HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Liberal Moscow daily attacked by fascist group (UPI)
Date: 16 Oct 1992 21:00:17 -0400
Organization: Berkeley Software Design
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

In article <1992Oct16.130947.1@acad3.alaska.edu> ftsam@acad3.alaska.edu (Sergei Maurits) writes:
>      Mentioned goodes were unaffordable during a major part of gloriuos 75 
>      years for overwhelming majority of "new historical community - Soviet
>      people" or weren't available in rural areas as close as 200 km to Moscow
>      and/or other big cities. Realization of different scenarios depended upon
>      a direction of Pary "general line" at the particular moment. I can't
>      consider the everyday-economics unification of 15-25M citizens of 
>      Moscow, SPb so on with the other parts of the country as a catastrophic
>      event.

It makes a big difference for the ex-Soviet brute force politics.
Until now it's the population of Moscow and St.Petersburg which
was the force which pushed the changes. Peripheria was always
much more conservative (in average, mind you :-)

It is quite different things to have a million of angry people
spread by small self-sufficient towns and a million gathered
on under government's windows. Communists were quite avare of
that difference, that was the reason for "zonal" system of
supplies rationing. Gorby started to destruct the system.
The system fell and knocked him off. Empty stomach is the best
agitator. Fortunately Moscow and Petersburg were the first in
raising the "alternative" (read -- capitalistic) economy and
therefore still keep the life level higher than the rest;
it is not as in a Ust'-Kamenodyrsk-1021 where the only military
plant haven't paid salary for several months. It seems that
the simple idea that the government can't (and won't) feed its
citizens and the mentioned citizens should feed themselves
started to occupy people's minds. Ironically, in US the reverse
trend is emerging. I guess the quantity of idiotism is constant
on the Earth and it can move it from one place to another but
cannot disappear or even shrink. The inventor of an interplanet
pipeline will get a Nobel Prize for discovering a way to reduce
stupidity on the Earth :-)


--vadim
From: 0004807775@MCIMAIL.COM (Tim Whitmore)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Hello
Date: 8 Oct 92 03:07:00 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

Hello,

This letter is for any and all who correspond on this conference.  I am
from mcimail.  I am interested in establishing a dialog with the users
on this conference and I am interested in obtaining the current files and
articles of interest to this conference.  My name is Tim Whitmore and my
e-mail address is 4807775@mcimail.com on internet.  Please respond with news
or info about how I can conference
with you people.

-tw
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: GLL@fnal.fnal.gov (Gregory Landsberg)
Subject: Re: death and feminism
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 01:35:35 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <Bw8Hr8.FFI.1@cs.cmu.edu> smir+@CS.CMU.EDU writes:

>    Definitely, a dangerous virus is soaring inside Harvard's walls.
>    Misha was the most steadfast among the dignified husc* collective, but at last
>    this virus pierced him. Is it so infectious for xSUs ?
> 
>    Yury

Taking into account recent ``sexual  confession'' by Misha Verbitsky I have
to state that this virus  penetrates through  homosexual contacts... May be
it's  just the  AIDS? It  was  reported that  sometimes  AIDS  leads to the
brain-drain (through the asshole). (Just kidding, of course!)

Keep smiling,

Greg
From: Patricia Schwartz <margaret@glas.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Date: 11 Oct 92 01:48 MDT
Subject: Need a date for Moscow theatre!!!!
Nf-ID: #N:glas:84600002:000:823
Nf-From: glas.UUCP!margaret    Oct 11 01:48:00 1992


Anyone out there who is actually in Moscow, or is this just and emigre
network (sad smile, don't take offense.)

Because: while out in the cold Moscow wind on Sadovaya Bolshaya, I
somehow picked up two tickets for "Moskva-Petushki" at the Mallaya
Bronnaya theatre on Monday night. Alas, I am only one and most of
my friends have already tired of Venichka.

Besides, those terrible hours of distrees for the Russian people
between dawn and the opening of the stores are finished, because
the kiosks on my street sell vodka and beer 24 hrs a day.

My phone number here is 194-75-83.

By the way, at the Mayakovsky station there is very good
Leningradskoe morozhenoe being sold, at least I know it has
been there for the last two evening. It is my favorite.
How long before one can only find "Eskimo Pie" and
Baskin Robbins?


Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: Liberal Moscow daily attacked by fascist group (UPI)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 21:39:16 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

In article <1bgb5jINNpgt@agate.berkeley.edu> muh@physics10 (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.174404.1@acad3.alaska.edu> ftsam@acad3.alaska.edu (Sergei Maurits) writes:
>>
>>IMHO, the real topic in Russia now is a mood of silent majority. Patricia has
>>a gut feeling for it, that proves she has much more understanding of Russia
>>than some tasters' of Russian culture from this group. 
>
>Well, her article was interesting, and is conformed but some others, but
>I'm still not sure it reflect mood of silent majority. 

It doesn't. Once upon a time the queen asked "Why all this people
want bread so desperately? I don't like bread and don't eat it at all -
only one piece sometimes with turtle soup".

I can believe that Moscow is very pleasant now for a person with dollars.
But don't forget ice-cream price in wood roubles and mean salary.
Children (their parents, if to be more specific) can't afford
to buy candy or ice-cream (it's not my speculation, it's real fact). 
Kids don't see candy (if you would be lucky you may find soubean-chocolate
candy for 200 rbl/kg - may cost more now).
When meat cans from "western food help" were
distributed in school - kids opened and ate them the very same
moment they received one.

PS angle of view in this case is similar to that of rich NAPman from twenties.

>I do not think two
>years ago many people looked at foreighers with hartred. Maybe some
>"starprep's"? But on average? 

They didn't.

>Yury 
>
>>I am glad she is back!

I'm too. Very weak hope - maybe she can read, not only write.
But I'm not glad that her productivity exceeds rabbit's.

>>
>>
>>-Serega, AK

	-igor, AK-76, MIG-23
From: margaret@glas.apc.org (Patricia Schwartz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: email advice - Moscow
Date: 17 Oct 92 02:23:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:glas:84600015:glas:84600022:000:1088
Nf-From: glas.UUCP!margaret    Oct 16 20:23:00 1992


Yes, 1800 roubles is a lot. But Glasnet has procedures set up for Westerners
to sponsor accounts for Russian organizations. Are you interested?

When I get back, I will help my husband figure out how to best
use his available funds to help the struggling Institutes here in
this issue.

And yes, the workers' economy was not quite for the workers.

Of course there is that deliciously chilling but seductive phrase
of Lenin's : "dictatorship of the Proletariat"

Read Sinyavsky's latest book if you like ironies of this type.

BTW sometimes I feel uneasy being a "rich American" here. I don't
want to pretend I'm something that I'm not. But there are
so many rich ironies: you must pay dollars for stereos, but
you cannot buy any decent bread for anything but roubles.

Today changing dolars into roubles at a big hotel, I told the
girl, "Good, roubles, now I can buy bread!"

She laughed very nicely at that. She agreed that for dollars you
cannot get some of the best things in life here. Leningradskoe
morozhenoe one cannot get for dollars. Nor Borodinski xleb,
or any good newspaper.
From: USER7CKW@umichum.bitnet ("Kathryn G. Lyon")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Submissions Wanted!
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:40:50 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

We are still seeking submissions for this journal.
If you have an appropriate manuscript please submit
it to the address below or e-mail me at:
     Kathy.Lyon@um.cc.umich.edu

 (Disregard deadline!)

From: Michigan Discussions in Anthropology

CALL FOR PAPERS

ANTHROPOLOGY OF THE (former) SOVIET UNION
       Scheduled publication date Fall 1993

This timely volume will present a diversity of
anthropological studies of the formerly Soviet region.  It
aims to bring together contributions ranging from the
historiography of socio-cultural studies in and of the
Soviet Union to specific ethnographic, linguistic,
archaeological, and bio-anthropological studies.
Expected topics include nationalism, bilinguilism,
economic and social change, prehistory, and human
evolution.  Other topics are equally welcome!

SUBMISSIONS DEADLINE: August 1992

Authors should consult the CHICAGO MANUAL OF
STYLE for Style and format.  Write for information or
send three double-spaced, single-sided manuscripts to:

Volume 12 Editors, MDIA
vepartment of Anthropology
1054 LSA Building
University of Michigan
Ann Arbor, MI 48109
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: GLL@fnal.fnal.gov (Gregory Landsberg)
Subject: Re: Pushkin and Rambo
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 01:43:16 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <84600021@glas.apc.org> Patricia writes:

> In direct retaliation (as it says in the notes of my volume of stories
> of Pushkin) he wrote "The Station Master's Daughter" which is

Well, this is the last ``pearl'' of our little brave Moscow correspondent!

Pushkin occured to wrote ``Captain's daughter'' and ``The Station Master''
(I mention this exclusively for Patricia).

> So Pushkin killed the "dead woman" culture in Russian literature.

Yes, he did. In his immortal poem Rambo-II.

BTW, Patricia, are you still writing your bestseller? Oh, poor Bulgakov...

Greg
From: vadim@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: U.S. students poor performance in math/scienc
Date: 11 Oct 92 13:09:42 EDT
Distribution: usa

In article <Oct.11.10.21.38.1992.3990@pilot.njin.net>, macko@pilot.njin.net (Peter C. Macko) writes:
>   verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) wrote:
> 
>>About literature everybody probably know :)
>>(usual Soviet propaganda, Soviet people
>>are most reading people in the world etc etc
>>Soviet clocks are fastest and Soviet micro-
>>chips are biggest). There is some truth in this:
> 
>   Did they actually brag about their microchips being
> the "biggest"?  I couldn't help but crack up when
> I heard this one.  Whoever it was that did the bragging
> obviously doesn't know the first thing about chip design.
> 
> 			-PCM
> -- 
> 
>   Peter C. Macko                      Internet: macko@pilot.njin.net
>   LCSR/Network Research                         macko@cs.rutgers.edu
>   Telecommunications/Network Services     UUCP: {backbone}!rutgers!cs!macko
>   Rutgers Computing Services,  Rutgers University (Piscataway, NJ) 
  
  What? You did not know? The new approach of making microchips
is to make it as big as possible. And it's going to be "the first thing
about chip design" and may be the last thing. 
V.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:8429 rec.arts.books:17799
From: wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Movies
Date: 7 Oct 1992 05:27:41 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au



>Films of XSU.

>It's the best example of light tone colour 
>cinematography that I know of, alongside  "The Conformist" (Bertolucci I
>think) and another film by another filmmaker of the Bertolucci school 
>whose title escapes me at the moment (the filmmaker's initials are A.A.).

The director's name is Antonio Antonioni; I forget the name of the film.
It's about a filmmaker/intellectual who tries to find happiness amongst
the glamourous set of Rome. He falls for a beautiful woman who uses him
to get a role in a film; but he ends up living with the woman who loves
him and whom he has got pregnant. The last scene of the film is the
filmmaker hallucinating that he's being whisked away by aliens.


jw
From: bhati@plains.NoDak.edu (Amit Bhati)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Trip to Russia, Siberia, Kazhakistan etc., Help!
Date: 11 Oct 92 21:26:54 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Me and some of my friends are thinking of planning a 2 month trip to
Russia (specially siberia, lake Baikal), Kazhakistan and such other
countries of the former Soviet Union.
   I would like people to send their suggestions in this regard.
Specially ;

- Any recommendations for good travel books to read for the above regions?

- Addresses of reliable travel agents amateur/professional tour clubs.

- We plan to do some mountain climbing/trekking etc. apart from pure sight
  seeing. What places do you suggest?

- Any other miscellaneous suggestion/observations.

Please direct all responses to my e-mail address. I do not read this
news group. Thanks in advance.

Amit Bhati

bhati@plains.NoDak.edu.us

Ph: (701) 232-6754.

Dept. of Computer Science,
North Dakota State University,
Fargo, ND 58102.
USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Subject: Re: death and feminism
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:14:21 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14a by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <84600011@glas.apc.org>  Patricia Schwartz <margaret@glas.apc.org> writes:
> ...
>The message in Western European and American culture in particular
>is: women who have sex or want to have sex MUST DIE. Then of
>course the male hero of the story reaches some state of grace
>in grieving for the dead woman.
...
>How fantastically revolutionary this was
>for an American girl to read - a woman who fucks and doesn't die.

It is clear to me now why in English "Fuck you" is a curse and not
a blessing - because of a strong correlation between fucking and death.

Oleg V
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.books
From: firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith)
Subject: Re: Movies
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 17:38:53 GMT

>
>It is said that during the filming of _Marathon Man_, Sir Lawrence Olivier
>observed Dustin Hoffmann getting himself psyched up for their "dentist from
>Auschwitz" scene, during which his character was to be interrogated with
>the aid of a drill.  Hearing his blood-curdling screams, and watching his
>frenetic runabout across the set, Olivier asked the director whether his
>young colleague was having a mental breakdown.  Upon being informed that
>Hoffmann was merely preparing himself for the movie torture session,
>Olivier raised his brows, and muttered quizzically: "Can't he just act?"
>


Actually, I heard that story, slightly differently -- Dustin was playing a
scene where he was exhausted, and so he ran around the block or wherever it
was he was filming a million times, and Olivier asked him why, and he told him,
and Olivier said, "Can't you just act tired?"  But it's the same principle.

Firestar
-- 
I don't bite, you know.    | Find me and turn thy | It is better to have loved 
Unless it's called for.    | back on heaven.      | and lost than to have your
-- Audrey Hepburn, Charade | -- R. W. Emerson     | finger caught in a blender.
*******************************************************************************
From: shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: New language--immigrantish...
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:40:48 GMT
Organization: Boston University Chemistry Department

In article <Bw16oJ.Juy@news.cso.uiuc.edu> didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky
garry) writes:

>I just heard it yesterday from friends of the family, who immigrated
>just 3 weeks ago.  Father, the head of the family, sent himself on the
>mission of finding "mochanlku".  Here is a part of his conversation:
>
>Father: Hello, I would like to wash myself. (This is being spoken in the
>broken english, of course, so be imaginative.)
>
>Salesperson: Well, I use soap.
>
>F: Yes, I am washing myself. I have soap in my left hand.  What do I have
>in my right hand?........

Hmm, people do all kinds of things in the shower...

BTW, putting condoms in cereal boxes is a great idea. Anyone wants to organize
a movement? 

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
// Ryan: What is it to you, demon?       //// Sergei Shimkevich             //
// Lune: It is Sir, Demon to you, worm!  //// shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu        //
// -Phantasy Star III                    //// shimkevich@A1.tch.harvard.edu // 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:8823 misc.forsale.computers:37203
From: westes@sti.com (Will Estes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Want To Buy English To Russian Translation Software
Date: 17 Oct 92 03:27:44 GMT
Organization: Mail Group

I need to get some English To Russian translation software.  If you know
of any good packages, or have one for sale, please contact me by mail.

-- 
Will Estes		Internet: westes@netcom.com
From: mmdh@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (Mazen Mokhtar)
Subject: Re: Bismillah
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:19:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.200351.17788@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz> comjohn@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Mr. John T Jensen) writes:
>Can some helpful Muslim tell one ignorant Christian what the word Bismillah
>means?  Is the -llah a reference to Allah?

  Certainly, it will be my pleasure to tell "One ignorant Christian", but I'll
also tell you. They are actually two words: "Bismi [A]llah." They mean "In the
name of God."

  A Muslim should start every action with it. The most common form is "Bismi
Allahi Alrahmani Arrahim" which means aproximately "In the name of God,
Eternally Merciful, Most Merciful."


Regards,

Mazen Mokhtar
From: WALID@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Walid Majid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Re: I am back!!!!!!!!
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:47:28 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

dear brother sayed jan,

it is great to have you back on the netland.  hope to have more
afghans join us.  take care and looking forward to reading your
posts.

ba ehteram,

walid
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:53:45 EDT
From: <SAYED@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Re: Afghan flood assistance : Koor -e-Khud ,Bena-e-Mardum
 <1992Oct13.041522.20296@wam.umd.edu>


In article <1992Oct13.041522.20296@wam.umd.edu>, endevour@next00pg2.wam.umd.edu
(Afghan) says:
>
>In article <1992Oct11.212137.21038@athena.mit.edu> bhmughal@athena.mit.edu
>(Bilal H Mughal) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct9.162407.20077@wam.umd.edu>,
>endevour@next00epsl.wam.umd.edu (Afghan) writes:
>> |> In article <1992Oct1.144852.9703@athena.mit.edu>
>bhmughal@athena.mit.edu
>
>> lots of barking deleted.
>>
>> regards,
>> Bilal
>
>Not withstanding your "animal language", which you seems to be quite
>proficient at, I will continue to HAUNT you and your BRETHREN who have
>used and are using ****    M  Y  *****  country ( and not some SHEIKHDOM
>IN GULF ) as the laboritory for some futile idiological adventurism.
>
>More rebuttal in near future. Stay tuned.
>
>
>
YEH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ENDEAVOR.....
go get them tiger and I will be here with the rest of the Afghans to back you
up and support you.

Sayed.
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
From: lhermi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lotfi Hermi)
Subject: Rahbar-i-a'zam
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 06:29:39 GMT

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From: u8800914@cs.uow.edu.au (Mohammad Salim Olime)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Re: I am back!!!!!!!!
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:02:27 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia

<SAYED@auvm.american.edu> writes:


>Salam-o-Alaikum to all my fellow Afghan neters..

>I missed you guys, How is every one doing??  Where is  Walid jan and
>Ahmad S. jan, and our wonderfull Afghan brothers in Australia???
Welcome back Syed Jan unfortunately one of your brothers in Australia
(I mean myself) has been quite busy for the last three weeks and shall remain
busy for the next two weeks. Therefore not able to contribute in recent
wave of anti Afghan rampage but you guys down there doing a good job following
traditional Afghan culture of fighting logic with logic and fire with fire.
Keep up the good work.
Ba Umid Sulha dar Afghanistan.
 
>I see that some of us are being attacked again, let me roll my sleaves
>and get back to work....

>talk to every one soon...

>Sayed.
From: abbasa@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Re: Bismillah
Date: 10 Oct 92 22:38:46 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

In article <1992Oct8.200351.17788@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz>, comjohn@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Mr. John T Jensen) writes:
> Can some helpful Muslim tell one ignorant Christian what the word Bismillah
> means?  Is the -llah a reference to Allah?
> 
> Just curious.
> 

I start in the name of Allah.  This is what Muslims say before starting 
anything.

> jj
> 
> John Thayer Jensen                      64 9 373 7599 ext. 7543
> Commerce Computer Services              64 9 373 7437 (FAX)
> Auckland University                     jt.jensen@aukuni.ac.nz
> Private Bag 92019
> AUCKLAND
> New Zealand
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:07:07 EDT
From: <SAYED@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Re: Afghan flood assistance : Koor -e-Khud ,Bena-e-Mardum
 <92288.184936SAYED@auvm.american.edu> <1992Oct14.194124.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>

In article <1992Oct14.194124.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>, hareb_s@cubldr.colorado.edu
says:
>
>In article <92288.184936SAYED@auvm.american.edu>, <SAYED@auvm.american.edu>
>writes:
>>
>> 100% AFGHAN AND PROUD OF IT.
>
>I take exception with that. If you are "Sayed" & "Husaini" You must
>have a minimum blood relatioship to Muhammad (PBUH) who was not 100% or
>even 1% Afghan.
>
>Regards!

I am Arab, my father's side of the family migrated from Saudi, but
that does not mean I shouldn't defend Afghanistan from intruders.
Remember that Islam said to defend your land and your people and
Afghanistan is my home and Afghan's are my people and I will
defend them to the last drop of blood in my body.

I want to see some day an Afghan government by the people of Afghanistan
and for the people of Afghanistan.  A government that is fully
independent and is not controlled by the shaikhs, by ISI, CIA or
any one else for that matter.


Cheers!!
Haji King Shaikh Meer Dr. Sayed Abdul Wasi Al-Hussaini
...I am only in charge of the Camels!!..


Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan