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From: Tugrul_Giray@qms1.life.uiuc.edu (Tugrul Giray)
Subject: Re: CIVCIV DUSUNCE VE UGUR MUMCUNUN OLUMU
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Organization: University of Illinois
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:36:54 GMT

In article <C1HEEI.1xn@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu
(Emre Erkut) wrote:
> 
> In article <01GTXTQV3WTU0005L2@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU> RCIRIT%DENVER@VAXF.Colorado.EDU (REMZI CIRIT) writes:
> >Benim Ugur Mumcuya ihtiyacim vardir. Islamin buyuklugunu gormem
> >icin  Ugur Mumcu gibiler olamlidir. Kotu olmadan iyi anlam ifade
> >etmez
> 
> Bakin burada siniri astiniz. 
> Biz Ugur Mumcu'nun olumunun acisini yasiyoruz.
> Ulkemiz basin, dusun ve kultur dunyasinin en buyuklerinden 
> birini kaybediyor, sonra biri kalkiyor, o kotuydu, iyi ki
> kotuydu, ben dinimin buyuklugunu gordum diyor.
> Sizin insanliginiz da kalmamis.
> Siz dinle kafayi yemissiniz. 
> Siz Islam'la kafayi yemissiniz.
> Olayin haberini ( bir Turk gazetesinden) okudunuz mu? Arabanin ve 
> sokagin halini gordunuz mu? Mumcu'nun vucudunun parcalari atrafa dagilmis.
> Duvarda iki parmak, yerde bir et parcasi, koltukta beyin parcalari.
> Hic iciniz sizladi mi?
> Bir insan oldu diye?
> Bizim icimiz cok sizladi.
> Once insan oldugu icin.
> Sonra buyuk gezeteci oldugu icin.
> Sonra cumhuriyetin ve laikligin savunucusu oldugu icin.
> Ama siz arkasindan o kotuydu diyorsunuz.
> Dusunceye sayginiz olmadigini biliyoruz, bari insan ruhuna sayginiz olsun.
> 
> Sizlerle (Islamcilarla) uzun sure insanca tartismaya kalkistik.
> Meger sizi ciddiye almakla yanilmisiz.
> Asil bizim sizin gibilere ihtiyacimiz var.
> Saglikli dusundugumuzu, insanca duygulara sahip oldugumuzu anlayabilmemiz
> icin.
> 
> Siz Islamla kafayi yemissiniz. 
> -- 
> Emre Erkut                                      You can murder people 
> Krannert, Purdue                                but you can never 
> Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       murder ideas.

 Sayin Emre Erkut,
	Goruluyorki sizle Remzi Bey konusunda ayni fikirdeyiz. Size bir onerim
var; dogru durust yazmaya baslayana kadar Remzi Bey'in yazilarina yanit
vermeyelim. Ben yalnizca Turkce yanlislarini duzeltmeyi dusunuyorum. Remzi
Bey belki o tur elestriyi kabul eder bu da bir baslangic olur. Yoksa
korkarim yazdiklarimiz "bir kulagindan girip oburunden cikiyor".
	Saygilar,
Tugrul Giray
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From: muskudar@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Michael Uskudarli)
Subject: Macedonia...
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:54:39 GMT


        To all the Greeks who bitch-gripe-moan about Macedonia on SCT,

    
        My dear fellow Turkish friends,
   
   Hey, I've got a great idea. This summer, why don't we all go to MACEDONIA.
You know, the Independent, Sovereign and beautiful new country north of
Greece. I hear the weather in MACEDONIA is great and they enjoy Turkish
people. Boy, I can't wait to go there and buy a t-shirt that reads
" MACEDONIA: THE PERAL OF THE BALKANS." Oh man, I can't wait to go there.
In fact, why don't we start a fund amongst ourselves and contact a guy
in MACEDONIA  to see if we can get some cheap rates. After all, it is not too
far away from us. We pass right over Greece and boom, we are in MACEDONIA.
   By the way, let us open an account in a Washington D.C. bank and deposit
$10 each time a Greek appears on SCT and makes a " Macedonia is ours"
mumbo - jumbo and at the end of the year let us make all the money payable
to the MACEDONIA'an (the real indepent, free and beautiful) government.


