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From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: AAAHHH!  Interracial dating.. again?  Why?
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:48:14 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: UB

In article <5901@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> 6500ursa@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Disco Junkie) writes:
>  90% of the asian men who complain about asian women dating white men would 
>  be silenced should a white woman fall in love with them!

Of course, everybody has the right to be jealous when they're getting
the shorter end of the ratio

>In other words, I honestly wonder if most of the complaints about interracial
>dating is because white women have rejected asian men, rather than asian

Let's blame this one on hollywood again

>  up.  Are all these people complaining about interracial dating because the 
>  asian women are doing it at a much more successful rate than the men?  

Yup

>- Asian men are seen as more studly if they've been able to go out with a
>  white woman.

Not really, they're usually seen as a second-third generation asian who
speaks only english and has no connection with fresh blood asians except
for the ancestry

>- There are LOTS of single attractive black women available.  Why are the
>  asian men not viciously complaining about black women not going for them ? 

It should also be noted that in mainland U.S. Blacks are usually the most
blatant in prejudicing against asians

>look at WHY we are condemning them.  Is it because we secretly deep down 
>prefer white too?  Think about that before you cast those stones.

Everybody wants to join in the mainstream, and marrying a white is probably
the easiest way to do it in the U.S.
(the other, of course, it to make a lot of money)

NW
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: shaw@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw)
Subject: Re: Sex, Power and the Decline of the White American Male [LONG]
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science, Cambridge, Mass.
	<SHAW.92Oct4204105@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu>
	<1992Oct6.190526.9818@tcsi.com>
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:47:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.190526.9818@tcsi.com> gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu) writes:
	Still, I really don't think this will actually come to happen.
   Sure, a small cult following of white floosies willing to chase Japanese
   businessmen might develop, but this is merely because there are always
   women willing to chase money.  In addition, I'm not willing to write
   America off as a has-been, third world country.

If you've never been to Japan, I think it's difficult to understand the
degree to which the US is _already_ way behind.  If we don't get our shit
in gear soon, we're going to be in *big* trouble.

As for the possibility of Asian men becoming more attractive than white
men, don't let your preconceptions hold you back.  Twenty years ago, the
idea of a popular black sex symbol was silly -- ten years ago, they
wouldn't even play Michael Jackson songs on "white" radio stations.  Now,
you'll have plenty of people of all races willing to say that they find
Prince or Janet Jackson attractive.

We're going to be seeing a hell of a lot of things in the next ten years
that you've never seen before -- this could be one of them, and you heard
it here first!

To me, it's clear that the people in power make the images which define
attractiveness, and that power is related to money.  It's not that rich
people are automatically attractive, but there's a high correlation between
having money, and being able to appear attractive.  And the ideal of beauty
is defined by the group in power, who make it an idealization of
themselves.  With the combination of the rapidly rising Asian countries,
and the injection into the American mainstream of the first major wave of
Asian-American college grads (which has just started, and which will not
slow down) there is going to be a demand for an new ideal of beauty (both
male and female) which mirrors those groups.  That's just an economic
reality.

-Andy
From: wallace@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (wallace matthew m)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: date outside your race
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:56:26 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

I don't see why everyone is making a big deal out of dating another race.
The school I attendend has alot of interacial dating and everyone accepts
it.  I just can't see why some people on this net can't.  Well those
people can just go f*&k themselvies.  
From: patw@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Patsy Wang)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1992 22:55:55 GMT
Subject: Re: "Asian-Americans..."
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american

> >> This is a ludicrous comment, given that I've never identified my
> >> ethnicity on this network and that I've never met Ms. Patsy Wang.
> >Geez Dwight, we're not stupid.  We don't need for you to stand up 
> >and shout out your ethnicity.  Your last name gives a clue.  The
> 
> This is a ludicrous comment.  I could be an African-American who
> was adopted.
> 

Fine, we'll play it your way.  I happen to know someone who's met 
you.  You're a tall Chinese-American.  You have a brother by the
name of Truman, and obviously you two are not very close.

Now are you satisfied?  I was doing you a favor by not going out
and outright saying it.
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Montel Williams Show (Re: Hoyt Sze will be on TV!
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:56:15 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Distribution: na
Organization: The Bates Motel

wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY) writes:

>there is frequently some resentment on the part of Asian-American men
>towards Asian-American women having to do with interracial relationships.
>
>Why should there be such a sentiment? Then again, am I misreading something?
>Anyone care to enlighten me?

Actually, the resentment comes from the reality or perception that:

1. Most Asian-American women can get dates with white men whether they'd
   prefer it or not, and many seem open to it;

2. Asian-American men can't get dates with white women whether they'd
   prefer it or not; and,

3. Many Asian-American women's preference to dates with white men will
   preclude any opportunities for Asian-American men who'd prefer them.

These are gross generalizations, of course ...

Luckily, I haven't had that problem (#2, maybe #3) to the extent
reported by other people ... (-;  (Conversely, I don't have any
problems with who dates whom ...)

gld
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Hoyt Sze will be on TV!
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 17:22:42 GMT

In article <1a9315INNs8o@agate.berkeley.edu> c60b-1gs@e260-1a.berkeley.edu
(Allen Tom) writes:
>>...
>>	I was talking to Judy Tseng the other day, and she mentioned
>>that Hoyt Sze (former militant Asian-American Cal columnist) is
>>supposed to be on the Montel Williams Show this Tuesday (Sept 29).
>Wow, Hoyt Sze lives! The Daily Cal just hasn;t been the saame since he
>left. 
>When is the Montel Williams Show and what channel? (in the bay area)
>I've never heard of it...

Try Channel 44 at 11:30 pm.

The Montel Williams Show is just 1 of several brainless talk shows:
Vicki!, Oprah, Geraldo, Rivers, Jerry Springer (?), Whoopi plus 1, etc.
Donahue may not be quite that brainless, though.

Speaking of Mr. Sze, I suspect that he is a Chinese-cu demagogue.
One of the better ways to respond to his "intellectual" columns
is to write one calling for marrages between Western-cu men and
Chinese-cu women from China.  This should sufficiently infuriate him
to let him know that "we" are "on to him".

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From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Magazines for the Asian Americans
Summary: Magazines
Keywords: magazines for the Asian Americans
Date: 4 Oct 92 02:52:08 GMT
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA

Here are the info for the Asian American newspaper/magazines that 
I am awared of:

(1) AsianWeek - weekly newspaper. $25/year.  They have also published a
		special booklet called "Asians in America" based on the
		1990 Census and it costs $15 for the first copy and $10
		for each additional copy.  You can mail your check to 
		809 Sacramento St., San Francisco, 
		CA 94180 or you can call them at (415)397-0220.

(2) A. Magazine - quaterly printed magazine. $10 for 4 issues.  their 
		address is: Metro East Publications, Inc. 527 Third 
		Avenue, Suite 289,, New York, NY 10016-9991.  Their phone 
		number is (212)505-2077.  If you write to the editor, you
		can receive a special A. Magazine T-shirt.  It will be good
		if we can lure these people to soc.culture.asian.amerian and
		we can all get a new T-shirt everyday. :)

(3) TransPacific - 6 issues per year. $5.95/copy or $29/year.  Visa and Master
		card accepted.  You can send your name an address to:
		TMI Subscriptions, 23715 W. Malibu Road, No. 390, 
		Malibu, CA 90265-9986 or you can also reach them at 
		1-800-888-8723.  Money back gurantee.

(4) FACE - Specially designed for Asian woman.  Six big issues. $36/year. 
		Contact address is the same as TransPacific.	

(5) Asian Travel & Nightlife - 12 issues per year for $59.  Contact address
		is the same as TransPacific.

	Contrary to everyone's disclaimer, I am going to tell you that I 
am related to all these magazines.  I am related because I am an Asian 
and proud of it.  I am very glad that there are publishers out there 
who devoted their time and efforts to come out with publications that are 
tailored to the Asian American market and I ask everyone to at least 
subscribe to one of the magazines because without our support, these newspaper 
and magazines WILL die - from what I have seen, A. Magazine is the 
most vulnerable one and it is also my favourite choice.  I would hate
to see it die.  Also a bigger customer base will allow these magazines to
publish more frequently.  Please support these magazines so they can 
support you.  Thank you.
-- 
John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)           - No news is bad news.
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: down 18
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:39:59 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

In article <1992Sep25.122328.43333@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, pickert@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
|> Any Lao speakers/readers/writers/linguists out there?  I'm stumped for 
|> decent material in or on Lao.  We have a bunch of Lao speakers here in 
|> Kansas , but little in the way of supportive material for school kids,
|> teachers, and others.  Khoi hien pasa lao, but its a slow process.  I'd like to
|> learn about Lao people in higher ed--people I can put some high school 
|> students in touch with.  Few role models out there, and lots of lao kids end up
|> dropping out, or not knowing what their options are.  I mess about with
|> bilingula educaiton for the State of Kansas.  Your ideas might help some kids,
|> so send 'em on.
|> Im at  ERICKSON @ KANUVM  or pickert @ kuhub.cc.ukans.edu

Here in San Diego Lao and Hmong children learn English just fine when they are
put into classes where English is the first language.  In San Diego the
Hmong do better than average in school.  The Lao and Hmong I have
observed get into trouble was because of family/peer/cultural pressures.
Language is not a problem.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
From: timlee@public.btr.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Glass ceiling (was Re: Census report)
Date: 26 Sep 92 17:24:56 GMT
Reply-To: timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american

lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam) writes:
|In article <92268.090017U58402@uicvm.uic.edu> U58402@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
|>
|>On a related subject, does anyone have any information on the "glass
|>ceiling" effect on AA's? Many of my friends are aware of its prevalence
|                      I have worked in various business sectors within
|my company (semiconductor, cellular, communications) and noticed that
|there aren't many older AA engineers around.  Most AA engineers are in
|their 20's and 30's and I sometime I wonder what would happen to them
|when they get older and face the obsticles trying to move up into
|management rank.  

Don't forget that many people do NOT want to move out of their
chosen field and into management/administration.  However, career
advancement often depends on moving into management/administration,
since that class of employees is the one that controls pay, promotions,
hiring, bonuses, etc.  This glass ceiling applies to people of all
races and is detrimental to business as a whole (competent engineers
and other workers are pressured into becoming managers even though
it isn't what they want to do or what they are best at, so their
skills are wasted).

Whether this effect affects Asian American people to a larger or
smaller degree I can't say.

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From: rand@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Randy Ison)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Genetic question misunderstood
Summary: It appears that genetics is viewed objectively as long as
	 humans are not studied.
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:57:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.204241.13861@seas.gwu.edu>, claypool@seas.gwu.edu (Hyok H. Lee) writes:
> It seemed to me that everyone who responded to my speculative article
> did not properly understand my point.  I think that there is a harmful
> atmosphere in the US that makes it absolutely taboo to even discuss
> racial differences.  In the magazine article that I referred to, it
> mentioned that many scientists would speak off the record on the subject,
> but all shyed away from being quoted.  They were afraid of being, as one
> person who responded to my article said I was being, flamebaits.
> 
> Hyok Lee

It appears that genetics is viewed as an objective science as long as
it does not inquire about human intelligence or physical ability.

The "Atlantic" magazine recently indirectly addressed the question
of "nature verses nurture" in its September issue concerning adoption.

							Randy Ison


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From: phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Have no need to fear ... was Re: Freedom of Speech
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:10:06 +1000
Organization: Monash University - Melbourne. Australia.

In article <1992Sep26.232656.23607@leland.Stanford.EDU>, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

> In article <KYTAN.92Sep24111927@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com>
> kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan) writes:

>>In article <1992Sep22.221303.10884@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>>
>>>  [More Dwight Joe propaganda]

>>Chinese culture tends to support the "elders are wiser and always correct"
>>mentality.  It is based on Confucianism.  This is not necessarily the best way
>>but that's the way it is.  Screaming about obliterating Chinese culture (a
>>culture that has close to 800 million adherents) is pissing in the wind at
>>best.

> Let's do some word substitution.  Chinese culture <-> Nazism
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
But, Dwight, it is ONLY YOU that is making such a stupid connection
within your fevered little mind.

> 800 million <-> 40 million.  So, in 1939, we have Mr. Tan saying,
> 
>    Screaming about obliterating Nazism (a culture that has
>    close to 40 million adherents) is pissing in the wind at best.

Word games now, Dwight?  Surely you can do better than this.
Why don't you add to the discussion instead of just repeating yourself
like a broken record?  Here's something you can work on ...

How about explaining (properly) what YOU MEAN by "Chinese-culture"?

> Yes.  That would be the sort of stuff that a Chinese-cu would say.
> I suspect that the victims of Nazism think differently as do victims
> of Chinese-cu culture.

... and that is the same old stuff I expect you to say.

> By the way, being right is not a popularity contest.  (not that a
> Chinese-cu or a Nazi could understand....)

(I won't comment on Chinese-cu since I don't understand what you mean,
but ...)

On the contrary.  I feel a NAZI would understand.  They consider
themselves to be perfectly correct and don't care if it isn't
popular to the world at large.  They will continue to write
(and believe in) their own propaganda no matter how many
people disagree with them.  (*** Sound familiar, Dwight? ***)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american
From: ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis)
Subject: Re: Racist Webster's New World Encyclopedia
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:16:39 GMT

In article <66614@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>Somebody just dropped off a review copy of Webster's New World Encyclopedia
>at work. It's one of those one-volume jobs, and just for laughs, I decided
>to see if I could find any Asian-Americans in it. The only ones I could
>find were An Wang, Sam Ting (physicist) and I.M. Pei (architect). There are
>no Asian-Am politicians (S.I. Hayakawa or Dan Inoueye didn't make it), no
>Asian-Am authours (Amy Tan and Maxine Hong Kingston didn't make it), and
>no actors. In contrast, it did have Martin Luther King, Marcus Garvey,
>Malcolm X, and Fredrick Douglass, and Baldwin. I'll bet Crispus Attucks
>is there as well. Does that mean that the encyclopedia is biased towards
>African Americans, and deliberately implies that there were no Asian American
>
arthur, you're a total idiot and an ass.  you're picking your bone with
the wrong people.  the fact that you have concluded that there is a
dearth of asian-americans in the webster's encyclopedia is *much* more
likely to be due to the actions of white americans [some, not all moron]
who tend to control the content of such publications.

this posting is too stupid to justify further comment...


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: andrew@ice.TTI.COM (too cold)
Subject: Re: Kristi gets the "Q"
Reply-To: andrew@ice.TTI.COM (too cold)
Organization: Transaction Technology, Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:15:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.170743.1524@clipper.ingr.com>,
jimmy@clipper.ingr.com (Jimmy Blair) writes:
> 
> 	Kristi's almost the cheesiest!
> 
> 	Kristi Yamaguchi, ya'll might be interested to know,
> 	got the third highest "Q" rating among sports celebrities.
> 	The two who scored higher than her were 1. Michael Jordan
> 	and 2. Nolan Ryan.  Q is an index that measures how well
> 	someone is recognized and liked by the general public.
> 	It is used by advertisers to determine which celebs to use
> 	to endorse their products and how much to pay them.


This is great, but what is the source of this rating?  Also,
if it was within an article or something, what explanation was
used for the lack of advertising deals for her?

I'm not doubting you, I'm just curious. :)

Andrew
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From: ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Racist Webster's New World Encyclopedia
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:36:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <66917@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>On the other hand, a lot of complaint letters might get at least a few more
>Asian Americans into the book simply because they didn't think that it was
>worth mentioning the top 1 or 2 Asian-Am politicans or writers. Crispus
>Attucks is famous ONLY because he was black, not because what he did was
>outstanding (died in the Boston Massacre, but he's the only one whose name
>anybody remembers, yet he's held as high as George Washington in some
>circles and Jesse Jackson)
>
well, i contend that crispus attucks is *less* famous than he could have
been ONLY because he was black.  crispus attucks was, in a sense, the
first person to die in the american revolution but he's not considered
the "father" of the revolution, there's no mythology surrounding him ["
i cannot tell a lie"], there are no national, or state capitals named 
after him, and there are no famous "midnight ride" [of paul revere] yarns 
about him.  it seems that the most that is made of crispus attucks is as one
of those interesting facts thrown around during black history month.  i
contend that were crispus attucks *white* he would be held up there with
the so-called "fathers" of this nation.

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