From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: New group details and comments.
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:29:19 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <2A832D50.17300@noiro.acs.uci.edu>, cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis
Maria Cortese) writes:
>In article <krikket.5939@meltdown.chi.il.us> krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D.
'krikket' Krick) writes:
>>In article <Raa1oB1w164w@ailanth.UUCP>, ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa
>>N.T.Murphy) writes:
>>>Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>>
>>>> Thought soc.feminism is also an example of a group where (IMHO) hostile
>>>> traffic has driven people away despite moderation.
>>
>>>it sure is!  i know *I* donm't read it, despite being an ardent feminist. 
it
>>>just isn't worth the effort and teh aggravation.  i want to read about X
when
>
>You ain't kidding.  I subscribed out of curiosity once and found a deep
>and ardent discussion between women and men who were trying to dissect
>why it wasn't sexist to tell a woman you like her tits.  Jeeeezus
>Christ, how moronic.  One woman would post about how it irritated her,
>and she would promptly get a million guys posting telling her all about
>why they knew all about the nature of her situation and experiences
>better than she did.  Bleah.  
>
>>>i read alt.X or soc.X, not dozens of rants from the people who are anti-X.
>>>soc.motss manages to avoid being taken over by homophobes by 1) having a
>>>slightly cryptic acronym, 
>
>*I* sure as hell didn't know what it meant until my SO told me. 
>
>>>2) being one of the highest-traffic newsgroups on
>>>the net, and 3) by having a voluntary "sit on your hands" policy.  even then
>>>we get a lot of crap from clayton cramer and other more temporary idiots. 
>ha
>ving soc.religion.pagan would be waving a red flag before a bull.  remember
>>>charley, folks?  we'd be swamped in his ilk - or rather you will be.  i'm
>sti
>cking with alt.pagan.
>>
>>So we end up waving a red flag and a few assholes come forth.  IMHO, as a
>>community, we won't get anywhere until we are willing to stand up against
>>this kind of activity, and not wither into the background when someone
>>yells "BOO!"
>
>Agreed, BUT I simply don't see what we will get from s.r.p/w that we
>don't get from alt.pagan.  We already have a nice forum for discussion
>here; I just don't see any benefit from s.r.p/w, and there are puh-LENTY
>of drawbacks.  There is nothing wrong with standing up against assholes,
>but when all you do is defend yourself against assholes . . . who needs
>it?  I like to express myself and get discussions going, not spend 99
>44/100 % of my time fending off knives to the gut.

<Many intelligent arguments deleted to save bandwidth>

>up with the heat worthwhile -- I need compensating factors, and the good
>far outweighs the bad here on good ol' alt.pagan.  On s.r.p./w., though?


Well, I can think of one compensating factor of switching to s.r.p. off the top
of my head...

If we make this change, there are a large number of sited out there, run by
corporations, colleges, etc, that do not carry the alt. groups, because of the
amount of space needed to carry 'em!  If we go to s.r.p. then our readership
will immediately INCREASE to include people who weren't able to read it
before...

And besides, I personally feel that with the s.r.p. we are getting a bit on the
paranoid side.  If we do make the change, yes there will be a few assholed
jumping in, but we'll be there also, to tell those assholes to go to hell (or
wherever your favorite region is...)

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