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From: melz@well.sf.ca.us (Melvin L. Zwillenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Atari 8-Bit Sale
Date: 7 Sep 92 02:49:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link


Atari 8-Bit Stuff for sale:



1) Okimate 10 color/B&W printer with

"plug-n-play" interface for 8-bit

Atari, color and B&W ribbons,

screen dump software, $75.



2) Atari 1020 Printer/Plotter w/

pens and paper. $10. + shipping.



3)Pilot Programming Language

w/"Turtle" graphics, (Educators'

package), $15.



4)Conversational Italian (learn

Italian with your computer! - $10.



5) The Newsroom (desktop publishing

with your 8-bit Atari!), $10.



6) Timewise (Time management), $10.



7) Atari Invitation to Programming,

2 and 3, $5. each.



8) Atari Speed Reading, $10. plus shipping.



9) Atari 310 (300 Baud) Modem, $15.





10) "Kingdom" (Instructions and

game, cassette), $3.



11) "Biorhythms", (Instructions and

game, cassette), $3.



12) SOLD!



13) "Super-Text" word processor

(disk), $5.



14) SOLD!





15) "ETMODEM" Communications

program, $5.



If interested, please send list of

items wanted and payment to:



Melvin Zwillenberg

475 Richmond Avenue

Maplewood, NJ 07040



(I will promptly refund any excess

for items which have already been

sold.



PLEASE ADD $5. FOR SHIPPING TO ALL ORDERS UNDER $35. I WILL PAY

SHIPPING ON ALL ORDERS OVER $35.









All these prices are negotiable. I am especially receptive to package

offeres that move a lot of items!



You may contact me by e-mail at:



CompuServe:  75746,3705

GEnie: MZWILLENBERG

MCI Mail: MZWILLENBERG

The WELL: melz

INTERNET: 75746.3705@compuserve.com



Telephone: (201)763-3295 after 6:30

east coast time. Leave message if

you get the answering
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 13:33:05 EDT
From: <AKH104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: What is 300 baud modems!!!!!

In article <1992Sep12.004307.3844@spcvxb.spc.edu>, 2pereira_f@spcvxb.spc.edu
says:
>
>Are their really still people out there using 300 baud modems!!
>Why?
>a 1200 bps modem cost under one hundered dollars
>a 2400 bps modem cost under two hundered dollars
>and a 9600 bps modem about 325 dollars
>
>ice age is over!
>300 bps are considered classics..
>so save them and they might be  worth something in the future!
>
>take care all!

Actually...1200 is under $45 and 2400 is under $80 and 14.4 v42bis
is under $250.
Andrew
From: jrd@STONY-BROOK.SCRC.SYMBOLICS.COM (John R. Dunning)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Falcon / binary postings to c.s.a.8
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:02:00 GMT


    Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 11:28 EDT
    From: BRACHOT.JCT.AC.IL!bruck@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Itay Chamie1)
[...]
    And now.. I didn't get any replies to this: Do you think binary postings
    to c.s.a.8 should have a subject header of "zzzz [progname]" to prevent 
    Digest readers from getting annoyed? Whaddaya say add it to the FAQ
    or sumthin'??

You're missing the point.  If you post binaries to the discussion group,
regardless of subject, they end up in the digest, and force digest
readers to either slog through lots of crud they don't want to see, or
cancel their subscriptions.  

