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From: hafner@ifi.unizh.ch (Michel Hafner)
Subject: Re: Enough is Enough 
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 11:41:08 GMT

In article <Bzq2Jz.K1q@nic.umass.edu> a0s5108@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Neal and Mara Priestly) writes:
>>If you
>>compare the US revenues of a major foreign ( not English spoken )  hit ( 
>>Cinema Paradiso, High Heels... ) with the domestic hits there is a BIG diffe-
>>rence. This difference is not so big in European countries. US movies are on
>>top there too, but the best local and non US movies are not 90-99% behind!
>Consider this...How far do you have to travel from LA to reach someplace
>where the _OFFICIAL_ language is not English.  How far can you travel from
>Berlin where the official language of that place does not change.
>Now consider how badly most foriegn language films are translated, either in
>the subtitles or re-dubbing.  (example:  The dubbing in La Femme Nikita)
>Most educated Europeans have an understanding of at least one other language 
>due to proximity of 'foriegn speaking' countries on thier borders.  Many
>speak with a high degree of fluency, and therefore are able to get a great
>deal more out of the film than if they did not have to 1) pay more attention
>to the words on the screen than the action on the screen and 2) suffer
>through the ommisions and poor syntactic and connotative representations
>of the dialog in their native tounge.

Maybe, but that doesn't stop Germans and Italians from dubbing EVERYTHING and
show it that way to their public, with the exception of a few cinemas in major
cities! In other European countries you get mostly both versions or mainly
original versions.
 
>The dual literacy rate of the USA is appallingly low in the mainstream in
>part due to apathy and arrogance but more due to the less pressing need to
>be multi-lingual.  

Ok, so be it. Whatever the reasons, US audiences are ignoring or made to ignore
( by ruling market powers ) +-99% of world cinema. In other countries it's NOT
much better on the average. Maybe the best place in the world is Paris, where
every week 10-20 new movies are launched and 300 others are available, but
even there the choice is far from being complete regarding new releases of some
importance from all over the world. 
								M.H.
From: chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chua HakLien)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: The Culkinator! Was: Re: JACOBs LADDER
Date: 27 Dec 1992 01:30:41 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu



Well, the horror isn't over yet folks!!! Culkin's younger brother is going
to star in a film with Van Damme, due for release soon. Yes, folks!!!
It is "The Invasion of the Culkins" time. How many siblings does Mac
have anyway???

Chua
+==+

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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Coppola's DRACULA
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 16:43:54 GMT

In article <Bzyp9s.A24@news.iastate.edu> s1mbm@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec24.234108.14833@linus.mitre.org>, jon@MITRE.org (J. E. Shum) writes:
>>
>>In article <1992Dec24.225326.6478@Princeton.EDU>, egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Edward G. Nilges) writes:
>>>
>>....... A WHOLE LOT of deconstructionist drivel about FFC's Dracula .....

What is the real definition of "deconstructionist"?  Anyone know for
sure?
>>
>>You know I almost started to rebut the previous posting until the aroma
>>of PC crap reached my nostrils and I knew that rebuttal was neither
>>necessary or useful.  Mere burial will do.
>>
>>Happy Winter Solstice all!
[....]
>You can dismiss all that business about the Serb anti-Muslim propaganda in
>Dracula as "PC crap," but I for one appreciated the poster's thoughtful
>sensibility, which involved a lot more work than your one-liner crap.
>
>Actually, my own "PC" critique of Dracula involves Coppola's incredibly
>insensitive depiction of Gypsies, people who have long been denigrated
>precisely for *serving no one but themselves*, as Dracula's all-too-
>willing--and literally speechless--slaves.  As much as some folks might
>want to insist that films are purely for entertainment, they do tell us
>a lot about conscious and unconscious cultural attitudes, and too much
>of what Coppola tells us in Dracula does not become him; frankly, I thought
>he was smarter and more sensitive than this.
>
>By the way, the opening of Dracula coincided almost to the day with the 
>German government's decision to encourage Gypsies living in Germany to
>"return" to Romania.  If you don't think there's a connection between
>such political decisions and the way the Gypsies have been and are
>depicted in works of "culture," I frankly pity you.

Good post, Mike, except that if you contend that there is a connection
that he should know about, why don't you just tell him what it is
and save your pity for roadkill?  It's more constructive (no pun
intended).

GMS
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From: polish@cs.columbia.edu (Nathaniel Polish)
Subject: Monroe Starr
Summary: who is this guy?
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:59:09 GMT

A friend is desperate to know who Monroe Starr is.  Any ideas?
We think that he might be a fictional movie producer (NOT a 
producer of fictional movies!!).

Enquiring minds want to know.

Thanks
From: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Laurie Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Spike Lee and Whining (Re: Emma Thompson a shoe-in for Best Actress??)
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:54:13 GMT
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Distribution: na
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
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>By the way, Spike Lee is making a play for the Foolish Desperation award
>for this year.  He's complaining that multiplexes are selling tickets to
>"Malcolm X," but crediting the sales to other films, such as "Aladdin"
>and "Home Alone 2".  Warner Brothers has proof that this has happened.
>What they and Lee don't like to mention, however, is that it happens mostly
>because of incompetent employees who are hired for the holiday rush and
>who punch up the wrong tickets.  When a reporter pointed out to Lee that,
>all things being equal, "Malcolm X" has probably gotten its share of
>sales for people who were actually going to see "Aladdin" or "Home Alone 2",
>the best he could come up with is, "well, my movie needs the sales figures
>more."  I suspect that a complete audit of all tickets sold would not 
>significantly move "Malcolm X's" revenues at all.  

I think you're right.  There are times when people engage in deliberate
acts of discrimination (there was an interesting article in the Wall Street  
Journal today about Shoney's, for example).  However, there are other times  
when things happen due to things being rushed or due to incompetence,  In the  
case of Malcolm X, I don't believe for a second that there is some sort of  
campaign being orchestrated to drag down its revenue reports.  Spike Lee
is a professional in many ways, but when he whines like this it's
just irratating.

When he was complaining about his financing problems a few months ago,
he had every right to complain.  He was getting screwed then and I don't
blame him.  But this ticket sales thing is just silly.

What happens when people go into a multi-plex, buy
a ticket for one movie, and change their minds and go to another movie?
This happens all the time.  I saw at least ten people get out of the line
for TOYS last Friday and go into the theater for Forever Young.  I'm
sure some of that's happened, in both directions, with Malcolm X.

Note:  I've seen Malcolm X, and found it compelling cinema.  Denzel
Washington is definitely in line for his Oscar.  Spike Lee is a much
better director than he is an actor, and I hope he makes more movies
as a director in the future.

*  In Germany they first came for the Communists, and I didn't speak *
*  because I wasn't a Communist.  Then they came for the Jews, and I *
*  didn't speak because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade *
* unionists, and I didn't speak because I wasn't a trade unionist... *
*Then they came for me--and by that time no one was left to speak up.*
*  Rev. Martin Niemoeller     [Why to March on Washington in April]  *
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From: alopez-o@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Alex Lopez-Ortiz)
Subject: Re: The Culkinator! Was: Re: JACOBs LADDER
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 22:21:40 GMT

In article <1hj101INNemb@agate.berkeley.edu>, chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chua HakLien) writes:
> 
> 
> Well, the horror isn't over yet folks!!! Culkin's younger brother is going
> to star in a film with Van Damme, due for release soon. Yes, folks!!!
> It is "The Invasion of the Culkins" time. How many siblings does Mac
> have anyway???

Didn't McAuley's little brother appeared in Father of the Bride?

