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From: vhs@rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai)
Subject: Re: NT: please define vapor.
Reply-To: vhs@rhein-main.de
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 19:26:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.134715.3545@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>  
cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov (Robert F. Cahalan) writes:

[second-nesting-level-quote deleted]

> Steve,
> One of the differences between an environment like the NeXT and the old  
> GUIs like Mac and Windows is that more of the "desktop" does NOT go away  
> when you launch an application (or two, or three).  For example, as I  
> compose this posting, I can double-click any word and look it up in  
> Digital Webster, Oxford Quotations, or the Digital Librarian, all with a  
> quick keystroke or mouseclick or two.  Or if we're talking math I can type  
> something like  Factor[1-c^4], click "Evaluate to Plain Text" in the  
> Services menu, and get (1 - c)*(1 + c)*(1 + c^2).  Applications are  
> automatically launched as needed to perform these services.

[more deleted]

I know someone who calls stuff like this "Information at your fingertips (TM)".
His name is William Gates. Just once more, Steve Jobs is doing the great
tech stuff, delivers it to the end user, it *just works*, while that self-
proclaimed genius at MicroSloth is running around promising things he will
not implement before everyone else has it running.
The only, *only* thing this as*hole can do is sell.

Volker - "Not-impressed-by-big-numbers-of-sold-sh*t" - Herminghaus-Shirai

...feeling much better now ;-)
--
Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@rhein-main.de)

Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any
given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence.
See also: MS-DOS, Windows, IBM-PC, X, QWERTY,
          80x86, TrueType, Survival of the shittest.
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From: saj31052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scotty A Johnson)
Subject: Hardware specifications needed
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:05:52 GMT

I don't have a NeXT (yet), but I'm interested in documentation 
regarding the pin configuration (ie. what does ecah one do?) of
the serial port, mouse port, keyboard port, etc.  Also, I am intersted
in the voltage and current which is passed through these ports.

I have looked through several systems manuals at my university with
no luck.

Does anyone know where I can find this information?

Thanks,

  Scotty AJ
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From: Neil Greene <deepthought!neil@ms.uky.edu>
Subject: Excellent job with 3.0 NeXT
Reply-To: Neil Greene <deepthought!neil@ms.uky.edu>
Organization: ARCI, Inc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:45:48 GMT

NeXT has completed an excellent job in seamlessly writing an application for  
upgrading systems from 2.1 to 3.0.  Our office moved from a stand alone 2.1 cube  
to its own office lan with 3.0 machines running Oracle in less then 30 minutes.   
(This does not include the time required to upgrade the cube).

Upgrading from 2.1 to 3.0 took about 20 minutes to configure and an additional  
2-3 hours wait time for the upgrade.  All system configurations are saved as  
well as a nice front end to make on the fly modifications before installation.  

If you were hesitant about upgrading for stability or configuration reasons, I  
suggest you go ahead and make the upgrade.  I almost upgraded before backing up  
after performing an upgrade on another machine first.  :-)

Neil Greene
ARCI, Inc.
President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc.
Phone: 606.254.4060
Fax: 606.254.4864 
Email: deepthought!neil@ms.uky.edu [NeXTmail]
Soon to be: neil@kynug.org, neil@benchmark.com
-- 
Neil Greene 
Director, Computer Information Systems ARCI, Inc.
President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc.
Email: deepthought!neil@ms.uky.edu [NeXTmail]
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From: Ingo Feulner <alf@xenon.stgt.sub.org>
Subject: Re: NS 3.0, Appletalk, and Macs
Reply-To: Ingo Feulner <alf@xenon.stgt.sub.org>
Organization: Private System - Boeblingen, Germany
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:07:35 GMT
X-Bytes: 910

In article <Bu9txL.GoH@atherton.com> dlw@atherton.com (Remo Williams) writes:
> In article <16822@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> heberlei@cs.ucdavis.edu (Louis Todd  
> Heberlei) writes:
> > I have heard rumors that NS 3.0 will support Appletalk.  
> 
> NS 3.0 supports connections to Apple Macintoshes via EtherTalk an  
> implementation of "AppleTalk" over the transport media of ethernet.

