HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: greg@zaphod.uchicago.edu (Greg Kuperberg)
Subject: Re: Help stamp out the super-crossposted goblins
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Univ. of Chicago
Distribution: chi
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:39:21 GMT

La Monte H. Yarroll writes:
>>Let's keep the chi.* groups out of the [cross-posting] loop.  Right
>>now I see that linac and ncar seem to
>>be sending the chi.* groups to the other side of the country.  Could
>>the news admins or sysadmins at these sites stop the leakage?  I'd be
>>muchabliged.
>
>I don't think that this is an effective way to fight cross-posting.
>If the cross-country feeds are unintentional, they should of course be
>stopped, but this has nothing to do with cross-posting.

If you look at the latest discussion about Attention Deficit Disorder
in this news group, you'll see that the posters are all over the
country, and they aren't concerned with Chicagoland, at least not in
this discussion.  Presumably the posters simply don't pay close
attention to the fact that chi.general is one of the groups in the
distribution list.  But you can't post to newsgroups that your NNTP
host doesn't carry, even if it's just a reply to another article.

>I'm currently trying to get the Comp Center at the University of
>Tasmania to pick up the chi heirarchy so that I don't have to deal
>with this 4 second lag when typing   I would hate to see a precedent
>set of no chi groups for other parts of the world.

That's reasonable.  Anyone outside of Chicagoland can voice their
desire to read chi.* as well as those of us in Chicagoland.  Meanwhile,
we can set a precedent of not passing on regional groups unless a
positive reason to do so exists.  Eventually the honor system will
fail, of course.  But right now the the path of chi.* to the outside
world is just a handful of backbone sites, and if even one of them
stopped distributing chi.* blindly it would be a help.
From: mikebo@timesink.chi.il.us (Michael Borowiec)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Re: ENDANGERED ILLINOIS PRAIRIE PATH - HELP!
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:28:36 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: HAM Radio Station N9EUZ, Naperville, IL

In article <U22DI6FE4@linac.fnal.gov> crawdad@fncent (Matt Crawford) writes:
>>Sure.  Boycott Commonwealth Edison.  Tell them  if they continue
>>with the project then we will stop using electricity.  
>>
>>That will scare them.
>
>Move to St. Charles.  The city buys electricity elsewhere and sells
>it to residents more cheaply than Comm Ed's rates.

Naperville buys from ComEd and sells to its residents cheaper than their
own customers. But we also wait longer to have power restored when there
is a major storm or some squirrel gets fried on a transformer.

Hey, am I missing something, or does ComEd *OWN* most of the prarie path
in the first place! I believe they bought it from the Chicago & North
Western railroad who got it when the Chicago Great Western and Chicago,
Aurora & Elgin lines closed up. Didn't they buy it specifically to use
as a thoroughfare for high-tension power lines so they wouldn't have to
fight city halls every time they wanted to improve service? Didn't they
donate it to the public trust (admittedly benefiting from lower taxes)
instead of fencing it up? Isn't avoiding the bruhaha happening now the
entrie reason ComEd bought the old rail bed to begin with? Aren't people
forgetting who the benefactor was who gave them the Illinois Prarie Path?
- Mike

PS> NO, I don't work for ComEd... I just think they're right this time.

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Xref: sparky chi.general:1271 rec.music.misc:24789
From: U38956@uicvm.uic.edu (Bones,)
Newsgroups: chi.general,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: U2 Too Much at World
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:09:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92281.110929U38956
 <BuuLKx.n4w@chinet.chi.il.us>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Yup, I can confirm the Tinley Park/CC Hills feud over the World theatre some-
what.  I live in CC Hills and Mayor Welch lost the theatre big time.
It was originally supposed to be built at the intersection of 167th and
Pulaski, just off I-80 and the I-57 exchange.  Back then, it was called
"Thorn Music Theatre" or something to that effect.  Plans were made up,
renderings were made (I used to have one--kinda funky looking), but in
the end, Tinley Park won out for some reason--strange because for a while
there was a sign posted at the proposed site for a LONG time proclaiming
that the theatre would be built there.

Anyway, I guess Mayor Welch didn't like that--he lost a lot of money
or potential money from it and from what I understand his personal construction
company, Welch Construction, was supposed to build it and a different
company named Gierczyk Development got it instead.  So, for the past
2 years all I've heard is Mayor Welch gripe and moan about the noise levels.
In 1990, when the theatre first opened, the only time I heard music from
my house was for the Fleetwood Mac concert, the B-52s concert, and the
2nd Depeche Mode/ Nitzer Ebb concert (probably the first too, but I was
at that one, so I wouldn't know).  I NEVER heard anything for the
monsters of rock deal or other concerts that you would expect to be loud.
Incidently, that was the last time I was able to hear a concert from home, and
that was two years ago, and I live about 10 minutes away from the place.
The only people cmplaining really are the ones that live within
walking distance of the theatre in rural unincorporated areas.  Also, the
only city complaining about it up to now IS CCH.  Matteson did for
a bit, but I don't hear them now, and that was 2 years back also!
So, go figure.

BTW, the last U2 show (Friday) a very funny incident occured.  Bono got on
his space phone and called the CC Hills city hall.  In front of 35,000
people, he asked for Mayor Welch.  They said he was unavailable, so he asked
for the Chief of Police.  He too was unavail, so he talked to a police
sergeant instead.  He said, "I'm a resident of Country Club Hills and I can't
get any sleep because that U2 concert is too loud.  Can you do something?"

Well, the CCH police bought it.

Eventually, they figured out it was really Bono, and they were not pleased at
at all.  As it went public, they laughed it off, but boy did they
look stupid!  I can imagine 35,000 people trying hard not to laugh, being
hush hush so as to not spoil the call.

I love CC Hills.  Yeah, right.

X
From: veck@pshrink.chi.il.us (Steven King)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Re: Jones Cable
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 09:59:18 CDT
Distribution: world               
Organization: PShrink Wrap BBS, Lake Zurich IL  +1 708 540 6772

krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick) writes:
> I was on the phone with Jones Cable last night.  For those of you who are
> interested, they are planning on picking up the Sci-Fi Channel at the beggini
> of the year --IF-- they get enough people calling in requesting it.
>
> So call in and get you're name placed on the list!!!

List?  Not out here in Lake Zurich Land.  Or at least, not as of last
week or so.  I bug them on an irregular basis about the Sci-Fi channel.
At first the droid on the phone simply said "We don't plan to carry that
channel thankyougoodbye."  When I manage to ask why the reason is always
"lack of capacity".  (Gee, how much revenue does their 24-hour test
pattern channel generate, anyway?)  Lately, they've told me that I
should contact Mary Beth Ingram, one of their programming muck-a-mucks.
I've got the address at work; I'll send it along if I remember on
Monday.

-- 
Steven King, Proprietor of the PShrink Wrap BBS        veck@pshrink.chi.il.us
I *do* speak for the company!                          data: +1 708 540 6772
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: "Ian Sutherland" <p00117@psilink.com>
Subject: Scottish country dancing
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:31:44 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

I'm looking for times and places of meetings of Scottish country dance 
groups in the Chicago area.  Can anyone give me information on this?  
Phone numbers of the people that run the groups would also be very 
appreciated.  Thanks.
Newsgroups: chi.test
From: cdm@idm.com (Charles D. Marcotte)
Subject: Re: Hey, I figured it out!!!
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:49:59 GMT
Organization: Information Data Management


Still looking for the '' eater!

Newsgroups: chi.test
From: cdm@idm.com (Charles D. Marcotte)
Subject: I REALLY figured it out!
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:49:19 GMT
Organization: Information Data Management

Be very carfull about the tr command and different versions on Unix.
Under HPUX, I had to configure C-News to use '[]'s around the
character ranges in the tr command of stripinvis..

		Chuck
From: greg@gagme.chi.il.us (Gregory Gulik)
Newsgroups: chi.test
Subject: Testing..
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:38:11 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Originator: greg@gagme


Blah.


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       greg@serveme.chi.il.us                    UNIX system at 312-282-8606
   ||  gulik@rtsg.mot.com                        For information, drop a note
						 to info@gagme.chi.il.us
From: sunk12
Newsgroups: chi.test
Subject: test
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:27:40 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: Tellabs, Inc.
Originator: heitke@sunk12

Testing
-- 
		Steve Heitke   -   heitke@tellabs.com
From: greg@serveme.chi.il.us (Gregory Gulik)
Newsgroups: chi.test
Subject: Testing
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:39:12 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: Gagme Public Access Unix, Chicago, Illinois


Testing..

-greg

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Gregory A. Gulik                                 Call Gagme, a public access
       greg@serveme.chi.il.us                    UNIX system at 312-282-8606
   ||  gulik@rtsg.mot.com                        For information, drop a note
						 to info@gagme.chi.il.us
From: greg@gagme.chi.il.us (Gregory Gulik)
Newsgroups: chi.test
Subject: Testing
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:32:50 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Originator: greg@gagme


Testing news routing...

-greg

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Gregory A. Gulik                                 Call Gagme, a public access
       greg@serveme.chi.il.us                    UNIX system at 312-282-8606
   ||  gulik@rtsg.mot.com                        For information, drop a note
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Newsgroups: chi.test
From: mikebo@timesink.chi.il.us (Michael Borowiec)
Subject: testosteroony
Organization: HAM Radio Station N9EUZ, Naperville, IL
Distribution: chi
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:37:18 GMT

He's not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays...
Newsgroups: chi.test
From: greg@serveme.chi.il.us (Gregory Gulik)
Subject: Testing again
Organization: Gagme Public Access Unix, Chicago, Illinois
Distribution: chi
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 06:34:25 GMT


Please respond if you see this.
Include the header if you can.

-greg

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Gregory A. Gulik                                 Call Gagme, a public access
       greg@serveme.chi.il.us                    UNIX system at 312-282-8606
   ||  gulik@rtsg.mot.com                        For information, drop a note
						 to info@gagme.chi.il.us
From: greg@serveme.chi.il.us (Gregory Gulik)
Newsgroups: chi.mail
Subject: Re: clout uucp stats
Keywords: weekly summary
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:09:15 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: Gagme Public Access Unix, Chicago, Illinois

In article <1992Oct13.151214.26305@serveme.chi.il.us> greg@serveme.chi.il.us (Gregory Gulik) writes:
>
>You have physical access to Clout, so why didn't you go down there
>and fix it?

Speaking of which.

Let's all thank Russell Rezaian for driving in from Naperville
to Chicago around midnight on a Sunday to fix Clout.

-greg


-- 
Gregory A. Gulik                                 Call Gagme, a public access
       greg@serveme.chi.il.us                    UNIX system at 312-282-8606
   ||  gulik@rtsg.mot.com                        For information, drop a note
						 to info@gagme.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: chi.mail
From: greg@serveme.chi.il.us (Gregory Gulik)
Subject: Re: clout uucp stats
Keywords: weekly summary
Organization: Gagme Public Access Unix, Chicago, Illinois
Distribution: chi
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:12:14 GMT

In article <Bw0Jo8.CB@chinet.chi.il.us> randy@chinet.chi.il.us (Randy Suess) writes:
>
>	Then why has clout been down all weekend because someone tried
>	to ftp mail many megabytes of code?  I think the last few months
>	of statistics show that it is NOT working.  A few sites seem to
>	have 99% of the outbound flow, in many tens of megabytes.

Two small points:

The ftp mail was not the cause of clout's downtown.

You have physical access to Clout, so why didn't you go down there
and fix it?


-greg

-- 
Gregory A. Gulik                                 Call Gagme, a public access
       greg@serveme.chi.il.us                    UNIX system at 312-282-8606
   ||  gulik@rtsg.mot.com                        For information, drop a note
						 to info@gagme.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: chi.mail
From: greg@serveme.chi.il.us (Gregory Gulik)
Subject: Re: Whats wrong (?) with clout?
Organization: Gagme Public Access Unix, Chicago, Illinois
Distribution: chi
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 06:02:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.054223.3516@gagme.chi.il.us> wdp@gagme.chi.il.us (Bill Pfeiffer) writes:
>
>I have been unable to contact clout for pickup of mail all weekend.
>
>The login script gets as far as 'translating CLOUT.CHI.IL.US ... and dies.
>
>Also, a friend had her mail bounce at gargoyle today (she is writing from
>mixcom.com in milwaukee) The bounce message states 'service unavailable'.
>
>Whats up, fellows?

We're working on it.

We hope to have service back on Monday.

-greg


-- 
Gregory A. Gulik                                 Call Gagme, a public access
       greg@serveme.chi.il.us                    UNIX system at 312-282-8606
   ||  gulik@rtsg.mot.com                        For information, drop a note
						 to info@gagme.chi.il.us
From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: chi.mail
Subject: Re: Chi Mail Error...
Date: 13 Oct 92 07:40:35 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <7934@obdient.chi.il.us>, blair@obdient.chi.il.us (Doug Blair)
writes:
>Doug....
>
>I'm sure LaMonte appreciates your offering an account.  He is writing from
>his new teaching job in Tasmania (yes, where the Devils live) and telneting
>to his old account here.  He'll be there for a year at least.
>Internet would be a definate requirement :-)

So shoot me...  It's not as if I KNEW THAT!  Yeesh!  8^)

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From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: chi.mail
Subject: Chi Mail Error...
Date: 12 Oct 92 10:36:37 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

I just got this piece of bounced Email.  I understand that the normal procedure
is to simply send email to "postmaster@clout.chi.il.us", but finding clout
seems to be a part of the problem in this case, so I'm making a Public Post. 
Hope I don't annoy too many people!

Also, in talking to the Motorola Machines, some machine inbetween is tacking on
".uucp" to the address, preventing the auto-replies to work...  Will forward a
sample when one becomes available.

cut here
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From amiserv!uucp Mon, 12 Oct 92 04:28:40 CST
Received: by meltdown.chi.il.us (V1.16/Amiga)
        id AA00000; Mon, 12 Oct 92 04:28:40 CST
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 23:45 CDT
Message-Id: <718865144.AA26061@amiserv.chi.il.us>
Content-Type: text
Content-Length: 1767
From: uucp@amiserv.chi.il.us (UUCP Administrator)
To: meltdown!krikket
Subject: Warning From uucp

We have been unable to contact machine 'clout' since you queued your job.

        clout!mail gargoyle.uchicago.edu!piggy   (Date 10/10)
The job will be deleted in several days if the problem is not corrected.
If you care to kill the job, execute the following command:

        uustat -kcloutZ756b
 
        Sincerely,
        amiserv!uucp

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From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
To: piggy@gargoyle.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Help stamp out the super-crossposted goblins

In chi.mail, you write:

>I'm in fact quite lucky that the UofC still allows me an account here,
>otherwise I'd be completely cut off.

Well, if it helps any, you're welcome to have a free account over here at
meltdown.chi.il.us...  No direct InterNet access though...  The number is
708-665-9732.

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Newsgroups: chi.mail
From: randy@chinet.chi.il.us (Randy Suess)
Subject: Re: clout uucp stats
Keywords: weekly summary
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Distribution: chi
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:45:43 GMT

In article <piggy.718863866@gargoyle.uchicago.edu> piggy@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (La Monte Yarroll) writes:
>In <7933@obdient.chi.il.us> blair@obdient.chi.il.us (Doug Blair) writes:
>
>>Here is the weekly summary of uucp traffic from clout.chi.il.us
>>for the week ending 10/10/92:
>>                   -------------SUMMARY-------------
>>                   Total active uucp sites:     68
>...
>>                   Total K-bytes:           71,472
>
>I'm impressed!  Those sites which do ftp-mail have been doing an
>excellent job of self-regulation.  Everyone is keeping their traffic
>low, even with a large total number of sites and total traffic.
>
>This is the way volunteer networks should work!
>

	Then why has clout been down all weekend because someone tried
	to ftp mail many megabytes of code?  I think the last few months
	of statistics show that it is NOT working.  A few sites seem to
	have 99% of the outbound flow, in many tens of megabytes.
-- 
	I am created Shiva the Destroyer; Death, the shatterer of worlds!
	Who is this dog meat who stands before me now?
	That's the biz, sweetheart.
Randy Suess					 randy@chinet.chi.il.us
From: rrezaian@austral.chi.il.us (Russell Rezaian)
Newsgroups: chi.mail
Subject: Re: Whats wrong (?) with clout?
Date: 15 Oct 92 07:38:00 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: DOC Data Processing Systems

In article <1992Oct12.054223.3516@gagme.chi.il.us> wdp@gagme.chi.il.us (Bill Pfeiffer) writes:
>I have been unable to contact clout for pickup of mail all weekend.

I have posted a short explanation of some of the things that happened, I
have a much longer post mortem that I can post if there's sufficient
interest.

>Also, a friend had her mail bounce at gargoyle today (she is writing from
>mixcom.com in milwaukee) The bounce message states 'service unavailable'.

This is an almost totally unrelated problem and has to do with the way
seconday MXing works.

A few chi.il.us sites have secondary MX records that point to gargoyle at
The University of Chicago.  These have been in place for a few years, some
time ago gargoyle changed its name, and the MX configuration managed to
give it a name it didn't like.

The problem is known, and being addressed.  The nameserver on clout has
been updated, and if this problem recurs further changes can be made.
--
Russell Rezaian			|  rrezaian@austral.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: chi.mail
From: piggy@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (La Monte Yarroll)
Subject: Re: clout uucp stats
Keywords: weekly summary
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: chi
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:24:26 GMT

In <7933@obdient.chi.il.us> blair@obdient.chi.il.us (Doug Blair) writes:

>Here is the weekly summary of uucp traffic from clout.chi.il.us
>for the week ending 10/10/92:
>                   -------------SUMMARY-------------
>                   Total active uucp sites:     68
...
>                   Total K-bytes:           71,472

I'm impressed!  Those sites which do ftp-mail have been doing an
excellent job of self-regulation.  Everyone is keeping their traffic
low, even with a large total number of sites and total traffic.

This is the way volunteer networks should work!

La Monte H. Yarroll	Preferred:	piggy@gargoyle.uchicago.edu
   Work: piggy@mwc.com	Home:		piggy@baqaqi.chi.il.us
			often:		postmaster@clout.chi.il.us
From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: chi.mail
Subject: Re: clout uucp stats
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:00:51 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <1992Oct13.180915.26920@serveme.chi.il.us>, greg@serveme.chi.il.us
(Gregory Gulik) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.151214.26305@serveme.chi.il.us> greg@serveme.chi.il.us
(Gr
>egory Gulik) writes:
>>
>>You have physical access to Clout, so why didn't you go down there
>>and fix it?
>
>Speaking of which.
>
>Let's all thank Russell Rezaian for driving in from Naperville
>to Chicago around midnight on a Sunday to fix Clout.

Russell,

Bravo! and Thanks!

Next time something like this happens, give me a page.  While I might not have
the technical know-how to help, I'm already awake (as I work graveyard shift),
and will provide company, and drive if you get too tired while on the road...

===========
Krikket (Doug Krick)  ---  krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us
New, Improved, Shortened .Sig File.  Standard disclaimers apply.

"You've got my heart in your hands -- Bleach!" (The Masochism Song)
From: blair@obdient.chi.il.us (Doug Blair)
Newsgroups: chi.mail
Subject: Re: Chi Mail Error...
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:04:52 GMT
Organization: Obedient Software, Naperville IL

In article <krikket.005e@meltdown.chi.il.us> krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick) writes:
>
>Well, if it helps any, you're welcome to have a free account over here at
>meltdown.chi.il.us...  No direct InterNet access though...  The number is
>708-665-9732.
>

Doug....

I'm sure LaMonte appreciates your offering an account.  He is writing from
his new teaching job in Tasmania (yes, where the Devils live) and telneting
to his old account here.  He'll be there for a year at least.
Internet would be a definate requirement :-)
From: randy@chinet.chi.il.us (Randy Suess)
Subject: Re: clout uucp stats
Keywords: weekly summary
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Distribution: chi
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:04:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.115244.14565@vpnet.chi.il.us> lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky) writes:
>    Because of your apparent lack of interest, one of our clout System
>    Administrators had to drive from Lisle into the city, pick up the
>    other key and drive to Hyde Park at midnight Sunday night to re-
>    start the Sun.  That's devotion to duty!
>

	I think perhaps I will let LaMont or Ihnat respond to this.

-- 
	I am created Shiva the Destroyer; Death, the shatterer of worlds!
	Who is this dog meat who stands before me now?
	That's the biz, sweetheart.
Randy Suess					 randy@chinet.chi.il.us