HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: vashti@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Vashti Galpin)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Demuffining (I think)
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:28:22 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, University of the Witwatersrand

Hi

it's demuffining time (at last). I have been trying to find a good
time to post to soc.bi and to meet all you interested, fascinating, 
wonderful people. This has been difficult. Firstly, our stupid NNTP
server expires news once a day, and also I'm in a time warp --
news takes about 4-6 days to reach this site. If I post on Monday,
any responses may appear and disappear over the weekend; by Friday,
I'm too exhausted (we have a pice of software called newsdigest, but 
it doesn't seem to work properly). Secondly, being shy, I find this 
type of thing difficult to do (This is only the 24th draft of this
posting :-).

Anyway enough of this waffle, hello everyone, nice to meet you. I tend
to be a bit formal with people I've only just met, so e-handshakes
(hopefully things will degenerate soon).

Vashti

(please excuse the boring sig)
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Vashti Galpin                      vashti@concave.cs.wits.ac.za
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2050 Wits, South Africa.  Tel 27(11)716-3295 Fax 27(11)403-1926
From: aag@mari.co.uk (Angela Gilham)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Colin's Beard
Date: 5 Sep 92 18:58:58 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: MARI Computer Systems, Gateshead

In article <10630@scott.ed.ac.uk> bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk 
(Bethan Davies) writes:
   In article <memo.608850@cix.compulink.co.uk> 
   cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
   >
   >[Colin he of the strokable beard writes:]
   >
   >>P.P.S.  I haven't had my beard stroked for over 60 hours now, and
   >>I'm starting to get serious withdrawl symptoms.  <Sniff!>
   >
   >Awwwww, Colin.... come one down to Bath some time and I'll stroke that
   >lovely beard all night long for you... come to think of it, you could
   >come up to Edinburgh and Bethan could join in!!!

   YesYesYesYesYes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hmmm. <bog vampyre gains news access for a few brief hours, looks
around and sees all these desirable people flirting> You gentlemen
wouldn't care to visit Edinburgh by way of Newcastle, would you?

			     Bethan

   Hey....
   Nobody's said _I'm_ cute and strokeable yet..... <pout>

Sorry. These self-evident truths tend to get overlooked occasionally.

Ang (note new address . . . though alas, sans news access)
--
Angela Gilham.      amg@mari.co.uk      | "You walked out of my front door,
MARI Computer Systems,                  | I wasn't then, but now I'm sure;
The Old Town Hall,  +44 490 1515 x265   | I need to be at least 2,000 miles 
Gateshead, Tyne and Wear.               | away from you!"  --- Erasure
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: Disturbed
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 00:47:29 GMT

 pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler) writes:
>> 
>> Has anybody got a high-paying job for an Oxford graduate in English? 
>> Thought not
>
>                Harvey Milk College, University of Oxford
>                    CHAIR OF BISEXUAL LITERATURE

>Salary is commensurate with similar positions 
>elsewhere but will not be less than #60,000 p.a.

Oh, good, I'll be able to afford the air fares... <sniff>

You heartbreaker Peter; I'll be too old by the time Oxford accepts Bisexuality
as traditional and worthy enough for a Chair. Unless, of course, someone has
buckets of money to give the University (& if ke can afford a 60k salary, ke
probably can).

I shall just try ATTICA Cybernetics later today.

> These activities include (but are not limited to):
>sailing, hang-gliding, canoeing, abseiling, parachuting, parascending,

And today was the last day of St. Giles' Fair, so I went on all the *dangerous*
rides. Balliol College looks cool flying by upside down...

Tanaqui
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Quayles meet Usenet (was Re: PLEASE VOTE!!!)
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 13:55:04 EDT

pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:

> 
> There was a Canadian queer publication (whose name escapes me - 
> anybody remember?) that had to shut down around 1987.  They
> were citing gov't harrassment and threat of prosecution as
> the reasons.
> 
> Ellen (Clary)
> 
> 
> 

I don't know what the publication was but I would believe it.  Someone 
pointed out to me that you can't get "the Joy of Gay Sex" any more, or 
whatever it was called, and it seems to be true.  Dumb but true.

On the other hand, it seems to me that some of the legal events of the 
past few days in Ontario is real breakthrough stuff.  By legal ruling, 
gay spouses have the same rights as spouses who are MOTOS.

Wow.

Namaste,
Elizabeth

P.S.  One assumes this would not extend to a second spouse.  I wonder 
when that limitation will be challenged in court....

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: whatever . . .
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 22:57:10 EDT

bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth) writes:

> the hair on our faces makes us more abrasive. ;)  My wife's comments on the
> differences between me and her lover are: physical size, muscle tone and stub
> 
> 


I find that size (weight particularly) makes a difference.  I also find 
that sometimes men just don't know their own strength and end up being 
rougher than they mean to be.  Not a problem, just a difference.

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: in the closet
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:14:33 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

While I've known for a long time that I'm attracted to women as well as to
men, it's been on my mind a lot more in the past couple of years.
I've been married for 16 years (lived together for 2 yrs before that),
and never made love with a women.

I actually managed to talk to my husband this past weekend.
He's kind of in shock, and so am I. I'm also having a hard time 
knowing how "valid" my feelings for women are.  If I wasn't 
in a committed relationship, I'd just go out and
try it and see, but I really do care about my husband and my marriage,
so I  don't feel it's a good idea.

All my close female friends live out of the area, and while I can
actually imagine talking to a couple of them about my feelings (as far
as I know, all of my close female friends are straight), I absolutely
refuse to talk about this stuff over the phone.

There is actually a gay/lesbian group at work, but my husband works for
the same company and he's very uneasy about my adding my name to the
list, or indeed, in my contacting them in any way.

On the subject of coming out to parents, we also talked about the
Newsweek article and I found that J. had some surprising (to me)
views.  He feels homosexuality is "unfortunate" (his word -- I
find society's attitute unfortunate), and says if one of our
kids were gay, he'd wonder what, if anything, he did to cause  it.
He also disapproves of adoption for gays, since he wonders if
something in a gay relationship might incline the kids towards
homosexuality.  I'm still in shock.   But then, at the moment, I'm
still in shock in general.

Peggy
pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com
Who still feels incredibly confused, but really has
reached the breaking point, and hopes at least for some folks to
talk to ..
From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: More fun photos
Date: 7 Sep 92 20:51:04
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu's message of Sun, 06 Sep 92 04:36:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep06.043643.10535@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>Post hot-tubbing
>Mike on living room floor giving a purring Coe a backrub

>Same shot but includes a contented Muffy looking on.

Contented is not *quite* the word.  Anyone know a word for when your
entire body is very happy, but has pretty much given up all hope of ever
motivating again? *grin*

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy | muffy@mica.berkeley.edu | wi.4636@wizvax.methuen.ma.us
~Little round planet/in a big universe/sometimes it looks blessed/
 sometimes it looks cursed/Depends on what you look at, obviously/
 But even more it depends on the way that you see~ - Bruce Cockburn
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi pamphlet - enough already! 8->
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:36:53 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:

>yes Yes YEs YES!  Sorry Sara, you'll have to give the SuperSaver to
>Bethan :-)  I take it all back.  You are a true and pure linguist!

Bi all means; what would I want to be doing in a dreadful place like
London anyway?  If you live there then it's your own fault that they
don't sell decent fudge.

Sara
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 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
From: pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: This Weekend
Date: 8 Sep 92 11:35:09 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <6026@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>, zzaascd@meehpa.ee.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente) writes:
> In article <25560@castle.ed.ac.uk>, angi@festival.ed.ac.uk (Angi Lamb) writes:
> |> mlloyd@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Lloyd) writes:
> |> 
> |> |Mike, in no-holds-barred flirting mood
> |> 
> |> Can i join in too? I've got post-flirting blues from Norwich. And
> |> Edinburgh Bi Groupd only meets once a week *pout*.
>              ^^^^^^^^^
> 
> You have a Bi Group daemon?!  Wow!  What machine does it run on?  What
> transport protocol?  TCP or UDP?  Let's see... they're bisexuals, so won't be using a reliable transport like TCP - okay so which UDSERVER               

Nah, probably uses Z39.50 or nntp (nice-to-nice transport protocol), over
bisynchronous lines, natch (eeek, then it would be RSCS, Rampant Sex
Communications Subsystem...)

///Peter, wasting protocol space
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: Lovely things found in my mailbox
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:54:15 GMT

Hey, Fritz, your post was interesting.  Good luck with a third party.

-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
From: fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Lemmings!
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:10:58 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
 [ about Elite ]
>The Achimedes version is just as hard to fly/play as the original BBC
>version. In fact if you try to use the mouse control option, it's even
>harder to fly. 

 Hah! Nothing, but nothing, compares to the difference in difficulty
between playing Zarch (aka Virus) on keyboard and mouse.. The number of
times I flipped upside-down, and whacked straight into the ground,
is embarrassing. What's needed is an auto-centering mouse;
quite how that would work, though, is beyond me. Elastic band
attatched to the base and pinned down? I doubt it..

 ObBiBit. Umm. Oh; I remember now. According to the latest news.lists,
soc.bi now has 31,000 readers; and is the 555th most popular group.

 (hmm. That means we need /less/ people to be the Group Of The Beast.
Not really a desirable option..)
 
-- 
Daniel Mitchell |fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu| 18, High St
     aka        |m91djm@ecs.ox.ac.uk          | Earls Colne
Fenthe Marten   |dmitchell@cix.compulink.co.uk| Essex CO6 2PA
                `---bisexual furry juggler----' ENGLAND
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Linguists and Innocence
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:13:58 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <10629@scott.ed.ac.uk> bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies)
writes:

>Hey, you really _are_ going to give people the wrong impression. It wasn't
>_that_ skimpy.... even when Owen persuaded me to roll the leggings down to
>reveal my ...uh... navel....

>Fortunately, noone had a camera that evening..... phew!

Hey, I had a camera. But I was so hung up on Helen that I lost all interest
in taking photographs. I did wonder if you'd misheard me when you continued
rolling after your navel had come into view. I know the disco was a Safe
Space(tm) but that really would have been going too far :-).

Owen.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Re: Clive Barker's book "Imajica" (warning: spoilers)
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:17:14 GMT

>>If you plan on reading this excellent book then you might want
>>to kil this thread since I'll probably be giving a few spoilers.


In <1992Sep14.230648.27783@henson.cc.wwu.edu>
n8442349@henson.cc.wwu.edu (The Matriarch) writes:
>Ciaran McHale writes:
>>"Imajica" is a long book (about 1140 pages) and it took me
>>approximately two weeks or more to read it. I noticed that I felt
>>uneasy reading the book [possibly due to internalised homophobia]
>>which expressed itself in not being able to fully accept the
>>androgeny of the mystif and its relationship with Gentle.
>
>	At least you recognize this possibility.  Perhaps your discomfort
>was also related to the story being in part a retelling of the story of
>the Messiah of Judeo-Christianity?  And the implications that the son of
>god was bi?  Although that could fall under internalized homophobia as

No, my "discomfort" started long before it became clear that there was
a connection with Christ. Actually, I loved the connection between the
the characters of the book and the Christian god: quite original and
probably verging on blasphfemy.


Ciaran.
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Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-772204 email: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: whatever . . .
Date: 12 Sep 92 19:38:14 GMT
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <ZPwyqB7w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:

>I find that size (weight particularly) makes a difference.  I also find 
>that sometimes men just don't know their own strength and end up being 
>rougher than they mean to be.  Not a problem, just a difference.
>
>Namaste,
>Elizabeth

Yes, and that's true of women, too.  My ex-girlfriend is probably 50 lbs
heavier than me, and wasn't very careful about whether she was squishing
me or not.  My most recent male lover is 10 lbs lighter than me, so we
never had that problem.


-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: This thread is disturbing to me (Re: whatever )
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:02:05 GMT

[I wrote:]
>>Now this statement makes me wonder how the "waving the cock out the
>>window" example was meant to be taken in some special metaphorical sense.
>>But what that sense is, is totally obscure.  "I'm attacking the ATTACKER"
>>again sounds like "women must always be nice, never turn down requests for
>>sex, and if they do, I'll verbally blast them."
>
[Eric wrote:]
>The metaphor is "men as big shaggy lovable dogs". They may be crude in
>expression but their heart is in the right place.
>
I'm sorry.  But there is no apparent connection between a man waving his
cock out of a window, a strange and threatening gesture, and a happy
slobbering, big shaggy dog getting his/her/its muddy paws all over you.

I knew Big Shaggy Dog.  Big Shaggy Dog was my friend.  etc.

[Me:]
>>It is ALWAYS ok to say no to somebody.  And you don't have to have a 
>>reason.
>
[Eric:]
>To refer this to the theme I was working, rejecting someone is fine.
>Pursuing and hounding the person for asking in the first place is not.
>"No" is fine, "No, and you haven't any right to consider me sexually,
>and I'm going to make you miserable for asking" is not, when the approach
>is not crude or threatening. The general idea is that it needs to be made
>safe for nice people to express sexual interest in each other.
>That's about all I was driving at.

Then why did you use a crude and threatening example?  You could have used
a different one like:  "Gee, Josephine, I really like you, I'd like to
go out with you."  Unless the speaker is Josephine's boss or dissertation
advisor, this would be neither crude nor threatening.  [And remember, I'm
preaching to myself as well].

- Heather,
  who has learned how to deal with obscurity by reading lots of bad
  philosophy.
-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:03:33 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

daveb@harlqn.co.uk (Dave Berry) writes:

>sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) replies:
>>It was *Kate*!  And not the same Kate who was at the party, either, but
>>an Edinburgh bisexual activist.  <sigh>

>Actually, this Kate was at the party too, from around 10 o'clock.
>She spent quite a bit of time talking to the other Kate.  :-)

Ooops, *blush* of course she was, I *do* remember, honest, it's just she
didn't manage to get into nearly as many photos as the other Kate.

Sara
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 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<   ** nice **   \/\/ The Swamp
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: whatever . . .
Organization: TFS
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 12:49:07 GMT

pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>It's been my experience that when there's one man with a group of women,
> the man gets ignored entirely.

It must be he's boring, or they're ignoring circumstances.
Sorry. Were I there, I would consume the resources.

None of us are ultimately stupid, though for some of us it takes more
lifetimes than others. You don't think I would incarnate on Earth if I
didn't want to party, do you?

I think it's because us sweeties is so *shy*, you know. I would say Hey.
And if I would be first, tough darts for you, sis.

- M. Venus in Pisces (ecsd)
From: lorico@boomboom.Eng.Sun.COM (Lori Cotton)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: whatever . . .
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:27:47 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: boomboom

>stroking and ever so gentle caressing.  Of course being the gentler
>sex we never wrestle with each other or pin each other down.
>We never fuck each other till our brains spill on the floor, with fists,
>dildos, even bigger dildos or what ever else comes to hand.  

Oh my *blush* so early in the morning!  Iseult, you make me want to go 
home and it's only 9:30 a.m. on Friday.  ;^)

To me gentler sex only comes after we're too weak to pin each other down
anymore.  Now, where did I put those handcuffs...



--
lori.cotton@west.Sun.COM	|   "If I can't be trusted with a choice, then
SunSoft, Inc.			|    how can I be trusted with a child."
Los Angeles, CA			|	Source -- Bumper Sticker
From: kenj@kambo.wpd.sgi.com (Ken ``Blackfur'' Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi way of...
Date: 12 Sep 92 00:13:38 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

Drakon@cup.portal.com (HARRY BENJAMIN GIBSON) writes:

>Anyway, I sitting here reading it, keeping my eye on the closet in case Rod
>Serling pops out.

I didn't know that Rod Serling was gay.

:-)

I didn't know that he had anything to do with the original "Planet of
the Apes" movie, either.  But Wednesday night I happened to be
flipping around the channels and caught it on the Disney Channel.  I
was so surprised, I don't even remember whether he was a co-producer,
co-director, co-writer, or co-dependent.

- Ken
From: bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi pamphlet - enough already! 8->
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:39:25 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <5994@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> colin@manchester.ac.uk writes:
>In article <10597@scott.ed.ac.uk>, bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies) writes:
>|> In article <1992Sep1.111730.23582@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>
>|> >1. Some linguists cringe when they see the word "gender" misused. The
>|> >correct word is "sex". However, in this case I think it is valid to say
>|> >"fuck the linguists (especially the cute ones:-)!" and continue to
>
>|> Do *I* count ....?      <innocent look>
>
>And you complain that Kay is ruining your reputation!  You brazen hussy, you!
>
>How *do* you manage to look soooo innocent, and yet be so, errrr..., well,
>un-innocent?

But I _am_ innocent.....
.... well, at least I was until a certain party, anyway.... :)

Anyway, I have to practice the <innocent looks> for when I go to my parents...

>P.S.  I've got a book on linguistics, *and* Geoff wrote out two ASCII
>representations of the IPA for be at the conference, so do I count too?

Well, you're definitely cute <HUG> <skritch>
.... and so was Geoff, for that matter...

>P.P.S.  I haven't had my beard stroked for over 60 hours now, and I'm starting
>to get serious withdrawl symptoms.  <Sniff!>

Awww... never mind, sweetie. We'll just have to organise another beard-stroking
session....
(It has the same sort of effect on the strokers as the strokees, y'know)
Have another <skritch> or five....

I have some _very_ cute piccies of Colin having his beard skritched, btw
<smile>



                         Bethan
From: sbit37@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Paul Gould)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Birthday Greetings
Date: 5 Sep 92 10:34:11 GMT
Organization: The University of Liverpool
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Mary A. Axford (li40163@prism.gatech.EDU) wrote:
>
>	Celebration is in order.  Our famed and beloved Official
>Muffin Taster (Peter Flynn) is having a birthday on Saturday
>September 5th.
>

Happy Birthday, Peter!!! *hug* *squeeze*
I'm actually posting this on the day of your birthday: too bad you won't get
to see it until afterwards.

>	Hope its a happy one.

Seconded.

Paul
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