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From: txwizard@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (txwizard)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: bbong-jjak
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:37:54 GMT
Reply-To: txwizard@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (txwizard)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: txwizard@bashful.cc.utexas.edu

In article <1992Dec14.191334.12426@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>ones)  First, I HATE bbong-jjak.  The lyrics are incurably sappy and
>depressing and that music just drive me sick, especially if it's played
>on a synthesizer/organ only.  This is the kind of music one listens to
>if one finds Barry Manilow too intellectual.		     ^^^^^^^

Ah, Brian.  There is your problem.  You are *listening*.  

You don't listen to bbong-jjak, you *do* it, with Soju glass in one hand
and chopstick on the other hand.  These days, it seems to have been raised
to another level.  It is so tacky, it is beautiful.

>Brian "stressed out" Chung
>

Andy "No More Final" Kim

I love bbong-jjak over soju and some tasty anju and good friends.
I was raised in California listening to New Waves and rap.  But after
spending a year in Korea, I love bbong-jjak.  It's takcky but the lyrics
represent the everyday life of people in Korea.

Michael S. Kim

Organization: Masters student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Yongsup Park)
Subject: Re: >Korean Pop Music
Keywords: korean pop music
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:01:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.221959.23393@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> ahwg@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Andrew Hwang) writes:

>I think one exception to the mundane quality of pop music in Korea is
>a group called "Bohm-YeoReum-GahEul-GyeoUl" (Spring Summer Autumn Winter)
>Their music has a hint of jazz and arragements are on the more sophisticated
>side.

They are good, as far as my musical sophistication goes.
They are commonly called fusion Jazz group.
Their live double CD is particularly good.
But I don't know why they had to make their latest lalbum entirely in a
studio in New York.

There are some good popular music artists, again, IMO.
Let me list some of them.

(015B), (Dong Mool Won = Zoo),  (Jeong Tae Choon 
and Bak Eun Ok), (Park Gwnag Hyun),   (No Rae Rul
Chat Nun Sa Ram Deul = People who are searching for songs), (Hae 
Ba Ra Gi = Sunflower), (Kim Hyun Sik), (Yu Jae Ha).

The last two are deceased.
I'm not sure how you guys get the information about the popular songs in
Korea, but if your source is TV pop chart or something like that, 
you are looking only part of the picture.

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
Yongsup Park               \    park@anmsd3.msd.anl.gov    /    Intentiolnally
Physics & Astronomy Dept.   \   park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu  /   left as a
Northwestern University      \  B40180@ANLCV1.BITNET     /   blank space.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: lee@don.waisman.wisc.edu
Subject: RE: God Bless Kim Young Sam
Organization: Waisman Center, University of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 20 DEC 92 06:58:01 CST

In a previous article, swkim@csws5.ic.sunysb.edu () wrote:

>Please, president elected Kim Young Sam.
> 
>Please make our country greater one.  For five thousand
>years, we have lived terrible life.  We were always abused
>from foreigns.  When can we be a superpower of the world,
>YS ?  Everything is on your hands, YS.  I'm begging you,
>let's make the strongest country.  We will.

I think you expect too much from one politician. It is not desirable that
the future of a nation is at the hand of a single person, although I admit 
that the president is an enormously important position in Korea.

Hankyu Lee
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: ccgary@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (Gary Young)
Subject: Airline Companies and Flying Schools
Summary: I'am very interested in names and addresses of Airline Companies
Keywords: Names and addresses of Airline Companies
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 03:29:14 GMT

I'am very interested to obtain names and addresses of airline companies
and flying schools in Korea.
I would like to correspond to overseas airline companies to offer trainees
and students the opportunity to learn to fly professionally and at the same time study for a Tertitary Education in Australia at the Air Training Centre
in Brisbane, Queensland .
For further information please contact me.

