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From: 00jmthompson@bsu-ucs.uucp (Jeremy Thompson)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: A request
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:21:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.034029.18815@en.ecn.purdue.edu>,
kardaras@en.ecn.purdue.edu (George S Kardaras) writes:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> My brother is planning to come to the US to study 
> Economics as an undergraduate and he asked me  to
> find out which Achievement Tests he should take. 

It completely depends on what school he goes to, but I would recommend that he
take the English (with or without essay), the higher lever math, and whatever
he feels would best represent his abilities.  Those are the College Board
Achievement exams.  I also recommend that he take the College Board Advanced
Placement Calculus Exam if he has studied under such a curriculum.  If he's
from another country I believe he'll also be required to take the TOEFL.

Hope this helps.
Jeremy Thompson

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From: erspert@athena.mit.edu (Ellen R. Spertus)
Subject: Advise Prefrosh about MIT
Followup-To: abelenky@gwhs.colorado.edu
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: mit
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:50:20 GMT

I received a request from a prefrosh for an EECS freshman or sophomore
whom he could talk with over email to help him make his decision about
whether to attend MIT.  If you are willing to help him out, send mail
to Aaron Belenky (abelenky@gwhs.colorado.edu).

					Ellen Spertus
From: spencer@stone.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: still more practical jokes
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:58:27 GMT
Organization: Princeton Univ. Class of '94
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

Could someone explain why you guys are debating the plusses and minuses
of fraternities under the title of "still more practical jokes"?

Ideally, would whoever continues the thread next please change the
title?

Otherwise it defeats the whole purpose of using titles in the first
place (it's also a big pain in the butt for those of us using threaded
newsreaders).

Thanks.
----------
Spencer Sun - Princeton Univ. Class of '94 - Dept. of Computer Science
Clockwork Orange (Princeton Ultimate) (when I bother to show up for practice)
You're not drunk if you can stay on the floor without holding on.
From: es2q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Erik Warren Selberg)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: fraternities
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:33:01 GMT
	<1992Apr14.114943.22554@panix.com>
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

In regards to the flames concerning rape & fraternity involvement, I'd
like to make a few points.

1) If one individiual chapter does indeed have a penchant for
committing rape, this does not imply that any other chapter (even of
the same fraternity) does as well.

2) If a Greek system as a whole has a penchant to commit rape, this
does not imply that Greek systems everywhere do as well.

3) If several Greek systems have penchants to commit rape, this does
not imply that all Greek systems do.

Now, as has been stated in every other message in this thread, there
will always be some fraternities comprised primarily of assholes, and
there will always be some fraternities comprised primarily of cool
people.  Therefore, DON'T GENERALIZE!  If you have a specific beef
with a specific chapter / local system, fine.  Maybe they are a bunch
of assholes.  However, please try not do make your argument universal,
as I'm getting quite annoyed at the fact that people are telling me
that I'm 5 times more likely than some schleppy off the street to
commit a rape, just because I live in a fraternity.

enjoy,
	erik

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Newsgroups: soc.college
From: s_ritz@oz.plymouth.edu (Scott A. Ritz)
Subject: Sorority/Fraternity crap!
Reply-To: s_ritz@oz.plymouth.edu (Scott A. Ritz)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 01:33:04 GMT


    Well I have managed to keep out of the Greek college conflict on this
newsgroup for awhile. I guess I have a question and a gripe to level at
the various Greeks who post on the net. This spring, my ex-girlfriend
decide to pledge for a sorority at her school in upstate New York. I
oppsed her decision vehemently because of my distaste and disgust for
the Greek system in general. I finally gave in, and I trusted her to
make a good decision. My attitude was that I would give the Greeks a
chance this time. Maybe there is something positive about the whole deal?
    As you may have guessed things did go wrong. Just like night and
day, my girlfriend's personality changed significantly. Suddenly I was
non existant, and her sorority was far more important than her family itself.
Furthermore her grades took a tremendous dive. A strait A student
failed her mid terms. Before the Sorority, she would not even consider
failing any test.
    She continued to degrade into a self righteous and egotistical
Greek. Last Thursday I received the old, " Lets see other people deal".
She claims its not a result of her pledging. It seems quite obvious
that it is. I didn't fit into the image of the proper boyfriend that a pledge
should go out with associated with this sorority.
     Previous to her pledging we both loved eachother very much. I
still love her very much, and it is a shame what peer pressure can do
to rational thinking people. My girlfriend became what she swore to me
she wouldn't be. She became a group. The beautiful woman that I so
much loved was replaced be three fucking letters. That is disgusting.
I can't help being angry.
     Does anyone know if any Greek organizations have restrictions on
the type of people their members can go out with? I hope to God that
this doesn't happen often. I miss her alot and I just wish that she
could become an individual again. We went out for three years and
were planning to get married. The Greeks ended our realtionship in just
three months. Go ahead and debate me folks! I have the hard evidence
against the Greek system.
     I would also like to mention that this has been the first time I
have ever agreed with Ted frank on a subject. Good job Ted.

Scott Ritz
Plymouth state College
Plymouth, N.H.
s_ritz@oz.plymouth.edu
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From: rone@skat.usc.edu (Ron A. Echeverri)
Newsgroups: soc.college,talk.rape
Subject: Re: fraternities
Date: 14 Apr 1992 20:43:38 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr15.024612.1120@midway.uchicago.edu> gross@befvax.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <kumgjpINNh8@corvus.usc.edu>, rone@corvus.usc.edu (Ron A. Echeverri) writes:
>>>By this standard, cigarette smoking doesn't cause lung cancer, either.
>>It doesn't. EXCESSIVE cigarette smoking causes lung cancer.

>Please find someone who smokes and read the surgeons generals warning.
>(There are 4, and one has to do with lung cancer).
>If that doesn't convince you, try and find a study that defines the word 
>'excessive cigarette smoking'


Something like a pack a day. It's like any other drug: if you do it too much, 
you die. If you drink too much your liver will bust. If you smoke too much
your lungs will be covered in much and your heart will give out. If you 
breathe too much nitrous your brain will asphyxiate. Ad nauseaum for illegal
drugs.

I smoke and drink very moderately (perhaps an average of a beer a day and a
pack a month).  I'm not in a more serious danger of dying than you are.


Back to college and college life... being underage sucks. And an overwhelming
majority (something like 94%) of college students think that the drinking age
doesn't achieve what it was proposed to.  Why can we "die for our country"
at 18 but not pop a beer and watch a baseball game?

Most of the drinking young people (< 30) will do will probably be in college.
Making the drinking age 21 only creates a lot of underage drinkers. The law 
should change.

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From: jkogan@eff.org (Julia Kogan)
Newsgroups: soc.college,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Patent Law Schools
Keywords: law schools, faculty
Date: 6 Apr 92 09:51:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: eff.1992Apr6.095121.15937
Distribution: usa
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Originator: jkogan@eff.org

In article <56786@cup.portal.com> ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:
 (regarding method of ranking law schools in recent study)

>Faculty resources was based on expenditures per student, the number of
>things in the library per student, and the student/teacher ratio.  I
>guess this is OK.

I disagree.  One of the best attributes of Boston U.'s law school (my
current alma mater) is the high caliber of the faculty.  They are all, of
course, backed by top credentials from Harvard and Yale, but what we
enjoy is that they love teaching.  They don't spend _all_ of their time
writing casebooks; they spend some time on us.  They come alive in the
classrooms, instead of imitating the fossils across the river (*ahem*).
Several have actually turned down invitations from Ivies in order to
stay in our ugly building, because the quality of intellectual life is
so high here (as is the faculty lounge; you could get a nosebleed up
there).  In contrast, a great deal of our tuition is spent on the
_undergraduates_, so our library and other purchased resources could
be vastly improved.  Since they have so many other biased elements,
why don't they include another, and evaluate faculty by surveying the
students and the academics' peers?

-- 
Julia Kogan                     |  These opinions are not my employer's,
jkogan@eff.org                  |  nor are they legal advice.
Boston University School of Law |   
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: rbutera@barred.owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera)
Subject: Re: Fraternities  was (Re: still more practical jokes
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 04:42:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.211204.4902@ac.dal.ca>, 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
>
> All fraternities are different. Al men *in* fraternities are different. Each
> human being is unique. You are making a generalization. I am a fraternity man.
> I respect *everyone*. I try to remember that everyone is unique; everyone

I agree.  Keep this in mind further below ... 

later on you say ...
> 
> Maybe you should get rid of that classist attitude. Get a few fraternity friends
> and *then* make a judgment. Even then, you will be making a silly and inaccurate
> generalization, but at lease that judgement has a hope in hell of being 
> slightly closer to the mark. I think anyone can see the hipocracy evident in

Well, I was an officer for several years in my fraternity and in the IFC.
One of the most bigoted chapters (i.e. no non-WASPs allowed) on campus was
Phi Delt.

> 
> We are *not* dens of old world sexist ideals. If we were, My chapter would not

Some are (see below).

>  have held a benefit for the local battered wife shelter. If you knew any Phi
> Delts, or if you had ever pledged, you'd know that one of the tests of a true 
> Phi is the ability to respect the opinions of *everyone* regardless of race, 
> sex, or creed. These are more than words for us. It's and ideal we strive for.

not the Phi Delts I knew, whom I've heard make rather racist off-handed
remarks.  I even saw a Phi Delt pledge act like a dog and walk up to me 
try to bite my leg because one of his brothers told him to.  Several members
of the chapter were on a "blacklist" of a sorority they frequently socialized
with - it appears that these members caused too much trouble at the sororities
formals.

> I'm sorry this is so insulting, but I get a little upset when people make
> a judgement about em when they have never met me. It's part of the reason I
> try not to do the same.

My point is (BTW - I'm NOT the one you're responding to originally) that 
you're getting a little too defensive here.  I feel like I was in an "ideal"
fraternity chapter.  Sounds like you were too.  BUT IT IS COMPLETELY NAIVE
to think that every chapter is as well behaved as yours and mine, i.e. there
are a lot of buttheads out there.  I'm sorry if my example happened to be
a Phi Delt chapter, but it was.  NO NATIONAL FRATERNITY can be farely judged
by a sample of a few chapters.  They wish they could, but they can't.

-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu

Posing nude in _Playboy_ was "probably the best time of my life - except for
when I found God." - Jessica Hahn
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: coxc0001@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Mert Buyukyazgan)
Subject: Purdue Grad.Houses
Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:51:36 GMT



Any comments on community bathrooms, restrooms in Hawkins Graduate House
at Purdue ?  

Buttom line: Is it worth paying $90/month for a room with a shower ?

Thanx,

Mert
From: ejohnson@cs.washington.edu (Eric Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: fraternities
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:36:21 GMT
Organization: Sarah Brady Fan Club

In article <1992Apr12.174643.14068@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Followups directed out of a.f.c....
>In article <1992Apr12.123401.4989@ac.dal.ca> 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>In article <1992Apr9.185513.15773@news.iastate.edu>, mds@iastate.edu (Mark D. Smucker) writes:
>>> 	``A 1990 national survey of more than 12,000 students
>>> 	by the Campus Violence Prevention Center at Maryland's
>>> 	Towson State University found that about half of all 
>>> 	reported acquaintance rapes were committed by frat members
>>> 	and athletes.''
>>        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
[stuff deleted]

>You can attack the study for
>not including unreported rapes all you want, but it doesn't change the
>conclusions -- it's much more likely that fraternities are more likely
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^

minor nitpick: Lets keep this honest and use fraternity _members_ instead
of just saying _fraternities_. Fraternities (as an organization or as
organization policy) don't rape, though some members in some chapters
apparently do so. I know it doesn't change your argument, and thats fine, 
but I for one would appreciate it if we'd agree on this terminology. 
For example, if some Brandeis students got stoned and held up a liquor
store, you wouldn't say "Brandeis University robs liquor store", you'd say 
students there did. 

>to commit sexual assaults than that victims of sexual assaults are more
>likely to report the assault if their assaulter was in a fraternity. 

Also, I'm not quite sure I can reconcile your statements that most 
rapes (supposedly) happen in fraternities, but few fraternity
members are convicted. I for one feel that anyone guilty of a rape should
certainly be convicted, but if you're not getting these numbers from 
conviction statistics, where are they coming from? I knoww you're going to
say that DA's don't like to prosecute frat boys, ('course you've never met
our DA) but if there aren't convictions to back up the proprtions you
say exist wrt rape, then your arguments can be at best speculations. 

To be honest with you, i think you're probably right, for a number of 
reasons, not just "cuz frat boys are evil,"  as you seem to imply.  
But I'm not necessarily arguing your conclusions, but instead your methods.
 
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From: jac1@ra.msstate.edu (Jennifer Cox)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Univ of Georgia
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:01:20 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State University



Hey...

Is there anyone out there from U of Georgia.  I have gotten a job there
for the summer and had some questions about the school and the town.  

I was also wondering if there was easy student access to the Net.

Thanks alot.

Jennifer
From: eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Fraternities  was (Re: still more practical jokes
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:49:43 GMT
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: The Witherspoon Excludables

In <1992Apr13.232316.25415@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>,
wasylik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu stated: 

> [of Ted Frank] You're fun and easy to mock.  Maybe 
> someday I'll have the pleasure of flaming you in court.

No doubt you will.  Unfortunately, Ted will then have no option except
to increase your sentence.


>By the way, what exactly is your gripe about Greeks?  

*yawn*

Would somebody please read the last hundred or so articles in this
thread to Wasylik?

-- 
When the Persians have an important decision to make, the leaders discuss it
when drunk. They revisit their decision when sober, and adopt it only if they
reach that same conclusion again.  Conversely, any decisions made in sobriety
are reconsidered in drink. {Herodotus, bk. 1}   eck@panix.com  Mark Eckenwiler
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: coxc0001@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Mert Buyukyazgan)
Subject: area code
Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:29:31 GMT

What is the area code for UC Berkeley, University Extension ?

Thanks,

Mert
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: wasylik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michael Wasylik)
Subject: Re: Fraternities  was (Re: still more practical jokes
Organization: Ministry of Propaganda
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:23:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.142228.17877@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Taking this out of alt.folklore.college...
>>exist.  (Probably your mother, Ted.  Someone must have beat the hell out of
>>you as a kid.)  
>
>Sorry, my mother integrated a North Carolina school where she was the only
>teacher to refuse to use corporal punishment.  You'll have to try some other
>ad hominem attack.

You use the words "ad hominem" like a curse.  Just because I enjoy flaming
you is not prima facie evidence that my entire post is invalid.  It just means
I'm not trying to pretend I'm Spock.  You're fun and easy to mock.  Maybe
someday I'll have the pleasure of flaming you in court.

By the way, what exactly is your gripe about Greeks?  You reek of someone who
got rejected from some house or other.  (I know... Generic Frat-Boy Checklist
Item Number whatever.  Yawn...)  Why are you so damned bitter?  Don't tell me
you don't know plenty of non-Greek assholes to toy with.

Mw
-- 
..............................................................................
Mike Wasylik.......................................wasylik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
......................First do it, then say it................................
From: jeremiah@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Steam Tunnels
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:28:11 GMT
 <1992Apr4.185117.7255@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> <43924@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
Followup-To: alt.folklore.college
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <43924@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, gfritz@sage.cc.purdue.edu ("Happy Fun Ball") writes:
> In article <1992Apr4.185117.7255@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> tgpt_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tom Guptill) writes:
>>
>>	Rumor has it that if you're caught in the steam tunnels at the
>>University of New Hampshire you are expelled immediately, no questions
>>asked. 
> 
> Yes.  That's what I hear about Purdue's steam tunnels.  One of the Deans of
> Students told me that you can be charged with trespassing if you're caught.  
> Local legend has it that the punishment is so swift and severe that you don't
> really know what hit you -- one day you go get your mail, and you find a 
> refund for your tuition.  Pretty harsh.
> 
At Earlham, that's always been the legend, but it's really garbage.  I 
monitor the Campus Security communications frequency, and I was curious 
about that.  When I heard a call for students reported in the tunnels, I 
watched the officer do his "check".  It consisted of him shining his light 
down two or three grates on the sidewalk.  He didn't even stick his head 
down a utility hole and look.  In a recent article in the Earlham paper, 
it was divulged that there is no penalty for exploring the tunnels.  The 
director of Maintenance just said " We wish students wouldn't go down 
there."  There is however, now reason to worry.  I drew a map of the 
utility tunnels at Earlham for the Computing Center here, and then 
Security asked me for a copy of it.  It seems the officers are getting a 
little tour.  Well... hope none of them get stuck in a tight spot.  The 
article in the _Word_ may have caused them to take action.
-- 
Jeremiah Wilton    "jeremiah@yang.earlham.edu"    "jeremiah@earlham.bitnet"
From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Fraternities  was (Re: still more practical jokes
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:21:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Apr9.044256.1781@rice.edu>, rbutera@barred.owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera) writes:
> In article <1992Apr8.211204.4902@ac.dal.ca>, 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>

Hmm... you kinda shoot the wheels out from under me ;-(
You're quite correct, I don't know all the chapters. I *certainly* don't know
all of my brothers. Can you tell me where this chapter is? I'd like to drop
our HQ a line telling 'em to watch these guys.
Thanx
Mike
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: still more practical jokes
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:15:28 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr13.065842.29857@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> wasylik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michael Wasylik) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.000350.28161@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>>Legally, fraternities and sororities are exempt from the Civil Rights Act,
>>as are religious institutions wanting to hire on the basis of religion.
>>Social clubs that aren't explicitly fraternities (such as at Princeton)
>>have lost their court cases and went co-ed.
>
>Is this written specifically into the Civil Rights Act, or does the exemption
>come from somewhere else?

I believe it's written specifically in, but my Epstein book only includes
the employment provisions, so I can't precisely confirm this until I get
the exact cite.

>>  [stuff deleted about non-enforcement of hazing laws]
>
>If I am not mistaken (and I know you'll tell me if I am... you don't speak to
>me otherwise) hazing laws are usually brought into play only when the incident
>in question involves some serious injury or fatality.  

Depends on what you mean by "brought into play."  Legally, a prosecution
can occur with a much lower threshhold.  I don't know of any instances
where charges have been brought for actions less than locking someone in
a car trunk with fatal results, though that certainly doesn't mean that
prosecutions don't occur.  I'm told by college administrators that the
"voluntary" nature of hazing means that DA's are reluctant to prosecute.
(And, of course, there's the evidentiary problem when the fraternity
closes ranks, as has happened at the University of Texas.)
-- 
Ted Frank          + "He wanted to be the car rather than the thimble or the
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  hat."  -- District attorney explaining Marc Cienkowski's
U o' C Law Skool   +  murder with bow and arrow of Michael Klucznik in
Chi, IL 60637      +  Doylestown Borough, PA over a game of Monopoly.
From: johnsond@unvax.union.edu (Dale Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Looking for Adam Yates at Villinova.
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:23:42 GMT
Organization: Union College, Schenectady, NY

I'm looking for a friend from Patchogue-Medford High School on Long Island, New York.  If you have any information, please e-mail me at:

johnsond@unvax.union.edu

Thanks.

--Dale.
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