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From: kyle@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: Running groups/trails in Davis?
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School
Distribution: ca
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:54:58 PST

In article <20771@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, fzsaler@othello.ucdavis.edu (Michael T. Saler) writes:
> 
>  I have recently moved to Davis, and was wondering if there
> were any running groups in the area, as well as good
> trails or places to run.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike

I was up at ucdavis about 4 weeks ago.  I got in my running on the 
loop that surrounds Putah creek in the middle of the campus.  I very 
scenic route with hill and soft asphalt and some dirt for the most 
part.  The only bad part of the trail is when it gets too close to the 
water which is stagnant and smells horrible.  There were plenty of 
runners on the trail, so you might be able to talk to them about any 
groups.

Also, does anybody at UCDAVIS know the distance of the loop.  I'm 
guessing from my time that it is around 3 miles, but I'm not sure if 
I'm even close because I'm not used to air you can't see.

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From: page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Thomas Page)
Subject: Re: Boston Qualifying Times
Keywords: Boston Marathon
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 18:07:53 GMT

This is found in this news group`s faq posting.

Boston Marathon
==================
The Boston Marathon is held on Patriots day (3rd monday in April).
Starting time: Noon Boston Marathon qualifying times.  (Jack Berkery
berkery@crdgw2.crd.ge.com)

        Boston Athletic Association Boston Marathon
        P.O. Box 1992
        Hopkington, MA 01748

 Age   Men   Women
18-34  3:10  3:40
35-39  3:15  3:45
40-44  3:20  3:50
45-49  3:25  3:55
50-54  3:30  4:00
55-59  3:35  4:05
60-64  3:40  4:10
65-69  3:45  4:15
70+    3:50  4:20


-- 
-----------------------------		-------------------------------
Thomas W. Page, Jr.			email:   page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu
3531 Boelter Hall			day:     310 206-8696
Department of Computer Science		evening: 310 398-1830
University of California
Los Angeles, 90024-1596
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From: yserrano@us.oracle.com (Yonson Serrano)
Subject: Boston Marathon qualifying times  
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA 94065
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:30:30 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

From the most current version of the FAQ.
New FAQ coming out this weekend.

Boston Marathon
==================
The Boston Marathon is held on Patriots day (3rd monday in April).
Starting time: Noon Boston Marathon qualifying times.  (Jack Berkery
berkery@crdgw2.crd.ge.com)

        Boston Athletic Association Boston Marathon
	P.O. Box 1993
	Hopkington, MA 01748
	(Entries must be received by March 8, 1993)

	Tel: 508-435-6905
	Fax: 508-435-6590

 Age   Men   Women                Wheelchair Divison
18-34  3:10  3:40                 CLASS            MEN      WOMEN
35-39  3:15  3:45                 1 (Quad Class)   3:00     3:10
40-44  3:20  3:50                 2-5              2:10     2:35
45-49  3:25  3:55
50-54  3:30  4:00
55-59  3:35  4:05
60-64  3:40  4:10
65-69  3:45  4:15
70+    3:50  4:20

Note: Your qualifying time is based upon your age on the day of the
Boston Marathon, April 19, 1993. Example: You run a qualifying race at
the age of 44 in 3:22. You then have a birthday before the Boston
Marathon, making you 45. You qualify, because your required
qualification time is 3:25.

Your qualification race must be run between 1/1/92 and 3/8/93

-- 
                              Yonson Serrano
                          yserrano@us.oracle.com

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From: oysteing@garm.idt.unit.no (Oystein Groevlen)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Weight Loss Diet with Running?
Date: 8 Jan 93 08:38:18 GMT
	<2780@grivel.une.edu.au> <1993Jan7.033552.29460@mcs.kent.edu>
Organization: Div. of CS & Telematics, Norwegian Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan7.033552.29460@mcs.kent.edu> sscott@mcs.kent.edu (Stephen Scott) writes:
>   One could always alternate sports.  If you can't swim - just think of
>   the energy (calories) expended while trying to keep from sinking to
>   the bottom of the pool.  :)

I  don't  changing  to  another  sport  would necessarily  cause  more
calories to be burnt during a workout.

