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From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Subject: Complaining
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 01:41:28 GMT


   I, like others, have been following this newsgroup recently with sheer
dread - it's become a big, worldwide bitching session. "Commodore can't do
this right... Commodore can't do that right... why would Commodore do that...
why won't Commodore do this..." And so on.
   People, it's getting old. Really old. Everyone wants a better Amiga.
Everybody wants to make sure that other people know about the Amiga. Everybody
knows that Commodore has not done the most glorious thing with the Amiga since
1985. But for Zax's sake, GIVE IT A REST. 
   If you can't say anything constructive, don't say ANYTHING at all. 
   As some dead English guy once said:

   "... full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

   I think he meant comp.sys.amiga.advocacy.

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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:42:52 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
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ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO) writes:
>
>>And how much of a machine do you need to run UNIX with X11?  Sun decided
>>that the 680x0 line was not fast enough, and sells most of its Sparcstations
>>with at least 32MB RAM.  What about Mac System 7?  It's a joke on anything
>>less than a IIci w/8MB RAM.  Don't compare OS/2 2.0 to AmigaDOS -- AmigaDOS
>>isn't even close in terms of functionality, so it shouldn't take Sherlock
>>Homes to figure out that it requires less hardware.
>
>I interpreted that to mean that you thought OS/2 was in a class above
>AmigaDOS 2.0.
>

Why, John, why?  Nowhere in the quote above did I say that OS/2 is in a
class above AmigaDOS 2.0.  All I said was that it has features that AmigaDOS
lacks, and that those features contribute to OS/2's resource requirements.
This is a fact.  You cannot argue with facts.  Whether or not those extra
features are advantages is an issue on which I clearly did *not* comment!

>
>John G. Ata - Technical Consultant | Internet:     hfsi!ata@UUNET.UU.NET
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: HPFS Re: Amiga file system
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:46:24 GMT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

Thanks a lot to the kind folks who reply to my question!
--
Dan Stephenson das9674@usl.edu 
"Is it that Blake has a genius for leadership, or merely that *you* have a 
 genius for being led?" -Avon, from Blakes 7                           
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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:35:16 GMT

>In addition to the above you must also admit that OS/2 has *alot* of overhead
>because it has to support both DOS and Windows programs.  This, I have
>found, makes OS/2 a little jerky on anything less than a '386 machine.

	How familar are you with OS2 2.0?  IBM states clearly that v2.0 is
   for 386 and above machines, not for anything less.  If you're still 
   using the earlier versions ( that do work on 286's ) I suggest you upgrade
   to v2.0.


							G.Greene


>Gregory John Casamento  --  gcasa@wam.umd.edu
>**** The opinions expressed in this article are the of Greg's Amiga ****
>**** And not of Greg himself.  He is currently being forced by his  ****
>**** Amiga (at gunpoint) to write this article.  :) :P B) BP ;) :O  ****
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From: u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull)
Subject: Re: yet more on the AA chipset...
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:47:38 GMT

mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:

>In <1992Aug19.081758.1844@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> spice@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>>Dave , why does Commodore have to maintain compatability in the Amiga line?
>>Apple makes major changes that break a lot of software all the time. Why
>>cant Commodore do the same?

>Well, even Apple does it _not_ all the time. But the difference is that
>Apple has a larger software base. If one special productivity software
>fails there are others of the same type working and since there is a
>larger competition the failing program will be updated soon.

>And quite a large part of compatibility problems lies in games. Nearly no
>game is written to C= guidelines. This effectively forces the Amiga to
>be 99% hardware compatible to the A1000.

	This is because CBM never put a games BIOS in the amiga.
	They shot themselves in the foot.
	With AA they shoot themselves in the face.

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: DIR
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 01:25:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.184148.22794@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.112516.2862@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> u2102952@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
>>Just how fast is the fastest Amiga 3000T (-040 or what ever else) compared 
>>to an Icky Blue Muck 486/50
>>
>>--
>>
>>Dave Rhubhymen     :    A man of no distinctions!!!
>>
>>--
>
>As for cpu power, the 486-50 beats it by quite a few marks.  A 040-25 only
>has the performance of a 486-33 cpu.  But if you compare a 040-33, well
>that may be another story.  

heh heh, but the day you show me that 040-33 Amiga, I'll haul up 
an Intel 80486DX2-66Mhz machine.. :) :) :)

(They really do exist, you know)
.


