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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Scotland Golfing
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 15:38:23 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: rec
Keywords: Need Info

In article <19815@drutx.ATT.COM> crb1@druwy.ATT.COM (BotnerCR) writes:

>I'll be in Scotland next month and plan to spend 3 days golfing.  Is
>there anything I should be aware of before I get out on the course (like,
>some things I should do or not do)?
>
>I do not want to be the "ugly, loud, etc." American.

This is not first-hand experience, but by all accounts the Scots play
the game *MUCH* faster than we do.  Some of the private clubs only
permit foursome [*] play on the weekends, and a three-hour round is
nothing to be proud of.  Be ready to hit and run, as it were.

[*] I used the true definition of foursome here, where two play 
against two, and each side plays one ball.
-- 
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From: us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi)
Subject: I putt where I aim but the ball doesn't drop 
Organization: 3M - St. Paul, MN  55144-1000 US
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 14:38:40 GMT

How many times do you putt the ball exactly where you were aiming only
to find that you read the break wrong.  

Stated another way:  Why should I miss any putts under 10 feet?  

How do people read green?  (I am aware of the effects of gravity, but
what about other affects on break?)


-- 
Steve Anastasi	
smanastasi@mmm.com
St. Paul, Minnesota
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 1 Sep 1992 10:09:35 EDT
From: Jim White <JWHITE@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Recommendations for golf club set
 <1992Sep1.012919.2859@u.washington.edu>

> From: yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
> Hello, I have reserved around $600 dollars for a set of golf clubs, minus
> putter (I love my current putter). I am an average player (around 50 on
> 9 holes, + or - 3) and have been using some old clubs of my uncles. However,
> the woods on these clubs are cracking and I anticipate them to snap off soon.
> The irons are ok, but some of them seem bent and are of wierd style compared
> to others I've seen. In any case, I would like to use my $600 on a good set.
> I, however, do not know which sets are the most recommended for average
> players (probably will get better too, I've only played 8 times).......
> Please, I'd love to hear recommendations.


Once again, I'm going to attempt to discourage an 'average' golfer from
uselessly spending piles of money on equipment.

I would strongly recommend that you limit your equipment investment to
some very reasonable amount, say $300-$350. You can but very decent equipment
for this price. Some examples.

- Used equipment. Check out your local Golf Course Pro shops. Some of them
  will have used equipment available. I'm currently playing with a used
  set of Wilson Staff Goosenecks that for which I payed under $300.00

- There are a variety of companies, (Golfworks, Golfsmith, Dynacraft, etc.)
  That will sell you, (either assembled clubs or components that you can
  assemble), Ping knockoffs that'll be perfectly adaquate to your game.

- Most retailers of golf equipment will sell some clubs that are somehwat
  less than 'pro line' and would be perfectly adaquate for an 'average' golfer.


After you have purchased your $300.00 golf clubs, take the remaining $300.00
you've set aside and invest it in yourself, by way of golf lessons. I'll
bet the farm that $300 spent on clubs + $300 spent on lessons, will yield
a better golfer than $600 spent on clubs + 0 spent on lessons.

Cheers,
Jim White


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From: donald@meaddata.com (Donald Parrish)
Subject: Re: 3 Club Tournament--Which Three?
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:10:17 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep1.123004.3293@b11.b11.ingr.com>, cottle@b11.b11.ingr.com (Tim Cottle) writes:
|> Our company league is sponsoring a 3 club tournament in a couple of weeks.
|> Having never played in such a thing, I'm wondering--"Which three clubs
|> should I take?".  I don't know anything about the course, having never played
|> it before, and your putter does count as one of the clubs.  The only thing
|> I have decided is that the longest club I should take is a 3 wood.
|> 
|> The kind assistance from those who have played this type of format will be
|> appreciated.  
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|>  --
|> 
|>  |  Timothy A. Cottle                  |                                    |
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|> 
|> 

I played in a tournament like this once. They're really fun. I think
I ended up taking a 3 wood, 7 iron and putter. One thing you might
want to try is take your driver instead, if you hit it pretty good.
It can double as a putter. If you use the driver method also try
a 4 or 5 iron and an 8 or 9 iron (for chipping).

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From: jimv@dadd.ti.com (Jim Vahsen,VAHZ,)
Subject: Re: Divots.....
Reply-To: jimv@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:08:12 GMT

In article mzimmers@netcom.com, mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>The most important thing about a divot is:  correctly replacing it!
>Retrieve as many pieces as possible, quickly fit them to their original
>position, and press hard.  They should grow back, but even if they don't,
>their replacement will prevent a ball from coming to rest in the hole.

This may not be recommended, depending on the area.  MOST places, yes.  When
I lived in Florida, the land of sunshine and near-deads, it was a bad thing
to replace one's divot's.   They give you a bucket of green sand to fill in 
the divots with (sand/grass food).  They would get all bent-outta-shape if
you either replaced a divot, or didn't fill one in with the magic sand...
In fact, at one of the courses I frequent here in Dallas, they have buckets 
sand at the t-boxes of the par-3's.  No magic green stuff, just plain white.
But then, MOST people tee the ball up a bit, so the divot may be more of a
"tear" than a sod chunk.

Also saw a kewl bumpersticker the other day:

"Work is for people who don't know how to play Golf!" 
 
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From: lekberg@screwdriver.Prime.COM (Paul Lekberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Practice Swings (wAS : re: Divots.....)
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:35:45 GMT
Reply-To: lekberg@screwdriver.Prime.COM (Paul Lekberg)
Organization: Prime Computer R&D

|> 
|> It is all personal preference, what makes you comfortable on the course, and
|> hey if you want to take 5 practice swings, go for it, who cares.  Relax.
|> 
|> -- 

  I'm not against taking a practice swing or two but taking more 
than two will invite slow play.   There is nothing more aggrevating
than watching someone take 2,3,or 4 practice swings and then proceed
to hit it sideways or just beyond their shadow.   If you are not
a good player, don't waste your time and others (especially those
behind you) by taking all those practice swings.  "Grip it and
rip it".

Paul
From: David.Moore@tdkt.kksys.com (David Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Losing Clubheads
Date: 30 Aug 92 05:53:00 GMT

For all you club building folks out there who say to just abrade the
shaft tips and don't crimp them---have you  checked  your  insurance
lately?

I was on the driving range today and the guy hitting next to me  had
a  set  of  "Tour  Model  IIs" which are popular component clubs.  I
suddenly saw a glint of steel out of the corner of my  eye  just  in
time  to  see  a  clubhead flying about 50 yards out into the range.
The guy ran out to get the clubhead and brought it back.  Since I've
made  many  clubs  myself,  I asked if I could look at the offending
club shaft (now headless).  Sure enough, someone had built the  club
with  just the tip sanded and NO CRIMPING.  There was adequate epoxy
on the tip.

OK,  the  epoxy  mix  could have been bad, but---I always make three
"dimples" in the shaft tip plus sanding before I put any club I make
together.   It  takes  a bit of twisting and a tap on the end of the
shaft (opposite from the clubhead) on concrete to make sure  a  firm
epoxy and mechanical bond is there when you dimple the shaft.

I  don't even want to think about what a high speed club head flying
through the air could do to someone.
                                   o o o o
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From: maceache@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Tim Maceachern)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Fixing Ballmarks (was: Divots...)
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:31:37 GMT
Organization: NSTN Network Operations Centre, Nova Scotia, Canada

jimv@dadd.ti.com (Jim Vahsen,VAHZ,) writes:


>...  I digress.  It would be preferable
>if you could spend  $0.50 on a divot fixer, as the circumference is much less
>than a tee, and 2 points are better than one.  Now if I could figure out a way 
>to not lose the damn divot tool, so that the $0.50 doesn't turn into $10/yr....

I know this is not the most important thing you've ever read on r.s.g, but...
I like to carry two (2) ball mark fixers in my pocket, because I have a devil
of a time finding one if I only have one.  Also, 3 or 4 markers...

Back to your regular programming

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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 25 Aug 1992 17:10:33 EDT
From: <RPT378@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Putter grips

Don't have my rule book in front of me now, but I think that it allows one
side of the grip to be flat, as long and the rest of it is relatively round
and smooth.  I wondered about that too, since I putt with a flat-sided grip.
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 1 Sep 1992 17:01:58 EDT
From: <RPT378@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Avoiding big hooks on low loft clubs?

Warren somtimes sends off big hooks with long clubs....may be that you are turn
ing over your hands too early; may be that you play the ball a bit too far back
in your stance with the longer clubs.  I assume you don't strengthen your grip
with the long clubs.  Path of the swing might be more from inside out with the
long clubs.....I'm out of ideas.  Larry Z  :)
From: mlogan@thurman.prime.com (Max Logan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Santa Clara and Monterey
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:48:46 GMT
Reply-To: mlogan@thurman.prime.com (Max Logan)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Prime Computervision, Bedford MA

I'm posting this for a friend.  Please respond to him via email at
	miker@connection.prospect.com

I have just learned that I'll be in California for 5 or 6 days around
Labor Day, so I need to get some course recommendations.  I need to
cover 2 areas:

Santa Clara: I should have 2 or three days available in this area. I'd
like to find courses within a 1 hour drive of Santa Clara.

Monterey: I'm planning to spend Labor Day weekend in Monterey, and I'd
like to get in two rounds. Of course I've heard of Pebble Beach and Spy
Glass, and my map shows three or four other courses in the area. Is it
too late to get tee times for these courses (do they book months in
advance)? 

Any course recommendations (good or bad!) will be welcome. Ideally, I'd 
like to know distance, USGA rating, slope, cost, and tee time policy. Since
I don't figure I'll have many opportunities to golf in this part of the
world, I'd like to stick to nice courses (challenging and excellent
condition), and I'd like to avoid mandatory carts, if possible. And 
a daily rate as opposed to an 18 hole greens fee would be nice too
(might as well play 27!).

Finally, if anyone knows of good golf package deals around Monterey,
(lodging and golf, etc), please let me know. 

					Mike
					miker@connection.prospect.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: russb@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (russell.e.brodfuhrer)
Subject: Re: Rules
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:52:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.190330.1231@zia.aoc.nrao.edu>, pgreen@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Philip Green) writes:
> Where can one obtain a copy of the Rules?
> 
> Thanks
> -- 
> Phil Green                           	pgreen@aoc.nrao.edu
> NRAO					505.835.7294

Your course or local golf shop may sell them,
or you can order them directly from the USGA:

United States Golf Association
Golf House - P.O. Box 2000
Far Hills   NJ  07931
(908) 234-2300
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: sheldon@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Roger Sheldon - AISS)
Subject: Anyone have handicapping equations?
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 13:53:55 GMT

Does anyone have the information for computing a handicap that
they could email to me?  I guess I want the USGA handicapping system; I
presume that's the standard.

Thanks in advance,

Roger
From: lhuber@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Lee Huber)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Graphite Shaft, -Nitro- flex from Graflex
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:53:58 GMT
Followup-To: lhuber@ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Originator: lhuber@troon.ncsa.uiuc.edu


Nitro flex

There have been some ads out recently saying that the "Nitro"-flex is an
ideal shaft for anyone with a smooth swing including one of the national
long drive contest winners.  It sounds like it about like an R or maybe
a soft S flex with low torque number (2.2 degrees).  I am thinking about
building a Big Bertha look-a-like with this shaft.

Does anyone out there have experience with this shaft? Recommendations?

I am tall and swing ~100 mph with a smooth backswing and relatively slow 
tempo.

Lee Huber
Dow Chemical Company/NCSA
lhuber@ncsa.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: ethan@earl.scd.ucar.edu (Ethan Alpert)
Subject: Re: BUG!! in handicap scripts that were posted
Followup-To: rec.sport.golf 
Summary: Third try
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:52:42 GMT

Well in the interest of not introducing new bugs when fixing an old bug
try this INSTEAD of my previous suggested fixes:
         ^^^^^^^

In handi.pl on line 60 there is the following if statement. 

Change from:
if ($num_scores >= 20) {
    $num_best = 10;
}

To:

if ($num_scores >= 20) {
    $num_best = 10;
    $num_scores = 20;
}

In handi.awk on line 32 change the following from:
        if ( num_scores >= 20 ) { num_best = 10 }

To:
        if ( num_scores >= 20 ) { 
				num_best = 10 
				num_scores = 20
	}


Do not change the upper bound on the bubble sort loops. This should be
all thats needed.

-ethan
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson)
Subject: Re: Slow Play  was:: Divots.....
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:33:46 GMT

In article <JEFFK.92Aug28155533@dosXX.med.utah.edu> jeffk@dosXX.med.utah.edu (Jeff Knell) writes:
...
>
>This 'test of character' we call golf has certainly 
>taken on some new dimensions. 
>
>Be careful out there. 1/2 ;-)
>
>
>jeff       Would a rifle count as one of my 14 clubs?
>
>feitctaj

Sure, but make sure you hit the ball with the pointy end.

8-)

Mike N
From: David.Moore@tdkt.kksys.com (David Moore)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
From: martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera)
Subject: Re: Slow Play  was: : Divots.....
Organization: UCSD - Scripps Inst. of Oceanogr. - MPL
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:53:51 GMT

In article <BtuopJ.A3z@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> dil@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Perry G Ramsey) writes:
>>jeff       Would a rifle count as one of my 14 clubs?
>
>So long as the grip meets USGA specifications.  You can also use it to
>measure for taking relief, so get a long one.  I carry an 8 mm Mauser,
>made in Danzig 1892.  It's longer than my driver, so it's gotten me out of
>a pile of tough situations.  Be sure to install the bayonet BEFORE going
>out on the course.  You wouldn't want to get penalized for modifying a
>club during play.

Funny. I used to carry the 1893 model. A bit more advanced: square spiral 
grooves (spacing conforming with USGA standards), graphite butt, X-stiff
barrel, balata trigger (more feel). I used to carry a scope, but the USGA
doesn't like players carrying artificial devices to measure distances/aiming.
I think you may use the scope BEFORE the shot, but the scope must be removed
as you take your stance.

:-) OK, it's Monday. Bear with me.

Martin
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From: joeg@meaddata.com (Joe Gayda)
Subject: Score Card with a Par of 74
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:03:23 GMT
Distribution: na

I am in need of a score card for a course that has a par of 74.  If
someone on the net can provide me with one, I would be very thankful.
Please E-mail me if you can assist me with this request.  Thank-you.

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Mead Data Central   | someone watching you     |     
P.O. Box 933        | is proportional to the   |       joeg@meaddata.com
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From: ian@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Ian Watson)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:05:26 GMT
Subject: Re: Game summary sheet
Organization: Hewlett-Packard ISG-SBU-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf


More importantly than editing to suit your club set, if you only want to cast a
glance over it for review, you may want to edit it to give somewhat fewer than
the 40 copies it spews out ...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ian Watson, HP Pinewood Information Systems Division, England.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: warren@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (warren.a.montgomery)
Subject: Avoiding big hooks on low loft clubs?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:57:59 GMT
Keywords: driver, 2-iron, hook

I generally hit straight or with a slight fade, but I sometimes
get a big left turn with a loft club (driver or 2-iron), usually
when there is trouble to be had on the left.  I'm not talking
about a pulled shot or a slight draw, but something that looks
like it would bend around and come back at me if it didn't usually
hit a tree or a house first.  It never seems to happen with any
other clubs, and it's clearly some kind of mental mistake that
gives me that kind of line, Any suggestions on avoiding boomerang
hooks? 

-- 

	Warren Montgomery
	att!iexist!warren
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: lekberg@screwdriver.Prime.COM (Paul Lekberg)
Subject: Re: handicaps
Keywords: In article <15272@suns9.crosfield.co.uk>, rcw@crosfield.co.uk (bob wilson) writes:
Reply-To: lekberg@screwdriver.Prime.COM (Paul Lekberg)
Organization: Prime Computer R&D
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:25:30 GMT

|> 
|> |> 	So enough ranting. What percentage of the time do you think
|> you should play to your handicap? and how do you think it should be
|> calculated (slope stuff accepted and excepted).
|> 
|> 
From a previous posting on calculating handicaps I'll quote
since I don't have the author's name,

"As already noted in a previous posting, you will only shoot
your handicap 25-30% of the time, since you take the best 10
out of your last 20 rounds, and then divide by a number
greater than 10."

-Paul
From: crb1@druwy.ATT.COM (BotnerCR)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Scotland Golfing
Keywords: Need Info
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:18:10 GMT
Distribution: rec


I'll be in Scotland next month and plan to spend 3 days golfing.  Is
there anything I should be aware of before I get out on the course (like,
some things I should do or not do)?

I do not want to be the "ugly, loud, etc." American.

Thanks,
Claudia Botner     ...att!druwy!crb
From: dil@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Perry G Ramsey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Losing Clubheads
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:53:54 GMT
Organization: Purdue University, Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences

In article <715147031.F00001@tdkt.kksys.com> David.Moore@tdkt.kksys.com (David Moore) writes:
>For all you club building folks out there who say to just abrade the
>shaft tips and don't crimp them---have you  checked  your  insurance
>lately?
...
>OK,  the  epoxy  mix  could have been bad, but---I always make three
>"dimples" in the shaft tip plus sanding before I put any club I make
>together.   It  takes  a bit of twisting and a tap on the end of the
>shaft (opposite from the clubhead) on concrete to make sure  a  firm
>epoxy and mechanical bond is there when you dimple the shaft.

What's the preferred technique for dimpling shafts?  When I assembled the
one club I've built, dimpling knocked the shaft out of round so that it no
longer slid into the hosel.  It took two hours of sanding to knock off the
high spots enough to get it in.

Question 2:  When abrading the shaft, are you trying to remove all the
chrome, or just rough it up a bit.  What grade of sandpaper is preferred?
-- 
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dil@mace.cc.purdue.edu  Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN USA
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