                                           See you all this summer in MACEDONIA

Best Wishes,
The M man.          
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From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Subject: Re: ORTACAG VE UGUR MUMCUNUN OLUMU
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:42:43 GMT

In article <01GU0E11M4JM0015II@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU> RCIRIT%DENVER@VAXF.Colorado.EDU (REMZI CIRIT) writes:
>
>         Doagada Cevre ile olusum aradindaki iliski genelde, 
>bir dis  etken olarak algilayabilecegimiz  GUNES  ile anlam bulur.
>Insan dusuncesi de  bazen karanliklr icersinde kara bir kaya gibi
>anlam ifade etmeyebilir. Ak-kara, kara aksiz bir anlam ifade
>etmeyebilr veya kafamizda olusan dusunce zittiyla daha faza anlam
>kolayligi kazanir.Bu dusunce anlam kazanir demek degildir. Ugur
>MUmcu sadece sahisti ve bir dusuncenin temsilcisiydi. GENEL OLARAK
>SOZ VARDIR MUHATABLARIMIZ KISLER DEGILKISLERIN DEGIL FIKIRLER
>olamlidir. Islami dusunce icerisindede bu tur yapinin hakim olmasi
>gerekir. ben sahsen kisilerden cok dusuncelerl ugrasmayi tercih
>ederim. Buyuzden UGUR MUMCUnun var olmasi daha iyi insan olarak
>onun butun canlilar gibi yasamaya hakki vardir. Onun caninin
>haksiz yere alanlar, yada teror yoluyla alanlar KATILDIR.
>

Gunes, munes, ak-kara, bunlar palavra.
Buna Turkce'de ne derler?
Cevir kazi yanmasin.

Ok yaydan ciktiysa bir daha geri donmez Remzi Cirit (HZ). 

Asil bizim sizin gibilere ihtiyacimiz var. Saglikli dusunebildigimizi,
insanca duygulara sahip oldugumuzu anlayabilmemiz icin.
-- 
Emre Erkut                                      You can murder people 
Krannert, Purdue                                but you can never 
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       murder ideas. 
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 07:20:02 GMT

If at first you don't succeed, give up, no use being a damn fool.
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:31:21 EST
From: Erkan Erturk <FL1@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Ugur Mumcu..AP news..

NEWS 1/24/93              PAGE  1 OF  4

   Turkish Journalist Mumcu Slain;
     Wrote About Shooting Of Pope
                 ---
    ANKARA, Turkey - A prominent left-
wing journalist in Turkey was killed
Sunday by a bomb planted under his car.
    Turkey's prime minister pledged the
killers would be brought to justice.
    Two Islamic groups, both previously
unknown, claimed responsibility.
    Ugur Mumcu, 50, a columnist for the
Istanbul daily Cumhuriyet, had been an
outspoken critic of Islamic
fundamentalism and Kurdish separatism.

NEWS 1/24/93              PAGE  2 OF  4

    Mumcu, a vigorous defender of
secularism in Turkey, had reported
receiving death threats from extremist
Islamic groups.
    He died instantly when the bomb
exploded as he started his car outside
his apartment in a residential
district. The Anatolia news agency
quoted officials as saying the bomb had
been planted under the car.
    Premier Suleyman Demirel and
several cabinet members went to Mumcu's
house to express their sympathy. ''The
killers will be found,'' Demirel said.

NEWS 1/24/93              PAGE  3 OF  4

    Demirel's government is under fire
for failing to catch the killers of
other leading figures, including
another journalist and two professors
slain in the past 3 years.
    A group calling itself the Islamic
Salvation called newspapers to claim
responsibility.
    Anatolia's Istanbul office said it
received a call from a group that
called itself Islamic Great East
Raiders Front claiming responsibility.



NEWS 1/24/93              PAGE  4 OF  4

    Mumcu gained international fame for
his books on the attempted
assassination of Pope John Paul II in
May 1981 by the right-wing Turkish
terrorist Mehmet Ali Agca.
    Tracing Agca's moves in Turkey and
in Europe before the shooting, Mumcu
exposed his links with Bulgarian arms
smugglers.
    Mumcu also was an expert on
international arms and drug trafficking
and terrorism.
From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Seyreyleyin gumburtuyu
Date: 25 Jan 93 03:01:09 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1029323.42184.17605@kcbbs.gen.nz> Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas) writes:


> Ey Kufredenler !


That's like a kettle calling a pot black. Kendine hitap etmeye mi
basladin simdi ?

Yazdiklarini gozlerin okusun.
-- 

	mark	

   hubey@amiga.montclair.edu         hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
   hubey@pilot.njin.net               ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey    
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From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Subject: Re: ugur mumcu
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:51:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.175640.16340@fuug.fi> an7814@anon.penet.fi writes:
>c.tanimina gelince,deve kusu bir durum cikiyor ortaya,ne deve ne kus:en
>guzel ornegi de su andaki turkiye,laik devlet imam hatip medreseleri yapiyor,
>imamlarin maasi -buyuk bir kismi-vergilerden dir ki bunun rekortmeni kim
>olur? Istanbul genelevi patronicesi m.manukiyan|||

Laik devlet neden imam hatip lisesi yapiyor ( medrese degil lise - sizin
kafalar hala Osmanli zamaninda ) ? Cunku ne yazik ki devletin Milli 
Egitim Bakanligi dinciler tarafindan isgal altinda. Ama hepsini 
temizleyecegiz.

Manukyana gelince, buyuksirket patronlari gibi vergisini kacirmayip
odedigi icin, bence onaylanacak bir insandir. Genelev hizmetine
karsiysaniz, Anadolu'da bu isler nasil olur bilirsiniz.
Ya esek duzerler, ya da 14 yasinda evlendirirler. Daha mi iyi?

Siz Islam'la kafayi yemissiniz.

Mollalar Iran'a!

Turkiye laiktir ve oyle kalacaktir.
-- 
Emre Erkut                                      You can murder people 
Krannert, Purdue                                but you can never 
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       murder ideas. 
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From: goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring)
Subject: Re: NPR: Bosnia Faces Aggression now from Croats
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:54:09 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <9301272016@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
>In article <C1H1z9.4CK@apollo.hp.com> goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes:
>
>>  Except when "one" is an AI program with no apparent "intent" 
>>  to injure.
>
>The mask lifts and it is a racist genocide apologist with a ten-dollar
>grin taking up most of his fascist face. Well, does it change the fact 
>that during the period of 1914 to 1920, your fascist Armenian grandfathers 
>ordered, incited, assisted and participated in the genocide of 2.5 million 
>Muslim people because of race, religion and national origin? ...

    My point, exactly.  Were you a human slanderer, you'd be doing
    community service in low-income neighborhoods.  

    Is there is a way to shut this slander-generating program up?


-- 
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From: an7787@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Fortune
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.turkish
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:37:25 GMT

Arkadaslar gordugunuz gibi her yirmi dakikada bir fortune mesaji yayinlanmaktadir.Bu aksam dogu vaktiyle saat 10 pm'e kadar bu devam edecektir.Bunlarin iki
yarari vardir
1.Fortune'lar kufur icermez .Boylece netteki kufursuz yazi orani yukselir
2.Bu olay direk olarak kisi accountinada gonderilebilir(otomatik olarak).Su anda
dakikada bes mesaj gonderme gibi bir imkanim var.
Eyer pazarteside ben senin ....,gelmisini gecmisini ....,senin seyin essek seyi
olsa ....,gibi yazilar gorursem gunde 7200 mail mesaji almaya hazir olun..
Anonim serverlar esasinda yararli seylerdir.Kullanmayi iyi bilmek lazim.
Sayin Hilmi Eren cok iyi bir bloftu eger poker icin ortak ararsaniz sevinerek
kabul ederim zira bu service tumuyle safe(in the engineering sense %90+).
Sayin Hakki Kocabas bu kadar insanlari kizdiracak ne yaptiniz.
Sakin Ataturk ve ulusumuz(milletimiz) hakkindaki yazilariniz olmasin.Bence nasil
din kutsal bir kavramsa ,milli liderlerde kutsal bir kavramdir.Her insan hata
yapar ama bazi insanlarin basardigi onemli isler yaninda hatalari ufak kalir.
Neyse bunlari anonim serverdan yazmak istemiyorum.Zamani gelince kendi account-
'imdan yazarim
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From: kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Hikayenin aslI, TUrkiye, Vikingler, CocaCola vs. ( was: Ne babasi? )
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:54:05 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In <1993Jan6.162248.26942@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> tanju@cbnewsi.cb.att.com
(tanju.cataltepe) writes on the

>>Father Christmas ha! 
>>Yahu bunlar ingilizce de bilmiyorlarmis,aynen Turkce de bilmedikleri gibi..

>Tatli su Amerikalilari Kirmizi Urbalara Ingilizce ogretme kampanyasi
>acacaklar galiba. :-)

....

Zaten Father _christmas da bir kIrmIzI urba deGil midir ? AslInda
Father _christmas, _ingiltere'yi iSgal eden pagan Vikinglerin bir 
tanrIsI, bu adI sonradan alIyor. Nikolas da bizim Antalya
vilayetimizde fakirlere yardIm eden bir adamcaGIz. Kilise bunun
mitleSen UnUnU duyunca miladi 4. yUzyIlda azizlik payesi veriyor. 
Zamanla batI kilisesi de bunu popUlerize etmiS. _geCen yUzyIlIn
sonlarInda _ingiltere'deki Noel Baba ve Aya Nikola/St Nicholas
/Santa'Claus kiSilikleri bUtUnleSmiS.  

Pekiyi kIrmIzI urbasI nereden geliyor ? 1930'lara kadar bu aziz
memleketlimiz  farklI farklI esvabda tasvir ediliyordu. _coca-cola
Sirketi bir yIlbaSI kampanyasInda Noel Baba'yI kullanIrken bugUnkU
kIrmIzI  elbise, kukuleta ve aksakalla temsil etti ve  standardI da
belirlemiS oldu. 

Kutluk
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From: an7500@anon.penet.fi (R. Ozturk)
Subject: Deneme mesaji
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.turkish
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:22:05 GMT

Deneme Mesajidir.
Lutfen Kaale almayiniz.....


Ben

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From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Subject: Re: Islama Kalkan Eller!
Keywords: na
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:27:36 GMT

In article <BvXQmz.G8S@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> CAOX@qucdn.queensu.ca (A.Ahmed) writes:
>Bismillahirrahmanirahim.

>Bu olay bir kere daha gostermistirki Islama uzanan diller kesilecek!
>Islama kalkan eller kirilacaktir!.
>
>Mumcu olayi hepinize ders olsun.
>
>vesselam,
>
>Ahmed

Sizin bismillahiniz, sizin selaminiz neye yarar?
Mumcu olayi ders olsun ha?
Utanin, sacmalarinizdan utanmiyorsaniz, olunun arkasindan konusmaktan
utanin!
Turkiye Cumhuriyeti'ni 70 yildir batiramadiniz, bundan sonra da 
batiramayacaksiniz!
Sizin gibilere Turkiye'de yer yok.
Siz Iran'a gidin.

Siz Islam'la kafayi yemissiniz.
-- 
Emre Erkut                                      You can murder people 
Krannert, Purdue                                but you can never 
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       murder ideas. 
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From: irakliot@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Leo J. Irakliotis)
Subject: Re: Ellemann-Jensen on Macedonia
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:02:44 GMT
Reply-To: irakliot@lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering Network Services, Colorado State University

In article <9301252146@zuma.UUCP>, sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
|> He also believed that the minorities in Turkiye were gradually going to be
|> assimilated in the national Turkish culture under the impact of the processes
|> of modernization and Westernization.

I see. Perhaps that's what is happenig to Kurds. Modernization and
Westernization. At least Hussein is honourable enough to admit that his
version of modernization and Westernization is administered with the
aid of mustard gas.

-- 
Leo J Irakliotis                 irakliot@eva.lance.colostate.edu
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From: an7793@anon.penet.fi
Subject: No Subject
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.turkish
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 14:40:01 GMT

Next Friday will not be your lucky day.  As a matter of fact, you don't
have a lucky day this year.
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From: RCIRIT%DENVER@VAXF.Colorado.EDU (REMZI CIRIT)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: RE:RE;RE:SEYTAN AYETLERI VE KUR'AN-2
Date: 21 Jan 1993 19:59:35 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



n article <4936.9301211952@thor.cf.ac.uk> speeo@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr Ercan Otemel
92) writes:
>   In article <MUCIT.93Jan19201714@slate.cs.rochester.edu> mucit@cs.rochester.e
du (Bulent Murtezaoglu) writes:
>   |In article <01GTPDXHF0FM00005J@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU> RCIRIT%DENVER@VAXF.Colora
do.EDU (REMZI CIRIT) writes:
>   |[buralari sildim]
>|>
>|>   Islamda Kur'an ve hadisligi ispatlamis aktarmalarin hic birini atamazsin.
>|>   Kur'an ve Hadis den secme hakkin yokdur. Ama delili saglam olmayan hadisle
r
>|>   ile Tefsirlerin soylediklerinde secme hakkim, yokdur. Ben yas konusunda
>|>   baska kitablarda bunun 9 ile 14 yas arasinda degistigini soyledim. ve yas
>|>   isterse  5 olsun benim icin farketmez dedim.

      BOYLE AYRINTILARLA ugrasip, ayrintilarin icinde kaybolmak istemedigimden
birde, delillerimiz getirdik ve konuyu tartismak artik istemiyordum. Allah'in
resulunun 5 yasindaki biri ile evlenmesi elbette zaten ilahi mesaj uymazdi. 
parcalar halinde olayi ele aldigimiz zaman sistem teoricilerinin bir, lafi
vardir parcalarin toplami butun degildir diye. Butun parcalar arasindaki
baglantilar ile bir butundur. harsey contexti icinde genelde anlamini kazanir.
Parcaciklar ile ugrasip butunu yakalayamam durumuna dusmek istemem. Birak
ayrintilar icinde kaybolmak isteyenler kaybolsun gitsin. ercan ve Hamid beyler 
haklilar .
Siz muslumnalar olarak Allah resulunde boyle sey beklermisiniz de, oturup
onunla ugrsacam.

Remzi Cirit

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From: ISTANBUL@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Mustafa Ahmetoglu)
Subject: TEST
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:57:31 GMT

BU BIR DENEMEDIR.
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From: an8199@anon.penet.fi
Subject: UGUR MUMCU CINAYETI: YENI BILGILER
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.turkish
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:22:49 GMT

Bunlari biliyor muydunuz?:

Daha once defalarca tehdit edildigi icin Ugur Mumcu'nun kapisinin
onunde 24 saat polis nobet tutuyormus. Bu durumda teroristlerin bombayi ne
zaman ve nasil yerlestirdikleri konusu biraz merak uyandirici. Karsi
apartmanin kapicisinin da olaydan hemen once araba civarinda oynayan cocuklari
kovalamasi da biraz ilginc, degil mi? Bunlar resmi bilgiler degil, Ugur
Mumcu'nun aile dostumuz olmasi sonucu elde ettigim bilgiler.
Diger, ve tek sevindirici olayin da kamuoyunun simdiye kadar gorulmemis bir
tepkiyle karsilamis olmasi. Annemin dedigine gore basortulu ev kadinlari
dahil binlerce kisi evi onune kirmizi karanfiller birakiyormus. Simdiye kadar
olayi dort tane orgut ustlenmis durumda. Islami Cihad en fazla suphelenilen
orgut, buyuk ihtimalle de suclu...
Kiciniza kina yakin, ne diyim...

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From: bent@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: How many foreign troops in Turkey?
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:40:37 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

How many foeign troops are stationed in Turkey?

bent@yang.earlham.edu
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.misc
Subject: Ignorants from Kiev follow ignorants from Tallinn
Supersedes: <93027.091419BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:03:08 EST
From: Boris A. Veytsman <BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu>

Recently I received a letter from my friend at Ukraine.  She says that new
rules set by Ukrainian Ministry of Education change ENGLISH spelling of the
Ukrainian capital: Kyyiv instead of former Kiev.  The new spelling
corresponds to the Ukrainian prononciation (the old one corresponds to the
Russian).

Well, well.  The example was set by Estonian leaders: several years ago they
changed RUSSIAN spelling of Tallinn.  I don't know why they have had right
to issue orders to the Russian language - a foreign one, by their (and my)
opinion.  Moreover, I don't know why did the Russian language obey (maybe
due to centuries of slavery?).  But avalanche began.  It was a temptation
for any post-Communist petty boss - to leave his imprints on the Russian
language.  And new independent nations set rules for their *occupants* -
poor Russian children passing Geography exams!  And now English.

Were I not sure in the complete lack of education in the Ukrainian Minister
of Education I would write him a letter and explain that there is a
principle of tradition in spelling of foreign names, and it has a priority
over phonetic principle.  But it is out of the question - a Ukrainian
Government official cannot understand polysyllabic words (being a Ukrainian
citizen I know this for sure).

Dear netters!  We must counter-attack!  Let the American netters write to
their Congressmen urging them to pass a law on Ukrainian spelling and
prononciation!  The Ukrainians must say and write 'state [TEksas]',
'[KhAdsonova protoka]', 'state [MishIgen]' etc!  Let the British netters
urge their Parliament and Queen!  The Ukrainians must say and write '[Landn,
yakyy ye stolytsya Inglendu]'!  Dear French, Austrian, Italian and Portugal
netters!  Would not it be pleasant for you to hear [Pari, Vin, Rom, Lizhbon]
from a passing-by Ukrainian?

It's time for action!

-Boris
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From: alexeev@math.utah.edu (Valery A. Alexeev)
Subject: Re: EXIT VISAS WERE NOT ABOLISHED (-- PART III---)
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Utah
Date: 25 Jan 93 12:24:37

On Mon, 25 Jan 93 14:14:11 +0400, Ruslan <ruslan@ars.udmurtia.su> said:

> Sorry, but I was interested where are you get a Russian papers. I
> saw advertisement in Komsomolskaya Prawda too and It is easy for
> understanding because of my living place... Probably, I could make
> SovokInform part ][.  =)

Kto nibudx perewedite ^to on skazal ?
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