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From: dmp@engr.latech.edu (Delaine Pylant)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Do you have a dream?
Keywords: dream
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:20:16 GMT
Organization: Louisiana Tech University

At first glance, you may assume that in referring to dreams, this may not be 
the correct posting area - then again, let me stress that this is where many 
successful stories begin - with a dream.  

Do you have a dream?

Can you tell me what it is?

Have you figured out what it takes to get there, but can't seem to make 
any headway toward it?  

I can help you achieve your dreams, honestly, legitimately, and at whatever 
pace you care to travel at.  

There is no job security today.  Not even the guarantee that you'll get the
gold watch and plaque.  Don't become a statistic - fight back -

Mail me, I won't let you down.
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From: 0695cs14@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Silicon Vulture)
Subject: Re: Theory on dreaming
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41A   
Organization: University of Houston-Downtown
X-Lunar-Date: 6 days, 10 hours, 3 minutes since the first quarter of the moon
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:37:00 GMT

In article <1des49INNfbe@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, fusion@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
(The Rocket Scientist) writes...

>It seems to me that the most bizarre dreams occur during the DEEPEST
>sleep, i.e. the dreams that seem to have no link to the real world.

Dreams always occur in REM sleep which is not deep at all.  I've heard
that some nightmares occur in stage four sleep (the deepest), but I've
never heard of any other kind of sleep occuring below stage one.

>But in the late morning, when you are not quite as deep into sleep,
>such as snoozing after turning your alarm off, you seem to have more
>real life dreams, probably influenced by actual happenings around you,
>(sounds you hear, and the like).  But in a DEEP sleep, the dreams are
>ENTIRELY influenced by the subconscious mind alone, rather than a
>mixture of the two when you're somewhat 'awake'.  Any opinions?

From what I understand, what happens is the exact opposite.  People
generally have four or more dreams a night.  The first few dreams
tend to be pretty bland.  Very little color, nothing exciting happens,
nobody interresting to talk to.  The dreams that happen later are the
ones that tend to have more plot, more detail, more color, etc.

Unfortunately, I don't recall who did this study.

  |  Silicon Vulture         |  My opinions were implanted by the  |
  |  0695cs14@dt3.dt.uh.edu  |  orbital mind control satellites.   |
From: BL.DKS@forsythe.stanford.edu (WhiteFeather)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: A Question to lucid dreamers
Date: 5 Nov 1992 22:07:46 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <92310.184920SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu>,
SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu (Senthil Ramas Kumar) writes:
>I would really like to thank all of u who responded to my question.  One
>common feature I find in all of u're responses are that they all seem very
>reluctant to admit that they are indeed in a dream.  It is not just
>reluctance, but also a sence of resignation on thier part.  I find thier
>reaction very interesting and amusing, and can anyone extrapolate on this
>and say (just a guess will do) why this is so.  I noted that micheal
>concluded that the entire dream sequence is the creation of only one
>dream-ego (the dreamer's), if this is so, why are the other dream characters
>acting in this strange fashion.  I feel that if indeed that if the other
>dream person was my own creation, the other person would have responded
>positively, something like " wow, I am only in u're dream, amazing isint it
>? " maybe I got this point wrong.  micheal, can u further elaborate on u're
>hypothesis ?
>once again, thankx for those thought provoking answers. brilliant :)
>Kumar
                   -- Characters in Dreams ---
My own experience in lucid dreams with "reluctant" or "resigned"
characters has been similar. My experience, in talking with them is:

I find that they are reluctant to speak because they are a part of
"us" that we have created ... that our dream-ego and "ego-here" is
not aware of. Therefore we only see the "behavior picture" or
"image", and cannot expect them to behave 'normally'.

With characters -- I found it helpful to ask them "how they feel"
and why they are "There". In coaxing, I have found it is easier for
them (US) to speak of feelings -- and reasons, rather than expecting
them to act and hold conversation as if they are "the guy next door"
(unless it is)  They are just a fragment of ourselves that we do not
recognize in waking life ... calling for attention in our "own
created movie".  Some characters are positive & great (also quiet)
and some are, well... rather crummy. The crummy ones are usually
hiding a fear or issue --- behind their facade. Gives good insight
either way ...  Dreamwork, also, provides the same insight.

... Just a different approach/theory that has proven useful to me.

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From: 891666t@dragon.acadiau.ca (Trish Turliuk)
Subject: Full Moon plus four others
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:22:16 GMT

I am eager to receive some comments on this:

Last Thursday morning I had an extremely lucid dream. One 'scene' (they
all rolled into one-no distinct breaks) I had climbed/hiked through an
area that I can only compare to a cross between a ski trail and a ropes
course. The land had been deformed in ways that I have never seen (first
hand nor in a geology text book). For example, there was an area were I
was climbing vast stairs made out of the land itself as wide as a street
or ski trail.

I was sitting on a tiny peak (large enough for two-three people with a
steep face and something akin to a oil drum (only smaller) had been placed
at the edge to guard against falls. I remember looking up to the sky and
seeing 4.5 moons. I say .5 because it kept glimmering in and out of sight.
None of the moons were less than half full- all were greater. I was in awe and
realized that I wasn't on Earth anymore (or Earth had changed for some reason)

Now, the strange thing about this dream is how it relates to reality. I'm
quite aware of the moon's presence and had not seen it for over a week in
our sky because of the clouds. Before I went to bed Wednesday night, I was
walking with a friend and we talked about this and how we missed the moon. 

It gets stranger. The evening after this dream I saw in the sky a
glimmering moon like the .5 one glimmering in the sky. The four nights
after displayed the moons from my dream and on the last night (Monday, the
day I was to receive my period), the moon was full.

Weird? I think so.

Send comments to trish.turliuk@acadiau.ca

Thanks
Trish


Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: sedmanra@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Richard Sedman)
Subject: Dreaming Skills into waking life
Organization: Aston University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:18:48 GMT

A while back I remember a posting from someone (sorry, I can't remember who
it was) about a 'dream interface' they had. What it basically was was a sort
of head-up-display in their field of vision during the dream which gave control
over the dream (instant rewind, pause, quit, etc). I was just wondering if
anyone else has experienced this and how they originally induced this.

Also, has anyone who has experienced this sort of 'control overlay' managed to 
induce it while in waking life (or any other dream visual skill for that
matter) - obviously limitted (although a real life rewind option would be 
pretty useful sometimes  :) ) - possibly skills like photographic memory could
be developed. (Mental word processing perhaps?)

OK, I agree that my ideas may be just a little far fetched (maybe I've been 
reading/watching too much sci-fi). Just wondered whether anyone else had any
opinions (or experience?) on this sort of thing.

-- 
+------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+
|    Richie Sedman, Elec Eng Dept.   |    Email : sedmanra@spock.aston.ac.uk  !
|   Aston Uni., Birmingham, England  |       or : sedmanra@uhura.aston.ac.uk  !
+------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Lucid Dreamers
From: rfritz@zeus.calpoly.edu (Ryan E. Fritz)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:30:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Psychotic Computer Geeks, Inc.

I would be very interested in learning more about lucid dreaming.  I would
like to talk to someone via email who has lucid dreams.  Please mail me if
you wouldn't mind talking about some of your experiences.  Thanks.

-- 
  "Too many puppies are being shot in the dark.  Too many puppies are being
   trained not to bark.  At the sight of blood that must be spilled so that
   we may maintain our oil fields."  -- PRIMUS         Ryan E. Fritz
                                                rfritz@poseidon.calpoly.edu
From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: OOBEs
Date: 10 Nov 92 09:39:22 GMT

In <1992Nov5.151145.15705@nrtpa038.bnr.ca> Tarzan writes:

> In article <1992Oct31.185353.12812@cs.uwp.edu> itzenhui@cs.uwp.edu
>	(Steve Itzenhuiser) writes:

> >I have experienced what some term Out Of Body Experiences (OOBEs)..

