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From: won@cs.columbia.edu (Won Y. Kim)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Movie: Sneakers...cyberpunk?
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:36:10 GMT
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science

In article <92269.095508L13BC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <L13BC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>There's a new file out.  It's on some of boards in NY. It's called SNEAKERS.ARJ
>. It was created, I believe by the producers of SNEAKERS. The file when uncompr
>essed is 2Megs big & is a very detailed history on Hackers, Phreakers, and the
>government equivilents of them. As well as organizations devoted to national se
>curity. It is wonderfully informative & very up to date, with a bio on all the
>STARS of SNEAKERS.

Can you perhaps U/L this to an ftpsite soemwhere?

Thanks.
					-Won,
-- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Won Kim. Programmer ReProgrammer..
"I am the SuperGrunt. The *ORIGINAL* SuperGrunt. Perhaps you have heard of me?"
						- The Orginal SuperGrunt
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: queensryche lyric stuck in my head.
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:44:28 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER) writes:

>morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus) writes:
>>"And we wonder how machines can steal each other's dreams"

>I often through meaningless, but cool sounding, gibberish into my songs.
>Cant see why Queensryche wouldnt/

Actually, that line isn't at all out of place in the song - which [apparently]
deals with electronic surveillance or espionage.  The entire verse is:
	There's a thought that fills your mind
	A vision of a time
	When knowledge was confined
	And we wonder how machines
	Can steal each other's dreams
	From points that are unseen... it's real.

And that _song_ isn't at all out of the place in the album, which has a strong
subtheme of cyberpunk/technojunkie/machine intelligence.

[Gratuitous plug:  Free Queensryche digest: queensryche-request@pilot.njin.net]

				-Shag
-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: 003316g@ace.acadiau.ca (STEPHEN EDWARD ELLIOTT GREGORY)
Subject: Industriel Music
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:42:40 GMT

	Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this but....

	The other night on a really late radio show they played nonstop 
Industriel Music. I liked a lot of what I heard but did not catch the names 
of many of the groups. I was wondering if anyone could E-Mail or post a list 
of some of the better Industriel groups.

Thanks in advanced.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: CS341A002@Husky1.StMarys.Ca (Loki)
Subject: Re: What is Bladerunner?
Organization: The Underground
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:57:53 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.13.SMU

scarrobi@shearson.com writes:
>
> actually it does belong here ...
>  BLADERUNNER: took place in the future where CYBERware existed ... the
> REPLICANTS are a type of CYBERPUNK ... or actually the reverse ... a robot
> teched down to human reseblance ... usually a CYBERPUNK is teched up beyond
> human appearance... like say the BORG on Next generation Star Trek...

The replicants weren't robots. They were genetic engineering endproducts,
using modified human DNA.

I doubt it would be possible to make an argument in favor of the Borg being
cyberpunk, tho. Cyber, yes, punk, no. Punks are individualists, the Borg
sorta fail on that count. ;)

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Random Quote of the Day:
People say great power means great responsibility. This is nonsense.
"Responsibility" means having to take the blame for your own mistakes.
"Power" means you can make other people take the blame for your mistakes.

                 --- Cerebus the Aardvark
From: marlin.johnson@the-matrix.com (Marlin Johnson) 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: RE: WILLIAM GIBSON'S _AGR
Date: 2 Oct 92 10:38:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: marlin.johnson@the-matrix.com (Marlin Johnson) 

-> What we're all
-> waiting patiently for is some kind net.soul to break the encryption
-> and UL a copy of the text in ASCII to the BBS's.

Why try to break the encryption?  If you were so inclined (and had a
source diskette to start with) it would be easy enough make a
transmittable file.

Plan A:  If there's no special sectoring type copy protection, then just
zip the whole disk into one file with the volume label, if any.  Unzip
onto a fresh floppy and there ya go.  If the diskette is built so that
Plan A won't work then...

Plan B:  Use a utility like TeleDisk which will make a file that is a
bit for bit copy of the original.  Receiver of this file can then use
same utility to lay it down on another floppy.

Not as elegant as extracting just the text, perhaps; and certainly not
as useful for the unix folks and their kind, but it would probably work.

If there was any way I was going to purchase this thing, I'd, at the
very least, try a diskcopy.


Marlin

...my other sig file is a gif.
                 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: jan_b@lysator.liu.se (Jan Besehanic)
Subject: Re: William Gibson's Email
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 12:59:19 GMT

braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER) writes:

>ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (zoiks!) writes:


>>|In article <pvanheus.716632745@frodo>, pvanheus@frodo.cs.uct.ac.za (P
>>|A van Heusden) writes: 
>>|> Does anyone in this group, (or William Gibson himself, since he reads the 
>>|> group) give me William Gibson's email address? 
>>|> 
>>|> Peter
>>|> 
>>|
>>|	Does Gibson really read this conference? If so, why doesn't he post?
>>|I'd be really curious to 'see' his reaction to some of the opinions expressed
>>|about accuracy or inaccuracy in his work (which I think is a moot argument in
>>|SPECULATIVE fiction anyway). If you get any response, please pass it along...
>>|		
>>|
>>|  	Jeff


>He probably hasnt sussed out his news system yet.

>hook

>Or he hates us all.  
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Amen to that.

 
--
Jan Besehanic
email: jan_b@lysator.liu.se
New, improved .sig-file under construction.
From: merlin@freeside.com (Merlin the Idiot Magi)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Gibson, et all..
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 11:57:25 CDT
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

guru@west.darkside.com (Guru) writes:

> Blah...
> 
> 
> Virtual Mondo #2.  In the last issue (cant remember what the cover was, 
> 'cuz I didn't buy it..) there was this ad for Odo-Sendi Corperation.  No 
> description just a phone number.  Gave it a call.  Sales rep said 
> "affordable desktop VR... I send you info."  haven't gotten it yet.  When 
> I do I'll let ya know...
> 
> Over and out.

    Ono-Sendai is on the net every now and then, I was talking to one of 
their folks for awhile before my address got shot halfway around town, 
twice.  He posts to Alt.Cyberpunk and Alt.Cyberpunk.tech every now and 
then.
 /// & ///

--
merlin@freeside.com (Merlin the Idiot Magi)
Rivendell BBS -*- Houston, TX -*- +1(713)941-2236
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: chanson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Hanson)
Subject: Re: Endoverse
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 04:53:19 GMT

Scott Abfalter <thx1138@angus.mi.org> writes:

>Well, I picked up the book "Endoverse" by James
>(?) Hogan.  
>I couln't even finish it.  I was suckered in by the Virtual Reality
>buzzword and a misleading back cover description.  What the book
>_really_ is is yet another Man-Meets-Highly-Advanced-Race-And-Gee-
>Aren't-They-Neat book.  

  Oh, dear. I just bought this book. Looks like a GREAT cover. It's on my
windowsill while I finish Steger's "Crossing Antarctica", a book that has
nothing to do with CP or VR. But.. That bad, huh?

  So, since I've already read and loved _Snow Crash_, what's some other
recent CP/VR stuff to look for? (No Wm Gibson, please. ;)

>THX
>Scott Abfalter (thx1138@angus.mi.org)

   Chris - Xenon

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From: braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER)
Subject: Re: REQUIRED READING: B. Sterling
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 02:47:45 GMT

frost@netcom.com (John Frost) writes:
>	I found myself agreeing with almost  all of the positions
>Sterling took in this essay, and would be interested  with other readers
>opinions.  Sterling stated that he expects to be considered an 
>authority on cyberpunk and hacking  for  years to come (although he 
>claimed no such authority himself).  He also mentions the need for
>a drastic change, a movement, in society.  I wonder if Sterling, Maddox,
>Gibson et al. are ready to  be the leaders, the instigators, of
>this change"

I dont think that authors' have what it takes to be the leaders of society,
no offence people, but they are vitally important as catalysts for those 
leaders.  They are ready to propose the alternatives, and the sales or
popularity of these books show others whether or not society is ready to
act.

hoook

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (we're tiny we're toony)
Subject: Re: Dennis Ashbaugh -- Agrippa Artist?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 00:55:54 GMT

Yes, Ashbaugh did do the art for Agrippa.....In fact, from what I've seen
from his other works (just in magazines when people talk about
Agrippa) it looks pretty neat....

