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From: grahama@bnr.ca (Graham Ashby)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Neverending Songs
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:56:46 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ontario, Canada


If you watch TV, you may have heard the song...
"This is the song that newer ends, 
It just goes on and on my friends..." (etc) (ad nauseum)

I just thought up a new one up for my 4YO...

"An infinite bottles of pop on the wall,
An infinite bottles of pop.
You take one down and pass it around,
An infinite bottles of pop on the wall."

(sung to the usual tune)
-- he's been interested in Infinity lately  :-)


---
Graham Ashby   grahama@bnr.ca
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle)
Subject: Cute Things They Say [2 years]
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:00:37 GMT


We were driving back from a trip and Rachel was sitting in the back seat
reciting poetry and singing.  I didn't even know she knew some of those
songs by heart, so it was fun listening to her.  Anyway, she started 
singing the alphabet song, mangling some of it.  But, I'm not quite
sure that the middle part was a mistake.  She sang,
'...h,i,j,k,m, no, no, no, no, p...".  

The two year old's alphabet song, perhaps?


-- 
riggle@adobe.com
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Left Handed or Right Handed?
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:25:13 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Aug12.153021.10875@exu.ericsson.se> exucapa@exu.ericsson.se writes:
>At what age can you be sure what your child's handedness will be?
>
I remember reading that lefties are lefties from a very early age
(6 mo to 1 yr) but that righties may seem ambidextrous for years.
Maybe they are naturally ambidextrous, but become righties just
to fit in with the norm (but this is my own theory).
Certainly, Laura used either hand for several years, but is
starting to show a preference for her right hand (age 3.6).

-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Subject: Re: duplicate baby blankets
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:59:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.165652.29629@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
> In article <1992Aug17.155211.15160@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch) writes:
> >In article <Bt4t95.230@apollo.hp.com> betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) writes:
> >>
> >>indispensable, and which will sit forever on a high shelf.  My
> >>daughter must have had ten or eleven stuffed animals by the time she
> >                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >>was six months old.  (Everybody LOVES to give babies stuffed animals,
> >
> >Goodness!  At last count, Laura had 45 stuffed animals (many were mine
> >in the bad old days).  She got 11 for her first Christmas alone!
> >I've given at least a dozen away to church rummage sales.  Brian has
> >only receive 5 so far (which I appreciate - Laura won't give up any of her
> >45!).  Oh, she also has 5 dolls.  Do they count? 
> >
> 
> It must be a 'girl' thing. Jeffrey was given several at the baby showers. That
> doesnt count, since no one knew he was a boy. Since he was born, I can think 
> of only one stuffed animal he has received from anyone other then my mother
> and me. A good friends daughter, who is two days younger then Jeffrey 
> receives several stuffed animals at every gift giving occasion. She also gets
> lots of clothes as gifts, which Jeffrey never gets, either.

Keith was given several stuffed animals during his early years
(and also some clothes).  I was more suprised when Kurt was born
(5 years after Keith) and Kurt was given a LOT of stuffed animals.
By then, Keith wasn't playing with them much, so Kurt had
inherited Keith's animals.  And there were several animals 
from my early adulthood (teh old young women and stuffed animals
connection).  So the last thing Kurt needed was more animals.
However, he is showing more interest in them than his big brother
ever did.  (And Kurt did receive some clothes, too)

It's fun to go on walks with Kurt (21 mo.) as he pushes his shopping
cart with my old baby doll in the child seat, another doll in the
basket part, and a coupl more stuffed animals and small cars
also crammed in the basket part.
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine)
Subject: Re: You know you're a parent when (was Re: Tantrums)
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:39:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.083052.28966@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> leeba@mcil.comm.mot.com writes:
>YES!  At least with two, you still have a little room in your cart for groceries!
>(Though two will fight over who sits in the little seat.) Too bad they don't make
>double decker/twin grocery carts too!

Yes -- and then Timmy finds the eggs (that you *can't* put put of his reach),
and gives them to Anna, who drops them, one by one, back into the grocery
cart, ... and you leave a trail of egg white behind as you absently pull
the car forward in the checkout line ...

(Get the impression we have a "new thing to work on" in our house?  I can't
*wait* to have three so this seems easy ... ;-)  On the good side, though,
at least I don't get temper tantrums!)

-- Misty

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk)
Subject: Re: Doman and the Better Baby Institute
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:51:29 GMT

In article <16846C678.M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org>
M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk) writes:
>In article <18249@polstra.UUCP>
>larryba@polstra.UUCP (Larry Barello) writes:
>>Does anyone out there have experience with early childhood home teaching?
>>In particular the stuff promoted by Doman and the Better Baby Institute.
>>We have read "How to multiply your babies intelligence" and other Doman
>>books.  We have also started on some of the programs.  It seems to work,
>>yet I wonder if this is the best way to give our children the proper
>>start in their educational career?
>>
>>Any thoughts on how these programs dovetail with structured pre-school
>>like Montessori?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>--
>>Larry Barello                   uunet!polstra!larryba
>
>        Read _Miseducation_ by David Elkind.  He discusses Doman and also
>Montessori pre-school teaching methods.
>
>                        K. Wilk
>                        M18611@MBVM.MITRE.ORG
 
   I realize that my post may be misleading.  Yes, Elkind is against the type
of education that Doman espouses but he has good things to say about Montessori
pre-schools.  I didn't mean to lump the two together, having given the title
of Elkind's book, _Miseducation_ (leading the reader to believe that Montessori
is 'miseducation').
  Until I read this book, I wasn't too worried about the quality of elementary
school education my kids might receive.  Elkind has written some books about
the trend of modern parents to pressure children, unwittingly in most cases,
to succeed at tasks they are not ready to handle.  This book continues in that
vein.
  My kids go to a Montessori school - be aware that not all Montessori schools
are alike!
  I liked the Elkind book.  It worried me but I enjoyed his perspective.
  When I was really a young baby (don't remember the age but it might have been
ten months), my mother saw me take a step.  She made it her personal mission to
teach me to walk.  Which I did, eventually. She persisted in her efforts to
teach me until I was walking a lot and banging into almost ever piece of furni-
ture in the house.  She took me to the doctor because she thought I had
problems with my eyesight.  The doctor told her that I had problems navigating
around because there was noplace that I really wanted to GO!  But I kept
walking, well-trained little automaton that I was (and proud mama that she
was).
 
                        K. Wilk
                        M18611@MBVM.MITRE.ORG
 
            <--********************************-->
 'Thrusting my nose firmly between his teeth, I threw him to the ground
  on top of me.' - Mark Twain
            <--********************************-->
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: Left Handed or Right Handed?
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:50:13 GMT

On 12 Aug 92 15:30:21 GMT, exucapa@exu.ericsson.se (Carrol Patterson,xt-dk,x1209) said:

Carrol> At what age can you be sure what your child's handedness will be?

In some cases, in the womb.  I read an article about lefthandedness
that said that if a baby sucks its left thumb in the womb (as seen
in ultrasound) the baby is almost certain to be lefthanded.  Do we
have anyone here with any stories about this?

The reason that this doesn't work for righthandedness is that some
lefthandedness is apparently caused by problems at birth.  People
with this acquired (rather than congenital) lefthandedness are the
ones that have all the problems that show up in the studies that
we've heard about.  It seems that the lefthandedness and the other
problems are results of some sort of neurological problem.  This
group, by the way, is much smaller than the congenital group.

Carrol> Also, does anyone know if that tendency is inherited?  Or is it
Carrol> just luck of the draw?

The latter. acquired kind is just bad luck.  The congenital kind
seems to be weakly heritable, as I recall.

--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
 "A MiG at your six is better than no MiG at all."  Unknown US fighter pilot
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: duplicate baby blankets
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:35:04 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <2289@gandalf.intel.com>, linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin) writes:

> What I did and it worked like a charm is I took her favorite blanket (once it
> was determined which one it was) and cut it in two.  Fortunately, it was a
> rather large blanket.  I always kept half the blanket clean and swapped the
> dirty half during naptime or at night.  It worked great, and Andrea never
> knew the difference.  (I also kept the clean half hidden away so she would not
> set it). 


This just struck me as a good opportunity to comment:  we parents should give
ourselves a hand for this kind of stuff that we ALL do!  Taking the effort
to make sure a lovey is always there...shooing away those pesky monsters in the
dark...trying to understand what that excited 2 year old is pointing
at...making sure the peas don't touch the potatoes.  All those daily, unsung 
efforts for the sake of making little faces happy. 

Parents: ya gotta love 'em :)

Ann Helmers
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Funny card
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:32:14 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <1992Aug17.184152.6215@newstand.syr.edu>, kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:

> Just the other day we were talking about when our kid is old enough (not
> even being born yet) explaining to her that every Saturday morning mommy
> and daddy like to have an hour to play by themselves in their room, with
> not other explanation aside from the obvious "if there's an emergency, you
> can knock on the door."
> 
> We figure by the time the kid's 13, she'll figure out what we've been
> doing and will be too embarrassed to say anything.


I wouldn't worry--you both will be too tired to be doing anything like that
till she's about, oh, 13 anyway...:)

Ann Helmers
From: fsacp@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Kids and showers w/ parents and other stuff!
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:00:11 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

Hi again,
  I have a question for everyone, and it may start another "war"

But here it goes anyways!

    Up to what age is it appropriate to have a child showering with
mommy?

  I say that when a kid reaches 2 and a half it's a little inapropriate,
because they are starting to learn more.

  I'm curious what everyone else says.

Also has anyone had an experience with their baby not gaining enough weight?
Aaron lost weight this month instead of gaining!  He was supposed to gain 2
pounds, and in the last week or so he has only gained 2 ounces!

Well we go for a sweat test this morning!

Gotta run (actually HE's the one who will be sweating)

Jay
From: laura@TASVAX.NSWSES.NAVY.MIL
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Birth announcement
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:44:53 GMT
Reply-To: laura@TASVAX.NSWSES.NAVY.MIL
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center, Port Hueneme Division

Hi everybody.  I just stopped by work to clean off my desk.  The surprise
birth of my daughter left me with lots of loose ends to tie up.

For everyone who asked to be kept informed:

Maryrose Nadine McGovern surprised Roby and me by being born three weeks
early.  She emerged at 1:14am on Wednesday August 5th.

I lost my plug Monday at about noon, and my water broke around 2:20 am 
Tuesday.  I was in and out of labor all day Tuesday.  I was chugging water
and walking around the hospital to get things moving.  5pm Tuesday, they
induced labor.  8 hours later, she was born (23 hours after my water broke).

On a completely different note, an aweful lot of people seem to have
misunderstood my posting on eye color.  I was responding to the poster who
said brown+blue (parents) = brown, etc. without taking into account the
recessive genes the parents might be carrying from their own parents.  A
lot of people responded by telling me that my parents also carried the
genes for blue eyes.  I already knew this, and this was exactly my point.

I'll be back to work in early November (unless I win the Lotto).

See ya later,

Laura

laura@tasvax.nswses.navy.mil		|   Naval Surface Warfare Center
I speak only for myself.		|   Port Hueneme, CA
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 19 Aug 1992 12:26:14 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: No TV On Weekdays (Was:Misch.Child)
 <4310180@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> <1992Aug14.201604.2201969@locus.com>
 <1992Aug17.135101.25186@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>

hooray for unscheduled houses!  breakfast at one in the afternoon,
lunch at four, dinner at nine or ten!  B)  katy doesn't get to
watch tv on the weekdays - or on the weekends.  no one watches
tv in our house, except for star trek during the regular season,
and life goes on after it (but even then, only when star trek
isn't a repeat).  katy survives.  she draws a lot, she colors a
lot, she plays house with her dolls, she plays outdoors, she
looks at her books, she helps me clean house when i clean house,
we go to the library (she does NOT help jim clean house - no one
helps jim clean house!!!  B)  ), we go shopping for groceries...

hmm...  it's a lovely day today.  i think i'll take her to the town
pool...  tv, bleah!!!!!  if i want katy out from underfoot, i give
her a bath!

                                          -ailsa
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Funny things they say (3YO)
From: sj@silma.com (Suzanne)
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:24:43 GMT
Organization: Silma Inc

"We went to the fair.  It was the county fair...  But why
didn't they have counting there?"
From: ls3q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lisa M. Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Off dairy foods
Date: 13 Aug 92 05:23:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.geWa9dG00iUx41P6QF
Distribution: world
Organization: Biological Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Our 3 1/2 year old son can only tollerate small amounts of dairy
products in a day.  We are concerned about his calcium and protein
intake because of this.  We would appreciate advise on providing these
in his diet from other parents who have faced similar situations. 
Thanks!!!
From: Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Colanders for babies
Date: 19 Aug 92 03:53:38 GMT
Organization: Echo Beach

A plastic colander makes a neat bath toy for a baby.

(A colander is a bowl with holes in it, normally used to drain water
from pasta or other cooked foods.)

Nigel Allen


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     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
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From: ken@dakota (Kenny Chaffin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Etiquette question: bris (sp?)
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:16:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

In article <1992Aug13.151711.21694@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.113917.4521@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> gordonb@mcil.comm.mot.com (Gordon Berkley) writes:
>
>>Just adding my own 0.02 shekel, among the other relevent points of a bris,
>
>>Further, although the Mohel is typically the person that does the cutting,
>>the ritual obligation is on father to perform.  Nowadays, I have attended
>>several Bris's where the father did the actual cutting (under the mohel's
>>supervision).  Me?  NO WAY!  (I was "invited to", but declined at my sons.)
>
>Yes, it is the father's responsibility, and when an uncirmcumcised
>Jewish boy turns thirteen, it becomes his own responsibility.  One of

	I know this will start the flames flying, but I have to say


		CIRCUMCISION IS BARBARIC!!!!!



KAC
 
My opinions only.



Kenny A. Chaffin                      {...boulder}!uswat!ken
U S WEST Advanced Technologies         ken@dakota.uswest.com
4001 Discovery Drive  Boulder, CO 80303	     (303) 541-6355
 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Subject: Re: "Love" Triangle
Summary: sheesh! 
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:39:06 GMT

In article <23505@alice.att.com> llf@alice.UUCP (alice!llf) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.234150.2204496@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug17.233733.17080@cco.caltech.edu> hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough) writes:
>>>
>>>One thing my husband and I talked about doing was contacting social welfare
>>>authorities.  If the family situation really is that dysfunctional, maybe
>>>intervention is warranted.  We never did have the guts to go through with
>>>it, though. 
>>
>>Wait!  Stop!  There is another alternative.  Perhaps the family simply needs
>>educating.  We have a similar family in our social circle.  The mom is great,
>
>Yes!  You folks have no idea how many times misc.kids and/or neighbors
>saved parents from themselves (or parents from their kids, for that matter).

Well, I'm glad that you guys are so confident in your ability to effectively
provide support/guidance to a neighbor, but some families really are
in need of professional help and there are social welfare agencies where
people are trained to handle this sort of thing.  I'm a bit surprised
at the huge outcry against the suggestion of contacting authorities.
"Trigger happy in calling social services"?  Sure there are some 
nightmare stories about children who were taken away because someone saw
them being spanked or because some doctor overreacted to an injury, but
I really don't believe this kind of thing is epidemic.  If anything,
I sometimes regret the one case where I was tempted to make a report,
and didn't. 

>Just because someone has kids doesn't mean they know anything about kids,
>and maybe none of their relatives know anything about kids either.  And
>the appearance of negligence, or even of behavior you disagree with, doesn't
>mean the parents aren't well intentioned, or are doing these things
>deliberately.

I never said that the parents weren't well-intentioned or were being 
deliberately harmful.  You don't have to call a social welfare authority
and report gross negligance--you could just call and explain the situation
as you see it.  Who knows?  Maybe they would recognize the signs of a 
mother who is overwhelmed and offer a Head Start program for the
pre-schoolers, or a support group for the mother, or maybe even a person 
to come to the house to help out.

>can be devastating to otherwise well intentioned families.  Don't call just
>because you don't want to be "nosy" or "embarrassing" to the other family.

Sheesh!  The concern here is to try to help out these kids.  Even if
a neighbor is good-hearted and able to provide a surrogate family for
kids who are being ignored at home, it isn't going to make up entirely for
the situation at home.  Helping your neighbor is fine, but helping may
sometimes include recognizing cases where they need more help than
you can provide.

Sue 


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: stigle@cs.unca.edu (Sue Stigleman)
Subject: Re: Things They Say [4]
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:54:40 GMT

Regarding children thinking parents are 90, etc, the
wife of one of my husband's co-workers was getting braces
on her teeth.  When she told her 13 year-old daughter, the
daughter looked at her and said "How long do you think 
you're going to live, anyway?!"

Sue Stigleman
University of North Carolina at Asheville
stigle@cs.unca.edu


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values 
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 21:16:26 GMT
Reply-To: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA

In article <713760718snx@whizbang.wariat.org>, mark@whizbang.wariat.org (Mark 
W. Schumann) writes:
> ! I do not think that any faction of xtianity can be said to be a religious 
> ! minority.  Worship of Jesus is the default in this country.
> 
> Ask a Jehovah's Witness.  Or a Mormon.

Both of whom claim to worship Jesus.
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Kids and showers w/ parents and other stuff!
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:35:30 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

>fsacp@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
>
>    Up to what age is it appropriate to have a child showering with
>mommy?
>
>  I say that when a kid reaches 2 and a half it's a little inapropriate,
>because they are starting to learn more.

I assume you're asking about a boy-kid, rather than a girl-kid?  I
don't see a problem at that age at all, as long as the parents are
comfortable with it.  I certainly don't see any reason to stop the
shower-routine as long as the child is still following the parent into
the bathroom!



--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Subject: Re: Toddler table/chair recommendations
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:33:25 GMT


We have the Fisher Price set and like it a lot.  The table
and 2 chairs were $50-$60 5 years ago (haven't priced them
since).  They are VERY sturdy -- 200 pound grown ups have 
perched on the chairs.  The table is a biggish square, so we use it
as the "littlest kid" table at family parties where we 
are running out of table space -- it can seat four kids.

Turned on its side, it makes for a reasonable puppet stage.

The slight rim/ridge proved to be helpful with spills.

THe storage provided for crayons/markers in the table and chair
backs is non-essential, in our household (actually, they 
just make for places to misplace objects)

Whatver surface a kids table and chair has, it should be
able to withstand food, drink, glue, crayons, marker, paint,
and being whacked with scissors.

The table and chairs must be sturdy enough to hold kids
dancing on them.
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich