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Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:47:44 -0500 
From: "Alan S. Ferrency" <af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: BODY POLICE ON THE NET!!LOOK OUT!
	<1992Nov10.140924.1@hamp.hampshire.edu>

>Furthermore, harrassment of other people's opinions and actions should
>not be tolerated, 

I agree wholeheartedly...

>...especially on a newsnet that is geared for a particualr
>audience.  Why not alert the rest of the net that there is some asshole
>responding rudely to what people are writing on the net?
>Lets kick his fucking ass!  he has no fucking right to judge people on
>what they choose to do to their bodies.

... but this sounds an aweful lot like "harrassment of other people's
opinions" to me.  Just because you don't like the fact that the other
person doesn't like nose rings doesn't mean you have any more right to
harrass him as he does to harrass anyone else.  (yeah, whatever...)
In other words, just because it's an opinion you don't agree with, it
still doesn't make it right for you to harrass him about it.

just thought I'd point out what seemed to be a contradiction...


-me

Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: Jack.Smoke@launchpad.unc.edu (Jack Smoke)
Subject: Re: How long to wait before changing first earrings?
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:33:05 GMT

In article <nomi.721590641@cgl.ucsf.edu> nomi@cgl.ucsf.edu (Nomi L. Harris) writes:
>I got my earlobes pierced on Oct 24 at the Gauntlet.  They told me
>to wait 6 weeks before I change earrings.  I have been cleaning my
>earlobes religiously, and have had no problems; they don't hurt and
>aren't oozing or anything.  I bought some gold hoops with 14K gold-
>filled posts (I know I shouldn't wear cheap-metal earrings, but
>solid-gold posts are so expensive!), and I'm dying to try them out,
>but it's been less than 3 weeks, and I don't want my ears to get
>infected.  Would I be unwise to try to change earrings at this
>point?

	My brother (Who at sixteen, admitedly, was a bit of a studly
no-pain fearing stoic), was forbiden by our parents to pierce his
ear.  He did it anyway, himself, with a needle - no ice, no potato,
just a sewing needle *WHAM* through the ear.  To keep it from being
noticed, he took it out every morning and put it back every evening.
It never got infected.
	I certainly don't recomend this to everyone, indeed, I think it's
rather foolish, but the point of my story is this:  Go ahead.  If
you're comfortable with it, and willing to take the discomfort, do it.
If you start having problems, go back to your ring.
	One more point:  It's unwise to wear wires in your ears before 
six months have passed, because scar tissue hasn't had a chance to build up.
Those wonderful wire hooks swing back and forth, and can work just like a 
wire saw.  
 
>
>I lived for 26 years with unpierced ears; now I want to be an
>earring SLUT and try out all the earrings I see. :-)

	Go for it!  I got mine done after I got out of the navy - 
sort of a rebelion thing - and still enjoy finding new cool ear rings.

>
>Apologies for posting such a vanilla question.
>
	Ears are body, too!

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From: jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: should niobium rings fade?
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:43:36

"elef" == elaine 'beano' leffler <elef@smarmy.Eng.Sun.COM> writes:

elef> i have a niobium ring that used to be purple that has faded into
elef> a silverish metal color.  should niobium be doing this?  none of

I've talked to several people who've had niobium fade, it seems to go
based a lot on how chemically rough that part of the body is.  It
seems the most common fades I've heard of are: inner labia (three
rings), navel (two rings), PA (two rings).  I haven't heard anybody
complain about ear/nose/eyebrow niobium rings fading...
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From: af244@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Schochet)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Tattoo Design Sources
Date: 10 Nov 1992 19:52:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: af244@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Schochet)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


I just received a catalog from Bellerphon Books. They are publishers
of children's art books including construction books (to cut out & put
together) as well as coloring books. Some of the coloring book titles
seemed interesting as potential sources for tattoo designs. Eg., A
Coloring Book of Japan, Gorgons, Unicorns, a Medieval Alphabet,
Ancient Ireland, etc., etc.

Look for them in the children's book department of your favoriate
store. They're all reasonable priced, usually under $5.

-- 
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." Dan Quayle to Jenny Craig

STEVE SCHOCHET\af244@cleveland.freenet.edu\af244%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm
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From: 002w1b@pnet16.cts.com (Rm1 Burns)
Subject: Tattoo Reading Material
Organization: People-Net [pnet16], NCTAMS EASTPAC
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 18:16:03 GMT

Was wondering if there is any reading material out there to get more ideals
on tattoos? I mean I know about the Tattoo issues of EasyRider and mag like
that. But I cannot seem to find anything that I really like in them. Most 
of the parlors that I go to seem to have the same designs. I mean maybe it
is that being in the navy most of the parlors I go to deal with the military
more than others. I'm just looking for something different. I would draw it 
myself, but I have the drawing style of a speed freak on a
rollercoster (I have nothing against speed freaks). So any suggestion will
be greatly accepted. Thanks. And as the old Irish Toast goes:

                      MAY YOU ALL BE IN HEAVEN
                             A HALF AN HOUR
                      BEFORE THE DEVIL KNOWS YOUR DEAD.

                                                     //JOE:)//

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From: Jack.Smoke@launchpad.unc.edu (Jack Smoke)
Subject: Re: Piercing in NJ
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:58:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.172044.12002@Princeton.EDU> ernesto@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Teodoro E. Gelabert) writes:
>Hi, I just found this group and have found it to be very informative.
>While I am deciding on a design for a tat I was wondering if anyone knew
>of good tat artists and nipple piercers in the central Jersey area?  Do
>I need to go to Philly or NYC to find a good professional?

	Man, if you're right there in Princeton, you might as 
well go see the best - Gauntlet has an office in Manhatten!
The last time I was in Bernardsville (about half an hour
north of Princeton) the bus ride into NYC was only $5.


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From: trca7149@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: FAQ file
Date: 6 Nov 92 05:59:55 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Does anyone know where I can get the FAQ file on piercings?  If not when are
they usually posted?

e-mail to trca7149@iscsvax.uni.edu

Thanks in advance.

brt
From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: BODY POLICE ON THE NET!!LOOK OUT!
Date: 12 Nov 1992 13:43:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Everybody has an opinion and an asshole. They both stink.
-- 
Ted....
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From: cgates@mitre.org (Curt Gates)
Subject: Re: should niobium rings fade?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:56:24 GMT

In article <lg302nINNpsf@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> elef@smarmy.Eng.Sun.COM 
(elaine 'beano' leffler) writes:
> i have a niobium ring that used to be purple that has faded into
> a silverish metal color.  should niobium be doing this?  none of
> my other niobium jewelry has faded at ALL.  the ring's been worn
> constantly for almost 2 years.  

The color on niobium is from a thin layer of niobium oxide which can be 
applied by a simple electrolytic process.  Different thicknesses, 
different colors.  Wear and abrasion will remove the layer.  But the color 
can be reapplied.  There are a lot of variables, but yes, two years of 
constant wear could easily remove the color.  If you have access to a DC 
power supply (12 to 24 V, or 12 to 80 for greater range of colors), you 
can reapply the color yourself.  You can use Coke  or Pepsi for the 
electrolyte, but better to use trisodium phosphate (TSP), which is 
available at the paint section of a hardware store.  Also, you can mask 
areas and get patterns of different colors.

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From: blazekm@a.cs.okstate.edu (Blazek Michael W)
Subject: First mass murderers, now bodyart!
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 04:06:44 GMT

Yep, you guessed it - there are now bodyart trading cards.
While leafing through the January "Preview Guide" (for comics)
came across a trading set entitled "Beauty, Skin, and Art" which
includes "tattoos, piercings, and other female 'body ornamentation'".
This was offered by the self-proclaimed home of the "world's most
bizarre collector card set" Mother Productions.

Don't know how many cards are in the set (will discover this when they
arrive) or why only females (though I can imagine).

Just thought you might like to know.

*BLAZE*
blazekm@a.cs.okstate.edu
From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: BODY POLICE ON THE NET!!LOOK OUT!
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:54:31 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Nov10.140924.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jpage@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>Why NOT?????She has every right to express her    
>anger at someone who wrote an offensive response to one of her postings.

But she expressed it at *us*, not at him.  I can't really blame her, I'd 
probably blow up and do the same thing if I got that kind of email.

Now what I get offended by is this:

>Furthermore, harrassment of other people's opinions and actions should
>not be tolerated, ...especially on a newsnet that is geared for a particualr
>audience.  

followed almost immediately by this:

>Lets kick his fucking ass!  he has no fucking right to judge people on
>what they choose to do to their bodies.

Walk it like you talk it, jpage.

>Why not alert the rest of the net that there is some asshole
>responding rudely to what people are writing on the net?

Might as well "alert the net" that the earth is round.


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From: axtell@cray.com (Maureen Axtell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: unsafe piercing and supplies
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:57:25 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

Kids,

This is a hard note to write (mostly cause I don't want to end up
getting sued), but I had one hell of a scary experience this weekend.

Friday evening, My SO and I went to a prominent tat/piercing shop in
Denver. We had planned to aquire some jewelry, needle, and assorted
stuff for his PA.  Dealing with professionals who've had good
recommendations here seemed like an ok alternative to waiting for
an order from the Gauntlet.

Scary experience #1 - we're talking to one of the resident tat
artists, when a customer shows up for a navel peircing.  The piercing
itself went ok, but I swear the piercer picked up an needle directly
off of a counter (i.e. not sterilized). But it's late, and I figure
I had to be wrong.      

Scary experience #2 - we buy a 14ga, supposedly new, supposedly
sterile and sealed needle.  Supplied in your normal white envelope
complete with the brown 'ok' symbol indicating the autoclave had
behaved itself.  So far so good.

We get home, open the needle packet, and lo and behold, they have sold
us a very old/worn needle with FRESH BLOOD AND TISSUE on it. Fresh as in   
it was still bright red and damp.

Now what happens if we hadn't looked closely at that needle?  It scares
me to think about it.  It also scares me to think about how many other
customers may have had the same experience and not had the sense to avoid
using an unclean needle.

Any suggestions on how to handle this situation?   I don't think asking
them to replace it is a sufficient response and I suspect that talking
to the health department will result in a slap on the wrist (this is
colorado you know, home of family values and to hell with those that
don't fit in).  I should also mention that my SO works for a different
tat shop and there is a business relationship at stake.

-maureen
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Subject: Phineas Gage
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:50:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * 501-985-0059 * Public Access Usenet


->      Anyway, to make a long story short, where can I get a piercing
-> like that?  I think it would be cool to walk around with a bar or
-> sword Sticking out of my face.  And if people made fun of me or tried
-> to put me in a freak show, I'd pull out the bar and hit them with it!
-> Neat. What doctors are licensed to do this piercing?  Anyone near
-> Boston?

 I'd respond, but I'm not licensed to answer.  Are you sure you're
licensed to ask questions like that?
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Subject: Adult circumcision
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:59:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * 501-985-0059 * Public Access Usenet


-> I am especially concerned by the statement of some people, that there
-> might appear an unpleasant scar directly under the glans (where the
-> cut is made), which would not happen when circumcision is performed
-> before puberty.

 Like most American males, I was circumcised as an infant.  The "scar"
appears as a slightly darkened ring behind the glans; no different in
texture or sensitivity from the rest of the penis.

 Any scarring that would appear after adult circumcision would probably
be dependent on how well you heal and the skill of the urologist who
does the actual surgery.

 The times I've heard of it being done, the patient was admitted to the
hospital, but that may be one of the vagaries of American health care,
such as it is.  I see no reason why circumcision could not be performed
at the doctor's office; it's just a flap of skin after all.
From: bpwing@phoenix.princeton.edu (Ben Wing)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Date: 12 Nov 92 09:55:52 GMT
Subject: Re: BODY POLICE ON THE NET!!LOOK OUT!
Organization: Princeton University
X-Subliminal-Message: You can quit reading news anytime you want.

Though I whole-heartedly agree with the spirit of your posting, I have a
couple o' comments ...

In article <1992Nov11.225859.16858@netcom.com> lemay@netcom.com (Laura Lemay) writes:
|
|> >Besides, You couldn't get a job with one of those and
|
|I just recently changed jobs.  I interviewed with visible nose,
|eyebrow and multiple ear piercings.  Half my head is shaved.  I got
|two job offers.
|
|Which jobs are you referring to, Joe?
|

Perhaps this is because you work in the computer industry.  I'm certain
that in many other sorts of jobs, esp. those more high-profile, they aren't
so tolerant of piercings, tattoos, shaven heads, strange clothing, etc.
(of course, perhaps you wouldn't want to take one of those jobs, but
that's another story.)

|BTW, Joe, feel free to flame me in email.  But be forewarned that 
|I will post anything you send me.

Normal netiquette is not to post private e-mail, and I think this is
a reasonable idea to be followed except when the mail is really absurd
and harrassing.

ben
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From: rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Subject: Re: dod
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:45:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.175613.1838@wixer.cactus.org> lestat@wixer.cactus.org (Lyle J. Mackey) writes:
>In article <a6F3TB2w165w@tsoft.sf-bay.org> bbs.texx@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Tejas Wood) writes:
>
>> information deleted, natch
>

The Dod police are watching.....

Regards,
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:50:00 -0500 
From: "Alan S. Ferrency" <af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: BODY POLICE ON THE NET!!LOOK OUT!
 <1992Nov10.170451.28414@u.washington.edu> <1992Nov10.140924.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> <1992Nov10.222708.4293@mercury.cair.du.edu>
	<1992Nov10.200657.1@hamp.hampshire.edu>

>>>Lets kick his fucking ass!  he has no fucking right to judge people on
>>>what they choose to do to their bodies.
>> 
>> And we have the right to kick his fucking ass? Grow up.
>> 
>> 
>
>yes, i DO think we have the right to kick his fucking ass....because
>he's harrassing,bullying and condesending to say the least, which
>i think is intolerable.  and, just for your information, to "kick someone's
>ass" is a phrase, honey, not to be taken literally.  it means that
>we should not tolerate his shit. boy, i feel so bad for those who
>get so upset over little things like phrases "kicking ass"...*sigh*

Does that mean I have the right to kick your ass because you're
harrassing, bullying, and condescending, to say the least (which I also
think is intolerable)?

