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From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Haji's test [sci-poster]
Date: 7 Jan 1993 02:12:40 GMT
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In article <lkmsrjINN9ik@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Haji Firoz) writes:
>
>I want to know about this sci-poster@handel.sun.com

i just posted a small writeup on it...  but, as someone who
posts semi-anonymously and has access to sci, why would you 
want to use sci-poster?!  

>and how it works.

e-mail arrives at one of the aliases.  each one invokes the
sci-poster with appropriate parameters.  the script filters
some stuff, adds some stuff, builds a msg and calls inews
to post the article.  simple stuff even a persian cat could do...

the sci-mailer is a bit more complicated, but not really.

>Haji Frioz

meow.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Haji Firoz)
Subject: Re: Re; Haji's KABOB KOBIDE [sci-anon-poster]
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 00:34:13 GMT

>>>>>> Anonymous writes:
: 
: 
: >
: >	[ appetite-sharpening article deleted ]
: >
: Subject: Haji's KABOB KOBIDE
: 
: salAm hAj AghA:
: 
: I have three suggestions for your recipe. I hope that you don't mind.
: 
: 1) It is better to massage the beef the night before making kabAb.
:   "goosht rA az yek rooz peesh varz bedaheed va dar yakh-chAl negahdAreed"
:   "tA jA bioftad."
: 
: 2) One other thing that will come in handy while "shomA dAreed kabAb rA
:    be sikh meekesheed", is a small bowl of water, so that you can wet 
:    your hand before each "sikh kesheedan". This prevents the beef from
:    sticking to your fingers rather than to the skewer.
: 
: 3) To those people who like their kabAb to be "AbdAr", you can recommend
:    using charcoal grill instead of gas grill.
: 
: >I hope I made your day. Let me know of the out come.
: 
: You certainly did hAji joon.
: 
: ShahrAm
: 
Slam Shahram Aziz:

No I do not mind and I am very happy that you added the following. I forgot to
add some other steps but thank you for the information. Haji is open minded and
this is fun. 

Have nice day.

Haji the kabob lover.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Iran, Azerbaijan Sign Barter Deal To Swap Oil For Gas
Followup-To: poster
Originator: sehari@bart.ecss.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:59:20 GMT

12/30 (DJ) Iran, Azerbaijan Sign Barter Deal To Swap Oil For Gas

    NICOSIA, Cyprus -DJ- Iran and Azerbaijan signed a barter deal to
exchange Azerbaijani oil for 250 million cubic meters of Iranian natural
gas a year, Iran's Islamic Republic News Agency reported.
    The agency, monitored in Nicosia, did not specify the volume of oil
products that Iran would import.
    Once implemented, the agreement would rank Iran as Azerbaijan's top
trading partner, the news agency said said.
    An Azerbaijan spokesman also said that his country was unwilling to
negotiate with Armenia over Nagorno-Karabakh, which he called an
''inseparable part of Azerbaijan.''
    The mostly Armenian-populated enclave inside Muslim Azerbaijan has
been the object of an undeclared 5-year-old war between Armenia and
Azerbaijan, in which 2,500 people have been killed.
    Fighting between the two former Soviet Republics flared again Monday
with artillery and armored battles, and casualties on both sides.
     8:17 AM
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From: >>>>>> Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re; Haji's KABOB KOBIDE [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 12 Jan 1993 04:37:41 GMT
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afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Haji Firoz) writes:
>
>	[ appetite-sharpening article deleted ]
>
Subject: Haji's KABOB KOBIDE

salAm hAj AghA:

I have three suggestions for your recipe. I hope that you don't mind.

1) It is better to massage the beef the night before making kabAb.
  "goosht rA az yek rooz peesh varz bedaheed va dar yakh-chAl negahdAreed"
  "tA jA bioftad."

2) One other thing that will come in handy while "shomA dAreed kabAb rA
   be sikh meekesheed", is a small bowl of water, so that you can wet 
   your hand before each "sikh kesheedan". This prevents the beef from
   sticking to your fingers rather than to the skewer.

3) To those people who like their kabAb to be "AbdAr", you can recommend
   using charcoal grill instead of gas grill.

>I hope I made your day. Let me know of the out come.

You certainly did hAji joon.

>
>                                   .       .         |                       
>                                     q  _,_9      _7 |_7                 
>                                   / / / :     (_S.                       
   

ShahrAm





 
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From: Babak Sehari
Subject: IRAN FOREIGN MINISTER TO TOUR EUROPE 
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:39:11 GMT

---

 IRAN FOREIGN MINISTER TO TOUR EUROPE 
    NICOSIA, Jan 6, Reuter - Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Velayati will
visit Albania and three other European countries in a 10-day tour starting on
Thursday, the Iranian news agency IRNA said on Wednesday. 
    Velayati will make official visits to Albania and Poland and travel to
France to attend a conference on chemical disarmament. He will also go to
Austria to take part in a gathering of Iranian diplomats in Europe, IRNA said. 
 REUTER MZ DJG 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: Babak Sehari
Subject: BUSH MUM ON POSSIBLE QUESTIONING BY PROSECUTOR 
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:03:22 GMT

----

 BUSH MUM ON POSSIBLE QUESTIONING BY PROSECUTOR 
    By Sue Kirchhoff 
    HOUSTON, Dec 27, Reuter - President George Bush refused to say on Sunday if
he would submit to questioning by Iran-Contra prosecutor Lawrence Walsh
although one published report said Walsh would seek such a session next month. 
    Walsh said in an interview with the Washington Post published on Sunday
that he had not decided what to do about what he characterised as the
president's ``misconduct'' in allegedly failing to promptly disclose notes
about the scandal. 
    The newspaper also cited informed sources as saying Walsh would seek to
question Bush next month after Walsh had reviewed typewritten transcripts of
Bush's daily reflections that Bush began recording in November 1986 when he was
vice-president. 
    Walsh has said it was not until December 11 that his office was informed of
the existence of the materials. 
    Arriving in Houston as part of a brief vacation trip to Texas, the
president declined to answer questions about whether he would agree to be
questioned by Walsh and if he had withheld documents from the special
prosecutor. 
    Walsh spokeswoman Mary Belcher declined to comment on Sunday's newspaper
report or any communications between the White House and her office. 
    Bush on Thursday pardoned former Defence Secretary Caspar Weinberger, who
faced charges of giving misleading testimony to Congress, and five other former
federal officials convicted or indicted in the Iran-Contra scandal. 
    The scandal involved secret weapons sales to Iran during the era of
President Ronald Reagan to gain release of U.S. hostages held in Lebanon.
Profits were used to aid Nicaraguan rebels although Congress banned such aid in
1984. 
    Belcher denied Walsh had launched efforts to secure Bush's notes in
retaliation for the pardons which the special prosecutor had criticised
sharply. 
    ``This is not in response to the pardons. It is not a retaliatory act,''
Belcher told Reuters. ``It is simply another matter we are looking at.'' 
    Belcher said the notes were ``of a contemporaneous and highly relevant
nature'' and had thus far been withheld from the special prosecutor. 
    ``We want to know why they were withheld and we want them turned over in
their entirety,'' she said declining to give any details on what means Walsh
was using to obtain the notes. 
    The White House has said it will turn over the transcripts. 
 REUTER SK TB JWO 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: More Iraqi Planes Cross 'No-Fly' Zone
Followup-To: poster
Originator: sehari@bart.ecss.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:56:47 GMT

12/29 (DJ) More Iraqi Planes Cross 'No-Fly' Zone

    MANAMA, Bahrain -AP- U.S. fighter planes intercepted Iraqi warplanes
that violated a flight ban over southern Iraq a day after American
airmen shot down an Iraqi MiG-25, a U.S. military spokesman said today.
    The planes penetrated the ''no-fly zone'' Monday but turned back
after being intercepted, and no weapons were fired, said Lt. Col. Howard
Carter, a U.S. military spokesman in Saudi Arabia.
    Although Iraq has vowed to retaliate for the downing of its warplane
Sunday, Iraq's U.N. ambassador says his government wants to avoid a
military confrontation.
    The aircraft carrier USS Kitty Hawk, with its 70 combat jets, was
headed toward the Persian Gulf today from the Somali coast.
    U.S. officials say that a pattern of violations of the flight ban
zone, which was imposed by Washington and its allies in August to
protect Shiite rebels, has emerged.
    Iraqi MiGs have been darting below the 32nd parallel, the northern
edge of the zone, in what some officials described as an attempt to test
the U.S.-led allies patrolling the skies.
    Iraq's U.N. ambassador, Nizar Hamdoon, denied that was the case.
    Yesterday, Iraqi warplanes flew up to 20 miles south of the 32nd
parallel, about the same penetration depth as Sunday's Iraqi incursions.
    Carter did not say how many Iraqi planes were involved, but reported
that they veered away when U.S. interceptors approached.
    Arab diplomats say the Iraqi Air Force, decimated in last year's
Gulf War, is not capable of engaging allied air power in an significant
measure.
    The Iraqis are believed to have about 150 operational aircraft, less
than one-quarter of the pre-war strength of 700.
     3:49 PM
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Please, keep in mind that this news, like any other news, might not
be the whole truth.  It is just reported by news gathering agencies,
which have privilege of transmitting news on the news wires.  So what
follows, might or might not be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing
but the truth.  Then again, it might be.  Here, I do not claim either.
I just would like to share with you, the articles that has been collected
on the news wires.

Make your own judgment regarding it's truth or falsehood.  If you believe
that a story does not make sense to you, please share your concerns with
others in the net, by posting them.

Thank you, for your informed readings.

                    With highest regards,
                         Babak   Sehari.
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From: majidi@yoko.rutgers.edu (Masoud Majidi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: American travel to Iran
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:21:41 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

rorem@lclark.edu (Eric Rorem) writes:

>	I might just be in Turkey this summer and I would love to visit Iran 
>and possibly visit Mashad (please forgive my spelling).  My question is what 
>kind of problems could I expect to encounter from Government agencies and 
>what not?  I don't speak the language and I might be traveling alone.  I'm 
>also of european decent if that matters.  Is this a good idea in anyones 
>opinion?  Reply via e-mail or follow up posting.

I remember a few years ago my sister-in-law (she is german) wanted to
go to Iran so she went to D.C. to obtain a visa. But she was told that
the process of getting visa would take at least 6 months which of course
changed her mind about going there. But this was 4-5 years ago and things
might have changed since then. But once you get the visa you won't have to
deal with any government agencies. i.e. you can go directly to the airport.
(Last year I went to Iran after 7-8 years and I made sure that I had
all my papers ready before going there since I didn't want the hassle of
having to spend my time in government agencies over there. My effort paid
off and i had no problem whatsoever getting out of the country. Of course
I am Iranian but I don't see why you would have any problem once you
obtain visa from here).

BTW, while in Iran I met a few non-Iranians some of whom were even
working there so I don't think your nationality would cause any problem.

I hope this helps,

Regards,

Masoud Majidi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (othman (EEE/Div 4))
Subject: Re: Question about rape
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:56:42 GMT

Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami (martillo@nero.clearpoint.com) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan11.102422.16403@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> ahmed@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ahmed El-Habbash) writes:
: >In <ll0vppINNq63@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:
: >Heres a more important question (for
: >>all): do you really think these methods of punishment that the
: >>fundamentalist interpretation of islam prescribes (cuting of hands,
: >>whiping, stoning, etc) are really effective?
: 
: >It is not a matter of thinking that they are effective or not effective.
: >Just compare the rate of crime in any country where you think that the
: >law is effective with a country where you think that they apply the
: >Islamic law as interpreted by fundamentalists, then tell us what you
: >think.
: 
: I grew up in a town which was a mafia hide-away.  There was no crime
                                                                 ^^^^^
Unless you think that drug trafficking, murder are not crimes!

: in that town, but that did not make the people who ran the town any
: less criminal nor did it make their methods any less reprehensible.

Just now you said there are no crimes and yet now you call the people who
ran the town criminals.

: 
: Islam is just another mafia but in fact because Islam unlike the Mafia
: systematically spreads abuse of women and non-Muslims, Islam is not

Unless you think FREE PROSTITUTION is a form of respect for women. Parading them
naked is also to respect women. If not completely naked, how about a little bit
more flesh. 

: merely a criminal organization but rather represents a major crime
: against humanity as Modern Civilized Westerners conceptualize
: international law.

I wonder which one really is? Surely it is not from someone who have no sense
of reason at all like mafia not committing any crime at all, and yet are 
still called criminals.


--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

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From: ahmed@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ahmed El-Habbash)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Question about rape
Date: 10 Jan 93 14:45:04 GMT
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin

In <babak.726633776@cpre1.ee.iastate.edu> Babak Sehari writes:

>----
>The punishment is different for different situations:

>1. If He is married, the punishment is death.

>2. If He is unmarried, the punishment is 80 whip.

>3. If He is insane, the punishment is much easier. Probably, he would be
>   committed to a mental hospital.


The answer is not relevant to the original (hypothetical and sarcastic)
question, and it is incorrect.

First: Rape is not treated like adultary. Rape would lead to capital
punishment, It is a form of "Harabah".

Second: Even for adultary that you may be referring to , 
the punishment mentioned in (2) of 80 stripes is not correct. It is 100
stripes.

Third, I don't like to give answers to this type of questions, and I
hate reading wrong (not based on real knowledge), and irrelevant answers.

Ahmed.

>                    With highest regards,
>                         Babak   Sehari.
-- 
Ahmed I. El-Habbash, 
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.
Tel: office: +353-1-7021524,  Home: +353-1-937402.
	
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From: >>>>>> Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re; Persian Words From ShAh-NAmeh [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 9 Jan 1993 22:05:23 GMT
Organization: Notgheh MajjAni, Inc.
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bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi) writes:

>	[ part of the article deleted ]

>first of all, what is wrong with saying that one subject is better than
>the other? secondly, what does this have to do with not respecting
>each other's opinion?

	Saying that one subject is better than the other is not an 
	implication of one's disrespect to someone else's opinion, but
	the way you express your opinion may imply that. Besides, my 
	point, which you missed, was that arguing about productivity
	of different subjects is a waste of time, since it may take
	all involved parties months to discuss this issue without any
	of them been convinced by another one at the end.

>you see, a myth is a traditional story containing ideas or beliefs
>about the ancient times and it can have some historical evidence,
>which has been argued by our historians, and it was those historical
>aspects of shahnameh that i was reffering to, when i mentioned lies
>and deceptions.

	You just paraphrased what you had said in your original article and
	my reply is the same as before. Plus, shAh-nAmeh is a collection of
	ancient stories. It has historical characters, names, shAhs and so on.
	Therefore, if someone talks about the meaning of a word, any word, in 
	that book, then you will have enough grounds to attack it, excuse me,
	disagree with it.

>i did not say all monsters were created by books, do you see the
>difference?

	Yes, I do. My point, that you missed again, was that if some king
	is monstrous, you can not blame it on shAh-nAmeh. How do you know
	that shAh-nAmeh was the reason? Did shAhs come to you for therapy?

>you see shahram, that's were you're wrong; if people knew about
>"akhoonds" and mullahs, we wouldn't be in our current situation.

	No, I am not wrong, because I am talking about people today, 
	AFTER 1979.
	
>behzad

ShahrAm


 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mehdizadeh@asl.slb.com
Subject: The Persain calender year
Reply-To: mehdizadeh@asl.slb.com
Organization: Schlumberger/Anadrill Sugar Land, TX
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 21:47:04 GMT

Salam Dostan:

I was wondering if any one out their knows what the Persian Calender is
based upon?  In other words what happened 1372 years ago?

regards

Mehdizadeh@asl.sinet.slb.com
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From: minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Question about rape
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:49:41 EST
Distribution: world
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In article <ll0vppINNq63@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:
> on punishment for rape in islam babak writes:
> 
>>>2. If He is unmarried, the punishment is 80 whip.
> 
> ahmed@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ahmed El-Habbash) corrects him:
> 
>>Second: Even for adultary that you may be referring to , 
>>the punishment mentioned in (2) of 80 stripes is not correct. 
>>It is 100 stripes.
> 
> 80 times, 100 times... who cares!  heres a more important question (for
> all): do you really think these methods of punishment that the
> fundamentalist interpretation of islam prescribes (cuting of hands,
> whiping, stoning, etc) are really effective?
> 
> ps im sure that the MAME people agree that its 100, not 80 whips.
> 
> (MAME: Masochist American Moslems Enterprise)


much as i hate the government of saudia arabia, i must admit that it is very
effective in controlling crime (i know about the hypocrisy of those with money,
etc.) there is no question that islamic punishments, if proscribed fairly*, and
consistently, will deter crime. there is very little alcoholism in saudia
arabia, very little theft, murder, people can walk in the streets at night
without being mugged (this is first hand experience talking). the deterrent
helps a great deal in  preventing the punishments from happening in the first 
place. i know though that SA is a far cry from being an islamic society though.
i am just dealing with the subject of hudood.

i might add that many people see an islamic society as a place where hands are
cut off for stealing, and people are whipped in public. a true islamic society
has to deal with the social ills which cause crime first before going to the
punishments which are used as a cap to cover the bottle of other solutions.


....
to be continued


zafar 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: hatamian@gandalf.rutgers.edu (ShAhin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: HELP! Need To Send Urgent Letter To Tehran
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:51:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I have an important letter which I must get to my parents by the end
of this week. Please if anyone is going, let me know. BTW, I livein New Jersey.

Thanks,

ShAhin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: nsohrabi@athena.mit.edu (Naghmeh Sohrabi)
Subject: Re: A few pure Persian words from Shah-Nama
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:20:10 GMT

>Thank you for your point Zafar.  Nasib is probably Arabic, I think you
>are right on that.  It is in the same waight as "Faiel", therefore it is
>Arabic.
>
>However, Naghmeh should be pure Persian.  It is a noun and in many poems
>you might encounter with this word.  Also many Iranian girls have this name.  


Dear Zamie,

Naghmeh is an Arabic word. 
As for many "Iranian girls" having this name, well, many Iranian boys are
named Asghar...is that "Pure Persian" too?

naghmeh
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