Alex

> 

-- 
Alex Lopez-Ortiz                              alopez-o@maytag.UWaterloo.ca
Department of Computer Science                      University of Waterloo
Waterloo, Ontario                                                   Canada
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From: staffelb@acd.ucar.edu (Thomas Staffelbach 497-1499 room 382)
Subject: Re: Most Overrated Actor/Actress
Organization: Ntl Center for Atmospheric Research - Atmospheric Chemistry Div
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:47:32 GMT

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From: williaml@cs.concordia.ca (LEE william)
Subject: Re: The Crying Game
Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 02:40:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.015632.21571@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mritchie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael S Ritchie) writes:
>
>Yes, it was, in general, quite wonderful and original, with great
>performances, though hearing that there was a "twist" so often
>from so many sources made the twist, when it came, a bit
>anti-climactic.  Speaking of twists, [SPOILER ALERT]
>
>
>
>Is Jaye Davidson (Dil in the movie) male or female?  The promo
>material available in the theatre was (I assume) deliberately
>unclear.
>
>--Michael

Yeah, what a twister!!! I also thought  Dill was a female until the very
very very last moment. :)
 
I'd really like to know whether Jaye is in fact or was ever a male cuz
she does have somewhat a deep voice. 

William
From: grendel@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (The Crow of Desperation)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Most Overrated Actor/Actress
Date: 27 Dec 1992 21:36:10 GMT
Organization: The Church of Pat
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <78753@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
*In article <1992Dec22.195633.4208@CERIS.Purdue.EDU> tfisher@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Tom Fisher) writes:
*>> Someone else please raise your hand if you couldn't care less whether
*>> someone has adopted the correct fake accent for a particular role.
*
*>   (hand raised)
*>   I agree.  G'day myte!
*
*Definitely.  I much prefer that the actor admit he can't do the accent and
*get on with the performance, than he try it and flop.  Bad accents distract.
*A lack of one is not distracting, and it might not even be missed.

I care.  If an ACTOR is going to assume the role of an Englishman, then he
should ACT like one.  I don't feel it's a lot to ask for.  Considering
they're raking in millions for the role, they should take the time to learn
a proper accent.  It's because of things like that people don't consider
acting to be work.  I know that a lot of work and talent does go into it,
but a simple accent shouldn't be too hard to include.


Mark "Keanu Reeves, for example...." Lippert 
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From: cal@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Cal Lott)
Subject: Re: Q on A Few Good Men: Poison???
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 02:31:22 GMT

williaml@cs.concordia.ca (LEE william) writes:

>In article <1992Dec23.083855.372@news.uwyo.edu> rtravsky@news.uwyo.edu (Rich Travsky) writes:
>>Something that really bothered me about this film was the "poison"
>>plot device.  Were these two marines toxicologists or something?
>>Where did they find this poison, or barring finding it, how did they
>>get it transported to the base? How did they know what minimum dosage
>>would be effective, etc.?
>>
>>Not that this movie didn't have its share of problems, but this
>>"poison" thing was not addressed fully at the trial. 
>>
>Another point I found weak was the justification for Demi Moore in trusting
>these two marines. But then again, if it wasn't for her, there wouldn't
>be a story.  I enjoyed the court room scenes and especially 
>Jack Nicholson's acting who I think will an Oscar Award for best 
>supporting actor.  
>
>William Lee
>Montreal Canada

	I enjoyed the courtroom scenes a great deal, as well. Cruise
and Nicholson were very fun to watch. I thought a great deal less of
Moore, however.

	I think that Hackman's performance in UNFORGIVEN, although
less showy than Nicholson's in A FEW GOOD MEN, was superior and
more deserving of the Oscar. (I also think that UNFORGIVEN should
win Best Picture, as well.)

					-Cal
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From: wildcat@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Wes Wildcat)
Subject: Re: Reservoir Dogs weakness <Spoilers>
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:08:44 GMT

In article <3220099@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> dling@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (David Ling) writes:
>I just saw Reservoir Dogs last night, and with a couple of exceptions, I thought
>the story was logical and tight.  But those exceptions kept nagging me ....
>Maybe someone out there can put this to rest.
>
>1.  If Joe knew Mr. Orange was a cop, why did he risk himself by going
>    to the rendevouz place?  If he's so smart, wouldn't he stay away?
>
>2.  Mr Orange told the tortured cop that the police was only a few blocks
>    away.  I think (but am not sure) Mr. Orange said that the cops were
>    waiting for Joe to come before raiding the place.  In any case, 
>    the cops must of known where the hiding place was going to be since
>    Mr. Orange was informing.
>
>    So the big question is why didn't the cops come sooner????!!!!  They
>    should have known that the tortured cop was missing, that they the
>    sounds of bullets were flying, that Mr. Blond went to get gasoline,
>    etc. etc.  The cops would not have waited for Joe if potentially
>    two cops were in mortal danger.
>
>
>Help me please!! I really really liked the film, but I can't "love it"
>until someone clears this up.
>


	I haven't seen the movie either, but according to "VH1", the scene wherethey cut the mans ear off was one of the grossest parts of the year.  They say
the grosses scene of the year was in Far and Away when Tom Cruise spat in the
fallen guys mouth.
From: 6881300@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Black Holes of Cinema
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:22:03 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.

In article <1992Dec17.214043.25217@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mgrimes@magnus.acs
>>This may be a controversial or flame-baiting topic, but it relates to the
>>"overrated" thread. Black holes are cinema are people with no talent who keep
>>making movies!
>>
>>  Any more nominees......?

>Diane Keaton -- She was good as Annie Hall, but I'm glad the whiny bitch has
>dropped out of sight.  (oops, is she in Godfather III?)
>
>--
>Ramon Dominguez             | "Work is the curse of the drinking class"

Godfather III?  Whiny?  Yes, to both.  She's the only thing preventing
Godfather I from being called, "the best movie of all time."  She
totally blows the ending -- which was still pretty powerful despite
her inept performance.  (For those of you who don't remember, I
refer to the scene where Michael lies about having his brother-in-
law killed.  And in which Kay stares at her husband receiving oaths
of loyalty as the door is closed in her face, fade-to-black.)

Cordially,
............................................................................
Roy Sette                                       Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.
                                                1111 Lockheed Way, O/82-10
rsette@lmsc.lockheed.com                        Sunnyvale CA 94088-3504
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: The Coen Bros - Anybody know their next project?
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:55:58 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1992Dec22.084216.15280@lth.se>, dat91oto@ludat.lth.se 
(Ola Torstensson) writes:

> It's "The Hudsucker Proxy", from a script by Joel & Ethan and their old 
> pal Sam Raimi 

> ...and according to an article by Peter Reiher in the "Miller's Crossing" 
> thread, it has started shooting with Paul Newman in the leading role.

I believe Peter mentioned that Newman is going to play a role that was
being looked at quite seriously by Jack Nicholson, but if I'm not mistaken
the lead will be played by Tim Robbins.

Now if Tim Robbins and the Coens aren't a match made in film-heaven...

Greg Bole                         "I have crossed oceans of time to find you."
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu         Gary Oldman in _Bram Stoker's Dracula_
From: fmayhar@altair.mpd.tandem.com (Frank Mayhar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Liam Neeson???
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:46:57 GMT
Reply-To: fmayhar@mpd.tandem.com
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <2B37312C.1797@news.service.uci.edu>, dkrause@miami.acs.uci.edu (Doug Krause) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec22.141915.27610@scott.skidmore.edu> dtschett@saims.skidmore.edu (donna tschetter) writes:
|> #What else has this actor done previous to "Leap of Faith"?
|> Darkman
|> The Good Mother

The Bounty (the Mutiny on the Bounty movie with Mel Gibson).  He played
a sailor.  Woody Allen's latest, which I can't remember the name of.  He
played Allen's ex-wife's love interest.

