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From: crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: in need of an explanation
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:47:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.171055.1711@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, smolivr@gestalt (Linda Oliver) writes:
> 
> married so our friendship was plutonic but there was always some kind of  
> spark or chemistry between us that neither could explain or understand.   
> Our relationship has since ended because his wife became very jealous and  
> made terrible accusations; she even went so far as to harass both my  
> husband and I at work.
> 
> Beginning with the first time I spoke with him up until recently I've  
> noticed that a spider will either be on my person or within very close  
> proximity of me whenever he's around.  The first few times I just ignored  
> (after the first time we spoke a spider had actually crawled inside my  
> shirt), the next few times I assumed were coincidental (once he walked in  
> my office in the dead of winter only to point out a spider within 6 inches  
> of me).  Our friendship is over, however, and recently I was talking about  
> him and noticed a spider crawling up my pant leg.  
> 

I'm wondering if everytime you saw this man, it was in the same building,
such as the place where you work?  If so, it would seem the spiders
pertain to the environment, not to the relationship.  The question to ask
yourself is how many times have you seen spiders when this man was NOT
present and/or you were not discussing him?   

If the answer is none -- if the set man/spider is invariable -- then I
would think about the spider relating to the jealous and angry wife and
assume the universe was giving you a hint about things.

Regards, Lou
From: lyn@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Myself)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: in need of an explanation
Date: 28 Aug 1992 19:55:30 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

mcmorris@vet.vet.purdue.edu (brandywine) writes:


>not all spider images are dark, and you needn't interpret it that way.
>THe spider is also the creature who creates its own world, cares for
>that world, and controls the world against outside forces.

>think more about how the spider affects the realtionship and who you
>think might be sending that image.

>also, I don't believe in coincidence.... so I don't think it could be
>that....

>the answer, I am sure, lies within...

>-brandywine

   Thus the 'origional' meaning of teh spider as a 'neutral' icon. Of course,
due to relative merit and general levels, most of the human race today (please
note the word MOST) see neutrality (or some semblance thereof) closer to mean,
evil, and various other 'negative' connotations. This is from personal events.
It is worse if the events seem to be 'randomly' neutral-an average of neutral,
from all points along the line. Besides, most people distrust anything that has
managed to create much worthwile, so a whole 'world' is definitely a trigger.

	Rambling on about all that is in mind,

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: grimoire@byron.u.washington.edu (John Greer)
Subject: Re: AGLA
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:25:52 GMT

My understanding was that it's the notariqon for "Ateh gibor leolam,
Adonai" -- "Thou art mighty forever, Lord."

In the pronunciation I was taught, it has three syllables: "Ah-ge-lah,"
with a hard "g".  So do the other names used in the LBRP:
YHVH: "Yeh-ho-wah"
ADNI: "Ah-doh-nye"
AHIH: "Eh-heh-yeh"
-- all three syllables drawn out, none accented more than the others.

I don't think that any of this is "good Hebrew" -- like any "sacred"
language taken out of its original context, the pronunciation will
have wandered.  (Check out the pronunciation of Sanskrit mantras in
Japanese occult practice sometime.)  Still, it seems to work quite
well in practice, which IMO is the point that matters.

--JMG


Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: jasonp@cunix4.Prime.COM (Jason R. Pascucci)
Subject: Re: Crowley's Significance? (Hitler)
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:30:31 GMT

In article <Gerald_Del_Campo.0099@sorinc.UUCP>, Gerald_Del_Campo@sorinc.UUCP (Gerald Del Campo) writes:
> In a message dated Sun 30 Aug 92  5:04, jasonp@cunix4.Prime.COM (Jason R.
> Pascucci) wrote:
> 
> What?????  Tell me how it is that you came to the knowledge of the aims of
> the balc magicians?  The term is relative.  The use of the word "black" in

You missed something. Read it again, make different assumptions,
and think about the Tree. 

