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From: psc9q@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (The Beloved)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Blade Runner v. Alien
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:53:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <6_ynrw-.zoetrope@netcom.com> zoetrope@netcom.com (Devan DzM MacFarlane) writes:
: 
: Err ... Refresh my memory. Exactly >which< computer sequences were re-used?
: 
: The landing sequence software was, as I recall, similar in design (rectangles
: in the distance coming "closer" to the viewer to illustrate flight path) but
: that is the only sequence I remember as being similar.

In article <id73552@pro-amber.cts.com> rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy
Sopicki) writes:
: 
: Now you've interested me. What sequence are you refering too??

Hmm, I believe the rectangles illustrating flight path was unique to Alien. I
was referring to when Deckard is escorted back to police HQ and the ship
spirals down to land on top of the building. On the computer screen is some
sort of blue graphic (something like concentric circles superimposed with a
grid) and a counter, perhaps to indicate altitude. I'm certain this same
sequence was used in Alien, but forget where it occurs.

The second scene involves a computer graphic that simply says "PURGE." In Blade
Runner, I believe it's displayed right before the blue graphic mentioned above.
In Alien, one again I can't remember.

Sorry for the sketchy details. Maybe someone with a copy of Alien can confirm
these scenes? Thanks

Paul
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From: phk@aristotle.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Pieter Kallemeyn)
Subject: Re: Director's cut of Bladerunner: When?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:09:49 GMT

For you Info:

Blade Runner Director's Cut is playing at the Mann Theatre
in Westwood.  Rumor has it it will open at the Rialto
in South Pasadena (a much better theatre for BR, IMHO).

- Pieter

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Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Date: Mon,  7 Sep 1992 04:09:17 -0400 
From: "William R. Frank" <wf0i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re" Most Embarassing Movies

has anyone mention Joe Vs. Volcano...i really can't imagine anymore ever
being worse than this one..

bill
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: ken@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Primer)
Subject: Re: Akira
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 06:55:03 GMT

tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:

>Are ther any good Japaneese anamation like Akira on video? I bought 
>Clash of the BioNoids (with characters from the robotech I think) but
>it was god awful. Also bought a Speed Racer. pretty sad, made me laugh
>tho. I want good flicks, preferably in English, but I suppose Ill also
>check out some sub-title ones...
>Also of any addresses?
>I know Heavy Metal mag has some ads for em, but looking for any others
>
>Thanks
    Check out any video store (since you live in a college town) that offers
the wierd stuff. If they don't have it then write to:
Streamline Pictures: Po box 691418 W Hollywood, CA. 90069 USA.
US Manga Corp: 301 west 53rd st. siute 13e,New York,New York.10019 (212)977-
7456
US Renditions: 1123 Dominguez street. unit k, Carson California 90746 (213)
604-9701
Animiego: po box 989 Wilmington NC,28402. (919) 799-1501

My recommendations are:
Vampire Princess Miyu (Animiego) a story about Japanese vampires
Doninion 1-4 (US MANGA Corps) cops in tanks patrol in bladerunner type city
Black Magic m-66 (US manga Corps) a nifty terminator rip off.
Project Ako(US Manga Corps) cute Japanese school girls destroy city
in masive cat fight. Watch for appearance by Superman and wonder woman
Bubble gum crisis (animiego) babes in neat armor blast evil corporate
thugs in futuristic Tokyo


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From: dwv@cs.brown.edu (David W. Vorbrich)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Akira
Date: 11 Sep 1992 20:44:53 GMT
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Distribution: world
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Try rec.anime or something like that.  The group only discusses Japanese
animation of this sort.

-David V.
 dwv@cs.brown.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: cgc2646@usl.edu (Cech Claude G)
Subject: Re: Embarrassing films...
Keywords: Uck!
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 19:33:43 GMT

In article <heard.715687340@franklin> heard@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au (George Heard (Laurie 8)) writes:
>G'day Cultophiles,
>
>       Throwing in a few films that I felt REALLY EMBARRASSED to sit through..
>
>      [stuff deleted before and after the next entry]
>
>"Rocky Horror Picture Show"
>    - Boy am I gonna get flamed. I just didn't like it. I do like cult films
>in general, but RHPS didn't do it for me.
>
>
When it first came out, it was apparently an embarrassing file for a lot of
folks.  I saw it several times that first year both off and on campus (at the
U. of Illinois).  On those first showings, quite a few people walked out.
Different story now, huh?  Take away the audience participation bit, though,
and the question is, Is there a MOVIE there worth seeing?  I think the answer's
YES:  A decidedly witty and funny film IF ... IF, like me, you spent a lot of
your childhood taking in Grade-B 1950s horror and sf films.  Of course, your
mileage may vary.

Cheers -
		Claude
From: zamick@yoko.rutgers.edu (Jonny the Z)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Biehn and Cameron
Date: 7 Sep 92 21:31:53 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Since the contract for Spiderman has been signed and Cameron is
supposedly in charge think Biehn is in for a spot as Spidey?

Reflections, views, possible cultability? (well that's for the future
to say)

Ah well... Red Dwarf rocks.. gotta go watch more 

Oh... don't go see Rapid Fire.. bleh... not even in an altered state.
Didn't know I could be bored by a movie when barely conscious of it.

Jon Z
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: Nosferatu - The Vampyre?
Organization: none
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:23:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.234206.14613@informix.com> davidj@informix.com (David Jennings CONTRACTOR) writes:
>In article <BuCpLM.HHF@agora.rain.com> hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins) writes:
>>
>>	Anyone know how to get a copy of the remake of Nosferatu -
>>Nosferatu - The Vampyre?  I don't think it has been released on video or
>>laserdisc yet, but it's worth a shot.  Anyone seen it?  How does it compare
>>to the first and the novel?
>>
>>			-Casey Hopkins
>>			hopkins@agora.rain.com
>>
>>	BTW, it has Klaus Kinski in it.
>
>The remake of Nosferatu had a fairly decent Gothic atmosphere, but it
>also had the pacing of a glacier.  My advice is to stick with the original
>silent version.  If you absolutely need to see a recent horror film
>featuring a vampire with chipmunk teeth, I would suggest "Salem's Lot"
>starring David "Hutch" Soul.  SL is mid-grade Stephen King drivel, but
>at least the story keeps moving.
>
>Have fun,
>-- dave
>Disclaimer:
>These opinions would be likely to make my employers vomit.
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>David Jennings                                      Informix Software, Inc. 
>Programmer/Analyst, MIS (Contractor)             uunet!pyramid!infmx!davidj
>
>                They can have their drug-free workplace 
>          when they pry the needle from my cold, dead fingers.

Actually, I thought both versions had the pacing of a glacier. And the
Vampire in Salems Lot is a direct clone/ripoff of Kinski in Werner Herzog's
version. 
I liked Salems Lot but I prefer to remember David Soul for his terrible 
singing career, rather than his TV shows. 
What the hell was that big hit he had? My copy of his album is 60 miles
away, filed under "humorous".
<All IMHO>
<No flames accepted from David Soul fans. Sorry.>

					--Judex--

Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: rtpo@jyu.fi (Risto Tapani Pohjonen)
Subject: Re: Nosferatu - The Vampyre?
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 18:07:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.225954.795@mala.bc.ca> epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp) writes:

>Something that has been bugging me:  In the tape the characters all
>had the familiar Stoker names: Dracula, Harker, Van Helsing, etc.
>I vaguely remember reading a book about old horror movies, and its
>description of the movie mentioned different names for the characters.
>The vampire was called something like "Count Morlock", I believe.
>Were the characters' names altered for the video, was the book wrong,
>or is my memory shot?  I also remember the book mentioning that the
>movie violated Stoker's copyright, hence the altered names.  Maybe
>the names were altered in the versions exhibited in countries where
>the copyright was in force, and the Stoker names used elsewhere?

 You're right. In the original version, the names had been changed for the
copyright reason. Count Dracula was Count Orlock and the other names were
somehow changed, too.

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From: bjbartlett@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (I'm not really a doctor...)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Alien ^3
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:41:31 GMT
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <1992Sep13.132204.7994@ifi.uio.no>, tommyr@ifi.uio.no (Tommy Rivrud) writes:
> Anyone hiding information about a release of Alien ^3 on laserdisc this autumn?
> Just curious.
> 
> BTW, it was truly magnificent!!
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  I HEARD it was good.  I saw it last week at a Dawn-to-Dusk drive-in, but it 
was the last one they showed, and a half an hour into the movie it was so 
foggy we could barely see the screen from the car.  All you could see was a few 
spots of light, but we had nothing else to do, so we stayed and listened to it!
  Can't wait for it to come on video, to see if it looks as good as it sounded!

-Bart
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies,rec.arts.movies
From: rtpo@jyu.fi (Risto Tapani Pohjonen)
Subject: Re: George A Romero's Zombie films
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 17:46:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.031111.8154@zip.eecs.umich.edu> stame@emunix.emich.edu (Stewart Tame) writes:

>>It was boring and drab.
>You're entitled to your own opinion of course.  But it seems to me that
>the drabness was a calculated move on Romero's part.  The drabness points
>up the decay and stagnation of the neighborhood and also makes the whole
>movie seem more "real."

 Agreed. Martin has mental problems, but who doesn't in a such enviroment.
I think we should see MARTIN as a some kind of a variation of a very
popular psycho-theme of 70's.

 "I'm fine. I'm always fine."



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Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
Subject: flix
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:47:13 GMT

Robin Hood sucked except for Alan Rickman, who was definitely stellar, and
whoever it was that played Guy of Gisbourne. (Hey...I have this thing for guys
with earrings, okay? Gotta go, being e-mailed, will be back soon.
			Rosaleen Dhu
From: ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Wild at Heart
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 16:57:11 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Eternal Apprentice BBS, Norman, OK

     I'm sorry, but for some reason, _Wild At Heart_ didn't hit me as hard as
_Blue Velvet_ or even, more recently, _Fire Walk With Me_.. By the way, has
anyone else seen the Twin Peaks film?  I quite enjoyed it.  Seeing it at the
theater was like gazing deeply (at times) into a surrealist painting.



Little Man: Let's rock!

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Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies,rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies
From: donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: Various stuff RE Aliens, Terminator, etc.
Organization: none
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:48:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.110002.25428@maths.tcd.ie> robb@maths.tcd.ie (Robert Bashford) writes:
>greg@ctpm.uq.oz.au (Greg Hall) writes:
>>	Can I give the awards for the directors who reuse
>>	actors/actresses the most to James Cameron and
>>	David Lynch (Jack Nance, Laura Dern, etc) ?
> 
> what about a runners up award for  Scorcese (de niro,pesci) 
>
>            ,,    ,,    
>            ||    ||    
>,._-_  /'\\ ||/|, ||/|, 
> ||   || || || || || || @salmon.maths.tcd.ie 
> ||   || || || |' || |' I feel a tug on the line,which end?
>  \\,  \\,/  \\/   \\/    will i be on this time...

And let's not forget John Waters. Mink Stole. Mary Vivian Pearce, David Lochary,
Divine, Edith Massey, etc.... have been in his films over and over. 
<Divine and Lochary are now sadly RIP>

					--Judex--
From: jma@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John 'Vlad' Adams)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Batman Returns (Was Re: Buffy and Pee-Wee)
Date: 5 Sep 92 01:51:36 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

Did andrewg@yang.earlham.edu really type:
> 
> If Reubens appeared in the film more often, I'd recommend
> a full-price viewing.

The same could be said about the movie _Batman Returns_.  :)
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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: HELP!  Need movie title... have description
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 17:52:32 GMT

There was a movie called _THE GROOVE TUBE_ which was a set of spoofs
tied together. Its been a long time but I don't recall any of the 
skits you mention being in TGT.

There was also a movie called _Mike's Mondo Video_ (or something like that)
done by some Saturday Night Live alumni. There is this one skit about
a church worshipping Hawai Five-Os Jack Lord in which Dan Akroyd 
particpated that was hysterical. It also had several of the Jack Handey's
Deep Thoughts sketches which are in vogue on SNL these days.
From: cf542@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Julio Richard Laredo)
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Subject: Re: How does he fly
Date: 12 Sep 1992 04:26:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


It would have been better if he had not "flown" across the
Grand Canyon a few years ago.  That ruined the new illusion
for me because he kept saying how much he wanted to fly.
And I'm thinking, "But, you did!"
-- 
Have straitjacket, might travel.

Newsgroups: alt.magic
From: jhands@eng.clemson.edu (Matt Hands)
Subject: Re: How does he fly
Reply-To: jhands@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:16:31 GMT
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 08:19:05 EDT
From: <HCM100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Subject: Re: The Amazing Jonathan...

The Amazing Johnathan is, without a doubt, one of the crudest, funniest,
most refreshing magicians in the comedy circuit today.  He has so many
*GOOD* and original gags in his routines that you spend so much time
laughing, it really doesn't matter if he gets to the trick at all.

I've seen only a couple of routines by him,  but he seems to concentrate
on his Bill in Lemon trick.  It takes him about 10 minutes to get to the
point, but it's worth it.

Presto,
Hans C. Masing | HCM100@PSUVM.psu.edu  | Penn State University MIS Dept |

"What's the matter, you dissentious rogues, that in scratching the poor
itch of your opinion make yourselves scabs?" - Will Shakespeare
Newsgroups: alt.magic
From: nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel G. Backhurst")
Subject: How does he fly 
Distribution: world
Organization: IE Technical Services Holland
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:07:23 +0000


In article <BuEKCv.BIv@csn.org> van@teal.csn.org writes:

>
>of the performance.  I agree with others.  If Magic is not entertaining --
>if it does not light your emotional candles -- then it is the same as the
>card tricks your Uncle Charley did at the family re-union when you were a pup.
>
>I have seen magicians have an audience rolling in the isles with a dumb trick
>you could buy in a magic store for $10.   It is the entertainment, not the
>effect.  DC is one of the finest magicians of his type that ever was.
>
>but your magic does not have to be of that type to be fantastic.  I do a
>

Van is hitting the nail right on the head here.  Magic is not about
tricks its about entertaining.  In 1986 Paul Daniels was asked by a
young magician at the Dutch National Convention, what he should
concentrate on if he wanted to be a good professional magician.  Paul's
answer was stage craft, dancing, entertaining skills, oh and learn a
few tricks.

That young magician is Christian Farla, a leading Dutch magician.  If
you see him preform `Stiff Rope' you would not believe it is the same
effect that you can buy in a local joke shop for about $15.  The job
of the professional magician is to entertain, not to do tricks.
Unfortunately too many dabblers forget this, all they want to do is
something which fools other magicians.

Nigel

>
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From: HCM100@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Subject: Re: Torn/restored newspaper -- also, "how does DC do the tricks"
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:29:58 GMT
 <1992Sep8.210358.21477@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>
 <1992Sep9.132418.12695@cbnews.cb.att.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Sep9.132418.12695@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ddn@cbnews.cb.att.com
(david.d.nason) says:
>
>In article <1992Sep8.210358.21477@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>
>rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) writes:
>>
>>So how's he do it?  Wires.  Yeah, it's just a bunch of wires (10 to be
>>exact), in a fan formation attached to a harness around his waist.
>>The committee he invites on stage can almost certainly see this, and
>>the girl is either a member of the crew or they pick someone and set
>>her up beforehand.  She has five wires of her own, you see.
>>
>
>The girl who "flew" with DC on his latest TV special was the same one who
>"flew" with him when I saw him in Columbus.  But anyway, I don't get the
>wires thing.  If it's wires, how does he "fly" in the box?  If the girl
>has wires of her own, what are they attached to and how to they get attached?
>And why couldn't I see these wires from the 2nd row ?  Other than the
>suspicious looking background (which looked like it might be used to help
>hide something) and the fact that there is something obviously under his
>shirt,
>I was not able to determine how he "flew".
>
>david

Does any of this matter?  If you know how it was done, then enjoy the
simplicity of it.  If you don't, then stop speculating.  This is not the
purpose of this newsgroup.  If you want to discuss it, join Bruce's mailing
list (after you convince Bruce that you are a magician) and you can get all
the nitty gritty there.  But if you discuss it here, laypersons (note the
non-sexist, non threatening politically correct use of the word) will
lurk in the background and learn all sorts of things that they shouldn't.
Yes, he used a stooge.  SO WHAT?  When *I* saw his last Flying tour, he
didn't fly anyone else around the stage AND I WAS STILL BLOWN AWAY BY THE
BEAUTY OF THE ILLUSION.  The fact is, *IT DOESN"T MATTER HOW HE DID IT.*
Folks, this is not a new illusion.  It is a simple stage levitation with
the magician playing the part of the levetee (??).  It is simply an
incrdedibly wonderful handling of a centurey old method.  Enjoy it.
If you feel that you must still discuss this, then PLEASE take it to email.


Hans C. Masing | HCM100@PSUVM.psu.edu  | Penn State University MIS Dept |
"It takes a big man to cry.  It takes a bigger man to laugh at that man."
        - Jack Handey  DEEP THOUGHTS
Newsgroups: alt.magic
From: arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler)
Subject: MAGICIANS = VENAL DECEIVERS?
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 03:43:17 GMT

  I'm a juggler who drops in here occasionally for fun and advice, and
have found the folks here quite helpful (I can now roll 7 coins across
the backs of both hands!).  But the other day I was talking to a
juggler, and the following dialogue occurred:
   Rich: Magic is the lowest form of theater.  It's a terrible thing to
get involved with.
   Arthur (surpised): Why do you say that?
   Rich: two reasons.  To begin with, magicians sell there tricks.
Jugglers are free and open with what they know.  Magicians demean what
they do by peddling their wares.  I can go into a magic store and *buy*
tricks.
   Second: the purpose of magic is to deceive.  It's dishonest by its
very nature.
   Arthur: But we jugglers are trying to dazzle audiences, too. We all
like to show off.
   Rich: But we're not trying to mislead anyone.  That's the whole idea
of doing magic. Magic encourages deception......
*****
   You get the drift.  I have my own replies to Rich; but, as you might
guess, he's unconvinced.
   What would you say? Or, more precisely, how would you respond to his
two charges?
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Subject: Re: Feather Magic
From: alvalent@husc9.harvard.edu (Alvin Valentine)
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:39:49 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I recall seeing feather's used for divination in a bad western once.  You
tossed the feather up in the air and looked at the way it landed.  Kinda like
a really far out game of spin the bottle.

Suggested effects for you to work on:
Any of the various possibilities of divination
Multiplying feathers
Floating Feathers
Feather to Bird Tricks
Have a feather write something on a piece of paper "by itself"
etc.

Spring feather flowers are an option :)  though a lame one and one completely
out of your genre there.  PS if you have a Medicine Man routine, could
you post details?  Are you the one who was asking about starting fires
from a distance and such?  I remember a while back we had a Medicine Man
show thread. 
 

 
Later,
 
Lee Valentine