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From: 11dmcvay@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Daniel T. McVay)
Subject: Earl Weaver II tips needed...
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 03:00:17 GMT

I have recently acquired Earl Weaver II and the utility disks. I would like
to know if anyone has set up a set of rules for the GMs to follow. If so,
can I be emailed a copy of it for some ideas?

And does anyone know how I can set player values? I dont want a GM to draft
kevin Mitchell and draft Roger Clemens and still have a buncha money, with
a roster full of all-stars. Any and all tips are and will be appreciated.

And sorry for my flamers earlier on. It was posted thanks to my state of
mind at that time which was not exactly one of my good moods. I have had
a bad week. I apologize to all.



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From: alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: where do i start????
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:46:52 GMT
Reply-To: alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University

seeing as i just learned how to post messages i lost the message of the person
who wanted to know how to start? We just instituted a fantasy league this
season and it has been fun for most of us. Briefly i'll try to explain what we
did, if you want more info give me your postal address. The magazine Fantasy
Baseball has lots of good tips. First you must find as many people as you can
that are insane. We use players from both the AL & NL and have 9 franchises. We
use standard 23 man roster (for this year at least) which includes the
following positions: 1 firstbaseman
                     1 secondbaseman
                     1 shortstop
                     1 thirdbaseman
                     1 secondbaseman or shortstop
                     1 1b or 3b
                     5 outfielders 
                     1 dh (from any position)
                     9 pitchers of which at least four must be starters at all
times through the season.

we held a draft the weekend before the season started and used monopoly money
for player salaries. There was a ten dollar entry fee five of which went into
the pot and five for expenses. There are fees for waiving and trading which
also go into the pot which now is up to around $140.00. First place gets 60%
second 30% and third 10%.

we use nine categories to score HR's, RBI's, AVG, SB's and Errors for batters.
The pitching stats used are: ERA, Wins, Saves, and RAtio or WHIP. We found a
neat software package SPINSTATS to track our stats and print reports. SPINSTATS
allows to chose from 30 different categories in pitching and hittng. It
retails for around 40-50 bucks. I have the address if anyone is interested. We
garner our weekly stats from USA TODAY on tuesday and wednesday.

This just a quick overview of what we do is you want more specific info let me
know.

By the way in the latest weekly reports yours truly the proud owner of THE
FIGHTING CALICO IGUANAS holds a commading ten point lead over his nearest
competitor 

By the
From: am3f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alex S. Margita)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Where do I Start????
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:32:42 GMT
Organization: Comp & Comm - Computer Operations, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

We have a completly different type of fantasy league.  Ours is based on
the how well the player hits or if the pitchers wins or strikeouts..
We have (2)two divisions, an Easter & a Western division.  Each team
drafts 12 Hitters & 6 Pitchers.  Each week you submit a roster of 10
hitters & 5 pitchers.  Hitters get 1 point for each base ( 1 for a
single, 2 for a double, etc.) & 1 point for each stolen base.  Pitchers
get 1 point for each strikeout & 5 points for a save & 15 points for a
win.
We also have a monthly re-entry draft & trades are allowed.weekly.  We
used to have 1 division but at re-entry time there was never any players
to be picked up.  Now teams in each division can have the same player.
Currently we have 11 teams in each division, a total of 22 teams. 
The fee to have a team is $40.00 per week for 25 weeks. We have weekly
payoff's of $180.00 for first, $90.00 for second & $40.00 for third. 
The rest of the money is broken down for the final.
I don't remember the final payoff's, but it's the first 4 places
combined for both divisions.
We have a comissioner that does everything from doing every player stats
for each team to colecting the money.  For this service he gets paid
$2,000.00 for the year.  It seems like a lot, but doing the stats for
all those players for 7 days a week, running the league, keeping track
of all the trades, re-entry drafts, making copies etc.  It is very time
consuming.  Our old commisioner almost got divorced trying to locate
newspapers & doing stats while on vacation.  We had a very difficult
time getting someone to do this.  I would'nt do it for twice the amount.

There are many ways you can have a baseball league, we found that this
works well for our group of guys.  We also have a couple of football
leagues that are run similar in a couple different local bars.  One cost
$50.00 per week, the more expensive one is $100.00 per week.  Also I
forgot to mention the a lot of the guys have weekly side bets with the
other teams involved.  So if you have a bad team, it could get expensive.

If anyone would like a more detailed set of our rules for the leagues,
let me know.  As you can see by the cost involved, our leagues are not
just for fun, but it takes some serious thinking on who to play for the
week as it could cost you a lot of money.

Al
From: dadler@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (David Adler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Cuyler: put on DL?
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:47:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM


   I heard from someone else in my roto league that Milt Cuyler was
put on the DL. My local paper had nothing on this move - has anyone
else seen this move in the daily agate type?

   Also, I'm way ahead in batting average, so might be able to afford
perennial stiff Gary Pettis' batting average - will he at least steal
some bases? It looks like the next best OF available might be Eric
Fox...Hell, maybe Rob Ducey will get some playing time in
California....

Thanks for any info!
Dave


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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Brew Crew News
Originator: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:04:18 GMT

Just in case anyone wasd wondering, here's some news and views from
Milwaukee. First off, if you have either Ron Robinson or Franklin Stubbs
on your team, my condolences. I'd advise to get rid of them. A six-pack
of Miller would probably be fair value...Cal Eldred will be the fifth
starter for the rest of the year and should do okay. A true sign of this
is that the Brewers have him using Robinson's old locker...If you're worrying
about Pat Listach losing his job when Billy Spiers comes back, DON'T! Either
Spiers will be the backup, or Listach will move to 2b and start there. Don't
be surprised though if his production falls off (a la Paul Molitor his rookie
year) since it's his first crack at a 162-game season...Dan Plesac, Kevin
Seitzer and Scott Fletcher will all be offered contracts for the '93 season
so it looks like they'll all continue to see a good amount of playing time...
RHRP Mike Fetter has cooled off recently, but still has an excellent ERA. I
wouldn't expect him to get man save opportunities though, Doug Henry is
still the man there.

--Salty

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From: savoy@hg.uleth.ca (Jim Savoy)
Subject: Re: Brewers...
Reply-To: savoy@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:35:10 GMT


>> tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan) writes:
>>Tell me, Doc, what's wrong with Nillson? Not his knee again I hope.

> zarda@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Dr. Strangelove) writes:
>I believe its his knee again...

Hmmm. The latest USA Today BWeekly (which is now 2 weeks old if you're
getting it mailed to you in Canada) says that Nilsson went on the DL with
a sprained left (non-throwing) wrist.


 _____________________________________________________________________________
     Jim Savoy          University Of Lethbridge         savoy@hg.uleth.ca

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  Answering Room - in reality a front name for F.E.E.B.L.E. - the Free World
  Extra-Earthly Bodies Location and Extermination Centre... all was not well.
From: zarda@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Dr. Strangelove)
Subject: Re: Brewers...
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:42:28 GMT

In article <BruEDB.9FJ@news.udel.edu> brady@brahms.udel.edu (Joseph Brady) writes:

>Yes, actually. What is the story on Greg Vaughn?
>I have had him on my rotisserie team for two or three years
>now, and I expected him to really break out this year.
>
>How do you think he will do the rest of this year, and what
>are his long term prospects?
>
>Thanks for the help.
>
>Joe 

Vaughn, tough call...

Here are his stats of today...
AB    H    2B   3B   HR    RBI    AVG
286  62    10    2   13    43     .217

Now Vaughn always plays better in the second half of the season.
In fact 3 homers of the 13 have been since the ALL STAR break.
All three homers were in Chicago, where the Brewers usually play
bad. When Vaughn hits its with power, the Brewers have very little 
power, that's another reason why John Jaha(1b) was called up. So 
Vaughn has no need to worry for this year. I expect Bando to try and
trade him in the off season or pick up some one new., this scenario
has 50/50 chance. If Vaughn does better it goes lower to about 25%.
My bet is he does more of the same.
                                    

