HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Mailing address for Mr. Steve Lin
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:47:15 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

s075198@mercury.carleton.ca (Jun Liu) writes:

>In <97589@bu.edu> lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:

>>Thank Mr. Lin for his promise. Here is the mailing address
>>for donation to school kids in rural China:

>>Ms. Jie Kang
>>2610 E. 5 pl, Apt.1,
>>TULSA, OK 74104

>>Please make your check payable to:

>>China SOS Education Fund

>Applaud for your efforts!

>However, have we thought of the following facts: in 1991, when
>all major millitary powers were enjoying the peace dividend, the 
>Chinses millitary expenses increased more than 12% and education
>and research increased less than 5%? University enrollment was 
>kept unchanged! You may say I am cynical, but with a good reason.

Sounds like: a child fell into a river from a bridge, a man bravely jumped
into the river to save the child, a man stood by blaming who is responsible
for the poor bridge. And I don't know how to swim if you are going to blame
me.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 30 Sep 1992 23:00:33 CDT
From: <U21885@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Looking for Liao Hai-Fan

My friend who is from Chang Ting   ----
Fu Jian province                     |
                                  /  |
      is looking for

       Liao Hai - Fan
=============================================
 Liao Hai-Fan  once studied at Zhe Jiang University
               and studied & worked at Shang Hai Jiao Tong University
               Please e-mail to your friend Mr. Li :
                                             LI2@BERT.EECS.UIC.EDU
               or call him :  (312) 842-2910
===============================================================
This is borrowed account
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Hello
From: shaohui@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 26 Sep 92 22:33:29 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

Hello, everyone. I am a new netter. This is hjest a test.exit

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang)
Subject: Re: Mailing address for Mr. Steve Lin
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:08:39 GMT

In article <ld1e3eINNp5v@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>>
>>>>>Please make your check payable to:
>>>>>China SOS Education Fund
>>
>Do not mail your check to Steve!
>Do not follow up with this subject!
>
>Please provide more information what kind of children need help?`
>What kind of help needed?
>
>I thought to adopt some children, but I worry that they become CCP. :-)

This guy sounds so much like McCarthy, I wonder if he is the adopted
son of McCarthy!

I just don't understand why you and Carl are so cynical about China 
until now. I thought you guys had psycho problems. Now I see.
From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:56:14 GMT
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA

In article <BvGqD5.HuC@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang
Yuanxin) writes:

|>  I borrowed 4 books about Korean war from Chicago public library monthes
|> ago, at least two of them mentioned the POW incident, very very close to
|> what I heared in China. Also, I found that books published after 1980
|> are more reliable, less propaganda. 
|>  If you wanto know the books names I borrowed, I can give you next week,

Why next week? Let us have it now.
You can also help by quote what you think is important to know.
From: tc2u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tieju Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Date: 27 Sep 92 01:18:19 GMT
	<1992Sep25.212552.5149@news.acns.nwu.edu>
Organization: Masters student, Information Networking Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.china: 25-Sep-92 Re: ROC vs PRC Usenet
on news.acns@news (1838)

> In article <92Sep25.144818edt.128@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>
> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu  
> (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
> > In article <lc6l2sINNmt4@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM  
> (Steven Lin) writes:
> > [......] 
> > >
> > >These two great shows never happened in Chinese history. These two
> > >demos ended up with two complete different results. A lot of people
> > 
> > The only difference is, Mr. Jiang was not alive and in charge in 1990,
> > and unfortunately, his CCP brother comrades of his generation are still  
> alive, 
> > If Jiang learned some yahoos cut down his flag pole on the square, and make
> > his officials look like a bunch of asses don't be surprised if he sends in 
> > the tank and make a couple of meat pies too.  After a strong man died, 
> > the successors of the "post-strong man" area will always look nicer, 
> > once the same generation of people on the mainland passed away, the mainland 
> > will enter the same era too.  
> > 

> No, it is not correct. Li Peng is not very old but I bet he would be
> even worse   
> than Jiang had he had bigger power. I think the proplem is, in PRC,
> people have  
> been educated in a wrong way. Remember Mao said "it's a great pleasure
> to fight  
> against the sky, the earth and people". Mainland people have been educated in  
> this way and thus some of them become very cruel and inhumane. This kind of  
> brutality occurs when Chinese troop "entered" Vietnam. I have quite some  
> friends in the army and they told me that Chinese soldier also killed  
> civilians. In fact, in some case, all the people in a viliage were killed  
> because of their opposition. Any difference between Japanese soldiers in WWII?

> It's sort of puzzled me why some mainlanders try so hard to find excuse
> for CCP  
> when they come out China? I think maybe it is because they love China. But  
> China does not equal to CG.

> Carl

Carl, you mis-quoted Chair Mao, "it's a great pleasure to fight  against
the sky, the earth and people". 

	The "People should be 'the class enemies' instead". But the fact  is
that it is up to the CCP to define who are the 'class enemies'. So this
made it no difference between the original words and the one that you
quoted.

Tie ju
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:14:31 GMT
    <BvLs1p.JCM@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <1992Oct4.201936.15899@ms.uky.edu> 
    <BvMo1M.KF7@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:

>In article <1992Oct4.201936.15899@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:

>>You said something about "China" in a different way than a Chinese would do.

>You really confused me. What is your definition of a Chinese?
>What is the way a Chinese would do? I think a Chinese is just
>any people in the world.

If you are a Chinese, you know the definition of Chinese. There are no one
billion definitions. And it is not any people in the world.
When I talking about Chinese, I do not say I am for all Chinese. When I say
you do not sound like Chinese, I don't say you are good or bad.
Don't drunk and drive.

> When Jane Fonder was sitting on the
>anti-aircraft-gun in Vietnam, was she behaving the way an American
>would not have done?

>Sometimes, I think other people have stronger feeling to Chinese people 
>than the so-called Chinese who, after slaughtered so many innocent Chinese
>people, still claim they were justified.

>If you define that as Chinese, to be honest, I would be ashamed.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 10:51:23 EDT
From: <JXL124@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Two stories.( Re:Learn from Lei Feng)

Here is another story about Lei Feng:  After the Party annouced its policy of
focusing on (hen zhua) the four modernization, Lei Feng's platoon exhibited
something new  in their Lei Feng Exhibition: Lei Feng's leather jacket.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:26956 talk.politics.china:1648
From: liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Do Something For Yourself, Guys--Protection Bill.
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:29:13 GMT
Organization: New York University

129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes:

>In article <1992Oct5.122915.13035@ms.uky.edu>, gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
>writes:
>> 
>> 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes:
>> 
>> >the reason I came to here.  Du4 Fu3 (Tang dynasty poet) said "where I can
>> >find millions houses to shelter all poor CSS in the world." (an1 de2 da4
>> >xia4 qian1 wan4 jian1, guang3 pi4 tien1 xia4 han2 shi4 jin4 huan1 yan2).  I
>>  ^^^^ should this be sha4?
>> 	Some netters said this kind of thought in the culture made China
>> 	poor. I guess you must not agree with them.
>> >like this poet, and this is what I want to say.  Do not distort my point. 
>> 
>> 

>Very interesting!  In Taiwan, most people read this character as "xia". I
>heard some people read it as "sha", but not very frequently.  Similar to
>ShenZhen - a new city new HongKong, people pronounce it as ShenJun in
>Taiwan. Any other
>examples?

How about "shuo1fu2" (to persuade) and "shui4fu2"?

- Li, Qiang
From: r2yh2@vax1.cc.uakron.edu (Yang Hu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: New topic: What do you eat and how do you prepare your food?
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:13:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct5.211327.24794
Organization: The University of Akron, Akron, Ohio

In article <1992Oct5.204354.8220@linus.mitre.org> 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes:
>What a great idea!  I like this topic.  I also noticed that each HXWZ has a
>paragraph about cooking recipe.  Unfortunately, you can not subscribe this
>recipe only.  You have to subscribe the whole HXWZ.  The rest part of the
>HXWZ just like KMTs commercial, at least for me.  I do not like it, so I
>did not subscribe it.  If somebody can share his cooking experence for us, 
>I think it can help us a lot. 
>Thanks!!!

Chao:
I am a regular read of HXWZ. It's not too political stuff. Not like you said
" just like KMTs commercial ".  I know a lot of chinese student in this campus
 read HXWZ and they all like it.


-- 
Yang Hu                       
Dept of Civil Eng
The U of Akron
Akron, OH 44325
From: wja@math.psu.edu (Jan An Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: "Long time no see!" -- Is it Chinese?
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:34:18 GMT
Organization: Chinses Basketball Club, The Pennsylvania State University

In article <Bv919p.A47@cs.psu.edu> echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>In article <9209262155.aa29962@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu> dzhuo@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Dongpei Zhuo) writes:
>>I have often heard the phrase "long time no see" recently (not by Chinese
>>people). Has anybody else heard it? It sounds like a
>>literal translation of Chinese "Duo1 Ri4 Bu2 Jian4" or "Hao2 Jiu3 Bu2 Jian4",
>>and it does not sound pure English (grammatically). Is it Chinese at all?
>
>
>	According to a famous American author who wrote in "Glory and Dreams"
>(or something like that, I read it in Chinese translation).  The term
>"long time no see" is indeed Chinese origin, being brought back by
>American GIs in World War II era.
>
>
>	 Eddie
>
>

Remember that I read a book written by Prof. Qian(money) Ge(song) Chuan(river)
long time ago( can not remember the name of it ). "Long Time No See" is really
native American English while many thought it was not.

--Jianan
From: jamesou@liverbug.hsc.usc.edu (James Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Poor Man (Was Re: Oct. 1, Greedcard, and Others)
Date: 3 Oct 1992 17:27:30 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: liverbug.hsc.usc.edu

In <15940@mindlink.bc.ca>, Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
writes:

>    In article <97474@bu.edu> (3 Oct 92) Xiaowen Li writes,
>> In article <9210030252.AA15055@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
>> writes:
>>
>>>    Lix writes:
>>>
>>>    "pi3 fu1 wu2 zui4, huai2 bi4 qi2 zui4."
>>>    ( the horse man is not a criminal, his jade is)
>>
>> Wrong translation.  It should be "A horse of man",
>
>    What are you guys doing?  Another round of "misinformation"?  :-)
>
>    Pi3 Fu1 (man) should be used together with Pi3 Fu4 (woman), as said by
>Dr. Johnny.  Pi3 Fu1 Pi3 Fu4 means a man who is too poor that he can only
>afford to mate a woman.  So the correct translation is:
>
>    It is not a crime to marry only _a_ woman,
>    unless you do have money (jade) to take more.

Gosh, this is really interesting. So "Pi3 Fu4 Pi3 Fu1" means a
woman who is too poor that she can only afford to mate a man?
Darn! So you mean that I have got it wrong all these years?  :-) :-)

I guess base on the new definition I leaned today, then "Pi3 Fu1
Zhi1 Yong3" does not mean "the bravery of an idiot" but, instead,
means "the bravery of a poor man [to mate a woman]".  :-)

BTW, why is it pronounced as "Pi3" any way? Why isn't is
pronounced as "Pi1"? I know we say "Yi4 Pi3 Bu4" (a piece of
cloth), but don't we say "Yi4 Pi1 Ma3" (a horse)?


*****Si3 You3 Zhong4 Yu2 Tai4 San1, You3 Qing1 Yu2 Hong2 Mao2.
(The value of one's death can weigh more than the Tai mountain or less
than a feather.)
From: xuxianz@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Xuxian Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 2 Oct 1992 14:03:49 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phad.hsc.usc.edu

You are right. Someone just want to show their faith to ccp so that they can get some benefit after they come home. I saw this kind of people for long time. They drink chinese people's blood but also prentend they like China. 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Mailing address for Mr. Steve Lin
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:38:42 GMT

In article <ld1e3eINNp5v@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>>
>>>>>Please make your check payable to:
>>>>>China SOS Education Fund
>>
>Do not mail your check to Steve!
>Do not follow up with this subject!
>
>Please provide more information what kind of children need help?`
>What kind of help needed?
>
>I thought to adopt some children, but I worry that they become CCP. :-)

Neither is a good idea for other people, sometimes I think a CCP is
better than a rumor spreader.

Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: haiyi@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Hai Yi)
Subject: Re: HELP! TEXT of the BILL!!!
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:09:07 GMT

From article <1992Sep26.174939.15738@wam.umd.edu>, by liuxia@wam.umd.edu (New VaxHacker):
> 
> Could some one please send me a copy of the bill just 
> passed by the Senate? I think I saved but can't find
> it any more. 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Liu Xia
> 

	Could you send me a copy if you have received the bill?
Thank you.
From: hsue@ellis.uchicago.edu (marc jacobson)
Subject: Help Wanted: Stochastic Dynammic Programming
Reply-To: hsue@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: none to speak of
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:16:48 GMT

Hi,

I am posting stochastic dynamic programming problems which I seek help.
If you are an expert in the filed, would you please email me whatever
suggestions and ideas you have.  Thank you very much in advance.

P.S.
The problems in Latex file in on the next post.


Cheers
From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: welcome message
Date: 26 Sep 92 15:36:33 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Sep26.153414.59207@cc.usu.edu>, fajack@cc.usu.edu writes:
> 	Chinese delegation is visitng USU, hello to everyone !
> 
	Welcome back

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:26589 soc.culture.taiwan:14063 talk.politics.china:1411
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Do you vote for KMT or CCP ?
Date: 29 Sep 92 07:51:52 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.china
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In the interest of removing the political stuff from the culture
groups, I'm directing followups to talk.politics.china.

In article <24SEP199210350919@mars.lerc.nasa.gov> ioguo@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (OA Guo) writes:
>	Many people comparing today's China with Taiwan under KMT 20-30 
>	years ago, and say giving time CCP will improve and become more
>	democrate.  However, there is fundamental difference in the old 
>	KMT and CCP.  In the old days, while old Jiang was a real dictator
>	KMT still pretended to have the democrate procedure and there are
>	real voting and real challengers (anti-KMT) in every voting ballot.

The CCP also pretends to have real democratic procedures.  Every year
it holds a meeting of the National People's Congress which approves
the laws of the PRC.  The interesting thing is that with each passing
year, NPC delegates have gotten a little bolder in questioning the
government.  Last year, for example, the bill authorizing the Three
Gorges Project was heavily debated, and one third of the delegates
either abstained or voted against the bill.  There was loud opposition
to the Law Concerning PRC Territories by some delegates from
Heilongjiang because it assigned to Russia some disputed territory.

Also the government has on at least one occasion been forced to
withdraw and revise a bill on enterprises because of NPC objections.

So far, the NPC has not challenged the government on a basic policy
issue, but the potential is there, and with each year NPC delegates
are becoming louder and louder.  My guess is that we are about a
decade or so from a "dangwai" movement and fistfights in the Great
Hall of the People.

>	How about CCP, from day 1 CCP took over China, CCP was above the
>	constitution, CCP was above the law, CCP was above the country and
>	its people. 

Several people are trying to bring CCP under the law.  There have been
a few cases in the past year in which a dissident has sued the
government (usually for libel).  So far, no one has won such a suit,
but the fact that such cases are being heard is a step in the right
direction.

Also, you neglect to mention that CCP lost control of the PRC from
about 1965 to 1969.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiaoyu@grumpy.SSC.GOV (Xiaoyu Li)
Subject: Re: Electronic Books
Followup-To: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Keywords: Available on CDROM
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:20:07 GMT

In article <Bv9ELG.JoE@math.uwaterloo.ca>, rzhu@math.uwaterloo.ca (Rupert Zhu) writes:
> 
>                      List of Electronic Books
>                Accessible from University of Waterloo
> 1.  Search Electronic Books <?>
> 2.  1990 USA Census Information/
> 3.  Aesop's Fables/
> .......

Discovery of another New World by Rupert? :-)

In fact, much more titles are included, if you buy the "Desktop
Library CDROM" for $39.95 from

	Walnut Creek CDROM
	1547 Palos Verdes Mall, Suite 260
	Walnut Creek, CA 94596, USA
	Phone: 1-800-786-9907

No, I'm not related with them but just a satisfactory customer. :-)
I'm buying one myself. They'll send you their catelog for other
CDROMs as well when shipping your order.

-- 
Xiaoyu Li
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:04:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.171507.29459@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
> 
> >>Remains of Yue4 Fei1 and Qin2 Hui4.
> 
> >What have this to do with Yue Fei and Qin Hui? I guess modern China
> >needs neither of them.
> 
> Unfortunately you always have these kind of people.

Yes, there are always these two kinds of people, ultra-leftests and  
ultra-rightests, just like there are always beggars, prostitutes and  
religiously crazy people in a society. But this does not mean these people are  
the treasure of a society.

Carl
From: zl@apollo.hp.com
Subject: Re: Unzip, Electronic Book, FTP Site
Originator: zl@pace
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:14:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, MA

ziniuwei@cs.buffalo.edu wrote:

>The IP address if OAK.OAKLAND.EDU is 141.210.10.117.  In fact you cat just try
>to telnet to the machine, and it will tell you "Trying 141.210.10.117 ...".
>That's very easy.  If you are familiar with BSD socket programming, you can 
>write a program looking for the IP address from a Internet domain name.
            
I can't help to say sth of technical correctness even though it might not
belong to this group 8:)
1. What you said is correct only if the naming server runing on your
machine can resolve the name, or, /etc/hosts has an entry of the name
you want to resolve - but this is not the case on some sites.
2. BSD socket interface resolves a name by looking at /etc/hosts or
asking others name space servers. Thus if /etc/hosts or name servers
are not setup properly on your machine, socket programming doesn't 
give you any privillege in looking up a name.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Protection Bill
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:57:17 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <1a9vdeINNkg6@.usc.edu> zyou@phakt.usc.edu (Zhongbai You) writes:
>
>  China does need these CSS. 
>
>The CSS in US are right in their prime time (late 20s to middle 30s). They
>are brain power. They can bring back knowledge if not immediate profit.
>They can at least teach and research at university, if can not make money.
>Besides they speak English, understand West, which could make them a good 
>representive to the West. The list can be very long.
>
>  Remmember, they are young.

The so called protection bill is about giving the people it covers the
freedom to stay or to go back to China. China as a country needs these 
people or not is irrelevant to these people, because there are plenty of 
examples that people whom China needs got jailed or killed. 

The moral dilemma does exist for those who got paid by Chinese government.
But personal safety far out weights the obligations; after all it's all
the Chinese government's fault.
 
>Z.You
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