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Date:         Sun, 15 Nov 1992 15:31:00 -0400
From:         "Michael J. McCarthy" <YEA003@MARSHALL.MU.WVNET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Hoover

        Ed Haupt asked about sources for Herbert Hoover and Belgium food
relief.  Sorry about the delay, but here is what I could find:

Hoover, Herbert.  _America's First Crusade_.  NY: Scribner's, 1942.

--------.  _The Memoirs of Herbert Hoover:  Years of Adventure_., 1874
        1920_.  NY:  MacMillan, 1953.

Burner, David.  _Herbert Hoover:  A Public Life_.  NY:  Knopf, 1979.

Gelfand, Lawrence E., ed.  _Herbert Hoover:  The Great War and Its
        Aftermath, 1914-23_.  Iowa City:  Univ. of Iowa, 1979.

Vincent, Charles Paul.  "The Post World War I Blockade of Germany:  An
        Aspect in the Tragedy of a Nation."  Ph.D. dissertation, Univ.
        of Colorado, 1980.

Willis, Edward F.  _Herbert Hoover and the Russian Prisoners of World
        War I:  A Study in Diplomacy and Relief, 1918-1919_.  Stanford:
        Stanford U. Press, 1951.

Wilson, Joan Huff.  _Herbert Hoover:  Forgotten Progressive_.  Boston:
        Little Brown, 1975.

Surface, Franklin, and Raymond L. Bland.  _American Food in the World War
        and Reconstruction Period:  Operations of the Organizations
        Under the Direction of Herbert Hoover, 1914-1924_.  Stanford:
        Stanford U. Press, 1931.

Mullendore, William C.  _History of the United States Food Administration,
        1917-1919_.  Stanford:  Stanford U. Press, 1941.


Hope these help.

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Mike McCarthy                   "An hungry historian spent a hour and an half
Marshall Univ. History Dept.    hasking an hundred friends habout indefinate
Huntington, WV 25755, USA       harticles.  An history of the event made 'er
YEA003@Marshall.WVNET.Edu       an happy camper."
YEA003@MARSHALL.BITNET                  -- Jamie Drier, An Philosopher
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:59:07 EST
From:         Steven H Silver <SHSILVER@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: My posting about German fascist strife.

If it had to be said, why not mail it privately?

Steven H Silver               |         "When I get a little money, I
Indiana University            |         buy books; and if any is left,
SHSILVER@ucs.indiana.edu      |         I buy food and clothes."
SHSILVER@IUBACS.BITNET        |         -Erasmus:  In Praise of Folly
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:51:11 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Presidential Dissabilities
              16 Nov 1992 14:59:04 -0400 from <WANNAKER@AC.DAL.C A>

On Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:59:04 -0400 <WANNAKER@AC.DAL.CA> said:
>From personal experience I can guess that the left handed Presidents, Reagzn,
>Bu
>   sh and Clinton to name a few, probably all experience mild dyslexia.
>
>Salut
>Giuliano Valentino
>Dalhousie U WANNAKER@DAL1

Uh--you wanna elucidate that one for us?  As is, it sounds suspiciously like a
slam at us lefties.  For the record, I've never met any left-handed dyslexics;
all the dyslexics I have met have been righties.

A left-winger and damn proud of it,
Ken Koester
From: jcoryell@NWU.EDU (John Coryell.)
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Date: 17 Nov 92 22:42:03 GMT
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>The Library Company of Philadelphia will be *closed* to the
>public on Friday, November 20 and Wednesday, November 25 due
>to our construction/renovation project.

So does this mean it %will% be open on Thanksgiving?  Better there than
30th and Market.

John Coryell.
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:25:28 EST
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
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Subject: Re: Presidential Dissabilities

Would being a moron count as a disability. If so, I can think of one or more
Presidents who fit the bill:)
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Date:         Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:59:43 -0400
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Subject:      JESUITS IN 17TH C HOLLAND

I need information on jesuit presence in 17th c. Holland.
The information is for research on the painter Vermeer, so
if there is and info out there that relates specifically
to jesuits in Delft it would be especially helpful.

Thanks,
Paul Blaser
Blaserpf8052@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu
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Date:         Sun, 15 Nov 1992 23:40:04 -0600
From:         MASOUDER@ALEX.STKATE.EDU
Subject:      EPIC FEAT #924-a
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>I might add to this list the taming of fire.

>Jeff Kvaal
>Brown University


Then there's the ever popular "learning how to blow up
big cities with small pieces of radioactive rock".


Mick Souder
Calling it a day after studying people's e-mail habits.  In fact,
according to my research, this substring of the US EPIC thread looks
about played out.
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:52:00 EST
From:         DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: My posting about German fascist strife.

On Mon, 16 Nov 1992 12:52:58 -0700 "Frederick the Great"
<J_CAUSEY@CCNODE.COLORADO.EDU> said:

> You see, the American media is painting your recent troubles as
> being just as bad as the Night of Long Knives (I think that's what it
> was called, but since I'm an American-educated person, I could be
> wrong).

Two points. (1) And I don't mean to be pettifogging -- you mean
Kristallnacht, the Night of the Broken Glass, when the Nazis
sponsored a national pogrom, not the Night of the Long Knives, when
the SA was purged.
(2) I think that you exaggerate how the U-S media are painting
the German troubles. My impression (from National Public Radio,
the NY Times, the Greenville {S.C.} News, and the Anderson {S.C.}
Independent) is that the disturbances are not being presented
as catastrophic.

Denis Paz
Department of History
Clemson University
South Carolina, U.S.A.
dgpaz@clemson.bitnet
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From:         Eric Halpern <ucrahex@UCL.AC.UK>
Subject:      job at UMASS??
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Does anyone have any o information about the recently advertisr ed job in US
 historyat U.Mass Amherst and Bo      ?  The subtext is  ofthe      the job
 description is hard to decode. Also, the job at baston?       Boston?

Rick Halpern, Dept of History, Univ College London
, <ucrahex@ucl.ac.uk>
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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 10:48:30 EST
From:         PERICLES@TEMPLEVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Presidents who studied abroad

Didn't Wilson shell Vera Cruz?

Dan Tompkins
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From:         "Mary A. Gallagher" <CATQC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: info on historical journals needed
              19 Nov 1992 19:11:34 GMT from <riilai@SARA.CC.UTU.FI>

The address of the New Mexico Historical Review is:  University of New
Mexico, Mesa Vista 1013, Albuquerque, New Mexico 87131.  Best wishes.
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:38:03 ECT
From:         ROBERT <BB05196@BINGVMB.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Grad Programs in S&T
              19 Nov 1992 15:39:32 EST from <RJU101@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>

WELL, DO NOT COME TO SUNY AT BINGHAMTON.  WE HAVE ONE OF THE TOP-FLIGHT
GUYS ON THE HISTORY OF SCIENCE -- RON SAWYER.  A FINE GUY AND A SCHOLARS
SCHOLAR.  AND ALL THE PROMOTIANAL LTERATURE WILL TELL YOU THAT HE IS GOING
TO BE HERE NEXT FALL.  WRONG.  HE IS LEAVING ACADEME FOR THE PROVERBIAL
GREENER FIELDS.  CIAO.
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From: boyko@skyfox.usask.ca
Subject: looking for mediaeval/renaissance mailing lists
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:33:40 GMT

Greetings!
        I am new to ther internet, and a graduate student in history
at the university of saskatchewan. I seek a mailing list or lists
that deal with renaissance history and/or mediaeval history.
I have heard that one such list exists.
pax,
richard boyko
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 08:19:33 EST
From:         Tom Powers <TPOWERS@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: US NATIONAL EPIC
              14 Nov 1992 06:42:12 EST from <jgc5p@UVA.PCMAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU>

     Well, I don't claim to be an expert at this, but I suspect that the
epics we now consider great literature were once part of mass culture.
I suspect that they got to be epics by being passed down from generation
to generation by means of tale-tellers and chanting poets. References to
Homer would have been familiar to almost any Classical Greek, not just to
the educated elite. Likewise, almost any Moslem could recite long
stretches of the Koran. (That's not to say that the Koran is an epic,
but that the oral tradition tends to commit long works to mass culture.)
     That's why I was only half-facetious when I suggested "Rosanne"
and "The Simpsons," and hardly facetious at all when I suggested John
Wayne. The medium has changed -- it's not long recitations of poems
any more -- but the character is much the same.
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From:         BV0325@BINGVMB.BITNET
Subject:      Re: NAS
              19 Nov 1992 03:14:00 -0500 from <adler@RISC1.ACC.URI.EDU>

I believe that the NAS crowd views its mission in life as trying to main-
tain the Western tradition in the academy.  This has probably been pushed to
its current organizational form by the writings of people like Said in
his _Orientalism_ which basically critiques the Eurocentric methods that
characterize much of the writing of history.  Said, and others, raise many
important issues that should make the NAS people anxious.  Even casual
examinations of most standard history texts reveal Eurocentric ideas, methods,
etc. that certainly have distorted the way we view non-western peoples, theorie
s, and ideas. If we continue to portray "the other" as the negative image
of the West, we risk continuing a tradition that has done serious harm to
the history, traditions, and customs of non-western peoples. To say that we
need to de-center our disciplines only threatens those people who feel that
this somehow threatens their existence, which it doesn't, but can also lead
to extreme political forms like we are witnessing in Germany and parts of the
US.

Samuel White
Binghamton University
bv0325@bingvmb.bitnet
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:28:32 MST
From:         Elliot Palais <IACESP@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Presidents who studied abroad

From: Elliot Palais
In 1914, President Wilson not only bombarded Vera Cruz, he occupied it
for nine months.

Elliot Palais, Social Sciences Coordinator
Arizona State University Libraries,
Tempe, AZ 85287; IACESP@ASUACAD; IACESP@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:47:00 EDT
From:         PBRUSH@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      The Marechal de Saxe

I recently came across the following quote by the Marechal de Saxe:

"In default of knowing what should be done, they do what they know."

The context was a Marine Corps general criticizing US Army strategy
and tactics in the Vietnam ground war, although I'm sure the Marechal
dates from an earlier age.

I'd be tempted to trade my first-born for more information on this
quote, should anyone recognize it.

Peter Brush
PBRUSH@SNYESCVA
Empire State College
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:50:56 EST
From:         Kevin McDade <CXYB@MCGILLA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Lefthandedness

You might be a dyslexic and right-handed at the same time. Your soul
does not have to be left-handed! Spelling problems do not mean you're
dyslexic. If otherwise, half of the United States population would be
dyslexic... Maybe you're just strange as people have been telling you.
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From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Subject: Re: Presidential Dissabilities
Organization: National University of Singapore
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:52:16 GMT

2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (andy) writes:
: Would being a moron count as a disability. If so, I can think of one or more
: Presidents who fit the bill:

This reminds me of a parody of that awful Simon and Garfunkle song
HOMEWARD BOUND which an expat Brit got together in SIngapore a few
years ago, just when the SING government was involved in its campaign to
increase the general i.q. level by encouraging graduates to have more
children (no, I can't explain why they thought graduates more
intelligent than the rest of the population.) Anyway this fellow ended
the song saying how much he wanted to go home

Home, where rights are respected
Home, where morons aren't rejected
Home, where fools are elected
To govern the country . . .

Rather good, I thought.

Richard Pennell, History


)
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:00:00 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Presidents who studied abroad

On Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:40:00 EST <DGPAZ@CLEMSON> said:
>So I suppose that one could ask whether the use of
>methods that failed to distinguish between combatants
>and noncombatants was as central to the strategies of
>the WWII people as it was to the strategies of LBJ and
>the Vietnam people.
>
>Denis Paz

Well, it seems to have been central to Air Marshal Tedder's strategy (if
any--I use the term loosely in his case, not being convinced of his strategic
vision).
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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 15:29:31 EST
From:         Lenny <LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Presidents who studied abroad
              21 Nov 1992 06:22:00 EDT from <PBRUSH@SNYESCVA.BITNET>

I don't want to get into a discussion of the Viet Nam war, or the morality
of that war.

I am interested in determining if LBJ did anything which was truly illegal.
Not just shady, but illegal.

So let me ask: Is is OK to bomb civilians of countries with which you ARE
at war?  Were not some Germans adjudged to be war criminals for the blitz?

How do we reconcile the bombing of Laos, the blitz, and the bombing of
Dresden?  Who were the criminals?  WERE THERE criminals?

Lenny
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:51:59 EST
From:         Lenny <LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Presidential Dissabilities
              16 Nov 1992 14:59:04 -0400 from <WANNAKER@AC.DAL.CA>

Is there some known connection between left-handedness and dyslexia?

Lenny
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:14:42 EST
From:         Cal <PRYLUCK@VM.TEMPLE.EDU>
Subject:      RE: NEW

The command SET listname REPRO sent to the listserv for the list will
get your messages returned to you.  Thus: SET HISTORY REPRO sent to
whatever listserv node you are receiving from should do the trick.

Cal Pryluck, Radio-Television-Film, Temple University, Philadelphia
<PRYLUCK@VM.TEMPLE.EDU>  <PRYLUCK@TEMPLEVM>
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:32:00 EST
From:         DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: US NATIONAL EPIC

On Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:42:27 EST "James G. Carrier"
<jgc5p@UVA.PCMAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU> said:

> Fine, except that smelting, flaking, brewing and moveable type were
> not invented by people likely to predominate in an American epic.

I was responding to Lenny's claim that
"our trips to the Moon" represent "The most important
technological accomplishment in the history of the human race."
Flaking flint and other stone tools, together with brewing,
may have been the sine qua non for the other technological
developments.

> (Yes, Fleming did pennicilin - which I still can not spell - but
> apparently he did not recognize its potential or develop it; I think I
> read somewhere that an American did, though I could be wrong.)

I think you are wrong. Fleming, a Brit married to a Greek (who spent
much of his time in Greece -- his widow got in trouble with the
Colonels, 20 years ago), got at least a knighthood (& possibly a
Nobel Prize) out of his discovery, thereby suggesting that indeed
he recognized potential and perhaps even developed the thing.

Let's look it up in an encyclopedia.

No doubt Lenny will take this comment as further evidence that
Paz is anti-American, since he (Paz) thinks that someone other
than an American may have recognized the implications of
penicillin.

Denis Paz
Department of History
Clemson University
South Carolina, USA
dgpaz@clemson.bitnet
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:19:55 -0400
From:         WANNAKER@AC.DAL.CA
Subject:      re:spelling

I get the feeling that spelling should be inportant since the printing press
standardised the language pretty much.  If we do not make an effort to keep
spelling important then our ides will be as intangible in the future as
hieroglyphics (?) were util the Rosetta Stone

Salut
Giuliano Valentino, Dalhousie U
Wannaker@ac.dal.ca.
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Subject: Khazar Empire
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:34:17 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Is anyone out there knowledgeable about the Khazar Empire circa
700-1000 A.D.?  If so I would like to make contact by e-mail.

Thanks.

-Joe Gaut
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Date:         Sun, 22 Nov 1992 15:52:00 EST
From:         MCCLELLAN@URVAX.BITNET
Subject:      JFK's disabilities
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John F. Kennedy had Addison's Disease, which may or may not be classified as a
disability. It didn't really disable him, except that he had to take mdication
for it. He was high on that (Or it might have been morfine for his back) at the
   Vienna summit.
Vienna Summit.
  While he was able to hide it from Kruschev, one guy who spoke to him after he
came from a meting with Kruschev said JFK looked straight through him as if he
was not even there. Other's have contributed JFK's daze from to the fact that
NK scared him.
  JFK's bad back could be considered a disability since he could be almost
paralized with pain. It has been suggested that had it not been for the back
brace, he could have survived in Dallas, because he would have slumped
completely down in the seat. The brace, however, made that impossible, and only
his head slumped.

  As it is the 29th anniversary of that dreadful day in Dallas, I would like to
Ask how many of you have your own Assassination theory? I have one, and if
you'r interested, just say the word. Plus, I am convinced that had JFK lived,
he would have pulled out of Vietnam.

                         J'Mac at UR
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Date:         Sun, 22 Nov 1992 18:18:47 MST
From:         ICJME@ASUACAD.BITNET
Subject:      "22 November, A Day's Remembrance"

Greetings and Salutations
M. Smith -
  Until you mentioned it, I had forgotten that today was the 29th anniversary
of JFK's death. (Not that I really care - while it had large meaning for our
generation, and I _do_ remember what I was doing - I believe there are other
events more important in my life.)
  No, my question is that you seem to have a deep hatred for RM Nixon,
excoriating him as you did. Why is that? Whence comes this absolute hatred?
Just as a minor observation, from the words you used to whip him, I would
guess that you would put Nixon down there with Stalin, Lenin, and Hitler
(Hmmm?) I am not a supporter of Nixon, but is the man so bad as that? Or is it
that he refused to pander to the (public relations) desires of the nation, and
did what he thought was best for the nation - after all, he got us out of
VietNam, and earlier, when Communism seemed to be the greatest threat, he
fought against the perceived threat. Is it his fault that he always looked as
though he had a five o'clock shadow that make-up couldn't or wouldn't cover?
He may have been a power-grubber (I don't _know_), but in what way is that (1)
a fault, or (2) any different than _any_ other politician? And remember how
thankful everyone was in 1968 when LBJ quit the race? And how optimistic
everyone was when Nixon came in? In 1973, he fulfilled a promise he made -
fighting forces out of VietNam, thus abrogating several treaties the US had
made over the previous two decades, e.g., SEATO.
  Was Nixon a criminal? From what I understand from my studies, he did nothing
any other president or politician has done - he simply got caught while in
office.
  Nixon had substance, LBJ had substance (I won't tell you explicitly what
kind of substance - now there is a president to rank down with that other
Johnson!), Kennedy had style without substance as did Carter and Reagan.
Truman had both style and substance - none since.

  By the way, I volunteered to go to VietNam - I was about two weeks too late.
The Air Force wasn't sending anyone new by then (1973-4).

|---------------|
|Jim Emmons     |  The lion and the lamb may lie down together,
|<icjme@asuacad>|  but
|---------------|  the lamb won't get much sleep.
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