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From: rns@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Robert Noel STURROCK)
Subject: Re: Save Vic!
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 07:04:31 GMT

crmilton@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Christopher Robert MILTON) writes:

>Where do you hear such rubbish? Obviously the Union mis-information campaign
>is doing wonders. The PTC is already running better (trams more frequently and
>on time) under the Liberals. And so what if we lost public transport (even 
>though I *do* use it) - the public transport system loses 6 million dollars
>a day! That's $6 million which everyone loses, not just these "rich" people
>you feel so strongly against. You can thank Labour for selling our trains and
>then leasing them back off Japan for this huge daily loss.

Many of us do recognise the fault of Labour.  I was not aware that the
original poster expressed support for Labour.  You merely took it that his
critism of the present Liberal government implied this.

>>          enterprises for better growth. It beats me how the
>>          government is creating jobs by putting more people
>>          on the dole.

>	Unfortunately, like *ANY* business, when the State is going broke staff
>are cut back. It's as simple as that.

I don't agree with this.  Simply making cut-backs is no garauntee that things
will improve.  The *source* of the problem first needs examination.  Is
the source of Victoria's (and indeed Australia's) current woes an excess
of employment?

>	Well, if it's on a one-way road to chaos I imagine it was on a one-way
>road to oblivion under Labour.

The liberals now carry the baton.

>>          How about petitions to the government to stop our
>>          schools from being closed ? Letters to Mr. Kennett
>>          stating that you will never vote for them again;
>>          either state or federal - they only hear the polls

>	Where were all you people (and the Unions) when Labour was wrecking the
>State - you seemed perfectly happy to sit along for the ride into hell then!

I for one, was not perfectly happy.  I think you grossly overestimate
the strength of the unions.  You seem to be of the opinion that they have
some sort of special relationship with Labour; when in fact the Cain
Labour government put a great deal of effort into dismantling and
weakening the unions in Victoria.


Rob
Newsgroups: aus.religion
From: chrisa@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (C. G. Albone)
Subject: Re: Images, Mary, Saints
Organization: /etc/organization
Distribution: aus
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 12:25:27 GMT

In article <jhb.724573019@monet> jhb@maths.su.oz.au (John Brownie) writes:
>I'm back from holiday, and there are 53 messages in this group...
>I'll be selective in what I try to respond to.
>
>
>I don't follow the reasoning here.  Are you saying that an unborn baby
>is subject to sin because it is borne by a sinful person?  If I grant
>you that, I could see how you would get that Mary would be without sin
>during the time of her pregnancy.  How does it follow that Mary would
>be without sin for the rest of her life?  If it was necessary that Mary
>be without sin in bringing up Jesus, would not also Joseph have to be
>without sin?

If it is required that the mother/parents of a baby need to be free of
sin for the baby to be sinless that would seem to imply that Mary's
parents were also free of sin, and theirs and theirs etc... and where
does it stop? adam and eve having a child before the fall that we werent
told about? I am not sure it really makes any sense to argue over whethre
Mary was sinful or not. How does it effect us now? More  importantly I guess
is how do we know? We can speculate I guess... but we are neither God nor
Mary, and I guess that makes it difficult to _know_ one way or the other.

CHris.


Newsgroups: aus.religion
From: house@helios.usq.EDU.AU (ron house)
Subject: Infallibility & women priests
Organization: University of Southern Queensland
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:31:22 GMT

I am curious about how supporters of women priests reconcile this with
the infallibility of the bible, which states that women should not teach
in church.  Is there any reconciliation possible, or is the bible no longer
considered infallible?

--

Ron House.                 USQ
(house@helios.usq.edu.au)  Toowoomba, Australia.
From: andrewb@fgh.fgh.oz.au (Andrew Buchanan)
Newsgroups: aus.religion
Subject: Re: Mary
Date: 21 Dec 92 09:44:19 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: FGH Decision Support Systems Pty Ltd, N. Sydney, NSW, Aus.

In article <1992Dec16.160516.165384@dstos3.dsto.gov.au> bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au writes:
>
>BUT I have noted that the definite article is (apparently arbitrarily) left
>out in connection with other nouns in the greek text.  Is there a Greek
>scholar on the net who can further enlighten me on this ? 

