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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:46:47 EDT
From:         Scott <SBROOKS@PSUHMC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: getting R/O access with XEDIT
              8 Oct 1992 14:52:59 -0400 from <leiba@WATSON.IBM.COM>

On Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:52:59 -0400 Barry Leiba, Watson Host Distributed Systems s
>There is no way to do what you want, but there's a SHARE requirement
>open for it.
>                           Barry Leiba, Watson Host Distributed Systems
>                                       Bitnet, IBM network: leiba@watson
>                                      Internet: leiba@watson.ibm.com

Thanks Barry!  (SHARE might be what I have to resort to.)

Scott

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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:20:22 EDT
From:         Bill Bitner <BITNER@GDLVM7.VNET.IBM.COM>
Subject:      USERS parm

I'm surprised that ISPF or whatever is keeping an active agent.  I could
see hitting peaks from users all hitting enter at the exact same time.
We work so hard to keep our benchmarks/workloads distributed with random
think times and now I see a case where the hardcoded exact think times
would be real life!!
It's too late to modify the documentation for Release 2.0, but I'll
pass it on that the USERS parm description needs some beefing up.  When
increasing USERS parm keep in mind that other things, besides number of
agents, can be governed by USERS.  The CAT/CTLBUFFERS, if not explicitly
set, are set proportionally to USERS.  The trade off of having too high
a USERS value is increased storage requirements and potential for
increased checkpoint duration.  Increased storage requirements can lead
to additional page fault serialization.
If page fault serialization becomes a problem, reserving pages (CP RESERVE
command) can provide relief.  For elongated checkpoint processing, we did
make some improvements in ESA 1.1 and significant improvement in ESA 2.0.
I hope this helps.  The ISPF situation is out of my realm, but I'm sure
Scott Nettleship will have something to add (he's on vacation, give him a
chance).

Bill Bitner - VM Performance Evaluation - IBM Endicott Programming Lab
Internet:  Bitner@GDLVM7.vnet.ibm.com   IBMMail:  USIB1E29 at IBMMAIL
Bitnet:    Bitner at vnet
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:02:21 -0400
From:         "John F. Chandler" <PEPMNT@CFAAMP.BITNET>
Subject:      interconnect=NO

Over a year ago, Barry Hathaway reported the results of polling the
gatemasters of domains registered with :interconnect.NO, including
a number of "promises" for changes that still haven't happened.  Surely,
something can be done about that.  Here is a list of the expected
changes that haven't happened.  On the other hand, four of the changes
*did* occur, and two of the domains simply dropped out.

> Date:         Thu, 25 Apr 91 15:34:17 EDT
> From:         Barry Hathaway <HATHAWA@GECRDVM1.CRD.GE.COM>
> Subject:      Using SMTP instead of RSCS; DOMAIN NAMES
>
> Domain Name  Responded?   Comments
> BE           Y            should be MX.
> BR           Y            should be MX.  Gatemaster will make change.
> AMHERST.EDU  Y            Full Internet connection soon.
> GETTYSBURG.EDU Y          Full Internet connection soon
> LOYOLA.EDU   Y            Internet connection on May 1.
> UCHICAGO.EDU Y            should be MX.  Gatemaster will change.
> UVCC.EDU     Y            New Internet connection
> UVM.EDU      Y            New Internet connection
> TW           Y            Will connect to JvNCNet this summer
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:02:00 CDT
From:         CONLEY%MSUVX2@MEMSTVX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Intervention

        Hello all,

        Mark!...

Hi, My name is Mark Dessert, I am a student at Gallaudet University, I
recently joined this conference and have yet to submit a bio.  (Will
follow up soon.)  I just wanted to offer a suggestion that might be
helpful to you.  If You write to the National Information Center on
Deafness they will provide you with the type of information that you
seek.  They are a clearing house for any and all types of information
related to deafness and I think you will find that what you receive will
be an unbiased answer to whatever question you ask; without being told
that one philosophy is better than another.  They can help your friends
make the best choice they can for their child.

