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From: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: DT vs. Kukoc
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:54:06 GMT
Reply-To: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <1992Jul29.200356.9075@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
>And as for the team itself, I think only Magic and Stockton aren't looking
>severely pompous.  Jordan, Pippen, Barkley and Malone all have a lot of work 
>to do as far as humility goes.

  This is not intended as a flame, but why do you think humility is important
to a basketball team?  These players know that they're good, and they carry
that swagger on the court.  That kind of confidence can intimidate lesser
opponents.  It is in the nature of some players to preen more than others;
I believe that for those who do it is part of what makes them successful on
the court.  Talking trash obviously does not make you a great player, but
a great player tries to take every advantage they can, and if that includes
getting a mental edge by psyching out their opponent, what's wrong with that?
I think the mental aspects of basketball have been overlooked for a long time;
there are a lot of mind games out there, and those players that can't cope 
with them will end up being burned.  (see: the Dumb Team)
  These leads me to the point that we should feel sorry for other countries 
for fielding our best team.  Why should the US play down to other countries'
levels?   Why not inspire them to play up to the USA's level of play?  I 
guarantee you that the slaughter this year will inspire closer contests in 
future international events.
  As far as off the court behavior goes, USA Basketball did not assemble the
Congenial Team, they assembled the Dream Team.  Just because Stockton is
less arrogant than some of the others (I don't buy that Magic is less arrogant)
off the court doesn't mean that everyone must be a boy scout.  I like the 
team's honesty and personality; I weary of the "rah-rah go USA 110%" athletes
myself.

--Rob Clough
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Enough is Enough Ed...(and myself as well)
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:42:58 GMT
Organization: VMark Software, Inc.

Alright Ed, I think we have now reached our 1 month limit...  It is time this
thread stopped, once again.  I am bored with having to re-read old posts
and stuff.  Oh, don't worry, I am sure you will respond with comments about
me "wimping" out and all, and everything else, but I've gotten used to your
stupidity over the monthes.  Anyway...  I think Nate said it best...

Who cares whether you think I said the Bird 3ptr was bogus or not??  It is
obvious to all who care, with the exception of you, that it was not what 
was said, nor was it what was meant or believed.  It is clear that my 
feelings on the subject were that the call was fine.  You have had a good
time trying to pick lines apart to try and "prove" that I said something, but
I am reminding myself of the point of.."who cares"???   Ok, obviously, I
did for quite a while, but I no longer do...  Think what you like, you will
anyway.  If it puts a little happiness into your sorry life to believe that
I "admitted" it, then you can think what you like.  Besides, it doesn't 
alter the main fact that your overall argument of the Boston Bias issue
was pretty weak.

Anyway, the Olympics start soon, so I am sure we can get into other arguments,
such as whether Stockton should be on the team, or Bird, or whether Bird
should start over Malone, or whatever.  Also, since the teams are beginning
to get things back into shape again (NBA), we could argue the merits of
whether Jon Barry was a good choice, or whether David Robinson will win
DPOTY again, or whatever... 

Let's just get back to basketball...

Dave

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From: exujeff@exu.ericsson.se (Jeff Thompson)
Subject: Re: Olympic jerk
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:29:03 GMT

In article <16832484B.O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Doug Miller) writes:
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> I am getting damn tired of Charles Barkley's mouth and his antics. He
>is destroying the Dream Team. I just feel sorry for the rest of them because
>they are making me proud to be an american, Barkley isn't.
} Every body is getting a hernia over Charles who is being Charles, much the 
way Michael is being Michael and Karl is being Karl.  I would certainly hope 
that if you are concerned about how proud our sport figures represent the U.
S that you have put out your opionions for the last 15 years on a certain 
american Tennis Player.
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 92 14:58:23 CST
From:         Derek Morgan <C31801IE@WUVMD>
To:           NETNEWS@WUVMD
Reply-To:     derek@wubios.wustl.edu
Subject:      Re: USA v Angola
Newsgroups:   rec.sport.basketball.pro

I sort of feel like I'm watching a car wreck when I watch the USA play. Same
kind of morbid fascination...

Barkley? Charles was pissed off that four (count'em) Angolans fouled him
the previous trip up the court; man number four basically landed on his
back, arms and elbows over Charles' head (It _was_ a good head fake...).
I think that he should have been disqualified from the game. After all,
the Angolans _were_ trying to block his shot, which is allowable under
the rules; Charles was trying to throw an elbow.

The Angolan coach still says that they don't play defense in the NBA. OK,
does that mean that if they played defense in the NBA the score would've
been 68-0??? Or does it mean that the 48 his team scored represents the
limit of their scoring potential? They don't play defense; team USA had
30 steals. Oh, I see, the Angolans were just giving them the basketball
for autographs, it had nothing to do with defense!

Derek
From: dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Average Centers
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:40:25 GMT
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Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

In article <55372@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>amount of repetition will make a bad shooter into a good one(see Chris
>Dudley) since practicing bad technique is counter productive. I shoot
>freethrows with completely different form than I shoot a jumper because
>2 me the shots are totally different.
>
>
>Russ Smith
>*******************************************************************************


Russ, 

I was having a similar discussion with my brother in law just this past month,
I believe that the reason that alot of players miss the shot is because they
treat it like it was a different shot. I shoot it the same way as my jump shot.
Same motion, same release, with very little pause. I shoot around the high 80's
so it works for me.

My nephews are both good outside shooter but stuggle a bit at the line. I 
suggested changing the way they shoot (making it more like there normal shot) 
my brother in law nearly had a heart attack and lectured me on the difference
in the shot. I believe that this is bull and would like to hear others opinions.

Well Yogi Berra said "You can't hit and think at the same time" well I 
believe that you can't shoot and think at the same time. 

					Dennis Joyce
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Sixers Camp News?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:20:14 GMT

> [question about Hornacek going to the bench]

	Well, U have to realize that all throughout his basketball career,
	Johnny Dawkins has been a superstar.  He received every all-star team
	award in high school, was a 4-year starter and 2-time all-american at
	Duke, and has started practically every game since he entered the NBA.
	While at this point Hornacek may be the more polished player, Dawkins
	needs to maintain his starting position to keep up his level of
	confidence.  He has very good skills -- some of them just haven't
	totally developed yet.

	As far as Hornacek's ego, yes he is an all-star, but he has worked his
	way up to the position.  He hasn't always been on cloud 9.  He made
	the Iowa St team as a walk-on, and didn't get significant playing time
	until his upper classman years.  He didn't crack the starting lineup in
	Phoenix until just a few years ago.  As a 3rd guard, his role would be
	much like that of Danny Ainge's on the Blazers the past 2 years.  Ainge
	was a former all-star, yet adapted quite well as a cog off the bench.
	With Hornacek's abilities, the transition should be very similar.

	Jazzy J

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From: exujeff@exu.ericsson.se (Jeff Thompson)
Subject: Re: T-Wolves news
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:21:39 GMT

Sorry, 	
No news...	But
I doubt that any Negotians with Christian will be under way untill after 
the Olympics

die-hard-2 







In article <tan.711765650@aries> tan@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Lian Tan) writes:
>From: tan@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Lian Tan)
>Subject: T-Wolves news
>Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:40:50 GMT

>Does anyone have any T-wolves news?  I recently read that they have
>signed the 1st of their 3 2nd round choices, Marlon Maxey.  How 'bout
>the others?  Any trades?  Who have they waived/cut?  How are contract
>negotiations with Leatner, if it's even begun yet?

>Would appreciate any and all follow ups!


>Die Hard T-Wolves fan!

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From: afcanav@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI)
Subject: Re: Dream Team II - Practice Team? or Better?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 23 Jul 1992 08:12 EST  

In article <1992Jul20.231056.14727@nynexst.com>, ashokk@nynexst.com (Ashok Kalyanswamy) writes...
>gjacknow@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Greg Jacknow) writes:
>: 
>: When talking about a center for the dream team II along with dougherty and shaq and
>: parish I think you would have to consider Pervis Ellison, who is quietly
>: becoming a hell of a Center.
>: 
> 
> 
>And at the P.forward spot, I would add Derrick Coleman ...

Are you sure he would go in when asked to? :) I had to say SOMETHING about 
him-which raises the question, if they didn't take  Isaih because of 
personal reasons (maybe, maybe not), then would they even consider DC?



Vic Canacci, Sverdrup Tech., NASA Lewis Cleveland


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From: O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Doug Miller)
Subject: Olympic jerk
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 09:08:27 GMT

 I am getting damn tired of Charles Barkley's mouth and his antics. He
is destroying the Dream Team. I just feel sorry for the rest of them because
they are making me proud to be an american, Barkley isn't.
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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Final Score: 102-70 (Re: USA/Croatia time ? )
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:01:08 GMT

In article <153uraINNpvr@cs.utexas.edu> wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward) writes:
>I missed the beginning of the Croatia game.  Has the DT been losing in any of
>their games so far?  2-0?  If not, there could be a small victory waiting out
>there for some team.  I got the feeling against Angola that we should have
>given them Malone and Jordan for the second half just to even things up a bit!

Funny you should ask.  After Angola went up 3-2 (or was it 2-1) in the 
first game, my friends and I all agreed that they should have just run off
the court, gone to the locker rooms, and declared it a victory!

Boy that would have been cruel!

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From: tswilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Sly Fox)
Subject: POGO-stick RETIRES (yes,aint kidding)
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:12:21 GMT

Dennis Rodman, the Detriot Pistons' pogo stick will retire soon to concerate
on his business in Houston. He said he is tired of NBA and have no motivate
to play anymore.

I guess because of:

1. Daly is not his coach anymore.

2. William Bedford is not on the pine anymore.

3. Detriot is not Chicago Bulls.

4. Was never voted MVP or play in All-Star games.

5. Had plenty of money and need a stable life in Houston.

6. Had the feeling that Pistons do not have any desire or chemistry to win.

7. Start life early.
From: wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: USA v Angola
Date: 27 Jul 1992 11:04:34 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: world
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In article <150ssaINN6gl@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM writes:
|skprimus@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Siu Kai Ho) had some interesting comments of the game;
|I'd just like to add a few of my own:
|
|> 1. They looked much better with Magic on the court in the middle of
|> the fastbreak making pretty passes for layups,dunks
|
|Magic had some SWEET no-look passes in the second half. However, if memory
|serves me correctly, most of the damage done during the 46-1 run was when
|the DT took out Magic and Bird and put in Pippen and Barkley. Pippen, 
|Jordan and Barkley ran wild, forcing turnovers or bad shots and then
|bolting down court for electrifying jams.
|

Actually, I seem to remember most of the damage being done after Drexler came
in for Jordan.

Rick
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Bullchit! Re: POGO-stick RETIRES (yes,aint kidding)
Organization: University of Michigan
	<Brv2Mn.40s@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1992Jul24.140711.22390@cci632.cci.com>
	<exujeff.7.711999086@exu.ericsson.se>
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:37:04 GMT

In article <exujeff.7.711999086@exu.ericsson.se> exujeff@exu.ericsson.se (Jeff Thompson) writes:

    Rodmans buisness unfortunately is in FRISCO, TX. which is a SUB of 
   DALLAS,	not Houston, ESPN did report that he may retire...he is just fishing 
   for offers to get the HELL out of DETROIT.  Would you want to be a player or 
   a FAN for the PISTONS?

Well, as long as you are getting precise with geography, I doubt that Dennis
has ever worked a day of his life in Detroit.  I know that he hasn't lived
there.  Hell, even the air port isn't in Detroit.

And I'd bet if you took a survey of the players drafted this year, the vast
majority of them would love to be a Piston.  At least it gets you in the
league.  Chuck is gone.  Ricky is gone.  Bill is aging before our eyes.
Isiah is still limping.  And the team has been hammered in the playoffs the
last two years.  Exactly what is the essence of the Pistons that you still
hate some much?  Or isn't there a rational basis for it.

Bill
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From: sophatsa@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Peraphon)
Subject: Dream Team VS Brazil
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:43:59 GMT

Does anyone know if there is any possibility that the Dream Team will play
the Brazilian?  Several friends of mine have been talking about this matchup
for some time.  Should this happen, we would definitely cancel all activities
to watch the Dream Team scored 200 points.  I'd consider the Dream Team lost
if they did not get 200+ points, IMO.
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From: jason@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Jason Rosenberg)
Subject: I missed the draft!
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 01:03:15 GMT

I just got back from Europe.  I missed the NBA draft.  Could someone send me
a list of the draft results, as well as any available transaction info, such
as trades and signings over the last month?  
Any partial info will be appreciated, anything at all...

Please send me e-mail, I don't have time to read this group regularly, it's 
too dangerously time-consuming....

