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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: What Was BRILLIANT in "Rascals."
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:28:09 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <BxGqB9.CsF@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
>     The script doesn't do more than lipservice to Picard's delima
>     as a 12 year old.  We see him agonizing over what to do should
>     the condition be permanent - go back to the Academy, pursue
>     archaeology - but by the start of the Ferengi attack, he's
>     dutifully pursuing some kind of study appropriate to a 12 
>     year old with a 50 year old intellect.  

Actually, I thought that the talk about Picard's dilemma was the most
interesting, though to really have had an impact they would have had to
have followed through on it.  Which, of course, they couldn't do.

[Scott also disliked the Keiko part.]
>     Ro is far more insteresting, and it's mostly her that makes the
>     episode worthwhile for me.  Others have pointed out in the past
>     couple of days what good actors - in general - the kids were.
>     They believed they were watching Picard, Ro, Guinan.  (Young
>     Keiko was _okay_.  Keiko herself doesn't have much in the 
>     way of personality - though I like what's there - so it's hard
>     to make the leap of faith).

Eh; I found the Ro part to be the least interesting of the three, the one
which most seemed like "lip service" to me.  I would rather have seen
Guinan interacting with Picard than with Ro.

>     In the final analysis, "Rascals" feels like a spoof-with-a-serious-
>     heart of some horrible TOS episodes like "Gallileo 7," "Wink of
>     an Eye," "By Any Other Name," and "Day of the Dove."

I would rate "The Galileo Seven" and "The Day Of The Dove" as much better
episodes than this one (indeed, I felt the former was a good episode, and the
latter a very good-to-great one).  As for the other two, it's a close call.
Except for the "It's green" line from "By Any Other Name", I think I'd
agree with you that "Rascals" was better.  But not by a whole lot.

>							   But the
>     characters are strong enough to carry "Rascals" above this mess
>     of cross-symbolism and make it a worthwhile revisit of Cheese
>     Sci-Fi.  Let's just not have them over again soon, okay?

But did you see next week's preview? :-) :-)

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"Go?  Where are we going?"
"Where they went."
"Suppose they went nowhere?"
"Then, this will be your big chance to get away from it all."
			- McCoy and Kirk; Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan
Organization: Freshman, Drama, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:47:48 -0500 
From: Michael Seth Rostker <mr5m+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Why is Data so limited?

Recall in "Brothers" that Data's brother had a switch implanted in his
thumb which he used to activate his transporter. You would have thought
that all he would have to do is think about it (that is, that the switch
would be connected to his brain). The concern that this would make him
to unhuman (?) is irrelevent; Lore doesn't care about being human. But I
suppose that doesn't make for very good drama.
From: rick.mcbride@the-matrix.com (Rick Mcbride) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "rascals" really real
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:41:00 GMT
Distribution: world
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Reply-To: rick.mcbride@the-matrix.com (Rick Mcbride) 

as Matt J. Martin muttered incoherently to All on 11-05-92  19:38...

 MJM> By the way, two Birds of Prey (each with a crew of 12), I don't care
 MJM> how surprising they were, should be no match for the Big E.  Worf


Welll, Worf did say "Two Klingon Birds of Prey, *FILLINTHEBLANK* Class."
I think that probably means that they were a bit advanced over the movie
era ships.. of course the footage was of the elongated "Cavort-class"
battlecruisers from "Yesterday's Enterprise", with the Enterprise C and
the time-rift removed, but those were just computer altered BOP's
anyway...not to scale w/ E-D. The only new Klingon model for TNG is the
Battle Cruiser seen in Redemption and others...Anyhow, my point is that
the BOPs in the episode were probably _not_ the same as the ones in the
movies...

-=.\=-

... (A)bort, (R)etry, (S)mack Wesley upside the head!
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From: techy@iastate.edu (Technobabblonian)
Subject: Doohan vs Shatner
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:25:12 GMT

Well..  i went to see Doohan (again) Sunday at one of the worst cons ever...
and practically all he had to say was things blasting Shatner.  I too
laughed when he talked about the possibility of Star Trek VII... he said
as long as Shatner doesn't write it would be ok. ::grin::  He said a lot
of other things hinting about his distaste at Shatner... but he never came 
right out and said "Bill"... he just said stuff like "you know who..." etc.
Also.. I noticed that Doohan was rather caught up in himself that evening...
If I was an actor... I would pick my favorite scenes from the show that I
really liked--not necessarily only the scenes that *I* was in.  Although 
the way people phrased their questions I suppose he could think that they
asked about the scenes he was in.

    People also asked him stuff about TNG... and he confessed that he had
only watched about 4 episodes... but people kept asking him why so-and-so
did this is the epidoe -whatever-... people just wouldnt get the hint.

     There was also a guy who stood up and said something to the effect of:
What if a negative space wedgie ripped a whole in the space-time continuim
and created a portal into an alternate universe... then could the rest of
the TOS cast be in TNG?"  I just groaned.

     He was asked if Scotty would appear in TNG smore...   to which he replied
"Well, you know.. uh.. Scotty's floating around up there... there's no reason
why he can't show up on the ENTERPRISE or even Deep Space Nine.  So.. who 
knows. :D

Also, he said he was going to record Relics (book on tape) on December 10th.

-- 
-Troy Rutter        |The future, always so clear to me had become like
Project Vincent     |a black highway at night.  We were in uncharted
____________________|territory now, making up future as we went along.
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From: Mel Walker <mwalker@novell.com>
Subject: Re: Clinton won!
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A71E9BCB68021E08@mwalker.npd.provo.novell.com>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 5 Nov 92 16:37:15 GMT
Organization: Society for Anarchic Totalitarianism
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:37:35 GMT

In article <168951372E.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> ,
YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>>You bet.  This talk of the real world has nothing to do with Star
>>Trek.
>>
>>--
>   WHAT?  You mean to tell me that Trek is NOT the REAL WORLD?!!!

Not for another few centuries, at least.

--Mel Walker
mwalker@novell.com
Disclaimer: Some Martians landed and stole my opinions. So if these
opinions sound like they're coming from Mars, that's why.
From: mark.lindsay@the-matrix.com (Mark Lindsay) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Trekkies vs. Trekkers
Date: 13 Nov 92 11:33:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: mark.lindsay@the-matrix.com (Mark Lindsay) 

|Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
|From: flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip D. Russell)
|Subject: Re: Trekkies vs. Trekkers
|Message-ID: <BxLF38.L1n@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
|Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:49:55 GMT

|In article <1dkdfpINNm4d@cs.widener.edu> SBARNETT@tattoo.cs.widener.edu (Scott
|arnett) writes:
|>Hi Everyone,
|>   I am currently writing an ethnography for my Anthropology class and would
|>be gratefull if some could answer a question for me.  What is the difference
|>between a Trekkie and a Trekker?  Thanks.
|>

|Trekkie Someone who likes Star Trek

|Trekker Someone who worships Star Trek


Personally, though I prefer the name trekker, I don't mind being called
a trekkie.  I figure if a fan gets to the point where he argues what
he's going to be called, he's already gone too far.  Call me either,
I don't care.


 * SLMR 2.1a *  I doubt any God who inflicts pain for his own pleasure.
                                                                                                                    
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From: bwallet@apssgi.nswc.navy.mil (Brad Wallet)
Subject: Re: Romper Room Trek Review
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:11:17 GMT

Why did the young Picard have an English accent instead of a French one?
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From: ins314l@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Justin Keene)
Subject: Request: NG Episode Lists
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:25:54 GMT


	Could some nice trekkie fan please post me the complete episode lists
for The Next Generation??  I need at least up to the end of last season.
I also need a summary of all the episodes that lead up to 'Unification'.

Okay, explanation time!  'Unification' is about to be released here in
Australia on video.  The problem with this is that only about 27 other episodes
are on video, and they cover bit's and pieces up to the third season (I think!)
The other source of The Next Generation is from one of our main TV network, yet
they play them in a random order. (ARGH! You just can't win!)

Now being only a part-time trekkie, I want to be able to at least gather
enough info so as to be able to make some sense out of 'Unification'. And since
I also work part-time in a Video store, I would like to be able to present the
lead-up summaries to the customer (that way the staff don't get blamed for the
gaps in the story-line)

I hope that makes sense, and that somebody will be able to help me!

Please E-Mail me directly to :	glitch@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Thanks in advance,
		   Justin
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From: mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN)
Subject: Re: Guinan
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 05:28:44 GMT

In article <73789@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.171451.19647@ncsu.edu> cfmcgarr@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER F MCGARRAH) writes:
>
>>Just a curiosity.  Is it possible that Guinan is a Time Lord from the
>>Dr. Who series?
>
>Hey!  You're right!  And maybe her hat is her Tardis!!!
>
>Why didn't anyone think of that before????
>


Oh, they did.  In between the parts of "Time's Arrow" there
was a huge number of letters drifting back and forth
from rec.arts.drwho and here about whether or not Guinan
was a timelord.  What started it was when Guinan mentioned
her grandfather or some such in "Time's Arrow Pt.1" and
that reminded everyone of Susan.  

Marc Wasserman
mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu


-- 
"So you're choosing to run from your own people in a rackety old TARDIS?"
		     D  O  C  T  O  R     W  H  O
				30 Years
"Why not?  After all, that's how it all started!"
From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Rascals *SPOILERS*...DETTC
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:03:35 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <6837@news.duke.edu> dkelly@bio2.acpub.duke.edu (Dianne Kelly) writes:
>
>	For those of you who have been complaining that Molly O'Brien looked
>four years old... it's painfully obvious that none of you spend any time
>with young children. The actress they got was IMHO around two years old.
>I say this because I have a niece who just turned three, and she's _much_
>bigger than "Molly". The simple fact is that kids get big FAST!
>
>	It is true, however, that Molly should only be at around 12 or 18
>months, given the show's chronology. But maybe it's difficult to find
>half-Asian actresses of the appropriate age?

	Or maybe they've realized the same thing every other TV show (except
one) has - there just isn't that much you can DO with a baby.  So, the years
go by QUICK.

						-Jay
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Rascals (SPOILERS ABOUND!)
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:01:53 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov5.182116.1@vax1.umkc.edu>, dprebyl@vax1.umkc.edu writes:

> Anyway I am willing to entertain suggestions on how they could of taken over
> the ship so quicly.

The Ferengi hailed the Enterprise and said "Candygram for Jean-Luc" and he
let them on board.

Terry
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"There should have been only one. I want my money back!"  - Terry
From: Rob_Legault@mindlink.bc.ca (Rob Legault)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Paramount Press Release: #235 - The Quality of Life
Date: 11 Nov 92 03:54:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: mindlink.17340
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

Does anyone know where I could get a copy of the above info for
all STNG episodes?  Back to the first season of course!

--
 Rob Legault (Internet/Usenet ID: Rob_Legault@mindlink.bc.ca)
 Delta, British Columbia
 Canada
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From: myempire@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matt J. Martin)
Subject: Re: Stupid Ferengi? (was: Re: "Rascals" Really Really Sucked!!!)
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:07:38 GMT

In article <1dmev9INNhj3@gap.caltech.edu> thogek@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas G. Kiefer) writes:
>Some minor "Rascals" spoilers lie below...

>
>...Isn't
>is POSSIBLE that there is a humanoid (aren't they all humanoid?) race out
>there with a LOWER (on average?) intellignce level than humans?  Why not?
>And what would happen if this race became aware of all the spacefaring
>races out there, wanted to become one of them NOW (impatient, not wanting
>to appear stupid or inferior, and not wanting to wait to develop and/or
>figure it out themselves), and happened to stumble across, inherit, or
>chance to buy or steal the technology required to do it?  Then, once out
>there, they MIGHT greedily vy for as much power and position as they can
>get among the races, possibly over-trying to compensate for their innately
>inferior intelligence.
>
  I have no problem with the ST writers creating a species that embodies the
"bad" characteristics of humanity if they do it to prove a point.  But that's
not what's going on here.  The Ferengi are cosistently viewed with scorn,
contempt, mockery, self-ritiousness, and arrogance.  The writers have done
what ole' Gene tried to avoid.  

>Another thought: what if humans, barely out of the ape-stages and starting
>to look and act like what we might consider humans, stumbled across such a
>technology and suddenly found themselves able to race among the stars and
>other races.  MIGHTn't at least SOME of these humans be ever-greedy, power-
>seeking, and necessarily less intelligent than their new neighbors,
>something like how we see the Ferengi?
>
 Cro-Magnon would simply be incapable of conprehending, as are most people 
today, the INCREDIBLE amounts of energy that are necessary for interstellar
flight.  They would destroy themselves before they got halfway to Alpha-
Centauri.

>So what's wrong with addressing/illustrating this?
>
  Nothing, as long as we don't get cocky.


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From: v090mffy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Rich aka Dead Security)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Random thoughts on Rascals *SPOILERS*
Keywords: Rascals
Date: 7 Nov 92 05:34:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Spoiler for "Rascals"

	I thought that the episode was good excepting the technobable and the
dumb Ferengi. I thought all the kids did a great job playing their adult 
counterparts. The scene with the young Picard whining to the Ferengi was a 
classic.
	I don't know if anyone else realized this but the didn't the actor 
who played the young Picard play his nephew in "Family". If so this was good
casting as was the casting of young Guinan.

	Until then,

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From: keene@apache.dtcc.edu (Michael Keene)
Subject: Re: Some DS9 info requested  *SPOILERS*
Organization: Delaware Technical & Community College
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:16:40 GMT

In article <BxCu34.JD0@news.iastate.edu> fils@iastate.edu (Douglas R Fils) writes:

>I particularly interested in what the basis of the cross-over
>story between the TNG and DS 9 is to be.
>

Not much of one for the premiere episode.  The Enterprise visits the station
to deposit O'Brien and his family.  Picard meets with Sisko near the
beginning and at the end.

BTW: The episode is titled "Emissary" and it looks pretty good.  I have a
copy of the script.  

- Michael Keene
keene@apache.dtcc.edu
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Shatner Script
Date: 7 Nov 92 21:24:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


>October 9th, 1992 "Marilyn Beck's Hollywood" syndicated newspaper article:

>A BOLD NEW JOURNEY: Expect the next "Star Trek" movie to feature both the
>original cast and the headliners from "Star Trek: The Next Generation."
>Paramount brass have not as yet settled on a "ST VII" story -- there are
>several in contention including a WILLIAM SHATNER submission that focuses
>on a romance for his aging Capt. Kirk character and a young lovely. However,
>the sentiment among Paramount's r-e-a-l-l-y important powers calls for "Star
>Trek VII" to be the time for the passing of the baton from the tried and tired
>to the fresh and forceful who now guide the good ship Enterprise from TV
>segment to segment.
>  --- end of quote ---

>Looking at that "tried and tired" line makes me ask, "Does anyone know the
>age difference between Shatner and Stewart?"

     Shatner is in his mid-to-late 60s.  Stewart is in his
     early-to-mid 40s.  Believe it.


                 "It's about time somebody took  rape
                  And molestation  away from the talk
                  Show Circuit and put it back in our
                  Nightmares, where it  b e l o n g s."
                      -Buffalo News Critic Jeff Simon  
                       ______________in his review of
                       TWIN PEAKS - FIRE WALK WITH ME.
                                         Scott Gorcey.
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Paramount Press Release: #235 - The Quality of Life
Date: 13 Nov 92 06:02:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: vidiot.4427
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <17340@mindlink.bc.ca> Rob_Legault@mindlink.bc.ca (Rob Legault) writes:
<Does anyone know where I could get a copy of the above info for
<all STNG episodes?  Back to the first season of course!

Ya, you get a copy of Tim Lynch and my ST:TNG Program Guide.  All of the PR
info and lots, lots, more.
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From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Rascals and Picard's Heart
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:15:50 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1992Nov9.232729.17286@husc3.harvard.edu> silvers3@husc11.harvard.edu (Jolyon Silversmith) writes:
>Wait a minute.
>
>It's already well-established that Picard has an artificial heart (ie,
>"Samaritan Snare." I don't care what the technobabble explanation for the
>crew getting younger is; if it's an artificial heart (ie, not organic) it
>could not have its RNA/RVN vanish to make it younger! Yes, its YATI time -
>if logic was applicable to this episode, Picard should be dead (or at
>least writhing on the floor of heart failure as it is now too large for his
>body cavity and has displaced several vital organs)...

	It's been a while since I've seen Samaritan Snare, but mightn't it be
possible that by "artificial" they only mean "not the one Picard was born
with?"  It could quite possibly be a cloned or donated heart.

					-Jay
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A Lament.  A big damned Lament.
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:45:29 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov5.203043.28710@EE.Stanford.EDU>, bill@isl.Stanford.EDU (Bill Moore) writes:

> In article <9172@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) writes:

>>> 	This episode was one of the worst of all time.  

>>Just wait until next week when it will be the second worst of all time.

>>The week after that, it will be the third worst.

> Gee, if the show stays on the air long enough, it'll eventually
> be a *great* episode, huh? 

Oh, yea!  How do you think the Original Series got to be so GOOD! ;-)

> PS She says Geordi is on "reading Rainbow," a PBS kids show

I've seen "Geordi" on some Canadian TV shows doing "scientific" things to
attract kids interest in science.

Terry


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