HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dmm0t@rincewind.mech.virginia.edu (David Meyer)
Subject: trn 2.3 for the NeXT
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 00:04:58 GMT

For anyone who's interested, compiling the newsreader trn version 2.3
on a NeXT under 3.0 is thoroughly easy.  Wayne Davison has done an
excellent job of making trn easily portable.  If anyone's interested
in binaries, send me e-mail and I'll put something together.

			Dave

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David M. Meyer                             Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering
dmm0t@rincewind.mech.virginia.edu          University of Virginia
NeXTmail ok
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Login Tiff
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 12:46:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.115338.2267@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>Well, here I sit, head hung in shame.

One more note: obviously I did it as root before too.  I'm
fallible, but not stupid.  :-)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: robert@amo.mit.edu(Robert Lutwak)
Subject: Re: Has anyone found a way to fax from the command line?
Reply-To: robert@amo.mit.edu
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 14:16:32 GMT

> In article <BzM7E9.7B8@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> tsui@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu  
> (yufeng tsui) writes:
> > In article <62956@mimsy.umd.edu> alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) writes:
> > >Has anyone found a way to fax from the command line?

> > My question is, how do I specify to send a fax at 11:00pm through
> > command line under 3.0?  Thanks.
> > 

I haven't tried this.

Check out the release notes for lpr (in particular, search for
"fax" in NextAdmin with DL).  The 3.0 lpr allows an argument for
-DYYYYMMDDhhmm for deferred printing.
Apparently, all fax jobs go through lpr.  Watch the spool
directories (like /usr/spool/NeXT/Local_Fax) when you send
a fax.  I imagine that command-line faxing will just require
modifying the header on your .ps file to include entries like:

%%NXFaxVersion: 300
%%NXFaxNumber: xxx-xxxx
%%NXFaxTo: My Friend
%%NXFaxNotify: YES
%%NXFaxHires: YES
%%NXFaxTrim: YES

I haven't tried this.


 
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Robert Lutwak                           robert@amo.mit.edu
Atomic Resonance and Spectroscopy Laboratory
MIT
From: rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us (Bob Peirce #305)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: NeXTSTEP PROGRAMMING is here
Date: 22 Dec 92 12:12:35 GMT
Reply-To: rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us (Bob Peirce #305)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cookson, Peirce & Co., Pittsburgh, PA

I got my copy yesterday.  I ordered it from Springer about two months
ago.  Yes, the floppy is for MS-DOS.

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From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
Subject: Re: SoftPC
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 05:59:37 GMT

bradshaw@thelma.hq.af.mil (Michelle A. Bradshaw) writes:



>In article <1992Dec30.201547.21564@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>  
>andrew@uaneuro.uah.ualberta.ca (Andrew Penn) writes:

>I have a floppy disc entombed in my Station running 3.0 curtesy of  
>SoftPC 2.0. Can someone tell me how to get it out?

>I had the EXACT same problem earlier this month.  Here's my solution:
>	Get to the ROM monitor by pressing the ~ key (without  
>pressing Shift) while holding 	down the Command bar (hold down both  
>Command keys on keyboards that have 	two). When you see the "nmi>"  
>prompt, type monitor.
This is really not a good practice.  Typing 'monitor' from the NMI
monitor prompt is asking for a corrupt disk.  A safer course of
action here is to first kill off the SoftPC process or anything else
that might have a hold of the floppy, become root, and type 'disk -e
/dev/rfd0a'.  Then, reboot cleanly with Command-~ or the 'reboot'
command as root.  The reboot is necessary because you have confused
the autodiskmount daemon by manually ejecting the disk without
properly unmounting it.  (If you don't reboot, disks that are
inserted will not be recognized)

>	At the "NeXT>" prompt, type ef for eject floppy.  Once you  
>get your diskette back, 	type c for continue.
Last time I checked (granted, I haven't used a NeXT for close to 3
weeks now, horror of horrors, so my memory may be cloudy by a warm
vacation in S.C.), there is no 'continue' available in the Monitor,
only in the NMI mini-monitor.  Once you have exited to the monitor,
you have killed the processes that were running.  In a very unclean
manner, I might add.

>	NOTE:  Your floppy drive has a small hole next to it.   
>Shoving the end of a paper clip 	into this hole may force the  
>diskette to be ejected (it didn't for me, but that's what the 	hole  
>is there for).

This, coupled with a clean reboot (command-~), is the best advice
for people who don't want to muck around in UNIX.  I have never seen
an operable floppy drive whose hole failed to eject a disk when a 
sturdy paperclip was stuck in it.
-- 
David Lemson                                                (217) 244-1205
University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin
Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu                UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson 
NeXTMail & MIME accepted                           BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca (N Tomczak-Jaegermann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: tipx for NeXT
Keywords: x/y/zmodem
Date: 29 Dec 92 05:01:49 GMT
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada

Due to a popular demand :-) I uploaded an archive which contains
modified sources and NeXT executables of tipx - a simple communication
program with built-in support for x/y/zmodem protocols.  You should
be able to find them on sonata.cc.purdue.edu and cs.orst.edu.
Currently in pub/next/submissions.  In case of troubles please let
me know.

   Michal Jaegermann
   ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca
From: cohen@andy.bu.edu (Andrew Cohen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: nextmail/MIME conversion
Keywords: MIME, NeXTMail
Date: 22 Dec 92 05:17:13 GMT
Reply-To: cohen@andy.bu.edu

Does anyone have a nextmail/MIME conversion routine they could send me?

Thanks

Andy Cohen
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: fantasy style login image
Date: 22 Dec 92 13:56:58 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison

In article <1992Dec22.101601.20122@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

Sure as hell someone will misread my (admittedly a bit
garbled) syntax, do the wrong thing, and then I'll feel
guilty for some small number of microseconds.  Why risk it?

>As root:

>cd /usr/lib/NextStep/loginwindow.app/English.lproj

>If you've never changed your login panel tiff before, save
>the original (which is just good system administration, eh?):

>mv nextlogin.tiff nextlogin.tiff.orig

You only need to do this once, of course.

>Then put your new tiff in its place:

>cp -p <yourpath/yourimage.tiff> nextlogin.tiff

This is probably better written as:

cp -p yourpath/yourimage.tiff nextlogin.tiff

so somebody doesn't try redirection.

>If English isn't your local language, your *.lproj directory
>will be appropriately different, of course.

>Then log out, and type exit<return> as the login name; that
                  ^on the resulting login panel (the old one, still)
>restarts the Window Server, bringing up the new login panel.

Many people have said you kill the Windowserver by giving
'exit' as the login name and <return> as the password.  This
isn't actually correct; exit<return> does it and there is no
associated password prompt.

>Woe to you if you've misspelled the name nextlogin.tiff, so
>be careful.  

No login panel will appear, which means you will next be
booting in single-user mode, fixing the error, and
continuing the boot.

>Within NeXTstep, logged on as root, you can open
>loginwindow.app with command-O, similarly
><local_language.lproj>, rename the old file, and drag in a
>copy of the new one.  

Renaming it nextlogin.tiff, of course.

>I've been designing a big batch of new login panel tiffs and
>am about to release them to the world (I wasn't sure of the
>world was all that interested), so I've done this a lot
>lately.

It's a funny thing.  I spent really a *lot* of hours in my
various draw programs and in Icon, making these things, some
of which are fairly complex.  After maybe a hundred of them
(75 since pitched out, perhaps), I finally felt a very
simple one would be best, for me.  Since I have my
background set to black, many of the ones I made look best
on that and would not seem as mysterious or grand or
whatever on a grey background.  Oh, that reminds me: they're
all monochrome, as I have no access to color (good thing,
too, because then hundreds, rather than tens, of hours would
have been consumed fiddling with those possibilities.  It
was all therapeutic, I guess.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
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From: dan@quiensabe.az.stratus.com (Dan Danz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: fantasy style login image
Date: 30 Dec 1992 04:06:47 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Reply-To: dan@az.stratus.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: quiensabe.az.stratus.com

Kristian Koehntopp writes
> ..[deleted]..
> You may also do a
> 
> dwrite loginwindow MoveWhenIdle YES
> 
> The loginwindow will begin to sweep across the screen after an
> idle period to prevent burnin. The animation is extremely bad.

I found that the following works for me - the image moves slowly
enough.

loginwindow HostName localhost
loginwindow ImageFile /usr/local/adm/unixDeamon.tiff
loginwindow MoveWhenIdle YES
loginwindow MovementRate 0.125
loginwindow MovementScale 3
loginwindow MovementTimeout 20
loginwindow TimeToDim 8160

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From: gsk@world.std.com (Geoffrey S Knauth)
Subject: Free Software Workshop, Moscow, 4/19-23
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 14:25:07 GMT

	     CONFERENCE ANNOUNCEMENT AND CALL FOR PAPERS

   There is a conference on Free Software taking place in Moscow,
Russia, April 19-23, 1993.

   The conference is hosted by SUUG, the Society of Unix User Groups
(formerly the Soviet Unix Users Group), the Russian Center for Systems
Programming, the Russian Chapter of the Free Software Foundation, and
the International Center for Scientific and Technical Information.

