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From: atrw0176@cellar.org (Atrw93)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: GE chugging
Date: 20 Nov 92 02:58:38 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp) writes:
> 
> 
> >  They share more than that...GE's FDL-16 has the same bore, stroke, and RPM
> >as the Alco 251.  I made some recordings of GBW C424's last summer, and 
> >was surprised at how similar they sounded to the B23-7's I got on the ATSF.
> 
> Speaking of Alco, ever notice how the older ones idle just above
> "stall"?  I remember listening to CNJ RS3's and NYS&W RS1's idling.
> You'd swear they would stall at any moment.  But they never did, they
> just kept on.

Don't overlook the fact that the Alcos, 539, 244, & 251 as well as
all of the GE engines are four cycle engines (like most cars)
and that EMD stuck with the two cycle concept (like your B&S
lawn mower engine). The near stall sound on the Alcos was due to the
GE electric governor cycling.


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From: pierson@ggone.enet.dec.com (Dave Pierson)
Subject: Re: Attack on a Train
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:23:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.153837.1720@msus1.msus.edu>, schumann@msus1.msus.edu
writes, in part:

>Like most large cities, many of the railroads in Chicago pass through 
>high-crime areas.  This presents railroads with problems in addition 
>to people getting themselves hit by trains (or running into trains),
>vandalizing equipment, and throwing rocks.

>For example, the Conrail railroad police routinely follow trains on 
>city streets.  If a train has to stop, the Conrail police quickly show 
>up to protect the train from people who come to steal things out of 
>the boxcars and containers.  

	Not confined to the cities.  A freight lost its air, some years back,
	while passing thru a _very_ affluent boston suburb.  UNfortunately,
	there was a party in the woods, closse to the RoW.  The partygoers
	started breaking into boxcars, and knew enough to disconnect the air to
	keep things stopped.  There have been Conrail crew mugged in
	Massachussetts, altho in urban areas.

	I read, probably in RGI, of either LT, or one of commuter lines around
	London, getting tired of rockchuckers on a particular stretch.  So one
	day the rockchuckers were VERY surprised when the train went into
	emergency and LOTS of police piled out.  Calmed things down, for
	a while...

thanks
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From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
Subject: Re: bullet train death
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 10:49:25 GMT

> I wonder what the stopping distance is from ~300 km/h?

The TGV-PSE apparently needs about 3.5 km (2.2 miles) for an emergency
stop from 270 km/h (168 mph).  This implies to a deceleration rate of
about 1/12 gravity.  I say "apparently" because my source appears to
show the same emergency stopping distance from 235 km/h, so something
must be slightly wrong there.

In any case it would be close to that distance.  The TGV uses 6-aspect
(cab-)signaling, with signal blocks 2.1 km (1.3 miles) long...
-- 
Mark Brader, SoftQuad Inc., Toronto  |	Rocket, 1829: The first 30 mph train.
utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com	     |	TGV-A, 1989: The first 300 mph train.

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From: barry@helios.ucsc.edu (Barry Alcott)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Train Show in Santa Clara, CA
Date: 16 Nov 1992 16:32:12 GMT
Organization: UCO/Lick Observatory
Distribution: us
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 	******** South Bay Historical Railroad Society ********

				PRESENTS

		Scale Model Railroad Show and Open House



	The Alameda    |                           |
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                       |                           |
    Franklin Ave. ---> |                           | <--- Benton
                       |                           |
                       |  Railroad Ave.            |
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			 +--------------+
			 |              | Santa Clara Depot
			 +--------------+			SP tracks
=============================================================================


	    DATES:  NOVEMBER 21 & 22
	    TIMES:  10:00am to 5:00pm
	 LOCATION:  The Santa Clara CalTrains Depot
	ADMISSION:  Adults $1.50  Kids 12 & under $.50  Families $4.00
		    1005 Railroad Ave. Santa Clara,  CA
		    (408)243-3969


	Come and enjoy the fun at the Santa Clara Depot!  We

are having an open house at the end of November.  We will have

our railroad museum open allowing you to experience some of

the Santa Clara valley's railroading history.  With many

displays and artifacts for the adults to browse through and

operating model railroads for the kids to enjoy, a grand time

should be had by all!

	The museum artifacts include such things as operating

Wig-Wag signal, railroad block signal, old steam locomotive bell,

switchstand lanterns, and a multitude of static displays and

historic photos.

	The kids (and adults!) will enjoy running layouts

in N-scale, HO-scale, and a special Lionel layout.

	
		SEE YOU THERE!


