From: susher@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 6 Oct 92 09:16:09 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <david.02yv@ariane.cam.org>, david@ariane.cam.org (David Lebel) writes:
> In article <u894776.717808655@bruny> u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull) writes:

[Stuff deleted]

> 
>    Awkward?   GEM  doesn't  even allow two simultaneous windows of the same
> drive in the same time without useing third-parties solutions (like NeoDesk
> or  NewDesk).   Workbench is one of the most friendly interface and is easy
> to  use.   Not as easy as the Mac's Finder, but it doesn't hide you as much
> as  Finder.   Gadtools.library help uniform software interfaces and provide
> generic tools to the programmers.  Where can I buy a "style-guide" book for
> the  ST/Falcons?  At least, Commodore has done something on this field, and
> the  RKM  series is one of the most comprehensive and useful computer-brand
> specific  availables (and I've saw many of them).  Inside Macintosh doesn't
> even  compare; they are all messed up, topics are merely assembled together
> and  you  almost have to browse all seven to find a particular information.
> Multi-platform programmers will understand me here.

The current versions of GEM do allow multiple windows on the same drive, you
are talking of the old versions. GEM is getting rather like the Mac finder. I
agree, there is very little in the way of style guides for the ST[e]/TT/Falcon,
but most of it SHOULD be common sense, pitty many programmers don't have it
isn't it!

> 
>    Intuition  is  awkward?  Have you ever programmed an Amiga in your silly
> life?   Sure not.  Programming a user interface with it is a piece of cake.
> You just create the windows, the gadgets, the menus, then wait for messages
> regarding them from Intuition.  On the Macintosh, you must check everything
> yourself.    There's   no   GADGETUP  on  the  Macintosh.   You  receive  a
> mouse-click;  find  where  the  user  clicked, highlight the gadget, and do
> whatever  you have to do with it.  Chance most compiler comes with toolkits
> already made to ease the programmer's life.  However, all this dumb code is
> linked  into the program itself.  Never wonder why they have so much memory
> needs?

I agree, mostly. AmigaDOS is easy to program, Intuition, from what I've heard
is quite simple. On the Atari's TOS is also simple, it's only when you get into
the realms of GEM do things go awol!

> 
>    Forget Amiga OS 1.3.  It's no longer supported by Commodore.  2.0 is out
> since more than 1 year and an half now.
> 

I mirror the sentiment... Forget TOS/GEM 1.XX they are dead and buried. TOS
[23].XX is out now and TOS 4.XX is arriving with the Falcon. Atari does seem to
have started to listen at last, TOS/GEM 4.XX will have a 3D-look, will be fully
pre-emptively multitasking etc etc etc. It's just a pitty that it took so long.
Whatever you say.. our machines, the alternative machines, are far better than
any of those crippled IBM PC clowns running MSDOS or OS/2 (half an OS).

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Steve

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