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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: From the Pages of Omni, Part II
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:09:51 GMT
Keywords: dalupaduaduduadladuap

In article <1993Jan25.214315.16892@ttinews.tti.com> hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:
>	 _
>	| |
>	|_|
>

As long as the cat's out of the bag, don't forget the "nil" answer, and
the 0/1.  Probably only one of these accepted and rationalized all sorts
of ways, and probably why 60% got it "wrong" or were "stumped".

GMS
From: jwp@chem.ucsd.edu (John Pierce)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:05:36 GMT
Organization: Chemistry Dept, UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: chedccf0.ucsd.edu

jlc5f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jean L. Cooper) writes:
 > Steve -- just a slight correction.  You are using the 20% as the number of
 > members who do not renew each year.  That number is actually closer to
 > 11-12%, and has actually gone down in the past two years.

Good heavens, Jean!  Introducing **facts** into a mensa argument?!?
What *are* you thinking about?

-- John Pierce, Chemistry, UC San Diego
   LocSec, San Diego Mensa
   jpierce@ucsd.edu
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From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Organization: The Cat Factory
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:06:50 GMT

In article <sfN2tei00XsH85Dm4c@andrew.cmu.edu> bluelobster+@CMU.EDU (David O Hunt) writes:
}>}... If we only
}>}want to break even, cut the glossy covers and such and publish
}>}at the level of the local pubs.  To me, information is what counts. ...
}>
}>I agree.  It would also be nice if the Bulletin were printed on recycled
}>and recyclable paper.
}
}Actually, I believe it is already!

Glossy paper is not recyclable.

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
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From: jcooley@miracle.com (John Cooley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 01:21:25 EDT
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

jlc5f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jean L. Cooper) writes:
>Steve--just a slight correction.  You are using the
>20% as the number of members who do not renew each year.
>That number is actually closer to 11-12%, and has actually
>gone down in the past two years.

JEAN!  PLEASE DON'T CLOUD THIS DISCUSSION WITH FACTS!  WE DON'T
WANT THOSE HERE!  THEY ONLY GET IN THE WAY!  THANK YOU!

                                              - mischivious John
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                                  "Hey, there, Brother!  Whatcha
    jcooley@miracle.com            doing with that Cosmic Debris?"  

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Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: The origin of `Mensa'.  A typo?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:39:52 -0500

hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:

 TP> The Mensa table (which, ironically, is square in our logo) represents the
 TP> round table nature of the organization,

                        .---------.
                        | |\(O)/| |
 Eh?  If you mean this: | |  |  | | then consider that the square thingy may
                        |    |    |
                        `---------'
be a table after all, but merely a border - perhaps the globe at the top could
be considered a round table.


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From: jones@sj.ate.slb.com (Clark Jones)
Subject: Re: Gay Mensans?
Organization: Schlumberger ATE, San Jose
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 19:55:55 GMT

Nico Veenkamp (nicolas@stam.nl) wrote:
: In <93023.144437MORIARTY@NDSUVM1.BITNET> <MORIARTY@NDSUVM1.BITNET> writes:
: >I betthat got your attention.  :-)  The title speaks for itself
: >so where do we go from here?
: 
: Do you mean to ask if there are gay mensans or if there are SIG's for 
: gay mensans or if there are gay mensans reading/posting in r.o.m?
: 

Well, he's obviously a newcomer to Mensa, and unaware that the two groups
that are noted for putting on the best A.G. "unofficial" Hospitality Suites
are Greater Phoenix Mensa and the GaySig.

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From: blevenso@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bryan D Levenson)
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:44:02 GMT

In article <22Jan93003605@miracle.com> jcooley@miracle.com (John Cooley) writes


>I'm more interested in getting this newsgroup to be more like Compu$erve's
>"Inside Mensa" forum.  Let's use this to discuss what's going on in the
>group nationally, etc. with all the politicking and such.

Sounds like a great idea to me!

>(I personally ignore almost all the posts dealing with IQ, IQ tests and the
>likes because after a while, I just don't care.   What's more fun for me is to
 discuss what going on in Mensa as a social organization.)

Most of the time the discussions about IQ tests get boring.  It's not the 
facts/pseudofacts that get thrown into the hopper, it's the egos that do. d8)

> Instead, let's have some fun and liven up this newsgroup!

That's why I'm here! Bum Ba Ba Bum! Meet one of Columbus Mensa's members - me!
That's right folks - I found Compu$erve's forum and now I've found yours!
HA HA HA HAAA! IT`S PARTY TIME! (Egos must be checked at the door. Sorry.)

                    Bryan D Levenson
                         (blevenso@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
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From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney)
Subject: Re: Blasphemy?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:36:00 GMT

159muehlberg@gw.wmich.edu writes:

>Help!  Who is Scott Tai? (this may be sacrilege, this may be humor....)

A coward, too chicken to post his criticisms under his/her/its real name,
posting under a variety of aliases instead.  Scott Tai, Dr. N O Tai,
Robin Adler-Pope are some of them.

-Mike
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: ecsd@well.sf.ca.us (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: A newcomer...
Organization: The Great Beast 666
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 12:51:21 GMT

skh4161@mvs.draper.com (Kjeld Hvatum) writes:
>
>> MJE> I don't think anyone has been archiving rec.org.mensa.   That is an
>> MJE> idea whose time has not yet come.  (The idea of preserving Scott Tai
>> MJE> and flames back and forth for all posterity is somewhat disturbing.)
>>
>>How apropos, preserving a horse's posterior for posterity....
>
>...fecund material for retention in the annals of posterity...
>...his seminal work is a stroke of genius...

God. And I thought you didn't have a sense of humor. Very Good.
{laughs a lot.}
-ecsd
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From: nicolas@stam.nl (Nico Veenkamp)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Gay Mensans?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 14:49:30 +0100
Organization: Stam Tijdschriften bv, Rijswijk, The Netherlands

In <93023.144437MORIARTY@NDSUVM1.BITNET> <MORIARTY@NDSUVM1.BITNET> writes:
>I betthat got your attention.  :-)  The title speaks for itself
>so where do we go from here?

Do you mean to ask if there are gay mensans or if there are SIG's for 
gay mensans or if there are gay mensans reading/posting in r.o.m?


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From: johnson@sleipnir.pb.wes.mot.com (Mark Johnson)
Subject: Quantification (was: Re: Jealousy (from the pages of omni....))
Reply-To: johnson@wes.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Wireless Enterprises, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:24:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.195147.23908@eagercon.com>, eager@eagercon.com (Michael J. Eager) writes:
=)In article Dnv@cs.dal.ca, kumar@ug.cs.dal.ca (kumar yelubandi) writes:
=)
=)>	All I said was the intelligence of MENSAns is upper-bounded
=)>	by the intelligence of their highest-scoring member 
=)
=)The IQ of non-Mensans is not bounded?  While the IQ of Mensans is bounded?
=)To use your own very odd logic, the IQ of both groups is 'bounded' by the
=)IQ of the highest-scoring member.   If you want to claim that not knowing 
=)your IQ means that it is unbounded, then you have a problem.  What it is
=)is unmeasured, not unbounded.
=)
Just FYI, there actually is a thaumaturgical principle invoked here, which
is that the quantification of a thing, symbolic or actual, places a
corresponding ontological limitation on it.  This is one of the reasons
God refused to name himself to men.  It is somewhat analogous to the
uncertainty principle, when the latter is interpreted in the modern sense
as indicating that the system doesn't actually have a distinct value
until measured.

Whether you believe this or not is up to you, but it seemed that the
point needed clarification.
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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:52:27 GMT

In article <mike_steiner-200193170626@192.35.50.131> mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
>In article <8fLE_F600XsF45p1MJ@andrew.cmu.edu>, bluelobster+@CMU.EDU (David
>O Hunt) wrote:
>> 
>> I agree that AMC meetings should be at RGs as much as possible, so that
>> those in it can have as much contact as possible with us "regular folk".
>
>[hotel and price discussion omitted]
> 
>> I've heard rumors that the new Bulletin editor's bid was several thousand
>> dollars HIGHER than the previous editor's.  I hope that the last issue was
>> only off because of the transition - I'm reserving judgement - but if it
>> continues then I'm going to SERIOUSLY question the wisdom of taking a
>> higher bid to get a less professional magazine.
>
>According to reports from members of the AMC on Compuserve, the four
>bidders that were under consideration after the first cut were within a
>thousand bucks of each other, and Kent's bid was not the lowest.
>

IMHO, Kent's bid could have been the highest by a long shot, but
that's a subjective opinion based upon his writing skills and 
improvement of the Bulletin.  That is, I think he was the best editor
so far, and I am reserving judgement on the current one chosen for
"fundraising skills".  If Mensa is supposed to be a profit-making
venture, I'm not interested unless I can own stock.  If we only 
want to break even, cut the glossy covers and such and publish
at the level of the local pubs.  To me, information is what counts.
Again, only personal opinion.

