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From: johnlake@microsoft.com (John Lake)
Subject: Re: Big Surf
Date: 12 Dec 92 04:30:23 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1g6go1INNf4r@morrow.stanford.edu> andy@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Andy Michael USGS Guest) writes:
>In article <27890@dog.ee.lbl.gov> njtravis@ux5.lbl.gov (Nancy Jean Travis) writes:
>>We've got deluge, gales and finally this morning
>>US Weather issued a Dangerous Surf advisory.
>>I've been watching the bouys, and the nearshore swells
>>have been 14-26 feet all along the north coast.
>Well,  I saw one wave this morning at Surfer's beach in Half Moon Bay
>that you could have ridden onto highway 1.  Well, almost.  The wave
>got onto the road but you would have been left on the rock wall.  Waves
>were also washing almost over the jetty into the harbor.  Mostly it
>looked very choppy and rough.  Not like fun. No one was out.  The high
>tide today and tomorrow morning was +6.7 feet which is what made it
>more like Surfer's lack of beach.
>

Yeah sounds like up here.  I saw a deal on the news yesterday afternoon
about the surf.  They were calling about 18 feet.  They had some stuff
about Westport, the big surf and really high tides.  This isn't good 
for Westport because it's already eroding badly, but that's another
story.  So anyways in the harbor there is an area called The Cove and 
it is lined on the north end by a rock breakwater that runs parallel 
to the water with 4 finger jetties (The Groins) as it curves into the 
harbor further.  The pictures on the news showed the waves breaking over
the breakwater across the road and into the boatbasin and streets in 
front of all the small stores and charterboat fishing offices.  Most of 
the stores and offices were flooded a bit.  They didn't show any footage 
of the surf outside of the harbor on the ocean side of the jetty, but I 
imagine that it was probably breaking way out past the end of the jetty,
which is about a mile or so out (it's a really long jetty).  So the surf
was in the "don't even bother trying to measure it" range.  I don't imagine
that anyone was trying to surf it at Westport, but it was blowing about 
30 mph OFFSHORE.  I know for sure of a few spots that were firing tough.

I was gonna surf yesterday till we got a little suprise in the weather.
About 5-7 inches of wet and heavy snow.  Ya see, Seattle is at about 
sea level to maybe 400 feat above sea level, so when it snows people 
freak cause they don't know how to drive in it.  So trying to get out 
of the city to go surf, especially since I have to take a ferry to go 
were I wanted to, would be pretty futile.  So I sat at home and watched
stupid people trying to drive.  Also the Seattle area is pretty hilly 
(not as much as San Francisco but pretty hilly anyways) so that just 
compounds things.  How much snow did you get at your place Chrispy Chris!

So I guess everybody on the West Coast (U.S.) got some of it.




sometime later

johnnyhatesthesnowinseattleandwouldratherhaveitstayinthemountains.
From: aglgrad@sdphu1.ucsd.edu (A Garret Lisi)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: first surf injury
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:52:14 GMT
Organization: Physics Department, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdphu1.ucsd.edu

Surf injuries.
Well, my girlfriend and I have a running joke about places she can't touch.
"Ouch! That's a cut from a skeg last week...
Ow! Not there, that got dragged over the reef yesterday..."
So, you must understand that, unless you're ultra-conservative,
shit happens.

The solution:
Invest in a gallon drum of Neosporin and

keep surfing,
Garrett
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: g9024557@cc.uow.edu.au (James Phillip ANDREW)
Subject: Bells
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 02:21:50 GMT

I met up with Lud on the weekend for a late afternoon surf at Bells
having previously nailed myself with the flu and two parties. Lud kindly 
provided a 7' 2" cruiser, just right for my state of mind and body. 
The wind was light offshore and the sets head-high but perhaps
a little inconsistent. The sunset was superb: there was a break
in the clouds above the Bells Cliffs where the sun was going down;
the light was soft and the waves were being gently fanned by the
offshore. Filth! Foul! Thanks for the board Lud, until next time

Jim.
From: ludwig@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Ludwig Omachen)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re:Surfing Injuries
Date: 16 Dec 1992 22:36:21 GMT
Organization: Deakin University, Geelong, Australia
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aragorn.cm.deakin.oz.au

G'Day Gang, here is another surf injury story I've been asked to 
post.
 


>From: DOBRIN@bss2.umd.edu
>Date:         16 Dec 92 10:28:41 EDT
>Subject:      surf injury
>Priority:     normal
>X-Mailer:     Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R4).

>I cannot post from my network, just read them, so please forgive the
>intrusion.  I had a wipeout that still scares me, and if no other
>stories top this, could you post it?
>?I was at Melbourne or Indiatlantic (FLA) riding 6-8 footers last
>christmas with my brother when I couldn't bail out (brother on one
>side, big pipe coming out of the water on another) and I had to hit
>shore.  I tried jumping off ( 8'9 supermini, 20 some years old, very
>solid) but my board flipped, impaled the nose in the sand, and the
>fin went up my ass, and broke off.  Had I not had a wetsuit on, it
>would've come out my mouth.  Or if it hit my balls...  Anyway, I
>won't get close to shallow water anymore.
>
>Pasta.

Is this where the term "Scared shitless" comes from ?  :-(, sorry,
don't mean to make fun of your injury, just a thought that crossed my
mind.

Cheers, keep surfing, that's if you can keep your mind on the wave,
not what may happen if you blow it :-),
Lud.
From: prich@monk (Paul Richardson)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: A bunch of questions
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:18:21 GMT

I was once a member of the surfing tribe years ago.Actually a southbay (L.A.)
boy.I am considering starting to surf again and have a number of questions.
For you surfers over 28 or so a number of my questions might bring back
some fond memories

1) The last time I purchased a wetsuit the ONeill "Animal Skin" was
   the cold water suit to have, 1/8 thing, zippered up the back.It seemed
   to work fine in water down to about 55 degrees F.What is the equivalent
   suit these days

2) The last board I bough was a 6' 10" winged pintail (single fin).Shaped
   by Becker in the late 70's.I am wondering if it is possible to get some 
   thing which handles like the Old Clyde Beatty Rocketfishes w/o the
   squirreliness that the Rocketfish had on steeper waves.I discovered
   this at 18th street in Newport Beach around 1979.

3) Is Phil Becker, or his associates still the shaper to have.
   What are prices of boards like these days

thanx in advance

PS - Anyone heard o fJaps Cove in California ???

--

/pgr

She's got Jungle Fevah... - Stevie
email: Paul_Richardson@next.com
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: kieffer@spf.trw.com (Robert Kieffer)
Subject: Re: first surf injury
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 14:35:03 GMT

In article <BzAFzn.3Hu@casper.cs.uct.ac.za> roland@sun-2.cs.uct.ac.za  
(Roland Paterson-Jones) writes:
> My favourite is a diagonal slash across the top of my instep. I've never
> quite worked out why or when I do it, but it's happened at least fifteen  
times
> (I've only surfed for 3-odd years), and is not at all wipe-out related.  
I
> suspect I drag my feet past the fins when standing, but that seems to  
require
> more contortionism that I give myself credit.
> 

If you're like me, it's usually from when you get munched by a wave while  
paddling out and wrap your legs around the board to control it.  Your  
feet'll get cut by the fins fairly frequently this way.  I've only done  
this once, about three years ago when I first started surfing... funny  
thing though, it never seems to heal! ;^)

Robert Kieffer
kieffer@spf.trw.com
From: mike_r@nic.cerf.net (Mike Roberts)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Three to four and offshore
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:55:54 GMT
Organization: CERFnet
NNTP-Posting-Host: nic.cerf.net

In article <1gqmskINNiu2@fido.asd.sgi.com> airey@woof.asd.sgi.com (John Airey) writes:
>
>    Indeed. Use the trick of blasting your car heater into your arm and 
>    legholes on the wetsuit, so you can at least start off warm.
>

Real hardcores use the exhaust ....

Especially those who drive VW's (?!)

Mike
"A brit in yank land"

Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: allen@melotta.unc.edu (Tom Allen)
Subject: Re: first surf injury
Reply-To: allen@melotta.unc.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:25:34 GMT


My first significant injury happened when I was learning. I'd just bought a new 
board, a 5'10", and was out on a crowded weekend afternoon.  I was paddling out into
about chest-high waves, all the time just staring down at the deck of my awesome new
board....BAM!..the lip of a wave had broken just in front of me, pushing the deck of 
my board directly into my nose with a powerful force.  OF course, I was suddenly 
humbled.  It was like getting sucker-punched!  

