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From: mhuang@zeus.calpoly.edu ( Michael S. Huang (Hunter) )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Commodore at Winter Consumer Electronics Show
Date: 7 Jan 93 07:11:35 GMT
Organization: California State Polytech U., San Luis Obispo, California

Once again, sue@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Sue West - CATS) declares...
: [ This is marginal, but since it's from Commodore, I accepted it.  ]
: [ Readers:  Would you like to continue seeing "publicity" releases ]
: [ like this, or would you rather I rejected them?  Send comments   ]
: [ about comp.sys.amiga.announce to zerkle@cs.ucdavis.edu.  -Dan    ]
: 
: Commodore Features New Amiga Systems with Consumer Multimedia 
: Applications at Consumer Electronics Show

I'd like to see more of this...

mikey
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: griffita@fraser.sfu.ca (David Stuart Griffiths)
Subject: Great feature in 1200 (3.0?)
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:19:50 GMT

There's a great feature that I just discovered in my new A1200.  If
you manage to guru the machine, it displays the flashing guru box on
the screen as usual, but it REBOOTS after 8 seconds!!!!

Wonderfull!  Great!!! Thank-you Commodore!!!  I've been waiting a LONG
time for an Amiga which can recover from a guru error without anyone
clicking the mouse!!!

BBS Operators throughout the world thank you for this one!!!

Now if only I had an AmigaDOS 3.0 manual... Some of the new commands
(IE "RequestChoice" and "RequestFile") seem pretty interesting (but I
don't know how to use them!!!).

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From: ecl014@cbmnl.cbm.nl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Guru timeout in 3.0 (was Re:  Great feature in 1200 (3.0?))
Date: 12 Jan 93 05:56:03 GMT
Organization: R&R Software

The guru timeout of ~8 secs is a 3.0 feature.

For all people who have software out that needs some guru protection and
is still used on old < 3.0 machines drop me a note and I'll mail you my code
to change guru's into resets so it will effectively do the same thing as
3.0 (that is as long as the startup sequence gets to your code :-)

C'ya,

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: kruse@cs.ucf.edu (Holger Kruse )
Subject: Re: ReOrg ever fatally messed up?
Organization: University of Central Florida
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 12:09:28 GMT

In <C0Cyrn.DBz@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:

>Has anyone had ReOrg trash their HD?  I can't afford a decent backup
>method for my HD, but it needs defragmenting.

Be sure to use V2.33. I have received no serious bug reports for that
version yet. But anyway, you REALLY should back up your drive - at least
when you run ReOrg for the first time. And be sure to set ReOrg to
default settings.

Holger Kruse (kruse@eola.cs.ucf.edu)
(programmer of ReOrg)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: m92mmy@tdb.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg)
Subject: Re: Wing Commander Amiga
Organization: Temple Of Wrath
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:39:53 GMT

In article 22459 Mattias Dahlberg writes:
:: Exsqueese me, but just more colours doesn't make games BETTER, it's
:: the SPEED that makes people turn their head.

:I wasn't talking about COLORS I was talking about SPEED. Apparently
:you haven't tried AGA yet. AGA-machines, as I wrote, are 32 bit computers
:with a blitter that works four times faster than on older Amigas. This
:is a fact.

Ok, ok, so you were talking 'speed'.

Right, but I have a feeling people will demand games with 8-bit screens.
Won't this slow down the blitter the same way the ehalfbrite and medres-
modes do on an A500 (i.e pilfer DMA-slots) ???

In article 22456 Markus Juhani Aalto writes:

>Mattias Myrberg writes:

>>Exsqueese me, but just more colours doesn't make games BETTER, it's the SPEED
>>that makes people turn their head.

>You don't think that better and faster processor has nothing to do with
>speed? A1200 has 14Mhz 68020 while A500 has only ~7Mhz 68000.

I'm not sure about this one, so correct me I'm wrong ;^)

If it's the MC68000 that's the bottleneck in games like StarGlider 2
(i.e intensive vector-calculations) then there will be an improvement
in terms of speed. But it could be the blitter, and then of course
you're much better of in this kind of game -they hardly ever use ehalbrite
or (nowadays, I guess) 256-modes :^) . But your average shoot'em up won't
gain much speed with a 68020.

Of course all of the above heavily relies on 'the blitter slowing down
when in 8-bit mode' :^)


/Mattias

_____
Mattias Myrberg

m92mmy@bellatrix.tdb.uu.se
From: I.A.Inman@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A. Inman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Why are they ignoring the Amiga?
Date: 10 Jan 93 14:58:35 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU
Originator: n08dp@tuda


In article <stefan.35w3@terapin.com>, stefan@terapin.com (Stefan Eguizabal) writes:
> From an Amiga user (and lover) to anyone:
>         Why is it that all the big PC and Macintosh devolopers seem to be
> ignoring the Amiga? Don't big companies like Microsoft, Claris, Lotus, and
> Cricket realize what a treasure a community like the Amiga is? Many Amiga users
> are desperate for good productivity software, and yet are adamant about not
> going over to IBM or Apple, because the Amiga is definitely the superior
> computer. I am one of those. If Microsoft came out with Word or Excel today, I
> would go out and buy it, no matter how much it cost, because programs like
> Professional Calc (Gold Disk), and MaxiPlan (The Disc Comapany) are like big
> jokes...they're really pathetic! Somebody, please, you've got to know!

The only way to convince, say Microsoft to do this would be to convince them that
there would be sufficient return.

If such companies would wake up to the size of the European Amiga market, I think
they would soon change their minds.
From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for 3DO info
Date: Fri,  8 Jan 93 16:01:50 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

*he 3DO Company is located at
1820 Gateway Dr.
Sam Mateo, CA
phone 415.574.6789.
There is a 3 page article about the company and
its product in the Multimedia World (a PC World Special Section) beginning
on page 39. This magazine is dated Feb 1993.
I dont know where to tell you to find it... it was being
handed out for free at CES/Vegas.
The magazine is located at 501 2nd St.,
San Francisco CA 94107
ph- 415.267.1709 or fax- 415.281.3915.
I haven't seen any other press on 3DO yet
except for the press kit and this magazine but someone
I overheard said it got mentioned in connection with CES
in the Wall St. Journal in the last day or three.

Rregads, Harv
From: c92caren@IDA.LiU.SE (Dingbats)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Workbench, icons and scripts
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:11:27 GMT
Organization: CIS Dept, University of Linkoping, Sweden

In article <1993Jan10.143723.25485@sth.frontec.se> bjst@sth.frontec.se (Bjorn Stenberg) writes:

>   Being a close-minded CLI hacker for long, I haven't quite done my homework
>   on WB2.1. I realize this is an easy one, but what am I to do... <blush>

>   I have this game in a drawer with a TOOL icon starting the executable binary
>   file. I can rename the .info file to start whatever executable I want, 
>   but I cannot have it start a script file. Why not?
Script files cannot be started from WB directly...

>   I'm thinking of two possible answers:

>   A) Script files should have PROJECT icons and the tool 'execute'.
>      Following question: How do I create a PROJECT icon, preserving the icon
>      image of the TOOL icon.
Yepp, and nope, scripts should have PROJECT icons, but the tool should
be 'IconX'. Just fire up iconedit, drag the TOOL icon to it's window
and select PROJECT from the icon type menu...
If you don't want the stupid IconX window, just add 'WINDOW=NIL:' as a
tooltype...

>   B) Some sort of setup in the Information requester. TOOLTYPE or whatever.
>      I have the SRWED flags set, so that's not the problem.
One tooltype you could use is CLI, which makes the little execute
window pop up with the name of your script (or what ever...) in it. In
that case the icon should ofcource be a TOOL.
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From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Great feature in 1200 (3.0?)
Date: 10 Jan 1993 23:18:33 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu

In article <C0oAxF.JHE@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu writes:
:In article <griffita.726704390@sfu.ca>, griffita@fraser.sfu.ca (David Stuart Griffiths) writes...
:>There's a great feature that I just discovered in my new A1200.  If
:>you manage to guru the machine, it displays the flashing guru box on
:>the screen as usual, but it REBOOTS after 8 seconds!!!!
 
:>Wonderfull!  Great!!! Thank-you Commodore!!!  I've been waiting a LONG
:>time for an Amiga which can recover from a guru error without anyone
:>clicking the mouse!!!
:> 
:>BBS Operators throughout the world thank you for this one!!!

:Yes, that's a wonderful feature.  

:Unfortunately, I suspect most bbs sysops, like myself, aren't using
:the 1200 because it doesn't have a darned clock!!!

:Any sysop knows how important a clock is for a bbs.

Anyone know if this feature is on the A4000?


