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From: schiles@valentine.us.oracle.com (Suzanne Chiles)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Stuffed Prey, so to speak
Date: 10 Dec 92 22:32:38 GMT
Reply-To: schiles@us.oracle.com
Organization: Oracle Corporation
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I finally found the perfect toy for my kitten, the small grey mousies
from the pet store.  My kitten is content with her mousies for hours on
end.  First she rips off the tail, then the ears, and then she's onto
the body -- giving up only when the little mousie is nothing more than a
clump of cork.  (Yes, I find little rabbit/mousie pelts here and there
about the house).

I started noticing last week that my kitten was depositing the "dead"
mousies on the sofa where I sit when I come downstairs.  Then she
started leaving the "dead" mousies at the entrance to my bedroom.

This behavior reminds me of several of my outdoor cats who would hunt
and bring home trophies for me to view.  As she is strictly an indoor
cat, her hunting venues are somewhat limited.  However, it really seems
to me that she is bringing her "prey" to me so that I can admire it.

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: rock@medch.b17b.ingr.com (Chris Hudson)
Subject: Re:    declawing?
Reply-To: rock@medch.b17b.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:46:17 GMT

I ended up having my cat declawed a while back.  It didn't seem to bother him,
but I can't see having it done to another cat.  My reason for having Sinbad
declawed was that he seemed to love clawing my room-mate's furniture and was
beginning to eye his new, $1000 Fender Telecaster.  I could care less whether or
not he claws my furniture.

Chris Hudson
-- 
Save the Sharks!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Dogs come when called. Cats take a message and get back to you.
From: mas@calmasd.Prime.COM (Marisa SorBello)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: alternative disciplinary measures?
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:48:51 GMT
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA

In article <1gmmmeINNh8f@nigel.msen.com> dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski) writes:
>I'd heard about aluminum foil.  I tried it and the gang thought that the
>noise that it made was neat.  Durin tried it, Spike and Wills jumped in
>and Tabitha and Daryl watched with interest. :)

Sachia just hates aluminum foil. She's a perpetually underfoot cat
when I'm in the kitchen, but the minute I take out the foil and zip
it across the cutting teeth, she's a blur into the living room.

-- Marisa


Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats,alt.drugs
From: mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Harris)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 21:52:21 GMT

sl31+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen M. Lacy) writes:

>Excerpts from netnews.alt.drugs: 14-Dec-92 Re: UL: Monumental LSD over..
>by Michael J Maryo @udecc.e 
>> thing that gets me is that even know we all know the effects and dangers (?)
>> associated with drugs, there are still a lot of us who do use them.  But the
>> difference is that we use them wisely and responsibly.  The knowledge that

>Please, let me know how to take an illegal drug "wisely and responsibly"
>  I'm quite interested.

>Steve


>"I don't like much really, do I?  But what I do like, I love
>passionately!" -Pet Shop Boys

Why waste your time on Steve? He just admitted that he thinks it's fine to
let the government and police department define wisdom and
responsibility. Doesn't seem too open to much. It's just a good thing
there are people that don't agree with him though. Thanks to them women
can vote and blacks can drink out of any drinking fountain and sit down on
city busses. But then I would guess Steve is white and male so why should
he care?


--
Mike Harris 			>>>>> In stereo where available <<<<< 
InterNet: mikeh@tenet.edu
From: connorm@vax.sonoma.edu (Michelle Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Alternative to K/D?
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:19:00 GMT
Organization: Sonoma State University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Hi everyone...I have a question:  Does anyone know if there is an alternative
to Prescription Hill's K/D?  My cat hates it, and while he will eat it --he's
not hetting anything else!-- I would like to offer him an alternative...

I totally agree with him: the stuff looks like little pieces of wax with the
same texture!  And the smell of the canned stuff is even worse...yuk!



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


Michelle
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu (Vicki Holzhauer)
Subject: Re: a very sad day for me....
Keywords: tears, tears
Organization: Atmospheric Technology Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:30:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.220540.7437@pony.Ingres.COM> walker@Ingres.COM (Lynn Walker) writes:
>I'm only writing because I am hurting, and hope that I did the right thing by
>putting him down. The vet said that they could remove the tumors, but it would
>only have bought him a bit more time.


I'm so sorry to hear about your loss, but I think you did the right
thing.  If your cat was already in surgery (i.e., cut open), then the
"bit more time" he had would be spent recovering from surgery.  Don't
worry yourself about the decision ... it sounds as if you and your
other cat need a new kitten.

--
Vicki Holzhauer, National Center for Atmospheric Research
Boulder, Colorado / / / /  vicki@ncar.ucar.edu
From: collene@unisql.UUCP (Collene Pearce)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: What's Your Favorite Kind of Cat?
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:39:15 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1gl2fpq@rpi.edu> petitc@vccsouth02.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit) writes:
>I was wondering---what's your favorite kind of cat?  Siamese, Persian,
>Tomcat, Rex?

Persian and Exotic Shorthair.  They are mild mannered, gentle and kind
and loving and seem to have an air about them that says -- "I know I'm 
superior to humans and all other living things."  ;-)


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From: diana@com (CatWoman )
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Do You Have Three Cats?
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:54:14 GMT
Organization: Castle WetWare MouseCatcher

] On 12-05-92, Lenore Levine wrote to All:
] 
] >------------------------------------
] Do you have three cats (or any other combination of three household
] pets)? How do they get along? Are they all friends? All enemies? 
] Are there two friends who gang up on the third? Or are two rivals
] for the attentions of a third?
] 
] >------------------------------------

Well - as you may have seen in my last post, the
composition of my family is somewhat changed now.

Chaplin did not get along with other cats.  For
the last 12+ years, with one 6-month exception,
I have had at LEAST 3 cats at a time.  Chaplin
was fine when "her" cat was there - but it became
a problem in 1983 when he succumbed to FUS complications.

After that - it was her against all others.  

That was how I knew it was time to let her go - she
was not fighting.

I don't know what will happen now - Muffin, thank
whatever, is okay so far - but he has a bad heart.
He is the one who plays with both Biscuit and
Motley.  The two girls have been growling at each
other since Motley arrived.

However, as of yesterday, they were sitting on
the bed within a foot of each other, without any
complaints.  I don't know if this was due to them
realizing that Chaplin was gone - or because Muffin
wasn't around for a while - or the third possibility:

Something I intended to add as a happier note to my
Chaplin post - Janet picked up Muffin and Chaplin at
a bit after 9.  At 11, I looked outside my front door,
and there, on the porch, is a blue-cream tortie!

It was eerie - I figured that it was about the time
Chaplin had gone.  This kitten, she was only about
4-6 months old, came up to the door, and when I opened
it, she marched right in.  And proceeded to growl at
my two girls.  And grump about being picked up -
very Chaplin-ish behaviour...

Another eerie thing is that Motley is a Black-Orange
tortie, and this kitten looked like a whitewashed or
semi-bleached version of Motley when she showed up
a year ago - and Motley's arrival was almost identical!

The difference was the growling from the kitten (Motley
got growled at, but didn't growl back), and that the
kitten was labeled.  She didn't want to go outside,
however, so I let her stay in the house until Janet
brought Muffin back - then I took her out to show off,
then set her down.  She tried to come back once -
I have a feeling she'll be back.

It was after that my two girls got on the bed together.
So it may be they decided that bad as each other was,
at least it wasn't *THAT* thing!

I still haven't found the "X" that's on my door that
says "this house has cats - good for petting/food/toys!"

Diana
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: rusty@nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov (Kenneth Hall)
Subject: Re: whiskers
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: rec
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 10:15:00 GMT

In article <1gr44lINNa08@rana.usc.edu>, amanda@rana.usc.edu (Amanda Bischoff) writes...
>In article <199215.2246.4428@dosgate> "doug powless" <doug.powless@canrem.com> writes:
>>        Hi all!
>>
>Um, are you *sure* your son didn't have anything to do with it?  Years ago
>when my brother and I were very young, my mother discovered that our cat
>Spooky (R.I.P.) was missing his whiskers on one side -- he had only short
>stubs.  In a panic she called the vet, who suggested she speak to her
>children.  Turns out my brother was playing "barber" with his safety scissors.
> 
>Amanda

Very young is one thing... my roomie is another.  Just after we 
brought Doc in I woke up to a cat with the whiskers on one side 
trimmed very short.  Enough was heard from me, one problem I am also a 
former dog owner/groomer (of Boxers).  So, when his parents paid a 
visit who was the first one to get blamed.  You guessed it and I very 
quickly yelled at the roomie to fess up and he sat there laughing his 
arse off.  

I know that one day Doc will get even with him for the clip job.. I 
just can't wait to see the results.

]R
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson)
Subject: Do your cats know their names?
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 22:30:32 GMT


All 3 of my cats know their names and will come (or at least look to
see if I have kitty treats) when I call.  Most people find this hard
to believe, and I was wondering how many other peoples' cats know
their names.  Its funny because the right cat will look up and meow
at me!!!    


Jamie

the pack:  Kenzie   -- 1 yr old black Lab X
           Meggin   -- 8 month old Australian Shepherd X
           Harrison -- 4 month old Border Collie X

the herd:  Kieri -- 5 1/2 yr old lilac point Siamese
           Zak   -- 5 1/2 yr old blue point Siamese
           Duke  -- 1 yr old seal point Siamese



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From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Wheezing, hack in 15 yr. Siamese
Date: 17 Dec 1992 16:05:18 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

the End (jgraham@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:

: Please help us.

: My moms 15 yr. old Siamese-Burmese cross breaks into a heavy wheeze, then kind
: of scrunches down trying to hack up something every coulpe of hours for a 
: minute or so. He seems partially successful as he swallows, and then stops for
: some time.

: The vet is clueless, but showed us that he has an enlarged heart.

: Is this an allergy ? Hairball ? If hairball, does anything work ? He has
: been given cortizone, but it doesn't seem to help. It may have at first
: (allergy) but not any more. Antibiotics are not helpful either.

Information that I have seen for dogs usually lists coughing as one of the
symptoms of heart problems.  

Karen

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: ren@Turing.ORG (Karen Prestemon)
Subject: Re: alternative disciplinary measures?
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:25:45 GMT

In article <1gg9mtINNgiq@FUNCTOR.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU> loosemore-sandra@cs.yale.edu (Sandra Loosemore) writes:
>One disciplinary tactic that seems to work well with my cats is to
>make a loud growling noise -- GRRRRR!!!  They're both absolutely
>terrified by this and usually stop whatever they're doing and run away
>and hide.
>

My husband makes growling noises at the cats and it works well.  Also,
I am asthmatic and have an apparatus that helps me get inhaler medication
into my lungs better.  It makes a horn-like sound when I breathe too
fast, and it really scares the cats.  It is akin to a harmonica if you
want to try that as well.

(It's bizarre, I know, but it does work! :)

--Karen

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: Jack_Webb@mindlink.bc.ca (Jack Webb)
Subject: chaplin...
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 19:53:37 GMT

I read your letter, and was saddened by Chaplin's passing.

I salute you for your strength in letting him go when his "quality of life"
declined... it shows what a caring person you are.

our thoughts are with you...

*j & stig & jasper*

--
WE SAIL TONIGHT FOR SINGAPORE - WE'RE ALL AS MAD AS HATTERS HERE!!

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From: das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: a very sad day for me....
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:50:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Yet Another Graphics Project, Bellevue, WA

Deepest sympathies from KC, Oreo and me.
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Debbie Schwartz // das@voodoo.ca.boeing.com  // ....uw-beaver!bcsaic!voodoo!das
From: bette@wc.novell.com (Elizabeth Brennan)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: a very sad day for me....
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:32:24 GMT
Reply-To: bette@wc.novell.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Novell, Inc.

In <1992Dec16.122538.1@stsci.edu> lhuffman@stsci.edu writes:

>Well, Stink died. I asked the vet if Mink would miss him and the vet said 
>no, they don't think or feel like we do. But I can tell you that Mink grieved 
>so that I saw I was losing him too. When I brought in little kitten Mort who 
>kept us all on our toes (cuz he was a Tuxedo kitty and that's what Tuxedos do) 
>it was only a few days later that Mink adopted him and began to take an 
>interest in living. I do believe that cats form attachments and grieve when the 
>attachment is broken, whether it is for people or other cats.

I hope you got a new vet to go along with your new cat. Of course cats don't
think or feel like we do, they think and feel like cats, that's why we like
them. Anyway, that doesn't mean that they don't grieve. I'd be real concerned
about a vet who had so little empathy for his/her patients, no matter how
technically competent.

Since it's often hard to tell from writing, I'll state explicitly that I'm
flaming this vet, not you. That must have been a very horrible and confusing
thing to go thru. You have my sympathy...and I'm really glad it worked out
for you, Mink and Mort.

Bette
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Mischievous Black Cat
Date: 14 Dec 1992 06:14:20 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

MICHELLE A. M. SZENA (mas5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu) wrote:
: My little Merlin is 9 months old and he's hell on paws.  He's been neutered
: and I thought that would have slowed him down but it hasn't.  In fact he's
: gotten worse.  He's all black and only weighs about 8 pounds.  I have a female
: longhair (Pookie) who is 2 years old and outweighs him by 9 pounds.  So to me
: he looks tiny and he's very skinny but eats like a horse.

He might be part Siamese.  The colorpoint gene is recessive and crosses to
sealpoint siamese very often produce black cats.  Merlin's build also suggests
this.  Do you know anything about his background?  Does he talk much?  

Karen

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke;S10000)
Subject: Tumors, pain, anesthesia, procedures
Organization: Washington State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 20:39:39 GMT

Two postings today seem to indicate people think anesthesia is a greater risk,
or more detrimental, than cats with unknown tumors or undiagnosed chronic
respiratory disease.

In general, not.  The most painful part is what it costs.  The anesthetic
risk is there, for sure, but it is *not* a major risk compared to systemic
illness.  The risk of anesthesia is significantly of concern in cats with
severe liver, cardiac, kidney or respiratory disease.

It is also something to think about in a perfectly healthy cat (i.e. why
subject a healthy cat to anesthesia?).


Also, many folks are of the opinion cats either don't feel pain or are
incredibly stoic about it.  I don't know which is true, but it makes it hard
to speculate about when and how they feel pain.


---------------------
Jeff Parke <jeffp@vcs10.vetmed.wsu.edu>
also:   jeffp@WSUVM1.bitnet     CIS: 71511,1512    AOL: JeffParke
Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine class of 1994
Pullman, WA  99164-7012
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: snoopy@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com (Cindy Camp)
Subject: Re: Cat Dancer and other toys
Organization: Denver, Colorado
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:53:43 GMT

In article <BzGy26.1p09@austin.ibm.com> betty@funky.austin.ibm.com (Betty Riggle) writes:

>  At the same time I purchased the Cat Dancer, I bought a fur mouse toy.  It
>had an interesting life as a toy.  Spot took one look/sniff and said basically
>"What the heck am I supposed to do with this?".  Delilah (who in her youth
>was quite a huntress) thought it interesting.  Di attacked the mouse, and
>proceeded to "kill" it.  After ripping out the fur and detaching the tail,
>Di was extremely upset to find that this "mouse" didn't have any juicy
>insides like the "real" mice she use to catch.  After finding out this
>unpleasant fact of toy mice, Di has ignored the fur mouse.  So now it is
>another dead toy.

That is interesting.  One of my cats' favorite toys is one of those
fur mice that she has torn the inside out of.  It has no eyes, no
tail, no nose, no stuffing, just a piece of fur.  She will spend
hours carrying that thing around yowling, and I find in on the bed with me
in the morning when I get up.

Strange cats!

  

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From: rhaller@ns.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: giving cats a bath
Followup-To: rec.pets.cats
Date: 17 Dec 1992 20:53:34 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rhaller.cc.uoregon.edu

I am about to embark on a serious attempt to de flea my house. I don't have
a bad infestation, but a persistant low level one.

One thing I would like to do is to give both my cats a flea shampoo. I
don't plan on doing this frequently. I usually flea comb them, but I want
to pull out all the stops this one time.

Any advice on how to proceed to give a flea shampoo bath to cats who
haven't had a bath before in a way that will be least traumatic for all of
us? I will check the FAQ, but I would appreciate individual inputs.  How do
you feel about taking the cats to a 'grooming' parlor instead?

-Rich Haller <rhaller@ns.uoregon.edu>   University of Oregon, Eugene, OR,
USA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: mpmarie@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (MARIE HUCOVSKY)
Subject: feeding strays
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 18 Dec 1992 13:44 EST  

I am responding to someone who said they were putting out generic food for 
some strays.  I am sure whatever type of food you feed these strays, they 
will be grateful for.  I'll bet it is "gourmet" after having to scrounge 
for food in the wild.  I had spotted a stray cat in my neighborhood last 
august.  I named the cat Wiley and began putting out leftovers for her 
because she was just skin and bone.  I did not know if she would live.  
After about a month she started putting on weight.  In October I trapped 
her and took her to the vet to be spayed and vaccinated.  I thought she 
would not be friendly and I planned to just return her to the wild and to 
continue feeding her.  Surprise!  She turned out to be the sweetest most 
love starved animal I've seen.  I could not let her loose and so I tried 
and tried and tried to find her a home.  I could not keep her myself even 
though I wanted to very much.  My last resort was to take her to a nearby 
APL shelter (all the shelters in my area were full and not taking pets).  I 
cried when I left her there and all the way home.  I contacted them the 
next day to give instructions that I would take her back if no one adopted 
her.  I was told she had to be put to sleep because she had contracted 
feline leukemia.  I cried again, but I realized that I had save her from 
having to die all alone out in the cold maybe even a painful lingering 
death.  Also the last week she was alive, she received lots of love and 
affection, a warm bed to sleep in and lots of good food.  I still cry when 
I think of her though.

Thanks for listening and hope that my story will help someone trying to 
decide whether or not to help stray animals.

Marie 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats