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From: michael@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Michael)
Subject: Re: How to Protect Women
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:08:08 GMT

In <1992Dec17.141009.27359@cbnews.cb.att.com> lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.235029.14126@tellab5.tellabs.com> chrz@tellabs.com (Peter Chrzanowski) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec16.182526.17993@leland.Stanford.EDU>, dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen) writes:
>>> But do we really want to set up public policy so that
>>> we allow killing if the killer for whatever reasons, psychological
>>> or otherwise, finds his situation difficult? 
>>
>>Why not?  After all, we've declared alcoholism and drug abuse to be
>>diseases, surely you can't hold a person responsible for being sick? 
>   
>Where I live drunk drivers are routinely jailed if they hurt someone.

Good.  Sometimes this is necessary to make some people wake up and
realize they have a problem.

>>Did you commit a crime while under the influence?  Well, gee, surely we
>>should understand that you were helpless before the power of your addiction?
>  
>A local teenager just got life for murdering his girlfriend while under
>the influence of steroids.

I don't know how steroids can affect someone, but if the person was
addicted and it led them to cause a crime, then I think we'd be better
off heping the kid overcome the addiction than sending him away for life.

On the other hand, if he negligently took a drug that led him to commit
a horrible crime, then its a different matter.

    Michael Stanley (michael@glia.biostr.washington.edu)
From: todd@reed.edu (Todd Ellner)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: cosmo covers--models too thin?
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:17:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Dec19.001705.13598
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon

In article <1992Dec17.151650.949@blurt.oswego.edu> tuttle@blurt.oswego.edu writes:
>Do you men out there truly think that those models are too thin?  I have
>friends that say that all the time, but we women diet till we drop to look like
>that!  Do you prefer a petite size 4 or a perfect size 10?  

"truly think that those models are too thin?". No, not at all. I'd say they 
are f***ing STARVING TO DEATH. Their faces look drawn as if by chronic
malnutrition. They have no body fat, arms that wouldn't look out of place
in a UNICEF fund-raising poster, and figures like a boy with Jiffy Boob (tm)
silicone overdoses. Go see "The Famine Within" and meditate on a statue of the
Venus of Willendorf for a while, please. Standards of beauty don't necessarily
have anything to do with reproduction or reproductive suitability, but they
shouldn't be absolutely antithetical bearing healthy children.
-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Todd Ellner  todd@reed.edu 
"What has the study of biology taught you about the Creator Dr. Haldane?"
JBS Haldane:"I'm not sure, but He seems to be inordinately fond of beetles."
From: hrcoord@igc.apc.org (Human Rights Coordinator)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Subject: Israel: US CAmpus Illegal
Date: 19 Dec 92 19:58:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1476700886:000:1490
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Dec 19 11:58:00 1992


From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord>
Subject: Israel: US CAmpus Illegal

/* Written  7:43 pm  Dec 18, 1992 by pnmideast@igc.apc.org in igc:mideast.action */

I have also gotten information about this from the Middle East Justice
Network in Boston, Mass. (mejn@igc.apc.org; tel. 617/666-8061) and the American-Arab
Anti-Discrimination Committee in Washington, DC (adc@igc.apc.org  
tel. 202/244-2990) Call and ask them about their action alerts on
this.

Jennifer Smith
facilitator, Middle East conferences, PeaceNet
pnmideast@igc.apc.org

Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 17:58 EST
Subject: Univ. of New Haven's HaSharon Campus
To: p-net@alquds.org

Regarding University of New Haven's new HaSharon Campus which will be 
located in Israel's "Administrative Territory", according to 
University President Lawrence J. DeNardis. The campus is to be located 
in the West Bank settlement of Elkana, thus supporting the occupation, 
violating international law, including the 4th Geneva Convention and 
the Hague Convention of 1907. This would also violate established 
precedents in US foreign policy regarding development in the occupied 
territories.
E
Everyone is urged to fax or call in your concern:
Lawrence J. DeNardis, UNH Pres. 203-937-0756(fax), 203-932-7246(tel), 
300 Orange Ave., West Haven, CT 06516.
Toni Blood, UNH Public Affairs, 203-937-0756(fax), 203-932-7242(tel)
Edward Djerejian, Assistant for NE & S Asian Affairs, US Dept of State 
202-647-7720(fax) 202-647-7209(tel)
-Sharif
From: fbp@igc.apc.org (Foreign Bases Project)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Subject: STOP UN/Jakarta Hypocrisy Now!!
Date: 19 Dec 92 22:36:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1476700888:000:2702
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!fbp    Dec 19 14:36:00 1992


From: Foreign Bases Project <fbp>
Subject: STOP UN/Jakarta Hypocrisy Now!!

