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From: dmarner@nusdecs.uucp (Dan "Marmoset" Marner)
Subject: Re: continuity lacking
Organization: National University, San Diego
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:50:50 GMT

In article <revillot-061092091832@mm-mac23.mse.uiuc.edu> revillot@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Judy Tolliver) writes:
>The season, so far, seems to totally lack continuity.  The characters seem
>to have ceased their development from last season.  Case in point:  Last
>night Maggie is surprised that Joel offered to help her.  But just the week
>before, he paddled up a river to do just that.
>
   But paddling up the river was a different sort of help. He was doing
his job, and doing what most decent human beings would do if they knew that
only they had the ability to (potentially) save someone's life. Also, I
don't think Maggie was surprised that Joel was _willing_ to help to help
her, she was more surprised that he was so dang chipper about it! Joel
has in the past displayed an occasional willingness to pitch in, but 
almose always with lots of attendant grumbling.

>Another thought:  It would have been interesting if Maggie did decide to
>sleep with Joel, which I believe last season was building up to anyway, and
>then just before doing the deed, Joel falls asleep.
>
>Am I expecting too much from this show?

   Too little, I think. It wouldn't be very clever of the writers to pull
the same trick twice. If they decide to do another failed-attempt-at-IT   
episode, I imagine they will at least come up with another excuse. An
inopportune groin pull, for instance. Or perhaps a skunk related disaster.
I hope they don't though; too many shows like that and the audience tires
of wondering "what will stop them this time?" You can only get so much
plot development out of sexual tension, and it gets tedious when overdone.
Look at the last couple seasons of Moonlighting, fer instance.
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From: el27166@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (This Space for Rent)
Subject: Re: Episde 10/12 and other stuff
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:36:49 GMT

sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:

>In article <revillot-131092090649@mm-mac21.mse.uiuc.edu> revillot@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Judy Tolliver) writes:
>>This episode was almost like watching a different show but with the same
>>actors and sets.  The mathematician reminded me of Daryl Hannah in Roxanne.
>> Overall, upon first viewing, I didn't like it.  Most of the characters
>>seemed more exaggerated than usual.

>I know what you mean.  This episode just didn't seem right.

Yeah, would Maurice really give that sappy speech to Rolf?  That I
don't know.  Would Chris fling his bike?  Maybe.

>Simon
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From: ekd@cray.com (Ellen Dona)
Subject: Re: Maggie a babe
Keywords: babe maggie
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:57:29 CDT

In article <jp.2@usafa.af.mil> jp@usafa.af.mil (J P) writes:
>How many you out there think Maggie is a babe?


Oh, PLEASE!  MUST we be subjected to such INANE, stereotype-preserving
adjectives such as "babe?"  


Ellen
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From: radioman@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Y.S. Chang)
Subject: Re: Episde 10/12 and other stuff
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 18:37:46 GMT

In article <Bw5H1F.BKH@news.cso.uiuc.edu> el27166@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (This Space for Rent) writes:
>sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>
>>In article <revillot-131092090649@mm-mac21.mse.uiuc.edu> revillot@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Judy Tolliver) writes:
>>>This episode was almost like watching a different show but with the same
>>>actors and sets.  The mathematician reminded me of Daryl Hannah in Roxanne.
>>> Overall, upon first viewing, I didn't like it.  Most of the characters
>>>seemed more exaggerated than usual.
>
>>I know what you mean.  This episode just didn't seem right.
>
>Yeah, would Maurice really give that sappy speech to Rolf?  That I
>don't know.  Would Chris fling his bike?  Maybe.
>
>>Simon
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Hmmm. I definitely got some chuckles out of the episode, but y'all are right,
there's something missing from the mix. It feels a bit contrived, you know...
the main characters seeming a bit like stereotypes of themselves, and the
magical unpredictable NX juxtapositions slowly fading away... 

For example, Joel is called on to do his New Yorker schtick. Maggie pouts.
Chris narrates, but seems to be muddying the waters instead of revealing
patterns. Etc, etc. Maybe they're just trying to introduce new viewers to the
characters and we'll get more nuance in future episodes.

I'm optimistic for now, though. The premiere really disappointed me, but things
seem to be warming up. A romance for Chris is a good idea. (Unfortunately, I
was unimpressed with the actress. I bet she'll be in the next episode, and
Rolf won't. Too bad.)


Dave

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From: sorsha@wam.umd.edu (Dreaming)
Subject: Re: Macs and NEXP revisited
X-Dogcow: moof
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:26:17 GMT


When Amy says that she's going down to Anchorage(? was it?) to buy
time on their supercomputer, did anyone else wonder why she didn't
just dial in from home?  Ah well.  :-)

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From: tom@uts.cc.wayne.edu (Thomas Richard Stevenson)
Subject: Re: Kids...
Organization: Wayne State Univ.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:42:34 GMT

bartlone@gemed (Mike Bartolone 5-4266) writes:


>A few weeks ago, there was a discussion about the lack of kids on NX.
>I saw one in the season opener, and two more last night..was there
>ever any resolution to the discussion?

Do you think that maybe, just maybe, someone from NX is reading this
news group??? Na....

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From: barb@ufycorp.Unify.Com (Barbara Kane)
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Subject: Re: our Flying Man
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:59:23 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

You can catch Bill Irwin in sooo many films.  Usually wherever there's a
physical bit to be played.  Check out _Hot Shots_.  He's Charlie Sheen's
father.  The guy who goes out onto the wing while the plane is flying and
tries to keep it together.


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From: jjd3@po.CWRU.Edu (James J. Dibenedetto)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: O Episode Namers...Hark!
Date: 13 Oct 1992 18:09:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: jjd3@po.CWRU.Edu (James J. Dibenedetto)
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In a previous article, puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett) says:

>O people who know episode names, from what source we mere mortals can
>only assume we are barred....8-)
>
>what is the name for the 10-12 Bye-Bye-Hoggie show? It's time to 
>label my VCR taper...
>
The TV section of the sunday paper here (the Buffalo News) gives episode
titles for some shows (NEXP being one of them)...

This week's was called "Nothing's Perfect"


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From: toten@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (Derek Toten)
Subject: Re: Midnight Sun Episode
Organization: E.E. Dept., Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 05:30:37 GMT
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	To all those who have been discussing the continuity of the last two 
episodes...

	"Midnight Sun" is set in mid-summer.  It looks like summer out there,
but more importantly, the midnight sun is going to occur during the
summer solstice, i.e. June 22 (or there abouts).  This episode is clearly 
taking place well before our current viewing time.  Sort of a "What I
Did During My Summer Vacation."

	"Northwest Passages," however, seemed to be set at the same time
we were watching it.  How did I come to that conclusion?  I honestly don't
know.  Maybe it was the clothes, maybe some casual line dropped by
someone.  If someone has any info to back me here, please drop a line!
If this IS the situation, though, it would explain some of the seeming
character inconsistancies that have been noted.  The episodes have 
backtracked!

	BUT even if someone can convince me that "Northwest Passages" is set 
in summer, as well, it still means we have two shows set many months 
previous to the time we are watching them.  This in itself is unusual.

	And...  It was mentioned here some time ago that Darren Burrows, 
during an appearance on a talk show (Leno?  Letterman?), mentioned that
they had already completed at least one episode for this season... and
this was BEFORE Morrow had resolved his salary dispute.  Sounds to me
like we're going to see an episode at some point, sans Dr. Fleishman!
But is also means that we are indeed seeing the episodes outside of
production order.  This, BTW, is not at all unsual.  I've been involved
in more than one series where we did the same thing, though not for the same
reason!

						Derek


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From: tim@asylum.sf.ca.us (Timothy G. Reynolds)
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Subject: more on beer
Keywords: beer
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:30:21 GMT
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It seems to me, from my brief and limited experience in AK that
places that had anything on tap AT ALL had something of the
coors/bud/miller genre.  Admittedly, this was in tourist trap places
in Anchorage.  I tried the only Alaskan-brewed beer I could get my
hands on:  Alaska Amber and Alaska Pale Ale.  The amber was quite
good, subtle but not weak with a good finish.  I don't, as a rule,
like pale ales.  

What does being from the Bay State have to do with Sam Adams?  The
stuff wasn't brewed anywhere NEAR Mass. until relatively recently.  I
believe it was at first brewed exclusivley in Philly.  Sam Adams is
apretty good brew, but it's hardly "boston's own"

obnexp:  Maggie IS a babe!
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From: eugene@briar.lle.rochester.edu (Eugene Kowaluk)
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Subject: Chris's Bike
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:21:15 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester Computing Center


Charles Blair writes:
> ar619@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jaime Villacorte) writes:
> 
> >    So I wonder what Chris will have to sacrifice next when he
> >accidentally knocks off another of his SO's pets? His pickup truck?
> >His record collection? Bernard? Look out below!
> 
>    I got the impression that Chris isn't going to see her again.  That
> the bicycle destruction was a sort of closure.


I thought she was reading a bike catalog at the end of the show not allowing
for that closure.
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From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: NExp Characters elsewhere...
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:01:24 GMT

In article <d-*vHs0+3a@atlantis.psu.edu> cramer@vivaldi.psu.edu writes:
>Ok....I don't know which of these have been mentioned in the long running
>which-actor-was-in-what discussions, but here's my own discoveries:
>John Columm (Holling....excuse the spelling =) was in the classic Post-
>World-War-III miniseries, _The Day After_....he played a farmer who survives
>the initial destruction of the midwest. The guy who plays Maurice played the
>general or some such person in the Pentagon in the classic hacker movie, _War
>Games_...(very similar to Maurice I might add...) And Janine Turner, everyone's
>favorite Maggie O'Connel was naked and murdered in the classic cheezy horror
>flick..._Monkey Shines_...she's only in it for about 2 minutes or so from
>what I remember....I don't even think she has many, if any, lines...I just
>remember seeing her lying in bed with some other character.
>
"The Day After" is one of my all-time favorite films, right up there with
"War of the Worlds","Fail-Safe","Dr. Stranglove", and "By Dawns Early Light".
Hmmm--is there a pattern in this??  :-)   seriously--I saw Mokey Shines a
couple of times, really bad movie--didn't even notice Turner in it.  The
guy who plays Maurice was also in an ultra-stupid 1982 film called "Sixpack",
he played a small-town Texas sherriff.  Don't look for this one at your local
From: dennist@sw.stratus.com (Dennis Tetreault)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Miscellany
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:28:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

Howdy,

I have also read "contact" by Sagan. Thought it was OK. A few similarities struck
me after first reading the thread.
Those who have not read "Contact" but plan to, skip now so I don't ruin it for you. 
I'll wait....... (whistling "inchworm" here).............

OK. As we saw in the episode, Rick's new friend is looking for some message from
God in the 30 billion range. In Contact, NASA is monitoring the heavens for a
message from the stars, and begins to receive broadcasts from the stars, which
are intertwined with our TV broadcasts that went out starting in the 30's.
In the return broadcast, many messages are found embroiled within those broad-
casts leading to building a spaceship, blah blah blah, and eventually we see that
the use of Pi brings some sacred message from God or the Stars.  What I found
rather ironic is that this episode was broadcast on Monday, 10/12. That Monday
is the same day that NASA began a $100 million, 10 year SETI project. 2 (?) large
dishes (Aricibo & ?) began to monitor millions of frequencies from the heavens for
messages from the stars. In Contact, this same dish first detects a message from 
the stars.

Sorry this seems a bit jumbled, but I did think it ironic.
Corrections are tolerated, and encouraged.

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From: lorange@spot.Colorado.EDU (Hans L'Orange)
Subject: Re: Rolf vs. American Beer
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:43:17 GMT

olsen@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Diane Olsen) writes:


>When I was in Vienna about three years ago, I saw a beer truck that said
>"Budweiser" on the side.  Everything about it except the name was 
>completely different from the American logo -- for example, the colors
>were green and gold rather than red, white, and blue.  I was so struck
>(not literally!) by this un-Budweiser-like Bud truck that I took a
>photo of it.  So maybe there's a European "Budweiser" that's completely
>independent of the one we know and love (or hate), and maybe that's
>what Rolf thought he ordered.  All right, it's far fetched, but so
>are lots of things to do with NEXP....

You are 100% right on here.  There is a German beer called Budweiser that is
a totally different product.  Rolf would not have seen that logo in the Brick
however and the pronunciation is differnt.

Hans

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From: conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad)
Subject: Re: Rolf and Joel: who will stay?
Keywords: my theory 
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:24:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.190441.19828@news2.cis.umn.edu> alberti@mudhoney.micro.umn.edu (Albatross) writes:

>Okay, my wife think's I'm crazy but I don't:  

Naturally.  Crazy people never think they are.

>I think Rolf (the Clock Fixer)
>WAS JOEL (or at least, was portrayed by the same actor whose name you'd think
>I'd know by now except if you knew me and names and bout the time I forgot my
>cousin's name at a wedding you'd realize isn't so unusual).

Sounds like you also forgot they have guest-star credits right at the
start of each episode.  Two or three names appeared there last night.

>Why do I think that Joel and Rolf are the same actor?

It hardly matters, since you're wrong.

>So am I crazy, or was Rolf portrayed by the same actor as portrays Joel?

You're crazy.  Good luck dealing with it....

Jon Alan Conrad
From: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM (Janice Gelb)
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Subject: Re: Episde 10/12 and other stuff
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:09:33 GMT
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In article 16786@inmet.camb.inmet.com, lenny@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Len Goodman) writes:
>No matter what you thought of this episode (I, for one, really liked it),
>you'll have to admit that this is probably the first time in the history of
>television that there was a toast to "transcendental numbers" on a 
>television program.
>

Not to mention closing with a Danny Kaye song - I knew these guys had 
good taste!


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From: larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings)
Subject: Re: Sacrilege! Blasphemy!
Summary: bicycle
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:47:47 GMT

> ar619@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jaime Villacorte) writes:
> 
> 
>    I got the impression that Chris isn't going to see her again.  That
> the bicycle destruction was a sort of closure.

bicycle?  BICYCLE??  That is certainly the biggest, most powerful, and
beautiful bicycle, that I ever saw.  I wish my parents had bought me a
bicycle like that when I was a kid, sure makes the one they got me pale
by comparison.

Larry Billings
From: ar619@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jaime Villacorte)
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Subject: Re: Sacrilege!  Blasphemy!
Date: 13 Oct 1992 19:51:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ar619@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jaime Villacorte)
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In a previous article, lbrother@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Larry Brothers) says:
>But to push a Harley off a cliff?  Sacrilege!  Blasphemy! 

    Or how about using what looked like a Macintosh IIsi to display
that ugly looking, PI-churning application at the end of the show.
True sacrilege! ;-)  (followups to comp.sys.mac.advocacy)

    So I wonder what Chris will have to sacrifice next when he
accidentally knocks off another of his SO's pets? His pickup truck?
His record collection? Bernard? Look out below!
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From: swisher@cs.utexas.edu (Janet M. Swisher)
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Subject: Re: Episde 10/12 and other stuff
Date: 16 Oct 1992 20:43:58 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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In article <1992Oct14.200410.14665@dptg.att.com> reg@dptg.att.com
(51351[efw]-Regina Mackiewicz(MT4799)1374MT) writes:

>No i really ment "clock fixer" and shelly.  i did not detect any interest
>between him and ed.  i took it as goofy male bonding that ed does.

I did not detect any interest between him and Shelly, either.  They
like the same music and have spoken about 3 words to each other.  I
don't think that constitutes interest.

>what made many posters think that i had erred in my original post.

If that is a question, then the answer is that there was nothing in
the show to back up what you said.  There was *lots* more going on
with Ed.




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From: mccray@swallow.cis.ohio-state.edu (scott andrew mccray)
Subject: Re: Episde 10/12 and other stuff
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:09:02 GMT


In article <1992Oct13.135853.21464@dptg.att.com> reg@dptg.att.com (51351[efw]-Regina Mackiewicz(MT4799)1374MT) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.045107.28845@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>>
>>Ok folks, what did you all think of this weeks episode?? I don't know why,
>>but there was someting missing..HMMM..what..was it...
>
>i feel like something has  been missing all season.  for the last two
>years i felt very entertained by the show this year i don't.  it's
>to the point where i'm only half paying attention and doing odd
>chores in the house while it's on.
>

While I, on the other hand, found it quite entertaining.  It was a truly
remarkable episode.

>is this the first episode where both Maggie and Joel were not present?
>

Although Joel did make a few brief appearances, I found that their absence
did not take anything away from the show.  In fact, it only enhanced the other
stories.  I like Joel and Maggie, but they just didn't belong in last night's
episode, and I was glad to see that an episode could be produced without them.

>who wants to gamble that the "clock fixer" will stay on and make a play
>for shelly?
>

I hope he stays on.  He was a great character, a mechanical genius with a true
appreciation of how all things work and the vitality of life.


A few other notes:

On Saturday evening, a cat jumped out in front of me while I was driving.

In the Brick, Chris was talking about his newfound love to Joel.  In the back-
ground was playing Brooks & Dunn's "My Next Broken Heart"--foreshadowing?

Wow, what a clock!

					Scott



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