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From: ahansfor@coal.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford)
Subject: Re: @$#^@$%# 2.04!
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:55:07 GMT

>>>>> On Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:50:11 GMT, aites@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jim Aites) said:

 > I once tried suggesting that a 'good' developer would try to cover
 > the bases with both 1.3 and 2.0.  Guess what the response was?
 > "Catch-up with the *rest* of US!" <snicker> and "Why bother?"

Developers are free to choose whatever release of the OS and forward
they want to support.  Yes, right now good software works correctly on
1.3 and 2.0.  Much of this software was initially developed under 1.3
and continues compatibility.  That's fine.  

Some of what you see now is added features when running under 2.0.
That too is fine.  1.3 compatibility with 2.0 features when under that
OS.

NEW software will probably be developed under 2.0. and will lose 1.3
compatibility.  This may not be the case and a software Co. should
look at the target market.  If it's still 1.3 then 1.3 compatibility
is needed.  If the target market is moving toward 2.0 then they may
not want to take the time to support 1.3.

The 2.0 upgrades are not as available as they need to be.  But as more
and more people buy them, and as Commodore finally decides to stop
selling 1.3 then the support for it will die off. And those who will
or cannot upgrade will be stuck.

For now most apps are 1.3 compatible.  What about those people who
don't want to upgrade from 1.1???  Should SW support 1.0 and forward.
I figure those people who invested in 2.0 want software to use the new
OS to its potential.

 > Where _WERE_ these people in '87 anyway?  High school?  Please
 > excuse me, but my attitude seems to be showing.

'87  1.2 couldn't boot of your HD.  GEE, do I miss those good OLD days.

-- Andrew Hansford
   ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: wbennett@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William F Bennett)
Subject: Re: Problem with Amiback 2.0
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:10:21 GMT

In article <058H02l01bKM01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> asl00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Andr
ew S. Lee) writes:
>I've recently run into a problem and need some help.
>My hardware configuration is as follows:
>
>Amiga 2000 (5MB)
>A2091 controller
>105S Quantum prodrive
>40S Quantum prodrive
>Archive Viper 2150s
>
>I'm running Amibcak 2.0c and am having lots of trouble finishing a
>complete, or full, backup.  What happens is that the controller will
>go into a solid lock, with the activity light on continuously, during
>a backup operation.  I've rerun the backups many times with the controller
>hosed up at different points each time.  The rest of the system is fine
>but anything requiring going to the hard drive just hangs.
>
>I've checked all connections and terminators and they all seem fine.
>Bad tapes don't seem to be the problem as I tried many different ones
>and still haven't had any success.  The only thing I've done recently
>is to replace my internal floppy with a new one.  I'm starting to suspect
>my controller or tape drive as the culprit.  Any suggestions would be
>highly apprecieated.  Thanks.
>
>Andy
>--
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Andrew Lee
><asl00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>
>(408)746-8561
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------

     Andy,
          I had a similar problem with QB 4.3 and my GVP II controller with 
SyQuest and Seagate Drives. Problem was solved when I disabled the 
Disconnect/Reconnect Option using FastPrep from GVP. I'm not that familiar with
your equipment but I bet there is a similar option. You may need to search for 
some software that changes the RDB (Rigid Disk Block) that is written to the  
Drive.
-- 
Bill Bennett     wbennett@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
From: jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Tape SCSI medium error (HardFrame/Viper)
Date: 28 Jul 92 06:07:33 GMT
Organization: is sometimes desirable

In article <1992Jul22.092234.1213@walter.cray.com>, Daniel Baehr writes:

>  me to use ONLY 3M tapes.  I believe him!!  The only tapes that have held
>  up are the 3Ms I have.  The Sony and Verbatums died.  So, clean your

I have had little success with the Sony 6250 tapes on my Archive 2150S.  Most
of the Sony's won't write an entire backup - even on the first try.  The 3M
tapes work pretty well, though.

Anyone out there know a good, inexpensive source of new 3M 6250 tapes?


                                                Jim Pritchett


UUCP:  utacfd.uta.edu!rwsys!caleb!jdp
 or    texsun.central.sun.com!letni!rwsys!caleb!jdp
 or    spudge.lonestar.org!caleb!jdp
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Sparc coprocessors
Keywords: coprocessors, sparc, bridgeboard
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:43:29 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Donald.Kennedy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Donald Kennedy) writes:

>I've seen some Sparc clones on a card recently that are pretty much host
>independant (much like the  CBM Bridgeboards, requiring a host system of
>AT class or greater only for I/O). What would be the demand for a
>parasitic Sparc system on an Amiga?

I have the same thought when I saw a Sparc2-on-a-card for IBM PC/AT (ISA).  
Granted, the card is more expensive than an A3000.  Nonetheless, at
least A2000/2500/3000 can use it!!! 

Think about it, the Amiga can "emulate" a Sparc 2 now! Impressive.

>Don Kennedy
>Donald.Kennedy@bbs.oit.unc.edu

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin


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From: yurick@vaxb.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: HELP! 1 MEG agnus update=blank screen
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:08:22 GMT
Organization: LLNL_LIS

Hello all,
  Today I removed my 1/2 meg Agnus chip, replaced it with the 1 meg chip
(8372A), changed J101 to short out the first and middle post (rather than the
middle and 3rd post), and opened J500.  I put everything back together, turned
on my machine...and saw a BLANK WHITE SCREEN!!??  
  
Here's my set up:
  A2000, 4.5 Megs of fast ram, ???Meg of chip ram, rev 4.2 mother board, A2090
SCSI HD controller, 20 Meg miniscribe HD, MultiStartII (with 1.3 & 2.0 ROMS),
external floppy drive (that wasn't hooked up during the test).  

What happened, and what can I do to fix it???  Any information would help out
greatly!!!!

Joe
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Question for Commodore A2286 guru:
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Date: 21 Jul 92 07:35:56 EST
Organization: Wright State University 



I want to run Borland's Turbo C++ on my A2286 BB.  Will the A2286 work
properly in protected mode?  If not, is there a mod to fix it?
I'm using MS-DOS 5.0.

I've posted a longer message, asking basically this same question in
comp.sys.amiga.emulations.

BTW, I am going to (hopefully) borrow a extended memory board from a PC 
guru friend and see if TC++ works regardless (it requires:  286 or higher 
processor, extended memory > 1 mb, protected mode).

You may respond via E-mail if you wish:  fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu.  
And many thanks in advance!
From: kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Video Toaster question?
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:01:25 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

A quick question about the Video Toaster from NewTek. I just got
the Revolution videotape and am very close to making the purchase.
I know they currently sell a plug-in card for the Amiga 2000, but
have they made a card for the 3000 yet? I own a 2000 already, but
might be able to upgrade to a 3000 as well.

Another quickie for anyone out there that owns a video toaster.
Do you recommend getting an accelerator card and if so, which one?

                                         Thanks,
                                         T.K. Kontos
From: mks@cbmvax.commodore.com (Michael Sinz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A600 HD ?
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:41:55 GMT
Reply-To: mks@cbmvax.commodore.com (Michael Sinz)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

sbiddle@aviate.welly.gen.nz (Steve Biddle) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.080500.9293@cenaath.cena.dgac.fr>,
>	barre@cenaath.cena.dgac.fr (Roland BARRE) writes:
>>
>>Does someone know the type of hard drive than I can put in an A600 (pc ide ?)
>>
>>and the price of this hard drive ( 20 mega or 50 mega)?
>
>Well this may come as a surprise to many, but the A600 has just been released
>over here in New Zealand and Australia, and is actually shipping with a 30meg
>SCSI drive, rather than the IDE drive that was previously mentioned.
>So basically any 2.5" SCSI drive should cause no problems.

Someone is trying to make one of your legs longer than the other.  ;^)

The A600 hardware *DOES NOT* come with SCSI and I know of no hardware available
for it that makes it work with SCSI.  The internal hardware is IDE.  The
internal drives are IDE.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: hjanssen@cbnewse.cb.att.com (hank janssen)
Subject: Can i use My AMIGA harddisk in a PC.
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:28:58 GMT


Just a simple one. Can i use my 210 Quamtum disk from the amiga  in  a
PC.?? are they the same. IDE/SCSI/ESDI.???
Any help would be apreciated.  Thanx.


Hank Janssen.
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From: Dan_E_Babcock@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A1000 ECS ?
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 19:02:25 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <al158305.711682867@academ01> <1992Jul21.181107.28894@ninja.zso.dec.com>
  <tony.711761718@ais.org>

>"fix" for block 880 errors on floppy drives while using 2.04?  It's kinda

Yeah, use my Hackdisk software. (Fish 697). :-)

Dan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: FOR SALE
From: brian.wolters@grapevne.lrk.ar.us (Brian Wolters) 
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:24:00 GMT
Reply-To: brian.wolters@grapevne.lrk.ar.us (Brian Wolters) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The GrapeVine BBS *** N. Little Rock, AR *** (501) 753-8121

For Sale:

Amiga 2286 Bridgeboard, VGA card and .41 monitor....used les than 4
months...

Make an offer...

Thanks!
From: s_kessin@irau30.ira.uka.de (Ingo Kessinger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: A2024
Date: 27 Jul 1992 09:07:22 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
Distribution: uka
NNTP-Posting-Host: irau30.ira.uka.de

I got a good offer for a A2024
Does anybody know anything about this monitor,
Can it really display 1024 x 1024 on a normal
Amiga ? I thought the harware limit was about
752 x 592.

Thanx
From: CBLACK@hacks.arizona.edu (harlie B	)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: What is the Amiga 4000?
Date: 27 Jul 92 06:07:59 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: The Camelot System (Excalibur)
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.05


  Ok what is the Amiga 4000 supposed to have?  And what is it's
release date?
 
  Now I am not debating the 4000 coming into existence, but
I have heard that this is just a farce.  Any info on the 4000
would be great.  But I would like to know if they, Commodore,
put the following into it:
 
          A better hard drive interface, Better color, better
       resolution, and what processor.  Also if they got rid of
       the 8 bit (I am not shure if the angus, Denise, and/or
       paula are what I am thinking of) chip set.  <-- this
       might be that AA chips set  (what ever that is).
 
  Any info would be appreciated on what I asked or any related
subjects.
 
                                    Charlie Black
                                    cblack@hacks.arizona.edu
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From: app@shamash.cdc.com ( GSD Advanced Packing/Processes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: Audio CD to digital data?
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:53:47 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Distribution: comp
Organization: Control Data, Arden Hills, MN

In article <1992Jul22.123104.13905@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> et5j@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Mario Giannella) writes:

>Are there any hardware/software packages to allow one to put an audio
>Compact Disc into a CD-ROM drive, and get a direct digital data file?
>(i.e. skipping the middle step of Digital CD to ANALOG and then digitizing
>the ANALOG sound).

I'd like to know too.  Please post replies
From: Neon@cup.portal.com (Anthony Joseph Bruder)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Hi-Q Tower
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 23:53:15 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na

In an article, concerning the HI-Q Towere, dated 7/21/92:

>This A500 expander has been advertised for a while - does anyone have one,
>or is there any word on potential release date?
>
>Kenward Chin

I'm pretty sure it's released since I just got a mailing from Invotronics(I
think that's the maker) with an order form including the HI-Q.  BTW, their
price was higher than that quoted in the vendor add in several recent
AmigaWorld issues.

I'm very curious too and have yet to here of anyone with experience with
this expansion root.

If it does all it says it does, this would be a very good deal.  However,
I believe there were some problems with "Bodega Bay" and other A500 expansion
boxes.  A Tech at my local dealer says that to make a real A500 --> A2000+
expansion box it needs to be able to handle signals from several cards
at once.  This is where the older boxes failed.  The A2000 has a "buster"
chip, lacking in the 500, needed to use several expansion slots at once.

I'm hoping that the HI-Q Tower has a hardware solution to this.

Anyone have more info?  Or have any comments, corrections? 

Tony Bruder -  neon@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: A600 HD ?
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:42:15 GMT

In <1992Jul30.222623.1454@tom.rz.uni-passau.de> burkert1@platon.fmi.uni-passau.de (Klaus Burkert) writes:
>The a500/a2000 tech manual describes building a Zorro(I) backplane and how
>to wire it towards the A500 (not sure about the latter).
>This backplane-stuff is implemented on the A2000/3000's motherboard and
>extended to ZorroII or III respectively.


Same here. Zorro-I is therefore not the 86pin expansion connector :-)

Regards,
-- 
Michael van Elst
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Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: kamran@pizzabox.dialogic.com (Kamran Vaziri)
Subject: Re: POWERGLOVE
Keywords: AmigaHires
Organization: Dialogic Corporation
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 14:34:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.153628.1233@ccad.uiowa.edu> rromano@ccad.uiowa.edu (Richard A Romano) writes:
>In article <rda732m.711786178@nella5.cc.monash.edu.au> rda732m@nella5.cc.monash.edu.au (J.P. Baker) writes:
>>I have just connected a Mattel Powerglove to my A500, and tried the
>>amigahires.lzh programs for those that know what I am on about.
>>
>>However, No values feed back to the glove, has anyone out there
>>+-----------------------------------------------------------------+
>
>What are the best present sources for the Mattel Powerglove.  I heard
>you can get one for about $30- from surplus stores.
>
>Can anyone give me a name and/or number.

I got mine at Toys R Us.  Both the Toys R Us stores I went to had tons of them
in large size for $29.95 (or was it 25.95?).  Anyway, it was pretty cheap.
Check your local Toys R Us.