/* Written 10:13 pm  Dec 17, 1992 by peacenet@igc.apc.org in igc:pn.announcemen */
/* ---------- "STOP UN/Jakarta Hypocrisy Now!!" ---------- */
From: <peacenet>
Subject: STOP UN/Jakarta Hypocrisy Now!!

From cscheiner Thu Dec 17 21:25:33 1992
From: Charles Scheiner <cscheiner>

/* Written  9:24 pm  Dec 17, 1992 by cscheiner@igc.apc.org in igc:reg.easttimor */
/* ---------- "STOP UN/Jakarta Hypocrisy Now!!" ---------- */
      ***** Urgent Action Alert *****
to:   Human rights and solidarity groups
from: Jose Ramos-Horta
re:      Protest UN "Human Rights" seminar in Jakarta!
date: December 17, 1992

The UN Human Rights Center in Geneva has decided to accept Indonesia's 
outrageous invitation to host an Asia-Pacific human rights workshop in 
Jakarta on January 26-28, 1993!
Invitations have already been sent to governments and human rights experts.

I am appealing to every solidarity group and every non-governmental 
organization around the world to launch a campaign of protest and a 
denunciation of this decision by the United Nations.

Such a seminar was to have been held in December 1991, but it was delayed 
because of the November massacre in Dili. The human rights situation in East 
Timor and Indonesia has not improved.

I make a special appeal to NGO's of the Asia-Pacific region, including 
Indonesians, to oppose this bizarre gathering which makes a mockery of human 
rights in Indonesia and in East Timor.

Ask the U.N. Human Rights Center in Geneva if they are planning to hold 
human rights seminars in Yangon (Rangoon), Myanmar (Burma), Tienanmen 
Square, Guatemala City, and Belgrade (Serbia).

Protest notes must be in the strongest possible language. Human rights 
experts who accept the invitation to Jakarta must also be denounced publicly.
Please fax letters of protest immediately to:
   Center for Human Rights, United Nations Office at Geneva
   fax: 41-22-917-0123
Fax copies to
        Alvaro De Soto, Special Assistant to the Secretary General in New York
        fax: 1-212-963-4879

If we cannot prevent the seminar, every government and expert who attends 
must be urged to condemn the human rights situation in East Timor and in 
Indonesia, and to distribute the report of the Special Rapporteur on 
Torture, the latest UN Human Rights Subcommission report on East Timor and 
information from Asia Watch and Amnesty International.

Thank you for your quick and energetic response. Time is of the essence.
------
Alert distributed by the East Timor Action Network/US, 
    PO Box 1182, White Plains, NY 10602 USA
    Tel.914-428-7299  Fax.914-428-7383  Email cscheiner@igc.apc.org
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.greek,bit.listerv.politics,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.theory,misc.headlines,eunet.politics,soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.turkish
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: The Swedenfinns seek official support from Finland
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:00:32 GMT

[ Article crossposted from soc.culture.nordic ]
[ Author was Jarmo Ryyti ]
[ Posted on Thu, 17 Dec 1992 06:57:11 GMT ]

An other attempt with better english...)

: This is a translation of the latest issue of Ruotsinsuomalainen (Swedenfinn)
:  of the 10.12.1992.
: 
: FOR THE MINORITY STATuS IS SEEKED SUPPORT FROM FINLAND (was the headline)
: 
: For the aim of the Swedenfinns to attain an ethnic and lingual minority
: status is seeked now official support from Finland.
: 
: The issue is taken on the agenda of The Committee of the Immigration and
: Refugee issues set by Finland's cabinet, (Suomen valtioneuvoston asettama
: pakolais- ja siirtolaisasiain neuvosto), who gave the declaration of
: the minority status made by the swedenfinnish organisations for the Finnish
: governement last friday. (4.12.92) The Committee of the Immigration and
: Refugee issues for their part received the proclamation of the minority
  status during the  Roots in Finland-festivities last august. 
: 
: According to the committee, Finland shall include the Swedenfinnish
  aim for the minority status into  the issues in official  negotiations
  between Finland and Sweden.
: 
: On the communication made by the committee is reminded prime minister Carl
: Bildt charactrazing the situation of the swedenfinns. Bild has given
  a statement that due to a long common history of the countries,
   finnish settlements in Sweden and great numbers of swedenfinns give
  a right to give a special status for the swedenfinns.
: 
: 
: Ps.
: My comments,
: 
: Very difficult to translate, because of byreucratical text!
 You should notice that Carl Bildt is a concervative. During the social
  democratical time swedish
: governements aimed only to assimilate swedenfinns by all means.
: As the peak of all swedish faschism Ms. Anita Gradin declared publicly
: "Sweden is monolingual and remains monolingual". She is a prominent
: politician in Sweden, normally you heard such speeches in South-Africa
: and in Nazi-Germany but Sweden is no exeption. Her speeches however did
: not rise international publicity. Source for the latest statement is
: an issue of Etel{-Suomen Sanomat, a respectful newspaper in Finland,
: issue of 11.12.92
: 
: Down with swedish faschism and oppression of the finns in Sweden!
: regards,
: jarmo ryyti
:
From: hnaylor@igc.apc.org (Hilary Naylor)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Subject: Re: ISRAEL/OT: Hostage & Palestinians
Date: 20 Dec 92 07:30:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1476700899:cdp:1476700900:000:1692
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hnaylor    Dec 19 23:30:00 1992


From: Hilary Naylor <hnaylor>
Subject: ISRAEL/OT: Hostage & Palestinians

/* Written 11:29 pm  Dec 19, 1992 by hnaylor@igc.apc.org in igc:ai.general */
/* ---------- "ISRAEL/OT: Hostage & Palestinians" ---------- */
Amnesty International
International Secretariat
1 Easton Street
London WC1X 8DJ
United Kingdom

DATE: 17 DECEMBER 1992

ISRAEL AND THE OCCUPIED TERRITORIES:  AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL STRONGLY CONDEMNS
KILLING OF ISRAELI HOSTAGE, CALLS ON ISRAEL TO STOP DEPORTATION OF PALESTINIAN
DETAINEES

Amnesty International has strongly condemned the killing of Sergeant Nissim
Toledano, a member of the Israeli Border Police who was taken hostage on 13
December 1992 by the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) and whose body was
found two days later.  The organization had called on Hamas not to ill- treat
or execute him and to release him as he was held as a hostage.  It regrets
that its appeal has failed. Amnesty International is appealing to the Israeli
authorities not to retaliate to the killing of Sergeant Toledano by deporting
hundreds of Palestinians.  Over 400 Palestinians, said by the government to be
supporters of Hamas and other Palestinian groups, were moved during the night
of 16 December to near the border with Lebanon and are now reported to be held
blindfold in buses awaiting deportation.  The Israeli High Court of Justice
has ordered the government not to carry out the deportations until it reviews
the decision.  It is currently meeting to do so. Amnesty International opposes
the detention and forcible exile of individuals when such measures are imposed
solely on account of their political or other beliefs, expressed without using
of advocating violence.
From: hrcoord@igc.apc.org (Human Rights Coordinator)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Subject: Turkey: Worker Detained
Date: 18 Dec 92 23:51:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1476700882:000:2421
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Dec 18 15:51:00 1992


From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord>
Subject: Turkey: Worker Detained

/* Written  4:36 pm  Dec 16, 1992 by geonet@gn.apc.org in igc:geo2.humanrigh */

Amsterdam
December 16, 1992
Last week Yilmaz Demir, a worker, was detained in Istanbul as a
political prisoner. The reason given for his detention was his
alleged involvement in a politically motivated crime.
For many years Yilmaz Demir has lived in Germany and works for
Adam Opel AG (General Motors Europe) in Ruesselsheim. He is an
active member of the IG Metall union. He had wanted to spend his
holidays in Turkey.
In 1988 a group of people in Turkey were arrested because of a
politically motivated bank robbery. During interrogation about
others involved, Yilmaz Demir's name was dropped. He was
denounced as having received the loot and fleeing to Germany.
Yet, at this time, he had already been in Germany for a long
time. Clearly, he had nothing whatsoever to do with the case.
Recently he received his passport back, which he had had to leave
behind at Istanbul Airport in 1987 to avoid being detained the
last time he was in Turkey.
Yilmaz Demir was an activist in the students movement and was
forced to leave Turkey already in 1979. He does not reside in
Germany as a political refugee. From all the above, there is good
reason to believe that the Turkish authorities are not in the
least interested in bringing Yelmaz to trial on the alleged
offence, but rather of eliminating a person who has opposed them
for many years. Had they really been interested in bringing
Yelmaz to trial, they would have requested his extradition long
ago, as is always the case when such serious allegations are
involved.
As Yilmaz was being detained he just managed to inform his friend
Behiye Tunaboyeu and ask for her support, which she has been
doing over the past few days. Today she was also arrested.
The prison where Yilmaz is being held is notorious for its brutal
treatment of prisoners. We are very concerned about Yilmaz's
health, or even his life. Until today neither a lawyer nor his
relatives have been allowed to talk to him.
We protest in the strongest possible terms to the current
treatment of Yilmaz Demir and Behiye Tunaboyeu. We protest
against their detention on absurd and arbitrary accusations, and
demand fair treatment as stipulated in international law. We
therefore demand an immediate, fair trial, or the immediate
release of both of them.
From: sachz@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU (SAS)
Subject: SMH: Letters Section [Macedonia]
Followup-To:  soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.europe
Originator: sachz@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU
Organization: Dept. Engineering Computer Resources, Melbourne Uni.
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 08:48:12 GMT


                                                Victor Bivell
                                                Asquith NSW 2007
                                                Ph 02 477 6278
December 8, 1992

Ms Geraldine Walsh
Letters Editor
Sydney Morning Herald

Dear Ms Walsh,

   In his letter of December 7, N Stinos from the Hellenic Council
of NSW claims that the leaders of the Republic of Macedonia are
"disregarding the human rights of the ethnic minorities", namely
the Albanians, in Macedonia.

   In fact, the Albanians in Macedonia enjoy a level of human rights
which is unavailable to minorities in neighbouring countries. There
are two Albanian political parties and these hold 23 of the country's
120 parliamentary seats and five cabinet positions. There are Albanian
schools and the Albanian language and literature are widely taught.

   If Mr Stinos is concerned with minorities he should concern himself
with the Macedonian minority in Greece which enjoys no such political
and cultural rights.

   The Macedonian population of northern Greece has fallen from over
one million in 1913 when Greece took over 51 per cent of Macedonia
to about 300,000 today. Many of these migrants fled to Australia.

   The remaining Macedonians have no official status as a minority.
They have no political party, not a single Macedonian language school,
not a single Macedonian church, not a single Macedonian language
newspaper or radio program.

   Any expression of Macedonian culture is seen as a threat to Greek
hegemony and this inhuman situation is maintained by over a dozen
repressive laws enacted by successive Greek governments.

   The existence of the Macedonian minority in Greece is a national
secret that explains why Greece has not ratified the United Nations
International Civil and Political Rights Covenant. Non ratification of
the Covenant means that the United Nations Human Rights Committee is now
able to cross examine Greece in regards to its appalling human rights
record, one of the worst in Europe.

Yours faithfully

Victor Bivell


Newsgroups: soc.rights.human,bit.listserv.politics,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.theory
From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Subject: Re: SMH: Letters Section [Macedonia]
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 23:16:02 GMT


SAS again jokes:


###############################################################################


                                                Victor Bivell
                                                Asquith NSW 2007
                                                Ph 02 477 6278
December 8, 1992

Ms Geraldine Walsh
Letters Editor
Sydney Morning Herald

Dear Ms Walsh,

bla bla ...

   The Macedonian population of northern Greece has fallen from over
                                                                ^^^^
one million in 1913 when Greece took over 51 per cent of Macedonia
^^^^^^^^^^^
to about 300,000 today. Many of these migrants fled to Australia.

more bla bla ...


###############################################################################


He, Mr. Bivell, hasn't even studied his homework from his propaganda
home Skopjia. And then he is expecting anybody to take him seriously
on what he tries to mumble! 

Oh well! At least he doesn't claim any Ph.D in ancient history; he
just tries to help :-)))!

Let's see what the official Skopjia says about the population in
Northern Greece in 1913. (Notice the obvious: No bulgarian mentioned!)


========================================================================

Simovski, T., "The  Balkan  Wars and their Repercussions on the Ethnical 
Situation  in  Aegean  Macedonia", Glasnik, Vol.XVI, No.3, Skopje, 1972.

Population  figures in  Aegean Macedonia, just before the Balkan Wars of 
1912, which saw the liberation of the areas from Ottoman rule:


Macedonians        326,426           Jews                         59,560
Turks              289,973           Vlachs                       45,457
Greeks             240,019           Muslim Macedonians (Pomaks)  40,921


Gypsies             29,803           Christian Turks               4,240
Muslim Greeks       13,753           Muslim Vlachs                 3,500
Muslim Albanians     5,584           Christian Albanians           3,291


Cherkez (Mongols)    2,112
Others               8,100
Total            1,072,739

========================================================================


So, one million was at the most all the population of Northern Greece.
The Skopjians (actually Bulgarians) were AT THE MOST one third of it...!!!

I know! I know! By blowing up the numbers by an order of magnitude helps
"our brave men" to feel even better :-))).

VIVA LA SKOPJIA! ORTSA LA PANTA!


Ciao!
From: sachz@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU (SAS)
Subject: Britian 'Aiding Arms Race in Balkans'.
Followup-To:  soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.europe
Originator: sachz@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU
Organization: Dept. Engineering Computer Resources, Melbourne Uni.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:31:06 GMT


BRITIAN 'AIDING ARMS RACE IN BALKANS'.
Martin Walker in Washington, Guardian Europe.

   Britain is to be asked at next week's Nato minister's meeting in
Brussels to help to stop a new arms race in the Balkans by
withholding British funds that are being used to help ship armaments
to Greece and Turkey, which are increasingly at odds over the Bosnia
crisis to their north.

   The weapons include about 2,000 surplus tanks and other heavy
weapons removed from Nato's central front under the Conventional
Forces in Europe Treaty.

   They make up a large component of a new regional rearmament
programme for Greece and Turkey which defence analysts describe as
"a new arms race". The Nato operation is known as "cascading", and
the plan to ship the redundant weapons is defended on cost grounds,
as it is cheaper to ship them then destroy them.

   Turkey is getting 1,057 M-60 and Leopard main battle tanks from
Germany, the US, and Holland, and Greece is to receive 916. Each
country is also being given 72 M-110 artillery pieces. Greece is
being provided with 150 M-113 armoured combat vehicles, and Turkey
is to get 600.

   Dan Plesch, director of the British-American Security Information
Council (Basic), said yesterday: "This is by far the most
significant politico-military programme that Nato is running in the
Balkans this year."

   "It is ironic that weapons that were to be scrapped to seal the
peace in central Europe are now being shipped to the fringes of a
real war zone in the Balkans."

   The "cascading" of armoured vehicles is the land component of a
major rearmament drive by both Greece and Turkey. Germany is
providing Turkey with another 32 F-4 fighters, in addition to the
$2.8 billion deal Turkey recently reached with the US to help to
manufacture 80 F-16 fighter jets. Greece is also acquiring 28 F-4
fighters and 62 A-7 bombers from the US.

   Mr Plesch said yesterday that Basic would appeal to the Defence
Secretary, Malcolm Rifkind, to block further transfers at next
week's Nato meeting.

   The CFE Treaty identified tanks, artillery and armoured personnel
carriers as particularly threatening. They were the essential
components of a surprise attack, which is why they were cut. They
are therefore seen as destabilising factors in a tense situation in
the Balkans, where Turkey is supporting the beleaguered Muslims of
Bosnia, and Greece is blocking international recognition of
Macedonia.

[end]
From: Hilary Naylor <hnaylor@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Date: 13 Dec 92 19:19 PST
Subject: YEMEN: AI delegate visits
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1476700872:000:1301
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hnaylor    Dec 13 19:19:00 1992


From: Hilary Naylor <hnaylor>
Subject: YEMEN: AI delegate visits

/* Written  7:18 pm  Dec 13, 1992 by hnaylor@igc.apc.org in igc:ai.general */
/* ---------- "YEMEN: AI delegate visits" ---------- */
Amnesty International
International Secretariat
1 Easton Street
London WC1X 8DJ
United Kingdom 

DATE: 8 DECEMBER 1992

YEMEN: AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL DELEGATE VISITS COUNTRY

      An Amnesty International staff member is visiting the Republic of Yemen
between 6 and 16 December 1992.  The primary purpose of the visit is to
conduct research into Amnesty International's concerns in the country.  These
include the continued detention of prisoners of conscience, and other
political prisoners; the torture or ill-treatment of detainees; and the
"disappearances" of individuals while in custody in the former Yemen Arab
Republic and People's Democratic Arab Republic in previous years. The staff
member plans to visit the capital city of Sana'a as well as Hudaida, and Aden.

      While in Yemen it is envisaged that he will also meet with government
officials, parliamentarians, lawyers and members of the judiciary. 

      The Amnesty International delegate will not be authorised to make press
statements during his visit. He will report back to the organization's
Secretary General on his return.