> this context derives from religious ignorance.  To me, a Black Brother is
> some one who interferes with the Universal Will by constantly forcing some
> oppressive religious dogma on the rest of the world... and THIS my friend,
> is going to lead to the distruction of the world.
> 

That's a nice belief. 

> Meditation implies concentration and control of thought.  Try it sometime.

What a good idea!

> Of couse, you couldn't possibley be implying that he does not know himself.
> It is such a difficult task to know ones self, how much more difficult is
> it for you to Know him?

There is no more difficulty involved than knowing thyself. 

>  JRP> Perhaps happiness arises only from martyrdom.
> 
> It worked for Jesus.

Did it? 

>  JRP> Two students of the great Mu-mon walked down the road,
>  JRP> and, having walked far enough, met themselves. 
>  JRP> The first believed the image was god, and bowed to homage.
>  JRP> The second believed the image was god, and slew him, and continued.
>  JRP> Both were happy. Neither were enlightened. 
> 
> Love is the Law.
> Gerald
> 

-- 
Jason R. Pascucci
jasonp@primerd.prime.com

Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: shava@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Shava Nerad Averett)
Subject: Re: herbal freedom
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:44:00 GMT

Just a brief note:  I heard yesterday that the FDA is going to demand that
products without proven efficacy be removed from the OTC drugs.  These 
compounds include such proven nostrums as calamine lotion.  Without doing
extensive, and expensive, drug testing, apparently, the FDA doesn't want
to extend a ticket to anyone exept Ortho, Glaxo, Burroughs-Wellcome, and 
such...

Just as a note, the main industries of Durham NC are pharmaceuticals,
medical research/education, and tobacco...  Why does this seem oddly
appropriate...? ;)
-- 
Shava Nerad Averett				shava_averett@unc.edu
/*  all materials (c)1992, Shava Nerad Averett, and have nothing significant
    to do with the University of North Carolina, a mostly owned subsidiary 
    of the NC Legislature, a mostly owned subsidiary of the DOT.      */
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: uubrian@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (BRIAN BENTZ)
Subject: power points in france
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  3 Sep 1992 10:17 EST  

	I have a question for you all...  my girlfriend asked me this last
night and I drew a blank...  you know how there's supposed to be points
on the earth of intensified energy, like stonehenge and the pyramids?  Call
them power points, ley lines, whatever.. anyway, she was wanting to know
what ones existed in france... Can anybody remember reading of any or
hearing about them some time or another?  Thanks.

Brian
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*Brian Bentz         * 	Live not as though there were a thousand years      *
*UUBRIAN@            * 	ahead of you.  Fate is at your elbow; make yourself *
*lims02.lerc.nasa.gov*  good while life and power are still yours.          *
*                    *                            - Marcus Aurelius         *
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From: shaman@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (David Melton)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: mass of the phoenix
Summary: please repost it
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:59:54 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

Could somebody please repost the article mentioned in the subject line?
I missed it over the weekend.  

========  
 I(  )I     David A. Melton                      
 I \/ I     shaman@mentor.cc.purdue.edu                                        
 I /\ I     Priest, Our Lady of the Hourglass Wiccan Church  
 I(  )I     Blest be thee and thine!
========
-- 
========  
 I(  )I     David A. Melton                      
 I \/ I     shaman@mentor.cc.purdue.edu                                        
 I /\ I     Priest, Our Lady of the Hourglass Wiccan Church  
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling)
Subject: Glamories
Summary: How do i get rid of one safely?
Keywords: charm, glamorie, obsession
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 07:42:30 GMT

	One simple question.  I need a simple, effective, easy, and, at the same
time, unharmful way of eradicating a glamourie placed by one person onto another.
	I do not wan't this to jar the victim, nor attract the attention of the
initiator of the spell.
	And the things I should do on the side would be nice to know as well.

	Thanks,
			D


Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: Easter's date <was: Re: The pentagram>
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:13:25 GMT

ed@venuscmc.ca (Ed Antosz) writes:

>Specifically, Easter is the first Sunday after the first full moon after the
>22nd of March.  For pagans, March 22 is a major date in the spring, so
>Christianity in an attempt to "sell the product" set Easter up to be appealing
>to them and to intice them to convert.  

As I said before, the date of Easter is based on the date for Passover--not
any pagan calendar.  (Actually, I'm not sure that there were sustantial
celebrations of the Spring Equinox in European or Middle Eastern paganism at
the time.  The "Wheel of the Year" used by neo-pagans is artificial.

BTW, substitute "the Spring Equinox" for "March 22".  The equinox moves around
a bit.  Passover is, in one reckoning of it, the first full moon after the
equinox.  I believe that modern Judaism uses a different new year, though, than
was used for this reckoning.  Exodus 12 says "This month is for you the first
of months, you shall make it the first month of the year."; "until the 
fourteenth day of the month" (the fourteenth day is approximately the full
moon); "It is the Lord's Passover."  Modern Judaism, however, uses the date of
the Creation as it's new year.  Since the modern Jewish calendar begins with
the new moon after the fall Equinox (I believe that's the date used for Rosh
Hashanah), the date of Passover moves a bit--I believe that the intercalary
month make come before the month of Passover, which would make it even more
mobile.

Disclaimer: I am goy.  Jews are invited to correct any errors of detail.
Errors of detail would not, however, invalidate my point: Easter's timing has
nothing to do with any pagan festivals.  It has everything to do with a major
Jewish festival.  If you don't know why Easter's date is based on that of
Passover, I can explain that too.


              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

******************************************************************************
Newage is hypoallergenic spirituality--
it's for people who are allergic to the word religion.
                                   --Jon Jay Obermark
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Easter's date <was: Re: The pentagram>
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:33:35 GMT

krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick) writes:

[lots of good stuff....but...]

>(NOTE:  By this time the Xitan beleifs had already been altered to an extent
>that is still seeable today.  Xmas was placed where it was because it was a
>date close to the Winter Solstace.  Easter falls on a date that is decided on
>the moon.  Another one was placed on the Summer Solstace.  Etc...)

Easter falls on a date that is decided by the moon because Passover is decided
by the moon.  Judaism uses a lunar calendar.  Easter is the one holy day which
is completely authentically Christian in origin, though there are many pagan
accretions (such as bunnies and eggs).  In the earliest days of Christianity,
Easter was their only celebration--and the only celebration of the Eucharist in
the year.

              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Women of excellence... (Re: Learning Styles)
Date: 30 Aug 92 14:19:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug30.005557.2418@samba.oit.unc.edu>, shava@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Shava Nerad Averett) writes...
>In article <memo.595457@cix.compulink.co.uk> shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>>
>>I had always assumed that no woman in her right mind would tackle a
>>traditionally male dominated discipline UNLESS she was so exceptional
>>as to be able to overcome the inherent prejudice and bias. Until
>>recently I would always prefer female doctors and other professionals
>>for this very reason.
> 
> 
>There are a couple of issues here.  One is that you have to be a pretty 
>compulsive/obsessive character to make it to this level as a person of
>either sex.  
> 
>Another issue is the willingness to deal with assholes.  Many women like
>the idea of staying out of confrontational situations.  These women (and
>like-minded men) will never make it to the tops of their fields, unless
>they are in an exceptional environment (heavily mentored in a conservative
>organization, for example).  You have to be willing to deal with bad
>management, fight for what you know is right in design meetings, and 
>be assertive enough to make sure that things get done by people you are
>depending on to complete your own work.  You have to deal with people who
>see compentant co-workers as threats.  You have to deal with unsocialized
>co-worker nerds who don't know how to deal with a woman in their environment.
>You have to deal with upper managers who think that having a woman in 
>their heirarchy who is young, competant, and sociable is an opportunity
>to import the 'casting couch' into the engineering field.  You have to 
>deal with people who will never take you seriously because you have tits.

You said it.  The stories I (and others I'm sure) could tell.    
Yet despite the adversities, I think women hold themselves back 
far more than the system does.  But its easier to blame the 
system.

I never knew where I was going career-wise exactly - just knew 
the general direction.    When I don't know what I'm doing, 
which happens frequently, I pick what I like and work hard at it 
until something happens.  Seems better than doing nothing, and 
something always happens eventually.  I was attracted to computers 
and I have no problem working with men, so it all seemed to work out.

>This maps into magick, as well.  Most women interested in magick find the
>areas of traditional magick like gematria and the early bits of qaballistic
>correspondences and such to be anal, dull, and unprofitable.  

Hhhhmmmm... Quabala was the first thing I really liked...

>-- 
>Shava Nerad Averett				shava_averett@unc.edu
>/*  all materials (c)1992, Shava Nerad Averett, and have nothing significant
>    to do with the University of North Carolina, a mostly owned subsidiary 
>    of the NC Legislature, a mostly owned subsidiary of the DOT.      */

- Peggy -
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP)
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:59:49 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin) writes:
: 
: I acknowledge your kinesthetic bias in the above, and absolutely
: concur.  NLP is _not_ a science, nor has any of its progenitors
: claimed it to be so.  I like to consider it a *technology* of be-
: havior, collecting together useful suites of tools, methods and
: techniques.  Anybody who claims NLP is a unique body of science or
: knowledge is, of course, living in a state of sin.

Oooh! A state of sin even. Well, that gives me an idea about the
mindset.  If you don't agree then you sin. Thanks, but no thanks!

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Re: Learning Styles
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:36:00 +0000

mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris) writes..
[ .... ]

>  There are several things like this that women will use IF they can
>  excel at them. If they are only average they will drop it. Never
>  figured out why, just that it happens. I noticed it in Electronics.
>  There weren't any girls after the first Quarter that didn't ace
>  things. Girls with B's would drop out because they just "didn't
>  have the affinity...," while guys would continue on even with D's..

Is that it? I will confirm that in technical real time programming
and electronics (at least in the UK cultural context) the ONLY women
in that area were first rate. And in a considerable minority too.
However I have since noticed that this seems confined to European
cultures - Asian and African cultures don't seem to show the same
patterns.

I had always assumed that no woman in her right mind would tackle a
traditionally male dominated discipline UNLESS she was so exceptional
as to be able to overcome the inherent prejudice and bias. Until
recently I would always prefer female doctors and other professionals
for this very reason.

Alt.magick seems plentifully supplied with intellligent, articulate
members of both sexes. Anyone care to add anything to this. Not
really the right newsgroup, but I would be interested?



Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: mcmorris@vet.vet.purdue.edu (brandywine)
Subject: Re: in need of an explanation
Organization: Purdue University SVM
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:14:17 GMT


not all spider images are dark, and you needn't interpret it that way.
THe spider is also the creature who creates its own world, cares for
that world, and controls the world against outside forces.

think more about how the spider affects the realtionship and who you
think might be sending that image.

also, I don't believe in coincidence.... so I don't think it could be
that....

the answer, I am sure, lies within...

-brandywine

Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: mmig6535@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Inaba)
Subject: Help! advice, info, chatter, wanted
Summary: can someone chat with me
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:18:22 GMT
Keywords: magick confused

	Hi, I'm curious about magick, I wrote a follow to the
diff styles of learning and think that i'm a do/thinker (tinker
about till I can't figure out any more and then read up on
the ref manuals).  Anyway, I'm in need to information in a number
of areas, I guess... 
	How do I get started tinkering? is it actually something one
can fun playing with..like blocks and legos? If so what should I do?
hum, i have gobs and gobs of questions and am curious to know the 
different views out there on them and so would love to correspond with
someone who might enjoy describing his or her thoughts to someone
who will probably be asking pretty basic questions..maybe even
stupid questions! (gasp)... i am not even sure how diverse the views
and am curious to see what things are in common too as well as what
is different, both in how to do things, what can be done, should be
done, why things works..stuff like that I suppose..
If you're game, email me at:
shadow@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
I'm Mark

thanks for your time in reading this rather non informative post!

-Mark

Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: cipher@lacerta.unm.edu (Rev. J. B. Bell)
Subject: Rev. Bell's Final Post (for a while)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 20:22:59 GMT
Organization: Universal Life Church of Secular Humorism
Summary: Bye!

Well folks, I have well and truly transplanted myself to Bryn Mawr,
PA, which as Steve Cranmer put it is "the burbs with a vengeance."
The company's mostly bad and there isn't a nice cafe for miles around,
but I'll cope.

I have a spiffy job at the Borders Book Shop in the Rosemont Plaza;
alas, I run the Computers section, which I'm good at, but hate.  The
"New Age" section is big, but rather of a joke as far as organization
goes.  Someday I'll get my mitts on it.  :)  Mr. Cranmer referred to
me obliquely in an article a while back.  Please don't hesitate to ask
for "J.B." or (if you want a rewarding funny look) "Rev. Bell" if
you'd like to chat.

Anyway, this account's days are numbered, and in fact, I find that in
returning to the net after some weeks' absence, I don't think I'll
miss it much.  You may consider this net.addict (temporarily)
recovered.  :)

BUT, I would still like to be in touch with whomever would like to
write me.  I'd be particularly happy to hear from Shava, Josh, Tagi,
Peggy, and anyone else I admire whome I may have forgotten
inadvertantly.  Also it would be very nice to hear from any members of
the IOT or OTO or those just interested in the styles of the
respective (dis)organizations.  Very especially wonderful would be to
hear of such *in my area*.  Enough of that; the address:

Rev. J. B. Bell
901 Montgomery Ave., Apt. 207
Bryn Mawr, PA 19010

I don't have a phone yet or I'd list the number.

Thanks to everyone for insight, fun, fury, and companionship.

                         Sincerely,

                         --Rev. J. B. Bell

-- 
"Before you shoot off your mouth, try placing your foot in it.  At least
that way, you'll know _why_ you shot yourself in the foot."

           --Lefty (lefty@apple.com)
From: Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Unicursal Hexagram
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 12:17:10 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <BtLK2o.H42@news.cso.uiuc.edu>

We really oughtta collect a bunch of interpretations of this symbol
and post to the FAQ.  The subject continually recurs.

Thyagi
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: eddie@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Edward M. Averett)
Subject: Re: Shielding 
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:03:50 GMT

In article <83950130@otter.hpl.hp.com> cal@otter.hpl.hp.com (Colin Low) writes:
>B.A. Davis-Howe writes:
>
>>but I felt it important to point out that the visual methods are not the only
>>methods.  Unfortunately, they are the only ones anybody writes about.  This is

>around - I can "reach out" and "grab" my physical Shield any time I need it
>because I know what it feels like. And yes Virginia, I have a physical Shield.
>
>Colin. 
> 
Some damn fine coffee here.   And good points too.  I reread what I posted
on shields, and realized that I used very little tactile or non-sight oriented
descriptions.  Icky.  All three of the ones I used have mult--tactile aspects
to them, and I just glossed over most of them.  I strong feelings of 
tactile and kinetic sensory input over these.  Try to develop them as well 
when practicing these shields.

I'll try to find a little time to post an auditory shield as well, but not 
this morning.  I have to run off and get busy. ...-)  

I have lots of ritual implements lying around, including some "eggs" of 
different materials, etc. .. (No, I don't have a miniature citadel lying 
around -) ).....

More later. .				-eddie@legba.oit.unc.edu