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From: richmond@ee.ualberta.ca (Richmond Raymond C)
Subject: Phaz+YAMers
Summary:  Would someone please tell me why there is so very little on this newsg
Keywords: Why not?
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:15:46 GMT

	Is there nothing in this group on the greatest machines on
   earth?  After owning first the Phazer then PhazerII I am convinced of 
   the almost perfect all round capabilities of them.  But don't get me wrong,
   there are lots of good machines out there Yamaha did good with the Enticer 
   and SS line, as well Arctic cat had some good machines
   (although heavy as a whale) ,and have you ever driven a John    
   deer Trail fire/blazer series? In closing I guess my point is that if 
   I hear about any more polarises(too big and too slow) or Indys I think
   I will be sick.
Newsgroups: alt.snowmobiles
From: don@tellabs.com (Donald Leonard)
Subject: Re: Phaz+YAMers
Keywords: Why not?
Organization: Tellabs, Lisle,IL
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:26:58 GMT

In article <v0#@byu.edu> bigdog@bones.et.byu.edu (Dan Canfield) writes:

>Show of Polaris strength deleated :->

>Yes, I believe that there isn't a better machien made than a Polaris Indy,
>but I also have the attitude that it doesn't matter near as much WHAT you
>ride as long as you ride.

I agree wholeheartedly!!! Do I care what the next guy rides??? Not
in the least. I think everyone should ride what they feel works
best for them. 
Don't get me wrong - I'm a Polaris fan from the get
go but I never let that interfere with fun or lending someone a
hand. Hell I've even done some digging so I could help wrench a sled 
that I know nothing about.

>More muscle flexing deleated.

>Now on to more pertinent things.  Tell us about your machine.  It has been
>a couple of years since I was on a Phazer.  What motor does it have?  Have
>you done any mods to it?  What type of riding do you do with it?  Have you
>had any major problems with it? (Like my piston sticking problem)  How
>many miles does it have on it?  Things like that.

If you want to talk Yamahas then talk!!! I'm sure there are other
out there who own them. I'd like to read your stories, good or bad
also.

>As a general statement, I hope there aren't any lurkers out there who
>get turned off by this group.  We want everyone to participate. 

I'm sure this is the general feeling amongst the 'regulars' in the
group, myself included.

> You must,
>however, realize that I own Polaris machines and have for years.  
>Therefore, I will have a Polaris influence in what I talk about.
>
>Dan Canfield
>bigdog@bones.et.byu.edu
>
>DoD #0071,RP90
>'89 FJ1200
>'89 Indy707
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>"Excuss me while I kiss the sky" - Jimi Hendrix
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don@tellabs.com		|		|  Don't get mad get rad!"
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From: chuck@col.hp.com (Chuck Rice)
Newsgroups: alt.snowmobiles
Subject: Re: NSSR - Forest Lake
Date: 27 Jan 1993 14:44:24 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hplsdqv.col.hp.com

deanb@pecan10.cray.com (Dean Barker) writes:
> 
> Here is the results from the first NSSR event of the season. I tried

Very interesting, thank you for the info and congratulations.
Newsgroups: alt.news-media
From: streeter@cs.unca.edu (Tom Streeter)
Subject: Re: alt.news-media: A dumping ground for propaganda
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:33:04 GMT

I actually don't mind seeing the press releases.  There's been a
definite ebb and flow in the rate of postings over the life of this
group, and I don't mind seeing clearly-marked propaganda displace
uninformed ranting propaganda.


-- 
Tom Streeter                                |   streeter@cs.unca.edu
Dept. of Mass Communication                 |   704-251-6227
University of North Carolina at Asheville   |   Opinions expressed here are
Asheville, NC 28804                         |   mine alone.
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From: Jym Dyer <jym@mica.berkeley.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.politics.elections,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.activism.d
Subject: "Willie Horton Goes to Moscow"
Date: 25 Jan 1993 04:29:31 GMT
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu

=o= There's an interesting item in the December 1992 issue
of _Extra!_, a publication of Fairness and Accuracy In Media
(FAIR).  It notes that "liberal media" mythologizer (my words)
Rush Limbaugh's syndicated TV show often resembled an unofficial
Republican campaign commercial.

=o= "The resemblance may not be coincidental," it says, "the
show's executive producer is Roger Ailes, Bush's 1988 campaign
handler who quietly advised Bush again in 1992."

=o= The infamous Clinton-meeting-with-the-KGB-in-Moscow smear
campaign (found, of course, not to be based in fact), was traced
by _Village_Voice_ reporter Leslie Savan as travelling

    o  from Willie Horton ad designer Floyd Brown
    o  to Rep. Bob Dornan
    o  to Moonie newspaper _The_Washington_Times_
    o  to George Bush.

"Limbaugh, Savan pointed out, also played a role" in the smear
campaign, by "publicly calling on Bush to raise the issue."

=o= There's a strong resemblance between this smear campaign and
to Ailes' and Brown's 1988 strategy for the Willie Horton ad:
the smear is released "unofficially" and officially referred to
with disapproving tones, but as frequently as possible.

=o= The latest -- January/February 1993 -- issue of _Extra!_ has
an even longer article about Limbaugh, focusing on the unusual
combination of his (1) working with Bush campaign officials, (2)
spending most of his 22-minutes on the air campaigning for Bush,
and (3) not being accountable to the FCC or FEC for this on-air
campaign time.
    <_Jym_>
================================================================
The January/February 1993 issue of _Extra!_ is on the stands
now.  You can have a year's subscription to _Extra_ by sending
$30 to FAIR/Extra! -- Subscription Service -- P.O. Box 911,
Dept. 43AE -- Pearl River, NY 10965-0911.  I have no association
with this group and have received no compensation in exchange
for providing this information.
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From: Jym Dyer <jym@mica.berkeley.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.politics.elections,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: "Willie Horton Goes to Moscow"
Date: 27 Jan 1993 17:09:46 GMT
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
	<1993Jan25.174239.1711@anasazi.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu

> Bush never mention meeting with the KGB

=o= He never needed to mention it.  Smear campaigns typically
involve official spokespeople not mouthing the most explicit
smears, but invoking the "issue" as a whole.

> Dornan and Limbaugh both pointed out that Clinton probably met
> with the KGB and didn't know it at the time.

=o= What a reach.  True as that could have theoretically been,
you and I both know that that was *not* what the smear was
trying to purport.

> very suspect was Clinton's claim to have met with "anti-
> soviet" students at Moscow U.  Anyone who knows anything
> about the way the Soviets handled things realizes the utter
> absurdity of that claim.

=o= I myself have met people who've met with dissenters behind
the Iron Curtain.  It was difficult, but by no means impossible.
    <_Jym_>
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.politics.elections,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.activism.d
From: mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt)
Subject: Re: "Willie Horton Goes to Moscow"
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:31:38 GMT

In article <Jym.24Jan1993.2029@naughty-peahen> Jym Dyer <jym@mica.berkeley.edu> writes:
>=o= The latest -- January/February 1993 -- issue of _Extra!_ has
>an even longer article about Limbaugh, focusing on the unusual
>combination of his (1) working with Bush campaign officials, (2)
>spending most of his 22-minutes on the air campaigning for Bush,
>and (3) not being accountable to the FCC or FEC for this on-air
>campaign time.

If Limbaugh should be accountable to the FEC and/or the FEC for
"campaigning" for George Bush, then the producers of Murphy Brown,
the Bloodworth-Thomases, and the producers of Tiny Toons should
also be so accountable.  Not to mention Dan Rather/Sam Donaldson/
Peter Jennings/Ted "Mr. Hanoi Jane" Turner, etc.

-- 
Mike Van Pelt          | What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth?
mvp@netcom.com         | Judging from realistic simulations involving a
                       | sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog, we
                       | can assume it will be pretty bad. -- Dave Barry
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.politics.elections,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.activism.d
From: duane@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (duane.galensky)
Subject: Re: "Willie Horton Goes to Moscow"
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:36:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.003138.5750@netcom.com> mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt) writes:
>In article <Jym.24Jan1993.2029@naughty-peahen> Jym Dyer <jym@mica.berkeley.edu> writes:
>>=o= The latest -- January/February 1993 -- issue of _Extra!_ has
>>an even longer article about Limbaugh, focusing on the unusual
>>combination of his (1) working with Bush campaign officials, (2)
>>spending most of his 22-minutes on the air campaigning for Bush,
>>and (3) not being accountable to the FCC or FEC for this on-air
>>campaign time.
>
>If Limbaugh should be accountable to the FEC and/or the FEC for
>"campaigning" for George Bush, then the producers of Murphy Brown,
>the Bloodworth-Thomases, and the producers of Tiny Toons should
>also be so accountable.  Not to mention Dan Rather/Sam Donaldson/
>Peter Jennings/Ted "Mr. Hanoi Jane" Turner, etc.
>

agreed...they should all be accountable for campaigning
for george bush.  well, except maybe sam donaldson.

and i guess if murphy brown is accountbale, so should the
potatoe farmers of america.

certainly limbaugh deserves some investigation.

duane
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From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.politics.org.misc
Subject: CLINTON: Mr. President, how difficult was the Zoe Baird decision?
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:44:10 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu




                            THE WHITE HOUSE

                     Office of the Press Secretary

                            January 22, 1993

                       REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT
                        DURING PHOTO OPPORTUNITY
                           The Cabinet Room

 11:15 A.M. EST


  Q    Mr. President, how difficult was the Zoe Baird decision?  How
 agonizing was it for you?

  THE PRESIDENT:  I was -- I'm sad about it.  But it wasn't
 agonizing.  I'm just very -- I'm sad about it, and I take full
 responsibility, as I said in my statement, for the way the evaluation
 was done.  I still have a very high regard for her.  She is an
 extraordinary person.  And I feel very badly about it, but I'm
 responsible for it, and I'm going to start this afternoon looking for
 an attorney general.  And I have the process set up, and we're going
 to begin as soon as the lunch hour is over, working on the future.
 And that's what I intend to focus on.

 Q    Will it be a woman?

 THE PRESIDENT:  I have nothing else to say.  I'm going to start this
 afternoon.  Thanks.

                                  END                   11:16 A.M. EST
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From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.politics.org.misc
Subject: CLINTON: The Council on Competitiveness
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:02:00 -0500
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu


                          THE WHITE HOUSE

                   OFFICE OF THE VICE PRESIDENT

      For Immediate Release                        January 22, 1993

                Statement of Vice President Al Gore

      Today, we are sending a clear message to the special interests
 who used the Council on Competitiveness as a back-door to avoid the
 law. That back door is closed. No longer will special interests
 receive special favors. No longer will our laws be ignored or
 undermined. No longer will decisions that should be made in public be
 made in private. In this Administration everyone will play by the
 rules and public decisions will be public information.

      The Council on Competitiveness was founded on a false choice;
 that the interests of workers, consumers, and the environment
 conflict with the goal of economic growth. And, rather than
 reconciling those objectives in public, the past Administration used
 the Council on Competitiveness as an excuse for special favors for
 narrow interests and back-room decisions. We are committing ourselves
 to a process that will serve the American people honestly, openly,
 and with respect for the law and their safety.

      President Clinton and I today reaffirm our strong support for
 policies that recognize we must ensure environmental protection to
 have strong economic growth.

                            ################
From: rhuesca@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rob T Huesca)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media
Subject: clinton's electronic transition
Date: 22 Jan 93 02:04:49 GMT
Distribution: alt.news-media
Organization: The Ohio State University

has anyone: 1. written to the transition team? if so, what was your experience?
and 2. has anyone read anything about this in the popular press?

thanks,
rob
Newsgroups: alt.news-media
From: streeter@cs.unca.edu (Tom Streeter)
Subject: Re: FAIR Game (was "Willie Horton Goes to Moscow")
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:10:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.125420.542@hsh.com> paul@hsh.com writes:
>
>>=o= The latest -- January/February 1993 -- issue of _Extra!_ has
>>an even longer article about Limbaugh, focusing on the unusual
>>combination of his (1) working with Bush campaign officials, (2)
>>spending most of his 22-minutes on the air campaigning for Bush,
>>and (3) not being accountable to the FCC or FEC for this on-air
>>campaign time.
>
>Which only goes to show that the folks at FAIR are either totally ignorant, 
>which is implausible, or total demagogues.  Are they whining about the "equal
>time" regs?  If so, somebody oughta tell them that they applied only to
>*news* shows.  And how does the FEC have any jurisdiction over an
>*entertainment* show?  Hell's bells, if that's the case, let's turn in
>Saturday Night Live, Arsenio Hall, Whoopie Goldberg, Murphy Brown, and
>ANYthing produced by the Bloodworth-Thomas cast -- all of which shows have
>publicly stumped for the Democrats for years.
>


The equal access provisions of the Communication Act certainly *do*
apply to non-news programming, in fact coverage of candidates in the
course of legitimate newscasts is exempt from the provision.  The
requirements are triggered only if the candidate appears in person, the
face or image of the candidate appears, or the voice of the candidate is
heard. The stations that air such pieces are required to allow opposing
candidates (if they're legally declared and eligible to take the office)
an equal *opportunity* to appear in a similar manner and time.  Funny
'Arsenio' came up.  After Clinton appeared on the show, Bush could have
demanded to appear on the show.  Paramount was well aware and ready to
accomodate him, but they correctly guessed that he had no interest.  As
far as the other shows go, advocacy is allowed.  And that certainly
applies to Rush as well.

Oh, and by the way, it's the FCC, not the FEC, that has jurisdiction.

The Communication Act of 1934.  Not just good reading, it's the law.
:-).


-- 
Tom Streeter                                |   streeter@cs.unca.edu
Dept. of Mass Communication                 |   704-251-6227
University of North Carolina at Asheville   |   Opinions expressed here are
Asheville, NC 28804                         |   mine alone.
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From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.politics.org.misc
Subject: CLINTON: FIRST LADY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON SCHEDULE
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:58:13 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
DATE: MONDAY, JANUARY 25, 1993
 
FIRST LADY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON SCHEDULE FOR TUESDAY, JANUARY 26, 1993.

WASHINGTON, DC -- FIRST LADY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON WILL VISIT "NEW YORK
CARES" TUTORING SESSION AND RECEIVE LEWIS HINE AWARD IN NEW YORK CITY ON
TUESDAY, JANUARY 26.

Mrs. Clinton will join "NEW YORK CARES" volunteers at a tutoring session
with several 4th, 5th and 6th graders.  "NEW YORK CARES," founded in 1987,
is a volunteer organization designed to place young working New Yorkers in
volunteer projects in which they work with people in need.  Working in
teams, "NEW YORK CARES" volunteers provide direct assistance to poor
children, homeless families, people with AIDS and the elderly.

DATE:               TUESDAY, JANUARY 26, 1993
PRESS CALL TIME:    9:30AM
LOCATION:           Alexander Humboldt School
                    PS 115
                    586 W. 177TH STREET
                    NEW YORK, NY

     Press Note:    Mrs. Clinton will be joined at the tutoring session by
     Maria Alvarez.  Ms. Alvarez, a "New York Cares" volunteer will receive
     a Lewis Hine Award that evening.


Mrs. Clinton will receive a special Lewis Hine Award for Distinguished
Service to children and youth.  The award will be presented by the National
Child Labor Committee (NCLC).  Ten individuals from communities across the
country will also be honored with a Lewis Hine award.

DATE:               TUESDAY, JANUARY 26, 1993
PRESS CALL TIME:    5:30PM
LOCATION:           THE CHEMICAL BANK BUILDING
PRESS ENTRANCE:     270 PARK AVENUE
                    BETWEEN 48TH AND PARK

     PRESS NOTE:  Press will be escorted to the 49th floor for the award
     ceremony. Press overflow space will be provided on the 2nd floor in
     the employee cafeteria.  Mult and video DA will be available in this
     area.
                                    ###
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.politics.elections,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.activism.d
From: mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt)
Subject: Re: "Willie Horton Goes to Moscow"
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:33:39 GMT

In article <Jym.27Jan1993.0928@naughty-peahen> Jym Dyer <jym@mica.berkeley.edu> writes:
>>> If Limbaugh should be accountable to the FEC and/or the FEC
>>> [sic] for "campaigning" for George Bush, then the producers
>>> of Murphy Brown, the Bloodworth-Thomases, and the producers
>>> of Tiny Toons should also be so accountable.
>
>=o= You've diverted attention from a central point:  Limbaugh's
>executive producer was a media adviser to Bush's campaign in
>both 1998 and 1992.  As far as I know, the producers of the
>shows you list were not part of any candidate's campaigns.  If
>they were, I would of course agree with you.

I just tossed Murph and Tiny Toons in there for yucks and the
occasional Quayle cheap shot.  The Bloodworth-Thomases (Linda, and I
forget her husband's name) produced the Clinton puff-piece "The Man
From Hope", and were very much a part of Clinton's campaign.  They are
also the producers of several sitcoms, including "Designing Women,"
"Hearts of Fire," and "Evening Shade."  I've never watched any of them
for more than 15 seconds, as sitcoms make me puke, so I can't say if
they do any advocacy in their shows or not.  However, the premise of
"Hearts of Fire" sounds a bit conservative-bashing to me, and does
anyone think it unreasonable to feel that the fact that Delta Burke is
a staunch Republican may have had something to do with her
unceremonious dumping from "Designing Women" in spite of the popularity
of the character?

-- 
Mike Van Pelt                          Here lies a Technophobe,
mvp@netcom.com                            No whimper, no blast.
mvp@hsv3.lsil.com                      His life's goal accomplished,
                                          Zero risk at last.
Newsgroups: alt.news-media
From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: alt.news-media: A dumping ground for propaganda
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:37:04 GMT

In <1993Jan27.234423.6471@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> scasterg@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stuart M Castergine) writes:


>Is anybody elsed distresed that this group, alt.news-media, which was
>created as a forum for the discussion of media isues has seemingly
>become a dumping ground for press releases and propaganda tracts from
>various organizations?

I agree. Enought with the Clinton/Gore stuff! How about we create a
press-realease news group, and bring this group back to its original
purpose.

(Or..we could all use kill files, adn shut the President out!)

Michael
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From: ez012344@chip.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.politics.elections,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: "Willie Horton Goes to Moscow"
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:47:57 GMT
Followup-To: alt.news-media
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In article <Jym.24Jan1993.2029@naughty-peahen> jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
>Dept. 43AE -- Pearl River, NY 10965-0911.  I have no association
>with this group and have received no compensation in exchange
>for providing this information.

But I be you'll receive flames for it! :)
Thanks for the posting. I'll be interested to read it.
Dan
deherrin@ucdavis.edu
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From: Jym Dyer <jym@mica.berkeley.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.politics.elections,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: "Willie Horton Goes to Moscow"
Date: 27 Jan 1993 17:28:28 GMT
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
	<1993Jan26.003138.5750@netcom.com>
	<JMC.93Jan25193418@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU's message of 25 Jan 93 19:34:18

>> If Limbaugh should be accountable to the FEC and/or the FEC
>> [sic] for "campaigning" for George Bush, then the producers
>> of Murphy Brown, the Bloodworth-Thomases, and the producers
>> of Tiny Toons should also be so accountable.

=o= You've diverted attention from a central point:  Limbaugh's
executive producer was a media adviser to Bush's campaign in
both 1998 and 1992.  As far as I know, the producers of the
shows you list were not part of any candidate's campaigns.  If
they were, I would of course agree with you.

> Jym Dyer has good reason to hope . . . it will be possible
> to get rid of Rush Limbaugh and other politically incorrect
> people in the media.

=o= Limbaugh represents the interests of the few parties who
own the vast majority of the media.  It is absurd to suggest
that Limbaugh's soapbox is in peril.

=o= It is even more absurd to insinuate that I would hope for
such a thing.  I suppose that when one doesn't have any real
arguments to address an issue with, one has to concoct some
kind of nonsense to divert attention to, but kindly leave me
out of your nonsense.
    <_Jym_>
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