HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: garrod@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (David Garrod)
Subject: Re: Clinton`s flip-flop on China
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:03:07 GMT

In article <93022.144834MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>, Mark 'Mark' Sachs <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> In article <93019.235123MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>, Mark 'Mark' Sachs
> <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
> 
> >In article <1993Jan16.034345.22985@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>,
> >garrod@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (David Garrod) says:
> >>During the presidential campaign Slick Willy several times
> >>criticized Bush giving Favored Nation status to China.
> >>Clinton has now jsut said he believes it appropriate to continue
> >>the favored nation status. !  Is this flip-flop #4 or 5?
> 
> >I CALL YOU ON THIS ONE. Please cite to me exactly when, where, and
> >under what circumstances Clinton stated that he had changed his mind
> >and would give MFN status to China.
> 
> Well, it's been a few days. Looks like he couldn't. Clinton's
> anti-MFN for China position stands.
> 
Do not infer that the lack of an answer implies substantiation of
your position, but rather a lack of time to both read the postings
and search for the original source.
My source was, in fact, the local paper on (my memory says) Jan 14.
     I was going to go over to the libary this weekend to read
the Washington Post and New York times, if I have time, and if
I find the article in them I will give details.

     You should not read into my ariculating the flip-flops whether
or not I agree with either the flim-flam man`s earlier positions
or his flopped positions.  In fact it`s a mixture of both.
You may assume, however, that I intensely dislike his arrogant
dis-regard for honesty.

He lied about the draft situation and then only came clean much later.
He lied about his womanizing and came partially clean later.
He has flip-flopped on so many issues I`ve lost count.
He didn`t care whether his nomination for Attorney General had broken
the law or not.
Now we learn that his step-sister has been involved in drug dealing
and bank robbery.
What kind of moral values did Clinton learn from his family up-bringing?
Any?

David Garrod

P.S. He also promissed to have a job`s program on offer on the first
day in office.
and he promissed all major players to be working on helath care reform
within two months and for the package to be ready in 100 days.
It`s 97 days and counting!

Xref: sparky alt.president.clinton:1709 alt.rush-limbaugh:14811
From: casey@thebe.ecn.purdue.edu (Kenneth H Casey)
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: DON'T Confirm Les Aspen
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:40:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Forgive the width of my previous posting. I failed to
realize that have a broader view (i.e. wider screen width)
than most readers in these news groups.

Ken

--
casey@ecn.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
From: allan@cs.cornell.edu (James Allan)
Subject: Re: looks like Billary after all...
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:14:26 GMT

csmith@cis.ohio-state.edu (craig edward smith) writes:
>And frankly, some of us do not like the kind of liberal mind that Billary has
>developed. Had she a well-developed conservative mind, on the other hand ...

...she'd be unique?

(Sorry; it was unresistable.)
From: mccarty@add.itg.ti.com (Rick McCarty)
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: Flip-flop?!?
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:34:59
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin, TX
	<1993Jan20.160251.1171@uoft02.utoledo.edu>
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In-reply-to: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu's message of 20 Jan 93 16:02:50 EST

In article <1993Jan20.160251.1171@uoft02.utoledo.edu> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:

>   ggoebel@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Garrett Goebel) writes:
>   >                       A Couple of Questions
>   > 
>   > 1)  How can you realistically expect any elected official to
>   > fulfill, let alone believe in, 100% of their "campaign" promises?
>
>   being a politician shouldn't exempt one from a policy of honesty.
>   if Clinton can't be honest then i'll call him a liar & a cheat
>   just as i'd do with anyone else who lies & cheats. even if i were
>   the type to believe that the end justifies the means, i don't
>   think "getting elected" is a legitimate end.
>
>   jason

I agree.  If we can't rely on what candidates say they'll do, we might
as well have a beauty contest.  Let's line them up, dress 'em in
Spandex, hold talent, poise, and congeniality events - then give the
winner a crown and some roses and parade the new Prez down the walkway
with the Marine Corps band playing Hail to the Chief!

Bill Clinton has clearly shown dishonesty in the handling of his
campaign promises.  Sure, we can't expect 100% compliance - but when we
vote for someone, we do so in part because of what they tell us to
expect from them if elected.

I think some should review the debate tapes - I think it may have been
in the second debate when Clinton told Bush - "He'll say anything to get
elected".  Maybe I couldn't always agree with George Bush's approach to
things, but it turns out that he was really the honest one.

I also remember a segment during one of the debates where Clinton was
being pressed strongly on his statement about raising the taxes on the
rich only.  A review of this exchange compared with post election
statements will clearly show Uncle Bill to be a ... (oh my, I just can't
use the "L" word).

Yeah.  If it wasn't clear before the election, it now should be patently
evident who REALLY will say anything to get elected...

