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From: strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom)
Subject: Re: HYPOCRISY of Prayer in Public Schools
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 02:59:09 GMT
Organization: IBM Research

In article <jeffries.720997416@pv6f14.vincent.iastate.edu>, jeffries@iastate.edu (Anthony G Jeffries) writes:

|> I haven't been keeping up on this topic, but the impression I have about 
|> school prayer (as it's being tossed around now) is that it would be voluntary,
|> and not required of anyone.  In other words, an atheist, for example, would
|> not be required to pray.  
|> 

School prayer is voluntary today.  A Christian, for example, would
not be forbidden to pray (silently, in the classroom, or noisily, during
recess.)  It's a misrepresentation to say that civil libertarians
have "banned" prayer in schools.  What is forbidden is for the
teachers to publically set aside prayer times, since that constitutes
a government sanction of prayer.  You wouldn't want teachers to
publically set aside "voluntary" time for sitting in a circle
and invoking the spirits of the dead, right?  


-- 
Rob Strom, strom@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7641
IBM Research, 30 Saw Mill River Road, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
From: tzeking@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (chan tze-king)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: A Modest Proposal
Date: 10 Nov 92 08:22:51 GMT
Reply-To: tzeking@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (chan tze-king)
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: tzeking@sleepy.cc.utexas.edu

From: tzeking@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (chan tze-king)
Newsgroups: alt.anarchy
Subject: A Modest Proposal
Expires:
References:
Summary: 
Reply-To: tzeking@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (chan tze-king)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Keywords: 

	Wouldn't it be a keen idea, since we are assured of a good president
next term, to see how Dan Quayle would have reacted to the duties and respon-
sibilities of the Presidency if something unfortunate had happened to George
Bush?  Well, the time has come for unfortunate events to occur.  

	We'll assume this much.  I am going to kill George Bush.  All that's
left is to decided a means for disposing of the erstwhile President.  
Bombing is definitely not an option.  A bomb that would be large enough to 
rest in an un-searched area is well beyond my technical repertoire as well as
my budget.

	So, if you come up with any good ideas, mail me and I'll post the
best choices to be put up for a vote.  If I choose your idea for the 
assassination then I'll buy you a bottle of champagne at the post-mortem
party.  

	So, put your thinking caps on and send me your best schemes!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Any connection with me, this post, and any future unfortunate event is entirely
coincidental.  Please remember that as an American, the health of the President
is foremost in my mind.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: biow@cs.umd.edu (chris biow)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Does anyone have address for group Medicenes Sans Frontieres (sp?)
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:56:16 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

E-mail replies please--don't want to clutter the net. 

Also, if anyone knows anything _bad_ about the group, please
let me know (i.e. if 98% of their budget goes into bulk 
mail solicitations).

Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.drugs
From: garrett@Ingres.COM (It's not what you got, it's what you give)
Subject: Re: YYYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!
Summary: 
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: 
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:00:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.173121.5519@desire.wright.edu>, demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)                   writes...
>In article <1dojhnINN8nj@uwm.edu>, markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark) writes:
>....
>>>will seem to have been strong by comparison.  I just hope he doesn't
>>>so damage the country that it takes another 12 years to undo it.
>> 
>> In case nobody has noticed, this is NOT 1976, it's 1932! 
>> Whoops.  Did I say 1932 again?  I mean 1992.
>> 
>> Darn I don't know what's come over me.  I get this weird eerie feeling of
>> deja vu, like we've been through all this stuff of the past decade and a half
>> 60 years before.
> 
>	The same confusion must be the reason you voted for Clinton, then. 
>1992 is a lot like 1976, only the economy is in better shape.
> 
Maybe for you. For my family it sucks worse than anytime in our family 
history for the last two generations.

>Brett
From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 07 Nov 92 08:49 PST
Subject: Re: MARK-OF-THE-BEA$T bar-code$
Nf-ID: #R:1992Oct27.122914.1983@cnsvax.uwe:-1624509270:cdp:1296500429:000:380
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Nov  7 08:49:00 1992



Re: Bar Codes and Mark of the Beast.
   Actually, this particular lunatic screed is being circulated among
several small far-right Christian fundamentalist groups and the
proto-Nazi Christian Identity movement. Bo Gritz ran an article
supporting this mania in his newsletter. Prior to this craze, the
Mark of the Beast was alleged to be the birth mark on Gorby's forehead.
-Chip
From: L-Bueno@cup.portal.com (Louis Alberto Bueno)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: AF/ATS: LA rioter sentenced to 19 years!!!
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 19:54:42 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1992Nov10.230612.25864@oracle.us.oracle.com>

rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers) writes:
>aforum@moose.uvm.edu (Autonome Forum) writes:
>>Coleman was the first of nearly 8,000 people arrested during the LA riots
>>to be sentenced.
 
>Stupid people get what they deserve. Don't confuse venal and destructive
>behavior with freedom-fighting.
 
	I'm curious... since when can BOTH sides to a conflict agree to
what is "freedom-fighting" and what is "venal and destructive?"
 
	For example: Where the MinuteMen terrorists?
	             Are the Contras heroes?
 
	And please, sir, no need to remind me that the crux of the issue is
what would one consider hurling a molotov cocktail into a 7-11... I wish to
discuss the "freedom-fighting" issue you brought up...
 
	Oh, a BIG BTW: Does anyone know if the 7-11 in question was a
24-hour operation, and full of people at the time, or whether it was
closed and not manned at the time? (I wonder why everyone's assumed it
had to have people inside? :-) )
 
Cheers,
 
--Louis
L-Bueno@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.politics.elections,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc,talk.rumors
From: parrish@ecn.purdue.edu (Stephen L. Parrish)
Subject: Re: Anita Hill to Head EEOC
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:16:40 GMT

In article <lg3af4INNsss@spim.mti.sgi.com>, mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Mike Polen) writes:
|> Brian Rush ) writes:
|> |> >>
|> |> So... Clinton is willing to appoint someone to a high position who could
|> |> be a convincted perjurer if only someone had the guts to prosecute her.
|> 
|> Gee.  3 unsupportable statements in one sentence: 1) that Clinton is willing
|> to appoint her, 2) that she could be convicted of purjury, and 3) that all
|> that is keeping her from being prosecuted is that all Republican attorneys
|> and DA's are chicken.
|> |> 
|> |> Next, he'll appoint Rodney King to replace Kemp as Secretary of Housing
|> |> and Urban Development.
|> |> 
|> |> I wonder what job he has waiting for Willie Horton.  Drug Czar?
|> |> 
|> |> Then, he'll make a new position to head "The Department of Liberal
|> |> American Values to Force into Everyone's Home" and give that position
|> |> to Madonna.
|> |> 
|> |> He'll appoint Magic (uh, my shoe size is larger than my IQ) Johnson to
|> |> head the AIDS committe that he wimped out of earlier before even trying
|> |> to do anything there.
|> |> 
|> |> I'll give you one guess as to the next Attorney General.  Her initials 
|> |> are H.C.
|> |> 
|> |> These are going to be a very entertaining four years.
|> 
|> 
|> Unlike the first point, which was just inaccurate and unsubsantiated
|> statements of fact, this is just paranoia and fantasy taking off.  Do you
|> do this stuff sober?

Kind of like "Prof." Hill's allegations?  Unsubstantiated?

|> 
|> -- 
|> These opinions are usually my own, sometimes my dog's,
|> occasionaly my (grown) children's, never my employer's.

-- 
Stephen Parrish              |  "Do not speak to me of good men, bind them
Purdue University            |   with the chains of the constitution"
School of Nuclear Engineering|   --  Thomas Jefferson  (roughly) 
parrish@gn.ecn.purdue.edu    |  KEMP/Powell '96   (If the US survives '92-96)
From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 07 Nov 92 09:06 PST
Subject: Re: Populist Party = Nazis
Nf-ID: #R:1992Oct28.232450.10099@uvm.edu:-2119996470:cdp:1296500430:000:2000
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Nov  7 09:06:00 1992


From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet>
Subject: Populist Party = Nazis

/* Written  9:53 pm  Nov  2, 1992 by cberlet@igc.apc.org in igc:alt.conspiracy */
/* ---------- "Vote for Bo Gritz" ---------- */

Gritz has repeatedly praised and participated in Christian
Identity, here are excerpts from his speech at a Christian
Identity meeting hosted by Identity preacher Pete Peters, a raving
anti-Jewish bigot:

Gritz:
   "I believe that the Identity Christian Movement will continue
to grow in this nation until it is able to stand self-sufficient
in spite of the government....Basically the Zionists are taking
over and we Christians are being formed into small pockets that
have to go to camps twice a year to learn what's going on....The
enemy you face today is a satanic overthrow where he would change
the United States of America, a nation under God, into USA
incorporated with King George as chariman of the board, and a
Zionist group that would rule over us as long as satan might be on
earth....I am telling you that he (God) has given us all that we
need. He's given us the likes of Pete Peters, he's given us the
likes of the Identity Christian movement."
    -Source, <The Monitor>, Center for Democratic Renewal
    (Atlanta), December
1991, page 19.

From The Idaho Falls <Post Register>, September 13, 1992 (page
B6):
 "[Our] editorial should have said that Gritz adheres to less
strident views of the Christian Identity movement. There are a
number of Christian Identity Churches. A national spokesman for
Gritz, Jack McLamb, has told Associated Press that Gritz adheres
to a blend of Christian Identity, Baptist, and LDS [Mormon]
beliefs. Whether he is a member of the LDS Church or not has not
been able to be confirmed despite repeated calls to a Gritz number
identified by an answering machine as the Center for Action. -
Editor."

Gritz: "Eight Jewish families virtually control the entire
FED--only three are American jews [sic]." "Called to Serve," page
609.

-Chip Berlet

Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.drugs
From: dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska)
Subject: Re: YYYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!
Keywords: lame birds, Election, deliverance.
Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder CO
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:52:26 GMT

In article <50B=6c#@engin.umich.edu> jwh@citi.umich.edu writes:
>sector.  I don't believe that government can *on net* create new jobs
>via fiscal policy.  It can rearrange which jobs exist, but this won't
>necessarily improve the overall picture.
>
Two comments on this.  If intelligent investments are made in a variety
of infrastructure, then the efficiency of production will increase
and productivity along with it and this leads to more jobs than just
those directly involved with the government spending.  
The applicable phrase is "intelligent investments".  
Clinton must avoid too much pork for this to work and
that is his greatest challenge.  

Secondly, only some types of
private investment create jobs.  Speculative investment does not
create jobs or help the economy in any way.  So when speculative
investment looks good, as it did in the 80's with all the takeovers,
job creation is lessened.

So the question is, which lowers job creation intensity (jobs/$ invested)
more, government pork, or nonproductive private investment?
>
>
>James W. Howe                  internet: jwh@citi.umich.edu
>University of Michigan             uucp: uunet!mailrus!citi.umich.edu!jwh
>Ann Arbor, MI   48103-4943         
>


-- 

		dingo in boulder	(dean@vexcel.com)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: ad626@yfn.ysu.edu (Steve Crocker)
Subject: Re: I Have Been Forbidden to Speak the Truth From THIS Account
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:22:20 GMT


James Gritton complains about the "wasted space" John's posts
take up on his system. I would suggest that the space is not
"wasted" as long as there are users on Mr. Gritton's system that
get some value from John's posts. But I also understand that an
administrator has to balance such considerations against the
system resource limitations of the equipment involved. Perhaps
Mr. Gritton could clarify the problem John's posts have been 
creating by giving us his estimate of what percentage of the 
total traffic his system handles is taken up by John's material.
Inquiring minds want to know.

-Steve
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd)
Subject: Re: Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent"
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:37:54 GMT

dobrien@sybase.com (Dave O'Brien) writes:
>I just saw "Manufacturing Consent", the documentary on Noam Chomsky and
>his view of the media.
>Anyone else see this? What did you think? I'd like to hear some opinions
>on it.

Yes, I even laughed, and didn't fidget despite the butt-killer length of
the film.  Doesn't Tom Wolf(e?) come off like a knob, too eh?  The Buckley
fidgeting with the ball point pen shot was worth the price of admission,
and the football stadium scene was worth the price of popcorn and large
coffee.
I was really amazed that the filmmakers (good ole, NFB types I think),
devoted the time they did to the sensorship issue when they could easily
have not mentioned it at all.
As for the use of swelly background sound tracks at "emotional moments" in
the film, I just considered it part of the comedy, like the huge shopping mall
wall TV, booming forth NOAM to the consumer public.
.
-- 
Pete Hurd, hurd@sfu.ca|
Behavioural Ecology   |
Dept.Biol.Sci., SFU.  |
Burnaby B.C., Canada  |"As miserable as ever" replied the enlightend Kyogen.
Xref: sparky alt.activism:18760 talk.politics.drugs:7462
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: SANE/FREEZE on Clinton Victory
Date: 6 Nov 92 11:42:06 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Nov5.065336.11316@mont.cs.missouri.edu>, Nigel Allen <nigel.allen@canrem.com> writes:
> Here is a press release from SANE/FREEZE

	Are these people still trying to get a nuclear freeze? :)

>    WASHINGTON, Nov. 4   -- The largest U.S. peace organization 
> today welcomed the election of Gov. Bill Clinton as
> president of the United States, saying that his message of change
> resonated with years of effort by many national organizations who
> urge redirection of resources from military spending to human
> needs.

	These peace-loving organizations were remarkably silent when Reagan
(and later Bush) reduced the number of nuclear weapons by 50%.

...
>    SANE/FREEZE is the nation's largest grassroots peace
> organization.  Its 100,000 members and 200 chapters work for
> nuclear disarmament, an end to the global arms trade and federal
> priorities emphasizing human needs over military spending.

	They might have a little more credibility if they would support the US
in arms reductions, instead of only supporting non-US initiatives and results.

Brett
===============================================================================
80s: 18 million new jobs, deficits down (%GNP), tax rates down, tax revenues up
GNP up, inflation down, unemployment down, interest rates down, cold war won
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.drugs
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: YYYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:11:48 GMT
Keywords: lame birds, Election, deliverance.

markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark) writes:

>In case nobody has noticed, this is NOT 1976, it's 1932!

Really, were you alive back in 1932?

If not, how would you know what it was like in 1932?

My grandparents seem to think that things are a whole lot better today then
they were in 1932, Clinton propaganda nonwithstanding.

MD
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From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: TRADE NEWS:MAQUILADORAS DON'T FOLLOW REGULATIONS 
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:50:23 EST
Followup-To: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Nov6.041324.24780@mont.cs.missouri.edu>, harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
> 
>     MAQUILADORAS DON'T FOLLOW REGULATIONS  
>     Of six majority U.S. - owned maquiladoras surveyed by the U.S.  
>     General Accounting Office (GAO),  none had done Environmental  
>     Impact Assessments (EIA's).  EAI's are required by  Mexican  
>     law.  Some plants had  also been allowed to start operating  
>     before it was issued an operating permit. 

	Sounds like a problem for the Mexican government.

Brett
===============================================================================
80s: 18 million new jobs, deficits down (%GNP), tax rates down, tax revenues up
GNP up, inflation down, unemployment down, interest rates down, cold war won
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From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 07 Nov 92 19:55 PST
Subject: Clinton and NY Times on Somalia
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1296500432:000:2325
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Nov  7 19:55:00 1992


From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject: Clinton and NY Times on Somalia

/* Written  7:36 pm  Nov  7, 1992 by AFRICA-L@VTVM2.apc.org in igc:bitl.africa */
/* ---------- "Clinton and NY Times on Somalia" ---------- */
Reply-To: "FORUM PAN-AFRICA (Peer Distribution List)"              <AFRICA-L@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject:      Clinton and NY Times on Somalia

The day after the election, Clinton spoke from the Arkansas Governor's
Mansion, and early in his speech spoke on foreign policy.  The last
thing he mentioned was that he would continue aid to the famine victims
in Somalia.-=---That position in last place was emphatic rather than
dismissive in effect.

So that's a great hope.  I think maybe the nationwide Somalia lobby has
been attracting attention--the fact that Clinton spoke so soon after the
election suggests that it's been on his mind--and maybe on Hilary's--

but didn't fit into his "concentrate-on-the-US-economy" election strategy.

We need White House phone and fax nos. now to keep the requests going in.


Also very heartening the day after the election was the appearance of
a NY Times editorial entitled "Don't Forsake Somalia."

Excertp:

   "No humanitarian crisis ought to rank higher on the next American
President's crowded docket.  Unless aid gets to the famine victims, the Red
Cross reckons, a third of the nation may perish.
    "It would be morally intolerable to acquiesce in this preventable
tragedy.  If fighting disrupts relief shipments, then quell the fighting.
If a bigger UN force is needed, then get it. If UN intervention means
looters risk being shot, that is a risk they bring on themselves...
     "Domestic American politics clearly played a role in Washington's
reluctant half-hearted response to pleas last January from Secretary
General Boutros Boutros-Ghali for a strong peacekeeping force in Somalia.
Only when spectral images of starving children appeared on prime time did
President Bush respond with a US airlift.
     "The world's great powers, notably America and the former Soviet
Union, poured weaponry into Somalia when the Horn of Africa was a strategic
battleground.  Now that the guns have been grabbed by warlords without
heart or scruple, the world's great powers have a moral obligation to
prevent much of the nation from dying."

Xref: sparky alt.activism:18757 alt.native:1283 talk.environment:4589
From: aforum@moose.uvm.edu (Autonome Forum)
Subject: AF/ATS: autonomists disrupt hypocrite rally in Berlin
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:12:20 GMT

posted by: AF/ATS
--

    Three hundred thousand people demonstrated in Berlin on 
Sunday against racism and extreme right wing violence.
Politicians at the demo were shouted down as racists and 
hypocrites and attacked by angry far-left anarchists with eggs and 
paint bombs.  The demonstration follows a summer of increased
attacks on foreigners in Germany.  In several cities pogroms 
were carried out against refugees by racist mobs of Germans.
The politicians at the demo claim they are against this
violence, while at the same time they are trying to abolish 
the right of asylum in Germany's constitution.  In case this 
constitutional amendment is not approved by the parliament
they threaten to enact the emergency laws to stop refugees 
from entering the country.
    In an unrelated case, an 86 year old former judge went
on trial in the German city of Leipzig today.  He is accused
of holding unfair trials against thousands of Nazi war
criminals in East Germany in the year 1950.  This is not
the first case of former East German citizens being tried
for suppposed crimes against Nazis.  In May 1992, 69 year 
old Gerhard Boegelein, a former fighter in the antifascist 
resistance was sentenced to life imprisonment.  He had been
sentanced for the first degree murder of a former Nazi judge
in 1947.  Almost all witnesses against him were dedicated Nazis.
Gerhard Boegelein himself denies being guilty of the accusation. 

--
                     Autonome Forum: aforum@moose.uvm.edu
                          "Solidarity is a Weapon!"
--
From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: I Have Been Forbidden to Speak the Truth From THIS Account
Date: 7 Nov 92 11:52:13 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

[text deleted]

> The issue at hand is whether a large corporation should be
>allowed to selectively impose on the basic rights of its employees, with
>the effect that only those political beliefs deemed acceptable by the
>corporation are expressed.  I believe that such policies damage our society
>and our system of democracy.  I also believe that the corporations have
>a responsibility to aid and work within our system of democracy.  Therefore,
>I believe that AT&Ts decision to silence John DiNardo is irresponsible.  It
>is also unjust in that no financial cost has been incurred by AT&T due
>to the specific content of John DiNardo's posts.  AT&T is practicing a
>form of censorship that has no place in a free and democratic society, and
>I look forward to the day when such practices are eliminated, either
>voluntarily or by force of law.

>   -Guy Schiavone

	This says so very much in so little space.  Thanks.

-Joe Gaut