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From: nusbache@epas.utoronto.ca (Aryk Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: AFROTC Lackland II Fieldtraining
Organization: University of Toronto - Office of the Provost
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:43:41 GMT

What the **** is Lackland?

AJS Nusbacher
2Lt

JS Graham
2Lt

48th Highlanders of Canada

Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
From: jbjenkin@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Jason B. Jenkins)
Subject: Re: Comments from a new reader
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:56:16 GMT
Organization: Washington & Lee University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Tony, thanks for the info., you have given me a lot to think about.

Does anybody have more to add?  Obviously, this is an important decision
for me.

Thanking you all in advance,

Jason
From: messim2@crockett1b.its.rpi.edu (SoCo)
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
Subject: Re: Where is everyone?
Date: 10 Jan 93 15:24:06 GMT
Reply-To: messim2@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

Speaking of AFROTC cadets, we here at RPI start classes tomorrow and we start 
wearing our uniforms on Tuesday.  By the way, I am a fourth class cadet here at Rensselaer.

Matt
From: njb8272@ultb.isc.rit.edu (N.J. Bartoo)
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
Subject: Re: AFROTC Lackland II Fieldtraining
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:41:05 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: njb8272@ultb


	Lackland is the name of the Air Force Base where just about everyone
is trained at one time or another.  It is home to Basic Military
Training, The Officer Training Squadron, and about 3 Reserve Officer
Training Corps Field Training Encampments every year.  (closer to hell
than I ever want to be again.)


	To the cadet who was requesting Lackland II 1992 cadets, I could
give you a few names, I just need to ask around my detachment to see who
was there.  I know there were a few....

Nick Bartoo
Det 538 (RIT)
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From: claebaur@shell.portal.com (Tony S Annese)
Subject: Re: Comments from a new reader
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 06:28:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.083317.6088@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> jbjenkin@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Jason B. Jenkins) writes:
>I enlisted in the US Navy and am scheduled to ship for boot camp in
>Orlando on 7 July.  I'm signed up for the Nuclear Power program and
>volunteered for subs.  Since I'll be a nuke with a degree (B. A) I go in
>as E-3, but would like to get a commission at some point.  Does anyone
>(please not a recuiter, I mean some one real) know how likly this will be?
>I've been told that it is possible, but would like to hear it from someone
>else.  Also what about the timeframe?

Well I am in the Navy right now and I am looking on switching from aviation
to nukes. Minimum requirement for nukes is 6 years. That means once you go 
through the nuke training you are commited for the whole thing. Going 
officer after being enlisted is not hard to do especially since you will 
already have the degree. There are several paths to take from enlisted to
officer. If I may offer a suggestion....Dont enlist. If all you lack is those
4 courses than take them. You can complete them all by September. They dont 
need to be taken at a big school. As long as the college is acredited the 
credits can be transfered. You wait the few extra months, take the courses,
and by the end of the year you too can be in Officer Candidate School. You
will be getting a much better deal out of it. Dont waste your education on
enlisting. You paid too much for it.
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From: srmcinto@eos.ncsu.edu (SEAN R MCINTOSH)
Subject: training
Originator: srmcinto@c00009-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: srmcinto@eos.ncsu.edu (SEAN R MCINTOSH)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:49:24 GMT


Hi!  I am thinking of joining the Army and I have a few questions.
i would like to know what to expect in Basic Training or the training that
cadets go through at the academys.  I would like some suggestions on how to get
into shape before reporting to Basic.

A friend recommended that I begin doing push-ups, sit-ups, and plenty 
of ruck marches for the Infantry.  While I do not doubt that this information 
is true I do not know how many or how far.  How fast should the ruck march be,
with how much weight, and how far?  I would appreciate any workout suggestions.

Should the workout be done while wearing heavy combat boots?

I would also like hearing any of the horror stories about Basic or Hell Week at 
the academys.

Thanks in advance,

Sean



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From: nivin@sanjacinto.cs.tcu.edu (Jeff Nivin)
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
Subject: Hello world
Date: 8 Jan 93 04:35:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Texas Christian University

Hello All,

   My name is Jeffrey Nivin.  I am the Group Adjutant for the Cadet Group at
Det 845 at TCU in Fort Worth, TX.  I am willing to be the correspondant
for Det 845.  I would also like to start correspondence between 845 and
other detachments as well as active duty stations.  If you have any questions
for us, feel free to direct them to me.  I'm sure we'll have plenty during
the year for everyone.

On a personal note, I'm interested in corresponding with any cadets who may
have had to endure the rigors of field training twice due to injuries or 
"spirit missions."  I am in such a situation and will be returning to 
field training this summer due to an injury at camp.

That's about it for now, but I look forward to talking to many of you out 
there.

                                               nivin@sabine.cs.tcu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
From: jbjenkin@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Jason B. Jenkins)
Subject: Comments from a new reader
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 08:33:17 GMT
Organization: Washington & Lee University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Hello everyone!  I just stumbled onto this group so I thought I would make
a post.

I am a senior Csci/Geology double major here (W&L) and hopefully will
graduate in June.  Lacking any purpose in may life past that date, and
having no desire to be a Computer Scientist, Geologist, or go to law school,
I enlisted in the US Navy and am scheduled to ship for boot camp in
Orlando on 7 July.  I'm signed up for the Nuclear Power program and
volunteered for subs.  Since I'll be a nuke with a degree (B. A) I go in
as E-3, but would like to get a commission at some point.  Does anyone
(please not a recuiter, I mean some one real) know how likly this will be?
I've been told that it is possible, but would like to hear it from someone
else.  Also what about the timeframe?

I checked into the Nuke Officer program, but was told that they requre 2
semesters of calc. and 2 of physics. As a CS/GEO B.A. I didn't need them
to graduate and it was too late to pick them up, thus the enlistment.

Any comments would be appreciated.


Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
From: barrey@Novell.com (Barrey Jewall)
Subject: Re: AFROTC Lackland II Fieldtraining
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:48:19 GMT

In <1993Jan7.044341.12221@epas.toronto.edu> nusbache@epas.utoronto.ca 
(Aryk Nusbacher) writes:

>What the **** is Lackland?

Lackland is an Air Force Base, located in Texas, USA.

One of my buddies went there for Dog Training (we were MP's)

Bah
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From: njb8272@ultb.isc.rit.edu (N.J. Bartoo)
Subject: Re: Where is everyone?
Originator: njb8272@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:25:53 GMT

		Hi!  My name's Nick Bartoo.  I'm a senior AFROTC cadet at RIT in
upstate NY.  We are on the quarter system, so my winter break is already
over.  But the best part of that is I only have 7 more weeks until
commissioning (with a little luck on finals that is :-) ).

		I think this newsgroup is a cool idea.  It would be fun to share
some war (ie training camp) stories.  I went to Lackland III 1990 and
almost got my butt booted out!  But it's a long story.

		Anyway I like to get email, so please anyone feel free to
write...

			---"njb8272@ritvax.isc.rit.edu"
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
From: nusbache@epas.utoronto.ca (Aryk Nusbacher)
Subject: APC
Organization: University of Toronto - Office of the Provost
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:21:45 GMT

Story heard at Levee:

It's an infantry exercise.  The second day.  Everybody's a little
tired and very filthy.  A Bison APC is parked on the edge of a field.
Another Bison drives up.

The top hatches on both APC's open, and both section commanders stick
their heads out.  The second section commander turns to the first, and says:

Pardon me, but do you have any Grey Poupon?


Aryk
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
Subject: Where is everyone?
From: cvalj001@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Date: 4 Jan 93 08:50:16 PST
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: cvalj001


    I notice the group is still rather barren.  Is everyone still on vacation? 
Has anyone out there in AFROTC started yet?




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                 Senior, (Spatial Information Systems)
                          Cal Poly, Pomona
                            **Commander**
                602D Air Force ROTC Cadet Squadron (ATC)
                Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711

"I've filled out DEHR Form 1-1, Opinion Request, and therefore have only my
own opinion.  For those who have a problem with that, fill out (in
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Subject: Get a friend to use this group
From: cvalj001@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:47:34 PST
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: cvalj005


   In order to get everyone in on the action, all of us should "recruit" other
cadets/midshipman, etc. that we know to use this group.  At my det e-mail
accounts are included in the cadet phone list and I'll strongly incourage those
who internet access to  use this group.

Cheers!   


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                   Daemon E. Hobbs, C/LtCol, AFROTC
                 Senior, (Spatial Information Systems)
                          Cal Poly, Pomona
                            **Commander**
                602D Air Force ROTC Cadet Squadron (ATC)
                Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711

         "My ramblings represent no one's opinion but my own."
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Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tuesday, 12 Jan 1993 12:59:37 MST
From: <AXDWM@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
Subject: Re: training

Sean,
   I am a cadet in my third year and also a prior SGT from six years active
duty.  In response to your questions, I don't believe Basic Training is as
much of a horror as some wold like you to believe.  The biggest thing is just
to keep the right mindset and realize that the drill sargeants comments,
although often derogatory, are not to pick on you, but to help provide
direction.
    The difference between Basic and any form of Officer training is that Basic
teaches one to follow orders while officer training schools focus more on
formulating responses in the absence of orders IMHO.
    As far as APFT is concerned it is based on your age.  Your friend is
right that you should focus on Push-ups Sit-ups and a 2-mile run.  That is
the basis for Army physical fitness.  Assuming you were between the ages of
17 and 21 you would need 42 push-ups 52 situps and around 16:00 minutes (I
can't remember the specifics right now) to pass.  Those are the minimums in
each category and in todays Army and reduction in forces would lead to a short
career.  The maximums in each category are 82 push-ups and 92 sit-ups (this by
the way is done in a 2 minute time period for each event), and 11:54 on the
2 mile run.  This training is done in regular Physical Fitness clothes and
running shoes.  As far as road marches are concerned you should start with
a distance and weight you should be able to handle and start slowly.  This
should start in running shoes and be worked into well broken in combat
boots.
   I hope this letter will help you and any who may find its comments helpful.
If you have any other questions that I might be able to help you with please
contact me at my E-mail address posted in my sig block.
From: be486@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hansel E. Lee Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
Subject: AFROTC Lackland II Fieldtraining
Date: 7 Jan 1993 02:21:12 GMT
Organization: UCLA AFROTC Det 055
Reply-To: be486@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hansel E. Lee Jr.)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



I was wondering if their was anyone on the net who Attended AFROTC 

Field Training at Lackland II 1992..    If so, you'll recognize me 
as CTO Lee..  (CTO D&C).

I'm interested in seeing how the cadets from Lackland II turned out.. 
If any of you are from Lackland II let me know how you are doing...  
Also, anyone at a Det in the LA area interested in a position for
Tigerspirit 92 send me some mail so I can get to know you..  It will
be held April 3,4 at Norton AFB.  I'll be the Commandant of 
Cadets (COC).    I've seen postings by people from Dets in the LA 
area..  Are their people on the net from USC, CSULB and LMU?
   I'm from UCLA.  It would make it a little easier to dissiminate
information if each Det had someone w/ an E-Mail account..


Hansel Lee, Cadet Colonel, AFROTC
Commander, UCLA AFROTC
(310) 794-5375

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University of California, Los Angeles  Bitnet:   izzyej2@uclamvs.bitnet
Economics & Political Science          Freenet:  be486@cleveland.freenet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
Subject: Lackland I/91 FT
From: cvalj001@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:23:57 PST
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: cvalj001




   Anyone out there reading this who went to Lackland I-1992?  I was in Bravo
Flt.  If so, let's talk.-- 
                                                           
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                   Daemon E. Hobbs, C/LtCol, AFROTC
                 Senior, (Spatial Information Systems)
                          Cal Poly, Pomona
                            **Commander**
                602D Air Force ROTC Cadet Squadron (ATC)
                Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711

         "My ramblings represent no one's opinion but my own."
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Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
From: rick@iastate.edu (Richard J Langel)
Subject: A little philosophy...  (WAS: Re: Saluting)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:44:59 GMT


Here's a little philosophy for you cadets and candidates out there about
saluting.  Just remember that when a soldier salutes you, they are not
showing their respect for you, only your rank.  Respect is not automatic,
it must be earned.



*************************************************************************

1LT Rick Langel, IN, C Co, 1/133d IN BN, IANG

!!!!!
NOTE:  Please forward all comments to langelrj@phibred.com
!!!!!



-- 
Richard J Langel



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From: claebaur@shell.portal.com (Tony S Annese)
Subject: Re: Waivers?
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:29:27 GMT

In article <16B4C42AE.UC580591@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu> UC580591@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu (Evan T. Carpenter) writes:
>Just a question to help my confidence.  Last year (last month) I went
>to the MEPS station in St. Louis Missouri, and left with a recommendation
>for a waiver.  Because I had metal in my arm and because I lost some
>range of motion in it, the only way I can enlist is after I receive a
>waiver (from the Attorney General?).  I know it will take a few weeks,

What branch? The Marines are harder on waivers than the Navy is. I would
assume the Army is kind of hard with them also because of infantry and all. 
Depends on how restricted your motion is, which branch, how well you scored
in certain areas vice how the recruiter is doing on his quotas.
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From: 9225978@ul.ie
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: SCV address
Date: 5 Jan 93 09:23:40 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

Does anyone have the address for SCV ?

I know it was in this folder before but I forgot to take it down.

Ta!

-JUICY.

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    [  Greg Harte                    e-mail me at 9225978@ul.ie       ]
    [  { I age out in 1997 }         -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-      ]
    [                                [ " this boy is Juicy. "  ]      ]
    [  Baritone                      -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-      ]
    [  Blue Demons                                                    ]
    [  IMBA champion 1991/1993???  [Irish Marching Bands Association] ]
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From: st1ic@elroy.uh.edu (Riley, Paul D.)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Spirit Address
Date: 8 Jan 1993 13:07 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: elroy.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

I'm looking to contact SOA for possible membership in the summer of '94.
Any info would be greatly appreciated.  Please email it to me.
				Thanks,
				P. David Riley
				U of Houston Drum Line
				st1ic@jetson.uh.edu
From: difalcod@gtewd.mtv.gsc.gte.com
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: SCV address
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:29:18 GMT
Organization: GTE Govt. Systems, Electronics Def. Div.

In article <20217.2b49539d@ul.ie>, 9225978@ul.ie writes:
> Does anyone have the address for SCV ?
> 
> I know it was in this folder before but I forgot to take it down.
> 
> Ta!
> 
> -JUICY.
> 
>      -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>     [  Greg Harte                    e-mail me at 9225978@ul.ie       ]
>     [  { I age out in 1997 }         -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-      ]
>     [                                [ " this boy is Juicy. "  ]      ]
>     [  Baritone                      -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-      ]
>     [  Blue Demons                                                    ]
>     [  IMBA champion 1991/1993???  [Irish Marching Bands Association] ]
>      -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-


1795 Space Park Dr.
Santa Clara, CA
(408) 727-5591 - for info
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: jazz@jazz.b11.ingr.com (Jeff Roberts)
Subject: CD's?
Reply-To: jazz@jazz.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:14:53 GMT

I keep calling DCI and asking if they will mail me a catalogue - I'm hoping for
a couple of CD's.  They keep saying that they are about to mail them out, but it's
been months since I called the first time.  Would I have better luck contacting
a particular corps?  Any suggestions?

==============================================================================
J. Jeff Roberts              jazz@jazz.b11.ingr.com             (205) 730-6155
	For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the 
	power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth...    Rom 1:16
==============================================================================
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: ajsnipes@eos.ncsu.edu (ADAM JOSEPH SNIPES)
Subject: Carolina Crown
Originator: ajsnipes@c00144-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: ajsnipes@eos.ncsu.edu (ADAM JOSEPH SNIPES)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:05:11 GMT


Keywords: 


Crown has grown once again this year, with attendance of 130 at then 
first winter camp. The music of Beethoven will live again!
From: nih00@ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: SCV address
Date: 8 Jan 93 05:49:44 GMT
Reply-To: nih00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <20217.2b49539d@ul.ie> 9225978@ul.ie writes:
>Does anyone have the address for SCV ?
>
>I know it was in this folder before but I forgot to take it down.
>
>Ta!
>
>-JUICY.

SCV
1795 Space Park Drive
Santa Clara, CA  95054
(408) 727-5532
From: greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: SCV address
Date: 6 Jan 1993 18:36:09 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: antizen.ebay.sun.com


I know they're on Space Park dr. (appropriate) but don't remember the address....

Greg
From: greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM (...the printer guy <alas..sigh>)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: SCV address
Date: 12 Jan 1993 00:24:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: antizen.ebay.sun.com

In article 69@gtewd.mtv.gsc.gte.com, difalcod@gtewd.mtv.gsc.gte.com () writes:
> In article <1if8qpINN6b@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>, greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
> > 
> > I know they're on Space Park dr. (appropriate) but don't remember the address....
> > 
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
> 
> Have you tried looking in rec.arts.marching.drumcorps?


I wasn't asking, I was replying....

Greg
From: difalcod@gtewd.mtv.gsc.gte.com
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: SCV address
Date: 8 Jan 93 09:34:38 -0800
Distribution: world
Organization: GTE Govt. Systems, Electronics Def. Div.

In article <1if8qpINN6b@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>, greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
> 
> I know they're on Space Park dr. (appropriate) but don't remember the address....
> 
> Greg
> 
> 

Have you tried looking in rec.arts.marching.drumcorps?
From: GRS00005@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (*GRS9999101)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: this great firmament fallen
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:34:34 GMT
Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY
NNTP-Posting-Host: stat.appstate.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24


alas, my favorite group has met it's decline due to the creation of the
RAMD  too late for sentimentality, just a few bugle calls...
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