He's a pretty good character actor, and keeps appearing in interesting
places.  I'm sure that there are more than the above list.
-- 
Frank Mayhar  fmayhar@mpd.tandem.com
              Tandem Computers, Inc.  Micro Products Division
              14231 Tandem Blvd., Austin, TX  78728    Phone:  (512) 244-8969
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From: dtschett@saims.skidmore.edu (donna tschetter)
Subject: Re: Theater Posters...!
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:28:40 GMT

For the fan who asked, I have Flight of the Intruder.

e-me if interested in purchase.
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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Sick and tired of cries of sexism (was Re: 9 1/2 Weeks)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 16:26:42 GMT

In article <BD.92Dec27093825@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
>
>>From article <1992Dec20.145422.10366@Virginia.EDU>, by tlc9y@Virginia.EDU ("tara lou"):
>>> you do not have to be a lesbian or an abused survivor in order
>>> to believe that our society dictates men's satisfaction over
>>> women's..i see beer commercials that satisfy men's needs [i
>>> drink beer, too], sportscar commercials [i would like one,
>>> too], and many other instances where men's pleasure is the
>>> aim..not women's.
>>
>>Some beer commercials have scantily-clad attractive women because
>>heterosexual men react to it and buy the beer.  It may be that there are not so
>>many commercials with scantily-clad attractive men because Madison Avenue
>>has determined that it does not get them as much business from heterosexual
>>females.  The image for them is probably seduction of the "powerful/macho/
>>rich" male to "provide" for them.  Lowest common denominator?  You can
>>argue that if you want.  But the fact is, somebody's buying it, 'cause
>>it's still around.
>
>No offense to gilbert, or even to tara lou, but I'm real tired
>of hearing this crap about sexist ads when in fact the 
>objectification of men is just as prevalent as the objectification 
>of women.
>
>Look again at those beer ads.  Sure the women are great looking
>and are wearing bikinis, but the men are also great looking
>and are running around without shirts at all, with slim sleek
>nicely muscled bodies, great smiles, and wonderful hair.
>
>Yes, the demands that Madison Ave. places on women are great, but
>they place those same demands on men, except that in addition
>to being physically beautiful and well-dressed, men have to make
>lots of money and be "sensitive" to boot.

No offense taken.  And I wasn't trying to imply that there is anything
evil in the intent of the commercials.  I'm merely saying that they
are there because the public does react positively to them, and
in actuality, that public is not 100% young white males.  Sometimes
it's all to easy to feel that the rest of the world has to change
to ensure your happiness.  It's not always a good idea to sit back
and suffer, either, but I think moderation must be observed.  Point
of fact is that everyone has their personal way of getting their
snicks and their personal sources of aggravation, and they are not
always going to mesh well with the rest of the world.  What I
find objectionable is the tendency to point the finger at others'
as somehow "evil" and demand that all others change as a default
rather than a well-considered approach.

GMS
From: eric@npri6.npri.com (Eric Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: The Cook...Lover/women's response
Summary: cooking wives
Date: 28 Dec 92 16:47:31 GMT
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA

In article <1992Dec27.060611.25351@netcom.com>, estrayer@netcom.com (Eric Strayer) writes:
> 
> Regarding the movie The Cook, The Thief, His Wife & Her Lover, 
> I have some comments, but more importantly, some questions.
[...]
> [My wife] took such offense that by the point of the sadistic 
> torturing of the singing youth, she left the room (I saw it on video).
> Later she told me that she was deeply offended. 
[...]
> and finally she settled 
> down and claimed that only insensitive (or very young 
> and stupid) men would like anything in that movie. 
[...]
> I do however, somehow want to encourage 
> the opinion of women. 

Here's an interesting switch: a male friend of mine who saw the film
in a theater with me left the theater at just about the same point
your wife left the room. Conversely, the wife of another friend enjoyed
COOK (more than I anticipated) when we later viewed it on tape.
So I don't think gender, number or case has much to do with reactions
to the film.

I think it's important to view COOK as part of Greenaway's development
as a director. He seems to favor themes that have to do with civilization,
civility, and the breaking down of those systems. In BELLY OF AN
ARCHITECT there is a lurking fascist element waiting to wrest control
away from the idealistic American abroad. In DROWNING BY NUMBERS,
he seems to imply (in a comic way) that murder might be acceptable if
the victims are oppressive dullards. (Your wife might be pleased
by this film since the women succeed in doing away with insensitive,
stupid men.) COOK has been called a modern revenge tragedy, a style
of drama I think few current filmgoers recognize or understand.
Perhaps you and she could go down to the library and read up on the
subject a little... It might improve your appreciation of the film.

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