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From: subbarao@fc.hp.com (Kartik Subbarao)
Subject: Re: Interesting ticket....
Originator: news@nimaster
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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:10:16 GMT

In article <14204@pogo.wv.tek.com> randyg@pogo.wv.tek.com (Randy Gibbons;6853178;63-356;LP=A;P0fG) writes:
>I sent something to Edward on this but now that I think about it, it seems 
>worth posting to the net.  If Edward feels the ticked was unfair then this
>may be worth pursuing.  If on the other hand he was speeding then why even
>ask?  If the speeding ticket was a consequence of his actions, then accept it.
>Why is there such a strong tendency to avoid the consequences of our actions?

You speak as if you think that speeding really is "wrong" and you should be
punished for it. 

Most people who speed don't think so, and believe that highway speed limits
are unrealistic and simply means for revenue enhancement.

	-Kartik
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Subject: Re: How to answer the Officer when pulled up?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:51:36 GMT


In article <C08x23.Kpr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> gill@eagle.sangamon.edu (Warren Gill) writes:
>Henri R Helanto (hhelanto@vipunen.hut.fi) wrote:
>> In <1992Dec30.193437.26773@news2.cis.umn.edu> prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
>> >When the cop came by and asked me, "Do you know what speed
>> >you were going at?" I replied, "35!"
>>
>> 	Rule #2: Speak as little as possible. If they bothered to
>> 		 stop you, they'll fine you anyway. Don't bother 
>> 	 	 to be nice to them.
>> 
>        Wrong!  Just because they stopped you does *NOT* mean you are
>going to get a ticket.

That depends on the cop. Chicago cops won't bother to pull you over
unless they've alredy decided to write you. I suppose in smaller towns
the cops might have less stuff to do and therefore pull you over out of
boredom, leaving open the possibility of letting you off with a warning, but
that's definitely not true everywhere.

Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: worden@bouncer.nsc.com (Dennis Worden)
Subject: Re: How to answer the Officer when pulled up?
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:05:44 GMT

In article <58183@dime.cs.umass.edu>, kim@themis.cs.umass.edu (JOHN B. KIM) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec31.213618.4042@island.COM> jennifer@island.COM (J.S.Jackson - Dances with Nerds) writes:
|> 
|> If you tell the officer, "No, I don't know how fast I was going."
|> then you run the risk of him assuming you weren't paying attention.
|> 
The problem with saying that you don't know how fast you were going is
that you have just eliminated any defense in court.  The first thing the
officer will say under oath is that he asked you how fast you were going,
and that you answered that you didn't know.  When you testify, you either
admit lying to the officer (frowned upon by the courts) or you admit to
lying in court.  If you want to play it tough, you can answer that you 
do know how fast you were going, but don't tell him.  This usually develops
into a number of interesting and varying responses depending upon the
officer.

-- 
Dennis Worden, not representing $  When the TEAM succeeds, you succeed,
anybody, not even himself, in   $  but when the Team fails, you're FIRED.
any way shape or form.          $  Don't EMAIL me at worden@berlioz.nsc.com
From: grant@pentagon-gw.army.mil (Pete Grant)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Left lane road hogs (again)
Date: 6 Jan 93 02:03:39 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Artificial Intelligence Center


Well, back from another round trip from Washington DC to Miami.  
Once again, the traffic was horrible and, to make matters
worse, it seemed that all the left lane road hogs were out
there in droves -- more so than ever..  

It seems so amazing -- some guy is stuck behind a road hog
for miles and miles, then, when the car in front finally
moves over, the second car becomes the hog and stays that
way for miles and more miles.  You'd think he had realized
how aggravating the situation is and resolve not to do the
same to those behind him when he's the one in the front.
Ha!  I must've been smoking dope to have faith in the average
driver to do the right thing.

Is there someone in the audience who drives a green Mustang
with VA Tech decal and license plate "1FOR50"?  If so, I
would like to suggest that you take a peek in your rearview
mirror sometime and observe the circus behind you.
You might find it amusing, watching all those drivers
desperately try to find a way to get around you!

I must admire your cleverness.  After watching the "circus"
slowly catching up with me (I was on the right lane doing 65),
you caught up, then slowed and began to drive side
by side with me.  I attempted to open up a space for others
to pass by picking up some speed.  You picked up your speed
too, then backed off again when I slowed down to 65 again.
When I finally got perturbed and just dumped off the gas,
you quickly sped up and caught up with the car in front of
me and began the same scenario.

Actually, I'm being kind to you by assuming you were clever.
It seemed to me that you weren't even aware what you were
doing as you appeared to be completely engrossed in listening
your stereo -- I could hear it through the closed windows.

Anyway, just thought I'd mention it.  

P.S.  Nobody thinks one is a wimp if he drives in the right
lane once in a while.
From: mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Do HOV lanes work?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 13:27:15 -0500
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. - Vienna, Va.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilligan.east.sun.com

In article <C0FzLJ.M4E@inews.Intel.COM> jreece@sousa.intel.com writes:
>during rush hour you rarely find a police officer in a school zone with a
>radar gun or staking out an intersection.  They all out at the expressway 
>hoping to bag those evil HOV criminals.
>

I'd be surprised (No, I can't prove this) if HOV lanes don't
actually make things worse, in terms of pollution and gen-
eral misery in urban areas.

It seems to me that the resultant backups on alternate routes
due to HOV restriction avoidance would cause more pollution/
other harmful effects than just letting traffic flow down the
major corridors unrestricted. I'm sure they make rush hours
last longer, because commuters are forced off the expressways,
and onto side routes, which do not move as fast.

I know the idea is to encourage carpooling, alternative tran-
sport, etc., but HOV seems like a really poorly thought out
ram-it-down-their-throats solution to me...

As far as criminalization goes, they have an 800-number here.
All someone has to do is take your tag, call it in, and you
get a ticket. Even better than photo radar... Be kind to your
fellow man, or he may scream "Witch!", and point at you...

-- Mike

----------------------------------------------------------------
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From: leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence LEONG)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:14:37 GMT
Subject: Revenue collection, Aussie-style
Organization: HP Singapore
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving

Just got back from Perth, Australia.  Noticed that 'planes are also used for 
speed traps (familiar lines across road and posted warnings).

One day out of town, noticed a cop standing behind a VCR-like contraption.
Device was mounted on a tripod, connected to several black boxes on the
ground.  Cop was sighting at oncoming traffic (around a bend) thru this
device.

Was this photo radar, or laser, or something else?  Anyone know?  I assume 
this was for revenue collection.  And no, I was not caught.

curious
Lawrence

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo)
Subject: Re: Before Buying Japanese.
Organization: Chicago Home for the Morally Challenged
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:52:24 GMT


> 
> >4. A portion of the profits from every car will be paid to car magazine 
> >   writers in the form of "consultation fees" to insure that they will
> >   ignore any flaws in the Saturn, inflate performance figures, and 
> >   create a big hoopla about any minor problem with cars built by
> >   other companies. 
> 
> I've never heard of these "consultation fees," where can I find out more?
> In any event, why couldn't any other offshore car companies pay similar
> alleged consultation fees, thereby eliminating any advantage?  Or if the
> offshore companies refuse to pay on moral grounds, why don't they trumpet
> the fact, thereby gaining their own advantage?
> 
> In reality, most car enthusiast magazines will never really damn any model
> they test- rather, "all cars today are outstanding."  The consumer magazines...
> I can't figure out where they're coming from.


This information was published in The Wall Street Journal about two years ago.
The WSJ can hardly be called biased, they just threw a turd pie in Ford's face
over the Bronco.

