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From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Subject: Re: Supreme Court and Homosexuality
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:25:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.105247.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fsars@acad3.alaska.edu (Allen R Sparks) writes:
[stuff about bower's & hardwick deleted, the point was whether the
police had a warrant and whether privacy was invaded]

>
>Now wait a minute.  I think they did have a warrent, though their
>purpose was to search for drugs.  If they didn't have a warrent, they
>had probable cause to be in there (for drugs).  I'm pretty cynical
>about sodomy laws as well as the War on Drugs (tm) too.  But no reason
>to distort the facts.  === Al Sparks

	According to the information I read, and I'll have to look up
the source to give specifics, the police man showed up at the boarding
house where Michael Hardwick lived, to  serve Hardwick with a ticket
for public drunkenness. The landlord told the officer that Hardwick
was in his room and to just go upstairs. Well, the policeman went
upstairs and found Hardwick and another man engaging in oral sex. Now,
the question is whether he entered Hardwicks room without warrant. I
suppose the landlord gave im permission to go upstairs (so no warrant
was necessary because permission was given), but he didn't have
Hardwick's permission to enter the room. Even if the door was ajar he
would have had to open it in order to see what he saw and to charge
the two with violation of the sodomy law.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: vamcnair@eng.auburn.edu (Valerie A. McNair)
Subject: Re: Light-skinned, Dark-skinned, the conflict continues...
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:22:12 GMT

 I just read the article on light-skinned and dark skinned blacks, and I have
 discussed this with several friends of mine.  I am a light skinned female, and
 I am appalled when some brother calls me "REDBONE".  That really makes me
 sick! My boyfriend told me that his sister did not approve  of his previous
 girlfriend because she was "dark" but she like me because I am "light".  How
 shallow can people be. Don't these people realize that that is what the white
 society wants us to believe, that just because we are "light" skinned and
 close to how they look that we are o.k.

 Have you noticed that many of our leaders before the Civil Rights movement
 were light skinned? Why was this?

 I am sick of this skin thing! I am light but I be damned to think that that is
 right! I know plenty of guys who will date someone just because they are light
 and can be "toe down ugly".  What's up with that? 

 One thing we need to realize as a people that we are all beautiful no matter
 what shade of brown we are! Let's appreciate ourselves and build one another
 up instead of tearing one another down with such comments as "He was black as
 the bottom of my shoe," or "he was so black, he had to smile so I could see
 him." The junk is not funny! Let's remember that.

 Our people have been brought up with the concept that being darker skinned is
 wrong.  My roommate, for years, thought she was not attractive, because
 someone in middle school told her she was too dark.  What a complex to place
 on a child.

 WE NEED TO STOP THIS!

 I am off of my soapbox now.

 Val

--

Valerie McNair           *** "Loyalty to petrified opinions never yet broke
vamcnair@eng.auburn.edu  *** a chain or freed a human soul."  --- Mark Twain
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: The Golden Bowe (The Holy Field)
Date: 17 Nov 1992 14:08:33 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
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In article <stovall.722029047@ficus.cs.ucla.edu>,
stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall) writes:
>
>In a monumental spectacle of human heart and human will, of human courage
>and human skill, in an event that evoked the mythopoeia of "El Momento
>de la Verdad" aka "The Moment of Truth" aka "Leonard-Duran I", the great
>but until now unappreciated fighter Evander Holyfield was pounded into
>submission by an opponent who was younger, stronger, and who could knock
>men out with either hand: Riddick Bowe. But not before Holyfield delivered
>a message in the sanctum of the Mirage Hotel, a revelation of the black
>man's soul, wherein the power of interior victory consumes all exterior
>defeats. And not before Bowe ventured across the boundary of the knowable
>into the uncharted territory of one of the greatest 10th rounds in the
>history of boxing, and found out who he was: the heavyweight champion of
>the world. We will never see more courage displayed by two men in a ring.
>
.
.
Scuze me, Steve, but have you read Gerald Early recently?  He's
written some essays on black boxing.
.
Wadda shame we won't be checkin Evander anymore.  Dude was cute.
Shame to mess up brother man's face and mind with all that DUSHing.
However, Bow-man appeared to be the first serious brother on the
block for Mr. Holyfield after those comedy shows with George
Foreman.  Maybe my man will work harder next time.
From: llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Spike Lee
Date: 19 Nov 1992 00:02:45 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics
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In article <1992Nov18.153308.18477@Princeton.EDU> bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan) writes:
>In article <ISBELL.92Nov15123151@panther.ai.mit.edu> isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
>>mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>>|>You obviously don't understand the logic of this.  One day out  
>>|>of school is worth going to see this movie. [...] 
>>
>>|You know maybe I'm missing something, but why not take them after
>>|school or during the weekend?  [...]
>>
>>Aside from Spike Lee's comments that he did not advocate this and that
>>his comment was taken out of context..
>
>Well, I saw him advocating this just two days ago on network TV.  He also
>did an interview recently with Pia Lindstrom, who as far as I know, is white.
>I think Spike says whatever he thinks will sell movie tickets:
>  Controversy --> Publicity --> Ticket Sales
>I intend to see the movie in any case, and take my kids, on a weekend.
>
>Barbara Vaughan
>

He kinda spoke from both sides of his mouth last night on Nightline...
Ted Coppel asked him about his having said kids should skip school and
go watch the movie - first he said he was misquoted but then he went
on to say that it wouldn't be any different from what he did when he
was in grade school (I think he went to watch the nutcracker or some
such thing - it was like an education outting, I think)...


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From: leonid@spss.com (Leonid Feygin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: African-American or African
Summary: why african-americans call themselves africans?
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:45:58 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

Will someone kindly explain to me why some African-American public
figures call themselves "Africans".  Is that for shortness or is it
some kind of a political statement?
--
Leonid Feygin     SPSS, Inc.     leonid@spss.com     (312) 329-3639
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: The origin of AIDS
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:02:17
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
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In-reply-to: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU's message of 17 Nov 92 12:20:42 GMT

bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:
|isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
|>How's this:  I'll bet all you smart people can come up with five
|>reasons why someone would try to create or distribute this disease.

|I notice, however, that *you* are unable to come with
|a single one.

No, you noticed that *I* did not list any.  This does not mean that I
cannot come up with any or that I have not come up with any.  I'm
sure, upon reflection, that you will see the difference.  

In fact, coming up with reasons aren't too difficult.  One only has to
explain the behaviour of participants in the Tuskegee Experiment, the
gassing of kurds, the cleansing of "inferior" tribes in former
Yugoslavia, the herding and systemic killing of Native Americans, the
SS and any of a number of such events.  No matter what side of the
Aids Conspiracy Theory(tm) you land on (or if you don't really care,
like me), there is hardly a dearth of precedents for abominations.


--
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From: Jeff.Strabone@dartmouth.edu (Jeff Strabone)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: New Malcolm X biography
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:56:00 GMT
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 <ISBELL.92Nov17014108@panther.ai.mit.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <ISBELL.92Nov17014108@panther.ai.mit.edu>
isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:

> I ask myself the same question:  why do I call him Malcolm X instead
> of El Hajj Malik El Shabazz?

For the record, he changed his legal name twice.  First to Malcolm X
and then to Malik Shabazz, not el-Hajj Malik el-Shabazz, as everyone is
fond of calling him.  Hajj is one of many Islamic titles, the lowest in
fact and signifying nothing more than having made the hajj to Mecca. 
el-, or according to some transliterators al-, is a common feature of
Arabic (not necessarily Muslim) names and functions sort of like Mc or
O' except that it is not considered the beginning of the person's name.
 For example, Anwar al-Sadat would be alphabetized under S.

How do I know for sure that his name was Malik Shabazz and not el-Hajj
Malik el-Shabazz aside from common sense telling me?  I read the notes
to Perry's biography of X, and many of the sources were legal documents
(deeds, court papers, etc.) which invariably referred to "Malik
Shabazz".

BTW, I read in Newsweek today that among the notables with roles in the
film are Bobby Seale and William Kunstler.  I won't give away the
identity of the figure who reads an X speech at the movie's end.

Jeff Strabone
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Ignorance
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 12:54:12 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: Friends of Lenny Bruce

        >Has anyone on this net noticed that our friend Philip "Peewee 
        >Herman" Stromer is NEVER wrong???

It's common knowledge that I'm the smartest person in the WORLD, so of
course I'm usually right.  Aw shucks...I'm ALWAYS right (of course).

        >Hey, Phil, it would be nice if, in between all of the hot air, 
        >blatant stupidity, and downright ignorance, you throw in a fact 
        >or two to back up your claims.  
        
Okay, here's one:  Spike Lee didn't portray one single white person        
sympathetically in his new movie.  Where's the reference to Goodman,
Chaney, and Schwerner?  I know, you don't know anything about them.
Figures, you Farrakhan disciple.
        
        >Something I learned in English class a long time ago is that an 
        >argument is worthless without textual evidence or some kind of
        >fact.  
        
Sounds more like a philosophy class to me.        
        
        >Judging by the quality and content of most, if not all of your
        >posts, it appears that you must have been absent from school that 
        >day.

A lame attempt at a flame.  Is that the best you can do?

        >get your head out of your ass!  
        
Hey, I'm not the shit worshipper.  I'm opposed to rootslurpers having        
special privileges.

        >Unless you can come up with SOUND proof that Magic is bi, ie. you 
        >had sex with him yourself, get a life 
        
Isiah Thomas says Magic is bi (homo).  One poster to SCAA says he has seen        
Magic's doctor's chart and it says "bi" (homo) on it.  I can't produce
SOUND proof, because you won't accept anything less than a videotape.

I've actually seen Magic and Isiah KISS on the lips at the start of games
against each other.  There!  Living proof that they're both FAGS!

        >It's ashame how a college student can know so much more than a 
        >full grown adult.

At least I know that "a shame" is two words, unlike yourself, Mr. College
Student (tm).  Maybe you'd better attend a few more English classes before
you try to get into an argument with the world's smartest person.

Spike Lee is a bigoted racist.  Anyone that says "black people" can't be
racists, are stupid.  Farrakhan is a racist.  Maxine Waters is a bigot.

Clinton is an idiot if he lets in the Haitians.  They're carrying AIDS,
and we don't need more AIDS, we need less AIDS.

Nelson Mandela is a big dick.  He's a commie, and he's buddies with
Fidel Castro.  30 years in prison has rotted his brain.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: jac1@ra.msstate.edu (Jennifer Cox)
Subject: Re: Could this possible be true?!
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:07:49 GMT

das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:

>This definitely is one of the most bizarre rumors I've heard recently:

>A friend this weekend told me that an acquaintance of his from Missisippi
>told him that there is a movement in the South by the KKK and others of their
>ilk to reinstitute slavery!  Anyone heard of this?

I don't know about that.  The newspapers down here haven't mentioned
it.  I wouldn't doubt it though.  David Duke is out of work and
needs some more money and hate mail.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis)
Subject: Re: D.C. Statehood
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:30:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.040730.8038@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>
>An excellent reson to oppose it is that it would mean that people in
>L.A., NY, or anywhere else would have only a fraction of the voting
>power as people in DC.   
>
>Two Senators for that one town would be a real injustice, 
>
read the subject line.  this thread is "d.c. statehood" not "d.c. townhood".
since senators are allocated 2 per state [regardless of population] giving
the people of d.c. senate representation is no more "injustice" than anywhere
else.

if you're trying to make your arguement based upon the size of washington d.c.'s
population vs. ny, la, chicago, etc. then to follow your logic [or more accurately
lack thereof] we'd have to take away the senators for alaska, wyoming, montana,
vermont, new hampshire, north dakota, south dakota, rhode island, etc.

you get the picture...

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From: will@alice.att.com (WAM)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: AT&T summer jobs and fellowships
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:25:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24251
Reply-To: will@alice.UUCP ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T, Bell Labs




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        Holmdel, NJ 07733-1988
From: Charlie Fulton <charlie@isis.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: Homosexuality
Organization: Ctr for Advanced Rsrch in Oppressive Binarisms
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:43:41 GMT

In article <sN05TB1w163w@peewee> Philip Stromer, 
peewee@infoserv.com writes:
>You're talking about sex, because that's the only thing important to gay
>people.  It's WRONG to be gay, you're not born that way, and you'll get
>AIDS if you don't stop, and real soon.  It's no coincidence that everyone
>that gets AIDS is gay.  Magic is bi (same thing as gay), and I'll make
a...

About your username: are you referring to Paul "Peewee Herman" Rubens,
the homosexual comedian?  Why on earth do you adopt the name of
someone who belongs to a group you so cleary despise?

Charlie
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Alarming News
Date: 19 Nov 1992 11:48:01 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <92323.2245133ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>,
Robert Newby <3ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
>I do not have first hand information.  I'm getting this third hand from
>someone who knows a faculty member at SUNY-Albany.  Evidently there was
>a young black male found hung in Albany.  At first the death was labelled
>a suicide.  The parents objected because that behavior was uncharacteristic
>of their son.  At present the investigation is continuing. Until now
>
>there are no witnesses.
>    There was a similar case in Columbia Missouri about two years ago.  No
>was has been charged in that case.  It is an unsolved case that law enforce-
>ment has labelled a suicide.
>    Seems like they're doing it in the still of the night.
.
.
They do it in California, too.  Some years back, a young black man
(who was later found to be gay) was found hung in a tree near a BART
station in one of the burbs away from Oaktown.  It upset a lotta
black folks, because apparently he had been hanging there for some
time and it took a shocked commuter to take a good look to know it
wasn't a Halloween prank and call the cops.  They called it suicide,
too. The NAACP and other black folks were not so convinced.  Correct
me, Northern California netters, if I'm wrong.
From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: D.C. Statehood
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:38:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com

In article <1992Nov19.040730.8038@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
|>  
|> An excellent reson to oppose it is that it would mean that people in
|> L.A., NY, or anywhere else would have only a fraction of the voting
|> power as people in DC.   

People in LA, NY, etc. already have only a fraction of the
voting power as people in Montana, Alaska, Vermont, etc.

That's the way the U.S. Senate was designed.

How do you propose to give DC's people representation?

(Actually, my preference would be to give all the residential
parts of DC back to Maryland.)

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: richard@auvax1.adelphi.edu
Subject: Posting Of Afrika Unbound (was Re: Black Students Rally At Adelphi)
Organization: Adelphi University, Garden City NY
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:18:29 GMT

In article <rjp.1.721965898@psda.jvnc.net>, rjp@psda.jvnc.net (Ron Plummer) writes:
> In article <1992Nov16.200857.1@auvax1.adelphi.edu> richard@auvax1.adelphi.edu writes:
>>From: richard@auvax1.adelphi.edu
>>Subject: Black Students Rally At Adelphi
>>Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:08:57 GMT
>> On The Rally 
>>
>>Note.  These are just the bare bones details, and the reasons would take up 
> the
>>entire Delphian and then some.  For further info, obtain a copy of the 
> next
>>issue of Afrika Unbound, coming out in December.  Otherwise, inquiries 
> may be
>>directed to me via the Caribbean Club Box in U.C. 109.
>>
>>Richard Dennison
>>President, Caribbean Cultural Awareness Club
>>Chairman, Afrikan 
> Concerns Association
>>
>>
> 
> Is it possible to post copies of "Afrika Unbound" on this news group
> or make it available (via ftp) to interested partie?
> 
>                                                       rjp

I am working towards this. The reason why this was not done before is because
Afrika Unbound, in trying to remain an all Black publication (Black
advertisers, Black writers, Black sponsors, etc.) have enlisted the services of
a Black printer who has not advanced to using computers to do his layouts (all
physical).  But fear not, the aim is for mass communication of ideas and before
the year is out a ftp site should be created for Afrika Unbound.  Peace....but
NOT without justice! 

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