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From: amnell@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Marko Amnell)
Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy
Subject: Re: Simulated Brain
Date: 13 Oct 92 08:53:47 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In <1992Oct12.224008.16222@news.media.mit.edu> minsky@media.mit.edu 
(Marvin Minsky) writes:

> In other words, does Searle suggest any reason why the mind-stuff is
>secreted by the hydrocarbons -- rather than the equally plausible (and
>more widely believed) hypothesis that the breath of life comes
>directly from the Good Lord?

I don't know about Searle, but how do you discount the possibility that
some undiscovered biological microstructure plays a crucial role in
consciousness, and that no non-Carbon based substitute could replace
it? (Another gem after p.300 of TSoM? :-)  I mean, our present understanding
of life, brains and matter is so sketchy that strong AI seems like pure
speculation to me.  I'm open to the possibility that a machine
(conceived of in the reductionist way you suggest) could think, but does
this automatically mean that its mind would be imbued with the same
conscious experiences that accompany our thoughts, in all their wondrous
splendour?  What I'm saying is that maybe machines could one day think,
but they still wouldn't be conscious in the way we are.

-- 
Marko Amnell
amnell@klaava.helsinki.fi
Graduate Student in Philosophy
Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy
From: minsky@media.mit.edu (Marvin Minsky)
Subject: Re: Word Mechanics (was: parts of "Brain and Mind") 
Cc: minsky
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:41:46 GMT

In article <c99-aa.718545726@danube.Berkeley.EDU> c99-aa@danube.Berkeley.EDU (c99 account) writes:
>dab@ism.isc.com (Dave Butterfield) writes:
>
>>The origin of the word "mama" (and its close relatives in other languages)
>>appears to contradict that statement.  "Ma" is one of the easiest syllables
>>to utter, and is one of the first spoken by infants.  The first entity that
>>an infant wants to refer to is his mother. 
>   Why not that it's wet or hungry?  Besides there is any number of acounts
>   of infants' first words being something else (papa or other)...

Not necessarily different.  The infant may not have much of an "object
concept" yet, and might first form a functional-representation for
"whatever-helps-stop-being-wet-or-hungry-or-cold,etc."  And it is
conceivable that there could be a hardware "OR" for several such
discomfort-detectors, and that they have better-than-chance
connections to some vocal actions.  Virtually all other mammals do!

Newsgroups: comp.ai,comp.ai.neural-nets,comp.ai.philosophy,sci.psychology
From: chalmers@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (David Chalmers)
Subject: Re: Human intelligence vs. Machine intelligence
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 06:21:41 GMT

In article <OZ.92Oct12011443@ursa.sis.yorku.ca> oz@ursa.sis.yorku.ca (Ozan Yigit) writes:

>I don't think this sound-bite summary of yours does justice to his
>paper. For example, Kirk also argues that one is _not_ required to
>grant Lucas or any other bearer of G"odelian argument that anybody 
>at anytime instentiate ony _one_ formal system.

AI (in common incarnations) claims that there exist computational
objects such that implementations of these have at least our
mathematical competence.  That's all that's required for the
Lucas argument to run.  AI also often claims that there exist
computational objects such that implementations of these simulate
my behaviour.  That's more than what's required, but it's certainly
enough.

Whether we "instantiate" one or more formal systems is not the point
(we certain implement many).  What matters is whether there is one
that can simulate us.

>It also includes a
>reply to, what I believe to be the gist of your "misses the point"
>bit [elided, see <Bvz218.5B6@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>] at page 448.

The objection there isn't quite the same as mine, but is is related.
His reply, in any case, seems to miss the point -- nothing in the
objection implies that the person's sentence-outputs will be theorems
of the formal system that simulates physics.  It's saying that given
such a formal system, one can readily extract the sentences from it.

In any case, my version didn't require that we can translate his actions
into sentences.  All we have to do is distinguish between two
prespecified kinds of action, a yes-action and a no-action.  The
sentences are given as *input*, so we can fix their form.

-- 
Dave Chalmers                            (dave@cogsci.indiana.edu)      
Center for Research on Concepts and Cognition, Indiana University.
"It is not the least charm of a theory that it is refutable."
Newsgroups: comp.ai,comp.ai.shells
From: rgopu@cs.tamu.edu (Rangarathnam Gopu)
Subject: Help - Adding a function to CLIPS Ver 5.0
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:47:12 GMT

	Hi,

	If you are not familiar with CLIPS this may be uninteresting to
	you. If so press 'n' now.

	

	I am trying to add a few functions to CLIPS ver 5.0 and 
	I get the following errors when I use make. 

|------------------>>>>
gcc -O -c -I/bin bload.c
bload.c: In function `GenRead':
bload.c:823: warning: shift count exceeds width of value shifted

gcc -O -c -I/bin bsave.c
bsave.c: In function `BsaveExpression':
bsave.c:372: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size

gcc -O -c -I/bin genrcbin.c
genrcbin.c: In function `BsaveGenerics':
genrcbin.c:335: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
<<<<------------------|

	The executable "clips" is created, but whent I try to run it 
	I get the following message.

|------------------>>>>
sparc47%clips
*** CLIPS SYSTEM ERROR ***
ID = GENERATE1
CLIPS data structures are in an inconsistent or corrupted state.
This error may have occurred from errors in user defined code.
**************************
sparc47%
<<<<------------------|


	Below is a an extract from the modified main.c: This is the 
	only part that I added, besides prototyping the function 
	gopu_start_time at the beginning of main.c. I know CLIPS has
	a function called time that returns the current time, but for
	some reason it always returns 0.0 on the Sparc I work on.
	Anyway, I need to write other functions too, so any help
	would be invaluable.

|------------------>>>>
VOID UserFunctions()
  {
  DefineFunction("gopu_start_time",'l',gopu_start_time,"gopu_start_time");
  }

long int gopu_start_time()

  {
  long int dummy=(long)(time(NULL));
  return(dummy);
  }
<<<<------------------|


	I would appreciate any help offerred. My email addresss:

	rgopu@cs.tamu.edu

	Thanks.
--
------
Gopu
rgopu@cs.tamu.edu			ParukkuLE nalla naadu
Texas A&M University			EngaL Baaratha naadu
Newsgroups: comp.ai
From: kohl@gmdzi.gmd.de (Andy Kohl)
Subject: Re: looking for a public domain ES shell in Lisp ...
Followup-To: comp.ai
Organization: GMD
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:09:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.032452.3617@nuscc.nus.sg>, iscliub@nuscc.nus.sg (Liu
Bing (Dr)) wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know of a public domain Expert System shell in Common Lisp?
> It does not have to be a full-blown system as long as it has the basics,
> such as forward chaining and backward chaining. 
> 
Here at GMD we have developed a development environment for expert systems
called BABYLON. It provides frames (including multiple values, active
values,..), rules (backward and forward), constraints, a prolog-like logic
formalism, and a description language for diagnostic apllications. BABYLON
is implemented in CommonLisp and ported to a wide range of hardware
platforms. Cause of the object-oriented implementation style it is easy to
extend and adapt BABYLON to your needs.
A version for MacIntosh, including a window-based interface, is available
in two ways. First, Apple ships it on a CD-ROM with their final version of
MacIntosh Allegro Common Lisp version 2.0. The second and probably
preferable way is to by the book "The AI Workbench BABYLON", which contains
*full source code* of BABYLON and the stand-alone version for the Mac (so
you need not MACL at all). The book descibes the use of BABYLON and its
implementaion in very detail.

T.Christaller, et al.
The AI Workbench BABYLON
An Open and Portable Development Environment for Expert Systems
Academic Press, London, 1992
ISBN 0-12-174235-0
474 pages

__________________________________________________________________
Andy Kohl
Artificial Intelligence Research Division    e-mail: kohl@gmdzi.gmd.de
German National Research Center              phone:    +49-2241-142681
for Computer Science (GMD)                   fax:      +49-2241-142072
P.O. Box 1316
W-5205 Sankt Augustin 1     ( G E R M A N Y )
Newsgroups: comp.ai.edu
From:  yura@polradis.spb.su (Yury Suharevsky)
Subject: HELP me with LOGO for IBM PC
Reply-To: yura@polradis.spb.su
Organization: JV POLRADIS (St.Petersburg)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:43:06 GMT

Help me ! I need language programming LOGO for IBM PC.

Thanks.

E-mail  yura@polradis.spb.su
----

Newsgroups: comp.ai.edu
From: std_wauters@hg.uleth.ca
Subject: looking for info
Reply-To: std_wauters@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:34:32 GMT

Does anyone have the e-mail address for anyone at
the Catholic University of Leuven, Leuven, Belgium.
I am trying to contact the AI Department there:
The address I have (which does not work) is:
	gery@blekul11oearn

It is obvious that this address is not correct, and 
I've attempted every correlation of the node. 

Apparently, there is an AI program at K.U.Leuven, and 
I'd like to get info. \

Please send all information to me directly at:
	STD_WAUTERS@HG.ULETH.CA

Any info, including e-mail addresses in Belgium
that might lead me to this department will be 
appreciated. Thanks, Brennan Wauters.
Newsgroups: comp.ai.edu
From: cs105ta2@scs.carleton.ca (Rick Wirthlin)
Subject: AI and Chaos in a Parallel/Distributed environment
Summary: looking for sources for AI applications to chaos
Keywords: AI, Artificial Intelligence, Chaos, Parallel Computing
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:11:15 GMT

Hello all!

My teammates and I are looking for any work done on Chaos in a parallel
or distributed environment.  We are doing a project on using AI to
try to predict or prevent chaos in these environments.

If anyone knows of any work done in this area (or something similar),
we would appreciate hearing from you.

You can reply via Email to CS105TA2@TURING.SCS.CARLETON.CA

Thanks in advance
Rick Wirthlin
Computer Science, Carleton University.





Newsgroups: comp.ai
From: barkerb@slab.unt.edu (BOB BARKER)
Subject: Searle and AI - clarification needed
Organization: School of Library & Info Sci, UNT
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:21:34 GMT

I am writing a research paper on AI and expert systems and have run upon 
the work of Dreyfus and Searle and now need some questions answered.  I hope 
the AI fraternity here does not object to what is probably some very basic 
questions.

1. Searle talks about 'weak' and 'strong' AI.  Could someone give me a quick 
   and dirty definition of each?

2. Are expert systems, neural nets, etc., considered to be either weak or 
   strong or are they entirely different things?

3. Is the weak/strong concept a division that is generally accepted to exist 
   or is it a grammatical construct by Searle for arguments sake?

4. Last but not least, could someone enlighten me as to the current state of 
   AI.  By that I mean, what type of work is currently considered to be 
   a part of the AI field (expert systems, neural nets, cognitive studies, 
   etc).

To any and all respondents, I thank you.  For all our sakes, short answers 
are the order of the day.

Thanks again.

Bob Barker
barkerb@slab.unt.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.ai,comp.robotics,sci.electronics
Subject: Stiquito Mailing List
Date: 15 Oct 1992 01:28:43 GMT
Organization: Experimental Computing Facility, Univ. of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: graft.berkeley.edu

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Possible subjects of discussion include (but are not limited to) construction
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There is no nifty packet of subscription information; we will be collecting
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Discussion on the list will also be saved in a digest form and will be
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Newsgroups: comp.ai,news.answers
From: burt@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Burt Voorhees)
Newsgroups: comp.ai,comp.ai.neural-nets,comp.ai.philosophy,sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Human intelligence vs. Machine intelligence
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:22:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: aupair.burt.718665726
Followup-To: comp.ai


  I find it interesting tht people who support what is called "strong AI"
are now trying to get out of the Godel argument against this by saying
that Godel's theorems only apply to consistent systems and it is clear
that any machine which matches human capacities would have to be running
on some sort of inconsistent system.
  As I have underwstood it, the strong AI position is that it is possible
to create intelligent behavior on sequential machines running formal
programs.  Last I heard formal programs were required to be based on
consistent formal systems.
  Seems to me there's a bit of a contradiction there.  But then, allowing
inconsistency, I guess that's okay.
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From: yhuang@cs.ucsd.edu (Yudong Huang)
Newsgroups: comp.ai,comp.ai.edu
Subject: rule-based expert system code wanted
Keywords: rule based expert system
Date: 16 Oct 92 08:19:00 GMT
Followup-To: poster

Hi,

I am working on the topic : verification and validation of
rule-based expert systems. At current stage, I need some "real"
expert systems as examples to see how effective my method
could be. 

Can someone give me some idea about where I can get free real
expert system code from this network, either from FTP or from
e-mail? I prefer the system being implemented in Prolog or
OPS5 or ART or LISP. Also, the method I used assumes that the
validator can understand some expert domain knowledge by
reading the code. It is even better if there are other kinds of
documentations available in addition to the code.

Any suggestion is highly appreciated. Please send answers to 
yhuang@cs.ucsd.edu

Thanks in advance.

    --yhuang
Newsgroups: comp.ai,comp.ai.neural-nets,comp.ai.philosophy,sci.psychology
From: oz@ursa.sis.yorku.ca (Ozan Yigit)
Subject: Re: Human intelligence vs. Machine intelligence
Organization: York U. Student Information Systems Project
	<burt.718738730@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca>
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:43:59 GMT

Burt Voorhees writes [in response to my impression that
searle and penrose are ignored]:

     Really?  I was just resently sent a list of 38 references to papers
   about the Chinese Room, all in major technical journals, with an appended
   comment that this was only a partial listing of all the papers which have
   been written on this.  The fact that every AI proponent who srites about
   machine intelligence seems to feel it necessary to try and refute the
   Searle argument to me indicates .. blah blah...

Those are probably the refs Chalmers have posted in the past. They are
fun to read, and pay special attention to the "systems reply", a reply
Searle appearently doesn't want to understand. It is also worth noting
that fifty-sixty (if that many) articles in a decade does not add upto
"every AI proponent who writes about machine intelligence".

     As for Penrose, I think that most AI people just don't know how to
   reply to him.  Other than attempting to down play his book, of course.

OF course! What else could it possibly be? :-]

oz
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From: dowding@ai.sri.com (John Dowding)
Newsgroups: comp.ai
Subject: How often are random word strings grammatical?
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:51:02 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: rwojcik@atc.boeing.com's message of 30 Sep 92 18:47:18 GMT


A related question to "how many sentences?" is how frequently is a
random string of words of fixed length and fixed vocubulary
grammatical/semantically coherent.

So, assuming a sensible vocabulary of M words, what percentage of the
strings of length N are grammatical?

The use I can imagine making of this is to estimate the
overgeneration of an NL understanding system.  
--
John Dowding
dowding@ai.sri.com
From: bruce@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Bruce Stephens)
Newsgroups: comp.ai
Subject: Re: Human intelligence vs. Machine intelligence
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:24:37 GMT
	<burt.718398109@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca>
Followup-To: comp.ai.philosophy
Organization: Centre for Mathematical Software Research, Univ. Liverpool, UK

Followup-To: comp.ai.philosophy

>>>>> On 6 Oct 92, burt@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Burt Voorhees) said:

> *>>  Read Penrose's,  "The Emperor's New Mind".  All the rest is nonesense.

> [about why nobody is bothering to refute Penrose's arguments.]

>   More likely, nobody in the AI community can refute them.

Or perhaps they feel that they've already done so.

The Godel argument is hardly new, for example.  I thought Minsky's
argument in comp.ai.philosophy a few months ago was a pretty good
defense: essentially he argued that humans don't use consistent
systems of logical reasoning, and that is why we might be immune to
Godel-type limitations.

I thought Moravec's argument (shortly after Penrose's book was
published, and available from the PHILOSOP-L filestore amongst other
places) that humans are parts of open systems, constantly interacting
with the outside world (I guess this is similar to Harnad's
"transductionism" or whatever you might call it) makes arguments from
analysing Turing-machines pretty weak.

So what's left?
--
Bruce Stephens
Newsgroups: comp.ai,seminars
From: jplaure@IMAG.FR (Jean-Pierre Laurent)
Newsgroups: comp.ai
Subject: IJCAI-93 Reminder
Date: 16 Oct 92 09:18:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: imag.9210160918.AA25158
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Newsgroups: comp.ai
From: tim@massive.its.bldrdoc.gov (Tim Butler)
Subject: Mail Archive Server for FLR
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:45:38 GMT
Organization: NTIA/ITS, Boulder, CO


	The Internet Fuzzy Logic Repository is now accessable through a 
	mail archive server, rnalib.

	If you send mail to rnalib@its.bldrdoc.gov with the appropriate 
	commands in the messge body, rnalib will mail you the results.
	Files may be retreived compressed and uuencoded.

	Command lines _must_ begin with the characters @@ and must not contain 
	tabs or naughty characters like "*/\'`"|. The following commands 
	are recognized : help, index, list, find, send, credits.

	Here are some examples.

	Send the following message to receive help on using the server.

	@@ help


	List the libraries available.

	@@ index

	List the contents of the fuzzy-txt library.

	@@ list fuzzy-txt


	Get the file bboards from the fuzzy-txt library in compressed form.
	(and thus uuencoded form also).

	@@ send bboards from fuzzy-txt with compress


-- 

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NTIA/ITS.N3
Boulder, CO 80303-3328                  (303) 497-3606
Newsgroups: comp.ai,comp.lang.lisp,sci.math
From: akriger@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Ackerman's function
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:01:54 GMT

While working on a LISP programming excercise, I ran across the following
recursive function definition:

ACKERMAN'S FUNCTION
The function A operates on two arguments m,n
A(0,n)=n+1
A(m,0)=A(m-1,1)
A(m,n)=A(m-1,A(m,n-1))

Upon programming, I discovered that the definition is deceptive in its
simplicity.  Specifically, does the function has a definition for all 
possible m,n?  Is there a more general function to describe this function?
etc....etc...
I am looking for information and references regarding Ackerman's function.
If anyone can help, send email to akriger@hamp.hampshire.edu 

-andrew kriger
From: milan@bcsaic.boeing.com (Milan Richter)
Newsgroups: comp.ai
Subject: Re: need a nonlinear planner in C or prolog
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:23:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Boeing Computer Services

In article <1992Oct6.230156.947@ads.com> marcel@ADS.COM (Marcel Schoppers) writes:
>
>Does anyone know of a public-domain, nonlinear planner written in C or C++
>or prolog?

what is a nonlinear planner?

-- milan richter
Newsgroups: comp.ai
From: nauck@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (Detlef Nauck)
Subject: Re: neuro-fuzzy-controller
Reply-To: nauck@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (Detlef Nauck)
Organization: TU Braunschweig, Informatik (Bueltenweg), Germany
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:28:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.132725.10024@newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de> hueske@iw.uni-hannover.de writes:
>Our project is to develop a Neuro-Fuzzy-Controller for an underwater vehicle
>(ROV, AUV). We would like to know if there are any references about this or similar
>subjects. Furthermore we are interested in PD-software about neuro-fuzzy.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Marc Hueske
>
>
>
Hi,

I have gathered a BibTeX database of 77 articles concerning neuro-fuzzy.
It can be retrieved by anonymous ftp from ftp.tu-bs.de. The file resides 
in the directory local/papers and its name is fuzzy-nn.bib. I will send it
by email, if you don't have ftp access.

To Marc: Contact me by email etc. for more info.

Detlef.

==============================================================================
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Dept. of Computer Science               Fax  : 49.531.391.5936
Technical University of Braunschweig    Email: nauck@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de
Bueltenweg 74 - 75                            
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