BTW, files without a data fork have a length of 0 bytes on the NeXT. How
can I see such files (which only have a resource fork) and copy them with
their real length?

- Ingo.

> David Williams -- dlw@atherton.com -- NeXTMail welcome
> 	          dlw@netcom.com   -- NeXTMail welcome 
> 					
-- 
Ingo Feulner - Wolfacher Weg 22 - 7030 Boeblingen - alf@xenon.stgt.sub.org
                                  ---
  "Scheisse." - "Was?" - "Ne Streife." - "Nein." - "Doch." - "Scheisse."
                            (Blues Brothers)
From: fankhaus@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (George Fankhauser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Excellent job with 3.0 NeXT
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:36:32 GMT
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH

after betatesting for 4 months I have to agree.

the bugs are gone and 3.0 looks very good, thumbs up...

George
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: looking to borrow 3.0 CD at UMCP for legal upgrade
Date: 7 Sep 92 21:16:05 GMT
Distribution: um
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

I have a license for NeXTSTEP but as of yet no CD.
Does anyone at UMCP have a 3.0 CD they would let me borrow?
I'ld only need it long enough to drive home, upgrade my turbo and return.

I know it will arrive soon but I'm leaving for a trip after this week
and would very much like to take a 3.0 machine with me.



-- 
---------------------------------------------------
Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu   NeXT mail accepted
From: dimitri@dutiws.tudelft.nl (Dimitri Tischenko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: How do I print to a PostScript file?
Keywords: PostScript redirect output
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:12:33 GMT
Organization: Delft University of Technology

In article <lux.715618403@sol.UVic.CA> lux@sol.UVic.CA (Michael O'Henly) writes:
>
>	I have a new NeXTstation but no printer (yet). Much of the
>documentation I need for this system is available online. I'd like to
>"print" it to a PostScript file that I can download to another machine
>that is connected to a laser.
>
>	I've looked through the user guide and poked around in
>PrintMgr but I'm not seeing anything that indicates to me how to do
>it.
>
>	Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
>
>	Michael.

This is a FAQ, see Subject H4.

To save a printout to a file, click the Save button in the Print panel.

Dimitri
+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Dimitri Tischenko | D.B.Tischenko@IS.TWI.TUDelft.NL |   NeXTmail preferred!  |
+---------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
| Delft University of Technology        | Technische Universiteit Delft        |
| Fac Applied Math & Computer Science   | Fac. Techn. Wiskunde & Informatica   |
| The Netherlands                       | Nederland                            |
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From: gsteen@student.business.uwo.ca (Garnet Steen)
Subject: NeXT b&w laser printer
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:25:14 GMT

     I have a NeXT station and need to buy a laser printer for it.  I 
spent all of last year saving wordperfect files on IBM disks, luggint 
lugging them to school and printing them out on IBM's connected to HP 
Laserjet IIIs.  All in all, a pretty crappy way to get anything done, 
especially if you want to print out something froma program that isn't 
available on IBM.
     So, my question is, shoul I pony up the dough for a NeXT printer or 
can I hook up another (read: cheaper) laser printer to my NeXT.  In case 
you are wondering, I do realize that the NeXT printer would be the easy, 
flawless solution, but I am wondering what the downside is of going third 
party.  I am stand alone, and don't do huge volumes of work, and few 
graphics, so high PPM and 400dpi aren't a big concern for me.  
Suggestions?

gsteen@student.business.uwo.ca (Garnet Steen)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
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From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Subject: Re: Encription in 3.0?
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 01:32:26 GMT

In article <18rhrrINN6io@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu writes:
>Give an encription API to NeXTMail, and NeXT should ship without any
>encryption module.  Let Canon in Japan or an European subsidiary develop
>an encription module which then will be distributed to the world
>free via net.  We just get it and pop it into our NeXTMail.

