From: aflynn@osc.COM (Anthony Flynn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: In response to Jon Livesey, also stand on EC, Maastricht and the Ani
Summary: The EC, the end of the World, and Dave
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:21:31 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.british
Organization: Versant Object Technology, Menlo Park, CA

In article <DiFRRB7w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:

>Yo!! To the point!! I am first and foremost a Briton, not a U.S.er, and I
 
  "Yo"...? That's not very British..!

>don't adhere to ANY U.S. philosophy, secularly or politically speaking.

  Except free trade, Christian Fundamentalism and an irrational fear
  of European union. I notice you only exclude secular and political
  philisophy - not religious philosophy.

>I am in favour of worldwide free and fair trade amongst labour and capital.

  I seem to remember your recent "epic" posting about re-forming the empire
  in which you made the movement of labour dependent on qualifications, as in:

    >>WE must always give the job to the person who is deemed the most
    >>capable, despite ethnic origin, religion, political belief and
    >>whatever else that can be listed.  And for immigration, immigrants
    >>must meet the same critiria as metioned above.

How does this tie-in with "free and fair trade amongst labour and capital"..?

...
>
>Politically, historically and nationally,  attempts to unite Europe have ended
>in a major botch.  Napoleon plundered Europe to make France the greatest
>dictatorship and most hated one of its time.  Similarly with Hitler.  I do see
>a similar pattern if a USE head of state is chosen.  This person would be MORE
>corrupt than Hitler, Stalin and Napoleon put together.  And we have the
>technology to do it.

  Wake up Dave! Think! They were dictators - like the British Royal family
  used to be. They imposed their will by force of arms - like the British
  Royal family used to do. The EC  is democratically controlled, and 
  predicated on values considerably more high-minded than British
  Imperialism. Why would we abandon a system based on liberal democracy
  and adopt a system based on the rights of kings?

  ...and why would a European leader automatically be more corrupt than
  the three dictators you made mention of? Don't babble, Dave; Back-up 
  your claims.

>
>Religiously and morally,  it is written in the Revelation according to John,
>that Rome is going to be the seat of this Empire.  Brussels I do believe will
>get lose to Rome, thus completing this prohecy.  I heard the argument that the
>USA is scared of this because it would mean a loss of its economical
>influence.  WHO CARES ??!!
>

  Just because you and those similarly afflicted with myopic nationalism
  and rampant xenophobia chose to twist the word of God to fit your narrow
  little view of the world, that doesn't mean the rest of us have to agree. 
  There is no basis in reality for this nonsense. You have no evidence that 
  the seat of European administration will move from Brussels to Rome, nor
  that democratic tradition will disappear if it did. You are just 
  twisting  holy writ to corral others into your own narrow little
  world-view.

  And that's Evil...

>What scares me my fellow Britons is that we are being blinded by a dangerous
>offer of power that would sacrifice the British identity!!  Scotalnd, Wales,
>England, is Union with Europe worth selling your sole for?  I say NEVER.
                                                  ^^^^
That's "soul", unless you really are worried about shoe-less Brits.

>Despite the corruption that was the British Empire, Britain would be better
>off going her own trying for a national alliance with the countires that
>retain her majesty as Head of State.

WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?
WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?
WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?WHY?

Why don't you ever back-up your arguments?

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>
>
>Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
>userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
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