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From: v113np2v@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (George D Emmons)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: More Boba Lines
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:19:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92352.171637GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>, GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu writes...
>Actually, these are the complete lines of Boba Fett:
> 
>"As you wish."
>"He's no good to me dead."
>"What if he doesn't survive?  He's worth a lot to me."
>"Put Captain Solo in the cargo hold."

Actually, He says, "What the-" before he gets hit by Solo on the skiff...
Then he says...

>"Auuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh!"

                                            George...
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From: carolan@owlnet.rice.edu (Bryan Carolan Dunne)
Subject: Re: why don't all you star wars fans get a life
Followup-To: a nerf-herder
Organization: Rice University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:09:44 GMT

Excuse me, buddy, but Star Wars was one of the most important parts of my
early childhood.  I first saw it was I was five, and ROTJ came out when I was
11.  Like every other kid on my block, I was comsumed in my fascination for
it.  Now, I enjoy discussing some parts of it with mutual fans across the
world, and I like getting updates on all of the NEW Star Wars projects.
Like Zahn's books, Dark Empire comic series, X-Wing, and the possibility of
new movies that I can let my children enjoy as much as I did (I might have
some by 1997)

Now to flame your ignorance, Star Wars was made in 1977.  In reference to the
actors: Harrison Ford - gosh, how many blockbusters has he been in, 15?...
	Carrie Fisher - She was in When Harry Met Sally and The Burbs recently,
                        but she writes movies now (Postcards From The Edge)
	Sir Alec Guiness & Peter Cushing - Only two of Englands finest actors
		        BTW Alec was in Ghandi.
	Mark Hamill - A few British films, but mainly a Broadway star (as in
			playing the TITLE character)
	Warwick Davis (Wicket, the Ewok) - Willow
	Billy Dee Williams - Harvey Dent in the Batman movies

Now go apologize to Lord Vader!
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: New Questions
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:26:36 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Dec15.194801.8651@uvm.edu> cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise) writes:
>	Given the events "revealed" in DSR, this does seem strange.
>I like the idea of the Emporer being so angry that DV allowed the
>Death Star to be destroyed that he ripped his arm off, but it doesn't
>really co-incide with someone he'd entrust that much power into...

Why not?  Vader is REALLY powerful, and the Emperor knows it (maybe not
as powerful as Palpatine, but he could pose a threat if he turned 
against Pal.).  And if he's WILLINGLY working for you, why not
entrust him with power?  Sure, he let the Death Star get destroyed.
So Pal ripped his hand (not arm, I don't think) off to let him
know that he had best not mess up again.

-- 
Brian Perler			bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu
"I wanna decide who lives and who dies"
	-Crow T. Robot, "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians," MST3K
From: shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Future Movies
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:13:51 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Dec16.190735.27680@muddcs.claremont.edu> abaker@jarthur.claremont.edu (The Evil One) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.225113.17799@ll.mit.edu> shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec11.090236.16737@anasazi.com> rickard@anasazi.com (Ronald J. Rickard Jr) writes:
>>
>>>Okay, I have one question and a wish for the future movies.  My question is
>>>does anyone know of any reference besides the Ewoks and C3PO to there being
>>>a god/gods in the Star Wars Trilogy?
>>
>>In ANH, C3PO thanks the "maker" for getting an oil bath (after being purchased
>>by Luke and Owen)
>
>Maybe he meant the maker of the oil bath itself.  ie the manufacturer.
>
>The Evil One

picky, picky. Ok, I'll give a few more examples:

While our heros are heaving some garbage problems in ANH, C3PO says (to R2D2):
   "Thank goodness, they haven't found them! Where could they be?"

In ESB, (guess when) C3PO says:
   "Oh, thank goodness we're coming out of the asteroid field"

In ROJ, when C3PO gets up after falling from the Ewok net (just before being
recognized as a diety), he says:
   "Oh, my head. Oh, my goodness!"

Also in ROJ, after C3PO ended his jedi-induced flight that scared the Ewok (and
himself), he says:
   "Oh, oh, oh, oh! Thank goodness."

And, after R2D2 was put out of action at the bunker enterance (ROJ), C3PO says:
   "My goodness! Artoo, why did you have to be so brave?"


All in all, I'd say C3PO was a rather religious droid - no wonder he refused
to impersonate a diety :-)


Dan Shoham               shoham@ll.mit.edu
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From: joshuali@sal-sun55.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: What is 'letterbox'?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 10:01:16 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun55.usc.edu

In article <1992Dec14.170104.22909@cc.umontreal.ca> lebeld@JSP.UMontreal.CA (David Lebel) writes:
>
>	Does this version only exist in Laser Disk format, or it can
>be purchased in VHS format?  I recently saw a boxed set of the three movies
>at a HMV disque store here in Montreal, and there was a short note by
>Lucas himself on the box. Is this version the much talked about 'letterbox'?
>If so, I might plunge the required 80$ and buy it... 8-]

BE VERY CAREFUL!!!!!

