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From: chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: C-NET
Date: 2 Sep 92 07:55:59 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

tdietz@tcedge.mi.org (Tom Dietz) writes:
>In an article, eodell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Eugene O'Dell) writes:
>
>>Why're you complaining that Ken used PD code?  It's in the public
>>domain for a reason, and the reason is that so people can benefit from
>>it.
>>
>
>PD code is still Copywritten.  Copywritten code is protected for the basic 
>principle of someone else cannot sell it.  People that produce PD code are a 
>good asset to the Amiga community, they share there knowledge openly with 
>others, this code is STILL copywritten, this is the what copyright office says 

ummm.. you better check your legalities again.  PD means PUBLIC DOMAIN. 
Anything in the public domain can be used by anyone, for anything.  You can
even copywrite something public domain yourself, though it may not stand up in
court.

If you copywrite something, it is not public domain (well, it might be, if the
copywrite doesn't stand up in court.  An example of this is Skypix which is
based on the public domain ANSI standard escape sequences)

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From: paws@spam.cray.com (Daniel Baehr)
Subject: Re: DLG Support BBS?
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: 2 Sep 92 05:25:44 CDT


In article <mkoch.0467@amisys.UUCP>, mkoch@amisys.UUCP (Mike Koch) writes:
> Could anyone bring me up to date on the status of TelePro's DLG support BBS?
> I logged on there a while back, and requested info on DLG, as well as one of
> their NDA/Order forms.  I received the info a few days later, but until
> recently I couldn't come up with the funds.  Now that I have, I can't seem to
> find their support BBS any more.  Calls to both of the numbers result in
> messages from the operator telling me the number(s) is no longer in service.
> 
> Unless they've moved, it seems odd that a BBS company would shut down their
> own support system.  Could someone give me the new number, if there is one?  I
> won't be sending my order in until I find out what's going on.

  They are alive and well!  I was logged on to the support BBS just this 
 morning.  The support BBS has moved to a new location and the telephone 
 numbers have changed.  I dont have them on me but I'll post them tomorrow
 if no one beats me to it, which I suspect they will!

> 
> Thanks!
> -- 
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> Mike Koch       rehab1!amisys!mkoch@cbmvax.commodore.com      CI$: 70017,2677


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From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: HST & SUpra: which is faster?
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:51:49 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

rkushner@sycom.mi.org (Ronald Kushner) writes:

>I can get a V.fast modem today from Motorola Codex which is supposed to do 
>24.4Kbps on the public network, and 115Kbps on lease lines..(and they will 
>upgrade it from free to the finalized V.fast standard one released)

  Check into that further, almost positive that the 24.4k figure is based on
V.42 and is not raw V.fast.

  V.fast is scaled from 2400bps in 2400bps increments up to 28.8k, 24.4k is
not a valid step within that range, the closest are 24k and 26.4k.

  Current testing on V.fast has been able to push it to 21.6k on average
copper, higher on short distance, digital PBX networks.

  -jack-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: hac@po.CWRU.Edu (H. Anthony Chung)
Subject: Re: Experience With BOCA Modems?
Reply-To: hac@po.CWRU.Edu (H. Anthony Chung)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 15:26:08 GMT


In a previous article, gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) says:
>Has anyone had experience with BOCA brand modems?  I've seen their PC
>internal modems for sale at local discount places.  More recently, I've
>noticed their standalone modems at street prices competitive with those
>for Supra brand.  My apologies if this has been discussed already; a
>keyword search of the currently-available articles showed nothing.

I just bought an external one after waiting for a month for my backorder to
arrive.  $320 Canadian, V.32/32bis/42/42bis/mnp5...and a class II group III
14.4 Kbps fax (Rockwell).  It can go the 57.6 Kbps and also comes with a
stand to stand it on it's side - it gets fairly hot, and I find that standing
it on its side helps to dissipate the heat better.

I wasn't too interested in the fax part, but for $320, that's cheaper than
any other v32bis I've seen with or without faxes.  The only problem is that
the fax software that comes with it is ms-dos, so you'll need to buy some
software to use the FAX.

Haven't had any problems with it so far.

