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Subject: Re: more about Emu Vintage Keys
From: raver909@telerama.pgh.pa.us (Rave Crusader)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 07:16:24 GMT
Organization: Telerama
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Juan Montoya (an5169@anon.penet.fi) wrote:

:     Why! Of course it ain't gonna be like the real thing! If it were to be,
: if you could really have all analog synth sounds and play them with 32 voice
: polyphony, then a lot of old gear retail owners wouls starve...:) Seriously
: though, if the guts of the vintage keys are the same G & H chips found in the
: Emax II and E IIIxp, then this unit is gonna be a real killer. There is no
: digital filtering like that at all anywhere else. Not in the k2000 either.
: I myself have my Emax II full of various raw samples from a wide variety of
: old analogs, and when reso-filtered, while dont necesarily come that close
: to the original, they have that warm and exciting analog feel. The same
: .25 sec moog sample I am using for bass, pads, leads, without getting bored of
: it yet.
Then why buy Vintage Keys at all. If I want analog samples I will hunt
down some Sample CD's with them on it an d sample the stuff myself. If I
want REAL ANALOG I am not going to wast my time on a sample playback
module that cost 3 times what a used Chroma Polaris is  going for at the
local pawn shop. 
:       Besides, there are some other vintage sounds that are much more suitable
: for sampling. A clear example is the mellotron: Nothing is more fun to me than
: replacing your average perfect modern choir or sax sample with their mellotron
: nasty counterparts, and have all my friends going "hey, this sampler of yours
: just sounds old, go buy a korg o1/w !!!!"  :)))
Yeah, people that usually have more money than brains would say "Go buy
that new ZVX 3000 your stuff is obsolete."     

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From: rieth@namu01.gwdg.de (Martin Rieth 28721486)
Subject: EPS Sample-Editor
Organization: NAM(Numer.& Angew.Math.)/ Universitaet Goettingen/ Germany
Distribution: rec.music.makers.synth
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:02:18 GMT

I have an EPS-Sampler and want to programm it on an IBM-PC.
But because I am very lazy I am looking for something similiar.
Does anyone know about a PD-editor for the EPS or some sourcecode
for a MIDI-Editor?
Even if there is someone interested in that subject of EPS programming
I would be pleased to get to know!
  I say 42, BrainMan
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: tmottone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Teemu Mottonen)
Subject: Fax number for Big Noise Software (makers of Cadenza) ?
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:51:35 GMT

Hi all.

I need a fax number for Big Noise Software Inc., the makers of the
Cadenza for Windows sequencer. The fax number for Digital Music (UK),
their European distributor is welcome too :-)

Thanks in advance,
Teemu.
-- 
Teemu Mottonen
Dept. of Computer Science    tmottone@kruuna.helsinki.fi
Univ. of Helsinki, Finland   tmottone@klaava.helsinki.fi      

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Re: Sampling/Copyright, etc.................
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus,world
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 03:49:14 GMT

quantum@mfci.UUCP (Quantum Audio Concepts) writes:

>In article <pet.727704482@munagin> pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan) writes:
>>
>>2) The person sampling will not ask for permission to use the sample. Instead,
>>he/she will use it regardless. It is the copyright owner's responsibilty to
>>track down the person using the sample. 

>Why should the copyright owner have to track this information down? Such an
>effort would take time and money. I assume the copyright owner is in the
>business of making music, not running a detective agency.

I would assume the record company would take on this responsibility under
such an arrangement. After all, they are the ones who currently do the
investigative and legal work for suits concerning copyright.
Paul

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From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 23:08:11 GMT
Subject: Re: help ID this synth chip.....
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth

In rec.music.makers.synth, rmartin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard Martin) writes:

> 
> I have a 16 pin IC chip a friend gave to me years ago (and I mean years
> ago). I would appreciate help in identifying the thing, plus any help in
> how I may use this chip. (I know this is a long shot).
>  
> All the chip says on it is
>  
> what I assume to be a serial number SN94281N.
> It also has the number 8001 on it, and it also has Malaysia writen on it.
>  
> thats it.  Go to it, you analog gurus.......
> thanks in advance

Nobody puts serial numbers on jellybeans...though when a new uP first comes
out around here we often give the working ones *names* (e.g. Bill, Dave..;-)

Sounds like a TI part. Reaching into my junk box, the first 16 pin part I
pulled out is an SN74LS368N with a lot number of 8109 (I bet its year/mo) 
and "Malasia", as well as the little TI logo.

An SN74<x>281N is a dual 4-bit accumulator, a 24-pin digital part.

I have no good idea what the 94 series was, but if that part was made in 1980,
I'd bet money it doesn't do anything worth breadboarding into a useful 
circuit. It's probably some obscure long-dead logic family that never quite
got popular. 

And it probably cost $0.12 new.

Throw it away...

Bob (TTL??? Yup, I seem to recollect that stuff..)Miller rhm@hpfirhm.fc.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: dan@korgrd.com (Dan Phillips)
Subject: Re: The Newest Emu synth...
Organization: Korg Research and Development, Milpitas, CA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:22:17 GMT

>> For example the VCOs of a JP-8 have never the same beating in a patch 

>In fact, JP-8 has DCOs, not VCOs. That's why it sounds more stable.

>> Michael Zacherl, Management Data Wang Ltd., Vienna |

>Pekka Martikainen

Not that this has much to do with the original thread...

According to an old Roland brochure, the JP-8 has VCOs.
Perhaps the writer was thinking of the newer JX-8P, which 
used digitally controlled analog oscillators...

- Dan Phillips
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Opinions here are not necessarily those held by my employers.
Or mine, either. Maybe.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: keeler@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Jason Keeler)
Subject: Re: Sysex Problems ---please help
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:51:06 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, SK, Canada

In article <hjv.727884864@groucho.phil.ruu.nl> hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra) writes:
>nordstro@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Christian Nordstroem) writes:
>
>>hello
>
>>i have (maybe a quite common) problem. I use Cakewalk Professional
>>with Windows 3.1, and sounblaster Pro2.0
>>I am able to send banks with programms or combinations to my korg
>>M1, but i can't receive from it. 
>
>If you send an "All Program Dump Request" to the M1 (F0 42 3x 19 1C 00 F7 --
>all in Hex and 'x' being the Global Channel), the M1 should send all
>100 programs to your PC.  Use a midi-monitor to see if any data actually
>arrives.  If not, there probably is a problem with your system-config (but
>don't ask me, since I know nothing about PCs and plan to keep it that way :).
>
>
>--
>Hendrik Jan Veenstra    hjv@phil.ruu.nl  *  How can I save my dreams
>Dept. of Philosophy                      *  in the nightmare, in the flood
>University of Utrecht                    *  But I try.
>The Netherlands                          *

If it makes you feel any better, I can't properly receive sysex from WinCake
to my M1 either!  I've been fighting with several different combinations for
some time now and have just come to the conclusion that it must be a problem
with WinCake as my M1 receives fine from everything else I have.

If the information was received from ANOTHER program (such as MidiQuest), I
can usually send fine to the M1 from within WinCake.  The problem arrises when
trying to dump into TO WinCake then later sending it back.  Many times it
completely locks up my M1 forcing me to sometimes even re-initialize!

Please let me know if you hear of anything else.              

...Jason
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: seh003@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re: The Newest Emu synth... McAnalog!!!???!!!
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:47:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.170401.7229@telerama.pgh.pa.us>, raver909@telerama.pgh.pa.us (Rave Crusader) writes:
> grahame@skyfox wrote:
> : For all who don't already know, Emu has just introduced their newest
> : McProteus, a clever little collection of sounds known as "vintage keys".
> : It contains the usual 32 oscillators and the Emu digital filter chip
> : (same as in the Emax II). It also contains 8MB of vintage waveforms.
> :         Emu advertises this little beast as the answer to your analog
> : prayers without the analog headaches ('though the ad mentions that DX7
> : and Fairlight samples are included... mondo digital). Am I going nuts
> : or is this a daft idea??? The "warmth" of analog synths is created by
> : the whacky and wonderful analog oscillators and filters which go into
> : such beasts. Merely sampling the output would introduce pitch-shifting
> : anomalies and there's no way that the filter can compete sonically with the
> : variety of different synths the box is supposed to emulate.
> :         I fear that "vintage keys" will sell well & give today's young 'uns
> : a horribly diluted taste of what analog is all about -- after all, there's
> : no way that a 1U rack module can compete with the programmability of
> : a P5 or and Oberheim 4 voice, or a Jupiter 8, or a Mini, or a Chroma,
> : or an OB-8, or . . .
> 
> : J Grahame
> : ---------
> : Somewhere in the analog ozone...
> It's daft idea for sure. The only thing that comes close to real analog in
> a single rack space is the Waldorf Microwave. Sample playback is still
> lame sample playback no matter how you slice it. I think that synth
> manufacturers should just start making analog synths with MIDI again, this
> time up date them with better displays and multi-tabral capability.
> 
> -- 
> Let the bass kick...

Any manufacturers out there listening?  This guy has a great idea that I've
often wished for myself.  Up-to-date analogs with proper MIDI and MULTI-TIMBRAL
capability.  A multi-timbral analog synth would be a godsend.  Anyone else
agree?

Stephen

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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: mandel@dms.agames.com (Glenn Mandelkern)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: help ID this synth chip.....
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:16:47 GMT
Organization: Atari Games Corp.

In article <114220005@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller) writes:
>In rec.music.makers.synth, rmartin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard Martin) writes:
>
>> 
>> I have a 16 pin IC chip a friend gave to me years ago (and I mean years
>> ago). I would appreciate help in identifying the thing, plus any help in
>> how I may use this chip. (I know this is a long shot).
>>  
>> All the chip says on it is
>>  
>> what I assume to be a serial number SN94281N.
>> It also has the number 8001 on it, and it also has Malaysia writen on it.
>>  
>> thats it.  Go to it, you analog gurus.......
>> thanks in advance
>

This chip was once carried by Radio Shack, probably between 1980 and 1982.
Its part number was indeed SN94281N.  I remember using the chip in a junior
high science project as a sound synthesizer to drive a trivia machine--
right answers would generate sirens, wrong ones would make explosion sounds.
This was done by varying values of resistors and capacitors.  It was powered
using 3V.

It was similar to another TI part, the 28-pin SN76477.

You may get lucky and find the SN94281N with data sheet occupying some 
junk box at a Radio Shack (small town Radio Shacks tend to have discontinued 
parts still floating around), or maybe at a HamFest.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: The Newest Emu synth... McAnalog!!!???!!!
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:54:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.114721.1@acad.drake.edu> seh003@acad.drake.edu  
writes:

> Any manufacturers out there listening?  This guy has a great
> idea that I've often wished for myself.  Up-to-date analogs
> with proper MIDI and MULTI-TIMBRAL capability.  A
> multi-timbral analog synth would be a godsend.  Anyone else
> agree? 

Sure, that's why I still have my 9 year old Fender Chroma
Polaris ;-) It's 8 channel multi-timberal over MIDI, but
only has six voices. But man, what beefcake voices... 

--
Nathan Janette
PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu

Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: rost@tecrus.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Subject: Re: The Newest Emu synth... McAnalog!!!???!!!
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 22 JAN 93 14:03:44    


In article <1993Jan21.114721.1@acad.drake.edu>, seh003@acad.drake.edu writes...
>Any manufacturers out there listening?  This guy has a great idea that I've
>often wished for myself.  Up-to-date analogs with proper MIDI and MULTI-TIMBRAL
>capability.  A multi-timbral analog synth would be a godsend.  Anyone else
>agree?

Sure, it's here today, the Matrix 12...

How much are you willing to pay for 32 analog voices?  $5000?  $10,000?
Obies cost a lot because they are expensive to make and sell in small
quantities because they are expensive.

E-Mu knows all about analog synthesis, they used to make modulars!  To try to
replicate as much analog hardware as they stuffed into the Vintage Keys would
be impossible.  Wise up, noone is going to ressurect analog synths unless
someone can come through with a breakthrough in getting the cost down.  If the
market was really there for analog, *someone* would be in there fighting it
out.  

Do you think manufacturers went digtial because they thought people loved
analog synths?  The companies that stayed with analog (Oberheim, Chroma, Moog,
Sequential) went under and companies like Korg and Roland put up with Casio and
Ensoniq making them look like jerks until they came out with the M1 and D50 to
replace their analog flagships.

The last (only?) attempt at a cheap analog multi-timbral system was the
Sequential Trak series, which used a custom IC that contained the guts of one
analog voice on it.  But it was cheap, the bottom-of-the line MAX listed at
$600 in 1985.  But I doubt a six voice synth that could act like six monosynths
is what you had in mind.  And the MAX was no Oberheim, single oscialltor per
voice, limited modulation capabilities, etc.  

BTW, Peavey also has a "sampled analog" module on the way.  This one is
intended to compete against the Obie Matrix 1000, with a list of about $400.

					Brian Rost @tecrus.enet.dec.com

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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.synth
From: daver@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Dave Riehl)
Subject: Re: Korg vs. Yamaha flamefest (Re: Need synth recommendations)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:04:17 GMT
Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)
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>Paul Hammond (phammond@cs.tcd.ie) wrote:
>: >> Well I'd rather make music that a reasonable amount of people could
>: >like > rather than some real weird arty far-out stuff that only myself
>: >would think > is good.
>: >>   Paul
>Peter writes:
>: >    Isn't that a form of prostitution ? To make music you dislike for
>Paul responds:
>: Yes it is and it isn't depending on what way you look at it. If you look
>: at music as something so pure and precious as to be tainted by any
>: motive other than the Platonic love of the Arts then you would see it
>: How can you say what should be and what shouldn't in such an absolute
>: sounding way ? It depends on the pleasure you get from making music,
>................ stuff deleted

You can put me solidly on Paul's side in this argument.  I have always
felt (when listening to an interminable solo of mediocre quality) that a
lot of what one hears (I'm talking local, live and semi-pro here) is
musical masturbation.  I thus bring the sexual connotation/analogy full
circle.

I am in the process of obtaining some of the goodies discussed in this
group (I am a new to the group).  Even thought these things are 
accumulating in my house, I very much prefer performance to creation
alone. Once you step over the performance line, you have a responsibility
to your audience that I feel is very important.

Dave Riehl
From: spx2rbr@thor.cf.ac.uk (Rhun Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: JV-80 wanted
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:25:48 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway


     Does anyone have a Roland JV-80 or JV-880 they want to sell?
 
    I have a Fostex multitracker and a Technics AX7 i could part
exchange if you want!

  Thanks

Rhun
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: dpelton@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dennis Pelton)
Subject: Re: Defending the Slugs
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 03:27:44 GMT

ljnelson@unix.amherst.edu (LAiRD j. NeLSoN) writes:
>
>Of *course* the marketplace will determine whether this succeeds or not.  
>Half of the pop out there today is abominably wretched, bland, insipid, 
>boring and full of some of the worst musical cliches ever to come down the 
>pike.  But hey the public wants it.  That's another gripe I have.  I think 
>that it's a circular thing: as long as we keep buying shitty music, 
>artists will keep churning it out.
>
>ljnelson@unix.amherst.edu 

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here?  That musicians should
not produce the kind of music that people want to buy?  That people
shouldn't buy the kind of music they like, they should buy "good" 
stuff?

Dennis Pelton            Nice customs curtsey to great kings. You
dpelton@nyx.cs.du.edu    and I cannot be confined within the weak
                         list of a country's fashion: we are the 
			 makers of manners...

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: The best MIDI programming book in C?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:30:44 GMT

I just found out that "MIDI programming in C" by Jim Conger is out of
print.  Considering it was published in 1988, it is possible that there is
more modern book out there with a similar title out there.

Does anyone know of any?  As it must be clear by now, I am trying to
address the MIDI board in PC directly in my C (C++, Borland) program for
some real-time creative effects.  It will be better if it comes with a
disk.

Thank you in advance.

James Choi
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.synth
From: phammond@cs.tcd.ie (Paul Hammond)
Subject: Re: Korg vs. Yamaha flamefest (Re: Need synth recommendations)
Summary: What's wrong with prostitution ?
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin (Computer Science)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:14:55 GMT

In article <PEHE.93Jan22130420@heliumx.electrum.kth.se> pehe@electrum.kth.se (Peder Hedlund) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.124450.24005@cs.tcd.ie> phammond@cs.tcd.ie (Paul
>Hammond) writes:
>
>
>> Well I'd rather make music that a reasonable amount of people could
>like > rather than some real weird arty far-out stuff that only myself
>would think > is good.
>
>>   Paul

>
>    Isn't that a form of prostitution ? To make music you dislike for

Yes it is and it isn't depending on what way you look at it. If you look
at music as something so pure and precious as to be tainted by any
motive other than the Platonic love of the Arts then you would see it
that way. I don't believe that it has to be so. If you wish to treat
music as such then by all means you're free to do so, but to make music
for other people in mind whether for an alternate artisitic satisfaction
or for money is also fine. I do not see the problem. If you want to use an area
of life for business purposes why not, as long as you're not hurting people to
get what you want. There's nothing that sacred as to be untouched IMO,
it only gives the illusion of such. Strip it down to the bare bones and
it's ordinariness surfaces.

>    the sake
>of other people ? When yhou make music it should be because you like
>it
> yourself. If then other people like it as well then great, but that

Not necessarily, maybe you could make stuff that you don't like but
others do. You could look at it as aesthetically selfish to only please
yourself. If you're the only person that can appreciate your music then
there's something lacking in it, namely music.

> shouldn't
>be the purpouse.

How can you say what should be and what shouldn't in such an absolute
sounding way ? It depends on the pleasure you get from making music,
either it is derived from the act of making something that you like, or
the act of making music that gives others pleasure, or simply the act of
making money for yourself. There's nothing wrong with that, to use an
area of life for commercialism, that's why there's economies and we live
in a capitalistic society. However I don't want to wade into politics
here or ethics.

Paul
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From: denio@seismo.CSS.GOV (Dennis O'Neill)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.synth,rec.music.industrial,comp.music
Subject: PC-compatible composition/playback tools?
Date: 28 Jan 93 14:56:16 GMT
Followup-To: denio@s3reston.scubed.com
Organization: Institute for Obfuscatorial Dynamics

I have an i486-based machine and would like to use it for composing and
arranging, as well as playback of what I write (for preview).  Does there
exist a set of software/hardware that will allow me to enter music
as notes on a staff and then play that back?  If so, what are they and
what are their strengths and weaknesses?

Please send responses to me directly and I will collect them and post them.

-- 
Dennis O'Neill (denio@seismo.css.gov)
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