From: jburnes@swbatl.sbc.com (Jim Burnes - 235-7444)
Subject: Re: Dr. Helen Caldicott: "Building a progressive agenda in 1992"
Organization: Southwestern Bell
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 18:32:55 GMT

dxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (David Condon) writes:
> 
> 
> An excerpt from an address, "Building a progressive agenda in 1992," by 
> Dr. Helen Caldicott, author of _Missile envy_ and _If you love this 
> planet_. Caldicott was speaking at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium on 
> 
> 	We're going to talk about the two "New World Orders" -- George 
> Bush's New World Order and _our_ New World Order. [applause] We're going 
> to talk about how we're going to have the second American revolution that 

Wait...she's an Aussie, what does she know about American revolutions.

> the Soviet people have just had the guts to do. We're going to talk about 
> how you people are going to take your country back from the corporate 
> dictatorship which presently runs your country and publishes this journal 
> called _Time_ magazine.

Cool so far.

> 	At the moment, most people, or many people, can't afford 
> catastrophic illnesses. Hands up, those in this audience who can afford a 
> catastrophic illness. Do you know, that just takes my breath away? Do you 
> know that I come from a country that has some sort of compassion towards 
> its citizens? I come from Australia, where our health care is totally 
> free.

Define free, please.

> Now, you can take out private insurance if you want, but I just had 
> my gall bladder removed, a cholicystectomy by the best surgeon in town. I 
> spent ten days in hospital with excellent nursing care and good food; it 
> didn't cost me a single cent. Not a single penny. Why? Because my tax 
> dollars are used and come back to me for my medical care, and that is 
> your absolute right as a citizen in the richest country on earth. 
> [applause]

Wooah!  Absolutely free?  Its a good thing Dr. Caldicott is a physician
and not an accountant.

> 	I am a physician, but I can't always treat myself, and heal 
> myself, so when I go to my doctor, I pay ninety dollars, for instance, 
> for the consultation; I go next door to the medicare office, and the 
> government hands me ninety dollars in cash, over the counter. I pay fifty 
> percent of my income in tax, and I am proud of it, and I would pay more 
> if necessary.

Ahhhhhhh!  John Dinardo, did you actually listen to this tape?  She
think she's getting things free and what she's actually doing is giving
away half of her income.

> My daughter has just been to medical school for five years. 
> I didn't pay a penny for her education, and she got a living allowance as 
> well, from the government.

I can't believe this.  Its all free.  I wish Dr. Caldicott would work
on the Free Energy machines floating around somewhere.  She might get them
working for the whole world.  Then nobody would have to pay anything to
get everything.  Its all free!

> That is called a compassionate society. None 
> of you should have to pay for your children to be educated. It should be 
> free. [applause]

Boy these people worry me almost as much as the hard core Populists.

> 	Thirty-seven million people in the richest country on earth live 
> below the poverty line, which is an income of twelve thousand dollars for 
> a family of four. That's starvation level. So you've go to change your 
> country, because the people who run it don't give a damn about you. They 
> care about getting richer and richer and richer and having more and more 
> power, and they are, in truth, total addicts. Now if you allow them to 
> continue to be addicts, you are either enablers or you are co-dependents. 
> And as such, the whole family of the American society is sick.

Well, I think they are more asleep than sick.  Asleep at the wheel of
the United States and some back seat drivers have taken over. Actually
its more like a cab ride in Manhattan with the cabbie taking you all
over town to run up the fare!

> power in your own hands. You have it by turning this country into a 
> democracy by having totally compulsory voting, as we do in Australia 
> [applause].

Oh, no..thats not democracy...thats facism.

> will have a voice. You'll all have a voice. The reason people don't vote 
> is because just about only millionaires run for Congress, and they're 
> mostly white, older males, grey men in grey suits with grey brains. 
> [applause]

Meaningless rhetoric and ad-hominems (if not true).

> 	So, how are you going to get rid of the CIA? _How_ are you going 
> to get rid of the CIA -- it's not my problem, it's yours. Except it is my 
> problem, because the CIA got rid of my Prime Minister, in Australia, in 
> 1975. The CIA has no right to be in my country. It has no right to be in 
> any other country in the world except yours, and then you don't even want 
> it. [applause] The CIA has the largest spy base in the world, in the 
> middle of Australia, called Pine Gap, put there under fraudulent 
> conditions. One of the reasons they evicted my Prime Minister, the best 
> one we've ever had, called Gough Whitlam, was because the next day in 
> Parliament, he was going to name the CIA operatives at Pine Gap, in 
> Parliament. So they orchestrated the Governor General, who represents the 
> Queen, to get rid of him. And he did. He was "our man," that's what the 
> CIA said. The Governor General of my country worked for the CIA, as does 
> my present Prime Minister. He's been working for the CIA since 1969; he's 
> been groomed by them. How dare the CIA come into my country and groom 
> people to become our Prime Minister? They do it in every country of the 
> world, just about. It's time that you got rid of them, not just for your 
> good, but for ours. [applause]

Well finally she gets to some interesting material.

