HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rich@grayhawk.rent.com (Richard Harms)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: using uux in the sys file?
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:23:46 GMT
Organization: Des Moines, Iowa, Public Access Unix; 515/277-6753
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Larry Snyder (larry@gator.rn.com) wrote:
: rich@grayhawk.rent.com (Richard Harms) writes:
: >Recently, I had a site ask me for a connection for unbatched/uncompressed
: >news... no problem I though, c-news had the same line for doing this:
: 
: ># sample insignificant feed not using batching (for special situations only)
: >huey:news.config,to.huey/all::uux - -r -gd huey!rnews
: 
: I set my uncompressed newsfeed up in the batchparms file -- and specified
: an "unbatched" feed to a specific site using "nocomp"
: 
: site		4000000	20	batcher	nocomp	viauux

They couldn't even have it batched because of a limitation of their gateway
software... *barf*

Anyway, from talking to henry@zoo.toronto.edu a while back:
>>I also found:
>>-rw-rw-r--   1 news     news          16 Aug  9 15:45 uux - -r -gd iamug!rnews
>>in my out.going directory, but I think that way from an accidentaly
>>':f:' which I had in for a while - I don't think it was the cause.
> 
>Ahhh, on the contrary, *this* sounds like exactly what would be needed to
>account for the symptoms.  Sendbatches doesn't expect to find anything
>but directories in out.going, so it takes that as a directory name.
>Except that it's also not expecting to find directory names with spaces
>in them, so it takes it as several directory names.  And naturally none
>of those directories exist, hence the complaints.

It just turned out that that directory had accidently been created, and I
didn't notice it to remove it - did an rmdir on it (what a fun name too)
and everything was fine.

-rh
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From: gt5870c@prism.gatech.EDU (Noah White)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Help transmitting articles with Cnews (please :)
Date: 22 Aug 92 05:44:19 GMT
Organization: Universal Exports


  I am have a lot of difficulty transmitting articles back up stream (we are a
leaf). The articles that get posted on our system are not going back to our
feed. I have a crontab entry which runs nntpsend.sh however it doesn't seem
to be working. I have nntpxmit compiled etc. I think it may be a problem with
my sys file as I am not completly sure of it's syntax. I have the following
for sending back articles upstream:

gatech/gatech:to,comp,git/usa,world,git,ga:f:gatch/togo

does this look right? Thanks!

---
Noah White
From: jim@tiamat.fsc.com ( IT Manager)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: Cnews regression test
Summary: figured it out
Date: 22 Aug 92 02:48:30 GMT
Organization: Ahlstrom Filtration - Chattanooga,TN

OK, I think I figured most of this out.

In article <3772@tiamat.fsc.com>, jim@tiamat.fsc.com ( IT Manager) writes:
> How big should I expect the database files to get when I run
> make rs
> from the conf directory (or 'make r' from dbz)?
> 
> My first attempts were with gcc, v1.39 - with and without -O - and in both
> case the 'dbase.pag' file was getting very large (~ 7MB the second time I
> decided to stop).  Then, I recompiled with SCO's cc - without -O - and the
> test seems to be creating a smaller .pag file (it's still running as I
> type this).

OK, I finally paid enough attention to the output of 'make rs' to realize
that CC and COPTS were not getting passed by conf/Makefile, so I editted
dbz/Makefile by hand and was able to get things to work just fine.  I was able
to get the dbz tests to work with 

CC=cc COPTS=
CC=gcc COPTS=-O -traditional
CC=gcc COPTS=-traditional

I didn't run any true measurements, but gcc and -O "felt" faster (both in
build and run times).

So, the moral of the story, is that the warnings about dbz and -O with the SCO
compiler apply to building programs that USE the dbz routines, as well as
building the dbz library (or object file, I don't remember which right off
hand).  The hints I had seen didn't seem to completely point this out.

Later.
------------- 
James B. O'Connor                                     jim@tiamat.fsc.com
Information Technology Manager                        voice 615/821-4022 x651
Ahlstrom Filtration, Inc.                             fax   615/821-0616
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From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Expire question
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:16:26 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <1992Aug14.200840.4694@homebase.vistachrome.com> andy@homebase.vistachrome.com writes:
>Easy question, I hope.  Does expire work on the article date,
>or on the received date, for the length of time before expiration.

C News expire works on the date the article arrived on your system (in
the absence of an explicit expiry date in the article).
-- 
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mistakes, but... make *new* ones. -D.Sim|  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.nntp
From: mark@drd.com (Resident.Alien)
Subject: Re: Announcing the release of InterNetNews
Organization: DRD Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:17:13 GMT

We currently have a year-old or so installation of C-News running
as our news transport and are connected wholly via UUCP links.  Would
there be any reason at all for a site like us to transit to INN?  I noted
the mention of UUCP in your note.  Are C-News and INN mutually exclusive
choices or do they overlap?
-- 
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DRD Corp., 5506 South Lewis Ave., Tulsa, OK 74105         (918)745-9037 fax
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.nntp
From: rog@Ingres.COM (Roger Taranto)
Subject: Re: Announcing the release of InterNetNews
Organization: Ingres, An ASK Company, Alameda, CA 94501
Date: 22 Aug 92 02:42:03 GMT

The INN Install.ms says (on page 19) that "There have been reports that
the VAX Ultrix 4.2 _malloc_ doesn't work well with _innd_...."

Does anyone have any more info on this?  I'd like to install INN on a
the aforementioned machine.

Thanks,
-Roger
rog@ingres.com
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer)
Subject: Re: Double filing due to cross-post to active file aliased groups in Cnews
Organization: Software Tool & Die Netnews Research Center
	<BsHnEv.GtB@world.std.com> <1992Aug12.155043.9288@becker.GTS.ORG>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 10:21:18 GMT

Bruce Becker:
> I'd like to request that when you do, you include a separate aliasing
> facility that (gasp!) actually rewrites the Newsgroups:  line (using
> another token such as ">" for the active file reference).

relaynews doesn't and won't modify headers, so relaynews won't be
providing such a facility.  It's possible that inews will.
-- 
Geoff Collyer		world.std.com!geoff, uunet.uu.net!geoff

``Leave the evil grasping to us.'' - A. L. Arms, UNIX licensing, WECo.
From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: Expire question
Date: 15 Aug 92 03:00:46 GMT
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada

In article <BszsFH.Exn@zoo.toronto.edu> henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.200840.4694@homebase.vistachrome.com> andy@homebase.vistachrome.com writes:
>>Easy question, I hope.  Does expire work on the article date,
>>or on the received date, for the length of time before expiration.

>C News expire works on the date the article arrived on your system (in
>the absence of an explicit expiry date in the article).

Ditto B news.

Furthermore, the "Date:" field is replaced with the date of arrival
if the original Date: is unparseable.  Nowadays, B new's date parser
does a very lousy job.

Basing it on posting date would be rather silly - back in the old days
before all of the NNTP fields, articles frequently took a week or more
to propagate over the whole net.  Sometimes it still does ;-)
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From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Subject: Re: Announcing the release of InterNetNews
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 14:16:09 GMT

I'd like to try INN, but one of the things about my current CNews/NNTP
installation that's important to my site is the ability to serve thread
data via NNTP to readers (I have both the trn "XTHREAD" and tin "XINDEX"
patches installed on my nntpd).

Can these patches be fairly easily adapted to INN's nnrpd?  Or can I 
maybe use my current nntpd as a replacement for INN's nnrpd until such
a time as the newsreader provide support for nnrpd?
--
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Xref: sparky news.software.b:2780 news.software.nntp:1020
From: per@erix.ericsson.se (Per Hedeland)
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Announcing the release of InterNetNews
Date: 23 Aug 92 16:04:49 GMT
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden

In article <inn-announce-real@uunet.uu.net> rsalz@news.UU.NET (Rich
Salz) writes:
>INN assumes that memory is cheap and fast while disks are slow.

Sounds like just the thing we need - but, while I understand that the
design will cause much less disk I/O for the news transport, *reading*
does most of the beating on the disk on our server (as I suppose is
normally the case for a server that provides both). Will INN alleviate
this too? - I don't suppose nnrpd picks up the articles directly from
innd with IPC, but perhaps there are some "side effects" that will cause
reading to be less disk intensive? (All transport and the vast majority
of reading on this server is via NNTP, btw.)

>INN does not include a newsreader.  It does provide a version of the NNTP
>reference implementation "clientlib" routines so that rrn and other
>newsreaders compile with little trouble.  The next release of xrn will
>include INN support.

Is it necessary to rebuild newsreaders? I can't see anything in the
nnrpd man page that isn't backwards compatible with the current nntp
implementation, and browsing xrn 6.18beta the "INN support" seems to
consist of:

- Using INN configuration info in preference to whatever is compiled-in,
  which is surely optional (and IMHO the fact that the *server* is
  running INN shouldn't imply anything about what's available on the
  *client*)

- Not generating a Path: line, and requiring a Subject: line, on
  postings - but INN inews appears to honor Path: if included in the
  article, and require a Subject: line as well?

--Per Hedeland
per@erix.ericsson.se  or
per%erix.ericsson.se@sunic.sunet.se  or
...uunet!erix.ericsson.se!per

PS Thanks for reviving the Lines: header!
From: jim@tiamat.fsc.com ( IT Manager)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Cnews regression test
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:33:02 GMT
Organization: Ahlstrom Filtration - Chattanooga,TN

There has been a lot of discussion about Cnews's dbz and SCO Unix lately.
My question is WRT to the 'regression tests'.

How big should I expect the database files to get when I run

make rs

from the conf directory (or 'make r' from dbz)?

My first attempts were with gcc, v1.39 - with and without -O - and in both
case the 'dbase.pag' file was getting very large (~ 7MB the second time I
decided to stop).  Then, I recompiled with SCO's cc - without -O - and the
test seems to be creating a smaller .pag file (it's still running as I
type this).

Since 'gcc' usually seems to produce faster and smaller programs, what am I
telling it wrong to make it mess up dbz?  Some people have said "use gcc"
and optimize all you want, but I still seem to have trouble.

The gcc options I use are:

-O -traditional -fno-asm -fpcc-struct-return -finline-functions
	-fstrength-reduce

In both cases, I'm using '-lmalloc -lc_s' as addiitonal libraries.

Thanks.
------------- 
James B. O'Connor                                     jim@tiamat.fsc.com
Information Technology Manager                        voice 615/821-4022 x651
Ahlstrom Filtration, Inc.                             fax   615/821-0616
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer)
Subject: Re: Installation problems with C-news performance release
Organization: Software Tool & Die Netnews Research Center
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 10:28:53 GMT

Andy Brager:
>Yeah, I can probably hack to get it to work, but I'd rather have an
>"officially fixed" version if possible.  Are there patches I should have
>gotten?

There is no officially-fixed release of the Performance Release, nor are
there formal patches.  You need to pick up
ftp.uu.net:news/cnews/known.problems (a.k.a.
uunet!~/news/cnews/known.problems).
-- 
Geoff Collyer		world.std.com!geoff, uunet.uu.net!geoff

``Leave the evil grasping to us.'' - A. L. Arms, UNIX licensing, WECo.
Xref: sparky news.software.b:2754 news.software.nntp:1002
From: bdb@becker.GTS.ORG (Bruce Becker)
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: mail2news patch for mailing to multiple newsgroups
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:01:52 GMT
Organization: G. T. S., Toronto, Ontario

In article <1992Aug18.154907.24558@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> edguer@ces.cwru.edu (Aydin Edguer) writes:
|
|IMNSHO, you should not permit crossposting to mailing lists.  Period.
|IMNSHO, you should not permit followup messages to mailing lists.  Period.
|
|Both of these "features" of newsgroups cause major grief to mailing list
|recipients.


	It's east to handle followups to newsgroups that
	are locally injected into news from a mailing list.


	For example, if mailing list "funky-worm" gets
	injected into newsgroup "mlist.funky-worm", it
	gets an "Approved: " header on the way thru, since
	the newsgroup should be moderated with an entry
	in the $NEWSCTL/mailpaths file pointing to the
	mailing list email address.


	That way when followups occur they go to the
	list, rather than what often happens in a mail
	reader, where the "From: " line ends up pointing
	to the original submitter.


	Crosspostings should work correctly as well...



-- 
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Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: andy@homebase.vistachrome.com (Andy Finkenstadt)
Subject: Expire question
Reply-To: andy@homebase.vistachrome.com
Organization: Vista-Chrome Incorporated
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:08:40 GMT

Easy question, I hope.  Does expire work on the article date,
or on the received date, for the length of time before expiration.

For example, if I have some group set for a 2 day expire, and an
article arrives that is 3 days old, will it expire 2 days later
(after reception) or the next time expire is run (after inception),
or will it be junked as stale news?  Are there any other choices?

-Andy

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Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.nntp
From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Re: Announcing the release of InterNetNews
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:47:19 GMT

Rich, does INN include some dummy interfaces to look like relaynews,
ie. a program that takes a file with a batch of articles and stuffs it
at innd?  Or will I have to rewrite tools that currently call relaynews
with single articles and/or batches?

I presume it has an rnews program so that incoming batches that arrive via
uucp or other non net paths can be decompressed and fed into innd.  If so,
then a dummy relaynews is not far away.
-- 
Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
From: ccsdhd@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk (Dennis Davis)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: reading doc/problems (was Re: c-news compiling on SCO)
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:12:14 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK

In article <1992Aug17.182046.7566@Warren.MENTORG.COM> tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>In <Bt4x5o.Ez8@world.std.com> geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer) writes:
>
>>    stuff.  Note, in particular, that the Formatter Police are not going to
>>    come and drag you away for reading the raw sources, which are not very
>>    complicated or hard to read.  If you absolutely can't read anything
>
>Do we know that this is true?  If someone has been taken away by
>the Formatter Police we would never hear from them again, would
>we?
>
>Tom (who is too afraid to try it, so he always uses nroff) Limoncelli

Of course you can tell.  The Formatter Police always send them
back, to avoid creating disorderly holes in the fabric of the
Universe/Internet.  But they always get sent back suitably
homogenised, pasteurised or whatever.  (Could we say they have been
troffed ?)  These returned people are always the round pegs that
can be fitted into round holes.  Normal people are *always*
square.
-- 
Dennis Davis, BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK
D.H.Davis@bath.ac.uk
From: monty%roscom@think.com (Monty Solomon)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: reclaim discarded news?
Date: 20 Aug 92 07:39:55 GMT
Reply-To: Monty Solomon <roscom!monty@think.com>
Organization: Proponent

We are running the 22Dec91 realease of C News and got the following message  
from uucp:
	incoming news discarded due to space shortage

Is there any way to use the ihave/sendme protocol or some other mechanism to  
get our newsfeed to resend the discarded news?

Is it possible to reconstruct a togo file from the history file(s)?

Thanks.

Monty
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Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: art@wvus.org (Art Nicolaysen)
Subject: Re: C news administration
Reply-To: art@wvus.org (Art Nicolaysen)
Organization: World Vision U.S.
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 10:39:23 GMT
Keywords: cnews admin book 

In article <1992Aug21.110900.24291@newstand.syr.edu> john@cat.syr.edu (John Kastler) writes:
>In the biblio file in the cnews distribution (doc/biblio) 
>it mentions the book "Managing UUCP and Usenet".  The file 
>says "it  is overwhelmingly  the right place for a novice 
>system administrator."
>
>Is this "the" book to have if your system is on the Internet?  
>I've heard it is a good book for news in general.
>
>Thanks for any input you can provide.
>
>John

This book is useful up to a point, but will not cover Internet-related
topics.  I would suggest you also get Evi Nemeth's "Unix Systems 
Administration Handbook" -- it's the yellow one with the cartoon on 
the cover.  

I have a list of "nice-to-have" books that deal with system
administration issues; let me know if you want me to email you a copy.


-----------------------------------------+----------------------------------
  "Always do right.  You will gratify    | Art Nicolaysen    art@wvus.org
   some people, and astonish the rest" 	 |
  		     Mark Twain		 | (somewhere in los angeles county)
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From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: Gateway between mailing lists and News
Date: 21 Aug 92 10:24:59 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In <1992Aug17.185956.1@acad3.alaska.edu>, fsnlb@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
> One of the projects in our systems department involves gatewaying mailing lists
> into ANU News.  I'm trying to find a way to provide a gateway between mailing
> lists on bitnet and a local newsgroup in ANU News.  Is there a patch or software
> available for doing this?  I'd appreciate any input about this.  Thanks in
> advance.

First, you need an account that is subscribed to the mailing list.
Modify your periodic batch job to extract the incoming email and use
the ADD FILE command to add it to the local database.  Then create the
newsgroup using:

NEWS> CREATE NEWSG bit.whatever/MAILLIST

and put in the address of the mailing list when asked. This assumes
you have a recent enough version of NEWS to support the /MAILLIST
qualifer. If not, then the latest productional version is available
via anonymous ftp from kuhub.cc.ukans.edu.  By the way, ANU News
questions should probably be asked in news.software.anu-news.
-- 
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From: a3@rivm.nl (Adri Verhoef)
Subject: Re: Double filing due to cross-post to active file aliased groups in Cnews
Organization: Rijksinstituut voor Volksgezondheid en Milieuhygiene,Bilthoven,NL
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 02:51:03 GMT

Bruce Becker:
>> I'd like to request that when you do, you include a separate aliasing
>> facility that (gasp!) actually rewrites the Newsgroups:  line (using
>> another token such as ">" for the active file reference).

WHy would you want to rewrite the Newsgroups: line?
I consider this anomalous behaviour.  If an article passes through a site
that rewrites the Newsgroups: line, the article may end up in a newsgroup
that isn't passed on through to the next site.  Article exit.  News @ 11.
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From: gt5870c@prism.gatech.EDU (Noah White)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Cnews batching question
Date: 17 Aug 92 03:02:44 GMT
Organization: Universal Exports


    I was the one who had inews posting problems before (I was using the NNTP
inews instead of the cnews inews). Well I fixed it that's to all your great
help! Thanks!

    I am having one last (hopefully, knock on wood bang, bang) problem. It
appears Cnews is is putting all postings into the in.comming directory in
/var/spool/news and it waiting for newsrun to be executed before they are
posted, however, I stated (in the build script) that I was impatient and 
wanted my news articles processed immediatly not quequed as it seems to
be doing. Does anyone know how I can change this so I immediate see the 
postings? Thanks!

----
Noah White


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