From: franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: The Right to Exist
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:44:28 GMT
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

In <1992Apr8.114242.6003@hemlock.cray.com> mon@cray.com (Muriel Nelson) writes:

>Warning: DULL!

>A severed wart is human life, too. You'll have to do better than
>that if you wish to remove existing rights from persons on the
>basis of your reasoning.
   Go read your grade 8 biology book. Or any high level biology book
for that matter. If you can define life properly and still include
a wart within these confines, I will eat your wart. Sorry - nice try though.

>She's 22 times more likely to die from carrying a pregnancy to 
>term than from a first-trimester abortion. Non-lethal damage is
>almost inevitable.
22 x 0 = ?
    Yup , 0... The chances of dying from natural complications
are exceptionally small my friend. Besides, does that justify 
abortion? You silly twit - how abou this statistic...
When a woman has an abortion the fetus has (almost) infinitely 
higher chances of dying than if the pregnancy is carried to term. 
(this stat holds true for 1st, 2nd or 3rd trimester abortions)


>Many wartime defense scenarios do exactly that. (Kill those who 
>pose a distant threat to our lives, that is.)
   Oooh, so that justifies it does it? Because good ol' George
Bush says it's okay legally, does that make it right morally?

>You assign the same rights to a small, barely differentiated blob
>of cells as you would to a thinking, living breathing woman who may
>have several born children depending on her for nurturance and 
>livelihood? You have a very high opinion of women, don't you?
   Well I've often wondered if some fo the people that post here have
escaped froma petri dish. But - you say that differentiation is
barely noticeable? Differentation, localization and specilizatin
of the zygote occurs within 8 hours of conception. Each area of the zygote
has it's specified task, and if you replant various parts of the zygote, 
this part will continue to grow and carry out it's task as if it had
never moved (yes, you could plant an arm on you head - but the Catholic
church is against that too... wonder why?)


>This is a convoluted approach. You would allow the fetus to be 
>removed and allowed to die slowly from lack of support (at an
>exponentially increased expense) but not allow simple abortion.
>Is that correct?        ^^^^^^^
                         You put a price on life? And you say a lack
                         of support? AND you guarantee death? huh?

>The right to determine the uses to which one's body may be put.
>Includes the right to withhold consent for sexual activity,
>even from a spouse, the right not to be forced to perform
>slave labor, and the right to terminate  the attatchment of
>any other organism, internal or external, that attatches itself
>to one's body. 
   where did this come from? Lovely definition. It makes sense up
until the "organism" part. This is an "organism" you created, therefore
it is YOUR responsibility... Not to terminate, but to nurture. Every woman
fully knows and understand what she will create if /when conception
take place... 

>You really don't address the woman much in this diatribe. A fetus
>is incapable of judgement, but a woman is not. She should have the 
   Garbage. The fetus in the first couple of months responds to
thermal, physical, electrical, nutritional, photo, and chemical
stimulation. As well, it can easily sense motion, and various studies
were carried out at one of the Ivy League schools which showed that in
the 6th month the fetus is capable of reason and logic (deciding between
two options, it conclusively, with results greater than 90% repeatability,
could decide in a predictable and logical manner).
   nice try again though - incapable huh? 
steve
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