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From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Late Game Updates ...
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:56:07 GMT
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In article <1992Sep15.165639.19328@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu>, ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad) writes:
> One thing we can all do is *think* before we post.  Updates for 50
> people on a 200,000 user group is not good use of the Internet.  This
> is not a flame of the guy who did this.  He thought he was doing 
> a good thing.  All I ask is that he thinks about the bandwidth issues
> involved here and reconsiders whether his updates were such a good idea.

I don't mind posting FINAL scores; in fact, I encourage it.  But posting
first-quarter scores?  Gimme a break.  By the time it propagates out here,
who cares, especially since the final game score will probably be in the
same batch of posts when I enter news.

Usenet was not meant to be a 10-minute ticker.

I assume if you REALLY want to know scores in the middle of the game,
someone will comment on it in a game summary (e.g., Dallas romped and
stomped their way to a 27-0 lead at halftime).  Leave mid-game scores
to where they'll be relevant.

My 2 cents.
-- 
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f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

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From: paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische)
Subject: Re: Smith is NOT Sanders
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 22:04:08 GMT

I think the header said it all.
Smith is the second best runner in the NFC now.  He is not Barry Sanders.
Smith can't carry tacklers the way Sanders can.  And although Smith
outgained Sanders last year, it took Sanders being rested on the final
weekend for him to win the title.  And it took him many more carries to do
it.  Sanders is the feature back in a pass-oriented offense.  Smith is the
lone back in a balanced attack.
He's a great player, but don't try to say he's better than Sanders.
Jason Gische
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From: tap1040@zeus.tamu.edu (SPEED RACER)
Subject: Re: Two Great Plays (was Re: Cowboys 23, Redskins 10)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 05:56:00 GMT

In article <BuDrHw.2u7@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, mab50312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark A. Blickhan) writes...
>By the way, the instant replay CONCLUSIVELY demonstrated that the ball
>WAS NOT INTERCEPTED by Darrell Green (obviously because DAN DIERDORF said so).
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 

It was Martin Mayhew who did not intercept the ball.

________________________________________________________________________________

                                     Tracy      
                              Texas A&M University
				       
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Pat Summerall: "That's ALWAYS a good sign."    (RFK Stadium, Nov. 24, 1991)
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: GIANTS ........ ARRRRRGGGGHHH !!
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 05:12:33 GMT

In article <6SEP199219273412@zeus.tamu.edu> mcs4041@zeus.tamu.edu (SHARAT SHEKHAR) writes:
>
>	is it time to fire Handley or what ??!!
>
>	How the fuck could a team that won a superbowl 2 seasons ago (and that
>goal line defense that stuffed the niners at the 1 yd line was a reminder) end
>up in this sort of fucking mess .............
>
>	FUCK EVERYTHING ... sorry but i'm, in a nasty mood
>
>	and pardon the f---ing language.
>
It happens to all of them at one time or another.  There was
some hard hitting going on both sides and the defense on the
Niner's, set the tone.  With four possible offensive threats on 
the Niner's side, they could have been just about any team
today.
-- 
        ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
 		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
From: larry@aecom.yu.edu (Larry Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Giants QB controversy (again)
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:02:34 GMT
Organization: Albert Einstein College of Medicine

In article <EefrI1K00Uh783GoJf@andrew.cmu.edu> (Thomas Oligino) writes:
>
>    The only hope for this team is for Simms and Hampton to have big
>games Sunday. 

I wouldn't be surprised if Hoss plays. In fact, I would even guess that Handley
did this on purpose to let the Boys design a game plan against an immobile QB.

If Simms plays well, then Handley looks good. If Simms plays poorly, and Hoss
comes in to play well, Handley also looks good. If neither QB plays well,
Handley is off the hook.

> ... Im starting to think that the Giants can win Sunday ! It's a
>incurable affliction that strikes me every week about this time no
>matter how bad the prospects.

I definitely think the Giants can win. Especially since they are home.
Remember, any time two division teams get together you can throw their record
out the window - it's usually a close game.

>Go Simms, Go Giants. 

Ditto.
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         Larry Simmons                           larry@aecom.yu.edu
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Speaking of tight ends...
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:03:18 GMT

In article <Bu0x8w.KJy@acsu.buffalo.edu> v120qldp@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (PATRICK FERREL) writes:
>
>One of the main jobs of the Field Judge is to watch the tight end.  I wonder
>what he does during a game between Houston and Atlanta.  =)
>

Well, Atlanta, I know has some mighty fine cheerleaders he can scope out. :-)
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From: mannk@fshvmfk1.VNET.IBM.COM (Ken Mann)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 17:01:28 EDT
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: S. Paige
Reply-To: mannk@fshvmfk1.VNET.IBM.COM
Organization: IBM
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: Usenet 3.0

Mr. Paige is currently a holdout, and after the Freeman McNeil court ruling
has declared himself a free agent (along with Keith Jackson and Webster
Slaughter, and seven others).

Guess you won't see him playing for the Chiefs in the near future.

On a side note - what teams would want this guy after all this?

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From: chehhm@gsusgi1.gsu.edu (Hui Mao)
Subject: Re: Deion back with the Falcons 
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:58:30 GMT

msb2f@csissun8.ee.Virginia.EDU (Michael Scott Brown) writes:

>I was watching Sportscenter this morning and they broke in with the message
>that Deion signed with the Falcons today, but there were no more details.

>Mike Brown
>msb2f@virginia.edu

Yes, Deion signed a 2-million deal with Falcons and went to practice today.  He
will play both baseball (Braves home game and playoff, world series, quite possible) and football.  It was reported that he'll play Falcons' Sunday game against
Washington. 

HM

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From: johndoe@asp.inmet (johndoe)
Subject: Re: Giants/Cowboys: 34 points barely suff*ice*
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 04:55:15 GMT

In article <190b1vINNh5n@news.aero.org> mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
>Whew!!!  Man, I don't want to live through another game like that, 
>and I'm sure that JJ would agree.  This is probably going to be the 
>biggest toungue lashing he has ever given to a team that won in his 
>life, you never saw Miami blow a lead like that.  Very unprofes-

uh, wanna bet?  in his first year coaching miami, they did indeed blow a
lead like that.  they led maryland either 31 or 34 to nothing, only to lose
42-40.

the amazing thing you probably didn't realize was, for the rest of the
country, cbs cut away from this game when the score was 28-0 and dallas had
just intercepted a simms pass.  they didn't even wait for the cowboys to
score.  and so when they cut away to the skins-falcons game, which i didn't
want to see either team win, i decided to do something more fun like clean
the house.

>   *iceline*

johndoe

From: ashton@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ashton Delahoussaye)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:18:54 GMT
Subject: Re: Broncos/Ricky Nattiel
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

In rec.sport.football.pro, blokhead@leland.Stanford.EDU (Darren Pakying Lum) writes:

> Just noticed Nattiel was released by Tampay Bay.
> I've been wondering for several seasons what 
> happened with him and Denver.  He was a 1st rounder
> and very good his 1st year.  Why did the Bucs release
> him and why did the Broncos trade him?  Any possibility
> of Denver picking him back up since they are thin at WR?
> 
> Thanks,
> Darren

Rick Nattiel is once again a Bronco.  He is now wearing number 81 instead of
his usual 84; Shannon Sharpe swiped his number.

Ashton

Bronco Zealot
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From: minor@rtsg.mot.com (Kevin Minor)
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:21:59 GMT

killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa) writes:

|>In <1992Sep10.140553.5880@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
|>>It has to do with "unjust" calls that border on major stupidity!

|>Unjust???  Do you imply that (NFL-)refs are biased?  (1/2 :)

|>>I can accept a team winning on a Hail Mary pass or by luck. I
|>>cannot except the outcome of a game based on the Zebra dudes
|>>making the wrong call.

|>Please define 'luck'.  I personally include officiating mistakes
|>in luck factor.  They happen infrequently, sometimes against you,
|>sometimes for you.

Sorry, I define luck as what really happens in a game not errors by refs.
Remember if both teams play perfect, the ref should not interfere. It 
sounds like according to you that if both teams played perfect, it would
be acceptable to allow refs to randomly change the out come of plays...

I do not intend to turn on the TV or attend a game to see what bad
calls the refs will make. I watch football to see football played.
If I want to see people constantly messing up, I'll turn to C-Span
and watch our politicians... Oh but this is an election year, I can
just watch the news...

|>And BTW, WHAT should be included in IR?  Remeber Monk's touchdown,
|>the IR couldn't have overthrown it if the ref had called for a
|>forced out-of-bounds (It could have been either way from the replay).

What game are you talking about ? Monday night or the Super Bowl.
In the Super Bowl, I though IR made it clear. I missed what you are talking
about on Monday. But I don't think anyone has a problem with letting
the refs make the calls on clearly questionable calls. Hence the rule
conclusive evidence with regards to IR... Let the refs call the close
ones... Use IR to catch the obvious ones.

