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From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Barn Sour Horse
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:08:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: desire.1992Apr16.170858.1001
Organization: Wright State University

In article <3480003@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger) writes:
> OK, I need help.  Recently, I bought a 10 year old mare who seems to have a
> real good training base.  However, her previous owner, who had her for close
> to a year, was for some unknown reason a bit afraid of her.  Because of this,  
> she was not ridden as often as she probably should have been to keep up the
> training, and she has become somewhat barn sour.
> 
> I need help on how to deal with a barn sour horse.  We will be putting her
> in with a trainer soon, but in the meantime I want to be consistent and do
> the right thing to not encourage her 'head for the barn' behavior.
> 
> HELP!
> 
> Kim K.

There are several things you can be doing.  First of all, NEVER let her rush
back to the barn.  If she fights you on it, turn her around and head the 
other way.  My mare and I made about thirteen trips back and forth up
and down the road in front of our drive way *EVERY* time we went out
for a LONG time, before she finally got it through her head that she had
to be nice and walk quietly.  Also, don't make it really pleasant for her
to be back at the barn.  Leave her tied (safely, of course) with the saddle
on, girth not loosened, for a while, maybe as long as half an hour.  Ride
her back out again, just so she doesn't think that every time she comes
home, she gets to stay.  Ride her alone and with another horse.  I'll think
of some more later.

Sue
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: j_seymo@oz.plymouth.edu (Joyleen Seymour)
Subject: Re: Keeping a horse from taking off bandages
Summary: bib 
Reply-To: j_seymo@oz.plymouth.edu (Joyleen Seymour)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 22:22:47 GMT

  I used to have a horse (named Goat apropriately enough) who chewed his
blankets.  I used a plastic bib on him.  It is a semi-circle shaped
piece of plastic which attaches to the halter and prevents the horse
from reaching around and getting things into his mouth.  It allows the
horse to eat and drink freely, including putting his head to the floor,
and it allows complete freedom of movement of  the head and neck,
something a cradle doesn't allow.  I don't know for sure, but I would
bet that a bib would work with bandage chewing.  

  joy

 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: hunsaker@sounds.waisman.wisc.edu
Subject: RE: Help
Organization: Waisman Center, University of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 6 APR 92 12:30:43 CST

In a previous article, fskjp@acad3.alaska.edu (PRICHARD KIMBERLY J) wrote:
>hi.. I was wondering if any one elseious  owners
>to get their horses registration papers.
>I just bought a (in Sept) a reg QH and
>no one has changed the papers so
>the last owner on the paper is one from 6 years ago
>and no one has seen this girl since she sold the horse
> 
>I was hoping that some one might give me some new ideas about
>how to find her.
> 
>Thanks in advance
>Kim & Alex

Talk about deja vu!  I just went through this last year when
I bought my Quarterhorse gelding (also Alex :-)! ).  He had had
3 owners in one year.  I'd been told that they had papers for him
but that a previous owner hadn't wanted to spend the money to have
them transferred to her name.

It took me 5 weeks just to get those papers and once I did I found 
out that the last owner of record was not listed in the phone book.
Also, that AQHA was *very* strict about having a signed transfer
of ownership form, with the fee, for *every* change of ownership.  
Fortunately, this owner had used what appeared to be both her maiden
and married names on the papers.  I looked up everybody with those 2
names in this city (Madison, Wisconsin) and surrounding communities.
About 30 names in all.  Then I started calling.  Fortunately, after
6 calls I found someone who knew her.  I also found out that her first 
name was mispelled on the form -- her name was Joni, not Toni.  

You might want to work backwards, since you'll have to contact all 
the owners between you and the last owner of record.  Perhaps you'll
get clues from each one about how to go about finding the previous one.

Or, when I questioned the AQHA registration office about
what my alternatives were should I be unable to track down the
last owner, they said that I could get a court order forcing them to 
transfer ownership to my name.  Since I figured this would probably 
mean hiring a lawyer here in WI who would then get a lawyer in Texas
who would then do the actual court work, I decided to try the 
detective work route first.

Good luck, and if you'd like an electronic ear to scream at in 
frustration as the search goes on, feel free to use mine :-)

Shirley (and Alex)
hunsaker@waisman.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Shipping info request
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 14 Apr 92 06:28:06 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <167C8113B5.PBLANCH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>, PBLANCH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
> 
>  Does anyone out there have any experience with commercial horse
> transportation companies?  I need to have my horse transported from
> Connecticut to California, and would appreciate any advice on shippers.
>  
>   Thanks.
>       - Paddy Blanchette
>  
>  

Carolina Horse Transport did a wonderful job of transporting my mare from
Kentucky to North Carolina.  Don't think they ship cross country, though.
They even unloaded her and walked her to calm her down when she got nervous.

Sue
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: deblev@laurel.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine)
Subject: Re: horses and equestrian sports in Russia
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:34:44 GMT

The one thing that hasn't been mentioned about Russia and Russian horses
is a breed I have only seen referred to very occasionally, but which is
often pictured in horsey picture books because of it's metallic
golden color.

I think the correct spelling of the breed name is Akhal Teke and they
appear to be built along the lines of the thoroughbred.  I think there
is one Akhal Teke stud in the US and that they were crossing them with
other breeds to produce sport horses.  They are apparantly very "hot".

At any rate, I sure don't know much about them, but it might be an
interesting thing for a horse person at large in Russia to look into!

Debbie



Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: Linda M Garrett <lmgarret@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: L-Trytophan?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 09:57:23 -0500

In article <1992Apr10.004944.21003@colorado.edu> springer@khonshu.colorado.edu (Jann Springer) writes:

>2) How do you calm down a horse who is spooky to start with
>   and is petrified of loudspeakers? (She goes ballistic
>   when we have to go by the speakers and the only time she
>   is exposed to them is at the show...I can detox her on
>   orange cones, banging gates, etc. but don't have anything
>   for this). When the class finishes, she just stands there
>   and shakes.
>
>I would like to make this a pleasant experience and take
>all the scary stuff out of it. She has been improving
>with each show (she's been in three so far) but is still
>dangerous in the ring IMHO.

If you can afford it I think you have the answer.  Go to a couple
more shows but dont show, ride in the ring before the show, and 
during breaks, bring the horse to the ring (far enough away not to
bother those showing) and let him observe that the other horses
aren't scared of the loud speakers.  Doing this keeps you relaxed
since you aren't wondering what he will do in the ring therefore
giving him the extra assurance that nothing will hurt him.  

And of course you could tell him that the monsters are only allowed to
eat horses on the (13th or what ever day it isn't) and that today is
the 15th so he doesn't have to worry =:)   (I used to do this just to
keep myself talking in a reassuring voice).
Linda Garrett



From: kyle@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Kyle Karnosh)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:10:40 GMT
Subject: Re: Keeping a horse from taking off bandages
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian


My vet claims that the product Rap Last really works. It's also
colorless, and nontoxic. Anybody tried it?


Kyle Karnosh
Con Brio Farms
Quality Warmblood Sporthorses
Gilroy, CA
From: doconnor@layton.inews.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Strangles vs Absess
Date: 6 Apr 92 07:24:51 GMT
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Organization: /eng/eng25/doconnor/.organization
In-reply-to: doconnor@layton.inews.intel.com's message of 6 Apr 92 07:05:51 GMT


lmgarret@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Linda M Garrett) writes:
] Now how much do y'all know about strangles.  We have talked to three
] vets.  One said that it is only contagious through direct contact with
] the drainage (i.e. infected horse drinks out of a bucket, drainage
] drips into bucket, next horse to drink out of bucket gets sick).
] Another vet said it could also be transmitted through things such as
] snorting even before it opens up and starts draining.  And yet a third
] vet says the germs are airborn.  Does the net have a consensus about
] this?

From "The Horse", ISBN 0-7167-0491-9 :

"Strangles is an acute contagious disease caused by infection
 with Streptococcus equi." [ acute means the opposite of chronic ]

"... In the first stages of the disease, the horse usually goes off feed,
 has a high temperature ( 103-105 F), and emits a watery nasal discharge
 that rapidly becomes purulent [ containing pus ]. The larynx and pharynx
 become inflamed and swallowing may be difficult. Body temperature may
 decreases after 2-3 days but increases again when abcesses develop in
 the lymph nodes."

Additionally, the book says it usually occurs in horses 1-5 years old, and
outbreaks usually occur after horses are moved, particularly in bad weather.

"The disease is spread when the nasal discharge ... contaminates pasture,
 feed troughs or water troughs. Infected horses may spread the disease
 for at least 4 weeks, and the organism can survive in the environment
 for a month or more after the infected animals are removed."

"Thus, infected animals should be isolated as asoon as possible.
 Feed troughs, water buckets, brushes and so on should be disinfected."

Penicillin is listed as effective in early treatment. Untreated horses may
have repeated infections. Horses that recover are usually immune.

"Horses in Healt and Disease", ISBN 0-8121-0935-X, notes that some
ill horses show no signs till the abcess appears. "Symptoms usually occur
4-10 days after exposure. [...] Affected animals usually recover in a
2 week period unless complications occur."

Both books mention a vaccine, but one questioned it's effectiveness.
The other recommended asking your vet about the vaccine. But once your
horse has had strangles, it should be immune.

Since you have a vet seeing your horse, you don't need to worry :
strangles is rarely fatal to otherwise healthy horses when treated.
--
Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
From: njd@FTP.COM (Nancy J. DeMarco)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Reoccuring Strangles
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:04:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: babyoil.NJD.92Apr15090426
Reply-To: njd@FTP.COM
Distribution: rec
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA


>        Are you -sure- your mare has strangles? From what I recall, 
>strangles is a viral disease that has a developed immunity, i.e., once 
>contracted, it cannot reoccur because the body can now produce antibodies to 
>counteract the pathogen. 

Actually, it's a bacteria - the equine version of strep.  Recovery was
previously thought to provide permanent immunity, but current belief
is that this immunity does not last.  An annual booster (without the
initial series of shots) will provide lasting immunity for these
horses.

>Is this a diagnosis from the vet? If not, I would 
>*definitely* have the vet out: lot's of diseases can begin with these 
>symptoms...

We're in complete agreement here.  There are LOTS of airborn viruses
being blown around at this time of year.  She should definitely have a
vet look at her mare ASAP.  

I once had a foal who contracted an upper respiratory infection
hours after birth - not much fun.  Babies don't do a good job of
producing antibodies until they are four months old, so this poor
filly had to endure having her temp. taken every 2 hours, and
antibiotics as needed (a full series every time her temp. started to
creep beyond 102) for FOUR MONTHS.  The poor kid did not start out
with a very high opinion of people - definitely something to be
avoided.

Good Luck!!!!!!!

Nancy & Willie-nilly (the incredible three-legged wonder :)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: afallen@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (E. Allen Arrington)
Subject: Re: Horse keeping costs)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: 1st Kentucky Cavalry Co. C
Date:  7 Apr 1992 18:36 EST  

In article <HANNAH.92Apr7093556@pomponio.ai.sri.com>, hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah) writes...
>PLEASE, folks, when you post prices like this, quantify what
>constitutes a BALE in your area!!!  I know that a Northern California
>(3-wire) bale of alfalfa weighs around 150 lb, and I know that a
>Wyoming (2-string) bale of grass hay weighs around 50 lb, but I
>haven't a clue as to what passes for a bale in Ohio.  What do they
>weigh (or, equivalently, how many bales do you get when you buy a ton
>of hay)?  It makes a heck of a difference in figuring costs!
> 
>Marsha Jo Hannah		Murphy must have been a horseman--
>La Honda, CA			anything that can go wrong, will!
> 

Northern Ohio hay bales: 2-string 40-50 pounds/bale; $2.50 - $3.50 /bale

E. Allen Arrington  
        Trooper, 1st Kentucky Cavalry, Co. C 
        Mounted Memorial Unit                 
and Mason (he doesn't care how big the bale is, just as long as he gets his 
dinner!)
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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Undelivered mail
Date: 13 Apr 1992 13:12:05 -0400
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Re: Carts & driving - second try......

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From:         Ann Warrington <WARRINGT@WSUVM1>
Subject:      Carts
To:           Barbara <broyva@uiamus>


I got a cart that is a "training cart" but the neat thing about it is
That it's cut down on the sides where you get in and out so you don't
have to step over the extention of the shafts everytime. I've never
drawn on the computer before but here goes

                      l                              l
      ----------l     l   instead of ----------l-----l
                l     l                        l     l
                 l___l                          l___l


Much easier to begin with.

Also ****PLEASE******get a professional to help or someone who has trained
more than one horse. Do it inside and take it step by step. I had a bomb
proof kid's horse who we "broke" to drive at a 4-H project. The pros had
her ready to hitch up while Marc and I watched. She exploded and got one
leg over the shaft and it was just a zoo. Luckily they got her to stop and
unhitched her and tried again - after sending everyone else out of the
arena and going back to step one. I think they use the words "broke
to cart" instead of "trained..." because its like going back to
kindergarten no matter how mellow the horse is. You, others and the horse
can get seriously hurt doing this. I have taken 2 other horses to weekend
clinics to break them to drive,and still wouldn't attempt this on my own,
or help someone with the first hitch without a much more knowledgeable
"driver" around. Ground driving and getting ready to hitch are one thing,
but putting the cart behind the horse is not for beginners.

Hope this doesn't dampen your enthusiasm, I'd just hate to hear that
you got hurt someday.

Ann
Mac's (TWH mare)
From: jlevy@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (janet.s.levy)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: names...again
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:59:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr11.150230.17207@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> 20676JAE@MSU writes:
>
>There's a horse at my stable that goes by Freddy who's registered name is
>Frog Hollar Fred.  That poor horse got picked on for weeks about his name.
>(all in fun.)  Sometimes all you have to do to get a good laugh is to open
>up the newspaper and read the race horses names.  Some of them are really
>neat, but some of them are a gas.
                              ^^^
Speaking of gas, you reminded me of a race horse name I noticed once:
    No Beans Tonite

Janet Levy
jsl@ihlpm.ATT.COM
From: fax0616@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: RE: Horse sitters
Date: 6 Apr 92 09:30:12 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

I originally posted about "horse keeping costs" at home vs. boarding.
Horse sitters are a problem.  I alternate between friends and in-laws.
Usually I need folks to come over and feed on weekends, and this is not
a problem unless I abuse the favors.  If we are gone for more than a couple
of days and stalls need picked-up as well as feeding, I'll pay a horsie
friend to come over (if she'll take the money!).  I like having a horse
person keep an eye on the kids rather than the in-laws because she'll
recognize a problem and know what to do about it.  Even my husband is
blind to the simplest things--like blankets half-off, etc.  Anything more
serious is likely to be missed as well.

Leigh
From: dionysia@netlink.cts.com (Dionysia Marqueza)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Recoccuring strangles
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:48:51 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

20676JAE@MSU writes:

> Has anyone ever had a horse that has gotten strangles and had it reoccur at a
> later date?  My mare came back from the breeder last year with strangles, whi
> fortunately didn't effect her pregnancy, and now she has a similar cough and
> runny nose.  She does not have any other symptoms.  Her appetite is good and
> she doesn't have a fever. Could this be a mild reoccurance?  My concern is th
> she is past her due date and could foal any time.  She has had her vaccinatio
> recently, including rhino.  If she foals soon I don't want her to pass her
> illness to her foal.  Any suggestions?

        Are you -sure- your mare has strangles? From what I recall, 
strangles is a viral disease that has a developed immunity, i.e., once 
contracted, it cannot reoccur because the body can now produce antibodies to 
counteract the pathogen. Is this a diagnosis from the vet? If not, I would 
*definitely* have the vet out: lot's of diseases can begin with these 
symptoms...

        Dionysia & Corey

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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Subject: Re: begining riders and horses
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 23:39:23 GMT

In article <920408111442@desire.ftp.com> fks@ftp.com writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.031635.25314@midway.uchicago.edu> rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis) writes:
>
>    *right*. I learned to ride partially on a horse named J.C., who was an
>    absolute doll (as well as one of the prettiest blue roans I've ever
>    seen), but he worked like a machine, doing exactly what you told him
>
>Blue roans are so pretty! I've only seen a few of them, but I've Ooo -ed
>at every one! What breeds have that colouration? 

Well JC was part Arab (which doesn't carry the color), part QH, and
the rest was anybody's guess...

>Frances Kirk Selkirk		 fks@ftp.com	           (617) 246-0900

	-Nora
-- 
Oseh shalom b'imromav, hu ya'aseh shalom aleinu v'al kol yisrael.
From: priag@NSD.3Com.COM (Pria Graves)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Horse Fair at Filoli
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:02:19 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: 3Com Corp., Santa Clara, CA.


Through the Gaits at Filoli

The famous Filoli mansion in Woodside is hosting "A Horse Fair" on Friday,
April 24, and Saturday, April 25.  The celebration commemorates the 
equestrian heritage of Filoli and a number of antique carriages and 
historic riding costumes will be displayed.

There will also be demonstrations involving a wide variety of horses from 
hackney ponies to draft horses as well as displays of techniques such as
dressage fox hunting.

And if that's not enough, the wonderful gardens will be open along with the 
Garden Shop, Tea Shop etc.  And there's even a catered luncheon with fashion
show!  

The hours are 10 - 4 both days.  General admission is $15 and 
admission-with-luncheon is $35.  Children under 12 are not invited.

You can send your money with as SASE to Friends of Filoli, Canada Road, 
Woodside, CA 94062 or call them at 415/364-2880 for more information.
From: broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Barbara Roy)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Update on Gelding Older Stallion
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:39:00 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I want to thank everyone who responded to my question about gelding an older
stallion. I purchased a new Arab stallion and was debating whether I should
geld my other stallion.

Well, I had the vet out Saturday to do Nigt (my stallion) and another yearling
colt. After a very scary bout of fever, tremors, and large loss of blood, the
vet had to return later in the afternoon to give Nigt IVs. The IVs put him back
on his feet quickly thank God! And he's feeling more like his old self.

EXCEPT gone are the studly problems I've had in the past - the talking, head-
tossing, and general misbehavior whenever we ride with company or pass any
neighborhood horses. The vet told me to ride him at least an hour a day for the
next week after his operation, so we've been out every day. He's even more
responsive to my leg and hand signals than before. And if possible, even more
bomb-proof. This horse will go over highway overpasses with semi trucks zooming
underneath, go through/over/under any obstacle I ask him to, and has the most
comfortably slow trot I've ever ridden. I loved him as a stallion, but as a
gelding he's stolen my heart anew! I'll miss having his mirror images in the
pasture every spring, but we have many years of riding ahead of us. And I still
have some of his fillies to breed to the new stallion.

By the way, I've realized that my ability to judge horse size has been WAY OFF.
I always thought that Nigt was about 14.2hh, but next to the new 15hh stallion
it is obvious that he's only about 14hh. No wonder I feel so secure on him! Not
very far to fall.

Thanks again for all the advice. I really appreciate all the input.

Barbara Roy, Weeg Computing Center, University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA. 52242
Meadowacres Arabians
Internet: broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu     Bitnet: broyva@uiamvs
Disclaimer: My opinions are solely my own and may change daily.