From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)
Subject: Re: Iraq/Kuwait border dispute?
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 13:16:17 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Jul30.041010.208322@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.213629.11396@dscomsf.desy.de> hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
>>In article <1992Jul29.092107.29660@discus.technion.ac.il>,
>>davidba@carmel.technion.ac.il (David Ben_Ami) writes:
>>|>In article <1992Jul29.015322.90002@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu
>>|>(Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>>|>>In article <1992Jul28.195953.14935@cs.ubc.ca> yogi@cs.ubc.ca (Yossi
>>|>Gil) writes:
>>
>>|>>>A friend of mine, (who is not an Iraqi himself, but probably closer to the
>>|>>>Iraqi side then to the Kuwaiti one) said that the Kuwaitis are in danger
>>|>>>that this demand would backfire on them.  Should this be realized "even
>>|>>>the opposition of Iraq would never forgive the Kuwaitis". He mentions that
>>|>>>the Iraqis are known for years in the Arab world as the most stubborn,
>>|>>>persistent and aggressive of all Arab nations.
>>|>>
>>|>>Who cares?  If this is true, they will never forgive the Kuwaitis for
>>|>>resisting their occupation and taking steps toward self-preservation.
>>|>>If Iraqis can't forgive Kuwaitis for the mistakes of their own government,
>>|>>then they'll never get themselves out from under this brute, Saddam
>>|>>Hussein.
>>|>>
>>|>>In general, though, I disagree with this assessment of the situation.
>>|>>Nationalistic stereotypes aside, the region would be much better off
>>|>>if Saddam Hussein was overthrown and the GCC states chipped in to
>>|>>help Iraq rebuild (a Marshall plan for Iraq).
>>
>>Given that Saddam was for years tipped off about internal dissent within
>>IRAQ byt the CIA, given weapons and generaly counted as one of `our'
>>side, despite gassing the Kurds, attacking Iran etc. etc., it hardly
>>seems likely that the aims of the GCC countries has a great deal to do
>>with altruism.
>
GCC, CIA...your confusion of the two is telling of your views.  Whatever
theory you may have about the GCC, you surely aren't going to blame Iraq's
on this organization, as it has only been in existence since the last decade.
>
>>
>>Taking land from Iraq and giving it to Kewait sounds like an ideal way
>>of guaranteeing a second gulf war.

It's more like returning land that has always belonged to Kuwait.

>>
>>|>Only, Bush got cold feet all of a sudden in 28 Feb. and announced a
>>|>uni-lateral cease fire. What a blunder! He only had to wipe out Sadam
>>|>remaining forces.
>>
>>And do what precisely? In case you hadn't noticed foriegn occupations
>>arn't too popular in those parts. Go in as liberators on day 1 and
>>within two months the people who hailed you as liberating heroes are
>>lobbing bombs bombs at you.
>>
>>The most stupid blunder Bush made in the war was giving Saddam the
>>dignity of a battle. Forcing the Iraqui's to go home without a fight
>>would have dishonoured him, in that part of the world you can loose a
>>battle (especialy to the great Satan) but you can't loose face. 
>
This is utterly inane reasoning.  Poor Saddam...didn't get his
butt kicked and utterly humiliated by the U.S. and its allies...
I guess all he has now is Kuwait.  Please!
>
>>
>>|>The Goal of the war was mistakenlt defined as "liberation of Kuwait"
>>|>it should have been the "Taming of unscrupulous states in the ME"
>>
>>Yes making ME states bow down to superior fire power. Gosh what a great
>>way to prove our moral superiority, lets just kill a couple of hundred
>>thousand extra Iraquis. That's really going to convince them that
>>democracy is a great thing.

No, let's stop Saddam from killing another couple of hundred thousand 
extra Iraqis by starvation and military offensives, like he did after 
the Gulf war.  Unlike most of the leftist propaganda we see these days,
let's put the blame for these death where they squarely belong.

The allies are only partially responsible...for not killing that SOB before 
he decided to start yet another purge of the country of Shi'a and Kurds.

>>
>>
>>Phill Hallam-Baker
>>
>


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