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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Beverly heats up... *POSSIBLE SPOILERS*
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 03:27:10 GMT

Just saw Chain of Command, Part I tonight ...



ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marius) writes:
>
>In the episode "Menage a Troi" (where Ferengi kidnap Troi and her mom to
>use as concubines), Lwaxana attempts to seduce the Daimon by stroking his
>ears (highly erogenous zones in the species, according to the Daimon) and
>stimulating what the Ferengi call 'umaats' (read: hard-on or similar).
>
>It is my sincere belief that Beverly's induction of umaats in the Ferengi

Not only that ... what about the *clothes* she was wearing?!?!?!?
She was covered from toe to neck ... Daimon Solok was howling!!

(* ref. the episode about the Keeper of the Gate, and the Ferengi
away team started falling all over themselves 'cos Tasha was in a
uniform ...)

gld
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From: abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick)
Subject: Re: Cardassians first appearance on STTNG? (possible *SPOILERS*!!)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 02:51:39 GMT

In <85290017@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes:

>Enough of this.  Bring back Capt. Maxwell and give him the big E.  Then we'll
>watch him kick some ass and see if the Cardasians still want to screw with
>the federation! 

No, you want REAL action. Have the Big E go back in time and get Commodore
Decker just after the Doomsday machine attacked his ship!

Alan

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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: What do you mean the new Capt. is mean??? (Spoilers)
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:21:04 GMT

Mike Monahan writes
> 	Obviously mean.  Like actually making LaForge work[...]

No, like giving LaForge orders to do tons of work and no time in which  
to do it.  LaForge has been in situations where he had to do something  
on a large-scale very quickly, however this time he expressed a need  
for more time (in a conversation while walking down the hall with  
Riker).  Expecting what Jelico expected from LaForge (and according to  
Riker, all other parts of the ship) isn't bad, but time to execute the  
captain's orders is something that should be considered necessary just  
as executing the orders properly and completely is necessary.

> ass kicking warship that it should have been in the first place.

Their primary mission is not to be an ass kicking warship, it's to  
research the unknown.  Should they be called upon or come into a  
battle, they should fight.  They have obviously got what it takes to  
survive or else they wouldn't be here now.  The Borg are more match  
than Jelico could ever order on a day when he is mad at the crew.   
However, since Troi's mention that he isn't confident in his own  
actions, the doubt of how far that uncertainty extends is something  
worth considering (will he just show himself to be a flash in the pan  
who can't make decisions in the heat of battle?).

Although while we're talking about Jelico's actions, I did like that he  
made Troi wear a uniform.  Getting her to perform like a crew member is  
long overdue and there's no reason that she should get special  
treatment because she shows off her breasts.  Jelico's uniform order  
also helps to put a big dent in a lot of people's reasoning as to why  
she didn't wear one.  I hope Jelico doesn't get stung too badly by all  
his tough actions (you know he's gonna get stung somewhere; they never  
let one of Troi's empathic observations go without showing that she was  
right).

But, overall, I think the crew was getting too confident.  It seemed to  
be like the Enterprise was coming across tasks that were too much like  
previous tasks they had done.  That post about the 3 or 4 plot lines of  
ST:TNG kept coming up in my mind and making me think this show was  
becoming a waste of time.  These and other reasons led me to believe  
that there wouldn't be another season of this ahead.  Then Jelico came  
along and whipped them into shape.  I think this next episode should be  
good.
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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: ST: VII - Horror of horrors (depending on your view...)
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:10:58 GMT

In article <BzCuxu.LLC@monitor.com> howard@monitor.com (Howard Brenner) writes:
>A friend is spreading a rumor to me that I'm wondering if anoyone can  
>confirm.  According to him Paramount does not like to end series on an odd  
>number, so a ST:VIII is almost a given.  Is this a true Paramountism?

Waitaminnit! There hasn't even been a VII yet, and already you're talking about
an VIII? Will the nightmare ever end?!?!?!?

But seriously, I doubt this is company policy. It would preclude Trilogies.


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Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 1992 20:05:47 EST
From: Nicholas C. Hester <IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: do we need rec.arts.startrek.dsn?

In article <gp2001-151292181733@m248-106.bgsu.edu>, gp2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Greg
Pallenik) says:
>
>This newsgroup is becomminh cluttered with discussion of Deep Space Nine.
>I'm not complaining, but IMHO I think a separate group will be needed to
>keep things organized.  Does anyone else agree or disagree?

This group is being cluttered period.  That includes this posting.
Unfortunately, this is where the discussion is.  Perhaps a moderator...?
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From: dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung)
Subject: Where are they now? (was Re: 7th season ?)
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:47:25 GMT

ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:
>
>>An interesting question would be, "Will Paramount
>>continue to make the series if any one actor splits?"  I hope
>>not.  If that happens, they should just quit and start making
>>movies.
>
>The answer, of course, is "yes."  Denise Crosby (Tasha Yar) "split"

[...]

>I don't see why the departure of one actor should mean the end
>of the series.  In the real navies, most officers don't serve on
>a ship for seven years.  Transfers and promotions are to be expected.
>One of the unrealistic aspects of the Star Trek movies is that you
>have officers still working as helmsmen, communications officers,
>etc. after 20 years.  By rank and experience, these people should
>be commanding their own ships.

Uh, I don't know if they all would have gone on to ship commands.

Sulu would certainly go on.  Chekov was clearly in line for command
of the Reliant.

Realistically, I wonder where someone like Uhura or Montgomery Scott
would be working.  Would all the crew be Statfleet "Lifers"?  I think
even one or two of our favorites might gladly take the equivalent
of a pension retirement at 40.... or whatever age Starfleet starts
offering pensions.

Some might be promoted to Starfleet Admiralty positions.  Perhaps
Scott would be some kind of Hyman Rickover.  

McCoy might run some Starfleet office of alien medicine.

And Spock, despite his science background, clearly grew as a character
into someone for whom diplomacy (a la daddy Sarek) was second nature.
Viz. STVI and "Reunification".

Anyone up for a round of speculation?

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From: jvogel@math.rutgers.edu (jeff vogel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Every Good Boy Deserves Favor?
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:09:04 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Every Good Boy Deserves Favor is an excellent (though highly difficult to
to produce) play by Tom Stoppard, involving a small company of actors and
an orchestra. It's about two men in a Czech (I belive) mental hospital,
one there for political reasons, the other insane (the orchestra is in his
head).

					- Jeff Vogel
					Rutgers Math
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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: Alert in transporter beam?
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:33:42 GMT

aaronm@ccmail.orst.edu (Mithran Aaron) writes:


>If people are unconscious in the matter stream, then there would have been 
>no way for Worf and the security team to find the people from the science 
>vessel.

who says they're unconscious? 
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:05:58 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <78344@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge A. Diaz) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.174847.26665@u.washington.edu> gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:
>>	Ever hear of rising above your material?
>>	Try WE SHALL ALWAYS HAVE PARIS, etc.
>>	Actors frequently outshine their material, and Stewart has done
>>this quite a bit. If he wants to leave, all the best to him....

>Yeah, so, other than "We'll Always Have Paris", what else?  Give me some
>examples.

>As for WAHP, I guess I'll have to go back and watch it.  I saw that episode
>once, about 1 1/2 years ago, and I found it, uh, uninspired.

Well, I think "The Measure Of A Man" is a strong example of good acting rising
above a mediocre story.  (I certainly wouldn't watch that episode for the
neanderthal PLOT.)

However, I disagree that "We'll Always Have Paris" is such an episode.

Overall, I think that you can't get blood from a turnip, meaning if the story
is mediocre, even with stellar acting you're still going to get a mediocre
episode.  (And yes, I think "The Measure Of A Man" is a mediocre episode.)
This may be fine if you're a connisseur of acting, but I usually find that a
stellar story and average acting goes much further for me than stellar acting
and an average story.

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University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
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From: ac999239@umbc8.umbc.edu (ac999239)
Subject: Newsgroups
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:16:34 GMT

Well...More newsgroups is not always better, but in the case of startrek I
think that having more choices would encourage less cross posting since one
particular group will be specifically suited to the topic at hand.
From: hem@col400.col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:07:11 GMT
	<1992Dec14.103941.14075@gdr.bath.ac.uk>
	<ewright.724462662@convex.convex.com>
Reply-To: H_Markowitz@att.com
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Originator: news@cbnewsf.cb.att.com

In article <ewright.724462662@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:

   In <1992Dec14.103941.14075@gdr.bath.ac.uk> ccspjs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Pete J Suters) writes:

   >  Personally, though, I would prefer to see the new captain of
   >the Enterprise to be non-human.  I can't think of any instances
   >where Starfleet captains haven't been human (mostly male, and
   >always with American accents! :-)  )

   Picard has an American accent????

Remember the episode where Starfleet was infiltrated by the alien
parasites.  One of the captains of the three ships that met with Picard
secretly was non-human.

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From: umoster0@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Sean K. Ostermann)
Subject: Re: stewart on leno's show
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:50:55 GMT

You should come to the 1994 World Science Fiction Convention here in
Winnipeg.  I am sure that some of the Star Trek actors should be here.  I
hope so, I am planning on working at the convention (as long as it doesn't
get in the way of school!)

Sean
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Computer Engineering
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From: 00rdharringt@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Rob Harrington)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: How to improve Star Trek
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:00:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ball State University

In article <1992Dec17.233822.16000@phx.mcd.mot.com>, rolandb@phx.mcd.mot.com (roland blackwell) writes:
> I believe one great way to improve the quality of Star Trek is to
> better define the talents of the bridge crew. Only once has the 
> helmsman (Sulu) talents been needed. This was in STV. I really don't
> believe the bridge crew are given scenerios that require their talents.
> Too many times a bridge member is on break or something and a bridge
> flunkie has replaced him/her and they fill in with no problem.  Even in time
> of emergencies, the bridge flunkie has only once been a little unsure of 
> him/her self (Schisms).  But we didn't get to see Riker show her how it's
> supposed to be done either. It appears that bridge crew talents are required
> everywhere except at their post.  In 'Booby trap' the captain took over the
> helm when a skilled helmsman was needed.  I would of thought the captain to be 
> a little rusty to trust with such a delicate task at the helm.  We all know
> Sulu wouldn't have been ask to step aside in that instance.  It seems that
> the main talents the bridge crew has is the ability to beam somewhere and
> beam BACK!! The bridge flunkies have not mastered this duty. Although, they
> are getting better at it.  Perhaps the academy(Paramount) has gotten feedback
> on this, and beeft-up their beam back training program.  Are we not all too
> familiar with this: 

unfortunately in TOS we were led to believe that the Bridge crew works 
24 hours a day.  As seen in CoC I, the Enterprise had three 8 hour 
rotations, which Jellico changed to four 6 hour.  They can't always be
at their station.  Would you work 24hours a day? of course not.  This
is their job and they happen to have normal work days.  Some work the
morning shift and some work the day shift.  I would be nice to assume
that everyone is proficient at their assigned duties, not just the 
stars of the show...

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From: helene@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Helene Blankespoor)
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:36:28 GMT

In article <rawdon.724652812@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>In <168C01AFA.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>>In article <rawdon.724529836@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>>>In <HEM.92Dec16120711@col400.col400.att.com> hem@col400.col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz) writes:
>>>>   >  Personally, though, I would prefer to see the new captain of
>>>>   >the Enterprise to be non-human.  I can't think of any instances
>>>>   >where Starfleet captains haven't been human (mostly male, and
>>>>   >always with American accents! :-)  )
>
>>>>Remember the episode where Starfleet was infiltrated by the alien
>>>>parasites.  One of the captains of the three ships that met with Picard
>>>>secretly was non-human.
>
>>>Another in that episode was a black female.
>
>>>Then there was the USS Intrepid in Classic Star Trek, which had an all-Vulcan
>>>crew, including (one presumes) a Vulcan captain.
>>>Spock was captain of the Enterprise at the start of Star Trek II.
>>>The captain of the Enterprise 1701-C in "Yesterday's Enterprise" was female.
>>>The captain of the Saratoga in Star Trek IV was female (and black, if I
>>>recall correctly).
>
>>   So females and blacks are non-human?  :)
>
>No, but females are non-male, and the criteria listed above were "human, male
>and with an American accent".
>
>>   Adding to the list of "minority" captains:
>
>>   Terrell in Trek II was black;
>>   An Indian captain in Trek IV;
>>   Wasn't the captain of USS Yamata in "Contagion" black?
>>    ...and  WHY THE HELL HASN'T ANYBODY BROUGHT THIS ONE UP?  Sulu!!!!
>
>No one brought it up because the criteria didn't include "white", only "human,
>male, and with an American accent".
>
>>   Also, FYI, in Trek I, the C-in-C of Starfleet (not seen but mentionned)
>>was Nogura, most likely a Japanese;
>>   In Trek III, Adm. Morrow (who I believe was C-in-C, re: "Jim, you're the
>>best officer I got!) was black;
>>   In Trek V, the C-in-C was (probably) Jewish, since he was played by Harve
>>Bennett.

If I remember correctly the captain of the USS Saratoga in STIV was a black 
female.

Helene.

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From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E  II
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:32:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.084122.9439@iscsvax.uni.edu> hodge3726@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>You're all really missing the point here.  Yes, I know there was a female
>captain of the C and she sacrificed herself to fight some Romulans so the
>E could escape.  I'm not saying a woman wouldn't work leading the enterprise in
>their time I'm saying it wouldn't work in our time.  As much as we want to
>admit we are a kinder gentler viewing audience we still enjoy the macho image
>of the SHIPS CAPTAIN.

	Speak for yourself, white boy.

-- 
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Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Show Us the Enterprise-B and E!
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 22:18:02 GMT


There have been a lot of posts speculating about where the next
movies and seasons of Star Trek and Star Trek: The Next Generation
will go.  I think that they should show us the newer versions of
the Enterprise!

For example, how about Star Trek VII?  Let's have Chekhov get his 
first command.  Like Sulu's, it would be an Excelsior-Class, the
Federation's newest ship-of-the-line, and it would be called the
Enterprise-B!  It's probably not feasible, though...they'd probably
have to destroy or retire the Enterprise-A first...

And in the 8th, 9th, or 10th season of Star Trek (whenever Patrick
Stewart leaves), let Picard be promoted to Admiral and assigned com-
mand of the newest Starfleet flagship, for its shakedown cruise--
the NCC-1701E, the newest Enterprise!  The only problem I can see
with this is the one above...

Hmmm, maybe this would be better suited for the first NextGen movie,
set twenty years or so after the original commisionning of the En-
terprise-D.  It's an interesting idea...

Right now, I think, they should pay some attention to upgrading the 
standard gadgets used in the show.  They've had the same tricorders 
now for, what, 7 years?

Just some random thoughts...

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From: HADCUJEK@admin.uh.edu (Julia E. Kosatka)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: CoC I - Spoilers & Spec on CoC II
Date: 20 Dec 1992 06:43:48 GMT
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Opinions and speculation below.

It has been said that sending Picard & Co. on this mission is, well, stupid.
I tend to agree (maybe there wasn't time to get Special Forces people out 
there in time - could be a throwaway line on the cutting room floor [pun 
intended] :-)).  On the other hand, getting Picard off the Big-E (and out of
the picture) plus putting Ol' Blood and Guts Jellico in command is *brillant*
*if* Vice Admiral Whats-her-name wants to *start* a war with the Cardassians.
The Cardassians have set up a plot to capture Picard (for reasons unknown
at the moment).  Picard is quite capable of dealing with the Cardassians and
avoiding armed conflict if he is allowed to negotiate.  Since the Fed doesn't
start wars (where have we heard *that* before) Vice Admiral Whosit, figures
out a way to 'convince' the Cardassians to do it for her.  Take one of your
best negotiators out and shoot him (figuratively speaking).  Put someone in
his place who follows the Adolph Hitler school of diplomacy ("Invade Poland?
Me?  No, no, no, you misunderstand I 'annexed' Poland") and let nature take
it's course.  What will be interesting is to see how far up these hawkish 
tendencies go.

I've been reading everyone's comments on Jellico as captain.  Some I agree
with, some I don't, but I have a comment of my own to add.  Did anyone else
notice that he hasn't used any of his subordinates titles when he speaks to
them?  (Maybe once, I didn't tape it so I can't go back and check).  He was
immediatly on a first name basis.  Now, perhaps this is an effort to soften
his rather abrasive style, but it comes across (at least to me) as a blatant
lack of respect (both personal and professional) for his subordinates.

IMHO, I think he's going to self-destruct in CoC II.

Can't wait to see CoC II -- David Warner is a delightfully evil villian.  The
Warner/Stewart scenes should incredible!

For those of you who got to see the promos - I'm envious.  KHTV (damn their
black hearts) didn't show them.  The promo couldn't have been *so* intense
that they were afraid of offending someone without a disclaimer!

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