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From: barnhill@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: RECREATIONAL BOAT PURCHASE
Date: 9 Apr 92 09:19:15 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

	I really liked the looks of the Sea Ray -- very stylish, very
nice boats indeed.  We've had a Chris craft (22? ft.) for a number of
years that we keep in the bay and at Tahoe, depending upon the season,
and it's been a great boat.  We recently bought a Baja 204 and just love
it, and knowing the Bay as well as we do (my wife's a native, I'm a 
transplant and we transplanted back here a few years ago, but...)I would think
personally that anything less than 19 feet would not be very satisfactory.  
On engines, we'er running the 2bbl 4.3 and hitting 52 mph on radar with it,
which seems pretty good, I'd try out whatever combination you're thinking
of getting with both the 5.0 & the 4.3, because you'll get more than
double the economy with the 4.3, according to everything I've read and 
calculated.  Because of gearing, you won't notice a whole lot of difference
in torque; if you want to run 50mph all day, go for the bigger engine, but
if like us, you like to cruise at 35-40, the 4.3 may be viable and a
hell of a lot cheaper to buy and operate.
	Do try them; don't just go on how it looks, offer to pay the dealer
to take it out for a test, with luck they'll refuse to take your money, but
take you out on the water anyway!  The Bay is some big water, I'd really
try out being in something in the 17-18 ft. range and then try 19-22; I
think you'll see the difference.  And don't ignore the guys who specialize
in offshore-type boats, like Baja, Fountain, etc., (I know, these are all
east coast brands, but...) as those are the conditions you're going to be running in.  Check out the Sacto/San J. delta up around Pittsburg and on up towards 
Sacramento, too; talk about some GREAT boating, it's hard to beat that
Delta.
	db

Dave Barnhill
Supervisor, Technology Center
University of Kansas
Barnhill@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
From: sblair@upurbmw.dell.com (Steven C. Blair "Unix Network Services")
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: scanned pictures of sailing boats wanted
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:41:46 GMT
Organization: Dell Computer UNIX Internetworking Services

I would be only happy to provide them, from my site for ftp. See
dell1.dell.com ~ftp/donate/boats . If you'll put them there, I'll
be happy to be the "unofficial rec.boats" picture server.

Since I run this machine, it's pretty easy to do. Please drop
pictures there, so that others can share. If the load becomes
too much(it's a nameserver for *.dell.com), I'll let you know.

As of now there's *NOTHING* there, but with y'all's help.....;]

-- 
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From: tre@cci632.cci.com (Todd Engle)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Chrysler Laser Barracuda -- Info needed!
Keywords: Laser
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:25:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Consoles Incorporated


I have a small question for anyone:

 Have you ever heard of a Chrysler Laser Barracuda sailboat?
 ----------------------------------------------------------

 Description:
	about 16'
	about 300 lbs. (seriously)

	model #: 12273 ( I think)
	Lateen rig
	
Last year, my grandfather (for the first time in 12 years) 
took me sailing on his boat.  More specifically, it was the
first time that the boat had been moved from storage in
12 years, and it sailed beautifully.  Of course, I fell
in love with sailing, and I was lucky to have 'inherited' 
this boat.  

I was just curious if any other Laser owners have heard of
a "Chrysler Laser" (it is stamped on the steel hull plate,
with the serial number), and the original instructions state
that the boat is a "Barracuda."

Any help would be most appreciated!

Todd R. Engle

Sailing season starts in 3 weeks!  (May 1, for me, anyway...)
From: worth@acuson.com (Douglas Worth)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: one-piece foulies - advice sought
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:53:32 GMT
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California

rockmore@deimos.ads.com (A. Joseph Rockmore) writes:


>i am considering purchasing a set of one-piece foulies, and would
>appreciate any opinions on them.  i race on san francisco bay, as
>foredeck, so need max protection.  nothing like getting doused with a
>ton of green water in the middle of a spinnaker jibe with the wind
>blowing 35 or so.  racing sf bay also rarely admits to getting too
>warm, so the issue (as i've been told) of not being able to take off
>your jacket and cool off is not a driver.

>my questions:  

>	* what are the advantages and disadvantages of one-piece suits
> 	  versus bibs & jackets?

>	* anything to especially look out for (either on the positive
>	  or negative side) when buying?

>	* what about brands?  i've found suits from douglas gill,
>	  patagonia, musto, timberland, and henri lloyd, with a range
>	  of costs from $150 to $400.

>	* any especially good places to buy?
>--



>	...joe

Does anyone know of a manufacturer that makes foulies (one or two piece) in
tall sizes. I am 6'6" and this weekend I used a XL West Marine two-piece and
there was no hope of keeping the bottom 8 inches of my legs covered.
Doug
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From: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Courington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: America's cup on-board camera operation
Date: 17 Apr 92 21:26:57 GMT
Reply-To: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: sextant.eng.sun.com

In article 340@bit.UUCP, grego@bit.UUCP (Greg Sanguinetti) writes:
..
>although I am not certain about the on-board cameras I did find out about the
>new camera boat. It was specially designed and has large keels (2) for
>stability. The camera is mounted on an arm that looks like a davit. The camera
>itself is inside an actuated ball that is gimballed and remotely controled.
>They have a heliocopter that stays above the camera boat and acts as a
>relay station. It stays higher that the other heliocopters that film and
>has a bright orange bottom. I didn't find out what kind of link is used
>between the chopper and the camera boat.

A little more info gleaned while I was aboard a stake boat for one of 
the challenger races.  The camera boat is a small version of Betsy, 
which is Stars and Stripe's support boat.  She's a catamaran with 
bulbous underwater hull sections that can be filled with water.  Just 
looking at her next to other boats and you can see that she's _very_ 
stable.  As mentioned, the camera hangs from a small crane in a gimballed 
(gyro-stabilized?) gizmo.  A crewmember sends the camera signal to 
a helicopter using a "laser designator".  (Sounds like "smart bomb" 
technology to me, but I don't know nothing.)

Bill Courington
From: bill@melmac.umd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: What's BOC stand for... (partial)
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:39:55 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, Computer Science Center

In article <1992Apr13.200946.1@engr> d_martin@engr writes:
>B_____  Offshore  Challenge?
>
>Dave

BOC stands for British Oxygen Corporation.
They were the sponsor of the original race that is now
sposored by others such as IBM.

Bill Brandt
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: fsadm@alliant1.lerc.nasa.gov (Leo Donovan)
Subject: Sextant wanted
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:17:29 GMT


I also need a used sextant (for a US Power Squadrons JN course).

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: lwg@uhura.neoucom.edu (Lowell W. Gerson)
Subject: A3 boat on highway
Keywords: Kanza Jayhawk A3
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:22:26 GMT

Monday (or Tuesday) I saw a boat headed east on I-76 that 
had A3 and the jayhawk logo on the side.  I was passing
under an overpass so I couldn't get a real good look
or judge size. But it sure looked like Kanza.  Anyone know
what she was.

Thanks
Lowell Gerson

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: karim@rice.edu (Karim Esseghir)
Subject: America's Cup TV coverage.
Originator: karim@letaba.cs.rice.edu
Reply-To: karim@rice.edu (Karim Esseghir)
Organization: Rice University, Texas
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:30:27 GMT


Sailors and others,

I would appreciate any clue that will allow me to watch some TV pictures of the America's. Cable or Houston local are most appreciated of course. In my quick readings of the last (500+ !) postings, it seems that I missed one (recent?) ESPN broadcast. I will be terribly mad to miss anymore of those.

Thanks.
-- 
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Rice University, Dept. of Computer Science		(W): 527-8750 x2352
Houston, Texas.						(H): 667-8192
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: rockmore@deimos.ads.com (A. Joseph Rockmore)
Subject: digital charts
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, a division of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
	Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:33:21 GMT


does anyone out there in rec.boats-land know where i can get digital
charts?  in particular, charts of the san francisco bay and delta?
any leads or ideas appreciated.
--



	...joe

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From: boots@sptekwv2.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Darrell Irvin;685-2277;60-850;;sptekwv2)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Old Gas in Tank
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:43:38 GMT
Reply-To: boots@orca.wv.tek.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.,  Beaverton, OR

In article <1992Apr6.164725.9284@cbnews.cb.att.com>, mak@cbnews.cb.att.com (mark.a.kelly) writes:
|> 
|> At the end of last season, I had 5 gallons left in my boat's tank, so I
|> siphoned it, and put it in my car.  Since your gas maybe older, you could 
|> put a gallon at a time in with a full tank, and get by fine.  I thought
|> I would notice the OMC oil burning while I drove the car, but I could not
|> tell the difference, and it ran fine.
|> 
Just make sure the gas is not leaded.  Even tiny amounts of lead
can poison the catalytic converter in a car.  Big bucks ($600) to replace.
I gave a bunch of old gas (4 year old leaded) to a friend with a 1950 tractor.
It burns anything that even looks like gas.

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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dave@rsd.dl.nec.com (Dave Rogers)
Subject: Re: Liveaboard
Organization: NEC America, Radio Software Development, Dept.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:01:53 GMT

In article <35057@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU>, crandall@webb.psych.ufl.edu (Chris Crandall) writes:
|> 
|> >   After we "squeezed" a 46 foot morgan with no engine into a slip it was time
|> >to check out the local talent for sale. There are an amazing number of boats
|> >for sale........  The situation is not going to change for a long time. 
|> >The only boat builder left in the area is Morgan/Catalina. 
|> >Two builders closed in the area
|> >last year. 
|> 
|>      Are you sure?  Last I heard, several sail boat builders were being
|> quite successful in the area.  Three examples that come to mind are
|> Island Packet, Hutchins (Compac Yachts), and the people who make the
|> Sea Pearls.
|> 

Also the largest ...  St.  Petersberg Shipbuilding.  They have built
over 500 Brewer 42s in the last several years.  Many custom boats are
built by "ship builders" which do not build any "stock" boats and
Tampa/St.  Pete have a dozen or so of them.

===============================================================================
Dave Rogers                    				        Morgan 30/2 #60
M & R Software, Inc					        USYRU 37296
Internet:   dave@rsd.dl.nec.com
On contract to: NEC America, Radio Software Dept

Don't take life too seriously; you're not going to get out of it alive anyway.

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: d_martin@engr
Subject: Re: Web frames
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 17:30:34 GMT

re: What are web frames

Web frames are basically large (thick) transverse frames.
The name comes from the fact that they are typically built up
as a girder (like a T)  The two pieces that make it up are the
web (I part) and the flange (_ part).  

Something else to look out for are Breast hooks.  These are the 
flat horizontal plates that hold the bow section together.

Dave.
From: HF.RLW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lee Wood, 3-6284)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Need a Laser Mast
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:57:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: morrow.1992Apr9.195715.25365
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA

Bay Area Sailors,

Anyone know where I can obtain a serviceable used mast for a Laser?  My
neighbor abandoned his Laser to me when he moved away.  The hull, foils,
and sail are OK, but the mast has a slight bend, giving me a permanent
"speed wrinkle" - much too flat.  I'm nowhere near competitive on Wednesday
nights.

Please reply by Email, unless you think everyone would be interested.

Anyone interested in informally racing Lasers on Wednesday nights should
plan to come out to Seal Slough in San Mateo at the boat launch/Harbor
Police/beach facility just north of the Fish Market.  We haven't started
yet, but it's getting warm/light enough soon.  If I get any people
interested, I'll post when we get started.

Oh, and BTW, don't split rec.boats.  We can all learn from one another.


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From: rwatkins@bbn.com (Ron Watkins)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: BVI IN JULY
Date: 13 Apr 1992 17:23:51 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Reply-To: rwatkins@BBN.COM (Ron Watkins)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

a reasonable guide to have is the
cruising guide to the virgin islands
and of course 1 or 2 charts...the main chart generally supplied
in VI covers everything except anagada
and to get there, just leave virgin gorda and head 350 for 14
miles...btw: there are no longer 2 red cans marking the fairly
tricky entrance to anagada, just 1, then look 060 for the green
then reef read ! 
if one would like some "recommendations" then feel free to email
me. (i deliver boats there every spring and fall and know the locals
pretty well) 

disclaimer:  i really like being the only boat in a particular bay and
shy away from the steel-band loving "cruising" crowd....thus
one will not find my recommending drakes and bitter end.

HAVE A GREAT TRIP MON !
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: preece@sbpexe.enet.dec.com (Ian Preece)
Subject: Re: What's BOC stand for... (partial)
Reply-To: preece@sbpexe.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:35:03 GMT


In article <1992Apr14.201906.29239@walter.bellcore.com>,
sau@sleepy.bellcore.com (Stephen A Uhler) writes:


>Would you believe British Oxygen Company, the original sponsor.
>


Who were, at one time, called "British Oxygen Gases", but changed
their name, possibly to avoid being called "BOG"  ;-)

Ian

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       "I wouldn't *work* for a company that held opinions like mine."      

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From: klundqvi@abo.fi (Kurt Lundqvist AT)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Advice on battery cables wanted
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:59:01 GMT
Organization: Abo Akademi University


cogen@ll.mit.edu writes:

>I intend to move by batteries from their location near the engine, to a
>location up forward near the middle of the boat, for better weight
>distribution.  This will result in battery cables approximately 18 feet long.
>Does anyone have any accurate recommendations on what gauge wire I need for a
>run of this length? Please let me know what you based your recommendation on.
 
>The boat is a 20' Reinell with Mercruiser 470 engine (170 hp). The batteries
>are your average marine deep cycle batteries.
 
>The reason I'm doing this is, I am adding other things to the rear which will
>add considerable weight to the rear (a 5 hp auxiliary outboard), so I want to
>compensate for this. Besides, the battery connections are rusted and should be
>replaced anyway.


One think that there should be someone at MIT who could help you with this
problem ;-). Anyway, the resistivity for copper is 1.724 ohm mm^2/m at 20 C
(Hope you are familiar with SI-units). This will allow you to calculate
the voltage loss for different wire sizes (voltage=current*resistance).
You will have to know how much current your starter motor takes (should
be about 100 - 200 A). Or then you can use 100 mm^2 wires and forget 
the calculations :-).

Kurt
From: bartley@spss.com (Dennis Bartley)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Power on AC boats
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:02:13 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

(Roy Smith) writes:
>	Of course there's power.  The power source is a half dozen gorillas
>fueled by carbohydrates.  The hydraulics are almost certainly hand-pumped.
>In some of the shots you can see guys pumping a big lever, which I assume
>is the hydraulic pump (or one of several; there's probably one for the mast
>ram, one for the vang, etc, etc).
>
>	Question: I know you're not allowed to use power from engines, etc,
>but what about wind or water-powered generators?  It's probably not a good
>way to make your boat go fast, but is it legal under IYRU/USYRU rules to
>have a wind generator which generates electricity that you use to pump
>hydraulic backstays, run electric winches, etc?  Strictly speaking, it
>seems like it would meet the requirement of "using only the wind and
>water".
>-- 

There's also batteries to run instruments.

Rule 57: MANUAL and STORED POWER

         A Yacht's standing rigging, running rigging, spars, and
         movable hull appendages shall be adjusted and operated by
         manual power only. and no device shall be used for these
         operations that derives assistance from stored energy for
         doing work. A power winch or windlass may be used in weighing
         anchor..., and a power pump may be used on an auxiliary
         yacht.


Seems like you must use a manual winch for racing. 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: pkersale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Philippe Herve Kersale)
Subject: Re: scanned pictures of sailing boats wanted
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 22:35:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.163311.9846@rice.edu>, karim@cs.rice.edu (Karim Esseghir) writes:
|> I've been looking for xv viewable pictures of sailing boats in different ftp sites without success. If you are in possession of such pictures, could you please email them to me? Better yet, if you know of a general public access ftp site that has them, wo|> uld you please send me their address? 
|> I can view gif, jpg, jpeg files without problems, I don't know about other formats.
|> Thanks.
|> 
|> -- Karim --
|> 

Please, email me also (or send on the net).
I am very interested. 

philippe kersale
Department of Operation Research
Stanford University
From: eckhouse@athena.mit.edu (D. Noah Eckhouse)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: A3 boat on highway
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:03:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr14.185758.10503@qualcomm.com> wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.172226.26714@uhura.neoucom.edu> 
>lwg@uhura.neoucom.edu (Lowell W. Gerson) writes:
>> Monday (or Tuesday) I saw a boat headed east on I-76 that 
>> had A3 and the jayhawk logo on the side.  I was passing
>> under an overpass so I couldn't get a real good look
>> or judge size. But it sure looked like Kanza.  Anyone know
>> what she was.
>
>It was, in fact, Jayhawk.  I believe they've got Jayhawk touring the 
>country on a fund-raising drive, or something like that.
>

Jayhawk is making her way East (I don't know about stops along the
way), eventually to end up at the World Trade Center in Boston for
DECworld, at the end of April.  I've been involved in designing the
DECworld/America^3 demo for the show, and I think you all would be
very interested in seeing it.  It's basically a fun 'Boat design game'
constructed from all of the pieces of software and design that we have
used at A3.  I don't work for DEC or anything, just thought you'd like
to know.  So stop by the booth if you're going to DECworld.

There are batteries on the IACC boats.  What do you think runs the B&G
systems, or the onboard PC's for data logging?  Hydraulics are manual,
though.


=====================================
Noah Eckhouse
Consultant, America^3 Foundation &
Research Specialist
MIT Department of Ocean Engineering
77 Massachusetts Avenue, Room 1-225
Cambridge, MA  02139
617/253-5900  eckhouse@athena.mit.edu
From: paulh@tekcae.cax.tek.com (Paul Hammer)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: BVI IN JULY, INFO WANTED
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:59:48 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


>I stay away from the other American Virgin Islands.

Why?

-rcf
From: mike@ravel.udel.edu (Michael James Porter)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Lets split rec.boats (NO)
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:20:25 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

No splits, please.  There are enough newsgroups without adding
more.  I also have othger reasons, but they have been stated by other
writers.
From: paulh@tekcae.cax.tek.com (Paul Hammer)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Navy trash dumping
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:54:58 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


>to be a pig and dump it over the side.

Hey!  So why are you slandering pigs?  There are absolutely
no substantiated reports on record of pigs littering!  In
fact, given half a chance a pig will lead a remarkably
clean life.  Its those farmers who force pigs to live
in mud pits that have given pigs their undeserved
reputation.

What?  Boats?  Oh...

-rickf

Um... :-)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: mikes@skylight.bae.bellcore.com (Michael Savino)
Subject: Compass Adjuster Wanted
Reply-To: mikes@bae.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 19:22:41 GMT

Hi all,
Dave Stoffel's post looking for compass adjusment software gave me
the idea to ask the net for recommendations on professional compass
adjusters in the New Jersey/New York region. We'll be doing the
Newport-Bermuda race again this year and having an accurate compass is
a must.  There is actually two compasses to adjust, the one at the
binacle and there is a flux-gate for the electronic instruments.
Again, does anyone know of a reputable adjuster in the area?

Thanks,
Michael

-- 
"Wanted to sail upon your waters since I was three feet tall"
					 J. Buffett