-me
From: ep2j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Edward Pak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: GAUNTLET:price
Date: 9 Nov 92 02:15:21 GMT
Organization: Freshman, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Does anyone know, or can anyone find out how much an eyebrow pierce is
at Gauntlet in NYC?

EDDIE
From: excited@med.unc.edu (Wally German)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Recommendations for Tattoo Artists
Date: 10 Nov 92 07:14:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: samba.1992Nov10.071430.1032
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Originator: excited@index


I have been mulling over getting a tattoo for several months now.  This
past weekend i made a visit to a local artist.  I don't believe that I am
able to judge, accurately, the abilities of this or other artists for that
matter.  That is why I am enlisting the help of others who might know of
"local" artists.  I say local because for something as permanent as a
tattoo I would be very willing to travel to a highly recommended artist.

I live in North Carolina (Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill).  Can anybody point
me in the direction of a highly esteemed tattoo artist?

Thanks for your assistance!
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: lemay@netcom.com (Laura Lemay)
Subject: Re: BODY POLICE ON THE NET!!LOOK OUT!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:58:59 GMT

Rather than join in the flame war on whether this guy deserves to be 
flamed, lambasted on the net, or whether Beth was right to "out" him
and so on, I thought I'd reply to the mail itself.

"Joe" writes:
> >Men don't like that kind of thing Beth.

I used to hang out in mainstream nigthclubs, meat markets, that sort
of thing.  When I got my nose pierced, I noticed a statistically
significant increase in men hitting on me.  And men of all kinds, rather
than the be-suited marketroids who seemed to find me attractive 
beforehand.

I suppose one could argue that it wasn't the nosering that started it,
it was the air of confidence I suddenly got when I pierced my nose,
or some such brouhaha, only I been told by untold numbers of men
since then how attractive they find nose piercings.

Which "men" are you referring to, Joe?

> >Besides, You couldn't get a job with one of those and

I just recently changed jobs.  I interviewed with visible nose,
eyebrow and multiple ear piercings.  Half my head is shaved.  I got
two job offers.

Which jobs are you referring to, Joe?

> >maybe some day you are going to regret it when some nice guy
> >rejects you because you have an earing on your nose.

I keep having this vision of a guy dating beth for weeks...and only
seeing the side of her face that doesn't have the nose piercing.
And then, one fateful day...she turns around!  Aaahhhh!

Seems to me that if a guy can't handle my nose peircing, he's certianly
not going to be able to handle my other piercings.  I think I could
live with that kind of rejection.

> >It is not an "In" thing to do. 

Which, some might argue, is a good reason for doing it in the first
place.

> >and think about other peoples reactions before you try
> >something like that again.

Oooh, and other people's reactions should be the basis for *all* the
decisions we make.  Never be gay and out, cause other people might
disapprove.  Never date anyone outside your racial or social group.
Never advocate radical philosophy, politics, or art, cause
someone might get upset.

Yah.

BTW, Joe, feel free to flame me in email.  But be forewarned that 
I will post anything you send me.






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From: rossiter_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Adult circumcision
Date: 12 Nov 1992 01:17:10 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: rossiter_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <BxKAHB.5EB@rice.edu>, garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett) writes:
>In article <1drd8gINNdrg@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> qedoabff@w206zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Peter Bosel) writes:
>>As I like the smooth, streamlined appearance of a circumcised penis together 
>>with the easier hygiene, I think about having done circumcision now.
>
>>Does anybody has experiences with adult circumcision? If yes, how
>>went the operation and how do you like the condition now?
>
>I don't personally have any experience, as I was clipped when I was a baby, 
>but people I've talked to that have had it done as adults have said that 
>it was quite painful.
>

After his experiences in WWII, my father had the job done as an adult for
hygiene reasons.  It was apparently quite painful, but he was quite satisfied. 
He then ensured that all his sons were done as infants, so that they would not
be faced with having to make the same decision whether or not to face the pain
as adults.  Certainly, it also helps the hygiene in/on little boys (who are not
the most careful about washing).  

my $0.02
Pat

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From: bbs.texx@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Tejas Wood)
Subject: dod
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:30:21 GMT

someone asked about dod.
here on internet, dod means "denizens of doom".
it is the official internet motorcycle club.
dod has raised large sums of money for the motorcycle heritage museum 
among other things.
mostly dod rides to live and lives to flame
so now ya know!
-texx

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