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From: rajan@bambam.uucp (Rajan Kanitkar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Proud to be a Hindu !!!!
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:11:50 GMT
Organization: ESL, Sunnyvale, CA

In article <1992Dec14.184544.10238@Firewall.Nielsen.Com> mbhat@pcserver2.Naitc.Com (Manoj Bhat) writes:
>I'm not a member of (or have ever been) BJP/VHP/RSS, but am a Hindu and proud
>of it. Whatever happened at Ayodhya was'nt because of Hinduism but
>due to Indian politics.  So why be ashamed of being a Hindu ?
>
>I also feel its unjustified to blame the BJP/VHP . Knowing Indian politics, it
>could very well have been Cong-I behind the demolition of the mosque, with
>the intent of bringing down the BJP government.   
>


The three main villains for this morass (in order of
responsibility )are:

The BMAC, an assortment of Islamic fanatics who refused to
budge an inch during years of negotiations and who were
defiant to the end. 

The GOI, which blatantly sided with the Moslems from the start
and constantly put up a succession of legal, political and legislative
obstructions.

The extremists among the BJP/VHP camp who allowed their
impatience and frustration with the intrasigent Moslems and
a hostile government to boil over.

The Congress(I) has once again put its short-term vote-bank
interests ahead of the nation 
in sucking up to Shahabuddin, Bukhari and co.  Now will they
be able to contain their latest Frankenstein(s) or do we have to
witness the development of another Bhindranwale or (worse)
another Jinnah.


>Instead of bickering amongst ourselves we should protest to the damn Pakistan/
>B'desh govts to stop destroying Hindu lives and property. I really pity
>Hindus living in these countries. First, they are at the mercy of the 
>Muslim government and second, most of the Hindus and the Indian Govt. 
>don't give a damn about them or what happens to them. Indian muslims , on
>the other hand, have a lot of political clout (in India) and backing from
>other Islamic countries.

The Moslems across the subcontinent have united and closed
ranks behind their cause while we Hindus have engaged in a 
disgraceful display of finger pointing, blame shifting and
back stabbing.  Given this current response, it is no wonder
that the Moslems were able to rule so brutally for so long.

>
>On the positive side, I think Hindus were united for a cause and succeeded
>in kicking some butt, after a very long time. 
>
The actions of the Congress(Islam) party in 
zealously going after the nationalist Hindu organizations
is analogous to eunuchs trying to increase their ranks
by castrating healthy, virile males.

They are on the verge of castrating Hinduism by trying to
destroy the only Hindu groups who have had the guts to stand
up to the Islamic fanatics.

>Jai Hind.
>
>Manoj Bhat  

I also am not a member of the RSS or VHP but considering the
recent asinine actions of the government I am strongly inclined to
join VHP of America to reclaim India from the malevolent
forces bent on imposing a bastardized version of pseudo-secularism
at all costs.

Rajan
From: fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Need Secularism
Date: 13 Dec 1992 14:32:29 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Worma babbles again:

I want secularism in Bangladesh, Pakistan and 
>Afghanistan. My demand is as based on the same logic as those 
>of orthodox Muslims'. If they cannot do it, I want our secular Govt. to
>attack Pakistan and Bangladesh and then teach them a lesson of secularism.

	munna, go drink some duddoo. This is not a kiddie play where you
	bully around thinking you're the greatest. Gosh! am I glad this
	guy is not in a responsible position! And no wonder HSS is ashamed
	of you... :)

>
>If psuedo-secular forces of India cannot fulfill the demand of this
>fundamentalist Hindu, then shut up your mouth and don't talk about
>secularism.

	and if pseudo-Hindutva babblers cannot fulfill the demand of this
	worm :) then shut up and don't talk about anything... :)

>
>Remember tolerance is not cowardice. Renunciation is not weakness. We
>Hindus cannot be fooled any more by these WORMS.
>
>-- Virendra Vernma

	Nor can the WORMS :) be fooled by slimy idiots like you :)

	FFT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: uttamma@i88.isc.com (Uttam Majumdar)
Subject: Immigration  issue 
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Distribution: soc.culture.indian
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:42:58 GMT


Hello immigration gurus::

    I have some queries relating to the immigration interview.

    Someone gets his/her labour certification from State A,
    and I-140 approval from State B. Now if he/she files for
    the adjustment of status (I-485) at state B, what kind of
    questions he/she may expect at the interview ?

   Thanks for your responses ?
     

Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:41388 soc.culture.pakistan:18471
From: dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Idols RE: Why did Muhammad Break Temples
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:37:43 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1gtjsiINN3nj@menudo.uh.edu>, mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:
> Best article from Deb in recent times. Let me try to elucidate some points
> to make the problem more clear.

  Ich danke ihnen sehr viel ! Was machen sie yetzt ? 8-) 8-) 8-)
> 
>......(deleted)........
> Rather tried to impose the laws. The problem is the imposition. There should
> be no compulsion in religion according to Al-Quran. However, if the Muslims
> are a majority in an area and the majority of the population believe that
> Islamic laws are the BEST set of laws then by the principle of democracy that
> should become the law of the nation: this is the inherent equation of
> Dar-ul-Islam(As Raj points out) with the muslim-majority regions.

 This is the major problem, as Raj had pointed out many times. Pampered 
 community are the Muslims - in India. Reminds me of Animal Farm - George
 Orwell. Do you know how many Muslims have read that book ? 

> What is the solution? To me the demand of the RSS seems like an appeal to
> the Muslims to subjugate religious loyalty in favour of the national loyalty.
> But I cannot dictate to anybody that in his personal life the national loyalty
> MUST take preference. If he willingly chooses to do so that is fine. Personally
> I believe in transcending both the religious and national loyalty to the
> loyalty of the idea that earth is one family. However, the majority of the
> people do not believe so. Hence this faux pass is going to remain.
> Arindam
> The tabernacle of unity hath been raised, regard ye not each other as
> strangers. Bahaullah
>

 Arindam, you have again started to patronize your Bahai faith and taking
 recourse to (p)secularism. Why there should be a Sharia law for Muslims and
 why these noble gentlemen can practise their religion free-wheeling on the
 social fabric of India - at any speed they want ? Is this written in the
 Qur'an - to do what they can anywhere anytime ? Or are you again up to your
 old tricks ?

    - deb chatterjee
   (a good samaritan)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:40592 soc.culture.pakistan:18068
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: "...... to castrate the Hindus ..."
Date: 13 Dec 1992 18:34:17 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
NNTP-Posting-Host: neuron.tamu.edu

In article <1992Dec13.083801.6463@beaver.cs.washington.edu> hasan@cs.washington.edu (Shams Hasan) writes:
>
>Women are burnt alive in India, if they donot bring enough Jahez, or dowry
>and the belief in Satti is alive and well, as it will always be in 
>Hinduism, no matter how many authors you list, and trips you make to the
>library.
>
>THE FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.
>
>Best Regards,
>Shams Hasan.
>

Just shows how ignorant you can be.  Sati indeed exists.  It is practised 
(about 1 incident every 2 or 3 years) by a very small section in rural 
Rajasthan (who probably do not even account for 0.01% of Hindus). 
The rest of the 99.99% Hindus do not practise it and condemn it every 
time such an incident occurs.  So is Sati still a part of Hinduism ?! 

The dowry malady exists in much larger numbers but it has absolutely 
nothing to with any religious beliefs.  Marriage has taken the form 
of illegal buisness transactions in India. FYI, if I can prove that 
a certain person has demanded dowry, then I can legally get him 
imprisoned. If dowry was a religious belief, don't you think the 
majority Hindus would not have labelled it "illegal" in the first 
place.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: vijay@controls.ccd.harris.com (Vijay Ruhela)
Subject: Need Tix to India(N.Delhi)
Organization: Harris Controls and Composition
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:15:44 GMT

Hi:

I need a ticket to travel to India sometime next week?
Most travel agents say there is no chance.
If anybody can help with it. It be greatly appreciated.
And obviously I am looking for a decent price.

Please e-mail.

This is urgent.

Thanks

Vijay
(vijay@ccd.harris.com)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: Re: How to prevent the likes of Ayodhya
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 14:54:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.225057.26370@eng.ufl.edu> Ravi Kiran <ballams@pine.circa.ufl.edu> writes:
>Cross posted from alt.culture.us.asian-american
>
>Lining up and shooting any body is not going
>to solve problems of this nature.  IMHO, it seems
>like religion is the root cause of all this.
>I guess 
>destroying all the religions of the world will atleast
>prevent problems of this sort to happen in future. 

Sounds likes throwing the baby out with the bathwater,
but OK, I'll bite. How do we ban religion??? And if
someone refuses to give up their religion, let us
destroy them too? 

>Religion as it is used now does more harm than good.

You see to forget that religion has
done a lot of good also.

>So it should be the case that the intellectuals should
>find a way to remedy this world of religion.

Why do you presume that intellectuals are against 
religion. Truth be knownst, some of the deeps thinkers
in history were religious.

>The concept 
>of God is no longer a helpful one, or so it seems. Just like a 
>rotten limb is amputated,  the concept of religion 
>should be completely removed.  

Oh! My. Pretty stern. I think Mrs. Marx, Engels and  Lenin also
suggested this idea. Look what happen to  their idea.

>Then nations will 
>not be segregated because of religion, people will
>not use religion for discrimination, people will not
>fight bloody wars in the name of religion and who 
>knows they may even stop fighting over other things 
>too.  

An incredible leap of logic that a world without religion
would be a more peaceful one. It seems that wars have always
been fought and will continue to be fought long after the likes
of us are gone. Who knows, maybe people will fight wars for 
water, trees, food, clean air, etc. People are pretty resourceful,
they have always managed to rally their armies against a common
cause. If not religion, it will be something else.

Oh! by the way, there are a lot of people who actually try to 
live up to the tenents of their beliefs, by leading a good, moral
life.
 
>YES, just like untouchability was made against law
>in India, so should religion be made against law in 
>the world.  

Sounds like something out of the Communist Manifesto. So, people
don't jump on me, yes, I believe castes are a bad thing. I was 
refering to the commenting about banning religion.

Besides, banning something, never solves anything, anyway.

Rakesh Patel
From: vpadma@cs.pitt.edu (Padmavathi Vallabhaneni)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: F-1 practical training
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:51:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

Hi 

If anyone of you travelled to India on F-1 practical training permit,
I would like to know if you had any problems at the port of entry in US.
If the visa is a 5 year multiple entry one and is valid till 95, I
assume, that even if I am on a post practical training permit I need
not go to the US consulate in India for any visa. Am I correct?
Please reply to me directly. 
vpadma@cs.pitt.edu

Padma
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: rnk@cbnews.cb.att.com (ram.n.kumar)
Subject: Re: Fake Degrees From TamilNadu
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:20:31 GMT

In article <BzD2Ev.7Bq@cs.psu.edu> narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana) writes:
>>In article <BzBx4A.AHM@cs.psu.edu> narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu
>> (Kuram T Narayana) writes:
>>>Next time you hire an RA/TA/postdoc or admit a student to a graduate program
>>>from TamilNadu, take care to see whether the degrees are for real or
>>>fake.
>>>

[B.S. (Bull Shit) deleted]

>
>I think you missed the point still. The article says that in TN there

[M.S. (More of the Same) deleted]

>That is the reason why I sounded an alert to check the degree
			^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>credentials of candidates; normally in US people tend to ignore that aspect.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>...kt
>.
>
>

		NARAYANA!! 
		NARAYANA!! 
		NARAYANA!! 
		NARAYANA!! 

If you are really serious about the "Alert", use your money, take out
a full page AD in NY times, to help the "US people" learn about "Tamil"s.
Start putting commercials, on prime time TV.

You might also want to consider advertising in "Times Of India" etc.
By doing so, you will be helping "Indian People" too.
India being a poor country, can benefit tremendously (a lot more
than US) by your alert, by double checking, triple checking, credentials
of all Tamils.

Also sound another "alert" that, Tamils who routine apply for RAships/TAships
with fake degrees, are capable of entering USA on "fake" passports.
That will also help "US people" very much, particularly during the
recession. Write to State department, to carefully double-check passports
of Tamilians.

Your stupidity seems to have no bounds.
Just make sure that you do have an "AUTHENTIC" brain in your head
and not a FAKE one.


One more stupid person and One more stupid note on SCI!!
Nothing New!!

	Thamizhan eNRu Sollada!! Thalai Nimirindhu Nillada!
	Thamizhan eNRu Sollada!! Thalai Nimirindhu Nillada!
	Thamizhan eNRu Sollada!! Thalai Nimirindhu Nillada!
	Thamizhan eNRu Sollada!! Thalai Nimirindhu Nillada!
	Thamizhan eNRu Sollada!! Thalai Nimirindhu Nillada!
From: sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Riots in India - 1947, 1984, 1992
Date: 14 Dec 1992 14:47:09 -0600
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: sor.crhc.uiuc.edu

indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes:

[...]

>(By the way, very recently some bunch of NUTS opposed to starting the 
> parliamentary sessions with Vandemataram, and the whole ISLAM APPEASING, 
> MUSLIM  VOTE BANK ass licking SECURALIST  Members of Parliament
> of our BELOVED nation  have  accepted to such things. ( I guess November'92). 
>BJP and  Shiva Sena staged a walk out)

Without commenting on the rest of Indu's post, I'd like to focus in on this
part. I'm curious: What reason was advanced by the MP's who were against the
starting of parliamentary sessions with Vande Mataram? I wonder how anyone
could possibly take offense at its content. I have often woken up in the
morning to the strains of Vande Mataram playing on my grandmother's radio
in Madras and always thought that it was a beautiful song. My knowledge of
Sanskrit is rather limited since I learnt it for only 4 years, but from
what little I could discern of its meaning, there wasn't any religious content
to VM, only patriotic fervour.

-srinivas
-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD))
Subject: Re: Read before criticizing sati
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:47:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.211858.9168@ryn.mro4.dec.com> verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma) writes:
>
>Before anyone dare to criticize sati, look at these killings of witches.
>At least sati was volunteer not forced. I condemn all killings.
>
>
>------------
>
>                                *                      last update: 11\15\90 
>  
>                    THE KILLINGS OF "WITCHES" 
>The following are all documented incidents in the killings of
>"witches."  ONLY incidents solely relating to witchcraft accusations
>have been included. Bear in mind that this is probably NOT all of
>them. Some were guilty. Most were probably innocent. Some were
>Satanists, others were not. Some were just senile. ALL on this list
>died as a result of a witchcraft accusation.
> 
>                        ****************** 
>                                 
> Adamson, Francis: executed at Durham, England, in 1652 
>
	************	700 lines deleted	***********
>-- Virendra Verma

Where do you get the time to do all this?!  Does DEC give you 3 or 4 hours
for lunch?  And did anyone read this whole thing anyway?

Ed

Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:40585 soc.culture.pakistan:18065
From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Who's doing the killings...
Date: 13 Dec 1992 10:59:09 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1gelseINN281@tamsun.tamu.edu> gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>
>This religion of non-religion/self-profit banks on the survival
>of the fittest concept. While it does seem cruel to eliminate
>the unfit (or pawns in the chess game as you put it), it is but
>a fact of nature. Look around at any ecosystem that is governed 
>by natural laws alone (without interference from any philosophical 
>reasonings) and the harsh reality is the survival of the fittest. 
>(Though it certainly does not mean that the unfit have to be 
>systematically eliminated by the fitter. That's where I agree 
>what this self-profit religion, carried to the extreme, can do)
>
>Mankind has always had a tendency to deny this harsh reality and 
>tried to govern himself with more altruistic laws (some of which 

Your last statement percisely states our fundamental difference

Whereas the statement decrees the "survival of the fittest" to 
the "harsh reality" for man with no "will" or "potential" to
overcome it, Islam  considers it to be simply a "harsh anomaly"
that man has imposed upon himself by disregarding "the truth".
He has not only the "will" but also the "potential" of relieving
himself from this "harsh anomaly". 

	We have indeed created man
        In the best of moulds 

        Then do We abase him
        (To be) the lowest of the low

        Except such as believe
        And do righteous deeds:
        For they shall have
        A reward unfailing

        Then what can after this, contradict thee 
        As to the Judgement (to come)?
  
	Is not Allah the wisest of the wisest Judges 

        [Quran 95:4-8, Abdullah Yousuf Ali's translation]

It is thus upto man whether he lifts himself from this
"harsh anomaly" to his pristine purity!!!!



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: sjayanth@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Satyanand V. Jayanthi)
Subject: Re: Sati's history
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:07:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.105305.25530@math.ucla.edu> troly@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Bret Jolly) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.063835.10691@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sjayanth@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Satyanand V. Jayanthi) [Narain] writes:
>
>Narain> In fact, there is i think  (some one can correct me),
>Narain> there is only one instance of a woman burning herself 
>Narain> on her husband's pyre mentioned in the
>Narain> pre-muslim period and that was of MAdri in mahabharata...but
>Narain> anyone will agree that it is not sati.
>        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>   Why is this not suttee? 
>
>Narain>Narain (from a friends account....)
>Narain>narain@bass.bu.edu         
>
>
This is not suttee(!)..The reason is simple. There was no concept of sati
prevalent then. It is a case of a wife burning hereself to death as a pun-
ishment for inducing her husband to sex, knowing fully that the husband was
carrying a curse which would kill him as and when he would indfulge in sex.
Not until the 10th century do we haeeve a recorded instance of sati and
indian history in its verifiable form is from 6th century onwards. That is
for 16 centuries of recorded history, there was no mention of prevalence of
sati.

Hope that clears things a bit.

Narain
narain@bass.bu.edu

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From: plaul@engr.latech.edu (Pummy Laul)
Subject: Aligarh Muslim University Cls of 1990
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 12:49:48 GMT



Hi there,

I am posting this for a friend.  All email responses may be mailed directly to 
me.  

Alauddin Abdul Salim Alauddin is in the US.  He is a graduate of the AMU 
class of 1990, Civil Engineering Batch.  He is trying to locate his 
batchmates & other friends who might be in the US.  

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You may reply to this email account or you can reach Alauddin at the phone
 number provided in my signature file.

Thank You 

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From: fafat@usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: agnostic government.
Date: 13 Dec 1992 14:07:43 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
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Srinivas Sunder writes:

>Why not instead get the Government OUT of religion altogether, and 
>make the Govt. agnostic? That way, neither will different religious groups

>Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

	This is easier said than done :) No politician in his right (read
	crooked) mind is going to give up a trump card like religion in a 
	multi-cultural set up like India. It's
	an instrument which sways masses of asses.... The unfortunate aspect
	of politics is that only the crookedly shrewd survives and every
	successful politician knows how brilliant the policy of divide and
	rule is, as far as ascending and maintaining the power throne go...
	To that extent, the demand to make India a "Hindu" state is
	understandable (Though even in an Islamic state like Pak, there're
	intra-religion skirmishes). The only caveat is that the "minorities" 
	form a sizeable chunk and such an effort would be opening the 
	floodgates on a large-scale civil war.	:(:(

	FFT