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From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Abs Question
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:15:19 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall) writes:


>dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>>There is little difference between eating a candy bar
>>or drinking fruit juice.

>...except for the many grams of fat found in most candy bars. Fruit
>juice is fat free.

How much vitamin C is in that candy bar?  How much fiber?

Really.


-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: jbaron@higgs.ssc.gov (Jeff Baron)
Subject: Re: StairMaster Technique?
Reply-To: jbaron@higgs.ssc.gov (Jeff Baron)
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Lab
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:17:17 GMT

Margot writes:

- But I don't select a "difficulty level".  I input my weight and
- can vary the speed.....

[My fault here; your "speed" is my "difficulty".]

- I often do *not* use my hands (I assume you mean putting weight
- on my hands or holding the hand rail) and it *is* much easier.

- Have you ever used one of these?  Perhaps we're talking about
- different machines?

Perhaps we are.  The stairmaster that I'm talking about is a white
machine that has two pedals connected by arms to a gear device 
near the lower part of the machine, and you shift your weight
back and forth, from one pedal to another, while you "climb".

There are older models, which actually have a big, moving staircase.
Perhaps this is what you have.

In any event, taking weight off of your feet and shifting it to
your hands, even if it is only resting the weight of your hands
on something, will lessen the amount of energy needed to keep up
with the vertical movement of the machine.  Perhaps using *your* 
hands makes the exercise more awkward for you, and you have 
to expend energy to compensate for that.

--
Jeff Baron
jbaron@gauss.ssc.gov
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From: crobshaw@rd.hydro.on.ca (Catharine Robshaw)
Subject: NordicTrack Routine?
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 20:16:33 GMT

Well, it's New Year's Resolution time.  I am about to start on a
regular exercise routine using my NordicSport Ski machine.  Anyone
out there have some encouraging experiences to share about this,
my only piece of exercise equipment?  What is a good starting routine
for a beginner?  I would like to lose about 20 lbs.  I know that
exercise and good eating habits go hand in hand.  I hope this
NordicTrack lives up to its reputation, but I guess that's up to me.
Wish me luck!


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  Ontario Hydro Research Division  |  fax:     (416) 231-3748    
  Toronto, Ontario, Canada         |  e-mail:  crobshaw@rd.hydro.on.ca 
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: younger@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: Target Heartrate
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: usa,na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:19:39 GMT

>     Mike Behnke writes: 
> I have been told by my doctor that 3-4 hours of MODERATE aerobic execise a week
> is MUCH better than 5 or 6 bursts of high intensty anaerobic exercise a week.
> 

     Just curious...what does your doctor mean by better?  Why should your 
  doctor (or for that matter any doctor) have any more insight on this topic 
  than someone who is interested in keeping fit and attempts to keep up to 
  date on this topic?

                                      jwy
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From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: StairMaster Technique?
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:43:02 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

gb03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GEORGE PHILIP BLUHM) writes:

>In article <Bq06AE.Dx8@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, djn20624@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Danielson)
> writes:

To be a bit more specific:

>>       At the gym here at the U of I, I see several different "techniques"
>>that people use on the stairmaster :
>>
>>       1. some people put their hands on the front of the console and
>>          stand erect.  Nearly all their weight is on their feet.  These
>>          people only use the stairmaster for about 25 - 30 min on a
>>          med-high setting

This is the proper posture for using the stairmaster.  These people are 
using their hands for balance.  You say that they *only* use the stairmaster
for 25-30 minutes, but that is really a long time, and it is quite a good
workout.

>>       2. others lean all over the hand trails and support most of their
>>          weight that way.  But these people usually go about an hour
>>          on the highest setting

They can go for an hour because they are cheating.  This is like doing
stomach crunches and letting your head rest on the floor in between each
one.  You can exercise longer, but you won't get the full effect of the 
exercise.

Also, these people risk injuring their backs.

>>       3. still others lean when they get tired.  After leaning on the
>>          rails for a minute or two, they'll let go of the rails for a
>>          while.

Again, they are cheating.  Slow down if you need to, but don't bend over.

>>   Which one is the "best" for an aerobic exercise??

The first one.

>>   Will doing #1 build more muscle?

I don't think  the stairmaster is supposed to be used to build muscle.  
Toning and conditioning, yes, building - no.

-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
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From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: WHAT DOES POLY-UNSATURATED MEAN
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:25:01 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1993Jan11.101913.617@hnrc.tufts.edu> loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan10.133733.18998@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, vittallo@ssd.comm.mot.com (John Vittallo) writes:
>> 
>> Also, are there other types of oil or fat?
>
>Yes.  In saturated fats, each carbon has four bonds.  Each bond is bonded to a 
>hydrogen or proton if you will.  Thus saturated.  Poly unsaturated oils are
>oils that have several carbon bonds, some of which are double, but are not
>all bound to protons.  This is the simplest way I can put it without getting
>too technical.  If you get a chance pickup a Biochemistry book and flip through
>it.
>
>-Rob

I hate biochemistry.  Why not teel us which fats are good and bad?  Which
ones won't make us fat?  :-)

							-Adam

-- 
     **********************************************************************
     *               Adam Silver    Powerlifter/Armwrestler               *
     *           silver@umd5.umd.edu    University of Maryland            *
     **********************************************************************
From: ayoung@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: high reps + low weight = BIG muscles
Date: 7 Jan 93 09:14:53 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620


 According to classical fitness theory, very high reps (ie. hundreds) with
low weight improve the slow-twitch aerobic muscles - which does NOT result
in significant hypertrophy.

 So why do women who do lots of aerobics develop huge calves ?

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From: wet@niksula.hut.fi (Vesa T|rm{nen)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Arm & Shoulder warmups
Date: 11 Jan 93 11:40:33 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland


Before I went to serve my 11 months in the military, I used to play badminton
once or twice a week and had no problems. I took a year off playing, but have
added size and strength lifting weights. Now I have played with my girlfriend
a couple of times and injured my shoulder slightly in the first time and 
last weekend I hurt my triceps pretty bad.

I've tried to warm up as well as I could, and I think that is not the problem,
because my arm has begun hurting after 45 minutes or so. The problem is 
hitting with the arm real loose (like a whip). It seems my terndons can't 
take it anymore. Has anyone had similar problems or a solution?

Tough to lose to my girlfriend because I can only hit forehand shots...

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: jbaron@higgs.ssc.gov (Jeff Baron)
Subject: Re: StairMaster Technique?
Reply-To: jbaron@higgs.ssc.gov (Jeff Baron)
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Lab
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:36:07 GMT

mprisco@puma.cat.syr.edu  writes:
- 
- Now I've only been doing the Stairmaster for a month or two but
- it seems to me that if you say you weigh less the machine is 
- easier to use and that putting weight on you arms in effect makes
- you
- weigh less and makes the machine more difficult.  Does this sound
- right to anyone?
- 
- Margot

This is really getting quite silly.

First of all, the stairmaster is based on the physics principle that
it takes energy to move mass upward.  The machine moves you down,
at a rate according to the selected difficulty level, and your legs
move you up.  This same physics principle dictates that it takes
*more* energy to move some mass some distance upwards than it would
take to move a lesser mass that same distance.  The physics
principle, gravity, is quite straightforward, and fortunately, those
physicists have not yet indicated that gravity is the same as those
pesky nuclear forces.  That would, undoubtedly, introduces countless 
complications into the equation.

Second, why don't you just *try* not using your hands?  Why do
this (flawed) reasoning when you can simply try it?  You'll see
for yourself, without any of us telling you, that it does indeed
take more energy if your hands are waving in the air, or even
down by your side.

And don't try it for 1 minute, try it for 15 minutes, until you 
can't go anymore.  People who *do* use their hands can generally
not go for even *5* minutes at the same level without them, 
regardless of how much weight they think they are supporting.  This
is not by *any* means meant to suggest that hands are bad, it's
just a statement of reality.

--
Jeff Baron
jbaron@gauss.ssc.gov
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From: bergstrm@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Todd Bergstrom)
Subject: Re: StairMaster Technique?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:22:19 GMT


>>>       2. others lean all over the hand trails and support most of their
>>>          weight that way.  But these people usually go about an hour
>>>          on the highest setting


	Here at school when I work out with the stairmasters I probably look
like the odd one in the crowd because I use a full stride(comfortable length)
while most others (usually the females) are just zipping along with 4 inch
strides while supporting their weight with locked arms.  In comparison, I look
like I am moving in slow motion. I can't believe they think they are working
out  at all.  I don't know why they don't stay home and wiggle their toes for 
an hour to get an equvalent workout.  

       A simple explanation on why a full stride is important.  If you look
into a window or mirror while on the stairmaster your body will move up and
down a little with each stride.  This distance is the important factor as 
physics does not lie

    work equals force(body weight) time distance (movement of your
From: z_westmorelb@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Egg Whites and Protein
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:01:09 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Two Quick Questions:

	1) -- I've read where egg whites are excellent sources of protein, but 
		how much fat and chlosterol is in your average egg white?

	2) -- How much protein (grams) is in your average egg white?

Thanks
Lee Westmoreland
z_westmorelb@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
From: marksteg@merv.detroit.sgi.com (Mark Stegbauer)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: NordicTrack Gold
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:24:50 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <52230003@hpindda.cup.hp.com>, knight@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Paul
Knight) writes:
|> I own a Flex Gold.  I'm rather happy with it.  However, there are a few
|> things that you should think about.  First, the sytem doesn't use
|> weights,
|> but it uses a centrifugal brake.  The harder you push, the harder it
|> resists.

	I have wondered if because of this, do you get negative resistance?? It
would seem you would have to pull/push the bar to get resistance because of
the "drum brake" setup. Therefore, you could not get the equivelent of
"slowly lowering a barbell in the benchpress" or any other type of negative
resistance (or static resistance for that matter). Is this
true????????????? 



|> This keeps the weight of the machine down so that it can be put in a 
|> second floor room.  Second, the workmanship is quite good.  Third, it
|> takes
|> a bit of fussing around to change the machine between different
|> exercises.
|> Some of the leg exercises are a bit clumsy, the the upper body
|> exercises
|> are pretty good.  Fourth, the maximum resistance is limited to an
|> equivalent
|> of 350 pounds.  I personally find this too low, but for most people it 
|> will be sufficient.  Fifth, it doesn't take up much floor space. 
|> Sixth,
|> Nordic Track is very responsive to customer problems.
|> 
|> In summary, I like it very much and would recommend it.  I did
|> supplement
|> the machine with Nordic Track's back and abdominal machine.  This Flex
|> Gold is not good for exercising the abdomen and lower back.  
|> 
|> 		       
|> 						    Paul L. Knight
From: phantast@drachen.Eng.Sun.COM (Greg Dykema)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: where do jocks buy jeans?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 01:08:37 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: phantast@drachen.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: drachen

In article 2578@cbnewsk.cb.att.com, krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:
...
>What I want to know is where do other wanna-be-jock-types get their
>jeans from?
>
>Keith R

My current favorite is Anchor Blue, available at Miller's Outpost and perhaps
others. They have a couple of different cuts depending on how baggy you like it.
Jeans For Men With Thighs (Who Want To Keep Their Balls Too)*. Give 'em a try.


greg
*that's not the brand name ;-)

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: pfern@technix.mn.org (Paul Fernquist)
Subject: Re: StairMaster Technique?
Organization: Private System - Saint Paul, MN
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 14:20:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.192219.21089@news.acns.nwu.edu> bergstrm@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Todd Bergstrom) writes:
>
>       A simple explanation on why a full stride is important.  If you look
>into a window or mirror while on the stairmaster your body will move up and
>down a little with each stride.  This distance is the important factor as 
>physics does not lie
>
>    work equals force(body weight) time distance (movement of your

I took physics a long time ago and it seems to me that all of the
potential energy you put into your body when you go up is released
when you come down. I don't think the bobbing of your body has any net
effect. The work comes from the force and motion of the pedals. The
force on the way down is greater so you put more energy into the pedal on
the way down than the pedal puts into your body on the way up. I read
some place that the longer stride is better because the increased range
of motion exercises more of the muscle. Maybe that is what you are
feeling.
-- 
Paul Fernquist
uunet: pfern@technix.mn.org
email: ...!uunet!cs.umn.edu!kksys!edgar!technix!pfern
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mprisco@puma.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: Re: StairMaster Technique?
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 16:42:07 EST

In article <1993Jan11.173607.10022@sunova.ssc.gov> jbaron@higgs.ssc.gov (Jeff Baron) writes:
>mprisco@puma.cat.syr.edu  writes:
>- 
>- Now I've only been doing the Stairmaster for a month or two but
>- it seems to me that if you say you weigh less the machine is 
>- easier to use and that putting weight on you arms in effect makes
>- you
>- weigh less and makes the machine more difficult.  Does this sound
>- right to anyone?
>- 
>- Margot
>
>This is really getting quite silly.
>
>First of all, the stairmaster is based on the physics principle that
>it takes energy to move mass upward.  The machine moves you down,
>at a rate according to the selected difficulty level, and your legs

But I don't select a "difficulty level".  I input my weight and
can vary the speed.....


>move you up.  This same physics principle dictates that it takes
>*more* energy to move some mass some distance upwards than it would
>take to move a lesser mass that same distance.  The physics
>principle, gravity, is quite straightforward, and fortunately, those
>physicists have not yet indicated that gravity is the same as those

>pesky nuclear forces.  That would, undoubtedly, introduces countless 
>complications into the equation.
>
>Second, why don't you just *try* not using your hands?  Why do
>this (flawed) reasoning when you can simply try it?  You'll see

I often do *not* use my hands (I assume you mean putting weight
on my hands or holding the hand rail) and it *is* much easier.

>for yourself, without any of us telling you, that it does indeed
>take more energy if your hands are waving in the air, or even
>down by your side.

Have you ever used one of these?  Perhaps we're talking about
different machines?


>--
>Jeff Baron
>jbaron@gauss.ssc.gov

Margot (mprisco@cat.syr.edu)

--
--
"I think we're passing through here kind of fast,
  Did you think these tracks in the dust would last? "
                                         - David Crosby
From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Consecutive days workout?
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:12:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1993Jan7.002506.23582@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> haro@sable.jpl.nasa.gov (Raul Haro) writes:
>
>Hi There!
>
>I have a question about working out on consecutive days on the same muscle
>groups. What I do know applies to mass building and I know that you should
>allow at least a day before working on the same muscle group. My questions
>are:
>
>1. Does this also apply to muscle toning using free weigths?

If the following conditions apply, then no.
	a) you are only working for a light pump, ie., nowhere near failure.
	b) you have no intentions to increase the resistance/speed (intensity )
	c) if you don't feel sore on the first _or the second_ day after 
>
>2. Does this also apply to muscle toning using circuit training (machines)? 

Same as above.
>
>3. What are the effects, if any, for not allowing a days rest.

Burnout. Your workout performance will get progressively poorer,
rather than better.  You will run an increased risk of injury.
You may feel generally sluggish rather than fresh.
>
>Thanks
>
>C-YA
>Raul

Keith R
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From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: Re: high reps + low weight = BIG muscles
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:05:46 GMT

In article <4160019@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> loftis@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Loftis) writes:
>
>I guess for women, having large calves is not "sexy". 
>I personally like calves if they have definition regardless of size.
>
>Kirk

Let the church say amen!
Definition _and_ fullness of shape is where it's at!

Keith R
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: hajel@engin.umich.edu (john hajel)
Subject: Carbs and diet
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 10:54:29 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor


I started lifting weights 5 months ago(I wouldn't call me
a bodybuilder yet). I have a complete lifting routine and
I want to eat right.

I have a few questions:

1)  How many grams of carbohydrates should I eat a day?
2)  How many grams of protein should I eat a day?
3)  When should I eat and how often?

Oh yeah, I am 5'9" and weigh 165.

Thanks,
John Hajel

hajel@quip.eecs.umich.edu


Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: edelosh@brazil.psych.purdue.edu (Edward Delosh)
Subject: Stairmaster Positions
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:09:54 GMT

There is one method of using the Stairmaster which I don't believe has
been mentioned.  I recall reading in Bicycling magazine (in an off season
training article) that a good way to work slightly different muscle groups
is to flip around and do it "backwards".  I don't remember the speicifics
of the article, and I rarely use the Stairmaster myself, so I can't tell
you any more than that, but someone might want to give it a whirl.....

Ed
--
                        
Ed DeLosh                   
Purdue University             
edelosh@psych.purdue.edu        
From: knight@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Paul Knight)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:18:24 GMT
Subject: Re: Rowing machine or NordiTrack Ski machine?
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: misc.fitness


a
I have a Nordic Track ski machine.  I love it. However, Nordic Track also 
makes a rowing machine.  My experience with the company is that their stuff
is very good.


Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: smay@boi.hp.com (Scott Smay)
Subject: Re: Concept II Ergometer cross-training w/running
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 22:23:03 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Banchy (banchy@tron.bwi.wec.com) wrote:
: Apologies if this is a FAQ, but I don't have access to any rowing 
: newsgroups.  I'm considering purchasing my first "real" piece of
: home exercise equipment (other than a windtrainer) for full-body
: workouts, and I wanted to hear from anyone about the Concept II.
:
If you have access, rec.boats.paddle has quite a few rowers in it. (Also
some vocal anti-rowers.)
 
: Unfortunately, none of our local stores have one in stock to try,
: so I'd like to hear from netters.  Specifically, I want to know
: if it is better than the Liferower (which I have tried and found
: to be pretty bad).  Also, has anyone had success cross-training
: with running?  I run about 3 times per week (my 10k pace is about
: 38min), and I need something that gives a good 45min workout on
: my off-days, or days like today when the weather stinks.
: 
I use a Concept II in the winter. In the summer I am mainly a runner, in the
winter I mainly xcski or run, and row for cross training. I think the CII is
a great machine, a great workout, durable and simple. I plan to get one when I
find one used. I haven't used the Liferower or the NordicRow, but I've seen
them and I don't get the same sense of solidity from them. 

On the CII, I find myself doing shorter, higher intensity workouts than I
normally run. Usually I do 2 or 3 sets of 10-20 minutes each, with a stagger,
stretch and a drink in between. I couldn't say if rowing has helped my
running, but it's certainly helped my skiing.

: Input on price and how to pick up a used machine would also be
: appreciated.  I think the price through a store (after markup)
: is about $800-900 in this area.  BTW, my reason for looking at
: the Concept II instead of the Nordic Track is that I feel like
: a rowing workout differs from a running workout more than a
: X-country workout would, and the variety would be more rewarding.
: Comments?
:
I find rowing to be more of a power game than running or classical skiing, 
more like (ski) skating. I haven't found a machine yet that offered what I'd
call variety, but I do favor the CII over the Nordic Track (on which I feel
like I'm pretending to ski).

cheers,
scott smay 
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