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From: tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Tuff Luff and other headstay foils
Date: 18 Nov 92 10:15:26 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In <ZIELKE.92Nov17120227@hemlock.nrl.navy.mil> zielke@hemlock.nrl.navy.mil (David Zielke) writes:

>Being the one who started all of this, and that the question was with regard
>to cruising sailboats, what about the option of a double headstay?  I have
>seen a few boats which simply have two headstays side by side.  I assume you
>could do everything that the foil allows while at the same time having the
>advantage of the hanks for ease of sail handling on the deck (not loosing
>the sail over the side).


>David Zielke
>'Botany Bay'
>Cal 35 Hull 006

>zielke@fozzie.nrl.navy.mil

The double headstay is a good and seamanlike system, it doubles the
'weak' part of your rigging, makes your sail changes smoot, keeps
the sails on board, is reasonably cheap and reliable.

Why it is not very popular is because it adds some windage and the
racing freaks things they are loosing one tenth of of a percent of
speed. 

- Lauri Tarkkonen

PS: You who claim that I do not know what I am talking, an use as
an argument that the last time two ton cup champion did not have
double headstay and your best buddy sailing his 75 foot maxi did
not have double headstay, please read the question, which I am 
trying to answer first. :-).
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Radio Active Waters ?
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 01:38:00 -0800

I believe they plan to become totally self sufficient in energy.
The stuff (supposedly) will be used for generating nuclear enrgy, but
who knows ??? maybe also weapons  ??

Anyway it's scary stuff and I believe, a conspiracy for France, U.K. and
also U.S.A. to make money by unloading surplus stocks.

But if you like a life on the Ocean wave or lake or river wave for that
matter you ought to be concerned as should all sailors and people not
wanting to get cancer from radioactoive spills.

The question is how to get action ... ?

Consumer advocacy on a global scale is probably the best.
Boycott certain products in rotation until the Japanese Government is
forced to pay attention because of threats to its economic might and
power in the world ...

It seems to me thatis the only way, somehow, I don't think people really
care and have fallen into a trough of apathy.

But think of it.

50 more 2 month 14,000 mile voyages. Each containing a radioactive cargo
of plutonium.

What time of year is this for such a voyage anyway ?  Groannnnnnn..

bye
From: mattp@phred.UUCP (Matt Pedersen)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Mike Plant
Keywords: Lost?
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:58:11 GMT
Organization: Physio Control Corp., Seattle WA

This Sunday's paper had an article saying that Mike Plant
was two weeks overdue on his trip to Europe.  It said
a weak distress signal was heard, but apparently was
untraceable (was this a radio mayday or something
from an EPIRB?). 

Has anybody heard anything more recent?

Matt Pedersen    pilchuck!mattp@phred
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: cheri@decoy.cc.bellcore.com
Subject: Re: IAAPA and Texas Giant III and other stuff
Organization: TheNews 
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 17:23:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.133831.1665@ccd.harris.com> wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com
(Bill Figie) writes:
>
> [...]
>
>I am sure some ACEers left a little disappointed at the lack of park
>time and coaster riding time, but I had a good time.  Let me hear from
>others on what they thought and what they did around Texas when you
>couldn't go to the park.
>
>		Bill "Kumba is going to get you" Figie
>
I fall into the category of being disappointed at the lack of park time,
especially since it stopped raining Saturday afternoon -- the Saturday
night ERT could have been awesome!!  I also left early on Sunday, so I
didn't get to enjoy the park on Sunday when it wasn't raining, although I
did manage to be there for most of the ERT Sunday morning.  However, I'm not
sorry I went -- it was a nice vacation!!  We spent a couple of days in Houston
(I called AstroWorld in September, and asked if the park was open weekends in
November.  They said yes.  But they weren't open when we went 
:-(!)  We went to Galveston and to Space Center Houston (which was neat, but
I'd recommend going on a weekday).  Then we headed up to Arlington, where we
did several historic exhibits, the JFK memorial, the zoo, and IAAPA.  

Sorry I missed you in line!  It was hard to spot nametags, since most people
were wearing them under their jackets (including me!) so it was tough to see
them!

On other topics (now that I'm caught on the week's postings!);

Anaconda vs Loch Ness Monster:  I prefer LNM myself -- I don't like going
through the corkscrew slowly!  However, the Big Bad Wolf is my favorite ride at
BG.  At KD, the Grizzly is _great_ and I like going backwards on the Rebel
Yell.  In general, I prefer wooden to steel coasters.

Jersey Weekend next summer:  I'm certainly interested, although I don't
recommend going to GAdv on a summer weekend because of the crowds!

-- Cheri (reading rec.roller-coaster is certainly the best thing about coming
back to work!)
From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Lightning Loops (was Re: Flight Commander elaboration request)
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:41:41 GMT
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In fear of misquoting, SOMEONE said:

>I don't think so.  When SFGAd had an accident on Lightnin' Loops
>a few years back, the ride was closed for the rest of the season.

Not only the rest of the season, the rest of that ride's life
at SFGAd!!  Thans to Tierco, everyone who missed riding the 
lower half of Lightning Loops (the one which the accident happened 
on) will have a chance to ride this Arrow Shuttle loop out at 
Frontier City in OKC, OK in 1993.

The other half of Lightning Loops (the taller of the two) will
debut at Wild World in Largo, MD in 1993.
From: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Seaside Jet Star was (Re: Knoebels trades in JET STAR!  8^( )
Date: 21 Nov 1992 19:04:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, Tom_-_Obszanski@cup.portal.com () says:

>I'll join you in retching!  The Jet Star was a great little coaster,
>bested only by the Jet Star at Casino Pier, Seaside Heights, NJ!  I was
>really hoping that Dick would see the light and consider another small
>Schwarzkopf coaster to replace the Jet Star.
>
>BTW, I'll be heading out to Knoebels the weekend after Thanksgiving to
>do a bit of shopping there, since several of the shops will be open for
>the Christmas buying season.  I'll shed a tear...
>
>Tom
>
Man, I just realized I haven't rode the Jet Star at Seaside.  Funny since
I always go to Seaside Park for the summer.  I guess I just never wanted
to make the 3 mile walk to get to it.  That and my parents weren't so
sure about its saftey.  But, since I have my own wheels now, I may have
to make a trip down to ride it.  What's the best way to ride it?

Seaside Park has a coaster now.  It's a portable single loop coaster.
have no clue as to who made it.  Never rode it, looked really weak for
$2.50 a ride.  I'd rather spend my money on that GREAT Log Flume. It
was like $2.50 for two rides.  The best park is, you are allowed to
turn around and sit backwards and ride it.  They don't let you
do this in the Amusement parks i've been to.  Makes a Log Flume a 
lot more fun. =)

Mike
From: cf170@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin R. Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Bat "deaths" (was Re: Top Gun at King's Island)
Date: 17 Nov 1992 23:16:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cf170@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin R. Russell)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell) says:

>
>	Was The BAT designed to swing in 4 directions?  I was told that it
>was supossed to.  It also seems that flat turns would be about the dumbest
>things to put on a ride.  It would cause so much strain on the ride that
>no engineer would design a coaster like that.  
>
>	Also....what is the COMPLETE REAL STORY.  I'm still kinda clueless.
>
>Mike
>

1. No the 

bat did not swing in 4 directions.  The cars ended up  being similar
to the later suspendeds. (after numerous small changes)
2. Flat turns are kind of a bad idea, but I heard that the idea was
that the swing would account for the banking.  Apparently it did not.
-- 
Kevin				
"Friends don't let friends ride E.T."
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Paramount tames THE BEAST
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:10:53 GMT

Joe Butler writes:

>FINALLY!!!!! Now I can ride the Beast without gutting my large frame body.
>Sorry Buck, I thought this change should have been done when they did the
>Racer 2 years ago.  Makes it much easier for larger people to enjoy the ride.

Don't get me wrong.  I agree that the traditional PTC single lap bar
design does prohibit People of Size from riding in their coaches, esp.
those PTC coaches with the high seat dividers (ala Yankee Cannonball).
My personal angle?  Make an ajustable lap bar that WORKS!!  The
current offering by PTC plainly sucks!  It's curved design pinches
your legs (fackin OUCH!), and they either are so loose they fall all 
the way down, and continue to do so with the positive g forces incured 
during the ride, or those few that actually have spring mechanisms that 
work (eg, stay up by themselves) are only shoved into your gut by 
freakazoid ride attendants, which makes for a VERY UNCOMFORTABLE ride!

From the angle of RIDING the coaster, these lap bars totally
negate what is referred to as the "traditional riding experience".
They're just fine, I guess, if you prefer the "90s" ride 
experience (eg, no body movement whatsoever).

Now, if they could make one that was adjustable to different
body sizes, AND were installed in parks where the employees were
well-adjusted enough to allow rides to have a say WHERE they wanted 
the lap bar left in relationship to their body, then I guess I 
wouldn't have a problem with them.


Buck, who would personally rather ride lap-bar less, but that's
another story...
From: pab@po.CWRU.Edu (Pete Babic)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Cedar Point ->New for 93???
Date: 17 Nov 1992 17:32:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: pab@po.CWRU.Edu (Pete Babic)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, ah157@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rob Henry) says:

>
>
>What new ride is cedar point getting this year??

They are getting an over-the-falls type ride from Arrow Dynamics that I
beleive will be called Snake River Falls. It will be located in Frontier
Town behind the Town Hall and next to the Mine Ride.

>I know they will be getting one since last year they saved $$$ by spending 3 
>million to fix the place up.

Actually they spent about 8 million last year on improvements (a lot went to
the resort part of CP) and they are spending a similar amount this year.



-- 
Pete Babic  -  pab@po.cwru.edu          ///
LIVE TO PARTY, SKI TO DIE!!!           ///  /\
Member of ACE                    \\\  ///  /--\MIGA  
(American Coaster Enthusiasts)    \\\/// MS-DOS or a Mac? What's that?
From: pab@po.CWRU.Edu (Pete Babic)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Top Gun at King's Island
Date: 16 Nov 1992 16:00:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: pab@po.CWRU.Edu (Pete Babic)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke) says:

>KI had a ride like this called the Bat about 8-10 years ago, but they had
>a lot of troubles with it.  The cars kept falling off and people got
>killed often.  SO, Needless to say, they took it out.  Does anyone
>remember it??

Urban Legend time again. Yes, the Bat was removed but the cars didn't fall off
and no one was killed on the coaster.

-- 
Pete Babic  -  pab@po.cwru.edu          ///
LIVE TO PARTY, SKI TO DIE!!!           ///  /\
Member of ACE                    \\\  ///  /--\MIGA  
(American Coaster Enthusiasts)    \\\/// MS-DOS or a Mac? What's that?
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: New coaster at Busch Gardens, Tampa
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:25:17 GMT

Scott Gerken asks:

>Do all B&M coasters first drop curve to the left?  I ask this because
>both of the B&M coasters at Paramount Great America (PGA) do.

Not all of them.

The Intamin Stand-up coaster (formerly Shockwave at SFGAd, now going
to be Batman--the Ride at Astroworld) was designed by Bollinger and
Mabillard, swoop drops off to the right, as does the "Vortex" B&M
stand-up coaster at Carowinds in Charlotte, NC.


The remaining B&M rides:

Batman--the Ride - SFGAm; Gurnee, IL
Iron Wolf - SFGAm; Gurnee, IL
Vortex - Paramount's GAm; Santa Clara, CA

(and to be built)

Top Gun - Paramount's GAm; Santa Clara, CA
Batman--the Ride - SFGAd; Jackson, NJ


...all swoop drop to the left.


Cheers,
Buck
From: pab@po.CWRU.Edu (Pete Babic)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: New to this group
Date: 19 Nov 1992 05:00:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: pab@po.CWRU.Edu (Pete Babic)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, wperz@srg1.psych.pitt.edu (Walter Perz) says:

>Hi everyone!

>We had the following trip in the back of our minds:
>	Leave Thursday after work, travel to CP, ride till we drop and close 
>the park on Friday!  Saturday ride anything we wanted to a 2nd time and 
>travel to KI.
>	Spend Saturday evening at KI and Sunday, come back to Pittsburgh.
>
>It has been ~10 years since I've been to KI and ~7 years since I've been to 
>CP.  My honey has never been to either place.
>
>Would we be doing ourselves justice by allowing this little time, or are 
>these parks "do-able" in the time period I stated?

