Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Moslems@
From: shariq@charlie.usd.edu
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:24:11 GMT
Reply-To: shariq@charlie.usd.edu
Organization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept.

In article <BzzFLM.G7E@uceng.uc.edu>, mghayalo@uceng.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod) writes:
>In article <1992Dec25.071904.36066@slate.mines.colorado.edu> imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec25.045548.24739@fuug.fi> an3923@anon.penet.fi writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>I am from Turkey and I noticed that there is something very funny
>>>about all the world conflicts. ( I am not a practicing moslem)
>>>
>>
>>>Israel-Palestinian issue ( Moslems Vs Jews)
>>>Cyprus Problem           ( Moslems Vs Catholics)
>>>German Ethnic trouble    ( Moslems ( Turks) Vs Germans)
>>>Bosnian issue            ( Moslems Vs Christians)
>>>Iraq - Kuwait strife     ( Moslems Vs Moslems)
>>>Iran - Iraq              ( ditto)
>>>Iraq Vs Kurds            ( ditto)
>>>Indian temple issue      ( Moslems Vs Hindus)
>>>Burmese ethnic problems  ( Moslems Vs Buddhists)
>>>Malaysian ethnic trouble ( Moslems Vs Chinese)
>>>Somalian problem         ( Moslems vs Moslems)
>>>Armenia                  ( Moslems Vs christians)
>>>
>>
>>If you please ponder carefully ,you will find that except Islam every
>>religion is same. For example take chinese( who donot believe in God) and
>>hindus( who believe in 1000 Gods) amazingly they have many things in common
>>That both eat pork , both drink alcohol, both have same concept of
>>marriage. So if a chinese guy accept hinduism there would be no direct
>>impact on his/her life. Similar is the case with xtians and hindus and 
>>so on. So there is only one confrontation ,Muslim vs  Non-muslim.
>
>I am sorry Mustafa but you don't make any sense.  
>1. Chinese eat beef, Hinduism is against that.
>2. Christians eat beef too.
>3. Christians believe in one god and as you say Hindus believe in 1000 Gods.
>4. How is believing in no God and believing in 1000 Gods the same thing?
>5. Hindu marriage as far as I know has no limitations on the number of
>   husbands or wives.  But in India there is a law against that for Hindus.
>
>Every religion is different in some concepts that is why to be fair
>religion should have no role to play in governing the state.
>>
>>>
>>>	Almost every conceivable problem in the world is caused by moslems.
>>>Also, undoubtably all the major barbaric regimes in the world are run by
>>>Moslems ( Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait, Yemen, Iran, Pakistan just to name a few)
>>>and the major terrorist nations ( except Cuba) are all moslem ( Pakistan, Iran,
>>>cyria, Lybia, Jordan). Turkey is the ONLY moslem country which is secular.
>>>What does this tell us about our religion and our culture? It makes me wonder!
>>
>>This is absolutely wrong to say that every porblem is caused by muslims. 
>>In fact the case is reverse, every porblem is created for the muslim. 
>>For example  in india , before the british invasion,there was used to be 
>>a muslim rule. In that more than 1000 years rule we donot find any
>>hindu-muslim conflict. Even some of the Mughal Emperors used to have
>>Hindu Wives. There was peace and harmony. But when hindu came into 
>>power , after british left india, they started planning to demolish
>>all the mosques in india. In fact , on the eve of the establishment
>>of Pakistan there was a movement in india to convert all the muslims
>>to hinduism by force .
>
>Yes the Mughals were the greatest, but nobody has anwsered Satwinder's
>questions.  If inter religioun marriages define peace and harmony in a
>country, then in India now we have more such marriages than in that 
>took place in the Mughal era.
>1. Mumtaz's husband is a Hindu
>2. Amir Khan's wife is a Hindu
>3. Sonam has a Hindu hasband

>4. Sunil Dutt married a Muslim.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Manoj I think Nargis was a Zorastrian(Parsee).
>
>These are just the popular ones.
>Who told you that there was a movement to convert all Muslims to Hindus?
>Don't we have different laws for them.  And about Hindu rule in India,
>as far as I know none of the PMs declared themselves as Hindus, they
>have always said that they believe in all faiths.  Rajiv Gandhi's father
>was a Parsi, I don't know what religion he followed.  
>
>Don't worry about the Mughals, none of us were there then so we cannot
>be certian if things were peaceful during their rule.  In the subcontinent
>India has a Hindu majority and Pakistan has a Muslim majority.  The world
>agrees that India is a fair country and the world knows what Pakistan
>did to its fellow Muslims in Bangladesh.
>
>>Now surprisingly we find the exact situation in Spain. The same 
>>country used to have muslims rule and in that rule we find no
>>muslim-xtians tussle. But when xtians took over the charge they
>>killed each and every muslim there just like they are killing 
>>muslims in Bosnia. The president of France has already announced
>>that Europe must be devoid of any muslim country.
>>
>>
>>If you please answer me the following questions .
>>
>>India can have nuclear weapons but Pakisatan cannot
>>Israel can have nuclear weapons but Iraq cannot 
>>South Africa can have nuclear weapons but Sudan cannot
>>Why ?
>>West is helping dying people in Somalia but why the same
>>is blind over the massacre of people in Bosnia ? 
>
>What is wrong with you dude?  When has the West said that it is OK
>for India to have nuclear weapons.
 You know I was listening to Radio Australia about 5 weeks ago and some
 guy said that India had the capablity to make nuclear weapons but did
 not have any. Furthermore I do not think that the Non-Proliferation Treaty
allows even India to have nuclear weapons.Correct me if I am wrong.
>>
>>>
>>>
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>>Mustafa Ibrahim 
>
>Manoj

Shariq