From: GSAVOPUL@UCS.INDIANA.EDU (GEORGIOS A. SAVOPULOS)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.hellas
Subject: Prosulitismos stnv Ellada (III)
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:04:28 GMT
Reply-To: "GEORGIOS A. SAVOPULOS" <GSAVOPUL@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
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>>    Kai to briskeis kako auto; Edw ka0e xrovo mas erxovtai oi martures
>> tou Iexwba stnv estia kai eimaste ANAGKASMENOI va dnlwsoume graptws oti

>Sthn Ellada eisai ANAGASMENOS na phgaineis sthn ekklhsia san mathitis ...

  Gegovos. Oute emeva mou arese ...

>> dev 0eloume va tous doume !!!. Mnpws to briskeis logiko auto ;; Stnv
>> Ellada auto pou apagoreuetai eivai va evoxleis dnmosia tous Ellnves
>> polites gia tis 0rnskeutikes tous avtilnpseis. Twra, av kapoios 0elei
>> va alla3ei 0rnskeuma mporei va er0ei se epafn me oles autes tis
>> 0rnskeutikes omades xwris problnmata. Proswpika dev briskw tipota
>                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> to mempto stn sugkekrimevn periptwsn.
>>

>Yparxei periptosh kathigitrias agglikon poy den proselhfthi sto dhmosio
>EPEIDH DEN HTAN XRISTIANH ORTHODOKSH!!! Se plhroforo oti einai megalo
>provlhma na mhn eisai X.O. sthn Ellada.

  Koita, dev prokeitai va asxoln0w me memovomeves periptwseis pou mporei
va ofeilovtai stnv epi0umia kapoiwv va 'bolepsouv' dikous tous av0rwpous
sto dnmosio. Apo eva memovomevo sumbav dev mporeis va bgaleis statistika
sumperasmata. Oso gia tnv periptwsn autn, mias kai tn gvwrizeis, 0a ntav
kalo va mas evnmerwseis. Perimevw loipov stoixeia.

>>   O prosulitismos dev apagoreuetai. H parevoxlnsn omws nai !!
>> Kai kati akoma. H or0odo3n ekklnsia dev e3aireitai apo to vomo. Etsi,
>                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Fysika den eksaireitai. Afou o nomos einai ftiagmenos gia aythn. Mhn
>ksexanme thn tromerh dynamh ths ekklhsias sthn Ellada. H O.E den exei
>anagh apo prosylhtismo enhlikon, ef' oson yparxei o ypoxreotikos prosylhtismos
>ton paidion sta sxoleia. An oi goneis sou se exoun dhlosei X.O. kai esy peis
>pos den eisai, exeis na antimetopiseis thn mania gonion, daskalon, kathigiton
>kai tros kai merikes apovoles.

Isws sou eivai adiaforo, alla proswpika eixa evoxln0ei toso apo tn
didaskalia twv 0rnskeutikwv (toulaxistov me tov tropo pou givetai) sta
sxoleia, oso kai apo to katnxntiko. Kai -av 0es va 3ereis-, tnv idia gvwmn
exouv kai ta perissotera 3adelfia mou sta sugkekrimeva zntnmata. Kata
suvepeia, 0a sumfwvousa mazi sou av proteives va mn didaskovtai ta
0rnskeutika (toulaxistov me tn morfn pou exei to ma0nma snmera) kai va
diakopei to katnxntiko (av e3akolou0ei va givetai). Auto omws pou
avafer0nke sto ar0ro tns Independent, dev to dexomai se kamia periptwsn.
DEN ALLAZEIS KATI KAKWS KEIMENO ME KATI AKOMA XEIROTERO !!!
Nomizw oti katalabaiveis ti 0elw va pw, etsi ;;;
   Twra, gia to 0ema tns epibolns sugkekrimevwv apopsewv apo tous goveis
kapoiou, auto eivai teleiws diaforetiko 0ema. Se kamia periptwsn dev
mporei va xaraktnristei 'prosulitismos' opws 0eleis va to parousiaseis.
Eivai epiboln apopsewv mev, alla dev periorizetai se 0emata pistews. H
kuria piesn twv govewv eivai se 0emata epaggelmatikns apokatastasns (sav
to "otav megalwsei 0a givei giatros"). Episns, dev eivai ka0ara Ellnviko
faivomevo. Me tn logikn sou, o ka0olikos Ispavos px, pou paei stnv
ekklnsia me to paidi tou, epiballei se auto tnv ka0olikn pistn kai to
prosulitizei. H mnpws kavw la0os;;;
  Telos, n avafora se daskalous kai ka0ngntes eivai ava3ia suzntnsns. Milas
gia 100,000 av0rwpous, kai oute ligo oute polu tous 'baftizeis' olous
favatikous. Sigoura, avamesa tous uparxouv kai 'sapia frouta', omws se
kamia periptwsn dev 0a dextw 'epixeirnma' autns tns morfns. Dev eivai
duvato 20 ka0ngntes sto gumvasio n to lukeio va exouv koivn avtimetwpisn
evos ma0ntn gia opoiodnpote logo. Akoma kai stnv upo0etikn periptwsn
pou auto suvebn, to 0ema 0a emfavizovtav stis efnmerides kai 0a upnrxav
epiptwseis ka0ws to paraptwma eivai para polu sobaro. Av gvwrizeis
sugkekrimeves periptwseis pou va exouv parei dnmosiotnta, perimevw
stoixeia. Mia apln avafora dev arkei...
  Oso gia tnv ousia tou 0ematos, merikoi vomoi exouv grafei se epoxes
pou oloi oi Ellnves dnlwvav Xristiavoi Or0odo3oi. To oti isxuouv
akomn ofeiletai sto oti dev bre0nke kaveis va tous alla3ei. Mias
kai n Ellada eivai dnmokratikn xwra, kavevas dev emodizei eseva
n opoiovdnpote allo va balei upopsnfiotnta gia bouleutns me stoxo
tnv allagn twv sugkekrimevwv diata3ewv.

>> eivai paravomo to va akougetai n leitourgia e3w apo to xwro tou vaou.
>> To oti auto sumbaivei, ofeiletai stnv avoxn twv politwv kai sto oti n

>Nai, vevaia, anoxh... An kaneis pos les tipota, kindyneveis na lyntsaristeis
>apo ena plhthos eksagriomenon "piston"... Gia thymhsou ti egine me ton
>"Teleytaio peirasmo" (gia osous den kseroun, oi "pistoi" skisane tis othones
>tvn kinhmatografon) ....

   Pln0os e3agriwmenwv 'pistwv' e; Kala... H kataggelia stnv astuvomia
eivai vomizw aproswpn. Arkei va snkwseis to tnlefwvo. Ase pou mporeis va
suzntnseis to 0ema kai me tous 'upeu0uvous' nsuxa kai politismeva.
Oso gia tov teleutaio peirasmo mnv avnsuxeis, to faivomevo ntav geviko.
Av 0umamai kala, (tote nmouv akoma stnv Ellada), oi idies avtidraseis
emfavistnkav kai stis HPA apo tnv ka0olikn ekklnsia. De blepw loipov
kamia 'opis0odromisn' sugkritika me ta proodeumeva kratn...

>>
>>    Proswpikn mou 0esn sto zntnma eivai oti to kratos prepei va tous
>> sterisei tnv upnkootnta kai va tous avagkasei va metavasteusouv.
>> Auto 0a mas glutwve kai apo to 'kra3imo'. Twra 0a mou peis, kai poios
>> tous 0elei autous; Kaveis fusika. Ti va tous kavouv allwste;
>>

>Ooooops ... Kati vromaei edo ... Nai, nai... olous na toys dioksoune...
>Kai toyw iaxovades, kai toyw mayrous, kai toyw evraious, olous ... Sapounia
>na toys kanoune... Na' xeis na pleneis to dermataki soy, Areie mou Xristiane
>Orthodoxe .... Ftou sou! (na mh se matiaso) ... Adolfe ...

>                                             Theodore

  Koita, kala 0a kaveis va parakolou0eis ti givetai gurw sou. Opws
egrapsa kai sto Niko prox0es, n sugkekrimevn paragrafos graftnke gia
'plaka'.
  Epipleov : Pote de milnsa gia maurous, Ebraious, Armevious, Albavous
ktl. To sugkekrimevo 0ema afora apokleistika tous martures tou Iexwba,
kai opws dnlwsa, tuxov efarmogn twv vomo0esiwv tns Dusns sto 0ema 0a
dnmiourgisei mia provomiouxo omada Ellnvwv oi opoioi 0a e3airouvtai
tns stratiwtikns 0nteias. 0esn mou, eivai oti n aopln 0nteia prepei
va diakavovistei me tetoio tropo, wste va mn dnmiourgei problnmata
stnv amuva tns xwras. Twra, to pws 0a sumbibastouv o sebasmos tns
pistns twv marturwv tou Iexwba kai n amuvtikn ikavotnta tns xwras,
auto dev eivai dikn mou douleia.
  To movo pou exw va pros0esw sta parapavw eivai oti otav n amuva
mias xwras katareei dnmiourgouvtai prosfuges. Stnv oikogeveia mou
ndn upnr3e evas. De skopeuw va tov 'mimn0w'. Atuxws, ametavontoi
afeleis sav kai seva eivai pou kavouv tn zwn mas pio duskoln. Oi
Tourkoi eivai apla meros tou problnmatos kai oxi to problnma...

  Giwrgos Sabbopoulos
 A0erapeuta Povtios...
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