If you dig around in the 3.0 Mail app-wrapper (at least in PR3 - wont
know about 3.0 release until tonight), you'll find that everything is
there (the encryption panels, etc...).  I even tried hooking it up in
IB, but apparently there is an encryption bundle missing from
/usr/lib/NextStep (or wherever it goes) that keeps it from working (it
throws up a panel saying "Encryption is not installed on this
computer.").

So if this bundle were to leak out to the net or wherever........


At the very least the machinery is there for anyone who wants to
reverse engineer the API and write an RSA bundle for Mail.app using
PGP.  Given how nice the Objc runtime is about telling you which
selectors your object couldn't respond to, it shouldn't be impossible.


andrew
-- 
andrew@cubetech.com     | "We shall not cease from exploration
Andrew Loewenstern      |  And the end of our exploring
Cube Technologies, Inc. |  Will be to arrive where we started
                        |  And know the place for the first time." -T.S. Eliot
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From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Subject: Re: looking at the bits in video frames (3.0 NeXT Dimension)
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 23:16:42 GMT

In article <4932@rosie.NeXT.COM> aozer@next.com (Ali Ozer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.090837.4884@cubetech.com> Andrew Loewenstern writes:
>>In article <1992Sep1.033025.7164@news.media.mit.edu> mike@media-lab.mit.edu writes:
>>> ... What I would like to do is simply get my hands on the pixel array
>>>that underlies the NXCachedImageRep of a grabbed frame,
>>>without copying and converting the whole frame.
>>Try to use either NXReadBitmap() or NXBitmapImageRep's
>>initData:fromRect: method (NeXT prefers NXBitmapImageRep).
>
>Arrg. I posted a longer reply to this question but I don't think it ever made
>it out. However, if you see another similar reply from me, apologies.
>
>As Andrew says, NeXT prefers NXBitmapImageRep. Under 3.0 reading images back
>from the window server has been speeded up, and you will see the most gain
>if you use the NXBitmapImageRep class. Under 3.0, all images come back as
>out-of-line messages (rather than as 64K buckets of bits, using "readimage").
>Also, under 3.0, it is possible for the images to come back "unpacked" (with
>non-standard bytes-per-row and bits-per-pixel values). This might seem like 
>a problem, but as long as you pay attention to the bytesPerRow and 
>bitsPerPixel params of the images, you will be fine.

Would it be possible for you or NeXTEdge to post a teeny bit of code
showing how to take advantage of the new image drawing speedups (such
as aligning the starting address, etc...)?  I think it would help all
of us out...


andrew
-- 
andrew@cubetech.com     | "We shall not cease from exploration
Andrew Loewenstern      |  And the end of our exploring
Cube Technologies, Inc. |  Will be to arrive where we started
                        |  And know the place for the first time." -T.S. Eliot
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From: ice@socrates.umd.edu (Fredrik Nyman)
Subject: Mathematica bundling/upgrade question
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:05:32 GMT

As an educational customer, I got Mathematica 2.0 bundled with 
NeXTstep 2.0.  Now, I bought the NeXTCD/NeXTstep 3.0 bundle, and
I'm curious if the latest version of Mathematica (2.1) will be
bundled with NeXTstep 3.0 for all higher educational customers
or if I'll have to buy the upgrade directly from Wolfram.

Thanks,
Fredrik
From: dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: New release of SLIP software
Distribution: world
Date: 13 Sep 92 09:08:00 PST
Organization: Not an Organization

>In article <1992Sep13.021511.22878@ni.umd.edu> louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes:
>
>I've left a new version of my SLIP software on SONATA.CC.PURDUE.EDU and
>CS.ORST.EDU.  Look for the files:
>
>-rw-r--r--  1 louie	   4462 Sep  4 22:27 SLIP_920904.README
>-rw-r--r--  1 louie	    291 Sep  4 22:27 SLIP_920904.md5
>-rw-r--r--  1 louie	 532480 Sep  4 22:27 SLIP_920904.tar

    Cool stuff.  One question -- when you patch the kernel do you clear the
    68040's code cache?  I'm not sure exactly what that entails from user
    mode, but it's probably necessary.  Since the mods are being written as
    data, they are going into the data cache and not the code cache so if
    entries corresponding to those code locations exist in the code cache
    strange things will happen.  Since the 68040 uses a physical memory
    cache it is unlikely that the kernel is clearing it every context
    switch (which is good... you have to clear the cache every switch on an
    030 because the 030 has a VM cache).

