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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons)
Subject: Re: Why Disney's parks are different
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 10:48:01 GMT
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Cheryl A. Heinz (cah32481@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: winter@Apple.COM (Patty Winter) writes:
: >Not far from my house, at the Great America amusement park, there 
: >is a ride called The Edge. It consists of a girdered tower about
: >100 feet high painted about the same color as the Golden Gate Bridge.
: >The ride consists of standing in line, taking an elevator to the
: >top of the tower, getting in a little steel-grid cage, and screaming
: >as the cage slides forward a few feet and then drops abruptly toward
: >the ground below. (The track is curved near the bottom and takes the
: >cage forward a little ways before stopping.)
: On a bit of a tangent...
: The Great America by me (Six Flags Over... near Chicago) had this ride. 
: It lasted for one or two seasons, and has since been torn down. A few 
: people died when many many pairs of safety breaks all failed to catch a 
: car... I thought the whole idea had been scrapped. (This was all at least
: five years ago, if not closer to eight or so...)
: Just interesting to see there's another one out there. (Same name and ride...)

That ride is _ooollld_... Cedar Point (Sandusky Ohio) has had the equiv 
called the Demon Drop for as long as I can remember...  They also have the
world's largest/fastest steel rollercoaster (Magnum XL200) and the world's
largest/fastest wooden rollercoaster (Mean Streak), but that's not the pt.


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From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron)
Subject: Re: Proxy for Shareholders - Question
Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com
Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:48:08 GMT


In article <1993Jan27.180559.22927@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, jcs@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Janet C. Sakell) writes:
>I skimmed my 1992 Annual Report and am sitting here looking at the
>proxy I have to sign.  I have not held Disney stock since 1940 -
>if I had I wouldn't be working given the value they calculate (-: -
>can someone tell me why the Directors recommend a vote against 
>Proposal 3 (To approve the stockholder proposal with respect to the 
>dissemination of quarterly reports)?  I need some facts here and
>I don't see them in the material I got.  Private e-mail is fine.

I ALWAYS vote FOR anything the directors of any corporation are against.  But,
then, I'm just the little fart trying to make a big stink :-)

Without access to the proxy (not a shareholder), I'd guess that the board says
it's too expensive and the proposers say that it will make for a more informed
shareholder.  They're probably both right.
>Thanks,
>Janet Sakell
>jcs@virginia.edu
>
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Subject: Re: Silly Parade Question
From: kat@gtc.com (Kathryn Fielding)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:44:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Genisco Technology Corp.

In <1k1rc9INNhpk@shelley.u.washington.edu> mousktr@carson.u.washington.edu (Denise "ABU" Lockner) writes:

>I can tell you why Disneyland does this.  All parade floats are stored
>behind Main Street.  When there are 2 parades a day (on busy seasons)
>the parades begin on Main Street then end up at Small World.  So when
>the second parade happens, they go the OPPOSITE direction- from Small
>World to Main Street.  This way, the floats end up where they're stored.
>So depending on which parade you see, the direction could be different.

Are you sure that you're not turned around? They used to store the parade
floats in the warehouses behind Small World (on the other side of the 
monorail hangars) and the first parade would go towards Main Street. The
floats would be parked there near the Inn-Between during the interval,
and for the second parade, they would go back to Small World. I don't
think that I've ever seen this happen in reverse - and I saw the parades
over Christmas, and last summer.

The Basic idea is correct though.

-Kathryn

(Tigger's number one fan!)

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From: riouxp@rs6324.ecs.rpi.edu (Peter Joseph Rioux)
Subject: Re: The Little Mermaid Series Question
Reply-To: riouxp@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:30:32 GMT

> umm... i guess that i didn't have to wait to be corrected... the episode
> that i was talking about was beached... but it was arista, not alana... 
> sorry for the inconvenience..... and if you are feeling stupid for correcting me
> because you didn;'t see this until after, take refuge in knowing that i did the
> same exact thing.......
   I actually corrected you before the fact! Boy, I am getting fast! :-) :-)

hey!!.. i was thinking of eel-etric city.. that's why alana (notice
the one l...:).. came up to my fingers.. oh, well...:)

SQUID
(too fast for his own good.. two weeks ahead of his own time....:)
From: ostrove@goofy.umd.edu (Steven M. Ostrove)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Mary Popins II
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:46:08 GMT

As Walt Disney was fond of saying...

   "You can't top pigs with pigs"

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From: hyler@ast.saic.com (Buffy Hyler)
Subject: Disneyland Future Ride Info
Reply-To: hyler@ast.saic.com
Organization: SAIC
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:11:04 GMT

There was a interview yesterday on a local radio station with
a Disneyland representative, Jeff Kearny (sp?), about the new
rides coming to Disneyland.  The local DJ was at Disneyland
for the opening of Toontown.

The representative said that the Roger Rabbit ride is scheduled
to open during this summer (no exact date was given) and that
for 1994 they were working with George Lucas on an Indiana Jones
ride (no exact date or details given).  After that he refused
to commit even when asked explicitly about the WESTCOT plans. He
only mentioned that the were still working on the environmental
aspects of that.

Does anyone have any more info on the Indiana Jones ride?

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From: duehara@yosemite.math.ucla.edu (Dana Uehara)
Subject: Re: my aladdin review....
Organization: Toonaholics Anonymous
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 18:54:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.220522.26836@cs.ucla.edu> reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:
>In article <30407@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>>
>>It is not a horrible film by any means - just not as good in
>>my opinion as many of the reviews I've seen -  I had to agree with our local
>>reviewer who said something like "not as good as Disney fanatics will have
>>you believe, but a quality animated film none the less". 
>
>Personally, I enjoyed "Aladdin", but preferred "Beauty and the Beast".  I 
>think "Aladdin"is doing better largely because Disney has had more success in
>selling it as a film that adults will like.  I've heard of several people who 
>didn't go see "Beauty and the Beast" because they thought it was just for kids.

I also preferred "Beauty and the Beast" to "Aladdin," although I will admit 
that there were some pretty good animation sequences (i.e. the escape from the 
cave on the magic carpet -- possibly computer animated?) as well as songs in 
the film.  It's a good film, definitely the caliber you'd expect from Disney.
But somehow I can't agree that "Aladdin" is the "miracle" film that has 
surpassed "Beauty and the Beast," as at least one movie critic has said.

What's interesting is that when I first saw "Beauty and the Beast," there
weren't very many kids in the audience.  Lots of couples, though.  With
"Aladdin," it was sort of the opposite.  Could have been that I saw the
former on a Sunday night and the latter on a weekday night during winter
break...

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From: ICWFM@ASUACAD.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Fantasmic
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:25:15 GMT
Organization: Arizona State University

I know that there were a hundred posts on this last may, but I didn't copy
them because I didn't know I'd be going to Disneyland so soon.

I want to know the best places to watch (and videotape) Fantasmic from,
and strategies for getting there before the show.  I'm going this Saturday,
the 30th.
If this is in the FAQ could someone send me a copy.  Thanks.

Fred McIlvain
icwfm@asuacad
From: mousktr@carson.u.washington.edu (Denise "ABU" Lockner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Disneyland crowds question
Date: 22 Jan 1993 02:26:02 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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In article <1993Jan21.174557.7198@ncsu.edu> kester@mte.ncsu.edu (Dan Kester) writes:
> I will be going to California soon and wonder if anyone has info on the crowd
>situation at Disneyland in March-April. Is any time better than others?

 some California schools are on quarters, and some are on semesters.  
 Therefore, mid-March and the week before and after Easter will be most
 crowded.  I recommend early March or late April (or early May- summer
 season begins around Memorial Day).

>
>Is any day of the week better than others?
 
  DON'T GO ON SATURDAY!!  Typically, Friday is the least crowded, follwed
  by Thursday, Sunday (MORNINGS), with Wednesday, Tuesday, and MOnday
  varying somewhat.  

 Also, does anyone have info on hours its open (I think I saw this posted
>recently, but didn't save it).

The park hours fluctuate during the off-season. Call (714) 999-4565 for
exact times.


>Thank you!
I was in t
I was in the mood to help you, dude.  (Where have I heard that????)
>
>Dan Kester
>kester@mte.ncsu.edu
>
>
                                                                   -Denise
-Denise
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From: jeremym@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jeremy C Morrison)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Parents
Date: 28 Jan 93 14:18:57 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

To: All 
Subject: Parents 
Newsgroups: Rec.arts.disney
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Just kind of sitting around and wondering.  Why is it that we never see the parents of both the female and the male heroine in a diney movie.  In fact, as far back as I can remember, with Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty and Snow White, as well as with today's new movies, we only meet the female's parents.  Also, in the old ages we used to see just mothers and now Belle, Jasmine, and Ariel only have fathers.  Is this saying something about Disney's changing view of the social structure, or merely coincidence



?
		- Jeremy

internet: jeremym@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
From: tanida@seismo.CSS.GOV (Tom Tanida)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: BatB:  How much did it cost to make?
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:10:15 GMT

In article <1k3o42INNcnh@network.ucsd.edu> rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook) writes:
>In article <1k1bjjINNco8@gap.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>>Does anyone know how much it cost to make the Beauty and the Beast
>>movie?  What about Aladdin?  Which animated movie (not necessarily
>>one of these) was the most expensive to make, ever?  Thanks
>
>Both Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin cost around $30-35 million to
>produce.  That's still an estimate--different sources will tell you
>different things.
>
>It's even harder to tell exactly which feature had the biggest
>pricetag, as the value of the dollar has changed so much.  Based on
>average ticket prices, Snow White would have cost a similar amount
>as BatB and Aladdin.  Sleeping Beauty MAY be the most costly of all
>time, but I'd need to look much further into it.
>
>- Robert Cook

You are absolutely right.  Also, there's actually no real way of
proving Aladdin or BatB really did cost $30 mil, that's really just
the speculation of analysts who might know something.

And how about the cost of ToonTown?  Given that Disneyland
cost what- $15 mil? to build and Toontown cost $100 mil
(also alleged, but not confirmed or denied until Mike Eisner calls
me up personally and lets me know) even when you compensate for
the value of the dollar, how do you compensate for things like
increased government regulation, new and necessary enviromental impact
studies, increased land value in Anaheim (some of it because of Disneyland
to begin with), increased salaries from union labor, new workers
compensation/insurance programs, increases in state and federal
taxes etc. etc. etc.- so what WAS the real cost of ToonTown relative
to Disneyland anyway?? :-)  The best way to figure it would be
"How much would it cost to rebuild Disneyland from scratch today?" and
that still probably wouldn't even be an 80% accurate comparison.

-Tom
tanida@esosun.css.gov
From: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)
Subject: Re: Review of Disney Animation Studio SW
Organization: Columbia U., New York City
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:42:56 GMT
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In article <25369@galaxy.ucr.edu> vexar@watserv.ucr.edu (Joe C Solinsky) writes:
>In article <1jigefINN2r3@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> edison@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Thomas  
>Matthew Callen) writes:
>>>Another drawback in this program is it's use of memory.  This program will
>>only utilize memory found in expanded memory.  Which doesn't help people like
>>me who have 2 meg of memory on the motherboard set-up as extended memory.
>>Therefore I am stuck with about 400K (after DOS and whatever) to use for this
>>memory hog of a program.
>
>You have to be kidding!  It runs on a 512K unaccelerated A500 superbly.  You  
>must be referring to one of the hack ports for the other platforms.
>-Joe Solinsky

	Apart from the (justly) smug Amiga owners 8), and not to
get too deeply into DOS-talk, but very few programs deal with
extended memory. Why not run QEMM (or some such), or have
multiple boot sequences depending on what you are to use? Of
course, you COULD run Windows, which would deal with this
sillyness for you.
	-- Ethan


"I got an A in psychology. I proved my professor didn't exist."
	-- Judy Tenuta
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From: atzachar@unix.amherst.edu (Aladdin)
Subject: "Disneyland" as seen by Howard Ashman
Organization: Amherst College
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Following are the lyrics (excluding the 'voice') to Jodi Benson's ballad
in Howard Ashman's ill-fated 1986 musical, "Smile".  The song (lyrics by
Ashman, music by Marvin Hamlisch) was entitled "Disneyland".  This is
from memory, so a couple things might be off slightly :):

		Disneyland, Magic Kingdom
		Disneyland
		I close my eyes real tight
		Wishin' hard I might
		Wishin' hard I may find my way to
		Disneyland, gotta get to
		Disneyland
		On a western breeze,
		Magic carpet please,
		Carry me away...

		Oh, I know you're gonna say
		The trees are paper mache,
		It's done with mirrors, the magic there
		Each little bird's full of springs
		You press a button, it sings
		Recorded music in the air
		They've had the mountain refaced
		It's only plywood and paste
		Go on, say it!
		I'll turn around and tell you
		I don't care!  I don't care...

		I will live in Disneyland
		Make my home in Disneyland
		Maybe it's all fake
		That's a chance I'll take
		It's perfectly okay,
		Someone give me Disneyland
		Take me there to Disneyland
		And when I get to Disneyland
		I'll stay!

Note the 'magic carpet' line...

--
	** Ala"ddi"n **

	"There will be riches and magical places
	 A private oasis out there in the sands..."













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From: collins_w@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Trivia Questions for Disney's Little Mermaid
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:40:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.022350.21116@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal) writes:
> In <1993Jan19.085333.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> collins_w@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
> 
>>   Trivia question for "Disney's The Little Mermaid": What is Flounder's
>>real name?
> 
> Um, "Flounder", I thought.  Or perhaps it's "Guppy".  :)
                                               ^^^^^
   You haven't even seen the series, and got part of it!!!


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From: "John Nienart" <nienart@cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Best Bookstore in B-town?
Reply-To: nienart@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu
Organization: IU Perennial Grad Student Assoc.
Distribution: iu
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:34:57 -0500

shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:

>What (in your opinions, of course) is the best bookstore here?  I'm
>looking for one with a wide variety.  Specificaly, I'm looking for
>Disney books on art/animation.  I believe one is called "The Illusion of
>Life" made by a couple of Disney old-timers.  Any info would be great.
>Thanks.

As someone's already said, Morgenstern's is basically wonderful.
However, there are a couple of other places you might want to check
before placing a special order. The first of these might be
Bookseller's Outlet (on Indiana, near 3rd), which is Morgenstern's
discount shop. I've seen at least one Disney art book there, but I
don't think its the one you mentioned. Another place is the Book
Corner (at Walnut & Kirkwood). It's not all that easy to find things
in there, but you can sometimes get someone to help you; and, if I'm
not mistaken, they give a discount (10%? 20%?) on all special orders. 

Finally, although you should be able to get what you want at one of
the places above, if you've never been to Howard's (Fountain Square
Mall), you should drop in there. It's a good old store.

Hope this helps.
--John
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From: tanida@seismo.CSS.GOV (Tom Tanida)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: ToonTown (was Re: UPCOMING ANIMATED FEATURES)
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:18:16 GMT

In article <1k3q1aINNfmq@network.ucsd.edu> rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook) writes:
>
>Oh, nearly impossible. :-)  Our posts apparently went out at almost
>the same time, and luckily, our information matches up.  But I would
>not take any of this 100% seriously even if Jeffrey Katzenberg told
>me himself.  The entertainment "industry"--gotta love it! :-)  We'll
>just have to be patient, but we can try to keep our guesses straight.
>
>BTW, notice that Toontown's opening was yesterday, the 25th, instead
>of the 26th.  At least, that's what the news said, so it may or may
>not be true (I wasn't there).  I was at Disneyland earlier this month,
>and I heard that Toontown's opening had been changed to the 23rd or
>24th(!), but I didn't believe that, either.  And there's this trailer
>for Sleeping Beauty on my BatB tape...why are they planning to scrap
>the reissue?  Didn't that trailer they put on the tape mean that
>they were serious?  Is it a marketing ploy or something?
>
>See what I mean? (don't answer the questions--they are pure rhetoric)
>
>- Robert Cook

(Sorry to answer rhetorical questions :-) ) 

Toontown's (or is that ToonTown) "official" opening day was 1/26.
There was a line over 2 blocks long at the gates of Disneyland before
the park opened.  It is rumored that Toontown cost $100 mil to build.
(Just a rumor, of course, but that's probably the figure you'll
hear in the all the industry rags and other media).

To celebrate, other than the commemorative passports, the Disney
Store, as of 1/26, is issuing special Disney Dollars with Mickey on
the front and ToonTown on the back (in case you didn't catch this
in FAQ).

Toontown, however, did have special "soft openings" where Disneyland
would, unannounced, open the gates to the public.  I know someone who
went in early Jan, and I'm sure there are a few people reading this
who also went as well.  So it's possible the gates were open over
the weekend.  Any impressions (other than it's not worth the 1+ hour
wait for the 56 second roller coaster ride :-) )?

-Tom
tanida@esosun.css.gov
From: gt1293c@prism.gatech.EDU (W. Scott Radeker, IV)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Disney Reference in The Simpsons
Date: 24 Jan 93 14:13:23 GMT
Organization: Hog's Breath is Better than No Breath at All.

In article <1993Jan22.175341.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> collins_w@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>
>   There was a Disney reference in the last Simpsons. They were
>at the Duff Beer theme park. For one of the rides, they floated on a
>river of beer, which had children of different nations singing about
>Duff Beer along the ride. Just like the Disney ride, "It's a Small World
>After All".
>
I can't believe that no one mentioned the episode where Bart and Lisa
are watching an episode of "itchy and scratchy" which turns out to be
"Steamboat Scratchy"  (or itchy) - it was HILARIOUS!  Also there is one
where Bart wants to go see the new I&S animated movie but he can't.  Homer 
tells him that he didn't let Bart go because he wants him to be the
next supreme court justice.  Well at the end of the movie the have a
"flashforward" where Bart is a supreme court justice and they go to
and old animated film fest to see the itchy and scratchy film.  On the 
marquee it says something like 

+====================================================================+
|       I T C H Y  &  S C R A T C H Y  -  T H E  M O V I E           |
|              The greatest animated movie of all time!              |
|                     and Beauty and the Beast                       |
+====================================================================+


So I think that they LOVE to make cracks at Disney...

Scott
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