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From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Calling Dr. Nordstrom ...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions
Date: 28 Aug 1992 19:08:24 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: thedarktower.corp.sun.com
Keywords: underdog


	underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
	> Ms. Nordstrom, it was meant to be a figurative verbal 
	> demonstration of my feelings toward Chinese society.  In 
	> other words, I don't like it.
	> (You're a live one, aren't you?)

Dwight,

It was sarcasm. Learn it. Know it. Live it.

	Melinda
From: mwy10@cd.amdahl.com (Mathew W. Yee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: AA milk commercial ---- a white man's disease?
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:19:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug25.170900.3851@island.COM>, fester@island.COM (Mike
Fester) writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.155519.21823@bnlux1.bnl.gov> kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov
>(kenton yee) writes:
>>As a matter of fact, it's a medical fact that adult asians loose
>>their ability to digest milk as they grow older, much more than
>>whites do.  (This probably stems from less milk-drinking in asian
>>cultures.)  Given that milk is not really as good for us as
>
>This is NOT a medical fact. It IS a fact that if you cut down on your
>dairy
>product consumption, you cut down on the production of the enzymes
>necessary
>to digest them. This is NOT, so far as anyone has been able to
>determine, 
>in any way related to race (unlike, say, alcohol dehydrogenase
>levels).
>
Hmmmmm!  You seem to be saying that all one has to do in order to not
become
lactose intolerant is to keep consuming food with lactose at some normal
rate.
While it is true that cutting down on the consumption of dairy foods, or
any
food for that matter, over a sufficient amount of time will cause a
decrease
in the production of the needed enzymes, it is genetically related.  I
have
read a book on the subject, and I can get teh references if you really
want
them.  The simple fact is that those of Asian decent have a greater
tendancy to
be lactose intolerant due to the above stated reason that the Asian
cultures
(meaning the Chinese and Japanese for the sake of this argument) do not
have
a great deal of dairy products in the diet once the child has been
weaned (sp?).

As an example, I used to drink a huge glass (24 ounces) when I got home from 
school during my elemtary school days.  As I grew older, I started to have
problems ingesting the milk.  Now, I have to use lactase pills or drink 
specially treated milk (meaning that I can't spell the name of the bacteria :)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Grad School Applications Re: Racial Discri
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:51:15 GMT

In article 7862@public.BTR.COM, timlee@public.btr.com () writes:
>|wung@eecom.gatech.edu writes:
>||Experience 2
>||
>||I was applying to graduate schools and I wrote letters to all the schools I was considering to ask for information.  In this letter I told them the following:
>||I went to a public high school in the US, I attended a prestigious american public 
>||university for all four years of my undergraduate education, and my status as
>||a naturalized US citizen.  None of that seemed to have mattered much since most 
>||university took one look at my last name and sent me TOEFL informations and applications for foreign students.  It was not until after I had spoken to 
>||the people in charge of admissions with my midwestern twang that I was able 
>||to get the proper information I needed.
>|
>|Hmmm, could you elaborate more?  My vague memory of grad school
>|applications recalls that they often appeared to send the same packet
>|to everyone, domestic or foreign ("if you are a foreign student,
>|please include this extra form and sent TOEFL scores...").
>|
>|--------------------------------------------------------------------
>|Timothy J. Lee                 timlee@btr.com  ...!decwrl!btr!timlee
>|This message comes with no warranty, not even an implied warranty of
>|fitness for any particular purpose.


Many did just that, but some sent me the package intended for people who are 
applying from offshore colleges.  Such things as a list of american habits, 
TOEFL application forms, I-20 application forms etc.  NO applications to the
school because I had to have my TOEFL score sent in first before I can
apply for admissions.
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From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Degrees of racism (was Re: Whites don't understand)
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 18:49:39 GMT

In article <23594@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj, clueless old white boy) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.030738.29613@panix.com> sieh@panix.com (Twinkie Chinkie) writes:
>>anything, it shows that racism affects a
>>lot of people and regardless of color and ethnicity.  Furthermore, those who
>>have been affected will want to see that it doesn't happen to them again and
>>work to change it.  And, it's better to talk to thse people than to people
>>who don't care because they haven't experienced racism before and who are
>>probably more resistant to change.
>
>And this is my point about separatism.  If you choose to be separatist,
>and adopt a jingoistic "whites are evil" cant like Dodwy (like it or
>not, that's what he's saying he's decided), you will alienate these people
>and get neither their help nor the value of their experiences.

  I don't believe Mr. Jackson is advocating separatism.  I don't believe
  being proud of oneself and demanding respect for one's people is being
  separatist.  You can treat everyone with respect and respect yourself
  without being separatist.  I never read Mr. Jackson saying that all
  whites are evil, where?   He's just saying that one should be proud
  of oneself instead of trying to be what you're not.

  If I respect you and at the same time respect myself, then I see
  a greater foundation for friendship than if I worship you and hate
  myself (and vice versa).  Mutual respect is all we're asking for.
  Why should I give up everything I am to conform to you when you
  won't meet me half-way?  I say respect the differences and agree
  to work together.
>
>In addition, you will have a very hard time convincing them that you
>aren't what they hate, i.e. racists.  The answer that Sze and Jackson
>provide is "we don't care, it doesn't matter".  I suggest that
>history, eastern, western, and african, suggests that "we don't care"
>is the fastest way to a war outside of religion.

  You seem to equate pride and self-respect with separatism.
  Like Mr. Jackson said, If Whites are proud of what they are,
  why can't we be proud of ourselves too.  Why not?
From: timlee@public.btr.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: GOP Adopts Buchanan's Wall Against Illegal Immigration
Date: 24 Aug 92 02:47:09 GMT
Reply-To: timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american

kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu (Michael F. Kamprath) writes:
|In article <9208210412.AA01166@public.BTR.COM> , timlee@btr.com writes:
|>What's wrong with that side effect of legalizing currently illegal
|>immigration?  Shouldn't every worker have safe working conditions, etc.?
|> 
|
|Nothing is wrong with the side effect of making the work place safe/fair
|for all employees.  But when this nation can't employ all of its own, why
|must the government make it easier to employ aliens, let alone illegal
|aliens?

Contrary to the fears of labor unions and others, immigrants generally
do not affect native employment rates, even within the same general
skill levels.  They often take jobs the natives don't want, and their
actions as consumers create additional jobs.

|        The government should crack down hard on these employers who are
|creating the demand for illegal alien "slave labor."  It is not the illegal
|aliens fault (must add this for people who assume I am victim blaming) for
|crossing the border, because they are doing what any human being would do
|when face with their options (illegal employment in the US is better than 
|no or bad employment).  If the government cracks down on the employers, 
|the demand for illegal employees will drop, and so will the flow of illegal
|aliens.  

Instead, how about:  (1) legalizing immigration, and (2) simplifying
employers' bureaucratic tasks.  The complexity of employer's bureaucratic
tasks is certainly a deterrent to employing people "by the book" --
how many people file W-2s, withhold income taxes, and file (mountains
of) other IRS (and state) reports every time they hire someone to mow
the lawn, paint the house, or babysit?  Doing (2) would increase the
incentive for small businesses to hire people without having to
go through a good deal of accounting and bureaucratic expense.  This
would increase (legal) employment opportunities for everyone.

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From: hirota@sluggo.sdsc.edu (Bryan Hirota)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Tahitian CrabMeat Soup
Date: 30 Aug 1992 20:20:29 GMT
Organization: San Diego Supercomputer Center
NNTP-Posting-Host: sluggo.sdsc.edu

Greetings y'all.

Even malcontents have to eat.  So take a break from the normal
screaming and intolerance of this group - make yourself some of
the following,  watch some MTV and relax.

The following recipe has been lifted from Sam Choy's Cuisine Hawaii,
featuring the premier chefs of the aloha state.

(PLEASANT HAWAII, INC.  Ed and Lynn Hogan Publishers)

Side Note:  If you look on the inner cover and check who handled
the production,  it was Tracy Hirota. (my cousin)  I just had to
point that out, sorry.

This stuff is good,  I beg of you,  I implore you,  please try it.
(just made some last night,  I still have that euphoric feeling)

Bryan Hirota 	-	hirota@sdsc.edu	-	bhirota@ucsd.edu
=====

TAHITIAN CRABMEAT SOUP

Ingredients:
-------------------------
2 	cups diced onion
1/4 	cup butter
2	tablespoons flour
2 	cups heavy cream
1 1/2 	cups chicken stock
2	cups coconut milk
2 	cups frozen copped spinach, thawed, or 3 cups chopped fresh spinach,
	washed and stemmed
1 1/2	cups crabmeat

salt and white pepper to taste


Directions:
-------------------------
In a large saucepan saute onion in butter until translucent.  Stir in
flour; blend well.  Add heavy cream and chicken stock; simmer for 5 minutes
stirring frequently.  Stir in coconut milk, spimach and crabmeat.
Cook for 3 minutes, stirring frequently.  Season to taste with salt
and white pepper.
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions
Date: 30 Aug 92 18:37:29 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Aug29.011749.28005@news.acns.nwu.edu> dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) writes:
>To assimilate is WRONG. To assimilate means that you will TRY to become 
>one of them but this is something you will NEVER achieve. 

But I'm not advocating assimilation.  What I've basically done is to
hand people that I know an ultimatum saying "I'm Chinese, if that
bothers that's your problem."

>To want to become "white" isn't the way to go.

I think that the whole point of my posting is to point out that
"become white" isn't a precondition from "joining them."  Most people
I know in the establishment, frankly don't care what color you are.
(It may be because I stay in academic circles a lot.  After all,
"white Americans" are a minority among graduate students in the
department here.)

>Why can't you be proud of who you are instead of trying to become the "them"
>that you speak of.

My point is that the question you just raised contains a false dichotomy.




Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: maridai@ecs.comm.mot.com (Marida Ignacio)
Subject: RE: Perceptions...
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:50:34 GMT



|In article 10586, maridai@ecs.comm.mot.com (Marida Ignacio) writes:
||  In article 10681, maridai@ecs.comm.mot.com (Marida Ignacio) writes:
||  <stuffy stuff deleted>
|                         
                                    
Perceptions 3                                       
    NO honorable mentions on peoples' comments if they are without 
    *genuine first-hand experience* on the things that they are 
    commenting about or arguing about.

Reality 3
    Do I have to be a prostitute to justify that this livelihood 
     has fed mouths, children, to live a life?  I can NOT be 
     judgemental to the prostitute or pimp?
    Do I have to try drugs (crap) to justify it does more harm than good?
    Do I have to have AIDS to know how it feels to be with it?
    Do I have ...
    ...
    Wasn't there science before the term 'science' became a word?

Perceptions 4
    Racism is rife only in America.

Reality 4
    Wherever there is richness, hunger, oppression, a civilized
      jungle exists wherein there is the primitive instinct of
      "survival of the fittest".  Not that the fittest are
      necessary the greatest; it is just that they are the
      majority.



Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:8815 soc.culture.african.american:9196 ca.politics:7441
From: wayne@ultra.com (Wayne Hathaway)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Asian Cop Murders White Woman in Asian Chancellor's Home
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:49:20 GMT
Reply-To: wayne@ultra.com (Wayne Hathaway)
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies

In discussing Peoples' Park, kawakami@ocf.berkeley.edu (John Kawakami)
says:

 > The homeless would, for the most part, like to see the government
 > do something about the problem of homelessness and get themselves a
 > home.

I've never seen a more succinct statement of "what's wrong with the
country today" than this.

    Wayne Hathaway               domain: wayne@Ultra.COM
    Ultra Network Technologies     uucp: ...!ames!ultra!wayne
    101 Daggett Drive             phone: 408-922-0100 x132
    San Jose, CA 95134              FAX: 408-433-9287
From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Calling Dr. Nordstrom ...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:14:33 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: thedarktower.corp.sun.com


	underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) :
	> Afterwards, depending on how cold my room is, I'll grab one or two
	> flags of China and ignite them to help start a fire in my fire place.

But but but why do you **have** Chinese flags in the first
place, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?????

	Melinda
From: sieh@panix.com (Twinkie Chinkie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:48:38 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <26AUG199210144312@vxcrna.cern.ch> ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch 
(IKEDA,M./EP) writes:
>I don't think that only non-Asian Americans were against what Judy said.
>In fact, I myself believe that Judy and Hoyt Sze's philosophy is absolutely
>nutty.  IMHO, of course.  Why was I silent?  Because there were already
>some competent posts that flamed them already.  And I bet there are a lot
>more like me.  Also please note that there were a lot Asian American posters
>who disagreed with this nutty philosophy previous to the infamous 'Oriental
>sycophant' post.  You are not alone.

Of course, I know that.  My basic point in that paragraph is everyone should
speak up when the opportunity presents themselves.  Yes, that's not always
possible but my feeling generally is that the effort is not made.  To
paraphrase a famous DWM (Dead White Male), Edmund Burke:
"For Evil to triumph, all it takes is for good men to do nothing."

//Twinkie Chinkie



-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: AA milk commercial ---- a white man's disease?
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:03:01 GMT

In article <593f02rR1f6T01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> mwy10@cd.amdahl.com (Mathew W. Yee) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.170900.3851@island.COM>, fester@island.COM (Mike
>Fester) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug24.155519.21823@bnlux1.bnl.gov> kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov
>>(kenton yee) writes:
>>>As a matter of fact, it's a medical fact that adult asians loose
>>>their ability to digest milk as they grow older, much more than
>>>whites do.  (This probably stems from less milk-drinking in asian
>>>cultures.)  Given that milk is not really as good for us as
>>
>>This is NOT a medical fact. It IS a fact that if you cut down on your
>>dairy
>>product consumption, you cut down on the production of the enzymes
>>necessary
>>to digest them. This is NOT, so far as anyone has been able to
>>determine, 
>>in any way related to race (unlike, say, alcohol dehydrogenase
>>levels).

>Hmmmmm!  You seem to be saying that all one has to do in order to not
>become
>lactose intolerant is to keep consuming food with lactose at some normal
>rate.

No. I did state that if you cut down on your consumption of dairy products,
your lactose intolerance increases.

>While it is true that cutting down on the consumption of dairy foods, or
>any
>food for that matter, over a sufficient amount of time will cause a
>decrease
>in the production of the needed enzymes, it is genetically related.  I
>have
>read a book on the subject, and I can get teh references if you really
>want

Genetically related is not the same thing as racially related.

>them.  The simple fact is that those of Asian decent have a greater
>tendancy to
>be lactose intolerant due to the above stated reason that the Asian
			^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>cultures
>(meaning the Chinese and Japanese for the sake of this argument) do not
								  ^^^^^^
>have
>a great deal of dairy products in the diet once the child has been
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>weaned (sp?).

Actually, it looks like we mostly agree. However, as I stated before, this is 
not true in Japan any longer. Dairy product consumption has risen almost 
every year since about 1950. I imagine (though I don't know for certain) that
the same is true in Korea recently. Does anyone know anything about that?

>As an example, I used to drink a huge glass (24 ounces) when I got home from 
>school during my elemtary school days.  As I grew older, I started to have
>problems ingesting the milk.  Now, I have to use lactase pills or drink 
>specially treated milk (meaning that I can't spell the name of the bacteria :)

Lactobacillus. My aunt has the same problem. I think the milk is called 
"Sweet Acidophillus". 

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do.
From: jj@alice.att.com (jj,  curmudgeon and clueless old white boy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:53:17 GMT
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj,  curmudgeon and clueless old white boy)
Distribution: soc
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <SHAW.92Aug31180212@whopper.lcs.mit.edu> shaw@whopper.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.034838.817@panix.com> sieh@panix.com (Twinkie Chinkie) writes:
>   Of course, I know that.  My basic point in that paragraph is everyone should

>Except that YOU don't speak up when the victim is Asian and the perpetrator
>is white.  You just pussy-foot around and pretend nothing happened, but
>when _you_ get attacked by someone Asian, you expect some great outpouring
>of sympathy and reprimands on the character of the attacker.
That's a very strong statement, Andy.

So tell me, how do you know that?  Nothing he's said would leave me
to believe that it's true, and I haven't seen him advocate taking
gratuitious abuse at all.  All I've seen him do is advocate NOT
giving OUT gratuitious abuse. There's a difference, even though
a lot of people don't seem to see it.

This seems a lot like Clare's discussion with the world to me.
The world says "x", and Clare argues against "y" because that's
what she KNOWS the world really means.  I say to both of you,
until you get get what your "opponent" says straight, hold
off arguing with it.  

You might suddenly realize that your "opponent" is really
your friend, and the fellow yelling "hate, organize, be
separatist, discriminate, two wrongs make a right" just
MIGHT be your worst enemy, even if he or she didn't intend
to be.
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