						-Matt

--

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From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott)
Subject: Re: Connecting to GENIE
Reply-To: eps@cs.sfsu.edu
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 02:53:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.184510.5234@trilithon.mpk.ca.us>
	henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton) writes:
>Does anybody know how to connect to users on the GENIE
>system from Internet?

You'll find the answer you're looking for in comp.mail.misc.
It's completely inappropriate to ask here.

[The answer appears to be, "yes, but only if the particular GEnie
subscriber in question has made specific arrangements to use the
Internet gateway and pays an additional monthly service charge."]

					-=EPS=-

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From: rao@tree.egr.uh.edu (Jagannatha  Rao)
Subject: Transparencies in  400 dpi NeXT Laser Printer?
Keywords: Can I?
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:35:13 GMT



I seem to remember reading somewhere that we can easily print transparencies in  
the NeXT laser printer. Is this correct? IF so, does NeXT mention this anywhere  
in their documentation? I could'nt find any reference. 

--
Jagannatha Rao				E-mail:rao@tree.egr.uh.edu
Department of Mechanical Engineering    Tel   :(713) 743-4535
University of Houston                   Fax   :(713) 743-4503
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From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher)
Subject: ZyXEL 1496 modem
Keywords: modem
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:00:22 GMT

Does anyone know where I can find a ZyXEL 1496 modem at a good (read: low 
as possible) price?

Thanks in advance for the info.


Charlie



-- 
	NeXTMail to:		|	...to confer, converse, and 
	charlie@technosci.com	|	otherwise hobnob with my    
				|	brother wizards.
From: fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Borrow someone else's 3.0 ...
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:53:00 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


I've paid for the drive/3.0 upgrade, but the 3.0 hasn't arrived yet.  But,  
I know that some people on campus have already received the 3.0 cd. (one  
of which is a friend of mine)  I believe that having paid for my upgrade,  
I have a "right to use" licence.  I assume this means that it's full legal  
to *borrow* someone elses cd for a night and install 3.0 on my machine.   
Granted, I can't leave the cd in my drive and access it any time I want,  
but at least I can get 3.0 on my machine until my own cd gets here.

So, for all those people complaining about 3.0 not arriving and how  
absolutely *urgent* it is they get it, why not find someone else who has  
it?  A nearby university is bound to have lots.  Any registered NeXT  
developer or dealer should too, you'd think.

fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (NeXTmail ok)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tom@arbw3.kf.tu-berlin.de (thomas mueller)
Subject: Need help for DSP
Keywords: DSP
Reply-To: tom@arbw3.kf.tu-berlin.de (thomas mueller)
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:56:34 GMT

Thomas Mueller

Technische Universitaet Berlin
Institut fuer Arbeitswissenschaft

University of Technology - Berlin (FRG)
Institute for Ergonomics

Ernst-Reuter-Platz 7
D-1000 Berlin 12

Tel.: +49.30.314 237 89
FAX:  +49.30.314 211 11


Request for help!

Need information how to provide Next-DSP with Input-data, esp. physical format
(e.g. voltage, connection, wiring). Application: physiological data analysis
(heart-rate analysis).

Thank you
Thomas
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: moksha!mgb (Michael Branton)
Subject: Re: Hard Drive problems (?)
Reply-To: mgb@stetson.bitnet
Organization: Totally Disorganized
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 16:49:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.175234.6972@nntp.uoregon.edu> cdelay@inferno.uoregon.edu  
(Christian De Lay) writes:
> I'm getting some awfully weird noises from my (406MB) hard drive in my 9  
> month old NeXTstation mono.  Occasionally the drive will make a high pitch  
> whining sound (which sounds similar to a skill saw "powering down") for no  
> apparent reason.  Now, I've had this machine long enough to know that this  
> probably isn't a normal sound for the beast to be making.
> 
> What I want to know is this: Has anyone else experienced this problem?  Are  
> there any known problems with NeXT's hard drives?
> 
> --
> cdelay@inferno.uoregon.edu
> NeXTmail gladly accepted.