Ken
-- 
 Dr. Strangelove      "You know your having a bad day when the fifth
 U.Wisconsin Milwaukee    inning rolls around and they drag the warning
 Major: Political Science  track." -Mike Flanagan, pitcher Baltimore Orioles
 Why that Alias? From the Movie Dr. Strangelove.
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From: lws@sparc1.ee.ncku.edu.tw (WenHsiang Lin)
Subject: Trade Mo Vaughn for Jeff Huson?
Organization: National Cheng Kung University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 05:31:20 GMT
X-Posted-From: sparc1.ee.ncku.edu.tw
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Hi,

   I am considering to trade Mo Vaughn for Jeff Huson. In our league,
four categories for hitting are used to score: BA, HR, RBI, SB, and
24 players in the roster accumulate the points altogether(9 or 10 of
the players are pitchers). We have a Conerman(1B or 3B) and a MI(2B or SS)
in our lineup, and I have following players:

    1B: Mark McGwire, Kent Hrbek, Mo Vaughn
    2B: Bill Doran, Luis Alicea
    3B: Matt William, Brook Jacoby
    SS: Jeff Blauser, Walt Weiss, Dick Schofield

My current lineup for infielder is:

    1B: Mark McGwire
    2B: Bill Doran
    3B: Matt Williams
    SS: Jeff Blauser
    MI: Luis Alicea
    CM: Kent Hrbek

My team has great power and upper-average speed. Should I deal with this
trade? Will Julio Franco replace Huson? Any comment will be appreciated.

WenHsiang Lin
From: alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: farr & henneman
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:53:44 GMT
Reply-To: alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University

thanks for the info i'm in dog fight for second in saves with two others
In article <Bs1wI5.1tJ@news.udel.edu>, roth@ravel.udel.edu (Charles M Roth) writes:
>In article <0095DF47.64405EE0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
>>does anybody out there know the status of Steve Farr and/or Mike Henneman?
>>
>>
>Farr came off the DL sometime last week and l think (maybe) got a win sometime
>this week.  Henneman is back after missing some time (no DL though) with a sore
>arm, but I wonder whether the Tigers will continue to go with Knudsen, who had
>a few saves while Henneman was ailing.
>Henneman is on my team, so I'm trying to follow this one myself.
>Hope this helps,
>Charlie
> ----------------------------------------------------
>| Charlie Roth          roth@brahms.udel.edu         |
>| graduate student, runner, fantasy baseball manager |
>| (not necessarily in that order)                    |
> ----------------------------------------------------
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From: alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: trade?
Reply-To: alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:09:10 GMT

there was a trade consummated in our league. i would like your opinions.
our leader in saves traded Rick Aguilera and Kent Hrbek for Mark McGwire and
Jeff Reardon. the person who received aguilera and Hrbek is second in HR's and
RBI's and next to last in saves, she is also a big time Twinky fan.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: jas4034@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Where Do I Start???
Reply-To: jas4034@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:00:38 GMT

In article <Bro616.9M8@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, kjohnson@demorgan.waterloo.edu (Kevin Johnson) writes:
>
>	Hi, being relatively new to this group I was wondering if all
>	you 'pros' out there could give me a hand.  I'm interested in
>	starting up my own baseball fantasy league for next season but
>	have no idea where to start.  If anybody out there runs one and 
>	could give me some info as to how to attract people, how to keep
>	track of stats,  if any software exists to help me out etc. I'd really 
>	appreciate it if you could drop me some e-mail.
>

    Same here!  I tried last year here, but failed.  And help would be greatly 
appreciated!  Please e-mail with any information.

