From: cza@troy.uucp (C. Akgun)
Subject: Re: Turkish Businessmen in Former Soviet Republics
Organization: BCR, NJ-USA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 23:23:42 GMT

In article <9211051642.AA07703@kocrsw06.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>
>I guess you're right. Perhaps you could explain to us the principle
>that motivates the individual in question and his cadre of zealous,
>if anonymous, ghostwriters to go thru several computer accounts,
>be ridiculed in all of USENET, and spent a LOT of their own money
>in order to 'further their cause'.

How can I?  Everybody in this network has to be assumed here 
by representing themselves.   This goes beyond saying, being ridiculed
or not is people's own business.   This is his choice how to behave 
here.  Everyone should be free to ridicule anyone here if they don't 
like their ideas without getting obsene.  Because my system
administrator says he would not tolerate obscenity on any one's
part who use his ssytem and neither should any other administrator.
On the other hand, discussing someone's postings and his undesirable 
methods or tactics as you mentioned above is clearly your choice.  
As he made it very clear that he doesn't want to go away (as discussed 
in many news and news/network administrative groups).  As you heard many
times before, there is nothing can be done about because no one owns 
this network.  Does it make any difference my opinion, or your opinion,
or anybody else's for that matter to be rehashed umpteen times
as to how one should act here after all have been said there.
>
>It is one thing to support one's country of birth. Many people have
>repeated material off government radio stations; are the folks that
>post news off shortwave 'voice of xxxx' agents of xxxx? Nope. 
>It's one thing to start off with a campaign to present one's case to
>the net, even if people do not agree with you; it is another to
>force-feed it down at other peoples' throats for years, degrade it
>to random insults hurdled towards anyone disagreeing with you, abuse
>network resources, forge postings, use fake user ids and nonexisting
>or nonaccesible hosts, and make them pay for it on top of that.
>
>Regards,

So what you or I can do about it.  Did expressing your displeasure
help you in anyway?  Let me give you a case in point.
I was a member of a Turkish list up until November 2.
The topics went to the extereme beyond my taste and I
started to filter out almost entirely all mail messages
that I were receiving every day for a quite sometime.  This 
has happened a year and half ago in a same way. What do
you think I did n both cases since I could not control who can
post and what can be be posted there?  Just left. 
You may say this individual posts more than one groups.
Yeah, but you or somebody else was challenging him why
he could not dare to post his stuff in some of other groups
(soc.culture.jewish for instance) about two months ago.    As long as 
he receives comments about what he writes he would answer
those anyway as he pleases.  If one doesn't like his
attitude, one should deal the issue accordingly based on
what they can control.  The choices starts from not to engage 
any discussion with someone that you don't like and ends at stop 
reading those news groups altogther (although how extreme and
unfare to oneself this last choice would be).  

Cengiz Akgun
cza@troy.cc.bellcore.com

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish