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From: gmh@cloud.awd.cdc.com (Gregory M. Heideman)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Beer (Was: Re: Our daily philosophy question)
Keywords: beer
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:57:39 GMT
Organization: Automated Wagering Intl.

In article <1992Oct6.134545.9767@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> horn@tegan.jsc.nasa.gov
(Mark Horn) writes:

[ ..a bunch of stuff about buying/not buying beer deleted.. ]


Beer, root beer, Mountain Dew, mineral water, who cares??!!  Soft drinks work
well between loads on a sunday afternoon.  Beer is nice on a saturday night
around the campfire.  I partake in both.  I think the important thing is
someone bucks up and buys their case (of whatever they want) when they owe
one!  A person usually knows when this is.  Sounds like Mark follows the
tradition just like everyone should!

Come up and make some jumps in Baldwin, WI and I'll drink you're root beer!

-Greg
gmh@awd.cdc.com
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From: eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: Setting DYTTERS
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 22:43:51 GMT

In article <lcmnkpINNgua@peaches.cs.utexas.edu> bunda@cs.utexas.edu (John Bunda) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.190220.2139@leland.Stanford.EDU> eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>>>	YES, get a Dytter but DON'T set it at your normal pull altitude,
>>>	set it lower so if you haven't pulled yet and you hear it
>>>	go off, you know you're BLOWING IT!  
>>
>>I was thinking of setting my DYTTER for "reserve time". IE: When an
>>AAD would fire (A cypres, maybe).  I would set it at 900ft, to
>
>I think I disagree with both of these strategies.  After spending
>almost $200 for the thing, I want it to work for me and give me useful
>information on every jump, and during freefall, not when I should be
>under canopy.  If it's going off then, first of all, it's too loud,
>and second, it's not giving me useful information during the most
>common situation - everything goes right.  Plus, it's not like they
>are absolutely reliable.  Setting it to elicit a panic reaction if it
>goes off in freefall is a recipe for disaster - if it goes off high
>for some reason (like the load after you loaned it to someone who
>reset it).  I like to have mine go off high enough that I know I have
>time to verify the altitude; the trouble with this for some people is
>it can screw up their concentration.
>
>If have a spare $200 for a Dytter to give you useful information
>solely in the event of a malfunction that you are tempted to ride for
>too long, well, that's great.  But if you are that worried that you'll
>screw up in this way, maybe an AAD would be a better investment.  I
>like the idea of a 900 foot warning though; maybe a dual-tone dytter,
>with one tone to mean wrap up the skydive, and another one to mean
>pull your reserve.  This wouldn't be hard to do with Cypress
>technology, but Dytters and Microhawks are probably too crude to
>support this.
>

I first set my DYTTER at about 3500 or 3000 to remind me that it's 
time to stop RW.  I soon found this was asking for trouble when I
started to depend on it.  I quickly moved my set point to 2 grand,
as a "hey you idiot, get that damn main out" reminder, in the event
that I'm distracted (like by trying to avoid another jumper, or
trying to track out of the area of an open canopy of some jerk
that went low and dumped). Now I'm thinking that it might be better
as a "lower" warning. I feel I have good altitude awareness (at 
least reasonable) in these situations, but not nearly enough
altitude awareness when I'm in deployment. Sometimes my cheststrap
twists on opening and I can't even see my altimeter. 

I agree a two-tone DYTTER would be better.

-Eric
From: Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Malfunction Rate Poll (was: RE: number of jumps)
Date: 7 Oct 92 04:45:12 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

In article <BvpzJK.8HI@virtech.uucp> mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith)
writes:

>Markus Tessmann (tessmann@cs.ubc.ca) wrote:
>: These span over 10 years with most of the tangled lines coming from older
>: canopies (strato star and old 7 cells) using packing methods including
>: free-packing (no bag or line stows!),  or just no line stows.
>
>A fella I used to know jumped one of these.  I believe it's nickname
>was the "coil of death."

     Someone we knew bounced from this.  The lines got tangled
around one of the container flaps and the resulting horseshoe
ate the reserve.  Everyone stopped free-stowing after that.

Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca
"I'm cursed with hair from HELL!"  -- Night Court

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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu ()
Subject: Re: DZ altitude
Organization: University of Denver
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 00:31:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.064640.10240@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs) writes:
>In article <SHIBUYA.92Oct5192458@chute.mailhost.bl.cad.slb.com>
>  shibuya@mailhost.bl.cad.slb.com writes:
>>I just learned today that Eloy is like 2,500 ASL.
>>...
>>Also, are there any other major famous DZ any higher than Eloy?
>
>Gee, Tim.  I dunno about you, but I've always thought of Eloy as quite
>*low*.  Wow!  Look how much air there is down here -- you can plane out
>forever!  I guess I'll agree with Hiroto that Belen and Loveland do not
>constitute "major famous DZs".  We're at 5200 MSL in Belen.  How high is
>Loveland?  For that matter, which netter can take the prize for highest
>home DZ?  (A dubious honor at best.  Given the choice, I'll take sea level!
>;)

Skydive Colorado is 5,018' AGL. I've seen jumpers my size - 150 lbs.- jump
107 Sabres here. One bounced pretty hard after a botched surf (Troy Widgery).
But, they are landable here. When I was at Lost Prairie I landed really hard
everytime, at some 3,300 or so feet.
I'll take some humidity with the lack of altitude, please. ;-)

>BSBD!

No, it's BSBCP!

>-- 
>| Daniel Briggs  (dbriggs@nrao.edu)                      |        USPA B-14993

TIm
From: moret@disuns2.epfl.ch (Pierre Moret)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Number of jumps
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:21:31 GMT
Reply-To: moret@disuns2.epfl.ch (Pierre Moret)
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

In article <7120@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com> yzarn@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Philip Yzarn de Louraille) writes:
>		rounds					squares
>	#jumps		#mal			#jumps		#mal

Pierre    45             0                      1200             0



--Pierre     moret@di.epfl.ch
From: bonitz@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Bob Bonitz)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: front mounts, was Re: Accident in North Carolina
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:40:18 GMT
Organization: UC Davis  Robotics Research Lab

In article <690@zds-ux.UUCP> ryoder@zds-ux.UUCP (Robert Yoder) writes:
>
>One other note about the Strato-Star;  It was marketed during the time
>when the mind-set was "one-size-fits-all".  Prior to its' introduction,
>all squares were mostly 200-230 sq. ft., and the only decision a canopy 
>buyer made was "which brand?", because there was no such thing as different
>sizes.  When the Strato-Star came out EVERYBODY jumped it, 90 lb. girls
>and 200 lb. guys.  The reputation for hard landings came from that portion
>of the population weighing 160+ lbs.  The Strato-Star is fine for people
>weighing less than 150 lbs.
>

My recollection is that there weren't too many squares being jumped at all
(at least among relative workers) until the Strato-Star came out.  It was 
the first canopy with a reasonable reefing system - rope and rings.  Many
people thought the malfunction rate too high with rope and rings, which 
slowed down the Strato-Star's acceptance.  With the advent of the slider,
however, its popularity surged.  I jumped one for awhile, but moved up to
its 7-cell brother, the Strato-Cloud, which gave me much better landings.

And talk about durable.  I sold it after putting 800 jumps on it and it was
still in great shape and was jumped for years by its susequent owner.
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From: psaarela@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: Number of jumps
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:21:27 GMT

>		rounds					squares
>	#jumps		#mal			#jumps		#mal
>
Pete         0             0                      1300             0

        Pete Saarela
        
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From: esj@viper.eng.ufl.edu (Eric S. Johnson)
Subject: Re: Big Blue Skies
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 18:02:57 GMT


>In this weeks Communications Week, IBM has a two page add introducing
>IBM LAN Systems. In large print, they claim:

>A lot can depend on how you're hooked up.

Hahaha. We all know OS/2 is always pulling low, and will eventually go in. ;-)


Ej

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From: jvilhube@diana.cair.du.edu (Jan Vilhuber)
Subject: Parachutist
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 05:24:33 GMT

Just two thoughts on this month's issue of Parachutist:
One: Congrats Art for your Gold Wings and 12-Hour..

Two: Was reading the advertisement for Dytter. It seems they introduced
	a new feature: an LED that blinks when the alarm goes off. 
	Now correct me if I'm wrong (I don't own a dytter), but most
	people wouldn't mount the thing somewhere in from of they're face,
	would they? I mean, unless they ship fiberoptical cable with it, to route
	the light close to the eye, a blinding flash of light or something...
	*I* don't think so!
	What the hell good would an LED do?!

	Late
-- 
 Jan Vilhuber            | Internet: jvilhube@du.edu or jvilhube@[130.253.1.4]
 (The skydivin' Bass)      | Bitnet  : jvilhube@DUCAIR
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From: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jim Beutel)
Subject: skydive.gif files
Reply-To: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS ASIC, Chandler, AZ
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:55:20 GMT

Hey,
Has any one out there ever seen a digitized picture
of a parachute, skydiver, RW group...? We use a 
great deal of Xterminal, windows based graphics.
Sure would be a kick to run the xvroot background
window as an open chute or group door exit or some-
thing appropriate. You openlook, or SunView users 
know what I mean. 

Thanks.
Jim
Keywords: 




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From: eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: Parachutist
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 18:59:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.052433.6064@mercury.cair.du.edu> jvilhube@diana.cair.du.edu (Jan Vilhuber) writes:
>Just two thoughts on this month's issue of Parachutist:
>One: Congrats Art for your Gold Wings and 12-Hour..
>
>Two: Was reading the advertisement for Dytter. It seems they introduced
>	a new feature: an LED that blinks when the alarm goes off. 
>	Now correct me if I'm wrong (I don't own a dytter), but most
>	people wouldn't mount the thing somewhere in from of they're face,
>	would they? I mean, unless they ship fiberoptical cable with it, to route
>	the light close to the eye, a blinding flash of light or something...
>	*I* don't think so!
>	What the hell good would an LED do?!
>

I think the LED is for cameramen to put in their sight.. No?
From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Falling (was 7th floor drop)
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:52:56 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: romulus!cd.amdahl.com!drp40

 r> have your rig with you, but every passenger got sucked 
 r> out of the plane!  Everyone
 r> would be freaking out, flailing around in the air, but 
 r> any one of us would be in
 r> a perfect arch, getting in those last 3 minutes of 
 r> freefall!  

Absolutely.  Why waste it!

 r> I can just picture myself, rig on back, watching a 
 r> burning 727 plummet toward the Earth...

Me too.  These kind of thoughts are natural I think.  And I always carry my rig on and put it under the seat.  But I wonder if it would actually do any good there.  As you say, it would be a rare kind of accident that allowed you to don the rig and then jump.  The 300-400 mph exit speed would make it hard to hold onto it too, so putting it on while falling isn't really a realistic option.

But, ya never know...

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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Our daily philosophy question
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:51:34 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: romulus!zephyr.cair.du.edu!tjreynol

>(Incidentally, I think the "first anything" rule is the primary cause of
>people not buying for the really significant occasions.  We get so
>inured to shouts of "case of beer" that our beer buying reflexes get
>dulled in those cases where it's truly appropriate.  But that's a musing
>for another posting.)

 r> I fully agree. Notice how some people never ever buy beer at all?

Yep.  I'm one of those.  Primarily because I don't drink.  I have on occasion bought beer for truly outstanding 'firsts' (especially 'community firsts' like SCS dives), and sometimes sodas for those others like myself who feel the gross unfairness in the beer rules.

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From: yzarn@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Philip Yzarn de Louraille)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Parachutist
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:54:07 GMT
Organization: Chevron Oil Field Research, La Habra, CA.

In article <1992Oct6.150540.13191@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> horn@tegan.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Horn) writes:

... deleted stuff ...

>I suspect that USPA is not happy with the fact that they don't have any power
>to enforce their rules on Mike and Charlie.  And so they have decided to 
>black ball them.  While I have a great deal of respect for a lot of what USPA
>has accomplished, I don't respect their journalism.  Through Parachutist they
>have the power to convey many opinions as facts, and it's surprising how often
>they actually do this.

I could not agree with you more! For a different side, people should get
the Skydiving magazine.


-- 
  Philip Yzarn de Louraille                 Internet: yzarn@chevron.com
  Research Support Division                 Unix & Open Systems
  Chevron Information & Technology Co.      Tel: (310) 694-9232
  P.O. Box 446, La Habra, CA 90633-0446     Fax: (310) 694-7709
From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: need bungi Chord
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:11:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: ehsnet.1114.2ACD24E6

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: romulus!eos.ncsu.edu!elada

 r> P.s.  I saw cargo parachutes in a mil. surplus store the 
 r> other day for $34.  
 r> Would it B a good idea to jump off of something tall 
 r> with these?  

NO!

Do not even think of this.  These parachutes would never open in time.

 r> How would I have to modify for personal use?

First off, you would have to put lines on them.  Not a trivial task.  And only a rigger should do it.

 r> Thank U, Thak U

You're entirely welcome.  That is, if you live long enough to read this message.


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From: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jim Beutel)
Subject: Re: Skydiving Marana
Reply-To: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS ASIC, Chandler, AZ
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:27:10 GMT

>
>Wow, these prices are high.  At Veedersburg IN. (Illiana Skydivers) the costs
>are much lower.  For example:
>
> rsmc> -+- eecp 1.45 LM2
> rsmc>  + Origin: Cloud Chamber >>HST<< 1-217-684-2081  (1:
>
> * Origin: The Workshop BBS (217-352-6168) - <V32b/HST> (FidoNet 1:233/22)
>--  
>SKYDIVE - via FidoNet node 1:233/13
>internet: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.FIDONET.ORG
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I dont really think there is that much difference in price when it comes down to it. Let's face it, would
it actually stop us from jumping if the price was 5 or
10 bucks higher...? I think not. 

Besides, I grew up in Illinois. I would gladly spend 
a great deal of more money to be jumping in the west.
Especially Arizona.....! 
Keywords:
From: shibuya@mailhost.bl.cad.slb.com (Hiroto Shibuya)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: You're dead -- unless you pull (was Re: Tiny Broadwick
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:06:13 GMT
	<7120@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com>
Reply-To: shibuya@mailhost.bl.cad.slb.com
Organization: Applicon; Billerica, MA (USA)

Ok, just for kicks.

#jumps 800
#mal	1

Direct cause: 	Line twist
Indirect cause:	
	Old used canopy with snibbling opening.  Made me
	develop a habit of dumping as tracking without flare.
	On this particular jump it happened to open fast, result
	in wicked line twist.  Canopy was turning in the direction 
	to twist more, faster than I could kick out.
Solution of problem:
	Brand new Sabre

					Hiroto Shibuya
			
					Applicon Inc.
					Billerica, MA
					U.S.A.
	
Olaf, I'm waiting...
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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: need bungi Chord
Keywords: bungii, fun
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 02:22:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.205540.18841@ncsu.edu> elada@eos.ncsu.edu (ERIC  LADA) writes:
>	Does anyone know where I can get a lot of Bungii chord to make my own 
>Bungii jump.  Also does anyone know any ideas for safety precautions I should 
>follow when Bungi-jumping.

I bid you good luck.

>----
>P.s.  I saw cargo parachutes in a mil. surplus store the other day for $34.  
>Would it B a good idea to jump off of something tall with these?  How would I 
>have to modify for personal use?

I might use one as a cushion to jump from something tall like my porch.
I might modify one while working through Poynter's Rigging Course. You know,
get under a sewing machine to learn how to sew, patch, etc.

>Thank U, Thak U

If you're serious, I'd like to know how your adventures work out ;-)

Tim
From: andy@cse.ucsc.edu (Andy John)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: High birds?
Date: 5 Oct 1992 04:25:27 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
NNTP-Posting-Host: arapaho.ucsc.edu

  Someone said they thought they hiyt a bird at 3500 feet... what you a
  bird be doing flying that high? I mean it seems like a waste of
  energy. Anyone up on bird behavior? Do they really fly that high?

  Andy


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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu ()
Subject: Re: Parachutist
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 00:52:18 GMT

In article <BvpDp1.H6D@virtech.uucp> mark@vti.com writes:
>
>The articles you read from Parachutist magazine are moderately to
>heavily edited.  I have had friends submit articles, which were
>accepted, and were surprised to see their name on an article that
>only resembles what they wrote.

They edited my letter signifigantly  - for the better, I should add.

I have another in mind, I may or may not write it..
Someone's got to.

>-- 
>      /_\   Virtual                  Mark Smith          USPA D-13761
>    /-~_  \    Technologies          mark@vti.com
>  /      ~-_\     Incorporated       703-430-9247,   FAX 703-450-4560
>/_____________\      46030 Manekin Plaza, Suite 160, Dulles, VA 20166

Tim
From: drf40@cd.amdahl.com (Daryl Fortney)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Tevas
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:02:13 GMT
Reply-To: drf40@cd.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale, CA


	Is it just me, or do your feet smell like hell too, after jumping in
Tevas all day?  God they stink!  I was kicked out of manifest for my
smelliness last weekend.  Any suggestions on relieving foot odor?
	-df

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From: bob@pta.pyramid.com.au (Robert Vernon)
Subject: Re: Number of jumps
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Sydney
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 06:38:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.132150.23347@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> horn@tegan.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Horn) writes:
>
>I guess you don't count CRW wraps as malfunctions, right?  So what are we
>counting here:  reserve rides or malfunctions?  I think it would be much 
>easier to count reserve rides.  It's easier to define when you've had one.
>For example, do you count a lost throw-out as a malfunction?  Why, the gear
>didn't fail - the user did.  Personally, I wouldn't count that as a
>malfunction.  So I suggest that we start counting reserve rides and not
>malfunctions - simply because it's easier to define the former than the latter.
>Hey, Philip, you started this.  What were you intending?
>
>Anyway, no reserve rides after 50 CRW jumps?  Now THAT is saying something!

Definitely count it as reserve rides not strict malfunctions.  (I
did).  Or else give both figures (so we can all start reposting all
these figures again - NOT!).

Take my 2 for example.  One was a wrap.  Perfectly good opening, but I
deliberately made it tie knots around someone elses legs.  So not
really a mal even though we both ended up on reserves.  Good enough
for the incident book though.

The other one wasn't a mal either.  The pilot chute just decided to get
stuck in the slider.  I know I could have pumped that slider down, if I
just kept at it longer.



Bob V!

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