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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: _Disinherited_ opinions (Re: New TOS Book ... info)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:14:46 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

Spoilers

I found the errors in contintinuity distracting.

Just after Wesley signs off his communications with Kirk on the
bridge, Uhura beams to _Lexington_, and she materializes with...
Wesley?!

Uhura's escorted to her quarters by the first officer of _Lexington_.
As soon as she notices that her quarters are "too big", she calls the
bridge and talks to... the first officer?!

Kirk says "You have the conn, Sulu", and moving to the center seat
we see... Spock?!

Distracting errors, these, though not fatal.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
      "Informix 4GL is not a 4G, and it's barely an L."  -- John Tombs
From: djsnyder@husc8.harvard.edu (David Snyder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: StarFleet and the Xenophobia Thing
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:41:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr7.184108.10810
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr7.012015.28485@ccu.umanitoba.ca> jcurrie@ccu.umanitoba.ca (James Gordon Currie) writes:
>****Bzzt****
>
>Sorry, "Mad" person...
>          But the Klingons are *not* UFP members. They are *allied* to the
>UFP... There is a difference. Mainly, if/when they *do* join the UFP, they
>will be required to disband their fleet, in favour of the ships of Star Fleet
>(which is a construction of the UFP council about 1 century or so after the
>formation of the UFP), as Star Fleet is/was designed to replace the navies of
>the individual member-states of the UFP.
>
>Ciao
>J G Currie

Actually, I've never been quite sure about the Klingons relation to the    
Federation.  At times (Samaritan Snare, for example) they've been referred to
as members of the Federation, at other times they seem to be more allies.
Even if they were allies, that wouldn't necessarily preclude them from
having their own military force.  In Unification part 2 we saw ships
from the "Vulcan Defense Force" or something like that. Also, when queried
on why there are no other Klingons in Starfleet (by Alexander, I think) 
Worf responded that no others had applied, not that the Klingons are not UFP
members.

DJS
From: milo@athena.mit.edu (Cole D Robison)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: What happens to BOSEMAN now in TNG-Time Line?
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:50:35 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology


  * SPOILERS * for "Cause and Effect":
























In article <53903@hydra.gatech.EDU>, ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
	[snip]

|> 
|> How can you say time travel into the future causes no paradoxes?  What if
|> they hadn't traveled into the future?  Those 400 or so crewmembers would
|> probably have had children, who would have had children.  Who knows, one of
|> them may have been an ancestor of Soong.  But now that they aren't there,
|> they can't have those children, effectively changing the past of the people
|> in TNG.
|> 
	Sorry, Jorge, but you're wrong on this one.  Nothing changed the past of
TNG, becuase that past *is* the one in which the Boseman disappeared, jumping
forward in time.  The timeline you describe, in which the Boseman never jumps,
never occurs at all, so there is no paradox.  Think about it.  When you travel
into the past, you can cause a deviation from a timeline that has occurred, and,
in fact, was your past up to the moment you jumped through time.  Hence paradoxes
can arise.  But when you travel into the future, no timelines are altered at all.
 The timeline remains linear, and no paradoxes can arise.  The only conflicts are
with a hypothetical series of events which *never* occurs.
-- 

                                     Cole D. Robison
                                     internet: milo@athena.mit.edu

===================================================================
"Logic is the beginning of wisdom, Lieutenant, not the end."
                                     -- Spock
                                     Star Trek VI
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From: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Shabang's First Duty rating.
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:13:02 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Apr6.212649.3592@iscsvax.uni.edu> morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>On to First Duty.  Well the Shabang-o-meter was really ready to bash the 
>hell out of this one, being a Wesley story and all.  But lo and behold (a 
>rather strange phrase that is), it was very good.  It gets a 9.  Kept my 
>attention throughout.

Yeah.  Unfortunately, I think it falls into the "tastes great, less filling"
category.  I don't think it will stay with me for very long.

-- 
Michael Rawdon
rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

Not a model man, not a savior or a saint.
Imperfect in a word, make no mistake.
But I give you everything I have.  Take me as I am...
					- King Crimson, "Model Man"
From: il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A few comments THE FIRST DUTY brought up
Keywords: Calculus Academy FIRST DUTY
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:51:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Apr7.035123.4016
Reply-To: iho@cac.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Tacoma

hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:

> I think there are several academies, one on earth, another on vulcan, etc.
> This would explain why most of the cadets were human, and why the 
> gardener personally knew all of them (which would be impossible if that 
> one academy supplied all the officers for the entire fleet.)

The gardener didn't know all of them.  Piccard was a special case.  When
Wesley left for the Academy, Piccard told him to look up the gardener,
saying he's the wisest man there, or something to that effect.  I got
the impression that it wasn't standard practice for cadets to befriend
the gardener.

-- 
Il Hwan Oh                    | "A university is a place where people pay
Computer Facilities Manager   | high prices for goods which they then
Univ. of Washington, Tacoma   | proceed to leave on the counter when
iho@cac.washington.edu        | they go out of the store." -- Loren Eisley
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From: sanborn@berlioz.nsc.com (sanborn)
Subject: Re: Transporter (was Re: An oddity)
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:12:32 GMT


I think there's a much simpler and practical reason for not crouching
or standing ready with phasers when transporting and that's continuity.
When you think it may be a few days between filming the transporter room
and their appearence at the destination it is reasonable to assume an
upright relaxed posture that will be the same in any setting. Remember
the scene in "The Outcast" where Riker and whats-its-name are in the
shuttle craft crouched over the two unconscious aliens? They were very
careful to show them beam out from one angle and then beam into sickbay
from a completely different angle. It wasn't done for dramatic effect as
much as it was that it would have been nearly impossible to have all 4
people assume the same position and keep their relative position with
each other. Even in the simple case where Data is about to blast the bad
guy with the something-T disrupter in the episode where he's kidnapped.
(The Prize?) They show him from two distinctly different angles before
and after transport.

Enough of the soapbox discourse even if it was IMHO.
C.Sanborn (A loyal citizen... of the Federation)

Now back to our originally scheduled flame war...

-- 

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From: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Asimov lost
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:15:16 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Apr7.011257.22061@netfs.dnd.ca> bvan@ncs.dnd.ca (Bryan Van Blaricom) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.194439.6537@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> sdh5@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott D. Hurley) writes:
>>WHo's left?

>Just Arthur (at least out of the 4 authors who made it into Encyclopaedia
>Britannica).  Just read an editorial of his in IASFM in which he said he
>was feeling poorly - didn't know how prophetic it was (sigh).

Four?  Asimov, Heinlein and Clarke (I imagine) and who?  Bradbury?  Ellison?

Asimov apparently wrote a "farewell note" of some sort when he realized
that he was dying.  It's supposed to appear somewhere sometime soon.  (Oh,
that's a BIG help, Michael...)

-- 
Michael Rawdon
rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

Not a model man, not a savior or a saint.
Imperfect in a word, make no mistake.
But I give you everything I have.  Take me as I am...
					- King Crimson, "Model Man"
From: jdutka@wpi.WPI.EDU (John Dutka)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Upcoming Episode News/Spoilers  ST: TNG and ST:DSN
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:33:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: wpi.1992Apr13.033312.9319
Distribution: na
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute





In article <1992Apr9.193838.18108@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>>>"Time's Arrow" - This year's season finale!  Data goes back in time to
>>>late 19th/early 20th century earth and meets Mark Twain.  NOTE: This
>>>episode was originally NOT a cliffhanger, but it is now.  

Something else was mentioned about an episode at a local ST-Con by Patrick
Stewart, about Data's head being found on 20th century Earth.  Of course,
it was also mentioned that TNG might go through a 7th season, too, so I
wasn't paying as much attention as I should have then.

>I don't know about that.  I've come to enjoy the Q episodes.  I'm a
>little disappointed that DaLancie won't be appearing this year.

According to Richard Arnold, 2 Q episodes should be airing early next season.
Whoopi should be in an episode soon.

>>Ferengi, Ensign Ro, Cardissians --- why do I have the feeling TNG is
>>dumping all of its drek elements onto DS9?

Well, possible cross-overs mentioned included O'Brien, Keiko, Ro, and Wesley.
-- 
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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: Locarno = Kirk (Spoilers "First Duty"))
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:39:05 GMT

kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones) writes:

>tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
> > That's not an "I will not fail".  That's an "I will not give
> > up"; and I find that an admirable quality most of the time.
> > The "I will not fail" is adolescent arrogance at its worst.
> 
>kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones) writes:
> > OK, assuming for a moment that you're right: give us an
> > example of Kirk taking on something that's way over his head,
> > ignoring all warnings, and just foolishly bulling ahead.

>tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
> > Refusing to do a thing about Gary Mitchell until it was damn
> > near too late in "Where No Man Has Gone Before"?  Letting Khan
> > get in close enough to cripple the Enterprise in ST2?

>You'll understand if I don't accept examples taken from ST:TWOK,
>since this was the movie that produced Kobiyashi and exposed
>"failings" that I don't believe Kirk has.  

Then we can't reach agreement.  If you refuse to accept my examples (and
ST2 is the biggest and best of the lot), then there's no point in my giving
them, is there?

Yes, the "Where No Man..." example is weaker; I knew that from the start.
"Obsession" is a better one, and ST2 is better still.  Others more up on their
TOS details have been answering you here, so I'll leave it to them.

Tim Lynch
From: demillo@juliet.ll.mit.edu ( Robert DeMillo )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Odds of Ships colliding in space are...
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:41:04 GMT
	<7359@brchh104.bnr.ca>
Organization: M.I.T. Lincoln Lab - Group 43

In article <7359@brchh104.bnr.ca> snoopy@brchh529.BNR.CA (Antonio Tello) writes:
> In article <1992Mar29.203218.45945@yuma.acns.colostate.edu>,
> kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick) writes:
> |>While we are talking about Poker and odds.....
> |>
> |>Isn't it highly improbable that two ships in as large an expanse as
> |>space would COLLIDE with each other?

> I would say they are similar to the odds of two ships at sea colliding
> (Which does happen)

Not even close. Ships at sea sail over a relative tiny, 2d surface...and
even there, most collisions occur near shore or port where the ship density 
is higher. In space, you're talking about a 3D volume...the chances
go *way* down...they were nowhere near port in Cause and Effect, so the
chances go down again. 

The only excuse I will buy is that, since they were both Federation
ships, they were probably in some sort of commonly travelled 
shipping path, so that would raise the chances. However, even
if they were right next to the rift, and they say the ship coming
out of the rift in their general direction, the chances are with them
that the ship wouldn't even come close enough to
catch a breeze. (Um, if there were any breeze to catch.)

Yeah, that actually bothered me about this episode....



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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: sdh5@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott D. Hurley)
Subject: Asimov lost
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 19:44:39 GMT


Isaac Asimov died this morning , April 6, 1992 A.D.

WHo's left?
-- 
Though it will take me to Forever's Rim,
I sail through the reaches of Time's Twilight Dim.
Questing for Knowledge, on Night's Darkest Sea,
Bound for those shores enshrouded by Mystery.  --Thaliaer's Oath
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori)
Subject: Re: soap opera gimmics?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:14:15 GMT

Possible CoL spoiler ahead:


>on a different topic, sorry but I am glad to see Alexander go.
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What is your source for this? Please, PLLEEEASE tell me this true.
Don't worry about spoiling CoL for me -- for once, I'll make an
exception.


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TNG Lifelines: From "Yesterday's Enterprise" To "The First Duty" --
  "Prior to Starfleet Academy commencement ceremonies, an in-flight
   accident destroys five ships, including the one carrying Wesley
   Crusher" -- TV Guide: Mar. 28 - Apr. 3
From: hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on First Duty : SPOILERS
Organization: AT&T Migration Systems
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:14:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.235528.22404@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> mzimmer@lonestar.utsa.edu (Martin B. Zimmerman) writes:
>Ok these are somethings I have to get off my chest; therefore, spoilers abound.

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>As much as I see some people trashing the presence Boothbe (sp) I must say
>that I found his prescence an enjoyable look into the events that acutally
>shaped the life of Picard.
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>In addition, I thought I saw someone say that Boothbe (sp) could be the head
>of the Psychology Deptpartment and that he only acts like a groundskeeper
>to get closer to the Cadets on an informal level. I like this idea, for all
>we know it could be true. I know several people who do pretend to be something
>that they are not in order to get to know people on an informal basis. It might
>be unlikely that after so much time he has yet to be figured out, but I like
>this idea.
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Since it is likely that they would not figure it out until after
graduation (when he hands them their first assignment IN PRIVATE)
they would be careful not to tell the plebes.  Thus each new set of
cadets would have to figure it out for themselves.  Note how
careful Picard was to have Wesley talk to Boothby WITHOUT speaking
about what he did.

>-> Martin Zimmerman
>   mzimmer@lonestar.utsa.edu
>
>Comments and Critiques are Welcome.


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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: SPOILING "Cause/Effect" [ltc]
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:14:58 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr7.011653.16615@samba.oit.unc.edu> Michael.Rosen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Michael Rosen) writes:
>Possible spoiler:

>
>FINAL CUTESIE COMMENT:

>I saw the episode again yesterday and noticed that Data has 2.5 pips and
>not three.  Although, I feel that they fact that they are on his own
>collar rule out any chance he might see his own pips (even though he has
>2.5, as I observed).  He is not the same rank as Riker.  Data is a Lt.
>Cmdr, Riker is a Cmdr, I believe.

This is correct.  However, Data does have 3 pips.  Two are white, and one
is black.  2 + 1 = 3.

As near as I've been able to figure out from watching the episodes, this
is how the ranks/pips work:

Ensign          - 1 white pip
Lieutenant J.G. - 1 white, 1 black
Lieutenant      - 2 whites
Lt. Commander   - 2 whites, 1 black
Commander       - 3 whites
Captain         - 4 whites


-- 
Jorge Diaz                       | If winning is not important, then Commander,
Georgia Institute of Technology  |    why keep score?
Office of Information Technology | 
ccoprdj@prism.gatech.edu         |                     - Worf -
From: PARRISH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lacarno = Kirk (Spoilers "1st Duty)
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:17:16 GMT
 <1992Apr5.001453.27100@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Apr5.001453.27100@acsu.buffalo.edu>,
v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) says:
>
> (some previous stuff deleted)
>
>     The loyalty inspired by Locarno is definitely of the same type
>     Kirk inspired in his people
>
     Kirk inspired loyalty from strong-willed individuals who would
often disagree with him.  Locarno inspired guilt and fear from a
bunch of spineless underclasspersons.
>
>     and he would have, no doubt, been
>     one of the more exciting Starfleet captains to come down the
>     pike (sorry) if he'd made it through.
>
     Well, Locarno was enthusiastically accepted into the Klingon
Academy where he appeared to have a bright future.  Unfortunately,
during his graduation ceremony, Locarno tried another banned flying
maneuver while his ship was cloaked; he accidentally created a
wormhole, traveled back in time momentarily, and ended up crashing
into his past self.  This time satellite pictures were unable to
show what happened prior to the crash; they only show the debris
after the destruction of the cloaking devices.

                                    Larry Parrish
                                    parrish@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: kang-sung-moon@CS.YALE.EDU (Sung-Moon Kang)
Subject: Re: Why 3 in "Cause and Effect?"
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 11:15:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.062030.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>
>Why didn't Data choose the "obvious" and send a message of "Riker"?!
>Same number of characters as "three", after all, and a lot less ambiguious!
>
 
No, no , no... not 'three'... but '3', which definitely had fewer
charcters than "Riker."

To us there's no difference between 'three' and '3', but to computers....
							Sunger


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From: dayger@oswego.Oswego.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.fandom,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: East Coast Conventions in May...
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:44:54 GMT
Reply-To: dayger@oswego.Oswego.EDU ()
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.fandom
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY
Originator: dayger@penelope.oswego.edu

Greetings All:

I and several family members are palnning a trip to Washington D.C. to see the
Star Trek exhibit at the Smithsonian.  We would very much like to hit an ST
convention an our way back.  If you know of a Trek convention being held during
May *anywhere* along the East Coast between upstate New York and Washington
D.C., please contact me by e-mail with info on where and when it will be held
and who the planned guest(s) are.

Isn't there supposed to be a convention in Valley Forge in early May????

Any help will be greatly appreciated!

-Tim

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