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From: krvw@sei.cmu.edu (Kenneth van Wyk)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: pet peeves OR "what breed is that?"
Summary: Yes yes, me too!
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:49:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: sei.1992Oct6.134912.19413
Organization: Software Engineering Institute

In article <1992Oct6.132131.23608@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, emm@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ellen.m.mcsorley) writes:
> ...
> One couple walked by.  The guy said to his friend
> "Gee, is that a St. Bernard or a Newfoundland?"
> His friend said "Oh, that's a St. Bernard - I KNOW
> what a Newfoundland looks like....."
> 
> Sophie was QUITE depressed....

YES!  I know exactly what you mean.  I took my Basset Hound puppy,
Elvis, to a college football game this weekend (we stayed outside the
game and ran around the soccer fields like a couple of maniacs), and
I'd say that over 50% of the people that ventured a guess as to what
type of dog Elvis is called him a Beagle.  Now, I have no objection to
Beagles - matter of fact, I like them - but _MY_ dog is a Basset
Hound.

Sorry if this subject has been beaten to death.  I usually don't jump
into such threads, but I couldn't resist it this once.

Cheers,

Ken van Wyk
From: mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog is totally stiff
Keywords: arthritis, stiff from diarhea
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:05:34 GMT

In article <BvB2pE.8rn@acsu.buffalo.edu>, berlind@acsu.buffalo.edu (heike berlind) writes:
|> I was wondering what a dog's regular temperature is?  I think I heard it is
|> between 100.5 - 101 F.  Is that right?  I took his temperature yesterday  
|> and it was 103.7 F. The vet told us that it is not that high and we should
|> keep on watching him.  Wotan is not that stiff anymore.  He only has
|> problems sitting down, but he runs around again. His diarrhea is gone but
|> his stools are still dark brown and he is still sleeping a lot -- he is
|> definitely not as energetic as he used to be before all this started.
|> We are right now in the process of finding a different vet, too.
|> Heike

100.5 to 101 is correct for an adult dog.  104.7 F is a definite fever.  Get that
dog to another vet ASAP!

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Dog is totally stiff
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:56:25 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <qe20qt8@zuni.esd.sgi.com>, jegm@cody.esd.sgi.com (Jim Morris) writes:
> 
> The theory was that his stomach or GI was inflamed and was causing pain, so
> he tried not to move.

> Good luck
> -- 
> Jim Morris, Email: jegm@esd.sgi.com  Voice: (415) 390-5136


Heike:
Hope you've found out what's going on with Wotan -- but if you don't know yet
and there's a chance that it might be an ulcer or some kind of GI inflammation,
as Jim discussed, then by all means, DON'T GIVE HIM BUFFERIN!  It may be
buffered aspirin, but it's still aspirin, and we know that aspirin's murder on
the stomach lining.

Even for arthritic dogs, it's been my experience that vets recommend Ascriptin
(aspirin + Maalox) over buffered aspirin, but I wouldn't even give that to a
dog who might have inflamed innards.

Take it from someone who's had an ulcer!  (and a couple of arthritic dogs)

Good luck - let us know what you find out about Wotan.

Holly Kruse
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: bbrown@infonode.ingr.com (Bailey Brown)
Subject: Re: Women in the Dog World
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:55:30 GMT


I've been to several dog shows, and it's my impression that
more women than men are involved in showing dogs.

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Bailey Brown                               "Above all else, confusion reigns."
Intergraph Corporation                                  
bbrown@casca.b11.ingr.com                              Procol Harum
From: turner@reed.edu (a 29 hand)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Weird Canine Madness...:-)
Keywords: swings, and strangeness
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:53:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Sep30.165341.22007
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon

Last night my sweetie and I walked my large dog down around the college
campus.  She was running loose.  (It's allowed here.)  We decided to sit on
the swings and swings.  Shadow went nuts.

She kept running back and forth with the swing nipping at me, just a
little.  This is a dog who knows better.  She never bites.  And it wasn't
quite like she was trying to bite me but trying to bite the swing.  When I
would stop she would look like she wanted to crawl into my lap.  I tried
getting her to do a down stay out of the way.  Nope.  Two swings and she'd
be back up chasing me.  So I reassured her and tied her to the swing support
pole.  Told her down stay and tried again.  She whined.  And whined.  And
went round and round the post.  

We tried swinging a little and showing her it was o.k.  She still acted like
she wanted into my lap.  John put her on his lap and swung a little bit.
(Difficult to do with a 65lb dog) She got down. She came and sat next to me,
I held her while he swung for a few minutes.  She was calm and relaxed.  We
traded swings.  I swung for a while.  She was calm and relaxed.  Even looked
off the other direction.  

Any ideas?  Anyone else ever seen a dog behave like this.  It was almost
like she wanted to play...but not quite.  She didn't look scared (she didn't
bark, didn't raise her fur.).  I'm wondering if it was some kind of "rescue"
thing.  She's a lab/newf mix if that's relevant.  

	Thanks,
	Johanna
From: kathy_buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu (Kathy Buetow)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dober Goofs perverted to include other breeds
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:11:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: physio10.kathy_buetow-021092105818
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In article <1992Oct1.180630.14688@mcnc.org>, terrih@mcnc.org (Terri W.
Hardwick) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Oct1.170820.2093@terminator.cc.umich.edu> vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff) writes:
> >
> >Can I pervert this thread to include other breeds?  My favorite
> >"How to NQ" story was the one about the large breed dog who retrieved
> >the bar jump instead of jumping it....  Unfortunately I only READ this
> >and didn't get to see it....
> >
> 
> 
> Oh, yes, pervert away!

Gotta add this one to your list of "fun obedience stories".......I don't
remember 
what breed of dog it was but I believe it was a Lakeland or Welsh
terrier.....
The judge was one of those very fair but "I don't smile in the ring nor do
I give
anybody any kind of break" kinda guys.  On the Flat Retrieve the owner
threw 
the dumbell right to the edge of the ring...she looked at the judge like
"please,
oh please let me re-toss this one".  Alas, alak, the judge just told her to
send her
dog.  The dog ran out so enthusiastically that when he bent down to grab
the dumbell
he knocked it out of the ring.  He sized up the situation by looking at his
"mom",
looking at the gate (he knew darn well that he wasn't supposed to jump it)
and
before anyone knew what was happening he ran for the ring entrance, shot
through
the crowd, grabbed the dumbell, ran back in through the ring gate,  sat
very
very smartly in front of his handler and very arrogantly tipped his head to
offer
the dumbell to her.  The crowd (and the handler and the judge) was so
stunned 
that it took everybody a minute to realize what this little guy had done. 
Needless
to say, everyone roared and cheered quite loudly !!  The judge *did* give
her
credit for the exercise.  He spent a long time explaining this to the
crowd.........
as  leaving the ring usually is an instant NQ.  I'm sure he probably had to
do some
explaining to the AKC too !!  

Kathy
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From: bets@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Beth Schwindt)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Date: 6 Oct 1992 19:53:38 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE take this to email!!!!!  It ws an interesting
discussion up until the point it turned into a list of personal insults.

Beth


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kng@pt.com (Ken Gravenstede)
Subject: Shetland Sheepdogs
Organization: Performance Technologies, Incorporated
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:10:18 GMT

Is there anyone out there interested in starting a Shetland Sheepwoof
mailing list?

Ken
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From: bds@mbunix.mitre.org (Smith)
Subject: Re: Please tell me my dog is not stupid
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:37:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.193433.17919@mksol.dseg.ti.com> pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com writes:
>
>In article <1a9q57INN970@rodan.UU.NET>, lorelei@rodan.UU.NET (Lorelei Horner) writes:
>>|I have a siberian husky.  My roommates are convinced she is retarded
>>|because she does not always come when told or sit when told.  I think
>>|she is just very independent.  So who is right?
>>I have the same dog...do we share?? I am convinced that Sasha is not
>>stupid, just TOO smart for her own good. I have had huskies in the
>>past and it was my experience that until they are about five or six
>>years old, they will do what you ask when they want to or ONLY if
>>they feel dominated........
>How sad, your dogs both suffer the same disorder as mine, Selective Hearing.
>
>Dillon Pyron

I'm curious about this.  It seems that many (most?) dogs, not just
Huskies, act like this, including mine.  I wonder if any dog trainers
would comment on whether these are examples of poorly or partially
trained dogs (do your dogs act like this?), or if all dogs choose not
to behave perfectly from time to time because this is their nature.

Barry Smith
From: hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:57:16 GMT
	<1992Oct5.041632.14820@pony.Ingres.COM> <23805@alice.att.com>
	<1992Oct5.184556.19191@pony.Ingres.COM>
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: jpk@Ingres.COM's message of 5 Oct 92 18:45:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.184556.19191@pony.Ingres.COM> jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:

   r hardin shares more of his theories:

   > If you call it the city shelter, you'll get more dogs turned in
   > by owners than if you call it the pound.  If you call it a humane
   > society, you'll get LOTS more dogs turned in.

   They're called different things for the handy reason that they are
   different things and do different things.

   The pound impounds dogs.  Unlike the shelter, it doesn't do education,
   doesn't go into the schools, doesn't provide vaccination clinics,
   doesn't investigate animal cruelty cases, doesn't get weekly columns
   into the newspapers, doesn't promote public awareness of pet issues,
   doesn't organize or promote dog training, doesn't organize or hold low
   cost spay/neuter services, and doesn't have mandate or funding for pet
   adoption.  The shelter does all that and more.  The humane society may
   or may not have a shelter.  The humane society, unlike the pound, is
   privately funded.  If the humane society has a shelter, it's usually
   restricted from taking in strays.

   Once again, perhaps your theories would improve if you got your
   facts right.

   Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  

As would yours!

In San Mateo County, CA, the "animal impoundment" contract, and the
"county shelter" contract are both held by the Peninsula Humane
Society.

From other of your postings, I get the impression that the shelter you
work at is a fairly good one.  Not every locality is so blessed.  In
fact, some of us are cursed with multi-purpose "humane societies" that
indirectly use taxpayers' and pet-owners' money to support their
blatent Animal Rights campaigns.

Would-be contributors to any of these types of organizations are
strongly urged to look beyond the name, to find out what they are
actually supporting.

Marsha Jo Hannah
(a FORMER contributor to PHS)
From: williamsk@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (It always scares me when something looks easy to do.)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Please tell me my dog is not stupid
Date: 29 Sep 92 11:38:18 EST

In article <BvB551.FMr@news.udel.edu>, thuyan@ravel.udel.edu (Thuy-An Hartman) writes:
> I have a siberian husky.  My roommates are convinced she is retarded
> because she does not always come when told or sit when told.  I think
> she is just very independent.  So who is right?
> 
> Thuy-An
> 
You are!  Huskies take the message and get back to you when they are ready!

Kim
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mcfadden@bellman.lanl.gov (Russell McFadden)
Subject: SHOW BRAGS
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Reply-To: mcfadden@bellman.lanl.gov
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:02:35 GMT
X-Posted-From: nimue.lanl.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


First to Robert Pappenhagen - Congratulations on the recent major. Also, I was
glad to hear that the dogs weren't hurt in your car accident, I hope you weren't
either.

I just got back from four shows in Lubbock, Texas, with the following  results:

Whippet "Jasmine" (Ch. Appraxin Break Every Rule) was Best of Breed at all
four shows. She was pulled in the Group at three of them, but didn't get a
placement.

Whippet "Amber" (Timbrel's Soul Provider) won her Bred-By-Exhibitor Class every
day.

Ibizan Hound "Cali" (hemato Cosa Caliente Timbrel) won her Puppy 6-9 Class at two
of the shows (her litter sister won the other two days) and was also Reserve
Winners Bitch to two 4-point majors.

Afghan Hound "Mercedes" (Abiszet Minuet), what can I say - would anybody out
there like to buy an Afghan Hound who hates dog shows as well as other Afghan
Hounds (my fault, she thinks she is a whippet) cheap? (Just kidding - she is
a twerp but she is my twerp)

More shows in Santa Fe, New Mexico, this weekend, but I can only show one day
because I belong to the Santa Fe Club (the Sangre de Cristo Kennel Club)

Regards.

Russell L. McFadden
mcfadden@nimue.lanl.gov
From: hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:58:57 GMT
	<1992Sep30.170603.547@col.hp.com> <30SEP92.13504899@wums.wustl.edu>
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: trimpe_b@wums.wustl.edu's message of 30 Sep 92 13:50:48 GMT

In article <30SEP92.13504899@wums.wustl.edu> trimpe_b@wums.wustl.edu writes:

   In a previous article, lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson) wrote:

   >Part of my dogs' job is to bark if anything weird is going on (like 
   >people in the yard, attempts at the door, etc.). Once they have 
   >informed me, doing something about it is my job. 
   > 
   >Now if I could only set there sensitivity a little lower. ("Hey!! Hey
   >hey!! Hey Laura, there's some kids on their way to school! Laura, do
   >something! Hey!!)

	   Or howzabout our personal favorite "woof woof the coat rack 
   fell over at 3 AM, woof" Or "BArk bark that big chair has been moved...
   do something!!"
   oh brother :-)

   Bev 

My neighbor once told me that she didn't mind her collie barking at
the deer that traipsed thru on the hillside above their home, as she
enjoyed watching the deer, once the dog had pointed them out to her.
She did, however, think that she could do with fewer butterfly
alerts....

Marsha Jo Hannah
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: emm@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ellen.m.mcsorley)
Subject: re: Slow Sits
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:17:10 GMT

Well, Sophie, the Obedience Wonder Newf, can act like
she is being asked to sit in a tub full of hot water.
Trainers tell you to be careful with big breeds when
working on sits - don't push their hips down - instead
tuck you arm under their butt to get them to sit.  OK,
now, you take my 155 lb. fuzzy dog and tuck your arm
under her butt and get her to sit - if you're lucky,
she WON'T sit on your arm and break it!

One trainer, who has dealt with LOTS of giant breeds,
just gives her dog a good tap right above the tail right
after she says "sit" to remind him what to do (yeah, he's
a Newf, too!)  IF he starts to sit at the command she doesn't
tap - if he goes too slow, she taps!  Depending on the size
of the dog (i.e. you have to bend over too far) try tapping
with a riding crop - notice I'm saying TAP, so I don't want
any flames about me beating my dogs with riding crops!
From: pmadsen@corral.uwyo.edu (Peter J. Madsen)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Basenji
Summary: Where can I get info on Basenji's
Keywords: dog, basenji
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:11:46 GMT
Distribution: rec.pets.dogs,world
Organization: University of Wyoming, Laramie Wyoming

Does anyone have any experience with Basenji's?  I have heard that there 
are several different strains of these dogs.  How about an address of a 
breeder or somewhere I can get some more information on them?  Thanks much.

::: Peter Madsen, User Consultant  Information Technology User Support :::
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From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:07:56 GMT

r hardin writes:
> Well, for example, the humane societies around me specifically
> do not train, and refuse even an offer of training,
> because, as the head explained, it's a waste of time.

Yep, that proves it!  Humane societies oppose training!

Of course, even assuming we believe you.  One of the disadvantages of
getting a reputation for indifference to the facts, you see, is people
stop believing you.

> Second, they don't find them homes, they kill them.

Care to provide names of the societies and produce data on their
adoption records?

Then, since we're not fools, we'll believe you when we can verify your
claims independently.

Then, if it proves to be the case, we'll ask what you're doing about
it.  Humane societies have no monopoly on shelters.  What shelters
have you founded or are you running, supporting, or volunteering at?

-- Jon
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: feldman@cs.tulane.edu (Damon Feldman)
Subject: Stupid Dog-conclusion
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:44:14 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-6201]: diana


>You would not believe how many people told me that my dog was bad and
>needed obedience school (even though she already had it) or that she
>thought she was Alpha (I think my husband makes it quite clear to her
>who Alpha is!).  

>I'm glad to know she is not the only husky with an attitude!!

Recently a freind was listening to a dog-behavior call in show.  The
host claimed that all dogs were trainable etc.  

A caller called in (as callers do :-) and said, "I have a dog which even
YOU can't train!"

To which the host replied, "Really?  What kind of Northern or Oriental
breed is it?"

Huskies are hard to train.  This does not mean they are untrainable, but
they are not for everyone.  You should either be a capable trainer or be
willing to let the dog go untrained.

Damon-- 
Damon Feldman                  feldman@rex.cs.tulane.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: Stacey Curtis <sec@softserver.canberra.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Raising dogs vs. children (was: East Bay Regional Parks...)
Organization: University Of Canberra
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 23:26:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.153208.5949@cs.tulane.edu> Damon Feldman,
feldman@cs.tulane.edu writes:
>For instance if a dog shows "remorse" over an action, the dog is
>really showing fear of a correction, showing submissive behavior, or
>is simpley trying to manipulate you.  The dog does not really feel bad
>for having upset you, because this is beyond the dog's mental ability.
>
Please supply the proof on which you base the fact that remorse, etc is
beyond the dog's mental ability.  I recall another thread starting last
week or so asking for copies of the scientific study into canine
intelligence.  Since you seem to have expertise in this field perhaps you
could enlighten us all.

>Likewise if a child is punished exactly the same for misbehaviors,
>regardless of the kid's motivations and remorse, he or she learns that
>punishment is a game with set rules.  Feeling bad or empathising with
>the victim of a misbehavior is good for nothing.

Wrong.  Young children (newly mobile up to around 3 years old) show
basically the same behavioural motivations as dogs (in general).   For
this age group punishment is a game with a set of rules.  Like with dogs,
ALL children need to know the limits of what is acceptable behaviour, and
if they break the rules then suitable punishment should prevail.  Again,
Dogs and Children respond best when they have CONSISTANT action
reactions.  They need to be taught what the word NO means, and what
disobeying that word will cause to happen.  It is only when the child
gets older that the rules change for the child, not the dog.  IMHO having
a dog is basically like having a toddler, same basic mental age.   

>
>This, as I see it, is the difference between dogs and kids.  It seems
>that many people can only raise one or the other.
>
And some shouldn't be allowed either.

Stacey.
Xref: sparky rec.pets:3200 rec.pets.cats:11724
From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: rec.pets,rec.pets.cats
Subject: kitten needs home
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:25:22 GMT
Reply-To: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
Distribution: na
Organization: gators 'r us
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992

two kittens have been abandoned at my animal hospital.  one has been
adopted already.  the other is about 3 months old, female, shorthaired,
and black. (and *very* cute). she has had a negative leukemia test.

if interested please call 508-658-6400 and ask for linda.
-- 
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-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
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Subject: Re: Beluga Whales Die at Shadd Aquarium in Chicago, Ill
From: chelsea@oneb.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 13:33:56 PDT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Nanaimo, B.C.

> >	Determination to stop this stupidity will pay off.
> 
> Whose stupidity? The whales died by accident. Do you think anyone would
> take the trouble they did to kill them on purpose?
> 
> 	Chris Retterath

maybe nobody did but if they hadn't caught them in the first place,
that probebly wouldn't have happened.

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