>	Thanks in advance,
>	Kevin Johnson
>	kjohnson@sunee.waterloo.edu

    Jack Schuler
    jas4034@ritvax.isc.rit.edu

>
>	GO JAYS GO!!!!
>	All The Way This Year!

    NOT!!!!  GO YANKS!!!  (A man CAN hope, can't he?---Die hard fam since '71!)
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From: zarda@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Dr. Strangelove)
Subject: Brewers...
Originator: zarda@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:39:42 GMT

Cal Eldred is now the 5th starter for the Brewers.

W  L   IP  H  ER  BB  SO   ERA
1  0  6.0  7   1   2   2   1.55

Plesac blew another game last night, adding fuel to the rumor that
he's on the way out.

W  L    IP   H  ER  BB  SO   ERA
4  3   51.1 43  22  26  35  3.86

Nilsson is on the Disabled List

AB    H   2B   3B   HR   RBI  AVG
100  20    3    0    3    15  .200

Spiers maybe activated, good luck, Listach is doing great.

Listach  (R)
AB     H   2B   3B   HR   RBI   AVG
292   88    7    6    0    23   .301



Any other questions?
Ken

-- 
 Dr. Strangelove      "You know your having a bad day when the fifth
 U.Wisconsin Milwaukee    inning rolls around and they drag the warning
 Major: Political Science  track." -Mike Flanagan, pitcher Baltimore Orioles
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Brewers...
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:34:59 GMT

In article <36112@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.083510.15350@honte.uleth.ca> savoy@hg.uleth.ca writes:
>>
>>>> tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan) writes:
>>>>Tell me, Doc, what's wrong with Nillson? Not his knee again I hope.
>>
>>> zarda@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Dr. Strangelove) writes:
>>>I believe its his knee again...
>>
>>Hmmm. The latest USA Today BWeekly (which is now 2 weeks old if you're
>>getting it mailed to you in Canada) says that Nilsson went on the DL with
>>a sprained left (non-throwing) wrist.
>
>
>Several kind readers of the net have responded to me via e-mail to
>confirm that it is indeed Nilsson's left wrist that has put him out
>of action for the Brewers. Apparently, however, he is playing with
>Denver in rehabilitation. Whether he'll regain his spot in Milwaukee
>I guess depends on the success of the current Brewer catcher, and on
>team balance.
>
>Finally, let me say thanks to those who e-mailed me info on Nillson.
>BTW, John Jaha is allegedly going to play FB for the Brewers. Has he
>played yet, or likely to, and what are his stats like in the minors?
>
>
>
 Jaha has played about 10 games for the Brewers and after a quick start
 has cooled off somewhat (not that 10 games is a guage of his talent) ;)

 His minor league stats have been pretty incredible. These numbers aren't
 exact, but he was hitting about .320 with 18 homers and 69 RBI in 65 games
 at Denver before being called up. After the buildup and failures of recent
 prospects like Juan Nieves, Glenn Braggs, Joey Meyer, Greg Vaughn (so far),
 and Gary Sheffield (until he was traded, naturally), Brewer fans and
 management have been reluctant to make him out to be a Godlike player.
 
 My guess is that he'll start at first for the rest of the year and unless
 he flops miserably will be the incumbent at first at spring training next
 year.

 Salty

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From: king@ssvax.gte.com (Larry King)
Subject: Detroit Tigers Question
Organization: GTE/SCSD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:58:15 GMT

I have been offered Mark Leiter for Kirk McCaskill.  The other team has
a group of Detroit pitchers and wishes to part with some.  I noticed
that Leiter did not make his scheduled start in the second game of the
double header.  Anyone know the reason for this?  I can't seem to find
anything saying he is hurt.  Any info would be appreciated.  Thanks... 

--
Larry King
GTE Government Systems, Needham, MA    		(617) 455-3384 
E-Mail : king%ssvax.dnet@get.com
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Rob Ducey (Was Re: Cuyler: put on DL?)
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 06:04:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.034708.4347@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> dadler@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (David Adler) writes:

>Fox...Hell, maybe Rob Ducey will get some playing time in
>California....

