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From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Subject: Re: Little Tyke the Veggy Lion
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:26:41 GMT


Ted Wayn Altar writes:
>>Certainly, we need to be [...] weary of our own prejudices 


Barbara Hlavin comments:
>Oh, I am, I am! 

>Thanks for the laugh, Ted. 


You're welcome Barbara!  Of course, you *are* referring to
the joke I cited about the 2 nutritionists getting together to 
conclude with 3 separate opinions, aren't you?  ;-)  ;-)

Here is another joke from yours truly that you might enjoy:

How many vegetarians does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
	Answer: it takes none since if they water the socket the bulb 
	will grow-glow on its own.  :-)    Sorry, but I guess you have 
	to have a dyslexic ear like mine to appreciate that one  ("Do
	you know about the dyslexic agnostic insomniac?  He lays
	awake in bed at night wondering if there is a Dog.")

Here's another one.  How many vegetarians from this
conference is needed to screw in a full-spectrum lightbulb?
	Answer: Just Ted Altar on his soapbox will suffice!  :-)  ;-)  :-)

I'll leave it to others to answer the question:  How many
omnivores does it take to *unscrew* a lightbulb.


                                   Cheers,
                                       ted
From: tova@carson.u.washington.edu (Tova Stabin)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: REQUEST: Vegetarian "Kishka"
Date: 8 Jan 1993 15:00:06 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu


Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: karpen@nrlfs1.nrl.navy.mil (Judy Karpen)
Subject: Re: RECIPES: sandwich spreads
Followup-To: rec.food.veg
Organization: NRL
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:57:53 GMT

Thanks alot, Tracy, for posting more spread recipes, esp. the chopped
"liver".  I'm getting really sick of hummous & tofu spread...

Your post brought up a question I've wondered about for some time:
how many other veggies out there in r.f.v-land became veg as an
outgrowth of keeping kosher? I know several (including myself), 
mostly women, and am curious whether it's as common as it seems.

Besides, this might help balance out all the bad karma from that
irritating discussion of whether kosher methods are worse than regular
butchering methods (irrelevant --- slaughter is slaughter, IMHO).;^\

Judy Karpen                "pushing back the frontiers of science"
karpen@nrlfs1.nrl.navy.mil  Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC USA
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: ann@tessi.com (Ann Makarias)
Subject: Re: Gelatin
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:00:43 GMT

Many people use agar as a substitute for gelatin.  It is made from
seaweed.  Unfortunately, it is pretty difficult to find.  Try health food
stores or co-ops.

Ann Makarias

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: bobp@msi.com (Bob Pitha)
Subject: Re: Silk
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:37:24 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
X-Posted-From: phoenix.msi.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Bill Maddex (mad4@ellis.uchicago.edu) wrote:
: As for a vegan silk sub, I think the best is probably rayon.  My sister used
: to work in a natural fiber store and some of the older hippies would freak on
: seeing rayon, but it's a natural fiber.  Rayon is made from surplus wood chips
: left over from paper making and stuff.

  I know very little about the process by which rayon is made; in fact,
for a long time about all I knew was that it was made from wood, and my
attitude was much the same as Bill's.  However, recently I've heard (I
can't remember where, and I am soon hoping to motivate myself to do the
research to find out for sure) that the process of converting wood to
rayon releases a huge amount of chlorine compounds into the environment.
This worries me, since I am somewhat concerned about such things.  Does
anybody here know for sure whether rayon is ecologically friendly material
or not?
  As for cotton, I wear a lot of it, but I'm not completely happy about it
either.  If I'm not mistaken, cotton farming is not very nice to the
ecology either.
  It's very difficult to worry about multiple issues at once these days.
Obviously I have to wear something (no, I don't read rec.nude!) and every
time I think I've found the Right Thing, I find out there's some drawback
to it.  I'd like to file a complaint, but I haven't found the Universal
Ombudsman yet.
  Oh, no.  Am I going to get complaints about Ombudsman?  How about the
Universal Ombud?  Sounds vaguely floral, but kinda catchy...

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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: phaniraj@plains.NoDak.edu (V. Phaniraj)
Subject: Archive for Vegan Recipes ( was Re: Pat's request for my recipes )
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:27:34 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <19344@mindlink.bc.ca> Christine_Code@mindlink.bc.ca writes:
>
>I've had a few requests for recipes as a result of comments I've made in
>recent posts.   And you're right: I should start posting some of them.  (The
>ones I didn't get from the net in the first place :)
>
>I'll start by posting a favourite chili recipe (Cashew Chili) here within the
>next couple of days.
>
>What's this about archiving on rec.food.recipes?  I gave up on that group
>long ago because I only wanted the vegetarian/vegan stuff.  But archives?
>ARCHIVES?  You mean they've got a collection of recipes for vegetarians
>hiding around there somewhere?  Please tell me how I get into those
>archives!!  (As if I need more recipes with all the great cookbooks I have
>and the recipes I've downloaded, but you know how it goes!)


I've been reading this group for quite a while now, and have been saving
recipes fairly regularly over the last year or so ( usually the ones which
I think I can cook/get the ingredients for, which are both rather limiting
constraints). As one of the managers of a computer system that is low
on CPU power, and has excess disk space (touch wood), I can make these
available for anonymous ftp, if there is interest. I can also archive
future recipes postings to this group, and other informational material
relevant to this group, if need be.

Let me know by e-mail if this would be a useful addition to the resources
already available on the Internet.


Raj
-- 
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North Dakota State University, Fargo ND 58105	(701) 298-1024 (work)
						(701) 237-8677 (FAX) 
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Subject: Re: Ted Altar
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:16:10 GMT

abulsari@aton.abo.fi writes:

>Ted Altar is the most important contributor on rec.food.veg.

>Since Michael Traub left, he has been the most informative
>and needs to be thanked for that.

>Let us hope he does not have to leave some day in near future.


Again Abhay, I appreciate your generous compliment, but
please, you must not do this to me.  I am NOT the most
important contributor.

In terms of sheer information others who have posted a lot
more for a much longer period of time than myself deserve
our gratitude.  And yes, I will be curbing my participation
as I am quite busy.

                                Regards,
                                    ted
From: nigel@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Nigel Davies)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Sandwiches
Date: 4 Jan 93 11:45:22 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.


Hi there,

	I'm sure this must be a FAQ, but I'm looking for veggie sandwich
fillings. In particular, I am after fillings which I can make up as a batch
and either freeze or chill until required. Some idea of the storage time and
conditions of suggestions, as well as a guide to their nutritional content etc.
would be great.

Thanks in advance,

Nigel Davies.


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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: svirsky@tti.com (Bill Svirsky)
Subject: SUMMARY: Looking for a meatless cookbook
Keywords: summary meatless cookbook
Organization: Transaction Technology, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 07:22:20 GMT

I tried to post this several days ago. Since I haven't seen it, I
doubt if any of you have. So here goes again...

Sorry I took so long to get this summary out. Between work and the
holidays, I haven't had a lot of time lately. This is the short summary.
If anyone wants the long summary, email me. If I get enough requests,
I'll just post it.

Anyway, thanks for all your help. I went to several book and health-food
stores. I couldn't find all of the books mentioned. For that and a
number of other reasons, the book that I finally chose for my sister was
"The American Vegetarian". Many of the following articles were posted
after I had already bought the book. I'm also mailing this summary to my
sister so that she'll have the benefit of your knowledge when she
decides to go shopping for another cookbook. Thanks again.

bill

I wrote:
>I'm looking for a good meatless cookbook as a Christmas present for my
>sister. She already has "Lean, Lucious, and Meatless", or something
>like that. The easier the recipes, the better. One reason she likes
>"LL&M" so much is that after coming home from work, she is not in the
>mood for doing any elaborate cooking. I'll summarize any response I
>get. Thanks.

Summary:

 # recommendations (if more than 1)
   _Fast Vegetarian Feasts_ by Martha Rose Shulman
 4 "The New Laurel's Kitchen" by Laurel Robertson
 2 The Moosewood cookbooks by Mollie Katzen
   "International Meatless Cookbook" by Jean Hewitt
 2 NEW "MOOSEWOOD COOKBOOK" by Mollie Katzen
   "The New Farm Vegetarian Cookbook" by Hagler
   "Cooking from an Italian Garden"
   "Quik Harvest" by Pat Baird? (microwave recipes)
   "The Wings of Life" by Julie Jordan
 3 The Savory Way, by Deborah Madison
   _The Vegetarian Epicure I_ & II
   "Instead of Chicken, Instead of Turkey: A poultryless "Poultry"
      Potpourri by Karen Davis
 2 "THE AMERICAN VEGETARIAN COOKBOOK" by Marilyn Diamond
   "THE GREENS COOKBOOK", by deborah madison
   "the complete vegetarian cuisine", by Rose Elliot
   "May All Be Fed" by John Robbins
   "Meatless Meals for Working People" by Vegetarian Resource Group
   "Simply Vegan" by Vegetarian Resource Group

My thanks to:
From jwhwang@eos.ncsu.edu
marin!jerry@seq.uncwil.edu
charnick@aries.scs.uiuc.edu
BHULSE@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
jdg@ulysses.att.com
altar@sfu.ca
mrum@pyrolab.Berkeley.EDU
sj@netcom.com
dolson@crl.ucsd.edu
kaz@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Karen Fegley)
barb@heller.slip.uiuc.edu
grob@chorus.fr (Lori S. Grob)
tara@starburst.umd.edu (Tara McDermott)
cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston)
yumei@wam.umd.edu (yumei)
jeff@smoggy.gg.caltech.edu (Jeff Goldsmith)

--
Bill Svirsky  svirsky@tti.com, Compuserve:72137,1547
..!{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!soldev!svirsky

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"  Calvin & Hobbes
From: tara@starburst.umd.edu (Tara McDermott)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Man made fur company address info
Date: 8 Jan 1993 20:04:58 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, Chesapeake Biological Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: starburst.umd.edu

Several weeks back someone requested info on where they could get
their hands on fake, man made furs.  As I was paging through an old E
magazine, I found an add for a company, so I'm now posting the
information. 

Though personally I don't care one bit for furs, if a man made fur
prevents a person from buying a real one, than I'm happy.

For a free brochure, call:
1-800-848-4650

or write:
Donna Slayers' 
Fabulous-Furs
700 Madison Avenue
Covington, KY 41011

(a portion of all proceeds goes to the Tony Fitzjohn/George Adamson
African Wildlife Preservation Trust).

--
Tara McDermott               
tara@starburst.umd.edu       
I eat tofu, and I vote.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Raw Potatoes (Was: WHO & Iron - Have They Gone Mad?)
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 20:43:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.184220.7318@leland.Stanford.EDU> coleman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Michele Coleman) writes:
>
>In article <C0D66K.9wu@dircon.co.uk> uad1214@dircon.co.uk (Peter Cox) writes:
>>
>>I just caught part of an interview on BBC World Service
>>with Dr. Barbara Underwood of the WHO (World Health
>>Organisation).  She was making some pretty wild claims
>>about vegetarians being deficient in iron.  At one point,
>>the interviewer asked her what vegetarians should do about
>>it. Part of her answer included the advice to eat RAW
>>potatoes!!!
>
>    This just reminds me of a conversation I had with a nurse at our
>student health center once.  She was trying to lecture me about the
>importance of a healthy diet -- somewhat odd, since as a vegetarian I 
>was already eating better than most Americans.  In discussing fiber,
>she said, "Raw potatoes have a lot a fiber.  But if you microwave a
>potato, then it's no longer high-fiber."
>    Surely, I said, she couldn't be serious.
>    "Oh, yeah," she insisted.  "Before it's hard and chewy, and has
>fiber.  Something soft, like a cooked potato, doesn't have fiber."
>    I guess this explains why Metamucil is such a low-fiber favorite:
>it isn't hard and chewy.
>    Anyway, when I questioned her reasoning, she got very defensive and
>said that her previous job was a dietician in a corporation, where she
>counseled 2000 employees.
>    Now when I book my appointments at the clinic, I make a point of
>asking not to be assigned to her.
>    Anyway, I thought this would amuse.  Of course, if she's right,
>I'd be interested in hearing it, since that would mean that my
>understanding of nutrition is seriously defective!
>

right or wrong I don't know, but, if a potato no longer has fiber 
when its cooked, then the same principle should hold true on any
other vegetable (cauliflower, corn, etc) and legume (beans)....B-)

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\_________      \     /_ \      /      _________/  essential liberty to 
 \_________      \_____/  \____/      _________/  obtain temporary safety
  \___________________      __________________/  deserve neither liberty 
                     /______\                   nor safety."  
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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: young@clpd.kodak.com (Rich Young)
Subject: Re: Vitamin B Supplement?
Originator: young@sasquatch
Reply-To: young@clpd.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 22:00:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.222322.22567@inel.gov> kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson) writes:
>
>There was a good article on vegans and B12 in the Vegetarian Times
>sometime within the last few months.  Ovo-lactos shouldn't worry,
>but I found the studies discussed for vegans very interesting
>(they gave 3 different viewpoints, as I recall).

	It's actually in the December 1992 issue, starting on page 56.  It
	gives opinions from:

	John and Mary McDougall, M.D. and R.N., respectively:

		"'We counsel people to take B12 supplements for [professional]
		and legal reasons, not because we are worried they will
		develop B12 deficiency.'"

	Milton Crane, M.D., a vegan professor of medicine at Loma Linda:

		"'When I started working with vegans, I was concerned that
		they wouldn't be getting enough B12,' he says, and contends
		that experience has borne out his fear: He's seen and
		heard about many vegans with nerve damage caused by B12
		deficiency."  "Crane religiously takes B12 supplements."

	Thomas Sanders, Ph.D., researcher of vegans in England:

		"He finds that vegans have low levels of B12 in general
		but that cases of nerve damage and B12-realted anemia tend
		to be rare.  'But now we're seeing B12 deficiency in 
		ordinary vegetarians,' he says with understandable concern,
		because eggs and dairy products are believed to be high-
		quality sources of B12."

	Michael Klaper, M.D.:

		"'When I first got in to the vegan nutrition game, I didn't
		quite know what to make of the B12 issue,' [he says].  'Now,
		my experience has humbled me a bit.  I see the risk of
		deficiency as small but not negligible.'  Klaper has seen
		six cases of confirmed B12 deficiency in his 10 years of
		counseling and treating vegan patients; all the cases
		were strict, non-supplementing men who had been vegans for
		five to 10 years."


-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Question about asthma
Date: 7 Jan 93 03:45:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan7.034527.14815
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1993Jan7.010706.22950@telesoft.com> tracy@telesoft.com (Tracy E. Childs @pulsar) writes:
>Anyway, I'll be interested in other responses because if veganism
>is the trick this may be the incentive I need to become a better
>label reader than I am now.

You've already discovered what you have to avoid to avoid asthma;
meat in the form of live cats.  It is most unlikely that refining
your diet further is going to make much difference.

I certainly can sympathize; I am almost, but not quite, as allergic
as you to cats, and this includes asthmatic symptoms, which I am not
ordinarily prone to in any other situation.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: artemis@netcom.com (Michelle Dick)
Subject: Re: Some things about beans
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:46:42 GMT

Source for unusual beans:

The Bean Bag
818 Jefferson Street
Oakland, CA 94607
800-845-BEAN

If you go there in person, it is a stand INSIDE the Housewives Market.
They do mail order.

Some of my favorites:  Scarlet Emperor, Black Runner, Mexican
Appaloosa.  Snowcaps look cool, but I find them one of the more bland
types (and for beans, that's saying a lot).

--
Michelle Dick
artemis@netcom.com
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Please help a community kitchen!
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 20:40:02 GMT

In article <C0pDJr.3E4@acsu.buffalo.edu> ztsindi@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (The Independents - SUNY Buffalo) writes:
>
>Our only resources are donated food and I only cook vegetarian meals; vegan
>whenever possible.  (Other volunteers can throw together canned meat if they
>feel it is needed.  I will not touch the stuff.)
>
>The problems are as follows.
>
>1)  I need simple recipes that use primarily the following ingredients.
>    (we have large amounts of each)
>
>                canned corn, green beans, kidney beans, pumpkin pie filling,
>                        apple sauce, and tomato sauce;
>                government surplus raisins, peanut butter, corn meal, and
>                        wheat flour;
>                and bulk rigatoni.
>
>2)  We do not get any fresh vegetables, only canned, and I have yet to find a
>    way to make canned vegetables taste good.
>
>3)  Recipes have to be simple because I have a very small, understocked
>    kitchen to work with.  No food processors, no blenders, mixers, juicers,
>    crock pots, etc., and minimal refrigeration and freezer space.  We have
>    a microwave, an eight-burner stove, and an industrial-sized oven.
>

sounds like you may want versions of casseroles:
into large stock pots dump, (do not drain):
 6 cans corn
 6 cans beans
 6 cans kidney beans
 3 cans tomato sauce (adjust to taste)
 [optional: onions, garlic, & other seasonings you may have on hand]
 salt & pepper to taste
once this is blended, add rigatoni & cook till rigatoni is done (adjusting
   water amount as necessary)
serve with bread (for the meat eaters - cut up canned ham as serve on side)

and, maybe, a pasta salad:
into a large stock pot add:
 6 cans corn (drained)
 6 cans green beans (drained)
 6 cans kidney beans (drained & rinsed)
 [optional:  onions, garlic, & other seasonings you may have on hand]
 salt & pepper to taste
once this is blended, add cooked rigatoni
pour commercial (or your homemade version) of italian dressing -
  toss to coat
serve with raisins on the side



 >                canned corn, green beans, kidney beans, pumpkin pie filling,
>                        apple sauce, and tomato sauce;
>                government surplus raisins, peanut butter, corn meal, and
>                        wheat flour;
>                and bulk rigatoni.


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\_________      \     /_ \      /      _________/  essential liberty to 
 \_________      \_____/  \____/      _________/  obtain temporary safety
  \___________________      __________________/  deserve neither liberty 
                     /______\                   nor safety."  
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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet (Clover M.)
Subject: Re: milk substitutes for Jill and others...
Reply-To: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 23:38:41 GMT

I have been trying veganism since Nov 31, and with minimal problems,
have stuck to my new diet.  Yes, I have cheated, but it has overall
been easier than I expected.

I used to drink milk on a regular basis, but not often.  I purchased
soy milk for drinking and baking, but the look of it reminds me too 
much of formula to get up the courage to drink it.

So today I went out and bought "White Almond Beverage" by "Earthsave".
I will try drinking this in the next day or so and let you know how it
tastes,

    
Clover
la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
This is my very first sig.file
From: liz@fatcity.cts.com (elizabeth hostetter)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: supplements
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 16:48:10 PST
Organization: Fat City Software, San Diego, California

[sorry, i can't quote...]
i, too, have been told to take supplements because of my veg. diet...one the 
whole, i haven't (oops! should be "on the whole...") and haven't suffered 
any deficiencies. i eat a very little cheese and some eggs 
(lactose-intolerant), and have no trouble. in fact, when i take iron 
supplements, i have really gnarly stomach cramps. Really, i don't think you 
ought to worry about it.
 
a cat can only be vegetarian with the aid of supplements, though...
 
This looks like a very interesting forum!
:)


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