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From: Dean.Tabor@f709.n7301.z8.fidonet.org (Dean Tabor)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Volunteer fd and lig
Date: 10 Nov 92 09:59:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: remote.721525017.F00038

-=> Scott Cheng-hsien Chiang said something about Voulunteer fd and lig
to All   <=-

 SCC> From: Scott Cheng-Hsien Chiang <sc4e+@andrew.cmu.edu>

 SCC> Here we go again..........

"It just keeps on going and going and going..."

 SCC> :-)

 SCC> No matter how bright your lights are or how loud your siren is,
 SCC> always, always you are going to have a couple drivers who just
ain't

A while back, I read a post on this thread that someone had paraphrased
from someone who had heard it on a tape, etc etc... here it is again,
in
yet another paraphrase-

~At a convention of chiefs in a large city, there was a loud and
~furious debate over what color fire apparatus should be; orange,
~red, green and even light blue were being discussed, all in the
~name of visibility and safety.  As usual, the gigawattage of the
~strobes and sirens were being hashed over as well.

~After several hours of this frackas droning on and on, an old
~chief took the podium and turned up the volume on the PA system
~as high as it would go, and said-

~~It doesn't matter what color your engine is or how many
~~strobes you have flashing, it doesn't add up to a damned
~~if you don't have control of the apparatus and the 
~~intersection and a driver that can drive safely.

~The debate died almost immediately...

Having lost a friend in a response-relate accident, I know first hand
the
problems and dangers that we are always told about, but always seem to
forget.  It's amazing the number of people that preach to the rookies
that
it's better to get there alive and take a few extra moments than to
create
another incident along the way- yet these same preachers are the ones
that
travel at low Mach to a station stand-by during rush hour...

Summation: LOOK.  THINK.  ANTICIPATE.  TAKE A DEEP BREATH.

~Dean Tabor
~FF/EMT-3/Etc
~Chena Goldstream Fire/Rescue
~Fairbanks, Alaska

... Not tonight, dear.  I have a modem.
 * Origin: Peachtree City,GA FD VIA The Command Post 404-487-1376
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Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: wday@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Re: OSHA regs
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:20:14 GMT

In article <721096631.F00040@remote.halcyon.com>, Dan.Guenthner@f48.n152.z1.fidonet.org (Dan Guenthner) writes:
>  Well a number of ya have been tossing the OSHA regs back and
>  forth for some time on what is this and what is that. So let me
>  try and set the record straight.
>  
>  1. OSHA regulations apply to ALL employers (public & private).

  Dan, the information I have from the U.S. OSHA indicates that not all
employers are covered by their enforcement ability.  For example, the
legislation exempts federal, state and local governments from OSHA's
jurisdiction, as well as self-employed people with no other employees
other than domestic employees or those who employee family members only in
farming operations, or religious groups who employ folks for secular
work (I'm looking at the HazComm info while writing this). Is this wrong?

Additionally, some states cover those exempted employees under other
programs, but it's not going to be a federal OSHA compliance officer who
knocks at the door of the city-operated Fire Hall, right?

>  2. Whether federally or state enforced at a minimum is the federal
>     rule. States may change to make more stringent not less effective.


Over on CompuServe about a month ago, there was a discussion that was
centered on an article in one of the industrial hygene magazines; the
article implied that a court decision had basically removed the power
of individual states to impose standards that were stricter than those
of the federal OSHA.  Though the discussion divided into three camps...
those who applauded such info... those who said "Unh Unh..no way!" and
those who said "What's OSHA?", I don't think there was ever any real
definitive word on whether states really did have the legal authority
to impose stricter standards, like a whole lot of them do in various
instances.  I personally belong in the well-worn "Unh Unhhh.. no way!"
camp about this news article, but just goes to show you that there
is still a lot of questions one can come up with if one tries hard.

Wayne

 _________________________
  Wayne Day
        WDay@unt.edu
        76703.376@CompuServe.Com
From: Bob.Upson@f333.n142.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Upson)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: OSHA regs
Date: 7 Nov 92 16:52:00 GMT

DG> Well a number of ya have been tossing the OSHA regs back and
DG> forth for some time on what is this and what is that. So let me
DG> try and set the record straight.
 
DG> 1. OSHA regulations apply to ALL employers (public & private).
 
Not necessarily.  Fed OSHA applies to all private sector employees. 
Public sector employees fall under OSHA in the 25 'OSHA states' that
directly adopt Fed OSHA regulations for their state programs.
 
DG> 2. Whether federally or state enforced at a minimum is the federal
DG> rule. States may change to make more stringent not less effective.
 
True for all private sector employees.  True for the public sector in
OSHA states only. The other 25 have their own employee health and safety
programs with varying degrees of compliance and comparability with Fed
OSHA.
 
DG> 3. Too much mis-information about the Bloodborne pathogen rules is
DG> floating around.
 
True enough.  The standards aren't that difficult to abide by.  There
are some annoying bits of overkill, but the document isn't the ogre some
people make it out to be.
 
DG> 4. Use COMMEN SENSE not HORSE SENSE when reading and interpreting
DG> the rules.
 
Unfortunately, there isn't a lot of room for interpretation.  Where OSHA
regs apply, letter of the law compliance in imperative.  The trick is to
read the actual regulation and comply with *it* and not the
'recommendations' supplied by well meaning, but often over enthusiastic,
'consultants' who always seem to want far more than the standards
actually require.
 
DG> Don't take this as a bash...I am just setting the record straight
from
DG> some of the BAD information that was floating around in the echos.
With
 
Ditto. <g>

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From: James.Campbell@f145.n150.z1.fidonet.org (James Campbell)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Phoograpers on scene.
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 08:56:00 -0800

MK>  The point is  some photogs might
 MK> not show appropriate behavior at a scene. That is a problem with
an
 MK> individual photographer not photographers in general. You know....
 
        Media personnel (in general) only has one thing in mind,
getting
 a story / picture(s) with total disregard for there own safety.
 
 
 MK> A good photog should exhibit certain standards of conduct at a
 MK> scene.
 MK>         Ask permission when working near the action area.
 MK>            {from someone not working with the patient}
 MK> as a photographer on a scene for obstructing, as you are as a
 
       I'm a fire police officer with my company, Photographers (still,
 video, or TV) are our #1 HEADACHE while at a fire scene.
       Philadelphia is not to far from us, they sent a TV crew down to
 one of our working fires. Upon arrival, we had fire showing with
several
 people trapped in there 2 story house. We were no more than one mile
 away on an accident when this came in. Everyone in the house died!
       They were giving us problems the entire time they were there.
 Examples: 1) crossing fire lines 2) bothering firefighters 3) NOT
 listening to the command of a fire police officer (Note: We have
 arresting powers in my state).
       We were starting to bring dead bodies out of the house for the
 Medical Examiner, had a tarp from the door the his vehicle (approx.
20'
 long). One phographer entered the scene & was Photographed the dead
 bodies while we were bringing them outside.
 
       He was arrested for obstructing emergency personnel in there
 duties while on the scene.
       The tape was showned on a Philadephia channel, our chief wrote a
 nasty letter to the station regarding there actions. We never got a
 reply!
       I came very close on arresting a local TV crew for enter the
scene
 for the 2nd time, they were escorted back the first time by a state
 tooper.
 
       Permission: STAY OUT OF THE WAY until the fire scene is
complete!
 
      Photographers / reporters have a right to know, NOT a right to
 hinder a fire operation.
 
 ---
    SMRead 3.0  #?    
 
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From: William.J..Vital@f430.n107.z1.fidonet.org (William J. Vital)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: volunteers
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:01:00 -0800

          Dave Pfister sent

I have to agree with Ed on this one.  Volunteer (or Paid for that
matter) FD members can *not* have a driver written up for a violation of
the VTL without PD witnessing it (at least in New York State they
can't).  When I first started driving (on calls) I asked a friend who is
a police officer the very same question after having a near accident
with a driver who totally ignored lights/sirens - and he said that PD
has to witness the actual occurence.

Dave, I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you.  In New Jersey,
anyone can sign a traffic ticket alleging a violation of traffic laws!
Of course proving it in court, if the violator pleads Not Guilty, is a
different matter. I've been a volunteer firefighter for 20+ years and a
Fire Police for 7 years.  The NJSP Fire Police Instructors tell us,
"just get a police officer, have him issue the ticket, you sign it, then
you go to court." So you better have some proof, or you're wasting
everyones time. Any citizen, in NJ, can do the same. Of course the
Training Certificate from the NJSP Academy does help give credence to
the ticket. Well, a little anyway.

===
 * TLX v1.55* But Officer! The dwarf was on fire when I got here!


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Newsgroups: misc.forsale
From: davea@mail.boi.hp.com (Dave Allen)
Subject: FOR SALE COLLINS 651S-1
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:25:50 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]


Collins 651S1 receiver for sale.  Blue flourescent displays.  Nice
condition with original manual.  Asking $1200 cash.  Call or e-mail
for further info.  

David C. Allen,		davea@hpdmmft.boi.hp.com
(h) (208) 939-6950
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From: walver@kielo.uta.fi (Ville V. Walveranta)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers,misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone
Subject: SECURITY BOARD!
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:47:58 GMT
Reply-To: walver@uta.fi (Ville Walveranta)
Distribution: misc
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland



        FOR SALE: HANDS OFF THE BOARD

        - Security for you PC - Hardware/software combination to
          lock out unwanted access to a PC. Password protection for
          boot, or limit (with a password) operations.

        - 8-bit card for ISA-bus and software.

        Only $25 + shipping

        -- Willy
--

 ***********************************************************************
  ***   Ville V. Walveranta      Tel/Fax.....: (510) 420-0729       ***
   ***  96 Linda Ave., Apt. #5   From Finland: 990-1-510-420-0729  ***
    *** Oakland, CA  94611, USA  (FAXes automatically recognized) ***
   ***  GET MY PGP KEY FROM MY PLAN -> Email.: walver@kielo.uta.fi ***  
  ***        "Reality is subject to change without notice"          ***
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Newsgroups: misc.forsale
From: c9036984@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Definition of Flying: One must merely throw themselves at the ground and miss)
Subject: Lots for Sale: Aus
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 09:37:05 GMT

[Posted on behalf of a friend, please see below for contact details ]
AUSTRALIAN Readers only:

I am moving interstate in less then 3 weeks time and would like to get
rid of as much of my 'excess baggage' before I go, so that I dont have to
find somewhere to store it. I have a number of items that I would like
to sell to anyone interested.... here's a list... make me an offer... I'll
probably
take it..

BOOKS:
Computer Science An overview  2nd Ed  J. Glenn Brookshear
Digital Design 2nd Ed  M. Morris Mano
Cooper's Condensed Pascal
Computers: The User Perspective 2nd Ed
EE130 & EE170 Laboratory Manual
Introduction to Computer Technology  Dr B.J.Cook
Microprocessors & Programmed Logic  K.L. Short
Dictionary of Animals   M.Chinery
Breakout! #37, 43 & 44
Corporate Combat  W.EPeacock
Master Ket to Riches  N.Hill
Secret of Inner Strength: My Story  C.Norris
Seeds of Greatness  D.Waitley
Personal Power Program  B.Lyon
Skill with People  L.Giblin
Ivy and Chrome (for Shadowrun)

3 Draw chest of Draws
AWA Clock Radio (AM/FM, Alarm etc)
Tape Holder (3 drawers, holds 36)
The *original* style DM's Screen for 1st Ed ADND

CDS:
Can't Fight Fate - Taylor Dayne
Chain Reaction - John Farnham
Why Fight It - Mondo Rock

Tapes:
Greatest Hits 2 - Queen
The Bridge - Billy Joel
Joyride - Roxette

Make me an offer, I'll probably accept it

bloodgor@maria.wustl.edu
or
Scott English
29 Roe St               681558
Mayfield
NSW 2304

Newsgroups: misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers,misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone
From: rpeou@athena.mit.edu (Rith   Peou)
Subject: 386DX 16mhz for sale
Keywords: 486 80486 33 mhz HOT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:21:52 GMT


I'm posting this for a friend who doesn't have internet access, so please make
replies to this account.  The following is for sale:

386DX 16Mhz w/full size AT case
2MB RAM, 80MB MFM hard drive
1.2MB floppy drive (1.44MB floppy drive optional)
Paradise VGA card w/NEC mono monitor
1 parallel/3 serial (have cable for only 2 serial)/ 1 game port
DOS 5.0

The price is $600, but other REASONABLE offers will be considered. Please
reply ASAP.

Thanks,
Rith
From: long@hal.COM (Long Hu)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: skis for sale
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:01:29 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bluebird.hal.com

I have a pair of Rossignol STS Carbon ski for sale. The length is 195. The
binding on the ski is Tyrolia 490. This ski was used last season for only
couple of times. It is in great condition. The value for this ski/binding
package was about $350.00. I am willing to let it go for $150.00. If you
are interested, please contact me by email or call me at (408)441-0910.
Bay area residents only please.


Long S. Hu
long@hal.com
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
From: denise@b3.b3.ingr.com (Denise Rowe)
Subject: HOUSE FOR SALE: HSV, AL - NO MONEY DOWN !!!
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:03:01 GMT


236 Frances Amelia Drive
Huntsville, Alabama
Northeast Chase Estate Subdivision

Utilities:  Huntsville Utilities/city water
Frame Exterior
Large 1 acre lot with mature trees in backyard
Home is 5 years old, and is in excellent condition !!
Home is for sale at the price of $73,900. 

SELLER WILL PAY 5% DOWN PAYMENT AND/OR PAY ALL CLOSING COSTS !!!!
 
Great family neighborhood which is safe and adjacent 
to other homes ranging from the low to upper one hundreds
*********************************************************************
Room Descriptions:

3 Bedrooms, 2 Full Baths
Isolated Master Bedroom has adjoining bath/ double-vanity dressing area
and large walk-in closet
Great Room with vaulted ceiling and impressive natural stone fireplace
Formal dining area
Kitchen/Breakfast room with beautiful bay window, cherry finish cabinets
with abundant counter/cabinet space and pantry
Large (400 + sq. ft) 2 car garage with door opener
Over 1200 sq. ft heated space
######################################################################
Features:

* 12 x 12 stained wooden deck
* Mini blinds on all windows
* Ceiling fans in all rooms
* Beautifully wallpapered bathrooms, kitchen and den
* Ample storage and closet space.  Additional storage area in the attic
  with access from garage
* 10 x 14 storage building
* Large fenced yard with 6' privacy section for total backyard privacy
* Vegetable garden patch
#####################################################################
Schools - Riverton/Buckhorn 
Convenient front door pickup/dropoff school bus service
Country Atmosphere with city convenience. Minutes to I-565
#####################################################################
    For information, call Ken Rowe at 720-7805 on pager (days)
                                    or 859-2889(evenings/weekends)

ACT NOW WHILE RATES ARE LOW AND OWN A HOME WITH LITTLE OR NO MONEY DOWN !!!
Newsgroups: misc.forsale,rec.music.marketplace
From: mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu (michael mchugh)
Subject: REM Press Release for "Green"
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:35:30 GMT

FOR SALE:

IF I DO NOT SELL THE PRESS RELEASE WITH THIS POST, THEY
GO TO THE RECYCLING CENTER!!!!!

R.E.M. _Green_ Press Kit

I only have two remaining original (on orange paper) _Green_ 
press releases. Each has six pages of text. It does not come with 
press photos, nor is it in a press folder.

$4.00 each.

Price includes first-class postage.

Contact:
       Michael McHugh
       mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu

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From: tychan@unccsun.uncc.edu (Smart Handsome Chas)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Video cards for sale
Date: 9 Nov 92 02:17:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte


I am selling a Hercules Graphics Station Gold 24 plus 2 and an ATI
VGA Stereo F/X.

	Hercules Graphics Station Gold
		- Windows accelerator
		- Excellent for AutoCad, 3D studio, PCB, etc
		- Excellent for 3D rendering
		- TI TMS34010 60MHz processor
		- TIGA compatiable
		- 24-bit(16.8 millions) true color display
		- 1 Mb VRAM and 2 Mb DRAM for a total of 3Mb RAM!!!
		- With VGA pass thru 
		- less than a year old
		- FREE TIGA DDK                      
		- Comes with latest utility, Win 3.1 driver, ADI, etc  
		- NTSC/PAL Video Genlock
		- Twenty times faster than SVGA, twice 8514/A   
		- Great Price: 350.00!!!

	ATI VGA Stereo F/X
		- Super VGA card
		- 1Mb of DRAM
		- Adlib and Sound Blaster 100% compatiable
		- With MIDI interface box
		- Free mouse
		- Joystick support
		- Works great with TIGA card
		- Comes with major software drivers
		- Free Sequencer Jr. MIDI composing kit
		- less than 2 months old
		- Great Price: 200.00!!!

If you buy two together, the price is even greater: 500.00!!!    
Plus, I will give you a free software: ImagePrep.
Please feel free to make an offer, if you think it is too
expensive. But better check the price, this is a real great
price! I will take offers before Nov. 15, 1992 midnigh EDT.

Mail me at: tychan@mosaic.uncc.edu
From: 889kim@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: [Genesis] Games for sale !!!
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:54:35 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University


I have following games for sale.
All are $25 + shipping ($3?) each.

Streets of Rage
Sol-Deace
Wonder Boy In Monster World
Heavy Nova
Batman
Quackshot

These games are from my nephew. So don't ask me about game itself.
If you are interested, drop me a email.

thanks,
Kiyoung
From: crick@cs.utk.edu (ROBERT DALE CRICK)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: TurboGrafx 16 system FORSALE!
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:47:21 GMT
Distribution: national
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennessee, Knoxville


TurboGrafx 16 System for sale:

Includes:

Base system w/ keith Courage in Alpha Zone.
2 controllers.
Turbo Tap to use extra controllers.
Turbo Booster for enhanced sound and video
Plus: 5 additional games:

Splatterhouse
TV Sports Football
Legendary Axe II
Takin' it to the hoop
Bonk's Adventure

All this stuff for $100.00 plus shipping.  This is a great buy for an
extra game system to play around with.

Thanks
Robert Crick
(615) 481-3434
From: af113@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Greg Stolarczyk)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: Profit from Marijuana & Cocaine Smuggling
Date: 5 Nov 1992 22:55:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Hello,

I have a limited supply (63) of a book entitled "How to Make Money
with U.S. Government Auctions and Surplus."  This book is presently
being sold (by others) for between $19.95 & $27.50.  I'm now
offering this same book at a discount price!  Almost anything you
are interested in, nationwide, can be had at these auctions (at
bargain prices) -- sports cars, trucks, boats, fax machines,
cellular phones, computers, furniture and jewelry -- even houses
and land.  I'm typing this now on a 386sx PC I bought (for $350) at
a auction of items seized by state & U.S. govt. law enforcement.
This book shows you where to find these auctions and how to go
about getting the best deals.  It also tells you about Sheriff's,
U.S. Marshal, IRS, Bankruptcy, FHA/HUD, Border Patrol and Customs
sales and auctions.  You'll also learn how to find and profit from
unpublicized FBI and DEA seized-goods auctions (see USA Today's
Wednesday editions for a representative list of gov't seized
items).

I'll send you a copy now for only $12.00! - cash, check or M.O.
That's $10.75 + $1.25 for postage.

Take advantage of my offer (and the U.S. war on drugs).  You'll not
find this informative book at a lower price, anywhere!

I'll ship immediately upon receipt of cash or M.O.  Please allow
3-4 weeks delivery if ordering by check.

* 365 day Guarantee *  If you're not completely satisfied within
one year, just return your copy for a refund (minus my postage
cost).

I'll post a notice here once all my copies are gone.
Any orders received after my supply is depleted will be returned.

Don't pay full price.  Learn about these gov't sales & auctions!
Our taxes are paying for this war on drugs.  Why not profit from
your investment?


Thank you!

Send your order to:

                    Greg Stolarczyk
                    12910 Orme Ct.
                    Garfield Hts., OH 44125


--
Greg Stolarczyk
af113@po.cwru.edu
2821850@mcimail.com
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
From: kpeterso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kirk Peterson)
Subject: --BRAND NEW-- Machintosh LC II for sale...
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix (sponsored by U. of Denver Math/CS dept.)
Disclaimer1: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of
Disclaimer2: Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
Disclaimer3: control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 02:04:58 GMT

For sale ...
 
        Apple Macintosh LC II
 
        o 4 Megs Ram
        o 40 Megabyte Hard Drive
        o Standard Macintosh Keyboard
        o Standard Macintosh Mouse
        o Macintosh 12" RGB Color Monitor
        o Macintosh StyleWriter Printer
        o Etc...
 
        This system is **BRAND NEW**; it was purchased yesterday,
and I can prove this with my invoice--which I will be happy to do
if necessary.  The computer price was $1195.00; the monitor was
$450.00; the StyleWriter was $359.00 for a total of $2004.00 when
purchased yesterday.
        I must sell this system quickly.  I will take the highest
reasonable offer.  If you are interested, please make me an offer,
and we'll talk.
        The system comes with ALL orignal packaging, manuals,
cables, disks, etc.
        If you are interested, please leave me email, or call
Kirk at (303) 494-7951.
        I am selling the computer simply because I need a DOS
based machine, but the store where it was purchased will not take
it back.
        The system, obviously, is in PERFECT condition.  Make an
offer.

Thank you!

Kirk

Newsgroups: misc.forsale