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From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1: Tyrrell Announce Yamaha Deal
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:24:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxGr8C.4Ky
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

10702296@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (DECLAN MC) writes:

>In article <720921233.26440@minster.york.ac.uk> pete@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>>Path: monu6!bruce.cs.monash.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!sgiblab!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!ames!agate!doc.ic.ac.uk!uknet!yorkohm!minster!pete
>>From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
>>Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
>>Subject: Re: F1: Tyrrell Announce Yamaha Deal
>>Message-ID: <720921233.26440@minster.york.ac.uk>
>>Date: 4 Nov 92 23:53:53 GMT
>>References: <1992Nov3.180007.11429@gdr.bath.ac.uk>
>>Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England
>>Lines: 15
>>Andrew Henry (bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk) wrote:
>>: 
>>: This makes four engines in four years for Tyrrell.  The deal is 
>>: for two years. Given that Yamaha's contract with Jordan was for 
>>: four years, and it lasted one, does this herald a mid-season
>>: engine swap for Ken's team ?  :-)
>>
>>Four engines in four years never hurt Toleman/Benetton much -- Hart, BMW, 
>>Cosworth turbo and DFR (1985-88)

>Tyrell will be hurtin' heaps!
>Just look at what happened to the Jordan team this year, Tyrell will be 
>languishing among the back markers next season, wait and see!
>The Yamaha engine is a lemon, Jordan were glad to see the back of it.

>Declan McCreesh

	The deal is to use Yamaha V-10's, not the current V-12. In actuality,
the Yamaha V-10 is not much more than a rebadged Judd GV V-10. For the last
few races, Judd's Engine Developments helped Jordan/Yamaha with their engine.
Don't know if it helped any, but Yamaha saw fit to take Judd's design and add
to it. So, I don't think that the new V-10 will be QUITE the dog that the V-12
was. Who knows, maybe it will turn out to be a good engine!


TOBY...
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From: uemura@isl.melco.co.jp (Joe Uemura)
Subject: F1 Engines (was Re: F1: Tyrrell Announce Yamaha Deal)
Organization: Mitsubishi Electric, Ofuna, Kanagawa, Japan
	<720921233.26440@minster.york.ac.uk>
	<10702296.18.721283112@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>
	<92314.164924JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:37:49 GMT

In article <92314.164924JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu> JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu (Jonathan Swaby) writes:
 |>>Andrew Henry (bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk) wrote:
 |>>:
 |>>: This makes four engines in four years for Tyrrell.  The deal is
 |>>: for two years. Given that Yamaha's contract with Jordan was for

 |>>
 |>>Four engines in four years never hurt Toleman/Benetton much -- Hart, BMW,
 |>>Cosworth turbo and DFR (1985-88)
 |
 |
 |It wont be the same Yamaha engine. It will be a Judd V-10 with Yamaha
 |valve covers. The Judd engine is not bad, perhaps more  reliable than
 |the Ilmor Tyrrell ran last year. I think his best chance for having
 |a good season was when he ran Honda V-10s. They did well in the Footworks
 |cars this year.
 |

I keep hearing about Hart V10s, Ilmor, Judd, etc. I believe all these 
engines are named after their tuners. Does anyone know who actually makes the
base engines these folks tune? Also, as Jonathan implies above, will
next year's Yamaha engine be a simple relabeled Judd V10 engine? If so,
who makes the base Judd engine - Judd himself? 

Joe
From: TBACKMAN@finabo.abo.fi (Timo B{ckman TF)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: McLaren engines
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:50:03 GMT
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
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According to finnish newspaper McLaren don't get the Renault engines. Patrick
Faure, who is some kind of chief of the sporting section at Renault said that
they couldn't have both Williams and McLaren because of the oil companies in-
volved. "It would have been interesting to see the battle between Williams-
Renault and McLaren-Renault. But we work too closely with Elf to supply a 
team that is supported by an another oil company". McLaren has recently 
renewed a conract with Shell. So it seems that McLaren is still in searc
for engines for the 1993 season.

Can anybody confirm this, or is this another story in the finnish press?
The local press seems to be very hype these days.


Timo Backman
From: bradley@reed.edu (Ben Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: From Cannonball Kehoe-- Lyn St. James
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:37:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov13.003746.24146
Organization: Reed College, Portland OR

I tried posting this earlier today, but I haven't seen it yet
so I figure I screwed up somewhere.  If this is a repeat post,
I apologize.  If not, well, enjoy...


Thanks to Ben Bradley posting this for me (our net's been screwed
up the past couple of weeks):

I have arranged for an exclusive interview with Lyn St. James this
coming Saturday (11/14), as she will be in Portland to speak at the
Oregon Women's Sports Conference - she is currently the president of
the Women's Sports Foundation.

