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From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:27:25 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep30.033029.27004@nuscc.nus.sg> isc40041@nusunix1.nus.sg (LOO KOK HOE) writes:
>Nadja Adolf (nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM) wrote:
>: 
>: Clitoridectomy and infibulation are practiced in Egypt. The Guidebook
>: explains that, as do other resources.
>: 
>: BTW George, is infibulation practiced in Singapore?
>: 
>: 
>: -- 
>: The Earth Pig Bourne....
>: 
>: nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
>: nadja@weitek.com

>no ... Never heard of such practice in Singapore.
>The Muslim population here is about 20% of the whole population ...

>Btw Nadja, is infibulation is practiced in ur area ?

Only by Muslim immigrants.

>Good Day !
>George ( going for the Kill ! )

Gee, George, I ask you a question, you respond like a twit, and you call
that a Kill? I assume the kill you meant was the killfile.


-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med,chi.general
From: carl@aoa.aoa.utc.com (Carl Witthoft)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Organization: Adaptive Optics Associates
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:45:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.130847.7837@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>	"ADD" is a falacy.  The majority if not all kids/people
>	with this type of behaviour/attention "disorder" is due
>	to allergic/sensitivity reactions to various foods and
>	things in their environment.
x
This is an old and well-worn piece of incorrect quackery.  Various
people have espoused everything from wholegrain bread to zero
sugar diets to handle ADD children.  In general the value of
 such an approach is that the child gets a lot of personal
attention because some adult is administering the diet, and the
direct attention and responsiveness helps.
There are people who think (and I use the word loosely) that allergies
cause nearly everything wrong under the sun, including ADD, but there's
no statistically valid evidence that this is so.


-- 
Carl Witthoft @ Adaptive Optics Associates
aoa!carl@bbn.com  carl@aoa.utc.com
54 CambridgePark Drive, Cambridge,MA 02140 617-864-0201
"My Karma just ran over my Dogma!"
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med,chi.general
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 13:08:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.180321.25015@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> hendricks@cdrom.enet.dec.com writes:
>
>An excellent introduction to ADD for a layperson is
>Sally Smith's "No Easy Answers, the Learning Disabled
>Child at Home and at School".  Most bookstores can order
>it, but it's not often found on the shelves.  It's a $5
>paperback.
>
>It is full of references and resources.  It's a very
>affirming book for parents, teachers, and people who
>have ADD because it takes a lot of the
>behaviors out of the realm of frustrations, judgements,
>and aggravations on the interpersonal level, and helps
>put them in the context of what it's like to *be* the
>ADD person, and how parents and teachers can realistically
>help an ADD person.
>
>I wrote a long paper on Adults with LDs when I was in grad
>school back in 84; I'd be happy to talk with people via
>email about getting you a copy if you want to send me an 8.5x11 
>SASE with enough postage for 30 pages.  It's a little out
>of date, but still quite useful and full of references.
>
>[One of the reasons this interests me is that I am a 
>40 year old successful professional who appeared to be destined 
>for high school dropout status (in spite of a very high IQ) 
>due to ADD (they called it MBD or minimal brain dysfunction 
>back in the 50s), hyperactivity, and the numerous emotional 
>problems that go along with that.  I was on dexedrine for years, 
>and was a very unhappy child in school.
>
>Working through this, finding out how I learned effectively, 
>and becoming a strong advocate on my own behalf so that I could 
>succeed has been as great a source of satisfaction for me as 
>anything could be.]
>
>Holly
>--
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>   Holly Hendricks
>   Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH 
>   hendricks@cdrom.enet.dec.com
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

	"ADD" is a falacy.  The majority if not all kids/people
	with this type of behaviour/attention "disorder" is due
	to allergic/sensitivity reactions to various foods and
	things in their environment.

	Prescribing something like Ritalin for "ADD", is like
	taking "downers" to counteract the "uppers" you just took.
 
-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Catsuits (was Re: US: A national birth portrait)
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:45:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.180228.3369@adobe.com> riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle) writes:

>A catsuit is a sleek one-piece outfit that typically zips up the
>front.  Imagine a leotard and leggings joined together.  You usually
>see them in black, though I'm sure they make them in other colors.  I
>would imagine you would want a body like Michelle Pfieffer to wear
>one.  (Well, I would anyway!)

A dissenting vote: Let's hear it for fat cats!

I've seen custom-made catsuits advertised in a catalogue for "large"
(as in fat) women.  These were made of black lace, and I've known a
couple of deliciously fat women who would have looked divine in them.
Since they're made to order, they could presumably be made in maternity
sizes too.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry)
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:58:13 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA


IMHO, the thing to remember about child-rearing is that
it's like pruning a tree:  you can encourage a tree to make
the most of its natural growing patterns, but you can't turn
an oak into an apple tree by trellising it.
       
The tone of your article bothers me, because it sounds
(perhaps unfairly) that you have decided your bright
daughter *has* to be in a prestigious profession where
she does good for other people.  (You mention "lawyer,
or at least... doctor".)  Four is awfully early
to have a career planned out -- for all you know,
she may have musical skills, or artistic, or social,
as well as being bright.  Think hard -- would you
consider your daughter a failure if she were an
elementary-school teacher, or a nurse?  And if so, why?

I, too, want my daughter to be smart, strong, and
famous; but those are ultimately *my* fantasies,
not hers*.  I went to a prestigious college, and
I knew too many parents who were insisting that
their children live up to the parents' expectations
of success, rather than their own.  The students
I knew who *had* to be doctors weren't happy people.
The students who *wanted* to be doctors often were.
         
*Okay, I'll settle for smart and strong.  ;-)

Now, on to the question you really asked, "How
do I reinforce my daughter when she's conforming
to social rules she learned from the outside world?"
What I believe in is offering options:  when Ellen
says "I want to be a mommy", I'll say "That's good;
would you like to be a construction worker/zoo keeper/
technical writer too?"  If she says "No, mommies
can't be doctors", I provide counterexamples.  But
I try to provide a palette of choices, not just the
high-paid high-prestige ones.  

> We have told
>her many times that Ariel is not really a good girl because she
>only wants to play but does not want to study and do some useful
>things.  I guess we have yet to get our message across.

The other possibility is that you've gotten the message
across that there are two halves to life: the part you enjoy
(play) and the part you don't enjoy but have to do (study,
useful things).  Maybe you'd be better off finding
a competing role model to Ariel -- a fictional character
who works hard, but who enjoys her work.  Try "Miss Rumphius",
a wonderful picture-book about a woman who believes that
"You must make the world more beautiful".   In my household, 
distraction works better than simple denial.
-- 
Betsy Hanes Perry   (note P in userid)     betsyp@apollo.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard Company
"It seems to us that the readers who want fiction to be like life are
considerably outnumbered by those who would like life to be like fiction."
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dan@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com (Dan Breslau)
Subject: Re: When did you feel "grown-up"
Organization: none
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:21:15 GMT


When I got out of college in '84, I wound up moving back in with
my folks.  Though they were very good about letting me live my
own life, I didn't really feel grown up.

Then I moved out and bought a condo (right at the top of the market --
what perfect timing!).  Still, even paying a mortgage didn't make
me feel grown up.

Then I got engaged, and my fiance moved in with me later that year.
Even that didn't quite make me feel grown up.

Then we bought a washer/drier set.  Now we had real independence!  No
more going back to the folks' house to do laundry!

Wow, did we feel grown up then!

Dan Breslau
dan@codex.com
Speaking for no one but myself and my wife, obviously...
From: chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu (L.E. Chirlian)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Happy Birthday!
Date: 30 Sep 1992 08:57:49 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


	Libby is one today!  I can't believe it.  The past year has
gone by _so_ quickly (in contrast to my pregnancy which lasted four
years, three of them during the ninth month :-)).  Even though it's
only been a year it's almost impossible to remember life before Libby.
I think I'm being a little bit sentimental, last night I couldn't stop
humming "Sunrise Sunset".  

	So much has changed this past year.  I remember when Libby was
very young how much I wished she came with lights (like in a car that
tell you the problem).  One would light when she was hungry, one when
she was sleepy (those two were hard to tell apart becuase she liked to
nurse either way), one would sound a warning when she was starting to
get overstimulated (that would help mostly with relatives who don't
believe that the baby has had enough).  Now she can tell me what she
wants (well sort of).  At least she's very good at telling me what she
doesn't want and (usually) by process of elimiation I can figure it
out.  

	Well, sorry for another self-indulgent post.  I just wanted to
tell other people (who have children) how happy I am.  To all the
other parents of just turned and almost turned one year olds --- Happy
Birthday to all of them!  

