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From: JI.RCB@ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: kick back to keeper
Organization: Iowa State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:55:47 GMT

In article <MNEWS.726415303.6613@demon.co.uk>,
J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk (J.M.Ross) writes:
>
>In article <C0G8xw.KD0@shuksan> major@shuksan (Mike Schmitt) writes:
>
>>: In it's infinite wisdom, the NCAA decided that the implementation of
>>: the backpass rule (which all other countries implemented last July)
>>: would be too much of a hardship for the college coaches to train their
>>: players.
>>:
>>: Apparently, the NCAA will comply _next_ season.
>
>>  You have to remember when the Federation season begins.  Their 'season'
>>  starts with the beginning of the school year.  Therefore, the rules were
>>  already in place for 92-93 (September-June).  So, when FIFA implemented
>>  their 1992 Memorandum - effective July, the Federation (College/High School)
>>  rules were already out - ready for September '92.
>
>I fail to see why the NCAA has a problem with this. The season in most
>European countries starts in August or September, they had no problem
>implementing the rule changes. FIFA have there conference at the same
>time every year and any rule changes are effective from the end of July,
>most Associations know this and are ready to implement the rule changes
>when they should. What's so special about the NCAA?

Remember  that  the  NCAA  is  the  sponsoring  organization  for
collegiate soccer.  The NCAA has a long history of total  control
in  every  sport they sponsor.  Look at the rules for Basketball,
Wrestling, Volleyball, etc.  They all differ between the NCAA and
International competition.  I think it is amazing that  the  NCAA
rules for soccer are so close to FIFA.  NCAA soccer has alot more
problems than backpassing to the keeper.  The restrictions on out
of season training and participation on club teams by scholarship
players  will  kill  the  development  of  our  most   promissing
prospects.
From: collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: The mighty Liverpool
Date: 12 Jan 1993 09:17:02 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

  
> Liverpool are seen as a ruthless organisation, for whom winning is
> everything - look at the way they treated Shankly after he retired.

Sure they should have left him hang around the club as Matt Busby did
at United, providing a shadow which destoryed more than once United 
manager.

> That's why Liverpool fans resent United so much, jealousy.
Sure and all United fans have a blinding love and respect for Liverpool.

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From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Irish Football - League Cup Final
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:06:29 GMT

--



			St Pats 0 Limerick 2

Limerick captured the League Cup for the second time and again it was won away
from home.  Pats were awarded home advantage but this was cancelled out by the
huge travelling support.  This was the biggest travelling support for Limerick
that I've seen since the cup final of 82.  Pats looked like they had too much 
turkey and were well and truly stuffed.  Limerick dominated the first quarter 
and could have had 4 goals.  The breakthrough came on 15 minutes when Howie 
King headed home to atone for earlier misses.  Paul Osam dragged Pats back into
the game with some lovely touchs in midfield but their forward line was sadly
lacking in ideas.  Limerick could and should have been further ahead at
the break.  Howie King set up Peter Mumby for the second goal on 58 minutes.
This killed the tie as a contest but it resulted in Pats taking control.
John Grace was finally called into action and he saved well from Ryan and
Treacy.  Pats also hit a post and the Limerick goal led a charmed life for
about 20 minutes.  At the finish there was a mass pitch invasion and joyous
celebrations went on long into the night.  

       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

  On being a football fan: "I am aware of the downside to this wonderful 
  facility that men have: they become repressed, they fail in their 
  relationships with women,their conversation is trivial and boorish, they 
  find themselves unable to express their emotional needs, they cannot relate
  to their children, and die lonely and miserable. But you know, what the hell?"
								   Nick Hornby 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: paulr@boi.hp.com (Paul Rolig)
Subject: Re: AYSO and the destruction of american soccer
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:51:05 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard

In article <t0d=DH-@engin.umich.edu> bjpc@engin.umich.edu (Brian Jeffrey Cook) writes:
>many leagues have subscribed to the AYSO way of thinking.
>everybody plays an equal amount, no matter how good the player is.
>this defeats the beauty of competition.  kids do not have ambition
>to get better cause they know that AYSO is going to get them
>nowhere.
>...
>for america to get real soccer, we must throw out the AYSO system of
>thinking and get real players!!!!!!!

It is unfortunate that the local AYSO region in which you played
apparently did not have any sort of "all-star" or "championship"
playoffs.  My introduction to youth soccer came when I signed my
two sons up to play in AYSO Region 120 in Costa Mesa, California
(in Orange County).  The AYSO program was superb!  All the players
got to play, not just sit on the bench (for 1st and 3rd graders,
I believe this is important).  The level of play was about as
good as any other I've seen for these early age groups.  At the
end of the fall season (which was Labor Day to Thanksgiving),
there was a double-elimination tournament (played in early to mid-
December).  (The southern California climate was definitely a
conducive factor!)  After that tournament, the champions in each
age group played against the champions from surrounding cities
(progressing through AYSO's "area" and "section" hierarchy).

In addition, there were "all-star" teams selected from each age
group, and these also played against area and section rivals.
No lack of competition there!

Finally, as a parent new to the program, I got talked into
trying my hand as a referee.  The training I received at the
local level was quite good, thanks to the enthusiasm of the
local volunteers running the program, and the quality of the
AYSO national office's prepared referee training materials.
The second year I attended an AYSO referee camp (Friday pm -
Sunday pm) taught by an impressive staff, including none
other than Ken Aston, a leading English soccer referee of the
60's and 70's (he headed the World Cup referee preparation for
either the 1970 or the 1974 World Cup competition).  To this
day I feel this training was the best I could have possibly
received.  I am now a USSF Referee, Referee Instructor, and
Referee Assessor, and also hold a NISOA badge.

By the way, the emphasis in AYSO was always to follow FIFA
rules, even in the early days (AYSO was founded in 1964, before
the USYSA) when even USSF was trying to "Americanize" soccer.

I have since moved to Boise, Idaho, where there is an excellent
USSF-affiliated youth soccer program with several levels of
competitiveness.  There is no real need for a new AYSO region
here, but I never hesitate to endorse the great program AYSO
has to offer.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Subject: Re: Just another example of the 'fabulous' English
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:10:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.102553.9177@fwi.uva.nl> bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring) writes:
>
>You'll all now the result (2-2) by now. Just another example of what the
>English premier league means... Bolton TWO (!!!) divisions lower than 
>Liverpool, one of the so-called 'top-teams' in England. What a joke! 
>That kind of results can only be true in England. Liverpool, IF it were the
>top-team it pretends to be, should have easily CRUSHED Bolton, just by the
>status the team has. But no, they play 2-2. Nowhere in Europe the (real)
>top-teams make a laugh of themselves in that way. They just win with 3 or 4
>goals difference, just because they ARE top-teams!
>
Maybe the top English teams are crap right now, but I think your
comments do a serious misservice to the remarkable depth of English
soccer. Even in the days when English teams were, quite frankly,
pissing all over their European rivals, upsets in the FA Cup were as
commonplace as they are today. On one remarkable Saturday in 1975, six
non-league (ie 5th division) teams played in the 3rd round of the cup
(the round the top teams enter in). All six survived by either drawing
or winning their games, including Wimbledon winning at Burnley (second
placed in Division One at the time) and Altrincham drawing at Everton.

>Another remarkable thing I noticed: Stuart Pearce, the captain of the English
>national team, plays for Nottingham Forrest. I grabbed my Voetbal International
>from somewhere and looked for the English standings and yes... Forrest 
>firmly occupy the last position in the Premier League. That's a strange thing,
>I think. What if Forrest relegates this season? Will Pearce still play for them
>in the first division? And will he then still be captain (or even player) for
>the national team? I don't think that would happen if something like that
>happened here. If a player plays for a lower-regions team here, he isn't
>selected at all for the Dutch team. Any comments about that strange situation?
>
Surely a player should be selected for his own abilities rather than
the abilities of his team?

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"conservatives don't know how to conserve anything except their own
privileges and wealth"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: WC Qual. Groups (Europe)
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:00:51 GMT
Organization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan

In article <vassil.726807717@cs.wisc.edu> Vassil Peytchev writes:
>
>  Group1	Group2	      Group3	Group4	  Group5   Group6
>1-Italy	Netherland    Denmark	Romania	  Russia   Sweden
>2-Portugal	England	      Spain 	Belgium	  Greece   Bulgaria (*)
>
>(*) From the predictions I have seen posted, it looks like I could get rich
>by betting that Bulgaria will qualify... Any takers? ;-))
>

Although a French supporter, I would also put my money on Bulgaria in group 6.
My predictions are:
  Group1	Group2	      Group3	Group4	  Group5   Group6
1-Italy		Netherland    Spain	Belgium	  Russia   Sweden
2-Portugal	Norway	      Ireland 	Czechosol Greece   Bulgaria


Tsiel
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From: chris@tetris1.sbil.co.uk (Chris Lee)
Subject: Re: Liverpool - my boys!
Reply-To: chris@tetris1.sbil.co.uk
Organization: Salomon Brothers, Ltd.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 12:23:31 GMT

In article 7107@m1.cs.man.ac.uk, morphet@cguhpa.cgu.mcc.ac.uk (Helen Morphet) writes:
>This Saturday sees the opportunity for my boys to reek their revenge on those so-called champions-in-waiting, the Villa. And I shall be there myself, only the second time I have seen the lads in action. The last was the game at Villa Park, and what a disaster that was - I had the misfortune to be in the Villa seats (my thing's a Villa fan) and I was made to feel so small.
>
>So, stuff the Villa, lads!
>
>And, yes, we will be in the Premier League for all time. I can't understand all this hatred aimed towards my boys. Surely jealousy?

After what I saw from Burnden Park on Sunday, I reckon that with their luck Liverpool will probably win the County Championship this year never mind the Cup. It beats me how Souness can continually whinge and whine when his team gets the run of the ball like that. (Remember Blackburn a few years ago to name but one fluke?)

With any luck the Villa will stuff Liverpool on Saturday. I suggest you do as your old man does and support the Villa. If you come from the Midlands you should be ashamed of yourself. Part time Scousers make me sick. How many of them will be left in 1997 when Liverpool have not won anything for 5 years or so?

By the way, Liverpool should give Souness a 10 year contract IMMEDIATELY. They deserve
eachother.

Chris Lee
 

Chris Lee
From: collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Predictions: Souness Sacking
Date: 11 Jan 1993 08:39:10 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

  
> I predict thet Souness will get sacked before April fool's day !
> Any odds on me being wrong ?
  
Give Souness a break. He has NEVER had a fully fit squad during his
almost 2 years in charge. I know other clubs have bad injury problems
as well but then again these clubs would probably also be happy with
a record of finishing second one year and winning the FA Cup and finishing
seventh the year after.

Souness has successfully introduced Steve McManaman, Mike Marsh, Jamie
Redknapp, Mike Hooper and Don Hutchison into the full side, something
Dalglish refused to do.

An just who are Liverpool supposed to put in Souness' place ?
Dalglish won't come back, he has it too good at Blackburn.
Alan Hansen wants to solve Liverpool's problems by buying a target man
and playing route-one football (I have heard Hansen go on about this
on BBC's Match of the Day).
Ronnie Moran doesn't want the job.
They could pick Roy Evans, Sammy Lee or Steve Heighway out of the boot room
but who can be sure that any of them would do a better job than Souness ?.

A 1-2 home defeat to Villa is not the end of the world. Liverpool played Villa
off the park at times and Villa are supposed to be a form side at the moment.

If you are a Liverpool supporter then screaming for the manager's head doesn't
help the side when things are going poorly.

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From: mcsbc2gw@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Looking for Georgie!!!!!
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:28:40 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

George me boy, where are you in Newcastle?????
From: tal691@huxley.anu.edu.au (Tonio Loewald)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: (WS)  Chelsea going through the usual post-xmas blues
Date: 13 Jan 93 02:25:50 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
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Manchester City 4
Chelsea 2

Sounds like Chelsea's going through their usual post Christmas
bad form streak....  (sigh)

Widya Santoso...  go the Blues... I think...
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From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF)
Subject: Italians introducing US-style "draft"/salary cap?!
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:55:11 GMT
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  THE EUROPEAN recently reported that Italy's Serie A is seriously considering
inventions familiar to fans of North American sports to prevent AC Milan
and other clubs with limitless resources from dominating the league. Milan
(undoubtedly the world's best club team, any sport) haven't lost a domestic
game in two years and have turned Serie A into a one-team show as far as the
league championship is concerned. Their owner, media tycoon Silvio Berlusconi,
has spent over 50 million British pounds on six foreign players (of which only
three are allowed to play at the same time) and countless Italian international
stars. The result is one-sided games, with Milan keeping frustrated superstars
like World Player of the Year winners Ruud Gullit and Jean-Pierre Papin on the
bench.
---
To prevent this, teams relegated to Serie B and promoted to Serie A [the worst
teams] may get the right to choose the best available players. In other words,
Foggia or Ascoli would own the "rights" to a player like Dennis Bergkamp
no matter how much money AC Milan puts on the table. This system
is known as the "draft" in North America, where the worst pro teams pick the
best college and amateur players and the league champions get the last pick. If
the last-place team fails to sign its draft choice, it can trade the player to
another team and get other players from that team in compensation. Apparently
the Italians have not considered this, a shame as it ensures money is less
important than having a skillful manager. Again, if Foggia fail to sign
Bergkamp, Milan may pick up his contract but have to send Gianluigi Lentini and
Ruud Gullit in return!
---
The second American concept being considered for the Italian game is the salary
cap. This prevents the teams from spending more than a limited sum of money on
players. In the National Basketball Association, no team is allowed to pay its 
contracted players more than $12 million which keeps the wealthy franchises in 
NY,LA, Chicago and Boston in check. Another proposal is to sell the TV rights 
for 250 million British pounds (over $400 million, a considerable amount of 
money even by American standards) and allocate the money so that the weak 
teams receive more than the big clubs. Sounds like a great idea, the National 
Hockey League and Major League Baseball should try it!


MARCU$

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From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: SSL Starts to Crumble  !!!
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:56:38 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1993Jan12.133534.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, clgs11@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
> IT'S IN THE PAPERS, IT MUST BE TRUE !!!!
> 
> Today's Daily Record is reporting that Jim Oliver, the Chairman of that well
> known Glasgow giant, Partick Thistle, is having second thoughts about the
> Scottish Super League proposals.
> 
> The first of many ????????

	Well Dundee a non-"Super" League club have decided to vote
against the proposed Scottish League changes so that balances it up.
Wonder what Motherwell will do now that they're facing relegation.



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From: mehta@watson.bms.com (Pradhyuman Mehta)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Just another example of the 'fabulous' English
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:58:00 GMT
Organization: Bristol Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1993Jan5.102553.9177@fwi.uva.nl>, bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring) writes...
> 
>What a two-weeks holiday can do to a person! The last days I was so bored
>that I watched some English FA-Cup soccer. Soon I was even more bored, by
>the lack of intelligence in the games, but then Bolton Wanderers against
>Liverpool came up...
> 
>You'll all now the result (2-2) by now. Just another example of what the
>English premier league means... Bolton TWO (!!!) divisions lower than 
>Liverpool, one of the so-called 'top-teams' in England. What a joke! 
>That kind of results can only be true in England. Liverpool, IF it were the
>top-team it pretends to be, should have easily CRUSHED Bolton, just by the
>status the team has. But no, they play 2-2. Nowhere in Europe the (real)
>top-teams make a laugh of themselves in that way. They just win with 3 or 4
>goals difference, just because they ARE top-teams!
> 
>Another remarkable thing I noticed: Stuart Pearce, the captain of the English
>national team, plays for Nottingham Forrest. I grabbed my Voetbal International
>from somewhere and looked for the English standings and yes... Forrest 
>firmly occupy the last position in the Premier League. That's a strange thing,
>I think. What if Forrest relegates this season? Will Pearce still play for them
>in the first division? And will he then still be captain (or even player) for
>the national team? I don't think that would happen if something like that
>happened here. If a player plays for a lower-regions team here, he isn't
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>selected at all for the Dutch team. Any comments about that strange situation?
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Well if they did, Holland may have won a world cup :-)

Cheers,

Prej Mehta (mehta@bms.com)

> 
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From: gibson@crisium.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: WC Qualifier Result Wanted (Cyp v Bel)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 01:42:12 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Astronomy / Univ. of British Columbia
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I've been out of touch with r.s.s. for a while ... could someone fill me in on
the result of the Cyprus-Belgium WC94 qualifier held, supposedly, on the 2nd?
Thanks in advance ...

Brad

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