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From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Date: 22 Jan 1993 23:08:41 -0500
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, NJ, USA
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In article <1993Jan11.200136.16645@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) wrote: 
>->Has SF considered adopting the national theme or is the Center Of The
>->Gay Universe afraid that associating with a national organization might
>->weaken their strong-hold on gayness and encourage the myth that if
>->you're not in SF you're not really gay?
>
>you sound jealous.

No, just sick of the attitude.

sick of... all the porn flicks that have a subplot where the main
charactor can suck cock all he wants, but isn't truly happy until he
leaves his small home-town and finds his way to SF for Real Gay Sex(tm)
since only you have to live there to be a Real Gay Person(tm).

sick of... the fact that NYC and SF don't have as many of the MOW93
demands as where I live, but people flock there instead.

sick of... the media ignoring positive news from outside the Center
Of The Gay Universe.

sick of... the media emphasizing negative news from outside the Center
Of The Gay Universe.

sick of... The Advocate gloating about how many east-coast gay magazines
it's put out of business.

sick of... The Advocate made a cover story out California's AB101 FAILED
but not even giving a byline when CT, NJ, and VT SUCCESSFULLY passed
bills.

sick of... People considering A2601 a victory, when the protections
it gives are minimal... just because it's a feel-good story for SF'ers.

sick of... the way the NGLTF refuses to deal with or help small states
like New Jersey until they are doing so well that the TF can ride the
wave at no expense and look really good.

sick of... the way Lambda Legal refuses cases from people in D.C.
(another place where "Real Homosexuals"(tm) couldn't possibly exist)
and other places until the people take their case to the press and the
press starts calling LL to ask why they aren't involved (at which time
they claim to be involved and [with great distain] give a piddly
amount of help to the case).

sick of... the fact that everytime I mention that many people from SF
and NYC have "superior attitudes" I get flamed for being jealous.

I've never been to SF.  I go to NYC only when I can't escape the
commitment.

Jealous?  Me?  Never.  Not me.

Tom

P.S.  Ok, my New Years resolution was to be more diplomatic on the net
and with posts like this, I'm sure to get coal in my stocking.  Oh
well.
-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@plts.uucp (home) -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work)
Heros falling to the ground / like hell's magnet / pulls me down / on my knees
/ I try to please his eyes / his idol eyes. / Jerking motions won't revive him
/ mouth to mount resusitation / I just lay down beside him / and idolize.
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From: dbailey@cix.compulink.co.uk (Diane Bailey)
Subject: Re: Conflict on Clinton Order Story
Reply-To: dbailey@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 05:41 GMT
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TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tracey McCartney) writes:
> Congressqueer Barney Frank's niece is good friend of mine, and
> she told me yesterday that Frank was getting faxes at his office
> on Inauguration Day from the Clinton people about the policy --
> one read, "The question (of sexual orientation) will not be
> asked." She said he probably leaked a lot of that stuff to the
> press. I hope that sheds a little light on the situation...

Actually I confuses me a little.  Could you expand a bit?

Why was he getting lots of faxes from the Clinton people about
the policy, and especially why would one read "The question (of
sexual orientation) will not be asked."?  Was that an assertion,
or an instruction?  I'm not sure why they would feel able to
assert what the press would ask, unless they had briefed the
press in some other manner.

And if "he (Barney Frank) probably leaked a lot of that stuff to
the press", does that mean it's based on inside information that
is true, or speculation / ground preparation that might be
untrue?

Diane
dbailey@cix.compulink.co.uk
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Are Gay Men Richer, Really?
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:49:26 GMT

In article <C1IuA7.97H@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>
>And here I thought he was doing it deliberately.  Ah, where do the
>illusions go?
>
>Here, Ry, have an eclair.
>

Oh, I am, just not deliberately.  well sort of. :-).  Thanks for the
yearly tithe, Cobra Woman!

Ry
ry@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Wil Wheaton at MacWorld!!!!!
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 18:29:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.014213.16299@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com
(Steve Dyer) writes:

>In article
><1993Jan20.233202.25963@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
>as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Scorpii) writes:

>>>Learn some manners, twit.

>>From what I've read so far, manners seem to be sorely lacking on this
>>newsgroup.  And the term "twit" doesn't appear in any etiquette handbook of
>>Polite Forms of Address I'VE ever read.

>That's known as twit for tat.

Tee hee.  This started me cackling ...

>>For the record, the day I find Cmdr. Riker attractive is the day they put me
>>in a padded cell.

>Make it so.

... and this put me on the floor.  You have my vote for Best
Come-Back in the One-Two Punch category for 1993 so far.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
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From: TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tracey McCartney)
Subject: Re: Death by cunnilingus!
Organization: Home of the @&#^%$* Crimson Tide
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:23:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.030853.4689@Princeton.EDU>
spencer@der.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun) writes:
 
>--- begin excerpt ---
>
>Can blowing air into the vagina during oral sex really cause an air
>embolism and sudden death, as per _Joy of Sex_?   -- Francine M.,
>Chicago
>
 
A: Yeah, but what a way to go...
 
Tracey
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo)
Subject: NYC Conference on Oregon & Colorado
Organization: New York University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:54:55 GMT


I saw a notice glued to a lamppost yesterday about an all day conference 
this Saturday (1/25) at The Center on Oregon, Colorado and the 
fundamentalists.  I can't remember all the details but one of the guest 
speakers was someone from No on 9.  

Does any NYC motsser know more about this conference and is anyone planning 
to go?

Emily (undecided on attending)
From: rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gays in Military: Powell's phone number
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:24:06 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: New York University

In article <MJT.93Jan26101028@world.std.com> mjt@world.std.com (Mitch J Trachtenberg) writes:
>The New York Times today reported that the Pentagon had received
>about 20 calls against the ban on gays in the military, 600 for.

>The phone number for General Powell's office at the Pentagon
>is 703 697-9121, and the Pentagon switchboard is 703 545 6700.

Wrong!!!  The phone number you want to call to register your opinion
with the Pentagon Public Affairs Bureau is 703-697-5737 -- this is the 
office which is keeping the tally.  

I first called the 9121 number and it was very clear that whoever answered 
the phone was simply being polite and wasn't counting.  I got this second, 
correct number from the Pentagon switchboard.

Emily
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jhansen@convex.com (James Hansen)
Subject: Re: YAZZ
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:33:55 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1993Jan21.025941.20258@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mscarce@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael Scarce) writes:

>O.K., here goes.........
>Vincent Clarke and Alison Moyet formed a synth-pop duo in the early 80's.  In 
>Europe they were first known as YAZZOO, and later, when they became more 
>popular, they called themselves just YAZ. They had two albums.

Here's the rumor I heard...

VC and AM had to change the duo's name from Yazzoo to Yaz because of
potential trade mark conflict with the Yazzoo lawnmower company.

--
James B. Hansen                                  {sun,uunet}!convex!jhansen
CONVEX Computer Corporation                              jhansen@convex.com
3000 Waterview Parkway, P. O. Box 833851
Richardson, TX 75083-3851                              Phone: (214)497-4802
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From: gsmith@clio.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: Finally!!!
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 13:49:38 GMT

In article <53-JNEWS-2.1@wonky.UUCP> ailsa@wonky.UUCP (Ailsa N.T.
Murphy) writes:

>well, my first political memory is of nixon resigning.  

My first political memory is seeing a plane sky-writing.  I asked my
sister, who was in the first grade, what it said.  It said "I like
Ike".  From this and the fact that everyone's parents but mine were
for Eisenhower, I concluded he would win.  Polling in
Kindergarten--could this technique prove useful?

-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Soc.motss Reorganization - VOTING BEGINS!
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 13:00:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.223442.10296@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu
(Nelson Minar) writes:

>This vote means nothing beyond being a straw poll. Is the intention
>that after the results of this poll are in, someone launches an RFD
>proposing whatever had the plurality of votes here?

Yes, Kevin will do that, on this timetable:

12/23/92-1/24/93 : Proposal submissions to exukev@exu.ericsson.se
1/25/93          : Proposal summary will be posted to the net
1/25/93-2/7/93   : Voting on proposals will commence
2/8/93           : Results of vote will be posted
2/8/93           : Call For Discussion posted around the net

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Blatant birthday information! : -)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:18:48 GMT

ailsa@wonky.UUCP (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:

>In article <thaaang.727990262@cwis>, thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:

>> (titter) Flatterer! I'll get to *you* as soon as I'm done with Jess.
>>
>aren't you rather assuming here?  what is to say that once you are done
>with jess you will have the ENERGY?  B)

Are you CHALLENGING me? Oh dear, I may have to fuck 'em all just to
preserve my sense of honor...

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico
      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Cold Coffee (was Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 22:13:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.092124.17926@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu
(Nelson Minar) writes:

>Perfectly friend spring rolls, [...]

Isn't that nice?  I like the food and the food likes me.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: an6245@anon.penet.fi (Nobody in particular...)
Subject: MOTSS-Oriented Music, Part II
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.motss
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:51:15 GMT

In my earlier post asking about MOTSS-oriented music, I didn't specify
very clearly what I meant by "MOTSS-oriented."

Specifically, what I'm looking for are songs which contain lyrics that are
obviously MOTSS-oriented.  Songs by artists who are rumored to be gay,
especially if that rumor is only in the "homosexual community" (I use 
that phrase because I don't know of any other), are not really what
I'm looking for.

The examples I posted earlier ("Hideaway" and "Gimme, Gimme, Gimme") are
good examples.  Elton John's "The Last Song" qualifies, though not as 
well.

Thanks again in advance.
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:38:42 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>I'll be glad to give you a definitive answer to that.  Iced
>tea is a cool, refreshing drink on a summer day.  Cold
>coffee is an abomination in any season, day or night.  See,
>wasn't that simple?

George! 'Zat you?

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico
      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
	  S7/9 g++l+(+)y++z++/--(++!!!)o+(+)x+a++uv(++)j+
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: carlson@ab24.larc.nasa.gov (Ann Carlson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Best Response? (Was Tips for coming out to friends?)
Date: 28 Jan 1993 13:52:38 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ab24.larc.nasa.gov

All these positive responses are really great.  But it's also got
me thinking again about the most disturbing experience I've had
when someone came out to me.  

A friend was looking really down in the dumps one day and I asked
him what was wrong.  He told me that he'd just ended a long-term
romantic relationship and was having problems adjusting to life
without *him*.  Then he realized that he'd used a masculine pronoun
for his lover unintentionally, and a look of terrible fear and 
panic crossed his face.  I felt helpless and didn't know what to do
but put my arms around him and hold him until he recovered his 
composure.  I guess that was the right thing to do, 'cause he was
able to talk a lot more openly and honestly with me after that.
But, I've never been able to get the picture of his naked fear out
of my mind.  Whatever it is about society which can make a person
feel like he has to hide that deeply within himself has got to go...
-- 



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*MS 366                                         *         o  _///_ //
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From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Any word on military ban yet?
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:16:52 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

Typically Melinda:

>If we want to go with the honeymoon metaphor, I'll add that
>it takes two to make a marriage or honeymoon successful.
>I've said it before and I do believe that Clinton's
>election represents the beginning of our work - the goal
>wasn't to get the man elected so that he can fix all our
>problems.  He can't.  What his election means to me is that
>our position is no longer hopeless:  we have someone who
>appears willing to listen to us, where before we didn't.
>*Now* is the time to hunker down and get to work, whether
>that work is political action through mainstream glb
>organizations, agitation through QN, ACT-UP, etc., or
>individual letter-writing campaigns.

>I'm flexing my fingers and warming up my word processor -
>at last there's hope at the national level.

E-x-a-c-t-l-y.  Read it over and over, until you understand it.  Brava!
-- 
a flying squirrel is richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

"Thoughts arrive like butterflies."
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:23:00 GMT

In article <1jngoi$pee@agate.berkeley.edu> mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd) writes:

>So I make my own tea in the US, and my own coffee in the UK.

Does that imply that you partake of non-homebrew coffee on this side
of the pond?  Brave one.  I don't much anymore -- muddy water.  (I
think sometimes that I ought have been born in Germany, or possibly
Italy.)

>Mike, who prays he gets a job soon so he can afford a coffee machine in
>his new apartment

I don't think much of it, m'self.  I'm quite happy with a cone and a
hot pot.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Label Not the Issues
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 08:47:37 GMT


In article <18436@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen
Rowley) writes:

Owen:

]>>I happen to believe that the politics of the left has used
]>>us the way the bigots use us.  the left does not respect us,
]>>we are a commodity group which they can count on for votes
]>>and figure they never have to deliver the goods to, because
]>>of who we are.

Me:

]>I'd be wary of making too broad a generalization there.  To

]I know you would, because you still maintain faith and hope
]in leftist ideals.  I make the statements I do, because I
]have abandoned any hope or faith I once had in those
]paradigms.

]>be sure, some parts of the traditional left are densely
]>populated with fascists in liberal clothing, but blanket
]>rejection of everything we might call left is not what I
]>think we need to do.  Rather, we need to work out a solid
]>foundation of ethical social and political principles by
]>which both we and the majority society can live together
]>harmoniously.  To a great degree, I think, this will mean
]>discarding the traditional labels like left/right,
]>liberal/conservative, and so forth.

]Pardon me Jess, but as a Libertarian who has taken much
]abuse from you and others here, this statement has a funny
]ring to it.

You're forgiven, but let's stick to the point and dispense
with your accusations and feigned surprise.  You may count
on my continued challenges to your libertarian cant, but
let's try to keep the dialog in terms of issues,
specifically the ones I raised here, the inadequacy of
doctinaire approaches to social and political ethics.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Clue phone for William J. Clinton
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:46:24 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <C1Gxw0.8Ct@acsu.buffalo.edu>, viejones@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
(Michael A. Jones) wrote:

> 	Do you have lines for all 535 members of Congress too?  Give Bill
> a break and call your Congresspeople!

This is excellent advice.  Clinton is not the problem.  As has
been reported at least once in widely-read newspapers - if 
Congress decides it doesn't like the Executive Order, Congress
may overturn it.  And Congress looks damn willing to do so.
So the Political Queens should quit bitching at the President
(gasp - defending a Democrat...  ohh, ick, yuck, pitoie) - and
turn instead towards that bloated, corrupt, incompetent body
that, God save us, actually *creates* the Law.

*X*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Pro-Queer violence
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 21:40:59 GMT


In article <1993Jan19.224047.23735@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu
(Nelson Minar) writes:

>I've been asking myself "why don't we have national queer
>leaders like Martin Luther King or Malcolm X?" I think I
>understand better now why we don't have a Malcolm X.  We're
>not that bad off.  Conditions are not harsh enough for
>average gay and lesbian Americans to spark off resistance on
>that scale.

You make some good points.  It seems to me that another
contributing factor is that within limits, being closeted
works; you can get by, in most cases.  And if there's
substance to the widely-held belief that at least white
males among the LGB clan are realtively well off
financially, that would further support your contention.

I have no way of knowing, but yet another factor mitigating
against pro-LGB activism is that probably something like 2/3
of our people are in the closet and of them maybe half
deeply so.  Even if we had dynamic national leadership
figures, these closeted elements might not give much
support.

>There won't be a queer army any time soon.  This isn't all
>bad.  We are winning through political means.

Nice as it would be for that to be true, and though I'm
generally a fairly optimistic person, I'm not that sure
we're winning much or that we'll continue to do so.

I think there's an actual civil war brewing.  The goal of
the religious right is not just to suppress LGB people.
It's to completely take over the United States, to make it a
Christian (in their perverted sense), fascist country.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
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