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From: stasko@cc.gatech.edu (John Stasko)
Subject: Re: Phoenix Courses Referals Wanted
Reply-To: stasko@cc.gatech.edu (John Stasko)
Organization: College of Computing, Georgia Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:00:34 GMT

In article <19q6kbINN1da@agate.berkeley.edu> templin@grayling.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Fred Templin) writes:
>I have no personal experience golfing in Phoenix but FWIW
>this month's issue of Golf Digest had an extensive golf-related
>travel section on Arizona. (The issue is the one with Cory Pavin
>on the cover.)
>

I've been considering a golf vacation out in Arizona this Dec. and
have been looking for pointers.  Unfortunately, the travel sections in
Golf Digest are regional; here in the east we didn't get that
particular article.  If someone would be kind enough to make a copy
and send it to me, I'd be glad to reimburse copying, mailing, etc.
(Drop me an email line if this is possible.)  Thanks ahead for any
help.
--John

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From: javery@bnr.ca (Joel Avery)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: And lo .... the ball went straight
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:10:50 GMT
Reply-To: javery@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

In article <1992Sep25.181233.1930@mmm.serc.3m.com>, us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi) writes:
|> 
|> Thank you to several people that e-mailed and posted suggestions
|> on how I could straighten my drive.  Some of the suggestions were:
|> 
|> 1.  Keep your right elbow in
|> 2.  Don't roll left wrist clockwise
|> 3.  Address the ball from further away
|> 4.  Keep a loose grip
|> 5.  Swing with leg muscles
|> 6.  Left thumb rolled more to the left on the club.
|> 7.  Keep your left shoulder higher than your right
|> 8.  SEE A PRO
|> 
This season, I too, developed a slice, so I followed this thread with great
interest.  Point #1 seemed like it might be a culprit, so I took to the driving
range with an emphasis on making sure my elbow was in.  Sure enough, I was 
knocking them straight.  Hit a course yesterday, and shot a record low score,
even though it rained for the front nine, and 80 km/h winds for the back.

Thanks!
From: bsmith@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (ROBERT SMITH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Build-your-own Catalogs
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:31:32 GMT
Reply-To: robert.d.smith@DaytonOH.NCR.COM
Distribution: na
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

I would greatly appreciate if someone could e-mail or repost the phone numbers
of the vendors for build-your-own club parts (Golfsmith, etc.).  Thanks.
-- 
Bob Smith
E-mail => Robert.D.Smith@daytonoh.ncr.com
From: dye@edison.llumc.edu (Leonard Dye)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Golf Club Cleaner
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:58:44 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: LLUMC Radiation Research Lab

>In article <1992Sep24.125200.2610@dsr.uucp> bobw@dsr.uucp (bobw@dsr.uucp) writes:
>
>golf club cleaner.
>

The local newspaper has an article in the classified section looking for
people who want run their buisness with these machines. The article
states "no competition". Cost 10k plus leasing costs.

Leonard Dye
dye@proton.llumc.edu
From: tjay@src.umd.edu (Thanavat Junchaya)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: need golf suggestion for Myrtle Beach area
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:59:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Systems Research Center, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: tjay@poisson.src.umd.edu

I am thinking about taking golf vacation in Myrtle Beach, S.C. around December.
I saw some post couple of weeks ago but forgot to save them.  Would somebody
please repost them if you still have them.

BTW, how is December weather down there.

Thanks,
Thanavat Junchaya
tjay@src.umd.edu
From: templin@grayling.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Fred Templin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Help! I've lost my swing!
Date: 29 Sep 1992 22:21:22 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grayling.cs.berkeley.edu

My golf swing has left me almost overnight! I've recently begun taking
lessons and the instructor finally got me to start hitting down
on the ball. Low and behold, I started cracking my shots out like
never before and I was beginning to get the "feel" of a good golf
swing. After getting the "feel" grooved, I played several rounds and
recorded some of my best scores ever. (Low 40's for 9 holes.) But,
this past weekend, I went for a long hiking trip in the Sierras and
came back very stiff-legged from the strenuous exercise. Then, last 
night, I went back for another golf lesson and I looked like I'd never
swung a club before in my life!! I was horrified as I shanked ball
after ball and just couldn't get back to that good "feeling" that I
thought I'd mastered just a few weeks before. I sort of felt like the
stiffness in my legs translated into tension throughout my body which
hampered me from making a long, full swing. So, I went back to the
range today to try again but the stiffness and tension were still there
so the results weren't much better than last night. My question is, has
this sort of thing happened to anyone else out there? (The feeling that
you've all of a sudden "lost your swing"?) If so, what did you do to
get it back? Is it best to work through it at the range, or put the clubs
in the corner for a few days and try to forget about it for a while? 
-- 
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	Fred L. Templin
	(templin@grayling.Berkeley.EDU)

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From: birnbaum@cor5.pica.army.mil (Richard C. Birnbaum (GC-ACCURATE) <birnbaum>)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Distances for Ladies
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:53:12 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Armament Research Dev. & Eng. Ctr, Dover NJ

A little while ago there was a thread about how far you hit
with each club.  Only men responded.  My wife is taking up
the game (yay!) and I have no idea if she is hitting the ball
reasonably far.

So ladies, how far do you hit?
From: jcampbel@metz.une.edu.au (MR J CAMPBELL)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Zing wedge problems
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:08:27 GMT
Reply-To: jcampbel@metz.une.edu.au
Originator: jcampbel@metz.une.edu.au

From article <112200062@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, by ronm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Mora):
> 
>     I've got Eye-2's and have noticed the gap from W to SW.
>     Other's I've talked to have noticed also.  My solution
>     was to get rid of the Ping W and SW and replace them
>     with a 50, 54 and 58 degree wedges (Pro-Swing).
>     This pluged the gap nicely.
>     GIR's
>     Ron Mora


You will find that this is not only a problem with ping products but basically
with just about every STANDARD wedge and sand iron that form part of a mathed
set. This is because your long irons start out with 3 degree increments between
clubs (eg 1 iron 17 deg. - 2 iron 20 deg.) and progresses to 4 degree 
(sometimes 5) by the shot irons (eg 9 iron 45 deg. - wedge 49 deg.). Then
the problem arises with the gap between wedge (usually 49 deg.) and the sand
iron (usually 56 deg.) a gap of 7 deg. This problem occurs with just about
all sets. I too found it too be anoying and now carry a 49 deg. wedge 
(Cleaveland 588) 53 deg. diadic wedge (Cleaveland 588 - both with 4 deg. of
rake) and a 58 deg. flop wedge (Ram cobalt Tom Watson 858 with 12 deg. of rake)
I find this combination to be perfect for most situations although on a course
with tight fairways I will replace the Ram with a zero deg. raked Cleaveland
60 deg. wedge. I play off a handicap of 5 (sorry no indexes in Aust., although
my actual is 4.7) and whilst I carried a 1 iron for years I find the third
wedge to be a more valuable club in the bag.


							Cheers Cambo
From: dil@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Perry G Ramsey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Caddie-ing
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:04:51 GMT
Organization: Purdue University, Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences

In article <1a6aaiINNo0k@network.ucsd.edu> kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:
[A very informative post on being a caddy that raised a few questions
worthy of a net.argument.]

>Most of the players I have caddied with either have replaced their 
>own divot or just kicked it in (which I personally think is much
>more effective since most divots die after being replaced).

Heresy!  (But is it true?)

>If your player is in a bunker, you will have to rake it once he is
>done.  Try to make sure that no other player is about to hit before
>you start raking.  

Something tells me that the other player would want the trap raked before
he swings.  Are there really players so impatient that they would rather
hit toward an unraked trap than wait for the caddy to rake it?

> As soon as you player hits his putt, pull the flag out and walk to the edge
>of the green.  It is actually a penalty if your player's putt hits 
>the flagstick.  

What about touching the line of the putt beyond the hole?  Didn't the
armchair officials try to nail John Daly at the PGA for that?

>NEVER wear golf shoes when caddieing.  They will only add additional
>unnecessary spike marks.  If I remember Capilano, it is a pretty hilly 
>course, so wear a comfortable pair of sneakers.  If it is wet,
>an all leather low cut basketball shoe usually does the job.

I was always told never wear anything but golf shoes on a
course.  Spike marks are much less offensive to the line of putt than 
the bumps that 'sneakers' (particularly running shoes)
leave behind.  Who's wrong?
-- 
Perry G. Ramsey         Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences
dil@mace.cc.purdue.edu  Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN USA
perryr@purccvm          Life is short ...
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From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante)
Subject: Caddie-ing
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 04:44:38 GMT

I have been asked by my friend to caddie for him at the World Amateur Golf
Champiionship. I already told him that I have no prior caddie-ing experience,
but he insists that he would be more comfortable with someone he knows that 
with someone else he doesn't.

So my question is quite obvious - can anyone teach me some tips on how to be a
good caddie ? I have asked my friend to brief me with his style of play, but I
would also like to know other things that a caddie should normally be aware of.

If anyone has some tips and suggestions, I would greatly appreciate it.

I would like to know the proper etiquette on greens - like how to tend the
flag, which side of the line of putt to stand when holding the pin, etc.

