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From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Strength--Size--Weight Loss?????
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:46:14 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <jed3.726847096@Ra.MsState.Edu> jed3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Joseph E. Dunston) writes:
>I have been lifting for a little over one year now.  Talking with people where I work out, I frequently get asked about my goal ( Why am I workingout Strength, Size, Weight Loss).  Also in reading some postings and magazine acticles the three seem to be sectioned off, you can have one but not the other.  Well I guess I'm hard headed or just plain ignorant 'cause I want ALL THREE.  Is this possible?  What would I have to do to succeed in doing this?  Any thoughts or advice is greatly appreciated.
>
>
>Joseph
>jed3@ra.msstate.edu

Joseph,

	I believe it is absolutely possible.  Why?  Because I did it.  The
summer before last, I was getting serious about weight training.  During a
3 month period, my bodyweight dropped from 193 to 162, my muscle mass
increased, and my bench went from 315 to 340, so I ended up benching 340
at 162.  :-)  I had (and now have even more) veins popping out.  I still
have a gut but little fat everywhere else (like arms, legs).

							-Adam

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Abs Question
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 06:48:59 GMT

In article <Jan.8.16.15.18.1993.1767@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
>>>There is little difference between eating a candy bar
>>>or drinking fruit juice.
>
>>...except for the many grams of fat found in most candy bars. Fruit
>>juice is fat free.
>
>How much vitamin C is in that candy bar?  How much fiber?
>
>Really.

Really indeed.  Fruit juice is an insignificant source of fiber, and
many fruit juices don't have much vitamin C at all.  We were talking
about sugar.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: rachim_t1@verifone.com
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Natural Insomnia Cure Sought (sex)
Date: 7 Jan 93 11:51:55 -1000
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

In article <1i2k7lINNi1@uwm.edu>, markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark) writes:
>    Reading a book on Physics late at night will be sure to put you to sleep
> very quick.  Also, if you're male, having sex seems to put you to sleep. :)

don't want to go changing the subject here but I was with a girl and she
finished before I did and fell asleep on me!  
Didn't know if I should be insulted or flattered at my ability to complete the
relax the girl.

sex puts women to sleep, too
From: sundar@Autodesk.COM (Sundar Krishnamurthy)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Recommendation for home exercise equipment.
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:26:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA


I am looking to buy a home weight-training/exercise equipment
and I would like to hear recommendations (including price) from
netters. I have heard of Soloflex and Nordiflex but I find
them expensive. I used to work out at the local Y (on Nautilus 
machines and free weights) but the rates have gone up. My 
requirements for exercise are:
	- 3 days/per week routine.
	- exercise by pectorals, deltoids, lats, biceps, triceps,
	  quads.
I get aerobic exercise from running, cycling.

Thanks for recommendation!

Sundar
From: je10+@andrew.cmu.edu (James Brian Endres)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: General questions
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:18:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.sfIlaUC00WB5MlIVMf
Organization: Sponsored account, Statistics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Hi All,

I have some very general fitness questions. I should say from the very
beginning that my goals are modest and long-term. I'm more interested
in feeling good now and encouraging future health benefits than, say,
looking good or building muscles for its own sake.

My feeling is that there is a general (conservative) consensus in the
health/fitness field (from enthusiasts to researchers) that
preventative health measures basically divide themselves into diet and
exercise. My diet is fine: low fat, high fiber, lots of vegetables,
and so forth. Exercise can further be divided (roughly) into aerobic
for cardio-respiratory fitness, weight training for muscular and bone
fitness, and perhaps stretching for general flexibility. Different
activities would have some overlap, of course.

Would anyone radically challenge this overview? I mean, am I leaving
something big out?

I walk a lot (from Pittsburgh to Fort Wayne over about four weeks this
summer); my feet and my bike are my transportation. There are some
good trails right in the middle of Pittsburgh fun to mountain bike on.
I love swimming. I also really enjoy stretching.

So diet, aerobics, and stretching are covered. Unfortunately, I know
essentially nothing about the weight training part. I lifted in high
school under the direction of my shotput/discus coach, so I know what
to *do*, basically, I just don't know what's important given my goals.
I do NOT want to get big, but I would like definition. I do NOT want
to injure myself, but I do want to feel good.

I guess what I am asking for is (a pointer to) information concerning
a modest, conservative (with respect to whatever consensus there is),
plain-vanilla outline of what I could be doing.
Thanks in advance,
Jimmer.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: bryant@neural.Kodak.COM (Steve Bryant)
Subject: Re: Abs Question
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 18:06:21 GMT

In article <1idmfdINNkv3@mirror.digex.com>, hacker@access.digex.com (Dark Hacker) writes:

>Coffee simply is not good for you, although the jury is still out as to
>how bad it is for you.  Out the window with it.  Even that good Sumatran peat.
>
Lets see now, if I don't have coffee to look forward to, I don't get 
out of bed, resulting in gaining 100 pounds......
From: doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis SE Southwest Chicago)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Target Heartrate
Date: 4 Jan 1993 20:54:55 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: doc@webrider.central.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: webrider.central.sun.com

The charts are general in nature and meant to be a guide.  The best way
to find out your actual target rate is to have a real stress test done
(treadmill, bike or whatever by someone who knows what they're doing). 

For me the chart was saying about the same as yours.  My comfortable working
level, however, was always 165 - 170.  When I had the stress test done
the results agreed with my comfort level.  But don't just assume that the
chart is wrong for you until you do the stress test.  It's good insurance
against being a fit looking dead person.

Later,

Steve

-------------------------------------------------------------------
According to the charts my target heart rate for working out should
be 135 -165 but I frequently find myself going at 170s or 180s.
Is this dangerous?  I could slow down but then I don't feel I'm 
working hard.  All I do is 25 - 30 minutes on a Nordic Track 4 - 6 
times weekly.  Since I'm limited for time, I want the best workout I can 
get (but don't want to keel over).  

P.S I suffer no cheast pains during the workouts.


David Isaacs			If I said it, why blame anyone else?
Ok.... So I didn't major 
in English.


---
Steve Bunis, SE Chicago-Metro Office, Sun Microsystems

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: Re: where do jocks buy jeans?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:26:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.095427.614@hnrc.tufts.edu> loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
================== stuff deleted ==================
>
>I have had the same problem.  I now know why bodybuilders have a hard time 
>finding clothes.  After my last competition, my legs have increased greatly
>in size due to a new workout approach.  

What did you do differently than before? 

>I find that 3/4 of the jeans are too
>tight in the thigh in too wide in the waist, or vice versa.  I have literally
>gone through hell and back trying to find a pair of jeans that fit.  I finally
>found the right pair of Levi's just last week.  I have been wanting to try a 
>pair of Guess jeans, but absolutely refuse to pay $60 for a pair of pants.  

Hell, I don't blame you!  That is more than a good pair of tailored dress
pants costs.

>The other problem is that when I start dieting down for my next competiton,
>these new jeans will be too big for me.  You just can't win!!!

I guess you gotta keep _two_ wardrobes :-).  
Being fit can sure get expensive, but it is sure worth it!

Keith R
>
>-Rob


Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: Re: Ab Reduction/Definition Exercises?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:04:26 GMT
Keywords: abs lifting definition fat loss exercises

In article <6686@pdxgate.UUCP> glen@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Glen Barney) writes:
>I've recently returned to the workout world after some inactivity, and have
>a question I've been trying to figure out for some time.  Usually when I work
>a specific muscle group, I can see positive change reasonable quickly.  For
>example, I can visually see improvements in shoulders, biceps, calves, etc.
>But, I'm not having much luck with abs - I still have a bicycle (OK, moped)
>tire around my stomach, and can't seem to shake it or flatten out or define
>my stomach.
>
>Does anyone have a good exercise or group of exercises for major abdominal
>help?
>
>Are situps any good really, and if so, how many and how often?
>
>Are crunches better than situps, and if so, same questions?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Glen
>glen@rigel.cs.pdx.edu

I have two words for you, my friend:

	Diet and Roadwork

If you have a spare tire, you need to burn/lose some fat, period.
The absolutely best way to do this is through sensible diet
(ie., reduce your intake of especially fatty or sugary foods, and
load up on the veggies whole-grains and fruits), coupled with an
adequate amount of aerobic/roadwork time every week.  The aerobic
sessions should be done at a pace that you can maintain for 60 min
at a time, at least four times/week.  You should see _definate_
results in a few weeks.  It is only _after_ you are somewhat lean
in the midsection, that you will see any positive results from
direct ab work.  Bear in mind though, that while ab exercises are
good for conditioning the ab muscles, they _will not_ trim your 
waistline.  A _trim waist is:

	1 part diet, 1 part roadwork, 1 part posture

You will notice that in the list above, I did not mention any direct
ab work.  This is because any decent roadwork will give your abs all the
stimulation that they need to be able to hold your guts in.  You can
develop quite a trim/small waistline w/o doing a single sit-up or crunch.
What direct ab work _will_ buy you is that "chiseled look", provided
that you are lean enough for this muscle development to show.

Keith R
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: rviswana@violin.cis.ohio-state.edu (r viswanathan)
Subject: Loss of Energy midway through a set
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:37:25 GMT

  I have been working out for a couple of years now and am just starting to
  get regular at the gym after a long layoff. 
  Here is my problem. I can squat reasonable poundages (225 lbs) without much
  trouble, but my upper body (chest and deltoids) refuse to get stronger.
  Midway through a set, after about 5 reps done in good form, I suddenly lose
  energy and the next rep becomes extremely difficult. This is a recent 
  phenomenon and I haven't experienced it before. This happens only on
  lifts involving the deltoids and the chest like the military or the bench
  press.

  I am 22 years of age, 6' tall and weigh about 157 pounds. I work out
  6 days a week for about 40 minutes per session. I know I am not overtraining
  because my back and legs are making progress. Can anyone suggest a remedy?

 --Thanks

  Ram Viswanathan.
From: glen@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Glen Barney)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Pec/Chest definition
Keywords: weights exercise chest definition
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:25:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.6687


I've been observing lots of people doing various exercises for chest
development - bench press, fly, etc.  What is the best way to define and
fill out your chest?  Specifically, I've seen some people with really
good definition along the lower horizontal edge of their pecs.  How can
this best be done?  Motions/sets/weight/reps?

Glen
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: spady@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robyn Spady)
Subject: Re: eczema trouble
Organization: Boeing
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:38:57 GMT

>>have you guys tried lidex?
>>its strong stuff
>>but it really works much better than the cortisone type things
>
>What is Lidex?  Is it a corticosteroid?  Is it prescription? What are it's
>side effects and long-term impact?

Lidex is a corticosteriod I believe

Yes, you do need a prescription

It works very well . . . However, atrophy (thinning) of the skin is a side
effect of longterm use . . . I have only used it when I require something 
strong and then switch to something else.

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: Re: Basic questions
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:29:59 GMT

In article <8fIa_We00WB_8mWGJk@andrew.cmu.edu> je10+@andrew.cmu.edu (James Brian Endres) writes:
>
>Hi All,
>
>I have some very general fitness questions. I should say from the very
>beginning that my goals are modest and long-term. I'm more interested
>in feeling good now and encouraging future health benefits than, say,
>looking good or building muscles for its own sake.
>
.................... stuff deleted ...............................

>I do NOT want to get big, but I would like definition. I do NOT want
>to injure myself, but I do want to feel good.
>
>I guess what I am asking for is (a pointer to) information concerning
>a modest, conservative (with respect to whatever consensus there is),
>plain-vanilla outline of what I could be doing.
>Thanks in advance,
>Jimmer.

Hi Jimmer,
My best suggestion to you, based upon your requirements, is to work up
an endurance training routine, using weights and/or calisthenics as needed.
Start off with enough weight/resistance, such that you are limited to
20-25 reps at the outset.  As the exercises get easier, then add reps
or sets, but do not add weight. Do this in addition to your roadwork
and attention to diet. You should see positive results in short order.

Keith R
From: maher@umbc3.umbc.edu (Dr. Michael Maher)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Gyms for vacation in S. Calif/Texas
Date: 11 Jan 1993 15:55:16 -0500
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc4.umbc.edu


For the past four years I have taken a Feb. vacation in
Lake Wales, Fla., and enjoyed using a well equipped gym in 
Winter Garden.  This year I will probably take a week either
in the outlying Houston area, or San Diego, or desert around 
Apple Valley, Calif.

Rather than scout out the gyms after I decide, can anyone 
suggest small quiet towns in these areas that have adequate gyms?
Also, reasonable weekly rates are important.

My own preference for gyms is clean, quiet, members mostly bodybuilders
rather than aerobics types, with an adequate range of both machines and
freeweights.  I think cable rows and lat pull up bar are good
indicators.  Almost everyplace will have the standard benches.

I may cross post to Rec.travel, but this group should be able to 
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: Re: high reps + low weight = BIG muscles
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:22:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.091453.11079@vax.oxford.ac.uk> ayoung@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>
> According to classical fitness theory, very high reps (ie. hundreds) with
>low weight improve the slow-twitch aerobic muscles - which does NOT result
>in significant hypertrophy.
>
> So why do women who do lots of aerobics develop huge calves ?
>
That's a good question, Alan!
I think that, in the case of "high impact" (lotsa bouncing) aerobics, that
what we are actually seeing is high reps _and_ high weight at the same time.
Please bear with me.....
Each time that you land on your foot with force, the speed at which you land
creates a "force multiplier" effect.  You resist this force, then rebound
against it, all within a fraction of a second per rep/step. You are working
with quite a bit of force for a fractional second with each step. 
For instance, a person can develop powerful calves by:

	a) doing toe raises
		here you are operating in relatively slow motion
		and you increase the intensity of the exercise
		by increasing the weight
		The muscles are under stress throughout the entire motion
		(high "duty cycle", therfore you can do but so many reps)
		(this is controlled power)

	b) running the 100-yard-dash or doing jumping jacks
		here you are moving in very fast motion
		and you increase the intensity of the exercise
		by striving to go ever faster/higher
		(low "duty cycle", therfore you can lotsa reps)
		.... okay, if you don't pass out from "oxygen debt" first
		(this is explosive power)

Imagine doing bench presses with as much weight as you can reasonably
handle vs. doing hand-clapping pushups, and throwing your body as high
as possible on each rep.  Take the example of basketball players, cyclists
or speed skaters..... these folx all develop "monster thighs" whether
they weight train or not.  These folx are all working their muscles
vigorously _at speed_.

It is my belief that you can make muscles grow by working them ever harder.
This can be achieved by increasing the speed _or_ by increasing the
resistance _or_ both.  What is the difference between a good dealift
and a good power clean?  What is the difference between a great dunk
and a great squat?  The bottom line is that you are working into
enough resistance/time to make the muscles grow.

Keith R
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>   /____/  /  ___    __       |___/
>  /    /  /  /   |  /  |         /           "The bigger they are,
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From: djr48312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dennis Robinson)
Subject: Re: Popping joints
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 05:34:29 GMT

My knees pop about 1/2 of the way through the Squat.  Any one else
have this?  Its very uncomfortable when they pop too.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: paul.collins@analog.com
Subject: Re: bad posture
Originator: paul@loki
Organization: Analog Devices, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:57:06 GMT

There have been several answers to the question about bad posture. Some say that
to improve your posture do abdominal exercises while others say to exercise the
back muscles. IMHO, it is much more important to make sure that your lower back
and ab muscles are balanced. By that I mean that one set of muscles isn't much
stronger than the other. Is it possible that you do many situps and ignore your
lower back muscles? Or vice-versa?

Yoga, dance and the martial arts classes should help improve your posture. 


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   Analog Devices, Norwood, MA 02062     UUNET: uunet!analogdv!paul.collins
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: murty@ecf.toronto.edu (MURTY Hema Sandhyarani)
Subject: Re: Tunturi Stepper Noise
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:51:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.115903.8953@aristo.tau.ac.il> marsh@aristo.tau.ac.il (Marshall Rapaport) writes:
>stepper.  The design was really nice and the resistance changes on the
>pistons are very easy to perform.  Unfortunately, after about 5 minutes
>of exercise, the machine starts making such terrible screeching noises
>that it is impossible to continue.  I talked with the distributer and they
>promised to give me 2 new pistons as soon as they get them.  Has this

	I have a MEGAFLEX by DP and it has a stepper attachment 
	which has the same problem.  My noise is so loud that when
	I use it in the basement, people on the second floor of the
	house complain!  I was told to get lithium grease and put
	it on the rod and reinstall the stepper.  I haven't tried it
	as of yet however.



Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: jfjr@mbunix.mitre.org (Freedman)
Subject: Nordic Track technique
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:16:16 GMT

   When I do longer workouts on the Nordic Track ( > 30 minutes) I get
muscle pain in my lower back - the kind of lactic acid pain I would
get from lifting (if I were ever to do lifting that worked my lower
back). I believe this to be a posture problem but I am not sure.

  Any thoughts

                           Jerry Freedman,Jr
From: knight@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Paul Knight)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:23:56 GMT
Subject: Re: WHAT DOES POLY-UNSATURATED MEAN
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: misc.fitness

The term saturated in "saturated fat" refers to the amount of hydrogen
atoms found on the lipid molecule.  The more hydrogen atoms attached to
the molecule, the more saturated it is.  Saturated fats have a higher
melting point than unsaturated fats.  For example, butter is nearly solid
at room temperature but olive oil isn't.  Butter is more highly saturated
than olive oil.  Margarine makers often use unsaturated vegetable oils
(healthy) but then saturate them with hydrogen to make them solid at
room temperatures.  This makes them less healthy.  One interesting point
is that non-dairy coffee creamers are highly saturated fat.  They are
correctly labelled as having no cholesterol, but, when they are eaten,
they cause the liver to release cholesterol.  This defeats the purpose
of avoiding dairy products in the first place.


Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mdoyle@sparhawk (Mike Doyle)
Subject: Re: Ab Reduction/Definition Exercises?
Keywords: Abs / definition
Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA
Distribution: misc fitness
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 17:10:06 GMT

In article <6686@pdxgate.UUCP> glen@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Glen Barney) writes:
> I've recently returned to the workout world after some inactivity, and have
> a question I've been trying to figure out for some time.  Usually when I work
> a specific muscle group, I can see positive change reasonable quickly.  For
> example, I can visually see improvements in shoulders, biceps, calves, etc.
> But, I'm not having much luck with abs - I still have a bicycle (OK, moped)
> tire around my stomach, and can't seem to shake it or flatten out or define
> my stomach.
> 
> Does anyone have a good exercise or group of exercises for major abdominal
> help?
> 
> Are situps any good really, and if so, how many and how often?
> 
> Are crunches better than situps, and if so, same questions?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Glen
> glen@rigel.cs.pdx.edu


glen,
	One of the best exercises for defintion and reduction are rope pulley crunches.   
Using a Universal triceps machine or chest crossover frame;  attach a rope or towel  
around the handle and add a comfortable amount of  weight.  Putting your hands on  
top of your head kneel down.  Now using your abdominal muscles only crunch down  
until your head almost touches the floor.  Do these slowly for three sets of 20-30.   
You can see a picture of this in the Gold's Gym workout book.

	Doyle
	mdoyle@fnbc.com