From: jca@crash.cts.com (John C. Archambeau)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Concealed Carry
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:52:04 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

In article <1992Jul24.024029.26084@wam.umd.edu> gisie@wam.umd.edu (Dr. Death) writes:
#My question is:
#
#	Do you carry without a permit?  Is it worth the risk of 
#getting caught carrying a concealed weapon while getting a traffic
#ticket?  One of my friends keeps his auto pistol on his front seat
#of his car so if he is pulled over he wont have it concealed.
#
#I am not sure that these guys are not doing the right thing,
#and this will cause them more problems than what its worth.

It depends on what your state's laws are and the typical penalty
regarding illegal carry of a firearm.  If it is on the level of an
infraction in your state it's no big deal and I would carry concealed 
if the penalty was on the level of an infraction.  At the hearing I
would request that the judge honor a request for a CCW permit if the
state issues them.  If I have several illegal carry of a firearm
infractions with paid fines and no accidental discharges or shooting
incidents.  It would stand to reason that I have demonstrated in the
eyes of the court that I do carry responsibly and do it as a matter of
personal protection.  If the judge is truly impartial then I may end up
being issued a CCW permit by the court.  But this is wishful thinking
on my part and some belief in the system working in a logical fashion
which it doesn't.  It would be nice if the system did work that way.

#Any input on why/why not you carry is greatl appreciated.

Simple, the penalty in CA is too great to risk it.  90 day mandatory
jail sentence and it is a misdemenor.  What I find funny is that
carrying a police baton without a permit is a felony in CA.  I believe
nunchucks (sp?) are also lumped in the category with police batons now.

I have yet to have a reason to carry in what is called condition four by
Ayoob where the firearm is in a locked case with a loaded magazine or
speedloader nearby.  Now the loaded magazine can get me into trouble
in CA since a magazine is part of the gun under CA law.  Under CA law,
the ammunition must not be touching the firearm that is in a locked
case during transport. 

The best firearm to carry in my opinion in condition four would be a 
.357 magnum revolver which I do own.  A pair of loaded speedloaders 
with 110 or 125 grain JHP rounds.  Speedloaders you can put in the arm
rest compartment (if your car has one) or map pouch of your car on the
driver's side door (again if your car has one).  If you don't smoke
(which I don't), you could put them in the ashtray and keep the ashtray
closed thus the loaded speedloaders concealed.

If another riot situation breaks out in CA hopefully it will be long
after I leave CA and am residing in Nevada which is an 'open carry'
state.  So I'll have no problem in Nevada come September 1st when I will
be declaring my residency in Nevada after moving.  Only thing I'll find
odd is that I can strap my gun to my belt and walk down the street which
will take some getting use to for a naive Californian.
--

     // JCA

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