N.I.C.D.
800 Florida Ave NE
Washington DC 20002

Good luck
From: pj_pycro@csd.uwe.ac.uk (PJ Pycroft)
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Subject: Re: politicians
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:29:17 GMT
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IS30124@OTAGO.AC.NZ wrote:
: Subj:	RE: hello - bio
: 
: Paul says:-
: P> Perhaps Barry would like to join U.K. University and gives his view...
: 
: No thanks, mate. I cannot afford the flight to the UK. Anyway, becoming a
: politician is quite off my career path. However, I would be interested to
: hear of any deaf person doing well in the business world, e.g. property
: investors, directors of industrial companies. I have never heard of any
: deaf directors or senior employees in NZ.
: 
Me - Paul....

Yeah, I respect your view, same as me - becoming a politican is quite off
my career path.

In this country, there are deaf person who doing well in business world,
directors of industrial companies and even showbusiness and whatever you
name it....

I have visited to USA many times and I really enjoyed their hospitality...

Wondering what are your interest???

Paul
 




: Michelle Muth says:-
: MM>Political Science and Pre-Law.  I suggest that you, Barry, move to USA to
: MM>test your political rights, I think u will be more satisfied here.
: 
: No thanks, Michelle. I am quite happy here in Kiwi Land. When I visited the
: United States in May, I noticed a big contrast: I saw a lot of expression of
: freedom in the US - Venice Beach displays, roadside signs, all sorts of
: magazines AND the sight of drunks and homeless, especially in Los Angeles and
: New York City. I couldn't really say those luckless folk have freedom. With
: respect to Americans (i.e. no insult intended), perhaps the only difference
: from communism is that money controls freedom in the USA.
: 
: By contrast, I have NEVER seen a homeless person on a street in NZ. I've seen
: one or two rubbish rummagers, but beggars in NZ? Unconceivable!
: 
: I doubt if most deaf people in NZ understood the referendum on electoral
: reform. Did the uni people tell you in politicial studies that politics is about
: compromise? Not breaking any promises is very difficult. Politicial situations
: are very changeable and a politician can get caught in many dilemmas. I mean,
: the reality of politics (in NZ, at least) is very different from the "not
: break any promises" ideal.
: 
: MM> I suggest that you, Barry, move to USA to
: MM> test your political rights, I think u will be more satisfied here.
: 
: "Political rights" (see above) - I suppose you mean the kind of liberty in USA
: that I noticed when I visited the States?
: 
: Barry Kirkland.
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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:58:22 BST
From:         Bosco Keown <KEOWN@WINVMC.VNET.IBM.COM>
Subject:      politicians

Ref:  Paul Pycroft's posting of Wed, 14 Oct 1992 11:29:17 GMT

Paul writes:

>In this country, there are deaf person who doing well in business world,
>directors of industrial companies and even showbusiness and whatever you
>name it....


Come on, Paul!  The situation is not as rosy as you make it out to be.
Who are the "directors of industrial companies" you are talking about?
I should like to know who they are so I can see how they got where they
are, otherwise I'm wasting my time here. :-)


Bosco.

John Bosco Keown,
CICS/6000 Development,         | VNET     : KEOWN at WINVMC
IBM UK Laboratories, Ltd.,     | IBMIPNET : keown@harpo.hursley.ibm.com
Hursley Park,                  | Internet : keown@winvmc.vnet.ibm.com
Winchester, England.           | BITNET   : KEOWN at VNET
From: garvey@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (Heather Garvey)
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Subject: Re: FIST SHAKING IN THE AIR
Date: 16 Oct 1992 22:11:25 GMT
Organization: Smith Undergrad Lab, CWRU, Cleve. OH
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"Stephen J. Kotchen" <CASK@CATCC.BITNET> writes:
>
>> >You and your
>> >people still believe that deaf cannot do anything.
>>
>> 	Who said "cannot do anything"? I believe only the phrase
>> "cannot do some things" was used, which is pretty much true. There
>> are a FEW HEARING-RELATED things that one cannot do if one cannot
>> hear. Football is not one of them, nor did anyone *here* claim it
>> was.
>>
>BEFORE I get more nastier, I'd like to know what your definition
>in "Deaf is permanently DISABLED".   Do you mean that Deaf is
>permanently DISABLED to hear or functions in hearing society?
>I get the impression that phrase "Deaf is permanently Disabled"
>means that deaf is born loser.

	THE ONLY GODDAMNED POST I MADE ON THE SUBJECT WAS MY 
DEFINITION ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 'DISABLED' AND 'HANDICAPPED'!!!!
GO READ IT! JEEEEEZUS! 
	DISABLED MEANS "UNABLE TO DO SOMETHING" like HEAR!
	YOU WILL ALWAYS BE UNABLE TO HEAR!
	HANDICAPPED IS "HOW YOUR INABILITY TO DO SOMETHING AFFECTS
YOU". IF YOU DON'T NEED TO HEAR TO PLAY FOOTBALL, THEN IT'S NOT A 
HANDICAP THAT YOU CANNOT HEAR!!! YOUR "DISABILITY" IS NOT "HANDICAPPING"
YOU!

>> >    For example, when I was in Liberty University, one woman came up to
>> >me and ask me "How can you understand people sign in television?"
>>
>> 	How exactly are you parsing this sentence? Especially the part
>> about "people sign". Is that "How can you understand people who sign
>> on TV?" or "How can you understand people who don't sign on TV?" or
>> what?
>
>(Sigh) For the millionth times: She said "How can you understand people
>who signs on TV."  Obviously, she thinks that I cannot understand
>sign language on TV.

	For the millionth time? How many of your posts are not getting 
through to this newsgroup? You wrote a badly ambiguous sentence in 
less-than-correct English and suddenly *I'M* the ignorant one? I just 
wanted to make sure I understood what you were (ineptly) trying to
say.
	And yes, that is a really stupid woman. 

>Congratulation!!!!  You've received Roy Miller's Award for excellence
>in defining "Dumb" in 1920.  The definition of "Dumb" in 1992 means
>"unable to learn anything"   You should know that.   If not, I'm not
>surprise that you're shutted in your own house for quite a while.

	Yeah, but no one uses it anymore. If only people around you are
using it, maybe there's a real good reason....


--
	" ...dealing with Free-Net makes me very angry  | Heather "Moose"
and gives me thoughts of breaking things and torturing  | Garvey, Biochem 93'
small animals. "   --  Bruce Ikenaga <bxi@po.cwru.edu>  | <hlg@po.cwru.edu>
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:12:00 -0700
From:         MUTH_M@CUBLDR.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Anti-Deaf perspective vomit

Hurrah to Stephen!!  I couldn't say it any better!!  Maybe Bill, Heather and
dumb woman will learn their lesson!!

michelle
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:49:00 -0700
From:         MUTH_M@CUBLDR.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Handicap Digest?

replying to Bill Peter's message of handicap.

How can being able to talk on the phone, using the TTY being a handicap?
I believe that there is a difference between being deaf, being able to do
anything but hear and being blind, being able to do anything but see...
I'm not going to insult any blind people, but the difference is that the deaf
people can succeed dispite of their deafness.  A deaf person learning ASL all
their life without learning english can still succeed.

I am severly deaf in one ear, and profoundly deaf in the other.  I am successful
   in school, and in other things.  I was the only deaf senior class president
at my school which was a all hearing school.  I went to the National Young
Leaders conference in Washington, D.C.  I was the Miss Indian Colorado two
years ago.  I am very active in clubs, College Democrats, Oyate(Native American
Club), and Deaf club.   Is that a handicap?  What I am trying to say is that,
I have done anything a hearing person could do...
michelle
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:18:00 -0500
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From:         "Keith Watt - Gallaudet Dept. of Education"
              <11CWATT@GALLUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: John Tracy Clinic

Hello Bill -

>But only some Israeli deaf use sign language, and I have been told that
>those who do sign only use Signed Hebrew nowadays.  Because Hebrew is the
>mainstream language of Israel, this is not a unique culture at all.

