HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: llama@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: hermes, please pick up the white clue phone...
Date: 26 Jan 93 04:44:49 GMT


making me feel as if bad karma's catching up with me, 
paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes) writes:

: Sorry :( I'll try to keep the bubbles down.  I don't know about that
: subtle thing though...when I combine it with your notion that I want
: to make people cheerful it sounds like I'm gonna be manipulating
: people.  I don't want to change anyone.  

that whole statement is hopelessly tangled in self-contradiction,
hermes. the whole idea of wanting to make people cheerful means
wanting to change them. it also assumes that you do people a service
when you make them cheerful (not always true) and that you somehow
have the power to control their moods anyway. 

personally, i find few things more annoying than people who assume
that everyone needs to be cheerful all the time and who barge into my
life with a self-given mandate to "cheer me up" without even caring
enough to figure out why i'm down in the first place. balloons and
bubbles are all very nice in their place, but knowing what their place
is seems to be beyond some people.

: I just wanna be me and
: interact.  Gosh, everybody's so goal- oriented.  I would think that
: angst is better for just like floating and stuff.

wanting to cheer people up is being goal-oriented, dear. if angst is
better for just like floating and stuff, why isn't it okay for people
to just float however they feel like floating?

and later on, in another response, the paleblue creature says:

: I got the feeling the newsgroup can handle me just fine.  Questions
: are for more than just answering, mister.

did you also get the feeling you annoyed the living shit out of a lot
of people? and questions are for asking, but some kinds of questions
just don't work well here.

bleah. i hate sounding like one of the angst.police, because i've
always hated trying to say "this belongs here and that doesn't." but
really, this whole case feels different, i guess because it feels like
being overrun by teen-aged candy stripers when you've just had major
surgery.

--
deb | sine
"nothing's so loud as hearing when we lie; truth is not kind,
 and you said neither am i" -- toad the wet sprocket
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-)
Subject: Re: I Wish There Was a God
Organization: OFSA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:21:48 GMT

tullfan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Richard Thompson) wishes:

>If there were a God, then he would just destroy everything now and get it over
>with instead of dragging out this long and cruel joke--surely the joke would
>have gotten old by now and God can only get so much entertainment value by
From: nexus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Abstractor)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Anyone been shopping lately?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:38:51 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

kdyer@MtHolyoke.edu (Kristy K. Dyer) writes:

>My SO and I decided that "our thing" was to NOT celebrate Valentines Day - due
>to many past disappointments. Valentines Day is reserved for writing
>overdue letters to  family and friends. 

>And then I broke up with him...
>..but not because of that.

Let me guess: you broke because he stole your favorite pen and was
writing an apology letter to your best girl-friend ... -:)
(and of course, it all happened at 1:13:13 pm)


---
the NEXUS
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Anyone been shopping lately?
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:50:29 GMT
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA

In article <1jni6eINNemb@natinst.com> Thad_Engeling@quickmail.natinst.com (Thad Engeling) writes:

>Two years ago my friend Troy and I threw a
>St. Valentines Day Massacre party.
>We had people dressed up as gangsters and flappers, fake
>bodies strewn about, a coffin, fake tommy guns (we made them
>out of wood), blood splatters on the walls, etc. One of the
>best parties we've ever thrown.
>We were too lazy to do anything like that this year.
>Oh well.

Heheh...I like!...the perfect way of toasting and completely dissing
another horrid MegaCorpConsumerFleecingDay....heheheheh...

Kali would indeed be proud...

----Steve(makes me wistful for those dark days in the Obsidian ASHers palace)
-- 
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sokay@cyclone.mitre.org
		"Your Mind....My Playground" ---me
From: pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: hermes, please pick up the white clue phone...
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 16:25:18 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: darkpark

ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-) writes:

> llama@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) says wearily:
> 
> <lots of excellent verbage>
> 
> >or better yet, don't enlighten us. about anything. ever.
> 
> the best line of all...now all shall hold their breaths in
> anticipation. I personally think paleblue should go to talk.bizarre
> for enlightenment.
> 
> 
> 


 Heh. Imagine for a moment, if you will, that Hermes actually IS for real 
and actually IS as bubbly as he/sh(/it?) pretends...lots of wide-eyed 
confusion. "What'd I do, what'd I do?"

marlowe

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"And there she lulled me asleep,
   And there I dream'd -- Ah! woe betide!
The latest dream I ever dream'd
    On the cold hill's side."
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From: paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: logic confounding people unclear on the concept
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:06:30 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: byron.u.washington.edu

In article <C19DnE.7MM@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-) writes:
>>being honest?  Honest about what?  Should I tell you junk about my life
>>first before posting anything?  
>
>Are you calling us "junk"? In reference to posting, perhaps you should
>read this group (or ANY new group) a few weeks before leaping in. Some
>newsgroups don't require this but with some it is wise.

Shoot no!  junk is just an expression!  Sorry for jumping in, but now I'm in
and like I have some idea of what's going on.  Like no smileys!
>
>>Sorry about all the questions.  Like I said, I'm new here.
>
>Why don't you pick out someone at random and write them email and gain
>knowledge this way?
>
too late!  I'm totally entangled in posts now, but I think that's cool.
>
>>Are these questions invalid?  Is there no way that an interesting 
>>conversation could start up?
>
>Is the question "Should I be a man or a woman" invalid? 'scuse me,
>Hermes, you wouldn't happen to be blonde, would you? (grandiose
>apologies to all blondes for such a remark but the stereotype fit)

nope.
>
>>Here I am asking questions again.  :)  I'm sorry, but I don't see what
>>the big deal is.  :(
>
>This particular newsgroup is not for such questions as you have posed.
>Maybe you should write me and I can explain it in more detail and not
>waste bandwidth here.
>
I got the feeling the newsgroup can handle me just fine.  Questions are for
more than just answering, mister.
>
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From: w0318@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Horribly formed haiku and inquiry
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:15:50 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

I'm confused
Can somebody help to clear some confusion away
From my fog besoil'd brain?

Please


What is alt.angst?
Why are you all aengstig?
Is it because life is a confusing mess of disjoint and hellish events?

Answer me if you'd like....



Ta ta for now

Nova

W0318@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU
From: pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: stuff
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 12:34:42 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: darkpark

> Say WHAT? Death is NOTHING!!! LIFE is where your problems lie. I hold
> with my original diagnosis... decide the PAST has nothing to do with
> the present YOU and that "hole" fades.

 Yeah, but how can you neatly reconcile your past without UTTERLY cutting 
yourself off from it?

 A friend of mine went to live across the country, and though he 
eventually returned, the move was meant to be permanent. During this 
time, mutual friends told me how shocked they were that he'd go somewhere 
like that where he has no friend or family, where he's never been before. 
I tried to explain to them the benefits -- a clean break with all of the 
accumilated bullshit, a chance to start utterly from scratch, but they 
just didn't understand.

 I'd like to do that sometime, wish I had the emotional and financial 
strength to flush it all down and put roots down in a place where no 
one's every heard of me. Not that my past is so terribly monstrous, mind 
you, but the idea of leaving an old life behind has a very strong 
attraction.

 In any event, back to the point; how is what you advocate possible? 
Hell, I have a string of old friends and girlfriends and people I've know 
trailing behind me; my relationship with these people, for the most part, 
ended painfully and violently, and I don't care to see or think of them 
again. Problem is, I keep bumping into them. The past, it seems, will not 
die.

marlowe

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"And there she lulled me asleep,
   And there I dream'd -- Ah! woe betide!
The latest dream I ever dream'd
    On the cold hill's side."
                  -John Keats
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Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: tullfan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Richard Thompson)
Subject: My aren't we grouchy
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 06:17:12 GMT

In article <86603@ut-emx.uucp> llama@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes:
>on the off chance that the hermes/paleblue creature is for real and
>not just a random net idiot:
>
>posters to alt.angst frequently argue about the nature of angst, and
>although some points of disagreement seem permanent, most people agree
>that angst is what you feel in response to the realization that life
>sucks and really doesn't have any great design behind it. people write
>here about the echoes of this futility in their lives, about the pain
>of fighting this void, about why and how they manage to find (or
>create) meaning in their lives anyway.
>
>some of the stuff that's written here is deeply personal; some of it
>tends more toward the philosophical/analytical. sometimes people just
>get silly, blow off a little tension. but most of the people who hang
>out here take the group seriously and respect the intent behind the
>posts (even if they flame the posters).
>
>so along comes someone who's either an airhead or a clever imitation
>of one, giggling and chirping and spreading little sunshine smiles
>around everywhere, with an "ain't i cute?" attitude (complete with
>idiotic smileys). it's *damned* annoying -- i mean, if someone tells
>you his dog just got smooshed by a car, are you going to grab his
>hands and say "oh, goodie! let's go skip through the park and pick
>wildflowers! :)" that's verging on grounds for justifiable homicide.
>at the very least, it indicates a breathtaking lack of sensitivity. to
>persist in this behavior after being *told* it's annoying... sheesh.
>
>so either you're a jerk who thinks you're being cute, or you're an
>insensitive clod, or you're terminally clueless. care to enlighten us?
>
>--
>sine | deb
>or better yet, don't enlighten us. about anything. ever.

