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From: amiller@ALMADEN.IBM.COM (Alex Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Cyclocross tires, anyone?
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:31:33 GMT

In <1992Aug17.201425.10298@reed.edu>
   tboyd@reed.edu (Toby Boyd) writes:

>  I'm hoping that the 'cyclers of the net will have some recommendations
>on tires for a couple of not-quite-cyclocross bikes. I'm thinking of
>putting Avocet's Cross tire on my Bridgestone RB-T, probably in
>its 35C width.

The Avocet Cross tire is good off-road and isn't too squirmy on-road.
I use the 700x32 size, which according to my calipers has a 28mm cross
section.  Off-road, the tires aren't as smooth as IRC Cross Country
tires, I think because Avocet's inverted tread design reduces the
tires air volume.

>  Also, one of my housemates is searching for a narrow 700 knobby tire
>which can be inflated to 100 PSI+.

The 700x32 Avocet Cross tires are marked "inflate to 95 psi."  I run
them around 100-110 psi (I weigh around 180 lbs, your mileage may
vary, etc..)

Alex Miller
amiller@almaden.ibm.com
From: mike@pyrdc.UUCP (Mike Whitman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Truck bed racks
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:05:41 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology, Government Systems


I have the fork mount that attaches to the side of the bed. It works great when
I need to take just 1 bike to a race quickly. I mounted it directly to the 
bedliner with bolts and a piece of backing metal strap. It holds fine. When I 
want to take more than one bike I use a rack that mounts between the sides
of the bed. This works better as it can hold wheels too. 

-- mike --
-- 
                 -=---------  Michael C. Whitman
               ---===-------  National System Engineer - Telecom
             -----=====-----  Pyramid Technology Corporation
           -------=======---  1921 Gallows Road, Suite 250
         ---------=========-  Vienna, VA 22182

	Phone: (703) 848-2050	Pager: (800)sky-page pin# 45300
	    mike@pyrdc.va.pyramid.com -or- uunet!pyrdc!mike
From: Greg_Tinsley@mindlink.bc.ca (Greg Tinsley)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bicycle Cops on the Beat
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:12:58 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Just to add to the list of cities using Bike Cops.  Add Vancouver B.C. to the
list.  Better late then never!

Hope they give these cops an effective cycling course first though.  It will
save them a lot of Blood-Sweat-And-Tears.

Later---->G.T.
From: mike@pyrdc.UUCP (Mike Whitman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Shift levers
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:44:00 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology, Government Systems

In article <1992Aug18.170532.12295@cascade.Stanford.EDU>, polly@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Polly Siegel) writes:
> 
> Many racers also use barcons.  A nice setup is to use a barcon for the rear
> derailleur and a normal downtube shifter for the front.  The barcons are easy
> to shift while sprinting and in the drops.  This is an especially nice setup
> for racing criteriums.  You also have the advantage over
> STI that you can switch out of indexed mode which is nice if you get a wheel
> change with an incompatible wheel.  The barcons are also lighter and a lot
> cheaper. (Even so, I think I still like my STI better ;-)
> 
A good example of this is in this month's Winning. Take a look at Spago's 
John McKinley on page 9. Barcon on right, tube shifter on left. I have seen
this setup at many races this year (crits). It seems to be more popular with
crit racers that keep thier hands in the drops most of the time. I have 
Ergopower shifters on my bike and won't go back to 'regular' shifting systems.
This comes from the keyboard of a confirmed Campy bigot :^}.


-- mike --
-- 
                 -=---------  Michael C. Whitman
               ---===-------  National System Engineer - Telecom
             -----=====-----  Pyramid Technology Corporation
           -------=======---  1921 Gallows Road, Suite 250
         ---------=========-  Vienna, VA 22182

	Phone: (703) 848-2050	Pager: (800)sky-page pin# 45300
	    mike@pyrdc.va.pyramid.com -or- uunet!pyrdc!mike
From: piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Nancy Piltch)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Spoke Gauges
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:37:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <k13m-sa.tomk@netcom.com>, tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes...
> 
>And metric measurements aren't all improvements at all. Nautical miles
>are based on the diameter of the earth. All navigational data is
>easier to handle in nautical miles than kilometers. And since

While meters are *now* defined in terms of the wavelength of a specific
atomic transition, the *original* definition of a meter was a fractional
part of the earth's circumference. A bit of back-of-the-envelope
calculation shows the kilometer to be very close to 1/10000 of the
equator-to-pole distance. A nautical mile is 1 minute of longitude 
at the equator - this from memory, it may well be latitude at the
equator. Approximating 1 minute of either coordinate as pretty close
to 1 NM works well for estimating distances, but fails increasingly
with distance from the equator. Navigational data is pretty easy to
handle in any set of distance units.

>you have a _good_ reason to deal in miles -- why not use wind speeds
>and other related sorts of data in that measurement also?

Well, based on navigation, you'd want *nautical* miles, not statute
miles, and wind speeds in knots. This system works fine. So does
metric. 


Nancy Piltch            piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov
NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland Ohio 44135
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From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jason T Milhoan)
Subject: Re: Bike cops
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 16:13:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.120312.29982@cis.ohio-state.edu> akins@flamingo.cis.ohio-
state.edu (gregory adkins) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.192310.18663@access.usask.ca> choy@skorpio.usask.ca writ
es:
>>Now that all these cities are getting bike cops, are they good at
>>chasing bikers? Leave the motorbikes out.
>
>They just started having 2 pigs on bikes at Ohio State.  They
>were quoted in the student newspaper as saying [paraphrased]
>    "We hope we never have to chase a bicycle"
>
>The first time I saw these cops they were wearing standard
>issue black slacks and leather work shoes.  Since then
>they have been given non-biking shorts and tennis shoes.
>But I doubt if they could give anybody that rides
>more than 20 miles a week any serious competition.

Hah!  I have seen them too.  One was a rather rotund male, and the other a
female.  I remember laughing to myself as I jay walked in front of them.  Not
laughing at them, but rather the type of people that were chosen.  The woman 
might be a good rider, I dunno, but the man was way out of shape.  I'm no 
Tomac, but I could be this dude if I was on foot.


Now OSU has mounties too! :)

JT
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: choy@skorpio.usask.ca
Subject: Hard accelerations
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:58:20 GMT

I've noticed that I can accelerate really hard when I start with a
low gear and shift up up up while pedalling fast. F=ma. Gravity
helps.

Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston)
Subject: Re: All that fat
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:48:42 GMT

In article <33050136@hpmwgde2.sr.hp.com> budn@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Bud Noren) writes:
>I hope they find it only present in grape fermentations - in fact
>I hope they find it especially present in first growth Bordeaux - I
>could use a solid medical reason to lay in a supply of it. :-)

Sorry to spoil your dream.  :-)  I recently read that someone has
found this same compound, at useful levels I think, in grape juice.
If anyone really cares I'll try to find which magazine.

	Cathy
-- 
Cathy Foulston + Rice University + Network & Systems Support + cathyf@rice.edu
Actually I'm not clueless.  I'm conceptually challenged.
Important rule for out-and-back rides:  what goes down must come up.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: rpoldrac@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Russ Poldrack)
Subject: My clipless pedal purchase / summary available
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:59:48 GMT

Thanks to everyone who sent me suggestions or comments about pedals.
I think the SPD system received the most endorsements, with Time next
and then Look.  The SPD pedal system is nice but I could not easily
find any serious road shoes that were compatible so I decided to
ignore the biggest piece of advice.  I ended up buying a pair of last
year's Look PP96 pedals on closeout, along with a pair of Vittoria
900/AS shoes, from Colorado Cyclist.  The whole shebang cost me about
$180.  As of a preliminary ride with the ARC cleats, I am happy with
the combination.  

I would also like to recommend Colorado Cyclist.  The salesperson was
quite helpful and the prices were very good.

If you would like a copy of the entire thread on this issue (well,
most of it at least), email me.

Russ Poldrack
rpoldrac@psych.uiuc.edu
From: egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Poulidor's TdF record
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:48:30 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Aug18.232728.15539@mel.dit.csiro.au> mrd@koel.mel.dit.CSIRO.AU (Martin Dix) writes:
=>This is from the book "European Cycling" by Noel Henderson.

I can't believe that anyone would believe anything my father wrote.
I hope it's more reliable than his advice to me as a child!!



-- 
==================================================================
-Jeremy Henderson            |  Une souris verte
 egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk	     |  Qui courrait dans l'herbe
==================================================================
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From: arpepper@math.uwaterloo.ca (Adrian Pepper)
Subject: Re: A different twist on the taxes issue
Keywords: Frederick
Organization: University of Waterloo Math Faculty Computing Facility, Ontario.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:16:07 GMT

In article <1449700038@igc.apc.org> bfa@igc.apc.org (Bicycle Federation of America) writes:
>
>Well, for what it's worth, I've long contended that this whole notion
>of gas tax support highway and road construction is one thing, but the
>RIGHT to public access to the public right-of-way is something else
>again.  Where/when was it determined that we were going to give the
>whole of the public way over to motor vehicle use?
[...]
>
>Bill Wilkinson, Bicycle Federation of America
>202 332-6986   bfa@igc.org

Oh.  We are all so slow to understand, aren't we?

Driving a motor vehicle in North America is not a right, nor is it a
privilege; it is a duty.

Adrian Pepper.
arpepper@math.uwaterloo.ca
From: elephant@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Mighty Elephant Francis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Bicycle for sale:
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:41:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


ON SALE:
-- ----

Bianchi 58cm Columbus SL road bike:
600 Ultegra components, Cinelli X/A stem (130mm) and 64/42 bar;
Dura-Ace aero-seatpost; Turbo saddle; Mavic GP-4 rims (28/32);
Vittoria CX tubular front, Performance 250 rear;
Rear cassette hub: Dura-Ace 6 speed (non-hyperglide);
Look PP76 carbon pedals.  Crank-arm:  170mm.

This is an old frame (about 5 years), but still rigid, fits 5'10" and
above with inseam >= 31".  It has steep head angle: great for crit.

All of the above plus some extras:  training wheel set with 700x28
knobby tires!  Sidi revolution shoes (size 9), etc.

Price:  $600 obo (+ shipping)

Please call  (512) 479-6925    Francis 
or send e-mail to:             elephant@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
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From: miket@unislc.uucp (Michael Thompson)
Subject: Re. pros/cons of bicycle helmets
Reply-To: miket@unislc.UUCP (Michael Thompson,B2C04,4560)
Organization: Unisys, Salt Lake City
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:34:27 GMT


> I have yet to hear >a story where someone claims they wish they were *not* 
> wearing a helmet.  >I'm sure they exist, but I doubt they are plentiful.

This comment made me think of the old arguement against wearing seatbelts.
Some used to claim that seatbelts were unsafe in the event a car went into 
the water because the driver would not be able to disengage themselves fast
enough to keep from drowning.  Makes me wonder....has anyone ever heard of 
a cyclist drowning because they were unable to remove their helmet fast enough?            
(Yes I'm joking!)

      
      
Mike Thompson,                |    It's true, forgiveness IS easier
(801) 594-4560                |    to get than permission. ;-) 
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From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Subject: Re: Cyclocross tires, anyone?
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:35:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.201425.10298@reed.edu> tboyd@reed.edu (Toby Boyd) writes:
>
>  I'm hoping that the 'cyclers of the net will have some recommendations
>on tires for a couple of not-quite-cyclocross bikes. I'm thinking of
>putting Avocet's Cross tire on my Bridgestone RB-T, probably in
>its 35C width. Does anyone have any good or bad impressions of this
>tire? The literature on it indicates it has an inverted tread, much
>like the Continental Town & Country tires I have on my mtb. Unhappily,
>I haven't been able to find out the basics about it: PSI, weight, and
>so on.
>
>  Also, one of my housemates is searching for a narrow 700 knobby tire
>which can be inflated to 100 PSI+. So far all I've seen are the 
>Specialized TriCross, which do come pretty narrow (28C, I believe), but
>are also fairly low pressure (75 PSI). Are there any better choices?
>Does Conti make any cross-style tires, and if so, who carries them?

Michelin's Hi-Lite Cross is a really nice tire, and actually measures
within 1mm of its 700x28mm size/width.  Unfortunately, it doesn't have
the high pressure rating you desire.  These are butter-soft, so don't
ride them on pavement unless you absoolutely have to.

Conti has the CityGrip and CountryGtip tires.  These are 700x37C dual
purpose and dirt tires respectively.  Again, they don't have the
high pressure rating you want.  I've ridden these tires and can't
believe how nicely they ride given their size and aggressive tread
patterns.  They're also much more robust than the Hi-Lite Tours.

Bianchi offers some good tires under its name.  They OEM them from
several different manufacturers like Cheng Shin, National, etc.
Most are pretty light for their size.  Again, nothing with too high
a psi rating.

>Many Thanks,
>            TB


--
Mark Chandler               Novell, Inc.          510/975-4522
chandler@wc.novell.com      Walnut Creek, CA      510/938-2562 FAX
==================================================================
     The opinions expressed above are mine, not my employer's.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: rw@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Rich Washington)
Subject: wanted: pedals (platform, clip/strap type)
Originator: rw@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:22:44 GMT


I'm looking for a pair of pedals like the old Shimano 600
toe clip & strap type.  They're called "platform" type pedals,
and they have a triangular shape, with the toe clip coming out
from the point of the triangle.  I think that Shimano 600 and
Shimano 105 pedals are like that, and I think there were a
couple types of Campy pedals of that sort also.  Anyway, if
you have a pair around that you'd like to part with for not
too much money, drop me a note.

				Thanks,
				Rich Washington
				rw@cs.stanford.edu
From: you@taligent.com (Lawrence You)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: TECH:LASER welded frames
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:55:46 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: Taligent, Inc.

In article <1992Aug19.183313.10544@msc.cornell.edu>,
tan@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (David Tan,Box 219 Baker Lab,54810,2720402)
wrote:
> 
> I don't mean to cavil, but is "LASER" the same as "laser", or something
> proprietary?

LASER was probably more appropriate than "laser" at one time, because it is
an acronym.  LASER is Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of
Radiation.

This makes me wonder...

> This kind of welding presumably also has to
> be done under inert gas (the IG in TIG) to avoid incorporation of oxygen.

TIG?  That's "Tungsten Inert Gas," right?  Why not just call it tig?

By the way, Jobst Brandt writes about riding on "Avocet ROAD" tires.  I
think there are also CRITERIUM and other sizes too, but why capitalize? 
Maybe they're actually acronyms.  Let's see... ROAD = Ride On Asphalt or
Dirt.  CRITERIUM = Cool RacIng Tire for Energetic RIders Using Muscles.

(All this is to say that language is wonderful because of the variety and
the way usage evolves words into existence.)

-Lawrence

you@taligent.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: gmack@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Gregg Mack)
Subject: Re: ULTRA marathon cycling
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:46:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.171012.27467@minnow.sp.unisys.com> ralph@minnow.UUCP (Ralph Smith) writes:
>In article <9208071858.AA10396@hplomg.hpl.hp.com> BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
>>Gregg Mack writes:
>>
>>> Could the gear ratios have anything to do with this?
>>  [about no one ever riding 150 mph on rollers]
>>
>>No! And no one has even gone 100 mph.  Now that you mention it, I think
>>it would be a great idea to see how fast Howard's bike could be ridden
>>on rollers.  I suspect, not at all, because the gear is so high that no
>>one could get it moving enough to stay up.
>>
>>jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
>
>That makes ME wonder ... How did Howard ever get that bike rolling on the
>salt flats?
>

He used a tether line to the vehicle to get him up to 60 mph at which time he released
it. He was in radio contact with the vehicle driver and used this to help him acceler-
ate at the same rate as the vehicle.  BTW, he did use those pedals!  ;-)

-- 
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Motorola RISC uProcessors   ------ (*)/ (*)  (*)/ (*)  (*)/ (*)  (*)/ (*)
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From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: OPINIONS: Trek 2100/2300, etc: Specialized Epic Comp?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:47:09 GMT
Keywords: (Long)

jrawles@leland.Stanford.EDU (jody rawles) writes:
>In the recent discussion of the Trek line there is never any
>mention of the Specialized Carbon Fiber line.
>I am looking at upgrading from my '87 Trek 1000 (Al) to  a carbon fiber
>frame and am considering either the Trek 2300 or the Specialized Epic Comp.
>The difference in price is but a minor issue (~ $100) and am more concerned
>with performance.  Both the bikes come with either Shimano Ultegra.
>I am a strong fitness rider (150-200 miles/week) with visions of competing
>(road races primarily) in the near future (`93).
>I would appreciate any comments, but especially those comparing and contrasting

>-- 
>Jody M. Rawles					
>Department of Psychiatry 		email: jrawles@leland.stanford.edu
>Stanford University School of Medicine	voice: (415) 858-3914
>Stanford, CA 94305 USA			fax:   (415) 493-4901
I prefer my RB-1 over either of those bikes but you might like to know that
I've seen some very low prices on the Treks lately.  Alot of bike shops are
moving them out in preperation for the 93 models.  I'm talking about a $300
difference in price!  Check Velo-News ads for details.
-Terry
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Chain length
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:34:06 GMT

John Goble writes:

>> .... without the chain becoming slack or taught.
>                                           ^^^^^^
> I personally think that bicycle chains have no place in the classroom,
> regardless of length.  Besides, they have proven to be slow learners...

As it were, I was lying eggs on the rode of my own making.  Thanks for
the pointer and I hope I learn faster than a chain.  This and many other
homonyms are veritable land mines for fuzzy spellers as I.  I should
probably get back to my slide rule and invoke its syntax checker.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: caseb@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Gas subsidies and taxes (was Re: Bicycle Paths
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:49:50 EST

In article <1992Aug15.004100.2808@wmms.UUCP>, david@wmms.UUCP (David R. Mayne) writes:
 
> Do drivers solely pay for all the costs of roads and maintenance, and for the 
> damages incurred to the environment and others health ?
...

> Although some may have suggested  a large enough gas tax to effectively
> ban cars, others have suggested that drivers pay the actual costs of
> operating their vehicles, with some form of a gas tax as one
> way of implementing such costs (a la Dan Mocsny). This does NOT mean
> a call to ban cars or trucks, only that they pay their share.
...
> A gas tax is a suggested way of equalizing the current transportation
> policies which subsidize SINGLE OCCUPANT cars, encourages the consumption of
> scarce resources, destroys forests and wildlife habitation to build new
> or enlarge existing roadways, and contributes to a polluted environment.
> Maybe there could be other ways to equalize costs, such as adding
> roadway/highway costs, oil subsidies and environmental funding to the 
> initial cost of purchase of an automobile.

As I have said before, a gas tax would affect everyone, not just people 
who drive "too much".  You can be sure that unemployment and inflation 
would increase.  And I can promise you that low income workers would lose 
their jobs before the president of Exxon.

If the tax does not internalize the environmental cost of gas use, then
it simply reduces economic activity and our standard of living.  
Is that what we want?  Are we sure that burning gas will destroy the
planet?  Who is going to decide how low our standard of living should be
in order to save the world?

Brian Case

> -- 
> David R. Mayne         1372 Normandy Dr. NE             Atlanta, GA 30306
> david@wmms.UUCP        (404) 876-0943        ...!gatech!bagend!wmms!david
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