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From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Subject: Re: TANGENT Re: "We Will Stand" stolen by Clinton
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:46:26 GMT

In article <BxKwF1.B1q@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> speg@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Doug Speheger) writes:
 
>Also from Webster's:
>
>blasphemy - n. contemptuous or irreverent [lacking respect] speech about God
>or things reguarded as sacred.

Why are you posting a definition of "blasphemy" (I know what it means, by
the way) if you didn't feel that my posting was blasphemous?  What's
your point?  It's a loaded word, particularly on this newsgroup, and 
I deeply resent my name being associated with it.  

slanderer - n. 1. one who utters false charges or misrepresentations
which defame and damage another's reputation.  

The Bible has a few things to say about such behavior as well.  You
might want to read them.  

>     Although, I agree that the notion that one politician or political party
>is "God's chosen" is ridiculous, it seems that a better method to communicate
>this could have been chosen.  

What would you suggest?  I disagreed with several points made in a posting
equating one political candidate as God's choice and another political
candidate as God's judgement on America.  I couched my disagreement in
what I hoped would be interpreted as humorous terms.  I did this as
a way of focusing on the points raised in the original posting rather
on the original poster, who I have no quarrel with and no wish to
disparage.  

>I would not call the "God and the G.O.P." post
>blasphemous (I saw no contempt - at least not toward God), I did not see much
>reverence shown either.  Is God to be reduced as a source of humor (trenchant
>wit, irony, or sarcasm?)  

Why is humor a "reduction" of God?  I see no reason to believe that God 
doesn't value humor, and I see no reason to believe that God should not 
be used as a source of humor.  The only possible reason that I can see
is if the humor is somehow used to mock or disparage God, and I flatly deny
that I did that in my original post.  

>Is the name of the Lord to be used as a pawn to
>prove or disprove a political opinion?  I hope not.

The posting I was responding to was clearly linking God's favor and
wrath with various political opinions and candidates.  The whole point 
of my posting was to poke fun at such a view, and to use satire as a 
means of *questioning* the whole idea that the name of the Lord should 
be used to prove or disprove a political opinion.  You're accusing me of 
the very thing that I was objecting to in my posting.

>speg
>-- 
>        _
>Doug "SPEG" Speheger
>University of Oklahoma, School of Meteorology
>speg@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu, speg@metgem.gcn.uoknor.edu

Andy Whitman
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
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From: mr-vince@bu-pub.bu.edu (Vincent Hufffaker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Pray For Rain: OPEN DISCUSSION
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:38:29 GMT
Followup-To: Re: Pray for Rain: OPEN DISCUSSION
Organization: Boston University

For those of you unfortunate people who haven't heard
Pray for Rain and are wondering what they sound like,
well, the lead songwriter is the lead vocalist is the 
lead guitarist.  I think they kinda sound like what you
would get if you combined Phil Keaggy and The Choir.

They have fun with their music and they perform it very well.
The music is lively, but not overbearing.
Mainly guitars, very little keyboards (drums are implied).

Good enough?

--vince--
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: burtp@rs6304.ecs.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt)
Subject: Re: Chasing kangaroos
Keywords: The Choir
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:25:51 GMT

proud men build holy shrines; wise men wonder

(????????????????????????????????????????????)

i just don't know--- but i love this album

sometimes i think it is my favorite tape of all time

i'm surprised it hasn't worn out yet!

does anyone have it on vinyl???
i would buy it just for the intense cover & lyric sheet!!!!


Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: hgs@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Harry Salvini)
Subject: Re: who wrote these?
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:27:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.230149.15097@wdl.loral.com>, trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort) writes:
> 
> In article <cf0JXni00WBK84NGlk@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Eleen N. Kamas" <ee2g+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> |> Someone suggested the following songs for the wedding song list that I
> |> maintain, but didn't know all the info I like to include.  So, could
> |> anyone help me out by identifying the artist/composer & album for the
> |> following two songs?
> |> 
> |> >Majesty (I don't know what version, just that it was quite the powerful
> |> >piano piece)
> |> >        this was played as the Recessional - very moving and appropriate
> |> > 
> 
>   Jack Heyford (sp?) yes, the pastor of The Church on the Way.

That song, "Majesty", is performed on one of Dino's albums.  Dino has the
gift of making the piano sound like an orchestra imho.

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From: euahbg@eua.ericsson.se (Hans Bengtsson)
Subject: Portrait of a Spirit - Scores?
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 07:43:45 GMT

A couple of months ago I got the "Portrait of a Spirit" CD from Pakaderm.
I know there were a few posts about it here, but I didn't pay any notice then
so please forgive me for posting this if it's already been discussed.

I really like that album and I wonder if anyone out there knows if
it is possible to obtain the arrangements, scores, notes or whatever you call
it in your strange language. You know what I mean, I want to play and sing
these songs with my friends!

Does anybody know if they are available at all and if so,
where should I turn?

I'm especially interested in "Take Up Your Cross" and "Thou Shalt Love".

Yours,
Hans Bengtsson 	Hans.Bengtsson@eua.ericsson.se
Ellemtel Telecommunication Systems Laboratories
Stockholm
Sweden


Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: math1rb@rosie.uh.edu (Dave "Dylan" Meyers)
Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
Summary:  Sorry to have to re-hash these subjects but its my duty to reply...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:11:00 GMT

In article <nestabro.721626208@nova>, nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook) writes...
>Okay, here's something that came up in our Bible study the other night.  We
>are to feed on things of God.  I think a serious question people need to ask
>themselves is, "do I read the word (or listen to Word-based music) as much
>as I read (or listen to) secular books/music.  God says we are to focus on
>the things that are of him.  I don't personally have a hard time if someone

People are of God. The music I've been talking about is about humanity. A lot
of the so called "rebellion" many on here criticize in the lyrics are
against the worldly trappings that typify our modern society. 

>pops on, say, some Kansas once in a great while, but when I go into a house
>and see scads of worldly books and music hanging around, and no evidence
>of Scripture and Sripturally based things, I have to wonder.  Wasn't it

Have to wonder what? What are Scripturally based things...artifiacts?
How do you decide what is worldly? I guess it depends on your
particular flavor of Christianity.....WHO decides....after all what
makes a "christian" song a "christian" song?

>Isaiah said something like "I will proclaim Him when I wake and go to
>sleep, when I stand up and when I sit down..." (paraphrase)?
> 
>--
>Noel Estabrook			|	Your religion is what you
>nestabro@nova.gmi.edu         --|--     do after the sermon is over.
>Instructional Design & Tech.    |     
>Michigan State University       |               Romans 12:2



BTW what do people think of U2?

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: rabanes@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Greg Rabanes)
Subject: Re: Step by Step
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:28:07 GMT


Hi,

 I don't think there are any verses to "Step by Step" :)
 The liner notes of "The World As Best As I Remember It, Volume 1" say:

 
 STEP BY STEP
 Words and Music by Beaker
 (Psalm 62)

 Oh God you are my God
 and I will ever praise You
 Oh God You are my God and I will ever
 praise You
 I will seek You in the morning
 And I will learn to walk in Your ways
 And step by step You'll lead me
 And I will follow You all of my days


 While the song "Step by Step" has no verses, the song "Sometimes by Step"
 which is on "The World As Best As I Remember It, Volume 2" does:


 SOMETIMES BY STEP
 Mullins/Beaker
 Psalm 63
 Genesis 15:5-6
 Hebrews 12:1-3

 Sometimes the night was beautiful
 Sometimes the sky was so far away
 Sometimes it seemed to steep so close
 you could touch it but your heart would break
 sometimes the morning came too soon
 sometimes the day can be so hot
 there was so much work left to do
 but so much you'd already done

 CHORUS
 Oh God, you are my God
 and I will ever praise You
 Oh God, You are my God
 and I will ever praise You
 I will seek you in the morning
 and I will learn to walk in Your ways
 and step by step You'll lead me
 an will follow You all of my days

 Sometimes I think of Abraham
 how one star he saw had been lit for me
 he was a stranger in this land
 and I am that, no less than he
 and on this road to righteousness
 sometimes the climb can be so steep
 I may falter in my steps
 but never beyond your reach

 REPEAT CHORUS

 and I will follow you all of my days
 and I will follow you all of my days
 and step by step you'll lead me
 and I will follow you all of my days

 and I will follow you all of my days...


Bye,
Greg

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: wai@socs.uts.edu.au (Wai Yat Wong)
Subject: Help with music selection for my wedding ceremony in the church?
Summary: subject says it all
Keywords: music church wedding
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 11 Nov 92 08:12:54 GMT

Greeting,

All you gentle men and women, I need your help.

I am getting married soon and I have a very hard time coming
up with a good selection of musics for my wedding ceremony in
the church. I am looking for joyous hymns or classical pieces
appropriate for the occasion. Well, I do not know any religious
song beside my favourite Ave Maria (by Bach or Schubert).

I am looking for delightful pieces both for singing or solo
instrumental ( the folks that will be playing for us are
experts on piano, flute, oboe, cello). The ones that I
collected from the hymn books are quite dense and overbearing.
There is one called " O perfect Love" that is semi-reasonable.
however, I am sure there are better selections out there and
your help will be most appreciated.

My email is wai@socs.uts.edu.au

--
( Wai Yat Wong          | School of Computing Sciences                  )
( Phone No. : 330-1841  | University of Technology, Sydney, NSW 2007    )
( Fax No.   : 330-1807  | wai@socs.uts.edu.au                           )
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: burtp@vccsouth20.its.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt)
Subject: Re: Pray For Rain: OPEN DISCUSSION
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:55:46 GMT

pray for rain???????

I thought only the Cure did that ;>

what is the group about?????
what sort of music????

"good" is not descriptive enough...

from the title - sounds like it could be nifty!!

later,
phil

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Subject: Re: who wrote these?
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:01:49 GMT

In article <cf0JXni00WBK84NGlk@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Eleen N. Kamas" <ee2g+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> Someone suggested the following songs for the wedding song list that I
|> maintain, but didn't know all the info I like to include.  So, could
|> anyone help me out by identifying the artist/composer & album for the
|> following two songs?
|> 
|> >Majesty (I don't know what version, just that it was quite the powerful
|> >piano piece)
|> >        this was played as the Recessional - very moving and appropriate
|> > 

  Jack Heyford (sp?) yes, the pastor of The Church on the Way.

-- Tim
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: hilliard@en.ecn.purdue.edu (William K Hilliard)
Subject: Step by Step
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 02:28:42 GMT

A while back, I purchased "The Singalong Songbook" which has the words and 
chords for some great Christian songs... unfortunately, for some reason on many
of the songs, they only put the choruses and not the verses.  The song I'm 
working on right now is "Step by Step," and I was wondering if any kind soul
would take pity on me and type the verses in??? (I believe Rich Mullins has a 
version of it out).

Thanks for your help!

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor)
Subject: Re: "We Will Stand" stolen by Clinton
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:32:35 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Lauren L. Crawford (crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu) wrote:
: In article <nauman.721404012@hq> nauman@Pt.hq.af.mil (Stratton D Nauman) writes:
: 
: >Is it Just me, Or did anyone else feel that this is the most offensive
: >thing you'd seen posted on R.M.C. in a long time?  The last thing
: >that I remember that upset me that much, was when the satanist posted
: >here a long time ago. :)
: 
: It may not be just you, but it sure isn't me.  I very much enjoyed Andy's
: posting.  I felt he was mocking the concept that God is a Republican,
: which an unfortunate number of Republicans believe.  And he used King
: James-speak to do it.  Nowhere in that post did I see even a hint of an
: attempt to discredit God, his laws, his love, his righteousness, his
: mercy, or any other aspect of his character.  

Agreed 100% - I find it equally disgusting to equate voting Republican
to voting "for God" and any other vote to be "anti-Christian".  I know
a lot of people I consider very strong Christians who vote Democratic
(or other) for a variety of reasons - many of them biblical.  Just because
George "I'm pro-choice until Pat Robertson endorses me" Bush claims
to speak for all Christians doesn't mean he does.  

The argument that we shouldn't vote for Clinton because he "advocates sin"
(which is questionable) implies that we shouldn't vote for anyone who
"advocates sin" - which pretty much rules out voting.  As Christians we
should vote our consience (note that is !my! consience, not Pat 
Robertson's) and do what we think is right as citizens of the U.S.A..
Not all Christians will agree in good consience, and that's OK.

: 
: 
: 
: -- 
: The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
: if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
: --------------------------------------------------------------------------
: Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu

Bob Taylor
HP Vancouver

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: stroup@aspen.ops.lmsc.lockheed.com ()
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Ban Certain Bands from this Pub...
Reply-To: stroup@aspen.ops.lmsc.lockheed.com ()
Organization: Lockheed Missiles And Space Co.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 19:22:55 GMT


O.K.  I can't stay out of this discussion any longer.  Since this is my first
posting to this group, I'll start by saying that I enjoy most types of music
(alright, I hate country) and I listen to what might be labeled "fringe"
christian music (yes, I started listening to Larry Norman in the early days
of christian rock).

On the whole question of whether certain type of music (or (heaven forbid) 
drums in church), I believe that music is amoral (except country, it's 
definitely evil ;)).  It doesn't make any difference whether it's loud or
quiet, whether it's in 3/4 or 4/4 or whether we play it on violins or
electric guitars!  What matters is what goes on in our heads when we listen
to it, who (or what) is glorified during it's performance, and whether it
draws us closer to the things of God, or to sin.

Judge music by its fruits, not our personal preferences!

There...I feel better already...

					judie
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: 6197110@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: re: Christmas Music recommendations
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 18:58:44 GMT

Last year I bought a tape called "Creole Christmas."  It has a bunch of
different groups singing some of the usual Christmas songs, but in the
styles of New Orleans.  There's some jazz, some blues, a GREAT (IMHO)
black gospel rendition of 'Go Tell it on the Mountain,' and ends up with
a choral version of 'O Holy Night' with a soloist.

Ramona
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: TANGENT Re: "We Will Stand" stolen by Clinton
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:24:01 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov12.210829.1490@samba.oit.unc.edu> Denes.House@launchpad.unc.edu (Denes House) writes:

>	People, people! Let's calm down a little here. Accusing each
>other of blasphemy and slander is hardly being "peacemakers", is it?
>Jesus prayed for us, saying that the way the world would know that He
>was sent by God is if we were one. Brothers should not sling accusations
>like this. The Devil accuses us; why should we do his work for him?
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What a great reminder, not only for this discussion but for all kinds of
other areas, too.  

Thanks!

  

-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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From: dharker@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (David Harker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Pray For Rain: OPEN DISCUSSION
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:15:02 GMT
Reply-To: dharker@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Rochester
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM


In article <1992Nov11.155642.8637@iscsvax.uni.edu>, marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
|> 
|> I've been listening to the Pray For Rain CD, and both me and my guitarrist have 
|> loved this album ever since we started to listen to them.  It almost has a
|> Beatle-esque sound to it at times.  The bass player is fantastic and he keeps
|> your interest (I play bass myself).  Also the lyrics are full of meaning!  
|> 
|> So, what does everyone else think of this album, Pray For Rain's musicians, or
|> whatever!
|> 

Well, I had never heard of them until 2 weeks ago. 
Last Wednesday, the 4th, I saw them in concert at a Junior High school 
here in Rochester.  I went on a lark - a friend had free tickets.
I loved it, bought their CD, and I must say, if you like the CD, see
them in concert - the concert was far better!

They are superb - I play guitar and sing, and
was very impressed by all three of them.  I talked to the man who
organized the concert, and learned a brief history of the band:

They are ages 20, 20 and 25 years (lead singer/guitarist = 25).
They met/started (?) at Camp Shamineau, a church camp I attended 
a lot as a kid (owned by Evangelical Free Church of America).

The 'New Union', a Christian club in Minneapolis, has a "Battle of the Bands"
contest, which Pray For Rain won.  Because they won the contest,
they got to open for Steve Camp in his Minneapolis concert.
A guy who knows Brown Bannister (one of the biggest producers/songwriters
in the Christian music business) heard them, arranged for them to 
play for Bannister.  He quickly became Executive Producer of their CD.
(He has produced lots of Amy Grant stuff, etc).

I am very impressed with the quality of the lyrics - some are very profound
(they write their own music/lyrics).
I also enjoyed the music - good, hard, creative rock.  They jam great.
Their spiritual sincerity was obvious - both on-stage and off.
After the concert they were out mingling with the kids (mainly
junior-high - this was an evangelistic event), acting like
totally normal people.  The only negative was the shortness of the
concert - barely 90 minutes.  But, they only have so much material...

See them if you can!


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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: bfinney@nyx.cs.du.edu (Brody Finney)
Subject: Betrayal 99cent tape??
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 02:43:27 GMT


Has anyone actually seen the Betrayal cassette sampler?  True Tunes said
they had them but sold out.  I geuss the local bookstore never got any, 
since I still have never spotted one.  Any info on where I can find one
would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

Brody

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mwalls@nmsu.edu (Commander Keen)
Subject: Re: VECTOR: Where are they now?
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:53:42 GMT

Vector (to my knowledge) is no more.  However, 2 members of the group
I can give you info on.

Jimmy A. & Charlie Peacock.  I know that Jimmy A. was with Vector, and
I'm almost certain that Charlie Peacock was with them too.  I saw &
met Jimmy A after a Rich Mullins concert in El Paso, TX, where he
played with avenue G, Jeff Sack & Rich Mullins.  His music has a style
VERY similar to Vector's.

As for Charlie Peacock, everyone knows about him.

Craig
mwalls@NMSU.Edu
miwalls@NMSU.Edu