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From: dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.sys.next.bugs
Distribution: world
Date: 25 Sep 92 10:20:08 PST
Organization: Not an Organization

>In article <Bv311G.88@uunet.uu.net> lusty@lusty.tamu.edu (Diana Kae Stanley) writes:
>		       CALL FOR DISCUSSION
>
>comp.sys.next.bugs	 Discussion and solutions for known NeXT bugs.
>(unmoderated)
>
>With the release of version 3.0 of NeXTStep has come a rash of bug
>reports, as would be expected with any major software upgrade.
>This group will provide a forum for discussion of new bugs and
>a resource for those looking for bug fixes and workarounds.
>
>Please note that discussion will be conducted on news.groups.

    I'm for it, but let's be careful not to turn it into an advocacy style
    group.  The charter should specifically state that the group is for BUG
    reports and posting of workarounds.  IMHO

    Reasons: There is a significant amount of traffic on all NeXT groups
    related to system bugs and workaroundsl.  Currently this traffic is
    spread over all the groups.  On purely organizational groups I believe
    that the addition of a 'comp.sys.next.bugs' group would be appropriate.

					-Matt

>--
>Diana Shoemaker
>lusty@lusty.tamu.edu

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From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.frp.board
Date: 30 Sep 1992 12:30:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


lunatic@netcom.com (Lunatic Johnathan Bruce E'Sex) says:

> rec.games.mecha

>    (_)n first consideration, this might appear to be too specific a
> group name.  Allow me to justify this proposed name.

[to paraphrase John's lengthy arguments]

1) There are a lot of mecha-based games of various formats.
2) Discussion of lesser known games may flourish on a separate board.
3) Warhammer would mostly not be included.
4) There will always be new mecha games.

I do not intend to comment on these arguments.  However...

You are now totally straying from the original intent of
 the RFD.  This is a completely different proposal.

>    (_
>    __)o those are my reasons.  If need be, due to the selection of
> an inappropriate name for this new proposed group and failure of its
> creation, I will submit my own RFD for a group named rec.games.mecha,

This is probably what you should do, although I have 
 some doubt as to whether either r.g.mecha or the
 current r.g.board/frp will pass a vote.
-- 
Francis A. Uy			now a Bawlmorean, hon.
Program Director, WUMD		ISO part time job to pay the rent.
From: mdebuitlear@vms.eurokom.ie
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD Alternative Medicine
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:34:21 GMT
Organization: EuroKom Conferencing Service

In article <7492@lib.tmc.edu>, jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
> In article <1992Oct5.092916.12010@vms.eurokom.ie> mdebuitlear@vms.eurokom.ie
> writes, in response to my contention:
>>> As long as you don't put it in the sci.* category, I don't really care. It
>>> isn't science, though.
>>Sweeping generalisations and closed minds certainly have no place in science 
>>either.
> 
> Well, when you can prove that any of the listed "alternative therapies" (I
> refuse to call it "alternative medicine", since it isn't medicine) works
> according to the scientific method, including such things as randomized
> double-blind tests, then you can call them science. I'm open to anything that
> can be proven scientifically.
> -- 

So your statement that they have all been PROVEN not to work is withdrawn ?

Micheal.
E-mail M.De.Buitlear@EuroKom.ie

> Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
>     Vote for a REAL change on 3 November: Throw out the check-bouncing,
>   tax-and-spend Democrat Congress! (obviously, not an opinion of UTHSCH)
From: bruce@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Bruce Stephens)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD Alternative Medicine
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:55:28 GMT
	<1aortpINNd00@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>
Followup-To: sci.skeptic
Organization: Centre for Mathematical Software Research, Univ. Liverpool, UK

>>>>> On 5 Oct 92 07:47:05 GMT, gusar@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Sean A Reith) said:

> YES!  I agree!  When science becomes stagant, elitist and unwilling to
> examine new ideas, it should no longer be called science (religion
> springs to mind, but it does not do justice to those whose religion is
> not).

Huh?  Is this _really_ how you see science?  I see it actively
questioning new ideas, for example in the numerous tests of
homeopathy.

The problem comes when a majority of the tests suggest that your
favourite "therapy" is 1) expensive, and 2) no better than a placebo.

The world needs to find some way of redistributing wealth so that we
can supply known, effective, and very cheap, vaccines to the third
world (amongst other things); it does not need more, expensive,
placebos.

Followups set to sci.skeptic, though perhaps alt.very.gullible might
be better.
--
Bruce Stephens
Xref: sparky news.groups:18461 rec.music.bluenote:7465
From: rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:06:08
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com
In-reply-to: mjs@fc.hp.com's message of Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:24:46 GMT

This discussion is getting a bit abstract. I'd like to bring it down
to earth a little. We're talking about taking a group that's chartered
to cover jazz and blues, and breaking it up into two groups: one for
jazz, and another for blues. 

As with any genre, it's hard to say exactly what "blues" or "jazz"
means. Nonetheless, all of us are quite capable of dealing with these
concepts out there in the real world. If you walk into a record store,
and see a section labeled "Blues", would you look for Coltrane records
there?  Probably, you wouldn't. If you saw in the newspaper that a
local radio station had a blues show, would you expect to hear Derek
Bailey's music being played?  Probably you wouldn't. If you meet
someone new and s/he says s/he loves to listen to blues, would you
think to yourself "ah, another Ornette fan"? Probably, you wouldn't.
Whether one should do anything of these things, in some more
fundamental philosophical sense, isn't really relevant to what we all
actually do in the world as it is. In real life, outside of esoteric
discussions in r.m.bluenote, we all know what blues means, at least
more or less.  We know what section to look in at the record store; we
know what to expect from a blues show; we know, at least roughly, what
someone means when they say they like blues or jazz.

When the proposal is made to split r.m.bluenote into a blues group and
a jazz group, it's these pragmatic real-world meanings of blues and
jazz that are meant. In every posting of mine on the subject, please
assume that I'm using the words in this way. 

I really think we should try to keep the discussion focused at this
level. The notion of a much more general blues aesthetic is a great
idea for a topic on the new r.m.blues, and I'll be delighted to
continue the debate there (where I will continue to uphold the
anti-essentialist position). But it really isn't relevant to the
simpler question we're faced with now: to split or not.

rs

Newsgroups: news.groups
From: wintert@wl.com (Tom Winters)
Subject: Re: Regarding sci.chem.organomet
Organization: Warner Lambert / Parke-Davis
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:38:41 GMT

I think the interest in the creation of a sci.chem.organomet isn't generating
much of a response due to its more specific nature.  A generalized s.c.organic
might be of more interest.  Additionally the problem may lay in the often visual
aspects of organic and organometalic chemistry.  Its much more common for us
organic and synthetic chemists to use structural diagrams when discussing most
aspects of our work, and interests.  The textual basis of the newsgroup doesn't
lend itself well to our sort of science, I feel.  

BTW my interests are in Organo-sulfur chemistry, particularly the Pummerer 
reactions and other sulfonium species.

Tom Winters                           | Internet wintert@wl.com
                                      | FidoNet 1:2200/101.0 (My BBS)

Newsgroups: news.groups
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Subject: Re: Re : TT is table-tennis
Reply-To: J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@larc.nasa.gov>
Organization: AS&M Inc
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:14:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.172311.5617@cc.umontreal.ca> desjarly@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Desjardins Lyne) writes:

   To: J.L.Jaap@larc.nasa.gov
   Subject: Re: TT is Table Tennis (Re: TT newsgroup)
   Newsgroups: news.groups
   In-Reply-To: <JAAPJL.92Oct2144043@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov>
   References: <43459@ogicse.ogi.edu> <1992Oct1.032102.13910@news.vanderbilt.edu> <JAAPJL.92Oct1142415@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov> <BvH9Ex.3GI@world.std.com>
   Organization: Universite de Montreal

   In article <JAAPJL.92Oct2144043@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov> you write:
   >In article <BvH9Ex.3GI@world.std.com> bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum) writes:
   >
   >   I'm glad somebody explained that!  I would have thought they were proposing
   >   a comp.sys.atari.tt newsgroup.  Instead, I think a table tennis group would
   >   be called rec.sport.table-tennis, or rec.sport.pingpong.
   >
   >As I expect it will be.  Since this isn't an official RFD, Dave L
   >didn't get to proofread it, and some slightly careless poster didn't
   >choose a good Subject line.
   >--
   >J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@LaRC.NASA.Gov> +1 804/864-2148
   >    employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at
   >         NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681-0001

   What do you mean by "Since this isn't an official RFD, " ?

What I was following up was not the official RFD.  (If it was, the
Subject had mutated from what Dave would have approved.  tale-standard
is `Subject: RFD: <group>', with some followup software inserting `Re:'.)

Lyne, if you meant your reply to be sent by email to me, it wasn't.
(I like the spelling of your name.)
--
J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@LaRC.NASA.Gov> +1 804/864-2148
    employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at
         NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681-0001
Xref: sparky news.groups:18568 alt.religion.kibology:4054
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Proposal of new group: soc.culture.kibonia
Date: 1 Oct 1992 12:34:26 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <1992Sep30.170957.6602@ennews.eas.asu.edu> sridhar@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman) writes:
>Since not everyone receives alt.religion.kibology we need
>soc.culture.kibonia.

   I think it should be a sci.* group, because lots of .EDU sites
have better access to that hierarchy. ;-)
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: not everybody uses UNIX to read news
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 04:38:01 GMT
Organization: None for me, thanks . . . I'm driving.

jfurr@vtssi.vt.edu (Joel Furr) writes:

> Killfiles are NOT mandatory for USENET participation...

Nevertheless, I think it's a damn sight ruder to expect an entire
newsgroup's worth of people to change their newsreading habits to suit one
person's fancy than it is to expect that one person to find better
newsreading software or a better site to read news on.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

The flight director says "GET BACK IN!"
From: malhotra@duke.cs.duke.edu (Manish Malhotra)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.sport.table-tennis
Keywords: I think that having a table tennis newsgroup is a great idea.
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:45:31 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.


I am all for this newsgroup. Many people have already listed
several good reasons to create this newsgroup. 

Let the voting start !

Manish
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Re: TT is Table Tennis (Re: TT newsgroup)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:49:45 GMT

In article <JAAPJL.92Oct1142415@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov> J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@larc.nasa.gov> writes:
>
>I assume it means `Table Tennis', since I remember a post a few days ago
>that spelled it out.

I'm glad somebody explained that!  I would have thought they were proposing
a comp.sys.atari.tt newsgroup.  Instead, I think a table tennis group would
be called rec.sport.table-tennis, or rec.sport.pingpong.

Bill Marcum  bmarcum@world.std.com


Newsgroups: news.groups
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.sys.next.bugs
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:00:58 GMT

lusty@lusty.tamu.edu (Diana Kae Stanley) writes:
>                       CALL FOR DISCUSSION
> 
> comp.sys.next.bugs      Discussion and solutions for known NeXT bugs.
> (unmoderated)
> 
> With the release of version 3.0 of NeXTStep has come a rash of bug
> reports, as would be expected with any major software upgrade.
> This group will provide a forum for discussion of new bugs and
> a resource for those looking for bug fixes and workarounds.

As an unmoderated newsgroup, I think this would have little practical  
benefit.  We'd just have everyone posting their own little bug reports,  
without regard to whether the bug report has already been posted, or  
answered, or determined to be a figment of everyone's imagination.

That is precisely what is happening right now with 3.0 bug reports, and I  
don't think that moving the reports into a separate newsgroup will do much  
to change human nature.

And as a newsgroup I don't think it would work out well.  When working with  
sendmail, for instance, should one post to csn.sysadmin (since mail is a  
sysadmin kinda thing), or to csn.bugs (simply because the difficulty I'm  
having might be a bug)?

What we probably need is something more like an additional FAQ list for  
bugs, which would be posted to csn.announce.  When something dramatic  
happens, like the release of a new operating system, this particular FAQ  
would have to be posted more frequently than the other FAQs (say, once a  
week, and maybe to csn.misc instead of csn.announce).

There are obvious problems with this, like finding someone with the time to  
do it, but I don't think that a csn.bugs newsgroup would work all that well  
in practice.  We're all fired up about it right now due to the new release,  
but once things settle back into a steady state I think it will seem out of  
place.

And, if my memory serves me, a similar idea popped up in the Mac newsgroups,  
back when system 7 was released.  While that idea seemed quite reasonable  
while system 7 articles were coming fast and furious, in retrospect I don't  
think anything would have been better off if that group had been created.

--
Garance Alistair Drosehn     =     gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu
ITS Systems Programmer            (handles NeXT-type mail)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute;           Troy NY    USA
Xref: sparky news.groups:18758 talk.politics.misc:49616 alt.politics.correct:5604
Newsgroups: news.groups,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.correct
Subject: MODEL UNITED NATIONS NEWSGROUP
From: <F36SI@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 5 Oct 1992 21:08:51 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

        Greetings -
                  I would like to propose a discussion on what the
        feeling is out there for starting a Model United Nations
        newsgroup.  The Model United Nations is a worldwide program
        that simulates the United Nations on the grammar school, high
        school and college levels.  Conferences take place usually
        take place over a two and half to three day period at a
        large hotel.  Since the the Model United Nations is an
        international phenomenon, a Model UN newsgroup would
        help to facilitate the exchange of information and the
        building of community among Model UNers around the world.
        I would propose that the name of the group should be  :
        talk.politics.model-un, thus ensuring that it goes as
        widespread as possible on the net.  I hope that you will
        join me in support for this valuable newsgroup.  Thanks.
                              Matt in NYC
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Proposal of new group: soc.culture.kibonia
Date: 2 Oct 1992 14:42:26 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1992Oct1.010129.4461@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>kibo.culture is the needed group.

No, no, no. megabozo.kibonia. It's just obvious.
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
    Vote for a REAL change on 3 November: Throw out the check-bouncing,
  tax-and-spend Democrat Congress! (obviously, not an opinion of UTHSCH)
From: gusar@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Sean A Reith)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD Alternative Medicine
Date: 6 Oct 1992 04:14:58 +0800
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniwa.uwa.edu.au

jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:

>In article <1992Oct5.092916.12010@vms.eurokom.ie> mdebuitlear@vms.eurokom.ie
>writes, in response to my contention:
>>> As long as you don't put it in the sci.* category, I don't really care. It
>>> isn't science, though.
>>Sweeping generalisations and closed minds certainly have no place in science 
>>either.

>Well, when you can prove that any of the listed "alternative therapies" (I
>refuse to call it "alternative medicine", since it isn't medicine) works
>according to the scientific method, including such things as randomized
>double-blind tests, then you can call them science. I'm open to anything that
>can be proven scientifically.

Scientific proof?  The only method of "proof" accepted as
scientifically valid is by disproving the diametrically opposite.
The logical contrary hypothesis is "alternative method does not work",
if this can be proven to be incorrect (it only takes _one_ exception to
disprove a hypothesis), then the hypothesis "alternative medicine does
work" could be considered to be proven.  I have read of many cases where
alternative medicine has worked, I'm sure the net can supply witnesses
to such.  Will you start demanding it be put under sci now?

(of course, anyone who thinks the variables can isolated in real world
situations is an utter loonie, but that cuts both ways.  You _don't_
know that alternative medicine (what a horribly general term) doesn't
work, so why not keep an open mind about it?)

Personally, I don't give a damn where in the hieracy it is put, as long
as the name is reasonably informative, it doesn't REALLY matter.

Enjoy, be free,
Sean.
-- 
Sean A Reith                         | gusar@uniwa.uwa.edu.au
C programmer and net.addict at large | sean@gu.uwa.edu.au
Obquote:                             | reith_s@kultarr.cs.uwa.edu.au
 "I have a cunning Plan" - Baldrick  | sean@his.own.really.fast.machine (RSN)
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: chm8v@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (chris mann)
Subject: Re: Proposal:alt.guitar.bass.tab
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:06:16 GMT

i think this is a good proposal
(i know i would use it:-)
chris
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: RFD rec.autos.antique
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 20:04:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.225138.1993@vpnet.chi.il.us> lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky) writes:
>
[ stuff deleted ]
>
>Rec.autos.antique shall NOT be for the discussion for the non-stock
>modification, customization or souping up of antique autos.  It shall
>be about a car you consider your friend, not merely your transportation.
>
...but, I consider my 33 roadster a friend, and my husband considers all
of our cars like friends, not mere transportation... he takes better
care of our cars than most people do of their children....


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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams)
Subject: Re: RFD Alternative Medicine
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:25:42 GMT

Thus spake geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks): 

>
>One problem would be the name.  Alt.medicine would be a natural,
>but the alt groups have already got another purpose.  
>Soc.medicine.alternative?  I'm sure others will have better suggestions.

	I'm totally in favor of such a group. 

	My original thought was that it should become
sci.medicine.alternative until I read some of the biased responses to the
original post from those who consider themselves scientifically oriented
(funny, I always was taught that an open, inquiring, mind was the mark of a
scientist - obviously that isn't always the case).

	I see no reason that either soc.medicine.alternative or
alt.medicine.alternative would not be appropriate.

	Given the demonstration of unbiased communications those with a
scientific orientation have displayed thus far, however, it may need to be a
moderated group to permit unbiased discussions to take place.

-- 

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            The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised
      over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to
      prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is
      not a sufficient warrant.                         John Stuart Mill
                       -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=-
          Rick Adams -=*=- adamsr@ais.org -=*=- adamsr@norwich.bitnet
Xref: sparky news.groups:18765 alt.config:6062 alt.guitar.tab:2820
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Re: rec or alt.joke  - does one exist?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:38:57 GMT

Try rec.humor.funny.

Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.religion.kibology
From: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes)
Subject: Re: Proposal of new group: soc.culture.kibonia
Originator: guckes@medusa
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:54:36 GMT

(References - who gives a damn?)
>>Since not everyone receives alt.religion.kibology we need soc.culture.kibonia.
>
>I think it should be a sci.* group, because lots of .EDU sites
>have better access to that hierarchy. ;-)

If the group has to do with American education
then it's name should obviously be

	soc.culture.kiboe

Sorry, James.

Sven :)
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 07:41:19 GMT
Organization: Mr. Lazlo's Temple Of The Mighty Rude-Boy Skank

rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro) writes:

> ...like it or not, usenet *already* depends categorization as a means of
> organizing discussion. The only question here is this: is the "bluenote"
> categorization the best we can do?  

Best for what?  It may not be the "best" categorization in the eyes of
pigeonhole-obsessed neat-freaks, but in terms of defining a space for
useful and interesting discussion of jazz and blues it seems to be working
just fine. 

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

Free Terry Waite!  Free Terry Waite in every box of Captain Crunch!