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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:52:57 PDT
              <GEODESIC@UBVM.BITNET>
From:         THE END IS NIE! <RHYSLING@PHOENIX.BITNET>
Subject: RE: questions

Oh, yes, It's the Natural Spaces Sales Rep again.
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 10:08:45 PDT
Reply-To:     Richard Everman <reverman@uci.edu>
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From:         Richard Everman <reverman@KA.REG.UCI.EDU>
Subject: RE: questions
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In message <9207311405.AA09922@ka.reg.uci.edu> List for the discussion of
Buckminster Fuller's works
              writes:
> Oh, NO, It's NOT the Natural Spaces Sales Rep again !!! I own a dome that
> I constructed myself with their system and believe in the system. I also
> believe in sharing my experiences in dome building with other interested
> people. I'm sorry that you have such a hard time accepting that. It almost
> sounds as if you are jealous or maybe envious. In any case I'm tired of being
> accused of being something that I'm not. So get a life and bother someone
> else.

I'm new to this listserv.  Should I know what this message refers too?

Thanks




Richard Everman
Associate Registrar
215 Adm Bldg
University of California, Irvine
Irvine, CA 92717  USA

(714) 856-7901          (voice)
(714) 856-7896          (fax)
reverman@ka.reg.uci.edu (email)
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 07:48:00 CDT
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From:         "Terry Cooper, Computing Services,
              x2014" <SCSD1005@ALTAIR.SELU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: USENET gating - problems(?)

Christopher, I got your message.  Prior to receiving your message,
I had gotten only one message in several weeks.  So, there doesn't
seem to be much activity on this list.

 ...terry  (Southeastern Louisiana University, Hammond, Louisiana)
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 09:02:25 CDT
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From:         dosemagt@UWWVAX.UWW.EDU
Subject: RE: questions
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Oh, NO, It's NOT the Natural Spaces Sales Rep again !!! I own a dome that
I constructed myself with their system and believe in the system. I also
believe in sharing my experiences in dome building with other interested
people. I'm sorry that you have such a hard time accepting that. It almost
sounds as if you are jealous or maybe envious. In any case I'm tired of being
accused of being something that I'm not. So get a life and bother someone
else.
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 10:46:46 PDT
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From:         Jim Lutz <jdlaps@DANTE.LBL.GOV>
Subject: RE: questions
X-To:         GEODESIC@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu, reverman@uci.edu

>  > Oh, NO, It's NOT the Natural Spaces Sales Rep again !!! I own a dome that
>  > I constructed myself with their system and believe in the system. I also
>  > believe in sharing my experiences in dome building with other interested
>  > people. I'm sorry that you have such a hard time accepting that. It almost
>  > sounds as if you are jealous or maybe envious. In any case I'm tired of
 being
>  > accused of being something that I'm not. So get a life and bother someone
>  > else.
>
>  I'm new to this listserv.  Should I know what this message refers too?
>
Thanks Richard,  I'm wondering the same thing.

	Jim Lutz
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From: wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG)
Subject: USENET gating - problems(?)
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:41:42 GMT

Sorry about this, but:

I have been reading this group through a gateway to internet for ~1
week, and have seen (since my initial reading) only 1 article posted -
apparently in reply to a message that I do not have.  If this were a
standard USENET group, I would have assumed that the traffic had
distribution set to USA or something similar, and I was simply not
getting it here.  However, as this is a mailing list, I'm not sure
what's up.  Has there been only one post recently?

If anyone has more information regarding the above, please email me at
the address below (if possible).

Also, I am not sure that this article will get anywhere - I would
appreciate at least one reply from each of USENET and BITNET.  I
realize that I may be asking for a flood of mail here, so if you could
make the Subject: line read something obvious like USENET gating, I
would much appreciate it.

One final note: not having seen a FAQL, I ask 1) does one exist, and
how can I get it, and 2) is this group/list for the discussion of all
of Fuller's work, or only geodesics?

Sorry for such a long post...

Thanks, 

Christopher Allen
(wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca)
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:52:00 EDT
From:         JONESEL@APPSTATE.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Phone Books w/ departmental listings

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     31-Jul-1992 11:42am EST
                                        From:     Ernest Jones
                                                  JONESEL
                                        Dept:     CAMS
                                        Tel No:   704 262 6276

TO:  VMSMail User _IN%"CWIS-L             ( _IN%"CWIS-L@WUVMD.BITNET" )


Subject: RE: Phone Books w/ departmental listings

The question on directories was answered by another person on our
staff.  I will address the Intramural question.

We have an intramural posting of all events with time and place
indicated.  Standings are also listed.  In addition, the workers
schedules are also posted, such as timers, referees etc.

This fall paper schedules for officials/workers will not be issued.
They will be expected to check the CWIS for the schedules.

Ernest L. Jones, Director                 JONESEL@APPSTATE.BITNET
Computer and Management Services          JONESEL@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU
Appalachian State University              Phone: 704 262-6276
Boone, NC  28608
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 10:31:03 EDT
From:         Richard W Wiggins <RWWMAINT@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Phone Books w/ departmental listings

A lot of sites have telephone directories online, in many cases
accepting CSO searches. You can often find someone whose precise name
you don't know by doing a keyword search in the department field, but
this isn't the same as browsing a departmental phone list.

Most university staff directories have a section sorted by name and a
section organized by unit name. Does anyone have the departmental style
listings on their CWIS?

/Rich Wiggins, Gopher Coordinator, Michigan State U
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:28:30 EDT
From:         Leny Struminger <struming@KLINZHAI.RUTGERS.EDU>
Subject:      providers agreement
Comments: To: cwis-l@wuvmd.wustl.edu

We, at Rutgers University, do not have a formal agreement yet with the
providers of info for our cwis.  We found that some depts. are very
interested to have their material up-to-date and posted immediately in
cwis, while other need to be asked continuously.  We do provide
statistics monthly to some departments, to others, by request only.
This was established at the time when we started to get data from a
provider.  With some providers we sit down and help them organize the
material.  We do this, because we accept only electronic format (some
may e-mail the material, some send us disks, some may have their own
branch in cwis menu and they are responsible to maintain the data).
Occasionally we sent memos to remind providers to check the material
sent and to update it if in need.  Now, in the summer we sent a mailing
to all departments who sent us data during the academic year, to
remind them to send us what they are preparing for the coming year.

Leny Struminger
Info Project/LCSR-Computing Facilities
struming@zodiac.rutgers.edu
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:38:16 CDT
From:         "Mark P. McCahill" <mpm@BOOMBOX.MICRO.UMN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Any X-Windows CWISes
Comments: To: CWIS-L@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu

In message <199207221551.AA14686@mail.unet.umn.edu> "Campus-Wide Information
Systems" writes:
> We at Rutgers have some X window applications as part of our CWIS

There is an alternative to the Rutgers software for a CWIS that
supports X access. You could look at using gopher because there
is a gopher X client (as well as a bunch of other clients).
Gopher software is available via anonymous ftp from boombox.micro.umn.edu
in the /pub/gopher directory tree; the X client lives in the file
/pub/gopher/unix/xgopher.1.1a.tar.Z


Mark P. McCahill

University of Minnesota                      Computer & Information Services
room 125 Shepherd Labs                             mpm@boombox.micro.umn.edu
100 Union Street SE                                     612 625 1300 (voice)
Mpls., MN 55455                                           612 625 6817 (fax)
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 10:41:35 EDT
From:         Richard W Wiggins <RWWMAINT@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Intramural Sports schedules on CWIS?

I've encountered CWISes with information about intramural sports online,
which seems like a good idea.  Has anyone embraced posting team schedules
(and perhaps results) on the CWIS?  We have 42,000 students and several
thousand faculty and staff; there are hundreds of teams in multiple leagues
each term.  It would be nice for participants to be able to look up their
team's schedule online.  (Reporting scores and league standings would be
another possibility.)

/Rich Wiggins, Gopher Coordinator, Michigan State U
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 09:46:00 EDT
From:         JONESEL@APPSTATE.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Menu organisation

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     27-Jul-1992 09:39am EST
                                        From:     Ernest Jones
                                                  JONESEL
                                        Dept:     CAMS
                                        Tel No:   704 262 6276

TO:  VMSMail User _IN%"CWIS-L             ( _IN%"CWIS-L@WUVMD.BITNET" )


Subject: RE: Menu organisation


We did not seriously consider a menu systems following our
organizational structure.  We did, however, consider a menu structure
that related to constituencies.  ie we thought about a section for
faculty, students, staff and visitors.

We have ended up with a mixture of topical items and some with
constituent groupings and provide an index of topics with keywords to
get the user to the information they want without traveling through a
set of menus.  Some people feel it is important that you force people
through a menu structure so they will know all the areas covered but
we consider rapid access to desired information is important.

The user chooses the route they wish to take and we are sure that
route differs with individuals and with circumstances.

Ernest L. Jones, Director                 JONESEL@APPSTATE.BITNET
Computer and Management Services          JONESEL@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU
Appalachian State University              Phone: 704 262-6276
Boone, NC  28608
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:39:04 EDT
From:         Judy Hallman <hallman@GIBBS.OIT.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Questions on Starting a CWIS
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              "NOYES%HARTFORD.bitnet@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu" at Jul 29, 92 4:31 pm

>
> We are in the process of setting up a CWIS, and I'd appreciate sugges-
> tions in the following 3 areas:
>   1)  If you include tuition/fees in your CWIS, under what menu(s) can
> it be found?  At the moment, I have it with courses, but I'm not really
> comfortable with that.

In the UNC-CH INFO, select item #11 (Student life), then item #12
(Finances/expenses/aid), and then #4 (Expenses). As shown on the bottom of
the screen, that information came from the Undergraduate Bulletin, which
we split up and put in by subject -- a practice I don't recommend.
Also, from the main menu, you can select item #2 (About UNC-CH), then item
#9 (Statistical profile) and then item #1 (Basic statistics) -- it is on
the third screen. This table came from the "Fact Book."

>   2)  We have been toying with including an index, but we seem to come
> up with so many problems, the idea repeatedly gets abandoned.  If you
> have an index, how is it structured, is it a pain to set up, etc?
>
I think this is a very good idea, but we don't have one yet.

>   3)  When you first made your CWIS available, did you have any market-
> ing tactics that worked particularly well?
>
I'm not sure it was a "marketing tactic," but when we got jobs in our
system, the Human Resources Office sent a memo to everyone on campus
telling them about it and how to access it. That really got the people on
our campus using INFO.

  Judy Hallman, UNC-Chapel Hill
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:09:25 BST
From:         PEARCERA@IBM3090.BHAM.AC.UK
Subject:      Menu organisation

The system at Birmingham also allows direct entry to any menu. In practice
this is restricted to those menus which can be considered to be the
starting point of a data sub-tree. In theory, this can be provided for
every menu within the tree. Thus users don't have to 'start' at the 'top'
and work their way down.

This may well have an underside to it in that frequent callers, knowing
precisely what they want, become less and less aware of what the tree
looks like. (The MAP Document provides a very simple overview of the tree
structure; the ANCHORAGE Command tells the caller where in the tree they
are curently located.)

I wonder if this raises a question about how structures are modified.
If the caller is not required to proceed in a 'top-down' fashion, then
it is not difficult to imagine how regular callers could be 'left in the
lurch' if faced with a rather different-looking structure. But then,
it's bad form to make too many radical changes, isn't it??????
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/Original message\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\


Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 10:38:57 BST
From: Chris Bayliss <C.B.Bayliss@UK.AC.BHAM>
Subject: Menu organisation
To: ccc_cwis_blcmp.prj@UK.AC.BIRMINGHAM
Original-Sender: BAYLISCB@uk.ac.birmingham.computer-centre.ibm3090

Experience at Birmingham has shown that some items (including menus)
can belong in more than one place in the tree, as different users
will reasonably expect to find the information in different places,
depending on the nature of their search for information.

The ACSIS system solves this problem by allowing links across the tree allowing
an item (including a menu) to be present in more than one place, without
duplication of information.

For example, Campus Mail Services and the NRS (Name Registration Scheme) menus
are each included as items in each others menu.  This can be useful for the
user searching for mail addressing information who sees the NRS as a subset of
mail addressing information, whilst allowing the NRS section to reside under
the Remote Facilities subtree.

The user will not necessarily be aware of the cross linking, as they will
have found their information by following a set of menus in the normal manner.
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:46:09 -0300
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From:         Stephen Davis <daviss@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: 900-Number Survey
Comments: To: "Campus-Wide Information Systems" <CWIS-L@wuvmd.wustl.edu>

In <9207211222.AA04040@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, Janet Price writes:
>Judith,
>>   Does your institution block access to 900 numbers?
>In fall we will begin a new arrangement for long distance service to
>students that ties their bills to a pin number rather than to the
>phone number.  The reason we're doing this is so that all long
>distance bills can be attributed to an individual in a student suite.
>if we were to allow 900 numbers, which bill to a phone number, we'd
>be destroying our solution to the problem.  Students will be able to
>make 900 calls with a credit card however--I think.  We'll know more
>when the system is implemented.
>>   Does it do so for everyone's phone, or just for some
>>   lines? If only certain phones are blocked, how is
>>   the decision made?
>Only for student lines.
>>   Are there any other restrictions on outgoing calls?
>No
>>   What is your college or university?
>Kalamaoo College
>>   I would be happy to summarize responses if you send them
>>   directly to me.
>Would be interested in this.
>
>
>--
>            Janet Price (jprice@kzoo.edu)
>
WHEN SOMEONE OFFERS TO TAKE INDIVIDUAL RESPONSES TO A SURVEY AND SUMMARIZE FOR
THE LIST, I SUGGEST WE TAKE THEM UP ON THEIR OFFER, RATHER THAN GUNKING UP THE
LIST WITH THOUSANDS OF INDIVIDUAL RESPONSES .
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:57:45 BST
From:         PEARCERA@IBM3090.COMPUTER-CENTRE.BIRMINGHAM.AC.UK
Subject:      Re: Information Providers Agreements
Comments: To: CWIS-L@WUVMD.WUSTL.EDU

I forgot to add, that there is a document in ACSIS (No. 3 in a seies of
3) which provides INSTRUCTIONS for IPs. Nothing about AGREEMENTS here.

I have ad-hoc arrangements with User Group Chairs/Reps, USG staff.
Experience with the two 'outsiders', ie Computing Supplies & Staffing
Office, have been less than totally encouraging.

Going back even further, our experience with Geography in providing a
Weather Report was unprofessional to say the least, even leaving them
with the minimum amount of work to do.

Going back to ancient history, I recall another terrible experience
when I was the RAPPORT Database 'person' and the Safety Unit were
interested in setting up a widely-accessible database of health/safety
matters. It just didn't mateialize despite having had the additional
sevices of an MSc student for a year.

Nevetheless, I'm not deterred by such expeiences - just have to  press
on.
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:17:20 +0200
From:         Roy 'Baby' Pearce
              <pearcera@RS6000-1.COMPUTER-CENTRE.BIRMINGHAM.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Phone Books w/ departmental listings
Comments: To: CWIS-L@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu

Here at Birmingham University we have the Telephone Directory on our CIS.
You can select all the numbers associated with a Department using the GET
command. having got this you can then select a name using the GET command.
Thus you can get sub-sets (of sub-sets etc) and either browse or email
yourself a copy. Thus you can get a Departmental Telephone Directory.
Only one slight snag; you have to establish the way in which your department
is shown. Long names get chopped about a bit (tho it's consistent throughout)
in a way which isn't entirely obvious.
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:56:00 EDT
From:         Harry Nicholos <HMN@NCSUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Questions on Starting a CWIS

>
> Would any of you out there care to ship around on the net the main menus
> you use for access.  They would be very useful in helping a new user get
> started.  Many of us aren't on Internet so we can't dial in and access
> the systems directly.
>
Wally,

Here's North Carolina State University's main menu screen.  The NCSU and
Happenings! title are double-high, double-wide bold.  The Item Numbers are bold.

Cheers,
Harry Nicholos
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
NCSU's

                          H a p p e n i n g s !
                    Your campuswide information system


    1.  University Datebook                     8.  University Infobook
    2.  NCSU Press Releases                     9.  Computing Information
    3.  Faculty/Staff Telephone Directory      10.  NCSU Libraries Information
    4.  Student Telephone Directory            11.  Visitor Information
    5.  Jobs Jobs Jobs !!!                     12.  <future expansion>
    6.  Class/Course Listings                  13.  Reach Out
    7.  Crime Beat                             14.  Newsletters & Journals

                         99.  Help Using Happenings!

          Suggestions? Contact Harry Nicholos, NCSU Computing Center,
                    Harry_Nicholos@ncsu.edu, or (919) 515-5497.


Enter Menu Choice or Exit and press RETURN

NCSU>                                        Backup=PF3  Help=PF2  Exit=CTRL/Z
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:52:27 BST
From:         "C.K.Work" <C.K.Work@SOUTHAMPTON.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Menu organization philosophies
Comments: To: CWIS-L@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu

Regarding menu organisation - at Southampton we have opted for
menus which reflect the organisation of the institution. This was
for 2 reasons:

a) expediency - it seemed to us that we would enter into
potentially endless discussion/arguement if we tried to develop a
"thematic" menu from scratch. Much easier to borrow structures
which were already set out in the University Calendar and Telephone
Directory.

b) user familiarity - we felt that by using a structure which was
already familiar to our local users, it would make it that little
bit easier for them to use.

In practice, things aren't so simple - a surprising amount of
information is cross-departmental (we address this problem by
cross-referencing). There are also a number of areas which just
don't sit comfortably in our organisational structure (e.g.
Entertainment, sport etc.). This has led to the incorporation of
'thematic' menu topics as well.

Finally, strict adherence to the institution's organisational
heirarchy may not make the desired impression on the end user.
Currently, we have 'Administration' near the top of our Main Menu,
while 'Student Facilities & Support' (which is not formally
reflected in the institution's organisation lies near the bottom).
I think this is probably passing the wrong impression to our
students who are, after all, are target user group.

Currently, we are planning a menu re-organisation - we will keep
the organisational structure where it seems to help (i.e.
Faculties, Administration, Academic Services) but allow for a more
thematic approach where strict adherence to institution structures
results in  obscure or convoluted menu entries.

If you want to try the Southampton CWIS, its on the UK JANET
network (UK.AC.SOUTHAMPTON.INFO) no login required.

Colin K. Work
Information Specialist
University of Southampton Computing Services
C.K.Work@UK.AC.Southampton
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