From: cwarren@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.politics
Date: 20 Dec 92 23:15 EST
Subject: Against Capitalist Anarchy
Nf-ID: #N:peg:996200279:000:7327
Nf-From: peg.pegasus.oz.au!cwarren    Dec 20 23:15:00 1992



            
            Capo-anarchy and electronic pollution
            
            Enough is enough.  We live in a modern civilised society
            where this sort of misunderstood anarchist/crypto-
            capo/laissez-faire/free market "bullshit" (Brian May's
            descriptor) is totally irrelevant.  It is only peddled by
            a few eccentrics for the sake of obtaining reaction from
            others.  It is similar to the kitchen-corner drunk at
            parties, seeking an audience by prattling-on loudly and
            endlessly, defending the flat-earth theory.  Good fun at
            times but not in aus.politics.
            
            We also suffer these reaction seekers at election times
            for example when non-entities set up joke candidates such
            as "Deadly Serious Party", "Monarchist Party" and "Sun
            ripened warm tomato party".  It may appear to be good fun
            but it also indicates a susceptibility for novelty in
            others which can be exploited by some very weird
            individuals.
            
            If our idiot is merely expressing "its opinion in its
            opinion???? (sic)"  and not claiming any relevance to
            Australian society then his twaddle has no right to be
            posted in this forum: aus.politics.  Such "absolute
            crapola" (Marty Gleeson's apt description) should be
            relegated to some other conference such as talk.bizarre
            or oz.weird.  Here, in aus.politics, such material
            amounts to nothing less than electronic pollution.  Real
            anarchists of distinction such as Chomsky have the
            honesty to run their own seperate conferences such as
            chomsky.views.  Why can't capo-anarchists (like our
            idiot) piss off and do the same, if they are NOT talking
            about Australian politics.
            
            If our idiot has something specific to say about
            Australian politics then lets see it.
            
            While I am not going to rise to each bait deposited other
            than to say the ideological droppings from this singular
            source, so far aptly described as bullshit and crapola,
            are just that.  Only a child would engage in such ideo-
            scatological play.
            
            Boyd Roberts earlier quoted Feyerabend, and this quote
            very neatly sums-up the nature of anarchist "bullshit"
            and why we have to suffer it.  The quote was;
            
            "...the epistemological anarchist has no compunction to
            defend the most trite, or most outrageous statement...he
            may use reason, emotion, ridicle, an 'attitude of serious
            concern' and whatever other means have been invented by
            humans to get the better of their fellow men.  His
            favourite pastime is to confuse rationalists...There is
            no view, however 'absurd' or 'immoral', he refuses to
            consider or act upon, and no method is regarded as
            indispensable."
            
            Matters get even more threatening when such anarchists
            take up politics.  They then develop full-blown
            stupidity.  They put their own self before and above and
            therefore against, society, and they try to justify their
            stance by vexatious claims to "value judgements" and
            personal opinion such as we all have.  What rot,

            fascists, flat-earthers and Jehova's Witnesses all claim
            this, but would you want to live under their version of
            Australia?
            
            Its nice for idiots to have value judgements and opinions
            but unless they are going to take public responsibility
            for them, they should keep them private.  If they choose
            to make them public then they can not protest when some
            quite justifiably take offence at what they (tactically)
            claim are mere "personal opinions".  They loose this
            recourse - tough.
            
            Obviously our ideological idiot is not even aware when it
            is best to keep quiet.
            
            We live in advanced civilised society which has emerged
            out of periods of exceptional violence during the fuedal
            and colonial periods, and through this century.  What
            anarchists and some liberals like to call "lassiz-faire"
            has never existed in its own right but on the backs of
            defeated enemies, slaves and indigenous peoples.
            Liberalism emerged in pre-revolutionary France and was a
            complete, unmitigated disaster (drowned in blood).
            
            Anarchism has some good principles (eg anti-bureaucracy,
            and self-actualisation) but not in the hands of
            extremists or what is worse, capo-anarchists.  The free
            market has some good points but also not in the hands of
            capo-anarchists.  Capitalism (which capo-anarchists
            proselytize about endlessly) is under all circumstances
            abhorrent and now, practically exhausted.
            
            Capo-ideologues try to ingratiate people to capitalism by
            disguising it as the free-market, liberalism or whatever.
            Needless to say the free-market and liberalism can exist
            in a modern mixed economy and even in a future socialist
            economy.  They certainly existed in pre-capitalist forms
            of political economy.
            
            If the capitalist free market was to determine everything
            much of this discussion would be impossible because most
            contibuters would have to pay for their individual access
            and account for their worktime.  I'm sure that our idiot
            has not contracted with whoever gives him his wages or
            stipend, to spend time and resources on private pursuits.
            As far as I'm aware, only Pegasus users pay their own
            way, for their own computers, modems, telecom lines,
            online time, and electricity.  But its the free-market
            free-loaders who shout most about anarchy and market
            forces.
            
            In a modern society with a large population and a huge
            appetite for resources the only sensible form of society
            is some form of moderately regulated economy based on,
            natural rates of profit, natural rates of wages, and
            natural prices.  Essential to this is a democratic social
            contract where the rights of the weak who do not want to
            act as individuals, are not extinguished by arrogant
            elites who seek licence to act only as individuals in
            society at large.
            
            Free markets and liberalism (with equality), are not the
            problem.  Capitalism is the problem.  In a recession,
            anarco-capitalism is the threat.
           
            
            
            CHRIS WARREN
            
            20 December 1992.
            
            



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