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From: davids@gardener.lanl.gov (David G. Simmons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Hiding background field
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:55:20 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Originator: davids@feynman.lanl.gov


In article <1992Dec14.144607.12996@bsu-ucs>, 00sndavis@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
|> How can one hide a background field so that it doesn't show its text?
|> I don't want to paint white on every card foreground.
|> 
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> Scott Davis             | University |    Bitnet:00sndavis@bsuvax1
|> Ball State University   | Computing  |    Internet:00sndavis@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
|> Muncie, Indiana         | Services   |    America Online:Outatime
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> I do not speak for UCS, and they don't speak for me.

on foo
   hide bg fld <fld name, number or id>
end foo
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From: jpugh@apple.com (Jon Pugh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Initializing HC variables
Date: 19 Dec 92 20:03:29 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <7183@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu>, sekey@engrhub.ucsb.edu (Andrew Sekey)
wrote:
> 
> 
> 	Suppose we have an array of variables x1, x2, x3, etc, and we want to
> initialize them to zero, i.e. to set:
> 
> 	x1 = 0;  x2 = 0, ........xN = 0.
> 
> 	Can this be done in a "repeat" structure?
> 
> (What would be obvious in e.g. Fortran, does not work:
> 
> 	repeat with j = 0 to N
> 	    put 0 into x & j
>         end repeat
> 
> since even including a line  'put x & j into dummy', when followed by 
> 'put 0 into dummy', will only change 'dummy', not xj.)

This is an ideal use of the DO command.

repeat with i = 0 to n
  do "put 0 into x" & i
end repeat

This allows you to execute any string you can build as a Hypertalk command.
The only drawback is that it can't be compiled, but that's not much of a
penalty given the effeciency of Hypertalk's compiler.  ;)

Here's a help script I wrote to place the name of a field into the field
while saving its contents in a global.  This assumes the field names are
single words which are legal variable names.

repeat with i = 1 to number of flds
  do "global" && short name of fld i
  do "put fld" && i && "into" && short name of fld i
end repeat

-- and then to restore

repeat with i = 1 to number of flds
  do "global" && short name of fld i
  do "put" && short name of fld i && "into fld" && i
  do "put" && quote & quote && "into fld" && i
end repeat

Mind you, balloon help is better than this technique, but I think this
shows how to use the do command quite nicely.

Jon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Distribution: world
From: Michael_D._Murie@fourd.com
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:36:50 EST
Subject: Re: HIREZ Grphics in HCard? - NO

The title says it all..

Once it's on a card it's 72 dpi. You could print a PostScript file using an
XCMD, but you can't go through card graphics to do it.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
Subject: Hypercard 1.2.5 under 7.1?
Followup-To: poster
Organization: The Evil Fascist IRC Admins From Hell, Inc.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 04:08:22 GMT

The subject just about says it all. Will it work? I've got a few stacks
(games, mostly) that require to work under 1.x

I haven't installed 7.1 yet, so I haven't been able to test it for
myself. 

Thanks for any insight.

--Helen
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From: aaron@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Aaron Schrab)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Ok! It all has to do with this funny little microphone.
Date: 16 Dec 92 08:19:56 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu

In article <92350.103302PKELLY@UCF1VM.BITNET> Patrick J. Kelly <PKELLY@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:
>Hello!
>To be honest with you I am NOT a Mac person, I just dablle to get things
>to work, but now I'm in a no win situation.  Our office is/was using a
>combination of SuperCard and the MacRecorder (Farrallon R.I.P./Silicion
>Beach) in order to accept direct recording into a Project.  Now the new
>LC's and Powerbooks have these neat little microphones that are
>incompatible with the resources we were previously using.
>I'm in the process of purchasing The HyperCard Developers Kit to see
>if there is some way to get these Microphones to Record into an HC
>project.
>
>Question:  Has ANYONE had luck doing this?

            Yes, I find that it works great, HC will let you record sounds into
	    'snd ' resources in the stack. These resources can then be moved
	    with ResEdit or Sound Mover to wherever you want. I use HC this way
	    to record all of my sounds, and I record many  of them.

>           Is it even POSSIBLE to do?
            Yes.

>           What other purposes do the microphones serve?
            They can record sounds in the system 7 sound control panel,
	    be used with Voice Navigator SW, etc.
>
>Any questions, comments or ANSWERS would be highly appreciated!
>
>Patrick J. Kelly                 University of Central Florida
>Computer Lab Consulant           Instruction and Research Support
>pkelly@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu         Orlando, Florida
>              ... your troubles have just begun ...


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Distribution: world
From: Michael_D._Murie@fourd.com
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 10:15:20 EST
Subject: Re: QuickTime XCMD * where * ?

I don't think there are any public domain/freeware/shareware versions of XCMDs
around. Apple has a set of XCMDs, but they are only distributed on the
Developer CD-ROMS (or you can buy the QuickTime Developers Kit (CD-ROM) from
APDA.) Maybe they are on line from Apple?

Claris released QuickTime XCMDs as well (different from Apple's) but these are bundled with HyperCard when you *buy* it. You could/(can?) also call them and get an upgrade disk, which they were
selling for $10...
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From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Can I Find Card Number Within a Background?
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:46:46 +1300
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <18055@bcars664.bnr.ca>, wheeler@bcarh744.bnr.ca (Cheryl Wheeler) writes:
> ...I can't seem to find out the number of a particular card within its
> background. Is there a way, or am I forced to do something different?

Piecea cake! Try this:

	(the number of this card) - (the number of card 1 of this bg) + 1

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: Tom Benedict <tbenedic@halcyon.com>
Subject: RE:Determining Report Names from HCard
Originator: bbs@halcyon.com
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 23:11:59 GMT

>>tomo@ocf.berkeley.edu (Thomas C. O'Brien) asks:
>>Does anyone know how to get the names of existing reports from within
>>Hypercard?

Try using the reportTemplates property. It returns a return delimited 
list of all the report templates in the specified stack.
The syntax is:
     the reportTemplates of any_stack_name

Tom Benedict
From: jkc@Apple.COM (John Kevin Calhoun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Why Does HyperCard Invalidate An Entire Window?
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:44:39 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA


In article <8094@lib.tmc.edu> draper@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu (E.J. Draper)
writes:
>Why does HyperCard insist on invalidating my entire XWindow when the
>window is activated?
>
>Is there a way around this?

HyperCard 2.0, 2.0v2, and 2.1 have a bug that causes color external
windows in the document layer to be entirely invalidated (and
therefore redrawn) when they are brought to the front.  The bug and
the fix are known to Claris.  What's unknown is when a version of
HyperCard will ship that includes the fix.

Kevin Calhoun
jkc@apple.com

P.S.  Forgot to say that, as far as I know, there's no way around
the bug, other then to patch HyperCard's patch for BringToFront.
From: da003b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Vogon Poet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Changing tool on close palette?
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:45:59 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1g8d7tINNvd@calvin.usc.edu> alves@calvin.usc.edu (William Alves) writes:

>Here's the problem: I've created a paint tools palette because I would
>like the users of my stack to have access to paint tools without having
>access to the button tool and field tool on the HyperCard tools palette.
>However, I've run into a problem when the user selects a paint tool and
>then closes the palette. Now they have no way to get back to the browse
>tool (besides the somewhat awkward command-tab). They cannot click on
>any button to bring the paint palette back up, and I am not using the
>Mac menu bar for other reasons. Closing the palette does not send out
>any HyperCard message that I've been able to see. I finally thought of
>checking for the existence of the palette window within the idle loop,
>but idle messages are never sent when paint tools are chosen! Any sug-
>gestions? Thanks.

>Bill Alves

I would think that hypercard has some form of close palette message, but I
don't know offhand what it is.  I can't help you there, but I can help you
with your idle check.  There is an external called 'true-idle' availably
through anonymous ftp to sumex-aim.stanford.edu in /info-mac/card/x

It passes idle even when paint tools are selected.

Hope this helps,

Darrell.

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From: babb@sciences.sdsu.edu (J. Babb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Hi-liting a locked field
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:31:32 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Organization: SDSU - LARC
NNTP-Posting-Host: larc.sdsu.edu

I've got a field that changes fonts and is supposed to look like a
chalkboard (white letters on black) but I can't select it cause it's
locked. I don't want to unlock it, otherwise people will change its
content. When I "select cd fld chalkb" from a script, I get marching ants
(and the field tool goes active!!), but not selection like hitting the Tab
key will give me.
Anybody know a workaround or XCMD?
Jeff
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: jeffreyb@netcom.com (Jeff Budzinski)
Subject: Balloon Help for Hypercard stacks?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 10:47:13 GMT

Can someone tell me if it is possible to add balloon help to a stack 
that one is authoring?

Thanks,

jeffreyb@netcom.com
From: spw@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Steven P Wilkinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Still need help on ref'ing btn
Date: 16 Dec 1992 16:05:27 +0800
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniwa.uwa.edu.au
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5


Sorry about the series of empty posts. The university have now
fixed the problem.

A while ago I posted asking how to make reference to a cd btn
whose name was in fact a numeral. No one was able to help me.
I'll try to restate the problem.

I have several cd btns. One is cd btn id 2233, number 17 whose name 
is "23".  Another is cd btn id 5432, number 23 whose name is "test".

If I refer to cd btn "test" (its name) then hypercard assumes I mean
the btn with id=5432. So far so good.

Now if I refer to cd btn "23" (also its name) then unfortunately
hypercard assumes I am talking about the btn with id 5432 when in
fact I want to talk about the btn with id 2233 whose name is "23".

I really need to refer to these btns by NAME not by id or number
as I am building their names from the loop counter in a script
and there is no correlation between the name of the btn (which
just happens to be a numeric string) and the number of the btn.

What I really need is a hypertalk function which is the complement
of the "value" function but I can't find reference to this anywhere.

Thanks in advance

Steve
From: jkc@Apple.COM (John Kevin Calhoun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: HyperCard 2.1 and WorldScript
Date: 17 Dec 92 02:43:01 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA


In article <18556@mindlink.bc.ca> John_Miller@mindlink.bc.ca
(John Miller) writes:
>The postings about a new version [no, not the colour version :)]
>of HyperCard required for compatibility with System 7.1/WorldScript
>raises the question:  what are the incompatibilities between
>HyperCard 2.1 and 7.1?  Does anyone have any details?  I would
>be interested in incompatibilities that might affect normal
>user operations as well as anything that might apply to
>XCMDs localized to double-byte scripts such as Japanese.

First, the good news:  generally, you don't have anything to worry about
unless you install writing systems in a configuration that was previously
impossible.  For example, if your default writing system is Roman and one
of your secondary writing systems is Japanese, you'll have problems with
HyperCard's processing of Japanese text.  But if your default writing
system is Japanese and your secondary writing system is Roman, you won't
have any (new) problems.

Now, the complicated news:  here's the list of assumptions that HyperCard
2.1 makes about international system software that are all now problematic
under System 7.1 with WorldScript.

1) No more than two writing systems will be available on a machine at once.
2) If more than one writing system is available on a machine, the default
   writing system will not be Roman.
3) If special text characeristics, such as double-byte characters and
   bi-directional text, are supported by the system software, then they are
   supported by the default writing system only.
4) If the system software supports double-byte characters, then it's always
   necessary to scan all strings for double-byte characters.
5) When scanning strings for double-byte characters, it's always appropriate
   to use tables and routines provided by the default writing system.
6) If the preference setting in HyperCard's MLCB resource for using the
   internal replacement routines for TESetText and TECalText is true for
   the default writing system, then they're safe to use for all writing
   systems, even though they do not support bi-directional text.
7) Valid dates will be given or stored only in formats that are recognizable
   either in the default writing system or in Roman.
8) If the system software supports additional space characters (besides
   ascii $20), they will all be part of the default writing system.

Here's a list (possibly not exhaustive) of features that are implemented
in HC 2.1 with code that's based on one or more of these assumptions:

  String comparison, undo for typing runs, calculation of word breaks,
  counts of characters and words, evaluation of chunk expressions,
  drawing of fields, the keyDown message, the sort command, the find
  command, calculation of hash bits, conversion of dates between formats,
  "hot text", text pickup, backspacing over paint text, power keys.

Kevin Calhoun
jkc@apple.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: demerit@vms.macc.wisc.edu (J. DeMerit)
Subject: Re: Trapping the esc key?
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 14 DEC 92 12:18:26    

In article <SRO.92Dec12003338@media-lab.media.mit.edu>, sro@media.mit.edu (Shawn O'Donnell) writes...

>Hey Doug--
> 
>Maybe there's a more elegant way to intercept the escape key, but the
>following seems to work.  I've noticed that you have to go this route
>if you want to intercept certain of the non-character keys from the
>extended keyboard (like page-up or page-down, for example, despite the
>fact that they are really Cntl-K and Cntl-L.  A handler based on
>ControlKey won't work for those keys.  With escape, I this may be 
>the only option.)
> 
>On keydown key
>  if chartoNum(key) is not 27 then
>    pass keydown
>  end if
>end keydown
> 


You can also "set lockRecent to true" on idle.  It switches back to false on 
idle.  This is how the mini-cards are recorded and how the escape key retraces 
its path.  If nothing  in the path, you get it?  I think the on keyDown is 
more elegant and is what I would choose, but I thought this aspect worth 
mentioning.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: cccrs02a@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (archie course)
Subject: script to shutdown the mac??
Keywords: shutdown
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:36:23 GMT

Does anybody know how to shutdown the mac from within hypercard?
I want to write the script for a button which does the shutdown without leaving hypercard before.  
please send an answer as soon as possible!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: bcarter@claven.idbsu.edu (Bruce Carter)
Subject: Re: script to shutdown the mac??
Organization: Boise State University - CBI Product Development
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:43:41 GMT

In article <cccrs02a.724498583@brolga> cccrs02a@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (archie
course) writes:
>Does anybody know how to shutdown the mac from within hypercard?
>I want to write the script for a button which does the shutdown without
leaving hypercard before.  
>please send an answer as soon as possible!

There are XCMDs that purport to do this, but common wisdom has it that this is
an excellent way to corrupt a stack.  It might be wiser to let the Finder
handle this chore.

                                     <->
Bruce Carter, CBI Product Development                bcarter@claven.idbsu.edu
Simplot/Micron Instructional Technology Center       amccarte@idbsu (Bitnet)
Boise State University, Boise, ID  83725             (208)385-1851@phone
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Subject: Funny problems...
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
Distribution: boeing
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:20:51 GMT

I've been plagued for a long time by a series of mysterious glitches.

I'm using a Mac II 8/135, Rocket 25i and from one session to the next
I can get different effects for various things like the sound, programs
working/crashing...

The most recent problem might help illuminate what's wrong.  Using 
Adobe Photoshop to edit a 256 color PICT file, I was using the
paintbrush to brighten up an area of red pixels.

While I stroked the brush, I would periodically get a 3x20 (approx) vertical
stripe of random color.  At the time I was zoomed in 2x and when I went
back to the random color stripes I could click one pixle and the stripe
would disappear.

I assume that this indicates either a problem with the video memory or
the Rocket memory or the logic circuits that address the memory.

Anybody feel that this is familiar?

Thanks, Rick
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: WoldScript 1 Extension, Does it live?
From: wgentry@netlink.cts.com (William Gentry)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 09:04:34 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

bredell@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell) writes:

> Daniel_A._Chirkov@fourd.com wrote:
> : >>Do i have to buy this APPLE SYSTEM SOFTWARE?<<
> : I'm generaly annoyed about Apple's behavior with System 7.1 and World Scrip
> : and TrueType. Why can't they make it easier instead of more complex.
> 
> It seems it never occured to Apple that people outside a specific country
> could be interested in the script system of that country. That's why the
> japanese script is only available in Japan etc.
> 
> There are signs that Apple is going to change this policy, just give them
> time. Apple wanted to release system 7.1 when it was available, and at least
> I am grateful they didn't wait until all script systems was ready before they
> released system 7.1.
> 
> /Mats
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It appears that most of the scripts are done since they've been available 
on the developer CD for a couple of months. Hopefully Apple will release 
soon.

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From: bstp_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Ace of Space)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: sys 6.0.x
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:39:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

I am currently using system 6.0.5.  What are the changes/improvements that 
systems 6.0.7 and 6.0.8 have?

Brian Stamper
bstp_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
From: harrington@newton.apple.com (Tim Harrington)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: WANTED: utility to kick users off a shared volume
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:07:15 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Apple Computer

In article <1992Dec12.004308.2523@athena.mit.edu>, rajiv@athena.mit.edu
(Rajiv A Manglani) wrote:
> Just a bit of trivia: Nok Nok was originally written by the same guys who
> wrote AppleShare 3.0.

We did not write Nok Nok.

- Tim Harrington
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system