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From: rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Ruth Vale)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Overcoming phobias - progress report (and show brags!)
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:46:47 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo


Hello everyone,

Thank you to all who responded with very helpful advice.  I am
pleased to report that Spring will now walk quietly over
any small jump in the hunt field, and has begun to accept
trotting over them as well.  It has been difficult and a severe
strain on my patience, but it is paying off.  She's had time
to think through the process of approaching a jump and will
listen carefully for my instructions instead of bolting at
them and then stopping because she's off stride or something.

In the last few weeks, we've also begun to work on her trailer
phobia and I'm pleased to report much progress.  A friend who
has a Brenderup has been trailering her for me and has been
a BIG help in isolating the triggers that start her scrambling.
The smoothness of the Brenderup is great and Spring trailers
with a former scrambler.  The triggers include sudden movement
of the trailer when she's not expecting it (closing the ramp,
starting, stopping, braking and left hand turns).  With her
on the driver's side of the trailer (left, over the crown of
the road), she only moves around now and has not scrambled at
all in the last three trips.  We trailer off for a schooling
session and trail ride every week and sometimes twice a week
and are optimistic that she'll get her sea legs eventually.

We went to a small schooling show on Sunday.  She placed in
every class (!!!) and we came home with a 2nd of 3 in Hunter
Under Saddle, a 2nd of 4 in English Equitation, a 2nd of 4
in Hunter Over Fences (consists of a flat class and two
cavaletti) and to top it off - a 1st in Western Trail despite
my own lack of comfort in a Western saddle!!!.  She was
wonderful.  Was listening very carefully and closely throughout,
picked up every cue and except for tossing her head a bit
in the first class, did a pretty fair imitation of hunter.
The rider who placed first, consistently, was absolutely
wonderful and had a lovely hunter and the judge was kind enough
to point out that for a couple of classes, it was a pretty
close decision between myself with Spring and the other rider.

I'm delighted beyond words - especially at her quiet approach
to the cavaletti and she continued to remain calm even after
the faster work.  The going was pretty sloppy and it rained
in a steady drizzle through the first two classes and that
probably slowed her down some, but I'm glad that she's used
to being ridden in bad footing.  N.B. She normally hates bad
footing, but seems to be figuring out what is expected of
her and that I can be trusted.  And it only took three years :-).

Thanks again,

Ruth
(who finally submitted her Ph.D. thesis today and now has time to ride!)
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From: AS.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Subject: Re: Home trials, (Was: Drugging horses for sale)
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:38:00 GMT

>One point I insisted on was a "home trial" of Reggie before I bought
>him.  The owners were willing to do this as was the owner of my second
>choice horse.  I am curious what others on the net -- especially breeders --
>think about a home trial.  Mine was for two weeks and we wrote up a very
>specific contract before he left his original home.
>
In terms of SENDING a horse on trial, you must sympathize with the
owner's dilemma: Do I send my horse off with a stranger, for free,
with no control over the situation or guarantee that they will care
for him or her properly? Usually whether or not the HORSE will be
good is the least of your problems -- I'll never forget sending a
nice horse away for 2 weeks and having him returned a frightened
stopper. It felt like the people were saying, "Now that we've broken
him we don't want him anymore." He was never quite the same.

I understand the desire to try a horse before buying it, but the
risk that the owner or agent takes is tremendous.

-gwyn.gordon@forsythe.stanford.edu
From: china@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Wanted: Info on Irish Draught
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:08:42 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

I recently had the opportunity to see an Irish draught stallion in action
and I was thoroughly impressed. He was 17.2h and very heavy (similar in build
to one of my Percheron geldings), but he moved with incredible grace. He was
like a ballet dancer at all paces and over jumps. He had very good spring
and bascule in his jumps. I've rarely seen such an atheletic horse of any
breed. Plus he had the typical agreeable temperament of most cold-bloods.
Needless to say I was knocked out by him.

I have seen very few  Irish Draughts in Australia. I know of their excellent
record in eventing and jumping in Europe, but in Oz we have tended to stick to
Thoroughbreds and Warmbloods. Can anyone enlighten with more info about Irish
Draughts and their crosses. It seems there are 3 stallions in Oz and the
breeders are trying to promote cross~r-breeding with thoroughbreds for hunter-
types. Why haven't these horses gained popularity here and in North America?

I'm expecting to inherit and thoroughbred mare next year that my parents are
presently racing. I will definitely keep in mind the prospect of breeding this
(very nice looking and moving) mare to an Irish stallion.

Any info concerning the Irish breed will be appreciated. Many thanks.

Ross Jacobs

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From: xxmills@alliant1.lerc.nasa.gov (Christine Mills)
Subject: Re: western riding and helmets
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:59:47 GMT

In article <SUSAN.92Jul20143620@wimpie.noaapmel.gov> susan@noaapmel.gov (Susan Collicott) writes:
>
>You know, there *are* western helmets built into cowboy hats.  You can
>still "look cool" while being safe.  (For those of you who are *so* insecure
>that you must "look cool" instead of being safe.)
>
>My horse couldn't care less what I look like...

Well then, I must be extremely insecure, because I'm having a little trouble understanding why I can't 
look nice in my safety helmet.  It IS possible to make cowboy hats into safety hats, and I wouldn't
mind the chin strap.  Would give a sort of Mexican feel to the hat.  You know, the kind of hat that
ties under the chin?  Why do I have to look like something out of bad Science Fiction movie to be safe?
Stunt actors have had normal looking, safety cowboy hats for some time.  Why can't I?

Christine Mills

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From: j_seymo@oz.plymouth.edu (Joyleen Seymour)
Subject: Re: TB registry?
Summary:  can't identify horses from tatoos 
Reply-To: j_seymo@oz.plymouth.edu (Joyleen Seymour)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:25:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.125653.15167@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> paw@coos.dartmouth.edu (Pat Wilson) writes:
>Hi all!
>
>I'm about to buy my Very First Horse (after being involved with the 
>critters for over 20 years, it's about time!).  Red (all the name he 
>has right now) has "flunked out" as a school horse at Dartmouth's barn,
>but shows a lot of promise (he just isn't very tolerent).  I've been
>leasing him for a month, so I hope I know what I'm getting into...
>
>Anyway, we _think_ he's about 15 years old, but don't know for sure.
>He passed the vet exam with flying colors (surprised the vet, too!),
>and I got my first clear look at his tatoo - seems he's a *registered*
>TB.  It'd sure be nice to know exactly how old he is (and how much
>he'd raced as a youngster, and what his breeding is (though until
>cloning's perfected, poor ol' Red is at an evolutionary dead-end)) -
>does anyone know the address of the TB breed registry, or where I
>could find that information?
>
>
>Thanks -
>
>Pat 
>(and soon-to-be Red Alert!)
>
>--
>Pat Wilson
>Systems Manager, Project NORTHSTAR
>paw@northstar.dartmouth.edu

  Hi

  I believe that the Jockey Club will not identify a horse based on it's
tatoo.  It is too easy for the tatoo to become blurred with age, or
changed.  The tatoo is mainly for identification in combination with the
horse's papers.  Try tracing his background, find out where he came
from.  If he raced at a local track, such as Rockingham, and you can
come up with his registered name, you may be able to get the papers from
the track, if the horse was sold while at the track.  I bought a
thoroughbred at Rockingham, and didn't bother with his papers, as he was
a gelding, and the lady who bought him from me managed to get his papers
from the steward at the track.  (Beautiful mover, big chestnut named
Free Info, BTW, wish I still had him).  Good luck.

  joy

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From: lalombard@amherst.edu
Subject: RE: Olympic coverage?
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst Mass.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:33:22 GMT


	Thanks to all who responded to my post - some of my thank-you notes 
were bounced back.  Happy viewing!!
Lisa

---
	Lisa Lombard
	lalombard@amherst.edu
		***Still trying to translate western --> english!!***
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From: Mike.Hoffmann@sniap.mchp.sni.de (Mike Hoffmann)
Subject: Re: gymkhanas in the States
Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf AG, AP 712
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 11:07:42 GMT

In article <3030332@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM> wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner) writes:
>- Musical chairs.  Have chairs in the middle of the arena.
>  Horse and riders walk in circle around chairs.  When the music
>  stops, the riders dismount and take a chair.  There is one
>  less chair than riders.  The person who doesn't get a chair
>  is out.  One chair is removed, and the process starts over
>  again until only one person remains.

Which reminds of that one time, when the music stopped and all were
frantically grabbing a chair (or rather we used strawballs - except one child
who was absolutely flabbergasted, because it's *horse* had sat down on
a ball! And I really mean sit - right on it's hind-quarters, with it's
front-legs stretched!

It's moments like these, when you can bet that noone has a camera!

Mike
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From: djones@pyrhard2.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Babies and halters
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:37:33 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

I have to agree with Diane.  My wife lost a young Aurab daughter
when her halter caught on a projection on the paddock fence.
She was wearing the halter because she was new to us and,
unfortunately, the combination of getting caught and being in
new surroundings caused her to fight until she was exhausted.
When she was found, she was already in shock and all of our 
efforts over the next week to save her were to no avail.

We now live close to a large-scale horse setup where all of the
yearlings wear halters.  Given the proper precautions, I imagine
that there is no danger in this.  However, our loss was such a 
heartbreaking experience we would never knowingly take such a 
risk.  

We like to joke that your basic horse is an accident looking for 
a place to happen, but most of the time we are lucky.

Dan
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From: laurie@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Laurie Schaaf)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Fiberglass Fencing Info
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:46:14 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO




         F i b e r g l a s s   F e n c i n g . . . . . . . . . .
         =======================================================

We are using it at our stables and it is great!  Here are the details:


(This off of the advertising brochure)
*******************************************************************************

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rail and is great for horse and cattle ranches, dairy farms and perimeter
fencing.  Stalls for all types of livestock are no problem.

Fiberglass Fencing is a great way to increase property value as it's
competitively priced with any other type of fencing you might consider.

Fiberglass Fencing can be painted any color you can think of by simply
applying a coat of exterior grade latex paint after installation.

	*  100% Round Fiberglass
	*  No Heat Retention
	*  No Rotting or Rusting
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	*  3-4-5 Rail Available
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	*  Pain With Exterior Grade Latex
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	*  Corner Post Available in Various Diameters 
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*******************************************************************************

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price and ease of installation.  Several mini-farms and acreages are just
finding out about this product and are very interested.  The representative
we are working through is the person who holds the patent.  We are so 
impressed with the product we thought we would share it with you.  If you
are interested in more detailed info let me know and I will send you a 
brochure.

Regards,

	Paul and Laurie Schaaf
	1-303-226-4664 (H)
	1-303-679-3225 (W)
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From: jay@val.com (Jay Riekenberg)
Subject: Re: Babies and halters
Organization: Video Associates Labs
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:30:54 GMT

lcasey@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:

>stuff deleted

>The question is, has anyone had problems with leaving a halter on a baby
>all the time?  Hopefully, she'll get over this attitude problem soon!

>Leigh

Besides the obvious problems of getting caught in them, I'd be concerned
about how fast these critters grow!

We have a 3 month old Dutch Warmblood/TB filly who is on her THIRD halter!
She is currently growing about 3 inches per month - with no strange feeding
or anything weird.

(I have been lurking for a long time - this is a amazing group.  Hopefully,
I'll be back for a "formal" introduction.  Thanks.)

Jay Riekenberg
jay@val.com

Cutie - 12 yr TB mare 
Quest - 16 yr TB gelding
Kelsey - 3 month WPN/TB filly (pinto!) - Cutie's daughter

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From: aviator@athena.mit.edu (Joakim Karlsson)
Subject: Re: Babies and halters
Organization: Flight Transportation Associates, Cambridge, MA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:38:57 GMT

We have a foal at the barn that wears a halter all the time, has for
quite a while now and it's only about 2 months old.  The thing was also
impossible to catch - took 3 people and the baby hurt herself in the process.
She *has* been around people and handled since birth, she just didn't want
to be caught, body slammed herself against a wall and hurt her hock in the
process, there's still a big scab there.  Anyway, the halter being on all
the time hasn't caused her any problems, and she's alot easier to catch
now, she actually hangs out in the barn and waits for people to come and
pet her, she's so independant!  She basically roams at will since no fence
on the place can keep her in, luckily it's several miles from a road and
she doesn't go far from the area.  This isn't my foal, by the way, I just
board there.  Hope this helps!  

Karen Karlsson
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From: tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: interbreeding (was: help need friend)
Date: 26 Jul 92 07:21:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

On the subject of interbreeding between equine species such as burros (donkeys),
horses, zebras, and onagers I have a B.S. in Biology and just happened to do
a paper on the biogeography of zebras when in school.  I learned that not
only are there 3 Separate species of zebra -- Berchelli's zebra, Grevy's 
zebra, and the mountain zebra, but (as most horse people are aware) 
there is even one other species of horse, Equus Przywalski, as well as
donkeys (burro is just another word for them), and onagers.  There was
also before the turn of the century an equine called the Quaga, which due
to hunting and habitat destruction became extinct.  Now as to interbreeding,
All of these equines have different chromosome numbers or genes that don't
match roperly.  The upshot is that even if you were to cross a
Berchelli's zebra with a Grevy's zebra, the offspring WOULD NOT BE FERTILE,
except under such wierd cercumstances as have already been described in
the discussion on mules.  Not even the Przywalski's horse can be crossed
with a modern horse and produce a fertile offspring.  It is important to
understand that the various species of equines have been biologically
distinct for far longer than wolves, dogs, and coyotes (all of which can
interbreed and produce fertile offspring). 

					Tracy and everybody
 
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From: meganb@sequent.com (Megan Breninger)
Subject: MORE Major Show Brag
Summary: Yep, it's me again!!!
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 16:52:09 GMT

And yet another weekend goes by, with a show to go along with it...

Hank and I participated in the Northwest Buckskin Club Open show
this last weekend in McMinnville, Oregon.  The weather was fairly
warm (85 degrees), the arena was stuffy, but outside there was a
nice breeze blowing.

These one day shows are kinda a pain for me, as there is always
Halter and Showmanship first, then English, then Western.  Usually,
it is proper to dress in your Western clothes for Halter and for
Showmanship, then change for English.

I'm sorry, but I go alone to all my shows, and don't have the time
to get the horse and I both ready after Halter and Showmanship for
English in 15 minutes, so, I show Halter and Showmanship in my English
clothes.  Since Hank is TB/Paint, I feel that I can get away with
this.

Well, I did!!!  There were at least 10 people in my class, in
Showmanship, and we placed first!!!  This was the 19 and over
catagory...not Novice or Amateur, but 19 and over!  I was extatic!!!

We received a second in English and Western Eq, a third in English
Pleasure, but didn't place in Western Pleasure.  These were all 19
and over classes, as I was going for 19 and over Hi-Point.  And,
WE DID IT!!!  I also placed in several open classes, as well.

For Hi-Point we received a silver plated biscuit bowl.  Quite pretty,
actually.  My S.O. wants to engrave the inside-bottom and then hang
it from the wall.  How cute!

So, now we have 5 Hi-Points and 3 reserves out of our last 12 shows.
That's really good, considering our background as Green on Green!!!

Our next show is in Madras on the 8th and 9th.  There will be 2
judges for the price of one, and neither is the judge from the
last Madras show.  One of the judges I have shown under before,
and she is very fair and kind.  The other judge I have never heard
of, and he is out of Washington.  Can't remember his name.  The
lady judges name is Ethel Moss.  Nice lady!  Wish us luck, both
at the show and that my truck doesn't overheat twice like it did
last time we went.  (I have since had the radiator totally gone
through for the price of near $280.00.  I'm going to leave the
thermostat out until we get back to Portland!)

Megan, Larry her S.O., Clyde his Black Lab, Edgar her Black Cat,
and High Action Hank, APHA, her WONDER HORSE!!!
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From: shea@stsci.edu (Mary-Louise Shea)
Subject: A Question for all EVENTERS????
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:22:48 GMT






    Hi Everyone,



  I am currently in a summer camp for eventing, our group
is a pretty experianced group of riders with our own horses.
We are all mostly Hunter/Jumper folks with solid dressage
basics.  We each were assigned a homework, and I'm looking
to the net for research of mine!

The question is ...How do you take care of your horse during
and *AFTER* the event??  It is hot and humid here in Maryland,
and I'm sure there are important things to know like checking
pluse and for dehydration, looking at the feet/legs etc...

ANY and ALL advice is welcome!!  I encourage everyone to be 
verbose, detailed and annecdotal! ;)

Thanks alot in advance, by the way, I need to report back to
the group by this wednesday July 27th.  Also the camp culminates
in an actual event, so the info will be very usefull!!


Thank you!

Molly and "Patty"
From: lcasey@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: RE: Rubber bands?
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:04:15 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

Banding manes down to make them lie flat against the horses neck is a must
at AQHA shows in halter and western events.  It is not required in the rules,
but for appearances sake, you better do it, just as you wash and clip to
look good in the ring.

Some open show associations, such as Tri-State Rmost do it to look good.

Leigh
that band manes. Again, it is not required, but your horse looks
 
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