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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.rights.human
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Torture in Greece.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 22:42:45 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1992Dec23.091548@imhfhp16.epfl.ch> gavrila@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (Spyros Gavrilakis) writes:

><<This declaretion was made after three visits to Turkey by a CPT
>delegation between Sep. 90 and end of Nov. 92.>>

Greek members of the "CPT"?  Where was "CPT"?

          "Torture in Greece: Hidden Reality"

Case 1: Kostas Andreadis and Dimitris Voglis.

...Andreadis' head was covered with a hood and he was tortured
by falanga (beating on the soles of the feet), electric shocks,
and was threatened with being thrown out of the window. An 
official medical report clearly documented this torture....

Case 2: Horst Bosniatzki, a West German Citizen.

...At midnight he was taken to the beach, chains were put to his 
feet and he was threatened to be thrown to the sea. He was dragged
along the beach for about a 1.5 Km while being punched on the 
head and kidneys...Back on the police station, he was beaten
on the finger tips with a thin stick until one of the fingertips
split open....

Case 3: Torture of Dimitris Voglis.

Case 4: Brothers Vangelis (16) and Christos Arabatzis (12),
        Vasilis Papadopoulos (13), and Kostas Kiriazis (13).

Case 5: Torture of Eight Students at Thessaloniki Police
        Headquarters.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: fedimit@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il (Dan Nabutovsky)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Deportation vs. Murder
Date: 28 Dec 92 14:03:57 GMT
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Computation Center

In article <1992Dec27.195408.9240@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:
>In article <1992Dec27.164331.20245@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il>,
>fedimit@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il (Dan Nabutovsky) writes:
>> >So all 400 of these people killed the one man? So all the 1200 who were
>> >given administrative detention helped kill the one man? The question is
>> >justice. You have declared all 1600 of these people to be terrorists
>> >without trial and without knowledge of any evidence. The Israeli
>> >government has not even released the names of these people but YOU KNOW
>> >that they are all guilty. Do you have some kind of extrasensory
>> >perception? You know, your psychic powers could be put some good use, I
>> >suppose. :-)
>> >
>> >
>> >Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
>>
>>    All 1600 people were members of HAMAS, which is responsible
>> for killing that man. Being member of a terroristic organisation
>> is a crime.
>>
>> Dan
>
>If this is so, why were these people not incarcerated before? Did they
>all just join Hamas a few days ago? Was there a break-through in
>military intelligence just recently? Dan, honestly, do you really
>believe that justice was served?

   They were not incarcerated before, because Itzhak Rabin tried
to avoid incarcerations. If I would be Israeli prime-minister,
I would incarcerated them before.

   Of course they were Hamas members many years, and this was known
to Israeli administration. Honestly, I think that they deserved this.
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.rights.human
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: I think Mr. Yannopoulus is pro-Greek, at least he used to be.
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 11:05:13 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <11076.3248.uupcb@factory.com> michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos)  writes:

>not the type. Perhaps her words were misunderstood by the author of the
>original article. In fact I think Ms. Tsouderos is pro-Israel, at least
>she used to be.

Furthermore, I think Mr. Yannopoulus is pro-Greek, at least he used to be.

Source: Statement made by Mr. Evangelos Yannopoulus - the Greek Minister
	of Maritime Affairs, ELEFTHEROTIPIA, July 4, 1988

       "The two myths in Cyprus must be exposed as lies. The first myth 
	is the case of missing persons and the second is the myth of the 
	invasion of Cyprus by Turkey. The Greek Cypriots presented as 
	missing persons were actually the victims who were killed during 
	the Sampson Coup. As regards the invasion of Cyprus by Turkey, it 
	was the Greek military that staged the coup and toppled Makarios 
	at a time when he was an internationally recognized President of 
	Cyprus. How is it possible to topple Makarios and start slaughtering 
	the Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots and impose a mad man like 
	Sampson to head the Cyprus Government and yet expect no reaction 
	from Turkey?"

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.rights.human
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: "Greek Government Rail-Roads Two Turkish Ethnic Deputies".
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 21:33:36 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <Bzn6Mt.9w6@cs.columbia.edu> vh@cs.columbia.edu (Vasileios Hatzivassiloglou) writes:

>it is undisputable that Greece treats the minority rather well (i.e. they
>have (relative) freedom of religion, they are allowed to speak their own

Bring tears to my eyes.

"Greece's Housing Policies Worry Western Thrace Turks"

...Newly built houses belonging to members of the minority
community in Dedeagac province, had, he said, been destroyed
by Evros province public works department on Dec. 4.

Sungar added that they had received harsh treatment by the
security forces during the demolition.

"This is not the first demolition in Dedeagac province; more
than 40 houses were destroyed there between 1979-1984 and 
members of that minority community were made homeless," he
continued. 

"Greek Government Rail-Roads Two Turkish Ethnic Deputies"

While World Human Rights Organizations Scream, Greeks 
Persistently Work on Removing the Parliamentary Immunity
of Dr. Sadik Ahmet and Mr. Ahmet Faikoglu.

In his 65-page confession, Salman Demirok, a former chief of PKK
operations in Hakkari confessed that high-level relations between
PKK, Greece and Greek Cypriot administration existed.

According to Demirok, Greek Cypriot administration not only 
gives shelter to PKK guerillas but also supplies them with 
food and weapons at the temporary camps set up in its territory. 
Demirok disclosed that PKK has three safe houses in South Cyprus, 
used by terrorists such as Ferhat. In the camps, he added, 
terrorists were trained to use various weapons including RPG's 
and anti-aircraft guns which had been purchased directly from 
the Greek government. Greek Cypriot government has gone to the 
extent of issuing special identification cards to PKK members so 
that they can travel from one region to another without being 
confronted by legal obstacles. Demirok's account was confirmed 
by another PKK defector, Fatih Tan, who gave himself over to 
police in Hakkari after spending four years with PKK. Tan explained
that the terrorists went through a training in camps in South Cyprus, 
sometimes for a period of 12 weeks or more.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.bulgaria
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: "Mid-morning express" of "dcs.glasgow" and Armenian-Nazi collaboration.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 23:12:53 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <BznuJL.AqE@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:

>What you think Mutlu ^H^H^H^H^HCosar^H^H^H^H^HArgic has something sensible
>to say??? Wow!! WOnders will never cease!!

Wow. "Morning the porno" is back. Ran out of "mid-morning express porno"
material?

 Source: "Mitteilungsblatt, Berlin, December 1939, Nr. 2 and 5-6"

 Yet another historical fact: a fact that for years has been deliberately 
 forgotten, concealed, and wiped from memory - the fact of Armenian-Nazi 
 collaboration.

 A magazine called Mitteilungsblatt der Deutsch-Armenischen Gesselschaft
 is the clearest and most definite proof of this collaboration. The 
 magazine was first published in Berlin in 1938 during Nazi rule of Germany
 and continued publication until the end of 1944. Even the name of the
 magazine, which implies a declaration of Armenian-Nazi cooperation,
 is attention-getting.

 This magazine, every issue of which proves the collaboration, is historically
 important as documentary evidence. It is a heap of writing that should be
 an admonition to world opinion and to all mankind. Every issue embroiders
 the themes of enmity towards Turkey and towards Turks.

 In Nazi Germany, Armenians were considered to be an Aryan race and certain
 political, economic, and social rights were thus granted to them. They 
 occupied positions in public service and were partners in Nazi practices.
 The whole world of course knows what awaited those who were not considered 
 "Aryan" and what befell them.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Deportation of Palestinians
Date: 30 Dec 92 11:50:20 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

The affair of the illegal and immoral deportation of Palestinians has
brought some interesting things into focus on this newsgroup. First of 
all we can dispose of the myth that Rabin is a peacemaker, since he has
single-handedly destroyed the peace process more effectively than even
Shamir could have dreamed of. Secondly, we can also dispose of the myth that
the Israeli parliament contains a wide spectrum of viewpoints with regard
to the (surely central) issue of the Palestinian question, since the
so-called leftist Meretz party steped neatly into line and goose-stepped
into ignominy behind Rabin. Thirdly, we can also consign to oblivion the
notion that the majority of the Israeli public really want a just peace
based on honest dealing with the Palestinians, since according to opinion
polls 91% of them are in accored with the deportations. On top of that,
we can see that the Israeli supreme court is not an independent judiciary
body, it is a political poodle of the government, since otherwise it would
not have been possible for it to decide that the deportees are now a
Lebanese problem since they are on Lebanese soil (Great idea for reducing
overcrowding in US prisons - parachute the criminal into Israel, then it's
their problem!!).

As for the debate on this newsgroup, that too reveals some sorry sights.
I can believe that the apologists for Israel might in good faith debate the
finer points of the translation of the LEHI letter to the Nazis, they might
discuss the number of Palestinians in Palestine in 1948 before they were
"ethnically cleansed", they might even, in good faith, believe the various
silly myths about "blooming deserts", and other codswallop, but now the facts
are plain to see, and yet they STILL pop up defending the indefensible. I
am sure that Makowsky, Tractinsky and the whole sick crew would defend the
devil himself if he wrapped himself in the Israeli flag. So it is with some
regret that I am adding the names of these gents to my killfile. I usually
try to avoid adding people, rather than topics, since there's always the
small chance that you will pickup some useful information from the 
unlikeliest source, but in this case it's clear that they cannot even be relied
upon to give the correct time of day. Adios, amigos.



-- 
===Jeremy Henderson===jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk=          

This message cost the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars.
Bloody good value if you ask me.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: ifaz706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Noam Tractinsky)
Subject: Re: Rabin the peace-maker
Organization: University of Texas @ Austin
Date: 22 Dec 92 12:41:44 CST

In article <29794@castle.ed.ac.uk>, jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson) writes:
> In article <1992Dec21.143955.1@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu> ifaz706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Noam Tractinsky) writes:
+ ~In article <29762@castle.ed.ac.uk>, jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson) writes:
+ ~> 
+ ~> Oh and by the way, in a TV appearance, he claims to have had no choice.
+ ~> Well excuuuuuuuuuuuse me!, but in civilised countries (not necessarily in
+ ~> Syria, or Iraq, but in *civilised* countries) people aren't punished until
+ ~> some evidence against them has been presented in a court of law, with due
+ ~> right to defence. 
+ ~
+ ~
+ ~	Could you believe it? Me agreeing with Jeremy!
+ ~
+ ~	Indeed, in a *civilized* countries (like the *U.K.*) people
+ ~	aren't punished until evidence is presented in a court of
+ ~	law, with due right to defence. Remember the Birmingham 
+ ~	Gang, whose members were convicted and imprisoned by the 
+ ~	British court based on faked evidence presented by the 
+ ~	British authorities?  Or the IRA guys who were executed by
+ ~	the Brits in Gibraltar without facing any trial whatsoever?
+ ~	Those guys sure would have preferred expulsion over a bullet
+ ~	through the head.
> 
> The important point to note is that the Birmingham Six and co. were
> FREED - the system was bad but mistakes were acknowledged. Has Israel
> done anything similar? 


	Didn't it take some dozen years and a lot of cover up until 
	they were released? Would you like to bet that within 12
	years all those who were inappropriately deported will return?


The IRA people were shot while engaged in terrorist
> activity.


	"Shot while engaged in terrorist activity"? Like Stern was
	shot while trying to escape? 

	Give me a break, Jeremy, you sound almost like the "worst 
	Israeli apologetics".


> 
+ ~ Maybe Israel could try setting its standards just a little
+ ~> higher?
+ ~
+ ~	Maybe Israel could try setting its standards just a little
+ ~	bit lower to meet those of the U.K, and Jeremy's requirements
+ ~	for a proof of civilization.
> 
> The UK is not by any means perfect, but at least the army don't go round
> shooting 8-year-old girls.


        At least the IRA is careful enough not to get kids 
	involved in murderous activities.


 
> -- 
> ===Jeremy Henderson===jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk=          



Noam
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Iran, Bahrain
From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 23:33:00 GMT
Distribution: talk
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon


[ Obviously, this writer is under the influence of American spies conspiring
  to drag Iran into war. -a]

RTw  12/28 1011  TEHRAN PAPER WANTS IRAN REVIVE CLAIM TO BAHRAIN

    TEHRAN, Dec 28, Reuter - Radical Iranian newspapers, angered by Gulf Arab claims to
three disputed islands, are hitting back with demands that Tehran revive its claim to
Bahrain and consider improving ties with Iraq.
    President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani and senior officials strongly condemned a statementlast week by leaders of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) backing the United Arab
Emirates (UAE) in its dispute with Iran over the Gulf islands.
    But the newspapers Salam and Jomhuri Eslami demanded that Tehran go further than
restating its resolve to defend its sovereignty over the islands of Abu Musa, Greater Tumband Lesser Tumb.
    "It is not very clear why the Sheikh of Bahrain has joined the others," Jomhuri Eslamisaid. The GCC groups Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the UAE.
    "If historical records are to be the criterion, the sheikh of Bahrain should go about
his own business and the rule of Iranian people in Bahrain, which belonged to Iran until
1970, should be re-established," the paper said.
    "It is fitting for the foreign ministry to raise the question of Iran's sovereignty
over Bahrain...and start a serious and effective drive to end the separation of Bahrain
from Iran," it added.
    The late Shah of Iran relinquished Iran's claim to Bahrain in 1970, a year before the
island became an independent state.
    Iranian leaders since the 1979 Islamic revolution have carefully avoided raising the
Bahrain issue although it is occasionally brought up in the press during periods of
tension with conservative Arab states across the Gulf.
    Salam newspaper said the GCC stand showed that the policy of appeasing pro-Western
Gulf Arab rulers had backfired.
    "No matter how much you smile at sheikhs on the southern coast of the Persian Gulf, itis the United States and the West which speak the last word," it said.
    "They (the sheikhs) are nobody," Salam said, adding that Iran should revise its policytowards its neighbours, especially its former war enemy Iraq.
    "Disregarding the logical potential of expanding ties with Iraq...and going along withsome Saudi-backed trends among the Iraqi opposition have played a role in the formation ofthe current situation," the paper said.
    Ties between Iran and Iraq, which fought a war from 1980 to 1988, improved briefly
after Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990.
    But Tehran, which denounced the invasion and remained neutral in the ensuing war,
again called for President Saddam Hussein's overthrow when he suppressed a Shi'ite Moslem
revolt which swept southern Iraq after his 1991 defeat in Kuwait.
 REUTER SIJ MZ AET
-- 
Anwar Mohammed <anwar+@cs.cmu.edu> Vox:(412) 268-3043 Fax:(412) 361-2021
ASAP PhD SCS CMU
From: fedimit@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il (Dan Nabutovsky)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Israeli quote of the year.
Date: 28 Dec 92 14:14:56 GMT
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Computation Center

Ilyess Bdira writes:
>In article <1992Dec27.161716.19989@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il> fedimit@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il (Dan Nabutovsky) writes:
>
>
>   ISRAEL IS TOO LITTLE NOW TO GET SOME PART OF IT TO ENEMIES.
>                       *****

   Before 1977, Israel had Sinai. Now Sinai given to Egypt.
      Dan.
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.soviet
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: "In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul."
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 19:46:11 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <scs.725651484@hela.iti.org> scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons) writes:

>		'The war quickly developed into one of exhaustion.

Anyone care to speculate on this?

 "In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.
  It is in our power to tear away the veil of illusion that some of us
  create for ourselves. It certainly is possible to severe the artificial
  life-support system of an imagined 'ethnic purity' that some of us
  falsely trust as the only structure that can support their heart beats 
  in this alien land."

            (Sahak Melkonian - 1920 - "Preserving the Armenian purity") 

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: "wayne mcguire" <wayne.mcguire@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: american opinion
Date: 29 Dec 92 17:28:41 EST
Reply-To: "wayne mcguire" <wayne.mcguire@channel1.com>
Distribution: talk
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

To: Harry Mamaysky

Harry,

Following are some pointers to polling data which support,
directly or indirectly, my contention that Israel's standing in
the U.S. and the Western democratic world is in decline.

Abbreviation key:

asc The Ascendance of Israel's Radical Right (Sprinzak)
bgl The Boston Globe
bhe The Boston Herald
jad The Jewish Advocate
nyt The New York Times
tim Time
wrm The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs

911004 jad 016 schlossberg: wsj/nbc poll showed americans favored
delaying loan agreement by 3 to 1; more americans favor aid to
soviet union than to israel; 58% for, 32% against (soviet
union), 44% for, 46% against (israel) /q

911100 wrm 009 moughrabi: poll: majority or plurality of
americans support creation of palestinian state in occupied
territories /q

911100 wrm 031 evans & novak: op: polls showing drastic drop in
support for israel /q=c1g6-c2g3

911121 bgl 001 kaufman: new poll shows that overwhelming majority
of jewish leaders favor freezing settlements & trading land for
peace /q=p23g9-11

911121 nyt d23 chartrand: poll shows u.s. jewish leaders at odds
with israel /q= c1g7-c2g2

911125 bhe 002 ap: shamir dismisses polls revealing u.s. jewish
leaders support freeze on settlements; says "rank-&-file" jews
support settlements

910911 bgl 003 frisby: poll: 79 percent of americans oppose
granting israel $10b loan guar unconditionally

910922 nbc nws utley: poll: according to nbc/wsj poll, 35% of
americans think arabs are biggest obstacle to mideast peace
settlement; 37% think israelis are biggest obstacle

910930 tim 022 painton: poll: time/cnn: 37% favor loan guar; 56%
opposed /p24

910000 asc 319 spr: polls revealing extent of extremism among
israeli youth; a majority are opposed to equal rights for
non-jews(!) /q=g3 /3


I think you will find there is correlation between the increase
of extremism in Israel and the decline of American esteem for the
Jewish state. Robert Friedman in False Prophet (p. 217) reports
on one poll which reveals the extent of the extremism in
contemporary Israel:

     A 1986 poll conducted by the prestigious Van Leer Institute
     in Jerusalem found that 33 percent of Israel's youth between
     the ages of fifteen and eighteen (excluding kibbutz youth)
     supported Kahane's fiercely anti-Arab stance.
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