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From: grtorlba@sumax.seattleu.edu (George Torralba)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: About this P.I., R.P, & whathaveyou
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:55:09 GMT
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA


As far as I'm concerned, I can call the Pelifins any name I damn well
please.  


George

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.filipino:3674 soc.culture.asean:7038
From: rcereno@metz.une.edu.au (Roberto Cereno)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino,soc.culture.asean
Subject: test
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:58:28 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino

test
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: bernardo@erevax.bitnet (Marcelino Bernardo)
Subject: Looking for Filipino folk music 
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering, Co.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:29:19 GMT

I would like to get some "real" Filipino folk music, preferably in CD form.
My problem is, I don't know where to start. What artists should I look for?
 Do they still have folk artists in the Philippines or have they all turned
into carbon copies of western stars.  

Any recommendations welcome.

Marcelino Bernardo
bernardo@erevax.bitnet
*These opinions are my own*
From: cadizht@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Horacio Cadiz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Troops Sent to Zamboanga
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:23:55 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

bernardo@erevax.bitnet (Marcelino Bernardo) writes:
   [ quoting report about tensions in Zamboanga ]
>>
>> 	Verela said fear of worsening tensions between the Catholic majority
>                                                               ^^^^^^^^
>> and Muslim minority in the city kept many people away.
>
>             ^^^^^^^^
>
>OK.  I'm going to reveal my ignorance.  I thought that Muslim is the
>majority in this area.  How long has it been this way?  Would someone
>please educate me?

   The majority of Muslims in the Philippines live in the Southern 
Philippines.  However, they are not the majority in the South.  If I recall
correctly, there are only three areas in Mindanao which has a Muslim majority.
These were the areas given the choice to form an Autonomous Region.  I can't 
recall what these areas are.
   During the drive to ratify the 1987 Constitution, one of the scare tactics
used by the RAM, Enrile-boys, and Marcos loyalists against its ratification
was that Mindanao was being turned over to the Muslims.  To bolster their
claim, they took out of context the line which referred to autonomy for 
"Muslim Mindanao."  In fact, the line referred to autonomy for the parts of
Mindanao which had a Muslim majority rather than the whole of Mindanao.
   It played pretty well in the area in Mindanao where I was in.  In fact, 
when I was campaigning for the ratification of the Constitution, the most 
frequently asked question was whether the Constitution considered the whole of 
Mindanao as Muslim Mindanao.
 
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* bombim cadiz             | Theorem:   The early bird gets the worm. *
* cadizht@csgrad.cs.vt.edu | Corollary: The early worm gets eaten.    *  
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From: chai@DCL-NXT40.CSO.UIUC.EDU (Ian Chai  , by way of gustilo@pop-server.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: PH: Suspected Muslim radicals kill six in grenade artack. (forwarded from
 SEASIA-L)
Date: 13 Oct 1992 21:52:20 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


        COTABATO, Philippines (UPI) -- Suspected Muslim radicals lobbed a
grenade into a movie house in the southern Philippines, killing six
people and wounding 36 others, most of them children, authorities said
Tuesday.
        Police Col. Jose Valencia said three of those killed in the attack
Monday night in Aleosan, North Cotabato province, 600 miles southeast of
Manila, were children.
        Valencia said investigators suspected a Muslim fundamentalist group
was behind the bombing. All of whose victims were Christians.
        A dispute over land ownership has increasingly strained relations
between the town's Christian majority and Muslim minority over the past
few months, he said.
        Monday's incident brought to 11 the number of people killed in
Aleosan in disputes between the two sides since Sept. 1, authorities
said. Three of those killed were Muslims, eight were Christians.
        In Zamboanga, 200 miles west of North Cotabato, 1,500 heavily armed
troops patrolled a religious celebration by the city's Roman Catholic
majority Monday amid threats of fresh attacks by Muslim extremists.
        At least 14 people have been killed in Zamboanga in bomb attacks and
assassinations by a group of suspected Muslim radicals so far this year.
        Both Zamboanga and North Cotabato are located on the main southern
Philippine island of Mindanao, site of a Muslim separatist rebellion.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re:    Lua-"runt" GODFREY
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 11:26:00 GMT

In article <92284.222453U27876@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U27876@uicvm.uic.edu>                    writes...
>To all the readers of SFC, I just want to warn everyone that there is a
>blabbermouth, one, Rabbi Laurence Godrey, that know-it-all intellect.
> He's got this notion that just because he's a Jew and he's British he
> can go on other newsgroups (ours, Thais, Canadians, Singapore, France, and
>probably other ones) and site all the negative aspects of that particular
>culture, and do it on that culture's newsgroup on top of that.   So every-
> one, don't be surprised if you see this guy's name on this newsgroup
> criticizing the Philippines.

I'm not a jew and certainly not a Rabbi.  Even if I were then this type
of posting would not be acceptable, as it is undoubtedly intended to be
racist.  I was a jew until the age of about 10 years - I wonder if this
poster has reached this age, judged by his rantings about me on other
groups.

Laurence
From: capistra@andromeda.rutgers.edu (M P Capistrano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Kanino raw huling nagpaalam si Rizal bago mamatay?
Date: 10 Oct 92 05:58:35 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.




"Huling!!!  Paalam!"




        as in "Huling Paalam"  -- one of his famous "thingies!"
From: SOLARMD@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: posting from manila
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:59:39 GMT
Organization: Yale University


 
Is this Les person for real? Do any of you know other sites
for e-mail in the Philippines -- like colleges?
How extensive is this? Why aren't there more of you, Les?
 
-------------------------
Lux et Veritas
Armando Solis
Yale University
From: bstarr@clyde.ics.uci.edu (Brian Joseph Starr)
Subject: Re: PI or RP (The Philippines)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: UC Irvine Department of ICS
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:34:37 GMT
Distribution: USA

Get off it, guys!

Here's the facts.  I lived in Manila for 2 years before I first heard anyone
use the term "PI", as in "How long have you been in PI?" in Angeles, and it was
used by a Mamma San type trying to make conversation with me.  I didn't even
know what she meant, having spent all of my time in Manila up till then, and
she had to translate "PI->Philippine Islands".  OK, "PI" is pretty much an
Americanism, and I think it definately shows that you were associated with the
military if you use it (they love acronyms, you know?), but EVERYONE uses
Philippine Islands pretty much interchangably with "Republic of the
Philippines"-in fact, the later sounds, well, kinda stiff and formal, like what
a polititian would say, you know?  Don't anybody dare tell me different-RP is
politically correct, true enough, but that's not necessarily the way people
always talk.

By the way, has anyone noticed how much more expensive tickets to Manila have
gotten?  They used to be $600 (even less once) RT, what happened?
From: grtorlba@sumax.seattleu.edu (George Torralba)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: P.I./R.P.
Date: 13 Oct 92 04:58:53 GMT
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

In article <1992Oct12.223201.24194@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> jcruz@etch-eshop.Berkeley.EDU (Joey Cruz) writes:
>I am not a billioner or a hypocrite, I am a Pinoy 
>P.I. or R.P. are the same to me 
>
>when I say P.I. I think about my native land all those 7000 plus Islands
>when I say R.P. I think about those politicians in the 60s who changed
>P.I. to R.P. I still accept it as the Phillipines though.
>
>P.I. or R.P. its the same and that is my opinion.               


For a sec there, I was seeing R.I.P.


George

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From: agnes@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Agnes Arreola)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re:  responses
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:00:51 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, Philadelphia PA

Abner Bello writes:

>As for the posting by Mitchell that elicited a slew of responses, I find this 
>jerk and (deleted) suffering from KSP (kulang sa pansin).



I think he is also suffering from USA (Uhaw Sa Attention)!!!!!!
From: sdekey@natinst.com (Samson Dekey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: DFW Get Together
Date: 13 Oct 1992 14:25:54 -0500
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
Distribution: tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: eagle.natinst.com

In article <1992Oct12.150520.18091@mksol.dseg.ti.com> joel@dseg.ti.com writes:
>This post is to (hopefully) start the ball rolling in regard to planning
>the DFW Get-Together. In particular, I need to get suggestions/comments 
>from all those interested about "how" to do it, i.e., should we meet at
>a restaurant, get a Hotel meeting room, etc.

I guess it depends on how much time we want to spend in our get-together.
If we want to spend at least half-day or more, then maybe it's worth our
while to get a hotel room.  

>I have met with Dave Candelario (another DFW SCF-er) and we loosely
>discussed the idea of getting a Conference Room at one of the local Hotels,
>and having the food catered by Manila Mart, a Filipino restaurant in the
>area. I have no idea how much such an arrangement would cost. Does this 
>sound good to everyone? I would really like to hear your suggestions.

That sounds good to me.  I think if we have more people the per person
cost of catering and hotel room rental will be lower.  On the other hand,
if we can't get enough people to make this viable, we could meet at a
restaurant (let's say Manila Mart) and then go do something together 
(like bowling) afterwards.

>The following people are on my list as being "interested" in attending:
>
>	Joel Quejada            joel@emu.dseg.ti.com
>	Dave Candelario         [no e-mail; send mail via Joel Quejada]
>	Lorenzo Torres          torres@utdallas.edu
>	Sam De Key              sdekey@natinst.com
>	Apollo Silva            xxapollo@utagraph.uta.edu
>	Rosana Van Der Grinten  dbgrvv@edpu07.edp.Arco.com
>	Cynthia Tee             cctee@asc.slb.com

BTW, I am just curious - how many of the above lives in DFW area, and 
where does the others live?   I myself, by the way, lives in Austin.

Cheers,
From: abner@wente.llnl.gov (Abner F. Bello)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: responses
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:13:12 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL



I must have responded to Gerry Salas alone when he asked
for Pinoy jokes, rather than posting these on the net.
So, for those interested, some rather amusing jokes:

Joke #1
Q: What do you call the bright star in the north?
A: North Star.
Q: The star in the south?
A: South Star.
Q: The star in the middle of these two?
A: Bituin.

Joke #2
Q: What do you call two Filipino Pilots?
A: A pair of pliers

Joke #3
Filipino-American mother and son were touring some of the 
mountains in northern Luzon.  Part of the tour was exploring
caves, which they found dark and eerie.  Son, being playful and
wanting to hear echo, shouted, "BOOOO."  Suddenly bats from 
nowhere flew past them and went out the cave.  Son tells
mother, "Look Ma, the bats are so panicky!"

A shift of gears to less amusing matters...

As for the posting by Mitchell that elicited a slew of 
responses, I find this jerk and a**h*le suffering from
KSP (kulang sa pansin).  He lets people know of the 
dysfunctional views he has just so they will respond.
He's the type that longs to be on Oprah's talk show.
Now that I've fed him by writing this response, I hope
he's happy.  Mitchell -- go get your d*ck serviced
somewhere else.

abner
From: salas@math.orst.edu (Gerry Salas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Clark AFB
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:27:11 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University Math Department

In article <1992Oct8.165257.20727@ichips.intel.com> tjehl@sedona.intel.com writes:
>
>   Well, when Jim Kirk made his original post, I winced because you could
>just feel the flame fest coming.  If you want to maintain a rational
>discussion, you really do have to remain a bit on the PC side, because
>too many people (myself included) have internal buttons which can be pushed.
>   However, back to the intent of his original post.  Does anyone know
>what the status is of the people of Angeles City who relied on the base
>as their means of financial support?  This of course includes base workers,
>shop keepers, etc., as well as people who professions which are not considered
>as "honorable".  Is the government moving in to supply new jobs, etc.
>   Also, with Subic having just closed, what is the status of Olongapo.  Are
>the citizens their being left to fend for themselves, or is Manila in there
>doing something for them?
>
>Tim
>-- 
> Intel, Corp.
> 5000 W. Chandler Blvd.
> Chandler, AZ  85226


I've read one time that it's possible to post from Manila.  To the
person posting from Manila (?): If possible, kindly post news
articles that would answer these questions.  Thanks a lot.   

==================================================================
Gerry S. Salas
Mathematics Department
Oregon State University
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: bernardo@erevax.bitnet (Marcelino Bernardo)
Subject: Re: Troops Sent to Zamboanga
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering, Co.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:20:25 GMT

In article <-131092165131@microlab6.med.upenn.edu>, news@netnews.upenn.edu
(USENET News System) wrote:
> 
> 
> 	ZAMBOANGA, Philippines (UPI) -- About 1,500 heavily armed troops
> patrolled this southern city Monday as its Roman Catholic majority
                                                            ^^^^^^^^
> marked a religious festival amid fresh threats of attack by suspected
> Muslim radicals.
>
> 	Verela said fear of worsening tensions between the Catholic majority
                                                               ^^^^^^^^
> and Muslim minority in the city kept many people away.

             ^^^^^^^^

OK.  I'm going to reveal my ignorance.  I thought that Muslim is the
majority in this area.  How long has it been this way?  Would someone
please educate me?

Marcelino Bernardo
bernardo@erevax.bitnet
From: m-muyot@uiuc.edu (Maria Muyot)
Subject: Was: Clark AB  Now:Prostituion *is* illegal in the Phils.
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: Dept. of Statistics
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:53:06 GMT

In article <Oct06.212230.12183@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>,
mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler) wrote:

> 
> Listen, American didn't create the bar scene around the American bases. Maybe we the G.I.s
> are wrong for screwing around but remember, if the P.I. didn't want these nightclubs and
> these bargirls infesting their country , they would've outlawed.  Did you know that dancing
> topless is illegal in Angeles?  If they made that illegal, why didn't they just outlaw
> the whole damn prostitution scene! Why?  Because they need our money and the girls need a
> way out of the Philippines.  Blame the Philippine government for allowing this to go on!
> 

I'm sorry to be the one to break the news to you, but prostituion is 
illegal in the Philippines. So, if you've done more than converse with
these bar girls then you did break the law. 

Doesn't it make sense that in a country where divorce, and yes, topless 
dancing is illegal, prostituion would be illegal too? 

It's true that prostitution does exist, which misleads others to believe 
that it is legal. Unfortunately, the authorities turn a blind eye to this
as long as they get something out of it, so the law is  not fully enforced.

Occasionally, the police would raid bars and arrest prostitutes (probably
the ones who did not pay their "dues") to satisfy protests by some
concerned
people. At least, this is what happens in Manila, as far as I 
could tell from reading about it in the local papers.
They would show pictures of women, trying to hide their faces, being
escorted out of the bars.

I'm not sure what the situation is in Angeles (before Mt. Pinatubo) and
Olonggapo. My guess is that the mayors of these cities have everything
under their control, and since it brings money to them, they, at the
very least, tolerate the situation.

It would be very easy for me not to give a damn about these women since
my life, when I was growing up in the Philippines, was so far removed 
from these women's. I've never been to Olonggapo, and the only times 
I've been in the Angeles City area was to drive through on the way to
vacations in Baguio. I've also never been allowed to venture anywhere
near Ermita after dark. 

Now I wonder if ignoring their situation really leaves me blameless.
From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Phil - Burma Trade Pacts
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:35:43 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	MANILA, Philippines (UPI) -- Burmese officials picked up agreements
boosting trade and public support for Rangoon's military regime during
an official visit to the Philippines that ended Thursday.
	The three-member trade delegation, led by Brig. Gen. David Oliver
Abel, signed pacts with Manila to bolster joint ventures, especially in
tourism, and to build trade links.
	The governments said in a joint statement that they wanted to raise
to $10 million the value of annual two-way trade by 1993. Philippine
officials said bilateral trade from 1982 through 1991 totaled $6.6
million.
	The delegation, which traveled to Thailand earlier and went on to
South Korea Thursday, also won some of what it hopes will be growing
support for the legitimacy of the ruling State Law and Order Restoration
Council, or SLORC.
	The military junta lifted two, 2-year-old martial law decrees Sept.
26 and has released hundreds of political prisoners in what it says is a
permanent move toward more liberal policies.
	Philippine President Fidel Ramos, the statement said, ``took note of
the favorable climate for the speedy return of constitution rule'' in
Burma, and ``expressed optimism in expanding and strengthening of
bilateral cooperation.''
	However, Rangoon still holds under house arrest Nobel Peace Prize
winner Aung San Suu Kyi -- the only leader seen as powerful enough to
challenge the military rulers who have run Burma for 30 years.
	SLORC seized power in 1988. It has held Suu Kyi since July 1989 and
refused to transfer power despite her political party, the National
League of Democracy, winning a landslide victory in the May 1990
National Assembly elections.
	Abel promised Ramos that Suu Kyi was being treated well in detention.
The Philippine president did not ask for her release.
	``Her family is now allowed to visit her as often as they can and her
freedom of expression has been fully restored,'' the joint statement
said.
	Western diplomats have dismissed Rangoon's liberal shift as window-
dressing to stave off a possible U.N. recommendation for an
international arms embargo during the world body's General Assembly
meeting in New York.
	The United States and other Western countries have appealed for Asian
leaders to publicly isolate Burma in a bid to force Rangoon to improve
its human rights record and turnover power to the NLD.
	Most Asian governments have refused such overtures, saying they would
instead welcome Burmese moves toward openness while pressing Rangoon in
private for change.
From: arnie@imag.fr (Arnulfo AZCARRAGA)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Zamboanga is catholic!!!
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:28:26 GMT
Organization: Institut Imag, Grenoble, France
Originator: arnie@cosmos

>> 
>> 
>> 	ZAMBOANGA, Philippines (UPI) -- About 1,500 heavily armed troops
>> patrolled this southern city Monday as its Roman Catholic majority
                                                            ^^^^^^^^
>> marked a religious festival amid fresh threats of attack by suspected
>> Muslim radicals.
>>
>> 	Verela said fear of worsening tensions between the Catholic majority
>                                                               ^^^^^^^^
>> and Muslim minority in the city kept many people away.
>             ^^^^^^^^

> OK.  I'm going to reveal my ignorance.  I thought that Muslim is the
> majority in this area.  How long has it been this way?  Would someone
> please educate me?

Oh yes, Zamboanga City is very catholic. It used to be the "seat" of the
catholic church in Mindanao during the spanish period, which should be
since early 19th century or even the 18th century.

The whole of the Zamboanga peninsula including Zamboanga City, Zamboanga
del Norte and Zamboanga del Sur is very largely catholic. Even Basilan
is still catholic. It's only when you reach the province of Sulu and
Tawi-Tawi, the numerous islands on the south west towards Borneo, where
the majority is muslim. There are other areas of Mindanao where there are
muslims, though the muslims are not necessarily the majority. These are 
Cotabato, Sultan Kudarat, Lanao (Marawi), Maguindanao, and probably a few
more. But the whole of Mindanao is very largely catholic! Note that there
are the provinces of Davao, Agusan, Surigao, Bukidnon, not to mention big
cities like Cagayan de Oro, Iligan and Davao City, which are very, very
catholic, or at least Christian. This is why an autonomous "muslim mindanao"
is not easy for those from Mindanao to accept. It's like declaring California 
an autonomous state for Filipinos ...

Please don't get me wrong. I'm catholic and I have very good muslim
friends and neighbors. I don't mind sharing the city with people of other
religions. It's just the over-reaction from rebels and terrorists which 
irritates me.

-Arnie-

-- 

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Arnulfo P. Azcarraga            --->   arnie@lifia.imag.fr   <---
LIFIA, Institut-IMAG, 46 av Felix Viallet, 38031 Grenoble cedex, France