HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sheehan@aludra.usc.edu (Joseph Sheehan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Request for thoughts on player values
Date: 11 Dec 1992 21:02:17 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Keywords: Lankford, trade, hmmmmm

In article <ByzAw0.5sp@world.std.com> jle@world.std.com (Joe M Leonard) writes:
>Two questions - has anybody heard a peep about Harold Reynolds, formerly
>of Seattle?  He's not that old - somebody's got to want him?  Is there
>a chance of him landing somewhere?

	That depends if he's outside the Earth's gravitational pull:
if he is, he may never land. :-)

	Seriously, he seems like one of the second-tier guys who's
going to end up going to Florida or Arizona hat-in-hand looking to hook
on as a <$1M "make-good" deal with incentives. Gee, maybe the Yanks? 
We could use a middle infielder.

>I've been approached regarding trading Ray Lankford - I'm in a Strato league,
>so his this-year performance awaits me for next year :-)  Do folks think
>he's a 1-year flash, or did we see "real" performance this year?
	
	Depends entirely on what you can get for him. Personally, I'm
not that high on him, and if I could get, say, a player to fill my team's
greatest weakness, a good pitcher and a high draft pick, I'd go for it.

>Finally, what's Kenny Lofton worth - and is he somebody I should look for
>if I trade Lankford?

	Lint. He just had his best season. Look at the platoon splits.
Exactly the kind of player you want someone else to take so maybe Eldred,
Cordero, Osborne or Hernandez gets to you.

>
>Joe Leonard
>jle@world.std.com

						Best,
							Joe Sheehan
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From: arrow@netcom.com (Les Arrow)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Anti-Trust and Baseball
Date: 12 Dec 92 11:32:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Dec12.113250.10418
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Dec11.211808.29262@data-io.com> dietz@parody.Data-IO.COM (Kent Dietz) writes:
>In the last year or so, I have been seeing/hearing/reading a lot of 
>threats thrown at Major League Baseball, mostly having to do with 
>the Anti-Trust exemption.  When the Nintendo group made the offer for
>the Mariners, the local politicians did a great deal of chest thumping
>about sueing MLB if the offer was not accepted.  Whether that did any
>good is probably a moot point.  However, I have been wondering what 
>benefit does MLB garner from having the "anti-trust exemption"?  I 
>think that Fay-boy Vincent stated in front of Congress (yesterday?) 
>that he felt the exemption was not of any value anymore.  
>
>Does anyone have ideas on what would be different if MLB lost this 
>exemption?  The NFL and NBA do not have this exemption.  Does this 
>mean they operate at a disadvantage to MLB? 
>
>Tampa Bay officials said they would challenge the exemption in court.  Will
>this get them a team?  Even if they win?  
>
>My suspicion is that the exemption is really a red herring to confuse 
>the issue of how MLB franchises should be treated.  I have a feeling
>that if the exemption was removed, nothing Earth shattering would happen.
>Opinions?
>
>Kent Dietz
>Twins in '93

I don't know much about anti-trust legislation. I did see on C-SPAN the
other night, Bud Selig being interviewed by a Congressional Comittee. They
were challenging the exemption in the wake of the firing of the commissioner.

I tried to stay with it, but I couldn't get much out of it. It went sort
of like this:

"Mr. Selig, how can you justify the anti-trust exemption when no other
sport has it and you just fired the man who was looking out for the bext
interest of baseball."

"Well, I agree baseball needs a strong commissioner to keep the integrity
of the game. We have a committee redefining the roles of the office right
now"

"But Mr. Selig, the need of a commissioner has been demonstrated by the
lack of speed on which you moved on the Marge Schott fiasco"

"Yes, I agree, we need a stong commissioner"

Chairman : "Senator Jones, it is your turn"

"Thank you chairman. Mr. Selig, don't you think baseball needs a strong 
commissioner?"

"Blah blah blah blah"

"Blah Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah"

I was asleep by then.

--Les
From: kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Rundown of offseason transactions SO FAR
Date: 12 Dec 92 20:05:00 GMT
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In article <1gaa1qINNmjr@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, mgriffin@matt.ksu.ksu.edu 
(Mark Griffin)    writes...
>37. Danny Jackson signed by Phillies

Actually, he was traded to the Phillies after the Florida Marlins in the final 
round in the expansion draft for minor league pitchers Joel Adamson and Matt 
Whisenant.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Expos Fanatic"
From: sgs@stein.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Pie Traynor (was Re: Greatest Players by team)
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:13:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec11.221318.2258
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Buoyed by the confidence I gained from guessing one of Dr. Dave's Mystery
Players once before, I'll guess that Pie Traynor II is...

Buddy Bell.

