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From: regan1016@bestsd.sdsu.edu (T. ELIZABETH HARVEY)
Subject: Re: click!
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Organization: San Diego State University - Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:16:00 GMT

Speaker-to-Minerals observes:
>In article <1992Oct11.161737.708@netcom.com>, aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine) writes:
>>>Habit?  You mean that there are people who actually expect you to
>>>use that phrase?  Yikes...
>>
>>Yup.  Depending on your physical location and your social/work group, it
>>can be easy to forget that many other people lie under the shadow of
>>Political Correctness.  I don't want to start a debate on the subject,
>>but PCness definitely exists, although the threat of it is usually worse
>>than the reality.
> 
>StM agrees, "Aahz is right.  There are actually folks out there who will damn
>near go ballistic if they hear you use the term `handicapped' or `disabled.'

..

>It's similar to the whole silly negro/black/afro-american/person
>of color/african-american thing.  You can make up new words all you want.  They
>still  refer to the same thing, and changing the words won't change the
>underlying reality.

"The underlying reality, of course, being .. human ..." *grin*

Elizabeth slinks under a table with her double mocha and plate of 
strawberries before Spike Lee gets wind of this ...

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Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: vcsc1169@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Ruth Anne Ladue)
Subject: Re: click!
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 07:22:03 GMT

In article <MeqDI1O00awHE4bm4a@andrew.cmu.edu> ml5a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Beirne Lively) writes:
[Lots of prior stuff deleted]
>
>	Sorry to quote the entire thing but it either that or nothing.  ANyway
>this discussion reminds me of a cartoonist/humourist that I read about,
>in I think it was the magazine section of the New York Times a few
>months back, who had some type of disability which forced him to live in
>a wheel chair and like many people he became obnoxious about it.  But
>the exception was in a uniquily constructive way.  He says many of the
>above types of things except through making derogatory slurs.  That just
>about anyone else would get lynched for.  Unfortunatley I can't remember
>his name but he has a book out with some rahter funny stuff in it.
>
>ML5A@ANDREW.CMU.EDU
>"I haven't failed I have discovered 10,000 ways not to make a lightbulb"
>                                        -T Edison.

By sheer coincidence, the cartoonist's name is Callahan. I think his
stuff is pretty funny, too!

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From: rich@theophilus.msfc.nasa.gov (Rich Krum)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Problems of Recognition (was Re: Words
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:30:30 GMT
Reply-To: rich@theophilus.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: Boeing Computer Support Services


>StM suggests, "Hybrid vigor?   It's a well-known (though, to the best of my
>knowledge, unexplained) phenomenon."

If one assumes that "Hybrid vigor" exists, probably yes.  The other, IMHO,
probably more vital effect is a strong (obsessive?) drive on the part of the 
Troll and the Dragon Lady to encourage the kids to excel--we don't lower our
expectations for anybody.  Of course, that attitude has caused a bit of pain
outside the family upon occasion, especially with schools that fail to do their
jobs, and get called out for that.  Most times, however, my wife and I have been
able to flat-out manipulate (shamelessly) the situation to the side of greater
learning and better academic performance on the part of the teachers.  The kids
love to learn about darn near anything, and that is the way the home is oriented.
Why else would we have so many books, and watch so little TV?  Also, this gang has
been computer literate from an early age--the youngest has been diddling computers
since the age of 2.  The reading, writing and mathematic skills they have will last
them a long time.  BTW, the Dragon Lady also goes to school regularly--A's and B's
in tough college level courses, just for the "fun" of it.  The Troll regularly dives
headlong into new computer systems and languages, rassels them into submission, and
gets results.  Hey--learning is lotsa fun--it keeps the brain cells firing instead of
dying.  Besides, I get bored doing the same thing over and over again--probably a 
defective personality!

--rich AKA Boss Troll
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From: Jack.Smoke@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Jack Smoke)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Cristobal Colon
Summary: Not a hero to me
Keywords: AIM, 1492, Lost at Sea
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:17:40 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