Someone brought up the question of IR in baseball in a e-mail...
I think it could be good. Would I use IR to call balls and strikes ?
No, the strike zone clearly far too hard to define. Would I use IR to 
decide on foul/fair, trap/catch, safe or out... Yeah probably and
I think it would be nice. Of course in baseball IR wouldn't be a problem,
they would have plenty of time for IR between batters/inning/throws to 
first/etc...
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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee")
Subject: Re: Smith is NOT Sanders
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 20:14:46 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Sep09.230842.9237@bnr.ca> patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.220408.16299@leland.Stanford.EDU>, paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische) writes:
>|> I think the header said it all.
>|> Smith is the second best runner in the NFC now.  He is not Barry Sanders.
>|> Smith can't carry tacklers the way Sanders can.  And although Smith
>|> outgained Sanders last year, it took Sanders being rested on the final
>|> weekend for him to win the title.  And it took him many more carries to do
>|> it.  Sanders is the feature back in a pass-oriented offense.  Smith is the
>|> lone back in a balanced attack.
>|> He's a great player, but don't try to say he's better than Sanders.
>|> Jason Gische
>
>   There's no perfect way to determine who's the best RB.  They play against
>different opponents, in different schemes, with different styles, and with
>offensive teams that emphasize different aspects.  Their surrounding casts
>are different.  So don't tell me Emmitt is second best, because it cannot
>be proven that anyone is better.  Besides, the gist of the post was not
>who was best, but that they had different styles and shouldn't be compared.
>

Yeah, just like you can't prove Emmitt Smith is better than Jamie Morris was for
Washington a while back.  Morris and Smith's styles are drastically different.
Morris, for example, had a style based upon finding the nearest offensive
lineman and running into him repeatedly until tackled by the defense.  I don't
see too much of Smith doing that, so until he does, you can't prove to me that
Smith is any better than Morris was.

:)

Geez, it's like some sort of Pavlovian response.  Imply that other players are
better than a Cowboy and they all come crawling out of the sewer...

(watch this)

"Pat Swilling is a better player than Robert Jones!!!!!!!!!!!"

(see, here they come...I expect no fewer than six responses stating "Robert 
Jones is better than Swilling because he's only the fifth player...blah, blah)

-- 
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Keeper of the R.S.BB FAQ, and Junior Stathead {tm} * OK, so I AM the AntiChrist.
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From: mcs4041@zeus.tamu.edu (SHARAT SHEKHAR)
Subject: GIANTS ........ ARRRRRGGGGHHH !!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 00:27:00 GMT


	is it time to fire Handley or what ??!!

	How the fuck could a team that won a superbowl 2 seasons ago (and that
goal line defense that stuffed the niners at the 1 yd line was a reminder) end
up in this sort of fucking mess .............

	FUCK EVERYTHING ... sorry but i'm, in a nasty mood

	and pardon the f---ing language.
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Mat Millen
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:52:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.163016.29437@sequent.com> schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.152415.20868@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep4.061145.1124@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> asagar@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ashish Sagar) writes:
>>>	>Washington Redskins News of September 2, 1992
>>>
>>>	 >Changes in Redskins' Roster Since Super Bowl XXVI
>>>
>>>OUT:
>>>---
>>>>LB Matt Millen:  
>>>
>>>Is he the player picked up from the 49ers last year.  Was rated to be
>>>a good player and played well for the niners.  I may be mistaken, but it 
>>>used to be said that he was the heart of the Niners team, always encouraging 
>>>players, playing well & leading by example and always peping up everyone.  
>>>Then where did he go wrong for the Redskins.
>>>
>>>(Just an inquiry.  Hope I dont have to again explain to
>>>someone on which planet I was for the last 10 years.)
>>>
>>>
>>It is called football business/management decisions. In reality,
>>I guess they figured he was getting too old to just play on
>>3rd downs and to pay him. Even at that, he was used sparingly last year.
>>-- 
>This is NOT true.  He retired.  He played sparingly toward the end of
>the year because of the teams, the Redskins faced.  He was brought in
>as a run-stop specialist and they ended up playing a lot of
>run-and-shoot type teams in the playoffs.  He was never a third-down
>specialist, except if it was third and short and a run was expected to
>be called.
>
>schalene
>
I have happen to have it from good sources that Millen was TOLD to
retire.:-)  So besides that what else is NOT true!  You admitedly
state he was used sparingly. Isn't that what I stated? DA END!
-- 
        ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
 		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Tough Schedules - Stats - Figure it out.
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 21:19:34 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu


Here is a statistical help at figuring out which team has
'suffered' the most from the draw.

Based on the 1991 results of NON DIVISIONAL OPPONENTS
-----------------------------------------------------

Team		in '91		Opp.rec		%

1.Denver	12-4		81-47		0.633
2.Washington	14-2		79-49		0.617
3.Kansas city	10-6		75-53		0.586
4.Dallas	10-6		74-54		0.578
5.Buffalo	13-3		73-55		0.570
  Detroit	11-5		73-55		0.570
  Raiders	9-7		73-55		0.570
8.New Orleans	10-6		89-71		0.556
9.Philadelphia	10-6		71-57		0.555
10.Chicago	11-5		67-61		0.523
   Miami	8-8		67-61		0.523
   Seattle	7-9		67-61		0.523
13.Houston	11-5		83-77		0.519
14.Giants	8-8		66-62		0.516
   Jets		8-8		66-62		0.516   !!!
16.Atlanta	10-6		82-78		0.513
17.San Fran'co	10-6		80-80		0.500
   Minnesota    8-8		64-64		0.500
19.Pittsburgh	7-9		78-82		0.488
20.Cleveland	6-10		75-85		0.469
   New England	6-10		60-68		0.469
22.Rams		3-13		73-87		0.456
23.Green Bay	4-12		58-70		0.453
24.Cincinnati	3-13		70-90		0.438
25.Tampa Bay	3-13		47-81		0.367
26.Phoneix	4-12		45-83		0.352
27.Indianapolis 1-15		42-86		0.328
28.San Diego	4-12		36-92		0.281


Note: AFC Central and NFC West teams play 10 games out of division.
Others 8 games out of division.

Have an enjoyable season,
bye,


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RAM            	  GO BREWERS - BULLS -93  - HAIL 'SKINS

Politicians' statements tend to have a low specific gravity.
They carry less weight  than their volume would suggest.
		- Jonathan Miller
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From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Position Ratings
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:25:17 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu


MY Ratings
----------

QB's
----

1.Kelly
2.Marino
3.Cunningham
4.Moon
5.Young

RB's
----
1.Sanders
2.Thomas
3.Smith
4.Okoye
5.Bell

WR's
----
1.Clark
2.Rice
3.Lofton
4.Irvin
5.Sterling Sharpe

Coaches
-------
1.Gibbs
2.Schottenheimer
3.Wyche
bye,



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N.Ramasubramanian    GO BREWERS - BULLS -93  - HAIL 'SKINS

Politicians' statements tend to have a low specific gravity.
They carry less weight  than their volume would suggest.
		- Jonathan Miller
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From: rege@bongo.Berkeley.EDU (Ashutosh G. Rege)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Niner's look good (IMHO)
Date: 7 Sep 1992 19:27:02 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: bongo.berkeley.edu

In article <ELM.92Sep7010852@joyride.berkeley.edu> elm@cs.berkeley.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep6.231518.6602@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>[...]
>=>I realize this is only the FIRST game of the season, but if the
>=>Niner's continue, they will be unstoppable.  The Giants looked truly
>=>out of synch.  It is hard to tell if this is due to their inability
>=>or SF's defense and pressure on Simms.
>
>I saw the game too.  The 49ers are in trouble if they play a team
>which is better than the Giants.  The Giants are a team in decline,
>yet they still managed to pressure the QB and did a passable job on
>defense.  The Giants have *never* had much of an offense, so the 49ers
>didn't have any trouble stopping it.

Did we see the same game ? The Niners were marching up and down the
field at will. They were at the Giants' 20 when Watters fumbled, and
were at the Giants 1 when a rather inspired Giants D stopped them. The
score could easily have been 45-14. And not to mention the Rice TD
and the bomb to Taylor both of which were called back due to motion
penalties on Rice, hardly the defense's effect. 

Put pressure on the QB ? Young was scrambling around when he got
belted by Dorsey, though admittedly he had been flushed out to
begin with. The only sack the Niners allowed was on Young in his
second series when he called the wrong play because of the the
concussion. Steve Wallace made LT a non-factor (okay so LT is no
longer the LT of old but he's not a pushover either) and Bono
was completing his passes at will almost. 
 
>From what I saw, the Giants did lack the people to cover the 49er
>players.  The fact that Tom Rathman was so effective means that the
>Giants didn't bother (or weren't able) to cover him.  Turnovers sure
>helped as well -- good teams don't turn the ball over as much as the
>Giants did.

>The true test for the Niners will come next week when they play the
>Bills.  I'd be surprised if the Giants manage to stay above .500 this
>year, given their 6 games against the Cowboys, Redskins, and Eagles.
>
>ethan

It might well be the case that the Giants D is tired and old. But I
don't think the Niner offense is in trouble at all. They're going
to be better than last year for several reasons. The defense is
another matter, and the true test will indeed come against the Bills.
However it should be pointed out that the Niners shot themselves
in the foot at least as often as the Giants did. The Giants scored
their second TD mainly because Harris jumped offside on 4th down and
gave them a 1st down in Niner territory. If one of : the pass rush
or the secondary plays well, the Niners have a good chance to beat
the Bills, and in fact to go all the way. The offense will not be
a problem (of course they're not going to try FG's or punt, just go
for it on 4th down)

Ashu Rege