HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wayne@backbone.uucp (Wayne Schlitt)
Subject: Re: AMD rubbish????
Organization: The Backbone Cabal
	<BzMHBq.JxB@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 01:18:41 GMT

In article <BzMHBq.JxB@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
> 
> The reason is that the Cyrix part isn't a true 486. It does use the 
> 486 instruction set (at least some of it) but is really a drop-in 
> part for 386 motherboards.
> 


There was just a fairly long discussion in a few news groups on
whether the Cyrix chip is a "true" 486 or not and I have come to the
following conclusions:


1)  The Cyrix chip implements all new instructions and all new cpu
    flags that the intel 486 implements.


2)  This like chip pin-outs, bus widths, cache sizes and
    organizations, number of chips and support of floating point are
    usually considered "implementation details".  What instructions
    (especially user mode instructions) the chip implements is what
    determines the "cpu architecture".  

    The fact that the 386SX has a smaller bus than a 386DX doesn't
    mean it isn't a "real" 386.  The same goes for the pin differences
    between a 486DX and a 487DX.  Likewise, the IBM "blue lightning"
    486DX-99 is said to have a larger cache, this doesn't mean it isn't
    a 486.


3)  NeXTStep is said to not run on a Cyrix chip.  No other software
    has been shown not to work on the Cyrix chip, and no one knows why
    NeXT can't get NeXTStep to run on it.


4)  The Cyrix executes most instructions in 1 cycle, just like intel's
    chips.  Some instructions execute faster, some are slower.
    Overall, the Cyrix parts are slower than the intel versions by
    about 10% at the same Mhz (measured on SPECint).  This is mostly
    due to the smaller cache, but if the Cyrix chip has a
    better/larger external cache it could actually run faster.  


Therefore, the Cyrix chip should probably be considered a "true" 486,
but ya gotta watch the performance off the computer system, not just
the Mhz or the chip&Mhz.


-wayne
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: lindae@netcom.com
Subject: Need Hard Drive Data Recovery -- FAST!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:38:26 GMT



My hard drive crashed last week and I am in desparate need of
data recovery.  Problem is, I'm broke.  Does anyone know of a 
place that will recover the data ****CHEAP*****!  Or, perhaps,
a trade (you recover the data and I *give* you the hard drive!)


Here's the relevant information:

	Toshiba MKM 134
	40 MB
	with RLL
	(approx. 3 years old)

Not being a technical person, I've been relying on others for help on this...
I've been told that this was probably not a head crash but that
it's a mechanical problem (something won't spin, I think)

If that can be fixed, I think the drive will still work okay.  However,
I am not looking to fix this drive.  I am simply looking to get
the data off of it.

Actually, I only need ***some**** data off of the drive.  The rest of
it, I really don't care about.

Thanks in advance for any help!!!!!!  

As I don't get the chance to read this newsgroup too often, please
e-mail any responses to lindae@netcom.com

lindae@netcom.com


Xref: sparky comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:33907 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:16064 comp.os.os2.advocacy:10708 comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy:3345
From: nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Nan Zou)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: RFD: how about comp.sys.ibm.pc.advocacy?
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:30:04 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

I've been away from the net for a couple of months now, got tangled up
with school and finals, and when I came back, I see page after page of
flame wars in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.  And I got to thinking: isn't it
about time to create a comp.sys.ibm.pc.advocacy?  So that all the flames
and debates can go there and leave c.s.i.p.hardware for people who
wish to discuss hardware topics.  People may think an advocacy group
will itself generate more flames, while this may be true, at least it'll
keep the religious flame wars from spilling over to the other groups.

Besides, Amiga, Mac and NeXT already has their advocacy groups. ;-)
OS/2 and Windows advocacy group only discuss a small aspect of the PC, I
think a general advocacy group for discussing the merits (or lack
thereof) of the PC as a system is in order.  What do you people think?

Net.custom calls for a discussion period, then someone who has the time
or energy can start collecting votes, but since most people are on
holiday vacations, we may want to wait until school starts for the
formal voting to take place.

-- Nan
From: mulvey@blurt.oswego.edu (Allen Mulvey, SUNY, Oswego, NY)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: IBM FAX SOFTWARE and FAX MODEMS
Date: 2 Jan 93 04:32:06 GMT
Organization: SUNY College at Oswego, Oswego, NY

In article <1993Jan2.030823.10413@cs.wayne.edu>, mikeg@rocdec.roc.wayne.edu (Michael George) writes:
> Currently I am designing an application which will automatically batch
> fax documents. Does anyone know of FAX software which will allow me to
> work out of batch files and fax documents in WORD PERFECT format?
> 
> Ultimately, I would like to be able to do the following...
> 
> c:\> fax document.wp 1-333-123-4567
> 
> Also, I would like the program to keep a log or set a dos error level if
> the fax was successful or unsuccessful.
> 
> Am I dreaming? I hope not, should be pretty straightforward.
> 
> Can anyone reccommend a good PC faxmodem.
> 
> -Michael George III
> mikeg@rocdec.roc.wayne.edu

My FAX software is pretty basic (Savinfax) but it does all that.  Being 
vintage, it expects the WordPerfect document to be v4.2, oh well...

Most have a tsr that allows unattended transmission and reception of 
messages. I believe all of them maintain a journal of all activity, 
including reported errors.

			Allen Mulvey
			mulvey@blurt.oswego.edu
Xref: sparky comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:34160 misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone:2138
From: jay@info.umd.edu (Jay Elvove)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone
Subject: looking for Sperry IT
Date: 24 Dec 92 21:46:26 GMT
Distribution: dc
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

Anybody in the area know where I might be able to get a hold of a working
Sperry IT (an IBM PC/AT clone) for cheap.

Thanks a lot,
-- 

Jay Elvove       jay@info.umd.edu
c/o Academic Software
Comp. Sci. Center, Univ. of Md., College Park
From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: AMD rubbish????
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:16:42 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.

In <92356.31024.6881300@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>:

>>I work for an OEM clone manufacturer. We have found that unless you are
>>running applications that are CPU intensive such as CAD or very complex
>>number crunching the AMD 386/40 is a better value than the 486DX-33.
>>>                     < sentence edited out >
>>On the otherhand the
>>486DX-50MHz blows away the competition. We sell 486SX systems, but only if
>>the customer insists on them. So far as we are concerned, this is a
>>marketing scheme to rip off the customer.
>>
>jim_johnson@abcd.houghton.mi.us

>Exactly right, Jim.  Sure, the 486SX is does great when compared to say,
>my 286-12, for example.  I'd love to have a 486SX.  No question, it's
>a fine machine.  If you buy one, you'll not be disappointed.

>But, when my money is on the line,  I'm going to either get a 386-40
>or take the next REAL STEP UP, a 486DX2-66 or 486DX-50.  I've still
>not heard a convincing argument for the 486SX.  Any takers?

I'll take a stab at it.  Right now, I don't need > 33 MHz power in my
486 machine and I don't need a co-processor.  The new 486SX/33 (one of which I
recently purchased) gives me performance equal to the DX/33 (since I don't use
the FPU in my apps) and is easily upgradable to a DX2/66.  And by the time I
need the Overdrive, I'll bet it's dirt cheap.  But for now, I see no need to
pay for performance I don't need--especially when that performance will be
much cheaper than now.  I might agree that I'd buy a 386/40 before I'd buy
a 486SX/25, but the 486SX/33 was hard to pass up vis-a-vis the 386/40.
        ~~
How much difference is there in price between a 486SX/33 and a DX2/66?  Perhaps
$500 or $600?  Right now, I don't need the performance and it certainly isn't
worth $500 to me.  In the future, getting DX2/66 power will be as simple as
buying an Overdrive and setting a jumper.  And by the time I need the 66 MHz
power and/or the co-processor, I'll bet the Overdrive is *far* less than $500.
Of course, I don't plan to need it for at least two years--a full generation
as far as personal computers are concerned.  If I thought I'd need it sooner
than that, I'd buy the DX2/66 or DX/50 now, since prices wouldn't fall enough
near term to make the 486SX a wise investment.

All the same, there's nothing wrong with the 386/40.  It's a damn fine chip.
In fact, I plan to upgrade my old computer to a 386/40.  However, for *my*
current needs, the 486SX/33 is clearly the answer based on current performance,
price, ease of upgrading and future cost of upgrading.  Your mileage may vary,
as they say.


Tim Irvin
*****************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: Richard_Robb@mindlink.bc.ca (Richard Robb)
Subject: Gateway's 15 inch monitor included with 66-DX2 system
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 10:03:29 GMT

With all the talk about Gateway's 66 MHz DX2 system that has been on this
net, I am surprised that no one has commented on the quality of the 15 inch
monitor that is bundled with it.

Could somebody please tell me whether the monitor is worth having?  And is
the viewing area truly 15" diagonal?  Thanks in advance.

-- A prospective (but dubious) Gateway customer

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: des@ausom.oz.au (Dale Staines)
Subject: Tape BackUp Software What Is Available
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 06:35:44 GMT
Organization: AUSOM - The Apple Users Society of Melbourne

Hello I an look for tape backup software for SCSI tape backup Units

Can you please tell me whats available.

Pease E-mial and I will post a summory at the end.

Thanks

-- 
Dale Staines
Reply Does Not Work Please E-Mail to The Address Below
E-Mail Internet : des%ausom.oz@sol.cc.deakin.oz.au
Apple II Forever and A One or Two
From: dcole@ua.d.umn.edu (david cole)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: hooking a roland midi and a soundblaster together...
Date: 30 Dec 1992 09:05:36 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
NNTP-Posting-Host: ua.d.umn.edu

In article <lnosek.0m0e@amiganet.chi.il.us> lnosek@amiganet.chi.il.us (Luke Nosek) writes:
>        my friend has both a roland midi and a soundblaster and he'd like to
>combine the output of both devices... trouble is when he uses a simple y
>adapter to do this, as soon as he hooks in the sb, the roland cannot be heard.
>
>        is there simple way of doing this barring gettting two amps or a mixer?
>                                                        Luke Nosek

Hi.  I can't speak for the SB, but it is easy to do this with a PAS+ card,
which I believe is similar.  I have the PAS+ and a Roland LAPC-1 in the same
computer.  All MPC compliant soundcards have an onboard mixer.  I just feed
the Roland output into the line-in jacks on the PAS+ card.  Then you can
adjust the relative levels using the mixer software.  Both play together fine
if you have drivers installed for both (I use the Cakewalk for Windows demo).
For each track of a midi song file, I just select which synth I want to
play it (the Roland or the FM synth on the PAS+).  

CDrom audio, .wav files, etc. are also combined with the 2 synthesizers by
the mixer.  I should point out that the Roland synth sounds so much better
than the Yamaha FM synth on these cards that there is little practical use
for mixing the 2 that I can see (er, hear....)

Dave

Xref: sparky comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:34099 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:16126
From: ck060@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric L. Hinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: IBM PC/AT Questions (Please Help!)
Date: 24 Dec 92 02:54:54 GMT
Reply-To: ck060@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric L. Hinson)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


I am soon going to be purchasing a used IBM PC/AT, and had a
few questions that I hope to have answered before I make the
purchase final.
 
The system I will be getting consists of the following parts:
 
o IBM PC/AT w/640K RAm
o SeaGate 20 Megabyte Hard drive
o 5.25" 1.2 Megabyte high density Disk Drive (1)
o 5.25" 360K Disk Drive (1)
o IBM CGA Monitor (and card)
o IBM AT Keyboard
 
I am currently using a machine very similar to the one that
I am going to hopefully be purchacing.  The differences in
the two machines are as follows:
 
o The monitor on this one is a monochrome monitor
o There is 512K in this computer (there will be 640K in mine).
o It may wind up being a monochrome monitor after all ($275 for
  the whole system, not $300).
 
All other hardware is the same.  I ran Norton's SI.EXE program
on this PC/AT and came up with the following information:
 
         Computer Name: IBM AT
      Operating System: DOS 3.10
   Built-in BIOS dated: Tuesday, January 10, 1984
        Main Processor: Intel 80286              Serial Ports: 1
          Co-Processor: None                   Parallel Ports: 2
 Video Display Adapter: Monochrome (MDA)
    Current Video Mode: Text, 25 x 80 Monochrome
 Available Disk Drives: 3, A: - C:
 
DOS reports 512 K-bytes of memory:
    47 K-bytes used by DOS and resident programs
   465 K-bytes available for application programs
A search for active memory finds:
   512 K-bytes main memory     (at hex 0000-8000)
    32 K-bytes display memory  (at hex B000-B800)
 
  Computing Index (CI), relative to IBM/XT: 5.9
       Disk Index (DI), relative to IBM/XT: 2.5
 
Performance Index (PI), relative to IBM/XT: 4.7
 
What speed does this system run at (in MHz)?  Also, is $300 a
good price for such a system?  (I think so..)
 
Are there any problems with a machine of this type?  Is there
anything I should know or watch out for as far as the hardware
is concerned?  Thanks for your help.
--
Eric L. Hinson   CFN: ck060@cleveland.freenet.edu    HAM: KB4RF
* * * EMail Replies Welcome @ ck060@cleveland.freenet.edu * * *
From: saud@seas.gwu.edu (Temporary account (slc 11/19/92))
Subject: Two PCs can not read the same disk? Is it an alignment?
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:07:47 GMT


Friend of mine has two Old computers one IBM XT and the other one is PC clone.
(Belive it or not he is a lawer)

Now:

	If he inserts any disk in the PC-clone, and he types DIR Then 
		he takes it to IBM XT... That is it. The IBM can not
		read it.

	In short any disk the clone touches. The IBM XT can not use It keep
	reporting:
		Abort,Retry,Fail   message

Some one said this is an alignment problem

Is this true?

If so from where can some one get alignment software?
 
Is there a shareware software?


Thanks 
wanes

P.S. Please respond by mail since I do not red this group.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: y1@wilbur.psu.edu (Zhaohui Yang)
Subject: How to reach GoldStar Inc.
Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 03:56:43 GMT

Hi, netters,

I need your help.  I just bought a used laptop 386sx made from GoldStar and
considering add a internal modem on it.  The problem is neither I nor the
local computer store can reach the GoldStar Inc.  The laptop seems need the
internal modem card particullarly from Goldstar since its special designment.

I cannot reach the seller of this computer also due to the Xmas break.  Would
anyone of you know how to reach this company?  I checked the computer shopper's
index and had no luck.  It seems to be a company in UK.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Yang

-- 
Zhaohui Yang			<>	 P e n n .  S t a t e
Dept. of Eletrical Engineering	<>
Pennsylvania State Univsity	<>	Tel.# : (814)863-7056
University Park, PA 16802	<>	E-mail: y1@wilbur.psu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com (Scott Linn)
Subject: Re: What's the deal? My chip says "SX-25"; Norton says "SX-33"
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 01:40:27 GMT

 (Mike Berger) writes:
: Do you have any reason to believe this is really the case?  It would be
: very costly for Intel to test ALL chips.  Usually they're sampled from
: batches.  If one sample chip fails at the higher speed and passes at the
: lower speed, then the whole batch is designated for the lower speed.  So
: chances are good that some will function at faster clock speeds.

You can't do this.  Chip speed varies across single wafers, let alone across
an entire wafer lot.  They *all* need to be tested, and all at speed.
Otherwise, you stand a good chance of shipping garbage.

The usual route is exactly as Danny had stated: test every part at 33MHz.
If it fails, test it at 25.  If it fails, keep going down until you are
out of speed.

Note that you can put slow tests up front, to get functional testing out
of the way, so that you don't have to repeat many of the tests if you start
falling through the bins.

Scott Linn
scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: brett@gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu (Brett Morrow)
Subject: Everex Motherboard
Originator: usenet@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 21:48:11 GMT
Organization: Gallifrey - Home of the Timelords

I have just purchased a used Everex Motherboard model EV-1863 Rev A.
It is a 386sx-16.  Does anyone know where I can get info on this
board?

The only thing I can get is 3 beeps in a row continuously. Also I would like
to know that the connectory on the front left hand side of the board is 
for.

Any help is greatly appretiated.

  -Brett

-- 

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Internet=>   Brett@gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu      +     Brett Morrow
Bitnet  =>   Brett@uokucsvx                     +Computer Lab Specialist     
            University Of Oklahoma - University Computing Services 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: pti4378@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: no game port on Gateway 2k systems?
Reply-To: pti4378@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 13:38:55 GMT

Call Gateway before assuming one of their systems has a game port.  My
younger brother just purchased the $1695 4sx-33 system and it did not
have one.

