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From: ernesto@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Teodoro E. Gelabert)
Subject: Piercing in NJ
Summary: Nipple piercing
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:20:44 GMT

Hi, I just found this group and have found it to be very informative.
While I am deciding on a design for a tat I was wondering if anyone knew
of good tat artists and nipple piercers in the central Jersey area?  Do
I need to go to Philly or NYC to find a good professional?
  Thanks in advance,
  Teddy

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From: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny)
Subject: GIFS: piercing, muties, tats
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 10:19:42 GMT

I'm looking for body piercing, mutilations, tattoos and all things in
between in GIF or JPG format.  I'm compiling them to use as visuals for
some upcoming raves here.  I'll be cycling them through Fractint17.2 to
get the distortion and psychedelisciousness.
 
Please point me or email your own gifs to me.  
 
Thanks.
...e

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From: bbs.texx@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Tejas Wood)
Subject: cleansing
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:42:18 GMT

why did they tell me not to use peroxide on my ear piercings?
-texx

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From: morin@noao.edu (Marg Morin)
Subject: Re: Can U swim w/new nose pierce?...
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson AZ
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:22:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov2.203058.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> bcorkum@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>My girlfriend and I both pierced our noses this weekend.  (I already posted my
>little story.)  She goes swimming everyday.  Should she continue to swim with
>a new pierce?  I heard somewhere that you shouldn't until it heals.
>
>-- 
>BCorkum@hamp.hampshire.edu

I'm no expert, but I've a lot of swimming before and after piercings. It
seems to me that, if the swimming is done in a chlorinated pool 
(from you're reference it appears you're in New England ... I guess it's
too cold to swim outdoors), the chlorine would probably help to cleanse
and heal the pierced site. Personally, I always feel like I've been
dipped in antisceptic after a swim in a public pool, like at school.

Swimming in open water would probably not be recommendable.

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From: jpage@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: BODY POLICE ON THE NET!!LOOK OUT!
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:06:57 GMT
Organization: Hampshire College

In article <1992Nov10.222708.4293@mercury.cair.du.edu>, tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (five left and cut!) writes:
> In article <1992Nov10.140924.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jpage@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
> [etc. deleted, since we've memorized it already]
> 
>>Lets kick his fucking ass!  he has no fucking right to judge people on
>>what they choose to do to their bodies.
> 
> And we have the right to kick his fucking ass? Grow up.
> 
> 

yes, i DO think we have the right to kick his fucking ass....because
he's harrassing,bullying and condesending to say the least, which
i think is intolerable.  and, just for your information, to "kick someone's
ass" is a phrase, honey, not to be taken literally.  it means that
we should not tolerate his shit. boy, i feel so bad for those who
get so upset over little things like phrases "kicking ass"...*sigh*
From: jpage@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: BODY POLICE ON THE NET!!LOOK OUT!
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:09:24 GMT
Organization: Hampshire College

In article <1992Nov10.170451.28414@u.washington.edu>, jtroxel@carson.u.washington.edu (Joseph Troxel) writes:
> In article <1992Nov10.110823.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> bcorkum@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>>Hello, I'm here to bitch about an e-mail someone sent me.  My reason for 
>>posting this is because I think it comes from someone who is a real asshole 
>>and I want to know if he has sent anyone else an e-mail that was as offending
>>and condescending.
>>
>>Here it is -
>>
>>>Subject:  Don't wear a nose ring.
>>
>>>Men don't like that kind of thing Beth.
>>>Besides, You couldn't get a job with one of those and
>>>maybe some day you are going to regret it when some nice guy
>>>rejects you because you have an earing on your nose.
>>>It is not an "In" thing to do.  Let your nose heal itself,
>>>and think about other peoples reactions before you try
>>>something like that again.
>>>                     ----Joe
>>>p.s The pain you were experiencing on the side of your face was
>>>the platorax nerve which was being damaged while you were augoring
>>>a hole into the side of your face.  It was trying to say "Stop, Your
>>>Hurting MEE!!,  I have had enough of the destruction to the beuty of your own
>>>Face!!"
>>
>>WHO THE FUCK IS THIS GUY!!!  WHAT THE HELL IS HE READING THE BODY ART NET FOR
>>IF HE DOESN'T LIKE WHAT PEOPLE CHOOSE TO DO TO THEIR OWN BODY!!!!-
>>
>>I'M QUEER AND A WOMAN AND I WILL DO WHAT I WANT TO MY BODY!!!
>>
>>I DON'T WANT TO BE WITH ANYBODY WHO IS GOING TO,"reject me", MALE OR FEMALE!!!
>>
>>JOE- IF YOU READ THIS; I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK I SHOULD DO 
>>OR NOT DO WITH MY ON BODY!!!  AND ANOTHER THING, I THINK I'M BEAUTIFUL AND
>>YOU ARE NO JUDGE OF WHAT IS BEAUTIFUL ABOUT ME, SO FUCK YOU!!!
>>- 
>>BCorkum@hamp.hampshire.edu
>>The stylin' chick with an attitude. I'm studying video/LBGS/Women's stu.
>>"Honey there's plastic in the bed." - Heather
>>"I just might die with a smile on my face afterall." - Morrissey
>>"I've got more than one membership to more than one club." - Ani Difrancoz
> 
> 
 
> How about if you send him e-mail and don't scream at the rest of us?

Why NOT?????She has every right to express her    
anger at someone who wrote an offensive response to one of her postings.
Furthermore, harrassment of other people's opinions and actions should
not be tolerated, ...especially on a newsnet that is geared for a particualr
audience.  Why not alert the rest of the net that there is some asshole
responding rudely to what people are writing on the net?
Lets kick his fucking ass!  he has no fucking right to judge people on
what they choose to do to their bodies.
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From: kfseefel@mtu.edu (KURT F. SEEFELDT)
Subject: Re: Henna staining
Keywords: henna, hand staining
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:43:15 GMT

In article <BxF9B4.6DK@nic.umass.edu> s4349339@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Sarah Fox Jahn) writes:
>Hi!
>
>I noticed a little while back someone posted some info about henna... 
>That is, using the herb to stain a week-long-lasting design on the 
>hands. Unfortunately, I did not save it at the time, and can't go 
>backwards once I've seen articles here :( So whoever posted it, could 
>you please e-mail me the substance of your post? (buying, preparing, 
>using the herb)
>
>Many thanks, 
>Sarah Jahn 
>
>e-mail: s4349339@titan.ucc.umass.edu

Could you re-post it as I'm sure it would be appreciated by many.

- kurt <kfseefel@mtu.edu>
From: graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (JIM GRAHAM)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Unique earring, other questions
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:47:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.BxMnsL.3wn
Reply-To: graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu
Distribution: world
Organization: Somewhere in Bloomington, Indiana
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

I've had one of my ears pierced for a little over 3 years, and I'm thinking
of doing something "new".

For one, I'd like to pierce the same ear a second time, but I'm not sure
how I want to "adorn" it.

One idea I've had is to find a couple of very dainty earrings, one a moon
and the other a star (I know, hardly original), and put both in the same
ear.

The other is to find a couple of earrings that are connected with a very
small chain.  I know these exist, but I've never seen any at any jewelry
stores.

Are there any mail-order firms that handle multiple earring sets or those
that are connected (heck, just plain wierd will do)?

I'm also contemplating having my right nipple pierced (I actually had
pierced both nipples about 3 years ago, but the left one never would
completely heal).  My SO eventually caught her ring on it while we were
sleeping and ripped it out.  OUCH!  From that point on, I removed both
nipple rings out of fear, but I have since regained my...er...courage.

So, either I'll have to again do it myself (and boy did it take a long
time the first time around), or I'll find someone locally.

I know this is grasping straws, but I have to ask....

Does anyone know of anybody in the Bloomington, Indiana (Bobby Knight,
Indiana University and all of that) area that performs piercings?

Thanks,

Jim Graham 

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From: dewerk@yosemite.csufresno.edu (<< Dragon >>)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: BODY ART POLICE!!!
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:35:27 GMT
Organization: California State University, Fresno

> Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
> Subject: BODY POLICE ON THE NET!!LOOK OUT!
> Message-ID: <1992Nov10.110823.1@hamp.hampshire.edu>
> From: bcorkum@hamp.hampshire.edu
> Date: 10 Nov 92 15:08:23 GMT

[... deleted text ...]

> >Subject:  Don't wear a nose ring.
> 
> >Men don't like that kind of thing Beth.
> >Besides, You couldn't get a job with one of those and
> >maybe some day you are going to regret it when some nice guy
> >rejects you because you have an earing on your nose.
> >It is not an "In" thing to do.  Let your nose heal itself,
> >and think about other peoples reactions before you try
> >something like that again.
> >                     ----Joe

get real...  there are plenty of men (and woman) who like it...  i have
seen many people who didn't look good with a nose ring...  but at the same
time i have also seen many that look great with one...  if you don't like
it that's your business...  but don't get on someone else for something
YOU don't like...  if they like it that's up to them...  if i listened to
everyone that told me "no it won't look good on you" i wouldn't be wearing
an earring right now...  i think it looks good on me...  and i
have friends that have said it doesn't and some that agree it does look
good on me...  but in the end it's MY choice...  and the women i date
don't care if i wear one or not...  they agree it's MY choice...  so if
she wants an earring in her nose...  and you don't like it... then LEAVE
HER ALONE!!!

