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From: ooblick@intercon.com (mikki barry)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 19:32:24 GMT
Reply-To: ooblick@intercon.com (mikki barry)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA

In article <1992Aug17.172252.25908@pony.Ingres.COM>, dan@Ingres.COM (Daniel 
J. Dick) writes:
> Mikki, you have correctly represented my views in your first paragraph, and
> I appreciate you for doing so.  I'm sorry that you regard these views as
> arrogant nonsense.  This is a serious charge and I don't feel that you've
> made yourself clear at whom this charge is directed, whether it be toward
> the God of our religion, toward those who looked on and chose to believe
> it, or to those who you feel devised the religion.

It is the height of arrogance to believe that the belief system you choose is 
the one which will judge all others who hold to other belief systems.  You 
say that xtianity is "truth".  I say it is "nonsense".  Yet my statement is a 
"serious charge" and yours should be given tolerance?  Both statements are 
opinions.
> 
> As for me, I'll teach my children to hold tight to this "arrogant nonsense",
> submit to the Lord, love the Lord and our fellow humans, and to pray for
> you and your children so that they may too find this wonderful "arrogant
> nonsense."

Thank you for the sentiment, and for your prayers.  I, in turn, will pray 
that you and your children find the wonderful worship of Eris, Goddess of 
Discord, who is the Chaos from which the world began and who created your god 
and all other gods that came before or after.  Submitting to Her will is the 
beginning of enlightenment.
From: d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Turnips?????
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:32:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: oracle.1992Aug14.173234.3174
Reply-To: d3a132@pnl.gov
Organization: Battelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories

In article 16f98kINN8ui@darkstar.UCSC.EDU, nola@cats.ucsc.edu (Nola Van Vugt) writes:
>
>In article <BsvuzJ.2DE@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> sian@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (S. Meikle) writes:
>>In article <765194d2350822t76@witsend.uucp> dcs@witsend.tnet.com (D. C. Sessions) writes:
>>[turnips turn out to be Alaric's dream food... ]
>>>Would you believe that now every time we go shopping I have a
>>>hyperactive eight-year-old demanding turnips constantly?  TURNIPS???
>No surprise at all--my kids LOVE brussel sprouts (blanched in lots of
I heard somewhere (psych 101?) that several studies have been done
showing that, left to their own devices, children will eat what they
need.  Adults, having been brainwashed by our culture, eat what
they _think_ tastes good, not what they actually like.


Carl P Baker
cp_baker@pnl.gov
509-375-2724

Disclaimer: I am not the official spokesperson for anyone.  For which
organizations that use spokespersons are profoundly grateful.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: What to do with a late talker?
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 01:50:18 GMT

In article <holly.167@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com> holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise) writes:
>
>Dawn,
>
>Be forever thankful.  I have a 9 year old daughter who will never shut up.  
>I remember not being able to wait for my daughter to talk.  Friends told 
>me, "You'll be sorry later on".  They were right.  Anyone know how to get a 
>kid to shut up who jabbers constantly and says nothing?
>-----

Reminds me of the joke:

We spend the first year of our children's lives trying to get them to walk
and talk and the remainder of their lives telling them to "sit down and shut 
up."
-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 21:15:26 GMT
Reply-To: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA

In article <1992Aug13.141535.13261@xn.ll.mit.edu>, rsteele@adam.ll.mit.edu 
(Rob Steele) writes:
> ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry) writes:
> > Religion is a totally subjective thing.  No "judgement" with regards to
> > religion can ever be objectively "true".
> 
> Except of course the judgement that no judgement can be true. :)

Sorry, my statement stands.  No judgment with regards to religion can ever be 
objectively true.

> On the contrary, varying interpretations prove that there is something to  
> interpret.  

And further prove that there is no one "truth" even within xtianity.
> 
> > Making a choice != degrading other choices, or attempting to push others
> > to also make the same choice regarding matters that are purely
> > subjective.
> 
> Making a choice certainly does not require rudeness.  But it's not purely  
> subjective.  

Religion, by definition is a subjective belief system.



Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 14:39:59 GMT
Reply-To: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA

In article <dlhanson.45@nap.amoco.com>, dlhanson@nap.amoco.com (David L. 
Hanson) writes:
> We teach our children that there is only one way to peace with God and
> that is through His Son, Jesus Christ.  We teach them that people who
> don't believe that will be eternally punished for their disbelief. 
> We also teach them that we as Christians have an important responsibility
> to let everyone know about the Gospel message (in our home, at work and
> even on USENET).  If people are offended by the message of Jesus Christ,
> then so be it (the Bible says that they will be).

Then IMHO, you are teaching your children to be intolerant biggots.
From: elg@elgamy.sccsi.com (Eric Lee Green)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Talk talk TALK talk
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:10:32 GMT
Organization: Eric's Amiga 2000 @ Home

From article <92232.123259IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, by Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>:
> don't send her to the corner as much as i used to, mostly because
> she's so darned articulate, i forget i CAN send her to the corner!
>
> but, having read the posts that came before mine, i am now very
> thankful.  she does stop talking, compared to these kids...  she
> just talks too much for ME.

That's probably better than the alternative -- a quiet kid who never opens
her mouth. I suspect there's a correlation between how much a kid talks to
her parents, and how much the kid trusts her parents.

Given the way this society rewards verbal people, I'd certainly try to
avoid suppressing this behavior! (It's sad to say, but even for
technical jobs most people hire those who sell themselves best -- and the
best salespeople are the most verbal). Talkative kids will eventually get
society's messages about when and where to talk their spiel... usually
around age 13 or so, when suddenly they quit talking (to you) altogether...
in the meantime, enjoy! (Easy enough for me to say, eh? All I have to face
is a whole CLASSROOM full of the li'l buggers :-).

--
 Eric Lee Green  elg@elgamy.sccsi.com         Dodson Elementary
 (713) 437-6908  uunet!nuchat!elgamy!elg      Houston, TX
                "Kids are kids, no matter what"
From: Lynn Gazis-Sax <lgsax@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:19 PDT
Subject: Re: 3 years old and colors
Nf-ID: #R:1992Aug16.165459.15719@leela.cs.:-1238913532:cdp:1427100032:000:490
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!lgsax    Aug 17 23:19:00 1992


Color-blindness is a sex-linked genetic condition which
is carried on the X chromosome.  Girls aren't likely
to be color-blind (your niece would have to inherit
it from both her father and her mother, which would
mean that her father would have to be color-blind
and her mother would have to be a carrier).

I do have color-blindness in my family, and have
a 50% probability of being a carrier, so I am curious
about how old a child usually needs to be before you
can tell.

Lynn Gazis-Sax
From: halvers@procyon.crd.ge.com (Pete Halverson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Let the toilet training begin!
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:31:28 GMT
Reply-To: halverson@crd.ge.com (Pete Halverson)
Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

In article <16109@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes:
>(My parents potty trained me at age *nine months* and wet the bed till I
>was six). 

Jeepers, I know parenting can be stressful, but I've never before heard of
it causing incontinence.  What happened when you were six to make them
stop?

:-)

pete


Pete Halverson                                      INET: halverson@crd.ge.com 
GE Corporate R&D Center                       UUCP: uunet!crd.ge.com!halverson
Schenectady, NY
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Subject: Re: Sushi during pregnancy - is it bad?
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 19:49:32 GMT
Reply-To: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA

In article <1992Aug21.172722.17885@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, 
elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen) writes:
> But continuing to eat sushi would be like playing 
> Russian Roulette with your baby's health.

With all due respect, breathing the air is just as much like playing
Russian Roulette with your baby's health.  So is getting out of bed in the 
morning.  The chances of contracting salmonella are the same if not lower in 
eating sushi that has been previously frozen as it is eating almost any food 
in a restaurant, or even at home when the preparation items haven't been 
absolutely thoroughly cleaned.  

Each person has to make their own decisions regarding doing ANYTHING during 
pregnancy.  But telling them to give up something they really want to do when 
the chances of harm are so low, especially by implying that they are playing 
"Russian Roulette" is a bit harsh.



Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gbk@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (g.b.karlovsky)
Subject: Kids and Pets (Re: Sweet things they do (3 years))
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:44:45 GMT

In article <16847906E.M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org> M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.224841.15943@cco.caltech.edu>
>hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough) writes:
>>We have a cat who frequently stands at the door and meows to go
>>out.  Yesterday evening, my 22-month old saw her doing this, got
>>up from where he was sitting in the living room, opened the front
>>door, held it open for the cat, and closed it again once she was out.
>>
>>What makes it all the more amazing is that this is a child who will
>>usually dash outside himself the minute he sees an open door.
>>
>>:o)    :o)     :o)
>>
>>Sue
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  This reminds me of how nicely my kids and the dog get along.  Sheba (the
>dog) is a BIG 3-year-old Doberman/Lab mix; we adopted her from the pound
>seven months ago.  It seems that all she wants to do is be a member of the
>family and so she makes a very good pet (obeys well, is not destructive,
>loves affection).
>  The other night, I was putting the kids to bed with the usual bedtime
>story hour.  I tell two stories when the 3-yr-old is in bed and her 21-
>month-old brother is in his crib.  The stories always contain elements
>from the day's activities; that night, I included a friend's dog, 'Spanky',
>in the story because we had visited the friend and her dog that day.
>  The door to the bedroom creaked open and Sheba stuck her head in.  I
>said, 'Come on in, Sheeb' and my 3-yr-old daughter leaned out of her bed
>and said, 'Yeah, come on in, Sheeb, we were just talking about Spanky'.
>   Never mind that the two dogs have never met.
>   Well, you had to be there!
> 
> 
>                        K. Wilk
>                        M18611@MBVM.MITRE.ORG
> 
>            <--********************************-->
> 'Thrusting my nose firmly between his teeth, I threw him to the ground
>  on top of me.' - Mark Twain
>            <--********************************-->




These stories remind me of Adrienne (28 months) and Casey (4 yr old BIG Golden
Retriever)...

Adrienne desparately wants Casey to obey her when she gives commands, and
has tried for a long time to make him come or sit or lay down.  Casey will
NOT listen to her, but what I found amazing is that Casey WILL obey her hand
signals for the same things.  The real trick is in making her understand and
remember that he wil sit if she uses her hands, but not if she uses her voice.

The other thing she knows is that Casey is a lap dog...  a 75-pound lap dog.
If I sit on the floor with my legs straddled (spread open like a V), Casey
comes up to me and turns around until he is just so and plops as close to me
as he can.  Seeing this, Adrienne wants him to lay in her lap and so she
has to sit straddled in my straddled lap, and even then, Casey doesn't fit
really well, so he partly sits in her lap and partly on it...  It's real 
cute :-)


	Gail Karlovsky
	gail.karlovsky@att.com
From: pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pregnancy Test Kits
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:34:45 GMT
Organization: IRP Corporate Data Planning - Dayton, OH

<63928@cup.portal.com>
Reply-To: pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: IRP Corporate Data Planning - Dayton, OH
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In article <63928@cup.portal.com> ctopp@cup.portal.com (Carol F Topp) writes:

>I knew I was pregnany several days before my period
>was due because I felt like I had never felt before.

Can you elaborate on this?  I had a similar experience, but it's
been a long time (four years) and I'd like to recall that pleasant
memory again.  Thanks.


-- 
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From: seb1@leia.dr.att.com (sharon badian)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Birthday Parties (Was Re: Second Baby Thoughts ...)
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:25:38 GMT
Reply-To: seb1@druhi.att.com
Organization: Bell Labs, Denver, CO.

In article <1427100031@igc.apc.org>, lgsax@igc.apc.org (Lynn Gazis-Sax) writes:
|> 
|> Actually, Judy, I don't remember having a single birthday
|> party with friends over the entire time I was growing
|> up.  I think we must have just not had them, since I
|> don't recall any for my siblings either.  And we ran
|> the gamut from introverted to extroverted.  (Is this
|> really unusual?  Are birthday parties just one of
|> those things parents of seven children tend to drop,
|> or were they not as big a deal back in the 60's?)
|> 

Well, I grew up during the 60's and I had plenty of birthday parties.
So did my sisters (2 of them). We'd invite all the kid's we hung out
with, have cake and ice cream. The usual stuff. One of my fondest
memories was when my parents built this big cookie/candy house for
my birthday party. They built it the night before my birthday party
while I was asleep. Boy, was I surprised when I woke up. It was pretty
amazing. I don't remember how old I was then, probably around 6 or 7.

So, I would guess that having 7 kids might have something to do with
it. You'd always be having a birthday party with 7 kids! That would
take a lot of energy. And it's not like you can have one for some of
them and not for others!

-- 
Sharon Badian
AT&T Bell Labs - Denver
seb1@druhi.att.com
From: steve@Advansoft.COM (Steve Savitzky)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Neverending Songs
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:26:46 GMT
Organization: Advansoft Research Corp, Santa Clara, CA

In article <1992Aug17.205646.9261@bnr.ca> grahama@bnr.ca (Graham Ashby) writes:

   I just thought up a new one up for my 4YO...

   "An infinite bottles of pop on the wall,
   An infinite bottles of pop.
   You take one down and pass it around,
   An infinite bottles of pop on the wall."

I've always wondered why nobody takes advantage of a common
loop-condition bug here:

  Minus one bottles of beer on the wall,
  Minus one bottles of beer.
  Take one down and pass it around,
  Minus two bottles of beer on the wall...

(I've taken the liberty of back-substituting the non-Bowdlerized
lyrics I learned when *I* was a kid.)
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From: ltaylor@eec.East.Sun.COM (Laura Taylor - Network Operations East)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: In article 92Aug17144612@rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com, jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com (Jeff Jackson) writes:
Date: 17 Aug 1992 22:20:46 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ltaylor@eec.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: eec.east.sun.com

>Does anyone have information about other companies that offer kids (or other) 
>products that they don't use animal testing for?  I agree with the sentiment 
>that my shampoo shouldn't kill animals.  I worked in a pharmacy college.  I 
>could tell you horror stories.

I don't know about you, but I don't want *my* kids to be the guinea
pigs for some shampoo that's going to make their hair fall out.  I
want it tested on chimps, pigs, rats and anything else before its
*ever* tried on a human being!

----------------------------

That is very ignorant thinking Jeff. First of all, by now it is quite well
known which chemicals are safe and dangerous. There's not very many new
chemicals being introduced into shampoos these days. Shall we say shampoo
technology has reached its peak? So if a chemical has been proven safe
100s of times before, why kill more animals to prove it safe 201 times?

Also, most companies that don't test on animals use much milder and more
natural ingredients...like aloe. If you see a product with a million long
chemical names, why would you want to buy it anyway? I would speculate that
the products made by companies that don't test on animals are much safer.

After all, if they really need to test the stuff on animals, makes me wonder
what kind of quack of a chemist put the product together to begin with.

/laura
From: neville@cs.washington.edu (Dorothy Neville)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sushi during pregnancy - is it bad?
Date: 21 Aug 92 23:56:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Aug21.172722.17885@cbnewse.cb.att.com> elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.142521.29248@philabs.philips.com>, mgh@philabs.philips.com (Monisha Ghosh) writes:
>> 
>> The book 'What to expect when you're expectimg' claims that sushi during
>> pregnancy is a no-no since all uncooked meat and fish is taboo. How true is
>> this? It has me slightly worried because I like sushi and have had it often
>> since I became pregnant. It seems odd that something which is a part of the 
>> diet of so many people should be avoided during pregnancy. Any full time
>> sushi eaters care to comment?
>> 

>
>Uncooked meats and fishes are taboo beccause they can contain
>bacteria which can make you sick.  And when you are pregnanct,
>when you get sick, your baby can get sick either.  

Toxoplasmosis is a protozoa, commonly found in raw fish and in cat
feces.  Most adults who are exposed to toxoplasmosis have no symptoms,
and develop immunity.  However, if a pregnant woman gets a primary
infection (ie, first exposure) to the protozoa during pregnancy, then
birth defects or miscarriage can occur.  thousands of babies are
affected each year.  

Dorothy Neville
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: GeraldR@sunfish.ratsys.com (Gerald Ruderman)
Subject: Re: You *know* you have been initiated as a parent when...
Keywords: trials & tribulations of parenting...
Organization: Rational Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 02:53:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.203127.12567@leland.Stanford.EDU> michelle@waldron.Stanford.EDU (Michelle Kalehzan) writes:

>When we got
>to San Jose and everyone was standing in the aisles waiting to be released
>from the plane, she promptly vomited--in a projectile sort of way---all over

My observations are that vomiting after landing is more common than onboard 
unless the flight is very rough.

I also find the air sickness bags as soon as I get on when traveling with my 
daughter and keep them handy at all times. Of course under the circumstances 
you described a bag probably was useless.

Gerald Ruderman                                   geraldr@ratsys.com
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Birthday Parties (Was Re: Second Baby Thoughts ...)
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:32:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: random.1992Aug20.183225.4387
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

I'm one of two children, and I always had TWO birthdays.  One in June
in Toronto, with all my neighborhood friends.  Fairly low-key
(presents, cake, games in the back yard etc).  Another on July 24th (my
actual birthday) at the cottage.  There were almost no kids my age there,
so it was impossible to have a "real" party (hence the fake party in
June).  At the cottage, we'd have dinner with the family, cake, presents
from family.  After dinner, a bonfire on the beach with marshmallows and
lots of neighbors (no presents expected or received).  When I got older (13?)
and developed a few friends at the beach, the Toronto party was dropped
and I had friends at the cottage instead.  Being one of only 2 kids (with
6 years in between) may explain my parents willingness.  Also, neither of
the parties involved much in the way of work.  Kids, cake, ice cream was
the order of the day.

My husband is one of 4 kids.  His parents had a neat compromise.  The kids
had a birthday party every 7 years (i.e. at 7, 14, and 21).  This meant
that, on average, they planned one party every 2 years.  In reality,
they moved just before his 14th birthday and he didn't know anyone to
invite.  The 21st never happened either, come to think of it!  Oh well,
he DID have a 7th!  You could plan  on an alternating schedule where
one child had a party each year.  So, with 3 kids, each child has
a party every 3rd year.  



-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids