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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 06:56:04 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Dream (cream) Teams

On Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:30:56 EDT Walter Keller said:
>Leonard's question about who we would all like to play with, or have played
>with brought a Jimi topic to mind. I have almost all of his early stuff,
>but none of the recycled/re-mixed/re-discovered stuff they've put out in
>the last ten years. Can anyone run down some of these releases for me in
>regards to:
>   1. Different versions of previously released tunes
>   2. Never before released tunes, AND
>   3. Tunes where Jimi jams with musicians other than the Experience, or
>      the Woodstock band.
>
>I know, for instance, that Jimi new and jammed with Leslie West and Steve
>Stills, and I don't know who else. I feel it's about time I tightened up my
>Jimi collection after all these years. Any help would be appreciated.
I've read several times that Jimi & Johnny (BACH) Winter has jammed on
several occasions and some these were released much to johnny's anger
he doesn't feel they were up to par, although i've never heard them
they say they're very good. I especially like his acoustic "hear my train"
Radio one (ryko) has some interesting cuts
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:12:54 PST
From:         FRANK@LAW.UCLA.EDU
Subject:      Re: cage is dead
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I know I'll ruffle many feathers but please remember this is only my
opinion and I do not mean to hurt anyones feelings or respect for the
man and his music.

I can't say I am sad over his passing.  While he may have been
profoundly influential I fear that his music, and the music of those
whom he profoundly influenced, will be as dead as he is in the
not to distant future.

I guess you could say his style was not my cup of tea.

Sorry,

Frank
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:21:12 EDT
From:         "Michael Lehnertz (Drummer)" <TZJ101@URIACC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Quiz Answers (DO I WIN, DO I WIN?!?!?!)
              14 Aug 1992 07:41:47 CDT from <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>

>
>Leonard asks:
>
>(1) If you had ypur choice of playing in any band past/present who
>    would it be or would you rahter front your own.
>
   Frank Zappa. The Beatles too. God, they could have used a drummer that
   could keep time. I'd be richer than hell also.

>
>(2) Think hard on this one, what do you think of Chet Atkins also
     do you own any of his stuff
>
   Beats me, hadn't thought of it and no.

>
>(3) on a scale of 1 to 10 how important is music in your life
>
   Pretty important. Important enough to be stupid enough to major in it
   for many years at URI. Then I got a clue.

>
>(4) Which instrument besides the one you play would you like to
>    play
>
   Bass man. Or lead guitar. Not just guitar, but lead guitar. Chicks dig
   guitar players. Bass because that would be it. Man, groove. Just lay
   it down. Musicians dig the bass player. I could handle being a lead
   trumpet player too. I like trumpet players (not Beer) that have range
   like that.


                                               - Drummer -
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:13:51 EDT
From:         Gary Hanley <ghanley@DG-WEBO.WEBO.DG.COM>
Subject:      Re: "My White Bicycle"
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              "MCINTYRE%MSUPA.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU" at Aug 19, 92 4:51 pm

John said:

>At the time I bought it, it was being billed as a non-LP single.  I don't
>know if it later made it onto an album or not.

	Oh well, it would've been interesting to hear. I'm still
curious to hear King's X's alledged cover of "Roundabout," which
I can't find.

	OMC - (whatever it stands for). Going to the New York Rock
and Soul Revue this Friday, and very much looking forward to it!

	OMC II - Whilst on the subject of covers, I finally heard
Primus's cover of XTC's "Making Plans For Nigel," which I had long
desired a hear. Interesting, but not exciting.

--
Regards,
    Gary Hanley
<ghanley@dg-webo.webo.dg.com>
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 09:22:00 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: a lyrical query

On Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:18:49 EDT elray said:
>     Hey -so nobody knows how old Johnny Mathis is? I would argue that
>a seminal sap like Mr. MAthis would rate some sort of interest, nevermind
>that there are probably dozens of allmusic'ers who know how long Geddy Lee's
>nose is or which hand John Zorn uses to pick his butt. Come on!

The master of love balladry was born 30 September 1935. Source: Faber Companion
to 20th-Century Popular Music. The entry continues "Mathis created a magical,
private other world for his listeners in which young love would always endure."
Hats off to Mathis, the Dungeon-Master of his generation.

Anyone need to know about Ray Conniff?
Rick
From: IZZYFC1@UCLAMVS.BITNET (Christopher Harry)
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>    RSJ: Ronald Shannon Jackson - Drum bum. Favorite of Beer.
>    Elvin: Elvin Jones - Drum Geezer. Another Beer favorite.
>    Toto: Toto - Musical talent beyond belief.

             Toto? I thought this was for Frequently Asked Questions. The only
     thing people are going to ask about Toto is "They're not releasing another
     album, are they?" :-D


>    Ruxpin: Evil - GnR freak. Hasn't been heard from lately.

       I knew there was a reason I was enjoying this list as of late.



                                               Chris
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:35:43 EDT
From:         Gary Hanley <ghanley@DG-WEBO.WEBO.DG.COM>
Subject:      Re: Nazareth
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              "gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL" at Aug 19, 92 5:17 pm

The third Gary from the left sed:

>Not sure of the original album it is on, but I'm pretty sure that "My White
>Bicycle" is on the (A&M Records) compilation of Nazareth's greatest hits.
>If you find that album, it would tell you.

	Thanks for the tip! I'll look for it...

--
Regards,
    Gary Hanley
<ghanley@dg-webo.webo.dg.com>
From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
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Date: 14 Aug 92 17:15:54 GMT
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In the jazz world, everyone's bass player these days is Charlie Haden.
Anyone who has a record date would kill to get him on.  Previously,
of course, that has been Ron Carter, Richard Davis, and Dave Holland.
Then there is Neils Orsted Pederson (SP) from Denmark.  If your record
date is in Europe, that is who you will get.  Steve Bulmer is going
to have high praises for him.  You watch.  I am surprised 
that J.J. Avenel isn't getting called more.  I think he is _THE_ up
and coming bass player of the day.  He currently works in Steve Lacy's
band.  Believe it or not, I got to record with him in 1985. 

Fortunately, the drummer knows his opinions on bass players suck,
so we won't be hearing from him.  

The no-nicker will chime in with A.H.'s bass player, is that Jimmy
Johnson?

Electric?  Forget the haircut, check out Jamaaladeen Tacuma.
I know I am missing someone.

Jeff
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:57:31 -0400
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      RE: All Guitar Players
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Chris wants to learn to play guitar on the cheap.  I'd say, buy a music
book, with the tablature notation.  Choose an artist 1) you like, 2) that
has simple songs, and 3) who's songs you know very well.  For me, some
15 or so years ago, it was Dylan, Dead, and Neil Young.  Learn to play a
simple song, then play along with the recording.

Then he says:
>I don't want my guitar to be
>another dust-collector that looks good in my bedroom.

Not much of sex life eh?  ;-)

Russ
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 09:09:36 MDT
From:         weasels ripped my dress <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      FAQin' eh!

The man w/o a nick said:

>  Now, pray tell... *who* have I slammed in the last year before they had
>a chance to know what was going on?  That little feller who's got a willie
>for Billy RAY?  Naw, I tried to help him out until he got impatient. I've
>even nearly quit making fun of rap, country and heavy metal over the past
>year (could that be a result of too much Beer?  heh heh). So, cut me some
>minor slack, darlin'... ;)

Ok... ok... if we're talking about the last year, then you're right... you've
generally behaved yourself.  I was thinking more along the lines of your
*ruthless* treatment of Ruxxie when he returned each time as a newbie... but,
yes, that was eons ago.  ;*)

>  Can you believe Drummer hasn't updated my entry in his "personalities"
>file to mention you-know-whom?  ;)

You mean Sonny Sharrock??  ;*)

>  I know it's early, but... bah, humbug.

Oh, go get laid and you'll feel different about everything in the morning.  :)

Carol,
in a fine mood.  :)
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Rick/Leonard/Chris Wars (Episode #32)
We heard Chris (Maniac at Large) say:

>Please try to remember that many posters on/readers
>of this list only get it via LISTSERV,as they don't have netnews/usenet feeds.
>Some of them (not me,but that's not the point) also have to _pay_ to use their
>accounts,and I'm sure that they don't appreciate having to scan through all
>these extra-short messages,thereby burning up computer account money.

Guys..How about sparing us and taking it to private mail....

-Adam
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: cage is dead
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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 00:50:51 GMT

In article <MAILQUEUE-101.920814100118.288@125law1.law.ucla.edu> FRANK@LAW.UCLA.EDU writes:
>happen.  I was more concerned about whether his music would even
>appeal to anyone within the minimalist school who seem to drop
>and pick up their gurus and styles and concepts of music and art
>faster than you can blink.

I don't think Cage will need the minimalists to stay around.
What you are talking about is post-modernism.

>          I still have this feeling that Cage's inluence will go
>no further than the twentieth century.  We will be listening to
>Part's "Cantus for Benjamin Britten" a lot longer and with more
>enthusiasm than Cage's heartening piece on silence.

What do you mean we?  That is your prediction, and of course, there is
know way to say for certain who is going to be right until that time
comes.   I say his ideas and methods are always going to be there for
anyone to research and utilize, and I think that creative musicians will
always be investigating him.  We are not talking about making Cage clones
either, we are just talking about people who study his ideas, and
practice his methods, even if they are writing a more conservative
music, the Cage influence will have an impact.  That is what I meant by
the genie never going back into the bottle.

I deal with that on the jazz side, you have a lot of straight ahead
musicians who don't want to play "free", but when you can get them to do
that at jam sessions, they often notice that when they go back playing
tunes with changes, how much more open they can get on them.  That was
the whole thing of Miles Davis' Quintet in the 60s.  They played
standards like My Funny Valentine, Stella By Starlight, Autumn Leaves,
but they were playing them as free as Ornette Coleman.

Jeff
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Subject: Re: Info request: Adrian Belew
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Re: Adrian Belew's recent career, as requested from Marco -- I haven't
heard the latest one (and can't even recall the title of it at the
moment... maybe _Inner Revelations_?), but the previous two before that
were spotty at best. He's been slowly softening the edges of his 
trademark off-the-wall humor, as well as the intensity of the tunes.
To me, he's been on a real pop kick since leaving The Bears (a
great debut... nice pop stuff). The Psychodots (The Bears minus
Belew) are into writing "poor me" songs now (and this is from a guy
who doesn't listen to lyrics, right?). Word on the net (and
elsewhere) is that Belew will join Fripp, Levin and Jerry Marotta
to form King Crimson MkIII later this year. Hmm.

You need _Lone Rhino_ .  *That's a desert island disc*

And a mirage, so far as CD format...  :(

(As far as the one-liners being here, just think: as soon as Mark
Rekucki -- sorry if I misspelled it, Mary -- and Joel Kraft make it
back, we should be able to have them tie up the Allmusic quota all
by themselves... in under 100 lines!  I think CREN has to buy us 
all vacation homes in Greece if that happens... where's my copy of
the charter...

)

Jeff ("nyah.nyah.")


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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:07:10 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      re: RETRANS & OTHER TOPICS
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              "Lee=Jenkins%Factory=Sup%Mfg=Hou@BANGATE.COMPAQ.COM" at Aug 18,
              92 9:24 am

>
> please, this is not a flame!  it's really a compliment.  i think that when yo
u
> come to the place where music just comes to you naturally, it means you have
> absorbed enough "theory" so deeply that you use it without thinking about it.
> if you've ever learned a foreign language (with as much as you travel), you
> know the breaking point that comes when you actually begin using the language
> without thinking about it.  conjugating verbs and making the adjectives agree
> is no longer a task in itself, and you communicate *ideas* without being
> concious of the *media*, so to speak.
>
>
Lee, very interesting.  You're definitely right that musical theory finally
becomes internalized and that what seems to be just "happening" naturally is in
fact a very complex, high-powered event where the "higher mind" (a term I
prefer to the SUB-conscious) takes over and we willingly (gratefully) follow.

This is, I agree, not the same as Cage's and ZZAJ's interest in the random and
chance event--you are right to distinguish "higher mind" vs. "chance mind" as
artistic approaches.  But maybe--who am I to speak for the likes of Cage and
ZZAJ but here I go--artists interested in exploring the random are in fact
looking for "universal" mind, are trying to be receptive to new realms in new
ways, are renouncing traditional forms of control and are hoping the great Tao
Re Mi (ouch... I saw a local band this morning on my way to work, I mean its
name on a sign: ouchcube)... will take over and exert its OWN "control."

This is a very interesting business about "control"--I can think of a lot more
stuff to say about it but it's too far-out and not particularly related to
music so I'll spare you... but control is a double-edged sword

Sonia "go ahead and be longwinded" K.
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:04:26 MDT
From:         weasels ripped my dress <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      Re: weasels cafe and santana
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Sonia the curious asks:

>I can't stand it any longer.  Tell us how weasels ripped your dress.

I went backstage at a Guns 'n Roses concert...

Just kidding...  Actually Zappa fans will recognize my variation on the name of
one of his tunes (replace dress with flesh) -- as perhaps done by myself, one
of the wannabe members of a 90's version of the GTO's...  :*)

>Also please describe a bohdan.

Oh shit... you spelled it wrong too... must be some kind of disease going
around.  Looks like we both need to take the Steve Bulmer Spelling For Computer
Geeks Course.  ;)

But to answer your question, a bodhran is a traditional drum type percussion
device used alot in traditional celtic music.  It sorta looks like someone
stretched some skin over a wide wooden embroidery hoop...  I suspect they come
in different sizes, though about 12 inches in diameter seems to be the norm.
A player uses a small wooden mallet to bang on the bodhran and gets differents
sounds by moving their hand around against the skin inside the wooden loop.
This is a rather lame description, but the best I can do... you gotta see and
hear one being played to really appreciate them...  :)

Heya - Drummer -, ever play one?

- Carol
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:07:53 EDT
From:         RIck <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: back to music

My taking a stab at pondering (Now that work's over, I can get a chance to
think!)
>
>(1) If you had ypur choice of playing in any band past/present who
>    would it be or would you rahter front your own.

 Several choices on this one: Duke Ellington's Orchestra ca. 1920-1936
                              Fletcher Henderson's  "  in the 1920's
                              Eddie Palmieri's band in 60's-early '70's
                              Fela Kuti's Africa '70
                              any ensemble with John Zorn in it
                              in any gamelan orchestra
                              Sun Ra Arkestra
                              Abe Schwartz' orchestra (klezmer) ca. 1910
                              They Might Be Giants
>
>(2) Think hard on this one, what do you think of Chet Atkins also
>    do you own any of his stuff

         Chet's outstanding. Probably a nice guy to meet.
         No.
>
>(3) on a scale of 1 to 10 how important is music in your life
>
         off the scale.

>(4) Which instrument besides the one you play would you like to
>    play

         Bagpipes. I bought a used set which had a leaky bag for $100 bucks
         which our local bagpipe supply man sneered at, calling them Pakistani
         pipes. The only way I could keep the air going was to hook it up to
         the "exhale hole" of a vaccuum cleaner with lotsa duct tape. My wife,
         a friend, and I used it in a little performance art piece we did at
         the local Helms-antagonizing dive (read: contemporary arts center)
         entitled "Electric Macbeth." Fun. I'm sure the local Scots would choke
         on their haggis if they saw it. Anyway, I can play that chanter part,
         but without an airtight bag I just hyperventilate. Sorry to be so
         long-winded about my short-winded bagpipe experience.

Breathlessly,
Rick
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:18:47 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      oops-thunk
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This post of mine just got returned to me, so I'm trying again.  If it's a dup,
sorry!!
> >
> > Not all country music is sappy/cheezy, and not all of it goes THUNK, THUNK,
> > THUNK.  There's bad music in any genre, but all genres have their high
> > points, too.  Admittedly, my tastes in country music run to old stuff (20's
-
> > 50's), but here goes:
> >...... [good list of stuff]
> >
> > -Scott "I'm Proud to be an Okie from Muskogee" Hammer
> >  College of William and Mary
> >
>  Hey Scott, while you were away from the list giving up smoking we actually
> (some of us) agreed on this point and had some great tunes tossed around as
> examples of good country (most of it older stuff from exactly that period).
> My THUNKS referred to contempo-mainstream-slobber.  Sonia
>
>
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From:         "Peter A. Simon" <ps3p+%ANDREW.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE.BITNET>
Subject:      Joan Baez tape wanted!!

This seems like an unlikely place to get a response this but here goes:

Back in the '70s Joan Baez made a tape which I bought under the name of
"Where Are you Now My Son?"  The tape also contained a song recorded
while she was in a bomb shelter in Hanoi on Christmas Eve (back when
that was the place to spend your holidays.)  On the B side was a song
called, "Marycol" (sp?).

I have been unable to uncover any trace at all of the tape or any of the
songs.  I bought it in the Middle East in the late '70s so it might have
been some weird pirate deal.

Any help finding a copy would be greatly appreciated.  e-mail reply
would be best, as I don't read this bboard regularly.

Thanks.

-Peter
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Subject: Billy the Grammy hopeful
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:56:00 GMT
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>What does politics have to do with music anyway?

        Let's ask Tipper about that!  ;-}

>I have just heard who some of the nomaties are for the CMA awards and my I
>tell you that Billy Rae Cyrus got nomated 5 times for Achy Breaky Heart.  When
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I get the complete list of nomaties I will let you know.

        I can't stand it. I'm minding my own business and suddenly I've got
Billy Bob's voice in my head singin' and oooooing about that achy heart of his
(don't you hate when that happens??? Make  STOP!!!!) At least he might be a
little more acceptable to country fans if he'd wear boots. A radio station here
in Dallas is having a petition drive to have him wear boots when he comes here
in concert.......yeah, that'll help! :-}

Susan
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:52:37 MDT
From:         weasels ripped my dress <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      RE: Answers to those timeless questions
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cmv said:

>   Well, tenor sax is the one I'm learning to play, so that must be the one
>I want to.  After that, maybe soprano sax.

I love soprano sex... it's the only time I can hit a high C... the
hockeyplayer's the tenor...

>After that, maybe I could fiddle with Carol's pipes.  ;*)

What a saxist remark!  Keep your hands off my resonators, you beast!

In the midst of a pun-filled day,
Carol
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