> Post to alt. Out of Body

I would like to amend this suggestion a bit to suggest that people wanting
to discuss out-of-body experiences *cross-post* their articles to the new
"alt.out-of-body" newsgroup.  You have only to edit the "Newsgroups:" line
of the header of your article so that it contains not only the name of the
"alt.dreams" newsgroup, but also some other(s), in this case "alt.out-of-body":

		Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.out-of-body

Doing so will cause your article to simultaneously be posted to *both* news-
groups, so that whichever of the two newsgroups some reader visits first,
your article will be presented in that newsgroup.  Only one copy of your
article will be transmitted through Usenet, and only one copy will be stored
on each system receiving it - and the news software will keep track of the
fact that the article should be presented to readers of both newsgroups, and
it will make sure that once the article has been read in one of the news-
groups it is removed from the list to be read in any other newsgroups in
which it appears for that particular reader.

Thanks!!

Gary
--
    Gary S. Trujillo                            gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
Somerville, Massachusetts              {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst
From: ssaf+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sreyas Srinivasan)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Dr.Stephen Laberge
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:30:30 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


   Has anyone tried the Lucid Dream induction techniques in Dr.
Laberge's book "Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming."? If so, which
ones? Were you successful? Please post to this board. Thanks.
                            -Sreyas
From: SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu (Senthil Ramas Kumar)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Telepathy in Dreams (The Dreamer)
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:28:56 GMT
 <92316.021325SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu> <92316.124543ASG102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

hi pple, I think I can co-ordinate the setting up of the expt.  if no one
minds, but now, what am I supposed to be doing ??  :)

yes, Dreamer, can u post u're suggestions etc , so we can take off on an
other expt.  ?

and anybody else, suggestions/help are most welcome.

Kumar
ORGANIZATION: LOYOLA MARYMOUNT UNIV - CENTER FOR ACADEMIC COMPUTING
Date: Thursday, 12 Nov 1992 13:51:01 PST
From: <ACADLAB2@LMUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: test


testing....testing


Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: McElwaine's postings (was Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS, and Dreams)
Reply-To: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:04:00 GMT

Many thanks to Gary Trujillo for bringing to light attempts to muzzle
Robert McElwaine.  McElwaine's beliefs couldn't be farther from my own,
but attempts to deprive him of his rights by revoking his "privleges"
are unacceptable.  

I wonder if McElwaine would be experiencing the same difficulties if
the content of his messages were in praise of the Reublican Party or 
the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals?

I suggest we all send Robert McElwaine a message of support at
mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu, and a message of protest about his
treatment to Charles Brenner (data systems manager?) at
cbrenner@uwec.edu.

I know it's a cliche, but if we allow them to silence McElwaine, it's
me they'll silence next and you after me.

Erik Timmerman
Film/Video Department
RIT
From: connebr@yang.earlham.edu (Brandon Connerly)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Who do these characters get peeved?
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:48:28 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <gj156879.721081494@cunews>, gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879) writes:
> I have a theory as to why dream characters get annoyed when you tell
> them they are "just" dream, and it has to do with Multiple Personality
> Disorder (MPD for short).  Think of your standard MPDer, (the
> stereotypical one)  many characters fighting over one body.  Now
> consider how in a dream, you are the ego, the main dude in control,
> and the rest of the beings around you are "lesser personalities".
> Needless to say, when you tell them they are JUST dream, they'd get
> pissed off, because they ARE you, or a facet of who you are.
[...]
> A theory.  What do you all think?
>  
>                                                   Nik

Interesting. There is another explanation, though. If, when you dream, you
subconsciously try to explain a lot of random input, other people would be
likely to react in whatever way you normally expect them to. So if you tell
someone in RL that they're part of your dream, they might be surprised,
angry or whatever. So in dreaming, you'd subconsciously make them react 
that way.
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From: phoenix@cwis.unomaha.edu (Shannon Chris Saltzman)
Subject: Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS, and Dreams
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:54:01 GMT

I regret that your article vanished with all due haste on 
talk new age. I meant to respond there. i will write an article soon.
1...Where do you get this??  
    a...Scripture saysNOTHING on this.
    b...Belief in what Jesus stood for refutes it!!!!!!!!!
  
