From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Breeders' list
Date: 8 Jan 93 02:06:50 GMT
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA

HERP WHOLESALERS/BREEDERS/SUPPLIERS:  last update 9/4/92

   Following is the list in alphabetical order of herp wholesalers/
breeders/suppliers and some basic information on ordering and shipping
live animals.  The userid or name of the person who made the comments
is included.  Appended to the end of this file is a list of breeders
that was posted to HerpNet.  Unfortunately, the author of the list
wasn't listed and the breeder's/supplier's phone numbers were left out.

   If you have experience with a company (whether listed or not) and
would like to share your experience, please send me email.  If
possible, include the address and number of the company.  Remember,
this is an international network, so companies that only serve a local
community would not be appropriate.  If you have any connection to the
place beyond being a customer, please state it.  I am also interested
in hearing about other's experiences with shipping (rough estimate of
prices) and what else should be mentioned under the shipping section at
the end of this file.

		                          Pete


	Breeders/Wholesalers:
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Bob Clark
12316 Val Verde Dr., Oklahoma City, OK 73142 (405)749-0797 fax (405)749-0798
specialize in pythons.  He was the first to breed albino burmese (python m.
bivittatus) and albino ball pythons (python regius). (V105MAHS@UBVMS.BITNET)
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Crutchfield's Reptile Enterprises
P.O. Box 1145, Bushnell FL 33513 (904)568-1830 fax (904)568-1832
MANY types of venomous snakes, unusual reptiles not often seen on other
lists (like Angolan python, 9 species of crocodiles!) Also a large
selection of non-venomous snakes, geckos, turtles, and tortoises.) List
is comprised of 6 legal size pages of reptiles, amphibians, books, and
supplies. (Mark Miller from Herpnet)
My uncle bought Ball Pythons (P. regius) from them, and they were clean;
his son bought one which had a few ticks.  They're all quite healthy, unlike
the Ball I got from a pet store...  (RJOHNSON@SHELL.COM)
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Glades Herp, Inc.
PO Box 3207, N. Ft. Meyers, FL 33918 (813)543-6100 fax (813)543-7480
Carry a large selection of animals, mostly captive bred.  High quality Animals.
Prices are a little higher than average. (V105MAHS@UBVMS.BITNET)
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Gulf Coast Reptiles
12710-2 McGregor Blvd., Ft. Meyers, FL 33919 (813)433-5525 fax (813)433-3156
Decent selection, good prices.  Many animals are wild caught, not captive
bred.  Because of the high numbers of imported animals, animals sometimes 
carry parasites (V105MAHS@UBVMS.BITNET)

Mark S. Bell, P.O. Box 26039, Fraser, Michigan 48026.  (313) 792-0319
Hatchlings guaranteed healthy, feeding, and properly sexed.  If not
satisfied, animals replaced or money refunded up to 48 hours from time of
arrival.

Scott J. Michaels, DVM, P.O. Box 657, Island Lake, IL 60042-0657.
(815) 363-0290.  Sex determination guaranteed, 30 day health guarantee.

Brian Robenhorst
Reptile Emporium
7126 Calumet Avenue
Hammond, IN 46324
business (219) 933-6618
home (219) 933-6611
Colubrid and boid snakes.

        Food Items:
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Lam Distributing
PO Box 407, Rusk, TX 75785 (903)683-5212
Good prices on all size mice. (V105MAHS@UBVMS.BITNET)
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RANPRO
PO Box 421115, Del Rio, TX 78842-1115 (512)774-4353
Good prices on all size mice. (V105MAHS@UBVMS.BITNET)


	Supplies: (note - many breeders carry full lines of supplies)
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Bush Herpetological Supply
4869 S. Bradley Rd., Ste 18B-180, Santa Marina, CA 93455 (800)676-4809 or
(805)937-2909
Carry a complete line of herp equipment, supplies, medicines, books, etc.
They seem very helpful and the 800 number is a big plus
(V105MAHS@UBVMS.BITNET)
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Mark Silver Productions
PO Box 15731, Seattle, WA 98115-0731 (206)527-0135
Sell videotapes of International Herpetological Symposium.  Cover a variety
of subjects (V105MAHS@UBVMS.BITNET)
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Valentine Equipment Company
7510 S. Madison St., Willowbrook, IL 60522 (312)323-7070 fax (708)323-7076
Carry a complete line of equipment, supplies, medicines, books, etc. 
(V105MAHS@UBVMS.BITNET)


	------A list of breeders from HerpNet------
     The following is a list of a few snake breeders.  These guys are
all individuals that the zoo (or me personally) has done business
with.  I can personally vouch for them.  They usually get their lists
done around mid-March, so hold off until then before contacting them.
Typically, the procedure is to write a brief note requesting a list
and INCLUDE A SASE. (author unknown - from HerpNet BBS)

Bill Gillingham, 555 Vista Rio Court, Woodbridge, CA, 95258
Breeder of Lampropeltis (Kings and milk snakes)
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Joe E. Pierce, HCO2-BX25012-9614, Alturas, CA, 96101
Breeder of Boa constrictor ssp. and Pythons
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Rich Zuchowski, 3680 Double Rock Lane, Baltimore, MD, 21234
Breeds designer Corn Snakes, Indigos, Kings
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Michael Walz, 1525 Shipman Street, Bethlehem, PA, 18018
Breeds mostly colubrids, some boids
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Larry Keller P.O. Box 267, Sidney, IL, 61877
Breeder of colubrids
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Ed Lukacevic, 7838 Riverview Road, Catlettsburg, KY, 41129
Breeds boids and fancy colubrids
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Robert Applegate, 1762 Pepper Villa, El Cajon, CA, 92021
Breeds mostly Lampropeltis
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Scott Michaels, 403 E. California Ave., Urbana, IL, 61081
Boids and colubrids
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Steve Fluty, 6920 W. 72 Terrace, Overland Park, KS, 66204
Breeds mexicana, alterna, pyros, triangulum
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Tom Taylor, 1433 West Huntington Dr., Tempe, AZ, 85282
Breeds stuff you don't see every day (Charina, etc.)
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John Meltzer, Box 3695, Minneapolis, MN, 55403
Breeder and broker of captive bred snakes
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Brian Sharp, P.O. Box 123, Catharpin, VA, 22018
Breeds EXPENSIVE rare boids
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Steve Hammack, 3114 Westcliff Road West, Fort Worth, TX, 76109
One of the largest private collections in the US 
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Vince Scheidt, 6218 Syracuse Lane, San Diego, CA, 92122
Huge selection. This guy has a gigantic collection!
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Gary Sipperley, P.O. Box 19972, San Diego, CA, 92119
Another mega-breeder 
(note - the Co name is San Diego Reptile Breeders 619-460-8174)
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Terry Vanderventer, 1016 Andover Street, Clinton, MS, 39056
Breeds mostly colubrids
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Steve Hammond, 12319 Steedland Drive, Louisville, KY, 40229
Breeder of exceptional boids!!!
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Lloyd and Sunnie Lemke, 25947 Road 140, Visalia, CA 93277
good selection of boids and colubrids, carries some other herps


	Info on Ordering/Shipping Live Animals:
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   Herp keepers can save quite a bit of money by purchasing animals
directly from breeders.  Unfortunately, few of us are lucky enough to
have breeders within an easy drive of our collections.  This means that
we must find a way to ship any animals that we purchase.

   Most animals can not be shipped by standard carriers (UPS, Fed Ex,
US Mail, etc.), but must be shipped Air Freight (though there are
exceptions - I've seen some feeder animals such as anoles and crickets
shipped by mail).  Air Freight is basically the process of shipping a
package via an airline from airport to airport.  When you order herps,
you need only be concerned with receiving the animals.  Most breeders/
wholesalers ship 'Air Freight Collect.'  This means that you pay for
the shipping when you pick the animals up at the airport.  This has the
disadvantage of being a separate charge from the price of the animals,
but also has the advantage of keeping you from being overcharged on
shipping (some non-herp companies make a profit off of shipping costs).

   Shipping costs will vary by the size and weight of the box, origin,
destination, and the carrier that it is being shipped on.  That being
said, I have found that shipping costs from Florida to New York ranged
from $35 to $40 per box.  There seems to be some leeway on the weight
of the box - the same shipping cost would cover one small snake or a
couple dozen medium ones.

   Most wholesalers/breeders provide guarantees on the quality of
animals.  By purchasing from a reputable dealer, you should be assured
of the quality.  Make sure you read the fine print - some guarantees
can become void if the package is shipped at low temperatures or if it
is not picked up within a certain amount of time from the arrival at
the airport.

   The basic procedure for ordering and shipping animals runs something
like this:
  1) place order for animals - the firm is going to need to know what
airport to ship the package to.  After the order is placed and paid
for, they should give you an air way bill number, commonly called an 
"away bill" and the approximate time the package will get there.  The 
away bill number is used by the airline to track where the package is.
  2) on the day the animals are supposed to be shipped, call the air
freight section of the appropriate airline and inquire about when the
package will arrive.  Have your away bill number ready, though I've
found that the shippers know when planes come in so they usually just
ask where the package is originating from and tellvyou based on
that info. 
  3) at the appropriate time, pay for the shipping and pick up the
package.  Similar to anything else that is shipped, inspect it.  If
their are signs of damage on the outside, complain to the shipper (and,
possibly, do not accept the package).  If the animals are damaged at
all, contact the wholesaler/breeder ASAP.
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