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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:21:55 -0400
From:         Eric James Ewanco <ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM>
Subject:      Re: Altar girls and millstones

Excerpts from catholic: 9-Oct-92 Re: Altar girls and millstones David
Jansing@ORION.SPD. (4859)

> Your weak arguments are made even weaker by your insistance of this
> paragraph.  If you wish to follow the Old Testament God, the God of
> punishment and anger, then do so in your own space and time.  Don't
> inflict it on me or the Church.  We are Catholics and Christians.  This
> means we follow the message of Christ!  This is a message of Love and
> Forgiveness, not of punishments for "direct defiances" and "disobeying."
>  And if you are so up on Church Law, let me ask you this:  Can women be
> appointed as Extraordinary Ministers of the Eucharist?

By the way, if you think the message of Christ is not one of punishment
for the disobedient and defiant, you obviously haven't read the Gospels
very closely.

"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder,
and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' But I tell you that
anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment.
Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the
Sanhedrin.  But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the
fire of hell."  (Matthew 5:22)

"If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away.
It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole
body to be thrown into hell.  And if your right hand causes you to sin,
cut it off and throw it away.  It is better for you to lose one part of
your body than for your whole body to go into hell."  (Matthew 5:29)

"Do not suppose that i have come to bring peace to the earth.  I did not
come to bring peace, but a sword.  For I have come to turn `a man
against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law
against her mother-in-law-- a man's enemies will be the members of his
own household.'" (Matthew 10:35)

"Woe to you, Korazin!  Woe to you, Bethsaida! If the miracles that were
performed in you had been performed in Type and Sidon, they would have
repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.  But I tell you, it will be
more bearable for Type and Sidon on that day of judgment than for you.
And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted up to the skies?  No, you will go
down to the depths.  If the miracles that were performed in you had been
performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day.  But I tell you
that it will be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgment than for
you." (Matthew 11:21)

"As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the
end of the age.  The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will
weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.
They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping
and gnashing of teeth."  (Matthew 13:40)

"Then he will say to those on his left, `Depart from me, you who are
cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his hangels.
For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you
gave me nothing to drinik, I was a stranger and you did not invite me
in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison
and you did not look after me.' . . .  Then they will go away to eternal
punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."  (Matthew 25:46)

These are just a few examples.  Revelation, too, contains some rather
nasty stuff concerning judgment.

Remember that Jesus _is_ the God of the Old Testament.

Eric
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