X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Approved-By:  Bill McGarry <wtm@SHELDEV.SHEL.ISC-BR.COM>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.l-hcap
Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:01:59 EST
Reply-To:     Bill McGarry <wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com>
From:         Bill McGarry <wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com>
Subject:      Handicap Digest # 3026

                             THE HANDICAP DIGEST

                                 Issue # 3026

                         Thursday, November 19, 1992

Today's Topics:


                                ******


                               Education info
                                Re: BRAVO!!!!
                          Re: FORWARDED FROM ABLED
                                Re: BRAVO!!!!
                           Pride or Regression...
                            FORWARDED FROM ABLED
                                 Re: Actors
                              Re: CARDS IN BARS
                             DOOGIE HOUSER, M.D.
                                Re: BRAVO!!!!


                                ******


To subscribe to the Handicap Digest mailing list or have your
thoughts in the next issue, please send electronic mail to
Bill McGarry at any of the following addresses:


UUCP:       uunet!bunker!wtm
INTERNET:   wtm@bunker.shel.isc-br.com
BITNET:     l-hcap@ndsuvm1.bitnet
Fidonet:    The Handicap News BBS (141/420)   1-203-337-1607
            (300/1200/2400 baud, 24 hours)
Compuserve: 73170,1064

                              Bill McGarry (Moderator)
                              (203) 337-1518



------



Subject: Education info
From: Ann.Stalnaker@f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Stalnaker)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/2120 - Fingers Talk, Irving TX


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 RM> I have a friend---about 20 or so--who was born deaf w/a cleft palate.
 RM> Through therapy over the years he's gotten 25% of his hearing
 RM> in one ear back...but that's as much as he'll ever get. He wants to go
 RM> to college to learn to be a writer but his mother is very poor....the
 RM> feds (of course) have no money...they have been told to try for a "Pell
 RM> grant"....Does anyone else have any suggestions of where he might go to
 RM> try for a grant or scholarship or funds?  I'm not sure he could pay off
 RM> a student loan for a LONG time and there isn't any cash...he does work
 RM> and would continue to work.  Thanks for any ideas.

Hi Rosemary - your friend should be able to find out more information
on this via his local Department of Human Services, Vocational
Rehabilitation.  He would get all of the forms and information on how
to apply for a Pell Grant from the VR Counselor.  You don't have to
repay Pell Grants but you do have to maintain a good grade point while
in school.

--
Uucp: ..!uunet!bunker!hcap!hnews!124!2120!Ann.Stalnaker
Internet: Ann.Stalnaker@f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org



------



Subject: Re: BRAVO!!!!
From: Stu.Turk@p2.f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Stu Turk)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/26.2 - SoundingBoard, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 JC> There are also other factors.  Moustaches, smoking, shadows,
 JC> rapidity of speech, accents, fatigue, emotions all affect
 JC> lipreading.

   Add eyesight to the list.

--
Uucp: ..!uunet!bunker!hcap!hnews!129!26.2!Stu.Turk
Internet: Stu.Turk@p2.f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org



------



Subject: Re: FORWARDED FROM ABLED
From: Jay.Croft@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Jay Croft)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:109/421 - Twilight Clone Mac, Rockville MD


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

The National Association of the Deaf is NOT opposed to cochlear
implants in adults.  It opposes implants in children.

Dr. Rosen, president of the NAD, was quoted only partially on the
program.  The NAD's position is that unnecessary surgery is
harmful.

By the way, even advocates of this surgery concede that it does not
restore hearing.

--
Uucp: ..!uunet!bunker!hcap!hnews!109!421!Jay.Croft
Internet: Jay.Croft@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org



------



Subject: Re: BRAVO!!!!
From: Ann.Stalnaker@f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Stalnaker)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/2120 - Fingers Talk, Irving TX


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 JC> There are also other factors.  Moustaches, smoking, shadows,
 JC> rapidity of speech, accents, fatigue, emotions all affect
 JC> lipreading.

 ST>    Add eyesight to the list.

But, some of those factors can be worked out.  If I find someone
who is talking to me is standing in front of a light or where
the glare hampers me in seeing their lips and eyes, I just
simply move over to another direction.

I don't think the above factors are enough to keep one from
lipreading - well, at least not for me.

--
Uucp: ..!uunet!bunker!hcap!hnews!124!2120!Ann.Stalnaker
Internet: Ann.Stalnaker@f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org



------



Subject: Pride or Regression...
From: Ann.Stalnaker@f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Stalnaker)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/2120 - Fingers Talk, Irving TX


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 PR> Would you mind defining 'Deaf Culture?'

If you saw 60 Minutes last Sunday evening, you are probably aware
of what Deaf Culture stands for - if not, then perhaps it can best
be explained as a culture that includes only those born deaf who
only sign and only mingle among others like them.

While I was born deaf, I've never been a part of the Deaf Culture
as I was raised in the hearing world and I've never used signing
as my mode of communication.

I do not consider deafness a culture like others do.  I personally
feel it is too narrow-minded and confining for me.  They have
never accepted me because I'm oral.  Also, even though I am deaf,
I don't feel I have to belong to a specific group as I've never
believed in such grouping.  We are all human beings first...

--
Uucp: ..!uunet!bunker!hcap!hnews!124!2120!Ann.Stalnaker
Internet: Ann.Stalnaker@f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org



------



Subject: FORWARDED FROM ABLED
From: Pam.Richardson@f75.n375.z1.fidonet.org (Pam Richardson)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:375/75 - Pam's, Montgomery AL


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

Jay,

Thursday November 12 1992 07:38, Jay Croft wrote to Ann Stalnaker:

 > The National Association of the Deaf is NOT opposed to cochlear implants in
 > adults.  It opposes implants in children.

Because the choice is made by the parents, not the child.  Some
parents will go to great lengths to 'fix' their children if they
are born with some type of defect.  At the end of the program (the
Catlin? 60 MINUTES program), the father? said she would be able to
make that 'choice' whether to live in an 'hearing' world or Deaf
Culture.  Even if the child chooses to live with her disability,
she will still have the device implanted and there's no telling if
this could cause some type abnormality if left intacted.

Just my thoughts.

Pam

--
Uucp: ..!uunet!bunker!hcap!hnews!375!75!Pam.Richardson
Internet: Pam.Richardson@f75.n375.z1.fidonet.org



------



Subject: Re: Actors
From: Karen.Keil@p0.f809.n104.z1.fidonet.org (Karen Keil)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/809.0 - Fantasy Mountain, Golden CO


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 -=> Quoting Tammy Givens to Laurel Gealt <=-

 TG> Also, I've seen some hearing people be pretty stupid
 TG> when it comes to knowing what "deaf" means. For example,  My husband
 TG> and I were at a bookstore.  I was looking for a bible that I hear
 TG> about that was in english for the deaf.  (kinda like ASL Format)
 TG> Anyway, I ask the salesman about "so-in-so's Bible for the Deaf" and
 TG> he said, "we don't carry books in braille."  I just said fine and
 TG> walked away shaking my head..... I later found the bible.

I'm curious....what Bible for the Deaf were you looking for?  A
text version?  Baker Book House has put out a special English
version called The Holy Bible:  The English Version for the Deaf.
They also put out the very same version entitled:  The Holy
Bible: Easy-to-Read Version.  The English is simple and basic but
it follows English structure, not ASL.

A sample quote:  "The Lord is my shepherd.  I will always have
everything I need.  He lets me lie down in green pastures.  He
leads me by calm pools of water."

If that is not what you were referring to, then please inform me
what it is.

As for the bookseller referring to books in braille for deaf
people---my gosh! That takes the cake!  Personally speaking, I
don't ever recall running across that misconception in my life.
The only misconceptions I ran into regarding deafness were:
     1.  being deaf meant not hearing anything at all, which is
not necessarily true
     2.  being deaf meant I couldn't talk and knew only sign
language.

TG> And the girl
TG> that played sarah with my brother in Children of a Lesser God, said
TG> that she and her friends went to a restaurant (kinda like
TG> CHili's) and were signing as they were walking in.  The
TG> waiter saw this and happily brought them braille menus.  She
TG> signed thank you and promptly ran her ear over the menu.  The
TG> waiter then realize his mistake! So as long as the hearing
TG> actor does not make mistakes like that.... I guess it's okay!

Wished I could have seen that!!!!!

Karen

... "U.S.S. Givens, lower your shields and prepare to be boarded!"
--
Uucp: ..!uunet!bunker!hcap!hnews!104!809.0!Karen.Keil
Internet: Karen.Keil@p0.f809.n104.z1.fidonet.org



------



Subject: Re: CARDS IN BARS
From: Mike.Lutes@p0.f31.n284.z1.fidonet.org (Mike Lutes)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:284/31.0 - Alpha-Omega BBS, Springfield MO


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

JC>Work out the mathematics of how much that peddler earned per hour for his
 JC>"labors."  You will be surprised.

 Just start signing to them, and they tend to run away.  Also, I wonder
 how many of those card sellers are on SSI.
 ---
  ~ OLX 2.2 ~ Never judge a man by his taglines.

--
Uucp: ..!uunet!bunker!hcap!hnews!284!31.0!Mike.Lutes
Internet: Mike.Lutes@p0.f31.n284.z1.fidonet.org



------



Subject: DOOGIE HOUSER, M.D.
From: Leti.Labell@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Leti Labell)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:109/421 - Twilight Clone Mac, Rockville MD


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

Did anyone out there see the Doogie Houser TV program last week?
(For those of you not familiar with the program, Doogie is a genius
kid who became a medical doctor at the age of 16, although he's a
little older now since the program's been on a few years.  In
addition, he speaks 7 languages, and knows just about everything.
Yeah, just your typical 16 year old kid!)

Anyway, Dr. Doogie also apparently knows ASL, and he meets and
dates a young deaf woman.  Since he's a doctor, he tells her about
cochlear implants, and she is tested.  Unfortunately, she is not a
good candidate for the surgury.  Doogie wants her to try anyway,
and they fight.  Doogie's friend Vinny brings them back together,
and Vinny (who is a filmaker) makes a silent movie starring the
three of them.

I thought it was interesting that this show was the same week that
Sixty Minutes did THEIR show on implants.  Did any one else see
this?

--
Uucp: ..!uunet!bunker!hcap!hnews!109!421!Leti.Labell
Internet: Leti.Labell@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org



------



Subject: Re: BRAVO!!!!
From: Jack.O'keeffe@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Jack O'keeffe)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/26 - SoundingBoard, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 HB> it seems to be easier for me to read women's lips!!! Why is
 HB> that??? Is it because they are more expressive then men? Or
 HB> that their faces are more attractive? <G>

Or is it just because most of them have less facial hair?  :-)
--
Uucp: ..!uunet!bunker!hcap!hnews!129!26!Jack.O'keeffe
Internet: Jack.O'keeffe@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org



------






                                ******

                  End of Issue # 3026 of the Handicap Digest

                                ******
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU