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From: mxr@neptune.dsc.com (Max "Spectral Hootenanny Honker" Rible)
Subject: Re: Sandman, JSA, etc.
Organization: Digital Sound Corporation
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:25:40 GMT

tsm@access.digex.com (The Secret Man) writes:
>And, as has been noted before, what should really happen is that JSA should
>get up and go after this guy who (kinda) offed Hector Hall.

>First... given that Morpheus comes and goes from our "real" world pretty much
>as he pleases, and *not* by taking the bus, the JSA pretty much have to go and
>confront him on his home ground.

Oops.

>Second... can you imagine their difficulties in *getting* to where this "guy"
>comes from?  Somehow I can imagine how Dr. Fate's going to react when they say
>they're going to fight this "villian" Morpheus, and need a lift getting where
>he comes from.

I only know Dr. Fate from a few appearances in other comics.  He seemed
(or is the helmet on a woman at the moment?) to have traded his sense of
humor to the Lords of Order in exchange for superpowers; I suspect he might
just open a gate leading toward the Houses of Secrets and Mystery and let
the JSA make their own trouble.  They ought to be able to learn from it...

>Third... actually, their passage through the Dreaming could actually provide
>a lot of amusement...

It could be great!  They end up having to take tea with Cain and Abel while
they each tell stories which reveal that the JSA was merely in a simulated
Ragnarok and something else disturbing.  They try to make their way to
Morpheus' palace, pause for entirely too long in Fiddler's Green, take
a detour through the Shifting Zones, and then eventually show up, battered
and weary, on Dream's doorstep.

>and Lastly, as someone else noted, since their "defeat" at Dream's hands is
>a forgone conclusion (given that any other result would probably interfere
>unduly with Gaiman's control of his characters), perhaps the writers just
>aren't feeling up to going through the motions on this one.  Done with style,
>it could be interesting and funny, but it wouldn't advance anyone's plots, or
>serve *any* purpose but to clean up a tiny continuity glitch.

"If you would do battle with a dreamlord, you shall fight it in dreams..."
Sandman #7, paraphrased.
"This is the Heart of the Dreaming...  Reality here conforms to my wishes.
No more, no less."  Sandman #27, paraphrased.  (I should keep copies of
the books at work.  I wonder what my supervisor would think.)

Anyway, what do people know about Sandman Mystery Theatre, which is
supposed to have something to do with Wesley Dodds, and may actually
clear all this up?
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From: stailey@snoopy.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey)
Subject: Re: THE Spider-man artist
Reply-To: stailey@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:20:13 GMT
Keywords: McFarlane,Dikto


*>Thats sort of my view. Bisley is THE Lobo artist just as MacFarlane is THE
*>spiderman artist. I may get the rest of Lobo's Back because when I get a
*NOT!!! THE Spider-man artist has to be Steve Dikto.  His work is the 
*definitive version of the web-slinger.  Ditko's story telling techique
*blows McFarlane out of the water.  I bet in ten years people will be
*saying "Dikto's run on Spider-man remains the best ever. Much better
*than that stuff done in the adjectiveless title when it first started.
*What was that guy's name?"


 Well, let's not forget John Romita Sr. The definitive Spiderman
 has a lot to do with the work done by Stan Lee, Steve Ditko, and
 John Romita. I wouldn't exactly put MacFarlane real high up on 
 that list.

 --
 Michael                      
 stailey@comm.mot.com     


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From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Subject: Personal: finally back to net.land...
Reply-To: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 16:28:25 GMT


After 2 months of involuntary down time (BTW, the service
 staff at Dickinson College SUCKS!!!), I'm back to rac.

Picked up the last two Doom Patrols + Sandmen.  Fun stuff.
 I'm glad that Cliff Steele isn't dead, and the little
 mysteries about Eve, Cain + Abel are quite nice.

Unfortunately, that's all that my comic store had for me
 (not quite true: they were also putting X-Force in my box.
 Bleah).  So that means I've missed several issues of:

Dark Horse Presents
Miracleman
Cerebus
Grendel
Taboo
Deadline
and other similar stuff.

Please update me on how many issues of each have come
 out since late June.
-- 
Francis A. Uy       PD @ WUMD, CTY Instructor @ Carlisle
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: San Diego Comic Con news
Date: 22 Aug 92 03:17:07 GMT
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.

In article <52_nz2b.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>>In case you were wondering, that purple robed figure in a recent New Titans
>>was indeed supposed to be Destiny, but permission wasn't granted by the
>>Sandman people to use him, thus the change in name.
>So it was just one of your generic omniscient robed beings handcuffed
>to a book.  Just as I figured...

And a case of "Sandman continuity appropriates regular continuity, and because
Gaiman has a veto the characters are forevermore unusable in regular
continuity" actually happens....
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
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From: pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler)
Subject: DC: Swamp Thing & Hellblazer TPBs (was San Diego)
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:09:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.091815.6864@teetot.acusd.edu>, jerry@teetot.acusd.edu (Jerry Stratton) writes:

> Original Sins, the Hellblazer paperback, will sport a Dave McKean cover.

This is supposed to be out already, isn't it?  How do its issues compare
to Alan Moore's Swamp Thing or Gaiman's Sandman?

> Q: Swamp Thing trade paperbacks?
> A: Nope. They haven't worked out a Vertigo trade paperback program.

Haven't people been pestering them for years now for TPBs of Alan Moore
issues since Love & Death?  Is there some good reason they didn't come
out years ago?

I've been buying Sandman for a year now, and I thought Moore's Watchmen
and Love & Death issues were okay, but after reading some of _Saga_ this
past week, I think it may be the best I've ever read.  I want more!!

	-dp-
From: levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Portacio
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:22:55 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <BtBz2v.E02@matilda.vut.edu.au>, jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell) writes:
> What is your opinion of Whilce Portacio as a penciler? I 
> think he is probably the best and most underrated of the
> IMAGE crew. 
> 
        Whilce is okay.  I first saw examples of Whilce's work in Punisher when
I was bored one day, with nothing to read.  I picked it up and thumbed through
it and thought it wasn't bad.  There was a certain style to it that I
appreciated (this was before artists like Jim Lee, Art Thibert, and to a lesser
degree Rob Liefield adopted the same style).  Whilce's work on Punisher looked
a little stiff in areas, but it seems that with time and practice, he has   
made some progress with that problem. 


>What do fan boys think of him? Do they worship him like they do Liefield?


        I don't know what the fanboys think, but there hasn't been much hubub
about him either way.  Liefield on the other hand, hoobooy.......


> His run on X-Factor produced the best storyline on that
> book (Yakuza cybernetic thingo) and I'm wondering what
> other stuff he has pencilled. I got Legion of the Night
> #1 and #2 but nothing else came out. Does anybody know
> what happened with it? It's very hard to find out this
> sort of stuff in Australia and we have less fanboys.


        Like I said, I saw him on Punisher, but I'm not that familiar with much
else.  And BTW, Legion of the Night was a two issue limited series that was
supposed to be the launching ground for Marvel's horror line.  So you got them
all.

                                                S H Y L O C K
From: mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Joyous Day??(was Re: DC Shakeup??)
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:50:13 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame


 mwinston@lust.reed.edu (Michael J. Winston) writes:
> bjm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Bobbie J.  
>Mann) writes:
>> Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

   [minor bit about Jonathan Peterson having no talent..]  

>> Actually, Peterson did quit DC...while at the Con.  Seems he's going to  
>write
>> a book with the Image gang.
>
>Is this a joke?  It's gotta be a joke.  I assumed that only *popular* (by  
>fanboy standards) people worked for Image.  Although, now that I think  
>about it, Peterson would fit write in since his total crap writing is at  
>the same level of most of the Image gang.