The boxed you speak of sounds like the OLD trilogy boxed set. I don't think
the LTBX boxed set has a note from Lucas on the outside. 

OLD BOXED SET:  About the size of 3 VHS tapes.

NEW LTBX BOXED SET:  Very large box. About the size of the GONE WITH THE
	WIND boxed set. It has a hologram on the front of the box and
	has "STAR WARS TRILOGY" embossed in blue and red.

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From: trogers@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Hamill the comic collector (was: Hamill's Movie Career...Anyone?)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:45:16 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: trogers@yktvmv.vnet.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In <SS.92Dec18074204@wpi.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
>>>>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:39:33 EST, <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu> said:
>
>GPS108> Mark Hamill *really* has his heart in his Feb. 7 guest stint
>GPS108> as The Trickster supervillain on CBS's The Flash.  The "Star
>GPS108> Wars" hero has been a comic-book collector for 20 years (he
>GPS108> recently sold, along with two partners, an $80,000 Detective
>GPS108> Comics issue No. 27, which introduced Batman), and The Flash
>GPS108> is one of his favorites.  
>
>Mark also wrote a one page introduction to the Batman hard cover
>grahpic novel Son of the Demon, telling how much he loved the
>charector and comics in general.
>
>--
> Scott Streeter                             Visit the Star Wars Archive at
> ss@wpi.wpi.edu                             wpi.wpi.edu       130.215.24.1


That is darn interesting.  Many may remember that Hammill played a character
in an episode of Steven Spielberg's Amazing Stories.  He may have directed
said episode too, but I am not sure.  Can't remember the episode title,
but it was very entertaining.

Hammill, in much makeup, played an old hobo, homeless-type wanderer, going from
town to town in a dusty old car that holds all his personal possesions.  Most
of the episode is a flash-back to this characters young-adult years in which he
is still living with his parents who think he is wasting his time collecting
all sorts of junk comic books, trading cards, etc.  The character saves all his
money to buy a shiney new convertible, and then somehow has a falling out with
his parents and hits the road with everything he owns in said car.  Back to
present day time, we see character in same car, as an old man.

To make a long story short, the character is 'discovered' by some yuppie-types
who notice all the 'treasures' that this crazy old guy has in his car.  They
clean up the guy, his car, and auction off everything.  The old guy becomes
very rich, and I vaguely remember the episode ending with a closeup of the
guy, with tears in his eyes as his classic car is auctioned for *big* bucks.

This is all from memory of course.

Regards,
Tom Rogers
roy@trigger.watson.ibm.com
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From: jort@swi.psy.uva.nl (Jort Okhuijzen)
Subject: Re: Do Vader know Yoda?
Organization: Social Science Informatics
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:15:21 GMT

caine@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dark Lord of the Sith) writes:

>>	Have you noticed that Vader doesn't seem to know that Yoda exist,
>>as each time Vader 'congratulate' Luke for his use of the force, he complete
>>the phrase with 'Obi-Wan tought you well' (or something along those lines
>>as I mostly saw the trilogy in french). From memory, it seems to me that Vader
>>never referenced Yoda as the teacher of Luke; why? Yoda is supposed to be
>>a 'big' player in the Jedi thing, no?

Indeed the books mentioned below give the answer and to be short in this group:
Obi-Wan introduced a young fighterpilot to Yoda, Anakin Skywalker. After
some examination Yoda turned Anakin down as a jedi-to-be.
Obi-Wan obviously disagreed with Yoda and did the Jedi-training himself. What
happened, well, that is known now isn't it?
Basically Yoda knew Anakin Skywalker (hence Darth Vader).

>Read the books "Heir To The Empire" and "Dark Force Rising".  A very good
>explanation of this (why Vader never sensed Yoda).  As for Vader always
>crediting Obi-Wan: I suppose it could be said that Obi-Wan is the one respon-
>sible for getting Luke trained in the first place (remember Hoth?).  Although
>Yoda did the actual training, it was Ben who convinced BOTH of them that it
>was necessary.  Ben was always present in some way (The Force) during the 
>training of Young Skywalker.

>Caine Schneider
>caine@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
>caine@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu
From: k138836@cc.tut.fi (Korhonen Tommi)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Destroyer question
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:15:51 GMT
Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Finland


In <1992Dec11.233325.12731@ll.mit.edu> shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham) writes:

>At the begining of ROJ, Vader takes a shuttle from the SD to the DS. Clearly
>the SD was there for the sole purpose of transporting Vader from wherever he
>was before (Bespin?). A SD, and not a shuttle is used for the mundane task of
>shutteling Vader because he is important enough to demand the amenities of
>a large ship (remeber Air-Sununu, everyone).
>Have it been possible to dock a SD on the DS, the DS - allready dedicated to
>the task of shutteling Vader - would have done so.
>for. They sure look big enough for a SD.

>- What do you guys think?
Perhaps they COULD dock. But only like dry docking? (Is that spelled right?)
Like for maintenance, hull modifications etc. 
And not for just for 'freight dropping'. Just like the sea vessels.

I (yes, just me) think that even the bigger docking bays aren't big enough
for stardestroyers: I will not argue here about the measures, but it 
is said in the novellisations that Star Destroyers are HUGE, so incredibly
big compared to Falcon, that not even those enormous bays could hold
destroyers. 
But: we see only few bays... Perhaps...


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From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Super Star Wars for the NES
Date: 13 Dec 92 11:07:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Dec13.040719.4595
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

(Ahem!)

I am truly amazed at the quality and (obvious) time that went into this
one. Almost makes me want to go out and buy an NES .....Nahhh, no money...

Truly Nice....

Dave
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:33:29 EST
From: <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: "Strike me down" mistake

It is my understanding that the ROTJ script has Luke attempting to attack the
Emperor with his lightsaber after the Emperor says, "Strike me down with all of
your hatred, and your journey towards the dark side will be complete."  But the
way it is depicted in the movie shows Vader's lightsaber closer to the camera
and Luke's closer to the Emperor.  As if Luke was swinging away from the
Emperor rather than toward him.  I'm wondering if this was done on purpose or
if the sabers were just colored the opposite way.  Any insights?

                                                ---Eric
From: goldfoot-josh@yale.edu (Josh A. Goldfoot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Favorite SW Moments
Date: 14 Dec 92 04:18:08 GMT
Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

My favorite SW moment? Keeping in mind that my mentioning of this one moment
in no way is meant to exclude any others..

(Taking this from the RotJ script:)

114  INT EMPEROR'S TOWER - THRONE ROOM                            114
 
     Out of the window and on the view screens, the Rebel fleet is
     being decimated in blinding explosions of light and debris. But
     in here there is no sound of battle. The Emperor turns to Luke.
 
                              EMPEROR
               Your fleet has lost. And your friends on the
               Endor moon will not survive. There is no
               escape, my young apprentice. The Alliance
               will die...as will your friends.
 
     Luke's eyes are full of rage. Vader watches him.
 
                              EMPEROR
               Good. I can feel your anger. I am
               defenseless.  Take your weapon! Strike me
               down with all your hatred, and your journey
               towards the dark side will be complete.
 
     Luke can resist no longer. The lightsaber flies into his hand. He
     ignites it in an instant and swings at the Emperor. Vader's
     lightsaber flashes into view, blocking Luke's blow before it can
     reach the Emperor.

Wow.
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From: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Subject: Re: Toy Memories/Movie Memories (was Memories/FTP Thanks)
Originator: cmgeorg@c00565-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:49:17 GMT


In article <1992Dec13.124434.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>, 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque) writes:
|>
|>     I spent all my allowance in those days collecting all the Star Wars
|>firgures, including the mail-away Boba Fett (damn you Kenner for releasing
|>the toy weeks after I get it in the mail). Anyways, I went out and got the
|>first two series of the toys. In my experience the following things happen to
|>Star Wars action figures.

<experiences deleted>

Thanks for the memories!  I laughed so hard reading that.  It's so true!
Although I can't relate this to my own stuff I can relate it to cousin's,
neighbor's ...  I couldn't bear to even put a scratch on my own figures.
Hell, If anybody even touched them on the stand I would throw a fit!

Aah, these are the days.   Yes, that's THESE......I'm still paranoid
about my toys. 8-)

Until next year!

-chris

 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++                                                                           
 +      Chris Georgoulias                                                    +
 + North Carolina State University                                           +
 +     cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu                                                  +
 +                                                                           +
 + "Aah... who cares about school...who cares about life...who cares about   +
 +  me.  Not me, that's for sure!  Look!...(punches himself in the head)..   +
 +  ...I just don't care!"                                                   +
 +                                       -Vyvian,  The Young Ones            +                                             
 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From: lars4752@mach1.wlu.ca (Bradley Larsen u)
Subject: Re: Questions
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:40:22 GMT

>>Flames Welcomed!
>
>OK, you asked for it...Why, you scum-sucking peahead with a lousy physique,
>skinny little one-man losing streak...you're nothing but a pecil-necked geek.
>Why don't you get a life instead of posting on this loser newsgroup? You
>stuck-up half-witted scruffy-looking nerf-herder. 


