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From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: MTB Where to ride in New Zealand?
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:10:32 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <21664@sybase.sybase.com>, larryb (Larry Bernstein) writes:
> Hi,
> I'm planning to do a trip to New Zealand the end of November to
> early December (total of 14 days). Currently the plan is to fly 
> in to Auckland, rent a van and a couple mountain bikes, drive 
> down to the south island , do a series of day mountain bike 
> trips, and stay at guest houses. I'd appreciate if anyone can
> share insite into any or all of the following:
> - possible pit falls of this plan, 
> - where to ride, 
> - where to stay, 
> - advice on renting mountain bikes on north or south island.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Larry Bernstein
> larryb@sybase.com 
> or try
> !sybase!larryb@eng.sun.com

	Gidday Larry,
	The first thing you should do  is to get a copy of the book "Classic
New Zealand Mountain Bike Rides",  by Paul Kennett,  Patrick Morgan,  and
Jonathan Kennett.  This was published last year by G.P.Publications in Petone
(NZ).
	Also,  renting MTBs is pretty expensive.  There are so few second hand
ones on the market that you could get something like the Giant Sedona for about
NZ$1000 and sell it for close to that when you leave.  The chain shops "Ski Yer
Heart Out" rent bikes,  but pretty much for weekends only I think.

	As far as where to stay,  there are heaps of great Backpackers Hostels
that are dirt cheap and offer cool company and surroundings at most places. 
But 'farm stays'  and bed-and-breakfasts are becoming quite common too.  then
there's always the local pub.

	I don't have any more detailed info on me,  but if you just get a map
and head for Auckland's main street (Queen St) you'll find a backpacker's
hostel and a bigger Information Building practically across the road from each
other - you'll find out everything there.

	Cheers,

	Jonathan.
	University of Waikato
	Hamilton
	NEW ZEALAND!!
From: akins@flamingo.cis.ohio-state.edu (gregory adkins)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: cycling announcers
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:20:30 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science

In article <1992Jul27.012847.1@vax1.umkc.edu> jbukovich@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>Is is just me or are the olympic announcers for cycling woefully
>inadequate??
>
I agree, after watching the olympics all evening just to see
the cycling race, I got to see two personal interviews, numerous
comercials, the evening news and finally about 10 minutes total
of racing time.  During this the announcers spent more
time talking about Thompson's boyfriend's heart problem and
Longo's reputation, than racing strategy.

Maybe ESPN should bet Olympic coverage 4 years from now.

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From: alant@donner.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Alan Tragarz (JD))
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: NBC's Olympic Coverage
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:57:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: donner.1992Jul28.185732.16341
Organization: NCR Corp., E&M San Diego

In article <22784@oasys.dt.navy.mil> tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith)
writes:
>
>    I especially liked the way they cut to "Dick Enbergers Moments"
>in the last five minutes of the race, just after it looked like the
>australian's break was might work. After Dick waxed poetic about how 
etc ...

Tim,

Last night NBC also broke up the Croatia vs. USA basketball game in similar
fashion.  I suspect that this is just the format which they are using.
The point is that I don't believe they discriminated against cycling. Just
think about the handball aficionados. NBC probably will never show that
event.

Alan
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From: idelson@bms.com (Ira Idelson)
Subject: Cassette Cog Longevity Question
Reply-To: idelson@bms.com
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb PRI
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 10:55:37 GMT




I was wondering what other people's experiences with cassette cog
longevity is.  How many miles does a (Hyperglide) cassette usually
last?

I have a Cannondale R600 with 105 components which I bought in
September. I have put about 2700 miles on the bike. I changed the chain
at about 1000 miles. My mechanic tells me my chain and cassette are
both worn and need to be replaced.  I am very conscientious about
keeping the drive train clean.

I was wondering if this was a typical life span for these parts, if it
seems kinda short or if I got more miles than expected.

If there is enough interest in this I will post a summary of
responses.

Ira Idelson
idelson@idg02.bms.com
From: boop@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (joseph.a.lapenta)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bad Accident
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:53:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T


Just had to give my opinion on this one.

I know a lot of people that are cops and I must say there are very
few of them that are in that job for the right reasons (helping
society, public service, etc.).

I know one officer that constantly brags about confiscating booze
and fireworks from minors only to be brought to his own 4th of
July party (fireworks are illegal in my neck of the woods).

Or how about a cop who lets his girlfriend attend a Halloween
party dressed as cop - complete with a 9mm sidearm?  It wasn't
loaded, but it is a GUN.  I certainly don't handle my firearms
that irresponsibly.

I also know a cop that always drives at unbelievable speeds (how
does 125mph in a 55mph sound?).  He brags about how he can flash
his badge and get out of a ticket.  What do you think would happen
if one of us civilians were to get caught driving like that?

I could go on and on, but I think you wreck.bicyclers get the
message.

Not all cops behave like this, but from my own experience, I don't
know one who is completely straight.  It is beyond me why they
hold us mere mortals to higher standards than they hold themselves.

What does all my blabbering have to do with cycling?  Everything,
especially if the next time you encounter a cop you're in your
Pearl Izumi wear with your ride wrapped around your neck.  He
could be a sympathetic recreational rider or he could be scum who
knows less about the law than you do.

I have now donned my Nomex suit, so let the flames fly.

Joe LaPenta

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From: LANSCHE@TOROLAB6.VNET.IBM.COM ("Martin Lansche")
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Mandatory Helmet law in Ontario in 18 months.
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:42:44 GMT

A news item this morning - a private member's bill is being supported by the
Ontario provincial government.  The bill will require all cyclists in Ontario
to wear helmets.  It is expected to be law within 18 months.

(Now if only something could be done the legions of sidewalk riders, wrong-way
riders, and "ignore-all-rules-of-the-road" riders - how can we reach these
people?)
Martin Lansche
lansche@torolab6.vnet.ibm.com - Internet
LANSCHE @ TOROLAB6            - VNET

In no way (except, of course by coincidence) do my comments represent those of
my employer.
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From: puc@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov (Bernard Puc)
Subject: Re: Question: rebuilding wheels 
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA/GSFC-Laboratory for Astronomy and Solar Physics
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:12:00 GMT

	I bought a bike in March '92 that came with Araya 700c
rims.  The tires are Panaracer Vertex 23c, Shimano 105 hub.
I ride 75 - 100 miles per week.  The wheels were trued once
(free tune-up with purchase) in May and have not needed any 
attention since then.  I'm a novice cyclist and do not have 
any experience with other rims with which to compare Araya.  
They have been no problem so far.
From: mtnbiker@singletrack.EBay.Sun.COM (Daniel Abernethy)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Aluminum's Lifespan
Date: 30 Jul 1992 16:50:15 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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From tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Aluminum's Lifespan
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:40:03 GMT

I have worked on aluminum aircraft so old and with so many
hours on them that I'm pretty sure they were autographed
by Wilbur and Orville.

I've worked on low aerial number DC-3's with no structural
fatique damage.


Yeah, but how many of them were high altitude pressurized a/c ?

The DC-3s ceiling was less than 30,000 ft. I'm pretty sure.

Things were WAY overbuilt back then, i.e. They don't make'em like they used to.

Aren't a/c a fully stressed type design, distributing stress cycles over the
ENTIRE airframe?

sounds like apples to oranges to me.


D 
mtnbiker@singletrack  aka fat tyre flyer
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,sci.med
From: whalen@starch.enet.dec.com (Rich Whalen)
Subject: Re: Hand numbness after extended cycling
Reply-To: whalen@starch.enet.dec.com (Rich Whalen)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Shrewsbury, MA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:21:11 GMT


I had experience with the numbness a few years ago after a 2 day, 150 mile
ride on a mountain bike.  This was before I had ever heard about bar ends, so
my main cause was lack of changing positions.  I was wearing a watch on my
left arm, and the left hand was worse than the right.  So if you wear a watch
when you ride, that could be the cause of one and not the other.  I don't
recall a loss of power, and feeling did return a few weeks later.  Since then
I don't wear a watch when I ride (in fact I never wear one now), and though
I've had a few minor recurances, none have lasted as long as that did.
------------------------------------------------------
Rich Whalen

You don't know where these bits have been!
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Subject: Re: Question: wheel rebuilding
From: jbrodsky@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu (cool flowin gotta keep goin...)
Date: 30 JUL 92 03:31:42    
Reply-To: jbrodsky@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: UofA Hardware And Computing Knowledge Society
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4  

In article <9207290212.AA04505@hplomg.hpl.hp.com>, BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes...
>Jonathan Dodd writes:
> 
>> WHAT'S WRONG WITH ARRYA? (or however you spell it) - I only yesterday
>> bought a new rim of that brand,  lightweight and semi-aero,  with a good price
>> tag by New Zealand standards.  I know they're not the best,  but the worst???
> 
>Sorry to leave a dangling recommendation against a rim like that.  I have not
>used these rims but I hear a consistent complaint that tires blow off these
>rims both from users and some bike shop employees.  I have no better
>information than that.  I don't know what tires, tubes, or rim strip.
>Therefore, let me say it is hearsay and you had best ask satisfied users
>about their experience.  Maybe others who have used these rims can fill in
>here.  For myself, I have heard enough believable scenarios of failures to
>not want to make experiments.  I don't believe it is a conspiracy generated
>by Mavic or Campagnolo.
> 


     I have been racing on my araya RM-20s for two years with no problems
except one:  I catch ungodly air in races for fun and crowd support, etc.
The spokes have begun to pull thru the rim, that's the only problem.
About the tires blowing right off the rim, what kinda rim was it?
    Joel Brodsky      jbrodsky@hacks.arizona.edu
                      jbrodsky@seagull.tucson.az.us
                      jbrodsky@maria.wustl.edu
                      jmbrodsk@nyx.cs.du.edu


  I don't yet have a nifty bike pic to go here.  -sorry 
I don't think an RM series rim will do that unless the tire is the wrong size.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ward@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Christ Ward)
Subject: Re: Headset problems with my mountain bike
Keywords: gorilla lock nut
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:39:36 GMT

gcarter!gcarter (George Carter) writes:

>Re: Gorilla headset lock nut

>Yes, this product works very well on either road or mountain bikes.
>Mavic makes a headset that includes an integral Gorilla-type lock nut,
>but for aesthetic reasons the allen bolt is very small.  I do not have
>any experience with this latter product.  Has anybody used it?

No, not with the Mavic, but I just got a Joe Murry Impact Headset (200 mi) ago.
It has oversized lower bearings and a lockring similar to the Mavic. I did
want the Mavic, but, for 25 bucks I thought Joe's was deal and so far it has
been. Many different headsets are now using the lockring idea. These are well
worth it in my view, you don't need a big wrench and you can fix on the trail
if need be.  Repacking time is much faster too. If you need a new headset check
these out.

Chris "over bars" Ward
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Missing subject header
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 23:02:14 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

The size of the Peloton in the Tour doesn't seem to have been
dimenished by the radically increased salaries spearheaded
by LeMond. I believe that the increased salaries are also
the cause of the increased competitiveness in the Peloton.

In every case there seems to have been a much higher positive
change than negative change. Personally I think that such
arguements are specious in the first place since cyclists
wages are a mere pitance compared to European Socker or
and major American sport.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 07:29:39 EDT
From: <U3C@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Shaun Wallace(RE: BOARDMAN - the lo-down)

JUst saw the results of the pursuit at the olymics ...Boardman CAUGHT the
German he was riding against in the final to win gold....wow

Last night I spoke to Shaun Wallace (Silver at last years pro worlds in the
pursuit) while training at the Lehigh County Veledrome (the best run
veledrome in the US) and he confirmed the rumor that he will be riding
the Lotus (I say the and not "a" lotus because there seems to be only 1
or maybe two of the beasts).  He is leaving in about a week for Colorado
Springs where he will train with the bike till he leaves for the worlds in
about a month....I hope this will help him win a gold at the worlds....
he is an INCREDIBLE rider and a really nice guy...GO SHAUN!!!!!


steve litvin  u3c@psuvm.psu.edu
From: lars@craycos.com (Ron Larson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: LEMOND BASHERS?
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:48:21 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Jul23.214152.28836@ccd.harris.com> kmb@controls.ccd.harris.com (Kurt Brunton) writes:
>
>	One last thing in this post, Greg Lemond is a wimp.  Anyone making two
>mil a year (probably more) whose only goal is one race for the whole season has

Seems like a strange observation when Greg won Tour du Pont this
spring.  I realize there are those who would argue that there was
little competition there - Tour of Spain and others were on at the same
time.  Seems easy for all the arm chair quarterbacks to bash a man who
won TdF three times.  Either get out and ride bike or settle in - NFL
season is coming up and you can really get into what your good at...

Asbestos suit on!

lars
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From: jwgst2+@pitt.edu (James W Gourgoutis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Hub bearings
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:50:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Dear Rec.bicycles:

	I just got my new wheelset today from Nashbar for my MTB project.
The wheels are the UA16's from nashbar with 32-spoke Shimano Deore LX hubs.
I originally ordered 36 spoke wheels, which were backordered, but then I 
changed my mind and switched to 32-spoke wheels with the help of Nashbar's 
customer service.  No problem!  The 32's were IN STOCK!  Anyway, the hub
axels seem kind of tight.  The rear hub is VERY tight.  Are these axels
supposed to be used this way, or should I adjust them?  I have heard about
running new hubs a little tight to "bed in" the new bearings and races.  Is
this the reason that these hubs are tight?  Please advise!!!!  Thanks!

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From: jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Gas companies using bicycles in advertising
Date: 23 Jul 92 10:21:38
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
Distribution: usa
	<1992Jul9.132309@IASTATE.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: alib@IASTATE.EDU's message of 9 Jul 92 18:23:09 GMT

> One short little clip shows a big burly dude curling dumbells
> in a health club with bikini-clap [interesting typo] women
> ogling all around, with a cyclist looking forlornly through
> the window. The narrarative at that point says something like
> "results may vary."  Clearly not very pro-cycling.

=o= Ghod, how pathetic.  Of course, in real life, the situation
is reversed.

=o= That is to say, at no time have I ever seen bikini-clad
persons hanging out in a health club, ogling big arms.  I have
seen spandex-aerobics-outfit-clad persons at such clubs, but
if they go into the weight rooms at all they tend to expend more
energy avoiding big-armed oglers than ogling the big arms.

=o= I have, however, seen bikini-clad persons on beaches, not
far from bike paths, ogling (and whistling at) the fine, sexy
legs of a cyclist wearing those sexy little bicycling shorts.
I didn't whistle back, though . . .
    <_Jym_>
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From: pcl@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul Chiao Liu)
Subject: request for info on bicycle helmet law study
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 21:32:15 GMT

Hi,
Let me begin by saying that I don't want to see another helmet
flame war, I'm just asking for info.

A few weeks ago, a local newscast did a story on the effect of 
bicycle helmet laws.  They referenced a report which 
compared a county that had no helmet laws vs.
a county that had programs to educate bicyclists on the benefits of
helmets vs. a county with bicycle helmet laws (that I think were
publicized).  My understanding was that the counties were in the
Maryland/Virginia area. The figures the newscast gave were percent
wearing helmets in those counties, with the results something like
4%, 17%, 55% respectively. 

Does anyone there have a reference for this report, as I would be
interested in seeing the details of the study, how the study was
done, and what the exact results were, plus of course to see if the
study was valid, if the counties were directly comparable, etc.

If someone has the text of
the report available online, that would be great. Otherwise, a source
would be better than nothing.

Thanks

Paul Liu
pcl@power.stanford.edu

Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:19347 sci.med:14969
From: cpr4k@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Christian P. Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,sci.med
Subject: Re: Hand numbness after extended cycling
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:13:39 GMT
Reply-To: cpr4k@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Christian P. Roberts)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Academic Computing Center - U.Va.

In article <1409@seqp4.sequoia.com>, alavalle@seqp4.sequoia.com (Art
LaValle) writes:
|> In article <92204.074918EWN1@psuvm.psu.edu>, EWN1@psuvm.psu.edu
writes:
|> > In article <1992Jul21.211806.21416@cs.ubc.ca>, croehrig@cs.ubc.ca
(Chris
|> > Roehrig) says:
|> > >
|> > >I went on a 290 km (180 mi) cycle-camping tour on the weekend, and
now,
|> > >two days later, the ring and pinky fingers on my left hand are
still
|> > 
|> > heel of your hand might cause the nerve problem.  
|> > 
|> I've had problems like this over the years and in some cases it was a
positional
|> problem. If you are doing *nothing* else off the bike that could be
related to
|> this then I'd have someone check your position - 
|>      ...      You may have your bike
|> setup so that your distributing too much weight onto your arms - it's
possible.
|> 
|>      ...  I could never figure out whether it was nerve
|> pressure due to a slight increase in muscle bulk or just the result
of road shock from
|> the ski poles.  After the ski season (assuming we even had one) was
over, and I stopped
|> doing the ski stuff, the numbness would gradually subside till the
next fall.
|> 
|> BTW - I have had this problem in the past just from a bike related
problem. In that instance
|> I had my Handlebar Stem set way too low in the headtube, about 3
inches lower than my
|> saddle. Raising it to a more normal level seemed to better distribute
my weight and the
|> problem disappeared.

      I'm curious about the neurological connections here, and hope
there's someone who can shed some of that light on this:
     I'm not a cyclist, but have experienced this sort of numbness,
along with some tenderness in the thumb odf the same hand.  I am 
concerned that it might be CTS or its ulnar nerve counterpart.
     So, no cycling, but I have been doing Iyengar yoga for about
18 months.  What rang a bell in the description above was that there
could be some compression in the SHOULDER area that is being
transferred
down the arm.  Is this likely?  The only similarity I can find between
the cyclist's description above and my own would be that there are
yoga postures in which the bearing of one's weight is on the hands,
elbow
joint, and shoulder - for example, the vertical handstand.



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cpr4k@virginia.edu                University of Virginia           
(804) 982-4693                    Charlottesville, Virginia 22903
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From: hpk@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (howard.p.katseff)
Subject: Looking for bicycle rack for Ford Taurus wagon
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:01:20 GMT

I have a 1992 Ford Taurus wagon with the factory luggage rack.
I'm looking for a bicycle rack that will work on my car.
I would prefer one that attaches directly to the existing rack.

Well Taurus and Sable owners out there... do you have any
suggestions?  Please email to me and I will summarize to this group.
-- 
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PHONE: 908 949-5337
From: coleman@twinsun.com (Mike Coleman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bicycle Racks
Date: 20 Jul 92 19:32:06 GMT
Organization: Twin Sun, Inc

At UCLA, the *new* bikeracks are basically inverted U's made of 1 1/2" pipe,
about 3' high, with the ends anchored in concrete.  These look pretty good to
me, and using a U-lock with them is easy.

In my experience, any bike rack that comes from a company that manufactures
bike racks is generally a total disaster and should be avoided.

Mike

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