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From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
Subject: Re: Pushkin Dueling Libertarians
Organization: The University of Tennessee, Knoxville
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 03:09:39 GMT

In article <17ro3fINNrvm@news.aero.org>
foy@aero.org (Richard Foy) writes:

>
>The famous Russian poet Pushkin was the subject of an article in the
>Sept. 92 National Geographic. Two items are of interest.

[...]

>The other aspect of Pushkin raises a question for the libertarians.
>He was a libertine. However he objected to anyone paying too much
>attention to his wife. As a result he died of a dueling wound. My
>question is would libertarians allow dueling? If not why not?

     I certainly don't see any real objection to dueling in the
general libertarian attitude.  I would, however, suggest that, even
under a fairly libertarian government, the parties would have to go
and let the authorities know they were going to be shooting/swinging
swords/throwing pies at each other, and sign appropriate liability
waivers, if for no other reason than the police don't confuse the
ass who gets himself killed dueling with real murders.

>Richard Foy
>Redondo Beach CA       Standard Disclaimer

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush
From: sdavis@laforge.ksc.nasa.gov (Steve Davis)
Subject: Re: Poll Bias
Organization: NASA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:23:48 GMT

John Gossman writes
> 
> 	I've been hearing a lot of GOP and Libertarian types complaining
> that the polls are biased.  They're right, but not for the reasons they
> give.
		[GOOD EXPLANATION DELETED]

  This is the most rational analysis of poll results that I've seen on the net.   
Thanks, John.

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From: zane@ddsw1.mcs.com (Sameer Parekh)
Subject: Party platforms
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 19:25:56 GMT
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	Could people please send me the party platforms of the Democrats,
Republicans, Libertarians, and other parties involved in this year's
election? Thanks. (The more platforms from 3rd parties the better!)
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Sat Aug 29 14:21:55 1992 US Debt: $4,039,115,396,568 Per capita: $15,822
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From: heidi@wolf.net.com (Heidi Wolf)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: REPUBLICAN PLATFORM WANTED
Summary: phone GOP HQ: (202) 863-8500
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:44:32 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.elections
Organization: N.E.T., Redwood City, CA


Last week I phoned the San Francisco Republican headquarters and asked
for the GOP platform.  They said to call back this week.  This week
I called and they told me to call the national Republican headquarters
in Washington, D.C.  The national HQ said that they didn't have copies
yet, but did take my name and address.  I asked if the platform was
available in electronic format and the person on the other end of the
line said, after a "huh?" kind of pause, "...it's 95 [sic] pages long."

If anyone is interested in phoning to request a copy of the Republican
platform, the telephone number of the national GOP headquarters is:

	        	(202) 863-8500.

I have no idea whether they'll actually send it or not, but it's
certainly worth a try.

Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.marrou,alt.politics.perot
From: tierney@nevada.edu (TIM TIERNEY)
Subject: Re: Our constitution and politics.
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:50:27 GMT

In article <BtwI7p.5vw@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> dev@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Weeks) writes:
>
>Our Constitution is the blueprint for our federal system of
>government. It defines the procedural mechanisms for forming the
>government, passing laws, and enforcing laws. It grants specific
>powers to the federal government, and restricts it from all except
>those. It embodies the concept that government is created by man, and
>it derives its power from the governed. Democracy. Government does not
                                         ^^^^^^^^^
Most of your assertions I agree with, however, the United States is not
a Democracy.  It is a Republic incorporating *some* democratic principles.
There is a *big* difference.  Publius, in the Federalist Papers, decries
that pure Democracy cannot and will not ever provide a stable form of
government.

>create rights, and government does not create sovereignty. The people
>hold natural rights, and the people are the only source of
>sovereignty.
>
>That's the spirit of the U.S. Constitution, IMO.
>


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From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Bush Announces Sale of F-15E's to Iraq
Keywords: yes
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:58:44 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Sep4.144327.638@csrd.uiuc.edu> saarinen@sp92.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sirpa Saarinen) writes:
>lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
>
>                                                         Each plane
>>: will be delivered with a complimentary, specially-tooled version of
>>: The Club anti-theft device. "I want to be the Jobs President," said Bush
>>: to the cheering throng.
>
>>	This is a joke, right?
>
>No, its an election year pledge.

  Aren't they the same thing?

---peter
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: fusco@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Andrew Fusco)
Subject: Re: Keys to the election
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:16:20 GMT

rkw@zuni.unx.sas.com (Randy Whitehead) writes:



>This morning on NPR, I heard a Democrat campaign consultant - I forget his
>name, I want to say something like Joe Lippee (spelling obviously incorrect) - 
>who has worked on Jerry Brown's campaigns. He said that he had always thought
>that "media bias" was just a line used by "the other side," but that after
>watching the coverage of the conventions he was "apalled" by the cynicism
>and bias. 

>Now, if you have a Democrat (who presumably would like to be employable
>after this year) saying something like this - in an election year no less - 
>then maybe there's something to it...

I think it's gone so far that the Democrats can't deny it exists anymore.

One liberal even tried to justify it. Eleanor Clift, a "journalist" for
Newsweek and a regular on the McLaughlin Group was on the Tom Snyder talk
radio show last night. When Tom asked her if she realized how pro-Clinton
her commentary and articles in Newsweek had become, she said that "while she
would like to think of herself as impartial," that some bias always creeps
in. Then instead of apologizing for any inadvertent bias, she then said that
there at Newsweek, they're actually "encouraged" infuse their own opinions into 
their news articles. I had never heard it confessed so plainly. And in my
opinion, this just proves that all those rags like Time, Newsweek and the
others are nothing but advocacy journalism at its worst, masquerading as 
impartial sources of news. Much the same can be said of such imformative 
daily features on the networks as "American Agenda," or "Eye on America."

I was very pleased when at the end of the show a woman called up to tell
Eleanor, "we're tired of hearing your opinions, we don't want your opinions...
just tell us the facts!" Eleanor had no response, as she had already admitted to siding with Clinton.

-ACF
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sharon O'Neil)
Subject: Re: Email Copy of REPUBLICAN PLATFORM to me
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:37:06 GMT

mok@fortsc.enet.dec.com (Charles Mok) writes:


>In article <akyy3!p@rpi.edu>, buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes...
>> 
>>Subject line says it all. I'm looking for a copy of the Republican Platform.
>>Could someone please email it to me or tell me the address of a site where I can
>>ftp it from? Thanks.

>Yes, me too, if anyone has it.  Thanks in advance!!!

>Charles 

Don't ask about it on alt.politics.bush, for you will be attacked by an 
individual who seems to take it personally that we have deigned to go so low
as to ignore his posting of how to get a paper copy of the platform.  (I'm
personally not interested in a hard copy of the platform.  I want an
electronic copy because it will take a great deal less room sitting on a 
floppy disk than on my bookshelf.  Plus I already have electronic copies of
the Dems and the Libs.  I am collecting them because I plan to use them 
in teaching high school government, but I refuse to use them unless I have
copies of all of them.)

Some people just don't know how to handle the Internet.

If/when I discover an electronic copy, I shall let y'all know.

Sharon
oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu

Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: Who toppled Communism??
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 04:53:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.040828.17050@athena.mit.edu> jfed@athena.mit.edu (Jude G Federspiel) writes:
>In article <l9lmguINNmcm@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, aldo@ips-server.Eng.Sun.COM (Aldo Castillo) writes:
>|> 
>|> I think that it is prepostereous to argue that Reagan is considered a
>|> liberator in the ex-Eastern bloc.  Have you heard of any monuments to
>|> honor the aforementioned liberator?  I'm sure not.  
>|> 
>
>That's because they don't have any money yet!!  Wait a cuppla years!!  :)

Wow!  Pigeons crapping on Reagan!



--
"There's one reborn every minute."
		-- Dalai Dan, 153rd Reincarnation of the Lama.
From: JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Corporal Clinton's Lie Keeps Growing
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:21:31 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

Let me just pique your interest - I'll let you read the facts in your own
paper.  Seems Field Marshall Willie Clinton, Commander-in-Chief of the
Arkansas National Guard, the man who told the American Legion:
  "In 1969, while studying at Oxford on a Rhodes scholarship, I received
a draft notice, which arrived late.  My draft board psotponed the
induction date to give me time to finish my first year of study.  That
summer I agreed to join the ROTC program and attend law school at the Universit
of Arkansas.  But a few weeks later, I changed my mind and decided I should
take my chances with the draft."
 . the man who was practically on the front line, in his memory, over
attacking Saddam Hussein, the man who would command our armed forces if
he were elected, the man who wants to gut defense spending, . . . . . .
 had his uncle pull quite a few strings to keep his quivering carcass out
of harm's way, or in his words, "to maintain my political viability".

You can read all about it in The Los Angeles Times and in the national
press unless their allegiance to the Field Marshall outweighs their
professional ethics.
From: saslpo@stevens.unx.sas.com (Len Olszewski)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: George Bush's new math...
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:37:07 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: saslpo@stevens.unx.sas.com


In article <t!cng=k@lynx.unm.edu>, johnchad@triton.unm.edu (jchadwic) writes:
|> I seem to be a bit confused.
|>
|> President Bush wants to lower taxes across the board.
|>
|> President Bush wants to cut the capital gains tax.
|>
|> President Bush wants to cut the deficeit.
|>
|> Now President Bush wants to increase spending with a job training act.
|>
|> And President Bush refuses to tell us what programs he is going to
|> cut. We are asked to "trust" him.
|>
|> Somehow, this does not add up at all. Perhaps someone could enlighten me
|> how the President plans to decrease revenue, increase the budget (oh, I
|> forget, tax vouchers don't increase the budget, they just lower revenue
|> even more) and balance the budget.
|>
|> --john chadwick

No, no, you're not confused at all. This is the clearest statement of 
Bush's election year proposals that I've seen so far.  

I *will* enlighten you as to how Bush plans to do all this and balance 
the budget --- he doesn't. He's just feeding you and I and anyone who 
can vote a load of hokum hoping we're *stupid* enough to believe it and 
vote for him. After all, enough of us bought it four years ago, so I 
can't fault him for trying it again.

Clinton's proposals aren't perfect, but they're light years better than 
the fairy tale Bush and Buchannan are pushing.
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From: csuah@warwick.ac.uk (~WISP at CU~)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Harel posts a particularly clumsy lie.  (Was Re: "STRONG FAMILY VALUES" (III) (1))
Date: 30 Aug 92 15:42:55 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK

In article <1992Aug25.012632.13048@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.114529.16549@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> edp@math.zko.dec.com (Eric Postpischil) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug20.155755.10597@oracle.us.oracle.com>, mfriedma@uucp
>>(Michael Friedman) writes:
>
>>>In article <9208192139.AA01280@poly.math.cornell.edu>
>>>harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (Harel Barzilai) writes:
>
>>>>We're Number One in percentage of population without health
>>>insurance.
>
>>>Note that Harel posts no evidence for this.  He just lets us mislead
>>>ourselves by providing an irrelevant table.
>
>>Harel's article did say one adult in seven had no insurance at all.  So
>>at most 86% have insurance, which is still less than the other developed
>>countries in the table.  And there was a reference cited for the
>>statement.  So what do you mean there was no evidence for it?
>
>Eric, the table was for number of people without government insurance.
>
>Also, I saw no reference for the claim that we are number one in
>number of people without insurance.  I also pointed out the total
>absurdity of this claim.  For example, do you really beleive thata
>larger proportion of Bangladeshis have insurance than Americans?

I think he was probably talking about the industrial democracies. The
health care situation *for the population as a whole* is worse in the USA than
any country in Europe (with the obvious exception of Yugoslavia as was), in
addition to Canada, Oz, NZ, Japan Korea etc. etc... Comparing the situation in
the US with that in Bangladesh is a bit like comparing the number of Sumo
wrestlers in the US and Japan. Different frame of reference, so meaningless
comparison.

The Wisp.
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                                      Brian Johnson (thanks to A. Simha 8^>)
From: r2d@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (richard.del monaco)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Why I cannot vote Democratic
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:26:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug25.191613.23545@fid.morgan.com> joec@fid.morgan.com (Joe Collins) writes:
>I have these examples of why I will have a hard time voting
>Democratic in the near future.
>

Vague and unsubstantiated criticism of Jimmy Carter deleted.

>           
>Governor Jim Florio (NJ):
>               During his campaign to become Governor, he said (and I quote):
>                  "I SEE NO REASON TO RAISE TAXES"
>               Once in office, he pushed through the largest single tax
>               increase for any state, in the entire history of our country, 
>               all WITHIN SIX MONTHS. He never apologized or attempted to 
>               say why. NJ residents are generally *furious* with Jim and 
>               his party.
>

There you go again.  Of course Mr Florio saw no reason to raise taxes.  The
incumbent Republican governor, Tom Kean, distorted the state that the economy
was in by leading everyone to believe that New Jersey had a huge surplus.

Governor Florio should not apologize for fixing the budget mess that New
Jersey was in.  Under his leadership he maintained New Jersey's AAA credit
rating (the only northeastern state to do so).  Have you seen yesterday's
Star-Ledger?  Because the Republican legislature reduced our sales tax,
the deficit next year is expected to be $1.7 billion.  New Jersey's credit
rating has been downgraded to AA1.

As I've pointed out in a previous posting, the budget problems facing New
Jersey have been felt in many other states under Democrat, Republican and
independent governors.  California makes New Jersey look like the Golden
State.  Michigan's mean-spirited governor has slashed all kinds of spending.
Governor Weicker of Connecticut had to introduce a state income tax.  Don't
you get the feeling that this is a national and not a state problem?

It's true that New Jerseyans are furious with Mr Florio.  I propose that this
has more to do with ignorance of the situation.

Ask yourself these questions.  Under the Republican legislature has your
income tax rate gone down?  Do you still get your homestead rebate?  Have
the Republicans cut the legislative pay raise?  Have the Republicans passed
initiative and referendum?  Seems like Florio's not the only one breaking
promises.


Richard Del Monaco		rdelmonaco@attmail.att.com
Somerset, New Jersey		    r2d@cbnewsg.cb.att.com
I support Florio for governor in 1993.
Disclaimer:  I am not an official company spokesperson.
From: csuah@warwick.ac.uk (~WISP at CU~)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Great Britain's View of Bush (Was: The Swedish view on Bush)
Date: 30 Aug 92 16:14:22 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK

In article <1992Aug28.214418.20834@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM (QUOTE OF THE YEAR) writes:
>In article <Aug.28.10.04.32.1992.5397@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan writes...
>>summers%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jim Summers) writes:
>>
>>>In article <1992Aug24.140718.27714@ericsson.se> etxjdry@caddie.ericsson.se writes:
>>
>>>THANK YOU!  Would other non-Americans care to report what their
>>>papers are saying?  In general, I would think that other countries
>>>would have less bias (either conserative or liberal), and its always
>>>nice to see what the world thinks of the Americal political dream. :)
>>
>>I just returned from two weeks in Great Britain and was amazed at how
>>biased the television media was against Bush.  Not that I was offended,
>>but I was surprised.  They were much more biased against him than even
>>our own media sources.
>>
>>For example, during coverage of the Republican convention, the tone of
>>the commentary went along the lines of "In an effort to pull his political
>>career out of the toilet, Bush said ____".  All the television and radio
>>stories that I heard sounded like that.
>>
>>Clinton was only referred to as Bush's opponent.  I didn't hear anything
>>about him other than that.
>>
>
>>Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu)
>
>I was in Great Britian in early June and the media was heavily against
>Bush becuase of his stand on the Earth Summit. I don't mean just flaming
>him, I mean front page.
>

That's absolutely true, and he bloody-well deserved it! In all fariness,
though, everyone at the summit took a hammering: the 'developed' nations'
leaders for being so reluctant to do anything, and the third world leaders for
wanting pots of cash to care for their exploding populations, rather than
trying to cut back...

The Wisp.
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"Tony Greig in the slips, legs apart, waiting for a tickle"
                                      Brian Johnson (thanks to A. Simha 8^>)
From: smyers@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (steven myers)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 10:49:58 GMT
Subject: Re: The Swedish view on Bush
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections

	I suppose that Sweden is used to its 25% plus sales tax, 51%  of its
gross national product being spent on taxes, a special tax for dog owners (yes
it is true!), and deodorant and soap bot being listed in the catagory subject 
to 'luxury tax,' but I hope that we here in America are sharp enough to see 
past spend now and pay forever politics.  The sliding tax system of Sweden
allows folks on welfare to make close to the same amount (after taxes) that
teachers and scientists do.  Somehow, this just doesn't do much for me.  As 
Bush said,"I made a mistake to concede and raise taxes once.  Bill Clinton did
it 120 times while governor, and was glad to do it."  For a party that so often
quotes the "read my lips" line, it would seem more appropriate for them to 
find a candidate that wasn't quite so spend happy himself.  O' kettle, how 
black thou art.

				With Love,
				With respect,
				Steve.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: int475d@mdw027.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr T.J. Joy)
Subject: Libertarian electoral record.
Organization: Monash University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:26:32 GMT

Would someone in the good ol' US of A send me info on how well the
Libertarian party does at the polls.  There seem to be a lot of them
on the net but how popular are they overall?

Many thanks in advance.

-- 
Timothy John Edward Joy
int475dccds.cc.monash.edu.au

Dada forever-----------------------------Jesus is a sausage.
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