Does the caddie keep track of the player's score ? Does the caddy keep track of
statistics ? Does the caddy keep notes of fairway conditions ?

I guess caddieing isn't as easy as it sounds, but heck I'd really like to learn.

Thanks to all.
From: boatman@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Boatman)
Subject: Re: need golf suggestion for Myrtle Beach area
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:18:33 GMT

tjay@src.umd.edu (Thanavat Junchaya) writes:

>I am thinking about taking golf vacation in Myrtle Beach, S.C. around December.
>I saw some post couple of weeks ago but forgot to save them.  Would somebody
>please repost them if you still have them.

>BTW, how is December weather down there.

>Thanks,
>Thanavat Junchaya
>tjay@src.umd.edu


I went on a golf vacation this summer in Myrtle Beach, although most of the
courses I played were actually in N.C.  I think the most challenging (and
the most beautiful) was Lions Paw.  It's a good 30 minute drive from N.
Myrtle Beach, but well worth the time.

Enjoy.....Todd


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From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Subject: Re: Warm balls travel farther
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:32:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.022851.27640@trl.oz.au> thompson@titan.trl.OZ.AU (David Thompson) writes:
>I have a friend who sticks his golf ball down his 'jocks' before leaving
>home for the golf course, he reckons it warms them up (not sure what he
>means by 'them') and they go further.... ok on a normal golf day, bit of
>a problem when u arraive at the 1st tee in a mixed event!

Sounds like it'd intimidate and/or impress the guys
in the locker room, too...

				--Blair
				  "Uh, no, I have to get home;
				   no time to, uh, shower..."
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From: samg@dadd.ti.com (Samuel G. Goins,SEG,)
Subject: Re: Phoenix golf, revisited
Reply-To: samg@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:17:51 GMT

Figured I'd better respond quick 'fore I get flamed...  I got the term
"reciprocal" straight out of a Golf article, so I'm not making this term up,
not that it's real important, my point was that there was no "daily green fee"
but an "18-hole green fee"...

Yes, I'm sensitive to being flamed, it's been a long week already...
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From: koenig@convex.com (Mark Koenig)
Subject: Re: Phoenix golf, revisited
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:01:22 GMT
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              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:

>>              around that allows reciprocal play.  Several temporary greens

>What do you mean by "reciprocal?"  If you mean that you can
>take off on the back and do the front after, then yes, it
>is sort of rare. 

I believe he means that once you pay $n for a round and cart, you go out
and play again for just the cart fee.  This is quite common place on most
of the courses here in the Dallas/Fort Worth area.  Courses that don't 
allow this are usually not high on the reccomended list.

Good putting!
Mark
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From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Help! I've lost my swing!
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:47:18 GMT
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA

In article <1aakt2INN4gv@agate.berkeley.edu>,
templin@grayling.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Fred Templin) writes:
|> My golf swing has left me almost overnight! I've recently begun taking

  [stuff deleted]

|> so the results weren't much better than last night. My question is, has
|> this sort of thing happened to anyone else out there? (The feeling that
|> you've all of a sudden "lost your swing"?) If so, what did you do to
|> get it back? Is it best to work through it at the range, or put the clubs
|> in the corner for a few days and try to forget about it for a while? 

I bet it happens all the time to all golfers including pros.
I remeber reading this on golf digest that Kite used to hit
40-yard PW shots until he get the swing back.

I tried it several times myself, and it seems to work.

|> -- 
|> ---------------------------------------------------
|> 
|> 	Fred L. Templin
|> 	(templin@grayling.Berkeley.EDU)
|> 
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From: admiral@m-5.Eng.Sun.COM (Michael Limprecht @Sun Micro Mt View. )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Warm balls travel farther
Date: 28 Sep 1992 20:24:35 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: admiral@m-5.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: m-5

In article 9508@ennews.eas.asu.edu, collier@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Ken Collier) writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.185634.10196@ll.mit.edu> rp@llex.ll.mit.edu ( Richard Pavelle) writes:
>>
>>Someone offered a device to me which would keep golf balls
>>warm. The claim is that warm balls will travel farther in 
>>cold weather than cold balls. Is there any basis for this claim?
>>
>
>I have a friend whose dad is an eccentric old golf nut and a phy-
>sicist (I'm not sure which explains the eccentric part).  Anyhow,
>about 10 years ago he hypothesized that warm balls  would  travel
>farther due to the increased core pressure.  In order to test his
>theory he warmed 2 of his balls in the  microwave  for  about  30
>seconds  on  high before playing a round.  He felt (I didn't wit-
>ness this) that his warm golf balls travelled about  15-25  yards
>farther  than  the "unwarmed" bals.  The next time out he decided
>to heat them for 60 seconds to see what effect this  had.   Well,
>when  that  golf  ball  exploded it ripped of the door of the mi-
>crowave and about 6 feet of cabinet work on either  side  of  the
>microwave.   His  wife  was  pissed!   Note: this is not an urban
>folktale! ;-)
>

I remember reading that Ben Hogan used to keep his golf balls in 
a bag with one of those hand warmer pocket heaters for just this
reason. No matter what the weather was.

Of course he also used to sit down and look over every golf ball
he got for uneven paint and slight blemishes. Rejecting anything
that wasn't perfect.

Great golf lore.


Mick
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From: martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Graphite Shafts
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:16:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: chiton.1992Oct2.141654.25873
Organization: UCSD - Scripps Inst. of Oceanogr. - MPL

I was browsing the latest "Golf Illustrated" at the supermarket and noticed
an article on graphite vs titanium vs steel shafts in a comparison of
distance and spread. I couldn't read the whole thing, but their conclusion was
graphite hits longer, titanium hits straighter. They had the details of the
experiment (different club-head speed, toed or heeled shots, etc). I thought
some of you who are into the "shaft thing" might want to know and check
out the article.

Martin
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From: samg@dadd.ti.com (Samuel G. Goins,SEG,)
Subject: Re: Balls bouncing off water
Reply-To: samg@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:26:41 GMT

In article 718379430@convex.convex.com, daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:
>Last time I played Sagamore Golf COurse outside of Boston I was on the
>9th tee elevated over 90 yards of pond to a 210 yard par 3.
>
>I topped a 2 wood to produce a sinking line drive which skipped off the 
>pond and hit a goose sitting on the edge of the pond, and then dropped back 
>in to the pond, if the goose wasn't there it probably would have rolled to the green.

So, is that a BIRDIE?

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From: davet@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Dave Tutelman)
Subject: Re: Balls bouncing off water
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs - Lincroft, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 11:52:47 GMT

Happens often enough.  I've done it, my partners have done it, my son has
done it.....

Most memorable instance in my case:

Typical "synthetic" foursome for a public course; starters always fill in
to four on a busy day.  One guy keeps wanting to "make it interesting"; the
rest of us suspect he's hustling (of course :-), and just say no.

We get to the 11th hole, a par 3 from an elevated tee, over a pond to the
green about 160 yeards away.  The hustler says, "Well, we gotta make it
interesting on THIS one.  Say, a dollar for the tee shot closest to the
hole?"  Well, we all tighten up and blow the shot.  When my turn comes
(last -- sigh!), there's still nobody on the green.  I proceed to blow it
worst of all, flanging it right into the pond.  Well, it skips twice,
climbs the bank, and winds up on the green, ten feet from the hole.

That was the last anybody suggested playing for money that day.  :-)

Dave

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From: bvt@island.island.COM (Brad Van Tighem)
Subject: Courses in Palm Springs
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:47:21 GMT

Dear Desert Golfers-

	Can someone out there recommend a golf course in the Palm Springs
area?  We are looking for a nice course (scenic, well-maintained) which is
good for beginners and not too pricey.  We will probably be playing on a
Saturday in early October.
	Please email me directly (bvt@island.COM) since I do not read net
news that often.

Thanks in advance,

Brad

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From: martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera)
Subject: Re: Hitting straight
Organization: UCSD - Scripps Inst. of Oceanogr. - MPL
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:13:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep22.053737.12672@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, escmar@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Mar Siew Cheong) writes:
> 
>   I took up golf recently (2 weeks ago to be exact). After driving
>   I guess must be close to 1,000 balls by now, with a 7-iron and
>   #1 wood, my both hands are acheing very bad.

One thing that may cause pain in the hands (and wirst, elbows, etc) is
to hit zillion balls off those $&*^# matts sitting on top of concrete blocks.
Upon impact, most of the shock and vibration are absorbed by yourself.

Golf carts, hitting from matts ... I wonder when we'll have the first golf 
course made of astro-turf, with plastic trees and synthetic sand .... Geez!

Martin
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From: exudtn@exu.ericsson.se (Derek Nelson, xt-dL)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Graphite Shafts
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:35:23 GMT
Reply-To: exudtn@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson in North America.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the user and
              not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article 3249@lth.se, d90gl@efd.lth.se (Gustaf Loefberg) writes:
>What's the use in having graphite shafts in your irons?
>If you need to hit an iron longer, you take a longer club.
>I've noticed that Montgomerie and Daly uses firesticked
>irons, is there a reason for this except sponsors money?
>Could it be something with the torque?


i just learned how ti play golf and I think graphite is grate,  Ut us si smooth,
I just love it.

I will play golf alot now.

wow wow wow
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