HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jmcmahon@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jim McMahon)
Subject: Re: fdisk failure on install
Keywords: Coherent fdisk fail
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:23:11 GMT


Please disregard my earlier plea for help -- I got it working.
The problem was that I didn't read the directions clearly enough,
since the at0:TO meant that I was having (I assume) time out errors.
Using alternat polling fixed the problem.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Are we dead??
Reply-To: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:35:57 GMT

udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
: Grant Edwards (grante@aquarius.rosemount.com) wrote:
: : Once the device driver kit comes out, I think porting the MGR window
: : system would be an excellent idea.  This will require graphics drivers
: : that implement the standard bitblt operations for various boards , as
: : well as mouse drivers.  
: 
: I've started with the window manager of MGR some time ago, but with a
: low priority because of the missing driver kit. Every one is wellcome
: to join this project. Is anyone out there who is really familar with
: writing device drivers? I never wrote one so far, maybe someone else
: has more experience whith that then I. As Grant stated above, there
: are graphics drivers for the various boards to write. The driver
: kit comes with an bus mouse driver, but I also would like to see
: an driver for serial mice.

I wrote one driver for Coherent 3.2, and have done low level graphics
stuff under DOS.  I would be willing to do a graphics driver for
Hercules monochrome boards.  I switched from a serial mouse to a bus
mouse a while back, so I'll leave that one for somebody else.

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From: shendrix@PCS.CNU.EDU ("", Shannon Hendrix)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Tcl to replacement most of /bin & /usr/bin (was: Tcl on Linux
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:38:58 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

----- Begin Included Message -----

      I agree.  Let UNIX and Coherent be what they are.  I bought Coherent
    because I wanted to learn more about UNIX.  The less UNIX-like it is,
    the less I'd be interested in it.
      Also, as a UNIX newbie, the last* thing I'd want to do is introduce
    another variable by running an OS I have to patch/fix myself.  After I
    learn to "drive", then I'll look under the "hood" (i.e. Linux).

Before too much longer, if not already, you won't have to patch/fix Linux to get
it running.  As a matter of fact, I didn't have to do anything for Linux but
 feed
it installation disks, just like Coherent.  The only difference was that the
 Linux
installation (SLS) was easier and miles faster (Linux floppy drivers are faster
 than
DOS while Coherent seems to fun about 1/6 the speed of DOS on my box).

Linux needs to have a distribution with permissions and everything set to a
 "base"
configuration.  That is happening.  I had to change quite a few permissions on
 my
Coherent system so that is to be expected in UNIX until people start documenting
things like that much better.


                - Mike (Reply to: mtarrant@atk.com)


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From: ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: GNU (was: Re: Tcl to replacement most of /bin & /usr/bin (was: Tcl on Linux)
Date: 22 Nov 92 12:31
Organization: Not Very Ltd.

magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto) writes:
> 
> The reason GNU must be distributed with source is that so whoever
> gets it can compile it and use it on their machine.

Um, not exactly.  If you give binaries you only have to also give the
service of making the source available.  That is, it must be handy,
but not included (see the GPL).

ralf
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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Are we dead??
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 02:27:53 GMT

Grant Edwards (grante@aquarius.rosemount.com) wrote:
: Once the device driver kit comes out, I think porting the MGR window
: system would be an excellent idea.  This will require graphics drivers
: that implement the standard bitblt operations for various boards , as
: well as mouse drivers.  
: 
: The actual port of the Bellcore window manager code is probably best
: done by a single person.  But, if a device driver interface is
: defined, the graphics drivers could be written separately.  Once the
: core package is ported the various client programs (there aren't too
: many) could also be ported separately.

I've started with the window manager of MGR some time ago, but with a
low priority because of the missing driver kit. Every one is wellcome
to join this project. Is anyone out there who is really familar with
writing device drivers? I never wrote one so far, maybe someone else
has more experience whith that then I. As Grant stated above, there
are graphics drivers for the various boards to write. The driver
kit comes with an bus mouse driver, but I also would like to see
an driver for serial mice.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: jboggs@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (John D. Boggs)
Subject: trouble making a program
Reply-To: erato!jdb@uu.net
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 16:40:36 GMT

I'm trying to make a program using the Makefile created by GNU
s configure program, and keep getting the error

     make: 5: multiple actions for .c.o

I always thought the number given in these error messages is the line
the error is on, but line 5 is part of the GNU announcement that this
is free software etc. etc.  Later on in the makefile we have:

     .c.o:
           $(CC) -c $(CFLAGS) $(CPPFLAGS) $(DEFS) -I$(srcdir) $<

Is there a way I can work around this error?

-John D. Boggs     uunet!erato!jdb

Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: jboggs@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (John D. Boggs)
Subject: Re: lint (was Re: various questions)
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:45:17 GMT


Okay, it's time to ask. .  .   .    .

What, pray tell, is lint?

-John D. Boggs     uunet!erato!jdb
From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Tcl to replacement most of /bin & /usr/bin (was: Tcl on Linux
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:21:50 GMT
Organization: DarkTower Software
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Er, do you want a *nix clone or DOS with MS-Windows and desqView/X?

What you have wanted taken out and the additions made is completely
against everything that POSIX stands for.

If you want single user multi-tasking in 32-bit mode without having
to worry about file permissions and stuff, get OS/2.

As for licensing and stuff, there is a place for both GNU and shrink-wrap.
Some people just want something for home they can screw around with.
Some want something with support for their business.

The reason GNU must be distributed with source is that so whoever
gets it can compile it and use it on their machine.  The only
GNU stuff that comes without source is MS-DOS stuff since MS-DOS doesn't
come with a compiler.  All POSIX opsys's do.

Also, for security, you are ensured that no one has put in any nasty
trap doors so they can grab root.

Further, if you are distributing source instead of binary, you don't
have to worry about patents and such.  Just copyleft everything.  You don't
have to recompile for 8,000 machines.  Just hand out the source, and 
people can port it themselves.

Binary distribution is used in only 2 cases 1) DOS (due to lack of a compiler),
and 2) to protect trade secrets.  If the software is free, there is no
reason to distribute a binary.

-Louis
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From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: ansipc terminfo problems
Date: 19 Nov 92 03:21:05 GMT
Organization: DarkTower Software
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Duane Davis (system@micromed.com) wrote:
: I just set mine to vt100 and all the problems went away.

I think this might be a problem with minicom rather than Coh.

The problem was reverse video screwing up.  Before I go digging
into the unknown, has anyone had the screen screw up outside of
minicom?  (Like you're using VI over the modem on another system,
and the reverse video messes up, but it's not minicom you're using).

I have a feeling this is a problem with the port since I used
minicom on Minix before, and I didn't have any problems.

-Louis
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: lint (was Re: various questions)
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:44:49 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <9211225585@umunk.GUN.de> udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
>Rick Kelly (rmk@rmkhome.UUCP) wrote:
>: In article <1992Nov21.014517.23226@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> jboggs@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (John D. Boggs) writes:
>: >
>: >Okay, it's time to ask. .  .   .    .
>: >
>: >What, pray tell, is lint?
>: 
>: The stuff that you pick out of your navel when
>: you have nothing else to do. :-)
>
>Well, a not very informative answer :-)
>
>Lint is a analyser for C sources. It checks function declarations
>agains function calls, warns about not portable constructs,
>not used variables, ignored function return values, falling
>through a case switch and a lot more. The greatest advantage
>(over ANSI C) is, that you can feed a whole project consist of
>more then one source file, through lint. It compares the function
>declaration in source file a against the function calls in
>source files b, c..., and gives warnings, if arguments are of
>the wrong type, or if the return value is used inconsistently.
>With ANSI C the programmer has to do this work writing header
>files with function prototypes. Of course there exists programs,
>which creates the prototypes from an existing source.
>And please: no hot discussions now about what is better, ANSI C
>or K&R C + lint. Both is the same, if you have to write programs
>which must be portable to older versions of UNIX use K&R C + lint,
>else use ANSI C.

Lint can be helpful, but it can also get confused at times.

The Coherent 4.0 C compiler does a surprising good job of integrating
some of the features of lint.

Back in the early '80s, Whitesmith C would try to compile anything.  We used
to say that it would probably compile the telephone book.  Lint was a badly
needed tool at that time.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: dpmoersc@spot.wrc.xerox.com (David Szlucha)
Subject: Max UUCP throughput with T2500
Organization: Xerox
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:42:50 GMT

I'm thinking about getting Coherent to bring in usenet and email to my bbs. I
have a few questions. What is the maximum throughput that can be achived with   a Telebit T2500 using the UUCP protocol? What BBS's will run under Coherent? Canuser access to the shell be timed? Thanks.

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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: UK Keyboard '#' problem
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 16:28:22 GMT

ARE WE HAVING FUN YET (h235_003@ccvax.ucd.ie) wrote:
: I'm having a slight problem with my keyboard setup under Coherent 4.0.0.
: My keyboard is a slightly non-standard UK 102 Key model - the non-standard
: bit being Key_14.  On my kbd, 14 is the '#' (shift '~') character, where as
: that UK driver with coherent has key_14 undefined.
: 
: I've tried tweaking the driver to include this key (and remove the '#' key
: it's already defined) but I *cannot* get it to work!  Has anyone got any
: suggestions ???

I've had the same problem with my german keyboard. Also I couldn't use
virtual consoles with it. On MWCBBS you'll find an update for the
keyboard driver, which allows usage of virtual consoles with not compatible
keyboards. This update also solves the problem with the '#' here.
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From: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: various questions
Reply-To: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:01:09 GMT

udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
:
: Lint may not be ported, because it's a copyrighted program from USL, which
: is part of UNIX System V. Seems that there is no public domain or freeware
: version available. If someone knows about a commercial version, which comes
: with sources and is under $100 please let me know. I would take a look
: at it and try to port it to COHERENT.
:

There is a company called Gimpel Software that sells lint in shrouded
source form for compilation on Unix systems with K&R compilers.  I
think the prices for the unix versions are more like $700.  If you are
interested in contacting them:

Gimpel Software
3207 Hogarth Lane
Collegeville PA 19426 
USA

215-584-4261
215-584-4266 (fax)

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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: W-News Help Needed
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 02:02:23 GMT

Louis Giliberto (magus@drktowr.chi.il.us) wrote:
: Speaking of W-news, I'm running 3.1 now, which is vastly improved over
: 3.0!! (Thanks, Udo!)
: 
: But it's still mangling my /usr/lib/news/active file.
: 
: Any clues and/or fixes?

3.1 still have one last bug with mangling the active file, which is fixed
here. Please sort your active file until Fred v. Kempen distributes
his next release, where my fixes are merged. Here an example, of what goes
wrong:
alt.sources.bugs xxxxx yyyyy y
alt.sources xxxxx yyyyy y
An article received for alt.sources rewrites xxxxx at the right columne,
but unfortunately in the line with alt.sources.bugs. Sort the file
so that it looks like:
alt.sources xxxxx yyyyy y
alt.sources.bugs xxxxx yyyyy y
and all wents well.
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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: various questions
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 16:49:18 GMT

BUCHANAN TIMOTHY E (buchanan@rintintin.Colorado.EDU) wrote:
[...]
: Virtual terminals. I read how to attach another keyboard to the serial port.
: Is this the virtual terminal, or can that be initiated from the console?

Virtual consoles are initiated from the console with ALT + F1, F2...
Virtual terminals can be handled with the screen3.2 package, which
is available from MWCBBS and raven.

: Has lint been ported?

Lint may not be ported, because it's a copyrighted program from USL, which
is part of UNIX System V. Seems that there is no public domain or freeware
version available. If someone knows about a commercial version, which comes
with sources and is under $100 please let me know. I would take a look
at it and try to port it to COHERENT.
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From: lauther@ZTIVAX.ZFE.SIEMENS.DE ("", Dr Ulrich Lauther)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Are we dead??
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:07:03 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>


  >	I almost hate to say this but download Linux.  In comparison with
  >Coherent, it is faster, more compatible, has X11R5, GNU everything, F77,
  >TeX, and is more reliable (at least on my machine).  I had loads of
  >problems with Coherent 3 and 4 and decided to can it until MWC ships the
  >next upgrade.  If it just had tape support and a nice C compiler, things
  >would be great.
  How do Linux and Coherent compare in terms of disc space needed? (I am
  running on a notebook)
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From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: MWCBBS modem #'s
Date: 19 Nov 92 03:21:03 GMT
Organization: DarkTower Software
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


 (dfilip@colornet.UUCP) wrote:
: Does anyone call MWCBBS using V32 ?

Yo! Here!

The list of all the modem numbers can be found in any recent news from
mwcbbs.  I would tell ya, but they might not want it public.  So just
download "news" and it has it in there.

-Louis
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From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Revivifying Coherent (was Re: Are we dead??)
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:21:45 GMT
Organization: DarkTower Software
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Kenneth R. Kress (kkress@phent.UUCP) wrote:
:  
:  > Anybody have an idea for a programming project?  I think porting is best done
:  > alone, unless it's a really big job; the communication overhead would not be 
:  > worth it.  For a start-from-scratch project, however, it would be beneficial.
:  > 
: 	I like the idea of a project.  Self-interest leads me to suggest
: we work on a new bbs. Let's throw in everyone's ideas and make a super-duper


I'm in.  Also, if I ever have the time, I'll get the device driver kit
and try and bang in some device drivers for the funky stuff.  Problem
is I don't have CD roms and stuff laying around here to test it on, but
I'll write for what I have or will buy (like a tape drive --- soon!!!).

If we all jump in together, MWC can spend more time doing the hard work
like putting in sockets and stuff, and we can just make the user-supported
stuff like Udo does all the time.  

I'll even be willing to set up a mail-server to help the development
or something.

-Louis
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From: ben@bailey.UUCP (Ben Bailey)
Subject: VESA local bus Coherent users?
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Date: 21 Nov 92 16:13:14 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ben Bailey's Home..Tampa Fl.

I'm thinking about upgrading from my Gateway 386/25 to one of their newer
486 VESA local bus systems.  

Is anyone running Coherent under that new architecture?  If so, I would
appreciate some details (brand, speed, disk drive (size, type)), etc.

Also, Byte magazine indicated some pretty impressive speeds ove the bus
speeds for ISA or EISA.  If you've got the VESA, do you realize any
speed improvement for Coherent, Dos, etc?

Thanks!

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: whedon@netcom.com (Bill Whedon)
Subject: Re: Pascal and Coherent
Keywords: n
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 08:50:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.073031.8210@coe.montana.edu> uesu03@giac1.oscs.montana.edu (Lou Glassy) writes:
>alternately, a brave soul could rewrite the ETH pascal P-4
>compiler & interpreter pair in k&r C.  it's about 5KSLOC - 4 for the
>compiler, 1 for the interpreter.  the P-4 compiler is the one from
>which many, many other pascal compilers descended; plus it's free.
>

OK, Lou, I'll bite... Where does one get this rascal?  ftp site?  Subdir?
Bill Whedon   whedon@netcom.com


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