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From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Palestinian deportees turned back by Lebanese
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 18:31:36 EST
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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In article <xwV=Xw+@engin.umich.edu> Hani Abinassif,
hani@civil4.engin.umich.edu writes:
>In article <CNV=HwB@engin.umich.edu>, Michael F. Kamprath 
><kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu> writes:
>> In article <1992Dec18.125152.13844@zip.eecs.umich.edu> UPI,  writes:
>> >	RASHAYA, Lebanon (UPI) -- Hundreds of Palestinian fundamentalists
>> >deported by Israel were turned back Friday by Lebanese troops when they
>> >tried to cross into Lebanese-controlled territory, witnesses and
>> >security sources said.
>> 
>> I got a question concerning this.  Of all the countries that Israel
could deport
>> these people to, why Lebanon?  Is there a tie between these people and
Lebanon?
>
>Whoever asked this question is really insensitive to the plight of those
>deported, to say the least...This question implies that Israel has the
>right to deport (underline deport) any Plaetsinian nationalist who opposes
>their occupation.  The most naive part of the question is asking what
>ties these people have with Lebanon, where it is obvious that their
>ties are with their families, Women and Children, left behind...
>I fail to see the innocense in posting such a question even...

I think not.

I just could not understand why they would send them to Lebanon.  It didn't
make sense to me.

But if you want me to be insesitive, I'll just never ask questions and remain
ignorant.

And thanks to H. Harmanani who did answer my question with:

In article <1gstcdINNakf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> H. Harmanani, haidar@vlsi.CWRU.EDU writes:
>To deport a group of people some country will have to accept taking them in.  I
>doubt any country would do and since we Lebanon has been in a mess, open
>border and an occupied zone, then it is easy to deport people there.  No ties.

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Subject: Re: How do you say....
From: hchammou@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:31:56 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

In article <92350.011130CMLEE@MTUS5.BITNET>, <CMLEE@MTUS5.BITNET> writes:
> Hello, Can anyone of you tell me how to say Merry Christmas and Happy
> New Year? Thanx you.
> 
> Antonio


well, antonio, it is really difficult to read arabic in english letters,
but I will try my best.

In arabic, we say: " Milad majid wa kull aamm wa antom be khair "
and in french: " Joyeux noel et bonne annee ".

-Hassan.
Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.
Date: Tuesday, 15 Dec 1992 01:11:30 EST
From: <CMLEE@MTUS5.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: How do you say....

Hello, Can anyone of you tell me how to say Merry Christmas and Happy
New Year? Thanx you.

Antonio
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: UPI
Subject: Exchange Rates (Wed Dec 16 1992)
Reply-To: ayman@eecs.umich.edu
Organization: United Press International
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:54:57 GMT
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                      USD per LL      LL per USD
                      Wed     Tue     Wed     Tue

Lebanon pnd       .000538 .000538 1858.00 1858.00
From: 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: ANDERSON TO HEAD CNI
Date: 17 Dec 1992 11:09 CDT
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I found this on s.c.a. and thought those of us who are working on pressuring 
Israel out of Lebanon might be interested.

alex

In article <BzDzuF.600@ddsw1.mcs.com>, arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes...
> 
> 
>                  JOHN B. ANDERSON TO HEAD CNI
> 
> One time presidential candidate and former congressman, John 
> Anderson has been named president of the Council for the 
> National Interest.
> 
> CNI was established in 1989 by a group of former congressmen 
> and diplomats to provide a counter balance to the heavy 
> handed Pro-Israel Lobby.
> 
> CNI claims credit for blocking the $10 billion loan 
> guarantee to Israel although President Bush finally did cave 
> in as election day approached.
> 
> John Anderson replaces former Congressman David Bowen as 
> president with former Congresssman Paul Findley still 
> serving as Chairman of the Board.
> 
> Among his many other qualifications, John Anderson 
> represents an excellent example of a growing group of 
> "born-again-Americans.  Like so many Americans that have 
> been brainwashed by the media and pro-Israel forces into 
> believing that Israel's "special relationship" with America 
> is based on high moral principles and American interests, he 
> was a strong supporter of Israel in his public life.  After 
> returning to private life he had a chance to visit the 
> Mideast and learn the reality of the situation.  He now 
> realizes that we have been systimatically lied to by our 
> government, their government and the media.
> 
> We all welcome John aboard and hope that with his guidance, 
> CNI can become a force with lasting impact on our cowardly 
> representatives in Washington.
> 
> If you would like to join in this effort, please contact CNI 
> NOW,   I know John would love to hear from you.
> 
>            Council for the National Interest
>            1900 Eighteenth St NW
>            Washington DC 20009
>            (202) 265 4540  FAX... (202) 265 4936
> 
>                        .............
> 
> If you live in the Chicago area, I would like to invite you 
> to the next meeting of the Chicago Chapter of CNI.  The 
> meeting will be on Jan 14 at a law firm in the Loop.  For 
> security reasons, I will provide the exact location via 
> email to anyone interested.
> 
> It's time to PUT AMERICA FIRST and get Israel out of our 
> pockets.    Make that call NOW!
> 
> js
> 
> 
> 
>
From: jle@lear.bos.locus.com (John Elghani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Palestinian deportees turned back by Lebanese
Date: 19 Dec 92 22:11:19 GMT
Organization: LC