		Lisa (Libby's mom _1_ today!)

ps	to all those people who recomended Duplos over Legos.  Libby
is going to get Duplos for her birthday.  I just don't think she's
ready for the motorized airport shuttle yet :-).  Talk about sticker
shock, that set is $160.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Lisa Chirlian                                  chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu
 Department of Chemistry, Bryn Mawr College, Bryn Mawr, PA 19010
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jackie8@dasher.uucp (Jackie Brady)
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Organization: Bellcore - Piscataway, NJ
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 17:42:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.160918.12999@engage.pko.dec.com> pub@riscee.pko.dec.com (Publius) writes:
>We have a 4 years old daughter who is really bright.  Her preschool
[stuff on trying to get a 4 year old thinking of a career deleted]

I may be opening up a flame war for asking this, but does anyone
else think that a 4 year old is just a little *too* young to have
a career formulated already?  I mean, really.  I wouldn't think of
taking anything that a 4 year old says regarding what she wants to
do when she grows up seriously.  And I know that this was discussed
ad nauseum a month or so ago, but in my opinion banning a movie based
around a talking mermaid who has a talking lobster for a friend because
it has the heroine being a housewife to a prince is a little....I don't
know what the word would be.....over cautious.?  I mean.  It's a cartoon.
I don't see how that could affect her life so dramatically that you would
need to ban it.

But then again, this is only my opinion.  Maybe I should just leave
well enough alone and go back to lurking.
---
Jackie Brady/jackie8@cc.bellcore.com/908-699-5458 (insert usual disclaimer)
(do not reply to the address in "From:" section. Use id in .sig to reply)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.dads-rights
Newsgroups: misc.kids

I posted this in alt.personals, before I heard of this group. I received
some very good input from a few people, whom I thank a lot.

The situation is this, I'm dating a lady with two kids, a boy 11, and a
girl 14. 

I've been divored for 10 years, never had kids. I have dated ladies 
with kids before and seemed to get along well, they were between ages
4-9, the kids. I warmed up to them and vise versa.

In my present relationship (~3 mon) I seem to detect jealousy from
the boy for taking time away from his mon. I see a lack of respect
for their mother, kids that seem spoiled (my opinion). 

What I would like is input from people who have had success with
a simliar situations, or positive advice to help with getting  close
to the kids without causing any major problems.

Thanks in advance...


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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: 23lange@cua.edu
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Reply-To: 23lange@cua.edu
Organization: The Catholic University of America
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:21:02 GMT

My mother is an RN --
	the first operation she witnessed was a dermabrasion by a Dr. Crust

Later she worked in a psychiatric ward -- the director was a Dr. Head -- the
head head doctor.

			Jerin Lange
			23lange@cua.bitnet
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med,chi.general
From: learn@speedy.acns.nwu.edu (William J. Vajk)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Organization: Dares No Organization Like Dis Organization
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:06:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.115024.1715@ll.mit.edu> Alan Yasutovich writes:

>	How does everyone claim to be experts on what the
>	Almighty doctors claim to not understand?


Well, Alan, my Almighty doesn't need a doctor.....    :-)

On the flip side, I suppose some Almighty doctors don't understand
the common cold either.

And there are those who don't believe in doctors.

And there are those who believe in witch doctors of one form or another.

Pick your religion, Alan, (seems you have already anyway) and I'll chose
the one which has scientific inquiry as a basis, thank you very much. To
some others, reading pigs entrails seems more appropriate. 

I suggest it all depends on what you have in your mind.

Bill Vajk

From: jean@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jean Jasinski)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:24:28 GMT
Subject: Re: orthopedic pediatrician
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

Ted,

You might check out the Shriner's Hospital in Houston.  Shriner's
Hospitals specialize in childhood orthopedics (and burns).  They
treat patients free of charge as well (if you meet some pretty generous
income guidelines).  Please follow through and get a second opinion
from a pediatric orthopedist.

Jean Jasinski
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: uujerri@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Jerri Mattingly)
Subject: Childcare Provider Questions
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 28 Sep 1992 12:06 EST  

After almost ten years of taking care of my children, my mother has given me
her notice.  Needless to say, I have been really spoiled with my childcare
arrangement.  

So now I must look for a childcare provider.  I am tending toward someone to
come to my home three days a week.  I have four children (1, 3, 6 and 9).

I have read over the Nanny FAQ and it has given me a starting point for
questions I need to ask prospective providers.  But I want to tap the net
for other information.

How should I word the ad I put in the paper?  How do I screen the telephone
replies? (Do I worry about crackpots?)  How do I set up interviews?  What
questions do I ask?

I would need the provider to feed my children dinner two out of the three days.
Is this unreasonable to ask?  What do your childcare providers do and what
is the cost?  Do I need to worry about insurance, social security, taxes?
Any suggestions, questions, or expectations would be great.

