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From: pjotr@ludd.luth.se (Peter Sj|str|m)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:17:22 GMT
Organization: Lule} Tekniska H|gskolas Datorf|rening - Ludd

In <BzKpzA.3op@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:

>I'm not sure if you are talking hardware or software multiple screens,
>but multiple screens is done on the Mac, and perhaps has been since
>it's invention.  It is also done on the PC for I don't know how long.
>It's really not a monumental discovery. 

>If you are talking software, the multiple screen is just an extension
>of the virtual desktop concept.

	He was talking Amiga screens, maybe virtual screens too. I have
never seen anything like Amiga screens on any other computer system. You can
grab the top of a screen and pull it half way down, to reveal another
screen (program running) in maybe a completely different resolution and
bitplane depth. Also the virtual desktop is much nicer on the Amiga since
it scrolls smoothly when you move the mouse towards the edges. Much nicer
than these small icons you can click on (have them on Amiga too) to position
what you see on your virtual desktop.

	The Mac has multiple *monitor* support too, which is something
completely different, and a very nice feature too.

	What really made me buy an Amiga in 91 was when I saw a friend
multitask, drag screens etc on this 'lousy' 7 MHz 68000 Amiga 500. It
was much nicer than the new 386 with Windows I just had become so amazed
over. :) Please try an Amiga out when you get the opportunity!

		/Peter
From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 08:41:21 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec13.041029.9962@sol.cs.wmich.edu> <1992Dec13.063021.28547@usl.edu>
  <Bz6tC4.2zD@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>

>
>I can just see "Windows World":  OOOH, look, this app puts it's icon
>on the left, and..., this one... on the RIGHT!  Ya know, magazines
>review applications, they don't go on and on about the OS EVERY ISSUE.
>
>--Jason Balicki
>kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu

PeeCee Clown owners' jaws slam against the floor at just the idea
of dragging icons and windows around. This is why Windows is such
a mind boggling revolution to them - something Amiga users have been
taking for granted since 1985.  The very idea of their operating
system opening multiple _screens_ would probably make their heads
explode.  

Indeed, look though a recent issue of Windows World. Look at the
reviews and the apps' screenshots. They all look identical! You can't
tell one program from another. Now imagine a bunch of these same-
looking app windows opened atop each other on the same screen.
Well you can do this with WorkBench of course... go into 2.04's or
2.1's or 3.0's preferenes drawer and open every tool you find there.

If DOS machines had had a windowing operating system front end 
for the last 10 years instead of just the last couple, PeeCee
owners wouldn't be creaming their jeans every time they click an
icon or move a window. Hell, anyone's brain would get warped from
having to stare at a DOS prompt for that long. 

Harv
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: shogun@admiral.uucp (Jay Brown)
Subject: The future of the Amiga.
Reply-To: shogun@admiral.uucp (Jay Brown)
Organization: The Grid/Waffle BBS, 203-661-2873, -1279, -0450, -2967
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:35:14 GMT

        This is a general call to all Amigans out there who love their 
machine.  We know that CBM is on the internet, and we know they can read 
these newsgroups.  Employees have posted answering questions.  If there 
is anyone out there who agrees with me then please help me.
        Here's my big problem.  I love the Amiga.  Everyone I know who 
spends time with one wealks away with respect for it.  They always say 
the same thing though, "Great machine it's too bad there are no 
applications oiut there for it."  Now, we can argue saying things like 
"What about Final Copy II, or Wordwordth, or Maxiplan..."  these 
arguments mean nothing, because none of those packages have any where 
near the capability of AmiPro or Microsoft Word or Microsoft Excel.  CBM 
is surviving, but that's not enough.  They aren't really getting any new 
users.  The main reason is because the mainstream applications aren't out 
there for the Amiga, and because Commodore isn't realeasing machines that 
have the same memory or drive space as clones or Macs.  At one point in 
time the Amiga had the best games, now they aren't even as good as 
console games.  I want to play things like Ultima VII or Falcon 3.0.  I 
can't.  I'd like to write a paper with equations.  I can't.  One of the 
reasons that CBM has not been making 80 meg hard drives standard is 
because they perceive no need among current users.  I know tjhat's wrong. 
 you know that's wrong.  Alos, they shouldn't be worried about current 
users as much as new users.  We should not have to do advertising for 
Commodore.  We should however tell them howe theoir current user base 
feels.  Inundate them with mail.  Let them know how we feel.  Get them to 
work with major software houses to get mainstream applications.  That's 
what Apple did to get the Mac mainstream.  I'd like to srr the Amiga 
mainstream too.  Push Commodore.
                Jay Brown

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From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Subject: Re: The A1200 vs. A600
Organization: City University, London
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 18:56:10 GMT

(Peter Mitchell) writes:
>The units are for sale in Canada right now and 
>>should be in the United States, Australia, and other markets very soon.
>>
>
>Of course they may get diverted to meet the demand in Europe. :-)

This sounds like the game of Risk. Maybe Commodore should draft in
some retired Generals to lead the worldwide assault on the home
computer market.

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From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 13 Dec 92 18:28:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: NeoSoft.Bz7nBp.n8
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

In article <1992Dec11.094040.21963@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> miked@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Mike Danielsen) writes:
> working on something else. The Amiga always give the task handling user 
> input high priority over anything else, so the user response never slows
> down no matter how busy the computer is. If I'm downloading files from

Actually, it doesn't. You're thinking of UNIX, which pumps the priority of
I/O bound processes. You *can* get the same effect on the Amiga, but the
scheduler generally does a good enough job you don't *have* to.

> And why should I have to wait for the computer to
> finish downloading, printing a file etc. to do what I want to.

	"Welcome to Amiga -- 100 processes, no waiting"
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   Oletko halannut suttasi t dn d dn?
  'U`    
Tarjoilija, t dm d ateria el d d viel d.
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Saturday, 12 Dec 1992 19:00:53 EST
From: <IO92257@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: _Beyond 2000_ & Amigas & VR

Yes, it was quite impressive!  When they said it
was all done on souped up, hacked Amiga's and that
was why it was so affordable, I freaked!  They
had cybersuits and everything!  It would go
great with BLAZEMONGER!! :)  I'd never leave
my dorm room!
Cutter
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re:  OS/2 vs Win NT
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:49:37 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Dec17.075604.10297@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>In article <71842@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>>
>>P.S. Tell Bill I have some 7-11 coupons I'm not using if he want them.
>
>Could you relate more of this?  I have heard of it, but it is too
>stupid to beleive.
>_Dan

Ok, here we go. Now, the way I heard it may not be entirely acurate
but you'll get the point well enough.

Once upon a time the world's wealthiest bachelor wanted some ice cream.
So he hopped in his zippy car of choice and zipped over to
(insert store here). Upon ariving at the ice cream section he selected
the flavor he wanted and proceded to pay for the ice cream. But here's
the hang up : he had a cupon! But, alas he couldn't find it and proceeded
to search for it. Meanwhile the line was getting very long and filled with
some really pissed off folks. Finally, the guy in line behind Bill
gave him a quarter (the value of the cupon) and said something to the
efect of "You can pay me back when you make your first million", knowing
full well to whom he was speaking.

At least that's the way I heard it.

Ian "Please don't fire me" Kennedy
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki)
Subject: IDG/I's lovely incarnations  was: Dan flipped out, and:
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:01:12 GMT

In article <71609@cup.portal.com> Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:

>Indeed, look though a recent issue of Windows World. Look at the

It actually exists then, eh?  I was just making a stab in the dark
that IDG/I made something like it.

Just love the new "Desktop Viedo World" now too, "IBM, Macintosh and Amiga"
in that order.  How much "Amiga" do you think the'll cover?

>Harv


--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: World of Commodore Toronto
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:31:19 GMT

In article <Paula_Lieberman.07iy@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
>re article by Skip Sauls <1992Dec11.185715.17127@ramsstate.edu> -- Cary
>Wasserman said that when he attempted to import a particular image that was
>something like 1100 X 800 into ADPro, it told him he couldn't because he
>needed 20 MB of RAM and his machine doesn't have that much RAM.

Sorry Paula, I have no idea what you are talking about, an article number
makes about as much sense to me as quoting does to you.

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:12:39 GMT

In article <1gfpooINNjm0@mozz.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>'>>Really, OS/2 2.0's WorkPlace Shell sure seems to blow the hell out of
>'>>the WB2.0 in looking slick and professional.  Whew-ee!
>'>>_Dan
>'>
>'>Wait, you're knocking Workbench 2.0 based *solely* on some
>'>photographs of it!??  At least don't knock it 'till you've
>'>tried it!
>
>	Well, I have used both and I have to agree with Dan.  OS2's WPS looks
>    much more professional then WB2.x.  

Did you use an Amiga with the Workbench as configured by Commodore?  If so,
I am afraid that your experience may have been a bad one as the standard
configuration is indeed very ugly.  As I just recently purchased an A4000,
I had a brief exposure to the horrible standard configuration, but after
a few minutes had it adjusted to my liking.

