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From: paul@taniwha.UUCP (Paul Campbell)
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,misc.test,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Gloat
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:32:16 GMT
Organization: Taniwha Systems Design

In article <1992Nov5.231049.21943@news2.cis.umn.edu> bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu writes:

>Me too, I'm so sick of the politics of exclusiveness.  I myself am a non
>Christian.  As a matter of fact, I'm a Buddhist.  Am I not welcomed in
>this country?  I heard Mr. Bucanon's speech at the republican convention
>saying that this is God's country.  I'm scared.  Will I be condemned to hell?

Only if Buchanon is right :-) I doubt he has much on a monopoly on that,
and the American people seem to agree - the seem to find him rather frightening,
I think he's more like the neo-nazis we see running amouk in Germany at
the moment - I guess we're lucky that we can vote to keep him from doing 
us damage .... 

	Paul

-- 
Paul Campbell    UUCP: ..!mtxinu!taniwha!paul     AppleLink: CAMPBELL.P
    "There once was a president named Bush, we started giving him a push,
     Then we went hunting Quayle, got the Republicans nailed,
     And tossed them out on their tush" - Anon.
Xref: sparky alt.president.clinton:521 talk.politics.misc:60713
From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: A "New" Reich
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:35:06 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <1e9l3lINN3dv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) writes:


|>In a previous article, mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) says:

|>>Increasing the money supply faster than the rate of increase in the economy
|>>just leads to inflation.


|>       It would also increase the GDP.  Like last quarter.
|>       Wheee.  We're growing, we're growing!

Is GDP adjusted for inflation?  I'm not sure either way.

Inflation for last quarter was very low, the growth in the money supply was
even lower.

-- 
Mob rule doesn't become any prettier, just because the mob start to call itself
a government.
It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money.
Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,talk.politics.misc
From: pswanson@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Paul Swanson)
Subject: Re: A "New" Reich
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:15:39 GMT

In article <10421@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
>
>But who are you borrowing the money from?  The government (left pocket)
>has borrowed the money for the people (the right pocket).
>There is no new money.

Really?  How is money supply calculated?  Isn't there some sort of
velocity term involved?  Couldn't the government increase the velocity
of money and thereby the money supply?

Paul.
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,talk.politics.misc
From: bagchi@eecs.umich.edu (Ranjan Drzzzzt!  Bagchi)
Subject: Re: CONCIENTIOUS OBJECTORS TO CLINTON
Organization: Recreational Creationists, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:50:55 GMT


Clue time, child.  
	The election's over. 
		 Your guy lost. 
			 Get over it.
				Get used to it.

	-rj
--
Ranjan Bagchi					       Ranjan.Bagchi@umich.edu
oo   oooo  o oo   ooo oo oo   oo       o o  oooo ooo o       o        oooooooo
Xref: sparky alt.president.clinton:473 alt.politics.perot:5534 talk.politics.misc:60433
From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Deficit Reduction Priority for Clinton
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:26:39 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <1992Nov15.004237.14669@wam.umd.edu> nuke@wam.umd.edu (root) writes:

>Heck, we can always just sell off a few states if our tax income exceeds 
>interest payments.

Considering that the US government owns between 1/4 and 1/3 of all the
land in the US, this might not be such a bad idea.

-- 
Mob rule doesn't become any prettier, just because the mob start to call itself
a government.
It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money.
Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com
Xref: sparky alt.president.clinton:478 talk.politics.misc:60466
From: doli@troi.cc.rochester.edu (David Oliver)
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: A "New" Reich
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:42:20 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <1992Nov16.171539.17361@Princeton.EDU> pswanson@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Paul Swanson) writes:
>In article <10421@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
>>
>>But who are you borrowing the money from?  The government (left pocket)
>>has borrowed the money for the people (the right pocket).
>>There is no new money.
>
>Really?  How is money supply calculated?  Isn't there some sort of
>velocity term involved?  Couldn't the government increase the velocity
>of money and thereby the money supply?
>
>Paul.

No, the velocity of money has nothing to do with how money supply is calculated.One measure of the money supply, "M1", just is the total currencey and demand deposits (correct me if I'm wrong on the components of M1, but there is no 
velocity term).  What you are probably thinking of is the equation
      
      Money Supply * Velocity = Price level * Real Output (Real GNP)

Also, the government cannot directly (as far as I know) directly change the
velocity of money.  In fact some have argued that it is constant.  From
the above equation we can see that if prices are sticky (a Keynesian 
idea) and if velocity doesn't change, then an increase in the money supply
will lead to increas in real GNP.  A lot of "ifs".  Anyway, once again
this is just FYI.

-David Oliver (doli@troi.cc.rochester.edu)

===============================================================================
REPORTER: What do you think of Western Civilization?
MR GANDHI: I think it would be a good idea!
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Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc,talk.poltics.guns
From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Subject: Re: A Means To Help Keep Change In Check
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 23:19:24 GMT

In article <BxoGHM.46q@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> willson@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Allen R. Willson) writes:
>the sale of weapons such as the Russian-made AK-47 which comes with
>accessories like a 70 round clip may be limited.  This type of weapon
>is not meant for hunting, unless you're hunting elephants or bears, 
>both of which are endangered species.

Yes, my copy of the Bill of Rights says

"Hunting being necessary to the diet of the people, the right
to keep and use sporting goods shall not be infringed"

Thank you for reminding us of this.

>Besides, the NRA lobbies congress to death the way it is. I don't think
>the right to bear arms is in danger, nor will ever be.

But you forgot to mention that they lost the battle to
keep teflon coated armor piercing bullets legal for use
in hunting deer wearing body armor.

-- 
My opinions are my own.
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,alt.politics.clinton,alt.bitterness
From: paul@taniwha.UUCP (Paul Campbell)
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,misc.test,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Gloat
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:23:30 GMT
Organization: Taniwha Systems Design

In article <Bx9G31.KGK@world.std.com> srm@world.std.com (Stevens R Miller) writes:

>Because fewer people voted for Clinton than for Dukakis, but a third
>candidate split the vote, Bush lost.  Well, at least we know the caliber
>of at least one Clinton booster.

About time you'll stopped comparing Apples and Oranges ..... statements like

	Fewer people voted for Clinton than Dukakis ...
and
	Clinton got less than 50% of the vote so he shouldn't have won ...

show a lot of ignorance of how the US electoral system works ..... better
and more appropriate comparisons are:

	Fewer people voted for Clinton in '92 than Dukakis in '88 and far
	fewer people voted for Bush in '92 than Bush in '88 
and
	Bush got fewer votes than Clinton so he shouldn't have won ....

If you don't like the way that the system works replace it with something
different - for example a direct election of the president, or a direct
election plus a run-off if no one gets 50%+1 (oh no not another election :-).
Better yet ... have a congress (maybe just the House) with true proportional
representation rather than FPP regional representatives or maybe like some
european countries - a mixture of both, local representatives plus seats
reserved to make the party balance in the House match the popular vote - this
would give small 3rd parties seats (I think that Bernie Sanders is the only
non Dem/Rep in the house at the moment) and balance out any gerrymandering that
goes on with redistricting.

In summary, if you think it's broke, fix it, other countries do things
differently - there's no harm in learning from their mistakes. As an example I
give you New Zealand which is currently choosing a new (probably more
proportional) voting process - by voting on it - and as it turns out choosing
not what the entrenched politicos wanted.

	Paul

party representation within the house 
-- 
Paul Campbell    UUCP: ..!mtxinu!taniwha!paul     AppleLink: CAMPBELL.P
    "There once was a president named Bush, we started giving him a push,
     Then we went hunting Quayle, got the Republicans nailed,
     And tossed them out on their tush" - Anon.
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,talk.politics.misc
From: cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: CONCIENTIOUS OBJECTORS TO CLINTON
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:21:52 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <BAGCHI.92Nov23175055@quip.eecs.umich.edu>, bagchi@eecs.umich.edu (Ranjan Drzzzzt!  Bagchi) writes:
> 
> Clue time, child.  
> 	The election's over. 
> 		 Your guy lost. 
> 			 Get over it.
> 				Get used to it.
> 
     Congratulations!  You are the first person to *literally* give us 
a "slanted" reply.  :-)

     C. Perttunen
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
From: tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: A Means To Help Keep Change In Check
Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:38:11 GMT

casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes:
>>Also, the "militia" mentioned in the Second Amendment consists of all able-
>>bodied men (should be people) between 18 and 45 or so.  And the "People"
>>mentioned there is ALL the people, as the Supreme Court said in a 1990
>>decision.
>
>Excuse me?  Then I must have missed my yearly militia training, since I am not
>feeling very "well-regulated" (I don't even know the what platoon I'm in).

No, you missed your training in the English language.  You don't know what
a "militia" is and don't understand the phrase "well-regulated."  Hint: these
phrases must be interpreted using English as it was used in the late 18th
century.

--Tim Smith
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,alt.politics.clinton
From: muwjt@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (William J. Taney)
Subject: Re: Massive Clinton-bashing
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:51:38 GMT

In article <1e95ikINNc6m@agate.berkeley.edu> lindaa@portent.Berkeley.EDU (Linda Absher) writes:
>>
>>Of course, my bias may be showing, so I pause before claiming that we
>>Democrats are a more civilized lot.  Anyone agree?
>>--
>>David Brooks					dbrooks@osf.org
>>Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
>
>In light of the plethoria of messages from the anti-Clinton lot, (i.e.,
>homophobes, anti-women, etc.,) I'd have to agree...
>
I think there may just be really sad sample of republicans in this group,
however the mudslinging can stop , BUSH lost, I think they are still in
denial stage.... Hopefully this will end soon and they will come up with
something productive to discuss....


-- 
*William Taney                *   Lobotomy's for Republicans
*muwjt@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu        *          it's the Law
*Western Illinois University  * Clinton/Gore and Carol Moseley Braun
*                             *             in '92
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton
From: joec@fid.morgan.com (Joe Collins)
Subject: Its starting, Part II.
Organization: None
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:26:30 GMT

 Bill Clinton met with Congressional leaders, i.e Foley, Gephardt and Mitchel.
But where was Senate Republican Leader Bob Dole? Or the Representative 
Republican leader? I thought Bill would be not be partisan about his 
activities. I thought he was a new kind of Democrat.....

In addition:

Bill Clinton said ("Putting People First"):
    "I will take the following steps:
    * Staff reductions. I will reduce the White House staff by 25 percent and
      challenge Congress to do the same.

But Monday 11/16/92, Bill backed off on the promise of asking Congress
to cut their staff 25%. He now says Congress should just lower their staffs
over time. [He still plans to pare back the White House staff].

He also said:
    * Line item veto. To eliminate pork-barrel projects and cut government
      waste, I will ask Congress to give me the line item veto.

Bill has now backed off on that by changing the rules for Congressional
overrides of this line item veto fromt he normal 2/3 to a simple majority.

The Democratic Platform says:
  We don't have an American to waste.  Democrats will continue to 
  lead the fight to ensure that no Americans suffer discrimination or 
  deprivation of rights on the basis of race, gender, language, national 
  origin, religion, age, disability, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, or other
  characteristics irrelevant to ability. 

Bill now says he he no longer has a timetable or structure to 
follow regarding relaxing the ban on homosexuals in the military.

The Democratic Platform says:
    We will relieve the tax burden on middle class Americans by forcing 
    the rich to pay their fair share.
Bill himself once said:
    My plan would make the wealthiest Americans pay their fair share 
    in taxes.

But yesterday "he  raised the possibility of making ALL Americans give up
something...'The American people will be much more willing to accept the
argument that ALL HAVE TO SACRIFICE AND CONTRIBUTE over the long run if
they believe we're starting from a fair tax system' ".

Before the election, I stated that I liked Bill Clinton but wouldn't vote
for him because of all the Democrats that would come hands outstrectched to
Clinton. I was concerned they would get him to back off his pledges after
the election. Granted, most of his pledges are still there to be fulfilled
but it is starting to look like politics and spending as usual and he is not
even President yet...

Just my opinion....

Joe
joec@morgan.com
Usual disclaimers...

Newsgroups: alt.wais
From: sed@oclc.org (Steve Driscoll)
Subject: Help with PCWAIS
Organization: OCLC Online Computer Library Center, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:57:37 GMT

Is this the appropriate group to ask for help with PCWAIS?  If not, would someone refer me to a more appropriate group? Thanks!
From: mb5o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Bauer)
Newsgroups: alt.wais
Subject: Services Survey
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:19:32 GMT
Organization: Masters student, Industrial Administration - 3rd Yr. Opt., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Hi!  I'm conducting a survey on Internet Information Services.  I wonder if I 
could get your feedback on a few questions.  I'll let you know what I
find out.  Just
forward this mail back to me with your answers, I'll process everyone's
responses and
get the results back to you as soon as I can.   Please place your
answers to the 
questions at the beginning of the line following the question.  Thanks
for your help!

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
SERVICE QUESTIONS 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

What have you used WAIS for?  Would you please give an example of how you've 
used it and how it benefitted you or your organization?


How would you rate each of the following statements concerning WAIS on a
scale of
1 to 5, where 1 means you strongly DISAGREE with the statement and 5
means you strongly AGREE with the attribute.

  It's easy to install.
  
  It's easy to use.

  It performs well.

  It's robust.

  There's good documentation available for it.

  Consulting on its use is readily available.

  Bugs are fixed in a timely fashion.

  Updates are regularly provided.


What would you say is the best feature of WAIS?


What would you say WAIS could do in addition or do differently?


How would you describe your ideal information service, if it's not WAIS?


If you wouldn't use a commercial version of such a service, skip the
following questions and go on to the section titled BACKGROUND QUESTIONS.

What do you think would be a fair price for your ideal service, A, B, C, D, E?

  A.  X < $100?
  B.  $100 <= X < $500?
  C.  $500 <= X < $1,000?
  D.  $1,000 <= X < $5,000?
  E.  $5,000 <= X < $10,000

Would you buy such a service at this price?

Would you advocate that someone else in your organization do so?

If so, who?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BACKGROUND QUESTIONS
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What computer do you use?

How do you connect to the Internet?

What organization are you primarily affilated with?

What is your role or title in that organization?

What computer publications do you read?

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From: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Evil Twin ?
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:50:45 GMT
Reply-To: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov15.013241.16953@ncsu.edu>, mssande1@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL
 SHANE SANDERS) writes:
>
>
>
>
>When I was much younger, I had a reoccuring dream that my mother had an
>evil twin. In my dream, I would always open the front door of my house and
>see the evil twin standing outside with a big, white gown, flowing in the 

>As stupid as this dream may sound, I have always wondered about it.
>Anyone out there have any interpretations of the dream(s)? Comments/Suggestions?
>Anyone had any similar dreams?........Please share.
>
>
This dream doesn't sound stupid at all.  I think everyone's mother (and
father) is/are really two people: A kind, caring nuturing parent, and,
because there are very few saints among us, belittling, critical, harsh
parent.  When we form ideas about how we and others should act in the world,
we internalize our parents (let's see: kind and criticzing; mom and dad--
that makes four) and they become our conscience.  Don't I recall some
of the old Looney Tunes Toons with an angel (conscience) on one shoulder
and devil (primitive desires) on the other?

One difficulty arises when we confuse the "translations" we have made of
our parents and stuffed inside our heads with our real parents--believe
me, they're a lot different.

One more thing, and I'll shut up.  You might want to avoid thinking about
the fact that it's more acceptable to stab one's mother with a sword than
with a penis, but the outcome is dreadful in both cases.

