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From: frnk@cs1.bradley.edu (Paul Ondercin)
Subject: Re: Judgemental people (was Re: Enya nude??)
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:18:55 GMT

In <1992Aug25.175426.28080@cs.ucla.edu> salomone@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (John ($al) Salomone) writes:

>And also, whoever (I think some guy named FRANK) keeps saying that this is his
>group should GET OVER HIMSELF.  No one _owns_ this group.  If we want to
>discuss something, we will.
   I consider this my home group. I don't like it when someone comes in
and tries to start arguments. I didn't say I "own" this goup, I called
it mine because of the work I did to bring it about. (I was fighting
in news.groups a month before this alt group was created. I'm also
planning on another way to get rec.music.enya created.)

   Also, discuss whatever you want. But don't expect me to stand by when
someone says such things about Enya. How many lawsuits a month does the
National Enquirer go through about people telling the same kinds of lies?
I'm not moderateing this group, I'm just defending Enya. And I do know
as a fact that those are lies.

	 Frnk. ( Attemptor of rec.music.enya, planning on
                 rec.music.artist.enya, rec.music.artist.beatles... )

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From: ucapbap@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Andrew Phillips)
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
Subject: indigo girls
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:57:47 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

Suitably chastened, (by about 6 mail messages worth) 
  I am informed by various correspondents that the indigo girls
 are from america. I suspect I am being led up the garden path in
 a pleasant sort of way. Still I like the stuff I have heard so far.
  Can anyone recommend similar bands/performers?

  Anyone know what Donal Lunny is up to these days? 

  cheers,
	Andy

 reminded for some reason of when a `Get-A-Lifer' appeared on the 
 vampyre mailing list. One reply was `I have had several this evening
 >belch<  already - you volunteering? ' :-)
From: miliu@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (zaphod beeblebrox)
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
Subject: new-age
Date: 26 Aug 92 06:46:39 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <frnk.714769383@cs1.bradley.edu> frnk@cs1.bradley.edu (Paul Ondercin) writes:
>   2) We are not "new-age". If you were a lurker you would have known that
>      very few people consider Enya "new-age". There has also been many
>      debates on why some stores put Enya under "new-age", and on what
>      class she should actually be under.

I hold the CD "Enya" in my hand, and what do I see, but the words
"New Age" on it.  These two words are repeated once on the liner
notes and once on the back of the case.  In music stores, Enya CDs
are in the section labeled "Pop/Rock."  Who decides these things?  I
have my personal label:  "Good Music/Something I Would Buy."

>   3) Enya has never done any of the filth that you say she has. She
>      would not (and don't push american values on her. She is not american)
>      and never was in a situation where she would have to resort to 
>      anything of that sort.

Let us say to these perpetuators, "I do not believe what you have
stated.  Can you prove it to me with solid evidence?"  They will
have to put up or shut up.  If they shut up, mission accomplished,
have a nice day.  If they put up [solid evidence:  videos, published
text. . . ], well. . . [shrug]

			Zaphod 
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
From: wgs1@ra.msstate.edu (Walter G. Seefeld)
Subject: Re: Everyone here needs to mature!
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:29:03 GMT

This is NOT a flame in response to the previous post.  It's just a word of
defense for our friend "frnk."

I have seen several people lash out at frnk's "Leave my group alone" comment.
Lots of these people were people that I expected to fall on the other side of
the fence.  If I understand frnk, I believe his intentions were none but the
best.  This is OUR group and frnk is one of US.  His possesive tone was 
directed at people that he belived were considered unwelcome by the majority
of us.

In short, I think his comment was made in much the same way as that of a
protective brother who says "Leave my family alone" to someone who is not
part of the family.

Technically, this group is open to comment from anyone who cares to do so,
but surely you won't deny that a sense of family was developing around
the centerpiece of the music we all enjoy.  

-- 
Walter G. Seefeld                  wgs1@ra.msstate.edu
940 N. Jackson St. #1A             (601) 323-8369
Starkville, MS 39759               N5QXR

Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
From: wilkinsonm@skyfox.usask.ca
Subject: RE: thanks for the Ciani info!
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:54:26 GMT

Robert Lau writes:  Funny, nobody's mentioned her last album, Hotel Luna.

I didn't know the name, but I knew there was one out there.  I live in a
cultural backwash (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan) so we don't get a lot of
good new music out here.  I only heard roumors (Keyboard magazine) that
there ws a new one on it's way - I'll have to drive out to Edmonton to
get myself a copy!

Thanks for the review!  I agree - her sound is much better since she stopped
fiddling with synth-wind gusts and ocean-wave sounds... Melodies are a much
better selling point!

mark Wilkinson
From: mock@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Kenrick Mock)
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
Subject: Re: Everyone here needs to mature!
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:39:03 GMT
Organization: U.C. Davis - Department of Electrical Engineering

Now, I am all for free speech...and y'all are entitled to your
fantasies...but the wild rumours (progressively getting wilder -
starting with enya in porn and now enya was a man? ) are a bit much.
This would be better suited for something like the National Enquirer
or your favorite tabloid newsgroup.


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Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
From: shaun@octel.com (Attacking Deep Structure)
Subject: Re: rec.music.ARTIST.enya?
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:52:21 GMT

In article <frnk.715446792@cs1.bradley.edu> frnk@cssun1.bradley.edu (Paul Ondercin) writes:
[Various flames and stupidty follow]
>
>   Flameing makes you look bad. Especially when you've missed the point.
>	 Frnk. (Working on rec.music.artist.enya AND a rec.music reorganization)

Oh man, every time I read one of your posts, I just hope that some freak
of nature will occur and flatten, disable, or disintegrate you before you
post again.  I personally find the "hooter" conversation enlightening and
stimulating and find your plans, ideas, spelling, name, and boneheaded
end-of-article summaries to be insipid, stupid, and pointless.

You can count on a NO vote from me.

ObEnya:

So, Mr. Clow--where can I get these bootlegs?

//Shaun
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Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
From: scarruth@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kai'ckul)
Subject: Re: Enya undergone Gender Reassignment??!?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 00:09:14 GMT

In article <17u75gINNg5g@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> banshee@cats.ucsc.edu (Wailer
at the Gates of Dawn) writes:
>
>	I heard on a local gay/lesbian/alternative radio show something about
>Enya having undergone "gender reassignment".  Is this true?  Was enya on
e 
>male?  Perhaps the people seeking "her" porno movies have been barking u
 the
>wrong tree.
>
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I already told you people, she used to be Jimmy Somerville!

Sean

Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
From: wgs1@ra.msstate.edu (Walter G. Seefeld)
Subject: Re: thanks for the Ciani info!
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:35:10 GMT

In article <25AUG92.19084690@skyfox.usask.ca> wilkinsonm@skyfox.usask.ca writes:
>In response to Ciani info
>
>album.  (to be absolutely honest... I don't like Enya's early stuff... to
>many high tech tricks and less emphasis on melody... but she keeps getting
>better!  I hope this doesn't offend any DIE HARD fans out there :-)
>
Not me.  I do like her earlier music, and I am a DIE HARD Enya fan.  But I
can see why you feel the way you do.  Honest opinions are welcome, as far
as I'm concerned.

>Do you think that music of this type appeals to a wide range of people or
>are all of us 'fans' from a similar background?  I am a graduate student
>(Genetics) at the University of Saskatchewan... what do the other
>people on the net do?
>
My guess is that it appeals to a very wide range of people, but I am just
as interested as you are in finding out.  How about an introduction file.
We could each email a small introduction (including email name and real name)
to one location to be compiled to a file and posted after a couple of weeks.
I know this is not a first grade classroom, but I would like to know more
about the group.  Maybe 3 or 4 lines saying where you are, what you do, and
what other interests you have (and anything else you want to say for the 
record).  I volunteer to compile this directory file, if the group is 
interested.  Just keep the size down, and put something like 
"A.M.E. directory" on the subject line so I can differentiate.

If everyone thinks it's a silly idea, just ignore it.  I'll take the hint.


>I dreamt I dwelt in Marble halls... then I became a grad student...

That's cute.
-- 
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940 N. Jackson St. #1A             (601) 323-8369
Starkville, MS 39759               N5QXR
From: banshee@cats.ucsc.edu (Wailer at the Gates of Dawn)
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
Subject: Re: Enya nude??
Date: 29 Aug 92 10:16:37 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


frnk@cs1.bradley.edu (Paul Ondercin) writes:
>   3) Enya has never done any of the filth that you say she has. She
>      would not (and don't push american values on her. She is not american)
>      and never was in a situation where she would have to resort to 
>      anything of that sort.
OH SURE!  And I suppose its all thanks to her high level of family values, 
right?  HOW DARE YOU CONDEMN ANYONES ACTIONS AS FILTH?  AND HOW DARE YOU
MAKE ANY ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT AMERICANS!  At least we're not locked on some
island with a lot of whiskey and sheep!  Sheeesh.  Some people don't know
when not to play the hypocrite...

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From: banshee@cats.ucsc.edu (Wailer at the Gates of Dawn)
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
Subject: Re: Enya nude??
Date: 29 Aug 92 10:02:29 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris'n'Vickie of Chicago) writes:
>Get some self-respect guys. It's hard, I know, but it can be done.
>It would seem from your posts that you think only males like Enya
>and then only because of the way she looks. I realize you wouldn't
>understand the concept of "good music" but it is what we all listen
>to Enya for. I think she's pretty too. So what? Fans may slobber
>all over her, and part of it may be because she's pretty, but I
>doubt they'd stay with her very long if they thought the music sucked.

You are discounting the Appolonia effect.  Funny though, Samantha Fox did it
all the other way about; she was a porn actress who went into music for a new
career move while Enya used it as a purely financial gain.

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Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
From: wilkinsonm@skyfox.usask.ca
Subject: time out guys/girls! T
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:16:44 GMT


Good Morning!

        I have to say that I am feeling quite discouraged this morning - I
wasn't until I read this mornings postings and realized that this is not a
situation that is going to diffuse itself (Kinda like Yugoslavia... there's
a lot of anger going around this group).

        I want to pick up on the two postings this morning as examples of
what is perpetuating these 'fights'... I am not trying to act as a
peace moderator or anything, just trying to steer this group in the
right direction to find it's own way to reconcilliation.

        The Posting Subject, "Everyone here needs to mature":  The
problem with using inclusive language (everyone, always, never etc.)
is that it invariably makes the statement false.  NOT everyone using
this board needs to mature - and to say so will simply bring the people
who have been AVIODING this argument right into the fray as they attempt
to defend themselves.  I suggest that people consider in future postings
to speak ONLY for themselves, or to pick out their disagreement with the
ONE person they are disagreeing with.  There are many people who read this
board, and many of them have (thankfully) avoided getting involved.  So I
make a genuine sincere request that we stop voicing these arguments as
'us' against 'them' and realize that there are very few people arguing
on this board compared to the number that read it.  Thus when you include
me in your 'us/we' statement you have done so without consulting MY opinion.

        The Posting Subject, "Angry Flames, sorry":  I think that we keep
begging the question by asking 'why?' are the 'pro-enya-nude' people
posting to this group.  The answer?  just look at the last 50 postings!
Have you ever seen the board this active?  I am new to the board, but I
would guess (by the number of NON-enya-nude postings that I have read) that
in general this board sees little traffic.  If *I* was trying to get some
entertainment by antagonising someone and they were responding so wonderfully
and consistently I certainly wouldn't stop antagonising them either!!(would
you?)  It seems to me that the solution is obvious - and *ASKING* the
'enya-nude' people to go away is certainly not the solution.  the entire
issue is being fed by the reactions of individual members of this board
as they reach their tolerance limits and publicly blow up!  (great
entertainment value - right!?)  I urge the group, as individuals, to
suppress your anger at what you are reading, and allow the perpetrators
to 'starve' for lack of interest/excitement.  to continue responding
will only accentuate the situation.

I hope I haven't stepped on any toes here - just giving my two cents

Mark Wilkinson
"WilkinsonM@Sask.USask.CA"
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
From: wilkinsonm@skyfox.usask.ca
Subject: IMHO: 'on your shore'
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:24:26 GMT

thanks for the info - I had no idea that she had published an explanation for
the song!  (Gee do I feel dumb!)

thanks also for providing YOUR interpretation!  I also have a possible
alternate:  It seems to me that this is a song about death.  In my mind,
she is dying, but is not completely aware of what is happening to her -
the only thing she is aware of is the gradual loss of her body as it dies
(and she is feeling it dying) and at the same time the trip over the
'proverbial river' separating this life from the afterlife where she sees
a loved one waiting for her.  During the trip accross the river she sees
her past being replayed (the proverbial 'life flashing before her eyes').
Let me support this with a few quotes:  "strange how my heart beats", and
"Cool waves wash over", and "strange how I falter" could all be references to
the feeling of dying.   "...and drift away with dreams of youth", "days and
nights falling by me", and soft blue horizons reach far away into my child-hood
days" could all be references to the experience of reliving her life.  Finally,
she accepts death and the comfort of her loved one, "to find myself upon your
shore", "I cannot hold you long enough", "this is where I shoudl be now",
might be examples of this.

are there any other interpretations?  I would love to hear them!

Just off topic for a second - lets spare a thought for the people who
are victims of the hurricane.  I realize that this isnt the correct forum
for this, but out of a sense of humanity I felt obligated to mention it.

Mark Wilkinson
"WilkinsonM@Sask.USask.CA"

-purposely ignoring the 'enya nude' postings
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 19:28:16 MDT
From: mtt@alaska.et.byu.edu (Dave Stirling)
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
Subject: Re: nude??
Reply-To: mtt@alaska.caedm.byu.edu

cahduns@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Henry Dunsmore) writes:

> In article <BtH8oE.EEK@chinet.chi.il.us> katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris'n'Vickie of Chicago) writes:


> Perhaps you could recommend some Enya-topics that would be more suitable and
> informative and get this usergroup back on track?

Good idea.  I for one have something I've been curious about for a
while... What kinda keyboards (besides the regular piano) does Enya
use?  

--
Dave Stirling				 
email: mtt@alaska.caedm.byu.edu		...standard disclaimers apply...
From: mock@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Kenrick Mock)
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
Subject: Re: Indigo Girls
Keywords: Donegal - indigo girls
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:35:26 GMT
Organization: U.C. Davis - Department of Electrical Engineering

In article <1992Sep02.101316.22689@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> ucapbap@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Andrew Phillips) writes:
>
>  ``You don't like Enya do you? ..... but its crap...... You will like
>  the Indigo girls then.....''
>

I happen to like the Indigo Girls quite a bit, and just saw them in
concert at the California State Fair this last weekend.  As implied, they
are totally un-enyalike.  I can't see much comparison at all, other
than they are both female :)  The Indigo Girls play mainly folk-rock
with fairly conventional guitar, drums, etc.  

I do suggest you check out their latest production, "Rites of
Passage", which includes "Galileo" and "Joking", two of their popular
songs.

Of course, I happen to like Enya and Indigo Girls both :)

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Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: Enya nude??
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:45:39 GMT

"Peter A. Simon" <ps3p+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris'n'Vickie of Chicago) write:

>>It would seem from your posts that you think only males like Enya
>>and then only because of the way she looks. I realize you wouldn't
>>understand the concept of "good music" but it is what we all listen
>>to Enya for. I think she's pretty too. So what? Fans may slobber
>>all over her, and part of it may be because she's pretty, but I
>>doubt they'd stay with her very long if they thought the music sucked.
>> 
>>If you don't like it, that's fine. Not everybody likes everything
>>and she's certainly not for everybody. I just wonder why you get
>>your mental masterbation from posting such sexist crap. The
>>possibilities are endless, the imagination soars...
>> 
>>Also, I know that there were other people involved in starting this
>>thread. The above goes for them too. What I don't understand are the
>>people who seemed to take these posts seriously. It's hard to believe
>>that anyone could be that gullible. Ah, but then, I live in Reagan/Bush
>>country, so I shouldn't be suprised.


>There is absolutely nothing in what Pete writes that indicates that he
>*only* likes the way she looks or that he doesn't understand good music.
> You're indulging in typical female illogic drawing those conclusions
>from his posts.

>The only sexism I've seen is from you.  Why couldn't women be interested
>in/get turned on by Enya's breasts as well as men?  Your assumption that
>this is a "male only" thing sounds like pure Bushism.

>-peter 

My condiments exactly.  I'll bet the majority of people who would like to view
Enya's breasts head-on haven't even spoken yet.
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From: dingelde@igd.fhg.de (Dennis Dingeldein)
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
Subject: "Nude" picture is "Tigger" from "Winnie Pooh"
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:33:37 GMT

Hi
This is to all those unable/willing to examine the picture. The
subject says it all. 

Dennis

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From: cpatil@leland.Stanford.EDU (Christopher Kashina Patil)
Subject: Translations wanted
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 22:13:11 GMT


	I would very much like to find English translations of the lyrics to
those of Enya's songs that are in what we Americans call Gaelic (and, from 
what I hear, the Irish just call "Irish"). Possibilities include:

1. Those who already possess such translations could mail them to me; or
2. Someone who is/knows a scholar of Irish could mail me and tell me who to
ask; or
3. If some company already publishes translations of her songs, someone could
notify me of that.

I'm not incredibly particular about _which_ songs I can get translated, al-
though the ones that piqued my interest were "Na Laetha Geal M'Oige" and 
"Ebudae." (Pardon my spelling if that was wrong.)

Thanks a million.

Just in case that damn .sig thing doesn't work, my address is
cpatil@leland.stanford.edu

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