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From: eager@eagercon.com (Michael J. Eager)
Subject: Re: Pre-Sex Contract
Reply-To: eager@eagercon.com
Organization: Eager Consulting
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:49:16 GMT

In article 19811@netcom.com, rohwerwd@netcom.com (Mr. Tickle Monster) writes:
>     That is a double standard.  The woman has state-mandated responsibility
>only to herself.  The man has state-mandated responsibility to the woman and
>child.  Therefore, the woman has state-mandated power over that man.

This is one of the most garbled ideas I've ever heard.  You don't believe that
the woman has responsibility for the child?  And where do you get the idea that
the man has any legal responsibility for the woman, unless they are married?

This is nonsense.

---
Michael J. Eager		Michael.Eager@eagercon.com
Eager Consulting		(415) 325-8077 
1960 Park Boulevard, Palo Alto, CA 94306-1141

Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: desiree@netcom.com (Desiree Champagne)
Subject: Re: A cup of wisdom
Summary: Get a clue.  Get a user's manual.  
Organization: Disassociated People, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:02:58 GMT

In article <1gaho1INN21j@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.HLA@forsythe.stanford.edu
 (Lisa A. Haupt) writes a throughly confusing article...

<article deleted for my sanity>

	Uh, Seahaggy?

	That article made absolutely *no* sense.  If you were trying to
be witty, amusing or just plain inflammatory -- you miserably failed.

	Try again.  We'll wait...

Desiree

Newsgroups: ba.singles,soc.singles,soc.men,soc.women,alt.flame
From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
Subject: Re: Duck and Jive (was Re: Pre-Sex Contract )
Organization: Who, me???
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:18:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.212743.19227@netcom.com> desiree@netcom.com (Desiree Champagne) writes:
>
>
>	No, I don't want a meal ticket.  Gave that up when I graduated
>from grammer school and moved onto 7th grade.  I make enough money to
>support myself in a manner to which I could become indebted.  All by 
>myself.  (Eric Carman's birthday just passed...)  And I make enough
>money to pull any child I may spawn down with me.  Glub, glub, glub.
>
>	See -- big difference here RawNervedCreature, I see people as
>people (where men are men and women are women or however it goes) and
>I don't look at a sexual partner as a potential "way out of
>something".  If I make a mistake in life, I'm a Big Kid and I handle
>it.  I don't run away from my responsibilities whining and crying to
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>MommyGovernment.  
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That's exactly what a lot of so-called "women" do, though. It's become a 
convenient crutch. A hiding place from the real world. A backslide to the 
times of Sugar Daddies and the Helpless Dependent Little Girls that rely upon
them. That's why there's a desperate need for paternity child reform. 
Time to move into the nineties and on into the next millenium.

>	As I've said before:  if you wanna play the game -- you better
>be prepared for zee consequences.  

Yup. No more relying on Big Brother to extract subsidies for your unilateral 
decisions from unwilling victims. Sounds good to me. Let's make it happen.

>	I don't worry about getting knocked up.  I don't worry about
>having a man leave me if that happened.  

Then why do you defend the paternity child support statutes? They're nothing
nothing more than a Security Blanket and a Care Bear for weak "women" who DO
worry about getting knocked up and left by a man, n'est-ce pas?

>	Perk up your ears and unhand yourself for a minute.  Done
>that?  Good.  Now, step two: Lean in close to your screen and read
>this:
>
>	 The world is not divided into a large game lot.  This is not a
>	win/win or win/lose proposition.

True. It's a fixed game where the man always loses. Time for a new deal.

								- Kevin
From: max@frame.com (Max Hoffmann)
Newsgroups: ba.announce
Subject: "Nutcracker Sweetie" in Oakland this weekend
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:24:20 GMT
Reply-To: max@frame.com (Max Hoffmann)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Frame Technology Corp

Dance Brigade presents
A REVOLUTIONARY NUTCRAKER SWEETIE
(a politically correct update to "The NutCracker")
 
at the Scottish Rite Temple
1547 Lakeside Drive (at Lake Merrit), Oakland
510/465-3686 for details
 
DATES:  Fri Dec 18 thru Sun Dec 20 at 8pm
        2pm matinees on Sat/Sun
 
COST:   $15 @ door, $13 in advance $10 children/seniors/disabled
        Adv tiks at Mama Bear Books in Oakland, La Pen~a in Berkely
        and Modern Times Bookstore in San Francisco
        Also available from BASS (slightly higher with handling fee)
 
PLOT (as per KPFA interview Wed am): the Greedmore's revolutionary,
lesbian daughter comes home for the holidays with various "dolls" she
purchased in Africa for the servants. She gives an African Freedom
Fighter doll (the nutcracker) to Clara, the latina servant who has no
self esteem.
 
Through a magical journey, where each of the dolls comes to life
(giving excuses for russian/chinese/etc dances, as per the original)
... Clara goes through a journey of self awareness and emerges
empowered. One dance called "Freedom for the Motherland" has a box
burst open with dozens of "South African" children emerging.
 
This ballet will also be unique in that it includes "variously abled"
(handicapped) members from the group called ACCESS. The show is
definitely family entertainment... at the end, children from the
audience often come on stage and join the jubilant cast.
 
Descriptions from past showings indicate that characters emerge from
within the audience, and at points the audience is literally
"surrounded" by the cast. The Scottish Temple is huge, and seats
something like 1200, so you may want to bring your opera glasses.

-- 
Max Hoffmann

The views expressed herein are strictly my own, and are 
not necessarily those of my employer.
From: whorfin@pixar.com (Rick Sayre)
Newsgroups: ba.announce
Subject: Trigram:  A Robotic Opera
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:25:00 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: At Home; San Jose, CA USA

Trigram:  A Robotic Opera

Trigram is a performance of computer controlled robotic musical sculptures;
newly invented instruments modeled after the inner forms of the human
body.  A group of musicians, singers and dancers interact with the sculptures
and musical props to create a sequence of actions that unfold within a musical
structure.

Bruce Darby:  		Chico MacMurtrie:	Rick Sayre:
 Musical Director	 Artistic Director	 Technical Director

Software Score and Robotic Motion:
	Phillip Roberstson

Written by:
	Bruce Darby

Computer Animation:
	Rick Sayre

Lighting Design:
	Christopher Fleming

Musicians and Singers:
	Pati Airey, Beth Brown, Eva Festa, Patricia Gay, Hal Hughes,
	Emi Kavoto, Bill Quinn, Jason Ranier, Mike Shannon, Peter Whitehead

Roles Developed and Performed by:
	Nao Bustamante, Brechin Flournoy, Hannah Sim, Mark Steger, Teresa Smith

At Theater Artaud
450 Florida Street at 17th in SF
December 10-20
Thursday through Sunday at 8:30pm; $10 Thursday, $14 Friday through Sundays
$2 off if purchased 24 hours in advance
Tickets:	(415) 621-7797
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Subject: [Weekly post] ba.announce moderation policies [last modified: Nov 24 1992]
Organization: At Home; San Jose, CA USA
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Newsgroups: ba.announce
From: bobt@zeus.net.com (Bob Tykulsker)
Subject: Engineering Outreach '93 planning meeting
Organization: At Home; San Jose, CA USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:49:54 GMT

                          Discover "E" Outreach Program

        In association with National Engineers Week, engineers throughout
        the Bay Area will be participating in the local Discover "E" (E for
        engineering) outreach program on February 14-27, 1993.  Discover "E"
        is a nationwide student outreach program to expose elementary,
        junior, and senior high school students to engineering and cultivate
        their interest in math, science, and engineering.

        Local engineers will visit schools in our area to discuss what
        engineers do.  They will illustrate the importance of education in
        math and science, not only for a career in engineering, but simply
        as preparation for living in our increasingly complex world.

        Although only initiated in 1990, Discover "E" has grown to become
        the largest outreach effort of its kind sponsored by the engineering
        profession.  Over 30,000 engineers are expected to participate
        throughout the United States.  The Silicon Valley Engineering
        Council (SVEC) is coordinating the local program.  They expect to
        place as many as 500 engineers in local schools during Engineers
        Week, contacting over 15,000 students and teachers.

        Lucy Hsu, a director of the SVEC, will serve as the local coor-
        dinator for this program.  Her committee includes engineers from
        a number of organizations, but is in need of many more volunteers.
        They need these volunteers both now, to help coordinate the program,
        and in February, when the outreach effort takes place.

        What can you do?  You can sign up to visit a school in your area -
        close to work, home, or wherever you'd like.  While you're at it,
        talk to your friends, colleagues, clients, or other members of
        your organization; perhaps you could find a group of people to
        participate.

        Don't know what to say in front of students?  Don't worry - the
        Discover "E" Committee will provide an orientation session, and
        you'll be given a packet of materials to take with you.

        Still have your doubts?  Well, even if you never want to set foot
        inside a classroom, they can still use your help.  There is a lot
        of work which must be done to coordinate all the engineers, set up
        training, contact schools, etc.

        We have all heard about the declining state of education in this
        country and the needs of schools in our communities.  This is your
        chance to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!  Best of all, it will only require
        a couple hours of your time.  There will be a planning meeting on
	Thursday, January 14, 1993 at 6:30pm in Mountain View. You can get 
	more information by calling 
	Lucy Hsu (lucy@acuson.com) at (w) 415-694-5886 or (h) 415-960-3760, or 
	David Levinson at (w) 415-424-2658.

Newsgroups: ba.announce
From: max@frame.com (Max Hoffmann)
Subject: Don't miss "A Karen Carpenter Christmas"
Keywords: Carpenter tacky theatre Valencia Cassidy
Reply-To: max@frame.com (Max Hoffmann)
Organization: Frame Technology Corp
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:28:36 GMT

Wondering what "really San Francisco sort of thing" to do 
with those out of town relatives you're saddled with over 
the holidays?
 
Take them to "A Karen Carpenter Christmas" at the Marsh 
Theatre on Valencia in San Francisco! This witty, bitchy satire
at times hits so close to the genuine article, you'll half expect 
to see one of Suzanne Sommers' ACE hardware TV commercials to 
come on.
 
Katie Guthorn attains just the right look, from the hideous eyebrows 
to the dorky pant suits. Her vocal delivery is extremely close to 
Ms. Carpenter... lots of "canned" patter with the lobotomzied brother
Richard for authenticity. Supporting cast pull out all the stops as
her holiday "special guests," Barbara Streisand, David Cassidy and 
Ethel Merman (who sings "Silent Night" with lots of brass.) Jo-Carol 
nearly steals the show as Barbara Streisand... she's taking a hitatus 
from the Ethel Merman Memorial Choir to take part in this show.

 Added humor from a toreador clad Herb Albert, putting on the 
screws to make sure the holiday special jells in time for Fall promos 
with the album. In a "flashback", catch a frumpy Karen trying to get 
in the holiday in spirit, in a "Mary" outfit, playing "Little Drummer
Boy" on her own Karen Carpenter drums!

Produced on a shoestring, the tacky set for the Carpenter rumpus room, 
(replete with 70's memorabilia, like the famous Mark Spitz "medal" 
poster) fits like a glove with the cocktail lounge turned theatre on 
Valencia.
 
Cost = sliding scall $7-10
 
remaining dates: Dec 16, 17, 20, 21, 22, 23, 26 & 27
8:30pm, Sundays at 3pm and 7pm. Show runs about 90 min with no 
intermission.
 
In the Marsh Theatre's 2nd space, 1062 Valencia, between 22nd and Hill,
next to the Kentucky Fried Chicken. 
 
p.s. special duet between Karen and "Alvin" the chipmunk is worth the
price of admission.

-- 
Max Hoffmann

The views expressed herein are strictly my own, and are 
not necessarily those of my employer.

Newsgroups: ba.announce
From: fenton@esd.wj.com (Jim Fenton)
Subject: Schola Cantorum "Welcome Yule!" Dec. 18-19 at Mountain View CPA
Organization: At Home; San Jose, CA USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:57:38 GMT

  SCHOLA CANTORUM WELCOMES CHRISTMAS WITH "WELCOME YULE!"

The sounds of Christmas evoke the holiday spirit in a way
unlike anything else.  This year, join Schola Cantorum in
welcoming Christmas as we present "Welcome Yule!", a concert
of Christmas music for chorus and brass.

"Welcome Yule!" will feature the Christmas Cantata of
contemporary composer Daniel Pinkham.  Pinkham, born in
1923, studied with teachers such as Walter Piston, Nadia
Boulanger, and Aaron Copland.  After teaching at Simmons,
Boston University, and Harvard, Pinkham ended up in the
composition department at New England Conservatory, for
which chorus he wrote the Christmas Cantata in 1958.
Pinkham is currently the music director at King's Chapel in
Boston.

At only 34 years old, the Christmas Cantata has already
become a Christmas tradition and is a favorite of audiences
and choruses alike.  The cantata is a setting of three Latin
texts:  Quem vidistis pastores? (Shepherds, whom have you
seen?); O magnum mysterium (O great mystery); and Gloria in
excelsis Deo (Glory to God in the highest).  It is scored
for either chorus and double brass choir, or chorus, brass
quartet and organ; Schola Cantorum will present this concert
with double brass choir.

"Welcome Yule!" will also include the Francis Poulenc Hodie
Christus natus est; Franz Biebl Ave Maria, made popular by
the choral group Chanticleer; Mykola Leontovych Carol of the
Bells; Hugo Distler Lo, How a Rose E'er Blooming; Giovanni
Gabrieli O Magnum Mysterium; Andreas Hammerschmidt Alleluja!
Freuet euch, ihr Christen alle; and a singularly amusing
rendition of The Twelve Days of Christmas.

Finally, what Christmas concert would be complete without
everybody's seasonal favorites?  "Welcome Yule!" audiences
will be invited to join the chorus and brasses for a joyous
holiday carol sing-along.

"Welcome Yule!" will be presented at the Mountain View
Center for the Performing Arts on Friday 18 December and
Saturday 19 December at 8:00 p.m.  Tickets are $14 for
adults, $12 for students and seniors, and $6 for children
under twelve.  Tickets can be purchased at the Mountain View
Center for the Performing Arts box office (415/903-6000) at
the corner of Castro and Mercy.  For group sales, contact
Schola Cantorum at (415) 324-0922.

-----
Jim Fenton      <fenton@wj.com>
Watkins-Johnson Company, San Jose, CA   408 435-1400

Newsgroups: ba.sports
From: jlkarsn@pbhyf.PacBell.COM (John Karsner)
Subject: 49er Tickets 4 Sale!
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:46:11 GMT

I have just Two tickets remaining to the Dec 19th (Tomorrow) 49er's home
game against the Tamp Bay Bucanneer's,  Game time 1:00pm.

The sun will be shining and Montana will be suited up for this home stand.

The tickets will be sold at face value on a first come first served basis.



John Karsner
(510)823-3108
From: cummins@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mike Cummins)
Newsgroups: ba.sports
Subject: 2 Sharks Tix 19th Dec.
Date: 19 Dec 1992 00:02:11 GMT
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gsb-sucre.stanford.edu

Sat. 19th 7:30pm, 2 seats, vs Vancouver Canucks.

NOT on TV (added bonus of no TV timeouts).

$14/ticket.
In my opinion, best seats for the money (sect 131 row B seats 11-12).

Please call Steve at work:  408 943-2634 or
                     home:  415 494-6206.
From: nenik@bbferrari.EBay.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: ba.sports
Subject: Wanted: Warrior tickets - Jan 2
Date: 18 Dec 1992 22:19:21 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: nenik@bbferrari.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbferrari.ebay.sun.com


Wanted: 5 tickets for the Jan 2nd game.....


Neni
(408)276-3051


Newsgroups: ba.sports
From: nathan@netcom.com (Nathan Alan Whelchel)
Subject: SHARKS TIX 4 SALE
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:55:03 GMT



Seat Location:  Section 1, Goalie view, Row D, Seats 5-8
Ticket Price:   $26.00 each  (face value $22.00) 

Discounted parking is available for most games at $4.00.  This
saves you a buck, it's $5.00 normally.

This year there are less than 1000 tickets available for each home game,
and all the Sharks home games sold out last year... don't wait :)
Oh yeah, bring a baseball mitt, the seats are in prime puck catching
territory!  And smile alot, these seats seem to make it on TV quite a
bit :-)

Ticket sales are handled easiest through the mail, but other
arrangements can be made:
 
    272 El Bosque Drive
    San Jose, CA  95134
    (408) 433-3332


Schedule of Available Sharks Tickets   (revised 12-11)

P = parking available

Date            Day     Opposing Team                   Tickets Avail
------------    ---     ------------------------------  -------------
Dec 16th, 92    Wed    Tampa Bay                        2  P
Feb 18th, 93    Thu    Winnipeg                         4  P
Feb 25th, 93    Thu    Toronto                          4  P
Mar 2nd,  93    Tue    Ottawa                           4  P
Mar 7th,  93    Sun    Edmonton                         4  P
Mar 16th, 93    Tue    NY Islanders                     4  P
Apr 1st,  93    Thu    Winnipeg                         4  P
Apr 4th,  93    Sun    Calgary                          4  P
Apr 6th,  93    Tue    Edmonton                         4  P
Newsgroups: ba.sports,rec.sport.football,ba.wanted,misc.forsale.wanted,misc.wanted,ba.market.misc
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: 12/28 SF 49ers vs. Detroit Lions
Followup-To: email
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:48:28 GMT

One last desparate appeal...

Can someone please please please sell me a pair of tickets to the 12/28
Niners game?  My girlfriend is coming out from New Jersey, and she
won't go to the Sharks games with me if I can't get tickets to this
one.  (And who knows what else she won't do!)

As you can see, this is Way Too Serious to trust to the vagaries of
parking-lot hawkers, as some people have suggested I do.  I'll call the
scalpers who advertise in the Chronicle if I have to, but I'm hoping
someone in net.land can save me from that.

Please reply to gak@wrs.com, or call me on 510-814-2166 if you can help
me out!

thx
gak

---
Richard Stueven       AHA# 22584 |----------| Monday is a work day
Internet:            gak@wrs.com |----GO----| Tuesday's much the same
ATTMAIL: ...!attmail!gakhaus!gak |---SHARX--| Wednesday comes and goes away
Cow Palace:            107/H/3-4 |----------| Thursday's back again

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      Distribution to "ba" like I asked it to do.

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