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From: potrzebi@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (potrzebi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: overrated CDs
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 00:30:07 CST
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

kevin@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Kevin Scott) writes:

>  
> This should start a few arguments...
>  
> I'd be interested in reading about what people consider to be their 
> choices of the most overrated CDs of all time. Say 10 or so...
>  
> This is very informal, not a poll.
>  
> KS

Here goes....

1) Pink Floyd - The Wall
       A musical version of "Final Exit".

2) The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's
       What was once cutting-edge is now a little dated...
 
3) Anything by the Eagles
       I'm still trying to figure out what made this band so popular.
 
4) New Kids on the Block
       Need I say more?

5) The Knack - Get The Knack
       Can you say "take the money and run" ?

6) Judas Priest - Screaming for Vengeance
       These guys write one good song a year and manage to re-write
       it into an entire album.

7) Bryan Adams - Everything I do (etc) the single
       I'm still trying to figure out what made this SONG so popular.
       It's boring and it's crap.

8) Michael Jackson - Thriller
       What was Michael trying to prove anyway?  That he really can
       hit those high notes better than Janet?

9) The Village People (anything)
       Kinda self-explanatory.

10) Billy Joel - Glass Houses
       One of those albums you listen to, and then an hour later can't
       remember a damn thing off it.
 
That's the best I can do on short notice....
 
potrzebi

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From: Michel Goudeseune <marcelg@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Gold Master Discs?
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 17:49:41 GMT

bearce@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Phil Bearce) writes:
>Can some kind person explain if the Gold Master Discs have a better sound
>quality than the run-o-the-mill regular cd's.  They certain cost more and
>I believe they are 24K gold plated.  Does improve sound quality?

The CDs you're referring to are Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab Ultradiscs.  They
are 24kt gold, instead of the standard aluminum.  However, it's still just
metal reflecting a laser beam.  The big sound difference comes from the
mastering -- they do a much better job when creating the CD master for the
ultradiscs than for the standard aluminum discs.  If you get them for a
reasonable price, they're definitely worth the money.  eg: I paid cdn$54 for
Pink Floyd The Wall on Ultradisc.  I've seen the aluminum version for over
cdn$75, in a store (as opposed to mail order).  In an A/B comparison, there is
much more detail on the ultradisc.

Michel Goudeseune
marcelg@zooid.guild.org
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From: datta@cs.uwp.edu (David Datta)
Subject: Re: CD-lists and databases
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:51:51 GMT

T-BONE (t9014155@phillip.edu.au) wrote:
: I have missed the firsty part of the thread.  Where are these databases kept?

The databases are on ftp.uwp.edu in /pub/music/database.
ftp.uwp.edu=131.210.1.4 right now.
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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Depeche Mode -- DJ's Revenge
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:52:07 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

sysbob@pimacc.pima.edu writes:

> Unexpectedly discovered the Depeche Mode CD _DJ's Revenge_ lurking in a
> local store. 
> 		what should be a reasonable price?
> 		how widely available is this CD?
> 		and, most importantly, is it worth it?

It's a bootleg -- I have no idea what kind of circulation it's getting. 
According to posts on the Mode list, it's commanding up to $75 in some
places.  I paid $26 or so, figuring I'd shell out that much for an import
without thinking too hard about it, and that most of the remix CDs these
tracks are culled from would set me back twice that.  Is it worth it? 
How hardcore a collector are you?  Many of the mixes are pretty run-of-the-
mill (and some of them are mastered from vinyl -- not dramatically noisy,
just noticable) but on the other hand you're never going to see them
anywhere else for a reasonable price.  I don't feel particularly stupid
for having picked it up. 

You may as well buy it if the price isn't too ridiculous -- you'll have
no trouble reselling it to a hardcore modehead if you decide you don't
like it.

Here's the tracklist for the curious:

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Depeche Mode: DJ's Revenge                      bootleg remix collection album

    CD:	1992 US (Downtown Records [no catalog number])
	  3:12	Photographic (some bizarre edit)
	  4:12	Personal Jesus (kazan cathedral mix)
	  7:43	Just Can't Get Enough (disconet mix)
	  6:55	A Question Of Time (class-x remix)  [Razormaid]
	  6:56	Behind The Wheel (disconet mix)
	  6:25	Get The Balance Right (class-x remix)  [Razormaid]
	  6:05	Little 15 (bogus brothers mix)
	  3:52	Dreaming Of Me (discotrax mix)
	  6:14	Pleasure, Little Treasure (razormaid mix)
	  6:22	Behind The Wheel (razormaid mix)
	  6:57	Strangelove (razormaid mix)
	  7:19	Dangerous (art of mix)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: germ@leland.Stanford.EDU (Germain Wong)
Subject: Eric Clapton's "Tears in Heaven"
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 23:34:42 GMT


Just a quick question - does anyone know if "Tears in Heaven"
was released as a CD single?

