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From: joes@sw.stratus.com (Joseph Spriano)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique,rec.autos.antique
Subject: Re: Old Car Museums
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:06:48 GMT
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In article <1edrr8INNn2r@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, cmraman@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Focused on Infinity) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov18.012808.15770@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
|> >In article <92322.164723SPOLINS@auvm.american.edu> <SPOLINS@auvm.american.edu> writes:
|> >>In our travels we like to visit old car museums.  A few years
|> >>ago we went to the Henry Ford museum in [Dearborn], Michigan and the Auburn,
|> >>Cord, Dusenberg Museum in Auburn, Indiana.  I'd be interested to know of other
|> >>antique/classic car museums.
|> >>
|> >>Susan Polinsky
|> >
|> >A couple of years ago, we went to the Rear View Mirror Museum in Nag's Head,
|> >North Carolina (On our way to Key West, Fl in our 65 Polara).   
|> 
|> Of course, one of the most famous antique car collections is the Wm. Harrah
|> collection, housed in Reno. though I have heard that it has been sold off
|> in bits and pieces, in recent years, there is still quite a selection.
|> 
|> Another nice one that has recently opened is the Blackhawk Museum in the 

|> East Bay (that's the San Francisco Bay, for all you non-California types).
|> It's in a gated community called Blackhawk, so named because the developer
|> has a love of classic cars including (natch) the Stutz. It's supposed to be
|> a very nice place. I was most annoyed to discover that my parents had gone
|> without me. :(
|> 
>>In the Northeast, there are two that come to mind. One is part of the 
>>Heritage Plantation in Sandwich on Cape Cod. They have Gary Cooper's
>>Dusenburg, among many other lovely things. Another is the MG museum in
>>Westminster, Vermont.

>>- BK


There is also the museum of transportation in Jamaica Plain/Brookline 
They have all sorts of classics there and run car shows between the spring and
fall.


Joe
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From: rlswec@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (William Cartwright )
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: SAAB 96 Monte Carlo 850 parts wanted
Date: 23 Nov 1992 00:49:39 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
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Summary: Wanted: parts for a 1966 SAAB Monte carlo 850
Keywords: SAAB Monte Carlo 850 parts

I wish to purchase parts for a 1966 SAAB Monte Carlo 850
Especially an engine and gearbox
Also looking for a Sonnett III in excellent condition
Please contact me directly to discuss prices etc

Bill Cartwright
rlswec@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
From: ben@bailey.UUCP (Ben Bailey)
Subject: Insurance
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Date: 21 Nov 92 16:22:44 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ben Bailey's Home..Tampa Fl.


We just tried to get insurance for my wife's 66 Mustang convertible 
(had it professionally restored - it was her original car from her 16th 
birthday).  Anyway, State Farm needed an appraisel, which we had done by
a professional firm in Largo, Fl.  The appraisel came in at $18,000.00,
now State Farm is telling us that "according to their 'Gold Book' for 
classic cars (in excellant condition)" that it can only be insured for
$14,210.00.

That seems a little odd to us.  Why would State Farm require an appriasel
for insurance if they already knew the value of the car (from the Gold Book)?
(Does the insurance industry have such a book, or is that a bunch of hokum?)

What do you suggest?  Who is a better unsurier(?)?  Is that price for a 
Mustang ($18,000) realistic for immaculate condition, all matching numbers,
81K miles?

Ben
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From: walker_m@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Volvo 1971 144S
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:51:25 EST
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

I have a 1971 Volvo 144S and was wondering if it was worth anything to anyone.

I don't want it!

mark

Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: gold@imp.sim.es.com (Bruce Gold)
Subject: Re:       Old Car Museums
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:46:40 GMT

The Ford Museum is in Dearborn, Michigan.  This is MUCH more than just a car
museum.  Schedule a full day to see the museum and the surrounding Greenfield
Village.  Among the myriad of things, it includes Thomas Edison's entire set of
laboratory buildings; moved from Orange to Dearborn.

Briggs Cunningham Museum somewhere in the Los Angeles area, California.  Race
cars of the early 50's, mostly.  Schedule a couple of hours max.  Nifty pearl
white paint job on a Lamborgini Miura.

The Harrah Automobile Collection in Sparks, Nevada; industrial east side of Reno.
While William Harrah was alive, this became by far the largest auto collection
anywhere!  Only a small fraction of the collection was ever on display at one
time and a quick walk from opening time to closing time MIGHT get you a glance at
everything on display.  Most has been sold off, including the Bugatti Royale to
the Domino's Pizza guy.  Probably still magnificent, though.

Auto museum in the old State Prison in Deer Lodge, Montana.  I haven't seen it
myself.  Just noted its existence as I was passing through a number of years ago.
I would appreciate a report on this one.

The FIAT Auto Museum in Torino (Turin), Italy.  Fabulous collection and fabulous
facility for display of same.  Detailed history of FIATs (of course), automobiles
in general starting in the 1700s, Ferrari street and race cars, tire technology,
chassis technology, and internal combustion engines.  This last includes a 2
liter V12 with about 300hp @ 7000RPM  (big deal, you say...) and built in 1923!
The signs for the exhibits are in Italian but you'll enjoy it regardless. 
Schedule at least 3 hours.

Concours'd'Elegance on the 3rd Sunday of September every year at the University
of Utah in Salt Lake City.  Several hundred primo entries.

Antique Machinery Show each August in West Jordon, Utah.  Includes antique autos,
steam tractors, weird and bizarre other mechanical contraptions.  One memorable
car from this show was a 20's era touring car with an engine-to-generator-to-
wheelmotor drive train; something like a diesel-electric railroad locomotive.

Antique car show on the 4th of July at Lolo Pass, Idaho/Montana border.  About a
hundred cars on display.

Bonneville Salt Flats Race Car Museum in Wendover, Utah.  East end of town. 
Little museum that includes 10-20 cars, Salt Flats racing memorabilia, and
anything else that seemed interesting to the owner of the museum.  Worth the stop.
Schedule an hour or so.  While you're there, catch a cheap meal at one of the 
casinos on the Nevada side of town.

The Train Station in Ogden, Utah.  Small auto museum (10-20 20's era cars), 
railroad museum, and the definitive Browning Firearm collection.  The Browning
Collection, rather than the auto collection, is the most significant display.
Schedule 1/2 hour for the cars, 2 hours for everything.

Jay Leno's garage.  By invitation only.
-- 
				Bruce Gold
				   Utah
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: jim@mwhhlaw (James P. Cavanaugh III)
Subject: Re:       Old Car Museums
Organization: Martin Wade Hartley & Hollingsworth
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:09:25 GMT

In article <1edrr8INNn2r@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> cmraman@ucscb.UCSC.EDU  
(Focused on Infinity) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Nov18.012808.15770@julian.uwo.ca>  
wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
> >In article <92322.164723SPOLINS@auvm.american.edu>  
<SPOLINS@auvm.american.edu> writes:
> >>In our travels we like to visit old car museums.  A few years
> >>ago we went to the Henry Ford museum in [Dearborn], Michigan and  
the Auburn,
> >>Cord, Dusenberg Museum in Auburn, Indiana.  I'd be interested to  
know of other
> >>antique/classic car museums.
> >>
> >>Susan Polinsky
>
	There is the Studebaker Museum at the site of the old  
Studebaker plant in South Bend, Indiana.  It's not as large as the  
Auburn museum, and I don't know that I'd travel 1000 miles just to see  
it, but if you are in the area, it's a nice museum that you can  
thoroughly cover in a couple of hours.  It is restricted to Studebaker  
products, as you may have guessed.

Jim Cavanaugh
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: lawrence@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Lawrence H. Smith,E20 Clark,56064,2726746)
Subject: Re: Old Car Museums
Originator: lawrence@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:24:33 GMT

The Owl's Head Transportation Museum, Owls Head, Maine.

(there are planes, log-haulers and such there too)
From: ben@bailey.UUCP (Ben Bailey)
Subject: Re: old car museums
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Date: 21 Nov 92 16:15:49 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ben Bailey's Home..Tampa Fl.

There's a nice one at Silver Springs park just outside of Ocala, Fl.

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Riverview, Fl. 33569       -- The main thing is to keep the main
813-677-5021                  thing the main thing.  Mainly. 
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: milliganc@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: RE: Jag Restoration
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:49:21 GMT

I can't help w/ the resto shhop search, but let as know how i turns out.  My
father drove a 120 roadster(early model: read lots-o-bugs) for 11 years.  It
resides quietly in the barn(has for 20 years) with a 140 engine.  He got sick
of constantly reworking on the 120.  He'll tell you that it was what taught
him how to fix cars.... really fix cars."Ah, yes, British sports cars.  When
they run, there's nothing like them.  And when they don't run.......there's
NOTHING like them!"
			Happy motoring,
				KILROY
From: exukevs@exu.ericsson.se (Kevin Stiles, t/fox, 7970)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: Old cars, emissions, engine size and ca
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:45:43 GMT
Reply-To: exukevs@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article 27368@julian.uwo.ca, wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
> In article <19152@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> sddascomb@ucdavis.edu (Steve Dascomb) writes:
> >Old cars, emissions, engine size and carb tuning...
> >	Recently I saw that Edelbrock in conjunction with Weber
> >have put together a complete fuel injection system for 
> >older V-8's complete with electronic controls, sensors, 
> >and electric fuel pump.  The system claims to be fully
> >controllable (settings for mileage or performance) but cost
> >$3000.00 - cheap!  Has anyone heard about this other than
> >the ad?  This type of system would be nice if it was affordable.
> 
> $3000 is cheap?
> Why don't the big-3 make some kind of similar system, since they are still
> putting some of these engines on the road.


I have heard that in the future GM is going to install the type of fuel
injection similar in design to the type that many of the German and
Swedish cars have been using for years. I am not sure what year it will
be 94?
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: jfriday@westmark.Stanford.EDU (The Crazy Archivist)
Subject: Re: What's with rec.autos.antique??
Keywords: What the?
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 03:02:13 GMT

I dare say that rec.autos.antique was created because, from my experience,
more sites get rec.* groups that alt.* groups.  This one might 
have been stated frist because alt.* groups don't have to go through
a formal voting process.




Paul "Joe Friday" Stacy (not net.police)       Buffalo State College, New York
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Disclaimer:  This isn't the opinion of the school, police, Chief of Detective
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Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: whs70@dancer.cc.bellcore.com (sohl,william h)
Subject: Re: What's with rec.autos.antique??
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 14:03:05 GMT
Keywords: What the?

In article <1992Nov19.030213.6390@leland.Stanford.EDU> jfriday@westmark.Stanford.EDU (The Crazy Archivist) writes:
>I dare say that rec.autos.antique was created because, from my experience,
>more sites get rec.* groups that alt.* groups.  This one might 
>have been stated frist because alt.* groups don't have to go through
>a formal voting process.

That's part of it.  The new group "rec.autos.antique" was also
created because many sites apparently do NOT accept or otherwise
receive "alt" groups.  So, there was a formal vote which actually
started on the alt.autos.antique group and it overwhelmongly was
in favor of changing the newsgroup over to rec.autos.antique.

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Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: gunnar@beppe.ericsson.se (Gunnar Forsgren)
Subject: OPEL Rekord B '66 - Parts wanted
Keywords: OPEL Rekord-B parts wanted
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:40:28 GMT

Hi, I want to hear from those that have or know of companies or
individuals that carry a stock of new original spare parts for
the OPEL Rekord B (1900) '66, a german car.
I need miscellaneous parts such as chrome trim strips in front
and rear body sections, Wheel covers/rings, mud flaps, etc.
Such parts are likely to be found in Europe, primarily Germany.
The model existed for only one year, a bridge between older
body/chassis technology and the totally redesigned '67 C-model.
The B model is identified by it's four round tail lights,
much inspired by american GM models of the early '60s.
Although the car rated as #4 in Swedish sales statistics back in '66
few of these cars remain today. 

Any pointer to a parts dealer would be much appreciated.

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Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Subject: Re: Old Car Museums
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:09:41 GMT

In article <92322.164723SPOLINS@auvm.american.edu> <SPOLINS@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>We have two old cars a 1956 T-bird  and a 1966 T-bird.  The '66 is my husbands
>daily driver.  In our travels we like to visit old car museums.  A few years
>ago we went to the Henry Ford museum in Dearfield, Michigan and the Auburn,
>Cord, Dussenburg Museum in Auburn, Indiana.  I'd be interested to know of other
>antique/classic car museums.
>
>Susan Polinsky

Don't forget the Studebaker Museum in South Bend, IN which is not that far from
you guys.

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Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: davidson@ccrs.emr.ca (David Davidson)
Subject: What is the best MG to cut teeth on?
Organization: Canada Centre for Remote Sensing, Ottawa
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:03:02 GMT


I have owned several older American cars before, and I am starting to get 
the 'bug' again. This time I would like to get a British roadster. I am
mechanically competent and enjoy spending most of my free time and all
of my money trying to keep a car on the road.

I have no practical knowledge on the individual UK cars. I would like
to know what is perhaps the best car to learn the ropes on. This perhaps
means sacrificing styling/rarity over parts supply, ease of access to the 
engine, reliability etc.. 

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Ta very much
David Davidson
From: chrisb@lynx.ps.uci.edu (Chris Barrus)
Subject: Re: old car museums
In-reply-to: kbr@cbnews.cb.att.com's message of Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:15:32 GMT
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Organization: Dept. of Physics, Univ. of California, Irvine
Distribution: usa
Date: 19 Nov 92 08:38:35 GMT


In article <1992Nov18.191532.28102@cbnews.cb.att.com> kbr@cbnews.cb.att.com (kenneth.b.reber) writes:

   Don't forget the museums in Sandwich, Mass, Cassinovia, NY, Sarasota,
   near Rapid City, Pidgon Forge, TN, L.A., Reno, Chicago, Cleveland, my barn.

   There everywhere!

=============================================================

There is another car museum at the Imperial Palace hotel in Las Vegas.
In Ventura County, CA there is an appointment-only museum filled with 
Otis Chandler's (L.A. Times magnate) collection of 60's muscle cars.

Chris
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:47:21 EST
From: <SPOLINS@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject:       Old Car Museums

We have two old cars a 1956 T-bird  and a 1966 T-bird.  The '66 is my husbands
daily driver.  In our travels we like to visit old car museums.  A few years
ago we went to the Henry Ford museum in Dearfield, Michigan and the Auburn,
Cord, Dussenburg Museum in Auburn, Indiana.  I'd be interested to know of other
antique/classic car museums.

Susan Polinsky
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: hjack@well.sf.ca.us (Henry Jackson)
Subject: Information requested re: older pickup trucks.....
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:53:03 GMT


Long ago I had the great pleasure of owning a 1953 Willys pickup (flat
fender)  Great truck.  The design was purely functional with occational
whimsical touches like the push button door realase.  Great truck.....

Why I ever let that one go I don't know.  But I'm looking for more info on
where I can find trucks of that era.  49-53 GMC, oler Ford pickups (ones
with an upright radiator) Studebaker pickups......

Any experiences, advice, resources????


Discussion welcome.






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Date: Wednesday, 18 Nov 1992 09:42:42 PST
From: <PRAX@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique,rec.autos.antique
Subject: Re: Old Car Museums
 <1992Nov18.012808.15770@julian.uwo.ca> <1edrr8INNn2r@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>

There si also the Towne (?) Ford Museum in Sacramento, California. Very
nice Ford place, right along the Sacrammento River .5 miles south of
Old Sacramento.

Joe Praxel
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique,rec.autos.antique
From: brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg)
Subject: Re: Old Car Museums
Originator: brad@buck
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:22:13 GMT


In article <By1I25.7C3@javelin.sim.es.com>, gold@imp.sim.es.com (Bruce Gold) writes:
|> In an article, brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg) writes:
|> 
|> |> In the Northeast, there are two that come to mind. One is part of the 
|> |> Heritage Plantation in Sandwich on Cape Cod. They have Gary Cooper's
|> |> Dusenburg, among many other lovely things. Another is the MG museum in
|> |> Westminster, Vermont.
|> |> 
|> |> - BK
|> 
|> I remember Gary Cooper's Deusenburg SSJ on display at the Briggs Cunningham Car
|> Museum somewhere in southern California, but that was more than a decade ago.
|> That car moving to the Heritage Plantation makes me wonder about whether the
|> Briggs Cunningham Museum still exists.  Does anyone out there know if it still
|> exists, and if so, precisely where it is?
|> -- 

Now that you bring this up, I wonder if I am mistaken about the Dusie. It
certainly is *a* Dusie, but whether it is *GC's* Dusie now has me wondering.
I thought it was, but hey, I could be imagining things. 

BTW, another museum is the Museum of Transportation in Brookline, MA. As a
matter of interest, they are right now advertising a special showing of
sports cars and/or roadsters, the theme being "dream machines" or something 
like that. I expect to go and check it out.

Ciao
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)
Subject: Re:       Old Car Museums
Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:28:08 GMT

In article <92322.164723SPOLINS@auvm.american.edu> <SPOLINS@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>We have two old cars a 1956 T-bird  and a 1966 T-bird.  The '66 is my husbands
>daily driver.  In our travels we like to visit old car museums.  A few years
>ago we went to the Henry Ford museum in Dearfield, Michigan and the Auburn,
                                        ^Dearborn
>Cord, Dussenburg Museum in Auburn, Indiana.  I'd be interested to know of other
>antique/classic car museums.
>
>Susan Polinsky

A couple of years ago, we went to the Rear View Mirror Museum in Nag's Head,
North Carolina (On our way to Key West, Fl in our 65 Polara).   
Newsgroups: alt.autos.rod-n-custom
From: bill@ecn.purdue.edu (Bill Drake)
Subject: Re: 1978 T/A questions
Organization: Purdue
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:30:40 GMT

In article <Nov15.092759.60538@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
pattons@CS.ColoState.EDU (samuel patton) writes:

>I also need to rehang the drivers side door since it sags.  How do you go
about
>doing this???? Is it hard or not... I would like to avoid paying someone to 
>do this...
>
>
>Sam
>

Sounds like you need to replace the door hinge pins and bushings. You can
check to make sure that's what you need by opening the door and lifting the
open end up and down. If there is movement in the hinge area they need 
replaced. Pretty common on this style of f-body due to the long heavy doors.

I'm  doin the same project on a 73 Camaro, along with a new door to replace 
the crashed old one. You need to remove the spring in the upper hinge
before you remove the pin. I then cut the pin in the middle and pulled it out.
At this point what was left of the bushings fell out. I've had to stop here due
to my upper hinge being worn so bad I'll need to replace it also. But from
here all you need to due is reassemble it with the new parts, bolt it back onto
the car and rehang the door. 

Bill Drake   -   bill@ecn.purdue.edu

47 Ford Club Coupe////454/AT/3:00////  the "Fat Rat"
69 Camaro convertible////327/AT/2:73


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