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From: adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Vader's motivation at Bespin
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:53:15 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Aug10.234347.4464@leland.Stanford.EDU> mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr) writes:
>In article <l8dutiINN6in@aludra.usc.edu> joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug10.231911.1671@leland.Stanford.EDU> mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr) writes:
>>>Boba Fett raises his blaster as if to fry him but 
>>>Vader stops him.  Any opinions as to why?  (Besides the fact that they want to
>>>keep Chewie alive for the rest of the trilogy.)

Vader wanted his prisoners alive.  He made that clear enough on several
occasions, my favourite being on his Star Destroyer when he looked pointedly
(or at least, as pointedly as possible in a mask :-) at Fett and said "No
disintegrations!"

I also wonder if, at the same time as he was affecting Luke and starting to
turn Luke to evil, perhaps the encounter was also starting to turn him to
good?  After all, Vader calmly executed Admiral Ozzel for not surprising
the Rebels on Hoth, as if you could surprise someone with decent sensors
that could scan the whole system.  He executed Captain Needa for losing
the Falcon.  Admiral Piett fully expected to get it in the neck for much
the same crime; yet he survived.

> ...							besides, if 
>they were typical stormtroopers they probably could shoot until they were
>out of ammo and not hit anything.

O.K., one more time.  Stormtroopers can shoot straight.  They did well
enough on Leia's ship in ANH, and they did well enough against the
Rebels on Hoth in TESB.  They even managed to fry some Ewoks.  What
they can't do is hit the main heroes.

My theory is that they aren't allowed to hit anyone paid more than them.
They can shoot ordinary troops, but they can't shoot the stars of the films.
The one who hit Leia would have been in for a remote throttling except for
the fact that Vader and the Emperor were otherwise occupied.  Since Luke
had been in all three films, his actor had been paid more than the Emperor's,
which is why Vader threw the Emperor down the pit - the Emperor was not
allowed to kill Luke, as he was about to do.  And Chewbacca's actor was
undoubtedly paid more than Boba Fett's, having appeared in two films, which
is why Vader wouldn't let Fett shoot Chewie.
:-)

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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Falcon, X-Wings, etc. sets
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 23:55:07 GMT

In some of the ESB publications, they show a full scale model
of the Falcon being built from scratch.

But Star Wars had to have had one too, for the Mos Eisley scenes
and the Death Star -- no way those were mattes! -- so what happened
to the sets between SW and ESB!?

Were they destroyed? 

Was there a full-scale Falcon in RotJ? I can't think of any scenes where 
they need one....

Scott

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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: question + ROTJ FLAME
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 15:23:46 GMT


In a previous article, goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard) says:

>dweddin@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>
>>two questions:
>
>>1) how come darth vader can not be hurt by a blaster (ala Han Solo in 
>>ESB) but CAN be hurt by a light saber in ROTJ????  
>
>Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that the light saber was
>wielded by a Jedi, and the blaster was not.

I think it's two things.  1) the fact that it was a lightsaber at all,
and 2) the fact that he was trying to fight off an onslaught at the
time.  The Force takes concentration, and I think he was doing the 
best he could at the time not to get decapitated.

>>a) i was expecting a really evil Jabba the Hut that would be a worthy
>>fiend who would even scare han solo from across the galaxy.
>
>You have to give him credit, though.  He was not overcome by the Jedi
>mind tricks, he managed to get Leia, Luke, Chewie, and Han in his
>custody at least briefly, and if you subscribe to other sources, he
>did have a stranglehold on illicit trading, or "business" (whatever)
>over quite a large area.
>
>>instead, we get a pathetic giant slug who gets strangled in the most
>>boring fight scene in any movies...capped off with the pathetic death
>>of the best villan this side of darth vader, boba fett!!!
>
>I agree completely with you on this -- choking such a large creature
>would take a helluva lot of strength, a lot more than Leia could
>muster (unless it was her Jedi powers shining through!!!!!)  Just
>try to strangle, say a hippo, with just your weight as leverage.

I don't know about that.  Think about tring to strangle a hippo while
it was about to stomp on your child.  Adrenaline is a wonderful thing.
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From: darkstar@pecan.cns.udel.edu (The Janitor Of Anarchy)
Subject: Re: Episodes 7,8, & 9 or just a marketing ploy?
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Summary: What's Been Said?
Keywords: great with kids, great with computers, great with women,
Organization: The Green Circle Of Vengence
Distribution: galaxy
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:19:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.135721.20961@athena.mit.edu> ithron@athena.mit.edu (Arthur Lue) writes:
>
>I'm new here so I don't know if this issue has been addressed.
>
>The new book trilogy coming out (so far _Heir to the Empire_ and _Dark Force
>Rising_) has been authorized by Lucasfilm so I presume it's legitimate.  However,
>does this new trilogy constitute Episodes 7, 8 and 9 of the _Star Wars_ cycle?
>
>I had presumed so until I started reading the articles on this listing.  However,
>I haven't been able to spot any references to these books.  In any case, there are
>several things that suggest that they are not the last three movies.  First of
>all, the novels are set only five years after ROTJ and it contains ALL the
>characters that were there at the end of that movie...which seems to be
>inconsistent with what the third trilogy was said to be about (according to
>Lucas' biography [_Skywalking_, I believe] at least).
>
>In any case, can someone clarify this for me.  And also, what solid or tenuous
>information exists on the plot structure of the first and last trilogies?
>
>
>
>Tanx.


First of all, yes the Zahn novels are authorized by Lucasarts, but as
has been said before by Lucasarts, the novels are not, repeat, are not
episodes 7, 8, and 9.  

Also, as far as a solid plot structure for the first and last trilogies,
only George Lucas knows for sure what's going to happen!!!


	--Jerry


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From: gt0754b@prism.gatech.EDU (John Richard Deyonke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Falcon, X-Wings, etc. sets
Keywords: Full Scale Falcon
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:01:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <iNHqPB3w164w@ailanth.UUCP> tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver) writes:
>sl6wv@cc.usu.edu writes:
>
>I was reading parts of The Making of Return of the Jedi, and they 
>mentioned that the full-size Falcon they were using was built for Empire. 
>This would seem to confirm that the original was destroyed or lost. 
>According to the book, the full sized model (used in the first scene of 
>Jedi that was filmed anda scene that would later be dropped from the 
>final cut) was sent to a scrapyard after it was used. Here is the direct 
>quote from the book: "So the full-size version, which had defied the 
>Empire for so long, would now shortly end up in the scrapyard." Guess 
>they just threw the sucker away.

  If I remember correctly, Lucas didn't have the cash to build a full scale
Falcon for ANH.  So with some special effects trickery, the Falcon is 
added in in its full size shots for ANH.  The only part which was built
was the ramp area to the Falcon (Maybe 30% of the ship max) All you
ever see is this outer part of the MF with the actors in it.  Also, the
Docking Bay 94 scene with your first look of the MF was a special effect
 to add the Falcon to
an empty stage.  I recall this being discussed in one of the "Making of"
videos.  So for TESB Lucas went ahead and built the entire MF after
the 30% or so ANH model was lost by fire.  My trusty video tapes and
books of SW reference have been stolen by my brother so I'd appreciate
any input which can confirm, deny or make corrections to all this.
Thanks.


Jay

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From: hamlet@zeus.tamu.edu (Rosencrantz & Guildinstern are dead!)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Question about Imperial Officers
Summary: What're those little metal things...?
Keywords: Little metal things
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:55:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <joshm.713633443@crash>, joshm@crash.cts.com (Josh Mercer) writes...
>I've long wondered (well, not LONG, but) what the small metal cylindrical 
>objects that Imperial officers carry in small pockets (it seems) next to
>their rank insignias?  They look like they could be about the size of thick
>felt-tip pens, though colored chrome.  Any ideas?

Elementary, my dear Watson, they were comlinks. In modern speak that is
walkie-talkie-like thing.
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: STAR WARS RADIO SHOW
Date: 13 Aug 92 08:02:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Aug13.010256.569
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

Since there is so much of the radio show being mentioned lately, I would
like to know if anyone has it on tape, or where it could be obtained? I
would like to hear it...

Dave
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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: New Star Wars Movies?
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 22:20:32 GMT


In a previous article, scottg@amiganet.chi.il.us (Scott Gittlitz) says:

>NOTE: Just in case you didn't realize Capt. Antilles is Wedges dad.  The reason
>why Wedge survived all the battle with Luke is he will play an important role
>in the final three films.
>

I knew there had to be a reason ... why do I feel a "Battlestar Galactica"
coming on ...?

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Organization: The Pennylvania State University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:29:49 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: New Star Wars Movies?
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In article <Bsvzrz.Gn7@news.larc.nasa.gov>, avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee) says:
>
>i keep reading about a 20 year differenece. arent luke and leia older
>than 20? so if that is the gap between films, i assume a.skywalker is
>already vader or very close to becoming him.

True.  Episode 3 will probably cover the Vader transformation and the young
Skywalkers, so an Episode 1 and 2 would happen far enough ahead to see Vader
as a trainee and maybe even a different evil, such as the Corporate Sector
or the Clone Wars themselves (the latter in most probable).

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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Whatever happened to Hammil?!
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 00:00:43 GMT

Okay, Carrie Fisher has managed to stay in the public's eye
with acting and writing. Harrison Ford is the best actor
in Hollywood now. The guy who did Vader's voice shows up 
everywhere.

But what happened to Mark Hammil!? He was on the Muppets once, but
what else has he done? Is he directing now or something?
Retired? Converted to Islam? :)

He was the *star*, argueably, after all. :)

Scott

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From: toten@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (Derek Toten)
Subject: Re: Bubba Fett
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-26884]: bourbon
Organization: E.E. Dept., Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:24:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.182809.26747@access.usask.ca> julie@skatter.usask.ca writes:
>
>	Okay, maybe you folks can clear something up for me...
>
>	Fett is an expressionless armored character with almost no lines and 
>a single good guess that allowed him to follow the Falcon in ESB.  How did such
>a non-character get such a large following?  Is there something I missed?  Just
>wondering...
>
>
	Remember back during the christmas of '77?  The Star Wars merchandising
phenonenom took everybody by suprise.  Kenner couldn't even begin to fill all
the orders for the merchandise, particularly the figures.  Consequently,
many kids found toy certificates (read IOU's) rather than real toys under 
their tree that season (not me, for some reason I was never much into them).
Pretty neat save by Kenner.  It would have been better to have the actual toy,
but the mail in certificates turned out to be status symbols in themselves 
(in so far as 8 and 10 year olds can HAVE status symbols...).
	Anyway, to get to the point, Kenner at the same time released the
Boba Fett charecter as a sort of free incentive if you bought 'x' amount
of merchandise.  It was also tied in to the certificates somehow.  This was
WELL before TESB was released, announced and barely even conceived of.
All we poor slobs knew was that there WOULD be a sequal and it would 
include some character called Boba Fett that WE knew as a figure before
we ever even saw the flesh and blood character.  Entire myths and legends
were built up around this mysterious character in the few years between
ANH and TESB.  A lot of people had great expectations for him.  I was 
barely involved in any of this and was in high school at the time TESB
was released, but I was still thirlled to finally see him in action.  
Just imagine all these now grown up kids' dissapointment when he was
simply cast aside as appitizer for a ridiculous monster (the burp was
a real insult).
	So, the short answer:  He was a really neat toy (start of the
mystique) that became an ominous character (continuation of what the
toy started) that was disposed of fairly ignobly.


					-Derek


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From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Luke changing his name -- just a thought
Date: 14 Aug 1992 10:14:09 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1992Aug14.165118.21323@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein) writes:
>
>
>When was the first time we heard Luke refer to himself as "Luke
>Skywalker?" I know that's a strange question, but the comment of
>"Wormie Lars" got me thinking.
 [etc. etc]
>Wait a minute ... did he introduce himself by full name to the
>droids?

Hmmmmmm....

It went:
3PO:"..I see sir."
Luke:"No, you can call be Luke."
3PO:"I see sir Luke."
Luke:"No just Luke."

Very interesting indeed....
-- 
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From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Wondering about Splinter of...
Date: 12 Aug 1992 09:43:04 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <71124@apple.Apple.COM> talcott@Apple.COM (Adam Talcott) writes:
>
>The torture robot (with the needle) that we see entering Leia's cell in
>"Star Wars" is used to inject Leia with some sort of drug that forces her to
>experience whatever physical or mental pain Vader describes.  For example,
>towards the end of the scene, Vader tells Leia that her body is being consumed
>by fire and Leia actually feels pain consistent with this.

This scene WAS awsome. What I thought was pretty interesting was that
Vader says something like,  "Where is the rebel base? Your father wants to 
know. Leia, this is your father, where is the rebel base?"

Thought that  was pretty interesting. Wonder if Brian Daley suspected and
family relationship there?



-- 
Josh Ling   
Trilogist Extrodinaire     
joshuali@usc.edu 

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From: jfol@carina.unm.edu (joshua l follicks-shields)
Subject: Re: Wondering about Splinter of...
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 01:28:15 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Aug11.234949.548@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_cartheybr@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>I'm in the process of re, re, re, re-reading Splinter of the Mind's Eye and
>a few questions came to mind.  What exactly did they do in torturing Leia,
>during ANH, on the Death Star?  Is there a standard torture procedure that the
>Imperials follow or is it whatever torture comes to their twisted minds next?
>Also, how does the this story deviate from the trilogy/canon?  In TESB, it never
>says that this was the first time that Luke meets Vader, is it??
>Just wondering!!
>                                  __________________________________________

   You may have forgotten the round floating torture droid floating
into Leia's cell with a syringe. As a student of Political Science
who has studied such woderful places as El Salvador, Guatemala,
and Viet Nam, just the thought of that scene gives me hebe jebes.
-- 
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From: chris@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Chris Wolf)
Subject: Re: Why ain't this FAQ been posted?
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 01:30:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug6.212844.3085@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>If Chris Wolf is no longer around or interested in this, I'll add it to
>my auto-FAQ-poster thing so it gets seen. Let me know his status if you
>know. 
>
>Subject: r.a.sf.starwas FAQ list v1.1
>From: chris@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Chris Wolf)
>Date: Fri, 1 May 1992 01:28:38 GMT
>LAST POSTED ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Thanks for posting this in my absence.  I'm back (and reading this group) 
again now.

						- Chris
>
>


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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Luke changing his name -- just a thought
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 16:51:18 GMT



When was the first time we heard Luke refer to himself as "Luke
Skywalker?" I know that's a strange question, but the comment of
"Wormie Lars" got me thinking.

If it's before he meets Ben, that's one thing, and I'll drop the
subject.  But if it's not until AFTERWARDS, (and the first timeI
can recall if "I'm Luke Skywalker, I'm here to rescue you.")  What
is the possibility that it was the conversation with Kenobi that
put him onto his real name?  Or maybe he knew it, but didn't use
it until the Lars were killed?

Wait a minute ... did he introduce himself by full name to the
droids?

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From: joshuali@usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Fett's existance before Empire
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:27:19 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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OK here one to think about....

What are the chances of Boba Fett originally being introduced in Star Wars?

I met this girl who said that her father had a reel of film from '77 that
was sent to people in the "business" for publicity. In this reel were
several scenes from Star Wars and several scenes that were dropped. Sorry,
guys, Biggs wasn't one of the scenes on her reel.  She said Leia was to 
have a British accent (There is a clip of Carrie Fisher doing it) but
later dropped. She's having it transfered to video so I haven't seen it
yet myself.
Anyway, she said that there was a longer scene in the cantina with 
bounty hunters...She said Boba Fett....I don't remember in what context
she said it though (I talked to her long distance).  The reason I'm
bringing this up is that it sparked my curosity of Fett's first appearance.

-He was first introduced in the SW Holiday Special in late '78.
-The action figure was released way before Empire came out. He was even
packaged on a STAR WARS card until the Empire figure line came out.

My question is:  Does anyone have early sketches of Fett with a date on it?
	I want to know when he was designed.  I'm just guessing that he
	could have been slated to appear in ANH for some reason and was
	later cut from the screenplay.

-joshuali@usc.edu
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From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Subject: Re: Threepio question
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:59:20 GMT

In article <Bt8nIv.I0r@acsu.buffalo.edu> micbrian@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (MAD MAX - THE ROAD WARRIOR) writes:
>At the very beginning of the movie, C3PO mentions during the battle that
>there will be no escape for the Princess this time.

>However, later in the film, when R2 first plays the hologram of Leia for
>Luke, 3PO says that he doesn't know who Leia is, only that she was a 
>passenger on his last voyage and a person of importance.

	He was probably lying, as Ben did...
		 Not to sheild Luke from the knowledge that Darth
Vader was his father, but to protect the rebellion.

For all he knew, Luke was an agent of the Empire.

All  IMHO




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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Question about Imperial Officers
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:07:30 GMT

Tire gauges?

Scott

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