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From: jyri@faline..bellcore.com (Jyri Virkki)
Subject: Re: TOYOTA's timing belt
Keywords: Timing belt, 60000, crankshaft...
Reply-To: jyri@faline.UUCP (Jyri Virkki)
Organization: Bellcore MRE
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 21:02:57 GMT

In article <trung.714150545@sundance> trung@sundance.SJSU.EDU (Trung Tran) write
>
>I hope someone out there with some expertise on this can help me.  For the
>last 2, 3 years, my brother just keep telling me and other TOYOTA owners to
>replace the timing belts in our cars after the cars get 60000 miles.
>Apparently, some mechanics had told him that the TOYOTA Camry (1985 ..?)
>have had some problems with the timing belt.  After 60,000 miles, the
>timing belt will very likely be broken, thus, causes the crankshaft to be
>bent (???) which will kill the engine.  I swear this is what my brother
>keep telling me and everyone else.  I'm getting quite annoyed and worried.
>My question is that is this really true?  I can't really see how the broken
>timing belt will bend the crankshaft!!!

It's not a Camry problem, nor Toyota, specifically. It is true for all
cars that have camshafts driven by belts. And I wouldn't call it a 
"problem" that needs to be "fixed"; it's just a regular maintenance item,
like oil or spark plugs. I can't speak of the Camry specifically, but for
most cars the recommended mileage to change this belt is 60K-80K. 

It is rare for this to actually break, but it might. If it does, the camshaft
will stop turning, so the pistons will hit the valves. Can you say MAJOR
damage to the engine? So, even though it is rare for this to break, it
is so cheap to replace, and considering that if it _does_ break you'll
be paying thousands to fix the damage caused, it's not smart to ignore it.

>TOYOTA come up with a fix to this already?  I've put almost 90,000 miles on
>my 89 Supra and I'm pretty sure the timing belt has not been changed yet.
>Should I?  Besides, I feel quite stupid to bring the car to the dealer and
>tell them to replace the timing belt for no apparent reason, then, I have
>to pay them hundreds of dollars too.

If I were you, I'd change it immediately. A new one should cost less than
$50, while a new engine would run you a little more than that. It's not
too hard to change (usually, I've never done it on a Supra specifically) so
you might want to think about doing it yourself. A dealer probably would
screw you pretty bad, so I wouldn't take it to them.

So yes, do it, unless you feel really lucky.

Jyri

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From: bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: V6 .vs. inline 6
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:12:39 GMT
	<1992Aug11.212046.16395@nntp.hut.fi>
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.

In article <1992Aug11.212046.16395@nntp.hut.fi> k33074s@kaira.hut.fi (Micke Bergman) writes:

>60-degree V6 's 2nd order momentums cannot be balanced without a balance-
>shaft. 90-deg V6 have the same problem only 1.6 times worse.

I think you are confusing firing balance and momentum balance.  all 90
degree V's with shared rod journals are, by definition, in perfect
primary mass balance.  So a 90 degree V-4, or 90 degree V-6, or a 90
degree V-8, or a 90 degree V-10, or a 90 degree V-12, or a 90 degree
V-14, or a etc... is always perfectly in primary balance.

180 degree boxer engines (any even number of cylinders) are also
always in perfect primary mass balance.  As are inline engines (any
even number of cylinders).

Secondary mass balance is very difficult to achieve.  In fact, it can
only be entirely achieved with perfect symmetry about the middle of
the crankshaft out towards the ends.  So a V-twin can only do this
with a shared rod journal and the rod journal must be `knife-and-fork'
(one inside the other).  The only modern engine done this way is built
by Harley-Davidson.  Everyone else, simply accepts some small degree
of secondary mass imbalance (vertical or in-line twins are the worst).
this is usually corrected with balance shafts (Mitsubishi patent).

Tertiary mass imbalance is usually refered to as rod-crank angularity.
This is where the length of the connecting rod causes uneven
accelerations of the piston as it travels up and down the cylinder.
If the rod length and the stroke are the same length, then after the
piston hits BDC the crank has only traveled 90 degrees after TDC.  The
cranks rotates 180 degrees before the piston moves again.  To minimize
this problem, long rods help.  This is called the rod to stroke length
ratio and is a good indication of piston accelerations (a strong
constraint on redlines).

Finally, there is firing order balance.  this has _nothing_ to do with
mass balance.  All this is, simply, do you get a power stroke with
even rotation of the crank?  Ideally, every 180 degrees of crank
rotation you want a power stroke in a 4 cylinder, 120 degrees for a 6,
90 degrees for a 8, 72 degrees for a 10, 60 degrees for a 12, etc.

>Note : Every engine is possible to balance by some means (first order by
>counterweights and second order by balance shafts)

Not true.  You can have any counter weight and still have a first
order out of balance.  The classical case is a single.  At TDC and BDC
the counter weight is in perfect primary balance.  But halfway up or
down and the counter weight is being opposed by -nothing-.  For any
_even_ number of cylinders, your above statement is true.

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From: liys@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: HONDA CIVIC FOR SALE
Date: 19 Aug 92 10:51:54 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Aug18.150227.7037@ac.dal.ca>, hecate@ac.dal.ca writes:
> FOR SALE< HALIFAX NOVA SCOTIA 
> 
> Honda Civic hatchback 1990 standard shift, with radio/tape deck.
> @20,000 km. Red. Excellent condition, driven by female. Marvellous
> mileage. Snow tires included. Asking $9500. Local answers only,
> please, and serious. Please email to this address.
> 
> J. Holland

This has to be an Si model right?

Jason


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: deb5584@ultb.isc.rit.edu (D.E. Baker )
Subject: Ford vs Chevy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originator: deb5584@ultb
Reply-To: deb5584@ultb.rit.edu ()
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:39:13 GMT

If anyone knows of any articles on a 5.0 Stang vs a IROC Camaro could
you send me some E-Mail.  I want to compaire the performance of both
cars.  Also I want to compaire the Mustang to the 305 and 350 IROC.

                                                Thanks,
                                                Doug
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jchen@flash.bellcore.com (Jason Chen)
Subject: Re: Buying used 1988 Honda Accord LX
Reply-To: jchen@flash.UUCP (Jason Chen)
Organization: Bellcore, Morristown NJ
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 20:08:26 GMT

The only other thing I would look at are the timing belt and brakes.

One of my co-workers owns a 87 Accord with 160k miles on the clock. It
shows little sign of aging. 

If you are getting it at whole sale price, the deal should be good.


C. Jason Chen 
jchen@flash.bellcore.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dwjz@bcarh975.bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer)
Subject: Re: 1987-1991 CAMRYS may lock you in the car
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 20:46:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.195934.9602@leland.Stanford.EDU> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
>no, they don't prevent the doors from opening in an accident,
>but they do stop a dude with a knife from getting in the car with
>you (a definite concern if you're driving in northeast d.c. at night).

How anybody can live in a country where it's _that_ dangerous to be in
a particular place during peacetime is beyond me.  America may be a free
country, but are you free to go everywhere?

>-teddy


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From: mark@nwra.com (Mark)
Subject: How to fill small hole in new muffler?
Organization: Northwest Research Associates, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:20:38 GMT

Due to rubbing on a driveshaft, my new rear muffler has a tiny hole
worn through it. The hole is about 1/16" but will undoubtedly get
bigger over time. Can anyone suggest a product (like Liquid Steel or
some high-temp epoxy) that will create a lasting bond on the exposed
bare steel around the hole? [The driveshaft no longer rubs on the
muffler!]

Thanks for any help you can provide.
 
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: Re: Law regarding speeding ticket ?
Keywords: Help, Reckless driving
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 21:51:37 GMT

sgupta@mueller.ecn.purdue.edu (Sameer Gupta) writes:

>I was charged with reckless driving (81 in a 65 zone) in VA.  Here is the
>problem :

>	I am now pursuing a MS at Purdue University in Indiana.  Since the
>charge is reckless driving, the cop said I have to appear in court in VA (at
>least an 8 hr drive from here.)  Is there any way I can avoid taking this 
>trip (The court date is Sept. 18, smack in the middle of the semester.)

>I do have a clean record and scum measured my speed coming down a steep hill.
>Any advice or notes about previous experiences welcome.  I am sure I am not the
>first guy to be charged with reckless driving so far away from home.

Write a letter to the court...the operative word to use is 'HARDSHIP'...

that will work....delay it for a long time...tell them your situation etc..

after 6months...the cop won't goto court...becuase in that amount of time..
he won't remember

worked for me..and i won <but it wasn't for reck. driving.it was speeding>
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From: breid@pyrhard2.eng.pyramid.com (Bill Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: '86 Subaru - reset EGR light, how?
Keywords: subaru EGR light
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:55:47 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

In article <JqLRPB2w165w@toz.buffalo.ny.us> darkstar@toz.buffalo.ny.us (peter leone) writes:

> If you like do 
>do your own service on your Subaru, I recommend that your go and get a 
>copy of "How to Keep Your Subaru Alive" by Larry Owens. It's a great book 
>that give ssimple instructions on how to fix amlost any thing on Subarus! 

Does this book cover the Legacy models?  I have looked for a Haynes or 
Chiltons manual for Legacys in parts stores, and it doesn't look like 
they have put one out yet.  Are there any books available for the  
Legacy?

Xref: sparky rec.autos:20503 misc.consumers:15466
From: hwang@mace.cc.purdue.edu (I-shiou Ng)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.auto.tech,misc.consumers
Subject: Firestone,my Delta 88 and a few questions
Date: 23 Aug 92 04:48:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University

Hi there,
	Today I go to Firestone, Lafayette to have a check of my new baught
'86 Delta 88.
	They gave me a list of what need to be repaired "immediately"
#air filter(they said it was too dirty)
#cc vent replacement
#PCV filter
#4 Strut(ask for 750!!)
#change auto transmission fluid(it's too dirty--they said)
	When the manager gave me this long list, I was a little surprised. Well,just because I had changed air filter two days ago(including cleaning the hous-
ing, exteriorly and interiorly). So I told him--it's impossible that the air 
filter should be changed. Before he realized the situation, he explained to
me that "may the exterior is dirty, so the mechanics figured out the suggestion
". "That's impossible, I even used the soap to clean the exterior". After he
accompied me to inspected my car, he used his pen to delet 3 items from the
list. And they are not charging me $6.00 inspection fee.
	I feel very uncomfortable about their practice. Can anyone give suggestion? What should we do?

The air filter is new
The auto transmission fluid is clean--the former owner just changed it 10,000
miles ago.

The only thing I worry is the struts(if what they said is true):
Can anyone enlight me how to check the struts of 88?
In what situation, I have to change all 4 of them?

Thanks in advance.


I-shiou
From: amber@sirius.crhc.uiuc.edu (Amber Roy Chowdhury)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: what to pay for used car (blue book values)
Date: 22 Aug 92 22:35:24 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: sirius.crhc.uiuc.edu

Hi,
A simple one for net gurus.
When buying a used car from a private party, should one haggle to get it down
to the blue book retail value or further down (somewhere between the wholesale
and retail value). Since the guy probably wouldn't get more than the wholesale
value form a used car dealer, it would seem that one could get a used car for
less than the retail value. If so, how much less? Midway or closer to one or 
the other?

Thanks in advance,
Amber

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Subject: Re: Electric Cars BS
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:32:41 GMT

fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro) writes:
>  Car and Driver did an extensive article earlier this year I think on
>electric cars.

[...]

>  They covered more stuff, like the latest breathroughs in battery technology
>and other stuff.  I think I'll try to post it sometime because so many people
>have incomplete or incorrect ideas on electric cars in general.

I read that one too.  The article appeared to be quite well researched
and I believe it contained a bibliography (it was the first time I'd
ever seen that in an auto-mag article :-).  It would have been in the
March/April timeframe.

Before someone starts yelling that C&D is biased towards
dinosaur-powered vehicles, read the article.  This article was a rare
example of good journalism IMHO, absolutely loaded with facts and
where they came from -- and not a lot of opinion to muddy the waters.

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: What do you think of the Saab 9000?
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 06:40:28 GMT

Sriram Sankar (sankar@Xenon.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
: 
: I'm considering buying a 1992 Saab 9000S or 9000Turbo 5-speed.  I'm looking
: for feedback on what you feel about this car and also where I can look for
: more information.  Some questions:
: 
: 2. What are the differences between the 1992 and 1993 models?

I don't know of any major changes.

: 3. How reliable and useful is the turbo?  I drove the 5-speed non-turbo
:    version and it seemed to have all the acceleration I cared for on
:    a flat road.

The turbo that SAAB uses is a water-cooled unit, and is quite durable with
proper care.  Proper care means letting the car idle for about 30 seconds
when you park, before you turn off the engine.  This keeps oil flowing to the
bearings on the turbo, which is important because those things spin a few
hundred thousand rpm (!).  I've got a friend with about 400,000 miles on a
'83 or so 900 Turbo, and that was an OIL cooled unit.      

The 2.3 Litre Turbo engine in the 9000T is VERY impressive.  225 HP, with torque
starting well below 2000 RPM, all the way up to 6000.  If you didn't know better,
you'd swear you were driving a V8.  A very flat torque curve, so it doesn't have
the 'peakiness' you might expect from a turbo.  Very VERY quick (0-60 in 7     
something seconds), and it handles extremely well.  (you knew that already,
having the 9000S).

As far as what the turbo does for you other than horsepower, I believe the
milage is marginally better in non "turbo-stomping" situations. 

For more info, talk to the dealer and get the "Engineering Information" book, 
it's 8x11x3/8 inches, and packed with more info than you can imagine.  Makes
for a good read!

Good luck,
Dave


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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: wales@valeria.cs.ucla.edu (Rich Wales)
Subject: Purple tail lights?!? (was Re: Red vs. amber turn signals)
Reply-To: wales@CS.UCLA.EDU (Rich Wales)
Organization: UCLA CS Department, Los Angeles
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 00:43:00 GMT

This talk about the color of turn signals reminded me of something very
strange I've noticed on rare occasion:

Purple tail lights.

Well, not exactly.  On closer examination, it seems that occasional cars
have a little blue dot mounted in the middle of the red tail lights.
When lit and viewed from a distance, the effect of the tiny bit of blue
is to make the lights look reddish purple.

I've only seen this a few times (but definitely more than once).  I'm
guessing that it's one of those "cool" :-} off-road-type accessories --
and that it's illegal for regular highway use.

=Why= would anyone use something like this??

Any other comments?

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From: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM (John Fox - SunExpress IR)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Mustang SVO (Was Re: 86-88 T'bird: Tur
Date: 17 Aug 1992 17:30:54 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: hooksett.east.sun.com

In article 17AUG199212113842@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov, rmc1862@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (Rodger M. Cliff) writes:
> In article <1992Aug16.101236.29906@tsoft.sf-bay.org>, meiboy@tsoft.sf-bay.org (MeiBoy of UCU) writes...
> >In article <14005@auspex-gw.auspex.com> tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) writes:
> >>In article <1TwcPB4w165w@fringe.rain.com>, dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean 
> >>Woodward) writes:
> 
> >>What I would like to see is an updated and more powerful Mustang SVO,
> >>maybe with a turbocharged V-6.  That would be worth it I think.
> 
> >Real Mustang enthusiasts would never go for this for turbos tarnish 
> >its muscle car image
> 
> I hate to agree with you, but I think you're right; the Mustang SVO proves the
> point.  The SVO was superior to the GT, except in acceleration.  We see which 
> one is still available today.  What Ford needs to do is bring back an updated
> version of the Merkur XR4TI (RWD!) and shoehorn in the SHO motor.  The price 
> would be much higher than the Mustang, but it could go up against a BMW 325
> with a better price and more performance.
> 
What you describe Ford already produces(ed). I was in England in late 87 and
had the pleasure of riding in (owner wouldn't let me drive) a Cosworth Sierra.
The Sierra is basically the same as (identical to?) an XR4ti (which ain't
that different that what a 2-door Taurus would be). Anyway, this Cosworth
FLEW! I was so astounded I didn't even get details on the engine, but it had
some serious hp - especially for that day.
I like to think the SHO is the americanized attempt of that wonderful car.

John
From: smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu (Steven A. Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Does anyone like the new Prelude?
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:15:46 GMT
Organization: Addiction Studies Program, Seattle University

I like the body, don't like the interior or the price.
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From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Yes, you can buy a Hummer
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:29:31 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <16848B974.DKAMERUD@cmsa.gmr.com> DKAMERUD@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>Previous traffic on the net concerned the Hummer (not HumVee) built by
>AM General Corp. (not AMC) and and said to be sold only to celebs
>with Schwarz in their names, namely
>Arnold Schwarzenegger and Gen'l Schwarzkopf.
>
>Automotive News 8/17 carries the story "16 Hummer Dealers Named".  Mfr
>hopes to line up a 50-dealer network by the end of the year.  The original
>poster said he needed a military vehicle in his neighborhood (U of Chicago).
>He is in luck, as one of the first 16 dealers is in nearby Lisle Illinois.

  You shouldn't have to pay for a hummer :-)

  Doug
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From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: Re: Chevy's New Commercial [ZR-1 and Caviler]
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 01:38:43 GMT

troch@gandalf.Rutgers.EDU (Rod Troch) writes:

>>>>>> On 13 Aug 92 14:05:37 GMT, jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking) said:

>	Jim> That's cause anyone caught drinking (any fluid) or eating
>	Jim> in their ZR-1 ought to be shot on sight.  8^)

>Ohh, is that what those things is for?

>:-)

What about eating people who drink in the car? or drinking transmisison fluid?
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From: hbt@athena.mit.edu (Helen B Tatistcheff)
Subject: Re: "Factory Air"
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:05:28 GMT

In article <Bt3nn7.F0y@acsu.buffalo.edu> ajay@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ajay Shekhawat) writes:
>
>I'd like to hear from other people who bought a 1992 Civic. How much did you
>pay for the A/C and the Stereo ?

I just bought a Civic Si (last week) and the price they wrote down for
A/C was $1195, stereo (2 spkrs) was $399.  Two dealers gave me identical
quotes.

I really got the feeling that all that stuff is just to ram the retail 
price as high as they can get it.  I bought one of those books that gives
invoice prices (I think they said A/C should retail at $920) and just
made an offer based on that.  The retail price they quoted was around
$13,800 and I paid $12,400 total. (A/C, stereo, floor mats).

-Helen
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