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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:54:17 PDT
From:         Peter Uchytil <kentrox!ktxs8!peter@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      Re: Ensoniq KS-32
Comments: To: uunet!auvm.american.edu!synth-l@uunet.UU.NET

> Since I couldn't actually put my hands on it yet (they just started shipping),
> I am asking if anybody had a chance to try it.
>
> thanks
> furio
> --
> Furio Ercolessi
> Materials Research Laboratory           |   Intl School for Advanced Studies
> Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign   |   Trieste, Italy
> ercolessi@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu           |   furio@sissa.it
>

I banged on one a bit at my local money pit.  The keyboard feels nice.  If
you like piano action, this definitely has that feel.  I think I'd have to
have one in my setup for a while to see if I actually liked the feel or not.
I'm getting used to the "synth" feel.

From what I understand you are correct about a repackaging.  It sure seemed
like an SQ-232 (the new 32 voice SQ) with a new keyboard.  There were some
other new buttons, though.  I didn't have a chance to really go over them.
The board has some nice sounds and the sequncer (I know, why put a sequencer
in every box) is pretty darn good.  It's a nice sketchpad when you don't want
to boot your whole system.  AND, the one big advantage the on-board sequncer
has is that it can change the panning of tracks.  You can't do this externally.
That rather upset me.  I like parts moving in the stereo field.

If you want a 76-key weighted action board with some quality sounds, and
decent editing capabilities, check it out!  Oh, BTW, my aunt just bought an
SQ-232 for $1650 from my local dealer.

Pete
--
Peter Uchytil       | Kentrox Industries | "Don't give up on desire
uunet!kentrox!peter | Portland, Oregon   |  And you will have your day"
From: metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Skinny Puppy MIDI song files
Summary: IGMIDI, OGMIDI, etc
Date: 25 Jul 92 13:44:47 GMT
Organization: Atomic City

In article <1992Jul24.221851.651@sal.wisc.edu> rej@bob.sal.wisc.edu (Randy Jones) writes:
>markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher) writes:
>>	Does anyone have any MIDI songfiles for Skinny Puppy? Is there an
>>archive site for such things? 
>
>Why, sure. The tracks make heavy use of the IGMIDI (Industrial General MIDI)
>extensions to the GMIDI standard, naturally. It's a good thing that IGMIDI 
>is so comprehensive, because the songfiles just wouldn't do the original music
>justice without such definitions as instrument 912 (chainsaw), instrument 1692
>(Oberheim synthbass w/ Big Muff distortion) and instrument 4193 ("ta-take
>out my stomach, my kidneys...").

I will admit that I was skeptical when I headr about IGMIDI, but after 
seeing the comprehensiveness of the standard, I too have decided that
I no longer need to create my own timbres, samples or arrangements--
they're all there, yup. I was also intensely pleased to see the OGMIDI
(Obsolete General MIDI) standard adopted at the last NAMM show, with 
a new set of instruments like 24 (Polymoog strings), 25 (Polymoog strings
with the resonators in), 212 (CS-80 flat-out filtered pad), and 325
(Mellotron tape of a bunch of male singers screaming "CONFUSION!",
essential for recreating Patrick Moraz's FUTURE MEMORIES). Good stuff!

>To play IGMIDI files, you need either Roland's Sound Abattoir or the
>Proteus 4/Angst. The Roland is cheaper but the samples on the 4/Angst 
>are done much better. Especially the stereo Burroughs stuff, a nice touch.

Thanks, but I'll stick to OGMIDI. The Sound Waterbed is nice, but I'm saving
my money for the Proteus 5/QuartzCrystal....


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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: tonyb@juliet.ll.mit.edu ( Tony Berke )
Subject: Do I need a sequencer, notation program, or what?
Organization: M.I.T. Lincoln Lab - Group 43
Distribution: rec
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:30:32


OK, I admit it, I'm clueless.

Now that we've gotten that out of the way, here's my situation:

I just bought my wife a Korg C15 digital piano.  She wanted it so she
could brush up on her playing, but now that it's sitting there, I'm
trying to figure out how to integrate it into the rest of our musical
scene.

Specifically, we sing in an a-cappella group and I'd like to be able
to type, have my wife play, or better yet, scan, my sheet music into
some IBM PC-based software (a sequencer program, I presume) so I can
play it back at will, to help me learn my parts (I can't sight-sing).

It should be fairly cheap/easy to find something that does what I
need, but wait, there's more:

I also do a bit of recording work.  I'm thinking of buying either an
ADAT or a 4-track hard-disc recording system.  If I blow money on a
sequencer, I'd like it to have enough features to be able to control
an MIDI-automated mixer, effects, etc. without undue hacking.

Still sounds like I need a sequencer?  OK, the next twist is that
several of the people in the group write and arrange our material.  I
would think that this process could be sped up considerably with some
sort of software that would help out with the notation, preferably one
that would allow lyrics to be attatched to the music.  The hardcopy
wouldn't have to be publication-quality, but it shouldn't be torture
to produce, either.  I have visions that a sampler (or the HD
recording system) and a harmonizer could be added to this process to
give us a rough idea of what an arrangement would sound like when sung
(as opposed to just hearing my piano play the parts).

So is there a single PC application that can do all this?  I'm not shy
about spending a few hundred bucks, as long as I don't have to do it
several times on several applications that don't quite talk to each
other.

Thanks for any help,

Tony Berke (tonyb@juliet.ll.mit.edu)
From: zeiden@bashful.cs.wisc.edu (Matthew Zeidenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Kurzweil 1000PX
Summary: thinking of selling
Date: 25 Jul 92 22:16:20 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept

Hi, I have a Kurzweil 1000PX that I am thinking of selling,
as I have a Roland SC-55 as well, and I don't need both. 

Is anyone interested, and what do people feel is a fair
price? I paid $700 in a Guitar Center sale when I a bought
it.

Matt
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* zeiden@cs.wisc.edu			608-262-5786(w)    *
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music
From: quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia)
Subject: Re: Please help QUICK! M1 or SQ80? Urgent...
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:37:31 GMT

>Just a comment on the observation about the M1 sequencer.  I don't have
>an M1, but I do know several people who do.  Among them is a person who
>has a Masters degree in music and can play many instruments very well
>as a result of years of hard work.  He is a very capable composer and
>arranger.  He has an M1 and I have heard him do excellent work using
>just the M1 with its sequencer.  It seems to me that while a lot of 
>good music can certainly be made with the "right" equipment (whatever
>it may be this week), there is no substitute for real learned ability
>on multiple families and a thorough grounding in music principles to
>make a piece of useless equipment give account of itself.

Amen to that! No matter what what your local retailer or midi-guru tells
you, machines don't make music- people do- and you can't learn to do it
overnight.

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Haller)
Subject: MIDI Time Piece Users...
Reply-To: aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Haller)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 01:16:28 GMT



I am developing a Windows 3.1 device driver for the Mark of the Unicorn
MIDI Time Piece. The beta version will be ready in about a week - first
week of Aug . I am looking for a few beta testers. In order to test
this driver you will need:

	1. Windows 3.1 or 3.0 with MME
	2. A MIDI Time Piece
	3. The MOTU MIDI Time Piece IBM Interface card
	4. A Windows 3.1 or MME compatible Sequencer/Software.

This driver presents all of the features of the MIDI Time Piece: Upto 256
MIDI Channels (With two MTPs), SMPTE & MTC, Patch routing, Channel reassignment
, etc...

Please respond via e-mail at  aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu.


PCH
-- 
Peter C. Haller				|	'If you do what you
Lorain Products				|	have always done,
aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu 		|	expect what you have
"Are we having fun yet?"		|	always received.'
From: JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: SY99 has no peers?
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:42:00 GMT


K2000, need I say more?

John
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: wanted:  k5m editor for mac
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 18:34:04 GMT

James Chandler has Mac based editors for several Kawai modules (including the K5). They are very reasonable ($35 I think). He advertises in the classified section of Keyboard magazine (or was it Electonic Musician - maybe both). Email me if you can't find it and I'll look it up for you.


Shiv


shiv@bnr.ca
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: schickda@mot.com (David Schick)
Subject: Re: Will the real ALT.MUSIC.PROGRESSIVE please stand up!
Organization: Gagging Sloth Records
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:08:33 GMT

Some hypocrite posted:

>Personally, I don't think Kansas, Genesis, Queensryche, etc. belong
>in the alt.music.progressive.
>
>Why was this newsgroup created in the first place?

Hmmm.  Good question.  If I had half a brain, I might have asked the
question in alt.music.progressive, though.  @least, when my 
hypocrisy spews forth, it's more subtle.  Maybe what we really need
is a further breakdown of the newsgroup 2make it more obvious 2the 
naive.  Some suggestions:

rec.music.synth.for_sale
rec.music.synth.wanted
rec.music.synth.cooking.gas
rec.music.synth.cooking.electric
rec.music.synth.cooking.bbq
rec.music.synth.madonna
rec.music.synth.prince
rec.music.synth.ongoing_ensoniq_reliability_debate
rec.music.synth.why_doesnt_my_synth_work
rec.music.synth.newbie             
rec.music.synth.newbie.want_fullblown_midi_studio_for_500_or_less
rec.music.synth.stupid_newbie
rec.music.synth.depeche_mode
rec.music.synth.why_depeche_mode_doesnt_belong_in_rms
rec.music.synth.midi_spec
rec.music.synth.wav_files
rec.music.synth.mid_files
rec.music.synth.mod_files
rec.music.synth.pc_vs_mac
rec.music.synth.analog_vs_digital
rec.music.synth.best_sequencer
rec.music.synth.best_scoring_program
rec.music.synth.best_midi_interface
rec.music.synth.flamewars
rec.music.synth.techno_synthbabes

Seriously though, would any1 b kind enough 2post the rms charter?

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From: defrain@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Paul D. DeFrain -- aka master guru)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Live Performance Question
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:24:27 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <9207301925.AA06516@efftoo.boeing.com> crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM (crispen) writes:
>"John J. Ladasky II" <ladasky@NETCOM.COM>
>
>How about two shorter answers: (a) a programmable MIDI pedalboard,
>used on stages the whole world 'round.  (b) a sequencer (the cheap
>solution if you've already got one) which can send program changes,
>volume changes, etc. to all your devices.  Just "play" a new sequence
>at the start of each song.  This assumes that you can have a voice
>on each synth or sampler called "Silence" and an effect program on
>each effects box called "Bypass".
>
>There must be something wrong with a solution this simple.
>

Actually,  it works for me.  This is basically what I do.  There are
some difficulties but it works (most of the time).

Paul D.
From: metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Ensoniq KS-32
Summary: Dancing with a T8
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:27:52 GMT
Organization: Atomic City

In article <9207281838.AA01750@efftoo.boeing.com> crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM (crispen) writes:
>metlay <metlay@MINERVA.PHYAST.PITT.EDU> sez:
>>Humph. Well, for people who complain about light synth keyboards, I suppose
>>this is easier to find and carry than a T8.

>Oh, so we have a little girly man here, eh?  Can't you hang your
>Steinway around your neck and boogie around the stage?  Better spend
>some more time in the gym, metlay ;-)

If I had a Steinway, sirrah, I assure you that I would treat it with far more 
dignity than to put a guitar strap on it. As for boogying around the stage
while carrying heavy keyboards, I leave such things to William Sequeira, who
is in my experience the BIGGEST, MEANEST-LOOKIN' synth-dweeb on this group.
"I know what you mean about the T8, Mike. Carrying it with one hand gets 
kind of tough after a half hour or so." EEEK! |->

--
dr. michael metlay          \  "Warning: This is not normal music.
atomic city                  \  This is heavily processed pain."  
                              \ 
metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu \                       (r. miller)
From: JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: The K2000 vs. SY99 debate - SY99 Owner
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:18:00 GMT


According to Sweetwater Sound, the rudimentary SMF playback/recorder function
in the K2000 has been VASTly (sic) improved in a forthcomming version of the
software.  Suposedly, it is based on the Ensoniq model and, therefore, promises
to be a very powerful and easy sequencer...

As for MODULAR approaches.  What is so modular about a sequencer attached to
a synth with effects?  If you want to talk really modular (as in "That', like,
MODULAR, man!"), unless you are planning to talk Serge (i.e., probably the
only really modular synth still in production?), you're forced to talk K2000.
The whole point of VAST is it's modular approach.  The VAST acchitecture 
has been reduced (to the user) as a set of modules (i.e., in the algorithms),
which are chosen and linked (as in MODULAR) in order to produce the desired
timbral treatment.  Somebody listed all the DSP functions of the modules,
not too long ago.  Now, for every module you have an enormous amount of
flexibility in modulation routings.  Most modulators can themselves be
modulated from an incredible number of sources (including all the MIDI
continuous controllers).  Included in the modulator routings are the ability
to assign modules in combined FUN (functions, yes, real algebraic linear and
non linear functions).  Everything which is modulatable (and that is about
everything I could ever imagine wanting to modulate) has access to all the
modulation sources and routings.  This translates to the most elaborate
scheme for producing timbral changes available outside of an enormous
(i.e., I'm talking roomfulls of modules, here) modular analog synth.  The
acronym VAST (when pronounced) is, indeed, not hype.  Of course, to the
average r.m.s. reader who believes that there is anything modular about an
FM/Hybrid-sample playing synth with a sequencer and effects, the last paragraph
was wasted bandwidth.

John
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Via: uk.ac.leeds.ai; Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:08:41 +0100
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:05:28 BST
From:         The Brown Bottle <ross-c@DCS.LEEDS.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Tascam MDR-8
Comments: To: SYNTH-L@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU

>From: metlay <metlay@EDU.PITT.PHYAST.MINERVA>
>Subject: Re: Tascam MDR-8
>
>movie, and so it conquered the USA and then spread to the rest of the
>world (although Japan and Europe held out a long time, or so I've
>been told).
>

There were still beta tapes widely available, and new (and quite advanced)
beta players in Japan a few years ago, and I'm pretty sure there still were
in mid-91.

What interested me was finding in a surplus store a VHS hi-fi video that
had 44.1Khz 16 bit linear encoded PCM for a Hi-Fi track. This was about
late '89 early '90. When I phoned the manufacturer to ask about it, they
denied its' existence, even when I told them I had just seen one and
read the manual. I think it was a Hitachi, but can't remember. I never saw
one again, or any other digital audio VHS.

Now, what would THAT have done to home recording?

Cheers,

Ross-c
From: metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Wavestation discontinued? (was Re: Wavestation PCM cards)
Summary: Yes, no, maybe
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:24:44 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Atomic City

In article <OLA.92Jul20095255@vipunen.hut.fi> ola@vipunen.hut.fi (Ola Rinta-Koski) writes:
>>I checked with my local music store and they said there are 'more than 6
>>cards available' but they are hard to get now that the wavestation
>>has been discontinued. Try getting from Korg direct.
>
>  It has? In other words, the only product Korg has for the moment is
>the 01/W family?

Npot exactly. According to the last data I have, the Wavestation and EX
are no longer available, but the A/D is still being sold as a niche item.
Which is OK by me, since I regard the A/D as the best packaging of the 
idea, and the synth currently highest on my "to get" list. Anyone want
a Prophet VS in mint condition, with road case and the latest Wine Country
upgrade? Make me an offer....

>  It could mean that a) Korg is working on a follow-up to the WS or,
>more likely, b) the WS didn't sell well enough and they gave up on the
>concept. Ah well, nobody's going to discontinue _my_ WS.

Like I said, the idea has been isolated to a sort of studio niche. They're
not trying to sell them as keyboards because as a central sort of machine,
the WS is too left-field for most punters.

>  I'm not very familiar with it, but isn't the Frontal Lobe an
>expansion box for the M1 with which you can use your own samples in
>the machine? I wonder if it would be that hard for them to port it to
>the Wavestation...

According to at least two independent testers here on r.m.s, the PCM
Channel WORKS as is on the Wavestation, so you CAN build your own waves
and therefore wavesequences. I find this incredibly appealing....

--
metlay@  | 
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phyast.  |                                          --Space Cadet Stimpy
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From: craig@hadrian.uk.sun.com (Craig Barnes - Sun UK - IR  N + SW Group Region)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: SQ-2 brain damage
Date: 31 Jul 1992 09:15:52 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: craig@hadrian.uk.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: hadrian.uk.sun.com

Just a thought, the old ESQ1 would be rendered useless if the pedal control was set to volume and then the machine was switched off and on, the sequencer would play ok but the live part of the machine would be quiet. I just wondered if your SQ2 saw a volume change on it's base channel so lowering it's volume. The Presets would be fine and so would the sequncer, but until you send another volume change on the base channel the SQ2 will be quiet. A total reset of the synth would fix this.

Craig


Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: croehrig@carib.cs.ubc.ca (Chris Roehrig)
Subject: Re: Best Sequencer for IBM?
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 19:55:27 GMT

In article <63050@cup.portal.com> Darla@cup.portal.com (Kuby - Downs)  
writes:
> Mark,
> 
> =>I know that a lot of these things are available on the market,
> => but I would like to know what you people think the best 
> =>sequencer out there is.
> 
> IMHO, for Windows, I would have to say the new Calkewalk
> for Windows, especially now with the new real notation
> editing features. I think it blows all the others away, including
> the passport series.
> 
> For DOS, both Cakewalk and Voyetra are on top.
> 
>                                          Darla

Has anyone heard anything about Cubase for Windows?
I hear it is supposed to have notation editing as well as printing, 
as well as being a jolly good smashing sequencer that doesn't get in your
face like Wincake can do.
Only problem is that it doesn't appear to have been released yet
and/or no one in town has heard of it.

Chris
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: georg@dali.nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de (Georg Mueller)
Subject: Re: GLIB -> TX81Z
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:00:21 GMT
Organization: TH Darmstadt, Institut fuer Angewandte Physik

In article <9207281217.AA00655@efftoo.boeing.com> crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM> writes:

   >Here is a TURBO PASCAL program...

   Nope, sorry Hannu, that's completely unacceptable.  Real musicians
   don't write Pascal.

Yeah, FORTRAN 77, that's the ticket, any volunteers for the
translation. I'm on constant search for MPU stuff in FORTRAN.
	
	Georg.
Xref: sparky rec.music.synth:12666 comp.music:3818
From: nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music
Subject: Re: Please help QUICK! M1 or SQ80? Urgent...
Date: 24 Jul 92 11:08:51 GMT
Organization: Naff Green Shorts Dance Co.
In-reply-to: wendelct@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu's message of 22 Jul 92 13:30:00 GMT

In article <22JUL199208300815@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu> wendelct@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (WENDELCT) writes:

   Paul, hope it's not ttoo late.  I had a lengthy conversation just last
   night with an owner of a Korg M-1 just last night!.  He is a top song
   writer here in Nashville and swears by the M-1.

So f*cking what, I have to ask here. All this means, if anything, is that the
M1 is at least good for writing songs in Nashville. It's no good for (say)
serious synthesis IMO. If you're into Nashville music, fine, but if you're not
then this recommendation doesn't actually mean anything. It's like someone
saying "my five-year-old daughter has a Rolf Harris stylophone and loves it."
As far as my musical projects go, the recommendation of a Nashville top song
writer is no more relevant than that of a five-year-old.

   In fact, he sold me, it's something I've got to have now.

It's not going to make you sound like him, you realise, even if this is
what you want.

Nick.
--
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               nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk |     there in this bar?"
CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | "Dunno; count the Dr. Martens and
     cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk |     divide by two..."
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers