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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: A Few Words About Election Results
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:14:29 GMT

altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim) writes:
: 
: I agree with your correction of the term "fascism", Bill. It doesn't apply
: to any elements of the Democratic platform, if you read it. As for your
: response regarding Clinton's plans, the only basis for these statements
: can be opinion or the platform. Opinion is opinion; we can argue for days
: to no avail. The Democratic platform does not call for a ban on handguns,
: only a ban on assault weapons. I have yet to hear a rational argument on
: why a private citizen should be allowed an assault weapon. The other part 

And, why not. There are several types of target shooting that require the
use of such firearms. I happen to compete periodically in one of them. I
am not very good, I do not practice enough. The only real difference
between the, so called "assault weapons" and other rifles, is that many
other rifles fire more powerful rounds. If you are thinking about fully
automatic weapons, they are already highly regulated.

: is a waiting period. Do you have a big problem with a one week waiting
: period? Just can't wait to kill someone? There has been no mention of 
: a complete ban on handguns anywhere, except maybe the ranting of some
: NRA lobbyists.

I have not objection to waiting. I even have no desire to purchase any
firearms. But, what does it gain?

There may not be any official anti-gun plank in the Democratic platform,
but it is the Democratic members of congress who are the ones pushing
all the gun control/confiscation legislation. Witness Diane Feinstein
when she was mayor of San Francisco - now one of the senator elects
from California.

: As for work camps, I haven't read much about this, but I welcome any 
: positive, constructive alternatives to the current abused/abusive system.

He has made the statement in speaches.

: If you've noticed, Clinton has already made it clear that he is making 
: an all-out concerted effort to create a consensus-based governance system.
: If you have a problem with that, I would have to label you an autocrat,
: or even a fascist. I've seen little evidence to support the claim of 
: a "fascist left". Diane Feinstein? Give me a break. If in the next year
: Clinton does a complete turn around and stops looking for consensus
: from both the Democrats and Republicans, I will be quite happy to post
: a retraction. As for now, I don't see it, and I doubt you do either.

I would be happy if the government would just get off our backs. They
should spend their efforts catching and punishing those who endanger
others - and leave the rest of us totally alone.

As I said, I am hoping.

Bill
From: lestat@cats.ucsc.edu (Lestat de Lioncourt)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: WICCA
Date: 8 Nov 1992 17:34:19 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu



I am in Santa Cruz and interested in contacting a local witch or
affiliate of WICCA. I am interested in learning about it, and perhaps
more. I need a mentor in Santa Cruz. If anyone can help I would appreciate
it immensely.

-Tom Fox
From: lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Return of the Azure Mage
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:09:35 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.
X-Discalaimer: This is sarcasm.

In article <1992Nov4.212856.3930@wvnvms.wvnet.edu>
un032233@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes: 

>Greeting All,
>		I do not know if any of you remember me.  I am the Azure Mage.

Remember you? We were just talking about you, your mageship. What
level are you?

<grin>

>I was on the system during the beginning of the year and am just now getting
>back on.  I hope all is well and that my friends will get in touch with me as
>soon as possiple and that New freinds will come to say hi.

Seriously now, hi there and welcome back.

>Blessings of the Goddess to all
>The Azure Mage


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From: donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Friday the 13th
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 17:57:35 CST
Organization: The Brewers' Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

Happy Friday the 13th, everyone! :)


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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Loo seats (was: Re: hate and anger)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 6 Nov 92 04:47:26 GMT

In article <6679@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley) writes:
>In article <2AF71FFA.22618@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>
>>And I don't buy it that they're so intimately related.  When TMM leaves
>>the seat up, I am pissed.  Hate, though?  Never in a gezillion years.
>
>This has always puzzled me. Women always get upset at men leaving the
>bog seat up. Why? It's not difficult to move it.. I have heard many,
>many women complain about this as if putting the seat down was some
>kind of rule all us men forget. I do not recall ever hearing a man
>complain about women leaving the seat *down* though.
>
>After all, when you leave the toilet, its 50/50 whether a man or woman
>uses it next - so leaving it up is just as likely to be right as
>leaving it down. And its such a *small* thing. Why does it piss off
>women so much?
>
>Janis can you enlighten me?

Chris, imagine this.  It is now 2:00am, and you have just been awakened
by massive hydraulic pressure from a nice sound sleep.  You get up
(quietly so as not to awaken to sleeping body next to you), and stagger
your sorry, bleary-eyed ass to the bathroom.  Down go the drawers, if
you wear `em to bed, and you plunk yourself down in the full expectation
of having a little plastic oval stop your downward motion before your
ass hits cold water with a serious splash and your feet jerk out from
under you in shock.  

After the paramedics get there and nail your dead chest with paddles
from the heart attack, it's kind of hard to get back to sleep.

This isn't necessarily a nighttime occurrence, exclusively, either.  You
have to get out of the house in a hurry because you're late to class.
You rush into the bathroom, haul up your skirt, haul down your drawers,
plunk your ass down, and have to change clothing because the seat was
left up and you soaked the back of your skirt.

You lift it, you put it back.  Men use it with the seat down half of the
time, women all of the time.  Hence, for 75% of the time, the seat has
to be down.  Put it down, Chris.  Especially when you are in HER
apartment, where she has no reason to expect it's being UP. 

It's worse if you sit on the rim after a -- messy -- pissing incident by
the man of the house.  Or if he neglected to flush after YOU sit on the
rim and fall the hell in. 

Trust me, Chris, put the seat down when you're done, or save up the
money for Marriage Encounter.  You're going to need it.

Blessings,
Janis
From: wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: How the hell can religion and action not be related?
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:24:33 GMT
Organization: Red Wolfe @ The Wolves Den
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banerjee@titan.trl.OZ.AU (Arindam Banerjee) writes:
>
>To me the basis for this action of discarding Christianity, and the
>consequences therefrom, is interesting. What is also interesting is the
>almost total ignorance and lack of interest in the genuinely pagan
>traditions of Hinduism - on what grounds I can only conjecture.
>
>Arindam   

Well, the eclectic neo-pagans are usually fairly aware of the Hindu
pantheon, and we work with some aspects of Kali as the one who breaks
down to make room for the new.

I suspect that the general disinterest in american neo-pagan circles has
something to do with the fact that Hindu is a well-established and
active religion, and the anti-establishment feelings that are part of the
drive behind the neo-pagan revival skip over the religions that have
well developed populations.  There is a great respect for Hindu theology
even if there isn't a great deal of adoption from the Hindu pantheon.

				Wolfe
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From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: DAMN THIS LIE!!!!
Distribution: world
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 05:47:21 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <lfdj1jINNnat@news.bbn.com> dhardin@bbn.com writes:

 > > Teenagers over there are just shooting people with machine guns at
 > > random, aren't they? You get *REALLY* fucked full of lead, eh? Is that
 > > how they return your courtesy?
 >  
 > You really do watch too many movies, you know that, don't you?

Well, actually most of what we get here are reports from the press and
diplomatic corps on the Washington neighbourhoods. I would be very
relieved indeed to be proven wrong, although in the meantime nothing
I read or hear from any source about North America encourages me to
visit the place.

Just as one example among many, we all know what you did to Vietnam,
whatever reason you might have come up with for doing it, which gives
me some insight into just how far you will go in simply obliterating
people right off of the planet you don't happen to like, and what
morality might be influencing your younger generations today.

If the US has something more hopeful and promising to offer the world
than mass bloodshed, and the economic, social and cultural ruin of
anything that does not happen to resemble things American, please do
go ahead and show us.

Or perhaps you are fed something different there from what we get? That
would go some way toward explaining our different perceptions of what
the Good Ol' US of A stands for.

--
Gil Hardwick                                      gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au
Independent Consulting Ethnologist                            3:690/660.6
PERTH, Western Australia                                 (+61 9) 399 2401
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From: michael@albert.bu.edu (Michael Chaplin)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: a prophecy come to pass . . . maybe
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:49:36 GMT
Organization: Boston University
In-reply-to: pharvey@mipos3.intel.com's message of 5 Nov 92 21:10:57 GMT

In article <Bx9HIA.FEw@inews.Intel.COM> pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey) writes:
=The republican party is schisming, particularly in light of the loss. Expect
=to see Kemp represent the moderate and conservative republicans and Buchanan
=represent the radical religious right led by Robertson. I don't think you'll
=see the religious right give up the title of republican, so that means the
=fight will be a good one. [...]
 
Possibly Kemp, but I'd keep my eyes out for both
Gov. Pete Wilson and Gov. Bill Weld (republicans) 
to try for the White House in '96, IMHO, of course.

An interesting thing about Weld-
he signed legislation guaranteeing spousal rights to homo/bisexuals...
Therfore, perhaps he isn't a conservative but a *gasp*
?Liberal Republican?!? Well, let's hope Clinton can pull our
fat from the fire- when things are going good economically,
I feel it safe to say, people tend to not look for scape-goats,
religious or otherwise.
  
=*MAJOR* war over Buchanan vs. Kemp in republican party, since Robertson will
=never relinquish control, expect to see Kemp and other traditional republicans
=split off to form their own party. Bye-Bye!

Nothing would please me more to see the Christian Coalition (tm)
left politically abandoned. Ciao,

Chaplin.
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Millenium Mead
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:50:02 GMT

Greetings one and all.

I had a thought the other night, that this is the perfect time to lay
in a batch of long mead for celebrating the coming millenium. I don't
know if anyone out there is familiar with mead making, but a good long
mead should age for five to seven years before being drunk. If you
start now, it will be ready for opening New Year's Eve, 1999. Or, if
you are celebrating the millenium as beginning on 2001, then New Year's
Eve 2000.

In reading through an English book I have on making mead, I ran across
the paragraph on metheglin. This word is derived from the Welsh word
medclyglin, and means medicine. It is a preparation of mead made with
various herbs. The line I found most interesting, and most pertinent
to this forum is;

"All the valued herbs of the country were used -- cloves, nutmeg,
elderflowers, cowslips, rosemary and ginger together with a great
many rarer ones compiled by the witches of the time."

This leapt out and said RITUAL in big letters. So, I post this in case
anyone wants to do a special ritual for the millenium. Now's the time
to lay up a few gallons. I will be laying up a light honey as well as
a dark honey mead. You should be able to get about 20 to 25 bottles
out of five gallons. I'm wondering if ling honey (that is also called
heather honey, being made form heather flowers) is available in the U.S.
It's supposed to have a very strong flavour. Maybe some of our English
subscribers could enlighten us more on mead and it's virtues. I understand
it's supposed to be the oldest alchoholic drink around.

Anyone interested in more details on metheglin, feel free to post or
email me.

Bb,
Corun

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From: altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: A Few Words About Election Results
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:48:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: California State University Sacramento

In article <1992Nov7.093824.29158@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>
   billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr) writes:
[...]
>: >> All in all, it's a stunning setback for the fascist right.
>: >
>: >Yeah, but at the expense of putting the facist left in charge.
[...]
>: 	asshole. Let's see, the "fascist left" wants to allow choice, tax
>: 	the ultra-rich who've eaten us alive for the last 12 years, and
>: 	cut back on civil rights. Right. I see, this cuts into our liberties.
>
>The fascist left wants to prohibit private ownership of firearms. Clinton
>wants to set up work camps for first time juvenile drug offenders. Yes, the
>new president wants to cut back on civil liberties.
>
>: Buzz off.
>
>Why? Because someone does not agree with your rose tinted view of the
>party of your choice? I hope that Clinton will do better for the country
>than Bush - but I am not going to hold my breath.
>
>Bill

I agree with your correction of the term "fascism", Bill. It doesn't apply
to any elements of the Democratic platform, if you read it. As for your
response regarding Clinton's plans, the only basis for these statements
can be opinion or the platform. Opinion is opinion; we can argue for days
to no avail. The Democratic platform does not call for a ban on handguns,
only a ban on assault weapons. I have yet to hear a rational argument on
why a private citizen should be allowed an assault weapon. The other part 
is a waiting period. Do you have a big problem with a one week waiting
period? Just can't wait to kill someone? There has been no mention of 
a complete ban on handguns anywhere, except maybe the ranting of some
NRA lobbyists.

As for work camps, I haven't read much about this, but I welcome any 
positive, constructive alternatives to the current abused/abusive system.
If you've noticed, Clinton has already made it clear that he is making 
an all-out concerted effort to create a consensus-based governance system.
If you have a problem with that, I would have to label you an autocrat,
or even a fascist. I've seen little evidence to support the claim of 
a "fascist left". Diane Feinstein? Give me a break. If in the next year
Clinton does a complete turn around and stops looking for consensus
from both the Democrats and Republicans, I will be quite happy to post
a retraction. As for now, I don't see it, and I doubt you do either.

Blessings,

Murray

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From: kumagic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Stephen R. Figgins)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Women and Men Witches
Date: 12 Nov 92 09:11:31 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <lg2o00INNido@news.bbn.com>, dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin) writes:
> kumagic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Stephen R. Figgins) writes:
>> 
>> I see the female as first, the one from which the male comes.  I see
>> the female as containing the male.  And I see the male as being sort
>> of a mutated female.
> 
> Are you a fan of Valeri Solanas (sp?) and her book _SCUM_, the Society
> for Cutting Up Men?  She has some terrific hate quotes about males being
> incomplete females and walking abortions because Y chromosomes look like
> incomplete X chromosomes.  You might want to look up her book for a good
> laugh, she has a very entertaining writing style.  I was a little shocked
> to discover that she took herself seriously enough to try to assasinate
> Andy Warhol in the 60's, but even though *she* was completely serious it
> doesn't make the book less of a scream.  I'll try to look up some of the
> best man-hating quotes if people promise not to blame me for them.

I saw this book once at a bookstore.  It did look like a scream.  I
think it was called _The SCUM Manifesto_, at least the book I saw.
But no, I am not a fan of hers. 

>> To me, men are not messed up because of their sex, but because of
>> their culture.  Men are scum, and I am a female supremicist.
> 
> You're in luck.  I'll send up a couple of friends of mine to convince
> you that females are scum too.  No, don't thank me, I insist.  By the
> time they're through with you, you will be a sheep supremicist.  Or
> perhaps an amoeba supremicist, since your arguement about the male
> including the female goes double for one celled forms of life.

I am not unconvinced that women are scum, or whatever term one chooses
to use.  My female supremacy is not causally related to my view of
men's problems.  And I already believe prokaryotes are the thing.

> (Seriously, I recognise that you're trying to make a point, but I think
> you are using imprecise and dangerous language.  If it misdirects more
> people than it enlightens, maybe you should say it a different way?
> Maybe a radically different way?)

I am open to suggestions Dawn.  Although imprecise, my language has
been an attention getter.  I hope it doesn't get too much in the way
now. 

-- 
___________________________________________________________________________

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kumagic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu   |  Who lived under the hill 
PO Box 1244                  |  And if she's not gone 
Lawrence, KS 66044	     |  She lives there still
___________________________________________________________________________
From: kumagic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Stephen R. Figgins)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Women and Men Witches
Date: 12 Nov 92 09:21:18 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Nov11.203846.24614@u.washington.edu>, mkkuhner@phylo.genetics.washington.edu (Mary K. Kuhner) writes:
> Female supremacy, in my opinion, hurts women.  It denies us the joys 
> of full partnership with men in the Craft; it gets in the way of our 
> love affairs; it prevents equal sharing of responsibility and reward.
> I find it ironic that a man is pushing this dubious 'priviledge' at
> women, but I don't want it no matter where it comes from.
> 
> If you want to oppose power-over, you have to do more than reinstating
> it with a different group on top.

I don't think you have been really reading my posts.  I am not pushing
any priviledge, nor am I suggesting any form of power-over with one
group on the top.  My point is not that men and women are separate,
but rather that they are only perceived as separate, and taught to act
separately.  I would rather heal division than create more.  But first
men will have to look at how we and our predecessors have created and
maintained this separation, and who and what we have become.

Because women, historically, have not been as caught up in this race,
I often look to them for some guidance.  Thank you, Mary, for your
caution.

-- 
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Stephen R. Figgins           |  There was an old woman
kumagic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu   |  Who lived under the hill 
PO Box 1244                  |  And if she's not gone 
Lawrence, KS 66044	     |  She lives there still
___________________________________________________________________________
 
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek)
Subject: Re: the US elections...
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 05:18:10 GMT

cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:

>I'm amazed she's married to someone who seriously reads and cites stuff
>like Marija Gimbutas and Riane Eisler and talks about how we have to
>change our spiritual relationship to the Earth. 

Lots of people have stayed married to a spouse who seems a bit looneytoons.
That's amore for you.
From: loki@castle.ed.ac.uk (A Kashko)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: the US elections...
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:21:44 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <gate.LD0PTB1w165w@pil.UUCP> alizard@pil.UUCP writes:
>
>WE WON!!! As I type, Bush is conceding. An important battle has
>been won. The war for America's future has NOT been won.

	Not just America. Those of us who have suffered for what seems like
eternity under the Tories here were heartened by it.

	I recall inviting Loki to play witthe the Tories about three months
before Thatcher resigned. Now I hope Loki and Bolverk can finish them off
before the whole country goes down the pan.

	Me, I will still look to get out of the UK, even if the recession
here ends tomorrow. Like buses there will be another one along soon
courtesy of HMG, and I have no faith in the competence of any of our
politicians, the likelihood of my son havong any worthwhile future here,
or, frankly, in the collective intelligence of the electorate
here being high enough to prevent another disaster like this bunch

	America now has a chance for freedom. With luck the Gods will
grant us the same opportunity, SOON.