Nifty system though.  Video, disk, and I/o all on the motherboard.  Riser
card for horizontal mounting of cards.  Nice small footprint case.

No jumper hassles when changing COM IRQs or addresses or even the 
mapping between COM ports and the physical ports on the back of the 
machine.  It is all handled in the Setup menu.  Nice.

Of course, the com ports were not set correctly when we recived the 
machine, the Telepath modem wouldn't work with their phone/electrical 
system ( I brought a separate working Gateway system to test and it
wouldn't work their either), and one of the Windows diusks was 
unreadable (of course it was the one with the printer driver I needed).

Tech support was real helpful, but since the problems were discovered
at separate times, we spent ~90minutes total on the phone, mostly on hold.

Nifty story though:  They were closed for the holiday weekend so tech
support wasn't open when I called about the modem.  I narrowed it down
to the house wiring and removed the modem since I was going home and
no one else there was too technically competent.  When they called tech
support, they had a little trouble actually conveying what the problem 
was.  The techie offered to call me in Rochester just to get things 
cleared up.  He did.  I explained the problem.  He gave a return
authorization with no hassles.  I was impressed because the guy went
out of his way to make one last attempt at fixing the problem.

Gateway has a few problems, but in my experience they do there best
to fix them.

- Patrick
From: matthias@nsr.hp.com (Matthias Kamm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Will Windows crawl on my system?
Date: 29 Dec 1992 01:21:02 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard Santa Clara Site
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpmvd069.nsr.hp.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.2 PL7]

I know AMD released a 20Mhz version of the 286, but a 25Mhz!?
Is that a new release?

For a while I ran windows on my 286-12 just fine. Switching
back and forth between DOS and windows was a killer, though...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: cs902021@ariel.yorku.ca (BOYCOTT A DEAZLE)
Subject: *** DIP Switches
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 12:11:27 GMT

I have just got this nice multi-IO card second-hand.  The problem is I
don't know what the DIP switches are.  I can't get the printer port to
work or the clock chip.  Can someone help me PLEASE!.It is a dtk P11-17
made in 1986.  Thanx.

cs902021@juno.ariel.yorku.ca (Jonah Beckford).
From: price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Speedstar 24X Driver Problems
Date: 22 Dec 1992 18:58:08 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.unl.edu

rlee@bgsu.edu (Bob Lee) writes:

>Has anyone heard the rumors or experienced the SVGA drivers for the
>Diamond Speedstar 24X? Specifically the OS/2 drivers. 

>I heard that they are pretty buggy and cause many system lock-ups. I also
>hear that Diamond has been very flighty with repairing these problems.

>Any comments? 

There aren't any OS/2 drivers. You can use the DOS drivers in DOS sessions and
that works fine, but be careful of swapping sessions in and out - you monitor
can loose synch.  This is not a bug in the drivers, but a lack of current
supprort in OS/2: when it switches to another DOS session, it does not
recognise the video mode, and it tells the incoming session (incorrectly ) what
video mode it is in.

The windoze drivers work fine in a Win OS/2 session also, but you (again) must
either exit windoze or switch to a standard VGA resolution session before using
Ctrl-Esc to swap tasks.


--
chad
price@helios.unl.edu
cprice@molecular.unmc.edu
From: andres@scf16.scf.loral.com (Jeff Andres)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Parallel Port; Tape Drives ???
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:43:06 GMT
Organization: Loral Space & Range Systems

What organizations/companies make them ??? and how reliable are they ???
What is their expected throughput ???

I've heard of one from H45 Technology, which is either out or soon
to be announced that does 8 meg/minute. 


-- 

         _/  _/_/_/_/   _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/     Jeff Andres
        _/  _/         _/      _/        ---  Loral Space and Range Systems
       _/  _/_/_/     _/_/    _/_/       ---  1260 Crossman Ave.  MS-S37
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: Feature Connector??
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Reply-To: nwickham@nyx.UUCP (Neal Wickham)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 23:09:21 GMT

I have an Advanced Logic Research (ALR) Power Flex Modle 40 286 that
says that it has a 386/486 feature connector.  Can someone tell me what
that means.  

Does anyone know what ALR's address or phone number is?

Thanks,


                                       NCW

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware