From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Farewell, Ms. Schwarz 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 16:14:14 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

Seems I should say something on the same subject again.

In the best way of Mutlu respectable opponent decided
to express her opinion of my deficient, corrupted, etc nature,
so I fell I should answer again.

Unfortunately, respectable opponent didn't learn yet how to attribute 
citations, but while the first one below wasn't my and 
I wouldn't comment on that and her answer, others are mine.

This time I wouldn't pay attention to numerious logic slips
of respectable opponent.

In article <1992Sep10.102423.24745@cco.caltech.edu> patricia@cco.caltech.edu (Patricia M. Schwarz) writes:
>>>Well, some of her postings are somewhat unadequate - when she
>>>manages to find something feministic in Master&Margaret etc.
>>>But note, that there's nothing offensive for anybody in any 
>>>of her articles.
>
>You don't own Master and Margaret. And neither do I. I think Bulgakov had
>more talent than to write just to the understanding of one single individual.
>If there were just one correct understanding of any work of literature, then
>the field of literary criticism would not exist.
>
>>I don't have anything against Ms. Schwarz personally.
>>What's more, maybe if I would meet her I'd fall from the love
>>from first sight
>
>A cold day in hell. You're a small-minded, bitter coward and I have
>nothing to do with people like you, Russian or feminist or Communist
>or anything. 

You really have almost nothing common with me, but that or 
contents of my previous replies do not give you any right or 
basis for your mutloized accusations.

>Perhaps you are some disappointed emigrant. Or maybe there
>is some deeper, more sorrowful source of this poisonous anger that you fling
>at me. 

Wrong. And I don't feel neither anger nor despise - only wish
you learn something before starting to speculate on 
Russian literature (or any given subject). 

>But nonetheless, you are not impressive at all. You trash everything
>I say, and then have nothing to offer of your own.

I didn't comment on most part of what you wrote (though there were 
enough to say there also).  I never wanted to be impressive -
I don;t like or need "brosanie chepchikov v vozduh". Neither
I'm intersted in "metanie bisera pered ...".

And literature isn't my speciality so I shouldn't suck 
my or someone's else finger to offer deep insights to make living 
this way. There is more than enough deep insights of that kind 
in this world - I'd be more happy to decrease their quaintity.
Anyway, there were some direct referencies and questions in
my postings, which you silently ignored, concentrating on
more important subject for Bulgakov's, Gogol's or Pasternak research
questions like Moscow kitchen, abused childhood and homosexuality.
I really have nothing of this kind to offer to you or anybody else
- but don't worry, there enough tabloids and tabloid-alike researchers
so your hands wouldn't be empty.

>What's more, you're such a coward that you can't even trash me to my
>face.
??? 
Whose face you show to s.c.s?


>I hate men and women like you. You live to abuse others.

Strong!

>>But she was and is very, I repeat, *very* offensive to 
>>Russian literature and culture. 
>
>Oh pardon me, I thought Russian literature and culture was a broad
>field of human endeavor spanning centuries, with a wealth of competing
>ideas and themes and poets and writers.
>
>I must have been wrong. It turns out that Russian literature and culture
>is actually three frustated guys on Usenet.

Have you ever heard, that culture is a living organism, not
a collection of toys or weeping-relieve devices.

Have you ever heard that culture should be defended? Do you a favour,
read Nabokov's Lectures on Russian Literature. Maybe you'll find
that he was nastier than everybody here to much better writers,
than, according to examples of your creative writing, you are -
let's say, at least now. Maybe you'll find something more - though
I have more and more serious doubts about that.

Have you ever heard that when you start or try to study other culture
you should have clean hands, you should try to understand other
culture priorities and directions, rules and dimensions?

There were discussion not long ago in rec.travel under characteristik
subject "Loud, irritative americans" - you may look there. The main point
was that americans really don't travel to other countries - they 
export themselves, export America for a short period of time there.
Of course, there are a lot of others.
I mention these only because your approach to different culture is
completely the same - "through the prizm", as somebody else put it
unconsciencely trying to defend your way.

You can do it and write a book - but that wouldn't be Russian culture,
and it wouldn't be American culture too. 

>Wait until I tell all my friends in Moscow. It'll be a surprise, for sure.

"Tell who are your friends and I would tell you who you are". Old proverb -
and works vice versa :-) Then there are different circumstances :-)

And, please, read Nabokov's "The gift" - and if you need to identify
yourself with somebody, try to identify with screenwriter (his name
was Boool or something - you'll recognize him).

>
>>And she didn't understand that.
>>And she tries to write a book - with that ignorant and offensive
>>attitude.
>>-igor
>
>I think you really hate me because I have come into your closed bitter
>world and laid my heart open for everyone, including for vicious cowards
>like you. My emotional openness scares the hell out of you. You are so
>contorted inside with fear that you hate anyone who takes the chances I have
>taken here.

Complete bullshit.

>I'm sorry that you hate my book before you've seen it. Several people
>have already seen the first chapter and love it.
>
>Last week my coauthor had dinner with Yuri Orlov and he said we are doing
>precisely the thing that needs to be done. And the heads of the Slavic
>departments at Princeton and Cornell are also very enthusiastic
>about our work, as are the Russian PhD advisors of my coauthor at
>Leningrad University, and many other people in film, literature
>and language in Russia.
>
>You see, you don't know anything or anyone, all you know is what you
>lived. 

Are you sure?
But, yes, connections with powers of this world should dramatically
improve the quality of the book in question. :-)

>Luckily, it's possible for a person to find out more than just
>what they lived themselves.
>
>That is how literature exists in the first place.

Wrong.

>I am quitting this group and leaving all back to your trying to solve
>how many antisemites can fit on the head of an Estonian pin in
>Romania without speaking Latin.
>
>Thank you to the many nice people out there who have wished me luck
>in my project and have offered to help. But really, I'm not strong
>enough to take this type of cowardly abuse, so I have to leave.
>It hurts too much. But better to be able to be hurt and to be able
>to say so than to become bitter and frustrated like Igor and his pals.
>
>-patricia

Now I can explain why somebody else said you are of kind of people
who form the soil for Nazis or Communists, or, put it simply, 
blind fanatics.

But it should be evident at this point.

Very cowardly, as usual,

	-igor
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