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From: Myrddin <Myrddin@tri.isolatedw.edu.ow>
Subject: Re: more on Merlin (Taliesin)
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X-Xxdate: Tue, 13 Oct 92 02:35:50 GMT
Organization: The Immortals
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:35:52 GMT

I have not read been able to read any of the previous articles in this
topic but I have one possible error I wish to clear up.
I hope that you do not think that Merlin was Taliesin.
Merlin is/was Welsh, whereas Taliesin was a member of the Scottish Court.
I don't know why he (Taliesin) wrote in Welsh, though I have seen
supposed examples of this.
As they are both remnants of an Older race the Welsh and the Scottish
have many similarities.
Take for example the traditional Welsh name "Megan", _not_ pronounced in
the horrific :-( way of the Americans as "MEEG-N" (long-short) but as the
Welsh "MEG-N" (short-short) (this is the _proper way).
The Scottish have this name as a traditional one as well, as "Meaghan".

If anyone has any examples of mythological similarities or more
information on Taliesin (pronounced TALLY-AY-SIN) please post it to this
newsgroup as it is rather difficult to get mail through to my address.

______________________________________
Mae hen wlad fy nhadau yn annwyl i mi,
Gwlad beirdd a chantorion, enwogion o fri;
Ei gwrol ryfelwyr, gwladgarwyr tra mad,
Dros ryddid collasant eu gwaed.
______________________________________
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:06:45 -0400 
From: Kendrick Kerwin Chua <kendrick+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: The NET-ronomicon
	<1992Oct15.220302.11519@reed.edu>

In case I didn't make myself clear on the point :

Because there are so many conflicting viewpoints on the book, there is
no way anyone can make ONE definitive net discussion or compilation or
"history" or whatever.  It smacks too much of alt.talk.abortion;
everyone is so fixed into her viewpoint that no one is every going to
change her opinion.  It is not bad to discuss the N-con, but it is bad
to try and bring it to people who don't believe in it, or vice versa.

Any questions or flames, please send them to me, not the board.  Thanks


Kendrick Kerwin Chua

kc3u+@andrew.cmu.edu    or
kendrick+@CMU.EDU

Cthulhu for President, 1992!
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From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: EVIL!
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 07:32:58 GMT

In article <1atekkINN8tb@bigboote.WPI.EDU> brenda@wpi.WPI.EDU (brenda) writ
(relating someone else's theory):

>when cain was sent to live with the apes after he killed able, he reproduced 
>with them.  

my copy of genesis makes no mention of apes.

>         hence, this would explain the 'evolution' of apes to human forms, 

say what?

>as the ape-humans mixed with humans, and the physical ape part slowly faded..
>however, the thesis proposed that the evil, bad part of cain (and the 
>primitive animal nature of the ape) stayed, which would give every human 
>today both bad and good sides... some more varied than others...  
>i believe that the humans of that time were supposed to live for hundreds of 
>years, and perhaps this is why lifespan eventually grew shorter, and disease
>  could grab hold of people easier...

>   just one arguement, of course...

and a rather silly one. this theory demands that you accept the literal truth
of the bible, that you believe that apes are more violent than humans
(they aren't, by and large), that you believe apes and humans can
interbreed (this is probably true, but experiments have not (to
my knowledge) been performed, and even if they could it is highly 
unlikely their progeny would be fertile).


josh
From: markk@pongo.West.Sun.COM (Mark Allen Kampe)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Changing times and magick.
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:24:43 GMT
Reply-To: markk@pongo.West.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: pongo.west.sun.com

In article <92287.123111CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu> <CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Does anyone have any thoughts on the old story of " As time progresses,
>there will be more mages around..etc."  It seems that I run into more and more
>people who practice the arts.  Then again, maybe i'm just getting out more...
>It seems that some believe that as years go by, the use of magick will grow
>tremendously..and then fade out, and this goes on in a cycle.  Any ideas on
>this?  Opinions?
 
I think that as time progresses, people become better educated and more
worldly.  This experience has a tendency to open minds, and open minds
explore.  I see this as the main reason for more people to explore the
realm of magickal phenomenon.  Note however that educated minds are also
more sceptical and demand more sophisticated and elaborated visions.  Thus
"more mages" does not necessarily mean "more mages like we had back in
the seventeenth century".  As we become better and better at this stuff
it may come to look less and less like magick.

There is, superimposed upon this, the cyclic nature of all "fads", and
arcane studies are probably not immune to this.
From: dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: De-linking others.
Date: 15 Oct 1992 20:32:43 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <92287.123653CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu>, CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> It is possible to de-link yourself to someone whom you linked with very
> strongly, say for example, someone whom you have had sex magick with?  Or
> someone whom you prevented pregnancy with various forms of sex magick, as
> some prefer to call it.

I have some thoughts on this.  For a while following my seperation, I was
having a lot of nightmares about some things that happened when my husband
and I were splitting.  I was having nightmares about him almost every night.
Then the nights that I didn't have nightmares about him I started having
lucid dreams.  I had tried all of the lucid basics, looking at your hands,
flying, all the basic pyrotechnic fun stuff, when I had the idea that I 
would try a magickal ritual in the next one.  I would use seeing my ex as
a lucid trigger.  If I saw him, I'd ask myself if I was dreaming, and if I
was then I'd envision the links between us and cut them.  Of course, when
I realized what a great use of dreamwork that was, I stopped having the 
nightmares (I'm just as happy on that score) and haven't had a lucid dream
since (that was a disappointment.)

I did do a divorce ritual on what would have been our ninth wedding 
anniversary.  I wrote up a longer thing about this that I may or may not
post sometime.  The short form was that I took my dried wedding bouquet,
soaked it in rum and torched it.  After it burned down, I took the ashes
and rum out to the nearest crossroads (it happened to be a day before the
full moon, not as symbolic as the dark moon would have been but cool enough)
and poured it out on the street.  Then I looked up at the moon and thought
about those nine years and had some great insights into the bigger picture
of what had happened.  It was one of the most effective and helpful rituals
that I've done or participated in.  (Well, I was forced to flip a finger to
two cars that almost ran me over while I was standing in the middle of the
road, but it could have been worse. :-) )

Dawn
"Oh, Time!  Of all the dwellers here below 
You only elevate buffoons or fools,
Or him whose anus as an inkstand serves."
The Perfumed Garden of the Shaykh Nefzawl, translated by Sir Richard F. Burton
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: backgrounding
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
	<JOSHUA.92Oct15111947@bailey.cpac.washington.edu>
	<1bken0INN9o@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:48:47 GMT


In article <1bken0INN9o@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> ttk@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (the troglodyte 
killer) writes:

>   I wrote:
>   >trying the techniques outlined in the FAQ. crowley's '8 Lectures On Yoga'
>   >is a good elementary book describing how to do this.

>	Excuse me, but Crowley isn't exactly the PUREST of sources, 
>   if you know what I mean?

know I don't know what you mean. what do you mean?

>                             The guy was bad news spelled three 
>   ways..  His abuses of knowledge were destructive and petty.

what, specifically, are you talking about? have you read '8 lectures on Yoga'?
what crowley have you read? please be specific.

>	I know, I know I'm opening myself up to flames, but let's 
>   try to keep them in Email?

well, if you were really concerned about this, you should perhaps have sent
me some email. if you had, I would have replied to you in email.

josh
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Toe Dipping
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:20:08 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

jwright@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ceridwyn) writes:

: the "alpha" state refered to may be in reference to something akin to Laurie
: Cabot's _Power of the Witch_.  Ok, she may be a bit flashy, but she does know
: some stuff.  Her chapter on alpha is basically a form of Western visualization
: meditation.  She defines alpha as the altered state fo consciousness "where
:brain waves register at seven to fourteen cycles per second" as opposed to the 
:"beta" level which is 14->30 cycles/second.  Does this ring a bell for anyone?
: 
: Also, in reference to the third eye comments, an interesting fact:
:   The third eye is located in the same general area as the pineal gland.  The pineal gland is located in the center of the forehead and under the thickest, and hardest bone in the skull.  It nonetheless is affected by light.  The pineal    gland regulates melatonin, a hormone that is important in producing other 
: hormones.

Well, I think she is misinformed here. 

1) There is no proof that the pineal gland responds to light.

Also, melatonin has nothing to do with producing other hormones. It is a
hormone that produces lightening of the skin by causing the melanin in
pigment producing cells to concentrate. Eg - you get freckles instead of
a smooth tan.

Bill
From: thomas@eagles.uucp (Thomas Hoffman)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: holy symbol with triangles
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:54:44 GMT
Organization: Eagles Reaches Church of Asatru - Elder Hof

n8940681@henson.cc.wwu.edu (R) writes:

> thomas@eagles.uucp (Thomas Hoffman) writes:
> >
> >    /\  /\
> >   /__\/__\
> >  /\  /\  /\
> > /__\/__\/__\
> >    /\  /\
> >   /__\/__\
> >
> >in the real hardware world we live in it is 3 interlaced equillateral
> >triangles.
> 
>              
>     /\  /\              /\              /\                                   
>    /__\/__\            /  \  ________  /  \                                  
>   /\  /\  /\          /    \ \  /\  / /    \                                 
>  /__\/__\/__\        /______\ \/  \/ /______\                                
>     /\  /\                    /\  /\                                         
>    /__\/__\                  /__\/__\                                        
> 
> Three equilateral triangles? Looks like four.
> 
> (Also looks like a hexagram between two evergreens.)
> 
> R
well you also have to read the original posting by grendel. he admits that it
is not a very good representation of the symbol in question. you can only
do so much with what we have here. get me your address and i can mail you
a pen and ink of the valknut or any other teutonic symbol you may have
questions about.
well met and wassail
Thomas of House Hoffman
From: amanda@INTERCON.COM (Amanda Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: evil and "dualism"
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:42:29 GMT

mcnair@slab.unt.edu (SEAN MCNAIR) writes:
>       The first letter of the Interlinear Bible is A'ain, not Beth. 

All of the Hebrew texts of Genesis that I have and have seen begin with the 
word "Bereshith", which begins with a Beth.  This includes my interlinear OT, 
which uses the Masoretic Text for the Hebrew.

To what interlinear Bible are you referring, and what Hebrew text does it use?


Amanda Walker
From: jwright@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ceridwyn)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Enemy seeks to put me on trial...w
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:47:55 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:


>Before you begin searching for any kind of ritual to `save' yourself, consider
>what can be gained by just not worrying and letting fate run its course:

>Stick with the truth, wether it hurts you or not -- abandon all attachment to
>success or failure and be established in the action of telling the truth.

Yes, it is hard to find the truth.  But it is worth it.  Without being truthful,
you will lose all control over yourself and your surroundings.  *Especially* if
you are dealing withe Power.

>1) If you have done something wrong, you deserve to be punished.  Better to
>   take your punishment now than wait 'till later.

>2) If you have done something that society considers wrong (big difference from
>   point 1), and you are punished for it, accept the injustice that you can not
>   change, realizing that you will gain in power from the sacrifice.

Comment:  If you accept the injustice, you are in effect losing the power that
you could gain from the situation.  Feed the energy that could become negative
into a useful plan.

>3) If you come out on top, good job.

>4) Keep in mind that this may just be a way in which your mind is working
>   towards another goal.  All events can be turned to your advantage.  Don't
>   regard anything as an `unfortunate' happening.

>Note on rationalism:  Whether or not this karma/whatever theory has any
>rational basis in material evidence, it is an easily believable theory for
>western/xian-influenced people, thus making it a very powerful and workable
>approach for such people. (Including myself, I swear by this approach)

I agree.
	 
>Hope it helps,
>--Joshua (Herafter Hum, to avoid confusion with the great teacher)
>jallen@andy.bgsu.edu     BC205CS@opie.bgsu.edu

Had to add in my copper's worth.  I'm new to this news stuff.  I should   
introduce myself:  Ceridwyn, found at jwright@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu  
	   Wind to thy Wings.

-- 
       jCeridwyn                         "I feel like a furrball in
jwright@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu                    the throat of life."
filker/pagan/lesbian/Misty fan                -Mork from Ork-
From: cranmer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: The first letter?
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:15:10 EDT

Hello,

mcnair@slab.unt.edu (Sean McNair) writes...

> Dear Amanda:
>
> The first letter of the Interlinear Bible is A'ain, not Beth.

Although I'm not Amanda, I'd like to know what you are talking about.

The first verse of the Hebrew Bible ("Torah") is (using the transliteration
scheme most common in magical books):

         BRAShITh BRA ALHIM ATh HShMIM VATh HARTz,

which translates as "When God began to create the heaven and the earth...",
or the more commonly-seen "In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth."

And the first letter of this verse is indeed Beth.

According to what I've heard, an 'interlinear' text is just any text that
shows side-by-side (word-by-word, sentence-by-sentence, etc.) translations
of the same thing for scholars to compare.

Is your 'Interlinear Bible' something else?  Or, again, is this just a really
good joke that I'm missing?  I'm aware of the 'devil' connections with the
letter Ayin (the tarot trump that the G.D. associates with that letter), but
the letter itself does not appear in the Bible until the second verse.

Just curious...
____________________________________________________________________________

                                  Steve Cranmer
                                  cranmer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
Subject: Re: evil and dualism
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:09:04 GMT

In <1992Oct7.183017.20291@engage.pko.dec.com> stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (Hail Eris, All Hail Discordia) writes:

>"as above, so below" ... know what I mean? :-)

>God gets in a bad mood and they slap a different name on Him... 

Of course I don't know what you mean! If I knew that, I'd probably know
about the lloigor, Carcosa, the CIA and the way the phone company is run
by the Bavarian Illuminati...I know nothing...excuse me, someones ath
the door....

:) :) :)

Ollie/Lucifuge...

--
---------------------------------------------------------------------
The Lord is my Shepherd..........................but I'm not a Sheep
--------------------------ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie-----------------------
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From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Re: Answering a call
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:02:59 +0000

craig@cattnts.canada.ncr.com (Craig Campbell) writes..


>If a person were to experience/feel a persistant call (summoning?),
>and yet be unable to determine the source (or where one is being
>called to), what options are available. (Ignoring the call has been
>tried. There is a desire to answer, but an inability to do so.)

IME you have to get to the bottom of this: Such feelings exists ubtil
either the source is removed, or whatever causes them to latch on to
you is modified.

SO you can either fix the sender or the receiver. To fix the receiver
you have to pay attention to the call - let yourself get immersed in
it so to speak, and _fully experience_ it. This is something I can't
describe better - but just do it anyway! trial and error will let you
know whether you are accepting the summons or rejecting it. IME again
once you have fully accepted it you will have a simple choice of
whether to get involved or to ignore it. By that time you WILL know
where it comes from in all likelihood.

If all el;se fails you will have to soldier on. Try stoicism or
various heroic techniques :-)
Leo
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Enemy seeks to put me on trial...what to do?
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:24:00 GMT
Distribution: alt.magick
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <Bw2Lt4.L4t@world.std.com>, jwi@world.std.com (Jazzman) writes...
>HELP!  Someone whom I have not wronged has made false accusations
>against me.  This person seeks to put me on trial.  Its my word
>against her's.  I am truly innocent but this person has a 'cause' and
>will stop at nothing to further this cause.
> 
>I stand to lose my job, my home, possibly my wife (we have grown ever
>closer and stronger through this ordeal, the only 'bright' side of
>this woeful tale).
> 
>I am very much a 'newbie' to magick and am seeking advice and help for
>me, my wife, and my family.  What can/should I do?  We have tried
>talking to this person...no use.
> 
>Please help!  Time is very short.
> 
>Blessed be,
> 
>    John & Ann

Sounds like a legal problem.  If so, then hire a lawyer.  Might 
want to wait until she actually files something before spending 
the money.  

- Peggy -
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From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: Magick for emotional turmoil. HELP!!
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:13:59 GMT

yes buy a case or 5 (cases) of beer call all your friends ... have a party ... 
and kick her out .... shes screwing with your mind .. i had the same thing happen to 2 friends .. they both didnt listen to me .. one was left in severe debt after she finally lowered the ax for good and the other got left at the alter .... 

i hate mind games .. dont let her screw with her .. but of course u know me from a whole in the wall .. but i see that little game played too much .. 20 bucks says she as someone else on the side .... watch your back ... 

---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
---------------------------------------------------------------		
 I understand you need someone to do work.
 I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
    -Vladimir Taltos
---------------------------------------------------------------
From: cal@otter.hpl.hp.com (Colin Low)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Re: EVIL! (& Ronald McDonald)
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:10:04 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.

Peggy Brown writes:

>Probably.  Now how would this work in the UK where (according to 
>Chris) its common etiquette to ignore anything touchy, (except on 
>the football/soccer field I gather)?  (If you didn't follow the 
>RJ Stewart/Merlin Tarot posts, you won't know what I'm referring 
>to.)

You may be doing Mr. Stewart an injustice in assuming that the letter
posted through his door was simply ignored. There is an interesting
phenomenon known to psychical researchers as "the reverse Koot Hoomi effect".
You may recall that Madam Blavatsky received materialisations of letters
from a Master called Koot Hoomi - the letters would materialise out of thin
air and fall to the floor. The reverse Koot Hoomi effect occurs when
particularly important pieces of occult correspondence rise into the air
and *dematerialise*, their destination being presumably the occult
city of Shambhalla. 

This has been going on for years, but it was only noticed relatively recently
on (coincidentally) computer networks. Networks like the Usenet have
protocols which make it completely, physically impossible to lose anything, 
and yet readers of alt.magick will be familiar with the phenomenon of
follow-up messages, and no original posting. This is an example of the
reverse Koot Hoomi effect. It's happening all the time. The only solution
appears to be to make sure that your posting is only peripherally related
to magick, a fix many contributors have discovered by trial and error.

Colin
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: ballms@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (BALLMS)
Subject: vampires
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: vampire trick,caution!
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 05:23:00 GMT

A fave method of vampires in order to 'get you', is the
creation of the emotional 'swamp' of false bliss, aka saccharine
ananda, usually mixed in with lots of svadisthana stimulation
'bombs' .. plus they use the guilt sling game in order 
to cause the victim to feel somewhat 'bad' about rejecting
them. They also will try to involve you in a game called
 the 'subtle trade off' and 'brainwash'
game. They are much like a siren combined with a con man
in this game.
 (can be male or female).. Metaphorically, they
'inject' your 'subtle', 'astral', or 'emotional' body
with a psychic sedative, which increases your astral
body's 'weight' or 'gravity'. This increase in weight
, or heaviness, detrimentally affects your higher
reasoning's ability to discriminate what is actually
happening to  you . Thus, the 'trade off' is the 
vampire giving you a 'sedative' and you giving up some
of your discriminative clarity. Your insight capacity
is numbed so that you don't realize what you are losing
-----.
You probably recognize this game in codependancy, and
in the plain old day to day games that people learn off
of soap operas. However, these 'games' can be greatly
'amplified' by a corrupt personality that has acquired
some level of prana manipulation ability.
---
The above is  an excerpt from a pamphlet I wrote called
"7 methods how vampires gain your confidence."  
I'll try to post the whole thing, especially since
halloween is approaching. It's a good laugh. 
---
Do what keepeth thou from wilting shall be the loophole in
the law. 
Mark
p.s.
BTW, the bible belt  has become full of exoteric christians,
egocentric conceited power mad freaks into the occult,
board game escapists, gender bashers, simplistic mindfuck
tree worship, and all around pathetic sideways glancers,
. I do hope Kali Yuga speeds the fuck up.
Bless all directions. 
---


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