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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: ND lovers / haters
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 16:45:40 GMT

In article <63836@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>rszczerb@elgreco.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) wrote:
>}
>}They have problems just like any other school ... but the facts are 
>}that:
>}
>}Notre Dame does not "redshirt" freshmen.
>
>I'm not sure I see what is so noble about this.  In an ideal world, it seems
>to me that freshman would not play varsity sports at all 

I agree.  Notre Dame was one of the later schools to permit its freshmen
to play varsity, after the NCAA allowed it.

>So why is it so great for Notre Dame to not redshirt?  I think they do it
>as a recruiting tool, and because they have such an embarassing pile of
>talent every year that they simply don't need to.

Here's the theory.  Notre Dame does not want football to influence the
life of the student any more than necessary.  Most freshman redshirting
is done for pure football reasons - the team is overstocked at a position,
the player's body isn't mature yet, etc.  The redshirt year is not meant
to help him academically, but to help his team.  One can argue that being
a football player at ND is such an impact on the college career that
the effect of a redshirt season is utterly dwarfed, but ND's administration
doesn't feel that way.

Freshmen at Notre Dame tend not to get great benefit from never being
redshirted, since very few of them play significant minutes.  In essence,
they give up most of one year out of four that can be used to impress
pro football scouts.  For the really big stars, this doesn't matter.  They
either play as freshmen or do so well their other years that the scouts
get impressed enough from three years of play.  Those players who are
borderline NFL material are the ones who might suffer.  They may not get
quite enough seasoning, or quite enough opportunity, or quite enough 
exposure in only three productive years.

I've always heard that Notre Dame's "no freshman redshirt" policy is viewed
by the coaches as a recruiting minus, not a plus.  Lou Holtz wants Notre
Dame to change the policy, for that reason and some others.  If it really
induced players to come to Notre Dame, would not Holtz fight to preserve
it?  

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@ashby.cs.ucla.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston)
Subject: Re: The Wonderful Bo Schembechler
Keywords: rose, heart, michigan, woody
Organization: UMCC
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:01:52 GMT

I agree with most of what you said, Brian.  However, I'm breaking out 
my flame-retardant suit.  I suggest you do the same.  :) 
Bo was a great coach, but I wish he wouldn't have waited until 
the game situation was hopeless before attempting to pass the 
ball.  
Hmm.  I think it's getting a wee bit warm in here.
From: zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Vols Chances for SEC
Keywords: n
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:44:07 GMT
Organization: Amoco Production

>I think that Tennessee will win the SEC title this year. Their biggest
>nemesis Bama will be playing at Knoxville. This means they can beat
>Bama soundly. As far the rest of the schedule is concern it should be
>a piece of cake for Vols .
>
>-Ifty

DISCLAIMER:  I don't really keep up with SEC football other than 
    standings.

After reading this, I get this de ja vu feeling.  Like haven't
the Vol fans been saying like for the last three times they lost
to 'Bama at home?   (I just have this vague memory/feeling that
'Bama has been beating Tennessee in Knoxville)  Is this correct?

cmuck

ps-  I posted this, because I am sick and tired of Notre(eye-ity) Shame
     and the Blowhard articles.    :-)    

pps-  The previous ps does not translate to "I hate Notre Dame and 
    U of Miami (Fla), I will spell it out for you....
    I don't like Lou Holtz, and I didn't care for the on/off field
    antics of the Blowhards previous to the last season.

pps-  I do have a good lawyer, if any of you are offended...  ;^)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Re: Uniforms (was Re: ND lovers / haters)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 21 Jul 1992 09:56 EST  

In article <1992Jul21.025137.10238@u.washington.edu>, tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes...
> 
>And add Ducks and Beavers to the weird mascot list.  Oregon...what a screwed-
>up state.
> 
>GT

I do recall some radio morning guy somewhere proposing a South Carolina vs. 
Oregon St series.

