From: agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Honest Question For Any LDS
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:52:27 GMT
Reply-To: agr00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <16774@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>In article <51bc025P24NJ01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> agr00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (TONY ROSE) writes:
>>Could an LDS please explain a question that I have had concerning the
>>Scriptures you accept?  My question is this:
>>
>>In the Doctrine and Coventents, Section 135 Verse 3, I read that the
>>Book Of Mormon "contains the fullness of the everlasting gospel".  This is
>>also stated in Section 27:5 and a few other places throughout the D&C.
>>
>>The definition for "fullness", according to Webster, is: "complete".
>>The definition for "everlasting", according to Webster, is: "Eternity;
>>lasting through all time".
>>
>No one can answer for everyone, but I think most Mormons would probably
>say that the BoM contains all the gospel necessary for salvation.

Your church tells me that I MUST be married "sealed" in a Mormon Temple to
be with God in Eternity (Celestial Kingdom).  Also, tithing, Word of
Wisdom, Baptism for the Dead, and other things are important to get there.
Can you support these things in the Book of Mormon?

>>So for something to contain "the fullness of the everlasting gospel", it
>>must be "complete" and "final for Eternity".  I don't have a problem with
>
>Any concept of completeness or final for Eternity is alien to
>the spirit of Mormonism, which is contextual and believes in
>eternal progress rather than static concepts such as "final" or
>"complete".

Then why do they use the word "everlasting"

God's Truth is final!  He doesn't play "revelation of the day" game!  See
Malachi 3:6!

>>that, but I can't find things in the Book Of Mormon that the LDS people
>>tell me are part of the Gospel.  Like:
>>
>>1. As man is God once was, as God is man may become.
>>2. Each individual has the potential to progress to become a god of their
>>   own world.
>>3. God has a body of flesh and bones.
>>4. God the father had a father who had a father, etc..
>>5. God the father is maried to our eternal mother and has millions of
>>   children.
>
>These doctrines came later than the Book of Mormon, most of
>them from the Nauvoo period, except for #3, which was quite early.

If they are included in the gospel, they should be in the book that
contains the fullness of the EVERLASTING gospel.

>>6. Jesus Christ was begotten by an immortal father in the same way that
>>   mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers.
>
>This is something Brigham Young said that most Mormons don't
>even know about.

Brigham said it true, so did Joseph Fielding Smith (DoS V1 p.18-19) and
Orson Pratt and several other authorities.  They were prophets!  Wonder
why Mormons don't know about this!

>>7. Jesus Christ blood is not sufficient for the forgiveness of all
>>   (certain) sins.
>
>This is something Brigham Young said that most Mormons neither
>know about nor believe.

I guess most Mormons don't read MORMON DOCTRINE do they?  That is funny,
the LDS bookstore near me seems to keep ordering stock on it!

>>8. Baptism for the dead.
>>
>This came probably around 1836 or so.  Of course, there is the
>Biblical reference in II Corinth.  

Why didn't you post the scripture from 1 Cor?  Or even give the specific
reference?  Could it be that you don want everyone to see just how bad
the LDS church took that verse out of contect?

>>I can't get there.  Which is correct? Is the Book Of Mormon truely the
>>fullness of the everlasting gospel?  Or are these other things not
>>part of the gospel and not necessary for me to reach the Celestial
>>Kingdom?
>>
>
>I would say that those who wish to be in the Celestial Kingdom
>need to learn to love as God loves.  That is the most important
>thing.  All of the other ordinances and requirements can be handled
>(and will be) if a person develops that sort of love.  While books can
>help show the way, which books make the difference may vary with the 
>individual.  Worrying too much about "going to the Celestial Kingdom" 
>and not enough about one's neighbor is counterproductive.  
>Both Mormons and Evangelicals spend too much time contemplating
>the hereafter and not enough helping out those in trouble here and
>now.  u!
>

Way to avoid the issue Gordon!
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc