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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: The BEST point guards...
Date: 27 Jan 1993 16:37:17 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <1993Jan27.093012.6843@desire.wright.edu> cse0080@desire.wright.edu (John C. Hansen) writes:
>Name some point guards who are ranked nationally in the top five in 
>both steals and assists and give their scoring average.
>
   Well, I don't know how he's ranked nationally, but UW-Milwaukee's Marc
   Mitchell is averaging about three steals, 8+ assists and 17+ points per
   game. He thoroughly outplayed Wisconsin's Tracy Webster earlier this year,
   a real good one himself. I'd take my chances with Mitchell at the point
   against just about anyone else in the country.

   --salty
From: marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski)
Subject: The art of getting fouled. Re: tOSU 69 - IU 96
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:21:44 GMT

In article <DOEL.93Jan25103155@bbq.bae.bellcore.com> doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel) writes:
>
...
>usually the case when I watch OSU play at Indiana, I was convinced by half
>time that the IU Athletic Boosters had made their annual contribution to the
>referees.  Damn it's frustrating to watch call after call go in IU's favor.
>They're probably the right calls most of the time, but through my admitedly
>biased view it's tough to take.

Despite apparent traffic to the contrary, this thread needs some
resurfacing.  Indiana does not get calls in its favor because the IU Alumni
bribe officials.  Officials call fouls as they see them.  

Given that phenomenology, it is important for players to learn the art of
getting fouled.  And for coaches.  One would think this is elementary
basketball theory and practice, like aavoiding 5-second calls.

Indiana and other teams as good as Indiana master the art of drawing fouls.
They are also very, very good at making it look like they are being fouled.

These two skills win championships.  In the years of good FT percentages,
that is...

				-- Marek
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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Marques Johnson on UCLA
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:57:48 GMT

Last night at halftime of the UCLA/Stanford game Bill Walton did a mini
interview with Marques Johnson who is now the Bruin radio play by play
man. A few selected comments from that interview follow.

Marques says that from observing practices, he feels the team is well 
coached and focussed and in his opinion the only reason Harrick is under
fire is the recruiting year, or lack thereof (I think the way they lost
to Indiana in the NCAAs is also a big factor). Marques made a point which
has been made here before about Harrick being in a no win situation. The
administration will not extend his contract until they see tangible results
in the recruiting war this year, and potential recruits are hesitant to
commit to UCLA because they are not sure who will be the coach. Marques 
said that essentially, Harricks fate is in the hands of Charles O Bannon,
and if he loses him he is gone.

This is strikingly similar to what got Harrick hired in the first place.
Hazzard was on thin ice coaching wise and recruiting wise and Don MacLean
had made it known that he would not go to UCLA if Walt was the coach
(Darrick Martin had signed with Hazzard earlier that year), so they got
rid of Hazzard, eventually settled for Harrick who then signed MacLean
and re-recruited Martin.

Marques says the most common names mentioned as replacements are Larry
Brown(no please not again), Brad Holland(ex- harrick assistant in his
first year as Fullerton St. head coach), and Eddie Fogler of Vanderbilt
(who I myself suggested a few months back when the rumors of Harricks
demise started). I would really love to see Fogler get the job, Vandy
is so well coached and I would love to see the Bruins executing on 
both ends of the court that way.   

What is Foglers contract status like, and would he consider, or is he
waiting to replace Dean Smith at UNC?




Russ Smith
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From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Wake over Tech
Keywords: ugh!
Date: 22 Jan 93 04:19:18 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Well, congrats to Wake on their walk all over Tech 81-58.  The game wasn't 
even THAT close!  At least this makes UNC's win over Tech look just a tad 
less impressive, winning at home by 15 vs Wake winning by 23 on the road.
Tech really ought to change the uniforms to pink floral patterns with 
skirts, since that's how they played tonight!
-- 
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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: The art of getting fouled. Re: tOSU 69 - IU 96
Organization: Blue Riddle Productions
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:08:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.182144.19539@news.acns.nwu.edu> marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski) writes:
>
>Despite apparent traffic to the contrary, this thread needs some
>resurfacing.  Indiana does not get calls in its favor because the IU Alumni
>bribe officials.  Officials call fouls as they see them.  