I understand that OS/2 is also easily customizable and would expect that
most users also quickly dispense with the standard configuration.  In my
admittedly brief experiences with OS/2, the interface too close resembled
Windows for my liking.  The colors were not quite as garish, but overall
it looked and felt more like Windows than anything else.  While this may
be a plus for someone moving up to OS/2 from Windows, I myself find it
to be a negative point.

The Workbench that I currently use looks very little like the screenshots
that plague the manuals and magazines.  I use my own combination of colors,
fonts, icons, window placement, and utilities which I find to be very
comfortable and pleasant to use.  I have also looked at snapshots posted
to the archive sites by others and have borrowed ideas and styles that I
liked.  The amazing thing about the Workbench is how very different each
individual's particular setup can be.  Yet there is enough standardization
to allow another Amiga user to easily find their way around without help.

I invite you to take a look at some of these screenshots and would also
like to view your, Dan, Jerry, and others OS/2 setups.  Most of the Amiga
screenshots are in IFF and should be viewable on any PC with VGA or better.
I do not know what format is most common on the PC, but most Amiga owners
can easily read GIF files and PCX, TIFF, JPEG, and others are also okay.  

There are several Workbench snapshots in the amiga.physik mirrors in the
directories /pix/wb and /pix/wbpic.

>							Greg Greene
>                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:    Falcon Spec's [per Comdex handouts]
Distribution: world
Date: 12 Dec 92 04:08:15 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <Paula_Lieberman.07ha@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
>Oh, would you stop ranting already, Mr. Kelly? I didn't say I could use
>only ONE editor, I said I didn't WANT to use a dozen different incompatible
>editors.  I USED that damned EDLIN. I've USED EMACS.  I've USED the editor
>on a couple of the local PC-clone-based board, and the editor on some other
>local Amiga board.  I'm NOT using JRComm, because I'm NOT going to use it
>without paying the shareware fee, and I'm NOT going to cough up the money
>to do tha while there are other expenses that are more important to be
>paid, and while I have something that -works.  It takes TIME to learn new
>comm programs, my hard drive is full, I'm still on 1.3 [upgrade
>costs.....].. anyway, go pick on somebody else, or better still, stop
>sniping! 

Well, don't expect anyone to know what you are talking about when you
post articles that look for all the world like non sequiturs.


--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root
From: Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Future Amiga chipse
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 16 Dec 92  12:16:02

> Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
> From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
> Message-ID: <BzC0xK.K4J@news.iastate.edu>
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
>
>   I still do not understand why so many people have the idea that putting
> SCSI into the A4000 would have meant a later release date.  Indeed, using

No.  SCSI *II* would have meant a later release date.

> SCSI instead of IDE just might have allowed the A4000 to be released sooner.
> At the very least, it probably would not have meant any difference at all in
> the release date.

If  anything,  it  might  have taken longer, since it would have taken more
time to fit it into the motherboard space constraints.

But  this  is  mostly  a  matter  of marketing.  I think they did the right
thing.  So do most people.

> -!-
> | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
> -!------------------------------------------------

Go away.  Please.  Leave us alone.

 -Dances With Coyotes - World's slowest programer-Given that God is infinate-
 -AKA Dances V2.0, Coyote, Critter, Magnet, Major-and  that  the universe is-
 -- Former Net-Lurker - YES, an AMIGA godammit! --also  infinate,  would you-
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Ezra Story)
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Originator: eas3714@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 beta rel2
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:35:05 GMT

In article  Stephenson Daniel A writes:

> [Dan says the WB2.0 looks *awful*]

Oh... nice of you to point this out.. since you've never USED an Amiga
apparently...duh.  You don't know if it does or not, so be quiet.

> 1) Apps have private screens.  This shoots to hell an enforcement of
> commonality between apps.  What a wild blend of software that designs its
> own interface.  Woo woo.

Apps CAN have private screens.  Big difference, dude...  But you've never
seen an Amiga running 2.0, so how would you know?  Shall we all give a list of
the software that will open on the Workbench screen?... I don't think you'd
have time to read it all.

As for interface design, well... There is a user interface style guide for 2.0
applications, ya know.  A lot of the inconsistent apps you see are throwbacks
to the 1.3 days.  Commonality is NOT based on whether you have separate screens
or not, but on easy to implement, well documented user interface standards.
Something thats in 2.0, but was missing in 1.0->1.3.

But of course you'd never know the advantage to screens, since you've never
used an Amiga.

> 2) It seems beyond me that Amigaworld, *AMIGA*World,wouldn't have shots of the
> Workbench.  Think about it.

Why?  Is everything beyond you?  (hehe)

> What a farce that the Amiga GUI is so irrelevant,
> being some kind of program loader, that it isn't touted.  Sheesh.  You can't
> do that with Windows or OS/2.  The basic structure of windows are all the same.
> You can't help but see the basic of Windows/OS/2 by looking at screen shots of
> Windows or OS/2 screen shots.

You're baseing this on what? How many screenshots of WB you find in the
special games issue of AmigaWorld?  Is THIS the extent of research that goes
into backing up your claims?  Why should I believe anything you say?

> Hopefully, HOPEFULLY, hires and HI color workbenchs are worth using.  And some
> Amigans tout the BLAZING SPEED of the WB?!  Good grief! I sure would hope so,
> to lauch a program to be able to stop looking at it.

Looking at what? A screenshot?... Point is, I'd be bawled out by you if I made
statements like these about Windows/OS/2 based on screenshots from a PC
magazine.  You don't know what the hell you're talking about, please shut the
**** up.  Thank You.

-- 
"THAT is a DRY turtle.  That turtle is NOT moist!"
Ezra Story, a student at RIT, and
eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu, his trusty(?) mailing address.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: trevore@vast.unsw.edu.au (Trevor Elbourne (Supr. Hell) BE)
Subject: Is it Pirating ?
Organization: University of New South Wales
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 11:26:54 GMT

	A question for love of advocating. A few hours ago I set up Parnet.
A bliant piece of PD hardware. And I was playing with it. I hooked up my
A500 with my A3000. Both have Hard drives. So I ran Monkey Island II on the
A500 from the A3000 HD. The I ran it on the A3000. They both ran flawlessly.
Very impressed, I was with what you can do with $20 of wire and two amigaz !
Monkey Island ran a bit too slow on the A500 but that couldn't be because
of the cable. (I just bought the game, I have yet to install 11 disks !! on
the 500 I doubt it). Theoreticaly it's breach of copywrite but is it ?

	George
From: holler@holli.UUCP (Jan Holler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Date: 10 Dec 92 16:07:19 GMT
Organization: private
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <ByuyJ7.G5H@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
> In article <bn.00w5@mndcrme.uoknor.edu> bn@mndcrme.uoknor.edu (Bo Najdrovsky) writes:
> >    Well, holding breath might be a bit too  much,  but  in  Pasadena,	Lew
> >Eggerbrecht made it quite clear that the chip design has been significantly
> >expedited.
> 
[..]
> Commodore's investments in R&D are lower now than they have ever been, and yet
> Commodore's engineers are supposedly going to start cranking out chipsets far
> more quickly than when funding for R&D at Commodore was far higher.  Again,
> what has changed all of a sudden that this is possible?

I would guess they didn't spend much money in development of those stupid
PC-clones anymore. That technic os as old and simple nowadays, just replace
the main uP y86 on the motherboard wih a x86 {x>y} ;-)

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From: 2ftqkiln@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: The Software Hut
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:34:10 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Has anyone  dealt with The Software Hut before?
They have good prices in the back of AW but before 
shelling out $500 for a new Motherboard and $100 for
a HD disk drive I wanted to make sure that nobody had
any niightmare stories to tell about the place.  They seemed
like they were nice on the phone but that doesn't tell me
much.  Any mail replies would be welcome.  Thanks...

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Comic books =)
Date: 19 Dec 92 17:48:02 GMT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

In article <1992Dec19.173641.2301@seas.gwu.edu> gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>>>das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>>>Yeah, and I could sell all my comics and get an Amiga600 to hook upto
>>>>my TV, BUT I'M NOT. 
>>>
>>>Ha, I am considering doing just that--not for an A600, of course.  I'd get
>>>an A1200.  I've got over 1500 comics rotting away at home...
>>
>>hm really?  What do you collect?  I haven't collected in a while, but
>>have a lot of Marvel mutant-type comic from 4-5 years ago.       
>
>It's been years for me, too.  I've got loads of Marvel, DC, and independent
>comics (First Comics, Comico, Eclipse, etc.).  Man, this brings back
>memories...
>
>Anyone interested in a comic book sale?

Well, whatcha got? (briefly)
>-- Gerald


-- 
Dan Stephenson                                         das9674@usl.edu  
"Yes Dan, I have heard of Ultima Underworld.  From my point of view it
 appears to be a rather large stick which you seem to be using to beat
 everbody in this group with." -Mark Steyn, comp.sys.amiga.advocacy