Did Ducey get traded to the Angels?  If so, when did this happen, and who
was he traded for?  I like Ducey, but I'd rather see Tim Salmon get the
playing time...

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
GO TEAM CHINESE TAIPEI!
GO TEAM USA!	(Hey, I can sit on the fence, can't I?)
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov (Chuck McMath)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Burks for Puckett: y/n
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:35:52 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Organization: MSD

In article <1992Jul29.211943.256@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>,
Virginia.A.Reed@dartmouth.edu (Virginia A. Reed) wrote:
> 
> I'm having some trouble making a desicion, another team offered me
> Kirby Puckett for Ellis Burks, should I do it?
> 
> 
>                                            -Alex Reed

It depends on how your team is doing in the 'busted back' category.  If you
have Greenwell or Canseco, then give up Burks.  Otherwise, keep him.

chuck

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From: 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (roger maynard)
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:39:13 GMT

In <3467@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:

>Baseball certainly isn't a team sport in the way football, basketball, soccer,
>volleyball, hockey, or lacrosse is.  You can see this easily by noting that a
>new player, just traded for or brought up from the minors, can play for the
>team *immediately*.  He doesn't have to learn a "system", figure out his
>teammates' on-field foibles, or anything else more complicated than learning
>a new set of signals for the same old things.  The only real team interactions
>that have to be practiced together are double play pivots, hitting the cutoff
>man, and pitchers covering first base.  Hardly a whole lot of teamwork.

>As I see it, a "team sport" is a sport where the team's performance is more
>than the sum of its parts.  And I just don't see baseball being very much of
>a team sport, in that sense.  Not much more than Davis Cup tennis, in fact.

Baseball can be seen as a team sport in the sense that each player necessarily
brings unique talents and skills to the game.  If you have a pitching staff
that leans towards strikeouts and deep flys, which short-stop would be the
"best", the defensive genius or the offensive powerhouse?  The offensive
player would probably be the "best" player to have in this situation and his 
quality in this case is affected by the style of the pitching staff.
Who is the "best" 1st baseman in a park with a huge foul ball area?  Paul
Molitor or Cecil?
 
>Well, I still think there are a lot of missing links.  Who's the guy on 
>"Night Court" who's always saying "What's your point?".  I feel like him.
>Baseball is a team sport, you say.  What's your point?  How does this imply
>preferring players with worse stats if they have good attitude?  How many
>points of OBP is team happiness worth?  Don't laugh; if you can't answer the
>question even approximately, then you can't use these criteria to evaluate
>teams and players.

The point is that the quality of a player has to be judged in the context of
his team just as in any other team sport.  Is the player who drives in 10
game winning RBI's while hitting 50 home runs a better player than the 9th
place hitter that bunts 11 players into eventual game-winning scoring position?
Which player has done more to help his team win?  

rm 

>-- 
>       David Tate        |"Out of the dugout endlessly swinging,
> dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu | Out of the manager's throat, the sound fundamentals,
> Prof. of Story Problems | Out of the six-month season..."            
> Member ORSA, TIMS, SABR | 	Walt "Lefty" Whitman

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From: 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (roger maynard)
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:32:19 GMT

In <1992Jul28.000913.14453@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

>Fine, but then, don't try to make the rest of us believe in it, if you can't
>prove its existence.

>It always deteriorates down to "I believe it, although I have no evidence for
>it."  You *always* bring up non-statistical contributions of players while
>*knocking on* other people's evaluations.  If you want to believe in non-
>statistical contributions of players, that is perfectly fine; there is no
>way to disprove them, but don't try to force your value on the rest of us.

"force your value on the rest of us"?  You have to be kidding.  I thought 
I was the one constantly fighting off the flames and the cheap shots.  I
can state what I believe can't I, without it being perceived as a threat?

rm 


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