From: Tagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Hello, Harish, and Bran
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 21:59:06 PST
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9212.29 e.v.

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
The word of Sin is Restriction.


The Scooch quotes me addressing Harish and challenging Morrison
(not Jim, Lowell ;>) and I respond:

|> Harish, I think you were right and honest the first time.  Power is the
|> major lure to Magick and you knew enough to associate it.


Scooch:

I can't find myself agreeing. Power is meaningless, I knew
that instinctively (intrinsically?) before dipping in my toe. The major 
lure to magick doesn't, for me, seem that easily quantifiable. I'd
bet that the real reasons people actually investigate magick,
are those similar to why people 'experiment' with Zen Buddhism, 
Christianity, and other forms of Mysticism outside of their familial 
forms. Why they stay is because it 'works'. 

One might expect that there is a level of 'soul' (if one soul of 
the Atman can be said to be higher than another) associated with the
void filled by Magick. I sometimes wonder whether it's of a
higher, or lower order...however, I find it makes no difference
as to the practice and benefit of the Magickal process.


Response:

I agree that they stay because it 'works', but I still contend that
the major reason people engage in it is to get what they they of as
'power'.  Now you and I may have approached it from a different
standpoint, but my studies (a limited survey, for one) seems to
indicate that most people associate magic(k) with exerting some
form of control over their environment.  I don't make any claims
about the accuracy of their initial ideas.  I was talking LURES.


My challenge to Lowell Morrison:

|> Lowell:
|> ..
|> "Magick is in large part a matter of symbolism and intent, and therefore
|> you must master both symbolism and yourself first".  I myself have
|> .. 
|> Response:
|> 
|> This is ridiculous and I'd like to formally challenge it.  
|>
|> :::Thyagi throws down the rubber chicken of challenge:::
|> 
|> Please, explain what you mean by 'symbolism', 'intent' and 'mastery' in
|> both of these.  THEN, explain what you mean by 'yourself' and how 'mastery'
|> may be applied to it.  Elsewise, start emailing Harish for some lessons
|> on Magick.  Thanks.


Scooch:

Why, Tagi? Why should his statement bear any more need for
his exposition than 'DWTW' should for AC? Leave it as an excercize 
for the student, as it should be, to do with as he or she will. 


Response:

1) Lowell describes reality FOR Harish.  On this basis alone he 
   deserves to be challenged.

2) Lowell does not leave reference for other, more explanatory works
   of his which help us to understand his words.  AC does this, going
   as far as to say that his words should be challenged with close
   and clever scrutiny before accepting them.  Lowell does not do
   this and therefore ought be challenged and severely (at least
   by me ;>).

3) AC's 'DWTW' ought be challenged very strenuously.  Those who accept
   it without such challenge are the worst form of mongrel and will
   surely end up as slaves to the Buddha-armies.




Invoke me under my stars.  Love is the law, love under will.


I am I!


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