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From: wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon)
Subject: Re: Jellico got it right... !
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:37:44 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.204711.7230@linus.mitre.org> m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White) writes:
>Jellico is the first StarFleet officer to really peg Riker
>for the insubordinate, hip-shooting yahoo he really is.
>Think of all the times Riker has screwed things up, 
>and been saved from really stupid blunders by Data,
>Troi, and just about everyone else on the bridge.  And
>if Troi is supposed to be wearing a uniform like everyone
>else, how has she been getting away with reporting to the
>bridge in her jammies all this time????  I think Jellico
>has just what the Big E needs; a little backbone... !
>

    I'd have to give my qualified agreement.  Jellico may not have the 
    smooth consensus building style of Picard, but his character is cer- 
    tainly within the bounds of reality.  Keep in mind that Riker, al-
    though he seems to demonstrate some tactical flair, doesn't seem to
    have what it takes to see the bigger picture.  ( Remember when Riker
    objected to Picard's sending the Enterprise-C back through time.  His
    reasoning was that the crew of the E-C would, "die a meaningless 
    death", certainly a case of being blind to the bigger picture. )

    Starfleet's attempts to get Riker to accept a command, albeit less pres-
    tigous than commanding the Big E, is probably their way of forcing
    Riker to develop a keener strategic sense, and they certainly won't 
    do it by giving him command of the flagship right off the bat.  That
    wouldn't serve starfleet's interest.  Riker IS stunting his career by
    not accepting the command of another vessel.

    On the subject of "backbone" however, although Jellico has a certain
    formal style, Picard is certainly capable of being hardnosed when the
    situation warrents it.  Again I refer to _Yesterday's Enterprise_.  In
    the same conversation that I referenced above, Picard's response to
    Riker's idiotic objection was, "I think that I'm aware of your opinion,
    Commander.  This is briefing.  I'm not seeking your consent!"
 

        	        	       	       	       	       	       	       
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From: pettypi@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Carl Pettypiece)
Subject: Christmas for Cardassians? (no spoilers)
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 06:30:52 GMT

Well, if there was such a thing, I know what one particular
Cardassian would have liked for Christmas.  I bet Gul would like
to get...a universal remote!  I hate looking for mine and it
seems that his desk is cluttered with them.

Cheers!
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From: scott@ryptyde.cts.com (Scott McClure)
Subject: Re: DID ANYONE PICK THIS UP -CoC II- Poss. Sp.
Organization: Ryptyde TimeSharing, San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 04:41:12 GMT

agscrib@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur Scribner) writes:

>^L

Spoilers, ahoy!

>^L
>Did any one else notice that when Picard's _torturer_
>was speaking to Picard about some ruins on some
>Cardassian planet, the Cardassian said the some of
>the artifacts had been _unearthed_. I just find it
>                          ^^^^^    
>kind of odd that the Cardassian would refer to the
>excavation of some other planet as unearthing, since
>that word is linked to our planet EARTH.

In his native language, perhaps.  But he was speaking Federation
Standard, a derivitive of English.  It would be perfectly natural.

>Arthur
>agscrib@afterlife.ncsc.mil

Scott

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From: harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp)
Subject: Re: Where was Ro in Chain of Command?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 05:17:58 GMT

rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:

>My understanding was that Forbes is doing some stage show at the moment, and
>will not be a regular in DS9.  (This is what the ST:TNG Companion said,
>anyway.)

Any idea what show this is?
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From: alix@iastate.edu (L.A. Melloy)
Subject: Re: Tasha Yars daughter
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 06:46:51 GMT

In <78768@hydra.gatech.EDU> cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd) writes:

>In article <1992Dec23.161351.11508@erenj.com+ mbaker@erenj.com (Michael Baker) writes:
>+I am curious to know about something.  I recently say a STNG show with Tasha 
>+Yars
>+daughter, who happens to be Romulan.  It was suggested in the show that Picard
>+sent her back from the future to some time in the past where she was captured by
>+Romulans.  While she was in the past, she apparently stayed tehre and mothered
>+this Romulan child.  How could she have gone to the past on Picards orders when
>+we all saw her killed?  Does anyone have any idea how this got by??? Maybe just
>+something to think about.

>Oh boy, Michael are you gonna get it!  You better start donning your
>asbestos underwear now.  The answers to the questions you ask are all
>covered in the episode "Yesterday's Enterprise", which is a consensus
>favorite.  Stand by to be roundly flamed as an ignorant idiot!  (Some
>people on the net have NO MERCY).

If it makes you feel an better, I had to have the entire plot of "Yesterday's
Enterprise" explained to ME when I first saw Sela (Yar's daughter) for the 
first time, too.  Seems that episode aired during a season I missed most
of, and didn't see it until almost a year after I first heard of it (this last
semester).  Pretty pathetic, for someone who knows most of the shows,now.
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From: msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood)
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Subject: Re: do we need rec.arts.startrek.dsn?
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:35:26 GMT
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)

Could we *suggest* (in a pushy way) that the DSN queries go
into the rec.arts.startrek newsgroup for now, then change the
charter/make a new group if the DSN traffic warrants it? That
would take some of the pressure off of this group...

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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Why Data has white face
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:19:00 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In <3595@voodoo.UUCP> larry@shiva.ca.boeing.com (Larry Miller) writes:

>Why is it that in 500 years they're still building androids that do not
>look human? 

Still?  Data and Lore are the first of their kind.

Besides, with so many species and races running around the Federation,
what's so important about looking human?  For all you know, that shade 
of white might be perfectly normal for someone from Vulcan's southern 
continent (where they also lacked the pointed ears common in the north).

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From: N2SX000 <N2SX@UNB.CA>
Subject: Re: Uniforms in Chain of Command
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 06:35:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.044804.1457@umbc3.umbc.edu> ac999239@umbc8.umbc.edu (ac999239) writes:
>>> In Chain of Command part II, how come Dianna Troi is wearing
>>> a blue medical uniform?   Is it because of the new captain, or because
>>> counselling and phsycology is medical?
>
>> 1) Blue means science, not specifically medical.
>> 2) Jellico gave her a specific order in Part I to wear a standard uniform.
>
>True...But I'd be willing to wager it no longer applied to the Physical
>Sciences as it did back in ST:TOS.
>.
What makes you say that?

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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: ST:DSN "Emissary" Program/commercial timings
Organization: Utopia Planitia Starfleet Yards, Mars
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 07:41:25 GMT



Here is the program/commercial timing for the premiere 
episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine "Emissary" (#721).


Part-1  TRT 56:15  (including spots)

Break #1   +17 min   3:45  (national)
Break #2   +35 min         (local)
Break #3   +44 min   3:35  (national)
Break #4   +56 min         end of part-1


Part-2  TRT 51:10  (including spots)

Break #4                   Untouchables promo
Break #5   +12 min   3:35  (national)
Break #6   +26 min         (local)
Break #7   +32 min   3:35  (national)
Break #8   +50 min         #404 promo, end credits


-{ Dean Adams }-
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
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Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Date: 25 Dec 92 18:34:53 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Dec22.225437.7163@nttor.uucp> mike@nttor.uucp (Mike Hollander) writes:
>In article <1555@ozz.oasis.icl.co.uk> dvp@oasis.icl.co.uk (Geezer) writes:
>>Yeah, well we had a women in charge here for a while and I hope it's a
>>long time before we have another! One Thatcher is enough!

>Your problem was an individual, not the fact that she was a woman.
>Don't assume that all women will behave the same way. That's called
>prejudice. (And yes, I see the unseen smileys in your article,
>and I hope you see mine too.)

Still, it's an interesting point.  Having a Margaret Thatcher type, or a
Phillis Schlafly type, or a Marilyn Quayle type, as captain of the Enterprise
would be no less valid then having a Gloria Steinem or Jane Fonda or Sigourney
Weaver type (or any other more "liberal" sorts) in command.  But I doubt that
it would make any of the people who long for a female captain very happy.

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( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
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Subject: Re: DS9 in boston area?
Date: 28 Dec 92 17:44:56 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <28DEC92.13051891@vax.clarku.edu> mcohen@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>In a previous article, brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) wrote:
>>Sorry, but our local CBS affiliate ran EaF during prime time as well.  They
>>will be running DS9 Thursday night at 7pm (next week).

>The info was according to Entertainment Tonight, when they said "One network 
>affiliate is even showing The Next Generation in prime time...WCVB-5 in 
>Boston..."  (8pm was their regular slot for two years.) I'm counting 'real'
>prime time as 8pm-11pm.  7pm (when we get TNG and repeats up the wazoo) is
>sort of a wishy-washy prime time.  But whichever. 

Well, entertainment tonight has never been a reliable source of information,
as far as I can tell.  That's why it's been dubbed "infotainment"...

Also, you should realize that prime time in THE ENTIRE CENTRAL TIME ZONE
(which includes Madison, WI and New Orleans, LA - my residences for the past 5
1/2 years) is between 7 pm and 10 pm, not between 8 pm and 11 pm.  This is why
prime time shows are frequently stated in ads to be on at "9 pm, 8 pm
Central".

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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: Troi Uniform Vote.
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:01:30 GMT

cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma) writes:


>	     Subject:  Troi's Uniform
>		  Votes:    Yes- As in Yes, we like the Uniform, PLEASE keep it!
>					   No- As in No, I hate not being able to see her breasts
>					       go back to the casual wear.

>	That's it! That's all! Do it today! :)


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Damn I hate this stupid auto-tab!

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Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
From: john.ewin@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (John Ewin) 
Date: 28 Dec 92 12:40:00 GMT
Reply-To: john.ewin@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (John Ewin) 
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eschlene@indiana.edu (Eric Schlene) writes:
ES>If one goes by the AP style book, numbers ten and under are represented
ES>by words. Therfore, DSN is proper form. But then again, styles change. .

Just an FYI that Paramount themselves calls it "DS9", and they have hats
for staff imprinted this way.
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From: rene@hardy.u.washington.edu (Rene Magritte)
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Subject: Re: Piccard's butt - Chain of Command II - SPOILERS
Date: 27 Dec 92 06:19:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec27.061915.14954
Organization: University of Washington

eschlene@indiana.edu (Eric Schlene) writes:
 
>Ok. It was a fine episode. Everybody got to hate Ronnie Cox. Piccard was
>tortured with care yet never broke; in fact he analyzed his captor and
>returned the mental attack. That WAS the point, wasn't it?

>So what was gained by making poor ol' Pat appear in the buff? C'mon Trek
>fans, we're smarter than that. Do we need sensationalism to make a point? 

>And I don't want to hear "well it wouldn't have been a realistic torture
>if they hadn't stripped him." Yeah right. Like they'd given him the
>terrycloth bath robe to cover up with as seen in the full body scenes.

>Paramount could have done the "stripped" scenes waist up and still had
>the same effect.

>Face it. Taste and respect for our intellegence just took back seat to
>trashy sensationalism.

>I'm dissappointed.

>Eric Schlene


	You overreact.  I, too, feared that this episode would take
sensationalize the torture/degradation of Picard, just to generate
interest in the show.  Certainly, the previews were painful enough in
themselves.   My fears were not realized in seeing the show.  There
seemed considerable restraint in showing us Picard's misery while
still managing to convey the hell he was going through.  Picard "in
the buff" seemed like a reasonable and accurate part of the rest of
his tortures.  And to this viewer, at least, the scenes would have
lost much of their punch if Paramount had done the tired and absurd
cinematic cliche of "from the waist up".
 
	Just a guess, but it sounds to me like you're a little hung up
on the idea of nudity on TV.  If I'm wrong, my apologies.
From: phil@phunt.MV.COM (Phil Hunt)
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Subject: Re: DS9 Preview Film
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 10:02:44 EST
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In article <C00Dqw.B5u@well.sf.ca.us> (rec.arts.startrek.current), emmanuel@well.sf.ca.us (Emmanuel Goldstein) writes:
] Did anybody happen to catch a 10 minute preview of Deep Space Nine?
] It showed here in New York this past Sunday evening but was 
] completely unannounced. It had interviews with the cast members,
] including the captain of the space station who isn't too fond
] of Capt. Picard for a rather good reason. 
] 
] I'm curious if this was on anywhere else in the country and even
] more curious if anybody has a tape of it they'd be willing
] to negotiate for?
] 
] emmanuel@well.sf.ca.us
] 
] 
I have a tape of the *56*-minute promo tape shopwn on satellite a few weeks
ago.

Phil

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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: RIKER: What a Class A Jerk
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:42:03 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In <BzzH6r.4xJ@boi.hp.com> smay@boi.hp.com (Scott Smay) writes:


>Jellico could have granted Riker permission to plan a rescue mission, 
>and made a legitimate command decision not to authorize it. The way he 
>handled it reeked of marginal leadership, IMO.

I'd go farther than that.  Even if he was 99% sure it wouldn't be
possible or required, Jellico should have ordered Riker to devise 
a rescue mission *as a contingency plan.*  His failure to do that
was an act of command incompetence.


>I liked Jellico, his character, his delivery, the works, but I didn't think
>he was a very good captain. 

Where is it written that all Star Fleet captains have to be good ones?

At least, Star Fleet captains don't seem to be as easily corruptable
as in TOS, where they only had to discover an anti-aging drug or a
few concubines on an out-of-the-way planet in order to go bad. :-) 


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From: tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo)
Subject: Re: DS9 or DSN?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 09:26:50 GMT

Well, I think after all of the promos for DSN, that it is DSN and not 
DS9...So far, I've seen it as STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE...I think it looks
better that way than the number, IMO.

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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: How to improve Star Trek (spoilers)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:52:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Dec22.234828.20258@phx.mcd.mot.com> rolandb@phx.mcd.mot.com (roland blackwell) writes:
>After watching "Chain of Command II" I feel even more confused about the
>abilities of the crew.  Now we have Riker as "the best there is" as a
>pilot(helmsman).  If that is true, then he should have piloted the E in
>"Booby Trap".  I understand that a bridge crew member should be versatile,
>but shouldn't they normally do what they do best. 

Besides the fact they were talking about shuttle piloting (I would think
a shuttle and the Big E are different beasts to pilot), I'm sure that
Geordi was talking about people that were currently available on the ship
for the mission (Picard wasn't a candidate by default).

There's also the mission with the null space -- Picard pilots a shuttle
out in front of E to lead them through the nebulae and back to safety
(the title escapes me currently).  Riker immediately volunteered for the
piloting job, but Picard insisted (very similar to the way he did in "Booby
Trap").


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From: ynecelc@sx.mont.nec.com (Ellison Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Data Watch
Date: 29 Dec 92 22:25:25 GMT
Organization: HNSX Supercomputers

In article <1992Dec29.193459.10090@linus.mitre.org> wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.194931.23139@sx.mont.nec.com> ynecelc@sx.mont.nec.com (Ellison Chan) writes:
>>

...

>> ... Obviously, either Jelico asked Data to wear the red uniform
>>or Data felt that it would be appropriate. 
>>

...

>    So Data, Geordi, and Worf, being the Operations Officer, Head of Eng-
>    ineering, and Tactical Officer, respectively, wear gold uniforms be-
>    cause they all have "support" positions.  Riker and Picard, the First
>    Officer and the Captain have no other duties and therefore wear red.
>
>    When Data was elevated to the position of First Officer, he wore the
>    red uniform because he no longer had a dual role.
>
>    Does this sound correct?

You know what else? If memory serves, almost every security officer
I've seen on TNG has worn red. Since Worf is head of security, shouldn't 
he also be wearing red?

Maybe uniform colour is more dependant on availabilty of a certain colored
fabric when the show is shot than what division an officer is in? :)


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