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From: dstuart@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Looking for author/title of short story
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:07:27 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <BxLp6v.A30@cs.vu.nl>, tamossel@cs.vu.nl (Mossel TAK) writes:
> Hiya. Some time ago, I read a short story about a man who programmed a 
> computer to process a prayer over and over, like a Buddhist prayer-wheel.
> Eventually, something happened. This is all I can remember, So if anyone
> can help me with the title, author, where to find it, or even the plot,
> I'd be very grateful...
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> 			Krijn (tamossel@cs.vu.nl)



	please excuse me for the vagueness of my answer, but I believe the
name of the story you are speaking of if called "The Nine Billion Names of
God".  I believe it was included in the first volume of "The Science 
Fiction Hall of Fame".  If I remember right the story is as follows;

	A cult believes that if the name of god is said so many times
	the end of the world will occur.  This cult has been chanting
	the name of god for hundreds of years to bring this about.
	A scientist, if I remember right, to prove this cult wrong
	programs a computer to do the job.

	This is all very shakey as I haven't read the story in at least
seven years.  Some of what I have said may be wrong, forgive my mistakes.
If this is the story you were looking for please let me know.

					STU
From: john@sekrit.WPI.EDU (John Stoffel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Looking for author/title of short story
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:32:56
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In-reply-to: nicolas@stam.nl's message of Thu, 12 Nov 92 16:47:48 CET

>>>>> On Thu, 12 Nov 92 16:47:48 CET, nicolas@stam.nl (Nico Veenkamp) said:

Nico> tamossel@cs.vu.nl (Mossel TAK) writes:

> Hiya. Some time ago, I read a short story about a man who programmed a 
> computer to process a prayer over and over, like a Buddhist prayer-wheel.
> Eventually, something happened. This is all I can remember, So if anyone
> can help me with the title, author, where to find it, or even the plot,
> I'd be very grateful...
> 
Nico> wasn't that a short story by Asimov. The computer was supposed to print 
Nico> out all the nine billion names of God. When it was finished the Earth 
Nico> or the universe would come to an end. I have it somewhere at home.

You almost there, but not quite.  It's by Clarke, and it's part of a
short story collection called "The Nine Billion Names of God".  Good
read!

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From: esr@snark.thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Tim Powers, Deity extroidinaire
Date: 8 Nov 92 20:52:06 GMT

In <01+q9vf@lynx.unm.edu> Kurt "Some Guy" Bose wrote:
> So I picked [The Stress of Her Regard] up.  And read it.  The jury's still
> out.  But, Good Lord, could ACE have possibly marketed this book any more
> poorly?

It's hard to see how.  The packaging for _Anubis_Gates_ and _On_Stranger_Tides_
was much better --- it *is* possible to convey something of the Powers feel.
The _Stress_ treatment was one of the worst botches I've ever seen.
-- 
					Eric S. Raymond <esr@snark.thyrsus.com>
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From: rcrowley@donne.zso.dec.com (Rebecca Crowley)
Subject: James Schmitz
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:33:28 GMT

I've enjoyed several novels by Schmitz including:

Agent of Vega
The Universe Against Her
The Telzey Toy
The Lion Game
The Demon Breed
The Witches of Karres
Legacy (orig. titled A Tale of Two Clocks)

I've had a good deal of trouble tracking down a complete list of
novels by this author and was wondering if anyone knows if the above
list is complete (and, if it is not, if they could add to it).

Schmitz typically seems to write about attractive, bright, young
women (a rarity in my experience with science fiction); I would recommend
them as juveniles, probably.
From: hyde@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Hamilton and space opera
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:42:38 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <librik.721394544@cory.Berkeley.EDU>, librik@cory.Berkeley.EDU (David Librik) writes:
> 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (Dark Lord of the Sith) writes:

> I don't know if "neglected" is the right word.  Certainly the Star Wars
> fans would be less likely to know Brackett as an sf author (of course, we
> won't know, since you forgot to cross-post to the Star Wars newsgroup).
> She was basically a 30's-40's author, married to Edmond Hamilton, and like
> him continued to write 30's-style space opera.


	The stories and novels of Hamilton's last few years (1960's)
	went far beyond the 30's 40's style space opera.  I can
	remember the critics of the time commenting on his radical
	change of style.  There's often plenty of action in his
	later works (e.g. "Battle for the stars") but the main
	characters are more introspective, and questions of good
	and evil are not so easily resolved.



						Bill Hyde
Department of Oceanography
Dalhousie University,
Halifax, Nova Scotia
hyde@ac.dal.ca or hyde@dalac
From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Brunner (was Re: _Islands_in_the_Net_)
Date: 7 Nov 1992 04:59:28 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
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In article <1992Nov6.195713.14495@math.ucla.edu> dstein@oak.math.ucla.edu (David Stein) writes:
>
>I'm willing to read a so-so
>written sf novel if it is full of original and startling ideas.
>Curtis probably wouldn't bother.

In fact I think I would; but I am beginning to suspect that
our definitions of "original and startling" vary.

Perhaps, when it first appeared, _Shockwave Rider_ would
have met mine.

But I do not think so; there is a certain triteness common to
most such work, a tendency to generalize and exaggerate, to
oversimplify and overstate, that renders the most original
ideas more cloying than startling.

I guess I just don't like science fiction much.

c
From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Title of the story/book
Date: 14 Nov 1992 04:11:03 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
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In article <7855@lib.tmc.edu> drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez) writes:
>
>The story is "Peaches for Mad Molly". I think Bruce Sterling wrote it.

I think Steven Gould wrote it.

But we can agree to disagree.

c
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From: rcte4@menudo.uh.edu (Scot M. Carpenter)
Subject: Zelazny - Prince of Chaos?
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:30:23 GMT

	Hope this isn't an old subject, but did Zelazny REALLY  write
Prince of Chaos?  Just re-read the last 4 Amber books, starting with
Trumps of Doom, then picked up Prince of Chaos, and it seems written in
a wholly different (much worse) style, plus there were diddles with the
plot, such as removing Mandoor from the Chaos succession ahead of
Merlin....reading all of them over a three day period (haven't finished
Prince) makes it pretty obvious.  Almost as though someone else was
hired in to wrap up the series in a very quick and dirty fashion.
	
	I don't read this group often, so sorry if this is a faq or is
well known.
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From: logan@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Richard Scott)
Subject: Ravenscar Nights shared fictional writing world
Summary: mail me for info
Keywords: writers and readers wanted
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 16:51:34 GMT



There is a mailing list set up as an offshoot of the Vampyres mailing
list.  It is a shared world where many writers write stories based on
the city of Ravenscar.

The stories, character sketches, and place sketches are available via
FTP, and when I have a nice informative passage about that, I will.

You can write to me at logan@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au for details.  Some
stories have progressed as far as part 10 or 11.  I am slack, and am
only up to part 6 :).  Types of characters include vampires, mages,
morphs, human vampire hunters, and an inter-dimensional alien invasion
is on the way.  There is also a super-powered vigilante running around,
and plenty of not-so ordinary humans.

You don't have to write anything to be put on the mailing list, all
readers are welcome.  (Although you may be called a lurker from time to
time).  There are quite a lot of these, so do not let that worry you.

The more people there are, the better, and I will post more details in
the future, after the FTP site is fully documented.


Hoping to hear from you!!

Richard  (logan@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au)

  
-- 
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AussieMan, Neophyte Vampire and DarkWolf
(Eric Clapton is God!!!)   [ and there is Bobby Fischer... ;-) ]
(Walter Payton, Mike Singletary and Neal Anderson form the Holy Trinity!)
-- 
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AussieMan, Neophyte Vampire and DarkWolf
(Eric Clapton is God!!!)   [ and there is Bobby Fischer... ;-) ]
(Walter Payton, Mike Singletary and Neal Anderson form the Holy Trinity!)
From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Human Computers in SF--Help!
Date: 12 Nov 1992 02:40:25 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
NNTP-Posting-Host: mamba.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov12.011348.10347@netcom.com> tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox) writes:
>In article <1dmo0qINN9ab@agate.berkeley.edu> curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin) writes:
>
>>And, of course, Tom Maddox's monstrous _HALO_.
>
>	Really?  *Monstrous*?  Do explain, Mr. Yarvin.

Un momentinho.

c
From: jan@netex.netx.com (Jan Wiles)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: K. Kurts "The Adept" series query
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:31:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NetExpress Inc., Vienna, VA, USA
Originator: jan@netex

Hi, folks...can anyone tell me when the third "Adept" book is due out,
and what its title is?

Thanks!
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From: spellmje@bcvms.bc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Looking for Julian May book
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:43:11 GMT
Organization: Boston College

I just finished reading Julian May's "Jack the Bodiless". I know there is a 
missing book in the Intervention series. The author credits lists
"Surveillance", "MetaConcert" and "Intervention". 

Books in Print doesn't list "Intervention". Del Ray (Ballantine) Customer 
Service never heard of it. Knopf Customer Service (hardcover) never heard 
of it. BUT my local bookseller shows it on her microfiche as published
in hardcover in 1987.

Has anyone seen this book?  Has it been written? Any info (like Publisher)
would be great.

I don't get to access NEWS often so E-mail response would be appreciated.
(I do apologize.) Responses will be summarized to this group.


Thanks. 

spellmje@hermes.bc.edu
From: mlebrun@bss2.umd.edu (Mike Lebrun)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: The Wheel of Time Series
Keywords: Spoilers
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:49:40 GMT
Organization: College of Behavioral and Social Sciences, U of Maryland

A few observations.

First, Rand and Galad are brothers.  All of the evidence is available, but 
scattered through the first four books.  If this is true, then Rand and 
Morainne are blood relatives.  There are several implications for this, 
including the inclusion of Rand in the lines of succession Cairhien.

Second, given that the Aiel and the Tinkers are actually one people, both 
who possess prophacies dating back to the Age of Legends and the Breaking, 
if would seem to follow that the Sea Folk are somehow related to the Aiel and
the Tinkers.  

And a question.  

I know who Luc is, but I cannot seem to unearth the identy of Isam.  Any 
help out there?
From: jice@luth.chorus.fr (Jean-Christophe Hugly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Human Computers in SF--Help!
Date: 13 Nov 92 13:13:32 GMT
Reply-To: jice@chorus.fr
Organization: Chorus systemes, Saint Quentin en Yvelines, France

In article <3741@creatures.cs.vt.edu>, sahle@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Eskinder Sahle) writes:
%% 
%% Hello all:
%% 
%% I need some help....  I'm looking for examples in fiction literature
%% of super sophisticated communicative computers a la HAL. That is,
%% computers that talk and communicate like humans.

... see also Eddy the fisrt computer equipped with real human personality
circuits in "The Hichicker's guide to the galaxy" by Douglas Adams.

J-C
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From: russw@cs.utexas.edu (Russ Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,soc.women,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Gor Considered Thoughtfully --- an analytical essay
Date: 12 Nov 1992 15:12:19 -0600
Organization: Great Northern Hotel
NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu

Folks interested in reading further scholarly treatments of Norman's Gor
should check out an old issue of Foundation, probably about #35 or so.
(Foundation is a British sf criticism journal that you can probably find
in most large university libraries.  UT has it in the PCL periodical
room...)  The issue in question has a literary analysis of Gor, including
lots of stuff like subtle stuff Norman did with character names and
whatnot.  I've not read any of Norman's stuff, but this analysis of
his writing and fictional world was rather interesting!

Russ
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From: write@eff.org (Glen Cox)
Subject: Re: Steampunks (was Re: Tim Powers)
Originator: write@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 17:42:25 GMT

Richard wrote:

>>James Blaylock - "The Last Coin"
>>	(Power's college roomie, btw)
>>
>>				richard
>>	rwilley@eagle.wesleyan.edu

Brent Jones responded:

>Although they were great friends in college, they never roomed together.
>They did, however, seem to be pretty much inseperable and spent a great
>deal of time together.
>
>While friends in college, they were both working on their first real
>manuscripts. Blaylock's concerned the Wild Man of Borneo and sinister
>Plaster of Paris factories producing poisoned milk in Victorian England.
>Powers' concerned some fairly strange ideas about the brewing of beer.
>Not really sure what happened to Blaylock's first, but Powers' became
>_The Drawing of the Dark_. 
>
>I agree that if you like Powers, you will like Blaylock, and vice
>versa.

And I say:

Let's not forget the third of this unlikely trio, K.W. Jeter.  If I'm
not mistaken, it was their tie to an established SF writer (namely
Phil Dick) that brought them together.

For Jeter (when he's writing like his buddies), try _Infernal Devices_.
Try _Dr. Adder_ for when he's writing like his mentor.

glen


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From: mimir@hardy.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Subject: Re: Title of the story/book
Keywords: What is the title/author of this story/book?
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 01:30:25 GMT

In article <Bxo9C0.FFs@cs.uiuc.edu> joshi@cs.uiuc.edu (Anil Joshi) writes:
>
>I have read a story in a collection (or a book...I forget) which describes 
>people living in high rise buildings. Some of the bad elements (akin to gangs)
>live on the balconies. There this man who wants to cross certain section to go 
>to the other side for some reason or other and has to reallly work hard to 
>escape a gang who inhabit the section in between. In the whole story they never
>talk about anybody living on ground and it talks about levels etc. Our hero
>reaches the otherside and he goes to the very top of a tall building where
>a lot of socially elite gather for a party etc.

 Sounds like "Farewell Horizontal" by Jeter. It is a novel.
From: al@iris.claremont.edu (Aotearoa)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Tim Powers
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:20:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: iris.al.721070439
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711

rwilley@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Hrothgar) writes:

>From memory i can recall the following books by Powers

>	The Drawing of the Dark
>	The Anubis Gates
>	Dinner at Deviant's Place
>	The Stress of Her Regard
>	The Last Call

Add _On Stranger Tides_, and I think you've got the lot.  Each is
indeed great and unique.

>For those of you
>who really like his work, i would also recommend the follwong authors
>James Blaylock - "The Last Coin"
>	(Power's college roomie, btw)

I would also highly recommend Blaylock.  My favorite is his newest, _The
Paper Grail_.

You might also want to check out the poetry of William Ashbless.

-- 
Michael L. Medlin  al@iris.claremont.edu
	``The fifth is ambition.  It next will be right
		To describe each particular batch:
	Distinguishing those that have feathers, and bite,
From: sahle@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Eskinder Sahle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Human Computers in SF--Help!
Date: 8 Nov 92 16:22:39 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA


Hello all:

I need some help....  I'm looking for examples in fiction literature
of super sophisticated communicative computers a la HAL. That is,
computers that talk and communicate like humans.  I'm not so much 
interested in those instances where it's a robot that cannot be
distinguished from a human being as in computers sounding human without
being almost totally human-like....  So far I got these suggestions.
If you can add to the list or comment on the works in it I would very
much appreciate it....

Thanks,
Ahmed

robert heinlein: _the moon is a harsh mistress_

william gibson: _neuromancer_ & virtually anything else

david gerrold: _when harlie was one_

thomas ryan: _the adolesence of p-1_

john brunner: _stand on zanzibar_ [a few bits thereof]

vernor vinge: _a fire upon the deep_ & related works

christopher stasheff:  _the warlock in spite of himself_
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From: gulla@Lise.Unit.NO (Anders H}kon Gulla)
Subject: Re: Who Was "The Fisher King"?
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 00:53:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.182412.10036@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, warda@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
 > Something that's been nagging at the back of my mind for while now:  
 > Briefly, what is the "Fisher King" myth?  I read Powers' "Drawing Of 
 > Of The Dark", and I have vague recollections of the Fisher King from 
 > European mythology, but nothing concrete.  Can somebody fill the gap 
 > in my knowledge, please?
 > I should add, to anyone unsure about trying DOD, that it didn't in any
 > way spoil my enjoyment of the book.
 > 
 > Cheers,
 > 
 >    Bill Bennett                           JANET: warda@uk.ac.oxford.vax    
 >    CRC Growth Factors Research Group   Internet: warda%vax.oxford.ac.uk  
 >  

