HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rrmst3@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Roberto R Molinari)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Park adjustments
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:37:33 GMT
Reply-To: rrmst3@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Roberto R Molinari)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh, Comp & Info Sys

>>so that's expected.)  I think Boston does have as good an offense IN THE
>>NUMBERS as the Jays, but there is one other very important thing.  The Red Sox
>>are putting up there numbers in Fenway...on of the best hitters parks in the
>>majors.  
>
>And the Blue Jays are putting up their numbers in SkyDome, an even better
>hitters park.  Between 1988 and 1991, White's only had one better season
>than Reed (and he was still worse in OBP in all four), the only bias in
>calling them close is a Toronto bias.
>
>Quick, which park favored hitters more?	

Err, is this comparison made to see which team is better playing on an ideal
field with "normal" dimensions?  I don't see the point in adjusting for parks
if the comparison is done for the reason of predicting the team's performance,
since the sox play 81 games in fenway *every* year, and play the rest of their
games in the same stadiums as the jays.  Unless the teams are suddenly going to
switch parks with each other, thus making a need for park adjustments, I don't
see the point in all this.  The sox and jays build their teams to take 
advantage of their home parks since they play half their games there, taking
that advantage away would seem to introduce an impurity to the stats.

Of course all of this is gobbledygook if the argument is a purely theoretical
one.  BTW, how are park adjustments made?  Is there some sort of "normal"
stadium that the stats are mapped to?

bert
- diehard sox fan (red that is)
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: MATT YOUNG TOSSES NO-HITTER, LOSES 2-1
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:22:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.155201.2142@stat.appstate.edu> jerinra@stat.appstate.edu writes:
>I understand your point, but I believe that if you walk someone
>especially the first batter, they always seem to score.  It always seems
>that the safest way, the walk, will come back to haunt you. 

Effect of first event in inning, 84-91, both leagues

Event		avg. number of runs	Prob. of scoring at least 1 run
========================================================================
single		0.86			0.43
walk		0.87			0.43
error		0.88			0.44
out		0.25			0.16
other		1.21			0.74

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: DUMB inexcusable play
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:29:54 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr9.162439.15235@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> odp@ldgo.columbia.edu (carl brenner) writes:
>In article <204617@unix.cis.pitt.edu>, dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
>
>> Actually, we can compute just how dumb this was, to some extent.
						    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I'll come back to the highlighted words above...

>	I think your methodology is sound, Dave, but you're surprisingly
>vague on the numbers. I don't mean to be picky, but it's odd to hear you,
>of all people, talk in terms of ".03 or .04 expected runs." Why the lack
>of certainty? 

No smiley, so I'll assume that this is curiosity and not sarcasm.  Either
is appropriate, of course; the difference between .03 expected runs and
.04 expected runs is essentially zero.

As for "lack of certainty", the error in the situational expected value
numbers is rather larger than the .01 expected run difference here.  The
point of the exercise was to show that there *are* conditions under which
Coleman's attempt is not a bonehead play: namely, when you're sufficiently
certain of not getting caught.

>You used .04 in your calculations; however, if you use .03,
>his steal success rate has got to be better than 92%. You also state that
>Coleman's success rate for stealing third is in the 90% range, which I find
>hard to believe (though of course I'll believe you if you tell me it is so.

I was basing that on memories of hearing that Coleman and Henderson both had
higher lifetime percentages stealing third than stealing second.  I know that
it's true for Henderson; I could be wrong about Coleman.  Of course, there's
also the question of whether Coleman's career % is relevant to any particular
attempt *this* year...


>	I would also respectfully submit that talk of "intimidation" on
>the basepaths is difficult to quantify, or is already factored into Coleman's
>success rate. Again, I'm surprised to hear you talk in such terms.

The intimidation effect, if any, doesn't have to do with Coleman's success
rate, but rather in how effective the pitcher will be at getting batters out
while Coleman is on the bases.  That wouldn't show up in SB success rates.

But, if you prefer, you can think of that comment as merely tossing a bone to
the Keepers of the Intangibles :-).



-- 
          David M. Tate            |"The man who hath no music in himself
     dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu       | Nor is not moved by concord of sweet sound
  A poem should be dumb, / As old  | Is fit for treason, stratagems, and spoils
 medallions to the thumb.-MacLeish | 	Shakespeare, "Merchant of Venice", A.V
From: mmcevill@mitre.org (Michael A. McEvilley)
Subject: Re: baseball quiz #1
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:50:29 GMT

In article <gdvhqpW00VIDIAsGQm@andrew.cmu.edu> Scott Michael White 
<sw36+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 3.      WHO PLAYED THE LONGEST TIME (MOST YEARS) IN A METS UNIFORM?
 
How about Ed Kranepool... 


Michael

"...a kick of the leg, around comes the arm... the two-two pitch..."

Classic Bob Murphy
From: dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Baseball - The 'ME' SPORT (was Re: Bobby Bonilla)
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:23:28 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <4200274@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger) writes:
>
>I know that once it goes to pay-per-view, which I think is getting closer, 

Then you aren't thinking very hard.  How much would anyone pay to see a game
on TV, when they could see it in person for under $10?  Commercial baseball
is *lucrative*; just not as lucrative as CBS thought it was going to be.

>that's when I stop watching baseball.

Sounds to me like you have already.


-- 
          David M. Tate            |"The man who hath no music in himself
     dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu       | Nor is not moved by concord of sweet sound
  A poem should be dumb, / As old  | Is fit for treason, stratagems, and spoils
 medallions to the thumb.-MacLeish | 	Shakespeare, "Merchant of Venice", A.V
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From: daweuste@rodan.acs.syr.edu (david a. weuste)
Subject: Re: Trivia:  10 wins in last 9 seasons
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 23:18:12 EDT

In article <1992Apr8.222233.5322@cs.brown.edu> dsl@cs.brown.edu (Clyde Drexler) writes:
>I'll guess Bruce Hurst and Mike Boddicker.

How about Dave Stieb and Frank Tanana (cringe) ?

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From: dougp@romeo.caltech.edu (Peterson, Douglas)
Subject: Re: Trivia: What to the numbers mean...?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:44:00 GMT

In article <92099.185021GRM100@psuvm.psu.edu>, GRM100@psuvm.psu.edu writes...
>Here's a bit of trivia from our college paper...
> 
>Give the significance of the number and the player
>who holds the record.

>1) .424      Highest BA maybe
Yup, this is highest BA.  Rogers Hornsby hit .424 in 1924.

>2) 2.17      lowest era
Maybe lowest team ERA?  Bob Gibson was in the 1's one year.

>3) 56      
Dimaggio's hitting streak--56 games.

>4) 57
???        

>5) 61
Maris' single-season HR record.

>6) 190
Hack Wilson's single-season RBI record.

>7) 511
Cy Young's career victory total.

>8) 755       HR career?
Hank Aaron's career HR total.

>9) 5511      Hits career?   Pete Rose?
This has got to be Nolan Ryan's strikeout total.  I don't think Rose
got 1319 more hits than Cobb!

>10) 7
Uniform number of the greatest player ever--Mickey Mantle!  :-)

Doug P.
From: dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Least Valuable Players (career)
Date: 11 Apr 92 19:40:32 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <32639@darkstar.ucsc.edu> srobson@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Seth I Robson) writes:
>
>It must be Mario Mendoza.  Unless he didn't get enough AB to qualify or
>something.  Otherwise I'd consider Johnny LeMaster, who probably stole too
>many bases at one point or other.  

The much-maligned Mario Mendoza is getting a raw deal from posterity.  Sort
of like Fred Merkle, who really was a very good ballplayer.

Mendoza, despite his atrocious hitting (career .215/.247/.262) *was* an
excellent fielder, and was only rated as a below-average shorstop overall
for one season (1981) by Thorn and Palmer.  Of course, the positional 
adjustment for shortstops in the late '70s was pretty severe, with folks
like LeMaster and Foli getting all that playing time...

Now, Johnny LeMaster is one of the first guys I looked up when I started 
this quest.  Whereas Mendoza gets -107 Adjusted Batter Runs over his nine
major league seasons, LeMaster gets -170 over 12 seasons, *and* an overall
negative rating as a defensive shortstop.  This isn't enough to put him up
there with the Big Boys (like Alfredo and Foli), but it's some serious hurt
for the teams he played for.  For those of you who object that LeMaster was
the best available, I ask you why LeMaster played almost full-time for the
Giants from 1980 to 1984, when they had Guy Sularz (slightly better hitter,
*much* better fielder).

An even worse example if Alfredo Griffin, who played 140 games at shortstop
in 1984 for a team that had Tony Fernandez.  Fernandez was only 21, but he
couldn't have been any worse than Alfredo, and in fact hit .270/.320/.356
in 233 at bats that year, to Griffin's .250/.290/.348 (and bad defense).  And
it's not as if Fernandez was an unknown; he'd played 15 games in the majors
the previous year.


-- 
          David M. Tate            |"The man who hath no music in himself
     dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu       | Nor is not moved by concord of sweet sound
  A poem should be dumb, / As old  | Is fit for treason, stratagems, and spoils
 medallions to the thumb.-MacLeish | 	Shakespeare, "Merchant of Venice", A.V
From: rsibet@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Rand Sibet)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: *** THE TORONTO BLUE JAYS ***
Date: 12 Apr 92 06:08:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: orbit.7457
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

chuong@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (CHUONG  HAN HSING) writes:
    
>(meaningless drivel deleted)
>Other non-believers will soon realize that my words are backed up by the
>plays of the Blue Jays, and soon they'll have nothing to complain about
>except the occasional 2 game losing streak the Jays will have later in the
>year. (And they'll conviently forget the 20 game slumps their favorites will
>be seeing most of the year)
>
>Jim C.
>University of Toronto
     
Could someone refresh my memory - How many games did Toronto beat Minnesota
in the ALCS last year? The year we had Dan Gladden and Al Neuman...
     
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From: coleman@susie.cs.scarolina.edu (Kevin Coleman)
Subject: Re: Blue Jays win 4-2
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date:  8 Apr 92 16:04:11 GMT


m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier) writes:

>Jack Morris pitched a complete game in his Tiger Stadium homecoming.
>He also had seven strikeouts.

>Pat Borders (after a Morgana imposter tried to kiss him) and John
>Olerud each had homers and Roberto Alomar had a spectacular play at
>second base.

>The Jays look really good already.

>1 down, 161 to go.

>Go Jays.

>-- 
> Michael Le Houllier           *  John 3:16  * Nov 12, 1991 - Dili      
> (m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu.us) *  Remember: June 4, 1989 - Beijing
> Go BLUE JAYS   1-0   at Tigers Monday (4-2), Wednesday and Thursday
>

Yes, but I think that it's also important to note that Morris pitched over
140 pitches on his way to the victory.  It seems like an awful lot of pitches
for an opening day game to me.

--Kevin

From: ko@teecs.UUCP (Sam Ko)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:46:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Blue Jays vs. Red Sox
Organization: Litton Systems, Toronto ONT
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

Are there any Blue Jays Fan out there?
Please defense your team!!!!!!!!!

By the way, Ted, do you want to bet who will
win the division title again this year?
                       ^^^^^

Go..... JAYS....... Go.........


P.S.  Jays just beat the Tigers 4-2 in the
      season opener.
      (Home Run-BORDERS , Home Run-OLERUD)
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From: roger@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: Sabo out
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 12:58:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.041548.28161@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> navarra@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (John Navarra) writes:
>In article <204641@unix.cis.pitt.edu> dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr08.132243.25673@eve.wright.edu> kstith@eve.wright.edu writes:
>>>Bad news for the Reds....Sabo is going to be out 2 weeks with his
>>>sprained ankle. They're probably going to put him on the disabled list
>>
>>Here's yet another bit of evidence in favor of Sherri Nichols's point from
>>last year, that aggressive/hustling/fiery/etc. play is not necessarily a good
>>thing, even on average.  Sabo has established himself as one of the premier
>>players in the NL in combined offensive and defensive value, and has thrown
>>all of that away by the unbelievably moronic mechanism of TRYING TO SLIDE INTO
>>FIRST BASE FOR NO APPARENT REASON.  Real gritty; real dumb.  Lenny Dykstra's
>>murophilia seems almost tame by comparison...
>>
>>
>	Yeah, I remember this discussion (since I was mostly on the
>other side of it). While I agree that there is no substitute for
>'intelligent' play ( what Sabo did was *Not* intelligent) I would
>still rather have a Sabo or a Dykstra on my team ANYDAY before I took 
>a major-league wimp like Eric Davis.  

Anyday?  That would seem to include the days they're in the hospital, or
wrapping cars around trees, or something.

> 	However, I notice from watching a few Dodger games that Eric 
>seems to be woken up a bit since he was traded. Good thing since it is
>about time he milks some serious money from the Dodger organization before
>the next 'mystery' illness or the next player strike. 
>	Cal Ripken's style of play is a perfect example. Not too dangerous,
>but definitely not WIMPY!

Why don't you go and work out for a while with a lacerated kidney
(incurred while leading your team to a world championship) and then come
back and tell us how much of a wimp Eric Davis is.  

Davis had no business playing at all last year; he tried to play anyway.
Wimp, my ass.  "Mystery illness", my ass.  Who do you think you are, the
team doctor?

Perhaps eric Davis has "woken up" because he's playing for real fans and
not jerks.  Where were you when Pete Rose was keeping Davis in the
Minors for two extra years? Probably going all gushy over ol' Tony
Perez.

Roger

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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Maddux vs. Mets' starters
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 18:25:29 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.135727.3821@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.050954.1@wharton.upenn.edu> chen70@wharton.upenn.edu writes:
>>Rubahadas:  WRONG!  Guess again.  We're talking serious lack of intelligence
>>here.  Perhaps even a schizophrenic living a double life, in which one 
>>reality DOES include a Greg Maddux who is more talented than 
>>any of the Mets' starters. 
>
>Pitcher		Wins, 1988-91	
>Greg Maddux	67 	
>Dwight Gooden	59
>Bret Saberhagen	55			
>Sid Fernandez	36		
>Dave Cone	62			
>Anthony Young	 2
>
>>Bang!  Smack!  Crash!  Thump!  Crack!  Thump!  Thump, Thump, Thump...
>>
>>The preceding noises are:
>>
>>a)  a secret audiotape released by the alleged rape victim of Dwight, Vince,
>>and Daryl in Dwight's apartment last spring
>>
>>THE CORRECT ANSWER IS...need we even say.  If you think it's A, learn to
>>read the papers, you illiterate fools! (That team lawyer we were telling you
>>about is THAT good).
>
>Why is it that you keep glorifying that all of these Mets were charged
>with rape?
>
>>By the way, you heard it here first.  ANTHONY YOUNG will be the ROOKIE OF
>>THE YEAR.  

>Say hello to Vince's hamstring for me.

And, more appropriately, say hello to Vince's groin for me.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
Charter Member of the Acker-o-phobics Anonymous
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
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From: luigi@sgi.com (Randy Palermo)
Subject: Re: Ramon, MRI, Crews, Comments, and a Question
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:24:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.174737.2946@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>In article <92099.081658WELACK@MIAMIU.BITNET> WELACK@MIAMIU.BITNET writes:
>>there was nothing wrong with his arm. I don't know if you can put a player
>>on the DL if they say there is nothing wrong with them, but you should be
>>able to force the player to do something to get himself ready to play.
>>Putting him on the DL won't do it, cause they still get that big ole
>>paycheck every two weeks. I don't know what the answer is.
>
>While I don't understand the reluctance of Ramon Martinez for getting an
>MRI, I'm not so sure it's reasonable to say that teams ought to be able to
>force a player to undergo medical tests.  Do you think your employer ought
>to be able to force you to undergo medical tests?  If not, why do you think
>major league teams ought to be able to?  Is it just because they're paying
>their employees a lot of money?  Then, at what point is it that your salary
>is so high you should have to give up the right to choose whether you seek
>medical attention or not?  
>
It has nothing to do with salary. There are many jobs which require a 
certain degree of physical ability to perform capably. If you were a
surgeon and showed up to operate with 3 broken fingers and cast on your
arm the hospital might question your ability to do your job today. When
you heal you would be right back at it, but today you are incapable of
doing your job. I'm trying to think of some example that is a bit closer
but I think you get the picture. At the risk of sounding discriminatory,
if the very essense of your job is to perform a task at a certain phyical
level, then your employer has every right and in fact, a responsibility both
to themselves and the individual, to monitor that level.

