Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: HK Police's pistol
From: raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man)
Date: 6 Oct 92 11:11:54 MST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

In <ld3dd8INN343@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>,
likcheng@micron.Eng.Sun.COM (L. Cheng) responded to my 
<1992Oct5.181418.3806@arizona.edu> but digressed into a different thread:
>Well, 9mm never means to shoot target beyond 20 yards. It has moving barrel
>vs fixed barrel on revolvers. The advantage of 9mm is that it holds much
>more bullets (15-17) vs 6 bullets for revolver. 9mms are ussually semi-automatic 
>vs double action on revolver. In addition, 9mm bullets
>are in clip, so it's very quick and easy to reload. I guess RHKP use 9mm now
>is to give them more bullets to shoot :) :). I remember 13 years ago, a 
>policeman emptied all 6 rounds towards a run away robbery car, he became defenseless
>and he eventually was shot between his eye by the robber.  

You have some interesting ideas, maybe you would like to join in rec.guns

The original 9mm Parabellum Luger has an artillary model with sight out to
1,000 meters. It uses its own carrying case as the butt stock (that is why
we Chinese called it Bok[join] Hok[case] Look Ga[Luger], {BTW, if we just
say Bok Hok, it means the Mauser which we see so often in films about,
Dai[big] Tin[sky] Yee[two], Shanghai gangsters in the '20-'30s, who wrap
the gun muzzle up around their cloth belt}). Gee, talking about digress.

As for moving barrel vs fixed, I believe modern acccepted opinion is that
recoil operated(blow back and gas operated have fixed barrels, but Glock
is recoil operated) semi-automatics are just as accurate as any other. The
quality of the make is more important. I don't thing the old RHKP .38 Colt
is much more accurate than the Glock.

Of course you are right that 9mm is for semi-automatics and there are a lot
of discussion about the trigger pull of the Glock vs a double action
revolver on rec.guns. It is a common opinion that the Glock can be a direct
substitute for people use to double action revolver, in terms of safty and
handling. 9mm rounds rarely come in clips and few semi-automatics use clips.
The notable example of clip using gun is the Mauser. Most simply has a
detachable magazine which can be quickly exchanged for a fully loaded spare.

The story about the shooting I remember is like this. A big 0 gang robbed
a shop (jwellery etc.) and ran on foot. Bumping into an indian sargent,
they shot him fatally on the chest. A CID was nearby. He hide behind a car,
empty his revolver and then had to duck there to wait for the crooks to
shoot back. He was lucky that the crooks were busy running away with the
loots. Hence the police wants to have more firepower.

There are so many robberies in HK that I may have remember a different
incident. Anyway, the Red Star and Black Star the big 0 gangs have
hold only 7-8 rounds, so the difference is actually not that big. While
reloading with magazine is quick, there is speed-loader for revolver
too. If the crooks use type 56(=AK47), then RHKP should just carry their
AR-15(=M16) around like they do at the airport. Of course, the problem
is, I think, more constables are not qualified with the AR-15. I have
only seen Blue Berets carrying it.
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