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From: jmckee@world.std.com (Jim McKee)
Subject: Larry Kramer Interview in Advocate
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:37:31 GMT

Just letting folks know that part 1 (of 2) of a great interview
with Larry Kramer appears in the current issue of The Advocate.
Larry, who could never be accused of being tactful, takes on
almost everyone in this one. Worth the read.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: What Gay Sex (was Re: How Many Homosexuals?)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 03:18:01 GMT


In article <1992Nov17.000530.29451@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu
(Nelson Minar) writes:

>damn, and here I'd parsed "autochthonous" as
>
>    auto-chthonous

>which any student of obscure words will recognize as being a bizarre
>way to say "self-destructive". 

I think "chthonic" (also "chthonian") means: of or
pertaining to the gods or spirits of the underworld (from
khthon, earth).

I hadn't though of chthonic as referring to destructiveness,
but I guess it could.

Strange how a word (and really, it didn't seem to me such a
high-falutin' word as all that) itself gets to be a subject.

I'm content to leave being Mozart to Tom Flesher, since the
part would now be a touch too chthonic for me.  Even
Beethoven is not someone I'd want to be, for I'd be writing
my last quartet right about now.  I could stand being Bach,
I guess, for I'd have eight more years and the Art of Fugue
still ahead of me.

<> Fame is vapor; popularity an accident; the only earthly
<> certainty is oblivion. -- Mark Twain
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Subject: do you know a minor german princess? no, but if you humm a few bars...
Summary: "houston, we have lift off"  -- not joe satriani
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 15:26:20 GMT

In article <74175@apple.apple.COM> richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
>thaaang writes:
>>'I'm a minor German princess myself, but...'
>Hmmm.  I was going to pipe up and say "diminished", but you are so much
>more *interesting* when you are, ah, "augmented".

>I had better watch what I say around here; if I don't see sharp, I'm
>gonna be flat.

dont fret over it.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Michelle Elliot
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:34:34 GMT

[]
I lost your email address.
--
           Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado

       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: "paul bobbitt" <paul.bobbitt@canrem.com>
Subject: queers in military in
Reply-To: "paul bobbitt" <paul.bobbitt@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 22 Nov 92 13:53:47 EST

RB>cf379@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (J. Alan) writes:

>I'm fairly sure Canada lets queers into the military, and
>even did studies to see what happened -- answer: NOTHING.
>
RB>Well, Canada only started letting Queers into the military because of a court
RB>ruling that occurred just about three weeks ago.

Actually, Queers were allowed in the military if they were already 
there.  They were blocked from promotion or further training, but they
weren't kicked out. 

Now, however, they can apply and no one will ask if they're queer, and
even if they did, it's illegal to hold it against them.

I'm not so sure if I would use Canada as an example for your military
leaders.  We don't have the defensive capability to withstand a 
concerted effort by the New York City police force to take over our
country.  <grin>

Paul D. Bobbitt
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi,alt.homosexual
From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Re: Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual Relatives?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:08:32 GMT

 (U60145@uicvm.uic.edu) wrote:
>      I was wondering, how many of you have relatives that are also
> gay/lesbian/bi?  I myself am bisexual and have an aunt that is lesbian,
> and one of my good friends who is gay has a gay uncle.  I seem to meet
> alot of people with this same situation.  It just seems to me to bring
> the conclusion of genetic choice, not personal choice.
 
Seems like an interesting question.  If distribution of gay, lesbian,
and bi people is random, you'd _expect_ to find someone in your own
family, besides yourself, if you know 20 relatives or so. 

I have a great-aunt who's lesbian, I think, but I haven't asked her
directly.

Mike Drayton      mdrayton@sr.hp.com       Hewlett-Packard Co.
                                           Santa Rosa, California
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Re: Thanks/Psych?/G'bye
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:40:12 GMT

Arnold Gum (gum@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM) wrote:
> Motssers:
> 
> Thank you all for your friendly support over the last two years or so.  I'd
> have never made it out without you.  Jess: thanks for patiently explaining 
> things over the phone that one night a very long time ago.  It seems I'll 
> be leaving techno-weenie-dom to pursue a career in psych/counseling.
> It seemed the most meaningful way for me to help the community through some
> real hard times.  

