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From: ck984@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Petr Podruh)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: HELP
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:15:58 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Hi all!
The students (10 person about)from Bohemia
(Czech republic) plan out ride on bycicles from 
Czech (Pilsen) to Italy (Venice) and back.
( Pilsen - Regensburg - Landshut - Haag -
  - Wasserburg - Prien - Sachrang - Kufstein -
  - Brixlegg - Insbruck - Brenner - Bolzano -
  - Trento - Rovereto - Garda - Verona -
  - Vincenza - Padova - Venice)
Dayly reach will be 150 km about.They need
some delivery van for transport of package.
Complete travel will be long 15 day about
in August/September. They want find any free
accomodation, becouse for Czech students are
camping and Youth Hostels in abroad very expansive.
Every sponsor or help is welcomed. The students are
able pay for fuel to automobile.
Please help us!
Thank you very much!

  -- Petr


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Die Studenten (etwa 10 Personen) aus Bohemia planen
im Sommer eine Radreise aus Pilsen (Czech) 
zu Venice (Italy) und zuruck.
( Pilsen - Regensburg - Landshut - Haag -
 - Wasserburg - Prien - Sachrang - Kufstein -
 - Brixlegg - Insbruck - Brenner - Bolzano -
 - Trento - Rovereto - Garda - Verona -
 - Vincenza - Padova - Venezia )
Wir wollen taglich etwa 150 km wegfahren.
Fur unsere Reise suchen wir
den Zieferwagen wo wir Essen, die Gepacke usw. haben
konnen. Diese Raise wollen wir am August/September
unterhalten. Wir suchen die Unterkunft kostenlos
fur eine Nacht, denn fur die tschechische 
Studenten suid Camping und Youth Hostel (Jugendherbergen)
zu teuer .
Jede Hilfe oder Sponsor sind wilkommen.
Wir zahlen das Benzin fur Auto.
Falls, du bis ein Radfahrer und will mitfahren,
schreib auf !

Danke!

-- Petr
From: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Black Ice - the definition (was Re: How do you deal with Black Ice?)
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:09:35 GMT
Reply-To: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.bicycles.misc, pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock) writes:
>In article <4310015@hplred.HPL.HP.COM> jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt)
>>Cold ice on a lake rides well if you use your top gear.
> ^^^^
>Careful about throwing those *rocky* stones.

I'm sure he means ice that is cold enough not to melt when pressurized
by a bicycle tire.  Ice that stays dry while you ride on it gives much
better traction than when it forms a liquid film.  Assuming a certain
contact pressure, it would be pretty easy to figure out what the ice
temperature would have to be to remain solid.  Anyone?

David Mackintosh
From: mschweder@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu (Mark Schweder)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Black Ice vs Summer Ice
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:28:32 -0500
Organization: Agronomy Dept, Univ of Florida

All this talk about BLACK ICE, does anyone know what SUMMER ICE is?

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From: ncherry@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil j.cherry)
Subject: Re: Pulse rate during trail rides
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:43:27 GMT

In article <85920@ut-emx.uucp> kipper@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Kip Ingram) writes:
>Hi.  I've noticed that I can get my pulse up into the 140-160 range a whole
>lot easier (well, my legs don't feel as tired) when I get my mountain bike
>out on a good trail, as opposed to riding the mountain bike or my road bike
>on asphalt.  Does anyone else out there experience this?
>
>Kip Ingram

I've found on the Trails (MTB'ing) I can get my pulse up to 190 regularly. I
then have to stop and catch my breath. I haven't been able to get anywhere
near this on the road bike. But on the road bike I don't have any terrain that
even comes close to the MTB terrain.

NJC
From: TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Uni article in March Bicycling Mag.
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:43:15 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

The Uni article that was suppose to come out in January this year, is going
to come out in March, Bicycling Magazine 1993.  I called their offices to
confirm this!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: djconnel@leland.Stanford.EDU (Daniel Connelly)
Subject: Re: How do you deal with Black Ice?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 20:42:36 GMT

In article <4310014@hplred.HPL.HP.COM> jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt) writes:
>Tom@SLACVM writes:
>
>> I have a road bike with slick 700 x 25 tires, how do you deal with
>> black ice?  Do riders switch tires for the winter?
>
>I'm dismayed at the news media and their constant embellishments of
>everyday phenomena.  We no longer have rain but a storm system
>moving into the state, we don't have rain showers but intermittent
>shower activity, and we don't have icy roads but widespread
>occurrence of black ice in the area.
>


What is black ice anyway?  Is it black, or just transparent and the
road underneath is black?   If I am drinking milk out of a drinking
glass, is that white glass?  "Black ice" certainly sounds sinister,
though.

It seems many people's perception of any natural phenomena is limited
to what they can see out of their windshields, or maybe I'm too
cynical.  That the local news radio station tucks the weather report
into the traffic report perhaps says something, however.

Dan
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From: pakar@jyu.fi (Petri A Karonen)
Subject: Re: How do you deal with Black Ice?
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:04:35 GMT

frank@molbio.cbs.umn.edu (Frank Williams) writes:
>William Koenig Lloyd (lloyd@leland.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
>: Black ice is clear ice.  Why they don't just call it ice I'm not sure.  Maybe
>: people just feel the word ice is begging for an adjective, or maybe ice is
>: special when it's on a road...
>: 
>
>Here in Minnesota we have plenty of ice but I have never heard it
>referred to as "black" simply because it formed on pavement.  This
>leads to the conclusion that "real" black ice is indiginous only
>to California.  Is it black because of the air through which it fell?
>
Ice is different when it's on a paved road because the road surface is
even unlike other ground surfaces. Black ice is called 'black' because
it can't be distinquished from the pavement; it is clear but also it's
so thin that eve  it's reflection doesn't make it visible to the road user.

In addition, there are at least two types of black ice. It can occur on
dry road surfaces when the temperature is much below the freezing point.
This kind of ice can be found often on road bends that are in sheltered
places (forests, mountains) where the surface couldn't dry before
freezing.
Or there can be black ice on pavement that seems only wet. There's a
very thin film of ice below the water. This happens when the temp has
just fallen below the freezing point. Just yesterday I had trouble
stopping my bike because of this kind of black ice!

Black ice is a very common term here in Finland and our air is definitely
not black. :)

ps. I'm not a meteorologist, so there might be more scientific explanations
for black ice; this is only what I've seen on the road...

Pete
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From: cocteau@cats.ucsc.edu (Kelsey Hall Schwind)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: SCCUID mtb meeting in Santa Cruz Jan 13
Date: 7 Jan 1993 00:18:29 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: ba
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The SCUUID (Santa Cruz Cyclists United In Dirt) mountain bike club will
be having it's third general meeting Wednesday, Jan. 13 at 7:30 pm
at the Front Street Pub. Come enjoy an evening of fat-tire comraderie!

Topics to be covered include:
* Scheduling of weekday rides (convenient times, places to go, race training, 
etc. -- bring your suggestions) (we currently have Sat. and Sun. rides that 
meet at the UCSC barn at 9am. All abilities are welcome and encouraged to come)

* ACT trailbuilding update, Pogonip petition progress
(hopefully to bring about legal fireroads and singletrack)

* Special event date setting (Kiva ride? Overnight adventure?) 

* Team ANGST! updates on sponsorship and jersey designs (possibly ordering)

* Holiday issue of the SCCUID Ink distribution (to those who didn't get it)
and ideas and submissions for the next issue

* Rider Network list distribution and more! Come with any and all ideas
you have.

SCCUID is an organization founded to bring off-road riders together 
throughout the county to promote networking, responsible riding, access
issues, trailbuilding/maintaining, alternative transportation, and racing.

If you can't make it to the meeting but would like to become a part of the
Rider Network (to be a part of and receive a list of people to ride and
be social with), mail cocteau@cats.ucsc.edu or call Kelsey at (408) 459-8030.
Yearly membership is $10 and gets you this list, a monthly newsletter, 
oportunity to race on our NORBA-sanctioned race team, a club sticker, and all
other club related benefits. Ask for a free newsletter from me and I will send
you one, or you can pick one up at your local bike shop.

Don't be another fish in the sea - be a SCCUID!!
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: I did a good thing today
Date: 13 Jan 93 09:36:40 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Here's an idea for making the roads safer...

99% of car drivers have an in-built 'blind spot' as regards cyclists right?

And motorists will be a lot more careful (hopefully) if their bosses get
complaints about the way they drive around cyclists.

Why don't we start a campaign going around companies with labelled company
vehicles reporting how company car 'X' drove dangerously around cyclists
risking life and limb.  I.e. whenever you see a company car,  note it's details
and place/time,  then report it.

Pretty soon we'll have 1000's of drivers paranoid (sorry - more paranoid) and
driving well clear of cyclists...

Jonathan.

(either that or they'll drive so we don't get a chance to complain...)

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From: amc@crash.wpd.sgi.com (Allan McNaughton)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Bicycling through the Everglades?
Date: 5 Jan 93 02:07:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: crash.wpd.sgi.com

I was just down in the Homestead area last week...   That area has been 
reduced to a very large pile of rubble.  I think Everglades park has just
been reopened.  I not sure about Flamingo, but Homestead and southwest Dade
county are demolished.  Take your Mr. Tuffy tire liner ;)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: scheng@bcarh886.bnr.ca (Spencer Cheng)
Subject: Re: How do you deal with Black Ice?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
	<1993Jan7.204236.11578@leland.Stanford.EDU>
	<1993Jan7.235653.19120@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:54:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.235653.19120@leland.Stanford.EDU> lloyd@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Koenig Lloyd) writes:

   Black ice is clear ice.  Why they don't just call it ice I'm not sure.  Maybe
   people just feel the word ice is begging for an adjective, or maybe ice is
   special when it's on a road...

I believe the term arises from the fact that 'clear' ice on a asphalt
surface will make it look wet or 'black' rather than  it's normal
medium grey colour.



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From: kim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Black Ice vs Summer Ice
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:37:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan12.043734.19236
Distribution: na
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

.cchem.berkeley.edu> dodd@mycenae.cchem.berkeley.edu (Lawrence R. Dodd) writes:
beldar@MicroUnity.com> writes:
>  Gardner> And GLARE ICE?
>and SCOTCH N ICE?

	What happened to recent movie actors Ice-Cube and Ice-T?  Or
the faded teenybopper star, VANILLA ICE?
-J. Case Kim
kim39@husc.harvard.edu
From: jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:08:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Black Ice - the definition (was Re: How do you deal with Black Ice?)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc

Joel Plutchak writes:

> Exactly.  All we are seeing is a trend by the media to use more
> technical (hence more exact and definable) terms when describing
> meteorological phenomena.
> ...
> I guess we'll have to learn to live with the higher quality terms.

I see you are impressed with gratuitous adverbs and adjectives and
that they comprise "higher quality words".  I suspect that those who
have posted as apologists for this trend are possibly part of it.
I see no excuse to call icy roads "widespread black ice" as if there
were something unusual about the nature of this ice.  I think also
that "intermittent shower activity" is an embellished redundancy
without which reporting could do well.  Showers, in the vernacular,
are intermittent rain.  And "storm systems" as used in this region
are what formerly was "rain" or "heavy rain".

It could be that the escalating hyperbole of media advertising has
numbed us so much that words have little effect (ooops I mean
IMPACT) unless it is embellished.  Adjectives alone are no longer
acceptable alone but are accompanied by "very" with the emphasis on
the very rather than the modifier.  It doesn't speak well for
education.  As in Calvin & Hobbes, we must lower our expectations.

So back to the subject... Ice is slick and you can ride on it with
care.  I have ridden my bike without spikes and with ordinary tires
over many miles of frozen lakes and a large part of that with no
snow on the ice.  It works but it is difficult, especially when the
temperature of the ice is near melting.  Cold ice on a lake rides
well if you use your top gear.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: rousseaf@nil.IRO.UMontreal.CA (Francois Rousseau)
Subject: world
Organization: Universite de Montreal -- Laboratoire Incognito
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:46:51 GMT

Well, I went in my locker where I keep my bike for winter and found
out some oil on one of my front suspension leg. It happened once and
I went for repair. They found out that one of the bottom seal (is it
spelled correctly ?) was cutted so they changed it -> 25$ canadian. This
was for one leg only. Now it seems like the other one is crying...

Question: what do I do ? go for repair ? how many times will I have to
do that ? How can I protect them from breaking ?

Francois Rousseau
Universite de Montreal
Canada

e-mail: rousseaf@iro.umontreal.ca
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From: kipper@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Kip Ingram)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Summary: Bicycling images FTP sites.
Date: 9 Jan 93 04:40:31 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.misc
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

I would tend to think that making any image scanned from a magazine or other
commercial source would be quite naughty.  On the other hand, personal photos
and so forth ought to be ok.  I'm not sure, but it seems reasonable to me that
even a picture of a pro would be postable as long as you weren't trying to make
money on their image.  That's just a guess, though.

Kip
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: Kevin_bailey@qmgate.anl.gov (Kevin Bailey)
Subject: Mtn. Biking in VA area
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.misc
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Argonne, Illinois
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:11:58 GMT

OK, I know Virginia isn't exactly Durango or Moab but what's available?
Parks, trails maybe a downhill or two etc... 

I will likely spend most of the next 6 months there and figure I'd take the
bike if there are places to ride.  

I've been riding in the Chicago area so my sights aren't sky high.

Thanks much,
Kevin 

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Kevin_Bailey@qmgate.anl.gov

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From: allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: I did a good thing today
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:47:36 GMT
Reply-To: allard@lax.isi.edu (Dennis Allard)
Distribution: na
Organization: USC-Information Sciences Institute

In article <3-822-b@rpi.edu> spinaa@rpi.edu (Matt Garretson) writes:
>In article <C091p7.1r9@csn.org> alexm@teal.csn.org (Alex Matthews) writes:
>>  Pretty soon I'm going to start throwing water bottles through windshields.
> we carried around tennis balls for this purpose

Come on people, throwing things at cars can cause even more accidents.
In cases where the driver just didn't see you, it is also quite rude.
I can be as an agressive SOB of a rider as anyone and sometimes try
to track down and catch up to cars to tell them what I think of their
driving prowess.  But I usually regret it when my temper gets the best
of me.  Personally, instead of flipping someone off (which I have done)
I find it more rewarding to smile and wave in a friendly manner at
a driver as a response to some dumb move they made.  Or just ignore
them.  I mean, the objective is to survive on the road, not communicate
with motorists.

Dennis
allard@isi.edu
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From: John  King Smith <jkingsmi@mstr.amc.edu.au>
Subject: Re: How do you deal with Black Ice?
X-Xxdate: Fri, 8 Jan 93 00:44:01 GMT
Organization: Australian Maritime College
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 06:44:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.235653.19120@leland.Stanford.EDU> William
Koenig Lloyd, lloyd@leland.Stanford.EDU writes:
>Black ice is clear ice.  Why they don't just call it ice I'm not
sure.  Maybe
>people just feel the word ice is begging for an adjective, or maybe
ice is
>special when it's on a road...

Perhaps the term "Black Ice" is used to differentiate it from Frost
which appears to be white.  I think that Black Ice is more like a
continuous sheet of ice unlike frost which consists of ice crystals.
I may be wrong though.

Fortunately Tasmanian winters are fairly mild, we have frosts
regularly but don't get much black ice.

Cheers,    John.
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From: H.ZIERKE@BI-LINK.owl.de (Hans-Joachim Zierke)
Organization: Private Site in Berlin
Subject: Re: Summary: Bicycling images FTP sites.
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 13:00:00 +0100
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On 08.01.93, v008pcqu@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu writes:

>      I'd be willing to voluteer.  Actually, I have quite a few images that
> I've already got scanned but I'm not sure it's legal to post them or if 
> anyone even cares.  

If I copy an article out of a newspaper to a newsgroup, I do ask the
author first. In 90% of this cases, he or she doesn't care. I would do the
same before publishing photographs.


Ciao
Hajo

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From: bob.noyes@spacebbs.com (Bob Noyes) 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Black Ice
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:44:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SPACE BBS - Menlo Park, CA - 10 Lines + 4gB - 415-323-4193
Reply-To: bob.noyes@spacebbs.com (Bob Noyes) 

Tom;
    I am guessing that by "black ice" you mean what is called "glare ice"
back East where it is pretty common. If we are talking about the same thing,
it is a very thin layer of ice on the road surface. I assume that you might
get some of this on Sand Hill and "The Alameda" in the early morning. The
way to deal with it is "very carefully." It is a killer. The carbide studded
snow tires for cars that used to be sold might have helped on this, but that
is all I know might have helped. Wait for salt to be laid down, or, out
here, wait for the sun to melt it. The nice thing about four-wheelers is
that they don't tip over easily.  Ciao 4 now.





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From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Black Ice?
Followup-To: sci.misc
Date: 8 Jan 1993 14:00:18 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
Distribution: na
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In article <1993Jan8.025654.22248@slc.com> marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie) writes:
>While I tend to agree that the media are distorting parts of the language
>that probably ought not to be distorted, the examples you cite are, in my
>opinion, refinements rather than distortions. A 'storm system' can often
>bring far more than rain, such as snow, hail, or high winds, while 'rain'
>usually means just rain. Similarly, 'rain showers' appears to mean
>something different to everybody - back in New England it meant steady rain
>for an hour or two at a time, while here in Oregon it means 10 minute
>bursts of rain followed by possible sunshine - or 'intermittent shower
>activity'.
>
>I find the term 'black ice' highly descriptive - an 'icy road' to me is one 
>with an apparent and likely thick coating of ice, while 'black ice' is 
>small patches of ice that lurk in shady spots or in unexpected locations, 
>and which, because of their thinness, are difficult to see.
>
>Moan if you must, but to my ears these terms are endearing.

   Exactly.  All we are seeing is a trend by the media to use more
technical (hence more exact and definable) terms when describing
meteorological phenomena.  Last time I checked, meteorology was a
science, so it shouldn't be surprising to anybody that it uses
fairly rigidly-defined terms.  I think the laudable move by the media,
especially television, to use meteorologists to present weather
reports (rather than, for example, former clowns like Willard Scott)
is responsible for the upgrade in weather reporting.  I guess we'll
have to learn to live with the higher quality terms.
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