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From: ongsakul@ee.tamu.edu (Ongsakul Weerakorn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: whatif....
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:06:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamsun.1992Nov11.200630.11453
Organization: Texas A&M University

lein@cat.uucp (John Leinaweaver) writes:

>What if Miami loses leaving Alabama and Texas A&M the only undefeated
>teams in the cartel.  Would they be allowed to play each other
>someplace?
>
>John L

If this scenario happens, it is not possible for them to play each other
for a national champion.  SWC and SEC champion is locked to the Cotton
and Sugar bowl respectively. 

Ong
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From: bdf@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (blaine.d.fischer)
Subject: Bowl Alliance today
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:54:52 GMT

If the end of the season were today, what bowl games would be
played as dictated by the bowl alliance. Is the only guaranteed
matchup #1 vs #2. Could Miami play for the MNC in its home
stadium (yet again).

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From: stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen)
Subject: CFPOOL: Week #11 Entry
Organization: The Lion's Den, San Jose
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:52:45 GMT

Game list for 11/14 (18 games):
$
	Arizona at Southern Cal
	Baylor at Rice
	Brigham Young at Air Force
	California at Arizona State
	Colorado at Kansas
	Hawaii at San Diego State
	Kentucky at Cincinnati
	Louisville at Pittsburgh
	Northern Illinois at Army
	Ohio State at Indiana
	Penn State at Notre Dame
	Purdue at Michigan State
	Syracuse at Boston College
	Tennessee at Memphis State
	Wake Forest at Georgia Tech
	Washington State at Stanford
	West Virginia at Rutgers
	Wyoming at Utah

Reminders:	Don't forget to order your predictions by 'confidence.'
		A recap sheet is sent to those entered by Wednesday (10/11).
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From: gt38091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Greg )
Subject: Re: How did the Illini choke?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:26:49 GMT

I can't believe you guys are still talking about this.   It's time for a 
reality check fellas:  Illinois is a WEAK team in a VERY WEAK conference!

I'm an Illini fan, but I'm also a realist.

Greg
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From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: Luck in College Football
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:32:53 GMT

There has been a lot of talk on the net about the Hurricanes and
their incredible LUCK this season, all the games they should
have lost etc.

I'm a little confused.  When exactly is something that happens
luck and when isn't it.  If those two missed field goals that
prevented a tie and a loss was just Canes luck, was everything
else they did also a bunch of luck?

Let's give these guys the credit they deserve (and every 
other winning team for that matter).

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From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr)
Subject: Re: Is this really true?
Keywords: Bowl game,Pulan Weedeater Bowl
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 13:44:58 GMT

In article <Bx9zxA.C9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sas37147@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott A. Splater) writes:
>But is there really a Pulan Weedeater Bowl for NCAA Division I teams?

Yep.  There is such an animal and it started either last year or a few 
years ago.

Dave
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From: mujtaba@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (mujtaba)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: TCU 23 - TEXAS 14
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:51:01 GMT
Reply-To: mujtaba@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (mujtaba)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: mujtaba@happy.cc.utexas.edu

a
Well folks the unbelivable happened. TCU ended a 25 game losing streak against
the LONGHORNS. I watched the entire game in utter frustration, hopng the the vaunted LONGHORN offense would come up with a big play. But alas, how disappointed
I was at the end. It was clear from the beginning that the team ws not mitivatedat all. Ourt offensive line seemed like butter through which the TCU defense wasable to  go through like a hot knife. Gardere was sacked 7 times. And the running game was totally stopped. 16 of the 23 TCU points came of TEXAS turnovers. 
The offense seemed worse than last year's. The only positive thing that came outof this game was that the TEXAS defense had its first game under pressure and I
must say, that they performed reasonably well.
I really feel sorry for the TEXAS team, 5 weeks of hard work went down the drainin a few hours of unmotivated and uninspired playing by TEXAS. Until the start 
of the game a TEXAS victory seemed almost assured, maybe thats why we lost.
Maybe its the overconfidence killed us.
There is an interesting fact about John Mackovic coached teams that I read about in a football magazine a few months ago. His teams almost always seem to have aslump or letdown somewhere near the middle of the seson. As an example it pointed out that while at Illinios, his teams had a 4-0 record against ranked and 
pretty good Ohio State teams, but were 0-4 against not so good Michigan St
teams. So, maybe TCU is to TEXAS what Michigan St was to his Illinios teams.
By now it would seen that I attribute our loss more to the fact that TEXAS
played poorly, rather than the fact that TCU played well. While that may be
the case, there can be absolutely no doubt that on that particulat Saturday,

TCU, was definately the better team. And outplayed TEXAs in every department
from the first kick-off. Congrats to TCU on a well played and well deserved
victory.


