HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bugs@netsys.com (Mark Hittinger)
Subject: Re: What is so greate about the PDP 10?
Keywords: PDP 10, gods gift to hackers, TOPS, ITS
Organization: Netsys Inc.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:48:14 GMT


Ah TOPS-10 was just fun.  There were a lot of firsts for some of us.  First
bulletin boards, first multi-user games, first time we wrote assembler and
stuck it into the OS.

How about the JFFO instruction?  I miss the byte pointer stuff.

so - it was fun.  more fun than vms, unix, ms-dos, windows, x, nt, or even
os/2!  haw haw haw.

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: octal to decimal converter?
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:00:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.063052.15781@news.columbia.edu> lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
> (All of these K counts are word counts not bytes, so that's the
> same memory as 768K bytes using the CESI method, which is more than the
> PC 640K real mode limit.)

Actually, the PC real-mode limit is 1M, and it's frequently possible to
expand the contiguous memory up to 768K, depending on just what junk you
have in the I/O area.
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   Oletko halannut suttasi tnn?
  'U`    
Tarjoilija, tm ateria el viel.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: frank@rover.uchicago.edu (Frank - Hardware Hacker - Borger)
Subject: Re: What is so greate about the PDP 10?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Reply-To: frank@rover.uchicago.edu
Organization: Joint Center for Radiation Therapy
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:28:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.112555.62103@cc.usu.edu>, ivie@cc.usu.edu (CP/M lives!) writes...
>The 8008 inspired by the '11? It's about as far away from an 11 as you can
>get! The 4004 probably would still have been a 4-bit machine, and the 8008
>would still have evolved from that.

	The 4004 was inspired by the pdp8, not the 11. Subsequent Z80, 
	80xx, 80xxx, etc were evolutions of that.

	The other major player in the pc world today, the Motorola 6xxx 
	series, was modeled on the PDP11.

	What I find strange is that everyone expounds about multi-tasking
	on the 80xxx series, which by their basic structure, are single-
	user machines, while the 6xxxx motorola chips, with their basic
	foundation much more supportive of multi-tasking, are used in an
	inherintly single-user MAC.

   Frank R. Borger - Physicist    __       Internet:  Frank@rover.uchicago.edu
Michael Reese - Univ. of Chicago |___      Phone : 312-791-8075 fax : 567-7455
  Center for Radiation Therapy   | |_) _   In the first place God made idiots.
                                   | \|_)  That was for practice. Then he made
    "Birthplace of Softball"          |_)  school boards. - Mark Twain
From: daniel@mertwig.uucp (Daniel Drucker)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Apple ][e emulator (?)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 18:10:15 EST
Reply-To: daniel%mertwig@uunet.uu.net  (Daniel Drucker)
Organization: Abnormalities of Reality

c3q@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:

> A couple of us CS types were discussing the old ][e, and concluded that it
> would be a SMOP to write a ][e emulator (sort of an interpreter that took ][e
> object code and ran it on a virtual 6502, virtual graphics chips, etc). 
> Although this would be a real cool hack, *I* don't have time for it.  Has
> anyone heard of anyone else talk about this project (either software or 
> vaporware)?  I'd like to meet the demented heroic fool!

I'm not sure how well it works, but there's a store in I believe Wellesley,
MA that has an Apple ][e emulation running on a 386sx. I vaguely remember
that they were having trouble with the disk drives because of the copy-
protection schemes used by many ][e programs.

If anyone lives near there I'd appreciate them going there and checking it out;
if it isn't running just ask the manager. (I think its mostly an Amiga oriented
store; it's next to Joe's Pizza or something like that.)



--
Daniel Max P. Drucker   Amateur radio: N2SXX   xyzzy%mertwig@uunet.uu.net
From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: using /bin/ed (Was Re: Famous flame wars, examples please?)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 10:52:21 MST
Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada
X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.97

davei@wam.umd.edu (The One True Dave) writes:

> Well, if you look at it that way, ed has all the features you NEED in an
> editor. (As a matter of fact, I still use ed. (Stop laughing!)

of course, anyone trying to admin a Unix system who knows emacs or vi and
not ed may not enjoy the day they boot and can only mount a minimal file
system that doesn't include /usr/bin.
-- 
Russell Schulz  russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca  ersys!rschulz  Shad 86c
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu (Matt Healy)
Subject: Re: Our friend, R. Morris.  was: Re: Famous flame wars, examples please?
Followup-To: alt.folklore.computers
Organization: Yale University--Genetics
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:04:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.073542.10127@tc.cornell.edu>, mdw@db.TC.Cornell.EDU
(Matt Welsh) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Dec11.143045.19044@dmp.csiro.au> lachlan@dmp.csiro.au (Lachlan Cranswick) writes:
> >Does anyone have an article on the history of internet worm?
> 
> There's an EXCELLENT article out there on the Internet worm. And yes, it's 
> by Gene Spafford (who else?). Here's the specs:
>   "The Internet Worm: An Analysis" 
>   Purdue Technical Report CSD-TR-823
>   Eugene H. Spafford
>   spaf@cs.purdue.edu
> 
> Sure enough, there it is on cs.purdue.edu, /pub/reports/TR823.PS. 
> Looks like some other stuff is there in /pub/spaf/security.
> The files there look very cool; see the README there.
> 
> mdw

There is also a report in the Internet RFC series:
1135  Reynolds, J.K.  Helminthiasis of the Internet.  1989 December; 33 p. 
      (Format: TXT=77033 bytes)

[RFCs are available from lots of ftp sites]

Matt Healy
"I pretend to be a network administrator; the lab
 net pretends to work!"

matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu
From: daniel@mertwig.uucp (Daniel Drucker)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: PI
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 16:15:42 EST
Reply-To: daniel%mertwig@uunet.uu.net  (Daniel Drucker)
Organization: Abnormalities of Reality

A while back people were asking for the 50000 digits of pi; if anyone is 
still looking for it, please mail me with a subject of "send pi".

If I get more than 15 requests in the first day, I will post it.


--
Daniel Drucker        N2SXX       Coconut seashells whispering to me
daniel%mertwig@uunet.uu.net         "Forever, forever, my Coda..."
From: daniel@mertwig.uucp (Daniel Drucker)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: PI mailings; systems that rejected it
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 17:39:40 EST
Reply-To: daniel%mertwig@uunet.uu.net  (Daniel Drucker)
Organization: Abnormalities of Reality


The following people's mail systems rejected my mailing of the first
50000 digits of pi. Please be patient, I'll slicing it up into small,
edible pieces for you. Expect your pie within a few days.

  
         etlanar @ deep-thought.ericsson.se   | (Alan Arthur)  
          aevans @ jupiter.nmt.edu            | (Alex Evans)
            sjm1 @ crux2.cit.cornell.edu      | (Iceland Boy!)
          MBADBH @ rohvm1.rohmhaas.com        | (David B. Horvath, CDP)
Jonathan.A.Young @ williams.edu               | (Jonathan Young)

Thank you.

Requests so far: 103

--
Daniel Drucker        N2SXX       Coconut seashells whispering to me
daniel%mertwig@uunet.uu.net         "Forever, forever, my Coda..."
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.config
From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
Subject: The puppy is dead - alt.folklore.computers will not change
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 12:29:51 GMT



For details, watch for a posting with RESULT and comp.society.folklore
in the Subject line, coming soon to these newsgroups.

Followups directed to alt.config.

-- 
Mark Brader, SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com
	"The conversation never became heated, which would have been difficult
	 in any argument where there is a built-in cooling-down period between
	 any remark and its answer."		-- Hal Clement, STAR LIGHT

This article is in the public domain.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: PDP-11: A Physical Threat :)
From: don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes)
Date: 19 Dec 92 04:09:47 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Wolery

root@lucifer.9thfloor.beadwrld (sysadmin) writes:
> I too have a PDP-11 as a Physical Threat story to relate...  once day while
> removing one of the backplane units from my 11/34a I managed to make a
> painful mistake.  After removing the 6 screws that held it in and finding
> the backplane still stuck in there after all the years it had been held in
> place, i (quite ignorantly) proceeded to work on removing those damnable
> Mate-N-Lok power connectors.  It required quite a bit of force to get it to
> come out AND... this force was enough to get the backplane to come out.. 
> falling on my chest from a 3rd level rack mounted CPU. (I was lying on the
> floor at the time)  I had about a thousand little bloody holes in my chest
> from those wire wrap pins... ouch, ouch, ouch...

<sigh>  That's why the BA11-K box that the 11/34A usually came in was 
equipped with rails that let you flip the box up vertically.  If you do 
that, you can see what you're doing, don't have to wreck your back 
doiing it and aren't at risk from falling parts (short of dropping the
lead brick^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hpower supply on your foot, that is....).

--
Don Stokes, ZL2TNM (DS555)                        don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (home)
Network Manager, Computing Services Centre            don@vuw.ac.nz (work)
Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand              +64-4-495-5052
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: What is so greate about the PDP 10?
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 22:32:20 GMT

In article <BzJ8s9.n0C@NeoSoft.com> peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.111917.27380@news.columbia.edu> lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>> Successful companies make *many* products, and divisions don't backstab each
>> other.
>
>You mean, like the way IBM kept crippling their PCs to maintain an artificial
>market for the Series 3?

Please elaborate; As far as I know, there are quite a few PS/2 models clearly
superior to system 3 (aka AS-400, 38, 36, 34, 32 and Mikey).

cj "Itty Bitty Machines" l
From: d40937@aiken (Jean Yves Desbiens)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Wizards : criteria for selection
Date: 12 Dec 92 15:19:08 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

After all the gang bang Dannie boy as gone trough because he 
had the gall of calling ones self a network wizard I am wondering
what makes a wizard, and a network wizard in particular.

Maybe this has been put to the net before, so if it has, please tell
me. Anyway let me venture one criteria :

1. A wizard never claims to be one, complete humility in their
infinite wisdom is a prerequisite no matter how stupid the others
may be , unless these mortals :
	a) repeatedly post in the wrong newsgroup;
	b) don't listen to their suggestion to get a clue;
	c) flame them ( this is very bad, bannishment from a 
			newsgroup on the first offense, and they
			better change their name, expulsion 
			on the second faux pas );
	d) give their support to another wizard which is at
	   odds with the first one. He will be destroyed by
	   both. Imagine a newbie trying to referee a battle of
           intellectual titans, what was he thinking of.
	e) boast of their wizardry ( this is even worse than 
			flaming a wizard, all hell will break
			loose and the twit will be burnt to
			a crisp by an army of flaming
			wizards and net.deamon. They won't
			be bannished but they will be reminded
			every day of how a little they really
			know. BTW : some wizards could come
			together and reroute all of Mr. Druckers
			posts through every congested 56 kb/s link
 			left on earth. Wow ! that would
			be some path and we wouldn't see any
			more of his posts. Any takers ?)
	g) claim to be a network oldtimer and not having
	   been there before the Great Renaming (Tm).

There are many other ways to enflame a wizard, and criterias for 
being one, I am waiting for suggestions.

--
SEIZE THE DAY, MAKE YOUR LIFE EXTRAORDINARY .  "Dead Poets Society"

Jean-Yves Desbiens                  | d40937@info.polymtl.ca
Etudiant en genie informatique      | 
Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal Can | To indeed be a god ...,
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From: pechever@sal-sun24.usc.edu (The Heckler)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology,alt.folklore.urban,alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
Subject: Re: Proper pronunciation of 'Kibo' IN BED
Date: 14 Dec 1992 17:10:49 -0800
Organization: Kibo-on-a-Stick
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun24.usc.edu
Keywords: Kibo-nature, slack

In article <#6h22rc@rpi.edu> kasprj@rpi.edu writes:
>In article <Bz16F0.HMD@world.std.com>, kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:

]|] And I *am* a bunch of grapes!
] 
]Kibo-Man! Kibo-Man! 
]Does whatever a Kibo can!
]Rot-13's, greps the Net,
]There's no type he can't set.
]Hey there, there goes the Kibo-Man.
] 
]Can he boze? Quite a lot!
]He's got more slack than Spot.
]Does he post? Yes sirree:
]All about Kibology.
]Look out, here comes the Kibo-Man. 
] 
]All across the Net, with no fear of a flame,
]He's a kibological threat; if you dare, type his name! 
] 
]Kibo-Man, Kibo-Man,
]Postbozotical Kibo-Man!
]To him, Usenet is one big tirade,
]Wherever there's a cascade,
]You'll find the Kibo-Man!

