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Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Dodge Intrepid Comments
From: <KANTOLA@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 15:05:59 CST
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network



In article <BxB8or.3oJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Rockville)
says:
>
>mas@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>
>>Anyone test drive any of the LH sedans yet - particularly the Dodge
>Intrepid??
>
>I haven't, but my mom (who did training work for Chrysler over the summer) got
>to drive an Intrepid in a closed-course comparison.  Mom, who actually knows
>a thing or two about driving, loved the thing!  Said it handled great, rode
>well, accelerated, etc. etc.  In the comparison, she also got to run an Acura
>Legend, Nissan Maxima, Mitsubishi Diamante, Ford Taurus, and Pontiac
>Bonneville
>against it.  They lost.
>
>I am still waiting for a chance to drive one myself, but all the reviews I've
>read in car magazines seem to praise it highly as well.
>
>$0.02
     I can't say I've driven one yet but I just saw one parked on the side of
the street.  If they drive anything like they look, my views on Mopar will
probably begin to change.  The dash is still chincy Dodge style but the body
is great.  You'll definitely get looks in that car (until it's copied that is).

Xref: sparky rec.autos:26248 rec.autos.sport:12087
From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Desision on buying 69 Camero
Keywords: Ponycar
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:06:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

>This is for Vintage racing, right?  You'll be running against
>other Z-28, Mustangs, and the odd Javelin.  The question is,
>does Vintage Racing come up to the posting standards for
>rec.autos.sport.  
>
>Rec.autos.sport is for the sport of racing cars.  I guess even
>old racing cars qualify.

This one isn't quite so bad.  You see, the '69 Camaro was the 
offical pace car for at least two major racing events in the US.  
In Oct '68 it paced the '68 Monterey Grand Prix CanAm race.  The 
following May, it paced the '69 Indy 500.  If I remember correctly
Chevrolet had 28 orange Camaro's available to the various SCRAMP
officals and VIPS during the October race.

Dan Jones  
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: freewill@carson.u.washington.edu (William Kaufman)
Subject: sporty econo-boxes
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:04:57 GMT




  I don't know if this is a FAQ on this newsgroup (I'm new), but I was
wondering what the consensus is on who makes the zippiest econo-box.
We're talking cheap, like $7000. My friend claims the Nissan Sentra
with a 100HP DOHC 16 valve base engine came out top in his research.
He says that while he leased his, to determine his trade-in value, etc., 
the car came out at ~$6800. (He says recently they had been $10,000,
but it's a buyers' market) Obviously, different people in different areas 
will pay different amounts, depending on the economy, but does anyone have 
reference to any info. on this? My friend claims the Sentra was the winner 
in one magazine comparision with the same criteria: sporty econo-boxes.
		Thanks, freewill
From: carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Need Advice (URGENTLY) !!!!!!!!!!
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:27:41 GMT
	<Bwy4n8.CsG@ssesco.com>
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: nau@ssesco.com's message of 30 Oct 92 17:59:31 GMT


>will become Ford.  Jag has a well deserved reputation for poor quality.
>Ford is trying to change that.  (while maintaing the Jag classy styling)

I haven't had a laugh as good as this one in quite some time.  Ford,
trying to teach another company how to improve quality....
HAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAH

(Sorry, I just couldn't resist).

-Carl-
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From: roy@ecgcurly.UUCP (ecghub   Roy Kern)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: What price to pay for a '93 Probe GT?
Summary: Need buying help
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:51:46 GMT
Organization: Motorola Cellular Cad Group


  A friend of mine is very interested in purchasing a '93 Ford Probe GT and
asked me what he should pay for it.  The sticker is $17.8k and the salesman
said he'd give it to him for $16.1k.  Anyone know what the dealer paid for
this car?  It has the 2#3 package where # is some number that I forgot
(i.e. 263 or 283).  He mentioned the other option package was 2#1 (both
have the same second digit).

  I told him I didn't know, but would seek the vast resourcefulness of the
net in obtaining purchasing wisdom.  So can anyone tell me what's a good
price/what the dealer paid/what he should pay no more than for this car?

  Any responses would be greatly appreciated and even more so if they are
emailed.  I will summarize if there is interest but I think that would bore
the majority.  10,000 thankyous.

Roy.
roy@mot.com  <--- Internet email address (faster than just hitting 'R')
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From: bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser)
Subject: Re: saturn/OLDs speculation
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:38:13 GMT

nbucknor@rpwmadhu.gmr.com (Norman Bucknor) writes:

>As usual on the internet, a little information is offered with a little
>misinterpretation and before you know it, it's the gospel truth. There
>is no plan to merge Saturn with Olds. What has been said by Olds division
>head John Rock is that he wants to pattern Olds on the Saturn model and
>make it more like Saturn. I think the ultimate aim (at least with the
>current thinking, which is constantly evolving) is to make Olds a division
>which will be attractive to Saturn buyers when they want to move up to
>a bigger car (this also means that Olds' car lines will also move away
>from the way they are positioned now in terms of size and styling). You can
>certainly argue whether or not this will be a successful strategy. All of
>this is public knowledge by the way (e.g., read this week's TIME magazine).