If you have no morals and no respect for copyrights you might want to
take a picture and make it into a GIF!  :)

For more info on Ashbaugh, you might try contacting Kevin Begos Jr.,
who's publishing Agrippa....

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From: jessec@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Sneakers: Moral Confusion
Date: 3 Oct 92 22:51:28 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <2301.403.uupcb@the-matrix.com>, scott.schram@the-matrix.com (Scott Schram) writes:
> AC> In other words, if you (the the NSA or Ben Kingsley) have the device,
> AC> it's in the wrong hands.  But if I have it, I get to adjust the world to
> AC> my liking.
> AC>   Is that what the scene at the end implies?
> 
> That sure is what it implies.
> 
> Liberal thinkers would have us believe that "end justifies the means" is
> an exclusive technique with conservatives.
> 
> Apparently, liberals at least fantasize about unlimited power.

   Oh, please lighten the fuck up!  :-)
   The ending merely pokes fun at the fact that all those little numbers 
are highly imaginary, and indulges in a ten-second-long lighthearted 
daydream about what would happen if a few of us who really do want "peace 
on earth, goodwill towards men" could play around with them a bit.  Geez, 
they say that liberals are the ones without senses of humor...


   --Jesse.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: jgoodric@dante.nmsu.edu (GOODRICH)
Subject: Re: Deadly InterFace
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:18:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.201835.13205@shearson.com> scarrobi@shearson.com writes:
>
>picked up a book awhile ago.. really decent .. and it really stole ideas left right and sideways ...
>it was called ... Deadly Interface ...
>it was a combo.. Bladerunner meets neuromancer...
>i enjoyed it .. if anyone else has read it let me know what u thought of it .. if not 
>i suggest u read it .. not bad..
>
>
>  Steve C.


	Actually, it was called Lethal Interface my Michale
						    Michael Odom.  Fairly interesting,
a reasonably good idea for a C-Punk story.  Not Great.  

	The Laughing Priest!

"Laugh-a while you can, monkey-boy!"  -Lord John Whorfin
From: ratner@owlnet.rice.edu (Logan Joshua Ratner)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: REQUIRED READING: B. Sterling)
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:19:33 GMT
Organization: Rice University


>|	As a student of cyberpunk, computers and myriad other things,
>|I was more then thrilled to find a Bruce Sterling essay concerning 
>|his reflections on his latest book. This is Sterling's first non-fiction
>|book and its subject is HACKING.  (did I get that right?)   However,
>|this essay is more than a simple reflection on writing, it is a statement
>|of Sterling's ethics.  
>|
>|	I would place this essay, and probably the book (spoken unseen), 
>|high onmy list of must-reads for folx interested in cyberpunk.  You can
>|read it on comp.eff.org.news  or ftp it from ftp.eff.org .  

I can't seem to get to this (article unavailable, ftp won't let me in
anon., don't have an account, etc.) could some one please E-mail me the
essay.

Tanks for the support.
ratner
From: weld@works.uucp (Weld Pond)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Sneakers: Moral Confusion
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 20:47:36 EDT
Organization: The Works BBS - Informational Archives - Est. 1985

martink@NeoSoft.com (Martin Koistinen) writes:
> Concerning _Sneakers_, here is the question *I* have...
>  
> If thNSA at the end of the movie was *SO* anxious to have the black-box
> that they felt it necessary to bring a small army with weapons, then you
> would think that they would have been prepared to use them. But instead,
> Our guys black-mail them for goodies. If *you* were about to kill someone,
> would you change your mind a give them anything they wanted just because
> they knew something?
>  
> I just don't get it.
> -- 

The NSA didn't know if they had the black box or where it was.  I don't 
think they would use torture to get it.  They probably would have to 
explain dead bodies too.  What is $100,00 or so to a powerfull govt 
agency with huge secret budgets?  

I talked with one of the writers about whether the viewer was supposed to 
believe that Microsoft Excel was running on the Cray in Cosmo's office 
and he said yes.  Many things in the movie were done as jokes.


Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: good cyberpunk anime on videotape?
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:21:45 GMT

In article 151204ANFBC@CUNYVM.BITNET, Anthony T. Fields <ANFBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> () writes:
> I was in suncoast video the other day and they have an execellent selection of
> japanese anime the names at this time escape me, but they advertised
> themselves as "cyberpunk classics", some as which seemed pretty interesting,
> but can anyone recommed really good japanese anime on video tape that's worth
> the price of the tape?  thanx to all that can help......
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________________________________________
> this is my sig...see my sig...touch my sig...love my sig...love it...love it...
> 
>                       anthony fields===>anfbc@cunyvm.bitnet
>                                         anfbc@cunyvm.internet
> _______________________________________________________________________________


yes i can most of the MACROSS,YAMATO,Vampire Hunter D,Mobile suit GUNDAM...
a good place to go are SF/creation conventions....
get the ones in the shrink wrap... anyone who shrink wraps makes a good laserdisc copy... thats what u want .. laserdisc to VCR copy....
if u want more names let me know.... 

   Steve C.
From: thx1138@angus.mi.org (Scott Abfalter)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: The Silicon Man
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:55:55 GMT
Reply-To: thx1138@angus.mi.org
Organization: North Star BBS

I just got reading "The Silicon Man" (one of the Ace SciFi Specials) 
and it was pretty good. 

Not exectly cyberpunk at all, but a pretty good virtual reality type
story in any event.  I'd certainly recommend it. 
 
THX

--
Scott Abfalter (thx1138@angus.mi.org)
North Star BBS, Royal Oak, MI --------------------------------------------+-
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Book question!!
Date: 3 Oct 92 15:09:00 GMT
Reply-To: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis)
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016

TL>     Has anybody read the book "Lethal Interface" by Mel Odom?

Reading it now.  Great!  Got a real plot and everything...
Can't tell you what it is, but definitely read it (so far)...

Mykel


 -- SPEED 1.20 [NR]: Chicken Little only has to be right once.
                                                                                                                            
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: carlsoje@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Joel E. Carlson 1625773)
Subject: Re: REQUIRED READING: B. Sterling
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:36:29 GMT

In article <BvI0vG.FHo@ucunix.san.uc.edu> dillongm@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Johnny Monocrome) writes:
>>					Revolutions are fought so that
>>						children can fly.
>>							--Holly Near
>
>
>Waiting for someone to be the leader and tell us how to change socity is
>not the way to do it.  If this is really a CyberPUNK movment take
>a note from the PUNK movement, and Do It Yourself.   There were no real
>leaders for the PUnk movement, mayber just a few outspoken members who
>some people blindly followed but the real punk do what the fuck they
>wanted to do. (and are still doing it).    
>
>Later
>
>Johnny Monocrome

 "Start your own revolution and cut out the middle man!"
				Billy Bragg
				_Waiting for a Great Leap Forward_

That's the whole point of the cyberpunk revolution is the fact its not a
revolution in any traditional sense.  You don't need fucking leaders,
leadership is outmoded tech.  What is needed here is a global village
where everybody enjoyes the personification of tech.  Tech used to
Entertain, Enlighten, and Educate.  The revolutionary mind set of the
cyberpunk movement is that all information should be free, and the
individual supreme.  No god, no country, no king, just a bunch of freaks
linked up in love!

----
From: michaelb@cse.fau.edu (Michael Rogero Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: The Borg and Cyber-poseurs (What is Bladerunner?)
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:28:36 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA

In article <AeoUdmi00YUoRLDm9u@andrew.cmu.edu> Patrick C Leger <pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Acutal
>(oops...Forgive my lack of an editor!) Actually, I was talking more about
>the RPG.  I'm not so worried about any lack of explanations, 'cause I agree
>with you when you say that they are given.  What bugs me is that they give
>absolutely no credit to the authors of cp who came up with all the ideas
>that Shadowrun so blatantly rips off.  Yes, the system is thought out
>decently, but they lead the player to believe that all this stuff was
>created by the authors of Shadowrun...They use the "lingo" developed by
>Gibson et al and don't even mention that they didn't come up with it. 
>Examples:
>
I agree that for a RPG they should give credit to the originators.  
Once I was taking with some high school kids about the VR in Lawnmower Man.
One kid saw "oh, like in Shadowrun".  I told him you shouldn't give credit
to Shadowrun for VR, cause VR was being done long before the game.  I would
hate  to think a lot of high school kids like VR (or similiar CP-like stuff)
originated from the RPG and not research people.


-- 
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<< Michael R. Brown    CS Graduate Student-Florida Atlantic Univ >>
<< Internet: michaelb@sol.cse.fau.edu                            >>
<< BitNet: m_brown@fauvax                                        >>
From: mykel.alvis@the_matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: The continuing Gibson
Date: 25 Sep 92 23:17:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: mykel.alvis@the_matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 

 
PS> The Vic20 made one of the best damn terminals money could buy back then.
  > To bad about the character resolution though.

It really wasn't bad at all...

PS> Try breaking into real gov't agencies or something then.  Or gov't contract
  > who's computer rooms have been certified B2.  These pansy banks are nothing
  > compared to that.
                                             ^^
Pretty tough concept to maintain if it's what I think it is.

Far be it from me to label anyones security measures as _nothing_.  Even a
half-posteriored job is better than none if you recognize its weakness.

I work for a real government agency.  Part of my job *is* security.
I'm not really sure which ones *YOU* are talking about, but a little inside
info goes a long way sometimes.  I have discovered a number of (now plugged)
holes in our system.  I'm under no illusions that there aren't others.
Do you want to be the one to tell me that somebody thought of 
everything?  Or that there are employers who have never had a disgruntled
employee leave the company?

Don't stray too far from my point.  I never said any of this stuff was EASY.
I just said I think it's possible to circumvent almost all, if not all,
existing security plans.

I don't espouse this behavior.  I don't perform this behavior.  I just think
you should be prepared, that's all.  And the concept of know thy enemy 
certainly carries over into the computer security realm

> really secure system that cannot recognize the users intent.
PS> That's why you implement polocies that limit the users intent, also.
Definitely.  And hopefully they stick...

Not trying to be rude, but this discussion hasn't gotten very far from
its somewhat petty origins (that would be from me...at least for this
section...)

I don't dispute that adequate security measures exists, but I don't ever
want my life/career held sway by these measures.  They work fine for almost
every situation, and when you combine them, you can discourage someone quite
effectively.  But I see little chance in anyone talking me into agreeing that
there exists a method that can provide true security while allowing access to
permitted parties.  I've had this discussion with the dedicated security
analyst at the office at least 3 times in the last 12 months.  It took my
demonstrating a bug in security for him to lose faith.  I really don't think
I'll lose my lack of it.  Showing me a system that's never been hacked
certainly wouldn't shake me.  Show me one I can't hack, and I can probably
show you at least 10 others in the same boat.  I guess this idea is just
etched into my unmarred, smooth, and non-sulcus-bearing grey matter.

(Cynical by birth, Really cynical because I want to be...)



 -- SPEED 1.20 [NR]: Ravings courtesy of me...
From: sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Sam Bhimji)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement
Subject: Re: New Cyberpunk BBS in DC  1 zer0 Cyber Net BBS 301-589-4064
Keywords: BBS Computers Fun Cyber Hack Prog Talk File Mind Neuro
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 11:14:44 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

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