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From: plh@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Subject: Re: Shimano Reels
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:07:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.111807@ratchet.Prime.COM>, kosicki@ratchet.Prime.COM (Bernie Kosicki) writes:
|> I too have had an AX for several years.  It has served me very well for
|> a variety of fresh water fishing needs.  I have found the action to be
|> very smooth, and have used it a lot at night with no foul ups.

I thought I really liked my older shimano's (I had four 
MK-IIQ's at last count, the fifth died after some brutal salt-water use).
This year I bought the "sidestab" (dumb name huh?) which has the long-cast 
design and a lever activated fighting drag rather than the 
knob-that-twists kind.  I really prefer the new design (although it 
does not come with a free spare spool).  If you are a backreeler then 
the difference in drag shouldn't matter to you, I find it much more 
exciting to let the drag fight a big fish than it is when I backreel. 
(When a GIANT bass dives under that boat and I fear that I may lose her,
then I do resort to backreeling.  :)   )

		-Pat. 
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From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Cooking The Catch--Rocky Mountain Whitefish
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 01:44:15 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

Every year I catch 3-4 nicesized whitefish whilst fishing for
Browns on the Bow river. I always let them go, because I have
no idea how to cook them.

I would like to start a thread on recipes for the fish we catch.
Especially, the kind that can be cooked streamside.

To start: My trout recipe:

Fry up6 rashers of good bacon until crispy. In the meantime,
clean your trout (4 or 5 10" rainbows), and sprinkle them with
salt and fresh black pepper. Sprinkle a little inside the fish
as well. Then roll them in a 50-50 mix of cornmeal and
all-purpose flour. In your frying pan, add 4tbs of butter and
4tbs of good oil to the bacon grease. Fry the fish quickly,
turning once, until they are golden.

Eat, enjoy, sprinkle with a bit of lemon.

I used to do this all the time, right by the creek. The cooking
gear and ingredients only add up to a few pounds, even withthe
14" cast iron pan I use;-) I carry it in a large daypack.

Charles
-- 
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separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
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From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: Trout, life, & the universe
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:34:20 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

jcook@brazil.cs.colorado.edu (Jonathan Cook) writes:

> BUT, I do have some questions.
> 
> 1) I caught fish mostly on nymphs, but only because I had such
>    a hard time hooking the strikes on dries. Is the tendency for
>    a novice to react too quickly or too slowly? It seemed to me
>    I was reacting too slowly, but I know from other fishing (like
>    top water bass), that the tendency is actually to be too fast.

A majority of new fly fishers will react too fast and pull the hook out
of the fishes mouth before the fish has time to bite down.  This happens
to most all fisherman at some time or other so don't be depressed.  
The main thing is keeping your attention focused on the fly.  If you are
looking away and catch a glimpse of a fish striking you are much more 
apt to strike too quickly.  This also can depend on what size of fly
you are using.  If you are using a nice big (10-14) caddis then you will
have a much better chance of hooking the fish.  The small stuff (16-24)
you have to allow the fish time to close his/her mouth.

Another factor in setting the hook too fast is breakoffs.  You will find 
that you go through alot of flies if you are setting the hook to hard and
fast.  Especially on lighter tippet like 6 and 7X.

> 
> 2) Please, Please, PLEASE tell me how you are able to watch these
>    tiny dry flies and not lose sight of them. I could only keep
>    track them in very calm areas, or on very short casts.  This
>    wasn't an issue w/ nymphs becaused I used a cheater (BTW, is 
>    this general or do good fisherman just watch the fly line?)

I assume you calling a float indicator a cheater.  Most fisherman I know
do use a float indicator to distinguish strikes from rocks.

As for seeing the fly... get some polarized glasses if you don't have any
and they will help.  But half the challenge is finding where you size 24
caddis is on the water.

good luck!

Dave

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From: daryl@bovill.auspex.com (Daryl Starr)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Albacore
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:51:20 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems

Has anyone been out for albacore this year around SF or Monterey? If so, how far out were
the fish, how many were caught, when did you go, what size were the fish and did you go on
a party boat and if so, how much did you spend?

Daryl
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From: gauss@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (GAUSS  REBECCA BANKER)
Subject: Re: Wanted Large FLATBOTTOM-CHEAP!!!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:59:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.160504.21015@nmsu.edu> pfeiffer@nmsu.edu (Joe Pfeiffer) writes:
>   .....Check out my 10 ft. jon boat. . .twin 150 Evenrudes!
>
>I get this great mental image of a boat with bow pointing straight up
>in the air, angines not even visible above the water...

This isn't Becky, it's Ed.  Back in our Alaskan years we had a 7 foot
jon boat and it was doing it's best to keep the stern afloat with me and
a 7hp Sears engine pushing it.   With Becky and the kids in it, it was
doing its best just to stay afloat.  Now the current in the Chena was over
eight knots and that little 7hp just could not make it upstream unless
somehow you could convince that rig to plane.  When I was by myself I
would crawl up to the bow and ballast it down with me.  The trouble was
that the steering handle was just out of reach.  So I banked the thing
like an airplane to fly around the river bends.  Now that was fun!
The only trouble that it didn't go fast enough to outrun the mosquitoes!
Those river mosquitoes in Alaska -- they get mighty agressive.  I never
quite figured out how to harness them and set them to pull.

                              Ed Gauss
                               Fat Moose Outfitters, retired

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From: zinzow@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark S. Zinzow)
Subject: Re: Skunked!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:05:56 GMT

parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>For two days in a row I have fished "my" creek, and been skunked.
>Loads of fish in there, jumping all over the place, and I could
>even *see* then a lot of the time.

>The fish would follow my spinner or spoon, but never close to
>within about six inches, it was infuriating to watch them do
>this.

Once I was fishing for trout with corn and watched a school of them
swimming around just looking it my corn for a long while.  Finally,
I got bored and decided to just throw in all the corn I had to feed
them.  I took a handful from the can I had and tossed it in and they
went into a freeding frenzy gobbling every last bit.  Gee, this looks
promissing I thought, and put some corn back on my hook, dropped it in
and then tossed in another handful of corn and had one instantly.

This works so well, it's hardly sporting.  Might as well just throw
a net over the school.
From: tfisher@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Tom Fisher)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Panfish? (Was: Re: Keeping cheese on a fish hook?)
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:48:56 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

> Why are they called panfish?  I have never met anyone who even heard
> of anyone eating a sunfish or bluegill.  

You must not have talked to anyone from the midwest.  As a boy
growing up in central Indiana, many of my early memories are of
coming home with a stringer full of bluegill and having my mom
fry them up for supper.

> 
> OK, I am willing.  How do you clean them?  Any recipes?  
>

As I recall, you de-scale them by running a knife (scrape)
against the grain of the scales.  Then you simply cut off the
head and clean out the entrails.  Roll them in flour or corn-meal
before frying in a shallow pan with hot grease.  Some folks like
to dip them in an egg batter before rolling in the flour or
corn-meal.  Salt and pepper to taste. 
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From: starkey@cs.montana.edu (Denbigh Starkey)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Slough Creek and Nets
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:52:52 GMT
Organization: CS

A couple of people have asked me to post about my trip to Slough Creek,
(which I had only intended to do if it went very well).

Jean and I went in to the first meadow above the campground,  This is in one
of the nicest areas of Yellowstone National Park, and there is a good trail
leading to three major meadow areas between about 2.5 to 6 miles from the
campground.  We had intended to go to the second meadon, but clouds were
building up and so we decided to stop as soon as possible.

We got in about 2.5 hours of fishing before we were driven out by thunder, 
rain, etc.  The river was in great shape and there were a lot of cutthroat
trout rinsing slowly.  We saw at least 50 fish over 16" from the bank.  The
fish were being very selective rising slowly and inspecting the flies
carefully.  We did not see anyone else catch any fish.  I gave up on trying 
to match the hatch and switched to a small black beetle which quickly caught
one big cutthroat (20" and very deep - a lot of fun on the 2 weight rod),
and then nothing else.  Many fish hit at a hopper, but I only caught one
(about 14").  The beetle was a #18, so the big fish didn't qualify for a
renewal of my membership in tomg's 20-20 club.

Before going to the park I bought a Brodin net holder to finally replace
the bungee cord that I've always used on the back of my vest.  These things
are great.  The net is attached with handle down, and it just pulls out
with a jerk on the handle when you want to land a fish.  No problems in brush,
stays out of your way, no stretching out elastic when trying to reach a big
fish, etc.  Great value.

Denbigh S.
starkey@cs.montana.edu, starkey@mtsunix1.bitnet
406-994-4780 (work), 406-586-7614 (home)
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From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Cooking The Catch--Rocky Mountain Whitefish
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 20:34:13 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <22871@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> hayes@valkris.aero.org (Brian Hayes 74-35 x65129) writes:
>In article <92Aug14.014415.25760@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>>Every year I catch 3-4 nicesized whitefish whilst fishing for
>>Browns on the Bow river. I always let them go, because I have
>>no idea how to cook them.
>
>Are these the same "white fish" (aka "sqauw fish") that eat their weight
>in trout each day????  When I catch these on the Kern, they usually get
>a flying lesson and spend the rest of their existance as fertilizer.
>
 I don't think so. They are variable in size, from 4" to 3-4ft,
migratory, small mouthed, and feed on insects and nymphs. They
are
a rather beautiful silver colour with thick skins and pronounced
but very small scales. They have fairly deeply forked tails.

They "run" at different times of the year...I have been told that
they smoke very well. I am looking for other ideas.

I would be very surprized if these fish ate trout (at least trout
over an inch or two long), just based on the size of their
mouths.

Mostly people fly cast with wetflies for them.

Charles
-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
From: zmola@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Carl Zmola)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Bream (bluegill) eating
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:10:43 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

kevins@mcnc.org (Kevin Siefering) writes:

>     I fillet everything because I hate bones.  You can just as easily
>gut them and scale them.  I like the classic pan fried fish.  Just roll
>in a 1/2 and 1/2 mixture of flour and cornmeal and fry in butter with
>salt and pepper.  I also like to deep fat fry the little buggers.  Make
>a batter using egg, flour, cornmeal, and milk about the consistency of
>pancake mix.  Roll 'em in it and toss 'em in.  I usually cook onion
>rings at the same time using the extra batter.  MMMMMMM!

	I also fillet my blue gills, it makes eating a lot easier.
Bluegills don't have much meat around the stomach, but up above the
ribcage there is plenty of meat to fillet.  I usually end up freezing
my fillets in a zip lock bag untill I feel like eating them.  Since
bluegills are often plentiful, I get allot of practice filleting. 

	When cooking bluegills I usually use flour and breadcrumbs, add
a few spices and just pat the fillets in the dry mixture and fry them up.
Since each fillet is sorta scrawny, they can be overpowered easily so
I usually don't use a batter.  I like bluegill as well as walleye, and
am always looking for new recipies. 

		Carl Zmola
		Urban Fisherman
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From: wesm@mbunix.mitre.org (Miller)
Subject: NEFT - New England Fly Tyers
Organization: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, Ma.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:42:38 GMT

	I think this is the group someone wanted....they meet every Monday at
7:00 PM (except 5th Monday) at the West Boylston VFW Post, 27 Pierce Street,
West Boylston, Ma. Everyone welcome.

					Wes Miller
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: A Big Cat Tale [WAS: First Muskie]
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:41:31 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Aug21.165646.16614@ncsu.edu> plh@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron) writes:
>
>A very good story, I don't have my book handy, but a 20+# catfish 
>on 4# test might be a line class word record.  

Really.  I landed a 32# striper on 6# test line in the SF Delta.  It broke
the net.  Really.  We were also fishing in a canoe.  The guy that hooked was
working the electric trolling motor.  He'd hold his rod in the air and tired
the fish out by using the motor to drag it around.  Eventually it just kind
of floated to the surface.  When I reached out to net it the fish didn't
quite fit in the net.  As I tried to pick it up the aluminum handle on the
net bent over near the ring.  I grabbed both sides of the ring on the net
and lifted the fish into my lap.  It hung over both sides of the canoe about
six inches on both sides.  After getting back to shore we tossed net in
the back of the trunk and it snapped in two.

A couple of weeks later we landed a 28# guitarfish and got a 54" leopard
shark close enough to the boat so that we could measure it and cut it loose.
We were using steel leaders, however.

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From: plh@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Subject: Re: Bluegill, Sunnies, Pumkinseeds, etc.
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:59:58 GMT

In article <Aug20.191338.50691@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug20.145928.26753@ncsu.edu> plh@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron) writes:
|> >In article <Aug19.213800.28756@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick) writes:
|> >|> 
|> >|> which I think is generic for panfish, but is mostly the redear and 
|> >|> shellcrackers.
|> >
|> >Now I'm going to have to get my Peterson's out this evening, I thought 
|> >that shellcrackers were redear sunfish!
|> 
|> I think you are right -- the other Pat


Pat, 

Thanks for the info.

			-Pat.
From: brown@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Pat R. Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Rod cases
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:29:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpspkla.40300003
Organization: Hewlett Packard Company, Spokane, Wa.

Beware!!!  PVC is better than ABS. From my own experience ABS warps      
when you leave it in a hot car in the sun!

Use PVC (white usually) and not ABS(black), even though PVC  costs a 
little more. 

Pat in Greenacres, WA
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From: kevins@mcnc.org (Kevin Siefering)
Subject: Northern Pike Fishing
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:53:11 GMT

     I have done quite a lot of pike fishing in central Minnesota.
In the summer my best technique is to use about a 3/8 oz spinner bait
in either white or chartreuse with tandem willow blades.  I have had
the most luck in about 10 feet of water where the weeds grow up
from the bottom to within a foot or two of the surface.  Fish the 
lure fairly fast over the tops of the weeds.  You can see the lure
vanish when a fish bites it.  I would suggest using a wire leader,
although it is not as important with a spinner bait as with other
lures.  I have had big fish engulf the entire spinner bait and bite
through the line!   Other lures that work well are:
 
Red and white Daredevil spoons
Mepps spinners
Shallow running plugs like floating Rapalas and Rat-L-Traps

     In the winter you can't beat large sucker minnows on a tip-up.
Fish in the same type areas as in the summer - about 13-16 feet down
with cabbage weeds.  A 10" hole in the ice is mandatory for pulling
out a lunker.  I caught a 10 pounder in -5 deg F weather through
26 inches of ice on Lake Miltona and my brother-in-law has
two 17 pounders.  Pulling a fish like that in hand-over-hand is
really something!  By the way, a tip-up is basically a free spool
of line which is attached to a flag.  When the spool starts spinning
the flag goes up and the fishermen come running!  I recommend it
highly to you northerners.  For pike, let the fish run until it stops
and swallows the bait.  When it runs the second time give it a yank
and hold on!  Tip-ups can be purchased from northern bait stores or
through Bass Pro Shops.
From: smmyers@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (Sean M. Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Surf Casting Distance
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:53:16 GMT
Reply-To: smmyers@PacBell.COM (Sean M. Myers)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA


I didn't catch your original post, but I did see some subsequent replies.

Whenever I surf cast, I watch the waves, and when the water starts to recede
(back into the ocean) I run towards the ocean and cast.  That way, you gain
another 15 to 20 feet depending on the surf, terrain, etc.  Not to mention
that you get an extra heave out of the process.  It's a common practice around
here, and it works great.  

Good Luck
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From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Wanted Large FLATBOTTOM-CHEAP!!!
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:57:34 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Aug12.183109.10892@ncsu.edu> plh@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.153624.12631@uvm.edu>, geraghty@emba-news.uvm.edu.UUCP (Kevin M Geraghty) writes:
>|> 
>|> ***What is this discussion doing in this news group?  This should be
>|> in rec.brainless-internal-combustion-engine-pastimes***
>
>Sorry Kevin, can you tell me how to start a "rec.xxx" newsgroup?

I started this problem by cross-posting my original (tree-hugging,
sprout-eating, engine-noise-bashing) comments to rec.backcountry.
If you reply to this thread, please be sure to remove rec.backcountry
from the "Newsgroups" line in the header, as that group is not
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From: kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Bluegill, Sunnies, Pumkinseeds, etc.
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:38:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University -- Atmos Sci

While we are tossing local names around for bluegill-bream-panfish, here's
one from Louisiana:

                        chinquapin

which I think is generic for panfish, but is mostly the redear and 
shellcrackers. They make a run on the North Lake Ponchartrain shoreline
in February and March, and have a mystifying nature of "disappearing"
the rest of the year -- where they go, no one seems to know......

One for the trivia buffs.....

Pat Fitzpatrick
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From: andrewb@lazy.demon.co.uk (Andrew Brown)
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Tipping your guide
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:14:33 +0000


In article <1992Aug14.152850.12643@coe.montana.edu> starkey@cs.montana.edu (Denbigh Starkey) writes:

> 
> Now I'm out of here to go to Slough Creek and to try to get some big fish
> on a light fly rod.  Hoppers are all over, so it should be good.
> 
> Denbigh S.
> starkey@cs.montana.edu, starkey@mtsunix1.bitnet
> 406-994-4780 (work), 406-586-7614 (home)
> 
I feel sick with jealousy. My wife, son and I had a week on the Gallatin and
in the Yellowstone, including a day on Slough Creek, three years back. I
worked out later that is is probably cheaper, and certainly better fishing,
to fly to Montana for a week than to get day tickets on good English chalk
streams.

PS my wife hates you too. :)))

PPS anyone need a lecturer in journalism at MSU Bozeman?


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