 Hmmm, I'm confused, the origianl article was about LSH, so I sort of
assumed that it was Brandon Peterson (the artist) that was meant, even if
the original poster wrote Jonathan Peterson. Is Jonathan Peterson the 
current writer for one of the Titans books? All I remember him writing 
was a purely horrific couple of stories in Captain Atom's waining days.

	These literary treats included: "Pops" the most powerful DC
telekinetic, and "Killer Zombie Dolphins" - a team up with Aquaman. 

	Personally, I like J Brandon Peterson's artwork, especially if
he isn't rushed. Others feel otherwise. Didn't Peterson (the artist)
have a friend who posted occasionally?
--
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu       "Come, come Slygg..."                    +
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                                                  +
From: ian@airs.com (Ian Lance Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Popularity in Comics (was Liefield Throws Tantrum)
Date: 22 Aug 92 04:37:48 GMT

wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:

>In the early 1960s, Marvel pandered to adolescent comics readers, and
>it paid off.

I don't think that is a fair comparison.  Compared to the comics that
DC was producing, Marvel's were in some ways more intelligent and
sophisticated.  There were essentially no independents back then,
unless you count Mad Magazine.

Technically it's true that Marvel was pandering to adolescent comics
readers, but they were doing it as a step up from pandering to ten
year olds.

It's kind of depressing that comic book companies succeed by aiming
their books at a younger audience, one which in general has less
disposable income than (I expect) most of the people reading this
post.  It emphasizes what a minority adult comic readers are in the
U.S.
-- 
Ian Lance Taylor                ian@airs.com                uunet!airs!ian
First person to identify this quote wins a free e-mail message:
``I would prefer my life to contain more hours of pain, if that means
  that none of this pain is still to come.''
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From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Subject: Re: CEREBUS: M&D 10 (spoilers)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:20:45 GMT

ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu (Eric J. Olson) writes:

>In article <Bt01Kr.LLs@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ndj20710@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nathan D. Johnson) writes:

>>What I am wondering is, who is the bishop? Powers hasn't shown up recently, but
>>I don't know why he would want to save Julius. 

>Punisheroach.

I would bet much more strongly on Elrod.  He has actually been "moving" 
recently, while Punisheroach has mostly just stood there.

>Eric Olson <ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu>

Alexx

Alexx@world.std.com
"clone, n. -- 1. An exact duplicate, as in "our product is a clone of their
 product."  2. A shoddy, spurious copy, as in "their product is a clone 
 of our product."
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun)
Subject: Dealer horror stories (was Re: San Diego Con Horror Story)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:32:29 GMT

In article <aj9m5#=.akuma@netcom.com>, akuma@netcom.com (Steven E Barnes) writes:
> 
> Scene in dealer room, with Fanboy looking at issues of
> Youngblood #1:
> 
> Fanboy: "How much?"
> Dealer: "$3.00 each"
> Fanboy: "I'll take all of them"
> Dealer: "OK, that's 33; take two more comics and I'll call it an even
>          $100"

I have a better one for you:

	Remember X-FORCE #1?  The one with the "pre-bagged with
	five different trading cards" gimmick?  I remember this one
	kid walking in and taking EVERY SINGLE COPY on the shelves and
	plopping them on the counter.  About 70 copies or so.  While
	browsing around, I found a copy that had somehow ended on the
	shelf behind where the X-FORCE copies used to be.  I took it,
	brought it to the kid, and said:  "Here's another one".

	You could see the panic on his face as he saw the one copy of
	X-FORCE that would be left for someone else to buy if he
	didn't GRAB IT FIRST!!

	I didn't have the heart to tell him about the two long boxes
	of X-FORCE Jamie (the owner) had upstairs...

Anyone have more horror stories from Fanboy Hell?
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
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From: dbasinge@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Mike Basinger)
Subject: Re: News from San Diego
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:31:58 GMT


I recently heard that DC is finalizing the deal to get Grimjack.
Perhaps John O. can join in the Vertigo, and keep owner ship of
Grimjack.

Mike
-- 
D. Michael Basinger: Not Speaking for Indiana University or UCS!!!
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From: acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: San Diego Comic Con news
Date: 22 Aug 92 04:15:51 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1992Aug22.031707.9329@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>>>In case you were wondering, that purple robed figure in a recent New Titans
>>>was indeed supposed to be Destiny, but permission wasn't granted by the
>>>Sandman people to use him, thus the change in name.
>>So it was just one of your generic omniscient robed beings handcuffed
>>to a book.  Just as I figured...

Well, Destiny, unlike the other Endless, has been around before.

I remember seeing him in the second Teen Titans - Titans of Myth
story in the early issues of the second Titans series.

Gaiman apparently retroactively made him one of the Endless, so
he may not have as much control over him as the others.
-- 
The world is not analog. The world is digital,
with an incredible number of bits.
Arthur C. Adams (not the comic-book artist)                        <fnord>
E-Mail acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil
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From: carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Subject: DC 1960's Nostalgia Alive and Well (teeny spoilers)
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School
Date: 15 Aug 92 01:29:49 PST

I picked up today's Flash and Green Lantern not expecting to like them very
much. Green Lantern has been okay, though Mosaic is much better (but I've
walked that ground already, so I'll shut up here) and Flash hasn't been the
same since Messner-Loebs left. When I saw a team-up (excuse me, "cross-over"...
we don't have "team-ups" anymore), I figured it was another $5 (four-parts)
that was lost to the completist in me.

I was treated, instead, to some of the most nostalgic feelings I've had since
"Christmas with the SuperHeroes" #2 (which is a _good_ thing.)

Green Lantern and Flash team up to fight a giant gorilla and a man with a giant
head (Grodd and Hector Hammond, but my fiancee insists that descriptions like
"Gorilla-Man" and "Big-Head" are much more enjoyable to use. It's true... try
describing any of the Image characters in terms like that and you'll see why
they aren't any good!) Anyway, back to my point.

The story includes talking monkeys, the old Flash Museum (with curator Dexter
say-it-with-me Myles), cover copy like "Today- these puny heroes-- tomorrow-
the WORLD!", one of the best super-speed-at-use-at-home scenes and, the
crowning achievement...

The next issue of Green Lantern's cover has Flash with a giant head and Green
Lantern turning into an ape.

If you don't get why this just fills me with enough youth to stave off my
birthday, you won't appreciate the story. But if you loved covers like "Buy
this comic... or I'll cease to exist!" you'll be in for a treat.

How to get your Marvel friends to buy it: Crossover, crossover, crossover.

-----
Douglass Barre - carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu
"Okay, who gets the ham-on-rye and who gets the leaves and twigs, huh? Haw,
haw!" -- _Green_Lantern_ #30
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From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Recent Releases
Date: 20 Aug 92 08:57:37 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:

>Archer & Armstrong is just brilliant. Easily valiants best title. I
>didn't like it at first, but it keeps getting better and better. I hope
>BWS stays with this title for a long time. Also, there was good news
>regarding The Eternal Warrior since it seems that BWS will be taking it
>over in #6. Should do wonders to improve an otherwise boring title.

BWS art looks hopeless in this title. I've only seen a bit of his Conan
stuff and Weapon X and I enjoyed it. Unfortunately the art in Archer
& Armstrong is weak. The difference between Weapon X and A&A is so
extreme you cannot tell it is the same artist.

Jed

We dont need another X-title
We dont need another Spiderman title
We dont need another Batman title
We dont need another Superman title
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: "How to be a super hero?"
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:57:11 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

us279764@mmm.serc.3m.com (Philip . Miller) writes:
>Several weeks ago there was some discussion in this
>news group about a book titled something like:
>_How to Become a Superhero_.  I've looked for this

>Could somebody help me out with the title and author?

That was me.  I'll look it up at home and post it all, and the ISBN
number. 
-- 
Anyone who wakes me at 6AM had better have a cash prize or a strip-o-gram.
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: ATTN: Fantasy-adventure fans!
Keywords: Roadways
Date: 21 Aug 1992 17:34:36 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx


	Disclaimer: I have nothing to do with Roadways other than reviewing
an advance xerox of #1 and sending a letter (which they printed, I'm famous ;-).

	Anyway, Roadways is a good story.  It is not for the Youngblood 
crowd.  It's for people who want to see an intelligent story, and compentant
art.  Here's the LOC I wrote:

        Well, so far you've got your standard "Modern day schlub taken
to fantasy world" plot.  It's nice that John's walking the line between
totally clueless and totally competant, the two extremes you often
see.  However, it's still pretty standard.  The art's (in the xeroxes)
is also fine, though I'll wait until I see it on newsprint before
giving it a final judgement. (One possible art flaw is that the magic
river doesn't really look magical in the xeroxes.  Perhaps when it's
printed, it could have some funky greys or something to make it look
more magical.)
[Note: they didn't change it any, so unfortunately, it looks just like
a regular river.]
        Anyway, you do manange to come out in the begining and
explain a couple of things, which many writers, especially on TV
skip, like why everyone speaks English  (by the way, does that
mean that Emily could speak all of Earth's languages from American
English to Outback Aborigine, or does she just speak whatever's
being spoken to her?) so you get definate points for that.
        So here's my opinion:
Plot: B (Since this was basically an setup issue, there wasn't much
         plot other than what was necesary to get the characters together.)
Technical: B+ (You handled the magic/dimensional stuff with a minimum of
         handwaving, and the line about "reality is like a sandwich" was
         funny.)
Characterization: B (There's a very good handle on John. Em and Graetwist
         don't get as much exposure, but Graetwist is well developed.
         I'd assume Em gets more exposure in future issues.
Art: B+ May gain or lose points depending on how it looks in a comic book.
        People looked like people.  Things looked like things.  The boat
        even looked right (my folks are sailors, and you wouldn't believe
        what some people will draw for boats).  Everyone had their
        own face, which is I always give extra credit for.

-- 
Rick Jones				Systems Support Center
albert@bcm.tmc.edu			Baylor College of Medicine
Voice: 713-798-7352			standard disclaimers apply
	"Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball."-Saturday Night Live
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: RAC Shakeup DFANDOM is Born, and a question for whoever...
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:34:50 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Distribution: na
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

sl859@cc.usu.edu writes:

>In article <1992Aug13.030053.305@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>> This will replace r.a.c. along with all the other r.a.c.stuff
>>      rec.arts.comics.dvandom
>Dave,
>	I'm kinda hoping that this thread is true!  I mean I showed your
>story to a bunch of teenage girls that my sister hangs out with and they
>went bonkers!  ( OK it wasn't YOUR story, but nonetheless you are becoming
>a rac icon! (The story I refer to is "The Day the Earth Cringed" (Ship of
>Fools (by Michael Molinsky (BTW how is he!? (In Idaho still? (I wonder how
>many parenthesis I can nest before I crash this thing!  ( Its starting to
>look like a LISP program ( if you don't understand what LISP is then you
>are blessed! (and why should you ! (this is rac.misc (rec.arts.comics.misc 
>(Right?  (Now where was I ( oh gotta unparenthisize this whole mess (I
>guess I should start now! ))))))))))))))))  Did I get them all? 

    You should use Emacs. It would balance all of your parenthesis for
you.

--
-Hades (Brian V. Hughes) Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info
		   "A clear case of curare poisoning
	       of one of her Majesty's Cold-Cream Guards"
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