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From: erussell@dvorak.amd.com (Ed Russell)
Subject: Re: Skate Prague and Skate Canada results?
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 17:14:22 GMT

In article <80950006@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com> abby@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Abby Grossman) writes:
>
>I don't know much, but I spoke to Rudy Galindo's coach on Saturday.  Rudy got 
>the silver medal, I think.  He got either 4th or 5th in the short, and 1st or
>2nd in the long.  (I think he won the long, but am not sure).
>

Has Rudy remained an Amateur skater?  Last time I saw him was at Dublin
Iceland, shortly after the Yamaguchi-Galindo team split up.  It was a real
pleasure seeing him skate the public sessions there once every now and then.	

===========================================================================

Ed Russell
From: jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Joe Kaplenk)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Helmets and axels
Keywords: xxx
Date: 23 Oct 92 17:02:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: lucpul.jkaplenk.719859773
Organization: Loyola University Chicago

In <1998@sousa.ltn.dec.com> gibian@talent.ljo.dec.com (Marc S. Gibian) writes:


>Last winter my daughter started ISIA lessons starting with no skating
>experience.  ISIA, or at least those people running the program at
>our rink, strongly recommended helmets for students below a particular
>level.  Most parents complied and most times the rink was a sea of
>helmet-ed kids.  On the other hand, when we have watched the top tier
>freestyle students in their sessions, I have never seen a helmet.  I
>have seen one girl in particular who was just starting serious jumps
>stuff foam padding between her rear and her skating dress.  Nothing
>fancy, just cut from some kind of foam sheet, but it seemed to help...
>last year she landed very few and kept ending up on her backside.  This
>year she is landing a lot more... I guess it worked.
>--

I think that freestyle ice skaters tend not to wear any protection at all 	
because  it is out of style. If you are the only one wearing a helmet at
a freestyle session, you might feel or be considered out of place. Most ice
skaters do not even wear knee pads. The seat pads are also kept covered 
generally under the clothes, but few skaters wear them. 

When I inline, I wear full protection. When I ice skate, I wear none. I used
to wear knee pads and the seat protection, but I stopped falling on my rear
and knees. when I do freestyle quad stuff, I generally just wear wrist guards and 
the rear padding under my clothes, because this is where I fall. I haven't
seen any freestyle quad skaters wear helmets or wrist guards and only a 
few, that I've seen wear knee pads.
-- 
Joe Kaplenk,
jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu
312-764-1212 home, fax at home 312-465-0406
From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Abuse to skates from stair riding
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:15:20 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

In article <BxIw0C.808@acsu.buffalo.edu> v066pz78@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (COMPUTER BLUE) writes:
>pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
> 
>>The Rollerblade Lightning is an incredibly robust skate. Other than a
>>meltdown caused by a busted bearing (reported by a Salt Lake skater here
>>years ago), I have never heard of a failure.
>
>How about the Zetrablade?  I've been wanting to try some more ambitious
>manuevers on them, but I'm not sure if they can take it.  Anybody have any
>experience in breaking a pair of Zetrablades?  Sooner or later, I'll try
>stair-bashing, but not yet... :)

I don't know. They certainly have a lot more flex than the Lightning. If you're
under 120 pounds, you'll probably be fine. Otherwise, you may be skating on
thin ice.

>					Bret

--phil
From: jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Joe Kaplenk)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: figure skaters are fags
Date: 23 Oct 92 19:31:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: lucpul.jkaplenk.719868676
Organization: Loyola University Chicago

In <1992Oct20.170928.6001@pellns.alleg.edu> goetzj@carn19.alleg.edu (Justin Goetz) writes:

>I just read this letter from some wus who figure skates and wants to wear  
>a helmet because roller bladers do. Both bladers and figure skaters are  
>fags. You don't see skateboarders wearing helmets and the shit we do is a  
>hell of a lot burlier then spinning on ice in tights. The only helmet  
>skateboarders like is the band.

If  someone wants to protect themselves that doesn't make them fags. As  far 	
as I'm concerned I've  had a number of falls blading or jumping with minimal
or no injury because of protection. I've  also broken my arm falling on it
doing a jump with no protection. It kept me in a cast for 8 weeks. I couldn't 
skate, and do a lot of things I love to do. Having protection would've 
let me do more of what I enjoy doing. I also feel more confident and
jump and skate better with protection. (See my other listings here today.)
I don't  have protection in freestyle ice, but I sure do on blades and quads.

Of course, it sounds like we've come up with a new definition of 
"fag" here.  If you're in a different reality then a lot
of things get redefined. Mental hospitals are full of alternate
reality types. 
-- 
Joe Kaplenk,
jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu
312-764-1212 home, fax at home 312-465-0406
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Marc Foster)
Subject: Re: Abuse to skates from stair riding
Originator: usenet@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:26:01 GMT
Organization: University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK


I've got an old (2 yrs.) pair of Zetras, too, and they wear like iron.  I've
mostly been abusing them playing hockey, but I've jumped stairs a few times
also, with no ill effects.

marc
-------------------------------------------
Oklahoma: So many tornadoes, so few roads...
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: yeh@qucis.queensu.ca (Delbert Yeh)
Subject: Re: Elvis spotted!(i.e. Stair Bashing)
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:28:30 GMT

What kind of angle (i.e. between skater's direction and edges of the 
steps) should one take when going down stairs?
Delbert
From: icedance@carson.u.washington.edu (Ann Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: When to start USFSA?
Keywords: USFSA freestyle ice skating
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:15:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov9.231545.17087
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

There is a difference between what is needed for a test and what is commonly 
done in competition.  I think the test requirements are in the Rulebook (can 
be purchased through your club, I have one at home).  The content of 
competition programs out here is usually harder than the test requirements,
which means a person could pass the test easily and still place low at
competitions.  Try talking to coaches and watching competitions to see what
is done at different levels.
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Newsgroups: rec.skate

Hmmm, couldn't one have several sets of bearings and then only do the cleaning
when you are down to the last set?

BTW, how do I tell when to change them before it is too late?  I'd like my
wheels to spin for 60 seconds, but now they only do a few seconds.  My guess
is only newly cleaned bearings will spinn that long, but ......

Kirk out
From: aites@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jim Aites)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:37:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Elvis spotted!(i.e. Stair Bashing)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.skate

(long - 50 lines)

|> Where are all the articles on doing mad 360's over 7 steps and such
|> like?
|> The last time I looked at rec.skate they were talking about
|> stair-bashing backwards.

We are still here...just keeping a low profile cuz some of us *do* wear 
protection.  (grin)

|Anyway, I have a few stair-bashing questions.  Could someone
|write a DETAILED reply to this describing how to do this?

Ok, but the following is DEFINATELY one man's oppinion.  Our group is riding
a set of 10 stairs (with a landing) for 4 levels.  (also doing 360's from a 
flight of 6 stairs, but that's a different story)

|Do you put most of your weight on one foot?

Neg.  Split the diff and lean forward a bit.

|How much do you bend your knees?

Enough that you get some good shock absorbtion.

|I've found that it's almost easier to "stair bash" the faster you
|go but sometimes you just can't (short runway).  How do you
|deal with that?  If I go to slow, I get the teeter-totter
|effect and have NO control.

Going fast means that you can really 'bash-em'. Skates angled downward and 
durn near every wheel touches every step.  You can hear 'em!  Going slower
means that you almost have to play 'dropsie', i.e. hanging from each step 
by your heels, and then dropping flat-footed down to the next stair.

|What types of adjustments do you make based on the stair 
|characteristics?

There's a correlation between width and drop to your best speed.
  Dropsie on wide ones (no matter how fast you're going).
  Bashing on normal width.  
  Carefull bashing on narrow ones. Just remember that it *is* down-hill.  

|Do you lean forward or remain center?

Forward just a tad, but back upright as you hit the flat.

|How are your feet in relation to each other?

One foot leading, and no over-lap.
From: jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Joe Kaplenk)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Quad Competition
Date: 23 Oct 92 16:10:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: lucpul.jkaplenk.719856656
Organization: Loyola University Chicago


>In article <jkaplenk.718304553@lucpul.it.luc.edu>, jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Joe Kaplenk) writes:
>> In <36020001@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM> cfb@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Charlie Brett) writes:
>> 
The following is a delayed  response due to local news  problems.

>  now, for my real point (whew!).  last time i heard statistics, there
>  were close to twice the number of artistic rollerskaters than there
>  were ice skaters.  but, since rollerskating didn't have enough
>  countries competing to get into the Olympics (it now does), no one
>  really knew much about it unless they were into it.

I would be interested in where these numbers come from since I have
been skating both quads and ice now I find very few freestyle quad skaters
and many times have the floor all to myself or just a one or two skaters at 
the 2 roller clubs I belong to. On ice I can have anywhere from 15 to 35
skaters that I have to share space with.

One piece of news I recently heard at Roller  Skating Artistic Nationals was that
there had to be 50 countries where the sport is actively pursued for it
to be included in the Olympics. This includes having a national level
competition from at least 5 or more clubs.  Roller skating has recently reached
that status.

Sadly, there was a recent ruling from the Olympic Board that the number was increased
to 75 just before roller skating hit 50 countries and this leaves roller skating out
once again.  There was an article about this in one of the roller skating magazines.
Unfortunately I can't remember where I read it. I got the info from  a skater in Utah
that does both roller and ice skating.  If anyone is anxious to see the article 
I can try to locate it.  There are a lot of Olympic sports that cannot meet these
criteria. I dare say that close to half could not meet these rules. How many 
countries have down hill skiing? Certainly can't do that in the Bahamas.
What about cross country skiing with shooting, etc.  Not to downgrade these other
sports, but it seems like roller skating really needs to be included.

Roller Skating will not be a demonstration sport in the next Olympics, though they
were in the last Olympics, at least hockey was there. It could be long
haul and someone really needs to make the Olympic Committee aware of the 
unfareness of the ruling, particularly with Roller Skating having come to
close. USAC is aiming for the year 2000. Hopefully they won't decide to 
increase the numbers again.


>	    cxd4303@ultb.isc.rit.edu   OR   chrissy@nick.csh.rit.edu

>	
-- 
Joe Kaplenk,
jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu
312-764-1212 home, fax at home 312-465-0406
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: erussell@dvorak.amd.com (Ed Russell)
Subject: Re: Helmets and axels
Keywords: xxx
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 23:50:39 GMT

In article <jkaplenk.719859773@lucpul.it.luc.edu> jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Joe Kaplenk) writes:
>In <1998@sousa.ltn.dec.com> gibian@talent.ljo.dec.com (Marc S. Gibian) writes:
>
>
>>Last winter my daughter started ISIA lessons starting with no skating
>>experience.  ISIA, or at least those people running the program at
>>our rink, strongly recommended helmets for students below a particular
>>level.  Most parents complied and most tim.........
>>

This is very unusual from what I have seen over the past few years.  Perhaps
this particular rink has had some sort of problem with their insurance?  It 
is true that this is not a sport for those that require safety as one of
the conditions to participate.

Good luck on your daughter's skating!

  
>I think that freestyle ice skaters tend not to wear any protection at all 	
>because  it is out of style. If you are the only one wearing a helmet at
>a freestyle session, you might feel or be considered out of place. Most ice
>skaters do not even wear knee pads. The seat pads are also kept covered 
>generally under the clothes, but few skaters wear them. 
>

I'm not sure that it is just a matter of being out of style. Part of figure
skating is artistry, part is grace, and part is athletics.  Good coaches
do what they can to protect the skaters in their care and slow their
advancement until they are competent to advance.  This is not a trivial
matter for the coach, the parents, or the skater.  Still - injuries do
sometimes happen.  You can even get "road rash" from rough ice!  However
the rocks, curbs, fire hydrants, etc are missing.  You are probably in
much greater danger from blades than the ice itself!

My daughter's coach has indicated to me that the ISU (?) probably will not
cap the athletics portion to a particular level of difficulty until there
are some injuries in competition.  For now it looks like the men are 
headed to the quads and the women will continue to master the triple Axel.
==========================================================================

Ed Russell (edmund.russell@amd.com)

From: aites@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jim Aites)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:41:44 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Elvis spotted!(i.e. Stair Bashing)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.skate

Yes, I'm adding a qualifier to my own post of last week.  This weekend I spent
some time studying a stair bashing friend's style.  Guess what?  It's DIFFERENT
from mine! So, the following reflects how he handles stairs.

I was watching while he did some MONGO stairs (IMHO)...four flights 
of 7 stairs each with an 8 foot landing between each flight. 

FYI - it was DEFINATELY less 'jarring' (easier) to do these puppies backwards
      than forwards.

    |Do you put most of your weight on one foot?

Mine:    Neg. Split the diff and lean forward a bit.
His:     YES. Use only the heel of the leading foot for balance. 

    |How much do you bend your knees?

Mine:    Enough that you get some good shock absorbtion.
His:     Leading leg is *almost* straight, and back leg does most of the work.

Note: I try to 'angle' the skates, he does dropsie.  He is better at it than I
      so...

    |What types of adjustments do you make based on the stair 
    |characteristics?

      Carefull bashing on narrow ones. Just remember that it *is* down-hill.  

Alternate thought: on narrow stairs try cutting the diagnal if there is enough
      room to do so.

Jim 8')s
aites@hpsmpa.lvld.hp.com
From: geo@shilah.Eng.Sun.COM (George Atkins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: How do I skate backwards?
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:34:23 GMT
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Distribution: world
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The best advice I got when I was first trying to turn around while skating was
to "just turn around like you didn't have skates on".  You can practice without
skates first.  The hardest part for me was committing myself:  It's not 
enough to just turn your feet around if your upper body doesn't follow.  This
is why it's a good exercise to practice without skates.  I would practice it
in two steps  without skates.  Then I tried it on the carpet with skates.   
Then finally I tried it while rolling on a smooth surface.  This assumes you're
already a little comfortable skating backwards.

Once your body figures it out, then you can experiment and turn around all
sorts of ways, the more fluid you are the more you look like you're "just 
turning around without any skates on".

-George
From: loosemore-sandra@cs.yale.edu (Sandra Loosemore)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Skate Canada - Full Results
Date: 10 Nov 1992 12:57:09 -0500
Organization: staff hacker @ Yale Haskell project
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In-reply-to: gibian@talent.ljo.dec.com's message of 10 Nov 92 16:14:12 GMT

gibian@talent.ljo.dec.com (Marc S. Gibian) writes:

   Thank you for posting the results ... there are some notable
   absent names and was wondering if it were due to the focus of
   the event, their going pro, or something else...

Sigh.  We just went through this with the Skate America results a
few weeks ago -- I guess it is another item for the FAQ list.

The various fall competitions (including Skate America, Skate Canada,
the Trophee Lalique, the NHK Cup, and who knows how many others) are
"minor" competitions, sponsored by the various national skating
organizations as a means to provide some international competition
experience to their younger skaters.  Most skaters only end up
participating in one or two of these competitions each year.

-Sandra
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Oil and Oilers...
Date: 8 Nov 92 21:10:27 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

A while back, I mentioned that "hypodermic" style oilers were
near ideal for skate usage, since they allow you to put just one
drop of oil exactly where you need it.  More is wasted, since it
will only run out and provide a sticky surface to attract further
dust and grit.

Radio Shack used to carry these, but the last time I checked in
a new store, they were confused and claimed that the product had
been discontinued.  In any case it was their part 64-2301, going
for about $1.75.

Wandering around the local discount sporting goods store, I found
the same device in the fishing department, packaged as a South Bend
"reel oiler" for $2.76.

These have a platic squeeze tube with a metal needle on the end
and a pocket clip.  A plastic slip-on cap seals up the needle to
prevent leakage, but if you fall on one, expect a mess.

The oil is of moderate viscosity, with very fine teflon particles
imparting a greyish hue.  The Radio Shack one seemed to have a
higher viscosity golden oil, though my memory may be foggy in this
respect.  The Teflon really serves no purpose in ball bearings, but
such tiny particles will probably not hurt anything.

Wandering through the Gun section turned up a small 1 oz squeeze
bottle of "Rem Oil" for $1.96.  This gives you four times as much
oil and the bottle is less fragile then the hypodermic oiler.
A snap-on plastic cap appears to be quite leak-tight and dispenses
fairly small drops.  An extension tube is provided, but it seems
prone to blowing bubbles and barely fits betwen frame and bearings.
Cutting the end of the tube an angle make it easer to get it in,
but it'll probably get lost long before you run out of oil anyway.

The oil is of quite light viscosity and while it also claims to
contain Teflon, there are no visible particles or fogging, so I
would discount any effect, positive or detrimental.

Between the two, the hypodermic oiler has the advnatage that the
needle will fit easily between the frame and outer race, allowing
emergency in-situ oiling, however it is difficult to control the
amount of oil and get it into the groove between the seal and
inner race in this mode.  The Rem Oil provides more oil of a
nice light viscosity, but is less convenient in this respect.
Either container could be at least partially refilled with your
favorite bulk oil, be it synthetic motor oil or mineral/WD-40 mix.

On warning:  if your skates were previously lubricated with grease
or haven't been cleaned, adding oil or spraying an aerosol like
with WD40/CRC 2-56/LPS will release all the grit that the grease
has trapped and your wheels will sound like you've been to the
beach.  Best to clean your bearings first and then stick with
the oil regimen.

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     work:   to be avoided at all costs...
but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
Commodore, Engineering Department     domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: winter skating?
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:58:08 GMT
	<1992Nov5.193617.23655@stortek.com>
Reply-To: aboulanger@bbn.com
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com
In-reply-to: pae@blackcat.stortek.com's message of Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:36:17 GMT


In article <1992Nov5.193617.23655@stortek.com> pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
writes:


   If you're interested in hearing music, memorize the music indoors, then play
   it back in your head when outdoors. 

Or do roller dance at a roller rink!

Dancing with my skates till the sun rises,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@bbn.com
From: erussell@dvorak.amd.com (Ed Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: When to start USFSA - compiled replys
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:54:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

To all of those that responded to my query - much thanks!

I have learned a lot and I feel compelled to share with you what I have learned.  
Below is the most comprehensive listing, provided to me by Ann Schmidt - it is 
highly representative of the other responses that addressed individual events 
or experiences.


>
>  From: Ann Schmidt <icedance@u.washington.edu>
>
> ...........................
>
>  I checked with a friend of mine whose daughter competed Intermediate this
>  year and is planning to go novice next year about what jumps are done at
>  lower levels.  Her response was:
>
>  Preliminary - an Axle is a plus but not required. Mostly single jumps were
>  done, usually in combination (i.e. waltz jump/loop/loop).  All solo spins
>  are done.  Combination spins are a plus.  Should show good edge control;
>  spirals, Ina Bauers, etc.
>
>  Sub-Juvenile - in-between Preliminary and Juvenile, but closer to Juvenile

(apparently this can be taken to mean a clean Axel and either a double Salchow 
or a double toe-loop = representative of other responses) 

>
>  Juvenile - all items listed in Preliminary.  Single jumps are usually done
>  only in combinations.  Some girls have all their doubles, definitely need
>  double toe, double Salchow, usually double loop, some double lutzs.  Many
>  changes of position in spins.
>
>  Intermediate - All of Juvenile.  Double/double combination jumps.  Some
>  double Axles.  Interesting edge and footwork expected.  Strength and flow
>  necessary.
>

(double Axels are characteristic of Novice apparently according to other 
responses, so this does still balance well nationwide)

Regards,

Ed Russell                    (edmund.russell@amd.com)