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From: glover@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric Glover)
Subject: Re: My $0.02 about "Time's Arrow II"
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:51:35 GMT

In article <1a52e0INNje9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel) writes:

Ditto. There are some really bad plot-o's in this episode.

>	(1)  Where did the away team get its period clothing?  They
>clearly had no money (hence the run-in with the landlady over rent).
>If they resorted to the old Kirk/Spock trick of stealing clothes off
>a clothesline, where did Beverly and Deanna get their earrings and
>brooches?  And how did Beverly *also* come up with a nurse's uniform
>and granny glasses?

That was truly stupid.  That made little or no sense at all as they
seemed to be jumping into "time-already in progress". If this was
City on the edge of forever, where Spock and Kirk show before
McCoy arrives fine. Maybe they just needed to explain this better.

Btw where did they find time or money (since they couldnt pay
the rent) to get the play scripts?

[Cholera stuff deleted.]

[Depleation of energy] >from their nervous systems" was 
>pseudo-biological babble of the worst
>kind.  What does that statement mean?

It means the writers didnt want to say the 'L' word -- Lifeforce.
Whats funny is avoiding the word made the story even more hoaky
 with the biobabble.

>	(4)  Picard poking an S.O.S. into Data's static RAM is the
>worst deus ex machina device I can think of in ST:TNG.

Yeah. Agreed. Sorry it just aint gonna happen.

>It's
>completely out of character for Picard--it reverts to the old Kirk
>chestnut of telling all the highly trained technical people how to
>do their jobs.

I dont think is out of character for piccard -- just beyond any
body but *Maybe* Geordi, Beverly and Westly's technical knowledge.
Sorry but Piccard just doesnt hack into data's brain after the
system suffered a catastrophic failure.

lets just face it, this one was pretty bad on the consistancy.



Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: md021@thor.albany.edu ()
Subject: Playing 'Star Trek' by the Minute 
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 17:12:22 GMT


From the New York Times Business Section, Tuesday, September 29
Copied without permission
 
BEAM ME UP!
I'M OUT OF CHANGE!
 
By Adam Bryant
 
"Star Trek" plans to boldly go to the mall.
 
Paramount Pictures has licensed it "Star Trek: The Next Generation"
television series as the theme of mall-based entertainment centers
that are to incorporate "Star Trek" into so called vrtual reality
games.  The computerized playgrounds will use complex software to
create the illusion that participants are immersed in a life-size
fantasy world.
 
The stores will be built and operated by St. Louis bases Edison
Brothers Stores, owner of 2,800 specialty shops, such as clothing
and shoe stores and video arcades.  Edison already runs 10
virtual-reality centers, dubbed Virtuality.
 
The first "Star Trek" centers are to be set up in the next 12 to 18
months, although the sites have not yet been chosen.
 
Company officials are not disclosing the cost of building the centers
but they are cliarly facing a pricey proposition.  The mainstay of
the larger centers - to be known as Star Bases, as opposed to the
smaller Star Posts - will be a game in which up to 50 people can
participate from their various positions at the Enterprise's
bridge, holodeck, and transporter and engineering rooms.  Some
players will also wear virtual-reality helmets, well padded to protect
against slam dunks by unsuccessful adventurers

Spectrum Holobyte of Alameda, Calif., which already produces computer
software games based on Star Trek, is designing the virtual-reality
software, which will find a role for every player, and keep them
busy with various emergencies and tasks even when the game's
central action is taking place elsewhere in the starship.  Gilman
Louie, chairman of Spectrum Holobyte, said the game would probably
cost between 50 cents and $1 a minute - depending, for example, on
"whether you want to be the captain," he said.  For players who
have no idea what to do once they enter a virtual world, the
game will suggest appropriate moves.

Besides the centerpeice virtual-reality game, some of the stores will
include restaurants offering, among other fare, Klingon burgers.

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From: davidhe@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: RE: ST:TNG movie ???
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:37:47 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <04OCT92.22386589.0089@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP) 
writes:
> In article <67059@cup.portal.com> shigsch@cup.portal.com (Shirley Gillard 
Schneckloth) writes:
>> As much as I enjoy Patrick Stewart as Captain Picard, I would prefer
>>if he were 'premoted'o to admiral, left the show and came back for a few guest
>>appearances.
>> If Will Riker were then made captain, who do you think would be his
>>first officer? If Data were promoted, who would replace him as Chief Operation
>>Officer? Worf -- who would be Chief of Security? Geordi -- who would be Cheif
>>Engineer?
> 
> Seeing as how Spock was First Officer and Science Officer, why can't
> Data be both First Officer and Chief Operating Officer?
> 
Yeah, but then who would sit in the 1st officer's chair? @-)

*****************************************************************************
Lucas Dambergs 
      AKA     
The Supreme Cow

Absence makes the heart grow fungus.    -- The Barenaked Ladies
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada, North America, Sol III (Earth), Terran System
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From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TA II question--spoiler
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:28:09 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

Simple - what did Data have in his hand when his head blew off?  This
device became the focal point for the gateway.  Meanwhile, Data's head 
was too far away to be caught in the effect. 

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* Donald Boell - Hewlett Packard               *
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* When you're chewing on life's gristle        *
* Don't grumble, give a whistle - Monty Python *
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From: carlson@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Richard Carlson)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:18:23 GMT
Subject: Re: MORE STAR TREK PRANKS
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current

> -> Steal (err...borrow) one of data's fingers when he's down for routine
> servicing.

Reminds me of one of the funnier comments made at this past weekend's
StarCon in Denver...

Someone asked Brent Spiner how he liked seeing Data's head detached in TA I.
He replied along the lines of:  Well, now they've taken off and reattached
just about every part of Data, except one... and they're *not* touching *it*!

-- Richard
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From: ACDSPW@SUVM.SYR.EDU (Sally Webster)
Subject: Names of episodes
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 15:33:51 EDT

Where do you people find the names of the ST:TNG episodes?  I watch
carefully every week and almost never see an episode name.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: dave@gergo.tamu.edu (Dave Martin)
Subject: Re: Data's Head deterioration not affecting anything Explained!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Geochemical & Environmental Research Group, Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:41:00 GMT

}In article <1992Sep28.123642.149830@watson.ibm.com>, rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers) writes:
}>    Ok...here's the *REAL* question.  Why didn't Data see the iron filing
}> when he was examining his head in the first place on TA I?  I just watched
}> it again and he does have that flap in the back of his head open...there
}> is simply NO WAY that Data (being 100% familiar with his own layout) should
}> have missed it.

That's why Geordi mumbled "How did *that* get there?" when he found it. Data
examined the head before Picard had decided to follow the aliens to 1893 SF.
At that point there had been no iron filing placed inside. Once Picard beamed
down to the alien cavern and went through the time portal, he was there to
place the filing in Data's head.
Looks like STTNG is borrowing from the BTTF theory of time travel (where it
takes a while for the changes in time to catch up with the traveller). 

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From: tappek@bntley.bntley.ingr.com (Kurt Tappe)
Subject: Re: Cpt. Ross Perot
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Bentley Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:19:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.173240.6033@linus.mitre.org>, m14494@mwvm.mitre.org
(Mike White) wrote:
> 
> Which leads us naturally to: Cpt. Ross Perot, Starfleet Command!


C'mon.... you GOTTA admit that if Perot were the space-going type, he
would be a FERENGI!  (Especially with those ears! ;-)


-Kurt Tappe  tappek@bntley.bntley.ingr.com  (215) 458-5000
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From: runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan)
Subject: Re: About Barkley...
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:59:05 GMT
Organization: HP, Cupertino, CA, USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

harderaf@cnsvax.uwec.edu wrote:
>>, cssam@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Scott Minor) writes:
>> Does anyone else wonder if Lt. Barkley went to the academy on the Kevin
>> Riley schlarship?
>Did anyone notice that tonight it was a Barkley episode, e.g. everyone else had
>the week off?  ...

Strange, but I remember seeing all the stars of this show in this episode.

Yes, we saw it from Barkley's point of view.  It provided a slightly 
different view of the main characters than are normally provided.  I
was quite interested in seeing what the normal crew member of the ship
sees normally.

Mark Runyan
From: schamber@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Sylvain Chamberland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Jean-Luc EXPLOITS android labor!!!!
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:07:09 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <6323@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) writes:
[stuff from another poster deleted]
>
>Let's say YOU owned the ONLY pocket calculator in the whole, wide world and
>somebody called you up and wanted to use it for a door stop at a steam roller
>convention.  Wouldn't YOU think twice?
>
>Picard didn't want to let Data be a Captain of one of the ships in his fleet!
>Why? "Because I thought you'd have duties to attend to on the Enterprise" says
>Jean-Luc.  Ha!  Data is so *valuable* to him as an all-purpose calulator that
>he's reluctant to let him go!  Jean Luc suckered that poor android into
>signing up for his ship and he's NOT ABOUT to let him go!
>
>"Gee, Data, 23 years isn't quite enough to be Captain of a ship, so sorry!".
>It was only when Data forced Picard's hand that Jean Luc finally said,
>"Well, I see that there *is* ONE ship that you could command.  It has faulty
>wiring and spews radiation that will kill the crew if you have to defend
>yourself.  Also, it comes with a first officer that's a bigot!  Sure Data,
>you wanna be a Captain, I can help you out!  She's yours: The USS TITANIC!"

Data said himself to the boy in episode 111 (I don't remember the title.
It's the one where a boy was rescued from a ship and was the only
survivor, and decided to "become" an android. I can't believe I don't
remember the title, I taped it yesterday! [rerun])

"My service record does warrant such a position yet" when asked why he is
not captain.

So your use of this point in your argumentation that Data is a slave is
unwarranted...   :)

But it's suspicious to me as well, Riker was offered command before spending
23 years in Starfleet, and Data is supposed to have an excellent record.

I think this is a little inconsistency in this series...

BTW, everybody note, please, that the captain's name is Jean-Luc.
							    ^
Note the hyphen. "Luc" is NOT a middle name, it's part of his name...
French never have middle initials...

>Terry ":-P for the humor impaired" Wood

Sylvain "NMI" Chamberland
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From: kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori)
Subject: Re: REALM OF FEAR -- OPINIONATED COMMENTS
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 02:17:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.233815.13869@netcom.com> obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.110508.12676@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
>>
>>Realm of Spoilers ahead



>>
>>Plotwise, the mystery-ship subplot wasn't bad as far as tacked on
>>science menace subplots go. It had some atmosphere, as I mentioned above,
>>but suffered from a rushed ending as often. Barclay's deductive flash
>>seems just too easy to me, and Worf and Beverly were awfully quick to jump
>>on his orders ("grab 'em and hold on.") The ending was also predictable
>>as hell -- anyone who couldn't figure out that the worms were really
>>the missing crew after the first act just wasn't trying.
>>

Actually, you're canceling yourself out :-)



>In "Anyone who couldn't figure out..."  you have to include Warf and the other
>security people  (I don't think it was Beverly, but that's a quibble)
>And the evidence backing up Barclay's order was a living, breathing,
>human being right there in the room!!  Including these statements in the
>same paragraph is rather interesting.

I meant "any viewer", actually, rather than "any character or viewer."
What tipped me off was the pacing and construction of the script (notably,
the Away Team examining the transporter pad of the wrecked ship combined
with the knowledge that this was a "fear about being disassembled" plot).
The characters in the story weren't expecting to participate in a hour
structured as a TV drama, so they didn't have the vantage point needed
to spot the clue... as you point out below.

>
>I think in your effort to find faults, you've spotted two of which even you
>ought to be able to admit one cancels the other.  Yes, it *was* predictable,
>but so is most of life, to someone with the advantage of a completely
>separate perspective, i.e. the viewer.

Okay, but what counts in a mystery *is* its nonobviousness to the viewer 
(as opposed to the characters involved in it). You just proved my point: 
you said it was predictable.

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From: charlesk@fraser.sfu.ca (Charles Hak Kim)
Subject: Re: "Jack" from TAI
Keywords: The actor
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: bl
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 21:02:44 GMT

jgd@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (Jerome Donovan) writes:



>Perhaps the character served no purpose other than being Datas helper,
>but the ACTOR who plaied Jack was VERY pleasent to look at and his 
>bell-boy uniform was nicely fitted.  This was no accident, just as
>Dianas costumes aren't so provocative accidently.

>If you've read the Advocate interview with Rick Berman, you know that 
>straight men aren't the only people who watch the show. 

>	Jerome Donovan nwpel!jgd 708-224-2813

Ha!  I had a nagging suspicion that gay men enjoyed Watched STTNG
to see the men in those o'so tight uniforms.  I laughed my head
off reading this post Mr. Donovan.  

I can just imagine it:  "What's so wrong with Wesley.  Dammit if he
doesn't look good in that grey suit of his.  Ooww, ouch!."

Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase, "make it so."

So.  Any other gay men out there who watch this show.  I'd be very
interested in knowing what you think of it.  If yer not gay, do ya
know anyone who is who watches, and what do they think of it?

And what about gay women?  Any out there that watch the show?  I know
a lot of people who watch it (none of them gay) and each gets some-
thing differnet from it.  One person watches it cause he likes the
cool techie toys.  Another cause he likes Troi.  Another cause she
thinks Picard's a stud.  So I'd get a big kick outta knowing what
gay people think of the show when they watch it.

Disclaimer:  I am not gay!  But I make no judgements concerning
people who are.  Please, no boring remarks about "no fags allowed
to watch this show," or "Dykes suck."  Just reply if you know
anyone gay who watches StarTrek.

Thank you very much.

Regards,

Charles H. Kim

charlesk@sfu.ca
From: CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP000)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Mistake in Borg episode
Date: 29 Sep 92 04:25:35 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <1992Sep28.131035.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>IMHO "Locutus" is more of a title than a name.  It i                   s
>Latin, and means (approximately) "Speaker" or "Speaker For".  The Borg
>used this title for Picard because he was "speaking for" the Borg to the
>Federation, who they felt would not understand another form of communication.
>They probably got the word from Picard, who seems like the sort of man who
>would know Latin, since he seems to be interested in the Classics, and in
>Archaeology.  As to why they felt compelled to use Latin, not Federation
>Standard, I haven't got a clue!  Perhaps the Borg like dead languages.
>
>Kellie M-S
>internet::matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu

In that case why not use French? :)

Actually, I'd like to see that French=dead language remark retconned.
It creates too much ill will.

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From: cea1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Carolyn E. Adams-Price)
Subject: Picard/Riker
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:48:23 GMT

 With regard to Picard/Riker, the Ferengi, or even Wesley,
let's think about fun combinations from TOS or TNG that we'd
rather see for president than Bush/Quayle or (heaven forbid)
Quayle/Somebody else.  It doesn't matter if they were born in the
US or not since it's just for fun.
How about Spock/McCoy (as in I'm not a speller, I'm a vice 
presidential candidate)?
How about Q/Lwaxana?  (A powerful combination!!)
How about Beverly/Wes (The first mother/son team!!!)
How about Kirk/Troi (Satisfies the defense folks and the domestic
   policy folks)---or that could by Worf/Troi!!!

	Definitely partisan,

Carolyn ADams-Price
Department of Psychology 
Mississippi State-University
From: Susan_Schnitger@amicol.UUCP (Susan Schnitger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: TNG & "Iron John"?
Distribution: world
Date: 3 Oct 92 16:16:43 EDT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

In the October 5 Newsweek the cover story on "The Cultural Elite"
discusses how the various medias are inter-related and feed off
each others ideas.  In one of their examples they trace the spread
of the idea of a "men's movement" from Bly's work to "Iron John",
to Bill Moyer's, to "wild man" retreats, to magazine stories and
on into pop televsion shows.  The last sentence reads, "In the
fall of '91, the movement pops up on 'Murphy Brown' and 'Star
Trek--The Next Generation.'"
 
I don't remember that theme ever being dealt with.  Can anyone
point me at the episode which they are referring to?
 

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
From: odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: MOTP error?   <* Spoilers *>
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:07:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Oct6.230714.13121
Organization: The Stuffed Animal Trauma Team  (We're Trained Professionals)


  I wondered about this too, especially since I just saw "Unnatural Selection"
  again, wherein we see an aged Pulaski get into the transporter with grey
  hair and after a DNA filtering she has blonde hair again...  Would it not
  have still been grey until the new hair grew in?

  It's all guessing-games anyway, I suppose, seeing as how it's *fiction*, but
  I'm still curious.
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From: wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Will we have to pay to see Star Trek?
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:20:54 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

Since it seems relevant, here's what happened here in Ottawa, a
couple of years ago:

It used to be that our local CTV broadcast station, CJOH (Ch. 13, cable
7), would show ST:TNG saturday night at 7 (the 'regular' time).  This
was all fine and dandy, the station did a fairly good job of it,
and the picture quality (with or w/o cable) was very good.

Then, almost exactly a year ago a semi-local CBC affiliate, CHRO (Cable
6) was bought out by an owner of a number of CTV stations, and became
a CTV affiliate.  Now, CHRO is located about an hour or so out of
Ottawa, in Pembroke, and can't be picked up in Ottawa (unless you have
cable).  

When the station made the switch, it was allowed to select exclusive
rights to certain programs for the area, and one of their selections
was ST:TNG.  They started showing season 1-4 re-runs weekdays at 6:30
(pm), and new episodes at 7 on saturday (as usual).

This was generally a disaster for everyone, even considering that
they would be showing the older episodes.  People without cable
could no longer see ST:TNG at all, and even those of us who did had to
suffer bad picture quality, mono sound, and generally unprofessional
presentation.

The only other station showing ST:TNG was a Montreal station (on
cable, of course), which although it had stereo sound and generally
professional presentation, had normally lousy picture quality -
although it was frequently better than that of CHRO.


So there you have it.  We have to pay for Startrek, and although the
situation has gotten better (CHRO now has stereo, and acceptable (but
not good) picture quality), and I enjoy watching the older episodes, I
would say that there is noone I know who belives that this is a good
thing, net-net.  It has good for the cable companies, though - I know
several people who have subscribed just for ST.

Christopher Allen
(wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca)
From: pda@ecl.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Monday Night StarTrek
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:57:31 EDT
Organization: Engineering Computer Lab, Pennsylvania State University

Ok, stupid questions for anybody out here in Central Pennsylvania. Fox channel
8 shows two ST:TNG episodes every Monday night. Which one is the current one,
and where does the other come from?
  Paul
  PSU Aerospace Eng Dept.