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From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: What happened?
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:57:44 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

alang@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Anthony Lang) writes:

> Karma played a fairly large role in Wolverine's Madripoor saga. I don't know
>what she's been up to lately though. Those Wolvie bi-weekly issues forced me
>to cancel the title.

I think Karma is dead (read it in Marvel Universe I think). As
for bi-weekly issues of Wolverine I think the art is looking
almost as good as when Silvestri was doing it. I would 
consider getting the Tex issues but I really can afford or be
bothered picking up anymore Marvel titles. I dropped X-Factor
when Portacio left (the art sucks now), I may or may not be
dropping Uncanny X-Men and X-Men. X-Men I'll probably drop 
when Thilbert stops doing it and Uncanny I might stick with 
until issue 300. I also dropped Daredevil which was going
nowhere, but that isn't an x-book.

Jed
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From: mbvg9741@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hmmm. . .)
Subject: Re: Excalibur
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 18:05:47 GMT

gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) writes:

>Gosh, right after i post a mild gripe about Davis' writing, he comes back
>with something like the new issue of Excalibur.  THIS is what an X-Book is
>supposed to be.  A sense of history.  Character development/realistic
>interaction.  Sub-plots from years ago coming back unexpectedly.  I love
>it.  I'm still not real pleased with Farmer's inks, though, even though
>this issue was quite a bit above standard Marvel fare.

Is it really that good?  I might actually pick up an issue (after all,
they do have Night Crawler and Kitty, to of my old faves.
-Vincent
From: jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu (Jim Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Excalibur #55 ***SPOILERS***
Date: 2 Sep 1992 16:14:42 GMT
Organization: Rice University

Stupid question time.  What's the difference between Alysdane and
Alysande?  Am I the only one that doesn't understand this?

-- 
Jim Wong (jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu)
From: c60b-3fe@web-3a.berkeley.edu (Mikel Bancroft)
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Subject: Re: Cable
Date: 29 Aug 1992 05:50:18 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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>>JRjr
> ^^^^ Did You know that one of the Marvel Inkers uses the same "Signature" as
>you do, I thought It was neat when I read it

Actually, JRjr does pencils.  What I thought was funny was that JRjr said
he liked the art in the Cable series and it is JRjr that is doing the art.

Mikel B.
"Its not the mileage, its the make." - Cain
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From: cweller@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Catherine Weller)
Subject: Re: X-Problems?
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 00:49:22 GMT

midnight@mdnite.enet.dec.com (Dr. Midnight) writes:


>In article <1992Aug25.085657.2014@wkuvx1.bitnet>, barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:

>>C'mon, the X-books aren't all that bad now.
> 
>Damn few comics are BAD, most are simply mediocre.  Which makes them boring. 
>Quite a few books, to me, fall into this range, including some of the X-books.
[deletia...]
>> EXCALIBUR - man, can Alan Davis draw or what!

>Excalibur, for me, has gone up and down, mostly depending on whether Alan Davis
>is working on it.  When he is, it's good.  The Filler materials that's popped
>up in back issues has ranged from yawn material to really atrocious, but that's
>the nature of filler.  I'm not always keen on the mutliple timeline jumps, but
>I like the sense of humor and the weird antagonists (The Crazy Gang,
>Gatecrasher's TechNet, the WarWolves, etc.)  When it's on, it's very on.  Even
>when it's off, it can be entertaining.

Me too. I would much rather have Alan Davis drawing for Excalibur *permanently*
and leave it at that. Am much PO'd at the 'guest penciller etc.' schtik <sp?>

It'd be allright if they could *draw*; y'know, ART, like Davis does. But noooo,
they have to go with shitstick artists. <growl> <bitch> <whine>

That and shitstick plots/characters. OK, I can handle the multi-dimensional
thing; even when it got silly. BUT THE DANGLERS....AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGHHH!

Like that Courtney Ross/Sat yr^9 thing since just after the Arcade episode,
(forget exact issue number, sorry) it's driving me *nuts*. Seems every guest 
artist (use term loosely) has a guest plot regarding *that* one. I mean, one
issue it's Coutney, then it's Sat yr; a find-the-lady game of maddening
scope - first you have to *define* the lady. Sheesh!

And then there's Jamie. Good subplot going nowhere fast, Excalibur should
either a/ get involved or b/ get rid of him.

And then there's Feron, world class pain-in-the-arse. Part of me shrieks;
"Kill him, KILL HIM!!" every time I see the little snotwipe.

Ooops! Have digressed. Fully expect to get flamed for it; I don't mid so
much, I'll post appologies etc. as needs must :).

TTFN
Cath,
cweller@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au
<whew> 

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From: mchen@groucho.cs.psu.edu (Michael Chen)
Subject: Re: What Happened to Kid Dynamo?
	<wec58la00UjU817Ids@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 01:42:42 GMT

   Yeah.  Anyway, despite these replies which haven't answered the question,
I have copies of the stories... I can mail them, if you like.
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From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD])
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Am i going crazy, ruined characters, and the good ol days
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:40:45 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

In <BtyL5p.rt@acsu.buffalo.edu> v206gb6c@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (PauL M SchwartZ) writes:

>In article <1992Sep1.222108.7079@access.usask.ca>, donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald) writes...
>>caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White) writes:
>> 
>>>I'd like to take a chance to vent about all the venting. It really is

>>	Exactly.  I barely remember the Claremont - written New Mutants... 
>>I started reading after he left...  SO, having gone back and read them, I 
>>see SOME good plotlines, but they were not EXPONENTIALLY better as some people
>    To add to the fire, most people complained about Claremont while he was 
>writing the book.  Dangling plot lines was the most talked about X-book problem,

That's not really true.  Very few people complained about Claremont's
work on New Mutants.  On X-men, yes, New Mutants, no.

As for not having plotlines that are exponentially better than Simonson's,
I'm not sure what your metric is.  (Exponential blowup is *quite* a bit.)

Anyway, it *is* clear that his plots and characterizations are much, much
better.  Check out, for example, the Demon Bear storyline, my favorite
story of the Claremont run.  Compare it to anything Weezie did.  It's
far far better. Better story, better plot, better characters.  (And we
don't even need to go into the art...)

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From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Rogue fans! A question to y'all.
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:07:48 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <20008@plains.NoDak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:

>1.	Rogue's a lot more powerful than any wimpy Kree (Spider-Man
>	can whup on your average Kree -- no insult to Spidey, btw, either).
But then again, so was Ms. Marvel.  I read several issues of her book
( & the Avengers) where she is tossing around fairly large armored
foes (including once dismantling the main-sail of a large ship). I-)

>2.	Rogue's a lot more powerful than Ms. Marvel ever was, although
>	she technically never got a "power boost" (cf. Beast in early
>	X-Factors).
I disagree.

Otherwise, you did a wonderful summary.

					James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all.}
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From: MHANNINEN@finabo.abo.fi (Mika H{nninen Inf)
Subject: Re: Gambit and his powers...
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:35:27 GMT
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> 
> Also don't forget his ability to know what his opponent is going to do
> before he does it. This was mentioned when he willingly took the spike from
> Cameron Hodge (to be used later as a lockpick) and when he fought (and won)
> a danger room battle with Wolverine.
> 
> -- Brian
> brian_vickers@isd.jpl.nasa.gov
This could, ofcourse, also be explained by him being simply DAMN GOOD.
Then again, that IS a line, that Marvel uses a bit too much, methinx.

Mika H{nninen, who hasn't got a kewl handle and/or .sig, but yet somehow 
manages to get by.

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From: caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White)
Subject: Re: Prof.X, his school, and higher education
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:08:32 GMT

In article <92232.131615ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>     It seems that the smartest X-man is Hank McCoy (Beast).

In raw intellect, I'd have to go with Kitty. When she gets to be Hank's
age, she'll be twice the brain he is (and cuter).

As for character dimension, I think the greatest bit of character creating
is the Wolverine/Jubilee team up. It says more about the two of them than
anything else I can think of. 

Topher
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From: wilder@mik.uky.edu (jeff wilder)
Subject: Re: Rogue fans! A question to y'all.
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:04:20 GMT

It's likely (at least, this is how *I* read it) that Rogue was referring to
Carol Danvers' heritage.  I believe Ms. Marvel was half Skree or something
like that.  Those physical attributes would likely have been absorbed by
cute l'il Skunkhair.

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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: X-Prices update :-)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 04:32:54 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <67267@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) writes:

+>I went to two stores of an atlanta-area comic book store chain (Titan games
+>and comics, if you care :-) 

+>They had New Mutants 87 for (get this) $75.

+>Now, i'm not a total knee-jerk Liefield hater, or at least i wasn't when
+>he first started the mutants, but if _anyone_ pays $75 for a book that
+>came out, what, a year and a half ago, and had a print run of that size,
+>they should be shot!  Gimme a break :-)

	$75 is insane.  That is where the book peaked out at months ago
and anyone charging or paying that much now is out of touch.  I've seen
that particular issue as low as $45 and still not moving.  In fact, all
the Liefeld New Mutant stuff is way overpriced.  With Leifeld gone from
Marvel, New Mutants cancelled ,x-force limping along, and a big supply
of reprints available, these books (with the exception of the sabertooth
appearance ) are crashed as far as demand goes.

	The problem is that the comic market and the price guides are
real good and tracking prices up, but rotten at tracking prices down.
Some (CVM and Wizard) consider this a "feature".


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From: rickard@anasazi.com (Ronald J. Rickard Jr)
Subject: Re: X-Prices update : -)
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:20:47 GMT

In article <67267@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) writes:
>They had New Mutants 87 for (get this) $75.
>
>Now, i'm not a total knee-jerk Liefield hater, or at least i wasn't when
>he first started the mutants, but if _anyone_ pays $75 for a book that
>came out, what, a year and a half ago, and had a print run of that size,
>they should be shot!  Gimme a break :-)

Actually, the print run on New Mutants 87 was pretty small compared to some
books today.  The reason being the title wasn't doing well until well after
Liefield took over the art chores.  Anyways, I think that is the biggest
reason for that hefty price tag.

					Ron


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From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Subject: Re: Gambit and his powers...
Organization: Victoria University of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:25:36 GMT

In a letter to Uncanny this same question was asked.
The answer was that no, gambits persuasion is just
his charisma. Not any power!

Jed
From: jmclaughlin@gems.vcu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Rachel Summers' Timeline problems
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:35:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Medical College of Virginia

In article <1992Aug24.222501.561@nmsu.edu>, bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:
> OK Marvel REALLY FUBARed with Rachel Summers.  In the future she comes from
> described by Kate Pryde in Uncanny X-Men #141-142 (Classic 45-46, I believe)
> it is the murder of presidential candidate Robert Kelly by the Brotherhood
> of Evil Mutants that creates thier timeline and in addition the Brotherhood 
> killed Xavier and MacTaggert on Hallowe'en 1980.  This sadly DOES NOT fit
> Rachel's memories OR the timeline discribed by the Phoenix in Excaliber #52.
> 
> In THAT timeline it is the detonation of a nuclear device in Pittsburgh
> (did anyone catch this reference to the PITT saga of the New
> Universe, don't frett I JUST noticed this myself.) by Mastermind that
> created the mutant backlash and Xavier is killed in his mansion as
> oppossed with Robert Kelly as described by Kate Pryde.
> 
> There are two solutions to this:
> 1) Marvel's writers forgot the cause for Rachel's timeline
> or 
> 2) Phoenix LIED about Rachel's timeline
Alternate solution:
Hypothesis: There is one foundation timeline.  All future timelines diverge 
from the foundation.  The foundation timeline in the mainstream Marvel 
universe.  When someone from a diverged timeline travels back to the mainstream 
past, they make subtle alterations in the mainstream that make it less and 
less likely that their future will exist to diverge from the mainstream.  In 
an attempt to maintain the existing divergent and avoid really *nasty* 
paradoxes, the divergent must be altered to match the alterations make in the 
mainstream.  So when Rachel travelled back to the mainstream, her presence 
partially caused the X-Men to prevent Senator Kelly's assassination.  This 
alteration in the past of her divergent eventually forced an alteration so 
that her existence was maintained in the mainstream, and the reason for her 
existence in the mainstream was maintained.  THUS, the reason for the mutant 
backlash had to be changed.
Less significant weirdnesses in the mainstream versus her divergent, like the 
existence of Cyclops' son, will probably be accounted for at a later time 
(helped by the fact that Nathan was flung forward in time and is probably 
Cable, another time traveller arrived to try to alter the past that created 
his divergent).
*whew*  Did that make any sense to anyone at all?

						Judy
From: v116r8ac@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Chris Nasipak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: What happened?
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:57:00 GMT
Organization: United Nations Intelligence Taskforce
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A few years ago, I gave up on comics in general, and having only recently
returned to the fold, I am left wondering about the fates of certain
characters:

Illyana Rasputin
Danielle Moonstar
Rachel Summers
Magneto
The Hellions

Please respond by e-mail.  Thank you very much.


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From: jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox)
Subject: Re: What happened?
Reply-To: jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:27:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.221314.5041@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>Chris Nasipak (v116r8ac@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu) wrote:
>: A few years ago, I gave up on comics in general, and having only recently
>: returned to the fold, I am left wondering about the fates of certain
>: characters:
>: 
>: Illyana Rasputin
>
>This character was *RUINED* by Loiuse Simonson, when she was searching for
>a plot.
>
>: Danielle Moonstar
>
>This character was also *RUINED* by Simonson, the worst writer ever
>in comics. 

  Agreed that the characters were ruined, though I wouldn't call
Louise Simonson the worst writer ever in comics history, only that she
should be kept away from X-books (with force, if necessary).  I liked
Power Pack, and Superman: Man of Steel is relatively unobjectionable
(though not as good as the other superman books).

>[deletia...]
>: Hellions
>
>Hmmm.... I think Simonson was shot before she could ruin them. She tried!
>Last seen: well... who knows?

They were ruined (killed, mostly, in fact) by Jim Lee, in search of a
plot.

Jonathan Lennox
jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
From: MJV@brownvm.brown.edu (Marshall Vale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Cable #1 is out - Spoilers
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:10:25 EDT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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Summary: Nothing happens, read #2
Keywords: biff! bang! pow! <- actually thats a good book too.
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 Well, its out and we all get to know the whole story right? Or maybe you
better wait till issue 2.

SPOILERS




























  (That enough lines?) This issue contains lots of flashbacks to the days
of Cable and the Wildpack. There is a funny note why the name was changed
to Six-Pack. Apparently Silver Sable complained that Wildpack was hers to use.
So the flashbacks lead to an encounter in Afghanistan with Stryfe. Current
day shows Cable defeating MLF people from stealing artifacts (he even kills
one! And it says it was approved by the Code :) Museum cameras catch
pictures of him which Kane, the new Weapon X, see. He goes to see Cable.
They chat, drink some tea, oopss... wrong book. Lets see what do they do??
FIGHT! Only natural. Kane shows a hologram of Stryfe with no helmet. Cable
looks shocked. Reader looks shocked after paying $2.50 for this piece of...
   JRJ art isn't bad. He's inked by Dan Green who seems to have lost
control of his pen since their days on Uncanny X-Men together. Fabian
keeps a tight plot and it is easy to follow with really simple one syllable
words.
   I guess finger guns are in now. If you want good mutant reading, get
the latest Excalibur!

 Marshall
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From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: A few miscellaneous X-questions (Rogue and Empath)
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:38:59 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

>   1)  In between the two most recent issues of Classic X-men, Rogue's
> hair changed from her older twin temple-stripes to her current single
> central "skunk" stripe.  Do these issues repring consecutive issues of
> X-men?  (There wasn't any indication I could find in the most recent
> issue of which issue it was reprinting.)  If not, was there any
> explanation of how her hair changed?

	I wondered about this one too.  Back when I was first collecting
the Xmen but now I cannot remember what they said had changed her.  Probably
just a hair style change, although how that could do it is beyond me!
Maybe her mutant powers also include strange moving of stripe when it looks
more fashionable...

>   2)  In Uncanny X-men #29whatever (the issue before Bishop shows up,
> with the big pointless battle at the Hellfire Club), Empath appears at
> the Club.  Last I knew, he was in Nova Roma with Amara.  How did he
> get back to New York?  (Or is this just the recent ignoring of
> continuity so much in vogue amongst X-book writers?)
> Hope someone can be of some help here...

	I would bet they just screwed this up.  After all they seemed
more content to just get rid of them all in one lump sum rather than
actually taking the time to sensibly retire the characters in a sensible 
fashion.
						wReam...

P.S.  Running out of things to put it this blasted .sig artwork of mine!
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From: dpearson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Pearson)
Subject: Re: X-Men and Batman Animated TV
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:06:01 GMT

cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS) writes:


>A friend of mine would like to know when/if these two series are coming to TV
>(Fox?).

>Please respond by email.  Thanks in advance.

I know that the Batman 'toon is coming to Fox starting September 5th, however
I don't know the time that it will be shown.  I would very much like to know
this, so if anyone has this info, pass it along.

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