Erik Timmerman
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: philip@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Philip Stephens)
Subject: Re: LUCIDITY INSTITUTE EXPERIMENT #1
Organization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:04:18 GMT


Jennifer Dole writes:
>Dreams feel as real as waking life...

Robert Sutton writes:
>NO

I write:

YES!  Try improving your dream recall and you will change your mind, I can
guarentee that.  Dreams DO feel as real as waking life AS WE ARE DREAMING
THEM; you're thinking of what happens when you wake up, which is after the
event.

-- 
| Philip Stephens, Systems Programmer. | %%%%  %     Labtam Australia Pty Ltd |
| Address:  43 Malcolm Road, Braeside, |   % % % %     "Applied Ingenuity"    |
|           Victoria, 3195, AUSTRALIA. |  %  % %  %  We make the fastest RISC |
| Internet: philip@labtam.labtam.oz.au | %%%%% %%%%% X terminals in the world |
From: drp40@cd.amdahl.com (Doug Puchalski)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: My Lucid Experiences
Date: 19 Nov 92 03:50:58 GMT
Reply-To: drp40@cd.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale, CA

The concept of lucid dreaming appeals to me very much, but I find it very
difficult to keep up the relatively hard work to have the experiences.  The
most success I had was during a period when I forced myself to do dream 
tests *all* day long.  It's easy to give up on that.

The times where I have been truly lucid are few and far between.  By *truly*
lucid, I mean very much asleep.  In all of these occasions, I have pushed my
goals to high, and am unable to do much of what I attempt to do (fly, make
certain people appear in my dreams (!!) , etc.)

I've had quite a few more lucid dreams when I'm just falling asleep.  A
relatively common one is where I begin feeling like I'm on some sort of drug.
I very vividly experience the physical sensations--perhaps this is the hormone
that partially paralyzes the body during sleep to prevent one from acting out
dreams?

Since most of my lucid dreams occur when I'm just falling asleep, it seems to
be very easy to awaken from them.  On one occasion, I found myself in a
grassy "back yard" at night.  The house which I was behind had a porch light
on.  For one reason or another, I was laying on my back on the grass.  I then
realized I was dreaming, and was laughing, saying to myself "Cool!  Let's see
what I can do!"  So I started trying to fly, but I could only levitate myself
horizontally, face up.  I fought this for a while, and then awoke.

Other experiences, which are pretty scary sometimes, is when I don't even feel
like I'm sleeping.  Come to think of it, it feels more like I'm dead.  I seem
to be able to feel my body as it is in reality, in bed.  But I am unable to move
and I am unable to open my eyes.  I fight it for a while before I'm finally 
able to move.  My first impression would be that I am actually trying to
physically move but cannot, but on second thought maybe it's all part of the 
dream.

Any similar experiences?

-- 
Doug Puchalski       You have the right to your opinion, even though it's wrong
drp40@cd.amdahl.com	        My opinions are my own, and are fact, of course
dpuchals@engin.umich.edu                                   Death to all smileys
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: Tarzan
Subject: Large Crystal Structure, Lucidly
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:32:14 GMT

A while back I had been experimenting with staying up late or waking up in the
middle of the night and staying awake for approx. 30 min., well, one time as I
was trying to hold consciousness into sleep, i.e. let my body go to sleep (lose
conscious awareness of my body) and keep my mind awake, I saw in my mind a
crystal structure.  I moved toward it.  It was very big and I was very excited.
 This was the first time this had ever happened.  I studied the crystal.  It
was very beautiful.  It looked like a flourite or similar crystal, like a
rhomboid.  As I got closer I saw that there were three  of them side by side,
connected , the two on the sides were smaller.  There was only a dark
background around it.  
	The really interesting part was when I got excited and "tried" (as opposed to
letting it happen) to see on top of it.  Apparently I moved my physical
sleeping body in my attempt and awoke. It hasn't happened again mostly because
it is hard to practice. 
Newsgroups: alt.dreams