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In Article 13628 in soc.culture.iranian payman@hardy.u.washington.edu (Payman Arabshahi) writes:

>In October 1980, shortly after the Iraqi invasion, Iraq offered
>a peace proposal.  Needless to say, many lives could have been
>saved, and we could all be living in peace now if we had accepted
>that proposal.  The only problem is that there would no longer

Two years later, Iran retook Khorramshahr, and completely defeated the
Iraqi army inside Iran.  At that point, All the Iraqi divisions involved
in the war were in complete disarray.  Iraq made a peace proposal which
was much less demanding than the one you talk about, and Iran was in
a strong position to dictate its own terms and make sure this war 
doesn't happen again.  At the same time, anybody who knew anything
about military affairs could tell you that there was absolutely no way
Iran could capture Baghdad, or even hold Basra even if it captured it
(which it never did).
The Islamic Republic, however, (the one I am asked not to criticize)
decided to continue the war until "piroozeey-e-nahAee" (final victory),
and rely on emdAd-hA-ye-gheibi (divine acts of help) to win.  
Some traitor military leaders like "Colonel" Sayyad Shirazi  went along
with it, sending thousands of young men for whom they had no regard 
into hopeless battles where they were massacred (and they KNEW they
couldn't win!)  The following six years, as we all know, was a fruitless
attempt to overthrow Saddam.  Also, as we know, most of the casualties and
the destruction (war of cities, tanker war, chemical attacks, etc.) took
place in this six years. The bastards responsible for this carnage are still
in power today, and got where they have over the dead bodies and suffering of
hundred's of thousands, even millions of innocent Iranians and Iraqis .
They were not in it for "Iran" or "territorial integrity".  They were not in
it for their "people".  They were in it for THEMSELVES.  Our country paid
the price.

>be an Iran to live in or to call "home" had we not resisted the
>assault the way we did. Your argument thus could lead to the

We have our country, but it is destroyed.  It could have been prevented
without losing any territory, had our leaders used their brains 
instead of their egos.

>in peace *where*?  Are you suggesting that from now on we leave
>the issue of territorial integrity of Iran up to the world
>court or the UN? I am sure you remember how sympathetic the UN
>was to the case of Iran during the time Iraqi forces were
>clearly in control of large tracts of Iranian land.

Very few people were sympathetic to Iran at the time because of the hostage
crisis.  If our country chooses to completely disregard and violate 
international law, it cannot expect to be protected by it either.  If the
Americans were spies/criminals/etc., much better results could have been
achieved if they had been expelled, and Iran would have had much more 
credibility and dignity.  But again, our leaders were not in it for the country,
they were in it for THEMSELVES.  

>
>-Payman


May your cows give much milk,

Agha Javad
From: massoud@chemteca.sdsu.edu (Massoud Ajami)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: It's too much
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:56:12 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University

In article <1992Oct8.104804.7736@netcom.com> bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:
>From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
>Subject: It's too much
>Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:48:04 GMT
>In article <28600030@hplred.HP.COM> moussavi@hplred.HP.COM (Farshid Moussavi)
>writes:
>
>SalAm farshid khAn:
>
>****  This is not a criticism, but an observation.  I offer it as an observer
>****  and I have no doubt that you did not mean it, but I would like to show
>****  that how DANGEROUS it is to _emulate_ some people's style, even for the
>****  sole purpose of demonstration.  - HFN
>:
>:
>Reading your earlier posts farshid, I would comment that - with all due
>respect to you - you are not and cannot even get close to those sick
>mentalities.  It's not in you man!  You ain't have it, so don't even try to
>emulate it because your implementation would create a poor one.  I have
>read so much positive and rational discussions from you that I wonder why
>one would even want to offer the opposite of what s/he is good at.
>:
>:
>'Scotty, beam us back.' [(c) Captain Kirk, 60's]
>Happy coming back to reason and logic.  :-)
>
>Regards,
>Hooshyar F. Naraghi
>bavafa@netcom.com
>(415) 322-8056
>
>PS.  I do not support the act of homosexuality, although I respect homosexual
>people just like the rest of _us_ humans for they are 'people' first.
>
It seems we all CAN and WILL jump into _that_ arena, just the price is 
different!

