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From: mcclaine@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Casey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Alien^3? Loved it.
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:23:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep2.202328.14283
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <PETRI.WESSMAN.92Sep2165932@daredevil.hut.fi> Petri.Wessman@hut.fi writes:
>On 31 Aug 92 17:00:30 GMT, michaell@cogs.susx.ac.uk (Michael Lazarou) said:
>
>[some spoilers]

>Michael> no identifiable characters.
>
>Hnh? How about Ripley, the medic & the black "spiritual leader"? I
>found all their characters believable and well portrayed. If by
>"identifiable characters" you mean Heroes(tm) who waltz off into the
>Hollywood sunset at the end of the film, no, it didn't have those.
>Guess you missed the point of the film. It wasn't about survival, it
>wasn't about humanity kicking the shit out of Bug Eyed Monsters, it
>was about death and the courage it takes to face death. A requiem, if
>you like... the Good Guys don't always win.
>

	A *requiem*.  YES!!! That's perfect!


>
>All things considered, I can well understand why US viewers hate the
>film. It's simply not a happy film, and that's a bad blow to a
>generation that has been brough up to believe that heroes always win
>and the Happy End triumphs. Personally I respect Fincher for giving us
>the film that he did, must have taken guts to push through such an
>uncompromisingly harsh vision. I can just imagine the hordes of film
>company executives screaming "you just can't do that in an American
>film!". Bravo.

	Damn straight!  This should hopefully wake up some people that
	they are being overly critical of this movie by not seeing
	it for what it really is.  Too bad harsh reality is sometimes
	portrayed in a movie!(sarcasm)  Alien 3 *was* a movie that
        expressed courage in the face of horrific death and incredible odds.
	Yes, it almost seems that the struggles of Newt, Hicks, and Ripley
	were all a waste because of the outcome of this third installment,
	but face it, real life presents many of those same ironic tradgedies
	and I feel that there are not enough movies out there to reflect this.

	This previous poster deserves applause for a good terse assessment
	of what I feel was a fine addition to the Alien theme.



	_/_/_/_/   _/_/_/_/   _/_/_/   	Han:  "I knew you were going to say
	_/     _/  _/       _/     _/          that, old fool."
	_/     _/  _/       _/              
	_/_/_/_/   _/_/_/   _/            
	_/   _/    _/       _/          Ben:  "Who's more foolish, the fool
	_/    _/   _/       _/     _/          or the fool who follows him?"
	_/     _/  _/_/_/_/   _/_/_/      
	Robert E. Casey  (mcclaine@milton.u.washington.edu)
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From: dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton)
Subject: Re: E.T.
Organization: Intermetrics Inc., Washington Division, USA
	<DLB.92Aug19145541@fanny.wash.inmet.com>
	<1992Aug20.092103.18632@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:45:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.092103.18632@aber.ac.uk> dmf@aber.ac.uk (Darren
Michael Forbes) writes:

      Is there no special law regarding quarantene (sp?).  I mean, if
   Elliot and ET had highly contagious Martian Mumps (fatal in humans)
   is it not possible to isolate him without his permission.  Oh and
   wasn't ET an illegal immigrant (at least) and if so then couldn't the
   police get a warrant easily?

As stated before, the state can do any of this WITH APPROPRIATE DUE
PROCESS.  The police could probably get a warrant very easily, with
all the federal weight around there.  The point is, they didn't.  At
least, none was ever shown being served.  Without a warrent being
served, the kind of entry shown is not legal (except in very special
circumstances: the "no-knock" warrant).

					Dave Barton
					dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com
From: t9014201@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Alien Cuisine: What did Nipper nibble on?
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:30:20 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <rabjab.43.0@golem.ucsd.edu>, rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof) writes:
> After Nipper (an attempt to personalize an Alien here) leaves Kane dead
> in the Nostromo's mess hall, How Did It get so BIG?  Did it drink
> water all day in the "room where is rains" or did it break into
> the food stores, like a nasty tribble?  Does it eat most anything?
> Metal, plastic, cloth?.  Does it wash it all down with sulphuric acid?
> 
> Even a hundred or so humans can't be enough food for an egg-producing
> queen.  WHAT ELSE DO THEY EAT?
> 
> Jeff Bytof
> rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu  
-- 
When I first saw Alien, I was just a little guy.
My theory then was that since the Alien is a Silicon Based Lifeform, maybe it
ate the Silicon Chips from the Nostromo's Computers.
OK, so I was a stupid kid...

--
* Clouds...  Love...  Stars... Colours... *
                                     Greg McPherson * T9014201@phillip.edu.au
From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: ALIENS 1-2-3
Date: 27 Aug 92 08:57:50 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <u906789.714879052@bruny>, by u906789@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Mark Julian Turner):
> If a computer could fly a dropship then why do they need Ferro & Spunkmyer?

That's why they should have left somebody on board the ship.

-- 
Markus Stumptner                                mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at
University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@relay.eu.net
Paniglg. 16, A-1040 Vienna, Austria             ...mcsun!vexpert!mst
From: iluvls@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (James E Parks)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Alien^3?
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:17:13 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee

>	If Alien^3 had been only a laughably inept attempt at moviemaking
>I would have just walked out of the theater, felt ripped off for a moment,
>and then forgotten it.  But it wasn't.  Alien^3 wasn't content to be bad
>on its own; it reached out and tainted the other films as well.  As people
>have pointed out, the sacrifice and struggle in Aliens is made meaningless
>by the events in Alien^3.  This is absolutely true.  You can't take Alien^3
>in a vacuum; it's part of a continuum.  And as a conclusion to the Alien
>story it falls far short, and leaves a sour taste in the mouth.
>
>- John
Good call John.
    James :)


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From: usenet@transfer.stratus.com (Mr. Network News)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Alien 2,3
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:18:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: dwetzel.2798281081
Reply-To: Dave_Wetzel@vos.stratus.com
Organization: Dave_Wetzel

In article <94095@bu.edu> robrod@csa.bu.edu writes:
> 
> What I really hated about Aliens is that after the military got
> completely overmatched by the aliens, comes Ripley, turning into
> superwoman, and singlehandedly walks with no problems to the nest of the
> aliens and creates havoc, kicks their ass, and returns unchallenged to
> the ship.

My impression is that Ripley had three advanages over the Marines.  First, 
didn't they have their clips taken?  At least some of them never got a 
chance to shoot.  Second, when the Marines went in they had no idea where 
they were going or where aliens might have been hiding.  In a way they 
were pathfinders for Ripley.  Third, Ripley went in alone.  Anything that 
moved could be shot at.  The Marines had to identify their targets.

I was a bit confused about the Marines freaking the way they did though.  
I guess these people weren't as elite as Ripley was lead to believe (maybe 
the company sent less experienced marines on purpose?).

I agree that the movie industry needs to start doing action movies that 
don't rely on the "I'll kick butt because I'm madder than everyone else".

--------------
Dave_Wetzel@vos.stratus.com
From: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: ALIENS 1-2-3
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:20:59 GMT
Reply-To: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)

In article <u906789.714793601@bruny>, u906789@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Mark
Julian Turner) writes:
|>mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:
|>
|>>From article
<1992Aug24.074940.12623@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>, by
Onno.Meyer@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Onno Meyer):
|>>> If aliens shows a first contact scenario, a lot of mistakes (like leaving
|>>> the dropship vulnerable to attack) might be explained.  The poor marines
|>>> never encountered anything but human colonists.
|>
|>>No, the marines were presented as battle-hardened veterans (to show
|>>off Gorman's inexperience better).  Actually, the way they handled the
|>>dropship would have been dumb against any kind of opponent (regardless
|>>OF whether they fought aliens or humans before).
|>
|>But, Gorman had declared "the area is secure". The aliens were only
known to be
|>in the area of the reactor. Spunkmyer was hardly to know there was an alien
|>roaming around when he took the equipment to Bishop...
|>

   The Aliens weren't "known" to anywhere. The marines had no idea what
they would meet or where when the parked the dropship. IMHO the marines
fucked up big style. God! I am now a confessed "Aliens" trivia junkie,
despite trying for so long for so hard to avoid threads like these!
                 
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From: seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Alien^3? Loved it.
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:57:21 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: seawasp@pmax1.cis.pitt.edu

In article <1992Sep3.083030.18324@comp.lancs.ac.uk> marc@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Marc Goldman) writes:
>In article <5401@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:
>>	And I guess people miss the point of MOVIE. A movie IS NOT REALITY.

>A very true statement. 
>So it always amazes me why people spend hours and hours writing long
>messages picking holes in something which is pure fantasy.

	That's not really so amazing. There are, as I see it, two main
reasons:

	1) It's fun. It allows you to exercise your "what if" skills and
argue for hours with other people. Some people enjoy this.

	2) A movie may be fantasy, but a GOOD fantasy SHOULD be self-
consistent -- that is, whatever rules and postulates are laid out
in the story should be consistent throughout the story, and we should be
able to reasonably assume that our own rules will apply wherever it isn't
specifically stated that they do not (i.e., in Aliens we assume that the
Aliens all come from facehuggers and that they don't just spontaneously
generate from nowhere...). Thus pointing out these holes is criticism of
the movie and also helpful for those writing their own fantasies ("hmm.
I'd better remember to plug THAT plot-hole, or the r.a.sf crowd will
blow me away...").


                                 Sea Wasp
                                   /^\
                                   ;;;
From: beh10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Bring the Science Fiction Channel to Colorado!
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:14:50 GMT
Reply-To: beh10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


Sorry for wasting bw, but my attempt to respond through email bounced...


In article <1992Aug28.194704.26061@ico.isc.com> you write:

>TCI is also pressuring people to kick their congresscritters about some new
>cable (de?)regulation bill that they (of course) claim will cost everybody
>money.  Anybody got the bird's-eye lowdown on this caper?
>DLP


There are a lot of cable Tv subscribers who have seen their rates
launch into the stratosphere over the past few years, mainly due to
the deregulation of the CATV industry during the Reagan administration.
Many people have complained to their Congressmen, so there have been
one or more attempts to pass a bill that would REregulate the cable
industry.  Of course, TCI, Warner, etc all oppose this regulation
because it would infringe on their Constitutional right to f**k
the subscribers five ways to Sunday, which they have enjoyed doing
over the past half decade.  

(Pres. Bush has vowed to veto any such bill, but the House and Senate 
both seem to have pretty close to enough votes to override the veto.)

If you want the BIRD'S EYE VIEW, talk to the cable companies. Seems like
they just fly over head and sh*t on us with impunity.  If you're sick
of paying through the nose to watch tv, if you're tired of twice yearly
cable rate hikes with little or no service improvement, if you're tired
of being treated like dirt when your cable goes out and you call for 
somebody to come fix it... then write your Congresscritter and tell
'em that enuff's enuff, and that they should vote to support the
cable tv re-regulation legislation.  


If you're happy with the way things are now, don't do anything.


   -barry h.

---
The above diatribe came from my very own little warped mind, and in no
way represents the views of my employer, my psychiatrist, or my dog.
And tomorrow, _I_ may not even agree with it.

--
Barry Holsinger       | I ain't git'n et by no gators to make my wage!
Sunnyvale, CA         | There are better ways to make a buck in dis
beh10@DUTS.amdahl.com | nutty town!!  -Ralph Snart
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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Alien 3 (NOT Aliens^3) script that I saw
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 06:19:35 GMT


Several months ago, when perusing the files of a local BBS, I saw
a file labeled "Alien 3 Script."  I d/led it, checked it out, and 
found that it was a failed script for the third Alien movie.  I'm
going to try to find it again, but if I can't, I'm going to tell a
little about it anyway.

It took up where Aliens left off, but was kind of strange.  The
SULACO was boarded on the way back to Earth by a ship from the empire
that the U.S.S.R. has become (this was written before the breakup of
the Soviet Union).  For some reason I can't remember (perhaps another
Marine ship is approaching), they only take Bishop off the ship.  The
three other sleepers are left in the ship.

When they get back, some more eggs are discovered in the ship (I think
the Soviets found and took some, too).  These are placed in a bio-research
(i.e. bio-weapons) space station for careful examination.  

I'm hazy on the details, but somehow one of the eggs cracks open, but 
instead of releasing aliens (now those of you who are annoyed about the
"genetic absorption" change in the life cycle, hold onto your seats for
this one), it released a green vapor, which got into the ventilation sys-
tem.  The mist contained "some sort of virus" that caused humans who
inhaled it to mutate into Aliens themselves hours later!

By the end of the script, Ripley had been critically injured and sealed
in a coldsleep capsule (no doubt to get her conveniently out of the 
Alien series as it was rumored she was going to get out), and Hicks
had led a party of humans (who kept mutating into Aliens that had to be
taken care of) out of the space station.  Can't remember what happened
to Newt.  

Bishop, I recall, had been given a set of inferior polycarbonite legs
by the Soviets, and this set of legs broke down during the flight from
the aliens...

That's all I can recall.  I'll try to find the script and post it here
so everybody can have a good laugh at it.  

---Chris Meadows

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From: labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche)
Subject: Re: rec.arts.sf.movies.alien?
Keywords: SARCASM ALERT
Reply-To: labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:29:38 GMT

In article <17e3saINNnsj@network.ucsd.edu>, mmaxwell@ucsd.edu writes:
|>>sarcasm generator engaged<
|>
|>Hey there!  How about a new group for all these Alien/Aliens/
|>Alien^3 discussions?  I mean trekkies got theirs, so did the 
|>Star Wars discussants, why not the Aliens films?  We could even
|>have FAQs, archives of all the names for Aliens 4, and discussions
|>of the Joseph Conrad references until our eyes bleed.
|>
|>These threads don't _have_ to die!  We can keep them going forever
|>and forever.  But the least they deserve is their own group.  So,
|>what do you say?
|>

Yes, Yes, Yes, its also beneficial for those who aren't interested.
                   

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Bell Northern Research          |   Part of Northern Telecom 
Richardson, Texas               |   i'm really in Texas
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No opinions herein expressed have anything to do with the opinions 
of Bell Northern Research or Northern Telecom or CIA or NSA ...
These statements are mine and mine alone, well i guess my wife 
agrees with some of them?
From: atomas@geloser.CAM.ORG (J-F Bissonnette)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Photography
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:56:01 GMT
Organization: Gentleman Loser System, Montreal/Qc/Cdn

Hi everyone,

  It may be a weird question to ask but is there any newsgroup
about photography?   I have a limited feed here so I dont have
the list of all the groups on internet.  

Thanks in advance!

J.F.

--
atomas@geloser.CAM.ORG (J-F Bissonnette)
Gentleman Loser System -- Montreal, Qc, Canada
From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: The Last(?) Word on "Why didn't they leave someone else on the Sulaco?"
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:24:17 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: concertina

>wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes) writes:
>
>>For instance, during Desert Shield, I seem to remember hearing
>>somewhere that the military had insufficient transport planes to get
>>its men and machines over there, so they had to rent(?)  commerical
>>transports to get the job done.  I think it's incredibly stupid that
>>no one sat down and figured out, "Hey, if we want to be able to move x
>>amount of equipment, we'd better buy y number of transports!"  And
>>yet, apparently no one did.  

Do you have any idea of how expensive that would be?  Take a look sometime
at the battles going on in Congress over the C-17 project, a transport
to replace ageing C-141's (which are over 20 years old these days).  SAid
Starlifters are getting old enough that many have exceeded their projected
lifespans (cracking main wing spars, etc.).

It would be remarkably stupid (not to mention expensive) to acquire a
military airlift fleet of the size needed for Desert Storm-scale operations,
considering that for 19 out of 20-odd years, the actual need for transport
would be at a much lower level.

So you build a fleet to operate at normal levels, plus a little cushion,
and make some arrangements to coopt civilian transport during peak demand
periods.

The ex-Soviet Union for years ran the largest airline in the world: Aeroflot.

Note that *all* Aeroflot aircraft, crews, and equipment could be called up
at any time for military service.  Everything from the Tu-144 "Concordski"
down to things like Antonov An-2 biplanes (which are still in active service
in frontier areas like Siberia).

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From: TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu (Sime)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Aliens Special Edition -- Yuck!
Date: 29 Aug 92 19:42:10 GMT
 <1992Aug28.231853.24481@sura.net>
Organization: Penn State University

Sorry if I missed this, but is Aliens going to be released (on videotape) with
the extra footage included? I heard it would be in the future on "The Making
of Alien 3" on HBO.  But I don't know when and I'd love to get a copy.
Actually, I'm hoping to wait until Alien, Aliens (with extra footage) and Alien
3 are all release together in a set (for Christmas if we're lucky) and snag it
then.

If anyone knows anything, please e-mail me. Thanks.

Sime
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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Hey!  Here's an idea for the 4th Aliens movie!
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 17:48:52 GMT


Okay, I've got it.  We cast Danny Glover as a cop in a future metro-
polis.  Suddenly something strange appears and starts knocking off
criminals, one by one, and...

Oh, wait.  That's been done.

---Chris Meadows

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From: ljva@athena.mit.edu (L. James Valverde A. Jr.)
Subject: Russian movie "Stalker, The Zone"         
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:29:45 GMT

<1992Aug27.221947.22152@gallant.apple.com>:

>be sure to mentally edit out the car ride through Tokyo -- if you've seen the 
>film you already know exactly what I mean, if you haven't seen it yet, you 
>*will* know what I mean, and *trust me*... you'll enjoy the whole film more if 
>you just mentally edit out that one scene.

It was my understanding that Lem intended this scene to be a metaphor for
science as an intrinsically *human* endeavor. This idea, when first presented to
me, seemed rather subliminal. After reading the book, however, it seemed to make
more sense. The basic idea is that the Solarists, in their inquiry of the planet,
had embarked upon a seemingly endless journey in a quest for knowledge and
understanding. After decades of research and exploration, they still knew very
little about the planet.

I'm by no means an expert at this stuff, but the basic idea seems plausible
enough. Does anyone else have any ideas as to the "significance" or "meaning" of
this particular scene?

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