YIPES

Just cuz the world is going to end and everyone is going to die and anything
we do while we're here is just futile and a waste of time/energy doesn't mean
ya have to be grouchy about it...

-- 
"For I am a Bear of Very Little Brain,
     and big words Bother me."
	-Winnie-the-Pooh
From: paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: the angst.cops ride again?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 17:55:20 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: byron.u.washington.edu

In article <C1J8Gp.1xJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Thomas A. Dennis) writes:
>>ok, I'd like to just clear something up.  In this post and another post, 
>>this person sine, who I think is really cool btw, says that I want to 
>>cheer everybody up.  But it's not like that.  I just meant "cheer up" as
>>a supportive thing.  It was just my way of saying "I think you're cool" but
>>now that I've gotten responses and stuff, I'll try to "I think you're cool"
>>when that's what I mean instead of "cheer up!" which really works in other
>>groups where happy isn't such a big issue.  so, sorry and I hope all this
>>junk washes under the bridge!
>
>ObGrammarClue:  "Cheer up" does not translate into "I think you're cool", under
>any circumstances.  "Cheer up" is an order.  Many people do not like being 
>ordered around by others, especially if the self-appointed martinet doesn't 
>seem to have any redeeming qualities.
>
>Any questions?
>
Yes, my question is this:  Have you looked up the word "idiom" lately?

And make sure you check ALL the definitions!

-Hermes
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Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: fsquared@eff.org (Fawn Fitter)
Subject: glad for once to be in the wrong
Originator: fsquared@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:02:53 GMT

First of all, thanks for the support when I posted what I did about finding
out some potentially awful things about my SO.

Second, I just want to say that I was totally wrong about all of it. I don't
want to go into too much detail, because I don't want to admit publicly the
extent to which I overreacted. Let's just say that I should have expected 
something like this from a former angry-young-man who majored in hacks at 
MIT. 

Believe me, if he hadn't been able to give me a plausible explanation, I
would have been out the door so fast I'd have left little *whoosh* lines
like you see in cartoons. I don't need another version of my father in my
life.

Anyway, it's okay now. Angst levels back to normal (which, granted, is
relative, but this is alt.angst).
From: 96rpg@williams.edu (the Straw Dogs)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: momentarily angst-free...
Date: 23 Jan 1993 18:58:03 GMT
Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbird.cc.williams.edu

In article <1993Jan22.223709.16752@linus.mitre.org> sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes:
>Spotted in copious quantities this week:
>Stretch limos and other buorge-mobiles sporting them damn fine "32nd
>Presidential Inauguration ---A festival for the people, an American
>Reunion" license plate holders with all sorts of PC and left-leaning
>bumperstickers adorning their shiny chrome bumpers. Thats *42nd* folks!!!

historical note: the thirtysecond was none other than the big guy, fdr
himself. which makes them limos all the more hilarious.

>Also continuing unabated, the harassment and mass "relocations" of 
>DCs indigent(read homeless) population to AnyWhereButOnTheRouteBillWill
>Travel. Its a party for *ALL* America, yeah, thats the ticket...

much as i hate to admit it, that point was made by rush limbaugh at
the democratic national convention, and he was right (gag 'n'
sputter).

>Ya just gotta love it, pure, unadulterated political shenanigans,
>DC style!!! :) 

no smiley. at least hermes got it.

----
straw dog
From:  (Largely Stressed)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Stress = Harmony
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:39:22 GMT
Reply-To: cs92bbm@brunel.ac.uk
Organization: Mind spin


I must face it, I'm stressed virtually every moment of my life. I feel
that I thrive on stress (if it wasn't there, I would become very bored
very quickly). I don't know why I feel under so much pressure, as it is
from no one person in particular. However, anything I do in my life, I
end up with a head stress (feels a bit like when thunder is in the air).
Despite my stress, I often feel totally at ease with myself - which is
really strange for me. I an emotionalist too, which cannot help things
(although I think people that deal with emotions tend to be rather
stressed anyway). I must say I have had a very stressful relationship
over the last year (coupled with exams followed by university etc). We
are still together, but I become very paranoid (because I am 300 miles
away from her during term time. It is not that I don't trust her or
anything like that, simply that I wonder if she can cope with me. I
really do put immense strain on her through my deep examination of my
emotions (she says I shouldn't put myself down - but I usually do this
to justify my attitude). I am seeing her this weekend (as it is my
birthday - hbdtm), however I have a funeral to go to this Friday,
which will not put me in the best frame of mind for the weekend. (I am
usually quite good - but soemtimes I can have really bad periods when I
tend to make others feel guilty about not treating me as I want). I
suppose that I am a manipulator when it comes down to it (but I do it in
probably the worst manner as other people usually feel guilty).

