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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Lynch's Spoiler Reviews:  A nine-tenths farewell
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Summary: Very nearly a goodbye.
Keywords: s'long
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 00:57:36 GMT

Howdy, folks.  

For those of you left who have an interest (both of you), I'm afraid my time 
here on r.a.s.* is about to be *extremely* limited.  I'm starting a new job 
which is going to take up an awful lot of my time, and my net.time is going 
to be drastically reduced.

Don't worry; the reviews will continue.  Come hell or high water, the spoiler 
reviews aren't going anywhere.  (Hell, *I* enjoy them too much to do 
otherwise!  :-) )  However, the odds are very strong that they'll end up 
being written on the weekends rather than on Wednesdays when the show airs; I 
simply won't have the time to spare during the week to write them.  

As for anything apart from the reviews...no promises.  I intend to stay 
subscribed to both r.a.s.current and r.a.s.misc (thanks to nn, it doesn't 
take long, particularly when the content is as mind-bogglingly dull as it is 
right now), but Elath only knows how much (if any) time I'll have to answer 
things.  I'd like to stay involved and I hope to do so, but the only constant 
of all of this will be the reviews.

So, it's not a goodbye, but it's close.  I've seen the group[s] go through 
ups and downs over the last 4+ years, and I have faith that it'll go on 
smoothly (well, as smoothly as it ever does) with or without me.  Take care 
for now, folks.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled flamewars.

Tim Lynch 
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thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picard's mistake
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:21:07 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

scrotch@milton.u.washington.edu (Lou Ciphre) writes:
>rtwall@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD TODD WALL) writes:

>>	In a receint re-broadcast of the ST-TNG episode where Wesley Crusher
>>and his flight team had their big crash around Saturn, Picard thanks the
>>grounds keeper at the academy for his help when he made some big mistake.

>>	Does anyone know what that big mistake was ?????

Nope.  I doubt even the TNG staffers have any idea.  :-)  It's never been
made more explicit than that conversation there.

>someone else may have posted this before, since i can't recall thinking it
>up myself (so apologies if i'm plagarizing you), but didn't it seem
>suspicious that as soon as geordi told picard about wes's something-or-another
>valve being open before the accident, picard knew right away what wes and
>the rest of the flight team had been up to?  doesn't it sound as though
>picard is REALLY familiar with that particular outlawed manuever?

Not likely, since the last instance was a century before TNG and resulted
in the death of all five cadets.  Otherwise, it'd be a nice idea.  Perhaps
he thought about talking someone else into doing it and changed his mind...

Tim Lynch
From: cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Crew Eccentricities
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:41:52 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug13.225426.20521@cco.caltech.edu> alex@crystal.ipac.caltech.edu (Alex Werner) writes:
>I think it is too easy to throw a feminist interpretation onto this. As a
>matter of fact, although I am a teenage male, I think Shelby was one of the
>best characters ever... certainly a _huge_ improvement on Riker. And while it

I liked Shelby, too!  When I first saw BOBW, I was thinking, "gee, maybe
Riker WILL leave & Shelby will become 1st officer!"  But no, it was too
good to be true.

Tim
-- 
"It is still an unending source of surprise for me to see how a few
scribbles on a blackboard or on a sheet of paper could change the
course of human affairs."   -- Stanislaw Ulam
Tim Dodd, Research Scientist, Georgia Tech  cegtitd@prism.gatech.edu
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From: gerlach@greyrock.mso.colostate.edu (Scott Gerlach)
Subject: Re: Kirk References In TNG?
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 03:59:09 GMT
Organization: Computer Training & Support Services, Colorado State University

In article <1992Aug14.024649.13635@nntp.uoregon.edu> ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:

>   Has their actually ever been any images of Kirk used in TNG? Not that it
>really matters, but I thought it would be super to have Picard stumble
>across one of Kirk's captain's logs - perhaps his last. Maybe a sentimental
>farewell. <Sniff><Sniff><Cry><Cry>

Nice idea, but I doubt that Paramount's ready to lock itself into a
final ending for the "Kirk Era" yet (remember the enigmatic statements
by Spock in Reunification?  Made you think something more final was in
store for ST VI).  Maybe after ST VII falls prey to the so-called
"odd-numbered movie curse" (I pretty much liked them all, however).

Scott
--
Disclaimer: My opinions don't necessarily reflect those of my school or
my employer, but it's great when they do.

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* "No, I'm from Iowa... I only work in space." -James T. Kirk (ST:TVH) *
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From: linley@boole.seas.ucla.edu (Bruce Linley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Season Premiere-- (CENSORED)!!!
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:36:32 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

Let's do this right... (Spoiler warning!)

Last Chance!


