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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: NZ National Debt
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 03:48:05 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1992Nov9.103145.3070@zoo.bt.co.uk> jcs@zoo.bt.co.uk (John C Sager) writes:
>In <1992Nov8.193042.4248@nezsdc.icl.co.nz>, derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
>writes:
>
>>New Zealand is considered to be part of the third world by the World Bank 
>>and is therefore eligible for certain subsidies/aid programs.  None of this 
>>aid has ever been taken up though.
>
>This truly amazes me! I wonder what criteria the World Bank uses to decide?
>I can't think a certain amount of unsealed road would put you over the
>line.

If I recall correctly it is to do with population density, gross national
product and types of import and export.  New Zealand does not have a large 
amount of heavy industry and I think this has a large effect on the 
classification.

It goes to show that 'third world' is a largely artificial and misleading
definition and doesn't necessarily reflect the level of technical advancement
of the country, or indeed the average standard of living.  


-- 
Derek Tearne.   --   derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz   --    Fujitsu New Zealand   -- 
Some of the more aware dinosaurs were worried about the environmental
consequences of an accident with the new Iridium enriched fusion reactor.  
"If it goes off only the cockroaches and mammals will survive..." they said.
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: scnz faq (unofficial, long)
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:16:03 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Nov11.021020.21428@Princeton.EDU>, woodhams@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Michael Woodhams) writes:
> In article <28935.3139226764@kiwi.gen.nz> rabbi@kiwi.gen.nz (Rabbi Bajzheet) writes:
>>
>>Buzzy Bees:  A quintissential piece of Kiwiana.  It is a small wooden
>>bee that toddlers can drag around on a piece of string. It has wings
>>that rotate (backwards) and it makes a wierd clicking sound.  They are
>>no longer made, much to the author's remorse.
> 
> AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Whadya mean, no more buzzy bees? Is anyone out there in netland
> prepared to sell me theirs?

> Michael W.
> 
> 
 Now now Michael,  I'm sure you can still buy them.  I've seen them in shops
quite recently selling brand new.  BUT THE BLOODY WINGS ARE MADE OF PLASTIC!

Buy the way,  isn't it stink how Beehive matches are now made in Sweden? I
guess me ran out of beehives (though I can think of one that could do with
burning).

Jonathan.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Moving to NZ (?)
From: mdh@gaya.gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt)
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:13:45 +1300
 <1992Oct31.182622.1736@nezsdc.icl.co.nz><Qex6P9i00hsBJ_j6gx@cs.cmu.edu> <61709@mimsy.umd.edu> <PHILG.92Nov2130935@zug.ai.mit.edu>
Organization: Wellington, New Zealand

In article <PHILG.92Nov2130935@zug.ai.mit.edu>, philg@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Philip Greenspun) writes:

> In 1976, Congress passed a bill to "limit destructive competition in
> the kiwifruit market".  One needs government permission to sell
> kiwifruit in the US and they only authorize so many fruits to be sold.
> This is why they cost 3/US$1 (how much are they in NZ?).
> 
Today I bought some kiwifruit. There are 8 in the bag, and they cost 
$NZ2.15 - they sell them by the kilogram, and these were $2.50 a kg.
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From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: scnz faq (unofficial, long)
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:35:29 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <Af0NXvC00hsBN39W0D@cs.cmu.edu>,
mjw+@cs.cmu.edu (Michael Witbrock) writes:
> This faq was brilliant.  

There, see!  It's *not* true what everyone says
about Michael not having a sense of humour.

X X X-)
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*dick* (slang) n. fine words (for *dictionary*):  also for *declaration*,
as _to take one's dick_, and prob. _up to dick_, excellent (up to
declared value)" -- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: robin@chpc.utexas.edu (Robin Cleveland)
Subject: Re: Moving to NZ (?)
Keywords: kiwifruit, price of
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 16:15:32 GMT

In article <Bx9sGG.8ww@comp.vuw.ac.nz> andy@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Bond) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.004209.14746@massey.ac.nz> H.Edwards@massey.ac.nz (H. Edwards) writes:
>>Kiwifruit for $2.50/kg?  Is that typical of Wellington?  Here in Palmy
>>I've been buying them at Pak'n'Save over the last few weeks for anywhere
>>between 59c/kg (a great special, as long as you ate 'em soon) and $1.59/kg.
>
>$2.50 is at the higher end of kiwifruit prices.  You can usually find
>them at $1.50 or so if you know cheaper places to buy.  Woolworths and
>foodtown are not cheap.  During winter the markets had kiwifruit for
>as low as 10c/kilo.
>
>andy

Conversion to US dollars per pound is roughly NZ$/kg divided by four.
That is Kiwifruit at 2.5c/lb.

Robin.


-- 
Robin Cleveland. 
Mechanical Engineering, University of Texas at Austin.
Internet: robin@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
      or: robin@hermes.chpc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: allister@gphs.vuw.ac.nz (Allister J. Gorman)
Subject: Re: scnz faq (unofficial, long)
Organization: Institute of Geophysics, Victoria University of Wellington, NZ
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:24:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.021020.21428@Princeton.EDU>, woodhams@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Michael Woodhams) writes:
> In article <28935.3139226764@kiwi.gen.nz> rabbi@kiwi.gen.nz (Rabbi Bajzheet) writes:
> >
> >Buzzy Bees:  A quintissential piece of Kiwiana.  It is a small wooden
> >bee that toddlers can drag around on a piece of string. It has wings
> >that rotate (backwards) and it makes a wierd clicking sound.  They are
> >no longer made, much to the author's remorse.
> 
> AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Whadya mean, no more buzzy bees? Is anyone out there in netland
> prepared to sell me theirs?

But you can still get buzzy bees in the right shops.  I have seen two
kinds in Wellington.  One type was imported (I'm not sure where from),
and the other was New Zealand made.  Sorry I'm not sure who made it,
because I have already given it away as a present.  I did note
however, that its construction and operation was not as smooth as I
remember my own one from childhood was (a long time ago).

Allister J. Gorman, <allister.gorman@vuw.ac.nz>.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: scnz faq (unofficial, long)
From: Pat Cain <patrick@sideways.welly.gen.nz>
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:40:58 GMT
Reply-To: Pat Cain <cain_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz>
Organization: SillyNews, Sideways bulletin board, Lower Hutt, New Zealand

woodhams@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Michael Woodhams),
  in article <1992Nov11.021020.21428@Princeton.EDU> writes:
> >Buzzy Bees:  A quintissential piece of Kiwiana.  It is a small wooden
> >bee that toddlers can drag around on a piece of string. It has wings
> >that rotate (backwards) and it makes a wierd clicking sound.  They are
> >no longer made, much to the author's remorse.
> AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Whadya mean, no more buzzy bees? Is anyone out there in netland
> prepared to sell me theirs?

Yes, they are still made.  There was a court case recently where two
people were fighting about who had the rights to make the buzzy bee.
Most toy shops still sell them.

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: david@datamark.co.nz (David Rowland)
Subject: Re: Trade War (from: NZ news to 7/11/92)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:35:40 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <2AFDFFCD.17665@ics.uci.edu> fielding@simplon.ics.uci.edu (Roy T. Fielding) writes:
>cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty) writes:
>
>>News for the week ended Saturday November 7
>
>>Trade war could leave NZ a heavy loser

>This seems strange to me.  I would think that New Zealand could only profit
>from a trade war between the US and Europe.  NZ agricultural products would
>finally be able to undercut US prices (and its entrenched distribution
>network) in the European market.
>

Try this one.  If the USA trys to undercut the EC by exporting produce
at discount rates, in order for NZ to survive, we woUld have to do the
same in order to keep trade going.  However, our export costs are much
higher as we are in a small corner of the world and therefore have a
longer distance to ship goods.

Whatever the result, we would have to rely on a clean image and good
will for trade.  Lets just hope this trade war does not get off the
ground in a hurry and the EC starts to act more responsible toward the
fucture trade market.
-- 
| David Rowland       | The British are using New Zealanders.  They must |
| Datamark Intl Ltd   | really mean business !                           |
| Wellington          |      -  General Rommel During Northern African   |
| NEW ZEALAND         |         Campaign WWII.                           |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: wyk@sun4 (Master Jerry Y.G. Wu)
Subject: 1
Organization: National Cheng Kung University, Tainan, Taiwan
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:07:25 GMT
From: fielding@simplon.ics.uci.edu (Roy T. Fielding)
Subject: Re: Trade War (from: NZ news to 7/11/92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Organization: UC Irvine Department of ICS
Date: 9 Nov 92 06:06:05 GMT

cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty) writes:

>News for the week ended Saturday November 7

>Trade war could leave NZ a heavy loser
>New Zealand meat, dairy products, and wine could be among the first
>casualties of an international trade war looming as the result of the
>stalled Gatt negotiations. "The problem with all wars is that they're
>unpredictable and it's very hard to tell exactly what would happen,"
>the president of Federated Farmers, Mr Owen Jennings, said.
>"But I suspect the area we're likely to be affected in if the issue
>is prolonged will be selected products like wines initially, but then
>meat and milk." The United States fired the first shots of a possible
>trade war, triggered by a quarrel over European Community subsidies
>paid to European oilseed farmers. The EC has been thrown into turmoil
>by the dispute, the Agriculture Commissioner, Mr Ray MacSharry, quitting
>his negotiating role because of alleged interference from the European
>Commission president, Mr Jacques Delors, officials said.
>New Zealand and other trading nations would inevitably be caught in the
>crossfire of any expanding trade war between two such huge players.
>"It's patently obvious to everyone there would be horrendous damage done,"
>the New Zealand Dairy Board's public affairs manager, Mr Neville Nartin, said.

This seems strange to me.  I would think that New Zealand could only profit
from a trade war between the US and Europe.  NZ agricultural products would
finally be able to undercut US prices (and its entrenched distribution
network) in the European market.

The only reasons I can think of for New Zealand not to profit from it are:

1) the unlikely possibility of New Zealand joining in the trade war, or
2) the likely possibility that France will take advantage of the situation
   and slap some extra tarrifs on NZ imports.

Is there some other reason that I'm missing?

...Roy Fielding  (fielding@ics.uci.edu)  ICS Grad Student, UC Irvine, CA, USA

p.s.  Thanks for the news, Alan!
From: maj@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Was Culture now it's children's books
Date: 7 Nov 92 17:47:42 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <oeykNGe00hsB1Ce2ID@cs.cmu.edu>, Michael Witbrock <mjw+@cs.cmu.edu> writes:
> Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.new-zealand: 6-Nov-92 Re: Was Culture
> now it's ch.. maj@waikato.ac.nz (1353)
> 
>> > not police women in silly hats, lucky for them). How can you subvert a
>> > national identity with things which are clearly part of it. 
>> > 
> 
>> Here's how.
> 
>> You want to confuse the identity of Country A with that of
> Country B. 
>            etc etc etc 
> 
> I reiterate my point that if a excess of hedgehogs and policemen in big
> hats is considered a great threat to the NZ cultural identity, then that
> identity must be  extremely secure.
> 
> michael

I don't follow your logic.

Besides, hedgehogs and policeman are irrelevant
except as a possible start to a 'Fans of Bogor' subthread. What was
irritating me was someone writing books with a studied ambiguity
as to whether the setting was NZ or UK.        

-- 
Murray A. Jorgensen [ maj@waikato.ac.nz ]    University of Waikato
Department of Mathematics and Statistics     Hamilton, New Zealand      
__________________________________________________________________
'Tis the song of the Jubjub! the proof is complete,
if only I've stated it thrice.'
From: pr11+@andrew.cmu.edu (Prithvi Rao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Health Care etc....
Date: 9 Nov 92 05:59:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.wezcfoi00hYN8wjEhH
Organization: Information Technology Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

It seems that health care in nz has taken a turn for the worse(from
reading this bboard). Anyone have any comments about how the medical
profession is handling this? I guess I am interested in knowing if
enrollment in medical schools has been affected. I understand that it is
more difficult to earn the outrageous salaries that doctors once enjoyed
in nz. Do doctors have to have substantial malpractice insurance etc.? I
remember something about a nz delegation coming here to study the US
health care system and nearly choked when I read about it :-)! 

_prithvi
From: mjw+@cs.cmu.edu (Michael Witbrock)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Was Culture now it's children's books
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:27:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.EeyKS4O00hsBR674EB
	<1992Nov5.093222.11955@waikato.ac.nz>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.new-zealand: 5-Nov-92 Re: Was Culture
now it's ch.. maj@waikato.ac.nz (4523)
>  eg  references to introduced
> animals like hedgehogs, policemen in bobby-style helmets.

> That sort of thing is more than somewhat subversive of a national
> identity.[ to use a term beloved of both New Zealanders and Canadians].

But  New Zealand does have hedgehogs and policemen in silly hats (but
not police women in silly hats, lucky for them). How can you subvert a
national identity with things which are clearly part of it. 

Hedgehogs are terribly cute, and while they are, in many respects,
disgusting little creatures in their private lives, destroying the
"national identity" is not high among their moral failings.
From: pjm@ut-emx.uucp (Phillip MacQueen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Wanted: Maori words for use as a program name
Keywords: Maori, astronomy
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:06:03 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas


  I'm trying to choose a suitable name for a new computer program at the
moment, and I'd like the name to be a Maori word with a meaning which is
relevant to the purpose of the program.  I haven't been able to choose a
name because my knowledge of Maori is rather limited.  I'd appreciate
greatly any suggestions that may have to offer.
  What the program does is control an image detector system on a telescope
for astronomical observations, and also the astronomical instrument that
manipulates the light collected by the telescope before it is detected and
converted into an image by that image detector system.
  As an example of a name, this new program is a re-write of an existing
program called Argus which cannot be upgraded to current computing
standards.  Argus is the name of an ancient Greek God and/or Monster.
Argus, it was said, had a hundred eyes around his head.  He could see
everywhere and all things at once.  It's a very appropriate name for the
program.
  Names might have meanings like starlight, viewing the stars, God of the
heavens/stars/night, vision/sight (master/controller), starwatcher,
astronomer, and so on.  It would be best if the name is quite short and
not too hard to say or spell.  The name Atarau (Moonlight) wouldn't be a
good choice because moonlight is generally a curse to astronomers.
  You could send suggestions via e-mail directly to me at
pjm@Wairau.as.utexas.edu, or post them to this news group.  Thanks for
any suggestions that you have to offer.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: Mary.Curtin@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: NZ National Debt
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 02:47:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.122931.12003@waikato.ac.nz> hamish@waikato.ac.nz writes:
> In article <Bx8yAu.L3y@rice.edu>, byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd) writes:

> > Also, would someone care to comment on your health care system?
> 
> It was once touted as the best in the world. Now its probably the best in the
> 3rd world, but thats about it. At the moment in Invercargill we have a hospital

Have you ever visited the third world?

> ALso its now user pays ..

... a fragment of the total cost.  For a really ill/unlucky family an
EXTRA $1000/year.  

Extra because Jo(sephine) Public has paid the bulk of primary care
(general practitioner, over-the-counter medicine etc) costs for quite
some time.

Thinks like rubbish and sewage disposal (which have more effect on
people's health than doctors do!) continue to be ratepayer funded.

Hosptial care for for pregnancy/childbirth, mental illness, accidents,
STDs, and a few others which I can't remember just now, is totally
taxpayer funded.  

-- 
\   \/   /  |  
 \/\/\/\/   |  mary.curtin@bbs.actrix.gen.nz

Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: bene@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Benedikt Homann)
Subject: travel to new zealand in january
Organization: Technische Universitaet Berlin, Germany
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:05:39 GMT


[posting for a friend]


Hello,
landscape architect from germany, Berlin,aged 31, will 
travel to New Zealand next year between January 28th 
and February 28th. I intend tracking on the South Island.

Places I would like to go to besides Christchurch are

    Dunedin, Queenstown, Westport, Nelson and Auckland


for leaving NZ. Beeing interested getting a look more
closely to your country I'd like to contact people.
Because of this I would be happy about any letter which
will reach me. You can also reply via email to bene.

Other interests besides my profession are classical music,
opera, dancing, chatting about everything important.

I won't ask for accomodation for I will stay at backpackers.

My adress is Stefan Rampelmann
	     Kaunstr. 8
	     1000 Berlin 37
	     FRG Germany
Email:       bene@cs.tu-berlin.de
From: mjw+@cs.cmu.edu (Michael Witbrock)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Visiting
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:21:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.8eyKMWe00hsB5673k6
	<Bx7MEx.CM@comp.vuw.ac.nz>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.new-zealand: 4-Nov-92 Re: Visiting
Adam J Baker@kauri.vuw.a (950)

> Disclaimer:  Don't blame me.  I voted for Bill and Opus

Well, I'm delighted to report that Bill and Opus have won.

michael
From: philg@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Philip Greenspun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Warning!  All flights from US to NZ booked in Dec/Jan
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:35:53
Organization: M.I.T. Artificial Intelligence Lab.
Reply-To: philg@martigny.ai.mit.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: zug.ai.mit.edu


I just tried to get a ticket Boston/NZ on United with my 50,000
frequent flyer miles.  There was nothing available between December 1
and Jan 12!  There are a few places for people paying cash, but they
are charging $2700/rt.

Qantas and Air New Zealand have some space at a more reasonable
$1200-1300, but you'd be advised to buy tix RIGHT NOW if you hope to
get to NZ anytime soon (and not fly through Honolulu/Fiji/etc.).

Philip Greenspun
MIT Department of EECS
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Subject: International Software Jobs
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:35:12 GMT

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Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:36:27 -0500 
From: Michael Witbrock <mjw+@cs.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: scnz faq (unofficial, long)

This faq was brilliant.  

mickle

Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: s91376yf@sfc.keio.ac.jp (Yuka Fukushi)
Subject: for tourists
Organization: Keio University Shonan Fujisawa Campus.
Distribution: soc
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:19:13 GMT


	Hi all! A friend of mine is planning to visit New Zealand in
next February and she wants to know somewhere interesting to visit. 
Could anyone recommend any places? ( She said she would spend most of
the time in South Island.)


Yuka Fukushi
s91376yf@sfc.keio.ac.jp
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: visa, driver's license, passport questions for American
From: jdavis@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Joseph G Davis)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:28:12 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

Roald_Euller@rand.ORG (Roald Euller) writes:

>I lived in NZ for three years with a US passport and US drivers license,
>I rented cars without problem (most places assumed I was a tourist),
>I was stopped by the police more than once (no comment) and never had
>any problems (regarding the US license, anyway). In fact, I didn't
>get a NZ drivers license until about 1 week before I left the country,
>largely because it is good "for life".  Now I'm back in the US with
>no US license, using my Kiwi license, AND I have rented a car (?!).


Just to set the record straight, according to regulations, you are
supposed to acquire a (for life) New Zealand driver's license within
one year of moving to New Zealand. And you have to go thru' the 
"theory", oral, and practical tests to get one unless you have a British or
Australian license,

-Joseph Davis
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand