HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: USAir Lowers Miles Needed for Europe
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 05:59:31 GMT

raghu@enh.nist.gov wrote: 
->what are the most attractive deals right now in the frequent flyer program.
->I am planning a trip to India soon and a good choice of airline should 
->consider this infomation also, I have decided. 

air india is in cahoots with twa ... at least they usedta be.  maybe a
better bet would be to use singapore (in cahoots with american) or
cathay pacific (ditto).

->Anyone offering double/triple miles for example?

hoohoohooheehheeheeheehahahahahaha!

you a stand up comedian or a historian?  triple mileage is largely a
thing of the past (occasionally it happens, but not for very long...)

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry)
Subject: Re: Cryin' baby express ... what to do?
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:28:19 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <16958@autodesk.COM> booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards) writes:
>
>I'd like to know where the hell these mommies and daddies get the money
>to take Baby to Honolulu. I did not get to Honolulu until I was 24.
>I sat there, mystified at the families taking infants to Honolulu on
>holiday when the infants would not remember the trip, mom had to slave
>away changing diapers and dad could not Get Any because mom was so worn
>out waiting on Baby hand and foot. Why bother? 

Because, thanks to the mobility of the American population, there are
no nearby parents, aunts, etc. to leave the children with when you go on
vacation.  If the choice is between no vacation travel for (number of
children times 3) years and taking small children on the plane,
millions of Americans will grit their teeth and take the children
with.  Half a vacation is better than none at all.

Believe me, I don't fly with a baby for the joy of it; I fly because
it's the only way for my Massachusetts-dwelling daughter to meet her 
Indianan and North Carolinian grandparents, or her Georgian aunts
and uncles.  (Yes, half the time they do fly to us.)   I do my best 
to entertain and quiet my daughter during those long flights, and so 
far (touch wood) we haven't made a nuisance of ourselves.  

Children are an inconvenience.  Where possible, I try to make sure
that mine inconvenience only me; but I'll be damned if I'll 
avoid using all public accommodations (airplanes, shopping centers, 
grocery stores) until my daughter is old enough to behave in an
adult fashion.   There are situations that can reasonably be expected
to be adult-only; air travel is not one of them.
-- 
Betsy Hanes Perry   (note P in userid)     betsyp@apollo.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard Company
"It seems to us that the readers who want fiction to be like life are
considerably outnumbered by those who would like life to be like fiction."
From: konstan@elmer-fudd.cs.berkeley.edu (Joe Konstan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Protocol for Ticket Sales Postings
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:47:45 GMT
Organization: Picasso Research Group, UCB Computer Science Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: elmer-fudd.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Jul22.214350.14138@ee.gatech.edu>, tucker@eedsp.gatech.edu (Jeff Tucker) writes:
|> I'm sure that many of you know that a sizable percentage of traffic
|> in this newsgroup is postings for tickets for sale.  Given that that
|> is appropriate for this newsgroup, it would be nice to be able to filter
|> out these postings for those who aren't interested in them.

I actually think that this is the wrong place for this large number of 
forsale postings.  I'm not sure it is appropriate or efficient to have them
at all (anyone have an idea what percentage are actually sold), especially
since few of them warn unwary buyers that the tickets are not "MALE" or 
"FEMALE" but actually have a specific name on them.  Also, I've noticed
many postings offerring coupons for sale that are available elsewhere for 
free.

A couple of suggestions:

1)  How about just using local .wanted, .forsale, and .market groups.  Very
    few people in Florida care about a ticket from Seattle to San Francisco
    and vice versa.

2)  If enough people think it is desirable, how about an
    alt.market.air-tickets group for starters?  If there is real demand it 
    could become rec.travel.air.market.  

3)  Let's only have coupons offered in rec.travel.air that are (1) free or
    (2) just for the price of postage.  Also, please cancel any article if
    the item is already sold (ask locally if you aren't sure how to).  

These are just my ideas, based on the idea that this is a consumer-style
group (people posting information of general interest and for general benefit)
rather than a market-style one.  

Also, perhaps there should be an automated posting that specifically 
explains the risks (and rewards) of trying to use others tickets.  I imagine
that this would need regular updating since some details (such as the fact
that most "Summer Fares" cannot be changed outbound for the $25 often
posted) change regularly.

I don't know enough to put together such a posting, but if nobody else 
wants to I'll collect information together. 

Joe Konstan
konstan@cs.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: FEAR & BOEING 767
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 22:46:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.190948.14896@leland.Stanford.EDU> valardin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Heck) writes:
>Except that about a year ago or so a 767 dissintegrated over Thailand
>due to a thrust reverser that went off in mid air during a power
>climb. Not that having fewer engines makes this any more harmful, but
>it does reflect the fact that this is a newer plane and not designed
>from the ground up with its own components like the new Airbuses.

Could you explain what you are trying to say here?  That the 767 is less
safe than the airbuses because it is newer than the new airbuses?  That
makes no sense.  That the 767 was not designed from the ground up?  That's
not true.  What _are_ you trying to say here?

RNA
From: mcb@foucault.postmodern.com (Michael C. Berch)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Aero Flot Travel
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:50:23 GMT
Organization: Postmodern Consulting, San Francisco, California USA

In the referenced article, henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
> kells@iis.ethz.ch (Kevin Kells) wrote:
> >2. Seating was first-come, first-served even though I had a seat assignment.
> >There was only one "class" on all the flights (relic of the communist era?).
>
> i dunno ... i remember being shocked some years ago when passing by
> the aeroflot office in nyc ... i ducked in and picked up some
> brochures ... noticed no CRTs on the agent desks ... the brochures
> claimed that a first class (which had some gimmick name--bourgeois
> class :>) was available out of new york.

According to Eaasy Sabre (I was looking at some western Europe <-> Russia
flights a couple days ago) Aeroflot offers three classes (F/C/Y) on most
international flights, including FRA-SVO, CDG-SVO, LHR-SVO, PRG-SVO, and (I
thought) ZRH-SVO.  You can obtain published fares for these flights
and book space on Eaasy Sabre.  Whether they actually correspond to
different seating cabins and/or level or service is another story, of
course.

I do know that on Boeing and Airbus aircraft that Aeroflot has
acquired (I don't know if they have any new Boeings, but they do have
new A310s) there are the usual 2 or 3-class seating cabins.  However,
I have seen seating charts of Tu-134, Tu-154, and IL-86 aircraft that
are clearly laid out in a one-class configuration.

--
Michael C. Berch
mcb@postmodern.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: tencati@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov 
Subject: Re: I want to be bumped
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:34:00 GMT

In article <barrett.712247284@cc.gatech.edu>, barrett@cloudgen1.gatech.edu (James Barrett) writes...
>I'm travelling from Atlanta->Phoenix over Labor Day.  My arrival time
>can be flexible.  My question is, I don't mind being bumped so that
>I can get a free ticket for later, so how do I go about increasing
>my odds of being able to volunteer?

Fly during peak-hours. Make a B-line from your arriving airplane to 
the gate and immediately volunteer. If they take volunteers, they use
them FIFO. If you're the last to volunteer, and there is 1 seat left, 
you get your ticket back.

If you're trying to get bumped from the first-leg of the flight, then 
just show up at the gate about an hour early, be the first one in line 
when they open up the gate for checkin, and volunteer then. If they 
don't know if they need volunteers yet, stand next to the podium and 
wait till they do.

That's about the best you can do.

Ron Tencati
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers)
Subject: Re: FF Magagines/Newsletters
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:58:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.221903.5730@athena.mit.edu> ngupta@mtl.mit.edu (Nitin Gupta) writes:
>
>A phone number for Frequent Flyer's subscription service would be great.

1-800-323-3537, ext. 106
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Still the best deal going (IMHO)
Date: 28 Jul 92 06:11:00 GMT
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton

scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) wrote: 
->Why does TWA get bashed here?  Is it because they are in Chapter 11?  I
->can't see why else because I have had NO problems with them at all!

they get bashed because their attitude toward customer service sucks
and their on-time numbers suck and ... 

i don't fly them anymore ... i cashed in all my miles (unfortunately,
i have 19 700 miles left in my account, so i have to fly them once
more so i can pinch that last free ticket).

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
Xref: sparky rec.travel.air:3394 misc.forsale:21723 misc.wanted:7242 ca.wanted:966 nj.wanted:587 nj.forsale:1473
From: woonc@ocf.berkeley.edu (Woon Chung Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,misc.forsale,misc.wanted,ca.wanted,ucb.wanted,nj.wanted,nj.forsale
Subject: Air ticket: SFO->Ithaca wanted OR Ithaca->SFO for sale
Date: 22 Jul 1992 23:01:24 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu

Looking for a one-way ticket from San Francisco or Oakland to
Ithaca, NY around August 21.

				OR

If I can't buy a cheap one, I'll use my Amex Continental student
voucher to buy a round-trip SFO<->Ithaca and sell the return half.
Return date can be from August 23 to 31.

It's possible for me to check in for you in Ithaca, if necessary. 
So I.D. should not be a problem.

Asking for $100 or best offer. Please reply by email.

-------
William Chan
woonc@ocf.berkeley.edu
From: scottt@sneezy.TEKTRONIX.COM (Scott Toda;685-2570;60-444;;orca)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Need info of airlines case settlement
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:52:24 GMT
Reply-To: scottt@sneezy.WV.TEK.COM (Scott Toda;685-2570;60-444;;orca)
Organization: WV




I would also like to get the info on the airlines case settlement



Thanks!


Scott
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Subject: Still the best deal going (IMHO)
Organization: American Software Development Corp., W. Babylon, NY
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:25:50 GMT

Why does TWA get bashed here?  Is it because they are in Chapter 11?  I
can't see why else because I have had NO problems with them at all!
After my recent trip, I should be under 1000 short of a free domestic on
my frequent flyer account.  An account I started in April because I got
fed up with US Dispair!  Also because TWA flys to the Middle East and I
may go there this winter!

Anyway, if you need to travel between JFK and DCA, TWA has the best deal
running.  Anytime fare of $59 for the first flight out of either airport
in the morning.  Perfect for those who would be using the shuttles
anyway and need to save some $$$ (shuttles are $120 each way).   Also,
New York traffic is such that JFK is easier to deal with at that hour of
the morning.  LGA is a nightmare at almost any time!

Last night (7/26), I called TWA and made reservations for the 7:50a
flight DCA->JFK for this morning (7/27).  I paid for the ticket when I
got to DCA and boarded a DC-9-80 (usually these flights are the DC-9-80s
or 727s) that was half full (I have seen this flight three-quarters
full).  As usual, it was a quiet, quick and on time flight on both
ends.  

This fare is only for the first flight in the morning in either
direction.  Otherwise, they wanted to charge $79 for any other DCA->JFK
flight.  At $79, it is still a better walkup deal than the shuttles!
-- 
scott barman			| <This space intentionally left blank>
scott@asd.com			|
 (I can barely speak for myself, you expect me to speak for my employer??)
From: dkw00@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (David K. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: South West Phone number
Date: 29 Jul 92 08:43:48 GMT
Reply-To: dkw00@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (David K. Wong)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

>So could someone tell me Southwest 800 number and I'll call them myself ?

==> Southwest Airline :   1-800-I-FLY-SWA
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: WANTED: Courier assignments
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:37:43 GMT
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton

susan_soric@upubs.uchicago.edu (Susan Soric) wrote: 
->I'm interested in serving as a courier
-> (for free or extremely nominal airfare) for
->reputable private individuals or companies
->to any European destination on weekends...

if you plan on going it alone you should count on inspecting the
package you are supposed to carry and carry it PERSONALLY from the
time you inspect it to the time it is checked in as baggage ... it
would really be a bummer if someone gave you a suitcase with a bale of
dope in it to take to europe with you one weekend ...

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: barrett@cloudgen1.gatech.edu (James Barrett)
Subject: I want to be bumped
Organization: Georgia Tech College of Computing
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:28:04 GMT

I'm travelling from Atlanta->Phoenix over Labor Day.  My arrival time
can be flexible.  My question is, I don't mind being bumped so that
I can get a free ticket for later, so how do I go about increasing
my odds of being able to volunteer?

Thanks.
---------------------OS/2 v2.0 -- It's heeeeerrrreee!!!!!-----------------------
James C. Barrett (barrett@cc.gatech.edu)| "I'm speechless...               
Georgia Tech College of Computing       |      I am without speech." - George
From: parimal@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Parimal)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Oneway ticket from Newark, NJ to Austin/Houston, TX
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:40:00 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

I have two oneway  airtickets for sale from Newark, NJ to Austin, TX.

Tickets are on Continental Airlines for 25th of August, changeable at

$25. If you don't have luggage to check-in, these could be used for one

way travel to Houston also. Asking $75 each. If bought together $135.

Call (512) 476-7134. E-mail : parimal@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu 

			      parimal@alpha.iat.utexas.edu
From: gantony@metz.une.edu.au (George Antony)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Results: Poll of Best International Air Carrier
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:01:34 GMT
Reply-To: gantony@metz.une.edu.au
Originator: gantony@metz.une.edu.au

From article <tu9fmd6@Unify.Com>, by perry@Unify.Com (Perry Clarke):
> pacific@polari.online.com wrote:
>>     The results of the poll concerning the best international air
>>carrier are in and here are the findings:
>>
>>                        Singapore Airlines       3

>  My wife cannot understand why everyone goes on about how great they 
> [Singapore Airlines] are as both of our flights
> were characterized by surly, incompetent service.

In my experience there is a huge difference between business and economy on
Singapore Airlines, much greater than on, e.g., QANTAS.

On Singapore Airlines the classes are almost fitting the Marxist definition.
There is a Snob Class with the stewardesses slavishly learning the names of
each passenger (that apparently appeals to some people), and Cattle Class
that is packed to the brim (forget legroom) and treated as such by 
stewardesses irate that they have to work there instead of Snob Class (or 
Seventh Heaven Class - now, that would be something!).  

And, by golly, if the angelic Singapore Girl is not in the mood she gives 
you a treatment that makes you dream about being looked after by the  
disorganized, overworked and underpaid Aeroflot staff.

I would bet my hat that the positive respondents of the survey flew Snob.

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George Antony    (gantony@metz.une.oz.au)
Department of Agricultural Economics and Business Management
University of New England, Armidale, N.S.W. 2351, Australia
Fax: (+61-67) 711531     Phone: (+61-67) 733222 (GMT +10 hrs)
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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: LHAAS@kentvm.kent.edu (Leslie M. Haas)
Subject: Bumping
Organization: Kent State Univ.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:30:33 GMT

Being first in line to volunteer to be bumped, does not guarantee
that you will be.  I was first to volunteer recently on a flight to
San Francisco.  They bumped 6 people, but I was not included on that
list.  I have no idea how they choose, but Northwest did receive a call
and a letter of complaint from me.
Leslie
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: carols@world.std.com (Carol Springs)
Subject: Re: Cryin' baby express ... what to do?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:46:02 GMT

In article <9207181243.AA05481@iecc.cambridge.ma.us> 
johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine) writes:

>Babies and children do not cry on airplanes because they hate you, or
>because they want to drive you crazy.  By and large they do it because
>they're scared to be in a noisy, bumpy, drafty, and unfamiliar place. 

Or because their ears are stopped up, and they haven't any idea how to
clear them and stop the pain.  And the pain can be severe.  I've seen it 
recommended that the parents yawn repeatedly within the baby's line of 
sight, so that the baby will yawn also.  Although this method isn't
universally effective, it's worth trying.

(I have been amused/amazed by the articles in this thread that deny the
parents' "need" to take the infant by airplane to a particular place, or
that question their wisdom in doing so.  I suspect most parents think
long and hard about what they're doing before taking a baby on a plane
trip -- not that that's much consolation to those who have minimal
tolerance for baby noise.)


-- 
Carol Springs                      carols@world.std.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: cgk@mbunix.mitre.org (Chriss Koch)
Subject: Re: Delta Vouchers-St Thomas-San Juan- Canada-Alaska-USA
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:35:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.143411.26307@qualcomm.com>, Qualcomm.Com. (DROBINSON @QUALCOMM.COM) writes:
> 
> St. Thomas is sure nice this time of the year and a trip there would 
> cost approx. $2,000.00 for two.

My wife and I just went to St. Thomas a couple of weeks ago, and our
airfare was only about $1,300.00 for two.
From: rgl@crosfield.co.uk (bob lawless)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Results: Poll of Best International Air Carrier
Summary: one more for Sinagpore Airlines
Date: 31 Jul 92 08:55:48 GMT
Organization: Crosfield Electronics, Hemel Hempstead, United Kingdom.


My mother arrived from Australia yesterday morning (30 July) via Singapore. She flew Singapore Airlines. 

Having just given her the shock of her life (she wasn't expecting me to be there :-) ), we all went for coffee and a chat.

Having mentioned that she had had a nasty headache on the flight, (cattle class) she recounted how marvelous the stewardess that kept her tanked up with Panadol was and how good the stewards and stewardesses were (in both manners at all times and dress).

She said that the stewardess even asked her how she was feeling as she left the aircraft (which amazed my mum since the stewardess had many other passengers to look after etc).

Sooooo, I'd say that cattle class or snob class, Singapore Airlines scores high.

(My mum also flew BA going over to Aus 7ish years ago and she still finds the memory painful!! Which is a shame, since I fly BA for most of my Eurpean travel and have always found them most helpful - combined with plenty of smiles etc).

Regards, (I'm off on a weeks hols tonight :-)  )

Bob


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From: davelett@athena.mit.edu (Richard Sun)
Subject: Re: Taxy fares from JFK to Manhattan
Keywords: taxy, bus, rail, tube
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 11:22:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.221732.16959@EE.Surrey.Ac.UK> @ee.surrey.ac.uk (null) writes:
>
> Hi there,
>
> My lady girlfriend and I will fly to New York (JFK) next October.
> We would like to know the available means of transport to Manhattan 
> from JFK Airport and respective costs.
>
> 		thanx a lot for any useful help,
>
>
>
>				Ndedi & Paolo

There is a public bus run by the NYC Transit Authority to the subway, but
don't take it.  The subway ride will be longer than your flight, at least
until they build a new transit line with the $3 added tax approved yesterday.

The best alternatives are (1) taking a private bus to Manhattan or (2) taking
a cab to Manhattan.  I'm not sure what the bus costs, but the cost would be
a flat fee, whereas the cab ride will depend on traffic delays, which are
very much possible.  The yellow cabs are the licensed cabs.  Taxi or bus will
run close to or above $20.  When you get to the airport, make sure
you stop at an information desk and pick up a mini-guide telling you how much
each type of transportation costs, because foreigners have been known to have
been ripped-off, particularly Japanese businesspeople.  These brochures tell
you all your rights as well. 

Once you are in the city, the subway and taxi are the most convenient forms
of transportation.  The subway costs $1.25 nowadays, but you can go anywhere
you want in the system.  Ask for a free subway map.  Your hotel may have one;
if not, ask any token booth clerk, although you may have to ask several times
since they always run out.  New York has one of the highest cabs per person
ratios, but this form of transportation is more expensive.

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Subject: Re: Bumping
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:23:24 GMT

On Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:30:33 GMT, LHAAS@kentvm.kent.edu (Leslie M. Haas) said:
> Being first in line to volunteer to be bumped, does not guarantee
> that you will be.  I was first to volunteer recently on a flight to
> San Francisco.  They bumped 6 people, but I was not included on that
> list.  I have no idea how they choose, but Northwest did receive a call
> and a letter of complaint from me.

Just out of curiosity, how did you know that you were the first on the
"bump" list?

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