From: trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell)
Subject: Re: 800 numbers and how they work
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:08:20 GMT

gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu writes:

>As a worker in a company with an 800 number, I know as a fact that not all
>800 numbers give their owners direct information about who called, BUT, if
>you were (for example) to call my 800 number and I wanted to know who you
>were, I could write down the date and time of your call, then at the end of
>the month I download the call log from the long distance company, look up
>the date and time, and pow, I've got your number!

    I too run a helpdesk with an 800 number, and I've used the ANI reports
we get from MCI every month to call up a few annoying kids' parents and
ask them to kindly tell their brats to quit making prank calls.

    Feel free to call up the Concerned Women for America or whoever, but
don't do it more than a few times from the same phone, because should they
be so inclined, there's nothing to prevent them from getting ANI data too
and possibly filing harassment charges or whatever.

-
   Tim Russell                 Omaha, NE              trussell@unomaha.edu
      "Who can doubt that pleasure is the only goal of a reasoned life?"
                                                   -- Epicurus

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Date: 09 Oct 1992 20:43:07 -0500 (EST)
From: SHELTON@Butler.EDU
Subject: news at earlham college
Mime-Version: 1.0

Hey, Earlhamites, how's it going?

Your fellow gay Hossier Justin at Butler Univ. is wondering if, in
reference to a posting from some months ago, you've had any luck at
finding a faculty advisor for your group.  If I recall correctly,
the Quakers In Charge were trying to maintain the bigoted moral climate
on campus that they've been espousing for the last 150 or so years.

Say hi to Hillary White for me, and tell her congrats on her new love.



OTHER STUDENTS IN INDIANA:  What sorts of activities are going on on your
campuses?  I hoping that there will be second conference for lesbigay
student groups again in the spring of '93 like the one this last year at
Ball State.  Has anyone heard word of if and where the event will be
held?

Finally, one last word on lesbigay goings-on in the Hoosier Heartland.  I
was at the Hispanic Festival in mid-September (where our brothers in
Indiana Cares had their very own booth, which proved to be one of the
most popular since it was the only one at the entire event selling
beer, so everyone stopped by!) and I was chatting with one of the
members of ICAAN.  I can't remember the guy's name, but he was interested
in starting up a support group for hispanic gays in Indy.  I suppose that
anyone interested can phone up the headquarters and get more information.
I'll post this guy's name and number when I'm able to retrieve them
from under the seat of my car.  (...seems that's where all my important
things end up...)

I know I said that was my last note, but one more - and of a very snide
nature-  I find it hard to believe that our neighbours to the south are
upset about and punishing anal sex. . . and this coming from a state
whose initials are KY!

Justin in Indianapolis

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 23:26:01 -0400
From: bu534@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill E Jones)
Subject: Huh?

What is the deal with GAYNET?

-
Bill E.
bu534@cleveland.freenet.edu
A man is a terrible thing to waste.

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From: rcrawfor@bell.susqu.edu
>To: gaynet@GALLIFREY.KENT.edu
>From: rcrawfor
Date: Sat Oct 10 02:27:25 EDT 1992
Phone: The I-House
Subject: SEXY MEN, HOT WOMEN.....YUMMMMMMMM
Ua-Message-Id: <PMXSTAR-2.2.1a-rcrawfor-000000real-192>

        now that i have your unidivided attention, i just want to say that
it's 2h 30 on a friday night and i am in my computer lab because i live
with the amish and thus have no life. eating cold pizza and drinking warm beer
next to a computer does not constitute a good time. to make it worse, we got
about 2 inches of rain today. fortunately, i live across the street from the
computer lab, so my pizza wasn't in danger. thank you for caring....

        on a more serious note, the promised article that i wrote for the s.u.
_crusader_ (commonly called the _crudesayer_) should be here by either monday
or tuesday. it's extremely long, but i hope i can transfer it from my a drive
to my h drive with little difficulty......

        (In the next issue, Rob will discuss his notes on the greek system at
Susquehanna University, from whose events he is summarily excluded....
                                                --Bjorn Zankl,
               I'm Rob's very sexy very drunk German roommate who came in to
see how he was doing. Has he mentioned me often. Did he tell you that we have
the same birthday 21 june, but I was born in 69 and he was born in 72. He's
getting upset, so I must give him back the keyboard. It was nice meeting you
all. I am not a gay, but I've noticed that the Americans don't like the gays
much and that they are racists too. That is too bad. Rob is a really nice
person. Oh well. We'll see us.)

        forgive my roomie. he's a big softy at heart. he really isn't that
sexy in my opinion, but you're welcome to visit if you really must know. he
means well, but i'm cranky and sleepy and i think i'll go now so he can carry
me to my bed.
        on that note, i'll be off....

        ....still looking for penpals.....


        chairing the committee to re-elect zaphod.....,
        rob


        rob crawford
        susquehanna university

        rcrawfor@bell.susqu.edu

______  the pink triangle.....membership has its privileges....
\    /
 \  /
  \/ out since 1987.......

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From: MPA15AB!RANDY@TRENGA.tredydev.unisys.com
Date: 10 OCT 92 04:39
Subject: Re: Those durn 800 numbers

> Now, about the 1-800 phone numbers -- not all of the 1-800 phone numbers
> have the telephone interactive system which allows the telemarketing firm
> to know what your name and address is. Concerned Women of America does
> not have that service. When you call that number, the only information
> they get is what /you/ give them. So if you don't want them to have
> your  phone number or address, don't tell them what it is.

Just want to point out that even if they aren't signed up for real time
ANI (Automatic Number Identification), they still get your phone number
when they get their bill.

I'm not saying anyone is going to use your phone number for any purpose,
or even save it.  But it is their choice.



> Although AT&T and all the other carriers carry the originating phone
> number information on their lines, many if not all states currently
> forbid the use of this information by anyone but operators (Massachusetts
> is one of these states.)  In addition, I believe it may be possible to
> remove this information by calling through a calling card account via
> 800 access number.  Ask your local phone carrier if they forward the
> information if you are concenred.

Yes, if you call via a carrier's 800 number, where you enter a calling card
number and a phone number, your phone number is not sent as ANI.  However,
I don't think you can place 800 calls this way, because 800 calls are always
carried on the carrier of the company's choice.

Also, note that all long-distance carriers get ANI from the local phone
companies -- they have to in order to process the call.  These carriers
then supply the information to their customers.  Even if you signed up
with a carrier that promised not to deliver this information to the companies
you call, it wouldn't matter, since 800 calls are carried by the carrier
that the company chooses -- not your carrier.

I've never heard of any laws that prohibit delivery of ANI to customers or
that prevent its use by anyone other than carriers.  In fact, companies
widely use ANI.  At American Express, for example, your account shows on
the screen when the call is answered, if you are calling from your main
number.  (I hear they used to answer the phone with "American Express; how
can I help you Mr. Boesch?"  but stopped because it freaked people out.)
Still, if you call from a number other than your main number, they insist
on asking you to verify your phone number, address, employment info, etc.

Could you give me more information on these laws?  I'm very interested.


  =====================================================================
  = sua cuique voluptas              (everyone has his own pleasures) =
  = Randy Gellens            randy%mpa15ab@trenga.tredydev.unisys.com =
  = >>>>>>> If mail bounces, forward to rgellens@mcimail.com <<<<<<<< =
  = Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak only for myself =

                          Randomly selected tag:

Never put off till tomorrow what you can avoid all together.

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From: MPA15AB!RANDY@TRENGA.tredydev.unisys.com
Date: 10 OCT 92 04:45
Subject: Re: Joisy

>        the other question is this: why do we let the state of noo joisy have
> continued existence? we should just nuke it with its own waste and be rid of
> it once and for all! this point is non-negotiable. i live in penna., of my
> family lives in delaware, and we're all sick of it. i have friends who live
> in newARK del. (home of u.del.) that have to constantly hear the name of
> their beautiful town pronounced like that place in noo joisy..

You must realize that there are two joisies -- North Jersey, the cesspool of
the nation, and South Jersey, home of the famous Joisy Sho, where everyone
from Delaware goes (to make room at Rehobeth for all the gays in DC, which
is to say, most of the city).

  =====================================================================
  = sua cuique voluptas              (everyone has his own pleasures) =
  = Randy Gellens            randy%mpa15ab@trenga.tredydev.unisys.com =
  = >>>>>>> If mail bounces, forward to rgellens@mcimail.com <<<<<<<< =
  = Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak only for myself =

                          Randomly selected tag:

Unless the results are known in advance, funding agencies will
reject the proposal.

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From: MPA15AB!RANDY@TRENGA.tredydev.unisys.com
Date: 10 OCT 92 06:54
Subject: Re: Star Trek

> i'm still pissed at what they did to wesley!

Paula -- what did they do to Wesley?

  =====================================================================
  = sua cuique voluptas              (everyone has his own pleasures) =
  = Randy Gellens            randy%mpa15ab@trenga.tredydev.unisys.com =
  = >>>>>>> If mail bounces, forward to rgellens@mcimail.com <<<<<<<< =
  = Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak only for myself =

                          Randomly selected tag:

"There are three possibilities: Pioneer's solar panel has turned
away from the sun; there's a large meteor blocking transmission;
or someone loaded Star Trek 3.2 into our video processor."

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 13:20:36 -0230
From: An Anonymous Sender

I've seen a couple references lately (here and elsewhere) to "vanilla sex".
 What does this mean?  Thanks.

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: gaynet digest volume 0 is
Distribution: local
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:59:20 GMT

Paul Bobbitt <paul.bobbitt@canrem.com> writes:

>UG>I just got off the phone with the Oregon Governors office. They are
 compiling a
>UG>tally of the numbers of calls they are getting about Measure 9. Please call
>UG>them and tell them you are not in support of Measure 9. It does not mater
 where
>UG>you are from. The number of the Governor is

>UG>   503-378-3111

>Thanks for the number, Ron.  I just got off the phone with the office
>of the Governor of Oregon.  The woman there was kind enough to add my
>"No on 9" vote to the list.  She was, however, a tad surprised to hear
>that I was a citizen of Toronto, Canada.

>Let's face it, these phone polls are about the only time I get to make
>a difference in America.  Give me some more numbers!  <grin>

Ok! Here is one for the OCA itself:

[From alt.politics.homosexuality]

I just recieved this little bit of information, which
I thought you might find interesting.

Phone number for the O.C.A.: 1-(503)-682-0653

Why don't yall give 'em a call and tell 'em what you
think about them painting gays as disease-ridden promiscuous
child molesters? Why not ask them to explain the many lies
they print, such as claiming that Bill Clinton supports their
measure, when he sent a telegram to the No on 9 rally stating
otherwise, and claiming NBC lawyers had said that the measure
was in their opinion constitution (when they never did)?

I am not advocating a phone-blitz, which could tie up their
phone lines for days (weeks?), exhaust their volunteers, and
give them a taste of the storm and fury descending upon them ;)
I am simply asking a few tens of thousands of my friends to
give them a piece of their mind.

Alternatively, you could all call and ask for copies
of their literature to be sent to fictional addresses.
Each leaflet misdirected is a leaflet and stamp down the
drain.

-
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ***Clinton-Gore 92!***
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"We don't necessarily discriminate.  We simply exclude certain types of
 people." --Lt Col. Gerald Wellman, ROTC Instructor at M.I.T.,on D.O.D. 1332.14

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: LGB Musicians
Distribution: local
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:02:17 GMT

SLOMOWR@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu writes:

>I spent the summer working on a list of lgb musicians for my proposal
>for the gay radio show here at Vanderbilt.  If everyone is interested,
>I could type it up here also..
Yeah, type it up. It would be cool to promulgate the list.

>By the way, Ron Buckmire, on your list, are Dee-Lite and The Smiths really
>openly lgb?  Just wondering.. I had heard rumors but nothing substantial.
The Smiths lead singer was  MORISSEY, who most definitely is OUT. Deee-Lite
has never revealed their sexuality explicitly but are MOST definitely Queer
in my book and would not be in the slightest mad at being included. Though
DJ Dmitry and Lady Miss Kier are allegedly married to each other now.

On my show HOMO RADIO we play "gay/lesbian/bisexual artists or artists who are
gay/lesbian/bisexual affirming".
--
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ***Clinton-Gore 92!***
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"We don't necessarily discriminate.  We simply exclude certain types of
 people." --Lt Col. Gerald Wellman, ROTC Instructor at M.I.T.,on D.O.D. 1332.14

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: GAYNETTERS *on* Donahue this TUESDAY! (Re: Trent Dimas)
Distribution: local
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:05:27 GMT

LLRLF%UTXDP.BITNET@utxvm.cc.utexas.edu writes:

>Several weeks ago (when GayNet was down), I sent an inquiry about Trent
>Dimas' appearance on _Good Morning, America_ and was wondering if anyone
>out there saw this and could e-mail me as to what was said.  Phil Donahue
>had an interesting show several weeks ago about an Austin lesbian couple
>who had their wedding announcement printed in a Sunday edition of the
>_Austin American-Statesman_ and the conservatives who protested against
>it.  Glen Maxey (D-Texas) was also a guest.  Jenny Jones had a show
>dealing with gay men and lesbian women who did not fit the "stereotyping"
> mold of the lesbigay lifestyle.  Next week, one of the talk shows has a
>topic of celebrities and homosexuality.  I'll let everyone know which talk
>show it is and when it will be shown.

Even more excitingly, is the fact that two gaynetters R. Derrick Mickle and
his boyfriend [and my roomate] Jason Anderson will be taping a DONAHUE show on
inter-racial gay couples this TUESDAY. Should be fun!

-
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C. in '93!''
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"I'll tell you who is to blame, The Japanese are to blame. If they hadn't
 invented the camcorder, none of this would have happened."--Darryl Gates.

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: "Are Homosexuals Born That Way?"
Distribution: local
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:06:33 GMT

Larry Goldsmith <LGOLDSMI@PENNSAS.UPENN.EDU> writes:

>There's an excellent article in this week's _Nation_ (19 October 1992), by
>Darrell Yates Rist, called "Are Homosexuals Born That Way?"  It's about the
>dangers of a "We were born this way, we can't help it, so give us our
>rights" politics that was discussed here a few weeks ago.  I think he
>rather effectively demolishes the LeVay-ites....

Well, I suppose I could read it again but I found the article verbose, boring
and spiteful.

-
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C. in '93!''
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"I'll tell you who is to blame, The Japanese are to blame. If they hadn't
 invented the camcorder, none of this would have happened."--Darryl Gates.

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Am I Going Crazy?
Distribution: local
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:12:09 GMT

Marc V Conte <mconte@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:

>	Les Wexner, owner of The Limited and outed by Larry Kramer at Vito
>Russo's funeral, last month announced his engagement to a female lawyer from
>New York.  The TV news anchors announced this with a smirk but never
>questioned it.

Which TV NEWS ANCHORS? You mean this is a National Story?

>	Tomorrow night, Les hosts a cocktail fundraiser for George Bush.
As someone else said recently: 10% of all assholes are homosexual! [c.f. John
Schlafly]

-
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ***Clinton-Gore 92***
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"I'm so bad I can suck my own dick!"  -- L.L. Cool J

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: More positive films...
Distribution: local
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:20:37 GMT

Dan <BENN8022@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu> writes:

>Someone is apparently looking for Gay positive films...
>someone recently suggested "Torchsong Trilogy"
>How about "Maurice"?  It was adopted from an EM Forster manuscript.
>Merchant & Ivory (are they Gay?) produced.  It's a wonderful film
James Ivory and Ismail Merchant have been `partners' for over 20 years.
I have heard numerous reports that they are gay, yes.

-
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ***Clinton-Gore 92***
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"I'm so bad I can suck my own dick!"  -- L.L. Cool J

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: two things
Distribution: local
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:24:33 GMT

LAT <tate@siam.org> writes:

>          Hi...two things.  First, Ron Buckmire mentioned a manifesto
>          printed (where?) during NY Pride Week, WHY I HATE GAY MEN. I
>          don't know about others but I would be interested in reading
>          it.  Can it be posted, or does Ron (or anyone) know where I
>          could get a copy...thanks.
Sorry, the WHY I HATE GAY MEN manifesto was distributed by two members of
ACT-UP/NY at the Pride Parade. I don't know how to get more copies. I don't
even know what I did with mine. I guess I can look for it...I know there was
a mailbox.


-
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ***Clinton-Gore 92***
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"I'm so bad I can suck my own dick!"  -- L.L. Cool J

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