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From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: "ex" smokers of MJ
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 16:55:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.051136.25026@u.washington.edu> lamontg@stein.u.wash
ngton.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:
>Yeah, it tends to make me zone and get tired, and also makes me kind of
>dysphoric.  I therefore don't tend to do it alot.  Its just my reaction
>to MJ.
>
>-- 
>Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
>  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
>                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson



 That's funny. Does the same thing to me. Always has. I could never
understand the big deal made about it. Once I did have a really awesome
psychedelic experience with mj, but I'm sure it had DMT on it, so the mj
had little to do with it. ANyway, it irritates my lungs and I have asthma,
so that's not a good thing. (I don't care WHAT anyone says about mj
helpinbg astham. It never did a thing for mine...)

St. Anthony

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From: fduross@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (frank duross)
Subject: Re: "ex" smokers of MJ
Originator: fduross@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:50:36 GMT

From article <1992Nov14.190150.19034@mtu.edu>, by kfseefel@mtu.edu (KURT F. SEEFELDT):
> In article <1992Nov14.114618.29569@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mleayr@nyx.cs.du.edu (matthew leayr) writes:
>>
>>     I know several people who used to smoke large amounts of marijuana
>>but no longer touch it because it "freaks them out too much" or they "cant
>>handle it". 
>>Are there others out there who used to use grass, but no longer do for
>>these or similar reasons??
>>
>> [story of ex-smoker]
> 
> I used to smoke alot when I was in High School and a Freshman. Now,

Similar story here, I smoked for about a year untill my junior year of high
and then I just quit.  I guess it just got boring.  I feel like I outgrew it
sort of a phase.  Now the majority of my friends are smokers, and I have 
absolutely no urge to start again.
-- 
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fduross@moose.uvm.edu		 but ourselves can free our minds.'
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From: dag@col.hp.com (David Geiser)
Subject: Re: Brands of LSD
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:07:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

> >time. If someone can further educate me, I'd love it. Especially since 
> >there are more vectors than paper blotter for LSD. Something called gels,
> >or window panes, as I recall...they are like little pieces of plastic that
> >allegedly contain LSD. Anyone?

Exactly.  "Window Pane"
-- 

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From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.crypt
Subject: Re: Is WOSD being won?
Date: 18 Nov 92 04:19:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov18.041958.21190
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'

>> Mike Nemeth posts a canard that we are losing the war on drugs, as
>> support for his anti-enforcement position. That is simply untrue.
>> Quoting from "Devaluing of America--The Fight for Our Culture and Our
>> Children" by William J. Bennett, p.149:

Like I'd give any statistic that Bennett cited an ounce of credit.  He's
the one that took the citation on *any* level of pre-natal exposure to
*any* drug and claimed it was equivalent to the number of crack babies
born in the US.  Unless he gives specific references all these stats
I'd consider them worthless... 

lies, damn lies, and statistics...
 
>> "The number of current drug users FELL from 23 million to 12.9 million--a
>> drop of 44 percent--between 1985 and 1990.

Wonder where he pulled this stat from....  plus-minus 10 million is about
the general level of error for these kinds of stats  ("lets see, we pull
the *highest* estimate from 1985, and the *lowest* estimate from 1990, yeah
thats the ticket"). 

>> In 1985 there were 5.8 million current users of cocaine: five years later
>> that number was cut down to 1.6 million.

So, they're all using heroin or acid now....

>> From 1988 to 1990 there was a 26 percent decrease in the number of
>> cocaine-related emergency room visits.

According to NIDA stats this is bullshit.  There was a brief downward
decline in 1990 (I think that was the year) of a fraction of a percent
and then it resumed skyrocketing like it has through all of the 80's.
Bennett is smoking something harsh.

>> Marijuana use is at its lowest points since 1972.

Not surprising.  The population is aging QED there should be less
marijuana users.

>> Drug rehabilitation centers are half-full and many are closing.

This is total bullshit.  (unless they're half-full due to regs and closing
due to underfunding).

[...blah, blah, blah...]

>> We're winning, folks, despite the propaganda of people like Nemeth.

Look at the propaganda spewing from your own source first.

Try reading something like "The Case for Legalizing Drugs" which has
referenced stats.

