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From: bobn@hawkwind.central.Sun.COM (Bob Netherton)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Illusion (was Re: New Renaissance CD Reissues)
Keywords: renaissance rajah khan edit
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:08:40 GMT
Reply-To: Bob.Netherton@dallas.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

|>I'm confused, I mean aren't both of these still available as a two-fer
|>"In The Beginning" ? Where's "Turn of The Cards" and "Scheherezade" ?
|>Where's the complete "Live at Carnegie Hall", Where's "Time Line" ?
|>Where's the two Illusion albums (reformed original lineup) ?????

Are these different than Renaissance (first album) and Illusion 
(both available on Line) ?  I picked these up the other day in one of
those 2CD's in a single width jewel box.  Interesting material, particularly
the middle section of Mr. Pine (can we say Running Hard ??????).

Bob

-- 
Bob Netherton                        | You see the signs, they're always there
Sun Microsystems                     | But you know you never care
Dallas, Tx                           | You are always looking for another reason
bob.netherton@central.Sun.COM        | ==== Hawkwind, Paradox
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: dmandl@bilbo.shearson.com (David Mandl)
Subject: Re: Sad news for Peter Hammill fans
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:05:37 GMT

In article <malcolm.716149767@wrs.com> malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:

   >The song that stands out most of all is "Disengage,"
   >which IMHO contains one of PH's most spine-chilling vocal
   >performances of all time.  Apparently, Fripp didn't remix,
   >but actually USED DIFFERENT TAKES for the CD.  I was shocked
   >to hear the new version (fortunately I didn't buy one)--
   >the CD version sounds like baby stuff compared to the original.

   I thought that the story was Fripp originally used Darryl Hall for most of
   the vocals nad then Hall's label held up release and Fripp brought in 
   Hammill and other folks to redo stuff. Then on the cd re-issue he re-worked
   it to be what the release was to have originally sounded like. Is it Hammill 
   on the toned down version, or perhaps Hall? 

Fripp had big problems with Hall's record label (most notably with Hall's
"Sacred Songs" LP, produced by Fripp, which was held up forever).  But Hall
does appear on "Exposure," the original LP.  It's definitely Hammill on both
versions of "Disengage," so I can't figure out the reason for the change.

   --Dave.

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         Dave Mandl            |    Opinions expressed here
       New York City           | are not those of my employer,
 (dmandl@bilbo.shearson.com)   |          believe me.
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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Sad news for Peter Hammill fans
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:57:57 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep10.202601.5812@tc.cornell.edu> kutcha@eos.acm.rpi.edu (Phillip Rzewski) writes:
|
|    Well, having read books on Fripp, Gabriel, and Genesis, I think I can
|take a good guess as to the answer of this question. A lot of groups have a
|tendency to think their older material is actually less mature than their
|recent stuff, often because they were very young when they started and actually
|began to get a bit more formal music experience as they grew up and played
|more. Look at something like Gabriel's "Sixteen Golden Greats". He picked the
|MOST songs from So, a very recent release, and he picked NO songs from
|"Volume II", which was an early and highly experimental album.
 
Sixteen Golden Greats?  Was this on K-tel records?  Did Gabriel actually
pick the songs for the compilation or did the record company do it?  "Volume
II" was a very early album?  


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| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
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From: v134pfzd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (NADIR)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Sad news for Peter Hammill fans
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:06:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep10.202601.5812@tc.cornell.edu>, kutcha@eos.acm.rpi.edu (Phillip Rzewski) writes...
>In article <malcolm.716149767@wrs.com> malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
>[other stuff deleted, good philosophical question left]
>>Why is it that some artists totally ignore and walk away from their work
>>once it's behind them, and others like Fripp feel a need to rewrite history? 
> 
>    Well, having read books on Fripp, Gabriel, and Genesis, I think I can
>take a good guess as to the answer of this question. A lot of groups have a
>tendency to think their older material is actually less mature than their
>recent stuff, often because they were very young when they started and actually
>began to get a bit more formal music experience as they grew up and played
>more. Look at something like Gabriel's "Sixteen Golden Greats". He picked the
>MOST songs from So, a very recent release, and he picked NO songs from
>"Volume II", which was an early and highly experimental album.
> 
>    To compare this with Fripp, he was very well musically trained before he
>started anything with King Crimson. Though he often progressed through the years
>by TRYING new ideas out, and his playing might have improved, his general
>opinion seems to be that his career as a whole was all quite legit, and it's
>worth looking back at for new ideas and inspiration. He also recognizes the
>world's desire to hear it, which is probably why he went through all the
>trouble of remastering the Crimson disks.
> 

Yes of course, artists (as well as listeners) tend to think of the older
material as being less "mature" than the more recent stuff.  And it's one
thing to decide not to represent portions of one's career - e.g. p.g.'s
omission of the II period songs on "Shaking the tree".  But for Fripp to go
back and actually *change* what is, for all intents and purposes, the original
track, is unconscionable.  If he's uncertain as to the "maturity" of "Exposure"
then he's not even giving himself the benefit of the doubt in the eyes and ears
of his prospective listeners.  How easy is it for someone in nigh-vinyl-less
1992 to find a copy of the original "Exposure"?

Peter Gabriel, on "shaking the tree" offers a remixed version of "I Have the
Touch", but the original is still very much available on "Security".

It's unbelievable, the amount of time and energy Fripp spends tinkering and
remastering and re-releasing and "thissing" and "thatting" with the King
Crimson canon.  

>--
>   Phillip Andrew Rzewski                      Internet: kutcha@acm.rpi.edu
>                    "My analyst warned me about her,
>          but she was so beautiful that I got another analyst"

dan(n)

"This is a formica table, and on it you will eat no small portion of vittles."
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From: jxm3035@hertz.njit.edu (Joe Mucchiello)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Renaissance
Summary: Album list request, etc.
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:10:08 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

I'm sure this went before, but it's not on my news server anymore.  I was
recently introduced to Renaissance by a guy a record show who didn't have any
Steeleye Span ablums, but when I told him, I liked Span for the vocal work
of Maddy Prior, he suggested Sandy Denny (who I'd heard of) and Annie Haslan
(who I hadn't heard of).  Anyway, I few months later, and last Saturday, I
purchased Prologue, Ashes Are Burning, Scheherazade, and Novella, and after
listening to the first side of Prologue, I was hooked.  Not only does she
sing beautifully, but the pianist and the bassist are amazing.

I'm interested in finding out when the band formed, broke up (If they did), 
titles and years of albums released, and hopefully a summary of the CD
reissue information I just missed, and where the various members of the
band are now.

Thanks in Advance
-- 
  Joe (jxm"I'm not a number"3035@hertz.njit.edu)
From: DAB112@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Other Discographies I'm after.
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:18:39 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Greetings once again!

       I'm very thankful for the Renaissance and Wakeman discographies I've
been after!  But there are more that I'm looking for.
1) I know that I've seen the CAMEL discography posted not too long ago, but
   something went wrong and it wasn't saved on my file.  Someone please post
   it again?
2) I've been hearing mention several times now of a band called TWELFTH NIGHT
   but I've never even seen so much as a used album by them.  I would like to
   see their disc.  and a judgment on whether or not to get into them.  (I'm
   personally a keyboard fanatic i.e. CAMEL "Lunar Sea" etc).
3) IQ and SOLSTICE are two bands I've only just heard of recently.  Their disc-
   ographies would be nice to see too.

     Please e-mail the information to me if it's available.  My address is
dab112@psuvm.psu.edu      Thank you very much!!!


                                       David A. Barro
From: ramst11+@pitt.edu (Richard A Meyer)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Fish U.S. Tour
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:09:20 GMT
Distribution: alt.music.progressive
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

A friend of mine told me that he has recently heard from a very reliable
source that Fish is planning on touring the states in December. Currently
this is just a rumor, but it has come from a reliable source.

Rick

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: kkirksey@world.std.com (Ken B Kirksey)
Subject: Eloy & Pendragon
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 03:09:12 GMT

> My question is - why waste your time on these guys, to me they sound
> like a half baked clone-of-a-clone band (imitation Marillion without
> the ideas) Any of the following neo-prog bands are much better:
> Castanarc, Quasar, IQ, 12th Night, Solstice... When I rate all these
> British 80's neo-progs on Ideas and originality, Pendragon is way
> back at the end of the line. Too bad, because THE JEWEL did show some
> promise...
 
Hmm...The Jewel is the only one I have, and it indeed did show some 
promise.  As for Marillion, well, they're kinda the group that got
me into prog rock in the first place.  They're still my all time favorite
group.  I've got the Castanarc _Journey To The East_, which I thought
was ok.  I don't regret buying it, but it's not on my frequently played 
list.  I has a few good moments.
 
Speaking of british neo-progs, have you ever heard any Galahad.  I've
heard good things about them, especially about _Nothing Is Written_.
Opinions anyone?
 
                             Ken.
                             
NP:  Black Sabbath - The Writ
 
+---------------------------+----------------------------------------------+
| Ken Kirksey               | Geeks at 20 paces?  I like your style.       |      
| kkirksey@world.std.com    |                                -Lobo         |
 

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: piscine@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (henry bart)
Subject: Re: Galahad/Galadriel
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:55:19 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-27013]: rs1.tcs.tulane.edu

>>They have two albums, _Muttered Promises From An Ageless Pond_, which is
>>supposed to be fairly Yes-like, at least on a few songs.  The newest is 
>>_Chasing the Dragonfly_, which I haven't seen anything about.  Overall, they
>>have received good reviews in Gibraltar.  They were also compared to Twelfth
>>Night and Marillion by one person, though he prefered that latter two. FWIW.

>The Twelfth Night, Yes and Marillion comparisons fit the first album only.
>I have the second _Chasing the Dragonfly_ and have listened to it
>** many ** times now, and altough the same elements are there, what I
>hear is the band determined on expanding their style and developing
>a more unique sound. There are a lot of new influences appearing within
>the old sound: Jazz, World Music, etc., and the production is much better
>this time. Strongly recommended, definitely better than the first.

Thanks for the recommendation.  I hadn't seen anything on _Chasing the
Dragonfly_ so couldn't comment.  But I have heard that Galadriel is one of
the better neo-prog bands.


		Mike


Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: NOVA
Date: 8 Sep 92 04:26:43 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep8.020358.15788@cunews.carleton.ca> wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) writes:
>Anyone have any info about Nova? Supposedly they're Brand Xish,
>featuring Percy Jones and Full Colons on a few releases.

That was the second NOVA album titled "Viemana", it featured Robin Lumley
and Narada Micheal Walden as well.
They had four albums in all: BLINK, VIEMANA, WINGS OF LOVE, and SUN CITY.
I Think "Blink" and "Sun City" are out on Disc, but I haven't seen the
other two. Only the second album featured the Brand-X lineup.


peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: borella@netcom.com (Mike Borella)
Subject: Re: Maxophone
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 09:17:31 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <12010001@hpjsdo.kobe.hp.com> mzw_t@hpjsdo.kobe.hp.com (Takashi Matsuzawa) writes:
>In alt.music.progressive, borella@cs.ucdavis.edu (Mike Borella) writes:
>
>>    Anybody else ever heard of them?  A mid seventies Italian band, somewhat
>>    symphonic but with jazz tendencies.  Pretty damn good.  I was totally
>>    impressed with the first few listens but I'll want to listen more
>>    before reviewing.
>
>Which lang version did youhear?  English version or Italian version?
>Anyway, I do not think they have issued many LPs.  What I am aware is
>only one.  The English version starts with the song as: "When you 
>hear the music, do you think of a lovely ..."  
>   

I have the Italian version on Japanese CD.  The music is very, very good
progressive.  One of my better finds this summer.  However the pressing
is from a record and you can occasionally hear the pops and clicks.

The music is a mix of Museo Rosenbach, Locanda delle Fate, and PFM.
I'd rate it as good as MR but still not up there with Locanda - which 
remains the best CD I've heard to date.

-Mike


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From: jtl@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Joe Lynn)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
Subject: New Renaissance CD reissues
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:44:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Macro Computer Solutions, Inc.


I just received the One Way reissues of _Prologue_ and
_Ashes Are Burning_ (One Way CLD 57577 / CLD 57576, respectively).

I did some quick comparisons between these two discs and previously-
issued CDs (the Japanese _Ashes Are Burning_, and Capitol's _In The
Beginning_ ; I do not own the Japanese pressing of _Prologue_) and 
found the following:


(1) Sound Quality:  There's been some noise on the net about the
	fact that some One Way reissues sound lousy, and in some
	cases were actually mastered from LPs.  

	Upon a quick comparison, these discs sound to me to be at 
	least as good as the other previously-issued discs.  There
	is a fair amount of tape hiss on all the recordings, but
	that's to be expected, I suppose.  There are no glaring 
	sound deficiencies that I can tell (as on Thunderbolt UK's
	_Azur d'or_ CD);  further listenings will confirm this.

(2)  Content:  These CDs duplicate the orignal LPs.  The complete
	version of "At The Harbour" (with the Debussy piece included)
	is on _Ashes Are Burning_, as is the complete title track (which was
	truncated on the _In The Beginning_ CD).  The complete version
	of "Rajah Khan" appears on _Prologue_ (which was also truncated
	on the _In The Beginning_ CD).

(3)  Artwork:  The artwork on _Prologue_ is a little fuzzy.  It 
	looks like they actually  photographed the original LP cover
	(inside and out),  right down to the Sovreign/Capitol logos 
	and the original catalog number on the liner.   The cover of
	_Ashes Are Burning_ is a bit clearer (as much as one can notice,
	given the original photo's graininess), but the original liner is not
	duplicated on the CD.  No lyrics are included with either CD.


I ordered these CDs through a company that has a direct distributorship
with One Way/Cema.  I just learned that Noteworthy will be carrying the
disks as of September 15th at just over $8.00 per disc.



Joe Lynn

-- 
jtl@ddsw1.mcs.com
From: dkm3792@hertz.njit.edu (Dave Michaels)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Renaissance
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:17:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

Does anyone know if Sherizade (sp) is avaiable on CD at ANY price ANYWHERE?
Thank you!
-dave
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: What kind of drugs do IQ use?
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:54:56 GMT


After delaying for about 2 months, I finally listened to a double
album by IQ called "Nine In A Pond Is Here". The first 3 sides
are standard IQ, but what in god's name is going on during side
four!? It opens with a disco tune called "Tit Love" or something!!

What follows is a flurry of nonsense, samples, disco beat, sound
effects, elevator music and really bad jazz vocals!!!!!!!!!!

Personally, I'm rather warped, so I actually enjoyed this stuff.

I'm curious if anyone knows the deal with this thing! It's beyond
hilarious and I salute IQ for doing it.

Anil Prasad
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: blindsay@bmerh9f5.bnr.ca (Brian Lindsay)
Subject: Re: Sad news for Peter Hammill fans
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:22:45 GMT

In article <BuDuqy.n0t@acsu.buffalo.edu> v134pfzd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (NADIR) writes:

>Yes of course, artists (as well as listeners) tend to think of the older
>material as being less "mature" than the more recent stuff.  And it's one
>thing to decide not to represent portions of one's career - e.g. p.g.'s
>omission of the II period songs on "Shaking the tree".  But for Fripp to go
>back and actually *change* what is, for all intents and purposes, the original
>track, is unconscionable.  If he's uncertain as to the "maturity" of "Exposure"
>then he's not even giving himself the benefit of the doubt in the eyes and ears
>of his prospective listeners.  How easy is it for someone in nigh-vinyl-less
>1992 to find a copy of the original "Exposure"?

