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From: system@cyberden.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Ministry in LA - Anyone got an extra ticket for sale?
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 00:31:34 PST
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Looks like I'll in LA when Ministry is there... if anyone for some reason
has a ticket to sell, lemmie know...  thanks

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From: dkletter@adobe.com (SUGAR in their vitamins?)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Burroughs Discography
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:04:33 GMT
Organization: Flying Esophagus Productions

angst@orion.ucsb.edu (Hopelessly in Love with Donna Reid) writes:
>It's funny to hear a complaint about repetition from Dan; I know of lots
>of stuff he likes that I consider to be repetitive and boring. (-;

as always Dave, you have your opinions, and i have the truth... 2;)

seriously though... yeah, you're right there are some repetetive stuff
i like. for instance, i am really fascinated by anything Glenn Branca
does. his symphonies are very repetetive. he typically uses disonant
chords that go unresolved but somehow seem to continue building. i
suppose some might consider that boring, but there is something really
amazing in that music that you can't ignore.

on the other hand, this Burroughs/Van Sant thing is completely on the
other end of the spectrum with tideous cheesy synth refrains and
rather obnoxious and stupid "Burroughs-speak" used so that Gus could
say he and Burroughs worked on it; as far as i'm concerned.

i've listened to a lot of Burroughs' stuff and i tend to like those where
he has no musical accompanyment (sp?) such as his long monologues or his
old cutup experiments (sure, those are repetetive also, but they are
something entirely different because they are truley random splices).

how i draw the line is because there is something un-premediated
about these early works that Burroughs did. when i listened to that
Elvis of Letters EP, i felt like someone had pre-judged me, the audience
and made a calculated decision based on how i would or would not react.
in a sense, they dumbed it down for a wider audience group and i found
that insulting. i cannot point to such a thing in most other Burroughs
works (except Dead City Radio aside) because he was recording, not for
yours or my benefit, but for himself and in that way, it sounds more
sincere and interesting.

why i'm trying to explain this, i don't know, but it seems important
to me that it's understood there was a reason why i think it sucked.
there are pleanty of cheesy premeditated repetetive sample-happy synth
montages out there and some of them work (Negativland might be a good
example) but this one seemed to fall flat on its face for me.

hasta.

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From: dkletter@adobe.com (SUGAR in their vitamins?)
Subject: Re: DVA
Organization: Flying Esophagus Productions
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:29:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.000421.11206@news.vanderbilt.edu> DICKENJD@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Orpheus) writes:
>They are really neither. Try..... 'minimalist electronic music bordering
>on the dancy, but experimental enough to make you think twice about it'. :)

i'd disagree with that... i tend to find both BLACK SOULS IN WHITE SUITS
and THIRST to be of the avant-jazz nature. try listening again and you'll
see what i mean.

hasta.
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From: ogre@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lestat)
Subject: Re: SP
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:02:04 GMT

Mark.Wagner@f99.n121.z1.fidonet.org (Mark Wagner) writes:

>The sound entering the loop at 00:17 on track 11 of Skinny Puppy's
>_Last_Rights_ sounds identical to the sound made by the elephants in one 
>of the fight locales of the video game "Street Fighter" (maybe Street 
>Fighter II or Street Fighter Championship Edition, I can not remeber 
>which).  Perhaps they sampled this game.
> 

Yeah, I thought exactly the same thing the first time I heard it, too.
From: markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: What a joke
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 23:15:11 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: darkpark

Bones, <U38956@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

> Actually, I have heard Ogre's voice w/o distortion--the night he apologized
> to the audience for the stuff not working during the show in May '92
> at the Vic Theatr in Chicago.  We were amazed.  After sitting thru
> 1 or 2 hrs of his distorted voice, he suddenly had a mousey voice off distor-
> tion--kinda like Mike Tyson's voice!


	At the Toronto show, between the encores, he started talking
to the audience in his normal voice and manner. We were going
"What the fuck! What does he think he's doing!" Kinda ruined the
show for me -- I like to think of Ogre as being like his stage
personality all the time. Heck, he might even be a nice guy!



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From: torben@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Random Tox)
Subject: Re: Record Speeds (was Re: What a joke)
Organization: The Durex Blender Corporation
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:29:09 GMT

In article <2B2E8F9A.9798@news.service.uci.edu> dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless) writes:

>	Try playing the 12" for "Oh Yeah", at 45 and the guy's voice sounds 
>like a completely normal speaking voice.  Apparently the slow-down is exactly
>equal to a 45 -> 33 speed change.
>

	This question goes out to everyone... Under what musical heading
would Yello be classified? I can see it being discussed here, in r.m.i,
but it isn't really industrial...

				- Ridnob Xot


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From: dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: What a joke
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:38:29 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <4fA038u00YUn4Jfo59@andrew.cmu.edu> Joseph Velardi <jv14+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>Oh my.  Someone pass me the hari kari knife.
                             ^^^^ ^^^^

	That's 'hara kiri'.  Sorry - pet peeve.

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Subject: Re: Ministry in LA - Anyone got an extra ticket for sale?
From: douellet@csulb.edu (Daniel Ouellette)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:13:49 GMT
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

In article <B8ZLVB7w165w@cyberden.uucp> system@cyberden.uucp writes:
>Looks like I'll in LA when Ministry is there... if anyone for some reason
>has a ticket to sell, lemmie know...  thanks
>
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Yes, I have _one_ ticket. I tried personal email (twice), but it bounced both
times. Contact me at douellet@csulb.edu or call me at 310.494.6897.
-Daniel
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From: jaw@pyramid.unr.edu (James A Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Coil (relating to _Fixed_)
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:39:16 GMT
Reply-To: jaw@pyramid.unr.edu (James A Wilson)
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno  Department of Computer Science


 Hey everybody,

 I don't know _THAT_ much about industrial music beyond some of the bigger
names (and owning some Skinny P, Ministry, NIN), so I need some help.
 I am TOTALLY thrilled about the direction Trent Reznor has taken wish his
still young career and I just dig this new remix album, so I want to know
a bit more about the other people involved with it.  In particular, since
I love the first song so much, who is COIL?  If the remix of Gave Up is
at all representative of what Coil sounds like, could someone please 
recommend an starter album for me to get me into Coil?  
 If it helps at all, my favorites from _Fixed_ are Gave Up and Screaming
Slave, but all of them are cool. 

 Bytheway, I don't know if it is just me hallucinating or what, but this
_Fixed_ disc seems to get louder and louder as the songs progress.

 Thanks!

  Jimbo 
So that everyone needs to hang on Tighter
						 < jaw@pyramid.cs.unr.edu > 
 						 < jimbo@unssun.scs.edu >
From: markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: What a joke
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 22:52:31 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: darkpark

Joseph Velardi <jv14+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> The original poll was for, and I quote, "BEST VOICE."
> 
> "VOICE" implies natural singing talent, which Ogre obviously lacks.
> 
> IF Ogre HAD any talent, he wouldn't have to rely on processing machines
> to the point where he's never heard without him.  The guy might as well
> have an implant.


	**YAWN***

	This is sooooo Stuuuuupid that I would doubt that you
would understand if I explained it to you.


> Bjork has an empirically good voice.  Better than Ogre's I might add. 
> Much.  Yes, the Sugarcubes songs are tasteless, but her voice
> compensates well.


	So what you're saying is that a good voice makes the
music? Get back to your dweeb-pop world. One of the tenets of
industrial is to vanquish such notions.


> >         Did your daddy let you use his usenet account again? I
> > expect more maturity from fourteen-year-olds, dork.
> 
> Dork?  Yes, that's maturity for you.  Oh yes, that and I'm also
> fourteen.  At least my daddy likes me.


	Oooooo. Your daddy likes you! Dork.


> >         You win my vote for stupid-post-of-the-month. Feel
> > proud, it takes a hell-of-an idiot to get this award.
> >  
> 
> Your single vote constitutes the award?  Geez, someone has a big head. 
> Actually,  I'm disappointed.  I was shooting for stupid post of the
> millenium.  


	Actually, the voting process is composed of hundreds of
people. You should see what we say about you behind your back,
but you can't because the newsgroup is I.Q. selective.

 
> But fair is fair, and I don't want to hog the spotlight.  Mark, I hereby
> give you the Award For Pointlessly Dragging Out a Trivial Thread Over a
> Week and a Half and Giving Joe Plenty of Opportunities to Antagonize You
> Further in the Process.  Well done.

 
	If you're purpose was to generate a flame war, then you
succeeded. Unfortunately, the purpose is to argue a point that
no one else agrees with, and at least have some substantial
backing arguements. Your arguement is so full of holes, that I
considered passing it up -- but was bored that day. It's about
that time in a flame war when you should come out with a strong
conclusive point, but you're trapped in the corner being
pummeled by much stronger logic. You don't have anything to say
except to senselessly insult those who argue back. Do you even know 
what the points of the arguements are? Do you care, or is this just your
chance to try and join the "big boys". Man, have you failed!


> Oh my.  Someone pass me the hari kari knife.

	Good idea. You'll never live down the shame.





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From: bevis@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeff Bevis)
Subject: Re: Cyberaktif
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 22:37:34 GMT

>
>  Does anyone know what else Cyberaktif has done besides Tenebrae Vision? 
>I've been looking, and can't seem to find anything (other than the 
>'Nothing Stays' single)... any information would be greatly appreciated.
>

There's a single for Temper.  I have it.  I love it.  Meltdown is great.


-bevis

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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 02:27:28 -0500 
From: Joshua John Buergel <jbbb+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Suggestions?

[I'm too lazy to quote, but the original poster was asking about Foetus.]

I think you'll find that most people will point to 1985's _Nail_, by
Scraping Foetus Off The Wheel (look under "S" as well as "F" in the
record store) as being Foetus' best material.  That said, I think it is
all brilliant (I haven't heard too much early stuff, though, since most
of it is waaaaay out of print, such as _Deaf_ and _Ache_).  1983's
_Hole_ (again by Scraping...) is kinda goofy in parts (see "Satan
Place", which features a Beach Boys-like chorus), and kinda nasty in
parts ("White Knuckles), but all brilliant.  Kinda quirky, though. 
_Nail_ just flat out rules.  Sweeping orchestral instrumentals ("The
Overture From Pigdom Come") with nasty, evil songs like "The Throne Of
Agony" and "DI 1-9026".  Most of the songs on this album do a slow build
from beginning to end that is fascinating, because you don't really
notice the songs are speeding up until the end.  Also, "Private
War/Anything (Viva!)" is on this album, so you can't lose!  1988's
_Thaw_ is much nastier than the earlier stuff, and most of the
quirkiness is gone (excepting "Haus-On-Fah" which is very quirky, but
just flat out evil too).  The instrumentals are brilliant on this album,
though, and the first three songs ("Don't Hide It Provide It",
"Asbestos" and "Fin") actually reduced me to shuddering the first time I
played them (something I can't say about any other music).  _Sink_ is
cool because it collect alot of early stuff on one disc, but it's not
cool because most of them are edits of the originals.  Why oh why
couldn't Wax Trax! put this out as a real double CD?  Oh well.  Anyway,
it's a good retrospective of Foetus' early years, and has about eight
really cool instrumentals on it.  Plus, it is on Wax Trax!, so it's
pretty easy to find.  _Male_, the recent live album (_Rife_, a bootleg
that was nearly official, is also floating around, but I don't care for
it much) is really, really great.  Alot of really cool songs done in the
live Foetus style - really sludgy (he tours with a couple of ex-Swans,
so what do you expect?).  One of the best releases of this year.  Go for
_Nail_, though.  Hope this helps,

Joshua Buergel - allroy@cmu.edu - jbbb@andrew.cmu.edu
"Anybody who thinks we overstepped the playground perimeter of lyrical
decency (or that the public has any right to demand 'social
responsibility' from a goddamn punk rock band) is a pure natural dolt,
and should step forward and put his tongue up my ass." - Steve Albini
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From: mag@wam.umd.edu (Michael)
Subject: Re: Skinny Puppy question.
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:07:55 GMT

In article <92344.120814SXL136@psuvm.psu.edu> SXL136@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>     I have one question about SP that comes to mind when listening to Download
> from Last Rights...Is the song referring in any way to a *computer* download,
>and is it possible that there is something funky going on in the song like
>Information Society did on a few albums back that actually is a baud transmissi
>on? just something to think about, I was wondering if anyone could enlighten
>me.
>
>
>   .sig space for lease
>
>  -Sean LeBlanc


     well this might help - i did a phone interview with Dwayne Goettel and
the subject of religion came up. He said that he doesn't subscribe to any
particular religion, and his idea of "God" is a big computer in the sky
and we are put on the earth to do stuff, and then when we die the info
on our "lives" is fed back into the computer for some as-of-yet-unknown
reason....he basically said that he thinks this is all one big strange
experiment -- he seemed to say all of this half-jokingly but he did seem
to mean it, and he said that he wanted to express that feeling in the 
song...dwayne is also something of a computer whiz and a technophile so
that definitely has an influence.

Mike
mag@wam.umd.edu
From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Neu Neubauten?
Date: 20 Dec 92 02:42:44 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I've heard rumors of a new Neubauten release for January.  Is this true?

And if so, will they tour?


I'm still looking for reviews of all their albums and a discography...

thanks...

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From: markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Malhavoc
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 13:15:12 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: darkpark


	Another thing I forgot to mention is that the lyrics are
actually quite good. I was surprised -- you don't expect lyrics
this good from this type of music (why not?). When I was talking to the
singer (James Cavalluzzo) at a concert I got the impression he was quite
intelligent and knew what he was trying to say (lyric wise). When reading
the lyrics, it shows it even further. 



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From: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Record Speeds (was Re: What a joke)
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:47:10 GMT
Reply-To: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)
Organization: Heurikon Corporation, Madison, WI

dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless) writes:
>>Try playing the 12" for "Oh Yeah", at 45 and the guy's voice sounds 
>>like a completely normal speaking voice.  Apparently the slow-down is 
>>equal to a 45 -> 33 speed change.

Some of us developed our taste for grindcore by purchasing one of the
early Crass LPs with one side at 45 and the other at 33 and then never
playing the 45 side at the proper speed for such a long time that we
decided we *like* it that slowly.....

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From: joe@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Question Authority)
Subject: Re: NIN --FIXED--
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:38:23 GMT
Organization: Boy, Girl, Boy, Girl...                            
Keywords: Juxtaposition 

In article <1gbodrINNdeo@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa561@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bob Nekic) writes:
>
>
>This is a definate MUST HAVE CD for NIN fans.  It's longer than Broken
>and cheaper than Broken -AND- in my opinion superior to Broken.

   I would have to agree that this one is better than broken.  It's too bad Trent doesn't do more work with other people. He writes good shit, but it could be better if he would let others in on it. Oh well.

>
>This makes waiting for the next full-length CD next year somewhat
>easier.  
   Yep, it does. And I bet that he is laughing all the way to the bank.

>As it is, Fixed is only awesome...heh heh

 	
			Just my $1.46 worth.

			   jOe...


			
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From: dbyrne@unix1.tcd.ie (I'm the Hip-Priest)
Subject: Re: Suggestions?
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:55:56 GMT

In <92345.014828SXL136@psuvm.psu.edu> SXL136@psuvm.psu.edu writes:


>      I want to buy something from Foetus (sp?), but I am not sure which
>album to try out...what would be good choice for a Foetus newbie? ie, what
>would be their definitive work, or *best* work, if there is one.

Personally, I think that "HOLE" is the best. I've got it on tape (which
has extra tracks which are brilliant). I have never seen any Foetus on
CD unfortunately and was wondering about its availability. I've got the
Steroid Maximus CD but that hasn't got the Foetus name really, has it?

Ah well.......

dan


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From: dmanning@cwis.unomaha.edu (Dave Manning)
Subject: Lassigue Bendthaus?
Summary: info needed
Keywords: kraftwerk meets cabaret voltaire
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:22:18 GMT

A friend of mine recently bought "Cloned", a ten-track disc by Lassigue
Bendthaus, who is a) presumably German, and b) a one-man machine. The disc
is ... interesting; it's repetitive in some places, and if you saw my 
keywords field, his music sounds like a melding of Cabaret Voltaire w/ 
Kraftwerk. The release is on Contempo records.

Does anyone have any info on this guy? Reply here, or by mail.

Dave
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From: md@theory.esm.rochester.edu (Mike DeMurga)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Early Kraftwerk on CD???
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:17:06 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester, Rochester NY

In article <Bz2q0q.H6n@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) writes:
>>  The only early one I haven't found
>>is the Ralf and Florian album.  I have it on vinyl, but not on cd.
>>
>Um, there's two missing here. "Kraftwerk" and "Kraftwerk 2" precede "Ralf
>and Florian".
>
>
>D.A.C. Crowell
>Computer Music Project/School of Music
>University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign

Could you please post a brief review of the Ralf and Florian album?  First
time I saw it, I wasn't quite sure it was Kraftwerk guys...

--Mike
From: al@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (haus der luge)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Neubaten Question
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 13:42:10 CST
Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada

locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Lupo the Butcher) writes:

> 
> 
> I am curious about the symbol on "Strategies Agianst Architecture II".
> Yoiu know, the stick-figure like thing... Anyone have a clue as to its
> origins? Does it come from some famous cave-painting or something?
> 
> -Lupo

 
That symbol you speak of appears not only SAA II, but on every other EN 
cover as well.  Sometimes it is not as apparent, but it's always there.
I'd really like to know the origin of it as well though, so please keep 
me posted.
 
HausDerLuge

PS:  You can mail order metal pins of that figure from EN (I can give you 
their mailing address if you wish).