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From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: Roland SCC1 Sound Module - opinions??
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:36:54 GMT

In article <03249587.721275249@mama> 03249587@mama.minmet.uq.oz (Darcy  
Clark) writes:
> 
>  I'm hunting around for a workstation setup for home use - but I don't  
know 
>  whether to get a keyboard (an M1 or sy77 etc..) so I can play live, or  
to
>  get an ROLAND SCC1 card so I can utelize my 486DX33 for sequencing!! As  
far as
>   I can work out, the keyboard has 2 advantages -
>      1..... Portability ( BIG ADVANTAGE!!!)
>      2..... Several come with v.good effects on-board.
>  I'm very impressed with Cakewalk Pro and MasterTraks for their ease of  
use etc. but am put off by not being able to play live easily. Another  
advantagte of 
>  getting the sound card for my computer is that to upgrade all I'll have  
to      replace is the card - not the whole keyboard!!!  I will greatly  
appreciate any
>  advice from both users of M1's etc... and users of ROLAND SCC1's etc.

Well you're comparing a pretty broad range of things. I bought an SCC-1  
because I was looking for an additional inexpensive sound module with some  
nice sounds on it.

I picked the SCC-1 primarily due to its low cost and that it would allow  
me to make use of a highly under-utilized '486 (at least now I use the  
power supply and case!). It's also pretty cost effective and will give me  
a MIDI interface for the '486 if I ever want one.

So far it's filled that role pretty nicely except that it's noisy -  
primarily due to being in the PC chassis which is a pretty nasty  
environment for electrical noise.

I'd say it's worth the money, but you'll have a hard choice coming  
considering the range of solutions you're looking at.

Gordon


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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: smithj@sr.hp.com (Jim Smith)
Subject: Re: TRaSh (was: Big Brother Radio Shack)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:32:28 GMT
Organization: no risk to you!
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Dan Harkless (dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu) wrote:
: In article <86340002@hpsad.sad.hp.com> smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Jim Smith) writes:
: >Sorta like the oven-tenders at Auschwitz, eh?
: 
: 	Um, comparisons to genocide...?  I think you're blowing this RatShack
: thing a tad out of proportion, Jim...

In magnitude, perhaps.  Qualitatively, well, maybe perhaps I was a bit out of
line.  But I think the "I'm just doing my job" argument is ethically 
indefensible.  That's all I have to say on the matter. 

ObSynth:  I'm going on a one-week retreat (starting this weekend), to a 
rented house on the Pacific coast, with two carloads of music gear and
my musical partner, to see what we can create!  I'll post an article about
how it went after I get back.
   
                       - Jim
From: trs@doc.ic.ac.uk (Thomas R Stiemerling)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Info on Roland CM-32L
Date: 9 Nov 1992 14:18:22 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: peaberry.doc.ic.ac.uk

(If anyone reads this through all the noise on the group) I am looking
for more information on how to use/patch/etc my new CM-32L (cheap!).
Specifically the documentation you get shows you all the parameters,
but it is not specific on what parameters to change, what happens when
you do, how to get different effects, etc. Are there any books or
articles out there that describe this. Also are there any editors
that run on an ST and work with the CM-32L. The shop blurb says that
it was based on the D110 (?). Can you use D110 patches on it?

Thanks.

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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:06:05 MET
From:         Andrea TONI <andrea@SIHP03.SI.ESTEC.ESA.NL>
Subject:      Re: New Ezine about Experimental Music Available
Comments: To: "('Redistribution of rec.music.synth')" <SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU>

>  ---------The First Electronic Magazine Dedicated To Difficult Music--------
>
>                      Experimental Music-Electronic Forum
>                      ===================================
>                              Issue #1  Out Now
>                      ===================================
>                      ~Interview with M/SR
>                      ~Mike Hovancsek talks about Pointless
>                       Music
>                      ~Thomas Sutter on his work with
>                       Regicide Bureau
>                      ~Some Cheesy Database thing that'll
>                       give you names and numbers from
>                       around the globe
>                      ~In standard VGA for machines running
>                       DOS <or something that'll emulate it
>                       I guess, mouse also required for the
>                       zine to work properly.>
>                      ====================================
>                                  -=Alt-167=-
>
>     Contact DJE2@Ra.Msstate.Edu or Sol@Sleepy.cc.uTexas.edu for more info
>                            (or autoreply this post)
>
>
>
> I just u/l'd it to wuarchive.wustl.edu in the pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS section
> so you can grab it from there if you like..
>

Hi,
I'm interested of course could you send me more infos please !!


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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Mac as a drum machine?
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 20:01:42 GMT

The sampling on the Mac is acceptable but nothing great.
You need to add (ie. buy) extra hardware for the Mac if you
want better quality sounds, editing, etc.. Why don't you buy
a used drum machine ? They are not that expensive.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: ladasky@netcom.com (John J. Ladasky II)
Subject: Wanted: Whackable MIDI Gear
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:19:19 GMT

Greetings, rec.music.synth'ers (or is that rec.music.makers.synth'ers - oh
well, never mind ;^) ...

	A friend of mine has acquired an interest in MIDI percussion.  I
and my brother would like to indulge his urge with a holiday gift.  We don't
have a lot of money, though, so we're interested in used gear.  Does any-
one have any of the following gear?

	DrumKAT MIDI Controller
	Octapad II
	Other MIDI percussion with (at the least) velocity sensitivity

	And if you have it, are interested in selling it?
	
	Thanks in advance!

-- 
== John J. Ladasky II ("ii") ========================= ladasky@netcom.COM ==
"Great composers do not borrow -	     "Talking about music is like
 they steal."  - John Ladasky	      ~ -     dancing about architecture."
(quote stolen from Stravinsky, who    o o     - Elvis Costello?  Laurie
 stole it from a statement made by     >        Anderson?  Frank Zappa?
 Pablo Picasso about painting, who    \_/    -------------------------------
 stole it from...)			     "Property is theft." - Groucho
============================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: groak@tarski.mit.edu (Paul Gunnells)
Subject: Help urgently needed for gig bag question . . .
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 23:32:07 GMT

Help! I hope someone can help me. . .

Would a gig bag for a Yamaha DX21 also work for a DX7II?  I have a chance to
buy one CHEAP and have no idea what the size of a DX21 is.

Please eMail me any information that is helpful.

Thanks,

Paul.

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: edyk91@ursa.calvin.edu (Edward Dyk)
Subject: Guitar synth rebirth, please?
Summary: Guitar synth rebirth, please?
Keywords: Guitar synth rebirth, please?
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:18:58 GMT

To Anyone interested in bringing back the guitar-synth...
  I realize that the guitar-synth is old news, but I've been a fan of them
ever since I saw one used in a concert in 1985.  It was a Roland type and I've
been searching for one for quite some time... BUT..I've had a revelation!!!!
  I wondered what the outcome would be if the Stienberger company, with their
famous Trans-Trem design guitars, could incorporate a synth in the guitar and
start a new wave of the best & badest sounds you ever heard from a guitar-synth.
  What do you think?  Does this combo sound like it would be cool? Practical?
If so, write or post me...and also..someone tell Stienberger!!!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Edward C. Dyk                  edyk91@ursa.calvin.edu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"I endorsed the guitar I used to play...I designed this one...Big Difference!"
                                            Eddie Van Halen
From: dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
Subject: Re: Net terms?
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 9 Nov 92 07:21:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.193935.1@acad.drake.edu> seh003@acad.drake.edu writes:
>Pardon my ignorance in Netspeak...but what do RFD and CFV stand for?  I keep
>seeing them mentioned in the debates about the renamed groups.  Is there
>something I should read to be aware of these and other terms?

	Request For Discussion and Call For Votes.

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From: glennd@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Glen Deardorff GDP)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Digital-doo Samples
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:08:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.013422.10062@telesciences.com>, msavasti@telesciences.com (Michael Savastio) writes:
|> 
|> Does anybody know where one can get didjeridoo samples for an EPS 16+,
|> or at least a good CD source for sampling this instrument?
|> 
|> --
|>   _____ 
|>  /o\   \________________________________________________________________
|>  8 8    ===o=xoo=x=o=xo=ox=== Michael Savastio (m.savastio@telesci.uucp)
|>  \_/___/   *******^*******^   351 New Albany Road, Moorestown  NJ  08057

"Australia: Sound of the Earth" by Steve Roach, Sarah Hopkins, and David Hudson (the latter being the predominant "didgerist") has LOTS of godd didgeradoo.  Look for it under Steve Roach in the New Age section.  Or order it from Backroads Distribututors (1-800-825-4848).

- Glenn
From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: This foul-smelling group namechange brouhaha.
Date: 7 Nov 92 16:02:39 GMT
Organization: Bradley University

ljnelson@unix.amherst.edu (Laird Nelson) writes:

>Randy Jones (rej@sal.wisc.edu) wrote:
>      *Please*, people. Rec.music.synth can be renamed soc.paul.lansky.
>      appreciation.society.and.tearoom for all i care, so long as the 
>      content remains similar, and the people who produce that content (bless
>      their hearts) can migrate successfully. And i think we're all savvy
>      enough to migrate successfully.
>
>Not only that, but it's just a *name*, for crying out loud.  And I've seen
>more interesting threads discussing what color you should paint your old
>analog beasties.

I agree entirely, but it is bigger than that.  If this vote is overturned,
it would set a reckless precedent for the whole of Usenet, not just this
newsgroup.  Be patient.  It will be resolved soon.
-- 
 davE.  Making the world safe for intelligent dance music.  dave@bradley.edu.
######### David L. Vessell -- Bradley University Computing Services #########
From: youngberg_michael@tandem.com (Mike Youngberg)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: How to get D-110 ROM version?
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:30:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: tandem.1992Nov9.183053.23358
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tandem Computers

How do I get the current ROM version of a Roland D-110?
(What's inside the box, not "phone Roland or goto dealer".

My D-110 is resetting its channels for its parts for mysterious
reasons.  This is done a particularly inconvenient times, like
in the middle of a sequence.  Is this a known bug/problem/"feature"?

-thanks, mike
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From: pgr@ramandu.ext.vt.edu (Patrick Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,news.groups
Subject: Re: RENAME: Those against name change PLEASE READ!
Summary: This is idiotic.
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:42:16 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.synth

Dave Hayes writes
> 1) Please crosspost ONE message of dissent about the name change to 
> news.groups. That way the news admins will get a clearer idea of who all
> does not support the change. ESPECIALLY DO THIS IF YOUR VOTE WAS NOT COUNTED.

I oppose the renaming of rec.music.synth to rec.music.makers.synth.
However, my vote *was* counted.  I voted NO on the r.m.s proposal, and
abstained from the others... since they didn't AFFECT me, thank you very
much.

-Patrick Robinson
 pgr@ramandu.ext.vt.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Roland's first MIDI synth
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 15:56:38 GMT

In article <55831@dime.cs.umass.edu>, barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
|> In article <86340004@hpsad.sad.hp.com> smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Jim Smith) writes:
|> >    What was Roland's first MIDI equipped synth?
|> 
|> 	The Jupiter 6.  I believe it was the second or third MIDI synth
|> in existence.  The first was the Sequential Circuits Prophet 600.

Electronic Musician a few years back did a 'most innovative products
of the past 10 years' thing and MIDI was of course one of them. In it
they interviewed Dave Smith of Sequential who pushed for a common 
digital interface for synths, which devolved to MIDI (Smith's original
spec was very well thought out - other manufacturers succeeded in
watering it down). He talks about being at a NAMM show and hooking
up their Prophet 600 to a Roland (can't remember the keyboard but
assuming Dan is right, it was a Jupiter 6) via MIDI - the first
time ever that 2 MIDI products were hooked up.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: bartjan@cs.kun.nl (Bart-Jan Bouwers)
Subject: Wavestation question
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 12:26:47 GMT

Hi,

Who can tell me (shortly) the difference between a Wavestation EX and
the Wavestation SR?
Thanks.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: smithj@sr.hp.com (Jim Smith)
Subject: USENET protocols were VIOLATED!!!
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:09:24 GMT
Organization: no risk to you!
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]


Reading the how to create new newsgroups article in news.groups,
I see this rule:

7) A vote should be run only for a single group proposal.  Attempts to create
multiple groups should be handled by running multiple parallel votes rather
than one vote to create all of the groups.

Was this rule violated in the recently contended renaming of rec.music.synth?

It was BENT, at least!

FOUR groups were affected!!

Does this information help?  

I am only posting this to rec.music.synth, as I am merely a caveman and
don't understand your modern technology.  Perhaps someone more savvy than
I can make appropriate use of this information.

 - Jim
   ("Who ARE these people???"  - Other People's Money)

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,news.groups,news.admin.policy
From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Re: USENET protocols were VIOLATED!!!
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 23:42:19 GMT

smithj@sr.hp.com (Jim Smith) writes:

>Reading the how to create new newsgroups article in news.groups,
>I see this rule:
>
>7) A vote should be run only for a single group proposal.  Attempts to create
>multiple groups should be handled by running multiple parallel votes rather
>than one vote to create all of the groups.
>
>Was this rule violated in the recently contended renaming of rec.music.synth?
>
>It was BENT, at least!
>
>FOUR groups were affected!!

The vote was exactly as it was specified in rule 7: 4 multiple parallel
votes.  If the rec.music.synth had not passed, that event would not have
shot down the other three.  A person had to explicitly specify a vote on
all four items.  They could not just vote by saying "I vote yes for all of
them".

Since it does not violate the rule, and as far as I have seen, it does not
violate the spirit of the rule, I don't see where it was bent.  Even if it
was, a bent rule is not a broken rule, and so the vote was not in
violation, and should stand.




>I am only posting this to rec.music.synth, as I am merely a caveman and
>don't understand your modern technology.  Perhaps someone more savvy than
>I can make appropriate use of this information.

That's okay.  I took care of it.

-- 
 davE.  Making the world safe for intelligent dance music.  dave@bradley.edu.
######### David L. Vessell -- Bradley University Computing Services #########
From: gints@prophet.esd.sgi.com (Gints Klimanis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: SGI Indigo: Dig. Audio & Animation
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:42:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <3aB602G02aGQ01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, kls30@cd.amdahl.com
(Kent L. Shephard) writes:
|> 1. Don't even think a R3000 can compete with *ANY* 56K derivative.

I agree with this statement with respect to 24x24 MAC's into double
precision accumulate.   I don't agree with the following:

|> Why?  Because the 56K also gives you transparent data transfer both in and
|> out over several ports via interrupt service.  This means processing
|> samples 
|> and never worrying about dropping samples that come in as long as
|> your main
|> routine is not real long.  Try a hardware loop on a R3000, I don't
|> think so.

The Indigo uses the 56k for transparent data transfer.  THAT is why the
56001 is there.   We have developed a substantial wealth of code
(largely unshipped code) that processes data with no loss of samples. 
Identical data acquisition caveat:  don't overburden the R4000 processor
and don't overburden your 56001 with too long a main loop.  

If the Indigo uses the 56001 for data acquisition, why should the
Indigo's R4000 try to do some hardware loop?  The R4000 is busy blazing
64-bit data words around its primary cache at 100 MHz.  Slows down some
when talking to its 1 MByte secondary cache at 64-bits and 50 MHz. 

|> The main drawback on the Indigo is *NO* access to the 56K while on the NeXT
|> I can do what ever I like.  System beeps and such are handled by the OS 
|> and the 68040 and don't need the DSP.

This is only a drawback if you are under the erroneous impression that a
56001 is for signal processing and an R4000 is not.  

The main drawback for the NeXT 56001 is that ALL of your DSP
applications are limited to 96Kx24 data space, if you expand that to the
max (I know about the NeXT from 6 months use, so pardon my comments if
the #'s are outdated).  Does your home-coded sampler have a lot of
breathing room in a puny NeXT 56001 data space or would it feel less
cramped if you knew you could go to 384 MBytes on an Indigo?
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,news.groups
From: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes)
Subject: Re: To keep the r.m.s rename is _not_ elitist (was Re: *BAD*...)
Reply-To: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Lab - Pasadena, CA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 06:31:26 GMT

chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>According to dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov:
>>chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>>>All they had to do was read news.announce.newgroups.  They didn't.  By
>>>all objective evidence, they did _not_ care ... enough.
>>That's STILL an assumption.
>I wrote, "By all objective evidence, they did not care."  That's not
>an assumption.  It's a theory which fits the available facts.

Ok, theory...assumption...both have the possibility of being wrong.
So use whichever. 

>>>There is no cure for _intentional_ ignorance.
>>What about _unintentional_ ignorance?
>Sure; but the patient must want to be cured.

What if they don't know they are sick?
-- 
Dave Hayes - Network & Communications Engineering - JPL / NASA - Pasadena CA
dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov       dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov         ...usc!elroy!dxh

       "When you are in it up to your ears, keep your mouth shut."
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Transoniq Hacker Address
From: williams@ab.wvnet.edu (Tom Williams)
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:22:42 -0500
Organization: Alderson-Broaddus College

(Shiv Naimpally) writes:
> This guy might also benefit from getting the Transoniq Hacker,
> the offically sponsered users club newsletter. If anyone has the
> address, please post.

          bzzt (short and quiet, for small mistakes).  The Hacker is
          emphatically *not* officially sponsored, but in fact a
          completely independent operation (which adds greatly to its
          value.  It blows away Roland's publication).  The benefit to
          a Mirage owner might be questionable at this point too --
          most articles are about current Ensoniq products. 

          Nevertheless, TH is deserving of any plug it can get :-), so
          here's the address:

          	Transoniq Hacker
                1402 SW Upland Drive
                Portland, OR 97221

                Phone (503) 227-6848

                                                -Tom Williams
                                                 Alderson-Broaddus College
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: ljnelson@unix.amherst.edu (Laird Nelson)
Subject: Re: SH-101 resonance noise
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:51:23 GMT

Dan Harkless (dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu) wrote:
      The noise isn't very constant, either - 
      it's like periodic crackling.  I would assume this probably isn't a problem
      with the slider, and instead the VCF chip needs to be replaced...?

That's certainly a possibility.  This interests me because I have the same
problem with my K4 of all things.  I've been told that the new ROM version
for the K4 fixes it...could that be a solution in your case, i.e. replacing
the ROM?  Just a guess.

LAiRD

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