If anyone of you have a specific question you'd like me to ask Lyn,
I'll try to accomodate you.  Obviously I'll attempt to gain any
information on her IndyCar plans for 1993, but there may be some
other topics of interest.

E-mail me your question(s) by Friday (11/12).  Send them to bob@ncube.com

I'll attempt to post a summary of the interview next week.

Later,
bob
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From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Re: Nigel's records
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:33:11 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <BxGCsB.Bu7@fang.att.com> agwiii@fang.att.com (Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92)) writes:
>
>The record number of poles in a season is held by Mansell: 14.
>
>The record number of wins in a season is held by Mansell: 9.
>
>The record number of whining incidents is held by Mansall: lost count.

But he's going to lose this one next year . . . :-)

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From: cg894@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Lee Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Adelaide notes {SPOILERS}
Date: 9 Nov 1992 14:48:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Several notes about the grand prix:
  What happened to Larini at the start?  He was at the back of     
the grid (behind the last position) wasn't he?  Did he stall
on the parade lap?
 
  Can you believe Grouillard?  He drove around the track at 1/10
speed with his left front torn off!  He is a menace to himself,
the other drivers, corner workers, and anyone else!!
 
  One more thing, I can't believe that, when Mansell and Senna
went off together and Patrese and Berger began to fight for 
the lead, ESPN went to a full-screen map of the track.  The
best fight on the track was only heard over Hobbs description
of each corner and straight!  GRRRRRRRR!
 
Question:  What happened to Berger on the last corner on the
last lap?  It looked like he slowed for a second.  Schumaker
almost caught him.
-- 
      
Brian Wilson...                 Not from the Beach Boys!
From: mrp@ITD.Adelaide.EDU.AU (Mark Prior)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Adelaide: Senna-Mansell crash
Date: 11 Nov 1992 06:40:51 GMT
Organization: Information Technology Division, University of Adelaide
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In article <1dk3psINN65t@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan) writes:
|>
|> Does someone have the full story on how these two drivers crashed.  I did
|> watch the race but I'm still not too clear on the reasons for the crash.
|> As far as I know, Senna's reason was that Mansell outbraked him.

I wasn't down that end of the track but according to the press Mansell
claims that Senna deliberately rammed him where as Senna claimed that
Mansell braked sooner than normal and that because he was running so
close to Mansell he couldn't stop (or get out of the way). The FISA
officials supported Senna's view of the incident.

Looking at the tape of the race I too would support Senna's view.

Mark.
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From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Mansell/Senna/Adelaide F1
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:57:00 +0000

Maybe it was retaliation by Mansell for Bergers move on Patrese in
Portugal :-)
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Subject: Re: BMW quits the GTCC
From: Stuart_Laing@kcbbs.gen.nz (Stuart Laing)
Date: 8 Nov 92 02:15:06 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Please somebody help me here, Is there not a half V8 Pontiac ussed in
speedway midgets.
Saturday Night Thurder has started again to night Down Under at the
Springs we are looking forward to see Sleepy in the Wendys??? car this
year>( Danny Lendich his car owner is the Local Wendys Franchise Holder)
From: comptec92070@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Patrese's points (was: Re: Adelaide: Senna-Mansell crash)
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:26:11 GMT
Organization: Camosun College

In article <1992Nov9.093708.1@wharfin.mit.edu>, lang@wharfin.mit.edu writes:
> In article <1dk3psINN65t@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan) writes:
>> 
>> Does someone have the full story on how these two drivers crashed.  I did
>> watch the race but I'm still not too clear on the reasons for the crash. 
>> As far as I know, Senna's reason was that Mansell outbraked him.
> 
> I believe the opposite is true, e.g. Senna _tried_ to outbrake Mansell. The
> result being that Mansell's car _got in the way_. In the racing sense, this was
> clearly Senna's fault, as it is the responsibility of the overtaking driver to
> avoid contact...Senna clearly did not try to avoid Mansell's car. 
> 
> I was quite saddened by this occurance. It would have been nice to see Nigel
> win the 10th race in one season. Oh well. I was glad, on the other hand, that
> no injuries occurred.
> 
> In another posting, one person was ranting about liking to see Nigel "punch the
> lights out" on Senna. While I admit this would be entertaining, I don't think it
> would have served either of them well in their future endeavors. It's kind of
> nice to know that, at least for the time being, cooler heads prevailed. I'll
> also admit that I was quite surprised to see Nigel _cross the track_ to get
> back to the paddock...VERY DANGEROUS, and I'm sure he will be fined for the
> action.
> 
> So, Berger wins, Patrese does not finish second in the points (I'm sure that
> Frank Williams is not happy with that result!). Yet another F1 season in the
> books!
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> 
  Actually, Patrese did finish second in the points. I'm sure the final 
championship points will be posted soon for confirmation.

  Sylvan Smyth.
From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: More Sauber Tests at Barcelona
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:50:05 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

Robert Marti writes :

>(Richard Banks) writes in response to Dan Jones and Toby Vaughn Padfield:
>
>|> You both *know* what you are missing.  I'll just go ahead and say it for
>|> you.  You are both trying to imply that the Sauber-Illmor is a better car
>|> that the Williams-Renault.

Ha ha ha ha.

>Aw, come on.  There are a lot of possible interpretations of the test
>results.  One could indeed be that the Sauber-Ilmor C12 is better than
>the Williams-Renault FW14.  Another one could be that Karl Wendlinger is
>a better driver than 1992 World Champion Nigel Mansell.  Although I'd
>be very happy if one of the two (or even both of them) is true, the
>jury on Sauber/Ilmor/Wendlinger is still out.  The real test comes in
>the next season, because
>1) the track conditions for the Sauber tests may have been better than
>   in May,
>2) Goodyear may have concocted better tire compounds in the meantime
>etc. etc.

A good example of how inaccurate it can be to compare times from one event
to another, is the Japanese GP this year and the F3000 event in March.
Ross Cheever's pole time in March would have qualified him 15th for the GP.
That would have been faster than Jean Alesi in the Ferrari.

<sarcasm on>

Therefore, I would like to say that the F3000 Reynard is a better car
than the F1 Ferrari.

<sarcasm off>

Ha ha ha ha.

>Besides, even if the Sauber C12 _were_ better than the FW14, we should
>not forget that Williams will field the FW15 next year.
>
>And I'm sure both Dan and Toby know this, too.

Even with some of the above in mind, I think the testing times are very
encouraging.  Of course, the real indication of what we might expect next
season is when Sauber starts testing with the other boys.

Anyway, I'm hopeful that the Sauber turns out to be a very competitive team
next season.  And the more competitive they are, the better in my mind.
It might be a little optimistic to think that Sauber might pull a Wolf and
win its first F1 race, but it doesn't hurt hoping.

Dan Jones
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From: agwiii@fang.att.com (Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92))
Subject: Re: BMW quits the GTCC
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:25:38 GMT

Frank Bull writes:
>
<<much stuff deleted>>

>Didn't Pontiac do something similar in 196[01] with the 4 cylinder Tempest.
>Took a 389ci v8 and cut it length-wise and made an inline slant 4.

1961.  The same year the Buick/Oldsmobile aluminum V8 first appeared.  Later
made appearances as a Rover V-8 and F1 engine as a Repco.

Modular approaches have been used from time to time.  The famous Ferrari 308 was2/3s of a Daytona.  Aircraft engines have played this game, too.  In the late
1930s, Alfa F1 316 was close to a pair of 158s on a common crankcase.  Question is, which engine was more successful, the whole or the chop?

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From: miller@convex.com (Ken Miller)
Subject: Nascar info.
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Billsburg, Va., USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:34:43 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


	Richard Petty is to hold a news conference tomorrow (Thursday)
	where he is expected to announce the driver of his STP sponsored
	#44 car for the '93 season.

	Dale Earnhardt signed a 3 year deal with Goodwrench/Childress.

	The weather for this weekends NASCAR event in Atlanta is said
	to be in the 50's, with rain ending Friday. Good cool track for
	those fast Fords!

	Ken Miller
	miller@convex.com
From: chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Nigel's records
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:14:01 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
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From article <BxGCsB.Bu7@fang.att.com>, by agwiii@fang.att.com (Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92)):
> 
> The record number of poles in a season is held by Mansell: 14.
> 
> The record number of wins in a season is held by Mansell: 9.
> 
> The record number of whining incidents is held by Mansall: lost count.
Not quite.  The record number of whining incidents in a season is a
three way tie between Mansell (1992), Senna (1992), and Prost (1990):
not countable.

Chris Prael
From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Stuff
Date: 13 Nov 92 06:42:41 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

>>I have been curious about this for some time, from what i see on TV dont the 
>>wings on F1 and Indycars put the weight on the chassis, where, as Bob 
>>suggests, it would make more sense to put the weight on the suspension.
>>Am i mistaken or is there a rule that covers this.
>
>Well, even though I am sure a lot of postings will say this, I won't
>let the tyranny of distance keep me quiet (chorus of groans) - 
>the first real wings used in F1 cars _did_ put the weight directly 
>on the rear suspension

I wonder where F1 got their ideas from?

Dan Jones
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From: lls@kings.demon.co.uk (Lady Lodge Systems)
Subject: Re: Senna and braking
Organization: Lady Lodge Systems
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:29:13 GMT

In article <BxGrIM.DMD@acsu.buffalo.edu> fleck@acsu.buffalo.edu (richard j fleck) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.154332.16117@hubcap.clemson.edu> andy@poe.cs.clemson.edu (Andrew J. Greenshields N3IGS) writes:
>
>>  When I watched the incident on replay, it is clear that Senna is going
>>sideways when he hit Mansell.  It looks very much like he was trying
>>to avoid a collision. 
>
>In the replays I saw, it looked like Mansell slowed suddenly when Senna
>expected him to be going deeper into the corner.  Senna was caught and 
>then had to jump on the binders causing him to slew sideways into the
>back of Mansell.  

It might be worth bearing in mind the consistent failure mode of the
Williams Renault's this year. Patrese stopped with engine failure, Mansell
was going a lot slower than Senna expected - Does this add up?
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From: madmax@maths.tcd.ie (Mark Taylor)
Subject: Ole Modena! Jordan
Summary: at last
Keywords: hurrah
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:19:25 GMT


	Hurrah, Jordan finally did it! In the points at last! Though 
trust Modena to come into form in the last two races. I wonder if
it will be his last GP. Eddie has signed Rubens Barrichello  for
next year. He came 3rd in the F3000 champ this year. Apparently 
he has lots of money! I wonder who will get the second seat. 
Gugelmin is more a taxi driver than a racer, so I presume he will
be replaced. Interesting to see how poorly he and Capelli performed
this year, seems the Leyton House was a very good car. 

	In case you haven't heard, Eddie has Brian Harts V10 for
next year. At the moment it is an exclusive deal but McLaren have been
trying to make some deal that they will also be supplied. (implying
that it is a good engine?). 

	It feels good to be Irish today !!

Mark

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From: olin@vger.cheme.cornell.edu (Steve Thompson)
Subject: Re: Schumacher for 1993 champion?
Reply-To: olin@vger.cheme.cornell.edu
Organization: Chemical Engineering, Cornell University, NY
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:45:37 GMT

In article <BxMCCy.653@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, dp54@mc4adm.UWaterloo.ca (Rob Silcher) writes:
>In article <BxKIG9.4r9@fang.att.com> agwiii@fang.att.com (Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92)) writes:
>>Ryan T. Wood writes:
>>>
>>>Don't forget about the Ferrari's.  New team manager and new design.  They'll 
>>>be ready!!  <I hope and pray that they'll be ready!!>
>>>
>>>                                   /  \
>>>                      |============================|
>>>                      |============================|
>>>                      |         /   []   \         |
>>>          __________  |=============[]=============|  __________
>>>         /          \ | ____/_______[]_______\____ | /          \
>>>         |          |  /_____/~~~~~~[]~~~~~~\_____\  |          |
>>>         |          |********|  Ferrari F1  |********|          |
>>>         |          |********|_____    _____|********|          |
>>>         |          | _|_____/@@ @@\__/@@ @@\_____|_ |          |
>>>         \__________/                                \__________/
>>>   ~`'~~`~~~~'~~~'~~`~~'~`~~~`~~`'~~'~~`~~`'~'`~`~'~~`~~~`~~`~~`~~~`~~
>>>               Yes, I'm still a devoted Ferrari F1 fan!!!
>>>
>>-- 
>
>Hey, I wan't to know - are those '92 spec tires or '93?
>
>Rob

Nah - those are "Fiorano specials".



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From: thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle)
Subject: Re: Drivers' Championships and technology (was: Aus GP Stuff)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:48:29 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <1992Nov11.015014.19547@wes.on.ca> tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen) writes:
>
>    1. Nothing.  This is what FISA does now, and we've seen what the
>       effects are.  Not a disaster, but prone to domination, and VERY
>       prone to VERY large development budgets.

Personally I don't mind one team dominating - it means the other teams
have to try a lot harder to catch up.

What's important to me is that it shouldn't always be the same team
dominating. McLaren looked unbeatable for years - but didn't really
have a hope this year.

Let's look at the long term...
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From: cweber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher D Weber)
Subject: Re: Nissan and IMSA
Organization: The Ohio State University
     While I agree with Nissan's decision on the basis of getting more 
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:14:49 GMT

     I really hope that Nissan and NPTI aren't expecting to get very far in the
first or even second year.  New manufacturers usually have trouble in the 
Indycar series, and I expect Nissan to also.  If they can put together a win in
the series, or even a move for the championship in a few years, wouldn't that 
be a coup.

     As for IMSA, I would expect the GTP series to fizzle in a few years due to
flagging grid sizes.  I'm intrigued by Mazda's pullout.  They were so fond of 
bragging about how heir RX-7 was a better race car than the various 911s that 
raced in IMSA over the years (they didn't count the 935's wins).  Mazda got a 
rude awakening this year when their cars weren't as successful as they had 
expected.  I guess you can't just walk in and dominate anymore...

C.Weber
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