...and in the Big Ten, they don't see too many.  In fact, most refs can't
see.  The conference purposely hires near-sighted officials from a regional
union to save money in tax loopholes.  Of course, all that money goes back
into optometrists, but they enjoy getting money back from Uncle Scam anyway.

>Given that phenomenology, it is important for players to learn the art of
>getting fouled.  And for coaches.  One would think this is elementary
>basketball theory and practice, like aavoiding 5-second calls.
>
>Indiana and other teams as good as Indiana master the art of drawing fouls.
>They are also very, very good at making it look like they are being fouled.

Other teams AS GOOD AS INDIANA?  Perish the thought, Marek... =^)

This is true, though.  Most of you will recall last year's semifinal matchup
between Duke and Indiana, where several calls at the beginning of the second
half were charges, two taken by Chris Reynolds, the other 400 taken by the
Blue Devils.  Duke is especially good at drawing charges and gives out an
award to the player who takes the most in a season.

>
>				-- Marek


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From: srt@aero.org (Scott Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Cal whips UCLA's Butt
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:11:36 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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Keywords: 104-82 !

gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>...That said, I didn't think he was the second coming.  He still has
>a way to go but for a freshman he plays a very mature game. I still
>think Stoudamire is better this season though and unless things
>change drastically I'd have to give Damon the nod for 1 team all-pac
>point guard.

Damon is more of a Isaiah Thomas-type point guard and Kidd more of a
Magic Johnson-type point guard.  To a certain extent it is comparing
apples and oranges.  Kidd has the advantage that he can post-up and
get a lot of rebounds if someone the size of Edney tries to guard him.
And if you put someone like Tarver on him, he beats him with the
dribble.  But if Arizona continues to do well, I agree that qDamon
will probably get the nod for first-team Pac-10.

					-- Scott T.
From: metzler@pablo.physics.lsa.umich.edu (Chris Metzler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Can IU go unbeaten?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 18:56:03 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Department of Physics
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In article <C1H33u.IJy@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets) writes:
|> 
|> I'd bet on Kansas over Michigan most days of the week, but KU-IU will always
|> be a close call, IMO.
|> 
|> 
|> RStimets
|> 

Jesus!  You're from IU and you'd say that!?!?!?!

Did you bother to watch your team play UM in Ann Arbor?  Did you see the
game both teams played?  Did you even see the UM-Kansas game?  And (most
importantly) did you see the KU - Long Beach State game (you posted
after the game!).

Nothing personal, but IMHO, I think you've lost your mind.

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From: wlmg3055@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William L. Myers)
Subject: Re: The (updated) Saga of Bobby Knight
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 00:46:36 GMT

foerster@batgirl.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster) writes:

>In article <exby.726859992@spot.Colorado.EDU>, exby@spot.Colorado.EDU (Doc Exby) writes:
>|> lewism@jmb2.jmb.com (Mike Lewis) writes:

>other stuff deleted

>|> 
>|> a "coach in control"  and a "coach OWNING" the joint, and trying
>|> to be bigger than the Big10 is a damn big difference there hondo.
>|> knight obv thinks he's larger than life, why else would he 
>|> be challenging lou henson in locker room hallways, avoiding
>|> press conferences and dinners, etc...

>After listening to Bobby last night, you would have never known that there
>was ever a problem between Illinois, Lou-Do and Bobby. Bobby had nothing
>but praise for Illinois and Lou. Bobby talked extensively about Deon Thomas
>and said that Deon is one of the best post players in the country and that 
>Illinois defensively is one of the best which is an indirect comment on
>the coaching.