Thanks,

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From: jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay)
Subject: Re: MFSL Pink Floyd The Wall sold out?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:48:11 GMT

When the MSFL "The Wall" was released, it was a limited edition.  In May
I heard they had reached the limit of their agreement with Sony (formerly
CSB Records Div.).  I've seen fewer and fewer copies.

Other MSFL disks soon to disappear are the Elton John MSFL discs
as these MSFL disks were liscensed from MCA in the USA.  MCA has lost 
their lease  from British DJM (a PolyGram label) to "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road"
"Tumbleweed Connection", "Madman Across the Water", and "Honky Chateau".
With MCA's rights reverting back to Polygram in the USA, MSFL versions
are not to be avaialble any longer.  But do watch for Polygram 
versions of these discs based on British masters in September, including
"...Yellow Brick Rd." on one disc.
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From: harin@iti.gov.sg (Harinderpal Singh)
Subject: Re: CULTURE CLUB/BOY GEORGE Best Of CDs Tra
Reply-To: harin@iti.gov.sg
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, S'pore
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:15:07 GMT

In article 1673@pilot.njin.net, gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky) writes:
>here's the u.k. listing for "the best of culture club".
>
>i have no clue why "the war song" isn't on it.
>
>do you really want to hurt me
> white boy
> church of the poison mind
>changing everyday
> the war song
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^

So is it on the CD or not??? :-)


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From: Raymond.B.Guillette@dartmouth.edu (Raymond B. Guillette)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: REQUEST: Looking for a Single-CD manufacturer
Date: 15 Aug 92 00:57:42 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Does anyone have an adress or number of a company that produces single
cd's from a dat master - or - the name of any company that produces
CD's in bulk...

thanks.
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From: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk (Steve Varty)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.music.marketplace
Subject: Re: War of the Worlds/Jeff Wayne
Date: 27 Aug 92 10:12:54 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:

>Dan White <DANW@WUVMD> writes:

>> I understand that there is also a CD out that has a few of the
>> songs without narration, I would be interested in that as well.

>The CD-single for Ben Liebrand's remix of "Eve Of The War" has a
>narrationless version of "Forever Autumn" on it, but that's the only one
>that comes to mind.  It's only out in Europe and Australia and is long out
>of print. 

You must be thinking of the single CD highlights album.

Steve.

At last 1 up on Lazlo :-)


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From: dutkowsk5111@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Doors Box set news +
Date: 30 Aug 92 14:18:39 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Has anyone heard anything about the new Doors Boxed set coming out?  I know
it's supposed to be here for christmas, and that Ray is putting it together,
but has anyone heard anything else?  Also, I would be interested in finding
some Diehard Doors collectors to trade live shows with.  Or if you have
something you think is rare, e-mail me.  I KNOW I have something you don't
have.  See ya.
-Dave
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From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: BMG vs. Columbia House CD clubs
Keywords: CD, BMG, Columbia
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:50:06 GMT

ewing@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (David Ewing) writes:
>In a nutshell:

>Columbia House has a MUCH better selection.
>BMG has MUCH better prices and a MUCH better initial offer.

>The initial obligation:

>Columbia House  -- get 8 discs but you have to buy 6 in two or three
>years at full price (usually 14.98).  You get your 8 discs free
>right up front.

Columbia has multiple membership plans, but maybe not always available. 
I joined under a buy 1 disc get 4 free program via Prodigy, but the ads
there now are all for the 8/6 plan. So maybe the 4/1 plan was a trial
on their part - it was certainly a *much* better deal than the standard
offer. Another Columbia membership deal was FREE with Sony cd players last
year or so - if you bought a Sony cd player you got a membership and four
free discs and NO obligation to buy anything else, ever. I got a coupon
like this with a factory reconditioned unit I bought "new" for $49!  

>BMG -- Buy one (14.98 - 15.98), get 7 free.  You get 4 up front.  
>After you buy 1, you get the other 3.

I joined BMG and it's taken me months to try to get my initial cds - I got
the first four ok, then I waited a month or two before ordering my first 
disk - I ordered it, got a Cassete shipped in error, and it took two phone 
calls and about two months for the package return labels, now I have to 
wait for the cd to come, pay for it and then I get to try to get my other
4 cds - and I want to try to make that a 4cd box set, but I hear they may
balk on that. I'm frustrated that it's taken me six months plus and I
still haven't even got my first order filled or all my free disks yet. 

My $.02 - Columbia isn't really worth it on their standard 8/6 offer. BMG
is a good deal but has a more limited selection and presses their own discs, 
which may effect resale value or quality. I was surprised that the discs
I got from Columbia were original pressings, like one on Rykodisc I got 
from them. 

Both make you mail back a card each month or they auto ship something you
probably don't want. Tell them you are going on vacation for a couple of
months and they'll offer to let you switch to a plan that doesn't require
you to mail the card back each time... 

 - malcolm@wrs.com
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From: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (R. Lynn Rardin)
Subject: Re: Sony mini-disc?
Reply-To: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:38:40 GMT

In article <17tftbINNfio@early-bird.think.com>, Paco_Ojeda_Gonzalez@macmailgw.dfci.harvard.edu (Paco Ojeda) writes:

[discussion of MD vs. DCC formats deleted]

>And speaking of skipping, Fisher now makes a new portable CD player that,
>just like MD and DCC, reads ahead some of the musical material (in this
>case, by rotating the CD at twice the given speed) and storing it in a
>buffer, thus allowing time to compensate for skips and such. Can you jog
>with it? Probably not.

Sony also has a model out with this feature.  But it's _very_ expensive 
(I think the price I saw at Tweeter was between $400 and $500).  Neat idea, 
though.  I think the buffering capacity of these players is on the order of
3-4 sec.  One other note--your batteries won't last nearly as long when the 
player is in its antiskip mode, due to the fact that the disk has to be spun 
twice as fast.

-Lynn

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Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: chris@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Christian Bartholdsson)
Subject: Re: What's an EP?
Organization: INRIA Sophia Antipolis, France
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:27:06 GMT

In article <1941@coyote.UUCP>, ebm@corvair.almaden.ibm.com (Eli Messinger) writes:
> EPs come/came in both 33 and 45.  While they've not been used in the USA
> very much, they were very common in England, especially in the 60's, when
> LP's weren't the main sales point.  Very popular groups (e.g., the Beatles)
> often released EP's of their new songs, before an album issue.

Most English indie bands still release EPs.  I suppose they call them that
to emphasise that they're not " 12" singles ", which nowadays means 
"lots of remixes".  

- chris@kuling.docs.uu.se
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From: rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Lyle Lovett CD's
Keywords: She's no moose
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:16:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamsun.1992Aug28.181632.11470
Organization: The Hosequarium South

In article <1992Aug28.170142.29255@news.uiowa.edu>, jallaman@asgaard.uhl.uiowa.edu (John Allaman) writes:
|> I have 4 Lyle Lovett CD's:
|>     Joshua Judges Ruth
|>     Lyle Lovett and His Large Band
|>     Pontiac
|>     Lyle Lovett (1986 release)
|> 

you have them all.  Great stuff, all of it.  Actually, there's
at least one CD single from JJR, but it doesn't have any extra
tracks (I don't think) which aren't elsewhere.

GO SEE LYLE IN CONCERT.

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From: cmfb@cray.com (Chris Bone)
Subject: Compact Disk Connection
Followup-To: cmfb@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research Inc
Date: 25 Aug 92 15:25:10 CDT


If you have the dial-in number for the Compact Disk Connection please mail it
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From: doucet@ripolin.laas.fr (Jean-Etienne Doucet,149,6323)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: overrated CDs
Date: 26 Aug 92 09:04:46 GMT
Reply-To: doucet@ripolin.laas.fr
Organization: LAAS-CNRS, Toulouse (France)

In article oPg2PB3w164w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca, kevin@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Kevin Scott) writes:
> 
>I'd be interested in reading about what people consider to be their 
>choices of the most overrated CDs of all time. Say 10 or so...
> 
>I can think of AT LEAST ten, but I'll wait for someone else to start the 
>ball rolling.  Maybe include a few comments as to why as well.
> 
>This is very informal, not a poll.
> 
>KS
>
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(Excuse me but english is not my usual language.)
What do you mean by `overrated CD' ? Falsely praised ?
Unduly sold by millions ?
I know what an overrated musician is, but not a CD...

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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: CULTURE CLUB/BOY GEORGE Best Of CDs Track Listings
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 01:58:54 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete
Followup-To: rec.music.misc

gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky) writes:

> here's the u.k. listing for "the best of culture club". i have no clue
> why "the war song" isn't on it. 

I have no clue why Virgin think CC need another best-of compilation when the
band split shortly after the release of the last one!

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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: War of the Worlds/Jeff Wayne
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 03:52:13 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:

>> I understand that there is also a CD out that has a few of the songs
>> without narration, I would be interested in that as well. 
>
> The CD-single for Ben Liebrand's remix of "Eve Of The War" has a
> narrationless version of "Forever Autumn" on it...It's only out in
> Europe and Australia and is long out of print.  

Ooolp!  Michael Schuster reassures me that the "Eve Of The War" CD5 *is*
still available in Australia.  The catalog number is Columbia 657 447 2,
and the disc has the LP and short Ben Liebrand mixes on it, plus the
narrationless "Forever Autumn".  Sorry about that -- I assumed the copy a
friend found for me there a few months back was just a leftover.  

I bet the 1979 disco mix of "Eve Of The War" isn't on CD, though. :-)

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From: piscine@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (henry bart)
Subject: Re: BMG vs. Columbia House CD clubs
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-9603]: rs1.tcs.tulane.edu
Keywords: CD, BMG, Columbia
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:10:18 GMT

> I have been interested in joining a CD club lately. I would like to
> hear from people who have experience with both the Columbia House and
> BMG Compact Disc clubs.

I've been in both clubs (still am as a matter of fact) but don't recommend
them any more.  Instead, dial 1-800-648-7972 to call Noteworthy Music.  Ask
for their current catalog and you'll have it by the end of the week.  The
selection is far, far better and the prices are much, much lower than the
clubs.  They have an excellent reputation.  Brand new releases are only 
$12.04 and older releases get as low as $7.70.  Shipping is $3.75 (UPS
ground) for 1-5 CDs and $4.00 for 6-10 CDs.  I'm cancelling membership in the
clubs and dealing with Noteworthy from now on.  Oh, and they take check or
credit card.  It takes a wee bit longer for a check (for clearance) but you'll
have a charged order within a few days after placing it.


	Mike


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From: rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: BMG vs. Columbia House CD clubs
Keywords: CD, BMG, Columbia
Date: 4 Sep 1992 20:22:29 GMT
Organization: Academic Computing Services

In article <malcolm.715632606@wrs.com>, malcolm@wrs.com writes:
|> 
|> My $.02 - Columbia isn't really worth it on their standard 8/6 offer. BMG
|> is a good deal but has a more limited selection and presses their own discs, 
|> which may effect resale value or quality. I was surprised that the discs
|> I got from Columbia were original pressings, like one on Rykodisc I got 
|> from them. 
|> 

Uh, you better check again.  *Most* (notice "most", not all) CDs that
come from Columbia House are manufactured by them.  They just aren't
as blatant as BMG about noting it on the box.  Look at the back...a little
"CRC" symbol means you got a Columbia House manufactured disk.  Sometimes
they even say "Disc manufactured by Columbia House under Liscense" or
somesuch.  I've only gotten one or two over the years that weren't.

Oh, I have *NEVER* noticed any difference in quality between Columbia House
or BMG pressings (there's an antiquated term) and the regular ones I buy
in the store.

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From: "steve campbell" <steve.campbell@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: clan of the cave bear
Date: 23 Aug 92 15:50:16 EST
Reply-To: "steve campbell" <steve.campbell@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

JA>Does anyone know if the sountrack to "Clan of the Cave Bear" exists
JA>on CD?.  And how about the soundtrack to "Starman"?  The
JA>synclavier scores for these movies are pretty interesting.
JA>However, I can't seem to locate either of them.  Any information
JA>would be greatly appreciated.

Starman (Jack Nitzsche): Varese Sarabande VSD-47220 (US/Canada)
        Don't ask who this label is - it's all I get from my catalogues.

I have nothing on Clan..., sorry.

Sincerely,
Steve.Campbell@canrem.com
Ottawa, Canada
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