Cross-country skiing, swimming,  and squash  are  sports in which many
different groups of muscles  are used.   However, if you  don't have a
fairly good  technique,  these sports are not that effective.  For how
long do you think you will be able struggle not to sink before you get
too  tired?  I guess, people unfamiliar with cross-country skiing will
not be able to keep on for many minutes before being to tired. And you
don't burn many calories playing squash if you spend most of the  time
picking up the ball.

That is the good part about running. Everyone has the technique needed
to do a decent workout.

--
Oystein Groevlen 
Division of Computer Systems and Telematics
The Norwegian Institute of Technology
The University of Trondheim
Email: oysteing@idt.unit.no
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: robertd@ecs.comm.mot.com (Robert Day)
Subject: Re:    Orthotics question
Organization: control_centers
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:02:48 GMT
Keywords: 
   

>My question: Do orthotics fit in all shoes? I pronate and tend to wear anti-
>pronation shoes (Avia 2050's). I don't know if the orthotics have anything
>to do with the type of shoes that you wear or if they compensate for the
>pronation and make "special" shoes unnecessary.

When I got my orthotics (about 9 years ago), my doctor told me to 
look for shoes with the curved last on the bottom.  At the time,
the Nike Pegasus (Air) was the only shoe (in my price range) that 
had this.  Since then I haven't worried about this too much.  I do
usually look for shoes with the removeable insert, but I see that 
someone suggested just cutting out the insert under the pedstal of the 
orthotic.  I'll have to try that...


Rob
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From: page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Thomas Page)
Subject: Re: Ankle Sprains
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 16:51:22 GMT

In my experience, most doctors and most runners don't take severe ankle sprains
seriously enough.  With most sprains, you partially tear ligaments.  If you go
back to walking on it too soon, and even worse running on it, the ligament heals
back longer than it was.  This means the joint is looser, and more prone to
rolling over in the future.  Severe sprains take six weeks to heal.  Running on
them before that dooms you to more sprains in the future.  The best treatment
is to put the ankle in a cast with the foot held in a position such that the
ligament heals back the right length.  However, most doctors take the attitude
of no break, no cast.

I had a series of sprains which were taken too lightly.  Then I had a major one
that completely severed the ligament on the outside of the ankle.  I was given
the choice of surgery or physical therapy.  I chose to avoid the knife.  That
ankle is now fine for running.  It is stable front to back but completely floppy
side to side.  It rolls over easily, but since the ligament is gone, there is
no pain; I just fall.  Sometimes I fall down just talking to someone; I shift
my weight, the ankle rolls over, and down I go.  If I wanted to continue playing
basketball, I would have had to have the surgery, but running is enough for me
at this point in my life.

So, try to talk the doctor into casting a sprained ankle.  If you can't, follow
the R.I.C.E religiosly and use your crutches; no weight at all on it for a couple
weeks at least.  And then, don't try to go back to running on it for 6 weeks.
-- 
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Thomas W. Page, Jr.			email:   page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu
3531 Boelter Hall			day:     310 206-8696
Department of Computer Science	
University of California
Los Angeles, 90024-1596
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: theisen@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu
Subject: Getting Old
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:28:11 GMT
Organization: Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Iowa

	
	I just turned 30 and have a question for older runners, or anyone
who might know.

	  At what age will my body start falling apart?
	  (this is assuming i maintain a good level of fitness until i die)

	Let me clarify this just a little first.....  I know there are
many cases of runners performing well in their mid to late 30's etc. But 
there aren't any 50 or 70 year-olds out setting world records (excluding
age group records) in the 100m or 1500m  etc.  So at about what age
does being able to perform start to decline and why?  And at what age
do you lose your 100m speed? 
(is it something to do with vascularization of the bones???)
	just curious.		- t.
From: fzsaler@othello.ucdavis.edu (Michael T. Saler)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Running groups/trails in Davis?
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:52:49 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis
Originator: fzsaler@othello.ucdavis.edu


 I have recently moved to Davis, and was wondering if there
were any running groups in the area, as well as good
trails or places to run.

Thanks,
Mike
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: kpapai@rahul.net (Ken Papai)
Subject: Re: Weight Loss Diet with Running?
Organization: a2i network
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:32:12 GMT

rns@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Rick Schubert) writes:
>stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:

>> Well be prepared for the 5-10 year "surprise".  With time one's metabolism
>> can become very efficient at a given task.  The first five years it was
>> easy to keep weight off.  Afterwards I had to watch my diet again.  The
>> standard metabolic rate for running is given as .75 kcal per pound per mi. 
>> I've estimated my rate at about .5 kcal after 16 years of running. 
>How have you made that estimate?  Unless you've made laboratory measurements
>or have conducted a very carefully-conducted experiment, I don't see how you
>can come up with such a figure (but I'm willing to be convinced).
>Also, the "standard" metabolic rate I've always heard is 0.67 kcal/lb/mile
>(100 kcal per mile for a 150 lb. person).

There's also the metric maxim: 1.0 kcal/kg/km, which I think is a bit
optimistic about burning lots of calories.

Anyway, all of these things are rough guesses, however all runners will
begin to burn fewer and fewer calories per mile because they become more
experienced: as in more efficient, less wasted, flailing effort, smooth
strides, no waggling or head-bobbing, arms nicely positioned, and reduced
levels of breathing at even faster paces.

Speed does factor into the equation per mile, but very little, but all
runners are more or less efficient at different speeds thus raising or
lowering the distance coefficient.

However, going from .75 kcal/lb/mi to .50 seems awfully drastic.
This would be a great study, but a very long term one.
 
-- 
Ken Papai <kpapai@rahul.net>
From: miked@col.hp.com (Mike Dotseth)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Ankle Sprains
Date: 5 Jan 1993 18:23:34 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hplsdde.col.hp.com

   A simple but effective exercise for the ankles will help in greatly
reducing your chances of ankle sprains. The exercise:

   Stand with feet in normal standing position. Place a hand on a wall
   or a railing for a little balance. Now, 'roll' your feet around on
   their 'outer edges'. Repeat 50 times.
   ('Rolling on the outer edges' means to tilt your feet as far outward
   and inward (supination and pronation) as possible but inbetween
   rock forward on your the balls of your feet and back on your heels.)
   The major benefit is the stretching and strengthening on the muscles and
   tendons which keep your foot stable as you run.

  If I am fairly consistent with this exercise, instead of rolling my ankle
and spraining it when I run, if I hit an uneven surface, my foot will roll
out, but since it is stretched it can go farther and since it is strengthened
it can pull back up easier, and I hardly ever sprain an ankle any more.

Mike Dotseth      "WOW FUN WOW"
     /_           "They call me Lucky. The harder I work, the luckier I get!"
      |              - Kenton Finanger (Luther College Cross Country Coach)
     / >          "There is no finish line...................................
miked@col.hp.com  (Colorado Springs, Colorado)
From: rel@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Hip Pain Help Required
Date: 11 Jan 93 09:05:13 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Fellow runners,

I have been running for some time and have had numerous injuries associated
with running (shin splints, knee problems) but last week I was doing my last
training for a local triathalon when during the run (about 8km) my hip was
hurting. There was a sharp pain on or around the top of my right the thigh bone
, this
pain was quite bad the next day (stiffening up?) but went away by the following
day, I didn't do any more running, biking or swimming untill yesterdays tri and
at about the 5km mark the pain came back. I have no pain biking when the hip is
sore but I have never ever had this injury before.

The current shoes I am using have not coused the problem before.

Any ideas what it might be and how to prevent it happening on a regular basis?

Any comment welcomed...

Thanx in advance...