:Jim Graham 
:
:        -> ->Disclaimer: I do not speak for my company. <- <-
:                          Neither do they speak for me.
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	Thanks
	Robert Fentiman

UseNet: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu
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From: jfriesne@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Jeremy Friesner!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Great feature in 1200 (3.0?)
Date: 11 Jan 93 03:23:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.43302
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <C0o47s.6D2@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>In article <griffita.726704390@sfu.ca> griffita@fraser.sfu.ca (David Stuart Griffiths) writes:
>>Wonderfull!  Great!!! Thank-you Commodore!!!  I've been waiting a LONG
>>time for an Amiga which can recover from a guru error without anyone
>>clicking the mouse!!!

>>BBS Operators throughout the world thank you for this one!!!

>   I know some other people who would be greatful for this: cable operators.
>Amigas are uses to produce the Preview Guide that is carried by many local
>cable systems, and I don't know how many times I have turned over to the
>Preview Guide and seen the infamous GURU flashing. 

Yes, I agree.  Didn't GOMF or some other utility perform this
function already?  Not that Preview Guide people are likely to have
UseNet access or PD knowledge...

>Having the automatic
>reboot from the GURU would make the Amiga a bit more acceptable for other kinds
>of automated on-air uses.		   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I'd like to petition that the above phrase be changed to 
"even more ideal" -- the phrase "a bit more acceptable"
should be only used in sentences such as "MS-Windows
makes the PC platform a bit more acceptable as a multi-
media platform."   :-)


>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>"No, I just think that a computer grafted on top of another computer
>is a kludge.  It has nothing to do with the AGA chipset." -- me


Unless they ever get an AGA plug-in board out, I can't think
of any Amiga that this applies to... perhaps you refer to
the BridgeBoard?

Jeremy
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From: Tony-Preston@cup.portal.com (ANTHONY FRANCIS PRESTON)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Accelerators/FAST RAM for A1200s?
Date: Wed,  6 Jan 93 07:55:53 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan04.184345.23839@zds-oem.zds.com> <1993Jan6.004919.8823@eskimo.com>

There really is not a lot of difference in speed for an A1200 between
one with 32 bit memory(68020 & 32 bit memory) and a 68030 system, you
should just get the MBX1200, it is a better choice for the price.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Notebook
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 16:07:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.170752.6055@tc.fluke.COM> kurt@tc.fluke.COM (Kurt Guntheroth) writes:
>clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>>
>>Anyone heard of a program called Notebook and/or have anything
>>to say about it?  It's a utility where you can record notes,
>>and organize them.  I think it's by Black Belt.  My husband
>>is looking for a birthday present for me.  I know...  Too
>>close to Christmas, and he hasn't even paid the Mastercard
>>yet!  :-)
>
>I have black belt's Notebook.  It is a program that is almost sooooo cool...
>
>The idea of Notebook is a little tool to replace an engineer's notebook or
>some such thing.  You can type text into it, and draw pictures.  You can
>make bookmarks and go rapidly to the bookmark, like a section in the book.
>And it's all got a cool wysiwyg interface.
>
>I stopped using Notebook after a week and never picked it back up.  I really
>wanted to work with this tool, but it was just too hard.  Now I'll have to
>build the same tool over again and try to overcome its weaknesses.  What a
>hassle.

  I picked up a demo on wuarchive in /systems/amiga/incoming/demos
  that a nice person uploaded for me to see.  I wasn't too impressed.
  I guess what I was looking for was more of an electronic Day-Runner
  organizer with calendar and address book, and note section.

  Thanks anyway,

  Clare
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: Edward_Swatschek@mindlink.bc.ca (Edward Swatschek)
Subject: Re: Question -- how to make bootable FFS floppy under 2.04
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 08:36:41 GMT

> Charles Wahl writes:
>
> ...
>
> Since I am still floppy-bound, it would be nice to have a boot disk
> which is FFS, but I don't know how to go about making a boot disk unless
> you have a bootable disk to copy (which was the technique I always used
> under 1.3).  The manual only says "A bootable disk is one that contains
> the files the Amiga needs to start operation" (p. 1-40), but that is not
> the whole story, obviously, because copying everything on my 2.04 boot
> disk onto a FFS formatted disk still results in a non-bootable disk (I
> didn't use DiskCopy, since that would just give me an OFS boot disk).
>


   After formatting the disk, you need to use the INSTALL command to place a
bootblock on it. (ie: install df0: ) You can now copy over the files to this
disk and it should boot properly.


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From: clemon@lemsys.UUCP (Craig Lemon VE3XCL)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: WorkBench 2.1?
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 12:02:40 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Private UUCP "Twig" Node
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00

In article <1ic777INNfu6@mercury.kingston.ac.uk>, Vlod Kalicun writes:

> I.A.Inman@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A. Inman) writes:
> : 
> : Am I missing something here?
> : 
> : I thought Commodore went straight from WB2.04/2.05 to WB3.0.
> : 
> : This version of WB never appeared in Britain.
> : 
> : What the hec is WB2.1?
> : 
> 
> I think it was a beta version of WB3 sent to developers so they can make
> sure their progs work under the new opsys.

        No, AmigaDos v2.1 is quite real and been discussed to death in all
of these newsgroups.  Where were you? :-)  As a matter of fact, there are
presently several active thread concerning 2.1.  I bought 2.1 at the latest
World of Commodore Show in Toronto, Ontario Canada.  See...

8.DH0:> version                                  
Kickstart version 37.175, Workbench version 38.35
8.DH0:>

        2.1 is WB release 38.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: mike@rahul.net (Mike Smithwick)
Subject: Re: Virtual Reality Laboratories Newsletters: Anyone getting them?
Organization: a2i network
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:04:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.170234.5771@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>
>  I used to get newsletters.  But I figure since I haven't
>  upgraded, or anything, they might have given up.  Anyway I
>  still have Distant Suns 3.1 and about the only thing I did
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That's amazing! What service! Even I didn't have 3.1!   ?:-)

>  Try contacting them again, and telling them you're interested
>  in upgrading!
>
>  Clare
Mike


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From: slhmz@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Great feature in 1200 (3.0?)
Date: 10 Jan 93 19:59:06 MDT
Organization: Utah State University
Summary: Marc, Marc, Marc...
Reply-To: slhmz@cc.usu.edu
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy

In article <C0o47s.6D2@news.iastate.edu>, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
> ---
> | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> "No, I just think that a computer grafted on top of another computer
> is a kludge.  It has nothing to do with the AGA chipset." -- me


 Does this mean that you think that nearly every computer today is a kludge?

  A1000 - A500 - A2000 - A2500 - A3000 - A600 - A1200 - A4000
  Mac   - Mac+ - MacSE - MacII - MacIIx - MaxIIci - etc.....
  286 - 386sx - 386dx - 486sx - 486dx - etc...
  
 All these computers are "grafted" on top of each other.  What's your point?

 Followups to .advocacy.  Please keep .misc "clean", Marc...

--
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From: tdenbo@eis.calstate.edu (Tom Denbo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: WHY DirOpus when there are Just as good PD ones?
Date: 9 Jan 93 15:58:09 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

jmrg9881@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid) writes:
> tdenbo@eis.calstate.edu (Tom Denbo) writes:
> 
> >I can tell why I bought DOpus.  SID wouldn't run under 2.04
> 
> SID ran under 2.04 for me, and is currently running under 2.1.

I mean the version before SID2.  SID2 works fine on 2.04 & 2.1.  The older
version crashed regularly under 2.04.  That's why I needed another dirutil.

Tom Denbo
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: WorkBench 2.1?
Date: 8 Jan 93 07:56:03 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <C0Fx9D.1Jn@newcastle.ac.uk> I.A.Inman@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A. Inman) writes:
>
>Haven't seen anything of WB2.1 over in Britain, obvoiusly ain't been released
>here.
>
>Sounds a hec of a lot better than the crappy WB2.04/2.05.   Just a couple of
>questions:
>
>1) Any chance of Commodore releasing WB2.1 in Britain, or do we have to wait for
>   WB3.1?

Here in Europe it always takes some additional time for upgrades to hit
the streets, it should be RSN.

>2) Are there any British importers?

Commodore UK will do it, of course.

>4) Is it true you Americans have a cut down version of the A600, I think called
>the A300 - there's half a hint of this in the A600 manuals?

No, the A300 was the name of the now called A600 during development. To rename
it was a last-minute decision. Precisely, we got our prototype A600 for
testing in a box labelled A300. And on the main board of the A600, you
probably still find this A300 marking.

>5) If 3.1 is to be released, will this mean AGA being included in the A600 and
>A3000, and if so, will current users be able to upgrade
>(A500/A600/A2000/A2500/A3000)?

No. 3.1 will be a software. To put AA into older models would need a complete
redesign of the software, a motherboard swap. No guarantee that this will
happen. But to run 3.0 or 3.1, you don't necessarily need the AA chips.

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