--RJMc
Xref: sparky alt.president.clinton:1816 alt.rush-limbaugh:15215
From: cvafy006@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu (Daniel Rouse, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Clinton blows it twice in just 3 days!
Date: 26 Jan 93 07:15:23 GMT
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: cvafy006

In article <l!p305-@rpi.edu>, cookc@marcus.its.rpi.edu (rocker) writes:
> cvafy006@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu (Daniel Rouse, Jr.) writes:
> 
> 
>>	Clinton is stupid!  In the three days in office he has allowed gays in
>>the military and lifted the gag rule!
> 
> Do tell us when he lifted the ban on gays, since apparently the media
> doesn't know about it yet.
> 
>                   -rocker

	What I inferred is that the ban was already
lifted...since...welll...Clinton is in office.  I took my stand from there!
-- 
Signed,

Daniel Rouse, Jr.
Sophomore, Computer Engineering 
California State Polytechnic University, Pomona (Cal Poly, Pomona)
Email: cvafy006@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu

And now...the moment we've been waiting for.  GamePro magazine and EGM
magazine proudly present:  The Arcade Champion!
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
From: dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews)
Subject: Transcript please
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:55:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho

Someone please post a transcript of the State of the Union address. Thank you.

Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: homosexuals in the military and "pro-life"
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:44:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <1k7h9fINN5u5@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu> csmith@cis.ohio-state.edu (craig edward smith) writes:
>
>Well, a very large percentage of women in the military already _are_ gay. In

    Oh, really?  Please define "very large" with a number that you can
document.

>fact, I have heard many complaints from straight women in the military that
>they were discriminated against. They were passed up for promotions, denied

    What were the conditions of your hearing these complaints?  Do you have
some kind of official connection (I'm serious)?

>perks, etc. all because they were not gay, and their superior officer was.
>
>>2)  Did you hear that the vice-president of Operation Rescue resigned?
>>He hadn't been paying his court-ordered child support and was threatened
>>with jail for it.  Funny isn't it?  He seems to feel that every fetus
>>should be carried to term, but once born, he doesn't give a damn --
>>even for his own children.
>
>Have you ever considered the possibility that he never wanted children in
>the first place, and feels that to force a man to financially support a
>child he does not want even before birth, while allowing a woman a quick,
>easy and relatively inexpensive way out is grossly unfair?

    Incredible non-sequitur.  I thought OR was against abortion.  So,
you're saying that since abortion exists, despite the efforts of OR, that
this guy figures he shouldn't pay child support?  Please clarify this
bizzare connection.
-- 
   ******************************************************************
     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Subject: Re: Clinton blows it twice in just 3 days!
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:00:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.193840.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu> cvafy006@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu (Daniel Rouse, Jr.) writes:
>
>	Clinton is stupid!  In the three days in office he has allowed gays in
>the military and lifted the gag rule!
>
>	First of all, gays do not belong in the military...we need toughies,

  [rant deleted]

  Haw haw haw ...  now back to your cave, neaderthal, before
  someone drops a house on you, too.

  Wayne


Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,talk.politics.misc
From: casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE)
Subject: Re: Special Prosecutor for Zoegate?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:24:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.151256.20941@walter.bellcore.com>, doel@bbq.uucp (Mike Doel) writes...
>This whole fiasco with Zoe Baird is tarnishing the American reputation.  I
>think the only solution is the appointment of a special prosecutor to
>investigate what Clinton knew & when he knew it.  Was Zoe Baird lying to
>Congress yesterday when she said she had only told "senior transition
>officials" of her crimes?  How could Clinton not know this - he's in charge
>right?  Is he's appointing known criminals to head the Justice Department?
> 
>My fellow citizens, there is no other choice.  We must immediately call for
>a special prosecutor to investigate this.  No budget is too large.  No
>timeframe is too long.  This is of vital importance to the American people.
>Call your Senators today!
> 
>Oh, :-) for the humor impaired.

Hear hear!  Yes, I think all of Clinton's personal diaries and records going
back to the beginning of the campaign should be laid bare.  There could be
evidence of a conspiracy to cover-up this whole affair.  Who knows where it
could lead - Warren Christopher, Secretary of State designate, was a 'senior
transition official' - what is his role in all this?  Did he know the facts
and attempt to hide them?  What about Al Gore - was he in the loop?
Undoubtedly former DNC Chairman (and Commerce Secretary designate) Ron Brown was
consulted about cabinet appointments - is he also implicated?  What about
the high-ranking Democrats on the Judiciary Committee?  What about the shadowy
figure of Hillary Clinton - surely she was present at meetings where the
cover-up was planned.

Of course, I suppose if he'd just pardon her, we could put the matter to rest,
although that would only heighten the suspicion that Clinton was doing it to
shield himself from possible impeachment.


