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From: smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Metric System (was: New banknotes)
Date: 21 Jul 1992 11:37:48 GMT
Organization: SunConnect
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Jul21.091805.25497@osf.org>, david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) writes:

	> Are but you just can't trust these foriegn chappies with British measurements.
	> 
	> I mean we have the German pfund (500 grammes) and then there's the time I was writing a print spooler.  Printer did 6 lines per inch and the paper measured 12 Zoll (German inches), however it didn't measure 12 inches but 30 cm !!!  I 'phoned up the paper 	> manufacture who said "ah Herr Georg, in Germany a Zoll is 25 mm !"
	> 
	> David.

Similar problems arise with caravan towing hitches. I remember seeing
the effects of hooking a caravan with a British 2" hitch onto a
new european car with a 50mm ball. The driver didn't realise how important
that 0.8mm was until the caravan overtook him going down a steep hill...

Steve
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: mossop@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Antony Mossop)
Subject: Re: music stores in London
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:10:15 GMT

In article <Bs2ACA.361@news.udel.edu> pere@chopin.udel.edu (Persephone Brooks) writes:
>
>	I'm going to be taking a vacation to London in a few weeks, and
>I'm very interested in buying some CDs while I'm there that I can't find
>in the US.  Can anyone give me suggestions for good music stores in
>London?  I'm specifically interested in alternative, industrial, and
>U2 that can't be found here.  Thanks for your help!
>	I'll also need addresses, if possible, since I don't know my way
>around yet.

YET! London is a middlingly large village, you'll tend to find that even 
the locals have copies of the essential A-Z stashed somewhere to help find
addresses etc..
>___________
>Pere Brooks
>University of Delaware
>pere@brahms.udel.edu 
>___________
>
From: behrend@igahpse.epfl.ch (behrend olivier)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Appartment in Edinburgh???
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:55:55 GMT
Reply-To: behrend@igahp1.epfl.ch (behrend olivier)
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

Hello there

I hope I am not misusing this newsgroup with this posting, it seemed the closest
to what I "need"...

I am going to start a Ph.D. in Physics at the University of Edinburgh in October
and am looking around for an appartment, preferably to be shared with one or
two other persons. Since it is quite difficult to look for an appartment from
abroad (Switzerland), I thought that I might try it by network.
If possible, the flat should be located between the city center and the King's
Buildings of the University, but actually location is not so important, as long
as it is nice... It would be great if the flat-mates would be studying something
else then Physics, or not studying at all (one "physicist" is enough...).
I will be coming up to Edinburgh in September, but any information I can get now
is greatly appreciated! So, if you know somebody looking for a flat-mate or
if you know of an appartment empty from October on for three years, please let 
me know! My e-mail-adress is "behrend@igahp1.epfl.ch".

THANKS A LOT
		Oliver
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:16:23 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <CC.92Jul28155243@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk>, cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:
> 
>    Cricket               England (includes all UK)
> 
> Scotland has a cricket team, no?  They're not yet allowed to play in
> international matches because they previously played against English
> counties, so the MCC thinks they're an English county too.  Or something.

Don't they play in the *minor* county championship, against the likes of Oxon,
Berks and Cornwall? They probably also play matches against the non-test
countries like Ireland, Holland and Canada. I also had a feeling that Scotland
toured the USA last year and won handsomely each time.

The reason they don't play tests is that they're not a test-playing country.
Logical, no?
-- 

Stephen Wilcox             |   Remember what happened to the dinosaurs!
wilcox@maths.oxford.ac.uk  |    I did---and look what happened to me.
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From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.war
Subject: Re: BBN II -- Murk-o-Vision World Update (Mau Mau)
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:40:03 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <NIGEL.92Jul28114609@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov>, by nigel@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov:
> As for how we would fight a guerilla war the correct answer is that we
> would not.

That's what I wanted to hear.
-- 
Markus Stumptner                                mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at
University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@relay.eu.net
Paniglg. 16, A-1040 Vienna, Austria             ...mcsun!vexpert!mst
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:10631 rec.games.empire:2316
From: ccoprmd@prism.gatech.EDU (Matthew DeLuca)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.games.empire
Subject: Re: BBN II -- Murk-o-Vision World Update (Mau Mau)
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:41:37 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.british
Organization: The Dorsai Grey Captains


Guys, this is rec.games.empire, not rec.british.empire; can we *please*
get this off of here?  If you *absolutely* have something to say on the
matter, either send it through mail or pull r.g.e out of the newsgroups
list.  Thank you.
-- 
Matthew DeLuca                      "I'd hire the Dorsai, if I knew their 
Georgia Institute of Technology      P.O. box."
Office of Information Technology                - Zebediah Carter, 
Internet: ccoprmd@prism.gatech.edu              _The Number of the Beast_
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: randyo@microsoft.com (Randy Orrison)
Subject: Re: MARMITE
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:55:18 GMT
Organization: Microsoft

In article <1992Jul14.212932.24378@mtu.edu>, lamott@mtu.edu (LAURENCE  MOTT) writes:
>    Does anyone know where I can buy MARMITE in the USA.

Yup.  At your local Safeway store in Redmond, Washington.  Well, it's
local for me...

    -randy

-- 
Randy C. Orrison    --    My code is Microsoft's, my opinions are my own.
randyo@microsoft.com	 			   uunet!microsoft!randyo

"I'm prepared for all emergencies but totally unprepared for everyday life."
From: rogerc@discovery.uk.sun.com (Roger Collier)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Elgin Avenue and Vauxhall bridge
Date: 30 Jul 1992 15:45:46 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: rogerc@discovery.uk.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: discovery.uk.sun.com


Mornington Crescent!
From: gledbet@heartland.bradley.edu (Gene Ledbetter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Eurocentrism [was Three-Syllable Words]
Date: 21 Jul 1992 14:37:30 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: gledbet@heartland.bradley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



In reply to my diatribe on "Eurocentrism", Wai Kit Chung 
(wkc5k@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU) remarks:

> I have no idea what motivated this fellow to write
> such piece of nonsense.

It was rubbish, wasn't it?

> I think only barbarians do not appreciate manners.

Welcome to California.

> People in most parts of Asia have manners.

Undeniably true.  I have lived in Asia, and I had two 
excellent Asian roommates in college.  Even here in 
California, Asian people are very decent.

Folks in the South of US are very polite.

Thank you.  They must be fairly civilized at the University 
of Virginia.  An old friend of mine, who taught the 
philosophy of science at U. Va., was denied tenure because 
he was "not a gentleman."  (Indeed, he was not.)

> What diversity?  Does it have anything to do with manners?

Lord no.  _Cultural_ diversity is great fun.  "Ethnic" 
diversity is mean politics.  Recently, my South American 
wife (as distinct from my other wives) telephoned the local 
police department to report a theft.  The police insisted 
that she give her age and race.  My wife was indignant and 
refused.  The police refused to take the complaint unless 
the information was provided.  Bizarre, non ? I wonder if 
they have ethnic quotas for victims of crime.

Today's California is a different place in a different time.  
Pray God it doesn't spread.

My apologies for bothering s.c.British with topics that are 
only suitable for s.c.Bedlam.  I was led astray by one of 
those damnable cross-postings.

--
And when all was peace and order   Much I wept because my warder
Save one planet nailed askew,      Would not let me set it true.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dsals@vms.macc.wisc.edu (David Sals)
Subject: U of Warwick and any other friendly British voices
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 21 JUL 92 13:48:32    

Hello,

I'm a student living in Madison, Wisconsin (USA), who will soon not 
be.  I realize that the U of Warwick just finished its school year, 
but if there is anyone out there who attends that school (or has in 
the past) I'd love to correspond with you before I leave.

Anyone else who has any constructive or humorous (by my standards, not 
yours) comments for a clueless American on his first excursion in 
England (or abroad at all, for that matter), hello to you as well.

Thank you for your time.  We now return to our regularly scheduled 
program in progress.
   							:-D ave

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: wallis@ils.nwu.edu (Mindy Wallis)
Subject: Library Studies in Britain
Keywords: Library, Education
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:46:12 GMT

My husband and I are planning to move to England in the relatively near future,
and I am interested in becoming a professional librarian or archivist.  Can
anyone tell me what kind of training is necessary and where it's offered?
Is an American MLS at all transferable?

Also, my husband has been working in Library Automation for a number of years,
does anyone know what the status is in England, and what opportunities are
available?

Please respond by e-mail to:

wallis@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu 

Thanks,

Mindy
From: ams@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Metric System (was: New banknotes)
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:00:01 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <5376@mccuts.uts.mcc.ac.uk>, zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane) writes:
> 
> And it took the introduction of the railways before there was a standardized
> time of day in the UK.  Previously local time was whatever the local
> Church/Town Hall/Clockmakers Shop clock said it was.  The railways
> introduced country wide timetables and insisted that all the station clocks
> displayed the same `railway' time.

The authorities at the cathedral here never saw why they should change, just to
suit those nasty smoky machines. They still run 5 minutes behind everybody
else.

What was that about Oxford and lost causes?

> -- 
> Geoff. Lane.                                  Janet: zzassgl@uk.ac.mcc.uts
> UTS Sys Admin, Manchester Computing Centre, Oxford Rd, Manchester, M13 9PL

Michael.
From: iang@timbuk3.EBay.Sun.COM (Ian Griffin - Sun Milpitas -  SalesDesk Support)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Manners (was Re: Pronounciaton of Three-Sy
Date: 23 Jul 1992 23:13:26 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: iang@timbuk3.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: timbuk3.ebay.sun.com

In article 13232@uwm.edu, bruce@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Bruce A Clark) writes:
> I have noticed the lack of politeness in the US as well, although it
> seems to vary regionally. In the places I've lived, I've found people
> in Silicon Valley (south San Francisco Bay) to be the most polite. I
> commented on this to my brother and his theory is that this is due to
> the diverse ethnic mix found there (probably the high number of
> professionals doesn't hurt).
>
> Just to throw out something for discussion to the Sociology majors:
> Does formality (manners, politeness) only go along with class
> conciousness? Considering that the Japanese and European (less
> recently) histories are rooted in feudal societies.
-----------------------------------------------------
A well known study by Prof. Norbert Elias ("The Civilising Process")
proves a strong correlation between the evolution of manners and
the increasing density and complexity of society.  An example
is the adoption of the fork in the Middle Ages as the preferred tool to be 
used at the dining table rather than the knife.  

Result was less bloodshed and death when arguments broke out over 
the stewed venison at the squires table in Merry Old.  

It's still considered "rude" to point your table knife
at someone.

Now, since Americans are well known to use the fork only when eating,
but the British insist on grabbing the knife *and* fork, perhaps
manners are *more* evolved Stateside -- or perhaps they needed
one hand free to grasp their six-shooter in the days of the Wild West!

Ian Griffin
Long-ago Sociology BA, Leicester University.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: pschauer@evans.den.mmc.com (Paul Schauer)
Subject: Re: VNS: Wed 29-Jul-1992 / Americanisation of UK
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:13:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.122713.27824@rdg.dec.com>, evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME) writes:
> 
> 
> <><><><><><><><>  T h e   V O G O N   N e w s   S e r v i c e  <><><><><><><><>
> 
> 	Soccer:
> ^^^^^^^^^
> |Italy-Poland 0-3, Sweden-Morocco 4-0, Denmark-Ghana 0-0
> |
  |
Is the above an example of this insidious Americanisation???
Paul :-)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:10506 soc.culture.australian:3623 soc.culture.new-zealand:2023
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: New banknotes
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:18:49 GMT
	<1992Jul20.030701.16432@rata.vuw.ac.nz> <5377@mccuts.uts.mcc.ac.uk>
	<1992Jul22.100552.24187@osf.org>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
In-reply-to: david@postman.gr.osf.org's message of 22 Jul 92 10:05:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.100552.24187@osf.org> david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) writes:

   What does the Bank of England/Scotland etc. gain out of issuing banknotes?

