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From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Subject: Re: All Rookie Team?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:07:04 GMT

Timothy J Hartman writes:
>1991-1992 All Freshman Team
>
>Name                          School                 Comments
>Jalen Rose G                 Michigan            Almost lead Wolves to title
>Lawrence Moten G             Syracuse            Big East POY in '92-93
>Cherokee Parks C               Duke              Learned great deal behind C.L.
>Chris Webber F               Michigan            Could be best ever at U.M.
>Alan Henderson F             Indiana             May take IU to B10 title
>

No way that Parks deserves to be on this team.  He flat out doesn't have the
minutes and stats to be there.  I am not by any means saying that Parks 
isn't a quality player, but the fact is he played behind Laettner all year
and didn't get an honest chance to show he belongs on the All-Freshman team.

	[other ramblings deleted...]

>Is Harold Miner opting for the NBA?

No announcement yet as far as I have heard.  There has been a lot of 
speculation that he would jump if USC head coach George Raveling took
the NABC (National Association of Basketball Coaches) job.  Raveling
had an offer to head the organization, but decided not to take it and
just inked a long term contract with USC.  Hence, the assumption is that
Miner will be back at USC next year.

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Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *  Earn cash in your spare time!
University of Washington      *  Blackmail your friends.
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: db@duke.cs.duke.edu (Dov Bulka)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Jerry Stackhouse
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:45:52 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

>academic interests.  If Stackhouse goes to Duke, he could be a part of
>a devasting recruiting class with Jeff Capel and Greg Newton, led by senior
>Grant Hill.

>--Robert Clough

How good are Stackhouse, Capel and Newton? How big, what positions, etc?

thx

-- 
THREEPEAT
From: George.Harris@bbs.oit.unc.edu (George Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: SHAQ to Charlotte? - NO TRADE for Hakeem!
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:16:25 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Apr8.005742.28872@talon.ucs.orst.edu> navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant Pathology) writes:
>My purpose in starting this thread was to point out that most of the
>North Carolina folks who have been arguing that Laettner is better than
>the Shaq now get a chance to prove it. If Charlotte does get #1 then 
>insist that they take Laettner. Back up your month long diatribe with action.
>If, as you have been arguing all along, Laettner is better than Shaq then you
>should want Charlotte to take him over Shaq. WELL???????????????????

	Roy, Roy, Roy.  Pay attention:

	NBA != NCAA.

	Does that make sense?  People have been saying that Laettner is the
best player in college ball this year.  This is not inconsistent with believing
that the Shaq, once he gets an actual coach, will be a better player in the
NBA.  

	Or I suppose you believe that everyone who votes for the Wooden, Rupp,
AP, Naismith and Atlanta Sports Club National Player of the Year awards are 
Duke fans or LSU haters.  Note: Shaq didn't win any of those awards.  Laettner
won all of them.

	Face the facts, Roy.  Laettner was a better player in college this 
year.  Shaq going #1 in the draft so he gets to play for the TWolves won't
change or invalidate that.

>Which finally brings me to my point.  :)
>
>We have been reading arguments fueled by regionalism and passion, not fact.

	Only those of us with the patience to read your posts, Roy.

>than the Shaq (someone said that too). etc etc etc.  Its one thing to use
>hyperbole to make a point, another to be totally serious and say something
>outrageous.  Just remember--if Shaq does end up on "YOUR" team and suddenly
>you think SHaq is the best thing since the wheel--what happened? DId Shaq
>suddenly improve or were "YOU" wrong?  Call it an objectivity self test.
>
>Roy
>  
	Here's a "self test" for you, Roy.  Take a sheet of paper, and draw
a vertical line down the middle.  Write "Laettner" at the top of the left 
column, and "Shaq" at the top of the right column.  In the left column, write
a list of all the national "Player of the Year" awards that Laettner won.  In
the right column, write a list of all the national "Player of the Year" awards
that O'Neal won.  Then look at the list, and say to yourself:

	"<name> is the consensus college player of the year."

	where <name> contains the name at the top of the non-empty list.

	Think you can do that, Roy?

--
"If you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce, they taste more like
prunes than rhubarb does."		-Groucho Marx

George.Harris@bbs.oit.unc.edu	or, preferably	gharris@jade.tufts.edu


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From: bolton-b@sparc.ncsu.edu (Bennie)
Subject: LOOKS LIKE THE WOLFPACK IS THE TEAM IN 1993!
Reply-To: bolton-b@sparc.ncsu.edu (Bennie)
Organization: North Carolina State University SPARC Project
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 01:49:49 GMT

> Congrats to the 1991-92 Duke Blue Devil's, the greatest college team in the 
> history of the ACC (yes, better than 81-82 Tarheels or 73-75 WolfPack!).

YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!

THE PACK WAS UNSTOPPABLE!!!

By the way, besides everyone on the Blue Devils basketball team, Coach K,
the faculty, staff, students, and alumni of Duke, and their ugly stone
campus, I don't hate Duke that much. 

Now that Christian "Antichrist" Laettner is gone, maybe the Duke fans
will shut up, since their team won't amount to sh*t next year.  That is,
unless the refs keep up their anti-Duke bias.

GO WOLFPACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bennie
From: mjk@icf.hrb.com (Michael J. Kelley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Duke went to line more all year
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:25:26 GMT
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

I'm not here to defend Duke, but to just state the facts. Duke shot 400+ more
free throws and commited 200 less fouls than their opponents this year. So 
the IU/Duke game was no different than the games Duke played all year. Their
style of play gets them those kind of breaks and they take advantage of them. 
So IU fans quit your whinning and face the facts. You lost.

In case anyone was wondering, I wanted IU to win. 

Good teams can overcome adversity. Just like last night, Laetner and Hurley
couldn't make beans and yet they won. 

                                                              Mike Kelley
                                                              HRB Systems
                                                              St. College, Pa.

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From: wcd2z@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (William Camden Daniel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: OKAY, DUKE FANS... WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO NEXT YEAR?
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:18:29 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

All these threats from Fudgepack (oops Wolfpack) fans.......
Don't make me laugh....
You guys don't have a clue, and there's no place at that school
to buy one....
It's just like in football, you will lose, lose, lose, and
lose.
Those four losses will be to Duke, Duke, Virginia, Virginia,
and that doesn't count the way UNC will beat you like a drum.
Your last great chance left with Jimmy V. and until you get a
real coach, a victory against Duke will probably come...Oh say
around the time Halley's Comet comes around again. *grin*

Only in the ACC can I get away with saying that, good luck next
year anyway, it' all in fun, don't take it personally 8-)

                                       Bill
From: Richard.S.Miyara@dartmouth.edu (Richard S. Miyara)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Michigan Fab 5
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:41:05 GMT
 <1992Apr7.201441.26810@walter.bellcore.com>  
 <1992Apr8.004130.27738@talon.ucs.orst.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Apr8.004130.27738@talon.ucs.orst.edu>
navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant
Pathology) writes:

> I think Michigan will be a super team in a few 
> years--if everybody stays. I can't see Weber staying past his sophomore
> year if he has a great year next year.
> 
> Roy

I was hoping someone would make this point.  In looking at college
players as  pontential NBA players, noone impressed me more that
Webber.  IMnsHO, I think that he is going to be an NBA superstar.  I
only hope that he stays in school long enough to develop more.  His
play thoughout the tournament was incredibly impressive.

Just my $.02 worth.
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: National Coach of Year??
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:07:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr7.100757.4898
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin - Madison
Originator: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

In article <BILLMS.92Apr6172017@z.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>
>   In article <1992Apr6.112118.10473@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>   I like these candidates. I would definitely have to also include
>
>
>       4) John MacLeod- Notre Dame (questionable, but did something
>			with nothing)
>

I did NOT praise "MacLeod" in my post.  Rather, I disputed the fact that he
did something with nothing.  If you are going to quote people, quote them
correctly.  See the one arrow by my name?  That means anything I would have
written would have had TWO arrows preceeding it, not one.
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Hurley v. Laettner (was: OKAY, DUKE FANS.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:36:42 GMT
Organization: My Daddy, My Doggy, and Me
X-Bytes: 

DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE writes:
>
>  The only thing I have to say about Duke:
>
>  Lattner has not been the best player at Duke: It is Bobby Hurley.
>
I like Hurley a lot but I don't think this is so. Laettner is an amazing
shooter for a man his size and can play, if motivated, very good post defense.
But Hurley has nothing to apologize for. If you've got a tape of the Vegas
game, look at how much off of him the "quicker" Vegas guards played.
R-E-S-P-E-C-T.  I don't know if he'll be able to make the transition to the 
pro game, but I hope so. (Every one compares him to Stockton, but Hurley IS 
a little guy. Stockton isn't muscular exactly, but he looks strong.) But 
there is still next year to watch him, anyway. Parks will be a much bigger 
low post target than Laettner, so you know Hurley will have a good shot at 
the collegiate assists record.
-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu>  
You know, there's many a damned fool woulda swallered that.
From: cirullo@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Goeffrey Cirullo)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1992 18:03:14 GMT
Subject: UNLV Coach
Organization: HEWLETT PACKARD / PGP
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college

Now that UNLV has a new coach, will they be able to play in the NCAA tourney?

I believe Rollie's style will be a pleasant contrast to Tark's towel eating 
antics.  West Coast basketball needs a coach with personality.  The game is
virtually ignored by the media and therefore the fans.  Rollie will make an
impact just by being an interesting coach.  

With Rollie at the helm, UNLV will continue to dominate the Big West. But
he will hopefully raise the level of play in the conference to a respectable
level.  Admittedly, UCSB has had some good seasons, and New Mexico State
suprised a lot of people this year.  Still the conference has a long way to
go.

Good Luck Rollie, we need you out here!

geoff cirullo
From: burgin@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Robert Burgin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Freshman talent in the Final Four
Summary: Danny Manning maybe?
Date: 9 Apr 92 11:06:58 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <53776@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>In article <702574000@termite.cs.duke.edu> db@duke.cs.duke.edu (Dov Bulka) writes:
>>Case 2 above is standard practice. How do you think Danny Ferry's
>>high school coach got to be an assistant at Duke?
>
>Didn't Ferry play at DeMatha for Morgan Wooten? Is he really an assistant at
>Duke now, I thought he was still at DeMatha. Maybe it was a Wooten assistant?

	Maybe the original poster meant Danny MANNING, whose father
	became an assistant coach at Kansas?

	Or maybe the original poster just doesn't know what he's
	talking about.  With this newsgroup, I wouldn't 
	be surprised.

	--rb
From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Net Basketball Talent (was Re: Duke Tourney Observations)
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:32:44 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <1992Apr15.140150.13907@cs.ucla.edu> lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange) writes:
>In article <54588@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>>However, Trent Lange is almost certainly the only r.s.bb.c regular 
>>to have played ball in front of thousands at a major arena this
>>past season, so he must be the best.
>
>Not only that, but I won valuable prizes for my efforts.
>
>Just like UNLV and Kentucky players.

What?  You mean the NCAA put you on probation too?  No TV and no 
post season tournaments for you for how many years?

That's quite an honor.  "Trent Lange, the only net.personality to go
on NCAA probation."

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: bernstei@acorn.. (James Bernstein)
Subject: knight out at IU
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 18:53:44 GMT

Pat Knight, that is.  The 6-6 redshirt sophomore was kicked off the team  
by His Old Man, The Mentor, after he had been arrested for public  
intoxication early Wednesday morning.

The story in this morning's Bloomington Herald-Times says police observed  
Pat Knight staggering out of a bar with friends.  They got into a red BMW  
(Knight was not driving) and police followed and pulled them over.  The  
driver had a suspended license and when police tried to deal with the  
situation, Pat Knight began using abusive language (what a chip off the  
old block!).

It  is  difficult to tell whether this is a permanent suspension.  The  
implication in the newspaper story was that it was permanent.  If so, that  
would free up  a scholarship, although to whom it would go is a mystery.   
Besides, who's out there worth giving a scholarship to?  (aside from  
Harrington.)

Jim Bernstein
School of Journalism
Indiana University
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: sean@ms.uky.edu (Sean Casey)
Subject: Re: Congraduate to Duke.....NOT!
    <1992Apr7.021451.19105@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> <44173@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> 
    <12005@ns-mx.uiowa.edu>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 07:05:40 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Bytes: 

I agree. Too many no-calls for Duke, *especially* in the Indiana game.
I actually wanted Duke to win after they beat us, but not after being
handed no-calls on a silver platter. That's just too easy.

Sean

-- 
                  |``Wind, waves, etc. are breakdowns in the face of the
Sean Casey        | commitment to getting from here to there. But they are the
sean@s.ms.uky.edu | conditions for sailing -- not something to be gotten rid
U of KY, Lexington| of, but something to be danced with.''
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: ncovey@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neil covey)
Subject: Lousiana HS player
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 16:34:10 GMT

Anyone out there know anything about (Scottie?) Thurman, a small forward
from Ruston.  He may have signed with Arkansas.
From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Top 10
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:10:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr8.031039.17494
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


Here's my pre-season favorites for top ten (Not  in any order):

Kentucky
IU
Michigan
Kansas
North Carolina
Duke
Louisville
Ohio St.
UCLA
Arizona

Mike
-- 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Net Basketball Talent (was Re: Duke Tourney Observations)
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:40:27 CDT
Originator: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

In article <54247@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>In article <2319@news.duke.edu> trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>>1) Read in McNews the other day that some pro scouts have projected Grant
>>Hill as a #5 or #6 pick if he came out for the draft *this year*!  Some have
>>compared him to Dr J. (not Burch! :-) )  They admire his moves to the basket,
>>rebounding, ballhandling and defense, which I feel is the most underrated
>>...
>>--Robert Clough
>
>If you only saw MY moves to the basket, rebounding, ballhandling, and 
>defense.....
>
>               ..... you'd ..... you'd ..... you'd .....
>
>                                                    ..... die laughing.

This brings up an interesting question:  how good are most of you net.gods
at playing basketball?  What types of players are you?  And come on, be
honest - no false claims.

I am short, heavy-set, and relatively clumsy on my feet, which translates
to bad on defense and bad at moving towards the basket.  I am a pretty bad
ballhandler, too.  I can rebound OK, actually pretty well for my height.
Once in a while at get into a hot streak shooting the ball, but doesn't
everyone?
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: neierka@sarah.cs.rose-hulman.edu (Kent A. Neier)
Subject: Re: Who was Indiana's Mr. Basketball
Reply-To: neierka@cs.rose-hulman.edu
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:15:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.235322.17236@cs.rose-hulman.edu>, erwinaw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Anthony W Erwin) writes:
|> 	Here's my prediction for next year.  There will be a co-Mr.  
|> Basketball next year.  It will go to Kojak Fuller and Randy Zachary of  
|> Anderson High School.
|> 	Also, I don't see anyone stopping Anderson since Zachary announced  
|> he will be playing there next year.

I was just about to post something on Zachary transferring.  Supposedly he originally
lived in Anderson's school district, and his parents recently decided to move back
to that home (from the Indianapolis News last week).

What I was wondering, is if perhaps Randy is trying to avoid pressure by Alan Darner
(Coach of Highland, and father of Linc Darner--guard at Purdue) to become a boiler.
Does anyone have any idea if he's narrowed down his college choices yet (Fuller as well).


|> 
|> 			Sincerely,
|> 			Tony Erwin
|> 
|> Go Jay County Patriots!!!!!!


Kent
neierka@cs.rose-hulman.edu
From: yl44729@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ricker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Duke-Michigan game: the last few minutes
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:50:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr10.185019.9534
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:

>Furthermore, shouldn't there be a rule against intentional fouling in
>the last three minutes of the game?  Sometimes the last three minutes 
>seem forever and ever.  The last three minutes of game time often translate 
>into 15 minutes of real time.

The last 3 minutes seems like more than 15 minutes real time.  There is an
intentional foul rule, but as long as you go for the ball, it's not an
intentional foul.  What makes the last few minutes long are also the timeouts.
Somes each teams has like 2 or 3 timeouts left at the end of each game, and 
the keep calling timeouts in the last few minutes.  What really gets me is
the back to back timeouts.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: # 1 All Season
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:26:44 GMT
Organization: My Daddy, My Doggy, and Me
X-Bytes: 

kenneth@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>> 
>> 	UNLV was rated #2 the year they won the title -- Oklahoma had the honor
>> 	of being ranked #1 (and they ended up losing in the 2nd round of the
>> 	tourney to North Carolina).  I think the only team in the post-UCLA
>> 	era that was ranked all season at #1 was the 1982 North Carolina Tar
>> 	Heels, with Jordan, Worthy, Perkins, etc...
>
>
UK was rated #1 all year in 1978 and what a drag it was, too.
(Co-incidentally, the team UK beat in the finals was ****. And just as
UK was beaten this year by a perfect performance, so too was **** beaten
in '78 by a perfect performance. Jack Givens hitting one from the side
with the ball ricocheting off the corner of the backboard...! Whoa! Katie
bar the door. ....
-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu>  
You know, there's many a damned fool woulda swallered that.