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From: tjw+@pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RESULT: comp.society.folklore unmoderation fails 729:151
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:36:59 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <8145@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:

>>My thanks to the 729-odd people who said NO and saved alt.folklore.computers.
>
>...from the 28% of the net that can't get it; presumably, the wrong 28%.

Jay:  As a fellow ham, allow me to offer your site a feed of a single
ALT newsgroup: "alt.folklore.computers".  You can then get JUST this part of
the sewer.  You can offer a feed of just this part of alt to the rest of the
"28%" who want it.

Terry
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Newsgroups: news.groups,soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Soc.Motss.* / Automoderation.
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 02:59:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.223745.19613@dvorak.amd.com>
tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D.  Barrett) writes:

>I generally use trn's select to look at only the topics in soc.motss
>which is of interest... 

Since I use trn too, I wonder how you tell what's of interest
in light of the many mis-marked subject lines, etc.  Perhaps
your sense of participation in it is substantially less than
some other people's, too, for ...

>since this takes less than 5 minutes, I don't
>see what the need is to change anything.  

I wonder too whether you identify with the clearly expressed
frustrations that many, many people have expressed with the
status quo.  Even if you personally have habits or interests
that make a change unnecessary, it seems to me there have
been quite a few people who have this or that different
point of view about it.

There's a wider significance to my question, too, which is
that I can feature many changes in this world that would be
highly desirable, even though they would not benefit me
directly.

>"motss" has historic significance, but I would be willing
>to go with a change of names to something like "soc.queer".

My own major objection to soc.queer is that this term is
still too wounding for a great many people to bear easily.
I don't mind it as much as I once did, but I never use it
myself.

Thee is also something of a paradox; I would be very
surprised if soc.culture.jewish or soc.culture.african-american 
were to adopt a name like soc.culture.<epithet-for-that-group>.

<> Satire is a sort of glass, wherein beholders do 
<> generally discover everybody's face but their own.
<> --Jonathan Swift
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Newsgroups: news.groups,us.groups
From: stssram@st.unocal.COM (Bob Myers)
Subject: Re: Court Rulings Hierarchy
Reply-To: Bob.Myers@st.unocal.com
Organization: Unocal Energy Resources Division
	<adams.724019037@spssig> <yl#@byu.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:14:34 GMT

>>>>> On Fri, 11 Dec 92 13:35:24 MST, gritton@alaska.et.byu.edu (Jamie Gritton) said:

Jamie>    The reason I like a court hierarchy is, being made of all moderated
Jamie> material of the same subject, it stands apart from any other
Jamie> hierarchies. 

Hmmm.  How does it stand apart from "misc.*"?

Why not something like "misc.legal.courts.us", or if you must,
"misc.courts.us"?

Aren't new hierarchies pretty difficult to create (or rather, to
propagate), Jamie?  Maybe we can start a gritton.* hierarchy instead. :-)

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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: talk.politics.patriot
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:04:06 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1gjc0uINN2qa@news.UU.NET> brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) writes:
>I would like to propose a newsgroup for the patriot movement in the U.S.
>This would include discussions on rights violations by legislation, gold 
>and silver as payment for debts, freedom organizations and many other basic 
>US Constitutional topics.

I'm all for it, if it keeps the loonies in one place.
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Subject: Re: RESULT: comp.society.folklore unmoderation fails 729:151
From: system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 16:25:24 NZST
Organization: The Code Works Limited, PO Box 10 155, Auckland, New Zealand

jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (Joel K. Furr) writes:

> My thanks to the 729-odd people who said NO and saved alt.folklore.computers.

Contrary to popular belief, I'm not that odd (except for crop circles).

OBUl: Treasure worth $1,000,000,000 US lies at the bottom of Lake Cordillera
in the Guatavita Mountains [beyond the Voord Voord of Quoon], Colombia,
South America.


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From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Court Rulings Hierarchy
Date: 15 Dec 92 08:03:06 GMT
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Dec10.222840.10583@news.uiowa.edu> durrell@pinball.arcade.uiowa.edu (Bryant Durrell) writes:
>In article <1g8cbqINN9hh@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de writes:
>>In article <1992Dec10.200148.8280@news.uiowa.edu> durrell@pinball.arcade.uiowa.edu (Bryant Durrell) writes:
>>>Ask anyone in your countries who practices international law before you
>>>go off on this, OK?  Sure, *you* might not be interested, but then 
>>>again you aren't lawyers (I strongly suspect).  It's dangerous to be
>>>too profession-centric.

>>I could ask my uncle (he's a lawywer involved with international cases),
>>but then again I'd have to tell him what USENET is, or why somebody
>>would want to post such information, or whatever...

>Sounds like a worthwhile experiment to me.

Yes, it does.  It sets up a useful framework for the propagation of laws
to people who're interested, wherever they are.  Especially in civil
law, precedent in other countries is often useful.

I'd like to see courts.us[a].supreme, but probably not the individual states.

This issue does make it very clear that there should be a country
code in the newsgroup name to permit high-level selection of what is
desired.  If you don't want US law, you can either not ask your feed
to add "courts" to the feed, or ask 'em to "bang-out" courts.us[a].

If there's machine readable Canadian law out there somewhere, I could
help set up a USENET gateway to a courts.ca[n].*
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From: tjw+@pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.config,alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: RESULT: comp.society.folklore unmoderation fails 729:151
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:50:20 GMT
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <8175@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:

>Where I disagree with the hysterics of the alt.diehards is that over a quarter
>of the net should have to go through those gyrations to read what, by all
>accounts, is a very good group.

But ALT IS A SEWER!  It CAN'T be a "very good group" by definition!

>Still, they managed to generate a large turnout, and have won their point.
>Whether or not I manage to come in from the cold, just remember that a quarter
>of the net is still out there, shivering.

The net can either get themselves some blankets or get ALT.  It's their
choice.  If they're cold, they have no one but themselves to blame.

Terry
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From: Jay.Majer@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Usenet list?
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 15 Dec 92  15:40:42

 Is there someone who can send me a complete list of Usenet news groups?
 Specifically, I'm looking for a newsgroup that is directly or indirectly
concerned with Godzilla films and other Japanese sci-fi.
 Help is appreciated,
 Jay

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From: chae@mpd.tandem.com (Chae Yon)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: news group about cancer
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:38:11 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX


	Is there any news group about cancer or tumor??
	I have some questions about cancer and need helps.
	I thought I saw sci.med.cancer or something like that.
	Thank you in advance.
	Please email me (chae@devnull) or post it.
	-Chae
From: jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (Joel Furr)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Futility
Date: 12 Dec 92 07:18:23 GMT
Organization: Escape from Blacksburg, VA

> <1992Dec12.011712.8224@jato.jpl.nasa.gov>
Distribution: world
Organization: Dave Hayes Fan Club (Southwestern Virginia Chapter)

I have two questions:

Number one, directed to Dave Hayes:  Dave, what are you getting from this?  Do
you get some sort of adrenalin rush arguing with people over the insertion of
the word "makers" into the synth group's name?  Why don't you just give it a
rest?

Number two, directed to everyone else:  What are *you* all getting from this?
Why not just let it die?  I've never seen so many people gamely come back for
more argument when Dave's proved a thousand times over that he's not going to
let anyone else have the last word.

Don't answer.  Just shut up.  Both sides.  It's the only way either can win.
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: nareid@due.unit.no (Helge Nareid)
Subject: Re: RFD: talk.politics.patriot
Organization: University of Trondheim, Norway
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 09:05:55 GMT

In article <BzBAys.CGL@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>, jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
|> nareid@due.unit.no (Helge Nareid) wrote:
|> > thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
|> >> brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) writes:
|> >>> I would like to propose a newsgroup for the patriot movement in the U.S.
|> >>> This would include discussions on rights violations by legislation, gold 
|> >>> and silver as payment for debts, freedom organizations and many other
|> >>> basic US Constitutional topics.
|> >> I'm all for it, if it keeps the loonies in one place.
|> > And put it in the us.* hierarchy, so those of us outside the U.S. won't
|> > be bothered.
|> 
|> NO NO NO!!!  This is a golden opportunity - we should fall on our knees and
|> give thanks to Brian for proposing a group name that *doesn't* indicate in
|> any way that only US lunacies would be permitted.  A common meeting ground
|> for the talk.politics.guns crowd, Hasan Mutlu, Irish republicans, Croatian
|> rightists, Greeks wanting to annex Macedonia and Dave Yaddalee boosting the
|> British monarchy from Canada.  I can hardly wait.

I stand corrected - a global loonie group is a Good Thing - I withdraw
my objections. 

- Helge Nareid
From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: DAVE HAYES MAY BE RIGHT!
Date: 19 Dec 92 01:14:28 GMT
Organization: Data Factory Services, Harrisburg, Pa.

In article <1992Dec14.133146.8391@jato.jpl.nasa.gov>, dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes) writes:
> karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) writes:
> >  - The CFV was posted several times to rec.music.synth.
> 
> Out of an average of 75 articles per day...assuming 4 CFV's
> were posted over 30 days that's in the fractional percentages
> of the articles there.

No difference between this and the hundreds of other "Call For Votes"
posted to heavy traffic groups. 

> >    The ballot (CFV article) popped up in front of their
> >    noses unless they chose to prevent it from doing so.
> 
> Along with 75 other messages (asuming you read faithfully every day)
> and since CFV can mean "Controlled Frequency Voltage" and is one

Which makes no sense considering the rest of the subject line. Are you
inferring now that those poor unfortunates are too stoopid [tm] to see that?

> in over a hundred acronyms used on r.m.s...it's more likely to
> be missed.

Lots of newsgroups use acronyms. Without making claims I'll bet
somewhere there's another group that uses CFV for something. So what?
The SUBJECT line, if read carefully, would show the difference between
the "assumed" meaning and the REAL meaning. Is it too much for people to
read and COMPREHEND the Subject at that level?

> >This is the second time I've answered one of your idiotic
> >demands for Truth.  You get that from religion, not from
> >philosophy or politics and most emphatically not from
> >usenet.
> 
> How do you know where I get that? And who's truth do you think
> I am asking for?

Answering a question with a question. This is what makes it seem you
are simply goading people on in this "discussion" and not really seeking
some valid solution to your percieved problem. 

> >When will you tell us how to fix usenet, Dave?  If you
> >see the same news.groups articles that I do, you get
> >about three requests a day to put up or shut up.
> 
> Go away and come back when I do...or by your own criterion
> you are wasting your time.

Go away and start you own little net that works the way you want it to.
All you are doing here now is making a noisy nuisance of yourself. 

The successful votes that have concluded since you started this pathetic
whine-fest fly in the face of your claims that something is broken. The
only thing broken here is your attitude. Simply repeating the same tired
arguments and claims accomplish nothing. 

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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL:  Yes votes >= 200+2*No Votes
Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 23:15:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.202255.5783@wuecl.wustl.edu> amc@wucs1.wustl.edu (Adam Costello) writes:
>I don't see why there should be no-votes at all.

	I hereby call for discussion of the newsgroup
comp.protocols.tcp-ip.eniac.  Next week I'll propose rec.sex.  I'm
sure I can get 200 votes for those groups.  1/2  :-)

(BTW I support the movement to raise the number of yes votes.  I
made a similar proposal a few months ago, only mine was not a static
number, but rather based on the total estimated number of readers.)

--Dave
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Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.native
From: gst@spdcc.com (Gary S. Trujillo)
Subject: Re: soc.culture.native
Reply-To: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 22:51:01 GMT

In article <EMCGUIRE.92Dec18190408@mother.intellection.com>
	emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire) writes:

> ...why not make soc.culture.<whatever>.announce a moderated
> group and establish the moderator address as NATIVE-L@site?

Mike Wilson, who initiated this whole process, feels very strongly that the
Usenet newsgroup(s) should not be moderated.  I have assured him that the
fact that the mailing lists are moderated does not impose moderation on the
newsgroup(s).

> I can't tell if you meant that /all/ the mailing lists are moderated.
> If NATCHAT is moderated, do the same thing with
> soc.culture.<whatever>.talk; otherwise, mirror them.

Yes, NATCHAT is moderated, but it is presently linked with alt.native, which
is not.  If we can get a soc.culture.<whatever>.d newsgroup created, it would
be natural to switch the link between NATCHAT and alt.native to be between
NATCHAT and soc.culture.<whatever>.d.

Gary
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From: chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: How can I get my site to carry more groups
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:24:57 GMT
Organization: Pooh Corner Country Club -- A Planned Community

lagrangj@unvax.union.edu (Joshua C. LaGrange) writes:

>I'm at Union College, we run nn, we have relativelt few groups available.
>I've already sent a message to the sys-op here, but he ignored it.  What should I do?

Offer to pay for them.

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Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.native
From: idoy@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Mike Wilson)
Subject: Re: CALL FOR STRAW VOTE: NATIVE NEWSGROUP
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:02:54 GMT

gst@spdcc.com (Gary S. Trujillo) writes:


>In any event, if the vote is simply evaluated by saying that the choice
>with the most votes is declared to be the winner, I think we will obtain a
>fairly distorted result.  Let's take a look at the choices offered by Mike
>in calling for the straw poll vote:

Hello Gary,

A couple of things about the straw poll.  I will certainly not
declare any of them a winner, but I will instead present the
results of the poll and we can all discuss what they mean.  If
you like, you can apply what mathematical formulas you like to
them, and we can discuss that too.

The "choiced offered by Mike" were just the ones that had been mentioned
a couple of times. Of course, people can vote for whatever name
they want.  All will be included in the final tally and presentation
to news.groups.

Cheers,

Mike
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From: gst@spdcc.com (Gary S. Trujillo)
Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.native
Subject: Re: soc.culture.native
Date: 14 Dec 92 04:47:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec14.044749.13068
Reply-To: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting

In article <idoy.724301972@crux1.cit.cornell.edu>
	idoy@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Mike Wilson) writes:

> How does having soc.culture.native sound to you for the time being?
> It's the one name that really hasn't come under any heat yet.  For
> that reason, it's the one I currently tend to support.

Sounds good to me.  We'll just need to get past the objections of those
who feel that the more generic meaning of the word "native" is somehow
being lost in the shuffle.  However, unless someone has the intent to
use the name "soc.culture.native" for some other purpose, I think we're
safe.

Gary
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From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Subject: Re: RFD: soc.culture.native-america
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 10:28:04 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

brown@pollux (Daniel Brown) writes:


>We could always create "soc.culture.injun."  It's concise and unambiguous,
>and there's no need to create a new hierarchy.  (I'm joking, of course, and
>anyway, no PC person can flame me because I'm part Injun myself. :-))

Dan, I know you were joking but perhaps you've hit on a solution.
I like it!  Unambiguous with just enough levity to keep things from
becomming too serious.

John
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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: gst@spdcc.com (Gary S. Trujillo)
Subject: Re: RFD: soc.culture.native.america
Reply-To: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:33:24 GMT

[ I am cross-posting this article to alt.native, and advise others to
  do likewise. ]

In article <WARKENT.92Dec11100634@ltisun14.epfl.ch> warkent@ltisun14.epfl.ch
	(Ken Warkentyne) writes:

> From the time when I studied a bit of Linguistics, I recall that
> "Amerindian" was the technical term for the indigenous peoples of the
> Americas.

However, many American Indian people (many of whom prefer the the term
"American Indian" to Native American, despite what politically correct
non-natives feel) dislike the term "Amerindian" passionately.  The term
was invented by linguists and anthropologists, and is not a term that
the Native peoples of the Americas apply to themselves.

> I just thought of another suggestion: how about soc.culture.first-peoples?

That newsgroup name, like "native-american," cannot be used to support a
family of related newsgroups.  I strongly prefer "soc.culture.native," with
a "soc.culture.native.american" to follow when there's sufficient traffic
on topics specifically relating to the Native peoples of the Americas to
support its creation.
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From: swf@tools3teradata.com (Stan Friesen)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Give up, Dave, you've lost!
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:41:27 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Teradata Database Business Unit

In article <1992Dec14.215451.12692@jato.jpl.nasa.gov>, dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes) writes:
|> swf@tools3teradata.com (Stan Friesen) writes:
|> >You, and you alone, are responsible for the split.
|> 
|> *poing*

If you can't *say* something, don't bother to post.

You split the group by not accepting the vote.  If the vote had been accepted
by you, the group would have remained intact due to the normal transition
mechanism.

Thus, I stand by the statement - *you* are responsible, not anyone else.

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