HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: HE%NIEHS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      let's get serious
Reply-To: HE%NIEHS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:41:00 EST

As a CSS, I have read a lot of emails from the network recent days.  I strongly
feel that a lot of IFCSS members, expecially the two presidents have done a lot
of work for lobbying the protection bill, I and many other CSS fellows, I
believe, strongly support and appreciate their effort.   However, I also feel
that we are facing some problems.  First of all, the struggle inside the IFCSS.
I do not know and I do not want know how it started, but I believe it is a very
sad thing happened in a democratic organization which supposedly serves as a
model of democracy.  It is not good for the current critical time, it is not
good for any time in the future.  Inside struggle is a very bad habit inherited
from communist party.  We, all CSS fellows must give it up right now, or we will
have no future, our country has no future.  Secondly, we need a better attitude
in communication.  I have read a lot comments in the email from the network, and
I feel most of them are good, but some are not or are outrageous.  Criticism is
good and we should not be afraid, instead we should welcome.  However any
criticism should be aimed at pointing out one's weakness and helping him or her
improve himself or herself, not aimed at destroying him or her, and people
making criticism should be serious about what he or she is doing and should be
responsible for his or her action.

God bless you, God bless all CSS fellows.
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: be honest and you might get some respect
Date: 27 Jul 92 04:25:04 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Jul24.221704.22788@ncsu.edu> shchen@eos.ncsu.edu writes:
>What's wrong with that?  Who wants to be a stinking Chinese all their lives.

Quite a lot of people actually.
From: exl0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Edwin X. Li)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Question the background of Raymond Luh again!
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:18:41 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Jul26.034510.19712@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@u
ga.cc.uga.edu writes:
>I, a PH.D, originally from China have questioned the background of raymond
>Luh, I never got a answer. Therefore I question again the background of
>Mr. raymound Luh. Do not be afraid to answer.   Dawei Zhou, Florida
>

leave the guy alone. this is a forum free for all.
he has a right to answer or not answer any damn
question he pleases. are you a cha-hu-kou-de-jie-dao
-lao-tai-tai or something?
Xref: sparky talk.politics.china:274 soc.culture.taiwan:11173
From: UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      open letter to council of IFCSS
Reply-To: UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:53:00 EDT

I, as a ordinary CSS, ask you to support former IFCSS president Zhao haiqing's
lobby work. To approve Geng Xiao's nomination Zhao as the chairman of CSSA of
IFCSS immediately. Zhao has the right use former IFCSS President. Dawei Zhou, FL
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From: UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      suggestion to HQ by XP Jiang
Reply-To: UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:57:00 EDT

From:   Jnet%"43JIANG@CUA" 27-JUL-1992 09:13:20.69
To:     BITNET%"ufdz@ufpine.bitnet"
CC:
Subj:   suggestion to IFCSS HQ

Received: From CUA(43JIANG) by UFPINE with Jnet id 6180
          for UFDZ@UFPINE; Mon, 27 Jul 1992 09:13 EDT
Date:     Mon, 27 Jul 1992 09:14 EDT
From:     <43JIANG@CUA>
Subject:  suggestion to IFCSS HQ
To:       ufdz@ufpine
Original_To:  BITNET%"ufdz@ufpine.bitnet"

 Hello, friend:
        I sent a request to IFCSS HQ as yours yesterday. If possible,
 you may forward my mail to China-net. Thanks.


  Xiaoping Jiang
  The Catholic University of America
  Washington, DC
*************************************************************************
The following is the mail to IFCSS HQ:


 RE: IFCSS HQ Special Report : Lobby Task Force to be Formed

        The new task force to be formed could be a great help
  to the lobby. But this message also puts the dispute between
  two presidents in front of all CSS. This is no good at the
  crucial moment of the lobby. Do you know why so many
  CSS have not taken any actions for the lobby? Because they
  think the likelihood of success is zero even with a united
  effort. Ok, now even we ourselves are fighting each other, where
  the success is going to come from? The existance of two presidents
  and two accounts has made some CSS feel even more frustrated.
  What is the way out? I suggest that IFCSS officially appoints
  Haiqing Zhao to be in charge of the united task force. This is
  because Zhao has been working on this for such a long time, and
  he has more experience. As a former president, he still has
  strong influence on all CSS, and he is willing to serve CSS more.
  Also if so, two accounts will join togrther.
        To CSS, the most important thing is not who is in charge
  of the lobby, but the success of the lobby. IFCSS should gain
  her reputation through the lobby activities and unite more
  CSS, not make CSS fall inte two parts.
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From: Zixiang Tang <tang@IMAFS.IMA.UMN.EDU>
Subject: (none)
Reply-To: Zixiang Tang <tang@IMAFS.IMA.UMN.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:37:33 CDT
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

----------------------------------------------------------------------
       Crackdown On Underground Organizations in China

Source: Star Tribune, Minneapolis
Date: July 13, 1992
----------------------------------------------------------------------

     Police have arrested 30 or more dissidents in Beijing since last
May, apparently as part of a crackdown on an underground organization
dedicated to political reform in China. It is composed of young intellectuals
who were active in the 1989 Tiananmen Square pro-democracy protests. The
arrests are one of the largest roundups of dissidents since the initial
wave of arrests that followed the 1989 crackdown on the pro-democracy
movement.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: yue@MOHLSUN.PHYSICS.UPENN.EDU (NY.)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Bill
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:43:15 GMT
Reply-To: "NY." <yue@MOHLSUN.PHYSICS.UPENN.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Comments: To: CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu


   I think the name of the bill should be HR3871 instead of S1216.
   S1216 is the bill in the Senate. HR3871 should be the bill in the House.
I think that is where the confusion is.
  I think Dr.Zhao made the mistake of putting S1216 in his report instead of
HR3871.
From: lwyse@copley.bu.edu (Lonce LaMar Wyse)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: US vs. Soviets -> China vs. US
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:28:50 GMT
Distribution: talk.politics.china
Organization: Boston University Center for Adaptive Systems



The Soviets were once a mighty military machine, but their economy
never really flourished, in part because of the amount of resources
they put into their military. One reason the US "won" the cold war was
because the arms race hurt the Soviet economy more than it did the US
economy.

Now that the Soviet threat is gone, the US is making military
cutbacks. Of course, the military/industrial complex, which commands
the largest lobbying effort on capitol hill, isn't too happy about
this. These people have an interest in generating another military
"threat" to US interests, and China is the obvious choice.

The problem is, that if we get sucked into an arms race with the
Chinese, the same story will be played out with China and the US as
the leading characters as just happened between the US and USSR, only
THIS time, the Chinese have the role played previously by the US. 

That is, the booming Chinese economy will be able to sink more and
more into a military build-up, while their economy continues to grow.
The US will be able to play the game for a while, only it will do far
more damage to an already struggling economy. This time, it will be
the US that is forced to cry "uncle!" some time down the line.

Thus, the US must not allow ourselves to get drawn into this kind of
cold war with the Chinese. The US should instead focus on developing
their technological, and commercial strengths, developing close ties
with the Chinese developing market, labour pool and other resources.
This will bring the most benefit to the US as well as the
international economy and also it is the best bet for international
security.


						- lonce

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From: CNEWS@conan.ie.orst.edu
Subject:      Re: Vice President of Oregon State U. Lobbying for Chinese
Reply-To: CNEWS@conan.ie.orst.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 13:35:00 PDT
Comments: To: luh@NAS.NASA.GOV, China-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

> Date:       Sun, 26 Jul 1992 11:09:03 -0700
> Reply-to:   "Raymond C. Luh" <luh@NAS.NASA.GOV>
> From:       "Raymond C. Luh" <luh@NAS.NASA.GOV>
> Subject:    Vice President of Oregon State U. Lobbying for Chinese
>             Immigration
> To:         Multiple recipients of list CHINA-NT <CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu>

> >Zhongkai Xu
> >Vice President
> >Oregon State University
>
> Is Vice President Xu speaking for the President of OSU? :-)
>
>
> Ray
>
  Sorry, it is my typing error.  It should be CSSA at OSU.
  Thank you for your question.
  I apologize for any confusion to china net readers.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: David Yuan <yuan@TERI.BIO.UCI.EDU>
Subject:      Re:  Amendment to IFCSS Council Resolution CR4004
Reply-To: David Yuan <yuan@TERI.BIO.UCI.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:11:57 PDT
Comments: To: CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu, lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU

	As a psychologist, I highly recommend the author of "fuck you...".
one of our new council member to see a mental doctor immediately and
resign the position before you do so.  If the diagnosis is positive for
any mental disorders, I will not reveal the insulting mail this person
sent several days ago to pretect a potential patient's "privacy".
Otherwise, to protect the interest of IFCSS, such ugly behavior may be
publized.

David Yuan
University of California at Irvine
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From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Subject:      Re: To those who think they are right
Reply-To: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:06:08 -0400
Comments: To: CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu

YANG GUANG wrote:
>For those who prepare to continue the debate, I want to
>offer you a small clarification.

Not me, but your subject line is to me, thanks.

>Zhao Haiching did not make a mistake by signing as
<IFCSS President.  The IFCSS 4 da passed a resolution ( I am
<the author, and that's why I feel obligated to do this),
<which states that there should be a month transition time
<before President-elect takes over the office.  During this
<period, current presidency remains effective.

So, my proposed amendment is right. IFCSS have and will have two presidents:
"Thank you Ms. Pelosi" President and a
"Thanks-Card Sending" President. That will be a very effective structure.
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From: Wenming Kuai <kuai@BRAHMS.UDEL.EDU>
Subject:      sign off
Reply-To: Wenming Kuai <kuai@BRAHMS.UDEL.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:08:34 -0400
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

Until the mail volume gets smaller.
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From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Another way to calculate economic strength
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 19:27:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.144616.176596@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> exl0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Edwin X. Li) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.000251.6013@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chu
>nde Shi) writes:
>
>>I got Germany's muscle_reflexing from Times margazine ont Coatia recognition
>>issue! If you are interested, please scan through this years Times to find
>>out the article. I do not know more than what I wrote, not able to make
>>further arguments. But I still believe Times made a good point.
>>I do not have any prejudice against Germany, I only used the instance as
>>a lesson for China's RMB convertability issue.
>>
>
>#1: don't be shy to admit you don't know something. what's ridiculous
>in the eyes of the readers is not your mistake but your insisting of
>making them.
I may have failed to specify it was the interest rate for deposite to bank or
it was the interest rate for bank to give out loans. It was not the main point
though. If Germany had hight interest rate for deposite to Germany banks,
that should have the same effect of draining capital form other EEC nations. 

>
>#2: after so many years of schooling, i am surprised you still don't
>follow the standard procedure for referencing. if you want to back up
>your claim, YOU have to provide the said article(s), not to ask the
>readers to find it for you.
I thout the article over the net is coversation style, not rigid publication.
that was the very reason I like to post on net not spend too much time
to write on other media form(I may not good enough, most likely). Most thing
, if not all, were based on my memory.
>
>btw, i take it you meant TIME magazine, not the NY TIMES sunday magazine.
From: ningluo@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ning Luo)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: be honest and you might get some respect
Date: 25 Jul 92 07:17:26 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <76348@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>As I said before.  If an individual province secedes, then that
>province individually will always be better off.  The problem is that
>if all the provinces secede, then they all will be worse off.

Excuse me, but do I see a logic problem here?
Suppose China has 30 provinces.  As the provinces declare independence
one by one, each of the newly independent province is better off than not being
independent.  Finally, we reach the stage when only two provinces
are left.  When these two break up, suddenly, every previously
independent and better-off provinces would become worse off?
-- 
Luo, Ning
218 CCC Bldg
Roswell Park Cancer Institute  (Department of Biophysics)
Buffalo, NY 14263  |  ningluo@sun.acsu.buffalo.edu      (APARNET)
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From: Jin-hua Yuan <YUAN%NIEHS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Bill
Reply-To: Jin-hua Yuan <YUAN%NIEHS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 14:02:00 EST

Please give us some detailed instruction for support the bill.
The lobby for passing the bill is the most important right now.
If it passes, It would be one of the greatest achievement of
of IFCSS.  All the president of IFCSS, previously or new, is
expected to working together hand in hand to achieve the goal.
Jinhua
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From: "FACSS AT U OF MINN" <FACSS%UMNACVX.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Hold Your Fire on Judiciary Committee on the Passage, Please!!!!!
Reply-To: "FACSS AT U OF MINN" <FACSS%UMNACVX.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 09:25:16 -0500

Please hold your fire on the Judiciary Committee as to the passage of the bill
out of the committee.  The bill passed the committee on July 22 with absolute
100% certainty.  Now the bill is reported back to the House waiting for House
action.  If you are still not convinced, please call the House Judiciary
Committee.  The phone number is 202-225-3951.  The person I just talked to is
Jim Far.  When you call, please DO NOT ask them to pass the bill through the
committee, but just ask where the bill is at.

Thank you for your attention.

Ji, Yingquan
From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Amendment to IFCSS Council Resolution CR4004
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:31:00 GMT
Reply-To: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Organization: Indiana University
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

>        Emergency Resolution on Establishing Task Force
>to Coodinate Nationwide Lobby Effort for Chinese Protection Bill
>
> The 4th Term IFCSS Council Resolution CR4002
>(deleted)
>Whereas the HQ is in a transition and the working committees and
>personnel arrangements have not been formally established,
>
>Be it resolved,

Dr. Zhao Haiqing, whenever necessary, such as say Thank you to Ms. Pelosi,
can use the title of the President of IFCSS.

Be it resolved,

The one who said he did not care IFCSS at all, but can write good english
such as "Fuch you fuck you fuck you, I am mad mad mad I am mad!!!" can
still draft and post IFCSS resolution.

Thanks for consideration.
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From: "FACSS AT U OF MINN" <FACSS%UMNACVX.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Where is the bill and what is a closed rule?
Reply-To: "FACSS AT U OF MINN" <FACSS%UMNACVX.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:50:28 -0500

I saw several confusing messages earlier today (acutally yesturday) as to
where the bill is at this moment.  The bill passed the Judiciary Committee
last Wednesday, July 22.  So we should not lobby the Judiciary Committee
to pass the bill because it already did it.  Otherwise we may look
uninformed (weak) and uncoordinated.  Although the next stop for the bill
is the Rules Committee, it is not quite there yet because it takes a while for
the committee staff to do the paper work.  If I have to guess where the bill
is exactly at, I would say it's probably in a Judiciary Committee clerk's
computer or in the Reviser's Office (if it is called the same at the Capitol Hil
   l
as in many states such as Minnesota - Haiching should know this) before
it is being officially printed.

What is a closed rule?

I think someone has already answered that question in the email
recently.
In the House of Representatives of the United States, when a bill goes
to the floor for a vote, the Rules Committee decides whether
amendment(s) and how many, if any, can be attached to it.
When the committee rules that no amendment is allowed, it is
called a CLOSED RULE.  That is what we need on the immigration bill.

Thank you for bearing with me if you already know the stuff.

Ji, Yingquan
The 3rd CCSA
University of Minnesota
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From: UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      Question the background of Raymond Luh again!
Reply-To: UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Sat, 25 Jul 1992 11:38:00 EDT

I, a PH.D, originally from China have questioned the background of raymond
Luh, I never got a answer. Therefore I question again the background of
Mr. raymound Luh. Do not be afraid to answer.   Dawei Zhou, Florida
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: yeyan@sfu.ca (Yeyan Zhang)
Subject: test
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 15:22:33 BST
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

test
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From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Subject:      Re: ?
Reply-To: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:24:50 -0400
Comments: To: CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu

A friend passed me a curious question:

>Do you know what's the personal hating between Li Xiaowen and ZHQ?

My god, No. I never met ZHQ, and I have no personal hate to him.

The only thing I did, is that I felt something wrong and made a call:

CSS in USA don't need two "Mrs. President", don't need two lobby accounts,
one each is enough. Two Mrs. President need to have a nice talk, and
work together for greencard. That is it.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: cyc@z.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Subject: Re: 99% will support Taiwan Independence
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:47:19 GMT

>What advantages can we benefit from the Independence of Taiwan ?
>What are the risks we will suffer from that action ?
>What are the future developments of Taiwan economy ?
>

If Taiwan is independent and accepted by the world, CCP will never have a
case to take over Taiwan.
Since Taiwan has been separated from CCP for over 40 years, did Taiwanese
ever suffer anything ? Or will Taiwanese be better off by uniting with CCP ?
Taiwan's future economy depends on the development of high tech. not
China's cheap labor. The best future for Taiwanese is to follow Japanese
path go for high tech. 

>Why don't you be proud of the facts that:
>We have enjoyed the best democracy and prosperity in Chinese history.
>We are always a comparative standards for Chinese.
>

If CCP don't appreciate that, you will be dead meat to mention democracy
to CCP.

>You can always look at one thing in different ways, positive or negative.
>Which side you see depends one what kind of person you are.
>Who can fortell the collapse of the former Soviet Union, the first communism 
>authority in the world ?
>

A success of one country will never guarantee the success of another
country, so as the fall communism. Don't bet your future hope on the fall 
of CCP, or the failure of other people, bet on yourself.

Yi-Chieh
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Beijing Indifferent to Bill, but allure more to visit home
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:13:56 GMT

In article <15bs3rINNn8f@agate.berkeley.edu> jtrsmith@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:
>Subject: Beijing Indifferent to Protection Bill
>
>>Disclaimer: The following is a forward.
>
>>Xiong Bofu
>
>=========================================================================
>
>Beijing Indifferent to the Chinese Protection Bill
>
>A source within the PRC Foreign Ministry has confirmed that the PRC
>government is ready to accept the passage of the Chinese Protection
>Bill, although the official line is still against the Bill.
>
>AT THE SAME TIME, Beijing is expecting the US president to acknowledge
>that it has been safe for the Chinese nationals to return to China since
>June 4, 1989.  ALL 8,700 SUCH CASES HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO THE WHITE HOUSE.
>
>TO ALLURE MORE CHINESE TO PAY HOME VISIT IN THE NEXT 12 MONTHES THE
>THREE CHINESE AIRLINES FLYING THE USE ROUTE WILL ISSUE COUPONS REPRESENING
>SAVINGS OF UP TO 35% TO THE TARGETED GROUP OF CHINESE MATIONALS.  THE
>COUPONS WILL BE DISTRIBUTED VIA THE CHINESE CONSULATES.
>
That is a smart thing to do for CCP. Since it realizes it cann't 
do anything about the bill, or only make things worse for it. Better to
be Gao Zhi Tai.

Tingli Pan
From: HWANGK%VTCC1.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      re:?
Reply-To: HWANGK%VTCC1.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:22:00 EDT

Dear Yue:
    I was confused at very beginning too. But if you understand that although
this net is called the coordination network of IFCSS, it is an independent
net, that means any voice can take place on it, you will not be bothered any-
more.
                                  Kai Hwang
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