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From: jeranki@leland.Stanford.EDU (jayanth eranki)
Subject: NOTICE of Public Meeting in SF,CA to protest destruction of Mosque. Calling all secular indians
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 01:47:36 GMT




	The following notice is regarding an upcoming event to gather all
 secular-minded Indians who are upset and outraged at the recent 
destruction of the Babri Masjid and the consequent communal violence 
and would like to do something about it. 

	Please do pass this along to anybody who might be interested.
<begin notice>
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			The "Coalition Against Communalism"
				Invites you to a 

			P U B L I C    M E E T I N G

		IN DEFENSE OF DEMOCRACY AND SECULARISM IN INDIA 

*	To promote communal harmony and secular values
*	To protest destruction of Babri Masjid
*	To condemn communal violence

Featuring: Speeches by well-known Bay Area personalities,  patriotic 
songs, poetry recital, ...

Place :	Gadar Memorial Hall*, 
			  5 Wood St., San Francisco

Time :	January 3, 1993.   2:00 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.

For information contact:
Ved Vatuk 					 (510) 547-3219
Abbas Mirza	/Ashok Bardhan			 (510) 649-9767
Vijay Kundaji					 (408) 296-2871
Maharaj Kaul					 (510) 490-2849
Jayanth Eranki					 (415) 474-7311




* The Gadar Memorial Hall commemorates the Gadar Party, which played a 
major role in India's freedom struggle.  It is a symbol of India's unity,
integrity and secular values.


DIRECTIONS:

From the South, take 101North towards the Golden Gate Bridge.
Take the Fell St. Exit, Go on Fell until Masonic Ave. 
Take a right onto Masonic Ave. 
Take a left onto Geary Blvd., and turn right onto Wood St. 

Public Transit: 
From BART, exit at Montgomery St. station.
Bus #38 from East Bay Terminal via Market St.

Parking assistance will be available.




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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: prasanth@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ravi K. Prasanth)
Subject: Re: Sati's history
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 21:29:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.223435.1141@ryn.mro4.dec.com>, verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma) writes:
> 
> 	resistence to it would have been noted. Pandu and Kunti (only
> 	Hindus around her in the forest where the incident occured) did try 
> 	to stop Madhuri not to commit sati. It was her own interpretation 
> 	that Pandu was dying because of her own mistake and therefore it 
> 	was logical for her to commit sati. She is the one convinced
> 	Pandu and Kunti for commiting sati. This was purely a personal 
> 	argument,

Where have you read that Madri convinced PANDU (and Kunti) ?
Do you really know how Pandu died ?

RKP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: abdutta@icaen.uiowa.edu (Abhijit Dutta)
Subject: Re: 3 BJP ruled state govts. dismissed
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:27:35 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

|     NEW DELHI, India (UPI) -- Prime Minister P.V. Narasimha Rao dismissed
|three state governments led by the opposition Bharatiya Janata Party and
|imposed direct federal rule on the areas late Tuesday in the wake of a
|week of riots that killed 1,200 people.


    Mr. Narsima Rao is making sure that Congress party will be wiped out
    of the Hindi belt for good!  Reminds me of the electoral fate of Mrs.
    Indira Gandhi after the emergency rule in India.
    I like that...
    And I hope that with the demise of Congress from the heartland
    of India, the Nehru-Gandhi dynasty will be gone for ever.
    I hold this family for bearing the main responsibility for
    whatever is wrong with India.

    -jit

disclaimer: opinions are mine only.
    

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:41157 soc.culture.indian.telugu:1438
From: siva@hotsand.cnet.att.com (54627 - S Pandyaram(HOQ615)1133)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: ...... Hyderabadi muslims ........
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:00:52 GMT
Organization: AT&T
Originator: news@cbnewsb.cb.att.com


|> >
|> >My personal experience is identical.  having lived in many parts of india,
|> >I venture to state this : the hyderabadi muslims are the most
|>                              
|> >agressive and the most unpatriotic muslims in the subcontinent (going by
|>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Guru - 
  I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement.   I lived in Hyderabad
  for more than 10 years ( am a Hindu ) and know a lot of muslims who
  are patriotic!

  I believe that a religion has nothing to do with patriotism.  There are
  fanatics and rowdys in both religions!  Neither religion preaches hatred,
  and neither preaches intolerance. 

  Do not generalize your personal experiences to the entire religion/
  community.

Siva
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: s5ugxk@almserv.uucp (Girish Kumtheker)
Subject: Details needed about India Alert Group
Organization: Fannie Mae
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:11:48 GMT



Hi,


Would someone post some details about this group India Alert,
which has taken upon itself to represent views purporting to be
of all Indians. Details such as who heads this group, how large
is the group, does it really represent Indian students at MIT 
etc etc would be appreciated.

How come we never heard from this group on the other issues
India faces ? Are they just psedu-seculars ??


Girish

s5ugxk@fnma.com


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E mail address : girish@fnma.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: seeta@eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju UdayaBhaskar Sarma)
Subject: .....  From INDIA Today : 15;Dec .......
Reply-To: seeta@eng.wayne.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Wayne State University, Detroit Michigan, USA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:50:21 GMT


			Part - 2/2
		Article TItle : Battle of Wits
the authors are : inderjit badhwar (another fast rising columnist for IT)
			ands zafar agha.


Here's the control-L for the non-political people ...


6.   Rao was not sitting idle during the 4 month reprieve from the VHP.  His 1st task
was to bring the muslims to the table.  In some 50 preliminary meetings Rao hammered
home the point that if the muslims adopted a confrontationist posture, that would
play right into the hands of the VHP & BJP....  The muslim leaders needed to be
convinced that Rao would not let them DOWN EVEN IF THE TALKS FAIL LATER....
To build a better rapport, Rao the linguist, turned on the charm with chaste urdu
laced with persian...    ((((Hmmmm!!!   chaste urdu laced with persian...  Is this
what Muslim identity is about ?????)))

7.   <<<a lot about the chaos in the BJP and VHP, as the politics played by PVNR was
	so fire-fighter-like that their rhetoric was boomeranging>>>...  Because
	of Rao's cautious approach in reigning in the muslims as well as mulayam
singh yadav type of `incendiary rhetoric', the hindu `heat' that BJP expected to
exploit to its advantage in the build-up to a ker-seva was virtually non-existent.
	One of the reasons that the kar sewa of LAST july had been hastily called
off by the BJP was because the previous zeal and enthuisiasm of the kar sewaks
was missing.  The failure of the VHP's much-touted   paaduka poojan   and the BJP-
sponsored bharat bandh were clear signals of this.

8.    BJP imsiders, all agree that, they had not counted on Rao being so un-charac-
teristically tough.   ((ofcourse he would: this is for the country he fought the british
against))).   They had figured the pro/anti-mandal and disarray in the UP party unit
would keep him in check...  But he took them compeltely by surprise...

9.    ....  advani and joshi will now join the kar sewa ....  the success of the BJP
will depend on the emotioinal fervor it can whip up among hindus, and its own
credibilty among the kar sewaks is low, because of its turn-on-turn-off excercise in
political brinkmanship...

10.   ... ayodhya has burnt everybody so far, who have touched it.  Rao may have emerged
relatively unscathed because he has been playing the game with precision calibration
and a sense of history...  ((Ofcourse :: he is the chaaNakya from andhra pradesh)))

End



Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)


Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:41495 soc.culture.pakistan:18541 soc.culture.bangladesh:6900
From: baskar@cs.concordia.ca (Sundararajan Baskar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Let's Use Some Hindsight
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:06:03 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec

In article <1992Dec10.200229.4197@beaver.cs.washington.edu> hasan@cs.washington.edu (Shams Hasan) writes:
>
>But it was not spread by force, though it must be true, that monetary consideration would play a part in gaining favor with the ruling Muslim rulers.
>
>Best Regards,
>Shams Hasan

This is just an information to U.
__________________________________________________________________________
In 711 AD the Arab Commander Imad-ud-din reported to the superior at Basra of
Successes in the Sind province :

  The nephew of Raja Dashir,his wariors and principle officers have been
executed, and the infidel rank and file either converted to Islam or destroyed.
Idol temple have been razed to the ground and mosques have been erected in
their placesd. Friday-prayer is read,and the call to prayer is raise so
that devotions are performed at stated hours. Praise to almighty Allah
is offered every morning and evening.

_______________________________________________________________________

Reference :Gandhi Vs Jinnah The debate Over the partition Of India.

by : ALLEN HAYES MERRIAM

Page No :5

This is meant only to give u a piece of information and nothing else. Don't
bother to send reply

With LUV
S.Baskar
From: akash@crescent.berkeley.edu (Akash R. Deshpande)
Subject: Re: Do we need a religion?
Reply-To: akash@crescent.berkeley.edu (Akash R. Deshpande)
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:10:25 GMT

In article <1h0cl1INN10c@aludra.usc.edu>, fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay
Fafat) writes:

|> 	You're naive to think Science would make that sort of a statement
|> 	without a proof. But as I had told you before, I am not about
|> 	to repeat what I've been hammering repeatedly. Check Sci.physics.

OK, I am content to leave the scientist alone with a proof by dangling
reference, and a residual inconsistency regarding "Nature Herself".
But hammering aint no proof, O purveyor of rationality.

-Akash
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: Quotation for my thesis - any suggestions?
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:45:20 GMT

>In article <1g6iraINNkc9@kochab.anu.edu.au> dsharma@cs.anu.edu.au (Dharmendra Sharma) writes:
>>I would like to put a quotation at the beginning of my doctoral thesis
>>in artificial intelligence (computer science) and shall be grateful to
>>receive any suggestions. Please email me. Many thanks in advance.
>>DSharma

If you look at Immanuel Kant's "Critique of Pure Reason", particularly
the opening paragraphs, you may find something pertinent to cognition
and some insights into why human's are superior (which he calls
a priori cognition).

Satya Prabhakar

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Subject: Re: Fake Degrees From TamilNadu
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:42:31 GMT

In article <BzD0qH.Aq2@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan K.) writes:
>In article <BzBx4A.AHM@cs.psu.edu> narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu
> (Kuram T Narayana) writes:
>>Next time you hire an RA/TA/postdoc or admit a student to a graduate program
>>from TamilNadu, take care to see whether the degrees are for real or
>>fake.
>>
>>Just to inform our inquiring sci readers!
>>...kt
>>>
>>>The fake degrees are US degrees, as I understand from your posting.
>>>Are n't the fake degree open to all Indians who are willing to pay the
>>>bribe? Should n't US degrees be better scrutinized to assure it is genuine?
>>>
>>>I am surprised, to what lengths some can go to to defame all Tamils.
>>>
>>>KS
>>>
>>
>>If you can control your terminal itch, the note above mentioned
>>of US degrees issued in Tamilnadu. Just try to read the article
>>before commenting further. It pays to think!
>>
>>Because the article specifically stated about the TamilNadu industry,
>>I put it out! You want me to cover up. 
>>
>>...kt
>
>Um! covering up a secret published in 'India Today'? Kind of hard, Isn't it?
>
>I did not think the 'US degrees included a fine print to say they
>were issued in Tamil Nadu'. That is why I thought 'ALL US degrees'
>held by all, including Telugus and Mizoris should be scrutinized
>carefully, not just held by Tamilians.  My fault. Probably, the US degree
>is in Tamil. In that case, you are right. You should only scrutinize
>the Tamil MSs, PhD etc.. just as you stated.
>
>Happy New Year
>
>KS
>

I think you missed the point still. The article says that in TN there
is a burgeoning industry (the title of the article "degrees of deceit")
which manufactures degrees, and thesis etc. under fake US university names
and then issues it for the buyers; the clientile it was stated in the 
article to be the Tamils; particularly polititions, musicians, amongst 
others. Such fake degrees are found useful within TN. The article mentions
this. That is the reason why I sounded an alert to check the degree
credentials of candidates; normally in US people tend to ignore that 
aspect.

...kt
.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Hindu kutey
Date: 13 Dec 1992 00:31:00 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: neuron.tamu.edu

In article <1992Dec12.183927.10062@ncsu.edu> rsingh@eos.ncsu.edu (Ranbir Singh) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.175617.3119@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, salimk@batpa7.bnr.ca
>(Salim Khan) writes:
> 
 >> > Dude how could you make such a statement. Killing of this children
 >> and 
 >> > women won't give them there old structure back. one fuckin old
 >> structure 
 >> > not worth killing all these people. Its time for pseudo seculures to
 >> think 
 >> > again. We all know how fanatic our neighbors are their is no reason
 >> for us 
 >> > to ignore their pathetic act.
 >> > 
 >> > Cheers
 >> > >sE-mail - gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu       |   /   All Std. Disclaimers
 >> apply.
 > 
 >> Please wash your mouth with soap. It's the insensitive language
 >> (person)
 >> like above which causes more harm, hurt feelings and
 >> misunderstandings.
 >> 
 >> Salim Khan      
 >
 >I agree.. Hey gagrawal dude either keep your mouth shut or understand
 >that there are more civilized netters than you!
 >;Ranbir

I believe you are referring to the lines "Dude how could you 
make such a statement....ignore their pathetic act".

Hey Ranbir...you haven't been following this thread properly. 
All that written above is NOT WRITTEN BY ME. What I wrote was 
deleted completely (but not my signature line) and you are 
confused as to who wrote what.

regards,
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: vdasigi@valhalla.wright.edu (Venu Dasigi)
Subject: Re: 3 BJP ruled state govts. dismissed
Reply-To: vdasigi@valhalla.wright.edu
Organization: Wright State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:04:07 GMT

From article <1glic5INN5de@menudo.uh.edu>, by mece1uh@Rosie.UH.EDU (Shashi Menon):
> 
> 
>      NEW DELHI, India (UPI) -- Prime Minister P.V. Narasimha Rao dismissed
> three state governments led by the opposition Bharatiya Janata Party and
> imposed direct federal rule on the areas late Tuesday in the wake of a
> week of riots that killed 1,200 people.
>      ..........

Hmm... There doesn't seem to be much justification for the dismissal of
BJP state governments. This seems to be an ill-motivated step,
especially considering that BJP appeared to be planning to implement
the ban on RSS, VHP, ISS, etc.

Is India in for more trouble? Stability is one of the most important
priorities, and seems to be in jeopardy once again.

--- Venu Dasigi
Dr. Venu Dasigi      vdasigi@cs.wright.edu    vdasigi@valhalla.wright.edu
Dept. of CS&Eng, Wright State U, 3640 Col. Glenn Highway, Dayton, OH 45435
From: fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Do we need a religion?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 22:26:27 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

Ruchir writes:
>>	And this ass's ass has'nt even been kicked as yet! This is getting
>>	interesting.
>>
>>	FFT

>Will the Worms and the FataFat Fourier Transforms keep their (yawn)
>personal sweet nothings to one-one emails please ?
>You will be doing mankind a great service.
>Thanks.
>Ruchir.

	No way :) Not after you made me go thru your own insufferable rantings
	You don't like it, fly kite.

	FFT




Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: balaji@milli.cs.umn.edu (Balaji Srinivasan)
Subject: Re: 3 BJP ruled state govts. dismissed
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:14:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.222735.9805@news.uiowa.edu> abdutta@icaen.uiowa.edu (Abhijit Dutta) writes:
>
>    Mr. Narsima Rao is making sure that Congress party will be wiped out
>    of the Hindi belt for good!  Reminds me of the electoral fate of Mrs.
>    Indira Gandhi after the emergency rule in India.
>    I like that...
>    And I hope that with the demise of Congress from the heartland
>    of India, the Nehru-Gandhi dynasty will be gone for ever.

     Would you kindly explain this statement of yours ? I wonder if the 
     Nehru family is in any way remotely linked to the present Congress 
     party. I suppose the Nehru-Gandhi dynasty has already gone for ever 
     from the party. 

>    I hold this family for bearing the main responsibility for
>    whatever is wrong with India.
>
     No single family is solely responsible for whatever is wrong with our
     country . It is we, the people who are responsible. Who elected them 
     repeatedly ? : the people. (now don't give me shit like 'they massively
     rigged all the elections ' etc. ). There has always been so much   
     infighting and ego-clashes among the opposition that they could never 
     manage to put up a solid opposition against the Congress. What has the 
     CPI(M) done in West Bengal where it has been for almost 15 yrs now ? 
     The power situation has been totally screwed up there. Was the Nehru 
     family responsible for that ? 

     This is not to say that IG/RG were saints. But I am against saying that 
     they were responsible for 'everything wrong ' that happened to India. 

>    -jit

     - S.Balaji 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rkumar@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Rahul Kumar)
Subject: Hindi WordPro
Keywords: ANY WORDPRO
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:28:52 GMT

	Good Answer Buddy!  I am looking for one too.  If anyone knows, I 
  would like to know (even for a Mac, or any Unix Box).

	Thanks in advance.


-- 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: cjdcosta@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER J DCOSTA)
Subject: SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI UNIVERSITY: Info please?
Originator: cjdcosta@zepplin.ece.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cjdcosta@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER J DCOSTA)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 05:57:13 GMT


Sorry to interrupt..

If anyone here knows someone an the U of Southern Mississippi at Hattiesburg
(preferably with an email address) I'd really appreciate a contact there. 
I have a cousin joining this place in Spring and I need the lowdown on
accomodation and other details. Please send email to cjdcosta@eos.ncsu.edu.

Thanks a million.. I now return u to your regularly scheduled broadcasts :-) 

-Chris
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: vijay@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Vijay Rangarajan)
Subject: Re: John Lennon
Originator: vijay@picard.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:37:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.135846.28338@cbfsb.cb.att.com> rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel) writes:
>
>
>What's with the recent frenzy of John Lennon quotes???

Probably triggered by Mark Chapman's interview on 20/20.

Vijay.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:40820 soc.culture.pakistan:18179 soc.culture.bangladesh:6736
From: kashyap@pepper.rutgers.edu (Vipul Kashyap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: BJP Governments dismissed ! What next ?
Keywords: Secularism, Democracy
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:56:37 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

The treatment of the Symptoms has begun ! Not only
that symptoms of other imagined illnesses are being
treated.

What are the illnesses : Secularism and of course Democracy !

The prognosis :

- Suspend 119 BJP MPs from parliament as they belong to RSS.
- Arrest them.
- De recognize the BJP.
- Ban the BJP, so it can now be called the Banned Janata Party.
- Hold elections in the 4 states and win by default.
- Even hold a mid term election and win by default.

Apparent Prime Minister : P V Narasimha Rao
Actual Prime Minister : Arjun Singh

- To the Indian Neros,

  Happy fiddling while India Burns !
  Happy Witch hunting !
 
- Long Live Secularism ! Long Live Democracy !

---A hindu fundamentalist