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From: twomblyk@next08cville.wam.umd.edu (Kristian Twombly)
Subject: Re: drum majors
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:50:52 GMT

In article <1gn22oINNhfc@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>  
zaidioa@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
> I had a question as to how the drum majors in the drumcorps are chosen
> and is it up to the drum major if he/she wants to use a baton while
> directing or marking time while directing?
> 
> If there are any drum majors out there, what is the most difficult
> piece you had to direct and why?
>(other stuff deleted)

I'm DM for the Rochester Patriot D & B Corps (Div. II)
I was chosen as a walk-on, in my rookie year.  This was not a great  
accomplishment, as I only had to beat out 3 others, but _our_ corps  
chooses it's DM's as walk-ons.  We mark time at our discretion, but we  
were forced to for some parts of our show near the end of the season to  
"lock in" the tempos.  We do not use batons, although both DM's have  
extensive conducting backgrounds, and would probably be more comfortable  
with them.  The problem with using them (at least for last years show) is  
that we did Jazz, and the style that we performed it in allowed us to be  
more expressive with our hands.  We tried to be as interpretive as  
possible, and we both went kinda overboard at points..:)  My girlfriend is  
DM for the Div. III Spectrum (from Corning NY) and she was forced to mark  
time and be a human metronome....(No baton for her either!)

Hardest piece I've conducted?.....Hmmm...Toughie...
For Marching units...I'd have to say trying to follow "Gloria" 89-90  
Cavies (without a score...try it sometime)...Although most open corps LOVE  
meter changes, which screws us "country" DM's up when we conduct when we  
listen...(Come on, you all know we do it..)
For Concert Band -> Another toughie...I don't have a _lot_ of exp. with  
this type of group...Well..I'd have to say The Star Spangled Banner,  
simply because EVERYONE knows it!...I had my "own" interpretation..which  
happen to differ from the rest of the bands the first time I conducted  
it...Boy, did I *blush*!!!

Kristian Twombly
Patriots 92-93
???????? 94-95

PS-I would have mailed this, but I "accidently" erased my mail file!
From: matthews@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Thomas W. Matthews)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Blue Knight's show '93
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:42:16 GMT
Organization: Division of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, UC Davis

I was certainly glad that the Blue Knights came out to California last
summer (as they always used to do).  They were on an upswing when the
stopped comming out here, and they obviously continued to improve over the
years.  They were very impressive in 1992.

I'm always excited to hear about a drum corps show that I will have the opportunity
to see in person.  I think that the BK will come out to Sacramento again this year
(but I don't have any "official" information).  So I look forward to seeing what the BK
does with music from Star Trek.  However, I'm worried that they will end up selecting
bits of music that helped support the film in various scenes but that don't provide
much entertainment as stand-alone music.   I don't have any problem with a corps playing
well-known music.  For example, the main title of the first movie (which
is now the main title of the "next generation" on TV) I think is a fine piece of music
for a drum corps but (resorting to satire :-) ) it actually has a melody!  How pedestrian!
It's an automatic 5-point penalty if they play it!  

I really appreciate a drum corps show that introduces me to a melody that I can 
"catch on to" before the corps stops playing it and goes on to something else (never to 
return to that theme again!).  A lot of film soundtracks that I have heard have 
pieces of music that just ramble on with no structure (that I can discern) and then just
end.  I've also heard a number of drum corps shows that leave the same impression.  

I really don't know what the BK are going to do with their music selection this 
season.  I hope that their show leaves a couple of meoldies running around inside my 
head that I can hum or whistle later.  

Tom Matthews
From: jerger@d0msu6.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Phantom's drill writer in 93, Star's music in 93
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:49:16 -0600
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In article <Dec.17.10.18.05.1992.18358@andromeda.rutgers.edu>, dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
> cf123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher Leigh Putnam) writes:
> 
> 
>>Things look pretty much the same as in 1986?!?!?!
> 
>>I love the Devils, but there is no way a show like what the Devils performed in 
>>'86 would win again.  Actually, the Devils' '86 show is my favorite all-time
>>show.  But it is no where near as difficult as what is being done now,
>>and now hwere near as creative.  A lot has changed since '86.  A lot
>>had changed from '86 to '87.  That Garfield '86 show, if performed ecxactly
>>the same today, wouldn't have beaten the Crossmen this year, maybe ecven the
>>Blue Knights.  I too hope that the Regiment fall further this year (wouldn't
>>it be great to see VK pass them?).  From what I've seen and heard, they don't
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
>   GOD FORBID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> I wouldn't wish this on any corps!!   
> 
>    FLAME SUIT ON!   Just think of it Phantom fans, losing to Godzilla,
> Energizer Bunny, and the Great White!   PPHHOOOO, just got a cold chill,
> almost ruined my holiday season!!

As a matter of fact, this *has* happened before - not in Finals, but in '88
we met PR for the first time in Cheyenne. They were the first midwest 
corps we saw, supposedly were doing real well in the midwest shows, and 
that night we clobbered them by two points, and by about .5 or so in drums.
It was the only victory show we did that year, and it was sweet. From what I
hear of the critique that night, Marty Hurley & Co. were having quite a
screamfest. But then the next show we were tied, and the show after
that we were two points behind them, etc... I remember a staffer saying
"Welcome to the Midwest... this is where the rollercoaster ride starts."
They were a better line and a better corps, just dirty, but it was nice
for a time; first (and last?) time we ever beat Phantom...
    Ok, Ken, go back to sleep, it was a long time ago, just a distant dream
now... you'll wake up tomorrow and the world will be right side up again :-)

Steve
From: pattenm@pcplod.enet.dec.com (Martin Patten)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Anybody In the U.K read this group ?
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:43:02 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Hi all,


Well I just found this group, and found it bringing back fond memories.


I marched from the age of 8 till I aged out at 21 with a Corp's in the uk. Of
course they wern't drum corps as such when I started, just normal military
type marching bands.

We were one of the first corps to change to drum corp's style, and one of the
first to get a colour guard.


I understand they marched in the U.S a couple of years back, they were called
the Blue Eagles, anybody ever hear of em ?, or see them more to the point ?.


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From: ray@violetred.crayola.cs.psu.edu (Adam M Ray)
Subject: Re: Phantom's drill writer in 93, Star's music in 93
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:04:04 GMT
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    Did St. Angel fire some/most/all of his staff from last year?  I have heard
rumors to this effect.  Thanks for the info in advance...

Adam Ray           ray@crayola.cs.psu.edu
                   AMR@eclx.psu.edu


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From: fullchb@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Christian Fuller)
Subject: Re: more war stories
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:14:13 GMT


 You know Brooke, us in the Troopers have never really hated a corps for a
long period of time. IE the Blue Knights, Magic or Star.   I know a member of your 
colorguard from last year.  She told me about all the nice things you said
about us. 
   You know what? we said them back!!  It is hard to take getting beat by the 
Colts( or Northern Aurora and Black Gold if you want to be techincal) At
our first year we joked about the Colts beating us, well sure enough they did.
   I also heard of the roumer that you Director said about us being pissed of
and throwing the contras of the truck.  To my knowledge we never threw contras
(we did the little horns) and if we did I would like to know being as I loaded 
the truck.


ABOUT RETREAT-  I can't ever really remember having a problem with another corps(with the noted exception of the contra wars and a couple little hits by 
drumlines. I guess no one really wanted to mess with us, or no one thought we
were worth the trouble. (Relates back to the days of BAC and the Troopers). I
will tell you later about that if you want.


Christian Fuller
Bari '90-92                         "The promised land"
From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: What happened in '74?
Date: 20 Dec 1992 17:35:09 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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In articles alt.drumcorps:2743 rec.arts.marching.drumcorps:112, 
rlmiller@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Randall L. Miller) wrote (What happened
in '74?):
 
|>      I was just wondering what happened to 27th in '74? They came
|>in 7th in '73 and 20th in '74 and then 4th in '75. Something was different.
|>Does anybody know?
 
Seventh place jinx, anyone?  For the first 4 years of DCI, the seventh
place corps fell out of finals and the next two years, they dropped
a couple of places, giving rise to the legend of the 7th place jinx.
This jinx is now dead, having last struck the Crossmen in 1983.
 
|>All I hear is stories of hatred and some old corps songs slamming
|>the 27th. Stuff like, instead of saying the number 27 during excercises just
|>(or) just screaming for that moment. And yes, I still recognize "BAC"
|>despite the changing times.
 
If you want to know the particulars, ask Tom Lizotte, your horn
caption head.  He was marching during that period and should remember.
He would know exactly what happened to 27 in 1974 (I think they lost
their horn head that year).  He was also an instructor at North Star
when I marched.  He should know all the stories about the 27-North
Star rivalry.
 
Oh, and tell him hello for me.  He should remember me, too.
 
Vince
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From: tmv@cupid.cc.bellcore.com (vandewater,thomas m)
Subject: Re: Phantom's drill writer in 93, Star's music in 93
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 17:45:19 GMT

In article <Dec.14.16.23.44.1992.19256@andromeda.rutgers.edu>, dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
> tmv@cupid.cc.bellcore.com (vandewater,thomas m) writes:
> 
> >Yes folks, Phantom will have a new drill designer for 1993.  The
> >new writer is Tony Hall, 
> 
> [stuff deleted]
> 
> 
> GOD HELP THE PHANTOM REGIMENT IN '93!!!!!!!!!!

OK Ken, why do you think this?  Did you not like Cadets 86 show?

Tom
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From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: halleujah it's here!!
Date: 16 Dec 1992 17:24:21 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1992Dec15.232253.25621@vela.acs.oakland.edu> bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F) writes:
>In article <01050023.l4f5u1@chinchilla.cars.com> chinchilla!niel@cars.com writes:
>>pretty good.  Mike was really good.  For some real history, Tom Float was 
>>the arranger in the early days, before he found out cocaine was cheaper
>>in Concord, CA.
>
>Just curious... Did you ever actually know Tom Float, or did you just choose
>to believe the bullshit that the people at Spirit obviously fed you? Tom was
>not only the best teacher I've ever had (and I've had some good ones), but
>one of the most caring people I've ever known. I guess I'm not surprised that
>the Spirit guys would start cutting on him after he left, as most of the line
>went with him to the Blue Devils (I guess they thought the coke was better in
>Concord, also), and Spirit's line went to shit after he left... (all IMHO's
>apply).             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I think that is a little narrow minded of you to say.  Of course after Tom
left the line wouldn't be as good, since a lot of them went with him, but
Spirit fielded some pretty increadible lines.  As someone told me, just 
because a corps isn't top5, top12, or whatever, it doesn't automatically 
mean that they are "shit".  I take personal offense to that comment since
I was one of those "shitty" lines that Spirit had the nerve to put on the
field.  It doesn'tbother me if you didn't care for our line, or any other 
line, it is IYHO, but I think that the tone can be more open-minded.  I 
think that there are lines out there that I don't like, but I don't call 
them shit.

>--Brad.

--David



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From: holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Anyone want to play?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:30:30 GMT

In article <92352.161029MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>, MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET writes:
> 
> How about:
> 
>  George Bush    Madison Scouts     Same old *trickle-down* we've all
>                                    heard before
>  Marge Schott   Phantom (St Angel) "If I've done anything to offend anyone,
>                                    I truly apologize"
>  Elvis Presley  Bridgemen          They're both dead.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No their not!  I saw them all working at a 7-11 in Kalamazoo, I swear. :-) :-)

							Charles Holt
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From: knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites)
Subject: Re: Has anyone noticed...
Reply-To: knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:59:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.192834.21078@beaver.cs.washington.edu>,
dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn) writes:
> In article <01050023.l4scn1@chinchilla.cars.com> chinchilla!niel@cars.com
writes:
> >Is it just me, or has the tone of many articles suddenly changed since
> >we moved to r.a.m.d?  It seems that not only are we getting more articles
> >(which I think is good), they seem to be getting more into who hates
> >whom and why?
> >
> >Maybe we need a new group,
r.a.m.drumcorps.old.farts.pining.for.the.old.days,
> >for people like me...
> >
> >Niel
> 
> I tend to agree.  There does seem to be a large number of posts ragging
> on various corps and staff members, and recounting random incidents out
> on the road.
> 
> These posts just reinforce any bad feelings people have about some
> corps, or, if you like that corps, encourage the "everyone is out to
> get me, so I deserve whatever I can get, however I can get it" attitude
> that seems to pervade drum corps.
> 
> I am not suggesting these posts not be posted (if someone feels strongly
> enough about something, they should post), but people should think
> about whether what they post is of general interest or not.  For me
> personally (translation: spit in the ocean), I could do without the
> posts about, for example, how corps X had to push their bus across
> Arizona (in 110 degree weather) in the 19YY season, and how corps Z
> ridiculed them the whole season for it.  But your opinion (and mileage)
> may vary.
> 
> -- Donald

Get ready for a big IMHO...

I agree that we sometimes go off on wild tangents, but isn't the purpose of
alt.drumcorps and r.a.m.m. to discuss ALL areas and events concerning the drum
and bugle corps activity?  If we cut out these postings, I think things would
get pretty dull around here.  Besides, most of the stories are humerous and can
bring back a lot of great memories for all types of people.  Alumni, fans, and
current marching members.

Four finals down and one to go!

Andy Combites
Cavaliers Euphonium
From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Ask DCI
Date: 18 Dec 1992 19:49:49 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
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Originator: fath@mbcrr


Here is a letter I am sending to DCI Today.  I will send it out next week.
Until then, I welcome feedback from people on the Net.  Thanks.

Ask DCI
P.O. Box 548
Lombard, IL  60148-0548

Dear Ask DCI,

	I have always been surprised that drum corps is basically unknown
to probably 99% of the American people.  I seems to me that there is so
much that could easily be done to promote the activity across North America
and yet another season has gone by without so much as a mention of drum
corps in the national news media.  Specifically, what type of publicity
(besides that PBS broadcast) does DCI put out to the "general public" 
during the marching season?
	Here are a few suggestions I have about easy and inexpensive ways
to promote the drum corps activity:
1. The best publicity occurs at the local level.  DCI should work hard to
coordinate publicity with member corps by contacting local television
stations and offering general drum corps information as well as video 
footage of the local corps' performance at regional and national competitions. 
This would improve the local interest and thus improve the corps' ability
to raise funds locally.
2. Make greater use of the boom in cable television.  There is no reason
why a half dozen regional contests could not be broadcast on a local
cable network or even on national cable channels such as the USA Network,
Lifetime or Disney.  Promote drum corps as a positive youth activity and
some cable stations are sure to be interested.
3. The best national exposure could come by convincing one of the network
morning shows such as Today or Good Morning America to produce a segment on
drum corps.  News is generally slow in the middle of August.  Ask the shows
to come to DCI Championship week and watch.  I bet they would be happy to
broadcast a ten minute feature.
	I, like many drum corps fans, would be glad to participate in letter
writing campaigns to local and national news networks to promote the activity.
But we look to DCI for leadership in this area.  Clearly, increased publicity 
would be a great help to the activity.  I hope that DCI will rise to such a
challenge and get one of the national morning shows to produce a feature on 
drum corps from Jackson, MS for the 1993 Championships.  
	Tell us who to call and write letters to and we will help -- but 
DCI has to lead.  Thank you.

Michael Fath







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From: bjh42543@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian J. Haag)
Subject: Re: ROMAN IMAGES
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:04:46 GMT

C_S01798@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (*Patrick Todd Sloan) writes:


>	I have a few problems with someone asking the question "did you like 
>the `Roman Images' Program?"  simply because someone thought the music was
>obscure.  How can one even ATTMEPT to criticize such a show as "good" or "bad"?
>Even though my personal opinion doesn't really make a difference, I can use it
>as an example.  The 1991 Star of Indiana show entertained me and was intensly
>powerful visually, even though on finals night it might have been executed with
>a _little_ less finesse as perhaps earlier.  Musically, I was not entertained
>as much as i was IMPRESSED with the musicallity and precision and complexity
>(all those things that are on the beloved judges sheet).  
>	
>	What I'm boiling down to, is before you try to make judgements on
>whether a show is "good" or "bad", you have to decide what kind of criteria 
>you are going to use!  Take it from me, I've seen (and performed in) some
>REALLY bad shows over my corps experience.  I'm not angry that someone is
>actually trying to compile a poll of this opinionated information (even though
>traditionally thats been my little niche :) )  I simply question the manner of
>"good" vs. "bad". There are just too many variables to consider!

>Thank you.

>Patrick Sloan       

I'll reply to this and give my opinion for the poll at the same time.  I
agree wholeheartedly with your statement that there are too many variables
to consider, but I think that we have somewhat set up some criteria through
previous posts.  In this case, we're talking about melody, overall appeal,
etc.  MY OPINION ONLY:  I liked the show on several levels.  First of all,
I love Respighi's music.  Second of all, I could appreciate the incredible
level that the kids were performing at.  Third of all, I think that the
writing (both musical and visual) expanded the horizons of the activity a
bit.  But that's another post entirely.  =)

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