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From: broder@src.dec.com (Andrei Broder)
Subject: Re: Report: Chile Skiing
Reply-To: broder@src.dec.com
Organization: DEC Systems Research Center
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 18:41:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.152404.16776@vicorp.com> John Methot writes:
>    If you do stay at one of these resorts, be warned that they are above
> 8000 ft. elevation.  One is likely to get altitude sickness when one sleeps
> at that altitude (I did - a 36 hour worst headache of my life).  Another
> North American that I met there told me U.S. doctors can prescribe a
> drug (Dialox? - something -lox) that will increase your heart rate a little
> while sleeping, thus increasing oxygen to the brain and avoiding the
> problem.  This drug is aparently available over the counter in Chile (if
> you know what to ask for).

Diamox.  It is very efficient but has some side effects; main ones:
it's a diuretic, it provokes some unpleasant tingling in the
extremities, and it interacts with various other medications.  I
wouldn't take it without consulting a doctor first.  

As far as I know the mechanism of its action is not known.  It's definitely
more complicated than an increase in the night pulse rate.

- Andrei
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From: cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd)
Subject: Danged Responsibility Code
Originator: cloyd_j@face_plant
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:11:35 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA

      <responsibility code deleted>

    Complaints of beginner/intermediates clogging
up the black trails always draw sympathy for the
poor learners. But in these cases aren't they the
equivalent of the guy who drives 45 MPH in the 
left lane of the highway because he feels it's
comfortable ? The neophyte skier is amply protected
IMO. Orange "Slow Skiing Only" signs, gestapo style
speed enforcement :-> , etc. keep things pretty
sterile. What I'd like to see is the equivalent
respect given to advanced skiers. How about having
patrollers warning people who ski trails *above*
the range of their ability ? Why not pull the lift
tickets of people who endanger experts by unpred-
ctably "skiing" black trails ? Skiing should be a
quality experience for all levels of ability, not
just an exercise in market expansion. Till such
equity is reached (if ever) I recommend picking
the black trails with the highest number of rocks,
the most ice and biggest trees. These features
(can't tell I work in IS :-> ) still tend to keep
marginal skiers away. 

                                    jc




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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Re: Beginner/Black Diamond runs
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 20:48:00 GMT

In article <1340328@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com
(Glen Baker) writes:
> No, by then it may be too late. Unfortunately, we've proven time and time
> again that reading skills are not required before the area will sell you
> a ticket. In the early season, when there may be NO easy way down from
> KT-22, we've been known to stand at the bottom and *tell* people that
> "this lift is for experts only, there is *no* easy way down". We 
> *still* end up downloading people....

Squaw should consider leaving them up there.
You are helping increase the stupidity pool by letting them down.
Can't ski down?  Have you heard of rappelling?  Oh, you didn't bring a rope?
I can see it now, the voices of the helpless beginners up top:

	HHHHHelp!	HHHHHelp!	HHHHHelp!

(Advanced skiers skiing by.)  Frozen bodies of the beginners piled over to
one side (the one who didn't make it).  Gates to the advanced runs with
signs over head:
	Abandon hope, all yea illiterates who enter here.
Skull and cross bones: "Are you certain they were skiing out of bounds?"

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
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From: smlacke@isrc.sandia.gov (Scott M Lackey)
Subject: Re: Bigfoot
Organization: Sandia National Labs, Org. 1600, Albq., NM
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:55:58 GMT

From article <1929o4INNft1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, by ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill):
> 
>    A little logic, please. The vast majority of "sightings" take place while
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	 Well, since we've got a bigfoot hunter here, VERY little logic would
be appropriate.

> the witness is doing some form of outdoor activity. Thus, this newsgroup is a
> potential for sightings. Plain and simple.
> -- 
> "A large creature about 7 1/2 to 8 foot tall. It was greyish black in color,
> and as it went away from me I seen the backside of it walking as a man would
> walk on it's hind legs."- Former Sheriff Oliver Potter, Vancouver, Washington
> The Cryptozoology Information Network. Want on our Email mailing list? Amiga!
From: hudgens@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: RE: Knee surgery
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:34:30 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, warren@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (warren.a.montgomery) wrote:

> .... What did take time was
>building up the muscles to the point where I could use it and not
>worry about it, which I did on my own.  
> 
>In summary, if you have trouble, get the surgery now, I'm sure my
>slower recovery came in part from 2 months of hobbling around
>while the muscles deteriorated.  After surgery, work on building
>them up as fast as you can ...

After 3 years of frustrating attempts to live with it, I had a sinovial 
plica removed from my knee 8 years ago.  Rebuilding atrophied muscles was
the big problem.  I found that the best and most rapid improvement was
obtained by swimming laps with a kickboard. This exercise is a real killer
soon after surgery, but on days following each session, the knee felt much
stronger.  (NOTE: You only use the kick used in free style swimming--no
frog kicks.)

Jeff Hudgens
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From: davids@gardener.lanl.gov (David Simmons)
Subject: Re: Knee surgery
Originator: davids@feynman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:53:54 GMT


In article <18nfelINNrjn@early-bird.think.com>, bobs@Think.COM ( Robert Schwartz) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep9.112843.3589@wvnvms.wvnet.edu>, sh240031@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
|> |> I'm scheduled to have orthroscopic surgery don next week to remove some
|> |> supposedly torn medial meniscus.  I'm sure my worries are unjustified and my
|> |> phobia is directly related to the fact I just turned thirty and never seriously
|> |> injured myself skiing before the end of last season.
|> |> 
|> |> Anyway, there must be others out there that have gone through this that can
|> |> reassure me I have nothing to worry about and I'll be in shape to start
|> |> instructing again soon.
|> |> 
|> |> 				Carl 
|> I have had three of these operations in the last two years.  It really isnt
|> a big deal (see Eugene Miya's post for details).  If you are in good shape
|> the recovery time is very short.  The last time I had the surgery on a Monday
|> and went skiing on Friday.  It was A BIT too soon but we had the vacation
|> planned.  Skiing wasn't very comfortable until the following Sunday.  Even then
|> I was only about 80%, but still managed to get in a few bump runs (with my wife 
|> nagging me the whole time..."You Shouldn't...").
|> 
|> In short if you have the surgery now and work hard on the rehab. you'll have 
|> no problemthis season and probaly feel better than before.  I waited over a 
|> year to have the first one because I was afraid I would never be the same.
|> Afterwards I was kicking myself for waiting so long.
|> 
This and Eugene's posts are very accurate, very good.  Be advised that
your mileage WILL vary, but you knew that, right?  I had lateral
patellar releases nad cartilege removal done via arthroscopy in '80,
when it was fairly new technology.  I did not get to "walk-in-walk-out",
but the Doc. did have me on my feet the next day, and walking with a 
cane only by the afternoon following surgery (much better than my
hospital room mate, who had full reconstruction done, and was in
INTENSE pain for two solid days...).  I was walking normally within a few
days, only having some problems with stairs.  I was 100% in 6 weeks--
which was VERY good, at the time.  Now, I hear, the recovery rate is
MUCH quicker.

In short, you probably have NOTHING to worry about.  You DID get a second
opinion, right?  Anybody who says "cut" should be checked up on with at
*least* one other qualified professional, IMHO.

Good luck!
-- 

David G. Simmons
	
	"Pollution is not the problem with our environment. 
	It is the impurities in our air and water." 
		--Dan "Vice-President-Rain-Man" Quayl(e)

If I said it, LANL didn't... 

-- 

David G. Simmons
	
	"Pollution is not the problem with our environment. 
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From: pete@aix1.uottawa.ca (Peter Hickey)
Subject: Balance & sight (was Re: Flat Light)
Organization: Computing & Comm. Services, University of Ottawa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 20:45:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.070108.4776@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>
>  Lots of things deleted....
>
>Also useful for studying space sickness.  Amazing how our balance is
>cued to our optical system.  
>

Yes, balance really is.  I'm not a real skier, only a X-C skier.  I
train at night, and when my glasses fog up with a hard workout,
I remove them.  I am then close to blind.  When skiing down a long
yet slight incline (maximum speed < 10k/h) I find that it isn't long
before I start feeling unbalanced, and then I fall over.  Its a very
strange sensation hitting the ground, and then realizing that its
sloping in an unexpected direction.  I am remotely reminded of
drug-induced sense distortion, but I can't be sure since that was
a *long* time ago.

-Pete


-- 
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University of Ottawa      | petehic@uottawa.bitnet  |  does a humanitarian
Ottawa,Ont. Canada K1N 6N5|  (613) 564-7646         |  eat?"
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Danged Responsibility Code
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 20:35:06 GMT

In article <dgold.0kfw@basso.actrix.gen.nz> dgold@basso.actrix.gen.nz
(Dale Gold) writes:
>I haven't skiied very much in North America.  While I agree with your
>sentiments, the powers of the legal profession and the huge numbers of
>skiiers in that part of the world might make these repressive rules a good
>thing in the long run...

Maybe the thing to do is wear a tee-shirt of vest on the outside which reads:
(both sides)

	Lawyer*

And small letters: *Hit me, and I'll sue.
Then give them wide berth.  Or maybe the ski resorts would not let them on the
slopes.  Or maybe we could watch to two widely separated ones collide at
some time.

Really what we need to do is not clean the snow up after accidents.
In the name of economics, we remove the stimuli (the history from
past accidents).  That's deterrence.

"Brains!  Ugh, I never seen brains before."  --from an Oliver Stone film.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
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From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Crested Butte - Free Skiing???
Date: 14 Sep 92 08:07:01 GMT
	<SSH.92Aug26160159@snow.boulder.ibm.com> <64795@cup.portal.com>
Distribution: na
Organization: ISSC Boulder

>>>>> On 28 Aug 92 04:05:54 GMT, TedKahn@cup.portal.com (Theodore E Kahn) said:

Ted> CB has the steeps all right -- it also has one of the oldest and
Ted> slowest chairs in the world to get you to the top!  In general,
Ted> CB has an out-dated lift system, but for FREE its worth it, I also
Ted> took advantge of the free period last year.

Not any more.  It was replaced by a high-speed quad this summer!

Ted> 	-Ted
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
Where the earth rises to meet the sky:                             ISSC Boulder
From: kim@.cs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Wolfcreek Info Wanted
Date: 6 Sep 92 17:39:59 GMT
Reply-To: kim@.cs.umass.edu ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

I'm considering meeting my brothers and friends at Wolfcreek for a week
or so of skiing/snowboarding and hanging out.  We're all intermediate
skiers/snowboarders.

1.  How big is Wolfcreek?  How many runs?  Lifts?  Vertical drop?

2.  How much are lift tickets?

3.  Is snowboarding allowed?

4.  How is the snow?  When does the season begin and peak?

5.  What are the options for lodging?  Cabins?  Motels?  Whom should I 
    call?  Is it relatively expensive?

6.  How should one get there?  Is there any public transportation?  How
    far is it from the nearest airport?

7.  What do the surrounding towns/area offer other than skiing?

Thanks!

                            
   John Kim               Before you slip into unconsciousness 
                          I'd like to have another kiss...
                                                       (jm)
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From: gunn@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (John Gunn)
Subject: Re: Good Places to Ski this Year
Organization: Center for Biomolecular Simulation
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 17:46:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep04.191631.9285@clarinet.com> grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson) writes:
[entire post deleted]
>
>Tahoe in CA.  Banff in Calgary, Alberta.  Numerous areas in CO.
>-- 
>Grant Robinson -- ClariNet Communications Corp, Sunnyvale, CA (408)-296-0366

Banff is in Calgary to the same extent that Lake Tahoe is in Sacramento.
Paskapoo is in Calgary.
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From: tran@kepler.Stanford.EDU (Hy Tran)
Subject: Re: Re: Beginner/Black Diamond runs
Organization: stanford
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:38:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.204800.13085@nas.nasa.gov>, eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
|> In article <1340328@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com
|> (Glen Baker) writes:
.... stuff about stupid skiiers on KT-22 who have to be downloaded ....
Eugene says:
|> Squaw should consider leaving them up there.
....
|> (Advanced skiers skiing by.)  Frozen bodies of the beginners piled over to
|> one side (the one who didn't make it).  Gates to the advanced runs with
|> signs over head:
|> 	Abandon hope, all yea illiterates who enter here.
|> Skull and cross bones: "Are you certain they were skiing out of bounds?"

I say: No, no!  Don't pile them off to one side.  Leave them frozen,
in place; they'll act as gates for a gonzo GS course.

-- 
Hy
tran@sun-valley.stanford.edu

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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: You have to fall to learn?
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 20:40:07 GMT

In article <2qzn9pa@quantum.on.ca> eric@quantum.on.ca (Eric Johnson) writes:
>I keep hearing this from all sorts of people. Its one of those truisms which 
>I feel is quite false. You may have to make mistakes to learn.

See the section on
	Errorless Learning in
	Behavior Principles by Ferster and Perrot.

But will you know how to get up?

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Ref: Behavior Principles by Ferster and Perrot.
From: mr@delfin.com (Mark Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: pinhead.wannabe.postulant
Keywords: Tired of nailing heel to ski
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:24:44 GMT
Reply-To: mark@delfin.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Delfin Systems, Sunnyvale CA

In article <goymqB4w164w@cruiser.uucp>, bdl@cruiser.uucp (Bob Lombard) writes:
|> Hi-
|> 
|>   As that time of year approaches (not fast enough, IMHO) I've decided
|> that I can't stand it anymore- *This* is the year I begin to learn
|> Free heel downhill skiing. 
|>   Some background:   I'm a strong & competent alpine skier, tho not an
|> expert or extreme skier.  I spend 25-30 days a year skiing, a good portion
|> of that teaching at the California Handicapped Ski School.  I have a pair
|> of Fischer Town& Country skis, (track skis).  With these I've
|> done *SOME* in-track, and even less out of track Cross Country, entirely
|> day trips. 

Equipment:

Good boots are critically important. First decide if you'll primarily be
skiing the backcountry or the lifts. For the backcountry you want a boot that
is stiff enough to provide some measure of ski control during downhills but
is not so stiff (or heavy) that uphill travel is made more painful than it
has to be. For many years, the Asolo Snowfield boots were the most commonly
seen. Their product line has expanded to include a number of reasonable
choices. If you plan to ski primarily at resorts, you can afford a heavier
stiffer boot. Merrel Super-comps are a good example (but very expensive).

Books:

Especially with your alpine background, I strongly recommend Paul Parker's
book entitled (I think) "Downhill Skiing". This book is written from the
perspective that 3pin ski technique and traditional alpine downhill
technique are based on common body positions and mechanics. I have minimal
alpine experience but can tell you that this book improved my telemark
immeasurably.

Videos:

There are two informative (and entertaining) instructional videos from
NATO (North American Telemark Organization). The second is entitled
"Revenge of the Telemarkers" and the first (probably the better introductory
tape) tape's title currently escapes me. Not all of the technique
advocated in this tape jives with the Parker book but there are a lot
of good tips and inspiring footage of good skiers.

Skis:

I'd recommend putting your money into boots and renting different types
of skis to see what you like before you buy. I have two sets: Tua Toute
Neige (primarily for soft conditions) and Tua Tele Sauvage (for hardpack).
One major decision point is single or double camber. Single (like an
alpine ski) is more easily bent into a smooth reverse camber while double
holds wax better for touring.

I hope this helps.
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: You have to fall to learn?
Date: 15 Sep 92 11:14:18 GMT
	<14634@auspex-gw.auspex.com> <2qzn9pa@quantum.on.ca>
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Organization: ISSC Boulder

>>>>> On 15 Sep 92 15:23:13 GMT, eric@quantum.on.ca (Eric Johnson) said:

>>(John Fereira) writes:
Eric> I have found that with practice and taking
Eric> sensible risks appropriate to my skills that I have the recovery skills
Eric> necessary to stay in control when I make mistakes on progressively more
Eric> challenging terrain.

Be forewarned:  It is often during such recoveries that one puts special stress
on the knee joint, occationally resulting in the most common debilitating ski
injury today:  Knee ligament damage.

Eric> -- 
Eric> Eric Johnson (eric@quantum.qnx.com or try eric@quantum.on.ca)
Eric> Technical Development, Quantum Software Systems Ltd (QNX OS)
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
Where the earth rises to meet the sky:                             ISSC Boulder
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From: grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson)
Subject: upcoming ski swaps?
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 02:10:42 GMT

Does anyone know of any upcoming ski swaps, or stores that sell on
consignment in the Bay Area?  I've got some good equipment that I no longer
need because it's been/being replaced by yet better stuff.  

In case anyone's interested:

Rossignol 4M's, 200 cm. - a mogul or all-terrain ski as they like to call 
			  them now.  I ski 7M's now, only because I 
			  got such a good deal from a Rossi rep on them.

Salomon SX91 ski boots, size 345.  - a high-performance boot.  345's
			translate to a 9.5 to 10 shoe size.

I'd prefer to keep the bingings from the 4M's for the YANP ski's I'm about
to buy, but, as with the above equipment, no reasonable offer will be
refused.  The bindings are Salomon 957's.

Offers to grant@clarinet.com, or 408-238-1047, leave a message.
-- 
Grant Robinson -- ClariNet Communications Corp, Sunnyvale, CA (408)-296-0366
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 23:32:27 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 06/13
Organization: What, me? Organized?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

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   Index:
       1) Welcome, Disclaimers, etc
       2) Equipment
       3) Clothing
       4) Technique
       5) Transportation
       6) Lodging
       7) Phone Numbers
       8) Miscellaneous
       9) Jobs
      10) Summit County
      11) Southern California
      12) Exercises
      13) Lest we become too serious

 ---------------------- Section 06: Lodging ----------------------

 6.01) "Where's the best place to stay in <insert favorite state 
       here>?"
    
     Well that's a pretty big question. The only answer as of this printing
     of the faq is that if you're talking about Utah you should ftp Walt
     Haas' information from ski.utah.edu. Anybody else wanna start a 
     similar service?

     It's also a good bet to contact the local chamber of commerce. They
     can provide you with a list of hotels/motels in the area.


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