GM("Too Subtle")S
From: seghers@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (David Seghers)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:34:35 GMT
Subject: The Nine Dots Problem
Organization: HP Response Center Lab
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa

I got a lot more email about the "Nine Dots" problem than I expected!
It turns out that quite a few were willing to admit that they hadn't
heard of this puzzle, and that means there are probably a bunch who 
haven't seen this one.  

This problem was originally published by James L. Adams in his 
excellent book "Conceptual Blockbusting."

Rules:  Connect all nine dots with four or less straight lines
	without lifting your pen. (You know, writing implement! 
	Use blood or graphite if you choose.)


		    *      *      *


		    *      *      *


		    *      *      *


OK,  have fun, and I will post the answer in a few days.

Best Regards,

David Seghers (seghers@hpcc01.HP.COM) 415-691-3730

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From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:13:29 GMT
Followup-To: rec.org.mensa

In article <25Jan93163945@miracle.com>, jcooley@miracle.com (John Cooley)
wrote:

> What do you think of National's way of maintaining the old boy network
> with the "Nominating Committee" deciding for us exactly who is qualified
> for what office at what time?
> 
> In the "home of Freedom" (America) it seems so ironic to be having such
> Soviet style of governing....   (The Central Committee has decided that
> the following candidates are now qualified for the following positions.
> (Usually ONE candidate per position!)  For example, out of the 50,000 or
> so members in American Mensa, it appears that Dave Remine was the ONLY
> person qualified to be our next president -- or that's at least what the
> Nom Com's report leads one to believe in Interloc!)

How does the nomcom really differ from a political nominating convention
(such as the one that nominated Bill Clinton as the Democratic Party
candidate)?  The NomComs report said that Remine was, in their (not
unanimous) opinion, the best candidate from among those who told the
nominating committee that they wanted to run for the office.  They did not
say that he was the only person in Mensa who was qualified.  The nomcomm
serves a useful purpose, IMO.

However, I do have a few problems with the nomcomm procedure; my biggest
objection is that that some people think that the nomcomm candidate should
automatically be elected.  Four years ago, I was ready to vote for Art
Matson and not for Ralph Rudolph.  However, when, within a one-month span,
both Matson and Ted Elzinga (in an editorial in Interloc) wrote that we
should vote for Matson because he was the nomcomm nominee, I decided to
vote for Rudolph.  I had a letter printed in both Interloc (*after* the
election, even though it was received in time to have been printed before
the election) and The Insomniac saying that if the only reason that Matson
and Elzinga could come up with to vote for Matson was that he was the
nomcomm candidate, then in my opinion, he wasn't qualified for the office.

I guess that I should say that I've been on a national nomcomm--a region 9
regional representative six years ago.  One thing that I can tell you is
that no candidate received unanimous support for any contested position.

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From: jcooley@miracle.com (John Cooley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado (was Membership Renewal ??)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 15:28:27 EDT
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

nick@nord.tostit.ca (Nicholas Xavier Tai) writes:

>With all the talk of boycotting Colorado,
>and the banning of homosexual activity there in
>Amendment 2, I thought up an intriuging sidebar to
>this conversation.
>
>If homosexuals are supposedly banned in Colorado, and
>President Clinton lifts the ban on homosexuals in the 
>military, will there be a subsequent ban on the military
>in Colorado.  I know the logic doesn't follow, but how
>is Colorado going to work their way around the of an
>Executive Order?   Is there precedence for such as case
>happening?  Or is it going to become a Supreme Court issue
>ala The Abortion Issue, leaving up to each states legislation.
>
>Any thoughts on this?


Although I usually don't like to even acknowledge people posting
from aliases, there's no conflict here.  Clinton's lifting the
ban on gays in the military only effects military installations - not
local governments.  The converse is also true - the 50 year ban on
homosexuals in the military doesn't mean that in each U.S. state that
has a US military prescence has a ban on homosexuals in it's state
and local governments.

It's the Fed that decides military policy -- the state and local governments
have no jurisdiction over what goes on in the military or it's installations.
(That's why there are separate military police, code of justice (if you can
call it that) and separate environmental protection rules (none) as compared
to the state where the military post is.)

-John

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       John Cooley              Zappa as a waste management engineer: 
                                  "Hey, there, Brother!  Whatcha
    jcooley@miracle.com            doing with that Cosmic Debris?"  

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From: matt@severian.chi.il.us (Matt Crawford)
Subject: Re: Amendment 2 (Was: Re: Membership Renewal ??)
Organization: The Chrome Plated Megaphone of Destiny
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:18:16 GMT

> platinum@montage.UUCP (Doug Swallow) writes:
> >There's is no other effect of this amendment except to PROVIDE THE
> >RIGHT TO DISCRIMINATE BASED ON SEXUAL ORIENTATION.
> 

In article <wiegand.727987724@lido16> motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net writes:
> I just couldn't let this pass.
> 
> Just because *you* can't think of other any reason to support Amendment 2
> doesn't mean that someone else can't. 

I just couldn't let *this* pass.

Just because *you*, Robert Wiegand, can't see the logic leading from
the text of the ammendment to Doug's conclusion doesn't mean that
nobody else can.  Either show some other reason to support Amendment
2 or admit that you are verbally masturbating at your terminal.
__________________________________________________________
Matt Crawford       matt@severian.chi.il.us       Java Man
From: ken@nate.UUCP (Ken Gacioch)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: MARITIME PROCTOR??
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:44:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: nate.2941
Reply-To: nate!ken@cs.rit.edu
Organization: HealthChex, Inc.

In article <26JAN93.21386893.0182@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> D237@UNB.CA (JENNIFER) writes:
>Can anyone tell me where the closest test proctor to me would be?
>I live in Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada.
>Thanks.

Call or write Mensa Canada (contact info in FAQ).  They'll tell you.

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   |   Ken Gacioch                    |  Certainly the game is rigged.    |
   |   nate!ken@cs.rit.edu            |  Don't let that stop you;         |
   |                                  |  if you don't bet, you can't win. |
   |                                  |                 - Lazarus Long    |
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From: Linda.Cunningham@p811.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Linda Cunningham)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado (was Re: Membership Renewal ??)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:14:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.202002.24068@eagercon.com> eager@eagercon.com writes:
>In article 7400@cbnewse.cb.att.com, gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
>>
>>This is the basic problem.  Discrimination is said to be illegal, and at the
>>same time, Affirmative Action itself must, by its very nature, discriminate.
>
>Here we go again.  Discrimination is an action done to an individual.  Affirmative
>Action is a program designed to enable a class (or more than one class) to obtain
>equal opportunity.   I don't see AA as discrimination.
>
>[Much stuff deleted protesting Affirmative Action]
>

In all fairness, Mike, you either didn't read or didn't understand 
my post.  Further, your opinion is very subjective.

>>There are those that say that an individual's value should be based
>>upon what they can do, and not what race or religion or sexual preference
>>they are.  But clearly, there are laws that claim otherwise.
>
>What laws?

As I said above.

>2)  There is no implication of 'guilt' or 'innocence' implied in a boycott.

I can't address what I cannot find logic in, so I can't say much about
what else you've posted here, which is disappointing.  But the above
statement implies that you condone actions which harm individuals
without establishing guilt or innocence, and that is precisely what
my post was about.

>3)  It is very effective to apply economic pressure which in turn will be
>    applied to the legislature.
>4)  It is difficult to attribute a business failure to one specific cause.
>
>Your argument can be applied to any and every situation as a reason for not
>doing anything.  I expect that you only apply it in the areas where you 
>disagree with the issue, and not in those areas where you agree.  Seems like

You are wrong and presumptuous.  I recommend you reread my post and give
it some thought.  Quite frankly, I'm surprised at this coming from you.
Bad day?

>a week argument in that case.
>
>>Who has that simple, common-sense, Absolute Answer to the Boycott
>>issue? 
>
>Well, your "answer" is to ignore Colorado and Amendment 2.  You seem the only
>one looking for an Absolute Answer.

Which is a shame, but apparently true in our two cases.

GMS
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Organization: The Cat Factory
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:33:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.125452.23244@ryn.mro4.dec.com> shapiro@cfsctc.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro) writes:
}In article <1993Jan19.205357.16959@ttinews.tti.com>, hollombe@polymath.tti.com
}(The Polymath) writes...

A final attempt at clarification, then I'm abandoning this thread.

}>You missed my point.  I, for one, _didn't_ join Mensa out of "... a need
}>or desire for belonging to a group."  My reasons at the time were entirely
}>other (and none of your business).  That's why I took exception to your
}>all-inclusive "we."  Speak for yourself.
}
}... Sounds to me like you are in denial.

I hate amateur psychologists.  (Nothing personal.  I hate all of them).

}Your 'secret' reasons are irrelevant. Your actions are relevant. You joined a
}group. Period. You therefore felt a reason, need or desire to become a member
}of that group. 

There's a very important difference between your last statement and the
one I originally responded to.  Yes, I had a _reason_ for joining _that_
group, _not_ a need or desire to belong to _a_ group.  I hope the
distinction isn't lost on you.

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                "If you can't stand solitude,
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