From: mjb@doc.ic.ac.uk (Matthew J Brown)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Clueless hetboys and bi's
Date: 28 Jan 93 14:54:05
Organization: Department Of Computing, Imperial College, London.
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In-reply-to: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu's message of 27 Jan 1993 07:35:15 GMT

In article <1k5dvj$4ad@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
> In article <MJB.93Jan25222817@motmot.doc.ic.ac.uk> mjb@doc.ic.ac.uk (Matthew J Brown) writes:

> ->It's worth our time remembering that women *can* be as clueless as men
> ->about this - it's rarer, I believe, but not by any means unknown.

> Why do you think it's rarer? I think women generally express these
> fantasies more rarely, but from what I've seen women talk about
> their sexual fantasies less than men anyway ...

Only by the flawed empirical method - I've seen it less, and heard of
it less. And I haven't yet seen hordes of clueless hetgirls posting to
soc.bi about their fantasies about Hot Bi Studs. Or is this what the
future holds?

> ->Like Roy, I'm willing to make an admission - yes, the thought, and the
> ->actuality, of watching two women having sex does turn me on. So, too,

> *blink* *gasp* Ooooh, you hetboy you! :)

Alright, I admit it, I'm not bi, I'm a hetboy who somehow ends up in
bed with more men than women. I was drunk, honest. I didn't enjoy it,
oh no. [At this point I fail to keep a straight face any longer ...]

> ->do most other combinations - but then I'm bi, and the straight man
> ->is probably less interested in watching men. Plus, I can see part of
> ->another reason for the fascination - sex between two women is an act
> ->in which a man is physically incapable of taking part - watching some
> ->other sexual combinations may be less exciting because of the
> ->*possibility* of taking the place of one of the participants.

> Whoa, that's really interesting, because IMHO, they're attracted to it for
> exactly the _opposite_ reason -- that they _can_ imagine themselves doing it
> ... in other words, the average heterosexual man can imagine himself going
> down on a woman, and as such can see another woman doing that, but would
> never imagine going down on a man (or how much fun it is), and as such would
> be slightly grossed out by another man doing it (not to mention how he would
> feel about buggery).

> This would also explain, IMHO, some of the attitudes I've seen of women who
> have thought that gay men together are hot, but got rather uncomfortable
> thinking of themselves and a woman.

I think both of us are probably right to some extent on this. There
are certainly men who find, for example, pictures of two women engaged
in sex far more interesting than pictures of heterosexual sex. Of
course, some of them are just so disgusted at the sight of another
man's naked body, but I think there's more to it than that for some.

-Morven

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