--Steve
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 Seattle, WA 98195                * 
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:50:13 -0500 
From: Amit Likhyani <al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Sauer the Spoiler( Was Re: Stove news, Tues. morning.)

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.baseball: 10-Dec-92 Sauer the Spoiler(
Was Re: .. by Pravin D. Ratnam@andrew. 
> It's appearing now in the the local papers and is true.  Simmons, who
at first
>  
> seemed unaware of his latest blunder is, is now trying to justify not having
> offered abritration to Bonds by saying that he was afraid Bonds would accept
> it (yeah right) and the Pirates would have been locked into a contract they
> couldn't afford (as if they couldn't trade him)
> ******************

According to my information, you can't trade him until June 15 since you
agreed to take him to binding arbitration.  Still, a boneheaded move,
but it looks like they will get their draft picks which is really all I
care about.
From: ccastmm@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Marler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Brave staff greatest in recent history?
Date: 15 Dec 92 05:42:28 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <1gauabINN7pc@menudo.uh.edu> chee1l5@Jane.UH.EDU writes:

>Avery's ERA crept up into the three's?  Let's shoot the bastard.

Steve had a nasty habit of giving lots of 0-2 hits last year.  Drove me crazy.
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From: nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim)
Subject: Re: Trivia Question
Organization: Fordham University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:24:00 GMT
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In article <BzB8Mw.27x@mach1.wlu.ca>, 
lars4752@mach1.wlu.ca (Bradley Larsen u) writes...
>Name the eight ways by which a batter can reach first base.
> 

There are at least twelve ways:  

single
double 
triple
home run
walk
hit by pitch
error
fielder's choice
wild pitch on swinging 3rd strike 
passed ball on swinging 3rd strike 
catcher's interference
double play (e.g. 1-2-5 DP with bases loaded, 0 out; batter is on first base,
             another runner on second base with 2 outs.)

and a thirteenth if you are willing to count it:  

triple play (e.g. 1-2-5-4 triple play with bases loaded, 0 out--batter 
                  reaches first base and is left on first base, inning over.)

Any more?
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From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
Subject: Re: joe carter and others
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:31:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.220202.8219@sni.ca> dave@snitor.sni.ca (Dave Till) writes:
>In article <14DEC199211283410@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason Abner Miller) writes:
>>	One addition to this:  Often, the "ability" to walk is based on
>>a player's own philosophy, i.e. patience at the plate.
>
>I've asked this question before, but I wonder:  how much of a player's BB
>total is based on his patience, lack of selfishness, etc., and how much
>is just innate skill?
>
>To put it another way:  do people here really believe that Joe Carter
>and Andre Dawson could walk 75 times a year if they were less "selfish"?
>Can we list the moral worth of major league hitters by printing out the
>BB totals in order?
>
>As a Jays fan, I feel compelled to defend Carter in this way:  considering
>that Carter is, by all other measures, a team player (he switches positions
>when asked, bunts, plays hard every day, and seems a cheerful sort),
>I find it difficult to believe that Carter's low OBP is a consequence of
>Joe's wanting to grab all the RBIs for himself.

well said. and one more thing: have you considered that, given that we
all think GM's are chowderheads and that professional baseball people
undervalue OBP, Gillick or Gaston might have said to him "we don't pay you to
walk. we pay you to hit home runs."

wouldn't make them right for saying so, but it wouldn't be very surprising,
would it?

--
charles
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From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: Statheads and park effects
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 03:02:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.211628.15007@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> akamholz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Andrew E Kamholz) writes[posting cited in its entirety]:
>Look, you fuck, I said MAYBE. Reread what I wrote and look at what you
>wrote and decide if my tone of writing deserved the kind of response you
>gave.
>

Andrew, have you read new.announce.newusers yet?  If you're going to
lash out like this, at least have the courtesy to tell the rest of 
us which of the 100,000+ readers of this newsgroup you're flaming.  

Besides, if you feel you were misquoted, why not include your text
and the text that misconstrued your words for all of us to see?
That way we'll know what you're talking about.  

Thanks!
Roger

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From: drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker)
Subject: Re: Who are these new Pirates ?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:19:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.143314.3708@cs.tulane.edu> eebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu writes:
>In article <BzByJ3.Du4@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v085f2wd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Theodore J Kury) writes...
>> 
>>Since the Pirates seem to be missing a cleanup hitter, these players all
>>hit 4th in this many games for the Bisons:
>> 
>>Brian Dorsett        104
>
>	What's the deal with Dorsett?  He had a pretty good looking season
>for the Bisons but I've never heard any mention of him as a possible player
>(at catcher or first). If I remember correctly he was a first round pick
>a couple of years ago.  Why is he not being promoted (or am I just missing
>it by living so far south).
>
>Dave
>__________
>Dave Bonar
>eebonar@lsuvax.sncc.lsu.edu
>__________
>


The main reason you haven't heard much about him, and the reason why I
didn't include him in my analysis of the Pirates, is that he will be
32 this April. His numbers do look good, though, and offensively at
least he is better than a lot of catchers in the league. Anyone at
Buffalo or Columbus know anything about his defense?

Clay D.
From: peirick_j@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: RE: A new slant on Barry Bonds' uniform number
Date: 14 DEC 92 21:03:51 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
NNTP-Posting-Host: msnews.wustl.edu

In reply to my observation that:
>>I think that it is simply a practical matter that Barry Bonds cannot wear a
>>retired number.  Picture this:  Barry Bonds wears number 24.  He then goes
>>on to be a simply outstanding player for something like 15 years in SF.  He
>>breaks club records, he breaks league records, he looks like a shoo-in for
>>the Hall of Fame.  If this should happen, the Giants are placed in the un-
>>comfortable position of having to retire a number _twice_.  This is quite
>>unseemly, in my opinion.  By having Barry Bonds wear an unretired number the
>>Giants are leaving open the possibility that they may someday retire _his_
>>number.

Sherri Nichols points out that
>The Yankees have already handled this: they retired the same number for
>both Bill Dickey and Yogi Berra.  No problem.

I was aware of this when I posted my original, and  think that my point stands. 
Just because something akin to this has happened before, doesn't mean that it is
no problem.  It believe that it is still awkward, and I think that if the 
situation can be  avoided, it should be avoided.  Furthermore, the Yankees 
retired #8 in 1972, honoring both Dickey and Berra simultaneously.  This, of 
course, is quite  different from the topic currently under discussion.

Jerome Peirick
jmp@shoe.wustl.edu
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:10:45 -0500 
From: Ken_Ziolkowski@transarc.com
Subject: Pirates self destruction


  You don't think that ``Biff'' Sauer and ``Spliff''
Simmons aren't set on destroying the Pirates???

  Maybe this will convince you.

  It was announced this morning that the Bucs have
signed:

       ``John Candelaria''

  Yes, the one and only ``Candy Man''!

  One time Pirate and most recently a LA Dodger.

  Just what we need; a 39 year old relief pitcher.

  Who will they sign next?

  Jim Acker?

  If they're really into signing over the hill stiffs,
I hear that Jason Thompson and George Hendricks are
available.

  And Dale Berra could be available for the right price.

  The Biff and Spliff show continues.

  5th place here we come.

KZ


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From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Subject: Re: NUMBER 24
Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:32:26 GMT

In article <Bz0IDo.Bp6@cup.hp.com> loos@cup.hp.com (Joe Loos) writes:
>CCDB@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CCDB) writes:
>>    BOBBY YOUR A JERK JUST TO ASK  !!!
>
>Did you see Barry's emotional acceptance of number 24 on tv?

Did you see Barry's non-emotial acceptance of number 25 on tv?

>Apparently Barry & Willie are real close -- I suspect Willie and Barry
>had discussed this a while back.  Willie is Barry's godfather ala his
>playing days with Bobby.

And Bobby wore #25, which is what Barry will be wearing.


Ya know... these post look funny after the fact!!  :-) :-)
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From: genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Holding action in RF for O's
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:02:09 GMT
Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering

Thus spake drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker):

>So this is a team with conservative projections of .260 at C, .255 1b,
>.215 2b, .250 ss, .265 3b, .250 lf, .250 cf, .250 rf, .250 dh. An
>extremely balanced lineup that averages a .250 eqa; that is over 800
>runs. That is one excellent lineup. 

...until you realize that Johnny Oates is making out the lineup card, 
along the following lines:

	LF	Anderson
	2B	Reynolds (for his "bat control")
	SS	Ripken	 (because of Who He Is)
	CF	Devereaux
	1B	G. Davis
	DH	Milligan ("He just needs to swing away a bit more...")
	RF	C. Martinez
	3B	Gomez
	C	Hoiles	 ("I don't care *how* well he hits, he's a *catcher*")

-- 
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 dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu | Out of the manager's throat, the sound fundamentals,
 Prof. of Story Problems | Out of the six-month season..."            
 Member ORSA, TIMS, SABR | 	Walt "Lefty" Whitman
From: ccastmm@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Marler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Brave staff greatest in recent history?
Date: 17 Dec 92 04:22:22 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <1645@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson) writes:

|>I hope to god I'm being paranoid here, but each of these guys has
|>pitched a lot of innings in the last few years without major
|>injury.  Glavine, in particular, has seemed off his game at the end
|>of the season each of the last two years.  If I were that Brave's
|>trainer, I'd keep an especially close eye on the pitching staff.

Glavine pitched most of August and the start of September with a cracked
(broken) rib.  No one was told until Glavine sat out for approx a week
and a half.  He never really came back from it.  Avery and Smoltz took
up the slack at the end of 1991.  These guys are still young and I don't
see them getting the Tom "La-za-na" treatment, yet.  Anything can happen
and until the start of this year I was more worried about their heads
than any other parts of their bodies.

If I were an opposing batter, I would keep a close eye on the
pitching staff:-).

PS now you got me paranoid about cars, snowmobiles, and other things. :-)
-- 
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From: marwood@csri.toronto.edu (Simon J. Marwood)
Subject: Re: Braves Sign Maddux, LOSE 93 SERIES!!!!!!!!
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 15 Dec 92 03:19:21 GMT

In article <92349.185718MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu> mark rieker <MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>         Well, after I got done jumping for joy over hearing how the Braves
>   signed Maddux, I realized we are DOOMED! DOOOOOOMMMED!!
>
>         Scherholz you idiot! Don't you realize the Braves now have Bielecki,
>   Berryhill and Maddux! 3 Ex-Cubs!! It's the Ex-Cub Factor!
>
>  Aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!
>

Well, don't worry. Bielecki was signed by Cleveland today to a minor league
contract, so it's back down to two.

Not that it'll matter of course... the 1993 NL East champion Montreal Expos
regularly beat up on the Braves. Starting with the Mayor's Cup each spring,
and then heading on through the season.... Tom who?? :)

Simon

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From: hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Two out of three gone (Ripkens that is)
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:50:00 GMT
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
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In article <1gb3o8INNi3q@uwm.edu>, paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes...
>Just heard that Baltimore signed Harold Reynolds and released Billy "I live
>off the family name" Ripken. Rejoice O's fans.
> 
>--salty

	Although I'm not known for it, I'm going to go into shouting-at-the-top-
of-my-lungs-all-out-absolute-ecstasy.  Please hit 'n' if you are offended--I
don't mean any harm. 
	YEEHA! YESSSSSS! HURRAY!  YIPPEE!!  HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY!!!!
[Ahem, excuse me.]
	While Reynolds isn't great, his worst year (last year, .248/.331/.319--
Yecch.) beats the hell out of Billy's last year (.236/.318/.280) and his 
speed and switch-hitting ability should be an asset to the team.  Hopefully,
Reynolds will rebound to his more respectable pre-1992 stats.  Defensively,
Reynolds is still very solid.  
	But, again, the most important thing is --HE'S NOT BILLY!!!!!
	Unfortunately, I feel that this may be a "shut up the fans" move-
intended to keep the fans believing that the organization is doing something
to improve the team.  Reynolds will be an improvement over Bill, but only
because Bill was so damn awful.  The O's still are mumbling about going into
next season with The Adventures of Chito Martinez and his sidekick Luis
Mercedes, who could combine to form the worst defensive platoon in the history
of the game... (did Reimer and Incaviglia ever play together??? :-)).  
Remember Roland, Reynolds is a good start, but repeat after me--Ruben Sierra--
Ruben Sierra--Ruben Sierra.  Good.

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	100 Better Ideas than Playing Bill Ripken (an ongoing saga)
      [In the spirit of Bob and Doug MacKenzie's '12 days of Christmas,
              we'll skip from reason 66 to reason 1... :-)]
	   1.  Sign Harold Reynolds.  Throw Billy to the Wolves, er, Marlins.
[Geez.  What am I going to do with my .sig now???]
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From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Re: My picks, AL/NL East
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 20:50:31 GMT

gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes:

>7) St. Louis - Wow, I can't find much to say about them. Lankford is OK - 
>Gilkey is vastly over-rated, but at least they got rid of Galarraga.  If 
>they bring up Allan Watson and Dmitri Young, they could move out of the 
>cellar, but I don't see that happening.

I can't quite figure this out.  Didn't they finish THIRD last year?  Who
have they lost that would be cause to drop them from third to last?
Worrell has been injured for so long, and the Cards didn't have much
intention of signing him anyway.  Carpenter was no big impact player.
Galarraga was a liability, to be sure, and I'm glad he's gone.  I'd rather
have George Bush at 1st base.

Meanwhile we have Ozzie Smith, who runs like the Energizer bunny, Lee Smith
can still save a game or two, Lankford is on the rise, Zeile is coming
around, Felix Jose hits for average and power, Pena is also on the way up.
Tewksbury was a Cy Young runner-up.  Osbourne was a very pleasant surprise
and Cormier has come back from the dead.  And you can't find much to say
about them?  I'm not saying they'll win the division, but they certainly
don't warrant the write-off you've given them.

In all honesty, I would have to swap Florida and St. Louis in your
predictions.
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