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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:56:30 CST
From:         "Bob Bates" <BATES@SMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Temp disk space.
              10 Sep 1992 06:14:08 TUR from <RITTERBUS001@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU>

Quite some time ago I wrote something I called DISKMAN that worked in
conjunction with VMSECURE and VMARCHIVE that allocated a minidisk to a
user I called DISK and updated DISK's User Rules so that the requesting
user could link to it without a password.

The disk had an expiration date and the files would be archived before
it was scratched as a backup. The DISKMAN machine would allocate it's
disks from the GENERAL user pool, however, a separate pool could be set
up for it to use.

I wrote this under VM/SP 4.2 and it worked under HPO 5. The messages
changed in XA and I haven't tried to rewrite it as it was not used that
much here. I still have the code if anyone wants it.
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VM Sys Pro                                    I'm an atheist.
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:42:49 EDT
From:         "Steven P. Roder" <TKSSTEVE@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: ind$file running on cms reading os files

On Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:36:00 EDT John F. Chandler said:
>> >We have a user that is link to an MVS disk from cms.
>...
>> If the MVS catalogs are ICF catalogs, then you cannot do it, since CMS does
>> not support reading ICF catalogs.  CMS does support VSAM catalogs.
>
>What do catalogs have to do with it?  CMS has a link to a virtual disk
>which happens to be in MVS format, so it presumably goes in and reads
>the VTOC.  My guess is that the best bet for reading a file from an OS
>disk is to establish a CMS fileid by issuing a FILEDEF of the form
>
>  FILEDEF ddname DISK name type mode DSN data.set.name
>
>and then referring to 'name type'.  Unfortunately, this might work only
>if the program uses OS-simulated I/O for reading the file.
>                                  John

This is what I could not get to function when the MVS catalog on the linked
volume is an ICF catalog, rather than a VSAM catalog.


Steve Roder
(tkssteve@ubvm.bitnet | tkssteve@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu | (716)636-3564
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 09:30:17 EDT
Reply-To:     "D. Poor, CUNY Graduate Ctr., Sociology." <POO@CUNYVMS1.BITNET>
From:         "D. Poor, CUNY Graduate Ctr., Sociology." <POO@CUNYVMS1.BITNET>
Subject:      county business patterns data set

Hi:

I am looking for a set of the COUNTY BUSINESS PATTERNS
data for the five boroughs of New York City, Suffolk,
Nassau, and Westchester counties in New York state and
Putnam and Rockland counties of New Jersey with the
breakdown by SIC codes, number of employees and number
of establishments.  The years I am interested in are:
1950, '55, '60, '65, '70, '75, '80, '82, '84, '85, '86,
'88, '90.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Dan Poor

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Daniel Poor                    Mailing Address:
Sociology Program                630 Ft. Washington Ave. 5B
CUNY Graduate Center             New York, NY 10040
BITNET: POO@CUNYVMS1.BITNET              (212) 781-1306
INTERNET: POO@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU   FAX:(212) 229-5315
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:40:54 EDT
Reply-To:     "Donna J. Souza" <SSDC@BROWNVM.BITNET>
From:         "Donna J. Souza" <SSDC@BROWNVM.BITNET>

The Libraries of Brown University are beginning to organize a central
resource of machine radable data files (MRDF). Initially, we will
concentrate on social science data such as census and general social
surveys.

I would like to ask for your feedback on how you deal with the
various services that are necessary to such a resource. In particular,
I would be interested to know the general support services, staff,
storage of tapes/CDs/diskettes/documentation, collection policies, and
circulation policies.

Please e-mail:  Donna J. Souza
                SSDC@BROWNVM

      telephone:  (401)  863-2518
      address:    Brown University
                  Rockefeller Library - Serials
                  Box A
                  Providence, RI  02912
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 07:22:43 EDT
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Comments:     Originally-From: bob pasker <bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us>
From:         Jim Cassell <CASSELL@UNCVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      NEW LIST: SOCHIST - New Social History list

FYI--Jim

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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
SOCHIST on LISTSERV@USCVM    New Social History List
        or LISTSERV@VM.USC.EDU

   Briefly, this list will address three aspects of what is called the
   "New Social History":

      (1) emphasis on quantitative data rather than an analysis of prose
      sources.

      (2) borrowing of methodologies from the social sciences, such as
      linguistics, demographics, anthropology, etc.

      (3) the examination of groups which have been ignored by traditional
      disciplines (i.e.  the history of women, families, children, labor,
      etc.)

   To subscribe, send e-mail to

        LISTSERV@USCVM.BITNET or listserv@vm.usc.edu

   with the single line in the BODY of the e-mail:

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From: tek@ms.uky.edu (Thomas E. Kunselman)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.sos-data
Subject: data for stocks, mutual funds, etc.
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:08:29 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

I was wondering if there is some CD or tape or site, that has data
available on stocks and mutual fund performance over the last however
many years?

I'd also be interested in High Low Close for some ofthe indexes, etc. 

Does anyone sell this information, or provide it pd?
-- 
Thomas Kunselman                               {rutgers,uunet}!ukma!tek 
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Date: Saturday, 5 Sep 1992 10:25:59 EDT
From: Andrew A. Beveridge <ANDQC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.sos-data
Subject: STF3 for the Nation

Dear All:

I have a client who needs national STF3 data for the US as a whole; regions; st
ates; msa's; and places.  This will be available in STF3C, but they are in a hu
rry.

What would it cost to produce a tape with this data for the U.S. from the STF3
files.

My assumption is that this would be done by someone who has the files direct fr
om the Census or through a 3rd party.  We would need them as soon as possible
of course.

We only have New York, NJ and Connecticut.  They should be provided in standard
form on 2400 foot tapes (6250 BPI) or on 3480 cartridges.   Ebcdic is preferred
.
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Date: Saturday, 12 Sep 1992 14:21:44 EDT
From: Andrew A. Beveridge <ANDQC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.sos-data
Subject: Re: county business patterns data set

Dear SOS-DATA:

CUNY being a member in good standing of the ICPSR has most of what Mr. Poor
wants.
In article <00960806.6BA37252.3294@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu>, "D. Poor, CUNY
Graduate Ctr., Sociology." <POO@CUNYVMS1.BITNET> says:
>
>Hi:
>
>I am looking for a set of the COUNTY BUSINESS PATTERNS
>data for the five boroughs of New York City, Suffolk,
>Nassau, and Westchester counties in New York state and
>Putnam and Rockland counties of New Jersey with the
>breakdown by SIC codes, number of employees and number
>of establishments.  The years I am interested in are:
>1950, '55, '60, '65, '70, '75, '80, '82, '84, '85, '86,
>'88, '90.
>
>Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks, Dan Poor
>
>===========================================================
>Daniel Poor                    Mailing Address:
>Sociology Program                630 Ft. Washington Ave. 5B
>CUNY Graduate Center             New York, NY 10040
>BITNET: POO@CUNYVMS1.BITNET              (212) 781-1306
>INTERNET: POO@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU   FAX:(212) 229-5315
>===========================================================
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:27:03 MET
From:         "P. Gotwalt" <U001210@HNYKUN11.URC.KUN.NL>
Subject:      Re: How do you feel about DIRECT INFO?
              3 Sep 1992 19:24:55 EDT from <ucnick@SOCRATES.UMD.EDU>

Sorry for the last posting. It was meant for Nick only. But my
plea is universal I think.

Many greetings

   Peter Gotwalt
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From: xmas@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mark A. Stevens)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.l-vmctr
Subject: Reusing volids during DASD conversion
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:19:19 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

I'm using VMSECURE's CHGMDISK to move CMS minidisks from 3350's to
3380's (single density.)  When I get there the volid is one I have
allowed for, but since two 3350s, 554 cyl, sort of, fit on a 3380, 884
cyl, I really wanted to reuse the old volid(s).  Short of moving the
CMS minidisks on the receiving volume, again, can I get the directory,
VMSECURE and whatever else, see that VMPK13 really should now be
VMPK03?  Thanks in advance.
-- 
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:38:08 EDT
Comments:     Resent-From: Gary Sponseller <SPONSELL@AKRONVM>
Comments:     Originally-From: Gary Sponseller <SPONSELL@AKRONVM>
From:         Gary Sponseller <SPONSELL@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Direct ( lack-of / impossible to get at ) Info

I have printed the following e-mail and faxed it to my SCI rep for
consideration.  This is now officially Enhancement Request # 42626.
Please call SCI and add your name to this enhancement number if you
are interested in electronic access to SCI information, zaps, etc.
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
On Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:22:52 EDT Mike Ramundo said:
>I understand that a for-profit company only has to pay a negligable fee
>( relative to what we all pay for maintenance ! ) ( i believe <<5K )
>to become connected to BITNET.
>
>I think we should demand that Systems Center connect to BITNET and
>bring up LISTSERV.

I think that SCI and we would be better served by doing something similar
to what SAS Institute did (change sas.com to sci.com below):

- get an internet connection (sas.com)
- get a copy of listserv     (listserv@vm.sas.com)
- create a discussion list   (xxxx-l@vm.sas.com)
- install an ftp server      (ftp.sas.com)
- make zaps available by ftp
- allow upload/download by ftp
- run a tracking server over internet e-mail (support@sas.com)
  which will locally merge tracking from e-mail with the main tracking system
- have direct e-mail contact between customers and tech support personnel
  (I contact my SAS marketing rep via e-mail pretty regularly)
- and any other thing I may have left out.

Now I do not work for SAS, but I am quite glad that they are this progressive.

I would point this out to your SCI contact verbally *and* in writing.
Sometimes describing what you already have going with another commercial
vendor will help more vendors to look into electronic access with more
determination.

I believe I have given the particulars of BITNET access to someone at SCI
at least twice over the last couple of years.  Commercial restrictions
of BITNET may be the stumbling block for SCI.  I'd expect internet access
would be a better bet in the long run.
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:58:38 EDT
From:         "Nick Gavrielatos" <ucnick@SOCRATES.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      bitnet/internet

(I hate the unix editor vi....)

Earlier I replied to a note from Gary Sponseller who
wrote that he was contacted by someone from Systems
Center twice the last few years, and I replied saying
it was me... however the lines of his text were
somehow deleted and my text appears to answer nothing
of a reference...

Its not my fault(of course :-) ), its that vi editor thing
that's doing all these ugly games to me...

Nick Gavrielatos
ucnick@socrates.umd.edu
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 23:20:10 EDT
From:         Leonard Boyle <LENBOYLE@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: How do you feel about DIRECT INFO?
              3 Sep 1992 19:24:55 EDT from <ucnick@SOCRATES.UMD.EDU>

On Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:24:55 EDT Nick Gavrielatos said:
>Ok folks, here is your chance. I passed some negative
>info for the dial-up DIRECT INFO at Systems Center,
>and now management asked me to check this out a bit
>more. They want to know how you feel about it, and
>what you like, or what you dont.
>
>You can write to me personally instead of this list,
>and try not to hit me too hard, just a couple of years
>ago I used to be at your side.
>
>I will pass all comments I received to management.
>If you want your comments to go anonymously, then
>simply dont sign your name underneath, as I plan
>to strip off all headers completely. If you want
>your comments to go under your name, then simply
>put your signature file or your name and orginization
>underneath your comments.
>
>I will not pass anyones comment, to anyone else, ie
>if JIM@NOWHERE sends me a note, JOE@somewhere.else
>will not see it, ie your notes will be confidential.
>
>One last request: Please be short and to the point.
>Present your arguments and make your case.
>
>So send me your comments about direct info. Tell me
>why its difficult, why its easy... why its useful,
>why its a pain...
>
>At this point I would also like to thank Bob Fowles
>from Penn State for the info he sent me on INTERNET,
>who knows, maybe we'll get lucky this time.
>
>Nick Gavrielatos
>SCI Customer Services
>ucnick@socrates.umd.edu

I believe in the past that several sites have had SCI zaps stored under
the control of listservs. If SCI were to do this either thru one or
more Universities or themselves would this be against the bitnet or
internet rules? If they had it on a machine not connected to bitnet
or the NSF background would that be ok? But on a machine that could
send or receive mail from bitnet or the internet.
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:57:21 EST
From:         Ron Wigmore <SYST8103@RYEVM.RYERSON.CA>
Subject:      Using UNIX DASD/Tapes As "VM Tapes"

I have not researched this in too much depth yet, but since someone
else may have also looked into the same thing, I thought I would
ask the net before spending too much time persuing a dead-end.

Tapes for Backups/Archives, storing these tapes, and having Operators
mount them takes a lot of time/resources.  What I would like to do
is exploit our UNIX systems by using VMSC DASDtapes.  Once a Backup/Archive
job completes, a separate routine would send it over to a UNIX system.
Depending on the type of DASDtape (eg. not the current Full Backup nor
a Daily) the DASDtape is then erased.

Although we have tens of GB of data, by switching to a 'One DASD per
Full backup job', we are only talking about moving 500 MB per Full backup
in the middle of the night, so we would not be tying up our network.
Also, since we have a very low Restore/recall rate (about 3 per night)
we would not be constantly moving huge files from the UNIX system back
to VM (during the middle of the night).

If we could implement this setup we would be one giant step towards
automating Operations.  There are difficulties that we would encounter,
and we would have to write up a bunch of local routines, not to mention
spending some money on additional UNIX DASD (but very cheap, as compared
the cost of VM DASD), but these are negligible compared to the cost of
having Operators and using tapes.  Especially when you consider our very
low recall/restore rate and that the extra traffic on our network will
be occuring in the middle of the night.

So, my question to the net is, is the above scenario feasible?  I know
that taking this approach will introduce complexity into our backup
procedures (we will still use DDR, though), but I don't see these as
being too negative, given our budget situation.

Does anyone see any major pitfalls with taking these approach?  Is there
something that I am missing that would make this a no-go method of doing
backups?  Any other suggestions?

Thanks,

Ron,,,
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 08:40:45 EDT
From:         Richard W Wiggins <RWWMAINT@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: How do you feel about DIRECT INFO?
              7 Sep 1992 23:20:10 EDT from <LENBOYLE@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>

>
>I believe in the past that several sites have had SCI zaps stored under
>the control of listservs. If SCI were to do this either thru one or
>more Universities or themselves would this be against the bitnet or
>internet rules? If they had it on a machine not connected to bitnet
>or the NSF background would that be ok? But on a machine that could
>send or receive mail from bitnet or the internet.

As I understand it this is a grey area.  It is certainly okay for
a company to ship fixes over the Internet.  If a company uses the
Internet as its sole or primary path for customer support, there
might be a problem.  The commercial data networks would no doubt
scream "unfair competition".  The NSFnet Acceptable Use Policy
doesn't seem to proscribe shipping fixes per se, but it does
prohibit "Extensive use for private or personal business".

/Rich Wiggins, Michigan State U
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From:         "P. Gotwalt" <U001210@HNYKUN11.URC.KUN.NL>
Subject:      Re: How do you feel about DIRECT INFO?
              3 Sep 1992 19:24:55 EDT from <ucnick@SOCRATES.UMD.EDU>

HI Nick

Although you might be talking about the US Direct Info services, I
want to comment on the situtation in Holland & Great Brittan.

We are a Dutch account and comunicate (for software problems) with
System Center Great Brittan. The people there are very helpfull.
They have a dial in Bulletin Board too. But most of the ZAPs I get
from support can't be found on that BB. What's even worse.... the
German System Center User Group have a listserv at DGOGWDG1 were
you can get more ZAP's than on the Brittish BB! But even the
listserv has only a limitted number of fixes available. Most of
the time I end up typing pages of hex numbers.
As I know there is an EARN/BITNET - IBMMAIL gateway in France.
I can use it to get to IBM people. But Great Brittan is a problem
within IBMMAIL. They have different register policies. I have spoken
with the support center in GB about this but they 1) don't know
how to make the IBM folkes to register me at the France gateway, or
2) just don't have the time (which I can understand, I like them to
fix my problems, not playing with the network).

An Internet connection would be the BEST sollution.
An internet connection would help in the following areas:
  - normally we fax info to SC support in GB & they 1) fax it
    again to the US (hardly readable at that time)
    2) type it & send it to the US
    This costs a lot of work and the loss of data is evident.
    With a good internet connection this would be 1) fast & 2) no loss
    of data.
  - Getting info from SC would also be 1) fast 2) direct aplicable 3)
    no corruption of data (Is that hex number a D or 0, 8 or B etc..)

So PLEASE get an internet connection.

Many Greetings  Peter Gotwalt
                Systems manager
                gotwalt@uci.kun.nl   (internet)
                U001210@HNYKUN11     (bitnet/earn)
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 02:08:08 EDT
From:         "Nick Gavrielatos" <ucnick@SOCRATES.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      Direct info-please send comments

First of all many thanks to all how replied. Unfortunately
the number is still below 10(!) in which case no much
can be concluded.

Secondly, please send me your comments if you havent already
done so, everyones opinion is important.

Nick Gavrielatos
ucnick@socrates.umd.edu
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