HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bbs.peter@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Peter Blum)
Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons
Subject: @BANG
Date: 28 Aug 92 05:41:59 GMT
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238

I have seen people with @bang stuff at cons. What is @BANG?

--
Peter Blum (bbs.peter@tsoft.sf-bay.org)
Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons
From: jackie@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca (Jackie (Jiggles) Wilson)
Subject: Dreamcon
Organization: mikejag (mike) is a private system in Vancouver, BC, Canada
Distribution: y
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:48:09 GMT

Help!!

I can't find any information on this years Dreamcon.  Does anybody out
there know anything about it?  

Please respond via alt.fandom.cons or mail me at jackie@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca

Thanks
From: jlewis@astro.as.arizona.edu (Jeff Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons
Subject: WindyCon
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:07:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

Does anyone have any info on this years WindyCon?

I need membership infor etc...

Thanks in advance

Please email me with information at jlewis@astro.as.arizona.edu

Jeff
.
Newsgroups: alt.sci.astro.aips
From: mehr@oskar.uchicago.edu (David Mehringer)
Subject: What exactly are these numbers that BLSUM spits out?
Organization: Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:27:24 GMT

BLSUM spits out two columns of numbers (amoung other things): one is
called total flux and the other relative flux.  The numbers in the
total flux column have units of Jy, which tells me right away that
something is wrong because I'm using an optical depth map.  I have
no clue what the units of the second column are, or even what the
numbers mean.  As I said, I have an optical depth map.  I would like
the mean values in a blotch for each channel.  Is there any way of
extracting this information from the BLSUM output?
--
Dave Mehringer              | 
dmehring@smaug.aoc.nrao.edu |  "Resistance is futile." 
National Radio Astronomy    |     --Borg pickup line
Observatory, Socorro, NM    |
From: il00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ivan Genekey Lau)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject: Re: Question about tachyons
Date: 4 Sep 92 03:11:42 GMT
	<mcirvin.715320528@husc8>
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Now here's a question?

Do tachyons posses negative mass, or imaginary mass.
It seems that if they possessed negative mass, we could
have an infinite amount of energy when coupled with
Conservation of Forces : F=ma

Ivan Lau
il00@andrew.cmu.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:44:55 EDT
From: <EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject: Re: Question about tachyons

We (the beings with real mass) exist in "real" (i.e. not imaginary) time (whate
ver that means).   Since tachyons do exist in imaginary time (this is, of cours
e, assuming that they exist-not that I see why they shouldn't), would they
necessarily be going backwards in time (relative to we "real" people)?  Or
would it be "reverse" for them (i.e. slower than light=backwards in time,
faster=forwards in time)?  Or, do I not have any idea whatsoever in any way,
shape, or form, as to what I'm talking about, as I am also just a miserable
ignorant beginning physics student?
From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject: Re: Question about tachyons
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:08:48 GMT

<EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>We (the beings with real mass) exist in "real" (i.e. not imaginary) time (whate
>ver that means).   Since tachyons do exist in imaginary time (this is, of cours
>e, assuming that they exist-not that I see why they shouldn't), would they
>necessarily be going backwards in time (relative to we "real" people)?

There are really two different issues here.  The proper time for any
interval corresponding to a speed faster than light is imaginary.  I have
no idea what that would imply, though I suspect it might be quite strange.

(What's usually called imaginary time is different from this: it involves
multiplying the time coordinate by a factor of i for everything, so that
certain mathematical operations, like functional integrals, become well-
defined when they would otherwise not converge.  You can then use the
smoothness of the functions involved in the complex plane to say things
about what's going on in real time.  It's a purely mathematicadevice.)

The thing that causes causality problems has nothing to do with the proper
time-- it's that these things are traveling along intervals that can
stretch forwards or backwards in time, depending on inertial frame.  In
other words, if you can make a particle go faster than light, it can
just as easily go backwards in time, and via a particular sort of bankshot
you can send the things into your own past.