2...This is not a religious group or I would be preaching with
all the selfrighteousness I could muster! 

3...How dare you insult my religion by claiming yours as
fact over my version of Jesus!!!
     a...I try never to step on toes that way
     b...I try merely to present my religion and let them decide not
ram it down their throats!!!!!!!!!
     
It is my belief that the people of this newsgroup want to discuss
dreams(note thats what the group is called) Not religion so stick
to a relgious newsgroup for this crap!

-- 
"Is doggie heavan kitty hell?"
     Stephanie Phoenix(age 6)
={}={}={}={}={}={}={}={}={}={}={}
From: connebr@yang.earlham.edu (Brandon Connerly)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: This type of dream...
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:01:28 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <002369c.42.720983103@ace.acadiau.ca>, 002369c@ace.acadiau.ca (WILLIAM FREDERICK CUSTANCE) writes:
> May I ask a simple question?
> Here goes anyways...Have you ever had a fever dream?
> I mean the type of dream when you have a fever and in the dream you 
> hallucinate and excperience scary stuff. It's almost like your awake, 
> because the surroundings are real, but you ARE dreaming. 
[...]
> Any comments...?

I've had them several times when either my fever is so high or I'm on so
much medication that I get the feeling that I'm dreaming even when I'm
awake. When I do dream, I can't tell the difference between dream and
reality until I think hard about what happened. Quite scary, since at
these times I tend to dream really awful stuff (I've contracted leprosy,
there's no one in the building and I've become paralyzed,etc.
From: fusion@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (The Rocket Scientist)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Theory on dreaming
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:38:01 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

Here's my 2 cents worth on dreams:

It seems to me that the most bizarre dreams occur during the DEEPEST
sleep, i.e. the dreams that seem to have no link to the real world.
But in the late morning, when you are not quite as deep into sleep,
such as snoozing after turning your alarm off, you seem to have more
real life dreams, probably influenced by actual happenings around you,
(sounds you hear, and the like).  But in a DEEP sleep, the dreams are
ENTIRELY influenced by the subconscious mind alone, rather than a
mixture of the two when you're somewhat 'awake'.  Any opinions?

--
**********    fusion@matt.ksu.ksu.edu - The Rocket Scientist
* FUSION *    The people who give up their guns if they're
**********    outlawed are the only people who should have guns.
From: tom@kether.webo.dg.com (Tom Sullivan)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Dr. David Rybec's Dream Research
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:22:16 GMT
Organization: NSDD, Data General Corp.

On the discovery channel, there was an interview with Dr. David Rybec,
who is doing research on psychic dreams (precognition).  Anyone have
any info on this?  If so, please email me (as I only check this group
occasionally).  Also post it if you desire.  Thanks in advance....Tom
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.)
Subject: Re: Telepathy in Dreams (The Dreamer)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:24:17 GMT

In article <92316.021325SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu> Senthil Ramas Kumar <SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>really interesting, can we as a whole group do some more experiments along
>these lines ?
>
>Kumar

Uh-oh, here we go again, Dreamer!  If we do it again, this will be
the fourth, I believe, yes?  :)  

Well, I'm much better at lucid dreaming than I was for the last 3 experiments,
and I've had several shared dreams with people since then, too...

...
Actually, no wait, this would make the 5th dream experiment...
There have been:  The Bouncing Banana Phone Booth, the Dream Express,
The Grand Hall of Dreamers, and Elvis and The Brick Wall...