Rob.
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: adil@austin.ibm.com (Adil Soofi)
Subject: knee ligament injury 
Originator: adil@vijay.austin.ibm.com
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:33:08 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin


I am getting back into running after a very bad skiing accident in which I
injured the inner ligaments of both my knees (MCLs). Uptil now I have tried 
short distance (<1mile) runs. My knees are a little sore afterwards. I am
afraid of doing longer distances in fear that I may damage my knees further.

Any comments from rec.running?

-- 
Adil Khan Soofi		IBM Software Consultant. Austin, Texas
adil@austin.ibm.com	(512) 823.9388
[Opinions expressed in this article are entirely my own.]
From: rns@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Rick Schubert)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: The Self Coached Runner
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:01:47 GMT
Organization: NCR Corp., Network Products - San Diego

In <1993Jan8.151429.1364@linus.mitre.org> dhartge@mitre.org (Duane Hartge) writes:

>Don't put too much stock in the "required" times in this book.  I've always
>found them to be much to conservative (i.e. you can run much better 5 and 10K
>races than the book says based upon the shorter interval times).  For example,
>I was under 43 minutes (10K) well before I could run a 6:15 mile.  I also know
>several people who easily did my training pace at the time, who couldn't get
>under 48 minutes.  The real problem is mental (at least at those kind of
>times).

The real problem may be mental, but it's also very likely due to differences
between people.  People who are naturally better at shorter distances are
going to find a 6:15 mile much easier than a 43-minute 10K, and people
naturally better at longer distances are going to find the 43-minute 10K
easier.  As far as training pace is concerned, some people train much
closer to race pace than others.  I'm not sure what the reason is, but
one reason could be those individual differences, or it could be based
on the rest of their training schedule -- you and your friends may be able
to do the same training run at the same pace, but you may be doing more
distance work or speedwork outside of those runs.

-- Rick Schubert (rick.schubert@SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM)

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From: dvfreese@freese.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Doug Freese)
Subject: Re: Using weights on runs
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 01:42:21 GMT
Organization: IBM Corp. Kingston NY

In article <8JAN199315000684@vax2.concordia.ca> wes@vax2.concordia.ca (Wes Schyngera) writes:
>How good of an idea is it to use small hand weights on runs? Would
>they not be good for speed training? After all, swimmers use similar            strategies to make them go faster on race days. Anyone out there
>use this technique?
NO NO and NO! The act of running all by its lonesome puts enough stress 
on your joints, specifically the knees.  This will only lead to        
big time problems. The last person I knew that ran with weights
wore all the cartilege from his knees and can't run a step.  
>
>-----
>Wes Schyngera
>Concordia University
>wes@vax2.concordia.ca


-- 
--------The race is not to the swift but to those who keep on running -----
Doug Freese                 (The views expressed here are entirely mine)     
I.B.M. Corp.                email: dvfreese@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com 
Neighborhood Rd. Kingston N.Y. 12401 
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From: houston@eso.mc.xerox.com (Bob Houston 71407 - RIC)
Subject: Re: Weight Loss Diet with Running?
Reply-To: houston@eso.mc.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:30:01 GMT

In article 26378@hou.amoco.com, ztac18@hou.amoco.com (Tom Chaimov WWNV x5076 9.134) writes:
>In article 9484@newsgate.sps.mot.com, wolfson@regatta.sps.mot.com (Stephen Wolfson) writes:
>>I'm using running as part of my overall plan to get my "gravitationally
>>enhanced" body (with the big gut) into a more svelte appearance.  I  
>>currently can typically make it about 1.5 miles (sometimes less) 3 times
>>per week.
>
etc.------
>
>
>Sounds to me, Stephan, like you're doing exactly the right thing.  It's always
>good to try to cut back on your fat intake, replacing it with carbos, but the
>real key is the exercise.  If you enjoy running, stick with it and increase your
>mileage GRADUALLY* over a period of months or even a year until you're doing,
>say, 2 or 3 miles a day, 4 or 5 days a week (be sure to check with a doctor
>first, as always, if you've any reservations about strenuous exercise).
>etc.----------


I might add that once you get to the point where you are capable of running, etc. for more than 20 to 30 minutes that for fat & weight loss it would be advisable to go for occasional longer workouts--say an hour or more.  The reason seems to be that for the first 20 to 30 minutes of a workout the body is burning mostly glycogen, but after that switches over to burning mostly fatty acids (fat, I guess).  And from personal observation, if you are up to it, I have found that a double workout two or three time


s a week--say 3 or 4 miles easy in the early AM, with a second run of 6 or 7 at noon is *the* way to drop pounds.  I don't know why, but my theory is that the two runs "revs up" the resting metabolic rate, and keeps it there all day.  Finally, it was my experience when I started running that there was a plateau effect--viz. the first 10 pounds came off quickly in a 6 month period; then I plateaued for about 6 months while increasing my mileage; then the next 10 pounds came off in about 6 months---etc.  I'v


e now stabilized after four years of running at 30 pounds under my (chubby) initial weight, and maintain it with a yearly average of 55 miles per week (up to 75 per week during marathon training season, and 45 to 50 during the recovery season).  And now its time for my second run of the day--I managed to put on an extra 5 pounds over the holidays :-(

Keep it up Stephan--it's the way to lose weight and eat and drink anything you darn well please (within reason)...  

 



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From: kah@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Kathy Harris)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:33:31 GMT
Subject: Atlanta area marathons?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.running


Are there any marathons coming up through the year in the Atlanta area?
Email me if you have info/comments on any.

thanks,

Kathy Harris
kah@fc.hp.com
From: tarmstro@metz.une.edu.au (tarmstro)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Weight Loss Diet with Running?
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:59:20 GMT

> You may not have to wait that long - I found myself gaining weight
> despite doing 50+ miles a week about a year after I'd started. :-(

> Siddarth Subramanian          INTERNET: siddarth@cs.utexas.edu
> Austin, Texas                 UUCP:     uunet!cs.utexas.edu!siddarth

Yeah, I've discovered the same problem at 100+ miles/week. A bummer really.
Especially in winter. I guess I eat `better' in summer, plus eat less
due to the heat affecting my appetite. The converse to this though, is that
in the past I have in fact been `too thin' and lost some strength. I think
it is a fine line between ideal racing weight, and losing strength. Steve
Moneghetti went from 60kg to 56kg during the 4 day depletion phase of his
diet before the Barcelona Olympic marathon. In hindsight (he ran poorly,
finishing 42nd) he admits to losing to much weight.

Tim
tarmstro@metz.une.edu.au

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From: WVOSS@novell.com (Wes Voss)
Subject: Re: Weight Loss Diet with Running?
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 19:15:23 GMT

>Sounds to me, Stephan, like you're doing exactly the right thing.  It's 
always>good to try to cut back on your fat intake, replacing it with carbos, 
but the>real key is the exercise.  If you enjoy running, stick with it and 
increase your>mileage GRADUALLY* over a period of months or even a year 
until you're doing,>say, 2 or 3 miles a day, 4 or 5 days a week (be sure to 
check with a doctor>first, as always, if you've any reservations about 
strenuous exercise).>If you start getting bored with running, do something 
else; swim, bike, walk....>Just be sure you get plenty of exercise, and don'
t stress about your caloric>intake.
>
>* I can't emphasize this enough.  So many people try to increase their distance
>and frequency too fast and they lose interest.  Go easy, but be consistent.


I'm new to this group, having been a runner previously (7 years ago). My 
knees weren't in great shape and I was encouraged to lay off for a while. My 
doctor has given me a clean bill of health and said that as long as I don't 
torture my knees like I did (10K once a week, and 2 miles a few times a week 
on asphalt) I should be okay.

So, once the snow clears I'd like to eventually get back to around 2 miles a 
day 3 times a week. 

My question is, would that be enough to get my metabolism up and burning fat 
like it did 5 years ago? I'm 27 now, and have the gut to prove it! <G>

Wes

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