It has also been reported in the WSJ that GM will ax two divisions.
Frankly, I don't care what John Rock says about Olds, because it
seems likely to me that it would be his division to merge with Saturn
if there is indeed any merging to be done.

A week before Stempel was removed, GM brass were swearing
up and down that he wasn't going to go.  Those guys are just trying
to save their asses and their stocks.

And this business of Saturn buyers "moving up" to other GM products is
a joke.  Right now Saturn is in the small car/commuter/sporty market
with the SLs, SCs, and SWs.  They back it up with good sales practices
and an excellent product.  Sorry, there isn't anywhere for these buyers
to go within GM after they're done with their Saturns.  No way.  Uh-uh.
And there probably won't be for a long time to come; reputations die hard.
If Saturn built mid-size and full-size 4 doors and perhaps a pumped-up
SC with 24v V-6 or a RWD V8 type, IMHO the rest of GM would be out of
business (although some desperados would *still* buy Chevys :^)  ).
Regards,

Brian

bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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From: nau@ssesco.com (William Nau)
Subject: Re: Mazda Protege: Problem with engaging 1st and rev. gear.
Organization: SSESCO
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:59:29 GMT


-- In article <1992Nov4.214738.18023@syl.dl.nec.com> cwhsu@syl.dl.nec.com (James Hsu (214)518-3584) writes:
>Hello all Mazda Protege owners out there.  I have owned my 1991 Mazda
>Protege for almost a year and I am still having difficulty engaging first
>gear smoothly.  Specically, when I step on the clutch and engage the first
>gear, I always encounter noticable resistance, thus requiring me to engage
>the first gear slowly.  Also, sometimes I am unable to engage the reverse
>gear at all until I stepped the clutch several times.
>
>I have been driving stick-shift cars for a long time and I have never
>encountered situation like this.  I called Mazda's customer relationship
>department, which referred me to the dealer again (I already checked this
>with the dealer before I called Mazda customer relationship department).
>Basically the dealer said that there is nothing wrong about it and since
>Mazda didn't announce anything about it, they claim there is nothing to
>worry about.
>
>Has anybody encountered this sort of problem before?  Is this a potential
>problem or it is simply less than optimal design in the transmission?
>
>All comments are appreciated, preferably by email.
>
>Thank you for your time.

This seems to be a Mazda thing.  As far as reverse goes anyway.  I have
a 1992 Probe (Mazda drivetrain) and sometimes have a hard time getting
it into reverse.  Usually a touch in first will fix it.  A friend has
a 1988 RX-7 with the same problem.  I noticed that someone else posted
that he has the problem with his 1991 Protege as well.  Yet none of us
seem to have a problem with first.  I (and my friend) sometimes find
that shifting into second, under heavy acceleration, doesn't always work
as smooth as it should.  I've missed more shifts going to second than I
have missed going to third.
--------
William R. Nau
Supercomputer Systems Engineering and Services Company (SSESCO)
511 11th Avenue South, Suite 216
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55415-1536
(612) 342-0003

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From: louislam@iastate.edu (Louis C Lam)
Subject: Powering Steering Question
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:33:11 GMT

One day when I was driving to the grocery store and was parking my car,
I turned off my key (just playing) before my car was completely in the parking
space.  At the moment I turned of the ignition, the steering wheel locks up.
I know this is normal since the PS needs some vacuum from the engine (right?)

My question is, what if the car's engine stops running (an engine problem...) 
while you're on the road?  The steeling wheel locks and you can't control 
the car!

Louis
louislam@iastate.edu
From: malc9336@miller.cs.uwm.edu (Brian Malcolm)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: the eternal head gasket story -- need some advice..
Date: 9 Nov 1992 19:24:56 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.9.13

In article <BxDJ63.n2A@cs.psu.edu> kalin@math.psu.edu ( kalin ) writes:
>Well, here's the scoop. I blew the head gasket two months ago.
>
>I decided to do it myself.  Need any advice as to what to look out
>for and what not to do. Car is a Mazda 626, carburated.
>
>thanks, kalin

Well, a few things I have heard:

1) If the head is AL, it must be milled or the gasket will blow again.
   The first time I did the job, I did not have the head milled and the
   fix lasted only 8k miles. (I do not know if milling is required for 
   non aluminum heads) 

2) If head is AL, the engine must be completely cold when the head is 
   removed or else severe warpage may occur.

3) If the manual tells you not to reuse the head bolts, don't.  The bolts
   are designed to streach when torqued and hence brittle after one
   application.  Reuse may cause the bolts to break. (I did not know
   this at the time but got away with reusing then *twice*)

I am not familiar with the mechanicals of any foreign cars, but if your
Mazda has an overhead cam, you will most likely have to remove the timing
belt to get the head off.  You don't mention the mileage of your car, 
but, if it is close the recomended replacepent schedule, now would be
a (convienient? - sp), well, nice time to replace it.

Brian Malcolm
malc9336@miller.cs.uwm.edu
From: h4c192@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Kenny Fung)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Winter Tires
Date: 7 Nov 1992 10:50:00 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: keats.rick.cs.ubc.ca
Keywords: winter snow tires

Does anyone have any experience with the Michelin XM+S100s?  They are
the ones with the "exclusive sipes" that supposed track very well in
snow and even better in snow.  I think they've only been around a year
or two, but this is one of two or three tires that I might consider for
the winter.  Thanks.

Kenny Fung
From: n3884@cray.com (Peter Palmer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ethanol blended gasoline
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:07:49 GMT


  
>
>DG> This is complete and total BULL-SHIT cars and I mean all cars
>DG> only make up 10% of the worlds pollution.
>
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Did I miss it or did somebody address the amounts of pollution from
the trucking industry, and what sort of regulation (if any) they are 
subject to?

Pete Palmer
From: pauls@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Paul Stafford)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:43:29 GMT
Subject: Brit Car mail list?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

 title says it all- looking for brit-car mailing list

  thanks much

   Paul Stafford  pauls@sr.hp.com

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ctoth@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher M Toth)
Subject: Corvette Turbo
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 07:07:50 GMT

	Do Corvette's come in Turbo form? I was wondering if I could
get a Corvette Turbo. Have they ever come with a Turbo?

Thanks!


-- 
Christopher M. Toth                   "With an Iron fist in a velvet glove
The Ohio State University              We are sheltered under the gun
Columbus State                         In the glory game on the power train
CIS/History Major                      Thy's kingdom's will be done."-Rush
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ford Tempo + SHO engine = ?
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:56:46 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <1992Nov12.141924.28848@metter.fmpmis.metter.com>, 
virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (Paul Virgo) writes:
> Right after the LH/Lexus fiasco, I pulled up to a light,and right next to
> me came a teal '92 Tempo with the V6 driven by a very attractive young
> woman--who kept peering at the badge on my Acclaim. Anyway, I sat there
> and thought, "Hmmmm--now wouldn't it be cool,since the Tempo/Topaz are being
> redesigned in another year, if they went ahead and made a Tempo GT and 
stuffed
> the SHO engine in it--made this thing maybe a limited production vehicle--
and
> sell it through select dealerships?"
> 
> Then again, maybe I should cut back on the hot chocolate in the morning...
> Your opinions are welcome..bat this idea around a bit...

There is a Tempo with a 3.8 Litre V-6 in it that R&T described as
a baby SHO...

But they have definitely not put an SHO engine in it yet.  I'm sure that 
would be an interesting thought.  

BTW in the Fall edition of the SHO Registry mag, they admit they are
in the process of building up a SHO Wagon.  They're looking for a rolled
'93 SHO to get the suspension and drive train out of...

 

Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com or 74616.2237@compuserve.com
SHO  GOZE
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: manoj@dgbt.doc.ca (M. K. Jain)
Subject: Nissan Mailing List
Organization: The Communications Research Centre, Ottawa, Canada
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:24:42 GMT

Is there a Nissan mailing list out there. I would appreciate if someone could
please send me the address of it.

thanks,
manoj
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: Survey impartiality (was Re: Profits to Japan?)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:41:30 GMT

In article <1dlv33INNc3b@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>This doesn't invalidate the theory.  His theory was for minor defects,
>not major ones (read it again, he's pretty explicit).
I'll go reread it.

Wait a sec. Then you agree CU reliability ratings
can point out problems with cars? Why is it so useless then? And if
the discrepency is only with minor stuff, then what is your point.
It's the major stuff that matters.


>>Why is it that the Ford Crown Victora had great reliability while the
>>Chevy Caprice Sucked? At the time(late 80's) they were very similar and
>>very American. Did these Ford owners think the cars
>>were Japanese?
>
>It's quite possible that most Crown Victoria owners are biased against
>the Japanese (ask yourself which major age group owns Crown Vics, and
>why they might be particularly anti-Japanese).  It works both ways.
>
I think you missed my point:

Why would Chevy Caprice owners be any less biased? Those cars were very very
similar competeting with the same population. IF society dictates
what their impression about the car is, then both should have had
similar reliability ratings.

john
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From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!)
Subject: Re: Chrysler LH sedan takes out Lexus luxury-mobile...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:52:53 GMT
Keywords: Happened...really! Right here on 13th St., D.C....

issa@cwis.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin) writes:

[Paul Virgo describes Lexus 300 losing game of "chicken" to a Chrysler in a
big way]

>>So, Chrysler 1, Lexus 0...had it been a LS400--well--woulda' been interesting...BTW, the airbags kicked in on the Lexus...

>Top Car with the Best [Least] Overall Injury Rating:
>Lexus LS 400   (Motor Trend, 1992 Top Ten Special Issue)

>So, Chryer (0), Lexus (Infiniti plus 1).

I must say I'm missing your point here.  The "score" in question was which car
won in a real-world test of handling and acceleration.  I have this sneaking
suspicion that the Intrepid (or Concorde or whatever) was not trying to *KILL*
the Lexus driver, so I would say that by not ramming into a wall or whatever,
the Chrysler won.  If the other car had been an LS400 instead of an ES300,
it probably would've accelerated fast enough to "win" - provided the doctor's
wife could get off the cellular phone in time.  The comparison was not about
safety.  BTW, I didn't get your "Infiniti plus 1" joke.  Or was that serious,
only you meant "infinity" and not "Infiniti"?  Either way I just don't get it.
And another thing:  If the collision was bad enough to activate the 300's air-
bag(s?), I would think the LH is pretty equally qualified with dual airbags.
Making a safety comparison at this time is probably unwise, as there is little
or no accident data on the LH's as yet.
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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Powering Steering Question
Date: 12 Nov 1992 07:04:58 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, nau@ssesco.com (William Nau) says:

>In article <louislam.721510391@vincent2.iastate.edu>, louislam@iastate.edu (Louis C Lam) writes:
>|> One day when I was driving to the grocery store and was parking my car,
>|> I turned off my key (just playing) before my car was completely in the parking
>|> space.  At the moment I turned of the ignition, the steering wheel locks up.
>|> I know this is normal since the PS needs some vacuum from the engine (right?)
>|> 
>|> My question is, what if the car's engine stops running (an engine problem...) 
>|> while you're on the road?  The steeling wheel locks and you can't control 
>|> the car!
>|> 
>|> Louis
>|> louislam@iastate.edu
>
>The wheel locked up because you had turned the key to the off position,
>not because the engine wasn't running.  Try it again and turn the key
>back to the on position (without starting the engine).  You will be able
>to turn the wheel.  It will turn very hard, but it will turn.

oddly enuff..(is it odd?..how many others have the same feature?) my 
car doesn't lock the wheel till you take the key out of the ignition..
but, if you remove it, and then stick it back in even before you turn
the wheel..it will still lock.you have to turn it all the way back on..
but w/ the key in the off position, it does not lock up provided that 
the key hasn't been removed since being unlocked the time before.
kinda neat, i think..not overly important..but neat
DREW
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From: walkerr@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Robert A Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ethanol blended gasoline
Date: 5 Nov 1992 19:54:11 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu


>Because they are responsible for 90% of the autombile pollution, and are
>the main justification for ever-rising requirements of new cars, which makes
>them more and more expensive, thereby making it harder for people to buy new
>cars.  It's a positive feedback loop that is good for _nobody_!

	Just a question no flames.  If old junk cars make up 90% of all 
car pollution, how much of the total pollution do cars make up.  Air 
pollution that is.  Seems to me that the government should go after the
biggest polluters.  If that is cars then go after them.  But it seems to
me that those factories that churn out tons and tons of smoke do more
damage than the cars driving by them, am i correct, i honestly don't know.

>>                                                I personally wouldn't
>>drive any newer cars by choice, maybe in the future i might be driven
>>by practicality but new cars suck.
>
>Interesting value judgement.  You're full of grape juice, though.

Grape juice?  

>Not true.  At least, not entirely.  A properly tuned old car will probably
>pass most current inspections, though they will be tougher in the future.

	Mt '78 Wagoneer "wow i can't believe it started" again"  after
being driven 10 minutes and after haveing a tune up 2 months before hand
had 0 HC and 0.00 % CO.  Believe it or not.  No catalytic converter or
any real emissions stuff.

>That is the price of progress.  But at least newer cars don't _get_ screwed
>up that often.  I haven't had an engine problem since around 1979, except for
>two EGR valves.  That's _four_ cars.

	Maybe I'm jsut wierd but i have noticed that a lot of new cars come 
from the factory loaded with bugs and once they get orked out the car finally
runs like new.
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FLAME! Only a Manual!
Date: 13 Nov 1992 00:42:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) says:

[dead text deleted]
>Just out of interest. In the US, given a make and model which offers 
>manual or auto on an identical car, which would be more expensive?

given two identical cars, with identical options...ONLY thing different 
being the tranny..the auto will be more expensive...
DREW
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