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Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: [XENIX] No Such User - still cannot alias mail to self!
From: kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 01:41:56 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island
Keywords: alias

In article <uBgwiB4w165w@halcyon.com> ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:

>kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:

>> figured out what it meant, as have a few of my users, but the vast
>> majority hasn't. "CD" they might relate to, but "log" is a foreign
>> word..... "A)rea Change" gets immediate response :-)

>Log's a holdover from CP/M days gone by.

Oops! I just gave my Osborne to my son, too - damn!

>Big city?  Yeah, right.  We have to go outside and reverse the phone
>lines to make an outgoing call.  Anyhoo, it's nice seeing you're
>still around.  I'm going to make a dent in these DOS boys, yet. I
>already have one chap installing linux and playing around with
>unix on 'bigger iron'.  I've got Waffle up and running under ULTRIX
>and things weren't that bad.  There's a dozen or so Waffle Irons
>down here and the Word's spreading like maple syrup.  Now to get
>rfmail installed and let the Usenet hounds see what Fightonet
>has to offer.

I had 24 WaffleDOS sites last fall, but had to shut down - the phone
bills got out of hand (polling l/d for news, even with the 'blazer,
was costly).... now there are 6 or 7, but I expect things to expand
now that I have a local feed, and costs are down... I've decided to
avoid Linux until the software ports for it are stable and
comprehensive (i.e. perl, smail, elm, cnews, GNU C, etc) - then I will
start up another box and see if I can generate some local
enthusiasm.... the dos nets and pestview/oops DESQview just don't cut
it compared to UseNet..... 

but I'd still have 200 more users if I had Maximus running here :-)

(Tom, love the product, but gotta tell it like it is :-))



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From: harrison@west.darkside.com (Harrison Page)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: [XENIX] No Such User - still cannot alias mail to self!
Keywords: alias
Date: 11 Apr 92 10:10:32 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM

grettir%pension@uunet.uu.net (Grettir Asmundarson) writes:
 
> * On re-reading this, I laughed.  I've fallen into the trap!  Have you 
> noticed how people often write about "Tom" like he's their closest 
> personal friend?  Sorry, Mr. Dell.  I didn't mean to presume... ;-)

Hmm.. You've got a point there.  Nasty habit.  Hey, Tom, what did you 
think of the movie?  Why did you stuff the rabbit into my coffee can?  
When do I get my hard drive?  Can I have more icons?  

  ..Harrison (who's just being silly. we can go back to discussing
              Prodigy now.  cough.)

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From: minotaur@labyrnth.via.mind.org (The Minotaur)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: VAC for Waffle wanted
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:21:10 GMT
Organization: Celtic Software Systems, Decatur, GA

rahard@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes:

> minotaur@labyrnth.via.mind.org (The Minotaur) writes:
> ...
> >Could someone please post where to find perl for MS-DOS?  I've been searchin
> >and searching and haven't been able to find it.
> 
> There is one available from simtel20 (and its mirrors/listservs)
> also it's available at "ftp.ee.umanitoba.ca":pub/msdos/perl/
> 
> -- budi
> --
> Budi Rahardjo
> <rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca>      <rahard@ee.umanitoba.ca> 
> Electrical Engineering - University of Manitoba - Canada

I'd like to thank everyone that gave me information on where to find perl for
MS-DOS.  rick@ssg.com (if memory serves me correctly) sent me a uuencoded
copy of perl419x.zip for my system.  I've since successfully uudecoded it
and installed it.  Now, I'll be busy learning how to use it.

Thanks!

--John K.
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From: system@hale.cts.com (System Administration)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle and "pretty ANSI" screens
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:12:48 GMT
Organization: Hale Telecommunications San Diego CA

felipe@ooc.uva.nl (Felipe Rodriquez Svensson) writes:

> >Ansi logon screen
> 
> I would never use ANSI in a logon screen, you never know if the caller's
> terminal supports ANSI. If you want ANSI screens, put them after the logon 
> screen, and at the users request only (if that's possible(!)), thus 
> letting the choice of having ANSI to the user.
> I always prefere not having ANSI at lower baudrates because it slows
> things down a lot.


Yes, ANSI or log logins in the entry files are an evil thing.  I stopped 
feeding a local site because of this.  (They were in the process of 
getting a more direct feed anyway, but still...)
 
Why don't you move your ANSI to the Welcome, and it'll be displayed just 
after login, and polling sites will never see it.


             -=-  System Administrator  system@hale.cts.com  -=-
                      Hale Telecommunications, San Diego
From: root@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Anonymous posting under 1.64
Keywords: DOS Waffle, anonymous posting
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:32:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: dogear.765
Organization: Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA

In article <1992Apr6.164858.1714@mercury.unt.edu> darren@sol.acs.unt.edu (Darren Paul Loher) writes:
>Is there anyway to remove the time/date stamp on anonymous posts?
>(local forum, DOS Waffle 1.64) 
>

I suppose you could always go into the directory and remove it manually. But
what's the point?

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From: jbla@giraffe.in-berlin.de (Johannes Blankenstein)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Re: NEED a waffle program but NOT as BBS (A news-reader type)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 21:04:10 GMT
Distribution: world               
Organization: Private MS-DOS Site

ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:

> There are NO programs similar to Waffle. :-)

Hi Ralph,

you are right but there are a lot of useful extensions. ;-))

    Johannes

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Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Zmodem NOT recommended (was Re: f,e-protocol in 1.65)
From: cybapunk@hovel.welly.gen.nz (Phil Ross)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 18:48:19 GMT
Distribution: World
Organization: The Hovel Bulletin Board System
Keywords: Arguments
Summary: Zmodem over UUCP-g

david@csource.oz.au (david nugent) writes:

> pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley) writes:
> 
> > I would strongly recommend AGAINST using Zmodem for your UUCP
> > transport layer.  This is my opinion only, of course.
> > Zmodem works well for its intended purpose; user-supervised
> > uploads/downloads.
>
> It's just that for the last 5 years I've been doing "unattended transfers"
> with FidoNet mailers using ZModem as the base file transfer protocol.
> Long distance (gasp!) transfers included. You can include me amongst the
> 16,000 odd FidoNet systems in the world and add another few thousand for
> members of other networks using the same technology.
> 
> Your claim is spurious. I'm not denying that there is a very real
> possibility that you're sending it a hung system, but in real life
> if doesn't often happen, or is usually accompanied by loss of carrier.
> I see nothing wrong with a ZModem variant which is incorporated into
> uucico for systems that can use it. Certainly the error correction is
> better that uucp-g, so it's better for transfer of larger block sizes
> (there is a significant statistical difference between the error
> detection schemes), and the file resume capability, transparency
> over links using software flow control and auto-resizing of blocks
> to suit line conditions is definitely worth it.

Fine fine fine fine.  Argue all you like.  But Tom Dell may well see this
argument as a waste of time, and you guys aren't going to get the feature
you want / don't want by arguing about it.  For those of you that want Zmodem,
but have to put up with UUCP-g protocol, do something about it!
Do some tests, record the results and post them here.  Test what happens
if the remote end drops carrier.  Test error recovery, test speed, test
everything.  I'm sure Tom Dell would consider making it a feature of Waffle
if he had some proof that it would be worth his while.

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From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle 1.65
Date: 9 Apr 92 04:25:26 GMT
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service

mike@mallard.uk.mugnet.org (Mike Zanker) writes:

> I've been receiving one or two items of mail recently with
> Waf/165 in the message header. I've tried locating this latest
> version without success - perhaps someone can tell me where I can
> get hold of a copy.

It will be available in virtually all the same places 1.64 is now.
You'll have to wait until it is released, however.  What you're seeing
is postings from beta sites.
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: NEED a waffle program but NOT as BBS (A news-reader type)
From: geoff@satori.equinox.gen.nz (Geoff McCaughan)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 00:19:38   M
Organization: The Equinox Network CHCH NZ (Node SATORI)

ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:

> Disable the features in Waffle that you don't want them to use.  Waffle
> is an exceptionally fine offline news and mail reader.

Bit late for April first isn't it?

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From: mathew@mantis.co.uk
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle 1.65
Date: 15 Apr 92 10:58:39 GMT
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

quattro@thoki.toppoint.de (Thorsten Boente) writes:
> mathew@mantis.co.uk writes:
> > Register the version you have with Tom Dell, then when 1.65 is out he'll ma
> > you a copy.
> 
> by the way... would this mailed c opy be mailed private or would it be posted
> here??

You know those things called stamps?


mathew
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From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: MAIL FOLDERS under 1.65b7
Keywords: WAFFLE MAIL FOLDER 1.65 BETA
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:56:36 GMT
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service

system@hale.cts.com (System Administration) writes:

> OOPS, you missed the header, 1.65 allows for mail folders, of which I've 
> been using.  The answer is MAIL *, from what I've recieved.

Which was, of course, mentioned in history.doc.  That one file is
a gold mine of information, especially when it comes to new releases.
From: sp@questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve Pershing)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Waffle and "pretty ANSI" screens
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 08:58:44 PDT
Organization: Questor: Free Usenet News: Vancouver, BC: +1 604 681 0670

After watching all the flack about waffle not accomodating colorful
ANSI screens, my feeling is: why bother?

Some people claim to have lost "hundreds" of users, all because of waffle.
"If only I were running _____us  or some other bbs, all would be so much
better.

The overhead associated with the "pretty ANSI" screens often exceeds the
content of the message you are trying to get across.

The *caller* should be responsible for how "pretty" he wants the incoming
data to be.  *His* newsreader should be adding the colors.  There are already
a few that do this to some extent, and I am sure that some enterprising
programmer wouldn't have too much trouble making a news/mail reader which
would recognise most all of the headers to provide anyone with whatever
display colors they want.

Personally, I am more than happy to see (paraphrasing Ken McVay): a caller
calls in, sees the lack of ANSI, and leaves quicker than a bullet.

Those callers are the ones who are generally free software shoppers, and don't
want to read or contribute anything in any event.

What we are left with (here, at least) are some serious callers who go
directly to the specific newsgroups of interest, and often contribute some
very good ideas to the net.

Finally... the *awful waffle* files section:  It is up for a complete
re-working, but WHEN TOM HAS THE TIME.  Again, I don't care if it *ever*
gets re-written, as I don't care for file hogs to dial in anyway.

Just my two cents worth...


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Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle,alt.fan.monty-python
From: otto@palikka.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela)
Subject: Re: [XENIX] No Such User - still cannot alias mail to self!
Organization: The Crimson Permanent Assurance Company
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 10:05:33 GMT

kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
> That's a good beginning, but what on earth does "LOG" have to do with
> changing file AREAS or DIRECTORIES?

Because... they are made of wood ?
	And therefore ?
A witch, a witch !  Burn her !
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From: tom@salzo.Cary.NC.US (Tom Salzmann)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: "funky" keyboard under WINDOWS
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 12:45:09 EDT
Organization: SalzoBoard BBS

When running in a DOS window or full screen under Windows 3.1, I 
sometimes lose a typed character or two when in a local login
of Waffle.  Has this been seen before?  Is there any switch to 
set to help this?  Will 1.65 clean up the keyboard input code a bit?

Tom

--
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From: peters@beltrix.guild.org (Peter Sleggs)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Zmodem NOT recommended (was Re: f,e-protocol in 1.65)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 11:03:58 EDT
Organization: Bellatrix Systems Corp., Mississauga, ONT Canada

pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley) writes:

> I would strongly recommend AGAINST using Zmodem for your UUCP
> transport layer.  This is my opinion only, of course.
> 
> Zmodem works well for its intended purpose; user-supervised
> uploads/downloads.
> 
> However, most UUCP communication is unsupervised.  Zmodem does not
> require ANY ack's from the receiving system.  Zmodem is quite
> capable of thus continuing to dump data for hours into a system
> that has hung, died, modem unplugged from computer, etc.

As I recall the default frame size is the file size, i.e. only an ack at
the end of the file is required - but it is required,

Begin extract from the DSZ Docs

When a ZMODEM frame length of 0 is specified (the default), a single
frame will span the entire file if there are no errors.  This is the
main source of ZMODEM's reputation for fast transfers.

Setting the ZMODEM frame length to a number between 64 and 16384
restricts the frame length to that value.  At the end of each frame,
the sender stops sending and waits for an acknowledgement from the
receiver.  When set, the ZMODEM frame length corresponds in function
to the 128 or 1024 byte block length of XMODEM based protocols.

END extract from DSZ Docs

>
> Three window, 64-byte packet UUCP-g does far too many ack's at 9600
> baud, but going to no acks at all is not a great solution.
> 
> Even for local calls, a hung recipient under Zmodem could tie up
> the sending modem.  And any replacement for UUCP-g that you propose
> has to be acceptable to those who do long-distance transfers!


We've shown that Zmodem does not have the fault you are concerned with -
and the concern of large files continuing to a dead can be fixed by
limiting the frame size.

try again.

peter

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From: quattro@thoki.toppoint.de (Thorsten Boente)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle 1.65
Date: 14 Apr 92 06:58:32 GMT
Organization: Thorsten Boente

mathew@mantis.co.uk writes:

> Mike Zanker <mike@mallard.uk.mugnet.org>  writes:
> > I'm very pleased to have just discovered this newsgroup!
> > 
> > I've been receiving one or two items of mail recently with
> > Waf/165 in the message header. I've tried locating this latest
> > version without success - perhaps someone can tell me where I can
> > get hold of a copy.
> 
> Register the version you have with Tom Dell, then when 1.65 is out he'll mail
> you a copy.
> 
> 
> mathew
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Hi, Mathew...

by the way... would this mailed c opy be mailed private or would it be posted
here??

greetings


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From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: UUCICO Problems With Gorgeous Screens.
Keywords: uucico,dos,waffle,problem
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:30:40 GMT
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service

frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton) writes:

> I decided to try and make Waffle look a little better and design some 
> ANSI screens for the login sequence (as the BBS wimps like these things).

Not a good idea.  I'd suggest the welcome screen instead, and leave
the entry for logins.

> However, things go "bump" when attempting a site calls via UUCICO to send 
> me some mail/news.  I've simulated this on my other computer to find out 
> what is happening, the modems connect, UUCICO begins looking for the 
> 'NEW:' prompt (this is Waffle UUCICO btw) but instead is inundated with 
> this ANSI screen stuff.

Yep.  You're giving it too much data.  Why subject your uucp callers
to having to kludge unnecessary chat scripts?  If you MUST, then YOU
should provide them with a sample chat script to get through the
fluff.  Something like (wrapped for clarity)

choice: \c BBS, \c echo's! \c .org \c BBS \c .com \c secs. PASS
     Wait... \c BBS \c wk \c Operator \c .com \c NEW: xxx word:--word: yyy

> Any tunable parameters for this?

Nope.
From: sp@questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve Pershing)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle BBS wanted
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 12:40:01 PDT
Organization: Questor: Free Usenet News: Vancouver, BC: +1 604 681 0670

caxrudt@pkinbg.UUCP (Hr. Rudolf,EXTERN, ) writes:

=> can anyone please tell me where to get the Waffle BBS program from?

Sure... Waffle 1.64 can be requested from the archive server here.

Just send a mail message to:

     archive-server@questor.wimsey.bc.ca

with the following line (only) in the body of the text:

     get public/waffle/waff164.zip


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From: david@csource.oz.au (david nugent)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Argh!  Give Me Some Space!
Keywords: memory,dos,desqview
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 11:08:05 +1000
Reply-To: david@csource.oz.au
Organization: Unique Computing Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia

peters@beltrix.guild.org (Peter Sleggs) writes:

> david@csource.cec.edu.au (david nugent) writes:
> > frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton) writes:
> > 
> > > However I realize there's no way I can run Waffle on a 4.77 MHz XT with 
> > > 20 MB.  Too slow.  Crashes too often.  But I'm not willing to "give up" 
> > > my 386 either.  So Desqview looks like it may be the answer...and if it's
> > > not then maybe Unix is.
> > 
> > I would suggest that UNIX is.  :)  Sure, DV works if you're willing to
> > spend a fair amount of time tuning it and learning it's limitations.
> 
> given th aprox 10:1 cost ratio DV will do just fine for now!

With a soon-to-be stable 386BSD release and an already quite stable and
usable free UNIX clone (Linux), no, the cost factor is more the other
direction now. :-) I don't know if anyone has compiled WAFFLE under
Linux yet, but I'm pretty confident it would work using a make for any
sysvr3. I've had next to no problems in getting some fairly sizeable
applications (which already work under Sys V) working under Linux.

Of course, to run any sort of UNIX you need a little of the 'hacker'
mentality ... or at least have someone handy who does; even more so
if you opt out of the commercial releases.

.. but then again, it's a little like that with DV too. :)


> > The problem here is not SHARE itself, but how DOS handles sharing errors.
> > When you run an unattended system, it isn't "good behaviour" at any time
> > for DOS to pop up an error message asking to "Abort, Retry Ignore?",
> > and use of share causes this type of thing to happen.
> > 
> I've been experimenting with fatal 1.42, it does an automatic retry to
> fatal errors, that seems to have solved that problem while protecting
> against 2 programs writing to the same file at the same time. Have not
> seen any problems now that I've go the lock files all worked out.

One slightly better alternative than share (imho anyway) is something
called "CRITTER". Rather than programmed to perform retries, it can
be told to return anything you like, with an adjustable timeout. Where
software handles failure correctly - and anything with decent error
checking should - that's probably a better option than Retry, which
can cause an infinite loop in most cases.

[This file was distributed via DVNET recently, so it should be ftp'able
from ims.hayes.alaska.edu, and I'm pretty sure that simtel20 carry the
DVNET distribution too. The file's name is CRITTER.ZIP, approx 12K]


david



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