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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Cowboys can kick Bills Butt
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:07:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.193916.26106@coe.montana.edu> icsu0182@cs.montana.edu (Sean) writes:
>The fact
>remains that the Cowboys and the Skin match up pretty well, and the two 
>games last year show that fact.  
The two games last year weren't playoff games. 

>Just because the Skins were at home in the playofffs doesn't mean anything.  
Why not? look at how difficult it is to win on the road in January. Why 
doesn't it mean anything? Just think what if the Cowboys had played the 
Lions at Texas Stadium. 

>If you will remember the season last year,
>the Cowboys beat the Skins, at home at RFK, and Emmit Smith had over 
>100 yds rushing, the only back to do that in 5 consecutive games against
>the Skins in quite some time.  
That's exactly the reason why the Redskins were favorites, because the
Boys beat them at RFK during the regular season. Look at the 11-3 record 
of similiar situations since 1980.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Power Ratings after week 4
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 30 SEP 92 16:58:41    

In article <16872C065.TSTEEGM3@ua1vm.ua.edu>, TSTEEGM3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tom Steegmann) writes...

>          OK, netters, after watching some of the power ratings here,
>my associate Jon Acker and I have devised our own.  I am in the process
>of writing a simple c program to automate this a bit. I hate the pen
>and paper method.  All statistics are from todays USA Today.  Today,
>the AFC, tommorrow the NFC and overall.

Anybody can come up with power ratings.  How's your predictability?  
My program is 38-14 for the year.

JGH
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From: minocha@cae.wisc.edu (Punit Minocha)
Subject: Test 
Organization: college of Engineering
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:11:15 CDT

This is a test: please ignore

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From: kschnitz@encore.com (Kevin Schnitzius)
Subject: Re: Cowboys vs Eagles
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:31:04 GMT

Hi Mauro,

At this point you are aware of the outcome of the game.  I wish to 
point out at this point that you were wrong -- way wrong.  The Boys
do not match evenly and "alot" is two words.  I would have passed
on this pathetic post if you hadn't included the stupid banner-font
cowboys crap at the end.  Your post is included for your edification.

>What'cha gonna do[?]
Party.  "What'cha" doing?
--
mr asynchronous                                   kschnitzius@encore.com


In <1992Oct2.195124.20521@exu.ericsson.se>  
  lmcmasc@noah.ericsson.se (Mauro Schena) writes:
>Well let`s put it into perspective. The Eagles have a much better
>defense than the Cowboys. The specialty teams, the edge has got 
>to go to the Cowboys. The Cowboys specialty teams have already 
>scored 14 points. The Cowboys match evenly if not better than
>the Eagles. The Cowboys have alot more talent than the Eagles
>at the skill positions. 
>
>Notes:
>Emmit Smith will have a big game!
>Alvin Harper will catch at least 1 TD!
>Troy Aikman will play good enough to WIN!
>
>Prediction:
>Cowboys - 27
>Eagles  - 23
>
>I guess the Eagles don't cover the 6 point spread?
>
>
>************************************
>*What'cha gonna do when the COWBOYS*
>*run wild on you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*
>************************************
>
> 
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>
>
>Mauro.
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Marinovich and the Raiders
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:31:09 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <BvG8Fo.JEz@encore.com>, dtodd@wizard.encore.com (Donald Todd) writes:
>Has anybody heard and rumors/facts about Todd Marinovich?  After his
>terrible performance, I was wondering if he will be starting this
>weekend.

As far as I know, Todd will be starting.  However, TE coach Terry Robiskie
will no longer be calling the plays.  This task will now fall to offensive
assistant Tom Walsh.  It will be interesting if this spices up the Raider's
rather vanilla offense.  I would like to see them go to more of a short
passing game, which would highlight Todd's strengths.  With Marcus Allen in
the backfield, they should run more screen passes.

--Rob
	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"Well, he's not the most intelligent guy in the world."
			--MTV VJ Duff, on dinner partner Christian Laettner
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Vikings vs Bears
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:41:00 GMT

In article <910427m.18.718290642@ace.acadiau.ca> 910427m@ace.acadiau.ca (JASON MATTHEW MCDONALD) writes:
>
>
>I love it when Ditka gets pissed off!  Did you see him after the game?  At a 
>press conference he was telling the press that he 'did not want to risk the 
>careers of 45 men just because one kid thinks he knows more than me.  If 
>this happens again, there will have to be some changes'
>
I especially liked the "classic" Ditka sideline reaction and subsequent
tongue lashing Harbaugh received. Ditka's press conference's are also
classics. The MAN looks totally explosive and he is trying to "control"
his anger. I feel sorry for any player that crosses him. He might be an
"old" guy, but his presence is very intmidating to this day.
>
>This ain't an exact quote, but you get the idea, I assume that he's talking 
>about the interception that harbaugh threw to hand the Vikings the second 
>biggest comeback in history.
>
That is exactly what he was referring to. Harbaugh said during one of the
man interviews he had that basically, he COULD NOT call any more audibles.
IMHO, Ditka over reacted. True the QB made a mistake, but a QB is the
leader out there and he should be able to call audibles as he sees them.
In this case, Harbaugh made a mistake and should have thrown the ball
WAY out of bounds. Oh well.
>
>Oh yeah, I've got nothing against Ditka, he's one of my favorite NFL 
>personalities, it just so happens that his best is being Really Mad at Punk 
>QBs Who Just Don't Listen.
>
True.
-- 
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  Let us be thankful for the fools; but for them the rest
  of us could not succedd.  -   Mark Twain
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Intentional Grounding
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 01:27:56 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <4OCT92.20452420@vax.clarku.edu> htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>Has this rule been altered lately?
>
>I saw it called against Marino and Kelly today, when neither seemed
>to be under pressure. Both were throwing into the end zone.

 The rules  haven't changed, the  umpire was just being very nasty (though
consistent) with his calling of it.  The rule states something to the effect
that if in the umpires judgement, the QB threw the ball away intentionally
for the purpose of avoiding a loss of yardage, then it is intentional 
grounding.  I am glad they were consistent, but believe it was a bad call
on both situations.

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From: aephel01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: B$@eball crap
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:24:01 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

 In article <0emUe0200WB2QIlnwj@andrew.cmu.edu>, Christopher Glenn Huegle <ch44+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> The reason it is amplified in football (as compared to baseball) is
> because football is a TEAM sport.  A reciever can't catch the ball if
> the QB doesn't get it there.  A defensive back will have trouble getting
> interceptions if there is no pressure on the opposing QB.  This means
> it matters a lot more who is on your team than in baseball where a player
> can bat .310 with 30 homers and 100rbi for any team in the league.
> So basically, if free agency lives, dynasties will be common place and
> the Steelers' 70's dynasty will eventually be considered brief.
> 

What the hell is this baseball crap?  You have sinned.  Why write about
some pussy sport in the group for the greatest events in history?  I
don't give a shit if some guy can hit a ball with a stick and run around
on some lines.  Can he drive someone into the ground?  Can he throw a ball
over fifty yards and nail a man between the numbers?  Or how about taking
the ball and running while shedding tackles attempted by huge linemen and
DBs.

Fuck baseball!

-- no sig necessary --
       Aza
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 30 Sep 1992 22:09:54 CDT
From: <U58582@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Chicago BEARS Stats. Week #4

Subject: Chicago BEARS STATS : wk #4

TEAMS

Chicago BEARS(1-2) vs Atlanta FALCONS(1-2)

GAME SUMMARY

               BEARS*      Opponent
Pts              41          31
Rushing         217          24
Pass Att         24          48
Pass Yds        280         351
Fum Lost        0-0         1-0
Poss          34:39       25:21

PASSING

Harbaugh  18-24-0-280 2P

RUSHING

Muster       10-96  T
Anderson     15-74 2T
Harbaugh      5-21
Davis         1-21
Green         2-3
Lewis         3-2

RECEIVING

Anderson     6-80           Blackwell    1-18
Waddle       3-62 T         Davis        1-11 T
Muster       3-51           Lewis        1-9
Jennings     2-25
Wright       1-24

KICKING

Butler  2F (20,21) 5X

SACKS

Armstrong 1, McMichael 1, Ryan 1

INTERCEPTIONS

Markus Paul 1

INJURIES


SUMMARY NOTES

BEARS rushing and passing was just too good for FALCONS passing in spite
of very poor BEARS defense in the 2nd half where Atlanta outscored BEARS
24-10.  Harbaugh came up with career best performance in QB ratings.
Anderson and Muster were too much (301 yds.) for the FALCONS defense.

OTHER NOTES
Kevin Butler equalled Walter Payton's career record for most points scored
by a BEAR. (750)

*= Home Team
P=Touchdown Passes Thrown
T=Touchdowns Scored
F=Field Goals Scored (number in parens is distance)
X=Extra Point Scored
PASSING: completions, attempts, interceptions, yards, TD passes


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From: schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Schmidt Computer Rankings through 29-Sep-92
Date: 30 Sep 1992 19:08:08 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

Corby.E.Page@dartmouth.edu (Corby E. Page) writes:

>In article <1aaeg0INN2ff@gap.caltech.edu>
>schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt) writes:

>> 11   Houston                   73.476   3-1-0  67.823  (  7,  75.092)  -4

>Just out of curiosity, how could Houston's 27-0 triumph over the
>Chargers cause the Oilers to DROP 4 points in your rankings?

First, they dropped four PLACES in the rankings but only dropped 1.616
POINTS.

Second, my rankings continue to use  each game played during the season
so if a previous opponent moves up, that will cause you to move up and
if they move down, you will move down.  These effects can have more
effect than you might think.

Kevin
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From: kstell@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (kevin.l.stell)
Subject: Re: NFC Central
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 09:41:38 GMT



AHEM:

Lets face facts: The Lions are 1-3. THe Lions losses this year are to
CHICAGO, WASHINGTON and TAMPA. Last year the lions lost to CHICAGO, WASHINGTON,
TAMPA and SF. They went 12-4. This year they were in EVERY gamae unlike
last year. In fact, they could just as easily be 4-0 as 0-4.

I would say that the prevent defense has more to do with there losses, then
say..emotional highs or whatever. Like at it this way, everyone has slumps...
Theirs is just in the begining of the season. Still a long way to go !!!!


Let us see when the play-offs begin, who's where
From: rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner)
Subject: Re: Jets (or Propellers)
Keywords: Jets, Fish v Bills 
Reply-To: rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:16:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.121700.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>,
cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
> 
> 
>         Ooooooh, what about those Jets! Where are all those people who only
> a few short weeks ago were saying the Jets would surpass Miami and challange
> the Bills for the division. It's still early but I don't think the dolphins
> will lose more than 5 games this regular season and the Bills probably won't
> lose more than 3 or 4.
> 
>                            -doug the dolfan-

Has anyone ever accused you of being objective?
Probably not, but thats OK since I'm a Dolphin
fan as well.  Isn't it great to be in a division
with 3 really inept teams (Pats, colts and Jets)
but before we get too down on the jets remember 
they do match up well against the dolphins.  They
run the ball well (statistically they dominated the
rams - from what I saw in the paper) and I'm yet
to be convinced that our defense is going to be
able to stop a good running team.   I think Miami's
success hinges on its running game and the ability
to punch the ball in for TD's.  It's getting a bit
frustrating with all these field goals.  Though when
the games have been on the line the offense has
come through - so far.  This weeks Buffalo game
will provide an indication of how good the team really
is.  For Miami to beat Buffalo they have to mount
sustained drives and score TD's not FG's.  The defense
will have to limit Buffalo to FG's -  its doubtful if
they can stop them from getting big yardage.
(My prediction Buffalo 35 - Miami 24)
Overall I think the dolphins are good for 10 wins and a
wild card spot in the playoffs - they're bound to drop
some games to teams they should beat.

Richard Turner
(I knew the seahawks would be tough against Miami)
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From: scmattic@IASTATE.EDU (Felix the Cat)
Subject: Saint's Schedule???????
Reply-To: scmattic@IASTATE.EDU (Felix the Cat)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:27:24 GMT


HELP!!!!!!!

I'm a rabid Saints fan stuck in Iowa. What is the closest game the Saints will
play here?

K.C.?
Minnesota?


Thanks,

Steven M.
Iowa State University
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From: TSTEEGM3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tom Steegmann)
Subject: Re: Power Ratings after week 4
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:03:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.154332.20359@intelhf.hf.intel.com>
sting@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Joe Bennett) writes:
 
>
>In article <16872C065.TSTEEGM3@ua1vm.ua.edu> TSTEEGM3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tom Steegmann) writes:
>>          OK, netters, after watching some of the power ratings here,
>>my associate Jon Acker and I have devised our own.  I am in the process
>>of writing a simple c program to automate this a bit. I hate the pen
>>and paper method.  All statistics are from todays USA Today.  Today,
>>the AFC, tommorrow the NFC and overall.
>>
>>1.  Buffalo    29.1
>>2.  KC         27.7
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>3.  Miami      27.3
>>4.  Houston    27.3
>>5.  LA         27
>>6.  Pittsburgh 26.9
>>7.  San Diego  26.3
>>8.  NY Jets    25.7
>>9.  Seattle    25.1
>>10. Denver     24.4
>>11. Cleveland  24.4
>>12. Cincinnati 24.2
>>13. Indy       22.4
>>
>>     OK, before any whiny Broncos fan gets all hot and bothered that
>>LA is way above them, We'll see how you play them at LA.  I'm not
>>saying that I dont like Denver, but I think that they have been
>>pretty lucky to win 3, while the Raiders have gotten some tough breaks.
>>We have been tweaking the formula every day (Jon is an Eagles fan and
>>insists that an additional weight be given to defence, while I am a
>>Bills man. Offence is everything.) At any rate, we think that this is
>>a fairly well balanced rating system.  Let me know what you all think.
>
>Can you break this down between offense and defense?  While I'm a HUGE Chiefs
>fan, I find it hard to believe they are that close to Buffalo in total 'power'.
    OK, defence gets an extra 10% in the calculations.  The algorithm
involve   average offence and average defence, so they arent actually
broken up.  They are put through the magic formula as one unit, then
bonuses or penalties are assesed for special teams.  I'll post the
predicitions in a few minutes...
 
 
 
 
 
>Their defense is great, but they can't come close to scoring or yardage the
>way Buffalo does.
>
>Just $0.02
>
>Joe
>
>>
>>Tom Steegmann
>>SQUISH THE FISH
>>
>>
>
>
From: jmcbride@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: RAIDERS Problems
Date: 30 Sep 92 08:59:42 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin


In article <1992Sep29.222928.9410@ntmtv>, weitzeka@ntmtv.UUCP (Keith Weitzel) writes:
> Oh how the mighty have fallen.  The Raiders of no victories
> are still looking for one.  How long will this continue.
> The Raiders need to move back to Oakland.  There they had
> true fans.  They ALWAYS were sold out there. And what about
> their QB, come on Todd go back to school.  I think that
> some of the Raider players resent havin Todd in the Game.
> Todd is getting experience but at the cost of the older
> players.  And now Marcus Allen.  Allen wants to leave the
> Raiders because they are no longer commetted to winning.
>  
> Well, here is looking at a 12-4 season for the Raiders.

We should be so lucky!


james p mcbride
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From: centry@athena.mit.edu (Jae H Nam)
Subject: K.C. vs. Philly
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:07:21 GMT

Anybody out there who can fill me in on Kansas City's
strengths and weaknesses, I just know some general details
like...

They have an awesome rushing attack with Christian Okoye,
Barry Word, and some other guy's name that I can't remember.

I don't hear much about their passing attack (maybe there's
a good reason, eh?).  They got Krieg from the Seahawks and
he's number 10 on pass. ratings (had good game vs. Denver).

I've heard that their defense is a tough, NFC style "D".

Heard about their great linebacker Derrick Thomas.  Don't know
much about their defensive line or their secondary.  I assume
they're pretty solid.

They have a monster offensive line with everybody at around 300lbs.

I know absolutely nothing about their special teams at all.

Hope someone can give me more info.
Thanks.
From: mas@cray.com (Michael A. Sand)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: What's up with Anthony Thompson
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:27:02 GMT
Reply-To: mas@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

After Anthony Thompson was waived by Phoenix I saw that the Rams picked him
up. Since, then I haven't heard anyhing.  What's up with him?  

Thanks in advance,

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From: dward@scf.nmsu.edu (Dan Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Conservative Projections
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:40:15 GMT
Organization: New Mexico State University
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  After 5 games being played by most of the teams, I am ready
  to post MY projections.

   AFC:  Division Winners
         Buffalo
         Pittsburg
         Denver

         Wildcards
         Miami
         Oilers
         Kansas City

  I predict The Oilers will lose to Miami and Pittsburg will lose
  to Kansas City.  I expect Buffalo will beat Miami and John Elway 
  will go crazy in the last two minutes of the game against KC and
  throw one touch down and then run in a touch down to win by 2 points.

  I predict Elway will go crazy in the last two minutes against
  Buffalo and march his team down the field 80 yards so Denver can 
  win by a field goal to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl.

  NFC - Division winners
         Dallas
         Chicago
         Saints

     Wildcards:
         Phildephia
         Minisota
         San Francisco

  I predict Dallas will represent the NFC and will be ahead
  21 to 17 until the last two minutes.  And then, John Elway will
  go crazy in the last two minutes and will throw a hail mary pass
  in the last 10 seconds to win the game.  

  It looks like my boy, John, is going to go for the record in last minute
  come backs...Geez.  

     Dan
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dexter Carter
Date: 4 Oct 92 04:49:31 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell

In article <1992Oct4.020400.3056@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>In article <ccj=03mj9bja00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>>You 49er fans have never forgiven Dexter for being a number one draft pick 
>>have you? Dexter will do just fine as a situation back and kick returner for 
>>the Niners. That's what they drafted him for.
>
>Sorry, you've got it all wrong. First, it was never Dexter that we were
>upset with, it was the 49ers' management for picking him. And contrary
>
Right on the money. I don't believe the majority of Niner fans
blamed Carter. I for one kind of felt sorry for him because he was
been put in position he was not suited for.
>
> [ deleted other stuff ]
>
>>You guys amaze me in your inability to see the value of certain players in 
>>certain roles.
>
>This comment should not be directed at us 49er fans, it should be directed
>towards 49ers management. We fans have known all along how to get the most
>out of Carter; if you had been reading all the Carter posts for the last
>few years you would have realized that. Sure, there were scattered "get-rid-
>of-Carter" posts, but those were mostly the result of frustration with
>49ers management over their inability to use him correctly.
>
>=============================================================================
>Bob Marshall                     \\     "It ain't age
>Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.     \\     That makes me look this way
>Sunnyvale, CA                      \\    It ain't the years, boys,
>marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com\\   It's the miles"
>"I tell the truth 'cept when I lie"  \\     - Chris LeDoux
>=============================================================================

Well put Bob! I think the only whiners out there are the very ones
that say the Niner fan is a whiner. The Niner team has been a very
good team and still going strong. The 4 SB trophies attest to this. 
It seems other netters resent the Niners for their accomplishments. 
The 49ers have two current players, Montana & Rice, who are guaranteed 
a spot in the HALL OF FAME if they were to retire today. Another is
Ronnie Lott, who is another major screw up by the Niner management.
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  "Fact are facts and will not disappear on account of 
   your likes."  -   Jawaharlal Nehru
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