From: bob@hobbes.dtcc.edu (Bob Rahe)
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Subject: Re: Why the "argument from Nature" matters
Date: 8 Jan 1993 03:23:47 GMT
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In article <1993Jan7.182825.4274@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:

>Evelyn C. Leeper  |  +1 908 957 2070  |  att!mtgzy!ecl or  ecl@mtgzy.att.com
>--
>"To make the point [that homosexuals hamper military effectiveness] I'd
>say that you would have to sift through your military history till you
>find an instance in which failure has been attributed to the presence
>of homosexuals on the losing side.  I'm not aware of any such case in
>the past 2500 years, but I'd be interested to hear what you find."
>-Nathan Engle

  I read this quote a few times, trying to figure out what it was that 
kinda made my head buzz, then I realized what it was.  Actually it was
two things that don't make any sense.  One is the connection between
'hampering military effectiveness' and failure (I assume that means losing
the war.)  I can't seem to find a rationale for that connection.  There
can be many measures of military effectiveness.  One might be casualties
per acre of ground captured, number of casualties inflicted on the other 
side, kills per dollar spent....  It would seem the premise that says
that the only measureable effect of hampered effectiveness is failure is
arguable at best, more likely just plain 'cute' but meaningless.

  The second would be to fill in any other kind of thing that might
"hamper military effectiveness" and see if that could be found in history.
I would consider things like poor bidding practices that might produce
$600 toilet seats but I don't thing you'll find that losing wars, nor
$500 hammers etc.  In fact only a few things actually lose wars, usually
poor tactics or numerical inferiority.  Somehow I don't thing those are
the only things that hamper military effectiveness tho.  

  Cute turn of phrase tho...  Cleverly done.

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In article <1993Jan7.182825.4274@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:

>Evelyn C. Leeper  |  +1 908 957 2070  |  att!mtgzy!ecl or  ecl@mtgzy.att.com
>--
>"To make the point [that homosexuals hamper military effectiveness] I'd
>say that you would have to sift through your military history till you
>find an instance in which failure has been attributed to the presence
>of homosexuals on the losing side.  I'm not aware of any such case in
>the past 2500 years, but I'd be interested to hear what you find."
>-Nathan Engle

  I read this quote a few times, trying to figure out what it was that 
kinda made my head buzz, then I realized what it was.  Actually it was
two things that don't make any sense.  One is the connection between
'hampering military effectiveness' and failure (I assume that means losing
the war.)  I can't seem to find a rationale for that connection.  There
can be many measures of military effectiveness.  One might be casualties
per acre of ground captured, number of casualties inflicted on the other 
side, kills per dollar spent....  It would seem the premise that says
that the only measureable effect of hampered effectiveness is failure is
arguable at best, more likely just plain 'cute' but meaningless.

  The second would be to fill in any other kind of thing that might
"hamper military effectiveness" and see if that could be found in history.
I would consider things like poor bidding practices that might produce
$600 toilet seats but I don't thing you'll find that losing wars, nor
$500 hammers etc.  In fact only a few things actually lose wars, usually
poor tactics or numerical inferiority.  Somehow I don't thing those are
the only things that hamper military effectiveness tho.  

  Cute turn of phrase tho...  Cleverly done.

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