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From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Tactic vs. Strategy vs. Ethics vs. Legality vs. Fair Play vs....
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X-Xxdate: Tue, 15 Sep 92 21:39:31 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:45:59 GMT

In article <BuMy0q.712@acsu.buffalo.edu> When will Mergle EVER shut up?,
v051r9bf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
>
>Whether it's deception, strategy, subconscious, calculation, or ethical; I'll
>never know.  But in the sportsmanship and spirit of the game, I wish every-
>one would try the best they could.  It's utopian and about impossible, with
>drinking and other matters on bowler's minds.  But it would make for the
>utmost in fair play.

William,

I've seen this also.  What alot of leagues have done to prevent this is
two things...

1.  Make every bowler with a previously establish average (from the
previous season) use THAT as their starting average.  Sometimes for
up to three _weeks_.  That usually cuts down on the sandbaggers since
they have to bowl their average or risk losing the match.

2.  Secondly, if it is documented by the league secretary (which is pretty
easy to do, if records are kept).  The secretary can submit (or anyone in
the league for that matter) a letter of protest to the ABC along with
the league records as proof.  Go back as many years as possible to prove
the point.  It won't take a rocket scientist at ABC to figure out what's
going on (they've seen this a thousand times before).  They will (usually)
do one of two things- either send a letter of warning to the team that
their games/averages are being closely monitored by the ABC and are
they are subject to suspension, or suspend them outright.  I've seen
this happen and the ABC and rest of the league lost no sleep over it.

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
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From: tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us (Tony DeBari)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Hall of SHAME nomination?
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 22:45:34 EDT
Organization: Lost In Space

aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org> writes:

> Well, boys and girls...
>
> Last night was my first night for my Thursday night league..
> I hearby nominate myself for the Hall of SHAME..
>
> GAWD did I bowl bad! :-(
>
> 167..
> 190...
> 198..
>
> 555 set...

Bad?  Bad!?  BAD!!!???

I'd sell my mother into slavery for a set like that!

(Well, maybe not.  But when you only average in the 150's, a 550 set is
a major accomplishment. :-)

--
Tony DeBari          FQDN: tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us     CI$: 73117,452
                     UUCP: ...!uunet!ssc60!tonyd      *P*: GHRW14B

"First things first ... but not necessarily in that order" - The Doctor
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: c9a-az@po.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Subject: Re: Different Lanes, Different Lines...
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 02:08:11 GMT

In article <23254@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> locke@caesi.scg.hac.com (Anne Locke) writes:
>Howdy Bowlers!
>
>Last night was the 1st nite of my winter league and I kept my scores
>appropriately low ;-) on purpose of course!  Well kind of.  Anyway my 
>question is regarding the differences between the lines I had to play on
>the pair of lanes.
>
>I'm not sure of how the 5 dots on the approach translate into board numbers,
>so bear with me on this....

Hmmm...5 dots...Gable House?  The center, usually larger, dot is 20-board.
Each dot is 5 boards over from the next closest dot, so...

>Left lane was hooking substantially more than the right so I stood w/my
>left foot about 2 boards right of the leftmost dot (what the heck board
>is this????) and rolled the balled over the 10 board.  It worked if I
>hit anywhere from the 9-12 board.  (IF I hit the mark!)

...the leftmost dot is 2 away from the center dot -- this makes it
30-board.  So your left foot was on 32-board.

>Right lane - not hooking as much.  My left foot was 2 boards to the left
>of the center dot (what the heck board is THIS???) and I was shooting at
>the 7 board.  Anywhere from the 5 board to the 8 board seemed to work.

Same idea, except this time, your left foot is on 22-board.

>
>Is this what you have to do when the lanes are so different?  A lot of
>people try to tell me not to move around so much ... To "go back home"
>but usually the 5 board area is so dry that my ball hooks too much and
>I either leave a nasty split or go brooklyn.
>

5-board area is dry?  Lanes 21-22 at Gable House?  %^)

>BTW, WHY is it that you can sometimes hit the pocket in what looks like
>a very solid way & leave the 7-10???? It happened last night.  Is it
>angle at the pocket, ball speed, or what?

More often than not, if you leave a pocket 7-10, it's because the ball
enters the pocket at too severe an angle.  The ball catches the 3-pin
more flush, which in turn doesn't knock the 6-pin into the 10.  On the
other side, the headpin get knocked more horizontally left than on a
normal pocket hit.  This sends the 2-pin straighter back, which in
turn doesn't send the 4-pin into the 7.  (Lefties can look at this in
a mirror! :)  Or, you can think of it like putting together two
similar shots, one in the pocket that leaves the 10, and another in
the pocket that leaves the 7 -- splat! 7-10...

If in fact it is Gable House, you might try a slower speed if you're
experiencing sonic booms.  On the normal house condition there, the
guys who "float" the ball seem to have greater success than the speed
burners...


Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: quigley@acs.ucalgary.ca (Martyn Thomas Quigley)
Subject: Re: 9-No-Tap Tourney Was Fun
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 04:09:05 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <34930@cbmvax.commodore.com> bbaker@cbmvax.UUCP (Bob Baker) writes:
>
>Wound up bowling in a local 9-No-Tap tournament over the holiday weekend
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Er, what's that?

Martyn



Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: c9a-az@po.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Subject: Roll-out
Keywords: New season and bowling ball 
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 18:06:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep06.123423.458@bnr.ca> jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond) writes:
>	Well I stand corrected. Last week I said that I had a purple
>rhino, well when I decided it was time to practice (after a years lay off)
>I discovered a purple hammer in the ol' bag.
>	After this amazing discovery I then realized what I didn't like 
>about the ball. It dies at the back end, I mean flat out dies at the pocket.
>I used a Johnny Petraligia (sp) lt-48 for many years and loved it. Now they
>don't make the soft rubber any more (bummer). 
>	What would be a comparable urathene ball or is it just me that
>can't seem to get any crunch at the back end off my hammer.

Sounds like a case of "roll out" -- the ball isn't skidding enough
before it starts to hook.  Since roll-out is a direct result of too
much friction between the ball and lane surfaces, correcting that will
eliminate the problem.  You might try one or a combination of these
ideas: [1] throw the ball harder; [2] polish the ball so it will give
you more skid; [3] add positive side and/or finger weight to the 
existing balance, provided you aren't at the maximum limits now.  

Most of the new balls coming out today are of a "2-piece" design -- that
is, the ball is comprised of a combination core/weight block and a
shell.  The characteristic of a 2-piece ball is to torque up easily,
but not for very long.  So it hooks up earlier than a 3-piece ball,
i.e., your LT-48.  On a side note, if you had been using your LT for a
number of years, it probably has "loaded up" with oil, giving you the
extra skid that your Hammer didn't.  I think the LT-48 is/was one of
the best balls ever made to use on a flood!

Since you like the reaction of the LT-48, you might just want to look
into a 3-piece urethane like the Columbia Black U-Dot, the Brunswick
Rhinos (not Rhino Pro!), and others I can't think of at the moment.
Good luck!...
From: wperz@edc3jr.gpsh.pitt.edu (Walter G. Perz)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: lessons/PBC ( was $ $ $  a factor)
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:01:16 GMT
Organization: Smoking Research Group, University of Pittsburgh

In article <Bu0sFK.916@csi.compuserve.com> dfo@csi.compuserve.com (Duane Ott) writes:
>...
>I've attended the week-long PBC camp twice. The first time (8 years after
What is this?  When/where is it held?  What do they teach?

More info, if you please!  :-)
thanks

TTFN
Walter
From: bc@campbell.Gwinnett.COM (campbell)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Five-star history
Date: 6 Sep 92 15:02:05 GMT
Organization: loose


  I bowl with an AMF Dick Weber "five-star" that I got around 1969.

  I have been told that it is one of the hardest balls ever made but
  can't find any information on it.

  Does anyone know how it rates on the "hardness" scale (whatever
  it's called) and when those balls were discontinued.  I believe
  they stopped making them in the mid-1970's.

  Thanks.

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  Bob Campbell |                                                         |
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From: bbaker@cbmvax.commodore.com (Bob Baker)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: 9-No-Tap Tourney Was Fun
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:44:45 GMT
Reply-To: bbaker@cbmvax.UUCP (Bob Baker)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA


Wound up bowling in a local 9-No-Tap tournament over the holiday weekend
with one of our group actually cashing around 5th or 6th place. I bowled
258-258-229 to make it to the finals but would up getting nailed with a
number of splits in the single game finals. My friend bowled a 300 and 
two high 200's in qualifying followed by a 290 in the finals. One bowler
on our pair in the finals bowled a 297 and finished 3rd. They actually
were giving handicap and a lady bowled 270+ in the finals with 50+ pins
handicap.

Anyway, lots of fun and a BBQ Chicken buffet included for $20 entry fee.
The house has one of these tournaments about every 3 months. Top prize
was something like $350.

Winter leagues start tonight...
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: Sybervision video tapes
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:07:40 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

gregw@hspice.portal.com () writes:
> 
Good stuff deleted... nice series....

> So, a coincidence?  I have often wondered.  Has anyone else out 
> there experimented with Sybervision?  I have never seen them for 
> rent here in the States, and the ones I see advertised in the 
> back of airplane magazines don't have the bowling tape.

If I remeber right, sybervision was a Stanford University (CA) type
of experiment in cooperation with someone else.  Also if I am remembering
correctly they had an office in Newark, Ca (I used to live near it).
Of course my memory might be failing me...


BTW,

aki have you received any email from me?  I have sent you a couple and
have not gotten a reply....  not sure how your apple email address is 
working with my unix mailer....

Dave
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From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Hall of SHAME nomination?
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6D625D2F9012631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 11 Sep 92 15:30:42 GMT
Organization: World Bank
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:37:03 GMT


Well, boys and girls...

Last night was my first night for my Thursday night league..
I hearby nominate myself for the Hall of SHAME..

GAWD did I bowl bad! :-(

167..
190...
198..

555 set...

and to add insult to injury, a girl throwing a straight ball on the
other team shot a 699!...

Maybe the doctor was right, my arm was KILLING me, no lift, no
power, no nothing...just throw the ball, get my split (I had 11 in three
games), take one pin, sit down and order another beer.....besides there
was too much AIR in the room, it was raining outside, it was noisy,
the lanes were DRY, the pins were swelled, the decks were tilted,
the pins were offset....uh..did I forget anything? heh heh..and there's
35 MORE WEEKS to go!...(whine whine wimper wimper..)

I'm turning in my PBA card...;-) ...

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: an aki thought he had it bad...
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:57:22 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org (aki) writes:
> In article <1992Sep15.163229.20835@col.hp.com> Dave Fleck,
> fleck@col.hp.com writes:
> >
> >Moral of my story... don't listen to anybody unless you are practicing!
> >
> 
> Amen!  Cardinal rule...never (and I mean NEVER) use a league night
> to try out new releases/balls/techniques!  Bad Dave!  Baaaad
> Dave!  (now stand in the corner! :-) )...

I know I knowwwwwwwwwwww  :)
> 
> Now let me get  straight...you start your approach..you look down at the
> dots..you look up at the arrows...then you quickly look down at the
> dots again..then back up at the arrows...(obviously order is VERY
> important
> here..)  all while MAKING YOUR APPROACH at somewhere around 5 mph?
> You'd have to have eyes like MARTY FELDMAN =%-0  to accomplish that!  If
> you don't have them at the beginning at the game, you sure as heck would
> by the end of the night!  (..."gee doctor, I never had this eye problem
> until

He had me find a dot and arrow line... ie.. throw at the third dot and have
it go over the first arrow.  So I would concentrate on the dot and not
the arrow.  the idea had merit and it worked a time or two but.... he claims
that this will make me much more consistent... (course I bowled a 102 his way
and a 201 my way...)  my way is see an arrow and hit the arrow... align 
with foot placement on approach...  it works for me...

He also said that I needed some side and top weight in my ball... not being
an expert on such issues... what is the consensus?

Dave "who at least got to 100" 
> I started BOWLING..")   !!!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Aki
> The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
> E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
> (202)458-1112
> DoD 0628
> PBA 2294
> *************************************
> "How come the best bowling ball for
> me is always the one I don't own?"
> *************************************
From: dchristo@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk (David Christoffersen)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Good Ball for *Very* Dry Lanes?
Date: 15 Sep 92 08:17:57 GMT
Reply-To: dchristo@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom Labs

Speaking of Hammers, I`m contemplating acquiring a blue hammer - is it
a good all round ball? Can it be used on any lane condition? Or is
there another ball I should consider...?


Cheers for any advice....



Dave



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From: frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: 90/10s and catalogs
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:23:47 CDT
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility


	What are the heaviest 90/10s made?  
        
        How about a possible mail order catalog phone number.

Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
From: sh666@selway.umt.edu (Wolverine)
Subject: Re: Why?
Organization: University of Montana
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:53:02 GMT

Doug,

Take a look at this.....

Exit ALT.,	Frefall		120 mph		109 mph		98 mph
Opening
at 2500 ft.

10000		7500		46 secs.	51 secs.	55 secs.
10500		8000		49 secs. 	54 secs.	59 secs.
11000		8500		52 secs.	57 secs.	62 secs.
11500		9000		55 secs.	61 secs.	70 secs.
12000		9500		58 secs.	64 secs.	70 secs.
12500	       10000		60 secs.        67 secs.        73 secs.
13000          10500            63 secs.        70 secs.        76 secs.
13500          11000            66 secs.	73 secs.	80 secs.
etc...
(reprinted WITHOUT permission from USPA Skydivers Information manual)

The 120,109,98 mph is the terminal velocity.  98 mph terminal was used
back in the 70s, when people wore huge ballon suits and still had some
pretty heavy equipment.  The 109 terminal is supposedly for the 'modern'
jumper.  I will concede though... A 1:15 might be a little far fetched.
I'm usaully 'in the saddle' at around 2100 ft.

							W O L V E R I N E
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bungee
Subject: Re: Why?
From: mertes@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:32:10 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

Well hell I totally agree! I think that bungee jumping is a kind of bore now
that everyone thinks its cool to do it and everyone does it and every place
charges so much for it. Skydiving does cost a lot  more in the short run then
bungee jumping. Getting your license at a commercial drop zone can cost up to
$1000  if you are lucky a little cheaper, however, small operating DZ's charge
much less and you can get your license for sometimes about $200 if you are a
good student and learn fast. Bungee on the other hand $120 for one jump and you
cannot even buy your own equipment after. There is no goal to bungee, except
getting a lot of jumps, oh boy!!!! I mean these people make a mint off of
jumpers. I have also found that the bungee commmunity is grossly full of
egoistic jerks, who are into making the money and being COOL! The skydiving
community seems a lot more spirited and enjoys the experience of skydiving in a
more spiritual way, much like surfers do!!! :-) :-).  I like the skydiving
community and highly recommend anyone to invest in skydiving because it is a
lot more fun, and a better investment if you are serious about jumping a lot.
Plus the freefall and the canopy rides are the best, My 1st jump I had a canopy
ride with a full sunset in the west and a full moon rising in the East, both of
them were orange, pink, blue colors so amazing......:-)))))) I was a happy
jumper that day!!! I did invest in my own bungee equipment long before it
became a craze and found that investing in a harness for skydiving would have
been a lot smarter at the time. Now I have bungee cords and no incentive to
jump, because it is so damn dull. HOwever, jumping off of unique structures and
getting video of it would be cool. I guess that could be the challenge!!! Oh
well skydiving you can do flips, do relative work, ballet, skysurfing, BASE
jumping, Canopy relative work, all kinds of stuff, and each jump is about $15
after you have attained your license------>to 15,000 feet yeeee haaaaaa


Yahoo Skydiving
Precision Freefall
SKYDYVZ-california


Newsgroups: alt.sport.bungee
From: roy@engin.umich.edu (Roy William Feague)
Subject: Re: Why?
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:57:35 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

I know what you mean.  I have done both, and ya gotta wonder why so many
people bungee.  But there is an advantage.  When you jump out of a plane
from 13,500', the ground is a long way away, and doesn't look very real.
It isn't even that hard to get yourself to jump out of the plane from
that far up.  Now try standing on a platform suspended from a crane, 200'
up.  Your friends are down below, hollering "JUMP!", and you don't have the
time pressure to go, like in a plane where everyone needs to be out in
a matter of seconds.  You have lots of time to stand there and contemplate
the act of will it takes to voluntarily step off into space, when the 
ground is right there.  You can count freakin' blades of grass.  It's a
great will-power challenge, and something fun to try.  I certainly prefer
skydiving as a regular sport/hobby for a lot of reasons, but Bungee jumping
is one of those things all adventurous people should experience once in
their lives.
-Roy
.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bungee
Subject: Re: Why?
From: mertes@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:07:56 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

In article <65dR02nY21fl01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, drp40@cd.amdahl.com (Douglas R Puchalski) writes:
> In article <1992Sep9.203210.1@vax.sonoma.edu>, mertes@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>>Well hell I totally agree! I think that bungee jumping is a kind of bore now
>>that everyone thinks its cool to do it and everyone does it and every place
>>charges so much for it. Skydiving does cost a lot  more in the short run then
>>bungee jumping. Getting your license at a commercial drop zone can cost up to
>>$1000  if you are lucky a little cheaper, however, small operating DZ's charge
>>much less and you can get your license for sometimes about $200 if you are a
>>good student and learn fast.
> 
> Hmm.  $200?  I hightly doubt that.  It will always cost you a grand.
> 
> -- 
> Doug Puchalski						drp40@cd.amdahl.com


	maybe at a commercial drop zone, try going to the midwest and jumping.
I got my class instruction plus one jump for $80! Then each jump was only $15
after that. Hmmm lets see--8 jumps = $120 plus $80 for instruction that equals
about $200, but I needed more jumps 15 total, so I spent $225+80 = $305 well
now that is not under $200, but it sure was not $1000... So I guess it does not
have to cost you a grand! :-)

later