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From: 177wardell@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: DEC bets the company on NT?  WRONG!
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:11:44 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1993Jan8.042146.7197@fcom.cc.utah.edu>, brian@jaguar.cs.utah.edu (Brian Sturgill) writes:
> In article <1993Jan7.201659.7143@gw.wmich.edu> x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>>In article <1993Jan7.222909.20160@grebyn.com>, mfraioli@grebyn.com (Marc Fraioli) writes:
>>> In article <1993Jan7.063028.14772@fcom.cc.utah.edu> brian@jaguar.cs.utah.edu (Brian Sturgill) writes:
>>
>>	Sometimes, I really wonder how much knowledge of the computer
>>industry Brian really has.  Beyond his little publications and
>>is Academia environment he often seems ignorant of what is really going
>>on.  Speaking as someone who has a rather intimate familiarity with
>>DEC (Digital) the thought of DEC betting everything on their PC running
>>NT is sickening.  It is simply untrue.  As was pointed out, only the
>>Alpha PC (keyword PC) will be running NT.  The other DEC Alpha based
>>computers will (again, as said before) running VMS.  VMS is an 
>>excellent operating system and there are VMS like OS's from DEC that
>>are REAL TIME OS's.  
> 
> Brad... I am simply quoting trade rags, I did not say any of the above.
> I personally do not believe that DEC is betting the farm on NT, but I do
> believe that it is more important to them than you and Marc claim.
> 
> Brian
> -- 
> C. Brian Sturgill                          NeXTStep 486 is for _YOU_!!!!
> University of Utah                    Microsoft needs competition, but I want
> Center for Software Science          to be one of the many running Windows NT!
> brian@cs.utah.edu; CIS: 70363,1373    :-) :-) :-)  NT SDK: $69; (800) 227-4679

	If that is the case,  Brian, then I sincerely and publicly appologize.
However, the part I responded to were beyond the quoted segment of the
article.  However, the possibility of my error is there.

						-Brad

(I could also apologize for my  spelling problems...)



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From: rwh@moose.cccs.umn.edu (RICHARD HOFFBECK)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tidbits 01/06/93
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:31:00 GMT
Reply-To: rwh@moose.cccs.umn.edu
Organization: Colon Cancer Control Study, University of Minnesota, Minneapolis
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan11.165925.9184@Celestial.COM>, bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell) writes:
>  
> What reasons?  NT is just an another attempt by Microsoft to
> monopolize the systems software industry (I would have said OS,
> but they haven't built one since their original Xenix port).

The latest UnixWorld covers the background of NT in general and Dave
Cutler in particular.  Although, the view of the world through V5.x
glasses seems a bit dated :-)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.os.ms-windows.misc
From: lebeld@JSP.UMontreal.CA (David Lebel)
Subject: Printing problems with HP Deskjet 500
Keywords: HP Deskjet 500
Organization: Universite de Montreal -- Montreal, PQ, Canada
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:19:18 GMT

	I've quite few problems with my HP Deskjet 500 in Windows 3.1. First
of all, I'm using the included driver for the HPDJ500; second, while 
printing, I get trails of print on graphics.  It's not my ink cartridge nor
a defect in the printer as it works beautifully with an Amiga 3000.

	Is this a reported problem? Is there a problem with the Windows
drivers? I have no problems in DOS (well, in text mode), but my windows
output is all messed up.  I've printed the same sheet twice, and the
trails doesn't appear at the same place also...

	Help...
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: FCC will proclaim Microsoft is run by Communists! : )
From: feijai@endor.byu.edu (Sean Luke)
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:34:58 -0700
Reply-To: sean@digaudio.byu.edu

In article <1993Jan5.192014.6776@cs.brown.edu>  writes:

>If Microsoft is such a devil-incarnate, why doesn't some company produce an
>OS that runs adequately on a wide range of Intel-based CPUs and has  
features
>superior to MS-DOS?


