HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Diabetic coma
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:35:43 GMT

asandy@emdeng.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (asandy) writes:

>In article <16011@pitt.UUCP> km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) writes:
>>In article <1018@ceylon.gte.com- vrs0@bunny.gte.com (V. Stern) writes:
>>-In article <15974@pitt.UUCP- km@speedy.cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) writes:
>>--
>>-- DKA is more of a risk with juvenile diabetics, and with patients with
>>-- brittle diabetes ...                *********
>>-
>>-Please don't continue confusing juvenile and adult diabetics. ...
>>-Vanessa R. Stern
>>-vrs0@bunny.gte.com
>>
>>Excuse me, but this group is composed predominantly of lay people, and
>>I believe that the old terms "juvenile" and "adult" diabetes mean more
>>to these people.
>> -Ken Mitchum MD
>> km@cs.pitt.edu

>Now, I am really confused.  I do not think of myself as a 'juvenile diabetic',
>but I have 'juvenile diabetes'; does that make sense?  When I was thirteen,
>I was a juvenile diabetic.  Now, I am a fifty-four year old male with juvenile
>diabetes.  

Oh-oh...Ken & Gordon don't like people to imply any criticism of their
terminology.  Hope this doesn't re-start the flame-fest...

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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: terry@ithaca.Eng.Sandy.Novell.COM (Terry Lambert)
Subject: Re: ********  MICROWAVE HAZARDS *******
Organization: Novell NPD -- Sandy, UT
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:40:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.035420.28371@athena.cs.uga.edu> mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington) writes:
>In response to Mr. Ng's question, microwave ovens are very well shielded.
>The microwave field strength two or three inches from the oven is very low.
>(The holes in the grating across the window are much smaller than the
>wavelength and hence do not cause leakage.)
>
>Problems arise if:
> (a) the shielding is tampered with (I've heard of people back in the 1950s
>who ran their microwave ovens with the doors removed), or
> (b) the shielding becomes damaged (mainly, the door doesn't close properly).

My uncle Stan, who was one of the guys who worked on the initial Microwave
oven idea at Boeing, refuses to have one in his house.  The exact quote from
him, I believe, was "Damn things'll cook your gonies!".  This from one of
the men who first went out on boats to "catch lightning" to find out what
they needed to reproduce to test aircraft parts without having to sit in
the waiting room with Dr. Frankenstein until a storm came in.  He nearly
drowned as they used up two boats in the process (they underestimated by a
factor of 1000, and then by a factor of 10 the amount of energy involved).
Seems to me that if he refuses to keep one in his house, there has to be
good reason behind it.

					Terry Lambert
					terry_lambert@gateway.novell.com
					terry@icarus.weber.edu

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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek)
Subject: Re: Amino acid diet, is it safe?
Keywords: amino diet
Organization: Good place for a disclaimer
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:28:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.150057.6093@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> mrb@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (m..bruncati) writes:
>the diet consists of eating six meals a day
>and with each mean taking 7 grams of aminos acids - basically 
>42 grams of predigested protein.  The "meals" consist of like a
>piece of fruit or some such which works out to around 700cals.
>a day.  His claim is that you won't feel hungry or lose muscle
>mass - oh you have to drink at least 64oz. of water a day (I was
>drinking close to a gallon) and

Since there is very little protein in fruit, this diet is deficient in
protein.  The body also requires some fatty acids which it cannot
synthesize.  This should be examined in detail for long periods on this
diet.  Predigested aminos in normal ratios, in amounts less than normal,
why should this bother your kidneys?  Why bother with them at all?
The extra water is needed because you will probably go into ketosis, and
cannibalize muscle.  His 1st claim, that you won't feel hungry, was
falsified on the 1st day.  Why believe any others?

>My question - is this hard on my kidneys? all those tablets!  
>
>I mean this is basically
>a high protein diet but since the amino acids are predigested
>I thought that there would be no problem for the short time (maybe
>another week or two) that

No, this is a low protein diet.  RDA is 70+ gm, and normal American ~50%
higher. The 'predigestion' should not affect your kidneys, which are not
involved in the digestion of protein.  Surely the author of this diet
has a better rationale than he has imparted to you!

-- 
Ed Pavelchek   ekp@mcnc.org
But I make a profit of 3 1/4 cents an egg by selling them for 4 1/4
cents an egg to the people in Malta I buy them from for 7 cents an egg.
Of course, *I* don't make the profit.          Joseph Heller, Catcha 22
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: markmc@sierra.com (Mark McWiggins)
Subject: Re: Vitamin C dosage?
Organization: Sierra Geophysics Inc.,  Kirkland, Wa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:11:15 GMT

An M.D. I respect recommends up to 2 grams 3 times/day as an antioxidant.
I can't see any harm, so I'm doing that (along with 25,000 i.u. of beta
carotene and 400-800 i.u. of vitamin E).

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markmc@sierra.com        +1 206 632 1905 24 hrs.       Seattle WA 98103-1356
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: what causes leg cramps ?
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:04:07 GMT
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System

In article <92226.40447.6310550@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>, 6310550@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
|> Does anybody know what causes leg (calf & foot) cramps ?  For the
|> past 5-6 nights I've been woken up by leg cramps.  The only thing
|> that stops them is to stand up.  I recently started on Weight Watchers
|> (trying level 2)... Could the diet have something to do with it ?
|> Any insights will be greatly appreciated.
|> 
|> Thanks,
|> Deb

When I started my big diet in early April, I started having hand cramps,
leg cramps, jaw cramps, etc.  I suspected they were somehow the result
of my OptiTrim food supplement, but didn't report the problem right away.
When I did, naturally the folks in charge of the diet program wanted me 
to quit the program because they had no idea what was causing the cramps
(and were probably afraid I would sue them).

So I called a physician who knows my body very well (my brother-in-law),
and he speculated that the 4 packets of OptiTrim contained too much [for me]
phosphorous: 133% RDA).  He recommended (he was a pharmacist before he
became an OB/Gyn, and he's kept his pharmacy license active all these
years) Slow Mag (slow-released Magnesium, I think) for the cramps, and
an antacid called Amphogel which absorbs phosphorus (he also recommended
a stool softener to counteract the constipating effects of the antacid).
And he told me to take Fosfree (phosphorous-free) calcium tablets instead 
of the ones I was currently taking that contain phosphorous.  All this 
stuff is available over-the-counter.

Voila, no more cramps of any kind.  [And I've lost 34 lbs!]  So even if
your problem is not too much phosphorous, you might consider the Slow Mag.

Jan
From: mdf0@GTE.com (Mark Feblowitz)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Inbreeding and autoimmune diseases
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:29:15 GMT
Reply-To: mfeblowitz@gte.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: GTE Laboratories Inc.
In-reply-to: Raleigh, NC's message of 17 Aug 92 17:56:38 GMT

Let's see - if the autoimmune disorder is hereditary, and if both
parties bring an autoimmune disorder into the equation, then there 
is a greater likelihood that the product of the union will manifest 
the disorder.

What exactly is your question? Of course, the term "inbreeding" has
some ominous politically-incorrect connotations. If there is an
innocent question behind this possibly inflamatory wording, I suggest
that you reword your question, lest you beget a flame war, the net's 
own autoimmune mechanism...

	
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From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: unethical? (was: Smart Drugs)
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:49:15 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <16119@pitt.UUCP> km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) writes:

>that they "aren't doctors." I can (theoretically at least) be sued
>for what I say on the net, particularly if someone thinks I am giving
>him or here individual medical advice, and I don't carry malpractice
>insurance. A non-professional can post whatever he or she wants to
>in response to what I say without any fear of reprisal. A great system.
>
Ken, I don't think you can theoretically be sued for malpractice,
although anyone can sue for any reason, of course.  There has to
be some doctor-patient relationship formed in order for their
to be malpractice.  In the past, patients who have tried to sue
doctor advice columns in newspapers or doctors who answered their
questions at a cocktail party have not collected anything that I
am aware of.  Now if you are real dumb and start telling people
not to follow their doctor's advice, or tell them what drugs to
take and the doses over the net, then I suppose you could be
accused of practicing medicine.  But just answering questions is
not going to get you in trouble.  When people write me email
asking for specific therapeutic or diagnostic advice, I try
to be as diplomatic as possible, and suggest they see their doctor,
or if they would like, they can come and I will see them personally,
but to try to diagnose long distance is pretty silly.



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From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: New Adiposity 101 1/2
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:02:35 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

Chuck, do you suppose you could post a file that has the new
stuff in it or in some other way highlight the new stuff?
I've read the thing several times now and I do want to see
what you've added, but hate to read the old stuff again.
I suppose I could try to use diff on it, but maybe you
have a better idea.

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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: fod@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Frank O'Donnell)
Subject: Aches in abdominal region
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:15:55 GMT

I've had some strange aches in the general area of my abdomen
that my doctor hasn't been able to explain completely.  Though I
know it's not feasible to try to do a diagnosis over the net, I'd
be curious for anyone's stray thoughts on these symptoms.

The aches started a couple of months ago when I had a series of
inoculations before going on travel to the tropics (yellow fever,
dip-tet, polio, typhoid, gamma globulin, etc).  The two typhoid
shots in particular seemed to produce an immune response with
swollen lymph nodes.  At the same time as this, I felt as though
I had a somewhat swollen appendix.

The reaction went away, but then a couple of weeks later a series
of recurring aches began.  For a night or so I had a quite
painful appendix (I almost thought I was getting appendicitis),
but it settled down and by the time I was able to see my doctor
he said it did not appear to be appendicitis.  This ache would
alternate with a diffuse aching in the area of my liver and an
area in the crease between my right thigh and the groin, about
halfway between the hip bone and crotch.  Each would ache for an
hour or two and then subside.  My doctor ran some liver tests to
make sure it was functioning ok (he said it was), and then
concluded that it was probably some kind of low-grade virus that
was provoking an immune response (apart from the liver, he said
the areas that ached correspond to lymph nodes).

Everything went away for a couple of weeks, but the aches have
returned.  The appendix doesn't ache anymore, but now the aching
alternates between a dull ache of the liver; an ache of the spot
in the crease between right thigh and groin; and a spot centered
around and just forward of the right hip bone.

Would this indeed seem to be some kind of low-grade bug that
keeps holding on and on for a couple of months?  Could they be
related to the inoculations I had?  I haven't felt particularly
sick except for these symptoms.  There is no particular strain on
my liver (I'm a non-drinker) apart from moderate coffee drinking
and taking a Benadryl a day or so for allergies.  I don't have
any particular gastrointestinal problems tied in with this.

Thanks for any comment, shot-in-the-dark or otherwise!

Frank
frank@jplpost.jpl.nasa.gov
From: km@speedy.cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: spina bifida information needed, please!
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:36:20 GMT
Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug20.043005.22931@news.eng.convex.com> cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) writes:

>Do you perhaps have spina bifida confused with anencephaly?

If he does, you can probably get his medical license revoked.

>
>Dr. Banks' gross ignorance is yet more proof that the average medical
>professional in this country receives very little training in the
>evaluation of mental and physical disabilities and defects. If you want to
>know something about spina bifida, Down's syndrome, or cerebral palsy,
>you'd best not ask a doctor.

Well, Dr. Banks is not quite the average medical progessional. He
happens to be board certified in neurology and an assitant professor
at a medical school. I guess that should make him super-ignorant.

The fact is, many of the things you posted were the same things that
Dr. Banks posted, including the likelihood of paraplegia and mental
retardation. You chose to look at it from the cheery side of things,
which perhaps you have been forced to based on personal experience.
Dr. Banks is paid to look at things from a slightly more detached
viewpoint, tempered by his years of experience. The fact that his
experience has led him to a less hopeful view of this condition
does not make him ignorant, or you wise. You owe him an apology.

 -Ken Mitchum MD
 km@cs.pitt.edu
From: mdf0@GTE.com (Mark Feblowitz)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Anaphylactic shock - a vaccine ??
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:15:37 GMT
Reply-To: mfeblowitz@gte.com
Organization: GTE Laboratories Inc.
In-reply-to: Dr_mackie@med.umich.edu's message of 20 Aug 92 12:11:04 GMT

For those of you with highly atopic children, there's are rather
chilling study in last week's New England Journal of Medicine on fatal
and near-fatal anaphylaxis in children, and an accompanying letter on
the subject. If only there _were_ a vaccine!


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From: M20614@mwvm.mitre.org (Hugh Pritchard)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Paralytics...
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:33:41 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102

In article <Bsvz7x.53n@ibmpcug.co.uk>
george@ibmpcug.co.uk (Michael Veltman) writes:
 
>    [quoting someone else]
>>    I am doing some research on paralytics.  In particular, short acting
>>ones such as "succs".  ...
 
"Succs" is medical slang for succinylcholine (Anectine).
 
>1.  No paralysing agent works faster than suxamethonium, which acts
>as quickly as it takes the blood to circulate it to the neuromuscular
>junction.
 
And suxamethonium is another name for succinylcholine!
 
>The real question is what do you want it for????
 
Maybe he's writing a murder mystery.
 
**  Hugh Pritchard,  hapritch@mitre.org,  703/883-6616
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Nutrition (Was FDA still at large)
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:24:06 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

John.Willis@p123.f349.n109.z1.fidonet.org (John Willis) wrote:
> Recently, J. Randall Thompson replied to me:
>> What does an RD have to do with you not liking hospital food? In most
>> institutions the clinical RD's have no more control over the menu cycles
>> or food preparation than the patient.
> Maybe (:->) I don't understand the terminology... I would not expect a
> "clinical" RD to be a competent "meal planner". If dietitians do not have
> control over diet planning in hospitals, then who does?

The kitchen administration or the managers of the private firms doing the
catering.  I've seen quite a few of the job descriptions my girlfriend (an
SRD) has thrown in the bin in disgust, and Randall Thompson has got it right.
The dietitians are only permitted a firefighting role - to stop diabetics
being given sugar pop, that sort of thing - and are never in a position to
demand anything that might cost *money*, like increased use of wholemeal
bread, reduction in synthetic colourings, or more fresh vegetables.  With
most hospital meals now privatized, they have no input into food purchase
decisions.  It must be a bloody depressing job.

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From: plebrun@vub.UUCP (Philippe Lebrun)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: 'skin care'
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:50:20 GMT
Organization: Vrije Universiteit Brussel, Brussels

In article <Bt1D5E.6qw@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, hykwong@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Thomas Kwong) writes:
> 
> 	Recently, I had an accident and this left a noticeble scar on my face.
> Does anyone know any drugs or lotion that smoothen the face. Is there any particular diet that would improve the complexion of the skin ( especially the face part). What are the well-known skin care lotion available in the market ??

Sorry, no lotion helps. As for diet, there was a well written
post just a few back on the subject...
However, you must wait at least one year before the healing 
process is over and the redness subsides. What remains is 
dependant on the place and shape of the injury.
In the meantime, use sun-tan lotion with an index of >12 if
you go out in the sun for any length of time.
See a good plastic surgeon for a better opinion. If your skin
is not healing quite normally (hypertrophic scar - i.e. a hard
and thick scar), there are treatments.

philippe
Newsgroups: sci.med,soc.veterans,talk.politics.misc
From: fzjaffe@othello.ucdavis.edu (Rory Jaffe)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Paralytics...
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:06:11 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis

In article <1992Aug21.155742.14572@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> cfaks@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Alice Sanders) writes:
>My mother did, I believe, have one of these once during a severe asthma
>attack.  She believed she was dying, but I wasn't able to tell if that
>sensation was from the asthma attack or from the paralytic.  What are the
>names of the most frequently used paralytics?  
>
>She said she could not move, and someone was putting a tube down her
>throat, and she thought she was saying 'goodbye' to the world, most
>fightening experience she could remember having.  
>
>One of the things on the doctor's report was 'curare' or something like
>that.
>
Let me emphasize that my discussion of the need for paralytics without
anesthesia is for trauma victims.  Asthma is a different matter, and
anesthetics (used judiciously) are usually not going to increase the
risk associated with the paralytic.  The most commonly used agents in
our hospital are succinylcholine and vecuronium.  Atracurium,
pancuronium, mivacurium, pipecuronium, and doxacurium are used less
frequently.  Metocurine and curare are used rarely.

I cannot pass judgment on the appropriateness of your mother's care, nor
can anyone else on the net without knowledge of all the circumstances
surrounding the episode.
From: asandy@emdeng.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (asandy)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Diabetic coma
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:57:26 GMT
Reply-To: asandy@emdeng.UUCP ()
Organization: NCR, E&M Dayton

In article <16011@pitt.UUCP> km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) writes:
>In article <1018@ceylon.gte.com- vrs0@bunny.gte.com (V. Stern) writes:
>-In article <15974@pitt.UUCP- km@speedy.cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) writes:
>--
>-- DKA is more of a risk with juvenile diabetics, and with patients with
>-- brittle diabetes ...                *********
>-
>-Please don't continue confusing juvenile and adult diabetics. ...
>-Vanessa R. Stern
>-vrs0@bunny.gte.com
>
>Excuse me, but this group is composed predominantly of lay people, and
>I believe that the old terms "juvenile" and "adult" diabetes mean more
>to these people.
> -Ken Mitchum MD
> km@cs.pitt.edu

Now, I am really confused.  I do not think of myself as a 'juvenile diabetic',
but I have 'juvenile diabetes'; does that make sense?  When I was thirteen,
I was a juvenile diabetic.  Now, I am a fifty-four year old male with juvenile
diabetes.  

My question is - Is DKA something I should be worrying about?  Was your line -
"DKA is more of a risk with juvenile diabetics" correct, or should it have
been, "DKA is more of a risk with juvenile diabetes"?  

(By the way - 41 years on insulin, and still no complications!).

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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Hepatitis vaccine
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:09:06 GMT

In article <a!9mrj@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@carina.unm.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.124727.15244@kodak.kodak.com> salvaggi@sunshine.Kodak.COM (Nanette Salvaggio) writes:
>>|> 
>>My pediatrician feels that this vaccine has not sufficiently been tested
>>on small children and will not give even give it to his own kids.  He 
>>has never had a child that lives a healthy CLEAN life style come
>>down with hepatitis, so therefore feels that until further testing
>>is performed that it is not worth the risk.  Just thought an opposing
>>opinion might be useful.
>>
>Nanette, 
>
>Take your dogmatic, judgemental, incorrect blather elsewhere.
>You don't know what you are talking about.
>
>Brian


Interesting debate.  Who's winning?

GMS