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From: rrmadiso@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Richard Madison)
Subject: Need Jays Play-Off Tix
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:17:09 GMT


I am looking for 6 Jays World Series Ticket.  Don't Matter When.  Don't Matter
Where.

Reply To:

rrmadiso@descartes.waterloo.edu

Thanks

Richard

(Actually, they should be for home games ...   :)

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: billones@grebyn.com (Jeremy Billones)
Subject: Re: Designated Hitter Rule (was Australian Novice Asks Dumb Questions)
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:56:40 GMT

<RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> writes:
>an interesting side note is this: when the dh rule first went into effect,
>earl weaver would list a starting pitcher (who wasn't pitching that day)
>as his dh.  when the guy was due at the plate for the first time, he would
>pinch hit with a real hitter.  he did this so that, say a righty was starting
>for the other team.  say he got pulled only a couple of batters into the
>game, and was replaced by a lefty.  he then wouldn't have to waste his
>righty-hitting dh by replacing him with his lefty-hitting dh.  he would
>just list a useless (that day) pitcher as dh, and pinch-hit with whoever
>was appropriate.

>after this happened a few times, a rule was passed prohibiting it.

>does anyone know exactly what the anti-earl rule is?

The exact section of the rule states that the starting DH must bat at least
one time in the game, unless the starting pitcher is removed before he
comes to bat.  In that event, he may be substituted for (but has
played, and may not reenter).

Jeremy Billones				billones@grebyn.com
From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: NLCS Game 7 -- Incredible !!
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:39:08 GMT
Reply-To: marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.2 PL6]

: 	Am I nuts, or are there any other followers of sports
: that find that this was a very exciting, unpredictable game
: which was played rather poorly on both sides of the plate?

In this respect, not unlike Game 7 of last years World Series.  Decent pitching
and little else to distinguish it from a close game in the local softball
league.  But that's perfectly fine with me.  I value exciting and unpredictable
almost as much as good play.  And of course you did overlook

- Great performance by Drabek, even if you count the King/Lemke double play as
  pure luck (which of course it was)
- Decent performance by Smoltz
- Great catch by Van Slyke
- Justice (?) cuts down Van Slyke (?) in close play at the plate
- the final play

: (6)  Pinch hitting Sanders at all

Problem with this?  He was, this year, one of the best hitters the Braves had
by any objective measure, and he came rather close to parking one.

: 	this shouldn't go down as a good comeback.
: 	This should go down as a great choke.

You'll certainly be jumped on for this, but I'll try to be diplomatic.
What exactly then is the difference?  When one team overcomes a deficit, how
do you decide whether it was a "good comeback" by the winners or a "great
choke" by the losers?  This is just a "half empty or half full" question.

--
Marc Sabatella
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose)
Subject: Re: In Defence of Fair-Weather Fans
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 22:49:49 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Huh?  The rhyme scheme was all wrong.  And the cadence was off.  I think you've
got to go back to the drawing board on this one.  I can't see it gracing the 
next "Fireside Book of Baseball".  Maybe if you threw in an unexplained murder,
or a car chase, or something like that...

-- 
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) * kbos@carina.unm.edu * Make outs, not walks!
Keeper of the R.S.BB FAQ, and Junior Stathead {tm} * Maintainer, R.S.BB Archive
Be kind. Don't flame the mediots. * Look, stupid comments are funny!'-R. Lustig
I'd rather see Doug Dascenzo pitch than suffer through John Burkett's batting..
From: RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: jack morris, pitching to the score. the sequel.
Date: 8 Oct 92 03:34:16 GMT

ninth inning, alcs game one.  tie score.  jack's a winner, so jack is left
in the game.  the baine guy promptly cranks a dinger.

virtually no other pitcher would've been left in the game to start the
ninth in such an important game after giving up three runs in eight innings.

so, any toronto fans happy with the fact that jack's "winner" reputation
probably cost toronto the game?
From: thornley@milli.cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Top of 9 may have been it
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:57:38 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

In article <1992Oct15.163956.19040@news.acns.nwu.edu> erude@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Erick Rudiak) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.093308.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca>, pmorris@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>|> It certainly was one of the most exciting games I have ever seen. Most 
>|> previous posters have commented on the dramatics of the bottom of the
>|> ninth, but we shouldn't ignore what transpired in the top of the inning.
>
>[Justices' throw might have been extremely important - if the game had gone
> into extra innings, there wasn't a second baseman left.]

Actually, didn't Hunter pinch-hit for Berryhill (and weakly pop out)?
Therefore, the outfield and left side of the infield would be normal,
Cabrera would have caught, and Hunter and Bream could have arm-wrestled for
the first base job, loser playing second.

Further, assuming that Bream had been out at the plate (it was a pretty
close play), would somebody have been available to pinch-hit for the
leadoff pitcher in the 10th?

David Thornley
"Consider the princes of Germany, secure in their independence by the
perfection of their defenses.  Consider the pirates of Pittsburgh and
their second baseman." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Bonds Testy
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:19:50 GMT

In article <8OCT199213113291@cats.ucis.vill.edu> mcclure@cats.ucis.vill.edu (MCCLURE HAROLD) writes:
>
>Kurt Bose must have misheard the CBS guy's question in the same way that 
>Barry Bonds did. In postseason, he was in a slump.

What is the meaning of a slump that extends over three years?  How
does an AB last year have any effect on an AB this year?  I can
understand claiming that Bonds folds under the pressure of the
post-season, (though I disagree; I think he simply can't hit the
Braves pitching).  But calling it a "slump" is silly.

>Yes, he did get a hit 
>yesterday and they did score in one run, but it was quickly a meaningless
>inning when the Braves jumped up 13-4.

It wasn't meaningless when he got the hit.  He got his team back into
the game.  They just didn't stay in the game for long.

>I would bet the ranch that Jim Leyland wished he had Pendleton over Bonds
>for the next couple of games.

If Leyland is thinking like that, it is no wonder the Pirates are
losing!  I can't imagine a more negative attitude.

-Valentine
-- 
Make outs, not walks!					tedward@cs.cornell.edu
Clemens four Cy Young!
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From: dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Boston's outfield
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:50:16 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Oct9.150744.4549@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
> In article <Bvusw9.Du6@cs.dal.ca> colin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Colin Edward Mac Donald) writes:

[deleted]

> What I would like:
> An OF/DH of Plantier, Brunansky, Blosser, and Burks or Zupcic.
> 
> What we will probably see:
> An OF/DH of Brunansky, Greenwell, Burks/Zupcic, and Plantier/Clark.
                                                               ^^^^^
I thought Lou and Company had publically kissed off Clark?

> A trade is in order here, but I have little faith in Lou's ability to
> figure one out.
> 
> Cheers,
> -Valentine
> -- 
> Make outs, not walks!					tedward@cs.cornell.edu
> Clemens four Cy Young!

-- 

Dan S.
From: dcbeck@indyvax.iupui.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Was Bream Out?
Date: 15 Oct 92 10:45:00 -0500

In article <1bju8mINN18d@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, bandwen@eagle.larc (bando) writes:
> From where I was watching the game (not real close to the TV),
> Sid Bream looked out or very very close to being out at home.
> Is it just me or what?
>    --bando.

My brother and I originally thought he was out also.  Despite all of the camera
angles from CBS we couldn't decide whether he was safe or out.  In one angle it
looked like his foot bounced over the plate and he was tagged before his foot
came down.  The next angle looked like his foot bounced once before the plate,
a second time on the corner of the plate and then another time over the
plate...with the tag from the catcher somewhere inbetween.

Then in this mornings paper, the picture shows Bream's foot on the corner of
the plate while the catcher is tagging Bream.

Close call, but John McSherry's replacement at home plate had no doubts that he
was safe because he made the call right away.  Personally, I think he would
have been shot by Braves fans if he called the runner out.  I'm not saying that
that was a factor in his decision, its just what I think would have happened.

The Pirates are my 2nd favorite team (look at my previous post) but I'm really
not sure if he was safe or out.

DAVE BECK				"Thank God I'm outta there!"--Iowa Cubs
					outfielder Scott Bryant when asked by
					an autograph seeker about playing in
					the Cincinnatti Reds organization





 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose)
Subject: Re: The Jays will CRUSH Oakland!!!!
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 22:12:23 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: na

In article <18125@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Hovercraft Mandibles Huckabay) writes:
>There will be no game 7.  Guzman will throw a 94-pitch no hitter
>today, crushing the worthless Oakland batters under his heel like so
>much the insects that they are.
>

Oopsie.  Didn't work for Oakland, Gary. Maybe you should have forged Than Lee's
address...


-- 
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) * kbos@carina.unm.edu * Make outs, not walks!
Keeper of the R.S.BB FAQ, and Junior Stathead {tm} * Maintainer, R.S.BB Archive
Be kind. Don't flame the mediots. * Look, stupid comments are funny!'-R. Lustig
I'd rather see Doug Dascenzo pitch than suffer through John Burkett's batting..
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: sckelm@iastate.edu (Steven C Kelm)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Seattle coaching staff fired
Keywords: Pirates, Pitching, Losing, Game6
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:43:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw4H93.C8I
Distribution: usa
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

Everybody's gone, Plummer and all 6 coaches.  Possible replacements rumored are
Bobby Valentine and Lou Pinnella.  IMO it is kind of sad that this happened.
I don't think the Mariners have enough pitching to win for anyone!  What was
the final team ERA, about 4.5?  It would be kind of fun having Valentine 
there, if nothing else but to laugh at. :)

Also is it true that Roger Salkeld will miss the entire '93 season due to 
shoulder surgery?

Steven Kelm   sckelm@vincent1.iastate.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell ("Droopy"))
Subject: Re: Sanders vs McCarver
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:44:51 GMT

jeffr@ssec.wisc.edu (Jeff Ramin) writes:

>I'm very surprised I haven't seen any postings concerning what Deion "I'm
>a two sport athlete and God and everybody loves me and I can't do anything
>wrong" Sanders did to Tim McCarver in the locker room after the Braves win.

>For those of you who don't know, he dumped several {4 I think} coolers of
>ice water on McCarver instead of champagne because he wasn't happy about
>some criticizing remarks McCarver made about Sanders playing football for
>the Falcons Sunday when he had told the Braves he wouldn't.  McCarver was
>visibly upset; the situation wasn't too far away from punches.

>I never liked him.  I'm starting to despise him.  Talk about an attitude
>problem.

He is a jerk: plain and simple. He is so overhyped and underproductive,
it's not even funny. As Sean McDonough said [paraphrased], "For someone
who claims to be a team player (by trying to play both sports), he sure
didn't seem to enjoy the celebration."

I'd tend to agree with him in that here is a team who just enjoyed
a win in one of the most exciting games in playoff history and Deion
has to act like, well, Deion. He's not "Prime Time"; he's a loser.

He said it was all in fun. Yeah, sure. WHat a patethically
poor sport and a class a infant.

Give that loser a pacifier and diaper.
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From: atchison@shaggyman.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison)
Subject: Re: Braves' Destruction
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:08:16 GMT

In article <1bfu0tINNsgn@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>In article <Bw37GK.Dt2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mfv23060@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Maurice F. Vallejo) writes:
>>Again pirates 5 , atlanta 0 , 2nd inning.
>>
>  Didn't Barry jack one in this game? Looks like that choke label might be
>  starting to slip down his neck a little.
>
>  --salty

Yep.  2 for 2 with a homer.

in the 2nd inning!
-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
 Mark Atchison, a.k.a. <atchison@cis.ohio-state.edu>; Graduate Student in the
Computer Science Dept, THE Ohio State University (NOT an Ohio State University)
		Any plagiarisms seen above are not my own...
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: don@island.COM (Don Hermes)
Subject: Re: Why bother to watch the World Series?
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:48:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.175240.14804@leland.Stanford.EDU> daveshao@leland.stanford.edu (David Shao) writes:
>Of all the major sports in the United States, major league baseball
>has the most illogical and capricious system of determining home
>field advantage in the playoffs.  Since 1987, starting with the
>Twins, the team with both the home field advantage in the LCS and
>the World Series has won the championship.  
>

This is really kind of a silly argument. While the home field advantage 
definetly helped the Twins in the Series in '87 and '91,
The A's swept the Giants in '89 and were swept by the Reds in
'90 and won only one game from the Dodgers in '88. 
Home field advantage meant little or nothing in those Series.
It only means something if a team does not loose at home.

Don
don@island.com
help
>
>This year
>LCS                       World Series
>American League   East
>National League   West    NL West
>
>Next year
>LCS
>American League   West    AL West
>National League   East
> 
>etc...
>
>Without even noticing what the teams did this season, all I have to
>know is that the Braves won their division in order for me to predict
>with confidence that they will win the World Series.  
>
>In fact, under the current system, at the beginning of the season
>I can dismiss three-quarters of the teams from consideration.  And
>one half of major league baseball teams (the eastern divisions) have
>no realistic expectation of ever winning another World Series.
>
>How was the decision made to implement the current rotation?  I find
>it hard to believe that at least one of the owners of an eastern
>division team didn't notice the disparity and alert the others.
>
>I'm also surprised that teams don't seem to be taking the rotation
>into consideration  when making decisions such as whether to pursue
>expensive free agents or whether to rebuild with youth.  One
>example is the A's trade with the Cardinals two years ago of
>Felix Jose for Willie McGee.  Since the National League West had
>the home field advantage that year in the World Series, the A's
>should have given up on the season and played Jose, hoping that
>he could contribute the NEXT season when they had a chance.
>Another example is the A's trade this year of Canseco for Sierra.
>Since the A's will not be able to both retain McGwire and Sierra,
>in effect they will enter next season with one less superstar. 
>
>As next season can be predicted to be the year of the AL West,
>it would be very foolish for the Twins to let Puckett go.  I
>think they should pay him some astronomical amount for one season,
>say $7-8 million, and then make a decision whether the current team
>can win in 1995 or whether they should dump the older players and
>rebuild.  Similarly, next year is the year for the White Sox to
>pursue through free agency a player who can put them over the top.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
From: mcclure@wild.ucis.vill.edu (MCCLURE HAROLD)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: NL Game #2
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:34:00 GMT
Organization: Villanova University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

Braves win in a blowout...13-5!

With a 4-0 lead, Ron Gant walks up to the plate with bases loaded and BOOM..

G-R-A-N-D S-L-A-M!!!!!!

With an 8-0 lead, Avery finally gets sloppy and gives up 4 runs. But then 
the Braves get 5 more!!!! With Stanton/Wohlers/Reardon giving up only one
more run, now it is 2 games to none. 

Off to three rivers stadium....GO BRAVES!!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: yonatan@csri.toronto.edu (Gary Will)
Subject: Re: Three runs in the bottom of the ninth!!! 3-2 Final
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:43:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.040107.12349@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> doli@troi.cc.rochester.edu (David Oliver) writes:

>I'll be rooting for the Braves now that it's the US vs. Canada.

Well, they ARE "America's Team", you know. :-)

--Gary Will


Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: steph@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Subject: Re: Top of 9 may have been it
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:47:07 GMT

In <1992Oct16.155904.24424@athena.cs.uga.edu> shimkus@athena.cs.uga.edu (Doc) writes:

>In article <1992Oct15.190811.3902@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker) writes:
>>Since Gant came up as an infielder, I am fairly certain they would
>>have kept Hunter in the game as an outfielder, moved Gant to 2nd, and
>>replaced Cabrera with the new pitcher. So their defense wouldn't be
>>incredibly bad. I think I saw an article that said they would
>>even rotate Gant and Pendleton between 2nd and 3rd, with Pebdleton
>>playing on the pull side of the infield.
>>
>>The big problem would have been no pinch-hitters for the rest of the
>>game.
>>
>>Clay D.
>You are all forgetting one thing.  The reason that Gant is an outfielder now
>is because he was a TERRIBLE infielder.  I believe he led the league in errors
>by a second baseman in 87 (?).  I would have probably played hunter at 2nd and
>hoped for the best.

Yikes!  Gant committed over 30 errors in one season.  Playing second, Hunter
would probably get 30 errors in 15 games.  (Actually, that's not true.  They
don't give errors for not getting to the ball.)
-- 
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Gigabit Study Group 

  "It is considered good to look wise, especially when not
From: paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Public Stadiums in general (Was: Re: SF offer for Giants)
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:45:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Our Lady Of The Stand-Up Triple

In article <14OCT199216544389@pierre.mit.edu>, kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.) writes:
> 
>My problem with all of these is that the millionaires consistently want the 
>stadiums funded publicly. I am extremely angry about the proposal for a new 
>stadium in Alexandria, VA where $100 million would be funded by the state of 
>Virginia since it would be for a football team owned by a billionaire. The 
>reason why people say that they want publicly funded stadiums is that the team 
>brings millions of dollars to a city. However, I don't think that this is 
>accurate for the modern "cookie-cutter" stadiums since they have so much 
>parking that rarely do people stay in the city after the game is over so only 
> money from parking and concessions is received other than the tickets instead 
> of money which goes to local businesses and provides jobs for the people of the 
> cities which had to pay the taxes to build the stadium in the first place.

I don't necessarily understand why owners would even *want* to have a publicly
owned stadium. My favorite case in point is the Dodgers, whom I think are the
only team besides the Cubs to play in a privately owned stadium.

I think (no proof to offer) that the Dodgers are probably the single most 
profitable and valuable team in all of professional sports. No small part of
this is the fact that they own their ball park. All the ticket, concession and
parking revenue is theirs, not to mention the depreciation, etc games that 
can be played for accounting purposes. They also gain additional revenue from
renting the place for other events. One reason the team draws well (besides
the large population base and general success of the the team) is that Dodger
Stadium is clean and well maintained, part of which comes from a "pride of
ownership" point of view.

All in all, I think that private stadium ownership has been a big plus for 
the Dodgers, and I don't see why more teams don't give it a go.
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