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From: scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: tipped uterus & getting pregnant
Date: 15 Aug 92 05:47:45 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

brighid@hern.stonemarche.org writes:

>There's a lot of collective experience out there
>so I thought I'd ask for some net.advice. 
>
>I've got a tipped uterus. (Luckily, not from
>endometreois.) And I want to have a child.
>Does anyone have any advice on getting pregnant
>quickly despite a tipped uterus?

Welllllll.  It just might not be a problem.  I didn't even know I
had a tipped uterus until I got sort of accidentally pregnant.  And
none of the next three took more than one month.  So no advice here,
but plenty of encouragement!

		--  maggie
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From: scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Miscarriage
Date: 13 Aug 92 05:28:29 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

PATBH@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:

>I don't know if you remember me but a few months ago I asked the net about
>advice on giving my sis-in-law a baby shower.  Well two weeks ago, she had
>a miscarriage in her eighth month.  Considering she had an incredibly
>smooth pregnancy all along, it was a shock to say the very least.  No one
>had expected it and we were all devastated.
>The doctor said that the baby passed meconium in the amniotic sac and the baby
>was poisoned.  Does anyone know how rare this occurence is and if they are any
>preventative measures?
>
>By the way, my sis-in-law and brother are doing much better and are looking
>forward to trying again next year.
>
>Pat

Dear Pat,

I'm so sorry about your sister-in-law and brother.  This kind of loss is
so hard for everyone.  The same thing happened to my first son so I
thought I'd add something here.

Usually, a pregnancy loss after around twenty weeks, or certainly after
viablility (24 weeks?) is called a stillbirth, not a miscarriage.  The
mother must go through labor and delivery that is just as physically
hard as a normal delivery.  Stillbirth occurs about once for every
hundred live births.  By the eighth month your niece or nephew was a
fully formed little baby, and could have weighed five pounds or more.

The baby was not killed by the meconium.  When a fetus is under stress,
it passes meconium.  So whatever was the reason the baby died, that
was the reason the baby passed meconium.  Meconium is the baby's first
stool, and is usually passed after birth.  It can be very dangerous if
a newborn inhales it, but I don't think it can poison the baby.

I'm glad that the parents are doing so well.  Be aware that this
kind of grief can last a long time, though.  On the positive side,
it seems likely that this was a cord accident or something like that
that would not be likely to happen again.  But I'm sure she will be
very worried next time.

Good luck.  And tell the parents that there are support groups available
if they feel like talking to other parents.  But nothing really
helps but time.

	--  maggie
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From: lynn@elan.Elan.COM (Lynn Gazis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
Subject: Re: Blood types - Eye Color
Date: 7 Aug 92 19:44:09 GMT
Reply-To: lynn@elan (Lynn Gazis)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Elan Computer Group, Inc., Mountain View, CA

One of my sisters has somewhat changeable eye color.  Optical
illusion sounds reasonable to me.  Most people's skin changes
color somewhat depending on what they wear, and I used to have
a hair ribbon which made my hair appear to have red highlights
(highlights I have not seen since I lost the hair ribbon).

Lynn Gazis-Sax
From: mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault)
Subject: Re: Cost of giving birth???
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:02:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug7.181913.19667@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> kapa@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (k.a.perkins) writes:
>In article <TIGGER.92Aug5224745@satyr.Sylvan.COM>, tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan) writes:
>> In article <2A6DE407.2BC5@intercon.com> ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry) writes:
>> 
>>    MUCH cheaper if you do a home birth or a birthing center.  $3500 for the 
>>    entire thing for me, including all prenatal and post natal care.  My 
>>    insurance paid 100% because it wasn't a hospital.
>
>I don't dispute the truthfulness of the above, but saving money is a
>terrible reason for having your child at home instead of in a hospital.

It's hard to argue a statement like that.  Our home birth was less than
$1,000, but was all out of our pocket.  If we had delivered in the
hospital, we would have paid about $10 for the room.  So saving money
was definitely not the reason we chose a home birth.  We chose  a home
birth because we wanted to give our child the best possible start in
life.  *For us*, we decided that would be home birth.  If there had been
any reason to suspect complications, we would have transported
immediately.

>One complication, a 30 minute delay getting to the ER, and your child
>*could* end up paying for your economy for the rest of his/her life.
>
There are risks in everything -- the risks for us were lower at home.
Having a baby in hospital does not guarantee a healthy baby. Some babies
get sick *because* they're in the hospital.

>> My midwife is pretty flexible with what it covers. I am free to call
>> her with any questions about my baby's care, even past the 6 week
>> postpartum checkup.
>
>I'm confused.  I thought the function of the midwife was with prenatal
>care and the birth process, not the continuing care of the baby?
>
Midwives are generally knowledgeable about health care in general.  They
used to be the primary health care provider in the community a long time
ago (1700's and earlier).  They were pretty much forced out of business
by doctors.

Michele
From: chrisw@chopin.FtCollins.NCR.com (Chris Whitley)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: RE: Choking - What to do?
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:44:48 GMT
Reply-To: chrisw@chopin..FtCollins.NCR.com (Chris Whitley)
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Microelectronics, Ft. Collins, CO

I think all parents who can possibly find the time and money
(maybe 6 hours and 40$...not trivial necessarily, but well worth
it if you can find it) should take an infant child CPR class.
This class will teach you both safety precautions to prevent 
life-threatening situations and what actions to take when such
a situation occurs.

Regarding your specific description of your handling of choking...
My understanding was that you should not immediately "fish" something
out. 
1. First and foremost, avoid giving kids stuff they will choke
on.  Those biter biscuits always sounded like asking for trouble
to me, so we skipped 'em.
2. If I kid does start to gag, give them a few seconds (10 can
seem like a lifetime) to gag it up themselves.  My daughter so
far has always managed to gag it up herself in the first 15 seconds.
Even as a baby, I make eye contact and say "Are you okay?"  Suprisingly,
even babies will convey that they think they are handling it or
(shudder) convey panic.
3. If the object is stuck, an infant should be placed face/head downwards
(I prefer to think of laying them over my lap at say a 30-45% angle)
with your hand supporting their head and given several firm blows
between the shoulder blades. Children over 1 get a regular Heimlich
manuever instead of back blows (although I'd still try wacking my
20 mo. old on the back if the Heimlich didn't work). 
4. If this doesn't send the object shooting out, look into their
mouth/throat and see if it is visible.  If so, then try to "fish" it out
with a _sideways_ pass of your finger. The problem with trying to
"fish" it out, is exactly what you describe...jamming it into a
worse spot.
5. If you are still having no luck, HOLLER FOR SOMEONE TO CALL 911
(if you haven't done so already). Then, you can either repeat the back
blows or try the modified Heimlich manuver (chest thrusts) you
are describing.  
6. If no one is arround to call 911 for you, you must do it after
a minute or two of failed trying.  I picture myself wacking the baby
and talking to the operator with address info simaltaneously. 
7. You must keep trying to get that blockage out...no artificial
respiration or cardio-pulmonary techniques will help until you do!
8. Once you have them unblocked, CPR is appropriate.

I hope I never use this advice past step 2, but I'm glad I know it.

Chris
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Whole milk verses 2%
Date: 21 Aug 92 01:58:03 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

Paula Burch writes:
>So the rule is: ask your doctor whether your child needs to drink whole
>milk to get enough fat, given her/his overall diet. It's not a hard-and-
>fast rule that ALL babies must drink whole cows milk to develop their

My son (age two) drinks NO milk, whole or skim or anything else, and
hasn't since he was about 14 months.  When I asked the pediatrician
about it, she asked about his diet.  He eats lots of cheese and yogurt
(I give him the really creamy custard style high fat yogurt).  Given
that, the doctor said he really doesn't need any milk.  So if your child
is getting the calcium and fat from other sources, it doesn't matter
what type of milk he drinks (if any!).

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Mom to Brad, 2 years, and Carrie, 2 months
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 16:57:45 GMT
Reply-To: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA

In article <1992Aug11.204755.14130@xn.ll.mit.edu>, rsteele@adam.ll.mit.edu 
(Rob Steele) writes:
> >This, in a nutshell, is why I, and other non-xtians get upset at the
> >contention that xtianity is "correct".  You are trying to make an  
> >objective assessment of a belief system.  You can't do it.  
> 
> Sure you can.  You just did, or tried to.  The question is not
> whether you can but whether the judgement you arive at is true.

Religion is a totally subjective thing.  No "judgement" with regards to
religion can ever be objectively "true".
> 
> >How can you tell if someone heard "corrrectly"?  
> 
> Research.  The religion is not secret or esoteric.

Non sequitur.  Proof:  the varying interpretations even under fundamentalist 
doctrine.
> 
> >Point is, even in your attempt to preach tolerance, you use prejorative 
> >words, quite unconsciously I am sure, but prejorative none the less.  
> >It is that type of attitude that unconsciously devalues other choices  
> >that makes such dialog difficult at best. 
> 
> Every choice _for_ a thing is a choice _against_ its opposite.  That
> is the meaning of choice; without this "prejudice" no choice is possible.

Making a choice != degrading other choices, or attempting to push others to 
also make the same choice regarding matters that are purely subjective.
From: mbb@keps.kodak.com (Maureen Busch)
Subject: Re: Pregnancy Test Kits
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:44:08 GMT

In article <114426@muvms3.bitnet> swk004@muvms3.bitnet (CONNIE LEINEN, SWK004@MARSHALL, HUNTINGTON, WV) writes:
>In article <1992Aug9.041624.4171@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
>> because I ahd taken a home test, and he said he wanted to confirm it becuase
>> he had seen too many false positves. I didnt think that was supposed to
>> happen! Fortunately I was right since I had already told 50,000+ people. :-)
>
>How odd.  My doctor said exactly the opposite.  I was told that false
>positives are exceedingly rare, but false negatives are fairly common.
[Explanation of how they work and how false negatives happen deleted]

Yes, false negatives are common and false positives are relatively rare.  Here
is how a false positive happens:  The couple wants to get pregnant, the woman's
period is late, they get a test and do it at home.  They get one of those tests
that forms a ring at the bottom of the test-tube after 45 minutes if positive.
after 45 minutes, there is no ring, but instead of tossing the test, they
dejectedly go off to work, leaving it to sit all day.  A ring will eventually
form as the sediment settles out, even if there is no pregnancy, so the couple
comes home to a ring and excitedly thinks that it just took more than the 45
minutes for it to go positive.  Never mind that the directions said to wait
only 45 minutes.  I don't know if a similar thing can happen with any other
style of test.
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From: watson@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.k.watson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: duplicate baby blankets
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:48:21 GMT
Organization: AT&T

>I tried that. It didnt work! has anyone out there been able to decide 
>on their childs lovey??

Around the age of one year, my daughter attached herself to a pair of 
yellow nylon tricot jogging shorts she got hold of in my laundry 
basket.  We thought it was cute.  She would hold the shorts and suck 
her thumb.  

Then one day the daycare teachers started to say that she was just 
starting to cry during the day for no reason.  We thought it was 
teething and told them to give her Tylenol.  They still fussed about 
her crying for no reason.  Finally one day I got a bright idea.  I 
went to a fabric store and bought some yellow nylon tricot material 
and some blanket binding. I made her a blanket.  Fortunately, she 
accepted it instead of my shorts.  

When she started taking the blanket to daycare, the next day the 
teacher said "You can forget to bring the baby, but don't forget 
to bring the blanket!"  I made several blankets of this material.
Some of them are just scraps of material with no blanket binding 
on the edges, she likes them all just fine.  As long as it's 
nylon tricot.  She sleeps at night covered with largish pieces of 
the material.  Weird but true. 

-- 
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Mom of Stephanie W. Zolayvar ( 2 yrs, 3 months ) and
       Eric W. Zolayvar (8 weeks)
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Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.lang
Subject: Re: infants and bilingual training
From: kyle@animal (Kyle Maschmeyer)
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:30:19 GMT
Organization: Sharecom Ind.
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In article <Bsu4Co.8JD@acsu.buffalo.edu>, gorman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Anne-Marie K. Gorman) writes:
> I would go for it, but be ready to stop if it looks like the child is
> having too much trouble.  (How can you tell?  I have no idea.  If you
> find out let me know, so I'll know when to stop speaking French to
> my babies!)
> 
The warning to stop if it looks like the child is having too much
trouble may be counterproductive for two reasons:
1) parents tend to be overcautious and may pull the plug during
the period in which confusion naturally takes place, without recognizing
that problems will tend to sort themselves out later such that by a certain
time, most kids will show roughly the same level of development in the
dominant language of their environment
2) who is to say that it isn't a boon to be moderately proficient
in two languages instead of excellent in only one?

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From: staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507))
Subject: Re: Whole milk verses 2%
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:55:43 GMT

>>My son is now 9 months old.  The doctor has told us to switch
>>him to milk, which he seems to like just fine.  My
>>question is that our doctor has said whole milk,  yet
>>my daycare providers doctor insists that whole or 2% doesn't really
>>matter.  I have taken a quick survey around the office and
>>there seems to be a 50 - 50 split over which is better.  My

I had heard this (whole milk) before we weaned our son from breast milk.  (He
was 12 mos - already eating table food and drinking juice by that time.)  The
pediatrician didn't specify a particular type of milk, but we use skim
milk & explicitly asked him if we should buy 2% or whole for Ben.  The
doctor asked us about our general family diet (meat & potatoes, Oriental,
Greek, Italian, etc.) and said not to worry about it - skim milk would
be just fine.

>There have been documented cases (sorry, I don't have references)
>where children have ended up mentally retarded because their parents
>fed them a virtually fat-free diet.  I doubt anyone knows the minimum 
>fat requirement in an infant's diet, but whole milk is a good idea (if
>you feed your son butter cookies, ice cream, french fries and all the
>other stuff you doubless avoid in your own diet, then 2% is also just
>fine). 

From what our doctor said, we got the impression that a fairly well-
balanced (but probably higher in fats/oils than it should/could be :-)
diet was more than fitting the bill.

Ken
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From: stoesser@i31s21.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's family values
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:26:17 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: i31s21.ira.uka.de

In article <aidler.714089686@sanjuan>, aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA (E Alan Idler) writes:
|> ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <aidler.714030781@sanjuan>, aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA (E Alan Idler) 
|> >writes:
|> >> It would be negligent for us as parents to not
|> >> teach our children the truth to they may 
|> >> choose happiness throughout their lives.
|> 
|> >Here we go again.  Prejudicial, judgmental, and calling non-xtian parents 
|> >negligent.  And yet some still wonder what non-xtians find offensive in this 
|> >type of stuff.
|> 
|> I am glad you have provided me this opportunity to speak
|> towards this issue because I would only believe that
|> non-Christian parents were negligent if they were
|> depriving their children of something essential that
|> could not be provided in any other means.

Like Heroin, you mean?

|> Yes, everyone must freely accept Jesus into their lives 
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^
Hey, I'll include this into my collection of quotations. Must freely. Great.

|> by covenant (baptism) and their everyday actions to
|> achieve their full salvation.
|> Our Father's is concerned that everyone will have
|> this opportunity at some time in their life.
|> Some people will be born into homes where this is
|> taught in their youth.  For others, it won't be presented 
|> until later in life, perhaps not until after they have 
|> died, (since life continues because we are eternal).

Or so says Donald Duck. [More blah blah deleted]

|> Therefore, should my daughter invite one of her
|> playmates with us to church (because it is a
|> fun activity for her to do), we would never allow 
|> the other child to attend with us without her parents' 
|> informed consent. 

That's fine (no sarcasm).

                       I am talking about much more than 
|> letting the parents know that their child will be with 
|> our family for a certain length of time, but that we 
|> will be at a place where certain values will be taught.

Like "Do what someone tells you, no matter how stupid it is, or you
will be punished"?

...

|> Now I have a question for you: do you assume that 
|> Christian parents are abusing their children with
|> their teachings?

Depends. I don't know all Christian sects. Members of the Catholic sect
"Angel's Work" for example definitely do.

What if a 15 year old throws herself in front of a car to "prove that she
has a guardian angle"? (Happened approx. 2 month ago in Germany.)

What if a 4 year old "wants to die," because she "wants to be a _young_
angel"? (Seen here in misc.kids)

Etc.
								  Achim
_______________________________________________________________________

I'm an anarchist, atheist, pacifist, and vegetarian.  Several thousand
years ago our ancestors thought that despotic chieftains, thunder gods,
tribal feuds, and cannibalism were good ideas.  Any similarity with
living persons is merely coincidental.
From: neville@cs.washington.edu (Dorothy Neville)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Homeschooling?
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:30:40 GMT
Distribution: na,misc
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle


About homeschooling... especially for Keith who loved school
and is planning to teach.  I think you ought to wait until
after you have taught for a while, then come to a more informed
decision about education.

I taught several years at a wealthy college-prep K-12 school, and
while it had its good points, I would seriously consider homeschooling
over it.  I also shared a house for several years with a woman and her
son while he was in a Waldorf school.  He was there for many reasons
after starting off in the relatively well off public school system
that was nowhere near meeting his needs.  While he mostly thrived at
Waldorf, there were some things I would consider serious drawbacks, so
if I were to send my child to Waldorf, I would also employ some form
of structured homeschooling.  Come to think of it, no matter what,
everything parents do *is* homeschooling, and no matter what I choose
for my kids (which I don't have yet) I would also take seriously the
teaching and sharing I can do.

My sister spent 3 years with her son in the local public school.  She
was there every day, volunteering with administrative things and in
the classroom; she was integral in starting the hands-on science after
school program.  She was there for her son and for all the other kids,
and fought hard for changes.  Unfortunately she got too frustrated,
and now her son is in private school and flourishing.  She however is
still volunteering, teaching hands on science at the public school, by
the way.  My sister and her husband also have always taken their son
to the library, museums, and other places, facilitating learning in
anything the boy showed an interest in, without pressuring him into
anything.  This I believe is why this 9 year old is still very
interested in learning new things.  She considers that she
homeschooled him for those years, with free babysitting provided by
the state for a few hours each day.

Just one example of my nephew's public school life.  His first grade
teacher was just not equipped to deal with the normal developmental
stages of first graders, she didn't have the patience needed.  James
was always well behaved and never got her anger directed at him, but
several children did repeatedly.  And my sister was known for working
for all the kids, not just hers.  Once the teacher went off on a
tirade against a girl.  She must have realised it was inappropriate
for she called James up to her desk and asked/told him not to tell his
mother what happened.  Is that healthy?  Is that what you want for
your kids?  (he reluctantly did tell his mom, she told the principal,
and at the end of the year, the teacher was transferred, get that,
transferred, not fired.)

Dorothy Neville