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From: spector@vax2.concordia.ca (Mitchell Spector)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: re: Does apple ][ GS software work using apple ][ emulator
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:40:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Dan Wolfson (wolfsond@cse.fau.edu) writes...

>Why on Earth would anyone *EVER* want to emulate an APPLE IIGS?
>
>The APPLE II emulator is a great novelty because there are so many
>classic games to be played.  But as for the Apple IIGS...

Why not? The Apple IIgs does so much *more* than an 8-bit Apple II, yet
unlike it, only an orginal IIgs can run GS-specific software. I can name
dozens of hardware and software emulators for other platforms that emulate
the 8-bit II and run it's software. Not to mention the various clone machines..
Nothing else out there to run GS software on, expect a _GS_ itself!

>If I want to play AMIGA modules, I will use my AMIGA to play them,
>which by the way runs *circles* around any IIgs..

Oh really? This is news to me. All Amiga machines use the same 4-voice sound
synthesis (quite nice in it's own class), but comes no where near the
Ensoniq DOC 5503 built-in all GSes.

>And as for games and graphics applications,  the Amiga or the
>PC (with a say... a 24 bit video board and sound card) will be
>more then sufficient..  So I would stop bragging about the IIgs and
>the relatively-small amount of IIgs specific software available...

IBM's may have SuperVGA graphic cards, capable of 1024x768x256, yet how
many programs, let alone game software, actually support it? In fact, even
VGA (640x480x256) remains highly unsupported in the ms-dos world. The majority
of game software uses MCGA (320x200x256), and I can say with confidence that
the IIgs's 320x200x256 mode surpasses it for the most part (smaller "round"
pixels, rather than "square" pixels found in MCGA). Isn't rather odd, that of
all platforms, GS-game software has usually been superior to ports done for
IBM, Amiga, Atari ST, Macintosh, and even game systems like Genesis or SNES?
Take for example Taito's "Arkanoid II" or "Rastan", Electronic Art's "Zany
Golf" or "The Immortal". Discovery Software's "Sword of Sodan", Sierra's
"Thexder" or the lastest example, InterPlay's "Out of This World"! If you
compare these to many of the systems above, you'd find the graphics, animation,
and music are superior in the IIgs versions.

>Now...  Since this news group was created for (I assume) Apple II
>emulators, maybe we can talk about that instead of an annoying
>flame war...

Speaking of which, I hope you don't perceive my comments as flame.
I just wanted to voice my opinion, especially in light of the rather
negative (and some false) things said about the Apple IIgs.

>Dan Wolfson (wolfsond@cse.fau.edu)
>
>"We'll always be remembered..... We'll always be dismembered."

Mitchell Spector
Concordia University
spector@vax2.concordia.ca
From: jimmys@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Jimmy Shaw)
Subject: What happened to all the new demos?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Reply-To: jimmys@ics.uci.edu (Jimmy Shaw)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 24 Dec 92 07:53:42 GMT


I was just wondering what had happened to all the new demos that
were supposed to be released?  I can recall something called
"The Cindy Crawford Demo," plus a couple more whose name escape
me in my current state of drunken stupor (pre-Christmas party :)

Man, ever since FTA left, demos are becoming a thing of the past :(


Jimmy

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From: sadasiva@utkvx3.utk.edu (Sadasivam, Krishna Madur)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: GS+ Magazine
Date: 24 Dec 92 17:31:00 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Has the November/December issue of GS+ Mag begun to ship? I haven't received
my copy yet...


Krish
From: gregt+@CMU.EDU (Gregory Ross Thompson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Hardware Hacking
Date: 30 Dec 92 21:20:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.IfEdwpO00YUo86a45k
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

jon@qed.cts.com (Jonathan Fether) writes:
> I know that there are stereo outs on the esoniq chip. The only thing is 
> Apple made that stupid MONO (UGH) jack on the GS. It would have cost just 
> as much to install the same thing, in stereo.

  Huh?  No.  I don't think so.  It's not as if they just didn't
connect one wire.  You need to demux the signals, and send them to the
appropriate channel.  Granted, it's trivial.  Granted, they couldn
have put the hardware on the board.  It would most certainly NOT have
"cost just as much to install the same thing, in stereo."

  I also seem to remember some story a while ago about the hardware
dudes using that realestate for something else, although precisely
what it was eludes me at the moment.  It could simply be yet another
product of my imagination, but who's to say...

		-Greg
		 InterNet: gregt+@cmu.edu
		       or: gt0t+@andrew.cmu.edu
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From: 90taobri@BLUFFS.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Truetype requests on caltech
Date: 3 Jan 93 17:16:04 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


    By request, the following Truetype fonts have been uploaded to the
/pub/apple2/incoming/ directory on the ccosun.caltech.edu FTP site:

-rw-rw-rw-  1 ftp        159418 Jan  3 17:14 AvantGarde.shk
-rw-rw-rw-  1 ftp        197535 Jan  3 17:14 Bookman.shk
-rw-rw-rw-  1 ftp        217610 Jan  3 17:15 NewCenturySchBk.shk
-rw-rw-rw-  1 ftp        225889 Jan  3 17:16 Palatino.shk
-rw-rw-rw-  1 ftp         39038 Jan  3 17:16 Symbol.shk
-rw-rw-rw-  1 ftp         49190 Jan  3 17:16 ZapfChancery.shk
-rw-rw-rw-  1 ftp         50160 Jan  3 17:16 ZapfDingbats.shk

AvantGarde - Plain, Bold
Bookman, NewCenturySchbk, Palatino - Plain, Bold, Italic, Bold-Italic
Symbol, ZapfChancery, ZapfDingbats - Plain

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From: mcobb@scott.skidmore.edu (mary cobb)
Subject: Memory
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 14:05:34 GMT

I love that StarTrek game for the IIGS.  Unfortunately, it fades to black and
crashes right in the middle of the game.. I assume this is due to my only 
having 1meg of memory rather than the suggested 1.5.  I REALLY don't want to
spend any more money on this computer of mine, I've put enough into it already.
But does anyone know where I could get some more memory, CHEAP?  I'm looking
for something other than a five-finger discount, here.  I have an Apple 1 meg
card in there now.  Wasn't there a RamWorks or something like that where you
piggy-backed cards?  I don't know, please mail me with your suggestions.
Thanks.
 
Eric
From: vandry@CAM.ORG (Phillip Vandry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: re-entrant programs
Date: 24 Dec 92 19:27:12 GMT
Organization: Champlain Regional College, St-Lambert QC CANADA

dockery@griffin.cuc.ab.ca (Sean Dockery) writes:

>Wouldn't this be as easy as having the initialization stage of the
>routine save the old values of the variables in an internal buffer or
>external stack, and restores the previous values when it reaches the
>end of the routine?

If you want to use an internal buffer, it wouldn't work because if your
routine got called again, the buffer would contain variables from two
executions up and you wouldn't want to overwrite it with stuff from one
execution up.

If you're talking about saving those old values on the stack, then you've
just defined a recursive, reentrant routine! It's not the best way of doing
recursion, but it works, and to answer your question "Wouldn't it be as easy as
having...", well, yes, it would be that easy. :)

>I have previously implemented this inside some of my programs.  Oh,
>well.  I guess it was bound to happen.  (Never mind: it's an inside
>joke going around my programming group about me re-inventing the
>wheel.)

That's good. That means you're at least as smart as the pioneers of computing
who invented it first :)

>sean
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Subject: Re: Comments Anyone?
From: jon@qed.cts.com (Jonathan Fether)
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:42:26 GMT
Organization: The QED BBS, Lakewood CA

Are you sure you don't mean Sculley's Hatred? It's a local call to me. 

Sculleys Hatred - (310)516-6017 An ogg-Netted BBS

********** For reference only - I do not support Sculley's hatred because 
********** they are also 1200s hatred. Now why would they do that?

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The QED BBS -- (310)420-9327
From: jearls@phoenix.csc.calpoly.edu (Johnson Earls)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: ProDOS/8 booting:  how to run a different SYS file?
Summary: Modifying ProDOS/8 boot sequence?
Date: 25 Dec 92 00:31:04 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Cal Poly SLO


Hey all,

    I wrote a program called 'BootSel' and am looking for ways to
expand it.  BootSel replaces the PRODOS file on a disk.  When the disk
is booted, it looks at the apple/command key and uses that to determine
whether to load GSOS or ProDOS/8 into memory.  It then loads the
appropriate file and executes it.  What I would like to do is to make
it so it can either boot ProDOS/8 normally, or tell ProDOS/8 to run a
specific SYS file when it starts rather than just running the first
.SYSTEM file it finds.  Note that when BootSel runs, ProDOS/8 isn't in
memory yet, so I can't just load another SYS file and run it; I have to
somehow modify the ProDOS/8 startup code to run whichever SYS file I'm
looking at.

Thanks,
- john
-- 
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From: diff@comtch.spk.wa.us (Rick Diffley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: comments
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:33:20 GMT
Organization: Waffle BBS at CompuTech Spokane, Washington

Hey Beastie!
 
Don't stay away!  Heck, if you strongly feel that there's too much Mac 
bashing, your sharing of your perceptions on this can be helpful.  Simply 
staying away REALLY doesn't solve anything; plus, you miss out on 
chatting with all the wonderful folks here ;-)
 
= Diff = { GEnie...R.Diffley }

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From: spector@vax2.concordia.ca (Mitchell Spector)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: re: Using fonts > 255 points
Date: 24 Dec 92 05:36:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

90taobri@CHASM.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao) writes...
>[mention of fonts and Pointless clipped]
>certainly within the capabilities of a 4.25-meg GS.  It also makes those
>8-megabyte cards look *very* attractive.  ;-)

   This has little to do with the orginal thread, but your mention of 8 megabyte
RAM cards for the IIgs caught my eye! :) I'm currently running my ROM 3 system
with 2.125 Mb, though I'd like to increase my memory size to something more
suitable to my needs; especially once I buy a hardrive! ;-) 

   My orginal plans were to buy the 4mb RAM-GS from Sequential Systems, but
I just noticed an ad in InCider/A+ that CV-Technologies is offering a *new*
8 megabyte ramcard! Apparently it comes with 4Mb soldered on (like the RAM-GS),
yet it has the plus side that it can be expanded to 5,6,7, or a full 8megs on
the same card...no piggybacking or other tricks. This sounds great, and worth
the extra $50 or so, but I'm wondering about a few things. First, how reliable
is the card, and does it stay fully DMA compatible up to 8 megs? The other thing
I'm wondering is, my ROM 3 has 1meg standard and adding a stock 8-mb CV Tech
card will bring it to 5megs. Will that 5 megs be DMA compatible? I remember 
hearing the GS is only DMA with up to 4 megs ram...but what happens when there's
1 megabyte on the motherboard and only 4 megs in the memory expansion slot?

   I'd like to hear from others who've already bought this new card....
(Btw, this is _not_ the CV tech card that was expandable to 4mb on the card,
and another 4mb via the piggyback connector on it's side for a total of 8megs.)

>-- Real name: Brian Tao (Dept. of Exobiology, University of Toronto)

Mitchell Spector
Concordia University
spector@vax2.concordia.ca




Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
(Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0n6dD0-0000X5C; Tue, 29 Dec 92 01: 25 PST
From: bslog@pro-scat.cts.com (Bill Logsdon)
Subject: Re: problems w/comp.sys.apple2
Organization: ProLine [pro-scat] St. Petersburg, Florida.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 22:52:03 EST


I beg your pardon... those of us in most of our disgruntled groups do not
wish to don brown shirts and dismember Sculley....

We simply would like to invite him to a barbecue, warm up his feet a
little, and have him (in vain) try to explain why they are killing the
high-end apple // and continuing to support the low-end model....

even tho we know it provided too much competition for the low end macs...

Ya know, its kinda funny, how so many // users are migrating to the
Monkey-Dos world.... all apple had to do, was build a bridge machine
(perhaps the new GS) that would run low end mac stuff.... most users would
upgrade... would be unable to resist the temptation of obtaining mac
stuff... and, having made an investment in mac software, be more likely to
migrate to that machine... instead of monkey-dos...

I often wonder if I would be switching now, if a viable upgrade path, that
didn't destroy my vast software library, were available within Apple's
product line.... as it is, at least my monkey-dos machine is backward
compatible.... and I can still run old favorites, even if I upgrade...
From: diff@comtch.spk.wa.us (Rick Diffley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Optimization/fragmentation
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:36:32 GMT
Organization: Waffle BBS at CompuTech Spokane, Washington

I like ProSel and never had any problems.
 
= Diff = { GEnie...R.Diffley }

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From: 90taobri@CHASM.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: .QWK readers
Date: 3 Jan 93 01:43:58 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: MuGS Research and Development Facility

The following revelation escaped Soenke Behrens's lips:
> 
> .QWK packets are usually archived with what archiver you specify to the
> BBS software. BBS software that does not support it seems obsolete, I'd
> say. Update :)

    But don't BBS also expect the reply packet to be compressed as well? 
Unpacking foreign archives isn't much of a problem (especially on the GS),
but as far as I know, we don't have a reliable (or quick) utility for
making ZIP, LHA, ARJ, etc. archives.

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From: PKBRANDON@MSUS1.MSUS.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Turbo mouse
Date: 2 Jan 93 19:05:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Tried the latest Kensington Turbo Mouse on my GS; worked very erratically.
Problem is, I think, that some Mac ADB devices come with customizing 
software (Mac-specific) that is necessary for proper operation.  On the
other hand, some Mac ADB devices do work well on the GS; I've got a Costar
'Stingray' trackball that works nicely, likewise an Appoint 'Mousepen'.
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From: as607@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matt Ostanik)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Got 15 minutes to spare?  READ ME!
Date: 22 Dec 1992 21:35:51 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


 
I need to ask a favor of somebody:
 
One of my System 6 disks (Install, to be specific) has mysteriously developed
several I/O errors while sitting in a stack of disks on the computer desk;
it had its write protect ON, and was sitting in the middle of a stack of disks;
almost all of the other disks are fine (except for two others, one of which
won't boot and the other of which is totally ruined.  But that's a different
story).  Of course, I never bothered to get around to making a backup of the
System 6 disks.  (Yes, I'm an idiot, I know it, and I've made backups now.)
 
Anyway, could somebody please pack and binSCII the Install disk, and e-mail
it to me?  My preferred InterNET address is mostanik@heartland.bradley.edu,
although all of my other addresses are set to forward to this one.  Also,
when you send the disk, please make sure that you split it in half and put
each half in its own message; in other words, send it in *TWO* messages.
This account has a time limit on it, and I don't have enough time per session
to download a single message containing even a compressed 800k disk (I've
tried before).
 
I would *very* much appreciate it if somebody could do this for me.  Don't
bother to send e-mail asking about it first; just go ahead and send it (unless
you're reading this message like a week after it was posted; it's currently
12/22/92 15:33 CDT).  I would like to this have as soon as possible, because
I've promised to give a copy of it to someone else (that's how I found the
errors in the first place).
 
Thanks in advance!
 
-- 
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(Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0n6ZgD-0000ZtC; Mon, 28 Dec 92 21: 39 PST
From: meistro@pro-nsdapple.cts.com (Brian Plume)
Subject: MIDI problems
Organization: ProLine [pro-nsdapple] - North San Diego Apple Users Group
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 21:27:34 PST

 
I also posted this message in another sub, but I wanted to make sure
I put it in the right places...sorry if you are reading this a SECOND
time.......... 
 
:I have an Audio Animator Card and a professional keyboard.
:I also have Master tracks PRO (not Junior) v1.01
:I can't seem to get it to recognize the audio animator.
:It works FINE on Master tracks JUNIOR.
:I was wondering if there is a different driver or something that
:I need, or whether or not I have the driver NAMED the right thing.
:This MIDI stuff is ALL new to me, and I would be most grateful
:if someone helped me.
:
:Better yet, if someone out there could tell me what sequencer THEY use,
:and maybe where to get it, that would be great too.  I don't know
:what other kinds of sequencers there are besides:
:SynthLab, Master Tracks Junior, and Master Tracks PRO.
:
:thank you very much for your time.
:
:Meistro
:
:P.S.  Have a GREAT New Year everyone.  1993 is going to be KICKIN!!!!
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From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: Switch-It! Demo
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 06:02:34 GMT

badbunny@tfsp.saic.com (Brendan Hoar) writes:

>I'd just like to be the first on csa2 to say.....

>WAY COOL!

>Thanks Jawaid et al.  Now that I don't have the dreaded job of cleaning out my  
>/h1/icons folder so that Finder doesn't take 10 minutes to load (since its
>already loaded...), I think I may be taking advantage of the desktop a whole
>lot more.  Er, to clarify (since I don't know exactly how to edit that... :(),
>I'll only have to load finder ONCE per reboot instead of 1000 times between 
>applications.  This is cool.

>As usual, a couple of odd things:

>In the demo version, you might want to remove the 'DO NOT COPY' etc message
>from the about box.  Don't want the AOL/Genie/etc people panicing and pulling
>it, do you?  Er...panicking?

  Hmm. Hopefully they'll notice the 'override' in the textedit box
that pops up first :) And, everyone knows who I am, and who wrote
Switch-It!.

>BTW, I've had some strange behavior with the 10 minute time out...how is that
>detected and when can it pop up that message?  I've had ModZAP crash, but I
>wasn't shift booted at the time, so maybe I should keep my mouth shut about
>it...nevermind. :)

  Well, I'll refrain from giving would-be pirates the answer to your
first question... it can pop it up any time a GetNextEvent is called
after the timeout expires.  As for your second- um, let me put it this way.
soniqTracker has no problems with SI!. :-)

>Keep Sequential Systems on their toes and get that product out FAST!

  Bah... they've been keeping _me_ on _my_ toes with it. :)

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From: seane@pro-scat.cts.com (Sean Eller)
Subject: How to keep 9600 baud ALWAYS.
Organization: ProLine [pro-scat] St. Petersburg, Florida.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 22:02:10 EST

I'm using ProTerm 2.0 and was wondering how to stop it from dropping to
2400 every time it dials out.  The only thing 
I can do is set the driver to null-modem and set the online to 9600 before
I dial.  I then have to use AT commands or macros, but I want to still use
the built in dialer so it will redial on busy.  Is there some patch so that
the baud rate stays at 9600 in the dialing directory.  I'm using a supra
2400+ with v.42bis.  Can anyone help?  Thanks...

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From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Subject: Re: PC Transporter 5.25-inch drive from AE
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:06:07 GMT

rodriguez@vnet.ibm.com (Robert J. Rodriguez) writes:

>Is there any way to connect an Applied Engineering 5.25-inch TransDrive
>(for use with PC Transporter) to a PS/2 Model 57-SLC as a regular IBM
>5.25-inch external drive?

Yes. Take out the mechanism, it should be standard IBM style (in fact, it
is). Put the mechanism into your PS/2, connect power and the drive cable,
that's it. But keep in mind: 360k only ... not really worth it, unless
you _have_ to write 360k disks that can be read by any 360k drive.

Soenke
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