Please e-mail:  uujerri@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov

Thank you.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bobbi@sol.nwc.navy.mil (Code 3916  Bobbi Dunfee 939-1281)
Subject: Re: Last week was certainly eventful!
Reply-To: user@machine.domain
Organization: $ORGANIZATION
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:18:50 GMT

In article <day_kevran-290992162118@130.252.108.211>, day_kevran@tandem.com (Kevran Day ) writes:
|> The experience was good though.  Since I wasn't in actual
|> labor, I have a few things to discuss with my doctor for the
|> real day - 
|> I want
|> more than just ice chips for the duration;  
|> 

Try frozen juice pops!  The nurses will keep them frozen and
will get them when you need.  They are tasty and offer some
genuine nutritional value without causing a ruccus with the
staff.

|> Kevran (mom to Jason - 2YO and ??? due in Oct.)
|> day_kevran@tandem.com

-- 
Thanks,

Bobbi Dunfee
Mom to Mikayla (4yo) and twins coming December 1992
bobbi@sol.nwc.navy.mil
From: sdreynol@isi.edu (Sam D Reynolds)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Help with Finger Paint Stains
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:20:08 GMT
Reply-To: sdreynol@maxwell.isi.edu (Sam D Reynolds)
Organization: USC-Information Sciences Institute


The finger paints used at my son's playschool (Hill n' Dale
located in Santa Monica California) are staining his clothes!
I believe the brand is Lakeshore or Temper paints.  The school
suggests we dress him in school clothes that we don't mind
having stained or for them to not allow him to finger paint.

Suffice it to say that I am not pleased with their suggestions.
I don't look forward to maintaining two set of clothes and one
of the reasons we chose Hill n' Dale was access to activities
like finger painting.

I would appreciate any information on non-staining finger
paints appropriate for children 9 months or older (Max is 13
months).  Equally, any recommendations on how to get finger
paint stains out of clothes would be welcomed.  The only thing
we have tried is Shout which did not work.

Thank you for your time.  I'll post a followup in a couple
weeks.

Regards,
Sam (the Dad) Reynolds



Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Organization: Manlius Pebble Hill School
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 22:49:21 EDT

Well, you probably don't want to hear this, but geez, she's only four
years old, it's not like she's stuck with her current decision for the
rest of her life.  When my sister was a kid, there were two things she
wanted to be when she grew up...either a nun or Chinese.  We're black
and we weren't Catholic either.

And as much as I'm one of those "women really ought to have good careers
in place for the inevitable day their husbands die" people, you need to
remember that the very idea that women should be able to choose to have
a career implies that they should be able to choose *not* to pursue one.
There's nothing wrong with a woman who wants to be a homemaker and is a
position where she doesn't have to pursue a career following that desire.

Ease up on the kid already.

Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.sex
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 12:56:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.025518.26079@jetsun.weitek.COM> nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.180113.4039@nwnexus.WA.COM> elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:
>>
>
>>   "In some sections of Africa, Indonesia, Malaysia and among certain
>>Muslim groups, removal of the clitoral hood or, more extremely, the
>>entire clitoris, is still performed today, usually a a part of the
>>ritual passage into womanhood." - Khattab, A. A.  "Anti-Female
>>Circumcision," (editorial) _Sexuality Today_, volume 6, pgs 1-3.
>
>Infibulation-
>More extremely, in some African and Islamic areas female circumcision
>involves removal of the clitoral hood, clitoris and inner labia. The
>cut edges where the inner labia were are sewn together, and a tube is
>placed to allow an opening in the tissue near the urethra so urine is
>not sealed between the urinary meatus and the flap when it heals. A knife
>must be used to permit sexual intercourse, and delivery complications are
>commonplace because of the adhesions restricting vaginal expansion.

  Mary Daly's book "Gyn-Ecology" has a whole chapter on this, complete
  with references.  The first part of that book is pretty interesting. 
  For those interested, she also covers American gynecological practices,
  European witch-burning, Chinese foot-binding, and Indian suttee.
>
>PLEASE - don't donate to UNICEF until they agree to stop performing this
>procedure in their childrens' hospitals. By 'medicalizing' the practice,
>it is given greater legitimacy. The operation is also frequent in the
>Phillipines. If you have ever watched an infibulated woman walk - she takes
>narrow, tight little steps since the band of tissue grabs and pulls 
>and causes pain with every long step. Watching the Egyptian women's 
>karate team is a revelation - they use very short kicks. It isn't funny.
>
> 
>
>
>-- 
>The Earth Pig Bourne....
>
>nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
>nadja@weitek.com