[... deleted text ...]

> WHO THE FUCK IS THIS GUY!!!  WHAT THE HELL IS HE READING THE BODY ART NET FOR
> IF HE DOESN'T LIKE WHAT PEOPLE CHOOSE TO DO TO THEIR OWN BODY!!!!-

agreed...

> I'M QUEER AND A WOMAN AND I WILL DO WHAT I WANT TO MY BODY!!!

bravo!

> I DON'T WANT TO BE WITH ANYBODY WHO IS GOING TO,"reject me", MALE OR FEMALE!!!

<smile>  exactly...

> JOE- IF YOU READ THIS; I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK I SHOULD DO 
> OR NOT DO WITH MY ON BODY!!!  AND ANOTHER THING, I THINK I'M BEAUTIFUL AND
> YOU ARE NO JUDGE OF WHAT IS BEAUTIFUL ABOUT ME, SO FUCK YOU!!!

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From: rob@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Rob Vaughn,302 Thurston Hall,50637,2730428)
Subject: Re: should niobium rings fade?
Originator: rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:51:20 GMT

Beano asks:

> i have a niobium ring that used to be purple that has faded into
> a silverish metal color.  should niobium be doing this?  none of
> my other niobium jewelry has faded at ALL.  the ring's been worn
> constantly for almost 2 years.  

My understanding is that the process that changes the color of the
niobium from its normal "silverish metal color" only effects a very
thin layer of the metal itself.  Continual rubbing, over zealous
cleaning, certain types of cleansing agents, etc. can all wear this
layer down until one ends up with a plain old ring.

I would imagine that the ring has seen a lot of use or was faulty when
manufactured.  The color can be restored by using the same process that gave
it the original color, which I can't imagine is cheap.

Rob

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From: jpage@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: address for Gauntlet?
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:56:11 GMT

i ve heard so much about the Gauntlet on the net that i would love
to see the catalog....(is it mail order?)
what is the address/phone number?  
-jen
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From: jburney@seamis1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jeff Burney)
Subject: Re: advice for nose piercing (first time)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:49:02 GMT

Jack.Smoke@launchpad.unc.edu (Jack Smoke) writes:

>In article <MUMBLE>jpage@hamp.hampshire.edu writes: >
>>cann i get the piercing stud at an earring store?
>>is it better to do it yourself or have someone else do it
>>any adivce fromm those  who successfully pierce their nose?

>First, I would suggest NOT using a regular stud.  If you put the back
>on, it can be too tigt, hard to clean, and a host of other problems.
>If you don't put the back on, you run the risk of loosing the stud.

>Use a proper piercing needle.  Again, these are available from Gauntlet.
>If you're stoic, you could probably do it yourself, but it's a lot
>easier to get a friend to do it.

My knowledge of nose piercing is from my girlfiend so...
You can use a regular stud but don't use the back, just bend the post
90 degrees at the depth of the pierce.  She hasn't lost one yet (2 years).

Personally, I can't disagree with using the proper piercing needle but
a pin will work.  And it is definitely a tough place to pierce, find
a friend who isn't squeemish and make a ritual out of it.  We did my
ear this way, and now I would have it any other way.



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From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: BODY POLICE ON THE NET!!LOOK OUT!
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:58:20 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Nov10.200657.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jpage@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>yes, i DO think we have the right to kick his fucking ass....because
>he's harrassing,bullying and condesending to say the least, which
>i think is intolerable.  

He's just rude, and kinda stupid on the side.  You want everyone going 
around kicking ass on everybody they think is rude?  That's where we get 
religious bigotry and homophobia from, "honey".

>it means that
>we should not tolerate his shit. 

read: we should be intolerant.

>boy, i feel so bad for those who
>get so upset over little things like phrases "kicking ass"...*sigh*

Welcome to the net.  There's all kinds out there.



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From: jtroxel@carson.u.washington.edu (Joseph Troxel)
Subject: Re: BODY POLICE ON THE NET!!LOOK OUT!
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:04:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.110823.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> bcorkum@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>Hello, I'm here to bitch about an e-mail someone sent me.  My reason for 
>posting this is because I think it comes from someone who is a real asshole 
>and I want to know if he has sent anyone else an e-mail that was as offending
>and condescending.
>
>Here it is -
>
>>Subject:  Don't wear a nose ring.
>
>>Men don't like that kind of thing Beth.
>>Besides, You couldn't get a job with one of those and
>>maybe some day you are going to regret it when some nice guy
>>rejects you because you have an earing on your nose.
>>It is not an "In" thing to do.  Let your nose heal itself,
>>and think about other peoples reactions before you try
>>something like that again.
>>                     ----Joe
>>p.s The pain you were experiencing on the side of your face was
>>the platorax nerve which was being damaged while you were augoring
>>a hole into the side of your face.  It was trying to say "Stop, Your
>>Hurting MEE!!,  I have had enough of the destruction to the beuty of your own
>>Face!!"
>
>WHO THE FUCK IS THIS GUY!!!  WHAT THE HELL IS HE READING THE BODY ART NET FOR
>IF HE DOESN'T LIKE WHAT PEOPLE CHOOSE TO DO TO THEIR OWN BODY!!!!-
>
>I'M QUEER AND A WOMAN AND I WILL DO WHAT I WANT TO MY BODY!!!
>
>I DON'T WANT TO BE WITH ANYBODY WHO IS GOING TO,"reject me", MALE OR FEMALE!!!
>
>JOE- IF YOU READ THIS; I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK I SHOULD DO 
>OR NOT DO WITH MY ON BODY!!!  AND ANOTHER THING, I THINK I'M BEAUTIFUL AND
>YOU ARE NO JUDGE OF WHAT IS BEAUTIFUL ABOUT ME, SO FUCK YOU!!!
>- 
>BCorkum@hamp.hampshire.edu
>The stylin' chick with an attitude. I'm studying video/LBGS/Women's stu.
>"Honey there's plastic in the bed." - Heather
>"I just might die with a smile on my face afterall." - Morrissey
>"I've got more than one membership to more than one club." - Ani Difrancoz


How about if you send him e-mail and don't scream at the rest of us?
From: strickej@ucs.orst.edu (Jesse Stricker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Advice on a navel piercing
Date: 12 Nov 92 08:47:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxLHqM.1LD
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU


	After much thought on the matter, I've decided that I really do want to
pierce my navel.  It's my first piercing, and I know that it may not be the
easiest, but it's the one I want.  I'm going to get it done in Portland at 
Attitudes -- I've heard nothing but good things about Ahna, the piercer there.

	I'm looking for information and/or personal stories relating to this
pierce.  What kind of jewelery will it take? (I'm thinking of a thin bead ring
until it heals, and then putting in a little barbell)  How long will it take to
heal?  Anything I should know about cleaning that doesn't apply to any pierce?
Does it get in the way of day-to-day living?  I'm a fairly active person -- 
sports, etc.  I'd rather not have anything ripped out if I can avoid it.

	Any people that have done this?  I'd appreciate hearing your experience.
Thanks much in advance.  I'm not doing this until Christmas, so there's no real
rush.

	Thanks, Jesse
-- 
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From: quilty@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Humberto Humbertoldi)
Subject: Re: BODY POLICE ON THE NET!!LOOK OUT!
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:35:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.110823.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> bcorkum@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>Hello, I'm here to bitch about an e-mail someone sent me.  My reason for 
>posting this is because I think it comes from someone who is a real asshole 
>and I want to know if he has sent anyone else an e-mail that was as offending
>and condescending.
>>   .......[condescending email message to bcorkum deleted].....
>>                     ----Joe

>-  ..... [bcorkum bitches about it, deleted for bandwidth].....
>BCorkum@hamp.hampshire.edu

Who is this joe, anyway? If you'll post his full address with your
complaint it'd give use a chance to put him into our KILL files, or
mail him nasty letters (within the bounds of netiquette and the law,
of course).
	By the way, bcorkum, i'm here in your area... at umass.  Have
I seen you around noho or anywhere? email me some time (though not
with flames... well, ok, flames are nice too ;))


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From: braunste@fjord.atmos.colostate.edu (steam)
Subject: Re: new magazine 'in the flesh'
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 00:08:21 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

i just picked this mag up today and have to say it's pretty lame.  it's  
catered pretty specifically to the "new generation" of piercers.  there  
are a bunch of tongue pierces for shock value and articles/interviews on  
different piercers.  as mentioned in another post, there are no photos  
below the waist.  i guess it does represent a cheap alternative to pfiq,  
but i would just save my money and get the better mag.

steam
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From: c164-cs@po.berkeley.edu (Alexander Pakter)
Subject: Re: GUAGE size
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 06:34:38 GMT

In article <0f0367200iV006rOo=@andrew.cmu.edu> Edward Pak <ep2j+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>   hows a 20 guage for an eyebrow?
>
>EDDIE
>

Sounds kind of small to me, but why guess?  It's real easy to call up
Gauntlet and find out.  Phone #?  Call directory assistance.

Alex
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From: jpage@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: advice for nose piercing (first  time)
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:11:40 GMT




okay...ive  read all of the advice given about how to take
care of a pierced nose....im thinking of getting my nose pierced..
what im looking for is advice on HOW to do it....
cann i get the piercing stud at an earring store?
is it better to do it yourself or have someone else do it
?

any adivce fromm those  who successfully pierce their nose?
_jen  
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