I would give yourself two days at each park. If you go in very early May CP
would not be very crowded on Friday. Figure about a 15-20 min. wait for
Magnum and Mean Streak about 5-10 min. for everything else. Expect much
longer waits on Saturday. If you can't go 'till June I would wait until the
end of June since CP is open 'till midnight on Fri. and Sat. I've only gone
to KI on the weekends but I imagine the weekday crowds early in the season are
comparable to CP's. If you can swing the time off I would drive to CP Thursday
after work, go to CP Fri. and Sat., drive to KI Sat. night, go to KI Sun. and
Mon. and drive home Mon. night.

-- 
Pete Babic  -  pab@po.cwru.edu          ///
LIVE TO PARTY, SKI TO DIE!!!           ///  /\
Member of ACE                    \\\  ///  /--\MIGA  
(American Coaster Enthusiasts)    \\\/// MS-DOS or a Mac? What's that?
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 15:51:10 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Subject: Re: Physics and coasters
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Keywords: 

RiViT@cup.portal.com (Russell Michael VanTassell) writes:
|One thing you might want to look into (maybe just for a curiosity,
|if nothing else).
|
|A company called BanDai puts on a product called SpaceWarp -- a basic
|model of a coaster using marbles and plastic, flexible track.  The
|coefficient of friction between the steel balls and plastic track seem
|to be pretty low, so the rise/fall ratio isn't in perfect perspective
|however.
|
|The company produces <several> different scales of kits as well as
|spare parts.  All in all, it is pretty cool and relatively
|educational.

For those interested, you can find one of these goodies in the 
J.C. Penney Christmas catalog -- page 422, item A.

I don't have it (yet ;^) ), but it is on my Christmas list.

Geoff ``Trying to be a good boy'' Allen

-- 
Geoff Allen          \  [If it weren't for kids,] we'd all live in a
uunet!pmafire!geoff   \  quiet house, without Big Bird or Mickey Mouse,
geoff@pmafire.inel.gov \  or Kool-Aid on the couch.  Thank God for kids.
                        \             -- The Oak Ridge Boys
From: Tom_-_Obszanski@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Knoebels trades in JET STAR!  8^(
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 08:22:47 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>It's just been announced that the Schwarzkopf JET STAR
>steel coaster is currently being dismantled from
>Knoebels Amusement Resort!!  Appartenly, Dick Knoebel
>has used the ride as a "Trade in" with Vekoma.
>
>Knoebels will debut the Vekoma WHIRLWIND (std corkscrew
>model steel coaster) in place of the JET STAR in 1993!
>The WHIRLWIND was sold back to Vekoma from Rye Playland
>to make room for a new attraction at that park.
>
>Funny, Dick Knoebel mentioned being  interested in that
>stupid Vekoma corkscrew over a year ago, and many
>coaster enthusiasts told him it would be a bad investment,
>since the ride is SUCH a dog!!  For $2 million, an SDC
>WINDSTORM coaster was suggested as an alternative.  I guess
>the price tag is what sold Dick on the WHIRLWIND.
>
>
>8^(
>
>Excuse me while I retch...
>
>
>B.

Buck,

I'll join you in retching!  The Jet Star was a great little coaster,
bested only by the Jet Star at Casino Pier, Seaside Heights, NJ!  I was
really hoping that Dick would see the light and consider another small
Schwarzkopf coaster to replace the Jet Star.

BTW, I'll be heading out to Knoebels the weekend after Thanksgiving to
do a bit of shopping there, since several of the shops will be open for
the Christmas buying season.  I'll shed a tear...

Tom
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Wooden Rollercoasters
Date: 23 Nov 92 00:21:52 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park

In article <1992Nov18.024135.9538@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) writes:

>The King Cobra was removed in order to make room for the Anacondia.
>The Anacondia is a HUGE improvement over the KG.  It's a lot like the
>immortal Loch Ness Monster at Busch Gardens, but in my opinion is no
>nearly as fun as the Grizzley.

Lots of folks have commented on this thread already, but I wanted to add
one niggling detail--the King Cobra was *not* removed in order to make room
the Anaconda.  The last time I was at KD was June '87 and the KC was already
gone.  I believe that was the same year the Shockwave opened.  A year or two
later saw the opening of the Avalanche Bobsled, and then finally the Anaconda.

As I said, I haven't been to KD since '87 (and I live a mere 2 hours away!)
but I do feel that the Loch Ness Monster is one of the most boring rides
around; I'd much rather go on the Big Bad Wolf, and I'd somewhat rather go
on Drachen Fire.  The biggest advantage I see to the LNM is that the lines 
for it are much shorter than for the other two coasters, making it easy to 
rack up lots of rides.

I'm looking forward to the spring when I'll be able to hit KD finally.  And
I can't wait to head over to Wild World and see what the new-and-improved
Wild One is like; I think I rode it way back in '88.

Jeff

-- 
|Jeffrey C. Burka                | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true  |
|                                |  Time for you to / Be who you are."      |
|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu            |                         --Happy Rhodes   |
From: cf170@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin R. Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Top Gun at King's Island
Date: 17 Nov 1992 23:21:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cf170@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin R. Russell)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie) says:

>    As far as a ride on the Bat goes, it was a very circular coaster.  I
>don't remember very many good drops.  It mostly relied on the swinging
>action to create excitement.  It had two lifts of around 90 to 100 feet. 
>It was a very exciting ride.  I think the Big Bad Wolf is a little better
>because of the final drop and the way the village is.  I haven't ridden
>the Vortex at Canada's Wonderland, but the Bat would be my #2 Arrow
>suspend coaster.  It was built where the Vortex at KI stands now. 
>There is a nice story and picture of the Bat in one of the early (I think
>Volume 2 Issue 2) issues of Coaster World.  The coaster ran for 2 years I
>think before it was torn down.  I happened to ride it both years.  I am
>glad they worked out the bugs in suspend coasters.  That's all I have to
>say about this right now.
>
Bill,.
Have you ever ridden the Ninja at Magic Mountain?  I never had the pleasure(?)
of riding the Bat, but what I have heard from people who have is that
it was not one of the worlds greatest expeences.
-- 
Kevin				
"Friends don't let friends ride E.T."
From: ah157@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rob Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Cedar Point ->New for 93???
Date: 17 Nov 1992 04:01:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah157@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rob Henry)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu



What new ride is cedar point getting this year??
I know they will be getting one since last year they saved $$$ by spending 3 
million to fix the place up.
Please leave mail.
Rob
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Subject: Re: Coaster spotted in GTE ad
Originator: wjf@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
 <1992Nov16.125543.7022@ccd.harris.com>
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Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:34:28 GMT


In article <1992Nov16.192758.8017@usl.edu>, rhb@ucs.usl.edu
 (Bird Rendell H.) writes:
|> >Sharon Crichton sez:
|> >now which coaster appears in the new pain reliever ad?
|> >
|> >The coaster is not a racing coaster, and it's an unpainted woodie (i.e.
|> >it's natural wood colored/stained). My first guess was Mean Streak, but
|> >the shots are so short that I couldn't confirm it.
|> 
|> My first guess was the Texas Giant...but Sharon is quite correct, viewers
|> don't get much of a look-see before the commercial is over. This one
|> is going to be TOUGH.
|> 
|> I will keep my eyes peeled for this commercial again!
|> 
|> 
|> Rendell

Rendell,
    I didn't see the commercial in the first half of the Monday Night
Football game last night but when I went to sleep I had the VCR going. 
Hopefully I have caught it.  I did catch about 75% of it the previous week. 
I missed the chain lift stuff.  As I have said before, I am almost positive
it is the Psyclone.  Look at the track layout.  It looks to me like a
Cyclone clone.  Look at the cars.  They are definitely the B&M cars on the
Psyclone.  Think about where Hollywood likes to film commercials and stuff
and it almost has to be the Psyclone.

    Talk about a rough one.  Try and identify the coaster in the movie "The
Day The Earth Stood Still".  There is only about a 2 second shot of a
coaster train stuck on a lift hill.  Will we ever know.

Bill "I have already gotten feedback on my Coasters In Movies list" Figie