If they don't have a seperate language, I agree with you.  This would be
most unusual, though.  I wasn't able to attend Deaf Way this past time, but
I think there was a performing group from Israel here.  Does anyone know
what language they used?

>But ASL culture seems both limited and transient.  Limited in the sense
>that only those American deaf who speak it are a part of the culture, and
>then only during their lifetime.  That is, the learned and shared behaviors and
>perceptions are transmitted from generation to generation via ASL, but
>usually not within the same family!  And non-familial transmittal is often
>incomplete and ineffectual.

Hmm..I disagree.  It's true American Deaf Culture is not transmitted
through the family.  It's transmitted through one's peers and from contact
with Deaf adults.  It works quite effectively.  Yes, you are only a member
of the culture during your lifetime, but that's true of ANY culture!  The
stories, folklore, world view, and heritage, however, lives on - and that
is what makes up the culture.  Non-familial transmittal may appear strange
to anyone raised in a culture where the family is the primary means of
enculturation.  However, this is - in my opinion - simply the effect of the
"cultural lenses" placed on each of us at birth.  It's true that in many
(if not most) cultures, the family is the primary vehicle of enculturation,
but that does not mean it's the only effective or acceptable way.  In fact,
recent research now shows that the school is fast replacing the family as
the primary vehicle of encultration in American mainstream society.  (I
will dig up that reference for you, I thought I had th article with me, but
it's at home.)

>As his parent, I have to make the decision on what is best for him.  That's
>the awful responsibility of being a parent.

So true.  And that's the bottom line, isn't it?  We all have to try to make
th best decisions we can.  I may not agree with your decision, but neither
am I - nor will anyone ever be - in your exact situation.  Best of luck to
you!


Take care..
Keith
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:31:02 EST
From:         A249000 Mike Wilson <A249@NMUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Hello Bio

Hi Barry, welcome to the list. Mike Wilson
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:06:00 CDT
From:         CONLEY%MSUVX2@MEMSTVX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Intervention

        Hi all,
(Sorry, about the 'boo-boo' listing before..... problems with the system)

Hi, My name is Mark Dessert, I am a student at Gallaudet University, I
recently joined this conference and have yet to submit a bio.  (Will
follow up soon.)

        Waiting.......waiting......just kidding!
        Welcome to the net and ENJOY!

                                        Steven Conlee
                                        CONLEY@MEMSTVX1.MEMST.EDU
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Date:         Sat, 17 Oct 1992 00:07:11 EDT
From:         Mireille <M104540@UQAM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Some concerns about the current incarnation of the list

Keith,
I take some time to come say that you are really, really a great man ! :)

Iliked what you said...I don't really bother to come anymore, I almost signed
off lately. The list make me think of some colleges rooms...It's not an
interting list anymore, and it's so bad ! We had fun in a civilised manner
before...

Hope that it's going like you want at Gallaudet.

Take care !

Mireille, Montreal, Canada M104540@UQAM.Bitnet.Ca
From: DMIMI@ECSVAX.BITNET (Miriam Clifford)
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Subject: Re: thinking about handicaps
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:51:18 GMT
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Not whiny at all, Esther.  Good point, well made.

dmimi@ecsvax.uncecs.edu  dmimi@ecsvax.bitnet
Miriam (Mimi) Clifford; 2535 Sevier St, Durham, NC 27705; 919-489-4821
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:24:13 CST
From:         "L. Erwin Atwood" <GA0868@SIUCVMB.BITNET>
Subject:      Handicaps

I have no interest in arguing about the definition of what a handicap is
or is not.  However, several hearing members of the list have missed
Lew's point about the comment that was made suggesting that hearing can
be a handicap.  When hearing people make statements to the fact that
hearing is a handicap in a noisy room or in a sign class, their comments
come across as patronizing to those of us who are deaf or hard of hearing.
The vast majority of us who are deaf or hard of hearing were born to
hearing parents.  You have no idea of what it is like to be language
deprived as an infant; you have no understanding of what it like to acquire
an aural language when you lack the physical capacity for aural reception;
you have no understanding of the years of effort and struggle that are
required to learn to voice sounds you yourself cannot hear; you do not
understand the exhausting effort that is required of speechreader.

One handicap that does stand out among the hearing is that too often
they don't listen.

Erwin Atwood GA0868@SIUCVMB
From: askwersk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
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Subject: Re: hype
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:23:36 GMT
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              15 Oct 92 02:59:26 +0700. <9210150147.AA04436@Athena.MIT.EDU>

My opinion of "deaf people can do anything hearing people can do...except hear":

	Being a scientist, I have to take a scientific view. It is obvious we
deaf and HOH people (note I _AM_ a part of that group) CANNOT do anything. If
you change the sentence a little bit:

"Deaf people can TRY anything they want to."

	That is deafinitely true! If you fail, you can look back on your actions
and try to find out what went wrong. If it is related to your deafness then
King Jordans statement IS Hype, as Lew put it.

	If you succeed, you will be glad that you tried! Deafness varies so much
from person to person you cant just say 'all deaf people cannot do this'. TRY it
first before you tell yourself "I cant do this because I'm deaf!"

Adam Skwersky
From: 91babik@gw.wmich.edu (Lisamarie Gemma Babik)
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Subject: Re: RE:KA-BLOOIE! (Luckily, Not!)
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:19:28 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <DEAF-L%92100616400984@SIUCVMB.BITNET>, CONLEY%MSUVX2@MEMSTVX1.BITNET writes:
>         Lisamarie Babik,
>           WELCOME BACK TO THE WORLD!!!
>           Sorry to hear about your "killer stove"!
>           I think we're all glad your still here;  besides, what
>           would we do without your "COW" jokes. (I'm still laughing
>           at that one....care to .sig it again?)

Glad to be back, Steven!

And here's the cow.sig, just for you!  :)

/***********************************************************************/
/          (__)		  Lisamarie Gemma Babik				/
/          (oo)								/
/   /-------\/ 	          91babik@gw.wmich.edu				/
/  / |     ||  								/
/ *  ||----||  		When cows laugh really hard,			/
/    ^^    ^^  	       does milk come out their nose?			/
/***********************************************************************/
From: pj_pycro@csd.uwe.ac.uk (PJ Pycroft)
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Subject: Re: LGB language - and quality of DE AF-L newsgroup
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:27:12 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol
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Capt. Regis (CA38%CATCC.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU) wrote:
: > i think it's relevant as far as labels are concerned.
: > if you don't like it, put it in your killfile and stop
: > wasting bandwidth complaining.
: >
: > -teddy
: HEY TEDDY  WHAT ABOUT YOU??   SHOULD U STAY OUT OF THIS ISSUE?
: OR SHOULD YOU BEHEAD AND TRASH IT IN ENGLAND??
                                       ^^^^^^^^^

NOOOOOO.... better still if you trash it in Mexico.. (they have no care in
world environment!!)
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From:         Ishbel Donkin <ishbeld@CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: hello - bio

Michelle/Barry -
How about Barry heading for the UK and getting into Parliament!  We are
lacking a deaf Member of Parliament now that Jack Ashley has retired
from the House of Commons and moved to the House of Lords.  He will,
of course, continue to work for deaf and other disabled and
disadvantaged people from there (he's profoundly deaf and had been an MP
for around 25 years, being re-elected several times by his constituency).
There's also a notable woman MP who is severely deaf and very much in
the public eye for her political campaigns and not only for the deaf
community.  There are also one or two other deaf people who are into
politics at local level in Great Britain.

Ishbel.
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From:         "(Seth Gordon)" <sethg@SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      Skepticism of Henry Kisor
              5 Oct 1992 11:33:00 EDT <9210061516.AA09658@silver.lcs.mit.edu>

Unfortunately, once people have a theory about how the world works,
they tend to notice facts that *confirm* the theory, and not look
for facts that would *disprove* it.
--
seth gordon ... <sethg@silver.lcs.mit.edu>   ... .sig under construction;
mit bs '91  ... learning ctr 4 deaf children ... pardon the inconvenience