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From: darkstar@pecan.cns.udel.edu (The Janitor Of Anarchy)
Subject: Re: Vader's Tie Fighter
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Summary: Well...
Keywords: the reflex is a lonly child...
Organization: The Green Circle Of Vengence
Distribution: galaxy far, far away...
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:39:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.124126.3937@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
>In article <Oct.26.10.50.41.1992.13185@andromeda.rutgers.edu>, dshaffer@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Donald A Shaffer) writes:
>> 
>>   ABout incorporating the bent wing designs into the TIE fighters-they did.
>> didn't you notice the TIE interceptors in ROTJ.  They had the bent wing
>> arrangement.  They were designed to be faster and more manuverable than the 
>> fighter and incorporated the bent wings from Vaders' fighter.
>
>	What I meant about incorporating it was as follows:
>If the bent wing design was superior to the normal wing design, especially in
>regards to the maneuverability of the ship, why didn't ALL Tie fighter get
>modified with these advances?  It doesn't make sense to have a valid, and
>proven breakthrough, and only use them on half your ships.


Well, whenever some type of design improvement comes along this major,
all you can do is make new and better ones.  But does that mean you 
don't use the old ones anymore?  Of course not!!!  The simple fact is
that in the real world of Star Wars, you couldn't just change the wings
(they don't pop off like they did on the toys).  A good analogy is to
look at it like this.  You're driving your car, and then one day they
come up with a better body design for your car--so now how the hell are
you gonna replace the entire chasis?


	--Jerry



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From: husty@cathedral.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Steve Husty)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Lucas vs Zahn
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:42:32 GMT

In article <92315.230657DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>, DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> In article <1992Nov10.093818.2652@bvc.edu>, meierdalepau@bvc.edu says:
> > they should have looked differently. I'm probably just misremembering, but did anybody else
>  have the same feeling???
> 

	I looked at the Heir to the Empire Sourcebook and saw the Noghri.
	I felt that they looked nothing like the image the book conjured 
	up in my head.  I felt they should have looked more like a Kzin or
	Yazerian (Star Frontiers, TSR).

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From: Simon.N.Smith@cm.cf.ac.uk (Simon N Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: new dark horse SW series!
Date: 5 Nov 92 11:44:36 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, WALES, UK.

Dark Horse are already producing a new SW series to be called "Tales of
the Jedi".  The story is about some Jedi tackling a Hutt in the time before 
Vader and the Emporer decided to have a Jedi purge.  It wont be out for over
a year though :-(  I know this is a fact because I know of the artist
who is drawing the thing as I write!  His name is David Roach from the UK,
and he's done previous work on 2000AD, and has also been heavily involved
in a yet to be released Dark Horse Aliens series.  I think it's only a
limited series in the way Dark Empire has been, but I don't know that for sure.
I also don't know if there is a series coming out between Dark Empire
and Tales of the Jedi.  Personally, I think they should change the title
a bit - Tales of the Jedi sounds too similar to Return of the Jedi for
my liking...

Anyway, when I found this out it brightened my day - I hope it
brightens yours too.

Cheers,

Sy

Oh, LucasFilm have already seen the story and it's all approved, so things
must be quite advanced in the production stage.

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: holthous@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (michael andrew holthouse)
Subject: Star Wars Comic Books for sale!
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:34:56 GMT

Hello, all!

	I have some old comic books to get rid of:
	
	Star Wars:
		Issues:  21 through 80
			 -33 and 34 are missing
			 -23 has ripped cover
			 -all others in good to excellent condition
			 -includes issues 39-44 (Empire Strikes Back
				adaption)
			 -want to sell the whole lot, but will separate
		    
	Captain America:
		Issues:  268-279
			 -all in excellent condition

	Misc:
		"The Mighty Isis"  issue 2
		(don't ask me... I found it at home...)
		"Casper's Ghost Land"  issue 96
		(again... just one that I found...)



	All prices negotiable... will take best offer!
	Please respond on or before November 19, 1992
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (via E-mail - not to this group!!!)
	I will mail all who respond on Nov. 20 or 21.

	Thanx.-- 


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From: mcrg6497@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Rendina)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: couple more noticed things
Summary: few jedi goofs?
Keywords: jedi subtltie
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:01:04 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Fellow SW worshipers:

Since I'm too poor to afford cable this semester but still had Jedi on tape,
(if you consider NBC's hacked summer showing cannon) I've watched it quite a
bit this semester.

I noticed a few other things in it:
 - When Leia gets shot, and Han pushes her back into the wall, he feels her up.
   I mean he grabs her chest and squeezes.  It's only a few frames, but it's
   there (actually, my brother noticed this one...)

 - It seems obvious to me now, but I haven't heard anyone ever say they heard
   it before:  After the Emperor says "Now Young Skywalker, you will die",
   about 2 seconds before Vader picks up and heaves the Emperor, luke screams
   a mumbled "father" a second time.

(Apologies if these has been noticed before, but a full courseload, two 
jobs, three girlfriends and a thesis have kept me from reading this group l8ly)

When I saw the real one on HBO, I counted about another 10 scenes (*other than
the ones we counted this summer*) that were not in NBC version.  Sheesh.


Just a little joke I wrote to my 'brother'... like I said, we've been
living thru the movies lately.  Should be self-explanitory!

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You cannot hide them forever, Pat.

Give your women to the Mark side.
It is the only way you can save your life.
Yes....  Your paranoia betrays you.  
Your feelings for them are strong....
especially for... Misty..... 
so, you have a TWIN LUST.
Your big mouth has now betrayed her too.
You and Jodie were wise to hide her from me... 
Now your failure is complete...

If Michelle will not turn to the Mark side, then perhaps Misty will!

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From: dpearson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Pearson)
Subject: Re: Thrawn force sensitive? Delta Source?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:59:04 GMT

lccs1011@blurt.oswego.edu writes:

>I have a comment I'd like to make. It concerns Thrawn. Doesn't it seem a bit
>odd that he is able to figure out so many things with so little evidence? Like,
>for example, where Karrde is hiding at the beginning of DFR. I have a feeling
>that we are going to be introduced to a new power of Thrawn's in TLC: Control
>of or at least sensitivity to The Force. I see it being introduced in a
>confrontation with C'boath. 

I hate to fault you on this one, but Thrawn is constantly surrounded by a force
bubble thanks to his Ysalmar(I forget the spelling at the moment, but you know
what I mean)  Therefore, he couldn't possibly be relying on the force for his 
information.  I think instinct and experience are what guides his actions.

>Also, a comment on the identity of Delta Source.
>There is only one person it can be, and for one specific reason. It HAS to be
>Winter for the sole reason that she is the ONLY one that Luke told that he was
>going to Jomark to see C'boath. He didn't even tell Leia, Han, Lando,
>Chewy,...etc. Then suddenly Thrawn knows. What a shame, too...I'd think it'd be
>a bit less obvious. 

>Wisdom from Yoda....

no comment on the identity of delta source.  There have been many good arguments
for the different candidates.  I, however, and leaning towards the plants in the
capital.


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From: glazer@cs.cornell.edu (Scott Glazer)
Subject: Re: X-Wing simulator
Keywords: x-wing simulator
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:05:59 GMT

In article <10939@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> ralf@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>
>G'Day,
>  Someone recently posted reasons for the new trilogy coming out next
>year (don't I wish), and mentioned a X-Wing simulator that was being
>writen by Lucas Games (or some such company). 
>
>Does anyone have any further information on this, i.e. when we can
>expect to see it, for what machines (Atari, Amiga and IBM, and what
>else?), who is producing it, what it's going to be like, etc etc.
>Oh, and can someone e-mail me a copy when it`s out ;-) (only kidding 
>Mr Internet-Security-Man)
>
>Thanks,
>  Ralf
>
It's going to be for the IBM, at least at first.  LucasArts software
(or whatever their exact name) is making it, so it should be pretty good.
It's supposed to be one heck of a lot like Wing Commander.

More information -- You don't play Luke or anything; you're just some
rebel guy, who occassionally hears things about Luke and the gang.
You can pilot X-wings, Y-wings, and one other type I don't recall.  It
should be out fairly soon, I'd guess.

More information can be found in last month's Computer Gaming World, where
they had a preview.

--Scott G



Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:34:55 EST
From: Jim <JXD132@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: THX-1138 references (was: R2D2 in Raiders)
 <1992Nov9.211527.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> <1dnu9sINNn7u@aludra.usc.edu>

What's the significance of THX-1138?
(is this a really stupid question?)
Xref: sparky rec.arts.sf.starwars:7940 rec.arts.sf.tv:4696 rec.arts.sf.movies:8507
From: B.J.Williams@newcastle.ac.uk (Barry Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: STAR WARS vs GALACTICA vs STAR TREK
Date: 6 Nov 92 10:59:26 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

redrum@carson.u.washington.edu (Joe Stremick) writes:


>	Then, there are some of us who like both Star Wars and
>Star Trek.  (imagine that!)  I liked Battlestar Galactica as a
>kid, and I still see some merit in it, but overall I find it
>an extremely pale copy of Star Wars, an attempt to ride on the
>SF craze which followed that most excellent of films.

I may have missed something, but didn't Battlestar Galactica come out first?

Barry.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: CHAJONH@YaleVM.ycc.Yale.edu (J Chapman)
Subject: Star Wars Drinking Game
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Organization: Public Macs, Academic Computing, Yale University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:46:45 GMT

Can somebody post (or E-Mail me) a copy of the star wars drinking game?
This is the one in which you pick some action, phrase, or whatever, and
must drink every time it appears as you watch all three movies.
I have lost my list of items, and need another copy. Some things that I
remember being on the list:

Darth Vader Breathes
Rebel laser fired
Empire laser fired
Lightsaber on and off
Obi-Wan seen, mentioned, or heard
The force mentioned or used
Explosions
Sexual tension
Star wars theme heard        (social)
R2D2 Beeps
C3PO tries to escape adventure
X-Wing seen
Tie Fighter seen
Somebody Dies


Can anybody add to the list?


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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: New Movie Trilogy?
Date: 13 Nov 1992 11:50:51 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

law30056@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN KEN HWEE) writes:


>Don't think Wedge can be in last trilogy.  Think its in the FAQ that
>only C3P0 and R2D2 will be in all parts of the three trilogies.

Who said Wedge was in the first triology?

keith

Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (Dark Lord of the Sith)
Subject: Re: Staw wars and Galactica
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:26:57 GMT

In article <M6==lT=@engin.umich.edu>, yyrkoon@morris.engin.umich.edu (Jeffrey Jon Kabbe ) writes:
> 
> For all those who have been posting on this subject, here's a bit of trivia 
> that many of you may have noticed already:
> 
> Johnny Williams wrote the theme to Battle Star Galactica. Yes, the one and the
> same who wrote the Star Wars music.
> 
> Jeff = yyrkoon
-- 

And I am the Easter bunny. Here are the facts... the theme was composed
by Stu Phillips and Glen Larson. Galactica shared some of the same talent
with Star Wars - Dykstra FX guy and Ralph McQuarrie. Music was not one 
of them. 

And this is for the dummy who wrote in claiming Battlestar came first.
According to Universal, BG had been planned 2 years in advance. This is
a dubious claim, but we will give them some leeway. Star Wars was also
in planning for a while before it appeared as a movie. Whether BG was
original or a planned copy of Star Wars is anyuone's guess. But some
facts are so plain that they do not even need mentioning. 

Star Wars hit the cinemas in 1977 (who could forget that) and BG hit
non-US cinemas in July 1978 (where I live, in London Ontario, it was
July 7). It appeared on ABC and Canada's CTV network in the fall of
1978, and due to very expensive costs and ok ratings, the series died
in late spring 1979. (I will not discuss the sequel).......

And enough of the stupid questions. Even non-fans of BG know the answers
to some of these.

Ciao!  

John P. LaRocque
J.LaRocque@uwo.ca

"Farm chores sure could be dull, and Luke Skywalker was bored beyond belief. He
yearned for adventures out among the stars - adventures that would take him
beyond the furthest galaxies to distant and alien worlds.

"But Luke got more than he bargained for..."
                            from Star Wars the paperback (1976, first edition)
From: hofle@cs.utexas.edu (Andrew Christopher Hofle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: A new Thread
Date: 14 Nov 1992 00:59:39 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: muleshoe.cs.utexas.edu


>
>	Vader: "I am your father."
>
>	Luke: "NOT!"
>
>	Or, if Luke was played by Arnold Shwartzenegger:
>
>	Yoda: "Training your, finish , must you."  (I know, a little to
>Yodaish, but hey, this is a comedy thread.)
>
>	Luke: "I'll be back!"  :)
>
>	Well, being the uncreative psycho that I am, this is all I can come up
>with right now.
Since we're on SNL characters, here's Vader talking to Dieter from Sprockets...

Vader:	Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The
	ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to--

Dieter:	Your story grows tiresome.  Now comes zee time in Starvars ven ve 
	dance!!!

And here's Vader to Luke (played by the church lady)

Vader:  I am your father!
 
Ch lady:  Well isn't that SPECIAL!!!!  Now let's see.  Who could have converted
        good old Anakin to the dark side.  Hhmmmmm. Who could it be???  Could
        it beeee........SATAN?!?!?!!!
 
Finally, here's the Emperor (played by Hans (or Franz!)) to Luke:
 
Luke:   You failed your highness.  I'll never turn to the dark side.
 
Emp::   Your girly Jedi skills are no match for the power of my pectorals!
        Here is something Yoda never taught you! Feast your eyes, flabby Jedi-
	man...   (does his stupid flex)

Luke:   Your overconfidence is your weakness.
 
Emp.:   Hear me now and believe me yesterday or some other time, I could very
        easily grab you by your lightsaber belt and wind it so tight, that
        when I let go, your little girly buttocks muscles vill go flying across
	zee room like a balloon!

Well I think that's enough for now.

Andy--
From: s925609@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (KSC - Firefox)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: X-Wing simulator
Date: 9 Nov 1992 01:50:45 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:

>>>>>> On 6 Nov 92 16:19:09 GMT, ralf@cs.uq.oz.au (Ralf Muhlberger) said:


>ralf> G'Day, Someone recently posted reasons for the new trilogy
>ralf> coming out next year (don't I wish), and mentioned a X-Wing
>ralf> simulator that was being writen by Lucas Games (or some such
>ralf> company).

>ralf> Does anyone have any further information on this, i.e. when we
>ralf> can expect to see it, for what machines (Atari, Amiga and IBM,
>ralf> and what else?), who is producing it, what it's going to be
>ralf> like, etc etc.  Oh, and can someone e-mail me a copy when it`s
>ralf> out ;-) (only kidding Mr Internet-Security-Man)

>I know it will be out in time for X-mas for IBM's. LucasGames (did I
>get the name right) is making it. It will be a true simulator flight
>game in the X-wing cockpit.

It's actually LucasArts Games.   It's got X-Wing, Y-Wing and A-Wing
You work your way up to X-Wings, and have droids in Y and X wings
to help you .... the first part is arcade I think, to get you to
become profficient at it or something.  Really cool graphics it
seems, and it was set out to beat Wing Commander is graphics and
sound, will be a great competition between Origin and LAG.

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From: mbecke69@ursa.calvin.edu (Mark Becker)
Subject: Re: OMmark hamill's accident
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:34:58 GMT

ch134@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michelle Guydosh) writes:
 was flipping through the TV guide a few months ago and saw that someone asked
>for more info on mark hamill. One of the things said was that he had a accident
>that altered his apperance.  Can anyone give more details on this.

>michelle

I don't know tons about it, but he got in a near-fatal car accident between
ANH and ESB, and had to have major reconstructive surgury on his face.  They
say that if you look closely at his face in ANH and the others, you can notice
the difference, but I've never caught it.  I just figured he was growing up.:)

If anyone knows more/different info about this, please add to/correct this!
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From: 907fanjoy@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: The Emperor/Actor
Date: 8 Nov 92 14:31:02 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1dhk67INNskc@aludra.usc.edu>, joshuali@usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
> The guy who played the Emperor is Ian McDirmid.
> 
> 
> 
> This is the same guy that plays the priest in DRAGONSLAYER and gets
> torched by the KING of all dragons...  VERMITHRAX.
> 
 
	This guy was also in an episode of Star Trek TNG.  He played some
Federation doctor on the Enterprise.  It was hilarious, because he had 
the same facial movements as the Emperor when he was mad, and he spouted
all kinds of Emperor phrases, like (to Wesley): "... young ffffriend..."
and "So be itttt...."

	I can't remember the name of the episode, but it's an older one.

		--Dave "Y-Wings and Boba Fett are Cool" Fanjoy

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:29:52 EST
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: The Star Wars Echo? Has anyone seen this?

In the back of the latest and last Dark Empires issue, there is mention of
      a BBS group called The Star Wars Echo, which appears on the Fidonet
      BBS.  Does anyone know if there is a way to get access to it by some
      sort of FTP, or Telnet?  The letters column gives a phone number, but
      the 510 area code puts me off a bit.
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