From: cza@prefect.cc.bellcore.com (C. Akgun)
Subject: Re: NPR: Bosnia Faces Aggression now from Croats
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Navesink, NJ,
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 17:38:34 GMT

In article <C1H1z9.4CK@apollo.hp.com> goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes:

[....]

>   I knew you could: a recent "Argic/Multu/et al" article bragged
>   about a 120Mb database that it was maintaining.  So, go ahead
>   and get the original article from the disk, for your volatile memory 
>   does not serve you right: you previous response alleged that I once 
>   called the Azeris "animals",  the current one implies that I did not
>   but throws religion in...  One of the above claims must be untrue.
>   In fact, both are lies - I never passed a judgement on the Azeris.
>   (but you are welcome to prove me wrong - all you'd need is to
>   re-post the original article(s))

I see that "deception" is a skill that you have mastered well.  
120Mb database of "Argic/Mutlu/et al" has nothing to do with me.   Hey,
I guess one needs this type of blundering to cover up his shortcomings.
The only reason that I have a copy of your gem about Azeris is
because I responded to it on January 14, 1992.  Your message was 
posted on Jan. 13, 1992 in soc.culture.turkish, talk.politics.mideast, 
talk.politics.soviet, soc.culture.soviet, and soc.rights.human.  I must
admit that I've remembered a bit wrong offhand by saying that you called
Azeris "animals."  Actually, your hatred and bias for them (and 
Moslems in general based on the sentiment expressed following the
"Poor Azeris!" remark below) went really far.  Let's see who is lying  
who is not.

Here is the exact excerpt of the posting that I responded last year:  
(BTW: this article has been posted by Alex Goykhman who had not yet 
assumed the alias, Pickl.. oops! Red Herring then 8-).)


   In article <1992Jan13.185240.6952@apollo.hp.com> goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman) writes:
   >In article <9201111439@anadolu.michigan.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com 
   (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:
   >
   >>.......... 'At least three times as many Azerbaijanis have been killed 
   >>as Armenians were murdered in the Sumgait tragedy. Yet our story is 
   >>ignored. Because they are Christian, the central Soviet press is well 
   >>as Europe and the United States give them a sympathetic ear. We are 
   >>portrayed as wild animals,' says Nadzhar Nadzharov, a department head 
   >>at the Azerbaijani Party paper, Barinski." 
   >
   >    Poor Azeris!  Their credibility is at a low point because of their
   >    religion, not because a bunch of them went on a three day rampage 
   >    raping, torturing and murdering their Armenian neighbors.
   >
   >    Whoever portrayed those folks as wild animals owes an apology
   >    to the animals - they kill, but they do not rape and torture.

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Now, you tell me that those last six lines ring a bell or not.  If those
are not your remarks, I will admit that I am mistaken and owe you an 
apology.  If these are yours (I belive they are), have a decency to shut
up by accepting your self exposed feelings about Moslems (be it Azeri, 
Bosnian, Turk, etc.).  Because these lines tell it all beyond any doubt
on what kind of feelings you espouse regarding Moslems in general.

C. Akgun
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.croatia