From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Subject: Re: aceptable actions?  (something worse than photographers
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:06:40 GMT

In article <6878@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> tjw+@pitt.edu writes:
>In article <462@thunder.LakeheadU.Ca>, djserian@flash.LakeheadU.Ca (Reincarnation of Elvis) writes:
>> While on vacation in Vancouver I went to Wreck Beach... a CO beach on the West
>> Coast of Canada.... 
>> Does anyone else have any similar stories... what can be done to take care of
>> these people?

>I met a young couple from Vancover while at Grand Lido who told me that they
>were regulars at Wreck Beach.  Unfortunately, they did speak of a number of
>people who engage in the behavior that you speak.  Specifically, they
>mentioned a male-female couple who kept playing with "his" erection all day
>in an attempt to keep him hard.
>
>It certainly doesn't make for good PR for the beach.  But I got the feeling
>that this is the exception rather than the rule.

It is *definitely* the exception rather than the rule.  I've been a frequent
visitor to Wreck for about 8 or 9 years and have only seen a few intances
of what you two describe (and nothing as extreme as the way you describe
it.)  OTOH, it isn't uncommon to see a guy flaunting an erection (without
masterbating) but this is still only about one person out of a thousand.

None of this is a big issue with the beach users, the police, or the media.
The "problem issue" is the availability of drugs and alcohol.

How do you deal with these men (the masterbators and/or gawkers)?
If they aren't being too offensive most people just ignore them---Vancouver
tends tto be a pretty "live and let live" city.  (We might not like it.
We might grumble about it.  But we'll try like hell to not get involved.)

A few things that do tend to work on the voyeur types (but not the
exhibitionists) are:
 - stare at them.  most of them don't want to be noticed---especially by
   a guy.  This gets rid of quite a few of them.  They get nervous and
   leave.
 - Block their view.  Chances are they've positioned themselves with a
   good view of some nearby women.  Having a man sit in between will 
   often encourage them to go and find another location.
 - A couple of times when those methods didn't work and some women
   were visibly annoyed, I went over and sat and chatted with them for
   a while until the jerk left.  (But don't expect every woman to
   appreciate this :-)
 - Talk to the guy.  I've never done this, but have watched other people
   do this.  It usually makes the guy really uncomfortable.
 - "Point and laugh" has been suggested on occasion.  I think this would
   be most effective if done by the women being stared at.

Anecdote:  I know the woman involved in this story but have never asked
her about it; I heard it from someone else who witnessed it.  It seems
that one day there was a guy walking around for several hours with an
erection.  Even smimming in the cold ocean did nothing to wilt it.
After the first couple of hours people started making sarcastic comments
but the guy stayed.  Finally this woman (young and good looking) went over
and sat down beside this guy and said "This is your first time at the
beach, isn't it?....Well, I think you've had enough for today.  Don't you?"
Then she got up and walked away.  The guy left about 5 minutes later.

Cheers. Bill.
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Bill Arnett                            Internet: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca
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