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From: mandel@romulus (Hector Mandel)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Access from West Lafayette, IN
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:09:09 GMT
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Hi there to all Frankfort, IN jumpers! 

The rec.skydiving newsgroup is now available as a FidoNet echomail message
area on the Graffiti BBS which is located in West Lafayette, IN.  If you
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operates at 2400 baud and is free and open to the public.

If any of you have questions about the availability of rec.skydiving on FidoNet
BBSes in your area code, please netmail me: mandel@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu.

The rec.skydiving newsgroup is gated to FidoNet through my system here and is 
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From:  (wine@stress1.nrl.navy.mil)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: PLEASE answer these SIMPLE ?'s!!!!!
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:25:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.021550.12611@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Siddharth.Soni@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Siddharth Soni) writes:

I'll try to help...

> 1]Whats kind of price range can I expect to pay for a 1st
>   time jump (and subsequent ones)?
> 2] How high does one normally go on the 1st jump?
> 

       There are three kinds of first jumps that you can make:
                       Static Line:  exit alt: 2,800-3,500 feet
                                                the ripcord is attached to a nylon line (the static line)
                                                which is in turn attached to  the plane, once you leave the plane, 
                                                 this pulls your ripcord for you.
                                                 PRICE:  $180*

																							Tandom:       exit alt:  8,000-14,000 feet
                                           you strap on a instructor and he/she wears a 'chute built for 2.  
                                           normally you both freefall down to 4,000 feet were the instructor will
                                           pull the ripcord.
                                                 PRICE: $195*

																							AFF (accelerated free fall):  exit alt: 8,000-14,000 feet
                                          the exit is made with 2 instructors holding on to you.  They stay
                                           with you until the 'chute is OPEN.  The ripcord is pulled by the student
                                           at 4,000 feet. (or by the instructors at 3,000)           
                                                 PRICE: $290*         

> 3] Know any places in Central NY?
           Not being from NY, I only have a little info on NY DZ's ("Drop Zones" <=> "parachuting place").  
                             Finger Lake                            Blue Sky Ranch
                             607-869-5601                             914-255-9538

          I have not jumped at these two, but if someone else has, let me know how they are!

Some advice:  The self governing body of skydivers in the US is the United States
   Parachuting Assoc. (USPA).  While not all USPA DZ's are nessecerily good, (or that
   non-USPA DZ's are bad),  USPA membership by a DZ, says that they agree to follow a basic
set of time proven safty and training standards.

* PRICES quoted are for The Skydiving Center, in St.Mary's County MD as of 8/20/92.
  Other DZ's should be similar, but may vary.


Welcome to the club....
                            Jim
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From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Wrong item to catch in freefall
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:43:41 GMT
Organization: Ohio University School of Art. Athens

In article <1992Aug12.144152.26224@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:
>In article <553.2A890C6F@ehsnet.fidonet.org> SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE) writes:
>>Reply-to: Nancy.Jo@p0.f68.n110.z1.fidonet.org (Nancy Jo Irwin)
>>Fido-To: all
>>
>>I almost lost my hook knife once, it came out of its little pouch!
>>I was so proud when I caught it in mid-air because I had just saved myself $5.  Then it came time to pull so I put the hook knife in my left hand.
>>The only problem was that I always grabbed my risers on opening to help open the canopy (it sniveled really bad).  When I got on the ground and started to pack I noticed that I had almost cut my riser in half.
>>So--- save a $5 hook knife and ruin a $50 pair of risers!!!
>
>Just be glad it didn't cut through as you flared. Ouch!!!!

Never mind, stupid post on my part. I misread riser as break line. Still though,
$50 is cheap compared to what it could have cost you.



