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From: "jeffrey mallinson" <jeffrey.mallinson@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: trucks?
Date: 6 Sep 92 02:33:00 EST
Reply-To: "jeffrey mallinson" <jeffrey.mallinson@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

TO: njd@FTP.COM


NJ>  Newsgroup: rec.equestrian
NJ> Message-ID: <NJD.92Sep3100321@babyoil.FTP.COM>
NJ>    Subject: trucks?

NJ>Hi, Everyone!!

NJ>I know this has been discussed before, but I'm afraid I wasn't paying
NJ>much attention then.

NJ>I'm looking for a used truck for towing a two-horse trailer (not yet
NJ>purchased).  I've been told that either the GMC Jimmy or the Jeep
NJ>Cherokee (both with 4-litre V6 engines) can do the job, but I have my
NJ>doubts.  Is a V6 really powerful enough?  Is the shorter wheel base a
NJ>problem?  They certainly are affordable, but...

NJ>My uncle has a full-size Chevy Blazer, all set up for towing his
NJ>*huge* boat.  It's a Florida truck, in mint condition, and he's
NJ>willing to sell it to me for a reasonable price.  Does anyone have any
NJ>good/bad experiences towing with a Blazer?

NJ>The only other affordable (for me) truck I've seen was a Suburban
NJ>Diesel with 175,000 miles on it.  It looked and ran great, but that
NJ>mileage is just too scarey.

NJ>Are there any trucks that anyone would like to recommend?  I'm not in
NJ>a big hurry, but I'd *like* to take advantage of the nice fall
NJ>weather.  I'm hoping to find a complete package - truck and trailer.

Hi Nancy,

    We have a 1990 GMC 3/4 ton, 4X4, extended cab, short box, pickup with a
  6.2 liter diesel engine, with a automatic overdirve transmission. It's
  driven 5 days a week to the riding stable. We haul a 1984 King 2 horse
  trailer ( it's quite heavy), and we have about 130,000km (80,800
  miles) on it. We have kept the maintance intervils up as they were
  specified in the book. We have had no problems with the truck and get
  28 MPG empty and 22 pulling two horses.
    If the Suburban appears to be in good shape, don't let the milage on
  the engine worry you, their built to go a long time and distance. I
  also have Nissan Sentra Diesel with 275,000 km (170,000) miles and no
  problems with it.
    Also consider the room in the suburban, at our sable one of the
  vehicles is a GMC Jimmy and it's very crowded, as the trailer doesn't
  have any tack space.
  Hope this helps, and don't be in a hurry.

    You could also go to horse shows and ask the drivers what they think
  about their 'rigs'. And what would they do differently, when it's time
  to get newer trucks/trailers.

Take care.

TTYL


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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Subject: Re: A Basic GlossarySCUP
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:32:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.234102.1@scivax.stsci.edu>,
rewald@scivax.stsci.edu writes:
>Since you all are talking about a **very** specific aspect of one area from
>the original post, could I ask you to change the "BASIC GLOSSARY" subject
>header to something more appropriate?  ( I kinda wanted to read about some
>of the other topics asked about! :-) )
>Thanks
>Rosalie
>

You know what, not only to I rarely even LOOK at the header, but I
have no idea in the world as to how to change it. If you could tell
me how, I'd be happy to.

Anyone?

=gwyn "computer ignoramus maximus" gordon
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: karlm@sequent.com (Karl Maerz)
Subject: Re: More on Trucks...
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 20:39:25 GMT

meganb@sequent.com (Megan Breninger) writes:
>... This truck was and still is
>in immaculate condition...right, Karl at Sequent!?!?!  He's seen it,
>he can tell you.  

Yep.  It looks good.

(Gets a helluva lot better mileage than mine, too!)

>Hope this helps with your decision.  A diesel is meant to last, with
>good preventative maintainence, for well over 200,000 miles or better!
>
>Megan, Larry, Clyde, Edgar and Hank.

Karl Maerz
karlm@sequent.com

('84 F250 / 460ci -- 213,000 miles and still truckin'!)

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: krf@ab103e.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (K Fortenbery)
Subject: Re: Slippery Saddle
Reply-To: $USER@`uname -n`.b17a.ingr.com
Organization: "Mapping Sciences Division, Intergraph Corp, Huntsville AL"
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:13:53 GMT

In article <6730005@hpspkla.spk.hp.com>, cicarell@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Collen Cicarell) writes:
|> ...REALLY slippery.  ...

Hi Colleen,                               

I use a cream called Lederpflegecreme from Whitman saddles.  It is also from
Germany but not a cleaner.  It cost me $4 for 6-8 ounces (the container is
not marked).  It comes in a yellow plastic container similar to some shoe 
polish containers or even saddle soap.  The description on the container:  
Leather care cream.  Keeps leather durable, waterproof and soft, contains 
genuine beeswax and real leather preservatives.  This cream definately makes 
the seat less slippery.  I use Murphy's soap to clean all of my leather 
stuff (saddle, boots, etc.).

karen
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: eroth@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (elizabeth.s.roth)
Subject: Re: Night Vision
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:05:31 GMT

In article <2320@gandalf.intel.com> linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin) writes:
>
>I was asked a question today which I did not know the answer to and I
>immediately thought of the wisdom of the net.  Is it true that blue-eye
>horses do not see well at night?  I have a girlfriend with a blue-eye
>horse and she was told not to ride at night because the horse would have
>trouble seeing.  Is this true?  or is it an old wive's tale. 
>
>My girlfriend reads this newsgroup but she cannot post to it so please
>post all responses so she will be able to read them.  Thanks. 
>
>***************************************************
>	Linda Harbin       Hillsboro, Oregon 
>	503-696-2261       linda@littlei.intel.com
>***************************************************


I'd be interested to hear about this.  I have a red dun gelding with
two blue-eyes (his mama was Paint) and have never noticed any difference
when riding at night.


Susan

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From: clinard@cs.utk.edu (Michelle Clinard)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Can You Believe...
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:48:46 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennessee, Knoxville


Ok, I wasn't going to gripe to the net about this, but since the
farrier subject came up...

*Terry Young*, a farrier in East Tennessee, is NOT the farrier to use.
You've all heard me brag about my wonderful 2-year-old pinto American
Saddlebred, Cassie.  This filly was only punished twice in her life,
and that was by a sharp word and a slap on the shoulder.  Other than
that, she's always done what I asked.  Terry comes to put on her first
shoes, and even he says she is acting nice for a first-timer.  He comes
out the second time, one morning.  I wasn't there, but a stablehand
(nice kid) was.  I come to the barn that afternoon.  Cassie (who *loves*
the barn) has to be haltered and literally dragged in.  She's very 
spooky.  There are horseshoe skid marks all over the barn hallway.
A buggy whip is lying on a bench, not its usual resting place.
Every move I make, especially with flappy things, causes Cassie
to jump.  I take a closer look, and there are welts across her rump.
I asked the stable hand what happened, he confirmed my suspicions.
He said he didn't know what to do when Terry started whipping her.
I have a new farrier now, and will shoot Terry if I ever see him withing
50 feet of my horses.  The stablehand said Terry's comment was "you've
got to teach them a lesson".  It's a good thing I wasn't around when
he pulled this trick, or I'd be in jail for assault right now.
I was so mad I could have chewed nails in two.  I told the new farrier
exactly why I was looking for a new one, and he said that's not the
first time he's heard this about Terry.  He assured me that this
is not the way he treats horses, and I have several reports from others
(even some with problem horses) that this guy is a gentle as could be.

I'm considering calling Terry and telling him exactly how I feel, but
I don't know if I can control my anger enough to do this.

Thanks for letting me air this nasty business.

-Michelle
-Maggie (who is retired and no longer gets the shoe hassle)
-Cassie ( who shall never again know the whip, if I can help it)

ps.  After 4 weeks, Cassie is finally starting to trust humans again,
but she still shies on occasion.  That b*st*rd.
From: kensm@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Kenneth S Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: trucks?
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:06:35 GMT
Reply-To: kensm@tekig6.pen.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1992Sep15.204812.18381@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Hebe.B.Quinton@dartmouth.edu (Hebe B. Quinton) writes:
>Has anyone towed a two horse trailer with one of those humongoid old
>station wagons?  like a Country Squire?  That was recommended to me as
>a cheaper solution than a truck.
...
>
>Hebe, and too many animals to name.
>&
>David "Saddled with Pets"


I bought a 2 horse trailer about 5 years ago that
came with an attached car :>).

The car was a 71 Chev station wagon that was built like
a tank.  While I would not have given $50 for the car for
general driving, it had 2 major points in its favor.  The
hitch was very good with load distribution ($700-800 to
install), and a 454 cu inch (7.5 liter) engine.

It only job was to pull the horse trailer, and it did
very well including hills.  Only got 11 miles per gallon with
or without 2 horses.  Main limitation was low clearance, since
I do alot of trail riding in the Oregon mountains.

      {picture a twisty gravel road getting steeper, deeper
       ruts, last chance to turn around 3/8 of a mile back,
       and your tires start spinning ... barely made it}

We now use a full size Bronco with a 351-V8 that is great,
but the station wagon was used for a couple of years.  Also
it was ignored at the trail heads by criminal types.

I would look around for the best setup for towing that you can
find, as it will not usually add that much value for the seller,
since most demand is for trucks.  


Ken Smith

Kensm@paso.pen.tek.com
From: hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Can You Believe...
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:05:47 GMT
	<1992Sep9.071923.19457@yang.earlham.edu>
	<1992Sep9.210029.4007@desire.wright.edu>
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: sbishop@desire.wright.edu's message of 10 Sep 92 02:00:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.210029.4007@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:

   My friend Amy (whose horse Beau lives here) got a big giggle out of how 
   I explained to treat the farrier.  I always offer him something cold to
   drink, give him apples off my fruit trees and do major sucking up!  As
   far as I am concerned a truely good farrier has a price above rubies!

   Sue

When I was first getting into horses, a friend of mine offered one
other tip on how to keep a good farrier happy---pay cash!  It's
amazing how much more eager it makes them to answer your emergency
phone calls.

My rule of thumb as to when it is time to change <farriers, vets, or
whatever> is when they don't get along with the horse any more, or
when you can't get them to explain what they are doing (or what you
should be doing).  Having someone you can communicate with is so
important!

Marsha Jo Hannah		Murphy must have been a horseman--
La Honda, CA			anything that can go wrong, will!
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Subject: Re: Can You Believe...
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:26:38 GMT

In article <502Z02dg21J001@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>,
lmn00@cd.amdahl.com (Linda Newell) writes:
>
>In conclusion, if you don't like something the farrier is doing,
>by all means change farriers, but don't expect the farrier to
>know what you want him to do unless you have spent some time
>talking to him or her about how you want your horse treated and
>shod.
>Linda

This whole farrier business is odd. The original post said something
like: "My horse is terrible to shoe.....But I couldn't be there the
second time he came out....I was on the property, so I watched him
with binoculars."

Look, if you're horse is terrible to shoe, you're going to just
leave the farrier to fend for himself? No wonder he thought to
himself, "f*** it, man, I'm just going to make my life a little
safer here and sedate this horse that nearly hurt me (and itself)
last time." Did he know you weren't going to be there? Did he have a
CHANCE to ask you about the drug?

I agree that drugging someone's horse without their permission is
unforgivable, but I believe the original poster elicited this
action by an unforgivable action on her own part. She showed very
little consideration for the farrier by leaving him to shoe a
difficult horse with no assistance.

The whole "rotting post" thing is odd too. Did you not know it was
rotting?  Did you mention it when he went to tie the horse to it?
Was it obvious or did it only become clear when it broke?  Why
weren't you there to hold your horse in the first place?

The whole thing leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth. I would say,
get a new farrier who is a little more patient -- BUT also expect
that you should be there every time. That's accepted practice. If
the owner isn't there, it's kind of a tacit agreement that the
person handling the horse act according to his/her judgement about
what is best for the safety of the horse and all people involved.
Like Dennis said, this applies to vets, shoers, haulers, etc. If you
leave your horse, you give up control. I like to keep control -- so
I stay around.

My 22c----gwyn
From: hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Mud Fever - Is there a cure?
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:16:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: rhg@NCoast.ORG's message of 13 Sep 92 11:14:35 GMT

In article <BuIKKF.HvL@NCoast.ORG> rhg@NCoast.ORG (Rich Garrett) writes:

   ....  For the past two years we have been fighting mud
   fever during the "muddy seasons"

   Yes, we keep the stalls clean and wash and dry the legs when comming in from
   the paddock.  Treatments with various recommended substances don't seem to 
   work (including vets suggestions and antibotic shots).

   With the bandwith of this group, I am asking for suggestions and experiences
   that might be beneficial to make life a bit easier for our horses.

   Richard H. Garrett                                           rhg@ncoast.ORG

What my vet had me use was Desitin ointment---a zinc-oxide based cream
sold in most pharmacies for diaper rash.  If you think about it, that
is what mud fever is---"dishpan hands", or "diaper rash", of the
pasterns, from too much exposure to wetness, plus whatever bacteria,
viruses, fungi, etc happen to be living in the mud.  It isn't going to
go away until the wet conditions end, so you have to plan on treating
it continuously.  After rinsing and drying the legs, apply a coating
of Desitin to each pastern (or however far up the problem goes)---each
and every time they're out.  It's a pain, but it works.

Marsha Jo Hannah		Murphy must have been a horseman--
La Honda, CA			anything that can go wrong, will!
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine)
Subject: Re: Stiff back problems  (was help with stubborn horse)
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:09:50 GMT

In article <14589@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas) writes:
>
>... Someone suggested that he might be "cold-backed", and this is now my
>current theory.  I always thought that term referred only to tension
>when girthing up.  But yesterday, I decided to longe Monty for 15
>min with lots of trot canter transitions, really letting him warm
>up without worrying about carrying me. When I got on, he was an
>absolute angel! ...

Ah!  When I first got my old horse Cappy, the only way I could successfully
warm him up was on the lounge.  My seat wasn't stable enough to
get him to stretch and warm up those back muscles, but once he had
done it on his own, he was much better.  I used side reins to help
encourage the stretch, and now that I have had some experience with
the gouge/chambon I think that (correctly adjusted, not too short)
might have helped as well.

After six months or so, Cappy had gotten stronger and I had gotten
more in tune with him and then I was able to warm him up just as
well mounted as on the lounge!

Good luck, and good going!

      Debbie
!
From: jhelms@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Jill Helms)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Ph.D's and riding
Date: 14 Sep 1992 20:10:12 GMT
Reply-To: jhelms@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Jill Helms)
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Originator: jhelms@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu


I want to add my congratulations to Ruth on finishing her Ph.D and tell Karen
that I couldn't agree more about her comment on how T-Bar kept her sane during
her Ph.D studies. I'm finishing up my Ph.D dissertation, submitting a grant and taking
a faculty position all in the next three months.  The only time I can actually 
STOP thinking about work, grant forms, deadlines and my upcoming research
project is when I get out to the stables, catch a whiff of those "horsey" smells and 
see Bliss' head pop out around the corner of his stall.  Sometimes my hands practically shake I can hardly wait to saddle him up and get going.
I'm sure people sometimes wonder what could possibly be on the mind of that woman
with the glazed eyes and idiot grin who is continually sighing and smiling to 
herself...  Well, maybe some of you out there understand what I'm talking about!


Jill and Bliss (my Valium!)  . .
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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: A Basic GlossarySCUP
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 10 Sep 92 06:32:02 EST
Distribution: usa,na
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Sep9.182656.1@scivax.stsci.edu>, rewald@scivax.stsci.edu writes:
> In article <1992Sep9.173218.19745@morrow.stanford.edu>, GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon) writes:
>> In article <1992Sep8.234102.1@scivax.stsci.edu>,
>> rewald@scivax.stsci.edu writes:
>>>Since you all are talking about a **very** specific aspect of one area from
>>>the original post, could I ask you to change the "BASIC GLOSSARY" subject
>>>header to something more appropriate?  ( I kinda wanted to read about some
>>>of the other topics asked about! :-) )
>>>Thanks
>>>Rosalie
>>>
>> 
>> You know what, not only to I rarely even LOOK at the header, but I
>> have no idea in the world as to how to change it. If you could tell
>> me how, I'd be happy to.
>> 
>> Anyone?
>> 
>> =gwyn "computer ignoramus maximus" gordon
> 
> Aww, don't be so hard on yourself!  I'm posting from a VAX cluster, and I guess
> it's easier done here than on your machine.  When I post a followup from the
> VAX, I get prompted to change the header, if I want.  Maybe someone from 
> the SUNny side could tell us....
> Rosalie "wise-guy" Ewald
> 

Well, your VAX isn't this VAX.  Mine won't let me change ANYTHING.

Sue
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: cbrand@cac.washington.edu (Carol Brand)
Subject: Re: Putting and End to Nipping/Biting
Organization: UW Networks and Distributed Computing
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:25:42 GMT

In article <4923@rosie.NeXT.COM> llyons@next.com (Liza Lyons) writes:
>Hi, Everyone:
>
>however, while standing in cross ties.  He doesn't reach behind to catch me  
>while I'm grooming or tacking - it only seems to happen when I'm standing in  
>front of him trying to brush his face (he nips to the side towards my hands).   
>BTW - he *likes* having his face brushed - will even drop his head down for  
>better access.
>

HUMMM....

I've never done this, but I heard it works well on colts who are nippy. 
Take a large sewing needle and push it into a cork so that the pointy end
sticks out about 1/4 of an inch. 

Hold the cork between your fingers.  When he moves to nip, give him a
little prick.  It seems that this does not promote headshyness because
the horse does not associate the prick with your hand (probably because
there is no big motion).  What do other netters think about this method?

Personally, when a horse bites me, I lay into them like there is no
tomorrow (I mean hard!).  This seems to get the message across fast
enough and I usually don't have to do it more than once.  I don't think
that you should worry about head-shyness.  Biting is a bigger problem,
especially if the next person your horse bites isn't you.

Good luck,

-Carol
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Ueshiba Video Tapes (was Re: Attitudes (wasRe- Silent or...)
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:11:26 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <716232418snx@ietech.demon.co.uk> nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel G. Backhurst") writes:
<re: Video transcriptions of old Ueshiba films>

>Do you know if it is possible to get hold of the video at all?
>Really I would need it in PAL format, but could get it transferred
>from NTSC if that is the only format I can get it in.

You can order them from _Aiki_News_ in Tokyo. They are available in PAL
and NTSC.

You can reach them at:

	Aiki News
	Tamagawa Gakuen 5-11-25-204
	Machida-shi, Tokyo, Japan 194

	Telephone: +81-427-24-8675
	Fax: +81-427-24-9119

They accept Visa, Mastercard, AMEX, checks, money orders, Eurocheques,
and che`ques bancaires.

For US residents, they have an "800" number: (800) 877-2693.

Steve
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: yy@cbnews.cb.att.com (alan.j.lapenn)
Subject: Re: Model Mugging (long)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:33:12 GMT
Summary: not so regular

In article <BuF0qw.3BD@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick) writes:
> Andy V. seems to agree with Bobby Knight's statement that sometimes
> women should just "lay back and enjoy it", rape that is.  While its
> true that women will often be unable to defeat a skilled, trained 
> attacker who is determined to rape them, but not all rapists are like
> this.  Some are just ordinary guys who want to have sex with somebody
                       ^^^^^^^^
                          |____ I strongly object to calling this type of
                                person ordinary, he or she is NOT!


> and decide to force somebody to do it.  Against these guys, a good
> swift kick in the groin or shins may be enough to discourage them
> or to allow the woman to escape.  Likewise, I, as a martial artist

[ lots of stuff deleted ]
-- 
Alan LaPenn      att!mvuxd!yy          .signature not found!
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Subject: FRESNO???????
Reply-To: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:05:19 GMT


andy v says (amongst other things):

	happen to be in a bar in Fresno.  I think this goes even more so for 
	the street mugger who is looking for as easy a take as can be had.

>think you're able and willing to break kneecaps and smash teeth when
>provoked, maybe they won't mess with you.

	Unless you're in Fresno.

>Then again, maybe they'll whack you from behind and take your wallet
>before you wake up.  Never can tell.  

	Not in Fresno.



		so where is fresno and why is it so dangerous?

		-mukund
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