HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: news@comlab.ox.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Electronics/videogame stores in Hong Kong. (SUMMARY)
Date: 30 Jul 92 11:13:39 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Computing Laboratory, UK

In article <LAUB.92Jul29202803@laub.Software.Mitel.COM> laub@Software.Mitel.COM (Boniface Lau) writes:
>>>>>> On 25 Jul 92 00:22:41 GMT, cho@enlil.premenos.sf.ca.us (Cho-Ming Tai) said:
>
>While I can understand the reason Golden Plaza filled with PC stuff, 
>it is incredible that the HKU bookstore filled its computer section
>with PC application books as well. The minute portion left over for
>non-PC books were so rudimentary that I questioned the depth of
>coverage in their CS grad. courses.


The explanation is simple:  No one in HKU wants the PC books and so the
bookstore (a subsidiary of Swindon) has loads of them left in stock.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: umyu0030@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Danny Y. W. Yu)
Subject: Re: Grad School in HK
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:38:47 GMT

In <1992Jul22.231555.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu> salina@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>In article <1992Jul22.180357.21554@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umyu0030@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Danny Y. W. Yu) writes:
>> 
>> I am a potential graduate and would like to know the e-mail address of
>> the Computer Science Dept. of various education institute in Hong Kong.
>> 
>> Can anybody show me a hint ?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Danny YU                         Voice : (204)261-1647
>>                               Internet : umyu0030@ccu.UManitoba.CA
>> IRC    : #hk/Sato                        umyu0030@silver.cs.UManitoba.CA
>> Bitnet : #YU0030@UOFMCC.BITNET            #yu0030@ccm.UManitoba.CA
>   
>    Maybe you can extract and download the item FAQ from this newsgroup.
>There are a whole bunch of e-mail addresses of HK institutes.

>-Sal-

I mean the Computer Science department of various HK edu. inst..
I need to know WHO I can contact with, not the e-mail address.
-- 
Danny YU                         Voice : (204)261-1647

Mail: #16-55 University Crescent,Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada R3T 2N5
Internet : umyu0030@ccu.UManitoba.CA umyu0030@silver.cs.UManitoba.CA
From: yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:49:26 GMT
Subject: Re: Fortune cookies, sushis, eggrolls etc.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NSG-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong

>bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou) /  5:36 am  Jul 24, 1992 /
>Hi guys,
[fortune cookie]

Don't know, may be some idea just to attract customer.

[sushi]

Don't know. But real basic sushi are much much cheaper than raw fish.
I mean those has rice and seawee only.

[egg roll]
It may be the good work of one of those early immigrant. He (very certain,
because there were no woman among the immigrants to US 100 years ago) 
wanted to have spring roll. But just don't know how to make the skill. So
he burned some egg instead. It was tryed by an american. OK, you got
the name
>   Well? 
>   Brandon


Yuk
From: kuan@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Victor Kuan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Problem of 1997?!
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:48:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Jul22.174821.10480
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington

In article <2746@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
>In article <1992Jul17.162932.8265@news.cs.indiana.edu>, kuan@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Victor Kuan) writes:
>|> In article <2714@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
>|> >In article <1992Jul13.132325.17906@wuecl.wustl.edu>, yl2@cec2.wustl.edu (Yu-fung Liu) writes:
>|> >|> In article <2700@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (James Lam) writes:
>|> >|> >In article <1992Jul12.042211.3476@wuecl.wustl.edu>, yl2@cec2.wustl.edu (Yu-fung Liu) writes:
>|> > [stuff deleted..]
>|> >The majority of HK people don't worry about food, they want democracy.
>|> 
>|> 	That's what happens to the peasants in Mainland China...
>|> 	They can't "feed themselves well before they can think about
>|> 	the rest. It is sad...
>
>But HK people can.
>

	They/We certainly can... But, they don't really want to
	due to the fact of the loooong history about "that's nothing
	people can do in Chinese politics". I am not sure if I say it
	the right way... People are concerned about economical survival..
	Oh, well... I don't know if I can explain it.. I hope you, the
	netters can understand.......don't misinterpret...





-- 
SonCheong Kuan				  kuan@iucs.cs.indiana.edu
Indiana State Board of Tax Commissioners  kuan@prism.ucs.indiana.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: wing@pegasus.com (Wing Ng)
Subject: <<Pay Respect to Brave Men>>
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:37:22 GMT

Jiang-jun Ling (General's Orders) is a popular Cantonese song
in Hong Kong, the theme song of Li Lian-jie's "Wong Fei Hung"
kung-fu series, and regularly sung at Karaoke's.
 
Lo Kwok-Jim put in new words for this song.  The crowd sang
this inspiring song at the Hong Kong Alliance  Victoria Park
commemoration this past June 4.
 
Here is an English translation, and the original Chinese .gb
file.
 
----------------------------------------------------------------
 
<<Pay Respect to Brave Men>>
 
Music:  Jiang-jun Ling (General's Orders)
Words: Lu Guo-zhan (Lo Kwok-Jim)
 
Teary eyes are still staring into the distance,
Maybe no one would like to talk about it any more.
Did not expect today, we would gather here together,
Once again remember what happened,
Once again think about our China.
We remember together in our hearts, to pay respect to brave men;
So many good brave men, please all come to our gathering place,
We hope you can recognize, the twinkling tears of June 4.
(Music ... ah, ya, hei.)
 
* Hope you know that I walk on the same road as you.
That day, that night, I was pained just like you.
I  was  confined at this place,
  could not go forward shoulder to shoulder with you,
And I am already at a loss for words to express my heartbreak.
(Music ... ah, ya.)
 
Also hope that you all need not be sad and angry,
  do not be sad and angry!
The night of June 4, I saw you go with my own eyes,
I have suffered sorrow alone;
  even though our wishes have not yet been fulfilled,
The Great Cause is still in our hearts!
(Music ... ah, ya.)
Even  though  we  feel it is hard to change things,
  even though our wishes have not been fulfilled,
The Great Cause is still in our hearts!
 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: gt9414b@ferrari.uucp (Wing-Cheong William Man)
Subject: Re: Democrat won in legisgative council
Organization: Computer Engineering Group, Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA 30332-0250
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:25:30 GMT

In article <6130068@hpopd.pwd.hp.com> yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan) writes:
>
>Yes, Their banner actually said, "Support multi-seat, single vote system".
>Their finally argument was, the two-seats, two-votes system made the UD
>United Democrat won most of seats. And any other system may do so. A 
>multi-seat, single vote system would let other minor voice into the council
>(i.e. pro-china party). 

It is curious. Normally, only the "democrats" protest. Do you know who
those supporters of "multi-seat, single vote" are?
>
>>LC
>
>>----------
>
>Yuk Chan

William Man
-- 
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		   Georgia Institute of Technology
      School of Electrical Engineering, Atlanta, GA  30332-0250
		    E-MAIL: gt9414b@eecom.gatech.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:9122 rec.arts.sf.movies:5917
From: poon@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Ka-Cheong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Are there any Hong Kong SF movies?
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:13:56 GMT
Reply-To: poon@schaefer.UUCP (Ka-Cheong)
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics

In article <1992Jul20.012148.18678@u.washington.edu> silly123@milton.u.washington.edu (Celia Nilson) writes:

[Deleted]
>>By the same token, I don't (and never will) consider any of Ail Hon's  
>>as science ficition as well.
>>
>
>	Hmmm...How about Wai Sze Lai????
>            	         ^^^^^^^^^^^

I don't consider those movies as SF also.

>	I guess there were about 4 moives about him!!! (Sam was a main actor)
>
>Celia

Have fun!!!

								Poon.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: luk@cs.rochester.edu (Steve Luk)
Subject: Re: Fortune cookies, sushis, eggrolls etc.
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:42:42 GMT

In article <19521@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou) writes:
>Hi guys,
>
>   I just thought of a very interesting question, at least to me...
>   Where in the world did FORTUNE COOKIES come from??????????
>
As far as I can tell, FC came from some Chinese restaurants in San
Francisco, CA. Why? I don't know! Seems to me that this brilliant
person merged the famous Chinese Food with one of our traditional
fortune telling techniques to make this.
BTW, I have heard that FC comes with different flavors now. Do they
have strawberry flavor? B-)

>
>   I am also wondering why the people here define "sushi" as raw
>   fish?  I've had so many sushis in my life and never once did
>   I see any sign of fish in my sushis!  (well, maybe dried fish
>   or something like that)
>
Strange! Most of the sushi's I've seen and eaten are made up of fishs (eel,
tuna, yellowtail, etc), shrimps, crab meat, octopus or squid.
Though there some egg, beef sushi's, I like the seafood sushi's
better. B-P

>   Brandon
>--
>Brandon S. Ou               Computer Science    
>University of Arizona       Tucson, Arizona
>Internet:  bsou@caslon.cs.arizona.edu
>" It's up to YOU... "  - Kevin Costner as Jim Garrison, "JFK" 
>

Steve
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: sonford@milton.u.washington.edu (Sonford Yuen)
Subject: Re: The name of book about China culture
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:18:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.153555.8567@dsg.tandem.com> leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung) writes:
>sonford@milton.u.washington.edu (Sonford Yuen) writes:
>|> The name of the book in my translation is:
>|> The Fundamental Structure of China Culture.
>|> (Chung Kwok Mum Fai Dig Sum Tsung Git Kau)
>
>I think "Sum Tsung Git Kau" should be translated into Deep Structure
>instead of fundamental structure. The concept of "deep structure"
>within the chinese culture, I believed, was originally proposed by
>the mainland chinese scholar Gum(gold) Kwun(watch) Tao(wavelet?),
>whose little book Prosperity and Crisis (Hing Shing yu Ngai Gay)
>has tremendously influenced the whole generation of young cultural
>elites in mainland, and eventually led to events such as the
>River Eulogy TV series (Gum is one of the advisors of the series
>production team) and others which may be said as the "preparation
>in thought" for the democratic movement in 89. Everyone who is
>interested in understanding the chinese culture should read that
>book.

Yup, I think the "deep structure" is better one. Thanks for correction.
I also believe that the term is proposed by Mr. Gum, even though I haven't
read his "Prosperity and Crisis".

>I think when Sun wrote that book, he was with Stanford, may be a Ph.D.
>student? Not sure.

He was in Stanford when his 1st edition was published, in his 2nd edition
in 1989, it was said he was in Hamilton. So I just guess he's still there now.

>Well, the book has some interesting points, but I think it is far from
>academic. I always hope that Sun can rewrite the book in a more rigorous
>and concise fashion, because I think the book contains too much "water"
>and affects its impact. When I read the book (several years ago), I had
>the strong impression that he had picked up the view of Gum but hadn't
>given him much credit.

Well, as I can't make any comments to this because I haven't touched 
any books by Mr Gum. But as I know, the impact of this book by Sun is 
greater than Mr. Gum. Maybe he is in the US, so his book could be widely
recognised than many scholars' books in China.

>Steven
          
Sonford Yuen
(Seattle)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: SCIENCE@MITVMA.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Former Red Guards out there?
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:09:06 GMT

Hi, we'd like to talk to some former Red Guards, even
ones we don't agree with.

Anyone out there remember their Red Guard units?
How about anyone from 516? "Sheng-wu-lien"? Other factions?

science@mitvma.mit.edu

Maoist Internationalist Movement
From: poon@jomby.cs.wisc.edu (Ka-Cheong Poon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: HK science fiction
Keywords: HK SF
Date: 26 Jul 92 04:48:54 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.


Have you folks heard about "Science Fact and Science Fiction Quarterly"?  I
just "dug" out my only copy, which is vol 4, published in Oct, 1990.  If you
are interested in SF in HK, I think you should find someone in HK to mail
you some copies.  Well, I am not sure if it is still in print.  Can someone 
in HK tell us about this?

The vol. I got has two features, "Saving our Earth" and "Issac Asimov".  It
also has some SF written by HK writers, a few foreign SF translations, a few
general sciences articles, a critique of "The Caves of Steel" and "The Naked
Sun", and a recording of a seminar about robots.  There is also a letter
written by Issac Asimov to congratulate on this quarterly (see PS).

I don't know how popular this quartely is in HK.  But I think it is a good
start to popularize general sciences and SF.  And I hope people will begin
writing SF.  I find that it is easier to read original Chinese SF than
Chinese translations.  As said in Asimov's letter, I also hope SF is (will
be) flourishing in HK.

I have a question about the 3 laws of robotics.  I think that, according to
Asimov, it is necessary to have these 3 laws in order to make a stable 
positronic brain.  But from what I read in the quarterly, it is said that
it is human who make up these laws to govern robots, just like our real laws.
Am I wrong?

BTW, this quarterly is published by Joint Publishing (HK) CO., LTD.

Have fun!!!

								Poon.

PS.

							1 May, 1990.

Dear Lee Wai Choi:

	Thank you for the book and magazine.  I cannot read Chinese but
both items are being sent to Boston University which collects my papers.

	I am delighted that science fiction is flourishing in Hong Kong
and I hope your magazine proves successful.

	It is a great honor to be mentioned in the books and I am very
pleased to appear in a language which is spoken by one-fourth of the world's
population.

							Issac Asimov


PPS.
In case you don't know, Asimov died in this April (?)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cho@enlil.premenos.sf.ca.us (Cho-Ming Tai)
Subject: Re: Electronics/videogame stores in Hong Kong. (SUMMARY)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 00:22:41 GMT
Organization: Premenos Corp.
Keywords: HongKong has little exciting software engineering stuff...

	I went to Hong Kong last Christmas and found the computers/machines
	sold at Golden Plaza (in Kowloon) disappointing.
	They were all PC stuff.  It's hard even to find any high-end Macs,
	not mentioning Sun, Next, DEC stuff.  Most CS magazines in Hong Kong
	copy/translate articles/ideas from foreign ones. 
	That's why only a handful prestiged U student can access UNIX
	usenet.  And the general Hong Kong (probably including CS) students
	are only at a barely-above user level.  *** No flame, please ***

	I've been told by my old high schoolmates that engineers are not
	respected or equally rewarded as Accountants in Hong Kong...
	Some of my high school friends who became Chartered Accountant
	could make about HK$20k-35k/month (4 years of experience)
	with strong potential of going even higher.  The other high
	schoolmates who worked as PC hardware engineers can only make
	HK$10k-20k/month (with 5 years of experience).

	Most programming jobs in Hong Kong are for Application Programmers
	who code around RDBMS packages (mostly Oracle on PC or Mainframe;
	Sybase was not there yet) to implement BUSINESS computer software
	systems.  A brother of my old classmate got a MSCS (specializing
	in AI) from U.K. can only find a mainframe banking programming job
	in Hong Kong.  I wonder if there is ANY SOFTWARE COMPANY in
	Hong Kong, besides financial institutions, that employs programmers.

	I think Hong Kong is slow and reluctant to catch up with others in
	Hi-Tech areas.  The government does not put enough money in
	encouraging industrial R&D, post-graduate research, etc.

	If this trend continues, Hong Kong will be full of BUSINESS people
	while Japan, Taiwan and Singapore dominate the ASIAN HI-TECH AREA.
	Well, I think it's OK for a country to specialize; however, isn't
	it better for Hong Kong to diversify its interests and growth
	opportunities ???

	With that perspective,

	Cho.

-- 

	Cho-ming Tai (cho@premenos.sf.ca.us),
	Premenos Corp.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: mkcman@napier.waterloo.edu (Marcus Man)
Subject:  Re: Help ! N Y Giants fan looking for "air" time in HK !
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:32:44 GMT

Hi,

        I don't think they have any "LIVE" event for pro football in HK,
the only coverage is the super bowl final and that is all. Try the satellite TV,may be t hey have it. Don't worry if they don't have it. You will find many
other sports there. I know that they have baseball on satellite TV. But it 
is not major league, it is NCAA baseball, no good!!!

Marcus Man
U  of  Waterloo
Canada

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: u9030026@golum.riv.csu.edu.au (Chung-Li CHEN)
Subject: Watch problem ?
Originator: u9030026@golum.riv.csu.edu.au
Organization: Charles Sturt University - Riverina, Wagga Wagga, NSW, Australia
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:27:06 GMT

     I am not sure whether or not the following question is
right to ask in this news group. However, if it is not then
please just read it as an interesting news.

     Not many people realise that -----> some watches with
Roman numeric letters on the face has a interesting
characteristic. Roman numeric like I, II, III, IV, V, VI ....
However, normally, this kind of watches were written as I, II,
III, IIII, V, VI rather then I, II, III, IV, V , VI.... If your
watch is not, just go to some watch shops and have a look of
others!!!!!

     Does any one knows why?

     And also, why they write IX, X, XI (which is correct)
rather then VIIII, X, XI... ?

     If you are familiar with watch design or you have any
friends known about the answer, please send E-mail to me!!

E-mail : u9030026@golum.riv.csu.edu.au

With great thanks!

-- 

The Hunt Is On, It Is On For My Whole Life, Hunt For The Best!

Logical-Wind
From: frankie@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Frankie Chun-wah Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Salesian Mailing List
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:17:11 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.hongkong
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

I am working on a Salesian Mailing List which hopefully will
include as many Salesianoes who have access to email as possible.
Right now the list consists of 10 people and they were graduates from
as far as 1974 through 1990.
	The list is not related to any organization nor can it bring
to any world-wide Salesian Students activities in the near future. It
merely serves as a link to overseas Salesian Students. Email users in 
Hong Kong are welcome as well. If you are interested, please contact 
me. Since the list is still going through a setting-up stage, any
suggestion would be truly appreciated.


Frankie Chun-wah Lee (78-89)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.asian.american
From: rtang@sunee.waterloo.edu (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: History of family name
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 08:35:20 GMT

In article <kingw.712116214@sfu.ca> kingw@fraser.sfu.ca (King Rio Wong) writes:
>Seems that I am not the only one who receive such an offer.  Are they
>publishing books for other family names other than the "Lams"? (I thought they
>were sending letters to everybody using a computer to change the title "The
>World Book of ?????" to the person's lastname... ;-)  I don't see anything 
>interesting with the book anyways.  Just a bunch of names and addresses, a
>few pieces of article, and a picture of your family's "coat of arm".  When
>have the Chinese families started to have their coat of arms, anyways???
>
>     Timothy Lam
>     (using someone else's account for now)
Hmm, seems like there are non-asians ie)europeans with the last name of "lam".
Interesting....I guess people cant say "lam" isnt as "american" as Smith or whatever.
:) :)
From: lhn1935@usl.edu (Ng Lap H)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Testing Only!
Date: 27 Jul 92 04:36:31 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana


	This is only a testing!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Subject: Re: Last name
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:25:10 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC
Keywords: last name

In article <1992Jul28.032937.18441@wam.umd.edu> tatcho@next15pg2.wam.umd.edu (Tat Chi Ho) writes:
>It sounds like people with the same last name are going
>to post news here to identify themselves!
>
>Such as,
>1) Cheung=chen

No, Cheung is not the same as Chen.

Cheung = Chang = Zhang
While Chen = Chan = Chin = Tan & Tran (Vietnamese)

>3) Wong=Wang
Wong = Wang but for some Wong , Wang is the wong one.  ie when they translate
Tsui Hark's Once upon a time in China main character Wong Fei Hong.  That Wong
in Mandarin is Huang.

One of my friends parents had a little snafu with American immigration because
they couldn't tell the difference between chinese names.  My friend's last name
is Eng (or Ng).  When his parents applied to bring over his grandparents they 
were intially rejected by immigration because their last names , in english, 
didn't match.  Eng=Ng in the mainland becomes Wu.

According to the Guiness book of World Records the most common surname in the
world is Chang.  I hope they corrected their data to allow fro the differences
between the various English-Chinese romanization systems (Wade-Giles, Pin-Yin
and Yale).  On a different note the family tree people should try their hand
at selling to the North Koreans.  3 out of every 4th North Korean is named Kim.

-- 
Thanks to Bush, Saddam still has his job.  Do you?
Volvo, there is no substitute.        Henryc@panix.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong