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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:20:50 -0500 
From: Todd Keenan Bowman <tb0o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Dead movies

hobson@mpr.ca (Darryll Hobson) writes:
>> Although the prequel, NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD (in B/W) pulls a
>> close second. And the sequel, RETURN OF THE LIVING DEAD II just
>> SuCkEd immensely (nothing more degrading than trying to make a
>> comedy out of a horror)

rfischer@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Russell Fischer) writes:
> actually, ROTLD has nothing to do with romero's 'dead' films, other
> than the title and the general genre. fun film though. the only two
> 'real' sequels to the masterful 'night of the living dead' are 'dawn
> of the dead' and the unfortunate 'day of the dead'.
I would tend to disagree with this last statement. Return of the Living
Dead has just as much right to be a legitamate "Living Dead" film as
Dawn of the Dead or Day of the Dead. Sure, it might not by a Romero
'dead' film, but it is an official sequel to Night of the Living Dead.

I'm not sure how the story went, but, Romero and another author (John
Russo?) had written Night of the Living Dead together. After the film
they basically went their seperate ways. The other author kept the
legitamate right to the "Living Dead" part of the title, while Romero
just used 'Dead'.

So while Romero developed a sequel in Dawn of the Dead, Russo(?) made
a sequel of his own in Return of the Living Dead. Each is really as
'official' as the other (except that Dawn came out first).

Are there any other films that have 'alternate' sequels?

todd
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: Re: SK cancels Dark Tower series!
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:56:40 GMT

Jeremy Holstein writes:
>>This one hot off the rumor mill.  Donald M. Grant and Stephen King
>>have confirmed, due to lack of sales on the paperback editions, that
>>the Dark Tower series will NOT be continued.  Apparently while the
>>limited editions of the Dark Tower sold fairly well, sales of the
>>paperback were abysmal.  And, as everyone knows, you don't make much
>>money off of limited editions.

Thanks for that info, Jeremy, even though it is potentially bad news
indeed.  I agree with just about everything you said: that it's a
mistake if it literally means no more Dark Tower books, that the
paperbacks were poorly handled, that Donald Grant could still make money
off the limiteds, and even if push came to shove, that King could
afford to make the series break even for Grant.

Phil Scarr writes:
>Gee, you mean SK isn't in it for the artistic value of his work?
>Heavens.  SK is a mass-market hack.  He pulled crap like this before
>with the Bachman book Thinner.  When sales were abysmil for the first
>few months, he came out and laid claim to the work and sales picked up.
>His work is geared for mass consumption and he is used to staggering
>press-runs so when he has a flop on his hands it doesn't surprise me
>that he drops it without regard for its possible merrit.

I can see where you might get this impression, Phil, but I think you're
wrong about why SK "laid claim" to _Thinner_ (it was because his cover
got blown).  But more importantly, you don't appear to know how
*different* the Dark Tower series is.  It's a very personal thing for
King, rivaled only by The Plant series in terms of how close he holds
his cards to his chest about it.  I think we have to watch and wait to
see what happens, and not draw any fast conclusions about this rumor.
It could mean that SK has lost his "feel" for the Dark Tower series.
It could mean that he wants to pull it back into a more personal,
"limited" realm of his publishing world.  It could mean lots of things.
SK has grown and changed a lot since he first read Robert Browning's
poem "Childe Roland to the Dark Tower Came" and had his flash of
inspiration for the series.  We can't read his mind about where he
is with all of those thoughts now, some 15-odd years later.

							--Fiona Webster
From: scst73@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mr. A. Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Question : Dead films, Romero
Date: 21 Jan 93 11:56:13 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

Night has the same "trapped" feeling, if not more so. 
There is also a colourised version of the film available
on video. I've seen the B/W and colour one and the B/W has
the best atmosphere, by far.
The scene when the young girl "bites" her mother is a 
classic. It still spooks me now!

I too would like to see another "Dead" film from Romero.
From: pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Dead movies
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 16:19:42 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: darkpark

> RETURN OF THE LIVING DEAD...
> 
> Although the prequel, NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD (in B/W) pulls a close second.
> And the sequel, RETURN OF THE LIVING DEAD II just SuCkEd immensely (nothing
> more degrading than trying to make a comedy out of a horror)

 Argh!
 1. ROTLD was NOT a sequel of NOTLD; it was a PARODY of it.
 2. ROTLDII wasn't terrible because it was a comedy -- ROTLD was 
HILLARIOUS but still worked. No, the sequel was just badly written, 
directed, etc..

 What is it with these humourless horror movie fans who just can't 
understand that movies like Evil Dead II and Return of the Living Dead 
were out-and-out comedy pieces? For Christ's sake, next we'll have people 
who'll be calling, say, "Re-Animator" a serious art film...

marlowe

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From: s14736sm@UMASSD.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Clive Barker's "The forbidden" - where?
Date: 28 Jan 93 16:15:24 GMT
Reply-To: s14736sm@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.

In article <1993Jan28.100439.2832@neptune.inf.ethz.ch>, dmichl@iiic.ethz.ch (Mosh) writes:
>
> I recently saw the movie "Candyman" and liked it. You all know the plot is
>based on a story by Clive Barker called "The forbidden" But where can I find
>this short story? It isn't part of one of the "Books of blood", is it?
>Paperback edition preferred, thanks! Maybe it's a book on it's own...
>
>
> 
>
>
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>             Mosh                 (o o)         Dennis "the menace" Michl
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    The name of the book is "In The Flesh".  It's a compilation very 
similar to the books of blood (and just as good!).  Get that and
"The Inhuman Condition" if you can, they're both excellent!  Oh, and
don't forget the short stories at the tail end of "CABAL"!!!

                                                Seanny Mack
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Gates of Hell (was: Re: Question : Dead films, Romero)
Date: 25 Jan 1993 11:56:39 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


 >  My favourite part was the utterly pointless head-drilling
 > sequence.  Delightful.

Oh yeah!  It was great.  Wasn't it something like "Hey kid!  What th'
HELL are you doing down here with my daughter?!" >DRILL DRILL!<

Me and a friend were just discussing how movies get edited in order to
make the rating they want, ruining the director's vision of the film.
We got to talking about movies that were released with an X rating.  If
you remember, EVIL DEAD 2 was like that.  They carded at theaters around
here, and NOBODY under 17 was allowed in, period.  With an R rating your
mom can take you to see it, though nobody really checks anyway.  But
with EVIL DEAD 2 they did -- and RE-ANIMATOR too, I think.

I brought up that another one of those movies was THE GATES OF HELL.  I
even remember the TV commercials they did for it.  It was just a black
screen with white characters that scrolled up saying something like "The
Gates of Hell is the most terrifying experience ever to come to the
silver screen." (Or something like that.) "It is so shocking that we
cannot show a single scene from this film in this commercial.  No one
under 17 will be admitted.  Be prepared for the most horrifying
experience of your life."  I don't remember what was actually said, but
it was along those lines.  Does anyone else remember this??  That was
the WHOLE COMMERCIAL, just this text scrolling.  It really made me wanna
see it though, even though I was only like 15 at the time, I think,
maybe younger.
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Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: kjetilgr@ifi.uio.no (Kjetil Granlien)
Subject: Re: Stephen King Calendar
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:01:35 GMT
Originator: kjetilgr@holmenkollen.ifi.uio.no


This calendar is avaible in most shops around here.. 
I found it quite nice as well.. 


Kjetil
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: donnell@manowar.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: Question : Dead films, Romero
Organization: none
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:34:27 GMT

In article <1jl7spINNp0d@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder) writes:
>
> > 2. What is Romero up to these days? Is there another Dead film in
> > the near future or planned? What the bell would be the name of it;
> > "Afternoon of the Dead"; "Dusk of the Dead" ?
>
>You might want to catch the movie ZOMBIE!, by the director of THE GATES
>OF HELL (I think his name might be Luccio Felucci).  It is supposed to
>be an unauthorized entry into Romero's zombie saga -- that is, Romero
>had nothing to do with it.  I haven't seen it yet myself, but I've been
>meaning to.  It's supposed to have lots and lots of shots of zombies
>getting their brains blown out.
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That's Lucio Fulci. The original title was "Zombie 2". DOTD was released
in Italy as "Zombie". It does feature lots of gore, but the one scene
you will really remember involves some squirm-inducing shots of an Eyeball...
<see it!> as it approaches a big pointy.... < I can't give it all away,
See IT!!!!>]

It's not even close to a Romero dead film, but you could do a lot worse in '
the italian gutmucher genre.

For those wishing to do worse, i suggest a little wallow in excess called
"Make Them Die Slowly" aka "Cannibal Ferox". Uncut, it is a hellmovie!!!!

Pax
					--Judex--


Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Grizabella)
Subject: Re: SK cancels Dark Tower series!
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-28098]: sparta
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:01:19 GMT

I tried mail, it bounced, so I'm gonna try posting now...


In article <1k26meINNkci@gondor.sdsu.edu> you write:
> jeremy holstein (jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu) wrote:
> :   What did most people out there think of this
> : series?
>
>   _The Gunslinger_, I must admit, I found only pretty good, which is quite
> below par for the good Mr. King. (I thought Walter would NEVER shut up! :-) )
> However, _The Drawing of the Three_ is GREAT, which makes up for it. _The
> Waste Lands_ is a step down from _Drawing_, but I found it good anyway.

Aha! Someone who thinks as I do! Almost everyone I have talked to liked
either _The Gunslinger_ or _The Wastelands_ better. I loved _Drawing_--
seeing how Roland got the others there and how they reacted to being pulled
out of their world. _Gunslinger_ was good, but VERY drawn out. I really
liked the last 50 pages or so, but it took me a long time to get there!
(And it seemed even longer than it actually was! :) ) _WasteLands_ was my
second favorite as well, and the only thing I want to say about it is,
"Oh, Come ON! A TALKING train!" (And one on a suicide mission! Who will
kill himself and everyone else unless they come up with a joke that
he can't answer!-- Yeah, Right!) Although there have been rumors on the
net lately that King isn't going to continue the series, I'm going to
continue to hope because I want to learn more about Rolands friends that
he grew up with. (I can't remember their names... the ones from his
chilhood that he snuck off to the execution with, etc.) I heard that's
what _Wizards and Glass_ was supposed to be about.  I also want to
hear more about Susannah, Eddie... etc. Anyway, I agree with the original
poster about the fact that if King cancels this series, he's going to
be doing himself a big dis-service because a LOT of people like this series.

>
>                                               Love & kisses,
>

Meows and kisses...
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From: cjd@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Christopher Dean)
Newsgroups: alt.horror,rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Friday the 13th part nine
Date: 19 Jan 93 13:20:42 GMT
Followup-To: alt.horror
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

In article <axg708.277.727051954@cscgpo.anu.edu.au> axg708@cscgpo.anu.edu.au (Ashraf Ghebranious) writes:
>Gee. I can't wait for Friday the 13th part thirteen. Should be extra scary 
>dont you think?

Part Nine is the final one and is said to be closer to what the first was.

-Kevin
From: DukeJ@cup.portal.com (Chris - Janus)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: looking for a good horror movie (vide)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 11:31:23 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

  
   For a good horror movie I recommend "The Resurrected" it is based on the
H.P. Lovecraft story "The Case of Charles Dexter Ward".  I really enjoyed it,
and so did everybody I showed it to.


DukeJ@cup.portal.com
From: pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Gates of Hell (was: Re: Question : Dead films, Romero)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 16:12:18 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: darkpark

>  >  My favourite part was the utterly pointless head-drilling
>  > sequence.  Delightful.
> 
> Oh yeah!  It was great.  Wasn't it something like "Hey kid!  What th'
> HELL are you doing down here with my daughter?!" >DRILL DRILL!<

 Exactly. And the best part is that it didn't contribute to ANYTHING. 
They just had a subplot that needed getting rid of, so it was done in as 
violent and pointless a way as possible. Love those Italians.


> I brought up that another one of those movies was THE GATES OF HELL.  I
> even remember the TV commercials they did for it.  It was just a black
> screen with white characters that scrolled up saying something like "The
> Gates of Hell is the most terrifying experience ever to come to the
> silver screen." (Or something like that.) "It is so shocking that we
> cannot show a single scene from this film in this commercial.  No one
> under 17 will be admitted.  Be prepared for the most horrifying
> experience of your life."  I don't remember what was actually said, but
> it was along those lines.  Does anyone else remember this??  That was
> the WHOLE COMMERCIAL, just this text scrolling.  It really made me wanna
> see it though, even though I was only like 15 at the time, I think,
> maybe younger.

 I know exactly what you mean. Back when home video, the world, and I 
were new, I'd trail along with my parents (who were among the first wave 
of VCR owners) to the neighbourhood video store and pine over the horror 
section. Being rather strict about that kind of thing, they wouldn't let 
me borrow anything with an 'R' rating, so I used to gaze longingly at 
"Friday the 13th" and "Maniac", often imagining the perverse delights I 
was missing.
 Of course, as soon as I was able, I saw the damn things. Needless to 
say, my illusions were shattered.


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marlowe

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"You win a prize for that, for telling lies like that so well that I 
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Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: david.vaughan@rose.com (david vaughan)
Subject: Re: Dead movies
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 23:30:49 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 01-28-93 18:23
I decided not to quote any of the preceding messages.  Essentially, 
the discussion is about whether Return of the Living Dead is part of 
Romero's official 'Dead' universe.

It is not related in any way to Dawn or Day, but rather seems to be a 
parallel universe offering a different, more comical, approach to 
Romero's basic premise.  In the first ROTLD, when the characters first 
go to look at the zombies in the basement, one tells the other that 
Night was based on a real incident, and that the zombies are the 
outcome of that incident.  On the basis of this scene, I would 
interpret it as being as a parody, or a parallel universe, rather than 
a direct sequel.

David S. Vaughan
Hamilton, Ont., Canada
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From: lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Eric Lorenzo)
Subject: Re: SK cancels Dark Tower series!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:46:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.155416.22985@shearson.com> scarrobi@shearson.com writes:
>hey noIn article 6069@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU, prs9k@brain.med.virginia.edu (Phil Scarr) writes:
>> In article <1993Jan24.224024.14889@scott.skidmore.edu> jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein) writes:
>money off of limited editions.
>  
>> Gee, you mean SK isn't in it for the artistic value of his work?
>> Heavens.  SK is a mass-market hack.  He pulled crap like this before
>> with the Bachman book Thinner.  When sales were abysmil for the first
>> few months, he came out and laid claim to the work and sales picked up.
>> His work is geared for mass consumption and he is used to staggering
>> press-runs so when he has a flop on his hands it doesn't surprise me
>> that he drops it without regard for its possible merrit.
>> 
>> 	-Phil
>
>u are so far from the truth it is disgusting.
>king made an elaborate effort to keep his identity secret. he made phoney 
>editors and publishers, gave bachman a phoney past et al. 
>some jerk figured it out and blew his cover, buy writing and finding out that king 
>was bachman.
>get your facts straight before defaming someone. sounds like jealousy. if u
>dont like the man dont read his books. 
>

	I wonder where King got the idea for 'The Dark Half'? :*)
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Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: Stephen King - The Raft
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:50:08 GMT

In article 8Hs@DMI.USherb.CA, bourp00@DMI.USherb.CA (PIERRE BOURBONNAIS) writes:
> In article <93023.210742PB5329A@auvm.american.edu> Patrick Barton <PB5329A@auvm.american.edu> writes:
> >Actually it was CreepShow 2, in which King was a truck driver I believe...
> >(I think...I'm not sure...well, maybe not...any confirmation?)
> >
> >always, patrick
> 
> Yep! right! In fact, King played in many of his film, unoticed usually. He
> played un CREEPSHOW and CREEPSHOW II, he played in PET SEMATARY, he played
> also in THE SLEEPWALKER. He must have appeared in other movies as well, I
> may not have noticed.
> 
> Pierre
> 
> 
> 


a concept he borrowed from the late great Alfred Hitchcock.

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From: edm@gocart.eng.hou.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)
Subject: Re: Question : Dead films, Romero
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:29:58 GMT

>>>>> On 21 Jan 1993 04:13:13 GMT, intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder) said:
INT> NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


 > 2. What is Romero up to these days? Is there another Dead film in
 > the near future or planned? What the bell would be the name of it;
 > "Afternoon of the Dead"; "Dusk of the Dead" ?

INT> You might want to catch the movie ZOMBIE!, by the director of THE GATES
INT> OF HELL (I think his name might be Luccio Felucci).  It is supposed to
INT> be an unauthorized entry into Romero's zombie saga -- that is, Romero
INT> had nothing to do with it.  I haven't seen it yet myself, but I've been
INT> meaning to.  It's supposed to have lots and lots of shots of zombies
INT> getting their brains blown out.
INT> -- 

Ack  Pttthpt!  It's Lucio Fulci.  As chance would have it, I just happened
to watch _The Gates of Hell_ again last night.  (Don't blame me, I
had a third movie free and didn't have time to browse!).  Although
_Zombie_ and GOH are good clean fun :) I wouldn't consider comparing 
them to any of Romero's work. 
 
--
Ed McCreary                                               ,__o
edm@gocart.eng.hou.compaq.com                           _-\_<,
"If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."  (*)/'(*)