HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets)
Subject: Re: Pinella out??? (was Re: Winning a short series)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:17:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.183811.8813@meaddata.com> brian@meaddata.com (Brian Curran) writes:
>In article <ld66e8INNc0h@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM>, str@maredsous.Eng.Sun.COM (Todd Rader) writes:
>|> Actually, very few fans in Cincinatti should consider Pinella a manager at all.
>|> I hear he either quit or was fired last night.  Anybody have details?
>
>Lou met with Reds owner Marge Schott yesterday to discuss next season.
>Lou's contract is up and he told Marge that he did not wish to return
>to the Reds for 1994.  She tried to talk him out of it but failed.
>He was NOT fired, and he didn't technically resign.  He just didn't
>want to sign a contract with Cincinnati.
>-- 
I find this story impossible to believe.  I think Lou wanted to come back, but
at best Marge was going to make him sweat over it.  She, in fact, did all year,
and when Lou had his scheduled discussion with her, there was probably no leaway
in the battle of stubborn personalities.
My guess is that Bob Quinn won't be back next year, though he has stated publicly
that he wants to return.

RStimets
Date: Monday, 12 Oct 1992 19:41:53 EST
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Weird day at the ballparks
 <1992Oct12.123054.8386@cis.ohio-state.edu>
 <1992Oct12.130731.28148@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>

regarding the fact that announcers always "know" what's being said at
conferences on the mound and such...

my favorite was (sorry, i forget the announcer and players involved) one
time when the pitcher pitched a ball way outside, and after the pitch,
the batter said something that looked a hell of a lot like "yeah"
(definitely monosyllabic) to the catcher.  the announcer then said,
"hey, look, the batter's telling the catcher, 'there's no way you're
gonna get me to swing at something that far off the plate! i'm gonna wait
till you guys give me a fastball belt-high, right down the middle! and
i'm gonna cream it all the way to mars!'" or something to that extent.




Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: (Gerry Gryschuk)
Subject: Re: morris stunk, jays win!
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:39:04 GMT

From article <199211.4235.46190@dosgate>, by "stephen dawson" <stephen.dawson@canrem.com>:
> Cone should win on Monday to put the Jays in the World Series.
> 
> I hope that Atlanta finishes Pittsburgh tonight, so that the Series
> will start on, what, Thursday? That way Gaston should go with Guzman
> instead of pitching Morris again.
> 
> And what a series it should be! Bobby Cox leads his new team against
> his old, led by his old batting coach.
> 

I would just like to point out to other Jays fans that it isn't over yet.
There isn't anything wrong about talking about the future like this, but
if your going to, remember to include the obligatory appeasement of the
Baseball Gods. You know things like "Although I hope the Jays win on Monday
I also hope its a well played game(unlike these last two, Oy the errors)
and that which ever way it goes the best team wins."

Ok so I'm paranoid.
--
Gerald Gryschuk            Saskatoon,Saskatchewan = a place with 9 months
gerry@sask.usask.ca           of hockey and 3 months of poor skating.
Go Habs!!!		             (Maldonado is a bum.)
From: g_waugaman@nac.enet.dec.com (Glenn R. Waugaman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Bonds "choke"?
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:33:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntpd.1992Oct8.164830.16934
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Oct07.221437.25711@watson.ibm.com>, mjones@fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Mike Jones) writes...
>In article <1992Oct7.194501.15226@odin.corp.sgi.com> kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct6.184644.22727@sni.ca> dave@snitor.sni.ca (Dave Till) writes:
>>[terrific essay deleted]
>[indeed. kudos, Dave.]
>>>To put it bluntly:  every time we use the word "choke", we risk killing
>>>another Donnie Moore.  And one is enough.
>>I really liked your post.  Very well written.  It made me think a lot.
>>
>>But, after I while I thought about the other side.
>>According to this theory, there should be a lot of guys killing themselves:
>>Calvin Schiraldi, Bill Buckner, Scott Norwood, any Florida State kicker,
>>Dave Johnson, Serge (sp?) Bubka.
> 
>Well, some of the probably weren't bothered by it. Some of them were
>probably pretty miserable about it. Only Moore was bothered enough to kill
>himself over it. What gives us the right to take that kind of risk with
>other people's lives? It wasn't the home run, it was the fact that after
>that home run, he could never get away from the "choker" label. Hey, these
>are all very good players. Sometimes you get beaten. Give the other guy
>credit for beating you.

Aw, baloney.  Exactly how poorly was Donnie Moore treated by those 
notoriously vicious Angels' fans after he gave up that home run?  As for 
the film clips and the newspaper stories, how can a play as dramatic as 
this one ever be forgetten?  That's the nature of the game, of life
itself.  Around here, Bill Buckner is very bitter about his treatment (and
as opposed to Moore, he's become an eternal symbol of Red Sox futility,
and might have something to complain about), but he just doesn't get it. 
You don't have to be hacked off at Bill Buckner (I'm not) to understand
that the play cannot and will not ever be forgotten, most of all by 
Buckner himself, I'm sure.

Frankly, I never believed the story that the media painted of Moore in 
the first place.  It was classic emotional sports journalism of the type
that is just about universally comdemned in here.  Donnie Moore had some
very serious emotional and family problems.  If it really was that home
run that ultimately triggered his downfall, why was he trying to take his
wife out with him?  Who knows what small part that game might have played
in the overall picture of the man's life, but I just cannot see it as 
a reason to gloss over dramatic events, comprising of winners and losers. 
There are only a relative few jerks out there who make it out to be a 
judgment on life...

---
Glenn Waugaman
Digital Equipment Corporation
Littleton, MA
g_waugaman@nac.enet.dec.com
---
From: RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: john birch society
Date: 11 Oct 92 02:25:37 GMT

who is the pitcher who made a comeback from surgery a year or two (or
three) ago who is a member of the john birch society?  was that doug
drabek?
From: dcbeck@indyvax.iupui.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Braves' Destruction
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:44:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: indyvax.1992Oct14.164429.226

In article <39485@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) writes:
> In article <1bfu0tINNsgn@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>>In article <Bw37GK.Dt2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mfv23060@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Maurice F. Vallejo) writes:
>>>Again pirates 5 , atlanta 0 , 2nd inning.
> 
>>  Didn't Barry jack one in this game? Looks like that choke label might be
>>  starting to slip down his neck a little.
> 
> But this game is out of hand - his homer was meaningless.  All
> of his stats have come in useless situations - the Pirates would
> have won or lost each game regardless of his HR.

Give it a rest.  The game was not over before Barry hit his home run.  Who says
that the game would have gone the same if he had not hit the homer?  Maybe if
Bonds got out Glavine would have pitched a shutout...but we'll never know. 
Bonds is in a lose-lose situation with you.  You don't like him, so if he does
bad he's a choker, if he does good it didn't matter unless it's a come from
behind homer in the ninth inning.  Give Barry some credit.                             


DAVE BECK
DCBECK@Indyvax.IUPUI.edu                 "People's minds are like cement...         
                                          hard as a rock and permanently set."
                                       --A billboard in downtown Indianapolis
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From: leseberg@sj.ate.slb.com (Ralph Leseberg)
Subject: Re: eck chokes again!
Reply-To: leseberg@sj.ate.slb.com (Ralph Leseberg)
Organization: Schlumberger Technologies, San Jose, CA.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 21:37:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.141135.4175@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (|J| Exby) writes:
>
>Sure was nice seeing Eck put on the ol choke collar again!
>pumpin the fist and growling at the Js bench after top
>of the 8th, and then give up the LONG ball to tie the game...
>serves him right.
>
>too bad the mvp and Cy votes have been cast, this As jerk
>doesn't quite deserve all the credit he's been getting.
>Go Js!


I wonder why it is ok for a batter to hop down the first base line with 
his arms waving in triumph after hitting a home run but when a pitcher 
reacts to a strikeout he is called a jerk?

In reaction to the ALCS series, these have to be some of the most exciting
baseball games that I have seen.
From: timl@zulu.mti.sgi.com (Timothy Layman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: eck chokes again!
Date: 13 Oct 1992 00:32:53 GMT
Organization: Mips Technologies Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: timl@mti.sgi.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: zulu.mti.sgi.com

In article <1992Oct12.141135.4175@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU
(|J| Exby) writes:
|> 
|> Sure was nice seeing Eck put on the ol choke collar again!
|> pumpin the fist and growling at the Js bench after top
|> of the 8th, and then give up the LONG ball to tie the game...
|> serves him right.
|> 
|> too bad the mvp and Cy votes have been cast, this As jerk

No, he is not a jerk. Not by a long shot.

|> doesn't quite deserve all the credit he's been getting.

Yes he does, he is either the best or second best reliever of all time.

|> Go Js!
|> 
|> ::j
|> 

...and no, I am not an A's fan, not by a long shot! I am rooting for the Jay's
to win. It would be cool to have a Canadian team in it for the first time ever.

By the way, "choked again"? When did he ever choke before? :^)

Tim.
From: chill@cbnews.cb.att.com (daniel.a.miller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: What the $%#!@& are you talkin' about?!? (was Re: boo jays)
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:02:35 GMT
Organization: AT&T

>In article <Bw5CIK.69u@mach1.wlu.ca>, bellswor@mach1.wlu.ca (bob ellsworth s) writes:
>> let me count the ways i hate you boo jays:
>> 
>> reason 792: jays fans insist on waving the canadian flag at home/away games
>> implying (somehow) that this is a canadian baseball team. WRONG. it is
>> an american team. please don't wave my country's flag at you fuckin'
>> dome no more.                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	This Guy obviuosly is a poor sport!! That is put as nicely as I 
can. Please all of you Canadian's on the net, don't take this one moron's 
comments seriously! The Toronto Blue Jays are the FIRST Canadian Owned Team
to make it to the BIG SHOW!! And they will not be the last! This one 
American congratulates the people of Toronto and Canada! The J's will
represent The AMERICAN League just fine! And who know's, after this
is all over with, OH Canada may have a World Series Champion!!!!

- Dan
Tribe in 94'-95'
From: tmiller@prism.gatech.EDU (Thomas Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: freon Deion
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:22:16 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology



  Has anyone else out there about had it with Deion's antics?  He's a
lot like Ross Perot it seems - changing his mind on a whim.  People
here in Atlanta seem to think he's great, but I don't see how in the
world he's important enough to fly to Pittsburgh Sunday from his
Falcons game just to be able to play in the Braves game (if you
hadn't heard, that's supposedly what he plans to do).  But, I guess
when you have millions to blow, you can do these things...


-- 
Thomas Miller      Georgia Tech Network Services        GT EE 1992 (?!) 
WORK: (404) 853-0254 / Rich Bldg Rm 127, 258 4th St  Atlanta, Ga. 30332
HOME: (404) 351-1017 / 1185 Collier Rd NW apt 2A     Atlanta, Ga. 30318 
Internet:  tmiller@prism.gatech.edu   or   thomas.miller@oit.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: bellswor@mach1.wlu.ca (bob ellsworth s)
Subject: boo jays
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:59:07 GMT


let me count the ways i hate you boo jays:

reason 792: jays fans insist on waving the canadian flag at home/away games
implying (somehow) that this is a canadian baseball team. WRONG. it is
an american team. please don't wave my country's flag at you fuckin'
dome no more.
 
reason 1001: i feel the reason most people in TO (at least) hope for
this stupid team is because it (somehow) brings american recognition 
to their stupid city. they (jays fans) get so annoyed when american
(cbs) announcers do not drool over their stupid baseball team like
the local (dickhead) commentators do.

reason 40995: they bought all their good players anyway.

reason 45: the way the team treated r. ducey (lest we forget dickhead
jay fans as we use the term WE oh so loosely)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: atchison@kazoo.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison)
Subject: Re: Weird day at the ballparks
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:30:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.053907.10245@odin.corp.sgi.com> kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey) writes:
>What is going on?
>
>Eck blows a save.
>Morris gets shelled again.
>Avery gets shelled in Three Rivers where he had two 1-0 wins in the LCS.
>Bonds got a hit when it counted.
>
>And two "did you notice" notes:
>Sean McDonough (sp?) sounds a lot like Bob Costas.
>Jim Kaat mentioned Gibson's HR about 10 seconds before Alomar's blast.
Also:
 McDonough followed up McCarver's umpteenth "Bill Wakefield" by signing off,
 	"Good bye from Atlanta."

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
 Mark Atchison, a.k.a. <atchison@cis.ohio-state.edu>; Graduate Student in the
Computer Science Dept, THE Ohio State University (NOT an Ohio State University)
		Any plagiarisms seen above are not my own...
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: rl24@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Robert Lamoureux)
Subject: Re: Designated Hitter Rule (was Australian Novice Asks Dumb Questions)
Reply-To: rl24@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Robert Lamoureux)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:17:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.154505.21395@stsci.edu> wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:

>But does the AL DH rule *require* that the pitcher not bat?  Could
>either (1) All nine fielders bat or (2) the designated hitter bat in
>the place of one of the other non-pitching fielders?
>-- 
>'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
>                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
>                         Space Telescope Science Institute
>                         Baltimore, MD   21218

Ah, if only the rule *did* allow a team to bat for a fielder.  The 
Red Sox could have batted for Tony Pena all year.

Sadly, however, it is the pitcher who must be replaced by the DH.

Rob L.

Clinton/Gore '92


Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: kev@fred.Berkeley.EDU (Kevin Eckert)
Subject: Re: Weird day at the ballparks
Organization: UC Berkeley, University of California Berkeley
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:09:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.142025.16360@access.usask.ca>, (Gerry Gryschuk) writes:
|> From article <m4mpfkb@lynx.unm.edu>, by kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose):
|> > [stories of 'called' home run shots deleted - referring to Alomar's ALCS Game
|> >  4 blast]
|> > 

	My brother and I were at a Red Sox - A's game in Oakland about
five years ago; I believe Dewey was up ... and my brother points to 
the 400 foot sign in center field and says the next pitch is going deep.
Sure enough, Dewey hit the next pitch out EXACTLY where it had been 
prophesized to go; if you had drawn an imaginary perpindicular (sp?)
line down to the fence where the ball went over it would have intersected
the first '0' in 400.  It was incredible.  My brother has also never let
me forget it .... not that I would have anyway.

-kevin
Date: Wednesday, 14 Oct 1992 20:32:26 EST
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: the ghost of barrywatch

(fourth inning.  none on.  none out.  1-0 pirates.)

taken ball, 1 ball, no strikes
taken ball, 2 balls, no strikes
line out, right field

0-1, 1 bb


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From: hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks)
Subject: Re: The 1992 Ex-Cub All-Stars
Organization: NSSL
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:36:53 GMT

In article <Bw0FzJ.63C@news.cso.uiuc.edu> anderson@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (anderson peter john) writes:
>It's that time of year again, when all of us sufferers sigh and say,
>"What might have been..."
>
(Deletions)
>OF- Joe Carter (34 HR, 119 RBI, 12 SB)
>OF- Mel Hall (.280, 15 HR, 81 RBI)
>SP- Rick Sutcliffe (16-15, 4.47 ERA, 5 complete games)
>
>What the Cubs currently have to show for the above transactions:
>Turk Wendell, Luis Salazar, Sammy Sosa, Ken Patterson, Bob Scanlan,
>Chuck McElroy
>
>Comments:
>4. The Joe Carter trade STILL PISSES ME OFF after all these years.

You really shouldn't complain about Carter, Hall, and Sutcliffe
on the same list.  Without trading Carter and Hall, Sutcliffe 
wouldn't have ever been a Cub, let alone an ex-Cub.  Most of the
Cub fans I know are fairly happy with that trade.  Without it, the
Cubs might not have won the division in '84.  Things might have 
worked out without the trade, but Sutcliffe played a big role in the
Cubs' first title of any kind in 39 years.

Harold
-- 
Harold Brooks                    hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu
National Severe Storms Laboratory/CIMMS (Norman, OK)
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: BUSH CAMP ACCUSES CLINTON OF TREASON
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:20:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: transfer.7307
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com


I'm comfused. Did all this have something to do with Bush's
baseball days at Yale?  

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
From:  (Gerry Gryschuk)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: In Defence of Fair-Weather Fans
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:51:30 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan

From article <1992Oct12.084618.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>, by jpalmer@uwovax.uwo.ca (The Econoclast):
> In Defence of Fair-Weather Fans
> by John Palmer
[a whole bunch of bandwagon rationalizing deleted ...]

All I can say to this John is that although the feeling of cheering for a
winning team is good it is nothing compared to cheering for a loosing team
that eventually gets to be a winning team. Sticking with a team through
its worst times makes the good times infinitely more gratifying. Consider
all the die-hard Jays fans that are right now in a near state of ecstasy,
I submit that you will never know how really good this feels.

I would say I feel sorry for you but I doubt you want or need our pity.
--
Gerald Gryschuk            Saskatoon,Saskatchewan = a place with 9 months
gerry@sask.usask.ca           of hockey and 3 months of poor skating.
Go Habs!!!		             (Maldonado is a bum.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Major Awards Vote - Balloting Over!
Date: 11 Oct 92 02:35:32 GMT
Organization: Boo!

Well, the balloting for the rsb mjor awards '92 is over.  I accepted
two late votes which were mailed this afternoon, but I won't accept
any more late ballots.  There were over 110 participants in this year's
voting, and its going to take me several weeks to tabulate all the votes.
I intend to post the results as soon as the World Series is over.

Thanks to everyone who participated.

Greg
From: re4@prism.gatech.EDU (RUSSELL EARNEST)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: freon Deion
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:50:55 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


In article <70641@hydra.gatech.EDU>, tmiller@prism.gatech.EDU (Thomas Miller) writes:
>   There you go.  I know that he is good at both sports.  I just think
> Braves need him full-time (if they need him at all).  If he strains
> or hurts himself in football, he's useless in baseball...and he did
> seem to make a committment to the latter.
> 
 
You make a good point here. I'm a Deon fan but I'd hate to come up 1 run short
for lack of the best pinch runner. I could care about the Falcons, I really
could.

>   I bet this is really amusing, having Braves fans flame other Braves
> fans.  We're all _really_ having fun now, aren't we? 

You betcha!  Between this and all the hupla setting up for the VP debate, just
how much real work you reccon's gettin done on this campus today?

-- 
"I can't understand it.  Everybody I know needs what I'm selling." - Calvin
 - RUSSELL EARNEST     Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp: ...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!prism!re4
ARPA: re4@prism.gatech.edu
From: G.R.Price@cm.cf.ac.uk (G R Price)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: 1990 Yankees info wanted
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:18:54 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, WALES, UK.
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway


I am joining a simulation league here in Britain, we are replaying
the 1990 season and I am in charge of the Yankees.

I am in desperate need of any possible information any of you may have
so I dont get completely slaughtered.

The pitching seeme to be based around a rotation of

Hawkins
LaPoint
Leary
Cary
Witt (joining mid season)


and a bullpen of

Robinson
Cadaret
Plunk
Guetterman
Righetti
Mills

Who are my best to worst starters?
Who should I use in long relief?
Who should I use as a set up man?
Who should I use to Close?
and who is the best to use as a spot starter?


The offense appears to be

C - Cerone/Geren/Nokes(joins mid season)
1B - Mattingly/Maas
2B - Sax
3B - Verlade/Leyritz/Blowers
SS - Espinoza
OF - Barfield
     Kelly
     Sanders/Hall/Azocar/Washington
Utility infield - Tolleson

What is the best line up (in hitting order) against LHP and RHP?
Has this team got any speed?
Are they any good at sacrificing?


I would also like if anyone has them any season stats for the Yankees 
for 1990 mainly their record, the batting averages, and the pitchers records



Many many thanks in advance for any help


Cheers

Gwyn
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