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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 92 21:47:12 GMT
From:         Ned Freed <NED@SIGURD.INNOSOFT.COM>
Subject:      RE: Spontaneous change to MM mail delivery
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

First of all, you're correct in saying that the creation of the files
MAIL.TXT and $HDRS$MAIL.TXT were responsible for PMDF starting to use Multinet
MM to deliver to your account. Someone or something must have created these
files; PMDF never creates Multinet MM files of this sort for you.

I have no idea who or what created the files. All it takes is someone
accidentally running Multinet MM and saying YES to the first question it
asks. It is very unfortunate that this is all it takes to switch to Multinet
MM but that's the way TGV chose to do it. There's nothing we can do about it.

                                Ned
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 92 15:40:50 GMT
From:         Gerson H Cohen <GHC@VGER.NIDDK.NIH.GOV>
Subject:      Problem with Mailserv
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

Being a long term user of Mailserv, from before it was a supported
channel within PMDF, I had pretty much ignored the various postings
about problems/solutions that have appeared, not realizing that I
was having the same.  I was thrown a bit to receive the following
in response to a send/list:

> You are not authorized to obtain the contents of list SADUG-L
> Use the HELP command to get a list of legal MAILSERV commands.

Now I place myself at the mercy of the list asking someone to
get me over this hump and other similar problems that you think
I might encounter.  [I do seem to be able to sub, unsub and
retrieve files.]

Thanks,

Gerson Cohen

-
Dr Gerson H Cohen
National Institutes of Health
Bldg 2, Room 312
Bethesda, MD  20892
'Phone: (301)496-4295
Internet: ghc@vger.niddk.nih.gov
BITNet:   ghc@nihklmb
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Date:         Sun, 3 Jan 93 20:30:48 GMT
From:         "Daniel C. Newman" <DAN@INNOSOFT.COM>
Subject:      RE: POP server and All-in-1 Mail...
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

> A while back we switched from VMS mail to All-in-1 mail with PMDF-MR, etc. We
> like the X-windows interface and the multi-part capability.
>
> However, it would be good to be able to use Eudora from home to get mail over
> the weekend.  When we still ran VMS mail this was not a problem since the
> Multinet POP server linked to the VMS-mail for each user.
>
> Will the PMDF POP product allow you to get mail from an All-in-1 mail account?
> If not, is there a solution possible? probable? desirable?

Access to VMS MAIL mail boxes is made possible by the documented callable MAIL
interface (for which you need to use some undocumented item codes to get any
performance).  Until DEC make available a callable interface to ALL-IN-1 IOS,
MailWorks (a.k.a. A1MAIL), or other Message Router mail boxes, we cannot even
consider the feasibility of server access to those mail boxes.

Now, DEC does sell, at very reasonable prices, Macintosh and PC clients which
can access your MailWorks mail boxes.

Dan
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 92 15:06:29 GMT
From:         Bob Tinkelman <bob@CAMB.COM>
Subject:      Options for dealing with Mail-11 delivery errors
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

This is a followup to my previous posting regarding problems with
deliveries to the local channel failing due to one of the various
problems with VMSmail and/or the Mail-11 protocol.

We have the following situation.  We used to have a set of large
mailing list (some with several hundred entries).  These used to be
normal VMSmail distribution lists.  We've changed them to be PMDF
lists.  We're having an unanticipated problem which may cause us to
revert back, something I'd prefer not to do.

There have always been occasional problems with these lists. However,
the impact has changed since the changeover.

Once, one list member on another node forwarded his mail to his
secretary, who was on some of the same lists.  This caused mail to
hang when sending to the list.  There have been other problems,
probably not all caused by exactly the same situations.

The following is my analysis/guess at our current situation.  When a
problem like the above occured before, the sender would be using MAIL
interactively, MAIL would hang, and the user would eventually ^C.  At
that point he/she would figure that the mail had been actually sent,
possibly noticing his/her own delivery had arrived, and would just go
on about his/her business.

Now, when the same situation occurs, the PMDF batch job is running
mail/protocol=in_mailshr and it hangs.  Either
   (1) PMDF recognizes the problem and aborts the delivery, or
   (2) the job hangs forever.
[I'm not sure how often the first occurs.  I've seen the second.]

Following the second scenario, eventually I notice the hung batch job
and abort it.  If I forget to rename the problem queue entry, the
situation repeats, and each time the message is delivered to the list.
So people get multiple copies of the message.  I suspect that the
first case is happening also based on the number of cases of people
reporting receiving many copies of the same message.

