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From: aa302@Freenet.carleton.ca (Russell McOrmond)
Subject: Re:  XPR-Bidirectional
Reply-To: aa302@Freenet.carleton.ca (Russell McOrmond)
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:29:27 GMT


In a previous article, jagrizza@uncc.edu (James A Grizzard) says:
>>Bi-modem isn't so complex.  The problem is that the author of Bi-modem has
>>copyrighted the protocol, and if someone were to write a compatible Amiga

>why??? if someone writes some code, and doesn't use the original bi-modem author's
>code, how can that be violation of copyright?

  Let's clear some of this up once and for all.

  a) Yes, the word 'copyright' was not appropriate, and a patent on the
protocol would be more appropriate.
  b) The patent on this protocol is NOT in the public domain.  I do not at
this point know WHERE it is, but this fact alone (That I don't know where
it is) makes Bi-modem a non-issue.

  Let's put up some scenarios:

  a) A patent does exist, and we can not find it.  So, someone programms an
XPR bi-modem and gets sued for it once it is released.  Not only do they
loose money from the lawsuit, but the protocol is still not available, and
all time has been wasted.

  b) The patent does not exist and someone does not attempt to get one:  A
retroactive scenario of the first possibility exists.

  c) someone tries to get a patent for the protocol, and in doing so ends 
up in a legal battle with some other author.

  

  The statement is this *WHY BOTHER*!!  I can't see that any single protocol
implementation is worth the possible legal hassles if the specifications
are not already released to the public domain.  It would be much easier for
someone like myself or others to start from scratch and make sure that the
protocol is released to the public domain so that someone can't try to
screw everyone over.

  Now, if someone else wants to do the foot-work to get the protocol's patent
released to the public domain, then please do so.  I doubt if any of the
authors of any of the currently freely available protocols will bother to
look at the protocol until that time.  And if someone wants to be paying
high shareware fee's for XPR's, let some of the authors know as there are
authors that aren't programming XPR's because they believe that you can't
put a shareware cost onto an XPR and instead write 'wrappers'
(Some call them terminal packages, I call them 'wrappers' that make the
protocol useless to myself (Or other network users), BBS sysops, etc) so 
that they can charge for the protocol.

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From: keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan)
Subject: Re:  XPR-Bidirectional
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 06:27:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.182927.21976@freenet.carleton.ca> aa302@Freenet.carleton.ca (Russell McOrmond) writes:
>
>  a) A patent does exist, and we can not find it.  So, someone programms an
>XPR bi-modem and gets sued for it once it is released.  Not only do they
>loose money from the lawsuit, but the protocol is still not available, and
>all time has been wasted.

given - but still unlikely...

>  b) The patent does not exist and someone does not attempt to get one:  A
>retroactive scenario of the first possibility exists.

A demonstration of prior art would defeat this very quickly.

>  c) someone tries to get a patent for the protocol, and in doing so ends 
>up in a legal battle with some other author.

Ditto.

Hi Russell - Is James your brother?
Keith Hanlan  KeithH@bnr.ca  Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada 613-765-4645
From: thor@twilight.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Thorsten Schiller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Amiga 4000 & C-Net
Date: 13 Nov 92 20:49:34 EST
Organization: The Realm Of Twilight BBS * (519)748-9026

I was considering upgrading from my old A500 to an A4000. However, prior to
doing so it would be nice to know if either C-Net or Excelsior will run on
'040 (more specifically A4000) machines. 

Does anyone run either BBS program on an A4000? Any '040 machine?

If so I would appreciate it if you could drop me a line at either:
        thor@twilight.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
 -or-   tschiller@descartes.uwaterloo.ca
(My newsfeed is quite flaky and I tend to loose a lot of news - this is why I
would appreciate email. I'll summarize to the net.)

Thanks in advance.

Thorsten

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From: pepin@CAM.ORG (Jean Pepin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: `term' 2.5 -- any suggestions?
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:12:03 GMT
Organization: Club Amiga Montreal

Record like script maker.
Mouse oriented Arexx script maker on Term itself interface.

Thanks
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From: keck@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Keck)
Subject: VLT and Ymodem problem
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:10:55 GMT

I've been using VLTjr for a few weeks and it's great!  Willy is a god.
The capability to use scripts is phenomenal.  Enough palpitating! ;)

I have the latest version from the stanford accelerator site, and
the printed manual.  (Great mail turnaround time, too!)  I have the
xpr modules from there as well, so hopefully I have everything
one would think I should have.

My problem- the Ymodem protocol doesn't seem to work.  I have BaudBandit,
the commercial telcomm program, that can connect to my Sun 4 host just
fine, and I can transfer files from the unix with a:

xmodem sbyk <filelist or pattern>

and BaudBandit handles it fine. (BTW, sbyk= send binary ymodem 1K blocks)
VLTjr will get the first file name of the list, transfer about 9 1K
blocks of it _with no errors_, then crash out.  Anyone heard of this?
It's not near the end of the file, or anything like that, and I've tried 
several files and file types.

I can also use VLTjr with the xmodem xpr module and no problems.  So,
I don't think it's just something simple and stupid like parity or stop
bits.  There's something special about the way the unix ymodem talks to
VLTjr.  Has anyone had this problem?  If not, I'll log some of the transfers
and post the log files.

Thanks for the help, I hope.

Paul Keck keck@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: rang@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Jyan-ken)
Subject: Best High Speed Modem Deal?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:13:22 GMT


Ok...Excuse me for being naive but I would like to hear some reports..

What is the best deal for a modem that works with an Amiga that operates
at above 9600...?

The modems should be judged on price, speed, availablity, support, and
reliablility...Complete details should be given for comparisions..
And info on how to configure these modems to work for the Amiga would be
good for us lame brains who don't know any better..

Thanks for the info in advance,
Jyanken

PS- WOuld a Zyxel U-1496E work possibly on an Amiga?
(My assumptions say "no", but I could be wrong..)
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From: mlednor@tower.demon.co.uk (Mark `Jay' Lednor)
Subject: Re: Anos ver 2.9i questions!
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Private Internet Node
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:16:49 +0000

Thomas Lydhig (thly@pe.chalmers.se) wrote:
>I have tree questions about AmigaNOS v2.9i:
>    1. How do I use the Autodial function?

There should be a file in the Amiganos/slip/ directory containing pairs of
send and wait commands. For example...


    send "ATZ"
    wait "OK"
    send "ATDT1234567890"
    wait "Login:"
    send "mlednor"
    wait "assword:"
    send "no_way!"
    wait "HELLO"

That should be pretty self-explanatory. Send data and then wait for a
response, if no response in about a minute (or less not sure) drop the
line. If the file is not found (in TCPIP:) then dialling is not done.

>    2. What is the new features of v2.9i?

Bug fixes and the dialling. The bug fixes are most notably the ability to
start smtp and nntp from the startup without having out-of-memory errors.

>    3. Why can't AmigaNOS have documentation included like all other software
>       (FREE/SHARE WARE)? E.G. MAIN.DOC, HISTORY.DOC, NEW_FEATURES.DOC. Then
>       someone have made all this good software why can't he bring information
>       about how to use it?

It matches the documentation for the PC version identically  :-)

>THANX,
>	Thomas Lydhig		/ thly@pe.chalmers.se
>

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From: pooler@vccnw07.its.rpi.edu (Robert Peter Poole)
Subject: Re: XPR mailing list (was Re: XPR-Bidirectional)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:58:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.171521.3050@freenet.carleton.ca> aa302@Freenet.carleton.ca (Russell McOrmond) writes:
>
>In a previous article, pooler@vccsouth18.its.rpi.edu (Robert Peter Poole) says:
>>(And yes, I mean baud, not bps, in this case.  :-)  So if you get 19200 bps
>>unidirectional, don't expect to be able to transfer twice that amount
>>(19200 bps send and 19200 receive) with a bidirectional protocol.
>
>  It should be said that actual experience with protocols such as
>SLIP and DNET have proven that assumption false.  The only limitations I
>have seen are computer and software related, not the modem itself (Except,
>maybe, if you are running a SUPRA V.32bis which is said to not handle
>bi-directional data very well - This I have not personally tested, though).
[plug deleted]
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Well, SLIP and DNET don't send a continuous stream of data in both directions
the way that a protocol like BiModem would.  They don't push the bandwidth
limits NEARLY as hard.  Besides, unless you're doing an FTP 'put' with SLIP,
you're hardly going to be transmitting that much data from your Amiga.

In short: SLIP and DNET (the latter of which is really just a hack, sort of a
poor man's X windows) are not good examples of bidirectional protocols in the
sense that I mean them (that is, sending two streams of data *continuously* as
fast as the modem will allow).

Rob Poole
pooler@rpi.edu
From: Ray_Hines@dream.uucp (Ray Hines)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: UUCP on BBS
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:37:32 GMT
Organization: DreamStates BBS & CyberNet HQ in G'ville, FL   1-904-331-4317

In a message dated Sat 14 Nov 92 12:32, Kellyd@mastro.uucp (kelly Donner)
wrote:

 KD> Lets not forget EXCELSIOR!   Excelsior makes UUCP Hook up very easy,
 KD> no gettyneed and the BBS handles UUCP accounts with ease. A Very fast
and
 KD> easy way to run UUCP (USENET), Excelsior " in my opinon " is the best
and
 KD> easyest for the $....

This is just a rumor, but I would like more information on it -- I heard
from someone saying that since Excelsior is virutally an exact clone of
C-Net (I have seen the demo version and it does seem a lot like C-Net),
that there will be legal action taken by C-Net against Excelsior... Any
info on this?

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From: ged@phantom.cs.hut.fi (Camillo S{rs)
Subject: Supra Silent Answer
Reply-To: Camillo.Sars@hut.fi
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Distribution: comp
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:36:39 GMT

I haven't found any reference to HOW the silent answer option can be
activated in the Supra V.32bis. My modem happily sends RING rows when
somebody calls, which causes my fax softaware to answer. With the
silent answer option, I'd be able to have both voice AND fax on the
same telephone line.

Could someone tell me to WHAT command Supra refers when they say "You
have to be able to edit the modem init string"? I am able to edit it,
but I just don't know WHAT to add!

E-mail replies, too, please.

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From: ottmar@ajberl.adsp.sub.org (Ottmar Roehrig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Amiga, ISDN & ftp
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:11:31 GMT
Reply-To: ottmar@ajberl.adsp.sub.org
Organization: Atelier Roehrig, dcp GmbH
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

A couple of questions open for discussion:

Has anyone ever thought of the possibility to connect an Amiga
through ISDN and via SL/IP to the Internet and use the ftp-command
from the AS225-package to connect to ftp-sites around the world from
within the Shell-window? Is this possible?

What about the dial-up? Does AS225-ftp support this in some kind?

Is there any other package, that might offer this functionalities?
(For the Amiga of course)

And what about an IRC-client for AmigaDOS?

Thanx for a lot of answers

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From: kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org (Jesper Kehlet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: UUCP & fido frontends
Date: 22 Nov 92 01:50:30 GMT
Organization: Compos Mentis Software Systems
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

Hi,

as of now, I run TrapDoor in front of my Star-Net BBS, having to spawn
UUCico to call out.

However, it is so, that some people calls my system for usenet/internet
mail and news.

As it is now, I can only supply them with that if they call me voice prior
to any uucp session and I don't like that.

So, my question is:  how do I set up TrapDoor and getty for exactly that
purpose?

I would like to have GPFax and Star-Net running, too, though Star-Net
crashes if GPFax is up running, but that's another issue.

Please help.  Thanks in advance.


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From: jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999)
Subject: Re: Term 2.4 still misses THE thing that Jr-Comm has!
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not necessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 21:49:20 GMT

Quoth Edward_Swatschek@mindlink.bc.ca (Edward Swatschek):

]> > Jeffrey Grimmett 9999 writes:
]> >
]> > So use JRComm's font with NComm.  Anyone given that a try?
]> 
]>    Yup. Doesn't appear work. The NComm fonts do not appear to have the same
]> graphic characters mapped in the same places as the JRCIBM font.
]> 
]>    Edward_Swatschek@mindlink.bc.ca  \X/   GEnie: E.SWATSCHEK

Ah.  Oh, well, worth a shot.  Sorry...
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From: Q-Bert@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca (Q-Bert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: dnet and Coherent
Distribution: world
Date: 21 Nov 92 17:01:30 EDT
Organization: The QuBE BBS

In a message dated Sat 20 Nov 92 13:44, Jimdawson@cup.portal.com (jim R Daw
wrote:

>Has anyone attempted to use dnet with Coherent, the cheap 80x86 UNIX
>look-alike, or is that too far removed from UNIX to even consider?
>How about Linux?

OK, I have tried to compile DNet with Coherent (old version, non-386) and
it didn't go through...

Here's the reason:  It needs the socket library to work.

I asked Coherent about socket support and it's nogo in the old version and
anybody's guess on their new 386 version.  They told me to wait for
February.

Linux, well Linux is another thing...  I have installed version 0.98.1 this
weekend, and I will be trying to compile DNet once I get GCC running
properly on it.  Linux DOES have the socket capabilities, but since I have
not tried to compile DNet on it yet, who knows...

Bug me so I will keep you informed...

I am also working on a Beta for Etherlink II support on Linux kernal.

TTFN!

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From: jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Term 2.4 still misses THE thing that Jr-Comm has!
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:52:10 GMT
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not necessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.

Quoth Scotty@freemf.UUCP (Scotty):
]> 
]>   Nope - sorry, NComm doesn't do the complete IBM character set.  The
]> special 'game' characters, like card suits and some other
]> low-on-the-ascii-table characters.  JRComm does this nicely.  *(Scotty)*
]> 
]> John (Scotty) Freeland  ---  scotty@freemf.eskimo.celestial.com

So use JRComm's font with NComm.  Anyone given that a try?

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From: aa302@Freenet.carleton.ca (Russell McOrmond)
Subject: Re: XPR mailing list (was Re: XPR-Bidirectional)
Reply-To: aa302@Freenet.carleton.ca (Russell McOrmond)
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:09:33 GMT


In a previous article, pooler@vccnw07.its.rpi.edu (Robert Peter Poole) says:
>In short: SLIP and DNET (the latter of which is really just a hack, sort of a
>poor man's X windows) are not good examples of bidirectional protocols in the
>sense that I mean them (that is, sending two streams of data *continuously* as
>fast as the modem will allow).


  Not having ever considered running any of the protpriatary protocols such
as Bi-modem/etc, I can not comment on them.  When one looks at the modem
lights and if one has an LCD display, the actual 'on the fly bps ratings',
the assumption that Dnet and SLIP don't 'Pump it up' is one that is easily
proven wrong.

  Try doing a SendFile of two large files in both directions with DNet
some time and you might be surprised how well things go.  There have been
extended protocols where the packet size has been increased that will
actually have better DATA rates (IE: More of the actual file sent per amount
of protocol overhead).

P.S. I thought your 'plug deleted' was amusing.  I'm pushing freely available
software, and you seem to be pushing commercial/licence required software.
Who is doing the 'plug'? <grin>

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From: olsen@sourcery.mxm.sub.org (Olaf Barthel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Weird problem with Term 2.4 and CPUblit
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 14 Nov 92 22:12:36 CET
Organization: MXM Barthel & Paesler

In article <jgn1pbq@rpi.edu> pooler@vccsouth29.its.rpi.edu (Robert Peter Poole) writes:
> >   CPUBlit is not a miracle cure. It is capable of moving data around simultaneously
> >in two bitplanes while the operating system would run the blitter on each single
> >bitplane. With a 16 colour screen CPUBlit would require two runs, whereas the
> >operating systemroutines would require four runs.
> 
> Ummm... this does NOT explain why CPUBlit prevents rainbow trailers the first
> time I run Term, then quit it, and does not prevent them when I run Term again.
> This is probably NOT a problem with CPUBlit.  Yes, I agree that CPUBlit is not
> a cure-all.  However, it worked fine before.  Why is it suddenly working
> sometimes with Term and not others?  This sounds rather suspicious to me.
> I've sent you email more explicitly describing what's going on.  Maybe you can
> make use of it.

   You hinted that you were running CPUBlit with Kickstart 3.0. It may be possible
that it suffers from unexpected side-effects not present in Kickstart 2.0. Eddy
Carrol or the graphics software engineers at CBM may be able to tell you more.

> >   If you don't like the rainbow trailers, turn on the `faster layout' switch.
> 
> As you yourself said to me in private email, "faster layout" only works under
> Amigados 3.0... and incidentally, I tried it on an Amiga 3000 running a beta of
> 3.0, and "faster layout" does work -- the scrolling is slightly faster, there
> are no rainbow trailers, BUT the dripens get screwed up, so the embossed 3-D
> look of the beveled boxes and gadgets disappears.  Weird.

   No, thanks to Leo Schwab the interleaved bitmap feature also works with
Kickstart 2.0.

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