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From: cliff@world.std.com (c m williams)
Subject: Re: Hey!...Our Internet Link is Up!
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:39:56 GMT

I am reading the Newsgroup on internet. Would someone care to post what
this group is all about for us interneters who have new groups appear on
our screens? Thanks.

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From: shedevil@leland.Stanford.EDU (Anne P. Mitchell, JD)
Subject: Re: "Single Again"
Reply-To: shedevil@gw.home.vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell, J.D.)
Organization: Fathers Rights & Equality Exchange
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 18:38:46 GMT

In a recent missive Byron=Bollas%HQ%Rational@VINES1.RATSYS.COM tells us:
>I just read an article that Anne Mitchell wrote for "Single Again" magazine.
>Can Anne or anyone else tell me how to get subscription information for this
>magazine?


The address is:

Single Again Magazine
P.O. Box 671
Newark, CA  94569

The phone # is (510) 793-6315, and the editor's name is Len Harris.
He's a darling man...tell him how you came to know of the magazine.

By the way, we've been talking about my doing a monthly column for the 
magazine :-).



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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:02:28 -0500
From:         David Garrod <garrod@ECN.PURDUE.EDU>

The CBS 48 Hours program on fathers fighting for custody
and visitation rights will be aired next Wednesday (1/13/93)
at 10:00 p.m. on east coast stations.
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:39:27 EST
From:         Byron=Bollas%HQ%Rational@VINES1.RATSYS.COM
Subject:      Single fathers group in Boston...

I'd like to get some more info from Jonathan Frank about the single fathers
group in Boston he mentioned. I'd like to know when and where they meet and
how to get involved.

I apologize for sending this to the entire list but I didn't have Johnathan's
direct address (and I can't rely on my screwy mail system to give me a
reliable address).

Thanks

Byron Bollas
ByronB@ratsys.com
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:12:26 EST
From:         Dale Marmaduke <IDQM400@INDYSTTI.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Court investigator advice needed

Having had three court (attorney) investigators I can answer.

The Marion County Domestic Relations investigator used the
book Mom's House, Dad's House by Isolina Ricci.  They recommend
the parent who is most willing to work for shared custody.

A few other books are  How to Handle Your Child Custody Case
a Guide for Parents, Psychologists, and Attorneys by Leonard Diamond,
Separate Houses by Robert B. Shapiro and Joint Custody Handbook
by Miriam Galper Cohen.


A few notes....You will most likely take the MMPI.  Don't
try and cheat.  It has a built in lie detector.  (Nobody
really reads the letters to the editor every day.)

I would also try and anticipate what you will be accused and
have a defense.  (He's not religious enough, or he
abused me when I squandered all the money.  I pointed out
that if I were so abusive, the ex would of actually
stopped the offending behavior.  The check book
tells the truth.  Point out ex left because next offer? etc
Not that you did anything.  Show willingness to go to
counseling with ex.)

Then I wrote the a report for the social worker.  It had
how the parents differed and why I am the better parent.
(Two out of two children agree.)


I also asked to review the report before the judge got
a copy to correct errors.  (They didn't let me.)  I
found out afterwards the ex was claiming two years college
(took three courses, failed two), and many other
items.

Good luck

Dale Marmaduke
From: shedevil@VIX.COM (Anne P. Mitchell, JD)
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Date: 5 Jan 93 16:29:43 GMT
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X-Btw: vix.com is also gw.home.vix.com and vixie.sf.ca.us

Well, this may be fantasy..but I'd like to think that the reason the
list has been slow lately is because everyone was able to spend at
least some time with their kids over the holidays. :-)

Annie
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:54:49 -0500
From:         David Garrod <garrod@ECN.PURDUE.EDU>

Opinion by David K. Garrod, Ph.D.
Member of the Indiana Child Support Advisory Committee. January 8, 1993

     On Thursday, January 7, 1993 the Supreme Court of Indiana adopted
a new set of child support guidelines.  In so doing they essentially
ignored almost all of the recommendations made by the legislatively-
appointed Indiana Child Support Advisory Committee.  (ICSAC)
     Some of the 31 recommendations made by ICSAC included:
Mandatory mediation prior to major hearings; a state-wide system of
family courts; a set of minimum visitation guidelines; college and higher
education support guidelines; tax exemption correlation with support;
elimination of double charging for add-ons such as child-care, medical
and education expenses; a support table reduction to the average of
contiguous states.
     The changes adopted by the Supreme Court were token changes, which
instead of defining guidelines more fully and thereby reducing litigation
and increasing overall fairness, produced ill-defined minimal changes
that can do nothing other than increase litigation.  This flagrant
abuse of power by the Supreme Court, ignoring the legislatively-appointed
advisory committee, which contained a deliberately-chosen well-balanced
mixture of knowledgeable members, will no doubt cause a response from
the legislature.  The twelve ICSAC members were equally represented with
6 men and 6 women.  There are two legislators from each house, equally
divided with respect to party and sex.  There are two judges and two
attorneys, one custodial parent and one non-custodial parent and two
professionals in the area of economics, mathematics or other area
related to child support.  All recommendations had to have passed by
this committee by a minimum of seven votes out of the twelve members.
In fact, many recommendations passed without any contrary votes.
ICSAC held several full-day public meetings for public input and took
over a year in public meetings to develop their recommendations.
     The arrogant attitude of the five upper-income aging males on the
Supreme Court in failing to admit their earlier errors in the generation
of the guidelines and in ignoring the recommendations of ICSAC, will
not go unnoticed by the general public.  Already there is talk of
introducing a bill to make the Supreme Court an elected body instead of
appointed, thereby achieving accountability from this body.  A bill to
legislatively adopt the college support guideline recommendations of
ICSAC has already been introduced into the legislature.  Further bills
to adopt the ICSAC recommendations and dis-empower the Supreme Court
will no doubt follow.
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:27:59 -0500
From:         David Garrod <garrod@ECN.PURDUE.EDU>

7th National Conference, Children`s Rights Council,
April 28 - May 2, 1993,
Holiday Inn, Bethesda, Maryland.

Wednesday evening, April 28.  Board Meetting and reception.

Thursday, April 29.
   Capital Hill Symposium.
   Long distance parenting.
   David Brenner. (Benefit performance ($25 extra))

Friday, April 30.
   Awards ceremony
   Nancy Thoennes, Center for Policy Research.
   New Clinton Administration
   Nicholas Zill will discuss Census Bureau data.
   Books and Author luncheon, including Geoffrey Grief and Claire
        Berman
   Wine and cheese reception.
   Candlelight Vigil

Saturday, May 1.
   Workshops on various family issues.
   Richard Warshak, author of The Custody Revolution
   Robert Williams, Policy Studies Inc.
   Richard Gardner, M.D., working on child abuse reporting changes.
   Hugh McIsaac, (Los Angeles) family court services
   Banquet

Sunday, May 2.
   Child Support Symposium
   How to form a CRC chapter
   Closing ceremony

Conference room rate at Holiday Inn is $73/night
(Holiday Inn phone 1-800 638-5954)

Conference          CRC member         non-CRC member
registration fee

Before 3/15           $115               $150
After 3/15            $125               $160
                                      non-member rates include $35
                                      one-year CRC membership

Further information from:

Heather Campbell, Conference Coordinator
220 I Street, NE, Ste 230
Washington, DC 20002-4362

(202) 547-6227
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:52:35 -0500
From:         OISPEGGY@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU
Subject:      taking kids to Canada

>One of the members of our Boston single fathers group has just
>been told that his ex intends to marry and take his three kids
>to Cape Bretton in Canada.  Does anyone out there have any
>experience fighting international custody disputes, or can they
>recommend lawyers with experience.  Thanks, Jonathan Frank

My husband's X took their daughter to live in Canada for a few
years, with her new Canadian husband (whom she later divorced).
Anyway, Canadian immigration would not allow the child to stay
in the country unless my husband signed a form authorizing it.
This was about 10 years ago.

- Peggy -
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From:         glover <glover@MSMAILGW1.ARLUT.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      A Case For REAL Equality

I have something to share and would appreciate any/all comments the community
would like to send. I currently reside in Austin Texas.

My situation is this:

Currently separated, divorce is immenent. We have two daughters, 10 & 8. The 8
year old lives with her mother, the 10 year old lives with me. The mother left
me 1 1/2 years ago, the older daughter came to live with me 7 months ago. The
mother has since moved over 200 miles away to go back to school in Galv.,Tx.
The mother is asking for child support *AND* spousal support so that she can
attend the university in Galveston and not have to work!

Here's the kicker, she, her attornee, and everyone else involved (on her side)
wants child support from me for the 8 year old, but *NOTHING* from her for the
10 year old.

I.E., THE MAN SHALL PAY SUPPORT BUT NOT THE WOMAN !!

I am currently changing attorneys and will be addressing these issues again. If
anyone out there has any information concerning spousal support and/or cases
involving two-way child support, PLEASE SEND IT IN. I would also think that
this
is a case  which might interest some attorneys.

Dennis Glover
(512) 267-7701 H
(512) 835-3109 W
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:52:17 EST
From:         Byron=Bollas%HQ%Rational@VINES1.RATSYS.COM
Subject:      "Single Again"

I just read an article that Anne Mitchell wrote for "Single Again" magazine.
Can Anne or anyone else tell me how to get subscription information for this
magazine?

Much Thanks,

Byron
ByronB@ratsys.com
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From: shedevil@leland.Stanford.EDU (Anne P. Mitchell, JD)
Subject: Hey!...Our Internet Link is Up!
Reply-To: shedevil@gw.home.vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell, J.D.)
Organization: Fathers Rights & Equality Exchange
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 17:26:51 GMT

Dear FREE-L List Readers,

Our Internet connection is up!...we now have an Internet newsgroup, 
bit.listserv.free-l!

This means that everything mailed to the list will be posted to the net,
and vice versa.  It also *may* mean that ultimately this group will have
to be moderated...we'll have to see how it goes.

Anyway, I'm really excited about this!

Annie

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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:29:42 EST
From:         Dale Marmaduke <IDQM400@INDYCMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Seventh National Conference for Children (and their non-custodial
              parents)

The Children's Rights Council National Conference will
be April 28-May 2, 1993.  Holiday Inn, Bethesda, Maryland.

I hope to attend this year.  Previous reports from friends
who attended this conference give it very high marks.
Our local group's leadership came back with fresh ideas,
national contacts, and better resources.

For more information....


Heather Campbell, Conference Coordinator
Children's Rights Council
220 Eye St. NE, Ste 230
Washington, DC  20002-4362

phone  (202) 547-6227
FAX    (202) 546-4272

Fee just $115 includes Luncheion, Banquet, and Wine and Cheese Reception.
(They are a true not for profit.  Just to change the current system.)
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From: shedevil@leland.Stanford.EDU (Anne P. Mitchell, JD)
Subject: Re: taking kids to Canada
Reply-To: shedevil@gw.home.vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell, J.D.)
Organization: Fathers Rights & Equality Exchange
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:46:51 GMT


>>One of the members of our Boston single fathers group has just
>>been told that his ex intends to marry and take his three kids
>>to Cape Bretton in Canada.  Does anyone out there have any
>>experience fighting international custody disputes, or can they
>>recommend lawyers with experience.  Thanks, Jonathan Frank


Yes...have him call William Hilton, Esq., a.s.a.p..  Mr. Hilton
specializes in [and in fact deals only with] international custody
disputes..he's an expert on such things as the Hague Convention, *and*
working to *recover* children who are the victims of parental abductions
to other countries.  His # is (408) 246-8511.  He practices out of Santa
Clara, California.  He also has a B.B.S., on which he has dozens of
files for downloading, which files include articles, briefs, etc.  The
B.B.S. # is (408) 246-0387.

Annie




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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:12:57 U
From:         Oz Barron <oz_barron@PHARLAP.COM>
Subject: Re: Re- Anybody out there..

                         RE>Re:  Anybody out there....?

>Well, this may be fantasy..but I'd like to think that the reason >the
>list has been slow lately is because everyone was able to spend >at
>least some time with their kids over the holidays. :-)

A little.  Only some visitation denial.  *sigh*  Court again...

Happy Holidays all!

-Oz
oz@pharlap.com
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:06:44 -0500
From:         David Garrod <garrod@ECN.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject:      CBS evening news Thursday 1/7/93

     The CBS evening news tonight is supposed to have a section towards
the end, (in its eye on America section), on fathers fighting for
visitation rights.   My guess is it will be about un-married fathers,
but my source was unclear about this.

David Garrod
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:19:43 EST
From:         Dale Marmaduke <IDQM400@INDYCMS.BITNET>
Subject:      National Groups gets National Attention in Single File

National Group get National attention in Susan Deitz syndicated
column Single File.
The article ...

     Dear Susan:  Noncustodial parents have the same problems as
custodial parents when it come to appealing court rulings.  To
appeal is very costly and not accessible to the average income
family.
     Thus, several children are deprived of a relationship with
their noncustodial parent.  Unless the laws regarding child
support and visitation are established fairly and enforced
equally, there will be no incentive to abide by court orders.
     The Children's Rights Council seeks to educate and advocate
for the children of divorced and separated parents.  The Council
promotes educational activities for parents, policy makers, and
the public, to increase awareness of the issues surrounding
divorced families.
     We also advocate for legislative reform that would
strengthen the family, reduce hostilities betweens parents, and
eliminate the risk of diminished parenting through the loss of a
divorced parent.
     We believe in access enforcement programs, child support
laws that focus on both parents income, and mediation as opposed
to the adversarial court process, -- Ann Danner, President,
Children's Rights Council of Illinois, Pekin, Ill.  61555
(Affiliated with National Children's Rights Council, Washington,
D.C.)

     Dear Ann: I am pleased to give space here to another
advocate of greater equity in child support, mediation and the
divorce process.  Your goals are reasonable, and certainly need
as many supporters as possible.  Glad to have your organization
on board as we move on parallel paths towards the same ends.
Always happy to hear from you.


----------------------------------------------

     True,  we need as many supports as possible.  I hope you
have joined a group to support this cause.

Dale Marmaduke
idqm400@indycms.iupui.edu
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From:         Dale Marmaduke <ITOG400@INDYCMS.BITNET>
Subject:      It will make a difference.

I tend to dissagree.  Our local group has made a
difference having had laws passed and changes
made throught the legislature.

I believe the true leaders in these groups
will win in the end.  They also prevent
things from getting any worse.

The Indiana Supreme court will regret
ignoring the committee.  I have already
called the newspaper asking how the judges
voted and  their reasoning.  How do they
justify ignoring the elected representives when
making law?  I also called the governor
and will call the judges.

Next week I will take lunch over at the
court house and drop by some personal messages.


I am not the best writer or speller, but
I can make them listen.

You can't win if you give up and  you can't win
if you don't try.  At least support a group that
is trying.


Dale Marmaduke
idqm400@indycms.iupui.edu
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From:         Byron=Bollas%HQ%Rational@VINES1.RATSYS.COM
Subject:      Anybody out there....?

I haven't received anything from the list in 2-3 days. I don't know if I've
gotten bumped off again or if there has been very little activity. Insights
anyone..?
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 09:26:45 PST
From:         Michael Condry <Michael.Condry@ENG.SUN.COM>
Subject:      Re: A Case For REAL Equality

Dennis-
        I have been rasing 2 children since 1987 with no support
from my ex-wife (at the end of 1991 my daughter moved in with her
mother by my son still lives with me). Her model 5 years ago was
that I would support the children and after 5 years of school
she would have her PhD and be rich etc.  WELL the 5 years have
past - I don't know if she ever finished her masters. I paid
everything children costs, travel expenses for the children,
etc.
        My ex-wife also had great visitation (she got all the
vacations, including all but 10 days of the summer! and, of course,
I paid the travel expenses for the children.
        The story goes on and on including several court visits to
defend false allegations etc.
        But I think the tide is turning (cross my fingers!)

Advise:
        Make any lawyer only provide a "fair" solution (i.e. one can
use "mother" and "father" interchangably and the rules/benefits/expenses/
visitation time/etc. are all the same).  I feel that this is the only
way your children will not suffer a lot. Judges that don't feel that
way should be thrown out.

Feel free to contact me.
Michael Condry

> From @pucc.Princeton.EDU:FREE-L@INDYCMS.BITNET Mon Jan  4 07:13:19 1993
> Subject:      A Case For REAL Equality
> X-To:         FREE-L%INDYCMS.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU
> To: Multiple recipients of list FREE-L
 <FREE-L%INDYCMS.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU>
>
> I have something to share and would appreciate any/all comments the community
> would like to send. I currently reside in Austin Texas.
>
> My situation is this:
>
> Currently separated, divorce is immenent. We have two daughters, 10 & 8. The 8
> year old lives with her mother, the 10 year old lives with me. The mother left
> me 1 1/2 years ago, the older daughter came to live with me 7 months ago. The
> mother has since moved over 200 miles away to go back to school in Galv.,Tx.
> The mother is asking for child support *AND* spousal support so that she can
> attend the university in Galveston and not have to work!
>
> Here's the kicker, she, her attornee, and everyone else involved (on her side)
> wants child support from me for the 8 year old, but *NOTHING* from her for the
> 10 year old.
>
> I.E., THE MAN SHALL PAY SUPPORT BUT NOT THE WOMAN !!
>
> I am currently changing attorneys and will be addressing these issues again.
 If
> anyone out there has any information concerning spousal support and/or cases
> involving two-way child support, PLEASE SEND IT IN. I would also think that
> this
> is a case  which might interest some attorneys.
>
> Dennis Glover
> (512) 267-7701 H
> (512) 835-3109 W
>
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Subject:      arborist questions

I'm hoping an arborist can give me a little advice on a tree repair.  I have a
100+ year-old Texas Live Oak tree in my yard.  The trunk diameter at breast
height is about 4.5 feet, and the canopy spread is over 60 feet.  Unfortunately,
the tree had been improperly pruned in the past, resulting in decayed wood and
cavities on a large branch.  The branch in question is nearly horizontal, is
20 feet long, is about 10 inches in diameter at mid-point, and has a cavity
about 3 feet long and 5" in diameter at the mid-point.  After cutting a few
decayed and broken branches from this main branch, until I reached live wood,
I was able to scrape a large quantity of decayed and soaked wood from this
cavity--it was soaked from rainwater and was very spongy.  A hole in the
top side of the main branch had let rainwater enter and decay the limb from the
inside.  The outer 2 to 3 inches of the branch diameter is still solid wood.
Finally, my questions:

        1) Is there a light-weight patch I can use to fill the branch
           cavity, instead of using mortar, to reduce the risk of breaking
           the branch.

        2) Should I try sealing the hole completely after it dries out,
           or should I put in a copper drainage tube to prevent any
           accumulation of moisture if the seal leaks.

        3) Is there anything else I should consider?  I don't want to
           remove the branch since it is such a large part of the tree.
           Should I try reinforcing it with a support cable for a few years,
           or possible permanently?  How should I determine if a support
           cable is necessary?  Should I trim back a few of the smaller
           branches to reduce the weight on the main branch?

Thanks for any advice.

Joe Meyer
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