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From: ae02022                         
Subject: Re: Car prices in Uk
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:20:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.120150.23641@lut.ac.uk>, C.Wong1@lut.ac.uk (C Wong) writes...
>In article <1992Aug24.155256.9988@sbil.co.uk> jim@spitws117.sbil.co.uk writes:
>>In article l93edtINNo44@spim.mips.com, yhmok@hornet.mips.com (Yeuk-Hai -Shark- Mok) writes:
>>>
>>>	The Sierra RS Cosworth's engine is a typical DOHC 16V with a turbo.
>>>The Sapphire is the one on sale now and it have the same engine with slighty more >output and 4WD.  And the British uses it as Police Car.  It is very expensive in >England, approx 25,000 pounds (near US$50,000).
>>>
>>Fortunately, not that many police forces have Cosworth Sierras :-)
>>
> 
>A mid-range car costs upwards of US$20,000 in the U.K. Something like a Honda
>CRX about US$28,000, a BMW 325i about US$48000 (depending on what 'extras' you
>want !). A Ford 5 door hatch, mid-size Escort 1.6 Ghia will set us back about
>US$26000. The latest Mazda RX7 is reputed to be priced at US$70000 and my
>VW 16v Golf 1990 2nd hand car with 14k miles cost me US$19000 a few months
>ago, I suppose you in the USA could of picked up a new one for that !!!
> 
>regards
>Chun

You bet!! Especially at this exchange rate 1L=1.99$.

Peter

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: edj@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (edward.jung)
Subject: Re: Oh no! Another Club thread! (was: CLUB story)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:45:44 GMT
Summary: Self Defense


The club is also a very useful weapon for hand to hand combat.  If a 
winshield-wiper guy comes up to your car, just whip the club out from
under your seat and wave it around.  A friend of mine who regularly drives
in NYC has many stories of how the threat of the club has saved him
from muggings and the like.

Ed Jung
From: stu@voodoo.boeing.com (Stuart Liddle)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Dealer Service/maintenance (was Haggling with car dealers)
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:09:52 GMT
Reply-To: stu@voodoo.boeing.com
Organization: BoGART System Gadgets

In article <1992Aug28.202612.29164@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, rg@futserv.austin.ibm.com (R.G. Keen) writes:
|> Haggling techniques I have used:	
|>   << many good tips deleted...>>
|> You will hear some noise about the dealer taking better care of you if
|> you bought it through them. Ignore this. The warranty is honored by all 
|> dealers. If I thought a dealer treated others worse because they did not
|> buy from there, I'd go elsewhere.

Is there any good reason for taking your car to a dealer for service/regular
maintenance?  If you know a good mechanic that is trained and knowledgeable
about your make/model car, then why go to a dealer?  Especially if it costs
you more to go to a dealer! 
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Boeing Comp. Svcs..uunet!bcstec!voodoo!stu\ but now seems insane." - Dave Barry
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Info on American Classics Required
From: imf@datamark.co.nz (Ian Franklin)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 01:37:57 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

I need some info on the various classic American cars, generally
sports cars with the view to purchasing one. It looks like I will be
somewhere in the states in '93 and would like to bring a car back with
me when I return to New Zealand.

The info I need is opinons on the best car, prices, best places to buy
(ie states that dont salt the roads) and if conversion kits would be
available to swap from left to right hand drive.

Any advice would be much appreciated.
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Mike Suter)
Subject: Re: LASAR DETECTOR..
Organization: BITS, St. Louis, MO
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 17:37:44 GMT

>   What I meant to say before my line got cut off was that if your state
>has Stalker listed, but with no city or county, it means that the state
>doesn't release the locations where Stalker is used to the public.

Any word on Missouri?  I know for a fact that, at least here in St. Louis,
LIDAR is being tested.  How about Stalker?

Mike
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Xref: sparky rec.autos:20742 rec.autos.tech:11736
From: paraska@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Pete Paraska)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: TOYOTA's timing belt
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:28:06 GMT
Reply-To: paraska@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Peter Paraska)
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos, leonard@aix3090b.uky.edu (Leonard Lauria) writes:
>what about the eclipse/talon/laser?  free wheeling or not?
				      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
NNNNNot!  Plus they are known to go up before the RSM (regularly scheduled
maintenance) period at ~50,000 miles.  Some have been known to go up
at as little as 20,000 miles.  Apparently, the harder you drive these
cars, the quicker they go up.  The parts guy at the Mitsu dealer said
the diameter of the belt tensioner pulley is too small and this is the
cause of the high stress on the belt.  When these belts go, those neat
4-valve-per-piston valves crash with the pistons and the head sometimes
gets wasted.  Glad I have the 5yr/60000mi powertrain warranty on my
Eclipse GSX!!!

>leonard
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>   -This space intentionally left blank.


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From: carmi@ipld01.hac.com (Aviram Carmi)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Seeking advice on a 4x4 under $3K
Summary: Need a reliable 4x4 under $3K
Keywords: advice 4x4 offroad cheap
Date: 2 Sep 92 03:42:03 GMT
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Company - Canoga Park, CA

Hi all,

I really want to buy a 4x4, either a truck with a shell or an SUV.
My budget limits me to about $3K.  I am planing to use the vehicle
for mild offroading (at worst dirt roads in not so good conditions), 
but probably very little if any heavy duty rock hopping.  

I would also take the car for ski trips to the mountains, both locally 
(Los Angeles) and longer trips (Mammoth 700mi RT, Lake Tahoe ~1100mi RT).
So I'll need a car that is reliable enough and will not get me stuck 
in the middle of nowhere during a trip.

I would like to have a vehicle that two people can sleep in the back,
for example when I go camping insdead of pitching a tent, or to save
on motel money, but it is not a must.

I was thinking to look into not too old (84-85) long bed 4x4 pickup 
trucks, but most trucks I looked at cost $5-6K and prices do not drop 
that much for older trucks.   I was not sure about reliability of 
cars more than 10 years old.

Can anybody recomend older but reliable 4x4 vehicles that that fit the 
above criteria?

How about a 4x4 Subaru stationwagon?  How much do they cost?  Can you
take them offroad?

What about a 2WD truck or a stationwagon, can they handle light to
medium offroading and snow/ice and be reliable enough?


Any suggestions and/or comments are more than welcome.

You can reply to the net or e-mail and I'll post a summary.

Thanks in advance,

Aviram Carmi

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From: bdm@druwa.ATT.COM (Brian Millham)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Honda Civic Bashing continues...
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:50:46 GMT

mikeq@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Mike Quigley) writes:
 
>I have a VX that gets an honest 55 mpg and cost me less than 9 k (through
>an auto broker). Top that, Detroit!
 
Ok, park your VX, and let me run into it at 15 MPH with my '76 Eldorado.
I bet that it will top your VX.

BTW, :-) :-)
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (curious vIRgO)
Subject: Barry Drodge or Herb "Mopar Maniac" DaSilva - some info
Summary: Yep, and yet another round of "curious virgo and his FAST women..."
Keywords: speed. top end. Acclaim w/V6. Any ideas??
Organization: Metters Industries, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:09:34 GMT


Anyone can play, but with specific leanings to Barry and Herb,since they
usually are the first to answer my Mopar musings...

My current SO, who has an Infiniti G20, has been reading some of my
postings regarding my ex's RX-7 and top speed(also, she said that I have
a bit of 'splaining to do in regards to 'Why were you with Meredith anyway?'
but I'll save that for alt.romance). Anyhoo, she is curious as to whether
her car can achieve a top speed of 130mph(she's even MORE of an aggressive
driver than Meredith). I'm CURIOUS as to what the true top speed of the
Plymouth Acclaim/Dodge Spirit with V6 is?? These cars seem to REALLy want
to move in final drive. So Barry, Herb, or anyone, can somebody give me an
idea(or exact figure) of the top speed of the Acclaim/Spirit w/V6??

Oh,and if anyone knows, maybe the top speed of an Infiniti G20?? It has
the 2.0L dohc inline-4.

(Yeahyeah...why do I SEEM so attracted to these Shirley Muldowney
 types???)

curious virgo

-- 

Paul "Axel" Virgo
Metters Industries
Arlington, VA 22202
From: paulk@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Paul A Kaastad)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: for sale
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:46:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: tekig7.6742
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.



FOR SALE:  1987 Pontiac TransAm
	   350 EFI
	   4 speed automatic
	   air
	   power steering/brakes
	   tilt/cruise
	   AM/FM/cassette
	   63K miles

	   $7,500

Can be seen in Vancouver. Call (206)254-9550, ask for Paul.
From: PNCSPPC@CCVAX1.CC.NCSU.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Best type of wipers?
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:57:34 GMT

I've never been happy with how well my windshield wipers work.  I've tried
several different brands (standard single blade) over the past few years,
but that didn't seem to make much of a difference.  Since I have to get my
car inspected soon, and I need new wiper blades, I thought I might try once
more to solve this problem.  Do the "European-style" double wipers work any
better than single-blade wipers?  Also, has anyone tried the new
"triple-blade" wipers that supposedly never wear out?  Since my Usenet
newsgroup access is variable I'd appreciate replies by e-mail.  Thanks.

Phil Calvert
 
<Bitnet: pncsppc@ncsuvax / Internet: pncsppc@ccvax1.cc.ncsu.edu>
From: jca@bliss.fibercom.com (James Akers)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: How to plead in Court
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:23:13 GMT
Organization: FiberCom, Inc., Roanoke, Virginia

In article <10910028@hplred.HP.COM> sivaram@hplred.HP.COM (S. Sivaramakrishnan) writes:
>
>Based on the limited data which you posted, I would suggest you plead
>NOT guilty to reckless driving, and no contest to speeding.
>
>Reasons are as follows - it is highly unlikely that you can get the speeding
> [plausible reasons deleted...]
>Good luck
>
>Sivaram
>(415) 948-3398
Just have to add my $.02...  No one has yet pointed out that here in the
Commonwealth, where the State Police is simply the Gestapo of the DMV (which
happens to be in bed with the insurance companies, but that's another story.)
by enforcing the law that states 20mph over the speed limit for all speed
zones except 65 is reckless driving;  15mph over the limit in 65 is reckless
driving.  That's the law.  You want to know how to beat it, really?  
1. Change the drive gear for your speedo to show that it reads 5-10 mph
   _slower_ than the car is really going.  Have it calibrated and certified.
   Fix it back and have it re-calibrated.  (It's really good if you have
   a friend that runs a shop and he/she can write you a reciept for $300
   to repair your speedometer.)  At worst the judge will reduce the speed
   to something that is not reckless, and at best throw it out all together.
2. Call the local area where the court case is going to be held.  Find out
   what political party the judge belongs to.  Hire the local chairman of
   that party to defend your case.  Ahhh, the good 'ol boy network!
Either way, you are out of a few bucks, but hey, at least you won't have
a reckless on your record.  And, oh, don't worry, you have to be _really_
screwing up or have a really bad record for a judge to take your licence
on a reckless.  If you do _both_ of the above, you have a 99.9% chance that
the case will be dropped altogether.  Hey, the local lawyer gets his
money and the judge keeps his job; everyone's happy.

They recently enacted an anti-cruising law at Va. Beach, so if anyone has
any moral qualms about what I have said keep it to yourself.   The system
will eat itself.  Forgive me, I'm having a bad hair day.


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From: ggg@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Gary Goodlund)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:56:13 GMT
Subject: Re: Need Help!
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

Go to your Toyota dealer & get the new drain plug (a decent parts store may
have it in stock).  You probably can use a pair of Vice-Grips to loosen the 
rounded drain plug and remove it.  It will also involve an oil change but   
you can use the same oil again if it's fresh and your drain pan is clean.

It's a pretty simple project, it's just frustrating when some clutz screws 
up your car.

'later,
  Gary
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: LS 400
From: thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 10:45:42 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <AebL3OO00WBNI8CuxG@andrew.cmu.edu> University Entrepreneurs Association <ue33+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>The LS400 is a great car.  It is just as good as people say, but as one
>of the auto mags said "I wonder if they copied the MB300 body design
>freehand, or used tracing paper."

Well, it has a little BMW in it too.

At least it's not as ugly as the MB. It may be copied, but they did it
better! (This is all IMHO of course.)


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bragg@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Aquatic Joe)
Subject: Lotus?
Keywords:  huh?
Organization: The Green Circle Of Vengence
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 23:11:21 GMT

	I saw a Lotus Esprit Jim Clark edition on the road today.  After reading
the article in C&D, I thought it was neat to see something that rare (not much
rare traffic here...lots s' Camaros though!).  It looked pretty gawdy 
considering that it came from and Engligh car company.  I also noticed what C&D
said about the Esprit's BRG.  So the Japanese can do paint better too?
	Anyway, what do you think of the car?


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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: robert@mlacus.oz.au (Robert Irvine)
Subject: Re: CRX vs Del Sol
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 04:28:18 GMT

All figures taken from my owners manual.

The new CRX (designated 1992 CRX in Australia and Del Sol in USA) comes with 
option of three motors.  A single overhead cam 1.6, a dual overhead cam 1.6 and
the dual overhead cam 1.6 VTEC (variable valve timeing).  In Australia, only 
the VTEC engine is available.  The VTEC engine produces 118kw of power at 
7400rpm (redline is 8200) which equates to around 160hp. I do not have figures
for the other engines, but suspect that they will be similar to the old CRX
models.

As to the roof, it is a lightweight section that can be quickly removed, and
stored in it's own holder in the boot.  The operation can be quickly performed
in a minute or so.  The automatic roof will not be available in Australia,
probably due to a marketing decision which targets the small sports car market
in Australia, to compete with the Ford Capri (popular in the USA under a 
different name and manufacturer), the Nissan NX (and NX-R) coupe (the EXA     
replacement) and the Mazda MX5.  The power roof adds(according to one review)
around 50kg.   

As to performance, reviews here have the CRX handling on a par with the MX5,
and the performance, ahead of the other 'toy racers'.  Reviews have the VTEC
Australian model, able to do 0-100km/h (0-60mph) in 8.4 sec, and the quarter
mile in 14.2 sec.  Top speed is said to be 213km/h.

Top speed in each gear is as follows, -

1st	52km/h	32mph
2nd	90km/h	56mph
3rd	135km/h	84mph
4th	185km/h	115mph
5th	Top speed.

I can vouch for the first three gears, but redline in 4th and 5th have still
proved difficult to find in Melbourne, although I have seen 150km/h with just 
5000rpm in top.

In Australia, there are only four colours available, these are

red (the one I picked)
samba green (sort of a metelic lime green (yuk!!))
white (not bad)
blue (a sort of sky blue)

Hope all this gives people a little more information.

p.s. in Australia, the list price is $32990.  Add another $2100 for
air-conditioning, $720 for a rear spoiler, and $800-1000 for the CD changer.


Robert Irvine

Australian Center for Unisys Software  (ACUS)  Melbourne, Victoria.
From: jgraham@bio.indiana.edu (Jim Graham)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Carburetors, gasoline, and why I don't recycle
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:20:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: end.jgraham-030992111615
Followup-To: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,misc.consumers,sci.environment,talk.environment,misc.invest
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Sep3.043346.22242@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, markr@mot.com
(Mark) wrote:

> Well, I am a little confused, there must be a whole lot of people,
> like you, who believe that ultra efficient engines running on
> alternative fuels are possible and cost-effective, so why don't you
> get together and invest money into the technology and possibly make
> a fortune ?
> 
> It's been a few years since I've seen a startup in alternative fuels.
> 
> Mark

Your confusion stems from your concept of "cost-effectiveness". It is tied
to a rather limited view of the possibilities as contrained by the current
economic framework here in the U.S.

If such progress were made, the driving force would not come from a few
individuals trying to "make a fortune". That is the problem rather than the
solution.

Jim
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: chung@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Vicente Chung)
Subject: Re: Nissan Quest or Mecury Villager (Mini-Vans) Info
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 13:01:07 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

I just went to the Nissan Dealer last night and test drove the Quest.  The
outside style kind of remind me of the Caravan, but more refined.  The
interior styling is pretty good and I like the seating arrangements.  I like the
front wheel drive and the front engine mount for easy home-mechanic maitainance. 
According to their sales literature, it is a domestic car (75% of parts made in
USA) and it has passed all government regulations for a passenger car which only
this car and the Previa has.  It has a motorized seat belt but no air bag.  The
interior space seems bigger than the Mazda but the Previa definitely has more
room.  It drives pretty much like a car.  The V6 Maxima engine provides adequate
power.  The dual air conditioner is better than any minivan I have seen.  The
instrument panel seems well laid out and easy to reach.  The air conditioning
controls seems a little cluttered.  It was hard to see from the driving position
which buttom did what.  When I was test driving it, the instrument light went out
on me.  Looks like a fuse blew when I was fooling around with all those buttoms.

The model I tested was a XE with the Power and Convenience Package and the dual
air.  Their list price was $19,500.

Question: Does the price of a new car on its first year stays pretty low?  Does
manufacturer do any first year incentives like that to get market penetration? 
Does prices are guarantee to go up after their marketing goals are meet?

V. Chung  in tropical Minnesota.
From: paraska@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Pete Paraska)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Subaru woes
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:02:56 GMT
Reply-To: paraska@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Peter Paraska)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos, bernstei@tcoasb (Andrew Bernstein) writes:
>You won't here me complaining........
>
.............Lots of hurrah! hurrah! for Subarus deleted............

If Subaru would only put some muscle under the hood, I might buy one....
..........nah!
>Andrew....
>bernstei@next3.corp.mot.com

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gayla Ann Greis)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the Dealer.
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:21:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.165407.690@vela.acs.oakland.edu> minnebo@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Brian P. Minnebo) writes:

>The only advantage I see with outside financing (after bargaining is
>done with) is you still get the rebate.  The rebate usually does not
>apply with dealer financing.

Huh? Financing with the dealer doesn't mean financing with Chrysler. It
also doesn't mean that you will take the finance rate over the rebate.
You get one or the other, agreed. But that has no bearing on who writes
the loan. (Unless you are taking the low rate.)

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence Leong)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: honda mailing list
Date: 26 Aug 92 09:21:20 GMT
Organization: HP Singapore

In rec.autos, liys@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:

|Does  anyone have info on the Honda mailing list?
|
|Jason
|
info-honda-request@cs.ucla.edu ==> request to be on mailing list
info-honda@cs.ucla.edu ==> mailing list

lawrence