HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Help needed installing C News
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:39:23 GMT

Greetings,

I am trying to install C-NEWS and NNTPD on a SUN ELC workstation.   I can't
seem to get everything to work.  Maybe some of you have seen the same
symptoms before and can offer suggestions.

The workstation is running SUNOS 4.1.2, has 8mb of RAM and has a 100 meg
disk and a 1 gig disk.  Everything seemed to build correctly for both c-news
and nntpd. I followed the instructions (I think) for setting up nntpd
correctly. When I built c-news, it created four newsgroups, control,
general, junk, and news.announce.newusers.  At least, it created entries for
these in /usr/lib/news/active.  I have newsreaders on two different
machines.  When I use either of these to read news from the server, the four
newsgroups are listed and there are no messages in them.  When I try to post
a message in any of the groups, I get the error message:


NNTP-POST Refused: 441 news NNTP server out of space.  Try again.


Is this a problem with nntpd or c-news?  I tested nntpd by using telnet
to connect to port 119.  I received the following message:


telnet news 119
Trying 131.204.2.16 ...
Connected to news.duc.auburn.edu.
Escape character is '^]'.
200 news NNTP[auth] server version 1.5.11 (10 February 1991) ready at Mon Apr  6 09:31:57 1992 (posting ok).


I also tried to post a message using postnews.  Here is what happened:


news# postnews
Newsgroup(s)? news.announce.newusers
Subject: test
Posting...
news# /usr/lib/newsbin/inject/inews:  too little space free on /usr/spool/news
/usr/lib/newsbin/inject/inews: article in //dead.article

I want to be sure everything is working before I try to get a feed.

Currently, I have everything installed on the 100 meg disk, and there is
about 7 meg free.  The message I entered was only a few characters.  If I
can get everything to work, I am planning on linking /usr/spool/news to the
1 gig disk so that all of the articles can be stored there.

I have the default cron job installed and I have newsboot in rc.local.

I have read through the various documents that came with both packages,
but I can't seem to find the answer.  I would appreciate any help that
you can send.

Thanks in advance,


David Swanger
Academic Computing Services
Auburn University, AL  36849
swanger@sitting.duc.auburn.edu
swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: newgroup and newsgroups file
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:39:55 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <1992Apr12.104410.3381@ukw.uucp> lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph) writes:
>Is there any specific reason to not let newgroup update the newsgroups
>file? ...

Yes:  because a newgroup message does not reliably include a suitable
entry for the newsgroups file.  An automatic update could put in a line
for the new group, but couldn't supply a description.
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                             -Dick Dunn |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.sysadmin
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Adding Lines: to Cnews
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:16:20 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <epeterso.703429712@fenix> epeterson@encore.com (Eric Peterson) writes:
>The inews script has some code in it that will generate the Lines: header...
>Since inews handles almost all incoming news, this should add the Lines:
>header for you...

Uh, the latter is not correct.  Inews handles local postings and only
local postings (barring obscure trickery like gatewaying).  Traffic posted
elsewhere never goes through it.
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Networking                              |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Current Version of CNews?
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:53:52 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <1992Apr14.221603.26417@nctams1.uucp> tomj@pnet16.cts.com (Tom Jenkins) writes:
>Will the newer version allow for 'cross-linking' between filesystems (in
>Xenix)?

By "cross-linking" I assume you mean "if you can't make a link, copy the
bytes".  (There isn't any magic way to fake symbolic links because the
news readers have to know about it too.)  That's coming, although I don't
think it's in the imminent release.
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Networking                              |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer)
Subject: Re: What happened to news.software.transport?
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:10:27 GMT

The name news.software.uucp is inappropriate as a replacement for
news.software.b.  How about renaming news.software.nntp to
comp.protocols.nntp and news.software.b to news.software.transport?
-- 
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Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.sysadmin,news.software.readers
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: can B 2.11 news software store article in compressed form?
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:44:54 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <2495@keele.keele.ac.uk> cca13@seq1.keele.ac.uk (G.D. Pratt) writes:
>We are heading into problems with storing sufficient news to satistfy our
>rapacious readers. Can B 2.11 news software, or any later version or C news
>store articles as compressed (*.Z) or compacted (*.C) files? I suspect this 
>might save 25-35% of space. Also can any news readers deal with this?

Most articles are short, and compression ratios are small; the savings are
reduced further by the allocation of disk storage in blocks.

Neither B News nor C News has ever done this, and I'm not aware of any
readers that are prepared to deal with it.
-- 
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                             -Dick Dunn |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
From: ssanbeg@visual.spk.wa.us (Scott Sanbeg)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Current Version of CNews?
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:53:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Visual Market Public Access Site - Spokane, WA

Well, I *thought* I'd seen where a new version of Cnews was coming
out "in a few days," a couple of weeks ago. Is the 12/91 version
being upgraded (not that it needs it), or were my eyes in poor
shape?
Scott

 
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Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: hirai@cc.swarthmore.edu (Eiji Hirai)
Subject: Re: death to sendsys terrorists
Organization: Swarthmore College Computing Center, Swarthmore, PA, USA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:16:13 GMT

I like to take the minimalist approach so I have all of {checkgroups,
newgroup, rmgroup, sendsys, senduuname, version} in bin/ctl be symlinks to
this script:

X #! /bin/sh
X # ctl/* - just mail stuff to $NEWSMASTER
X # =()<. ${NEWSCONFIG-@<NEWSCONFIG>@}>()=
X . ${NEWSCONFIG-/usr/new/lib/cnews/bin/config}
X export NEWSCTL NEWSBIN NEWSARTS
X PATH=$NEWSCTL/bin:$NEWSBIN/relay:$NEWSBIN:$NEWSPATH ; export PATH
X umask $NEWSUMASK
X 
X /bin/cat - | /usr/ucb/mail -s "[news] `/usr/bin/basename $0` article" $NEWSMASTER
X exit 0

which sends mail to me.  You can use a filter to filter out the Subject:
line if you want.  Why put up with your ctl software trying to outguess what
should be done automatically and what should be manually?  When I see bogus
newgroup or sendsys articles, I just delete it.

--
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Unix Hacker for Swarthmore College      :     :    :   :  : :: ::: :::: :::::
Computing Center, Swarthmore, PA, USA.  Copyright 1992 by Eiji Hirai.
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Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: rsalz@uunet.uu.net (Rich Salz)
Subject: Re: What happened to news.software.transport?
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:34:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.172222.28703@telesoft.com> garym@telesoft.com (Gary Morris @lone) writes:
>What's the status of news.software.transport?
I was the last person to put out an RFD on n.s.transport.

Having other stuff to do (ah, the pain of real work), I let the issue drop
for a few months.  I have been thinking about it for the past week or two,
and decided that the name is bad.  News.software.transport seems to also
"eat up" news.software.nntp.  Perhaps news.software.uucp is a better name
for news.software.b?

If nobody wants to do this, I might start it up again in a month or so.
	/r$
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer)
Subject: Re: C News ihave/sendme - Still Confused?
Organization: Software Tool & Die Netnews Research Center
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 03:00:39 GMT

Ron Heiby:
>Well, I've read just about everything I could find in the distribution
>documentation concerning ihave/sendme, and I'm still confused.

It's inherently confusing; I get confused every time I try to think about
it.

>I'm hoping to convert my news system to C News within the next few days,

Then you should probably hold off; we're in the process of packaging up a
new release, which has a much simpler implementation of ihave/sendme.  It
only requires 2 entries per site and I can actually follow it when I'm
not tired.

>Frankly, I think life just got a whole lot more complex.

Actually I think it's always been complex, and C News merely exposed that
complexity to view, partly to allow more flexibility and partly in a vain
attempt to discourage its use.  Ultimately we'd like to simplify
ihave/sendme further.
-- 
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Xref: sparky news.software.b:1982 news.software.nntp:619 news.software.readers:1047
From: pcc@kadima.s1.gov (Philip C. Cox)
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.nntp,news.software.readers
Subject: Trouble posting from some remote clients
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:19:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: s1.1992Apr15.171931.17294
Reply-To: pcc@s1.gov
Organization: LLNL
Originator: pcc@kadima.s1.gov


I am running C-News December Patch level, NNTP 1.5.11, Xrn 6.17 & 
rn 4.4 (on suns), Xrn 6.13 Motif (on mips). I am having the following 
problems:

If a user uses Xrn or rn from the suns, all works well and the post is
made & seen localy on our nntpserver & spooled to the /usr/spool/news/out.going directory for later transfer to our feeds. If, from the same machine, 
they post via postnews (i.e. not from a news reader), the post only 
goes to the nntpserver, and is never spooled for later transfer. 
The later also hapens if you try to post from the Xrn on the mips machines. 

Any help as to the cause/correction of these problems would be greatly
appreciated.


Phil
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Xref: sparky news.software.b:1922 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:2944
From: heath@iceblink.cs.jhu.edu (Dave Heath)
Newsgroups: news.software.b,comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: cnews/nntp under NeXT Mach 1.1 -- really slow?
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:09:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: blaze.1992Apr8.170936.9371
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD

We are running Cnews (evidently patchdate version 27-Aug-1991) and 
nntp1.5.11 on an original next cube with operating system 1.1.
All the news programs, libraries, and articles are located on an
internal 660mb disk (not the optical), and the machine has 16mb of
ram. We are getting fed from 2 sites and allow 1 or 2 people to read
via nntp. The machine is not used for anything else.

Anyway, the poor machine can't keep up. Slowly, /usr/spool/news/in.coming
fills with unprocessed news. Processing does happen, but it is slow. If
I turn off one of the feeds, in.coming slowly empties, but it takes days.
Running relaynews by hand on a 62kb batch gives the following time output:

1.8u 23.4s 5:32 7% 0+0k 6110+244io 0pf+0w

(This is with nntpd temporarily disabled). Should processing a 62kb batch
take 5 and a half minutes? I am assuming that most of the time is spent
in i/o.

Is the NeXT simply too wimpy to keep up with the simple task of handling
a newsfeed or is something wrong? 

Here are some other facts:
/usr/spool/news generally is under 90% full
we are using dbz and nn.
we were swapping a lot, but upgrading to 16mb ram stopped that.
we get a full feed, except for alt.

We would appreciate any help: possible ways to speed things up, bugs
to watch out for, or configurations that run well on the next. Would
this be helped by upgrading the NeXT os to 2.1?

Thanks,

-dave heath
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
Subject: Re: stripping underlines from incoming news?
Organization: Mentor Graphics, Silicon Design Division
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:46:02 GMT

In <9ZKHBHRY@cc.swarthmore.edu> hirai@cc.swarthmore.edu (Eiji Hirai) writes:
>Good plan.  Currently, TheNews, NewsWatcher and Nuntius are all clueless
>about underlines.  Sigh.

Somehow we have to get the authors of TheNews, NewsWatcher and Nuntius
to read newsgroups that have such underline tricks.  I'll contact the
News Fairie and get him to secretly subscribe them all to
biz.clarinet.sample.

Does anyone have the NF's current email address?

Tom
-- 
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From: bochner@das.harvard.edu (Harry Bochner)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: newgroup and newsgroups file
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:03:42 GMT
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <1992Apr13.153955.29032@zoo.toronto.edu>, henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry
Spencer) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr12.104410.3381@ukw.uucp> lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph)
writes:
|> >Is there any specific reason to not let newgroup update the newsgroups
|> >file? ...
|> Yes:  because a newgroup message does not reliably include a suitable
|> entry for the newsgroups file.  An automatic update could put in a line
|> for the new group, but couldn't supply a description.

True, but the newgroup messages that David Lawrence sends out for the major
hierarchies contain an entry, and it's unambiguously labelled. So it's not
terribly hard to search the body of the message for a line that looks like
"For your newsgroups file", and if one is found, grab the following line for
the newsgroups file.

I use a home-grown version of the newgroup script (in perl (sorry, Henry ;-))
that does this, and it works pretty well: for the major hierarchies, everything
(including the newsgroups file) gets updated w/o intervention.

I hesitate to post my code, however, because it's been evolving, and I'm not
totally convinced of its robustness. So I just wanted to point out that this
could be done.

-- 
Harry Bochner
bochner@das.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (John G Dobnick)
Subject: Re: stripping underlines from incoming news?
Originator: jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Reply-To: jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 21:09:20 GMT

The underlines are part of the *text* of a message.

Should one strip them out, one would be {changing|editing|rewriting}
someone else's article.    Where does such "censoring" end?

Bad juju, to say nothing of bad precedent, folks.
-- 
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Computing Services Division             INTERNET: jgd@uwm.edu
University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee     UUCP: uunet!uwm!jgd

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and is thus a source of civilized delight."  -- William Safire
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: stripping underlines from incoming news?
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:04:08 GMT
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central


 Eiji> == Eiji Hirai <hirai@cc.swarthmore.edu> 

 Eiji> Most of our users use brain-dead Macintosh news reading programs
 Eiji> which don't understand the _^H syntax for underlines.  So (as
 Eiji> much as it pains me to do this, sniff) I'm going to put something
 Eiji> like the following in newsrun:
[...]
 Eiji> Does this sound like a sane way to approach the problem?  Should
 Eiji> I do this stripping of underlines elsewhere?

Please don't do this!  If you strip them on your disk, your feed sites
will get the mutated (non-underlined) versions!

I would put the code into nntpd; doing it on the fly isn't *that* big a
hog, and that way your Mac users are happy.

This assumes nobody has a "suck" NNTP feed from you, but hey.

(What newsreader do your Mac readers use, anyway?  Maybe we could get
Peter Speck to add underline handling to Nuntius, if he hasn't
already...)
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From: dburr@nixhub.UUCP (Donald Burr)
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.sysadmin
Subject: Adding Lines: to Cnews
Date: 12 Apr 92 06:24:22 GMT
Reply-To: dburr@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Donald Burr)
Organization: NixBBS Public Access UNIX, Carpinteria, CA


We are running a quite recent patchlevel of Cnews (December 1991 I believe).
I remember some time ago someone asked this question, and several people
posted quite detailed and accurate information.  Unfortunately, I can't
find my copy of that article.  I am in need of this information again.
Basically, what I would like to know is how to add the Lines: header to
C News, both for incoming news (if it does not already have a Lines:
header) and for outbound news.

I don't know if we're receiving this group, so please send replies thru
E-Mail, to dburr@gnu.ai.mit.edu. Thanks!
 
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Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Re: stripping underlines from incoming news?
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 05:44:57 GMT

While underlining isn't part of any defined standard, the fact that
RN did it is strong encouragement for other newsreader authors to do it.

Of course, the real answer is to define some sort of "rich text" format,
like the Microsoft one, or the Andrew one, and put a header in definining
the format of the text, with the default being Ascii, or Ascii with
underlining.

Other formats such as "binary with text header" and "gif with text
header" would be great to have too, though all could be subsumed into
an appropriate multimedia format.
-- 
Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: eastick@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Doug Eastick)
Subject: Re: What happened to news.software.transport?
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:17:21 GMT

News.software.uucp no way.  How about news.software.bowels :-)?
-- 
Doug Eastick -- Sudbury, Ontario
From: pe@dasc.nl (Peter J. Ebbelink)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: Really ugly inews feature request
Date: 16 Apr 92 07:30:32 GMT
Organization: Data Sciences B.V.

In <nqshb5s@csv.warwick.ac.uk> cudep@warwick.ac.uk (Ian Dickinson) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.172032.2093@Warren.MENTORG.COM> tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>>If there are multiple newsgroups on the line, pick the first newsgroup
>>that has a matching signature file.  If none do, start looking for
>>hierarchy names.  (i.e. posting to foo.bar.baz would search for
>>.signature.foo.bar.baz, .signature.foo.bar, and .signature.foo, before
>>defaulting to .signature.

>Feeping creature indeed, but I'd like to see this too,
>though I still think the posting program is the right place to put this.
>Shouldn't be too hard to hack into Pnews et al.

>>With inews being re-written in C, this really shouldn't be too difficult.
>>A couple of stat()s wouldn't slow posting down much :-).

>True, but how much posting goes on at the average site?
>Not enough for a few stats to kill a machine, I'll wager.

Well, this issue comes up once in a while over and over. The bottom line
is this: inews should NOT add anything to the article anymore.
Signatures should be added by the posting software at the user's
preference. Some even went one step further and said the signature
should be added PRIOR to editing the message, so people can SEE the
signature is appended. This way there won't be any posting with double
signatures. I tend to agree with this.

Cheers,

Peter
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From: mark@drd.com (resident.alien)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: stripping underlines from incoming news?
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:28:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: drd.1992Apr13.142807.4145
Organization: DRD Corporation

>In article <CKD.92Apr11180852@loiosh.eff.org> ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:
>>Like MIME, preferably, to keep the commonality with e-mail that we've
>>had since the B news article format came about...

In article <1992Apr12.005958.8942@zoo.toronto.edu> henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:
>It is actually not clear that commonality between news and mail actually
>buys us a lot; relatively few people use the same tools on both, barring
>the matter of gatewaying between news and mailing lists.  

now wait a minute -- I've got 30 some megabytes of e-mail folders comprised
of articles saved in mailbox format from trn.  I read 'news' with my
'mail reader' all the time.  (granted, I don't have much occasion to read
my mail with my newsreader -- wish I could.  Threaded e-mail has some
interesting possiblilities.)

>Their [e-mail and news under proposed rfc's] approaches are reasonable and
>there is no point in gratuitously doing things differently.

oh, good.

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