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From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject: Re: Progressive

Ilia <CC29%IONA.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU> asks:

>Bob, what is 'The Other David Stewart'?

Well the Dave Stewart in Eurythmics with Annie Lennox is probably the
most famous of that ilk.  The Other Dave Stewart (tm) records with
Barbara Gaskin and turns out what *I* consider to be prog rock, but
what do I know?  Anyhow, it's definitely worth a listen (I think they
record on Ryko).  But, remember, I'm a synth player and just about
every one of Dave Stewart's songs is like a tour through his
synth museum.  Wonderful old stuff.

>Actually, sometimes I think
>I am missing something (you know - iron curtain and all that).

I live in Alabama, so I *know* I'm missing something.

>What
>are other worthwile bands in progressive rock, besides KC, Genesis,
>Yes, ELP, Gentle Giant, Tull, and Van der Graaf Generator?

You're really asking where the borders of my definition of "progressive
rock" are, and they're bound to be different from yours.  I think I
might also include Kansas (from a certain period) and maybe even
Boston (!).

All the best to you,
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Subject:      Where are the Almighty Vanitose?

        Anyone please help me. I am currently on a quest searching for the state
   of the art Death/Doom metal band...Vanitose. The band is the best of the genr
   e,
although song content is standard stuff ("And now, 'tis time, to destroy the
human race!")...My local music store doesn't stock 'em, and they aren't in any
of those huge magazines that list all recording artists. The release I'm looking
   for is they're 1989 one, "Emerging From The Netherworlds". Anyone with ANY cl
   uesat all, please contact me. I NEED this album...
        - Gabe Weinstock

"Gor Gor has emerged from the bowels of the planet! That is the sign for us to
commence destruction of all life on this wretched earth!"

"Aw come on guys, couldn't we just pass the deli tray around or something?"

- From GWAR home video "Phallus in Wonderland"
From: holtslander@skyfox.usask.ca
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Subject: RE: John Campbell Band
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:56:54 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan

Muchmusic recently aired their coverage of the Montreal blues festival.  they
had a fair bit of John Campbell, strictly solo. He played a National Steel
guitar (acoustic for those who don't know) and was totally awesome.  If
you like the blues you must check this guy out

Lets here it for blues on TV

Gord Holtslander
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Subject:      re: Lifeless Air Pudding

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
John, Sonia:  I missed this earlier.  My brother-in-law played in a late 60s ga
rage band named Spoiled Pudding!  Still have a marvelous poster to prove it. I'
ll have more about this at a later date.
                                        Renato
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>From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

>McIntyrely said:

>> our intended target is that bland,
>> lifeless air pudding that has co-opted the term "ambient music".

>What a GREAT name for a band (a very offensive band): Air Pudding!
From: MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET (Mike Masuda)
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Subject: discussions on all forms of music?
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:35:33 GMT
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before you delete this, read the questions at the bottom...

Okay, so I've been a little bizarre lately, making
schemes and suppositions that nobody (save a handful of
people) agrees with.

The discussions lately have had
no relevance to me or my tastes in music.

I'm a born-ponderer, and I guess it shows on the net.

Where are all the people who said they wanted some
cool conversations about neat new ideas in music?
I put in my two cents a couple of days ago, with some ideas
for multitrack recording, but I got no feedback.
C'mon, I want some ideas back!

What are your ideas on the trends in music?
You MUST have some opinion on that subject, unless
you just don't care about it.

This is a discussion list, isn't it?

Let's get into some of the more deeper things for a change.
I'm tired of reading "I hate so-and-so" and "I like so-and-so".
No wonder people are leaving this net.

Does anyone out there own a Roland R5 drum machine?
Does anyone out there work with Opcode Vision?
Does anyone out there actually play unusual instruments?
Does anyone out there make unusual instruments?
Does anyone out there have opinions on microphone choices for recording?
Anyone have neat miking techniques for drums?
What's the latest buzz on drum miking? Close? Tight? Ambient? Deep? Live?
Do you prefer live recordings of certain bands to studio recordings? Why?
What's the latest in sampling technology?
What kind of equipment is in YOUR studio?  Why?
What kind of speakers and amps do you use to listen to music?
What kind of cabinets do you use with your bass guitar?  Why?
Which multi-effects rack would you recommend for studio use and why?
If you had the run of a radio station, what would be your playlist?
What kind of music did you listen to as a young child?
If you had a dream studio, what equipment would you have in it if you
  were given only 50,000 dollars (or equivalent amount in your vicinity)
  to spend?  Why would you choose these things?
What is the "sound" YOU are looking for in music today?

Sorry for all the questions, I'm just bored and frustrated...
Maybe there should be a separate net for musicians.

Mike Masuda
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From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Sinead & the pope - haven't we all seen this before?

>From: MMORSE@YORKVM1.BITNET
>Subject: RE: Sinead & the pope - haven't we all seen this before?

Michael (well -- one of the Michaels! :) ) says:

>inherent in these musics, or at least readily discernible. Is this really
>the case with r 'n r-based musics? I'm not saying that r 'n r itself is
>intrinsically commercial, only that commercialism seems to represent a
>much more tenatious problem in this field, and has done ever since Elvis..

        I quote from memory:

        "In 1968 it seemed like everyone in London was looking for a contract.
And I was, too... but I couldn't imagine how things really were. There was a
musician -- I won't tell you his name but I swear this is true -- who was li-
terally held by his feet, hanging head down eight floors above Soho Square
to convince him to sign a contract... which would have brought tons and tons
of money to the label, and not even a dime to him. The next month he was on
the first page of the music press, and everyone seemed to think he had been
so lucky, so lucky... In this sense, you can't imagine how lucky I felt when
I discovered that I wouldn't get a record contract with that label which I
was running after."

        Peter Hammill, July 1992


        Ciao, Marco
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Subject:      Tatling Harlot

Just couldn't resist sending this along; I suppose the reasons are obvious, or
are they?  Renato
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Does anybody know anything about the "Tatling Harlot,"
a short-lived periodical of 1709 set up as "a Dialogue/
Between/Bess o'Bedlam and her Brother Tom./ By Mother
Bawdycoat"?  Thanks.  Julie Ellison, Univ. of Michigan
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From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: New Stevie Ray

On Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:32:29 CDT Leonard Watkins said:
>>>it's awesome. Srv was incredible, but now that i'm a heavy metal fan i'm not
>>>sure i'll like him as much :-)......L.'metal-head'W.

On Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:02:04 CDT I said:
>>half really grungy bikers and half college kids and half other people who
>>probably didn't like heavy metal much but the show was ok though not his best

On Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:24:04 CDT Leonard Watkins said:
>I was being sarcastic about the heavy-metal fan, because of the uproar i caused
Lenny, my whole post was tongue in cheek, so don't worry you're getting a rep
as a metal-head. ;) I had a good laugh with your blues/Queensyche imbroglio
with Gary etc. (admittedly, mostly from comments at your expense... :)

Paul 'not confused, really!' Heroy
From: smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead)
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Subject: Re: Motorhead on the Tonight show
Date: 14 Oct 92 06:56:00 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

WEINDAN@HWS.BITNET writes:

>I didn't see the tonight show, but have some comments to place on the metal
>genre. This kind of goes along with the Sellout messages being posted. Motorhead
>   must be given credit for being one of the first few real metal bands. However
>   ,
>having heard their latest album, my advice to the band is to quit while ahead.
>Honestly, I really think the new album is very lame. 

They need Philthy back (again).
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:43:50 -0400
From:         jkh2001@ANDY.BGSU.EDU
Subject:      Re: Music to Boat by

>I am now the proud owner of a 24' Rainbow class sloop.  And when I sloop--er,
>sail--I like to belt out a few lusty sea chanteys from time to time, as
>usually no one is within range to object.  Trouble is, I can't think of very
>much besides "The Sloop John B." and "Southern Cross", which is my oeuvre of
>choice at the moment.  So--in the grand tradition of =ALLMUSIC= lists, send
>me your favorite sailing songs!  (Winners will be spared my rendition of same,
>I hasten to assure you)  Lyrics aren't necessary right now; if I don't
>recognize your song, either I won't sing it or I'll track it down if
>need be :-)
>
>Don't delay, hasten those votes in today, folks!
>
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Ken,
      You may want to try "aye(high?) Callypso" by John Denver or possibly
some the Great Lakes music popularized by Pat Dailey.

                                Jeremy K. Heilman
"Castles made of sand melt into the sea eventually" - Hendrix
From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
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Subject: Re: It's time for a reality check.
Date: 9 Oct 1992 13:51:52 GMT
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In a previous article, CMBIRCH@INDSVAX1.BITNET () says:

>    Have any of you people ever writen some original music, or do you just
>take every opportunity to critique everyone elses?
>    Back in the good ol' days of the Allmusic list, people presented
>lots of creative ideas on music and gave advise on how others could
>go about it.
>    Nowadays it's all:  Bitch bitch bitch or he said that I said that
>he said that I said...etc.
>    This list needs some creativity.  Get a few guitars, assorted amps
>and drums and a garage and have a blast!  My band just sets up a
>Wal-Mart el cheapie radio and records our improvs.
>    Instead of talk it. Do it.

  If you had stayed with Allmusic, you'd know now that a few weeks is not
a representative sampling on which to judge the bredth of discussion, Jade.
There are many Allmusicians here, as you will no doubt hear soon enough.
Marco Olivotto (the CD man, yes! -- best of luck, Marco!), John McIntyre,
Michael Bloom, The Zzaj Rotcod... these are but a few of those hawking
their wares via the Net. So chill... and tell us more of your homey improv
sessions, eh?

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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From: ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET (Leonard Watkins)
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Date: 14 Oct 92 18:59:18 GMT
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On Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:44:30 CDT Paul Heroy said:
>Hey alla you blooz fans out there, I heard a really *killer* band Saturday
>night in Nawlins (at a great club - Charlie B.'s, which I highly recommend)
>called the John Campbell Band. JC (who's from Shreveport La.) plays acoustic
>guitar, plus some steel & slide guitar, but he gets some wild sounds from it,
>so much that we kept checking the rhythm player (who was playing a Strat) to
>see if the electric sounds we heard were coming from him instead. Nope, it
>was JC. He's also got a fantastic voice - deep, powerful, commanding, and has
>'it'. This guy's great, and I've *never* heard of him before (not that I'm a
>fount of blues knowledge or anything, but I've at least heard lots of names).
>He had Richard Cousins on bass (Cousins used to play with Robert Cray). Has
>anybody else heard of Campbell? If not, CHECK HIM OUT! This is one tight,
>*smokin'* blues band!

I've heard Cambell he has a nice album out i forget the name the writing is
very,very strong he played at a fest here in B'ham this year. His album
is very good i'd recommend it, the producers are the same as Robert Cray
and most of the songs are co-written by Dennis Walker who also writes for
Cray. What i find interesting is the writng for Cray is all bout 'love', but
on Campbell's album it's all pretty sinister..pick up the album you'll like
it...............L.W.
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Subject:      Re: Cocteau Twins

>     I just realized that in the time I've been on the list.  I don't think
>I've ever heard mention of the Cocteau Twins.  Is this coincidence or is
>the general consensus one of extreme dislike?  Just wondering.....

Well, I don't know what the general consensus is, but I love 'em.
Howver, there is a 4-AD list where they get talked about quite frequently.
I'm not on that list anymore, but it used to be pretty informative.
Anyway, if you feel like talking about the Twins or any similar groups,
I'm always interested.

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From:         "(Russ Gelinas)" <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Cleaning up the archives

Wish I had disk space for archives.....

>A popular tee shirt around MIT reads, "186,000
>miles per second: It's not just a good idea, it's the law!"

Also "Gravity: not just a good idea, it's the law!"

OMC:  Wanted to do "Feeling Gravities Pull" by REM, but I can't sing it
and play it at the same time.

OMC2:  Got some bad advice from a salesdroid at Daddy's (local music
store chain).  I've got a speaker, rated at 150 watts max, that I wanted
to use as a 2nd stage monitor, paired with a regular PA column laying on its
side.  200 monitor watts from the amp, so that's 100 watts per speaker,
no problem goes the droid.  Got to thinking about it, and I realized that
the PA column is probably 16 ohms, whereas the single speaker is only 8 ohms.
So the 8 ohm speaker would get twice the wattage of the PA column.  One
good "POP goes the weasel" and POP goes the speaker.  Guess it'll have be
a guitar speaker after all.

