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From: Quinn <quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Coppers on Bikes at Night with only a Vista light
X-Xxdate: Thu, 17 Dec 92 02: 27:05 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d13
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:28:48 GMT

In article <daavid.724510783@wombaj.kowari.cpsg.com.au> Daavid Turnbull,
daavid@bohra.cpg.oz.au writes:
>and that the last 6 inches of the mud guard had to be white

What last 6 inches of the mud guard?  What mud guard?  I am breaking
the law?  Cringe.

Quinn "The Eskimo!"      <quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au>     "Support HAVOC!"
Department of Computer Science, The University of Western Australia
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Newsgroups: aus.bicycle
From: guy@trofis.tfrc.csiro.au (Guy Carpenter)
Subject: Cyclists safer than motorists in car pollution: Greenpeace
Organization: CSIRO Tropical Forest Research Centre
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 21:45:10 GMT

This article is from the Dec 92 issue of Earth Garden, reproduced without
permission (gasp!).  I'd like to see the original research paper if one
exists.

----------

Cyclists Safer than Motorists in Car Pollution: Greenpeace.

Cyclists face substantially less risk from exhaust fumes than car drivers
and passengers, according to a report by Greenpeace.  The report says that
car users can be exposed to pollution levels that are up to 18 times higher
than those affecting cyclists and pedestrians.  The levels of benzene, a
carcinogen for which the World Health Organisation says there is no safe 
threshold, were found to be two to 18 times higher inside cars than
outside.  Levels of carbon monoxide were two to 14 times higer, and
those of notrogen dioxide 1.3 to 2.5 times higer, both exceeding
recommended safety limits.  A transport campaigner for Greenpeace said:
"The only real solution is to cut the number of cars on our roads."

----------

From my own experience I think the picuture is more complicated than
this; cyclists are exposed to intermittently very high doses of exhaust, 
which tend to dissipate rapidly.  How long can you hold your breath?

One final related point from another article in the same issue: LPG vehicles
produce twice as much carbon monoxide as petrol-powered cars according to 
a study by the EPA of Victoria.

Guy.
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Newsgroups: aus.bicycle
From: alanf@cs.monash.edu.au (Alan Grant Finlay)
Subject: Re: What to look for in a new bike, Bikeshops in Canberra
Keywords: buying
Organization: Computer Science, Monash University, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:58:18 GMT

mbk@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Martin B R Kuchlmayr) writes:

>Martin Kuchlmayr, A.D.F.A. Canberra    (mbk@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au)

>    My old bike trully gave up the ghost a while ago and I need to get a
>new one.  Unfortunately, I know very little about what to look for in a new
>bike. So I thought I would see what advice I could get. I will do the
>standard thing and ask for people to email me and then post a summary to
>aus.bicycle.

If everybody does this every time they don't know something then I will give
up on this network.  The information you request is in almost every book
about bicycles, try your nearest bike shop or public library.  You should only
appeal to the net only when you have tried the obvious places first.

,-------Alan Finlay, email: alanf@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au, phone: (03)565-5225.
|	Victorian Centre for Image Processing and Graphics,
|	Monash University, CLAYTON 3168, Australia.
From: long@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.bicycle
Subject: Re: Biking in Sydney.
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:36:04 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

davew@g2syd.genasys.com.au (Dave White) writes:

>|> > |>
>>|> >|> Eveleigh Street certainly would be an educational ride but I would not 
>>|> >|> recommend it to inexperienced riders. To handle this route you should be
>>|> >|> able to travel at speeds in excess of 60km/hr and I would also recommend
>>|> > |>
>>|> > You bastards, both of you!! Now tell him what is behind you're remarks.
>>|> 
>>|> Let me guess. Lots of poor Aboriginies living there?
>>|> 
>>Lots of VERY POOR and often VERY ANGRY with  the rest of Australia,aborigines!

          > etc, etc, etc ....

>I can't believe the drivel that has been generated since my original comments 
>re: cycling in Redfern.

Rather than drivel, I'd say that your comments generated the response they 
warranted, considering you replied to a request for cycle routes with an 
insidious remark on one particular street in Sydney inhabited by aborigines.
Totally uncalled for.

>Has it ever occurred to any of you out there that if a person wanted to know 
>about cycling in King's Cross, South Sydney, Blacktown etc (by the way, has 
>anyone actually given that guy a list of cycle routes accessable from Chatswood or 
>Redfern?), my response would have been along the same lines? I may be racially 
>prejudiced, but I'm much more concerned about the emerging anarchy in some 
>areas of Sydney, of which Eveliegh St, Redfern is a prime example.

If that's how you express your concern, it worries me more than the emerging
anarchy 8-) 

>As always, if someone in Australia even indirectly and/or inadvertently makes 
>a derogatory remark towards the Aborigines, the "do-gooders" are up in arms to 
>protest. I have always wondered whether these same people channel any of this 
>energy into actually helping the Aboriginal cause?

Please, keep on wondering but stop the indirect and/or inadvertent derogatory
remarks towards Aborigines.

>Merry Christmas 

>-- 
>David White, davew@g2syd.genasys.com.au
>Genasys II Pty. Ltd., North Sydney, Australia.

Geoff Long
Newsgroups: aus.bicycle
From: mpulver@research.canon.oz.au (Mark Pulver)
Subject: Re: What to look for in a new bike, Bikeshops in Canberra
Keywords: buying
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:43:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.073201.312@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au> mbk@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Martin B R Kuchlmayr) writes:
>    1) How should I go about buying a bike? Should I just go to some good
>shop or should I buy a particular brand? Or do I need a knowledge of
>good components (I don't have any such knowledge)? Is it easy to see if a
>bike is well made and uses good components by inspection? Are more expensive
>bikes better?

From Cycling World Buyer;s Guide 1992, don't take advise from expereinced
cyclist, there too much mis-infomation about.

>    3) Should I buy a mountain bike, hybrid or normal? Talk in this
>newsgroup has been that mountain bikes can be as fast as normal bikes and
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>that normal bikes can be made quite rugged. Is there much difference
>between them. Are mountain bikes longer lasting and more reliable as I
>would like?

Who says this.   When I used my mountain bike for commuting (if my
road bike is out of action), even with slicks, clog changes for
higher and closer gears ratio, I'm still slower (average 2-3 miniute out
of 35).
-- 
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                                             /      \   pedal on, pedal on,
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1 Thomas Holt Drive, North Ryde, N.S.W., 2113.     v	The Acoustic Motorbike
Newsgroups: aus.bicycle
From: roberts@g2syd.genasys.com.au (Robert Swan)
Subject: Re: MTB BIKE FOR SALE
Keywords: MTB BIKE FOR SALE
Organization: Genasys II, Sydney, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:24:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.225404.26520@pta.pyramid.com.au> tonyj@pta.pyramid.com.au (TonyJ) writes:
>	FOR SALE:_
>			
>		 MIYATA 19" MTB 18 SPEED
>  	
>	FRAME:   CHROME MOLYBDENUM TUBES
>		 SPLINE TRIPLE BUTTERED
			^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Better watch that cholesterol level...

Have fun,

Robert.
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but now I'm not so sure.   | Genasys II Pty. Ltd., North Sydney.
Newsgroups: aus.bicycle
From: amt@matilda.vut.edu.au (Audrey M. Tam)
Subject: New Australian Bicycling Book
Organization: Victoria University of Technology
Distribution: aus
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 11:12:37 GMT

The Australian Bicycle Book: Maintenance & Riding Skills
by John Harland, Penguin, 2nd December 1992.

Some cyclists glide by on their bikes, others struggle. This book is
about the skills of riding and maintenance that help make the
difference. Its easy-to-follow text and detailed illustrations take you
carefully through such important aspects as:

* the various kinds of bicycle, and how to choose the right one for you
* understanding how the parts of your bicycle work, including wheels,
  brakes and gears
* how to ride safely - in traffic, in rain, at night, in the country and
  with a load
* how to maintain your bicycle - mechanical checks, overhaul, cleaning,
  and mending punctures
* equipping yourself for touring and expeditions
* cycling for children

This book is a practical guide to bicycling as alternative transport. It
is based on courses taught over the past seven years through Bicycle
Victoria, the Council of Adult Education and other groups.
Newsgroups: aus.bicycle
From: mbk@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Martin B R Kuchlmayr)
Subject: What to look for in a new bike, Bikeshops in Canberra
Keywords: buying
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:32:01 GMT

Martin Kuchlmayr, A.D.F.A. Canberra    (mbk@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au)

    My old bike trully gave up the ghost a while ago and I need to get a
new one.  Unfortunately, I know very little about what to look for in a new
bike. So I thought I would see what advice I could get. I will do the
standard thing and ask for people to email me and then post a summary to
aus.bicycle.

    I need the bike for regular commuting but would want it to be up to
occasional touring and some riding over rough tracks without much risk of
damage. I don't think I would use the bike nearly as much as the serious
cyclists on the net. I would like the bike to be fast and easy to pedal (I
assume this means light). I certainly want it to last a long time and not
require any fancy maintainance. I want to do my own work on it with few
specialist tools or knowledge.

    My questions are:

    1) How should I go about buying a bike? Should I just go to some good
shop or should I buy a particular brand? Or do I need a knowledge of
good components (I don't have any such knowledge)? Is it easy to see if a
bike is well made and uses good components by inspection? Are more expensive
bikes better?
    2) Is it possible to get a long lasting bike or should I expect to
regularly replace parts and do lots of tinkering? I really don't want to
fork out for a whole new drive train every 3 years as some people suggest.
(However I would tolerate replacing some major part every three years).
Would such a bike be slow and heavy?
    Do 21-speed drive trains wear out faster than 15 or even 10 speed ones?
Do they make a big difference in riding?
    3) Should I buy a mountain bike, hybrid or normal? Talk in this
newsgroup has been that mountain bikes can be as fast as normal bikes and
that normal bikes can be made quite rugged. Is there much difference
between them. Are mountain bikes longer lasting and more reliable as I
would like?
    4) Do new bikes require a lot of specialist tools for working on them?
Do some brands require them? I really do not want to need anything more
fancy than chain-whips for rear cassette clusters or cotterless-crank
pullers. Do some bikes require maintainance (regular maintainance) beyond
regreasing bearings and cleaning?
    Finally 5) Does anyone know any good bike shops in Canberra? I have
been happy with the service at one particular shop but they only stock the
cheapest of many accessories and don't think they are suitable for a new
bike. Also many people in Canberra would say Spokesman's but I have had a
run in with them and don't want to go there - any other places?

    Replies to any of these questions would be appreciated. Thanks, Martin.

Newsgroups: aus.bicycle
From: allanc@cs.su.oz.au (Restless Wanderer)
Subject: Re: Coppers on Bikes at Night with only a Vista light
Reply-To: allanc@cluster.cs.su.oz (Restless Wanderer)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:45:02 GMT

In article <daavid.724510783@wombaj.kowari.cpsg.com.au> daavid@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Daavid Turnbull) writes:
	deleted for brevity.
>
>There has been a quantity of discussion of late in the rec.bicycles
>heriachy about the use of MTB's by police in the US, the sort of
>bikes they use an the like.  I was pleased to see the use of bicycles
>by police in oz but am a touch curious about this apparent breech of
>law.  Does anyone know anything more?


I do know( from personal experience ) that in Parramatta Police district,
there are at least 4 plain clothes cops on MTB's.
They were interviewed by the local rag,but certainly don't mind playing
hard ball.

I can't help but laugh at the sight if a cop on a pushie chasing a bag
snatcher..   ;-)

Newsgroups: aus.bicycle
From: daavid@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Daavid Turnbull)
Subject: Coppers on Bikes at Night with only a Vista light
Organization: Computer Power Software Group Pty Ltd
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:59:43 GMT


My son and I went to see the Ausies play the Windies at the
MCG last night (see rec.cricket for details) and on the way home
spotted a couple of policemen on what looked like mountain bikes,
cruising the perimeter outside the MCG.

