From: calvin@dinkum.mti.sgi.com (Calvin Vu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: Re: Clinton
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:37:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <Bw5GJA.BE9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cvp47601@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kinky (Afro) Winky Vinky) writes:

| knguyen@emr1.emr.ca (Kim Nguyen) writes:
| 
| 
| >-Bush, as an experienced guy, has solved many problems (Berlin Wall, oil
| >supply in Kuwait, collapse of Soviets). The atmosphere is ready for a
| >recovery. Let him do it. Reading lips of Perot or Clinton looks like
| >flipping coin.
| 
| 
| Wow...I didn't know Bush single-handedly solved all these problems!
| Berlin Wall-- what the hell did George Bush do?
| Kuwait---     think about all those people that died for oils. 
| 	      Is it another 'Vietnam'? And all for what?
| USSR----      what the hell did he do? (again) 
| 	      and all this time I thought it was the economy and that ppl
| 	      there wanted a change?

	Hmmm, let me see if I can remember Al Gore's quote on this
    subject:

    "Saying George Bush is responsible for the Berlin wall coming down
    is like saying the rooster is responsible for the sunrise".

	Well, Saint George and his puppy may crow and cuckoo but it was 
    Gorbachev who was awared the Nobel Peace Prize for ending the Cold War.

	BTW, there is a hundred times more proofs to link GB to the delay
    of hostage release in Iran, to the arms for hostage deal, to the Contra
    affair, to the Neil Bush's S&L rifoff, to the Norriega's rise and
    fall and every drug deal in between, to the arms sales to China
    after the Tienamen square massacre (was it because his brother
    was a high-paid "advisor" for Hughs Aircraft which just got a big
    arms deal with China ?), to the abuse of government's power (by using
    the state department, the FBI, the CIA, and the police force to
    go after high profile Democrat to search for scandals), to the 
    support of the later-turned-into-evil Saddam Hussein, to the support
    of China which is the most hardcore Communist country in the world,
    to all the worst false promises that have been told in this country,
    to the building up of a conservative and obedient Supreme Court which,
    with time, will be able to take away all civil rights that have been
    established in the last 30 years (abortion and Affirmative Action
    are the first two that come to mind) than to the fall of Cummunism 
    in Eastern Europe and USSR.   After all, all these terrible deeds are
    either done directly by him, or indirectly by his relatives, or
    his subordinates whereas I can't see any proof that Gorbachev is
    a CIA agent or had any connection/talk with North, Casey (the old
    CIA director), or Gates (the new CIA director) so Bush could claim to
    have a hand in the collapse of Communism.  It would irk me less if Nixon 
    claimed that credit since he established connection with China and 
    isolated USSR into changing its way.  But Bush ?  Com'on.  What did 
    he do ? Making the loudest crow when the sun rises ?

	One promise made by Bush which I heard from Ron Owens on KGO
    morning talk show is that he promised 35 millions new jobs if he
    gets elected.  In Ron Owens's own words: "Do you know how many new
    jobs Bush promised when he ran for election in 1988 ?  5 million ?
    10 million ? 20 million ?  No, it's 35 million.".  And look at the
    state of US economy today.  Of course, he could say that he was
    not responsible for anything, just like he blamed Congress for
    his "Read my lips.  No new taxes" false promise.  And his promises for
    a "kinder and gentler nation" ? An educational president ? An 
    environmental president ?  And the Willie Horton scandal to thrash
    Dukakis as if he could do anything different if he got elected
    president ?
    
    	Why would anybody want to vote for a person who doesn't know what 
    the hell he is talking about and claim irresponsibility for anything that 
    gets done by his subordinates and/or colleagues  under his presidency/
    vice presidency ?   What is he responsible for then ?  For events that
    are done by non-US citizens on the other side of the globe like
    the Berlin wall ?  How about the Tienamen Square massacre ?  Is
    he responsible for that massacre since he claim to have "influence"
    over the Chinese government and he wanted to keep a good diplomatic
    relation with China to maintain that "influence" ?   If he indeed
    had had any teeny little bit of influence over the Chinese government
    wouldn't he be partly responsible for that massacre ?   If he doesn't
    have any shitty bit of influence over China then why does he keep
    vetoing Congress and give China the prefered trade status.

Myself, I will never ever vote for any Republican, big or small, good or
bad, until I don't have any doubt that all government agencies: Supreme
Court, CIA, FBI, Police, State Department, The National Security Council
etc. are working for the U.S.  government and not for the Republican Party.
As long as things like the Iran Contra affair [where US government agencies 
worked against the US president and sabotaged his effort to get the 
hostages released early in order to get a Republican elected] are still 
likely to happen again Republican just won't get my votes.  There are just 
two many fishy things that happened in the last 30 years to make me 
distrust all Republicans, especially a President.

- calvin
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Calvin H. Vu	
calvin@sgi.com