Who's scruffy-looking?

Brad Larsen
lars4752@mach1.wlu.ca
>

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From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Subject: Democrat Presidnts and Star Wars
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:39:08 GMT

	Has anyone noticed that A Democrat President (Carter) in office
preceded or was the surroundings for Star Wars?  In this case, once again,
A Democrat President will precede Star Wars closely.  I think that in the
case of the first Star Wars movie, (asbestos on) the monstrous bulkiness
and evil of big government set the scene for the viewers to empathize
with the rebels' fight against The Empire.  Remember, it was THE REPUBLIC
as opposed to THE EMPIRE.  Because of this politicization of names, I  
would have to say that the Star Trek universes FEDERATION would be
the political analogue to THE EMPIRE as bothe THE EMPIRE and THE FEDERATION
have been classical antagonists to THE REPUBLIC, as seen in our own
history, with LINCOLN's REPUBLICan party vversus the South's
conFEDERATed States. Thus, the Federation of Star Trek would be the
far futuristically evolved remnant of The Empire.  Evidently,
since there is no Republic in the Star Trek universe, the Empire
and the Federation are linked only by dogma.

			John

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From: watters@darwin.genetics.washington.edu (Mike Watters)
Subject: Re: John Williams
Organization: University of Washington   
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:11:29 GMT

In article <suyXVB2w166w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us> crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble) writes:
>jmars@mta.ca (Jennifer K. Mars) writes:
>
>> I haven't heard the Home Alone 2 soundtrack, but lifting your own
>> themes is scarcely a rare thing in movie soundtracks.  Batman
>> has elements of Beetlejuice, etc., etc.  You have to remember that
>
>Good point on Elfman.  It only takes about two seconds of music to be 
>able to say, "Hey, I bet Elfman scored this movie."
>
>
There is also the question of "style".  With the example of Elfman, both the
Beetlejuice and PeeWee soundtracks sound basically like a long string of
Oingo Boingo songs.  You will notice the same thing in different works by
the same author.  The same story with different movies from the same
director.  

There is also the question of deliberatly lifting short themes from other
artists.  Anyone doing this because he's just a lazy bum isn't going to get
very far because of a basic lack of talent.  For the most part, themes are
lifted more as deleberate references.

mike

--
Mike
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From: wggray@mothra.syr.EDU (Wild Bill)
Subject: Re: Future Movies
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 15:51:00 EST

In article <1gcvtpINNd9j@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> goldfoot-josh@yale.edu (Josh A. Goldfoot) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.233656.6377@u.washington.edu> redrum@carson.u.washington.edu (Joe Stremick) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec11.090236.16737@anasazi.com> rickard@anasazi.com (Ronald J. Rickard Jr) writes:
>>>
>>>Okay, I have one question and a wish for the future movies.  My question is
>>>does anyone know of any reference besides the Ewoks and C3PO to there being
>>>a god/gods in the Star Wars Trilogy?  It seems to me that the Jedi are
>>>religious in nature, much like a monk or druid, and they would have a purpose
>>>to go out and defend civilization.  Any thoughts?  Off the top of my head,
>>>I cannot think of any references though ...
>>
>>	I think that the "religion" the Jedi are organized around
>>is the Force.  It seems to be definitely spiritual in nature, 
>>especially from Luke's conversations with Yoda, which seem to 
>>be influenced by Buddhist teachings.
>                  ^^^^^^^^
>I always heard Taoist teachings. The Tao is also a mysterious "force" that
>exists in everything, is created by life, etc. (Although Taoists are unable
>to move objects with the Tao). It's my understanding that Lucas, when writing
>the series, worked with a certain sociologist/historian who had found common
>themes in all world religions. Lucas certainly has some religious themes;
>compare Luke's origins and actions to those of Moses.
>
	I'd have to agree with you on that point about similarities
within all religions as relating to the Force. When I think of the
Force, the concept of Zen comes to mind, where a person opens their mind
and searches within themselves for "the way"(little more complex).
Whether you call it Zen, Chi, Tao, or whatever, it's all relating to
pretty much the same thing--a controlling, universal force of nature
inherent in all and omnipotent. Of course for movie purposes, the
idea was beefed up a bit (I haven't -yet- come across anyone who could
actually levitate objects and such).
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From: mkend@cs.monash.edu.au (Michael Kend)
Subject: Young Indy
Summary: tv series
Keywords: indy
Organization: Computer Science, Monash University, Australia
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 07:52:45 GMT

	Is it true that no new Young Indy episodes will be made and  that
the series has been axed by the network.

Thanks....

	e-mail : mkend@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au