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From: cab@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (carl.a.benevit)
Subject: Re: GE chugging
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:20:12 GMT

There's another GE 40-8 "sound" that I've heard while the engine is
idling. The quiet burble suddenly increases in rpm and is accompanied
by something starting up (like a big fan, increasing revs, etc.)
accompanied by a compressor like sound and a whine, which runs
for a couple of minutes and then shuts down. This may or may not
be operating when the engine is in motion. I'm not sure.
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Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp)
Subject: Re: Why long end of engine forward?
Organization: LA&W RR
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 06:44:35 GMT

In article <1e4pt5INN1g4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema) writes:

>  N&W and Southern ordered engines with high hoods so that "the crews would
>not object to running the engines long hood forward," and the long hood was
>usually "front."  Whether this was for crew safety or just so they wouldn't 
>have to turn the engines as often, I don't know.  The practice of ordering 
>high short hoods ended with the delivery of the first SD50's to N&W...either 
>EMD and GE wouldn't cooperate anymore, or it was decided that the SD50 and 
>C36-7 were just too darn long to run long hood forward.  Southern's GP50's 
>were (I think) the last high hood units bought.

I seem to recall that N&W and/or SRR and/or NS received some low hood
units which were set up to run long hood forward.


>  Most NS trains I've seen the last few years have run with the lead engine 
>short hood forward, even with the older high-hood engines.  I have seen 6-axle
>DASH 8's run "backwards" on rare occasion though, which looks REALLY odd.

I saw a pair of NS Dash-8 in Oak Island Yard (ex-LV, Newark, NJ) about 6
months to a year ago coupled short hoods together.  Presumable they ran
in and out this way.


>  One other NS question...many old ex-SOU engines have two sets of horns, one
>set mounted on each hood.  Did they feel that running nearly invisible black
>engines made extra volume on the horns necessary?

Could these be set up with dual controls?  If so then the appropriate
set of horns would be used depending upon which end was leading.
Although I don't recall if they had dual horns, the EL had some
U33/36C's and perhaps some SD45's set up with dual control.  It was not
all that uncommon to find these running long hood forward.
From: hudson@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Hudson Leighton)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Recording trains
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:25:00 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

Have you tryed a "Shotgun" mic.?

I have done some recording with a Shotgun mic from 40 ft + from the track 
and the wind noise in not opjectable.  


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From: johnm@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com.mcm.hp.com (John Mosbarger)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: GE chugging
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:31:11 GMT
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carl.a.benevit (cab@cbnewsm.cb.att.com) wrote:
: There's another GE 40-8 "sound" that I've heard while the engine is
: idling. The quiet burble suddenly increases in rpm and is accompanied
: by something starting up (like a big fan, increasing revs, etc.)
: accompanied by a compressor like sound and a whine, which runs
: for a couple of minutes and then shuts down. This may or may not
: be operating when the engine is in motion. I'm not sure.

     This is probably the humongous radiator fan starting up.  UP's DASH8-
40C's in Portland seem to do it on a fairly regular basis when idling or
moving slowly with a train.  Sorta sounds like Scotty just stuck the Enter-
prise into warp drive :-).

John

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Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca
Subject: Rail/airport city abbreviations (was RE: Amtrak list...)
Organization: McGill University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:50:27 GMT

In article <TML.92Nov16103137@hemuli.tik.vtt.fi> tml@tik.vtt.fi (Tor Lillqvist) writes:
>In article <Pine.3.05.9211151945.A26182-e100000@uafhp.uark.edu> plaws@uafhp.uark.edu (Peter Laws) writes:
>    1) Taken from _Amtrak System Train Timetables_, valid through 4/3/93.
>
>     1 Sunset Ltd.             NOL LAX 136 Comb w/21 SAS
>                               ^^^ ^^^
>
>Why does Amtrak use what I assume are *airport* designators for
>stations? Isn't that both stupid, as trains are supposed to compete
>with airplanes, and misleading, as many cities have several airports,
>none of which presumably are as conveniently located as the railway
>station(s)?
>--
Here in Canada, airport designators all begin with the letter Y,
and usually make no sense at all.  For example, Toronto (Malton)
is YYZ, and Montreal (Dorval) is YUL.

Fortunately, VIA Rail does not use these codes.  It has its own system
of 4-letter abbreviations.  E.g. Halifax (HLFX), Truro (TRUR),
Moncton (MCTN), Saint John, New Brunswick (SJNB), Montreal (MTRL).
These are mainly for internal use, and would not normally be seen
by the travelling public.  A passenger booked in a sleeping car on
the Chaleur going from St. Lambert to Gaspe would appear as SLAMGASP.

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Air whistles (was Scaring away meese)
From: Robert Chambers <RMCCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 16 Nov 1992 14:31:17 EST
 CA> <6km8TB2w165w@1776.COM><1e6kasINN866@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Organization: CUNY/UCC VM Systems

Well Metro North from time to time have problems with Deer... like the
one time we hit one coming home and were delayed a few mins for them
to pull the carcas from under the train.

The conductor was telling his assistant that the meat would probably be
good since it was cold and would keep.. Yum.. M2 vennison.

Robert
Newsgroups: rec.railroad,rec.aviation.misc
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Subject: Re: Stupid People
Organization: LLNL
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:31:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.194002.17469@wubios.wustl.edu> derek@wubios.wustl.edu (Derek Morgan) writes:
 The
: accident of the week:

: 28-year pregnant mother drives around crossing gate to wait for train to pass
: on far track. In gaining these precious 10 yards, which will save her an
: enormous amount of time, she fails to realize that the gate now behind her
: has a purpose; an oncoming train hits her car. She is in critical condition;
: her three children in the car with her were also injured.

	The perfect sob story.

: She has been unable to comment on her proud, defiant stand in the face of the
: oncoming frieght. Her family is preparing to take legal action against the
: engineer, saying that since he saw the car on the tracks, he was negligent in
: not stopping the train.

	I wonder how many other such legal actions have been taken,
and how they've turned out.

	And I wonder how many people realize that (1) trains cannot
swerve and (2) trains usually have an awfully long stopping distance.

Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: d88-hba@nada.kth.se (Harald Barth)
Subject: Re: Maximum Flatcar Length?
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:51:35 GMT


The longest pieces transported on flatcars are strings of rail, 
some hundred meters in length. They span over a whole train and
flex along the line. The longest nonflexing piece I know about 
was transported on heavy duty equippment and spanned over three
(european) flatcars between them. ~50m i guess, Signal equippment 
had to be removed along the line... If my memory doesn't betray 
me, these beams were used to span the ceiling in a gymnasium.

Harald.
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: brom@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (David Bromage)
Subject: Re: Vandalism
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:14:27 GMT

Chris Bell (agrcjb@ee.latrobe.edu.au) wrote:
: This Sunday, the Vintage Train pulled by steam loco K153 ran a trip out
: to Eltham from Melbourne for the local Eltham Festival.  It then ran two
: shuttle trips back to Heidelberg for us locals.
: 
: On its second trip, someone threw a tin of blue paint over the loco,
: probably from one of the overbridges.  The loco was running tender first, 
: and the tender copped most of the paint, right over the right-hand side.
: 
: Vandalism to the local electrics is one thing (and their is plenty of it
: on the Hurstbridge line), but I cannot possibly understand the mentality
: of anyone who would deliberately set out to damage a beautifully restored
: steam locomotive while it is carrying hundreds of waving, enthusiastic
: passengers having lots of fun.  I bet the paint cost more than the fare!
: 
: That happening ruined what had been a really great day for myself and
: many other steam fans.  It was wonderful to watch and listen as the train
: laboured over the hills near Eltham that the electrics hardly slow down for!
: 
: It has been several years since steam last ventured to Eltham, and now I
: doubt whether the ARHS will be very keen on letting it ever come back.

Point of order, K153 is run by Steamrail Victoria, not ARHS.

As an active member of Steamrail I was also horrified by this act of
vandalism. I spent many days working on K153 during her last repaint.

But every cloud has s silver lining, K190 (which has not had much work
this year) will get to run to Bacchus Marsh next week in place of K153.

BTW, Tait car 470M ran to Hurstbridge late last year.

: Chris Bell
: agrcjb@lucjb.latrobe.edu.au

David Bromage
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: More on Bos to Portland, Me rail service
From: Aron Eisenpress <AFECU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 20 Nov 1992 15:45:35 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <lgqcmdINNgd6@news.bbn.com>, rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman) says:
>
>On the other hand, I recall that Amtrak DID use to run shuttle
>trains between Penn and Grand Central stations in New York,
>even though it's a short walk (or subway ride) between them.
>Never understood why Amtrak provided that service.

Actually it was a bus, not a train.  There's no easy rail connection.

For the passengers, it's actually a good walk, and the subway connection
requires a change of subways, so it was probably a worthwhile service.
Never rode it myself though.
-------

 -- Aron Eisenpress, City U of NY
    (AFECU@CUNYVM.BITNET, or AFECU@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU on the Internet)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: jcj@tellabs.com (jcj)
Subject: Re^2: Amtrak List of Trains by # (LOOONG) (fwd)
Organization: We don't need no stinkin' organization!
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:31:39 GMT

Tor Lillqvist writes:
>Peter Laws writes:
>
>     1 Sunset Ltd.             NOL LAX 136 Comb w/21 SAS
>			       ^^^ ^^^
>
>Why does Amtrak use what I assume are *airport* designators for
>stations? Isn't that both stupid, as trains are supposed to compete
>with airplanes, and misleading, as many cities have several
>airports...

I noticed Chicago is designated as "CHI" instead of "ORD" for O'Hare
International  (which I believe came from Orchard Field but that's
a different group...).
-- 
		        jcj@tellabs.com
		      Carpe salsa et chips
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: derek@wubios.wustl.edu (Derek Morgan)
Subject: Stupid People
Organization: Division of Biostatistics, WUMS, St. Louis, MO
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:40:02 GMT

On the front page of today's (11/17) Post-Dispatch, there is a story about
grade crossing accidents: "4 Die in Week; Authorities Cite Lack Of Caution"
reads the subhead. The police in granite City, IL, just across the river are
going to "target" the RR crossings and hand out tickets if somebody disobeys
the signals.

The place noted is an excellent place to photograph and watch trains; NS, CSX,
IC, Amtrak, and an occasional Terminal RR job go through on 4 tracks. If you
hang out for more than 1 train, you will also see some near accidents. The
accident of the week:

28-year pregnant mother drives around crossing gate to wait for train to pass
on far track. In gaining these precious 10 yards, which will save her an
enormous amount of time, she fails to realize that the gate now behind her
has a purpose; an oncoming train hits her car. She is in critical condition;
her three children in the car with her were also injured.

She has been unable to comment on her proud, defiant stand in the face of the
oncoming frieght. Her family is preparing to take legal action against the
engineer, saying that since he saw the car on the tracks, he was negligent in
not stopping the train.

Geez.

Derek Morgan
From: schumann@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: ICC gives WC preliminary approval to buy GB&W
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:48:33 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System

In article <1992Nov11.014308.6725@mixcom.com>,
Joe.Russ <Joe.Russ@mixcom.mixcom.com> writes, in part:
> 
> It's sad, but true, but according to the 11/10/92 Milwaukee Journal,
> the ICC has given preliminary approval to the Wisconsin Central to buy
> the GB&W and FRVR. However, the ICC also voted to exted job protection
> to the employees of the two lines. The final formal opinion, which
> will be given by Dec. 10, is expected to be the same as this one.

The Chicago & North Western had asked that numerous conditions 
(trackage rights, etc.) be placed on this transaction.  Has anyone 
heard whether the ICC is granting any of C&NW's requests?
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From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Amtrak's future under a Clinton administration
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:59:56 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <P8XcuB4w164w@cellar.org> atrw0176@cellar.org (Atrw93) writes:
 > As long as the US Customs service believes that every traveler is
 > smuggling drugs and takes its arrogant attitude toward the train service,
 > no one knows how much to allow for border travel.
 > 
 > If you make it a reasonably expected time they will hold you up
 > anothe 30 min to two hours. If you allow more time in the schedule
 > and they finish fast, then you sit and wait out your departure
 > time.
 > 
A possible solution would be for customs to go through the train while it
is travelling.  This has been implemented in Europe for as long as I remember
(and I am over 40 years, I think the last cases where you had to get out of
the train or somesuch was in the late 50s).  This was even true with the
paranoid customs on the (then) iron curtain.  But perhaps this is too rational.
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From: bill@mathnx.math.byu.edu (Bill Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Traction motors(was:Re: ICE trains withdrawn in October?)
Date: 20 Nov 1992 02:00:31 GMT
Organization: Brigham Young University
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Nov19.221903.5009@cs.su.oz.au> matthew@cs.su.oz (Matthew Geier)  
writes:
> In article <TSOS.174.721926232@uni-duesseldorf.de> TSOS@uni-duesseldorf.de  
(Detlef Lannert) writes:
> 
> >It's correct that they had problems with the rotor parts of the traction
> >motors. I don't know if any of them actually broke but cracks showed up 
> >when the motors were inspected. 
> 
>  A similar type of problem has showen up on Sydneys new 'Tangara' trains,
> a unit derailed in a yard because a bogie collapsed. It was then found that
> it an a number of other bogies in the set were cracked.
> 
An old problem in the same vein of traction motor defects seems to have  
occurred with the EMD  D-67  traction motors, used in the GP-35 (I think).  
The insides would melt under heavy use.

-Bill
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