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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: SWIMFINAL: Result-W's 100m Butterfly
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:38:46 GMT

SWIMMING - Women's 100m Butterfly FINAL
=======================================
 
World Record		57.93
Olympic Record		59.00

 
Gold	HONG, Qian			CHN	  58.62		New OR
Silver	AHMANN-LEIGHTON, Christine	USA	  58.74
Bronze	PLEWINSKI, Catherine		FRA	  59.01
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4	XIAOHONG, Wang			CHN	?
5	O'NEILL, Susan			AUS	  59.69
6	SANDERS, Summer			USA
7	VAN ALMSICK, Franziska		GER	?
8	SHITO, Rie			JPN	?
 

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From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Best Quartet (was Re: Michael Johnson 1600m relay?)
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:35:10 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL


In article <MHEISKAN.92Jul29224349@vipunen.hut.fi> mheiskan@.vipunen.hut.fi writes:
>In the Paris games Paavo Nurmi won first gold on 1500m, then one hour later
>gold on 5000m.

In Montreal, in 1976, Kornelia Ender (the most successful member of the
phenomenally successful East German women's swim team that year) won
two individual gold medals within 20 minutes of each other.

Ed
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From: pdimsosk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pero Dimsoski)
Subject: Re: Macedonian athletes to compete at Barcelona, Spain.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:49:48 GMT

In article <rsakella.711748227@p4.cs.man.ac.uk> rsakella@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Rizos Sakellariou) writes:
>shopov@ee.su.oz.au (Sacha Shopov) writes:
>
>>"For the First time in Olympic History:"
>>           MACEDONIANS WILL BE THERE ON THEIR OWN
>>   On 15th of July the International Olympic Committee (IOC)
>>inform Macedonian Olympic Committee that Macedonian athletes
>>can compete at the next OIympic Games held at Barcelona, Spain.
>
>        
>
>
>>BEST OF LUCK, MACEDONIANS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD WILL BE WITH YOU
>               ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>You can be sure of one thing :
>Slavik Macedonians from Greece and Macedonians from all over the world 
>will be with Macedonians athlets.
>                                  
    GOOD LUCK TO MACEDONIAN OLIMPIC TEAM!!!



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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: US/Japan volleyball protest
Keywords: protest
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:18:09 GMT

In article <Bs775o.924@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, kig9584@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kyoko Inoue ) writes:
|> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:

|> What a cheap thing to say!

Probabally was. (It was in the Times though.)

|> What's most intriguing about this whole thing, at least to me, is the way
|> Japanese protested against the ref's call.  Right after the 4th set, I was
|> expecting the game to stop while the Japanese coaches protest against the
|> referees.  As I recall, the 4th set ended with a weird drop of a ball by
|> the Japanese players, which looked as if all of a sudden they lost interest
|> in continuing the game.

That was wierd, and I think the game would have ended then, but the ref decided
that there should be a do-over because of the wistle in the crowd. This was
one of several dumb decisions he made over that brief span of time.

|> When it turned out that the game was still going on, I was almost certain
|> the Japanese coaches would go up to the referee or score takers, and
|> have the game stopped until they come to an agreement (or at least get a
|> translator for the uncommunicative referees).  If the American team was in
|> the Japanese position, they would probably have done that.  I do not know
|> the precise regulations in filing protests, but when the 5th set started,
|> I was so angry at the lack of communication skills on the Japanese side.  
|> It appeared to me that they gave up their right to stand up and speak openly
|> what they believed to be true.

It seemed to be that they were hoping that they could win it fairly, and only
when they realized that they couldn't win the game on skill did they really
complain.

Jason W. Solinsky
From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: NBC Coverage
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:34:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <1992Jul29.074858.9202@news.stolaf.edu> alvstad@mari.acc.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad) writes:
>Just a brief comment on the coverage on the NBC network--
>
>	Personally, I think it stinks. 

I know I'm in a minority on this newsgroup, but I think it's all right.
Better than CBS's coverage of the Winter Olympics, for sure.  Certainly,
there are things that annoy me -- most particularly a waste of several
minutes every evening on the music video.  But those things I really
wanted to see so far -- swimming and gymnastics -- have been covered
pretty well.

It seems to be a tradition to complain about the US network (whichever
it may be) and its concentration on US athletes.  First, I don't
think it's as bad this time as it was in the past.  I've seen several
profiles of foreign athletes.  Don't you guys remember ABC's coverage
of the 1984 Los Angeles games?  That was MUCH worse.  Second, one
should expect a country's TV to focus on athletes from that country.
I was living in Montreal in 1976, and I assure you that the CBC was
as "biased" towards Canadians as ABC was towards Americans -- with
less reason, since few Canadians were medal contenders.

>unlike Costas, who is
>seemingly more concerned about the USA's beloved Dream/Scream/Cream Team than
>he is about any of the other events (strictly my opinion, but back-up is
>welcome).

I think Costas is better than Bryant Gumbal was in Seoul, but not as good
as Jim McKay.  I know a lot of people disliked McKay, especially in his
later years, but he could wring an emotional moment for all it was worth.

>	Also, I think that NBC should pull its heads on straight and show the
>medal ceremonies for ANY event, whether a US athlete wins or not
>(From what I'veread, it seems like many of you feel the same way). 

I would agree with this, but I'm not sure it would be possible, especially
during the last few days of the games.  I went to some track and field
events in Montreal and it seemed that there was a medal ceremony every
fifteen minutes.

It DOES annoy me that when they do show a medal ceremony they tend to
only show the American and the American flag.  I think it would actually
be MORE "patriotic", if that's what they want, to show all three flags
with the US flag on top.

[I deleted the line where you asked if it was just you, or are men being
shown more than women.]

It depends on the sport.  In the team sports, what you say definitely
seems to be true.  But in gymnastics a lot more time was spent on the
women than on the men.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov
From: 89u7491@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Barkley is a jerk...
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:34:49 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1992Jul27.205200.1508@javelin.sim.es.com>, bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer) writes:
> jzku_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Joeski) writes:
>>In <yzhou.712248144@void> yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Ya Zhou) writes:
>>>sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Sanjiv Sarwate) writes:
>>>>bhat@ccad.uiowa.edu (Dinkar N. Bhat) writes:
>>>>>In article <val.712212490@marsh> val@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Valerie Hall) writes:
> [...]
> 
> In a late-night replay of an interview with Karl Malone, Karl said he
> was going to have a "talk" with Charles about his unprofessional
					            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Barkley's conduct during their opening game against Angola was disgraceful to
say the least. After an uncontested lay-up, Barkely visciously elbowed an
Angolan player on his way back to the US end of the court. The Angolans showed
nothing other than perfect sportsmanship and this attack was in no way
acceptable. It took the shine off an otherwise entertaining performance by
the US. 

Being an Australian I am also concerned about the US teams attitude towards the
Aust. team. Their initial concerns about playing against Magic Johnson were
raised out of a lack knowledge. There are alot of people still uneducated as
far as AIDS is concerned, and an initial fear of comming into contact with a
HIV positive person is understandable. The team as a whole will feel privelaged
if they get to play against the likes of Johnson, Jordan, Bird, Pippin ..etc.

At a press conference, Barkley especially seemed to expose a hatred towards the 
Aust. team, givin his recent exploits I hope this doesn't amount to anything.

Cheers
-Trevor
From: vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: TripleCast Update
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:02:55 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA

In article <1636@hsdndev.UUCP> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.231559.9624@erg.sri.com> vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad) writes:
>>
>>NHL season? I thought you liked amteurism and hated big businesses....

>The best thing about NHL is that won't allow its stars to play in
>the Olympics or World Championships for one reason or another. 95% of
>the players on the American and Candian Olympic teams in France this
>past February consisted of collegians and junior league players. The other
>5% was  not-ready-for-prime-time minor leaguers.

Oh, i see, you use hockey as an example of how international sports should
work. 

We have not seen a top-notch international hockey
competition in more than 20 years. Twenty years!! There is top-notch soccer
competition every 4 years. But in hockey, htere was only one in history:
the 1972 Canada-USSR series. And I doubt if Swedes and Czechs would agree
that it was "top-notch". 

What we see now is a big business entertainment company, called the NHL,
that has signed up all the best hockey players in the whole World to act in
the NHL and, to your delight, refusing to let them participate in real
hockey competitions. 

So, how should the other sports imitate hockey? Should, say, top track&field
athletes join some pro circus? Should this circus then forbid those
athletes from competing in the Olympics? So, who will compete there?
Children under the age of 16? Millionairs?

Do you think that US college athletes are amateurs? The last time I checked
they were all receiving an average of about $10 to $20 htousand a year from
their colleges for their services. This salary is called "sports
scholarships". Now, most pro athletes all over the world receive less money
for their athletic services than our "amateurs".

I repeat, the only true amateurs who are good are idle aristocrats and
millionairs who do not have to work. All other athletes receive money for
their ahtletic performance.

Now, if you want an all-aristocrat Olympics, then why don't you start one?
I believe that most of other people would rather watch "all-democrat"
Olympics though.

>Only 3 days to go  before NBC's record 161-hours clutter of commercials,
>Olympic human tocuh stories,self-promotion and maybe some sports...:-)

I doubt that. Sports are naturally boring and irritate the housewives who
want to see 161 hours of NBC self-promotion WITHOUT ANY SPORTS
INTERRUPTIONS.

OK, OK, maybe a couple of hours of boxing to satisfy the violence
requiremnt, and a couple of hours of diving and gymnastics for the sex
aspect. :-)

Employer disagrees.
From: adamsf@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: re: Music Used on NBC
Date: 28 Jul 92 08:27:55 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Is the tape "Olympic Fanfare" an actual tape tape?  If so has anyone
ever seen it for sale?  Where?  How much?

Francine
From: Hebe.B.Quinton@dartmouth.edu (Hebe B. Quinton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Diving commentary & TripleCast
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:24:40 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <3651@spool.mu.edu>
tone@m.mscs.mu.edu (Peter Tonellato) writes:

> Ya Zhou writes:
> 
> > Can somebody tell me who the female commentator is in the diving event?
> > She really tried hard to belittle China's divers, who late ranks #1 in 
> > the event. It was said that she (the commentator) has won two silvers in
> > previous olympics behind Chinese divers. 
> 
> Others have given her current name (now married I believe.) However, back
> in 1980 when I knew her well at the University of Arizona (where she
> competed as the collegiate level) her name was Michelle Menkins. She was
> a better than average college diver who really blossomed after college
> when she moved to Mission Viejo to dive under the current USA Olympic
> Coach (oops - forget his name Ron O'Brian?)
> 
> As for your comment about her tendancy to "belittle China's divers", I
> guess I have to agree. I felt the same way when I listened to the final's
> reporting. The Chinese 13 year old should have been given MUCH more credit
> and coverage. You can be sure if a 13 year old American (the youngest to 
> win Platform diving and second youngest in history of games to win a gold)
> was to win we would hear MUCH more about the situation - new super star,...
> Remember that Michelle is a VERY competitive person and American. I know 
> this is a poor excuse and I absolutely agree that the NBC commentators have 
> an obligation to present objective commentary whatever their background. 
> Let's face it when you hire ex-jocks at least some are bound to let their 
> own countries sentiments show through no matter how hard they try not to.
> 
> -------
> Peter J. Tonellato

Am I watching the same competition?  On the Triple cast, the
commentator is Cindy Cooke and she does an excellent job of pointing
out what each diver is doing.  She had nice things to say about the
Chinese diver, too.

On another note:  I think that the TripleCast approach is a GIANT step
in the right direction.  It could be improved by showing the medal
performances for *every* sport, but NO COMMERCIALS is wonderful.  I
think we should encourage NBC to keep trying this approach until they
get it right.

All the complaints about cost, scheduling etc, makes you guys sound
like spoiled babies :-)  - $125 over two weeks ain't bad - think how
much you spend on movies, eating out, CD's, etc.
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From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Subject: Summary, Day 3, events
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 12:38:51 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


Day 3 events:
<data not available at this time :( >

r.
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From: fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West)
Subject: ROLLER HOCKEY: Results
Followup-To: rec.sport.olympics
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:29:23 GMT
Expires: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 05:00:00 GMT


There appear to be two pools for the competition:

POOL A				POOL B
Argentina			Angola
Italy				Australia
Japan				Brazil
Portugal			Germany
Switzerland			Netherlands
United States			Spain

SUNDAY'S RESULTS (as printed in USA Today)
Pool A: USA 10, JPN 1; ITA 3, ARG 3 (OT); POR 11, SUI 0
Pool B: BRA 5, GER 3; NED 3, ANG 3 (OT); ESP 17, AUS 1

MONDAY'S SCHEDULE
Pool A: SUI vs. ITA; JPN vs. POR; USA vs. ARG
Pool B: ANG vs. BRA; GER vs. AUS; ESP vs. NED
Xref: sparky rec.sport.olympics:1499 soc.culture.british:10886
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Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
From: <A735FJO@HASARA11.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 29 Jul 1992 13:25:00 CET
Organization: SARA - Stichting Academisch Rekencentrum Amsterdam

In article <1992Jul28.124514.14930@cs.hw.ac.uk>, nick@cs.hw.ac.uk (Nick Taylor)
says:
>
>All pretty damned confusing innit? It's all historical. There are four
>football associations in the UK and they all joined FIFA so they each get to
>enter a team in World Cup qualifiers, etc. There is only one Olympic Committee
>so it sends just one team to the Olympics (under the wrong name). There is
>only one Rugby Union in Ireland so the north and the republic are represented
>by one team in rugby union. Cricket, is run by the MCC (Marylebone Cricket
>Club) and they have a team which they call "England". In the Commonwealth
>Games every little bit of the UK competes separately.
>
>Alternatively, in each sport we split up into just small enough bits to
>make sure that we're not the best at it - and other people accuse us of
>cheating! Huh! What more proof could you want that we remain the nation(s)
>that believe taking part is more important than winning?
>
>Here's an attempt to untangle the spaghetti:
>
>Sport/Event           Names used
>
>Football              England, N.Ireland, Scotland, Wales
>Rugby Union           England, Ireland (includes N.Ireland), Scotland, Wales
>                      (also British Lions - includes all the above)
>Rugby League          Great Britain (includes ?)
>Cricket               England (includes all UK)
>Olympics              Great Britain (includes all UK and dependencies)
>Commonwealth Games    England, N.Ireland, Scotland, Wales, IoM, etc...
>
>Anybody got any more? We must be called the UK in something!
>
>Nick.
 
You are called UK in the Eurovision Song Contest! :)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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From: ajchien@med.umich.edu (Alexander J. Chien)
Subject: Re: Table Tennis Predictions
Originator: ajchien@monet.dmsv.med.umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan - Medical Center
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:35:51 GMT


In <1992Jul29.170632.28676@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, Meister ALster writes:

>	What about korea.....hyun jung hwa?
>       BTW, Is Dai Lili still playing for China?

Each country is only allowed to send 3 players in singles. China's
womens team is sending Deng Yaping, Qiao Hong and Chen Zihe world 
numbers 1,2, and 6 respectively
 -Alex
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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: SWIM: Posting of Heat results.
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:50:05 GMT

From now on, I will only be posting a range of HEAT results in the swimming
events.

If you would like the results to a heat, pls send me some EMAIL with the
heat you would like (or the competitor) and I will endeavour to post it
in rec.sport.olympics

At the moment, the priority for me is on posting the FINALS of the swimming
events, for which most results are on the net before the medal ceremony.

Rod Swift
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From: slzm9@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Barkeley is an Asshole.
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:47:58 MDT
X-From: slzm9@cc.usu.edu
X-Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Summary: Barkeley is an asshole.
Followup-To: rec.sport.olympics,soc.culture.african.americany
Distribution: world

X-Date: 28 Jul 92 18:17:29 MDT
X-Organization: Utah State University

   What is Charles Barkeley's problem? Is he a huge asshole, or
just the most pathetic buffoon of all time.
   While watching the first game of the USA's basketball team in
the Olympic Games I saw Barkeley pull two of the dumbest stunts
I have seen in awhile. First in a crowd of three Angolan defenders
Barkeley went up strong, made the bucket, and got the foul. But
that wasn't enough for Charles. He walks up to one of the
defenders and pushes him in the chest. He Pushes him off the playing
floor! I couldn't believe it. Then to make things worse a few
minutes later he goes by this guy that is giving up about 50 lbs.
to Charles. Barkeley gets the dunk then turns around and starts
back up the floor when passing his defender he raises his elbow
to shoulder level and elbows this guy in the chest as he passes
by. The referee calls a technical on Barkeley with which he
argues and is benched by Coach Daly.
   Now let's see what could be Barkeley's reason. It was a heavily
contested game and the game was close, in the heat of battle
his emotions got the best of him? Nope the USA was up by at least
20. The USA ended up winning by more than 80 points.
   No Barkeley said the next day when interviewed "When somebody
hits me I hit 'em back." The NBC sports team went through the
tape frame by frame and could find no evidence that this player
ever touched Barkeley little alone hit him. So it turns out
Barkeley is a liar as well as an asshole.
   What is the outcome of Barkeley's behavior? The next day
in the game against Croatia the crowd whistled (= boos in international
competition) whenever Barkeley did anything slightly irregular. Plus
they cheered for Croatia instead of the USA when the day before
the cheers for the USA had been deafening.

   What should be done? With or without him the USA will win the
gold medal. Chuck Daly, or the US Olympic Committee should send
him home and teach the little boy Barkeley a lesson he desperately
needs if he is ever to grow up. Barkeley as an ambassador we don't
need.

   I repost this here in its complete form because the discussions
I have read thus far have not mentioned the first altercation
or the lie Barkeley told the next day.


Peace, but not without justice
zip


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