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From: masys@nlm.nih.gov (Dr. Daniel R. Masys)
Subject: Re: Taking mountain biking to new heights
Organization: National Library of Medicine
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 15:51:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.164458.22649@peck.com> aviator@athena.mit.edu (Joakim Karlsson) writes:
> What are the best places (in New England) for off-road
>biking in the vicinity of an airport?
>
We have had great family bike trips with the folding bikes at:
- Martha's Vineyard
- Nantucket (both very flat)
- Provincetown (nice beachfront park with bike paths surrounding airport)
- Chatham (ride over to the lighthouse & beaches)
- Block Island, RI (grand old brick lighthouse on the SW corner of the
                    island)
- Ocean City, NJ (4 mile boardwalk with bike lanes)...that's Southern
                  New England, isn't it? :-))

Dan Masys
masys@nlm.nih.gov
From: ksz@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (kenneth.zaldo)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: mtb'ing on Appalachian trail - kosher?
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:05:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct14.200854.21680@vicorp.com> chaz@vicorp.com (Charlie Hileman) writes:
>Is mt biking permitted on the Appalachian trail?  (Personally, I doubt
>it, but thought it would be worth asking).  Perhaps the rules vary
>according to the state or area?
>
I talked to my brother-in-law who lives near the trail in VT.  He talked to
the forest service (?) for NY and VT in Rutland and was told that biking on
any marked hiking trails is not allowed.  They were however, experimenting
with allowing biking on some trails.  If the impact is only minor, they may
open up more (or all) trails to mountain biking.

Ken Z.
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From: jderagon@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Deragon)
Subject: MTB Rides in Upstate NY
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 00:26:50 GMT



        Hi,

        I was wondering if anyone can recommend any good intermediate
moutain biking trails in NY State.  I would like someplace that would
be somewhat close to NYC (within 3-4 hour drive), and has a good selection
of possible trails.

        Someone mentioned Mohawk, but I have no other information.
I have been to Bear Moutain, and seen a few trails, but never anyone
biking on it.

        Any information will be greatly appreciated.


        Thanks.  JOhn




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big it is.   I mean, you  may think it's a long  way down the road to the
drug store, but that's just peanuts to space.
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From: mattf@cac.washington.edu (Matthew Freedman)
Subject: Re: Where to ride near Seattle
Organization: U.W. Information Systems
Distribution: pnw
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:28:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.045446.21434@u.washington.edu>, davin@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Veale) writes:
> 
> I've had a mountain bike in Seattle for the last couple years, and have
> gone on some really cool rides, but I'm interested in hearing about other
> places that people are riding at.  Any good trails east of the mountains,
> or in the foothills on the west side, etc?

I can tell you where not to go -- I just went to one of my favorite
spots this Saturday -- the 7-mile single track between Wallace Lake
and Wallace Falls State Park, and discovered that is in the process of
being logged. The trail is marked as closed, and according to the
ranger, there is downed lumber all over it, making it almost
impassable even on foot. They are actually in the process of turning
the trail back into a logging road.

So a beautiful 7 mile stretch of single track through one of the
nicest second growth forests around is being turned into yet another
logging road through a clear-cut. 

	-- Matt

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From: selvin@nynexst.com (Al Selvin)
Subject: Re: Tandem syndrome strikes again
Reply-To: selvin@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 13:45:13 GMT

I have a somewhat different instance of this. A few years ago, my (late)
father, who was blind, ordered a "side-by-side" kit which attached
the frames and steering mechanisms of two bikes. It created a four-
wheeled bike mobile, and was ideal for a blind rider and sighted companion,
because I could turn the handlebars and the front wheels of both bikes
would turn together.

We put the thing together in a couple of hours of swearing frustration
(on my part) in my apartment in St. Louis, then took it out for a test
ride in nearby Forest Park. We had a great time cruising around the
bike trail there, laughing and having fun (since he became blind when I
was about 7, we had never biked together before). 

At one point, I noticed that the uphills were getting more and more
difficult. I turned to look at him and he was smiling beatifically,
coasting along without turning the cranks. I said "Why aren't you
pedaling?!"  He replied, "We were rolling along so well I thought we
were going downhill!" Since he couldn't see, he had no way of knowing
what the grade was.  After that I supplemented my efforts with
injunctions to him to pedal, much like warning him about curbs and
stairs when we walked together.

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From: edm@tahoe.asd.sgi.com (Ed Miszkiewicz)
Subject: Klein Frame For Sale
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:55:59 GMT


        KLEIN QUANTIM FRAME FOR SALE
        ----------------------------

55 cm (Klein's measurement), brand new, unpainted,
comes with aluminum fork, bottom bracket,
will ship $400.00 + shipping
call Ed Miszkiewicz (415)390-1076
From: dbrus.Unify.Com.jenny@unify.uucp (Jennifer Zheng)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Wandervogel and Death Valley by Moonlight
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:15:45 GMT
Reply-To: dbrus.Unify.Com.jenny@unify.uucp (Jennifer Zheng)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Unify Corporation, Sacramento, CA, USA

Hi, here's more info on the ride, since a few people asked (actually,
I lost some of their addresses ;-).

Date. 14 November.
Time. 2pm for 134 miles, 3pm for 75 miler.
Start. Shoshone, CA
Finish. Furnace Creek for 75 miler, Shoshone for 134 miler.
Transportation. Your own.
Car pool. 2 weeks before the ride they'll provide you a list (yah!)
Fee. $35 for 75 miler, $42 for 134 miler.
Other. No private SAGs.  No bad attitude.  Need volunteers (encourage
	families and discourage singles -- just kidding).  No wimps
	or whiners.  Weather unpredictable but rain unlikely.

The address on the flyer is:
	Wandervogel's Death Valley by Moonlight
	466 N. Orange #257
	Redlands, CA 92374

I didn't find any name or phone # on the ride flyer.

From Wandervogel's calendar, I found the following:
	Sept-Nov, Death Valley by Moonlight.  ... 3 rest stops,
	limited SAG/support.  Fee approx $50.  Limit 100 riders.
	Hugh Murphy, 714-961-8352.

I'm not 100% sure, but I *think* this is the same ride.

Examples of Wandervogel events:
	Mojave by Moonlite,
	Death Valley Double (9000', 2 stop signs),
	Tour of Two Forests (217 mi, 10000'+2000'),
	Sherman Pass Challange (150 mi, 13000'),
	Great California Land Rush (SF to LA in 2 days),
	and more...
	(most of the rides limit the fields to a very small number)
They sponsor an International Randonneurs Brevets too.

Now the most important bit: does anybody know of a club (or even
informal group) that are somewhat like Wandervogel folks, up in
northern CA???  I'll be eternally grateful for any pointer (yes 
eternally).

Pedal on,
jen
B. Jennifer Zheng	Ride your bike; eat your vegetables.		    //
Another day, another century.                    ---  __~o      ~o 	  //
jenny@unify.com 	(916) 649-3576        ----   _`\<,      <|\	//
3/15 down, 27/5 to go!                          --- ( )/( )     / >   //
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From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Subject: Re: Advice sought for Bay Area easy MTB rides
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 17:28:55 GMT

|> I'm ready to try out some easy off-road trails in the Bay Area.  Any
|> recommendations on trails, maps, books would be appreciated.

There are several easy dirt roads in the Arastradero Preserve behind
Stanford.  Pick up free maps at the trail head in the parking lot.

Upper Alpine Road is a little steeper, but wide and mostly smooth.  It
also ties in to the dirt road network along Skyline Blvd.

There is a new mountain biking map of the Bay Area available in bike
shops.  It lists legal routes, with info on hills, distances,
connections, scenery, etc.  Check it out.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
From: JForester@cup.portal.com (John - Forester)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Dangerous trench near Lake Tahoe
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 08:36:41 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na

           DANGEROUS TRENCH IN CAL HWY 89 NEAR LAKE TAHOE

   A drainage trench in the road surface of California highway 89
between Tahoe City and Truckee has caught a front wheel and thrown
the cyclist, injuring him. 

   The location is on the northbound side north of Alpine Meadows
Road and south of the bridge across the Truckee River. There is a
retaining wall on the right. Starting before the retaining wall and
running for several hundred feet, a 2-inch-wide drainage slot several
inches deep runs in the shoulder parallel to the road about 2 feet
from the edge stripe. That is just about where one would normally
ride. The slot has crossbars about 8" apart, but the gaps between the
bars are still long enough grab a wheel.

   Does anybody know of other accidents caused by this slot?

JForester@cup.portal.com               John Forester
                                       726 Madrone Ave
408-734-9426                           Sunnyvale CA 94086 USA
From: megam@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Davis double century
Keywords: Advice on riding it wanted
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 12:36:29 PDT
Reply-To: megam@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
Distribution: usa


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From: rick@claris.com (Rick Boarman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Taking mountain biking to new heights
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:46:20 GMT
Organization: Claris Corporation, Santa Clara CA

I hear Yakima is going to make a line of wing mounted
bike racks for most popular airplanes. :)

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* Claris Corp.   *   Internet:  rick@claris.com
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Opinions are mine alone and do not reflect Claris policy.
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From: puc@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov (Bernard Puc)
Subject: Re: Aus Bike/Commutin' (not shootin')
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA/GSFC-Laboratory for Astronomy and Solar Physics
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:09:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.134751.1@registry.adelaide.edu.au>, poplan@registry.adelaide.edu.au writes...
> 
>you people would be nice to have over for a barbie. What about it, next 
>Sunday OK. Lemme know?
>Michael J

	And I'll bring the Foster's :-)

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In rec.bicycles.rides, sacks@spartan.mv.us.adobe.com (Joel Sacks) writes:

    I'm interested in doing some bike touring in Mendocino county in the
    next few weeks, and was wondering if anyone had any experience in
    that area.  

I've ridden most of the roads on your list.  
    
    We'll be biking for just a few days, and were looking at
    roads like Comptche-Ukiah, 

I've ridden the section from Comptche to the coast.  The section from
Comptche to Ukiah shows as a gravel road on my map.  The section from
Comptche to the coast has a pretty good size climb.  Most of the climb
was through a redwood forest.  The top is a big mesa that is much more
open.  Like many other areas on that section of the coast, the flat tops
on these mesas allow a hardpan to form which results in all the trees
being dwarf.  Giants to dwarfs in only a few miles.  Near the coast
there is a pretty good sized airstrip.  It has one of the longest
runways on the north coast and ends up attracting many Hollywood types that 
fly their jets up for lunch in the yuppie restaurants down in Mendocino.
The road descended pretty steeply to the coast.
    
    Slynn Creek, 

I assume this must be Flynn Creek.
I remember a hill in this road but nothing very big.  Maybe a 500 foot
climb to the highest point.  The road was in good shape and had little
traffic.  There is a small factory near the top that makes dental 
laboratory equipment.  Not exactly what you'd expect to find way up there.
    
    Hwy 128 (from Philo to the ocean), 

This road runs along the south side of the Navarro river.  It is pretty
much flat and smooth but is very winding.  The floor of the canyon
along the river is filled with huge redwood trees.  The traffic can get pretty
heavy here later in the day.
    
    Philo Greenwood Rd and Cameron Rd.  

I've never ridden Cameron Road.  You miss the town of Elk (Alias
Greenwood) if you take it.  Let us know what it's like if you take it.
Philo Greenwood road was pretty hilly.  I remember 3 good sized hills.
It follows a ridgetop most of the way.  There might well be 3000 feet 
cumulative climbing on this section of road although I doubt it ever
climbs much above 1500 feet.  You get some views at the top
that are hard to beat.  Have your water bottles full and some extra
food.  There isn't much out there.  Everytime I've been on this road it 
was 90 degrees or warmer once I got away from the coast or out of the
Navarro river canyon.
    
    The topo map we have of
    the area is a little hard to read, and I can't tell whether there
    are any killer climbs.