   Participant specialists are coming from North America, Europe and
Japan.  We have just learned that Richard Stallman, founder of the
Free Software Foundation, and recipient of the ACM Admiral Grace
Hopper Award and MacArthur Fellowship, will attend.

   The main topics of the Workshop include:
   - the current state of the GNU project and other FSF projects;
   - "free" software means information freedom and sharing;
   - free software portability in Open Systems environments;
   - user experiences with free software;
   - free software in education and training;
   - legal aspects of free software;
   - relevance of free software to NIS modernization and democracy;
   - how NIS scientists can contribute to free software.

   Concurrent with the conference, there will be a small exhibition
demonstrating free software in a networked heterogeneous environment.

   The conference encourages submissions of original designs, papers
and ideas, and it welcomes the participation of computer and software
companies.

   In the past, a conference of this kind has drawn 120-140 attendees
from within the former Soviet Union, including 20-30 computer
specialists, 60-80 enthusiasts, 20-30 persons from the commercial
sector and members of the public.  This year the turnout is expected
to be larger, because there is great interest in free software among
all kinds of programmers and users.

   The precise location of the conference will be announced in the
coming months.

   For further information, you may contact any of the following
members of the program committee:

Name                        Telephone            E-mail
--------------------------  -----------------    ----------------------
Moscow
  Sergei Kuznetsov (Chair)  +7 (095) 272-4425    kuz@ivann.delta.msk.su
  Peter Brusilovski         +7 (095) 198-7055    plb@plb.icsti.su
  Dmitry Volodin            +7 (095) 231-2129    dvv@hq.demos.su
Boston
  Geoffrey S. Knauth        +1 (617) 891-5555    gsk@marble.com

   Please send proposals for participation, paper abstracts and texts
via e-mail to the Chair <kuz@ivann.delta.msk.su>.

-- 
Geoffrey S. Knauth, Marble Associates, Inc.                Member BCS-NeXT, LPF
gsk@marble.com, (617) 891-5555                             Standard Disclaimers
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: zeno@phylo.genetics.washington.edu (Sean Lamont)
Subject: Wanted, NeXTReview post
Organization: Abstract Software
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:27:08 GMT

a few weeks ago in csn.announce there was a posting regarding a new
publication called NeXTReview.  I would appreciate it if someone could forward 
me a copy of the article.

Thanks.
-- 
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zeno@genetics.washington.edu             |    'computer of color!' "
lamont@abstractsoft.com                  |_______________________________
Abstract Software                                                         
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: karuzis@wccf.mit.edu (GLENN HOLM)
Subject: Adobe Collectors edition - NeXT?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: MIT - Whitaker College
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 05:55:00 GMT

I don't see Adobe Collectors Edition (collections of PS fills
and borders) anywhere being sold for NeXT. There are some samples
though, in Adobe Illustrator gallery files /patterns and arrows.
There appears to be a Mac version (according to Adobe's faxback).

Anyone know if this works out of the box on NeXT? I gather they
come as Illustrator or EPS clips.  I got the samples to work as
tiled fills in Virtuoso.  Will follow up on how if there's interest.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: finger@convex.com (Jay Finger)
Subject: How to mount NeXTSTEP_3.0 CDROM
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:35:05 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


Can somebody tell me what options I need to give to mount(8) so that I can
mount the 3.0 CDROM?  I need to get to some data on the disk while in
single-user, so letting Workspace automount the disk is not an option.

thanks in advance
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon)
Subject: Trouble with Tekton
Organization: SMU - School of Engineering & Applied Science - Dallas
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:55:02 GMT

Has anoyone had trouble with the Tekton font located on Sonata?
(/pub/next/graphics/fonts/Tekton.tar.Z)  I've downloaded all the 
fonts from there, plus installed quite a few of my own, but is the
only one that seems to give me problems.  Everytime I attempt to use
it, I end up with 12-point Helvetica, regardless of the selected point
size.  I know the .afm is working, because although the charectors are in
12-point type, the relative kerning of the cursor acts as though I were
printing the correct size letters.  (ie.  If I type "xyzzy" with Tekton
64-point, "xyzzy" appears as 12-poin Helvi, but the cursor is halfway
down the screen)  All the other fonts work fine, I've even re-downloaded
this sucker several times to make sure evything was ok.  If anyone has a
working copy, tell me how you installed it!  (or if you are extremely
cheery then please NeXTmail a copy over_)

Thanks,

David L. Leon
dleon@seas.smu.edu
.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar)
Subject: Re: Atlanta
Reply-To: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar)
Organization: Los Alamos National Lab
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:01:43 GMT

In article <BzKtoG.MwL@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> sailer@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Lee  
Sailer) writes:
> 
> Who's who in Atlanta.  Are there any NeXT user groups, developers,  
dealers,
> NeRDs, NuRDS here?
> 
Speaking of Atlanta, has anyone heard from Erica Lieb recently?  And,  
whatever happened to the BuzzNUG at Georgia Tech?

   Dick Silbar
From: ak520@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Lucas Wagner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Software lock-in, NeXT get a life!
Date: 30 Dec 1992 23:14:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ak520@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Lucas Wagner)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, eronald@fml.tuwien.ac.at (Edmund Ronald) says:

> I write. I write for a living. I write on my cube, when I can. Then I have
> to hand the copy in to an editor.   Said (human :) editor sits in front 
> of a PC. My text is usually in French, contains all these nice accents
> which the french seem to need like salt and pepper.
>
>  There is a DOS Ascii character set, and a Windows character set. 
>
>  HOW THE HELL IS ONE SUPPOSED TO MOVE TEXT TO EITHER? 
>  AM I THE ONLY MAN IN THE WORLD WHO GETS ANGRY ABOUT THIS?
>  OH, YES, I KNOW ABOUT RTF. ON THE NEXT RTF MEANS NEXT_RTF :(
>
>  ARGH.
>
> Edmund (who also happens to be a NeXT developper, but can't be bothered)
>

Isn't there a text conversion utility on the market yet which
will do this?  This does present a problem.  Is there any sort of
utility out there which will perform flawless NeXT translations
from PC, Mac, etc.?  Recommendations, anyone?          

Lucas 
(who doesn't have his NeXTWorld with him)


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: The Future of Next, Inc.
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 08:17:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.213055.5841@news.csuohio.edu>  
cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld) writes:

> This is argumentative.  Who cares if Jobs is listening to
> your classes?  this person has the right   to make a posting
> and the right to be wrong also.  You have the right to
> criticize anyone you   want, and I have the right to point
> out you sound like you are having a bad day. 

..and look like a net.fool to boot.  Good work, "cowboy".

--
Nathan Janette
PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu

Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: biff@biff.gbdata.com (Dwight Everhart)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: My Machine crashed Halloween
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:31:40 GMT

In article <2B336136.9214@news.service.uci.edu> rmyers@dec5200.acs.uci.edu  
(Richard Myers) writes:
> But my machine crashes 'for no appearant reason' about
> every 3 days, and sometime my swapfile grows to the size of my free space
> - 20 meg or so (that's a 520Meg swapfile).

It sounds like a daemon process is allocating memory that it is not freeing.   
I had a similar problem with npcomm, a program started by lpd for use with  
the NeXT printer.  It would sit there and allocate memory.  After a week, my  
swapfile filled and my system panicked.  Since I didn't have a NeXT printer,  
I removed the reference to npcomm from the printcap file (netinfo  
/printers/Local_Printer).  (I deleted the value for the "if" property.)  Once  
I rebooted, everything was fine.  This problem occurred under 2.0.  I don't  
know if it exists under 3.0 or 2.1.

Your problem my not be with npcomm, but I suggest that you do a "ps guax"  
shortly before a crash and look for a process that has allocated a huge  
amount of memory.  It's probably the culprit.

--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: pulliam@rft29.nas.nasa.gov (Thomas H Pulliam)
Subject: Transparencies for color printer
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 16:29:38 GMT


  Looking for transparency plastic for my NeXT color printer.  Anyone know
of a supplier in the SF bay area or anywhere else? 
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From: UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu (David K. Drum)
Subject: Re: Loginwindow tiffs
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 05:48:19 GMT
X-Posted-From: mizzou1.missouri.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Dec23.125412.6083@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
 
> <stuff about alpha value setting deleted>
>
>My model of that (don't know if it's right) is that you can
>write 0% of any color you like (white and black being the
>easiest ones to get from the monochrome picker).  Since the
>on-screen appearance is the same in either case (within
>Icon, I mean), you don't know what you're doing unless you
>make a careful, conscious choice.  Then, presumably, if the
>alpha information is ignored, the underlying color
>information (setgray in PostScript, for example) remains.
 
No, no, no.  I am always very careful about always selecting 0R 0G 0B 0A
when I want something transparent.  I know this because I always have to
think about it; in the Persistence of Vision raytracer (which I use a lot),
one has to use 1R 1G 1B 1A to get something transparent.  So every time
I have this situation I must remember which program I am using.  Icon
still insists on changing alpha to white or black, depending.
 
Also, irritatingly enough, after I create an image with alpha in Icon
(and save with alpha, thank you) and try to import it into another picture,
Icon refuses to recognize the alpha values that I saved.  Rrrrrr.
 
Regards and Merry Winter Solstice,
 
David K. Drum
uc512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu
"I will only use a raytracer to which I can obtain the source code!"