. Thats gonna be a really interesting twist
       to an already tough race. The track is gonna change so much. I wonder
       if it'll be gradual enough that they will be able to keep the cars
       "dialed in"? What a day for racing. The only bad part is that there
       is also a drag race that day that I could watch in the early evening
       before I finished my vcr tape of the Indy race.
       Oh yeah, one other reason they may have moved is part of an agreement
       to let NASCAR have a race there. The thinking being that they won't
       loose viewers to each other and keep sponsors happy.
     Brian 'is it Memorial weekend yet daddy? ' France

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From: lls@kings.demon.co.uk (Lady Lodge Systems)
Subject: Re: Andretti
Organization: Lady Lodge Systems
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 11:05:46 GMT

In article <184329@pyramid.pyramid.com> danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones) writes:
>JAMES DORCEY writes:
>
>>>Someone else mentioned that Mario was born in Italy. I just want
>>>to mention that you don't have to be born in the USA to be an American,
>>>I am a living example.
>>
>>Does that mean that if Mansell lives in Clearwater, FL, then he is American
>>and not British?
>
>Yes, that's right, he's now OUR Nige'. :-)  

Great! You're welcome to the whinging git!	:-)

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From: fireman@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Tracy L. Brooks)
Subject: Re: World 600
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:34:44 GMT

In article <Bxzorp.G1u@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> wlay@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Radio 90.1 FM WLAY Tarkington Hall) writes:
>I just read this in the new AutoWeek, but I haven't seen it on the Net, so I'll
>post it for those who haven't heard somehow...(not a quote)
>It's been announced that the 1993 World 600 will start at 4:30 p.m. EDT
>on May 30... Charlotte will continue to get their money's worth out of that
>multi-million dollar light system.
>
>That'll make one helluva double-header for the couch-potato crowd:
>Indy at noon (we NASCAR fans will hold our outdoor festivities then!)
>and the 600 at 4:30...
>
>Gentlemen, start your barbecues!
>

The World 600 at 4:30pm on a Sunday?  Surely if they have it at night it
will be on a Saturday.  I hope so anyway.  If it is on a Sunday evening
they will be a lot of people missing work on Monday ;-)

Tracy B.

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