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From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: HST & SUpra: which is faster?
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:44:31 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

rwm@atronx.OCUnix.On.Ca (Russell McOrmond) writes:

>  Face it, with the advancements in echo-cancellation based modems,
>uni-directinal carrier protocols like HST(USR) and Express96 (Hayes)
>aren't worth looking into now that high-speed standards exist.  
>Besides, if something goes wrong with your modem (Or manufacturer) you can
>move to another modem to 'upgrade' without loosing any features.  All
>those 'CSP' customers probably wish that they all had V.32/V.32Bis modems 
>so that they could talk to more modems.

  Face nothing, so long as there are people who want to push data as fast
as possible, the HST will find a home.  Even in the PeeCee domain where there
are a plethora of widespread full-duplex protocols available, the 16.8k Dual
is being used simply because a majority of file transfers are unidirectional,
or close to it based on the size ratios.

  The only major exception to this rule are the backboned sites within
Fidonet and other networks, those are closer to a primarily bidirectional
transfer situation, but they still feed net hubs that are not.

  The HST may no longer rule the roost as it once did, but it's nowhere's
near death so long as USR can push the speed up above the current CCITT
blessed protocols.

  -jack-
From: whiz@tension.UUCP (Michael Wotzka)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Problem
Date: 29 Aug 92 10:13:15 EST
Organization: High Tension BBS

Every time when I try to download a File I get a lot of CPS Errors.
The errors only occur when the File is written to the Hard Drive.
My CPS Rates are about 800 at 14.4k.
Can someone help me? Thanks in advance.

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From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: C-NET
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:18:21 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <Les_Jenkins.04ct@lppl.mi.org> Les_Jenkins@lppl.mi.org (Les Jenkins) writes:
>those things and, quite personally, if I had the talent to write a bit of
>code others would like to use and released it to the PD only to have Ken
>cut and paste it into his commercial software, I'd be quite P.O.ed about
>it.

	Not to sound like a flame, but if you DID release something like
that as 'PD' and he used it, it would be your own damned fault, and he (Ken
Pletzer (sp?)) or anyone else could use it however they wanted.  Noone is
fighting over the morality of what he did, as far as I can see.  It is really
anti-social to include large source chunks written by others without giving
them credit, even if the code is PD.  But if the code is 'public domain' it
is LEGAL to do this.  This whole argument stems from the fact that a good 
number of computer users cannot distinguish public domain for freely 
distributable.  Even in nation magazines, they are often confused (usually
EVERYTHING released freely is labeled 'public domain' when it shouldn't be)
There are alternative ways to release source code, one of the best, if you
don't want to be paid for usage, is GNU COPYLEFT, this insures that noone
else can use your code and then charge for the resulting product. (Well, it
at least makes that illegal...)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: The cause for Term problems? (was Re: Term 2.3 still has problems...)
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:53:33 GMT

kkrebs@amilink.UUCP (Ken Krebs) writes:
: Most problems with ToolManager stem from the fact that no one changes the
: Stack setting.  Try changing the stack for the "problem" program to
: something higher than 20000.

My stack is ALWAYS set to 32767, for nearly everything.  And Term is
being launched as a WB process, not a CLI one.

Greg

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From: paulk@terapin.com (Paul Kienitz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Amiga Comms (was RE: Amiga Kiosks?)
Date: 23 Aug 92 15:11:48 PST
Organization: BBS

Everybody complains about xprzmodem.library and nobody does anything about it.
It includes source, ya know ...
From: jbgoldsm@cats.ucsc.edu (Joshua B Goldsmith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Term 2.3 still has problems...
Date: 28 Aug 1992 04:01:05 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


I do not have that problem on my A3000 using the "term 2.3 '030" version.
At least it hasn't crashed on me yet while doing that...

Josh
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Pihl)
Subject: Re: XComm - Anyone who has tried it?
Keywords: xcomm, amiga, datacomm
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:13:25 GMT

In <1992Sep2.105840.25191@fwi.uva.nl> welter@fwi.uva.nl (Richard Welter) writes:
>>I downloaded it from a BBS last night and the program is
>>for sure SUPER!. Some real nice features, but it seems to
>>have lots of bugs. Who has made this program?

>It's terrible, it crashed twice just trying to configure it, so
>I immediately got rid of it.
>It was 'made' by some Australians I think. Actually it looked
>suspiciously like Term (one of the older versions), it looked so
>much like it that I suspect they used a lot of the Term source.
>So don't bother with it, just get Term2.3.

Yes, it looks very like Term. I usually use Term, but since XComm
had some more features, I'll stick to it for a while. Or at least until
I see how the next version will work.

The phonebook was *much* better in Xterm and I also had a feeling that it
was much faster online. Better ANSI-routines.


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From: paulk@terapin.com (Paul Kienitz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: JRComm???
Date: 3 Sep 92 10:48:38 PST
Organization: BBS

> It's still in beta test and taking much longer than expected.
 
Someone told me about three months ago that it was in "gamma test".
I figured by now it must be in epsilon test.  But bugs will be bugs...
From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: HST & SUpra: which is faster?
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:32:37 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

deeken@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Hans-Christoph Deeken) writes:

>>   I'm not trying to trivialize their utility, but I was looking for a more
>> mainstream use, like BIMODEM or HS/LINK for the PeeCee, neither of which is
>> currently available for the Amiga.

>Well, what about UUCP-g protocol? 

  Again, how widely used is it outside of USENET?

  -jack-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: willw@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (William Waring)
Subject: Re: XComm - Anyone who has tried it?
Keywords: xcomm, amiga, datacomm
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 02:01:38 GMT

>>Where did you get it from?
>>Is it on any of the ftp sites yet?
>
>I haven't seen it yet on any of the FTP sites (I got it from a BBS here in
>Sweden). I'll be back with more information if I find it.

You may have a hard time finding it, as I have made a public request for everyone to delete it, which I think is working. I don't really mind anyway, tell me what you think.

Regards,
	Edward




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From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: HST & SUpra: which is faster?
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:08:25 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

eodell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Eugene O'Dell) writes:

>     I'm not familiar with the ISDN...  What, exactly, is it?

  Integrated Services Digital Network.  It provides (as designed) voice,
data and video communications on a common phone carrier.

  -jack-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: david_s@hsr.no (David Andreas Sjoeen)
Subject: Re: BaudBandit 1.40
Reply-To: david-s@ifi.hsr.no
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:30:42 GMT

BaudBandit.device 1.40 can be found at amiga.physik.unizh.ch in the comm
(or ws it comms?) directory.

:)avid

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From: kaarts@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Kenneth John Aarts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Slip (AmigaNOS) with Suns
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:24:56 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

I am getting a slip connection soon, and was wondering about others
experineces using AmigaNOS to connect to suns.  One of the administrators
here mentioned that they have had problems with some versions of KAQ9.

Thanks,
	Ken
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: bjst@sth.frontec.se (Bjorn Stenberg)
Subject: Re: HST & SUpra: which is faster?
Organization: IDK/Frontec, Sweden
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:16:41 GMT

In article <36908@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> jma@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John 'Vlad' Adams) writes:
> [...]
> And when using a new
>16.8k HST, one sees over 2000 CPS to the V.32bis 1600 to 1650 CPS.  And
>as far as transferring mail with my NEC, since my outgoing packet is
>on the order of 50k to the incoming 800k, well, I think you can figure
>out the math that the HST is faster in unidirectional transfer than would
>be an (currently non-existent) Amiga bi-directional mailer protocol that
>talks to FrontDoor, D'Bridge, or BinkleyTerm.

The HST is in this case about a minute faster, thanks to the great length of 
the incoming file.

In my case, I receive about 200 KB mail from my HUB, and send something like
30-50 KB after a busy day.

In MY mail case the HST beats the Supra with something like 2.5 seconds, which
is quickly eaten up by all the 0.3 second ping-pong line swaps the HST does
during the EMSI negotiation between my HUB and my BBS.

These mail session examples are cases where there is little or no need for 
bidirectional file transfer, yes.

I have some other examples, though:

* Full screen editors
=====================
There's no 'obvious' main line direction when using full screen text editors. 
Sure, as long as I only type I can stay below the 450 bps back-channel HST 
supplies. But as soon as i start moving with the cursor or keep SPACE pressed
down a little while my HST starts acting really annoying:

1. I keep CRSR-LEFT pressed to move 40 characters.
2. The HST ping-pongs the line to get the 14k4 channel to be my SEND channel.
3. All the ANSI escape codes from the remote BBS is sent back. That's more 
   than 450 bps...
4. One more ping-pong, to allow the reception of the ANSI control codes.
5. I move around a little in the editor again.
6. More ping-ponging...

This sounds like a joke, but it's not, it's darned annoying that's what it is!

* Networks
==========
At work, we use (among other things) a V.32bis to allow remote workstations to
connect to our local network.
All of us use X-Windows (with different user interfaces on top) our our SUNs.
The X system sure likes to send a lot more than 450bps in both directions
simultaneously... We've actually tested using a 16k8 HST instead of our V.32bis
but our most frequent remote users (of course also supplied with HSTs)
complained so much we had to change back to the 'slower' V.32bis.


If you look at a little more than ONE single case of usage, you will quickly
find out that those extra 2400 bps in one direction are simply not an argument
for the missing 13950 bps in the other...

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From: qsnow@lonestar.utsa.edu (Quentin . Snow)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Tempest BBS for sale.
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:21:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

>This is the best bbs software IMO for most people.   Starnet sux

Correcto! Tempest BBS is the best BBS software currently produced for the
Amiga.  And the NEXT version of TEMPEST will support FIDO net, and XPR
protocols .. So, then there will be absolutely no reason for anyone not
to LOVE tempest!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: willw@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (William Waring)
Subject: Re: Which is the best comms package (BBS and general) ?
Keywords: n
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:53:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.235043.26331@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> alexr@capella.EETECH.McGill.CA (Alex Rousseau) writes:
>Hello, fellow Usenuts and Amigos. I am currently using Online! for all
>my Comms needs but I find it rather lacking in certain aspects, not
>very graphically pleasing, and the lack of a BBS program makes me ask
>the following question:
>
>	Which in your opinion is the best public domain comms program
>	for the Amiga ? (Ideally, I would like a program that opens a
>	both the terminal and buffer windows on the Workbench - not
>	on a separate screen (ChipRAM... you know what I mean).
>
>	How about a BBS package ?
>
>Your answers will be greatly appreciated.

The best PD comms program in my view would be X-Comm (Maybe thats coz I wrote it?) being serious. and modest. X-Comm can be opened on ANY public screen currently open in the system. It will automatically use the public screen's resolution and fonts and WILL open its review buffer on that screen :-). Sorry but V1.0 is about 1 month or so away, so re-run the survey then :-).. Actually, I'd be very interested to see what the results of the survey are. It is always very useful to know what people actually want


 in their terminal program.

Regards,
	Edward
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From: hemmer@hemmer.adsp.sub.org (Franz Hemmer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Re: WB2.04 Format Program
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:15:24 GMT
Reply-To: cbmehq!cbmden!hemmer@cbmvax.commodore.com (Franz Hemmer)
Organization: InterActivsion
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Aug25.211331.3639@darwin.ntu.edu.au> hoffmann@nutmeg.cs.ntu.edu.au (Arthur Hoffmann) writes:

> Hi, does anyone know what the Inhibit swich is supposed to do. One more thing, I

Where do you see this Inhibit switch ? Anyway, the Inhibit() function of
dos.library locks the drive from acceess to others, giving you the '???' icon
on the Workbench.

> thought that FFS was the default option in WB2.04, so how comes that I always
> have to type FFS when I am formatting disks?

For floppys, the default is NOFFS, for harddrives or others, Format uses the
information specified by the HDToolBox program or the MountList to determine
the the DOS type and file system (this taken from the Bantam AmigaDOS manual
3rd Editition).

> 					Arthur Hoffmann

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From: earl@rtsg.mot.com (Brent R. Earl)
Subject: 1.3 to 2.04 ansi escape codes?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:30:57 GMT

I have a program that uses ansi escape codes for cursor positioning,
screen clear, and highlighting.  (specifically, the empire tools
for old empire).  I believe that the clear screen and highlight
still work, but the cursor movement seems broken.

It appears that the codes to place the cursor have changed from
1.3 to 2.x.  1.3 codes were
cursor movement = esc[#;#H  where the numbers are row and column

Supposedly, you can use
esc[#x for horizontal placement from left window border
esc[#y for vertical placement from top of window

Are these codes more explicit in the rkm than the 2.x manual?
Where can one find the ansi x3.64 spec that is mentioned in
the 2.x manual (section 7 pages 43-45 for my manual).
I don't happen to have the 2.x rkms yet.