[important stuff about CFCs deleted]

> earth's dying. And it's being killed for profit. Therefore, capitalism is 
> obsolete. [applause]

Well so is socialism, so I guess were all doomed.  The problem isnt so
much trying to make a profit, its the amount of control these companies
have over Washington.  These companies are all within their EPA guidlines.
Why can't we sue them?  Because the EPA says they are within their guidelines.
If people were able to start a class action suit, then we'd get somewhere.

> 	So, clearly, communism was obsolete, it was a stupid system, and 
> they fouled their countries pretty badly. But it did give everyone free 
> medical care and free education, they were all well fed, and no one was 
> unemployed.

Well free if you don't count the fact that they payed for it with their
personal liberty.  I'd rank that up there as perhaps the most expensive 
thing I will ever own.

 So they want capitalism now; they want plastic, blue jeans, 
> transistor radios, and they think that's what's going to make them happy, 
> because that's what Hollywood sends out to the rest of the world. It 
> doesn't make people happy. It makes people really lonely, because they've 
> still lost contact with the earth. The people who really know how to be 
> happy are the American Indians, when they lived in contact with the 
> planet, with the earth, with nature, and we're losing that. [applause]

Hapiness isnt something you buy.  Free market never promised hapiness,
it just promises freedom.  Beyond that you must find you own hapiness.
Don't look for your government to give it to you.  If you do, you are
more lost than I thought you were.

The American Indians relied on extended families.  This is where your
hapiness lies (along with personal achievments.)  The government is
not an extended family, never has been and never will be.

If government were to decentralize and stop running peoples lives,
community esprit-de-corps would improve.

> 	Now I want to get on to -- so, you've got to stop these Dow 
> Chemicals; I mean, these corporations are called not now multi-nationals, 
> they are "trans-nationals." They have transcended all boundaries and have 
> taken over the planet. I'll tell you about that in a little while, but 
> they are obsolete, they are anachronistic, and they need to be 
> dismembered. They are like amoebae. Nameless, faceless organisms, just 
> taking over the planet, answerable to nobody, bigger than most 
> governments in the world, they are, Dow Chemical and Monsanto, and Ford 
> and Chrysler and General Motors and Standard Oil and Exxon and you name 
> them. And we have no say, except we do, because they come from your 
> country, they emanate from you, many people work for the corporations, 
> and they only work for them because they get their health benefits.

Wrong.  They work for them because they provide jobs.  They are not the
only ones.  Perhaps the real way to run health care (if it must be 
reformed) is to have health-unions that resemble credit-unions.  Lots
of people buying health insurance through a union that has bargaining
power.  You don't have to join if you don't want to.  These groups would
be non-profit entities run in the community where everyone trust each
other.

[lots of ranting about advertising]

Well...if these ads appeal to the people who want to buy a Jeep or
Cigarettes or whatever, let them.  We've told people that Jeeps
pollute the environment and that cigs will kill you.  If these 
people don't care about their health, what can you do?

The problem you run into is that you can't force people to behave
like you want them to.  The Jeep is the best way to get around vast
areas of rough land.  It is a useful tool.  If you want to start
making mass transit systems, start a company.  But where will you
get your energy?  From coal-burning or nuclear generated electricity.
Solar isnt efficient enough yet.

Except for that we will all have to go back to the stone-age and I,
for one, refuse.  We can all be kind to the environment in smart
ways that minimize the damage.  I'll agree that CFCs are big problem.
There are solutions to this.  Sometimes just using a differnt CFC is
good enough.

Many big corporations are problematic though.  Without corrupt government
protecting these vast corporate life-forms, that could be knocked back
a bit.  Many times people don't even know they're being screwed and you
can blame that on corporate controlled, profit centered information
sources like Time, Newsweek, Washington Post, NY Times etc.

How many people knew that on July 1, 1991 roughly a short ton of
cocaine flew into Alameda Naval Airbase in San Francico.  It did
this on a military cargo flight.  The DEA actually busted them.

You didn't hear a peep from the national Media.  Now do you understand?
You people are being lulled to sleep!  Turn off your goddamned TVs
and read!  Read everything you can get your hands on and then think
hard.


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