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From: marco@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Marco Petroni)
Subject: Coaching Changes in Genoa and Napoli
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines, Montreal, Canada
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 00:50:17 GMT

There have been a couple of changes in the ranks of a couple of Serie
A teams. First of all, Genoa coach Georgi resigned, following last
Sunday's Genoa - Cagliari match, blaming the lack of performance of
his team on himself.

Earlier today (Tuesday), Napoli coach Ranieri was fired from his post
by team president Ferlaino. Surely the performance of the team over
the past few weeks didn't help; a bad game against Milan on Sunday,
their exit from the UEFA Cup last Wednesday, and their current
position in the relegation zone of the Serie A table. The coach of the
Napoli farm team will take over in the interim, until a substitute is
found. Candidates being mentioned for the job are former Napoli coach
Bianchi, who last coached Roma last season, and former Italian
national team coach Vicini.

Marco...
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From: wth@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Tracey Haldane)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,eduni.football
Subject: Re: The Bright Side of Life ?....
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:01:28 GMT
Reply-To: wth@aiai.UUCP (Tracey Haldane)
Organization: AIAI, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <27977@castle.ed.ac.uk> efsv09@castle.ed.ac.uk (J Shaw) writes:
>eftv20@castle.ed.ac.uk (G C Stewart) writes:
>
>
>
>>ordinary. Rangers appear to have sownup the championship, but it's
>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>         
>>important that the pursuing sides don't give up hope yet.
>>     I should also add that Rangers also played very well on Saturday
>                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>>and contributed to what was I think, the best Old Firm footballing
>>match, I've ever attended.
>
>>     Revised league forecast,
>
>>1. Rangers   2. Celtic   3. Aberdeen   4. Hearts     
> ^^^^^^^^^^
>>5. Dundee U  6. Hibernian 7. St Johnstone  8. Falkirk
>>9. Partick T 10. Dundee 11. Motherwell 12. Aidrie
>
>
>>         Gerry Stewart
>
>Gerry what has happend to you since I last read a message of yours???
>Have you finally seen the light, gone totally insane, or has your body
>been taken over by aliens from Govan??? Glad you were appreciative of
>Rangers play for once!!!
>
>                                Cheers
>  
>                                James
You mean the UFO's that have been seen flying over Fife recently were
actually looking for Celtic fans and not the Raith Rovers fans.  Maybe
someone should tell the aliens that Fife isn't really near Glasgow.
Anyway from what I saw on TV, Celtic were very unfortunate to end the
game on the losing side.  They had most of the play.  Or was that the
media just trying to make the Celtic fans feel happy at how well their
team played - even although they got beat and the Celtic fans would
have to face some stick from the Ger's fans.
From: bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Liverpool back to normal
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:54:16 GMT
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam

cjd@pandora.cs.wayne.edu (Colin J. Dunn) writes:


>His success proves what most of us knew all along i.e. that
>Scottish Football is not played at the same standard as English Football!

Hahahaha! But they're pretty close to it! They both are lousy!


>Liverpool are down now, but they will be back. Let's start by getting rid
>of the lousiest manager we have ever had!

Be smart: hire a Dutch manager!

Mischa Bronstring

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: World Cup '94 : Tickets?
From: <SXK120@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:24:40 EST
Organization: Penn State University

Now that the schedule for the WC '94 has been set(at least the dates and sites)
, does anyone have info on where to write for ticket info/ orders ?  Thanks.

-Samir Khosla,  sxk120@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: budziak@vxcrna.cern.ch (Alfred P.Budziak)
Subject: CRACOVIA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:05:00 GMT

CRACOVIA-WAWEL 3:1
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Spanish Div.2 League
From: Juan Jose Mata <jmb3+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:38:22 -0500 
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

> question: if real madrid b or barcelona b win the second division, do
> they gain promotion to the first divsion? also how are the usa players
> in spain doing?

I don't know what the actual rule says, but I do know these teams always
remain in 2nd div. (five years ago Real Madrid B won it and stayed) as a
very good fighting ground for youn players and foreingers that don't
have a space in the full roster (only 4 foreigners are allowed a team).

Who knows, maybe the rule doesn't say anything against promoting the
team but it would be uinwise of the intitutions to do so and thy keep
them there overruling their chance!!!

Cheers!

		- J.J.


