From: 00gdwessel@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Quit the ROBOTECH bashing!
Date: 12 Oct 92 05:31:27 GMT

In article <priss.718771912@glia>, priss@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Lisa) writes:
> In <LFegsB1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> vlad@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Vlad G. Pohnert) writes:
> 
>>00gdwessel@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
> 
>>- Hey, what is up with all the ROBOTECH bashing on this, huh?
>>- 
>>- OK, maybe it wasn't THE best series, but as far as an introduction to the mas
>>- American market it was ART at it's finest.
>>- 
>>- And ROBOTECH HAS lead me to actively seek out other stuff(ie RANMA 1/2, AKIRA
>>- DIRTY PAIR[btw everytime you use DP, I think "Doom Patrol." Sorry], etc.)....
>>- 
>>- So cut it out, huh?!?!
> 
> Actually, I believe the Robotech Bashing is mostly because of the person responsible for putting it up... Carl Macek.  I have seen Galaxy Express 999 dubbed, and it was done fairly decently.  However, trying to tie several different story lines to one thing is bad.  To use the same voices for some of the series is worse.  Even more, to change the actual program to make it seem like a happy ending is criminal.
>  
> A friend of mine has met Mr. Macek before, and talked to him straight in the face.  The problem with Macek, is that he lacks the understanding of how dubbing is okay, if you do it correctly.  Macek is a business man, not an Anime Fan.  Thus, there is the major hatred for Robotech, since Macek is making American Anime Fans think this is what the story is about.  It loses the flavor the Japanese intended and it also makes the story a little incomprehensible to us.

OK, then keep the bashing to the MAN, not the work he "bastardized."  Why blame
STAR TREK on Gene Roddenberry?  It doesn't make any sense, y'know?  I've seen
both ROBOTECH and bits and pieces of MACROSS and SOUTHERN CROSS, and enjoyed 
both just as much.  The work remians the same, when you get down to it.  And,
if you think he fucked with it so much, then that should only appreciate
MACROSS, SOUTHERN CROSS, and (whatever the Hell became the portion with the
Invid!) even more, eh?  

> 
> I have sat down at the showing of Akira in both English and the Original showing.  The english dubbed version was 'sanitized' because the people who did the dubbing disapproved of the literal translation of swear words.  IT is because the people who are doing the dubbing are considering the 'younger' audience, when Akira was meant not only the 'younger' audience, but for all people.
> 
> This is one of the things that makes Subtitling much nicer and desireable.  AnimEigo is not worried nor catering to just the 'younger' audiences like Macek is.  Anime was made for all ages to enjoy, not just the little kid behind the TV.
> 
> Macek should be aimming for the cute, little kid stuff they show on TV, not some of the decent shows like Akira, Vampire Hunter D, Nadia, or Macross.  Each of those series have people who like it, but it is ruined instantly with the repetative voice actors/actresses they use and also the 'sanitation' and 'editting' they do to it

Agreed, but in some cases that can't be helped.  I agree wholeheartedly that
anime should not just be "kid's stuff," but on the other hand, at least in this
country, children are going to be the first market it will hit.  That's just
TV for ya.                                          

>                     
> I have nothing against Dubbing or Robotech, however, I do have an extreme dislike to a business major whose only goal is to sell a lot, and not keep the object of people's interest the same.

Same here, brutha!  I believe in anarchy(GASP!), and while I don't want to turn
this into a discussion of political beliefs, I will say I have the same
feelings towards the comics and music industries.... KEEP BUSINESS OUT OF ART.
ROBOTECH will survive, while Carl Macek will(thankfully) become extinct.

That should put a smile on QUITE a few faces here..... 
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