From: karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger)
Subject: Re: The 'ASALA/SDPA/ARF' 'kucukucus' Would Like 'Tamamidis,' I Think.
Summary: More stuff
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 03:05:40 GMT
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In article <9208160043.A6010NW@anadolu.michigan.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:
>
><1992Aug15.040441.16834@ddsw1.mcs.com>
>karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger)
>
>>However, it would appear from the logs posted that Ahmet Cosar forged a
>>message so as to appear to have came from you.  
>
>And the best evidence you can find is second hand hearsay from an
>unnamed source. Is it really your intent to make such a statement?

Certainly.  Appearances are just that; appearances.  However, they do not
prevent me or anyone else from drawing conclusions based on the apparent
information presented.

>>All I am interested in (for
>>curiosity's sake; I'm certainly not upset if you want others to post in your
>>name or likeness) is whether you agree that he did this with your knowledge
>>and consent.
>
>What evidence is there that he did it? Furthermore, what confirmable
>evidence does 'Zap* the Criminal' of IBM provide? 

C'mon; drop the actionable words here.  If you want to refer to someone 
as "Zap*" I can understand; with the lack of pronouncability or even 
spelling of some of the people on the net, I can understanding using the 
"splat" as a wildcard.  The adjective is un-called for.

>May I ask what Cosar's 
>purpose would be in conducting such a poorly designed experiment? What 
>would the conclusions be, depending on the outcome? In the proper context 
>of event, this is intellectually and morally dishonest. 

That is the reason for my inquiry.  Many have infrerred if not outright
stated that they believe you are not posting all of the material yourself.  
I'm asking whether or not it is true!

>>My interest here is in whether the article cited really did originate at
>>anadolu, 
>
>Absolutely.

Ok.  The rest of the what you replied to is then irrelavent.

>>'or if it was forged to >appear< to have come from anadolu.  
>
>The statement is blatantly wrong. 

It wasn't a statement, it was a question.  (sheesh)

>>I'm interested (for academic reasons) in whether or not the article cited was:
>
>>1)	From you, and vectored through Ahmet's machine for traffic control
>>	or other reasons.
>
>Right on the money.

Ok.  Matter settled.  But I'll comment on the rest since you chose to as
well.

>>2)	From Ahmet, forged to appear as if from you, with your consent.
>
>Sorry, but your argument falls flat on its face. No sign exists nor has
>it ever existed.

No argument made or conceived.  This was one of three possibilities.  The
item was stated as a question.

>>3)	From Ahmet, forged to appear as if from you, WITHOUT your consent.
>
>A fabrication of 'Zap* the Criminal' of IBM.

Again, and one of three possibilities, and asked as a QUESTION.

>>I can draw any of the above conclusions from the evidence.  There isn't
>>enough there to >know< what happened.  That is why I asked.  
>
>You can assert whatever you want; my articles speak for themselves.

I am not asserting anything; I was (for the hundreth time) ASKING! 

>Why not? I use several ways to post my articles.

Understood and well-known.

>>are corrupt (and what reason would they have to be?), or Zap* has changed
>>the logs (possible, but no evidence for this) it does indeed look like Ahmet
>>Cosar either originated or forwarded a mail message intended to be posted as
>>if it originated with you. 
>
>They all originate with me. Your statement above is thus false.

Its not a statement; its a QUESTION!  Sheesh!

>>Whether it did originate with you is the point, and if it did not, was this
>>with or without your knowledge and consent?
>
>And it did originate with me. 

Good enough.

Touchy these days Hasan?

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