From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:05:46 GMT

In article <26623@optima.cs.arizona.edu> curtis@optima.UUCP (Curtis E. Dyreson) writes:
>>Seeing how the Broncos performed against a massive line at a neutral site .....
>> 
>Well, the scales have certainly fallen from my eyes.  You are soooo right.
>A Bronco victory at home means a massive Redskin victory
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                a massive line, as in offensive line.
>at a neutral site.   
Yep, because it's your from own words that the Broncos swoons in the SB are
"routine", plus they didn't play the game at Denver, plus they didn't know
how to handle a power running team ....

>>But then again the Broncos haven't beaten any one of 49er teams when they were 
>> awesome during the regular season.  The ones they beat was in 82 (4-5), 85 
>> (10-6) and 88 (10-6).
>Again, how foolish of me not to see that except in all the years the Broncos
>beat them, that the 49ers just totally outclass the Broncos.  
Well, because I was talking about 1987, you don't have any samples of the
Broncos beating the 49ers in 1987, not even a one-point squeaker at home, 
do you? I mean, if 1985 and 1988 can imply 1987, I can certainly use Redskins 
routs in 1987 and 1992 to imply 1987, can't I?

Take your pick.

>> Let's look at the four NFC losers mentioned above against the AFC:
>>                       total      road games      vs AFC playoff teams
>>                       13-3           6-2                3-2 
>
>The scales just keep falling.  These guys are also nowhere near playing
>even against the AFC playoff teams, 3-2, why that's total domination!
Is a 3-2 mark total domination? It depends ON THE CONTEXT!

It is when you talk about playoff road record since the 80s. Joe Gibbs'
3-2 record is by far the best. I think NOBODY ELSE HAD A WINNING RECORD,
and guess how many coaches are there in the decade. 

Likewise, in the context of "record vs playoff teams of the other 
conference", 3-2 is 1.5 games ahead of the record of the AFC conference 
champs (Denver). That's domination in my book!

>I've just been bowled over by the sheer mastery of your arguments Ed.
>It's time to take off my AFC-colored glasses and see things the way
>they really are.  I used to think that a 27 point blowout wasn't much
>better than a 40 point blowout (due to that silly law of diminishing returns
>and all that jazz), but now, with my newfound wisdom (thanks to you) I 
>really consider it to be significantly better.  Plus you throw in the fact
>that the 27 point blowout wasn't at a neutral site, if it had been,
>that would be another 5 point shift making it only a 22 point blowout,
>practically a close game!  Can you believe it Ed, I used to think that 
>this was a flimsy basis, at best, for ranking teams.  
That's only what you think. Definitely not how the coaches think. Guess
in which game the Giants played the starters more in 86, vs Washington in
the NFC championship or vs Denver in the SB? or how about the 49ers in 
89, vs the Rams or vs the Broncos? I only have the offensive stats.
Check out the starters vs reserves in carries, receptions and passing
attempts. If you need help, just ask.

So it's not what you think that counts, it's whom Bill Parcells and
George Siefert put on the field that counts.

>But now I reckon that a team that got blown-out by only 22 has just got 
>to be superior to one that got blown-out by 40.  
Geez, just like if you get KOed by Riddick Bowe in the 1st minute, I get 
KOed in the 6th round. Hey, are you telling me all KOs are the same?

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                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
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