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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Fidonet editorals
Date: 13 Sep 92 23:19:04 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

bheess@mcws.fidonet.org (Brian L. Heess) writes:

>davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

>> murph@buscard.fidonet.org (Brian Murphy) writes:
>> 
>> [* editorials by Jennings and Henderson omitted *]
>> 
>> Thanks for putting up the Fidonet editorials. I guess I should have
>> read them before because FidoNews arrives on Aegis but never felt
>> any inclination to read them after the first few.... 

>There is ALSO a newsgroup called comp.org.fidonet, in which EVERY
>issue of FidoNews gets published!  It gets here via the newsgroup
>before I have time to track it down locally...

Yes, it's on Aegis OK but like I said I gave up reading it is
as it seemed to go on and on about political/personality problems
that I neither have, nor want.

But I've recently become interested in FTN (Fidonet Technology
Networks) which seem to be running on a different basis....

Dave

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: ekimmina@pms240.pms.ford.com (Eric Kimminau)
Subject: Fidonet from a regional hubs POV	
Keywords: Fido
Organization: The Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 11:38:52 GMT

Im a fidonet regional hub. 1:120/2310, node 1:120/335 as well as the Michigan regional host and Detroit Hub for another "fidonet" style echomail network called ITCNet. Ive been doing the "netmail" thing for about 2 years now in this way, and to say that the Internet style of mail is "more efficient" is shall we say an understatement the size of oh, the continent of Africa. 


I have several users on my BBS from south Africa. We wanted to try to keep in touch via netmail through the fidonet, but to say that it was a feat for a team of engineers would be an equal understatement. After 3-4 months of trying to route through countless systems, I received an unexpected message one afternoon 6 weeks! late. Could any of you imagine receiving an Internet message after 6 weeks?

Anyway, I supply routed netmail through my system, and I am in process of trying to work gating of Internet newsgroups into and out of my bbs, while keeping the Fido style bases intact. If any of you could help by recommending a document or software package (DOS based) that would tutor me on the requirements, I would really appreciate it. 

Fidonet does have one advantage over Internet news. It doesnt take as much harddrive space. 


-- 
Eric Kimminau
(ekimmina@pms860.pms.ford.com)
(Just Another Contractor At Ford)
122-4A ECC Bldg (313)59-42672
Ford Motor Co.

Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.allsysop,alt.bbs.internet
From: swalter@nyx.cs.du.edu (DreamWeaver)
Subject: Re: GEnie Connection
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:38:22 GMT


Andy states:

> This is the first official one.  Another GEnie sysop and myself
> have run gateways previously with varying amounts of traffic as
> a learning experience & service to GEnie users.  Another piece
> of trivia which helped support the idea that there is a viable
> market for an Internet connection.

I remember that, Andy ... reading some material about it from somewhere
(you may remember me:  STARSOFT (Scotty)? ... I'm not there anymore, as
the whole thing kida fell through).

'Tis good to see GEnie finally joining the fray ... I remember discussion
about "when" going on for what seemed like years.

-Scotty
From: Robert.Presland@helldisk.helldisk.helldisk (Robert Presland)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Global Wars online game
Date: 13 Sep 92 00:04:28 GMT


 BtM> Does anyone have a version of Global Wars online game 
 BtM> for the IBM that I can
 BtM> leach... or know where I can get one!

I have GWAR242.ZIP available for fido f'req. 1:243/27.
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: TBBS/TDBS/UNIX - Price of a BBS
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 11:49:42 GMT

bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser) writes:

>larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>>The cost of the UNIX (as low as $495) and using free software.
>>The user also gets:
>>nfs, tcp-ip, support for unlimited users, support for the execution
>>of UNIX, XENIX and DOS applications by any user connected to the system
>>full development is also included

>$495 for DELL 2.2 unlimited user including full development set?

2 user (add another $200 for unlimited users) and Yes, it
does include a FULL DEVELOPMENT SET (and TCP/IP, NFS, the fastest
X server for Intel machines, etc)..

Dell SVR4 4.0 is the most complete SVR4 release available today -
and the fastest

-- 
Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
From: elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Fidonet sux, fee for access. (was Sad to say...)
Keywords: Fidonet
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 09:06:37 CDT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

murph@buscard.fidonet.org (Brian Murphy) writes:

> > You've hit the nail on the head.  Many sysops these days are amateurs but n
> > hobbyists.  Maybe if you had some ex-phreakers or at least a couple of guys
> > knew something about how the phone system works, what you're looking for
> > shouldn't be impossible.
>
> I hope I didn't come off as suggesting anything illegal like phreaking.  For
> us in New England, it was more of a common sensical thing.  We have strings o
> computers going from just about one end of our region to the other.  Just a
> simple matter of thinking about things for a bit and you could see how sendin
> echomail all around wasn't such a big thing.

Oh, I wasn't saying that you want to set up a net based on illegal connections.
It's just that phreakers are the best people to figure out how to go about even
a *legal* connection, since their hobby (sometimes their entire life) revolves
around the phone system.

>
> Netmail (direct e-mail), though, was quite another thing.  It is beyond me wh
> Fidonet's sysops don't offer mail to their users more than they do.  In fact,
> it is the rare system who allows unlimited netmail!  Unbelievable!  They're
> all afraid that it's going to cost them some money or some such.  <sigh>  In
> the Internet, of course, direct mail is de rigueur.

That's one of the reasons I gave up on it.  I kept telling people I knew in
other cities that they could netmail me via a local bbs, only for them to tell
me that the sysops didn't allow it!  That was when it was time to stop being a
gateway.  It was obvious I was doing double work for little return.

>
> > The politics in fido can be a real bear.  Nothing beats net.anarchy, IMHO.
>
> Heh, I'm no stranger to anarchy.  Remember our old V-Net days?  <grin>
>

That's when it was at its best!



|Edward J. Branley                         elendil@mintir.New-Orleans.LA.US|
|Seashell Software                                UUCP:  rex!mintir!elendil|
|3508 North Woodlawn Avenue                          Compu$erve: 71237,2227|
|Metairie, LA   70006       voice: +1-504-455-5087     bbs: +1-504-455-8665|
From: Robert.Presland@helldisk.helldisk.helldisk (Robert Presland)
Sender: FredMail@helldisk.helldisk.helldisk
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Test
Date: 11 Sep 92  18:26:42 EST

Can you see this?
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Fidonet sux, fee for access. (was Sad to say...)
Keywords: Fidonet
Date: 7 Sep 92 14:09:06 GMT
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745

murph@buscard.fidonet.org (Brian Murphy) writes:

>I think Larry's right when he say's one "matures" out of Fidonet.  Being an
>amateur network as it is, a conscientious system operator really struggles to
>get the most efficient service out of that network.

Too many politics -- ever notice that usenet offers a higher
quality product without the politics?   

>these "old boys" raised a "Policy Complaint" that I wouldn't drop the subject

Policy Complaint -- gosh -- we don't have those here 

-- 
Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
From: 00cchall@bsu-ucs.uucp (Chael Hall)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: ChaelBoard
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:23:45 GMT

In article <9209100151.AA18830@nyx.cs.du.edu>, tryder@NYX.CS.DU.EDU (Trevathon Ryder) writes:
> How about making it available for FTP?!!?


     I believe I said in my last post about ChaelBoard that I'm going to
upload it to wuarchive next time I get near a computer on the campus ethernet.
Hang on for a day or two, please!  I'll post when it has been uploaded.  If
there is another site you or anyone else would prefer, it only takes about 2
minutes to FTP it there.

Chael
00CCHALL@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu
From: pbohannon@npal.rn.com
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Galacticom
Date: 13 Sep 92 20:14:15 GMT
Organization: PalNet -- Indianapolis, Indiana

In article <memo.620645@cix.compulink.co.uk>, pands@cix.compulink.co.uk (P & S Ltd - Accounts Dept) writes:
> Does anyone have a contact for,  or information about Galacticom?

You can call the following two BBS's in INDIANAPOLIS, IN. USA or I can ask them
to mail some things for you if you like:
Gabline - 1-317-471-4067
Gunner's Grotto - 1-317-895-6758 (if busy, contact me, because 16 lines should
be going up in about 2 weeks)

Hope this helps,
Patrick T. Bohannon
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: pwhite@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Patricia White)
Subject: Westchester County/NYC access question
Reply-To: pwhite@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Patricia White)
Organization: Columbia University User Services
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:56:58 GMT


My account here is going to get nuked in a few days so I was wondering
if somebody out there could email me some phone numbers of BBS's in
the 914/212/718 area codes.

I do have some requirements, however, as I'd still like to send email
to friends still in school and I'm addicted to reading news
(rec.*/alt.*).  Telnet ability would be nice but mail and news are key
-- for me, at any rate.

Thanks!

-Patricia White
 pwhite@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.allsysop
Subject: Telegard help needed!
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:29:03 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

HELP!

I am setting up telegard 2.7 (the 1991 version) to have seperate message areas
for men and women. Does anyone know the syntax for the flags so that
I can restrict each, while still keeping users w/low access out?
 
DC

Newsgroups: alt.bbs.allsysop
From: waitd@columbia.dsu.edu (Darrin K. Wait)
Subject: Looking for Wildcat sysops.
Keywords: WILDCAT BBS CHAT FILES SYSOP SYSOPS
Organization: Dakota State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:16:36 GMT

Hello Netters:
    I am a Wildcat Sysop and I would like to know if there are any other
Wildcat Sysops that have Internet access.  If so I would like to know if you
would be willing to use INTERNET mail and FTP to trade files, both BBS
utilites and anything else that cannot be found on the Internet.
    I would also like to chat and have someone to ask questions about the 
BBS, how to handle bad users and the such.
    If anyone is interested please E-Mail me at either of the following E-Mail
addresses.
         NELSENDA@COLUMBIA.DSU.EDU
         WAITD@COLUMBIA.DSU.EDU

Darrin (DK) Wait
Dan Nelsen

The Superior BBS
605-256-5493
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.allsysop
Subject: Matchmaker software sought
Date: 14 Sep 92 06:53:27 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

Does anyone out there know where to pick up a copy of a MatchMaker door,
or any BBS software that has it built in?

DC
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.allsysop
Subject: Re: New Zealand Access
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (dogbowl)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 19:49:09 Y
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS
Keywords: New Zealand Internet Access 
Summary: whereabouts in New Zealand???

jmoody@netcom.com (Jim Moody) writes:

> I need some information.  My son is living in New Zealand, and I would like t
> know if anyone knows if there is any way that he can access the Internet
> there.  Are there any public access programs like Netcomm and that sort of 
> thing here?

There are public access Usenet BBS's in New Zealand, but you havn't specified
where he lives - he could be anywhere from Kaitaia to Invercargill.



dogbowl at The Dawghaus BBS  ( +64 6 357-9245 )


Newsgroups: alt.bbs.allsysop
From: jmoody@netcom.com (Jim Moody)
Subject: New Zealand Access
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 20:49:26 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Summary: Need access from New Zealand
Keywords: New Zealand Internet Access 

I need some information.  My son is living in New Zealand, and I would like to
know if anyone knows if there is any way that he can access the Internet
there.  Are there any public access programs like Netcomm and that sort of 
thing here?

You can either answer here, or call me at (415) 978-3289

Thanks

-- 
Jim Moody	jmoody@netcom.com	(415) 978-3289
===================================================================
    "The mystery does not get clearer by repeating the question"
         "nor is it bought by going to amazing places"*
                                                          Rumi
==================================================================     
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.allsysop
From: bryce@sdf.lonestar.org (Bryce Hamm)
Subject: WWIV Nets, A Question
Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 01:05:33 GMT

I am running a new BBS, (about 4 months now) running WWIV 4.21a
(multi-net support WWIV) i was looking into different nets,
and i was wanting to know if there are any nets out there i DONT
know about, the one's i am aware of is IceNET and WWIVlink, if
there are any others out there could someone please send me an
application to the net your in so i can take a look at what the
net is..

bryce@sdf.lonestar.org

Newsgroups: alt.bbs.allsysop
From: bryce@sdf.lonestar.org (Bryce Hamm)
Subject: NEW WWIV NET!
Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 01:09:10 GMT

There is a NEW net called EliteNET, it is NOT A PIRATE NET,
it is a new WWIV net that 
only allows 5 boards per area code it is really nice
if anyone wants some info either mail me, OR call the Home BBS,
Jamacia Joe's +1 214 240 5742
Tell Them That Baphomet sent you about EliteNET

bryce@sdf.lonestar.org
From: elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Sad to say...
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 07:58:44 CDT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

> How about some details on what you mean by 'fidonet networking':

The current term you'll find in the docs of programs like BinkleyTerm (a
fidonet-compatible comm package) is 'fidonet technology.'  There's still only
one 'Fidonet (tm),' which is fidonet.org in this world, but there are bunches
of 'fidonet technology' networks, meaning they use the same comm programs, same
mail processing packages, etc., but the nodes that are linked are not part of
Fidonet.

>
> Do you mean you are part gated to and/or a part of Fidonet?
> (I think not.)

This concept gets confusing, since many of the comm/mailer packages that do
fidonet-technology can be set up to accomodate a site that's in multiple
networks.  This means that a node can take calls from nodes in different nets
with the same software.  The user calling that BBS sees it all, which can lead
to confusion.

>
> Do you mean you use the Fidonet network transport protocol?
> (I think so.)

See above.  Yeah, that's what makes these nets so easy to form up.  It also
accounts for the rapid growth of many of the more popular ones.  Since joining
a net is merely a matter of some modifications to the config files of an
existing site, it's really easy to add another one on.

>
> Do you mean you use the Fidonet administrative policy document (no
> idea.)
>

Most of the 'OtherNets' have their own policy documents.  Some are modelled
after Fidonet, others are radically different.  Some have very little written
policy at all.



>Edward J. Branley         elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us<
>Seashell Software, Metairie, LA            +1-504-455-5087<
From: rjus@uonline.com (ren_just)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: TBBS/TDBS/UNIX - Price of a BBS
Date: 7 Sep 92 13:15:16 GMT
Organization: Just Computers!

As the other thread is getting a bit long between myself, Larry Snyder and
others.  Larry Snyder is proposing that TBBS is too expensive of a solution
for a BBS and suggests that UNIX is both cheaper and provides a better
solution.  At least I believe that is what he is trying to say in summary (Larry
please interject).

I am proposing for the majority of BBS uses, most people don't need to use
Lotus, WordPerfect and connect to nets and so forth.

Larry, could you please provide a price for a UNIX system to do the following:
 
Run up to 16 users
Allow the use of a database system of some sort
Be inexpensive to maintain
Be inexpensive to set-up
Be inexpensive to upgrade

Using TBBS/TDBS which would meet the above criteria, the software costs
would be as follows:

DOS -            $ 49.95
TBBS 16 user -    895.00
TDBS 16 user -    995.00
QEMM 386           59.95
                 -------
                 1999.99
                 =======

The above are list prices and would be less on the streets.  Larry please
provide a price of what UNIX would cost for the OS and the database manager.
I think it will give the folks reading this a true price comparison.
 
Randy Just
uonline@infoserv.com
From: fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Big Brother BBS policies
Date: 12 Sep 92 14:57:22 GMT
Organization: Right Bleedin' Church of Libertine Obfuscatology

In <BuFMp8.7vo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:

>So anyone who would try to avoid having his computer seized for
>something  that was the fault of another is a "fucking pig"?  Your
>stupidity has no bounds, fnord@panix...  It would be justice if you were
>shut down because some jerk sent you some "phreak" information.  Perhaps
>then you'd feel differently about what a "fucking pig" is.

No, you moron.  Of course you don't let illegal information stay on your
computer.  Of course you don't let a user who posts illegal information
stay on your computer.  But if you take the initiative and inform the
police about that person, then you most certainly ARE a "fucking pig"

-- 
    / \      Reverend fnord                 | "King Kong died for your sins!"
   /   \     fnord@panix.com                | 
  / <0> \                                   | "Don't just eat a hamburger, 
 /_______\   Church of Obfuscatology, Inc.  |  eat the HELL out of it!"
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Re2: TBBS/TDBS/UNIX - Price of a BBS
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:37:46 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

>peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser) writes:

>>rjus@uonline.com (ren_just) writes:

>>>Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that TBBS and TDBS can be installed with only
>>>about 5 MB free.
>>Oh wow! Linux only needs 3M for the basic system. And 15M if you want to
>>have the C/C++ compiler and other goodies as well. The 3M installation
>>includes everything you need for a basic multi-line multi-user system like
>>a shell, an editor, login, etc.

Oh WOW! You mean the time you spend trying to fit things into a small 
space is worth less to you than the adding another 50 MB? That's great!

At even $5/MB it's about 50 hours of flipping burgers someplace and
I've spent at least 4 times that trying to fiddle/cut/compress and
generally deal with small amounts of hard disk space... 

>But remember, TBBS/TDBS is only a bulletin board with a built in database
>manager -- while Linux is a complete operating system -- there is quite
>a difference

That's another story but one that probably applies to the memory
situation if it swaps to disk. Just think of how many (billions of?)
hours people have invested in trying to get what they want to run in
only 640K. Again, considering what a non-brain dead OS costs these
days IMHO it's less work to flip burgers some place and buy one.

Maybe it' some kind of "My blivet is better than yours" syndrome.
You know blivets don't you? 10 lbs of sh*t is a 5 lbs bag....

Sorry for the silliness, just couldn't resist :-)

Dave

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: TBBS/TDBS/UNIX - Price of a BBS
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:24:36 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

>rjus@uonline.com (ren_just) writes:

>>Larry, could you please provide a price for a UNIX system to do the following:
>> 
>>Run up to 16 users
>>Allow the use of a database system of some sort
>>Be inexpensive to maintain
>>Be inexpensive to set-up
>>Be inexpensive to upgrade

>The cost of the UNIX (as low as $495) and using free software.

>The user also gets:
>nfs, tcp-ip, support for unlimited users, support for the execution
>of UNIX, XENIX and DOS applications by any user connected to the system

>full development is also included

>>Using TBBS/TDBS which would meet the above criteria, the software costs
>>would be as follows:

>>DOS -            $ 49.95
>>TBBS 16 user -    895.00
>>TDBS 16 user -    995.00
>>QEMM 386           59.95
>>                 -------
>>                 1999.99
>>                 =======


>hmmm -- 1999.99 -- a tad bit expensive

>check this out:

[* Incredibly long, but very intersting details omitted *]

Just one thing I'd like to add. Assuming the licensing for Dell UNIX
is the same as ISC (please correct me if I'm wrong), you don't need
to have an unlimited user license to run any number of instances of
a BBS-like user interface like Waffle. 

Here's how it works: you set up Waffle (or whatever) to fire up when
somebody logs on with a generic account like 'bbs'. The Waffle puts
up it's own Login: prompt and they login with their user-specific
account. As far as the OS is concerned, there is just one 'user'
(the generic account) logged in many times and the licensing applies
to multiple users, not multiple instances of the same user.  Eh
voila! You have a umlimited-line BBS running under UNIX with a 2
user license! 

Of course you can't give them individual shell accounts and let them
things that require them to have their own file permissions but, 
still, its a way to move onto UNIX at low cost and then add the
unlimited user license later....

Dave

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: agb001@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Annoying Users...
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:10:09 GMT

I have to ask the question, but does any other people find that there are
certain people who keep getting deleted, then get on a BBS under a fake account
and then seem to endlessly try to make a mockery of the intentions of the BBS?

Are there any precautions that I could be advised to and also is there any
legal approach to this? (This has been going on for almost a year and a half.)

Thanks everyone...

Tony Bossaller
AGB001@acad.drake.edu
ParaPsykotic (DSW)
From: se110@di-fcul.fc.ul.pt (Grupo 10 - SE I)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: help
Date: 14 Sep 1992 09:20:03 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


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