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From: jchang@unixg.ubc.ca (Jonathan Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: environment in Taiwan
Date: 7 Nov 1992 12:54:10 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca
Keywords: 
	
	The resignation of the head of environmental protection agency
	shows that it is not easy to reinforce regulations on Taiwanese
	industries as  you would make a lot of enemies just like Tsau4
	Sau4 Kung1 might have.  He quit partially , I surmise , because
	he must have felt the difficulties in the future of environmental
	protection in Taiwan.  I just reciently read an article in the Chinese
	newspaper World Jounal that says the EPA of Taiwan will loosen a bit
	on the effluent discharge criteria for the polluters. This is sad.
	Those of you who have lived in Taiwan know how bad the air is and how
	dirty the water is already.  Are Taiwanese used to pollution ???
	Of course not. There has been some public outcry over past but why
	I perceive more words than actions from the gov't. Are we just 
	getting lip-service from  the f**king gov't ?  The head of EPA in
	Taiwan thinks he can get more action from being a legislator which
	is more politically fulfilling for him ? I love Taiwan and its people.
	But Taiwan is sick now.  It is overloaded with all kinds of diseases.
	Everytime I returned home (Taiwan), I must admit I always felt ashamed
	of myself being in sort of dirty country. The rivers and lakes are dying	. People don't care that much as long as their house is clean ?!
	Japan is way ahead  of us in Environmental Protection so is Canada.
	I am very disappointed that Tsau4 quit the post. Damn it !
		- It's a dirty job but somebody gotta do it _

	jchang@unixg.ubc.ca
	Jonathan Chang  Bio-resource engineering 
	**  The above is just my own opinions  ***
From: hongzen@coombs.anu.edu.au (Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: HELP! SMALL BUSINESSMAN.
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:03:40 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.2
Summary: I need help.
Keywords: TAIWAN

I am doing my Phd thesis in sociology department in Australia. The topic I am
doing is "the development of small businessman in Taiwan". Next year I will go
back to Taiwan to do fieldwork. I would like to interview some small businessman in order to unravel the secret of the ecomonic development in Taiwan. I believe that the hard-working labors and businessmen are the forces that bring Taiwan's success instead of the so-called BIG GOVERNMENT or the theory of GOVERNED 
 MARKET, let alone NEOCLASSICAL ECONOMICS.

On the one hand, a lot of Western scholars believed that Taiwan government has  relative autonomy to implement her polices without the interferences of businessman. It means that the polices were always CORRECT  and popular among business- man. On the other hand, we can hear the complains from businessman who says:
The government always regulates the affairs which sould not be regulated and    never regulates the affairs which should be regulated. Why is there such a great cognitive discrepency between businessman and Western scholars? 
This is question 1.

Most Taiwan enterprises are small and medium size. They specialize in export    manufacturing. Everybody knows that export is the main factor to make Taiwan    economy booming is her export-led economy. It means that small and medium       business contributed to Taiwan economy. Until now we still don't know how does  the small and medium enterprises accumulate their capital and wealth?
This is question 2.

There are a lot of different puzzles in Taiwan economic development.
  	That is why I want to study this topic.

If there is any one whose parent(s) is(are) small businessman and engage in     manufacturing, I would like to make a interview with them. If you interest in   this topic and your parents are willing to be interviewed by me,please leave me a message. I will contact you or your parents as soon as possible.

My e-mail address is:
		hongzen@coombs.anu.edu.au
   

My name is 		_______      ___-___        /
			___|___     /___/__ /     /
			___|___       / /_\         |  --
						    |  --
            		wang2	    hong2	   ren2
                             

It would be nice to get any reply from you.
good luck!
.
.
From: yang@dante.cs.uiuc.edu (Der-Shung Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Reduldant and stupid obligatory military service
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:23:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: m.1992Nov9.172319.16335
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING) writes:

>In article <1992Nov8.132210.20093@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kao@cae.wisc.edu (Chengheng Kao) writes:
>>
>>army was an offensive force and the ROC is a offensive force. In my opion, the
>                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>     ROC is an offensive force?  That is the first time that I have heard of
>it.  I do not know that we have the ability to "retake" Mainland China.

