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From: ygoh@fraser.sfu.ca (Kelvin Goh)
Subject: Re: Kadazan Tengkolok
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:06:41 GMT

Chee Ng <ASCKN@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:

>Dear Sabahans/Malaysians,

>   It is said that the Kadazan headgear bears a cross which is meant to
>stand for the faith of Christianity.  Is this really true?  I am looking
[stuff deleted]

   In the election campaign in 1990, Dr. Mahathir accused his arch
>rival Tengku Razaleigh for betraying the Malays by wearing the
>Kadazan tengkolok which bore a cross.  It is said that Mahathir's
>campaign used the TV to broadcast such picture a few days right before
>the election day.  Meanwhile, it is further said that Dr. Mahathir
>himself had worn the same tengkolok when he visited Sahah just weeks
>before Tengku Razaleigh did.

I remember vividly a picture on NST showing Dr. M wearing the headgear.
I don't see what's wrong with doing so on Tenku Razaleigh's part by wearing
the headgear. This shows his support of a multicultural, multi-racial
Malaysia. That statement by Dr. M is just another cheap tactic to win the
election !

Seems that anything bearing a cross is "illegal". We have the Red Crescent
instead of the Red Cross. The badge of my school in M'sia, a missionary
school, bears a resemblance of a cross. They had to change it such that
the cross is not so obvious. 

>   If the above story were true, I guess the few questions I've are: Is
>anyone, be he/she be an ordinary Malaysian or the premier of Malaysia,
>allowed to discuss such sensitive racial issue these days in Malaysia?
>Doesn't Malaysia have the ISA to curb the provocation of sensitive
>racial issues?  Is the ISA temporarily suspended during the election
>campaign period so that there will be more freedom of speech during
>the campaigning month?

You wish !

ps. Othman, if you want to flame, do so at ME. Not my race nor my religion.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: kama@microsoft.com (Kam Foo Aw)
Subject: Re: racial harmony, not a dream...
Date: 11 Oct 92 06:02:59 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Summary: harmony
Distribution: world 
Keywords: harmony 

This is a common situation historically.  If there is a common enemy,
everyone will become very united regardless of their differences.  When the
enemy is gone, they will re-discover the differences.  Look at eastern Europe.
When USSR broke up, civil wars errupted because religious and political 
differences.

Malaysia has come a long way.  Malaysians have learned to live with each others
harmonily.  Although we are still adjusting and trying to find the compromise
point, hey, I would say we doing pretty well for a 35 year old country.

Kam
From: brobles@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Muslims converting to other religions in England!
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:59:36 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

>>: 
>>: It was wrong for non-Malay businessmen to discriminate against Malays.
>>: It is just as wrong for the Malay-controlled government to discriminate
>>: against Indians and other non-Malays.
>>The non-Malay businessmen had blatantly and openly discriminated against other
>>races.
>>	Have you proven that the Malaysian government had done that? No. You
>>have not even quoted all the arguments that I had put forward. Do you know
>>what they are? I do not even bother to find out. You just ignore it. At least
>>you comment on them so that people can judge wheter they are right or not.
>>	I am fed up with racist people like you, who only think that they are
>>right, nobody else is right, even when "clear evidence" is shown to"you".
>>Have you given any evidence, none. Only lies.
>>	Tell me, any fact other than accusation in your current post.
>>
>>I do not bother to present facts because you ignore them. Do not even read 
>>them. What is the point of talking to you?
>>
>>The Malays  have complete political and military power in Malaysia.
>>However they have not executed it for "economic power" or even ethnic cleansing,
>>against stubborn people like you, who unfortunately is the majority.
>>
>>If people like you were to be given the absolute power, I'm sure you have
>>no restrain to use it to the extent of "ethnic cleansing".
> 
> 
> From the above post, I sense that a net-war is just about to erupt. So 
> YA'LL go ahead without me first, ya?  Meantime, I'll just enjoy my popcorn 
> and "rojak".  :)
> 
> 
> 

 Save some rojak for me too. This has the promise of some serious flaming.
 What fun.....

 Robless

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From: clipper@grace.csd.uwo.ca (Khun Yee Fung)
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Organization: Department of Computer Science, The University of Western
	Ontario, London, Ontario, Canada
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:42:09 GMT
	<CLIPPER.92Oct8173742@grace.csd.uwo.ca>
	<8OCT199217081438@sscvx1.ssc.gov>

>>>>> On Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:08:00 GMT, godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov
>>>>> (LAURENCE GODFREY) said:

Laurence> In article <CLIPPER.92Oct8173742@grace.csd.uwo.ca>, clipper@grace.csd.uwo.ca (Khun Yee Fung)  writes...
>Well, there was one guy behind a glass window inside the men's
>washroom of London England's Westminster undergound station when I
>entered it. No big deal but that was the first time I saw an office
>inside a washroom.
> 

Laurence> [Statements meant to be funny deleted]

In case you don't know, I was stating a fact. You can go to London
England, and go to the Westminster undergorund station. Visit the
toilet there and decide for yourself whether the glass window and the
office is there.

Khun Yee
--
Khun Yee Fung    clipper@csd.uwo.ca
Department of Computer Science
Middlesex College
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario
Canada N6A 5B7
Tel: (519) 661-6889
Fax: (519) 661-3515
From: ktan@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Kaiswee Tan - EECS (cpts330))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Malaysia Cup Results[7 Oct]
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:36:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Oct7.093638.6142
Organization: Washington State University!


	Thanks for posting the results of Malaysia Cup. Keep up
	with the good job.
	
        Kai
	Anak Kelantan, Buatan Malaysia.
From: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:30:58 GMT
Reply-To: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH


In a previous article, eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE) says:

>Hey, can't you accept the fact that in a democracy, there are people
>who are pro-government just as their are people who vote for the
>opposition? 

Sure I can...

>If there were no PAP supporters in Singapore, how then did
>the party get the needed votes to form the present government? Just as
>you may have a sense of loyalty to your country, we here in Singapore
>also have our type of loyalty to the country. What's more, for some of
>us here, this sense of loyalty may be stronger. Having to sacrifice 2.5
>years of one's prime time in life to learn how to defend one's country
>tend to give people a different perspective of things.

Loyalty to one's country is one thing, blind faith is another. 
Enuf said.


YA'LL B'good
ATAN



>Have a nice day too! :)
>
>
>*eligible voter, but they changed my constituency into a GRC* :(
>
>---------------------------------------------------------
>Tan Gim Wee
>EE Dept, NUS
>internet: eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg
>bitnet: eng20009@nusvm.bitnet
>"Born to inspire, Destined to perform."
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: C587307@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Theresa McConnell)
Subject: Re: Malaysian cookbooks
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:03:25 GMT

On 10 Oct 92 17:25:19 GMT Roland Yap said:
>Just to start back a thread on food and cooking.
>
>I was wondering if anybody has found any particularly good cookbooks
>containing Malaysian recipes.
>I have found the "Complete Asian Cookbook" by Charmaine Solomon
>and published by Lansdowne Press in Australia to be quite good.
>In fact there appears to be a new edition of it.
>The funny thing about my copy was that I ended up buying it in KL
>as it was cheaper than in OZ.
>What other books have people found to be good?

Hmm... could that be an authorized ASIAN edition which only can be sold in
that region? I know for some text book published by Prentice-Hall is much
cheaper in Singapore/Malaysia than in the States.


>----------------------------
>Roland Yap                          Email: roland@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au
>Department of Computer Science      Phone: +61 3 565 5186
>Monash University                   Fax: +61 3 565 5146
>Clayton
>Vic 3168
>Australia
From: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: AIRFARES IN SINGAPORE
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:16:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.2ADEEAD2.2389
Reply-To: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <1992Oct16.082620.24963@nuscc.nus.sg>, elesrini@nuscc.nus.sg (SRINIVASAN (A/P)) writes:
|> In Singapore, at least from media reports, there seems to be a strong
|> belief in "free markets" and "price competition". Yet Singaporeans pay
|> the highest airfares excluding probanly the Europeans. Recently several
|> US airlines have introduced a US $600 two-way fare for SF-Singapore-SF.
|> I believe this fare is also available on SIA. However there is no
|> similar offer for flights originating from Singapore to SF - in fact the
|> two-way fare works out to US $ 1400 ! Another extreme example is the
|> Singapore-Madras sector: Singaporeans pay S$970 = India Rs 18000.
|> Indians flying from Madras pay Rs 9500 !  There seems to be no consumer
|> action in Singapore to correct this situation. Travel agents say that it
|> is SIA's policy to control these rates - I am surprised that an airline
|> demanding "open skies" elsewere gets away with it here. Has anyone on
|> the net thought about this or investigated this.

Your are contradicting against your own argument.  In free market, eveybody
has a choice (of airlines), and each airline can freely set its price......
I'll stop talking about economic theory here. There must be netters who are
economist, or at least major in economics, who can enlighten us.

My guess is, in Singapore, the market is heavily segmented.  Most of the
trips originated in Singapore are Singaporeans or residents from neighbourning
countries. Those people who prefer to take SIA are willing to pay the 
price differential for its service.  The strong choice preference has enable
SIA to adjust its price up while still making profit. (I mean the own price 
elasticity is very small).  Of course there are tour agents who go for KAL,
JAL or PAL to save bugs for the customers.

OK, in the US, the competition is very high. I have noticed that the flights
from LA-TYO-SIN carry majority of Asians, and at least half the plane are
Japanese going to and from Tokyo.  In LA, I think SIA wants to to competitive
in price to attact caucasian American from its competitors.  I think the 
same things goes for the TYO-SIN, and TYO-LAX.

That makes me wonder: SIA always claim that it is the no. 1 airline in the
WORLD.  The survey seems to focus on business class travellers.  What about
economy class ?  What is the demographic characteristics of its passengers ?
How does SIA rank in specific flight segment, especially heavy traffic areas
such as trans pacific, trans-atlantic routes ?

Last commment: I still think that SIA deploys steward and stewardess who are
too young - lack of communication skills and experience to handle awkward
situations well. But the service is still good thou.  SIA is still a 
great (may be the greatest) way to fly.

Kelvin 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: Re: Take it as a joke
Organization: -=[ Curtin University of Technology ]=-  Perth, Australia
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 08:33:42 GMT

In article <1bgj3pINN2tr@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, yewhan@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Yew Han Hee) writes:
> Rod Swift (rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au) wrote:

> : Mabe he could do better as a performing seal or a puppet.  He seems to
> : be well suited as a puppet, but who will stick their hand where to operate
> : the said puppet.

> Try not to presume other people is mentally weaker than you, he/she
> might has said something that you will never understand with your
> current narrow minded!

My, my!  A newbie!  :v>

Please, I do know when I am criticising someone with a weak mind.  I have
been around long enough to see how narrow Mr Bin-head's is!

Thank you!  Have a nice day!

Rod
-- 
|            . . .   . . . . .          "It leaves us galloping up Diarrhoea|
|        +  +  +     +  +  +  +  +                  Drive without a saddle."|
|    *   *   *       *   *   *   *   *                                      |
|R    o    d         S    w    i    f    t        -- Kryten from "Red Dwarf"|
+-----------------------------------+---------+-----------------------------+
|  Curtin University of Technology  |  Perth  |  RSWIFTRW@cc.Curtin.edu.au  |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu (sofjan mustopoh)
Subject: Re: Mat Setia and satellite parabolic antenna 
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 16:38:56 GMT


  Sony gps  Model PYXIS is around $ 995.00

 Muskie

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: lim@merlion.CWRU.Edu (Hock Koon Lim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Query : Canadian Tourist Visa (?)
Date: 12 Oct 1992 14:03:47 GMT
Organization: Information Network Services, Case Western Reserve
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lim@po.CWRU.Edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: merlion.ins.cwru.edu


In article <BvvttK.GIs@ecf.toronto.edu>, huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING) writes:
$ In article <1687BF2C0.CHEGERH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> CHEGERH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
$ > 
$ >G'day,
$ >      I will be travelling to Canada as a tourist, on a Singapore passport.
$ >Do I need a tourist visa?  I will be entering Canada from the U.S. The
$ >staff at Air Canada do not seem to be informed about visa requirements at
$ >all.  One said that I needed a visa, another said no.  Has anyone from
$ >Singapore been into Canada recently ? Is a visa required?
$ >      Thanks.
$ >      Gerald Cheang
$ > 
$ >e-mail : cheang@stat.yale.edu
$ 
$      Since you are carrying a Singaporean passport, I do not think you will 
$ need a visa since Singapore and Canada both belong to Commonwealth.  However, it
$ is better that you should check with the local Canadian Consulate for more
$ information.  The staff at Air Canada do not know these things.
$   :wq


   No, you do not need to apply any Canada VISA if you just want to visit
Canada with valid Singapore passport. 

-- 
Hock-Koon Lim, Information Network services
Case Western Reserve University; Cleveland, Ohio, USA  44106   
(216) 368-2982        lim@ins.cwru.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ystan@fawlty10.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr YS Tan)
Subject: Re: Take it as a joke
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:11:47 GMT

rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) writes:

>In article <3335@peking.gdwb.oz.au>, mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng) writes:
... stuff about Othman deleted ... (refer to Mee Teng's article)

>I spotted him as "Bozo the Clown" when I was in NUS recently while
>making an overseas tour of the SE Asian region.

>His red nose looks extremely silly.
     ^^^^^^^^
Won't you admit that you yourself are just the same ? Looking extremely
extremely silly wearing a Red Nose on Red Nose Day ... But it is meant
to be silly, so what's so big deal about it ???????

YS.

>Mabe he could do better as a performing seal or a puppet.  He seems to
>be well suited as a puppet, but who will stick their hand where to operate
>the said puppet.

>Rod
>-- 
>|            . . .   . . . . .          "It leaves us galloping up Diarrhoea|
>|        +  +  +     +  +  +  +  +                  Drive without a saddle."|
>|    *   *   *       *   *   *   *   *                                      |
>|R    o    d         S    w    i    f    t        -- Kryten from "Red Dwarf"|
>+-----------------------------------+---------+-----------------------------+
>|  Curtin University of Technology  |  Perth  |  RSWIFTRW@cc.Curtin.edu.au  |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Subject: Re: Take it as a joke
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 13:58:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.073656.16871@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
|> You are learning fast but I hope you stick to the point. Someone who admits
|> that he may have mistakes "even deliberately left behind", is one who
|> "can admit his mistake in argument". However you have not enligthen me as to
|> where I did make my mistake. For example, there is no  "quote" here, as to the
|> words that I used.                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|>      Exact words are very important in discussing mistakes and points of
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> views. Another important point is, understand from the point of view of the
|> author, do not interpret literally. Words can be defined given sufficient 
|> redundancy and "worldly" knowledge.
|> 
A very irritating way of avoiding the issue - counter argue and try to
drown the opponent by asking for details.  If exact qoute is what you
want, then EXACT QUOTE IS WHAT YOU'LL HAVE"
 
   Othman Ahmad writes:
  "................ I've never met any situation where complete discrimation is
   absent, even in USA? In fact it is worse for the chinese in USA than in
   Malaysia, not only they have to pay higher taxes, they also have to tolerate
   blatant discrimination in jobs in both government and private sectors."

There were a number of rebuttals that Chinese in USA do not pay higher taxes.
I've yet to hear a word from you on this.
-- 
...Kyle              khor@bnr.ca         (613) 763-2488
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: hykok@nyx.cs.du.edu (HY KOK)
Subject: Re: Malaysia news, Oct 9, Fri
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 15:42:59 GMT


Good work guys!  Keep the news coming.  I'm sure many of us appreciate
your time compiling these interesting news.

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From: ct3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Chung-ning Tang)
Subject: testing
Keywords: nil
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 05:07:23 GMT

please ignore


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE (sic)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:26:00 GMT

In article <ld6jgaINN5or@notrees.cs.utexas.edu>, fellow@cs.utexas.edu (Heng Wei Osbert Tan writes...
>I understand your concerned, and agree to some of your points. However,
>do not confuse honest disagreement with insulting a country and their
>people, just because you don't agree with their government's policies.
>You didn't, but Godfrey did. It is NOT a fine line.
> 
> 
>You can tell me what is wrong with my parent, but to insult them infront
>of me and to expect no hostile response from me, is, either I am too stupid
>to realise you were insulting them, or I am to afraid to response. We are
>neither.
> 
>-Osbert

I insulted your government, not your people.  And less of the "Godfrey" please,
it's laurence or Dr. Godfrey if you prefer.

Alright, you want to think of your government as your parent.  I didn't
expect no hostile response - I expected precisely that.  It is extraordinary
how far people will go to defend something that is transparently ludicrous.
I wouldn't take offence at all if you insulted the British government, in fact
I would almost certainly agree with you.  Even a supporter of the Tory goverment
in the UK would not take offence, but he might argue with you.  It is astonishing
how successive the non-democracies of the world are in indoctrinating people
and engendering unthinking loyalty of the sort you display.

Laurence

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Mat Setia and satellite parabolic antenna
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 08:30:35 GMT

Theresa McConnell (C587307@mizzou1.missouri.edu) wrote:
: On Sat, 10 Oct 1992 12:53:32 GMT Othman Ahmad said:
: >My colleague had just bought a GPS(Global Positioning System) made by SONY
: >for S $1600. It is so small but can be accurate to 30m. The disk is only
: >about 6 in in diameter.  I can get some reading by just putting it outside
: >a window.
: >        How much does such a device cost in US?
: >
: >--
: 
: A local Kmart store sells it for $499 excludes installation. An accompanying
: decoder/descrambler box will cost around $150 - $200.  Wanna get one?? :)
: 

CAn you give more details such as brand and model number.
What is this decoder/descrambler box? Are you saying a GPS can be converted to
receive TV as well?

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: ...Internet in Asia ......
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:17:58 GMT

Hibatur Rahman Ahmad (hra2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu) wrote:
: 
: p/s There is one Gopher server in Singapore (NTU, Nanyang Technical University,
: if I am not mistaken.)
We have more than you think.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

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