My first question:  Is my guess correct that PMDF will time out in
certain cases (I think this is what you [Ned] posted in response to my
first question) and treat the delivery as a `temporary failure',
requeuing it for later?

My second question:  If that's the case, would it make sense for PMDF
to provide an option for treating this case differently?  At our site
we'd prefer to get Postmaster involvement ASAP in cases like this,
rather than waiting for user complaints about multiple deliveries.

And my third question:  Short of convincing the other VMS systems to
run PMDF, are there any suggestions as to how we can deal with this,
short of going back to VMSmail distibution lists?
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Date:         Fri, 25 Dec 92 00:52:16 GMT
From:         "UF-IFAS Computer Network" <JIS@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      urgent - license problem
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l


I have just upgraded pmdf from v4.0 to v4.1 and got following license problem:

$ set def pmdf_root:[table]
$ pmdf cnbuild
%SYSTEM-F-NOLICENSE, operation requires software license

$ license list/full pmdf
Use CTRL/Z to exit, PF3-PF4 for Previous-Next Screen and Arrow Keys to scroll.
 License Management Facility

 License Database File:       SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]CAMPUSWIDE_SW_LICENSE_GRANT.LDB
 Created on:                  19-DEC-1991
 Created by user:             RIS
 LMF Version:                 V1.0

 -----------------------------------
 Issuer:                      INNOSOFT
 Authorization:               080692-15
 Product Name:                PMDF
 Producer:                    INNOSOFT
 Units:                       50
 Version:                     0.0
 Release Date:                30-JUN-1993
 PAK Termination Date:        (none)
 Availability:                0
 Activity:                     000000001
 Options:
 Product Token:               3240
 Hardware ID:

 Revision Level:              1

$ license load pmdf
%LICENSE-W-ALREADYLOADED, INNOSOFT PMDF has already been loaded


What's the problem?  I have even re-registered the license, but that
didn't help.

Thanks,
jennifer
From: DMPM@DUKEMC.BITNET (James Dryfoos- Postmaster)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l
Subject: Use of reverse database and affect on requesting Bitnet files.
Date: 3 Jan 93 19:18:45 GMT
Organization: Duke University Medical Center, Durham NC, USA
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We have been reverse mapping all mail through our PMDF node for sometime now.
One side affect I noticed was that mail going out our Bitnet link to listservs
would result in the listserv sending a file (sometimes mail) back to the
sending ID (as we are directly on the Bitnet).  When the file arrives, JNET
sees that this user does not exist on the local system and sends the file to
Postmaster (as defined in the JNET startup).  I have written a simple DCL
program that grabs all files in the postmaster area, looks to whom each was
really sent, and forwards them on as an e-mail message.

Is anyone else doing anything like this?
Are there any plans for PMDF to support this?
I have not played with JNET's API stuff, but am sure something that is less of
a hack can be done.  Anyone do this?

I have not even contemplating supporting anything but text files (have not
needed to so far).  This might be an interesting thing for PMDF to do.  It
coulld take the incoming files and put them into Mime parts?

As an example, user X on system Y would normally have a return address
of x%y@dukemc, but we rewrite it do standard_id@dukemc and send it out.
A listserv sends back directly to standard_id@dukemc.  For mail this works out
fine as a corresponding alias of standard_id@dukemc gets rewritten to x%y.
However, incoming Bitnet files never get touched by PMDF.  As there is no VMS
account standard_id on our system. the file is delivered to postmaster.


Thanks in advance,

--Jim

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     James D. Dryfoos                   |  E-Mail:
     Medical Center Information Systems |    dryfo001@mc.duke.edu
     Duke University Medical Center     |    dryfo001@dukemc.bitnet
     Box 3900 DUMC                      |  (919) 286-6391 - Office
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 92 22:55:02 GMT
From:         "James Dryfoos- Postmaster" <DMPM@DUKEMC.BITNET>
Subject:      How are people implementing the CC:Mail channel . . .
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

We are looking at getting a CC:Mail site license for supporting PCs and Macs.
We are considering using either their SMTP gateway (there is no charge) or
using PMDF (which we already have).  What I am interested in is the details
of how people have attached their CC:Mail post offices to the CC:Mail channel
in PMDF.  Did you use NFS, Netware for VSM ...?

We are using UCX 2.0 on the PMDF system so are considering using PC-NFS on a PC
which will run the export/import.  How are others doing this?  How are you
running the export/import procedures?  Bat jobs?

Any feedback and how well it works would be appreciated.
Examples of any reqrite rules used would be nice.
We like to use aliases and reverse maps to make everyone appear to be
user@mc.duke.edu even though they may xxx%node@mc.duke.edu or worse.
How does this affect things?

Has anyone tried CC:Mail's SMTP gateway?  How well or bad does it work.

Thanks in advance,

-Jim


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     James D. Dryfoos                   |  E-Mail:
     Medical Center Information Systems |    dryfo001@mc.duke.edu
     Duke University Medical Center     |    dryfo001@dukemc.bitnet
     Box 3900 DUMC                      |  (919) 286-6391 - Office
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Date:         Fri, 25 Dec 92 01:10:46 GMT
From:         "Daniel C. Newman" <DAN@INNOSOFT.COM>
Subject:      RE: mail.delivery question
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

> We are setting up a 'special distribution list' (only 8 users, so far) on
> our Vax; a special account (eg: DISTRIBUTOR) has got a mail.delivery file
> as the following:
>
> !from to subj | when action  param.     ! note
> !=======================================================
> *     *   *     A    J       "FAST"     ! submit this proc. on queue FAST
> *     *   *     A    V                  ! deliver a copy of the message
> *     *   *     A    L                  ! save the batch log
> *     *   *undeliver*  T   Q            ! don't forward to the list if this
>                                         ! message is a warning of problems
>                                         ! occurred during delivery
> *     *   *     A    F ""in%""""userA@vax.domain.it"""""   ! send to userA
> *     *   *     A    F ""in%""""userB@vm.domain.de"""""    ! send to userB
> etc.
>
> Each user, from different sites in Europe, send message to the DISTRIBUTOR
> and then the message is forwarded to the rest of the list; any suggestion
> to admit only the registered users having access to this service ? (We
> would like to filter 'occasionaly' message received by DISTRIBUTOR, e.g.
> advertisement, greetings ecc.)

Your best bet would be to not use DELIVER and instead set up a mailing list in
accord with Section 3.3.2.2 of the V4.1 PMDF System Manager's Guide and then
use the special "named parameters" to control access to that list.  These
parameters are described in Section 3.3.2.2.1 of the online documentation.
(They were not documented in time to make it into the printed manuals.)  If you
cannot use Bookreader, then you can look at the documentation sources: search
for the string "named parameters" in the file
PMDF_ROOT:[DOC]GUIDE_COMPONENTS.SDML.

If you set up a mailing list this way, then you might also consider using the
mail/list server supplied with PMDF V4.1 to manage the list.  In a separate
messge I will send you information on how to use all of its access control
mechanisms to manage the list.

If you wish to stick with DELIVER, then you need to set up a command procedure
to be run by DELIVER with an E action.  This command procedure would then check
the From: address of a potential submission against the list of registered
users and then only submit the posting if a match is found.  To submit the
posting use the command

 $ PMDF SEND/HEADER/BLANK 'MESSAGE_HEADER','MESSAGE_FILE' "userA@vax.domain.it"

Dan
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Date:         Fri, 25 Dec 92 02:23:15 GMT
From:         "Kevin V. Carosso" <KVC@SUMMER.INNOSOFT.COM>
Subject:      RE: Relegating BitNet to 2nd-class transport
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

> We currently run with psulias.bitnet as our local host alias; we have both JNE
   T
> for BITNET access and Multinet for SMTP/Internet access.  We've been asked to
> combine with all other nodes within the university and use Internet, not
> BitNet, as the preferred interface.  That is, change our local host alias to
> psulias.psu.edu, but then some....  If a node is not suffixed by a domain
> specification, we want it to default to .psu.edu, making it required that any
> BitNet Email have the pseudo-domain specification of .BITNET on it in order to
> not be mapped to a local (and probably non-existant) Penn State node.
>
> What's the simplest way to do this?  What of the things we're doing now (e.g.,
> processing Bitnet XMAILER.NAMES files every month, would change?

Nothing special.  If you run CONFIGURE.COM and tell it you are on Internet and
BITNET and use your Internet hostname for the official local host then this is
exactly the configuration you will get.  After all, nothing unusual here, this
is what most Internet+BITNET sites want.

CONFIGURE also asks if you want a default domain appended to TCP/IP host names
which can make shortform names default to .PSU.EDU.  Finally, PMDF knows about
all BITNET nodes and will not confuse them with local shortform host names.

Both the HOST and HOST.BITNET forms will continue to work.  This is part of
the reason why PMDF uses XMAILER.NAMES.  If you want to make .BITNET required
so that USER@HOST can never be directed to a BITNET host even if there
is one named "HOST" then you can easily do that as well (but it isn't the
default).  To do this, run CONFIGURE, answer the questions as I outlined
above (taking the defaults to nearly all questions will get you what you're
looking for) but say "NO" when it asks if BITNET_DOMAINS should be run "now".
Once CONFIGURE finishes, edit PMDF_ROOT:[TABLE]BITNET_DOMAINS_DRIVER.COM and
add a parameter setting:

    $ BITNET_LOCAL_CHANNELS == "bit_local/bit_gateway"

This makes BITNET shortform names valid only on the channels that handle
incoming BITNET messages, where shortform names must be recognized.
Messages originating on any other channel will require the .BITNET suffix.

        /Kevin Carosso
         Innosoft

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From:         Hillel Arkin <CVRARHI@TECHNION.BITNET>
Subject:      Manpower in the field of plumbing engineering

I am conducting a preliminary research on manpower demands in the field
of plumbing engineering, in Israel.  The aim of this study is do define
the needs for training at various levels (engineering, technicians,
workers etc.) in this field.  The research will be in the form of
questionaries (open, frontal).

I would appreciate any assistance in the following issues:

1. Information about similar questionaries, in other fields of manpower
   demand:  Type of questions; topicxs coverred; personal to which the
   questionaries should be adressed, etc.

2. Publications in relevant fields (manpower demands; questionaries;
   power demand in the field of plumbing eng.; etc).

   I thank in advance to anybody that mey provide help.


                                               Dr. H. Arkin
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From:         Sharon Sasse <SHARON@LMUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      No subject

Subscribe ASHE
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From:         RDE@ACC.RWU.EDU
Subject:      Information sought

To computer center staff at colleges & universities:

We at Roger Williams University are considering requiring students
to purchase (or perhaps lease) a personal computer. The potential
benefits are many, as are the potential problems. I am trying to
contact computer centers at institutions that presently require
some or all students to have a computer. I have a brief (12
question) survey that I can mail to you directly if you are willing
to give me a few minutes of your time. Please respond directly to

rde@acc.rwu.edu

Rolland Everitt, Director of Academic Computing
Roger Williams University
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From:         "David L. Arnold" <DLARNO01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      Of the Season

Research Administration
Phone: 588-8363
  Best wishes to everyone for the joy of the holiday season and a prosperous
and satisfying new year. DA.
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 08:04:39 CST
Reply-To:     Fred Ullrich <FULLRICH@UNMCVM.BITNET>
From:         Fred Ullrich <FULLRICH@UNMCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Map of a City

I need to draw a map of a city, specifically Omaha, Nebraska.  At this point,
I only need to show census tracts although at some point in the future I may
have to need to drop down to block groups.  I have MapInfo, a PC-based
package that will draw all sorts of nifty city maps like I need.  But the
size and scope of the data files that I need to load into the software makes
this a less-than-convenient software solution.  Ideally, I would like to be
able to do all my 'stuff' with SAS on my mainframe or workstation - hence
the need for a way to draw a map of the city.

I would appreciate any clues on how to obtain and/or produce such a
detailed map of the city.  Thanks in advance.

Fred Ullrich     <FULLRICH@UNMCVM>
Dept. of Prev. and Societal Medicine
University of Nebraska Medical Center
Omaha, NE 68198-4350

"The geographical center of the cultural universe"
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Date:         Sun, 20 Dec 1992 18:13:55 -0900
Reply-To:     "ACAD2A::AFDGF" <AFDGF@ALASKA.BITNET>
From:         DENNIS G FISHER <AFDGF@ALASKA.BITNET>
Subject:      For Berkeley Users Only

I had someone send me a message from the sas-l list on a more
personal request about the UAA bookstore and I lost the message.
If that person would resend the message, I think I can take care
of the request.  Sorry to take up space with a non-SAS message.
Dennis Fisher
Center for Alcohol and Addiction Studies
University of Alaska Anchorage
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Reply-To:     Steve Marcus <SCM@HARVARDA.BITNET>
From:         Steve Marcus <SCM@HARVARDA.BITNET>
Subject:      sas dataset to 80 col ascii

does anyone have any clever ideas about how to convert a relatively
large (i.e. 1000+ vars) data set to an efficiently sized 80
column ascii file. i need to do this to make a public access
file available for a funding agency.

as always, all ideas are welcome.

thanks in advance
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From:         annfow <afowler@CCLINK.FHCRC.ORG>
Subject:      SAS date informats
Comments: To: sas-l@uga.bitnet

          I have an ascii file that has dates for which I've not been
          able to find informats when reading it. One of the dates is
          in the form mmddyyyy eg. 06231984.  The other one is in the
          form mmyy eg. 0790.  I'm using PC SAS 6.04 but I've to admit
          that my manuals are for 6.03.  Any quick help will be much
          appreciated.
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