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From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.comics.tv
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:04:12 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

jeff@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jeff Williamson) writes:

>This is a (well, not exactly formal) Call for Discussion of the formation
>of a new newsgroup to handle discussion of the intersection of comic books
>and television. Such a group would fit into the current r.a.c hierarchy,
>and has precedent (ref. rec.arts.sf.tv) in a similar hierarchy.

    If its not formal, then is should not have been put into
news.groups. Discussions in this group are supposed to have a 30 day
time limit, and this usually only happens when it's official.

>Why the new newsgroup? Well, rec.arts.comics.misc should be able to handle
>the discussion, but most television-related comics discussion tends to get
>lost in the shuffle. In addition, rec.arts.animation has gotten deluged
>by articles on the new Batman animated series. Without creating a Batman-
>only spinoff (alt.tv.btas?), the solution seems to be a r.a.c newsgroup
>that encompasses a larger set of topics.

    Rac.misc could handle the discussion quite well, if that is where
people wanted to talk about it, but every indication says that
discussion has moved to r.a.animation, and in fact people are trying to
create alt.tv.batman for discussion of the show.

>r.a.c.tv would exist for discussion of past, present, and future television
>shows with some foundation in comic books. Examples include the
>aforementioned Batman animated series, the Fish Police series, the now-
>cancelled Flash television show, the Human Target tv show, and others.
>Information on upcoming comics tv projects could also be posted to the
>group.

    Well, frankly the only shows that are likely to get any discussion
are the Batman animated and the X-Men animated, and there are no
indications that either of them will be around for more than this
season. The other shows you have mentioned are either not being
discussed or not worth discussing, but in any event do not currently
generate traffic.
    I think that alt.tv.batman will handle the dicussion for this quite
nicely, and the creation of a rec.arts.comics.tv is something that isn't
really necessary.


--
-Hades (Brian V. Hughes) 
   "You know Television has gone to hell when, with every commercial,
	 you find yourself hoping to see the Energizer Bunny."
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: kja@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (krista.j.anderson)
Subject: Re: RFD Alternative Medicine
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:42:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.092916.12010@vms.eurokom.ie>, mdebuitlear@vms.eurokom.ie writes:
> In article <7489@lib.tmc.edu>, jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
> > In article <16764@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
> >>This clearly is a subject of interest to readers.  It could

Yes, I think there is sufficient interest and I would vote for the
group.

> > As long as you don't put it in the sci.* category, I don't really care. It
> > isn't science, though.
> 
> Sweeping generalisations and closed minds certainly have no place in science 
> either.

Arguments like this look perfect for the soc. category.  How about
soc.med-alternatives or soc.med-alt?
-- 
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Xref: sparky news.groups:18607 soc.culture.indian:32759 soc.culture.pakistan:15395 soc.culture.afghanistan:1054 rec.arts.poems:9536
From: khan@us17501.mdc.com (Naseer Khan)
Newsgroups: news.groups,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.pbangladesh,soc.culture.afghanistan,rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: rec.arts.poems.urdu
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:46:22 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in Sunny Southern California
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In article <1992Oct01.170533.14056@news.mentorg.com> Ali Haveliwala,
ali@simdiv1.mentorg.com writes:

>	Will be a forum to discuss the Urdu Language and its impact on arts 
>	within the subcontinent.

This is the real use I had for this proposed newsgroup anyways.  I want
it to be a forum for things urdu : language, culture, humor,
literature.....    Wouldn't it be better as something else other than
being confined or cornered into the poems hierarchy.  I like the
suggestion someone else has about re-starting this to go as
soc.culture.urdu (although I warn everyone that scu as initial is already
taken. :-)  I know it takes a lot of work to
go through RFD's and CFV's  but y'know when something is worth doing, 
it's worth doing right.  I would vote for it as it stands, but......

      |      |                        Signed:  Naseer Khan
      | (~)(o)                                 ___________
     C      _)
      | ,___|                                  khan@us17501.mdc.com
From: fsspr@acad3.alaska.edu (Sean P. Ryan, Hardcore Alaskan)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: NEW GROUPS: clari.news.hot.{bush,clinton,perot}
Summary: new groups for usa elections
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:57:00 GMT
Followup-To: news.groups
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Fairbanks, Alaska...no wait, that's not right...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC

In article <BvpwIv.H97@uunet.uu.net>, info@clarinet.com writes...
> 
>We have not created groups for other candidates because, quite simply,
>they don't generate enough coverage to warrant a group of their own.
>Any coverage of them will still appear in the standard groups such as
>clari.news.election and clari.news.politics.

No, it's because the media has conspired to ignore them, realizing that
many of them have a message that could appeal to large numbers of
voters, causing the myth of "two sides to an issue" to be shattered.

But then again, I obviously digress here...

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From: short@asf.com (Lee Short)
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: rec.sport.swordfighting
Organization: ASF
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:58:14 GMT

In article <like you really cared> mece25r@Elroy.UH.EDU (Suman Palit) writes: 
>
>There were arguments that rec.sport.fencing would fit in with the heirarchy
>of the rec.sport. groups better than rec.fencing; counter-arguments that 
>rec.fencing was more general.... BTW, how about calling it 
>rec.sport.swordfighting, or is that too corny? 
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I think this is a *much* better name for the group, given its charter.
A group called rec.sport.fencing would imply to me (as an ex-fencer),
that discussion would be limited to the "Halt! Attack, parry, riposte,
touche left!" kind of fencing (i.e., foils, epees, and sabers).
rec.sport.swordfighting or some variant like rec.sport.sword would be
much more representative of the actual charter.

Lee


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Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.music.bluenote
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Re: Arrogance in r.m.bluenote (was Re: r.m.bluenote --> ...)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:39:41 GMT

In article <SINGH.92Oct1040519@julius.cs.uiuc.edu> singh@julius.cs.uiuc.edu (Rajendra Singh) writes:

>  I think this
>is a great newsgroup, but splitting it isn't going to make it worse
>and in some ways will make it better.
>

WRONG!@!@ Two froups are WORSE than one! The burden of proof is on those who
wish to split to show significant improvement with two groups. As it is now,
r.m.b is, out of 5 rec.music newsgroups, certainly not the most crowded, and
would be the least crowded save for rec.music.funky. You want a group that
is too broad and has two many articles, try rec.music.classical.

Anyway, splitting it WILL make it worse. The total number of articles posted
to rec.music.jazz AND rec.music.blues will be greater than that posted 
to r.m.bluenote, most likely. More articles in more groups is bad news for 
those of us who should be working instead of reading news.....:-)

r
From: rar0659@hertz.njit.edu (R A Rodgers MSM)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.motorcycles.euro
Keywords: Aprilia to Zundapp
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:05:13 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

Yes indeed the world desperately needs a news group dedicated to european
motorcycles even more than Windows 3.1 and Lotus 123.

I am particularly fond of Brit bikes.

What do motorcyclists and computerists have in common?

their favorite subject of conversation is their crashes!

regards roy rodgers

rar0659@hertz.njit.edu
From: Sandra_Warner@mindlink.bc.ca (Sandra Warner)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Missing Group?
Date: 26 Sep 92 16:30:57 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

Hi;

It was suggested that you were the best person to question with my problem.

First, I have been reading usenet.misc.handicap group for sometime now.

Secone, the board I am on (Mindlink) has not received any messages from this
group since Sept. 16th.  It has always been an active group and I miss it very
much.  Could you please tell me what happened to it.

Or is there some glich that we don't know about, and that is why the messages
are not coming through?

I would really appreciate and help you can give me.

Sandra Warner :)
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From: jvbutera@grad00.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.marching
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 22:36:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.171151.29824@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> sradeker@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Radeker) writes:

*I agree.  The arts part is nice, but unneccessary.  Perhaps rec.marching.
*drumcoprs, or rec.marching.bands is the best way to go.  With
*the arts part removed, the people who say that the name is long
*(it certainly isn't the longest) can rest easier, and the people who
*want to be able to differentiate between bands and drumcorps can do so.
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Is marching band not an art, just as drumcorps is?  Yes, it may not
be as nearly polished, but the intent of most competing high schools
I know is the same as drumcorps:  A high level of musical and marching
expertise blended to wow the crowd and judges....

*Scott
*gt1293c@cad.gatech.edu



-- 
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Math Graduate Student
N.C. State University    "Still looking for a witty quote." 
jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu                           -Brad Halls
Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.religion.kibology
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Proposal of new group: soc.culture.kibonia
Reply-To: kibo@world.std.com
Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 09:49:19 GMT

[]
	Kibonia is a small sovereign country which is, unfortunately,
landlocked.  In fact, it borders only Massachusetts.  However, there is
no reason its hard-working population should not have a truly wonderful
newsgroup dedicated the the culture, the history, the tourism, and the
illustrious citizen of Kibonia.

	It would also be the only soc.culture.* newsgroup to be read by
EVERYONE in its native country, and would serve as an excellent example
of how Usenet will soon control the world.
							-- K.

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From: adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams)
Subject: Re: RFD Alternative Medicine
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:26:33 GMT

Thus spake kring@efes.physik.uni-kl.de (Thomas Kettenring): 

>In article <1992Oct4.212542.14351@netcom.com>, adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams) writes:
>>	Given the demonstration of unbiased communications those with a
>>scientific orientation have displayed thus far, however, it may need to be a
>>moderated group to permit unbiased discussions to take place.
>
>What is unbiased discussion?  For that you seem to need people without
>opinion (opinion leads to bias).  These people - let's assume they exist -
>obviously can't discuss opinions but only facts.  Unfortunately with the
>chosen subject there are no facts, only opinions.
>
>Conclusion:  You don't want unbiased discussion, you want a group with postings
>biased in the direction of your opinion, forbidding unwelcome criticsm.
>That's not even discussion.
>
	Actually, what I would like to see would be open discussion in which
the concept of information exchange was more important than that of
self-righteousness. From many of the comments posted here, however, it
appears rather unlikely that the "scientific" participants would grant the
courtesy of free, informed, debate to those who are interested in
alternative medicine.

	Remember, those "scientific" principles you have been espounding at
length here in order to ridicule the alternative medicine advocates came
from alchemists, folklore, superstition, and religious practices originally.
It wasn't that many years ago that "scientific medicine" included blood
letting, avoidance of bathing, and assurances that masterbation led
irrevokably to insanity or dementia! In a couple hundred years it's very
possible that the medical practices of today will be regarded with little
more respect than we now accord the use of leeches to treat malaria!

	Alternative forms of medicine may not always be scientific - and one
major effect of such a newsgroup would be to explore those areas of
contention both from the standpoint of inquiry and to inform the reader of
potential dangers - but they =are= as worthy of investigation as any other
area.

	Those with an interest in them will participate, those without one
will not - but in neither case is the kind of "scientific bigotry" being
demonstrated here at all justified!


-- 

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      over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to
      prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is
      not a sufficient warrant.                         John Stuart Mill
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From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.marching vs rec.arts.marching
Date: 3 Oct 92 23:09:07 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

In article <Oct03.200948.65994@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon) writes:
>I don't have a problem with the length.  My problem was whether *marching* is
>an art.  I agree that drumcorps is an art, and I agree that drumcorps is a
>type of marching, but it doesn't logically follow that marching is an art
>(although SOME types are).  I never saw a response to this argument.

It's covered in the RFD. The idea of this group (or perhaps groups) is to
discuss performance art where "marching" is involved. We're not particularly
in groups discussing effective tactics for deploying troops in battle, for
instance. The "marching arts" includes drum corps, color guard, marching
bands, baton twirling and other drill teams, etc.

>Thus, at this time, I understand:   rec.marching.drumcorps
>                                 or rec.arts.drumcorps

Do you understand rec.arts.marching.drumcorps & rec.arts.marching.misc? That
idea has been bandied around in this discussion...

--phil
From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.marching
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:53:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Oct1.105335.15994
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

>>In article <BvAK0n.C9B@uunet.uu.net> pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
>
>Would you like the RFD altered to be for r.a.m.drumcorps AND r.a.m.misc?
>
>--phil

Yes, I would strongly support the idea of a r.a.m.drumcorps and a r.a.m.misc.
I don't have particular problems with putting the group under a hierachy of
art or music.  I prefer arts for the same reasons you do.  

I'm happy with the
idea of including the word marching in the name -- I don't think a name like
r.a.m.drumcorps is too long.  

I do greatly prefer to have the word drumcorps
in the name of one such group.  While it may exclude a small number of posts,
we have demonstrated that the drumcorps activity is active enough to support
a group of its own.

Personally, I think a group r.a.m.misc is fine but I would prefer a r.a.m.bands,if I was making the RFD itself.

Michael

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Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.fishing,rec.outdoors.fishing
From: robart@agora.rain.com (Robert Barton)
Subject: rec.fishing
Organization: Organization
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 09:15:39 GMT



  What happened to rec.fishing?

Newsgroups: news.groups
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: Arrogance in r.m.bluenote (was Re: r.m.bluenote --> ...)
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:55:47 GMT

In article <92275.114651KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu> Karl Nordstrom
<KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>singh@julius.cs.uiuc.edu (Rajendra Singh) writes:
>>rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) said:
>>> Secondly, you would have had no problem finding the newsgroup if you
>>> had read the postings in news.announce.newusers, which ALL new Usenet
>>> users should read, and all users should be familiar with.

This just shows how far most usenet user interface software
lags behind current standards of acceptability.  People
expect software to be self-explanatory these days.  Advice
to "RTFM" has never been popular, and it gets less popular
as time goes on.

>>This is an example of the arrogance I find here and in this "discussion"
>>in particular that bugs me.  People generally pop up there newsreader, read
>>news, and maybe if they get an inkling to look they try out new newsgroups.

People generally are clueless.  Some of them eventually go
looking for clues.  One clue is that the news reader is
always printing stuff about "your .newsrc".  Users who
understand that tools like "grep" exist, or who have
learned to use text editors, can look for the word "music"
in their .newsrc files, once they figure out why ".newsrc"
doesn't show up when they type "ls".

There are only a couple of dozen groups in rec.music, and
r.m.b isn't that hard to find by eliminating obviously
unpromising group names and trying the remainder.

I agree that people shouldn't have to do this.
Newsreaders should provide a better interface.  They
don't.

>When I first started my news reader (PSU's netnews) I didn't get pointed
>to news.announce.newusers.  You can't expect new users to read n.a.n
>if they don't know it even exist.

Then you either started reading news on someone else's
account or news is misconfigured at your site or both.
When you start up a newsreader for the first time it should
print a message urging you to read the messages in
news.announce.newusers and you should be subscribed to that
group.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@forel.stanford.edu
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: informal proposal for news group rec.bicycles.hpv
Keywords: human-powered vehicles
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:00:33 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

karplus@ararat.ucsc.edu (Kevin Karplus) writes:

>The hpv@sonoma mailing list is now up to about 40 messages a week.

>This seems to me to be too many for e-mail distribution list, and I
>think it is time to form a newsgroup (I'd recommend rec.bicycles.hpv,
>not that Human-Powered Vehicles are necessarily bicycles, but it is
>the closest part of the existing hierarchy to the discussions that
>have gone on in HPV).

    Your worried about a mailing list that gets 40 posts/week?! And
because of this you want to create a newsgroup? When the list gets to 40
messsages/day, which is considered heavy traffic, then you might
consider moving it to a newsgroup. But you must realize that a mailing
list will have a wider distribution than a newsgroup, whereas a
newsgroup will probably have many more causal readers.

>Does anyone know the procedures for establishing an unmoderated newsgroup?

    If you don't know, then you need to read news.announce.newuser for a
while.

--
-Hades (Brian V. Hughes) 
   "You know Television has gone to hell when, with every commercial,
	 you find yourself hoping to see the Energizer Bunny."
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