HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: grengana@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Gopal Renganathan)
Subject: Re: CUT THIS CRAP
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:24:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.211736.29907@vela.acs.oakland.edu> asriniva@vela.acs.oakland.edu (PAAGAL) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.210120.28383@vela.acs.oakland.edu> rsivaram@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Siva) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec18.203350.25097@vela.acs.oakland.edu> asriniva@vela.acs.oakland.edu (PAAGAL) writes:
>>>hi netters
>>>
>>>I have been reading some real CRAP on Brahminism, Periyarism for the
>>>past 10 days, It has degenerated to such a level, That some people
>>>on net may even go to the extent of requesting the government to set
>>>up a a commission to find out who was born to Which WH***, Which W***
>>>is better. {Sorry I Had to use such strong Words,I have been patient
>>>enough reading this crap.}
>>>
>>>Maintain Some Modicum of Decency on the Net.
>>>
>>>
>>>Argue on issues in the right sense, Any Theory or philosophy directed
>>>against a particular community is bound to receive inflammatory responses.
>>>
>>>Periyar has said so many things about tamil literature, Talk about that,
>>>Dont' discuss things against a particular community, 
>>>
>>>Tomorrow some one will start on VANNIYARISM, and talk about social equality
>>>Projecting Ramdas.
>>>The next Some one will start on PILLAISM, MUDALIARISM, CHETTIARISM, THEVARISM
>>>And as much u want as there is no dearth of castes in tamilnadu.
>>>
>>>My Dear Friends who prompted me to write this, If u still go ahead and
>>>continue the crap please go ahead , We would soon see the Soc.Culture.Tamil
>>>group with the following SUBJECT LINES 
>>>
>>>Some examples
>>>
>>>Sub: Vadkalai Iyengar V Thenkalai Iyengar
>>>
>>>Sub:  Kurumbu  Goundar vs Vellala Goundar
>>>
>>>Sub: Kammuvar Naicker vs. {Saada} Naicker
>>>
>>>Sub: Sengundha Mudaliar vs {wild card} Mudaliar
>>>
>>>Sub: Vadama Iyer Vs Dosama Iyer
>>>
>>>Sub: Commati Chetis Vs { Other chettis}
>>>
>>>Sub: Thevar Vs Agamvudiar
>>
>>With all the examples you have provided, I can very well conclude
>>that you belong to Pillaimar. When you are laughing at various
>>castes, you should also be able to laugh at your own caste.
>>Otherwise you are a COWARD
>>
>>Edhilar Kutram Pol Tham kutram Kangirpin
>>Theedundo Mannum Vuirku
>>
>>-Thirukkural
>
>I am sorry to say u are wrong Mr.thirukural Siva
>
>I am  just a  RAJINI'S MOVIE { Manidhan}


Rajini is maharashtrian patil, why do U bring him to the tamil group
here ? 
I doubt whether he understands Tamil properly.
If U can't reply urself why do U take recourse to a third party guy ?

grengana.
-- 

=============================================================================

"What's going to happen in the next decade is that we'll figure out how
to make parallelism work."
	                                               Gopal Renganathan
	                                  Department of Comp. Sc. & Engg
	                                              Oakland University

==============================================================================
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:4285 soc.culture.indian:40691
From: kbalasub@sparcle.oracle.com (Kris Balasubramanian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Periyar's movement
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:17:24 GMT
Reply-To: kbalasub@sparcle.oracle.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

Mr Sundaramoorthy and Meenan Vishnu
 	You have done an excellent job of explaining Periyars logic.
I fully agree with you. His' was a radical approach and more of a shock treatment
and people were not prepared for that at that time, because of superstion,
conservatism, no education etc. I was a teen when his group broke the idols, which
shocked me. But now when I look back in retrospect I can appreciate and really
admire his courage to shatter some egos and myths and establishments.

People are exploited by releigon.. The number of Gods keep growing day by day in India. The General publics mentality is that if God X is not favourable to me then
try God Y else try Z ......., the philosophical and logical aspects of God is nolonger
understood by the masses and the few who know that do not care to educate
the rest to end the madness. I think Preiyar was a spark and we need him today
more than any other time.

Balu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: sivabala@ohm.ee.washington.edu ( Siva Bala Narayanan 9027936 )
Subject: Re: Tamil movie songs; lyrics request
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:22:12 GMT

Some corrections to the song "paadu nilaavE"

In article <1992Dec17.204605.22398@news.uakron.edu> arbi@paul.polymer.uakron.edu (The Dude) writes:
>
>1.	movie: udhaya geetham
>	music: ilaiyaraajaa
>	sung by: jaanaki, spb
>
>	paadu nilaavE, thEn kavidhai, poo malara
>	un paadalai, naan kEtkirEn, kEtkaamalE naan vaadinEn.
                          ^^^^^^^^
			  thEdinEn
>
>	nee pOgum paadhai en poongaavanam
>	nee paarkkum paarvai en brindhaavanam
>	oorengum pOgum un raagangalO?
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	oorengum un raaga oorgOlamO

>	en veedhi vaaraamal En pOgumO?
	   ^^^^^^
	   veedu
>	kaidhaana pOdhum, kaich chEra vENdum
>	unnOdu vaazhum, Or naaLum pOdhum.
>	en jenmamE eedERavE...
		   ^^^^^^^^
		   eedERumE
>
>	paadum nilaavE, thEn kavidhai, poo malarE;
>	un paadalai, naan kEtkirEn, paamaalayai naan kOrkkirEn.
>
>	oorengum pOgum en raagangalE,
>	un veedu thEdum in nErangalE.
>	poo meedhu thEn thoovum kaadhal vara
					^^^^
					varam
>	en nenju nee oodhum naadhasvaram.
	   ^^^^^
	   nenjil
>	kaavEri veLLam, kai sErath thoondum
				   ^^^^^^^^
				   thuLLum
>	raagangal sErum dhaagangal theerum.
>	kaadhal nilaa thoodhanadhE.
		      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
		      thoodhagumE
>
>
  < next two songs deleted >
>
>R Balaji
>Inst. of Polymer Science, Akron, OH 44325-3909
>arbi@iris.polymer.uakron.edu    (216) 972 8294

Siva
*****************************************************************************
Siva Bala Narayanan                        
Department of Electrical Engineering              BE MAN AND MAKE MAN
University of Washington                             -Swami Vivekananda
Seattle, WA 98195
*****************************************************************************
From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: minnal varigaL - 37
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:01:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.47131
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


	"silar allum pagalum veRum kallai irundhu vittu
	adirshtam illai endru alatti koLvaar!
	vizhithu kondOr ellaam pizhaithu kondaar !
	unPol kurattai vittOr ellaam kOttai vittar !!"

	From "thoongadey thambhi toongadey..."

	Contributed by Satish Subramanian
	 
	Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.
--------------------------------------------------------
Contributions Welcome. Please send YOUR minnal varigaL to
kanth@cse.ogi.edu. Anecdotes or personal experiences that
directly relate to the minnal varigaL are also welcome.
----------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
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Subject: Oracle DBA wanted
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:41:46 GMT


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From: rmv@ukc.ac.uk (raj)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: 1st
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:22:42 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

Finally I have managed to get the authorisation to post items to this
news group.
          
As many seemed to have liked the kavidhai  of bAradhi  dhAsan ,
I am sending  the whole  kavidhai.

I am using  "L"  for thami"L"



        thamiLukkum amuthendru  pEr! - andhath
        thamiL inbath thamiL engal' uyirukku nEr!
        thamiLukku  nilavendru pEr! - inbath
	thamiL engal' samuhathin vil'aivukku neer!
	thamiLukku maNam endru per! - inbath
	thamiL engal' vALvukku nirumitha  oor!
	thamLukku madhu endru pEr! - inbath
	thamiL engal' urimaich sem payirukku vEr!

	thamiL engal' urimaikku pAl! - inbath
	thamiL nalla puhal mikka pulavarkku vEl!
	thamiL enga' uyavukku vAn! - inbath
	thamiL engal' asathikku sudar thandha nEn!
	thamiL engal' aRivukku thOl'! -inbath
	thamiL engal' kavidhaikku vayirathin vAl'!
	thamiL engal' piRavikku  thAi! - inbath
	thamiL engal' val'mikka ul'mutRa  thee!


	anbudan

	    raj(UK)


                              ----thodarum
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: vaidhyan@ecn.purdue.edu (Ramesh Vaidhyanathan)
Subject: Re: Yuga purushan !!
Reply-To: vaidhyan@cn.ecn.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:36:29 GMT

In article <47058@ogicse.ogi.edu>, kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth) writes:
|> 
|> 			DECEMBER 11
|> 			-----------
|> 
|> 		Oru yuga purushan piRandha naaL !!
|> 		----------------------------------

	[Lot of interesting Barathiaar kavithaigal deleted ...]

|> 		nooRRi pathth(110) vadhu PIRANTHA DHINAMAAM iNRu 
|> 
|> 
|> Vaazhga Bharathi pugazh ! 	paravuga avan ezhuththin perumai!
|> 
|> 
|> 	Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.


	Very good post! Let me add some good lines I've read from
the `kavithaip puththagam', "kaviraajan kathai" penned by kaviNYar
vairamuththu:


"ithu eppadi saaththiyam?

 ettayapuraththilE mattum oruththikku
 neruppai sumantha karuppai?"


"kaviraajan kathai" is the biography of Barathiyaar written in
the form of `vasana kavithai'. It came as a `thodar' in a tamil
weekly magazine (saavi I guess) and later in the form of book.
I liked it very much.


And the following is a `vasana kavithai'(?!) I wrote in my
higher secondary days about Barathiyaar:


"Baarathiyaar ..., inthap Baarathi yaar?
 paavukke saarathiyO,
 paar athirap paadiathaal
 avan peyar BaarathiyO ...

 nimirntha nannadai,
 nEr koNda paarvai,
 kariya meesai,
 karjikkum kuralosai,

 pongi varum aruviyena
 solladum thiRam,
 peNmayin perumaigalai
 pathugakkum aRam,

 ivanthan paattukkoru pulavan Baarathi"


Does anyone know the remaining line(s) of the following
poem and who wrote this poem on Baarathiyaar? 

"paattukkoru pulavan Baarathiyadaa
 avan paattaip paNNOdoruvan paadinaanadaa
 kEttuk kirukiruththup pOnEnadaa
 antha ________ ennavendru solvenadaa"  (correct this line!)


Anbudan,

-Ramesh Vaidhyanathan.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: "nila" paadalgal.
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 04:37:10 GMT

In <1992Dec19.231839.4270@news2.cis.umn.edu> subraman@myria.cs.umn.edu (Satish Subramanian) writes:

>In article <1h048gINNc9m@menudo.uh.edu> Venkatachalam Aruna <aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu> writes:
>>In article <BzH25t.1L06@austin.ibm.com> speri@austin.ibm.com (S. Periyasamy)  
>>writes:
>>> > [1] nilavE ennidam nerungathE, nee ninaikkum [movie:???]
>>> > [2] nilavu oru peNNagi [movie: ulagam suRRum vaaliban]
>>> > [3] nilavukku en mEl ennadi kOpam [movie: pOlicekaaran makal]
>>> > [4] maasilla nilave [movie: ???]
>>> > [5] vaaraayO veNNilavE, kElayo [movie: missiamma]
>>> > [6] vaa veNNilaa unnaithane [movie: mella thiranthathu kadhavu]
>>> > [7] vaanilE then nilaa [movie: kaakkich chattai]
>>> > [8] vaan nilaa nilaa [movie: pattinap pravesam]
>>> > [9] nilaak kaayuthu neram nalla [movie: sakala kalaa vallavan]
>>> > [10] vaanil muzhu madhiyai kandEn [movie: ???]
>>> > [11] veNNilave, veNNilave [movie: vanchik kOttai vaaliban]
>>>  [12] nilaak kaayum nEram, saranam [movie: Sembaruththi]
>>>  [13] nilavondru kandEn, un jannalil [movie: Raagankal Maaruvathillai]
>>>  [14] nilaavE vaa, ullaasam ( <-- not sure) thaa [movie: ??]
>>>  [15] nilavaip paarthu vaanam sonnathu ennaith thodaathE [movie: ??]
>>>  [16] nilavu thoongum nEram, en ninaivu thoongidaathu [movie: Kungumach
>>>                                                            chimil ??]
>>>  [17] nilavennum aadai kondaalO, [movie: ??]
>>    
>>   [18] oru nilavaip paarthu malaraip paarthEn.[???]
>>   [19] nilavenna pEsumo [???]
>>   [20] inbam ponkum veNNilaa veesuthE [veerapaandiya kattabomman]
>>   From J.Anand's [Zombie Dude] posting:
>>   [21] Nilave vaa    [ Mouna Raagam ]
>>   [22]	Nilavu vandhadhu nilavu vandhadhu [ Endrum Anbudan ]
>>   [23]	Nila adhu vaanathu mele [ Naayagan ]
>>

>   [24]  Nilave malarae...., mannil vanda nilave en madhiyil putha malarae 
>   [25]  Andha nilava than naan kaiyila puduchen [Mudhal mariyadai]

>>> I'm sure there are lot more "nila" songs, add them to the list as you
>>> recollect.
>>> - Peri.

>>Venkat
   May I add "vaNNam koNda veNNilavE"
            "mayakkum maalaip pozhuthE nee pO pO 
             inikkum inpa nilavE nee vaa vaa


  Kathiravan.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:4493 soc.culture.indian:41373
From: gopals@astro.umd.edu (N. Gopalswamy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: parallel proverbs!
Date: 19 Dec 92 03:07:40 GMT
Organization: U. of Maryland @ College Park, Astronomy

In article <1992Dec19.014542.24749@news.ysu.edu> ah724@yfn.ysu.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
>
> [5] Tamil: "thaayaip pOla piLLai, noolaip pOla chElai"
>     Hindi: jaisaa raajaa, vaisaa prajaa
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	This is similar to
	"Mannan  evvazhi makkaL avvazhi"
	because power rather than 'blood relation' is implied.
>     English: Like father, like son.
>
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Venkat
>>
>
>-- 
>peace,
>sundara pandian
>ah724@yfn.ysu.edu

gopal
From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Subject: Re: Yuga purushan !!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:54:00 GMT

In article <2B2A511B.7879@news.service.uci.edu> sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy) writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.001057.10462@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara) writes:
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Does anyone know the remaining line(s) of the following
>>>poem and who wrote this poem on Baarathiyaar?
>>>
>>>"paattukkoru pulavan Baarathiyadaa
>>> avan paattaip paNNOdoruvan paadinaanadaa
>>> kEttuk kirukiruththup pOnEnadaa
>>> antha ________ ennavendru solvenadaa"  (correct this line!)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>  "anthak kirukkil uLaRumozhi poRuppayada"
>>
>>
>>S. Sankarapandi
>
>	This poem is by Naamakkal Ve. Ramalingam Pillai, who was popularly
>	known as 'Naamakkal Kavignar'. He continued the spirit of
>	Independence movement with his songs, after Bharathi met with
>	unfortunate death. He was the first 'Arasavaik Kavignar', 
>	appointed by K.Kamaraj, the then Chief Minister of TN. 

	A correction: Namakkal Kavignar was appointed as the 'Poet Laurate'
	of Madras province by the then Chief Minister Kumaraswamy Rajah, 
	alongwith three other poets from Telugu, Malayalam and Kannada.

	When Rajaji became CM he withdrew the financial support to the
	poets as a part his program to cut the government spendings.

	 Namakkal Kavignar was nominated as a Member of Legislative 
	Council by K. Kamaraj. 
>
>	M. Sundaramoorthy
>	sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu 
>

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kumar@infonode.ingr.com (Mahesh Kumar)
Subject: Re: Bramin-Controlled media? in TN? Come on Get REAL!!!!!
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:46:25 GMT

In article <kat.724633506@kehleyr> kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:
>In <1992Dec16.003934.10497@newsgate.sps.mot.com> sriram@tura.sps.mot.com (P. S. Sriram) writes:
>
>    <<lot of other stuff deleted>>
>         periyaar had enough wealth and he did not seek power like
>raajaaji, jeya and Co.  
>
     You seem to conveniently ignore 'stinkbomb' KArunandhi from the list.

Mahesh Kumar
std. disclaimer 
> 
>Kathiravan


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: CBSF20@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mateen Hussain)
Subject: NEXT DAY SERVICE FROM MADRAS?
Organization: Motorola
Date: 14 Dec 1992 14:59:55 CST

HI NETTERS
I NEED TO GET SOMETHING FROM MADRAS RIGHTAWAY,'WAS WONDERING IF
ANYONE KNOW  OF ANY COMPANIES THAT OFFER NEXT (1-3) DAY DELIVERY.
THANXALOT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: ali@fvtcmd07.austin.ibm.com (Saleem Mohammad Ali)
Subject: paadal varigal.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:25:03 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

Can some one mail the lines of the song:

"Maadhavip pon mayilaaL, thogai virithaaL..."

with meanings of some uncommon words (like "kooNal")

Thank you.

-Saleem M. Ali
From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: minnal varigaL - 40
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:27:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.47299
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


       "en vaazhkai nadhiyil karai onRu kandEn!
 	un nenjil EdhO kaRai ondru kandEn!

 	puriyaadhadhaalE thirai pOttu vaithEn;
 	thirai pOtta pOthum aNai pOdavillai!
 	maRaiththidum thiraithanai 
		vilakki vaippaayO! viLakki vaippAyO!"

( Note the words 'karai','kaRai' and 'vilakki','viLakki')

	From "ilakkaNam maaRuthO..."

	Contributed by Siva Bala Narayanan

	Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.
--------------------------------------------------------
Contributions Welcome. Please send YOUR minnal varigaL to
kanth@cse.ogi.edu. Anecdotes or personal experiences that
directly relate to the minnal varigaL are also welcome.
----------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: ah724@yfn.ysu.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Subject: Re: parallel proverbs!
Reply-To: ah724@yfn.ysu.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:42:01 GMT


In a previous article, gopals@astro.umd.edu (N. Gopalswamy) says:

>In article <1992Dec19.014542.24749@news.ysu.edu> ah724@yfn.ysu.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
>>
>> [5] Tamil: "thaayaip pOla piLLai, noolaip pOla chElai"
>>     Hindi: jaisaa raajaa, vaisaa prajaa
>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	This is similar to
>	"Mannan  evvazhi makkaL avvazhi"
>	because power rather than 'blood relation' is implied.
>>     English: Like father, like son.

    The Hindi proverb is a *parallel* proverb to the Tamil
 and the English ones in [5]. However, I agree with you 
 that `jaisaa raajaa, vaisaa prajaa' fits more with the
 Tamil proverb `mannan evvazhi, makkaL avvazhi'. These are
 the same proverb! ( They mean the same ). So I accept your
 suggestion and change [5].


  [5] Tamil: "thaayaip pOla piLLai, noolaip pOla sElai"
      English: Like father, like son

  [6] Tamil : "mannan evvzhi, makkaL avvazhi"
      Hindi: jaisaa raajaa vaisaa prajaa

One more:

  [7] Tamil: "muLLai muLLaal edu"
      Telugu: mullunu mulluthOnE theeyali
      Sanskrit: kanthake naiva kanthakam.
>>-- 
>>sundara pandian

>gopal

-- 
peace,
sundara pandian
ah724@yfn.ysu.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: tss@unislc.uucp (Srinivasan Thothathri)
Subject: yuga purushan - correction.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Summary: Yuga purushan 
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:56:16 GMT
Keywords: Pattukkoru pulavan...

Dear Mr Sankarapandian,

	The poem "pAttukkoru pulavan..." is NOT written by Naamakkal kavignar!!
It was actually written by Kavimani Desika Vinaayagam Pillai..

	I know I am right, because, During the Bharathiyar Centanary Celebration
there was a all college level quiz on Bharathiyar (way back in 1981 or 82) in 
Tamilnadu. I participated and this question was asked and I my answer was 
Naamakkal Kavignar!!!. The judge ruled out my answer.. But I won the Ist prize..

	Usually you will see kavimani wrote poems which would be very soft.
Always his poem used to end in a very soft and feminine touch. But When he
was going to sing on Bharathiyaar, even Kavimani gets that 'UthvEgam"!!.
This song is also there in a book "kavimani malargal", a collection of his
poems.

	Like parimElzhagar for KuRal, Kavimani is a critic for Bharathi.
Because when Bharathyaar's songs were collected, there were many "missing"
peices of his poems. People like Kavimani, and Dr. Ra Ra tried to connect
the missing parts of those poems. These things you will find in the book
"Bharathi Darisanam" by Ra Ra.

I am mad after Bharathi from my 4th or 5th standard!!. A great poet with vision
and Vidhvadh!!

	Look at these lines!!!

	Nenjil Uramuminri nErmaith thiRamuminRi
	Vanjanai CheivAradi kiLiE,
	vAichollil vEEraradi !!

and

	OrAyiram varudam Oyindu kidanda pinnar
	vArAdu pOl vanda mAmaniyaith thORpOmO ?	[Kanneer vittO vaLarthOm ]

and

	OOrai EthidAmE, nenjath thuRthi kondridAmE
	OOrai ALum muRaimai ulagil OrpuRathumillai!! [ Panjali sabatham]
	sAramTRa vArthai, mElE sarithai sOlluginROm..


Really a poet for all seasons and all time of our country....

Srinivasan Thothathri.
From: sp2@cec2.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Modern Literature & valai Malar
Date: 19 Dec 1992 16:39:20 -0600
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In a previous article, gopals@astro.umd.edu (N. Gopalswamy) says:

>I am surprised at the zero response to the Min valai Malar 'a'. I saw
>a couple of comments on a.1. However, I did not see a single response 
>to a.2! I see a hesitation there. While there is abundant discussion
>on 'thirai ilakkiyam', I see the opposite for serious literature.

    It is not `zero' response actually. I got one reply from a SCT
reader commenting on my story in the December issue.

    The December issue of `a' is a long one and it is probable that
some readers have not fully read it. But replies or comments on
`a' need not be on the full issue, like the review of Sankarapandi
on the November issue. Comments on individual articles, like stories
or poems in `a' are also welcome. ( Letters sent after Friday (Dec 25) 
will not be accepted. )

    I am not surprised at the poor response for the last two issues
of `a' from the majority of SCT readers as they did not comment on
Sundaramoorthy's proposal anyway, but I am surprised at the zero
response from the people who welcomed the proposal of this magazine
in the net.  

>
>Why is this? Is it because the theme is not kaathal? We have the
>ancient tradition of love and war as the only two primary subjects of
>poetry. It is true that these two subjects are based on our
>two biological needs, we have already traveled to higher planes
>today. In the middle ages, we replaced war with bakthi. kaathalum
>kaLamum became kaathalum kadavuLum. Now our cinema poets mostly
>stop with kaathal. 
>

   I think that the poor response to this magazine is probably because
 it is not a commercial one. It is not that its theme is not love. 

>
>gopal
>

- SP

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: auwwaiyaar's wisdom
Summary: kayavar,saanROr
Keywords: wisdom
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:56:48 GMT

   How do you classify people according to conduct?
   Who are kayavars and who are saanROrs?

   Ans: auwwaiyaar's moothurai  --23

  kaRpiLavO toppar kayavar kadunsinaththup
  poRppiLavOdu oppaarum pOlvaarE-viRppidiththu
  neerkizhiya aitha vaduppOla maaRumE
  seerozhuku  saanROr sinam.

 meaning:
       "kayavar" are people who when angry break like stone.
        People who are better break up like gold that can be fused together.
        saanROr are the wise whose heart is not sundered like the
        water the pointed arrows shoots into.

  kathiravan
From: rengi@vax2.concordia.ca (RENGARAJAN, SAMPATH)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: New Tamil Movie Song, Sung without the lips contacting each other
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:22:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In the Latest RaamaRaajan Movie "Villu Paatukkaaran", there is song
that comes out of a challenge between the Hero and Heroin that the 
Hero sings a Villu Paattu without his lower and upper lips contacting.

This song is by Vaali

Can anyone has the complete text for this song ?

Rengi