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From: napier@cs.ucsd.edu (Jim Napier)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: remakes
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:37:37 GMT
Organization: AMES Dept., UC San Diego


In article <1992Sep29.144641.20386@ncsu.edu>, jadillin@eos.ncsu.edu (JOHN ANTHON DILLINGHAM) writes:
|> 
|> Maybe some of you loyal rmb'ers can help with something.  I recently heard
|> a remake of 'I've got a feeling' on the local college radio station.  It 
|> actually wasn't all that bad, not even close to the original, but tolerable.
|> 
|> Anyway, does anyone know who sings it?  It sorta sounded like Pearl Jam or
|> Soundgarden or someone along those lines.  Your help is appriciated!
|> 
|> BTW, Siouxsie and the Banshees also do a really good version of 'Dear Prudence'
|> 
|> 
|> BRIAN------------

I don't know if this is what you heard but when I was going through my album
collection recently I came across something I had forgotten I bought. It was
an album by a band named KGB, which was a temporary outfit with Mike Bloomfield,
John Hammond (I think), Rick Grech, and someone else who's name escapes me.
Anyway there was a version of I've Got A Feeling on it that was quite a funky
departure from the original version but I really enjoyed it. I think it had
some slide guitar on it.  

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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: mcrosbie@unix1.tcd.ie (Mark J. Crosbie)
Subject: Re: track listings
Organization: Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 11:54:22 GMT

In <26711@castle.ed.ac.uk> helper@castle.ed.ac.uk (A Wilson) writes:

>Can someone give me track listings for A hard days night, help and
>beatles for sale?
>Arthur Wilson

Here it is:

A Hard Day's Night:
A: A hard day's night
   I should have known better
   If I fell
   I'm happy just to dance with you
   And I love her
   Tell me why 
   Can't buy me love
B: Anytime at all
   I'll cry instead
   Things we said today
   When I get home
   You can't do that
   I'll be back

Beatles for Sale:
A: No reply
   I'm a loser
   Baby's in black
   Rock and Roll music
   I'll follow the sun
   Mr. Moonlight
   Kansas City / hey hey hey hey!
B: Eight days a week
   Words of love
   Honey don't
   Every little thing
   I don't want to spoil the party
   What you're doing
   Everybody's trying to be my baby
   
Help!:
A: Help!
   The night before
   You've got to hide your love away
   I need you
   Another girl
   You're going to lose that girl
   Ticket to ride
B: Act naturally
   It's only love
   You like me too much
   Tell me what you see
   I've just seen a face
   Yesterday
   Dizzy miss Lizzy

Hope that helps!

Robert Crosbie
c/o mcrosbie@unix1.tcd.ie
Trinity College, Dublin
Dublin
Ireland
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Butcher Cover
From: stevens1@evax2.engr.arizona.edu
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:15:28 MST
Reply-To: stevens1@evax2.engr.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona, College of Engineering and Mines, Tucson

I noticed a couple of posts regarding the value of a "Butcher cover" --
I'm no expert, but I did notice that a used bookstore here in Tucson
was offering a rather worsted one for $300.  Then again this store is
known for gouging its customers, they probably paid half that.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Archives and fair use laws
Summary: Beatles lyrics via ftp
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 23:48:28 GMT

James Demes quotes my article and further suggests:

>>*Some* Beatles lyrics are available at cs.uwp.edu (in directory 
>>pub/music/lyrics). Chords to some Beatles songs may be found at
>>ftp.nevada.edu (in directory pub/guitar/Beatles).
>>Many ftp sites are reluctant to house Beatles lyrics because it's
>>a copyright infringement.

>According to the new disclaimers at cs.uwp.edu, the database falls under
>"fair use", and therefore is not an infringement.  FTP to the database
>to read the copyright notice.

I was amused to read their copyright notice. They quote Title 17 of
the U.S. copyright codes warning readers of their archive that the
material is "not to be used for any purpose other than private study, 
scholarship, or research"...which would protect the user of their
on-line service but doesn't cover cs.uwp.edu itself or the person(s)
who input the lyrics. The site would have to have an agreement with
Northern Songs allowing the use of these lyrics in what is essentially
a public forum. Something tells me this hasn't been done.

My point was that complete lyrics collections may not be found on
most electronic bulletin boards or in ftp archives (like the one
Bob Clements most kindly manages for r.m.b.) because it *is* a
violation of copyright regulations. This isn't fair use. Fair use
is you, the scholar, reading the lyrics in a legitimate forum, such
as the published collections of Beatles lyrics, and quoting a passage
or two for scholarly or review purposes. Fair use laws cannot be
stretched to cover publication outside licensed areas. 

But it's equally true that cs.uwp.edu, if I'm correct that they
lack permission from Northern Songs, probably won't get nabbed.
Electronic media are worlds unto themselves. :-)

--
"They play mostly their own compositions and one of the boys 
has written a song which I really believe to be the hottest
material since 'Living Doll'."
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From: poosala@cs.wisc.edu (Viswanath Poosala)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Names in songs: Maxwell et al
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:35:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Oct15.173515.22050
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept

Hi,
	I have been curious for a long time about who Maxwell
(of Silver hammer fame) and Lucy were. Thanks to rmb, I found
out about Lucy's Julian Lennon connection and Dr Robert(s).
Can someone (ofcourse saki can) tell me who Maxwell was?

	It would be a great help if someone gives hints about
where I can find info about stories behind the names and
places mentioned in the songs.
		Thanks,
				- Vishy

PS: From the articles that are posted on rmb I feel that these
questions are going to be real silly. Well gotta start sometime.

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Subject: FTP lyric
From: hey, it is yourself <WJMCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Sunday, 11 Oct 1992 16:25:00 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

    Where can I ftp lyric of all Beatles songs ?
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter)
Subject: Beatles Book Contact Info (& Paul)
Keywords: Beatles
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:40:12 GMT



This was asked for, I tried posting, but being new to *this*
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From: erobinette@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Paul's Rick bass:  when did he use it?
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:42:09 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1992Oct14.053426.173254@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis) writes:
> I know that Paul used a Rick bass during many of the Sgt. Pepper and Magical
> Mystery Tour sessions.  Can anyone fill me in on the time period when he used
> one?  I seem to remember reading somewhere that he used a 6 string Rick bass
> on Sgt. Pepper (or at least the majority of it), but I have seen him in
> pictures with a 4 string version.
> 
> The reason I am asking is because I find myself liking many of Paul's bass
> contributions during this time period, and am curious if it is partly due to
> him using his Rick.
> 
> Any insights?

I think so. If I recall correctly, Paul got the bass as a freebie ca. 1966.
He used it on and off with the Beatles, seemingly preferring his Hofner.
After forming Wings he used the Rick almost exclusively until about 1989 when
he began using a Wal 5-string given to him by Linda. I haven't seen much of the
Rick since--Paul compalined it was heavy.

Also, I think that the quality of his riffs was not due so much to the fact
that he used a Rick. I think it had more to do with his unparalleled bass
playing. However, I do think Paul's liking of the Rick prmpted him to bring
the bass to the fore in the mixes--witness "Paperback Writer"/"Rain"

Eric Robinette
erobinette@desire.wright.edu
From: gaukur@rhi.hi.is (Kristjan Gaukur Kristjansson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Covers
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:56:11 GMT


Just my 0.02 on covers.

During my visit to the US a few years back I went to a show in some amusement
park that was supposed to cover the history of US popular tunes.  Now the only
thing I remember from that show is when one of the singers sat down and started
to mistreat 'Yesterday'.  Well, at least the rest was all-american.

				Gaukur.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: Producers?
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 21:09:56 GMT

In article <1o1asB1w164w@sheltie.chapel-hill.nc.us> rberry@sheltie.chapel-hill.nc.us (Robert Berry) writes:
>
>My favorite musical Beatles quotation was in a Don Dixon concert I went
>to.  *If* you know who Don Dixon is, and *if* you know his song
>"Southside Girl," try substituting the bridge from "Ticket to Ride" for
>the song's own bridge.  Dixon did this in a Charlotte concert I went to,
>and it fit so perfectly that I didn't even realize at first that
>anything was different.

Is this the same Don Dixon who's produced REM, The Smithereens, and
Guadalcanal Diary with such brilliance?

I always thought Julian Lennon would benefit from a Dixon-produced
album.

--
"The Lana Sisters, clad in pink, added a welcome feminine flavour.
'Much better than those Beatles' I heard one gentleman remark."
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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: jdr@kepler.unh.edu (John D Russo)
Subject: Re: Couple of Questions
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:17:31 GMT

In article <5420@krafla.rhi.hi.is> gaukur@rhi.hi.is (Kristjan Gaukur Kristjansson) writes:
>In <1992Oct13.093304.1447@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> marulanda@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
>
>>What other song besides FLYING (Magical Mystery Tour) is attributed to 
>>all four Beatles?
>
>Maggie Mae, and I thing one of Ringos, maybe Octop. garden.
>
>			Gaukur.
On the Abbey Road liner notes, Octopus's garden is attributed to Starkey.

-John


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From: rmb@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu (Robert Braham)
Subject: UK national record archives
Reply-To: rmb@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu
Organization: Computer Center, CUNY Graduate School, New York NY 10036
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:48:22 GMT

I just got on my Humanist list a reference to UK national
archives of recorded sound and some beatles stuff they have
there.

I'd be happy to post the letter here--if I knew how (it's in
my regular VAX mail directory).  Where is--what's the internet
address--of rec.music.beatles in "reality," ie, when it's not
on Usenet?

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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: Christer.Gullstrand@malmo.trab.se (Christer Gullstrand)
Subject: Re: HELP!!
Keywords: help
Organization: Telia Research, Malmo, Sweden
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 09:28:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.220217.28424@math.ucla.edu> dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki) writes:
>In article <swindley.718542516@s1.elec.uq.oz.au> swindley@elec.uq.oz.au (Robert Swindley) writes:
>>  What are the beatles spelling on the cover of HELP?
>It's "NUJV", according to Lewisohn. My knowledge of semaphore is a

Notic the difference between the US and UK version of the album cover.
I always thought it was H E L P on one and H P L E on the other...
But never mind...

Christer
From: CGARNER@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: The Fabs first EMI contract
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:23:44 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <6367@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>
ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk (R Clement) writes:

>
>In article <randall.718332578@seashore> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) wries:
>
>>Martin makes an interesting comment in "The Making of Sgt. Pepper":
>>
>>   John and Paul couldn't write a good song at all when they started.
>>   "Love Me Do" was the best they could come up with.  The blossoming
>>   of their songwriting talent later was remarkable.
>>
>>He was speaking the truth.  The Lennon-McCartney songs on the Decca
>
>Not true! They had written "I saw her standing there" which is a classic
>song.

Yes true! If they did have ISHST at that time (still titled Sevevteen)
it probably wasn't near it's final arranged form.  The same with Please
Please Me.  The fabs included PPM as part of the repertoire they played
GM when he decided LMD was the "best of the lot".  After LMD was released
they changed the arrangement, sped up the tempo and bingo....#1 !!!!

cg


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From: a70901@uwasa.fi (Mikko Suhonen)
Subject: Re: Couple of Questions
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 09:32:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.215708.27398@seas.smu.edu> shyamal@seas.smu.edu (Shyamal Prasad) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.093304.1447@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> marulanda@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
>>Questions Galore:
>>What other song besides FLYING (Magical Mystery Tour) is attributed to 
>>all four Beatles?  Who kept the Copyright of songs that weren't 
>>Lennon-McCartney or Harrisongs?
>>Anyone know the story behind Dr Robert?
>
>It's been a while, but ....."What Goes On" has credits to all four.
>I left all my albums back home on the other side of the world :-(, so
>anyone to check this up?
>
>
>-- 
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"What goes on" has credits to all four except George Harrison.
"Dig it" is credited to all four, and "Maggie May" is credited
"trad. Harrison-Lennon-McCartney-Starr".

-- 
Mikko Suhonen
Vaasa, Finland
(a70901@uwasa.fi)
From: connie@uga.edu (Connie M. Doss)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: BEATLES LIVE
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:26:27 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

I have a bootleg Beatles album live at Whiskeyflat in Atlanta GA but I
have been told they never played in Atlanta.  Does anyone know if they
ever played there?  Does anyone know what the value of the album
Yesterday and Today butcher cover?  It has one bent corner but other
than that it is in great shape.  

Connie Mobley
Statistics
University of Georgia
From: bad@pismo.sw.stratus.com (Bruce Dumes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Founders Of Capitol Records
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:32:47 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <1992Oct09.171944.26687@brtph560.bnr.ca> cnc405@bnr.ca (Charles Board) writes:
>
>Can anyone tell me who the three founders of Capitol Records were?
>(One will do)
>

Gene Krupa was one, I believe.

Bruce




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From: stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: The Fabs' first compositions
Date: 8 Oct 92 07:21:20 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki) writes:
: 1962, but no earlier. The presence of the wailing harmonica in the
: early taped version would certainly suggest that John had had his
: close encounter with Bruce Chanel's/Delbert McClinton's "Hey Baby"
: (the Beatles appeared with them on 21 June 1962), but the absence (as
: far as we can tell) of "Seventeen" from the EMI audition lineup (so
: far as the records indicate) leads me to think that it was just about
: to see the light of day, but not quite there.

To be fair, John actually did say that he wanted the same sound as
"Hey Baby".


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From: mcodogno@nyx.cs.du.edu (Maurizio Codogno)
Subject: "Flying"
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 10:42:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.165317.19233@athena.mit.edu> nahigian@athena.mit.edu (Gabriel H Nahigian) writes:
>
>     "Flying" is the only song on which all four Beatles share writing credits.

well, Maggie Mae is credited as "Traditional - arranged by JPGR".
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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: BEATLES LIVE
From: kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:51:26 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <7208@transfer.stratus.com>, bad@pismo.sw.stratus.com (Bruce Dumes) writes:
> In article <1992Oct12.203641.7796@rigel.econ.uga.edu> connie@uga.edu (Connie M. Doss) writes:
>>Butcher cover is mono.  Its first state, cover in very good shape except
>>for one bent corner.  I am not greedy just want to know the value of it.
> 
> Sorry to offend!  I wasn't talking about you!
> 
> The "book value" in MINT condition is $2,000.  That is really TOP DOLLAR
> though, and only the very naive or the very rich pay that kind of money
> for one.  

   I seem to recall that a Butcher cover holds the record for
the highest amount paid for a record, over $20,000 for a sealed
copy.  I know it's higher than $2000 because I saw one at a 
record convention last spring (unsealed) for $6000.

Karl

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From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Subject: Re: "Seventeen"
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:24:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.201633.27345@math.ucla.edu> dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki) writes:
>In article <6379@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk (R Clement) writes:
>>The version on the Hamburg tapes sounds fairly near it's final form. 
>>I re-assert
>>my original thesis. (Serious - I think it's a great song).
>
>There's an earlier tape, of lesser fidelity, commonly known as the
>"Cavern Sessions", where "Seventeen" is being played at a slower
>tempo and is accompanied by a rather torturous harmonica. Have you
>heard this one? The players are still clearly working out the 
>song's structure and arrangement. It's hard to tell whether this
>version was really recorded at the Cavern Club or comes from some
>portable tape recorder used during an EMI run-through session, or
>whether it was recorded in another practice venue. The session is
>not, of course, dated. But circumstantial evidence indicates 
>several hypotheses:
>

Although saki doesn't mention it, these tapes are available on
the "Yellow Dog" release of the Decca auditions.  Not an essential
release, but nice for the brief "Cavern" tape, and the *complete*
Decca auditions.  (incl: "Hello Little Girl" and "Love of the Loved",
absent on most if not all of the quasi-legal releases)

>c) A careful listen to the mysterious "Cavern" tape, with the slow
>"Seventeen", reveals a slightly more complex percussion element than
>Pete Best was capable of producing. It may be a judgement call, but
>I'd swear on The Book and The Chron both that this is Ringo playing
>drums on the work-through version...and Ringo didn't join the group
>till August 1962.
>

The tape was played to Ringo, and he verified that it was definitely him
playing.  He had no memory of the exact recording, or why it was made,
but he did recall that shortly after he joined the group, the foursome
often had impromptu, unscheduled rehearsals in the empty Cavern club.
(Which would support the bootlegger's claim that the tape did originate
at that historic venue)

When I first heard the tape, I remembered a bit of legend claiming George
Martin had originally wanted "Please Please Me" to be a live album, recorded
at the Cavern.  Although there is no solid evidence backing this claim, (I
believe it comes from Philip Norman's _Shout!_, but don't have the reference
handy here) I have to wonder whether that story originated with the discovery
of this tape, possibly recorded by GM, or some other EMI person.  [Norman 
could have heard the tape while writing _Shout!_.  He had access to the 
"Quarrymen Rehearsals" tape long before it started making the rounds]  Just
a thought, anyway...

<ESC>
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