Phone: eves (908) 580-1526
       days (201) 334-1268 ext 186
   ///
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\XX/kamran@dialogic.com

"You cross a lawyer with the Godfather baby,
 make you an offer that you can't understand..." - Don Henley :)
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 15:45:03 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <mcgradyj.711254026@marsh> <24590@sophia.inria.fr>
  <zxmgn01.712006888@mailserv>

I just had a funny thought.

The Amiga has been battered in the past few years by cheap clones,
Macs, ad nauseum, but this type of threat to their markets hasn't
prompted a new machine at the high end.

Wouldn't it be ironic if an Atari Falcon were to force CBM to
come out with a new high end machine?

That would be so wacky...it's probably what will happen.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: papo@pyuxf.uucp (25241-anaya)
Subject: Re: A1000 Newbie makes some questions 
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 23:12:26 GMT

Hi, it's me again... BTW, My name is Luis Anaya and you can email me
to papo@pyuxf.cc.bellcore.com. I'm sorry, the .sig did'nt come out.


Regards,


Luis Roberto Anaya-Rivera
papo@pyuxf.cc.bellcore.com
This message comes from an OVERWORKED, OVERLOOKED and OVERDRAWN
but still basically fun person.
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From: hjalmar@cbmswe.se.so.commodore.com (Peter Hjalmarsson Sweden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: Re: CDTV questions
Date: 26 Jul 92 11:02:51 GMT
Reply-To: hjalmar@cbmswe.se.so.commodore.com (Peter Hjalmarsson Sweden)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Distribution: comp
Organization: Commodore Sweden
Keywords: HD,flickerfixer,genlock,joystick

In article <1992Jul25.185147.21277@klaava.Helsinki.FI> amvirtan@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Anna M Virtanen) writes:
>Before I buy a CDTV (I am about to), I would like to make sure a few
>things:
> 
>Can I fit a hard drive,

Theoretically possible (in the free expansion port in the back), although
none is available. The AdIDE from ICD works, but only if you remove the
CD driver ROM, which kind of takes a way the meaning of buying the CDTV in
the first place.

>a genlock,

Theoretically possible (can replace the RF/composite video interface card
in the back), but as far as I know, none is available. You can use an
external genlock however, just like the A500.

>a flickerfixer

Theoretically possible to put in the video slot, just like a genlock, but
none is available. The ICD flicker-fixer would probably work, but you could
probably not put the lid on.

>and additional RAM

Theoretically possible to add fast RAM in the same slot as the HD, but nothing
is available. 1 MB of chip RAM can be added via the DKB 2 MB chip mem board.

>all INSIDE the CDTV? If not, what should I connect externally? Does
>the remote control work as a joystick as well?

Yes, it emulates both a joystick, mouse and (limited) numeric keypad.


If you need all that, it sounds like you maybe should buy a "normal" Amiga
instead?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: mjp3783@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Re: How do I replace my AMiga drive with an IBM 1?
Reply-To: mjp3783@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:27:38 GMT

In article <63036@cup.portal.com>, joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan) writes:
>>OK. The HD Floppy thread refuses to die...

Someone posted a while back that they were able to get HD drives from another
manufacturer or some such... Are you still around and if so, when can we expect
to see them>
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From: kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron)
Subject: Re: A1000 ECS ?
    <1992Jul21.181107.28894@ninja.zso.dec.com>
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:49:04 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

Hans Ridder <ridder@zso.dec.com> writes:

>>>Does anyone know if it is possible to obtain the new Denise chip with
>>>the new display modes for the A1000.  I have WB2.04 and would really
>>>like to have the extended graphics modes for the workbench.

>While they indeed are "plug" compatible, they are *not* "pin"
>compatible.  The ECS Denise requires some additional signals not
>provided by the A1000 Denise socket.

>Yes, you need an ECS Agnus too, which won't work in the A1000.  I don't
>know for sure, but a Rejuvinator would probably allow both the ECS Agnus
>and Paula.  Time to upgrade.

I have a rejuvenater, and Expert Services (606-371-9690) is selling
ECS Denisae for it.  The board came with an ECS Agnus and my one meg
of chip works just fine.

Now, thanks to my not paying attention to all this ECS stuff, I
need to know:

1)	Is the ECS Denise an improvement over the original if one
	sticks with a standard NTSC monitor (A1080)?

2)	What does the ECS Paula give you over the original?

3)	I understand that if I uprade the rejuvenater to two megs of
	chip I'd need a 2-meg agnus.  Are there separate 1- and 2-meg
	ECS Denises and Paulas?  Will the original chips address 
	two megs?
-- 
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University of Kentucky                                      +1 606 257 2975
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