In article <1992Aug19.070812.21689@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> jxs52@po.CWRU.Edu (Jonathan Sheir) writes:
>
>I just recently found out from a reliable source that Geordi will be killed
>in the premiere in an attempt to save Data's life.  LeVar Burton wished to
>leave and the writers thought it would be a good way to send him off  It will
>give Data more of an appreciation as to what friendship really is.

Until the "reliable source" is identified, I won't believe a word of this. If
it is true though, THANKS A LOT ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!

The remainder of this message is for the eyes of the original poster (Jonathan
Sheir <jxs52@po.CWRU.Edu> ) only...


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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: "Sanctuary" (new book)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 03:28:05 GMT

jhitch@crash.cts.com (Jeffrey Hitchin) writes:
>In <cubsfan.713911638@camelot> cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman) writes:

>>Short summary (no spoiler) : The BEST Star Trek book ever written.

>>Buy it. You won't be sorry.

>	This is a joke, right?  Please tell me this is a joke.  John
>Vornholt is possibly the WORST writer of ST fiction today.  He is, however,
>Kevin Ryan's closest friend which is why his crap gets published.

Whoa, whoa.  Let's not get *too* ahead of ourselves.

Based on his early work, at least, I'd not be at all inclined to call Vornholt
the worst writer of current ST fiction.  _Masks_ wasn't a bad read at all;
his dialogue was, IMO, way off, but he made up and showed an interesting 
culture, which is no small feat.  (On the other hand, I will admit that I
thought _Contamination_ was pretty poor, and I haven't been reading the
novels regularly since _Vendetta_, so I can't judge his more recent work.)

I can't comment intelligently on the "he's Kevin's closest friend" issue,
since I don't know beyond one meeting with the two of them.  (I will say,
however, that solely being on Kevin Ryan's friendly list is not sufficient
to get a book published.  Trust me.)

Carry on.  :-)

Tim Lynch
From: tgrupe@watnxt05.ucr.edu (Todd Grupe)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: STIV and the transtator
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:01:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucru2.6332

In article <6331@ucru2.ucr.edu> judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson) writes:
> In article <2327@tymix.Tymnet.COM> douge@tigger.tymnet.com (Doug Ellenberg)  
> writes:
> 
> > Just because someone travels back in time and does something (regardless
> > of the event) doesn't mean there will be a major change in the future.
> 
> I forget where I saw it exactly, but, if you were able to compare two
> paths of the past, one which has been altered, to one which has not,
> then at first the two histories would be similar, but after a while, the
> two histories would start to diverge.  Any minor action of the past
> would cause the altered history to differ, within time, to that which
> was not altered.  And what you say about the meteor destroying a 
> shopping center to a time traveler destroying a shopping center is
> absurd.  The meteor, regardless of your actions, would destroy the
> shopping center.  However, if the shopping center were to be destroyed
> by a person, then it would directly depend on the person's actions.
> But any little action would have profound effects.  Have you ever read
> Mark Twain's The Mysterious Stranger?

No.  You are saying that *any* alternative action *must* have huge and profound  
effects on the future, when that is only a significant possibility.  If you go  
back in time as remove a leaf from a tree, this could happen: the removal of  
that leaf makes the difference between that tree surviving or succumbing to  
some argicultural disease.  Finally it dies, and one day it falls down in the  
forest, right on the 6-year-old head of Woodrow Wilson, thus allowing the  
Germans to win World War I decades later.  OR, this could happen: nothing at  
all, which seems more likely.  What you've been saying is that the tree *must*  
fall over and kill a future President, or something.  That's just a load of  
butt-keg marmalade, Mike.


TG

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From: news@eng.umd.edu (C-News)
Subject: Re: Season Premier
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 00:36:57 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, College of Engineering
Originator: wombat@coke.eng.umd.edu

In article <1992Aug21.002557.16509@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> as413@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric William Paslick) writes:
>
>In a previous article, lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder) says:
>
>>In article <XJHsPB1w165w@tradent.wimsey.bc.ca>, awesome@tradent.wimsey.bc.ca (Travis Leippi) writes:
>>> 
>>> Edwardl@freddyk.uucp (Ed Langenback) writes:
>>> 
>>> > does anyone know when the season premier of ST:TNG will air?
>>
>>The schedule:
>>
>>August 22 - I, Borg
>>August 29 - The Next Phase
>>September 5 - The Inner Light
>>September 12 - Time's Arrow I
>>September 19 - Time's Arrow II
>>
>>Is this not correct?
>>
>>Larry
>>
>>
>>
>
>No, it is not correct.
>
>The schedule:
>
>August 22 - Imaginary Friend
>August 29 - I, Borg
>September 5 - The Next Phase
>September 12 - The Inner Light
>September 19 - Time's Arrow I
>September 26 - Time's Arrow II
>
>					Eric

Actually, the first one is right for the uplink, I believe.  The second may
be where it airs in your area.  Now, whether TAII will actually be uplinked
on the 19th is another matter.  Paramount could give us another rerun if
they wish.  Anyone got an official schedule yet?
 
-- 
Jose Gonzalez
                       Spock- "In your own way, you are as stubborn as another
                               captain of the Enterprise I once knew."
                       Picard-"Then I'm in good company, sir."
From: mlevis@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Mike Levis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why Klingons lose?
Date: 23 Aug 92 05:38:54 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <16261@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes:
>This reminds me of a war comic I read as a kid (back when I thought war
>was a neat-o kind of adventure). It was a WWII Pacific setting with
>an American and a Japanese trapped on the hull of a submarine which
>is submerging. The Japanese, of course, accepts his fate while the
>American struggles and eventually (of course) escapes. The Japanese
>tells the American, "We will win, because we are not afraid to die."
>After it's all over and the American is back with his buddies he
>tells them about this and then says, "He was wrong. We will win,
>because we're not afraid to live."  Kind of jingoistic but there's
>a point there.
>
>Richard

I was watching a repeat of ST:TOS today -- I forgot the name
of the episode, but it was the one where a Captain Merrick
was the First Citizen of a planet of Roman-type gladiators
who killed slaves that worshipped the Son of God.

In this episode, Bones wanted to thank Spock for saving his
life, but emotionless Spock made Bones get mad.  Then Bones
said something like "You are not afraid to die -- you're
afraid to live!  You're afraid that someday your emotions
will slip out...."

Okay, now back to the current stuff.

-- 
====== Mike Levis   mlevis@ringer.cs.utsa.edu ======
"I believed what I was told, I thought it was a good   .--.
life, I thought I was happy.  Then I found something  (OS/2)
that changed it all..."    --  Anonymous, 2112         ~--~
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: tankus@hsi.com (Ed Tankus)
Subject: Re: ST:TNG gifs
Keywords: gif pictures
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:12:59 GMT

In article <BsxIpK.FE5@spock.dis.cccd.edu> markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Mark Bixby) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.232947.3730@unislc.uucp> zzekka@unislc.UUCP (Zeke Zecca,B2C10,4827) writes:
>>I am looking for a news group and/or a/an ftp site for ST gifs.
>>Planets, the big E, crew, etc..
>
>A HUGE selection of ST gifs is available from vab02.larc.nasa.gov via FTP.

 Correct.  HOWEVER, there does not appear to be an index of the gifs
 at this site ... unless of course I missed it.  Please correct me
 if I'm wrong as I'm in search of Gates Gifs.


-- 
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- or:  "Leave the programming to others but give the hammer to me"
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: deboer@neptune.mcs.anl.gov (Ms. Jennifer L. DeBoer)
Subject: Re: Worf's son
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Chicago, Illinois
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:47:36 GMT

In article <5087@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> krieger@egnext3.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Karen Krieger) writes:
>Can anyone tell me the name of Worf's son?

Alexander.

>or Data's brother?

Lore (sp?).



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Jennifer DeBoer
deboer@mcs.anl.gov
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From: mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Gertz)
Subject: Re: "The Outcast": a missed opportunity
Organization: Dept. of ECE, The Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:43:56 GMT

Laura_Halliday@mindlink.bc.ca (Laura Halliday) writes:
>`The Outcast' was a major disappointment in many ways, not the least of which
>was that all but one of the supposed androgynes looked approximately female,
>and not androgynous at all. Grumble.
>
>...laura

The problem, of course, is that they're confined to using human actors, and
the features of the characters are going to be perceived as "male" or "female"
by the audience (mostly out of habit) anyway.  Furthermore, if most of these
characters are sexually the same (in this case, gender neuter), then they
ought to be generally similar as far as proportions are concerned (hips,
chests, etc).  Using a mixed batch of actors genderwise, it would be difficult
to maintain this illusion.  So, for the most part, either mostly women or
mostly men should be cast in the parts, to illustrate this bland similarity:
flip a coin as to which.  (Frakes' interaction with one of them might sway
the balance somewhat.)

Lots of makeup to hide their features and make them truly androgynous (and
also more alien/less human)?  But then it becomes harder for the audience
to relate to them and also to Riker's romance.

My point is that if some of them look male and some look female, then the
illusion of androgyneity, so essential to the story, is shattered.

In some respects, I do feel that the episode was a cop-out, but not, IMO,
because of the appearance of the androgynes.
-- 
Matt Gertz, mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu
Dept. of ECE, The Robotics Institute at Carnegie Mellon University.
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Season Premiere-- Geordi Dies!!!
Date: 20 Aug 92 04:58:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Aug19.215825.1047
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

In <1992Aug19.070812.21689@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
jxs52@po.CWRU.Edu (Jonathan Sheir) writes:

>
>I just recently found out from a reliable source that Geordi will be killed
>in the premiere in an attempt to save Data's life.  LeVar Burton wished to
>leave and the writers thought it would be a good way to send him off  It will
>give Data more of an appreciation as to what friendship really is.






                        Yeah! Um, humm. Suuure, I'll buy that...;)

Dave
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: lazarus@ug.cs.dal.ca (Chuck Turner)
Subject: Re: BABYLON 5: Rest of the Casting, First day of filming
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:48:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.171036.3858@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> flanigan@echo.gsfc.nasa.gov (Dennis Flanigan) writes:
>In article <5661@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>, jsciv@vtucs.cc.vt.edu writes:
>|> In article <1992Aug13.130011.13891@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>|>
>|> I disagree here.  I really think that this is the best place for updates 
>|> of this kind.  This show is definitely not Trek, but it IS a sf tv show,
>|> 
>
>What about rec.arts.sf.tv ?  The B5 posts that we see in r.a.s.c are also
>posted in that group as well.  Untill rec.arts.b5, maybe all the talk about
>b5 should be done in that group.

I'd rather it stay here, as I can't get rec.arts.sf.tv.
What I'd REALLY like to know is how folks in Canada are gonna be able to
see this show when it does go on the air.

						Chuck

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From: Charles Laine <Charles_Laine@CCIS.BAYLOR.EDU>
Subject: STIV and the transtator
Organization: Baylor University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:02:44 GMT
X-Posted-From: lainec.baylor.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


In Star Trek IV, when Chekov attempts his escape from the "nuclear
wessel", he leaves behind both his communicator and his phaser.  Now, if
you remember in "A Piece of the Action" after McCoy leaves his
communicator behind, Spock informs Bones of how damaging that could be. 
The communicator contained something called a 'transtator', which Spock
said was the key to much of the technology in the late 23rd century.

Could it be that since this equipment was left behind in the 20th
century, our military was able to obtain, analyze, redesign, and recreate
the 'transtator' in the present time?  This would greatly alter the
evolution of technology in the years following the whale-quest.  Perhaps
the technology in the 23rd cetnury would not be quite as advanced if
Chekov had not left his standard issues behind.   

This is just a thought.  What do you think?

Charles Laine
Baylor University
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: Strong Women
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 12:19:12 GMT

ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:

>In article <1992Aug12.175600.1165@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> pcp2g@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Gilligan) writes:

>>Tasha's *character* is excellent; the actor was bad. 

>>Shelby
>>The actor was good, too, and I would like to see her return.

>>Ro
>>The actor is a bit stiff, but that may wear off with time

>OK, what's the deal????

>Are women no longered referred to as *actress*????  Is this the newest
>PC fad?  I can't believe it was a typo when you said actor referring
>to a women three times in the same post.

>What's going on?  Am I the last to know?

That's right.  THe PC term for both sexes is "actor."  You are not THE last
to know, merely nearly the last.

keith

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: djsnider@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Darrin Snider)
Subject: Re: STIV and the transtator
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:35:12 GMT

In <1992Aug13.163351.28104@ioe.ac.uk> teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN DAVENPORT) writes:

>In <1992Aug13.140244.28755@ctr.columbia.edu> Charles_Laine@CCIS.BAYLOR.EDU (Charles Laine) writes:


>>In Star Trek IV, when Chekov attempts his escape from the "nuclear
>>wessel", he leaves behind both his communicator and his phaser.  Now, if
>>you remember in "A Piece of the Action" after McCoy leaves his
>>communicator behind, Spock informs Bones of how damaging that could be. 
>>The communicator contained something called a 'transtator', which Spock
>>said was the key to much of the technology in the late 23rd century.

>It's a bit worse than that. Wasn't the communicator he left behind a Klingon
>one? If this one does contain a transtator, and the Earthers discover it,
>then the Klingon Empire is responsible for a large amount of technical
>advancement in the 23rd century. If not, it'd make a neat kiddies toy in the
>20th.

>>Charles Laine
>>Baylor University

>Ian J Davenport     MULLARD SPACE SCIENCE LABORATORY ijd@uk.ac.ucl.mssl

>"How do we know they didn't invent it?" - Scotty
>"Umm... Right... Uhhh...?" - Bones


I'd thought of this, but I figured that, since the phaser didn't work anyway
and there wansn`t anybody around to call them on the communicator, and no-
body really believed that Chekov's identification card was legitimate
anyway, they would have just thrown them away or something.  

Any people with MP experience out there to confirm S.O.P. in this case?

Neo ->-----
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