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From: micah@ravl.rice.edu (Micah Samuel Rosen)
Subject: That was no lady ...
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:04:26 GMT

Okay it's sounding off time.

Something that's been annoying me since I began following
women's hoops at the old UVa is the constant reference to
women's teams as the "Lady So-and-so's." It seems to 
perpetuate the perception of the second-class nature of
women's basketball. 

It's as though women can't be referred to as part of the
general student body (or athlete body or whatever) and have
to have some sort of seperate category.

In a recent posting ( SWC/Pac10 Challenge - Women's Bball )
we had the Lady Raiders, the Lady Huskies, the Lady Cougars,
and the always alliterative Lady Longhorns. What's the
point? Why not just Red Raiders, Huskies etc.?

Then there are some schools (St. John's is one example) where
the team name is totally changed (from Redmen to Express) for
the benefit of the women's team. (PC arguments about native
Americans as mascots aside, one has to wonder why the 
university can't pick a mascot for the
entire student body.) (By the way I'm assuming Redmen is
a reference to native Americans, please correct me if I'm
wrong.)

Okay, I've said my piece. Now I can sit back and see if
other people have any ideas on the subject.



Micah Rosen      Univ. of Virginia B.S. Architecture 1990 "Go Hoos"
                 Rice University M. Arch. 1993 "Go Owls"

                "I've gone from being a Hoo to being a Hoot..."
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Trash talking %^$#@*)(
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:40:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.234211.23470@samba.oit.unc.edu>  
Mike.Dunnagan@launchpad.unc.edu (Mike Dunnagan) writes:
> Robert:
> 
> >   About the Duke-UNC trash talk silliness, I'll say only this:
> > During last year's Duke-UNC rematch, Brian Davis yelled at his friend
> > Hubert Davis: "Hubert, tell your people to shut up!" Hubert replied,
> > "Tell YOUR people to shut up!"
> >   Both teams talk it and walk it.  The end.  Deal with it, both sides.
> 
> True, and thanks for pointing this out. I think it's so easy to get caught
> up in the sillyness of it all, and we need a subtle reminder every now and
> then that it is what it is, and keeping score on shit talking is stupid.

A recent radio report stated that the Georgia football coach thought
that the most serious problem in college sport was trash talking.

Opinions?

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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: Dean Smith (Re: UNC TARHEELS--1992/93
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:24:54 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

>I have been an UNC fan since I was a kid growing up in North Carolina 
>in 1960's.  I have watched UNC disintegrated so many times that I have 
>lost count.  Too many times by big scores.  Real embarrassing.  And
>too many times to underdog teams.
>
>I remember the year that UCLA had Lew Alcindor (during his sophomore
>year) and UNC had Rusty Clark (a 6'11" center).  We UNC fans were excited 
>about the possibility of UNC meeting UCLA in the NCAA playoffs that 
>year. Guess what happened?  Of course, UNC disintegrated somewhere in 
>the NCAA playoffs to an underdog team.  Brother!  And Dean Smith looked
>befuddled on the sidelines.  What a heartbreaking experience.
>
 
Could this have been the year that Florida State came out of nowhere to make
it to the NCAA finals?  I know FSU played UCLA for the NC in (I think) 1971
and lost by 5 points.  Did they go through UNC to get there?

D. Head


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From: lewism@jmb2.jmb.com (Mike Lewis)
Subject: Re: Purdue vs Butler
Organization: JMB Realty Corporation
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:45:26 GMT

William Mark Ehlers (ehlerswm@hackney.ecn.purdue.edu) wrote:
: 2 January 1993 -- West Lafayette, Indiana
: 
: Purdue
: Robinson    29  10-20 0/1  1-1  8       0       3       1       1       21
: Martin      25  4-8     0-0     3       2       0       0       1       8
: Stanback    21  1-3     0-0     2       1       0       0       2       2
             ^^^^                ^^^
: Waddell     22  2-4 1/1 0-2     2       2       2       0       1       5
: Painter     24  5-6 4/5 0-0     2       6       2       0       0       14
: Roberts     16  0-3 0/2 1-2     1       3       0       0       2       1
: Darner      12  1-3 1/1 2-4     3       2       0       0       1       5
: Dove        15  2-3     0-1     1       2       0       0       1       5
: Williams    11  2-2     2-3     2       0       1       0       2       6
: Jennings    11  0-2     0-0     0       1       2       0       3       0
: McNary      8   3-4     3-5     3       0       0       0       2       9
: Foster      4   1-1 1/1 0-0     1       2       1       0       0       3
: Spiker      2   0-0     2-2     0       1       0       0       1       2
: TOTALS     200  31-58   11-20   30      22      11      1       18      80
:                    7/11
: 
: Turnovers : PU - 12  BU - 24            Attendence - 14,123
: 
: #6 - Williams has been a bit of a disappointment.  To many fouls.

I thought he looked much better than Stanback in this game.  He was very
aggressive and had some nice post-up moves.

: #7 - Ian Stanback is thriving at center with Robinson at PF

See above.  His play against Butler was disappointing.  He was practically
invisible.  Purdue did not rebound well against Butler.  If they can't pick up
the rebounding intensity against Michigan, they're going to get blown out big
time.

I also think Purdue is overrated.  15-20 would be about right, instead of the
9th they came in at in this week's AP poll.
From: Mike.Dunnagan@launchpad.unc.edu (Mike Dunnagan)
Subject: Re: Ga. Tech
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:04:28 GMT

Alan Harder:

AS> In an earlier post I claimed that Georgia Tech. didn't belong in a
AS> list that included the likes of Indiana, Kansas, and North Carolina.
AS> I guess I was wrong.

Whoa there sport. Remember, this was a conference game, and that GT has
had good success against Duke over the years. Teams sometimes get UP for
the big games against the GIANTS like Duke. I think Tech is good, but I
wouldn't put them in the class with the top 5 after one big game. 

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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: The (updated) Saga of Bobby Knight: A Year-by-Year Chronology
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 10 Jan 93 15:44:17 CST

In article <104203@netnews.upenn.edu> rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) writes:
>In article <1993Jan10.010320.15981@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>>
>>I'm not going to defend Knight (I'll leave that to the IU gang), but I find
>>it strangely ironic that a post like this came out of Pennsylvannia moments
>>after IU kicked Penn State's ass in basketball.  I guess we are going to
>>see new heights in being poor losers with Penn State's admission to the Big
>>10.
>
>I had no idea that they were even playing; and I'm not a particular fan
>of any school in Pennsylvania.  (I *am* a fan of Purdue, Bradley and
>Colorado, among other schools.  I'm also a fan of Joe Paterno's, but
>don't even know who coaches PSU's hoops team.)

My mistake.  I am actually going to apologize to the Penn State students
for classifying you as one of them.

>>You pose a pretty bad argument for somebody
>>from such a highly-regarded academic institution such as Penn.
>
>I'm not from Penn; and you picked apart one paragraph in a long posting
>on the basis of (alleged) factual errors.  If the facts are wrong, I'll
>correct them.  But the article doesn't contain any "argument" in
>particular; it just recites history.

You said that those players left to "escape Knight".  Since that was not
said as the reason for their transfers, you are not reciting history - you
were making your opinion known, therefore posing an argument.

I think universities should be more careful in giving out site accounts.
When a person posts something, and it carries the tag "upenn", most people
(including me, who should know better) assume that the poster is affiliated
with that organization.  Actually, it might be good etiquette to that
school for the person to say in their signature that they are not
affiliated with the school.

>It would have better for you to ask ("Did you post this because you
>were pissed about the IU/PSU game?" and "Are you a Penn grad?") rather
>than assuming connections that don't in fact exist.  Heck, I would
>have sent this out a month ago, but I've been kinda busy.

You are correct; I was a bit pissed after seeing that Minnesota destroyed
Purdue, and made some assumptions that I shouldn't have.

And as a fellow Purdue fan, let me throw out some names here:  Travis
Trice, Todd Schottelkotte (sp?), Richie Mount, Loren Clyburn, Bill Reid,
Keith Stewart, Marvin Rea, John Brugos, Jeff Arnold, and Dave Stack.  Names
look familiar?  These are all SCHOLARSHIP players that have left or been
kicked off the Purdue team since 1988.  I don't know a lot about Purdue
before that, but I do know that Russell Cross left before his allotted time
ran out, too.  Quite a lengthy list, really.  You shouldn't be throwing
stones from our glass house - I don't wan't my window broken.
-- 

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From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Subject: Re: Officiating in the WAC
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:35:05 GMT

In article <qu#@byu.edu> $garyf@SASB.BYU.EDU (Gary B. Fitzgerald) wrote:
> After watching WAC basketball for the past five years, I have come to the 
> conclusion that WAC officials are terrible.  Moose Stubing has got to be 
> among the worst officials I have ever seen officiate a basketball game.  On 
> one end of the floor they will call a stupid touch foul, and on the other 
> end somebody will get knocked across the floor and it will go as a no call.  
> There is never any consistency.

Oooh!  Is the Big-10 hiring?
____________________________
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From: Mike.Dunnagan@launchpad.unc.edu (Mike Dunnagan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Duke-Oklahoma Game Summary
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:30:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service

----------------mike----------------:

> Geez, give the guy a break!!  The guy was just pumped up.  All I have
> heard in these recent Duke posts is how Hamilton was showboating.  The
> guy just wasn't intimidated.  Pardon us if we don't all bow down in
> deference to Duke.  T

No shit. The guy made a huge basket that brought his team back from a 20
pt. deficit, where a non-conference team has not won in almost 10 years,
playing the number 1 team in the nation, and where the name of
the game is intimidation and woofing. These Duke guys can't even win
without bitching about something.

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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: ACC UPDATE - SCHEDULE & STANDINGS
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:37:31 GMT


I guess since nobody's really jumped in I'll do the ACC
Report - I don't have a paper with me now, so this is 
an abbreviated version.  See separate posts for brief 
reviews of FSU beating Wake and UNC beating Maryland.  

Contributions to this report are welcome!

(Conference standings don't include UVa@NCSU, Duke@Tech)

ACC STANDINGS

UNC		2-0
Duke		1-0
Ga Tech		1-0
UVa		1-0
FSU		1-1
Wake		0-1
NCSU		0-1
Clemson		0-1
Maryland	0-2

Upcoming ACC Games - times EST PM
(Schedule is from the 1993 ACC Yearbook - times "Subject to Change")


J11:	NCSU @ Davidson, 7:30

J13:	Maryland @ FSU, 7:00
	Duke @ Wake, 7:00  ESPN
	Clemson @ UVa, 7:30
	Tech @ UNC, 8:00  ACC/Raycom

J16:	UNC @ Clemson, 1:30  ACC/Raycom
	Iowa @ Duke, 4:00  CBS (*)
	NCSU @ FSU, 4:00 ACC/Raycom
	Coll of Charleston @ Tech, 7:30
	Wake @ Maryland, 8:00

J17:	UVa @ Duke, 4:00  ESPN
	Clemson @ Furman, 7:30


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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Big Ten Update (1-5-92)
Summary: OSU, PSU open conference play tonight
Keywords:  Big Ten
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:07:51 GMT

Conference play begins tonight!!!

Monday (1-4):

Iowa 80, DRAKE 65:  Iowa survived another trip to Des Moines by holding
	off the Bulldogs.  No other details, though.  The Hawkeyes are
	now 11-0, with one last non-conference game left for later
	against Duke.  That might be interesting, given Duke's problems
	last night with an athletic Oklahoma team.  Duke has never had
	any trouble with Dr. Tom's press in previous meetings, however...

NORTHWESTERN 81, Lehigh 66:  Dion Lee led the Wildcats with a career-high
	of 19 points as NU ended a three-game skid.  Lehigh had pulled to
	within 62-56 late when Lee scored six straight and Pat Baldwin then
	scored on a couple of breaks to ice it.  Given the fact that the
	Cats have some pretty good talent this year, I'm surprised they
	are only 5-4...

Tuesday (1-5):

	Ohio State at Penn State (ESPN, 6:30 pm Central)

Wednesday (1-6):

	Iowa at Indiana (#8 vs. #4/5)
	Michigan State at Minnesota

Thursday (1-7):

	Michigan at Purdue (#3 vs. #9)
	Illinois at Northwestern (ESPN, 6:30 pm Central)

STANDINGS
		  Overall	   Conf			     Ratings
						     New	New	Old
Team		 W	 L	 W	 L	USA Today/CNN	AP    Sagarin
----		--	--	--	--	-------------	--    -------
Iowa		11	 0	 0	 0	      8		 8	  6
Purdue		 9	 0	 0	 0	      9		 9	 19
Michigan	10	 1	 0	 0	      3		 3	 10
Michigan State	 8	 1	 0	 0	     15		14	 48
Minnesota	 8	 1	 0	 0	     45		35	 13
Indiana		11	 2	 0	 0	      4		 5	  3
Ohio State	 7	 2	 0	 0	     35		40	 15
Wisconsin	 7	 2	 0	 0	     --		--	 84
Illinois	 7	 4	 0	 0	     --		48	 61
Northwestern	 5	 4	 0	 0	     --		--	123
Penn State	 5	 4	 0	 0	     --		--	133
		--	--
Total		88	21
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From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Re: r.s.b.c statistics
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:10:40 GMT

mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:

>Say Cliff, did you count James' article about Glenn Robinson's
>socks and the subsequent pinhead followups as "Big 10" or
>"Non-hoops"?  Either way I think you owe James an apology.

Cliff, how did you count Mitchell's posting about James' article?

Or, for that matter, this posting about Mitchell's posting about
James' article?

P.S. Tanoka Beard is a he-man!  Boise State R00LZ!
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From: gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: SWC News...    Re: Not an ACC or Big 10 Post!!!
Date: 11 Jan 1993 13:34:21 -0600
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
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Just for RayJay and GT, we could discuss the latest SWC news... SMU's 
whupping of UTexas... sending the cattle to 0-2 and last place in the SWC.
 
- goober (darn it just pains me to report that) smith
From: rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: UNC on radio
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:31:39 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <C0pJ16.54z@apollo.hp.com> stuart@apollo.hp.com (Stuart Troutman) writes:
>Since WBT Charlotte (AM 1110) dropped UNC basketball games, in favor of the 
>Hornets' broadcasts (although they ARE carrying some Duke games....ouch!), 

The word I have heard on this is that UNC was not willing to have WBT
broadcast "some" of their games -- only broadcasting UNC games on nights
the Hornets are off/playing at a different time.  Now UNC fans up and
down the east coast are out of luck.  Duke apparently wasn't so picky,
which is good news for them, since WBT can be heard as far north as
Buffalo, NY on a good night.  My family relocated up there a few years
back and were highly pleased to still get Duke games, especially
non-televised ones or ones covered by Dick Vitale. :-)

I have to wonder what the folks at Carolina were thinking.

- Rob Mac K


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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: ACC UPDATE - SCHEDULE & STANDINGS (1-11-92)
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:19:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.182117.23525@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>
something got %$#@$ed up.  WHAT IS WITH my editor?

CORRECTED ACC STANDINGS

> UNC		2-0
> Ga Tech	2-0
> UVa		2-0
> Duke		1-1
> FSU		1-1
> Wake		0-1
> Clemson	0-1
> NCSU		0-2
> Maryland	0-2
From: sjc@cs.purdue.edu (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Objects of Disgust
Date: 7 Jan 1993 23:29:37 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Sciences, Purdue University
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In-reply-to: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU's message of 7 Jan 93 23:02:19 GMT

}} In article <79447@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
}} 
}} Maybe they don't eat Indian in Indiana!

Odds bodkins, would I that 'twere not so, but alas, alackady, 'tis
true that we have no Indian restaurants in West Lafayette at which to
sup.

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From: bartsim@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Duke
Date: 10 Jan 93 09:48:50 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Does anyone know if Duke played last night and if so who did they play and
did the Blue Devils win?

Alex
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From: mooredb@ucunix.san.uc.edu (David Brian Moore)
Subject: Re: #1 Kentucky hits the road
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:30:06 GMT

In article <1ir712INNrem@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
>
>UK took over #1 on at least 1 poll (USA Today/CNN).  Kentucky and Virginia
>are the only unbeaten teams left.  UK faces 3 straight road games in the
>SEC: Vandy, Alabama, and South Carolina, then they entertain LSU at home.  I
>guess we'll know what the Cats are made of shortly!


 They need to be carful not to overlook Vandy, I think they may be upset, it
is a tough place to win...



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From: jmk.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Jim Kirkman)
Subject: re: Academic Ineligibility (was Re:  UNC vs NCSU)
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:33:40 GMT


>>UNC 100 NCSU 67.   To make matters worse, what you heard is correct.
>>As if NCSU didn't have enough problems this season, they now have
>>three players declared academically ineligible this season.  Looks
>>like they'll play the role of ACC doormat this season.  I forgot who
>>the players were, but included their #4 and #5 scorers.
>
>I know one of the three was Charles Kornegay.  I believe the other two
>to be Donnie Seale and Adam Fletcher.  Neither played, but I think they
>were on the roster at the beginning of the year.  Don't know much about
>Seale and Fletcher, but Kornegay looked pretty good in the two games I
>got to see him play in.
>
The third was Chuck (?) Knox who had been in one game this year. He's the 
guy who had a major knee blowout a couple of years ago, I think against
the mighty Heels, on TV for sure.

>Quick question:  If their academic ineligibility is based on the semester
>before, why did they only find out last night that they weren't going to
>be able to play?  Seems as though they should really have known last
>December.  
>
My guess is that the athletic dept. spent some time and energy trying to 
reverse the decision. You know the team requirements are much more 
stringent than even the NCAA ones!! And with the tough tough curriculum 
most of State's basketball players take its a wonder any of them are still
eligible. Brings back memories of our departed netter Avie Lester!
(Smilies where applicable, how bout dem Heels?)

>Could someone summarize all the necessary steps and requirements that must
>be 'fulfilled' in order to be declared academically ineligible?
>
>-- 
>Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
>Bell Northern Research, Inc.
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From: atchison@harp.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison)
Subject: 20 Wins = Tourney Bid? (WAS Re: Iowa-Indiana thoughts)
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:47:36 GMT

> 						   I suspect if the NCAA ever
> gets away from the magic '20 wins to the tourney' formula regardless of who
> you beat, maybe we will see this.  

I don't have the numbers to really look at this correctly.  Some net.stat.guy
could follow up with some if there's interest, but I would have to guess that
the tournament committee has already shifted somewhat.  I think the most games
that a Big Ten team can currently play is 27.  Over the last few years, it has
become the norm for the conference to send 6 (maybe even 7 once?) teams into
the big dance.  Certainly the 5th and 6th conference finishers regularly pile
up 8 or more losses... I think runner-up Michigan lost 7 in the league loop 
just last year.  

So is 20 still a magic number?  ...anyone...?  ...Bueller... ? ...anyone...?

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