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From: robg@citr.uq.oz.au (Rob Geraghty)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Sex Dreams
Date: 16 Oct 92 08:32:56 GMT
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland

Sigh.  Guess it's to hell with it and I'll have to post a reply seeing
as the mailer daemon says you don't exist ;-)

In alt.dreams you write:

>Can anyone help me understand why I always wake up when I have
>a dream which involves having sex?  Every dream is the same.  I'm
>kissing and getting closer to the man and when we are about to 
>have sex, I wake up! (bummer).

>What is your interpretation.

Well, Kay, one thing I wonder is whether you have ever *had* sex.  If
not, I find it unlikely that you would actually dream about it
successfully.  Thinking back, I never had a dream which involved actual
sex until after I had experienced it.  After that, though, I don't think
it was a problem.  But then, I'm not lucky enough to dream about it all
the time :-(  I can understand your frustration.

If you *have* experienced it for real, then I would suggest that for
some reason sex has become frightening for you subconciously.  For some
reason you are recoiling from it - to the extent where you wake up.
Maybe you had a bad experience?  Maybe you broke up with someone and the
memory of this is interfering with your dreams - "I'm not in a
relationship therefore this can't be happening" ...  That never got in
the way of my dreams though... :-/ Hmm..

Don't feel you have to reply to any of this - I can see it could be
potentially embarrasing ;-)

(sure was for me ;)

Just a couple of thoughts, anyhow

Rob

--
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Rob Geraghty                         | Time, flowing like a river
robg@durian.citr.oz.au               | Time, beckoning me
CITR                                 | APP
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 04:05:59 -0400 
From: Jack Liu <jl9d+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Lucidity and me.
	<BvqMFo.Eq4@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>

I'd just like to ask if anyone has experienced this before:

	In times of high fever, I would sometimes fall into a semi-conscious
state.  Actually, I'd be more conscious that unconscious.  Once this
happens, I experience the horrible feeling of the world becoming
nonexistent, like apocalypse.  The only images I would see in my mind
are cubes of all different sizes.  Though it's completely black around
me, I can still make out the giant shapes, shrinking and growing.  It
gets the worst when the cube becomes so large that it exceeds the limits
of my imagination, where I would then feel like all hope in everything
is lost.  At this point, I can feel my physical body floating in this
darkness.  All gravity is gone and I can't tell if I'm lying down or
standing up.  It's only when I open my eyes again that I snap out of it.
	What I've just described is rather vague, but I can't really describe
it any further because the rest can't really be related to the five
senses.  It's a totally different experience (one that I don't hope to
be having soon).  

I doubt that there is a real meaning in this, but I'd just like to know
if I'm not the only one who goes through this.  I've asked my friends
and none of them seemed to have even nearly ever experienced it.  
	One more question:

	I'm sure this has happened to some people.  When I take naps at around
6P.M. and wake up at 9P.M. to do whatever and then go back to sleep
again after a few hours, I find that I can always know when I'm dreaming
once I've entered one.  They're usually nightmares, and though I can't
control them, I can exit myself from them at anytime by finding
inconsistencies in reality (i.e. "I could never be there" or "That could
not happen").  The creepy part comes after I wake.  I find that I can't
move any part of my body on awakening but my eyes.  No matter how hard I
try, I can't even get my fingers to wiggle.  I eventually break out of
this in about ten seconds, but when it happens, even though I know that
I'll break out, it freaks me out.  Maybe if someone would tell me that
this is natural or explain the "physics" of it to me, I can rest more
assuredly that my eyes aren't looking out from a lifeless body.  

Thanks.
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:23:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.dreams

Oops! My apologies for posting my previous "Please Help" survey to this
group. It was an honest mistake and won't happen again.

Kingsley
From: TLZ103@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Lucidity and me.
Date: 7 Oct 92 22:37:32 GMT
 <BvqMFo.Eq4@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <8eoddbe00WB0M4HFZH@andrew.cmu.edu>
 <keoje9O00YUo42yX0_@andrew.cmu.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

I was very very sick once and can remember having the strangest dreams.  The
dream that sticks out most was of only colors and textures (I could feel the
different textures with my eyes).  I don't think there was any sounds related
to the dream, but I don't remeber.

Terrance Zechman
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: c8841288@cc.newcastle.edu.au (CHRISTINA THE BIMBO)
Subject: Lucid Nightmares
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:01:27 GMT

Gudday trendsetters,

This often happened to me when I was younger. I would be dreaming, pretty
ordinary, but then a wave of fear would come over me that the dream (I
kind of new I was dreaming) was going to turn nightmare. Everything would
turn scary; but sometimes nothing would happen, only that I was expecting
it to. At this time I would try desperately to wake myself up. I would
jab myself in the arm, pinch myself, even ram my head against a wall (which
never hurt). Eventually I would wake up, relieved.

Occasinally I would wake only to find myself in another dream, ready to
turn scary again (see my last post).

So, does this mean I am a walking nervous wreck?

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Jason Quarry
University of Newcastle
From: rcrane@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Robert Crane - OTHER)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: external influences while you sleep
Date: 17 Oct 92 02:25:07 GMT
Organization: Washington State University!

Laberge points out in _Lucid dreaming_ that it is possible to incorporate
external sounds into dreams.  I have had it happen several times myself.
The most satisfying was when I was feeling really messed up in the
dream and I was floating in the air.  I was in the bandroom of my childhood
and the snare drums were rattling from the sound of howling wind.
I went into the other room and I saw a translucent, female spirit.
She was moaning like the wind.  I touched her and I woke up.
The wind was howling really hard outside.  I then listened to it
about an half hour or so.  It was really an intimate experience.
-- 
-bob crane
rcrane@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu
"Ah Limbo!"
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gj156879@prince.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Astral projection or DREAMS?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:18:36 GMT

I once went lucid in a dream, and realized I was in my house, so I
went to go look for my body, thinking maybe it was astral projection,
but not absolutely sure if it was or not.  When I got to my room, I
saw my body lying there.  As I stared at it, it turned into my
girlfriend of the time, and I climbed into bed and we started kissing.
 
It seems more reasonable to say it was a lucid dream that LOOKED like
astral projection, than to say it was astral projection that faded
into a dream.
 
But: I've also had a dream where I was walking down a street near my
home, and I realized I was dreaming and the dream material stopped and
everything became more "real" and I was walking along, but a "wind" of
some sort pushed me into a house I'd never been inside before.  Then I
woke up.
 
And even more: One dream was late at night, and I was walking around
the neighbourhood.  I realized I was dreaming, and I waked around and
thought "This is a really boring dream, nothing's happening!"  So I
tried to go into a house to see something different, but THEN I woke
up (grr...).
 

So although I would tend to believe that astral projection is in fact
lucid dreaming, I'm not 100% sure on the matter.   I've even heard it
said that lucid dreaming IS a method to astral project.  But how would
you be able to tell the difference?  I suppose you'd have to go and
see something while asleep, then go and look at it while awake to see
if it is what you saw in the dream.  Hmmm....
 
 
                                                  Nik
                                            Out of Body...
                                            Out of Mind...
From: TLZ103@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Flying
Date: 7 Oct 92 22:50:54 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Most of the time when I would fly in a dream, I would take a larger than
normal step (like the second step in a triple jump) and then I would just
hang inches above the ground just like a olympic ski jumper before landing.
After a few seconds (or minutes, what is time in a dream) I could change
my altitude and do whatever I was going to do in the dream.  I guess it was
like walking on the moon, but never having to come back down.

Terrance Zechman
From: matt@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Some Weird Dreams et alia
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:01:20 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <4er7NLa00WB78=GpdX@andrew.cmu.edu>, Steven Anselmo Aiello <sa2y+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> directions and lengths.  My right shoulder went up OVER MY HEAD, while
> my left shoulder bent down towards my feet.  The feeling was so real,
> yet utterly IMPOSSIBLE.  I began to twist in pretzel shapes, or a limb
> would extend several extra feet.  It was really odd, but very
> interesting.  At this point, I woke up and said to myself, "That was
> really really strange.  I'll have to tell my friend Pete about that." 
> Then I went back to sleep.  Three times during the rest of the night, I
> dreamt about telling this story to someone.  Twice it was Pete, I don't
> remember who the other one was....
> 
> So what do you think?  Let me know if you have any comments.
> 
I have had contortion dreams a number of times.  The first time that I 
remember I had stayed up late reading Clive Barker's BOOKS OF BLOOD.
I finished it around 4 am, having read it straight through, and then went
to bed.  The next thing I know I feel as if I'm being grabbed by some demonic
force, thrown up against the ceiling, then pushed along the ceiling and crushed
into the wall, causing much damage to Yours Truly.  "How interesting," I
thought, wondering if somehow I'd exposed myself to some evil influence by
reading Clive Barker.  This and similar experiences continued for some time
before I drifted off to sleep.  This sensation of being grabbed and either
pinned down, crushed, distorted, or hurled through outer space has recurred a 
number of times since then, always while either falling asleep or waking up.  
Since reading this newsgroup I've decided it's a case of the body being 
paralized as in sleep while the mind is still conscious.  This seems to occur 
most often when my sleep patterns have been irregular as in staying up very 
late and/or taking naps in the afternoon.

That's my NZ$0.02 worth, with the exchange rate worth about US$0.01.

Matt
From: sgl@aeg.dsto.gov.au (Simmo)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Weird Stuff that happen to me (posted under
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:12:55 GMT
Reply-To: sgl@aeg.dsto.gov.au
Followup-To: alt.dreams
Organization: Aeronautical Research Laboratory

jl9d+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jack Liu) writes :
> I'd just like to ask if anyone has experienced this before:
>
> 	In times of high fever, I would sometimes fall into a semi-conscious
> state.  Actually, I'd be more conscious that unconscious.  Once this
> happens, I experience the horrible feeling of the world becoming
> nonexistent, like apocalypse.  The only images I would see in my mind
> are cubes of all different sizes.  Though it's completely black around
> me, I can still make out the giant shapes, shrinking and growing.  It
> gets the worst when the cube becomes so large that it exceeds the limits
> of my imagination, where I would then feel like all hope in everything
> is lost.  At this point, I can feel my physical body floating in this
> darkness.  All gravity is gone and I can't tell if I'm lying down or
> standing up.  It's only when I open my eyes again that I snap out of it.
>	What I've just described is rather vague, but I can't really describe
> it any further because the rest can't really be related to the five
> senses.  It's a totally different experience (one that I don't hope to
> be having soon).  

This sounds rather familiar to me ... although my experience is even less 
distinct than that which you describe. Sometimes when drifting into a light
sleep (yes, basically more conscious than unconscious, on the verge of
being awake) I get this strange 'dream' - more like a sensation that cannot
be entirely visualised - of something immensely big and dark - as you say, 
bigger than the limits of imagination - which tends to create a feeling
of total insignificance or - I dunno - something like that. I don't see
cubes though, in fact I'm not sure if I even see anything - but am just aware
of this vast shadowy floating body. I feel a certain sense of futility or
something but nowhere near the extent to which you describe - apocalypse etc.
I think I tend to 'fall' out of this state and drop into my bed - but I 
haven't had the experience for a few months now and am not totally clear on
it.

Well I hope this was of some interest - I just felt the need to reply 
because this is a really bizarre feeling which I have not heard mentioned
by anyone else before.

Simmo
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gj156879@prince.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Why you can't move when you wake
Keywords: waking up is hard to do.
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:05:39 GMT

I have read and heard in various places that the body is shut off
(USUALLY!) when you are dreaming, so that you won't leap out a window,
or move about while in a dream.  The only exception would be your
eyes.  As stated in one book called LUCID DREAMING (I forget the
author) he proved that REM is actually you moving your eyes around to
"see" what's going on in the dream.
 
(In case you're interested...)
He showed this by having people go into a lucid dream and then move
their eyes in a specific pattern (back and forth six times) to send a
signal.
 
Anyway, back to not being able to move, I suspect that what is
happening is you are only half awake, and your body is still in the
state of motionless dream sleep.  Sorry, but I don't know any more
than that.  I'd be interested in the neurochemical/biological nature
of the matter, myself.  
 
A variant on the above would be when you are falling in a dream, you
wake up, (regain body control) and then your body jerks as if it hit
the ground.  The delayed reaction could be interrpreted as being
caused by the motionless dream state.

                              Nik
                              Dreaming a BIG dream...
 

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: BL.DKS@forsythe.stanford.edu (WhiteFeather)
Subject: Re: How do I dream?
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 04:22:26 GMT

In article <4607@equinox.unr.edu>,
sprague@unssun.nevada.edu (Joan A. Sprague) writes:
>
>
>    Well this may seem like a stupid question, but how do I dream?  I mean
> I sometimes have dreams, and they are all very extensive and vivid, but
> how do I "Force" myself to dream everynight?
>            Thanks
>              J.S

You do dream every night, although you may not remember these dreams
every morning. There have been some good suggestions from this group
about learning to remember your dreams. I think it's good to start
out by having a notebook and pen beside your bed, and before you go
to sleep, imagine yourself remembering your dreams in the morning.
Picture yourself writing it down in your notebook.
When you wake in the morning, just lie there quietly -- and see if
comes to you. Even if it's in bits & pieces, soon you'll begin to
remember more.
Keep on trying!  Good Luck.
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: dream love
From: jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:14:19 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

i would say the dream in question is a precognitive one of sorts...

i had a dream recently in which there was a woman i didn't know in my waking
life and it turns out that she was a friend of a friend's, and she apparently
remembered the dream too!  i think we know a lot more entities than we know in
our waking lives, and there is much more to everyone than can be seen or easily
discovered :)

i have also had dreams involving people/entities whom i believe i know in
nonphysical reality though i do not know them (at all/well) in the physical
(yet?)

hope this is helpful,

Jude
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: ksdavis@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Karleenus Schwartz Davis)
Subject: Re: The dream that won't die. . .
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 03:44:11 GMT

About my dream man, I said:
>>Any thoughts on how I can kill this guy?  As soon as it
>>turns into a lucid dream, I lose it, so can't just warp the
>>reality of the dream at will.  I must remain "unconscious".

[And the voice of the masses says, "Ask him why/who/what. . ."]

Unfortunately, it's never a lucid dream.  I don't even know
it's a dream at all until halfway through bashing his head in,
and as soon as I realize it, I drift into dreamless sleep.

So I can't strike up a conversation, because as soon as I
decide to do anything in the dream, my mind says, "Aw, geez,
you mean this is a DREAM??  Stop that!" and turns it off.

-sz
From: heard@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: ...
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:24:23 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

In article <1992Oct5.154051.11966@hubcap.clemson.edu>, 
safrin@hubcap.clemson.edu (steven b afrin) writes:

[ deletions ]
 
> Tell me, do ALL dreams have to mean something about my subconscious
> mind?  Do I have to interpret all of them?  Or can some dreams maybe
> just be an escape from reality?  A simple fun-loving, self-indulging
> fantasy?  Maybe?
 
In talking about dreams it is usuallu not a matter of 
"either / or" but of "yes and yes". 

Obviously, all dreams are generated by a part of your
self. When you are not consciously controling the dream
(as in lucid dreaming), it is being generated by an
unconscious part of the self. Thus a dream is a window 
on the concerns of unconscious parts of the self. 
Sometimes these concerns are profound, sometimes 
trivial, sometimes frightening, sometimes fun.

No, you don't have to interpret them, but I believe
that you loose out if you don't. To me interpreting
doesn't kill the fun, so you have a choice between fun
plus insight or just fun. 

But, of course, fun is a great thing to get from your
dreams. 

Take care
Ronno
--------------------------------------------------------------
For dreams and reason, against authority and untested beliefs.
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: ksdavis@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Karleenus Schwartz Davis)
Subject: Re: Lucidity and me.
Keywords: dtr
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 06:09:23 GMT

[Concerning flying in dreams]

Whenever I'm not in danger but I find I can't run (or that
I run like I'm in water {sex?}), which is extremely common
for me, I usually decide that flying might work better.  

(When I'm dreaming lucidly, I mean.)

-sz
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: bolakk@reis62.alleg.edu (Kimberly Bolak)
Subject: dream lover
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:29:50 GMT

I have a seemingly silly question.  For two and a half years now I keep  
dreaming about someone whom, in my dreams, I love very much.  If I ask him  
his name, he says he can't tell me because it would ruin our future  
together.  I can't remember anything about him except basically the feel  
of his presence.  Is this possibly a precognative dream or just fantasy?

Thanks for any help--
Kimberly
bolakk@alleg.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gj156879@prince.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Lucid dream lights, and more. Please help.
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 02:50:26 GMT

All,
 
          So i decided what my term paper would be about and now I
need some help.  The idea goes like this:
 
          Lucid dreaming would help depressed people, in the sense
that by being given a sense of control and power from their dreams,
this sensation would carry over into waking life.  I'd want to compare
three groups:  regular group therapy, therapy plus lucid dreaming
techniques taught, therapy with lucid dreaming and the dream light
thing that induces dreams.
 
I've been told there may be a problem in that some antidepressants can
interfere with REM sleep.  Does anyone know if this is true, or how
true?

Plus, I'd need some more information on the lucid dream light thing.
(I even forgot what it was called!)  Could whoever bought one, and
whoever was selling them, and whoever knows ANYTHING send me email
please please please.  I might even buy one of these things
eventually, if they work as promised...  
 
          All help, comments, replies will be GREATLY appreciated, and
rewarded with promp replies of "THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU". (grin)

                                                            Nik
From: ka@inf.rl.ac.uk (Khalid Akram)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Lucid Dreaming
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:53:30 GMT
Organization: Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Informatics Department, U.K.

Netters reading this group would be interested to know that
a few years ago "Omni" featured a whole section on Lucid
dreaming; it also gave directions as to how one could achieve
the lucid state and also how one could attempt to fly once in that
state. If anyone wants to know more about the exact article then
mail me and I'll dig it out.

My own experience with Lucid dreaming. I attempted to meet Victoria
Principle at my local athletcis track (Oxford, UK), (had a crush
on her since watching dallas at an early age -> I know "Sad Case").
Although I didn't manage to meet "Vicky", I managed to do 100M
with just one stride -> I glided over the entire distance; and
it felt really good. Possibly dreams like this could enhance an
athletes performance as they could visualise themselves doing
these amazing feats; or remember doing them in a dream; I think
Omni said something like that

Finally: I had a dream where I, other characters, the landscape,
in fact everything were in Cartoon form. Now this was fun, like
being in virtual reality in a dream. As I moved around the sceney
changed, people moved, even my hands were in "cartoonese".
The type of cartoon was similar to "Battle of the Planets".
Did you get that in the states?

Bye!

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