Thanks,

Jason

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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Here's one for U (1986 World Championships)
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:50:46 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

In rec.sport.basketball.pro, jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
|>
|>        .... I certainly can't understand this one.  Explain to me
|>        how this team won:
|>
|>        1986 USA World Championships Team
|>
|>        Team facts:
|>        -  Averaged 84.1 ppg vs opponents 71.2 ppg
|>        - Shot 49.6% vs opponents 39.9%
|>        - Outrebounded opp 290 - 266.
|>        - Final recordd:  9-1.
|>          Lost to Argentina (??!!)  74-70.
|>          Defeated USSR (w/ Sabonis, Volkov, etc.) 87-85 for championship.
|>
|>        Question:
|>        Now, this team looks on the surface to have MUCH less talent than
|>        that 1990 Goodwill Games team.  And this team is younger too!
|>        [... text deleted ...]
|>        still in college at the time of these games.  They shot under 50%
|>        from the field, played without injured Steve Kerr (by far their best
|>        outside shooter) in the finals, and beat an older, much more 
|>        experienced Soviet team in the finals.  Talk about overachieving!

No wonder!  There were 4 ACC players on the team!  :-)


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From: ortcm@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (thomas.mcguigan)
Subject: Re: DALLAS makes offer to Stanley Roberts!!!!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:04:23 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.112424.19476@crd.ge.com> hanley@fyi.crd.ge.com (Christopher W Hanley) writes:
>...  Anyway the Mavs have made a 5 year
>contract offer to Stanley Roberts of the Magic.  Since he is a restricted 
>free agent, the Magic have 15 days to match the offer.  Details not 
>disclosed.  ?: Can the Magic sign Roberts and Shaq and stay under the cap
>or will they have to cut several players.

At this time, including the qualifying offer made to Stanley ($700K/yr),
the Magic are ~$1.5M under the salary cap.  Rumors in the local papers
say that they would need to come up with an offer including ~$3.5M in the
first year to sign O'Neal within the 15 day period.  Because the Magic
are under the cap, waiving players with guaranteed contracts will not
provide any more salary cap $.  To get an additional $2M, Orlando would
have to trade at least two of its players.  Their signed roster is (to
the best of my memory, more accurate info is welcomed):

Skiles - ~$1.4M this year, 3 years left on contract.
Vincent - ~$1.6M this year, last year of contract.
Catledge - ~$1.5M this year, 4 years left
Turner - ~$0.7M this year, 3 years left
Reynolds - ~$1.4M this year, 3 years left
Kite - ~$0.9M this year, 3 years left
Scott - ~$2.4M this year, ?time left
Williams - ~$1.1M this year, 2 years left
Anderson - ~$0.8M this year, last year

The Magic want Scott, Williams, and Anderson to stay.  Kite and Reynolds
are probably not going to attract any offers under any circumstances, 
(although I think that Kite can still provide good minutes in a back-up
role, and would be happy to see him fill that role with the Magic next
season).  Skiles may attract an offer (San Antonio comes to mind) in his
own right.  To move Vincent, Catledge and/or Turner, Orlando would 
probably need to include someone of real value (most likely Anderson -
Scott is still uncertain, with the knee injury, and Williams still
needs to prove he is not a head case [his showing at the recent rookie/
free-agent camp was disappointing]).

>I am sure the Magic will try
>to sign Roberts and then trade him at least.  He obviously has some good
>market value.  To get nothing for him would be a crime!!!

Yes, they will try, but I'm not sure it will happen.  If Shaq is not signed,
I don't think Orlando will match the offer (Pat Williams is enough of a
gambler to risk it, but DeVos is too prudent is let him).  If the price of
signing Shaq within 15 days is losing Anderson, I don't think that it's 
worth it.

One additional factor, if the Magic do sign Roberts with the intent to trade,
then who would they trade him to?  The Heat's offer was turned down because they
put some off-season conditioning clauses in to protect themselves.  While I
have heard rumors of other teams being interested (Milwaukee, Golden State),
but I'm not sure how serious the interest was.

It will be an interesting two weeks.

Tom@Orlando
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From: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui)
Subject: Re: Hornets B-ball
Reply-To: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 06:33:43 GMT

In article <92202.084501JGARLITZ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, JGARLITZ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>The Hornets were a center away from being a team that would compete in
>the playoffs.  Now with Alonzo Mourning as their center, the Hornets are
>the team to watch for the playoffs next year.  I have no doubts that this
>team with the backup support of Larry Johnson and Rex Chapman will be able
>to go over the .500 mark next season.

       Rex Chapman?  I think he was traded to Washington for Tom Hammonds.

Edward Hui
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