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From: flar@iastate.edu (Bradley M Armitage)
Subject: Re: Dracula Criticism
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:04:22 GMT

In <1992Nov19.205623.935@news.unomaha.edu> werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner) writes:

>I am not lame enough to use the text which has been used too much already.
>Jeff--you suck
>Brad--you also suck

Eric, a personal attack, ad hominem?????  That was uncalled for, out of
line, and certainly sophmoric at best.....ist htis what you are reduced
to, bashing other people for having an oppinion differing from, your
own???  I haven't said one nasty thing about you, just that I did not
like the movie and supported the ideas expressed by Jeff.....Your
comment was out of place and unnecessary!

>What the hell do critics know?  Whenb you come down to it, they tell you what
>they think you should like.  I liked the movie, and the people I went with 
>liked the movie.  The movie does not suck.  The movie does not rock.  The movie
>was pleasing to me and my friends.  The movie was not pleasing to many of you 

>who are wasting space on the board.  Say "I didn't like the movie" or
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"I liked
 
>the movie."  The movie is only the movie and as an inanimate object, it cannot
>either suck or rock.
>-- 
>Never trust the obvious.-- "This," I said pleasantly, "is known as getting it 
>on." Charlie Decker, from Stephen King's "Rage"-- "Oh, shit!" anon. wise man--
>ALBATROSS!-- It's amazing what you can do, if you don't know you can't do it.
>"Denn die Toten reiten schnell." passanger from Bram Stoker's "Dracula"-------

Right, whatever all that means....is that your sig line??????

as for wasting space, I thought this was a very appropriate place to
discuss ffc's Dracula (odd accent), where else?????

The discussions up till now, Eric have been very poingent and
stimulating, even enjoiable, till you had to go and call Jeff and I
names....to bad you had to go and dgrade what I thougth was a great
discussion.  We will all have our differing opinions on well everything,
if you are in so much love with this inannimate object, ffc's Dracula
(again, odd accent) then don't read this thread, rather go and do
something constructive......

And, no, I don't suck!

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From: z_coolidgejs@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: werewolf newsgroup, how I found vampires
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:33:13 CST
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <!@@@#%$@#$&$&^&$???>, mbur@nyx.cs.du.edu (MAC) writes:
  
> For those interested, I just issued a newgroup for alt.horror.werewolves.
> It should be making its way to your site in the next day or so.
  
> TTFN,
> M

I guess the newsgroup name alt.oh.no.it's.happening fell through.  :) 
Seriously, I'm glad it came together.  Now we don't have to bug the vampyre
people anymore.  Seryously,
      Will the newsgroup appear magically in my newsrc program on my VAX
account?  Or will I have to delete it and get a new newsrc?  Or, is there the
possibility that my site won't carry it?  (I read something about an alt.wolves
newsgroup.  I have not seen it, or else I would have been on it some time ago.)

      While I'm in the area, I remember someone doing a survey of how people
became interested in vampires.  I'll admit that I'm a bit of a vampire fan, or
else I would not have found this group.
      Werewolves and vampires are close together.  According to Joshua York in
_Fevre Dream_ (a wonderful Vampire novel, by the way, by George R. R. Martin. 
Check it out.), they are "...two different sides of the same dark coin."  My
interest in werewolves traces back to May 4, 1987 when I watched, of all
things, the movie _Teen Wolf_ on network TV.  I started developing my own
werewolf story, and from there it evolved from a petty thread in my mind into
the most well developed story I have ever imagined.
      Every time I tried to find out more info on werewolves, vampires were not
that far away.  Some legends mixed them up together.  Vlkolak, for example, is
a name for both creatures.  Werewolves in death according to some legends leads
to vampirism.  Both conditions are considered diseases in some modern stories. 
Both lycanthropes and vampires have a nasty, enticing bite.  And both attract a
swarm of Freudians who discuss their sexual imagery.
      But vampires have so much better movies.  In all of werewolf cinema there
is only a handful of good movies.  Vampires, on the other paw, have all sorts
of nifty flicks out there.  They even have a lead guy--Count Dracula.  The
closest that werewolves have had is Larry Talbot, the Wolf Man, but he lacks
Draula's literary history.
      Well, thanks for lending me your ears, be they round, pointed, or furry.

Z_CoolidgeJS@ccsvax.sfasu.edu      Jonathan S. Coolidge
   A___A         "Don't stray from the path,
  / o o \         never eat a wind fallen apple,
  \/\ /\/         and most important of all, never
     "            trust a man whose eyebrows meet..."
                    --The Grandmother from _The Company of Wolves_
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: seto@ll.mit.edu (Seton Seto)
Subject: Re: Coppula's DRACULA
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 17:00:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.210202.12648@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>, flindholm@mta.ca writes:
|> 
|>   I'm pretty excited about this film but I just saw the book for the movie.
|> The begining of the book (all I allowed myself to read) is not Bram Stockers.
|> In fact the book of the movie is nothing like Stockers at all when it comes
|> to the style of writing. Stocker wrote Dracula as a series of journels
|> while this book is a novel in the modern sense of the word. I can understand
|> the need for adaptation, however and hope the movie will fufill my 
|> expectations.
|>                  Cyrus

I just saw the movie Monday night and it was not as good as it was all hyped-up to be.  It had some good special-effects but the story was so lame.  Save your $7 and wait for the tape.  
		- Seton
From: BIOROID@cyberweb.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: What an icky, icky movie. SPOILERS
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 08:48:07 PST

Re: Re: What an icky, icky movie. SPOILERS
By: raven #0 @Nocturne.Boulder-Creek.CA.US (System Ninja) USEnet      
 
> I heard just the opposite about the preview and re-editing: supposely,
> several people *vomited* from the excessive gore, so these scenes
> were "trimmed."

I saw the film yesterday and I'm wondering if anybody was AWAKE enough to
vomit. It was very slow and, except for Hopkins, uninteresting. I went with
some other folks from the movie industry (other make-up artists) and ther
general opinion was that we had seen better effect in old Hammer films. I
could site them one by one but why waste bandwidth? The makep-ups on Drac
were fine, there was time and money spent there but the rest of show? Cut it
up and make guitar picks from the stock.

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From: donaldc@thans.cs.dal.ca (Donald Chisholm)
Subject: Vampyre Archive?
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:50:33 GMT

	I appologise if this is a FAQ, but is there any site that maintains 
an archive of Vampyre stories, and or, Vampyre images?

Thanks,

Don Chisholm

p.s. Reply by E-mail is preferred.
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie (Nascent Virion.....)
Subject: REQ: *unbiased* review of Film for 'Zine.
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:42:31 GMT

I run a very small scale 'ZIne here in Dublin Ireland called
Prometheus. It has a lot of articles pertaining to more Gothic music 
etc.. but I want something more.

In the last issue we reviewed Alien 3 which just came out here over the
summer, but by the time the zine went to press it was out of date.

So I am looking for an honest thought provoking review of FFC Dracula.
I don't want a Flame on the film. Criticism is fine.. But a 
description of the ambience... and what is really good about the film 
would be appreciated. [The chances are the film won't reach here 'til
after Christmas]. So any help would be appreciated. I've been keeping an eye
on what people thought of it here and I am dying to see it myself so...

Please... Any help would be appreciated.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-John Mc Donagh.                   ~~                         {Nascent Virion}
mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie              ~~         "I dress my tears in costumes.."
				   ~~
"The next performance is a comedy, Beware of the soothsayers sop
 Untangle the pearls, Don't hinder the pages, Beat the reaper to the crop."
From: wj_wigna@csd.uwe.ac.uk (Vampyre)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: vampyre girls
Date: 21 Nov 92 00:56:53 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

Why is is that all female vampyres are portrayed as being very voluptuous,
and very attractive? If this is so, why are there no girls like this round here???
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: rgoldberg@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: re: Dracula spoiler (1465
Organization: Clark University
Date: 18 NOV 92 17:24:58 GMT

Did you *really* expect a box-office hit to be an accurate adaptation of the 
book???????????  I, for one, loved the film, and I really enjoyed the way FFC 
worked in other vampire legends.  You didn't like the fact that Dracula had a 
wife-- did you notice that she was named Elizabetha?  A reference to Elizabeth 
Bathory, perhaps?  And you say that only Dracul was a member of the Order of 
the Dragon-- I think (I could be wrong) that Dracula was involved with them as 
well.  At least, he did fight the Turks.  And I liked laughing at Van Helsing, 
just as I did while reading The Dracula Tapes.  I think FCC showed real talent 
in working in different stuff.  Open your mind up a bit more, and remember, 
the movie is *never* like the book.  Never has and never will be.
From: JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu (Jon Leistiko)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampires-evil?
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:20:14 GMT
 <1992Nov12.195144.11845@news.unomaha.edu> <1e0parINNn66@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
Organization: Penn State University

Greetings...

     Kendall says:

]>An avg Bio-Physical vampire doesn't ever hardly kill his victim, in fact
]>both the vampire and the victim are in total ecstacy, also, when a vampire
]>feeds (any type of vampire!) it doesn't need to keep on feeding, there is
]>a point where a vampire can get overfull..

     Here goes...
     (1) What is the "average" B-P vampire? - The ancient Nosferatu?  Brahm
         Stoker's Dracula?  White Wolf's cheezy "13 varieties" fakelore
         vampires?  Anne Rice's vamps?
   (1.5) What's this about "hardly ever" killing their victims? - There are
         _many_ vampire mythologies which _mandate_ that death follows
         vampiric association!!!  Intercourse (meaning association) with
         vampires is almost invariably fatal!
     (2) There is no mandate that feeding creates ecstacy - that is a
         "modern" convention... Which brings me to this - I'm getting a
         little rabid because... well, let me just say that RPG's (role
         playing games) are not the end-all and be-all of mythology...
         There are sources of data which existed _before_ 1970 and were
         not created for the express purpose of making a buck.

                                             Take Care, All...
                                                             - Jonathan
From: kendall@cats.ucsc.edu (Hadu-Ken)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampires-evil?
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:21:30 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


Jonathon just said :
>> What is the "average" B-P vampire?

OK, first of all, I want you to drop all pre-concieved notions of what vampires
are, from those books, myths , etc. They are all false, just trust me on this
one... An avg BP vampire is one who isn't abnormal in his/her feeding patterns 
. Simple, eh?

>>What's this about "hardly ever" killing their victims?

There you are on that mythology crap again. Trust me on this one too, 
most Bios don't kill their victim unless they are doing it because they are in
a chaotic rage.

>> There is no mandate that feeding creates ecstacy 

Heheheh, Feeding is ecstacy :)

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From: flindholm@mta.ca
Subject: Re: Other vampires?
Reply-To: flindholm@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:01:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.170122.14705@serval.net.wsu.edu>, hbechtel@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (H. E. Bechtel) writes:
>The one main reason why you don't hear much about real vampires...
>
>The vampire's biggest secret is that nobody truly believes in them.
>
>Hans

  The problem with vampyres is the same one we have with all mysteries. 
They're impossible to prove or disprove. However, if they do exist they're
days are numbered. Living in the information age makes life very difficult
for people who don't die. The only thing I can see them doing is living
in the third world. Life would be good there. Corrupt police, bad records
and no one would question someone disappearing during the night.
        Cyrus

Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: alee@ellis.uchicago.edu (Steele Alloy)
Subject: Best Vampire Movies
Reply-To: alee@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:47:18 GMT

FFC's Dracula may not have been that great - but if you want to see
a REALLY good vampire movie, check out "Fright Night" (the first one).
It's a really, really good vampire movie set in a contemporary time,
starring Chris Sarandon (from Princess Bride) as the main vampire.

Trust me, it's a good movie. Watch it.
- Steele
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Don'tcha love it?   User    : God dammit! Not again! Aaaarrrrgggghhhh!!!!!!!!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:46:27 EST
From: <SXZ104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Join our Clan

   Greetings,

We welcome all with open arms and fangs...

Join our Clan and feel the rage of the Beast within.

PAX !!
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: tdl001@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re: Lestat Movie
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:51:42 GMT

	This talk of a Lestat movie is all very interesting.....From what I've
heard and read a Lestat screenplay DOES exist and Sting reportedly has agreed
to play the lead role. Fact or fiction? Truth or rumor? Or just one of those
things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......................

Buffy
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: flar@iastate.edu (Bradley M Armitage)
Subject: Re: How to watch FCC's Dracula!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:13:40 GMT

In <1992Nov19.120219.2826@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> modowd@lonestar.utsa.edu (Michael T. O'Dowd) writes:

>You really want to know how to watch this movie? Take two hits of X
>and drink 3 cokes. Then go to the latest showing in digital stereo.
>Sit in the 8th row and make sure you don't pee your pants.
                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Michael
>-- 

>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     It's not the fall that kills you, it's the impact on the rocks below.
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From laughing, right????

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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: tabaer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Troy A Baer)
Subject: Dracula Soundtrack?
Summary: Is there one?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:40:41 GMT

Is there going to be a soundtrack CD for F.F. Coppola's new Dracula?  I
enjoyed the score, and I would like to have it for background music for
Vampire: the Masquerade, Call of Cthulhu, and other horror RPG's.  I checked
in a couple record stores in the OSU campus area yesterday, but couldn't
find anything.

In any case, all help is greatly appreciated.

	--Troy
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Note:  Most leading theologians claim this argument is a load of dingo's
	kidneys.
From: kendall@cats.ucsc.edu (Hadu-Ken)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Compiled music list?
Keywords: music
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:19:00 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


 Yeah, Fade to Black by Metallica, and every Metallica song made.

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From: osiris@crash.cts.com (James Lanaghan)
Subject: Re: Vampire the Masquerade
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 15 Nov 92 11:02:37 GMT
Keywords: RPG, Vampire, Masquerade

In <BxoByy.8D2@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> branwen@sage.cc.purdue.edu ( ) writes:

>      Why do messages like this continually pop up?  Just tell osiris (james)
>the address and let him check it out.  Why must he let you know if he wants
>it?  Just post the address with your original reply, and get on with it.
>Because you see, now I must ask for the address as well.  So now everyone must
>see my posting because you didn't give the information you had the first time
>it was needed.  
>      Besides, there is no reason we cannot discuss things from vampire the 
>masquerade on this news group.  It is about vampires, after all.

It wasn't I who needed the address, I was the one mentioning the mail list.  I
don't mind disscussing WW product on here but if it ever really got heavy too
much bandwith would be wasted for going over the same info done on the mail
list.
From: osiris@crash.cts.com (James Lanaghan)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Compiled music list?
Keywords: music
Date: 18 Nov 92 11:06:58 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

I was wondering their has been some great suggestions on music, but has anyone
been gathering the groups, and song suggested?  And if someone has could they
send me a copy of what they have so far?
Xref: sparky alt.vampyres:1576 alt.horror:5050
From: tillis@icpsr.umich.edu (Eddie Tillis)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres,alt.horror
Subject: Re: Dracula, Necroscope, movies.
Date: 23 Nov 1992 06:20:07 GMT
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
NNTP-Posting-Host: tdis.icpsr.umich.edu

NECROSCOPE SPOILERS AHEAD













In article <1992Nov20.211249.4721@coopsol.com> gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
>
>Yes, I saw the FFC Dracula.  I liked it.  I'm not saying I loved it, but I
>thought it was very interesting.  Anyway...
>
>I don't know if this has been discussed here before, but has anyone heard
>of the Necroscope series being made into a movie?  Now *that* would be a
>horror movie.  I know that a comic book is now available, but I was hoping
>to someday see Harry Keogh raise the dead on a big screen. ;-)  It would
>make a great cross (no pun intended) between Alien and Vampires.
>
>
I seem to remember several battles in the "Necroscope" series where both
Harry Keogh and Harry Jr. used sunlight reflected from Sunside as a weapon 
against the Wamphyri. I don't think it killed them immediately, but I got
the impression that prolonged sunlight would. Or at least it would cause
injuries that weakened vampires couldn't heal.  The only one I remember being
able to walk in sunlight was Yulian Bodescu, and that was before he had changed
into a "real" Vampire.

By the way, I seem to remember someone saying that there was a sixth "Necrosope"
book. The title and any other pertinent info would be greatly appreciated.
Perhaps the hype printed on the back cover? Thanks in advance!

ET

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From: ahughes@jarthur.claremont.edu (The Fool)
Subject: Re: Vampires-evil
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 08:49:29 GMT

In article <BxuFDu.9vB@ns1.nodak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:
>Hadu-Ken wrote:
>
>>Cyrus just said :
>>>I think it is justifiable to call vampires evil, or to be more precise,
>>>it takes an evil person to make a good vampire.
>>
>>Alright, let me clear up this vampire "evil" thing you guys are so concerned
>>about. First, a vampire is evil, no doubt about, it is the ALIGNMENT of the
>>vampire that determines what he/she does, I.E. A Lawful Evil vampire will
>>never ever attack little children for food.
>
>I'm glad to see people using that icon of philosophical thought, Gary Gygax,
>to define their morality. The alignments from D&D, a great idea when role
>playing was in its infancy, hardly are great for philosophical discussions
>on the nature of evil.
>
>>OK?
>
>Not yet.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! If we're going to discuss this, let's 
try to use reason. "Because I say so" and "because the game I like to play
says so" are *not* valid bases for a point. Back it up, folks! Maybe try
explaining what set of myths you're using as the source of your info on the
subject (I admit to a preference for something more than 20 years old myself,
but suit yourselves), explain what you mean by "evil" and why you think/don't
think vampires qualify. Maybe if people will actually discuss this reasonably 
we can have a good debate here, but so far there has been far too much
childish "I say it's this but I won't try to explain" junk.

				The Fool
				    ;-)