Dave

Newsgroups: alt.wais,list.wais-discussion
From: gilbertd@chipmunk.bio.indiana.edu (Don Gilbert)
Subject: Re: xwaisq dying without making noise
Organization: Biology, Indiana University - Bloomington
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:03:52 GMT

In article <1k1bgoINN337@cronkite.cisco.com> ohansen@europe.cisco.com (Ove Hansen) writes:
>xwaisq (from the iubio distribution) keeps on dying for me, without giving

I never checked the client side of wais after making modifications for
this and that.  You would perhaps be best advised to build the current
generic wais from think.com for use as a client.  The modifications
for boolean, phrases & literals that I added are server only, so any
client can use them.

-- don

-- 
Don Gilbert                                     gilbert@bio.indiana.edu
biocomputing office, biology dept., indiana univ., bloomington, in 47405
Xref: sparky alt.wais:776 comp.infosystems.wais:847
From: ohansen@europe.cisco.com (Ove Hansen)
Newsgroups: alt.wais,comp.infosystems.wais
Subject: xwaisq dying without making noise
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:28:40 GMT
Organization: Cisco Systems Europe
NNTP-Posting-Host: europe.cisco.com

xwaisq (from the iubio distribution) keeps on dying for me, without giving
any error messages. After I have done a search I can typically view
five or ten documents, but then it just closes when I try to view another.
No error messages occur anywhere. The distribution was built on a Sun running
4.1.1, with X11R4. Has anyone else experienced this and is there a fix?

Thanks in advance, 

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Newsgroups: alt.wais,comp.infosystems.wais
From: mropp@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Nightmares
Organization: Clark University
Date: 21 JAN 93 20:10:49 GMT

This is Laura
When you get into the elevator at work, do you always have a small tinge of fear creeping up you spine??  When I was younger, everytime I walked up the stairs
was ok.
Are you still afraid of elevators now?
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gb250016@alfred.carleton.ca ( gb student 250016)
Subject: Hypnopompia-or hallucinations upon waking up 
Summary: I am a researcher at Carleton University 
Keywords: hypnopompia, sleep paralysis, hallucinations
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:34:00 GMT

I am a researcher at Carleton University, Canada,  who is interested
in sleep/dream related phenomena. Specifically I wish to hear from
individuals who have had the experience of hypnopompia. Hypnopompia is
the period of wakefulness immediately following waking up. Some people
report that upon waking at night or near the morning, they are aware
that they are awake, but also experience startlingly vivid and
sometimes frightening halluciantions. They may see people, or animals
or other forms in their surroundings. Some also hear "phantom" sounds,
or feel objects which are not there. A common motif is seeing a dark
figure or an "old hag" at the bottom of their bed. We are interested
in studying this experience, and how it relates to aspects of
personality and styles of thinking. If you do have such an experience
to report, please leave a message on the network. Thank you for your
time!!
 

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: amoffitt@superior.carleton.ca (Alan Moffitt)
Subject: flame divine masters
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:37:04 GMT

99.9999999% of the divine masters and dreams had nothing to do with
dreams. Flame flame. Propaganda. 
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: ucc_sbh@pip.shsu.edu (Steven Barrett Hurd)
Subject: problems with lucid dreaming
Organization: Sam Houston State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:56:44 GMT
Distribution: alt.dreams
X-Posted-From: pip.shsu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

After reading many of the postings here, I began trying my fortune at 
lucid dreaming.  I have had them before, but never thought anything of it.

I guess now I am trying too hard, because every time I realize that I am
dreaming and I can do anything I want, I wake up.

This is always preceded by an intense fear that I am going to wake up 
before I can accomplish anything.

Any suggestions?

Steven
ucc_sbh@shsu.edu
From: phuyg@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr P V Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: time flow
Date: 24 Jan 1993 20:02:05 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: chervil.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <justin.727860413@hp750> justin@hp750.me.engr.uky.edu (Justin Sullivan) writes:
>How odd.. I can remember (on several ocassions) being awakened by something
>(too hot, loud noises outside, etc.) during an interesting dream, noting
>the time, and then dozing off again, dreaming the whole time. When I wake up,
>many hours have passed (three or four), and I'm sure I've dreamt the whole
>time..

  Well, the time i quoted about waking up after only a couple of minutes
whilst the dream seemed to last ages was during sleep time where i was
not at all physically tired, whereas in 'normal' sleep where you are fatigued
your body does many other functions before you enter 'dream sleep',
after all, you don't think you dream all the time for a full 8 hours sleep?
I'm no expert on dreams or sleep patterns though, i'm just reciting personal
experience/experimentation and from talking to my friends and seeing a few
documentaries on dreaming...


  Paul V. Smith
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: spinaa@rpi.edu (Matt Garretson)
Subject: Re: Talking in your dreams.
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:05:45 GMT

I've never experienced being unable to speak in dreams. In fact, sometimes
I have trouble keeping by big yap closed; sometimes I wake myself up by
physically saying outloud what I was saying in my dream.

The other night, I woke to the sound of my voice saying "..that's crazy." I
don't remember what I was dreaming, so I don't know if the phrase was part
of the dream, or a sort of commentary or dream play-by-play.

Anyone else talk in your sleep? Have you ever awakened yourself in the
process? 
Organization: Sponsored account, H&Ss Dean'S Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:29:48 -0500 
From: Timothy Ross <tr2k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Gun man

I have had a dream that I am in the bathroom at the university and some
strange man comes to knock on the stall door while I'm busy.  I say that
he cannot come in, so he shoots bullets through the stall door and I
duck down to avoid being shot.  I ask him not to shoot me and he lets me
come out of the stall.  Then he shoots both of my kneecaps, but there is
no blood and it does not hurt.  So he hands the gun over to me and says
"okay, now it is your turn".  The gun is only about 3 inches long and an
inch high.  But of course I take it and proceed to pump  as many bullets
into his head as possible.  He does not die.  Each time a bullet hits
his head he only becomes sort of dizzy and then quickly regains
consciousness.  I keep saying over and over again that I must kill him
because he tried to kill me.  Then he falls to the ground and becomes a
sheet.  A white sheet.  I shout for him to get up so that I can kill him
and he gets up as a sheet with a definite bulk outline of a corpse or a
human underneath.  Then the ambulance comes and "rescues"(?) him and I
wake up.   



Who has any ideas or interpretations for me.  Respond to tr2k@andrew.cmu.edu
From: agwing@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Andrew Wing)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Talking in your dreams.
Date: 28 Jan 93 19:07:13 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Mr P V Smith (phuyg@csv.warwick.ac.uk) wrote:
: ....but if the power of my sword is going down, maybe this dream will
: start to reocurr,then maybe the gun will jam, or he'll have a bullet
: proof vest on, or he just wont die.. then what the hell will i do...

	Try what works for me, throw energy bolts!  I've used heat rays,
lightning and plasma streams to stun, incinerate and turn my dream monsters
into stone.

: Paul V. Smith (The ever-so slightly mad)
	Well, dreams are a place we can all quietly go insane :-)

		Andy Wing
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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: jswyt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John T Swyt)
Subject: Re: S.S Dreamers
Keywords: Ignore this fool, he knows not what he thinks!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:23:37 GMT

>>I was alos wondering if someone could email me with the results as well.
>>I did make it onthe ship and left smoething, but I was unable to send a messa
ge
>>to the referee. O well!
>>another time!
>>
>>TAra{
>
>I'm not sure when Allen (our 3rd person) gets back to campus, or maybe
>he's already there.  (Allen, are ya there?) :)  Anyway, he should be
>posting the results any day now.  Obviously, since the experiment
>officially ended yesterday, he may still be getting email on it.
>
>I never got there! :(:(:(

I'm curious about the results too.  I managed to make it to a ship,
but I didn't realize it until the Basketball I had rolled of the deck.
Anyone else play B-ball on the ship? (perhaps of the female persuasion...?)

                                   The Dog
                                   
                                (jswyt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
From: preiser@cancer.unm.edu (Doug Preiser)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: time flow
Date: 25 Jan 1993 20:02:45 GMT
Organization: UNM Cancer Center
Reply-To: preiser@cancer.unm.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: cancer.unm.edu

In article <1993Jan22.203025.14742@tcsi.com>, miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.152645.25572@mlb.semi.harris.com> bwm@mongoose.ess.harris.com (Bruce McIntosh) writes:
>>Does anyone have observations on how the flow of time in dreams compares to
>>real time? It would seem from my own experience that quite a bit can happen
>>in a dream that is not very long in realtime. Does lucidity have any impact
>>on this? Just curios. Thankyou.
>
>My vague recollection from LaBerge's books is that dream-time and real-time
>are pretty well correlated.  But my personal *experience* is that those
>nodding- off-in-class dreams can be pretty epic compared to the amount of
>time I was asleep.  I don't know if anyone has studied this often-noted
>discrepancy.
>---
>Michael Turner
>miket@tcs.com

LaBerge found that dream time in lucid dreams is equivalent to real time.
I wonder if lucid dreams are a special case and that non-lucid dreams could
have time-compression.

   Internet: preiser@cancer.unm.edu
   Bitnet:   preiser@unmb
From: agwing@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Andrew Wing)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: EXPERIMENT PROPOSAL
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:53:23 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]


	Since signing on to alt.dreams, this group has already figured into
three of my own dreams.  Perhaps we should try to 'meet' in our dreams.
One of my dreams had us all standing knee deep in a water fountain outside
a classical greek building on a university campus somewhere.  Thoughts?

			Andy Wing

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