	According to Zerwick (the title of whose book escapes me) the
	article emphasises the definiteness of a thing, the lack of article
	the quality.  Thus 'the law' refers to a particular law (e.g. the
	Torah), whereas 'law' refers to the principle of law (a useful
	distinction in Romans and Galatians).  According to Zerwick, it is
	notable when a concrete noun has no article (e.g. law), or when an
	abstract noun has an article (e.g. 'the faith').  Not that any such
	rules are absolutes, of course.

	An example (of my own invention) is Romans 5:3-4, which has articles
	as follows (from memory):
	    
	    "the suffering produces perseverance, the perseverance character,
	    the character hope"
	
	It may be Paul is saying, "the suffering which belongs to you produces
	the quality of perseverance, the specific perseverance which as a
	result belongs to you produces the quality of character, and the
	particular character you have developed produces the quality of
	hope".  Or there may be other and better explanations!  I've done
	2 years of Greek at a theological college, so 'scholar' is a fair
	exagerration!

	At any rate, Zerwick's thesis is consistent with the theory about
	'the Holy Spirit' vs 'Holy Spirit'.
-- 
Andrew Buchanan				| andrew@fgh.fgh.oz.au
FGH Decision Support Systems Pty Ltd	| ..!uunet!fgh.fgh.oz.au!andrew
From: sjm@cocamrd.mel.cocam.oz.au (John Machin)
Newsgroups: aus.mail
Subject: Re: e-mail to (former) Soviet Union
Date: 22 Dec 92 08:03:30 GMT
Organization: Co-Cam Computer Group, Oz

In article <1607@rand.mel.cocam.oz.au> I wrote:
>
>I am trying to send e-mail to a student group in the (former) Soviet Union.
>The address I have is of the form
>
>	user@host.locality.su
>
>Unfortunately using this form caused the message to
>end up at Sydney University, and be flung back with an "unknown host/domain"
>message.

Thanks to the following people for sage advice:

	David Bellamy <bellamy@commerce.uq>
	David Keegel <djk@melba.bby.com.au>
	Vlad Soukhanovsky <phvas@marlin.jcu.edu.au>
	s892024@minyos.xx.rmit (Richard A. Muirden [GA])
	kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz)
	jimbo@mhs (James Davidson)

Best regards,

-- 
John Machin
c/o Jacques Martin Industry
100 Drummond St, Carlton, Victoria 3053, Australia
Phone: +61-3-667-9714 Fax: +61-3-667-9433 ACSNet: sjm@cocam.oz.au

" ... there is no finite line of demarcation which limits the powers
of the Analytical Engine" -- Ada Augusta, Countess of Lovelace
From: Arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au (Arthur Marsh)
Newsgroups: aus.mail
Distribution: world
Subject: email to dsto
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:11:48 +1000

Has anyone had success recently emailing anyone at
goose.dsto.gov.au ?

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(8:7000/8)
From: awalton@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: aus.mail
Subject: Re: email to dsto
Date: 27 Dec 92 13:49:36 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation

In article <724804210.AA00681@cswamp.apana.org.au>, Arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes:
> Has anyone had success recently emailing anyone at
> goose.dsto.gov.au ?

Try aeg.dsto.gov.au -- that address is more likely to work.

Andrew
Newsgroups: aus.films
From: brent@socs.uts.edu.au (Disco Inferno Curtis)
Subject: Re: Sneakers - Showing where?
Reply-To: brent@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Date: 23 Dec 92 06:41:44 GMT

cameron@aussie.enet.dec.com () writes:


 >I'm not familiar with theatres as I rarely go to the movuies...
 >Can anyone tell me if Sneakers is showing anywhere in Sydney at the moment?

Greater Union:
	george street, city
	parramatta
	mosman

                Brent.

-----------------------------------------------
"Everybody's happy now,   |   Brent Curtis
 Everybody's singing,     |   School of CompSci
 Everybody's happy man,   |   UTS
 We're bulletproof."      |   New South Wales
From: RWG@buc.edu.au (Rod Griffin)
Newsgroups: aus.games
Subject: ftp sites
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 05:39:42 GMT
Organization: Ballarat University College
NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.132.8.8

Is there anygood ftp sites for games around? Let me know please
Rod Griffin                                "I hate Illinois Nazis"
Finance Section                             - Blues Brothers
Ballarat University College
Gear Ave
Mt Helen
Victoria 
Australia 3350
From: champs@hhcs.gov.au
Newsgroups: aus.games.roleplay
Subject: Help with Pools of Darkness
Date: 2 Jan 93 19:30:25 +1100
Organization: Aust. Dept. Health, Housing and Community Services

Help!

Has anyone out there completed Pools of Darkness?
If so, how do I get past the huge black iron wall in Bane's Land(dark Phlan)?
I've been round and round Bane's land until I could tell you how many blades
of grass aren't growing in the main square and I can't find any way to get
past that damn iron wall!!!!!!

Send help soon!!!
Bye for now.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    /\       Steven Champness
   /  \      Dept Health Housing and Community Services
  /    \     Brisbane Queensland
 /      \     via
/   /    \   Canberra Australia
\  / /   /
 \/ / / /    MACINTOSH SOFTWARE AXIOM : If you need a manual to operate it
  \/ / /                                it wasn't designed properly in the
   \/ /                                 first place !
    \/
From: Jason.Kisielis@f513.n635.z3.fidonet.org (Jason Kisielis)
Newsgroups: aus.games.roleplay
Subject: W40K
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 19:46:14

  I dont play W40K as often as I would like but this was the game that
introduced me to the hobbies of Games Workshop. The first thing you'll need is
the Rogue Trader which is an aged but needed rule book for this game. Since
this game has been out for a while there are four other rulebooks.
W40K Compilation. THis has lots of articles on new equipment and rules for
W40K. 
W40K Compendium. Basically the same as the compilation but even newer rules
etc.
W40K Battle Manual. Has all new Close combat rules. As I said the game is
fairly old and these new rulebooks offer new alternatives on playing tha game.
You do need the Rogue trader though.
W40K Vehicle Manual. Has great new rules for using the ever expanding range of
vehicles. Includes these great new targeting systems.
.
  On what forces you should buy first you first have to decide which force you
want. I suggest Space Marines. If you sellect this force there is a box which
contains 30 plastic marines with seperate arms and weapons and is fairly fun to
put together and paint. Its also a good box to start with because it is cheaper
than the lead figures. I can get the box from England for around $43 and that
includes posting and handling. The box here cost about $60 which is murder . If
you decide to send over to England for the game etc as long as you dont order
over 90 pounds you dont have to pay customs> So dont be fooled by those fools
at Mind Games etc cause they're full of shit.
  I myself prefer lead Marines because they are of better quality. There is a
few such boxes of them such as Strike Force and tatical Squad or you can also
buy them in blister packs. What you really need to do is tell me which force
you are interested in and I'll tell you every possible box and a few men and
there prices. If you like I can even send you a price list.
I hope to hear from you soon.
.
By the way I tryed to get in on The Forbidden Planet BBS and the phone wouldnt
connect. I'll probaly try again soon.

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From: Dainis.Bertuzzi@f251.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Dainis Bertuzzi)
Newsgroups: aus.games.roleplay
Subject: Miniature Games
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 15:13:00

Just a note following the previous message - if you have information to send
 me, whether it be on Ultramarines, Blood Angels marines, Eldars, army lists
on
anything.... please send it to PO.BOX 1071 LALOR... If you would like, send me
 a netmail message....

                                    Dainis...


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From: jason@sorokin.anu.edu.au (Jason Andrade)
Newsgroups: aus.games.roleplay
Subject: Fantasy Collector Artwork cards
Date: 23 Dec 92 11:53:15 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.12
Summary: Who's interested ?
Keywords: cards,fantasy,artwork

A friend has asked me to post this request for him since he doesn't have internet access..:

He's interested in talking to / swapping fantasy art cards .. I've seen a few.. they look
like the cards TSR sells tho different companies ahve differing levels of artwork/quality.

If you're interested (and in melbourne i guess...) give him a ring on 723-7185 and ask for
Craig.

you could email me and i'll try and forward email to him (via sneakernet..)

thanks,

-jason

P.S Apologies for weird width. its hard to remember to stay in < 80 columns when you're in
132 at home ...
-- 
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| Jason Andrade                                  |
| InterNet: jason@coombs.anu.edu.au              |
|           jason@montebello.ecom.unimelb.edu.au |
From: Dainis.Bertuzzi@f251.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Dainis Bertuzzi)
Newsgroups: aus.games.roleplay
Subject: Games Workshop Games
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 10:37:00

Hello Jason,

    I am new to the miniatures world and more specifically the 40K world as I
 only got the rules book about a week ago and finished reading it yesterday
 (Monday). I would like to start up an Ultramarines army and my brother who I
 played my first game against would like a Blood Angels army. The models are
 quite expensive and so we made do with toy soldiers. We were a bit unprepared
 for our first game and so it took us ages even though, to start, we had only
 15 men a side! Anyway, what I need is an army list. I was talking to a friend
 a couple of days ago and he said I should get one, I think to decide properly
 what army I am interested in starting up. Could you possibly help me in this
 situation?? I don't know of any Clubs in my area so I have to turn here to
ask
 for help..You mentioned that you had :

JK> W40K I have around 60 space marines and terminaters and a land raider.

Are they fully painted? Sounds like a neat army.. I got the book Warhammer
 40,000 Rougue Trader. The guy I was talking to said that they had brought out
 revised rules to this which makes it easier to play in the long run. Which
 rules do you go by?? One last question - It mentions nothing about
terminators
 in the Rogue Trader book. So how do I go about finding out about them? My
 brother is dying to include them in his next army as he hopes to blow me and
 my band of men off the table (again!). Anyway, that'll be all for now..

                                    Dainis..


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From: Alan.Sawyer@f253.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Alan Sawyer)
Newsgroups: aus.games.roleplay
Subject: Tw2000
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 16:21:01

Oh,Thanks for the advice on Trade wars 2000 as I play that too but I ment
Twilight 2000 actually.
Cya!


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From: Noam.Shifrin@f382.n634.z3.fidonet.org (Noam Shifrin)
Newsgroups: aus.games.roleplay
Subject: Tw2000
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:30:00

AS>Anybody out there played tw2000?
I play it all the time, dude!
 AS>What do you think of it?
I reckon it's pretty cool but I'm getting a bit tired of it. (I reckon
modems aren't supposed to be used for playing games, you can do th
t offline!)
AS>Any body out there got any hints or cheats?
Umm can't think of any cheats although a tip does come to mind: Put a
planet in a private sector. I.e. one where there is only one warp lane
out of there. So no-one will pass through and you can build it up in
peace and quiet.
                                               Catcha around,
                                               Noam S.

  OLX 2.1 TD  Unable to locate Coffee -- Operator Halted!
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From: bent@concept.Aus.Sun.COM (Mark Broadbent - SE - NSW)
Newsgroups: aus.games.roleplay
Subject: SSI AD&D computer games and others
Date: 4 Jan 93 00:14:22 GMT
Reply-To: bent@concept.Aus.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: concept.aus.sun.com

As I remember, Secret of the Silver Blades and then Pools of Darkness are the
sequels to Pool of Radiance and Curse of the Azure Bonds.

To make this relevant to the [Rr]oleplay (;-) newsgroup, SSI have been taking
liberties with AD&D monsters. ie Noble Rakshasa are immune to 1st to 8th (inclusive)
spells in Eye of the Beholder.  My DM in a high level campaign decided that this
is an excellent idea.


Not so long ago, there was discussion about a German roleplaying system
I can't remember the full name but it was about the Dark ages  ( ... Schwarz ... )
Now in the computer shops I see "Darklands" a computer RPG from Germany which
sounds very similar.

Mark Broadbent
Newsgroups: aus.games.roleplay
From: uli@aida.intellektik.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Ulrich Grepel)
Subject: Re: DSA (explanation?)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:52:25 GMT
Organization: TH Darmstadt

In article <1992Dec15.001357.90824@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>, lsc124j@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
|> Ummmm okay, Das Schwarze Auge.
|> 
|> This is the main German-language  RPG and is supposed to be very playable. I
|> haven't played it myself, it has very pretty pre-printed character sheets :-)

Sorry, but I just have to comment about that. DSA might be the most popular
(i.e. most used) fantasy rpg in Germany, but it is not the best. In it's
starting kits it is a quite simple game without too much complexity in
the rules. I like Midgard much more, and so do many rpg'ers in Germany 
that have reached a few years more than 14 or so. And even some of the
younger ones.

Uli
From: Dainis.Bertuzzi@f251.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Dainis Bertuzzi)
Newsgroups: aus.games.roleplay
Subject: Miniature Games
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 12:51:00

Here I am again!

    I have the Rogue Trader book and have finished reading it. You mentioned
 in your last message the four other books available. Are any of them
essential
 to playing the game?? If they aren't I think I'll give them a miss.
    I want to play Space Marines. Particularly the Ultramarine chapter (while
 my brother wants the Blood Angels chapter). What is the name of the box which
 contains 30 plastic marines with seperate arms and weapons? Could you please
 send me any information you have for the two chapters above, including box
 names, prices and other general info.? A price list would also be great..

                                       Talk to you soon,
                                            Dainis..

PS. Have you been trying to get on TFP BBS?? I've heard a couple of times that
 the modem won't pick up the caller when he/she calls about 5 or 6 times in a
 row trying to get on. Do you have a 9600?? Anyway, it seems we may have to go
 by messages.. No problems..

BTW - Merry Christmas and have a good start to '93 if I don't speak to you
 before then... Seeya Later.......


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From: Scott.Pitcher@f395.n634.z3.fidonet.org (Scott Pitcher)
Newsgroups: aus.games.roleplay
Subject: Computer RPGs
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 08:59:00

Hi,
has anyone here played any of the SSI RPGs. I've got Pool of Radiance (am
currently playing it), and Curse of the Azure Bonds. What comes next?

Scott.
 
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From: Andrew.Finegan@f154.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Andrew Finegan)
Newsgroups: aus.games
Subject: Help on Manhunter 1
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 21:08:00

Hi Everybody,

I was playing one of my old games, Manhunter New York, and I seem to be stuck.
This is the situation. I am on Day 2, and have been through the park and have
the crowbar and have seen Harvey Osborne's body, and have seen Anna Osborne in
the nightclub when I got past the thugs in the alley. I can't get into the
Museum either. 

Could somebody help me?

Thanx,
Fin

PS: Could someone tell me what to do in Trinity Chuch?

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Newsgroups: aus.wanted
From: sunderl@obvius.stl.dec.com (Mike Sunderland)
Subject: TABLE TENNIS TABLE (Perth) - Before Christmas.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 05:36:10 GMT


WANTED before Christmas - not interested after that.

         **** 1 table tennis table ****

If you have one to sell, phone (09) 399-2197 and ask for Ross or Donna.

I am posting this for a friend, so respond to me only if you have no luck with
the above.

--

Mike Sunderland			sunderland@obvius.stl.dec.com
Customer Support Centre
Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty Ltd
Sydney Australia
From: cm@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Charles Meo)
Newsgroups: aus.wanted
Subject: XT Hard Disk wanted
Date: 24 Dec 1992 13:53:28 +1100
Organization: Solbourne Computer Australia
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au

Hi all,

Does anyone have a working XT hard disk of 40 MB or better for sale? I have an
ancient XT/286 on loan to relatives and the HDD died. I'd like to keep
the old soldier in the field if I can. Any reasonable price tags will be 
considered.

Preference will be given to Melbourne but I can arrange for things to 
be shipped from Sydney.

Chuck
-- 
Chuck Meo
Solbourne Computer Australia
cm@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
'SYS5R4: One Size Fits Nobody'
From: martins@mulgulgum.asis.unimelb.EDU.AU (Martin Sheldon)
Newsgroups: aus.wanted
Subject: SCO Unix
Date: 22 Dec 1992 03:51:18 GMT
Organization: Melbourne University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mulgulgum.asis.unimelb.edu.au
Keywords: SCO


I'm after a package of SCO Unix which includes:
  
  Base unix with unlimited users licence
  System development software
  TCP/IP Runtime and Development

Please give me an offer.

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  Information Technology Services         Phone:   (03) 344 5731 BH
                                                   (03) 527 1025 AH 
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From: andrew@vulcan.anu.edu.au (Andrew Slater)
Newsgroups: aus.wanted
Subject: Accommodation(Canberra)
Date: 3 Jan 93 07:43:52 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.20.13
Summary: Accommodation wanted (Canberra)
Keywords: Accommodation Canberra

I am looking for a garden flat/townhouse close to ANU for a couple.
Preferably availability starting at latest mid-February.
Please send information/replies to Andrew.Slater@vulcan.anu.edu.au
Thanks,
Andrew.