From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Subject: "A nation chosen by GOD"?
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy,alt.atheism,talk.politics.misc
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 18:28:07 GMT

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From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: ** The Birth of NEW-ISRAEL ** ( Re: Death of America xx )
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:03:33 GMT
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <29DEC199212460728@utarlg.uta.edu>, b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (General Jubilation T.) writes:

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> 
> And no nation dedicated to military might could long survive the constant 
> stress and drain (sturm und drang) of unceasing overpreparedness. Nor can 
> the current futile attempt to become the protector and caretaker (policeman 
> and socialworker) of =The World=, begin to refuel the effort and sacrifice 
> needed to <... quietly reverential voice > "SUSTAIN-ECONOMIC-GROWTH." Or
> in the old times they would say "TO-WORSHIP-MAMMON." Be it War-God or 
> Money-God, bleeding for idols *is* too much to ask -- a non-motivator.
> 
> So no one other than -*GOD*- can save us now, economically or otherwise.
> Without a spiritual renewal, all our efforts will be like trying to breath 
> life into a corpse. In a nation where it's ok to express your private sex-
> uality in public, how much more then should one express their personal spirit-
> uality likewise? Anywhere and anytime. Personally.
> 
> So this is the way out, the only way -- through GOD. Not because you want 
> yourself saved (shallow self-preservation) -- but because you want to truly
> know and love GOD. The overflowing of such will set all else right. The offer 
> still remains, all that's needed is to accept it. The alternative is to coldy 
> turn away, and walk into the pit of destruction. That's just the way it works.
> 
> So let's bury the ghost of America. And turn to welcome the birth of the 
> nation of NEW-ISRAEL in our land. A nation chosen by GOD and saved by GOD.
> Not because there is any mystical entity which can be called "a nation,"
> but because we each more than any other people, enjoy a personal relation-
> ship with Our Creator -- One-to-One. Amen.
> 
>    |
> -- J --
>    |
>    |   Stephen     "by all means -- sound the trumpets"
> 
Thank you, Stephen, for saying what needed to be said.  Our economic
problems are indeed so great that the only way out is the way you suggest.
Such a solution is not without historical precedent if we recall the 
problems of the 1860's and the spiritual renewal that brought healing
to our land. In speaking out in such a way you are almost certain to bring
some reaction of scorn. Nonetheless, truth has always shined the brightest
during times of darkness.  With respect to our present leadership, we might
recall the words of the English novelist and historian H. G. Wells who
once noted:
	
	The true strength of rulers and empires lies not in armies
	or emotions, but in the belief of men that they are
	inflexibly open and truthful and legal.  As soon as a
	government departs from that standard, it ceases to be
	anything more than "the gang in possession" and its days
	are numbered.

I cannot help but feel that the US has become a hollowed out economic
shell in which anything now goes.  I suspect the government will
continue to make a few more attempts to fuel the engine with more
Iraqs, Somalias and Bosnias, but eventually it will sputter to a
halt as philosphies built on unsound principles always do.  For the
last several decades we seem to have greatly departed from the
Constitutional ideals inspired by faith in God and belief in the
inalienable rights of man to one more akin to that expressed by
Leonard Lewin in his truer than life novel "Report from Iron Mountain":

	The organizing principle of any society is for war.  The
	basic authority of a modern state over its people resides
	in its war powers.

The choice is ours.

-Joe Gaut

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