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From: albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: A few thoughts (Was IRONMAN on Olympics)
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:41:30 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

In article <1993Jan25.223344.1@vax2.winona.msus.edu> tyger@vax2.winona.msus.edu writes:
>In article <kfMqieW00iV1Q5dWJ0@andrew.cmu.edu>,
>         ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alexander Franklin Rose) writes:
>> 	<1993Jan22.170836.24304@nastar.uucp>
>> Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
>> In-Reply-To: <1993Jan22.170836.24304@nastar.uucp>
>> 
>> 
>>    The IPPA attempted to get an exihibition game into the last Olympics,
>> I think however it would be far more probable for the upcoming Summer
>> Games in Atlanta '96.  I'll talk to Jessica Sparks about it and see if
>> anything is in the works. ...On the exhibition subject
>> however there are already exhibition games at Sports and Boats shows...
>> (and) someone in Pennsylvania that is interested in promoting an arena
>> paintball curcuit kinda like the Monster Truck thing.  I'll try to keep
>> you postedf.
>
>(Sorry, the media in me had to shorten it.)
>
>Anyhow, yeah.  A 'traveling show' would work, however there are certain
>problems to overcome.  SAfety first, the netting needed would have to be 
>either really long or 'dome' shaped.  There's also that war thing.  Would
>cammouflage be disalowwed?  If so, what do you suppose that people
>should wear?  I open this to the public.
>

In the case of exhibition speedball, you can probably play without camo's.
Perhaps, brightly styled flourescent green/yellow/red costumes could be
used, so that spectators can tell who is on which team.  You might even get
away with using differnet colored football jerseys. :)

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From: hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: RULES?
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:08:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <C15swI.88A@cpqhou.se.hou.compaq.com>, pipkinsj@cpqhou.se.hou.compaq.com (Jeff Pipkins ) writes:
> 
> I'm interested in seeing any standardized (IPPA?) rules for various
> paintball games.  This wasn't in the FAQ -- if any of you have something
> like this, I'd love to see it.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
Have you checked out the new NPPL rules in the March issue of
Paintball Sports International?

Joey Hargis 'Hollywood'
IPPA #6419
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: justin@seas.smu.edu (Justin Anderson)
Subject: Re: F-1 vs. F-2?
Organization: School of Engineering and applied science; S.M.U.; Dallas, Tx
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:47:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.234912.9299@informix.com> coburn@informix.com (David Coburn) writes:
>Has anybody tried out the new F2 Illustrator?  Any better than the F1?  I'm
>getting ready to buy my first gun, and my brother in law is trying to
>convince me to get one or the other.  So far, it's the only gun I've tried
>out (I'm somewhat new to this), and I plan on trying some others before I
>buy.  Recomendations, anybody?
>
>Thanks,
>
>David Coburn                                 coburn@informix.com
>Informix Software, Inc.                    ...uunet!infmx!coburn
>=========================================================================
>Any opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of Informix 
>(or for that matter, anybody else).
>=========================================================================

   I just used an F-2 this weekend.  Personally, I would stick with an f-1,
   despite all of the improvements that they claim to have made.  First of
   all, the trigger pull is more like a 68-special now.  Not that that is
   bad, but that is just how it is.  The barrel can be pulled out, instead
   of screw-out, but that doesn't make much diff. anyway.  And, some of the
   internals have been changed slightly.  When me and my friend(with f-1)
   got into a major firefight...(about 300 in a min. or so), both our bottles
   chilled.  But with the f-1, the cocking arm is in easy reach on the side,
   while on the f-2, the cocking arm is on top.  (BTW..had a red-dot on the f-2
   with rails)  Well, needless to say, the arm is much harder to cock not only
   b/c of the rails in the way, but also b/c of increased spring strength.  
   Basically, if your out of air or chilled, you cant even do the cock/shoot
   routine.  So, stick with an f-1 and save yourself the problems.  BTW...
   they both shoot about the same.  

   Justin
   justin@seas.smu.edu

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From: st923265@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Jeff Stein)
Subject: Re: Indoor place in Lawrence Ma.
Reply-To: st923265@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:45:23 GMT


I have played at the indoor field in Lawrence MA, its actually owned and run
by Canobie Paintball.  It is a nice field that looks a lot like the outdoors
with bunkers, trees and even a tank. It is very expensive though (something
like $30 just to get a gun and air--they charge you for your first air even
if you rent a gun).  The only problem I had was that the refs seemed a little
biased--of course I was playing against their home team the Wild Geese.  
I'd tell people that the field was worth trying at least once, but they might
want to look at the USI indoor field in Brockton or the new field in Boston.
They are both supposed to be nice fields.  If they do go to Canobie, I'd like to hear wha they thought., IF they want to try USI, tell them to talk to Steve
and tell Steve that Jeff Stein from Brandeis sent them.
From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Cost of Minicocker
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 12:18:33 PST
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

So, Zander, who do I call to have this minicocker built? 

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From: hauschil@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Silent One)
Subject: Apex Elite
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: info
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:33:21 GMT

I'm posting for a friend who would like to get another gun but can't make up hismind.  I would like to hear opinions about the Apex and any comparable gun in 
the price range.

                   Jeff
/ I just ask the questions /
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Subject: Re: Pump and Semi range
From: tyger@vax2.winona.msus.edu
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:52:41 CST
Organization: Winona State University

In article <1993Jan27.090057.19766@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, agillum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Aaron C Gillum) writes:
> Could someone explain to me how a pump gun shooting at 300 fps can possible 
shoot farther than a semi shooting at 300 fps (providing they are both shooting
> straight)?
> 
I hear these stories of people 'out distancing' semis and it doesn't make much 
> sense to me.
> 
> I can give you accuracy.
> Aaron

Gladly.  I'll try

Well, remember that paintguns (or was that 'paintthrower' this week?) work
on compressed CO2.  This is a cold gas.  (OK, so I learned most of this in 
my 'Physics is Phun' book, sorry.)
When a semi get's put through the paces, the CO2 cools down, letting less gas
through the gun.  So, all in all, the semi will go down in FPS when it is rapid
fired.  Trust me, this isn't any fun when it's a 20 Farenheight (sp!  I KNOW!)
day in lovely Minnesota...

I love this place.

-Tyger
From: jimmy@solace.hsh.se (Jimmy Persson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Phantom!!
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:40:41 GMT
Organization: Solace Computer Club, Sundsvall, Sweden

Well.. I just want to say that i have played with a sterling stp for about
2 months now and i have not had any problems with it..

No balls breaked or such things..  Buy a smart part for the sterling
and u have one of the best pumps u can have...

I love my sterling stp.. 


jimmy persson...
From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: ANTI PAINTBALLERS???
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 14:40:50 PST
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Monday January 25 1993 09:30, Pete Hardie wrote to All:

 PH> Continue to play - get field owners to enforce safe handling (barrel
 PH> plugs, correct goggle wear, etc)
 PH> Encourage others to play for fun instead of 'kills' - discourage the
 PH> ultimate badsportmanship of newbie hunting.
 PH> If people who play well leave, the sport will vanish.

So true! The fields here in Northern California are very good about safety
as far as goggles go. Some require plugs, some don't. I haven't once seen
a field owner admonish players to keep their muzzles pointed "up, and down
range" (the military term for the direction a bullet could go without hurting
anyone) when not playing.

I'm a veteran, and turning around to look into the bore of a paintball gun
being nonchalantly pointed in the rest area doesn't do my serenity any good.
I know its "just a paintball marker", but it bothers me anyway. It reminds
me of a real weapon, even though my mind knows I'm playing a game. If the
field owners would be more emphatic about removing air sources and keeping
the muzzles pointed away from people when off the playing field, a lot of
players would learn safe firearms handling (some of it), and not even know
it. I've been thinking about building a speedball stadium (outdoors), and
if I ever do it, you can bet I'll mention it. :-)

John



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From: albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku)
Subject: Re: IRONMAN on Olympic particulars
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 07:12:08 GMT

In article <cfNkHia00iV306iXpW@andrew.cmu.edu> Alexander Franklin Rose <ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Hey kids,
>    I think the only form of paintball that could be entered into the
>Olympics would be a speed ball of sorts in which camoflauge and even
>black guns would be useless.  Regulation gun and outfit colors could be
>easily enforced and would take the very far away from WAR.  The
>speedball format makes reffing very easy and T.V. coverage actually
>entertaining.
>
>Zander of the IRONMEN

Complete with "black lites" and glow-in-the-dark paintballs. ^_^  Though, I
think that would go better with the American Gladiators crowd.
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From: peterbi@microsoft.com (Peter Biddle)
Subject: Re: Phantom!!
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:54:42 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: usa

>Damn right, I haven't played with either a  mini-mag or a mini-cocker yet
>but from what I've seen, the best semi in the world is the automag! BTW, 
>have you actually played with a Sterling.  I'm thinking about either a 
>Sterling or a Grey Ghost and I really need more input from people who
>have played with them.  I can only find people who know people who have
>played with them.
>		Thanx

I have played with a LAPCO Grey Ghost a few times; I also run LAPCO internals
in my Bushmaster.  The Grey Ghost I played with was a 14" California CA--my only
concern with it was its height.  It was a tad on the top heavy side, but this may
be only due to the configuration (and the 55 gal drum used for ammo...).  It
was very accurate, quieter than a Phantom, and very efficient.  You can't buy
a Nelson based gun that is better IMHO.

The LAPCO internals I use are awesome; I use a 6 mm jet, the solid Delrin cup, and
the lightweight hammer and bolt.  I get over 350 shots out of a 3.5 oz tank--if
I slap a 12" hose on it and use a quick changer, I can get 38-40 shots per 12 gram.
(If you are suprised by this, think of the looks I get on a field.)  BTW--I can shoot
those shots as fast as I want because the liquid C02 has already changed to gas.
The first shot runs at about 290, the 38th at 260.  Of course, the 40th runs at a nice
walking pace...  But 12 gr aren't cost effective or environmentally friendly, so I
rarely use them these days.

Back to your original question--TRY before you buy.  Sounds like both guns are in the
top 10% of HW available--it is up to personal preference.
From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Hamilton Hobbies
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 22:56:23 PST
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Hamilton Hobbies will be opening in its new location in a few weeks.
The information is as follows:
 
Hamilton Hobbies
1117 Shasta Avenue
San Jose, CA 95126
 
I will post the phone number when confirmed by the phone company. I will
have an 800 overlay on it for my out-of-state customers.
 
Until then, you can reach me as usual by email, or call (408) 252-4872.
 
John 

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From: st923265@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Jeff Stein)
Subject: Re: Phantom!!
Reply-To: st923265@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:18:06 GMT

Damn right, I haven't played with either a  mini-mag or a mini-cocker yet
but from what I've seen, the best semi in the world is the automag! BTW, 
have you actually played with a Sterling.  I'm thinking about either a 
Sterling or a Grey Ghost and I really need more input from people who
have played with them.  I can only find people who know people who have
played with them.
		Thanx
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From: hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: ANTI PAINTBALLERS suck!
Date: 25 Jan 93 12:11:20 CST
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <cyang.727829435@unixg.ubc.ca>, cyang@unixg.ubc.ca (Christopher Yang) writes:
> In <4057@isgtec.isgtec.com> robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne) writes:
> 
>>NOTE:  I've cross-posted to talk.politics.guns ...
> 
>>Ambone Gilles (ambone@imag.fr) wrote:
>>: Please, don't confuse paintball guns and real firearms.
>>: [...] Then people can easily think that
>>: there is a large similarity between having a PB gun and a firearm.
> 
>>: I hate firearm but I enjoy paintball, because the spirit of the sport
>>: is very accentuate on fun and not on any symbolic representation of
>>: war, defense, or whatever like that.
> 
> What are you talking about? Are you denying that paintball is based
> on a military style exercise?  Sure paintball has evolved to the point
> where it is now a fun 'game', but so have shooting sports.
> I was a hard core paintball player before I took up action shooting,
> and I saw many, MANY people who played for the sole purpose of racking
> up 'kills'.  Their terminology, not mine. 

Volley ball uses the term 'kills'. Let's ban volleyball too!

Joey Hargis 'Hollywood'
Anti-Anti-Paintballer
IPPa #6419
From: D.G.Legros@bradford.ac.uk (DG LEGROS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: ANTI PAINTBALLERS???
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:27:46 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 92356597@ccw313
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

John Hamilton (john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG) wrote:
: Friday January 22 1993 15:02, Robert Osborne wrote to All:
: 
:  RO> Anything that can fire a .68 calibre projectile at 450+ fps *IS* a
:  RO> firearm.  If you put an aluminum alloy ball, marble or ball bearing in
:  RO> a paintball gun, cranked your gun up as high as it would go, and fired
:  RO> at a sheet of plywood, you would quickly demonstrate this to yourself.
:  RO> (Warning: don't try this at home, kids!)
: 
: Thank goodness you are wrong. Otherwise, I'd need an FFL to buy them for
: the store, and you'd need to wait 7 days and have your background checked
: before you could pick yours up. By the way, a ball bearing at 450 fps will
: not kill unless it strikes the skull just so, and even then, its unlikely.
: A .22 short has far more inertial mass when it strikes than this theoretical
: ball bearing.
: 
: John
: 
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And it would probably screw your barrel up completely!!

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From: brian@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu (Brian Louis Rogers  (BLuR))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball,alt.sport.paintball,
Subject: IPPA phone Number
Followup-To: rec.sport.paintball,alt.sport.paintball
Date: 27 Jan 1993 15:53:08 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois, Materials Research Labs Cent. for Computation, Operations Office
Distribution: world
Reply-To: rogers@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: uimrli.mrl.uiuc.edu

A few weeks ago I found myself awake at some
god-aweful time of the morning and watching the
televised paintball games (espn, early on 
saturdays and sometimes early sundays).  During
one of the commercials it gave a number of
IPPA where you could call to get information
and registration packets.  Well, I wrote
the number down and finally got
around to calling them today.  I was greeted with
"The number you have reached...calls are being taken
by...."


Anyone know what the deal is?  


Old Number:   1-800-422-6720
New Number:  1-619-695-8882

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From: mark8@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (mark.d.thacker)
Subject: Pro-Am & Other Gear For Sale
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:39:32 GMT

Anyone Interested,

I am selling off all of my paintball gear because I am
leaving the sport.  The price is now reduced because I
have sold off my mask. (See Article 1800)  Following are
the items which I have left:

	Tippmann Pro-Am with a 10 Ounce Tank
	Aftermarket Barrell with Muzzle Break - Made by John Sullivan
	120 Round Gun Bulk Loader
	A Couple of 80 Round Bulk Loaders With Holders
	Other Small Misc Items

The price now for these items is $230 which is a very good
price.  If you are interested, please contact me at:

	Mark Thacker
	(614) 860-6367
	mark@cblpe.att.com


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From: phardie@nastar.uucp (Pete Hardie)
Subject: Re: Paintball in the Olympics
Organization: Digital Transmission Systems, Duluth, GA.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:26:51 GMT

In article <d2jo.727807392@dtek.chalmers.se> d2jo@dtek.chalmers.se (Johnny Johanson) writes:
>phardie@nastar.uucp (Pete Hardie) writes:
>>I would think that 'outdoors' paintball would be hard to watch as a spectator,
>>and perhaps a little too easy to cheat.
>
>But it would be pretty neat to watch on TV if you put a helmet-cam on every
>player!!!

Only if they stablize the image...I've gotten nauseous watching a rafting
video...

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From: christos@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (No Soul)
Subject: Re: ANTI PAINTBALLERS???
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Reply-To: christos@ics.uci.edu (No Soul)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:15:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.210135.2005@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton) writes:
>
>
>	OB scary fantasy:   I'm sure everyone who has played has thought
>of this one:  what if you were at a game and some maniac decided to
>really kill people?

	Here's another scary fantasy:  what if you are at McDonalds and
some maniac decided to kill people?

	Maniacs can surface anywhere, not just on the paintball field.  I
have yet to hear of a paintball fatality, where as mass murderers show up
all over the place.

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From: zcahhrm@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Ralph Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Phantom!!
Date: 24 Jan 93 17:41:05 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

st923265@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Jeff Stein) writes:

>Damn right, I haven't played with either a  mini-mag or a mini-cocker yet
>but from what I've seen, the best semi in the world is the automag! BTW, 
>have you actually played with a Sterling.  I'm thinking about either a 
>Sterling or a Grey Ghost and I really need more input from people who
>have played with them.  I can only find people who know people who have
>played with them.
>		Thanx

Right, living as i do in London I've been using a Sterling(STP) on and off
ever since their original production. The guys who make this gun are
_extremely_ proud of it and put an awful lot of work into improving it,
technically the gun is brilliant, an exceptionally smooth pump and a 
fairly soft trigger pull with the most consistantly accurate firing of any
gun I've ever used, maintaining them is real easy and the only problem
you might experience is getting spare parts (since your in the states)
in the unlikely event that the gun were to require a few new bits, one
extra bonus is the nice gas eficciency, about 700 shouts from a 7oz!
IMHO if you want a pump buy a sterling, it'll save it's own value in hose-
paint fairly quickly if you play regualarly.

		Ralph Martin