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From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: sabres/montreal -- player condition
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:22:24 GMT
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Organization: UB


   Well, after an 11 day break from skating, I watched the Sabres and
Canadiens last night . . .  From what I heard, Montreal had a practice
Saturday afternoon, but none on Sunday.  The Sabres practiced both
days.  Neither team was fantastic, and the Sabres seemed to have taken
to the concept of a rough game.  There were over 300 penalty minutes,
slightly less than the Sabres' brawl with Minnesota before the strike.  
Funny thing was, it wasn't (always) Ray and Donnelly . . . it was
players like Hawerchuk and Mogilny, vs Savard.  Weird.  Quote of the
day goes to Clint Malarchuk when Sabres' coach John Muckler still
wasn't on the ice at the start of practice (most players were early):

"Come on, coach, what are you, on strike?" 

 Anyway, what I intended to note here was the quality of play.  The
Sabres weren't great, but Montreal looked clueless for much of the 
game.  Patrick Roy was forced to leave the game part-way through the 
third period, with a groin pull.  If he's not healthy for the
playoffs, it'll be an uphill struggle for the Canadiens.  
   As for the Sabres, they have to decide soon which goaltender will 
start the playoffs.  Draper is the obvious choice, being the most 
consistent thus far this season, but as he has never played in the 
stanley cup playoffs the Sabres are suddenly gun-shy and want to 
try to get Puppa or Malarchuk going.  Malarchuk has not played since 
early February, when he was diagnosed with an obsessive-compulsive 
disorder.  Puppa has been flaky all year performing brilliantly one
night and turning into a disaster the next.
   The rest of the Sabres are setting personal bests for penalty
minutes, I guess :-).  

   So, did anyone else have any comments on how other games went?
Were they as unpolished as the Sabres-Canadiens game?  Are there going
to be different results than if there had been no strike?  


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From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner)
Subject: Re: NHL team leaders in +/-
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:12:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.145623.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi> hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes:
>  And three of them are Finns!!  Two of them from Tampere...
> 
>  BTW Teemu Selanne is leaving for Winnipeg to help the Jets
>  when the playoffs start... Let's hope that he keeps the same
>  speed on his skates and his scoring ability, too. Anyway, his
>  results in Finnish league exceed those of Jari Kurri...?
>
>  /Hannu
>
Hi Hannu.  Teemu is on his way now?  I thought that he was staying to
play for Finland in the World Championships and wouldn't be available
to the Jets until after the WC on May 10?  Not that I'm complaining,
mind you, if Teemu does come, he'll be a welcome addition.

    Daryl Turner
     <umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
       r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets
>  


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From: djung@fraser.sfu.ca (Derek Shew Lon Jung)
Subject: Re: YES! Never was there a doubt in my mind.
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 22:52:22 GMT

There *was* some doubt in mine, but it's nice to see sanity prevail....

The Strike is over!  The Canucks are back in business!!

Just had to get that off my chest.  :-)


gerry@SKATTER.USASK.CA (Gerry Gryschuk) writes:

>P.P.S. This ones just for you Bob. Vancouver's going to get their
>butts kicked in the finals by the Habs!

Well, you got that half-right.  Canucks and the Habs in the final.
Canucks in six!

Derek


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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Kiss the playoffs goodbye
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:14:27 GMT

In article <ARBOGASTW.58@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu> ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast) writes:
>No, it is the owners who want to consider this revenue in the overall CBA.  
>The owners have said they don't want to change the status quo, they want to 
>BEFORE THE END OF THE 93 PLAYOFFS look closer at this revenue source.

In what way is this not a change in the status quo?  Seriously.  

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com


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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Big Bri)
Subject: Lonnie Loach and mike O'Neill
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:29:13 GMT

Someone (whose address I lost) wanted to know about Adirondack's
Lonnie Loach and Moncton's Mike O'Neill.

Loach had 85 points in 65 games. 29 goals (I believe) and 56 assists for
the Wings and was their leading scorer. He finished 25 points behind leading
scorer Shaun VanAllen of the Oilers but Loach missed 15 games with an injury.
Who knows if Loach would've caught VanAllen otherwise.

Mike O'Neill went 14-16-3 with a 3.41 GAA for the Hawks.

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PROUD TO BE A FAN OF USA HOCKEY AND US COLLEGE HOCKEY.
 
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From: carrie@wpi.WPI.EDU (Carrie A Ayers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: So long, Stanley Cup playoffs
Summary: AHL vs NHL
Keywords: minor vs. major leagues
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:38:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: wpi.1992Apr13.193824.26656
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

In article <1992Apr9.223932.22819@udel.edu> perkins@beauregard.udel.edu (Erik 'Air' Perkins) writes:
>>>If that's the case, count me out.  I'm not paying major league prices to see
>>>minor league talent.  I'll stay home and watch college hockey on cable.
>>
>>I'm sorry you feel this way.  Minor league hockey is just as exciting 
>>as NHL hockey.  As an AHL fan, I can say I've seen games that are much
>>more exciting than some NHL games I've seen.  I know of a few AHL teams
>>that could play any NHL team anyday and win.  And considering a lot of
>>...
>>Carrie
>
>I've heard the minor league team vs. major league team argument before, but
>have never really bought it.  Do you really believe that a minor league team
>could beat any NHL team?  I've heard the same comment about collegiate teams
>(in the U.S) that win national championships.
>
>I've only seen one minor league game (in St. Hyacinth) and it was as exciting,
>if not moreso, than many of the NHL games that I have seen.  But to say that
>either team playing could beat San Jose or Quebec is very questionable...
>
>I can believe freak games where an NHL squad could lose to an extremely hot
>goalie with a good supporting cast, but to say ANYDAY is pretty shaky to me.
>
>Does anybody else think that ANY minor league team could actually beat an NHL
>squad even 5-10% of the time?
>
>erik

Well I didn't say ANY AHL team, I said a few (like the Springfield
Indians or the Rochester Americans - last year's team atleast) could
contend with ANY NHL team  -not just San Jose or Quebec.  I believe
this to be very true.  I do not believe that college hockey teams
could beat an NHL team.  As for "an extremely hot goalie", well, believe
it or not, the AHL as well as the IHL has some damn good goalies.  The
Indians have ex-King Mario Gosselin as their starting goalie.  And he
has definately proven himself.  Last year they had Kay Whitmore, who
played excellently (for the most part) this season for Hartford.  So
the "extremely hot goalie" is really  an extremely consistent, extremely
good goalie.  And it takes more than just a goalie to lead a team to 
victory, and I know of a lot of minor league players who would do just
fine in the NHL.  

But anyway, the whole point of my first comment is that those of you
who would not pay NHL prices to see minor league players, instead of 
just being happy to see some great hockey, should not  
criticize the players for wanting higher salaries instead of just 
being happy that they are playing hockey.  

Carrie
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From: jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar)
Subject: Minimum Salaries
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:04:51 GMT




  Can anyone provide me with the following information on salaries ?

*  Minimum and Average salaries in the NHL
*  Minimum and Average salaries in the NBA
*  Minimum and Average salaries in Baseball.

Thanx.

Joe.
jca2@cec1.wustl.edu
From: gak@gakbox.Corp.Sun.COM (Richard Stueven)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: HAPPY DAYS FOR ISLES FANS!!!
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:34:09 GMT
Reply-To: gak@gakbox.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gakbox.corp.sun.com

In article 17281@midway.uchicago.edu, ms23@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael Schor) writes:
>Just a note: I know that the strike is an occasion for sadness among many of
>you, but I cannot include myself among your ranks. Sure, I miss the games, but 
>the mere fact that the Stanley Cup has once again been snatched from the Ranger
>fans gives me pleasure beyond belief. Better than sex!!!
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
How would you know?   :-)

LET'S GO RANGERS!

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From: euaaen@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall)
Subject: World Championships, pool B - final standings
Summary: Austria up, YU down
Keywords: Austria, Yugoslavia
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 08:52:11 GMT

The pool B WC was held in Klagenfurt, Austria, April 2 - April 12.
As predicted, Austria won, and is thus promoted to pool A for the
1993 WC (where will that be staged, btw?)

Final standings:

           GP W T L GF GA PTS
Austria     7 7 0 0 73- 4 14
----------------------------
Netherlands 7 5 1 1 53-16 11
Japan       7 4 0 3 30-24  8
Denmark     7 4 0 3 23-24  8
Bulgaria    7 3 0 4 14-38  6
Romania     7 1 3 3 13-26  5
China       7 1 1 5 15-50  3
----------------------------
Yugoslavia  7 0 1 6  7-46  1

Yugoslavia sent down to pool C, replaced by Great Britain.
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From: gomer@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: FLYERS notes 4/1
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:48:47 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <3NZTiB3w164w@cellar.org> darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) writes:
>gomer@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle) writes:
>So as to get a 2/elbowing, and not a 5/fighting like Ulf.  It worked, if I
>recall.

True, but even you will admit that to do so is rarely strategy in this
league.  Rather, it is done to keep one from getting the shit kicked out
of him.   Even though it "worked", you don't see players doing it every
day, and somehow I doubt that Rick Tocchet will resort to your "turtling
strategy" any time soon.
> 
>That "other verbiage" you chose to ignore, rather than respond to, was a
>series of clear and irrefutable examples demonstrating why your "All Flyers
>fans have no right to complain about violence" theory is about as 
>intelligent and logical as locking up all blacks because Willie Horton 
>committed a crime.

Gee whiz, if you say so.  And here I thought I was sparing you the
embarrassment of having me whittle it apart.

>What you should do, Rick, is apologize for bad-mouthing Flyers fans with
>your misguided generalization.  You screwed up.  Admit it, and move on.

Well, I will stop far short of that.  However, I do congratulate you on
your new-found sense of self-control.  Not once in this posting did you
mention references to urination and masturbation, and I for one am
proud of you.

rick
From: stig@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Info on Malarchuk's condition?
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:03:37 GMT


Can anyone give me more information on Clint Malarchuk's obsessive-complusive 
condition?  What is it exactly and how does it affect his play?

Any replies will be appreciated.
From: mjdaly@athena.mit.edu (Mark J Daly)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Playoff Format
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:07:38 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr15.053758.29478@wuecl.wustl.edu> jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar) writes:
>
>  Since there has been much talk about the Isles and the Flyers missing the
>playoffs. I would suggest that the NHL uses the NBA playoff format which
>would have the best 8 teams in in each of the conferences.
>  
>  The winner of each division will have the number one and two seeds
>and the rest will be determined based on their number of points.  On this
>given format the Isles and the Flyers would have made it to the playoffs
>based on their better record than the Whalers and the Sabres. We also would
>have more different playoff series. 

This set-up makes sense in the NBA since conference alignments are
meaningful in the NBA regular season (you play teams outside your
division but in your conference more than you play teams in the
other conference). I'd be in favor of this only if the NHL schedule
was adjusted in this manner because as it stands now, you'd have few 
chances to play teams that you would be competing for playoff spots with.

Mark Daly 
mjdaly@athena.mit.edu
From: carrd@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Dear Sherri
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:06:31 EST

Sherri,

Yes its true in baseball there is compensation for signing players.  That 
compensation is based on contract size.  Some may argue that when the
compensation involves first round draft picks, this achieves parity -
I disagree.  The procurement of raw, untried talent in baseball is much
more speculative than in hockey.  Rarely do first round picks in baseball
make the majors.  

If you are an advocate of unrestricted free agency in hockey - thats
great.  I respect your opinions.  I wish you would look at the
Pirates franchise and see how the ramifications of free agency has
dealt with that once proud franchise.  Unfortunately the Pirates
are just the tip of the iceberg.  

A recent article in the paper priced an average day at the ball park
for a family of four.  The price included tickets, programs, parking 
and refreshments.  The major league high was in Toronto at $112 (US),
the low was Cincy at ~=$77.  Baseball plays 162 games/year,  hockey
about half that figure.  Simple arithmetic concludes that if free
agency hits hockey like its hit baseball, quite a few families
who currently attend games, will be watching them on TV.  
Not many families can afford too many trips to the hockey rink when
it would cost ~=$200.

Of course then there would be the pay per view subisdies that would
have to make up for the lost gate revenues...

Dave
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From: ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Subject: Re: Kiss the playoffs goodbye
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:08:12 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.154316.29014@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.025044.11515@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes:

> The issue that seems to be keeping them apart is the trading
>card issue, in which the players are wanting the status quo formalized in
>the contract language.  It's the owners who want to change the status quo
>in the trading card issue.

>Sherri Nichols
>snichols@adobe.com

No, it is the owners who want to consider this revenue in the overall CBA.  
The owners have said they don't want to change the status quo, they want to 
BEFORE THE END OF THE 93 PLAYOFFS look closer at this revenue source.

Hey if you ask to take a look at the picture, you better be ready to see the 
negative too.

Warren
From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: NHLSTATS: Revised Schedule and Upcoming Posts
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:18:16 GMT
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando

Below is the revised schedule for the end of the regular season. The player
stats will resume assuming that the box scores are delivered as before. Team
stats will be posted today (Sunday) and at the end of the season (Thursday).
Individual team stats and schedules will be posted when each team's season
ends (most teams on Wednesday, and the others on Thursday). If you DON'T want
to see all of these posts (about 45), put NHLSTATS in your kill file for at
least a few days.

Playoff stats will be posted like last year. Player stats will be done too.
An attempt will be made to include PIMs (and maybe GP), but I will not make
a promise at this time (depends on the availability of stats or cooperation of
up to 8 team contacts).

Tom

                                 April
    Sun       Mon       Tue       Wed       Thu       Fri       Sat
+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+
!         !         !         ! 1       ! 2       ! 3       ! 4       !
+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+
! 5       ! 6       ! 7       ! 8       ! 9       !10       !11       !
+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+
!12       !13       !14       !15       !16       !17       !18       !
!Que @ Bos!Har @ Bos!Buf @ Que!Bos @ Mon!Cal @ Van!         !         !
!Mon @ Buf!Pit @ NJ !Chi @ StL!Que @ Buf!Min @ StL!         !         !
!Win @ Cal!NYI @ Was!Det @ Min!Cal @ SJ !Pit @ NYR!         !         !
!Det @ Chi!Tor @ Phi!Win @ Edm!Har @ Phi!Win @ SJ !         !         !
!SJ  @ Edm!         !Van @ LA !NJ  @ NYI!         !         !         !
!Phi @ Har!         !         !NYR @ Tor!         !         !         !
!LA  @ Van!         !         !Was @ Pit!         !         !         !
!StL @ Min!         !         !         !         !         !         !
!Was @ NJ !         !         !         !         !         !         !
!NYI @ Tor!         !         !         !         !         !         !
+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+
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From: cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI)
Subject: Re: Penguins retain cup ?
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 03:41:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.221443.21724@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> obaidr@bullet.ecf (OBAID ARIF) writes:
>Now that the playoff's have been cancelled, does this mean that the Pens
>keep the Cup ?
>Or is it that the Cup will be placed in a neutral place since no one is the
>Champ this year ?
>
>Boy, is this confusing......
>
>Arif [ scratching my head.... ]  Obaid
>

I figure that simply by default, they should ship the Cup over to Montreal.
It makes sense, doesn't it?   :-)   :-)

--Dave
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From: cs902117@ariel.yorku.ca (TONY D'ALFONSO)
Subject: Re: Consecutive seasons over .500
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:13:13 GMT

Dave, and the rest of you Adams division team fans (except for the Nords fans),
It's not hard to make the playoffs when you have a team like Quebec in your
division.  What's their road record? 1-29-8?  Hey, right now they're tied with
the Caps road record of 74-75 in wins, 1.  
 
I find it disgusting that a team like Hartford, who was not on a 5 game losing
streak, nor on a 10 game losing streak, but a 2 MONTH losing streak?  Come on!
Any team in the Patrick's who would play that lousy would be out of the playoff
race since around the halfway mark of the season!

Which brings me to my next point.  Why the heck is that Patrick's division so
competitive this year?  The Isles are out of the playoffs and they're on the
verge of making it to a .500 season!  Well, then again, a few years back, when
the Isles did hang on to first place in their division with 88 points, the team
that did make it and the two knocked out (New Jersey, N.Y.R, Pittsburgh) all
had 80 points.  The entire division was above .500!  

The reason that Montreal has such a great record is because they play Hartford
and Quebec 8 times a year, and in the playoffs, the team that comes out of the
Patricks will be exhausted!  The funny thing is that is what I am hoping for!
I have predicted since day one in the season that it will be Vancouver vs
Montreal in the finals.  This year is Vancouver's year.  They had given L.A a
run for the money last year in the playoffs, that they gained confidence, then
with the addition of the players at the end of last year and the beginning of
this year, they built a good, solid team.  Much as the Isles will be next year.

Speaking of the Isles, (you knew this was coming), how about the way they 
did Minnesota a favour and ousted the Maple Leafs?  The Leafs were PATHETIC in
these past two games.  I was at the Isles/Leaf game and if you were watching 
it, did you happen to hear a loud (and annoying to Leaf fans) chant of "Let's
go Islanders"?  Most likely, that was me, but I wasn't alone that night, cheer-
ing for the Isles...  And what about the game against Washington?  They played
really well, and the goaltending is holding up very nicely!  Now it's 
Fitzpatrick's turn to rest his injury...

I think I said enough...  Any comments?  Suggestions?  Donations? :-)
 
    ____
     / o n y.
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Greedy Athletes
Date: 11 Apr 92 21:58:14 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr8.155813.1@sask.usask.ca> chin@sask.usask.ca (Glenn Chin) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.130714.12076@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>> As mentioned earlier, the value of a hockey franchise has gone up from
>> $1 million to $50 million in a very short time.
>
>But a real estate investor is unlikely to share any capital appreciation with
>the people whom s/he hired to maintain the property.  This is not to say
>players don't deserve some of the gains.

Maybe they do, maybe they don't.  But with such appreciation, it's hard
for the owners to honestly claim that they're losing money.  Even if
they have negative cash flow, they're still making a sizable return.

>> Now, who are the fans paying money to see?  Wayne, or Jerry Buss?  So
>> why does the owner get twice as much as Wayne?
>
>So investors who buy shares in, say, AT&T should not make more than
>AT&T employees, since the investors don't directly contribute to the products?

Well, that's hard to say whether that's true or not: AT&T has thousands
of employees; I'd imagine that the ratio of total salaries/benefits paid
to AT&T employees to dividends paid to AT&T stockholders is higher than
the comparable figures in the NHL.
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1307 E 60 St, #109 +  hat."  -- District attorney explaining Marc Cienkowski's
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Chi, IL 60637      +  Doylestown Borough, PA over a game of Monopoly.