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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Stanford Shopping Center (was Re: Marky M. and Vanity Fair)
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:29:46 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1993Jan5.143333.29021@Princeton.EDU>,
sbgreene@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Steven Greene) wrote:

> How about the Monterey Market?  It was a savior for us kitchen queens,
> though I never did understand how they could have the best produce at
> the best prices and still pay Stanford Shopping Center rents.

The Monterey Market certainly qualifies as one of The Great Mysteries
As Yet Unexplained by Modern Science.  And there are some Caaayuuutteeee
waiters across the way at Max's Cafe.

*X*
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From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Travel Advice Needed - Tuscany
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:44:14 GMT



I've got a trip planned this summer which includes
a one-week sail around the Ionian islands of Greece.

Being that I intend on taking two to three weeks
off, I've been asking around for advice for where
to go for the week or so before the sailing trip.

One response I received was "Tuscany".  Between
Florence and Siena.  Driving.  He told me it was
*beautiful* and the first week of June would be the
perfect time to go.

I'll be hanging out in bookstores this weekend reading
about it, but I would love to have some first-hand 
information or advice or whatever.

Thanks in advance -

Greg
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New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Is Dan Quayle a Twinkie?
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:14:49 GMT
Organization: LLNL

In article <thaaang.726850736@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>As both a twink and a male bimbo, I object to the implications of
>this thread.

	I guess the general consensus here is the Dan Quayle is an
embarrassment to twinkiedom.
-- 
/Loren Petrich, the Master Blaster
/lip@s1.gov
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From: read@athena.mit.edu (Read Weaver)
Subject: Re: Do hard times cause hate?
Keywords: economics, cause, prejudice, sociology
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:03:31 GMT

I think the chief problem with Mr. Rizzo's argument (that no easy correlation
can be drawn between hard times and hate) is that it (his argument) is
chiefly about _personal_ response.  I would hesitate (to put it mildly)
to say that poor and working-class people are more "prejudiced" than others.
But I think it is saying something very different to say that there is
an increase in bigotry _broadly_ when the world turns scary--and that mostly
means economically scary.

Political Research Associates (a Cambridge, Mass.-based research/consultant
group) accurately predicted the rise of the Posse Commitatus (sp?) at the
beginning of the farm crisis in the midwest, _precisely_ because it was
clear that the folks who'd been screwed out of their farms were going to
need to find someone to blame.  The Posse trotted out The Protocols of the
Elders of Zion and convinced folks who'd been decent until then that the
International Jewish Conspiracy was responsible.

I don't think it's stretching things too far to suggest that much the same
thing is happening in eastern Europe and Russia right now.  The U.S. 50s is
another example, but one that says the issue is "scary times", not necessarily
"hard times."

Certainly we can't say that hard times _necessarily_ results in these particular
social problems (I would suggest Nicaragua in the 80s as a counterexample), nor
can we assume that economically good times will make things easier for everyone
(viz. the U.S. 50s).  That doesn't mean that the generalization is worthless,
just that it's not airtight.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "latency" (was Re: US Schools Adding Lessons on Gay Life)
Date: 10 Jan 93 19:32:34 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison

In article <C0n6EG.77F@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara
Chibnik) writes:

>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

> >As an example of something that *isn't* latency, I suggest
> >the interest our Cobra Woman seems to show in these details.
> >:-)

>That's Cobra Woman aka Mongoose.  You know Mongooses, right?
>We go after snakes.

This explains the banana remark as well, eh?  Actually, I do
know mongooses, from a trip to the Virgin Islands (goodness,
I had no idea the sea could be as beautiful as *that*!).

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Tampa update
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:49:35 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) wrote:
>aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
> 
>>The Florida Supreme Court has scheduled oral hearings for May 6 in the
>>case to overturn the Tampa referendum.  The city of Tampa and its elections
>>bureau are fighting this on our side.  More when it happens...
> 
>On what grounds are they going to overturn the repeal? The fact that the thing
>was illegally put on the ballot?

The petition was rejected initially because there were not enough valid
signatures.  The AFA got a court order to have the referendum anyway.  The
city of Tampa and the lesbigay rights groups are fighting to have the
referendum overturned on the basis that the petition was not valid.

>Or do you think they will go as far to say that Florida's constitution says
>that you can't discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation? That WOULD
>be a leap!

Another case has this possibility.  The Sheriff of Orange County fired an
officer because he is bisexual.  The local court reinstated the officer
and stated that in his jurisdiction (Orange County, I believe) governments
could not discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation.  The Sheriff is
due to appeal, and the Supreme Court could rule that state and local 
governments could not discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation.

The Sheriff applied for the vacant position of Police Chief of Ft. Lauderdale.
He was rejected because of this fiasco.

Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson@ocean.dnet.nasa.gov
"Home is where your roof landed" - t-shirt seen in Miami
"We Will Rebuild (tm)" - majority community response to Andrew
"We Will Redecorate" - gay community response to Andrew
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From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Therbligs (zw{i,a}cky matters)
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:51:14 GMT

In article <lkmhbgINN25m@news.bbn.com> levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin) writes:
>
>You're close.  There is a book (and subsequent movie), which is either
>LIFE WITH FATHER or CHEAPER BY THE DOZEN (I can never remember which
>is which).  

Cheaper by The Dozen, so named for the 12 kids Mr. Mrs. Gilbreth had.
I'll resist the urge to say more before Ellen asks me to do myself in
again. 

Ry 
ry@usl.com
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From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:42:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.182645.16870@psych.toronto.edu> jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:

>In article <C0r3B9.5B5@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>
>>The modern, public gay rights
>>and queer liberation movements around the world mark their "coming out"
>>at Stonewall.
>
>I'm just trying to reconcile these
>all-inclusive simplistic statements with my knowledge that there's a
>_lot_ of diversity in a population of 5 billion across six* continents
>and a recorded history of more than 5000 years.

I find this argument astonishingly naive.  History has spoken, and it
spoke at Stonewall.  If you or anyone else can suggest a single event
that was even comparably significant with respect to gay liberation in
the same way that Stonewall is, then we have a debate.  Otherwise,
those 5000 years don't add up to bullshit.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
From: mush@craycos.com (Randy Murrish)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: the Christian Coalition comes to Colorado Springs
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:33:48 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation



Well I guess it was inevitable but the Christian Coalition will be
coming to Colorado Springs to protest in front of two gay-friendly
stores, Poor Richards Cafe and the Chinook Bookshop because they
*GASP* *CLUTCH THE PEARLS BABS* knowingly employ gays and lesbians.

I can just see the scene unfolding now .... (wavey line motif)

** the scene shifts to downtown Colospgs with many protesters in front
of the Chinook Bookshop...

CC person:  Repent and be saved, do not buy anything from the Chinook
            Bookshop.  They are evil incarnate (sp) here on earth and 
	    they must be destroyed.

Randy:      Why must they be destroyed?

CC person:  Because they sell pornography, like that evil devil
            Madonna's book called Sex, because they promote and
            encourage free thought by not banning any book from their
            shelves, because they knowingly employ gays and lesbians.

Randy:	    They do?  Say I've always had a crush on John, you know, 
	    that guy who works in the non-fiction section, do you
	    think he'd like to go over to Poor Richards for some 
	    coffee sometime?

CC person:  (throws up hands and falls on knees in one move, Randy
            thinks he is in the correct position for, well, you know
	    what)  Save this sinner, oh Lord, for he knows not what he
            does.

Randy:	    Thanks but no thanks, I'd rather have John kneeling before
            me rather than you.  I wonder if he is working tonight?
  	    (Randy wanders into the store and over to the non-fiction
            section as John flashes his perly whites and winks...)

** wavely line motif again **

In response (it's more like if you can do it so can we), Ground Zero
(the new group here in town) will be holding a protest in front of the
new offices of Colorado for "Family Values" which will turn into a
march to Will Perkins Chrysler Plymouth.  Word has it that CBS news
will be here to film our protest.

Later...Randy


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1110 Bayfield Drive                                   mush@craycos.com
Colorado Springs, CO 80906                                719.540.4274
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson)
Subject: Re: tearoom sex and bathroom police
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<1993Jan11.153016.18746@lclark.edu>
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:50:03 GMT

Bil Snodgrass (snodgras@lclark.edu) writes:

   Would't it
   take some of the excitement away if a tearoom person knew it didn't matter
   if he was going to get caught?

There are a lot of myths about tearoom sex:  two or the more prevalent
ones are that only closeted (in the sense of not a member of the
lesbigay communited) people do it, and that part the fun is the
possibility of getting caught.

The first one is patently false, although one could re-define
"closeted" to include those who are out in the community but don't
tell their friends about what went down in the bathroom that
afternoon.  There are also closeted gay men.  And bi men.  And
"straight" men looking for that perfect blow job.  There are also a
few who aren't ashamed to talk about it.  Why should they be?

The second one is probably false in a statistical sense.  For me
personally, the fun parts are being able to meet guys and play with
them without a lot of emotional fuss.  I have a bubby; I'm not looking
for another.  I just find it easier to meet guys who are looking to
play, not to fall in love, in such settings (there are others:  parks,
peep shows, baths).  If anything, the fear of being caught is a
deterrent, not a thrill.  I'm confident there are others for which the
"thrill" thing is true, but my guess is that they're in the minority.

--
Tim Wilson
Internet:  tim@ear-ache.mit.edu	
UUCP:  mit-eddie!mit-athena!tim
Bad Colorado.  No business.
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From: thumim@nevada.edu (JON THUMIM)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:56:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.204040.5631@wixer.cactus.org> will@wixer.cactus.org (Bill Staniewicz) writes:
>I recently went shopping for a new bottle of
>cologne and was reminded by the variety of choices
>available. Among those were: Obsession, Drakkar Noir,
>Stetson, Kouros, and Eternity for Men. 
>
>Does anyone have any idea what the most popular
>may be within the gay community. Is there any special
>preference? Are the manufacturers aware of this?
>
Several years ago, I mentioned a liking of Paco Rabanne and my mother
said, "Oh don't wear that.  That is what all those gay men wear."  I
about died laughing.

Personally, Eternity for Men, Sung Homme, and Farenheit (otherwise
known as Fag-n-Whore) will do it for me.

Peace.
Jon



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From: michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane)
Subject: Re: Wil Wheaton at MacWorld!!!!!
Keywords: ARRRRGHGHGHGHG!
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date:  7 Jan 93 20:43:08 GMT

mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>And *I* - who have a Wesley Crusher postcard pinned to the
>wall of my cube - *cannot* *go*.  No.  *I* am stuck here,
>where I have to set up fifty some odd macs and four big 
>old IBMs sose as Very Important Developers will be happy,
>and sose as there will be a Macworld *next* year - where
>I can probably *again* miss the beefcake...

that's what you get for becoming a permanent employee...

--mike
From: ST402341@brownvm.brown.edu (Gary Byma)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Musings on Madonna
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 00:31:59 EST
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu
News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

In article <73289@cup.portal.com>, Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
said:
>
>Tracey McCartney writes:
>>Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't
>>all gay men programmed to speak of Madonna in hushed, reverent tones?
>>: ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : )
>
>Hmmm. If this is right, then Arne isn't gay.  I rather like
>that thought.... ;-{)##]
>
Give it a rest already! I thought you were going to retract those
claws.
And for the record, possessing a central nervous system doesn't
necessarily make you a sentient being.

Gary Byma
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:08:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1993Jan6.230856.6520
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1993Jan6.103934.7243@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>The essential oils, some of them very rare substances indeed, are
>usually stocked in bottles varying in size from a gallon (or imperial
>gallon) to two ounces.

I don't know what the difference is between an "essential oil" and a
regular old oil, but I'm quite fond of these. There's a root shop here
in Portland called Crone Magic (ObMotss - the owner's lesbian) that
sells lots of them.

clove oil makes a great topical anaesthetic, especially in the mouth.

clover oil makes a pleasant fragrance.

I'm trying to find the name of this other oil I found. It smelled
something like vanilla, but it wasn't.
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                 All of the freaks are not inside the tents
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From: TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tracey McCartney)
Subject: Pride rings going mainstream? (was Re: Pride Ring Colours...
Organization: Home of the @&#^%$* Crimson Tide
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:17:12 GMT

In article <KMEYER.93Jan6162616@solarium.aero.org>
kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer) writes:
 
>
> cc4507@u.cc.utah.edu (Chucki Carpinello) writes:
>>>
>>>      I need to know where I can get a Pride Ring Necklace (?) at a good
>>> price innocently :)
>>> thanX
>
>You can also order them from The Christopher Street West Association
>by calling 213-656-6553 and having your MC/VISA number handy.  Any
>profit made goes back into supporting GLB* organizations in California
>and around the country.
>
>In addition to the traditional rainbow rings they also have black and
>pink triangles.
>
Here in good ol' Tuscaloosa, AL., you can get pride rings at a place called
Claire's Boutique, one of a chain of costume-jewelry outfits at shopping
malls everywhere. I understand that one of the veejays on MTV has begun
wearing them on the air, and they've become sort of a mainstream fad. Am I
the only person pissed off about this? As the woman who runs the sorta gay
bookstore I visit occasionally in Birmingham put it, "Damn. Soon as we get a
good signal worked out, they take it."
So do this: If you ever spot someone wearing the rings, make it a point to
thank them for showing their gay pride. I'll bet that more and more frequently
the response you'll get will be shock and embarrassment.
 
Tracey
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: tearoom sex and bathroom police
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 23:20:28 GMT


In article <1993Jan12.142218.23532@lclark.edu>
snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:

>In article <1993Jan12.133337.28250@macc.wisc.edu>
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>In article <1993Jan12.123214.22351@lclark.edu>
>>snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:

>>>In article <1993Jan12.111353.16313@macc.wisc.edu>
>>>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>>>In a free society you would not need "protection" from law
>>>>enforcement.  In a free society, sex in park toilets would
>>>>not be a public-relations issue.

>>>Very true!  But I know of no such free society.

>>Are you saying, therefore, that such objections as mine
>>are not valid for that reason?

>Well, where were you refering to Jess?  There is no free
>society on this planet.

If the point above escapes you, still I would hope it would
not be lost on most people.  You've in effect said that that
which does not exist can never exist.  It's not the first
time you've endorsed the status quo as legitimate, though I
earnestly wish it would be the last.

>It would be nice if what you said could be.

If a sufficient number of people were to insist upon
justice, there is no way on earth it would not prevail.
That's why it's so important for you -- for all of us -- to
step aside from our own limitations and join forces behind
ideas leading to real justice.

>Then again I get pissed when I am trying to take a shit and
>I see some one looking through a peep whole.  What about my
>rights to privacy?

I believe a free people are entitled to privacy.  But what
if I were to respond here exactly as you did above: "There's
no real privacy in modern life, it would be nice if there
were."?

In practical terms, of course, you cover the hole on your
side.  Doesn't seem such a big deal as you're making it
sound.  And some real solutions, if they can be devised,
would address your concerns in a yet better way.

>>>Ah, I do remember talk about one when I was a kid growing
>>>up.  But it was just a myth like Santa Claus.

>>Are you trivializing the idea of freedom because there is no
>>Santa Claus?  Sounds like you're still a kid.

>I revert back to Childhood and you show your senility.

I wonder what you fancy you achieve with such a low-quality
thought as that?

>Guess we are even in our search for this 'free society' you
>speak of.

Bil, these are serious matters we're talking about, serious
enough that the people listening here probably merit more
respect than you're showing them.

<> The Golden Rule is of no use to you whatever unless you
<> realize it is your move.
<. -- Frank Crane
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Subject: Re: Baby with no father
Reply-To: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:35:14 GMT


In a previous article, pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland) says:

>A group of us were shooting the breeze over coffee last night when
>two of the women announced they were planning to have a baby next
>year.  After the usual good wishes, someone mentioned she had
>heard that a clinic in Australia was combining two (human) eggs
>in vitro using the enzyme hyaluronidase, enabling two women to
>have a baby together, ie, two mothers and no father.
>
>Is this true or only a rumor?  Any and all details will be gratefully
>appreciated.
>
>Peggy
>

Hmmm...interesting.

While I can neither confirm or deny this (though, if it were true, I suspect
it would have made big time news by now...) wouldn't that put a serious dent
in the arguement of those who would deny us equality in society on the grounds
that homosexuality isn't anything but a perversion because it is not
procreative?

:-)



>
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From: randyc@autodesk.com (Randy Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bar etiquette
Date: 7 Jan 93 01:32:06 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA


In article <1993Jan4.192515.23975@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@PacBell.COM
(Rod Williams) writes:
<in reply to the fabulous Nelson>
>
>I'm trying to think of a cafe in SF where queer people
>*don't* meet, whatever the intent... :-)

	Not possible.  Such a place would be almost
	unimaginable.

	BrainWash, on the corner of my street, is about
	as strayt a coffeehouse as I've ever seen in my
	life ... and that's not saying very much.

	Maybe you could make a case for some of the North
	Beach places being more closety, but that's about
	all.

	Cheers,

	-R


	P.S. And Happy New Year to all. -R


--
Ignorant people think it's the *noise* which fighting cats make
that is so aggravating, but it ain't so; it's the sickening
grammar they use.  -- Mark Twain
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