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Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: MCAT scores?
From: mcbeanb@brandonu.ca
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:33:56 CST
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

> Quoting from the Fidonet Mensa Echo's "Standard Electronic Blurb":
> 
>  SEB> According to a brochure published by American Mensa, Ltd. the following
>  SEB> tests and scores are recognized:
>  SEB>
>  SEB>  California Test of Mental Maturity                     IQ 132
>  SEB>  (California) Test of Cognitive Skills                  IQ 132
>  SEB>  Cattell                                                IQ 148
>  SEB>  PSAT                                        Jr year score 180
>  SEB>                                              Sr year score 195
>  SEB>  CEEB or SAT (Verbal and Math combined) prior to 9/77     1300
>  SEB>  CEEB or SAT (Verbal and Math combined) effective 9/77    1250
>  SEB>  GRE (Verbal and Math combined)                           1250
>  SEB>  LSAT                                      (prior to 1982) 662
>  SEB>                                                (as of 1982) 39
>  SEB>  ACT Composite                                              29
>  SEB>  Miller Analogies Test - raw score                          66
>  SEB>  Stanford Binet, Form L-M                               IQ 132
>  SEB>  Wechler Adult and Children Scales
>  SEB>      (WAIS and WAIS-R, WISC and WISC-R)                 IQ 130
>  SEB>  Otis-Lennon Tests                                      IQ 132
>  SEB>  Otis-Gamma Test                                        IQ 131
>  SEB>  MCAT or GMAT                                      overall 95%
>  SEB>  Army GCT (prior to 10/80)                                 136
>  SEB>  Navy GCT (prior to 10/80)                                  68
>  SEB>
>  SEB> Other tests are accepted subject to individual appraisal of
>  SEB> documentation provided.  [...]  If you haven't taken any of these
>  SEB> tests then you may be able to contact a local Mensa organization
>  SEB> and be tested.  Usually there are regularly scheduled testing
>  SEB> sessions available for a small fee.

Is anyone out there able to tell me how an MCAT score can be translated
to "overall 95%" or overall any%?

Brian McBean  -  McBeanB@BrandonU.Ca
From: Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Who's in charge here?
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:18:21 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/207.1 - Sunnyvale Fido Conn, Sunnyvale CA


Dave Aronson writes about "Who's in charge here?" to All  [09 Apr 92 05:43]

DA> gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes: 

 > What is it that you wish to know that the
 > most intelligent person on this newsgroup may bestow His knowledge
 > upon thee?

DA>  phil%miracle@merk.com (Phil Hill) replies: 

 PH> How does one go about sending
 PH> small NUKES through the net.  I have a need to know.  :-)

DA>  Maybe, but do you have the proper clearances? B-) 

It all depends upon the width of the nuke and the width of the net access; it
the net access is wider than the nuke, he has sufficient clearance.
 
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From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Mensa Publicity
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 00:52:24 -0500

terryk@encore.com (Terence M. Kelleher) writes:

 TMK> I have been given the task of advertising these test date.  We have a
 TMK> data base of newspapers, radio and TV stations, and I send public
 TMK> service announcements to each on the list.  We also try to find
 TMK> reasons to get articles in the local papers, whenever a good excuse
 TMK> comes along.  

 TMK> I would like to hear about any other publicity ideas.

 Put flyers in the libraries and schools (especialy of course school
 libraries), and book stores.  Try to get your dates announced in the media
 during the timeframes when qualified people would most likely be listening.
From: Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Books that last
Date: 11 Apr 92 03:33:09 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/207.1 - Sunnyvale Fido Conn, Sunnyvale CA


"didi Pancake" writes about "Re: Books that last" to All  [10 Apr 92 17:47]

"P> I would suggest that this might actually become a reality when 
"P> we "solve" the "problem" of using broadcast power instead of 
"P> batteries or plug-in cords. Last summer I heard Alan Kay give 
"P> an interesting talk in which he forecast that the next real breakthrough

"P> in making computing machinery more useful and more accessible 
"P> to the "man in the street" would be just this.


What is Alan up to these days?  The last time that I heard him talk was at MacWorld
Expo 1987 in San Francisco.  He talked about the history of the GUI interface
and showed some film clips of his earliest efforts in 1969.  Last I heard of
him, he was working at MIT as an Apple Fellow on a "classroom of the future"
type project.
 
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Organization: Masters student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Date: Mon,  6 Apr 1992 21:38:32 -0400 
From: David O Hunt <dh4j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: /T/T/T/T/ mrmrks and beating a dead horse ...