Please don't post binaries to the discussion group.
From: bruck@BRACHOT.JCT.AC.IL (Itay Chamie1)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Omnicom sources??
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:29:53 GMT

Does anyone have the sources for Omnicom?? I wanna HACK the LIFE out of that 
80-column handler!!   :)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: The Binary Vote So Far.  
From: Dawn_Scotting@kcbbs.gen.nz (Dawn Scotting)
Date: 6 Sep 92 17:12:54 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

bd891@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Allwood) writes:   
>I don't understand why you want a binary posting section.  
>When I first became a member of Free Net I was crest fallen  
>to learn that I couldn't D/L files directly.  Then I found  
>BART which translated means  
  
Unfortunately not EVERYONE has access to EVERYTHING available on these  
here computers! And as for BART.....I gave up in the end! I had just too  
much trouble trying to get a reply from him/her/it and then when I did I  
would get the same message sent at least 3 times! Believe me I had the  
docs memorised in the end but it didn't help, so please don't tell me I  
did something wrong because I didn't *8-)  
   
 <--------------------------------------------->  
 < Kia Ora from Aotearoa. Pandora@kcbbs.gen.nz >  
 < Please DO NOT QUOTE more than 2 lines to me >  
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Adding a 2nd PIA
From: <AKH104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 13:29:01 EDT
Organization: Penn State University

nget
In article <15064@mindlink.bc.ca>, Tom_Klok@mindlink.bc.ca (Tom Klok) says:
>
>> AKH104@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>
>>   This is somewhat similiar to Bob Wooley's Parallel 1050 drive
>> upgrade....you can do alot with the second PIA in there... even perhaps...an
>> internal Hard Drive....
>
>I suppose SCSI/SASI could be done with a bunch of software, but it's kinda
>stretching things.  You'd certainly want to hook up the IRQ and burn a new OS.
>It would be a challenging hack... a MIO or BB makes a lot more sense if you
>just want to get a HD going.
>
>--
>Tom Klok                     MIND LINK! Support team member - Vancouver BC
>a344@mindlink.bc.ca          What, me hurry?  -- Alfred E. Von Neuman

Well..I know of someone (2 now maybe) who are working on hooking up
IDE drives.  Very simple...except that darn 16 bit bus...thats the problem.
From: Jim_Johnson@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Jim Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Falcon??
Distribution: world
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:03:41 EST
Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch

Please don't compare clock speeds between CPU types as an absolute
indicator of whether one is faster than another.  You also have to look at
what each CPU accomplishes during a clock cycle.  This is true even within
the Intel family. A 25MHz 80486 gets a lot more done in one clock cycle
than a 25MHz 80386SX, for example.  As I understand it, the Falcon runs
with a Motorola 68030.  You can't compare it to a 50MHz Intel chip only by
clock speed and say anything meaningful.

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995

Jim Johnson-
*** Remember, they're only tools - Not a way of life! ***
From: bruck@BRACHOT.JCT.AC.IL (Itay Chamie1)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: 300 baud..
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:23:41 GMT

I am using 300 baud.
I'm in Israel...    the land of the rich!! 
A 2400 baud external, MNP5 modem costs 280 DOLLARS here...
What am I, a money cow?? 
So I guess I got an excuse..
-Itay
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From: Tom_Klok@mindlink.bc.ca (Tom Klok)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Terminal Questions!
Date: 12 Sep 92 13:50:23 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> AKH104@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> 
>   Ok..Say I wished to design a "real" terminal program for the atari 8bit.

Someone should. :)

> 3) Are the screen control commands standard to the VT emulation
>  or are they ANSI commands...as in ...If I log on the the FREENET
>   using vt52..or 100...things are underlined...highlighted...spaced..
>   are these standard terminal commands or some protocol on top of
>  the standard vt100?

ANSI is much like VT100/102, but with some extra stuff added.  I don't have the
reference document, sorry.  Beware of working from MSDOS ANSI.SYS
documentation, as the typical PC ANSI is an incomplete implementation.

> 7) Now...who wants to write me a Kermit handler for 1000 byte blocks?

Doesn't that violate the Kermit standards?

> 8) Zmodem...now there would be something nice...any code laying around on
> other machines in C or Pascal or Fortran?  that stuff is real easy to
> convert.

C source for Zmodem is all over the place.  I can mail you a copy if you want.
However, keep in mind that streaming protocols like Zmodem are useless unless
you can interleave serial I/O and disk I/O.  A ramdisk is ok; otherwise you'll
need a bus serial port like a MIO, BB or the 6551 hack Rick is talking about.