One of my buds had an injury, and it was more humiliating than painful.  His 7'10"
pearled in about waist-high water as he was dropping into a wave.  The board kept going
straight down until it hit bottom and started to be turned straight up and down.  Home
boy slid down the top of the board, plowing his face into the water and on down to the
sandy bottom.  He emerged from the wipeout spitting sand and holding his fractured 
nose!  Of course, it had to happen on about the most babe-crowded beach day of summer.

Tom Allen
NC
From: horeff@cirrus.com (Steve Horeff)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: first surf injury
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:59:54 GMT
Organization: Cirrus Logic

That reminds me of psuedo-injury I got when I first started surfing ten years 
ago on the Central Coast, CA.  I didn't wear booties back then and I had this 
nasty habit of dragging the top of my back foot across the deck as jumped to 
my feet for a wave.  After a while, a large knob developed on the top of my 
foot.  If I surfed for a few days in a row it would get even more swollen.  
Anyway, as I got better, I stopped getting to my feet that way and the problem 
went away. 

Steve
From: p-kun@blacklabel.Japan.Sun.COM (Kevin Parrington - Nihon Sun Logistics)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: New Reader
Date: 15 Dec 1992 03:57:15 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: blacklabel.japan.sun.com



Bill,

 	"Glad to have ya' on board..." 

	This has  been an un-official welcome from a fellow
	reader/poster of alt.surfing...actually I'm a 
	bodyboarder (bb'r).

kp


Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: allen@geosun.unc.edu (Tom Allen)
Subject: Re: East Coast Storm
Reply-To: allen@geosun.unc.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:54:04 GMT


In article 25328@wam.umd.edu, carrie@wam.umd.edu (Carrie Lynn Leonard) writes:
>I was wondering if anyone got a chance to head over to the beaches this weekend
>to check out the storm.  The pictures on the news of the Deleware coast were
>quite impressive.  Since I'm new to the area I was curious as too how much
>beach is going tobe lost to a storm like this.  Is beach erosion a common
>occurance out here?  Just curious - I wish I would've had time to check the
>scene out myself.  I HATE FINALS WEEK!!!
>
>Carrie
>
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>|   Carrie Leonard                         |                               |   
>|   Marine-Estuarine-Environmental-Science |   Respect the Beach           |
>|   University of Maryland                 |                               |
>|   carrie@wam.umd.edu                     |                               |
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------


The Outer Banks from Nags Head to Hatteras was goin' off, so I suppose there were
waves from Va. Beach to Hatteras.  Last I heard the storm was chewing away ALOT of
beach.  Since all we have are sand bars, you can bet that alot of the breaks will be
really screwed up after the storm- moving alot of sand offshore in my past experience.
Still, I can put up with shifting sands for some good waves.  On the Outer Banks I 
think we've lost a few more cottages, nothing new.  A south swell ought to build as 
the next front approaches- and warmer weather, too!  Need I say more...?

Tom Allen
Geography
Univ. North Carolina
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: kieffer@spf.trw.com (Robert Kieffer)
Subject: Re: Surf mailing list (was Re: HELLLP)
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 18:57:53 GMT

In article <1g8fklINN5n2@sol.deakin.OZ.AU> ludwig@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Ludwig  
Omachen) writes:
> Yeh, its just before "alt.Yuk.Yank.Tasteless.pictures" :-),
> were still waiting here down under for some gifs to see what you 
> seppo's look like :-;
> 

All right, all right... Give me a day or two to dig something up that  
won't put you guys to too much shame! :^)

> Cheers, keep surfing 
> Lud.
> 
> PS, no surf at Bells :-(, still.
> 
> PPS, only 2 weeks to go and I'm off work for 5 months leave, with
> nothing to do except surf, :-) :-) :-), and maybe finish  my 
> shaping machine if there is time inbetween waves.

Cool!  Let me know how that shaping machine comes out...  It'd be nice to  
have a way to duplicate all those perfect dings I've got in my current  
board!

- Bob
From: ludwig@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Ludwig Omachen)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: first surf injury
Date: 15 Dec 1992 22:50:41 GMT
Organization: Deakin University, Geelong, Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: aragorn.cm.deakin.oz.au

In article <28527@oasys.dt.navy.mil> kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat) writes:
>I have cut my ankle and my hand (while covering my head) with a fin.
>Nothing good enough for stitches. I figure I'll keep goin' for more
>until I have a fatal injury, then I'll back off.  Its all part of the
>thang.  Sorry about the wetsuit, they aren't cheap. You'll heal and
>be back.
>

In 28 years of surfing, my surf Injuries tally (disregarding minor
cuts and bruises) is broken nose, twice :-(, 
about 3 lots of cuts around the head which needed stitches, and
one close call where the fin impaled itself in the bridge of my nose,
just missing my eye, and snapping off the last inch of the fin.
I'd gone for a reo and fell of backwards down the face of the wave, in
effect bodysurfing on my back and looking up at the wave, the board
had gone over the back of the wave, but the legrope pulled it back,
and it got sucked over with the lip, fins first, with me as the target.

I seem to average something that needs stitches about once every five
years.

Cheers, keep surfing,
Lud.
From: creutz@cco.caltech.edu (Michael John Creutz)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: first surf injury
Date: 18 Dec 1992 02:28:34 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu
Summary: Solana caves

This discussion of surf injuries is fun.  

About 30 years ago we used to enjoy going into the Solana Beach caves
at high tide.  A few hundred meters north of the pillbox is one that is
about a meter and a half high that fills up completely during waves at
a very high tide.  We used to try to wedge ourselves into the back
at such a time.  One wave broke me loose from my grip, and my back
got somewhat scraped up.  On finding blood on my sheets, our housekeeper
was sure we had bedbugs.


These high tides can be a lot of fun.  We used to jump off the cliff into
a reflecting wave and bodysurf it out until it collided with an incoming
one.  Try it, you'll like it. 

Mike





Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: bud@paradise.pegasus.com (Bud Carlson)
Subject: Re: Nigel .gif file part 3?
Content-Type: text
Organization: Paradise Isle Computing Services (Postnews Server)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:44:09 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL13]
Content-Length: 802       

The Message you (Brian Kiviat) sent me contained:
> 
> I never received the nigel.gif part 3 of 6 file?
> Could somebody please send it to me.
> Thanks,
> 
> Brian
> 
Brian, 

I would be glad to resend it to you, but by now you probably already have
a dozen copies in your mailbox. In the future if you need a piece that was
either corrupted or never arrived, send the request to me and not the entire
list. The list has over 70 members and its still growing and I'd hate to
think that you would end up with 70 copies of the same file ......

I'll wait to find out how many people helped out before I send it to you !!!!

Aloha

....Bud

-- 
Bud Carlson             Network & System Manager   Paradise Isle Computing
bud@isle.pegasus.com      Big Island of Hawaii       808-965-6190
"Erase that indelibly from your memory."
From: danny@suned1.Nswses.Navy.Mil (Danny Z Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Nov Stats (don't read Keith)
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:00:56 GMT
Organization: NSWSES Code 4g13 - Opinions: None
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For those of you that care, here are the November Stats.

Alt.surfing came in at # 1286.  We had 153 posts last month
(the lowest since I've been keeping track).

In the sample that was polled, there was 219 readers last
month. When that is extrapolated, there was an estimated
7500 readers  of alt.surfers last month.  There seems to be
a lot of lurkers (wanabees?) out there.

Danny

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: DENNIS_@NCSU.EDU (DGA)
Subject: Re: first surf injury
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:19:19 GMT

In article <1goe7uINN3h8@news.cerf.net> mike_r@nic.cerf.net (Mike Roberts) writes:
>From: mike_r@nic.cerf.net (Mike Roberts)
>Subject: Re: first surf injury
>Date: 16 Dec 92 23:31:10 GMT
>Ahha, all these nasty injury stories remind me of my worst ever session.
>See, I took off on this huge gnarly wave when all of a sudden the bottom
>drops out of it an I'm thrown onto bare gnarly reef which removed 50%
>of my skin. After being leach dragged over a huge underwater rock,
>I was thrown into a cave full of fire coral. Finally after at least
>10 sets had passed and I had been breathing water for 5 minutes I 
>got out an swam to the surface where a shark took off my leg. I wipped
>out my trusty knife and did battle with the creature. Eventually I 
>prevailed and cut into its stomach to recover my leg.
>
>Then I swam back to shore. While getting out I forgot to shuffle my
>feet and trod on a stingray.
>
>I was admitted to hospital and luckily they managed to reattach my
>leg, so I'm just fine now.
>
>Mike
>"A brit in yankland"


Mike,

I can't believe you let a few inconveniences spoil your day surfing.  Geez! 
You Brits can be such wimps.

DGA
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: DENNIS_@NCSU.EDU (DGA)
Subject: Re: first surf injury
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:40:45 GMT

My first injury: 1967.  St. Augustine, Fl.  First attempt.  First wave.  
While lying on the board a nice wave came up from the rear (at least that 
part was right!) and dumped me down the front of the board and off. I caught 
the top of both feet on the back edge of the board as I slid off, and 
"crack", "crack".  The top of both feet were mangled.  Seems I hadn't been 
clued in about this wax that keeps you from slipping off your board.

Like ANY surfer, who has survived this long, I have small scars all over the 
place from fin cuts, and a bit of arthritis from being twisted into 
positions that allowed me to see the back of my head.

My favorite injury occured a couple of years ago.  I was surfing with a 
small group of friends in 42 degree water.  I had been enjoying 3'-5' waves 
for about 45 min. when a really sweet 7-8 footer rolled in and promptly 
dumped me, head first into 3-4 feet of water.  I was so cold that I couldn't 
ball up or put my hands out.  I managed to scrape a good chunk of skin off 
my forehead and totally disorient myself before I floated up and caught 
my board.  When I got to shore, I was covered in blood.  It was all in my 
face and down the front of my wetsuit.  Real impressive.

Oldest Son's First: Labor Day, 1991, Whaler Inn, NC.  12 years old.  Riding 
3' shore break.  Went off board forward into NO water.  Fell on hand, when 
he got up his thumb was at wrist level.  Spent the day learning about 
primative medical techniques and Carteret General.

Youngest Son's First: June, 1991, Iron Steamer, NC. 9 years old.  Enjoying 
nice little 3 footers.  Was run over, bruised and battered by little-prick-
hot-shit-way-too-cool-aggro-asshole (language reserved for this specific 
surfing phenomenon).  Also resulted in first injury to little-prick-hot-shit-
way-to-cool-aggro-asshole from mad-as-hell-wild man from way back-protecting 
his young-father.  Hah! Love those big boards.

You just got to love it!  DGA
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:55:14 -0500 
From: Craig Baker Robinson <cr1v+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: South Bay???

I am going HOME!!!

Back to Huntington Beach and was just curious what the outlook is?

I have been in Pittsburgh since summer, way back in August, and have
no clue what the scene is at home.  If there is anyone out there who knows,
please drop a line.

Thanks...

Craig 
	"The only thing left to do now is graduate and move back to Cali..."
		Robinson

Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: allen@geosun.unc.edu (Tom Allen)
Subject: Re: East Coast Storm
Reply-To: allen@geosun.unc.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:54:35 GMT


In article 25328@wam.umd.edu, carrie@wam.umd.edu (Carrie Lynn Leonard) writes:
>I was wondering if anyone got a chance to head over to the beaches this weekend
>to check out the storm.  The pictures on the news of the Deleware coast were
>quite impressive.  Since I'm new to the area I was curious as too how much
>beach is going tobe lost to a storm like this.  Is beach erosion a common
>occurance out here?  Just curious - I wish I would've had time to check the
>scene out myself.  I HATE FINALS WEEK!!!
>
>Carrie
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>|   Carrie Leonard                         |                               |   
>|   Marine-Estuarine-Environmental-Science |   Respect the Beach           |
>|   University of Maryland                 |                               |
>|   carrie@wam.umd.edu                     |                               |
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------


The Outer Banks from Nags Head to Hatteras was goin' off, so I suppose there were
waves from Va. Beach to Hatteras.  Last I heard the storm was chewing away ALOT of
beach.  Since all we have are sand bars, you can bet that alot of the breaks will be
really screwed up after the storm- moving alot of sand offshore in my past experience.
Still, I can put up with shifting sands for some good waves.  On the Outer Banks I 
think we've lost a few more cottages, nothing new.  A south swell ought to build as 
the next front approaches- and warmer weather, too!  Need I say more...?

Tom Allen
Geography
Univ. North Carolina
From: andy@elviss.Eng.Sun.COM (Andrew Davidson)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: surf vacations
Date: 17 Dec 1992 00:05:20 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: elviss

Hi all
    next year, probably around xmas, my wife and I want to take a nice
long vacation some where tropical and exotic. Obviously it would be
great if this place had some good surf. I am looking for
recommendations for places to go, and good travel agents in the Santa
Cruz, San Jose area. (by good I mean someone who knows something about
surfing) We where thinking about Fiji or some place like that. Ideally
this place would be easy to get to from the San Fran area, off the
beaten track and affordable.

thanks in advance
Andy