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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:56:47 -0500
From:         "J.K. Kreymer - NLU Psychological Testing Center"
              <PSKREYMER@MERLIN.NLU.EDU>
Subject:      problems with Vnews 141
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Hello all.

OK, I may end up sounding like an idiot after this message goes across,
yet I must post it because I am having trouble getting VNEWS to log
onto a server.


Here's the scoop, and I hope someone has an answer.

1) When customing SITE_SPECIFIC.DEF, the logical name INTERNET_HOST_NAME
(I assume) is being automatically set by my home machine's Multinet
software.  At least when VNEWS runs, it knows what my Internet address
is and lists it.
For safety sake, I put the following line in the LOGIN.COM file:

	DEFINE NNTP_HOST_NAME "MERLIN.NLU.EDU"
					^-- this being my home address
Question:  This is what I would put here, right, and not the location
           of the news server I wish to access????

2) I received the VNEWS software from ARIZONA.EDU's FTP site.  I have
read the .DOCS several times and have configured it to my host machine's
specs. - at least I think I have.  (I don't do much programming on the
Vax, so I am a greenhorn with some of this stuff!)

   I am assuming the ARIZONA news server is still running, as it is
still defined in the SITE_SPECIFIC.DEF file.

   However, everytime I start VNEWS, it attempts to connect to this server
and then logs off saying that there was an error connecting to this server
because it has a STATUS = 0.

Question:  Is this server running, and what does the STATUS = 0 mean other
           than the fact that there is nothing new on the server if it
           is running?

3) In regards to the file XX.NEWSRC, I know this is created when I join
a newsgroup.  But, since I am not a member of any groups, I don't have
this file - no file of any kind.  Will this cause an error?  Just curious.

4) Is there any way to locate a working server so I can finally get access
to the USEnet newsgroups?

5) Is there anything else I should know?

6) Again, just guessing, since the VNEWS software starts and attempts to
connect to the defined server in SITE_SPECIFIC.DEF, does this mean that
I have things set up right and I just need a working server address for
everything to be ok?

Sorry to take up so much e-mail space, but I have these questions really
dragging at me, and I can't log on to any server because I don't know
if it is me that is screwed up or if I just don't have a current server
address.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance, and please respond with E-mail so as to not tie up
the public area.

John K Kreymer
Graduate Student - Clinical Psychology
Northeast Louisiana University
pskreymer @ merlin.nlu.edu
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From:         "J.K. Kreymer - NLU Psychological Testing Center"
              <PSKREYMER@MERLIN.NLU.EDU>
Subject:      one more question
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Whoops.  Forgot a question.

When using the "Quick Start" for getting VNEWS running, after compiling
and linking one is supposed to use the ASSIGN command.

Syntax:    ASSIGN "your DNS name"  nntp_host_name

Ok,  is this DNS name my home address or the remote server name?

     So, what does that make the NNTP_HOST_NAME become?

Thanks again

John K Kreymer - Graduate Student
Clinical Psychology
Northeast Louisiana University
pskreymer @ merlin.nlu.edu
From: MORRIS@PATRICK-PIMS.AF.MIL (Jay Morris)
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Date: 20 Aug 92 04:14:00 GMT
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We just got VNEWS, think we have it running but need to get a feed for it
(before it gets too hungry and eats the sys manager).  How do we go about
doing things and does anyone have any suggested sites?  If it makes a
difference, we are located at Patrick AFB, east coast of FL (Cocoa Beach,
Melbourne area).  Please reply direct, I'm not reading this list (yet).

morris@patrick-pims.af.mil
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 06:09:02 -0700
From:         John Howells <howells@PIONEER.ARC.NASA.GOV>
Subject:      Re: one more question
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              <PSKREYMER@MERLIN.NLU.EDU> "one more question" (Aug 21, 12:00am)

On Aug 21, 12:00am, "J.K. Kreymer - NLU Psychological Testing Center" wrote:
>
> Whoops.  Forgot a question.
>
> When using the "Quick Start" for getting VNEWS running, after compiling
> and linking one is supposed to use the ASSIGN command.
>
> Syntax:    ASSIGN "your DNS name"  nntp_host_name
>
> Ok,  is this DNS name my home address or the remote server name?
>

This should be your home address.

--
                                        John Howells
                                        howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov
                                        howells@earth.arc.nasa.gov

 When I talked to him on the phone yetserday. I called him George rather than
 Mr. Vice President. But, in public, it's Mr. Vice President, because that is
 who he is.
       -- Vice President Dan Quayle shortly after being named
         Geo. Bush's running mate (8/28/88 the NY Times).
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From: s12334@doc.flc.colorado.edu (aBi)
Subject: Re: VNews feed <> and sources
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Reply-To: S12334@doc.flc.colorado.edu
Organization: Fort Lewis College
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:04:00 GMT

In article <VNEWS-L%92081923163725@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>, MORRIS@PATRICK-PIMS.AF.MIL (Jay Morris) writes...
>We just got VNEWS, think we have it running but need to get a feed for it
>(before it gets too hungry and eats the sys manager).  How do we go about
>doing things and does anyone have any suggested sites?  If it makes a
>difference, we are located at Patrick AFB, east coast of FL (Cocoa Beach,
>Melbourne area).  Please reply direct, I'm not reading this list (yet).
> 
>morris@patrick-pims.af.mil


I have been looking for VNEWS, exe or sources.  I wonder if someone could
post a site where I might find these files in addition to a feed for it.

John Cairns
s12334@doc.flc.colorado.edu

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From: b_hart@odin.dev.macsch.com (Bill Hart)
Subject: Re: VNews feed <> and sources
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
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Organization: MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation (MSC), Los Angeles, California
Date: 20 Aug 1992 07:57 -0700

In article <20AUG199201045028@doc.flc.colorado.edu>, S12334@doc.flc.colorado.edu writes...
>In article <VNEWS-L%92081923163725@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>, MORRIS@PATRICK-PIMS.AF.MIL (Jay Morris) writes...
>>We just got VNEWS, think we have it running but need to get a feed for it
>>(before it gets too hungry and eats the sys manager).  How do we go about
>>doing things and does anyone have any suggested sites?  If it makes a
>>difference, we are located at Patrick AFB, east coast of FL (Cocoa Beach,
>>Melbourne area).  Please reply direct, I'm not reading this list (yet).
>> 
>>morris@patrick-pims.af.mil
> 
> 
>I have been looking for VNEWS, exe or sources.  I wonder if someone could
>post a site where I might find these files in addition to a feed for it.
> 
>John Cairns
>s12334@doc.flc.colorado.edu
> 
from the 141README.TXT (version 1.41) file at arizona.edu 
---------
   VNEWS 1.41 is available from finer ftp sites everywhere.

   To get VNEWS 1.41:

	ftp arizona.edu
	user anonymous
	cd [.software.vms.vnews]
    	get readme.txt				! this file

   VNEWS is stored in subdirectories:

	Source code : [.141src]    : ~ 800 blocks
	Documentation : [.docs]    : ~ 100 blocks
	Extra utilities : [.utils] : ~  10 blocks
	
	.OBJ files : [.obj]        : ~ 400 blocks
	Relevant RFCs : [.rfc]     : ~ 950 blocks
  	Newuser info : [.newuser]  : ~ 920 blocks

 	Updates to convert 1.40 to 1.41 : [.141upd] : ~350 blocks

   Of these six, you only need the first two.  The rest are optional
   and nice to have.

   You will need a FORTRAN compiler, and possibly a Macro compiler,
   and even a C compiler (if you run CMU).
---------

Hope this helps

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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:26:01 -0400
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From:         Elena DeFelice <defelice@A1.RELAY.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      PAP

Jeff Bone says:

>Maybe.  You could have any one of the common conditions causing it that I
>mentioned, or one of many others.  If the problem duplicates itself on
>the same job every time, or even consistantly intermittenly then suspect
>the printer driver and/or job complexity causing your Macintosh to hiccup
>while printing.  Try the Apple driver if you're printing through PM and
>experiment with printing fewer pages etc. to determine if it might be a
>corrupt driver.  Of course, if every job causes PAP errors suspect
>cabling or connectors.

>If you got the error only once last week, forget it and reprint; it was a
>very common transmission error that the Mac/printer didn't recover from.

You were right, Jeff. Haven't had it happen since that "infamous" day.
Keeping my fingers crossed our computers don't get *perennial* hiccups. :-)
My guess is that it was the screen saver.


Elena

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From:         Elena DeFelice <defelice@A1.RELAY.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      SCSI Hard Drive to Printer

Hi, Everyone,

This isn't PM related (well, maybe, sort of) but thought you experts out
there might be able to steer me onto the right path...

Does anyone out there have a hard drive connected to their printer
(specifically Mac IINT) for *permanently* downloading fonts?  I'm tired of
downloading to RAM that disappears when I shut the printer off, so the gods
of budget land approved $800 for a hard drive. Can anyone tell me about a
good one out there with tons of memory for the buck? Space is limited and
we may get a new printer sometime next year. I'm checking the Mac
magazines, but wasn't sure if there is a specific type of drive I should be
looking at. Also, do you need special software to tell the printer to look
at the SCSI hard drive for printer fonts or does it look there automatically?


Thanks in advance,

Elena

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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:12:55 EDT
Reply-To:     Rob '476-1442' Beeler <RSRAB@SUVM.BITNET>
From:         Rob '476-1442' Beeler <RSRAB@SUVM.BITNET>

please unsubscribe me. thank you.
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 09:50:12 PDT
Reply-To:     "Jeffrey L. Needleman" <JNeedleman@MCIMAIL.COM>
From:         "Jeffrey L. Needleman" <JNeedleman@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      re: How can I speed up printing? (Mac)
X-To:         PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU

Ellen Lorang asks:

>How fast does a page come out of the printer with SLS compared to without?
>Will I notice any degradation in performance while SLS churns away?

Obviously how fast a page is produced depends on your printer, your Mac,
and the complexity of the page. Complicated postscript effects can take a
huge time for a printer to process. The point is that control of your Mac
is returned to you quickly; SLS just feeds the disk file it writes to the
printer as needed. If you use the Aldus driver with or without a spooler
other than SLS your Mac and PageMaker will basically lock up until the page
is ready to be printed, since no true spooling is going on. (I'm assuming
you're using a typical postscript printer that does its own processing, not
a gadget like a LaserMaster or a StyleWriter which relies on the Mac for
processing.)

I haven't done any timing tests. On my system (a IIci with 20MB of RAM
running Sys 7.0.1 with Tuner 1.1.1 and using a LaserWriter Plus) SLS is
virtually invisible as it works in the background; I don't notice any
degradation in performance of the Mac. Sending data to the printer when
needed is not a very CPU-intensive task (in my setup at least) because the
PRINTER does the processing; I think we tend to forget that the printers we
use often are more powerful computers than the computers we use them with!
(I bought my LaserWriter Plus to use with the original Fat Mac 512K--the
printer had more memory than the Mac and the same processor, so was a
better computer. It cost more too.) I think the spooling routines of SLS
are much better than those used by Print Monitor; even using the Apple
driver and printing Word 5.0 documents, SLS seems much faster than Print
Monitor. I had ample opportunity to use Print Monitor since a System
7-compatible SLS took almost a year to be produced; when SLS 3.0 was
released I trashed Print Monitor for good.

Jeff Needleman  <JNeedleman@MCIMail.com>
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Reply-To:     Amaury Bentes <PUR01001@UFRJ.BITNET>
From:         Amaury Bentes <PUR01001@UFRJ.BITNET>
Subject:      Fonts for PM at cica

Chan and Tania.

       Yes, there are some interesting fonts at the ftp.cica.indiana
server, but be aware of some limitations:


       1- Most them don't have the extended character set what
          prevents you of using some important symbols and
          accents used in european languages. Considering that
          even english writing people must use foreing languages
          words every now and then, this is kind of frustrating

       2- Most of them are rather display fonts or what is said
          to be "ornamental" or "phantasy" fonts, which are very
          interesting but not very usefull for intensive text
          documents.

       3- Recently there have been suspects that copyrighted fonts
          were uploaded. The system guys there have temporaly locked
          the access to the atm directory. Anyway its "father"
          directory  named "fonts" is still active and you will be
          able to find a couple of good fonts there.


 If you find another internet server providing ftp access to atm
 fonts, please. Let me know.


          ======================

            AMAURY  BENTES

            RIO DE JANEIRO

          ======================
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:20:29 PST
Reply-To:     "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
From:         "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject: Re: Fonts at CICA
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Michael Rigoli,
I think it was unfair to assume that people at your ftp sight were blatantly
violating the copyright laws through the storage of fonts. Sometimes those who
perform a public service, like you, have a hard time pleasing people. Especially
when the come to expect "certain things."

This note is an expression of support to your efforts. Thanks a lot.

Monte Olsen
OSU
Ag Communications
Corvallis, OR
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From:         TRUTH -- Geof Peters -- <TRUTH@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: PageMaker stuff
X-To:         PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU

> Geof,
>   Thanks for all the PageMaker stuff. Although I've been using the program
> on a Mac for about 5 years, I've been completely "self-taught" and now I've
> been designated as the instructor for our in-house non-credit short courses.
> It is always helpful to  see how others have approached the teaching of
> PageMaker, and what tips to pass on. Thanks again and I hope you're feeling
> better!

No problem Toni -- we all love the share of information, it is likely
that most of us on the list are self taught as well. This list is
quite friendly and has a collection of characters from
knowledgable, but unpredictable Jeff Bone to the consoling, wise-
cracking Monte to the Quarky, feminine Cindy to the fatherly Jonathon
Fletcher. We love all the characters we can get on this list :)

Please do not hesitate to post if you have a problem or frustration
or quip! Geof.
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From:         Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Who's Who on the LIST
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Monte writes in response to what Geof (who doesn't spell his name right)
writes...

> >knowledgable, but unpredictable Jeff Bone to the consoling, wise-
> >cracking Monte to the Quarky, feminine Cindy to the fatherly Jonathon
> >Fletcher.
>
> Of course, Geoff, in his small missive, forgot to say, "to the cow-stained
 boots
> of the highly intellectual Buffalo Bob Geoff there in Wy-oh-ming."

I'm not certain I agree with all Geoff's adjectives but what can you
expect from someone who lives in a square state? :)  Seriously, it would
be nice to have a directory of LISTers sometime.  Maybe include the
person's telephone number as well as internet address and perhaps a
_brief_ description of what they do.  Any thoughts Cindy (I realize this
would take some time, that you don't have, but perhaps you could set up a
temporary address that we could all send an email form to)?



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From:         Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Printer Access Protocol (Have to be more careful with Acronyms)
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Elena-

Glad I could help.  Thanks for not critiquing my spelling or grammar in that
response.  Gee whiz, I re-read that thing and wondered if I were even making
sense.

BTW, speaking of proof-reading, has anyone gotten the direct mail piece from
Dynamic Graphics, Inc. lately?  They're hocking their "Electronic Print Media
Service on CD-ROM" with the copy on the front of the mailer that reads:

 "NEW! Electronic PMS now on CD-ROM!  Just in time for the Holiday Season."

Anyone else have some good-humored examples of poor proof-reading?



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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:29:41 EDT
Reply-To:     Rosemary=Hallberg%NetAd%HSRD@HSRD.SOWO.UNC.EDU
From:         Rosemary=Hallberg%NetAd%HSRD@HSRD.SOWO.UNC.EDU
Subject:      re: Rotation of Graphics

Jim,

    No.  You cannot rotate graphics in PM.  I even tried by highlighting as
text and could not do it.  If you want, you might try using the text tool to
highlight the graphic and see if you get the Rotate option.

Rosemary Hallberg
Human Services Lab
UNC Chapel Hill
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Reply-To:     krweiss@UCDAVIS.EDU
From:         Ken Weiss <krweiss@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Subject:      Minor addition to scrapbook tip
X-To:         PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU

Geoff Peters' [excellent!] summary of PM tips included:

>3.   Scroll through the file list in your System Folder until you find the
>     Scrapbook File
>
>4.   Double click on the Scrapbook File

A minor addendum... Users of older versions of PM may not be able to see
the scrapbook after they upgrade to System 7 on the Mac. That's because
system 7 gave the scrapbook its own creator code (scbk) instead of the
general system creator code (ZSYS). If you can't see the scrapbook in the
Place dialog and you are running system 7, use a tool like ResEdit or
DeskZap to change the creator code for the scrapbook file to ZSYS. The
scrapbook will still work at the System level, will now work with
PageMaker, but MAY NOT work with other utilities and programs that expect
the scbk code. PM 4.2 and beyond require no such adjustments.

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Ken Weiss                   krweiss@ucdavis.edu
Information Technology      916/752-5554
U.C. Davis
Davis, CA 95616             916/752-9154 (fax)
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