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From: ramanath@BBN.COM (S. Ramanathan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: F-1 Practical Training Visa
Keywords: visa, F-1, Practical Training
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:41:20 GMT
Reply-To: ramanath@BBN.COM (S. Ramanathan)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com


Hi,

  I am working on F-1 practical training and would like to go to India 
  next month.

  Do you know of anybody who has applied for F-1 practical training visa in
  India recently? Did they get it ?

  (Multiple entry visa from Canada/Mexico appears unlikely -- an officer in
  Ottawa told me that one would have to go to any country OTHER than Mexico or
  Canada for visa if one is on F-1 Practical Training - a classic case of
  catch-22).
  
  Any info will be greatly appreciated. Please e-mail to me. If there is 
  sufficient interest, I shall compile a summary of the responses I get and
  post it.
  
  Thanks in advance.

  - Ram.


--------------------------------------------------------------

Ram Ramanathan              Systems and Technologies 
                            Bolt, Beranek and Newman Inc. 
                            10 Moulton Street, Cambridge, MA 02138

Phone : (617) 873-2736

INTERNET : ramanath@bbn.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: piplani@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Rajesh Piplani)
Subject: All those Ghazal buffs out there.......
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: Ghazals newsgroup urdu
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 16:38:21 GMT

I was wondering if any of you ghazal buffs ever came across any
albums by 'Sumita Chakraborty'. Just to refresh your memory, she
had sung one ghazal in the album "Talents of 80's" which was
brought out by Jagjit Singh and featured (Besides Sumita) Junaid
Akhtar, Ghanshyam Vasvani, Ashok Sehgal and a couple of other
people. Anyways, I thought Sumita's voice was great, and that
she should have gone on to bigger and better things, like coming
out with her own album. But I have never seen any. 
If any of you have, I would appreciate if you provide me some
info on that.

Also i wanted to propose forming of group called (maybe)
rec.arts.ghazals. On that group we could discuss things like my
posting, and also share lyrics (and even meanings) of Ghazals. I
for one , not being very good at Urdu vocabulary, have a hard
time following some of the "shers" of my favorite ghazals. 
I think it would be better to have a separate group instead of
cluttering up the already cluttered up group like sci.
I would appreciate any suggestions and thoughts on this idea of
mine. You can send me e-mail to my address too, if u so desire.

Another of those Ghazal buffs,
Rajesh
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From: dpereira@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: alt.indian.culture.fragmentation
Date: 27 Dec 92 13:16:57 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

Why not have a newsgroup called alt.indian.culture.fragmentation?  Under it,
we could place all other newsgroups including telegu, bengali, bombay, dadar,
chembur, tripura, andamans and so on.

Get the picture!
From: raji+@cs.cmu.edu (Raji)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Info needed on M. S programs in Ceramic Engineering Dept.
Date: 26 Dec 92 17:00:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BzvLwC.IwI.1
Distribution: usa
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

I was wondering what schools offer a good program in Ceramic Engineering 
Department. My friend is planning to come to United States for a M.S 
in the same and is trying to collect information regarding schools
in the aforementioned areas and also regarding chances of getting financial
aid, living expenses etc. Any leads on the above would be greatly appreciated.
Please send all replies to :
rajis@cs.umr.edu
Thanking you in advance.
From: atulpule@sebastian.carleton.ca (Ajit Tulpule)
Subject: Re: alt.culture.bombay
Organization: Carleton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 05:12:27 GMT

In <Bzw4Gu.MtJ@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> sonimh@mace.cc.purdue.edu (manish soni) writes:

>I personally do not think a new newsgroup for bombay will be of any
>good. In any case, the name alt.culture.amchi.mumbai OR alt.culture.mumbai
>is NOT appropriate for a city "officially" called "**BOMBAY**"
>This is not to hurt/offend any particular group of people.


>Peace.
>Manish Soni.

Perhaps you do not know that two years ago, the election commission had
"officially" changed the name of the city from "bumbaie" (hindi) to 
mumbai.

Anyways, I do agree with you that a new newsgroup is not warranted. I am
personally not in favor of any sub-classified group for sci, whether it
is alt.culture. marathi/bengali/gujarati/what-ever-it-be. We have a great
newsgroup (sci) although most of the stuff might be junk :-)  Let's just
try to make sci a better newsgroup, (a more responsible, more mature, and 
less "since-you-call-me-a-gandu-i-will-call-you-a-chu$%ya" kind of a newsgroup).

I'm sure my last statement will evoke some kind of antagonistic response
from those who post the irresponsible and the immature postings, but then
what else can you expect of them ?

Ajit.


-----------------------------------------------
Ajit Tulpule

School of Business
Carleton University
Ottawa, Ontario
Canada K1S 5B6

email : atulpule@business.carleton.ca
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ravis@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (ravi.krishnaswamy)
Subject: Baby girl names....
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:35:14 GMT

If any of you out there have baby girl names please forward it to me.

Appreciate all the help. Thanks in advance.

Ravi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: an3923@anon.penet.fi
Subject: More newsgroups!
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.indian
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 06:13:31 GMT


Looking at the number of splintery newsgroups, may I suggest the following:-)


alt.culture.babri.masjid
talk.politics.janmabhoomi
alt.personals.hindu.grooms
alt.personals.moslem.grooms
alt.personals.hindu.brides
alt.personals.moslem.brides
talk.india.fight.fight.fight
soc.culture.pakistan.nonexistant
alt.matrimony
alt.sex.indian.NOT
rec.flames.hindu-pakistani
rec.flames.hindu-bangladeshi
alt.politics.caste.strong
alt.politics.hindu.fundamentalism
talk.politics.deb.chatterjee
talk.paranoia.girish.bonde


Love all,

Irfan Ahmed
Sys. Admin, Calico
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: balarama@cae.wisc.edu (Prabhu Balaraman)
Subject: Re: SNOW -   A POEM
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 28 Dec 92 13:43:06 CST

   ..good one dude! Keep 'em coming..

     Prabs
---------------------------
   Fight for the underdogs!
From: fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Genesis-II [Let's change SCI] -- Icarus.
Date: 2 Jan 1993 11:57:11 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Rajesh Raman writes:
>Atharvan (paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU) wrote:
>
>If you don't like what is happening make it better. If you think you
>can't then quit reading SCI. Moderators just stifle freedom of
>expression.
>Rajesh Raman


	No, Icarus was'nt proposing moderating SCI. He suggested that a 
	parallel group of sci.moderated be formed. That is a very good
	idea since it leaves sci for the fracas and peepuls who do not
	like the milieu can go to the moderated version. Such a thing is
	already happening on sci.physics. If only there are enough 
	moderators to make it moving....

	FFT



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From: adatta@cs.tamu.edu (Abhijit Datta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh,alt.config
Subject: Re: soc.culture.lang.bengali
Date: 29 Dec 1992 17:14:58 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
NNTP-Posting-Host: sparc31.cs.tamu.edu



This is regarding the proposed newsgroup soc.language.bengali. 
I personally donot feel that we should be so unhappy with the
recent performance of  SCB so that we may think of parting
ways with our old friend. Of course, there have been a lot of
religious and politically oriented, often over-emotional stuff
on the net of late. But then it is our task to post material 
related to Bangla culture & keep all these junk at bay. If we fail
to do so I don't see how we'll contribute effectively towards
sustaining the proposed SLB.

Another point I'd like to make is that, we shouldn't really 
worry too much about preserving the "characteristics" (so hinted
at by the mention of dialect etc.) of Bangla as spoken in India
from suspected contamination by the Bangla from Bangladesh.
I for one would like to see SLB (if it comes into being) cater
to Indian Bangalees and Bangladeshi Bangalees to an equal extent.
There is no question of one "welcoming" the other to participate.

Regards,

Abhijit Datta

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Subject: Re: Sati sytem because of Islam
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:26:52 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian

In article <1992Dec24.181855.27289@news2.cis.umn.edu>, crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD)) writes:
> In article <1992Dec23.211702.7490@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com> gupta@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (Sanjay K. Gupta) writes:
> >	
> >	It crept into the system because of Islam and not because of
> >Hinduism. If the Islamic hordes were set upon self-respecting females to rape 
> >them, when their husbands had died or defeated, what do you think was the
> >course they would have taken? It was glorious to die rather than get raped. 
> >
> >Sanjay K. Gupta
> 
> I find this Muslim-bashing logic a very peculiar attempt to assign the blame 
> for an equally peculiar practice.  If the "Islamic hordes" were such 
> disrespectful Philistines as you claim they are, why did they only mistreat
> widows, why not married women and especially unmarried, younger women.  It

They mistreated unmarried women too. Primary reason,
for starting the child marriage custom in the north western India, especially
Rajasthan, was that the Islamic hordes treated unmarried women as
prostitutes. They however spared married women/child.
So the parents would marry the children hoping that the child-women will not
be taken into harems by the invading hordes.

There are countless accounts of the kidnapping of female children by
the Islamic invaders in the Rajasthani history.

The reason for sparing married women is simply that there was someone to 
defend her. Once they killed the husband trying to defend his wife, they
took the recently widowed woman as well.

> would seem that "hordes" wouldn't  care about a woman's maritial status when
> abusing her.  It is more logical to assume tthe latter, and then by your logic,

They cared about the status because the concept was of winning the women
after war or fight.

Islamic invaders treated women of the defeated/killed as their property.

This concept is not unique to the Islamic invaders in those times. However
they were much more brutal according to historical accounts.

> all women would have committed suicide  in self-defense (a clever 
> contradiction, don't you think).

There is no contradiction.
Married women committed suicide/sati after their husbands were killed or 
captured. Unmarried women  committed suicide for fear of going to the harem.

> And if you will argue that married and unmarried women are protected by their
> husbands and fathers, then why did the "Islamic hordes" conquer India at all
> if the resistance was so determined?  
> 

They were able to conquer India because India was divided in kingdoms
and various kings did not pose a united front against the mighty
invading forces of barbarians who also had better weapons.
Individual kings were hardly a match for the invaders.
Many times the rival kings assisted the invaders.

> Simply put, you're not making sense.

Learn more about history and customs of the areas affected and 
it will make sense.

Alok
From: rxd2006@hertz.njit.edu (radhika  darapureddy che stnt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Project Engineer Position
Date: 23 Dec 92 03:12:56 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

Crest Ultrasonics, a leading manufacturer of Ultrasonic 
Process equipment is looking for an assertive project engineer
who can develop our Malaysian operation into a full fledged 
manufacturing operation.
 
SOME MINIMUM REQ'MTS:

BS in engineering, MS prefered.
Native of Malaysia, OR permission to work in Malaysia
Some industrial experience prefered.

JOB RESPONSIBILITIES:

Complete electomechanical systems design of equipment,
including but not limited to:

- Thermo-fluid analysis
- Motion control (linear/rotary), system integration
- Mechanical/Structural/Sheet metal design(s)

Familiarity with AutoCAD, PC Network environments, 
Manufacturing Software, C programming, ladder logic 
programming required.


CARRER PATH POSSIBILITIES:

- Engineering Manager at Crest Malaysia
- Managing Director , Crest Malaysia
- Vice President, Asian Operations

Please send resume to:

Ananth Rani,
VP Operations,
Crest Ultrasonics
P.O. Box 7266,
Trenton, NJ, 08628


No Telephone Calls please.
FAX (609) 883-0949 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Affable)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Humor ( 3 clippings)
Date: 24 Dec 1992 16:48:30 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Venkatachalam Aruna <aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cive.egr.uh.edu

Swiped from Reader's digest. (Jan '93 issue)
Nothing to do with any culture. Just for fun.
Confined neither to the charter of SCI  nor to
that of SCT. If you're not interested, hit 'n'
now.  Your comments (mails) are welcome.
[Phew! Need to be ultra careful to avoid
flames, protests, friendly reminder etc. Okay,
Partha! take it easy, dude!]

All in a days work:
------------------
  Part of my job as a public-health nurse is teaching new parents how
to care for their infants. As I was demonstrating how to wrap a newborn, 
a young asian couple turned to me and said, "You mean we should wrap the
baby like an egg roll?" Yes, I replied, that was a good analogy.
   "I don't know how to make egg rolls," another mother said anxiously.
"Can I wrap my baby like a burrito?".
                                     -- Contributed by Sandra Verhagen.
Life in these United States:
---------------------------
  After directory assistance gave my boyfriend's new telephone number,
I dialed him and got a woman. "Is Mike there?" I asked.
 "He's in the shower," she responded.
 "Please tell him his girlfriend phoned," I said and hung up.
 "When he didn't return the call, I dialed again. This time a man
answered. "This is Mike," he said.
 "You're not my boyfriend!",I excalimed.
 "I know," he replied. That's what I've been trying to tell my wife
for the past half-hour."
                               -- Contibuted by Laura Miller. 
Humor in uniform:
----------------
  When saluting an officer at Fort Lewis, near Tacoma,Wash., ROTC
cadets were to greet him or her with half of the battalion motto.
The officer would then return the salute and respond with the other
half. One day, a cadet approached me, saluted and then became speechless.
I told him if he couldn't remember the motto to look at the sign in 
front of the battalion headquarters. He turned around and came to rigid
attention. "keep off the grass, sir," he said.
                                  -- Contributed by Maj. Scott D. Bartl.

 Have fun,
 Venkat
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Sending a Book to India, Help ! Anyone going to CAL ?
From: gkgst1+@pitt.edu (Gyanesh K Gupta)
Date: 28 Dec 92 15:24:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: gkgst1@unixd1.cis.pitt.edu

Hi, 

I have a question about sending a book to India. Does anyone out there
know the cheapest and the fastest way to ship a book to India. 

