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From: de2brown@lambert.waterloo.edu (Darren Brown)
Subject: Toronto 4, Detroit 2
Keywords: toronto detroit acker morris
Organization: University of Waterloo
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:10:43 GMT

The Jim Acker pitch alike contest got off to a roaring start as Bill Gullickson gave up 2 taters in 6 innings, and Jack Morris gave up 2 taters in his 9 innings of work.

BDDD info: Fielder(9th inn.) 422ft.
   	   Deer(9th inn.)    402ft.

Detroit: Gullickson 6 innings, Leiter 2, Lancaster 1.
	 Fielder and Deer got the only rbi's on HR's in the ninth.

Toronto: Morris got off to a good start, going 9 innings, 5 hits, 3 walks and
	 7 strike outs.
	 Winfield went 3/4, 1 RBI
	 Home runs by Olerud and Borders
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Oakland A's Dream Team
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:01:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: adobe.1992Apr8.170109.1848
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In conjunction with their celebration of 25 years in Oakland, the A's held
fan balloting last year for the Oakland A's dream team, for fans to pick
the best players who had worn the green and gold of the Oakland A's.  The
dream team picked by the fans, like most such teams, tended to be heavy
with current players, picking only the very best from the past.  I decided
to compare it with what I thought a real dream team should be, restricting
myself, of course, to Oakland A's, so no Jimmy Foxx on this team.  

	Fan's pick		But did you consider...
C	Terry Steinbach		Gene Tenace

Gene Tenace is a very underrated ballplayer, who posted a career OBA of
.380 and a career slugging of .429.  You might quibble with this pick,
though, because Tenace played a lot of first for the A's.  If you discount
Tenace because of that, then Steinbach is a good pick.  He's a better
hitter than Ray Fosse (even if you don't hold Fosse's current job as worst
color commentator known to man against him), and a far better hitter than Dave
Duncan (who doesn't get points here for being a good pitching coach).
Mickey Tettleton hadn't yet turned into a hitter when he played in Oakland,
and Mike Heath isn't as good as Steinbach.

1B	Mark McGwire		no candidate

Maybe Tenace, but McGwire has quite a bit better power, without sacrificing
too much in OBA.  Tenace gets some points because his career is over, and
we don't know how McGwire will age, but at this point, I'd go with McGwire.

2B	Mike Gallego		Dick Green

Well, if you're going to go with a good field, no-hit second baseman, you
could at least go with a guy who played more often.  Joe Morgan played a
year here at the end of his career, but I don't think that's quite enough
to edge out Green.  

3B	Carney Lansford		Sal Bando

Actually pretty similar.  Lansford hits for higher average, Bando walks
more, about the same power.

SS	Bert Campaneris		Walt Weiss

I'd still have to go with Campy over Weiss, though, especially since Weiss
can't stay healthy.

OF	Reggie Jackson
OF	Rickey Henderson
OF 	Jose Canseco

How can you argue with that troika?  I liked watching Dwayne Murphy, and I
always thought Joe Rudi was a fine ballplayer, but they're certainly not in
this class.

DH	Dave Parker		Dave Kingman

Yes, he was obnoxious, but he did hit better than Parker did in Oakland.

SP	Catfish Hunter
SP	Dave Stewart
SP	Bob Welch		Ken Holtzman
SP	Vida Blue

Ken Holtzman posted seasons of 19-11, 2.51; 21-13, 2.97; 19-17, 3.07;
18-14, 3.15; compared to Welch's 17-9, 3.64; 17-8, 3.00; 27-6, 2.95; 12-13,
4.58.  No quibble with the rest.

RP	Dennis Eckersley
RP	Rollie Fingers

No problem here.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: desert@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (Desert Man...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: DON'T  read this...!!!
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:20:57 GMT
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Organization: Univ. of Arizona...,TSN, AZ...
Nntp-Posting-User: desert

Hmmm... You're reading it!!!  Didn't i tell you not to read!!!?  ;-)

Anyways... My prediction(s):

AL West:	Texas    (Who else...?)
		Chicago  (I don't like their jerseys! So sue me!:)
		Seattle  (Great OF but not a well matured defense...)
		Minn.	 (I don't like them...)
		Okland	 (Get rid of that ugly green jerseys and attitudes...)
		K.C.	 (Too old for anything...)
		Calif.	 (They should join Beach Boys...)

As for the rest... Who cares... Major league should be limited to ALWest.

D Man...
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From: hjeat@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Jerry Eaton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: NL Roster questions...
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:56:59 GMT
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Organization: Chevron Exploration & Production Services, Houston, TX.

In article <1992Apr9.002059.5311@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.175210.29000@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov> frisbee@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Tyler Brown) writes:
>>A little while back, someone kindly posted a compilation of opening
>>day rosters from USA Today. I have a few questions:
>>
>>I show the Astros with 24 men. Mike Simms is not included. Is this
>>an oversight?
>
>Actually, no.  I might have omitted a name, but Simms was not on the roster.
>There are 10 pitchers, 2 catchers, 8 infielders, and 5 outfielders.
>

Mike Simms was out of reassignment-to-the minors options, and the Astros
traded Simms in the last few days of Spring training to the Philles for RHP
Jason Grimsley, who had major control problems last year. Grimsley was assigned
to the Astros AAA team in Tuscon (PCL). I don't know if the Phillies are
carrying Simms on the major league roster or not.
-- 
           Jerry Eaton
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From: kenneth@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Sierra and Clemente
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:25:58 GMT


HO-kay, once an 4 all:

Sierra is a much better player in today's game.  Why? He's only, what,
26 years old, and Clemente is DEAD!

In his day, Clemente was a much better player.  Why? Because he was more
than somebody's embryo!

Ah, well.  carry on.  :)

Ken
From: clmn@quads.uchicago.edu (Bill Coleman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: MATT YOUNG TOSSES NO-HITTER, LOSES 2-1
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:20:57 GMT
Reply-To: clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Department of Economics

In article <UduOXvy00Uh_I2mJ0v@andrew.cmu.edu> Michael Scott Neiberg <mn1s+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>So according to the new (and IMHO lousy) rule on no-nos a home team
>pitcher can only get a no-no if he loses, right?  SOunds pretty dumb to
>me.  The rule also erases Haddix' great feat in Milwaukee.  Pretty lame 

I don't understand.  The home team always has to pitch nine full innings
unless the game is shortened).  There might not be a bottom of the ninth,
but there's always a top of the ninth.

-- 
Bill Coleman
From: bst@wang.com (Bruce Tannenbaum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Biggio
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:03:39 GMT
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA

spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:

>In <0dvAieC00UhW89hLRC@andrew.cmu.edu> King-Han Yao <ky0l+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>>Can someone please inform me why/when/how Biggio became a second baseman?

>>I've never heard of another case where a catcher transformed into a
>>second baseman.

>Probably that's because its never happened before.

Wait a second (no pun intended.)!  Didn't Geno Petralli once play second
base???  Where the heck is my Baseball Guide????????
-- 
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VoiceCom Systems Inc., San Francisco, CA and Tewksbury, MA.
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From: richarr@bullet.ecf (RICHARDSON  ROBBIE)
Subject: Blue and Grey
Originator: richarr@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:58:08 GMT

   I keep reading these position by position analysis messages between the
Bosox and the Jays. What about the factor of chemistry? I mean if you look at
the two teams player by player they look considerable equal yet only one team
will win the division and I have a feeling this year it won't be by just one
game. Whether it's Toronto or Boston I say the AL east champion will scoop
the division by a margin of four or five games. There are some real similarities
on both of these teams whether it be the: Plantier/Bell high expectation 
similarity, the Frank "I'm only here because Morris is in Toronto" Viola/ Jack
"I make more money than Viola" Morris offseason signing similarity, or the
Boston/Toronto postseason choke similarity. What I'm saying this year is
whatever team gets along together better will prevail.


   In the National League, everyone goes with Cincy, well I LOVE the Dodgers!!
Now that Candiotti has a catcher that can handle him he should do better
and I say SHOULD! Hershiser looks really good and Ramon "What shoulder problem?"
Martinez gives the Dodgers the beginning of an effective rotation. Dodger
hitting looks good this year. Hell, I think the Blue Boys will give Cincy
a run for their money!!

  One question (seriously): Does anyone know if the Reds ever took any heat
in the 50's and 60's for their name? You know the big communist scare era?


-=*>robb
From: dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Honus the Wagner
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:51:23 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

I've received a number of email missives asking me why I don't think Cal
Ripken has a chance to be the best (greatest, most valuable, etc.) shortstop
of all time.  I can answer in two words:

	Honus Wagner.

From some of the letters, it's clear that many people are not familiar with
the character and magnitude of Wagner's accomplishments, so I thought I'd
remedy that to some small extent.

Here are some of the things that Honus Wagner did:

Led the league in

	batting average 8 times  (including 4 consecutive years)

	doubles 7 times  (4 consecutive)

	slugging average 6 times  (3 consecutive)

	stolen bases 5 times 

	RBIs 5 times (for those who care about these things)

	on-base percentage 4 times (3 consecutive)

	triples 3 times

	runs twice

	hits twice

	Runs Created 7 times (4 consecutive)

	Putouts twice

	Double Plays 4 times

(His defensive totals were sabotaged a bit by the fact that he could play
 any defensive position, and did when necessary: 372 games in the outfield,
 248 at first base, 209 at third base, 57 at second base.  He was among the
 best shortstops of his day, along with Bill Dahlen and Joe Tinker and
 Mickey Doolan.)

So, we have a player who was the offensive equivalent of Eddie Mathews or
Harmon Killebrew or Reggie Jackson, while playing premier defense at shortstop,
and stealing 50 bases per year.  He led the league in BA, OBP, SLG, and SB
in the same year *three* times.

	
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  A poem should be dumb, / As old  | Is fit for treason, stratagems, and spoils
 medallions to the thumb.-MacLeish | 	Shakespeare, "Merchant of Venice", A.V
From: traven@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Neal Traven )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Subjective trivia question
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:37:54 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <7822@travis.csd.harris.com> monty@SSD.CSD.HARRIS.COM (Monty Norwood) writes:
>In article <204742@unix.cis.pitt.edu> dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
>
>>Oh, so close.  Cochrane led the league (AL) in OBP in 1933, at .459, beating
>>the .449 posted by Jimmy Foxx for the same team (oof).  Max Bishop (.446),
>>*also* with the A's, was third.  That's some kind of astonishing top of the
>>order, especially with Foxx slugging .703.  The team was second in HR, first
>>in SLG, second in OBP(!), and finished...third.  Essentially tied for last
>>in team ERA.
>
>Was this the era of the fabulous baker bowl? I remember reading a funny 
>comment about the Philly outfielders having to wear gloves on the back of their
>heads to protect themselves from balls bouncing off the outfield walls.
>
>Anyway, the Baker Bowl was apparently quite a bandbox. Whether it was in use
>for the above mentiened season, I don't know.

Yes, Baker Bowl was in use in 1933.  The Phillies played there until (I 
believe) 1938.

What that has to do with Mickey Cochrane, who played for the A's, escapes me.

The A's home field was Shibe Park, later renamed Connie Mack Stadium.  It most
certainly didn't have a short porch in RF, as Baker Bowl did.  I don't recall
its 1933 dimensions -- see _Green Cathedrals_ for that -- but in the 50s and 
60s it was 329 down one line, 334 down the other, and 447 to center.  The RF
wall was about 30 feet high, and the scoreboard rose to about 75 feet in right
center.

Cochrane's an interesting case.  He's one of the very few players in history
who vastly improved his walks in mid-career.  In an article for the GABSB after
the 1987 season, during which Von Hayes had *doubled* his BB/PA percentage, I
found Cochrane to be the only similar player among quite a few that I reviewed.
[Of course, I failed to see that Dewey Evans also did it -- I had assumed that
he had always walked a lot].
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From: dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Sierra and Clemente
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:06:52 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <6APR199220141825@mitme5.mit.edu> kettler@mitme5.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.) writes:
>Okay, I will give my objection. Clemente first was stuck at Brooklyn's minor 
>league team in Montreal for a while since Brooklyn already had four black 
>players when he signed with them. While there, the manager would only leave 
>Clemente in when he played so-so but took him out when Clemente had an 
>exceptional game so the scouts of the opposing teams would not know how good he
>was.

He can't have been stuck there very long; he was a regular in the majors at
age 20...

>Furthermore, had he not died in that plane crash in 1972 while bringing food to
>hurricane victims in Nicaragua, he could have easily played a few more seasons 
>and would have definately ended his career with over 3500 hits.

3500 hits would have taken more than three more seasons of full-time play.
I don't know that he could have done that.  

Besides, these don't really contradict any of the points I was making about
Sierra and Clemente (which I've since moderated slightly).  Age for age, 
Sierra has been a better offensive player than Clemente every year so far.


-- 
          David M. Tate            |"The man who hath no music in himself
     dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu       | Nor is not moved by concord of sweet sound
  A poem should be dumb, / As old  | Is fit for treason, stratagems, and spoils
 medallions to the thumb.-MacLeish | 	Shakespeare, "Merchant of Venice", A.V
From: hjeat@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Jerry Eaton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Regarding Henry
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:47:50 GMT
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Organization: Chevron Exploration & Production Services, Houston, TX.

In article <1992Apr6.173641.18102@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <2752@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com> hjeat@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Jerry Eaton) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr3.224352.19855@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov> frisbee@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Tyler Brown) writes:
>>>Last time I checked, Dwayne Henry was in the Cincinnati Reds bullpen. Maybe
>>>they have a place for him after all...
>>>
>>Dwayne Henry is indeed in the Cincinnati bullpen. Butch Henry, no relation,
>>is in the starting rotation in Houston.
>
>Since Dwayne Henry pitched quite well for the Astros in 1991 (before they
>released him over the winter), I can understand why someone might think
>he was still on the team.  Where the heck did Butch Henry come from?  I'd
>never heard of him.
>-- 
>Ted Frank          + "A word is not a crystal, transparent and unchanged, it
>1307 E 60 St, #109 +  is the skin of a living thought and may vary greatly in
>U o' C Law Skool   +  color and content according to the circumstances and
>Chi, IL 60637      +  the time in which it is used."  --  Holmes

Butch Henry was the surprise of the Astros camp. He pitched at AA level in '91
and very effectively this Spring. He's a RHer, 23(?) years old. His last outing
was against the Braves, going 7 IP, 2 H, 0 R. If he struggles early, Jeff
Juden and Brian Williams look like the most likely callups from Tuscon.
-- 
           Jerry Eaton
     hjeat@usho29.chevron.com
From: scstr@ecl.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: bosox lose...
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:30:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: ecl.1992Apr8.163058.3892
Organization: Engineering Computer Lab, Pennsylvania State University

In article <92098.182311IO20149@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, IO20149@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
> The Boston Red Sox lost their opener today to the New York Yankees.
> Roger Clemens took the complete game loss on the mound in the 4-3
> decision. Scott Sanderson earned the win and Steve Farr nailed down
> his first save of this young season.

As a Yankee fan, I know that this kind of thing (ie., beating Clemens)
does *not* happen often.  Oh well, I'll take my positives whenever
I can.  :-)

STR
From: odp@ldgo.columbia.edu (carl brenner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: baseball quiz #1
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:08:08 GMT
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory

In article <1992Apr17.161244.15782@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, sw36+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott Michael White) says:
> 
> >BASEBALL QUIZ #1


> >3.      WHO PLAYED THE LONGEST TIME (MOST YEARS) IN A METS UNIFORM?
>      How about Tom Seaver?  Except, it almost seems too easy.


	No, this *must* be Eddie Kranepool, still the Mets' alltime leader
in several offensive categories (at least the ones that are longevity-dependant).



> Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu      


	
Carl Brenner
From: traven@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Neal Traven )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Forbes Field SABR ... and a request
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:41:47 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Greetings,

The Forbes Field chapter of SABR held its first meeting of 1992 last Saturday
at the Pirates' offices in Three Rivers Stadium.  Most of the meeting consisted
of reports on eight 'great teams of the past' as defined by Sports Illustrated 
(the general consensus was that most of these clubs were listed largely 
because they won the World Series, in many cases by defeating a heavily favored
opponent).  The teams discussed were:

	1905 Giants			1924 Senators
	1907 Cubs			1929 Athletics
	1914 Braves			1934 Cardinals
	1915 Red Sox			1954 Giants

An interesting historical footnote about the Gas House Gang -- on June 28(?),
1934, Dizzy Dean was incorrectly named the winning pitcher of a Cardinal
victory.  He took a lead into the top of the 9th, but ran out of gas and was
relieved with the Cards ahead 6-5.  The reliever gave up a hit that tied the
game before ending the inning, and the Redbirds then won it in the bottom of
the 9th.  For some unexplained reason, the Official Scorer gave Dean the win.

This was totally incorrect under both 1934 and current rules, yet the Scorer's
decision was never reversed.  Newspapers of the time made a big stink about it,
too.

So Dean didn't *really* win 30 games that year.

	**********************

Our next meeting will take place on July 18, starting in the afternoon and
culminating with a night game against the Cubs.  Note to Dr. Dave  -- write
that date in your calendar RIGHT NOW; no more excuses about other events that
keep you from attending local SABR events! 

At that meeting, I will be discussing our plans to run a mock expansion draft
at our November meeting.  My request revolves around that mock draft.  I need
to find out the exact timetable and procedures for the expansion draft.  Among
the important issues:

	-- how many players does each team protect?  Does it differ by league?
	-- what players don't have to be protected (e.g., recent draftees)?
	-- how many players does each team lose?
	-- how many are reprotected after a player is taken?
	-- what happens to free agents?
	-- which team drafts first?  Do they alternate by round?
	-- how many rounds will there be?
	-- when are the protected/eligible lists due?
	-- when is the actual draft?

I know that the whole procedure must have been printed somewhere, perhaps in
Baseball America or Baseball Weekly.  If so, does anyone know where?

Thanks for your help...


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From: thornley@cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Bobby Valentine uses Al Newman to leadoff!
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:02:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr8.210253.8638
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

In article <1992Apr8.181455.24981@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>Al "I can't hit *or* walk" Newman leading off?
>
Hey, Al led the Twins in walks one year (yeah, I know, faint praise).
Walking is what he does best as a hitter.  The only problem is that he
hits so badly that a bushel of walks is capable of bringing him up to
a medium lousy OBP.

David Thornley
"Al Newman - batted leadoff on two separate teams!"