Smoke comes in from the party in the meadow and gets a whiskey (Straight,
no chaser) from Mike.  He has changed out of his buckskins, wearing now
the traditional garb of the history teacher, jeans, sweater, and tweed
jacket with leather patches on the elbows.
	He approaches the line, begins to speak.  "Yesterday, 
someone pointed out to me that it was Columbus day, a fact I had
otherwise managed to over look, though I had wondered why the mail man
was so late.  
	"Colombus day.  A grand tradition, taking a day off to play
in honor of a great man.  I, however, like many Americans, do not 
think that Cristobal Colon was a great man.  What did he do?
"Discoverd America?" Balogna.  It was widely known to be here.
	In October of 1492, Colombus' ships, everybody say it
with me now, I know all of us in North America were made to memorize
them in grade school - The Nina, The Pinta and the Santa Maria,
WERE NOT looking for America!  They were looking for CHINA!
They failed!  They made a GROSS navigational error!
	"Colombus was not a spaniard.  So why was he sailing for spain?
Because no one else would have him.  The Norweegans knew you couldn't 
get to China this way - they had been trading with my ancestors for
generations already!  Irish fishermen knew that this land was 
here - they had been setting up summer camps for many years.
Te Portugeese had a famous school of navigation - they laughed
colombus out of the country.
	But spain was desperate.  They needed to compete with 
the Portugeese, who already had an established route to China.
So, they  emptied the prisons into three converted fishing ships, and sent
Colombus on his way.
	Colombus thought the world was round.  By 1492, no one seriously
thought the world was flat any more.  Colombus estimated the circumference
of the earth at aproximatly HALF what it actuallly was, in spite of the
fact that Copunicus had measured the earth to within ten miles of our 
current figure, and that information was available to Colombus.
	He knew he had not reached China, but he could not afford to 
be seen a failure.  The Spanish sent ships and men seeking Gold, 
God, and Glory - usually on the end of a sword.  Colombus 
eventually died in poverty and shame, the laughing stock of 
Europe."
	Smoke pauses a moment.  "I feel compeled to tell you
that these thoughts belong to no one but me.  They do not represent
'Typical american indian thought' or the thoughts of my tribe."
	He raises his Glass.  "To colombus - who was found lost at 
sea in 1492 by Native Americans."  The glass flys to the fireplace.
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From: hgb@catalina.opt-sci.arizona.edu (Hubert Bartels)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: mia again
Keywords: MIA? Not (quite)
Date: 10 Oct 92 04:47:00 GMT
Organization: Optical Sciences Center


	Her ears pricked, Yukipuma looks up from a table in a lesser used
part of Callahan's.  One can tell it's not as commonly used by the size of
the dust bunnies lurking under the tables and chairs.
	"MIA?" She says bemusedly.
	She is another one of Callahan's many felinoids - cat eyes, a mane
of blonde hair, cat ears, fair complexion. As she stands up, the others in
the bar can see that she's dressed in black pants, sleeveless T shirt and
short black jacket.
	"Not quite." She adds.
	She strides across the room to the MIA board and picks up a small
piece of chalk. Thinking for a moment, she then draws a small asterick next
to her name in quiet quick motions.
	"Lurking, is more like it." she continues. She turns on her heel
and starts to return to the dustier part of Callahan's. She stops in front
of another one of Callahan's felinoids, a cat woman with golden downy fur.
	"Hi Thyra!" She smiles.
	Then Yukipuma continues to her table, and sits down. "I'm here,
listening, but haven't got much to say. Also, I'm more apt to be posting
my fiction in alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo, but..." With that, she reopens her
2nd year Japanese language textbook and resumes her studying. "Sukoshi mo
iitaku nai kedomo..."
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Optical Sciences Center (602)-621-2032
University of Arizona   "Uchi-ra wa Buaku-do no Annapuna to Yunipuma ya!" 
Tucson, AZ, USA 85721   "Senshatai Yaburetari!!" Annapuma & Unipuma, Dominion
Organization: Sophomore, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:51:06 -0400 
From: Mark Beirne Lively <ml5a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Cristobal Colon

>	Smoke pauses a moment.  "I feel compeled to tell you
>that these thoughts belong to no one but me.  They do not represent
>'Typical american indian thought' or the thoughts of my tribe."
>	He raises his Glass.  "To colombus - who was found lost at 
>sea in 1492 by Native Americans."  The glass flys to the fireplace.
	"Well by most accounts columbus is considered incompatent.
	"Here here.  A toast, to someone who redefined the word lost.  The only
good thing that came out of his expeditions is that we get a day off
from it.  Oh you can add to list of people who were here first.  There
is evidence that China had ships here about 1000 AD  and they got here
the way.  Not to mention the fact that other Europeans may have beat
him."
	"And a toast to explorers of all sorts.  May good come even though they
may not intend it and may they come back safely even if they don't get
where they are going."

ML5A@ANDREW.CMU.EDU
"I haven't failed I have discovered 10,000 ways not to make a lightbulb"
                                        -T Edison.
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: ArchTeryx's hatchday meal...
Date: 15 Oct 1992 03:35:28 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

Apologies if you receive this twice (as you may very well if you're on a
mailing list version of the group) or if it confuses your newsreader (as it may
very well if you're reading news);  I accidentally CANCELLED the wrong post, so
I'm sending the accidentally cancelled post again.  Sorry about that.

In article <Bw4FF2.I0n@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, rcb33483@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (ArchTeryx) writes:
>"Anybody want to volunteer to rub my crop? *warblemoan* When it's this full...
>it needs help to move food.  Otherwise I get an awful stomachache..."
>
>He looks pleadingly outward...

StM bounds over to Archteryx, and obligingly performs the revuenaM hcilmieH,
the standard technique for aiding birds in this sort of gastroenterological
distress.

He then looks for a refuge from peanuts.
From: braley@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (The Didi-Sprite)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Smoke tells a story
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:22:46 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Originator: braley@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca

In article <1992Oct12.152746.13324@samba.oit.unc.edu> Jack.Smoke@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Jack Smoke) writes:
>Evening falls.  The feast has ended.  THe adults sneak off back
>to the bar, leaving Smoke surrounded by children of many ages,
>clamoring for another story.

[    marvellous story deleted ... you know why.  Sigh.  ]

>The other wolves were afraid to try, so they went away, leaving Rabbitt
>still in the old tree."
>
Didi, who is quite capable of being in more than one place at a time,
claps her hands with glee:  "Good for rabbitt!"  she cries.  

"Got any more stories, Smoke?  I especially like ones with happy
endings!"

Lord Galdrin, who is not far away, chuckles and nods knowingly.

----<--<@

The Didi-Sprite
Montreal * Canada

braley@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca

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From: JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Jay Brandt (Thyra))
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: StM gets a Licking
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:25:50 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon, Architecture

The last we saw of Thyra, Kitten and Speaker to Minerals, was when the big
Kazin was being led off to the back of the room by the attentive feline
females of the place. You see, poor StM had a problem. Just how -does- a
diabetic Kazin get lots of sticky caramel (from one of Phee's caramel
apples) out of his fur? After all, felines usually wash by licking
themselves, or by licking their paw and using that damp paw like a human
would use a washrag. Not a good idea for someone like StM, who shouldn't be
consuming sugar in quantity. 

Thyra, a feline of many forms herself, came up with the simple solution.
Cats groom each other all the time. So she offered to groom StM, with the
assistance of any of the other felines who wanted to help. 

>From the back of the room comes several loud, contented purrs. Thyra is
licking and nibbling at StM's shoulders and right side, while Kitten works
her way around on his delicate ears, his left side, and his chest, and
other felines work over everything else. Some patrons may wonder where all
these feline types came from. Each time you try to count them, another few
felines have crept in from the shadows.

Now you see this roiling pile of playful pussycats, pumas, tigresses, and
feline humans, making sure not one spot on StM's fur bears the least trace
of caramel. Agile tounges and warm, wet paws wash his sticky fur.
Delicately extended claws comb his fur, and remove all traces of matting or
imperfections. Soon we have one thoroughly blissed out, half asleep Kazin,
his fur shining like a wet seal's pelt, laying flat on his tummy as several
sets of paws knead, massage and caress each muscle of his huge frame, until
he purrs. It is a deep, satisfied rumble that comes from StM. 

Thyra, purring herself, chuckles as most of the felines depart back to the
shadows. Now it is just three of them. StM, still flat out on his tummy,
Kitten curled up on one side and toying with his ear, and Thyra kneeling in
a straddled position across the small of his back. Thyra leans forward and
purrs into StM's ear. "Well, now that the caramel's out of your fur, would
you care to join us for a soak in the hot tub?" She gently kneads the
middle of his back as she waits for StM's response.

Purrs,
Thyra
From: mdm@SPARC2.PRIME.COM (Michael D. McAfee)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: eep, a birthday
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:42:48 GMT



		After just missing first place in COAN's rebus contest
	("Bummer.  Oh, well."), the dark elf watches lots of people wish 
	Archteryx a happy birthday.  Ack!  The elf has no present!  
	Quickly he scans the room, looking for whatever he can work with.

		He then spots some things he can use.  He speedily
	takes a couple of napkins and, using the secret origami skill
	he picked up from watching Balde Runner, makes a fairly large
	paper pinwheel.  He attaches it to a straw by way of a toothpick
	(no, not you, Toothpick.  Sheesh! :).  He then "borrows" one
	of the table candles and an empty bottle from the Callahan's
	recycling bin.  The elf then concentrates, making all the elements
	flow into one whole, and...

		The elf goes over to Archteryx.  "Here, I got you this
	custom made feather dryer (kind of like a hair dryer, but made
	especially for avians).  Hope you like it.

		"A-hrrrm. (puts on best Bill Murray impersonation)

		"Happy birthday, to-uu-o you-uou-u
		 Happy birthdai-ee, tu-ou-uou-uo-o you-ouo-ou-ou
		 Happy birthday, you nutty cookoo kind of avian type
			being
		 Happy birthday-ee-ey-y, to-oou-uou-u-o you-uu-u-uu."

		Enjoy.

	Michael, the Chaotic
	disclaimer:  blame my employers for my posts?  how gauche
		
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: braley@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca  (The Didi-Sprite)
Subject: Re: Words
Originator: braley@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:22:59 GMT

In article <Bw2MwF.44C@news.cso.uiuc.edu> trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski) writes:
>liralen:
>>: 
>>: "A hug?"
>
>>Alfvaen proffers kitten a hug too.  "I mean, what the heck...why not..."
>
>"oh.....nothing i love better than a group hug....and that sounds like
>a cue....hey didi....get your buns over here!"
>
>there is very little that kitten likes better than a hug...

At the mention of *hug*, Didi, who is still on line waiting her turn
with Chris, perks up:

"What?  Where?  I am on my way!"



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{  Giggle!  This could be interesting ... the battle of the HUGS!  }

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The Didi-Sprite
Montreal * Canada

braley@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca
Organization: Sophomore, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:51:55 -0400 
From: Mark Beirne Lively <ml5a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Redheads
 <1992Oct13.051805.21291@tamsun.tamu.edu>,<1992Oct13.144120.24569@ra.msstate.edu>
	<1beosuINN552@gap.caltech.edu>

>>   Now, Now, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead. Don't you know ? :-)
>
>Are they?
Is this going to turn into a cascade?

ML5A@ANDREW.CMU.EDU
"I haven't failed I have discovered 10,000 ways not to make a lightbulb"
                                        -T Edison.
From: esti@quads.uchicago.edu (Paul A. Estin)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: visiting LA at the end of February (was Re: In honor of...)
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:28:41 GMT
Reply-To: esti@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: U. Michigan Cognitive Psychology

Snark is talking...
>>"...and decided that I'll most likely check out the warmest of the
>> Left Coast climes at that time."

In article <1beh2uINNi35@gap.caltech.edu> lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:

>StM looks (what else?) confused.  "You mean you're going to visit
>Grant down in San Diego?" he asks.

Snark chuckles.  "No, though I suppose I may wind up taking a day trip
there, or something.  Beats me.  Is the weather signficantly different
in SD vs. LA?  I'd assume they're pretty much identical, though
quite different from Bay area weather."

>[STM] turns serious for a moment and cautions, "Los Angeles in late
>February can get pretty chilly (well, not compared to Chicago [or is
>it Michigan?  Your sig and your return address don't match], of
>course).

"Michigan, most of the time, although my old Chicago account (likely to
be killed with extreme prejudice soon) is better for reading and posting.
I suspect LA will be significantly warmer than here at that time, yes!"

>Be prepared for temperatures in the 40s, or, better still, ask about
>the weather just before setting out."

"Hmmm... guess my friends lied to me then.  They promised at least 50s. :)"

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From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:08:05 GMT
Subject: Re: click!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.callahans

In alt.callahans, trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski) writes:

> >What gives you hope, that someone would refer to another on as sexist 
> >slime merely for making a fairly innocent inference?  Indeed, perhaps these
> >inferences need to go away, but the sexist slime remark is
> >VERY indicative of the combative and militant self-righteousness
> >that is common with almost all issues right now be they liberal
> >or conservative.  
> 
> >Far from giving me the impression that there is hope for the
> >younger generation, it makes me even more convinced that this
> >nation will descend into internecine savagery, because the
> >spirit of compromise and reasoned appeal cannot exist in a
> >nation of zealots.
> 
> i am glad lee is aware and unafraid to point out a
> chauvanism

This is fair, but the phrase 'sexist slime' carries more weight than
the suggestion that someone had engaged in a chauvinism.


>...doesn't have to be sexist....f'er instance, he will also,
> on occasion note that christmas isn't the only religious holiday
> celebrated in december...and wish folx a happy hannuka (sp?) and a
> joyous solstice...in deference to all beliefs...he doesn't
> automatically assume all people of color are poor and live in slums
> and he would NEVER be condescending to a differently abled person...

Do not use the phrase 'differently abled'.  It is nonsense.  My
father has been in a wheelchair for almost 30 years now, and
he would be the first to tell you that he is downright handicapped.

> 
> he is NOT a zealot...and neither are we...but he has learned
> sensitivity...not a terribly common trait in 15 year old boys...or in
> grown men sometimes...."

He is to be commended for learning sensitivity.  I am suggesting
that this sensitivity ought to be extended to avoid the use
of pejorative labels for cases where they are truly justified.

However, as you point out, he was probably just goofing around,
and a lot of things get said in good fun at those times.  Conversation
between friends takes place in a context that is probably not
subject to judgement from someone outside the friendship.

doug
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