Ah! Something I know something about at last :-)

The "Fisher King" is part of the Arthurian myth (that part is the one
I know, at least).  He was the King in the castle Carbonek (sp?) where
they kept the Holy Grail, The Adventourous Shield and Longinous(sp?)
Spear.  That is of course his family was.  The last one, King Pellam,
is the most famous of the Fisher Kings.  One evening while he and his
guests were seated in the hall, a knigth arrived, accusing one of the
guests (rightfully) for teh slaying of his brother.  The newly arrived
knigth killed the guest, an act the King could not let pass in his
house.  King Pellam drew forth his sword to revenge his guest himself,
and the knigth did only defend himself.  Then the knigth ran off,
pusued by King Pellam.  The King reached the knigth when they arrived
in the chapel where they kept the holy relics.  The knigth wounded
Pellam with The Longinous Spear, and the Chapel colapsed.  The knigth died,
the Holy Grail and the rest of the relics disappeared, but King Pellam
survived.  This event started the Grail Adventures.  The wound of King 
Pellam could not heal by it self, so he is also called the Maimed King.
To heal his wound it would take the greatest knigth, and Galahad finaly 
cured the poor bastard when he was at Carbonek.

Hope this is what you wanted.  It is freely after my memory, which is not 
always 100% reliable, but if I have said something terribly wrong I don't
doubt someone will correct me.  If you need more information I can alway dig
some out on request.

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"quid est primum, quod tecum dicis?"  "Quid mihi in ientaculum
paratur? Tu autem quid dicis o Porcelle?"  "Dico: Scire avco, quid
magni momenti bodie accidat," dixit Porcellus.  Pu meditabundus
adnuit. "Est idem," dixit.  
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From: eliz@ai.mit.edu (Elizabeth Willey)
Subject: Re: HE, SHE, AND IT by Marge Piercy
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:59:19 GMT

A note on _He, She, and It_, which Evelyn Leeper just reviewed: I have
seen this book remaindered in several stores.  Hurry if you want to
get it in inexpensive hardcover.


Elizabeth Willey
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From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Subject: Re: Human Computers in SF--Help!
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:13:48 GMT

In article <1dmo0qINN9ab@agate.berkeley.edu> curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin) writes:

>And, of course, Tom Maddox's monstrous _HALO_.

	Really?  *Monstrous*?  Do explain, Mr. Yarvin.
-- 
				Tom Maddox
		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
		"The Reptoids eat humans like we eat chickens."
				Alex Alexander
From: ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Lewis AJ)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Human Computers in SF--Help!
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:01:42 GMT

sahle@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Eskinder Sahle) writes :

>I need some help....  I'm looking for examples in fiction literature
>of super sophisticated communicative computers a la HAL. That is,
>computers that talk and communicate like humans.  I'm not so much
>interested in those instances where it's a robot that cannot be
>distinguished from a human being as in computers sounding human without
>being almost totally human-like....  So far I got these suggestions.
>If you can add to the list or comment on the works in it I would very
>much appreciate it....

Dan Simmonds - Hyperion & The Fall of Hyperion.
   The computer connection in the first is in a section near the end,
   but the Fall has AIs featuring prominently throughout. Both superb books.

Ian Banks - any of his "Culture" novels/stories, to wit -
      Consider Phlebas, Player of Games, Use of Weapons &
      State of the Art (short stories)
   Again, superb books, especially PoG & UoW, featuring possibly the most
   advanced & all-pervasive computers/technology that I've come across in
   any SF book (or film, if it comes to that). Any comments?

Hitch Hikers Guide, obviously.

Catherine Kerr - Polar City Blues
Colin Greenland - Take Back Plenty
Startide Rising - David Brin (only in a minor sub-plot)

Loads of others, but as usual, I've forgotten the lot.

Cheers,

Andy

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