From: rcashman@cs.ulowell.edu (The Jester)
Subject: Re: Proposal? (girls, atheists, sexuality)
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:47:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.065507.9474@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> Dakin Burdick <burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>
>>I went to a gay bar with a homosexual friend of mine just recently, to make
>>sure that I had my facts straight.  I was not-so-politely asked to leave.  I
>>asked why, and the gentleman at the door responded that I was not welcome
>>because I was "obviously" straight.  So much for the self-righteous attitude
>>of the detractors of the BSA: its a two way street, folks.
>
>Your homophobia may have been showing.  I'm straight but I've taken
>dates to gay bars to dance several times.  I never had a problem and
>always had fun.


So I'm homophobic if I simply walk up to the front door of a gay establishment
with a gay friend, and, without having said a single word, am asked to leave?
Keep on living in that cushy little slice of reality that you've been hanging
out in: gay people are/can be just as discriminatory against straight folks as
you claim straight folks are/can be against gays.  But this is not the issue
here.  I was using this to illustrate a point, one which you obviously missed.

Furthermore, I take offense to your suggestion that I am homophobic.  As I have
said in a previous post, I have a number of friends who are homosexuals, and
all of them have read every post I have made to this group.  None of them have
voiced any objection to my feelings, and they are the type of individuals who
would tell me if they actually had objections to my feelings.  But again, this
is a needless digression to satisfy you and your self-righteous gay-rights
rhetoric.  You point a finger at everyone who disagrees with you and yell HOMO-
PHOBE!  Name-calling, I am told, is the response of a person who lacks the
intelligence to come up with a coherent reply.


>>As a previous poster said, nobody is born with the God-given right to belong
>>to every organization in the world.  Nobody said life is fair, and, to quote
>>that previous poster, "we are not here to make it so."  As I have said time
>>and time again, if you cannot or will not conform to the ideals of an organ-
>>ization, that organization has the right to deny you membership.  End of
>>lecture.
>
[Mr. Burdick's prattling about why he wants to be a scouter and the desire
 of homosexuals and atheists to contribute to the movement deleted.]

I don't care what your personal preference is: if you openly admit to being
gay or atheist, you have admitted your incompatibility with the ideals that
the Boy Scouts of America try to teach.  Thus, you have disqualified yourself
from membership.  This is the kernel of what I was attempting to say, though,
again, you obviously missed the point through your haze of self-righteous
drivel.


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