HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: yndst2+@pitt.edu (Yong Duan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 4 Oct 92 02:07:24 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Oct2.144332.103@en.ecn.purdue.edu> chenwei@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Chenwei Yan) writes:
>In article <BvGqGx.3AF@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
>> ........
>
>I agree with you 100%.
>Chinese people can only depend on themselves to make the country better and
>stronger. On the other hand, we should learn from the other countries for good
>expertise and good experiences for one reason: becoming the strongest nation
>in the world and crush all the opponents!
>
>21st CENTURY WILL BE THE CENTURY OF THE GREATER CHINA!!!!
>
>Let's all work for that goal!

You sounds pretty crazy! I hope you know what you are talking about.

If to crush all the opponents is the goal to become the stronggest
country, I would do whatever I can to stop it and I'd rather have a
weaker China. Because this would simply means the termination of
our great history and civilization.

Learn something from American. Learn something from our
intelligent ancients. They don't crush other countries. They
try to be friends of them.

I truelly suspect even CCP would like your suggestion. I also
suspect that if you have brain. I suggest you go to see your doctor
immediately. At least see your psychaitrist.

Y.Duan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: New York University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:09:08 GMT

jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:

>Dear Chinese Friend:


>Today is our National Day.


>What China won 43 years ago was a real INDEPENDENCE which China had not been
>having for about 100 years. Nothing can be more valuable than
>independence to a country.


>However, neither US nor USSR were willing to see China becomes a strong 
>country. They sent their armies to the countries around China. They tried
>to isolate China in the world. They tried to control China via thousands of 
>ways. When China was trying to improve the relationship with either US or USSR,
>USSR or US would attempt to stem via their KGB or CIA.


>That was history. That was the environment in which China was standing up.
>China then had atomic bomb, hydrogen bomb, satellites etc all by 
>herself--developing technologies nearly without external help, accumulating
>money primarily in the internal markets and meanwhile, producing food
>so that the huge population had something to eat.
>Mao Ze-Dong had many mistakes, but he and his comrades left us a strong 
>country, an independent country.

CCP did nothing more wrong than denying individual's right to develope
their own potential (private property, beliefe etc.), that wasted people's
talent and energy.

Ze Yang

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Action-9201.appendix
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:43:10 GMT

In article <2AD21004.22944@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)  
writes:
> I thought that many Chinese people in China did not understand what was 
> cooking here.  But I am wrong!  Whenever I arbitrarily talk with any friend 
> of mine in China, they know who those CSS are, and they know what those CSS 
> are trying to do.
> 
> However, the situation is a little bit "confusing" this time: the US  
government
> is quiet on this blood card bill; and the Chinese government is quiet, too,
> on this blood card bill.  The only party who is angry toward this blood card
> bill is the Chinese people such as Shannon Yeh.  The reason for the White

Because you are jealous for whatever reasons even though probably you have  
already had a card. You just can not calm down your anger towards others'  
success and better lives in the future.


> House to be quiet is so that they cannot see any direct benefit from granting
> this bill; the reason for the Chinese government to be quiet is so that they
> feel "losing-face" if they over-react to this "Chinese-sell-Chinese" case.
> The reason for the Chinese people to be angry is so that they feel the  
justice
> has been raped by those CSS, and the facts has been twisted by those CSS.


You are only one of a small handful of people who can not tolerate others'  
prosperity. Also, you might be someone like a person I know who spoke frankly  
that he felt unfair because he paid $3500 attorney fee to get a card while  
others might save the money for a trip to Europe. You do not represent Chinese  
people.


> 
> Regardless this bill will be passed or not, most of the CSS, including those
> CSS, will go home someday.  By then, the Chinese PEOPLE will hate the blood
> carders.  If the regular CSS do not distinct themselves from those CSS, they
> will suffer when they return to China someday: who knows you did not work on 
> the blood card in 1992?


In fact, regular Chinese hate ultra-lestist like you much much more than  
so-called "blood-carders" because people like you represent horror and misery  
while "blood-carders" only repsent opportunists.


> 
> So, if you did not directly support the blood card petition, I strongly 
> recommend you to sign up at "blood-card@netix.com".  If you do not speak out 
> your standing, you may be misunderstood in the future.
> 
> Obviuosly, upon your own discretion.
>

You can fool some of the people sometime but you can not fool all the people  
all the time. People will know about your real purpose is.

 
> shannon
> -------


Carl
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:26540 soc.culture.taiwan:14034
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC  : ::Korean War--Who is to blame?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:36:51 GMT

In article <92Sep25.221414.23034@acs.ucalgary.ca> bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens) writes:
>In article <24SEP199223075533@zeus.tamu.edu> b0k2481@zeus.tamu.edu (KIM, BYUNGSEON) writes:
>>> 
>>
>>    It was 1950.  McArthur wanted to recover mainland and return it
>>    to KMT.  That is why he was eliminated from the position by
>>    Truman.
> 
> 
>Hmm, I thought McArthur wanted to *nuke* China.  In a way,

well, he said that, but any intelligent man would know the Truman
adminstration would never do that.  He's only making that kind of
noise to cover up that Peng DeHuai caught him with his pants down,
and he needs to regain his fame *FAST*.  
 
>I guess you could call them "recover"...   (Just as in
>Vietnam, "pacify" used to mean killing anybody around).
>
>Luc B


Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:26944 soc.culture.taiwan:14127 talk.politics.china:1644
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Future of China........
Date: 2 Oct 1992 19:15:55 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <1992Oct2.171755.11034@cbfsb.cb.att.com>  (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.135613.23315@tamsun.tamu.edu>  (Xuejun Yang) writes:
>>>
Another turn of China will be the world 3rd economy power??????

No way! Not uder CCP! Not until people are more educated (higher literacy).
While I was on the ferry ship from Chongqing to Wuhan, I saw that the ship`
directly pumped the river water for drinking, for cooking, for bathing. And
you know what? The water was still yellow like, fairly polluted. In fact,
many people live along the Yantze River have no tapped water. They have to
depend on river water. In the meanwhile, the ships dump trash into river
day by day and nobody seems to care. The ships don't care of water usuage,
don't care about human lives, so the ships are always overloaded that may
beyond the safe range.

Be aware of salted vegetables (canned) from Pei-ling of Shi-chuan, when
I saw they are used to the polluted river water, they may have used the
river water in the process of making Shi-chuan Zha Chai (salted vegetables).

>>>	From a special TIME magazine issue on the future of the world that
>>>	I received, some Americans think differently (though no obvious
>>>	reason was given). And I tend to agree with that. IMO, Chinese seems
>>>	...
>>Time has ALWAYS be negative toward China. Like saying China has only 60
>>swimming pools. Several other financial magazines have presented a totally
>>...
>	Look like you prefer to read/hear opinions that show favorable bias
>	to you and discredit those that are not solely on this bias. Fine,
>	you just became another evidence to support my argument (not TIME's)
>	why Chinese may have a problem to be a great nation in the next century.
>
It doesn't have to be bias to criticize the problems daily happening in mainland.
Except the city of Beijing is barely catching up, the rest of China is far
behind, even Shanghai is behind in many aspects. How can a country behind
in every aspects be the world strong country of 21 century?

You wish! I will pray! While the regional CCP officials become to dominate
China, China will soon be late Qing. The CCP reform has made many companies,
and the regional CCP officials became the managers of the companies.
Watch the tiger, don't ignore the wolf!
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: an unsuccessful mail forgery
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:21:18 GMT

Hi.  Someone at psu.edu tried to forge a mail to express his/her anger toward
me, because I oppose the blood card bill.  Here it is:

--------------------------[forge mail starts here]--------------------------

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To: yeh@netix.com, the@PSUVM.PSU.EDU, bullshid@PSUVM.PSU.EDU,
        dirty@PSUVM.PSU.EDU, minded@PSUVM.PSU.EDU, fucking@PSUVM.PSU.EDU,
        guy@PSUVM.PSU.EDU, shannon@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Subject: Re: the 9201 letter
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: No Comment (fwd)
Date: 4 Oct 92 14:41:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: ms.1992Oct4.104155.17408
    <97530@bu.edu>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:

>In article <QINYI.92Oct3133103@r6i.uk.ac.man.cs> qinyi@uk.ac.man.cs (Yi Qin (BCW PhD)) writes:
>>(deleted)
>>Do most of us remember the old saying, "Jun1 pin2 fu4, deng3 gui4 jian4"?
>>People's mind has been directed by such a slogan for hundreds, even more
>>than a couple of thousands, years.

>This is a confirmation. Similar words two thousands years ago came
>from Dr. Johnny: "Bu Huai Ping er Huai Bu Jun; Bu Huai Gua er Huai Bu An".
>(It does not matter if a country is poor, what matters is whether the
>limited fortune is equally distributed; it does not matter if a country
>has no large population, what matters is whether the country is stable).

>This is another deep rooted problem in our culture. And that is why
>Mao and his grand kids could move the mass from time to time.
>-- 

Any expert can enlight me that if Indian has the same thing in their culture?
By my understanding, they still have different social classes.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:34:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.120636.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> haiqiu@ducvax.auburn.edu  
writes:
> > And BTW, whose fault was that of the huge population?
> 
>   I have read a book written by Jiang Jie-Shi, the KMT ruler before 1949. I
> got such a idea that if it is Jiang in mainland after 1949. The population
> will be much much huger now. For in that book he accused CCP of try all kinds
> of method to reduce the Chinese population including massacre, and he said
> what he will do is encourage the fast growth of the population so China is
> the Ultra-largest and strongest nation in the world.
>  

In 1940s or earlier, the number of soliders in the army did mean something  
because technology was not advanced enough. So it seems a little bit more  
understandable why Jiang would encourage population growth. Jiang did not make  
such comment any more in 1960s and 1970s because he knew the number of soldiers  
in the army was getting less and less important because of the new technolodgy  
used in military. So I don't think Jiang would do the same thing Mao did in  
1950s and 1960s, and thus the population would not have been so large.

Mao is very stupid (or crazy). Even in late 1960s, he still proudly told  
foreign diplomates that he could summon a 100 million soldier army to "defend"  
China. I believe it was militarily motive that push Mao to encourage fast  
growth of population. 


Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao)
Subject: Re: Do Something For Yourself, Guys--Protection Bill.
Organization: MITRE
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:13:00 GMT


> >>>>
> >>>>Yes, I still hate the bill, unless this bill can cover all Chinese student.
> >>> 
> >>>     I still hate the bill, unless this bill can cover all WORLD students.
> >>> 
> >>	I still hate the bill, unless this bill can cover ALL WORLD PEOPLE.
> >>
> >
> >        You know what these guys mean?  How about this:
> >
> 
> Since I believe in you, I would like to say that the following was
> from the bottom of your heart.
> 
> >        I still hate the bill, unless this bill can only cover ME.
>                                                                 ^^
>                                  More precisely, it should be *MY faimily*.


No!!  you miss my point.  I support this bill strongly.  From the bottom of
my heart I really want this bill can extend to everybody who want to live
this country.  I believe "where to live" is also a basic human right. 
People should have the right to chose where they want to live and that is
the reason I came to here.  Du4 Fu3 (Tang dynasty poet) said "where I can
find millions houses to shelter all poor CSS in the world." (an1 de2 da4
xia4 qian1 wan4 jian1, guang3 pi4 tien1 xia4 han2 shi4 jin4 huan1 yan2).  I
like this poet, and this is what I want to say.  Do not distort my point. 
I support this bill "from the bottom of my heart."  O.K.  The only thing I
do not like in this bill is the tilte, if it could be changed to "Free
Immigation Bill" that will be much better.  Don't you think
so?
From: jin@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu (Xuegen Jin -Luzzi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Help need, I'm in deep trouble
Keywords: vote
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:51:23 GMT
Organization: Laboratory for Research on the Structure of Matter, University of Pennsylvania

In article <97097@bu.edu> lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>Many friends may not like this, but I am really in deep trouble.
>I think I can kill his lower right corner, but I haven't got
>chance yet. The following is an email to a friend.
	Yes, you can kill the lower-right corner, have you heard of "Si Zai
Ban Shou"?

>
>That is the fun we can't get from email, or can we? :-)
>-- 
	Why don't you guys go to two Go servers avaible? One is in France, the other
is in USA, there are more fun you can find than here! Check news group "rec.games.go"!

XUEGEN JIN
LRSM,UPENN
From: lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Action-9201.appendix
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:29:00 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <2AD2455A.27169@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) wrote:
>(deleted)
>------  -----   __\___      /     \/  ----|   /     |     __\__ --   / __|__
> /|\   |=|=|=|  |----      /\     /\/ |===|  /| |   /\    |===| |/  /| |_|_|
>/ | \  --/-/-  \||-|-|    /  \     /| |\      | |\ /  \   | \   |\   |   |
> \|      \/    /|| /\|   /    \   / | | \/    | |//    \  | /\  |}   |   |
>         /\    / |  \|  /      \   \| |/ \    |  /      \ |/    |    |   | ,

Well, I don't have interest to argue on bloodcard or green card or what so ever.
But since Steve Lin has promised to donate to SOS China Education Fund, I'll
suggest to save the effort to make the last "Ren", and donate a few bucks to
the Fund. I mean, it should be "Lang Zhong1", not "Lang Zhong4".

Save your effort, and Help kids in rural China!!!!!!!!
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: shen@math.psu.edu (Jee Shen)
Subject: Re: Question:  Immigration quota used by P
Reply-To: shen@math.psu.edu
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Penn State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:36:33 GMT

In article 119318@marshall.wvnet.edu, mth015@marshall.wvnet.edu () writes:
>In article <Bv3EE3.8tB@acsu.buffalo.edu>, ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ziniu Wei) writes:
>> 
>> I have a question that how much immigration quota will be used by the Chinese
>> Protection Bill?
>> 
>> I am a Chinese student coming here after April, 1990.  I support the bill
>> because it will save ten thousand Chinese here, although I am not eligible for
>> the bill.  My question is will the protection bill cost so much immigration 
>> quota that it will be harder for people like me to try to immigrate after
>> graduation? (Suppose they successfully change to H-1 visa and wait for green
>> card)
>
>Don't worry! State department will give Chinese (mainland) more quota if
>this bill become law. Let's put this way. Suppose we have $40,000 Chinese
>eligible for the bill, then State department will give extra 10,ooo quota
>to support the bill. I know 10,000 < 40,000. But, most of 40,000 Chinese
>already got Green card or will get Green card soon through normal procedure.
>I think 35,000 could or will get CARD anyway. Now, you can answer your
>question.
>Have a nice day and a bright future.		

But what is a  more accurate estimate of the number of Chinese nationals who are
eligible to get green card? I believe it will be over 80,000. So how can this 
problem of lack of sufficient quata be resolved?



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (su jianfeng)
Subject: Re: History of XIjiang?
Keywords: need comments,xijiang,history
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 01:01:36 GMT

In article <yy7085.717862427@eehp10> yy7085@eehp10.cen.uiuc.edu () writes:
>.........
>----------- the following is the forwarding I got ----------------
>
>From:   VAXF::IN%"TRKNWS-L@USCVM.BITNET"  "Turkish Cultural Program List" 29-SEP
>   -1992 19:09:37.60
>To:     IN%"TRKNWS-L@USCVM.BITNET"  "Multiple recipients of list TRKNWS-L"
>CC:
>Subj:   TREMORS IN THE CHINESE EMPIRE
>
>TREMORS IN THE CHINESE EMPIRE
>.......
>!Andrew  Higgins meets  the  Uighurs, a  nation battling to gain!
>!statehood                                                      !
>
>They  call  themselves  the  Uighuristan  Liberation  Front.  The
>reality  is rather  less  menacing than  the name  -  a group  of
>doddery  old  men far  more  interested  in history  than  waging
>guerilla warfare.
>
>They  meet around  a heavy  wooden table  in the  house of  their
>70-year-old leader, Ashir Vakhidov, to discuss what happened more
>than 40 years  ago. Their memories, though, could  prove the most
>powerful weapon of all.
>
>Al of them  are Uighurs, a Turkic-speaking  Muslim people forever
>caught  between the  competing imperial  ambitions of  Moscow and
>Peking.  And all  share one  obsession: to  find out  what really
>happened on 27 August 1949, the day their country's leaders - and
>so their country - died in a plane crash en route to Peking.

