Organization: Johannes Kepler University Linz - Computing Center
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:21:08 CET
From: <K3016E2@ALIJKU11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body,alt.dreams
Subject: Dreams, Theories and OOBE's


CONTENTS (two parts): Instruction
                      1) Connection Between "Etherprojections" And Dreams
                      2) Dreaming On The "Astralplane"

INSTRUCTION:

The human consists of:
  1) Physical Body
  2) Etherbody (which moves the physical and has his shape)
  3) Astralbody (has the shape you think of but also a basic shape)
  4) Mentalbodies (contain the consciousness)

ETHERPROJECTIONS: The ether- astral- and Mentalbodies leave the physical
  Body. This happens every night to load the etherbody with new non-

physical energy (like a battery). This also happens some time during a
dream. The first part tells you how such dreams are|

ASTRALPROJECTIONS: The astral- and Mentalbodies are free. This also
  happens every night but with reduced consciousness - This is called
dreaming. Your astralbody travels through a world build up with astral-
matter consisting of:

  "DREAMWORLD" (don't know a better word): Everything is created by your
subconsciousness. Everything changes here, nothing is stable, like the
subconsciousness. - If you get the full consciousness (you know you are
"in" a dream) this experience is called "Lucid Dreaming".

  "ASTRALWORLD" Many mystics talked about these worlds. All the decased
"live" anywhere in these worlds according to their development. These
worlds are more stable; changes take time here and need the permission of the
"designer" of a special world. Dreams in these worlds are the theme of
part two (only theories which may be helpfull).

****** PART ONE - DREAMS AND ETHER PROJECTIONS *************************

I) Dreamtyps:
     Already Muldoon wrots (1929,(1)) about dreams of:
1. Flying                   4. Being beated an the head
2. Floating                 5. Seving to a fantasy thing
3. Falling                  6. Moving by lift
     wich are caused by the movings of the etherbody.
     (He also spoked about "flutter"-dreams but I don't know what he
     really means).
     Robert Monroe mentioned (2) that there were examinations which seem
     to prove that
7. "Going by car"
     belong to this category. (QUESTION: Knows anyone of you more about this
     note).
8. Dreams with uncontolled movings of the dreambody/vehicle
     (The will has generally no influence on this)
9. BUT also other dreams may occure while an etherprojection
     For example: As I was a child I often dreamed of trying to switch on
     the light. But I had no success and then I always got frightend -
     "the devil had done this and will catch me. Then I awaked sweeting
     and full of fears.
       But in September 1992 I dreamed this again (the last time) and be-
     came so angry that my consciousness awaked. It was dark for a short
     time. Then I looked outside through the window from a position to
     that I had lying in bed. My "body" (etherbody) was vibrating and
     prickling. Then I heard earsplitting noise and voises. But it was
     quiet as I had returned to the physical body. I feld the vibrations
     and the prickling much more intensiv then. Then they faded away.

SYMBOLS (short list):
------------------------------------------------------------------------
   dreamsymbol                      |           reality
------------------------------------------------------------------------
* clothline, cabel, rape, tube, ... |  "astral-cord"
* fantasy-thing, monster; something |  physical body
     that comes nearer and nearer   |
     or sew to.                     |
* dreambody (astralbody), car,      |  etherbody
     airplane, ballon; the vehicle  |
     you use in your dream.         |
* "dreamself"                      (?) astralbody
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Movings of the dreambody            |  Movings of the etherbody
------------------------------------------------------------------------
* falling                           |  return to the pysical body
* flying, floating                  |  etherbody floats above the physical
                                    |     body (in most cases)
* moving upward                     |  the etherbody floats upward
* uncontolled movings               |  the shaking of the etherbody
  ........                          |  ..........
                (I think you will find other symbols too).
________________________________________________________________________

How can you prove an etherprojection while dreaming ?
(sometimes sleep too)

I) (Remember the dream I told you|) You have the same dream or dream-
   pattern very often. One time your consciousness awakes and you'll
   find yourself out of the physical body (in the etherbody), in most
   cases near it. Muldoon wrote down other examples (1).
II) (My methode) You awake after a dream. Then try to move your hand
   or better try to write down your dreamexperiences on a paper you
   prepaired. If it is difficult to do this (and hearts a little)
   the previous dream has happened while an etherprojection. (This is
   just my personal experience I want to share with you).
   Unfortunately you can't use this methode for hypnagogical dreams
   (dreams seping the sleep).
III) (Suggestion for research) This is just an idea a friend of mine
   had. Put a bed on a scale and somebody sleep in this bed. Then
   watch the quick decreases/increases of the weight during the night.
   (The etherbody's weight is about 70 gram - determined by Dr Duncan
   Mc Dougall (3)).

CONSEQUENCES:

1) Maybe this paragraphs help you to understand some of the events
   happening during sleep. (4)
2) There's a communication between the etherbody an the astralbody
   (dreambody) (See list of symbols|). But we don't know why and how
   this happens.
3) BUT the events in the dream can also have influence on the movings
   of the etherbody. This is used to get an etherprojection in the
   methode of "dream-guiding (Muldoon descriped in detail,(5)).

REMARKS:
(1) S.Muldoon/H.Carrington, "The Projection Of The Astralbody" (better
    etherbody), especially capter 4 and 6.
(2) R.Monroe, "Far Journeys", Appendix 1.
(3) S.Muldoon/H.Carrington, "The Projection Of The Astralbody", capter
    14, "calculated weight of the astralbody".
(4) ----"----, capter 11,"typical dreams during an astralprojection".
(5) ----"----, capter 6.


****** PART TWO - DREAMING ON THE "ASTRALPLANE" ***********************

Mystics and many other peoble reported unbelifeable dreams. - Masters
of the opposite world showed and explained them the mysteries of the
hole creation.
No, I won't talk about these adventures and prove their truth or not-
truth. My question is:
  Is it possible to have dreams happening on the astralplane?
My answer is yes but they are rare.
Remark: I think it's generally also possible that dreams happen in the
  pysical universe as astralprojections can happen here.

HOW CAN YOU PROVE THIS?

1) A spirit told a german technican:"Try to change someting you see -
   a tree or another object - with your awakened will| Can you do this -
   so you are dreaming (a lucid dream). - but can't you do this with all
   eforts of will so you are on a real non-physical plane. ... Astral-
   planes are real creations of a non-physical creater and you can change
     them only with permission of the "designer" of this area. ...."(1)
   But how can you do this while dreaming (with decreased consciousness)?
     The magic word is "DREAM-CONTROLL" (2) - You suggest yourself that
   you will try to change an object in your dream befor spleeping.
2) The next methode is descriped in Charlos Castaneda's book "Journey to
   Ixtlan":
   Fix an object in your dream (with your eyes) - in the dreamworld it
   often changes then. If not your consciousness maybe will be awakened;
   in that case use number 1).
3) You meet a deceased person and he/she tells you personal things
   unknown by you. After awaking you prove the truth of these claims.
4) There's the curious fact (3) that the basic shape of the astralbody
   is totally different to that of the physical body. BUT everyone who
   is in the astralbody, too, can identify you (in your astralbody) alt-
   though you (your astralbody) looks different.
   I can't find any reason why the subconsciousness should show us other
   people (in our dreams) as they look in their astralbodies. - So I
   think this is an interesting element of your dreams you should search
   for.
Here's one of my dreams as an example:
  I met a girl. - If I think of what she (her body) looked like I'm not
able to say who she was. - But in the dream I knew she was Dane King
(name changed).
  This are just a few ideas I wanted to tell you.

                                               Josef P}hringer
                                           physics student, Austria

P.S: Critique wellcome|
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