Because Microsoft has such a lock on the market that such an OS simply  
cannot sell well.  DR DOS seems an able competitor to DOS, yet it has a  
miniscule market share.  Since no one can compete with Microsoft because of  
its *marketing* and *size*, Microsoft has the moral (and legal)  
responsibility of a monopoly:  to show the public (or the government) that  
it can provide high-quality services without the need for competition.   
Microsoft has clearly not done this (DOS is poor), so it's the  
devil-incarnate.  :)

It is not a question of quality--it is a question of fair competition,  
marketing, and monopolistic ethics.  This brings me to Luke's First Law of  
the Computer Industry:

	"If a product has competition, and it is the most popular,
	 then it is never the best value."

There are very few exceptions to that rule that I can think of.

--

Sean Luke
Brigham Young University                   MILK:  It Comes From Cows
sean@digaudio.byu.edu  
NeXTmail and nifty Mac stuff welcome
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: rwh@moose.cccs.umn.edu (RICHARD HOFFBECK)
Subject: Re: FCC will proclaim Microsoft is run by Communists! : )
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Reply-To: rwh@moose.cccs.umn.edu
Organization: Colon Cancer Control Study, University of Minnesota, Minneapolis
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:15:00 GMT

In article <1iqff8INNd45@shelley.u.washington.edu>, tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
> chriswa@microsoft.com (Chris Waldron) writes:
> >prior to coming to Microsoft.  Another point that I believe weakens the FTC
> >case is Apple's tight control over their hardware and system software is
> >apparently unaddressed.
>  
> Huh?  Apple is irrelevant to any FTC case against Microsoft.  If both Apple
> and Microsoft are doing things that call for an FTC investigation, there is
> no reason that the investigations would have to take place at the same time.

The potential case against MS requires that the FTC can show that the 
appropriate market is operating systems for 80x8x boxes (and even then its
pretty weak).  If you expand the market definition to include all personal
computers, then you have to address the issues of closed systems like Apples,
Amigas and the likes as well as the presence of alternatives like XENIX, UNIX,
OS/2, BSD-386, et al.  If it is anti-competitive for MS to cut a low priced
deal with OEMs, it is certainly anti-competitive for Apple to give away their
OS!  How many options do you have for Mac based OS's?  There's System 7.0,
Apple's UNIX and Mach-Ten.  My guess is that the Mach-Ten sales are minimal
compared to the first two.

If this thing ever gets to court, the HW/OS bundling that goes on with other
platforms would be one facet of any defense. Is MS's market share on Intel
based systems any higher than VMS/Ultrix on VAX, System 7 on Mac, NextStep on
the NeXT,  or AmigaDOS on Amiga?  I doubt it!

--rick
From: tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: FCC will proclaim Microsoft is run by Communists! : )
Date: 11 Jan 93 00:36:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1iqff8INNd45
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

chriswa@microsoft.com (Chris Waldron) writes:
>prior to coming to Microsoft.  Another point that I believe weakens the FTC
>case is Apple's tight control over their hardware and system software is
>apparently unaddressed.

Huh?  Apple is irrelevant to any FTC case against Microsoft.  If both Apple
and Microsoft are doing things that call for an FTC investigation, there is
no reason that the investigations would have to take place at the same time.

OK, Apple would not be totally irrelevant.  There might be some interesting
documents at Apple relating to Microsoft (anyone remember those rumors about
Apple's Macintosh BASIC being squished by Microsoft threatening to stop
all application development for the Mac if Apple sold a BASIC that wasn't
by Microsoft?).

--Tim Smith
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32,comp.sys.ibm.pc
From: tin@smsc.sony.com (Le Tin)
Subject: Call for Submissions to comp.binaries.ms-windows
Followup-To: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d
Keywords: Submissions comp.binaries.ms-windows
Organization: Sony Microsystems Corp, San Jose, CA
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:12:27 GMT

  This is a Call for Submissions to comp.binaries.ms-windows.
  The newgroup for it went out earlier today.

  Here is the charter for the group.

CHARTER

        Distribution of applications and device drivers for the Microsoft
        Windows operating system, including Windows 3.x, Windows for Work-
        groups, Windows NT and Pen Windows.  Drivers, product patches,
        shareware, demos and binaries containing source code may be
        posted if they are, in the judgement of the moderator, beneficial
        to the audience of the newsgroup and do not appear to violate
        copyright laws.

  It is a moderated newsgroup, moderator is me <tin@smsc.sony.com>

cbmsw@smsc.sony.com				Submissions should be send here
cbmsw-request@smsc.sony.com		Requests and administrivia here.

  I have a few items ready for posting, but would like more to have
  time to test them before posting.

Regards,
Tin Le
-- 
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. Tin Le                  | Work Internet: tin@smsc.Sony.COM
. Sony Microsystems       |        or  tin@szebra.Saigon.COM
. Office: (408) 944-4157  | Saigon.COM Dial in Line: (408)730-1092
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From: tto@aspentec.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: A radical idea
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:33:22 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Aspen Technology, Inc. Cambridge, MA.

I have a radical idea.  Let the federal government take over the rights
of DOS-OS/2-NT by eminent domain and turn it over to a neutral organization
like OSF.  Let this organization come up with a reasonable operating
system that everyone can use.

I don't think the government or anyone outside the software industry
realize how much the progress of software technology (and hence the whole
computing area) has been thwarted by this confusion.  It is vital
to the software industry as the HDTV standard is vital to the electronics
industry.

Just a thought.
Tak.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
Subject: Re: Tidbits 01/06/93
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:03:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.014507.2017@msi.com> bill@west.msi.com writes:
>solutions on the market.  According to a report generated from Locus
>Computing Inc, NT doesn't even come close to replacing Unix.  NT will
>appeal to Windows 3.1 users with lots of CPU/RAM/Disk space to spare who
>hate either IBM or OS/2.


	And all OS/2 users are really in-the-closet Windows haters/
	DOS lovers.

	Come off it.  There are reasons to move to NT over OS/2 that
	are solely related to deficiencies in OS/2.  (Forme, Unicode
	and security).


-- 
      Blaming "society" for your problems is like blaming clouds for rain.
 ---  boycott == coercion == censorship == closed mindedness == cowardice  ---
	      "Psalms 23:1  The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want."  
		Shepherds are for sheep.   -----      Pain teaches.
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From: bdubbs@cs.tamu.edu (Bruce Dubbs)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: The sin of MicroSoft
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:06:43 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
NNTP-Posting-Host: solar.tamu.edu

In article <1993Jan12.172153.17432@Celestial.COM> bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell) writes:
|In <1993Jan10.052832.17854@msi.com> bill@west.msi.com (Bill Poitras) writes:
|The Operating System, compilers, and underlying hardware
|architecture are tools for the system developer and programmer.
|Unfortunately MS-DOS and the Intel architecture are pretty poor
|tools.  Imagine trying to sell a lathe to a machine shop that
|only would work with pieces 64 cm long and require you to make a
|bunch of small pieces, weld them together, and file off the welds
|by hand!  Now add an unlocked tool box where other users can come
|and and take what they want at any time and don't have to put
|them back and you have a pretty good description of MS-DOS and
|Windows.

Actually, the Intel architecture isn't so bad.  You only have to enter
protected mode and you are limited to 4Gb segments.  Now the protected
mode of the Intel architecture has been around and commonly available
since the IBM AT in 1984.  It would seem that the problems you
complain about are in the OS, not the hardware.  

  -- Bruce


--
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bdubbs@neuron.tamu.edu        |  Honest Politician, Political Science,
                              |  Scrupulous Lawyer
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From: jeh@cmkrnl.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Alpha Chip (was Re: DEC bets the company on NT?  WRONG!)
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:01:28 GMT
Organization: Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego, CA

In article <C0o5Lt.Mtv@csfb1.fir.fbc.com>, jbrock@csfb1.fir.fbc.com (John Brock) writes:
> They have something called PAL code, which as I remember is a sort of
> loadable microcode (loaded from main memory, I believe!), which allows
> you to configure the chip's response to interupts and such.  It gives
> them a lot of flexibility as to what sort of operating system they want
> to run.  I don't know what they give up for it, but people do seem
> impressed.

PALcode (Privileged Architecture Library) is not microcode -- though it would
be easy to come to that conclusion from some of the early "information" that
was printed in some of the trade magazines.  It is written in the Alpha
instruction set.  It is loaded from a nonvolatile memory such as a PROM or a
console boot medium.  It is used by software as if it were an extension to the
Alpha instruction set, for example, INSQUE (actually there are two INSQUEs,
INSQUEL and INSQUEQ).  To do this, a PALcode routine is invoked by a "call PAL"
instruction.  Some PALcode routines are privileged and can be used only from
kernel mode, while others (such as INSQUEx) can be used from any mode.  

PALcode is also activated in response to interrupts and exceptions.  Interrupts
are disabled during execution of a PALcode routine. 

PALcode is also responsible for virtual address translation.  So, it is PALcode
that defines (for example) page table entry formats. 

The VMS PALcode implements the VAX IPL scheme (IPL 0 through 31) and four
memory access modes (User, Supv, Exec, and Kernel).  The OSF-1 and NT PALcode
only implement User and Kernel. 

	--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego CA
drivers, internals, networks, applications, and training for VMS and Windows-NT
uucp 'g' protocol guru and release coordinator, VMSnet (DECUS uucp) W.G., and 
Chair, Programming and Internals Working Group, U.S. DECUS VMS Systems SIG 
Internet:  jeh@cmkrnl.com, hanrahan@eisner.decus.org, or jeh@crash.cts.com
Uucp:  ...{crash,eisner,uunet}!cmkrnl!jeh
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: rwh@moose.cccs.umn.edu (RICHARD HOFFBECK)
Subject: Re: A radical idea
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Reply-To: rwh@moose.cccs.umn.edu
Organization: Colon Cancer Control Study, University of Minnesota, Minneapolis
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:46:00 GMT

In article <1ilh6lINN5kj@shelley.u.washington.edu>, tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
> z_kupkams@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
> >BTW, Nations like USSR, Poland, E. Germany, Czech, learned the hard way, just
> >how much real progress can be made if there is no incentive to keep working.
>  
> Well, they got to space first, and a lot of the world's great scientists
> were from the Soviet Union, so they certain seemed to be able to make
> real progress.

They were also the first to  suffered a complete political and economic
breakdown.  Letting the government direct our OS development seems like
a good place to start down that same path.

--rick


>  
> --Tim Smith
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras)
Subject: Re: Tidbits 01/06/93
Reply-To: bill@west.msi.com
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:45:07 GMT

Matt Kennel (mbk@lyapunov.ucsd.edu) wrote:
: What this means is that DEC won't allow the Rest of Us to buy cheap Alpha
: machines and run UNIX.
: 
: The unforunate thing is that NT is not *so* much worse than UNIX that they'd
: be really forced to do so, and instead the users will switch and put
: up with it.

I don't think Uniphiles will jump ship.  Not with Linux, 386BSD and other
solutions on the market.  According to a report generated from Locus
Computing Inc, NT doesn't even come close to replacing Unix.  NT will
appeal to Windows 3.1 users with lots of CPU/RAM/Disk space to spare who
hate either IBM or OS/2.

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| (bill)          | Sunnyvale, CA USA             |                         | 
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From: boneham@sunburn.ec.usf.edu. (Kevin Boneham (CH))
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
Subject: Windows 3.1 terminal
Date: 5 Jan 93 07:39:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of South Florida, College of Engineering

I have what should be a simple question. I have only truetype fonts
selected in the control panel of the main menu. This leaves about
5 fonts available from the original distribution fonts. However, in
the terminal program, I can only access "Courier". Is there a way to
use the rest?

					kevin

					boneham@suntan.ec.usf.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
From: HKAMENS@kentvm.kent.edu
Subject: Arche Technologies
Organization: Kent State Univ.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:15:28 GMT

Does anybody have an Archie Technologies computer? I have a 386-25 with 8 meg
of ram (originally 2). I purchased the machine in 1990 and have upgraded the
BIOS. I am having all sorts of trouble getting Windows 3.1 to run on it in
a stable mode.
 
Problem 1: If I try to load Smartdrv with no parameters I get the message back:
"Error loading USER.EXE" and I am obviously back in DOS. If I tell it to use
only 512K memory for Windows it will allow me to load Windows but it is still
unstable.
 
Without Smartdrv I can get into Windows but still have problems. They tend to
fall into two catagories. The first is a message concerning "invalid true
type fonts". I am using only fonts from major packages: the add on package
from MS and PrintShop Deluxe for Windows. The problem is sporadic. It happens
regularly in Quicken 2.0 but rarely in Word For Windows.
 
I also get a lot of errors in some Windows Programs. Few to none in Notepad
Write, Visual Basic etc. More in Excel and I can not even run Access. The
programs come back with messages such as "Error in " some exe or dll. The
filespec is usually a file from the program I am trying to run although some
time it is Kernel.exe or GDI.exe.
 
I've tried simplifying my config.sys & autoexec.bat to match windows resource
kit recommendations but no change.
 
The few DOS programs I use run like a charm. These are games and they are
the newer memory intensive ones with lots of graphics.
 
So I really think my problem is in windows and probably specific to my
maching. Does anybody out there have an Arche computer who can try to
help?
 
Harry Kamens
Budget Officer
Kent State University Library
Kent, OH  44242
 
BITNET: HKAMENS@KENTVM
Voice:  (216) 672-2962        Fax:  (216) 672-2265
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
Subject: Re: setting up QVTNET with Wind. for work
From: dskeeler@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Dennis S. Keeler)
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:31:28 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Miami University

In article <aksurf-050193174533@131.215.9.51>, aksurf@caltech.edu (Axel) writes:
> Hey, I too am looking for some information on how to do that. I am trying
> to run windows for workgroups and qvtnet. I have discovered that when I
> load the packet driver for NCSA telnet (In my case, it's called 8003pkdr
> for an SMC Elite 16 series ethernet card) and the interface TSR called
> pktint, QVTNET takes control of the network, i.e. it doesn't allow ms
> windows to access the network. If anyone out there knows of a TCP/IP NDIS
> configuaration compatible protocol, please let me know. Please E-mail me at
> aksurf@caltech.edu, and post on the network, since I am shure there will be
> others who need this info.
> 
	At hsdndev.harvard.edu in pub/dispkt there is a new version of the
dispkt packet driver. You may want to use this instead of 8003pkdr. It uses
NDIS information to access your card.
________________________________________________________________________________
Dennis S. Keeler                |  "Common sense is that thin veneer of
Miami University                |    prejudice we acquire before the
DSKEELER@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu  |    age of 17." - Albert Einstein
DSKEELER@miavx1.bitnet          |
From: gcook@horus.cem.msu.EDU (Greg Cook|xxxxxx)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
Subject: Re: Verrrrrry Slow Dos Prompt BOX
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:21:30 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: horus.cem.msu.edu

From article <1993Jan4.093626.3320@pony.Ingres.COM>, by jonm@Ingres.COM (Don't Judge a book by your cover):
> I have set up my dos prompt to be windows within the PIF setup.
> I have 4M using a 486 33MHz.  I have about 12M of swap space set up.
> 
> Why why why why does the machine hang for abominably long periods when I try
> to do average commands like copy/del etc.  I have done the same on a little
> compaq/386 and there was no problem?

While in PIF editor, advanced options, try setting your foreground priority
to 1000.  This allows the fullest priority to the DOS window while it's 
active but still allows WINDOWS to take care of business in the background.

That should help to speed things up!

     Gregory R. Cook         |  INTERNET:    gcook@horus.cem.msu.edu
 Department of Chemistry     |               cookgreg@student.msu.edu
Michigan State University    |  BITNET:      cook@msucem.BITNET
 East Lansing, MI  48824     |  COMPUSERVE:  74170,3010
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