I know the correct tune to sing this to.
Does this mean I have the Kibo-nature?

			the heckler (Is "Cthibo" taken?)
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth "the Lesser")
Subject: Re: "FOO" and Re: 8008 related to PDP-11? (was: What is so greate ...)
Organization: Generic American College Kids (G.A.C.K.)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:02:19 GMT
Reply-To: slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth "the Lesser")
X-Posted-From: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

wex@cs.ulowell.edu writes:
>
>Of course the PDP-11 Assembler is based on the  Non-DEC Assembler
>for the PDP-1...  (The PDP-1 was a single address machine and thus didn't
>have the source-dest  vs. dest-source  problem.)  However, many of the 
>syntax/punctuation conventions that we associate with DEC were not theirs
>at all.  Colon for tags, semi for comments, etc.  (They didn't even write
>DDT.)

As anyone knows who used PAL-8, PAL-III, MACRO-8, etc. on the PDP-8.  (Comma
for tags, slash for comments, the letter `I' for indirection, etc.)

Seth L. Blumberg          \ Warning: This posting has been determined to cause
slb22@columbia.edu (play)   \ cancer in laboratory animals.  Please make sure
sethb@ctr.columbia.edu (work) \ that no white mice are allowed to read it.  
    > No one I know shares my opinions, least of all Columbia University. <
From: slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth "the Lesser")
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: "FOO" and Re: 8008 related to PDP-11? (was: What is so greate ...)
Date: 18 Dec 92 23:04:20 GMT
Reply-To: slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth "the Lesser")
Organization: Generic American College Kids (G.A.C.K.)
X-Posted-From: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) writes:
>slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth "the Lesser") writes:
>
>[responding to a comment on the PDP-1 assembler as an origin for the 
> syntax of the assemblers for later PDP-xx systems] 
>
>>As anyone knows who used PAL-8, PAL-III, MACRO-8, etc. on the PDP-8.  (Comma
>>for tags, slash for comments, the letter `I' for indirection, etc.)
>
>[details of the PDP-1 assembler syntax, identical to the PDP-8 syntax
> (gee, I wonder why that is?) deleted]

What did MACRO use for literals? Or did it have any such concept?

(Note--I was born 20 years too late to have been a PDP-8 hacker.  I'm just a
Charles J. Lasner wanna-be.)

Seth L. Blumberg          \ Warning: This posting has been determined to cause
slb22@columbia.edu (play)   \ cancer in laboratory animals.  Please make sure
sethb@ctr.columbia.edu (work) \ that no white mice are allowed to read it.  
    > No one I know shares my opinions, least of all Columbia University. <
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: What is so greate about the PDP 10?
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:37:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.052955.6136@netsys.com> bugs@netsys.com (Mark Hittinger) writes:
> peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
> >In article <1992Dec16.034118.20850@netsys.com> bugs@netsys.com (Mark Hittinger) writes:
> >> Oh well - I'll just ask him when he thinks he can port WNT to the 11! 

> >Why in the world would you want to port WNT to *anything*? Bad enough that
> >it exists in the first place.

> Oh come on - hahahaha - VMS is too expensive, I'm *still* fixing corrupted
> unix file systems, WNT is inevitable.

You think you won't be fixing corrupted file systems on WNT?

Dream on.

If you want something like WNT, why aren't you using OS/2?
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   Oletko halannut suttasi tnn?
  'U`    
Tarjoilija, tm ateria el viel.
From: sunday@cup.portal.com (Sunday and Associates)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Requesting Usenet witticisms & signature boxes
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 13:46:22 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

	We are collecting or attempting to collect the witty one liners
and aphorisms that the unix speaking people of the net seem to like. It is
unclear if a commercial project will result. It might. While I can't tell,
this category would seem appropriate to post in as we are trying to find,
in effect, the folklore of this and related cultures. We also are looking
at signature boxes and clever graphics.
	So far we have encountered a few avid collectors and those are
the relationships that are preferable for us. So if you have been
collecting and want to share some of your collection  or talk about it
let us know.
	As to type of material: Better if the one liners have a technology
base, flavor, flair but are understandable to a non computer person.
Signature boxes...anything. Graphics...just clever and fun.
	Please don't email us huge collections without contacting first
via email. Feel free to call.
	Our business, historically, has been search and contract programming
in northern calif. We were voted "best recruiter" on usenet in '91. That
basically means we don't get people upset. I worked in the music business
as an A&R man for 13 years before the recruitment stuff.
	
	Michael Sunday		Sunday & Associates, Inc.
	(800)456-1344		sunday@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.sys.pdp8
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: The NOVA and the PDP-11  (Was Re: WANTED: PDP-10 or 11)
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:31:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.190931.18700@iecc.cambridge.ma.us>, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine) writes:
> Actually, there was a sensible reason that DEC used small cards.  The
> PDP-6 (the machine that the PDP-10 was almost as good as) used great big
> cards with lots of pins per connector.  Unfortunately, the connectors
> didn't work very well.  A standard diagnostic technique when a PDP-6 was
> flaking was to open the back and hit all the modules with a rubber mallet.
> For that among other reasons the PDP-6 was a marketing failure and they
> only built 20 of them.
> 

Bzzzt. You are thinking of the CDC6x00 and Cybers. The prob with the 6's cards
was that they where SOLDERED in, some on BOTH sides...

~Paul

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen)
Subject: Re: Apple IIGS being discontinued Dec 1992
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:25:06 GMT

cheryl@gallant.apple.com (Cheryl Lins) writes:

>In article <9212151730.20@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>There seems to be two "rumors" floating around.
>>
>>1. PowerOpen, which will run on the PowerPC, will be a base OS consisting
>>   of a mixture of AIX and A/UX, with a MacOS emulation and Multifinder
>>   running on top.
>>
>>2. Taligent, which will run on the PowerPC, will be released without any
>>   application compatibility to any other OS.
>>
>>Why would Apple base an OS on a processor chip that they no longer support
>>in their product line?

>If i were writing a _new_ OS, i'd agree that that would be a Dumb Idea. But
>there happens to be millions of existing Macs out there with lots of software.
>Now, do you want to know a _really_ Dumb Idea? Produce a new personal
>computer running a brand new computer chip and a new OS and don't have any
>application software to run on it at introduction (let alone thousands of
>software titles). Apple engineers are not that dumb. Even Apple managers aren't
>that dumb. :-)

>Some of us do have a clue, even if the rest of the world hasn't figured that
>out yet.

I beg to differ.  That "new personal computer running a brand new computer
chip and new OS and no S/W" bit is _exactly_ what Apple did when they 
introduced the Mac in the first place when they already had a thriving
platform out there.  Based on my experiences with Apple, I could easily seem
doing the same thing again...  Just my $.03

Jeff Berntsen
jeffb@world.std.com
From: ivie@cc.usu.edu (CP/M lives!)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: 8008 related to PDP-11? (was: What is so greate ...)
Date: 17 Dec 92 10:15:45 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Dec16.202505.28364@news.uiowa.edu>, jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879) writes:
> 
> Furthermore, as someone who's programmed both Intel 8080 and PDP-11
> machines, I've noticed that, although the instruction sets are wildly
> different, the assembly language of the 8080 owes quite a bit to that
> of the PDP-11.  That is, conventions for comments, labels, and white
> space are DEC-ish.  Furthermore, when Zilog introduced their Z-80, they

If only they had managed to borrow the convention

	MOV source, destination

instead of their screwy

	MOV destination, source

I would get a lot less confused hopping between Intel and DEC processors.
-- 

Roger Ivie                      "My God! That computer is full of Pentium!
ivie@cc.usu.edu                  It's a wonder that you haven't been turned
                                 into mutants!"