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From: csuah@warwick.ac.uk (~WISP at CU~)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: What about the 'Skins?
Summary: Talk to us...
Keywords: What?
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:38:25 GMT
Followup-To: rsfp
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK

All you 'Skins fans out there:  How about some news? Has the summer camp
started? Who's looking good, who's looking bad? Help!

The Wisp. [A deprived 'Skins fan stuck in a gridiron desert...]
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From: exujeff@exu.ericsson.se (Jeff Thompson)
Subject: Re: Cowboys?
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:06:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.191734.14014@aero.org> mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
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>From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
>Subject: Re: Cowboys?
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>In article <exujeff.9.711999916@exu.ericsson.se> exujeff@exu.ericsson.se (Jeff Thompson) writes:
>>> Being a Dallas transplant I can see why you would have that feeling.
>>> My feeling is that Troy is another Danny White, another Tommy Kramer,	
>>> He can't get the job done....
>>> The same can be said for Elway, but at least he got there.
>>just a theory.
>>Any Vikings news?
>>
>Another Danny White??

>I will assume you meant that with a negative connotation.  Let me give
>you some info on Danny White:

>1) He led an aging Dallas Team to 3 straight NFC championship games.
>Granted, he didn't get one win, but the team has to take some
>responsibility.  If Troy can do anything approaching this, I will be
>more than a happy Cowboys fan.

>2) He had a higher QB rating (career) than Roger Staubach, and was the
>NFL's highest career rated passer (with enough attempts) until the
>advent of Marino and more importantly Joe Montana.  His rating still
>gets him into the top 15, and maybe even the top ten best of all time.
>Say what you will about ratings and their validity, but they do show
>SOME sense of accomplishment.  Troy will do well to post those kinds
>of numbers.

>take care

>*ice*

Point well taken...I wasn't a COWBOY fan till after the JJ's took over.
My overwhelming memory of DW was him running down the sideline with a wining 
look on his face like "WHAT DO I DO TOM...WHAT DO I DO???". None the less, 
you are very precise on your numbers, but who did the BOYS have to go 
through to get to those NFC championship games?  I beleive that FRAN and 
ROGER would have been in the SUPER B's that Tommy and Danny were on the 
doorstep of.
thanks for you insight.
/jeff 
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From: csci16d7@cl2.cl.uh.edu (James V., SANG-IN)
Subject: Bills' news please
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords:  Bills' mania
Reply-To: CSCI16D7@cl.uh.edu
Organization: University of Houston - Clear Lake
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 23:06:00 GMT

Hi friends,

    I am a Bills' fan since I had moved to Buffalo a year ago.  This year  I
have transfered to Houston, but I still love to know eyerything about my team. 
If someone has some news about the Bills please post it here, specially my 
friends at UB.

Thank you,

  James.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Re: GOD I HATE MIAMI!!! Yes, the TEGGER is Back
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:28:39 GMT

>In article <1992Jul24.143508.24759@cci632.cci.com> teg@cci632.cci.com (Thomas Gauger) writes:

> GOD I LOVE FOOTBALL
> GOD I HATE MIAMI!!!!!
> 
> Is Aaron Fager still alive?
> Will Tony T. respond to this posting?
> Will Doug Evans proclaim: "Hey, I know that guy!"

Hey! It's the TEGinator. Will I respond? You bet your ass I will. Your
team has had its time and now it's back to the 70's TEG. It's going to
be lose, lose, lose. And on the net; whine, whine, whine; for a
change.


>>These and other questions to be answered in weeks to come.
>>Football season is starting, and the TEGGER is coming out
>>of hibernation. So look out NET, cause here I come.
>>
>>Hey, I am going to the Bill's training camp on Saturday. Last year
>>my son got a football from Jim Kelly, at the start of the Pittsburgh
>>Steelers romp ... er game. Anyway, for any Buffaloians out there, my son
>>was featured on the last Jim Kelly show of last season, as the last clip
>>of the show. The clip showed Jim Kelly jogging over to the side and
>>handing my son a football. Whether Jim Kelly knows it or not, he made
>>himself a hero for live in the eyes of my son. On Saturday, we are going
>>to Fredonia in hopes of having Jim autograph the football for him. My
>>son is extremely excited.

Touching. I'm actually weeping. My keyboard is all moist. Does your
son know that Jimbo wears silk panties? Crotchless silk panties? To go
with his lifting and seperating bra? I thought not. It would be better
to tell him now TEG. And be careful... You don't know where that ball
has been. 

Ahhh.... Everyone's back.. The season is almost underway.. Life is
good.

Tony (go new england) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Vincent vs Buckley (Re: Packer depth chart starters)
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:44:42 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Jul28.162642.15056@uwm.edu>, paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes...

> p.s. I just signed up for this group about a week ago so I'd hate to
> bring up a dead issue, but what did you think about the Pack's choice
> of Buckley. IMHO Troy Vincent would have been a better choice. I really
> got tired of all the big-play crap that was talked about. FSU opponents
> had to throw the ball 'cause they were usually getting their ass kicked,
> while UW rarely faced a team that threw the ball regularly. And if they
> did, they surely didn't throw it Vincent's way. Also, I seriously doubt
> if Wisconsin would've won either of its first three games without big
> returns off interceptions, punts or kickoffs by Vincent. Big 10 teams
> just refused to be beat by the Badgers lone star.

Only time will tell if Buckley is any better than Vincent.  The thing 
is the Packers drafted Buckley for things other than pure football 
talent.  They LIKE his brashness.  It seems to me that a very large 
percentage of players who have his attitude are hard to sign.  Maybe 
the Packers should have expected it but, before the draft, Buckley 
certainly sounded like he wouldn't be too hard to sign.

Probably, though, the unsignability is a temporary thing.  Lot's of 
players who hold out as rookies never hold out again.  Sterling Sharpe 
held out as a rookie, for example.  On the other hand, lot's of people 
who signed easily as rookies hold out later, ie. Don Majkowski.

What's more damaging to a team, a rookie holdout or a veteran holdout? 
I don't think you should draft players on basis of their signability.

JGH
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From: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: 49er Notes
Reply-To: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 00:02:22 GMT

In article <a7gm5dd.michaelh@netcom.com>, michaelh@netcom.com (Michael Hernandez) writes:
>RUNNING BACK:  Sheldon Canely pulled a hamstring and is out.
>A four player competition for the tailback spot with DEX still
>listed as 1, but HOT HOT on his heels are AMP LEE(R) and 
>RICKY WATTERS.  The fourth contender, KEITH HENDERSON, was 
>the niners leading rusher last year, and the niners are
>giving him every opportunity to become the starter.

I've heard that Henderson is sort of in the 49ers doghouse due to some of
his personal problems during the off-season. I don't remember the specifics
of those problems, though. Also, it appears that Amp Lee has the edge
on Rickey Watters at this point; Watters puts on a lot of fancy moves that
apparently end up accomplishing little, while Lee is surprisingly elusive
in spite of his lack of blazing speed and juke moves. Both of them are
equally good at catching the ball out of the backfield, though. I hope to
see one of them put the midget on the bench once and for all.

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Bob Marshall                     \\     "It ain't age
Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.     \\     That makes me look this way
Sunnyvale, CA                      \\    It ain't the years, boys,
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"I tell the truth 'cept when I lie"  \\     - Chris LeDoux
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From: merrill@stsci.edu (Clark)
Subject: Re: Montana is toast!!!
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: world,local
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:23:23 GMT

In article <l7iubsINN1cc@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, brian@baja.Corp.Sun.COM (Brian Edge) writes:
> Summary: 
> Keywords: 
> 
> In article 13698@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu, skywalker@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes:
>>Face it people, Joe Montana is toast, his days as a top NFL QB are
>>over, done, finished. He had a great life in the NFL, I give him credit 
>>for that, he was one of the best. I went through this with Roger Staubach
>>years ago, it was time to go but many of the Dallas fans wanted him to 
>>stay on, I was one of them. The same thing is going on in SF, it's time 
>>for a change but the managment can't look like they are pushing him out
>>the door. All they can do is wait for him to make the choice to back out.
>>If he does not he will only cost the 9ers and Steve Young a entire season. 
>>
>>Good luck 9ers you'll need it.....
>>
>>tim
>>
> 
> 
> Sounds like what I heard after his back problems....will you never learn???
> 
> 
After the Back Problem he made steady forward progress to a recovery.
Is he doing that now?  This reminds me of the early 80's and the Steelers
with Bradshaw.  It also reminds me of last year.  Personally I would not say 
Montana is toast, but  the odds of him making a successful comeback are
getting to be dimmer and dimmer.

Is there any evidence that his arm will be able to make it to 70% of the 
way back?  I hope so because I always enjoyed watching him play.  But
I don't think so.

Clark B. Merrill                        A Life Long Redskins Fan!
Space Telescope Science Institute
Baltimore, Maryland
merrill@stsci.edu
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From: ssbal@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu
Subject: 49ers News????
Keywords: key players...
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 00:26:47 GMT

All you Bay area observers out there I could sure use your help, could you inform me of the progress/status of the following players:
1. Steve Young at $2.5 mil is he definitely going to get traded??  We here in the East have been hearing this all offseason, first for Barry Word, the Marian Butts, then to the Raiders for Brown and a few picks.  Now his status is in the air, I would sure appreciate some insight.  I heard that they were going to wait until the end of training camp to make sure that Joe was sound and then move him.
2. Charles Haley.  We heard all offseason that he wanted out , particularly after Seifert badmouthed the 49er defense after watching tapes of the Eagles defense perfrom at its best.  Is he satisfied in SF???  Isn't he expendable since they acquired "All World" Tim Harris??  	                                        

3. Finally Dana Hall.  How has he looked in preseason??  Is he expected to step in in the absence of Dave Waymer or does Thane Gash have the inside track on the starting Strong Safety job??   

Any information would be appreciated by a friend, thanks....
. Char
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From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins - Training Camp 7/31/92
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:41:58 GMT

In article <23052@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
 
>TODAY:
>Players sleep in today then have a brief walkthrough on the practice
>field before busing to Harrisburg, Pa., for the two-hour flight to Orlando,
>where city officials have a red-carpet greeting planned.

Ah, there must be some mistake here. As far as I know the only thing
we have planned is the red-tomato greeting. It will be sort of a
greeting/luncheon. While we're here can you tell me what kind of
dressing they like on their salads???

Tony (go new england) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
From: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Montana still "tired"
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:40:58 GMT
Reply-To: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California

In article <55487@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, donehoo@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Doyle Donehoo) writes:
>As a direct response to the above, the speculation and second guessing,
>Montana in a interview today stated 1) the soreness he has been experiencing
>was NOT in the area that was operated on and 2) the soreness and fatigue
>was from his overworking his arm...

The soreness is in his elbow, right? His elbow was operated on, right?
Isn't that the same area? Do you really believe the pain is not related
to the surgery? Anyway, the point is, we're four days away from our 
first exhibition game and Montana is unable to throw a football. Who 
cares if it's new pain or old pain or overwork; it's a very bad sign. 
And all the statements from Montana and the coaches sound exactly like 
the crap we were fed last year. Who can help but feel pessimistic?

>Well, the sports writers and the Montana/49er haters have to have 
>SOMETHING to write about....				;-)

I am certainly not a Montana/49er hater, nor are the sports writers. What 
makes you say something like that (yes, I see the winking smilie)? I think
everyone, even fans who hate the 49ers, are wishing Joe the best.

=============================================================================
Bob Marshall                     \\     "It ain't age
Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.     \\     That makes me look this way
Sunnyvale, CA                      \\    It ain't the years, boys,
marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com\\   It's the miles"
"I tell the truth 'cept when I lie"  \\     - Chris LeDoux
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From: jtbell@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jonathan T. Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Buffalo Bills
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:06:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

In article <1992Jul26.011919.895@math.ucla.edu> rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw) writes:
>I see a lot of postings lately about a lot of teams beating the
>Bills. I know preseason is a time of hope, but let's not get 
>ridiculous. 

	Wishful thinking, I guess!!  ;)  And a lot of fun jabbing, I hope!  :)

>A real threat to an AFC third title, is more likely to come
>from a quality team, like Houston or the Raiders.

	IMHO, I think that this is the last year for the Bills to be dominant. 
The Jets are starting to look like a team again, as are the Patriots. And who 
knows what that new coach (who is he? Where did he come from?  :)  ) for the
Dolts--I mean, the Colts will be able to do (he can't so any worse!). But look
for the Bills to sweep the Dolphins and Colts, but maybe have trouble with the
Jets and patriots. As for the AFC title, the winner WILL come from the AFC 
East, and we all KNOW it will be the Bills!!!  :)

				-Jonny B.

P.S.--> I am a Bills backer 100%, but I unfortuantely see a light at the end 
of the tunnel...the Bills will not be able to dominate as much as they have 
-- 
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From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Different group for CFL
Date: 20 Jul 92 19:03:57 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

umwu0014@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Charles Bo Wu) writes:

> In <1992Jul16.092413.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> msherrick@kean.ucs.mun.ca (Mike Sherr
>>In article <92197.171710JMOORE@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, JMOORE@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writ
>
>>> Why doesn't someone set up a separate group for the Canadian league?
>> I too would like to see a separate group for the CFL.
>     I also like to have such a group. I think there should be enough CFL news
> reader in the net. Just waiting someone to start it up!

Let me second (or fourth, or whatever) this motion!  Some motivated person
should get this started, and the rest of us will enthusiastically support
the group.

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From: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui)
Subject: 49ers' kickers
Reply-To: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:47:40 GMT


     What is the situation?  I have seen enough of Mike Cofer (14/28 FG
last year).  The game against the Falcons just killed me.  If he didn't
miss 4 FGs, there would be no Hail Mary at the end, and the Niners might
have made the playoffs.....
     They signed World Leaguer Robbie Keen in the off-season.  Keen is
both a kicker and a punter.  Is he still around?

Edward Hui
From: rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Buffalo Bills
Date: 26 Jul 92 01:19:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department

I see a lot of postings lately about a lot of teams beating the
Bills. I know preseason is a time of hope, but let's not get 
ridiculous. 
This Bills team has been losing about one game a season to 
division opponents, and AFC East team has SWEPT (big words for 
little teams) the Bills for a while.
None of the AFC East teams are qualified to dominate the Bills.
It's hard to imagine the Bills dropping more than 2 games in
the division. And even harder to imagine, them dropping both to 
the same opponent.
A real threat to an AFC third title, is more likely to come
from a quality team, like Houston or the Raiders.
Even the inconsistant Chiefs might have a streak (3 for them)
of good games and beat Buffalo, but I doubt it.

Ron Fedkiw
UB Alumni

By the way I am NOT a Raiders fan, so don't misinterpret the 
fact that LA is mentioned first in the above list.
I spent 23 years in Buffalo, and have been a Bills fan for life.
I saw them beat Pittsburg (they make KC look consistant) in 
Buffalo during one of their 2-14 seasons. 
Back then they used to get swept.
Paybacks a bitch!
For all you AFC East fans, I wish you a fun 2-14 season.
I'll see you at the Super Bowl .... actually I won't (but you'll 
see me, watching the Bills that is. Even if the only thing they 
win is a spot in the record books next to Minnesota)

--
Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu)

A plan is made by someone who is sitting and thinking ...
while others are doing.
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From: duncan@rat.Stanford.EDU (John Duncan)
Subject: Re: Cowboys' Rookies
Organization: VLSI Technology, Inc. San Jose, California
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 23:22:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.213449.9958@aero.org>, mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
|> Oh yeah, and I never answered your questin about the LB.  In Dallas's
|> scheme last year, not many passes were thrown to the RB against them,
|> and the LB were not allowed to blitz much.  Therefore, no int's and no
|> sacks. 
|> 
|> *ice*

	I don't have a stat sheet in front of me, but I seem to remember
Dixon Edwards returning a tipped pass for a touchdown against ?Cincinatti?
Am I wrong?  Or is this just figurative speech when you say no ints.

Just curious.

-- 
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From: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM (Nate McConnell FE/SSE Grand Rapids, MI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Moon walks at camp
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:11:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: ghidrah.central.sun.com
Keywords: $$$ dispute??


Heard that Moon walked out on the Oilers taining camp?  What is the story here?
Any news on when he'll be back?

Nate McConnell				|Undead:  MFL Coach of the Year 1991
nate.mcconnell@sun.com			|         NFF Central Champs '91
					|	  NFF East Champs '89 and '90
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Status of Players Suit
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:13:06 GMT

I wrote:
>the NFL owners have authorized the executive committee [...]
>to reach a binding agreement with the players and settle out of court.  

I just saw a new UPI report.  The negotiations between the NFL
committee and the lawyers in the Freeman McNeil trial have been called
off, and the trial will resume.

I told you not to trust my predictions, didn't I?


--Gidi
From: andy@sunbird.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: More Bears Stuff
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:33:37 GMT
Reply-To: andy@sunbird.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE)
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sunbird.central.sun.com

Bears FS Shawn Gayle,  who had thought to have had a broken
hip,  was diagnosed with a bone chip & should return in a
week.  An arthritic bone spurr broke  off during a contact
drill & was causing the problems.  


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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Browner could help Dallas!!!
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:10:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.033042.74959@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> aa05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ABDULMALIK A. ALHUSSEINI) writes:

   I do not understand why the Vikes released Browner. I thought he was solid
   last year. I also think that he probably has a couple of good years in
   him. 

Management claims that he failed his physical because of nerve damage, and
they have a supposedly objective liscenced doctor who will swear to this.  If
its true, then Dallas (and everybody else) probably don't want him.  The
other possible reason is his high salary.  He could help many teams if he
played the way he did last year, but he tailed off a ton, and wasn't worth
his salary.


Bill
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