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From: gadfly@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Gadfly)
Subject: Re: Short-Term notes (Was Re: YYYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: chi
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:28:56 GMT
Followup-To: chi.general
Summary: Dream on.
Keywords: lame birds, Election, deliverance, short-term notes

In article <1992Nov16.233210.25627@cbnewsc.cb.att.com>,
res@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Rich Strebendt) writes:
> > I hope you know what to do with your money when the government starts
> > to default on interest payments.
 
> I do not expect to see that happen.  Historically, the Democrats solve
> that problem quite handily -- they just print more money.

No, that was Reagan's solution.  The Dems were into "tax and spend";
they at least understood that somebody had to be dunned for it.
Ronnie amended that to "spend and spend".  But both parties claim
to have seen the light now.  No, I'm not holding my breath.
 
> With a bit of luck we could start another Republican era by booting
> many of the long-term Democrats from Congress and get a Congress that
> understands subjects like Economics and World Trade.

The Repubs hardly have a lock on that.  And for every Baker and Nixon
there's a Helms and Quayle.  If you want to see expertise in Congress,
you'll have to transcend those outdated party affiliations--and all
the baggage that goes with them (e.g., the Dems wrap themselves in
a multi-ethnic coat-of-many-colors; the Reps claim exclusive ownership
of God and the flag).  You want knowledgeable congresscritters?  Try
Vermont's "independent" Barry Sanders.  He's a self-proclaimed
socialist.

> With term
> limitations to keep Congress relatively youthful and with a line item
> veto to keep the number of pork-barrel amendments under control, then
> we might have some hope of have a Government rather than a Political
> System.

Band-aids.  And overrated ones at that.  They'd change the personnel
and maybe a few of the laws, but they won't change the system itself.
Perhaps if we got rid of the lobbyists (as Clinton claims to want to
do--although he's not likely to get very far, nor probably even try
very hard) *and* restricted the system to economics and diplomacy
and kept it the hell out of our bedrooms, maybe then it might work
for the betterment of the commonweal--instead of itself.
 
> Actually, if we survive the next four years...

We survived the last 12, and the 4 before that.  It's hard to
imagine even more incompetence than Carter, more senility than
Reagan, more meanspiritedness than Bush, more stupidity than
Quayle.  Somehow we manage.

"I wanted to run for the Presidency in the worst way.  And I did."
 -- Walter Mondale

               *** ***
Ken Perlow   ***** *****
18 Nov 92   ****** ******   28 Brumaire An CCI
            *****   *****   gadfly@ihspc.att.com <- New address.
             ** ** ** **             ^^^
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Newsgroups: chi.general
From: jland@nwu.edu (John Landwehr)
Subject: ACT and Quicken Tutors wanted
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:47:18 GMT

A friend of mine is looking for someone to help him get up to speed with  
these software packages:

ACT for Windows
Quicken

If are available for consulting/instruction and have knowledge of these  
products, please give him a call:

Tom, 708-256-6665


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From: furio@uiuc.edu (furio ercolessi)
Subject: Re: Illinois drivers license numbers
Reply-To: furio@uiuc.edu (furio ercolessi)
Organization: MRL - UIUC
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:04:50 GMT

In article <BxvtzC.3B2@cs.uiuc.edu>, noe@cs.uiuc.edu (Roger Noe) writes:
|>After exchanging some e-mail with others, it appears that the
|>algorithm behind assignment of Illinois drivers license numbers is
|>mostly known.  Perhaps someone can fill in the few remaining gaps.

|>	middle initial:  (USE 0 IF NONE?)

YES.  (I have no middle initial and it's just 20*first)

--
Furio Ercolessi
Materials Research Laboratory           |   Intl School for Advanced Studies
Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign   |   Trieste, Italy
furio@uiuc.edu                          |   furio@sissa.it
Newsgroups: chi.general,alt.privacy
From: dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (DWT)
Subject: Re: Stop the magnetic strip on Illinois drivers' licenses
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:47:04 GMT
Organization: Contributor Account at ddsw1, Chicago, Illinois  60657

mwbg9715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Wayne Blunier) wrote in
<BxqpKH.15r@news.cso.uiuc.edu>:

| If you let someone copy your drivers license number down, they have the
| information that is needed to determine your sex and birthdate.  They 
| are coded in last 5 digits of your D.L, as last two digits of the year,
| and then (month of birth minus 1) * 31 + day of month.  Add 500 if 
| [the licensee is] female.                                   ^^^

600.  Female birthday codes range from 601-972 and male birthday codes
from 001-372.

David W. Tamkin   Box 59297   Northtown Station, Illinois  60659-0297
dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com    CompuServe: 73720,1570    MCI Mail: 426-1818
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: kenk@sdc.com (Ken Konecki)
Subject: Re: Short-Term notes (Was Re: YYYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!)
Followup-To: alt.politics.usa.constitution
Keywords: lame birds, Election, deliverance, short-term notes
Organization: Systems Development Corporation
Distribution: chi
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:57:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.233210.25627@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> res@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Rich Strebendt) writes:
>With term
>limitations to keep Congress relatively youthful...

Term limitations already exist; for whatever reason, the electorate
simply chooses to keep electing the same people, even when they also
vote in favor of term limits.  To enforce term limitations through law
would only serve to take away what little accountability the members of
Congress (and for that matter all elected officials) have to their
constituents.

Cheers,
    -Ken K
-- 
Ken Konecki
e-mail:kenk@sdc.com    -or-    ...!uunet!tellab5!sdc!kenk
"Getting an inch of snow is like winning 10 cents in the lottery"
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: achatche@quads.uchicago.edu (andrew curtis hatchell)
Subject: Re: PAINTBALL
Reply-To: achatche@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 04:30:13 GMT

In article <2b0d43c0-3d1chi.general@vpnet.chi.il.us> akcs.laser@vpnet.chi.il.us (Paul Lamb) writes:
>Has anybody played this sport??  Pehaps you've seen it on Sports Channel
>or LA Law.  Teams participate in a capture the flag type scenario while
>attempting to shoot each other with paint pellets propelled from air
>guns.  Anybody know where to play in the area?  Looks like a blast.
>

Our house (residential housing unit) challenged another house on campus
to a game last weekend.  We went to a place called "Paint Pursuit Games" that
was located somewhere about an hour from Chicago (Joliet, I think).  It was
definitely a lot of fun.  The number for this place is (312)735-3344.  You'll
probably have the most fun if you can get a big group together (>30) so you
can have the field to yourselves like we did (what fun is it to kill
total strangers?).  I think the cost was somewhere around $25 each for 4
hours of playing (six games).  

I imagine there are other places around, as well, but, according to the
person who organized our game, this was the best deal he could find.
	Andrew Hatchell

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From: matt@severian.chi.il.us (Matt Crawford)
Subject: Credit card offers (was Re: Can anyone check somebodies credit??)
Organization: The Chrome Plated Megaphone of Destiny
Distribution: chi
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 15:11:42 GMT

Leif Ericksen:
>.. then I check to see if there is an anual fee if there is a fee I
>rip apart the application, 

I do this differently.  I take the advertising blurb and put it in
the postpaid business reply envelope and send it back.

My first card was a Marshall Field's.  I was in there shopping for a
present and they were offering a free box of Frango Mints to credit
applicants.  Being a starving grad student, I figured it was worth my
time, even though they wuoldn't possibly give me a card.  Lo and
behold ...

I didn't use it for about 4 years, except as a reference on other
credit card applications.
__________________________________________________________
Matt Crawford       matt@severian.chi.il.us       Java Man
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From: kimes@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Kit Kimes@AT&T/NCR)
Subject: Re: PATRONIZE Cineplex Odeon (WAS: Re: Boycott Cineplex Odeon)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:03:36 GMT

From article <By1H99.sH@portal.hq.videocart.com>, by (Karl Denninger):

> In article <1992Nov20.012528.24773@gagme.chi.il.us> (Jerry Greenwood) writes:
> 
>>CINEPLEX ODEON Corporation of Toronto Canada is currently engaged in
>>attempting to destroy over 300 families in the Chicagoland area.  Members
>>of the Motion Picture Projectionists Union Local 110 of Chicago have been
>>locked out of their jobs as of November 8th, 1992, at midnight.
> 
> Of course, if I remember the figures correctly, the union thought that they
> should get paid $85.00/hour/movie screen while the movies were running.
> Never mind that it only takes one projectionist to run a screen even if he
> or she is monitoring the movie all the time, and in a pinch one
> projectionist can handle several screens.
> 
I think only in Chicago is the projectionist union made up of a high
percentage of characters associated with the mob.  That is why it was
such a high paying job (and why very few ordinary citizens ever got a
chance at the job).  I think Cineplex Odeon is showing a great deal
of courage at taking the stand they did and hope they succeed.

Kit Kimes
AT&T Bell Labs (under contract to NCR)
Naperville, IL
...!att!iwcs!kimes (kimes@iwcs.att.com)
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From: kenk@sdc.com (Ken Konecki)
Subject: Re: Toyota on Western SUCKS! Dont buy there!
Organization: Systems Development Corporation
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:53:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.163200.21147@eecs.nwu.edu> phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre) writes:
>[ hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain) relates a horror story 
>about purchasing a used car at Toyota on Western. ]
>
>Doesn't Illinois have a "lemon law" which protects you from this
>very sort of thing?

Lemon laws only apply to new cars, not used, and are barely worth the
paper they're printed on.

When purchasing a used car it is always prudent to get *in writing* any
and all warranties that come with the car, if any.  If the car has no
warranty, i.e. it is sold as is, then the seller of the car is not
obligated to make any repairs to it (and that's why when you sell a car
you need to put "Vehicle is sold as is" on the bill of sale).

Cheers,
    -Ken K
-- 
Ken Konecki
e-mail:kenk@sdc.com    -or-    ...!uunet!tellab5!sdc!kenk
"Getting an inch of snow is like winning 10 cents in the lottery"
From: hoffmann@infopls.chi.il.us (Robert Hoffmann)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Stop the magnetic str    
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 22:43:58 CST
X-Maildoor: WaflineMail 1.00r

 * Quoting Phil Scopes:
PS>I just checked this method against my state ID.  The above method seems to
  >agree not with the last 5 digits, but the sixth through second to the last.
  >My birthdate is 12/12/69.  So we take (12-1)*31+12.  We get 353.  I am male,
  >so we do not have to add 500 or 600.  My full number is 1206-7369-3538.
  >                                                               ^^ ^^^

Um, Phil, if that's a state ID card then the "8" on the end is 
actually the letter "S" for your last initial (1206-7369-353S).

State ID card numbers END with your initial, where driver license 
numbers START with them.  If you had a driver license, it would be 
S120-6736-9353.

Rob
---
 * 1st 1.02b #38bt * Firings will continue until morale improves
    
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From: ian@nasser.eecs.nwu.edu (Ian Sutherland)
Subject: Re: Toyota on Western SUCKS! Dont buy there!
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:34:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.183253.6933@eecs.nwu.edu> ian@nasser.eecs.nwu.edu (Ian Sutherland) writes:
>This is standard procedure when buying a new car.

Oops, I meant "used car".
-- 
Ian Sutherland
ian@eecs.nwu.edu

Sans Peur
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From: hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain)
Subject: Re: Toyota on Western SUCKS! Dont buy there!
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:22:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov17, phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre) writes:
> 
> [ hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain) relates a horror story 
> about purchasing a used car at Toyota on Western. ]
> 
> Doesn't Illinois have a "lemon law" which protects you from this
> very sort of thing?

Having spoken to a few law students/lawyers, it seems that I could
do something about it but not through the "lemon laws".  Apparently
lemon laws apply only to new cars and relate to the manufacturers
not the dealers.  Dealers are not liable for crappy cars(Hard to believe
but true).  However
I could have hired a lawyer and managed to return the car. But,
considering that I have spent money on the car and that it runs okey
now, and that I have little time in which to undertake this issue,
I'm keeping the car.  The car was not a total crap heap.  Its just 
that they did not inform me of the problems and did not take it back
when I wanted to return it.  And hiring a lawyer is easier said
than done.....its another hassle.  I'm sure thats what a number of 
these places bet on........My word of advice is buy a new car.
At least then the manufacturer is liable for everything.  And if
you must buy a used one dont do it on Toyota on Western.
From: ddrumm@amiganet.chi.il.us (Daniel Drumm)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Ayn Rand
Date: 18 Nov 92 07:50:34 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems


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From: jnoh@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jay W. Noh)
Subject: Re: Illinois drivers license numbers
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 07:48:13 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL

In article <BxvtzC.3B2@cs.uiuc.edu> noe@cs.uiuc.edu (Roger Noe) writes:
>In article <BxrtIJ.MqI@ddsw1.mcs.com> dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (DWT) writes:
>>mwbg9715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Wayne Blunier) wrote in
>><BxqpKH.15r@news.cso.uiuc.edu>:
>>
>>| If you let someone copy your drivers license number down, they have the
>>| information that is needed to determine your sex and birthdate.  They 
>>| are coded in last 5 digits of your D.L, as last two digits of the year,
>>| and then (month of birth minus 1) * 31 + day of month.  Add 500 if 
>>| [the licensee is] female.                                   ^^^
>>
>>600.  Female birthday codes range from 601-972 and male birthday codes
>>from 001-372.
>
>After exchanging some e-mail with others, it appears that the
>algorithm behind assignment of Illinois drivers license numbers is
>mostly known.  Perhaps someone can fill in the few remaining gaps.
>There are 12 characters in one of these license numbers:
>
>1.	The first letter of the surname.
>
>2-4.	Soundex code for the consonants of the surname AFTER (excluding)
>	the first letter.  Padded out with zeroes, if necessary.  Does
>	anyone have the whole Soundex table handy?  All I can remember
>	is that M and N are 5.
>

I think IL uses the same one as Wisconsin.
The following is the soundex for WI.

1:  B F P V
2:  C G J K Q S X Z
3:  D T
4:  L
5:  M N
6:  R
0 (ommitted):  A E I O U H W Y

[...stuff deleted...]
>If anyone can either add to this or contradict it, your follow-up or
>e-mail reply is welcome.
>--
>Roger Noe                            noe@cs.uiuc.edu
>Department of Computer Science       40:06:39 N.  88:13:41 W.
>University of Illinois               (217) 244-6173
>Urbana, IL  61801  USA


Anyone differ?

Jay
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From: karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger)
Subject: Re: customers count at Lou Malnatti's
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:25:31 GMT
Organization: Macro Computer Solutions, Inc., Chicago, IL

In article <92319.202232U16028@uicvm.uic.edu> <U16028@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>I won't go into the details, but the management at Lou Malnatti's on
>Wells really knows how to treat a customer.  There was a mix-up in my order
>and they went above and beyond what I would have expected to ease the
>situation.
>
>I see people complaining about establishments so I thought I would post
>a compliment.   Keep up the good service!

Lou Malnatti's has always treated me exceptionally well.  For pizzas and the
like they're one of my favorite places.

--
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From: noe@cs.uiuc.edu (Roger Noe)
Subject: Illinois drivers license numbers
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Comp Sci, Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:47:36 GMT

In article <BxrtIJ.MqI@ddsw1.mcs.com> dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (DWT) writes:
>mwbg9715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Wayne Blunier) wrote in
><BxqpKH.15r@news.cso.uiuc.edu>:
>
>| If you let someone copy your drivers license number down, they have the
>| information that is needed to determine your sex and birthdate.  They 
>| are coded in last 5 digits of your D.L, as last two digits of the year,
>| and then (month of birth minus 1) * 31 + day of month.  Add 500 if 
>| [the licensee is] female.                                   ^^^
>
>600.  Female birthday codes range from 601-972 and male birthday codes
>from 001-372.

After exchanging some e-mail with others, it appears that the
algorithm behind assignment of Illinois drivers license numbers is
mostly known.  Perhaps someone can fill in the few remaining gaps.
There are 12 characters in one of these license numbers:

1.	The first letter of the surname.

2-4.	Soundex code for the consonants of the surname AFTER (excluding)
	the first letter.  Padded out with zeroes, if necessary.  Does
	anyone have the whole Soundex table handy?  All I can remember
	is that M and N are 5.

5-7.	20 * (first initial) + (middle initial)

	first initial:  (WHY ARE THERE GAPS?  In case of duplications?)
	 A  B  C  D  E  F  G  H  I  J  K  L  M
	 0  3  5  8 10 12 14 16 20 21 25 26 27

	 N  O  P  Q  R  S  T  U  V  W  X  Y  Z
	31 32 33 35 36 39 40 42 43 44 47 48 49

	middle initial:  (USE 0 IF NONE?)
	 A  B  C  D  E  F  G  H  I  J  K  L  M
	 1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13

	 N  O  P  Q  R  S  T  U  V  W  X  Y  Z
	14 14 15 15 16 17 18 18 18 19 19 19 19

8-9.	Last two digits of year of birth.

10-12.	31 * (month of birth - 1) + (day of birth) + 600 * (female)
	Where 1 <= month of birth <= 12
	and 1 <= day of birth <= 31
	and female = 1 if female, 0 if male.

If anyone can either add to this or contradict it, your follow-up or
e-mail reply is welcome.
--
Roger Noe                            noe@cs.uiuc.edu
Department of Computer Science       40:06:39 N.  88:13:41 W.
University of Illinois               (217) 244-6173
Urbana, IL  61801  USA
From: akcs.laser@vpnet.chi.il.us (Paul Lamb)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: PAINTBALL
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:55:02 CST

Has anybody played this sport??  Pehaps you've seen it on Sports Channel
or LA Law.  Teams participate in a capture the flag type scenario while
attempting to shoot each other with paint pellets propelled from air
guns.  Anybody know where to play in the area?  Looks like a blast.

Newsgroups: chi.general
From: mitchell@cs.uchicago.edu (Mitchell Marks)
Subject: Re: Ayn Rand
Reply-To: mitchell@cs.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computer Science
Distribution: chi
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:26:59 GMT

>>>>> "DD" == Daniel Drumm <ddrumm@amiganet.chi.il.us> writes:

  DD>         I am looking for any information regarding clubs,
  DD> organizations or any other information including newsletters
  DD> concerning the work and life of Ayn Rand. If you have any
  DD> information about clubs, rare books and any other collector's
  DD> items, please leave me email.

  DD> Daniel Drumm  

I heartily recommend to all and sundry the excellent, intense, recent
novel "Two Girls, Fat and Thin" by Mary Gaitskill, available in
paperback.  (Except perhaps not recommended to followers of Rand, if
they're touchy about criticism.)  The real force of the book is in the
partly similar, partly contrasting life-histories of the two central
characters, and their eventual meeting and interaction.  The substrate
of story supporting this is that one of them had been the intimate
secretary to the charismatic leader of a "philosophical"/political
movement, transparently modelled on Rand and Objectivism.  The other
central character is a researcher/writer for a magazine (well, she's
also a medical receptionist); she posts an ad somewhat like DD's in
laundromats and so on, and eventually finds and interviews the first
woman.  Their differing understanding of what's going on is
plausibly developed and brilliantly executed.

It would be interesting to learn the reactions to the book of a reader
who feels strongly, one way or the other, about Rand.  (Personally, I
just shake my head in amazement at the boundaries of human belief.)
Of course, chi.general is not the place for this -- if you want to
discuss Gaitskill, let me know and I'll meet you at rec.books.  [Whose
volume is far too large for me to give the time to, so I rarely read it
at all until someone clues me that there's something being discussed
that I would be interested in.]
--
Mitch Marks    mitchell@cs.uchicago.edu
It's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide.
From: kenk@sdc.com (Ken Konecki)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Re: Toyota on Western SUCKS! Dont buy there!
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:39:34 GMT
Organization: Systems Development Corporation

In article <1992Nov20.211647.13250@midway.uchicago.edu> hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain) writes:
>However, if you pay $8,000 for a car, you expect it to
>be in decent shape, and at least to be told about what is wrong.

The more money you are giving up, the more cautious (not trusting) you
should be about the purchase.  One should not inherently trust a seller
simply because one is giving him large amounts of money.

Cheers,
    -Ken K
-- 
Ken Konecki
e-mail:kenk@sdc.com    -or-    ...!uunet!tellab5!sdc!kenk
"Getting an inch of snow is like winning 10 cents in the lottery"
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