OMC3:  Anyone see Santana on Arsenio last night.  Carlos sure has a
signature sound.  Who was the white suited guy trying to sing with him?

Russ
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: classical training,improv,heart
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:57:37 GMT

A lot of new points came up in this debate, including that of
creativity, that improvisation is not more creative.

As is always the case, it depends on definitions, and many times when
you get to the crux, things which seem so different are not.

For example, improvisation IS more creative, in the sense that it
creates something that has never been created before. 
However, when you play a written out classical piece, when it is the
strongest, you have the feeling that it is just being created, that it
is a unique moment.  Just because it is improvised, doesn't mean it has
the feeling of uniqueness.

A lot of the differences between improvisation and interpretting are a
matter of musical performance skills, which again, does not necessarily 
translate to better music.

There are some other things which I want to stress, namely that the
improviser has to be ready for musical situations that are NOT planned,
to a much wider degree than music that is completely written out.
As this dynamic is played out, it creates the situation in which many
things can happen which are not possible if the music is all written
out.

As for recommending jazz pianists:
Art Tatum, Earl Fatha Hines, Bud Powell, Hank Jones, Herbie Nichols,
Bill Evans, Herbie Hancock, McCoy Tyner, Cecil Tayler, Keith Jarrett,
and Geri Allen would be at the top of my list.

OMC:  My ABCDs of jazz is making the FAQ of rec.music bluenote!!!

Jeff
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From:         Paul Hosken <RMCB@DLRVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Potted Strawbs

Reading the recent mail concerning the Strawbs I get the impression
that not much is known about them. Well, here's a very brief summary:

- The original Strawbs were a folk band and included Sandy Denny.
  One album of early material has been released, but isn't too hot.
- The Sandy left to help form Fairport. The rest of the band continued
  in the folky vain and release two notable albums: 'Dragonfly' and
  'Just a Collection of Antiques and Curios'. The later being part live.
- It was at this time that Rick Wakeman joined them and the excellent
  'From the Witchwood' was released.
- Wakeman then left to join Yes and was replaced by Blue Weaver. The
  group released 'Grave New World', which many consider to be their
  best album. By now the Strawbs are a fully fledged rock band and
  consisted of: Dave Cousins, Tony Hooper, John Ford, Richard Hudson
  and Blue Weaver.
- They then had a Top Ten (in UK) single with 'Part of the Union'.
- Now the group had reached their peak and started to go down hill.
  'Hero and Heroine' was released, and was carried by their recent
  chart success.

From here onwards I'm not sure what happened to the band and what albums
they released because they seemed to just dwindle away into obscurity,
and what I did get to hear was no longer my cup-of-tea.
So, that's about all I can add of the top of my head.

Paul
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              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Progressive

Ilia writes:

>Bob, what is 'The Other David Stewart'? Actually, sometimes I think
>I am missing something (you know - iron curtain and all that). What
>are other worthwile bands in progressive rock, besides KC, Genesis,
>Yes, ELP, Gentle Giant, Tull, and Van der Graaf Generator?
>       Ilia.

        Hi from Italy, Ilia!
        Well - it depends on what consider "progressive". The names you list
are the basic blocks of it - so to say, with the possible exception of Van
der Graaf Generator who have always been a bit on the edge (a strange band,
if you think -- virtually no guitar [or very little], often no bass, and
everything moving around the organ-sax-drum ensemble with Hammill's visions
at their peak).
        There is another side of progressive, which most purists like to call
the ONLY possible progressive (but I don't agree): that passes through bands
like Gong, Soft Machine, Camel -- and in general the whole Canterbury school.
Some of these people are still alive, musically speaking of course, these
days: on top, I'd put Robert Wyatt and his wonderful last album "Dondestan".
        There would be much more to say, but I'm always short of time... if
you're really interested in progressive, you should e-mail Yannick Lallement
at lallemen@loria.fr, or Ranjit Padmanabhan (hope the spelling is correct!)
at ranjit@synopsys.com and ask for their record catalogues. They're great!
        And [heh, plugging me in!] while you're at it check for a new and
very promising band from Italy called TNR... they may be famous one day (hee,
hee, haaaw... :) ).

        Hope this help -
        Gotta run now

        Ciao, Marco