The Bank of England, despite its name, is the UK's national bank.  Issuing
banknotes is part of its job.  The Scottish and other banks which issue notes
do it mainly for publicity I think, and because they've been doing it for
hundreds of years.  Helps their image.

   It seems like a con to me, I persuade a group of people to use a worthless
   chitty with no real assets backing it, which represents goods and services
   provided by them, hmmmm sounds like I'm getting a huge interest free loan
   here.  Imagine if the plumber called and I gave him an IOU which I said
   all the local shops would accept on the basis that if asked I would
   exchange it for.... another IOU.

What the hell, if it gets the goods moving about it can't be too bad.  Better
than direct bartering.
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)
From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Pronounciaton of Three-Syllable Words
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:23:21 GMT
Organization: sgi

In article <36928@ttidca.TTI.COM>, jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson) writes:
|> (Jon Livesey) writes:
|> >|> jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson) writes:
|> >|> > 
|> >|> > One of my best friends is from the lower classes. Poor chap actually had
|> >|> > to work while he was going to school (he served behind the counter
|> >|> > in a tobacconists I think).
|> >
|> >Well, I had a job while I was in Grammar School.   I worked
|> >in a store on Putney High Street.    What does that make me?
|> >I have no idea, and care less.
|> 
|> It obviously makes you a member of the class of people who worked
|> while in school.
|> 
|> It also reminds me of the story whereby a psychology lecturer stated to
|> his audience that some people took general remarks personally, and
|> someone shouted out "Well, *I* don't!"
|> 
|> I also think some of the responders to my humble anecdote (naming no
|> names) made an elementary error in logic. You cannot infer that because
|> someone worked while in school he or she was a member of the lower class.
|> It is however true that people (in England at least) who work while in
|> school are more likely to have come from privilege challenged backgrounds.

May I point out here that I didn't make this elementary mistake.
Nor did the person to whom I responded, Laura Johnson, whose 
posting you have, for some reason, and without noting the fact,
deleted here, leaving the impression, perhaps, that I was 
responding directly to you.

Rather, Ms Johnson *asked* if it would be true that such a 
person would be "lower class".  To ask is not to infer.  
She also clearly marked that question as being a "drift" from 
your original posting: you deleted this also.

In addition, Ms Johnson was careful to put "lower class" in 
quotes, indicating, perhaps, a doubt about its usefulness as 
a classification that I share.

Finally, your little story about the person who responds to
the lecturer uninvited is not appropriate here, since, as I
have explained, I was responding to a specific question from
Ms Johnson that you have deleted, not making a spontaneous
comment on your own posting.

I find myself wondering if imaginative editing is particularly
common in this news group today.  Naming no names, you understand.

jon.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Subject: Re: MARMITE
Organization: sgi
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 03:15:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.195518.25973@microsoft.com>, randyo@microsoft.com (Randy Orrison) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul14.212932.24378@mtu.edu>, lamott@mtu.edu (LAURENCE  MOTT) writes:
|> >    Does anyone know where I can buy MARMITE in the USA.
|> 
|> Yup.  At your local Safeway store in Redmond, Washington.  Well, it's
|> local for me...

Pier One is another good place.   At least in Ca.

jon.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: gibson@silvertone.Princeton.EDU (John Gibson)
Subject: Re: Voltage converter
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:06:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.140353.28467@pixel.kodak.com>
dj@ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:
>
>If you wish to take anything that uses the US grounded plug, then you
>are an extreme masochist and are unlikely to succeed.

But what about for my computer? Are you saying that it's rare to
find an outlet that will provide an earth ground for the middle pin?
Surely British Macs have a 3-prong AC cord.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
John Gibson                          Princeton Univ. Dept. of Music
gibson@silvertone.Princeton.EDU
From: jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: WANTED: how much does a bicycle cost in Cambridge, England?
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:37:19 GMT
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.

JHenderson writes:
>I wonder if anyone has experience of removing Kryptonite locks.
>A wrecked bike is locked to my front garen railings and I would
>like to ge rid of it. I am thinking of trying using a sledgehammer
>to smash the "lock" bit, but I don't want to look a fool by
>failing to do this in a public place!!

I was immediately going to recommend a Dremel tool with a grinding blade
in place. These cut through very hard steel and I have had good success
with padlocks. But does "Dremel tool" translate into real English? Its
a cross between a normal electric drill and a dentist's drill, runs at
very high speed and has a host of little thingies that can go into the
chuck.

Dick Jackson
From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Pronounciaton of Three-Syllable Words
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:06:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: rhaller.rhaller-230792084447
Followup-To: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa
Organization: University of Oregon

In article <sooz.711863381@vincent1.iastate.edu>, sooz@iastate.edu (Susan F
Bradley) wrote:
> 
>    I don't know whether or not Ms. Johnson knew that "school" did not mean uni-
> versity in the UK, but perhaps British readers of this net should know that it
> is also quite common and often obligatory for high school students in the US to
> hold part-time jobs
> 
> Susan Bradley 

That's news to me. It is definitely common, but it isn't 'often obligatory'
in high school.

Where it's often 'obligatory' is at university or college where a job is
part of the financial aid package. Most people who attend private schools
(US) these days can't afford to pay the basic costs (much higher tuition
compared to a public school in your own state) without financial aid. A
typical package includes a grant (scholarship), a work study job, a student
loan, a suggested family contribution, and a suggested personal
contribution, which usually includes projected earnings from a summer job
as well.  All of these add up to the total projected cost for a year of
school including books and travel to/from home.

Of course, the university just wants you to pay your bills, so if you
manage to do so without working, they don't care.

That said, there was  (and may still be) a least one college that
_required_ students to work, for philosophical/pedogogical reasons rather
than financial. As I recall, students worked full time and went to school
full time during alternate terms. This required cooperation of several
businesses corporations who agreed to provide appropriate jobs on these
terms.  I suppose their may be some high schools with a similar
arrangement, but it is not common.

-Rich Haller
From: egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.misc
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
Date: 29 Jul 92 09:58:48 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

=>Neil Postlethwaite (neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk) complains:
=>
=>> Does anyone think that the all pervading Amercanisation
=>> of the world had really gotten out of hand.
                            ^^^^^^

It's those bloody gippos that do it, spending their dole
money on American crap.


-- 
-Jeremy Henderson        egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk   

(or am I?)
From: sandee@Think.COM (Daan Sandee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Liberals
Date: 21 Jul 1992 11:41:53 GMT
Organization: TMC
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com

In article <..>, <..> writes:

|> liberally inclined (if not Maoist) 

It's been said before, but it might bear pointing out once more, for the
benefit of non-Americans (this is s.c.b., after all) :

In American politspeak, the ultimate liberal is a Maoist - something which
will astonish liberals throughout the world, and will make Mao turn over
in his grave.

Daan Sandee                                           sandee@think.com
Thinking Machines Corporation
Cambridge, Mass 02142                                 (617) 234-5044
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: maton@jester.usask.ca (Terry Maton)
Subject: Help wanted in London & Kent
Originator: maton@jester.usask.ca
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:03:23 GMT

My wife and I will be visiting England in September. (We left in 1975)
We would like to contact a few people we have lost touch with.
To that end I would be pleased to hear by email from anyone willing to
look up a few names in the telephone books for me.
You would need access to the London telephone books and the books for 
Kent covering Medway towns, Maidstone and Sittingbourne.

Terry
-- 
Terry Maton
University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada

INTERNET:   maton@sask.usask.ca   or   maton@herald.usask.ca