The article detailed the network of payoffs to writers in nearly all of the 
major car magazines by Japanese car manufacturers. These take the form of 
free trips at their expense, monthly retainer checks paid for advice, and 
consultation also fat checks for doing free-lance writing directly for these
companies. And, they are given free cars for "extended evaluation".  These 
are benefits above and beyond what they are paid by their primary employers.
The only exception that I remember was Road and Track which consistently
report performance figures lower than other car magazines, and report more
flaws in Japanese cars.   The article contained more information and more
types of kickbacks. All you need to do is find an index for the WSJ, look 
it up on microfilm, and read it. Any good library should have it. As to
the question of why this wasn't made more of, The Wall Street Journal isn't
exactly the Podunk Star, is it?


                                                    Larry
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From: southiea@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Southiere Alain)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Toyota Celica Oil light problem
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:20:12 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <1993Jan7.200826.13549@samba.oit.unc.edu> Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@launchpad.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy) writes:
>I have a problem with an '84 Toyota Celica ST which no mechanic
>seems to be able to fix. (Maybe click and clack?) The oil light
>comes on after driving for about 20 minutes when the RPM drops 
>below 750-800. 
>
>Increasing the RPM above 800 solves the problem,
>but since I have a stick shift this is quite annoying. And,
>I wonder if this is indicative of some major problem. (There
>is enough oil in the engine.)
>
>Anybody had this happen to them? Thanks for any help.

   I had a similar problem with my car and it was simply a bad sending unit.
Is the oil pressure sending unit being checked on your car ?
>
>Sthan.
>--
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>     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
>        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
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-- 
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--------------------------| You might find you get what you need !
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: Car dealers
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
	<1993Jan6.110906.3693@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au>
	<1993Jan11.003544.5756@netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:34:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.003544.5756@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

   In article <1993Jan6.110906.3693@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> patrick@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:

   >Toyota dealers have nothing to do with Toyota. Toyota is a manufacturer
   >_not_ a vendor. 

   This is technically true, but a very poor attitude for the manufacturer
   to take.  I know of no other end-user commodity in which the maker gives
   the suppliers the latitude that the carmakers give their dealers.  And
   whether valid or not, most customers will associate the maker with the
   dealer.  Were I a carmaker, I'd be living in my dealers' shorts, making
   sure they weren't sullying my reputation and damaging future revenue
   prospects.

I guess you've never bought a camera or a computer.
Most generic PC's I see nowadays doesn't even have
the manufacturer's name on them.  Instead, there's a place
to the dealer to put a sticker with his/her logo.
From: psanders@ll.mit.edu (Pete Sanders)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 87 Escort problem
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:26:16 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Originator: psanders@ll.mit.edu (Pete Sanders)



>	I have a question for escort owners out there. My Mom's Escort (1987,
>fuel injected) has developed a rough idle within a matter of days. It now has
>lost power and hesitates. I think it may be a sensor of some sort that has
>failed. Maybe the oxygen sensor. If anyone has experienced the same problem,
>and has found the cause, please E-mail me.
>
>
>	Thanks
>
>	Pete
>
>	psanders@ll.mit.edu


	I found the problem (with the help of a freinds diagnostic computer).
The problem was the idle speed dashpot or solonoid. It allows the computer to
adjust the engines idle speed acording to its temperature and other conditions.
The test computer picked it up right away. It was a $80.00 part and it was easy
to install.

	Thanks for all the responses.

	Pete
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Car dealers
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:31:48 GMT

In article <PHR.93Jan10173424@napa.telebit.com> phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin) writes:

>In article <1993Jan11.003544.5756@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

>   This is technically true, but a very poor attitude for the manufacturer
>   to take.  I know of no other end-user commodity in which the maker gives
>   the suppliers the latitude that the carmakers give their dealers.  And
>   whether valid or not, most customers will associate the maker with the
>   dealer.  Were I a carmaker, I'd be living in my dealers' shorts, making
>   sure they weren't sullying my reputation and damaging future revenue
>   prospects.

>I guess you've never bought a camera or a computer.
>Most generic PC's I see nowadays doesn't even have
>the manufacturer's name on them.  Instead, there's a place
>to the dealer to put a sticker with his/her logo.

I can't respond to the camera issue.

In the case of computers -- that's been reduced to a commodity sale,
and many of the sales are VARs in nature.  Besides, in the case of
Mylex (the only computer mfg. whose product I bought) they stayed
on top of my satisfaction.
-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
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From: 01ksdavis@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Rebel without a pause.)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Bill Gates 959 for sale? the rumor continues..
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:07:20 GMT
Organization: BSU Journalism Dept.

In article <1993Jan11.220918.21483@pencom.com>, stecz@pencom.com (John Steczkowski) writes:
> I thought I'd start a rumor...
> 
> I saw an ad in Autoweek for a 959 for sale in California in the 408 area code.  
> (I realize Gates is in Washington), but it looks suspicious to me.  Isn't the  
> rumour that Bill Gates has his 959 in some customs warehouse in California?
	If we are talking about the same Bill Gates of Microsoft, then I believe
he has enough money to do whatever he wants to.  Such is the case in America.
> 
> --
>   John Steczkowski                        stecz@pencom.com
> "Racing is life. Whatever happens before or after is just waiting."
>                                          --Steve McQueen in Le Mans

	If we are talking about some other guy, it could just be somebody with a
very convincing kit car (they have what appears to be a 959 convertible kit car
out for the bug.)
-- 
1234567890223456789032345678904234567890523456789062345678907234567890823456789?
	Kyle S. Davis		01ksdavis@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu?	R R 2 BOX 103
Disclaimer:  If anybody else has my opinions,                   Alexandria, IN
then I have been cloned while sleeping!                            46001
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ACUS05@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Paul Anderson)
Subject: Re: Removing decals from windows
Organization: Motorola
Date: 6 Jan 1993 09:58:36 MST

scott@phelixsalt writes:
>
>Hello,
>
>   What's the best way to remove decals (expired parking stickers) from
>the inside of a car window?

I have always found a razor blade to be the best to remove the decal.
As for the remaining glue residue, a paper towel with nail polish remover
work excellent.  If you use the lemon scented, it will not get to you as
quick.

If the decal is over defogger elements, my suggestion is leave it alone.
The danger of damaging the elements is to great in my opinion.


*============================================================================*
*                                *    __________                             *
* Paul Anderson                  *   /          \___   Exceptional Vehicles  *
*   ACUS05@WACCVM.CORP.MOT.COM   *  __Range_Rover__        are for         *
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ua308@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Andreas Tovornik)
Subject: Excellent Deal
Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:49:06 GMT



I have made many deals on cars, but this is one of the best.
There was this kid whose grandfather died, and left him a 1980
Chrysler New Yorker with all the gadgets and a stainless steel
top. 

The car has 60000 miles on the original 360 V8, and runs like
new. The leather interior is in perfect condition and still
smells new. The three cigarette lighters have never been used,
and the original dark-brown paint doesn't have a scratch!

THe kid advertised it in the local paper as coming  complete
with all service records. Price? $5000.

I called him up asking why he wanted to sell. Answer: "I want
a babe magnet, Dude!"

Being the Torque Monger, I drove up in my '87 Formula and his
eyes BUGGED OUT when he saw it. One door doesn't match, the
exhaust is shot, the seats are full of cig burns, and the car
needs new tires. I didn't have the  1200 Canadian Dollars
required to re-shoe the Flaming Chicken. The car has 85000
miles on it, and it blows a bit of blue smoke (worn-out valve
seats) upon starting in the morning.

The deal: I needed a big car for my upcoming cruise into the
Yukon, so I traded. Brand loyalty? Who cares when it's such
a cherry machine?

I finally went MOPAR, believe it or not. Besides, the NY'er
has new Royal Seal tires, and the kid gave me a check for
$ 1700 Canadian at my insistence. Rich kids? Gotta love 'em.

He paid me to take my troules away, and gave me a cream puff!

Torque Monger
From: jslee@nrtc.nrtc.northrop.com (John Lee <jslee>)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: GM Paint peels!
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:43:00 GMT
Reply-To: jslee@nrtc.nrtc.northrop.com (John Lee)
Distribution: na


In article <1ihm8qINN593@armory.centerline.com> chapman@centerline.com writes:
>I head in the news the other day, that many (and I mean MANY) of GM cars model
>years between '88 - '92 are prone to having their paint delaminate (just
>peel right off). 
>
>Consequently GM is doing a "silent" recall (meaning if you complain about it,
>they will fix it, but they will not tell you about it otherwise).

Chevrolet repainted my entire 88 Beretta under this program; the dealer
was billing GM $1700 for it.

It's a shame that GM has to eat this expense; they are not "really"
to blame for it.  Between the EPA not allowing them to use the
"right" materials for a good paint job and the paint manufacturers
not being able to come with EPA-approved alternatives, stuff like
this will happen.  It's especially bad in Southern California, which
has its own mini-EPA. And you wonder why business after business are
relocating out of California. Air gets cleaner but no one left to
enjoy it.

Foreign cars painted outside the USA have no EPA-type restrictions, so the
paint jobs look good. Wait til they get body work done in the USA though...

Ford car paint is peeling and Ford is saying TOUGH LUCK!!  
JSLee
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: impact is dead
Date: 4 Jan 1993 21:48:13 GMT
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202

bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes:
>>>Gasoline at
>>>$1.25/gal and a car that gets 20mpg costs only $0.38 a day; still
>>>greater than $0.25 (if we can believe that) but far less than $2.  A
>>>Geo Metro would cost you only $0.15 a day.

>>   That assumes that you don't have to start the car, which
>>consumes four times the gas while its cold and waiting at stop
>>lights.  Sure, if the car was warm and I could do 60 for the
>>three miles, it would only be .1 gallons. However, what I did is
>>divide the price I pay at the pump be the actual miles driven. My
>>IC car gets 30 mpg on the freeway.

My IC car gets 27mpg in the city, including all those terrible cold
starts and stop lights.  The worst I've ever seen was 24mpg.  The cost
difference between that type of car an an EV is negligible.

>>>stupid the rest of us are for driving ICE vehicles.  Your "80%" EVs are
>>>a fantasy when you look at the efficency of power plants, transfer
>>>lines, substations, and current battery technology.

>>   You IC types like to use this argument, but I've yet to see
>>actual figures.

[...]

>If you want to see the results of some very good research into this
>matter, may I suggest an article in Car and Driver within the past
>year and a half or so.

It was one of the first six issues of '92.  I think it was March, but
I don't remember exactly.  It was a very well written article, even
going into some detail on current battery research.

It would be unwise to believe that power plants are more than 25-30%
efficient at best, even neglecting the considerable line losses.  The
batteries themselves aren't even *that* efficient.  All told, you're
probably seeing no more than 5% efficiency from the power producer
(coal, oil, whatever) to the power consumer (the electric motor) in
current EV's because of accumulated losses (I'm being gracious, it's
probably a lot lower than that).  It's only economy of scale that
makes electricity cheaper than gasoline -- not overall system
efficiency.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the drop in efficiency is
going to pretty much even out the economy of scale gains from a
pollution standpoint.  You've merely moved the point of pollution from
a distributed network to a central point.  That's probably good for
Southern Cal, but it's bad for people near the power producers.

BTW, my only comment on "clean" nuclear reactors is that they just
produce a different kind of pollution, one which we haven't the
vaguest idea what to do with.  This doesn't strike me as a good idea.

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com