HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: whedon@netcom.com (Bill Whedon)
Subject: Re: Installing Coherent 4.0.1A, and at wit's end...
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 05:04:11 GMT

In article <Xo2TTB1w165w@micromed.com> system@micromed.com (Duane Davis) writes:
>whedon@netcom.com (Bill Whedon) writes:
>
>> supposes that MWC could find a lawyer hungry enough to take you to court for
>> suggesting in slanderous fashion, that their innocent, announced message, is
>> or could be construed to be subliminal advertising.  With the litigious
>> 
>
>Except that MWC themselves, in the manual, refer to it as a 
>"subliminal message".
>
AAAAAAACK!!!  RTFM Fever Strikes Again!  Boy!  Is _my_ face red, or what?!
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Baud rates
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 03:10:41 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <9211050812.AA01751@dalek.mwc.com> "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet> writes:
>>
>> Does Coherent 4.0 support locked com port rates of 19200?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>If you mean enabling ports at 19200 or setting a default baud rate of 19200,
>then yes, we support it.

I always run my ports at 19200.  Works pretty well.

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From: system@micromed.com (Duane Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Are we dead??
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 20:55:50 PST
Organization: Micro-Medic BBS - +1 408 279 5240 - Public Access

faurote@crchh484.BNR.CA (Joe Faurote) writes:

> Yeah, I was kind of wondering that one as well.  I just recently got a clone
> and Coherent 4.0.1, and was pretty excited about it when I got it.  Now I
> see that Linux seems to be stealing the show, especially since it would seem
> they have been able to successfully implement X windows on that operating
> system and Linux is available from the Free Software Foundation.  I was
> wondering if anyone on this group has had experience with Linux and could
> tell other people using Coherent what the pluses and minuses of both OS's
> might be?  I don't plan on crossing over, but I would be curious to hear
> about it.  But for just under $100, I really think that Coherent should
> be the OS of choice - I would just like to hear a little more chatter
> out there!

The problem is that (IMHO) Coherent can't be considered a serious
OS yet.

I currently run 5 computers (386/486) networked under MS-DOS with over
5 Gig of hard disk space. 

I would love to convert over to Coherent, but I also have CD-ROM, WORM
and Tape drives. None of which can be used with Coherent. Can you imagine
backing up 5 Gig on floppy disks? Even using DOSCP to copy to a DOS partition
and then backing it up (like MWC suggests) would be a nightmare.

Everybody keeps telling me how *nix is so much better than DOS. So
far I'm not impressed. Maybe Linux will change my mind...


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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Paragraph sign on german keyboards
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 07:45:56 GMT

Kosta Kostis (kosta@blues.kk.sub.org) wrote:
: rzsaj@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de (Andreas Jung) writes:
: 
: > Is there a way to use the german paragraph with Coherent 4.0.
: > I am using Coherent on a NCR Notebook. But the german keyboard
: > will not display the paragrah sign.
: 
: The "german?" paragraph character coded in IBM Code Page 437 is
: actually a control code character. Maybe that's why it doesn't
: get displayed. ;-)   I don't know if there's a suitable way to
: solve this right now.
[...]

No problem, take a look at /conf/kbd/german.c. Search for K_4 and you'll
see that SHITF + 3 outputs an "ack". Change the "ack" to the right
hex-code for the paragraph character (sorry, I don't have the PC character
map handy), and type make. Now execute the new created "german" command
and the paragraph character should work.
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From: h235_003@ccvax.ucd.ie (ARE WE HAVING FUN YET)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: European ftp sites ?
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:38:32 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin



Is there a European ftp site for Coherent software ?

 
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From: root@disco.rgm.com (System Administrator)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Processing control?
Date: 11 Nov 92 05:52:49 GMT
Organization: robert willis

I just got a book on UNIX (wish the coherent manual was a bit more
comprehensive so i wouldn't have to, but..) and they talk about
nice and renice where you can conrol the priorities on tasks running
(just like the big boys), but i see no reference to it in the coherent
world, is it support?  yes? no? maybe?

thanks
From: fredex@fcshome.UUCP (fred smith)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: True C source debugger?
Date: 9 Nov 92 05:04:12 GMT
Organization: What?!? Absolutely none!
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Michael Faurot (mfaurot@phzzzt.uucp) wrote:
: Is there a true C source debugger available for Coherent v4?  Don't really
: care if it's PD, Shareware, or commercial.  I'm not at all interested
: in debugging my C source from an assembly and hex perspective via the db
: program.
: 
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: 
There is something on Raven named "sdb". I don't know if someone did a
port of sdb to Coherent, or what.

