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From: hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Mets draft protection
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:22:00 GMT
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In article <1992Aug19.204739.12530@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes...
>In article <1992Aug19.202547.26052@leland.Stanford.EDU> paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische) writes:
>>If I had to guess, I would say they will definitley protect:
>>
>>	Magadan, Hundley, Johnson, Bonilla
>>	Gooden, Fernandez, Saberhagen, Schourek, Young, Franco
> 
>If they protect Dwight Gooden, they must really be getting desperate!
>He's not a 5-10 player yet, is he?  The only less-draftable players I
>can think of are Morris and Young.

I don't think Doc would be a 10-5 player, he came into the league in 1984.
However, he may have a no-trade clause in his contract, which would force
the Mets to protect him.

> 
>Don't they have *anything* besides this on the team?  How about
>Donnels and this McKnight guy?  Innis?  Whitehurst?

Donnels might be a legit player, but he's 27.  He's 
a third baseman by trade, but can play second as well.  If I remember right,
his minor league stats showed that he could hit for a good average (~.300) and 
that he had drawn a lot of walks in the minors.  He doesn't have much power,
though.  I don't know what his defensive reputation is, but I saw him make
a few nice plays in the series last week against Pittsburgh.  

McKnight is a perennial scrub, I think he started with the Mets, was with the
Orioles for a few years, and is now back in New York.  I don't think he's the
kind of guy the Mets would want to protect.

I'm not sure what the heck happened to Whitehurst.  A couple of years ago, he
had a real solid year pitching out of the pen, and has disintegrated since then.

Most of these observations are simply things I remember off the top of my head, 
don't flame me too badly if I made a mistake... 

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From: piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL)
Subject: Nolan Ryan tonight?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:42:10 GMT


	Well, since it's close to the end of Ryans career (I assume),
	and I don't have any plans tonight, I thought I'd go down to
	Comiskey and get a few pictures of Ryan on the mound from
	the cheap seats (I'll have to break out the old zoom lens!)

	But, I can't find anywhere saying who's pitching. My paper
	(a local one) doesn't have the info. I guess I can go out
	at lunch and get one ... but

	Does anybody know if Ryan pitches tonight?

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From: aardvark@locus.com (Warren Usui)
Subject: Re: Dream Team
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:32:13 GMT

>In article <16c8lrINNgld@malibog.hal.COM> rc@hal.COM (Rolland Crunk) writes:
>
>How does a particular stadium have any effect on how many batters a
>pitcher stikes out? A better pitching mound? Yeah right...
>

Actually, many pitchers like Dodger Stadium because the mound is so good.

There can be side effects depending on the stadium that can affect the number
of strikeouts a pitcher gets.  Other than the obvious things like the pitches
may be harder to see in some parks, consider the following:

	1. Deep Fences -- If a pitcher is less afraid of a ball being hit
		out, he may choose to not pitch around a batter as often
		as he would in a smaller park.  He may challenge more 
		batters and thus get more strikeouts.  It can also be argued
		that closer fences cause more flyball outs to become homers
		thus increasing the chance of a strike-out (fewer fly ball
		outs).

	2. Foul territory -- The fewer outs one gets on non-strikeouts, the 
		more of a chance a pitcher gets to strike someone out (not
		necessarily good).  For example, if there is a stadium with
		not much foul territory, there are less foul-outs and thus
		the batter that should have fouled out now gets a chance
		to strike out.  Of course he also gets another chance to
		homer.

	3. Playing surfaces -- Again, the fewer outs one gets on
		non-strikeouts, the more of chance one gets to strike someone
		out.  Depending on the playing surface, there may be different
		numbers of poorly fielded balls, artificial turf bouncing
		base hits, or slow rollers that runners can beat.  All
		of these affect the number of batters that a pitcher faces.

Taking these points to an extreme, let's say that there is a ballpark with
no foul territory, an infield made of quicksand (the Carney Lansford
equalizer) so that no fielders can ever get to a ball, and the deepest
part of the park is a foot behind second base.  A team would have to get
almost all of it's outs from strikeouts playing in this park.  If I pitched
nine innings there I should get 27 strikeouts (and maybe give up
10,000,000 runs).

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From: bst@wang.com (Bruce Tannenbaum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Twins/superstition
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:48:39 GMT
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA

jasdzews@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary James Jasdzewski) writes:

>Last night I ate a restaurant that had ESPN on in a corner.  I saw an

Boy, you must have been hungry! :-)

-- Bruce
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Expansion Boosting Stats??
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:34:47 GMT

In article <92232.221703DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu> DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>Expansion typically has a big effect on boosting stats.  When the AL
>went to 14 teams, homers jumped by 50% I think, average jumped 10 points,
>etc., etc., etc.

Expansion typically has an *overrated* effect on boosting stats.  Yes,
homers jumped significantly in the AL from 1976 to 1977:

1976 AL - ~95 homers/team
1977 AL - ~144 homers/team 

That's about a 52% jump.  Expansion?  Maybe not.  Take a look at the NL
over the same period:

1976 NL - ~92 homers/team
1977 NL - ~136 homers/team

That's a 49% jump.  The NL did not add more teams, the NL did not
contribute players to the expansion draft, yet the NL experienced an
increase in homers almost as large as the expanding AL did.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: rob@chili.hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Phillies/Orioles Trade(Scarsone/Bell)
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:53:10 GMT
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Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University


Wasn't Bell the main prospect the Orioles got for Eddie Murray?
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: More idle stats on Clemens
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 22:25:59 GMT


Warning: These stats are just for fun.  I'm not sure what (if
anything) they mean, and I certainly don't want to try to draw any
conclusions from them.  Clemens has a record of 14-7 with three no
decisions.  In the 14 wins, he has allowed a total of 14 ER (and 1
unearned run) in 113.2 IP, for a 1.11 ERA.  In the 7 losses, the Red
Sox have scored a total of only 11 runs (1.6 R/G).

Only once has Clemens allowed more than three walks in a game, and
only once has he struck out fewer than 4.  He has walked none twice,
and struck out 10 or more three times (two of those times it was only
a 7 inning performance)!  He has allowed more hits than innings in
only three starts, and has also had three two-hit performances.  He
has allowed 5 or more runs three times, and has four complete-game
shutouts.

Cheers,
-Valentine
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: All Cal-League Teams affil. w/ Majors?  What happens to Salinas?
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:50:23 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <16p800INNpqh@agate.berkeley.edu> yoda@soda.Berkeley.EDU (Sean Yoda Rouse) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.152809.6610@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>>According to comments from the owner of the San Jose minor league team,
>>the new agreement between the majors and the minors guarantees that all the
>>of the teams in the California League will have major league affiliations.
>
>Does this statement apply to all of the minors?
>In otherwords can there be NO independent minor league teams?
>
>Or does this statement just apply to the California League?

Unfortunately, this was the extent of the information in the article I
read.  

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Subject: Re: JEFF REARDON
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:57:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.182737.9171@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug17.174244.24481@osf.org> ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum) writes:
|> >
|> >  He can't help it - he's just used too much! He's actually quite effective
|> >  when used every 4th day or so - then is ERA is very good. But when used
|> >  with less than 2 days rest, his ERA is about 4. I forget the exact figures,
|> >  but these stats were given in Gammons Globe column yesterday.
|> 
|> Oh, great!  You mean we are supposed to pay this guy $2.5 million to
|> pitch one inning every fourth day?????  That is ridiculous!

  Not as ridiculous as pitching him every day and getting nothing out of
  him (except some walks and HRs). At least if you pitch him every 4th
  day he'll be productive, which is more than you can say for the other
  'closers' on the staff. Heck - is it as bad as keeping Young around? These
  are the Red Sox, remember!! 
 
|> Closers have to be able to pitch effectively up to 3 days in a row.

  Of course!

|> (As long as it is only one inning per game.)  If Reardon can no longer
|> do that, then he is no longer an adequate closer.

  Who said he was an adequate closer?? 
 
|> A closer should be expected to appear in at least 40% of his team's
|> games.  (Almost all of the regular closers do.)  You are proposing a
|> closer appearing in less than 30% of the games.  That is obscene!

  That's the Sox!! I never said you should keep him around for long - but
  if you are stuck with him for this year then rest him enough so he can
  pitch effectively. His 'closing' career is over, but he can be used 
  every few days and be real effective, so you may as well use him like that.
  Then again, maybe not! Maybe you can trade him the the Yanks for Leary!

-Ron

|> 
|> Cheers,
|> -Valentine
|> -- 
|> Ob. woof: Clemens is the best pitcher ever!	tedward@cs.cornell.edu
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From: ahmad@norooz.NoSubdomain.NoDomain 
Subject: Re: Attention: Reds Fans
Reply-To: ahmad@norooz.b17a.ingr.com
Organization: " "
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:35:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.152038.3225@cis.ohio-state.edu>, miked@cis.ohio-state.edu (Michael Davey) writes:
|> 	YO! After last nights rain-out in Phiily the boys have fourty-five 
|> 	games left to play and its time to make an accurate assessment of 
|> 	their chances of overtaking the Braves.  If they continue to win two
|> 	of three, which there performance against the Padres seems to imply 
|> 	they are capable of, they will add thirty wins onto there total to   
|> 	to date.  

But their performance against Philys implies something else -:)

Go Braves

Ahmad
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From: enw2049@summa.tamu.edu (WALKE, ERIK N)
Subject: Re: Bucs questions
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Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:40:00 GMT

In article <ceWHn9S00iUyE30Y1G@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Christopher M. Ericksen" <ce10+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes...
>A few questions for the Pirates fans on the net:
> 
>1. Is Paul Wagner a legitimate prospect, worthy of protection in the
>expansion draft? 


Don't you think that any player named WAGNER deserves a long hard look
from the Pirates?!?!


>2. Where is Keith Richardson, the team's 1988 2nd round pick? He seems
>to have fallen off the face of the earth (or maybe just onto the DL?).
> 
>3. Has 1992 draft pick 2.B., OF Trey Beamon, been signed? If not, where
>is he going to go to school?
> 
>4. Exactly what position is Carlos Garcia playing at Buffalo? (I've
>heard every inf pos. but 1st).
> 
>5. Is the team still negotiating with Doug Drabek, or are they waiting
>until after the season?
> 
>Thanks in advance.
> 
>Chris Ericksen
>ce10@andrew.cmu.edu


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From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:07:24 GMT
Subject: Re: simulation games
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

In rec.sport.baseball, nss3@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Noel Steere) writes:

> Actually, PTP seems to use Range Factor [(PO + A)/Innings].  Though I
> suppose one might say that only strenghtens Marc's point :-).

The board or computer version?

> Range Factor is an improvement over Gold Glove voting (bleah!).  Omar
> Vizquel a 3.  Riiiiight.

Well, I'm sure they don't *really* use Gold Glove voting; but it does seem to
be something equally subjective.  Luckily, this is an almost trivially easy
aspect of the game to fix if you have access to something like DA - just find
the distribution of 1's, 2's, 3's, and 4's in the original cards, and reassign
them based on DA in the same distrubtion.  This might affect the ERA's on
particular teams if all of the fielders behind them were consistently overrated
or underrated, but it should "average out".

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From: mjones@fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Mike Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Mets draft protection
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:03:16 GMT
Reply-To: mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Corp. Kingston NY

In article <1992Aug19.204739.12530@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>
>And surely they have *something* left in the minors.

Yeah? Here are some tasty MLE's for Mets AAA and AA players last year (with
ages):
  Name         Age   AVG/ OBP/ SLG SB/CS
Jeromy Burnitz  23  .204/.318/.436 22/14
Chris Donnels   26  .275/.387/.402  0/4
D. J. Dozier    26  .250/.311/.363 24/12
Jeff Gardner    28  .267/.358/.316  4/5
Todd Hundley    23  .248/.313/.378  0/2
Tito Navarro    21  .266/.339/.302 31/20
Jaime Roseboro  26  .268/.325/.316  0/4
Kelvin Torve    32  .249/.349/.372  3/4

Doesn't that look *wonderful*? There's *nobody* else listed among their
AAA/AA players with *either* an OBP over .325 or SLG over .400. The only
ones I'd even *consider* protecting are Burnitz, Hundley, and Navarro. Chris
Donnels, hope you like Denver. D. J. Dozier, hope you like Miami. Actually,
I suspect they may, for reasons that aren't likely to become clear anytime
soon, protect Dozier.

   Mike Jones  |  AIX/ESA Development  |  mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com

If only one could get that wonderful feeling of accomplishment without having
to accomplish anything.
From: thurston@phyast.nhn.uoknor.edu (Tad Thurston)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: YESSSS!!! Orioles finally win one!!
Keywords: orioles, game, result
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:31:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: phyast.thurston.714353492
Distribution: usa
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch) writes:

>The Orioles narrowly avert getting swept by the M's at the Yard today, 
>pulling out a 2-1 victory in ten innings.

>The Mariners took a 1-0 lead on a sac fly by Edgar Martinez, and the O's
>anemic bats were only able to muster ONE hit off of that noted Cy
>Young contender Brian Fisher :-) through 6 2/3 innings.  The O's tied
>it in the eighth when Devereaux tripled off of reliever Jeff Nelson with two
>out.  

>Storm was in a bases-loaded, one-out jam in the ninth but got Tino Martinez
>to ground into a 1-2-3 double play.  It was typical of the Mariners in the
>game, as they stranded something like twelve baserunners in the game.  
>Sutcliffe was in trouble the whole game, but kept escaping nasty jams.
>The O's loaded the bases in the ninth, but
>Schooler escaped by getting McLemore to ground to first.

>The O's won it in the tenth on a leadoff triple by Brady Anderson, followed
>by a sac fly off the bat of Devereaux.  Storm gets the win, Schooler the loss.
>This was a BIG one, the O's are already in some trouble--they've got to make
>a move while Toronto's on the road.
>Unfortunately, the A's are in town next--it's going to be a tough series (I
>think tomorrow's matchup is Downs-Mussina, so we should be able to get the
>first)

>..and the Jays are trailing the Brewers
>5-1 in the third!! Looks like more quality pitching from the Jays rotation :-)

>Oh, by the way, in my daily "Mike Flanagan Sucks Toads" department--Flanny
>gave up 3 hits in the 2/3 of an inning he pitched last night. Olson bailed
>him out, keeping Flanagan's ERA at a downright Acker-Like 7.55.  Expect
>the Human Batting Tee to be released next week when Mark Williamson
>is activated.


What was wrong with Williamson in the first place?  He had more or less 
a good year last year, and he seemed to disappear at the beginning of this
year...was it injury?

I heard Bob Milacki is doing great in his AAA assignment---something like 
5-0...

 
 
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"Slower than Sam Horn"????

This I've gotta see...the nearest I can imagine is watching Cecil Fielder
beat out a long single off the wall!!!

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From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:53:38 GMT
Subject: Re: St. Petersburg Giants?  Say it aint so!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

It's kind of amazing to me the length of network delays here - I am still,
on Wednesday, August 12, getting notes that say "I just found out the Giants
may be moving to St. Petersburg", which was announced several days ago.  But
what's more amazing is the number of people who don't seem to realize this,
and continue to make such posts...

Let's see, the rumor that Tommy Lasorda may take over as manager of the Giants
when they move was leaked three days ago, by my count.  I'm still getting
notes here that report of the first hearing of the Lasorda/Marlins rumors;
I expect the Lasorda/Giants postings to start showing up here sometime this
weekend.  Sigh.

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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: What's a cycle?
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:23:42 GMT

In article <UeYXDCX0Bwxd5VmbxN@transarc.com> Ken_Ziolkowski@transarc.com writes:
>
>
>  In Pittsburgh, a cycle is when:
>
>  Jeff King gets a single, a double, a triple
>  and a home run in the same month.

This happened at least once: August of 1990.

>  Jose Lind gets a single, a double, a triple
>  and a home run in the same year.

This has happened every year Lind has been in the majors but one; in 1987,
when he was a late-season callup, Lind didn't manage a home run in 143 abs.
He did hit 4 triples, though.  

Sherri Nichols
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From: rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez)
Subject: Suncoast dome? (Re: bye bye san fran!!! hello tampa bay)
Keywords: eat more orange moose
Organization: The Hosequarium South
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:56:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.153900.29400@bradley.bradley.edu>, dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:

|> hell would you know how good the Suncoast dome is for baseball anyway?  No 
|> one's played baseball in it, have they?  The arena footballers seem to have 
|> no problem with it....
|> 

eep.  Arena football and MLB in the same thought.

Imminent death of the network predicted, 13:58 CDT, 8/13/92.

Seriously...ALL I've heard about the suncoast dome is how 
unsuited for baseball it really is.  Somebody, anybody with
knowledge please enlighten the rest of us...

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