In article <BzH00q.MKJ@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz") writes:
>In article <CNV=HwB@engin.umich.edu> Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu> writes:
>>In article <1992Dec18.125152.13844@zip.eecs.umich.edu> UPI,  writes:
>>>	RASHAYA, Lebanon (UPI) -- Hundreds of Palestinian fundamentalists
>>>deported by Israel were turned back Friday by Lebanese troops when they
>>>tried to cross into Lebanese-controlled territory, witnesses and
>>>security sources said.
>>
>>I got a question concerning this.  Of all the countries that Israel could deport
>>these people to, why Lebanon?  Is there a tie between these people and Lebanon?
>>
>
>Strange thought really.
>The whole point of deporting the palestinians is to punish them, NOT to help
>them to reunite with people with whom they have ties...!


I understand that the 400+ may windup at the battle front with israel,
but did you prefer they should've killed them, or kept them
in jail for life.

jle
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From: jle@lear.bos.locus.com (John Elghani)
Subject: Re: Palestinian deportees turned back by Lebanese
Organization: LC
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 04:11:59 GMT

In article <AJW=9-A@engin.umich.edu> hani@civil4.engin.umich.edu (Hani Abinassif) writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec19.221119.0112674@locus.com>, jle@lear.bos.locus.com (John Elghani) writes:
>[..]
>> >>I got a question concerning this.  Of all the countries that Israel could deport
>> >>these people to, why Lebanon?  Is there a tie between these people and Lebanon?
>> >>
>> >
>> >Strange thought really.
>> >The whole point of deporting the palestinians is to punish them, NOT to help
>> >them to reunite with people with whom they have ties...!
>> 
>> 
>> I understand that the 400+ may windup at the battle front with israel,
>> but did you prefer they should've killed them, or kept them
>> in jail for life.
>> 
>> jle
>
>What's your point?
>I am not sure I can follow on how your answer relates to what Ibrahim
>is saying.

He's suggesting that the 400+ will join Hamas or the Islamic Jihad in 
Lebanon, and is saying that the deportation is supposed to be a punishment,
how can that be if they'll reunite with their fellow fighters on
the lebanon front.  It may have sounded like that he opposes this
type of punishment, but a different one such as life in jail, torture,
or death.  I basically ws asking for a clarification of opinon.

jle


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From: hani@civil4.engin.umich.edu (Hani Abinassif)
Subject: Re: Palestinian deportees turned back by Lebanese
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 15:34:25 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: hani@civil4.engin.umich.edu


In article <_1V=5C=@engin.umich.edu>, Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu> writes:

> >> I got a question concerning this.  Of all the countries that Israel
> could deport
> >> these people to, why Lebanon?  Is there a tie between these people and
> Lebanon?
> >
> >Whoever asked this question is really insensitive to the plight of those
> >deported, to say the least...This question implies that Israel has the
> >right to deport (underline deport) any Plaetsinian nationalist who opposes
> >their occupation.  The most naive part of the question is asking what
> >ties these people have with Lebanon, where it is obvious that their
> >ties are with their families, Women and Children, left behind...
> >I fail to see the innocense in posting such a question even...
> 
> I think not.

OK. You are entitled to your thoughts...but believe me phrasing the 
question the way you did, does not show the real issue here: Deportation.
To you, it sounded, strange they are deported to Lebanon and not to Somalia
for example...As if it is a given the Israelis can deport Palestinians.
> 
> I just could not understand why they would send them to Lebanon.  It didn't
> make sense to me.

Does this mean you understand the injustice of being deported first?
Did you ask yourself, why Israel is deporting these people?

The explanation to your question is irrelevant compared to the plight
and severity of the sufferings those deportees are undergoing.  Wouldn't
be a typical questionnto raise as why they are being disconnected from
their families in the occupied terroteries, rather than questionning
how they are connected to Lebanon..?

> 
> But if you want me to be insesitive, I'll just never ask questions and remain
> ignorant.
> 
You are overshadowing the real issue...if it is mere ignorance on your
part, as you mentioned, then let's got the answers to the more important
and pressing issues, which I would question, if I was as ignorant...
-Hani

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 17 Dec 1992 17:50:04 CST
From: Nasri <U38065@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Michel Aoun

I haven't heard ANYTHING about him lately?
Is he politically active?  Is he still popular in Lebanon? Is he planning to
get back ?




Nasri



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From: math1po@rosie.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: A penny for your thoughts
Date: 18 Dec 1992 23:52 CST
Organization: University of Houston
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from sci.virtual-worlds:


Jack Shirazi <js@montaigne.lif.icnet.uk> writes

>If you only have a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.
>                -- Maslow
From: jalil@gasface.UUCP (Jalil M. Farah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: LBC?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 22:02:45 GMT
Organization: Computer Junkie


     Someone mentioned the LBC being aired in Montreal......Could someone
tell me if there is anyway of getting it in Windsor, Ontario Canada?

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From: jalil@gasface.UUCP (Jalil M. Farah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re:  MONEY
Date: 13 Dec 1992 14:23:31 GMT
Organization: Computer Junkie

In article <1992Dec10.030155.6048@muddcs.claremont.edu> gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu (Goof) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.001419.2413664@locus.com> jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:
>>TUESDAY'S MIDDLE EASTERN FOREIGN EXCHANGE RATES 
>>                      U.S.Dollar       currency 
>>                      Equivalent    per U.S.Dollar 
>>                     Tue     Mon     Tue     Mon 
>> Egypt pound         .3013   .3013  3.3195  3.3195 
>> Iran rial           .0142   .0142   70.30   70.30 
>> Iraq dinar         2.6504  2.6504  0.3773  0.3773 
>>Enforced on Palestine.3743   .3717  2.6720  2.6900 
>> Jordan dinar       1.4832  1.4789  0.6742  0.6762 
>> Kuwait dinar       3.3389  3.3333  0.2995  0.3000 
>> Lebanon pnd       .000535 .000534 1868.00 1871.00 
>> Saudi riyal         .2665   .2665  3.7520  3.7520 
>> UAE dirham          .2723   .2723  3.6725  3.6725 
>>
>>jle
>>
>>

Please continue to post these updates my parents need this information and
this is fastre than any other source like newspapers.


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From: tage@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Contacts with American University In Beruit- WANTED!!!
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:38:28 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

                       


            Is there anyway one could get in touch with the computers via
email at the American University in Beirut?? Or any other Univer. in Lebanon??
  Any info or news relating to this question would be of great help!!!

                                                Thank You 
                        

                                                Tony Hajj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Lebanese customs
From: hchammou@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:20:29 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

In article <WtS=yWB@engin.umich.edu>, Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu> writes:
> I was planning to send a Christmas card/girft to me friend and her family (who
> are Lebanese), and I was wondering if there is any "special" way of doing this.
> For example, I know in Chinese culture, sending stuff in red evelopes is considered
> *extra* nice.  I their any similar custom in Lebanese customs.  Of course, they
> are Maronite (sp?) Christians.
> 
> Thanks.

No, there are no similar customs my friend. Sending something to her is already
considered nice.

> 
> ======================================================================
> |Michael F. Kamprath                   | The University of Michigan  |
> |  kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu |      Aerospace Engineering  |
> |  kamprath@engin.umich.edu            |      Graduate Student       |
> ======================================================================

-Hassan.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Palestinian deportees turned back by Lebanese
Date: 20 Dec 92 13:17:38 GMT
Organization: University of Strathclyde

In article <BzJ72z.19J@ecf.toronto.edu> fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M) writes:
>>In article <CNV=HwB@engin.umich.edu>, Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu> writes:
[  ...  ]
>>> I got a question concerning this.  Of all the countries that Israel could deport
>>> these people to, why Lebanon?  Is there a tie between these people and Lebanon?
>>
[  ...  ] 
>
>I believe that at least two people might have misunderstood Mr. Kamparth in
>his question.  I happen to think that what Mr. kamparth had on mind is
>more along the lines of what Haidar Harmanani answered to.
>
I don't think there were any misunderstandings here. First, the whole question
is a deviation from the real issue, but what is more puzzling is the question
about "a tie" between the deportees and the Lebanon.
The question about "a tie" can introduce an element of humanitarianism to the
deportation act. It might lead to the conclusion that Israel did not want to be
totally hard on the palestinians and they had sent them to some people with
whom they have ties. 

Is it not strange that while the world was watching this act with disbelief,
an element of humanitarianism is being enquired about in this sad event?

>The reason that "israel" deports Palestinians to Lebanon is mainly the
>force of habit.  For the longest time Lebanon was not in control of its
>border and was never able to stand up to "israel" and hence "israel" 
>found it easy to just drop off the undesired palestinians on Lebanese 
>Land.  One way to look at it is what are the choices?; Syria?, Jordan?.
>they would have to officially ask if either one would take them on, while
>Lebanon has always offered the place where there was no one to have to
>ask.  
>
I don't want to discuss why the deportation has taken place to this or that
of these countries, it is not the issue but since you elaborated, let me add
that it is also a signal to the PLO (that exists only in Lebanon as a force).
If these fundamentalist palestinians were to be accepted, they will
have to end up in the camps where there is already some growing support for
Hamas. The PLO has to deal them as the these fundamentalists are seriously
challenging the PLO and their ideas.
Few waves of deportees can undermine the PLO in the camps and also create
troubles for the Lebanese government since the Hamas will get plenty support
from lebanese fundamentalist groups.

Israelis are warning the PLO and reminding them who is the real looser if Hamas
is to be left to grow.

>
[  ...  ]
>
>Samir M. Fahs

I. Ballouz
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 19 Dec 1992 00:20:52 CST
From: Nasri <U38065@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: How do you say....

Ayeda, where are you originally from?  because in my 'milieu' we are used to
say kol sana w inta be kheir and not tayebb.


Nasri


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From: UPI
Subject: Israeli soldier killed by 'friendly fire'
Reply-To: ayman@eecs.umich.edu
Organization: United Press International
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:14:15 GMT
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	JERUSALEM (UPI) -- An Israeli soldier accidently killed another member
of his unit while on maneuvers in southern Lebanon, the latest in a
series of ``friendly fire'' incidents that have plagued the Israeli
army, officials said Sunday.
	The soldier who was killed, Haim Bar Natan, 19, was at the front of
his unit as they were moving through Israel's self-declared security
zone in southern Lebanon Saturday night.
	``The force was moving in difficult terrain through a pass,'' an army
statement said. ``During the movements, a soldier from the force opened
fire and, as a result, his comrade, who was at the front of the force,
was killed.''
	A succession of military accidents, most notably one on Nov. 5 in
which five soldiers were killed, has led to a deep crisis of confidence
in the army, historically a source of national pride.
	The death came on the second day of artillery and rocket exchanges
between guerrillas and Israeli and South Lebanese Army units. Israeli
soldiers detonated four booby-trap bombs discovered on their patrol
routes Saturday in the security zone.
	Israel and the SLA militia it backs patrol the 9-mile-wide strip
along Israel's northern border with the stated aim of preventing attacks
against its border settlements.

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From: UPI
Subject: Exchange Rates (Thu Dec 17 1992)
Reply-To: ayman@eecs.umich.edu
Organization: United Press International
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:42:23 GMT
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                      USD per LL      LL per USD
                      Thu     Wed     Thu     Wed

Lebanon pnd       .000538 .000538 1858.00 1858.00

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From: ziad@eng.umd.edu (Ziad K. Cheiban)
Subject: Re: MONEY
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 21:27:00 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Dec11.165924.6465@cs.brown.edu> hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) writes:
[.....]
>
>What !?! Israel is one of the most humanitarian nations on this Earth.
>For some reason, you can not see that. Why don't you open your eyes
>and see the power hungry corruption which is at the head of most Arab
>states. Israel is the complete antithesis of this.
[...]
>Harry.
Just to buttress that point I'm crossposting the following without
permission from misc.activism.progressive

/* Written  4:17 pm  Dec 10, 1992 by worldpnews@igc.apc.org in igc:worldp.samples */
/* ---------- "Palestine on Intifada anniversary" ---------- */
>From WORLD PERSPECTIVES. Box 3074, Madison, WI 53704


PALESTINE
Palestinian leaders pledged "a fight to the end" with Israeli
authorities, as inmates continue a hunger strike over conditions in
Israeli jails.

Five thousand Palestinian prisoners are taking only water in 20
jails as the strike spread Oct 1 to Arab East Jerusalem and the
occupied Gaza Strip.

The prisoners are complaining, among other things, of beatings by
guards, severe over-crowding and increased use of solitary
confinement. (R. France 10/1)





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