The thing that most took my attention was the fact that they only had
vista lights at the rear.  It was my understanding, in part from 
discussions in this news group and from what I was taught about bikes
as a kid that a constanted red light had to be visible from the rear of 
the bike, (and that the last 6 inches of the mud guard had to be white
etc. etc.).

There has been a quantity of discussion of late in the rec.bicycles
heriachy about the use of MTB's by police in the US, the sort of
bikes they use an the like.  I was pleased to see the use of bicycles
by police in oz but am a touch curious about this apparent breech of
law.  Does anyone know anything more?

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Newsgroups: aus.archives,aus.followup
From: mwp@iconix.oz.au (Michael Paddon)
Subject: Shake -- A Makefile Generator
Organization: Iconix Pty Ltd (World Headquarters)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:54:51 GMT

Those of you who were at Melbourne's last summer AUUG conference may
remember the paper I gave on a makefile generator tool I had built.
Well, after 10 months of ocassional hacking (and, eventually, a complete
rewrite) this tool, Shake, is available for beta testing.

Shake is a macro processor that builds makefiles. Unlike imake,
the macros are defined as arbitrary shell scripts, allowing much
smarter and more flexible directives.

With shake, you get modules that support complex hierarchies,
smart installation, C, C++, yacc, lex, TeX, LaTeX, SliTeX
and UIL. You can easily add your own modules, as needed.

It has been our experience at Iconix, that any programmer who uses shake
is almost immediately hooked by its simplicity and ease of use. So
why not try it yourself?

The code is available for anonymous ftp from munnari.oz.au.
Cd to the directory usr/shake; the file "shake.tar.Z" contains the
entire distribution (you'll need an ANSI C compiler. I highly recommend
gcc if you don't already have one).

For those who look before they leap, the manual is available separately
as "manual.ps.Z".

                                     Michael
Newsgroups: aus.archives
From: tyoungdj@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: New User Request
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:03:51 GMT

Could I possibly ask someone to email or post
an easy How to use an Archive?
for a new user of ftp's and archive sites?

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From: phwildman@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.education
Subject: Re: Telecentres - call for expr of inte
Date: 11 Dec 92 01:02:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:atkinson-191092174434@esumac15.c:-111167862:peg:506100054:000:1480
Nf-From: peg.UUCP!phwildman    Dec 10 20:02:00 1992


Written 5.00pm, Dec 10, 1992, by P Wildman, PO Box 74, Nundah,
Brisbane. Qld.  4012, Australia.
Phone (07) 858 5102 (W), (07) 266 7570 (H), Fax (07) 367 2891,
Email. within Pegasus  phwildman  .in full  phwildman@peg.apc.org
Key words:  ced, community, economic development, green
economics.
-------------------------------------------------------------- 


Paul, I'm interested in your three level telecentre proposal. 
Presently I'm working on an Appropriate Technology proposal for
a disused male prison 1+ hours North East of Brisbane (Woodford). 
The components of the proposal are much more than industry
attraction.  It includes:

1.  Building local businesses
2.  Retaining jobs
3.  Forming new enterprises
4.  Providing local finance
5.  Minimising escape spending
6.  Promoting local production
7.  Increasing intercommunity trading
8.  Imposing labour market matching
9.  Attracting industry
10. Attracting Government
11. Growing community skills
12. Mobilising community support
13. Celebrating the season
14. Sustainability
15. Growing the informal economy
16. Personal and community creativity
17. All the above in the context of a local enterprise culture
18. Any other ideas?

DPIE's telecentre concept seems to be technology looking for a
problem to fix.  I think that in tieing it to a project, e.g.
Woodford prison, or process, e.g. Networked Community Economic
Development, the technology can have legs?  Your thoughts please.

Where to next?




pw13.telecent
Newsgroups: aus.sf
From: fraser@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fraser Wilson)
Subject: Re: ST: TNG - Chariots of the Picard :)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 05:30:40 GMT

kat@bacchus.esa.oz.au (Kathryn Andersen) writes:
>Also interesting to note that the two main motivations for the
>superstition were (selfish) desire and fear - the very two things that
>stop us listening to God anyway. // Atheists will probably ignore this comment.

You know, they probably will, because if I didn't ignore the comment
I would probably be under the impression that you think I fail to
listen to your conception of a god because of selfish desire and fear.
In fact, it's just a humble considered opinion.

My two credits worth.

>As for the validity of having a Prime Directive at all, I don't know.
>Cartainly no point if you are not going to enforce it.

This is a good point.  I think that there is a certain justification
for the Prime Directive, we've seen what happens on Earth when cultures
merge/clash: the legacy of colonialism will be with us for a long, long
time.  It would certainly be a lot more interesting if the crew of the
Enterprise were forced to kill people from time to time for it.

Fraser.
From: Nick.Allan@f395.n634.z3.fidonet.org (Nick Allan)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: The Tomorrow people
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 09:56:00

Hello everyone
I've got a question for those people that used to watch "The Tomorrow
 people"
Can anyone tell me what ever happened to Stev.  I missed a few
 episodes and when I came back Stev was gone and they never said
 anything about him again.
 
Any Information would be grate.
 
Regards Nick

 * Origin: Starbase Alpha On the Edge of the Universe! (3:634/395)
From: s892024@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Richard A. Muirden [GA])
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Re: TNG - "The Bonding"
Date: 11 Dec 1992 02:42:19 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

rhys@cs.uq.oz.au (Rhys Weatherley) writes:

>In <9234609.16350@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> tsl@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Tim Leask) writes:

>If Troi psychoanalysed me, I'd flush her out the nearest airlock.  I hope they
>find something else for her to do.  Troi detecting other minds I can take,
>but Troi playing the shrink I can't.  Maybe it's just her voice.  Every time
>she opens her mouth to speak, I cringe.

Wouldn't you (honestly) want to... er.. do things with her before you
flushed her out the airlock? ;-) Actually if you read Imzadi by Peter
David she hops around beds a bit :) Maybe she's part time ship's er..
services ? ;-) *groans at himself*

>>I for one was much more intresting in see the archaeological site than

>Yeah.  The special effects budget must have been low for that episode.  No
>interesting new terrain, etc.

oh I thought the blood and dirt on Worf's uniform at the start was rather
good ;-)


>>an evil looking kid that escaped from Robocop 2.

>Ah!  That's where I've seen him before.  He definitely was better in Robocop 2.

yeah, and we all agree about Robocop 2 don't we? ;-)

>Cheers,

>Rhys.
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>rhys@cs.uq.oz.au  "I'm a FAQ nut - what's your problem?"

-richard

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From: s890412@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Chris Diffey)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Re: ST: TNG videos
Date: 16 Dec 1992 12:58:53 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

pcm@scammell.ecos.tne.oz.au (Peter Murray) writes:
>: I'm looking for any video shop that has second series or later episodes of
>: TNG, my two local shops only have first series episodes. I'm trying to catch up

>It may be only a rumour but apparantly you can get the fifth series from 
>Minitour in Burke Street.    

I believe minotaur would only have them for sale not for hire if they do.
(I don't want to buy them, (I wish I could afford to :( just rent them)

ta
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From: sjames@adam.adelaide.edu.au (S James)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Re: Naive questions about ST:TNG series numbers
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:27:51 GMT
Organization: The University of Adelaide
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: adam.adelaide.edu.au
Keywords: Star Trek episodes

abcc@DIALix.oz.au (Adrian Booth Computing Consultants) writes:

>OK, they're talking about the fifth series in rec.arts.startrek.*, but I
>recently saw a message saying that "The Icarus Factor" (which was on two weeks
>ago over here) is from the SECOND series.

>Are we watching three-year old episodes? Can I get anything more recent on
>video over here?

Yes you are right we are watching second or third series episodes depending
on which part of Australia you are in.
They are up to series six in the states at the moment.

There are some videos around mainly from series one, although there are a
couple of exceptions; Best of Both Worlds I & II from series three and
Unification I & II from series four (I think). 
Steve James
sjames@adam.adelaide.edu.au

Newsgroups: aus.sf