Congratulations, Arnold!  I think it's great that you're making this
big change.  It strikes a chord in me, because I hope that some day
I'll be able to do something similar.  I'd like to feel like I'm
contributing more directly to the welfare of our society, and a 
little less to the salaries of some big shots.

Mike Drayton      mdrayton@sr.hp.com       Hewlett-Packard Co.
                                           Santa Rosa, California
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:55:19 GMT

In article <Bxtpv1.B15@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
>
>In article <BxsBwH.EGF@queernet.org>, rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>|> In article <1992Nov15.162201.11450@wixer.cactus.org>, lazarus@wixer.cactus.org
>|> (Michael Lax) writes:
>|> |> Some of us think he's a hunk, others think he's white trash.
>|> 
>|> Some of us think he's both.
>
>And therefore find ourselves getting a bit fluffy when we 
>look at him.
>
>I wouldn't push him off if he sat on *my* face.
>
Oh.  Is there a queue forming?  :-)
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart & "Space Age"
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 00:57:46 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1e9nj1INN4ep@mizar.usc.edu> <1992Nov17.053627.25536@reed.edu>
  <1992Nov17.123411.16194@macc.wisc.edu> <1992Nov17.154647.29412@osf.org>

Robert Coren writes:
>Jess Anderson writes:
>> Young man!  I remind you that this is a decent, upstanding
>> newsgroup and that your remarks are spread, er,
>> disseminated, er, broadcast all over Wisconsin, where our
>> motto is "Eat cheese or die."
>                       ^^
>Not "and"? All that nice saturated animal-based fat... instant
>cholesterol!
>
>:-) (-:

Good thing you put those smilies in, or someone might have
thought you were actually *serious*.

Before I cut back on the cheese and butter for purely caloric
reasons (trying to make there be LESS of me for my Levi's to
go around), I had a blood test done as part of a physical.

A "normal" reading for cholesterol is 180; mine was 153.

My doctor started complimenting me on the fact that I "must eat 
a very healthy diet...." It was all I could do to keep from
laughing in his face and telling him I went through (on average)
1.5lb of butter and 0.5lb of cheese per WEEK -- and some not
insignificant amount of whole milk to drink with it all. And
then of course, there's all that peanut butter.....

Admittedly, I don't consume "Dead Animal Body;" that may well
have something to do with it. All the cholesterol I consume
comes from dairy products.
 
() Isn't it strange that the same people who laugh at gypsy
() fortune-tellers take economists seriously?
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From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
Subject: Re: Don't boycott all of Colorado
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:08:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: fc.Bxx8yr.KxJ
Reply-To: marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Kevin Malloy (DoD #106) (kpm@druhi.ATT.COM) wrote:
: Voting _yes_ on Amendment #2 
: were all of suburban Denver, Longmont and Broomfield (Boulder County), 
: Larimer County (includes Ft. Collins but I haven't seen the precinct breakout),

I never saw it reported as Fort Collins per se, but I do have the precinct
breakdown if someone really wants to add it up.  I know *my* precinct voted it
down.  I've also been told that it was defeated within city limits, but I have
no real confirmation of that.  However, it was reported to have passed
overwheliming in Loveland, and of course in LaPorte, home of the Reverend Pete
"execute all homosexuals" Peters.

--
Marc Sabatella
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
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 enforce any ... ordinance ... whereby homosexual, lesbian, or bisexual
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All opinions expressed herein are my personal ones
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From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (A Frank Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: bear vs. twink
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 19:48:26 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Nov19.180003.1835@spdcc.com>

Speaking purely of the physical:

I don't care if a guy is hairy or smooth, white, black, brown
or yellow, younger or older.  If he's beefy, I'm a happy guy.
If he's real compact and beefy, I'm as close to heaven as living
flesh can get!

I could watch Pro Wrestling on ESPN for hours.  Oh, if only they'd
go back to the good old days of wrestling naked.

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
From: ST402341@brownvm.brown.edu (Gary Byma)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: A FABulous quote.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:47:44 EST
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu
News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

   I have a question that I feel certain that such a large and
esoteric group as soc.motss can help me with. I have a quote
that I would like the correct attribution for. The friend from
whom I got the quote obtained it from a commentary on the book
of Mark (of all places) by William Lane, but indicates that Mr.
Lane was quoting someone else only didn't say who. It's such a
stellar quote that I believe the originator deserves the credit:

"They drew a circle that shut me out -- rebel, heretic, thing to flout.
But love and I had the wit to win -- we drew a circle that took them in."


Gary Byma
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Care to flame a bigot?
Keywords: bigot flame prejudice homosexuality
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:43:33 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <Bxzu2B.9oL@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!) writes:

>(1) HOW CAN A MAN LOOK AT ANOTHER MANS HARRY ASS AND FIND LOVE AND
>THEN CLAIM TO BE MENTALY STABLE.

>(2) HOW DO YOU THINK AIDS STARTED. GRANTED, NOW YOU CAN GET IT BY HETROSEXUAL
>MEANS, BUT THATS JUST BECAUSE OF BYSEXUAL PEOPLE GIVING IT TO THE OPPISITE
>SEX.

>(3) SO GIVEN THAT STATEMENT WHY SHOULD WE LET HOMOSEXUAL PEOPLE LIVE LET ALONE
>GIVE THEM RIGHTS IN OUR (BY OUR I MEAN EVERY SEXUALY NORMAL PERSON) COUNTRY.
>NOW FOR YOUR QUESTIONS. HOMOSEXUALITY CAN'T BE A FAMILY VALUE BECAUSE

[...]

>                                     PRESIDENT OF P.A.F
>                                      JOHNITHEN SCOTT KEYSER III
>P.S. P.A.F  (PEOPLE AGINST FAGS)      ^^^^^^^^^	      ^^^

OK, so this might be a dimwitted, redneck satire of Clayton Cramer, but...

Now, besides the content, we have prima facie evidence
that ignorance is passed down from generation to generation:

Three generations of misspelling "Jonathan".

Sort of ironic that the Keyser scion claims knowledge of the Bible, huh?

Perhaps he just missed the story of David and Jonathan.

Brian
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics,co.general,talk.politics.misc,co.politics.amend2.discuss,boulder.general,csu.general
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Support the boycott (was Re: Don't boycott all of Colorado)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:40:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.162541.21114@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jyoder@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Yoder) writes:
>	Actually it is a Federal Statute having to do with defacing federal
>property, the fact that it was reported in the Colorado Daily has nothing
>to do with the fact that it unlawful in the US to deface federal property.
>I kinda wonder tho, since this is a government by the people . . .etc, how
>can it be unlawful to deface our own property?

Let's see... The Interstate highways are also public property. Does that
mean I can declare a 100ft strech of I-25 to be my 1/250,000,000th share,
and start charging tolls? Public property is supposed to be used for
the general good (as determined by our trustees, the federal government)
not as any one individual wishes.

                                                   Frank Crary
                                                   CU Boulder

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: TORCH SONG (was Re: Effeminacy/Butchitude (was Re: discrimination at CMU))
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:16:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.215940.9309@netcom.com>, jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
> In article <1ei6rsINNfpq@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> >
> >Arne (who's never actually *heard* "wake me when you're done, Arne",
> >but who's had people fall asleep on him)
> 
> *On* you?  That might be fun.
> 
> In any case' "Wake me when you're done" is probably better than "is it in
> yet?"

