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From: Hinding.1@nd.edu (John E. Hinding)
Subject: An opportunity to sprout onions!
Followup-To: rec.food.veg
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:31:03 GMT

A couple of articles have started me (John the wanna-be vegetarian)
thinking about a couple of questions I would like answered...  Actually
just one question for now.

How do you survive at a meat biased institution where you can't afford to
buy your own food?

There is constantly reference to getting protein by eating various grains
and vegetables, and that "one can get all the essential protein from a diet
of these."  I go to the University of Notre Dame where I find it nearly
impossible to stay vegetarian and not have my body crash on me.

I work out a lot, and I assume, use up a lot of protein (Yes, I have been
reading [and saving] the postings originally from Michael Traub...).  I
have been working out for over two years, but I didn't start having
problems until I went (almost) vegetarian.  Often now, my muscles begin to
ache for days on end and are only cured after I go on a protein binge at
the dinning hall (usually fish, peanut butter, dairy products and whatever
beans are available).  I don't think this is a psychosomatic (the reason
for the change in my diet was that I worked at butcher shop for a summer),
I mean I really have no desire to eat meat, and there is no craving (I feel
sick when I think of myself eating meat).  I have no problem eating fish
other than it is prepared disgustingly here.

What I want to know (I'll stop rambling) is: Is there anyone who can list
what proteins are necessary to the body, and what foods those can be found
in?  I realize that it is not neccessary to eat all the proteins at once,
but a 'variety of food' is not available to me and so I'm trying to get by
with a little planning.

Thanks in advance for any information...
From: bwl@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Bill W. Lowe)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Wanted: recipe for pickling Hungarian peppers.
Date: 5 Oct 92 05:04:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley CA

Does anyone have a recipe for pickling Hungarian peppers?

Thanks,
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From: abulsari@abo.fi (Abhay Bulsari VT)
Subject: Re: vegetarians in institutions
Organization: Abo Akademi University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 07:31:00 GMT

In article <4elFHky00WB9McxaRi@andrew.cmu.edu> Sudha Neelakantan <sn00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>coleman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Michele Coleman) writes:
>
>> reasons?  What's the situation in India, where vegetarianism is more
>> accepted?  
>
>I don't know anything about the army, but i find that
>in fact people are more tolerant of vegetarianism in this country than
>in India.  

This  needs  to  be  explained.   People  are  not  very  tolerant  of
vegetarians in the western world, but in India it is traditional  to a
large extent.  People don't  have much deeper  thinking  into why they
don't eat animals. As a  result, most of them start eating after going
to  a  foreign  country. Indians consume all kinds of  market products
(biscuits, etc.)  on which they can't see any ingredients listed. Even
if  they are listed, one need not believe them.  There is very  little
consumer  awareness which permitted marketting of  Limca (a soft lemon
drink) for years containing asbestos.  This leads to a  query  which I
have had for a long time and will put in the next posting.

>:-) of course that might be coz they expect it of a foreigner and
>especially an indian...

It is perhaps easy to spot foreigners in the country you are living in.

>Also 86% of Indians are *not* vegetarians.  ofcourse a large

This is nonsense. Over 50 % of the people are vegetarians (by Indian
standards of vegetarianism.) They will avoid eating animals when they
know something contains animals, but often they don't know in cases
like biscuits, bread, etc. There have been estimates of as high as 
75 % of the people being vegetarians in India.

Army in India provides vegetarian food. In the last few years, it
is even encouraged on grounds of economics.

With regards,


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From: gedge@cm.cf.ac.uk (Geraint A Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: "Murphy Brown" is a vegetarian
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:26:27 GMT
Organization: I'm at, not speaking for: Uni of Wales, College of Cardiff

ac@riemann.math.mun.ca (Alka Chandna) writes:
} Ozzy Osbourne['s]
} form of noise would probably be better
} classified as some kind of "heavy or hard metal".

Or 'hard rock'.

} a vast number of punk musicians
} are heavily into animal rights and/or vegetarianism.
} [...]
} 2.  M.D.C.

Love that group!  (Millions of Dead Chickens (-: )

} 4.  Crass is a premier punk band from Britain (now defunct).

Nice ambiguity there... (-:

Also, Conflict were a Brit punk band who were active in this
field, mostly vegetarian and `singing' about animal rights.

Flux of Pink Indians, I am told, had/have much a much stronger,
stance, as did Icons of Filth.

The fantastic, IMO, performance poet Benjamin Zephaniah is also a
vegan ("I don't drink milk and that stuff").  He does a great
dub poem about Christmas Turkeys.  Got to be seen, though.

Don't forget that the actress Julie Christie is a supporter
of animal welfare, doing the voice-over for the "Animals
Film".

BTW, last night I saw the clip of Murphy Brown when she responds
to the statement from Quayle on tv.  Good one.

Gedge "is anyone compiling that list?"
--
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From: amacdona@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: more famous vegetarians
Date: 30 Sep 92 10:16:16 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Sep29.124913.2167@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>, red_trek@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
> ....

> I would swear the same issue of Vegetarian Times mentioned somewhere
> in it that Fred Rogers, of the old American children's show "Mr. Rogers"
> was himself vegetarian.  I can't find the reference.  Maybe someone
> else can help with that.
>
	There is reference to "Mr. Rogers" being a vegetarian 
in the "Horn of the Moon" cookbook.

- Allison MacDonald 
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From: tara@socrates.umd.edu (Tara McDermott)
Subject: Re: AMA Blasts Animal Rights Group on Milk Panic
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:53:00 GMT

young@serum.kodak.com writes:

>> AMA Blasts Animal Rights Group on Milk Panic
>> To: National Desk, Medical Writer
>> Contact: Craig May of the American Medical Association, 312-464-5360
>>
>>   CHICAGO, Sept. 29 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The following statement is
>>attributable to M. Roy Schwarz, M.D., senior vice president of
>>Mdical Education and Science for the American Medical Association:
>>
>>   The American Medical Association is alarmed by today's allegation
>>that milk is dangerous and should not be required or recommended in
>>government guidelines.  There is absolutely no scientific proof to
>>support such a claim.
>>   The fact that breast milk is more healthy for infants than cow
>>milk is well documented.  Responsible research established this fact
>>years ago.
>>   For instance, we know that whole milk has the potential for
>>causing health problems in children up to 12 months and that breast
>>milk is recommended during that period.  However, whole milk has been
>>found to be nutritious for children 12 to 24 months and milk products
>>for children 24 months or older.
>>   The AMA continues to marvel at how effectively a fringe
>>organization of questionable repute continues to hoodwink the media
>>with a series of questionable research that fails to enhance public
>>health.  Instead, it serves only to advance the agenda of activist
>>groups interested in perverting medical science.
>>   The Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) is an
>>animal "rights" organization and, despite its title, represents less
>>than .005 of the total U.S. physician population.  Its founder,
>>Dr. Neil Barnard, is also the scientific advisor to People for the
>>Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), an organization that supports
>>and speaks for the terrorist organization known as the Animal
>>Liberation Front (ALF).
>> -30-

Which means that Since Neal Barmard (and thus PCRM) support a vegan
diet (mostly for health reasons), and PETA advocates a vegan diet
(mostly for ethical reasons) that they are actually the same group?
PETA is not the ALF.  PCRM is not PETA, and thus NOT the ALF.  I find
this type of affiliation to discredit an organization a really bad
habit.

Tara
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Great subject, I never considered making mustard at home.  

haven't tried these, but just some thoughts off the top of my head.

   sounds like you need some type of a base solution, or a thickening agent.
As a base solution, tofu which shouldn't add much taste to the finished
product.  A non-fat yoghurt would add some taste, good or bad.  puree the
vegies,mustard seed and vinegar together and sauce the vegies this way. 
Use a vegan flavorless jello to thicken.  Heat the water,mustard to boiling
and add a cornstarch/water mix to thicken.  You could make a mastard type
gravy by mixing water,vinegar,mustard seed,flour and sauteing over a medium
to medium high heat.

BTW, it might be easier on your breathing if you add vinegar after you
finsish any of the cooking techniques.

there a bound to be hundreds of other variations on this theme, looks like
it's time to experiment.

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From: chandy@marais.inria.fr (Chandra SHEKHAR)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Veggie Whoppers at Burger King (kind of!)
Keywords: whoppers
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:52:34 GMT
Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr)

In article <Bv3p3C.Au@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, xmpp@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Melody Paul)
writes:
|> In article <spray.716858077@convex.convex.com> spray@convex.com (Rob Spray)
|> writes:
|> >I happened to be seeking sustinence at a Burger King in Dallas
|> >last night.  "Do you have the Veggie Whopper?"  I ask the "Breakfast
|> >Lead" person.   "Oh, yes," she replied.  Seems they've had them
|> >available for about a year.
|> >
|> >What I got was a Whopper minus the patty, rather than the meat-free
|> >patty I was expecting!
|> >
|> >The counterperson was unfamiliar with any meat-free patty offerings.
|> >

This is one thing about US- or European-style cooking that infuriates me:
Meat eaters get to eat innumerable delicious looking dishes, but when
you ask for veg. you get a green salad or boiled vegetables! This attitude
really sucks. By the simple act of substituting potatoes, beans etc. for
meat, most of  those delicious-looking non-veg. dishes could be easily 
transformed into equivalent veg. dishes. All it needs is a little
imagination, which is sadly lacking in most restaurants and cafeterias.

|> >Oh, well, back to Taco Bell.
|> >
|> >Caveat Emptor.
|> >
|> >--Rob   spray@convex.com
|> 
|> What's at Taco Bell that's vegetarian?

I think you can get a Mexican Pizza with veg. toppings, as well as
the usual stuff like burritos, etc. But I'd recommend Del Taco
over Taco Bell, beacause there you can get some really *delicious*
lacto-veg. offerings, such as quesadillas, tacos, burritos, etc.
Be sure to ask for extra green sauce, though! The green sauce makes all
the difference. The quesadilla is particularly delicious with it.

There are no Del Tacos in France :-( French veg. food sucks!

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|> Technical Editor		Fax:      708/534-2042
|> Educational Computing Network	Internet: xmpp@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
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Chandy
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 21:57:04 -0400 
From: Sudha Neelakantan <sn00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: vegetarians in institutions

coleman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Michele Coleman) writes:

> reasons?  What's the situation in India, where vegetarianism is more
> accepted?  

I don't know anything about the army, but i find that
in fact people are more tolerant of vegetarianism in this country than
in India.  

:-) of course that might be coz they expect it of a foreigner and
especially an indian...

Also 86% of Indians are *not* vegetarians.  ofcourse a large
percentage of the population simply cannot afford meat except for a
few times a year and many will not eat beef if they are hindu or pork
if they are muslim.

Sudha

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
   Sudha K. Neelakantan     < Clouds come floating into my life,  
    The Heinz School of      \ no longer to carry rain or usher storm   
Public Policy and Management  \ but to add color to my sunset sky.
      Carnegie Mellon          >    - Rabindranath Tagore -
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From: young@serum.kodak.com
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: cow's milk
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:58:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: pixel.1992Oct2.155836.26854
Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Originator: young@sasquatch

In article <1992Oct2.093611.7275@iscsvax.uni.edu> howard@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>In article <mathieu.718031351@gdim>, mathieu@geod.emr.ca (Pierre Mathieu) writes:
>> young@serum.kodak.com writes:
>> 
>>>>a non-profit association of 2,000 doctors
>> 
>>>	...which is .005% of U.S. physicians...
>> 
>> Let's see now. By that figure, there are 40 million physicians in the U.S!
>> I thought the medical profession suffered from overpopulation in the U.S.
>> but this is amazing!! :-) 
>> 
>>>-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
>> --
>
>I understood that PCRM had about 2,000 members but only a small proportion
>of these members are actually doctors. Does anyone have the proportion
>of doctors, nutritionists, and other medical persons in the membership 
>of this group?

	Yes, World, there IS a typo: it should have been 5%.

	Now, as to YOUR question, Mary, I have an article which says that
	PCRM has roughly 50,000 members, about 2,000 of which are
	physicians, and about 1,000 of which are otherwise associated
	with the medical profession (nurses, etc.).


-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
From: davids@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (David Schwantner)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: What do you eat?
Date: 2 Oct 1992 11:09:11 -0700
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdde.sdd.hp.com

One of the things I struggle with as I think of how I would maintain a veg.
lifestyle is what do I eat? Please don't take this as an ignorant comment,
but I have always been into maximum variety, and going veg. means learning
a whole new way of thinking about what I can eat, so therefore, creativity 
is inhibited by lack of foundation.

So, I would like to hear what a week of eating would be like for a people
who are firmly established vegetarians. Please try and be concise, and use 
the following format if possible, and I will compile all the responses I
get by 10/15/92:

Sun.- Breakfast= thus and such
      Lunch = other stuff
      Dinner = more food
      Snacks = this and that @ 3:00 pm 
               that and this @ 9:00 pm
Mon.- etc...

Thank you ahead of time. And, please try and make this a historical record,
not just "this is what you could do", but "This is what I did last week".

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From: red_trek@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: National Veggie Weeknext
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:37:37 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

Ditto in the Washington, D.C. area

(Ocie *crow* Mitchell) writes:
> I would be interested in finding out what is going on that week in the Los-
> Angeles area.  Any news?
> 
> 
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From: pjh@eng.cam.ac.uk (Philippa Hogben)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: RECIPE: Potato Based pizza
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:28:34 GMT
Reply-To: pjh@eng.cam.ac.uk
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

As requested by therese@edu.berkeley.garnet I am including a recipe for a pizza
with a base made from potato. Hope you like it.

Potato Based Pizza (serves 4)

Base: 8oz (225g) boiled potatoes
      2oz (50g) margarine or butter
      4oz (110g) self raising flour (Note 1)
      salt and pepper

Topping: 6oz (175g) mature Cheddar, thinly sliced
         8oz (225g) onions, thinly sliced
         1 red pepper, thinly sliced
         1 clove garlic, crushed
         2 tbsp olive oil
         4oz (110g) mushrooms, sliced
         2 tsp red wine vinegar
         1/2 tbsp oregano
         2 tbsp tomato puree
         salt & pepper

Preheat oven to gas mark 6/400F/200C

Mash potatoes to a pulp with butter. Sift in flour and add salt and
pepper. Mix to a dough, transfer to a floured surface and nead lightly
until the mixture becomes soft and elastic. Roll out to a 10" (25.5cm)
round and place on an oiled baking tray.

Heat the olive oil in a large frying pan and fry the onions, red
pepper and garlic for 5 mins. Stir in the mushrooms, vinegar and
oregano and a seasoning of salt and pepper. Spread the tomato puree
over the pizza base and top with the onion and pepper mixture. Cover
with the cheese slices.

Bake on a high shelf for 40 mins. Check after 30 mins and cover with
foil if the top looks too brown. Serve hot or cold with salad.

Notes: (1) I see no reason why the flour cannot be substituted with a
           non-wheat flour plus some (eg 1tsp?) baking powder. I have
           not tried this though.

       (2) I think the last couple of times I tried this I didn't fry
           the onions etc. in advance, I just layered everything on
           top of the base and baked (my lazy cooking method 8-) )

       (3) The above topping was the one suggested in the original
           recipe which I have included for completeness. For 
           alternative toppings, simply use your imagination. 8-)


---
Philippa Hogben   pjh@eng.cam.ac.uk  (Reverse if mailing from Janet)
Any mistakes are mine, all mnie.

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From: mayne@open.cs.fsu.edu (William Mayne)
Subject: Re: cow's milk
Reply-To: mayne@cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 15:19:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.145038.10331@csrd.uiuc.edu> saarinen@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sirpa Saarinen) writes:
>
>However, on the NPR program that I listened to, I thought that the
>reporter then said in the end that "children have to drink milk anyway"
>(I wasn't listening so attentatively). So, if it is the case that when
>a study recommends that children don't need much milk and then the
>reporter rounds up by saying that they need, I don't have much hope for
>any kind of change in people's diets. 

I heard an NPR report on this (maybe the same one) and I did listen
attentively. I believe it was a physician from an opposing group which
said children should still drink milk because of the importance of
calcium and other nutrients. Other than giving the opposing side the
last word the NPR report seemed fair, balanced, and informative to me.
I can't say that about most NPR reports.

The opposing group characterized Physicians for Responsible Medicine
(the group including Dr. Spock who were coming out against milk) as a
fringe group with a hidden animal rights agenda who were trying to
promote vegetarianism.  They made it sound rather sinister.
Unfortunately "Responsible" in the name of a medical group has become a
left wing, counter-culture buzz word much like "family values" has been
adopted by the far right. (Note that I'm just commenting on a sad state
of affairs, not attacking the "Responsible" groups, with which I
generally sympathize.)

Bill Mayne
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From: adwright@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: Wheat Grass Juice and Leaf Protein
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 10:54:07 GMT

In <BvGIo3.Jxp@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:

>bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano) wrote:

>It seems unlikely that any grass is going to work as a human food supply;

You are right, not whole grass, but proteins can be extracted out of them.

>> Leaf protein as described in one old clipping I have is to take a
>> nutritional green such as spinach leaf and cook, strain, and extract
>> the juices to form a sort of green jello which is supposed to be very
>> high in protein and other nutrients, after discarding the cellulose, etc.

>Which sounds like a ridiculous energy expenditure for the nutrition you get
>out of it; far more than any Third World community could afford.  A recipe
>for spending all your available income on oil or for deforesting your
>neighbourhood for firewood.

What about using the discarded cellulose as a source of fuel?

>> I am also studying the blue green algaes and how to grow them for Third
>> World use, etc.

>These things taste disgusting and have a totally unacceptable level of
>purines for a human food.

There are ways to fractionate "these things" to remove the undesireable
flovors and purines. Moreover, any breeding effort to enhance desireable
gene expression and cut out undesireable traits could be fruitful. Since
some of these critters are nitrogen fixers, the implications regarding
sustainability, water quality, ect ...
 
>This whole line of thought is one even the World Bank is now ashamed of.
>It starts from the patronizingly racist position that Third Worlders don't
>have a clue how to feed themselves.  What Western researchers have finally
>been forced to concede is that they usually have a damn good idea of how to
>get the most out of their environment; naive scientism usually produces
>agricultural techniques that are non-sustainable, energy-intensive to the
>point of ruinous dependence on oil imports, drought- and flood-prone, or
>all those at once.

>What Third World farmers are lacking isn't *knowledge*, it's *power*.  If
>you're up against a land ownership system that hands over all the best soil
>for extractive use growing cash crops for rich Americans, get your water
>supply confiscated in the interests of agribiz, and get half what you do
>manage to produce stolen by a debt-bonding landlord, it's not surprising if
>you have problems growing enough to eat.

>-- 
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