I downloaded it just the other day, but am unable to unpack it properly. I
get it via ftpmail from decwrl, as 2 uuencoded pieces. When uudecoded I
get a file named "sdb.zip" which both unzip and pkunzip claim to be
corrupt.

Does anybody know what this is? Is it worth trying again, or is it
really "damaged goods"?

If it really is sdb for Coherent/386 it would be wonderful, even though
sdb is really only a mediocre debugger. I figure a mediocre one that
works is a lot better than a wonderful one that doesn't! ( and I don't
think that Coherent's db is all that wonderful, either, even if it DID
work!).

Fred

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From: di1helol@claudius (Helge Olsen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Are we dead??
Date: 12 Nov 92 11:56:27 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Are there no users of COHERENT out there?? I bought COHERENT 3.2.1A
(I really let commercials convince me sometimes) in hope to learn more
about UNIX, and perhaps create some great software with/for it. The
funny thing is, that I feel quite alone around here, with noone ever
posting anything for this group (That's not true, but almost).
Why don't we discuss programming, projects (as perhaps a simple X10
server) and things like that?? I also read the MINIX news, and they
have a lot of nice discussions going on, and sometimes there are some
source code postings. Why not the same here (isn't this comp.os ?)?

What I said about the X10 server is not a joke, I think it would be
possible even with a 286 and a mono graphics card. Anyone interested?

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: GCC
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:19:37 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <11NOV199219125509@zeus.tamu.edu> jle9162@zeus.tamu.edu (ECKHARDT, JASON LEE) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.195413.27482@sequent.com>, patbob@sequent.com (Patrick White) writes...
>>In article <9211110010.07@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>>In article <BxI9K5.sM@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> rasumner@zeno23.math.UWaterloo.ca (Reuben Sumner) writes:
>>>>Where can the MWC port of GCC 2.2.2 be found? My understanding of the GPL
>>>
>>>MWC hasn't released it yet.  MWC has been known in the past for their expertise
>>>in writing C compilers.  They have a whole suite of tools for debugging
>>>output from compilers, and they won't release GCC until it passes to their 
>>>satisfaction.
>> 
>>	Register my congrats on adhering to that attitude.. if they ever give
>>up on it, their products will never be as good of quality.
>> 
>>>They may require GCC to compile the OS sources before they release it.
>> 
>>	I've heard that's a pretty good test of a compiler.. especially since
>>there appear to be no comprehensive test suites.  Its an expensive test to
>>grade though (you only notice when the OS behaves strangely).
>> 
>>>Also, porting of GCC may coincide with the addition of floating point
>>>hardware support for Coherent 4.1.
>> 
>>	The two together would be well worth the wait.
>> 
>> 
>>-- 
>>Pat White (patbob@sequent.com, work: (503) 578-3463)
>
> I'm not sure why everyone can't already be running gcc 2.2? If coh 4.0
>really is binary compatible with SCO, why not just get the sco binaries and
>run them until MWC gets theirs finished? I don't have 4.0 yet (just 3.2)
>so I can't say about the validity of the 'binary compatibility' of 4.0.
>But gcc 2.2 is totally text oriented and should not use anything coh.
>can't handle if its truly binary comat.
>
>Has anyone even tried? The sco binaries are available from:
>ftp.wimsey.bc.ca   in /pub/wimseypd.

The SCO binaries shouldn't work as the Coherent 4.0 libraries don't trap
FPU hardware calls.  Since stock GCC emits calls to the FPU, a large
section of it must be hacked for 4.0.  Coherent 4.1 may handle FPU hardware
and FPU exceptions.

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From: ritz@ritz.mordor.com (Christopher Mauritz)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: finger trace
Date: 8 Nov 92 10:57:50 GMT
Organization: Ritz International, Inc. - Import/Export Consultants
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Christopher OLIVE (darkrat@cs.mcgill.ca) wrote:
: 
:      Is there a way to track the path back to someone who fingerd you from
: site? doing it locally is easy but...

I'm curious as to why you posted this to comp.os.coherent.  Since
Coherent doesn't support networking at the moment it is impossible
for someone to remotely finger you.

Regards,

Chris

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From: ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: patch for make
Date: 06 Nov 92 11:12
Organization: Not Very Ltd.

Those of you that encounter core dumps when GNU make is called from
a script or within a Makefile, could benefit from the following patch:

--- oldmake/main.c  Tue Sep  1 11:48:40 1992
+++ newmake/main.c	Fri Nov  6 10:47:13 1992
@@ -405,7 +406,9 @@
       register char *ep = envp[i];
       while (*ep++ != '=')
 	;
       (void) define_variable (envp[i], ep - envp[i] - 1, ep, o_env, 1);
+      if (!strcmp(envp[i+1],"LASTERROR")) break;
     }
 
   /* Decode the switches.  */


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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: bedaj00@DMI.USherb.CA (JOEL BEDARD)
Subject: News feeds ( UUCP )
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- Dept. d'Informatique
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:14:58 GMT

Hi!

I got one question:

Does Coherent can handle News feed & E-mail feed from another Unix system?
( RN  Reading news and MAIL to read mail )

One of my friend tell me that i could get an SLIP access thru Internet and
i need an OS to perform that.

I know that Waffle BBS ( on MSDOS ) can perform the jobs, but i will like
more using an Unix like OS.

Thank for the advise,

    Joel

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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: /usr/adm/failed ???
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:50:00 GMT
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Michael Gerhards (michael@jester.GUN.de) wrote:
: Hallo,
: 
: in the manual for login, I found file /usr/adm/failed, which should account
: the failed logins. I created it with cat /dev/null >/usr/adm/failed and then
: tried to login woth a wrong password. The filesize of 'failed' increased but
: I don't know the way to showall failed logins. sa and ac can't do it, I think.

Type who /usr/adm/failed.
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From: di1helol@josefin (Helge Olsen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: PLEASE!!! Hercules(HGC) driver/library for COHERENT 3.2.1A ??
Date: 11 Nov 92 09:57:55 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

I just bought COHERENT 3.2.1A, and wants to know if there is a
driver/library for hercules graphics available. Preferrably it would
be a library, with sources, but good docs would do.

If such a thing exists, please mail it to me, as I don't have ftp or
UUCP (no modem and restrictions at school).

Thanx for any help...

	di1helol@caligula.his.se
From: mfaurot@phzzzt.uucp (Michael Faurot)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: com ports (and patching the kernel)
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:06:35 GMT
Organization: A.T.W.W.

umunk@naxos.sni.de (Udo Munk) writes:
> 
> You never should write to the running kernel, not in multi-user mode
> nor in single-user mode! Create a new test kernel, coh.test as an example.
> Then remove /autoboot and reboot the system. Because of the missing
> autoboot the bootstrap now prompts for the name of the kernel to boot.
[extra stuff deleted]

Actually there's no need to remove the link to /autoboot with v4.  Just
hit the space bar during the tertiary boot and then at the prompt type
"coh.test".
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: whedon@netcom.com (Bill Whedon)
Subject: Re: Installing Coherent 4.0.1A, and at wit's end...
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:06:30 GMT

In article <83117@ut-emx.uucp> marktn@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (It's Me!) writes:
>> kranitz@mr.med.ge.com (Wes Kranitz 4-6857 MRCE) writes:
>> > Is it only me, or has anyone else noticed that while Coheren
>> > and the rotating "/" is occuring, A periodic "Buy Cohware!" 
>> > It's so fast it's almost impossible to see.
>> 
>> Yep, it's there... Hmmm... last I heard subliminal advertising
>> 
>
>Subliminal advertising IS illegal.  The periodic 'buy' messages from
>Mark Williams Company concerns me.  If this was taken to court, could
>some-one sue MWC?

I would think that the very fact that they _tell_ you about the stupid thing
in the documentation would ameliorate the situation.  I do suppose that one
could find a lawyer (see rec.humor) hungry enough to take such a case.  One
supposes that MWC could find a lawyer hungry enough to take you to court for
suggesting in slanderous fashion, that their innocent, announced message, is
or could be construed to be subliminal advertising.  With the litigious
climate of the day, anything is possible.  Of course, I also suppose that the
outcome of either of these possible lawsuits would most likely be getting
thrown out of court as specious.  Personally, I don't think the issue is
worth the bandwidth any more.  But that's just my opinion, of course.
Cheers,
Bill Whedon   whedon@netcom.com


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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley)
Subject: large memory allocation problems (was Re: memory protection ?)
Organization: Canada Centre for Inland Waters
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:26:36 GMT

In article <92111127683@umunk.GUN.de> udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
>K.Kanev (FHCAA83@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be) wrote:
>: I can make my system crash (panic) with a program that allocates
>: a *very* large array. Is this a bug or is there a problem with
>: my installation ?
>: (Is Coherent using demand paging as mentioned in the article in Byte
>: of August ?)
>
>COHERENT 4.0 doesn't use demand paging. But it should not be possible to
>crash the system by allocating to much memory. The process should be
>terminated with an error message "out of memory".

While I have never seen a panic due to large memory allocations I have seen a
wierd problem.  I wasn't sure whether or not this was a site-specific problem 
so I kept my mouth shut.  Let's see if any of you have experienced this:

If I run Empire (a game which is ~80K on disk but explodes to 1.1M in core) 
when there are few programs running, the program crashes with the message that
an allocation was truncated from ~800K to ~500K.  If some programs are loaded,
then it works fine.

My guess is that the area of memory from 640-1024K, which contains BIOS code 
etc., is not taken into consideration by the malloc code.  When it tries to 
malloc, it doesn't know that this memory area cannot be used.

Has anyone else seen the 'allocation truncated' error message after a trap?

I know that support@mwc.com reads this group.  If there is a workaround, please
let us know.  If you want the exact numbers from my trap or the core it leaves,
drop me a note.  It is silly to have to load a few programs so that I can run 
ONE of them (using the others to fill the first 640K?).

Harry

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: whedon@netcom.com (Bill Whedon)
Subject: Re: Pascal and Coherent
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:58:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov2.170156.2296@zebis.BR.Schule.DE> raba@zebis.BR.Schule.DE (Ralph Ballier) writes:
>styer@ms.uky.edu (Eugene F. Styer) writes:
>: I am teaching at an university where we are using a unix system for teaching
>: students pascal.  Anyway, we teach some extension classes in area towns that
>: currently have PC's an no convient access to our department system.  The
>: students will be coming here for any upper level classes they might want, and
>: so we're not sure we want them to use Turbo Pascal (or equivalent) and then
>: have to learn an entirely new system when they get here.  So my request is:
>: Can a Pascal compiilier be purchased for Coherent, and what type of price
>: would we be talking?
>: -- 
>: Eugene Styer - 402 Wallace, EKU, Richmond, KY 40475  matstyer@eku.bitnet
>: "There was a boy named Eustace Clarence Scrubb, and he almost deserved it."
>
>Hi, we are a group of interested teachers; please answer us if you got any answers to your request concerning pascal & coherent.

I don't specifically recall Pascal, but a couple of years back, Dr. Dobbs ran
several articles in which mini-language interpreters were built, mostly on the
same framework.  I don't think it would be a great stretch to modify one of
those, perhaps the mini-C, to interpret Pascal, as I recall the code being
pretty much platform-independent.  If anyone's interested, I will go look up
the exact references.
Cheers,
Bill Whedon  whedon@netcom.com

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: buchanan@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (BUCHANAN TIMOTHY E)
Subject: various questions
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:27:01 GMT

I got ps.402. It seems the only difference it that it doesn't show the init,
cron, or update processes. Is this what was intended?

I got some c programs from kiae.su that require _ansi.h. This seems a good
time to ask in general about porting ansi c programs to coho. Are there
libraries which will handle headers and functions not included in standard
Coho?

Virtual terminals. I read how to attach another keyboard to the serial port.
Is this the virtual terminal, or can that be initiated from the console?

Has lint been ported?

thanx,
Timothy.
From: system@micromed.com (Duane Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: News
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 92 23:08:24 PST
Organization: Micro-Medic BBS - +1 408 279 5240 - Public Access


Can anyone recomend a news system that'll install under Coherent 4.0
without me pulling my hair out trying to get it working?

I got WNEWS working but it's lacking things that I need (like support
for moderated newsgroups). I've tried Cnews (the one on mwcbbs) but
have been unable to get it to install.
 

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