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From: kevinb@dev1.csg.ssd.fsi.com (Kevin Bonifield)
Subject: Re: mail expiration program
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:40:53 GMT
Organization: FlightSafety Simulation Systems Division - Tulsa


>	[re-formatted to less-than-80-column-lines]

Very annoying...I had to do the same thing. 

>>I am looking for a program which will ckeck every user's system mail box
>>and expires the mail which is older than some certain number of days. Any
>>help will be appreciated. 

>It seems to me that any policy of automatically deleting data belonging
>to a user is ethically unsound... especially e-mail.
>
>---------- The opinions expressed in this article are solely mine. -----------
><Insert lame attempt at disclaimer humor>
>sss/PU'94 Dept of CS (spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu)/JvNCnet (spencer@jvnc.net)
[rest of sig deleted]

It may seem unethical, but a sensible expiration program is sometimes required
to prevent large mail files from accumulating.  Example: a user signs on to
the INFO-UNIX mailing list and receives 300K+ byte mail messages each day.
The user goes on vacation for two weeks and forgets to signoff the list (or
cannot).  The /usr/spool/mail system mailbox for the user may grow large  
enough to threaten system resources.  Most likely it is just a combination
of users who don't delete their old mail (or save it to a local mailbox).
In the first example an expiration program won't work anyway, it takes some
sort of resource-checking program (I wrote a short script). 

I accidently brought a SUN system to its knees once by including an aliasing 
loop in my vacation program.  The sysadm had HIS vacation interrupted when the 
MAILERR messages accumulated to the point they used ALL the system file space.

My philosophy is: if you process your system mail within a reasonable amount
of time, it is yours.  If you allow it to create a system logjam (or eat up
what little system drive space I have) it is MINE.  It is entirely reasonable
to expect a user to save mail to a local folder or mailbox.

//Kevin

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From: mshah@ece.arizona.edu (Munil A. Shah)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: anonymous ftp script..
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:16:26 GMT
Reply-To: mshah@ece.arizona.edu (Munil A. Shah)
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering


	I want to transfer many files by anonymous ftp. And I want to do
it during the night by running a script. I am really poor with writing
a script. How can I specify ftp commands(login name,password,get,etc..)
in the script so that they should go run on ftp prompt and not on the shell
prompt.?

Munil.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.shell,comp.unix.questions
From: cooper@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (Ralph 'Hairy' Moonen)
Subject: Re: Logging in as root within a shell script
Followup-To: comp.unix.questions
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 07:59:10 GMT

In article <trung.712443864@sundance>, trung@sundance.SJSU.EDU (Trung Tran) writes:
> I would like to run a shell script which will ask me for the root's password
> before allowing me to do some other administrative tasks.  Once a correct
> password is entered, the script will go on executing the next command
> (instead of starting a root shell).  When all tasks are done, it will
> automatically log out of root shell and continue with the rest of the
> script.  Can someone please tell me if this is possible to achieve.  If so,
> how can it be done?  Or is it too risky?

It's allways risky, but OK, here goes:

# first part of script here, say start up things, etc....
# next you want to do things in root
su root <<EOF!
# place commands to be executed under root here
EOF!
# place more normal commands here...

This will prompt for the root password, and only continue after the 
password has been entered. If an incorrect password is given, the script
just continues execution of the commands that occur after the EOF! line.

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From: jh@cadre.com (Joe Hartley)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: Need values for 5Gb exabyte
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:59:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: fripp.1992Jul31.125932.23914
Reply-To: jh@cadre.com
Organization: Cadre Technologies Inc.

In article 1952@iex.uucp, danny@iex.UUCP (Danny Shaw) writes:
>I have a script that calculates the amount of data that will
>fit on a 2Gb exabyte using the following factors.
>
># Values for 2Gb exabyte
>BLOCKSIZE=126               # Blocking factor
>KB=2048000                  # Tape capacity in K-bytes
>KB_TO_FEET=341              # Kbytes to tape feet conversion factor 
>LOGICAL_BPI=54000           # Tape "logical" density
>
>
>I was wondering if someone knows the values for the 5Gb exabyte drive.
>
I just set up an EXB-8500 on an ELC running SunOS 4.1.1.  When I called Exabyte
to get the parameters for my dump scripts, they said all I had to do was 
double the density value so instead of 54000, I now use 108000.  Sounds like
this is your fix as well.
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From: ericw@hobbes.amd.com (Eric Wedaa)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Disaster Plans/Recovery
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:30:54 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

Has anyone out there in Netland written a "Disaster Planning and 
Recovery" Document?  And if you have, could you email me a copy?

Specifically, I am looking for something that addresses the 
following three points:

    1) Threat analysis: What could happen, the possibility that it
       could happen, and the cost of it happening

    2) Threat prevention: How can we prevent the threat, or 
       minimize it's impact on our business.

    3) Disaster Recovery: What do we do after it has happened?
       This could cover anything from how to do restores, to 
       cleaning up the computer room after the Halon system 
       has gone off.

Much thanks in advance.

>>Ericw
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.large
From: wilsenac@farm.mpr.ca (I'd Rather Be Farming...)
Subject: Re: USENIX Launches SAGE
Followup-To: comp.unix.admin #7185
Reply-To: wilsenac@farm.mpr.ca
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 01:36:08 GMT

   I looking for more information about SAGE, the System Administrators'
Guild launched by USENIX in early June.  I know that Article #7185 of
comp.unix.admin introduced what SAGE was all about and there have been
1 or 2 followup articles about SAGE since then.  Some someone either
re-post them or Email them directory to me.  Thanks!  Cheers!

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From: me@amiganet.chi.il.us (Corey Sweeney)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: lp port
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:24:21 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

Hello.   I've got this problem and I was wondering if someone could help.

I have a laser jet printer.  If I boot my SCO machine on dos floppy I
can copy con lpt1 and the text that I type in will spew out of the
printer.  So I boot up
In SCO (off the hard drive) and try lp {filename} and nothing comes out.
 So I
run sysadmsh and look at the queue and the file is still in the queue
waiting to print with everyone elses file who has tried to print for the
last week.  So I go to /dev and do a ls l* I find 4 relavant files
lp,lp0,lp1,lp2.  I try
 
date > lp0 and I get a "lp:cannot create" error.  So even though I don't
have
a mono card hooked up I smack "date > lp1" and I get the same error.
Then If I try "date > lp2" It locks up( the task).  So I try typing "hwconfig
name=parallel" and you know what It gives me?  a ">>> Missing
base/finish address in hex format 0x????" and I'm not in finland (he.
he...).  Anyway then the next line is name=parallel base=0x278
offset=0x2 vec=05 dma=- unit=2.
 
 
woops I forgot to mention that the ">>>" was printed twice.  I now have
no idea who to do.  any sugestions?
 
Corey Sweeney
From: john@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Date: 18 Jul 92 06:11 MDT
Subject: Re: Centralized user-id server
Nf-ID: #R:Br6vyA.Gxw@dptspd.sat.datapoint.:-1049334411:1992Jul18.021152.1708@news.iasta:1387048270:001:1129
Nf-From: iastate.edu!john    Jul 18 06:11:00 1992


zwicky@erg.sri.com (Elizabeth Zwicky) writes:
}In article <10#mhdm@dixie.com> stan@dixie.com (Stan Brown) writes:
}>aej@manyjars.WPI.EDU (Allan E Johannesen) writes:
}>>>>>>> On 10 Jul 92 20:08:33 GMT, lcz@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com (Lee Ziegenhals) said:
}>>lcz> I recall reading somewhere (I believe in one of the Usenix
}>>lcz> conference proceedings) about a centralized user name server.

}>>Sounds sort of like kerberos/hesoid.

}Absolutely, completely and totally certain. Neither Kerberos nor NIS
}provide the service he's talking about, which has to do with
}*creating* user accounts, not logging in.

Actually, the combination of kerberos, hesiod, and moira (all born in 
MIT's Project Athena) *does* do all of this -- we use them [you can also
buy the DECathena product from, you guessed it, DEC].

John
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford)
Subject: Re: Two printers on one print server
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:20:11 GMT

Richard Deal writes
> In article <1992Jul23.141026.18099@ucunix.san.uc.edu>  
brenner@ucunix.san.uc.edu (David L. Brenner) writes:
> >I have an IPC and want to use it as a print server.  I have two
> >SPARCPrinters and want to set them up so that if one printer is busy the
> >other one will get the new print jobs.
> >
> >Has anyone done this?  If so, please let me know how you did it.
> >
> I would be very interested in this also please email me also or post.  I have 
> several printers all HP lasers (different models though) that are shared with
> PC-NFS (uses regular UNIX remote printing).  Most of the printers are  
actually
> on SPARC's.  We have one heavy user who often prints several thousand pages 
> to an HPIIIsi.  when this is going on is there any easy way to spool other 
> print requests to another printer rather than Queing them up.  
> thanks in advance.
> 

Define a new print queue called generic.
Run a script that checks the status of your printers.  When it finds one that's  
free, or has only a small job, it runs submits the job to the new printer, and  
deletes it from the generic printer.  It's a kludge and a hack, but you should  
be able to do it with a hundred lines of perl or awk.

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From: bonney@esds.mdc.com
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Date: 17 Jul 92 19:37 MDT
Subject: Re: Help Needed: How to send mail to "e
Nf-ID: #R:1992Jul16.224234.13551@cco.calte:-1588270126:1992Jul17.153708.3411@esds.mdc.c:-2059637195:001:1065
Nf-From: esds.mdc.com!bonney    Jul 17 19:37:00 1992


In article <1992Jul16.224234.13551@cco.caltech.edu> jafl@cco.caltech.edu (John Lindal) writes:
>Does anyone know how to send mail to everyone on a particular system
>without having to specify all the user names?
>
>Please respond by e-mail to: jafl@cco.caltech.edu
>
>P.S. I'm trying to save myself some time every time the system fills up.
>     When it's full, I have to mail everybody to get them to clean up.
>
>Thanks
>

I suggest you get a book called "UNIX System Administration", by Nemeth, Snyder,
and Seebass, published by Prentice Hall.  This is the classic book that every
Unix Admin should have.  Among other things, it has a script called "spacegripe"
which you can call from your cron.  It looks for partitions that are getting
full, and automatically sends messages to disk-hogs.  Unfortunately, the real
problem arises when people choose to ignore these messages.  What can you do
then?

By the way, if you use NFS and NIS (formerly yp), you should also look into a
book called "Managing NFS and NIS" by Hal Stern, from O'Reilly & Associates,
Inc.

Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: art@wvus.org (Art Nicolaysen)
Subject: Re: Help Needed: How to send mail to "everybody" at once
Reply-To: art@wvus.org (Art Nicolaysen)
Organization: World Vision U.S.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 05:28:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul17.153708.3411@esds.mdc.com> bonney@esds.mdc.com (Greg Bonney) writes:
>In article <1992Jul16.224234.13551@cco.caltech.edu> jafl@cco.caltech.edu (John Lindal) writes:
>>Does anyone know how to send mail to everyone on a particular system
>>without having to specify all the user names?
>>
>>P.S. I'm trying to save myself some time every time the system fills up.
>>     When it's full, I have to mail everybody to get them to clean up.

>I suggest you get a book called "UNIX System Administration", by Nemeth, 
>Snyder, and Seebass, published by Prentice Hall.  

[..details about .. "spacegripe" shell script...]

>Unfortunately, the real problem arises when people choose to ignore 
>these messages.  What can you do then?

I should point out that you can modify the output of the "spacegripe"
script to generate a "top 10 disk hogs" list that you can append to
/etc/motd.  This is one alternative Nemeth, et al discuss for getting
people to clean up their directories w/o the sysadmin having to send
them reminders over and over again.

My only objection to this script is that it is written with csh syntax
(eech!).  `


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From: chris@ceco.ceco.com (Chris Icide)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: spying
Date: 23 Jul 92 03:35:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Commonwealth Edison Co.

In article <RsL-XFB@engin.umich.edu> tapostma@mambo.engin.umich.edu (Todd Allan Postma) writes:
>
>There is a program out there with this in mind called xwatchwin
>(or xwatchwin2).  You can find the source at ftp.uu.net in
>/usenet/comp.sources.x/volume3/xwatchwin
>or 
>/usenet/comp.sources.x/volume3/xwatchwin2

This program allows you to see a "current" view of what a user is doing
as he/she does it.  You can specify a single window or the root window.
I found it to be very slow unless the window you are viewing is small.
However, the user you are watching has no indication that you are watching
except for the load on the CPU.

						Chris
From: chrism@vicstoy.UUCP (Chris Matthews)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: transfer of files via cpio through direct connection
Date: 28 Jul 92 04:15:26 GMT
Organization: vicstoy: Public Access Unix, Orlando, FL

I need some help here.  I have a down'd xenix box with some data on the
root file system.  THe problem is this:  every time i go to backup,
either with cpio or tar the system locks up.  I have tried tar'ing out
to just the floppy, but after a few files, the system locks up.  I believe
the xenix os is corrupt.  what i need to do is to try a backup via a direct
connect of my unix box.  this is where i need help:    should i set up
micnet <sys v sco> and try to find all files on the xenix box then pipe
those files through cpio over to my unix box?  it sounds like this will
work, but if anyone out there knows of a better way, even if it is obvious,
PLEASE!  let me know.
thanks,
chrism
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: muradia@bwdlh496.bnr.ca (Rajiv Muradia)
Subject: Re: Looking for multi-chat or partyline software
Reply-To: muradia@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:26:24 GMT

In article <akrx5kq@rpi.edu>, ira@virtual.rdrc.rpi.edu (Ira Lee) writes:
> Hello,
> I am looking for a program that lets multiple users from different
> hosts chat at the same time.  I was about to write my own but decided
> to check the net to see if it had already been done.
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks.
> ira

Have you checked out xparty by Andrew Peebles, MIPS Computer Systems, here is 
a bit of the man page.

      xparty is a Motif-based X windows utility that allows  multiple  users
      on  different  displays to hold a ``conference call''.  It takes after
      talk  and  xtalk,  but  allows  more  that  two  people  to   hold   a
      conversation.   It  also  allows  static messages to be sent to remote
      displays.

      When xparty is invoked, the  invoking  user  sees  the  ``originator''
      screen.   When  the  originator initiates a conversation, users on the
      remote displays see the ``party'' screen.  Both  screen  organizations
      are described in this document.

OR xtv.

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Xref: sparky comp.unix.admin:4231 comp.admin.policy:913 alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk:2355
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin,comp.admin.policy,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
Subject: Re: Corporate E-Mail Policies
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:06:11 GMT
Followup-To: comp.admin.policy
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central

Mitch> == Mitch Sako <mitch@lsil.com> 

 Mitch> I'm trying to formulate a corporate policy for our e-mail.  This
 Mitch> includes the privacy and free speech issues too.  We wish to
 Mitch> have our e-mail private and uncensored, protected from intrusion
 Mitch> from management, and encouraging a productive exchange of ideas
 Mitch> and information.

 Mitch> I know many companies, schools, and organizations have written
 Mitch> policies regarding this.  If anyone out there can send theirs to
 Mitch> me directly I would appreciate it very much.

This is probably better asked on comp.admin.policy; followups properly aimed.

You might also want to check out the Computers & Academic Freedom
archives on ftp.eff.org; there are quite a few email policies (including
critiques) stored there that you might find useful.
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   ``The First Amendment is often inconvenient.  But that is besides the
  point.  Inconvenience does not absolve the government of its obligation
         to tolerate speech.'' --Justice Anthony Kennedy, in 91-155
From: VBAGGIOL@ESRIN.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Date: 18 Jul 92 09:49 MDT
Subject: DNS and mail: using twice the same 
Nf-ID: #N:92199.174046VBAGGIOL@esrin.bitne:1851060721:001:2358
Nf-From: esrin.bitnet!VBAGGIOL    Jul 18 09:49:00 1992


Dear Fellow-Networkers,

I am setting up the DNS on a SUN workstation (running SunOS 4.1) and I'm
trying to configure the mail exchanger (MX) entries.
The problem is that I would like to use one and the same symbolic address
for two services:
- for a telnet-based service running on one host, and
- for the e-mail-service running on a different host.

Let's call the domain "ourdom.org". The symbolic address "ourdom.org" has
been assigned to a machine with telnet-access only (192.192.192.1).
In order to have easy-to-remember mailing addresses ("user@ourdom.org"),
I would like to use "ourdom.org" also in a MX record, but with another
host acting as mail host ("ourmail.ourdom.org", 192.192.192.3).

I have tried the set-up given below, but all smtp connections seem
to go to the host 192.192.192.1 and not to the mailhost 192.192.192.3...

Does anybody know a way to achieve the desired behaviour?


      =======================================
Here is a part of the zone file for in.named:

; DNS zone file "ourdom.zone"
; name {ttl}    class   SOA     origin               person_in_charge
@               IN      SOA     our_ns.ourdom.org.   root@our_ns.ourdom.org.
(
                                9206261             ;serial number
                                86400               ;refresh interval
                                1800                ;retry time
                                2592000             ;expire
                                86400   )           ;minimum ttl
                IN      NS      our_ns.ourdom.org.
;
      .... omitted lines ....
;
; the following line stands for the domain name ourdom.org:
@               IN      A       192.192.192.1
; mail exchanger:
@               IN      MX      10  ourmail
*.@             IN      MX      10  ourmail
;
; name-to-address mappings:
our_ns          IN      A       192.192.192.2
ourmail         IN      A       192.192.192.3

      =======================================


Any help is grately appreciated!

Cheers,

Vito

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From: john@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Date: 18 Jul 92 06:48 MDT
Subject: Re: Opinions requested on booting U
Nf-ID: #N:1992Jul18.024819.3009@news.iasta:1102956898:001:1215
Nf-From: iastate.edu!john    Jul 18 06:48:00 1992


In article <sasbge.711348652@ant> sasbge@unx.sas.com (Gantt Edmiston) writes:

   [...sends e-mail before reboots at night...]

}I've got one person, who refuses to logoff even after repeated requests
}and mail notices.  Since I tend to be "Mr. Niceguy", I trot down to his
}office and manually log him out when I have to do a reboot.  Today, I
}confronted him with my frustrations over the hassle he is causing.  He
}told me that he didn't care about whether or not I "killed" his
}processes or not.

}All opinions are welcome, I would prefer the flames to be send to me
}via Email.  I apologize for the length of this post, but it is my
}first to this group after reading it for some time.

I gave up trying to protect everyone from themselves -- I'd just let his
machine have it -- when he gets burned (and he will), he'll wise up
(I'd make sure your supervisor supports with this policy).

John
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John Hascall           Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain
Project Vincent                                                              
Iowa State University Computation Center                     john@iastate.edu
Ames, IA  50011                                      515/294-9551 [fax -1717]