  Or "Where's the 2x4 to strap to my butt so I don't fall in."
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
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From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Size of LGB Vote
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:37:34 GMT
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA

In article <17701@bcars664.bnr.ca>, hwt@bcarh11a.BNR.CA (Henry Troup) writes:
> In article <1dc7p1INN5pp@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>,
> his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM (Howard Solomon - SunExpress Support
> Engineer) writes:
> |>population, but about 5% of the vote because JEWS VOTE.  I wonder whether
> |>gays tend to vote or tend not too. 
> 
> Someone during (US) election coverage claimed that 96% of gays vote. 
> Seemed high, 96% of any group is incredible. (Except that 100% of voters
> vote, eh?)

  This seems like yet another specious statistic. For starters, nobody
knows how many gay people there are -- not even the not in the closet 
gay identified variety. How then does one estimate their voting patterns
or income or toilet paper preferences?
  If had to guess, I would think that gay people are only a little
bit less apathetic than your average joe -- but I could easily be
wrong toward the apathectic side.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Colorado Memory Systems & Non-Discrimination
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:04:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.173637.19358@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>	Now the other question is - it is poosible to start
>court battles at the Federal level for something occuring at the state
>level if the battle isn't allowed to be fought?  If so then we
>have a way out that might make it easier to overturn CO:2.

I *strongly* recommend the television show "I'll Fly Away,"
especially to youngsters and Yankees.  It's set around 1960
in North Carolina and deals with the civil rights movement
in considerable detail and subtlety.  A number of the
issues raised around how the movement was conducted translate
very well to the contemporary GLB rights movement.

The reason that I bring it up here is that a current thread
has the protagonist, who used to be the District Attorney
in his town and now works in the same town for the Justice
Department, is dealing with a case where a group of white
men was acquitted of the murder of a black Army officer in
what was clearly an unfair trial.  Murder is not a federal
crime, so Bedford [Forrest Bedford, his son's name is
Nathan - is that cute, or what?] decides to prosecute the
men for denying the murdered officer his civil rights.
Again, I strongly recommend the show.
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           Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado

       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi,alt.homosexual
From: palane@iastate.edu (Paul A. Lane)
Subject: Re: Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual Relatives?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:38:52 GMT

In <92328.053515U60145@uicvm.uic.edu> <U60145@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>     I was wondering, how many of you have relatives that are also
>gay/lesbian/bi?  I myself am bisexual and have an aunt that is lesbian,
>and one of my good friends who is gay has a gay uncle.  I seem to meet
>alot of people with this same situation.  It just seems to me to bring
>the conclusion of genetic choice, not personal choice.

I have a gay relative. However, simply because something is not a personal
choice does not make it genetic. Environment shapes us all.
From: lotter@cc.und.ac.za (Eddie Lotter)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Queers in military in other countries???
Date: 24 Nov 92 05:56:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.lotter.115.722584573
Organization: University Of Natal (Durban)
NNTP-Posting-Host: pc17.cc.und.ac.za

bbeer@stein.u.washington.edu (Bob Beer) writes:
>In Greece and Turkey, where things are homophobic if ever there was a homopho-
>bic culture, queers are not banned from the military.  They are required to
>serve just like anyone else.  Many young men spend lots of time, energy and
>money trying to avoid their military service, and I have several friends who
>wish to God that gays *would* be banned from the military!  :)
>
>(Of course, if they are known, they are persecuted just like in civilian life)

The case *exactly* in South Africa! Conscription causes a horrific number
of suicides among gay youths every year.

Cheers
Eddie                                              lotter@cc.und.ac.za
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man's  need but  not for  man's  greed.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhiann@carson.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld)
Subject: Re: Blah, blah, I want your blood
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:47:07 GMT

I have belonged to HIV vaccine trials (plural, really) now for 3+ years, and
still, every time I walk by a bloodmobile I feel I should donate. It is by
far the worst part of being in the trial--far worse than driving downtown
(trust me, in Seattle, that's a biggie) or frequent blood draws...

It doesn't make much sense, but I feel it.

Seattle used to have a group called _Blood Sisters_ who would encourage
dykes to donate in place of the guys who couldn't.

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