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From: bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell)
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:55:57 GMT

In <1992Dec30.194123.24106@eskimo.com> alpinist@eskimo.com (David Butler) writes:

:In article <1849@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:
:>Harold - don't you recall that the DESIGN speed limit was 70 when the
:>freeways were made?  The 55 speed limit was imposed supposedly to reduce
:>fuel consumption (something that it does not do in more than a few cars).

:It's been a while since I've seen the statistics but there is a big
:correlation between speed and gas consumption.  It is a lot more than
:just a few cars.

It depends on the car's design and setup.  I had a Lotus Elan
with a Broadspeed prepared Cosworth BDA Engine which was most
efficient at 80MPH.  Below that I had to be in 3rd gear :-).

:>A reduction (temporary, mostly) in accidents and fatalities was a spin
:>off.

:The state insurance commisioner issued a report a couple years back showing
:a large correlation between increased gas prices and reduced number of
:accidents.  The theory being that when gas prices are up people both drive
:less and drive more carefully to get better mileage which reduces the chance
:of getting into an accident.

The real reason for the drop was that the lower speed limits and
limited driving resulting from the gas ``shortage'' (it was
amazing that getting gas wasn't a problem once I got 100 miles
from Washington D.C. where the politicians could see the
problems).  People were driving far fewer miles during this time
so fewer accidents/fatalities.  The significant numbers are the
accidents/fatalities per million miles driven.

.......
:>  Incidentally, a side effect of driving to not be noticed,
:>keeping the intervals open, etc., not only is enhanced safety, but lower
:>insurance rates (not a trivial consideration these days).  The cost of
:>liability, collision, comp, etc. can be enough to give anybody a coronary.

:Actually this isn't true.  The car that isn't noticed is more likely to
:be hit.  The most common excuse for an accident is "I didn't even see him".
:I don't know statistics on the color of cars and tickets, but I do know that
:red cars are statistically less likely to get into an accident than any other
:color - the theory being that they are easier to see.  Likewise drab colors
:(Tan and black) are more likely to get into accidents.
: 
Red cars are much more likely to receive tickets too,
particularly red sports cars.

I agree with the visibility issue.  My solution (I drive a tan
Subaru Legacy wagon) is keep the headlights on all the time.  The
lights turn off automatically when the ignition is off (makes
much more sense than starting some stupid chime :-) so I don't
have to worry about running the battery down.

Bill
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SPEED COSTS MONEY -- HOW FAST DO YOU WANT TO GO?
From: jstaffe@uswnvg.com (Jarrod Staffen)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Ling Ling
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:49:59 GMT
Organization: Bob's Lizard Kingdom
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

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    Jarrod Staffen                                         Spontaneity has
    jstaffe@uswnvg.com				       its time and place.
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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: mikel@networx.com (Mike Lempriere)
Subject: Re: Happy with Honda of Seattle service?
Organization: NetWorx
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:02:33 GMT

Mark McWiggins (markmc@halcyon.com) wrote:
: I got some $$$-off coupons for maintenance in the mail, and I thought
: I'd use them if their service department is any good.
: 
: Thanks in advance for any info.
: -- 
: Mark McWiggins        Hermes & Associates		+1 206 632 1905 (voice)
: markmc@halcyon.com    Box 31356, Seattle WA 98103-1356  +1 206 632 1738 (fax)

About 2 years ago we took our '85 in to Honda of Seattle 'cuz it ran very
rough when cold, to the point of stalling at idle.

We picked it up a few days later (we had to call them and ask "is it done
yet?), and  it was just as bad.  We took it back, talked to them patiently,
they gave us a loaner car.  It took another week + (it was over the
Christmas holiday though), and when we got it back it was better.  Not
fixed, it still had the same problem, but it didn't stall anymore -- we
could use it reliably now.

All said and done, it took several trips to Seattle to pick or drop off
the car, several hundred dollars for carberatour work (they are expensive),
and several days without a car.  All for a better working, but still not
entirely fixed problem.

So last year, when it started running crappy again (in other words the
weather got cold), we tried Don Carlton Honda.  Their customer interface
person was extremely friendly and helpful, however, the work just didn't do
the job.  We had the car in and out of the place several times over 3 or 4
weeks.  They replaced several parts, never even made it a little better.
They are also not cheap.

During this process, the friendly/helpful customer service person
disappeared "he's no longer with us".  I do not know if he left or was
dumped.  Whatever the case, once he was gone, things got worse.

About this time we heard a tidbit on the radio that there was a class-action
lawsuit going on against them.  I tried to get more info on this from
Attorney General etc., but gave up after about the 4th phone call.

Since that time, they have changed the company name to Kirkland Honda.
I believe this is significant.  I will not go back to them.

This year, now that it's running crappy again, we were thinking of trying
someone else.  I guess it's gonna be Scott's.
From: harryb@phred.UUCP (harry barnett)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Freedom, Social Responsibility, Individual Responsibility
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:22:28 GMT
Reply-To: harryb@phred.UUCP
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Physio-Control

In article JG3@agora.rain.com, lcline@agora.rain.com (Larry Cline) writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.210708.17518@hpcvca.cv.hp.com> scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com (Scott Linn) writes:
>>
>>Minor nit:
>>
>>It isn't *government* which is limiting personal freedoms in order to make
>>expenses lower; it's the *people*.  The majority of people voted these
>>seatbelt, helmet, etc. laws into effect, in order to decrease *their*
>>costs.
>>
>>Scott Linn
>>scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com
>
>
>I believe the term for this is "tyranny of the majority".
>
>
>
>-- 
>Larry Cline (Amiga Harpoon Scenario Administrator)
>lcline@agora.rain.com
>C_________   Industrial Graphics


On what ballot in what election did this appear?  I have voted in every
King County election for the last <mumble> years and my right to
exercise my vote on this matter was *SO* cleverly hidden that I missed
it.  Can somebody tell me when I should have been more attentive so I
could cast my vote on this?

What?  You mean a bunch of self-righteous pinch-mouthed bureaucrats
imposed this without putting it to a vote?  Somebody get a rope!  Or at
least a bucket of tar and some feathers!

What does government do for you?  Whatever it can get away with!

What we really need are laws with which it is possible make it
personally VERY expensive for the assholes who enact such crap.
Entangling them in legal proceedings only enables them now to tap the
bottomless pit of taxpayer funds to defend themselves.  I mean make it
*PERSONALLY* very expensive for them.  Maybe put a substantial amount
of grief into their lives.  This might make them less willing to impose
it on others.

harryb@phred

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From: dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Freedom, Social Responsibility, Individual Responsibility
Date: 24 Dec 92 17:21:05 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: I don't speak for them anyway.

In article <1992Dec23.193515.27329@ssc.com> markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier) writes:
:
:And what type of bicycle riding.  I have a hard time believing
:my taking a slow glide through the park on a sunny day should put
:me in the same category as some adrenaline junky who gets dressed
:up like some alien from another planet and goes out and plays in
:traffic, or some little toad training to be the BMX champion of the
:universe.

You know, Mark, I think I remember that you are a cyclist.  I wonder
at the tone of yoru article.  By referring to "them" as adreneline
junkies and toads, do you not set up an "us" and "them" situation?
I don't think you mean anything insulting but remember that you
could be on the bottom end of a "looking down" for just being 
a sunday Cruiser who is in the way of that adreneline junkie
one Sunday afternoon.  

I'm not flaming you -- just pointing out that it does go both ways.
Sure, you may not be into BMX (and therefore are not a toad) or
into road racing (and are not an adreneline junkie who dresses 
up like you are from another planet), but keep in mind that it is 
all relative.  There will always be those farther out there than
you just as you are farther out there than someone you would consider
a rank beginner who wobbles all over the trail in front of you, interfering
with your sunday ride.

You don't usually talk about others that way (at least in my recollection)
and I just wondered why it was necessary to define others as you did.


:But I'm up for the same degree of police harrasment.

On that I agree with you 100%.  But what supposes the others are more 
deserving of police harassment?  I'm not trying to read into your post,
but it sure reads that way.

That's the point.

     Donn Pedro ....................................dfpedro@uswnvg.com

		     There are no ordinary moments.


Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman)
Subject: Re: Who is Roy Ottis??
Organization: Tacoma Screw Products, Inc.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:22:21 GMT

In article <BzL0CL.Itv@wimsey.bc.ca> chrisp@wimsey.bc.ca (Chris Phillips) writes:
>Does anyone know who Roy Ottis (KXRX) is? A friend of mine thinks it's
>John Manard(sp?) but I don't think so. They talk at the same time sometimes.
>

I don't know who does the voice, but just because they talk at the
same time doesn't mean much.  KXRX has a pretty sophisticated production
room with multitrack machines, etc., and I'm sure they're not adverse
to pre-producing material to insert into a "live" show.  After all,
Dave Seville and Alvin talk at the same time, don't they?

-- 
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From: hcorbin@uswnvg.com (Harold Corbin)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Date: 30 Dec 92 01:04:46 GMT
Organization: U S WEST NewVector Group, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Why is it that people are always giving me dirty looks when they pass me on the 
highway and I'm driving 60 in a 55 MPH zone?  I get irritated and angry EVERY   TIME some jerk tailgates me and flashes his/her brights fo rme to move over justbecause I don't have a TOTAL DISRESPECT for the LAW and I don't want to drive
75 just to get the hell out of their way!

The scariest thing is.... NOBODY cares!  Sure, it's a piddly thing.... who caresabout the speed limit, there are more important things to focus energy on.
Nobody thinks it's dangerous to drive 70 in a 55, so why shouldn't we???

Question:  Are we ALL experts in determining the safe speed limitations requiredon the roads we drive?  Does passing the Drivers Ed class and getting a license
guarantee instant expertise on road conditions and speed/velocity/gravity 
equations?  I think NOT!  The speed limits are LIMITS for a reason!

Does everyone think that the DOT knows nothing and that the drivers on the raod
should be able to drive as fast as THEY want to?  Sometimes I think that the
grandpa in front of me driving his FORD Fairlane and myself are the only ones
on the road with any respect for the law and the police that enforce such limitson society.

Maybe the speeders of the world all think it's OK to help themselves to a few 
free penny candies at 7-Eleven whenver they want?  After all, what's the BIG
DEAL???  Unless you get caught, nobody really cares.  

What does this trend towards disrespect mean for the future?  If we don't obey 
the law, what will our children think?  Are the rules really rules, or are they
subject to your own discretion?  What kind of message is this to the future
youth of America?

The fabric of our society is dwindling.  It is commonly accepted to break the
law.  What's next?

Let me guess....... about 20 responses to this posting all flaming me for being
a tightwad.  "Loosen up, there are more important things to worry about."

I'm probably the BAD GUY, since I still remember how to follow the rules.  Well
EXCUSE ME for respecting the speed limit, and FLAME AWAY!  I'm waiting....
From: saddler@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Ray, just Ray)
Subject: Re: Who is Roy Ottis??
Keywords: Yes, yes
Organization: Boeing Computer Services Home For Wayward Hackers
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 09:55:06 GMT

sml@plato.ds.boeing.com (Stuart Lewis) suggests:
<chrisp@wimsey.bc.ca (Chris Phillips) asks:
<<Does anyone know who Roy Ottis (KXRX) is? 
<
<Yes, it's John Maynard.
<
<If you really pay attention, sometimes you can tell when he (Maynard)
<is doing the voice live, on the fly, and you can "hear" more of the Maynard
<inflection.

Such as, the "Yes, yes" similarity?  (Robin uses that phrasure, too, btw)

I just love it when Roy and Robin get to haggeling, and Robin [attempts to]
copy-cat and make fun of the voice characature :^)

Now that we [seem to] have this solved, who does the voices for Beave?

I don't care what "the other" radio station has to say about chatter, The X
is the absolute best in Rock Entertainment, in my humble book.  

As always, your mileage will most definately vary.

Anywone been to the X store?  How *IS* the coffee?

-- 
Ray E. Saddler III             ___ ___ ___ ___     ___  "they say Confucius
P.O. Box 24346 M/S 2L-21      /__//  //__  /  /\ //  _   does his crossword
Seattle, WA  98124-0346 USA  /__//__//__ _/_ /  //__/    with a pen"   Tori
saddler@bcstec.ca.boeing.com    Computer Services       "Hello Earth!" KaTe
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier)
Subject: Re: Video Only ad
Organization: SSC, Inc.,  Seattle, WA
Distribution: seattle
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:42:49 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Michael Cummings (cummings@stein.u.washington.edu) wrote:
: 	There's an ad for "Video Only" on TV where they solicit
: testimonials from a bunch of Plain Folks about how cheap everything is
: there.  One guy make the comment (not quite verbatim), "I checked around,
: and everything here is about 12% less.  But that 12% is like 50% to me."
: 
: 	HUH?!?!
: 
: 	Anyone have any idea what this could possibly mean?

Weren't some Video Only customers screwed over because the camcoders
they bought there were grey market and Sony refused to honor the
warantee?  Or was that some other discounter?

Mark Zenier  markz@ssc.wa.com
From: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Video Only ad
Keywords: stupid
Date: 26 Dec 92 18:46:51 GMT
Reply-To: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Zortech, Seattle

In article <1992Dec22.211412.5522@u.washington.edu> cummings@stein.u.washington.edu (Michael Cummings) writes:
/There's an ad for "Video Only" on TV where they solicit
/testimonials from a bunch of Plain Folks about how cheap everything is
/there.  One guy make the comment (not quite verbatim), "I checked around,
/and everything here is about 12% less.  But that 12% is like 50% to me."
/	Anyone have any idea what this could possibly mean?

Suppose the guy makes $100/yr. Assume that $90 goes for essentials like
food, rent and taxes. That leaves $10 for discretionary spending. If he
saves 12% on everything, that leaves $20 for discretionary spending, so
it is like his income 'doubles'.
From: hen6940@bcsaic.boeing.com (Howard Nebeck)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: public access to Internet
Keywords: internet
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:43:05 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

Hello,
   I'm interested in hearing from organizations which offer public
access to the internet.  Information on services offered, procedures,
rates, etc. would be appreciated.
                                             Thanks,
                                             Howard Nebeck
From: kylee@eskimo.com (K.Y. Lee)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Educational Game software
Date: 21 Dec 92 10:31:48 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<

I need your advise on this late Xmas shopping.   I would like to buy a
game program that is educational.  Someone suggested Carmen Sandiago, but
then another said this may be too advanced for a 10 year old girl.  Who;s
right? 

Any suggestion would be appreciated.  If Carmen Sandiago (I am thinking
about history or geography here), any other alternative?  I know little
about games.

Thanks in advance.

Kyu.

kylee@eskimo.com
From: raoul@fangio.wa.com (Jeffrey E. Benedict)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Ling Ling
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 12:51:46 PST
Organization: J. Benedict Computing
Reply-To: raoul@fangio.wa.com (Jeffrey E. Benedict)
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In article <3045@uswnvg.uswnvg.com> (seattle.general), jstaffe@uswnvg.com (Jarrod Staffen) writes:
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Since you brought it up:

This is a sad occasion.  I've always liked panda bears even though
I'm not much for zoos and things.

Talk about a couple with sexual problems! Ling Ling had the dammedest
time getting her old man interested in doing the "Wild Thing" and
when they did, the cub (I guess!) would die before it was born.

Does anyone know about the mating habits of the panda in the wild?
(Must be the same since there are only about 1000 in the wild) NPR
had an interview with one of the biologists at the DC Zoo who was
discussing the mating habits of the panda.  He said that they are
not the "mate for life" type and they really didn't form what we humans
would call a "marriage bond". Comments, oh, biologists??

A day or so after the death of Ling Ling, another report said that
scientists were going to try to save some eggs from her ovaries by
freezing them with liquid nitrogen and thawing them out later when
a suitable sperm source was found.  After that, they would be implanted
in a female panda's womb. (Obviously, not in a *male's* womb! :))
I don't know if I like this... If panda's are supposed to die out
because their mating patterns is somehow screwed up, I say 'let it
be' (Sorry, John and Paul!) If humans are the major contributions,
I can see it....

Anyone want to stretch a metaphor and talk about China/US relations?
After all, Tricky Dicky was given the pair of pandas in 1972 when
he went to China.  We have trade with China after all these years,
but it seems to just be trinkets made by slave labor.  

What soc.* or sci.* group would this sort of thing be discussed?

Take care and have a happy new year-

Jeff
 

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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan )
Subject: Re: Does anyone read Seattle PI today?
Organization: UW Computing
Distribution: seattle
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:50:59 GMT

In article <4135@phred.UUCP> harryb@phred.UUCP writes:
>
>
>Adam, I understand your outrage.  But stop and think:  The US "media"
>conceived of, worked hard for, and brought you, live into your very
>living room, TA-DAH:  *The LA RIOTS*.  They orchestrated it, they
>called for it, and they presided over the destruction.  Do you
>seriously think they really give a damn about accuracy?  THEY DON'T
>HAVE TO.  "Wow, $750 million damage and over 50 killed!  Why, there's
>no LIMIT to our power!"
>
>The "dethroning" of President Nixon in 1974 made them aware of the
[snip,snip]
>Travesty of November 3rd, the consequences of which are still to come.
>The drum beat to eliminate private ownership of firearms is increasing
>to a crescendo and will continue to increase in volume until they
[snip,snip]
>
>***GUN CONTROL == PEOPLE CONTROL***
>
[snip,snip]
>AND THEY, THE MEDIA, ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO NO ONE.  THERE IS NOTHING IN
>OUR SYSTEM OF CHECKS AND BALANCES TO CHECK OR BALANCE THEM.
>
>This example you gave is but one example which appears to you
>egregious.  Trust NONE of the information fed to you by the media.  And
[snip,snip]
>
>IMHO, every act, EVERY ACT, of the US media is skewed (and has been,
[snip,snip]
>used-to-be Socialist World is collapsing economically and admitting
>that the principles of collectivism are incompatible with human rights
>and human government, and the US Liberal Left, using its mouthpiece,
>The Media, is trying to segue into it right here and now, and world
>wide, if they can get away with it.  Sigh.
>
>And US citizens, an "intelligentsia"?  You're joking. Right?  RIGHT?
>You mean that THIS is what Thomas Jefferson had in mind when he spoke
>of an "educated electorate"? :-)


Oh, my.  I was not aware that Lyndon LaRouche had access to the Internet

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