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From: luigi@sgi.com (Randy Palermo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Re: Say it's so! Baseball in Tampa Bay!!!
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:26:06 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

In article <10010661@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella) writes:
>In rec.sport.baseball, jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes:
>
>> Since I am somewhat of a tradtionalist in baseball, I would
>> like to have seen the Giants stay in SF.
>
>Seems to me a "real" traditionalist would want them back in NY :-)
>
>But I agree with your points, and in fact would state them more strongly:
>this was NOT a sudden, revengeful, childish decision.  He has been saying for
>years that he would move the team it if a new park wasn't built, so it's not
>like local buyers didn't have time to put an offer together.  They've literally
>had years.  The local buyers missed their deadline, and that's all there is to
>it.
>
>> > A businessman would have entertained all offers and picked the best one. 
>
>No, a businessman sets a timetable and listens to all offers that came in on
>time; he doesn't wait indefinitely.
>
Correct, but he did not do that. He said he would take the 1st reasonable
offer that hit his desk and thats what he did. No timetable.

luigi
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From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Last-place Cy Young
Date: 15 Aug 92 20:29:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.36877
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <1137.2a8ba9c3@atlas.nafb.trw.com> dsimon@atlas.nafb.trw.com writes:
>Has the Cy Young Award ever been awarded to a pitcher on a last place team?

Might I suggest the 1972 Carlton model?  27-10 for a really
rotten Philly team.  Truly one of the finest seasons ever,
and all it did was get the team up to a .375 winning percentage.

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From: alvstad@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
Subject: Re: Absolutely Horrific Red Sox-Indians Game
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:20:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.172330.25148@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (C Squared) writes:
>In article <14AUG199210431896@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov> ecaxron@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Graham) writes:
>>
>>The Red Sox payroll is up around $35M, which in and of itself is not such
>>a big deal, except for payment for non-performance (e.g. Matt Young, and
>>do people feel they are getting enough bang for the buck out of Danny
>>Darwin, Jack Clark, Bruno, etc?).  These big buck players take up space
>>on the roster that IMPO inhibits the development of reasonably good 
>>younger players.
>>
>I agree with all that except for Bruno.  He's been playing well, and on days
>that Clemens doesn't pitch he is carrying the team (not very far mind you but...
>And I don't tink he's making quite as much as those other stiffs.  He is
>certainly producing more.
>
>C Squared

Same here.  Bruno has been a big plus for the Sox.  Darwin, Matt Young, and 
(bankrupt?? how did he manage that one?) Jack Clark have been big busts for
the Red Sox.

Joel Alvstad
St. Olaf College
Northfield, MN
alvstad@stolaf.edu

TWINS 1992--Back 2 Back
From: a_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: JEFF REARDON
Date: 16 Aug 92 19:18:57 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Aug16.063315.14427@news.stolaf.edu>, alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad) writes:
> Then again, while he was with the Twins, Reardon gave away many a game (one in
> Baltimore seems to stick in my mind.  Anyone else remember this?).
> 

	He does it even in baseball simulations (I remember back-to-back games
where he gave up HRs to batters leading off in the top of the 10th, which
proved to be game winners in each case).

Brandon Cope
From: zappala@Xerox.com (Daniel Zappala)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Save the Giants
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:47:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: parc.1992Aug17.194715.27394
Reply-To: zappala@Xerox.com (Daniel Zappala)
Organization: Xerox PARC

In article <DPASSAGE.92Aug17112601@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU>, dpassage@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU (David Paschich) writes:
> 
> How does this affect your ability to sell your share in the team?
> Sure, it might make the stock less attractive, but there are _lots_ of
> people who will pay more than the "book value" just to say they own a
> piece of the Giants.
> 
> And if stock in the Giants really did go public, we could finally test
> Sherri's assertion that no Major League team really loses money, since
> they'd have to publish quarterly reports.  In fact, I wouldn't be
> surprised if the owners squashed it for just that reason.
> 

Didn't the Boston Celtics do this a while back?  I seem to remember it
not being very popular once the novelty wore off... 

Daniel
From: hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch)
Subject: Re: simulation games
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:22:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.024520.16951@midway.uchicago.edu>, nss3@midway.uchicago.edu writes...
>In article <10010662@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella) writes:
> 
>[stuff about PTP deleted]
> 
>>Almost everything you listed about PTP applies to Strat as well, except in the
>>latter, ballpark adjustment applies only to home runs and singles.  What I
>>would think are the advantages of PTP is the potentially more realistic
>>fielding system, but I fear their cards are based on flawed statistics which
>>make it no better than Strat's apparent basis on "placement in Gold Glove
>>voting" for range.
> 
>Actually, PTP seems to use Range Factor [(PO + A)/Innings].  Though I
>suppose one might say that only strenghtens Marc's point :-).  Still,
>Range Factor is an improvement over Gold Glove voting (bleah!).  Omar
>Vizquel a 3.  Riiiiight.
> 

It's interesting to note that the board game ratings for PTP are different
than those used in the computer version of the game.  I've played Strat
for years, but recently purchased PTP (board and computer), and was quite
impressed by the fielding ratings and system in the board game.  But the
computer version had very different ratings (for example, Van Slyke was
given the highest 'range' rating in the board game (certainly justifiable)
, but a rating of FAIR in the computer game!!).  There are numerous
 examples similar to this in the computer game--I had to manually edit ratings
 in the computer game to bring them into line with the cards (and reality).

Strat's system isn't BAD, but it shafts players without reputations (like
Vizquel) and utility players get murdered.  And veteran players who lost their
range long ago (can you say TREE STUMP--sure you can...) still get 2's and
3's when they should have been 4's long ago.  

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From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: RC/27 for 2Bs
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:46:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.200631.21249@sni.ca> dave@silver.sni.ca (Dave Till) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.224039.13515@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>>AMERICAN LEAGUE
>>Roberto Alomar, Toronto		8.00	; but no, he is not American :-)
>
>Isn't he from Puerto Rico, and isn't Puerto Rico an American possession?
>I thought Puerto Ricans *were* Americans.  Am I wrong?  Has this changed?

I believe the phrase is "commonwealth in free association with the United States
of America", or something very similar. For some purposes, the are US citizens,
and they do (I believe) carry US passports (correct me if I'm wrong). Certainly
the fall under many of our social spending programs. So, technically, they
are US citizens, though a special category of citizen.

Mike
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From: binkley@epas.utoronto.ca (P. Binkley)
Subject: Re: Wells/Gaston
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:52:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.195717.21938@u.washington.edu> sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith) writes:
...
>                      But the real reason Wells was left in the game was that
>Pobre-Cito was still hurting from an incident that occurred, what, over a year
>ago now?
...
>             Cito got to show Wells what happens to people who make him look
>bad, and that's the most important thing in Cito's mind.

Evidence?

Peter Binkley
binkley@epas.utoronto.ca

From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:09:48 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Mel's Enfant Terrible Todd (WAS Question-infield fly rule)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

In rec.sport.baseball, krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger) writes:

> If I understand correctly, the infield fly rule is to prevent the fielder 
> from dropping the ball on purpose to get a double play.  What I don't
> understand, is why does there have to be runners at first AND second for
> it to be called.  If there is a runner at first only, it is just as possible
> for the fielder to drop the ball for the double play.

A batter who allows himself to be thrown out on a dropped pop fly *deserves*
to be put out.  Whereas two runner on base realistically have to hold their
original bases in antipation of the ball being caught.

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From: ncovey@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neil covey)
Subject: Dodger Expansion draft news???
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:07:57 GMT

We Dodger fans in Middle America don't get much news so let us know what
the plans or rumors of plans are for the expansion draft.  As I recall,
each team gets to protect 15 players (is this from the major league
roster or are minor-league phenoms eligible too?).  That sounds like
eight starters, a five-man rotation, and either a couple of relievers
or
a couple of subs.  So who goes, who's protected?  I figure Astacio is in
and perhaps Candiotti or Ojeda are hanging (Clare gives Perranoski [sp?]
one more year to turn Kevin Gross into the next Mike Morgan?) Hansen,
Offerman, Karros, Young, and either Piazza or Hernandez are safe??--so
what about Rodriguez and Goodwin, both of whom have been hitting fairly
well of late.  Scioscia is a free-agent and will probably retire or be
playing someplace east of Chavez Ravine next year; will Davis be
re-signed?  Enquiring minds want to know.  Surely the LA papers have
been speculating or interviewing or something.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Mattingly & Murray vs. Milligan  was: Re: Oriole News -
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 19:34:02 GMT

In article <5646@transfer.stratus.com> gene@ok.sw.stratus.com (Eugene Loparco) writes:

>Would you bat Mark McGwire, Frank Thomas, and Mickey Tettleton leadoff just
>because they get alot of walks?  Of course not because they have power.
>Milligan used to have power but no longer does (at least this year).  Does
>that mean that all of a sudden he has turned into a great prospect for a
>leadoff hitter?  *I* don't think so.

Milligan is no slugger.  His career .443 is just 3 points above Rickey
Henderson.  He has a career .390 OBP as well.

>That's not his job.  If that WERE his job he WOULD be batting leadoff.  No
>matter whose to blame, he is NOT a leadoff hitter and he is NOT doing a good
>job in his current position in the order.

So, he should be punished for what Johnny Oates does?

>Yes, but Murray does more with his non-outs.

How much more?  Not much.  Remember, SLG is supposed to measure how well a
batter advances himself and his teammates, but a walk (not included in SLG)
sometimes advances a teammate, and therefore SLG punishes the people who walk
somewhat.  (RC adds .26 for a walk in the slugging component.)

>Yes, Thomas is god.  McGwire is having a career year (better than '87).
>Molitor and Fielder are having another great year.  But Olerud and Joyner?  
>I disagree.  (You can't convince me otherwise so don't bother).

Mattingly is god.  Fielder is god.  DiSarcina is god.  Hayes is god.
(Add appropriate woofings)  You can't convince me otherwise so don't bother.

>MUCH BETTER. Which brings up a point, have you ever seen these guys PLAY?  Yes
>that's right, actually play.  If you did, you'd understand that there is a
>big difference between Don Mattingly's defense and Randy Milligan's defense.

Have you ever seen these guys play, for 162 games?  Besides, your observation
of the Mattingly past probably is cloudy your observation of the Mattingly
present.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: cvalcour@ptex.Prime.COM (Chris Valcourt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Injury Reports
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:10:49 GMT
Reply-To: cvalcour@ptex.Prime.COM (Chris Valcourt)
Distribution: na
Organization: Computervision, a Company of Prime Computer, Inc.


Does anyone out there know where I can get up to date injury 
reports off the net ?
I am interested in Carney Lansford and Dean Palmer at the moment.
Are these two guys just on the bench or did someone shoot them ?
I've been following the boxes and all of a sudden these guys
disappear.

Thanks for any help
Chris Valcourt
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: simulation games
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 00:25:24 GMT

In article <14AUG199216220398@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch) writes:
>It's interesting to note that the board game ratings for PTP are different
>than those used in the computer version of the game.

Less surprising when you realize that the board game and computer game were
developed completely independently.

>for years, but recently purchased PTP (board and computer), and was quite
>impressed by the fielding ratings and system in the board game.  But the
>computer version had very different ratings (for example, Van Slyke was
>given the highest 'range' rating in the board game (certainly justifiable)
>, but a rating of FAIR in the computer game!!).  There are numerous
> examples similar to this in the computer game--I had to manually edit ratings
> in the computer game to bring them into line with the cards (and
>reality).

How exactly do you know what "reality" is?  A FAIR rating for Van Slyke at
this point isn't all that out of line; he's clearly not covering the ground
he used to.  He's simply not as fast as he used to be, and hasn't been for
quite a while.  Take a look at the other numbers that relate to speed; he
hits about half the triples he did at his peak, and steals half the bases.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com


From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 21:12:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Realignment with the Tampa Giants
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

This does not make sense.  Now the Padres and Dodgers must make visits to
Atlanta, Tampa Bay and Miami to play inside their own divisions.  Thats nuts.

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From: zappala@Xerox.com (Daniel Zappala)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Who's playing at Candlestick?
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:16:41 GMT
Reply-To: zappala@Xerox.com (Daniel Zappala)
Organization: Xerox PARC
Bcc: balauro@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu

In article <92227.112311BALAURO@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, BALAURO@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
> Are there any games this weekend at Candlestick Park?  And who is playing?
> Thank You

The Giants are away, playing the Dodgers, from today through Monday.
This is great!  I can see my two favorite NL teams on TV!

The Giants return to Candlestick on Tuesday for three against the Cubbies,
three against the Pirates, and three against the Mets.


Daniel
world's only Dodgers&Giants fan
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From: shiao@ans.net (Dennis Shiao)
Subject: The Astros' Journey
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:28:47 GMT
Organization: Advanced Network & Services, Inc. - Elmsford, NY


Excuse me if this is a dumb question, but why did the Astros take
off several weeks before the Republican National Convention started ?
Does it take *that* long to prepare the Dome ?

-Dennis.
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Cy Young Update
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 03:53:02 GMT


The only Cy Young contender to start tonight was Kevin Appier.  He
pitched a complete game for the loss, giving up three runs.  (I
believe they were all earned.)  This drops his record to 13-5, and
raises his ERA to a *horrible* 2.36!  :-)

Appier is 32.2 innings above a 2.00 ERA.  Clemens, with two fewer ER,
only needs back-to-back shutouts (one of them a 10-inning job) to drop
his ERA below 2.  Both are unlikely, but not impossible.

Cheers,
-Valentine
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From: mkipp@ems.cdc.com (M. Kipp)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Orioles/Jays --> Game 4
Keywords: O's/Jay's Game 4 Highlights
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:39:34 GMT
Reply-To: mkipp@ems.cdc.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Empros Systems International, Plymouth, MN


  Could someone please periodically post the score/highlights of today's
 O's/Jay's Game while it is in progress?

  Also, who do the Jays play in the near future.  The O's travel to KC for
 a 3 game series this weekend, then are home for 9 games againist the M's
 Oakland and California.

  The outcome of today's game and the next few series for both teams could
 make the Jay's at Camden Yards series, Sept 22-24, really interesting.

  Thanks in Advance,
   Mark Kipp
   Baltimore Gas & Electric
   c/o Empros Systems International
   Plymouth, MN
From: kubey@summit.wpd.sgi.com (Ken Kubey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,ba.sport
Subject: Save the Giants
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:59:45 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA


  Baseball Fans,
  If you want the Giants to stay in the Bay Area, please print the 
  following coupon (copied without permission from page A-10 of
  the 8/13/92 edition of The San Francisco Chronicle), and fill it out.
  The Chrinicle will send copies to Fay and the owners for you.

  Mail this coupon to:

  SAVE THE GIANTS 
  San Francisco Chronicle
  901 Mission Street
  San Francisco, CA 94103-2988


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From: etxjdry@caddie.ericsson.se (El Burro Grande)
Subject: Poll: more votes please
Reply-To: etxjdry@caddie.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:26:39 GMT


Hi,

I have received quite a lot of answers on my poll now. The problem is that most of them are from USA, Canada, Australia, England, Finland and India. I would like to have more votes from specially Africa (only one so far - from South Africa), South America (only two), more from Asia and Europe (and Scandinavia - only the Finns have responded yet).


The rules:
Reply to this post with the five team sports you think are largest in your home country/ the country you live in and also note what country.

 With large I mean you should consider the sports that got most coverage in media and not with the most performer. You should also consider the national league coverage rather than national team.

With team sport I mean a sport that is performed on an arena of some kind with two teams. I don't consider the kind of sports there you can have teams meeting the others teams on an individual basis, for example as in table tennis.

I will leave up to your own judgement on sports I don't know about. Included in this post a list of sports I consider being suitable - but your free to include other sports.

Since people in the same country will have different opinions on which sports are the largest in their country I will make an average list for all countries. 

Hopefully this will give some kind of indication on which sports are the most world spread and end all the flaming discussions on this issue.

Deadline will be 30/8, replies after that won't be considered. please also don't include too long comments.

Here's my list for Sweden:

1. Football (soccer)
2. Ice Hockey
3. Bandy
4. team Handball
5. Basketball

(I don't consider volleyball since the national league coverage is very small though the natioanl team received much more coverage than the basketball national team lately. Of course other Swedes probably have anothet opinion.
Bandy is a sport that is very popular in Sweden, Finland and Russia. Shortly it can be described as a combination of Field Hockey and football played on ice.)

List of suitable sports:
Football (also rugby, american, australian, gaelic etc.)
Hockey (Ice, Field, Roller)
Polo (water, Horse)
Handball
Volleyball
Bandy (also indoor)
Baseball, Softball, Cricket, Boboll
Basketball
Freesby
Lacrosse
Underwater rugby

This  is all I can think of now. Must be more so don't mind if your soport isn't included.


John Dryselius

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