From: loel@bluemoon.rn.com (Loel Larzelere)
Subject: Re: Ohio Ethnic Intimidation Law
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 23:50:03 EDT

monstman@bluemoon.rn.com (Kevin A. Keefe) writes:

> >Remember ... bigots vote, and probably with greater frequency than
> >the peace and harmony crowd.
> >
> Man...talk about paranoid...you are one weird dude, loel.
> Wake up dude - the number one group promoting gun control are
> the police.

Only the political wing of the FOP, and a very few long
off the street police chiefs.  The officer on the street
generally thninks that the average citizen who bothers to
go out and practic once in a while should have a weapon he/she
feels comfortable with for personal protection.  More than a 
few see no problem with concealed carry for civilians. Why?
First, an honest police officer knows that the police can't be 
everywhere, and more than likely will _not_ be there when a
crime happens.  It will be up to the honest citizen to defend
himself or die.  Police forces are at their best in detection, 
prevention and maintaining crowd contol after the crime has 
happend.  Very few departments can be with every citizen who
might fall prey to a crime.

Second:  Criminald prefer unarmed victims.  The experience of
every jurisdiction that has liberalized their gun laws and allowed
concealed carry with the minimum of formality is that viloent crime
goes down.  Scary, isn't it?  Just the mere perception that the 
citizenry will arm themselves sends crooks elsewhere, or at the 
minimum, makes them law abiding.


> I'm one of the peace and harmony crowd and I DON'T support gun
> control. I wish the right to bear arms, if for no other reason
> than to protect myself from facist assholes like YOU.

Just where do you get off slinging this "facist"  labeling around?  My
political beliefs are that everyone has equal personal rights.  Where 
I differ from the knee-jerkindividual on either side is that
(for instance) I support the right of the gay person to be gay 
just as strongly as I support the right of the bible thumper to
thump.  If one wants to stand on the SW corner of Broad and High
and preach that everyone should quit being straight and start being gay,
and the other occupy the NE corner preaching hellfire and damnation
to all gays, why so be it.  Most members of the civil-rights 
crowd would support the pro-gay and not the thumper just on
principal.

And it is not surprizing to find that you support the RTKBA.  Most
of the vehement anti-gun advocates support the right for
themselves and others in their social strata. (Jane Fonda, 
Ted Turner, and Ted Kennedy immediately spring to mind.)

> You don't know diddly-squat about "The Republic." Why don't
> you take the bullshit to another .sig and leave the REAL
> activists alone?

Please ... I have probaly more retained knowledge about the
republican form of governmentin my little finger than most
professors who try to pan it while they proseltize the socialist
utopia they seem to prefer.

FYI this country started out and flourished as a constitutional republic,
and flourished that way for close to 100 years.  Only after politicians 
decided that they knew better than the individual citizen did we start
down the path that leads us to the chaotic mess we are in today.

REAL activists, huh?  I guess you can't be a real activist unless
you espose left-wing causes.  Espose a centrist or (god forbid)
a right wing cause and youare a facist, but not a real activist.
A great believer in equality of opinion you are ...

> BTW, this week marks the beginning of the third year of the
> National Gun Control Act. Happy anniversary!

A flagranunconstitutional law, but no one noticed.
Support the Citizens Self-Defense Amendment --you may need it
some day.


Loel H. Larzelere -- loel@bluemoon.rn.com

The right to keep and bear arms is the bumper to bumper 
warranty on the rest of the constitution.
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