From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Proof: God wrote the Bible
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:24:29 GMT

Here we go again, folks...

Arnold E. Nordeng (nordenga@tc.fluke.COM) wrote:

: Are you implying Jesus was lying or misquoted?

Lying, no.  Misquoted, yup.

: to the OT scriptures.  Maybe Jesus was misquoted again?  Maybe Jesus
: is not the way, the truth the life, eh?

Where does it say this in the OT?

: Finally, Peter says that NO PROPHESY of SCRIPTURE came about by the
: prophet's own interpretation.  For prophecy never had its origin in 
: the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by
: the Holy Spirit.  Maybe it is the will of man, eh?
: Maybe Jesus was not so sure as the disciples being lead in truth, and
: maybe Peter was in error here, too?

Peter was, without doubt, a man.  Therefore, he (and Paul with him, and
Timothy, and Luke, and Matthew, et. al.) is subject to making mistakes.

: Jesus said that is why the Counselor would come, and that he would
: never leave us and be with us to the end.  The Counselor is obviously
: the arbiter of truth.

You are referring to the holy spirit, of course.  But the HS is *not* the
bible.

: The letter killeth is man's relationship to the Law, 
: "the letter written on tablets of stone".    Your belief about the 

The ten commandments killed?  Hmmm....

: bible shoots yourself in the foot; it says the bible is not trustworthy, 
: but trust it anyway and put faith in God.  Mormons claim the bible is 
: trustworthy up to a point that it doesn't contradict their book of Mormon, 
: Doctrine and Covenants, etc.
: Joseph Smith was told by a spirit, that all the Christian churches 
: doctrines are an abomination to God.

Joseph Smith did what the bible told him to do in Matthew.  He prayed about it,
and he got an answer.  Are you saying that by following the bible's instructions
that Smith was misled?

Also, Smith was *not* told that "all the Christian churches doctrines are an
abomination".  He was told to join none of the churches OF THAT TIME, and that
God was going to bring up a new church.

: Yet the Bible claims, that, 'Thy word is a lamp unto my feet and a light
: unto my path.'  I suggest you should read Psalm 119 very seriously, and
: pray about it.

What does the bible have to do with church doctrine?

: I challenge you Doug.  Here it is:  You get together all of the verses in
: the bible that state that the bible is a document that kills, and I'll
: put together all the verses that says that it is a document that speaks
: truthfully.   I'll be happy to do this by email.

That's like printing a book that says, "everything in this book is true".
Just 'cause it says so don't make it so, to quote an aphorism.

As for revelation and fulfillment of prophesy, there are other "holy" books that
make the same claim, and have stood up to that claim, too.  Your Western
bias is showing again, Arnold. :)
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG                  erc@apple.com                     801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
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