From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Interesting (suprising?) Fact.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 18:52:19 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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In article <1992Oct13.142458.27322@nynexst.com> Clare Chu, clare@nynexst.com writes:
>> kamprath:
>>But then the question still stands:  Why are those who decide to date a local
>>"less able" to get a date with the people from the country they are from?
>
>  Simple.  Because they prefer to date people from their own country.
>  Is that so hard for you superior Americans to understand?
>  

I think there is a slight logical flaw in your response (it doesn't match up to
what I was saying).  Please reread and adjust your comment so that I can understand
what you are trying to say.

>
>>  Paul:
>>Just to ZZZ:
>>  If you just want to cause trouble then then go to downtown New
>>Brunswick and start yelling racial slurs.  There are enough problems
>>out there with out you making up some.
>>
>
>  Just curious, why are you guys so upset with ZZZ?  He is stating his
>  observation, you state yours.  So your observations don't match.
>  Big deal.  


Let me be explicit as to ZZZ's comment to which I am getting upset about:

In article <Oct.8.13.51.51.1992.1703@soliton.rutgers.edu> ZhiZhong Zhang,
zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu writes:
>Now the interesting part, usually the girls who can 
>get chinese dates don't date Americans. Most of the times, only those
>who cannot date Chinese or Taiwanese date Americans. 

Kind of sounds a like a insult to me?  Because it is not directly targetted
towards me, does that make me less able to get upset over it?  Now, if someone
told me an insult about Asians in general, I am not allowed to get upset because 
it is not directed towards me?  Would you want me to just sit there and laugh at it?

>  Does it really kill you "American" men so much that
>  there exist some women (from mainland China, mind you) that don't
>  prefer to date you studly "Americans"???  

Well, I think I already responded to that.  Here it is again in case you forgot:

In article <6R5-dsA@engin.umich.edu> Michael F. Kamprath, kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu
writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.133852.1592@nynexst.com> Clare Chu, clare@nynexst.com writes:
>>
>>  Exactly.  I think ZZZ was referring to women from mainland China
>>  or Taiwan.  I also know that among women who were born and raised
>>  in China/Taiwan, that they prefer to date men from China/Taiwan.
>
>Seems reasonable.  You know, from the "having things in common" perpspective.
>

As you can see, it was in response to you already asking the same question.

>  (I don't see any Asian-
>  American men complaining that these mainland girls don't want
>  to date them).  What's so bad about mainland girls preferring
>  to date mainland men?  I see White Americans all the time who
>  only date White Americans.  Doesn't bother me the least bit!
>  I have countless White American friends who will never date anyone
>  outside of their race, I don't go around getting upset and calling
>  them racists.  I know men of every race who don't like Asian women
>  and would never go out with one, yet they are still my friends
>  and I could care less who they choose to date or why. 
>

Again, I refer you to what I (and I assume Paul) were responding to:
The insult that ZZZ leveled against Asian women who date American men. 

Is that too tough for YOU to see?

>  What's so bad about people who stay in their own little group?
>  I think everyone stays in their own little group.  Tell me, didn't
>  you have your group of friends?  I bet you eat lunch every day with
>  your little group of friends.  I see people in their own little
>  groups all the time.  It's just that when it's an all White group,
>  no one blinks an eye.  But if it's an all Black group, or an
>  all-mainland Chinese group, it somehow galls on you "real Americans".
>  Yet, Americans also hang around in their own little group.  My mom
>  and sister (Asian-Americans) went on a trip to Germany and guess
>  what?  All the Americans on the tour all hung around together.
>  So what if people date within their little group?  If they eat
>  lunch with their little group, why can't they date in their little
>  group?  What's it to you?  You can't have all the women in the world
>  you know...  They don't all belong to you Americans.

Obviousely, your are trying to read something into my comments that wasn't
there.  I don't know your motivation, but please tell me two things:
1) can you follow the logic of the following statement, and 2) do you
agree or disagree to it?  The statement is (in its original, un-edited form):

>>And I still contend that those from country X who are studying in country Y and
>>who "make fun" or "look down" upon those from country X that date people from
>>country Y are xenophobic, if not racist.

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