My, what a creative group we are!!  :)

Angela
From: heard@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: wolves????
Date: 10 Nov 92 10:40:39 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

In article <1992Nov7.043215.1@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au>, 
l_gray@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au writes:

> In the dream I am driving with my mother to a familiar holiday spot when the
> road we are driving along suddenely becomes very narrow with a lot of bush on
> either side and then a wolf appears from the middle of the road and leaps on
> and over the car.  I then look to the side of the ride where i see more 
> wolves around another animal's carcass. Having not had any reference to wolves
> previous to the dream it seems a little strange to have dreamt of them. 
> 
> I feel like I dreamt the others round the carcass as some form of explanation 
> for the presence of the first wolf.
> 

Before I say anything else, I wish to include my usual
disclaimers, that you are the best person to interpret
your own dreams, and also you are the only person who
can say whether other people's interpretations make
sense. 

In the dream a familiar journey is becoming more 
difficult, a wolf appears, then the presence of the 
wolf is explained by more wolves around a dead animal.

I would suggest that a useful way of looking at the
journey is as part of your life's journey -- perhaps
you are growing away from the easy relationships you
had with your family when you were younger, perhaps
some other sort of "journey" with your mother is
becoming more difficult. 

You don't say how you feel about the wolf. It could be 
majestic, beautiful, wild, startling, fearful -- or 
perhaps all of these. 

Does it make sense to you to think of something by the 
roadside as a part of yourself now discarded? Part of 
yourself lost? You can answer these questions better 
than anyone else. The wolf (with whatever overtones) 
seems to have appeared because that part of yourself is 
gone.

Depending on your feelings about the wolf losing that 
part of yourself could be seen in a number of lights.

You might like to act out the roles of the people (and 
wolf) in the dream, as though on a stage, and see what 
they have to say for themselves.

Let me know if this helps. Feedback works two ways.

Take care
Ronno
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
For dreams and reason, against authority and untested beliefs
From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: What does FLAME mean?
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:35:10 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

robg@citr.uq.oz.au (Rob Geraghty) writes:

>crlstu1@bnrca (Julie Beeston) writes:

>>               What does FLAME mean ???

I think that definition sufficiently covers it but I heard something
about how the term originated.

It seems that long ago, in the early days of BBSs, one was not allowed
to use the word that rhymes with duck and begins with an f.  I don't know
if we are still not allowed to say it, so I'm playing it safe.

Anyway, in response to that rule, people would say "Flame you, you
flaming jerk!", and other endearments such as this.  Eventually, any
abusive or juveniley argumentative or antagonisitic post was called a
flame.

-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Occam's Razor, disproving precognition.
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:38:08 GMT

Occam's razor, for those of you who don't know, is the idea that the
most likely reason for something occuring, is the SIMPLEST
explanation.
 
It's a neat little reality checker.  Someone mentioned it earlier,
saying that using occam's razor, you can look at a case of
precognition in a dream and say "Eh, just a coincidence".  It IS the
simplest explanation, yes.
 
But you have to remember when you go about slashing things up with
Occam's double sided gilette, that sometimes reality ain't that
simple.  I'm sure people can think up situations where the most LIKELY
explanation, the most PROBABLE cause is NOT the actual cause.  Life
isn't that cut (pun intended) and dry.
 
Just my thoughts on the matter.  
 
                                                  Nik
                                           Occam shaved my face.
From: l_gray@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: wolves????
Date: 7 Nov 92 04:32:15 +0800
Organization: University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: fennel.cc.uwa.edu.au


Hi

Have just discovered this newsgroup and thought someone may have an answer
to part of a dream that has been puzzling me for a while. 

In the dream I am driving with my mother to a familiar holiday spot when the
road we are driving along suddenely becomes very narrow with a lot of bush on
either side and then a wolf appears from the middle of the road and leaps on
and over the car.  I then look to the side of the ride where i see more 
wolves around another animal's carcass. Having not had any reference to wolves
previous to the dream it seems a little strange to have dreamt of them. 

I feel like I dreamt the others round the carcass as some form of explanation 
for the presence of the first wolf.

Anyway does anyone know if wolves have any meaning in dreams??????


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