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From: srheault@alfred.carleton.ca (Steven Rheault Kihara)
Subject: Re: Comic Strips -- American Cultural Imperialism over Canada
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:25:54 GMT

In <1992Apr15.010156.7247@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> p5ku@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (BAMFORD) writes:

>In article <srheault.703289777@cunews> srheault@alfred.carleton.ca (Steven Rheault Kihara) writes:
>>In <1992Apr14.211348.16938@bmerh2.bnr.ca> nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) writes:
>>Canada has already successfully
>>>>>applied Canadian content regulations to music, so why not
>>>>>apply it to comic strips?
>>>>
>>>>  Because it's a bad idea, that's why.
>>
>>>Why?
>>> Has the result been the growth of a mediocre Canadian musical
>>>industry?
>>Yes, it most emphatically has. Good god, I had to grow up listening to
>>Trooper and Prism and then Gowan and Glass Tiger and Platinum
>>Blonde... geez, the list just goes on. 
>I, on the other hand, have been exposed to Spirit of the West, Cowboy Junkies,
>Shadowy Men on a Shadowy Planet, Jane Siberry, Sarah MacLaughlin (sp?), Grapes
>of Wrath (well ok. only their first e.p. and first couple of albums before they
>sold out), Moev, Skinny Puppy (their earlier stuff before they became REALLY
>noisy) and geez, the list does go on.  J.Bamford


The point of CRTC regulations is that instead of letting good bands
like SOME of those you mention rise to prominence on their own merits,
they are tainted by the proposition that they wouldn't succeed without
government intervention. 
I'd wager that most Canadians hadn't heard of Skinny Puppy anyway. It
will take a lot more than Cancon reqirements to make people listen to
stuff like that!
Steve Rheault Kihara
(some call me the Joker,
some call me Maurice,
Rats! No-one ever calls me sugar lips.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: iaf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Innes Ferguson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: U.S. Role in the world (was Re: Canada and the U.S.)
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:08:06 GMT
Reply-To: iaf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Innes Ferguson)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

In <1992Apr13.231910.6945@midway.uchicago.edu> 
mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer) writes
>Without defending every US action in the Cold War, I have to say that
>I still think that US influence has, on balance, been more good than
>evil.

But then you're from the West so you've probably been conditioned
to think this.

>And as the US recognizes
>the end of the Cold War, it has been removing its support from
>the ubiquitous "friendly dictators" in Africa and Latin America.
>We can argue whether supporting them was ever a good move, but the
>record suggests that it was never our primary interest to install
>repressive governments, but what our government considered the
>necessitites of a global conflict.

Naive crap. America had strong economic interests in South America
which it had to defend. Deposing a democratically elected president
(Allende) will never be justified.

>I reject any idea that the US and the Soviet Union were moral
>equivalents during the Cold War, and that the US was interested
>in nothing but geopolitical advantage.

If you think the US goes around invading countries, supporting
dictators, and perpetrating acts of barbarism simply for the
good of humanity then you really have been conditioned by your
politicians and media.

>though it's true the US has preferred a friendly dictatorship
>to one which is an enemy.  Is that so unreasonable?

Yes, if you happen to live in the country ruled by the dictator.
I'm guessing a lot of people in East Timor might agree with me
on that one.

>it's taking us too long to press China on its human rights violations

Not only that. Your government has given it favoured nation status.
Which just goes to show that justice, freedom, etc. take second place
to the US's economic/strategic interests.

>But all of those
>presuppose that we _should_ be doing something to encourage democracy,
>and that's something I have to agree with.

And that's the heart of the problem. Most US citizens feel an _obligation_
to go around the world and sort everybody out as they see fit.

>I never proposed that the US is perfect or that it should rule the
>world-- but given the existence of its power, it cannot simply
>withdraw to its border and ignore the world

Um. Why not? Believe, if you put half as much effort cleaning up your
own country as _try_ to do in the rest of the world, the US might again
become the great nation it used to be.

>But I'll still
>maintain that the US comes out, in the end, as a positive factor
>in world history.

For you.

Innes
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From: cawilco@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Chris A. Wilcox)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Oscar Revulsion/Greg
Summary: Is this woman for real?
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:27:33 GMT
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1992Apr13.155059.172671@cs.cmu.edu> kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU
(Kathi Iannamico) writes:
>Carol:
>
>If you waste time reading my posts, then don't read them.  How hard
>was that to figure out?  And don't attempt to placate me with your desire to 
>"hear more from me", I don't need it.
>

What Carol said, in a polite way, was that if you had something useful
to contribute, then she would like to hear it.  What you said, in a
very nasty way, was that you had nothing else useful to contribute.
Fine. Get lost. Come back when you are capable of mature discourse
with rational people.

>
>And before you get on another self-righteous bandwagon, remember: I didn't
>seek you out to include you in this argument; you sought me out.

Very true. You didn't invite me into this argument; I invited myself.
Narrow-minded, impolite people like yourself bother me, no matter how
many big words you have looked up in a dictionary.

BTW, just in case you didn't read the whole posting, notice the
Followup-to line, which is where this discussion should have been
ever since you physically threatened Greg.
-- 
***************************************************************************
Chris Wilcox       Email:cawilco@afterlife.ncsc.mil        Dept. of Defense
  None of the above statements necessarily represent the views of the DOD.
"I was raised to be charming, not sincere." Prince Charming, Into the Woods
From: reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 07:11:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Adolf Hitler, the great german
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa

In soc.culture.usa, reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson) writes:

     I agree with the last post. We do have to forget about the past and 
move into the future. Yet, at the same time, we have to learn from the 
past in the hopes that we can prevent similar things from occuring in the 
coming years. 
     It occurs to me further that there are very specific causes for 
racism and social stratification. On one hand, we claim to want a 
harmonious society but then create constant dissension with constant 
competition. 
     We can't say, on one hand, that we want a peaceful world and perpetuate
conflict with an economic system that is based on survival-of-the-fittest
and social Darwinism. It is not philosophically consistent and is doomed
to failure. We will keep creating one Hitler after another! 

                                                 -reykjavik

                                

Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles E Thorne)
Subject: Re: Caterpillar and the Issue of Unions
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:01:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.095922.10288@hasler.ascom.ch> kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch writes:

>In article <1992Apr16.140246.6484@cs.umn.edu>, prabhak@cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
>|> I have been following the struggle between Caterpillar and
>|> the unions over the last coupla weeks.

>Could you explain what this dispute actually is please, my father
>works for them in the UK but hasn't said much about this "struggle".

It's my understanding that the union (the United Auto Workers) were given
a very generous offer from John Deere.  They then went to Caterpillar and
demanded an equally generous offer.  Caterpillar refused.  Since there is
no contract, and the union refuses to negotiate, Caterpillar has offered
to replace the striking workers with other laborers.

Charlie


Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada,rec.arts.comics.strips
From: bjr@csr.UVic.CA (Brian Ross)
Subject: Re: Comic Strips -- American Cultural Imperialism over Canada
Reply-To: bjr@csr.UVic.CA (Brian Ross)
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, U of Victoria, Canada
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 18:58:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.012112.28097@watdragon.waterloo.edu>, jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes:
>>>>Canada has already successfully applied Canadian content regulations to 
>>>>music, so why not apply it to comic strips?
>>>
>>>  Because it's a bad idea, that's why.
>>
>>No, it's a good idea, as long as the currently published comics are
>>left alone.  In other words, we want MORE COMICS STRIPS! Yeah!  
>
>	No problem: we just annex those sections of the US which contain
>cartoon artists who would be a national asset by covertly altering US geography
>texts to show the improved Streamlined America. 

Nah, there's plenty O'Canadian cartoonists here eager for national exposure.
I dare say the U of Victoria student paper cartoons would fulfill most of the
CanComCon (?) already. Hell, I could contribute some. My cartoons (which 
feature people with golf club and candy cane bodies -- much easier to draw 
than real bodies) qualify as 100% Canadian. However, I've been told by
philistines that my cartoons are "retarded".  Quotas are easy to fill. Quality 
might suffer, but that's not the issue, is it?

-- 
Brian Ross.            		Obligatory Diet Pepsi reference.
bjr@csr.uvic.ca
From: jpr1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (James P. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: War and National Interests (was Re: U.S. Role in the world)
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:01:43 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <YAMAUCHI.92Apr15180905@crane.cs.rochester.edu>, yamauchi@cs.rocheste
r.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes:
>
>The thing to remember is that, in democracies in general and the U.S.
>in particular, foreign policy decisions are made by politicians who
>want to get reelected.  Since American public opinion is a complex mix
>of idealism and pragmatism, the resulting foreign policy is also a mix
>-- a hybrid of defending freedom and democracy and expanding U.S.
>power, influence, and economic might.
>
>Any war seems to require both an idealistic and a pragmatic
>justification before the politicians are willing to support it.  This
>is in their political interest, since it provides a wider base of
>support from the electorate.  This also tends to result in very
>confused and often conflicting rationales for military action.
>
>Brian Yamauchi                         Robotics Applications Development
>                                       Boeing Aerospace Operations
>yamauchi@cs.rochester.edu              Kennedy Space Center


Well put, Brian.

Thanks for adding this insight to the discussion!

See you on the net,

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From: jsast@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Jonathan S. Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Caterpillar and the Issue of Unions
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:00:24 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Statistics on the CAT strike:
Talks orginally collapsed 10/31/91
Worldwide Employment - 56,016
UAW employees - 16,000 (2400 on layoff)
Workers involved with strike - 12,790
Current average wage - $16.89/hr
Current average wage with benefits - $31.74/hr
(Source - Harrisburg Patriot News)

Now, let me tell you a little story about how the wonderful CAT management
feels about their employees.  I come from a town in Southern PA called
York.  One of our major industries in York (besides motorcycles, barbells,
and air conditioners) is the Caterpillar plant.  This plant employs around
1800 workers and is used as a part-manufacturing plant and parts-distribution
center.  None of these workers participated in the strike, yet Caterpillar
told the Union that if they didn't settle soon, they would close down the
York plant.  Having the burden for your own job is one thing, but how would
you like to be responsible for someone else's as well?  To me, this feels like
very undue pressure.

-Jon Anderson

  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  
  Jon Anderson                                      jsast@unix.cis.pitt.edu
      "Won't you look down upon me Jesus, you gotta help me make a stand,
       You've just got to see me through another day.
       My body's aching and my time is at hand,
       And I won't make it any other way. "                 -James Taylor
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From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Don't be misled!!!
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:58:13 GMT
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University

In article <1992Apr07.020832.22940@medsys.rn.com>, bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System) writes:
<In article <1992Apr4.090623.10819@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
<
<>Not that the Nationalists weren't corrupt, because they were, but
<>"Liberation"?  Yes, Mao really liberated China.
<
<That is correct.

It most certainly is.

<During the Great Leap Forward period, twenty million
<Chinese were liberated from this world to heaven.

Your number is way off.  In any case, I find it curious that people like you
never fail to bring up the Great Leap Forward but always try to cover up all
the many great achievements of Mao and the PRC.

					--Scott

-- 
Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Canada and the U.S.
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:11:12 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)

cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles E Thorne) writes:
>
>Canada, which is about the size of the U.S. 

Actually, it's about 120% ... if we're talking occupied space, that's
a LOT less. (-;

>and about 1/8 the population, is actually the biggest exporter to the U.S.

It's 1/11th according to the latest numbers.  
(Used to be 1/10th for a long, long time.)

gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada
From: rtang@sunee.waterloo.edu (He who must not be Named.)
Subject: Re: Canada and the U.S.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:41:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.125804.7115@cl.cam.ac.uk> iaf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Innes Ferguson) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.182046.2896@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
>cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles E Thorne) writes:
>
>>In addition, both Britain and France have excluded people who were citizens
>>of their colonies from emigrating back to their home country after the
>>colonial days were over.
>
>Canadians can emigrate to Britain, work here, and qualify for
>British citizenship after 3 years.
>
>Check your facts.
>
>Innes
What about other places where its is still a colony, ie) Hong Kong.
What are the citizenship status of those there,  as regarded
by the UK.  Does the 3 year waiting period apply to everyone.
I would expect that a current colony would be allowed to
emigrate and gain citizenship just as easily if not more so
then a past colony, as the case maybe for Canada.

I think the original poster , may have been commenting on these
'other' colonies and former colonies, which may have been excluded
from citizenship.

Can you clear that up.  Thanks

Ray 

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From: 00rdharringt@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Don't be misled!!!
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:12:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.042005.4415@cs.yale.edu>, horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
> 
> <Can it justify the hardship and human rights of the
> <Communist government?
> 
> First, I'll need to be convinced that "the hardship and human rights of the
> Communist government" are any worse than those anywhere else.  Second,
> I'll need to be convinced that the PRC government is Communist.  (It's
> definitely not communist [note the lower-case `c'].)
> 

I agree there... I feel a lot of the "Communist" nations aren't so much
Communist as they are Marxist...

> <If you want to glorify communism, why don't you
> <go live in it?  All but four have already fallen however.
> 
> All but four what?
> 

Communist nations... Cuba, PRC, DPRK, and VietNam...

> 					--Scott
> 
> -- 
> Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
> horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
> 203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
> ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!
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From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Caterpillar and the Issue of Unions
Date: 17 Apr 92 09:59:22 GMT
Reply-To: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Originator: kevinh@nath


In article <1992Apr16.140246.6484@cs.umn.edu>, prabhak@cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
|> I have been following the struggle between Caterpillar and
|> the unions over the last coupla weeks.

Could you explain what this dispute actually is please, my father
works for them in the UK but hasn't said much about this "struggle".

Thanks

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada
From: cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles E Thorne)
Subject: Re: Canada and the U.S.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:16:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.125804.7115@cl.cam.ac.uk> iaf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Innes Ferguson) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.182046.2896@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
>cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles E Thorne) writes:

>>In addition, both Britain and France have excluded people who were citizens
>>of their colonies from emigrating back to their home country after the
>>colonial days were over.

>Canadians can emigrate to Britain, work here, and qualify for
>British citizenship after 3 years.

But can Indians and Africans (who aren't white) also emigrate to Britain
and become citizens?

Charlie


Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: anne@cs.UAlberta.CA (Anne J.R. Nield)
Subject: Re: Canada and the U.S.
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:23:57 GMT

pac9897@zeus.tamu.edu (SMELLS LIKE JOHN MAJOR....) writes:




>>Canadians can emigrate to Britain, work here, and qualify for
>>British citizenship after 3 years.
>> 
>>Check your facts.
>>Innes

>Tell me please, is this arrangement reciprocal?

>Philip A. Carney		On Exchange from Lancaster University,

If what you mean by reciprocal is, can British citizens emigrate to
Canada and after three years' residence apply for citizenship -- yes.

It used to be that the British had MORE rights than other immigrants
(ie, did not have to be Canadian citizens to vote; did not have to
go through a "swearing-in" ceremony to become a Canadian citizen.)
That is no longer the case.  The rules are the same for everyone
-- in theory at least!!

Anne





>"The lust for power is rooted not in strength, but in weakness..." - Erich Fromm

Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: U.S. Role in the world (was Re: Canada and the U.S.)
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:12:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Apr15.151218.4791
Reply-To: mss2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr15.125422.7029@cl.cam.ac.uk> iaf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Innes Ferguson) writes:

>I'm not denying the US
>played a major role in thwarting Hitler (although you guys didn't get
>involved until fairly late) but that doesn't justify all your covert
>post-WWII crap.

All right.  So we've established that it is appropriate in some cases
to intervene militarily and economically in the internal and external
affairs of a sovereign power-- that, indeed, it can be inappropriate
_not_ to do so (at least that's how I interpret your criticism of the
late US entry).  Please give criteria for appropriate and
inappropriate interventions.

Also, it might be helpful to consider under what circumstances it's
appropriate to ally oneself with and even to provide aid to an odious,
repressive dictatorship.  (Cases which should probably be addressed:
Canada's participation in an alliance with Stalin's USSR, Finland's
WWII cooperation with Nazi Germany.)

Mike
-- 
Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS	"Never let your sense of morality prevent
mss2@midway.uchicago.edu	 you from doing what's right!"
mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu	 --Mayor Salvor Hardin of Terminus
mss2@usite-next.uchicago.edu     Isaac Asimov, _Foundation_
Xref: sparky soc.culture.usa:2769 talk.rumors:684
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 12:12:42 EDT
From: J.D. <JDEITCH@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,talk.rumors
Subject: Re: Info on UPenn, Philadelphia?
 <1992Apr6.061459.5902@polari.com>

I just finished my BA at Penn last spring. I can tell you that Philadelphia (th
ough some call it Filthadelphia) is a pretty cool town. West Philly isn't the g
reatest of neighborhoods but like every city, you have to watch your ass and ma
ke sure you aren't where you're not supposed to be.  If you go to Penn, you mig
ht want to think of living in center city- there are relatively inexpensive acc
omodations everywhere though.  Any more questions, give me a holler.

Oh, BTW, the academics are good too :-)

JD
JDEITCH@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
"The mind is a terrible thing to waste, but I do it every day."
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