Does anyone know if the pre-"Definitive" edition CD of Exposure has the
original versions of these tracks? If so, used CD stores would be a good
place to look.

My preference in such a situation would of course be bonus tracks with
the alternate version. 

One similar horror was purchasing Roxy Music's "Manifesto" only to
find a discofied version of "Angel Eyes". 

--
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The opinions expressed above are solely those of Brian Lindsay
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: jeffrey@iastate.edu (Jeffrey L Biggus)
Subject: Re: _Nerve Net_ / _No New York_
Keywords: Eno, No New York
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 05:20:24 GMT


SPEAKING OF _NO NEW YORK_, what happened to that album???

I've been looking all over the place for that, even on vinal,
but no go.  Is it still in print?  Is it available on CD?

Any info is good info.
Eno in '96, if we're all organized about it.

-jef.

-- 

 "Sometimes truth bites you like a saber-toothed tiger.
  Other times truth gnaws at you like a 90 year-old grandmother."

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: borella@netcom.com (Mike Borella)
Subject: Re: PFM anybody ????
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 20:35:55 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <13269@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> Bob.Netherton@dallas.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>Just picked up PFM Live in America and am now in much need of additional
>PFM.  Where to start ??????  Which LP has Celebrate ????
>
>As always, thanks in advance,
>Bob
>
>
>--

My personal faves are: Per Un Amico, L'Isola di Niente and Storia di 
un Minuto.  Celebration is on the English version of Per Un Amico
which is titled Photos of Ghosts.  The Italian version is so much 
better.

-Mike
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: NOVA
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:12:31 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <malcolm.715981689@wrs.com> malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:

|I taped Vimana around 1984 and this really has grown on me - I'm very fond of
|it and want to find a copy. It's got Walden on drums, Phil Collins and Zakir
|Hussian on percussion, Percy on bass. It's great! It's got soem of the nicest
|drumming on lp I've heard - I think it's possibly better than Brand X.

Yet another one of those albums that I heard years ago, never bought, and
now wish that I had.  I had no idea the Hussain ever played with Nova.  Walden
is another of those "used to be a great drummers".

|The band's core trio was also in another italian band - Osanna, which had 
|released 5 lps by the early 70's.

Now there's a band that I didn't expect to be mentioned on the net.  I've
got Milano Calibro 9.  Wierd stuff.

Another good italian band with some excellent drumming is "Arti e Mesteri".
The have two albums that I know of: Tilt, released in 1974, and 
Giro Di Valzer Per Domani (1975).  I've heard the later is available on CD.
I have "Giro.." on vinyl.  It's excellent.

-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
+==========================================================================+
From: css37245@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The Angel)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: THE STONE ROSES
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:10:33 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

labuski@emavr01.rtp.dg.com (Frank Labuski) writes:

>I just read in SPIN magazine that the Stone Roses were finally going to
>release a new album and possibly tour the USA.  Has anyone heard
>anything else about this or have any other info?????   Thanks 

Well, I've stopped getting my hopes up.  Every time I hear something about
the Stone Roses coming out with something new, it has always fallen through.

Just call me a pessimist..



-- 
+ Craig Soule'               + "Dance Dance Dance Dance Dance To The Radio"+
+ "One Year to go!"          +        _Transmission_ -- Joy Division       +
+ css37245@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu  +     What a happy go-lucky bunch of guys.    +
From: nelson@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Camel discography and recommendations
Date: 6 Sep 92 15:22:39 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

A Camel discography posted here mentioned...

...
> Dust and Dreams			1991
> On the Road 1972      		1992
> 
as being available only on Latimer's own label.

Could somebody with an address for this label, or of a mail order firm
prepared to sell them, please post it?

In the UK, which is where I am, there is no chance of finding them in
the shops - which is odd considering every other Camel album exists here
on CD, as far as I'm aware.


Graham Nelson (Oxford)