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From: kossa@TLPEL3.FREC.BULL.FR
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Japanese texts wanted <PLEASE>
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:27:41 GMT
Distribution: fj

Hi fellow netters,

As a japanese student, I'm trying to read as many japanese texts as possible
to learn kanjis. As I have no access to fj.* groups, I find that difficult.
Could some nice souls send me some good texts (stories or so on) ?
Please, no hard-to-read-even-for-native newspaper articles, I'm still a
beginner !
Thank you so much for those who can help me.

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From: s8922967@MACKAY.MPCE.MQ.EDU.AU
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: Japanese texts wanted <PLEASE>
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:20:41 GMT
Distribution: fj

> As a japanese student, I'm trying to read as many japanese texts as possible
> to learn kanjis. As I have no access to fj.* groups, I find that difficult.
> Could some nice souls send me some good texts (stories or so on) ?
> Please, no hard-to-read-even-for-native newspaper articles, I'm still a
> beginner !
> Thank you so much for those who can help me.

Me too please,

A general post of sites for ftp/ftpmail to pick up some?

Domo arigato gozaimashta,

Murray.


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From: P.McColgan@FRPR.BULL.FR
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Japanese emphasis MBA info sought (plus a dic. reference)
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:35:57 GMT
Distribution: fj

Bonjour encore une fois,

I'm thinking of going back to the States to do an MBA
but only if I can find the right program (and they will
accept me of course).  I'm looking for one which has a
strong an emphasis as possible on Japan, through language,
doing business in Japan etc....  I would like to do a large
percentage of the studies and language training in Japan
itself.  I so far know of programs offered by UCLA and MIT.

I would be very grateful if anyone could supply me with any
information or recommendations.

If posting from USENET could you please E-mail me as I don't
receive sci.lang.japan.

regards from the baking boulevards,

Peter


P.S.

Perhaps it's too hot for me here in Paris, with my Scottish
blood and all, but I read the mail from Gary Brown in probably
even hotter (how hot does it get?) and sultrier Osaka and got
just a little confused.

Just to try and make it clear there are two books (at least)
by Hadamitzky and Spahn.  One is a Japanese-English Dictionary,
whose reference has not been given yet on this mailing list, and
the other is what I called a "guide" which Gary calls a kanji
dictionary (called "Kanji and Kana").

As promised, the reference for the Japanese-English Dictionary is:

Japanese Character Dictionary (with compound lookup via any Kanji)
Mark Spahn (try and spell it right this time :-) and Wolfgang
Hadamitzky

Nichigai Associates
ISBN 4-8169-0828-5    5000yen
From: MORIMOTS%UIAMVS.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Repeated Receipt of Nihongo Bulletin Board Postings
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:14:06 GMT
Distribution: fj

Is it only I who suddenly started to receive every posting
on the Nihongo electronic bulletin board repeated twice,
instead of just once?  Although I have been a subscriber to
this listserv for a while, I received an automatice subscription
acknowledgement notice yesterday, which I suspect, is related
to this duplicate message receipt oddity.  Any information
on the ways in which this rather annoying situation could be
properly handled, without completly cancelling my subscription,
would be greatly appreciated.

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From: smittie@BEACH.CSULB.EDU
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: racism in Japan
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:57:23 GMT
Distribution: fj

Ethnicentrism cannot be a form of racism since ethnocentrism is based on
ethnicity and racism is based on race. Ethnicity and race are not synonymous.
Both are forms of prejudice.

smittie
From: march@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: Japanese emphasis MBA info sought (plus a dic. reference)
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:20:04 GMT
Distribution: fj


	P.McColgan@FRPR.BULL.FR asked about an MBA program with Japanese
emphasis.  I know Wharton School has one, with participants spending
time in Japan for language training, home stays, classes, and company visits.
I've heard that the Wharton School is one of the oldest (if not the
oldest) Business School program offering the MBA.  In this age of MBA glut,
a good well-recognized name certainly helps.

	Mark
From: M.Kossa@FREC.BULL.FR
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Software on Unix.
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:09:18 GMT
Distribution: fj

Dear fellow netters,
I was wondering if any of you knows about software to help learn japanese,
under Unix and X11. All I see is software for MS-DOS, but Unix would be
more convenient for me.
Thank you all !
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From: P.McColgan@FRPR.BULL.FR
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re:  English->Kanji/hiragana/katakana dictionary sought
Date: 29 Jul 92 08:33:29 GMT
Distribution: fj

Thank you very much to everyone who E-mailed or posted
regarding dictionaries.  I now know what I need to get.

In response to Gary Brown's posting, the Hadamitzky and Spahn
dictionary I had in mind is not the "KANJI & KANA" guide, but
a full blown Japanese->English dictionary.  I do not have the
reference with me, but will post it tomorrow if no-one does
it before then.

regards from somewhat overcast Paris

Peter
From: borden@M5.HARVARD.EDU
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: racism in Japan
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:08:09 GMT
Distribution: fj

>
>Ethnicentrism cannot be a form of racism since ethnocentrism is based on
>ethnicity and racism is based on race. Ethnicity and race are not synonymous.
>Both are forms of prejudice.
>
>smittie


What, then, is the difference between race and ethnicity?  How do you define
the two terms?


   - Dave
From: mgilula@NEWSSUN.MED.MIAMI.EDU
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re:  Surreal Email
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:06:38 GMT
Distribution: fj

re:
----------------

I deleted the last few messages ostensibly about UNIX NIHONGO SOFTWARE, and now
I just opened D. Inouye's post which reads like a page from Andre Breton's
SOLUBLE FISH.

Does this have anything to do with Nihongo or with UNIX software???
-----------------

does it matter?
-73-
Shoganai yo..

Marshall
mgilula@newssun.med.miami.edu
From: P.McColgan@FRPR.BULL.FR
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: English->Kanji/hiragana/katakana dictionary sought
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:52:39 GMT
Distribution: fj

Just to make a change from "racism", I'm looking
for recommendations for a English->Japanese
dictionary.  It seems that "Nelson" is the
reference for Kanji->English, but are there
any well known references for the opposite,
perhaps "Noslen"?

Regarding Kanji->English, I've heard that
Hadamitzky and Spahm's dictionary is very
good and that (apparently) unlike Nelson
it gives compounds for the Kanjis which
are not just in the first position of the
word.  Anyone used this dictionary before?

regards from sunny Paris

Peter McColgan

ps. If replying from USENET could you please
    E-mail me as well since I don't receive
    sci.lang.jpn
From: mgilula@NEWSSUN.MED.MIAMI.EDU
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: racism in Japan
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:40:15 GMT
Distribution: fj

in ref. to the following post:
Victor--I hate to have to tell you this, and this is just my opinion,
but I think the Japanese are very racist. You need but look at the
history of the "Greater East Asian Coprosperity Sphere" to find this
out. In fact, you might want to read John Dower's book "War Without
Mercy" to get an idea of what the Japanese in the 1930s meant about the
nations of Asia assuming their "proper position." Their immigration
policies are exclusionary, and the vast majority of Japanese-born people
of Asian ancestry are not Japanese citizens. To become a Japanese citizen,
one must first steel oneself against prejudice and insularity. One must
then be able to speak, read and write Japanese very well and, finally,
be willing to abandon one's name for a Japanese name. This much I know
for sure. There is probably much more.


I agree as a gaijiin married to a lovely Japanese jazz singer. Despite
all my inlaws being quite polite to me, the differences in physiognomie
are extemely obvious at just a glance.  Some of my best friends in Japan
who are musicians and who have grown up in the system, going to school,
speaking the language and being totally acculturated , have been treated
as pariahs all their life because of being half-gaijiin.

-73-
Marshall F. Gilula, M.D              "El que busca mucho nada encuentra, pero
mgilula@newssun.med.miami.edu         el que busca nada mucho encuentra"
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From: smittie@BEACH.CSULB.EDU
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: racism in Japan
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:50:14 GMT
Distribution: fj

My Webster's II New Riverside Dictionary defines enthic as "of or relating to a
racial, national, or cultural group."

So based on that alone it is sage to say that Mr. Borden had it backwards.

Race is defined as a division of the population distinguished by physical
characteristics transmitted by genes.

I agree with Mr. Borden in concept. I am simply pointing out rather minor
semantics here. Sorry for picking nits. :{)

smittie
From: T.Legvold@EDB.UIB.NO
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: Software on Unix.
Date: 24 Jul 92 11:43:27 GMT
Distribution: fj

In article <9207231206.AA04010@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> you write:
>Dear fellow netters,
>I was wondering if any of you knows about software to help learn japanese,
>under Unix and X11. All I see is software for MS-DOS, but Unix would be
>more convenient for me.
>Thank you all !
>--
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>| Bull SA, BP 208, 1 Rue de Provence, 38432 Echirolles CEDEX, FRANCE |
>| M.Kossa@frec.bull.fr | Phone : 33 76397500 ex 7421 | Office B1-163 |
>+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
>"Soyez sage les enfants"                        - Robocop in "Robocop"

You've probably gotten loads of replies already, but in case
you havent, here goes (from memory):

kterm (kanji xterm)
Nemacs (Japanese emacs)
Wnn4  (wnn jserver - conversion server)
skk   (FEP - I think - I haven't installed it yet)
jstevie (Japanese vi - who uses vi? ;-)
X kanji fonts (included in dist)
jinput (japanese fep rutine for kterm)

Bare minimum: kterm, Nemacs (with EGG FEP - it's included), and
Wnn4 server.  This is what I currently use, but it's a bit buggy
(on a NeXT - it was designed for a Sun) but works as long as
I remember to start everything in the proper order and set the
environment variables right.

When you want to print out (I assume to a Laser), you need:
jenscript (Japanese enscript - make PS of text - you need perl)
kanjips  (convert a Japanese PS doc for printing on a non
	Japanese Laser printer - you need fonts for this to work)
perl  (for jenscript to work)
jis16, jis24, jis36, jis48 (japanese bitmap fonts for kanjips - PD)


You can also use JTeX, if you're into that sort of thing, but it
uses lots of disk...  Of course the output is much nicer, too.
I use plain old Nemacs to make texts, and print out on a NeXT
laser at 400 dpi with 48 (I also have commercial 50 dot) fonts.
The result is pretty near a PS font at 12 points, but of course
the quality is reduced as sizes increase.  And I can't use
bold, italic, etc - that requires TeX.

For these files, try: ftp.waseda.ac.jp, or the university of
Tokyo's archives (don't remember name, something like utsun.u-tokyo.u.
jp)

Good luck!
Thor
edmtl@fiol.uib.no
From: brown@VDRL.SRC.MEI.CO.jp
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Racism, Ethnocentrism, and Videotape
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:43:47 GMT
Distribution: fj

Dear Nihongo-Listers,

I have just one comment regarding M. Covington's interesting thought below.

   >>From: Maiko Covington <ecovingt@SDCC13.UCSD.EDU>
   >>
   >>Race vs. ethnicity? Well.... ethnicity has to do with the culture you are
   >>practicing, whereas race has to do with things like happening to have the
   >>genes for black skin or white, blue eyes or green, I think
   >>		     Maiko Covington
   >>
   >>Example: How about 3rd or 4th generation "Japanese Americans"..
   >>...who have never been to Japan, do not speak any of the language at all,
   >>and who don't really have any ties with the culture anymore? Are they
   >>Japanese? I'd say they are racially, yes, but maybe not ethnically
   >>anymore. Maybe this is bad example

I remember seeing a letter to the editor of the Japan Times about five
months ago asking why they put stories about Japanese-Americans on
the "National" page.  (The complaint was that the stories have nothing
to do with Japanese or Japan, but are just incidents involving people of
Japanese decent.  The letter brought up an example of an Italian American
getting into a car accident, after which the Italian newspapers treat it as
National news.)

From my point of view, Japanese consider Americans of Japanese decent
to be Japanese residing abroad.  Doesn't this relate to the concept of
ethnocentrism, where "Japanese" as an ethnicity is a stronger trait from
the Japanese persepctive than one's citizenship or home country.

   >> (Maiko pulls up the asbestos undies).
I'm bewildered at the thought...

Oh by the way, I used a Japanese textbook which will be used at UCSD
called "The UCSD Japanese Program" I think.  The furigana looks terrible,
and the book isn't typeset nicely yet (there is also no index), but we
used it in the EAGLE Program at Indiana's Rose-Hulman Institute of Indiana.
Do you know when it will be published?

	Gary


Gary Brown    MATSUSHITA ELECTRIC INDUSTRIAL CO., LTD.
              SEMICONDUCTOR RESEARCH CENTER, VLSI DEVICES RESEARCH LAB
              3-15 YAGUMO-NAKAMACHI, MORIGUCHI OSAKA, 570  JAPAN
Email: brown@vdrl.src.mei.co.jp,  Tel: (06)906-4907,  Fax: (06)906-3851

Go Bears!
From: db6j+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: kanji of the day #21
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:56:39 GMT
Distribution: fj

>A provokative statement:
>When you learn Japanese, the worst thing you might do is starting to
>read the GENJI NO MONOGATARI. Its value for the understanding of modern Japan
>is nil. This can be likened to the complete irrelevance of HOMER for the
>understanding of modern Greece. BTW: The "Genji" has been translated
>to all major European languages.

