HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (just another theatre geek)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: 65 Kira Fan List.
Date: 26 Jan 1993 20:55:41 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

In article <93026.40201.L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>Since there are people out there who feel so strongly about
>not wanting the list in r.a.s.c, then I will refrain from posting
>it.

	Don't post in rec.arts.startrek.current. Put it in *.misc,
where it belongs.

>Ah, go ahead and post it.  So people get mad so what.  As the disclaimer
>says on my news reader:  IF YOU FIND ANY SUBJECT MATTER UNAGREEABLE OR
>OFFENSIVE PLEASE REFRAIN FROM READING THAT MATERIAL IN THE FUTURE.
>The "we don't want to talk about women" whiners can just refrain from
>reading those articles.
>
>Scott (flame away--I don't care...) VanArtsdalen

	I'd think you'd get an F for reading comprehension. This isn't
a topic for .current; it's for .misc.

	Then, too, why the hell do you want to add to the traffic here
when everybody and their cousin are screaming about splitting the group???

-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW, Uncle Bonsai Memorial Fan Club
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
From: stigers@mail.physics.utah.edu (charles stigers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Where is TNG?
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:47:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Utah - Physics Department

In article <4829@vidiot.UUCP>, brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
|> In article <93022.140008AUMTS@ASUACAD.BITNET> AUMTS@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:
|> <Supposedly new TNG episodes are on Monday at 9 o'clock on fox networks.(15 in
|> <Phoenix ) new Ds9 Tuesday at 9 o' reruns of TNG Weds-Fri at 9 Ds9 reruns are
|> <on Sat at 6 pm.  St is on at 11 am and then reruns of TNG at 6 on Sundays.
|> 
|> DAMN!!!!  Why can't net reader's get it through their thick skulls that TNG
|> and DS9 are NOT on the Fox network.  Period.  Never has never will.
|> 
|> It is posted here over and over and over and over and over and over and over ...
|> -- 
|>       harvard\                          spool.cs.wisc.edu!astroatc!vidiot!brown
|> Vidiot  ucbvax!uwvax..........!astroatc!vidiot!brown
|>       rutgers/            INTERNET:vidiot!brown%astroatc.UUCP@spool.cs.wisc.edu
|>                                    brown@wi.extrel.com

   Well...  maybe becasue it IS on FOX in SOME places.  Like here in SLC.
I never would have thought it myself, except I'm here and it's there on
FOX on Sat. we get last week's episode (for those who missed it or something)
and on Sun. we get the new week's episode, then every week night there are the
reruns of "vintage" TNG.

      Chris Stigers
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord")
Subject: Re: The Definite STAR TREK Parody Chapter 12  (DS9)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:49:34 GMT


	You should have named the friendly Cardassian
"Martin".  He sounds a lot like the character from V.


						-Quinn
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: johnnyp@HALDI.LCS.MIT.EDU (Johnny Piscitello)
Subject: Re: DS9 Editorial: So far, so good
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 23:50:41 GMT

In article <mss1-280193152412@uncle-mikey.cit.cornell.edu> mss1@cornell.edu (Michael S. Shappe) writes:
>=======================================================================
>Deep Space Nine Progress Report One: So far, So good
>by Michael Shappe <mss1@cornell.edu>
>
>Actually, "Inner Light" is a good example of another pitfall that the
>Staff MUST get away from. TNG has a bad habit of ignoring events that
>should cause major psychological changes in their characters, with the
>result that their credibility is starting to suffer. For example,
>Picard should show far more after-effects of having essentially lived
>an entire lifespan as someone else! He should be far more affected by
>his time as a Borg! And he certainly should not be back on the bridge
>mere hours after days being tortured! This is unrealistic and naive,
>and I find it somewhat insulting that the Staff seem to think that no
>one in their audience will NOTICE!

	I disagree here. Because people like you and me are ardent
fans who won't miss an episode, we want the type of continuity that you
list above. The problem is that Start Trek is EPISODIC television. You want
characters to have life-changing experiences, go watch the daytime soaps or
LA. Law. Picard did not completely change who he was because the Picard we saw 
before The Inner Light was a formula that is popular, makes Paramount alot of
money, and is appealing to the mass-audience outside of hardcore fans
like us.

	Of course people in the core audience will notice this. But the thing
is, the continuity you suggest has pitfalls. So does doing away with
Treknology. Without the holodeck, you don't get Moriarty or Barclay.
i.e., you limit the stories you can tell.

	"Real SF", as you call it, isn't about "believable technology". It's
about making up technology in order to find deeper truths about the real
world we live in. Yes, you have to be smart enough about it to not insult
the audience. But I believe TNG fulfills this requirement. And I'm a EECS
major, they have to please me more than anyone!

	With the continuity you suggest, viewers would have to see more
previous episodes to understand what is going on. That's
not the concept behind TNG. The reason why we don't see more continuity
is that Berman and Pillar themselves *don't want it*. They have a mass-audience
to build, in syndicated markets no less, and it is harder to do if people can't
always tune in, watch an episode, and enjoy it. 

	We may not like it, but come on. If you never see Picard's flute again,
are you going to stop watching TNG? I thought not. Besides, the show has
an amazing amount of continuity as it is. Even this week, they're bringing
back a character we haven't seen in 4 seasons...and you can be damn sure
they'll have their bases covered.

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From: mike@bert.cs.byu.edu (Michael S. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: DS9 question and more
Date: 26 Jan 1993 20:51:08 GMT
Organization: Brigham Young University, Utah
NNTP-Posting-Host: bert.cs.byu.edu

I think the idea of the two communicating could be explained
that we, and the captain, perceive reality as linear through time
so we enterpret the communication so as to fit our senses.  If they could
communicate their entire question so we could understand it, it would have
to be enterpreted or translated to fit our needs.  If the question existed
maybe it is their throughtout what we call time and we can find the start
and go through it linearly.  There is more than just linear written comm-
unication.  What we read here is left to right, top to bottom.  A graph or
chart could communicate and it is not perceived linearly.  Like they say 
-- A picture is worth a thousand words.  Maybe as humans, even though we
exist linearly, we have the capability of non-linear understanding.
From: n9248086@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Matthew Daniels)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Opinion of DS9
Date: 22 Jan 93 07:02:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1993Jan22.070217.28299
Distribution: rec
Organization: Western Washington University


Nice soap opera.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: ALI00BAW@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU
Subject: Re: Duras Sisters' Cleavage
Organization: UNC Charlotte
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:42:28 GMT

In article <16B5B10B30.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>
YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
 
>
>   For further comments, please edit the header so that the follow-ups
>go to rec.arts.startrek.misc;
>
>In article <1ji0dcINNs40@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
>mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary) writes:
>
>>
>>
>>In the original series episode where the Enterprise is forced
>>to fight a group of Klingons.  The science officer of the Klingon
>>ship is a woman.  And the Captain's wife.
>>--
>    The episode in question is "The Day of the Dove."  However, just to
>be contrary, in "The Trouble with Tribbles", the Klingon Captain implies
>that the Klingons need shore leave because they do not carry any
>"non-essentials" (while pantomining a female figure), thus presumably
>implying that Klingons ships do not carry females.  (The information came
>originally from David Gerrald's _Trouble with Tribbles_ book, but I have
>since checked the tape, and it's there.)
>   Of course now we got to start wondering about whether K-7 space station
>includes a brothel, and what kind of hookers would start servicing Klingons...
>:-)
>
>   Junsok Yang
The impression I have gotten was that Klingon women CAN enter the Fleet, but
are restricted to "shore duty" UNLESS they are assigned to the same ship as
a close male relative who sponsors them.  Usually this means a husband, but
I presume this can mean also a brother, or a father sponsoring a grown
daughter, or a grown son sponsoring his mother.  Things may have changed
by the time of TNG, but neither of the Duras princesses were thinking of
taking the throne themselves, but were going to set up their little brother
as a puppet-figure; this would indicate that the Klingons, in addition to
their other faults, had many (to our way of thinking) limited ideas of the
place of women.
 
 
 
Another Rust-Belt Yankee Exile in Charlotte!
 
Any opinions expressed are mine, not those of the Atkins Library.
 
Bruce Alan Wilson ali00baw@unccvm.uncc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Andrea Aldridge)
Subject: Re: Susie Plakson - former roles?
Keywords: Susie Plakson roles
Organization: Western Washington University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:20:56 GMT

In article <C1I1p0.81I@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>
>Well, first off, she's been on TNg before, as the Vulcan doc Selar.
>She is currently on "Love and War".
>
>She also appeared once or twice on Beauty and the Beats, as one of 
>Cathy Chandler's close friends.
>
She ALSO currently does the voice for Monica, the four-legged dinosaur in ABC's
"Dinosaurs."  Incidentally, Monica and Roy are getting hitched this Friday p.m.
-- 
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From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Shatner
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:19:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1jo04iINNdmf@mojo.eng.umd.edu>, clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes...
> 
>    Just a rumor.  I saw something on one of these morning shows (Regis
>and Kathy Lee?) where Shatner was a guest, and there was some talk about
>having him direct (gasp!) a movie based on one of the Tek stories that
>he's written.   It's supposedly in the very early stages, having only
>been recently suggested.

     A TV series, said the New York Times sunday A&E section
     several months ago, which Shatner would produce, direct
     and [perhaps] star in.  I think the proposal was in the
     early stages, and I don't remember a studio attachment
     being announced (although one wonders if Paramount would
     back it if asked?).  

     Anyway, did I miss it, or is it now common knowledge that
     Shatner _DID NOT_ in fact write any of those Tek books; they
     were ghostwritten.

     Scott Gorcey
From: guest@chopin.Physics.McGill.CA (Muhep Guest account)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: What was the name of the colony mentioned in "The Wounded"?
Date: 23 Jan 93 02:12:07 GMT
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada

OK, in "The Wounded", O'Brien refers to a massacre that occurred in a
colony that unknowingly was in Cardassian space.  (It is also mentioned
by O'Brien in DS9: "The Emissary".)  What was the name of that colony?
Thanks in advance.

Martin Phipps
LOULA@hep.physics.mcgill.ca
From: ko_mike@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Michael Y Ko)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Tech Manual
Date: 24 Jan 1993 19:26:38 -0500
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu


Are there any hints if Michael Okuda and Rick Sternbach are going to release
a
a tech manual for Deep Space Nine? Or is it do soon?

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: laser5@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Mayo)
Subject: Re: Prime Detective?!
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date: 23 Jan 93 03:27:55 GMT

In <ivy.727749160@camelot> ivy@camelot.bradley.edu (Ivelisse Atiles) writes:

>I was reading the Star Trek: The Next Generation novel "Boogeymen"
>and I came across a book description in the back cover for a book
>called "Prime Detective."  I have never seen nor heard of this book,
>nor is it listed at the beginnings of later ST books.  Did this book
>ever come out? Sorry if it's a stupid question, but I pretty much keep
>up with the books.

Yes Ivy.  It did come out.  Sorry I don't remember the copyright date.
I think it was a limited edition hardback.  My hometown library has a
copy.  I don't think it ever came out in paperback.  At least, not
yet.  (one can always hope :)
From: wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Peter A. David...our hero?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 17:42:33 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: coke.eng.umd.edu
Originator: wombat@coke.eng.umd.edu

In article <74498@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>Now the "Deep Space 9" novel I'm working on for publication in May...*that*
>is an orginal novel.

Are they letting you do the "Scotty visits DS9" story that you mentioned
a couple months back? (either here or on QVC)  


-- 
Jose Gonzalez                

                          
Organization: Sophomore, Mathematics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:35:50 -0500 
From: Sachin Anand Mhaskar <sm76+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Rejuvenation


I just saw the episode "Rascals" in which Picard, Guinan, Keiko and Ro
turn into children, and I was wondering of the possibility of using
transporter technology to rejuvenate the old.  In the episode, the
transporter pattern of each person was used to get them back to normal. 
This has been used a couple of times (The episode where Picard becomes
an energy form and the one in which Dr. Pulaski ages premature leap to
mind).  What prevents people from saving a transporter pattern of
themselves when their young, and when they get really old, beam them
back into their young bodies.  I am not suggesting that this become
standard practice in the ST universe, but it can be used.  

Well, instead of going so far as rejuvenating people, so nobody ever
dies, how about using transporter technology to cure people.  Say, a
person who had a disfiguring accident can be beamed back into a past
pattern and be as good as new.  Worf could have used it in the episode
where he lost the use of his legs.  Just beam him back to the body he
had before he became injured, and voila, Worf is recycled.

I don't know if this thread has ever been started before, but if there
was some sort of final answer to it, I'm interested in finding out. 
Please excuse me for my frequent use of the phrase "in the episode
where"; I'm not too good with episode names.


                                  Sachin Mhaskar
                              sm76+@andrew.cmu.edu
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From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: READ THIS! O'Brien's Rank!
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:56:29 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

00rdharringt@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Rob Harrington) writes:

>You NEVER call an NCO 'sir', unless you want to be hung by your thumbs.  The 
>way you address an NCO is by their rank... A CPO is address by the title
>"Chief", Master Chief is addressed "Master Chief", 
>a sargent of any rank, with the exception of MSG, 1SG and Sargent
>Major, are addressed as "Sargent".  Those three are addressed by their ranks.

>But you never never never call and NCO 'sir'!

    To assume that NCOs of the 24th century would be clinging to the
same tired old ways of the 20th is a bit far fetched IMHO.

-Hades
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From: qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord")
Subject: Re: homosexuality in ST
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:02:39 GMT


	When the creative staff of TNG were discussing the
possibility of a homosexual crew member, Gene Roddenberry was
first in favor of the idea, but Bob Justman was quoted as
asking him, "What do you want?  Lieutenant Tooty-Fruity?"
Although, this was rather undelicately put, it ended
discussion, and you can see the larger problems behind it.
						-Quinn
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: prv2d@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU ()
Subject: Re: CHERYL (SP?) GATES MCFADD
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:59:42 GMT

In article <93021.27096.L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>I heard that she also had something to do with HBO's Dream On.  Does
>anyone know what?
>
>Scott (dream a little dream) VanArtsdalen


   Yeah, according to a con report posted on rec.arts.startrek.info, she
appears in an episode of Dream On. The poster didn't mention which
episode, or when it will air (or if it had already). She was not in the
episode shown last night on HBO, though :)

   Peter
From: tmm@asns.tredydev.Unisys.COM (Tim McCaffrey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Anyone tell me who...
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:41:41 GMT
Organization: Unisys Corporation, Devon Engineering Offices

"The Gamesters of Triskilion" (or something like that).  I forgot
her characters name.  She later went on to do great things like
porn films (no, I don't know the titles) and to pose naked in 
"mens" magazines.

					Tim McCaffrey
From: pfritsch@skid.ps.uci.edu (Paul Fritschle)
Subject: Re: Old ships in TNG and the Constitution class
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: Miskatonic University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: 23 Jan 93 02:58:45 GMT

susher@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

>In ST:TNG most of the star ships in general use are very similar to those in
>the ST films. ie by that time at least 70 to 80 years old. Why is it then that
>the Constitution class ships after having effectively a complete rebuild only
>ten years before the new ships were built, incorporating all the latest
>equipment of the time, have been phased out by TNG?

Well, remember that the Constitution Class ships are, by the time of
the movies, at least 20 years old (25 by the time of the last movie).
So, they would be at least 100 years old by this time. The older ships
seen in TNG, on the other hand, have only been Excelsior class, which
would be no more than 75 years old, perhaps younger. So age is a
factor.
Also, the Technical Manual (which is basically canon, since it is what
the writers are given) suggests that the new configuration of the ship
is necessary for the newer engines. So, the older ships just couldn't
compete in terms of speed.
--

Paul Fritschle                                         pfritsch@skid.PS.UCI.EDU
                 Have you hugged YOUR shoggoth today?
From: wolfram@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Wolfram Kresse)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: hate
Date: 27 Jan 1993 14:44:12 GMT
Organization: TU Darmstadt
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rbhp26.rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de

In article <1993Jan24.033509.29092@newstand.syr.edu>, crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.EDU (Christopher R. Dunlea) writes:
> In article <1jppmdINN8uu@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
> >In <gd.02kv@evil.Demon.Co.Uk> gd@evil.demon.co.uk writes:

[stuff deleted.]

> >> I vomit westerly to the bastard nation.
> >
> >  Yeah, but at least we know how to make a decent sandwich.  And send more
> >beer! :-)
> >
> Yeah, and we don't substitute ground pork for our hamburgers! It's 
> sad when the best hamburger you can get in a country is from Burger King.
> 

...and the worst is from McDonalds! Yuck.

(Sorry, couln't resist.)

> Chris

Wolfram

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From: chittend@ecst.csuchico.edu (Robert R. Chittenden)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Whorehouses on DS9
Date: 27 Jan 1993 22:01:20 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu


Somebody wrote that he/she saw something in a magazine about
whorehouses on DS9....They are more than likely talking Quark's
holosuites in which you can live out ANY FANTASY you want.



Xref: sparky rec.arts.startrek.misc:14242 rec.arts.startrek.tech:7670
From: skoester@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Scott A Koester)
Subject: Starlog...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:45:30 GMT


   Can anybody give me a number to call (or address to write to) about getting 
Starlog?  I have no Trek catalogs and would like to start receiving one.



Scott Koester
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: reed@prism.sps.mot.com (Tim Reed)
Subject: Re: Updates to vidiot's guide
Organization: SPS
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:14:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.154123.26978@newsgate.sps.mot.com>  
reed@prism.sps.mot.com (Tim Reed) writes:
> Is the 601 update to vidiot's guide required if I get the 602  
update  
> or is the 602 update an update of the 600 release?
> 
> --
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Never mind. I see that the 601 updates are gone from coe.montana. I  
guess that answers my question. The 602 update obviously must be from  
the 600 release. Thanks anyway.

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