Tom
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: thester@nyx.cs.du.edu (Uncle Fester)
Subject: InterNet to GEnie
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 04:33:51 GMT


	This is what happened when I tried to send email
	to myself at GEnie.  Obviously, the receiver
	has to pay as well.  What a rip off.


Return-Path: <GE-ADMIN@geis.com>
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
        of Denver.  The University has neither control over nor
        responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users.
Date: Sat,  5 Sep 92 23:56:00 EDT
To: thester@nyx.cs.du.edu
Subject: Testing

Original Msg Id: 21208
GE-ADMIN response to your message

    Subject: Testing
    System:  QUIK-COMM
    Date:    Sat  5-Sep-92 23:56

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Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.
Date: Monday, 14 Sep 1992 18:57:28 EST
From: Jeff McWilliams <JJMCWILL@MTUS5.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Adding a 2nd PIA
Distribution: world
 <92256.141056AKH104@psuvm.psu.edu>
 <1992Sep14.153405.12802@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>

Yeah, Dataque has the proposed 1600XLE or whatever.  It sounded okay,
it promised lots of new features, but apparantly noone was interested.

I'd rather build something on the Parallel bus, like a 8mHz 65816
processor with 68881 math co.  It would act as a parallel processor,
and could also run your floppy drives and  SCSI devices and stuff.
At least that way you don't have to junk your existing 8 bit,
you still use it.  If it breaks, unplug it and plug in a new one.

Jeff McWilliams
From: Rick_Michael_Cortese@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Help with 800xl
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 14:34:05 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

They's the two chips in the upper right hand corner. The 24 pin'r is the
basic ROM & the 28 pin'r is the OS.
From: moon!cyberden!phbill@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Old software
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 19:07:40 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Boerge Noest) writes:

> Zeppelin also made Zybex. (I have one or both for the C= 64, came on a tape
> on a magazine)

Damn... i was hoping these awesome games would be treats for Atari 
Classicer's only... oh well.  So...what's the difference between the C=64 
and 8-bit versions of these games? (by bro. has a c64 and some games on 
it are actually pretty rude, but of course it's the >8-bit< that has 256 
colors! muhahah)

PhBill: Bill Kendrick               |||  1200 Cyberden BBS (+1 415 472-5527)
Moon!Cyberden!PhBill@Well.SF.CA.US / | \ 2600 North of San Francisco California
From: Rick_Michael_Cortese@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Connecting an RS232 modem to an Atari?
Date: Tue,  8 Sep 92 11:13:02 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <65456@cup.portal.com>


All the programs in the ARC file except this and "RECIEVE.PRN" are
in 8-bit format so you may have to transfer them to your 8-bit
before you can read them properly.

How it works: For the most part, the joystick cable can not supply
enough horsepower to drive a standard RS-232 device.  What I did
was use the hand shaking lines of the device we connect to for
shaking their own hands/suppling their own drive current.  All the
MPP drivers/telecommunication programs use joystick(2) trigger for
determining if there's a carrier signal present.  We just tie this
line to ground so it thinks it's connected to another device.  To
use EXPRESS.MPP you just press 'G for answer phone or use 'E and
just dial a '1 to get to the terminal mode.  Once in the terminal
mode you have to use the Hayes command set to your modem to dial
(i.e. ATDT 555-1212).  For connecting to an ST or clone, you may
have to use 1/2 duplex on both ends & make sure you set the BAUD
to 300!

EXAMPLE #1

NULL MODEM FOR USE WITH EXPRESS.MPP OR HANDLERS JOYSTICK(2)

You absolutely have to use the circuitry to protect your 8-
bit.  RS-232 uses -5V to -15V and +5V to +15V for it's logic
levels.  The inputs are high resistance so it's OK to drive
them with the +5V of the Atari, but if you input a -10V on a
joystick port, there could be smoke & costly repairs.


   ______________________
   \ 1   2    3   4   5 /
    \  6    7   8   9  /
     \________________/

The colors should be as follows:

 COLOR      PIN #
 WHITE       1
 BLUE        2
 GREEN       3
 BROWN       4
 ORANGE      6
 BLACK       8

 Explodo view for connection to FEMALE
 DB-25

   ____
  :    \____
  :         \____
  :              \
  : 13           :
  :            25:
  :              :
  : 12           :
  :            24:
  :              :
  : 11           :
  :            23:
  :              :
  : 10           :
  :            22:
  :              :
  : 9            :
  :            21:
  :              :             ORANGE
  : 8+---+       :             & BLACK
  :      +----+20:               +
  :              :               :
  : 7+-----+---------------------+
  :        :  +19:  5.1V         :
  :       \_/    : ZENER        \_/
  : 6++  /---/   :            /-----/
  :   :    ++  18:               :
  :   :     :    :               :
  : 5++     :    :               :
  :   :     :  17:               :
  :   : 5.6K:    :               :
  : 4++\/\/\+    :               :
  :         :  16:               :
  :         :    :               :
  : 3+------+--------WHITE       :
  :            15:               :
  :              :   5.6K        :
  : 2+-------------+/\/\/\/+-----+--BLUE
  :            14:
  :              :
  : 1        ____:
  :     ____/
  :____/


satile set-up.  You could really make both types of cables
cheaper then you could buy a NULL connect
From: bruck@BRACHOT.JCT.AC.IL (Itay Chamie1)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Falcon graphics.
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:05:09 GMT


I just read that the Falcon has 640x480 at 256 colors (or more), at best..
Again. We are in 1992! PCs have the Super-VGA that gives 1024x760 (I KNOW,
I'm approximating.) with 256, or more colors (I don't know how much they got
up to) !!!!! 
Atari... WAKE UP!!
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Re: Falcon??
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:51:11 GMT

In article <9209091657.AA19949@brachot.jct.ac.il> bruck@BRACHOT.JCT.AC.IL (Itay Chamie1) writes:
>If Atari makes a 16-Mhz computer in 1992, then something is definately
>not computing!! Come on! We have 50-Mhz PCs around here.. and we will soon
>have 100-Mhz (in a while, not yet) !!!!! How does Atari expect anyone to
>buy a 16Mhz thing, when he can buy a 50-Mhz, or more, PC??
The Falcon is to be Atari's new LOW-END machine, replacing the 8-MHz STE.
The announced list price is comparable to a 16-MHz 386SX.
Atari already makes the TT which runs at 32 MHz, and don't forget: 16 MHz on
a 68030 is not the same as 16 MHz on a 386.

Bill Marcum  bmarcum@world.std.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Adding a 2nd PIA
From: <AKH104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 14:10:56 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Penn State University

 In regards to all the upgrades available for the 8bit..
Transkey...stereo...multiple PIA's printer and serial ports..memmory..
Um...how difficult would it be to draw up the prints for a new 8bit?
First of al you already have them for the xl/xe/800 line....
and adding a few chips is not problem...there are even circuit design
programs out there that will do the tracing for you..now..
how about a limeted production of these new silked boards?  Say
small enough to fit in a baby at?  I have everything in there right now
except my mio..which is undergoing repairs.

  While we are at it...since SOME PEOPLE do have the 1450 prints...
um..why not a parallel drive?
  First of all, all the chips are atari's..still can get 'em.  The only
problem would be the 1450 drive os and its speach...
  Is it Illegal to modify a copyrighted schematic and reprint it?
Who is to say that you just didnt decide to hook those chips up
the way you did?



    ALSO I PRESS FOR EVERYONE OF YOU TO BUG THE heck OUT OF ATARI TO
RELEASE THEIR DOCUMENTED SOURCE CODE FOR THE XL ROM's.  ALL 500+ pages of it!

  Andrew
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: bbs@neb (BBS System 801-967-8072)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcons $799!!!!!
Organization: Nebula - Public Access Unix/bbs SLC Ut, USA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 02:20:09 GMT

Come on, I know you've probably seen this before, but here goes
again:
.
This is an Atari '8-bit' sig - please take any ST discussions to THAT
appropriate area. If I wanted to
read about the ST, I would join that conference.
.
Thanks!
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: snyder10@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu (sherry snyder)
Subject: Zmag210 at the archives
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-7938]: convex1.tcs.tulane.edu
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 05:07:25 GMT

now at the Atari Archives (atari.archive.umich.edu) in the atari/8bit/new
folder, Zmag210.arc.  Zmag210.arc is the Sept 3 issue of ZmagOnline form
ZnetOnline BBS.

Mike
WBUG Atari Archives
Louisiana

______________________________________________________________________________
  Sherry L. Snyder L.P.N.                         Mike Todd - Publications.
  Tulane Dept. of Dermatology                    Tulane Dept. of Dermatology
  snyder10@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu                dt01mws@music.tcs.tulane.edu
From: ccovatto@nmt.edu (Carl Covatto)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Help with 800xl
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:26:50 GMT
Organization: New Mexico Tech



	I have an 800xl that diagnoses itself as having a bad rom.  I agree
with it beacuse if I try to run a program, it doesn't work correctly.  I have
tried pushing all of the chips back into their sockets. This seems to work for
about half an hour and then it stops working again.
      What I want to know is where the rom chips are located at or preferably 
the numbers on the chips themselves so I can try to find replacements for them.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.


						Carl
						ccovatto@jupiter.nmt.edu
From: bd891@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Allwood)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: ANSI!?!?!?
Date: 15 Sep 1992 14:30:43 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu



Ansit1.arc is now on Compuserv in the ATARI8 Sig.  I am using it

right now.  It is shareware . This program needs no, nada, zip, 

hardware changes; but it does need at least 48k RAM.  

It gives you a very readable 80 collum display

I would UUdecode it and send it to BART; but, one of my disk

drives is sick and I am only using one drive right now.

-- 
I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ for it is the POWER of 
God unto SALVATION! * Paul Allwood bd891@Cleveland.Freenet.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: James.Hampton@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: Is Falcon worth buying?
Organization: Actrix Networks
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:50:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.233555.16515@zooid.guild.org> Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org> writes:
> 
> 
> So what are they really looking for? Another computer that will collect dust
> after a few months of use.

Companies are still producing software for the original 68000 ST.  Seems
to have more lasting value than the 8088/286 PCs that probably are
the source of all the dust, due to their disintegration.  

So what most people with PCs are looking for is the latest upgrade to
run that bloated and hyped OS/application at productive speeds.  Or
it could just be that some "experts" pointed a direction and the herd
followed...
 
> Your DSP, SCSI-2, 45 trillion color modes are the same arguments
> that 16 year old kids make on Atari Corp. conference in North America called
> "AEO." 

Pretty ironic that you should mention the age group that Atari should
market to since they are generally open-minded and at a point where
they can comprehend the technology behind the machine that manipulates
sight and sound so well.  And it's theirs for only $799.

It also looks like you are determined to continue your infamous AEO
tradition of pontificating about PC superiority to the point where
people scream at the torture.  Go ahead, make my day.

> 
> Let me ask you something, are you posting from New Zealand where Atari
> support is 0, zilch, Null? If so, where do you get your software? Where
> do you get Atari books? Where do you go when something is wrong with your
> Atari computer? Would you care to explain?
> 
> Mark K.

You probably missed in all your diatribe on AEO, the inquiries from
prople in NZ that were interested in becoming dealers for Atari.
That's a trait of yours that people in this group will get very
familiar with, unfortunately.