R Dendy
>
From: clarko@campanile.berkeley.edu (Clark Olson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Beer sales at college games
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:01:29 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
NNTP-Posting-Host: campanile.berkeley.edu

>In article <1992Jul24.195232.12135@u.washington.edu> crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>>
>>In my experience,
>>the thing that limits alcohol consumption the most is a damn good team.  
>>If everybody is fixated on the game, people are less likely to drink (at
>>least to excess, which is the real problem).
>

I'm not sure I agree with this. I was an undergrad a Washington, and despite
having a good team, a large percentage of the student section was quite drunk.

Clark Olson
clarko@robotics.berkeley.edu
From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: I-AA followers in rsfc (Was Yankee Conference)
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:10:31 GMT
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando

In article <1992Jul20.163234.12946@trantor.harris-atd.com> dbarring@dw3f.ess.harris.com (Dwayne Barrington) writes:
>I>
>|>Question: How many folks in rsfc follow I-AA football?
>|>
>|>PDunn
>|>
>
> I am an avid University of Central Florida Knight follower.  

Jeez. How the hell did you become a Knight follower? Did you go to
school here or something?

Tony (Just say 'Noles) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Re: Forbidden topics for this group
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 21 Jul 1992 17:00 EST  

In article <BrpJsy.5Jv@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Creps) writes...
> 
>   Here is a list of the topics that are forbidden until further notice.
>See if you can match each topic with its reason for being forbidden.
>Answers follow:
 [....]
> 
Good one.  Congratulations.

BTW, I had Indiana ranked #29 at the end of last year, and Purdue at #65.

But, why would you, or anyone for that matter, care about Purdue?  (Except 
possibly for the presence of Jim Colletto, the brains behind John Cooper's 
only victory ever over Michigan.)

>-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
>Steve Creps, Indiana University Hoosiers
>1991 Copper Bowl champions
I wouldn't be so proud of winning the UofA bowl, though.

R Dendy

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: ND fans
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:58:25 GMT

pszymans@schiller.helios.nd.edu (peter szymanski) writes:
>ND fans are very gracious to the opposition 

Last year at Stanford stadium, a female ND fan attacked a band member
because he was wearing a nun costume and she thought it was insulting.

Gracious?  I would call that boorish, violent and criminally insane.

>I've seen nothing but polite acknowledgement
>of the other's position.  

Maybe you didn't look hard enough?  Like, at the bottom of your own post:

>[...] you have a stinking awful football team 
>[...] *get thyself to a real school* :-) 




--Gidi


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: Hog question (was Re: SEC SCHEDULE?)
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:40:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.134704.13100@spdc.ti.com> dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill Dostalik) writes:
>In article <bjm1.711969521@Ra.MsState.Edu> bjm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Bobbie J. Mann) writes:
>>
>>
>>Well, Switzer has been announcing the games on Radio (I forget the call letters) for the football games for the past couple of years.  Greg, his oldest son,
>>
Stuff deleted

>>Roland Mann
>
>I'd love to see Switzer get back into coaching.  I'd prefer he do it in Norman,
>but Fayetteville (sp?) would do.  You would see a lot of Sooner fans cheering
>on the Hogs.  I think he could build a great team at UA.  Most people don't 
>realize that he was considered a great X's and O's type coach and a question-
>able recruiter when he took the head job at OU ('73).  I just don't know if he
>could stand following High School brats around again looking for their sig-
>nature.  And he is financially well off.
>
>    OOOO                                                        
>   O    O                                         |   Bill Dostalik
>   O  U O  U          Oklahoma Sooners            |                
>   O  U O  U  National College Football Champions |  dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com
>    OOOO   U     1950 1955 1956 1974 1975 1985    |  dostalik@utdallas.edu  
>      U    U                                      | 
>       UUUU        Cale Gundy for Heisman!        | "I'm sick of the ND talk!"
>

I'd love to see Barry coaching again also but in my case I'd prefer it to be the
Defensive coordinators job with the Miami Dolphins. They really could use some
help. But that's another news group.

John

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: Best (or worst) Nicknames
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:02:09 GMT

In article <3302@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> hpb@hpb.cis.pitt.edu (Harry Bloomberg) writes:
>In article <1992Jul18.094403.16996@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:
>>As long as we are talking about uniforms and stadiums (or is it stadia?) we
>>might as well talk about nicknames.
>>
>>Some interesting monickers:
>>
>>Akron Zips
>
>   I think "Zips" is short for "Zyphers".  This doesn't help much
>because I haven't a clue as to what a "Zypher" might be.
>
>Harry Bloomberg
>hpb@vms.cis.pitt.edu

A puff of wind. While we're on the subject my old high school is the Hialeah
Thoroughbreds in Hialeah Florida, where the racetrack is for those of you
who don't follow horse racing. Ted Hendricks and Bucky Dent went there too.

John
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Re: Beer sales at college games
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:58:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.195232.12135@u.washington.edu> crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>
>I suspect that most stadia which are on public state-owned property can't 
>sell alcohol.  This is the case here at Washington, and is also true at
>the University of Idaho, and I believe at WSU.  I like a beer as much as
>the next guy (OK, maybe not as much as some, but more than most), but I
>don't care for all the drunks picking fights and puking over people in
>front of them.  Since most people at games don't seem to drink responsibly,
>I say to hell with 'em.  Ban beer at Univerity events.  Of course, it doesn't
>seem to make a lot of difference--many people smuggle it in.  In my experience,
>the thing that limits alcohol consumption the most is a damn good team.  
>If everybody is fixated on the game, people are less likely to drink (at
>least to excess, which is the real problem).

The Citrus bowl sells beer at all games. Until the 4th quarter. The
only time I couldn't buy a beer there was during the IAA playoff
games. Something about an NCAA rule. I won't swear this was the reason
I just remember being told that by a vendor.            

I find that most of the truly rowdy drunks are truly rowdy drunks from
the git-go. They are drunk when they get there and are probably
assholes on a daily basis. It's so easy to sneak alcohol in there is
no reason to prevent your normal person from enjoying a beer or three
because of a professional asshole.

Tony (Just say 'Noles) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
From: v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Beat by Notre Dame (and not on the field)
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:56:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <63942@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes...
#The two cases we are discussing would have been no clearer with the
#bowl alliance in place.  In 1977, #2 Alabama would have been locked
#into the Sugar Bowl and #1 Texas into the Cotton, so there would
#have been no #1 vs. #2 matchup arranged.  (Plus, even if there had
#it would have been arguable whether Alabama deserved to be the one
#team with a shot at Texas.)  In 1983, #1 Nebraska would have been
#locked in to the Orange, #2 unbeaten Texas would have been locked 
#in to the Cotton, #3 Auburn would have been locked in to the Sugar,
#and Miami would have probably gotten the shot at Nebraska despite
#the alliance.

Actually the two situations were even more similar than you make out:

     1977                            1983
#1   Texas 11-0 locked into Cotton   Nebraska 12-0 in Orange
#2   Oklahoma 10-1 in Orange         Texas 11-0 in Cotton
#3   Alabama 10-1 in Sugar           Auburn 10-1 in Sugar
#4   Michigan 10-1 in Rose           Illinois 10-1 in Rose
#5   Notre Dame 10-1 (loss to final  Miami 10-1 (loss to final #6 UF)
                       #7 Oklahoma)

In both years, #1 lost to #5.  In '77 #6 Arkansas beat #2 Oklahoma, in
'83 #7 Georgia beat #2 Texas.  In '77 #13 Washington beat #4 Michigan, in
'83 unranked UCLA pummeled #4 Illinois.  In '77 #3 Alabama beat #9 Ohio 
State, in '83 #3 Auburn beat #8 Michigan.

___

Timothy C. Pitts             
Canada US Trade Center
Department of Geography
University at Buffalo        
V262XXVE@UBVMS.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: Re: nicknames revisited
Keywords: offensive nicknames
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:45:32 GMT

In article <9921@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) write
s:

>Other teams would be Stanford, who used to be the Indians? And recently
>there was another school that changed its name...a smallish school that
>has success in basketball...Xavier maybe?

Dartmouth changed from "Indians" to "The Big Green" some years ago.

>David Poore
>poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu
>
From: jay@astro.as.utexas.edu (Jay Boisseau)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Shea Morenz: Longhorn or Blue Jay?
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:26:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Jul24.232746.2359@mcc.com> richter@mcc.com (Charlie Richter) writes:
>> Not that its likely to occur, but out of curiosity, dose it violate NCAA
>> rules to play a professional sport and play a different sport at the
>> intercollegiate level?
>
>Unless the rules have changed recently, it is not a violation.  John
>Elway played baseball (in the Yankees' organization, I believe) while
>playing football at Stanford.  Danny Ainge may have played baseball in
>the Toronto organization while playing hoops at BYU.  (I'm not sure
>about Ainge.)


Nope, it's not against the rules. The latest case of this was Deion Sanders,
who had a $170,000 summer job playing single-A ball in the Yankees' (pretty
sure it was the Yanks) organization before his final year of football.
Bobby Bowden made smoe quote about Deion being the ony person on the team
that drove a nicer than he drove.

The only problem with this scenario is that the football player has to
be back at school by mid-August for 2-a-days, so he can't play a _full_
season of professional baseball.

Jay Boisseau
Astronomy Dept.
University of Texas at Austin
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: whn6479@zeus.tamu.edu (I'm Will Newnum. Who the Hell are you?)
Subject: Florida State's Schedule
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 15:20:00 GMT

As requested, here is Florida State's 1992 schedule.

September  5 - DUKE
September 12 - at Clemson
September 19 - at N.C. State
September 26 - WAKE FOREST
October    3 - at Miami (FL)
October   10 - NORTH CAROLINA
October   17 - at Georgia Tech
October   31 - at Virginia
November   7 - MARYLAND
November  14 - TULANE
November  28 - FLORIDA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill Dostalik)
Subject: Re: On-Field College Mascots
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:50:00 GMT

In article <2837@wrdis01.af.mil> demarsee@wrdis01.af.mil (Darryl Marsee) writes:
>tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>
>>Top Ten Coolest :
>
>>5. Nebraska : Herbie Husker -- huge head.
>
>Like most Nebraska faithful.  I like the Oklahoma Sooner-wagon better.
>

The Sooner Schooner, as we call it, is also the answer to the trivia question:
What is the only school mascot to be penalized in college football?

In the '85 Orange Bowl, the Schooner and crew were doing the normal sojourn
out onto the field after an OU score.  The Sooners were penalized, Wash. used
the field position for a score of their own and ended up winning.  Some
still blame the Schooner for losing that game.  Of course, Wash. was pretty
good that year...

    OOOO                                                        
   O    O                                         |   Bill Dostalik
   O  U O  U          Oklahoma Sooners            |                
   O  U O  U  National College Football Champions |  dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com
    OOOO   U     1950 1955 1956 1974 1975 1985    |  dostalik@utdallas.edu  
      U    U                                      | 
       UUUU        Cale Gundy for Heisman!        | "I speak for everyone."
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Vols Chances for SEC
Keywords: Georgia ... in the final
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:43:29 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) wrote:
}
}Georgia in the final???  You have to be kidding. 
}                                       No matter how good a QB Zeier is, UGA
}won't win many games if the defense (or lack thereof) gives up as many points
}as Zeier puts on the board.

The Bulldog defense will have to be incredibly bad to give up as many
points as Zeier, Hearst, Hastings & Co. are going to score this year.

}                             Besides, even they have a good year it seems
}unlikely they can beat the Gators this year. 

It's never wise to count Georgia out in Jacksonville.  They have taken
10 of the last 14 from Florida there.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
"We live in a universe swarming with particles of filth that are ceaselessly 
 trying to get into our homes, similar to insurance salespersons."
From: ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Brett Rogers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: PAC 10 Heismans (was: Heisman Poll Update)
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:54:53 GMT
 <1992Jul24.171542.29352@leland.Stanford.EDU>
 <1682EC621.SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1682EC621.SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com>, SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com
(Jon Schmidt) says:
>
>>>How many heismans does the pac-10 own. Of couse I know of SC's 4 and I
>>>know there is at least 1 more. Anyone?
>>
>>$tanfurd's got one, Plunkett won it in '72.
>>
>Nice try.  The 1972 Heisman trophy winner was Johnny Rodgers of Nebraska.

     Um, actually, I'm pretty sure that 1972's went to Jim Plunkett... I
was just looking at the trophy on Wednesday, so unless my short-term
memory is totally off today...

Brett
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: nicknames revisited
Keywords: offensive nicknames
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:07:09 GMT

Maitreya Sengupta writes:

>'Eastern Michingan Eagles'. BTW I personally think that they are better known
>for hockey than for bball....

Close, but you are most likely thinking of the Northern Michigan Wildcats who 
won the NCAA men's div. I hockey championship in 1991.

Other Div. I hockey programs in Michigan include

     Michigan
     Michigan St.
     Ferris St.
     Lake Superior St.
     Western Michigan
     Michigan Tech

But Eastern Michigan does not field a division I team.

     - Pat
.
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- Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------
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- The Ohio State University ---------- But baby I'm the next best thing! ------
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill Dostalik)
Subject: Re: the sucking of ND and Miami (was all those threads)
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:42:31 GMT

In article <55529@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason) writes:
>I believe that John T. said that ND sucks, and someone responded with
>some quip that ND beat certain Fla. teams.
>
>To say that a team "sucks" does not necessarily mean that that team
>loses; "sucking" may describe the general unsavory nature of the team
>or its coach or its fans.
>
>In baseball the Dodgers suck as do the Indians: the Indians because
>they lose, and the Dodgers because they are the media's boys.  
>
>Similarly ND and Miami suck because they have become media events
>rather than, or in addition to, being football teams.  Their fans are
>graceless in winning--they ramble on and on about themselves along
>with the media.  
[stuff deleted]
>
>Schools that suck (please emend with your contributions):
>
>ND
>Miami
>Ind. U.
>BYU
>SMU
>Ohio State (woodiness is suck itself)
>Mich U.
>FSU
>GEorgia
>Auburn
>Georgia Tech
>Colorado
>OU
>Nebr.
>Rice
>t.u.
>purdue  (anybody who hires Akers . . . .)
>LSU
>all corporate sponsored bowl games, esp. the MSF&G, the Blockbuster
>bowls
>all teams that used tear-away jerseys
>teams that put players' names on the jerseys--whaddaya think the
>numbers are for?!!!
>Arkansas--pick a home stadium!!
>
>any school that pays its coach more than $150,000 per year--it's
>friggin' game!!
>
>Creeping towards suck-dom:
>
>Washing. U.
[lines deleted]
>
>Gary Beason

Looks like you think all of college football sucks.  Maybe you should hang
out in a different newsgroup.


    OOOO                                                        
   O    O                                         |   Bill Dostalik
   O  U O  U          Oklahoma Sooners            |                
   O  U O  U  National College Football Champions |  dostalik@spdc.ti.com
    OOOO   U     1950 1955 1956 1974 1975 1985    |  dostalik@utdallas.edu  
      U    U                                      | 
       UUUU        Cale Gundy for Heisman!        |  "Oh, yeah?"  "Yeah."