The context following that sentence suggested it was merely a typo, a serious 
one though.  It was said later in that message that the difference between 
PRC (if I remembered correcly) and ROC armies is that one is offensive and 
the other is defensive.  I guess we should write carefully and also read 
carefully.

--
DerShung Yang    
yang@cs.uiuc.edu 
Beckman Institute
Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ying@jagger.Berkeley.EDU (Ying Hui)
Subject: test (sorry)
Reply-To: ying@jagger.Berkeley.EDU (Ying Hui)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ucb
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:17:44 GMT


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: cteng@teng.webo.dg.com (Cho-Li Teng)
Subject: Re: "Do you mind if she's a virgin or not?"
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 19:46:28 GMT
Reply-To: cteng@teng.webo.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., NSDD

In article <1992Nov10.073449.7200@netcom.com>, ying@netcom.com (Ying J. Chen) writes:
[]In article <1992Nov10.014449.26417@cs.cornell.edu> wbchen@cs.cornell.edu (Wang-Bor Chen) writes:
[]>
[]>               +---+      +--+
[]> Men always    |   |      |--|
[]>               +---+      +--+         / |
[]>                         ---+---      /  \  0  | 0     _|  |_
[]>                         /  |__      /    \____|       _|  |_
[]>                        / \ |                          _|  |_
[]>                       /   \____                        |  |
[]>
[]>
[]>
[]>         WB,Chen
[]>         -------
[]
[]Well, That's not always true. I do believe that true love exists...
[]Loving a person is to love every aspect of the person: including
[]his/her talents and shortcomings...
[]So I if I really like the girl, I wouldn't mind if she is a virgin or not..

To love a person with ones TRUE LOVE, be a couple or not, personally,
I agree totally with you.

To find a TRUE LOVE of ones,  one has to be very lucky and wise.
To live with ones TRUE LOVE,  together or not, one has to be strong 
to enjoy the sweetness and the bitterness, and write out the richness
of ones life.

The reality is To Treasure What You Have NOW, in every minute of
your life.  Looking FORWARD, DO NOT examine the past.   Virgin or not
physically on both parties should not be an issue, if ones love each
other.

Just my own thought and belief from years serching and defining the 
view of LOVE LIFE Belief of my own.

Best Wishes to you all.


ct

 


[]
[]Of course, it is possible that my "somewhat naive idea" might change
[]when that situation happens to me.. You can never tell how a person
[]might change along with life.. 
[](Sometimes people lie without knowing the fact that they are lying...)
[]
[]-Ying
[]yjchen@ocf.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: tchuang@cello.ecn.purdue.edu (Tim D. Chuang)
Subject: Re: Taiwan News (late)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:44:18 GMT

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
|	INVESTIGATION BUREAU ADMITS SPYING ON CHEN IN AMERICA		|
|	PROFESSOR HO SHOCKED BY IB OPERATIONS ON US CAMPUSES		|
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

	<Taipei; By Reporter Tseng-chih Chen>	Professor Ho Teh-fen of
National Taiwan University, concurrent president of Higher Education Reform
Association, paid a visit to Tu-chen Detention Center on May 10, 1991 to
see Mr. Cheng-jan Chen and the other three persons accused by the 
Investigation Bureau of sedition.  She severely criticized the ruling party
(KMT) for its wanton accusation of such a serious crime.  She also criticized
the Investigation Bureau for its callous admission of the agency's spying
on Mr. Chen when he was studying in the United States.  She stressed that
should this spying activity prove to be true, the United States of America
ought to re-examine its acquiescence of allowing the Kuomintang (KMT) to
invade its campuses and jeopardize the academic freedom in American
universities.

	The Higher Education Reform Association has as its goal the promotion
of academic freedom and independence.  Because the nature of the present
alleged sedition case seriously ingringed upon the principle of academic
freedom, president Teh-fen Ho and the Association's director of the board
decided to pay a visit to Mr. Chen and the three others incarcerated in the
Tu-cheng detention center.

	Professor Ho indicated that she was shocked by the Investigation
Bureau's public admission of the agency's long-term spying on Mr. Chen and
its eavesdropping on his telephone conversatiions when Mr. Chen was studying
in the United States at the University of California at Los Angles.  The
Bureau's secret operations might have gone unnoticed had it kept its mouth
shut.  But she was shocked by the Bureau's admission of such spying
activities, especially on American campuses.

<Source: Independence Weekly, Taipei, No. 102 May 17, 1991>
	Translated by Winston Dang
============================================================================
This is the 1990's.

Tim Chuang
--
 T.aiwanese I.ndependence M.ovement  --| |--     --- \   /     /  ---                                                            | |--/---    /|  | | 
 "Proud to be Taiwanese American"    |_| -+-     |-|-/--\-    -+- ---
	T.I.M. Ding Chuang           __|  |      |-|  |+_     /|\  +
 e-mail:tchuang@cello.ecn.purdue.edu / | _|_     | | +++|      |  _|_  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: pchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pei-Yuan Chang)
Subject: (1). He's a virgin?  (2). Big Breast?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:27:56 GMT

OK, that's our women's turn now.  Once a girl told me that she won't marry a
virgin because "I am a virgin, so if I marry a guy who is also a virgin, oh,
god, how will it be?  There should be someone who know how to do it, right?"
Oh, well, how do you girls think of it?

"Well, but you can't check, honey." I said.  "Ya, that's the most unfair part
of it while men 'can check' us.  They even can measure the size of our breast
by eyes!"  she said reluctantly.  Ok, so the new question pops out: do you men
like to marry a big-breast women?

I wanna tell you my opinion, but please, don't attack me :)
--Yes, men like big-breast women because they have Oedipus complex.

--Christine
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ptyshih@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Paul T.Y. Shih(Taku))
Subject: Re: "Do you mind if she's a virgin or not?"
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:21:38 GMT

In article <BxILLK.Kty@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> u235@rex.chb.uokhsc.edu (Yung-Jin Lee) writes:
>In article <BxHGM5.Guv@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> ptyshih@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Paul T.Y. Shih(Taku)) writes:
>>
>>	Can't agree more. Actually if a girl from Taipei remains virgin
>>	after she reach 25, either she's from a very conservative family,
>>	or she has some personality problems, or she has some personal
>>	probelms. Same for men. And I think that is too unhealthy.
>>
>>
>>	Paul
>>
>	Virgin or not is nothing to do with conservative family
>	or personality problem. 

	Really? I think you are either being naive or lying.
 
>	A virgin should be proud of
>	herself. 

	For what reason? Being unhealthy? Being a virgin has nothing
	to lose, but there's nothing to be proud of too.
 
>	If what paul said is true, what about the nuns of
>	Catholic? 

	They do have personal problem, they personally think that they
	married to god already.
 
>	Do they all have personality problem?  I strongly
>	believe Paul has serious personality problems.   Yung-jin

	Maybe I have, but I think according to what you said, your
	problem is more severe than mine. :):):)


	Paul

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby)
Subject: Re: Taiwan News (late)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:08:48 GMT

nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

>In article <9231412.15811@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:

>>It's interesting that Tim Chuang (the American) didn't actually answer
>>the question.  :-)
>>
>>All he said was "My uncle is a resident of Tainan, Taiwan".  My goodness,
>>lots of "guei lo" are residents of Taiwan, too.  :)
>	  ^^^^^^^

>Please, no racist epithets; we the Chinese people have been the target of many
>racist epithets; please do not perpetrate this by using them against others.

Do you know what you are talking about?

When is last time you went to HongKong?  The term used to be a racist term
describing "white" people, but it has since become an "acceptable" and
"politically correct" term for describing "white" people.  Europeans in Hong
Kong refer to themselves as "guei lo", the term is no longer a racist term.
To your surprise, I was talking to an European working in Taiwan, and
the very first time I met him, he called himself "guei lo".

When's last time you went back to East Asia?  Too long ago????

And I'm not a racist person, as Australia is the most racist country in
the world, and I know how it feels.

-- 
1)-----------------------Rev 6:8 "... They were given authority over a quarter
of the Earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and wild beasts."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: chyang@australorp.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: KMT campus spying activities in the U.S.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 17:58:08 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: chyang@australorp.engin.umich.edu


In article <4341@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>, fapa@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Feng-yang Kuo) writes:
> Tim,
> There are many KMT brain washed chinese around. They really don't belong to
> the island of Taiwan. Progress doesn't come free. I admire your uncle for 
> what he have done for the beloved island. Many taiwanese people will remember
> this even hundred years after.

	"KMT brain washed Chinese?"  I don't know If I am one of them or not.
All I know is that we are trying to improve our society with the installation
of democracy while other people are trying to take it away with violence.  

	Why doesn't Tim's uncle go thru the proper channels, perhaps talk to
the DDP officials in the City of Tainan concerning this incident so that 
this incident can be brought up in the city hall.  Why must violence be
commited?  Doesn't Tim's uncle care about democracy.  Don't they respect the
DDP congressional representatives?  Don't they respect public safety?  
Don't they care about the rest of Taiwanese people, "brain washed or not 
brain washed by the KMT?"

	I doubt this action is heroic.  It seem to have defeated the purpose
that they attempted to achieve in the first place.  

	BTW, I don't want anyone, as a result of their self-serving ideals,
put the lives of the common citizens in danger in our beloved Taiwan. 

- C. H. Yang
From: helena@ra.cs.umb.edu (Helena S.Y. Shih)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: "Do you mind if she's a virgin or not?"
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:16:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Nov11.161659.25169
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston, Dept of Math and CS

In article <1992Nov10.175514.4417@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.162427.22285@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pei-Yuan Chang) writes:
>>Ya!  You are absolutely right!
>>
>>Besides, to the one relating lovemaking and AIDS: dear, don't you wear a
>>condom?  Please don't be so stupid, ok?
>
>Christine, it is pretty hard to have children (which many couples do want,
>ya know) when the man is wearing a condom...

I feel things are getting out of control here.  The subject is pretty
personal and having prenuptial sex or not really depends on
individual.  What we are talking about here is the most intimate part
of a relationship so personally I would consider this kind of
attacking note is better to be expressed through email.  

This is a place for free speech but I would really enjoy it if less
firing is involved.
From: chu@church.cs.unc.edu (Heng Chu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Spying and etc.
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:11:03 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

I tend to look at spying at a different angle. The real culprit is the
inadequate laws that punish people based on the spying. One example is
the 'preparing for sedition'. The black list is also the result of
such you-should-say-nothing-bad laws. Without those ridiculous laws
backing up the spying, I doubt what would really happen to those being
spied (except for being politically identified).
From: lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu (david lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: parents reaction to dating americans
Date: 4 Nov 92 23:52:37 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

In article <92Nov03.002432.22607@acs.ucalgary.ca> bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens) writes:
>In article <gaojeng.720575285@durras> gaojeng@durras.anu.edu.au (J. Gao) writes:
>
>And on a side issue: when I lived in the U.S., my (subjective, non-
>scientific) perception was that couples Caucasian male+Asian female
>seemed to outnumber the reverse combination in a ratio of 10:1 or
>more; however here in Canada, I get the impression that the ratio
>is much more balanced (but probably not quite 1:1, though.)

Really?  I guess that I'll be moving up to Canada, then. :)

But then again, I think I want to marry Chinese, so I guss
I'll stay. :)

Seriously, though.  There are a lot of theories as to why
there are more CM/AF couples than AF/CF couples.  It's a
subject that has already been beaten to death in
soc.culturea.asian-americans.  My personal opinion is that
it's more a consequence of stereotyping than any real
prejudice.  Asians are generally typecast as submissive, a
trait that is desirable in a woman but not in a man.
Therefore, Caucasians males seek out Asian females, while
Caucasian females don't seek out Asian males.

Canadians are probably less conditioned to this particular
stereotype than Americans are, given the history of Asian
Americans in the US (the Chinese building railroads, the
Japanese in interm camps, etc.).  What's the history of
Asian Americans in Canada, anyway?

Going back to the original question, I think that a lot of
the more traditional Chinese parents (such as mine :-( )
are brought up in the era where they still believe that
the Chinese people are somehow genetically superior than any
other race on this Earth (and many people *still* think that
way!!!).  Therefore, they're afraid that their offsprings
will be "polluted" by the inferior Western genes.  The fear
is, of course, unfounded.  But it is very real.  However,
due to the favoritism toward sons over daughters, and how
sons are supposed to pass on the family blood line, I think
that sons tend to get pressure from their parents not to
date Americans more than daughters do.  So the original
poster's friend should be glad that he's male and dating
a Chinese girl, and not a female dating a Chinese guy. :)

			- David

-- 
---==lulu@ucrengr==---  just another overworked graduate student.
David T Lu, Amateur Thinker: lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu, {ucsd, uci}!ucrengr!lulu
"I seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle."
					- Arthur Dent, Hitchhiker's
From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Taiwan News (late)
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:56:48 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.

In article <1992Nov5.032901.8887@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> tchuang@cello.ecn.purdue.edu (Tim D. Chuang) writes:

>Sure this is an old case in the 1980's, but martial law was not lifted until
>1987 and if your campus has a Friends of Free China club, than you can be
>sure that you will see those individuals on the KMT pay roll.

Logically this does not follow.  (And no, I have never realized that there
are any KMT agents on Stanford Campus; maybe I am too naive, but I don't
think so.)  If you think that this old case, if true, is still relevant, then
imagine a case, from 1982, of a Russian student put under surveillance by
the Soviet Union.  Can you say:

Sure this is an old case in the 1980's, but the communist party ruled until
1991 and if your campus has a Russian Students Association, then you can
be sure that you will see those individuals on the KGB pay roll.

I don't think so.  The world has changed.

Besides, I don't think the Stanford Independent was a particularly credible
publication anyway.
From: ifat555@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Ray Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Taiwan News (late)
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:25:15 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

In article <1d764jINNak5@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> tseng-neill@yale.edu (Neill Tseng) writes:
>	And in response to your last sentence, I ask you, "What information
>	has Tim not given us?"  Not only that, but what personal information
>	do you have to give us in opposition?  If you don't know anything
>	about the subject, then don't say that Tim is wrong!  Don't always
>	suppose that the KMT is right!  
>
>
>Proud to be a Taiwanese-American!

  Don't always suppose that the Anti-KMTers is right, too! Weak voice is 
not necessary to be the right voice! From my point of view, the whole
demonstration is simply a waste of time. There is no winner out there.

Ray Huang  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ying@netcom.com (Ying J. Chen)
Subject: Re: "Do you mind if she's a virgin or not?"
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:34:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.014449.26417@cs.cornell.edu> wbchen@cs.cornell.edu (Wang-Bor Chen) writes:
>
>               +---+      +--+
> Men always    |   |      |--|
>               +---+      +--+         / |
>                         ---+---      /  \  0  | 0     _|  |_
>                         /  |__      /    \____|       _|  |_
>                        / \ |                          _|  |_
>                       /   \____                        |  |
>
>
>
>         WB,Chen
>         -------

Well, That's not always true. I do believe that true love exists...
Loving a person is to love every aspect of the person: including
his/her talents and shortcomings...
So I if I really like the girl, I wouldn't mind if she is a virgin or not..

Of course, it is possible that my "somewhat naive idea" might change
when that situation happens to me.. You can never tell how a person
might change along with life.. 
(Sometimes people lie without knowing the fact that they are lying...)

-Ying
yjchen@ocf.berkeley.edu
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