It is really a joke to want to recover a dreamed country which was
self-claimed to be established in 1944.
 
>........
>The  country Mr  Vakhidov  and  his followers  dream  of one  day
>recovering  was  first   established  in  1944  in   a  spasm  of
>anti-Chinese Muslim militancy along the ancient Silk Road. In its
>heyday, it  controlled vast tracts  of what is today  the Chinese
>region  of Xinjiang.  It  had  its own  army  and civil  service.
>Stalin,  while  no friend  of  Islam,  encouraged the  republic's
>conquests, hoping to extend Moscow's  interests at the expense of
>the crumbling  Chinese regime  of Chiang  Kai-shek. But  then, in
>1949,  the sands  shifted. With  communism triumphant  in Peking,
>Stalin changed direction. The East, as Mao Tse-tung declared, was
>Red. East Turkestan was finished.
>.......

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:26790 soc.culture.taiwan:14109
From: lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Future of China........
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:35:48 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Boston University

In article <lcp7vbINN2vv@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>(deleted) Not until people are more educated (higher literacy).
>(deleted) 
>Be aware of salted vegetables (canned) from Pei-ling of Shi-chuan, when

Thanks Steve for paying attention to education. I am now a volunteer in a SOS China
Education Fund. I'd like to give my first lecture to Steve Lin:

Pei-ling of Shi-chuan, wrong. Water+Standing+Mouth is not earth+standing+mouth.
You should say Fu-ling of Sichuan.

Please donate a few bucks to SOS China Education Fund. Thank you.

SOS China Education Fund was a non-political org., to help poor students in
rural China. Now the members including tens of Chinese students and scholars
and a few American friends. Interested friends please join us.
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao)
Subject: Re: Protection Bill
Organization: MITRE
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:37:27 GMT

In article <92277.214457LHGCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, <LHGCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
> 
>        chenx@cua.edu  wrote
> /Subject: Protection Bill
> /Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 07:07:19 GMT
> 
> /For the discussion of the protection bill, there is always an assumption
> /that Chinese government want these Chinese students go back to China.
> /My question is whether or not it is true.
> 
> I agree. We Chinese intellectuals always overestimate ourselves, especially
> under CCP's rule. Please remember a lots of scholars went back during early
> 50's after the funding of PRC. What happened to them? Endless political
> campaigns to reform them (brain wash), to harass, to torture them. Those
> who went back thought that they  were too important to the 'country', so
> they should wake up.  If anyone still believes he/she is too important
> to CCP, he/she has to calm down. Nothing is more important than the throne,
> stable surpasses anything. Suppose you guys go back. Where will you go?
> universities, colleges, etc. Even if you never take streets, you can not
> possibly keep your mouth shut. Little by little, you give your own opinions.
> What kind of opions? to whom? at where? You are trouble makers, even you
> do not realize it yourselves. It takes long time to reform you. Even you
> are very cooperative, when the job is finished, some damages are done
> already to the society.  Well. Wait until there are some changes take place
> inside China. Before that, nobody WANTS you back.
> If CCP protests the bill, that is for their faces, not for you.
> Wang L H
> 
> 
Yes, I agree.  CCP will protest this bill for their face, but do not worry.
CCP will NOT retaliate upon U.S.  The problem is that do you really think
U.S government want lose 80,000 jobs to CSS?  I really do know the answer
yet.