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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Genesis
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:14:10 GMT

sussman@linus.mitre.org (Stephen H. Sussman) writes:

: What do you Genesis fans other there think was the album where Steve
: Hackett was at his best.  

Seconds out & Live -- they're all better live, and Steve is no exception.
His Firth of Fifth really excells.

Scott
From: v134pfzd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (NADIR)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Name That Tune
Keywords: Can anyone help me out on this?
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:13:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <31JUL199211225544@sigma.tamu.edu>, krm3611@sigma.tamu.edu (Ken McWatters) writes...
> 
>   Hey, I hope that this request is not too passe for this group, who 
>collectively seem to possess so much knowledge of progressive rock, but here's
>the thing.  About three years ago, I heard, 2 or 3 times, a song on an AOR 
>station that's definitely progressive rock.  It sounds cool, and so I've tried
>to find out the artist/title with no luck since then.  I can't identify the 
>lead singer, but someone that sounds like Phil Collins sings backup vocals in 
>the chorus.   Here's some of the lyrics (as I best recollect):
> 
>	Stand up on your feet;  your life is cold as hell
>	You could be dead tomorrow;  this could be
>		<chorus>
>	Your last chance to believe in yourself
>	Your last chance 
>	Your last chance to be good to yourself
>	Your last chance to drink from life's well
>	Drink from the well... oh yeah
> 
>If you can name that tune, you can win...  well, my appreciation, anyway.
> 
>Thanks,
> 
>Ken

The band is Shooting Star, but I don't know any more than that

I used to think it was Kansas, until I heard a dj say otherwise.

dan(n)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: orpheus@leland.Stanford.EDU (Owen Duncan Smith)
Subject: "Dinosaurs/Elephants" (was Re: Dead Can Dance)
Keywords: Progressive
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 21:56:14 GMT

In article <13821@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.044008.6260@leland.Stanford.EDU> orpheus@leland.Stanford.EDU (Owen Duncan Smith) writes:
>|But I disagree completely with those that say we should only discuss the more
>|"esoteric," "modern," or whatever bands, instead of ELP, Yes, Marillion,
>|Genesis, etc.  C'mon, they're classics!  And I'm still relatively new at
>|this progressive stuff.
>
>Since I've made a similar suggestion I thought I'd better clear up my postition.
>Yes, ELP, Genesis, and Marillion are indeed amoung the classics of the genre.
>I am certainly not advocating that they should not be discussed here.  They
>certainly belong on a Essential Progressive Rock Albums list.  I think we've 
>seen that there are quite a few people that are very familiar with these bands
>and could discuss them at length.  *ADDITIONALLY*, I think that there are
>many other progressive rock bands that could/should be discussed.  Perhaps
>not in the level of detail that the classics are discussed.  I think that
>many of us a progressive rock fans because we have a propensity to not listen
>to the SOS and will actively search out new bands in the genre.  Maybe that
>isn't true for everyone but, if true, I would think that this group would
>have much more diversity in the music we discuss (within the genre) than
>other groups which have focused on a genre.

Well . . . I certainly consider this a pretty diverse group. :)  I'm just
against discussing some things *at the expense of* more familiar things . . .
or vice versa . . . so I hope I didn't offend you.

Back to general stuff:  Have there ever been any "progressive" rock
compilations, or samplers?  Somehow I doubt this has ever happened, not
just because of the legal nightmare that would probably kick up, but that
the good songs usually clock in at over 10 minutes . . . :)  Even so,
I'd be interested in getting one . . . especially one with more modern
or lesser-known bands . . . An even niftier thought:  anything ever made
on the lines of the recent Alternative Tentacles compilation, where a bunch
of different "alternative" bands took Dead Kennedys songs and rearranged and
performed them?  If you took a bunch of songs and ran them through a bunch
of *progressive* bands, imagine what would happen . . .

A final thought:  I hear of Goldmine mentioned a lot around here, but I can't
readily get at anyplace that carries it (I'm writing this from home, not
Palo Alto . . .) Is there a list of good prog rock distributors floating
around on the net?  That would be a valuable aid for people like me who
want some good stuff but only have Sam Goody music stores in the area. :)
(no offense to Sam Goody of course :)

	-- orpheus
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From: jks4675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Flying pianos/Drum clinic ELP
Reply-To: jks4675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:29:51 GMT

The ELP video mentioned in the Dark Moon CD liner notes is supposed to
be released in September. No word on the Flying Piano or anything like
that. ELP was recently on the ABC series "In Concert" and it showed them
for quite a bit of the show, about 50% of the hour.

Having asked Carl Palmer (I saw him at a drum clinic) when "Welcome Back"
would make it onto CD...he just laughed and asked for the next question.
I guess the fact that Manticore records owns the set might have something
to do with it. Maybe it'll come out after the videotape or something.

As for the ego business....nothing to say about Carl Palmer???????
When somebody asked him what he thought about Neil Peart (RUSH)
he struck a gong. So much for modesty.
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From: rafem@gvlf7-e.gvl.unisys.com (Ralph Marrone)
Subject: Re: e: What are best albums of Genesis?
Organization: Unisys Defense Systems, Great Valley Labs, Paoli, Pa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:32:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.205000.18065@linus.mitre.org> rseguine@buckeye.mitre.org (Roy SeGuine) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.111108.14479@gvl.unisys.com>  
>rafem@gvlf7-e.gvl.unisys.com (Ralph Marrone) writes:
>> In article <1992Jul17.190950.5143@linus.mitre.org>  
>rseguine@buckeye.mitre.org (Roy SeGuine) writes:
>> >In article <1992Jul17.115025.4092@gvl.unisys.com>  
>> >rafem@gvlf7-e.gvl.unisys.com (Ralph Marrone) writes:
>> >> In article <elambert.711317846@qualcom> elambert@qualcom.qualcomm.com  
>> >(Eber Lambert) writes:
>> >> >Best Genesis: Selling England,Lamb...,Nursery Cryme, Trick,  
>Trespass...
>> >> >              Foxtrot.
>> >> >
>> >> >	      Everything else is average(wind, Live, And then)
>> >> >	      or garbage ( => Duke)
>> >> >
>> >> >But me... I'm just a lawn mower
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> 
>> >> I can tell by the way you walk.
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >
>> >It must be a draw...  there's no one left alive.
>> 
>> 
>> So the Blackcap Barons toss a coin to settle the score.
>
>The Pied Piper takes his children underground


Dragons...crawling...out of the sea
From: slrz2@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:35:46 MDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Jul28.074043.18030@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, c60a-zg@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Martin Guerrero-LabA) writes:
> Say, has anyone heard of this group?

Most definately.  They've been around for a number of years.  About 1985 or
so, I picked up an Indie compilation (had it stolen a year later) that had
some of the old Dead Can Dance.  They had a lot of the same sound that
Wolfgang Press and other bands were producing at the time.  If you've ever
picked up and listened to This Mortal Coil or Cocteau Twins, that's where
they would be categorized, at least the early stuff...I didn't like their new
release I saw on MTV's 120 minutes, though....
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From: cctr120@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Brendon Wyber, C.S.C.)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: the worst genesis song
Date: 30 Jul 92 10:05:05 +1200
Followup-To: alt.rock-n-roll
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <4135@news.duke.edu>, cto@acpub.duke.edu (Ralph Geiger) writes:
> A question for all Genesis fans:
> What is their worst song?
> Leaving aside their first and last albums, I say it's a two-way tie:
>    "White Mountain" and 
>    "The Ballad of Big".

Nah, 
       Throwing it all away,
             (Inivisible Touch Album)

Be seeing you,

Brendon Wyber                     Computer Services Centre,
b.wyber@csc.canterbury.ac.nz      University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

"Ph-nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn."

PS: My favourites are Musical Box, The Cinema Show, and In the Cage. 
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From: marshall@fs03.webo.dg.com (Marshall Wood)
Subject: John Wetton and Asia
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 12:59:36 GMT
Organization: Data General Corp., Westboro, MA


Does anyone know what happened to John Wetton?

He was still in Asia as of the end of 1990, but he is
nowhere to be found on their latest release, _Aqua_.
Why did he leave and what's he up to now?  (Hopefully
not more dreck like _Wetton/Manzanera_!)

The way people come and go from this band, I wouldn't
be surprised to see him show up on the next album, though.

Can anyone provide a tracklist for their rare b-sides
compilation, _Aura_ ?

				--MWood

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From: reaume@bmerh962.bnr.ca (Andy Reaume)
Subject: Roger Dean Artwork
Keywords: Roger Dean Artwork
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario Canada
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 15:34:57 GMT

Does anyone in prog land know if any of Roger Dean's artwork is still
available in poster form. I had a dozen or so I bought 10 years ago
at a poster shop on Bank St. in Ottawa. They were recently damaged
and the store no longer carries them. I can't find anywhere in Ottawa
or Toronto that carries any of his work. Please reply via 
alt.music.progressive. 

- Andy     ``Progressive Rock is the Thinking Man's Rock''
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From: SESPC384@ysub.ysu.edu (JIM BABCOCK)
Subject: Re: e: Whatever Happened to Roger Waters & David Gilmour
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:29:48 GMT

 Waters has a new album out with Jeff Beck on guitar.  I don't know the
release date, it was getting some pre-release air play on some of the NE Ohio
radio stations but they got cease and desist orders before I could hear it.
I've also heard (and cannot confirm) that radio KAOS II and a couple of other
finished albums were shelved by Waters because he couldn't get control of the
final sound.  Apparently he didn't want Radio Kaos I to have a Floyd sound
but didn't have the legal power to stop the record co. from changing it.
  As for Gilmore, Apparently hes been classic car racing with Nick Mason
They released a video of their Pan-American race effort which includes several
new Pink Floyd songs.  I haven't found it yet so I can't vouch for their
quality.  I haven't heard any plans for a new album yet, so let me know if you
do.
 
                                 Jimbus
 
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 10:30:13 -0400 
From: Thomas.Sullivan@cs.cmu.edu
Subject: Re: Whatever Happened to Roger Waters & David Gilmour
	<1992Jul27.193944.10231@bnlux1.bnl.gov>

> Excerpts from netnews.alt.music.progressive: 27-Jul-92 Re: Whatever
> Happened to Ro.. gary l. schroeder@bnlux1 (1130)

>   However, Waters is supposed to be releasing a new album
> called "Amused to Death" (catchy title) sometime this summer/early fall.
> --------------
> Gary Schroeder		
> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov 
> Brookhaven National Laboratory     "Home of the Big BNL Burger."	

I heard the new single from Roger Waters' upcoming release a week
or so ago.  I forget the name, but it features Jeff Beck on guitar.  I
don't
know if Jeff will be touring with him or not.  It was ok, not great (in
my 
opinion).  Jeff's chunky-rhythmic playing that he's been into since
Jeff's
Guitar Shop was really noticeable on the track though!

--Tom
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance
Keywords: Progressive
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:13:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Jul28.074043.18030@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c60a-zg@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Martin Guerrero-LabA) writes:
>Say, has anyone heard of this group?
>
>Based on the responses to Genesis, Kansas, ELP, etc., probably not.
 
I think you'd be suprised.

>I'd say it is pretty interesting music.  
>
>Give a few guesses at the type of music they play.

16th century dance tunes, gregorian chants and generally dark arangements of
a variety of intrumental and vocal tunes?

Is it progressive?  I think so.  I wonder what their popularity would have
been had they been doing this stuff in the 70's.
-- 
+============================================================================++
| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
+============================================================================++
From: cthulhu@sparky.cis.ufl.edu (Mark Kupper)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Desperately seeking "When Dream and Day Unite"
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:19:53 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

In article <1992Jul19.055007.4413@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> greenj@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (GREEN JOHN CRAIG) writes:
>Help! I have spent countless hours searching fruitlessly for this out of
>print Dream Theatre release. Can anyone help a budding Dream Theatre addict
>who's down on his luck?

  Same goes for me!!
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From: rseguine@buckeye.mitre.org (Roy SeGuine)
Subject:  Re: e: What are best albums of Genesis?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:34:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.120340.29102@gvl.unisys.com>  
rafem@gvlf7-e.gvl.unisys.com (Ralph Marrone) writes:
> In article <1992Jul22.141628.18649@linus.mitre.org>  
rseguine@buckeye.mitre.org (Roy SeGuine) writes:
> >> In article <1992Jul20.111108.14479@gvl.unisys.com>  
> >> rafem@gvlf7-e.gvl.unisys.com (Ralph Marrone) writes:
> >> > In article <1992Jul17.190950.5143@linus.mitre.org>  
> >> rseguine@buckeye.mitre.org (Roy SeGuine) writes:
> >> > >In article <1992Jul17.115025.4092@gvl.unisys.com>  
> >> > >rafem@gvlf7-e.gvl.unisys.com (Ralph Marrone) writes:
> >> > >> In article <elambert.711317846@qualcom>  
> >elambert@qualcom.qualcomm.com  
> >> > >(Eber Lambert) writes:
> >> > >> >Best Genesis: Selling England,Lamb...,Nursery Cryme, Trick,  
> >> Trespass...
> >> > >> >              Foxtrot.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >	      Everything else is average(wind, Live, And then)
> >> > >> >	      or garbage ( => Duke)
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >But me... I'm just a lawn mower
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> 
> >> > >> I can tell by the way you walk.
> >> > >> 
> >> > >> 
> >> > >> 
> >> > >
> >> > >It must be a draw...  there's no one left alive.
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > So the Blackcap Barons toss a coin to settle the score.
> >> 
> >> The Pied Piper takes his children underground
> >
> >Mild mannered supermen are held by kryptonite
> 
> And the foolish virgins giggle with their bodies' glowing bright
> 
> 
Amongst the weeds and slimey waters
From: ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk (Ian Coleman)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Jon and ... Kitaro!
Date: 28 Jul 92 08:11:37 GMT
Reply-To: ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Laboratories

Time to show my ignorance here (shouldn't be too hard! :-)

Who is Kitaro and what style of music does he play??


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Subject: Re: Genesis: What everybody misses
From: ecmtwhk@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Thomas Koenig)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:06:19 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

Ryan.J.Victor@dartmouth.edu (Ryan J. Victor) writes:

> But as times changed, so
>their music evolved. This is why they are the sole progressive rock
>band to survive the punk era, escaping the label of being antiquated by
>becoming leaner to suit the times. 

Sole progressive rock band to survive the punk era? I wouldn't be
too sure about that :-)

If you compare Yes or Rush to Genesis, I think there's a marked difference.
Both of these bands changed a lot over the years, too. But still, both 
have retained at least part of their musical edge, and there still is
complexity in their music. If I want to listen to somebody repeat a
chorus at least 50 times (as on "No Son of Mine"), I might as well
listen to Michael Jackson.
-- 
Thomas Koenig, ecmtwhk@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz, ib09@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic
diagram.
From: fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Ozric Tentacles: Early Tapes
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:52:10 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com ( Peter The Lighthouse Keeper ) writes:

>My latest Ozrics disc (Live Undersplunky) contained a merchandise order
>form for T-shirts and some of the band's early cassettes which one can
>order direct from the UK. There are six tapes available:
>ERPSONGS, TANTRIC OBSTACLES, LIVE ETHEREAL CEREAL, THERE IS NOTHING,
>SLIDING GLIDING WORLDS, and BITS BETWEEN THE BITS.
>I know that some of this material appeared on the double-"Afterswish" CD,
>but then a lot of it didn't...  Are these cassettes worth getting ?
>especially of interest to me is the live one, as "Afterswish" contained
>NO live material whatsoever, and after "Underslunky" I think I'd like
>to hear more live stuff by these guys.

Something else to look out for are tapes by "Nodens Ictus". These are
half the Osrics with a couple of others. The sound is a bit more
electronic but really good. C&D Records in Dundee, Scotland had the
tapes quite recently. 

FoFP
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From: glad@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Clayton Glad)
Subject: Re: Who is 'Progressive' in the 90s
Keywords: Progressive
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:37:49 GMT

malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:

>Other stuff I'd call sort of progressive that is current - Curlew. I
>don't know how to describe them. Sort of an outgrowth of the NY 
>downtown improv scene. Not far from Henry Cow in sound.

Hmmm.  I guess I can see that.  

>Amy Denio is someone who worked with them on a pending release, and she's
>done some hot experimental solo stuff that's something like Laurie
>Anderson on acid jamming with Fred Frith. Really strange and beautiful
>stuff that IMHO has more depth than Ms. Anderson's recent explorarions.

Yeah, *just* like Laurie Anderson.  'cept Denio's a superb and subtle
vocalist and instrumentalist, writes interesting melodies, is capable
of extremely clever arrangements, and avoids cloying and smug lyrics.

I agree with your assessment, Malcolm, but I dunno about the comparison.
They're both women who avoid the usual traps set for women in popular
music.  I don't think they have a lot more than that in common.

As for contemporary "progressive", there are dozens of things that come 
to my mind.  But I always assume that "progressive" in contexts like this
carries connotations of gentility.

Which means that whoever's asking isn't really likely to get excited
about the Molecules, anyway.

-- Clay
From: carolyn@usna.navy.mil (Ms. Carolyn Mayr (CADIG STAFF))
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: ELP concert - Columbia, MD 7/28
Summary: ELP in Columbia
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:12:20 GMT

In article <Bs7ArG.2x8@news.larc.nasa.gov>, eckman@eos1.larc.nasa.gov (Richard Eckman) writes:
> I saw ELP at Columbia, MD last night (7/28).  After 14 years, they
> haven't lost much of their energy.  Greg couldn't quite hit the high

Hey there Richard, I was there too!  I originally had row S tickets.  Did you 
notice a woman in the front row standing in front of Greg (yep it was me!).
I bought some 5th row tickets at the show and during Pictures at an
Exhibition, my friend managed to buy a front row ticket stub from some
guy who couldn't stay for the rest of the show (his loss).  I would have
snuck up to the front (I've done it lots of time before) but the pit area was 
packed.  I've never seen ELP and wanted it to be an experience to remember.

I'm a musician so I was the only one in the front row area playing "air
drums" and singing along.  Both Greg and Carl noticed and looked at me and 
smiled a couple times :-).  After Pictures, Greg came over and shook my hand.  
I called Carl and Keith over and they did the same (I hope that "built-in 
sequencer" in Keith's hands rubbed off on *this* keyboardist hands!  I'll
find out when I work on Tarkus later this week!)

> 
> Encore:
> - America / Rondo (Emerson wrestling and knifing the Hammond)

During Rondo, Greg threw a few picks into the crowd.  I looked up at him
and held my cupped hands out and with my big brown eyes mouthed to him "Greg,
can I have a pick please?"  He smiled and told me sure but hold on.  He played
the Rondo bass sequence part while Keith did his hammond wrestling.  Then Greg
looked at me, smiled, walked over to me and very *gently* placed the pick 
in my hand and said "here's the pick I promised you.  You're welcome".  
What a guy!

>   The audience must have averaged around 30 years old.  There were a lot of

Yep, that's me (what an old fogie!) but I felt like I was still in high
school listening to my ELP music.
	
> was about 1 hour 40 minutes.  The group 'Bonham' opened the show.  They
> sucked big time (IMHO) and really had no business opening for a band like 
> ELP.

True.  But alot had to do with the poor PA job the sound crew did for both
bands.  I know Greg uses a top of the line Seinhauser mics but you couldn't
tell because the mix was so bad.

Can't wait till next time--front row, yes and backstage, here I come!
(Gotta shoot for the best ya know)  :-)

					Carolyn

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