From: al158305@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Gustavo Cordova Avila)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: READ THIS AMIGANS, FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:49:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: academ01.al158305.718667385

(Rune Hyldmo) writes:

>I am sick and tierd of all you Amiga-dorks out there trying to tell us that
>the new low-end amigas will crush the FALCON. 

   So? Why don't you just ignore us and shut up?

>Have you stopped to think at all, I know it is a little to much to ask of
>an Amiga freak, but still...

   Hmmm... by reading your post, I believe that would actually be backwards,
   what you see in others is a mere reflaction of what you see inside yourself.
   Strange isn't it? But really, it's true.

>The DSP does little to improve the Falcon. Are you saying that the NEXT is
>a bad machine. The DSP is to weak. I hope NOT. And the Falcon DSP is even
>better because of more memory. I will try top get an expert to write an
>article about the DSP and what it can do. You will be supprised of what it
>can do. 

   The DSP can do nothing for a WP, for a spreadsheet, for a database, for
   a paint program, for a compiler. My point? It can only be used by
   specialized programs. And no, I don't think I'll be surprised.

>To get to my real point... 

   Yes, lets..

>When will the low-end amigas at earliest be in mass-production? 

    Why are you so sure? You may be right, but then, you may be wrong.
    Don't be too sure of what you say, you can become the laughing stock
    of... wherever you are.

>-In my oppinion in mid-fall 93 maybe even just before christmas 93..wow

>How many Falcons is likely to be sold by then??  A LOT!!!!!

    That's still to be seen. I personally don't think so. If Commodore is
    thought of as a game-computer company, I can't imagine what the
    general public think when they hear the name "Atari".

>How much faster are the SCSI II Harddisks than the IDE-counterpart?

>About TEN TIMES FASTER. (IDE: max. 1 MB per second transfer-ratio. SCSI II
>max.
>10 MB per second. SCSI II is therfore MUCH better for use with for example
>CD-ROM and sound recording even though the IDE can handle
>Direct-to-HD-recording

    And how much more expensive? Really now, SCSI-II is an emerging standard,
    and if I had money to buy a large SCSI-II drive i surely wouldn't buy
    an Atari to use it on, maybe a sun, or an Iris, but not an Atari.

    And the direct to HD recording is only usable if you're into professional
    sound processing or music, so it doesn't pertain to the normal every-day
    user.

>What is the PRICE-DIFFERENCE between the FALCON and the A4000?

    And the spec-diffrences? I'd compair the falcon to the 16Mhz A3000,
    about ("about") the same price if you add all the stuff to the falcon
    to make it comparable, and the only difrence is the DSP.

>The FALCON is $ 2 201 cheeper. O.K the A4000 has an harddisk, but by not
>suppliing it ATARI gives the costomer the choise of bying a SCSI II or an
>IDE HD and choose the size of the HD for themselves. You can get good
>bargains on an HD at a 3rd party dealer. That and the price WILL be an
>disadvantage for the A4000.

    I really don't think so. What's the hot spot on the PC market today?
    Whole systems, including monitors, memory, OS, utilities, sometimes even
    applications, and (you guessed it) a hard disk. So, it's not such a big
    advantage not to have a hard disk in the deal. Users who don't like to
    muck around with their machines configuration will want to buy a whole
    system. Sorry Atari buyers.

>If you do not think that is a problem, then why did the ST (not STE) sell
>so much when the Amiga costed only $ 200 more. The Amiga is and was a
>better machine than the ST so thats no excuse. 

    Yes it does! The ST came out about a month or two before the Amiga,
    and when introducing machines a month does make a big diffrence.

>WhaT we are talking about is
>$ 2 201 more for the A4000 That WILL stop almost everbody who is not
>filty-rich or a spoiled asshole from bying the A4000. The worlds economy is
>in recession.

    You don't have to be filthy rich to get an A4000, just be able to save
    your pennies for a while. Besides, if I couldn't get a 4000 I'd get a
    3000, *if* I didn't have my expanded A1000 already :)  but surely not
    an Atari.

>FACE THE FACTS !!!! 

    Hey! I AM!! Atari doesn't give me a multitasking multithreading
    expandable infinitely configurable operating system, on the other
    hand, Amiga does, and that works very ok with me.

>Are ATARI going to sit on their buts after the launch of the FALCON?

    Hmmm... if you remember their past record, maybe they will, but
    who knows, maybe you can teach an old dog new tricks (lets see,
    say "meeow").

>Hell, NO. They will be ready with the new FALCON 040 around christmas. It
>is said to be a MUCH better machine than the A4000. (24-bits TRUE COLOUR,
>same sound as on the 030, DSP 96K perhaps even multiple ones.

    I sincerely don't think it'll be ready for christmas, unless it's a
    normal falcon with an 040 in it's PDS slit (yes, slit :).

>They are also launching a new games console in the spring of 93. It has
>almost the same graphics as the FALCON 030, but without the DSP. AND a
>64-BIT CPU plus the same sound as the 030. ATARI WILL RULE!!! 

    Hmmm... what does a game console have to do with the falcon? Unless Atari
    wants to re-enter the game market, but...

>FACE THE FACTS!!!!

    Don't repeat yourself, you sound childish.

>FACE THE FACTS NERDS!!!

    I may be a nerd, but I can have a normal conversation for more that
    a minute or two with another normal person without frothing at the
    mouth or shouting or... etc. Can you?

>(I am just trembling when I think about the nerds revenge, I am sooo
>scared)

    I saw the movie. Just proves a point I had some time ago. I had a few
    laughs too. So did my friends, do you have friends?

>Greetings??? from

>Rune Hyldmo

>If you complain about my spelling. Then I will be satisfied, because then
>you have not much to complain about, and remember I am Norwegian. We got
>Oil and polarbears are walking in the streets as we speak. No, they are not
>you dumb asshole.

    So? You're spelling is adecuate. What does it have to do with you being
    Norweigian? I'm Mexican and I spell ok most of the time.

Salutations.

-Gus
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