>> Hey, Scott, I _am_ smarter than a lot of people.  A lot of my friends
>> recognize this, my family recognizes this, heck, even most of my
>> enemies recognize this.
> 
>No doubt.  The question remains:  Do you really believe that you're smarter
>than 98% of the population?
>
>Scott Tai

Judging by a majority of the people I've met in "everyday" life, that is to say
not in academic circles, yes.  Doesn't mean I'm "better" in every sense.  I've
met people I've worked with who have been quite average in intellect but whose
experience I'd kill to have.

I suppose this explains why I don't limit my circle of friends to Mensans, no?



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From: phil%miracle@merk.com (Phil Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: /T/T/T/T/T/T/T/T/T/T/T/T/T/T/T/T/T/T/T/T/ makes me sick
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 19:31:09 EST
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

suopanki@stekt.oulu.fi (Heikki T. Suopanki) writes:
>
>
>I hate /T/

I have a question though.  Why the /T/'s it looks like that Scott Tai is
inserting them in his postings?  Does he want to see how much traffic he
is making?  Or does he want to make it easy to KILLFILE him?
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Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: roger@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: /T/T/ Cattell Culture Fair Test
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:54:03 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.221808.25006@ncsu.edu> tai@ailab.ncsu.edu (Scott Tai) writes:
>David O Hunt <dh4j+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>>>I'm curious why the Cattell score required is significantly higher 
>>>( > 15 points) than for any other IQ tests.

>>Could it possibly be that the scales are different?  Just perchance????

>You tell me; I'm asking.  (Didn't you criticize me earlier for posting
>'opinions not supported by fact' to this newsgroup?)

My comment was in response to the tone of your posting (most of which
you've deleted).  The Cattell was held up as a culture-fair test, and
you suggested that Mensa was discriminating by setting a higher cutoff.

Now, in light of the DOZENS of postings about IQ tests, including many
that discussed the different norms that different tests have, you should
have been able to think of this one yourself.

And ask more nicely.

Now, since then, somebody else has posted the answer: they are indeed
normed differently.  Both scores represent about 2 s.d. above the mean.

Roger
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: Mike_Steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Who's in charge here?
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:28:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Claris Corporation

In article <1992Apr7.153927.28024@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
> 
> In article <702648459.F00001@blkcat.UUCP>, Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson) writes:
> > I wrote:
> > 
> >  DA> If memory serves, he is the moderator (not in the "censor" sense
> >  DA> of moderated newsgroups, but more like the "guy in charge")
> > 
> > phil%miracle@merk.com (Phil Hill) replies:
> > 
> >  PH> I am _NOT_ in charge here (I'll leave that job to Al Haig :->).
> >  PH> Nor is Ed Bertch, nor is ANYONE.
> > 
> > Then is there nobody "empowered" to speak on behalf of the newsgroup itself?
> 
> That would be me, my son!  What is it that you wish to know that the
> most intelligent person on this newsgroup may bestow His knowledge
> upon thee?

How do you know that you're the most intelligent person on this newsgroup?
Did you compare IQs with everyone else here?  Even if you were the most
intelligent person on the newsgroup, how does that empower you to speak on
behalf of the newsgroup itself?

Enquiring minds want to know.

(this message is smiley-captioned for the humor impaired--all others
will smile even without the caption.) :-)
From: cjdcosta@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER J DCOSTA)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Rebuttal/Anecdote/Respect!
Keywords: Flaming megawar degeneration
Date: 11 Apr 92 06:27:40 GMT
Reply-To: cjdcosta@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER J DCOSTA)
Organization: Project EOS - North Carolina State University

lomasm@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Martin Lomas) writes:

>The debate-cum-flamewar-cum-vitriol has been fun and in some
>cases very amusing. However, I'm disappointed in the lack of
>intelligence shown for conducting/concluding the arguments -
>especially considering the self proclaimed super-intelligence
>of one of the contestants.

You are not the first to make such an observation. I believe
it's time to make a point:

If you don't think that mensans are intelligent, and that the
entrance criteria are flawed, then you cannot draw any 
conclusions from the behavior of mensans on this group.

If on the other hand, you do believe mensans to be intelligent
folk, then the definition of intelligent behavior must be 
extended to include the behavior of any mensan contributing 
to this group. 

What exactly constitutes intelligent behavior depends on 
an individual's perception of the same.
From: Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Which is the Best RG? (Was: Re: A Truly International Gathering)
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:45:20 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/207.1 - Sunnyvale Fido Conn, Sunnyvale CA


Phil Hill writes about "Which is the Best RG? (Was: Re: A Truly International
Gathering)" to All  [15 Apr 92 05:26]

PH> crossgl@infonode.ingr.com (Gordon Cross) writes: 

>What are your favorite RGs??  Mine are in approximate order:

One should keep in mind that rating RGs is a most subjective matter--especially
since many people go only to the ones that are fairly local to them.

PH> Assigining 6 points for first, 5 for second, etc... The score 
PH> is: 

The *approximate* score is... :-)
 
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Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: rhs@world.std.com (Richard H Schwartz)
Subject: Re: mrmrks and beating a dead horse ...
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:21:08 GMT

grohol@novavax.UUCP (John Grohol) writes:

>tai@ailab.ncsu.edu (Scott Tai) writes:

>>This has not been satisfactorily proven.  ETS is on the record as saying that
>>their tests should NOT be used as IQ tests.  Yet MENSA persists in doing so.

>ETS is nobody's God. Try looking at the research in the field. As
>I've said in the past, and will say so in the future, this is not
>even a matter of contention to those who are in the field of
>psychometric testing. The only person who seems to dispute these
>high correlations are you and ETS. Check out:

[references, etc. deleted]

Why does ETS assert that their tests shouldn't be used as IQ tests? 
I have little doubt that they do this for legal and marketing purposes, and 
that they would do so no matter how strong the correlation.  By narrowly 
defining the purpose of their materials, they are protecting themselves from 
lawsuits by people who might claim that they were denied one thing or
another on the basis of inappropriate use of their scores.  Also, they are 
protecting their property interest in their testing materials by establishing 
differentiation from other tests.  Also, they are adding to the mystique
of their materials by saying, in effect, "This test measures only one
thing: college aptitude.  We've done such a good job figuring out how to
do this that we have eliminated all the factors that don't corrlate with
success in higher education.  So, you can rest easy knowing that our tests
are the best thing you can possibly use for this purpose."  Finally, they're
protecting themselves from lots of controversy over intelligence itself, 
testing methods, applications of scores, etc. all of which would damage their
reputation regardless of the outcome.  Considering how often they are 
criticized (justly or not) for their performance within the narrow bounds of 
their stated purpose, it's easy to see why they don't want to expose themselves
to more.

-rich




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From: Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: /T/T/ Cattell Culture Fair Test
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:14:32 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/207.1 - Sunnyvale Fido Conn, Sunnyvale CA


Roger Lustig writes about "Re: /T/T/ Cattell Culture Fair Test" to All  [09
Apr 92 05:43]

RL> My comment was in response to the tone of your posting (most 
RL> of which you've deleted). The Cattell was held up as a culture-fair 
RL> test, and you suggested that Mensa was discriminating by setting 
RL> a higher cutoff.

Roger, the Cattell listed in the brochure and Dave Aronson's SEB is not the
Cattell Culture Fair test;  the Culture Fair is a different test completely.
 Everything else you write in the message from which the above was exerpt is
correct.
 
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From: Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: /T/T/ 'Herr Goebbels'
Date: 6 Apr 92 10:19:47 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/207.1 - Sunnyvale Fido Conn, Sunnyvale CA


Scott Tai writes about "/T/T/ 'Herr Goebbels'" to All  [05 Apr 92 23:55]

> Ah! but you clearly assiciate with the alleged Nazi (you have the same
> opinions).  If we are discriminatory, then we can also practice guilt
> by association.  You Nzai bastard Tai!

ST>  Should've known... more flames from Camp Phil Hill! 
ST> When you have something constructive to say, say it. Until then, 
ST> get out of here. You're wasting everyone's time! 

Listen, you Nazi bastard!  You haven't said anything constructive since you
began to infest this newsgroup.  Do the world a favor and shoot yourself in
the ass--I'd ask you to shoot yourself in the head, but that wouldn't do any
damage--there's nothing there to damage.
 
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From: jess%miracle@merk.com (Shi'nayne)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: /T/T/T/ Mensa Frauds Exposed - Fraud #1
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:52:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: miracle.qqP1iB7w164w
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

tai@ailab.ncsu.edu (Scott Tai) writes:

> roger@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:
> 
> > Now, once again, where't the implication?  Use Mensa documents and other
> > information about ACTUAL Mensa practices (not the ones YOU've assumed,
> > implied, inferred, or fantasized about) to demonstrate your point.
> 
> Where is MENSA documentation available?
> 
> ---------
> Scott Tai

Duh!!!!  Try calling Mensa in New York and asking them????


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From: Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: And the score is.....
Date: 9 Apr 92 04:14:59 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/207.1 - Sunnyvale Fido Conn, Sunnyvale CA


David O Hunt writes about "Re: And the score is....." to All  [08 Apr 92 14:59]

>In 3rd place, with 11 postings, is David O'Hunt.
DOH>  Gee - I'm IRISH???? :P 
DOH> That's David O. (period) Hunt 

I can imagine that you'd be very concerned about that, Dave.  A missed period
is no laughing matter.
 
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From: Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Some hard questions (was: Books that last)
Date: 17 Apr 92 06:20:46 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/207.1 - Sunnyvale Fido Conn, Sunnyvale CA


Jean L. Cooper writes about "Re: Some hard questions (was: Books that last)"
to All  [16 Apr 92 10:27]

JLC> WHY should we allow publishers to determine what should be transferred

JLC> to electronic formats? In essense, this allows them to determine 
JLC> what will be preserved and what future generations will read. 
JLC> The items that publishers chose will likely be "popular" items 
JLC> that sell, rather than useful items that don't sell. Is that 
JLC> how we really want to preserve our cultural heritage?

What about useful items that are popular and sell? :-)
 
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From: jc@sppip7.lkg.dec.com (John Chambers)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Fermat's flunkeys (was Re: A Real Challenge)
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:55:32 GMT
Reply-To: jc@sppip7.lkg.dec.com (John Chambers)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

| In article <2168.29E58EEF@kennel.FIDONET.ORG>, Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Steiner) writes:
| > Path: nntpd.lkg.dec.com!pa.dec.com!decwrl!mips!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!charon.amdahl.com!amdahl!kennel!p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Mike.Steiner
| > 
| > DA> The second, methinks. <sigh>  Not so much the schools themselves, 
| > DA> but the low standards they let students get away with meeting. It 
| > DA> is a  national DISGRACE that we have illiterates with high-school 
| > DA> diplomas....
| > 
| > When I was taking some courses in a community college in SE Aridzona
| > three  or  four  years  ago, one of my classmates was a tutor in the
| > learning lab.  She told me that some of the students admitted to the
| > school  (They  admitted  anyone  with a HS diploma or anyone over 21
| > years old.) with HS diplomas read at the second-grade level.  One of
| > the requirments to get an AA from that institution was to be able to
| > read at the 11th-grade level.  I still can't understand how they can
| > have an 11th-grade reading requirement to get a 14th-grade diploma

It's even worse than you suspect.  A personal anecdote may suffice.

Some years back, I had the fun of being the manager of a  minicomputer
lab owned by a couple of departments (that shall go unnamed to protect
the turkeys ;-) at a major university (which shall also  go  unnamed).
On  many occasions, the lab's users (mostly the grad students) came to
me with one of the most common complaints  of  computer  users:   They
couldn't get something to work, and the manual didn't make sense.

Now this is certainly not an amazing situation,  but  in  many  cases,
when  I read the manual entry, it made perfect sense to me.  One day I
got suspicious and tried a simple  experiment:   I  read  the  passage
aloud.   The  student  then understood it.  Furthermore, he/she didn't
realize that I had simply read the passage aloud.

It occurred to me that this student was  illiterate.   Being  able  to
sound  out  the words doesn't make you literate.  If you can mouth the
words, but can't extract the meaning,  then  you  are  a  "functional"
illiterate.  That was exactly this student's problem.

After that day, I tried the same "experiment" on many  more  students,
and I repeatedly got the same results. Eventually the news got through
to me: Most of the grad students here are functional illiterates. They
can't  extract  the  meaning  of English text, yet they understand the
same text when someone reads it aloud to them.

Try this yourself if you are ever in a similar situation.  The results
may impress you.  Or they may depress you.
From: tordm@vana (Tord Malmgren)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: A REAL CHALLENGE: Fermat's last theorem..
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:33:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: kth.1992Apr9.193319.11115
Reply-To: tordm@vana
Organization: Dept. of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden

In article <1992Apr6.031114.17308@Princeton.EDU>, roger@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:

>>There was a little note added to the theorem:

>>" and I've found a really neat way of proving this "
>>or at least, something to that effect.

>"I have found a truly remarkable proof for this theorem, but there is no
>space to write it here."  (This was in the margin of a book.) 

 didn't he write it in French? so, the true essence of his note in
the margin is lost through translation to English, or is the stated
note (in English) the accepted version?? In Swedish it says it's
a "wonderful" proof...





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From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: everything in moderation, including moderation
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 20:58:50 -0500

kenn@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Kenn Frankel) writes:

 KF> I was hoping that this newsgroup was a chance for mensans to interact
 KF> electronically.  I would like to see this newsgroup moderated to quiet
 KF> up the whiners.  How can we go about starting moderation?

 Shirley you jest!  Not only would it be contrary to the general spirit
 of open communication, but it would also probably slow down the
 conversations to a point that I for one would find unacceptable.

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