From: METZE@VMETZE.MRL.UIUC.EDU (Virginia Metze)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD rec.equestrian.racing
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:09:42 GMT
Organization: Materials Research Laboratory
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Thanks for cross posting these responses.  At first I could not understand
why people NOT interested in horse racing would want to stop those who
ARE, but I see that there is a legitimate concern in the hierarchy.

I don't agree with it coming under gambling because I specifically DO
want people to be able to talk about horses and race conditions without
being told it is 'off base.'  

And it is a misconception that people interested in handicapping are
not interested in the condition of the horses.  In the first place,
so far as I can see, most ARE interested in horses.  Otherwise they
would be doing some other type of gambling.  In the second place,
the condition of the horse and of the track has a BEARING on handicapping.

I started looking at rec.gambling, and people in that group are 
mainly interested in casino gambling.  Further a subdivision of
that group for racing would only continue the misconception that
those interested in racing are interested only in the handicapping
and don't care about the horses.

The sports category is a possibility, I suppose.  What do others 
think?

Ginny Metze


In <mc63TB3w165w@valinor.mythical.com> judy@valinor.mythical.com writes:

> There have been three responses so far to this RFD posted in
> rec.equestrian that were not cross-posted to news.groups.  Those posts
> are contained below.
> 
> ------------ # 1 ---------------------------------------
> 
> >From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
> Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
> Subject: Re: RFD: rec.equestrian.racing
> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 20:34:06 GMT
> Sender: news@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (News)
> Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
> 
> The question was asked:
> 
> >Are there people who would be interested in a news group on horse
> >racing?
> 
> No doubt there are! IMHO, Horse Racing is often a huge waste of a beautiful
> animal which often ruins their health at an early age and can border on
> cruelty. Most people interested in Horse Racing are not interested in the
> horses for themselves.
> 
> In other word, for my part, no thank you.
> 
> ------------ # 2 -------------------------------------------
> 
> >From: patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov (Patty Howell)
> Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
> Subject: Re: RFD: rec.equestrian.racing
> Date: 10 Nov 1992 21:33:54 GMT
> Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
> 
> In article <92315.44929.6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
> >The question was asked:
> >
> >>Are there people who would be interested in a news group on horse
> >>racing?
> >
> >No doubt there are! IMHO, Horse Racing is often a huge waste of a beautiful
> >animal which often ruins their health at an early age and can border on
> >cruelty. Most people interested in Horse Racing are not interested in the
> >horses for themselves.
> >
> >In other word, for my part, no thank you.
> 
>  ditto
> 
> ------------ # 3 -------------------------------------
> 
> >From: karlm@sequent.com (Karl Maerz)
> Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
> Subject: Re: RFD: rec.equestrian.racing
> Date: 10 Nov 92 22:57:19 GMT
> Sender: usenet@sequent.com (usenet )
> Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
> 
> patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov (Patty Howell) writes:
> |6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
> ||The question was asked:
> ||
> |||Are there people who would be interested in a news group on horse
> |||racing?
> ||
> ||No doubt there are! IMHO, Horse Racing is often a huge waste of a beautiful
> ||animal which often ruins their health at an early age and can border on
> ||cruelty. Most people interested in Horse Racing are not interested in the
> ||horses for themselves.
> ||
> ||In other word, for my part, no thank you.
>                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> |
> | ditto
> 
> Me, too.  I emphatically do not wish to have a horse racing
> group folded into the rec.equestrian hierarchy.
> 
> Many of the proposed topics are not of equestrian interest so much 
> as they are of "how to play the race game" interest.  Presumably, the 
> newsgroup rec.gambling already covers much of this.  If you are really 
> bent on a horseracing newsgroup, I would suggest you pursue something 
> along the lines of rec.gambling.horseracing.  I doubt you will find much 
> sympathy or support for the horse racing industry in rec.equestrian.  
> The quote above pretty much says it all.
> 
> Karl Maerz
> karlm@sequent.com
> 
> ---------- and now mine --------------------------------
> 
> My personal opinion is the same as these other posts.  I don't want a
> racing group under the guise of rec.equestrian.*; it would be much more
> appropriate to put it under rec.sports.* instead.  Also, if there has
> been a volume of postings about racing in the rec.sorts or rec.gambling
> hierarchies, put the group in one of those.  There has been absolutely
> nothing about racing in the rec.equestrian group; which means the
> rec.equestrain readership has no interest in racing discussions.
> 
> In a nutshell, NO against a racing group in rec.eq, and "I don't care"
> about a racing group in another rec hierarchy.
> 
> Judy
> 
>         
>    Judith A Labovitz               judy@valinor.mythical.com
>                                    uunet!valinor!judy
>             I bark, therefore I am.    ---- Rene Descarte's dog.        


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