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From: SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jon Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Longest DIV-I Streaks!
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:05:55 GMT

In article <m4b-Pw-@engin.umich.edu>
martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:
>Wins    Team            Years           Ended By        Score
>-----   -----------   -------           -------------   ------
>31      Oklahoma        48-50           Kentucky        13-7
>31      Penn          1896-98           Harvard         10-0
 
Hey, don't forget
 31      Pittsburgh      14-18           Cleveland Naval Reserve 10-9
 
>Source 1991 Almanac
>                                        Marty Pochmara
 
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:39:43 EDT
From: <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Alabama: David Palmer
 <1992Aug10.141515.22474@makesys.com> <1992Aug11.152435.1@ducvax.auburn.edu>

Rather than attempt to compile the various quotes accusing Stallings
of changing his priorities . . .

There is a major difference between the Palmer incident and the
Namath incident.  Specifically, Namath was seen drinking A beer
during the season, when a team rule prohibiting players from
drinking alcohol was in effect.  Palmer's infraction, though
certainly more serious, occured during the off season.  So, don't
try to draw too many parallels between the two.

A friend of mine and I figure Stallings will suspend Palmer from 2-3
games.  We'll see.

Jim Thomas
Penn State
From: ckoontz@RDXSUN40.AUD.ALCATEL.COM (Carl H. Koontz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: 1992 SMU helmets
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:13:30 GMT

Big news out of Dallas which is of general interest to college football
fans throughout the country.  This information is from the Saturday,
August 15 edition of the Dallas Morning News in the "SMU at a glance"
section of the 1992 SMU Mustangs football preview.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Horse of a different color - SMU will change the Mustang logo on their
helmets from blue to red.  SMU wore red Mustangs prior to receiving the
death penalty in 1987 and changed when it resumed football in 1989 to
signify a new philosophy.  "I think the red color is more of a dominant
color, and I think we have the best-looking uniform in the country," SMU
athletic director Forrest Gregg said.  "There is no significance in us
going back to the old style.  I can assure you that the only thing that
has come back to norm is the logo on the helmet."
------------------------------------------------------------------------

A welcome change in the eyes of this alumnus.

Carl
From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: PAC-10 Tie-breaker
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:05:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug11.182952.9566@mdd.comm.mot.com> behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian) writes:
>Since all the teams in the PAC-10 don't get to play each-other, PAC-10 has set
>up a system to send a team to the RB.  Here it is:
>
>If two teams end the season with similar records and have not played each 
>other, they are both PAC-10 co-champs, but the team that didn't get to go to
>the RB last time, will go.  For example, if UW and UCLA finish the season
>with similar records, UCLA will go to the RB, since UW went last year.
>
>If two teams play each other and finish the season with the similar records,
>the team that beat the other will go to the RB.  Example:  If Cal and UW
>finish 10-1 and Cal was the winner of the UW-Cal game, then the RB is awarded
>to Cal [But, you really think that this is gonna happen? :)].  Cal could have
>lost to another PAC-10 team, but they beat UW and the other factor being that
>UW went to the RB last year.

  This almost did happen last season- if Cal would have knocked off Washington
they would have gone to the Rose Bowl.  It was Washington's closest game
they played last year- down to the last play with Cal driving towards the
Washington end zone inside the 40 when time ran out.  They lost by a touchdown.

  It should be another close game this year- but playing in Washington this
year will make it tough for Cal.  Some factors-

  1) Washington lost their best Defense guy to the NFL draft

  2) Russel White should be healthy this year

  3) Cal's new coach is the Washington offensive line coach from last season

  4) Pawlawski has graduated from Cal; will the QB position make the 
     difference?

  5) It's a home game for Washington- can Cal go into Seattle and come out 
     a winner?


  Cal will be coming off a relatively easy schedule for their first four
games- just like the beginning of last season- so they should have the 
momentum going for them.  Washington has to face Nebraska and USC before they 
play Cal, so injuries could be a factor by the time the two face off.  
(by then U-DUB should have handed traitor Bruce Snyder a convincing loss as 
well at ASU :-) ).  UCLA gets off easy again this year by not having to play
Washington.  Don't know if Stanford can repeat or not, but I'm sure people
are saying the same thing about Cal.  All I know is we still have White,
and Stanford doesn't have Tommy "touchdown" Vardell :-)

  Less than one month until the first game!!!!  Geez I can't wait...



   Doug
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Re: The Ultimate Truth
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:38:36 GMT
Keywords: Mr Potato Head


In article <1992Aug18.032730.16538@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@vivaldi.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
> 
> Question:  Why did all those Miami fans cry so much when ND wouldn't continue
>            the series with them.
> 
> 
> Answer:    ND gives justification to Miami's pitiful existence.  For example,
>            where would the Penguin be without Batman ... where would Goldfinger
>            be without Bond ... and where would mashed potatos be without gravy.
> 

The Notre Dame Penguins.  I like it.  Oh, and  by the way, stick an
'e' in potatoes.   (They just don't teach politics anymore.)


> 
> 
>         - The Parakeet 


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: daytrpr@max.u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Who do you think will win
Organization: 
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:54:45 GMT



In article <2457.382.uupcb@brent.uucp>, al.sorhaindo.jr.@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo Jr.)  writes:
> BP>1) Washington
> 
> Isn't Washington without the services of 4/7 of last years defensive
> front seven, including Emtmann, and a top draft pick at safety?

2 of the front 3 are gone (Emtman and Tyrone Rogers)...both of whom have
been starting during preseason for their respective pro teams (Colts &
Seachickens), so obviously this is a big loss for the Huskies.  Three
Linebackers are also gone, but their replacements are excellent.  The
secondary, even w/o 1st round pick Dana Hall, will be as good as anyone's,
especially if Tommie Smith gets his act together.  So what it boils down
to is the front three.  If the Huskies can shore up the middle, this defense
could be as good as last years.  If not, it'll be run up the middle all
day long.  BUT, you won't find a better group of LB's, and secondary
guys anywhere.

> 
> Sure, their offense will be strong, but IMHO the defensive front is the
> most important part of a team. 
  
Yup.
  
> How does the Huskies schedule shape up? Do they manage to avoid their
> nemesis UCLA again? 
  
People say the schedule is easiler than last years, but IMHO it lacks any
of the pushover games (i.e.-Toledo, etc), except for Pacific, who you just
outscore 120-49 or so.  Also, the order is tougher, I think.  They start
         Arizona St., and also play Nebraska, USC, and Cal early in the
schedule.  Fortunately, Stanford is at home.  Also, contrary to popular
opinion, the Washington State game could be real tough this year.  And
no, they don't play UCLA this year.
                                                                         
> The running up of the score that Washington perpetrated last year will
> come back to haunt them especially once their opponents see that
> Washington is good, but not unbeatable and revenge is obtainable.

Umm...actually, they tried to keep the scores down.  Guys like Emtman
didn't get to play in the second half in a lot of the games.  I also
remember several games where the second string offense was in the game
by the second quarter.

> of 10-1, cosmetically almost as good as last season. Washington's
> athletic department feels the same way, that is why they avoided
> Miami in the Kickoff classic.

You mean Miami avoided Washington in the Kickoff Classic.

> 
> 
>                                               Al  
> ---
>  . DeLuxe. 1.21 #11688 . Al.Sorhaindo@Execnet.com
>                                                                            


-Daytrpr
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Schedule determines #1
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:49:22 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts) wrote:
}
}#  If the bowl didn't invite
}#a better team, it sounds like chicken all over again, if they invited better
}#teams, but got turned down because of the weakness of BYU, then I guess the
}#other 'stonger' teams got what they deserved.
}
}I think this is what happened, though for reasons of money rather than of
}strength of opponent.  I know the Holiday invited Washington, but
}refused to increase the payout. 
}There were plenty of better teams than Michigan, but none of them wanted to
}play in the Holiday and/or they weren't invited. 

Legendary BYU woofer Mark Tyler claimed to have personally spoken to
the Holiday Bowl committee about this, and claimed that the problem
was not that no one besides 6-5 Michigan wanted to play in the
Holiday Bowl that year, but rather through either naivety or stupidity
the committee brushed off potential opponents such as 7-3-1 Tennessee
in the belief that they could get a really top-flight opponent with
their miserable payout.  By the time they realized they couldn't, 
virtually everyone was locked in and they panicked thinking they
wouldn't get *anyone* and grabbed Michigan in desperation.

Unfortunately we'll never know what would have happened had
BYU gotten a real opponent in the 1984 Holiday Bowl.  (BTW, it's
all the fault of those cheatin' Florida Gators.  If they hadn't
been on probation it would have (1) made them a stronger MNC
candidate, possibly drawing votesaway from BYU and (2) made for
one less bowl slot, probably leaving Michigan in the cold and
sending a better team to the Holiday Bowl. :-) )

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
        "... and we tell ourselves that what we found 
                   was what we meant to find."
From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Which would you choose??
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:13:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug18.171309.343
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>> 
>> Why Mr. Swanger, that would be Washington State, of course.  The Husky 
>      ^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>MR. SWANGER??  You know, my wife calls me that sometimes, usually when she's
>mad at me...
>-- 
>David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu 

Tee Hee Hee.  Pissed you off a little did I?  Feel in good company.  I made
his goobness mad at me by calling him Mr. Smith once too.

****************************************************************************
Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Truth is a statue, and you are all just 
University of Washington      *   a bunch of pigeons. 
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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From: daytrpr@max.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: SDSU vs. USC
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:02:13 GMT
Distribution: na,world

In article <1992Aug18.182732.3626@crash>, uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun) writes:
> Is anyone else intrigued by this matchup?  I think it should
> be an interesting game.  The Aztecs have some key players at
> several skill positions, but across the offensive and
> defensive lines, USC should be much stronger.  Still in all,
> I think with the right play calling, the Aztecs have a chance
> to win, especially in SD.  Should be a good game, and a real
> test for SDSU.
> 
> -Roger
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> bix: ruzun
> NET: uzun@crash.cts.com


I agree.  I think SDSU has a real good shot here.  One note:  I'm
not so sure that USC's offensive line will be that much stronger.
The Aztec's have a pretty good o. line this year.  Defense; that's
probably another story!

-Steve
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian)
Subject: Re: Bowl Records           
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:10:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.123433.1@max.u.washington.edu> daytrpr@max.u.washington.edu writes:
>
>
>I've compiled some bowl statistics that I though everyone would like
>to look at.  One note, I COULD NOT FIND STATS FOR THE INDEPENDANTS, so
>you won't see Notre Dame, Penn State, etc.  If anyone has them, please
>feel free to post them or add to this!  Thanks.
>
>
>MOST BOWL VICTORIES
>
>1. Alabama     24
>2. USC         22
>3. Oklahoma    19
>4. Georgia Tech17
>   Tennessee   17
>6. Texas       16
>7. Georgia     14
>   Nebraska    14
>9. Mississippi 13
>10.Washington  12
>   Auburn      12

Are you absolutely sure that these are the exact figures?  I think that USC,
Washington, and Nebraska have won more bowls than indicated above.
I don't know, maybe it's just me.  But, some of the above numbers seem to be
kinda low. 

Thanks,


>  Other stuff deleted.

>-Steve


Behzad





Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Re: Which would you choose??
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 17 Aug 1992 11:56 EST  

In article <1992Aug14.230316.12348@mdd.comm.mot.com>, behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian) writes...
>In article <BszKuG.1s4@news.larc.nasa.gov> mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael L Nelson) writes:
>>Cliff writes:
>>
>>>Why Mr. Swanger, that would be Washington State, of course.  The Husky 
>>>Cougar battles in the Apple Cup are legends around these parts, but I suppose
>>>that the Apple Cup is a poor victim of the vicious ECMB.
>>
>>Well, I for one would like to know more about it.  I would guess that
>>UW would hold a significant advantage, or does the fact that it is a
>>state rivalry make the series more even?
> 
> It is a VERY heated rivalry.  Since a lot of our relatives and high school
> friends go to the OTHER school, there is a LOT more trash-talk.  :)
> It is really fun.
> UW usually posts better teams than WSU, but all of that can be thrown out
> during Apple Cup.  For example, in 1983, UW had to beat WSU in Husky Stadium
> to make it to the Rose Bowl.  UW was highly ranked and favored.  Well, you
> could probably guess what happened.  The lowly WSU beat UW and sent them
> to the Aloha Bowl.  

This is the great thing about Pac-10 football.  The conference is 
completely symmetrical, geographically (i.e. rivalry-wise).  So on or about 
the Saturday of Thanksgiving weekend, every rivalry in the conference is 
played.  And, almost always, some second echelon spoiler has the 
opportunity to knock their hated rival out of the Rose Bowl.  And there's 
enough parity in the league that it actually happens fairly often.


> I consider the 1981 Apple Cup to be very special, because both the UW and
> WSU would make it to the Rose Bowl if either won the Apple Cup.

This circumstance is more rare, with the exception of USC vs. UCLA.

>>Do both schools get up for the game?  Is the rivalry pretty much 2-way?
> 
> Both teams definitely get up for the game.  That's why being ranked high
> and all that jazz doesn't mean anything.  Most Apple Cup games are very
> close until the second half.
> 

All ten teams get up for these games.  Although I would guess that the 
spoilers do more than the Rose Bowl teams.


>>Michael Nelson
> 
>With regards,
> 
>Behzad
>

R Dendy
From: zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Most rushing yards this year?
Keywords: n
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:04:43 GMT
Organization: Amoco Production

>>    Who do you think will have the most rushing yards/passing yards this year?
>
>The Missile
>(syracuse)
>
>-Ty Detmer
>
>/\  Ty Detmer - Quaterback, BYU
>\/  Heisman Trophy Winner

what would Ty Detmer be doing in Boca Raton, Fla???

cmuck
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Subject: Re: KICKOFF CLASSIC- NCSU's GREAT CHANCE
Reply-To: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:03:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.211912.21450@ncsu.edu> delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) gushes:
>
>
>  If NCSU can beat Iowa in the Kickoff Classic, this win could propel NCSU
> into the top 25 for years to come.

    Or, the bubble could be burst and the mirage fade away.

> If NCSU beats Iowa by more than a touchdown, we have a
> chance to knock off Florida State. No question. If we lose, it will be a good
> experience.

    Can you say "Snowball's chance in hell"?  Chalk it up to
experience.

> By the way, NCSU was #26 in the polling for the top 25. No respect.

    Another "re" word is appropriate here:  REality.

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com
NCSWho?
From: acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: USC Football
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:17:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <l92j7qINNg4f@spica.usc.edu>, valdis@spica.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs) writes...
>>I would love to see 'SC do well. But I don't think it's going to happen.
> 
>I think they call a football fan such as you a "fair-weather" fan, rather
>than a "loyal or die-hard fan". But dont worry,most sports fans are!

No, that's called a "realistic" fan.  As opposed to a "blind faith" fan.  A 
fair weather fan is the one who claims he doesn't care about football, 
because USC sucks.  I realize that you may never have seen a realistic USC 
fan before, but they are a distinct breed from the fair weather ones that 
surround you.

> 
>Fight On,
>Valdis Kalejs
> 

Clap On,

R Dendy
From: noonan@icd3.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Noonan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Schedule determines #1
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:56:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.205910.8439@mdd.comm.mot.com>,
behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian) writes:

}In article <1992Aug12.150309.28665@hou.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace) writes:
}>So Washington can be undefeated, ranked #1 and not get invited to the 
}>Rose Bowl...  I LOVE IT!!!  Another year the Rose Bowl misses a Nat'l
}>Championship game!!
}
}This sounds good to me.  This way, maybe UW will go to the Orange Bowl and play
}UM, which will be a much better game, with more at stake, than let's say 
}a game against Michigan.  There is one downside to this and that is that I
}couldn't go to California to watch my team play.  I sure won't make the trip
}to Florida.  *sigh*  I guess that everything has a downside.

I assume by UM you mean University of Missouri when they win the Big 8
championship?
:)

Mizzou-rah!!!!!

-Mike Noonan
From: doel@ausable.crd.ge.com (Michael Doel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Fair Weather Fans
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:54:54 GMT
Reply-To: doel@crd.ge.com
Organization: GE Research & Development

In article <1992Aug19.212513.12396@rtsg.mot.com>, gatchall@rtsg.mot.com (Scott W. Gatchall) writes:
> In article <Bt8KoM.7Ls@news.larc.nasa.gov> dtice@avd23.larc.nasa.gov (David C. Tice) writes:
> >Oh my, a post from Ohio State flaming USC for firing a coach with a 26-21-1 
> >record.  Didn't OSU have a coach who had at least 8 or 9 wins
> >a year and they ran him out of town on a rail???  Recall Earle Bruce?
> >Now that was the height of loyalty, wasn't it?
> 
> If you had any sort of clue regarding the mindset of the OSU football program,
> you'd know that Bruce's firing had NOTHING to do with his _overall_ and seasonal
> records. You can win every game throughout the season, BUT if you don't
> win The Big One ... the season is simply a failure.  Couple
> that with some bowl game losses (a la Cooper) ... and ... you're history as an
> OSU coach.

With all due respect, I think OSU fans would love to go back to Earle's
success against Michigan.  I'm not sure of the exact record, but I
think Earle was 5-4 against Michigan during his years at Ohio State.
Likewise, Earle managed to win some bowl games which Cooper hasn't
yet been able to do (at Ohio State).

There are 3 major reasons (IMO) why Earle was fired:

   1) He wasn't a good recruiter & so it never seemed that OSU had
      the talent to legitimately compete for the national championship.
   2) His teams were inconsistent.  In my freshman year, we beat #1
      Iowa only to turn around and lose to Wisconsin for like the 4th
      time in six years.
   3) The "charisma" thing.



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From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Years of eligibility question
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:28:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsj.1992Aug12.172804.7959
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

So, the RU newcomers report and missing from the group
is one of their top recruits, Reggie Funderburke of Hyattsville,
Md.  It seems Jason had major surgery on his shoulder and will
enter school for the start of the second semester.  This begs my
question, Is Jason then considered part of the 1993 incoming class
and eligible to be redshirted as a freshman next year?
Or is he considered medically redshirted for this year,
with 4 years of eligibility remaining?
-- 
"Listen up son, and pay attention.   |  Bob Dieckmann (rwd@mtfme.att.com)
How ya' gonna learn anything if you  |  GO: Mets (& dear old Rutgers)
always got your head in a book?"     |  I probably should've included smileys.
                -- Foghorn Leghorn   |  **usual disclaimer**
From: sboztas@solar.usc.edu (Serdar Boztas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Beavers will win MNC fer sure!
Date: 18 Aug 1992 19:14:24 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: solar.usc.edu
Keywords: Oregon State, Champion, MNC, fair weather crap

yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee) writes:

>THE OREGON STATE BEAVERS WILL WIN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
>YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!!!

[poor attempt at humor deleted]

Beavers winning the MNC is about as likely as Stanfraud winning
it, slim to none. This year, or ever...

Serdar