>Marraige has mellowed Bobby.
It's true, Knight was in a better mood Saturday at Champaign than
the previous 2 years.  He liked the moment of silence for Hank Iba

before the game.  And he likes winning. 
Henson and Bob got along fine during Lou's early years in the league.
Lou says the first 12 times they went head-to-head for recruits, there
was no animosity.  (Bob landed all 12).  Lou got #13 (Lowell Hamilton)
and Bob cried foul, turning Henson in.  The Big Ten office investigated
Knight's complaints and found them groundless.  But their relationship
has been strained at times since.  
has been strained at times since then.  

Bob's comments regarding Thomas were very complimentary.  But then he
lauched into a 4-5 minute saga about last year.  He made similiar
compliments then, but an Illinois writer disagreed with his assessment
of Deon's development.  Someone clipped the article, sent it to BK, 
and he waited 11 months to sarcastically refute what the writer had
said.  He noted that IL's SI office nominated Thomas for B10 1st team
last year.  (But failed to mention that Thomas didn't receive it).  
A tablespoon of bran on breakfast cereal could prevent such 
unpleasantness...   

Bob also complimented Lou (or IL?) for strengthening the team by adding 
outside shooting the past few years.  That was nice too.  But I 
liked the team better before they were 'strenghtened', when they
beat the Hoosiers 5 straight times! 

Considering his nature, Bob was well behaved, and complimentary.
But Illinois fans don't believe a word of it! (:) 
.   But >[rest deleted.]

>|> 
>|> ::j
>|> 

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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: Thrillerdome now Whimperdome?
Organization: Florida State University Department of Know-it-alls
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 18:17:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.160456.9980@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com> costley@solo.eng.hou.compaq.com (Brett Costley) writes:
>What has happened to Tech?  Two big losses in a row at home now.  I guess
>Tech must have been using ringers against Duke. :)
>
>On another note.  As I was watching the game last night at a sports bar
>I heard a guy a couple of tables away say that the ACC was trying to 
>get Kentucky to leave the SEC and join the ACC.  I don't know what his
     ^^^^^^^^

Where in the HELL does Kentucky border with any major body of water (coast)?

>source was but I hadn't heard anything of the sort before.  Anyone else
>heard this before?  I'm not very inclined to put much stock in it.


Kevin :)
From: guest@ulysses.atmos.colostate.edu (Guest)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: CONFERENCES (Specifically, The Big 8)
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:49:22 GMT
Organization: Atmos. Science, Colorado State Univ.

Kansas, K-State, and Nebraska..??!?@?#?%$?% as the conference qualifiers for 
the Big Dance..??!?@?#?$%

Kansas I believe in. K-State, even though they are 3-1, have wins against
Colorado, Nebraska and Okkie-State. They have only played 1 (ONE) game against
anyone of quality in the Big 8 and lost. We'll see how they do against Oklahoma
Missouri, Iowa State, and Kansas. Nebraska has been the underachiever of the 
Big 8, losing at home to K-State and being destroyed by Kansas and Oklahoma. 
Again, they have a lot of improving before I believe in the Cornhuskers.

Just my $.02 worth. Of course, my opinion may be slightly wacky do to the
fact that I'm a Cyclone fan ;-)

John Knowles                        Predicted Big 8 Finish (IMHO)
knowles@tachu.atmos.colostate.edu   1. Kansas
                                    2. Oklahoma
                                    3t. Iowa State
                                    3t. Missouri
                                    5. Nebraska
                                    6t. K-State
                                    6t. Okie-State
From: wagner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Kansas #1
Date: 24 Jan 93 21:09:26 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services












			Go Jayhawks!!!!!
From: jfc3348@u.cc.utah.edu (John F. Conroy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: BEST NCAA COACH! Who? Let's hear it!
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:31:30 GMT
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine

In article <1993Jan25.230028.24682@fcom.cc.utah.edu> hymie@fff.chem.utah.edu (James Kleimeyer) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.075626.11862@sarah.albany.edu>  
>tb1153@thor.albany.edu (BEIDEL TIMOTHY) writes:
>> Bruce Parkhill of Penn State does more with less than anyone else in
>> the country.  With a new arena and the Big 10/11 affiliation, he'll
>> really surprise some people in the years ahead.
>
>
>I'd say that Rick Majerus here at Utah does more with less than anyone.   
>Two years ago, 28-3 and the sweet 16.  Last year we'd have won the  
>NIT(Yeah, I know: big deal) had we not been jobbed in the semifinal vs.  
>Notre Dame.  This year, 14-2 and national ranking with misfits and J.C.  
>transfers.

	His misfits are pretty talented this year. Josh Grant is a second
rounder, Jimmy Soto was all NIT last year, and Byron Wilson and Phil Dixon
have a shot at first team all-WAC. The most impressive things about
Majerus are 

	-His teams play excellent team defense. This is the sort of thing
that comes from the coach, not the players.

	-The way his players develop under him. In the early season of the 
past three years,
Utah has had three very goofy starting centers- Walter Watts, Paul Afeaki,
and Larry Cain. The first two improved enough to get looks at NBA camps,
and Larry gets better every game, which is amazing considering the grace
(or lack thereof) that he displays on the court. Imaging what Majerus
could do with a more talented recruit . . .
 

  The most important thing, however, is that Majerus goes out of  
>his way to see that everyone graduates. 

 A classy coach, all around.



John Conroy. 

 He believes that basketball  
>always comes second to education. Colleges are supposed to be institutes  
>of learning rather than basketball factories, and Majerus' views on  
>education make him a great collegiate coach.  Thank you for enduring my  
>incessant rambling.
>-- 
>James Kleimeyer
>FFF Research Center, Dept. of Chemistry
>University of Utah    SLC, UT 84112
>(801) 581-7168   hymie@fff.chem.utah.edu  (NeXT Mail)
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From: raymond@harp.ecn.purdue.edu (Ray Kamin)
Subject: Need help with team losses
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:31:56 GMT

I am trying to compile a list of who beat the
following teams.  Please fill in any blank
you can and email me.  I will post the 
completed table.

Team              Record     Lost to:
------------------------------------------
North Carolina    (16-1)     Michigan
Kentucky          (13-1)     Vanderbuilt
Cincinnati        (13-1)
Nevada-Las Vegas  (11-1)
Pittsburgh        (13-2)
Utah              (14-2)
Kansas            (16-2)     Long Beach State,
Indiana           (17-2)     Kentucky, Kansas
Arizona           (11-2)
Michigan          (15-2)     Indiana, Duke
Virginia          (12-2)     Georgia Tech, UNC
Duke              (13-3)     Virginia, Georgia Tech, FSU
Iowa              (12-3)     OSU, Indiana, Duke 
Vanderbilt        (14-3)     Florida
Arkansas          (12-3)
Seton Hall        (15-3)     UNC
Purdue            (11-3)     Indiana, Minnesota, Michigan
Kansas State      (11-3)
Long Beach State  (14-3)
Georgetown        (11-3)     UNLV
Connecticut       ( 9-4)
Missouri          (12-4)
Georgia Tech      (10-4)     Charleston, Wake Forest, UNC,
Florida State     (13-5)
Oklahoma          (12-5)     Iowa State,
UCLA              (12-5)     California,
Iowa State        (11-5)     Iowa, Michigan, Florida State,

Thanx,

RK
From: gil.levitch@tfd.coplex.com (Gil Levitch) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: #1 Student Section ?
Date: 20 Jan 93 18:08:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ky/In PC User's Group - Louisville, KY - 502-423-8654
Reply-To: gil.levitch@tfd.coplex.com (Gil Levitch) 


Orin Day writes:
OD>Chris Street of Iowa on the Duke crowd:  "This is definitely the best
OD>crowd I've ever faced.  I think the crowd helped them.  The atmosphere
OD>was like an NCAA game."

This is somewhat telepathic. I was watching ESPN last night when the
story broke about Chris Street's death. Everytime something like this
type of death occurs it makes me wonder why G-D put us on this earth.
How senseless and what a loss for a young man in his prime to never have
the chance to see what life can offer. Don't mean to get melodramatic,
but your reference to Chris, in answer to my post, kind of got to me.

OD>I agree that HS gyms can be really noisy - lower ceilings and
OD>a higher percentage of fans 100% into the game.  But I disagree
OD>with your statement that the crowd doesn't fire up the players,
OD>and that anybody could be so focused as to hear none of the noise.

I expected you (and others) to disagree with me. The only voice that my
son ever heard, while playing, was mine, and one time I must have been
too vocal because as he was dribbling by me he yelled: "Why don't you
shut up". Naturally I turned to my neighbor and said, "Why is MY son
yelling at YOU?"

 gil.levitch@tfd.coplex.com
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From: marty@Shiva.COM (Marty Del Vecchio)
Subject: Re: Wahoos
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.college
Organization: Shiva Corporation, Cambridge, Ma, USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 15:35:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.130027.27998@dg-rtp.dg.com> UNC writes:
>Ok... can we finally stop all this talk about where UVa should be in
>the polls, PLEASE? At last they finally ran against a true top 10
>team and were handily defeated. Yes, I know they played dook,
>but what's that really saying? They lost to the 3rd and 4th place 
>teams in the conference (ok, not now, but let's face it, when all
>is said and done, that's where GT and UVa will be) and otherwise 
>have not played anyone.
>
>Number one in the nation??? I can't believe this was even
>considered, let alone actually suggested on the net. The first 
>real team they played, they were crushed (30 points and pulling
>away when the scrubs were put in). Maybe 15 or 16... but top
>10, let's get real.
>

Hey, hey, where does this animosity come from?  I don't think anybody said that
UVa was the best team in the country, just that they deserved to be ranked #1.
When you go undefeated and soundly defeat the #2 team on the road, that is a
reasonable expectation.  There are very few schools which would have been
ranked #8 after such a start.


-- 
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Software Engineer
Shiva Corporation
From: rajain@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: UMASS!!! over Temple ..... A Thriller !!!
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:51:53 GMT


Boy! What a game!!!! UMASS!!! was down at the half by 7 with score
being 29-22, w/ lead expanding to 9 a minute into half.......

Then, inspired by the return of Harper Williams (who was out of action
for last 6 weeks due to injured right hand), the minuteman made a 
15-3 run to grab a 9 point lead of themselves at 45-36 with 5 minutes
to go...and then gave it allllll away. With 1:08 minutes to go, with
UMASS!!! down by 2 (score at 50-48 Temple), Harper made two free throws
to tie the game at 50-50....

Temple had a last chance to regain the lead...but were forced into a
45-sec violation!!! The minutemen got the last chance with 26 secs
on the clock and Tony Barbee took a shot with 5 secs left...But he
MISSED !!! However he followed up his shot and redumped the ball
in da basket with game clock showing 0.01 secs !!!

It was a good game......UMASS!!! went down, then came back, then
again gave away the lead, and finally were able to barely win it!!!


The final score : UMASS!!! 	52
		  Temple   	50


Hope Harper's return sparks a run for the Minutemen.....which they need
desperately...

	Ciao,

	Rajat...


	Goooooooooooooo  Minutemen !!!!
From: rajain@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: UMASS beats DePaul (for Wisc.....)
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:05:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.175027.9583@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
> In article <1jv1oaINNa1m@nic.umass.edu> JKC@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (JON KEVIN CROCKER) writes:
>>In <1juuktINNluv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes:
>>
>>> Arizona St came in with their star player injured (DNP), and they played with
>>> UofL for about 10 minutes then gave up.  Rozier was a force in this game, the Arizona St players could not rebound
>>> with him (20pts/10+rebs).
>>> 
>>> Louisville pushes its record to 9-5 (4-0), winning 7 of their last 8 games.
>>> The next game is at Virginia Tech on Thursday (Metro conference game).
> 
> Gee, I see nothing about the UMASS!!! game.  I guess they don't teach the
> UMASS!!! VAX USERS how to use their news posting programs.  I guess I
> should expect this from a campus that doesn't recognize small letters.

	Sure, and of course *you* are all that we can expect from 
	a Wisconsin cheese-head :-)


> -- 
> 
> Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu


	rAjAt.