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From: megazone@buckaroo.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: New Pink Panther series to appear this fall.
Date: 16 Dec 1992 01:34:39 GMT
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
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In article <1glss7INN48q@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bw286@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cleveland A. Hardin) writes:
>For the first time the PP will have a voice.  Pink Panther last appeared

Actually, he did speak in at least one short that I remember... He was rolling
a HUGE diamond and made a comment about a rolling stone gathers no moss...

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From: jkwashna@pearl.tufts.edu (J.J. Kwashnak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: A Wish for Wings That Work
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:22:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

For those of you who have been pining for the Opus Christmas Special
"A Wish for Wings That Work", it will be rerun on Thursday, December 24th
at 8:30 EST on CBS.

Set the VCR's

J.J. Kwashnak
JKWASHNA@pearl.tufts.edu
From: emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: BTAS GIFs
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:12:57 GMT
Organization: MegaCorp Central Complex

I've uploaded my Batman screengrabs to wuarchive.wustl.edu.  Their names:

clock-king.gif
closing.gif
Intro-Batman.gif
Intro-crooks.gif
intro-mobile.gif
POV_bad_guy.gif
POV_batman.gif
swing.gif

Enjoy.
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From: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Defending anime (was Re: Cheap animation)
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:48:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434
Reply-To: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney) 

To: avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)

TF>Ray Rooney (ray.rooney@satalink.com) wrote:
TF>>
TF>>I am not betting on it being shown. Some guy at a con claimed it had
TF>>been test-run (like Samarai Pizza Cats, I guess)

TF>Which is also available on home video...

SPC? From who! I wanna order!

 * SLMR 2.1a * It ain't natural, I tell ya! - Dan'l Baboon
                                                                  
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: kennehra@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Rich"TheMan"Kennehan)
Subject: I LUV GIRLS-WITH-GUNS ANIME!!! :)
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:52:11 GMT



Ok...ok...I think we've had about enough of Kevin's BMCing  (Bitch
moan, and complain) about anime in general.  Hey Kevin, if you've got
any guts, I dare you to post on rec.arts.anime and then see what
happens :)  
  Other than that, quick show of hands...all those who love saucer eyed
girl-with-guns anime, say HOOOO!!! :)

- Rich
  kennehra@logic.camp.clarkson.edu

Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: opcarr@netcom.com (Onny Carr)
Subject: Re: BTAS: prime time
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:27:05 GMT

mueller@b30news.b30.ingr.com ( Phil Mueller) writes:
: 
: Prime time premiere -- "I am the Night"
: 
: Brrrrr, they sure started off with a dark one.  Too dark, I think.
: "Nothing to Fear" is just as good, a little lighter, and more in keeping
: with the rest of the series.  I suppose Fox figured that most adults
: tuning in would expect the movie, but NtF is, IMO, closer to the movie.

I thought Fox chose the right episode to kick off BTAS's prime time
lineup.  I think this is the episode everybody was raving about 
(with possible exception of Heart of Ice) for a while--and one of
the few episodes I missed.

I would guess that some of the more darker episodes would be
re-aired in this timeslot.

With regards to Phil's opinion on superpowers:
I don't really care where a hero/villain's power comes from,
as long as it serves to augment and enhance the character itself
into a believable form.  I rather like Mr. Freeze, and the Mad Hatter,
and Clayface.  Their crimes were executed with a clear purpose in
mind, be it revenge or love.  Other characters who are just running
amuck with no purpose should be tossed out for all I care.  By this, 
I refer specifically to the Joker.  He's the WORST!

-opc-
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From: bammerla@cs.ruu.nl (Boris Ammerlaan)
Subject: Re: Humans in Transformers
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:02:20 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

In <1992Dec15.172302.22717@news.stolaf.edu> walter@inga1.acc.stolaf.edu (Dr. Egon Spengler) writes:

>In article <1992Dec14.104519.16876@cs.ruu.nl> bammerla@cs.ruu.nl (Boris Ammerlaan) writes:
>>In <1g8nejINN677@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G. Brashear) writes:
>>
>>
>>>Does anyone remember the names of the kid and his dad who hung around
>>>with the Autobots?  Also any names for the other people who showed up
>>>from time to time.  Thanks in advance,
>>>Linda
>>>P.S.  This is for the show before the movie.  I lost interest after that,
>>>because I never saw the movie so the later episodes lost me.  Oh well.
>>
>>The father: Sparkplug
>>The kid: Spike
>>Also, Spike's girlfriend (?Carly?) showed up from time to time, and those kids
>>that were in the two "New York" episodes.
>>
>>Can't remember any other humans that played in more than one episode...
>>
>>B.A.
>
>And then when little Spikey grew up, he had a son named Danny.  
>

But that wasn't "before the movie". Also, you could have mentioned Melissa
Fairborne(?), those three people from "The Return Of Optimus Prime", all
people from the fourth series (and a few others I can't remember right now).

B.A.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: jeffj@panix.com (Jeff Jonas)
Subject: Sherlock Hound (was defending animation)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 04:46:45 GMT
Organization: Jeff's House of Electronic Parts

The Sherlock Hound tapes should be easy to find.
The Job Lot/pushcart closeout stores in NY/NJ had them for about $4.
Kay Bee toys was closing them out for $7.
But these are the 6 hr mode ones, not the 2 hour mode ones
you can rent in the video stores.

I have found the following Sherlock Hound titles:
Tales of Mystery
The Dogs of Bowserville
The White Cliffs of Rover (vol 3)
Moriarty Unleashed (vol 4)

I say that "Tales of Mystery" is the best of the tapes.
In one episode, we learn of Marie Hudson's past as an aviatrix
and her husband.  She's an excellent shot with a revolver too.
There's very thoughtful and tender character development and
interaction as Holmes convinces a child thief to confide in him.
Moriarty kidnaps Mrs. Hudson, but she's so kind to Moriarty and
his henchmen that they are extremely gentlemanly to her.
I think the story telling and action is a fair tradeoff for
its lack of fidelity to the original stories.


-- Jeffrey Jonas
jeffj@panix.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: collins_w@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: now.. how about the BEST saturday morning 'toon?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 10:26:21 GMT

In article <4_a2-7q@rpi.edu>, riouxp@rs6201.ecs.rpi.edu (Peter Joseph Rioux) writes:
> the besty one has to be the little mermaid.. the series...on abc...well, i
> know everybody won't agree, but what the hell...:)
> 
> SQUID   (having fun under the sae...:)
> riouxp@rpi.edu
   Do you mean Disney's TLM on CBS? If this wasn't limited to Saturday
mornings, I would have to say "Saban's Adventures of The Little Mermaid"
(of course :-) ).


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From: avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)
Subject: Re: Sherlock Hound (was defending animation)
Organization: University of Minnesota
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:31:57 GMT

E. Kontei (conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com) wrote:
>
>Unless I'm mistaken, Miyazaki only directed the first 6 episodes of the
>series.  The first five (including the one mentioned above) are in the
>first tape, TALES OF MYSTERY.

I think you are right regarding the tapes.  But it was my understanding
that Miyazaki took over directing the series about halfway through because
he wasn't satisfied with how they were turning out.

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re:  Poor writing in anime (Was: Cheap animation)
From: alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith)
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:29:39 GMT+12
Distribution: world
Organization: Muppet Labs

In article <n10e9t@ofa123.fidonet.org> Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>> RA> Just a suggestion: Take a good look at Disney`s pathetic
>> RA> Little Mermaid and at HER SAUCER EYES !!!
>> Ariel in no way had SAUCERED eyes!!!  Do you see
>> multiple white specs in her
>>eye, or is it correctly done with just 1 white spec at all times!!
>
> TF> Actually, she did have oversized oculars, but I'm
> TF> not sure if its because
> TF> Disney was trying to copy Japanese animation, or due to the fact that
> TF> Glen Keane doesn't draw very well.
> She may have had oversized ouclars, but I am VERY SURE she DID NOT have more
>than 1 white spec in each eye and in no way at all was there a scene where she
>looked as though she had more than 1 eyeball or pupil in each eye, unlike many
>saucered-eye girls in Japanimation with multiple white specs in each eye (that
>often move).
>
>--- Maximus 2.00

Hey, did anyone notice? Maximus 2.00 (do you suppose that could be a
pseudonym?) got through a whole post without once using the word "slut".
Admittedly it's only 5 lines, but jeez, there might be hope for the guy
after all!

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From: Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Perception of Japanimation
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:04:40 GMT
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992


 I would like to thank you all for some more insight on Japanimation.  I think 
the problem with Japanimation is the way people perceive in terms of what is
out here in the US.  I used to think that most Japanimation was just nothing
but saucered-eye girls with guns and lots of blood and violence until I saw
some Miyazaki works.  Alas, most other people when you bring up Japanese
Animation think "cute saucered-eye girls with guns or being sex obects" and
"lots of blood and gore in the animation".  That in a way is unfortante and
will hurt animation in general.  I have seen here that there is more
Japanimation that isn't saucered-eye girls nor blood and gore or nudity.  I
think a more better effort by these subtitling companies to get more of the
quality Japanimation stuff instead of the typical sterotype trash that most
people think Japanimation is (saucered-eye girls with guns, nudity, blood and 
gore, sex, other saucered-eye characters).  By doing nothing but the stuff
people know Japanimation for (Bubble Gum Crisis and Gall Force are 2 PRIME
examples of what people think typical Japanimation IS) it really hurts all
animation in general.  And really in the long run will do nothing to dispell
the fact that animaiton isn't for kids.  A better effort must be made to get
shows that really are more mature and aren't just for fanboys in college or
high school.  
 I would like to know what the thinking is over at rec.arts.anime about this? 
 I know a lot of you are fans of Japanimation and I want to know if they are
intresting in more quality Japanimation like MIyazaki and the more mature
stuff or are they more intrested in "girls with guns" and saucered-eye
characters with multiple highlights/eyeballs.  
 If "girls with guns" is considered kids stuff in Japan even, bringing out
here and saying it is "mature animation" won't do anygood!  

--- Maximus 2.00
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Japanimation reviews con't (may contain SPOILERS)
Date: 15 Dec 92 05:22:09 GMT
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.

In article <n118dt@ofa123.fidonet.org> Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
> BTW, Lum is always wearing a Bikini, I guess that is NORMAL...

I guess that you have not actually _watched_ anything with Lum in it....
--
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the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)
Subject: Re: Shallowness in TLM, BATB (Was Re: Cheap Animation)
Organization: University of Minnesota
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 01:54:06 GMT

Robert Cook (rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu) wrote:
>In article <1992Dec17.020025.18807@news2.cis.umn.edu> avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay) writes:
>>
>>[some text deleted] perhaps you should read the original
>>stories THE LITTLE MERMAID and BEAUTY AND THE BEAST were based on.
>
>Why?  To compare old written works to modern movies?  I've read both
>of these stories.

The original poster commented that the original stories were fine examples
of romaticism.  They're not: they're generally very dark and violent (in
the original TLM, after the mermaid is transformed the witch tells her
that every step will feel like she's walking barefoot on broken glass--
ouch!).

>For a fairy tale, is there really anything all that shallow about
>Disney's Beauty and the Beast? 

Yes, lots.  Both Belle and the Beast are about as one-dimensional as you
can get (even for one-dimensional drawings).  Perhaps the only character
more shallow than those two was Gaston--one of Disney's weaker villains.

>She falls in love with Beast *before*
>he is transformed, remember?  The "handsome prince" he became is
>virtually a necessity--it's what audiences expect.

You contradict yourself.  You claim those stories aren't shallow, then
you say Disney is basing their stories on "what audiences expect," instead
of what is coherent or consistent with good storytelling.  I can't think
of anything more shallow than pandering to an audience.

>Whatever his
>looks, he has to be human to get past that inter-species relationship
>hurdle.  Works for me!

And what prompts Belle to change her view of the Beast?  Why he saves
her when she's ATTACKED BY WOLVES!!!  You claim Disney felt audiences wouldn't
accept the spirituality of the original TLM.  So why does Disney think they
will accept one of the _oldest_ and shallowest plot devices in the universe? 

The audience, I'm sure, knew the Beast was going to turn into a Handsome
Prince Charming because That's The Way Things Are.  It would have been
much more interesting, less--shall we say--shallow, if Belle was too
late to prevent the Beast from changing back, but continued to love him,
anyway. 

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: Anime will destroy animation as we know it... NOT!!!
Followup-To: rec.arts.animation
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:41:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.201111.13570@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
:In article <n11act@ofa123.fidonet.org>, Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
:>  I can see where bad anime can hurt the animation industry... It is because
:> animation isn't quite established here in this country (despite the 3 recent
:> Disney animated films) and if we continue to allow trash like "girls with
:> guns" and bloody violence to continue.  It will turn off many people to

I am confused about all this objection to "girls with guns" videos. Now
granted, I have lived a pretty sheltered life - I have watches Akira, Dirty Pair
and Running Bean as my primary violent amine (with some of the others
being a bit less violent).

But I don't see a lot of difference between Dirty Harry or Lethal Weapon
movies and the Dirty Pair movies - except that I like DP better than those
others.

And look at how the Lethal and Dirty H movies sell!  If these are such
popular forms of entertainment (and certainly Terminator, Predator, etc.
confirm this idea) then why are girls with guns called B grade and
called trash?  Are almost all live action movies considered B grade and
trash as well?
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From: mwdenney@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Michael W. Denney)
Subject: Re: TTA X-Mas
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:01:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec8.041602.1779@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) writes:
>To add to the list of "you mean you didn't think this was funny":
>     Harvey the rabbit with Jimmy Stewart type voice.
 
I don't know if anyone has yet to come right out and state the reference, but
what the hey! I'll do it!  There is an old Jimmy Stewart movie in which he is
friends with an invisible rabbit named Harvey.  Or does everyone consider this
obvious?

>     Perfume named "Zuzu's Petals"

Now a girl in "The Adventures of Ford Fairlane" is named Zuzu Petals.  Is this
the reference or is there an older one that Ford Fairlane is also referring to?

My personal opinion of the show.  Well, I liked the references and gags but
the story itself seemed weak.  As soon as Harvey makes Buster not exist, he 
makes Buster exist again and the story is over.  I know they only had a
half-hour but they've come up with better story flow than this on the show.

Michael 
 a.k.a. The Phantom Scribbler

- ...and then the true meaning of Christmas shone through.
- and the Grinch found the strength of ten Grinches, plus two.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: mwdenney@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Michael W. Denney)
Subject: Re: Jeannie 
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:22:03 GMT

In article <Bz0JCL.4wo@unix.amherst.edu> mssmith@unix.amherst.edu (MELISSA STEPHANIE SMITH) writes:

>I was thinking about this show the other day, trying to remember everything
>about it, a nearly impossible task since I was only about 4 when I saw it.
>Didn't Cory also have a friend that was always hanging around.  I seem to
>remember him as looking a lot like Shaggy from Scooby-Doo, although I am
>probably way off base since my memory of the show is hazy at best.  

Cory's friend was Henry Glopp, but I don't remember what he looked like.

>Didn't Jeannie make things happen by shaking her ponytail?  I seem to

I think she used her ponytail but it magically spun rather than being shaken.

>remembera show where somehow her hair got cut, possibly by a bad guy,
>and so she couldn't do any magic.  Then I think she took some kind
>of potion and her started growing and wouldn't stop growing so it got 
>really long.  

Maybe Babu did this?  It certainly sounds like the sort of bumbling he was
good for.

>Also, was
>this a Hanna-Barbera cartoon?

Definitely HB.

>BTW I still have the Jeannie doll.  She is smaller than a regular Barbie
>doll(only five or six inches high), but she has the same kind of body 
>proportions.  Her costume is blue, and consists of a vest (no shirt
>to go underneath), harem pants, and a headthing that is a circular
>thing made from the same material as the vest through which you put 
>Jeannie's ponytail, and then there is a veil attached to it.  Does anyone
>know if there were also dolls made of Cory, Babu and the others in the 
>show?

Cool. I didn't know ther was such a creature as a Jeannie doll, so whether
there is any others is beyond me.  The show got top ratings in its intial
season (for a cartoon) so this probably explains the merchandising.

Michael
 a.k.a. The Phantom Scribbler

- This should grind their bones very nicely.
From: klein@egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Why is animation for kids?
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:25:00 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University College of Stunt Piloting

In article <1992Dec10.184323.1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu> ij59@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:

>Why don't we have animated sitcoms, adventure, soap opera, whatever on
>TV to any real extent at all?

Probably for the same reason we don't have such shows with puppets. 

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)
Subject: Re: Shallowness in TLM, BATB (Was Re: Cheap Animation)
Organization: University of Minnesota
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:00:25 GMT

"Kevin J. Chen" (kc2w+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
>The fact that [the Beast] turned out to be
>handsome in the end is just the traditional Disney icing on the happy
>ending cake.

No, more like typical Disney meddling with the original story.

>If you happen to think this kind of romanticism is
>silly, then so be it, but it is the heart and soul of -- well, at
>least modern-day depictions -- classic fairy tales.

If that's what you think, then perhaps you should read the original
stories THE LITTLE MERMAID and BEAUTY AND THE BEAST were based on.

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From: emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: New Pink Panther series to appear this fall.
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:59:47 GMT
Organization: MegaCorp Central Complex

In article <Dec.16.10.40.11.1992.12713@andromeda.rutgers.edu> dshaffer@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Donald A Shaffer) writes:
>
> I seem to remember the panther talking in a few of them. And wasnt their a 
>another new thing with him on a few years back (or is my mind going scitzo on me :)

Pink Panther and Son.
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