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From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Hard landing?
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:43:07 GMT
Organization: Ohio University School of Art. Athens

In article <55mL02du1ezH01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> drp40@cd.amdahl.com writes:
>Just to add some levity to a serious situation:
>
>This weekend we were talking about a student who had died (Yolo?)
>from a very hard landing (actually a spinning canopy, which 
>we didn't mention at the time).
>
>Jumper #1:  "Yeah.  I guess he died from severe internal injuries
>             from the hard landing."
>Jumper #2:  "What, you mean like 120mph??"
>
>Aren't they all just hard landings?

Well, there's those double landings where the second one gets you. I like 
the way Parachutist classifies cause of death. If you die instantly it's 
impact and if you take a while it's multiple injuries.



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From: bonitz@ebony.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Bob Bonitz)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Jumping from jets?
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:43:37 GMT
Organization: UC Davis  Robotics Research Lab

In article <1992Aug13.134709.4621@mercury.cair.du.edu> tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude) writes:
>
>i believe the only civilian/passenger jet jumps ever have been D.B. Cooper's
>and from a 727 at the Convention, which noone will tell us about (!).

Don't forget the stunt jumps for the movie about D.B. Cooper.  I believe
they were made by Jerry Meyers who at one time owned the Altitude Shop which
made harness and container systems (Top Secret, Corsair).
From: haralkar@plusplus.is (Haraldur Karlsson)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: REQ: DZ near Conway, South Carolina?
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:23:30 GMT
Organization: Plusplus Inc., Reykjavik, Iceland

Hi there,
    I would like to know if there is any DZ near Conway, South Carolina,
as the header says, this would be my first jumping.
    Thanks for any information, post or Email me at haralkar@plusplus.is

Greetings,
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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Jumps from Jets
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:16:48 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: romulus!ra.oc.com!stephen%moclips

 r> Regarding parachute jumps from jets, I have Boeing test flight footage
 r> showing the (first?) test of jumping from a 737.  For the test, they
 r> first tossed a dummy out on a static line through the starboard rear
 r> door.  After that was successful, two skydivers ("real dummies" as one
 r> senior Boeing engineer put it :-) jumped.

Well, the ranks of jet jumpers have now swelled by 651 jumps by 621 people.  Myself included.  I just returned from Quincy where (until the FAA caught us) the 727 was being an incredible gas for jumping.

Some other stats:

Planes:  4 twin otters, King Air, 3 balloons, Huey (E model), Caravan, Caribou, DC-3 (Mr. Douglas).

Over 20,000 jumps were made.  A good time was had by all.



The only real injuries were to dumb-asses low-hooking into the ground, cars, and a dumpster.

Other trouble was minimal, I personally had my jacket, sweater, and blankets stolen on what seemed to me to be a particularly freezing night.  (Monday?)

I was donated a sleeping bag the next day by Relative Workshop (thus staving off the pneumonia I was sure I would get), and my jacket (the only thing I couldn't replace) was found a day later.  So, it all worked out.


The jumping was excellent.  The weather cooperated, mostly.  It rained a couple of days, but always cleared up.  Mike Mullins was hauling load after load to 21,000 feet (another real gas), and I saw at least one 8-way out of the jet.  I can't wait 'til next year.

Bill K4


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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: weirdest items lost in freefall
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:06:50 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: drp40@cd.amdahl.com

 d> I heard a story about a little old lady who had a pumpkin crash
 d> through her roof at 120 mph and plant itself in the middle of
 d> her living room...

Did it grow?


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From: tessmann@cs.ubc.ca (Markus Tessmann)
Subject: Re: weirdest items lost in freefall
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 20:44:14 GMT

A couple of stories...

1) I remember doing a 4way drag off from a 206 with a friend who wears glasses.
During the climb out and count, he was wearing them normally but when the
formation settled we noticed him holding one of the lenses in his teeth!
Apparently, as we left, the lens popped out and he was able to catch it with
his free hand!  Not knowing what else to do he held it in his teeth until he
landed.


2) During 8 way training in Claresholm, Alberta many years ago on an exit from
a small door beech I hit my foot on the _top_ of the door and knocked one of
my running shoes off.  I landed with one shoe on and gave up the other as lost.
Later that summer when walking back from landing I came upon that shoe!  It was
somewhat sun bleached but I had not tossed out the other shoe yet (who knows 
why?) and so had a complete pair once again!
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: egg
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 20:32:21 GMT


hey noone ever posted whether the egg was faster than a human or not.

???
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: Woman hit by landing skydiver sues city
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 19:49:57 GMT

tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude) writes:
: a 66 yeard old Simi Valley woman said she suffered head, neck, and back 
: injuries when a skydiver landed on her at a July 4 city sponsored event.
: Oh yeah, emotional trauma too.
: 
: Poor thing, at least te skydiver had an open canopy!

I don't know all the particulars, but it sounds like you
are making the woman into a fool! (please correct me if
I'm wrong, and I'll take my flames like a man.)

Hitting someone under canopy is a serious thing; especially,
if that someone is a spectator at a demo.

It's okay to joke about deadly things (we all do), but
all the neophyte skydivers out there have to realize the
seriousness involved here.  (1) hurting an innocent is
*BAD* press, (2) in cases like these an innocent bystander
could be hurt or even killed.

Before anyone jumps down my throat, I'm *NOT* arguing in favor
of people suing indiscriminately if they break a finger nail.
I'm arguing against the attitude that "Poor thing" brings to
my mind.
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From: Charolyn_Babichuk@darwin.biochem.ualberta.ca
Subject: Honeymoon in Vegas
Keywords: Skydiving, Elvis, Vegas
Organization: University of Alberta
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 01:28:43 GMT

Has anyone seen the previews for that new movie with Nicholas Cage called
'Honeymoon in Vegas' (or something like that)?  I saw skydiving Elvis
impersonators doing night jumps with a bunch of lights on their 'Elvis' suits
and I also saw them 'bopping' on their way to altitude in some sort of plane. 
I nearly died laughing at the shot of a bunch of glowing Elvises' diving from
the plane in the dark.  I really like Nic Cage and I can't wait to see this
movie.  Anyone got any more info on it?  Is it supposed to be good?

When Tim and I were at the Royal Gorge in Colorado (1050 ft) we thought that if
someone was going to do a base jump there it would be funny to do it dressed as
Elvis (especially if you had one of those little capes;-).

Would you bloody believe it SNOWED here this morning! >:-(

Charolyn
From: Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: LORAN System for Spotting
Date: 21 Aug 92 01:06:43 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

In article <1992Aug20.221626.17815@advtech.uswest.com>
jld@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Jeffrey DeMent) writes:

>Recently our load was spotted using the LORAN (spelling ?) system
>on board a Twin Otter.  We landed approximately 15 miles off the DZ :(
>due to a equipment malfunction.  I was told the system has been used
>very often in the past with very accurate results and this was a
>aberration.

     I've heard of LORAN spotting over clouds, and I shudder.  It
reminds me of the incident long ago where a group of jumpers did a
radar spot - but the controller was tracking the wrong plane.  They
broke out over Lake Erie, and 16 people drowned.

     Things go wrong.  Call them aberrations, call them malfunctions,
call them what you will.  That's why we have backups - like reserves,
for instance.  I'd use LORAN to back up my eyeballs, or vice versa -
but relying entirely on a box of delicate electronic parts is like
jumping without a reserve, IMHO.

     I hope this is a short-lived fad.

Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca
"I'm cursed with hair from HELL!"  -- Night Court

Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: 727 loads
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 02:12:20 GMT

um, i don't understand how the dude figured out that his loop broke
and then managed to keep his stuff inside his container, 

could you elaborate on that?


also, was there a preferred body position for exit? like a maybe cannonball?
:-)


tim
From: james@cadillac.Eng.Sun.COM (James Mangin)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: First jump - T-minus 8 days
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:35:53 GMT
Reply-To: james@cadillac.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: cadillac

Much to my horror, I'm going to do it.  8^]  Heading up to Davis, Calif. next weekend to go through
level 1 training and freefall.  

I'm scared...but I can't wait.

Is it appropriate to party like wildmen after we've done it?

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Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: matt@ra.oc.com (Matthew Lyle)
Subject: Re: LORAN System for Spotting
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 02:53:58 GMT

Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.221626.17815@advtech.uswest.com>
>jld@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Jeffrey DeMent) writes:
>>Recently our load was spotted using the LORAN (spelling ?) system
>>on board a Twin Otter.  We landed approximately 15 miles off the DZ :(
>>due to a equipment malfunction.  I was told the system has been used
>>very often in the past with very accurate results and this was a
>>aberration.
>     Things go wrong.  Call them aberrations, call them malfunctions,
>call them what you will.  That's why we have backups - like reserves,
>for instance.  I'd use LORAN to back up my eyeballs, or vice versa -
>but relying entirely on a box of delicate electronic parts is like
>jumping without a reserve, IMHO.
>
>     I hope this is a short-lived fad.

Just wait... next you'll be able to use GPS... just don't think
about the fact that the Dept of Defense has insured that they can
make GPS totally inaccurate, except for their receivers of course.
This is to insure that the "bad dudes", whomever they might be,
can't use GPS during an emergency against us... (the "good guys"?)

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Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: lusty@lusty.tamu.edu (Lusty Wench)
Subject: Re: Tail exits
Organization: Just Me
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 02:41:17 GMT

In article <609.2A92936B@ehsnet.fidonet.org> SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE) writes:
>Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
>Fido-To: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu
>
> b> I've yet to jump a rear exit airplane such as the CS-130 or CASA.
> b> Are they better or worse for formations. I understand that the door
> b> is larger, but what about turbulance and 'falling into' the slipstream.
> b> Are these factors?
>
>Not really.  The only difference that counts is that we aren't used to it.  But, they are much easier than our normal "jump around a corner and into a sideways slipstream" exit.  Not to mention, lots of fun.
>

Here's a fun tailgate exit I organized out of a Skyvan on my 28th jump :)

We were the last group out of the plane.  We built a 5-way star kind of
compressed into a row of 3 people with their backs to the door and the
other 2 facing the door.  Everybody took grips and we kind of knelt as
flat as we could on the floor of the plane.  The pilot then went into
a dive, floating us out the tailgate and into the slipstream, where we
promptly blew all over the sky!  :)  It was quite fun.  We did have a
camerman to record the event.  On the video, we "fell" *up* as we left
the plane :).

This was a really fun exit and I would recommend it highly to anyone
who can persuade their pilot to do such a thing :)

Lusty Wench
From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Labor Day Herd Boogie
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:35:00 GMT

Reply-to: Mike.Mcnamara@p0.f64.n382.z1.fidonet.org (Mike Mcnamara)
Fido-To: decay

Hi Dean.  Aren't you one of my AFF students?  Mike McNamara

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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Fruits in Freefall (was: weirdest items lost in freefall)
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:16:52 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: esj@viper.eng.ufl.edu

 e> I vote the egg is gonna be slower if hardboiled, faster if uncooked.

 e> ;-)

Maybe, but it's the omelettes which really cook!


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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Tail exits
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:04:56 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu

 b> I've yet to jump a rear exit airplane such as the CS-130 or CASA.
 b> Are they better or worse for formations. I understand that the door
 b> is larger, but what about turbulance and 'falling into' the slipstream.
 b> Are these factors?

Not really.  The only difference that counts is that we aren't used to it.  But, they are much easier than our normal "jump around a corner and into a sideways slipstream" exit.  Not to mention, lots of fun.


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From: artb@hplsla.hp.com (Art Bori)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:01:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Lost Prairie Boogie
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA