From: "Amy Young Leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Nice Guys?
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 19:42:46 -0500

In article <1992Sep11.142100.1750@cs.rose-hulman.edu> montgojw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (II Jerry Montgomery) writes:
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>Don't you women out there like nice guys?  It seems that almost every  
>woman I know seems attracted by complete and utter assholes.  It's not  
>that these jerks are super studs, I could understand it then, there just  
>assholes.  It almost seems as if the bigger asshole you are, the better  
>your chances at meeting a woman are.  I've been accused of being a nice  

No, it's just that you're in a pissy mood and blaming the world for
your difficulties at any one time. 

>guy, and I'll tell you that is about the worst thing that you can say to a  
>guy.  I think the reason is that most guys realize the fact that nice guys  

Ok, you're a fucking immature asshole with shit for brains.  Does this
make you feel better?  And I mean it from the bottom of my heart, too.

>do not wind up with the girl (contrary to most movies).  It seems that you  
>ladies prefer to shower your attentions upon the biggest horse's ass you  
>can find and reserve nice guys for a shoulder to cry on when he fucks you  

Oh, well this is going to have WONDERFUL positive effects on the way
women look at you.  I know I take really kindly to people who
generalize and insult all women in general.  

>over.  All the while complaining that you never can meet Mr. Right.  Maybe  
>that's because you're going out with Mr. Wrong.  I've had women turn me  
>down for a date because I was a nice guy.  I might think that it's just  

Then try going out with a different type of woman, and not the type
you find checking out your auto title and your checkbook.  

>something about me (and it very well could be), but I know several guys  
>who are in the same position.  These guys are handsome enough (as guys  
>go), it just is odd that they seem to be having a lot of trouble getting  
>dates.  The only thing that I can see wrong with them is that they're nice  
>guys.  I just think that it's pretty sad that in this day and age it is  
>not in your best interest to be nice and polite.  Whatever happened to  
>chivalry and gentlemanly conduct as being attractive?

There's a small possible problem here... women and men seem to have a
big gap in what constitutes a "nice guy."  A nice guy has many
qualities for me that "nice <insert gender or qualification here>"
has.  A nice PERSON, in general.  

However, there are a lot of self proclaimed "nice guyz" out there who
are whiny, emotionally unstable, and/or egotistical and clinging that
no, women don't like.  However, they feel that since they don't watch
sports and drink to excess, that they are automatically every woman's
utopia.  Which, is not true.  

And of course, most of the men I have known who fall into the above
infantile babble have a lot in common with the women who go on the "I
hate men" rampages, and that's that they simply can't handle the hard
realities of rejection. 

Live with it. 

amy
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