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From: barbaraj@csc.ti.com (Heart Dancer)
Subject: Re: vacation from hell
Reply-To: barbaraj@csc.ti.com
Organization: Computer Science Lab, Texas Instruments
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:16:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.223036.17907@inmet.camb.inmet.com>, mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
>> In article <1992Sep9.135315.1552@newstand.syr.edu> mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu writes:
>>
>> Anyways, the RR folks talk about the "beast" who is that inner voice
>> that goads you into eating.  Frankly, I like "inner child" better (although
>> I am not a big "recovery" fan).  Picture a two-year-old in a supermarket
>> screaming for candy.  Picture the mother or father giving in, because
>> they cannot successfully discipline the child, who then gets worse the
>> next time.  I think that is the underlying problem with overeating.
>> We have the screaming "inner children" or "ids" or "child ego state"
>> or whatever your favorite psych theorist may call it who have gotten
>> really good at getting their way in a supermarket (as Tom can attest),
>> a restaurant, at home, at work, and, my personal favorite, in the car.
>> 
>> Behavioral approaches, such as Steve suggested (don't shop before dinner),
>> are pretty effective.  But I tend to agree with the RR folks who suggest
>> that we must train ourselves to endure some suffering--and shop while
>> hungry, put our small dinners on big plates, and turn down the trip to
>> the candy machine.  Basically, I think it means approaching eating like
>> thin people do--with "adult" behaviors, rather than "child" behaviors.

I don't disagree with what Beth (and the RR folks) propose, but I
don't think the situation that Margo described is necessarily
analogous to the two-year-old screaming for candy.  Instead, picture
the same two-year-old in the grocery store at 4PM in the afternoon,
who has only been given 1/2 bagel to eat all day long.  If the child
is screaming, it is not because she is misbehaving, but because her
needs are not being met and that is the only way (seemingly) to get
the attention of the adult in charge.

A mistake (ie, the binge) is only "bad" if we don't learn from it.
I can see a number of things that Margo might learn from her
experience: (1) if she waits until 4PM to eat, it becomes much more
difficult to make healthy choices within her program; (2) it's
possible that if she had had her frozen yoghurt before going to the
Chinese restaurant, she would have been much less tempted by the fried
rice; (3) going out to eat with friends/relatives requires compromise,
but it seems on *both* eating occasions, she conceded to the wishes of
her companions without really taking care of her own needs.  Perhaps
she could have advocated for a seafood restaurant that had a salad
bar. (Whether or not any of the above fit for Margo is for Margo to
decide.)

BJ
 
"If I can't dance, I don't want to be part of your revolution."
                                        Emma Goldman

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: GC.AVW@forsythe.stanford.edu (RAGIN CAJUN)
Subject: Re: How do you walk that much?  (was Re: inspiration)
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 14:13:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.142939.9085@inmet.camb.inmet.com>,
mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
>In article <1992Sep08.200517.29119@stiatl.salestech.com> klb@stiatl.salestech.com (Kathy Ball) writes:
>>OK, Beth and Peter and anyone else who can do this,
>>how do you walk 9 miles a day?  I've been trying
>>to exercise more, and I just run out of steam at about 3 miles of walking.
>>
>I didn't start out walking 9 miles a day--that's how much I've built
>up to.  I also rarely do more than 5 miles at a time--I usually do
>3 in the morning before work, 3 at lunch, and then 3 in the evening.
>I also tend to walk "to the store" to run errands because I've never
>been fond of walking without a destination.
>
>I'm also *religious* with the headphones--I find that listening to good
>music makes this very tolerable.  And, I really don't walk that fast.  If
>I'm feeling good, I might work up to a 15-minute mile, but generally,
>I keep the pace pretty slow.
>

I don't go without my headsets either.  Does walking slow work, for
some reason I thought you had to walk at a certain pace in order for
it to do any good.  My SO is fussing at me cause I haven't been able
to walk cause of this leg thing and I have been bitchy.  I feel so
much better about myself after a good walk.  I am going to try to
walk today.

Alma
From: tlr@penguins.East.Sun.COM (Tammy Roncadori - Administrator Sun Washington D.C.)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Covert Bailey
Date: 9 Sep 1992 11:00:33 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: tlr@penguins.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: penguins.east.sun.com

Hi Folks --

I just received my NordicTrack products catalog and noted that there were several
items in there from Covert.  Since I know alot of you are avid fans, I'd like to get
your opinions/thoughts on the following since I'm considering ordering.

The New Fit or Fat book		$7.95

Fit or Fat Video (PBS Home Video)	$14.95

The Fit or Fat Target Diet		$7.95

Thanks so much --


Tammy
From: BETTYJ@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Betty Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: vacation from hell
Date: 9 Sep 92 11:56:30 GMT
 <1992Sep9.010001.4932@spdcc.com>
Organization: University of Maine System

I definitely agree with Steve.  So you made a couple of bad choices on your
vacation. That doesn't mean that your whole program is shot.  It just means
that you ate something unplanned.  What's past is past.  Stop berating yourself
and feeling evil, guilty, dumb or whatever.  That's asking for trouble.  Look
at it this way.  You survived a vacation that could have been a total
regression to old habits and patterns with ONLY a couple of problems.  I think
that you deserve MAJOR congratulations!!!  Are you back on track now that it is
over?  If so, I think that you are well on your way to reorganizing your
eating habits.  If not, then let go of the past and deal with the present. The
future hasn't happened yet, so don't worry about it. In dieting, NOW is all
that counts.
And while I'm on my soapbox... ONE bad choice of food is not what put us on
weight loss diets.  It is/was a lifetime of bad choices.  The major problem
with a bad choice during the weight loss or maintenance phase is that it can
trigger a binge.  If it does, then chalk it up to a learning experience,  You
now know that you must avoid that particular food at all costs.  If it doesn't,
then maybe that is something you can enjoy as occasional treat when you have
reached your goal.
Hmmm - maybe we should say NPC - Non Program Correct - instead of bad choice?
8:)
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From: lgold@callahans.Cadence.COM (Lynn Gold)
Subject: Re: How come I don't lose weight?
Organization: /mnt4/lgold/.organization
	<1992Aug19.233239.26709@afit.af.mil> <87804@netnews.upenn.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:20:02 GMT

In article <87804@netnews.upenn.edu> slawe@pobox.upenn.edu (Lauren T. Slawe) writes:

>I just moved back to school.  Got my first kitchen too.  My mother
>went out and bought me tons of food.  What do I do???  I love to cook and
>bake, and I'm already snacking and snacking.  This is going to be one
>bad year.  And after all that teriffic summer dieting and exercising.

>It's going to be hard with studying getting in the way of all that 
>great exercise I've been doing...  Suggestions?  Or any one else 
>in the same boat so that we can give each other mutual motivation?

This is your BIG CHANCE to be POPULAR!

You know all those neat things you're baking?  GIVE 'EM AWAY!

There are few things that'll make you more popular with friends than a
frequent stash of fresh-baked goodies.  Let your friends eat them, let
them tell you what a great cook you are -- THAT way you won't have the
food lying around where YOU can eat it!

Another suggestion:  Unless you're starving, DON'T eat while you're
studying.  Let the studying interfere with your snacking and snacking
instead of interfering with your exercise.

Walk wherever you can.  Start to consider it an inconvenience (and
expensive) to run your car when you don't need to.  Granted, it'll be
harder to do this when winter comes, but do what you can.  Just
remember to cut down your food intake to match your lower exercise
level and you'll be okay.

Good luck!

--Lynn


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From: jnorberg@jaguar.csc.wsu.edu
Subject: Re: Seat Padding: was Re: Bicycle Question
Organization: Washington State University
Date: 10 Sep 92 08:56:53 -0800

In article <26178@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, jane@tortoise.ee.lbl.gov (Jane Colman) writes:
> In article <63620026@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) writes:
>>I noticed that the saddles
>>felt a *lot* better after I lost my weight.  (Guess that's one of
>>the few areas of the body that never gets any fat padding.
>>
> My experience has been entirely to the contrary.  One of the
> ways I can tell I am really getting thinner is that all of a
> sudden seats (all seats, not bicycle saddles) start feeling
> a lot harder.  Probably it has to do with the different places
> in which men and women tend to carry their fat.
> 

Not necessarily!  I've the same problem as you!  Just bought a new bike a 
couple of weeks ago and ended up bruising my bum pretty good after my
first ride.  

And I no longer can sit on the front porch of the house enjoying a warm summer
night like I used to!  Small price to pay I guess!

John

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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Amazed...
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 04:59:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.042559.23729@ddsw1.mcs.com> ospahic@ddsw1.mcs.com (Olga Spahic) writes:
>After spending the past few months getting familiar with Usenet and
>reading all sorts of newsgroups, I happened to stumble upon this one
>a few weeks ago and I am truly amazed at the caliber of people
>that participate...
>There are no insults or flames... EVERYone is so supportive and
>so incredibly nice!!!! =)

:-)  (No snickers, now, and I don't mean candybars!)

>Does anyone have any suggestions on how to motivate oneself?
>Personal stories will do fine... I guess I need some sort
>of encouragement... or something to help me get going...

Well, let me just pass on my own experience.  I have a HELL of
a hard time becoming motivated.  In fact, the only thing which
really seems to motivate me is desperation and dissatisfaction
with my weight of the sickness-unto-death kind.  This is usually
associated with some kind of unpleasant lesson, like a realization
of just how out of shape and physically impaired I had let myself
become, slowly, pound by pound.  Once I hit bottom, it somehow
gets real easy.  I wish there was an easier way! :-)

For example, I'm having great success now on a low-fat diet,
with a moderate weight loss of about 2 lbs a week.  What I'm
eating is incredibly reasonable and sensible, and it's been
as easy now as it was difficult to get started 4.5 months ago.
I don't understand the difference, but I intend to take advantage
of it now!

/Steve

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From: dfw@thumper..bellcore.com (Doris Woods)
Subject: Re: Water weight!?!?
Reply-To: dfw@thumper.UUCP (Doris Woods)
Organization: Bellcore MRE
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 16:21:34 GMT

In article <14845@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> dianeg@bcm.tmc.edu (Diane Ellen Griffiths) writes:
>Hi! Does anyone else have MAJOR problems with water weight? I can gain
>about 3-6 pounds with just water weight and I really do not know what
>causes it.
>
 Details deleted but the same as mine.

>Any ideas on what I can do to solve this problem??
>
>Diane
>

 I would like to know the answer to this one also!!. I have gained as 
mush as 8 lbs in water weight. I hate taking a diuretic.  I have tried
drinking 8 glasses of water a day not only to flush it out but also 
to help lose weight and still this happens. I agree it's very frustrating
and depressing because you do feel so fat!

  Doris



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From: GC.AVW@forsythe.stanford.edu (RAGIN CAJUN)
Subject: Re: Salad fixin's with no fat
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:32:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep07.032903.4523@microsoft.com>,
frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) writes:
>I use balsamic vinegar to dress my salads. I haven't eaten
>salad dressing per se for two-and-a-half years. If balsamic
>isn't available, rice vinegar is a mild and pleasant
>alternative, but fortunately for me our dining rooms all
>have the balsamic in their salad bars.
>
>--

I do, too.  In fact, now that I have been using balsamic vinegar
when I taste salad dressing, any kind, it tastes too sweet for me,
most has sugar in it and I quit sugar almost 3 months ago.

Alma
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: liana@nexus.yorku.ca (Liana Becker)
Subject: Re: Advice wanted on sandwich spreads
Organization: York University, CS Dept. Toronto
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:54:06 GMT

When it comes to what to put on a sandwich I skip the butter or margerine
altogether and use a low fat mayo.  My husband never noticed when he
stopped getting butter and he can't tell the difference between the
low fat or fat free mayo on a sandwich.  Mustard is another good sandwich
spread and I'll sometimes use salsa with turkey.

Liana
From: dianeg@bcm.tmc.edu (Diane Ellen Griffiths)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Water weight!?!?
Date: 15 Sep 1992 12:30:44 GMT

Hi! Does anyone else have MAJOR problems with water weight? I can gain
about 3-6 pounds with just water weight and I really do not know what
is causing it. I do not use salt at all when I cook so that cannot be it,
and it does not always happen at the same times each month. It gets really
frustrating since when I have the water weight (which has been bothering
me for two weeks now) I can't get my rings off, I feel very bloated so I
eat less and I feel so fat! And I hate going to weigh in at WW when I have
water weight since that gain is depressing! I know it is worse when the
humidity is real high which is common in Houston.

Any ideas on what I can do to solve this problem??

Diane

Organization: Senior, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 15:21:45 -0400 
From: Cory Harper Jacques <cj14+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: No Exercise?

My doctor has highly suggested to me that I should cut down my exercise.
Right now I am exercising about 6 times a week. Usually for about an
hour. I have been losing weight a little too quickly for mine and her
piece of mind...(the faster you loss it the faster you gain it back) I
want to give my body(physical and body image) time to catch up with
reality.

But when I think about not exercising I get nervous. I plan to start
scheduling two days a week off - but the days that I do not exercise I
feel...not so hot. So what are some of your suggestions for taking
healthy days OFF from exercise?

Thanks!
Cory

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From: "Amy Young Leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Winning, losing & surviving the battle
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:43:57 -0500

In article <1992Sep10.140038.14882@athena.mit.edu> scotti@mtl.mit.edu (Gretchen Fuller) writes:

>As the song says, "pick yourself up, dust yourself off" -- you're doing
>great.  You WILL make it.  None of us got overweight in a day.  None of 
>us will get back to square one in a day.

Thanks for that reminder!!  =)  

My biggest worry right now in my battle is that I will "go crazy" with
it.  I want to eat and more health-conscious so that I can lose
weight, and also feel better.  

(Rambling monologue time)

I am going to try, this time, to divorce myself from the scale.  To
not step on the scale every other day.  Or, as I tend to move to,
every day, and most certainly not after every time I eat, as I have
done before.  It just won't work that way.  

To make a gentle compromise between free will and health.  I WANT to
eat everything in sight, but I don't want the effects that action will
lead to any more.  One has to win out sooner or later.  My problem is
with food... not self esteem, not anything else, but just food.  I
eat for many reasons other than I'm hungry and I need the energy I get
from eating.  And that has to stop, at least to some degree.  As I've
shown myself, there's nothing wrong with going to Chi Chi's and having
a chicken El Paso platter now and then, if all I've had that day is a
lettuce only salad and a piece of fruit.  But I can't do that every
day, or every meal.  

Ok, I've said my piece.  =)

amy
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From: alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Amy Young Leith)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Maintenance  (was Re: Book, "Thin So Fast")
Date: 5 Sep 92 03:17:00 GMT
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington

In article <1992Aug29.050817.8254@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>Boy, this volume eating stuff is really pretty amazing to read about.
>Doesn't your (virtual) stomach get smaller as you stay on a diet and
>lose weight?  I've lost about 45 pounds in the last 4 months eating

I experience this frequently, for I always resolve to get things
together... and for a time I eat much less, and lighter, and within a
week or so, realize that I *can't* eat as much as I used to.  I feel
grossly uncomfortable if I even approach the size portions I would
have normally eaten.  

Then the next mental tragedy comes and I've eaten the whole
refridgerator and am back where I started. 

>and eating-for-recreation; that is, not just when cueued by hunger.

There are times when I can't *remember* the last time I honestly felt
*hungry*.  The above is probably my "main" problem.

>Anyway, both of your stories are really inspirational, even with
>4 cups of zucchini at a meal.

Most definitely. 

amy
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From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:17:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Advice wanted on sandwich spreads
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

I decided to "give up" margarine a long time ago and usually use
a tablespoon of mustard for one of my lettuce and turkey sandwiches.
I keep a tub of Shedd's margarine for occasional use, but it seems
to last about 6 months or so.

with respect to which is "better", both butter and margarine contain
saturated fat.  some margarines are a little less bad, perhaps...

On the rare occasions that I want a non-mustard sandwich spread, I'll
get some Kraft Free mayonaise.  It's made with the usual fat substitutes,
and it's pretty low in calories (I think it clocks in at 16 cal/Tablespoon,
versus 100/T for butter/margarine/regular mayo.)

Last year I had an excess of ketchup (bought a big bottle, then discovered
I didn't like hamburgers anymore), so I made a mix of ketchup/ground
mustard seed/vinegar packed horseradish.  It was a bit fiery (I *like*
my horseradish, but this was absurd), but a little more ketchup got
things under control.

Pete Brooks

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Re: Winning, losing & surviving the battle
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 14:35:46 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <63620035@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) writes:
>Yeah, I know temptation...
>
>I try (usually successfully, though getting Cool whip out of the diet
>is promising to be a challenge) to "not see" the foods that I know I 
>shouldn't eat.  It's really tough, with the supermarkets putting
>those really attractive displays of highfat/high calorie/high profit
>foods right along with the better stuff .  (My personal favorite is
>the display of chocolate along with the fruits...)


Pete brings up a good point! Shop at a fruit stand or organic produce
store!

We don't do our shopping at stores that have a lot of the "treats" I
might swoon over! I shop at an organic produce store. It displays
organic fruits and vegetables far more attractively than the
supermarkets display their wares, it focuses on the things I am trying
to focus on and it has few of the things I avoid!

Here in the Bay Area we have these gorgeous" fruit" stands, they also
carry breads,bulk foods (grains, pastas,etc), milk, some fat free
cookies and a few other staple-type items. This makes shopping a real
pleasure! I only go to the grocery store for equal!(or diet Coke if I
am feeling celebratory!)

I like this,too, because it is environmentally more sound! A lot of
the produce is more local, the foods are not as heavily packaged and I
don't use plastic bags for anything that you don't absolutely need
them for.

For me. this has made it easier for me to really enjoy fruits and
vegetables more. Hope it helps you,too!

rf
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: scotti@mtl.mit.edu (Gretchen Fuller)
Subject: Re: Winning, losing & surviving the battle
Organization: MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratories
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:00:38 GMT

Hi, Tom --

You won the battle, I lost it.  It was SO hot and muggy (excuse 1) and
I was SO tired (excuse 2).  And the food looked SO good (excuse 3).

So what did I do, overate.  The wrong stuff.  So TODAY I'm being extra
good -- yogurt (fat free, sugar free) for breakfast, salad for lunch,
and I haven't figured out supper yet.

We all have days like that.  And sometimes, I think, it's better to give
in to 1 temptation (but pick only 1) than to drive yourself and Hope 
completely nuts.

If you opt for a hamburger, make it the best one you can (if you're
gonna cheat, make it worth the effort).  Actually, what I've done when
I really, really want a hamburger is make a chicken burger and spice
the living daylights out of it.  Then I have a variety of fries that
are not super fat-laden by nuking the potatoes and then browning them
in a non-stick skillet and raiding the spice rack.

As the song says, "pick yourself up, dust yourself off" -- you're doing
great.  You WILL make it.  None of us got overweight in a day.  None of 
us will get back to square one in a day.

Scotti

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