Philo Greenwood starts bordering on killer in many peoples books.  If
there are any climbers looking for hills, you might want to try Mountain
View road which is a little further south.
    
    Fairy tales and horror stories welcome.

Remember that it's the harvest season up here, and I ain't talkin
about the grapes.  Don't go wanderin around in the woods away from the
roads unless you know who's land your on.  I think they just got the
fire chief in Comptche for the contents of his garden so the locals are a
little nervous about strangers.
From: ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen)
Subject: Re: Avocet Cyclometer
Organization: Motorola Panther Project, Chandler, AZ
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:57:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.115337.16612@bitrot.in-berlin.de> thomas@bitrot.in-berlin.de (Thomas Driemeyer) writes:
>In article <1apl2sINN7ir@overload.lbl.gov> chris@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll) writes:
>>Roger Marquis writes:
>>>Don't get me wrong, I think the Avocet design is the best (except for
>>>the buttons activating on _release_).
>>And the lack of an easy way to clear all functions at once.
>
>Just the opposite of Intel: good design, poor implementation. I have an
>Avocet 50, and it works fine except that it ejects the batteries when I
>drop it from just about any height, and it retains its state for about
>0.5 nanoseconds when one of the batteries falls out. I never managed to
>get the total distance over 2000 km. Batteries also last only 6 months
>(before replacement, half that). Time to heat up the glue gun again...
>
>Anyway, still the best bicycle computer I ever had. I especially like the
>coil sensor (as opposed to reed switches), and to be able to reset
>everything separately. Lots of little details done The Right Way, like
>the increment/decrement arrow for numerical setups. Except - no 24-hour
>clock in "metric" mode. Confusing.
>
>Thomas
>-- 
>
>--
>Thomas Driemeyer        thomas@bitrot.in-berlin.de        voice: +49 30 8924936

I like my Avocet 50 as well but it has a few drawbacks.

1) The stopwatch "rolls over" every two hours

2) on a recent ride three of us all with the same computer all got different
   altimeter totals

3)  They should put three (or four) items on the display at once like the
   performance computer ($50 dollars BTW).  I would like speed, cadence, AND
   trip distance.  They have have unused diplays for avg speed and max speed
   why couldn`t they add a digit to one of those and display trip dist as well.

-- 

>
Ron Feigen
ronf@panther.mot.com
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:23119 rec.bicycles.tech:1192
From: mike@pyrdc.UUCP (Mike Whitman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Avocet 50 altimeter stops working
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:23:21 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology, Government Systems

I have a Avocet 50 computer on my road bike that started to flake out yesterday
during a training ride. It showes that we did over 5000 ft of climbing in 40
miles. This wouldn't be so bad if I were in Colorado but this was along 
a converted rails-to-trails path that has a gain of 150 feet in the total
mileage that we rode. Is this a common occurance for the 50? I can send it back
to Avocet, but will it happen with the next one I get? Thanks for the info,
also has anyone seen the Avocet Altimeter watch yet? Is it the same as the
50? How much, where are they being sold, etc.

-- mike --

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,misc.kids
From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: 10 speed bikes
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:25:00 GMT

Hi all. I would like opinions on if a 10 speed bike is appropriate
for a 7 year old. She has outgrown her little bike, and is 
ready to move up to a 20 inch, and they come in one speed and
10 speed models. Thanks for your opinions!
                                   Patti Twigg
From: fwu@be.seas.upenn.edu (Frank I Wu)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: RE:  Need: Heart Rate Monitor Book
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:02:16 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

To: klinich@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Subject: Re: Need: heart rate monitor book
Newsgroups: rec.running,rec.bicycles,rec.sport.triathlon
Organization: University of Pennsylvania
Cc: 
Bcc: 


the author of TRAININNG, LACTATE, PULSERATE is Dr. Peter Janssen.  the publisher if a foreign company, POLAR, or 
something like that.  that's why you really can't find it and order it in most bookstores.  i know i wasn't able
to.  they are the makers of heart rate monitors.  

trying performance bicycles shop (mail order), i don't know their number off hand but you can find adds in 
BICYCLING MAGAZINE.  

i would recommend requesting a catalog from CREATIVE HEALTH PRODUCTS.  they're a company based in michigan.
they carry a selection of quality books on scientific training and rehabilitation.  likewise you and find
their number in the advertisement section of BICYCLING MAGAZINE.  if you haven't ordered a heart rate monitor
you might want to order it from them (guaranteed lowest price). 

CHP also carries other books... in particular, THE SCIENCE OF TRIATHLON TRAINING - seeing how you sent this
posting to rec.sport.triahlon.  SERIOUS TRAINING FOR SERIOUS ATHLETES is another book that also has information
on training with a heart rate monitor.  

hope this helps.
From: amiller@almaden.ibm.com (Alex Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: clipless pedal options
Date: 7 Oct 1992 17:03:43 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In <Bvr85q.M4r@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
  tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) about Time pedals:

> they don't make a mountain bike Time pedal which I think is a major sin
> in these days of Mountain Bike Dominance of the market.

Yes they do.  Your favorite Time dealer should have information on
the new Time TMT (Time Mountain Tech) pedals.  Personally, I didn't
think much of their mountain pedals.

Alex
amiller@almaden.ibm.com
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From: CMSC28@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mark Hickey)
Subject: Re: 84 performance of "aero" bars for mountain bikes
Organization: Motorola
Date: 14 Oct 1992 07:04:35 CDT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>I was wondering if anyone out there has had any experience with the sevral
>types of aero bars available for mountain bikes.  I'm more interested i their
>off road performance than flat riding performance.  Do they flex much ? Are
>the extra hand positions useable ?
>I am looking particularly at the Profile Durango XC and the Scott AT-4 nd AT-3.
>Any help would be apreciated.
>Thanks.
>Matt

Although I use my MT4-Pros mainly for commuting (where they are the
best thing since sliced bread...) I really like them off road also.
The "ends" are particularly useful for climbing, like bar ends, and
the many other positions are great when it gets flatter.  You will
have to get used to being that far away from the brake levers, though!
I would recommend the AT4-Pro over the AT4, though.  They offer some
really useful hand positions that you can actually use!  Any of the
"funny bars" work better with a bike that is a little shorter than
you might otherwise ride.  If your MTB is a little large, you will
feel too "stretched out" in the extended position.

Have fun!
Mark (on your left) Hickey
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From: walvdrk_r@research.ptt.nl (Kees van der Wal)
Subject: Re: Commuting in rain
Organization: PTT Research, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 08:14:09 GMT

In article <39351@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, miliu@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (zaphod beeblebrox)
writes: 

> Hello.  I was wondering, how do all you folks deal with commuting in
> the rain?  I've never done this, but am anticipating at least a few
> days of rain occasionally; enough to be prepared for.  A one way
> trip to classes is less than two miles.  I figure that I would get a
> good set of rainwear designed especially for cycling, and some Zefal
> clip-fenders.

For such a distance it's probably not worth while choosing fancy 'breathing' 
type of rainwear.

Apart from fenders I found that mounting a mud-flap on the front fender makes 
quite some difference in the amount of water and mud splashed over your shoes 
and chainrings. Choose a 'heavy' type that won't fold too easy in the wind and
gets stuck between the tyre and fender. 


>  What I haven't figured out was how to keep my feet
> and books dry.  Should I spray Scotch-Guard on my backpack?  Just
> wear an old pair of shoes that I wouldn't mind getting soaked?

Sticking your feet into plastic shopping bags does the job. A little more 
sophisticated is the rain boot. The simplest form is (again) a plastic bag in
the shape of a large sock pulled over the boot. Be prepared that plastic over
your shoes on a wet surface is a rather slippery combination. More sturdy ones
are made of flexible rubber. I prefer the simple type: lightweight and easy to
stow away. For commuting only they last about a year. As I hate wet feet I have
a spare pair of dry socks in my drawer, just in case. 

For backpacks, outdoor shops sell thin nylon covers that protects the bag from 
most of the water.

Have fun, <kees>
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