HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jpugh@apple.com (Jon Pugh)
Subject: Re: 2nd Party HyperCard Books-- i.e., How can I get TFM?
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 07:21:34 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hypercard

In article <-1wz1lh@rpi.edu>, liebea@vccnw01.its.rpi.edu (Adam Fred
Lieberman) wrote:
> 
>      My computer came with HyperCard version 2.1.  The paltry documentation
> accompanying it doesn't discuss it, but the authoring and scripting capabilities
> are there.  So I went to the dealer (RPI's own ITSPC) and asked how I could
> purchase the standard HyperCard documentation (all this was included with
> earlier Macs).  They informed me that the only way they knew about was to
> buy the HyperCard Development Kit.  This should not be necessary.  All I
> want is information on using the software I've got.  Could someone please
> tell me how it's easy for me to obtain the manuals?

Personally, I never use any books.  I use the Help stacks that come with
the developer kit.  They beat the hell out of the books since they are on
the machine and at my finger tips.  They are worth the price.

Jon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: steven@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Steve Stergakis)
Subject: postcript saves on HC 2.1 cards
Organization: Monash University, Caulfield Campus
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:38:20 GMT

anyone out there know of a way to print (take a copy)
of a card and save it into a postscript file.... i dont actually
wish to print the card right away but i want it saved in a format
whic can be imported into a word processor such as Word 5...

i cant find any such functionality in the menus...
steven 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu (Joshua Yeidel)
Subject: Re: Preserving Text-styles
Reply-To: yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu (Joshua Yeidel)
Organization: Academic Computing Services, Washington State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 16:58:29 GMT


The current implementation of styled text in Hypercard does not permit
styling in variables. I guess the developers of HC would say, "Yes,
you're asking too much."  Perhaps the nest version...

In article <67530@cup.portal.com>, David_Greg_Herlihy@cup.portal.com writes:
|>From: David_Greg_Herlihy@cup.portal.com
|>Subject: Preserving Text-styles
|>Organization: The Portal System (TM)
|>Lines: 11
|>
|>A while back, I asked how one could transfer text from one hypercard
|>field to another while retaining text styles.  A few pointed out that
|>one could script a copy and paste procedure, and that a Rinaldi XCMD
|>Fulltext creates a global variable keeping textstyles.  Neither solutions
|>seems particularly effective.  I would like, for example, to fetch
|>text from another card without actually going there (e.g. fld "text" of
|>next card) which causes delay.  It would also be nice if the text could
|>be manipulated in a function and still keep each word's text style.
|>Finally, I would like to be able to export the text to a word document
|>and keep the styles.  Am I asking too much?  Thanks for any ideas.
|>---David
|>
--
Joshua Yeidel               | yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu
Academic Computing Services | All standard disclaimers apply
Washington State University |   "Believe it if you need it, 
Pullman, WA 99164-1226      |     or leave it if you dare..."
509/335-0441                |         -- Robert Hunter
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: clas005@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Subject: Re: Play TWO notes at once with Hypercard?
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:42:24 GMT

> Does anyone know if it is possible, using the Hypertalk PLAY command
> to have hypercard combine two or more sounds?

The short answer is: dream on.... :-(

Sympathetically -- matt n.
From: dl1@ukc.ac.uk (D.Langford)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: SuperCard paint objects - fixed b/w?
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:36:13 GMT
Reply-To: dl1@ukc.ac.uk (Duncan Langford)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1992Oct9.200644.270@bnr.ca> dpenn@bnr.ca (Dick Penn) writes:
>In article <1762@eagle.ukc.ac.uk> dl1@ukc.ac.uk (Duncan Langford) writes:
>>
>>The [SC] manual says - somewhere - that you can't change colours of paint
>>objects. Is this really so? Even if you can change their patterns?
>>
>>Any advice appreciated.
>>
>>- duncan

>Just double-click it in SuperEdit, there's a radio-button for 8-bit color
>there.


Without wishing to sound ungrateful, I tried this some time back
and it didn't work then... and it doesn't work now, either.

No one has come up with a way of resetting the colours - as 
distinct from /patterns/ - of SC paint objects.

Can I assume - groan - that it can't be done?

- duncan
From: jpugh@apple.com (Jon Pugh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: utility stacks
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:05:40 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <UeqR1_K00WB5QYN24Y@andrew.cmu.edu>, jm7f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joe
Melvin) wrote:
> 
> What's the current slew of great utility stacks to get?  A couple of
> years back there was a great one from Dartmouth, one from Apple I think,
> and some others I can't remember.  By "utility stacks" I mean ones with
> one or more of scripts/XCMDs/XFCNs which might be useful to use in
> developing stackware.

See my /pub/pugh/hyperstuff directory on ftp.apple.com for some of my
utility stacks.  They aren't bundled into one yet, but I'm working on it.

> Also, there used to be a great anonymous FTP host at stanford, node
> SUMEX.STANFORD.EDU (it brings up the address SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU when
> you telnet to SUMEX).  I tried to telnet to it today, and couldn't get in
> with userid=anonymous, password=anonymous.  Does anyone know how to get
> into SUMEX, and/or know of any other good anonymous FTP hosts for
> HyperCard, HyperText (IBM PC world included), or Mac stuff?

You don't telnet to sumex, you ftp to it and then login as anonymous. 
Check out the /info-mac/card/x directory for XCMDs and the like.  The
Rinaldi collection is notable in its scope.

Jon
From: alves@calvin.usc.edu (William Alves)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Preserving Text-styles
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:59:10 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: calvin.usc.edu

In article <73314@apple.Apple.COM> jkc@Apple.COM (John Kevin Calhoun) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.165829.28009@serval.net.wsu.edu>
>yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu (Joshua Yeidel) writes:

>>The current implementation of styled text in Hypercard does not permit
>>styling in variables. I guess the developers of HC would say, "Yes,
>>you're asking too much."  Perhaps the nest version...

>Speaking as one of the developers of HC, let me say that, yes, you're
>asking too much of HyperTalk, which by design can only handle data that
>can be represented as ASCII text.

Then how about a field property called styleRuns (or something like that)
that will return in ASCII form the style/font changes in a field:

put the styleRuns of cd fld 1

char 14 to 35 of cd fld 1,Geneva,bold
char 36 to 39 of cd fld 1,Geneva,bold,underline
char 58 to 95 of cd fld 1,Monaco,italic

By the way, fields, too, were originally designed to "only handle data
that can represented as ASCII text," though I agree with the proposal
for a language to replace HyperTalk.

Bill Alves
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: dpg@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Daniel Patrick GOTTLIEBSEN)
Subject: Re: Avoid returning to "HOME" after Popping Cards
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:48:13 GMT

Steve Lescure <SLESCUR@auvm.american.edu> writes:
> I have created a stack with about 175 cards. EAch card has a return button
>which simply returns the user to the previous card (I am using the push and
>pop functions).  If the user keeps hitting this button, he will eventually be
>returned to the Home card.  I would like to avoid sending them to the Home
>Card, since this creates problems for my stack.  Is there an easy way?

	You could have a global variable named,for example, stackDepth. When
ever you use push card, add 1 to stackDepth. Before using popcard, check to
see if stackDepth is greater than zero and only do the pop card if it is. 
After you do pop card, make sure you subtract one from stackDepth.

e.g.

on goThere
  global stackDepth
  push card
  add 1 to stackDepth
  go card "Whatever"
end goThere

on goBack
  global stackDepth
  if stackDepth > 0 then
    pop card
    subtract 1 from stackDepth
  end if
  -- else ignore it :-)
end goBack


Hope this helps...
From: parshall@ed.ecn.purdue.edu (Jim Parshall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Inverted text in HC
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:09:51 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <jpugh-131092232929@90.20.3.210> jpugh@apple.com (Jon Pugh) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.235641.592@oswego.Oswego.EDU>,
>silliman@oswego.Oswego.edu wrote:
>> 
>> I need a bg fld that is black with white letters.  I have tried to do this by
>> selecting the text, but when i go to another card in the same bg the fld turns
>> white. This is because it has to select the text on that card.  I then tried to
>> lock the screen so that i could go to the next card, select the text,
>> and then unlock the screen.  This doesn't work, because  unlocking the screen
>> de-selects the text.  
>> 	Does anyone have any ideas?  Perhaps an inverted font or something? 
>
>I generally paint the card black and then use a transparent field with a
>font styled with outline.  This works quite well.
>
>Jon

Geez, I quit developing HyperCard applications so I can get my Masters and
I forget simple things like transparent fields.   Good point, Jon.  I have
done exactly what you stated above.

Pressures of grad school.


Jim
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: maxn@obelix.cs.uoregon.edu (Max Napolitano)
Subject: Two line buttons-is it possible?
Organization: University of Oregon Computer and Information Sciences Dept.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:59:19 GMT

I'm new to hypercard and I'm sure this question has been posted to this
newsgroup more than once before, but I thought I'd ask.  

Anyway, can a button label have a newline in it?  
The label appears to be just a string of characters.
C conventions like '\n' or '\r' don't work.  

If the answer is no, then how to do you create a multi-line button?
Do you use a field and then edit the script and treat it like a 
button(a total hack :-))?  If this is the case, then is there any
EASY way to make it look like a button and invert itself when pressed?

Any <other> suggestions?

Thanks,
Max
maxn@cs.uoregon.edu 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: englhq@rosie.uh.edu (Franklet, Duane L.)
Subject: field delimeters
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:47:00 GMT

This may be a simple one. I hope so.

I'd like to use a different character (not the comma) as the delimeter
between items. What is the best way to do this?

Thank you

Duane Franklet
From: wall@cc.swarthmore.edu (Matthew Wall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Filling Irregular Regions from a Script
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:07:48 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Organization: Swarthmore College Computing

Howdy...

I want to write a script that will fill an irregular region with one of
four patterns - specifically, an outline of each of the 50 states.

I think I need something like this:

on <message>
 choose bucket
 if 
		pattern is <a>   -- set pattern depending on what prev pattern is
 then 
		set pattern to <x>
 else
  etc.
 click at <y>    -- fill region with new pattern
end <message>

Two questions:

1. I want the user to be able to choose one of four items from a pop-up
menu (one in each state of the union), which because of the small scale of
the Map, means the MouseLoc will as likely be OUT of the irregular polygon
region when the user selects the item. Hence, the message to use the bucket
to fill in a given region might incorrectly fill another region, i.e. the
one at the actual MouseLoc when the user releases the Pop-up menu.

Any bright ideas about how to get around it? I thought about changing the
interface, but it's really nice to be able to just click on the state to
change its value.

2. Am I really going to have to hard code the coordinates for all 50 states
(or points in the middle of 50 irregular polygons if you choose to
generalize the situation) or is there some semi-automatic way to get HC to
generate coordinate locations for me?

Maybe something like

on MouseUp
 ask "State?"
 put the MouseLoc && it into field "StateNamesAndLocs"
end MouseUp

that could be automatically executed somewhere?

thanks

- matt

"I don't think I want to live in a country where George Bush gets to go to
the all-star game and Cecil Fielder doesn't." - R Rappaport
From: dn5@apix.psu.edu (D. Jay Newman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Transparent color in pictures...
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:06:34 GMT
Organization: Penn State
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1

Hi:

A faculty member here wants to display color pictures on a card
with a transparent color, so that the card controls will show
through if they are under the transparent color.  He also would
like these controls (and I suppose any that are under the picture
but not under a transparent color) clickable.

The normal Picture XCMD doesn't do this.

Any suggestions would be wonder.  I will summarize for the net
if there are any answers.

()()()()()()()()()()()()() CBEL--Teaching & Learning Technologies ()()()
D. Jay Newman     !  Cautious, careful people always casting about to
dn5@psuvm.psu.edu !  preserve their reputation and social standing never
dn5@apix.psu.edu  !  can bring about a reform.  -- Susan B. Anthony
From: David_Greg_Herlihy@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Show/hide menubar
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 08:53:11 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Although you can use the command "show/hide menubar", HC will not
evaluate the visible state of the menubar.  I.e., "the visible of
the menubar" does not return true or false.  Does anyone know how
one could construct a button to toggle between showing and hiding
the menubar?  Thanks.
--David
From: mike@pyrite.SOM.CWRU.Edu (Michael Kerner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: writing to 1 file across appleshare
Date: 9 Oct 1992 15:07:41 GMT
Organization: WSOM CSG, CWRU, Cleve. OH
NNTP-Posting-Host: pyrite.som.cwru.edu
X-Post-Machine: pyrite.som.cwru.edu

The code for files is a bit more complex - but I'm not going to post
it.  If anybody wants to know how to do it, EMAIL me.

--
Mikey.
Mac Admin "Emeritus"-WSOM CSG - CWRU / 	Engineer-NewMedia Corp. Cleveland, OH
"I looked up the word 'Basketball Player' in the dictionary and you know what
it said?  NOT YOU." - Sydney, White Men Can't Jump
From: tal691@huxley.anu.edu.au (Tonio Loewald)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: What I think of HyperCard
Date: 15 Oct 92 06:48:41 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.2.12

The thing I really like about HyperCard is building self-modifying and
self-organising stacks of material. It's easy to create card files in
HyperCard, and it's easy to link them, but it's also easy to have
links create and update themselves, and let users add material and have
it merge seamlessly into the whole.

On the down side, it is hard/impossible to completely separate code from
data when you want to, and it's also hard to fix bugs. (I once built an
updater stack that would go through old versions of a stack and update
scripts and add buttons, but this is pretty icky.)

But I still want to have colour, object oriented graphics, more versatile
buttons, and better libraries of icons, etc. Visual Basic comes with
zillions of attractive colour icons. HyperCard comes with relatively
few, and many of them are ugly.

Tonio Loewald

-- 
Tonio Loewald            | Ph  06 290 1594 | PO Box 101 O'Connor
tal691@huxley.anu.edu.au | Fax 06 290 1595 | ACT 2601   AUSTRALIA
From: joesat@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Supercard
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:28:12 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


Does anyone know where
a discussion group whose interest is Supercard or 
an FTP site that has Supercard projects or utilities?
There are plenty of FTP sites and groups for Hypercard,
but I don't know of any one for Supercard.  I have
the original Supercard program that was given out to be
beta tested.  I have been wondering whether to actually 
get the latest version of Supercard or not.  It does not
seem that the product is likely to last for long, 
especially if Hypercard can now be made to create stand
alone application.

Joe
joe@martin.cm.utexas.edu

  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: dremsen@mbl.edu (David Remsen)
Subject: Can't open stack...
Organization: Marine Biological Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 12:35:57 GMT

An administrator here went to open her Addresses with Audio stack where she 
keeps her addresses and got the following message.

Can't open Addresess with Audio. Passwords don't match.

I have never seen this message before.  She insists that she never placed any
password protection on the file.  All the other stacks are accessed fine.

Any ideas!

Stumped, David Remsen
Marine Biological Laboratory
Woods Hole, MA
dremsen@mbl.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: news@email.tuwien.ac.at
Subject: Re: Speculation about Claris' new runtime HC
Reply-To: gollmann@edvz.tuwien.ac.at (Georg Gollmann)
Organization: Technical University of Vienna, Austria
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 08:48:21 GMT

In article <1b007kINNgr0@calvin.usc.edu> alves@calvin.usc.edu (William 
Alves) writes:
> and all the HyperCard code duplicated? Not having an equivalent of
> SuperCard's "projects," I wonder how HyperCard will handle these issues.
  ^^^^^^^^^
Thats the keyword !

I have been wondering that SuperCard hasnt been mentioned in the ongoing 
HC discussion at all.
Any speculations what the new HC policy will do for/to SC ???

Greetings,
Georg

-----


Dipl.Ing. Georg Gollmann           gollmann@edvz.tuwien.ac.at
TU-Wien, EDV-Zentrum               +43 (222) 58801/3611 (voice)
Gusshausstr. 25                    +43 (222) 505 68 49  (fax)
A-1040 Wien, Austria
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Subject: Re: quicktime movies on a hypercard
Organization: Massey University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 03:01:42 GMT

From article <7561@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, by cjk@cislabs.pitt.edu (Carl J Kuzmich):
> Hi All
> 
> Need some help.  What do I need to do to be able to "paste" quicktime movies
> directly onto a card? 
> 
> When pasting is complete I want the movie to look like it is ""laying" on the
> card, not in a window.....
> 
> Any and all help will be appreciated....    Thanks in advance.
> 
> -- 
> Carl Joel Kuzmich  (412) 624-1885     | Love is a better teacher than duty |
> University of Pittsburgh              |                - Albert Einstein   |
> 110 Old Engineering Hall 
> Pittsburgh, PA   15260	

You need the Pictoids Package if you want the movie to survive HC updating
the card image. If you're happy with the movie getting clobbered on screen
update you can use the Apple/Claris XCMD's (which write onto the card with
HC's knowledge, hence window updates clobber them). The Pictoid Package
is available on major archive sites, it seems it may have fallen off sumex
(not long till that bigger disc is up we hope :-)) so start looking on umich.

Hope this helps,
		Nigel
-- 
---
Dr Nigel Perry                    Email: N.Perry@massey.ac.nz
Department of Computer Science    Tel: +64 6 356 9099 ext 8900
Massey University                 Fax: +64 6 350 5611
Palmerston North
New Zealand
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: charless@sco.COM (AutoPope)
Subject: A job for HyperCard? (beginner's query)
Organization: The Somewhat Contagious Operation, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 14:13:13 GMT


Hi there. I've only just switched to Mac hardware, and although
I've sent off a voucher for a copy of HyperCard, it hasn't arrived
yet. Please bear with me ...

I have a proposed task, and I'm wondering if HyperCard is up to it.
Basically, I need to store a large number of inter-related short
text files.  (In a hypertext system, this should be no problem.)
I want to dynamically change the cross-links between them, so
that there is *one* traversal path through them (i.e.  a linear
chain).  ( may need to mess around a lot to get the precise
order sorted out, so I need to be able to relink nodes easily and
view a traversal diagram or similar map. Finally, I want to
import the whole lot into either Word 5 or FrameMaker,
_with_formatting_, for editing and printing (as a book).

Now I'm pretty sure HyperCard should be able to do everything ... 
except export a linear, formatted document. I've never even seen a copy
of HyperCard before, so I thought I should ask here first; will it
do what I want to do, or should I leave it in its wrapper and 
look somewhere else?

(Please limit responses to email.)

Thanks ...

-- 
Charlie Stross aka charless@scol.sco.com ..... UNIX oriented text mangler
WARNING: The opinions voiced in the preceding electronic document are the
product of a warped mind. Take two before meals. 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: kontio@niksula.hut.fi (Ari J Kontiainen)
Subject: Volume XCMD?
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: comp
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:34:28

Have someone done an XCMD, that can switch system beep volume? 

	Ari
--
   /  Ari Kontiainen                          /    "Joojoomies joojoomies
  /  Servin Maijan tie 12 B 18, 02150 Espoo  /     joojoomies joojoomies"
 /  puh 90 - 468 2165                       /  
/  e-mail ari.kontiainen@hut.fi            /          - Mikko Kuustonen -
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Using QTime in Hypercard
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 20:26:48 GMT
Organization: Massey University

From article <92Oct11.171848.22486@acs.ucalgary.ca>, by bilan@acs.ucalgary.ca (Bohdan Jens Bilan):
> I would like to use QT movies in a Hypercard in the following
> way.
> 
> 	on opencard
> 	<command>
> 	<command>
> 	QTime movie open/close
> 	<command>
> 	<command>
> 	QTime movie open/close
> 	<command>
> 	"
> 	"
> 	end opencard
> 
> In other words I want script to execute, a movie to run, script
> to execute, run a movie etc.
> 
> What happens is that the QT movie opens runs for a few seconds,
> stops, and the Hypercard script resumes, leaving the movie hung
> on the card.
> 
> Is there a way to run multiple movies while the script is being
> executed at the same time or in descending order?
> This is running on a Quadra 700.
> 
> Suggestions would be appreciated. 
> 
> Bohdan

I don't know about the Apple/Claris QT XCMD set, but this is fairly easy
with Pictoids. The Pictoid Package is available on sumex, umich etc. It
also provides more than the Apple/Claris set. Free to most academics, see
license in package.

Hope this helps.

		Nigel
(author, so I'm biased :-))
-- 
---
Dr Nigel Perry                    Email: N.Perry@massey.ac.nz
Department of Computer Science    Tel: +64 6 356 9099 ext 8900
Massey University                 Fax: +64 6 350 5611
Palmerston North
New Zealand
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard