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From: betel@camelot.bradley.edu (Robert Crawford)
Subject: Re: Accents (was Re: COVINGTON CROSS)
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:09:43 GMT

Bill Thomas <bt16+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Which brings us back to Robin Hood and Kevin Costner. In most Robin Hood
>legends, Robin is a member of the pre-William nobility (so his father
>would not have had a castle, by the way -- a Norman "innovation"), who
>became a sort of anti-Norman guerrilla. This explains why the "steal
>from the rich, give to the poor" idea caught on. Anyway, Robin would
>have spoken some form of early English, but it would have been
>unintelligible to us. So, Costner's accent was as historically accurate
>as anyone's in the film -- which is to say, NO ONE's accent was even
>close to being right. Actually, the single most inaccurate accent in the
>film was that of Alan Rickman. NO WAY would the Sheriff of Nottingham
>have spoken anything other than French. Of course, Rickman is generally
>credited as the only one who spoke with a correct accent. Hooray for
>Hollywood! 

	At the time that Robin Hood:POT came out, I was dating an
English major who had spent some extra time concentrating on Old
English. She and I came up with the same conclusion: the only reason
people had to complain is that there weren't more French accents.
	Of course, try explaining to 99% of the population why Robin
Hood sounded like he was Appalachia and the other nobles sounded like
they just came over from France...

--
This was no Southfork, it was no Ponderosa,
But it was the place that I called home.
		- "Farm on the Freeway", Jethro Tull

Robert Crawford				betel@camelot.bradley.edu
From: SHICOFF@unc.oit.unc.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: "Not Quite Period" tape
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:53:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet

The "Not Quite Period" tape is $10.  That includes
shipping, where applicable.  Send to:
Neal Townley
A.S.U. Box 11758
Boone, NC  28608
We think you will enjoy!
Julitta
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From: cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Charles)
Subject: Re: Accents (was Re: COVINGTON CROSS)
Organization: Vanderbilt University student of numerology
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 23:38:07 GMT

To all upon the Rialto doth Charles the clerk send his greetings!

Corun MacAnndra writeth:
> Finally, I challenge all those who have been detracting Costner or the
> TV show Covington Cross with developing a dialect fitting your chosen
> persona. Naturally I won't expect you to learn the languages, but I will

There is a noble man from some eastern land, perhaps Persia, whose accent
marks him as such.  I have heard him speak often at the Enchanted Ground,
but I know not his name.  (I have a suspicion that his name might be
familiar to me, but I would rather not hazard a public guess.)

Apart from this one, I have heard a number of Scots with accents that fade
out and back while they speak, and very few others.
-- 
    -- Charles, student, in Glaedenfeld, Meridies
From: judyb@msgate.hls.COM
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Elizabethan Fashions
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:40:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Nicholas van Leyden writes in regard to the book "Elizabethan Costuming"
 
>This is a good book for construction techniques, but it is pretty awful on
>historical details.  It is adequate for Renn Faire Elizabethan, but if this
>is the only costume book you use, a lot of the details will be wrong, not
>only because the authors make mistakes but also because they simplify certain
>construction details.  Keeping these limitations in mind, I still recommend
>it.
 
Couldn't agree more, the book was given to me as a thank you for work done,
and after reading it I found it was good for general reference only.  But for
those of you that want to purchase it, here is the address:
 
THE LIVING HISTORY CENTRE, Performing Arts Department
Postal Box B
Novato, Calif, 94948
(415) 892-0937                       (the cost is approx $18)
 
By and By, the Renaissance Pleasure Faire for Northern Calif opens on Sept 5th
and closes on Oct 11th. Same site as always, until the zoning gets changed.
 
Another source for patterns is Mediaeval Miscellanea publications (don't have
their address handy), they at least have decent historical notes with their
patterns.  Another source is Amazon Drygoods, 2218 East 11th St., Davenport,
Iowa 52803, their catalog for period patterns is $7.
 
Hope this helps.
 
Julia of Candleshoe                     Internet:  judyb@hls.com
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: safety for marshals (was: Re: Town Battle at the War)
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:32:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.000532.19720@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> awkerr@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Alan Kerr) writes:

[On the general subject of using a slightly toned down International
Orange--calling it tenne--for safety and limit markings.]

I don't know about practices elsewhere, but around here . . .

orange triangles are used to mark the helms of light-fighters in the
manner you described.  There doesn't seem to be any need to make them
a *heraldically* reserved item (indeed--so long as the heralds *don't*
use tenne--there won't be anything that could be mistaken for them).

The Marshallate has some light helms (for use when there are archers
operating) that are black with yellow crossed swords on them--and
tabards and baldrics to match.  I haven't heard of the marshalls
having any special problems of being hit in wars.  

We are also in the habit of having each marshall hold a staff.  Local
practice is to have at least the ends (if not the whole staff) painted
with a spiral stripe pattern in yellow and black.  The staves are
generally of rattan and give the marshalls something to sue to
proctect themselves when fighters make mistakes (not a common
problem--but still one to worry about).  The yellow and black makes a
very good 'flash pattern'.  That is, when moving--it attracts the eye
and the attention better than something of solid color and the
combination gives it good contrast against *any* background.  Note
that these staves and tabards don't require using late colors or
modern (jarring) extensions in order to be bright enough to work well.

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
From: leeu@nobeltech.se (Leif Euren)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Cobbler's Lamp
Date: 26 Aug 92 07:26:56 GMT
Organization: NobelTech AB

Pat McGregor wrote:
>I used to own a lovely little cobbler's lamp which focused the light of a
>candle quite adequately in a circle about 1.5 foot in diameter. It used 4
>glass globes filled with clear water. The place we bought it claimed the
>pattern came from the 1550's....

In the 17th century, engravers here in Sweden used glass bowls filled with
water to focus the lamp-light on their work.  They also tinted the water
with cuprous sulphate(?) (Cu2SO4) to make the light more like daylight
(the blue of the dissolved salt filters much of the red in the light from
the lamp).  The bowl I saw (in the re-enactment museum Skansen, Stockholm)
was on a stand by itself, and could be used with any lamp or candle.

I don't know if the use of tinted water in the glass bowls (or even the
bowls themselves) are of our period, but I thought it interesting enough
to tell you.

  Herr Peder Klingrode                    | Leif Euren    Stockholm, Sweden
  Holmgard, Nordmark, Drachenwald, East   | leeu@nobeltech.se

    NOTE: All opinions are my own, even if my employer claims otherwise!
From: carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Alexander of Kiev (mka Carl Alexander))
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Edward Zifran of Gendy (was Re: Pennsic Land Allotment)
Date: 1 Sep 92 05:57:33 GMT
Organization: The Rialto

Amy Lindsay writes:
 
>... ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes) writes:
>>	According to his lady, he hates the name 'Eddy', at Pennsic, she
>>was referring to him as 'Rapid Edward' (but you didn't hear that from me!)
>
>Most of the folks I know simply call him "Ed."  We met one of his old, old,
>OLD (not necessarily physically) friends at Pennsic who said at one time
>there had been a "the bastard" some where between the "Edward" and the
>"Gendy" but he got pulled away (by Edward) before he could explain further.
 
Well, when I was just a pup and An Tir was still a Principality, my first
Prince was "Sir Edward Zifran of Gendy, the Bloody Bastard of An Tir."
 
Alexander of Kiev                       Carolingia, East

Carl Alexander                          Harvard Square, Cambridge, Mass.
carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu
From: daver@mozart.amd.com (David Rubin)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Wanted: Medieval Music
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:27:54 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <1992Sep2.202629.21224@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> clns@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tim Collins) writes:
>
>Gentles:
>
>At Pennsic I had the pleasure of joining the musicians for the dancing
>in the barn once or twice.  In doing so I saw two books of medieval
>dance music, one blue and one yellow, which are apparently sold by a
>member of the SCA.  I am dying to get my hands on copies of these --
>if anyone could tell me where I can order them from, or even whom to
>talk to, I would be vastly obliged!  (Any other sources of music
>within the SCA would also be appreciated.)
>
>Please email me a response.  If someone else would like the info, 
>also email me.  If I get lots of requests, I will post whatever
>information I receive.  
>


Those happen to be books that I put together for live dance music
here in Ansteorra.  I am pleased by how much interest has been shown
in them, but I shouldn't be surprised.  It seems that the only other
viable dance book is Lord Longwind's (available from Raymond's Quiet
Press).  I tend to be a little twitchy about selling the books I put
together, titled "Music to Dance By", because the copyright issues
are very murky.  Most of the music in the books is stuff I have collected
from Pennsics past and other events.  Some have arranger's names and some 
don't.  I have contacted some of the people represented and obtained 
their permission to disseminate the stuff, but haven't got to
them all.  The bottom line is that I do sell the books for copying
costs only (actually I usually try to take a small loss on them), but
I don't want to sell hundreds and hundreds of them.  Go ahead and 
Email me and I will be glad to send you some.

On a related note (sorry ...) can anyone explain to me the
related copyright laws?


	Robyn Solarius				Dave Rubin
	Bryn Gwlad, Ansteorra			Austin, Texas


Try  daver@mozart.amd.com
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: A request for a bit of help
Followup-To: kogutt@ucsu.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:43:40 GMT

My Lords and Ladies,

	I am soon to join the noble ranks of the SCA.  I pose this question
in hopes that one of you may be able to help.  What names are apropriate?
This summer at a convention I used the name "Nikodemus" for my persona. 
Would this be acceptable?

My thanks to you all.

---SCAVENGER

-- 
KAHN: And I never forget a face.  Mr. Chekov,   |  kogutt@ucsu.colorado.edu
           isn't it?                            |      (Internet/Usenet)
CHEKOV:  But, I wasn't in that episode!!!       | No matter where you go, there
     (from MST3K:The Wrath of Kahn)             |    you are."-Buckaroo Banzai
From: ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Greetings from Ravensnest
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:01:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Aug31.023841.13363@ultb.isc.rit.edu> pjb4288@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Pete - Toonatic - Boulay) writes:

>I am a user of an electric wheelchair <don't know what to call it scadian>
>and I've been thinking of how I could outfit it to be more period, and have
>not come up with many ideas.
>
>If any gentle out there has a thought or suggestion, I'd love to entertain it.
>
>The fabric is black, with two power packs between the back wheels at such
>level with "wheely bars", and a basic metal frame.

	If you wanted to be cute, and are good with paper mache, there is
always the horse suit (or mule suit if your persona is lower class). 
Another option for the noble is to cover it withal in velvet or some rich
fabric, with a soft cushion or two. Treat it as if it were a sedan chair
born by 6 lackeys.
						-Ilaine

-- 
Liz Stokes         | 	Ilaine's E-Z Garb Workshop
Ilaine de Cameron  | 	Before you can spin the wool, you need to comb it.
                   | 	Use the combs with the 5 rows of 6" razor sharp spikes.
From: canton@robinson.ilog.fr (Eric Canton)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: casig
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:50:23 GMT
Organization: ILOG S.A., Gentilly, France
In-reply-to: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com's message of 15 Aug 92 02:53:00 GMT


From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond) :

> (We could also use the 15th/16thc rules for tennis and golf, and the design 
> of tennis bats, and period golf clubs, etc.. Who knows, we may find 15thc
> soccer...(calcio?)  ;-> I know we won't be re-creating the Palio at Siena!)


You could use "la soule", the ancestor of rugby (it's the french name, I 
don't know the english one, if it has one), but with gentler rules : you
wouldn't like to have a period casualties rate...

Claude de Montcastel

Eric CANTON                   | Qui Deus a dune' escie"nce         Marie
SCA : Claude de Montcastel    | e de parler bone eloquence          de
Organization : ILOG (Paris)   | ne s'en deit taisir ne celer       France
e-mail       : canton@ilog.fr | ainz se deit voluntiers mustrer.
From: urcat@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eilidh)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCA in Literature
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:50:58 GMT

In <1293@niktow.canisius.edu> salley@niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley) writes:

>I thought people might be interested in a few recent mentions of the SCA in SF.
					       ^^^^^^

Actually, I was 'recently' and pleasantly introduced to the Christopher
Stasheff "Warlock" series (12 books, so I won't waste bandwidth listing
them all) which sets up an entire planet of Society folk who escape the
political collapse of Earth (Terra) and due to selective memory erasure 
and memory re-creation, they assume their well-thought out and happily
used personas from SCA as their 'real' identities.  Neat things for an
author to have fun with: what would a completely SCA culture be like
after 500 years?  (With some added fun things....but those would be 
spoilers! :)   A recommendation, if you like simple fantasy/sci fi....
twelve books went by in about three-four weeks for me, on top of summer
session at UCSB.

Good reading!

Eilidh
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From: ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Pennsic XXII
Keywords: Dates for Pennsic in 1993; Planning vacation leave
Date: 23 Aug 92 22:28:57 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Aug21.200937.11360@tamsun.tamu.edu> garfield@triton.tamu.edu writes:

>I was told that Pennsic is always the 2nd and 3rd weekends of August. However,
>the first weekend of August could be interpreted to be July 31/August 1 or
>August 7/8. 
	The third weekend is defined as the one including the third
Saturday.
					-Ilaine


-- 
Liz Stokes         | 	Subduing evil by dancing on a dwarf,
Ilaine de Cameron  | 	Nataraja, the lord of Dance, 
                   | 	bestows grace on the world.
ilaine@panix.com   | 
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From: cassie@worf.nas.nasa.gov (Cassandra L. Baldassano)
Subject: Re: COVINGTON CROSS
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 22:27:40 GMT
Reply-To: cassie@worf.nas.nasa.gov (Cassandra L. Baldassano)

In article <93IG02C41fSo01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug26.172137.10374@hubcap.clemson.edu> rarnold@hubcap.clemson.edu (robert e arnold) writes:
|> 
|> > The show offers scenery and costumes. 
|> 
|> Actually, the show has great scenery (real castles) and horrible costumes.
|> Most people went around in the equivalent of jeans tucked into boots with
|> a long shirt and vest over it. The armor looked like the the Lego men from
|> the castle sets. Sometimes the sons wore Costner Robin Hood-like outfits
|> with metal studs and leather. Ugh.
|> 
|> Branwen ferch Emrys
|> The Mists, the West
|> 
|> --
|>                                           Karen Williams
|>                                           branwen@cerebus.ras.amdahl.com
|> "Don't whine. Warrior women speak in a husky whisper."
|>   -- Brat Pack #3

While the costuming overall can be improved (I liked the cloak Sir Thomas
wore), I doubt the appearance of armour will. A close friend of mine who
has studied acting extensively told be that very rarely do the put real
armour on actors since they have to wear 10-12 hours a day under lights.

I, in my opinion, enjoyed the show, they are not many shows on TV that
are better (but I can name a few). Lets give them a chance to develop
it more. I think it is promising.

Euriol of Lothian
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From: Marianne Kinnula <lady@rieska.oulu.fi>
Subject: Crocheting - Is It Period?
Organization: University of Oulu
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:09:40 GMT

Greetings!

(I'm sorry of my recent postings - problems with news system)

I heard that crocheting could be period - is that true? And if it is,
where I can find
sources of period crocheting "patterns"? Crocheting is one of my favorite
hobbies
in mundane world and I'd like to expand it to SCA-world as well.

Please, reply by e-mail since I have no good possibilities to read Rialto.

Yours,

           Alessandra Francesca Chiarmontesi  (lady@rieska.oulu.fi)
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From: rday@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert E Day)
Subject: Re: Historical Accuracy (was Re: COVINGTON CROSS)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:17:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.193248.6541@zip.eecs.umich.edu> charles@zip.eecs.umich.ed
u (Charles Jacob Cohen) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.172137.10374@hubcap.clemson.edu> rarnold@hubcap.clemson.
edu (robert e arnold) writes:
>>Come now!  What do you expect on television.  If you watched the show and
>>expected the historical accuracy that the SCA would have attempted, you were
>>bound to be disappointed.  The show offers scenery and costumes.  Everything
>> . . . .
>
>Everytime, and I mean *everytime* I see a show with my SCA friends that
>has to do with the middle ages, they can never sit back and watch it, they
>have to nit pick every little detail and tear it to shreads. . . . 
>
>I mean, they even put down Danny Kaye's "The Court Jester" because of
>some anachonisms, instead of just enjoying the farce as it was intended.
>btw, this is nothing against you, Lord Bertoltz, I just needed to get
>this off of my chest.  Does anyone else out there feel that the SCA goes
>to far in putting down other people's attempts to explore the middle ages?
>At least this gets people thinking about it, and maybe wondering if there
>is a group out there that does it right...

My wife spent most of the movie saying things like "That's not period.", "They 
wouldn't act that way." But then, she settled down, accepted the OOP crap, and
just watched for intertainment. At the end of the show, she said "It wasn't 
_to_ bad." and agreed that we would continue to watch. The show is not for 
education in history. If you watch it for that, you will be disapointed. If you 
watch it for intertainment only, you may not be.
-- 
If the price that I must pay to obtain my *  Robert E. Day/Syr Otto von    *
freedom, is to acknowledge that the Gov-  *  Schwartzkatz, Shire Mugmort   *
ernmet was granted the power to infringe  *  Barony Middle Marches,        *
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From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: Great diesel beasts at Pennsic
Organization: University of Toronto -- Hart House
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:30:49 GMT

In article <7887@hq.hq.af.mil> snolan@marge.hq.af.mil writes:

>Our camp surmised that some irate local was on his CB home station
>telling misinformation about us on the channels used by traffic of
>I-79.  We figured that someone was telling the beasts to bleat at us.
>
>Any other ideas?  

Back when my parents used to live in Pittsburgh, I used to make the drive
from Toronto down I-79 with reasonable frequency.  There are two sorts of
people driving at night on I-79 -- people who are afraid of the Pennsylvania
speeding fines billboards, and people who are not.  A lot of the truckers
who are pulling all-nighters are in a big hurry, and they don't mind the
risk of paying the Commonwealth of PA a hundred bucks or so if they can
get a delivery bonus for their cargo.  A lot of the same truckers are free
with their air horns, not for a moment considering the fact that there is
life beside the interstate.  They just want to get slower vehicles out of
the way.  I've been one of the slower vehicles, so I know.

Of course if it does turn out to be a local who hates the massive infusion
of cash into the economy of Worth Township, and who sits up at two to three
hours before dawn mumbling imprecations on Channel 19, it would be an easy
problem to solve.

Aryk Nusbacher
From: u906451@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Agamemnon)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Good Costuming Book
Date: 27 Aug 92 07:55:49 GMT
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.

Greetings unto all of the Rialto from Gunnar Njalsson,

I have noticed over the last few days that there has been a
lot of good gentiles asking about costuming books.
A very well used one in our shire's possesion, is by an author
called K.S.Holkeboer _Patterns for Theatrical Costumes_ which
is printed by Prentice Hall Press. Sorry no isbn number.
The book covers the following topics (not a complete list I am
going by memory)

Egyptian
Roman
Byzantine
11th century
12th century
13th century
14th century
15th century
16th century
17th century

The book actually goes upto the 19th century but the time frames i mentioned
above are spill into periods of early,mid and late after the 11th century
stuff. This is not a very complex book but it is good for choosing your
first set of garb. I forgot to mention that the topic sections are split 
into female and male, with patterns beside illustrations.

Fare thee well,
Gunnar
Shire of Ynys Fawr
Principality of Lochac, West



--
Damien Saunders     (Gunnar Njalsson)
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