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From: th9708@meibm8.cen.uiuc.edu (Todd Lee Henderson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Texas A&M
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:13:04 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:

>The Dallas Morning News reported this morning that the Texas A&M football 
>program is involved in a fedral investigation of a university benifactor who 
>allegedly has made payements of $400 twice a month to five football players.  
>The payments were for services rendered as maintainace workers at HUD funded 
>housing projects.

In the local papers, i.e. Champaign-Urbana, they said that RC said that all
of the payments were during the summer and during breaks.  He indicated that
a fair amount of work was done for the money.  If this is true, is there
anything wrong with the players working and making money during the breaks?
I would assume not since RC is openly admitting to this.(This was a serious
question, not sarcasm or anything)

The feds usually don't get involved for unfounded rumors. :(:(  Of course
the Dallas papers seem to enjoy ragging on the SWC sports teams.  I've never
figured that out. :(:(  I agree when something comes about they should print
it and investigate, but I get the feeling that they blow things out of 
proportion often times too early.  I hope whatever it is, it clears before
the CB!

The thing that scares me is that probably the only organisation that railroads
people and groups more than the NCAA are the feds.  Now their both in on it,
they don't like to look bad by investigating something that didn't happen and
this scares me.  :(

Todd

>If true, the allegations could spell prison for the booster (Uncle Sam doesn't 
>take kindly to being bilked by non-congress types) and could subject the A&M 
>football squad to the NCAA "death penalty."

>I hope for A&M's sake it all blows over.

>     - Pat
>-- 
>- Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------
>- Department of Chemistry ----------- Sometimes I see me as an old manatee ----
>- Ohio Wesleyan University ---------- Heading south as the waters grow colder -
>- pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ------------------------------------------
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From: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell)
Subject: Re: Crown Alabama as National Champions
Reply-To: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:10:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.213345.14696@b11.b11.ingr.com>, jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com (Jeff Kilpatrick) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec9.151348.14886@mlb.semi.harris.com>, dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head) writes:
|> |> 
|> |> Well, then I guess FSU will just have to go undefeated 10 or so years from now
|> |> because Alabama only gets to the Sugar Bowl about that often.  Sure is a LOOOONG
|> |> time between high tides!!!
|> 
|>   Seems like just a couple of years ago, 3 to be exact, since Bama went to the
|> Sugar Bowl.  Before '89, they last went in the '79 season when they won their
|> 11th MNC; 13 years ago.  How long has it been since FSU won the MNC?

    What? I hadn't heard that the 'noles were taking Miami off of their schedule
in 10 years.  Or maybe after 10 years they'll figure out how to end the regular
season undefeated.  Maybe.  The last time FSU won the MNC?  The 12th of Never?

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com  or  ...uunet!ingr!b11!mspe5!guy


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From: elsonliu@leland.Stanford.EDU (Liu)
Subject: Re: FSU and Miami
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 21:14:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.173339.19639@hou.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace) writes:
>...
>You FSU guys whine, year in and year out that FSU was really better than
>Miami, but they just lost the close one.  *IMHO* I don't think your 
>program is as good as Miami's, ie losing 4 of the last 5.  What are the
>odds of the "better" team losing over and over??

If Miami and FSU were completely even teams, the odds would be 5 out
of 32 that Miami would win four out of five games.  Of course, that
has no bearing on any particular game, since the odds of any one team
beating the other (assuming both are even) in any particular game is 1
out of 2.

Hey, you asked :-)

.....Elson.....



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From: ped@BNR.CA (Pedro Luna)
Subject: Kyle Field Stats (was Re: Trivia Questions)
Reply-To: ped@BNR.CA (Pedro Luna)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:08:27 GMT

In article C-muck writes:

|>
|>I think Kyle Field has been around for 70 or so years, although it 
|>obviously isn't the same stadium.  It is on the same sight, and bears
|>the same name.  Any Ags out there have any docs on Kyle?
|>
|>cmuck
       

Kyle Field is the home of the Fightin' Texas Aggies.  It was built
in 1927 and 1929, and was expanded in 1967 and 1980.  Kyle Field has
a seating capacity of 72,387, but with additional sitting on the
multipurpose surface surrounding the field it can accomodate more
than 78,000 people.  The stadium record is 78,573, set agsints tu
in 1987.

Named after Edwin Jackson Kyle, former dean of agriculture and 
president of the athletic council, the stadium has three decks
behind each sideline and a horseshoe section in the north endzone.
A press box sits atop the third deck on the west side of Kyle Field.
The press box can seat 120 members fo the media and features four
radio booths.

Kyle Field has an all-weather Astroturf surface which was applied in
1987.  The Famous H-shaped scoreboard is located behind the south
endzone.

At ground level on the west side of the stadium is the A&M dressing
and training rooms.  Both the men's and women's training facilities,
which are acclaimed by many trainers to be unmatched, are located
here.  A video lab, where game fils are broken down for review, also
is located on the west side of the stadium.  The visiting team's 
dressing facility is located under the southwest corner of the eastside
grandstand.

...there you have it folks...

Beat the class of '90 hell outta Notre Dame!

PEdro '90

 
            
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From: bnoble+@cs.cmu.edu (Brian Noble)
Subject: Re: USC should drop the ND series
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:48:55 GMT

In article <1gnpr0INN8fk@spica.usc.edu> valdis@spica.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs) writes:
>Ok let me get this straight. Since SC has had a long losing streak against ND,
>the best way to correct the situation is by acting like spoiled little brats
>and run home to mommy? 

Well, er, he is from the University of Spoiled Children...

>Fight On,
>Valdis
>

(Sorry, folks, just couldn't resist.)
Brian
  - thank God *that* season's over!


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From: acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Roger's Top 25--summary (long)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 15 Dec 1992 18:05 EST  

I have several summary categories, based on my computer's rankings 
throughout the season, which I'll be posting in separate articles.

A lot of the results, which seemed perfectly reasonable at the time, seem 
much more foolish in hindsight.

Category I:  Most appearances in the Top 25 during the season.  Twelve 
teams, here in order of final ranking (my system), never left the top 25 
all season.

1 Florida 		16	(2 weeks at #1)
2 Washington		16	(10)
3 Miami			16	(4)
4 Alabama		16
5 Notre Dame		16
6 Texas A&M		16
8 Michigan		16
9 Syracuse		16
10 Ohio State		16
11 Nebraska		16
13 Colorado		16
16 Tennessee		16

7 Stanford		14
12 Georgia		14
20 Florida		14
18 Southern Cal		13
27 Mississippi St	13
22 Boston College	12
15 Washington State	10
19 Hawaii		10
23 North Carolina	10
14 North Carolina St	9
34 Kansas		9
17 Arizona		8
29 Penn State		8
31 Virginia		7
33 UCLA			7
45 Oklahoma		7
51 California		7
21 Bowling Green	6
42 Clemson		6
48 Georgia Tech		5
24 Oregon		4
25 BYU			4
32 Texas		3
49 Wisconsin		2
39 West Virginia	1
40 San Diego St		1
54 Utah			1
60 Indiana		1
64 Iowa			1

The Big Movers on the year were No.19 Hawaii, which began at 87, and No.64 
Iowa, which began at 16.

R Dendy
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Trivia answers
Keywords: tiguzz
Date: 18 Dec 92 03:51:00 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) wrote:
}>
}>3.  Oldest stadium has to be Sanford Stadium in Athens.
}
}Well how old _is_ it?

It was dedicated in 1929.  A veritable youngster.

Tiger Stadium (1924) would seem to be the oldest in the SEC.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

   "Eenie weenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak."
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From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: Re: Heisman
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:53:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.140126.11961@cpqhou.compaq.com> chuckd@cpqhou.compaq.com (Chuck Dickson) writes:
>in article <1992Dec14.212612.42689@uvmark.uucp>, davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) says:
>> 
>> In article <1992Dec14.142936.868@cpqhou.compaq.com> chuckd@cpqhou.compaq.com (Chuck Dickson) writes:
>> 
>>>I don't neccessarily think Faulk should get the Heisman, I just believe that
>>>as a PLAYER, he is certainly better than Torretta.
>>>
>>>Look for Faulk in the NFL.  Look for Torretta in the CFL, or maybe doing
>>>something related to whatever degree he received at Miami.  If he DOES go
>>>to the NFL, he will be about as successful as that other Miami Heisman 
>>>quarterback.  Maybe he'll help Vinny keep the Tampa franchise where it is
>>>so accustomed to being.
>> 
>> Well, I agree with you that Faulk probably should have gotten the Heisman. 
>> But, as much as people complain about the Heisman, I seem to remember Gino
>> won just about every other major award possible as well.  And, the Heisman
>> has NEVER supposed to have been the "most likely to succeed in the NFL" award,
>> so what does all that have to do with it.  
>
>Nothing.  But the award IS supposed to be for the best PLAYER, as I mentioned
>earlier.  Is Torretta the best PLAYER?  No.  Sure he has good stats.  Sure
>he has a great winning record, but who won the Syracuse game?  Their DEFENSE.
>Who kept FSU out of the end zone, thus winning that game?  Their DEFENSE.
>
>Good stats can come easily against weak opponents, but as has been posted here,
>it appears that Gino's stats were inflated against blowout caliber opponents.
>
>Once again, the Heisman race has become a farce.  The race is no longer who
>proves it on the field, but who gets the most recognition during the 
>regular season.  Notre Dame and Miami (as long as they are winning) will
>consistently have name players getting the national recognition as long as
>they continue to do what they are doing and the media pays attention to
>them.
>
>Everyone says Faulk played in the WAC and that made his stats even better.
>Well, Torretta played in the Big Easy.  Those games sure didn't hurt his
>stats, other than the one team in that conference that provided some
>competition, Syracuse.
>
>-- 
>**************************************************************************
>Chuck Dickson - Compaq Computer Corporation - chuckd@cpqhou.uucp
>SHHHH...I'm hunting wabbit...eheheheheheheh
>The opinions expressed herein are not necessarily those of my employer.

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From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Re: Bear and A&M
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:20:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.142946.2882@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>
puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett) writes:
> ...speaking of which, does anybody remember those commercials he made
> for Southern Bell after his retirement? Where he was standing by the
> goal, talking about how he wished he'd called his mama long distance
> more often?

I'm fairly sure the commercials started before his last season.
Remember the "Call Home Bama" bumper stickers displayed by AU fans?
My favorite rejoinder was the following T-shirt:
  front             back
  +-------------+  +--------------+
  | 1972: 17-16 |  | 1992: Will   |
  | 1982: 23-22 |  | they make it |
  +-------------+  | 3 in a row?  |
                   +--------------+

>...We're kinda crazy about the Bear down here.  I think the thing that I 
>most like about Stallings, is how much he looks like - and acts like -
>the Bear....8-)

Not to mention sounds like the Bear.  He rates high in Bryanticity. :-)

-- 
*realName: Phil Harbison
*mailName: harbison%dbsun.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
*phoneList: 314-731-7475 (w) 314-272-9318 (h)
Rama-jama-yellowhamma', give `em hell, Alabama!
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Heisman.. what a farce.. Faulk was screwed
Date: 13 Dec 92 01:04:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: what.. me.. organized?


All of us have seen what a media-orchestrated circus.. no, make that 
a one-man circus can do. What is the award about anyway? Best college 
football player in the country. Then they said best 'offensive' football
player in the country. ok. And now it goes to who-so-ever is the favorite
son of a TV "expert" color man. The mediots have *no* clue whatsoever. 

Lets consider the 3 'candidates' they took to NY 

Faulk:  

1600+ yds rushing. Granted, he played in the WAC. But look 
at what he did in *BIG* games.

        USC: 220 yds
        UCLA: 148 yds
        BYU: 299 yds
        Hawaii: 300 yds

Ok, throw out Hawaii. Bad run defense. Take the other 3 games. Pretty good.
What was the SDSU record in those 4 games, 2-1-1 [easily should have been
3-1-0]. And Faulk was the reason they won all those games. Yes, its a team
sport, but they wouldn't have stood a chance without him.

He missed 2 games at the end, and *still* lead the nation in rushing.


Torreta:

Yes, he's got the stats. 3000+ yds. Bunch of TDs. 7 INTs. But what did
he do in the BIG games.

        PennSt: 80+ yds
	Syracuse: 300+ yds, 0 TDs, 3 INTs
        FSU: I don't know, but tell you what, I saw that game and
             he really stunk up the joint that day. 
             
What a joke. This guy ain't the best QB in the country, let alone best
football player. 

They keep pointing to his 25-1 record. Why are they including last year's
record? This is not a lifetime achievement award. This year 11-0. They
say, he just wins. Miami wins bcoz of the DEFENSE, NOT TORRETA. So why
not hand over the Heisman to their LB Barrow who seemed to make every big play
in those 3 games [I still can't forget his tackle on a 4th and 1 in the
PSU game on his own 10 yd line. Speed!].


Hearst:

1500+ yds, [thats less than what Faulk got in 2
fewer games], 21 TDs. What did he do in big games?

        Florida: 40+ yds (60+ yds catches)
        Miss (or was it MissSt?): 40+ yds
	GTech: 100+ yds

Not Heisman material. 1500+ yds in the SEC. But mostly against weak SEC teams.
When it came to producing big against strong SEC teams? naw..



_______________________________________________________
| Prashanth                    |                      |
| U. of California @ San Diego | prash@raman.ucsd.edu |
#######################################################
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: poutsmaj@mace.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Subject: Re: It's Official--Marshall's Micheal Payton wins Walter Payton Award
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:15:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.110957.9447@iscsvax.uni.edu> elsbernd0269@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>> VOTE TOTALS: (First place votes in Parentheses)
>> 
>> Walter Payton Award:              pts.
>> 
>> 1. Micheal Payton (18)             80
>> 2. Steve McNair, QB, Alcorn St.(16)67
>> 3. Jamie Martin, QB, Weber St.     38
>> 
>> Eddie Robinson Award:             pts.
>> 
>> 1. Charlie Taaffe, The Citadel(37)144
>> 2. Dave Roberts, NE Louisiana (9)  56
>> 3. Terry Allen, N. Iowa            47
>> 
>> PDunn
>
>I wonder what the voting criteria is based on?  I'm VERY disappointed 
>three time All American Kenny Shedd (Northern Iowa) wasn't in the top
>three.  The man is such an incredible player!  I don't know exact numbers, but
>Kenny easily made the routine catches as well as making a number of THE most
>INCREDIBLE catches I have ever seen, every game.  Not only was he a great
>receiver but a great return man as well.  This year alone he returned four or
>five punts for touchdowns.  Off the field, he couldn't be described any better
>than a model student/athlete.  He loves kids and is the most enjoyable person
>to talk with. 
>
>Keep an eye out for him next season on Sunday.
>
>Ryan

Let me second that vote for Kenny at least in the top three.  I remember
a couple of stats on him this year:

As a wide receiver:

25 catches, 9 TD.  Good, yes, but ave yards per reception:  37!!!!!

Not only did he catch TD passes, but LONG td passes....

Also, 4 punt returns for td.

(these are just regular season stats from memory)

paul
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan)
Subject: RECRUITING: Some Verbal Commitments
Organization: ARCO Oil and Gas Company
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:49:11 GMT

Here are some verbal commitments here in mid-Dec. Remember,
these are non-binding. These players are tops in their
position.


                VERBAL COMMITMENTS
                ==================

PLAYER              POSITION         SCHOOL-COMM
------              --------         -----------

Tim Carey              QB            Standford
Jeff Hecklinski        QB            Illinois
Rick Kaczenski         TE            Notre Dame
Chris Kurpeikis        OL            Notre Dame
Walt DeLong            DL            Ohio State
John Dutton            QB            Texas
Joel Holidat           OL            Clemson
Ed Machin              OL            Iowa State
Cameron Cleeland       TE            Washington
Malchi Crawford        LB            ASU
Travis Johnson         C             Georgia
Michael Malfatt        KP            Ohio State
Phil Ostrowski         DE            Penn State
Heath Panks            DL            LSU
Keno Shawell           RB            Maryland
Justin Strand          RB-LB         Standford
John Zatechka          OL            Nebraska
Kit Carpenter          LB            NC State
Brad Collins           DL            NC State
Nate DeLong            PK            Michigan
Greg Spires            LB            Florida State
Duce Staleley          DB            S. Carolina


-- 

Mike Minihan      mminihan@arco.com
From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Oranges in a Bowl of Fruits
Date: 20 Dec 92 16:38:50 GMT
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973

In article <1992Dec18.075705@mccall.com> scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:
>
>In article <aggie-171292115544@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu>, aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) writes:
>>David Poore had wondered how I could pull for Nebraska in the OB 
>>over FSU. 
>>
>>
>James,  Neb fans confuse me.  They'll applaud the other team
>after a game(except OU and Colo).  Seem to be reasonable.  Yet,
>I keep hearing stories that they're not happy unless they totally
>annihilate their opponent.  
>
Uh, Scott, this Husker fan likes to see close games as well as
blowouts.  I just like watching a good game and I will admit it
when the Huskers lose (including taking a razzing).

>At K-State, the team has improved and playing good football.
>Snyder has done a great job of turning this program around.
>A huge setback in the middle of this season, which was somewhat
>corrected.  And most fans are happy with what KSU has done in
>the past 2yrs.

Yes he has done a good job.  I'd like to see more competiveness
in the Big 8 and hopefully this can come about in a short time.

Dave
Go Big Red - Beat FSU
-- 
Dave Niebuhr      Internet: niebuhr@bnl.gov / Bitnet: niebuhr@bnl
Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, NY 11973  (516)-282-3093
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From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Auburn's new head coach is............
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:08:49 GMT

<JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>Actually, hiring Terry Bowden was probably the smartest thing
>Auburn could have done.  It gives them an up and coming head coach
>who, because of his lack of I-A experience, will have to be given
>several years to get his feet under him.  He started the Samford
>program from scratch and they've made the playoffs the last three
>years, I think.

>Let's face it; they were going to have trouble getting a major I-A
>coach with the impending probation.  Rumor has it that Dennis Erickson
>was interested in the job, but his wife did not want to live waay
>out in East Jesus.

>Auburn's going to have a rough few years ahead of them, but they
>were going to have that anyway.  If they ditch Wayne Hall, they'll
>be in for several extra tough years.


>Jim Thomas


The papers in South Florida had an article quoting an Alabama paper
that said Erickson was interested because his daughter was unhappy
in her high school down here. Dennis just laughed because he doesn't
even have a daughter !

Dennis Erickson will remain with Miami at least 2 more years and
more probably 5 more years. After that who knows, but Dennis is not
very likely to go to the NFL. 

Justin Frederich
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From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Re: Bear and A&M
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:41:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.215558.15586@b11.b11.ingr.com>
jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com writes:
>  "He could take his team and beat yours;
>   then take your team and beat his"
>				Bum Phillips when asked about Coach Bryant

The book "Alabama Football Illustrated - The First Hundred Years"
attibutes this quoted to former Florida A&M coach Jake Gaither.
The actual quote is:

    ``He can take his'n and beat you'rn and he can take
      you'rn and beat his'n.''

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*mailName: harbison%dbsun.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
*phoneList: 314-731-7475 (w) 314-272-9318 (h)
Rama-jama-yellowhamma', give `em hell, Alabama!
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From: jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com (Jeff Kilpatrick)
Subject: Trivia Questions
Keywords: Bear Bryant, SEC, stadium
Reply-To: jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:04:25 GMT

  Three questions:

  1.  Today is the 10th anniversary of Coach Bryant's retirement.  We all know he
      did not beat Notre Dame, but there is one other team (that he faced more
      than one time) he did not beat.  Who?

  2.  This year the SEC has 12 Schools.  Initially it had 13; 10 of which were
      the 'original' before this season's expansion.  Who were the 3 who dropped
      out?

  3.  Who has the oldest on campus stadium (I don't know the answer)?

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