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*dead. So are most of her people." -Avon, from _Rescue_ (Blakes 7)
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From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Jaguar rumors
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:06:17 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Aug17.121916.10934@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:
>News about Jaguar and Lynx is proof Atari is TOP GUN with computers!

>1. According to an Atari insider friend of mine, the Atari Jaguar will have
>        two 68030s or 68040s, running in parallel. A loose interpretation
>        will call this 1 "64-bit" game system, from adding up two "32-bit"
>        processors.

>3. Price for this magic box? $199. 

These two points are inconsistant.  Even they sell near cost like every other
game machine maker does, they aren't going to have two '030s or '040s in this
box.  They don't need to, either.  A 68EC020 would kick butt compared to the
CPU in any other game box, and its a reasonably priced CPU for a games box.
If you wanted to pay for a 68030, why not go for an embedded controller RISC
instead, 3x the performance for the same money as long as you're building 
something new (the old Atari game boxes were Atari 800 based, so there's
no 680x0 compatibility issue, unless they're coming out later with "upgrade
to ST" hardware).  

Not that Amiga folks really care, Atari is irrevelent.
-- 
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   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh      BIX: hazy
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From: benw@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (bennett.weber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:01:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsm.1992Aug14.170118.19468
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug14.103329.27420@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.200207.2549@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug11.132522.20628@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> benw@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (bennett.weber) writes:
>>>>
>>>>If you ask the average "JOE" what operating system his computer uses,
>>>>he'd probably answer "Wordperfect".
>>>
>>I guess I did give the average "JOE" or "JANE" more
>>than average, oh well, it reminds me of a story that I heard.
>
>One of the problems of this forum is that it's a little elite - we're pretty
>much all either computer/engineering professionals or are studying CS/EE.  So
>it doesn't suprise me that people here have no clue about "average" users, at
>home and in business.  Can't be helped, I guess.

Actually, I didn't write that to be condescending...that was actually
the answer a neighbor of mine gave me after she and her husband plunked
down a sizeable amount on a computer system.  I asked her if they were 
running MS-DOS...her reply was "no, it runs Wordperfect"!  Remember,
most people don't give a damn about whats "under the hood"...to them,
the computer IS the application they use most.  (Best laugh of this
week was her showing me a book she bought "A 10 Minute Guide to 
WordPerfect).

I do get a good amount of contact with non-techie computer users, since
I teach programming a couple of nights a week at a local college, and
occasionally get a beginner's course.  It's always interesting to see
the reaction of people who have never used a computer before.  Basically
falls into 3 categories:

		1. Hey, neat toy!  Let's play!
		2. Total indifference (yawn)
		3. Abject terror (It's gonna blow...)

Perhaps group 1 ends up on Usenet...the population at large is probably
evenly split between 2 and 3!

						Ben Weber


==============================
Not speaking for AT&T...Cliff Robertson does that
==============================
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: How to Solve the Problem of A3000 C= CD-ROM Support
Date: 23 Aug 92 02:04:43 GMT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

In article <00Wl02wm1fjy01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> drg50@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Dave Gavin) writes:
>In article <1992Aug22.193045.16952@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>>
>>   There was a segment on CNN last night about a new program that IBM has 
>>created, to help schools teach with CD-ROM multimedia systems.  The systems
>.
>. (Some outstanding drivel removed)
>.
>> 
>>   Commodore has been making modified versions of the CDTV OS compatible with
>>AmigaOS 2.0 available to CDTV developers for several months now.  I'm pretty
>>certain that only the extra 256K of CDTV-specific ROM has been modified; the
>>rest of the OS is the standard 512K 2.04 ROM.  What I propose is getting a
>>dump of the 2.04-compatible 256K CDTV ROM into the hands of one of the bigger
>>European cracking groups, with the challenge that they develop a software-only
>>package that would allow A2000 and A3000 systems with a capable SCSI CD-ROM
>>drive to run CDTV software.  After all, if Commodore will not support us,
>>why should we continue to support them by remaining loyal to them?  This
>.
>.
>.
>>   If any Commodore reps have the gall to say that this is somehow immoral,
>>I would like to ask them what is so immoral about trying in any way possible
>>to push the AMIGA (not the CDTV) into the booming CD-ROM multimedia market?
>>Commodore has shown absolutely no desire to provide support that would allow
>>the Amiga to survive and compete in this market, despite how easy it would be
>>to provide such support.  This is the greater immorality, IMO.
>>
>>---
>>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>
>Marc,
> You continually amaze and amuse me... but this time you've outdone yourself.
>You are, I understand from prior postings, a registered developer - and here
>you are advocating the violation of the agreements that go with that status.
>
>  a. C= should refund your money and cut you off.
>  b. You are advocating copyright violation - why do you still have internet 
>     access?
>  c. Please sell your Amiga and buy a PC and annoy those folks for a while.

He seem pretty accurate, though.  Didn't wanna mention that did you? 'natch.

>    ///\\\3000                         |net: drg50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com
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From: stevef@bony1.bony.com (Steve Faiwiszewski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:50:30 GMT
Organization: Lost in NYC

In article <1992Aug8.204921.11217@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>In <1992Aug8.114151.3315@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>>	This is pure unadulterated BS.  What is multimedia????
>>	I guess according to *YOU* it is something Mircosoft  thought up.
>
>Sure.. Microsoft started inventing BASIC, the Disk Operating System, 
>the graphical user interface using Windows and the Mouse.
>
>You can clearly read that from the names they give their products.

You're joking, right?  Tell me you're joking!  If not, then you're really
showing your ignorance.

Apple was into GUI way before Microsoft, and Xerox was way ahead of
Apple (which stole the interface from the Star).  While Bill Gates 
started Microsoft by marketing a microcomputer-based Basic, he did not
invent the language.  Also, MS-DOS was really bought from another
company which developed a CPM-workalike for 8086 machines





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From: sjc28473@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven Joseph Chmura)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:13:11 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay) writes:

>It is such a dead language that it's only use (other than to study as a basis
>for modern language) is to describe ancient happenings, such as Caesar's
>conquests in Gaul.

Hey, you better evauluate its uses a bit more.  Chemistry, biology, and medicineis filled with latin.  Hell, my latin has helped me guess diseases many
of times.


-- 
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	and the probable inevitable..." - George Wald - "The Origin of Life"
	Steven Chmura /////////  University of Chicago School of Medicine (M1)
From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 600 vs. Falcon 030
Date: 19 Aug 92 10:01:24 GMT
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie

In <1992Aug18.235230.25841@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys) writes:
>Would it be worth the extra $300 for the greater graphics resolutions,
>CD quality sound, 68030 at 16 MHz, DSP at 32 MHz, numeric keypad,
>direct processor socket, 1.44 disk drive, built-in fan, internal clock,
>MIDI ports, headphone and microphone ports, DSP port, bi-directional
>parallel port, LAN, and greater memory expansion capabilities?

Looks kind of an exaggeration.

CD quality sound: tell that to the HIFI people.
numeric keypad: compare the quality of the keyboard.
built-in fan: This is a disadvantage as it makes noise.
internal clock: hmm. the A500 had one, hasn't the A600 one too ?
DSP port: looks like a separate item.. why not count the DSP crystal
		  and the DSP memory as a separate item for a larger feature list ?
bi-directional parallel port: The Amiga had this from day 1.
memory expansion capabilities: 14MB compared to 9MB+PCMCIA RAM disks.

Regards,
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento)
Subject: Re: amiga rules!
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 03:49:34 GMT

> Not only was the 128 compatible with the 64. It had a 64 built in. The 128
>was 100% 64 compatible.
>---
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This is not exactly true.  I used to own a C-128 and there were some pieces
of software which would not work on the C64 side of the machine.  I called
C= about this and they said something to the tune of "Well, even though it
acts like a after you type 'GO 64' there ARE some minute differences."  God
only knows what they are, but I accepted it.

The reason the C-128 failed was because there was no software SPECIFICALLY for
the C128 side.  The only piece of software I saw which took advantage of the 
128's capabilities was BASIC8.  It could make the 80 column video work wonders
for the 128.  But other than that, there was nothing.

It would be more accurate to say that the C128 was about 98% compatible with
the C64.

Also, I believe the incompatability came from the fact that the 128 had a 6510
installed and used it for both the C64 and C128 modes.  The  C64 however had
a straight 6502 processor.

Not a flame... Just my $0.02 worth...

Thanks,


-- 
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**** The opinions expressed in this article are the of Greg's Amiga ****
**** And not of Greg himself.  He is currently being forced by his  ****
**** Amiga (at gunpoint) to write this article.  :) :P B) BP ;) :O  ****
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 07:12:27 GMT
Organization: StarNine Technologies, Inc.

In article <3497@faatcrl.UUCP> jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:
>TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>
>>A CEO pulling down a 7 figure salary may not be to everyone's
>>taste, but it has absolutely nothing to do with what's wrong with
>>this country.
>
>  It's representitive of everything wrong with American business today.

Not at all.  What's wrong with business today is exemplified by
practices like leverage buyouts, look-and-feel lawsuits, hostile takeovers,
etc.

>
>>Repeating "voodoo economics" does nothing to obscure Reagan's
>>failure was *not* one of lowering taxes: in fact, revenues
>>climbed *dramatically* during Reagan's tenure. The failure was
>>one of spending.
>
>  No shit.  The argument was that conservatives were fiscally of sound
>mind while liberals are not.  Deficit spending is not a smart way of doing
>things, hence the term Voodoo Economics.

I believe that Congess defines the budget.

>
>>Its time to acknowledge that spending more money on *anything* isn't
>>a good idea. Its time for someone with guts to say "hey folks, we've
>>overspent for the past few years. Its not fair, but there will
>>no increases in nuthing for the next few years".
>
>  That much is painfully obvious.

It is not at all obvious.  There are 28 third-world countries
that are close to or already have nuclear weapons capability.
Two of them are expeected to aquire them this year.  The majority of
these guys are dedicated to the destruction of westernism and
judeo-christianity.

The world is now a more dangerous place than at any other time in history.
This is no time to cut the defence budget by 90%, as Clinton
proposes.

>
>>The deficit will disappear in 2 years, I predict.
>
>  Ok, Carnak, I'll check back in two years... ;-)

Yup. I agree it will take magic to fix it within 20 years.
We currently borrow money to pay the interest... 30% of every
dollar this country borrows (from foriegn lenders) immediately
goes right out of the country again.

If you stack $1000 dollar bills, a million bucks gets to 4 inches.
A billion bucks reaches 330 feet.
The deficit towers 180 miles, and it's growing every day.

15-20 years ago, this country was the biggest creditor nation
in the world.  We are now the  largest debtor nation.
Thanks, congress.

2 years?  I don't think the deficit will even begin to
level off by then.  Our children will be paying this off,
as well as their children.

We aren't willing to do what is necessary to BEGIN to attack this
problem... 70% of the current federal budget is entitlements.
Our politicians are too worried about being re-elected.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro)
Subject: Re: ** NEW AMIGAS **
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 21:12:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.080943.3695@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:

>	BTW, there was another article in byte about the IBM, 'ultimedia'
>	machine.  It evidently has a custom sound card, Windows 3.1, CD-ROM,
>	200 meg harddrive, 386sx processor, and 8541 vidio (paraphrasing), 
>	and it was priced at $6000.  Commodores 040-3000T, while seeming
>	way over priced to us on the net, in comparison with your garden
>	variety, 486DX clone, must be aimed at the IBM.


Are you sure that model doesn't come with one of those ActionMedia II
DVI boards, and OS/2?  I thought it did.  If not, it sounds like the
Ultimedia system is way overpriced.  Oh well, that's IBM for you.

Paul

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: JAM info on A570 & A2200/A2400 (public info!)
From: alanb@sdl.mdcbbs.com (Alan Braggins)
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:25:30 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: Shape Data (Division of EDS), Cambridge UK
In-reply-to: jpotter@ucs.adelaide.edu.au's message of 11 Aug 92 10:00:16 GMT

>>>>> On 11 Aug 92 10:00:16 GMT, jpotter@ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Jonathan Potter) said:


>  In article <1992Aug10.072523.5531@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
> >Yeah right, and '020 machine from CBM... whee, what a joke.  No one
> >wants an '020 machine... there are almost no '020 accelerators out
> >there right now.  It is old technology.  Obviously, if the market is
> >not providing any, the price/performance value is inadequate.
> >
> >Of course, CBM is capable of doing anything, but bringing out an '020
> >base machine when every other platform has abandoned that market for
> >the '030 is stupid.

> Not that stupid. 68020s are very cheap these days, much cheaper than 68030s,
> and they are much faster than a 68000.

When I (probably foolishly) suggested the A600 would have had a 68010 if we
were about to see VM, Dave Haynie said any new Amiga would use a 68030.


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