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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 11:56:08 -0500 
From: Scott Gregory <wg2b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Sex & Violence (was cyberpunk at the arcades)


    Does anyone besides me think that a lot of cultural standards effect
the fact that on standard non-cable tv:

    1.  You find lots of violence and little sex in the U.S.
    2.  You find lots of sex and little violence in Europe.

    Personally, I'd prefer to live somewhere that encouraged us all to
get laid than to rip each other's heads off.  Call me crazy...
From: ggoebel@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Garrett Goebel)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: A CYBERPUNK BIBLIOGRAPHY
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:45:50 GMT
Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Deutschland

Don't forget Daniel Keys Moran's books
-Emerald Eyes
-The Long Run

have to be some of the best... to bad no one has heard of him (it seems).

-- 
Garrett Goebel,8811500 <ggoebel@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: u0a38@seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk (LJ Barton)
Subject: Re: What it means to be alive
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 21:20:52 WET
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   HIGH THERE...

		 Difficult one this...potentially extremely contentious...
   Don't you jst love it ?...So I'll just stick in a little bit of my oar...
...I haven't got time to go into detail yet, but for reasons I'll
explain later I've spent a lot of time considering this one from the
angle of consciousness and intelligence...


   So...just to make a dogmatic declaration for the time being:

   Memory is the dynamic persistence of qualia; personality the dynamic
persistence of memory.



   What's this got to do with what it means to be alive ?

   I'll tell you later...


	Cheers,	
		Lol    (Freelance thinker and imagineer)

--

			Just say 'No' to individuality
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
From: stank@perrault.unet.com (Stan Knight)
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Keywords: email--stank@herb.net.com
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:29:47 GMT

In article <Bxts2B.98A@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cwf50862@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The Last Bard) writes:
>I agree the Bible has been misinterpreted by many groups to oppress other 
>less popular groups.  But my real question is why can't you accept the
>ultra-literal translation that people of non-judeochristian backround are
>are damned?  (just intrested.)

>chip fay
>cwf50862@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

I know you had addressed this question towards Bob, BUT if you had wanted a
one on one discussion with him then you should have used e-mail.

Whether or not a person believes that the judeochristianity is the one "TRUTH"
kind of depends on if you are one of about 30% of the world that grew up
where that was the domainate religion. Of course everyone knows that the
religion that they believe in(no matter which one)is the one "TRUE" religion.
If you want to get into the ultra-literal translation, that would mean that
a person would have to make a concious choice to beleive that Jesus was the
one true Messiah. Of course that automatically damns anyone who wasn't lucky
enough to live somewhere where this was taught. Of course that also means that
Hell must be full of babies who died before being old enough to be correctly
taught huh? There are those who are born,
live long relatively good lives and die without once hearing the name Jesus.
Oh well I suppose those damn ignorant savages deserve to fry in hell right?
And what if a person is taught about many different religions and decides to
choose another besides judeochristianity. They made a choice that I'm willing
to bet that you COULDN'T have because the vast majorities of fundies' knowledge
of other religions is based on hear-say, rumors and flat out lies. 

The most classic example I can think of would be Ghandi. Here was a man who 
lived his life as close to sin free as even the bibical Jesus. In short he came
closer to living as a true christian then anyone that either of us will ever 
know. He righted more wrong, stopped violence, haterd and bigorty and did more 
GOOD in this world, for more people, then anyone perhaps ever. But poor ole 
Ghandi burns in hell this very day because he didn't believe the same things 
that you do---yeah right. Believe anything you want but if you're going to
put all your faith in one place I would think you would examine those believes
very closely first to see if they make real sense.

Stan Knight
BTW:I grew up in a church that taught that even talking to none believers the
way you are doing now, is a SIN AGAINST GOD.(didn't buy it as a kid either)
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From: jim@jimmc.chi.il.us (Jim McNicholas)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,alt.industrial,alt.sex.stories.d
Subject: Re: ROBO-COPULATION
Date: 18 Nov 92 10:06:00 GMT
Reply-To: jim@jimmc.chi.il.us (Jim McNicholas)
Organization: Prime Time Productions Aurora, Illinois

morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus) writes:

> pochanay@cae.wisc.edu (Adisak Pochanayon) writes:
> 
> >      Those who believe they are the righteous are the ones going to hell.  
> > sinner who knows his soul is black who turns to God in humility and mercy s
> > ascend to Jesus' throne.
> 
> And Elvis lives in my basement.

        NO, he lives in mine!!!!


-- 
____________________________________________________________________________
|jim@jimmc.chi.il.us   |   ...And I believe in long, slow, deep, soft wet  |
|Prime Time Productions| kisses that last three days...good night...OH MY! |
|Aurora, IL. 60504     |        -crash davis to annie savoy in BULL DURHAM-|
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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From: jeffj@yang.earlham.edu (ChaOs)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Religious Stuff
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:32:23 GMT
Organization: Honest John's Used Toaster Emporium

In article <1992Nov15.060706.28811@deeptht.armory.com>, rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes:
> In article <imm2TB5w165w@entropy.mcds.com> morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus) writes:
>>sgreever@nyx.cs.du.edu (Steven Greever) writes:
>>
>>> I cannot believe in the things you do but in
>>> retrospect I had no right to criticize them.  You believe what you
>>> believe, and I shall continue to believe what I do.  Until then,
>>> it's ok with me if we all stop bickering.
>>> 
>>> Wouldn't the world be a much better place if we all could be friends?
>>
>>Hey wow, man...  I guess I'll have to go kill all those flames I was about to
>>Have a nice day unless you've made other plans...  ;-)
>>--
>>morpheus@entropy.mcds.com
> ------------------------------
> Respectfully to morpheus, I disagree. Greever, as long as you're on my
> planet, for now, you're a potential problem for my life and the lives
> of those I hold dear. You vote. You also run your mouth and try to
> convince other gullible humans of your sick doctrine. That makes me
> angry and if I get really angry, you won't like it at all. In fact
> you'll wish you were never born! Just a warning. My Goddess *DOESN'T*
> say that I can't kill! In fact in the case of dangerous loose screwed
> assholes like you, she positively encourages it! Get ahold of that and
> learn either how to not bite people who can chew you yp and spit you
> out, or learn voluntary silence. Whatever. You try to tell me how to
> live with assinine laws and I'll break several laws over your head
> till it leaks! Got that!
> 
> Now HAVE A NICE DAY!!!!!!!!!!
> - Steve

It's kind of ironic that the name of your site is deeptht, because you never
seem to think.  Greever was at least polite, intelligent, and mature - three
qualities that you seem to lack.  If you don't want to listen to him, then
don't.  I disagree with Steve Greever, too, and so do a lot of other people,
but _nobody_ out there has been so immature and stupid as to threaten his life.  
He's expressed his willingness to live and let live, so why the hell can't yopu
do the same?

Oh, and by the way, since when is it _your_ planet?  I know of about 4 billion
other people who have just as much of a claim to it as you do.

Lighten up.  You'll live longer.

-- 
Jeff (ChaOs) Johnston                             JeffJ@yang.earlham.edu
From: craigw@fnal.fnal.gov (Craig Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Unicorn scene in Bladerunner
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:59:43 GMT
Followup-To: alt.cyberpunk
Organization: Fermilab - Batavia, IL
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnpm02.fnal.gov

In article <1992Nov18.184501.10575@news.cs.indiana.edu>, "norman danner"
<ndanner@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:
> 
> * ...The "unicorn scene" is just his equating Rachel 
> * with a mythical beast, she is both alluring and myterious.
> 
> Is this an opinion, or is it from the story?
> 

Read the book and find out!
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:07:29 -0500 
From: Scott Gregory <wg2b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: vague

Excerpts from netnews.alt.cyberpunk: 17-Nov-92 vague by Jonathan
Burns@latcs1.la 
> Ooooh boy. I hate to admit this about reality as I perceive it,
> but there are these people called Scientologists.

    They also publish "blacklists" of people antipathetic to their
cause, and encourage members to harass them in any way.  Wierd stuff. 
Main "church" or whatever is in L.A.  The first 100 times I saw it, I
thought it was a factory.

-Scott

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From: mimir@hardy.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage,alt.slack
Subject: Re: Ye Golden Rule
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:45:34 GMT
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society

In article <1992Nov14.201224.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> birmingh@fnalo.fnal.gov (Phillip J. Birmingham) writes:
>In article <1992Nov14.075603.23390@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, kmorgan@nyx.cs.du.edu (Karen Morgan) writes:
>
>> Sean,
>> I believe the quote you're looking for is.
>> Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law, Love is the Law, Love
>> under Will.
>
>         "Do what keepeth thou from wilting shall be the loophole in the
>    law." -- Book of the Subgenius
>
>         Seriously, this is the second time this year I've seen this
>    discussion on alt.sex. There are a zillion different versions of that
>    old saw floating around, including the Wiccan Rede and Crowley's
>    version. Probably you are *all* absolutely correct, so could we please
>    can it?

 The difference is that some predate the others by 50 years (or slightly
less) and are the sources for later versions. Some of these sheep don't
seem to realize this and think they've latched onto some ancient mystery.

Wassail,
Al
From: jsquires@ecst.csuchico.edu (John Squires)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Mondo--Questions
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:36:08 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu


  Mondo?  I keep hearing this name.  Is it a magazine, or what?
What does it cover?  Where can I find it?

			Thanks,
			  John Squires
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: space2@hardy.u.washington.edu (Tim)
Subject: Re: OMNI and Cyberpunk Article
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 16:31:10 GMT

In article tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox) writes:
>	If you're looking into that November _Omni_, you might as well
>have a look at "Gravity's Angel," a story by Tom Maddox.
>

	When I saw this title I had a serious case of deja vu:  Just saw the
fairly new Arkham release of _Gravity's Angel_ by Swanwick,  and I think 
there is another of the same name I can't come up with (or maybe its that Tom
had mentioned before that it was coming out..), and _Gravity's
Rainbow_ by Pynchon was a double Jeopardy question Friday.

...add _Angel Station_ WJW, "Angel of Goliad" Gib/Ster, _Angel Tech_ Antero
Alli, etc...

It seems alot of people seem to have come up with the Graviy or Angel Title
lately... (ok Gravitys Rainbow wasn't exactly lately... but you get the
idea).

Tim
 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: pacoid@wixer.cactus.org (Paco Xander Nathan)
Subject: Re: Mondo--Questions
Organization: FringeWare Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 08:40:05 GMT

In article <1eh4soINNcu9@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> jsquires@ecst.csuchico.edu (John Squires) writes:
>  Mondo?  I keep hearing this name.  Is it a magazine, or what?
>What does it cover?  Where can I find it?
>			Thanks,
>			  John Squires

Yeh, tis a magazine called _Mondo 2000_, formerly _Reality Hackers_, 
formerly _High Frontiers_, formerly ...

Grab a copy at any self-respecting subversive bookstore, or even just
drop by Waldenbooks and get it at the checkout stand..  There's also
a new Mondo 2000 book out that's edited by Rudy Rucker: lots-o stuff
from prev issues w/ commentaries and pointers out to smaller zines.

pxn.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: MACDONAN@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090
Subject: art and technology
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:27:09 GMT
Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom

anyone got ideas for a miniconference on art/performing arts and technology?
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ian@nasser.eecs.nwu.edu (Ian Sutherland)
Subject: Re: Life extension debate coming up in my flat?
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:18:43 GMT

In article <Af2jX8200awOEL=kVn@andrew.cmu.edu> Joseph S Ligon <jl8f+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
[talk about expanding into space deleted]
>This is a good point, IF the universe is infinite.
[...]
>The
>amount of time and space required for repetition is, in any case, large
>enough to not impose any serious limits on the population.   

What are you assuming about population growth rates here?  If you
assume exponential growth, even a HUGE finite size can be overwhelmed
before you know it.  Even if the universe were infinite, however, the
total size of the universe is not the real limiting factor.  The real
limiting factor is the speed of light.  If you can only move into new
space at the speed of light, the volume of space you can use grows as
the cube of the amount of time at most.  If the population is growing
exponentially inside that volume, it may very quickly catch up.
-- 
Ian Sutherland
ian@eecs.nwu.edu

Sans Peur
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: furiop@jec322.its.rpi.edu (Paul Joseph Furio)
Subject: Re: Neuromancer: Movie
Reply-To: furiop@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:19:54 GMT

 cstadba@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr C D Ward) writes:

>With all of the ideas floating about as to who is to play the parts, and
>who is to do the music, there is one important question.

>Who is going to do the cyberspace scenes, will it be left to one of the
>giants, such as industrial light and magic, or should some of the smaller
>production companies be let loose. the smaller company may not have the
>manpower, but they might produce a better result, perhaps being closer
>to the ideas that the book is about??

	Indeed.  I have been desiging "Cyberspace" scenes on my Amiga using 3D rendering and hand drawn methods for over a year now and what I create has been quite a bit different from the "Lawnmower Man" vision of Cyberspace.  I am sure there are others out there who also have unique visions of cyberspace that, while original, are still valid and close interpretations of Gibson's idea of the Matrix.
	An interesting idea (that would most likely flop flat on it's face) would be for the people on this net to make the Neuromancer movie themselves.  Unfortunately, without major actors or a major production house behind them, it would not sell.  I am, however, confident that we posess the skill to make the movie ourselves...


-- 

"And somewhere he was laughing, in a white painted loft, distant
fingers caressing the deck, tears of release streaking his face."
				-William Gibson, NEUROMANCER

"Make it so." - Captain Picard
"Damn." - Will Riker
"Bark Bark Bark Bark!" - Dr. Beverly Crusher

Paul J. Furio      -      furiop@rpi.edu
From: troy@athena.cs.uga.edu (Troy Johnson)
Subject: Re: Wireheads, VR Sex, etc.
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:50:38 GMT

To try to put all of this into perspective I will paraphrase Dennis
Miller from a performance here at UGA.  After he apologized for leaving
us with Jay he went on to say:

Have you heard about this new Virtual Reality stuff?  I've seen the
Lawnmower Man and heard some of the debates about it can be mindcontrol
etc., and I just realized this.  The day when Mr Redneck can sit back
in his Lay-Z-Boy with a beer in one hand and a remote control in the 
other and make love to Cindy Crawford ... it's gonna make crack look
like aspirin.

That is not an exact quote, of course, the performance was weeks ago.
It is very close to the original and it gets the point across.  It WILL 
make crack look like aspirin.  Like everything thing else new and
revolutionary, some won't be able to handle it.  I, for one, can't
wait, because there will so much more we can do that we haven't even
imagined yet.  And I don't mean VR Sex, I mean incredible new things,
TOTALLY NEW experiences.  I will be one of the first in line to get
a head-jack. I just hope it is before I am 80.


Later,

Grummy
From: pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Patrick C Leger)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: what to pack for cyber-travel
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:51:41 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I kinda assumed that you were asking for things other than software...I mean,
you're going to need an operating system to start with, so I though it
would be assumed that you'd bring one of those...(Or, since a cyberdeck
is a souped-up terminal, you'd be able to access software from other
places anyway, so it wouldn't count then, either...)

Oh well.

--------------
Disclaimer:  If anything I have said has offended you, I promise not to
infringe on your right to just look away from the screen and ignore what
I'm saying.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (max legroom)
Subject: Unforgiveable Sin:  Reviving the Lawnmower Man threads
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 01:19:20 GMT


I'm sitting here watching the video release of the Lawnmower Man,
which is apparently the un-rated director's cut (just when you thought
we were finished with director's cuts...=), and it has revived my
beliefs the the conformist, negative consensus opinion of this group
at the initial release was harsh and reactionary.  Hold you rbreath
folks:  I LIKE THE MOVIE!.

At any rate, a couple questions and comments:

1.  Looking back, this film can be disected fairly excrutiatingly
close.  Now, I'm not saying it's as well-made or even comprable to
Ridley's Bladerunner, but Lawnmower Man does have it's readable
aspects.  For example, gee, wow, the Lawnmower Man is named Job.  if
that isn't a hint as to some semblance ogf symbolism, I don't know
what is.  

2.  I like the director's cut better.  The differences seem notable.
Does anybody have any detailed list of the differences?  Since, unlike
Bladerunner, we don't have the privelage of being able to review both
versions simultaneously (since the original release no longer is
playing, apparently).  So, again, does anybody have any detailed
accounts of the differences between the two versions?

3.  Any word on the sequel?

4.  Anybody thinking of reviving the thread of opinions of this film,
please shut up now.  Instead of wasting more bandwidth with tired old
comments, go find a site that has really old articles.  I don't care
to see a followup of this message that lists the entire quoted message
and then something like "THAT MOVIE REALLY SUCKED.  IT BIT.  WATCH
BLADERUNNER INSTEAD OR SOMETHING WORTH THE TIME."  Gee, that's new.

--
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: lensbs@rs6213.ecs.rpi.edu
Subject: Master of Blade Runner
Reply-To: lensbs@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:42:14 GMT

  If you have any questions regarding Blade Runner...contact
        shadowmar@cup.portal.com

he knows jsut about everything about the movie.

-- 
lensbs@rpi.edu                           |"New way what's this about a new
"I disagree with what you say, but I     | way" "Don't you laugh damn you,
will defend to the death your right      | don't you you laugh"
to say it."  -Voltaire                   |   -A Clockwork Orange
From: cwf50862@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The Last Bard)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:10:58 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Robert Haskins <RHASKINS@UMAB.BITNET> writes:

>The problem is not so much the Bible itself, as the interpretations of the
>Bible that have come about since and used as method of oppressing women,
>homosexuals, and non-Christians.  American Indians, Buddhists, and Hindus
>are totally divorced from the JudeoChristian tradition, through no fault
>of their own.  The ultra-literal interpretations of the Bible hold that
>these people are damned.  I can't accept that.

>Did anyone see _The Rapture,_ by the way?  (I know this is far from
>cyberpunk talk, but it's a great film!)

>Bob

I agree the Bible has been misinterpreted by many groups to oppress other 
less popular groups.  But my real question is why can't you accept the
ultra-literal translation that people of non-judeochristian backround are
are damned?  (just intrested.)

chip fay
cwf50862@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: damiens@cco.caltech.edu (Damien Sullivan)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Golden Rule
Date: 20 Nov 1992 22:03:24 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

	Most Effective Golden Rule, obtained from my roommate:

"Don't do unto others as you would not have them do unto you."

Logically, this may seem the same as the standard Golden Rule, but I 
think there is a great difference in practice.
			-- Damien Sullivan  X-)
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Bill Gates is twice as rich as Ross Perot.  Any ideas....?
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