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From: isanders@netcom.com (Ivar Sanders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Comments on PSI PowerModem IV?
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:07:53 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

djp@aero.org (Dennis Persinger) writes:
: OK, now that Apple's Express Modem has finally pushed V32.bis powerbook modems 
: into a reasonable price range, I'm getting serious about buying something for 
: my PB100.  I've seen the GV Powerport Gold (we got one here at work), but I'm 
: interested in the PSI PowerModem IV, since it has 14.4 Fax capability, and 
: since it appears it will be a little cheaper (I haven't read what Global 
: Village plans to do about their "price adjustment" yet).  However, I have some 
: questions of anyone who happens to own one:
: 
: 1) How well does the modem work?

It works pretty well.  Particularly in data mode.

: 2) People in general rave about GlobalFax.  What software comes with the PSI 
: and how well does it work?

Currently, the software is STF fax software.  We are working on our own
enhancements, which should be available sometime early '93.  There is 
currently a bug with 14400 fax receive in the software, which is being 
worked on.  14400 send is ok.

: 3) I've heard of some plans for future capabilities in the Powerport Gold such 
: as voice, that will (theoretically) be added with only software changes.  While 
: I'm not certain that this particular application won't simply be gold-plating 
: for me (I *know* I'll use 14.4 fax in the future), I wonder if PSI has any 
: future capabilities plans.  Anyone heard anything?

There might be the possibility of voice in the future.  The hardware supports
it.  No promises just yet, though.

Take care,

Ivar Sanders
Chief Engineer
PSI Integration, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: kevin@alsvid.une.edu.au (Kevin Pollard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: 'Capturing' a Telnet session.
Date: 4 Nov 92 22:02:10 GMT
Organization: University of New England - Northern Rivers (Lismore)

I'm using NCSA Telnet on my Mac.

My question is: how do I 'capture' whatever appears on the screen into
a disk file. (In my PC Kermit program, I know there's a 'log session'
command.)
-- 
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Programmer/Analyst		Phone:		+61 (066) 203969
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From: time@ice.com (Tim Endres)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: ARA no longer bundled with Powerbooks!
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 92 22:36:04 EST
Organization: ICE Engineering, Inc.
Reply-To: time@ice.com (Tim Endres)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <cshotton-041192145820@oac2.hsc.uth.tmc.edu> (cshotton@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu), you write:
> > Further, making ARA a cost/revenue center, we may see Apple actually
> > *dedicate* resources to expanding this type of software. Things that
> > are free are either of "free-quality" or a actually paid for by some
> > hidden cost. I like paying for software, because then the successful
> > and useful stuff gets developed, improved and supported.
> 
> This argument of making ARA a "profit center" is somewhat specious. The
> product development has been paid for. The first 100,000 PowerBook sales
> saw to that. There are no costs to recover (unless Apple really intends to
> update ARA. The CTB debacle doesn't give me much hope of that.) Anything
> that Apple makes off ARA at this point is 100% profit.

And what will pay to have the ARA protocols work over PPP, and other
coming technology that would will wish to utilize? IT may be somewhat
idealistic to think things will work one-to-one like this, but I believe
in funding things that are needed.

As for the price, I thought it was something like $75. I guess I was
wrong about it being affordable.


tim endres - time@ice.com  -or- tbomb!time
ICE Engineering, Inc - 8840 Main St, Whitmore Lake, MI 48189
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From: parej@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Pare Jerome)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: How to net from my IIci at home?
Date: 13 Nov 92 20:40:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Hi everyone!

BTW, I'm kind of new to this news & net stuff, so if it is a FAQ that I'm
asking, I'm sorry for the trouble and could you tell me where I can get
my answers?

Here is my questions anyway:

How can I do all these wonderful things that I do from the unix station
at university (news, net, ftp, etc...) when I'll be gone from here?

Which means can it be all done from home (from my IIci) without having to
buy A/UX and whatever else that's too costly?

If you can answer to these, thank you very much in advance.

Have a great day, all of you!


-- 
Ciao!
Jerome Pare	parej@jsp.umontreal.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: williabv@cs.aston.ac.uk (Bryn Williams)
Subject: Help! Networking an Amiga as a Mac fileserver
Reply-To: williabv@cs.aston.ac.uk
Organization: Aston University (Comp Sci)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 11:56:53 GMT

I have recently come by a basic Mac, and I'd like to network it to my Amiga,
so that the Mac could mount the Amiga's hard drive as a file server via 
Appleshare.  Is this possible, and has anyone done it?

Cheers,

Bryn

williabv@cs.aston.ac.uk
From: jason@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Jason Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Caller I.D. feature for the Supra
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:25:36 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

>What modem features caller ID?

The Supra can, and the ZyXEL does, dunno about any others. Of course,
you need a phone company that'll give you caller id, too :)

jason
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig)
Subject: Re: Caller I.D. feature for the Supra
Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:36:39 GMT

lud@wam.umd.edu () writes:
>Has anyone written or know of any special utilities which take advantage
>of the Caller I.D. feature of a modem.  For example, a database which looks
>up the number and tells the name of the person who is calling...
>Anyway, just wondering if anyone has written any utilities for caller id..

What modem features caller ID?

-- 
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 _/_/  bskendig@netcom.com                de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: sdorner@qualcomm.com (Steve Dorner)
Subject: Re: MacTCP license fees
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:14:27 GMT

In article <BxK7Js.775@willamette.edu>, dan@willamette.edu (Dan Revel)
wrote:
> What is the rate that will be charged to developers who want to
> distribute MacTCP with their products?

Apple won't answer me.  Another developer sent me his 1.1.1 upgrade
agreement; it includes language allowing Apple to withdraw the license with
six months' notice, if they develop other distribution channels.  This
makes me wonder if Apple is going to sell redistribution licenses at all.

I see this as a real slap in the face to the TCP/IP development community. 
Apple is practically handing the email market to CE and MicroSoft, since
their products don't depend on TCP; who's going to buy a TCP product, when
they ALSO have to pay $60 a unit to Apple for the privilege of using it. 
And it's not like Apple has been doing massively wonderful new things with
MacTCP.  The version number says it all--1.1.1; a minor enhancement, and a
bug fix.  The MacTCP DNR has always been s**t, and it remains s**t; so the
biggest problem hasn't been addressed at all.

I was at a conference for Apple Higher Education sales people, talking to
them about Eudora and what had made it so successful in the Higher Ed
world.  Had they instead asked me what they could do to PREVENT such
success from ever happening again, I'm not sure I could have come up with a
better scenario than this.

> Are developers going to strike out on their
> own and build their own TCP stacks (which probably won't co-exist with
> one another)?

One might envision a compatible parallel stack, that other apps could use. 
I'd guess that would be a year or so worth of work for someone who knew
their stuff, at least for the basic ethernet and localtalk LAPs.  One
wonders if NCSA might try to adapt the telnet code to this purpose. 
(Imagine, just a few months ago they were talking about dropping their
stack entirely.)

> And another thing: $59 for a single user copy - highway robbery!  I just
> don't see $59 worth of value there.

There wouldn't be $59 worth of value, if it weren't for all the wonderful
cheap MacTCP applications.  Given the new high prices, don't expect to see
many new apps springing up; there just won't be the market.
--
Steve Dorner, Qualcomm, Inc.
Why does Apple want to eliminate cheap MacTCP applications?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: gilbertd@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu (Don Gilbert)
Subject: Re: APPLE UNBUNDLES RETURN KEY
Organization: Biology, Indiana University - Bloomington
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:28:42 GMT

In article <sdorner-101192120156@0.0.0.0> sdorner@qualcomm.com (Steve Dorner) writes:
>Rumor has it Apple has decided to take the price of MacTCP through the
>roof.  I'm told that an internal use license for corporations has gone from
>$2500 *one-time* to $5000 *annually*.  Seemingly Apple would just as soon
>that no low-cost MacTCP software exist. Typical Apple policy--Free Bad,
>Expensive Good.
...
>--
>APPLE UNBUNDLES RETURN KEY
>
>Cupertino, CA
>
>Effective immediately, Apple Computer, Inc., has decided to unbundle the
>"return" key from Apple keyboards.  This allows us to lower the price of
>our keyboards by $.01.  Users wishing to buy a return key will be able to
>do so through their local Dealership.  The kits will cost $99.95 installed,
>and are expected to be available 1Q93.  "We think this will enable more
>users to get return keys," said Apple chairman Scully.  "Also, we want the
>money."

Good show, Steve.


As one of the many developers of software that uses MacTCP, I think
it would be a bad move on Apple's part to drive up the price of MacTCP.

There are now many people extolling the virtues of Macintoshes because
of the high quality of Internet software available on Macs (see, e.g,
recent letter to InfoWorld, reviews of various MacTCP-based programs
in MacWeek, MacWorld, MacUser), which generally surpasses that available
on other computing platforms.  Steve Dorner's Eudora is a prime example
of software that will sell computers.  Easy access to e-mail and other
Internet services is something that a Macintosh with MacTCP and a network
connection can provide better than any other computer brand.

If Apple drives up the price of MacTCP, instead of bringing it down,
they will be shutting doors on users and developers.  Many of these
people cannot afford higher prices for network access.  
-- 
Don Gilbert                                     gilbert@bio.indiana.edu
biocomputing office, biology dept., indiana univ., bloomington, in 47405
From: mccoy@cayman.com (Michael McCoy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Appletalk Phase I vs Phase II
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:35:40 GMT
Reply-To: mccoy@cayman.com (Michael McCoy)
Organization: cayman.com


 csmith@blackplague.gmu.edu (Blackplague) writes: 
>bobley@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Brett Bobley) wrote:
> 
>> Network folks,
>> We've got the following network set up:  several groups
>> of macs connected together with standard LocalTalk
>> cabling.  Each of these groups is, in turn, connected 
>> to a Fastpath 4 Ethernet router.
>> The routers are connected to our Ethernet backbone
>> so they can talk to the other localtalk zones.  Pretty
>> standard set up, I suppose.. All machines running System 6,
>> and Phase I Appletalk.
>> 
>> Here is the deal: we recently purchased a Quadra 700 and
>> also a Mac IIcx, both running System 7.  As I understand
>> it, System 7 requires Appletalk phase II.  My question: 
>> can I run Phase II on all of my machines (system 6 and 7?)?
>> Or should I run Phase I on all machines (is this possible?)?
>> Or should I run Phase I on the Sys 6 and Phase II on the Sys 7
>> and then get some kind of "transitional" software to route them? 
>> (Can my Fastpath routers can do this sort of thing?)

>First, AppleTalk is AppleTalk, no phase1/phase2.  Phase1/2 comes
>in to play with EtherTalk and with routers such as the Shiva Fastpath.

Almost right. There are some trivial LocalTalk implications to switching 
to Phase 2, but they should be handled by the router and are not visible to 
the end nodes. 

>Phase1 machines can not talk to Phase2 machines.  I do not
>believe there is any way around this.  If I'm wrong, I am sure
>I will be told.

You can set up a transition network. Phase 1 only allows one network 
number (and 254 nodes) on your ET network. Phase 2 lets you set up a 
network range (with up to 254 nodes on each net.) You can set up a 
transitional Phase 1-Phase 2 network by using a network range of 1 on 
your ET (for example, range=3 to 3). Your router should be able to 
translate between Phase 1 messages, such as NBPLookup, and Phase 2 
messages, such as NBPFwdReq. It's not a great long-term solution, since 
you give up most of the benefits of ET P2, but it lets everybody work 
together.

>System7 does NOT require Phase2.
True. However, System 7.1 is only shipping with Phase 2. You can still run 
Phase 1 by installing the drivers from old software disks (I think).

>So, I would recomend simple installing Phase1 on the Quadra and
>the IIci and letting it go at that.

Mmmm.... I'd go the other way and configure the routers to support Phase 
2. Cost is minimal, it's clearly the future, you are probably going to 
expand your network, and Phase 2 has some significant benefits (reduced 
network traffic, expandability, etc.) 

================================================
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Instruct yourself or inform curiousity
Or carry report. You are here to kneel
Where prayer has been valid.
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From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: ARA no longer bundled with Powerbooks!
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:40:02 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.system

In article <7780@lib.tmc.edu>, cshotton@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Chuck Shotton)
wrote:
> 
> In article <mike_steiner-061192152246@192.35.50.131>,
> mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) wrote:
> > 
> > In article <cshotton-041192145820@oac2.hsc.uth.tmc.edu>,
> > cshotton@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Chuck Shotton) wrote:
>  
> [Tim's stuff deleted]
>  > 
>  > This argument of making ARA a "profit center" is somewhat specious. The
>  > product development has been paid for. The first 100,000 PowerBook sales
>  > saw to that. There are no costs to recover (unless Apple really intends
> to
>  > update ARA. The CTB debacle doesn't give me much hope of that.) Anything
>  > that Apple makes off ARA at this point is 100% profit.
>  
> > Giving it away with the computers paid for its development?  How do you
> > figure that?  The only way that it could possibly be true is if people who
> > bought those PowerBooks did so because of ARA, and would not have purchased
> > the computers without ARA.
> 
> 
> Don't be naive. The cost of ARA was a part of the original PowerBook price.
> That was what I meant by "paid for". The point is, they have peeled off
> approximately $170 worth of software from the PowerBooks, but did the price
> go down? See? ARA sales are now almost pure profit.

Your last sentence does not follow from what preceded it.  Let's look at
your second through fourth sentences, and see if there are any analogies
available.  Right now, if you buy 7.1, you get At Ease! free with it. 
Apple said that this is a limited-time offer.  When Apple stops bundling At
Ease! with 7.1, do you think that they should lower the price of 7.1 by the
cost of At Ease!?  Do you think that all sales of At Ease! will then become
almost pure profit?

There are many instances of businesses giving "free gifts" with purchases,
and not changing their prices when the promotions are over.  This is not
any different, IMO.

The point is that for a year or so, Apple gave ARA away for free as an
enticement to buy PowerBooks.  They no longer do that.  If enough people
think that the PowerBooks are not worth the money without ARA, they will
stop buying PowerBooks, and Apple (one hopes) will realize the reason, and
rebundle ARA with PowerBooks.  However, if sales do not diminish, then it
will be apparent that the inclusion of ARA is no longer a factor (if it
ever was) in selecting PowerBooks.

I would not be surprised if Apple had conducted surveys of people who
mailed in their "registration cards" and found that the overwhelming
majority never used ARA.  I don't know whether Apple did so or not, but I
wouldn't be surprised if they did.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: hargrove@bee.corp.sgi.com (Mark Hargrove)
Subject: MS Mail 2.x and System 7
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:49:03 GMT

It is possible to run an MS Mail 2.0 client under system 7?

-M

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From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: cheap 14,400 modems
Date: 13 Nov 1992 06:55:32 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu

summarizing asjk@ultramac.uucp (John Knefel) quoting the Nov 12 WSJ:

> Prodigy is expected to start selling a 14,400 bps, modem that Digicom has
> developed for $199 (about 1,800 characters, or 300 words, a second)


	proprietary or standard v32/42.bis protocols?

	if proprietary, forget it!
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              "Free Advice and Opinions -- Refunds Available"
From: jbrowne@zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Jim Browne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Good book on TCP/IP / Internet wanted
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:41:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: zaphod.jbrowne.721579298
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

chip@inter.interzone.ch (Marc Liyanage) writes:


>Now I'm looking for a good book that covers just about anything about
>the Internet and the protocols, numbering schemes etc.

Well, there's the RFCs.  But, to really learn TCP/IP, get "Internetworking 
with TCP/IP" Vols I and II.  By Douglas Comer and David Stevens.

ISBN 0-13-468505-9 and 0-13-472242-6

Expensive, but excellent (IMHO)


-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: haase@meediv.lanl.gov (Peter Haase - LANL)
Subject: Re: Another problem with Appletalk off (was Re: ARA no longer bundled with Powerbooks)
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:26:34 GMT

In article <RFC=84B@engin.umich.edu>, Klaus P. Fechner
<klaus@sparky.rad.med.umich.edu> wrote:
> 
> What a screwy and misleading error message. This should never happen after
> a successful install. How about "You must turn on Appletalk to use the
> network software"? I believe this is again the unwanted side effect of
> Tuneup 1.1.1 allowing Appletalk to be not loaded at boot time (which I
> like), and it sounds like lack of adequate testing on Apple's part. Why do
> they expect me to anticipate having to turn on Appletalk in order to use
> my modem for a network connection?

You get the same screwy error message with Remote Access and appletlak 
turned off running System 7.1..........
I forwarded my concerns and gripes to the Apple Tech Answerline and
our Apple SE and I got zip for a response. I said the same thing 
why not a more normal meaning message like "Turn on Appletalk"
To simple I guess and what the hey Apple has the users on the Internet
to pass bug reports and workarounds along.....Hello Apple are you
listening??????????? hmmmmmmmmmm......
*******************************************************************
Peter Haase                                   haase@meediv.lanl.gov
Los Alamos National Laboratory
Mechanical Electronic Engineering Division
From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: MacTCP license fees & Eudora
Date: 11 Nov 1992 17:02:09 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Steve Dorner (sdorner@qualcomm.com) wrote:
: 
: Suppose we offer a "Deluxe" licensed version of Eudora, that will include
: MacTCP.  How many people would be interested in buying it?  The price would
: be set so that Qualcomm doesn't lose money on the distribution. 

You could do the nets a favor by making a bundle that included Eudora,
MacTCP, and a SLIP or PPP driver, and then selling the lot.  (Some bits
free, some bits licensed from Apple, some commercial s/w from Hyde Park
or whoever else you can get who has a supported driver.)  This would 
come in at under $100 for sure, and it would have everything you need
to go live on the Internet.

Bundle up everything you need in one box and make it easy to order, and
commercial internet service providers like us that have a consumer service
(send mail to info@msen.com, it's $20/mo + $2/hr for SLIP) will happily
resell it to whoever comes along.  And I suppose you could make a real
bundle by tossing in a book like _Zen_ so that not only do people have
all the code they need but also some clue about the Internet as well.

I think there's the makings of a really good package here that would 
push some costs down and generate a few dollars along the way.

  Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
        Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 998 GLOB
 send mail to info@msen.com for detail on Msen's dialup internet services
From: Derek_Juntunen@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Derek Juntunen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: MacTCP - Walkthru
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:52:26 GMT
Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch

Can someone help me w/setting up MacTCP & Fetch?
I have MacTCP in my System Folder and it appears in my Control Panel but
I'm not sure if it's installed correctly.  I open Fetch & it still says to
install MacTCP!  Please help!  What software/hardware do I need and how do
I set it up?

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