From: rmulvey@blurt.oswego.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Rush vs. facts
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:50:31 GMT
Organization: SUNY College at Oswego, Oswego, NY

In article <105120015@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, patm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Pat Murphy) writes:
> In alt.rush-limbaugh, burgoyne@access.digex.com (J. Robert Burgoyne) writes:
> 
>> alex@red-dragon.umbc.edu (alex) writes:
>> : 
>> : 	I've been really wondering about the GOP tactic of trying to
>> : convice the public that they are not really miserable. Assuming that
>> : things are really better then they seem, it strikes me as poor
>> : political judgement to tell the general public that they are wrong.
>> 
>> Come on Alex, it's the liberal media that's been trying to convince us for
>> the last 12 years that the economy is doing badly and that we're doomed
>> unless we come to our senses and elect a democrat as president.
>>  
>> : 	Whats even more astounding is to think that you can *lie*, and
>> : still expect people to believe you instead of their own instincts. Rush
>> : announced last week that durable goods were up in both the 2nd and 3rd
>> : quarter. In contrast, the Times business section (Thursday, Oct 29),
>> : has a detailed article on how durable goods orders have fallen for the 
>> : third month in a row.
>> 
>> Alex, you've got to read between the lines.Durable goods orders as a whole are
>> down. But, take away the defense goods, and durable goods orders are up. Since
>                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 		how can you *take away* defense goods?!@?
> 		georgie (and no doubt rush) would have us believe
> 		we need a strong defense to protect our interests
> 		against the likes of the baghdad bully (shame bush
> 		didn't let stormin' norman take care of this pariah
> 		when he had the chance...) 

	Do you remember what happened on December 7, 1941 when our defence 
  was not so strong? The reason President Reagan, President Bush, and Mr. 
  Limbaugh want a strong defense is so that something like Pearl Harbor 
  does not happen again. Don't forget that those nuclear bombs in the 
  former Soviet Union are still pointed at us. 
	You aparently have not read "Stormin' Norman's" book or his article 
  in the September issue of Newsweek. If you had you would have known that 
  if we had invaded Iraq the coalition would have fallen apart. If we 
  had gone in, then under the provisions of the Geneva and Hague conventions 
  we would have been the occupying forces. So the whole thing would have 
  been our responsibility. That would be very expensive and difficult.

>               fact is durable goods
> 		are DOWN not up... you play with the numbers in the
> 		same manner congress applies the social security
> 		surplus to the deficit... like somehow things aren't
> 		sooooo bad... tell that to the lady who just lost her
> 		job or the guy who can't find employment...
> 
	You accuse conservatives of playing with numbers and choose to 
  beleive the liberal media. Didn't you wonder on the day after the 
  election when the Today show had their economy expert on to say that the 
  economy was suddenly miraculously poised for a recovery? Sound familiar?
  That's what President  Bush has been saying for the last 2 months! 
> 
>> the private sector can not influence the size of defense orders for durable
> 
> 		that's right... this is bush's doing...
> 
	Yes, President Bush did do something right, didn't he? If the 
  private sector had more control over defence orders there would be more
  people  like Hussein. He got his weapons from unscrupulous firms who care
  more  about the almighty buck than world peace. 

>> goods, the net result is that private sector orders for durable goods are up.
>> This is another example of how the media skews things. If you want to learn 
>> the information I just gave you, you have to go beyond the liberal media.
> 
> 		where do we turn?  the national enquirer?
> 
	No, I think you would have better luck with the AP Wire Service on 
  compuserve
>> 
>> Robert Burgoyne
> 
> 
> pjm (votin' for a change tomorrow!)

	O.k. That's your choice pjm, but let me know what you think of a change
  for left 4 years from now.

				Rebecca
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