I have been reading this group for 6 months now, and this is just about
the first posting I have sent (I am observer too you see, I gain alot of
experience by observing others and their problems). Hmm - dodgy character
you are all saying. Well, I am not a nasty individual, just a stressed
out confused one...

Take care, stressed
From: eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com (Erik Radmall)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: right place?
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:39:00 GMT
Reply-To: eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation

In article 1joav1INNm4f@cuda.add.itg.ti.com, lydia@tarsal.dsg.ti.com () writes:
>
>is this the place you write if your heart has been ripped out, put in a
>vise, squeezed dry & chopped into a million pieces?

If it includes it also be pureed in a blender, yes.

---
Erik Radmall -- eradm.wbst845e@xerox.com
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: kovarik@martha.utcc.utk.edu (StMeechThePanatela)
Subject: Re: tick.. tick.. tick..
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:44:55 GMT

In article <1k0qvnINN39h@epic.truevision.com> steve@estel.uindy.edu writes:
>
>We are signing the final divorce decree tomorrow. 
>
>There's not a damn thing in the world to do about it.
>
>Did you ever feel like you were watching your life end in slow motion?
>
>--------------------------< cut here >----------------------------
>Steve Spicklemire (317) 788-3313             steve@estel.uindy.edu
>Dept of Mathematics and Physics	                 NeXTmail Welcome!
>1400 East Hanna Avenue, 46227

Come to Oak Ridge, Tennessee.  You'd fit right in.

					M


Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: tullfan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Richard Thompson)
Subject: Re: My aren't we grouchy
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 21:14:24 GMT

In article <zlsiida.845@fs1.mcc.ac.uk> zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.061712.17942@leland.Stanford.EDU> tullfan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Richard Thompson) writes:
>
>>Just cuz the world is going to end and everyone is going to die and anything
>>we do while we're here is just futile and a waste of time/energy doesn't mean
>>ya have to be grouchy about it...
>
>Look I've made a point of being grouchy for the last 25 years and I don't 
>intend to stop now, it's been a perfectly adequate way of dealing with this 
>godforsaken pit of a planet.  OK?
>

i hope you were being as sarcastic with this as i was when i made the original
comment!

rich.
-- 
"For I am a Bear of Very Little Brain,
     and big words Bother me."
	-Winnie-the-Pooh
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (obi-wan kenobi)
Subject: useless
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 23:50:26 GMT


in my mind counting on that "chance" encounter that i'd gone through a
million times in my head....

and so, i don't see Her, the inevitable Her, but I see Her BOYFRIEND.

and Her BOYFRIEND kisses Her, even though Everybody thought they'd
broken up.  and she is happy.  maybe even Happy.  yes, she's Happy
now.  

and I pass by Her and *NOONE* notices me..me...and I question my own
existance, let alone the *relevance* of existance which can't be
assumed for a second.

and then i come home, and morrissey mocks me, but it's All-There-Is
(tm). 

and i'm broke and my car is out of gas and it's too cold to go for a
walk.  

guess i'll go eat worms and i say that in All seriousness.

followups to alt.suicide.yes.no.maybe, distribution nowhere.

| Are you absolutely sure that you want to do this? [ny] 
| 
| Prepared goodbye-note to include [none]:

but no, suicide's too easy an escape for myself.

living is the ultimate suicide.

yeah.

perpetual, unforgiving, meta-escapism.

i should cry now, but my stone heart just laughs at me, so i can't.

well, fuck.

C Cancel an article, if yours.

--

    ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu	        FutureCulture:  In/f0rmation
    ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com		future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: 96cat@williams.edu (Hobbes)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: bisexual angst
Date: 26 Jan 1993 06:36:46 GMT
Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbird.cc.williams.edu
Summary: i can't get no

angsting:
 
I'm bisexual.  No problems with that per se; my family is reasonably
with it (although I'm not sure my parents will ever understand), and I'm
secure with my sexuality and all that jazz.  But.
 
Big "but" there.
 
Every woman I have interest in is taken!!!!  Or furiously
non-committed.  (This is a phenomenon to ponder on itself -- the women who are
committed to *not* being in relationships, etc.)  All the fascinating women are
already involved with equally fascinating men.  Which leads me right to the
second problem.
 
All the men I are straight and unavailable.  Especially my roomie... a
beautiful man (ah!) who is unfortunately *very* straight and *very*
committed to an equally beautiful woman.
 
And so I am relegated to *observation*.  Or every time I *do* get
involved I just become horribly bored after a short period of time.
The old deal of "running out of things to say."  This just *kills*
relationships in no time at all.
 
Aargh.  I think I'll go get drunk and screw nobody.

Anybody else have this problem?