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From: glenne@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Neuromancer )
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: can't be lucid dreaming
Date: 5 Jan 1993 16:33:47 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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I have had some strange experiences with dreams.   On a couple
of occasions I have had nightmares where I have woken up, and
I feel like my head is going a million miles a second, I can
hear and even feel this sound like a machine made of gears
that is moving so fast that it is near the exploding point and
this is exactly what my head feels like.  And I know that I am
fully awake.  I open my eyes and see my room, but I also see
a line of huge spiders crawling toward me in super high speed.
They look like a computer animation that keeps repeating itself
over and over again.  This has happened a couple of times, and
is not a lucid dream, because I am fully awake when it happens.
I have even gotten up and gotten a drink of water right after
one of these experiences.
 
Last night, I woke up again, only this time when I closed my eyes
I could see what looked like a tiny movie screen, about the size of
a penny held at arms length.  I could see that there was a tiny
"movie" in color, but the screen was too small for me to see clearly
what it was about.  Then around the movie, smoky faces started taking
shape.
 
Perhaps these are lucid dreams.  These weren't at all daydreams, because
I could not control them at all.  I simply watched them.  Yet I find them
hard to categorize as lucid dreams, because I have actually sat up some,
rolled over and simply closed my eyes.  I just felt TOO awake for them
to feel lucid.
 
I interprit a lucid dream to mean being conscious of the fact that
one is dreaming.  (I have never had one of these.)  I wasn't merely
conscious of the fact that I was dreaming, I was fully AWAKE when I
had these dream-like visions, and common sense told me they were not real.
If they had happened other than just after I had woken up from an intense
dream, I'd think I have schitzophrenia.  But I can only remember 3 or 4 times
of this occuring, and it was always immediately after an intense dream.
I have never taken any drugs, except alcohol, and even that is rare.
So they can't be flashbacks.
 
Anyone have a clue what I am experiencing, or had similar experiences?
 
Glenn                             glenne@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: shaw@toadflax.UCDavis.EDU (Rob Shaw)
Subject: Included Mosquito Bite
Keywords: Inclusion
Organization: UC Davis, EECS Division of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 07:07:55 GMT
Reply-To: shaw@toadflax.UCDavis.EDU (Rob Shaw)
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The Vortex mentions that he had a mosquito bite appear in a
dream as a nasty wart. This topic came up last summer, I also
had an ugly, decaying, fatty growth that turned out to be from
a real-life bug bite.

Rob
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: etlcrcy@bugs.ericsson.se (Chris Cleverly)
Subject: Re: B/W repeating dreams
Organization: Ericsson Cellular Division
Distribution: alt.dreams
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:45:17 GMT

>>  On the subject of black and white dreams I had this recurring dream as a child which has recently returned where there are a series of b/w shapes.  Firstly there is a white square with a balck square inside it, with a white square inside the black squa
>re, with a black square inside the white one and so on.  The squares get smaller and smaller to infinity all inside each other.
>
>>  This pattern is then animated.  It is as if I'm moving into an endless void and passing through the tunnel of squares.  They pass me by giving an illusion of black turning to white and white to black etc.
>
>> ...
>>  Another little twist is sometimes I would dream of an air-runway ( of the rope and pulley kind ) from a really high tower over water and I would reluctantly launch myself off and go into the b/w shapes dream.
>
>>  Can anyone shed any light on this ?
>
>Hmmm... I recently discovered that a repeating dream from my childhood was
>in reference to a past life experience, and that there was an unresolved
>aspect to it... Now if you dont believe in reincarnation, these experiences
>can be related to a portion of the psyche that is demanding attention in
>some fashion, so that the information acquired may be dealt with in either
>way and the dream resolved in either case.
>
>As to your specific dream... to *me* it sounds like the tunnel entrance to
>this life ( and similar to the NDE experiences people have ) even though
>your mind puts some interesting flourishes on it like square and triangular
>shapes. 
>
>Good luck!! and Network hugs to you!! 
>
>Karen.
>

 Cheers, interesting - but does anyone else have an opinion on this or had a similar
experience ?  How about a re-occuring dream from childhood ?



--
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| Chris Cleverley,                    |      . . 
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From: ee52fbc@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:13:14 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Do deaf people hear voices in dreams? I don't know. But...

	I have heard that people who were once sighted, then went
blind, can see in their dreams just as sighted people do. However,
people who have been blind from birth do not. They have active
dream lives just like anyone else, but the inputs are all from the
other senses, since they have no concept of what seeing is at all.
It was an interesting article.

	This is a bit off the subject, but one thing that has always
really made my brain hurt is wondering just what it would be like to
have been blind from birth. When I close my eyes, in some sense I am
'seeing black' or else concious that I am not seeing and knowing
that something is missing from my usual experiences. If one didn't
know what seeing WAS, I suppose this would not be the case. I cannot
imagine this, at all, but it is fascinating.

	Maiko

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: jlevy@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (janet.s.levy)
Subject: Re: Inclusions
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:56:54 GMT

In article <katherim.725574413@sfu.ca> katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason) writes:
>I am interested in hearing what people have included in dreams.  I imagine
>that these would all have to be audio, or perhaps olfactory.
>
>I would like to hear of anyone else's experiences that are similar.
>
>Katherine Merle Mason
>

My most startling experience along this line is a dream I had as
a teenager.  I shared a room with my sister.  I dreamt that I was
sitting near a window during a storm at night.  I looked out the
window and saw (with horror) a large hand which crashed through the
window and came right at me.  (I also had my bed next the window.)
The sight and sound were so realistic that I awoke screaming and hid
under the covers.  My screams terrified my sister and brought my
parents into the room.  They were all aggravated at me for awakening
them, when I explained.  I was so sure it had happened.  As I looked
around the room I suddenly saw that in the closet the pole holding
the clothes had broken in the middle and all the hangers had come
crashing to the center and to the floor.  Obviously the noise had
somehow been incorporated into the hand crashing through the window
in the dream.

Janet Levy
jsl@ihlpm.ATT.COM
From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Sleep Disorders Res. Report disclosed
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:03:36 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1993Jan12.132158.19012@ericsson.se>, etlcrcy@bugs.ericsson.se (Chris Cleverley) writes:
>I heard on UK tele that it is perfectly possible to reduce the amount of 
>sleep required over a peroid of weeks and it is perfectly possible
>and *healthy* to
> survive on as little as four hours a night.
> 

I depends on circumstances. For a year, I did the four hours sleep a
night, and was perfectly well rested. This was coupled, however, with
regular exercize, meditation, and a pretty easy job.

I found that when I started grad school, no matter how bad I wanted
it, no matter how much more useful it would be, I couldn't function
under 5 hours.

Now, I can't make it with under 6.
-- 
Happiness is just a                     ******************************
remembrance away.                       *  Lorenzo Farris            *
                                        *  farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu *
                                        ******************************
From: karenm@yenta.alb.nm.us (Karen Millar)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: B/W repeating dreams
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:25:32 GMT
Distribution: alt.dreams
Organization: yenta unix pc, rio rancho, nm

etlcrcy@bugs.ericsson.se (Chris Cleverly) writes:


>  On the subject of black and white dreams I had this recurring dream as a child which has recently returned where there are a series of b/w shapes.  Firstly there is a white square with a balck square inside it, with a white square inside the black square, with a black square inside the white one and so on.  The squares get smaller and smaller to infinity all inside each other.

>  This pattern is then animated.  It is as if I'm moving into an endless void and passing through the tunnel of squares.  They pass me by giving an illusion of black turning to white and white to black etc.

> ...
>  Another little twist is sometimes I would dream of an air-runway ( of the rope and pulley kind ) from a really high tower over water and I would reluctantly launch myself off and go into the b/w shapes dream.

>  Can anyone shed any light on this ?

Hmmm... I recently discovered that a repeating dream from my childhood was
in reference to a past life experience, and that there was an unresolved
aspect to it... Now if you dont believe in reincarnation, these experiences
can be related to a portion of the psyche that is demanding attention in
some fashion, so that the information acquired may be dealt with in either
way and the dream resolved in either case.

As to your specific dream... to *me* it sounds like the tunnel entrance to
this life ( and similar to the NDE experiences people have ) even though
your mind puts some interesting flourishes on it like square and triangular
shapes. 

Good luck!! and Network hugs to you!! 

Karen.


-- 
    Love is the answer...
	Communication Facilities Designer
	Freelance in the Land of Enchantment              Albuquerque, NM
	karenm@yenta.alb.nm.us                             (505) 266-8659
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: bdd@onion.eng.hou.compaq.com (Bruce D. Davis)
Subject: Re: alt.out-of-body
Organization: Compaq Computer Corporation
Summary: OOBE and Dreaming
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:19:00 GMT

In article <1inl6mINNj13@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ak044@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeremy Borger) writes:
>I'm sorry to have to post this here, but it seems many people in this sub are
>also in alt.out-of-body.
>
this may be because most if not all people regularly leave their body during sleep. (and 
because the people interested in dreams/dreaming are also interested in OOBE and visa-versa!)
--
bruce (spin doktor)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: jlevy@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (janet.s.levy)
Subject: Re: Responsibility/Consequences in Dreams
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:01:47 GMT

In article <1hnjn6INN1ra@iraul1.ira.uka.de> s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz) writes:
>affect other things is subject of hot research and even hotter
>debates... 
>
>I have so far assumed the position that I don't think it is impossible
>to interact with others via thoughts (including dreams) but to really
>hurt them would require more than just thinking of it.
>

Hello to everyone - I'm new to this group, but I'm very interested in
many of your threads of discussion.  Your statement about interacting
with others through thoughts and dreams prompts me to write about the
following.  I have a good friend who has strong psychic ability (I have
numerous examples of her abilities if anyone is interested).  She and I
often converse about particularly strange dreams we have had.  On two
occasions she has called me and described a dream in great detail which
corresponded exactly to the novel I was reading the night she had the
dream.  These cases seem too strange to be coincidence since she describes
the scenes and action very closely.  For example, in one case I was
reading a novel about weird events around an old Indian burial ground
where someone is killed by being pulled into a grave by a ghoul
(your typical trashy novel).  She described the scene and action exactly.

Janet Levy
jsl@ihlpm.ATT.COM
From: fearnley@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Fearnley Anne)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: SUNSHINE IN DREAMS ?
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:20:09 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <Peter_Mcnamee.03ez@kumear.apana.org.au> Peter_Mcnamee@kumear.apana.org.au (Peter Mcnamee) writes:
>In a message dated Mon  5 Jan 93 22:07, Zhang@climat.geology.yale.edu
>wrote:
>
> Z>  With only one exception, there is never sunshine in my dreams, and 
> Z> the milieu is always very dark, as if it were perpetual dusk, or the
> Z> sky were
>
>I read once that it's very difficult (impossible?) to switch on a light
>when in a dream.
>
>Perhaps the light level in your dreams is set.  It doesn't have to actually
>mean anythin I wouldn't think...then again...
>

I suspect that this may be more true than many other responses, because of 3
things which I have observed.  

1-  I most often remember the last dream of the night only.  

2-  This morning dream seems to use outside influences more than most other 
    dreams (e.g. lots of water when my husband is taking a shower in the 
    morning, bells (coat hangers), trucks backing up (alarm clock), etc.).

3-  I have been told that I sometimes open my eyes while I sleep, and I have
    observed my husband doing the same thing (and my sister too, though she
    is a sleep walker and does all kinds of weird things in her sleep)

Since we live not too far from the university and that my courses tend to start
later, I usually work later and sleep in the next morning.  My morning dreams 
which had been very dark (but not otherwise troubling or sad) are now often
very bright.  Some may say that that this has a lot to do with getting married,
and they may be right.  But in the light of what was written above, I think it
owes more to the fact that the sun is shining straight into my face.

This may be what is happening to you.  Do you wake up early in the morning?
Do you sleep with the blinds or curtains tightly closed against the sun?
Maybe the darkness of your dreams reflect the darkness of your room.
-- 
Anne Fearnley                                     Dept de math. et de stat.
fearnley@ere.umontreal.ca                         Universite de Montreal
                                                  Montreal, QC
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Do deaf people hear?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:37:49 GMT

Yes.

As I said in the original post, deaf people sometimes speak, sometimes
sign.  This seems to suggest that if they are communicating in speech
they hear it.
 
I imagine it has to do with expectation:  if a person became deaf,
they know what it's like to hear, and can have the expectation of
hearing (from past experience).
 
What I'd ask to the person in the wheelchair who (maybe) never dreamed
of walking: Could she ever walk, or was she born handicapped?  If you
have knowledge of the situation, I think the expectation of it
happening in your dream is raised.
 
Then again, having little or no sensation in your legs would affect
your senses in the dream.  (Like in my previous post, where the
physical sensations your sleeping body has are incorporated into your
dream...)
 
While I'm on the topic of incorporation, I just remembered one dream I
had that might be an interesting example to the person who was
requesting cases on the matter.

I had this dream where I was walking through an incredibly hilly area.
I was running around and jumping through the air from hill to hill.  I
noticed my jumps were pretty high and coasting (like flight).  When I
woke up, my feet were sticking out off the end of the bed, through the
pattern in the bedboard.  Kinda neat, I thought.
 
                                        Nik

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: lrabe@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lee A Rabe)
Subject: Dream Question
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:31:00 GMT

Hi alt.dreams.

I had a dream last night that I have a few questions about.

I was in a foreign country, driving a car.  I was on the right side of
the car (opposite United States "normal" cars -- something I've never
actually encountered).  The people I was with were natives of this country,
which I took to be Japan, as the language they were speaking I "understood"
as Japanese.

We were trying to get somewhere (I don't know where) but we weren't having
much luck.  Finally, we thought we had found a way to get there.  All we had
to do was continue straight ahead and join up with a road we could see ahead
of us.  What we *didn't* see was that between the road we were on and the
road we wanted to be on there was a rather severe dropoff.  We plummetted
off this dropoff and crashed at the bottom.

We managed to get out of the car, and at this point I think I briefly became
lucid.  I "knew" my arm was broken (it was bent with the bone sticking through
the skin) but it neither hurt nor bled.  I then realized it was a dream, and
told myself this.  I wanted to see where the dream went, so I got up and 
walked to some nearby steps and sat down to wait. (The "police" were coming
and I wanted to see what they said.)  

Unfortunately, I woke up shortly after sitting down on the steps.

1) Was I actually lucid? (I'm new to all this, and am not 100% sure what
constitutes lucidity.)

2) Any suggestions on the meaning of this dream?  I've come up with 2 --
a) everything is not as it seems, and b) maybe I should reconsider some
"forward progress" in my life.
Anything that I may be missing? 

Thanks in advance for any comments.


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From: miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.)
Subject: Re: dream vs. OOBE (was Re: Flying in Dream...)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:48:50 GMT

In <1993Jan8.204606.14065@coe.montana.edu> [of alt.dreams]
	drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III) writes:

> Power lines have in the past presented an odd problem for me, as well.  It
> wasn't so much that I had a fear of hitting them, but instead had a sensation
> of being actually drawn toward them or that my control would be interfered 
> with in some manner.
>
> An interesting side note, anytime I encountered said lines, the belonged to
> a real-world landscape.  There's never been such a feature in a fabricated
> dream-scape.  Odd?

I've had powerline problems in a fabricated landscape. 

Jeremy Taylor's book _Dreamwork_ mentions this problem with powerlines.
Lots of people who have flying dreams run into them.

I think the reason is fairly simple -- everybody fantasizes about flying,
but since most places have powerlines, it's hard to not think about
the consequences, especially while looking at them.  If flying in dreams 
is, at least in part, an extrapolation from waking fantasies, it shouldn't
be surprising that some other, less pleasant, parts of these fantasies
might also intrude.

A possible additional reason: Hobson's activation-synthesis theory of
dreaming has parts of our brains trying to interpret unpredictable
low-level percepts.  What more likely way to interpret a randomly-
generated percept like "more-or-less horizontal line" as a powerline,
while flying at low altitudes?
---
Michael Turner
miket@tcs.com
From: dshire@ucrengr.ucr.edu (Darth S. Hire)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Flying in Dream...
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:48:54 GMT
Organization: Waiting List, Brain Transplant Recipient

In article <1993Jan3.042218.1@climat.geology.yale.edu> zhang@climat.geology.yale.edu writes:
>
>	Any people out there who have ever dreamt flying (not in a plane. 
>of course) ?  Share you experience with me. Analyses of this kind of dreams
>will be appreciated.
>
>					Taiping Zhang
>  

well, every time i have a flying dream (at least once every 2 months...), all
i would have to do is BELIEVE that i could fly and then jump up and forward
into the air like Superman (r.i.p.) at which point i would transform into
a black bird (crow or raven) and i would fly around and take in the beautiful
scenery, flying over mountains, fields, forests, lakes, etc. i would eventually
land and then be full of doubt about my ability to fly (i'd be afraid of jumpingand then falling face first into the ground) and so i'd wake up.

i've had dreams like this for years and the scenery is always different.

pleasant dreams everyone.

david


(did this mess up? my modem's been pretty screwy as of late, making lines and
characters randomly disappear from the screen... i miss my HST)

-- 
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a Another fine posting by me!		a "body of a feeb, mind of an h
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From: agwing@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Andrew Wing)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: can't be lucid dreaming
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:59:18 GMT
Organization: Temple University
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	My brother used to have these kind of nightmares when he was just
a preschooler and would remain like this for up to five minutes or so.
The doctor diagnosed him with some sort of genetic sleeping disorder that 
supposedly would remain with him for life.  Nowadays he simply has trouble
keeping regular sleeping hours.

	As for myself, I, too have had similar experiences, but my 'retention'
time lasts at the most but a few seconds.  Usually the phenomena is auditory,
not visual.  The 'music' in my dream will fade out into the real sound of
whatever is in the room, e.g. aquarium filters, fans, air cleaner, etc.
I've found that loud fans are most effective in inducing such things.

		Andy Wing

--
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v2002a%templevm.bitnet@pucc.princeton.edu
agwing@picasso.ocis.temple.edu    (last resort)

Any disclaimer issued by me is subject to change without notice
From: heard@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Literacy in dreams
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:16:48 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

Jonathan A. Kung (joak@ocf.berkeley.edu) wrote:
> Is there any truth to what Batman:The Animated Series stated
> about any reading done in dreams is really just looking at a
> bunch of gibberish?
> 
> I'm not so sure, because I am positive that I have read well-formed
> words and sentences while dreaming...
> 
> -Jon Kung

I had a dream recently where I hed to read a couple of
paragraphs aloud. The text concerned how the French
language in the middle ages lost some of its
declensions. (For example, the masculine article used
to be "li" in some contexts, and "le" in others -- it
became "le" in all contexts.) 

The text was hard to read not because of a lack of
sense, or lack of legibility, but because it was
English text mixed with French quotes, many technical
linguistic terms and names of foreign linguists. It 
would have been hard to read aloud if I was awake.

Take care
Ronno
For dreams, reason, freedom, and self-awareness.
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