HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel)
Subject: Re: TP:FWWM (Spoilers dead ahead, cap'n!)
Summary: Tatoo and veterinary
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 02:44:18 GMT

Yes, since I posted about the tatoo I had remember that Phillip Gerard said
it was "Fire, walk with me" on it. In the TV series, Phillip Gerard (not
in Cooper's dream) says the tatoo said "Mom" not "Bob" - thus why he 
started crying. He could be seen as lying OR because of the drugs he was
using to keep "Mike" from showing he didn't know any better thus would
give a different story then Mike.

 As for Bob Lydecker, we never actually see him but maybe he too was being
 used as a host for one of the lodge family. Did anyone notice that there
 was a *Llama* in Bob Lydecker's Veterinary.. a Llama in Twin Peaks? Aren't
 they from places like Tibet/Peru? etc.? The Llama also looks Cooper in
 the face as the owner takes it out.
  
  -=*George*=-


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From: kwh@CS.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann)
Subject: Re: The missing 6
Originator: kwh@GLOBE.EDRC.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:48:00 GMT


wanna.w.chin writes:


>   Regarding the numbers on the pole
>   24810
>
>   Take 2 and double it, you get 4.
>   Take 4 and double it, you get 8.
>   Take 8 and double it, and you should get 16.
>   But you actually have 10 ...
>
>   Wanna

Hexadecimal 10 == Decimal 16

so in hex:

   Take 2 and double it, you get 4.
   Take 4 and double it, you get 8.
   Take 8 and double it, you get 10.

Kevin
From: mmaxwell@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: TP Hypercard stacks (and others)
Date: 11 Sep 1992 22:04:11 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: irpsws80.ucsd.edu
Keywords: wow, bob, wow!

In article <1992Sep11.161208.1193@msus1.msus.edu> (Jeff Kunzelman) writes:

>Hey whats this about A HyperCard TP stack? Where can I get it?
>
>Jeff
>

There's a couple of them that i know of.  The first is known simply as
the "Twin Peaks Stack" or somesuch.  It is about 5 Meg of TP sounds from the
first season, and really damn cool, IMNSHO.  The other one is called "The
Twin Peaks Bedside Companion."  I've had it for a while, but haven't pawed
through it too much.  Currently i have both, but i don't know of a good
way to post these suckers or anything, and i know nothing about FTP.

Not Peaks oriented beyond this point....
I also have a really cool stack of images and sounds taken from H.P. 
Lovecraft's Cthulhu mythos, if anyone's interested.
-------------------
Matt Maxwell
mmaxwell@ucsd.edu

"He took personality tests
 and stapled them to his lower lip" -- Stan Ridgway

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From: scottm@intime.intime.com (Scott Michel)
Subject: Re: Where is the ring?
Organization: -- J/24 -- Racers Home for Programmers
Distribution: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:21:31 GMT

In article <SBILES.92Sep14210142@dante.nmsu.edu> sbiles@nmsu.edu (Susannah E Biles) writes:

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   If we agree that Laura Palmer put on the ring that the OAM threw into
   the train car, and that she is NOT wearing it when her body is found
   (which she isn't) Then where is it? When she is shown in the lodge at
   the end with Cooper, is she wearing it? Did anyone notice?
   Or in the series in Cooper's first dream when he meets "Doesn't she
   look just like Laura Pamer?" Is she wearing it then???
   Or does the ring just disappear after it has done whatever it is
   supposed to do?
   Do we ever see it in the series at all? I am currently re-watching the
   series and haven't seen it or heard a ref. to it yet...
   Any theories?

   -Susan

Doesn't Cooper tell her NOT to put the ring on, symbolising her marriage
to the Black Lodge? That ring is indeed a mystery.

-scottm
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From: slg20427@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (^Fire Walk With Me^)
Subject: The Monkey man and garmonbozia
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:10:11 GMT

I saw FWWM for the second time with my girlfriend and SHE had some
observations which I thought I would share with you.

She thought the stuff be eaten/spit out from the spoon at the end was
Monkey Brains!!!  She said that's why they showed the monkey previous
to it.  I thought the stuff was supposed to be creamed corn myself.

Also she thinks that Chet Desmond ended up in the black lodge because
that's where the ring transported him.  She referred to the line
"With this ring, I thee wed." as meaning the ring brings people to the
lodge.  She thinks that the character played by Jurgon Pruchnow (man with
beard above convenience store) is actually Chet Desmond at some later point.

Any comments on these weird ideas?
-- 
^ Steven Greco ^ (aka Windom Earle) 
slg20427@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu             "Color Me Amazed"-Agent Albert Rosenfield
greco@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu
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From: georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel)
Subject: Re: Where Songs are in the Movie (was TP:FWWM Soundtrack) spoilers
Summary: Where do they get the names?
Keywords: Dialogue
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:17:21 GMT

>
>Don't Do Anything I Wouldn't Do plays when Stanley and Desmond are at Hap's.

This could be another example of Dear Meadow being an evil twin of Twin
Peaks because Bobby plays a song at the R&R as he leaves with shelly (I am
sot sure if it is the same song) and says to Norma, "Don't do anything I
wouldn't do" - the first time we hear "Freshly Squeezed" in Twin Peaks (
(from the original soundtrack) it was right after Ben says "Freshly squeezed"
about the orange juice he was drinking. Any other examples of songs names
taken from the dialogue?
>
From: ploux@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Loux)
Subject: FWWM: Spoilers/thoughts
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 20:00:53 GMT



Spoiler spaces...





















Since no one else has mentioned it, I'll throw this out for
consideration. How about Deer Meadow as a twin of Twin Peaks.
You have a great case for a doppelganger community here. The
Sheriff's secretary is completely antithetical to Lucy's
sweet, winsome, helpful, generous ways. The deputy always
laughs, Andy always cris. Sheriff Cable couldn't be further
from Truman. The town (at least, the Fat Trout Trailer Park)
seems to be at the diametrically opposed end of the socio-
economic spectrum from Twin Peaks. Contrast Harry Dean Stanton
with Ben Horne for guest accomodations. Then there's the
diner, with the sardonic waitress, cigarette but hanging
from her lip; hardly Norma. But she is blond, as it the
Sheriff's secretary.

Another thought: point has been raised as to a possible
continuity error whereby Laura has already given Harold Smith
her secret diary _before_ she wakes up with Annie in her bed
telling her to write in her diary about Cooper and Laura
being in the Lodge. But this is in fact perfectly correct,
because this dream is not reflected in the diary, we don't
find out about it until Cooper and Donna (in the series)
encounter the _real_ Mrs. Tremond, who gives them the note
that Harold or Laura had given her to give to Donna. That
note describes Laura's dream in which she believes Cooper
is going to help her, the dream about the Lodge. So she
must have given that to Harold or Mrs. Tremond the next day.


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From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Subject: Re: Who the hell IS Mike?
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 19:35:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.143041.17937@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, scarlett@bnr.ca
(Michael Dorotich) wrote:
> 
> If Leland is the real-world human posessed by the Black Lodge Bob and 
> Phillip Gerard (that is the one-armed man's name) is the real-world human
> once posessed by LMFAP, then who the hell is Mike and what does he look
> like? Is it possible that Mike is LMFAP's name?  (It is, at any rate, the
> actor's name. He is sometimes called Little Mike.)

Not quite. The MFAP says he is the  arm, The OAM's (Mike) arm by all
appearances. Here's some stuff from the Timeline. People who want to
hypothesize would do well to ftp it from audrey and use grep or whatever to
check their ideas out. Best to have a set of tapes as well as the timeline
is  very condensed; (no criticism intended; it is great to have it). This
is from episode 2006 if you have tapes.

	M: My name is Mike.
	C: What are you?
	M: I am...an inhabiting spirit.
	C: Who is Phillip Gerard?
	M: He is host to me.

This immediately follows, by the way

	C: You spoke to me in my dream...about BOB.
	M: Mmm. He...was...my familiar.
	C: Where does BOB come from?
	M: That...cannot be revealed.

-Rich Haller
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:32:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Sheryl Lee's "wretched" acting (Re: Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
From: mmaxwell@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Second Guessing...
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:28:56 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: irpsws81.ucsd.edu

In article <15441@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog
here...) writes:
(big 'ol snip)
>The end result -- a slimmer, more focused film that could almost stand on
>its own.  Anyone else want to come forward with their "improvements" to
>FWWM?
>

Speaking as a marketing slimeball... ;)
The thing that bugged me somewhat is that FWWM would not make _any_
sense to anyone who is not realtively well-versed in the Peaks world
by way of the series.  Well, it really didn't bug me, but it did greatly
cut down on the potential audience.  If i had sat down in FWWM not
knowing the series at all, i would have just held my head trying
vainly to follow what the fuck was going on.  As it stands, FWWM is an
excellent _companion_ piece, but not a complete movie on its own.  (and
again, this may be due to the fact that it was hacked.)

Kermit's suggestion about concentrating on the death of Laura Palmer makes
a lot of sense to me.  Take out everything with Stanley and Desmond, 
because it just isn't essential.  Take out Jeffries, and even take out 
garmonbozia.  Yes, this means no Cooper as well.  This would make it a 
completely different movie.  (Maybe not a better one).

The thing is, that with all of the bits with Jeffries and Cooper and
the room above the convenience store are great.  They add a new dimension
to the movie and the story (and get all of us to go back and watch the
tapes over again to try and fit them in place.)  

If Lynch was making a commercial movie with FWWM, he failed miserably.
Thank BoB that he wasn't.  As it stands (and the 3:40 version would
only be more so, from what i hear) FWWM is an awesome, emotional
film experience.  I saw it twice.  I can't remember the last time that
i paid to see a movie twice in the theatre (well...i can, it was T2).
Lynch is a by god director, one who knows how to manipulate images
better than anyone i've seen in a long while.

Okay, i'm off the subject here.  Sorry.  My only real complaint with
FWWM is that there wasn't enough of it, that it did seem choppy.  It
is a prequel that demands you have seen the material following it.  I
find that refreshing.

Enough babble for now. 
-------------------
Matt Maxwell
mmaxwell@ucsd.edu

"He took personality tests
 and stapled them to his lower lip" -- Stan Ridgway
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: UnoJ
Subject: Little Details
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 04:09:36 GMT


Well ,well, after going through about 200 articles, I'd like to toss in a few
details I noticed during my second watch of the movie:

1- No way, as some have pointed out, there is no hand or arm of Coop's sticking
out of the door. This is quite inconsequential I know, but Coop is startled
only after seeing the monitor with his entire figure on it.

2- As Roger pointed out, the white mask has (always not just once) a protrusion
at forehead level. It looks like a twig. Also, when Pierre Tremond talks to
Laura telling her that "the man behind the mask" is looking for the book with
the pages torn out he is NOT pointing at himself as a poster suggested.

3- For what it's worth the number on the pole is 24810 but is looks as if there
is a first number (I think an 8) hidden behind a wire.

4- The men at Hap's diner when Chet and Sam walk in. It lokks as if there are
three: the one that talked to the two, one sitting down behind a counter and
another sitting against a wall (or doorway). The first man is complaining about
the "damn light."

5- The girl with the bloody nose (not the slashed throat) in Laura's bed is
most definitely Annie. If nothing else listen to the way she speaks. It's the
same high and silky voice of Heather Graham.

The posting of Bowie's uncut talk is quite informative. He talks over the
convenience-room scene but as is the case for the OAM shouting over the engine
roar the whole speech is hard to understand. 

It seems to me that Laura might be speaking in Lodge-speak a few times. One
time I can clearly remember is when she is in the woods with James. (I think
it's in this scene that Sheryl Lee turns in her best performance of the movie.)
At a certain point after they dismounted from the bike she says something weird
that I could not make out and James answers with "What?" Could those of you
with the script confirm/deny this?



     noJ
From: duane@thismoment.Corp.Sun.COM (Duane Day)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: what the monkey says
Date: 8 Sep 1992 22:14:25 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Reply-To: duane@thismoment.Corp.Sun.COM (Duane Day)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thismoment.corp.sun.com

FWWM spoiler below





In FWWM, the last time we see the brief image of the small monkey (just
about the time of the shot of the corn being slurped off the spoon), the
monkey says something.  Its mouth moves, and if you listen closely you 
hear a deep male voice speak a single word - well-synched to the visual.  

And, according to the friends with whom I viewed the movie last weekend, 
that single word spoken by the Monkey From Another Place is:

"Judy"

!!
From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: OAMs
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:01:52 GMT
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon

In article <faTP02Kk218M01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com
(Terry Carroll) wrote:
> 
> In article <3307@carroll1.cc.edu>, lzett@carroll1.cc.edu (Leslie D 
> Zettergren) writes:
> > In TP Jerrard is one of the names of the OAM.
> > In Fugitive Jerrard is the police Lt. in search
> > of Kimball.  Did the Jerrards have the same first
> > names too?
> 
> Yes; Phillip.

Minor detail, in the Fugitive it's Philip with one L according to EPI-LOG.
(And it's Gerard. )

> 
> > In the Fugitive Jerrard chased Kimball who chased
> > the OAM.  I'm not sure whether the Fugitive's OAM
> > was ever given a name.
> 
> He was, but I can't recall it.

Fred Johnson, according to EPI-LOG.

Interestingly enough, their summary of Fugitive years 3-4 was in the same
issue (July 1992) that features TP, that's how I happened to find the info.
Their article has a detailed episode summary which is a useful complement
to the Timeline.

-Rich Haller
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: TP:FWWM Soundtrack
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:38:12 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <190v4kINNi6h@bigboote.WPI.EDU> mking@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew Alexander King) writes:
>P.S.  Will someone please try and find out when the song "Sycamore Trees" 
>is played during movie, oh and also check for what Laura was listening to
>while doing coke, you know when see turns the radio on, thanks.

You hear a couple of bars of "Sycamore Trees" without vocals as Leland
enters the Lodge -- through the sycamore trees at Glastonberry Grove,
natch.  And the radio is playing "A Real Indication", the Badalamenti
rap / jazz fusion number.  (Interesting lyrics to that one -- something
about electricity, no?)

Incidentally, they've been using an instrumental version of "Questions In
A World Of Blue" as an incidental piece from the second season premiere
on.  It's featured in the scene where Audrey lies on the bed in One-Eyed
Jacks trying to talk to Cooper, and the opening of #2010, and later it's
one of Coop and Annie's themes.
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From: drewds@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (David A Southwood)
Subject: Queen of Hearts
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:49:47 GMT

Windom Earl pinned the queen of hearts on Audrey at one-eyed Jacks.  Remember,  he is the one always wearing the disguises.  He is also the one that mentions
the queen of hearts later in reference to the Miss Twin Peaks Pageant.
From: Dave_PadreFan_Rohrl@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Twin Peaks syndication?
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 22:07:23 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Haven't heard of any current syndication.

Much as I'd love to see it, it seems unlikely given the low number of
total episodes shot.
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:30:17 GMT
Subject: Re: DAVID LYNCH'S PREQUEL OF CONTEMPT - New York Newsday Review of FWWM
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
From: markw@meaddata.com (Mark Wasson)
Subject: Garmonbozia, Great Went, etc.
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:11:46 GMT
Distribution: na

I work for the company that produces NEXIS and thus have access to the
full text of hundreds of publications going back several years.  I did
a search on GARMONBOZIA and potential variants, and got back a message
that said GARMONBOZIA (and its variants) did not exist in our data 
(apparently not even in the recent movie reviews).

I then tried the phrase "GREAT WENT", as in Jacques saying that he is
the Great Went.  The answerset had over 100 documents. In most
instances, the two terms were coincidently used in proximity. In the
remaining documents, it was quoted from the movie, usually as an
example of the meaninglessness of the movie.

I wonder where Lynch et al get things like this.  I suspect that
he makes up half of it, and that it's not supposed to make any sense.
Kind of like the real world.

Mark

Carl Rodd:  "Damn, these people are confusing."

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From: rmichl@iiic.ethz.ch (Robert Michl)
Subject: Re: Jurgen Prochnow (sp?)
Summary: FWWM in USA == FWWM in Europe
Keywords: non-US viewers, Badalamentis Vocal
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:49:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.015816.20162@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> shallenb@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nualle") writes:
>He [J"urgen Prochnow] was the man with the very long beard in the room 
>with Bob, the Tremonts/Chalfonts, the LMFAP, and some others.  
>He was in the title sequence either because he's a big enough name in H-wood 
>to warrant it (likely) or because he originally had a larger role than 
>survived in the US release (would non-US viewers please comment?).
>My guess is the former... he has worked with Lynch before (Dune) and prob-
>ably did this cameo as a favor.

We've seen the same versions of "^Twin Peaks^ Fire Walk With Me" over 
here. (I think only in Cannes it was a bit longer).
Prochnow played the Log Lady's husband, I guess, and only for a second or
two (Beard, woolcap, rising and letting down his left arm strangely).

BTW, I'm positively surprised of Angelo Badalamentis Vocals in the sound-
track ("A Real Indication", "The Black Dog Runs At Night")...

		Robert Michl

		(rmichl@iiic.ethz.ch)

*****************************************************************
->My mother's name is Margaret (like the log Lady)
->We call Dad Carl (that was Fat Trout Trailer Park Guard)
->He's a Twin
->My brother's called Dennis (remember Denise Bryson?)
->We're Twins
->I'm BOB
->and my sister - guess what ? - Laura!
Well, the last names have been changed to protect the innocent...
*****************************************************************
From: sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: More on "pain and sorrow," and fear
Date: 8 Sep 1992 02:59:50 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: anableps.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Connection



Movie spoiler


Seeing BOB (it looked like BOB was the one eating "the pain and sorrow" in
the movie) makes me wonder even more about Josie's missing weight after
her death from fear--wasn't that how Coop referred to her death, that it
was as if she died from fright.  It seemed obvious that somehow Josie
was mixed up with the dark forces. She was the first TP person we ever
saw, in that weird scene of her applying lipstick, and humming as if she
were possessed, or knew something. Almost the exact scene was seen just
before she went off to visit Thomas Eckhert. And I remember the scene
when Hank did that brother siblings stuff....after he leaves she spreads
their blood over her lips as if its lipstick. Speaking of lipstick,
didn't Laura do something similar in the movie--and possibly even Ronnette.
Anyway, just before Eckhert and Josie meet we see fire reflecting off Eckhert's
sunglasses. All this makes me wonder if Josie was tied with the Black
Lodge, BOB, and that her missing weight is her "pain, and sorrow," her
Creamed Corn, which BOB consumed?

Sally--
-- 
And I'll see you//And you'll see me          ||    Sally  A.  Wilson
And I'll see you in the branches that blow   ||    Spud   Peel
In the breeze,//I'll see you in the trees    ||    sally@mica.berkeley.edu
Under the sycamore trees       (_Sycamore_Trees_  Lynch/Badalamenti)
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From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Subject: Re: TP,FWWM: Questions  (HELP :)
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 19:40:24 GMT

In article <9209110347.AA02428@cs.utexas.edu>,
STDN%MARIST.bitnet@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Dan Newcombe) wrote:
> 2) Who is Judy?

I'm not going to talk about Judy. Let's keep Judy out of this.

-Rich Haller
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