Peace and Prosperity!
  ---==< 110 >==---
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Mahin khAnoum roush nemisheh!
Date: 14 Oct 92 08:25:11 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <1992Oct13.013226.2647@EE.Stanford.EDU> mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:

>NOOOOOOO! Remember the shining star of the 92 olympics in Barcelona?
>It was in the openning ceremonies. Remember the guy shooting the arrow?
>

:-).

what does this signature mean anyway?  what Legend?
				
>>>            * ALI BABA, not a legend, but the shining      *
>>>            *       star of the 1996 olmpic                *
>>    		     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

i think a more appropriate signature for ali jaan would be:

	       * ALI BABA, not a Legend, not an Infiniti,  *
	       *     not even a Tercel... just a Yugo.	   *
               *     star of the 1996 Special Olympics     * 
  			  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

that reminds of a yugo joke mack...

q: whats printed on the last page of the yugo owners manual?

a: the local bus schedule!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: Re: Khomainie's Tomb Exploded
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:38:22 GMT

In article <saied.719013615@cwis>, saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*) writes:
> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:
> >> 
> >> It is not really an attempt to kill an already dead akhound
> >> but, at this present moment, such acts shows the level of
> >> hatred towards the symbol of ugliness and filth in our country.
> >> 
> >> Khomeini, and now his corrupt akhounds, have no respect for
> >> human rights and democratic values. They have brought much
> >> misery, destruction, and bloodshed to our people. Showing
> >> hatred and anger towards them is like showing hatred to all
> >> symbols of ugliness. And what better symbol of abhorrent and
> >> ugliness than Khomeini's tomb? If there was any better way
> >> of showing your dissatisfaction, I'd vote for it, but with
> >> akhounds, this is the most effective way. That's the only
> >> way they understand it.
> >> 
> >> I called Iran; my relatives reacted as if another revolution
> >> had taken place. That's how much ordinary people hate the
> >> regime and its symbols.
> >> 
> 
> >If this bombing were not done by Mojahedin terrorists you might well
> >claim that this was a "show of hatred" by "ordinary people". Of course
> >you will proclaim to the world that this was not an act of terrorism by
> >a politically motivated group but rather an expression of disgust by the
> >common people. You Mojahedin are such honest people! NOT!
> 
> >How much blood was shed by the Mojahedin in this bombing in order to
> >protest IR bloodshed?
> 
> >Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
> 
>  
> * The uses of "terrorism" against the Mojahedin backfires: first the
>   Mojahedin have received worldwide recognition for being a
>   liberation movement. 

So its OK for the MKO to use terrorism to achieve its political objectives?
You know, Yitzak Shamir said the same thing; it was OK for Jews to use
terrorism to "liberate" Palestine because it was their homeland. I don't
buy it. 

> Why is that the
> explosion in Khomeini's tomb- the person who has been hated by
> the world- makes you so furious?
> 

What makes me upset is the fact that the MKO will risk the lives of
innocent civilians solely to make a political statement and then will
turn around and misrepresent that action to the rest of the world. This
is a despicable course of action for the MKO to achieve its objectives
and indicates a degree of desparation. This is not the way of democratic
movements. 

Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
From: abbasa@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: OPEN LETTER TO MAHIN AND SAYYID.
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:28:48 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland



I'd like to ask MAHIN and her supporters to *STOP* insulting ISLAM and
the most honourable personalities in ISLAM.  You have right to raise 
questions about every aspect of islam, but you cannot and should not
resort to using foul language against ISLMAIC leaders or riduculing
islmaic believes.  Your articles always carry slur upon ISLAM. You are
women and you deserve respect but if you expect respect in exchange for
insult, you are DEAD wrong.  Here I am not endorsing the way Seyyid
reacted, but his anger is quite understandable. Your remarks are
continuously outraging muslims.  You have boiled our blood by insulting
Hazrath Zainab(s.a).  Why are you insulting her? What did she do to you? 
Which values allows you to do so?  This clearly shows your disrespect for 
islam. Now, I understand why you people are against present islamic govt. 
of Iran. It is, in fact, your blind hatred against islam which has made you
enemy of that. IF you have some personal enmity to Seyyid, you can fight 
with him head on and exchange whichever language your civilization allows 
BUT not on the net and nothing against islam.  

I'd like to request Mr. Seyyid to stop replying tit for tat.  Please 
be patient and do not use the language which is strictly prohibited in 
ISLAM. IF you allow me to say that we cannot attract non-muslims towards 
islam by cursing them.  Let us remember how Prophet (saw) reacted during 
such situations. HE (saw) was well known for his "Akhlaq-i-Hassana"
( marvellous moral values). Let us follow his way.


regards,

Asad.    
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: Get back to your homework Shahrokh!
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 23:24:41 GMT

smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:

>speaking of 'angry', heres another puzzle for you.  but this
>time, open your eyes, read carefully, so you dont have to cry
>foul later, and resort to spending hours creating totally new 
>puzzle just to avoid saying 'i made a mistake'.
>
>there are three words in english that end in 'gry'.  angry,
>as you know personally, is one of them.  what are the
>other two?

Here's another similar puzzle. There are 3 words in English that end
in "ceed". What are they?

All the above and below rules apply.

>you have three days to find them.
>
>awaiting your answer (or entertaining excuses as before).
>
>(people, if you know the answer, dont spoil it!)

    --mack

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: Khuzistan and another quiz
Organization: khuzestan
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:20:44 GMT

In article <BvvHAK.24p@encore.com> samiri@encore.com (Soheila Amiri) writes:

>	- What did it mean when they said someone is "zAree"?
>	- Do you know what "ho be-yo" is?
>	- What is "seper-tAs"?
>    X1	- Where did the name "seek lane" originate from?
>    X2	- Who was a "bacheh KAmbeezy"?
>	- Who was a "day-gol"?
>	- What does the word "fogor" mean?
>	- How about someone who was from "bakhsheh heejdah"?

I am going to chit here on the first one, and go back into that hardly
recoverable dumped core for the second one:

'seek lane' was supposed to refer to the neighbourhood where Sikh Indians
were living.  The irony was that the British would refer to the area as
'sick lane' and finally it was twisted to 'seek lane' for Abadani who would
do a good job of Persianizing the English words!

Per my father who served in the army shortly before the outbreak of the WWII,
there was a park next to the neighbourhood.  He did not remember the name of
the park but the story goes as saying that this was the scene where
Iranian armed forces faced the British Navy when Allied Forces occupied the
south, and some hundred soldiers were slaughtered before they surrended to 
the British.

Could "bacheh kAmbeezy" refer to those 'tooy-e zar-vargh pichideh' kids
(or here they are referred to as 'spoiled').  Sorry, maybe this is a tehrani
attribute.  As for the rest of them, I am not even going to guess.  :-)

I do have one, though:  how about "sekanbaloo."  What is it?

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Ho Ho Ho, Santa Claus is here with a partial FAQ!!
Date: 9 Oct 1992 20:10:08 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <1992Oct8.210027.8902@EE.Stanford.EDU> mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>
>
>--------------------------------cut here--------------------------------
>
>
>Subject: FAQ: soc.culture.iranian - Intro [monthly]
>
>                      Introduction to the
>
>   Soc.Culture.Iranian Frequently Asked Questions (with answers)
>

on behalf of sci: thankyou!  

you know, beside people with net access, this information would
be valuable to any iranian moving to bay area (or the states, or 
anywhere for that matter).

you could even take this idea further and put together a practical 
daanestaneeha-style booklet for the iranian community at large 
(and donate the proceeds to a good cause like funding students, etc).

even better, you could take out a personal loan, rent an office, ... 

ok, ok, i'll stop.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: 79319@novell1.rz.fht-mannheim.de (Hoangquoc-Aninformatik)
Subject: Aids
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 09:49:21 GMT
Organization: Fachhochschule fuer Technik Mannheim
Keywords: ABCD

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri)
Subject: Re: tatmi'e AghA farhAd
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:16:50 GMT

In article seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:
|> In article farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri) writes:
|> 
|> >I third that AghA Sayyed.  Please come down here.  We are very nice
|> >people and  you gona have "chelokabAb e soltAni" and "pAloodeh shirAzi".
|> 
|> Sorry, I am not the right person to "deal" with. First I can not eat your
|> chelokabab because it's not halal meat. Secondly the only way we can be

It is halal meat, we shoot the COW ourselves and the poor chap is
blind folded!


|> nice together, is that you stop mocking people and start learning something
|> from Islam (not from me if that makes you happy).
|> 
|> Seyyed.


Sorry Seyyed joon,  I do not want to learn  your version of Islam
it is too cruel and inhuman,  but  our invitation still stands
and you are  welcome here and the food is definitly  KOSHER!

-- 
         +----------------------------------------------------+
        /   Farhad  Shakeri         E-Mail:                  /
       /  Stanford   University     farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU  /
      / Computer Science Department                        /
     +----------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri)
Subject: Re: Please leave BAHA'IS out of this! (Re: Israel and Khomeini regimes)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:27:29 GMT

In article S.G.Abbas@massey.ac.nz (S.G. Abbas) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> Dear Kamran
|> I am afraid I do not agree with you. The reason is that I have seen and
|> observed from my own eyes in the regime of Shah back in 1976-79, when
|> the Iranian students were taking their courses in Pkaistanis
|> universities. I observed that "one" of those students is very very well
|> off than all others. It can happen to anyone ? But the indepth
|> observation revealed that he is getting about 2.5 times more scholarship
|> money than the other Iranians are getting. The reason was that "the
|> special student" was not only a student but he was also an informer to
|> "someone" about the activities of other Iranian students in the campus.
|> Can you believe that all Iranians will either low their radio volume or
|> turn it off once they will see that "the special student" is approaching
|> towards their room. Because it was not allowed for Iranians to listen
|> BBC News Service, as in those days as that was the only source for
|> Iranian to know what is happening within Iran. This special student was
|> a "Bhahai" and of course he never went back to Iran after graduation
|> from University in 1980. He is now a Pakistani national and living in
|> Quetta.
|> 
|> So, please do not "confrim" that some organization/person is not
|> involved in any activity. In these days, " big people" take work from
|> you (anybody, not specifically Bhahai) and even you do not know that
|> that are working for somebody. Their is a hidden hand who controls such
|> activities.
|> 
|> Ghazanfar Abbas
|> New Zealand.

Oh come on  Gazanfar joon,

Give everybody a break,  you are intelligent enough not to believe
this crap!  Even if the guy was as you said then you should not blame
the entire group for his wrong doing.  I bet you, there are a lot more
rotten moslems in Iran than all bahaiis(sp?) in the world!

The story I heard was that, the savak guy was a JEW.  You can now
blame Israel too. And his mother was english so you can blame the
engleeseeha too.


-- 
         +----------------------------------------------------+
        /   Farhad  Shakeri         E-Mail:                  /
       /  Stanford   University     farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU  /
      / Computer Science Department                        /
     +----------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: keivan@brahms.udel.edu (Keivan Esfarjani)
Subject: Re: Konar, Khuzistan and a quiz
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:33:14 GMT

In article <ldjuohINNbgh@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:
>In article <BvzKts.6Cy@news.udel.edu> keivan@brahms.udel.edu (Keivan Esfarjani) writes:
>
>>What the fuck is a konAr tree?
>

All that sounds very appealing!

>size:		the same size of very black cherries.
>shape:		sphere (almost).  more like a tiny apple.
>taste:		green: tart, cross between apple/pear/?
>		ripe: smooth texture, some sweet, some sour
>color:		yellow/green/red
>tree size:	i think they grow almost at the same rate
>		as walnut trees.
>picking
>techniques:	kids: climb tree, or fire projectile at high velocity
>		at branches bearing high concentrations of the fruit.
>
>		grownups: get the kids to do it.
>
>youre welcome!  but pls dont ask me what the phAk 
>se-pestoon looks like.

Oh don't worry, I have already seen one in star wars.
Thanx again,
K1
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Khuzestan, Pol-e dokhtar (AzarbayejAn)
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:16:52 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

manizh@src.umd.edu (Reza Shahidi) writes:

>>bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:
>>
>>>So I have a question probably from 'khoon garm' khuzestanis people again.  Do
>>>you remember 'pol-e dokhtar?'  Was it somewhere in khuzastan or lorestan?
>>>I vaguely remember my late brother used to tell me that it was the bridge
>>>that linked khuzestan to its neighboring 'ostAn.'  Did it also have any
>>>historical significance in ancient Persia?
>>>Regards,
>>>Hooshyar F. Naraghi
>>>bavafa@netcom.com
>>>(415) 322-8056
>>

>There is another pol-e dokhtar in AzarbayejAn. I think that it is
>somewhere between MeeyAneh and Tabriz. This one has a historical
>significance. As I recall, it was destroyed during World War II.
>It still stands broken up in the middle of mountains. I think that
>it was blown out for defensive reasons during WW II. Perhaps,
>somebody can add more details!

I remember one year instead of going to KHORRAM ABAD
as we usually took to get to TEHRAAN  we took the road
to KERMAANSHAH.  This road brached off the main road close to POLE DOKHTAR.
Of course that is also the road to AZARBAIJAAN (MEEYAANEH VA TABRIZ).
We had a very nice trip to KERMANSHAH and AZARBAIJAAN that year and
I was only 13 at the time and have a lot of nice memories of that trip.
Now, POLE DOKHTAR is in the middle of mountains and it is partly destroyed
(although I do not know the cause).  Could this be the same POL?

Ala



>-Reza
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ahriman@wam.umd.edu (Ahoora joon)
Subject: Re: Purpose of life or creation?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 06:22:36 GMT

In article <BvFMxw.54E@news.udel.edu> keivan@brahms.udel.edu (Keivan Esfarjani) writes:
>In article <MAJID.92Oct1111751@opossum.nakano.me.tohoku.ac.jp> majid@nakano.me.tohoku.ac.jp (Majid Nili Ahmadaabaady) writes:
>>>> Mr. Resza Shahidi wrote:
>>>> What is the purpose of life?
>>
>> I think the answer is based on the answer of this question: What is
>>the purpose of creation? If we find the answer of this simple and hard
>>question the first one is answered. Any idea?
>>
>>majid
>
>I think god is running a simulation. Now why the hell
>is he/she running it? I have no idea! 
>That of course implies he/she does not know the output
>of the simulation. So, we are just bits here and there
>0's and 1's as somebody was suggesting a while ago.
>However our conciousness might be somehow conserved, I
>don't know about that.(Let us not be very pessimistic) 
>
>Sorry AghA RezA if that doesn't answer your question!
>Regards,
>K1
>
>
>

My point exactly. I told God it's a bad idea, but he got all worked up
and threw me out. Life is a really hard test to pass, and that's why
Hell is a lot larger than Heaven. 

-- 
ahriman
(aka Lucifer)