From: scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Scott Goehring)
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: Question for Scott
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:53:43 GMT
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Reply-To: scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
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dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:

>Listen Scott, I choose my friends, you choose yours. I will not let
>someone like you tel me how to run my life or make my decisions. If
>you don't like it, move to alt.TS.

alt.TS?  WTF is alt.TS?

>But, I still put the question to you, and I have deleted everything
>else just to make it real hard for you to snake out of it:

>Would you ever tell a woman she should not care what society thought
>after she had been raped, and that it was her duty to report the
>crime?  Would you ever tell her that if her friends or co-workers
>might look at her differently, or not promote her, she should 'raise
>the standards' she uses to make friends.

Personally, I would recommend that any person, male or female, who was
raped report it.  Silence in the face of sexual abuse is deadly.  When
nothing comes of the report it shifts the blame from the victim for
not reporting it to prosecutors who refuse to press rape charges or
plea-bargain them down to simple battery.

>Listen, you reported your incident. Great. Here's a cookie. It will
>go good with the additional degrading the police gave you.

So you think I'm somehow stupid for reporting my rape incident.  Well,
to speak allegorically, *FUCK YOU*.

>Now, why do you feel compelled to tell other people how they conduct
>their own lives? Just cause you reported it gives you the right to
>tell other men they should report it if it happens to them? And if it
>wrecks their lives, oh well?

Her (or his) life is already wrecked.  She was raped.  The
life-wrecker should pay for it.

>You'd never be so insensitive to say it to a woman, so why do you say
>it to a man? Men more obligated to society than women are? Men less
>concerned with their lives than women are?

Sir, you know not the least thing about me.  Don't go off on gender
issues with me.  By doing so you walk into a wall formed of your own
ignorance.

I'd just as quickly advise a woman to report a rape as I would a man.

>What is your justification???

>The only reason I can think of is you want more homosexual rapes
>reported so it becomes more commonly known about, so that you feel
>less stigma attached with your own attack. 

I feel no special stigma related to my own rape.  You're the one who
is projecting your own feelings onto myself.  If I was stigmatized by
my rape, do you think I could talk about it so freely?

>Would correlate with how much you seem determined to tell the whole
>world--trying to somehow prove you are not ashamed of it.

I'm not ashamed of it.  Why should I be?

>Unless, you can come up with an alternative explination as to why men
>are obligated to report it, when a woman is expected to make her
>decision based solely on her own needs and beliefs, and no one would
>ever try to push her one way or the other.

Ultimately, all people, female and male, will make their own decision.
I will encourage both to report.  There is no difference.  Why do you
persist in implying that I believe there is?
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