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From: tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson)
Subject: Re: MS State, Florida, Bama
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:49:34 GMT

davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:

>In article <cls4.721322494@Isis.MsState.Edu> cls4@ra.msstate.edu (Charles L. Spirrison) writes:
>>
>>
>>A. On October 1, the Mississippi State Bulldogs POUNDED the Florida Gators.
>>   ... it wasn't even close.  Shane was simply rattled by the defense.
>>B. Mississippi State is currently 7-2.  The Gators are 6-2.
>>C. Florida is ranked 13 by USA Today/CNN, 11 in the AP.
>>D. Mississippi State is ranked 16 in each poll.
>>
>>  .... something is wrong here
>>

>Depends on how you look at it.  Florida is currently 6-2.  Their two losses
>came AT Tennessee (AP #23), and AT Miss. St (AP #16).  They have wins over
>Auburn and Georgia (AP # 12), as well as Southern Miss.

>Mississippi State is 7-2, but their losses came AT LSU (that's the 1-8 LSU
>team mind you), where they lost by 21 points, and AT South Carolina (that's
>a what, 3-6 team???), where they lost by 15.   They have wins AT Texas, 

This reminds me of some of the years when Jackie was at A&M.  I seem to
remember some loses to lowly teams when they shouldn't have.

Todd
tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu


>vs. Florida (AP #13), and AT Memphis State.  

>Looks like Mississippi has 1 win over a top 20 team, #13 Florida
>Looks like Florida has 1 win over a top 20 team, #12 Georgia.

>The big difference is in the losses.  Florida lost AT Tennessee and AT
>Mississippi State, two top 25 teams, and both on the road.    Mississippi
>State has bad losses to LSU and S. Carolina, two teams that are something
>like 2-14 without the wins over Miss. State.  The two losses hurt them  quite
>a bit.  COnsidering those losses, I would say they are lucky to
>be ranked as high as they are
>Auburn, 
>>Also, it'll be interesting to see what happens as Bulldogs take on Bama.  
>>Logic dictates a 'Bama victory - but Jackie's troops play very well when
>>cast as underdogs (esp. at home).  -  My guess:  Offense is the key for
>>State.  QB Plump (or his sub) must have a good game.  A number of completions
>>will be needed to keep the Alabama defense honest, and to insure a productive
>>running game.  State's defense is good enough to keep the Alabama scoring down
>>PROVIDED that the defense isn't on the field much over half of the game.
>>The Bulldogs can win this game (with a little luck).  Maybe THEN they'll be
>>ranked over Florida!
>>
>>cls4@ra.msstate.edu               GO BULLDOGS!
>>


>-- 
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>VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
>uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
>davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"
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Subject: Re: Big 8 woof
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:03:02 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
 <1992Nov9.132952@mccall.com><BxHsE6.2FD@news.iastate.edu> <1992Nov10.075245@mccall.com> <JOHNDOE92Nov10.123950@samadams.inmet>
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <JOHNDOE92Nov10.123950@samadams.inmet>, johndoe@samadams.inmet (johndoe) writes:
>what does all of this say about the upcoming game in lawrence(sp?)?  i think
>if cu can hold on to the ball, their defense will frustrate ku; if they can
>run a little more like they did against osu, then they will be able to move
>the ball better than ku was able to do.  if they can't run (and you know
>they will try after the debacle in lincoln), they still may be able to pass
>against the ku secondary; this was not an aspect of the jayhawks' game that
>was severely tested against the huskers.
>
Unless, CU has done something different from their running game in
the past 2games, I don't expect the ground game to amount to much
vs KU.  Not sure about KU's secondary vs CU's Recs.  If CU can hang
onto the ball, then I would predict them to win.  If they turn it
over more than 2 or 3 times, KU will win.
>
>one final note:  from the lists of players you showed not returning next
>year, it looks as though cu should be in some exciting tilts next year:
>they apparently get to keep much of their offense, while losing some of the
>best players from defense.
>
I haven't really looked at who is leaving.  CU seems to have the
least amount gone.  While KU seems to have the most leaving.
But, I'll worry about all this next summer.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Bowl Options 
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:05:56 GMT

>Cliff Slaughterbeck writes:

>Here's an interesting scenario which could happen still. 
>That would leave Washington as Bowl Coalition material. Miami would still
>probably meet either Alabama or Texas A&M if one of those teams remains
>undefeated.  Should they falter (or the Canes drop a game to Syracuse),
>it would really leave open a Miami - UW Fiesta Bowl matchup (although it
>wouldn't by any stretch be for the MNC from UW's point of view).

Cliff you're getting so nice I'm starting to like you !   ;-)

But the real question is - do you know when the UDub-Miami series is
going to be played ?

Justin Frederich
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From: nichols@spss.com (David Nichols)
Subject: Re: SEC East shoots itself in the foot
Organization: SPSS Inc.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:48:42 GMT

In article <398@rd1.interlan.com> tonyf@rm1.interlan.com (Tony Fernandez) writes:
>I don't think that Alabama and the rest of the SEC schools just refuse to
>play Miami.  They refuse to play anyone good outside the Southeast.
>What more evidence do you need than just the fact that with very few
>exceptions (LSU-Texas A&M, Florida-FSU), SEC schools play very weak out
>of conference schedules.

Would you care to explain Alabama's home and home series with Penn State
and Notre Dame, or Auburn's with Florida State? I know Tennessee was
playing Colorado (I don't know if they played them at home, but they did
on the road), and also had a home and home with Notre Dame. I'd be
willing to bet that any team in the SEC would love to have a home and
home with Michigan, but they won't get it, because Michigan is the
true national chicken when it comes to playing nonconference opponents
on the road (they will play Notre Dame because otherwise they won't get
the series, and they'll play PAC-10 schools that way because of the
conference relationship, but no one else). Many of the schools that SEC
teams play home and homes with are not known outside of that area but
are very tough anyway; Southern Mississippi is the big one, and East
Carolina also comes to mind.

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 Phone: (312) 329-3684     Internet:  nichols@spss.com     Fax: (312) 329-3657
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: IAA top 20
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 1992 08:31:01 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Distribution: na
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Nntp-Posting-User: scott


1N.Iowa
2Idaho
3Citadel-NELa(tie)
5Marshall
6Delaware
7MidTennSt
8Samford
9YoungstownSt
10FlorA&M
11Villanova
12SWMissouriSt
13Richmond
14McNeeseSt
15E.Kentucky
16GeorgiaS-Will&Mary(tie)
18E.Wash
19NCA&T
20UMass

Keep it going UNI Panthers!!
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Re: RU assistant coach arrested
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:31:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.141411.6332@walter.bellcore.com> lein@catty.uucp (John Leinaweaver) writes:
> 
> I don't recall anyone stating he was guilty, only arrested (if being towed to 
> the police station in cuffs and booked is what they call being arrested).

> one can remember a few Rutgerites calling PSU players guilty before any
> trial and conviction - but no, there are no double standards on the net.

I have a feeling this may refer to me.  And I agree.  Let's get rid
of double standards.  Remember, I criticized _Joe Paterno_ for dragging
his feet on the players who looted some apartments.

Now, to get to the RU incident, Rutgers' Athletic Director
Fred Grunninger dragged his feet on announcing the Arnold Jeter arrest.
I think Grunninger should be fired for his indecisiveness on this matter.
Does he understand the gravity of the situation and how it reflects
on the university?  Did he think the arrest would go unnoticed??
Arnold Jeter will not return to Rutgers, at least not this year.
Recruiting contingency plans for his absence are being prepared.  Quick
action on Code of Conduct matters are vital if the Code of Conduct is
not a sham.  Jeter left his association with Rutgers following the arrest;
the PSU players were allowed to practice with the team following their
arrest, for one day.  Then they were suspended.

What should be done in Paterno's case?  Laud him for eventually
taking some action?  Remember; no double standards.



> Cincinatti 26, Rutgers 24

The unkindest cut of all.
And by how many points did PSU crush Cincinnati?

> 
> 
> John L



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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Lee Corso's latest prediction
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:38:13 CST

In article <1deb79INNdph@crcnis1.unl.edu> mcdowell@hoss.unl.edu (Scott McDowell) writes:
>In <1992Nov6.165646.6772@u.washington.edu> tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>
>>For those of you who missed it, Lee Corso last night predicted that ... 
>
>>And it looked like he really pissed off Tom Osborne.
>can someone fill us in on the details?

Too bad.  Lee deserves to get even after the way Osborne crushed his IU
team something like 69-0 a long time ago... :^)
-- 

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From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Open Question to Miami fans
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:28:31 GMT

News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <1992Nov11.132751.4957@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@okeefe.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:


| I'd like to hear some opinions from loyal Canes fans out there. 
| 
| If Alabama stumbles and the rest of the top ten remains the same, do
| you think the Mighty Canes will play an undefeated Texas A&M team
| in the Cotton Bowl or, "chicken out" and play a once beaten Cornhusker
| team in their home stadium?
| 
| 		- inquiring minds want to know
| 
| 			rob

No, I think the Canes will go to the Cotton.  

It does look like Notre Dame is chicken to play in the Orange Bowl,
even if the Hurricanes are out of town.  The OBC leaked a rumor to the
local press on Sunday Night that Notre Dame doesn't want to come to the
Orange Bowl.   Since the leprechauns always get their way, like last 
year in the Sugar look for Notre Dame to go to The Fiesta where they
can hand pick the opponent.



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From: confused@cwis.unomaha.edu (stephen richard smith)
Subject: NEBRASKA
Summary: NEBRASKA IS BACK
Keywords: NEBRASKA FOOTBALL
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 02:15:08 GMT



  Nebraska IS BACK at the time of this writing it is 35 - 7 against KU
#16 Tom and his team is doing the same thing to KU as they did to Colorado
only difference is that the Kansas coaches and team members are not pouting 
and crying. Once again Nebraska fans are treating the KU fans with respect
-something miami and CU need to learn about.You always are treated well when
you come to our house
     TO all the nay-sayers Osborne has the pass offense pegged-much of what you saw 
against CU is brand new. NU also is sporting one of the most sought after
QBs' in the country -true freshman Tommie Frazier who is along with Jones and
Brown destroying anything the opponents try to use to stop them.
  my prediction for this year-- Nebraska # 2 or 3 next year??? LOKK OUT
Miami We want you worse than those snots in colorado. Watch the films
and get ready if you can.

I am trying not to gloat really I am
I will not gloat..I will not gloat..I will not gloat.. I will not gloat
Ah the hell with it GO CORNHUSKERS PUT SLAP THESE PUNKS BACK INTO THEIR
PLACE   TOM IS THE WIZARD PERIOD END OF STORY..........................
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Subject: Re: Stanford 23, U$C 9 (includes marching band stuff)
From: jbs@cs.arizona.edu (John B. Slankas)
Date: 9 Nov 92 06:15:10 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <aelman.721269258@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman) writes:
>Oh well.  Fun was had by all, particularly with the announcements of
>the "USC Band Stats" during halftime.  I never saw a final tally, but
>at halftime they had done Conquest 25 times, Fight On 19 times, some
>other random song 6 times, and (the announcement that got our crowd cheering)
>had played immediately after a USC score 0 times. :-)
>
>Seriously -- why is it that the USC Band plays the same music over and
>over again?  It's not just Conquest and Fight On (although those are
>pretty bad) -- I heard them playing the same song they played for
>either pregame or halftime during the third or fourth quarter.  Most
>college bands I know of try to vary our song selection a bit, except
>for the fight song(s), which are generally only played in their
>entirety after scores.  You will rarely, for instance, hear the
>Stanford Band play the same song twice from the pregame rallies to
>the postgame tailgaters, again except for our fight songs.
>
Its too annoy the living hell out of the opposing team and their fans.  I
beleive their coach even orders the band to play it as much as possible.
I hate the USC band more than just about anything (except Miami) having
had to lessen to them more times than I care to count (live and on TV).

Notre Dame's band even wrote a song like Conquest to play while USC's 
band was playing it.  Unfortunately, they chose to unveil it at last
years ND vs USC game and it bombed miserably. They dropped it after
playing it once and just decided the play THE Fight Song whenever USC
started playing Conquest. (The only other cheer I've seen bomb badly
at Notre Dame was  "Gold  Blue" when we played Michigan this year.  It
sounds too much like "Go Blue".)

At least USC's band doesn't play while the game is actually in progress,
unlike Arizona's. (It shows a lack of respect for the game itself.)

John Slankas
Notre Dame '92


From: privat@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Jim Privat)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:10:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Apple Cup (was Re: Washington vs. Arizona)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server