From: rob@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Rob Vaughn,302 Thurston Hall,50637,2730428)
Subject: More SubPop / SST Discussion
Originator: rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:57:46 GMT

Some corrections and additional information.  Also, I have a fairly complete
Sub Pop discography that I'd be willing to mail or post if anyone's
interested.

> SubPop I think was started -86, possibly -85, by.....ohhhh, wat was his name 
> again. Dave something i think. It got it's name from an article he wrote on 
> the west coast's sub-terranian pop-music, or a series of articles I think.

Bruce Pavitt, who was writing the "Subterranean Pop" column for The Rocket
in Seattle.

> The relationship between SST and SubPop has been very noticeable(is that 
> spelled right?) indeed. There are quite a number of split singles/EP's with 
> SubPop/SST bands.

I can't think of any off-hand.  There are bands that have released stuff on
both SST and Sub Pop, true, but that's pretty far removed from the two labels
working together, or as Eric asked, the two merging.  SST has basically done
jack shit in the last five or more years, except milk their back catalog for
everything it's worth, and not pay royalities to any of the bands.

> As you say Soundgarden and Screaming Trees have both been on SST but, as a 
> matter of fact both of these started out on SubPop.

Screaming Trees have only released one thing on Sub Pop, a 2x7" single called
_Change Will Come_, which was done right before the big label signing and
after several SST albums, including the wonderful _Buzz Factory_ and _Even
If, And Especially When_.  They're definitely not a "Sub Pop band" but
simply a one-shot deal.

> In addition to that 
> Buffalo Tom, Black Flag, Sonic Youth and Dinosaur Jr. have all had releases 
> of some sort on SubPop.

Buffalo Tom and Black Flag have never released anything on Sub Pop.  Sonic
Youth has a track on the Sub Pop 100 compilation, a side on the Mudhoney
split single, and a track on the Alice Cooper covers single.  Dino Jr. was
going to release "The Wagon" 7" but the deal fell through due to the Warners
signing, although there are definitely copies floating around out there.
Maybe you meant SST instead?

>The very first 
>SubPop release was called "SubPop 100".

Actually, there were nine Sub Pop magazine/tape releases before Sub Pop 100.

>Green River (later cracked and turned into Mudhoney, 
>Mother Love Bone and Screaming Trees)

Green River and Screaming Trees have nothing in common.  Green River broke
up, and members started Mudhoney and Mother Love Bone, the latter of which
became Pearl Jam after MLB singer Andy's death.  Bruce Fairweather is now
playing bass for Love Battery.

>Sub Pop 200
>Fluid: Is It Day? (GREAT. not the same version as on Roadmouth))

I like this version much, much better.

Sub Pop is now offering some sort of "Grunge Beginners Package" which looked
pretty good to me, and it'll save the budding grunge fan some $$$ as well.
I'd recommend it to those who might be interested.

Sorry about the hasty tone, I'm in a hurry.

Rob

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