 
-- 
Matt McIrvin, Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
From: kristoff@genbank.bio.net (David Kristofferson)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject: Re: Update on New Newsletter
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:29:44 GMT
Organization: GenBank Online Service

Everyone,

	bionet.sci-resources is not a discussion group.  It is used
solely for posting government funding agency announcements.  Please
hold your discussions elsewhere.

				Sincerely,

				Dave Kristofferson
				GenBank Manager

				kristoff@genbank.bio.net

Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
From: tem1@ra.msstate.edu (Tim Miller)
Subject: Question about tachyons
Summary: I wonder...
Keywords: tachyons, time, space, whatever
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 04:31:57 GMT



Just out of curiosity, since tachyons are supposed to have imaginary mass,
travel at faster than light speeds, and therefore travel backwards in
time....would it not seem likely that since they travel backwards we would
constantly observe them.  For example, their (the tachyon) tomorrow would
be our yesterday, hence we should be constantly detecting them?

I'm just wondering because I am a lowly Physics major who hasn't had enough
of Modern Physics to realize that the universe IS just plain complex.

Tim Miller
Mississippi State University

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From: tarl@sw.stratus.com (Tarl Neustaedter)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories,sci.med,bionet.sci-resources,sci.research.careers,sci.geo.geology
Subject: Re: New Newsletter!
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:05:27 GMT
Followup-To: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Aug28.023359.24214@morrow.stanford.edu>, karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) writes:
> [newsletter from hell]
> What about "oil companies buy and suppress design for
> 90 MPG automobile" and "AIDS is a biological warfare
> experiment gone bad"?

You've mis-heard. It's a minor modification to a carburator that will
give you 200mpg. And AIDS is a deliberate attack by the republicans
(subcontracted to the CIA dirty tricks division) against those
who have non-approved lifestyles. 

I kid you not. There are people out there who believe the above.
-- 
         Tarl Neustaedter	tarl@sw.stratus.com
         Marlboro, Mass.	Stratus Computer
Disclaimer: My employer is not responsible for my opinions.
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
From: jc@optimla.aimla.com (John VanHoozer)
Subject: Re: Update on New Newsletter
Reply-To: jc@optimla.aimla.com (John VanHoozer)
Organization: OptImage Interactive Services Co., L.P.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 19:39:17 GMT

In article <87813@netnews.upenn.edu>, rsk@aspen.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) 
writes:
|> In article <182sa1INNlq8@gw.home.vix.com> shedevil@vix.com 
|> (Anne P. Mitchell JD) writes:
|> >Dr. Gian-Carlo Rota, Prof. of Math at MIT [...] says:
|> >The newsletter will be a "truth in science and technology" publication.
|> >It will concern itself with an art which, in our opinion, is well on
|> >the way to becoming extinct -- namely, telling the truth.  [...]
|> >We believe we can establish a network of informants who will 
|> >contribute, either anonymously or under a pseudonym, or under 
|> >their own names (which we would _prefer_) [...]
|> 
|> The second statement above seems to be in direct conflict with the
|> first.  One would hope that a newsletter whose stated prime mission is
|> "telling the truth" would begin by applying that principle to its own
|> publication.  "Telling the truth" includes, in my opinion, giving the
|> true names of its writers and contributors, and most assuredly does not
|> include "establish[ing] a network of informants".  Such techniques are
|> appropriate for only the most scurrilous publications, not for any
|> scientific publication that has expectations of being taken seriously.
|> 
|> Rich Kulawiec
|> rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu


Yes,  I had planned to simply ignore thisAnd hope to never see it again.
Rich is right - it goes back to that discussion concerning earthquake 
predictions that we had going on last month.

Also,  I couldn't figure why it was posted here and if, since the posting
seemed to be a bit of _advertising_,  the net police caught this?

However,  maybe we should have someone start posting stories from this
publication to say... alt.tabloid.stories?



				jc

-- 
___________________________________________________________________________
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OptImage Interactive Services Company, L.P.  |  uunet!{optimage,aimla}!jc
11040 Santa Monica Blvd., Suite #300	     |  Fax:  (310)445-5720
Los Angeles, Ca. 90025			     |  Phone:(310) 445-5721
___________________________________________________________________________
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   Opinions,  yew doone neeed my steenkeeng Opinions.

Carpe Diem:  A carp a day, that's all we ask.
From: sichase@csa1.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject: Re: Question about tachyons
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:55:51 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: na
Reply-To: sichase@csa1.lbl.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.196
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   

In article <kedhDiu00awX8A4Wlf@andrew.cmu.edu>, il00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ivan Genekey Lau) writes...
>Now here's a question?
> 
>Do tachyons posses negative mass, or imaginary mass.
>It seems that if they possessed negative mass, we could
>have an infinite amount of energy when coupled with
>Conservation of Forces : F=ma

I have been posting the sci.physics FAQ to this group, precisely to 
answer questions like this.  You should have seen it on Sunday or Monday,
since it is posted near the first of every month.

Imaginary.

-Scott
--------------------
Scott I. Chase			"The question seems to be of such a character
SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV		that if I should come to life after my death
				and some mathematician were to tell me that it
				had been definitely settled, I think I would
				immediately drop dead again."      - Vandiver
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories,sci.med,bionet.sci-resources,sci.research.careers,sci.geo.geology
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: New Newsletter!
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:33:59 GMT

In article <170sl3INNg28@gw.home.vix.com> shedevil@vix.com
(Anne P. Mitchell JD) writes:

<We believe we can establish a network of informants who will 
<contribute, either anonymously or under a pseudonym, or under 
<their own names (as we would prefer) hot news items ranging over 
<the entire spectrum of today's culture, with special emphasis on 
<science and technology.  Some typical news items might be: an 
<expose of neural networks as multivariate statistical analysis 
<under a new name; a list of the increasingly baffling discoveries 
<that ill-match the Darwinian theory of evolution (as it is 
<understood today), and statistical evidence proving that African
<witchcraft has been a more effective psychiatric cure than Freudian
<psychoanalysis.

What about "oil companies buy and suppress design for
90 MPG automobile" and "AIDS is a biological warfare
experiment gone bad"?


Sign me up as a subscriber, when appropriate.



--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@forel.stanford.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:59:13 EDT
From: <EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject: Re: Question about tachyons
 <92244.214455EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu> <mcirvin.715320528@husc8>
 <kedhDiu00awX8A4Wlf@andrew.cmu.edu>


In article <kedhDiu00awX8A4Wlf@andrew.cmu.edu>, il00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ivan
Genekey Lau) says:
>
>Now here's a question?
>
>Do tachyons posses negative mass, or imaginary mass.
>It seems that if they possessed negative mass, we could
>have an infinite amount of energy when coupled with
>Conservation of Forces : F=ma

Tachyons have imaginary mass.  This can be verified by using the special
relativity equasions: M=Mo/(1-v:2/c:2):(1/2)

M is your mass at a certain velocity, v; Mo is your mass at rest.  c, of course
is the speed of light.

              Eylon
From: EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject: Tachyons
Date: 30 Aug 92 23:43:16 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

So far, Tachyons have not been detected.  What I'm curious about is:  since
Tachyon have imaginary mass, how would one go about detecting them?  How much
do we know about interacting with imaginary mass?
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
From: goldberg@unixg.ubc.ca (Goldberg Andrew)
Subject: Re: New Newsletter!
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 07:11:30 GMT

In article <5985@transfer.stratus.com> tarl@sw.stratus.com (Tarl Neustaedter) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.023359.24214@morrow.stanford.edu>, karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) writes:
>> [newsletter from hell]
>> What about "oil companies buy and suppress design for
>> 90 MPG automobile" and "AIDS is a biological warfare
>> experiment gone bad"?
>
>You've mis-heard. It's a minor modification to a carburator that will
>give you 200mpg. And AIDS is a deliberate attack by the republicans
>(subcontracted to the CIA dirty tricks division) against those
>who have non-approved lifestyles. 
>
>I kid you not. There are people out there who believe the above.

Yup.  Probably as many who believe that technology can cure greed-driven 
societal ills and/or that AIDS is a deliberate attack by God upon those
deserving.  

P.S.  If it's nasty and able to be conceived by humans, the CIA has at least
considered, if not attempeted to implement it. 
-- 
Mucho Maas       Human Race Life Member - "The best insanity is no defense"

------------------c/o goldberg@unixg.ubc.ca----------------------------------

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From: rsk@aspen.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories,sci.research,sci.research.careers,bionet.sci-resources,sci.med,sci.geo.geology
Subject: Re: Update on New Newsletter
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:15:59 GMT
Followup-To: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Organization: Cardiothoracic Imaging Research Center

In article <182sa1INNlq8@gw.home.vix.com> shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD) writes:
>Dr. Gian-Carlo Rota, Prof. of Math at MIT [...] says:
>The newsletter will be a "truth in science and technology" publication.
>It will concern itself with an art which, in our opinion, is well on
>the way to becoming extinct -- namely, telling the truth.  [...]
>We believe we can establish a network of informants who will 
>contribute, either anonymously or under a pseudonym, or under 
>their own names (which we would _prefer_) [...]

The second statement above seems to be in direct conflict with the
first.  One would hope that a newsletter whose stated prime mission is
"telling the truth" would begin by applying that principle to its own
publication.  "Telling the truth" includes, in my opinion, giving the
true names of its writers and contributors, and most assuredly does not
include "establish[ing] a network of informants".  Such techniques are
appropriate for only the most scurrilous publications, not for any
scientific publication that has expectations of being taken seriously.

Rich Kulawiec
rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu
From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject: Re: Question about tachyons
Keywords: tachyons, time, space, whatever
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:17:12 GMT

tem1@ra.msstate.edu (Tim Miller) writes:

>Just out of curiosity, since tachyons are supposed to have imaginary mass,
>travel at faster than light speeds, and therefore travel backwards in
>time....

I'd just like to add a small clarification, because this is sometimes
a source of confusion.  Real objects traveling faster than light
would not *necessarily* travel backwards in time for everybody.
They would travel backwards in time for observers in certain inertial 
frames.  If special relativity is maintained, these inertial 
frames are as good as anybody's, so if you had a tachyon transmitter
and receiver you could, by judicious means of Lorentz boosts, send
messages to yesterday.  But in any given frame, tachyons could
move forwards or backwards in time, or simply travel instantaneously.

>would it not seem likely that since they travel backwards we would
>constantly observe them.  For example, their (the tachyon) tomorrow would
>be our yesterday, hence we should be constantly detecting them?

I don't quite follow this.  It seems to me like interaction with a
detector shouldn't particularly depend on when the object's future
occurs, except insofar as there are weird kinematics in the
interaction from p^2 c^2 > E^2.  Whether tachyons could be detected
would depend on the interactions they have with matter.

See the sci.physics FAQ list for more information on these 
apparently nonexistent entities.
 
>I'm just wondering because I am a lowly Physics major who hasn't had enough
>of Modern Physics to realize that the universe IS just plain complex.

Sounds like you're realized it already.
-- 
Matt McIrvin, Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA 
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.acoustics
From: tshann@deepquest.oe.fau.edu (Ted_Shannon)
Subject: PVDF transducers
Organization: Center for Marine Acoustics and Vibrations
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:00:05 GMT



Hi!
	My advisor just suggested looking into constructing PVDF 
transducers for my research.  I am looking for literature and
information supporting PVDF theory and construction.
	I guess there is an inverse relationship between size and
sensitivity on these.  My intention is to approach 
omnidirectionality by getting the transducer small enough but, 
of course, I am concerned with maintaining adequate sensitivity.

	Please post or email > tshann@transquest.oe.fau.edu

				Thanks much, 
				Ted Shannon
From: michal+@cs.cmu.edu (Michal Prussak)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: Re: F1 <=> no money
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:50:01 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Sep4.022547.3844@csus.edu> aalis@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Al Bundy) writes:
>In article <92247.193151KSADEGH@auvm.american.edu> Kayvon Z. Sadeghi <KSADEGH@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>>hi guys
>>
>>I have a friend who is in F1 status. He is facing some financial problems
>>right now and is unable to pay his tution. Can he just skip this semester

>In my school, if you are a foreign student and cannot
>pay the tuition in full, you can pay installment in
>three months, of course they slap you with 15 % interest
>fot those three months, and if you don't pay, they give
>you W for all your classes (even if you skip on the first

I have also experienced temporary financial problems due to the Gulf war:

I have been able to pay my tuition in installments for 2-3 months without
paying any penalties (thanks to helpful cashiers office).

Later, my brother exercised not paying Spring tuition until
August. The drawbacks of this were: penalty fees ($30/month, or so,
which is small compared with $3300 bill); in August the matter
was getting on its way to Attorney General; he was unable to 
pre-register for Fall courses. But, after paying the balance, 
everything went back to normal.

So, if the financial problems are only temporary, that, together with
credit card payments might offer some solutions. Otherwise,
hmmm, banks probably won't lend money, you probably won't make
enough by working for $4/hr, so going home might not be such a bad
idea... It will save a lot of frustration...

Michal
From: mparikh@uceng.UC.EDU ( )
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: F-2 information
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:14:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati

Hi!

Could some kind, knowledgable soul pls. post / mail info. about what I need
to do to maximize my chances of getting my spouse here on F-2 visa?

This would mean, info. about the documents I need to send, and info. about
how she needs to responds to the consulate questions.

Pls. mail it to:

			parikhma@ucunix.san.uc.edu

Thanks.

-M. Parikh
From: aalis@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Al Bundy)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: Re: Green Card to US citizen, 4, 5 or 6 years ?
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:24:49 GMT
Organization: San Francisco State University

In article <GUMBY.92Aug27072526@Cygnus.COM> gumby@Cygnus.COM (David V. Henkel-Wallace) writes:
>   Date: 26 Aug 92 20:57:53 GMT
>   From: aalis@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Al Bundy)
>
>   I heard that a lot of people had been doing this in the past to
>   save time to get the US citizenship, but somebody said that it's
>   not okay anymore (have to wait for 5 year before can send the
>   citizenship application, --> total time needed, 6 years !)
>
>Pardon my asking, but what's the rush?


So that theycan sponsor their families back home faster !!
sometimes 1 months can make a difference between coming to
America or caught in the middle of civil war :(
From: PXH@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: category two status?
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:48:18 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Would anyone please provide information on the status of the Category Two
applications for green cards, for Indian nationals?  I mean, if you have a
priority date of Jan 1992, any ideas on how long before you get the green
card?

Deepti

Deepti Pradhan  PXH@PSUVM.PSU.EDU         (814)863-1767 (Work)
430 S. Frear Lab                          (814)231-0503 (Home)
Penn State University
University Park, PA-16802
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: ktong@shannon.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Tong)
Subject: VISA LOTTERY (Can someone forward me the FAQ or info on this)
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Section 331
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:13:40 GMT


I'm sorry to bring this up again, but I lost the posting
on the VISA lottery that someone posted a while back.

Can someone forward me this file or information.

Thanks!

-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Kevin Tong, (818) 354-0657      Jet Propulsion Laboratory, MS 238-420
ktong@shannon.jpl.nasa.gov       Pasadena, California  91109
---------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: exumukh@exu.ericsson.se (Subrata Mukherjee)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Labor certification/Green card
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:57:20 GMT
Reply-To: exumukh@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.


Hi Netters:

   After talking to my lawyer regarding labor certification/green card
interview, looks like it may take one year to complete the whole process.
That sounds too long to me. That's why I'm requesting the knowledgeable
netters to inform me how much time it might take.

   All paperwork for me is ready and the advertisement for the position	is 
to be done this week. I work in Texas,

   So how long will it take to get the labor certification done? After
that how long do I have to wait for the greencard interview?

   Please post your responses or send me an e-mail.

   Regards,

           Subrata   
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us