I too have heard this sound from my 406MB drive on my color station. Twice.
It's kind of scary. I haven't had any problems with the drive yet, though.

-- 


-Michael
From: eronald@CNAM.CNAM.FR (Edmund Ronald)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: PasteUp vs PageMaker: Biz group needed.
Date: 13 Sep 92 11:17:37 GMT

Advertising's place is not on c.s.n.m, so much we all agree. 
However, advertising does contain information, or we wouldn't spend
our time reading those trade glossies (Byte, Electronics etc...).
So, why don't we make a "biz.next" group? This is the accepted place
on the net for commercial ventures to strutt their stuff.

Edmund.
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Info on getting 3.0 and CD-ROM player (was: Re: CD-ROM question, NeXT customer support gripe)
Date: 7 Sep 92 19:21:05 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <15331@umd5.umd.edu> bchin@terminus.umd.edu (Bill Chin) writes:
>I don't know what they really use, but I've heard that some of the best
>mission critical apps were created and used by NeXT for their own internal
>management.

Well, from the few times I've tried to call to see what's up with my order,
they said their Oracle database was down so they'd have to call me back.

To their credit, they called back within an hour.

Shame they lost the order, though [the end result will be known when my CD
ROM drive appears; the other parts of the order arrived 4 days after the
order was straightened out].

How do I know they lost the order?  They tried to cash the check that I
cancelled because I thought it was lost in the mail after talking to the
Oracle database folk about two weeks after the order was re-sent.  Sigh. :-)

>..Bill
------
Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted)
------
E Pluribus Unix


Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov (Robert F. Cahalan)
Subject: Re: NT: please define vapor.
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:47:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.013222.14702@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>  
halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin) writes:
> In article <1992Sep9.203008.9838@adobe.com> byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)  
writes:
> >Jeff Henshaw writes
> >
> >> Everyone wants their familiar OS and UI.
....................   STUFF DELETED    ..............................
> >It's just sad that a good operating system will be handicapped with
> >such a bad UI as Windows.  If I'm mistaken in that, please let me know
> >what will be used instead - I'd be very happy to hear it.
> 
> What are you refering to when you talk about the UI?  A menu is a menu,
> a button is a button, etc...  Once youve launched an application you can
> safely ignore the "desktop", at which point youre at the mercy of the
> application designer.  If the designer has layed out dialog boxes  
correctly,
> given the user an appropriate amount of direct control over the data  
s/he
> is working with, and done some decent graphics design you have a good UI
> that will work over almost any imaging model.  This has nothing to do  
with
> Microsoft or Windows.
................    MORE STUFF DELETED   ..........................

Steve,
One of the differences between an environment like the NeXT and the old  
GUIs like Mac and Windows is that more of the "desktop" does NOT go away  
when you launch an application (or two, or three).  For example, as I  
compose this posting, I can double-click any word and look it up in  
Digital Webster, Oxford Quotations, or the Digital Librarian, all with a  
quick keystroke or mouseclick or two.  Or if we're talking math I can type  
something like  Factor[1-c^4], click "Evaluate to Plain Text" in the  
Services menu, and get (1 - c)*(1 + c)*(1 + c^2).  Applications are  
automatically launched as needed to perform these services.  Also, many of  
the menu items activate objects common to many apps, like the FontPanel,  
ColorPanel, PrintPanel, etc..  The Mac made a beginning at the kind of  
integration now found in NeXT, but the NeXT is currently more like a real  
desktop than the Mac.

> -Steve
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Stephen E. Halpin                halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com
>                                  My views are mine because no one else
>                                  would take them.

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