I know that this may open up a whole new can of worms but, the teams already
have the right to test players for substance abuse and give them pre-season
physical exams, why then can they not require that players get more exten-
sive tests if they suspect a problem exists? After all, such tests would
be as benificial to the player as they are to the team.

luigi
--
Randy Palermo   luigi@csd.sgi.com    Fax: (415)961-6502
Silicon Graphics Computer Systems, 2011 N. Shoreline Blvd Mt. View, CA 94039
Everywhere is walking distance if you have the time. --Steven Wright
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From: mwdwhite@watnow.waterloo.edu (Martin White)
Subject: Re: Hey, I'm a NICE Jays fan!
Keywords: Weenies
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:42:54 GMT

In article <carl.703256190@warper.jhuapl.edu> carl@warper.jhuapl.edu (Carl Lamy) writes:
>mwdwhite@watnow.waterloo.edu (Martin White) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Apr13.133132.9916@jts.com> geoff@jts.com (Geoff Vona) writes:
>
>Could a Toronto fan enlighten me here? Whenever I listen to a baseball game
>out of Toronto, the announcers always talk about how quiet it is in Skydome.
>Is that because of the huge size of skydome, or is it really because the
>fans are quiet, and if so, why?
>
>			See you later, Carl

I was at the game on Tuesday, and there was a group of 30 or 40
Yankees fans in the CF bleachers who were louder than the entire
stadium at times!  Maybe it was the Canadian beer, but more
likely it was that the Toronto fans don't realize that you are
allowed to yell at the guy who's making as much this season as
he'll make in his entire life!  You are the customer, and the customer
is always right.  Canadians are just too polite.
From: bk713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kimon Zachary)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Hobson and Sox
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:54:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr13.025454.14415
Reply-To: bk713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kimon Zachary)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU () says:

>When the Red Sox fired former manager Joe Morgan last fall and replaced
>him with Butch Hobson, there was a lot of talk about how Hobson would
>get under Sox players' skin to make them work harder and be more aggress-
>ive, especially on the basepaths. So far, after a pretty good spring
>training and two regular season games, Hobson hasn't exactly unveiled
>any new aggressive baserunning style. Anyone have any comments about this?

Hobson can't make the Bosox any faster than they are, which isn't very, of
course.  More aggressive baserunning just for the sake of it would 
probably mean running into more outs on the basepaths.


-- 
Kimon Zachary			"I stand by all the misstatements that
JHU School of Med.			I've made." --Dan Quayle
Baltimore, MD			
Another Greek from Massachusetts				
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From: sigmond@leland.stanford.edu (Steve Sigmond)
Subject: How's Scott Erickson so far?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 19:35:52 GMT

I realize that this question may be a bit premature, but can any other Twins
fans out there tell me how Erickson's elbow has held up in his two starts?
Does he have the old fastball back, or is he looking like he did after his
injury last season?

Thanks,
	-Steve

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From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Subject: a(n) historic event
Keywords: walks, leadoff, batting, who?!?!
Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:54:11 GMT

History was made last night.
The first two batters in the Cubs game Dunston and Sosa
drew consecutive walks to start the game.
who'd a thunk it? 
(OK,OK the expected number of times for them to walk consecutively 
is about once per season).
For all you Cubs fans out there:
You think you've got problems with Dunston and Sosaa leading off?
The Brewers have B.J. Surhoff (lifetime OBP=.315, SLG=.364) 
batting 3rd.
His grand slam may be rarer than the walks.

seeing, hearing
john rickert
Brewers magic number : 162
From: luigi@bullpen.csd.sgi.com (Randy Palermo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Rosters and Lineups
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:36:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

I've been away from the net for a few days and have 400+ messages to
go through, SIGH!!!! Has anyone posted the "official" 25 man rosters
and starters yet. My roto draft is Sat.

Thanks,
luigi
--
Randy Palermo   luigi@csd.sgi.com    Fax: (415)961-6502
Silicon Graphics Computer Systems, 2011 N. Shoreline Blvd Mt. View, CA 94039
If Jerry Brown is the answer, it must be a very strange question - Lloyd Benson
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