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From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
Subject: Solid Lifters?
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 03:26:02 GMT
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Well the rebuild on my 351W is under way and I'm hoping to finish soon.
As for the cam:  should I try to go with solid lifters?  My dad wants me
to put a solid lifter cam.  Would this be wise?  All opinions and info would
be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
Tom McClendon
gt7038d@prism.gatech.edu

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Subject: Solid Lifters?
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 22:22:11 GMT
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-> Solid lifter cams are great if you like adjusting your valves every
-> couple of months.

 Nah.  I've run 40,000 miles or more between adjustments on solid lifter
cams.  I've got to where I don't even bother to make regular checks any
more - I do 'em once a year if I remember, or when they tick a little
longer when they're cold if not.
                                                                                                           

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Posted by: emory!chaos.lrk.ar.us!dave.williams (Dave Williams)
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Subject: Re:  302 parts compatible?
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 15:38:27 GMT
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Will a 302 oil pan fit on a 351 Windsor?

Tom

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Subject: Re: Drag racer built on a truck frame?
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 03:57:02 GMT
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On Dec 19,  2:15, The Hotrod List wrote:
> Subject: Re: Drag racer built on a truck frame?
> > -> now as far as power. what would be the cost of beefing up that block,
> > -> why not go to a bone yard and get a 460. you want all of the inches
> >
> >  Since he already has a 429, converting it to a 460 would be simple:
> > the crank and pistons are the only differences.
>
>   I would recommend trying to find a set of 429CJ (or equiv) rods too, since
>   they are they same length, same diameter holes, and literally twice as
>   beefy.
>
>   Neal Howard
>
> ----------
> Posted by: Neal Howard <emory!gatech!cmptrc.lonestar.org!neal>
>
>
>
>-- End of excerpt from The Hotrod List



Is the only difference between a 429 and a 460 shortblock the stroke?
Where is a good place to get 429 rods?  I was thinking about
rebuilding my 460 tow-car motor, and the big rods sound like a good
idea.

-Bob


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From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
Subject: Re: 302 parts compatible?
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 20:48:45 GMT
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-> Hey Mark Jose, my mailer won't recognize the address you list so I'll
-> reply to the list.
-> Can you dig me up a set of the 351C aussie rods cheap?

 Weren't you trying to sell a set of BOSS 351 rods just a few months
ago?
                                                                                 

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Posted by: emory!chaos.lrk.ar.us!dave.williams (Dave Williams)
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Subject: Re: 302 parts compatible?
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 16:48:35 GMT
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> Now, for you Australian fans, there's the Australian 302 from the '70s,
>which was a derivative of the Aussie-built 351 Clevelands.  It is
>essentially a destroked 351C, and might be considered a high-deck BOSS
>302 with 6.02 inch rods.  They import 5.0 Windsors from the US now.
> 
> For you guys running in the 5-liter classes, an Aussie 302 crank in a
>351C block could give you a huge advantage over the Windsors.
 
Can I assume they don't do this already? What about weight? Isn't the
351C block a lot heavier?
 
I have one car with the 351C (circa 1972) motor as you described,
destroked by the factory to 302. Everything bar the rods and crank are
the same - makes life hard when you need to tell at a glance what the
capacity is. Trust me on this, but the 302 loves to rev its head off,
more so than the 351 which seems to baulk at the chance to exceed 6000
RPM (even without a rev-limiter).
 
Anyway, I have a query. I have been told that the 351 motors produced
here were more 4 bolt mains than 2 bolt mains. From about 1975 on, we
produced 2 bolt only and imported the 4V 4 bolt mains 11:1 motor from
the US. What was this motor, was it a 351C?
 
Incidently, in 1972, the Australian 351C 4 door GTHO achieved the
fastest speed of a production car of 167 MPH. Not bad for a car 3450
lbs (1568 Kg), hey? Boy those were the days. Now we get this 5.0L
Windsor (made in Mexico?) and fair dinkum, it would have trouble
pulling the skin off a rice pudding.
 
Cheers.

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Posted by: Mark Jose <emory!werple.apana.org.au!speednut>
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From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
Subject: resonant chambers
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 I brought this subject up once before, but I think it vanished during
one of chaos' mail snafus.

 A friend in England is running a sprint car class that uses
limited-modification 2000 OHC Fords.  The main problem is carburetion -
the dinky Weber-Holley 5200 flows barely enough air for 5000 RPM, while
the valvetrain is good to 7000, and (sob) cams are unlimited under the
rules.  Alas, there's simply not enough airflow to feed a high RPM
motor, even playing with trick ultra-long-inlet-duration cams.  I
recommended he run a cam peaking around 5000 and running the engine down
where it could breathe rather than fighting it.  He says that gives him
an edge out of the turns.

 Anyway, he says some of the locals are running canisters attached to
the intake manifolds.  They're about the size of a Coke can, attached
with a rubber hose, and usually mounted directly under the intake.
This threw me for a while, until I figured out what they're doing.

 The device is a Helmholtz resonator, and it's smoothing out the
pressure variations in the intake manifold.  It's probably tuned for
right about where the engine runs out of air.  On a four cylinder engine
the induction pulses are very sharp, particularly as the 2000's manifold
is a long-runner job with a very small plenum.  Carbs are rated at
*continuous* airflow.  Unfortunately, intermittent induction pulses
require a larger carburetor for the same airflow - that's why you see
1000 CFM or more on a 302 Ford with and independent-runner manifold and
Webers, while 600 CFM is plenty with a four barrel.  By smoothing the
induction pulses, they can actually draw more air through the carb.
                                                                                             

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Posted by: emory!chaos.lrk.ar.us!dave.williams (Dave Williams)
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Subject: Re: 302 parts compatible?
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 16:57:48 GMT
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Dave writes:
>"or B&A is coming out with an intake to put Windsor heads on the Cleveland"
Why would you want to do this?  I always thought the strong part of the 
Cleveland was mainly its heads.  Thanks.
Tom McClendon
gt7038d@prism.gatech.edu

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Posted by: emory!prism.gatech.edu!gt7038d (MCCLENDON,WILLIAM THOMAS)
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Subject: Re: iron to aluminum glide conversion
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-> Next problem is changing to the new (2 bolts UP) starter.

 Uh.  That brings me to another question.  My '60 Chev has the 235 six
and three speed manual.  I want to drop in either a 262 or 350
(depending on which one I finish first).  I know I have to get the front
mount tabs, but I'd forgotten the starter.  Will there be any problem
with that?  Or does it just bolt to the bellhousing like it did before?
              

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Posted by: emory!chaos.lrk.ar.us!dave.williams (Dave Williams)
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Subject: power steering
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 18:23:20 GMT
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 I would like to retrofit power steering to a '65 Falcon.  The car is
 currently manual steering.  The correct power steering for this car
 is a slave cylinder rig.  Since this particular car is a steet
 machine with no collectible value, I'd prefer to use an integral
 power steering box if possible.

 My Chilton's manual says some later (presumably '71-'73) models of
 the Mustang used an integral power steering unit.  I realize the big
 hog Mustang was a different chassis than the '65 Falcon/Mustang, but
 does anyone know if the steering box will interchange, presumably
 with minor changes?

 I could adapt a Saginaw box, but I'd have to do a lot of bending on
 the Pitman arm, and I'd prefer to avoid that if possible.
                                                                                                                          

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Posted by: emory!chaos.lrk.ar.us!dave.williams (Dave Williams)
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Subject: Ford vs Chevy bashing
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 03:48:43 GMT
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 I don't know what the heck is going on around here.  I'm a Ford man
through and through, as my "This is Ford country, where, on a quiet
night, you can hear a Chevy rusting" T-shirt attests.  (I'd wear a
Performance Engineering T-shirt, only John hasn't announced them yet)

 Somehow the Chevys are invading.  My shop now has an '87 350 which is
under repair (needed welding on frozen water jacket - purchase price
$100, with 3000 miles on it).  Then came a 262 short block, which I
swapped a set of lifters for.  Then a 307 long block for $40.  I'm
planning on boring the 262 to take 305 pistons and running 6 inch rods,
and either it or the 350 will go in the '60 Chev.  The 307... heck, it
was cheap.  The crank is bad, but I can swap in a 350 crank and use 230
six cylinder pistons to make a 329.  Why?  Well, heck, PAW will sell me
a 350 crank for the same price as a 327, and the pistons are the same
price, so why not?

 I went down to pick up the 350 block a little while ago, and my
favorite welder gave me a free four-bolt 350 block too.  Hey, free is a
quality overlooking many faults, and considering my brother looked for
two months for one in Delaware (and paid $250 when he did) I guess it's
a deal.

 What the heck.  At least I can sell them, which is more than I can say
for the 194 Chevy six in the storage shed.  Only 30,000 miles on a major
rebuild (line bored, decked, etc) and nobody wants it.  Maybe I can
stand it on end and mount a mailbox on the end.  Lots of people around
here with mailboxes on crankshafts, but I've never seen one using a
whole motor...
                           

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Subject:  list outage
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Emory university has been down for maintenance since Friday.  That is why
there has been no hotrod list traffic.  Sorry for the outage but it has
to happen sometimes.

Merry Xmas and all that,
John
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Subject: 302 parts compatible?
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-> I was wondering which parts off of a 302 would work on a 351 Windsor?
-> (distributor, manifolds, etc.)  Thanks.

 Valve covers, air cleaner, exhaust manifolds (except for pre '75 351),
heads (for post '75 and 351K), distributor CAP, dipstick.  Darned
little, in other words.

 The following parts do NOT interchange:

        Flexplate/flywheel  (balance)
        distributor  (different diameter)
        oil pump   (longer, takes different size drive)
        intake manifold (wider)
        oil pan (wider)
        harmonic balancer (different balance)
        rods (longer, bigger rod bearings)
        pistons (different pin height)
        timing cover (no provision for front oil fill; mismatch at
                      block)

 The 351W water pump is nominally different, but 351W and 302 pumps
appear to interchange.


 Now, for you Australian fans, there's the Australian 302 from the '70s,
which was a derivative of the Aussie-built 351 Clevelands.  It is
essentially a destroked 351C, and might be considered a high-deck BOSS
302 with 6.02 inch rods.  They import 5.0 Windsors from the US now.

 For you guys running in the 5-liter classes, an Aussie 302 crank in a
351C block could give you a huge advantage over the Windsors.
                                                                                             

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Posted by: emory!chaos.lrk.ar.us!dave.williams (Dave Williams)
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Subject: improving fuel
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 17:50:14 GMT
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 What recomendations does anyone have for improving
the performance of commercial fuels? 
 i.e. The impact of octane boosters, lead additives, etc.
I'm building a supercharged small block V8 and would like
to use fuel/additives that will perform the best without
harming anything. 

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Posted by: emory!resdgs1.er.usgs.gov!mfugazzo (Mark Fugazzotto)
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Subject: RE: 351C trivia...
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As far as running 351C's in NASCAR, don't know.  I have read about someone
running one in an '85 Mustang GT.  I believe it was a 2 bolt main block,
blueprinted/balanced, 3/4 inch roller cam, a *big* 4 barrel (Dominator?)
The car was featured in Hotrod, around 1989, I think.  I believe the caption
said something about it being the first normally-aspirated, non-nitroused
GT to run in the 9's.  1/4 mi. time was something like 9.97 or so.

True, it's only running a quarter mile at a time, but that's going to be me
main application, so I'm not too worried about cylinder wall thickness.

If it blows up, I'll go for the 351 SVO - which sells for $665 at Summit
(0.060 over block.  The other ones are about twice that price).  Thinking
about the amount of money I've sunk into this project over the years, I wish
I'd just done that to begine with - the 4 bolt mains would be kind of nice...

As far as power from the 302 vs. 351C, now, why would I go to all the trouble
of taking a beat '66 Mustang coupe, putting it together from scratch (and
credit cards:)), notching the shock towers, etc.?  Now where will that 351
go... <grin>

Thanks for the injection info (John DeArmond [sp?] supplied info?)


Mike Jamison

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Subject: tools
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 While flipping through the new JC Whitney catalog this afternoon, I
found something interesting:  Nomex sleeves and gloves for working on
hot engines.  Sleeves are $17, gloves $36.   They also have economy
Kevlar sleeves for $9, which might be handy if you're working on
something with lots of sharp edges.
                                       

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Posted by: emory!chaos.lrk.ar.us!dave.williams (Dave Williams)
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Subject: Ken Duttwieller does a FORD
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 02:15:39 GMT
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-> Duttweiller (of Turbo Buick fame) is doing a project for CC.  The
-> unusual aspect of this project is that he is doing a FORD (*gasp*)
-> motor!  Kind of a shock to us Buick fans :^)

 Long ago, Bob Glidden switched from running Fords to Chryslers.  Ford
had withdrawn from racing again, and Chrysler offered him a sponsorship.
Glidden had been on a long winning streak, but his competition had
written him off - surely it would take years to get back up to speed.
They were shocked when Glidden showed up next season and started winning
again.

 "An engine is just an air pump. It doesn't care what name is on the
valve cover."   - Bob Glidden


-> only the exhaust housing is replaced by a drive pulley.  The article
-> goes thru all the reworking that Ken did to make the motor stand up
-> to the challenge and then shows some of the one-off stuff that he
-> fabricated for the project.

 A one-off what?  Duttweiler made a pulley, or whittled a whole blower
out of aluminum?  The info I got from Vortech a couple of years ago
showed a curve falling off drastically at about 10psi, and 10psi ain't
gonna get you 700hp!
                                                                             

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Subject: Buick -->> volkswagen
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-> I like the shape and the way the Ghia drives, having owned several. I
-> also know that Buick V6 transplants used to be quite popular to
...
-> Does anyone still make adaptors to go from the Buick motor to a
-> Veedub transaxle?

 You might remember my babbling about this seven or eight months ago.
I'd thought of that myself.

 Kennedy Engineered Products used to make an adapter, but the last
address I have is 1980 and the letter came back as addressee unknown.
You might also check with Crown or Kelmark, or flip through one of the
VW mags.  If you find addresses, I'd be very interested.

[I know Crown's out of business and I think Kemark is.  JGD]

 KEP also used to make adapters to put the Buick 215 V8, Subaru
flat-4, Corvair flat-6, Mazda 12A rotary, and Evinrude two stroke
outboard motors onto the VW/Porsche transaxle.  Maybe a Turbo Rotary
Ghia?
                      
[I picked up the VW mag someone else recommended.  Interesting article
on KEP.  Pix showed some guy standing there with a Ford/Yamaha 5.0 
engine sitting on a stand right beside a veedub transaxle.  Transaxle
looked to be about the size of the intake manifold... JGD]

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Posted by: emory!chaos.lrk.ar.us!dave.williams (Dave Williams)
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From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
Subject: Re: 302 parts compatible?
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On Dec 22, 22:56, The Hotrod List wrote:
> Subject: 302 parts compatible?
>
>  For you guys running in the 5-liter classes, an Aussie 302 crank in a
> 351C block could give you a huge advantage over the Windsors.
>


Would you expand on this statement?  Thanks!

-Bob


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