Thanking you

Gary Young                                      Education Officer
Prentice Centre                                 Tel: +61 7 365 4359
The University of Queensland                    Fax: +61 7 365 4477
Queensland, Australia                   Email: ccgary@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au







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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Subject: Re: Orange-jok (Re: Organge Jok)
Reply-To: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:06:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.091633.14050@udel.edu> shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:
>And I always thought that orange juice was bad for digestive system
>of Koreans.  Talking of orange juice, would netters be surprised if I say
>people living in the U.S. may have orange juice *more* *readily*
>available than those living in orange *producing* country?  

Question: Isn't US one of those orange *producing* country?

I have never heard US importing oranges.

Andy Kim
From: umin@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Un-Sig Min)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: From the poster of "DJ for President"
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:42:41 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <1992Dec15.191732.18081@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>>
>>I heard that his son will be leader of his party.
>>I don't have any official document. 
>
>	You are kidding right?  His son?  The guy who owns that huge
>Chinese restaurant?  I thought DJ didn't want his son to be involved
>in politics and his son was really having a hard time getting a job
>because of the government's influence, and that's why he became a
>restauranteur.
 
I heard above rumor 1987 from my friend who is a member of political
party (SaYeiDang, Social demo* party ?).
Sorry for posting old nonpopular rumor.

But let's think about restaurant business.
Do you think the son keep running restaurant after his father become
president ?   If he do that, I really respect his professional job.
I will visit Korea after election. 
If you give me that restaurant name, I will have a lunch over there.
Who knows, I may have a chance to meet him.

un-sig>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jahn@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Juhoon Ahn)
Subject: Re: From the poster of "DJ for President"
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:06:07 GMT

Mr. T.H. Brian Chung,

First of all, let me correct myself.  I made a mistake to refer
to the "government" instead to "Roh" people.  I should have said
that the people who worked for Mr. Roh and Mr. Roh himself could
have done something that might have changed the result of the 
election. (<- What is the difference between these two groups,
the government and Mr. Roh (and Mr. Chun) anyway?)  

I said that Mr. Roh might have some influence on the result of the
election.  Actually I said that he could have stolen his victory.
What I said was not what I made up by myself.  I heard it from my
friends in Korea who were college students at that time, about two
years or so ago.  Also I heard very similar stories from other people.
Actually I picked up some of these over the shoulder when my father
and my uncle who worked for Mr. Kim, Dae Jung for a long time.
It might be just a rumor.  Or it could be true.  Who (I mean really)
knows it is true?  BTW, have you ever heard of the proverb,"Ani Taen
Gul-Took-E Yeon-Gi-Nal-Ka?"   If he didn't steal his victory and 
actually won the election, why there are so many demonstrations in
Korea by college students and civil activists?   Are they just playing
around because they don't have anything to do?  Are they putting their
lives at risk with some kinds of rumor they heard around?  I can't
prove anything.  But, it seems that there is something fishy about
the election.  Well, what I wanted to say was that DJ is not soley
resposible for his "broken" promise.  There are other factors involved
in his decision.  AND, remember YS *ALSO* broke his promise not to run
for the president if DJ is to be set free.  Now I don't know who is 
"the bad guy" broke his promise.  

>-- 
>T. H. Brian Chung                      | Happiness is...              
>Internet: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu   | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
>Bitnet: jfe@cornella                   | 210 Lake St. Apt. 11-A 
>DECnet: CESR10::THC                    | Ithaca, NY 14850  Tel: 607-272-1543 

Juhoon Ahn                 |He is my loving God and my fortress,
jahn@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu |my stronghold and my deliverer,
MB 942 Brandeis Univ       |my shield, in whom I take refuge,
Waltham, MA 02254-9110     |who subdues peoples under me.(Psalm 144:2)
-- 
Juhoon Ahn                 |He is my loving God and my fortress,
jahn@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu |my stronghold and my deliverer,
MB 942 Brandeis Univ       |my shield, in whom I take refuge,
Waltham, MA 02254-9110     |who subdues peoples under me.(Psalm 144:2)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: To Brian Chung ( From the poster of "DJ for President" )
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:01:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.024837.2220@sbcs.sunysb.edu> swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu () writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.090847.2487@tc.cornell.edu> news@tc.cornell.edu writes
>
> [ ...]
>>T. H. Brian Chung        
>
>After I read this article, I examined myself if I am a religious fanatic of DJ.
>Because I said I had been praying everyday for election of DJ, I might be 
>relatively religious follower of him.  But, let me ask you this:
>
>*  Do you REALLY think he is STILL "PATRIARCHAL ZEALOTS" ?? :
>
>   Asolutely, he was the real GOD to some people at the last election in 1987.
>   But, STILL he is ?  Can he REALLY be compared with Kim Il Sung ?  Isn't it
>   too exaggerated ?  He was also seriously wounded for last five years.  His
>   ........
>##############################################################################
>
>   .........
>Now I want to talk about DJ's "NEW DJ PLAN".  Someone has a suspicion that
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Gee, you sound like you are one of his campaign staffs. :)

>he's lying and cheating the people again.  I am not going to say whether
>this "NEW DJ PLAN" is trustworthy or not.  I don't want to talk about the 
>possibility he will keep that image when he become president.  Because I don't
>know either....  But what I can say with confidence are :
>
>1) DJ knows what are the lethal flaws to prevent him from becoming president.
>2) DJ knows, he will never be elected if he does not solve these problems.
>3) So DJ wants to solve his problems.
>4) DJ ENDEAVORS to do it so hard, he is trying his best, as hard as he can.
>
>So he, heartbreakingly, extremely wretchedly, endeavors to change his arbitrary
>image while making blood, sweat, and tears.  He is trying to be tamed.
>

No, the conclusion should be ; he will do everything to convince people that
he doesn't have such *flaws(?)* so that he can get elected; but he doesn't
have any incentive to really correct the flaws(?) if he should get elected
and if he really had such flaws.  He will simply go playing as he wants to.

>#############################################################################
>
>I believe DJ will make more blood, sweat, and tears in order to built the
>Great Korea than YS.  No, more basically, Dj will know which way is the
>best way for the Korea much much better than YS.  
>
>That's the reason why I support DJ for president in spite of his serious
>flaws.  As an aspect of leadership style, YS is definitely better than DJ.
>But, as an aspect of develpment of Korean, DJ is definitely better than YS.
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
                      ????????????????????
What? I think this is pretty new insight from a DJ supporter..


-- 
 Sung Hyun Kim    kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu // kim_sh@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: Re: DJ for President -- 2
Organization: Alchemy International
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:35:38 GMT

In article <713@blue.cis.pitt.edu> hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim) writes:
>As for who I'd vote for if I could I'd vote for whichever candidate
>I feel is most likely to implement 3 reforms that I support:
>1) Tax reform(sil-myung-je), 2) Land reform, and 3) Abolishing the
>National Security Law and increasing safeguards for civil liberties.
>These 3 are what I feel strongly about.

	1) is a good idea but isn't going to happen for a while.  Both
YS and DJ benefit immensely from not having to put their own name in
their banking accounts.  I think we will have to get rid of all the
corrupt politicians before the banking reform can take place.

	2)?  Land reform?  What do you mean?

	3) is an interesting issue.  All the opposition candidates will
go for it.  Will YS?  After all, the TKs who would like to keep NSL have
taken off from DLP.

	4)  How many acronyms did I use in this posting? :)

>


-- 
T. H. Brian Chung                      | Happiness is...              
Internet: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu   | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
Bitnet: jfe@cornella                   | 210 Lake St. Apt. 11-A 
DECnet: CESR10::THC                    | Ithaca, NY 14850  Tel: 607-272-1543 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Subject: Re: Orange-jok
Reply-To: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:15:38 GMT

In article <If=LLAS00iV3E7894Q@andrew.cmu.edu> Woncheal Choi <wc1q+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 
> [ Mr. Choi's Remark Too Long To Be Included - I read 'em ]
>
>Woncheol ( who is not a christian and hates to go church.)
>

You do have a point, and maybe rightfully so.  My post wasn't to promote
individualism, although I myself am one of them.  I do respect people who
try to improve the society.  

What I was trying to stress was, though, that Korean society tends to
*overreact* when it comes to ethics or morality issue.  Rapid development
brings out rapid changes, and these changes don't always include the
healthy ones.  Good and evil, they are all part of the package.  I am not
using this as an excuse to defend OJ's.  However, too many times Korean
people made a habit out of judging what is good or bad for someone else,
and think some sort of regulation is always an answer and think they have
done something good for the society.  If there really was a problem,
regulation is not going to solve anything.  If there wasn't a problem, it
is unnecessary.

I know that Mr Choi did not suggest any regulatory method, but his worry
was on the borderline, I felt.  I have never met or heard of these OJ kids.
I assume they are kids, many of them teenagers.  Now when I was a teenager,
adults said the same thing.  How spoiled my generation is and so forth.
And I remember how I hated it.  The thing about these OJ kids are that they
look different, they act different, they think different.  They *are*
different from us.  And we *think* they are wrong.  After all the talks
going on here, I haven't heard about how to understand them.  Maybe they
*do* have their reasons.  All the kids have some important reasons all the
time.  Who are we to judge, anyway?  How do I know what it is like to grow
up in Korea now?  If there is something wrong, it's more of their parents',
teachers' and elders' fault.  If you don't like riches, tax them.  But
let's not make more rebels without causes.

I have seen worries in this group, but I haven't heard solutions nor
attempts of it.  Instead of complaining, try talking to your friends'
brothers, and your sisters' friends and hear what they say.  Buy them some
beer or soju.  Tell them what you think.  You might not be able to get them
to go to Somalia, but they might listen.  You might not like the Cafe, but
you might realize that OJ is good for you after all.

Andy Kim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: From the poster of "DJ for President"
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:23:23 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Dec16.212057.1598@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, yang@luther.che.wisc.edu (
Heewon Yang) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.182407.70671@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (M
INHO JO) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec15.193421.14487@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, tchoi@binah.cc.brand
ei
>>s.edu writes:
>>>
>>>>>I heard that his son will be leader of his party.
>>>>>I don't have any official document.
>>>
>>>DJ simply cannot win.
>>
>>Can you diprove that DJ simply cannot win ?
>>Did you ever look at the current polls ?
>>
>>When you disprove it,  I wish you show us acceptable evidences.
>>
> I think you are misunderstood him. You should have read it carefully.
>What he tried to say is that DJ simply cannot win as long as such rumers
>is in large and people think it is true.
>>
>>                         Minho Jo, Lehigh Valley
>
>-Heewon.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
You seemingly are right.  As far as I know,  he is a DJ supportor.
Thank you, Heewon.


---------------------------------------------------------------------------



                      Minho Jo, Lehigh University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: Dear Emmy (was: Re: Dear Abby, III)
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:34:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.014600.22301@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>
>I am surprised no one replied to this.  It was a joke.  Think about it.
>Emmy instead of Abby...  Emmy and Abby,  Abby and Emmy...  think about your
>old days in Korea...
>
>Thank you.

	Didn't your newsreader tell you that it's a bad manner to follow
up on your own article?  :)  But seriously, that was a tough one to get.
You still need more lessons in humor, James.  Now go back to the mountain
and wipe the roads a little more.  (How about that for brining back old
jokes?)

>


-- 
T. H. Brian Chung                      | Happiness is...              
Internet: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu   | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
Bitnet: jfe@cornella                   | 210 Lake St. Apt. 11-A 
DECnet: CESR10::THC                    | Ithaca, NY 14850  Tel: 607-272-1543 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: ogpaik@ugcs.caltech.edu (Paris_Lover)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: testing
Date: 18 Dec 1992 22:48:56 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: torment.ugcs.caltech.edu
Summary: testing
eywords: testing

dkfjdk

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: swkim@csws5.ic.sunysb.edu ()
Subject: God Bless Kim Young Sam
Originator: swkim@csws5.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 02:10:41 GMT


God Bless Kim Young Sam !!!!!!

It was a perfect victory of YS.  I expected this election
would be very close, close match.  However, the difference
of votes between YS and DJ was absolutely bigger than
my expectation.  It was really K.O. winning of YS.  I was 
interesting with the vote percentage of SEOUL.  At Seoul,
DJ had definitely lost.  If DJ couldn't win at Seoul, 
he could not be a president.  

You did great job, DJ.  You were great guy for me.
Goodbye, so long.  DJ.  I'll remember you even though
you will disappear into a page of history.  
(Please clearly stay into history, don't come back to
real politics.  Let me keep the feeling forever what I 
get from you now.)

Please, president elected Kim Young Sam.

Please make our country greater one.  For five thousand
years, we have lived terrible life.  We were always abused
from foreigns.  When can we be a superpower of the world,
YS ?  Everything is on your hands, YS.  I'm begging you,
let's make the strongest country.  We will.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: 7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca (Henry E Chon)
Subject: Anything but...
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:36:52 GMT

For the past few days, all I heard about at s.c.k was the election.  I am sure
it is quite important and all but to some people it doesn't mean anything.
Not because I don't care but I am not that politics oriented.  Is there 
anybody who has something to say about anything but the election?

Hank
-- 
***************************************************************************

Henry E Chon
7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca
hechon@uwovax.uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario, London, Canada

"Do not worry about your problems in Mathematics, I can assure you mine are
 still greater."  A. Einstein
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: seungwoo@exa.cs.umn.edu (Seung-Woo Kim)
Subject: Re: Reading HAN.* news group
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:57:01 GMT

In article <Bz9oDz.Azw@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, ylee@norton.uwaterloo.ca (Yuri Lee) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec13.100845.16793@news.duc.auburn.edu> kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim) writes:
|> > In article <1992Dec9.005728.20044@worak.kaist.ac.kr> jycha@khsun.kyunghee.ac.kr (Jong-Yul Cha) writes:
|> >>    han.archives
|> >>    han.fun
|> >>    han.games
|> >>    han.hitel.fun
|> 
|> ....[ stuff deleted ]....
|> 
|> >>
|> >>I wish everyone could make best use of it.
|> >>
|> >
|> >After changing the NNTPSERVER, I could get those groupes. However
|> >when I tried to read one of them, only lots of ^^^^^^^ ^^^^ were shown on 
|> >screen.  
|> >
|> 
|> What is a NNTPSERVER and how do I access these News Groups ?
|> Give me some details.  
|> 
|> - Yuri
|> 
NNTPSERVER is a system variable. rtin looks for this variable and connects
to the news server specified by this variable. What I found annoying,however,
was that when it is connected to a different server other than your local 
server, it screws up your existing .newsrc file. I ended up with  modifying the
source code of rtin so that it uses .knewsrc file instead of .newsrc file.
The other way around is to backup your .newsrc file before you connect to
the news server at kum or worak. Otherwise, you will get tons of bogus
newsgroup when you want to  connect to your local server again. I think
the same goes with rn, too. 

Seung-Woo Kim
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: ^^^^^^^^^^    S H O C K I N G    R E S U L T S    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 02:00:03 GMT

mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO) writes:

>Anyway,  the game is over.  In this step,  DJ is suggested to one step
>back and support a well-qualified and popular future leader who can beat
>the next Minja-Dang's candidate.  

He knows what he has to do. That's why we, Democrats, loved him so much.
I'll support Lee Chul or Hong Sadok as a post-DJ. both of them are young,
and most of all, both of them are as eloquent as DJ and as smart as DJ.
The only problem might be they have less charisma compared to DJ.