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#     Carnegie Mellon University - Sophomore    # 
#     Electrical and Computer Engineering       # 
#-----------------------------------------------# 
#     Go L.A. Dodgers !   Go L.A. Kings !       # 
#     Go L.A. Lakers !    Go S. F. 49ers !      #  
#               ! Hala Madrid !                 # 
#################################################

"How terrible is wisdom when it brings no profit to the wise, Johnny."
				-Louis Cyphre (Lucifer)
				 (Robert DeNiro in Alan Parker's Angel Heart)
From: schraag@fwi.uva.nl (Joost Schraag)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: EC2 / CWC results, second leg of second round.
Summary: played 4/11/92.
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:02:39 GMT
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
X-Should-Be-Newsgroup: rec.sport.football.real

Feijenoord (Holland) - Luzern (Schwitzerland) 4-1
    3' Taument 1-0
   13' Nadig   1-1
   16' Blinker 2-1
   50' Bertelsen of Luzern sent off after his second yellow card.
   55' Kiprich 3-1
   70' van Eck of Luzern sent off after his second yellow card.
   83' Kiprich 4-1 (penalty)
  Feijenoord wins on 4-2 aggregate.

Steaua Bukarest (Rumania) - Aarhus (Denmark) 2-1
   10' Christensen 0-1
   81' Cristescu   1-1
   90' Vladoiu     2-1
  Aggregate 5-5, Steaua wins on away goals.

Sparta Prague (Czecho-Slowakia) - Werder Bremen (Germany) 1-0
    7' Siegl
   90' Rufer of Werder sent off after his second yellow card.
  Sparta wins on 4-2 aggregate.

Olympiakos Piraeus (Greece) - Monaco (France) 0-0
  Olympiakos wins on 1-0 aggregate.

Boavista (Portugal) - Parma (Italy) 0-2
   12' di Chiari
   78' Melli
  Parma wins on 2-0 aggregate.

Atletico Madrid (Spain) - Trabzonspor (Turkey) 0-0
   48' Abdulla of Trabzonspor sent of with red card.
  Atletico wins on 2-0 aggregate.

Liverpool (England) - Spartak Moskou (Russia) 0-2
   63' Radchenko
   89' Piatnitski
  Spartak wins on 6-2 aggregate.

Antwerp (Belgium) - Admira Wacker (Austria) 3-4 (regular time 2-4)
   21' Czerniatinsky 1-0
   42' Severeyns     2-0
   46' Bacher        2-1
   57' Abfalterer    2-2
   63' Ljung         2-3
   80' Ljung         2-4
  102' van Rethy     3-4
  Antwerp wins after extra time.

joost.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Subject: Re: Gresley update plus other English non-league news
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:04:55 GMT

In article <BxI4u0.1K9@dcs.ed.ac.uk> dwb@dcs.ed.ac.uk () writes:
<The latest copy of Team Talk arrived yesterday so here is the latest news
<on Gresley Rovers.
<
< 3rd Oct GR 3 - 1 Barri
<10th Oct King's Lynn 1 - 4 GR
<17th Oct GR 1 - 0 Hinkley Town
<24th Oct Grantham Town 2 - 0 GR
<
<Table for Beazer Midland at 24th Oct
<			P	W	D	L	F	A	Pts
<Gresley Rovers		9	8	0	1	26	7	24
<Evesham Utd		12	7	2	3	24	19	23
<Nuneaton Borough	7	5	2	0	18	7	17
<Grantham Town		9	5	2	2	16	9	17
<Sutton Coldfield	6	5	1	0	20	10	16
<
<From the Sunday paper I see that they beat Dudley Town 5-2 at Dudley on
<Saturday (7th Nov) so they are still looking good.


Fantastic news!!!!  Thanks, Dave, for making my day!



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=======| Gresley Rovers FC:  Banks's Brewery League CHAMPIONS, 1990-91 |========
=======|                     West Midlands League   CHAMPIONS, 1991-92 |========
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: J.Scallon@lut.ac.uk
Subject: Rangers v Leeds
Reply-To: J.Scallon@lut.ac.uk (Julie Scallon)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 09:38:34 GMT


As a Celtic fan I would like to congratulate Rangers on their performance 
against Leeds. They played the more dangerous football over the two legs
and thoroughly deserved their win. For the sake of Scottish football I
hope they do well in the next stage and that the English commentators give
them more support than they did when playing against Leeds (Well they'll
have to since there is no other British team left in Europe).

Julie

Ps. I can't resist it Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha to all Leeds and England supporters

-- 
Julie Scallon
Loughborough University of Technology
Department of Computer Studies
Loughborough, Leicestershire LE11 3TU
From: marco@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Marco Petroni)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Anglo Italian Cup
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:46:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: thunder.1992Nov12.124642.26620
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines, Montreal, Canada

In article <BxLM5L.LL2@newcastle.ac.uk> D.P.Mousley@newcastle.ac.uk (D.M ousley) writes:
>
>Anglo Italian Cup
>
>group a
>
>ascoli 1 brentford 3            att 1000
>birmingham 1 bari               att 4970
		  ^^^^
Did Bari win or draw?

>lucchese 1 NEWCASTLE 1          att 744(500 of them newcastle!)
>portsmouth 2 cesena 0           att 4752
>
>group b
>
>bristol city 0 cosenza 2        att 3644
>cremonse 2 west ham 0           att 2000
>derby 3 pisa 0                  att 8059
>reggiana 0 tranmere 0           att ????
>
>group a
>newcastle were the omly english team not to win, good result for brentford.
>
>group b
>the italian teams had the edge here. who are top of serie b - is it cosenza or
>cremonse.

Cremonese is at the top of the Serie B table, but here is the complete
Italian second division table as of last Sunday:

		W	T	L	GF	GA	PTS
Cremonese	8	1	1	23	9	17
Venezia		6	3	1	18	7	15
Reggiana	5	5	0	14	4	15
Ascoli		5	2	3	16	8	12
Cosenza		3	6	1	9	6	12
Lecce		4	4	2	11	13	12
Cesena		4	3	3	12	9	11
Verona		4	3	3	12	10	11
Bari		4	3	3	14	13	11
Pisa		4	3	3	5	5	11
Bologna		4	3	3	10	11	11
Padova		3	4	3	11	12	10
Piacenza	2	5	3	8	8	9
Spal		2	5	3	7	10	9
Modena		2	4	4	6	12	8
Lucchese	1	4	5	8	12	6
Monza		1	4	5	4	11	6
Andria		0	5	5	7	15	5
Taranto		0	5	5	7	16	5
Ternana		0	4	6	7	18	4


Marco...
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From: mmuller@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Mark Timothy Muller)
Subject: Re: Soccer in U.S.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Reply-To: mmuller@ics.uci.edu (Mark Muller)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 10 Nov 92 09:22:36 GMT

In article <YezmhFC00iV1Q_3l5R@andrew.cmu.edu> ds7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (David D. Schwartz) writes:
>Russ Campbell writes:
>
	<stuff deleted>
>
>the youth level.  Whether or not there is some grand conspiracy crafted
>by some dumb f**k football coach(es) who hate soccer is a possibility, I
		^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	Are these the same people who told me a few years ago (in high
school) that soccer is a communist sport?

>
>that's fine in building some popularity, but in order to really jump
>start the sport, you need to get soccer personalities that kids can look
>up to, so that they can aspire to be just like them.  That is what we
>need!  Soccer role models!  There are very few American soccer role
>models that kids can look up to with pride, and why shouldn't there be
	Soccer is more of a team sport than any american sport.  It's
difficult to stand a player strongly superior to the rest, yes, occasionally
it happens, but not often.  The american sports you speak of (hockey is
canadian) are largly individualistic, i do not consider baseball a team
sport, and have never heard of a lineman temporarily 'switching' with a
running back in american football.

>
>If I were to look beyong the media's poor coverage of soccer, all I
>would find are the die hards that I find myself playing with year in and
>year out.  We need much more than what we currently have if we expect
>soccer to become popular here, that is, on a national level.
>
>-Dave
		true.  the media needs to be involved.

Mark.

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Anyone seen a good U-6 game of bunch-ball latly?   :)
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From: bocmunro@bnr.co.uk (Bruce Munro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Just laughing at England
Date: 5 Nov 1992 17:51:06 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bnsgs179.bnr.co.uk

In article <Bx8yzH.G1x@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> climiepd@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Delbert ( Peter Climie )) writes:
>
>Ha Ha Leeds!   Gubbed!
>
>
>It was great to see the English beaten. Scotland win the battle of Britain
>and prove to the world to have better domestic teams.
>

Not another triumphalist Scot! Jeez, you'd have thought they might have
noticed that Leeds have two Scots (including their captain), Welsh
players, and a Frenchman in their ranks. On the other side of the coin
Rangers most effective players were probably Hateley and Goram, one
very English and one born in England. I couldn't give a stuff about
whether a team's Scottish or English, it's the team I support not the
country. I get fed up when Spurs supporters start going on about
England sometimes, they seem to forget that the best player we have
currently, is Gordon Durie.

Better domestic teams my arse! Rangers are head and shoulders above the
rest of the Scottish sides and there are a few reasonable sides following
in their wake. The remainder are all minnows with tiny grounds and support
comparable with Wimbledon's. You should remember that Rangers have had
several excursions into Europe over the past few seasons, all of which
were very brief, and it's been a long time since any of the other Scottish
clubs made any impact at all. Got to go back to Aberdeen winning the Cup
Winners Cup I reckon.

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From: marco@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Marco Petroni)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Officiating Changes?
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:05:38 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines, Montreal, Canada

In article <Mf0vnfe00WB9NUiodv@andrew.cmu.edu> Saverio Cittadini <sc4n+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Well, the experiment made in the Stuttgart-Inter friendly (played in
>Monza last Wednesday) was not so dramatic. I wouldn't speak of "three
>referees": actually, the experiment consisted in allowing the linesmen
>to go up and down the whole sideline (instead of just half of it) and
>to enter the field (for 5-6 meters at most) when play is on the opposite
>side. According to the promoters, this way linesmen could be closer to
>play in many situations and thus they could give the referee more help.
>But the decision power would still be of the referee alone.

OK that clears things up, and makes it sound a lot better than what
I had heard over the radio. The RAI reporter mentioned "tre arbitri"
on both the Wednesday and Thursday evening sports broadcast
so I assumed that they meant three full blown referees (wouldn't you?),
not a modification of the current system with the linesmen having a bit
more freedom to move around -- sounds interesting.

BTW, for those who are interested in the outcome of the game, Stuttgart
defeated Inter by a score of 5-0 in this "experimental" match.

Marco...
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From: henrique@white.dfci.harvard.edu (Henrique M. Silva)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Brazilians all over !!!!!
Date: 13 Nov 1992 10:36:09 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


    I would like to know if there are Brazilians on the net!
    I am from Sao Paulo, where my Palmeiras has not won anything for the last
16-years, and I would like to get in direct contact with Brazilians. Sao Paulo
seems to be the team to beat lately, but I saw that Palmeiras beat them 3-0 not
long ago. Does anybody out there know more than the results alone, which by the
way are vrey welcomed. 
    Also, for all the Spaniards. What was that game in which Sao Paulo played
Barcelone in Spain supposed to be? Just a friendly? Well, Sao Paulo looked 
great, eventhough I am not one of theirs supporters. However, I am a proud 
Brazilian.
                  Go "VERDAO"
Henrique Silva
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Just laughing at England
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:44:10 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

bocmunro@bnr.co.uk (Bruce Munro) writes:

>In article <BxM32v.IC7@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:
>>
>>They then follow it up by stuffing it full of English sports like cricket
>>Badminton horse trials (ho hum), darts (yawn!), snooker (zzzzzz!) etc.
>>I don't recall having ever seen shinty, or curling on them.

>Well I hardly think shinty or curling are wildly popular among the bulk
>of the Scottish population, let alone the population of the UK as a
>whole.  Snooker on the other hand would appear to pretty popular there
>judging by the recent crop of snooker stars coming from north of the
>border.

Well now, snooker is an interesting case in point. Up until TV came along
it was very much a minority sport. Then the BBC grabbed hold of it, cleaned 
up it's image, followed by large cigarette companies who saw the opportunity
of surriptitious advertising. Both them pumped money into it like crazy and
the BBC started shovelling it by the barrowload to the viewer. Hey Presto!
it became popular. What a surprise!!! Can you say brainwashing?

As for cricket, it's about as popular up here as curling on the Lake of Mentieth
on a hot July day. Why do we have to endure endless hours of the Nat West
trophy up here when virtually no one is interested.

And show-jumping with whas-is-name Raymond Brookes Ward? C'mon, be serious!

The point is that if the BBC are going to network sports programs, they should
at least get out and give some exposure to those sports that are currently in
the same position as snooker was 20 years ago then perhaps they might enjoy
wider appeal. If the BBC want to continue showing sports that are essentially
of interest to English people, then the should keep the distribution down to
England and give the local BBC companies elsewhere adequate resources to go
and make their own sports programs.

When was the last time you saw Hurling on Sportsnight? The answer of course is
never.

When was the last time you saw the Badminton Horse Trial on Sportsnight?
The last time it was taking place of course.

Do you think that the people of Northern Ireland would rather watch hurling
or the horse trial?

If the Scots were given the choice of watching a Nat West cricket match or
the Cammanachd Cup final which do you think they'd plump for?

We don't get that choice. We're told what we're getting, and inevitably it's
sports of primary interest to English viewers and we don't even get the option
of switching to owr own local BBC for stuff that may be of interest to the
Scots as BBC Scotland has one solitary OBU trying to cover everything.

Enough of my ranting .....back to English fitba' Ha! ha! ha! ha!

:-)

Dave
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From: cbrasted@iti.org (Charles Brasted)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: English Soccer
Date: 12 Nov 1992 17:36:05 GMT
Organization: The University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: adelphi.itd.adelaide.edu.au

bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring) writes:

>louis@aie.nl (Louis Kossen) writes:

[another mindless windup deleted]

>Sidney & Mischa

>PS: Get a life!

Does the word xenophobia mean anything to you?  Perhaps there isn't such a
word in Dutch.  Anyway, I can't stand around wasting all this bandwidth
following up a post which has no place on r.s.s, I have to go and get a life. 
Hmmmm.  Now, where did I leave it?  Oh there it is, next to the "Famous Dutch
Logical and Rational thinkers" pamphlet.... it's a bit small.. oh silly me, it
is written by the r.s.s subscribers club.  

Cheers,
Charles.