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From: bhaskar@brtph139.bnr.ca (Shaji Bhaskar)
Subject: Re: Advise for the Tamil net
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 19:26:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.162044.29408@ssd.dl.nec.com> murthy@ssd.dl.nec.com (Vasudev Murthy) writes:
>In article <1992Apr17.154715.5009@mercury.unt.edu> fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan) writes:
[stuff deleted]
>>............................................. I believe
>>that many of the problems of India result from repressive
>>policies that force "unity" down peoples throats, not allowing
>>the diverse people of our country to truly enjoy that freedom
>>and "unity in diversity". - Ganesh
>
>Please explain how you have suffered and what you have
>lost in life due to the repressive policies you speak
>of. And also what you may have (perhaps inadverantly) gained.
>

Let me pick an example.

Fifty percent of my state government's budget is spent on education.
Although I dont have exact figures, I would guess a tenth of the
amount goes to teaching Hindi.  That is 5% of the budget.

I doubt If even one in ten of the people in Kerala have the NEED to speak 
Hindi once in a year.  This expense  and many others (printing Hindi forms, 
translating documents to/from Hindi) a gross waste of money.  This money is 
much better spent on the other main expense of the state government: health
care.

What have I gained from Hindi being taught in the schools?  I found it
a little easier to communicate with some pepole when I was working in
Bombay.  Was it worth it? For me as an individual, maybe.  For the
state as a whole - I think not.

Shaji Bhaskar
bhaskar@bnr.ca


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From: kumar@duck.ncsc.org (Ashwini Kumar [Gupta])
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Another try: tax questions
Keywords: tax treaty
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:50:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: speedy.3508
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Carolina Supercomputing Center

Sorry for repeating my questions...I did not get any replies
and thus not sure whether my message reached to the NET..

        About two year clause: technically I qualify..Jan 7, 1991 to
        Dec 31, 1992.  What if I stay beyond, I will have to return
        the money to Uncle Sam..What's about interest and penalities ?
        I have been working on H-1 and university  refunded all the federal
        and state tax for 1991 as per treaty.

        Can I claim my wife (married on Dec 27, 1991 in India) on 1040
        (1040NR doesnot permit dependents..last year I filed 1040EZ and
        before that 1040NR for four years) ?

please e-mail your reply to kumar@ncsc.org (reply option)

thanks

--
ashwini kumar				(919) 515-3672 or 3604 (work)  
post doc in food engineering		      851-5829 (sleepy voice)    
north carolina state university               kumar@ncsc.org
raleigh, nc 27695-7624
From: rags@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Raghavan Jayaraman)
Subject: Bardic poems of Sangam Period
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:15:57 GMT

In one of my replies to posts on Hindu scriptures I wrote about four
castes [kudi] mentioned in the tamil bardic poems of sangam age which are
different from present day divisions. Here are some more informations
quoted from "The relationship between tamil and classical sanskirit
literature" by Prof. G.L. Hart of Berkeley.

Quote begins:-
The chief element in the weltanschauung of the tamils was the force which
they called ananku. This power, ....was a potentially dangerous sacred
force which was considered to inhere in any object or person thought to be
especially potent for a number of reasons. Anything in which it inhered had
to be carefully controlled, lest the power go out of control and wreak
havoc. .......
Ofcourse, every society has had its priests, those who keep magic or
spiritual forces in their proper places and invoke them at the proper time.
What distinguishes the tamil guardians of this power is that they
themselves were thought to be dangerous, as they had to possess ananku to
control it elsewhere. Thus they belonged to lower castes.Even today, the
lower castes in south India have special powers for telling the future and
working magic. It is curious that the manipulators of sacred power in
ancient Tamilnad were not all of the same caste, but belonged to different
castes according to the situation under which they dealt with ananku.......
Among the most important of the low castes which dealt with this dangerous
power are the three castes whose occupation had to do with producing oral
literature.....Every morning when the king awoke and symbolically returned
from the other world, a caste called Kinaimakans [those who play the kinai
drums] would stand in front of the gate of his palace and sing his praises,
receiving payment for the service. Another caste, the Panans, would sing
certain types of songs to the king at certain times of day, lending to the
person of the king an aura of fitness. Both the Kinaimagans and the Panans,
along with the third caste, the tutiyans, whose chief function is not
clear, would play their own special drums during battle, by which act they
are actually said to supply the means for the king to cross over the sea of
battle to victory........

it was not only the rites that these oral poets conducted that gave them
their status; it was also their ability to imbue activities with a sacred
fitness, to prevent potential disorder. It is for this reason that there were
three castes of music makers, each with its own function: The lower castes
seem to have been more highly differentiated than the higher castes because
each dealt with sacred power intimately, and each had to have just the
right fitnes to perform its own sacred function properly......

quote ends------

raghavan

P.S: Any mistake in typing is mine. About quote doesnot reflect my
position/thinking on related subjects.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: naren@cs.uow.edu.au (Naren Kulkarni)
Subject: LOOKING FOR ALOK GUPTA@PURDUE
Keywords: ITBHU Graduate
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:48:12 GMT

I am looking for Alok Gupta, a friend of mine who Graduated in mining 

Engineering from Banaras Hindu University, in 1988, completed 

his Master's from Penn State in 1990, and the last I

heard he was doing his Doctorate in Business Administration at

Purdue University in Indiana. If any of you have his address or

any other details please send reply to this account.

Thank you all in advance,

Arvind Mishra
Kembla Coal & Coke
Wollongong, NSW 2500
AUSTRALIA

	C/o

Naren Kulkarni
Dept. Of Electrical & Computer Engineering
University Of Wollongong
P.O. Box. 1144
Wollongong  NSW  2500
Australia
Tel No.: +(042) 21 3065
Fax No.: +(042) 21 3236
E-mail : g9129421@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au
       : g9129421@wolfen.cc.uow.edu.au
       : naren@wraith.cs.uow.edu.au
From: A0K5719@tamvm1.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Telnet to TIFR
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:07:23 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University

>least by the local server. If someone had suceeded in logging on to TIFRVAX,
>could you please email me the IP number.
>
>-- Srinivas Krishnagopal.
 
Aw! come on! let us all know!!
 
anil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: susanc@rice.edu (susan chacko)
Subject: Spice and Advice on Dating and Mating
Organization: Rice University, Houston, Texas
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:22:54 GMT

	I hereby disclaim
	Any credit or blame---
	The following lines
	Aren't creations of mine.
	Any bouquets* may be
	Mailed to rsd
	@ccrl.nj.nec.com
	(poet's plume de la nomme)

				-- Susan

	*(brickbats, needless to say
	may be sent the same way)
......................................................

Epilogue:
Many moons back
somebody was on the track
of the perfect recipe
for good ol' bhel puri
SCI is now buzzing
with IIW's acussing
the Typical Indian Male
of buying his wife in a Sale
So here's a recipe
to find the perfect Miss Puri

			Bhel Puri aka SCI-masala
			(Looking for the perfect Miss Puri)

How to Belle the Puree
c'est la topic du story

You gotta have dates
to find the right mate

For life can be a waste
without the namkeen taste

For the plural of spouse is spice
So I'd recommend polygamy in a trice

(Let there be spouses like grains of rice
Marry early and often is my advice)
 
Now the dates can be arranged
or randomly deranged

It really matters not
for you've got to try the lot

They can be Independent Indian Dates (i.i.d.'s)
or docile deterministic and sedate

But they do have to mingle
yeah and also cause a tingle

The chemistry is all-important
or you may spend the rest of your life- repentant

The rest of the stuff
is for people to huff & puff

like the puffed rice
fillings seeking advice

We can sit and debate
over everything that we ate

The purees, the sev
are things that one raves

Like the education and the grades,
the family, the number of maids

The little boiled taters
is the face like a crater ?

But it really matters not
for it aint what you got

Compatibility is the name
of this whole life-threatening game

Finding the right date
is what makes it worth the wait 

So it boils down to the right Khajoor
before you can say "I am sure"
						R.S. Dighe
						4/15/92

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From: venu@cirrus.com (Venu Nayar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Netiquette
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:01:47 GMT
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.

How convenient...following up two posts in one shot.

In <cdsvYjm00WB58NaI4M@andrew.cmu.edu> sn00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sudha
Neelakantan) writes: 

>gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko) writes:
>> In many ways I agree with udcrusd@meaddata.com. I've been receiving a stream
>> of half-witted e-mail all day from various illiterates and I'm getting tired
>> of it. I'm going to start dumping it on the net if I think it's unusually 
>> stupid because that's where it belongs since it was my posting(s)
>> that aroused the need to communicate in these persons.

and the first time i feel litigous, i am going to check on that copyright
law regarding reproduction of mail. ;-).

>I agree and I would appreciate people posting their replies to the net
>if they think what they have to say is not appropriate amybe they
>shouldn't bother to say it

sometimes, there are points in a post which are better clarified with email.
-- 
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Cirrus Logic Inc.		|		(415)-226-2100 X3737
I don't have to take this abuse from you -- I've got hundreds of
people waiting to abuse me.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,misc.taxes
From: samm@eng.umd.edu (Samardh Kumar)
Subject: HELP WITH MY TAXES!!!
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 01:04:29 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, College of Engineering
Distribution: na
Originator: samm@coke.eng.umd.edu

hi,
	i am an international student on an F-1 visa at the university of 
maryland, college park.  i have never filed taxes before.  i was told that 
i should file a 1040NR .  my earnings were $1300 and the fed taxes were $140
and the state(maryland) taxes were $40.  could i get some pointers as to how i
should fill out the form A.S.A.P. 
		thanx
sam
From: grx1364@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: GENESIS CONCERT AT PONTIAC,MICHIGAN!!!!!!!
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:46:41 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services


Hi Guys,
We need a ride (for Two people) from Toledo to Pontiac Silverdome,Michigan
on 24th May (Sunday) for the GENESIS CONCERT. We will share the expenses
incurred. Anybody interested, please contact me.

Abhijit Bagal
PH - (419) 475 - 3450
From: rot@mickie.id.macsch.com (Rohit Thukral)
Subject: Re: WHAT DOES THIS HINDI/URDU WORD MEAN.....
Organization: MacNeal-Schwendler Corp., Los Angeles
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 16:23:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.040416.14015@athena.mit.edu> jmukherj@athena.mit.edu (Jaideep Mukherjee) writes:
>In article <167C712E93.A0K5719@tamvm1.tamu.edu> A0K5719@tamvm1.tamu.edu writes:
>>Hi netters, I have come across this word *HAALA* in Haribans Rai Bachchan's
>>"Madhushala". This could be a hindi/urdu word but looks more like a hindi
>>word to me. This word has been used in several sentences in the poem and at
>>each place it seems to have a different meaning/context. For example:
>> 
>>chhot se jeevan me kitna pyaar karoon, pee loon HAALA
>> 
>>yam (as in yamraj) aaega saqi bankar, saath liye kaali HAALA
>> 
>>mere adharon par ho antim, vastu na ganga jal HAALA
>> 
>>Does anybody know the meaning??
>> 
>>anil
>
> There is a similar sounding Bengali word derived from Sanskrit that
>means poison. I can see this making sense for the first two lines
>above, but can't figure out how it would fit into the third.
>
>Jaideep
>

I didn't know what "haala" meant, but poison does make sense
in all three lines. In the third line Bachchan says,
"Let the last thing on my lips be poison, not water
from the Ganga". It does make sense in the context of the
melancholy mood of the first and second lines.

Rohit
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#include <StdDisclaimer.h>
From: sgs1679@usl.edu (Sudhindranath Sira G)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: India: Question of self-confidence / Dr. Manmohan Singh
Date: 11 Apr 92 21:38:50 GMT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: India: Question of self-confidence / Dr.Manmohan Singh
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Keywords: 

In article <1992Apr10.195115.16123@colorado.edu> manu@tigger.Colorado.EDU (Njan) writes:
>
>You have to remember that the great NORTH INDIANs like the GREAT idiot RAJIV, 
>even greater idiot INDIRA and her stupid dad Nehru were ruling us! So we never
>had a chance!!! ( the leaving out of other great North Indian rulers are 
>delibrate )
>

My feelings :

	1. You should have left out the North Indian bit.
	2. Nehru WAS a stupid fellow, I agree with you.
	3. I don't think Indira Gandhi was an idiot. On the other
	   hand, she was very intelligent. Unfortunately for us,
	   she was an evil genius.
	4. Rajiv Gandhi was a rogue as well as an idiot.

>Njan


Sira Gopinath Sudhindranath.
(sudhi@usl.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sc131109@seas.gwu.edu (Harmel K. Singh)
Subject: Article on Narmada Valley ( Environmental Effects)
Originator: sc131109@seas.gwu.edu
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 04:15:34 GMT

Hello Netters

Some whiles ago there was this article on the Environmental
effects of the Narmada Valley project in India.
It I think appeared also in the India-d news mag.
I would be obliged if somebody send me a copy of it as soon
as possible to me . 
Any views, matter, on this topic would be sincerely appreciated.

Thanks,

Harmel Singh.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: suresh@bugs.cis.udel.edu (Swaminathan Sureshchandran)
Subject: Re: Response to INDIAN MEN and MARRIAGE
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:36:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.144705.15758@gatech.edu> niru@cc.gatech.edu writes:
>
>I appreciate the candid response from a few of you.
>Am glad that atleast a few were HONEST enough to
>agree with what I said. 

So HONEST people are those who agree with you ..... What a logic!

>Sudha Neelakantan's point that " Indian men are really too
>difficult to date" is basically due to this same attitude.
>In fact, a netter had actually admitted that rather than
>waste his "TIME, MONEY, ENERGY and EMOTIONS", he might as
>well have somebody arrange it for him. This epitomizes the
>
>In response to George's comment that "Indian women are
>depressing and boring", maybe they found him too
>"depressing and boring" to interact well with him !!!
>IIW.
>
How come the only thing that you are concerned about is changing the 
attitudes of men? You don't even seem to recognise that the so-called 
"problem" is due to the attitudes of both Indian men and women. If 
you think most Indian women are IIWs, you are sadly mistaken. Your 
attitude is typical of the newly liberated feminist class of Indian 
women who probably tasted independence after leaving India and still 
haven't got over the hangover. Your attitudes belong to American women 
of 30 years ago when they started "getting in touch with themselves". 
Since then, times have changed. AIDS has come in, urban areas have 
gone to waste, education standards have declined, Japan and Europe have 
overtaken the US and portrayed Americans as hedonistic, lazy people, 
Asian Americans have taken over key scientific positions, and, as I 
read somewhere, "marriage is back in fashion". You have to wake up to 
realities.

>

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.american
From: keshava@is.morgan.com (Sanjay Keshava)
Subject: Re: Just Curious
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:03:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.174025.4277@cbfsb.cb.att.com> rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel) writes:

   Does anyone out there listen to Howard Stern?  He is on the radio
   in New York, Los Angeles, Washingtion D.C. and Baltimore.  He also
   has a syndicated TV show.  I think he is hilarious.  Anyone ever
   heard of him?

His sense of humor is too vulgar for my taste.  I've seen a few minutes
of his TV show on the evenings when I couldn't sleep.  It basically
lacks any sophisticated entertainment value and usually consists of a
dozen or two scantily clad women participating in highly sexist
contests and/or events, e.g. the Howard Stern swimsuit calendar
tryouts, bust comparisons, etc.

A good radio talk show is Tom Lycus in Los Angeles.

   With all this talk about Indians discriminating among themselves
   based on regional, caste and socio-economic lines, I was wondering
   if my fellow netters felt if Indians discriminated among themselves
   based on skin color.

Not that I've noticed.  But I have encountered Indians that purposely
make things difficult for other Indians.  However, I've also
encountered Indians that went out of their way to help a fellow
Indian.  The only discrimination based upon skin color that I can
think of is when a prospective bride/groom is "evaluated" based upon
her/his fairness.
--

Later...

Sanjay Keshava          keshava@is.morgan.com
    ->|<-           ...uunet!is.morgan.com!keshava
    Morgan Stanley & Co., Inc., Equities Analytical Research, NYC
  Greetings to alumni: Anteater ('84), Trojan ('87), Longhorn ('91)
From: acsossc@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Samir Chaudhari)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: soc.culture.tamil some suggestion
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:50:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article 16516@colorado.edu>, manu@tigger.Colorado.EDU (Njan) writes...
>In article <1992Apr14.164444.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> j0srin01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>	Hey!! Lets get a step further. How about Soc.culture.madras???!!!
> 
>I think we should have a soc.culture.indian.your_language group... at least,
>soc.culture.indian.malayalam... hmm...  maybe we should start forming
>groups too... like malayalee student association or something? The Indian
>student associations are a waste of time, as I have found out myself...
> 
>Njan

	I would 've thought you would advocate forming soc.culture.indian.south,
whatever your defination of 'south'. Baffled...

-S
Organization: Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: ravi@sgi.com (Ravi Chitturi)
Subject: Re: Condominium for rent in Santa Clara, CA
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:45:51 GMT


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: psingh@IASTATE.EDU (Piyush Singh)
Subject: Re: WHAT DOES THIS HINDI/URDU WORD MEAN.....
Reply-To: psingh@IASTATE.EDU (Piyush Singh)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:44:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.162357.5649@draco.macsch.com>, rot@mickie.id.macsch.com
(Rohit Thukral) writes:
> In article <1992Apr13.040416.14015@athena.mit.edu> jmukherj@athena.mit.edu
(Jaideep Mukherjee) writes:
 
> >>chhot se jeevan me kitna pyaar karoon, pee loon HAALA
> >> 
> >>yam (as in yamraj) aaega saqi bankar, saath liye kaali HAALA
> >> 
> >>mere adharon par ho antim, vastu na ganga jal HAALA
> >> 
> >>Does anybody know the meaning??
> >> 
> >>anil
> 
> I didn't know what "haala" meant, but poison does make sense
> in all three lines. In the third line Bachchan says,
> "Let the last thing on my lips be poison, not water
> from the Ganga". It does make sense in the context of the
> melancholy mood of the first and second lines.
> 
> Rohit
> -- 

WELL....I DON'T THINK "POISON" MAKES ANY SENSE HERE. I THINK THE WORLD HAALA IS
USED FOR "LIQUOR" OR "DAARU" HERE. LETS SEE THE FIRST LINE...DAARU GOES WELL
WITH "PYAAR" POISON DOESN'T. SEE THE SECOND LINE......SAAQI BRINGS DAARU NOT 
POISON (MY GODNESS... I CAN'T IMAGINE ALL THIS SHER-O-SHAAYAREE HAPPENING WITH 
A SAAQI BRINGING A CUP OF POISON:)).  AND IN THE LAST LINE ALSO "DAARU" MAKES
SENSE....INDICATING THAT POET LOVES DAARU MORE THAN GANGAJAL.....AFTERALL WE
ARE
TALKING ABOUT "MADHUSHAALA".....CENTRAL FOCUS OF WHICH IS NOTHING BUT "DAARU".

BTW, THERE IS WORD IN HINDI/SANSKRIT "HAALAAHAL" WHICH STANDS OF POISON.

PIYUSH
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu)
Subject: Re: SATYAJIT ROY...GREATEST ACHEIVEMENT
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 19:59:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.211658.27437@irvine.dg.com> swagata@IRVINE.DG.COM (swagata majumdar) writes:
>Rohini Hattangadi did receive the OSCAR for costume design in
>Gandhi. (not for best actress). If you remember, Gandhi got
>a total of 7(?) OSCARS.


Rohini Hattangadi surely did not get an OSCAR for the movie, and it was
Bhanu Athaiya who got it for costume design.  In fact Rohini Hattangadi
got  the award for the best supporting actress,  from the British Movie
Academy which are the British counterpart of the American Movie Academy
the instituition that awards the OSCARS.

Regards,
Vivek.

-- 
vivek@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu),
Research Assistant, Department Of Computer Science, 
School Of Engineering, Computer Science And Technology,
California State University, Chico, California.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: jawahar@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Jawahar Sivachidambaram)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Anyone familiar with Dalal Street?
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:52:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Northeastern University
In-reply-to: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca's message of 4 Apr 92 04:49:08 GMT

Test. Please ignore.