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From: khalak@acsu.buffalo.edu (Hanif Khalak)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Re: Koran translation
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:00:40 GMT
Reply-To: khalak@acsu.buffalo.edu (Hanif Khalak)
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In article <98865@bu.edu> gavras@acs.bu.edu (Alexis Gavras) writes:
>
>I'm currently starting to read an English translation of the Koran titled
>"The Koran Interpreted" by A. J. Arberry. If anyone out there is familiar 
>with this version, could you advise me as to the accuracy of this translation
>and the degree to which it does the original justice?
>
>                    Thank you in advance,
>
>                                        Alexis
>
> 
>------------------------------gavras@acs.bu.edu--------------------------------

Alexis,

	Peace...

	Although Arberry is considered the classic Orientalist translation
of the Qur'an, the best NON-MUSLIM translation that I've seen is the one
by N. J. Dawood (revised one) although it is still quite short of what I
would like to see.  The best available MUSLIM translations, in my opinion
are Marmaduke Pickthall's and Muhammad Asad's.  The first is straighforward
and the second has the best notes.

	All the best, by the Will of God.

And Peace,
Hanif

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From: nadeem@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (Mohammed Nadeem  ISE-GRAD)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Re: <no subject>
Date: 10 Nov 1992 00:01:40 GMT
Organization: College of Engg. & Tech., Ohio University, Athens, Ohio
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> Can any one tell me where it is writen in Quran that a 
> Muslim cannot convert to other religion? Can any one
> enlighten me why (Some wrote so) that all muslims should
> kill a person who has come in and out of Islam 3 times?
> Is it written in Quran?
> 
> How do a person become Islamic????
> 
> If your son doesnot say that he is your son, then does
> it mean that he not your son. Just because some one
> doesnot beleave that Mohamad is a Prophet, still follow
> every thing he said is a non-muslim. I know that this is
> written so in Quran (Obviously because Mohamad conved it)
> Can just one sentence of mouth be make so different to
> God. Do you really beleave that God will send me to hell
> just Because I said that I don't care to know if Mohamad is
> a prophet or not. Please note that I had never said Mohamad
> is not a Prophet. I said I don't care. But I fully respect
> him. I follow all his words. What a funny thing. Still I
> am not a muslim. 
	MUSLIM is one who has surrendered.  If you follow
	all that Prophet Mohammed (P.B.U.H.) said and
	beleive in it, you are a muslim by actions.  To
	convert to Islam and to truly follow Mohammed's
	words, you have to recite "There is no god but
	Allah, and Mohammed is his messenger" and have
	firm belief in these words.
> 
> How do any one really convert to a MUSLIM. Just by words.

	You can convert and become a muslim by doing good deeds in
	accordance with Quran and sunnah of the Holy Prophet.

> Hold a sword, make him say that he believes so. Then again

	Cannot convert anyone to Islam just by making him say
	so by force.  According to Islam "There is no
	compulsion in religion."
> hold a sword to say the reverse. So he has converted 3 times.
> Then Kill him???????

	Your reasoning doesn't hold good in the first place itself.
	When you forced someone to accept islam verbally, you did
	not make him a muslim 'cause in his heart he believes
	otherwise.  One cannot be said to convert to islam till
	he believes in it and his actions support it.

> 
> With regards
> SUPRATIC GUPTA
>
	Nadeem
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From: arif@sooty.bt.co.uk (Arif )
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Computerized Koran
Date: 8 Nov 92 15:47:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: romeo.721237651


|> I am interested in getting a copy of the Koran that can be used for word
|> search, cross reference on an IBM PC.  In particular, the translation by
|> J. M. Rodwell.
|> 
|> If this is available by shareware or by FTP, please let me know where
|> it can be found.  OR.. if a copy can be made, I will be willing to
|> pay for it.

>One possible anonymous ftp site for Quran and Bible is 
>slopoke.mlb.semi.harris.com in directory /pub/doc. 
>These are plain text files in tar.Z format.

Another possible anonymous ftp site is world.std.com in directory /obi/Religion.
I believe that the tar .Z format file is the same as that above.
Please heed the disclaimer in the README file about errors.
From: rached@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rached Zantout)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Re: Budhisim / Islam, TRAPPED GIRL
Date: 6 Nov 1992 12:21:27 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Reply-To: rached@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rached Zantout)
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Assalamu Alaykum

Br. or Sister AQ, can you verify your claim about the punishment of an Apostate
and that we have to wait till he does it three times and then every muslim can
kill him "on sight" with Ayahs or hadiths please ?


Jazakum Allahu Khairan
From: MANEJWZA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Sufism => Please realize the prophets warning about innovation first.
Date: 10 Nov 1992 00:08:12 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University
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This is NOT a fatwa on Sufism and neither will I be relating a hadith.

	However, my concern is with the recent interest in Sufism among
many young Muslims and non-muslims.  Majority of the sects in Sufism existing
today is quite far from Islam many of the scholars say.  Although there are 
some good traditions in Sufism which are not against Tareek, there is too much
risk in seeking Sufism before purifying yourself through pure Sunnah.  Some
can very well argue that you do not need anything else other than what is
directly written in the Quran and Sunnah (ie. one does not need a personal
sheikh).  I totally agree but again, I am NOT making a fatwa about anything.  
The fact is, Quran and Sunnah are the only two sources of Guidance while 
anything else is either helpful or innovative which is very dangerous.

	Why am I concerned?  Well I was recently shocked when a friend of
mine who was a good practicing Muslim gave up much of the Sunnah (and
therefore, much of Islam) in order to practice what is generally known as
'Sufism.'  Ideas came up such as doing 1000 of a certain Sufi Dhikr is better
than reading the Quran.  And other things which I can't go into yet.  One
knowledgable person I spoke to equated this with revoke one's iman but that
is not to be discussed about any individual unless he or she rejects kalimah
succesively.  I don't know how he got into it in the first place but I was
very shocked!  Here we are, trying to restore the Sunnah of Rasulullah (SAW)
and some individuals are turning to Sufism as another path to Allah besides
Islam.  An even better way they say.  Sufism today is not what it was 1000
years ago.  SO be careful who you listen to.  What Islam asks is very clear.
Follow it and do not go astray.

		'Ih-dinas-Siraatal-Mustaqeem'

								-Zafar
From: f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: <no subject>
Date: 6 Nov 1992 12:28:40 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
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Can any one tell me where it is writen in Quran that a 
Muslim cannot convert to other religion? Can any one
enlighten me why (Some wrote so) that all muslims should
kill a person who has come in and out of Islam 3 times?
Is it written in Quran?

How do a person become Islamic????

If your son doesnot say that he is your son, then does
it mean that he not your son. Just because some one
doesnot beleave that Mohamad is a Prophet, still follow
every thing he said is a non-muslim. I know that this is
written so in Quran (Obviously because Mohamad conved it)
Can just one sentence of mouth be make so different to
God. Do you really beleave that God will send me to hell
just Because I said that I don't care to know if Mohamad is
a prophet or not. Please note that I had never said Mohamad
is not a Prophet. I said I don't care. But I fully respect
him. I follow all his words. What a funny thing. Still I
am not a muslim. 

How do any one really convert to a MUSLIM. Just by words.
Hold a sword, make him say that he believes so. Then again
hold a sword to say the reverse. So he has converted 3 times.
Then Kill him???????

With regards
SUPRATIC GUPTA
From: f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: <Untitled>
Date: 8 Nov 92 15:59:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: romeo.721238348


Can any one tell us the difference in Budhisim
and Islam.

Leave out the following well known differences

1) Mohamad a prophet.

2) Mohamad the last one.

3) Existence of Quran.

4) The way of praying.


Please point out the Idiological differences.
If you don't know about Islam well, tell us
about Budhisim only. We will find out the Differences.
What is the concept of god in Budhisim?
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PLease post following letter to Newsgroups related to ISLAM


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This is a real life problem. It is the problem of a girl.
I call her "TRAPED GIRL". What is her status according to
TRUE ISLAMIC law.

This TRAPED GIRL is muslim by birth. She is in love with
a non-islamic boy. She dosn't personally mind excepting the 
boy's religion. In some case it may happen that she may not
like Islam. 

What is her status? Will she be punished in case she decides
to change religion? What is her punishment? Is it death? 


How is this case treated in various law in different ISLAMIC 
country. I can tell you that in BANGLADESH she is not allowed
to convert. Only way she can marry is he converts Voluntarily!!!

I don't know what is the punishment in case she chosses to break the law.

Why I call her TRAPED GIRL?

Because

1) She didnot convert to Islam, She was born in it.

2) She has no way in which she can become anon-muslim.


This Question is for educational purpose. I don't mean to hurt any one.

With regards
SUPRATIC GUPTA
NAGOYA UNIVERSITY
JAPAN
From: ekrem@vlsivie.tuwien.ac.at (Ekrem Saban)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Re: Talk on Bosnia
Date: 12 Nov 1992 01:00:05 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Vienna
Reply-To: ekrem@vlsivie.tuwien.ac.at (Ekrem Saban)
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In article <1ddnoiINN5af@life.ai.mit.edu> aj@hoqas2.att.com (Ahmad M Jrad) writes:

   <I am posting this for a friend. - Ahma>
   ---------------------------------------------------------

			       WHEN WILL THE PAIN END?

				  A free lecture on
			 The Current Political Situation and
			    The Humanitarian Condition in
				  Bosnia-Herzegovina

				       Given by

			   The Honorable Mohammed Sacirbeg
		     Ambassador and Permanent Representative from
			  the United Nations Mission of the
			  Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina

Does anybody know the Address of Mr. Sacirbeg? Or the one of his
beloved father, Negib Sacirbeg? My father (rahmetullah) knew him very
well, but since his death, I lost contact with the family.
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From: aj@hoqas2.att.com (Ahmad M Jrad)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Talk on Bosnia
Date: 6 Nov 1992 12:45:37 GMT
Organization: AT&T
Reply-To: aj@hoqas2.att.com (Ahmad M Jrad)
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<I am posting this for a friend. - Ahma>
---------------------------------------------------------

                            WHEN WILL THE PAIN END?

                               A free lecture on
                      The Current Political Situation and
                         The Humanitarian Condition in
                               Bosnia-Herzegovina

                                    Given by

                        The Honorable Mohammed Sacirbeg
                  Ambassador and Permanent Representative from
                       the United Nations Mission of the
                       Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina

                          Wednesday, November 11, 1992
                                 7:30 - 9:00 pm
                            Edison Science Building
                               Lecture Hall - E 1
                     Monmouth College, West Long Branch, NJ

                               Open to the Public


                 Sponsored by Monmouth College's Departments of
               Political Science, Philosophy, Religious Studies,
                        and of History and Anthropology,
                      and the Holmdel Islamic Studies Club



  Directions to Monmouth College, Long Branch, New Jersey:

  Take Garden State Parkway Exit 105 onto Route 36 East. Continue on
  Route 36 East approximately 3 miles to Route 71. Turn right onto
  Rt. 71 South. After 1 mile, Rt. 71 will fork left and become
  Cedar Ave. Make right on Larchwood Ave. and use the Larchwood
  entrance to the campus.

******************************************************************
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                            New York, NY 10017
From: f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: *no subject*
Date: 12 Nov 1992 00:54:46 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
Reply-To: f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA)
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Dear reader,
   I got this letter from a friend. Please 
read on:


> Thannk you for responding. Sorry for asking you
> some more personal questions. Many people are
> of the opinion that inter-religious marriages
> don't work. Can you tell us how you really doing.
> I am sure that you can really enlighten us of
> this side of the story.
> 
> with regards
> SUPRSTIC GUPTA
> Please if you don't mind, please answer in public and to
> me directly also.
> Thanks
> 

inter-religious marriages between people
who strongly & blindly believe in some
religious ideas will not be possible, I think.
For them to work, both the parties need to be
a litlle bit more enlightened.  Of course, if
both are athiests, then there is no problem.

The main problem comes in the issue of children.
Which religion should the children follow.
There are many ways in which this is handled.
I have personally seen many inter-religious
marriages, where children follow one or the
other religion of their parents.  The other
parent rationalizes that religion is a presonal
thing and so it is ok.  I have heard of both
parents sticking to their guns and finally
breaking up also.

In my case, I think that if one truly
understands what 'vEdAnta' is, then there should
be no problem with practiced religion, whatever
it is.  My wife is a believer sans reason, but
it worked out fine.

I am not yet ready to post this.  I was only
married last month.  I think I need to give it
some time.  However, you can post it, without
attibuting my name or any other personal
information.  I am also willing to cooperate
with answering any other queries that might 
arise from the post, via e-mail to you.

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If you have any question, please write in public 
or email to me.

with regards
SUPRATIC GUPTA
From: azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Ahmadiyya (RFD soc.religion.islam.ahmadyya)
Date: 8 Nov 92 16:05:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: romeo.721238739
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology


As you might already know, a new subgroup of this group has been
suggested under the name soc.religion.islam.ahmadyya. There is a
discussion right now about this matter in news.groups. 

Using the word Islam by anybody who is not a Muslim as a means to pass
himself/herself as one is unacceptable. I have voiced my concerns about
this in news.groups but have seen very little posts in this regard from
other Muslims and many from Ahmadis. Please note that people from all
religions would be voting in this matter, so it is important that they
know how Muslims feel about it. We don't want to wait until that group
is created and then complain about it using the name Islam with no
right to it. It would be too late by then to do anything. We have done
that too many times in the past and it's time to learn from our
mistakes. 

I therefore urge you all to participate in the ongoing discussion in
news.groups about this subject. Please be calm and rational in your
posts as it reflects on Islam in general.


--
/M. Saggaf
 alsaggaf@athena.mit.edu






-- 
 I must, with emotional fire, burn or illume myself
 I must, with the heat of passion, melt or sublime myself
 I must, in flood of tears, drown or cleanse myself
 I must! I must! I must! For my people and myself -- D. Salman [Q] Azhar
From: acsormd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Randall Desmond)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Re: Moderate islam
Date: 8 Nov 92 15:45:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: romeo.721237548
Organization: University at Buffalo

In article <17OCT199200234129@romeo.caltech.edu>, yunus@loro-next.Stanford.EDU (Jonas Sami Celebiler) writes...

>...seems that the muslim community tries to pound its ideas around, instead  
>of allowing people to freely come to them and find their path.  Is there a  
>way to make islam seem more appealing and open, or is it the nature of the  
>religon ?

	Islam is appealing and open. I am a former Christian, now a Muslim.
	I have been a Muslim for just over a year, and I have not felt
	in Christianity what I feel in Islam. Islam's appeal is the Oneness
	of Allah and the complete teachings of Muhammad (sallalahu alaihi 
	wasallam) and the brotherly love. I've never had so many people offer
	me assistance/help/information/time/company before in my life. And
	why? ...Islam.

	In regards to what may seem like an unappealing or closed off religion,
	it is my sincere opinion that media plays an important part in
	forming such images. All one really has to do is be honest about
	whatever he/she is looking at (be it Islam or anything else).
	Islam is the most open religion to knowledge and race (to name
	a couple aspects). Just look at the Hajj and you will the beauty in
	Islam.
From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: FWD: THE 'PROTOCOLS' ARE BACK.
Date: 8 Nov 92 15:50:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: romeo.721237832
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)



Found this aticle in soc.culture.jewish:

bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes:

>   Here in Cleveland there is a shop called "The Truth Bookstore."
>It is located in Cleveland's Old Arcade.  As I was walking by, the
>window display caught my eye.  Prominently displayed was a copy of
>everyone's favorite pack of anti-Jewish lies, The Protocols of the
>Elders of Zion.  This store is Afro-centric.  It caters excusively
>to the African American community here in Cleveland.
>   I went into the store and saw a STACK of the book.  I asked the
>woman who was running the store if she could tell me what the book
>was about.  She did not know that I was Jewish.  She told me it is
>an 'explanation' of the secret aganda of the Jews to take over the
>world.  So obviously she was not ignorant of the book's purpose.
>   I own and operate a compact disc store in the same building, so
>I am limited in what my response may be.  Any suggestions?

Is it ture that this book is a "pack of anti-Jewish lies"??
What is the difference b/w Satanic Verses and it? I guess one
is ok to be published and the other is not..

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From: ociszam <black!ociszam@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Anyone have a list of good 'Islamic' software?
Date: 6 Nov 1992 20:43:23 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Computing Service, 13 Banbury Rd, Oxford, U
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An year or so ago someone posted a list of various software which
might be of interest to a Muslim because of his being a Muslim
(Mac Hypercard stack with the Quran; stacks with teaching tools;
developed by SoundVision--prayer timetable calculation programs--
etc.)  #

Could someone do a repeat of that?  Or, e-mail it to me if it is
not appropriate to mail?  

PS I would be especially interested in addresses of companies and
organizations where I could get any programs mentioned...

Jazakumallah khayran

Iftikhar