HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: keegan@pan.crd.ge.com (James G Keegan Jr)
Newsgroups: alt.flame,talk.abortion,alt.abortion.inequity,soc.women,soc.men
Subject: Re: Father Notification Reconsidered
Summary: expiring kill files.......
Date: 6 Sep 92 21:54:44 GMT
Reply-To: james g keegan jr <keegan@crd.ge.com>
Followup-To: misc.misogyny
Organization: T.S.A.K.C.
Disclaimer: i speak for myself only, unless noted otherwise

gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel) writes:
-> Unfortunately my KILL file expired, so I read
-> Keegan's article.  Before I fix my KILL file, I'll
-> answer his question.

gosh, that's too bad. did it expire of natural causes,
or was it some specific illness?

-> james g keegan jr <keegan@crd.ge.com> writes:
-> gazit@duke.cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit) writes:
-> # Adrienne demands the no choice-for-men but she is
-> # not willing to give the respect she demands.  She
-> # just knows that her moral values are so superior
-> # that it is perfectly fine to enforce them on other
-> # people.
-> 
-> >does salit know that you are reading other women's
-> >minds again?

-> Keegan dear, there no need to read Adrienne's mind,

but, heck, if you can read minds, why not?

-> her articles are clear enough.  

they are sufficiently clear for me to understand why
she frightens you.

-> Take this one for example:

[deleted adrienne article which did not state that
adrienne knew her moral values were superior.]

i don't know why you included that article.

so, does salit know you're reading other women's minds?

if so, how does she feel about it?

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Newsgroups: alt.flame,talk.politics.guns,talk.abortion
From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: Rights and Legal Manuevering (Was Re: democratic platform)
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:35:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.040317.734@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>In article <lefty-270892171232@lefty.apple.com> lefty@apple.com (Lefty) writes:
>>> >Need or not, the 2nd amendment was analysed fairly early.  Cruikshank
>>> >said that the 2nd and the 1st were both individual rights protected
>>> >against federal infringement.  
>>> 
>>> I see another name. Who the hell is "Cruikshank", and is he or she a
>>> credible source for ANYTHING WHATSOEVER?
>>
>>US vs. Cruikshank, sometime in the late 1870s, a decision in which it was
>>stated that the right to keep and bear arms was was an "inalienable" right
>>as opposed to one "granted" by the Constitution.
>
>Then Mr. Freeman needs some serious help with his legal citation style.

Poor Darcy.  The discussion is informal, so formal styles are not
required; informal references are completely appropriate.  Hint: that
isn't a legal citation but a pointer to relevant material.  I realize
that Darcy insists that other people follow his rules, but I'm more
interested in communicating with people who are interested enough to
pay attention.

Darcy claims that he's familiar with the literature but misses a
reference that even people with only passing knowledge of that
literature understood.

-andy
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From: kougham@reis58.alleg.edu (Michael Koughhan)
Newsgroups: alt.flame,misc.test
Subject: Re: It's the Prick(I mean the Pope,Yes again!
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:30:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: pellns.1992Sep14.013021.5713
Distribution: na
Organization: Allegheny College

In article <BuJEr1.Gz9@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> matthew@mentor.cc.purdue.edu  
(unknown) writes:
> In article <1992Sep13.022533.25430@pellns.alleg.edu>  
kougham@reis64.alleg.edu (Michael Koughhan) writes:
> >In article <BuDCu6.J4H@news.cso.uiuc.edu> thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)  
writes:
> >> jyoung@Cadence.COM (John Young) writes:
> >> 
> >> >**AND** then calls me a college turd,when anybody
> >> >[swill deleted]
> >> Obviously you were not accepted at the local Community College.
> >> [Ben Cox's brief yet efficient response deleted]
> >
> >Good cut. More power to free speech.  But, since you are supporting a  
> >young Adolf Hitler on the rise, and are obviously (I love that word) a  
> >backwoods hick who fucks chickens for a living, you must also be a  
"Homo  
> >sympathizer" as laughing boy failed to realize that his post  
automatically  
> >included him in rec.muc.ind.  By the way, get more inventive with your  
> >slanderings.  They are utterly boring.  
> >    BURN, BABY, BURN!
> 
> Your "flame" makes no sense.  You obviously (I love that word) are
> unable to use logic and reason, let alone the accepted grammatical
> standards of the English language (which, incidentally, is the
> official language of Usenet) and have therefore made yourself
> look like a fool in front of all the readers of this newsgroup.
> By the way, SHUT THE HELL UP, GEEK.                      
> 
> 
> Matthew Neill Sharp,               
> matthew@mentor.cc.purdue.edu   mnsharp@nyx.cs.du.edu
> 
> 
> >                            "All the people are asleep and dreaming..."     
> 			      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 				This is pointless and "utterly boring."

The word for today, class, is BRAINWASHED!
From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Software Copyright protection devices
Date: 5 Sep 1992 20:50:16 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gandalf.think.com

In article <1992Sep5.160053.11247@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> flaps@dgp.toronto.edu (Alan J Rosenthal) writes:
>But if they don't give away a demo version, they have the money paid by the
>dissatisfied customer.

Which is better: 5 sales to people who are willing to buy a product
sight-unseen, or giving away 20 demo copies and making sales to 10 of these
recipients?
-- 
Barry Margolin
System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.

barmar@think.com          {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar
From: BulzarUser@cs.uwp.edu
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: testing
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:34:27 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside

I was having problems with my postings.  This is only a test.

Thanks for your cooperation.
Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: EP.LLD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lara)
Subject: Re: Who is Kevin Darcy & why hate him so?
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:29:34 GMT

the one good thing about the moronic hugo is that it has, at least
temporarily, knocked the steam out of the equally moronic and
pointless (if not racist) jerking off around this kebbie-drooler.

you do realize, don't you (yes, i'm guilty, above) that you're only
stroking the poor dweebs (hugo and kevin) by even mentioning
their names and acknowledgeing their existence.  neither one has
anything substantive to say, but apparently neither do those who
respond directly to them.  i think that we should talk AROUND them.

now here's something we can really talk about.

"a woman who seeks equality* gives up her superiority."
                                  unk

*[in an interpersonal relationship, not societal equality]

you might want to think about that for a moment before responding (a
unique idea), since there are many contexts in which to take it!

furthermore, i'm pro choice and i vote.
<-- arrow -->
From: nlc@vulcan.xtel.co.uk (Neil Cook)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Fuck You All
Date: 9 Sep 92 10:46:43 GMT
Organization: X-Tel Services Ltd.

In article <18k3pbINNo4t@agate.berkeley.edu>, tom@soda.berkeley.edu (Tom Holub) writes:
|> Path: nott-cs!uknet!mcsun!uunet!spool.mu.edu!agate!soda.berkeley.edu!tom
|> From: tom@soda.berkeley.edu (Tom Holub)
|> Newsgroups: alt.flame
|> Subject: Re: Fuck You All
|> Message-ID: <18k3pbINNo4t@agate.berkeley.edu>
|> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 06:58:03 BST
|> References: <BuAowu.A4v@well.sf.ca.us>
|> Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
|> Lines: 16
|> NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
|> 
|> In article <BuAowu.A4v@well.sf.ca.us> hugoglez@well.sf.ca.us (Hugo Gonzalez) writes:
|> )
|> )(I am NOT white, I am hispanic).
|> )
|> )The way I see it, this is the intelligence scale of races, smartest
|> )at the top...
|> )
|> )Oriental
|> )White
|> )Hispanic
|> )Black
|> )Polish
|> 
|> After seeing this post, I might be inclined to move 'Hispanic' down a 
|> couple notches.
|>  -Tom

Hehe, yeah, except that he missed a couple out:

...
Polish
Dogs
Republicans
rec.arts.startrek.tech.bill-shatners-toupee-glue readers
Ramblers
Train Spotters
Home Electronics Experts
rec.music.country.western readers
Saddam Hussein's Public Relations Company
Helpline Telephone Operators
Americans

Neil
Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: bis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Bis)
Subject: Formula Flaming from Jimmy Junior
Summary: Oh, excuse me, that's "jimmy junior"  : )
Organization: Bis Information Services
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 10:55:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.012925.2737@crd.ge.com> jimmy-boy robotically
drones: 
>adi inbar / blipfool / bisfool posting as
>bis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Bis) writes:
>-> <keegan@crd.ge.com> blushes and babbles
>-> >exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (exuptr@exu.ericsson.se) writes:
>-> >-> Who is this guy?
>-> >
>-> >that's bisfool, blipfool, aka adi inbar. his claim
>-> >to fame is that he bragged about inviting a gay
>-> >person to his dorm room and beating him up.
>
>-> For the record:  This never happened. 


Ah, yes, the Bip quotes.  Good boy, jimmy, I just *knew* you wouldn't
disappoint me!

>        "No, what I can't forget is the fag that
>        waltzed in here a few months ago and wouldn't
>        keep his grimy paws to himself until I kicked
>        his ground beef ass and tossed him out of the
>        building."
>		<1991Apr15.085312.20767@news.cs.brandeis.edu> 

For the record:  This never happened.

>-> >shortly thereafter, he was laughed off the net for
>-> >quite a while.
>-> 
>-> I wasn't laughed off the net.
>
>if you want to admit that you scurried away like a
>cowardly rat, i won't argue.

But I didn't, and you still won't argue, because you can't.  (Not
coherently, at the minimum.)

>-> As a matter of fact, keeg, I wrote responses to the
>-> last round of flames on that subject, but the news
>-> server here broke down, and when I got a newsfeed
>-> from a different account, the threads were dead and
>-> some of the people were gone, so I didn't bother to
>-> post them.
>
>i think you should look in alt.newbie.lame.excuse for
>something a bit more compelling than the old broken
>news server line sonny.

Geeeee, now how did I know you'd say that?  Perhaps because I have
NEVER seen you do anything but flame "by the book", recycling old
alt.flame cliches and cranking out stock responses.

First, jimmy, news servers *do* break down from time to time, that's a
fact of life.  Second, there's a difference between this and "the old
broken news server line" which I explained and you (surprise, surprise!)
conveniently deleted.  I was able to read news, just not post (for a
while; later the news server conked out completely, but that's beside
the point), and I told you that I have the responses and even offered
to let you see them.  But as I predicted, you're not interested,
because it doesn't fit into your stereotype.

I won't say "nice try", because it wasn't.

>unless you just scurry off again.

Oh, you can *bet* I'll be gone in a few weeks.  I won't try to explain
what having a life means, because I know you won't understand.  Of all
the people I've seen in this newsgroup, you're the ONLY one I've never
seen leave for any substantial period of time.  Hey, maybe I'm being
too hard on you.  If I also asked myself what I have for a life beyond
alt.flame and had to face the fact that alt.flame *is* my life, I'd
probably be reduced to the wretched drooling, babbling idiot that you
are myself.
From: gnoer1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Geoffrey J. Noer)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists, er, USENETters
Date: 7 Sep 92 23:16:23 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College

> (My, my, my, but USENETting does improve Your command of a foreign language!)

If that's what you call your misuse of our language, fine. Tip: don't try
to impress people with big words--it's obvious you have very little
understanding of the connotations in the American vernacular.
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (exuptr@exu.ericsson.se)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Who is Kevin Darcy & why hate him so?
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:30:45 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep10.130459.25368@news.cs.brandeis.edu> bis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Bis) writes:

>The people flaming Kevin are a bunch of wimps.  At this point the
>main reason he gets flamed so much is that he's been flamed so much.
>If you flame Kevin Darcy, you're safe--you automatically have a
>busload of people on you side.  The ultra-wimps don't even come up
>with their own flames half the time, and just quote someone who
>previously flamed him.  Even Trish O'Tuama, the one who initially
>formed the bandwagon against Kevin, has long since fallen out of the
>driver's seat and is just riding along with the rest of the
>Kebbin-flaming wimps.

Who is this guy?
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "This must be Thursday.  I never could get the hang of Thursdays"
                                                       - Douglas Adams
  - Patrick Taylor                                       (Arthur Dent)
    Ericsson Network Systems
    exuptr@exu.ericsson.se                       "Don't let the .se fool you"
    or exuptr@ZGNews.Lonestar.Org, exu.exuptr@memo.ericsson.se
From: keegan@pan.crd.ge.com (James G Keegan Jr)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Tales From the Crypt
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:09:20 GMT
Reply-To: james g keegan jr <keegan@crd.ge.com>
Followup-To: alt.fan.kevin-darcy
Organization: T.S.A.K.C.
Disclaimer: i speak for myself only, unless noted otherwise

robinson@psyvax.psy.utexas.edu (John G. Robinson) writes:
-> keegan@pan.crd.ge.com (James G Keegan Jr) writes:
-> > robinson@psyvax.psy.utexas.edu (John G. Robinson) writes:
-> > -> While "openly begging for attention" would have
-> > ->been _extremely_ relevant
-> > 
-> > isn't that what i just suggested?
-> > [...]
-> > -> what I was actually going for was sarcasm.
-> > 
-> > keep working at it. don't let failures
-> 
-> [read: censorship]

[read: failures]

unlike kebbin, mr. robinson has yet to earn the
reputation of rewriting the posts he replies to,
although this was a good beginning.

-> > like this discourage you.
-> > 
-> > -> So, tell me, how long have you had these
-> > -> knight-in-shining-armor delusions?
-> > 
-> > naughty, naughty. you're supposed to do your own
-> > homework before you foolishly post.
-> 
-> From what I've seen of you, I'll take that to mean
-> that you've had this problem your entire life.

why don't you take it to mean "you're supposed to do your own
homework before you foolishly post?" after all, that's
what it said.

-> No doubt you favor the submissive role in your
-> bondage dabblings...

is this something you've been fantasizing about?

-> > get serious. from what i've seen of you, i don't
-> > think anyone needs to be rescued.
-> 
-> I am serious.  I never had to put up with you
-> before, and I would have liked to keep it that way;

then it's too bad you foolishly began to post.

-> Allow me to clue you in on a little secret: Trish is
-> _not_ going to make a road trip to jump your bones
-> simply because you come in on her behalf in a
-> side-thread in alt.flame.

of course she wouldn't. were she to do that, she'd have
much more substantial reasons.  we already know that
she's decided you're of no interest, don't we?

-> Your "friends" in the abortion debate do not value
-> you

which "friends" are those? what are their names? are
you emulating kebbin and reading their minds too?

remember when you used to post, john? you were the
target of much of the derision now directed at kebbin.
why don't you start posting again. i'll bet, if you do,
you'll make kebbin happy.



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Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: slayer@acca.nmsu.edu (Slayer)
Subject: test
Organization: New Mexico State University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 00:29:52 GMT

test

Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: Re: Theoretical book
Followup-To: alt.flame 
Summary: *WHEN* are they going to create alt.no.reading.comphrension??? 
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: If DC ever understood something, would they net collapse? 
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 23:11:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.011243.9763@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.195928.19773@news.columbia.edu>, dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis) writes:
>> 
>>    Just to start a new thread that doesn't revolve around DC and friends...
>> 
>>   How would you react if you saw this book in a store:
>> 
>>      Rape: How to commit it, and how to enjoy it
>> 
>>   And it really seemed to be a manual for committing rape. The table of
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> contents went something like this:
>> 
>> Chapter1: Victim selection
>> Chapter2: 101 rape scenarios you can use
>> Chapter3: Defending against counterattack
>> Chapter4: Get the most enjoyment out of violence
>> Chapter5: How to avoid detection and arrest
>> Chapter6: Getting caught, getting off
>> Chapter7: Humiliating and scarring your victim for life
>> Chapter8: Group activities and other advanced techniques
>> 
>>    What would be your reaction? Would you read it? Would you try to ban it?
>> 
>> DanZ
>
>Are we talking serious book that is advocating rape, or just some really sick
>humor, or a book designed to combat rape by raising awareness of the subject?

Just take a little look at the words I highlighted up there, dc, and then go
take your lithium.  I'll be in in a minute with your "big picture" book...

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From: cl128840@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Who is Kevin Darcy & why hate him so?DIR
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:03:43 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <exuptr.581.716504856@exu.ericsson.se>, exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (exuptr@exu.ericsson.se) writes:
> In article <1992Sep14.140803.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> cl128840@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>Look Pat, quoting entire articles for a one liner, a weak one liner, is pretty
>>stupid.
> [etc]
> 
>>-- no sig necessary --
>>       Aza
> 
> Go suck a teabag.

>   - Patrick Taylor

Go suck your daddy's bag.


-- no sig necessary --
       Aza
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Rights and Legal Manuevering (Was Re: democratic platform)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:46:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.040317.734@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>Then Mr. Freeman needs some serious help with his legal citation style. It is 
>not normal to say "X said ...", where X is a court opinion, and -especially-
>if X is shortened form of the case name, e.g. "Cruikshank" for _US vs. 
>Cruikshank_, or e.g. "Roe" for _Roe v. Wade_.

I've heard lawyers refer to Roe v. Wade in exactly this way. Similarly,
Scott v. Sanford is almost always refered to as "Dread Scott", and
Marbury v. Madison occausionally called just "Marbury." The use does 
imply everyone is familiar with the case. In the case of US v. 
Cruikshank, it isn't unfair to assume that someone posting about the
Second Amendment should be familiar with one of only five Supreme
Court decisions about the Second Amendment.

                                                    Frank Crary
                                                    CU Boulder

Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.fan.kevin-darcy
From: rissa@world.std.com (Patricia O Tuama)
Subject: Re: Wow (was Re: The world according to propeller-boy - part 1)
Followup-To: news.net-cops.kevin-darcy
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 08:07:51 GMT

In article <2aa65900.crud@crud.mn.org> trashman@crud.mn.org (Barry Schwartz) writes:
>Is this like a couple of years ago when Kebbin said I was "too easy"
>to respond to for him to bother, and that he was putting me in a
>killfile?

No, he did that because he thought if he told you he wasn't go-
ing to read your postings any more that you would get bored and
stop making fun of him.

>]Like who for instance?
>I suppose he means T*d.

He can't mean T*d, T*d's still here.

>	  T*d said that once or twice, after Kebbin
>had supposedly destroyed him.

Oh, come on, Barry, Kebbin has never destroyed anyone, although
I supposed you could give him credit for destroying his own cre-
dibility.  

>]Mortar and pestle?  What -are- you babbling about now, dear?
>It must have something to do with crushed peppercorns.

Nutmeg, maybe?


----------
A better question is: have I ever been WRONG on anything important in this 
forum?
					- Kevin "Duh" Darcy
					<1991Jul19.032603.14432@rotag.mi.org>
Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: bis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Bis)
Subject: Re: Who is Kevin Darcy & why hate him so?
Organization: Bis Information Services
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:49:26 GMT

In article <H.8Ns_EcPEmIg@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca> jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca writes:
>In <1992Sep10.130459.25368@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, Bis writes:
>>
>>The people flaming Kevin are a bunch of wimps.  At this point the
>>main reason he gets flamed so much is that he's been flamed so much.
>>If you flame Kevin Darcy, you're safe--you automatically have a
>>busload of people on your side.  The ultra-wimps don't even come up
>>with their own flames half the time, and just quote someone who
>>previously flamed him.  
>
>	Oh clueless one, the reason for the quotes is not lack of 
>originality, but merely to demonstrat the repetitive nature 
>of Darcy's idiocy. Sorry if it was too subtle for you to pick up
>on.

Um, no, that doesn't work so neatly, dipshit.  The quotations usually
AREN'T responses to what Kevin said (which would show that responses
to Kevin can be recycled because of "the repetitive nature of [his]
idiocy"), they're just general insults and flamage that the person
quoting thought was clever.  Sorry if this is too complicated for your
simplistic little scheme.

>>Oh, and yes, you clearly are a newbie geek, otherwise you wouldn't
>>have used all 80 fucking columns.
>>
>	And you should know, oh ex clueless-newbie-geek? Or was it
>bip, the evil flamer with the 15 line sig?

Yeah, that was great, wasn't it?  Really annoyed the HELL out of you,
didn't it?  I thought so.  *takes a bow*  :)

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