I would also like to know what are the additional materials available
here for AGRE ( math ) test apart from the usual ETS guides.

One final note, I would be very happy and my friend would really
appreciate it if any kind soul's help/assistance in carrying the book along
with him/her, if he/she is travelling in next couple of days to India,
esp. to Calcutta. She can come and collect the book from you. I just
want to send this book/guide to her and I am sure there is no custom
problem associated with this. This is going to be a tremendous help to
my friend as she is preparing for the exam which is scheduled for Jan.
30. Time is the crucial part here ! Anyone willing to help, send me a
email or call me at (412)661-6947 ( call me collect, if you wish, else
just give me a call for a second and I would call back to you
immediately, whichever way you prefer ! ) 

Thanx for all the help and time ! 

Gyanesh
(email: gyanesh@vm1.cis.pitt.edu  or gyanesh@pittvms.bitnet )
(tel.   412 - 661 - 6947  after 6 pm  )                      

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From: brv@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Balaji Venkatraman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: 146th Thyagaraja Aradhana at Gainesville, Florida
Date: 27 Dec 92 21:46:04 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

Hi,        

The 146th Thyagaraja Aradhana is going to be arranged by the Indian
Community of Gainesville, florida on 9th Jan '93 at   St. AUGUSTINE 
CHURCH, located  on  West University Avenue, from 12:00 to 6:30 p.m. 
with a coffee break at 2:30p.m.
     
All are welcome and there is no entry fee.

Aradhana will be followed by dinner.  The Indian Community have
graciously accepted to serve dinner for everybody. They would like 
to have near accurate head count so that they can cook the required 
amount of food. 

So if you plan to attend this function, PLEASE call Ms. Vaidehi at 
(904) 378-6958 by Jan 3, '93 and let her know.       

thankyou and regards,

Balaji R. Venkatraman		     Internet:  brv@cis.ufl.edu
Computer and Information Sciences    Phone : (904) 392-1491, 392-1200 (office)
University of Florida                        (904) 372-3135 (home)
Gainesville, FL 32611.		     Fax   : (904) 392-1220
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Police Kill Two Top Sikh Extremists
Keywords: international, non-usa government, government, terrorism, organized religion, religion, politics
Date: 31 Dec 92 13:24:44 GMT

Date: 27 Dec 92 15:43:45 GMT

	AMRITSAR, India (UPI) -- Two Sikh guerrilla chieftains blamed for
hundreds of terrorist slayings were killed Saturday in separate
gunbattles with police in the troubled northern Indian state of Punjab,
authorities said Sunday.
	The dead separatists were identified as Anokh Singh Uboke and
Chanchal Singh Udhoke.
	Uboke, chief of the Fauj-e-Khalsa (Sikh Army) group, was a close aide
to Sikh extremist leader Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, founder of the
militant movement in Punjab. Bhindranwale was killed in the 1984 Indian
Army assault on the holiest Sikh shrine, the Golden Temple in Amritsar.
	A state police spokesman said Uboke, wanted for nearly 1,000 slayings
across India, was killed in a shootout with police in an area south of
Amritsar. He was armed with a Kalashnikov assault rifle, the official
said.
	The other slain militant, Udhoke, was chief of the Khalistan Armed
Force.
	There are more than a dozen underground Sikh groups waging hit-and-
run secessionist campaigns in Punjab, India's breadbasket which borders
Pakistan. All Sikh men use the title ``Singh,'' or Lion.
	Police said Udhoke was killed north of Amritsar. Blamed by cops for
more than 500 killings, Udhoke was captured in a 1988 police crackdown
but escaped from prison.
	The Punjab militants are seeking an independent Sikh homeland which
they want to name Khalistan, or the Land of the Pure.
	Thousands of people have perished in the decade-old Sikh secessionist
movement. The militants are armed with sophisticated weapons and
frequently target unarmed civilians, mainly Hindus.
	Meanwhile, in another insurgency-torn Indian state, Kashmir, which
borders both Punjab and Pakistan, six Muslim guerrillas were reported
killed Sunday.
	Kashmir police said one of the militants was slain when guerrillas
hurled a grenade at a police truck carrying six detained rebels.
	In a raid on a police station near Kashmir's border with Punjab,
Muslim insurgents escaped with 13 rifles, a revolver, a large quantity
of ammunition and some money, state officials said. No further details
of the raid were immediately available.
	Kashmir is a disputed territory, with its control divided among
India, Pakistan and China. India rules the largest section, the Kashmir
Valley, which has been torn by a Muslim insurrection since 1990.