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
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From: vetter@mtu.edu (STEVEN J. VETTER)
Subject: Re: Acid Music (sorry to net.vets)
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:52:02 GMT


  The song "25 o-clock" on the Dukes of the Stratosfear album is 
  really cool when tripped out, especially if your using nitrous.
  Also on that album, there are short little segments of a little 
  English girl saying really strange things which sounds really 
  trippy.

  vetter@mtu.edu

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From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (eyeballs eyeballs eyeballs)
Subject: Re: Physiological Effects of LSD
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 22:47:26 GMT

In article <ringo.721944697@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>
ringo@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Ringo) writes: 
|muwjt@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (William J. Taney) writes:
|
|>Does anyone know what kind of interaction LSD would have with drugs that
|>are intended to effect seroronin activity such as PROZAC (Flouroextine I
|>think).  
|
|Interestingly, there is a thread on PROZAC in sci.med right now. This
|might be a good thing cross-post there. On a biochemical level it would
|probably not be difficult to guess the effects these two chemicals would
|have on each other. It depends on what PROZAC does. Is it an antagonist?
|Does it enhance/block reuptake or degradation of serotonin? For instance,
|mono-amine oxidase activity cleaves the NH2 group off of the end of the
|serotonin molecule, and replaces it with a double bonded oxygen (it also
|gets rid of a hydrogen), marking it for excretion.
|PROZAC could have numerous effects, some would cause a difference in LSD
|activity, others might not.

Well, firstly I'm not a doctor nor do I play one on TV nor does my
doctor play on my tv.  

Secondly, it's called fluoxetine, not fluoroxetine or whatever it was
someone said it was.

Third, Prozac is not a tricyclic antidepressant (which most of 'em
are, I believe), and, crap - I can't remember if it's an MAO Inhibitor
or not.  Undoubtedly someone on here will know.

Fourth, if you're on Prozac, it's probably for a good reason, so keep
that in mind.  I, for one, don't suggest taking LSD when you're
depressed.

And lastly, as far as trip effects go, a FOAF says you might
experience a quicker peak, swifter come down, less hallucinations.
My FOAF isn't a doctor either, obviously.

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From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: Acid consumption
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:56:16 GMT

bruceg@Cadence.COM (Bruce Gustifson) writes:
>  Oh boy. And now we enter the realm of abuse. Would you say that
>abuse is occuring for which of the following reasons?
>
>1) He is taking the drug for fun.
>2) He is taking it to experience something "mystical".
>3) He is taking it to relieve boredom.
>   OR dum dum de dumdum
>4) He is using the drug to avoid pain (either physical or emotional).

My opinion is 'no' to all of the above questions.

Is it interfering with his job?
Is it interfering with his personal relationships?
Is it interfering with any other aspect of his life?
Does he wish he could quit?

The last one is probably the most important one.  If he feels that he needs
to quit, because for some reason its fucking up his life, but at the same
time there is something driving him to take it -- thats abuse.  The only
person that can answer that question really adequately is the user himself.
(of course he may not consciously know the answer...)

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
From: gaspar@inf.ethz.ch (gaspo)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: acid and sickness
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:41:32 GMT
Organization: Twilight-Zone-Algorithms-Incorporated

In article <1992Nov22.012000.3946@galois.mit.edu> jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) writes:
>In article <BxzA04.I6t@acsu.buffalo.edu> v055rylr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Amy Pascale) writes:
>>
>>	this weekend, two friends and i were tripping, and one of them got
>>really sick. he equated it with being drunk, that it was as if his body was
>
>This has happened to various folks I know.  Some of the more uninhibited
>folks here may enjoy describing what it can be like to go to the
>bathroom while tripping.


Oh dear, you mean that its not just the local version of L that produces
the "leak-loss" ?  Ok, in that case, hows this for random thoughts...

Normalwise, when we are just doing our everyday thing, there is some
sort of low-level program that runs, keeping track of the fullness of
the bladder and lower intestine.  Whenever either of these two get
filled up to a certain point, the program interupts the main
conciousness and says "hey, see that toilet over there? we'd like to
visit it pretty soon".

But, whence the entire system has been "aLtered", the low-level program
seems to not be able to raise the interupt anymore.  Well, that is at
least until the main-system sends a check to the low-level asking if its
ok since it hasn't heard from it in such a long time.

Be carefull, if this happens, the high-level can wind up thinking that
the low-level has interupted, about once every five minutes. 

Which wouldn't be so bad, except for when you actually do go try to
shake the weasel, things get _real_ strange.  I guess the appropriate
term would be "re-aquainted" with your, er, functions.  It then becomes
a battle to convince your low-level that it really is ok to let go now.

and then of course, there is the tactile-hallucinations.  no matter what
your sex or orientation, it never fails to at least "surprise" the
owners.

so, my rule has been, 2 cups of strong coffee just before ingestion,
which due to caffeines diuretic (sp?) effects, I can totally empty all
containers _before_ things get weird.  Of course, you then need a
nicotine fix to stop the caffeine gitters, then the L starts, and....


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From: dc@ais.org (David Daniels)
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT, LSD!!
Organization: UMCC
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 05:12:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.112103.4021@wkuvx1.bitnet> jagged@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>I have been reading this news group for some time now and I have
>really benifitted(sp?) from the info. I know this has probably been
>brought up before but I can't resist. Why can't we start a LSD News
>Group. It probably has been shot down before but why not? I mean I
>monitor this group daily and I see that at least 25% of what is posted
>is about LSD. I think this would clear up the group for other things
>and give us "Trippers and Wannabe Trippers" a chance to converse with
>out the clutter of the other postings. Please if any of you have any
>influence at all on the net please send messages and get something
>done, (that is if you want to) I have only my opinions and preferences 
>to go on. Send any intelligent replys to the address below. Flames are
>nonproductive so send them else where...
>
>					Thanks for listening to a 
>					raving lunatic.    

Sounds like a great idea to me... NOw just follow up on it.. 


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From: c9221777@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Brother Redeye)
Subject: Re: FDA gives approval to testing of ecstasy
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 11:19:50 GMT

>   I'm currently visiting scenic Auburn, CA on business.  The local paper had
> a big story about a local construction employer who hired a PI company to
> do a big undercover investigation on their employees' alcohol and drug use.
> At the end of the investigation they hauled in all of the suspected - not
> identified - drug users, and interrogated them.  Nearly all of them broke
> down and confessed; apparently this investigation company specializes in this
> type of thing and really knew how to put the screws to them.  Big dossiers
> with the employee's name stamped on the top, "We know exactly what you've
> been up to", etc.  Many of the employees named other employees who were then
> hauled in and given the same treatment.  Only a few had the sense to stonewall,
> deny everything, and say "Show me your evidence."  Those few, with no evidence
> against them except hearsay, wound up keeping their jobs.  The majority who
> confessed, whether to drinking at the lunch hour or to smoking pot at home,
> were immediately fired.  The company professed sorrow at being driven to this,
> and surprise that all of the remaining employees felt totally betrayed by
> their employer.

Hmmm.. I've reading a large number of these files and extracting them for my
own personal reference - mandatory drug tests, civil forfiture, policies based
on creating an appearance rather than actually acheiving the stated aims - and
now this.  Private investigation company ... "name your conspirators" ... does
all of this abominable crap remind anyone of the McCarthy Anti-Communist
witchhunts that were just long enough ago for the public to have forgotten
them?  Almost as much fun as the real thing a few more years back - except
these days we, the people, aren't allowed to kill anyone - yet - unless of
course you happen to be passing through Asia.

Has anyone in the American media made this comparison yet - "The Witchhunts of
the 90s" - quite valid in respect to the way this farce is being carried out,
and in the way that the modern targets are, in the main, just as harmless as
the "witches" and "communists" of the last two rounds of lunacy.  But who wants
to be on the side of the bogeyman?

--
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From: wiskow1346@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Tolerance?
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:27:05 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

    Is there a tolerance built from marijuana? From my experience I have not
experienced that, but I have heard different things from people I know and
conflicting facts from "offical" groups. Also I've always believed in a
tolerance to LSD [ I haven't done it enough to notice ], but some of my friends
say it is mostly psychological. What do you think?
From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Mescaline (was Re: Shroom advice needed...)
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 23:14:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.033042.7540@reed.edu> bowman@reed.edu (BoBoRamDos) writes:

>Also false.  Perhaps you are thinking of peyote?  Mescaline itself would not
>likely make one vomit.  Nice dry chunks of gnarly desert cactus have been
>known to lead to, ah, colorful results.

This is a little unclear.  Pure mescaline does make one initially nauseous.


>later,
>bobo              In seeking the unattainable,
>bowman@reed.edu            simplicity only gets in the way.
>A geek, by any other name...

   --Matt
From: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: two mj questions
Date: 24 Nov 1992 00:24:47 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au

I have found eating hash to be the most hallucinatory of 
experiences except for ether and trilene. Even huge
doses of LSD are not quite as vivdly dreamlike.

-- 
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From: pfotenjr@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: ULTIMATE ACID MOVIE(s)!!
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:19:17 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

Hmmmmm.....
Let's see here.....

REPO MAN       (hee hee hee hee)

BIG TIME       (tom waits' heavily strange concert film)

RUST NEVER SLEEPS  (esp. neil "road-eyes" manning the stage, as well as
                     the attempt on neil's life by the rapelling guy in the
                     DEVO outfit)

LIFESTYLES OF THE RAMONES   (okay, okay, it's pretty much just videos, but
                              the interview bits are better than SPINAL TAP)

ERASERHEAD      (yeeeeeeeehaaaaaa.....hang onto yer heads kids)

BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA      (best if yr seeing it for the first time
                              while on 'cid)

APOCALYPSE NOW  (no, just kidding....I don't want anyone to get HURT here)

RIDERS ON THE STORM  (a pre-sober Dennis Hopper movie; he's the pilot of
                    a CIA communications plane...they haven't "come down," as
                    it were, since the Vietnam War...also a good attack on the
                     Moral Minority)

and my friend Bobby tells me THE REFLECTING SKIN is plenty strange, too
(but I ain't been able to track it down)


Have fun! ;-)


peace, 
jrwp
From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Need info on X and Nitrate
Keywords: X and Nitrates
Date: 20 Nov 92 07:55:52 GMT
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'

lygariba@unix.amherst.edu (LISA YVONNE GARIBAY) writes:
>I need some information on ecstasy and nitrates.   First, I was wondering
>if anyone could tell me the average price per pill/casule, and give me any
>origins of the drug (i.e., where and when it was first developed/used,
>where the best places are to get a hold of it, etc.).

It was first developed around the turn of the century.  It recieved sporadic
use in the late 60's and 70's, then exploded into the spotlight in the 80's.
The best way to get ahold of it is to have contacts (ie. friends that deal
it).  The best way to get those, is to hang around raves, make friends, and
mention your interest in X every now and then -- IMHO, buying it from random
people at raves isn't a good idea.  You can get burned and end up buying
some draino.  Cost here is $20 per 100 mg (a dime) if you get it from someone
you know.  Its $30-$45 or so for the same amount if you buy it at a rave. 

  As for nitrates, or
>"poppers":  I have heard that these are great to use, with no side-effects
>or long-term effects to worry about.  They were very popular in the sort
>of underground subculture of the 70's and early 80's (some referred to it
>as the drug of the sexual deviants), and I know they are still in existence
>today though under a new formula (that has not been made illegal yet).
>If anyone can tell me where and how to procure a few pills, it would be
>much appreciated.

Got me.  I haven't heard of anything except N2O being used around here.

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ringo@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Ringo)
Subject: Re: Acid Music (sorry to net.vets)
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:54:07 GMT

vetter@mtu.edu (STEVEN J. VETTER) writes:


>  The song "25 o-clock" on the Dukes of the Stratosfear album is 
>  really cool when tripped out, especially if your using nitrous.
>  Also on that album, there are short little segments of a little 
>  English girl saying really strange things which sounds really 
>  trippy.

>  vetter@mtu.edu

Just so you know, The Dukes of Stratosphear is a name that the group
XTC adopts from time to time to do 60's revivalist albums. They
have two albums: 25 o' clock and psonic psunspot. They are available
on the same cd entitled 'chips from the chocolate fireball' It's
all really good music. No...it's all really great music. 


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| themes draw themselves out, a more moderate pace | rescigja@calvin.camp.  |
| replacing youth's allegro, yet still it reflects |         clarkson.edu   |
| and embraces the initial melody that gave it its |------------------------|
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