Hi!
I dont really think too many people would read GENJI to learn about
modern Japan- I'm reading it right now, and I would hardly compare it to
anything I've learned about Japan!  Interesting you should mention it at
this time, though.
What other MONOGATARI would you recommend?
Thanks,
Douglas Brashear
db6j+@andrew.cmu.edu
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Subject: Re: Question
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:39:29 GMT
Distribution: fj

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On Thu, 23 Jul 1992, 23-Jul-1992 1710 wrote:

> Hey, I've read some stuff about future tense, and present tense, and past
> tense, but what happens when two or more tenses have the same meaning?
>
> For example, "asu" means tomorrow, right?  And "ashita" also means tomorrow.
> So, what about "ashiteru"?  Does that also mean tomorrow?
>
> Please answer today, 'cause I can't figure out what my girlfriend said her
> plans were for tonight and tomorrow.
>
> -- Norman Diamond     diamond@jit081.enet.dec.com
>


Were you joking??????

aishiteru means "I love you"!  If thats what she said, she may change her
mind if you do not respond properly !!!  Women can be touchy *G*R*I*N*!

Charlie
From: anil@CS.TITECH.AC.jp
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: racism in Japan
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:40:27 GMT
Distribution: fj

smittie writes:
Ethnicentrism cannot be a form of racism since ethnocentrism is based on
ethnicity and racism is based on race. Ethnicity and race are not synonymous.
Both are forms of prejudice.
:
smittie

At the Int. Assoc for Students Against Rascism conf in 1985:
1) Rascism was defined as the power to ACT in a discriminatory (see 3) way
against (some pre-defined set of) groups
2) Prejudice was defined as rascism without the power to act
3) Discrimination can be positive or negative

Racsism is therfore emodied in the action of an employer who decides to
put his prejudice into effect. If the ACT is a policy of the institution, then
it becomes institutionalised rascism.

For example, Japanese banks add -2 points when assessing non-japanese liability
as a potential credit card holder. There is also a miscellaneous subjective
point value added by the bank to decide whether you can have the card/loan.
Most assesors give an extra -2 bonus points to those who cannot speak
Japanese.

Prejudice is just the feeling of the people who take no
action, or who have no power to instantiate their feelings.
This viewpoint gives a perspective for passive and active rascism.
Although they might feel that they want you to *go back home* they are unable
to
put their feelings into actions.
In Britian the actions of these *powerless* proles lead to "ugly scenes".
By virtue of their prejudice becoming an ACT it becomes rascism.

These were the views of the keynote speaker at that time, as far as I can
recall.
I must apologise for not being able to remember her name.
The conf. was held at Newcastle University.
Without going into much more detail I would refer you to
the work by Chandra Bhatia (Community Relations Officer, Ilford)
who has written in depth on the subject.

Anil Bhatia
From: cabku01@MAILSERV.ZDV.UNI-TUEBINGEN.DE
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: Software on Unix.
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:04:03 GMT
Distribution: fj

Hello Marc!

I'm a german chemistry student who tries desperately to get some japanese
software. I'm learning japanese for about 4 month and I often stray through
the fj-groups, but all these texts are in japanese, which my terminal
can't translate or display. So I always have a lot of junk on my screen.
Is there any (MS-DOS) program (preferably public domain on an ftp-site)
which enables me to read and write japanese letters?
Thanks a lot in advance for your help. (merci beaucoup)
Salu.
         Hartwig.

Please contact me via e-mail :  cabku01@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de
From: RRWEST01@ulkyvx03.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: English->Kanji/hiragana/katakana dictionary sought
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:28:38 GMT
Distribution: fj

Kenkyusha's Furigana Dictionary
ISBN 4-7674-1172-6
From: thutt@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: kanji-software
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:25:27 GMT
Distribution: fj

David wrote:

>Just happened to see your email to Hartwig and I would like to obtain the file
>kanjips.tar.Z , unfortunately this site does not have ftp capability so I would
>very much appreciate it if you could possibly send me an address of someone who
>could email the file to me in sections.
>(or whatever is most convenient)

Are you running a Unix machine, or are you running an MS-DOS machine (as the
    target of the software).

    Does your machine support tarmail?

    If you support tarmail, I would be happy to break the file into several
    sections and mail them to you in pieces.  Otherwise, if you are
    targeting an MS-DOS machine for this software, I would be more than
    happy to put it on a floppy, that you provide, and mail it back to you.

    (tarmail may be easiest)

    Taylor
    thutt@thama1.apgea.army.mil