HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: anw1@cec1.wustl.edu (Aaron Wong)
Subject: Re: Chinese character simplification, is it now necessary?
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:36:32 GMT

In article <62175@mimsy.umd.edu> kuansan@umiacs.umd.edu (Kuansan Wang) writes:
>The major reasons for character simplification are
>1) it takes more effort to write traditional characters, i.e., writing
>	traditional characters is not time-efficient.
>2) traditional characters are too complex to learn.  Chinese may spend
>	more time than their western counterparts in learning their
>	written language, which may be a hindrance to advancement in
>	science and technology.
>
>Well, I have just obtained a copy of the wonderful Chinese package on
>X and enjoy it very much (Here go my hearty thanks to the authors). 
>It seems to me that, when computer technology becomes more popular, the
>above mentioned reason number 1 does not hold anymore.  And people from
>Taiwan or HongKong who use traditional characters do not seem to have
>any disadvantage in sci and tech achievement, meaning reason number 2
>may be just a myth.
>
>So is it still worth sacraficing the compatibility with the existing
>thousands of years document and use the simplified characters today?
>

Well, Hong Kong pretty much gave up Chinese as far as Sci and Tech are
concerned. We use English in almost all those cases. For instance, I doubt
that more than 20% of the Hong Kong professionals and students can translate
the following into Cantonese: (I cannot)

Magnetic Flux Density
Benzoic Acid
Deribose-nucleic acid (sp?)
Object Oriented Programming
Partial Differential Equations
Field Effect Transistors
Semaphores
Parabola
.....

My point is, Hong Kong's achievements in Sci and Tech have little to do with
whether we are using simplified or traditional characters.


However, I do agree that the advancement of Computer Technologies will 
make this simplified/traditional arguement obsolete. That might take time,
say 100 years, but the popular use of computer has to happen.

Perhaps we shall see a day when simplified and traditional characters will
be used side by side. There is no way to eliminate one form or another by
now. Computers will only help the persistance of both forms.

NGOK
From: yawei@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (~{QG9p~})
Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
Subject: Re: Does "zw" work with "SoftPC" ?
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:23:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Nov22.195850.1036@athena.mit.edu> yuanyi@athena.mit.edu (Yi Yuan) writes:
>Has anyone installed "zw" on a decstation with "softpc"?
>If have have sucessful experience, please drop me a note. It does not seem to
>work on my machine in vga mode.
>What's the author's suggestion?

For ZWVGA to work, Softpc must be able to emulate the full VGA hardware,
including some infrequently used aspect of it. Giving the complexities
of the VGA hardware, I doubt very much that that is the case.

The Hercules hardware is less complex, so you may want to try zwherc instead.

ZWCGA has lousy Chinese fonts but it doesn't require hardware-level
compatibility, so it may have a better chance of working. It does 
require that the BIOS supports a second graphic page.

My suggestion is to try and see what works. But ZWDOS is really not
designed to work on an emulator.  Perhaps cxterm/hztty would suit your
need better.

  Ya-Gui Wei  ~{N:QG9p~}
From: xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang)
Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
Subject: Re: How to translate 'postscript'
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:39:17 GMT
Organization: UB

/* ho@aslslc119.asl.dl.nec.com (C. L. Ho) wrote */:
* 
* ~{2;V*9zDZJG7qSPRkC{~}, "PostScript" ~{KF?IRk3I!0JB:sEE8e!1~}
* ~{;rRk3I!02(K9LX?lEE!1#(ILF7C{#)!#~}

Let quote ~{115:~}:

~{NR2;M,Rb#!~}

The `Post' in `PostScript' refers the operator in the language comes
after the numbers, instead of using 
1 + 2 
in most language, it uses 
1 2 add
"PostScript" ~{Rk3I!0JB:sEE8e!1~}seems not appropriate. 
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Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
From: yawei@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (~{QG9p~})
Subject: Re: Zwdos stops working?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:51:17 GMT

In article <168A413A9E.WUCHEB@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> WUCHEB@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>Hi: I used to be able to read alt.chinese.text with my Zwdos v.2.1.  But it sto
>ps working with the new posting lately, while it still works well with the old
>downloded postings.  Can anyone tell me why?  Thank you.   C. Wu

Well, the trouble is that everybody is posting in English now, and zwdos
is not supposed to do anything with English. :-)  The other problems are
that people have been posting program binaries, sound files, etc., which
really don't belong in this newsgroup.

~{Gk4s<R6`K5#,6`P4VPND#!!!7qTr9}<8Dj>M;a0QVPND6<M|AK!#~} :-( Besides,
~{VPNDPBNEWiS&8CSPO`511H@}5DVPND!#~}

   ~{QG9p~}


Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
From: lhclin@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Louis Lin)
Subject: Re: Chinese character simplification, is it now necessary?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:28:50 GMT

In article <62175@mimsy.umd.edu> kuansan@umiacs.umd.edu (Kuansan Wang) writes:
>The major reasons for character simplification are
>1) it takes more effort to write traditional characters, i.e., writing
>	traditional characters is not time-efficient.
>2) traditional characters are too complex to learn.  Chinese may spend
>	more time than their western counterparts in learning their
>	written language, which may be a hindrance to advancement in
>	science and technology.
>
>Well, I have just obtained a copy of the wonderful Chinese package on
>X and enjoy it very much (Here go my hearty thanks to the authors). 
>It seems to me that, when computer technology becomes more popular, the
>above mentioned reason number 1 does not hold anymore.  And people from
>Taiwan or HongKong who use traditional characters do not seem to have
>any disadvantage in sci and tech achievement, meaning reason number 2
>may be just a myth.
>
>So is it still worth sacraficing the compatibility with the existing
>thousands of years document and use the simplified characters today?
>

One more point to support traditional characters:
Traditional characters contains more information than their simplified
counterpart.  So it is a possibility that traditional characters are
easier, hence faster, to be read.  No doubt that writing simplified
characters are easier, but if that translates to a slower reading speed,
it is unjustifiable to use the simplified characters, especially when
people spend more time reading (receiving information) than writing
(producing information).

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Xref: sparky alt.chinese.text:770 soc.culture.taiwan:15437 soc.culture.china:30730 soc.culture.hongkong:14581
From: kuansan@umiacs.umd.edu (Kuansan Wang)
Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Chinese character simplification, is it now necessary?
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:30:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: mimsy.62175
Followup-To: alt.chinese.text
Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742

The major reasons for character simplification are
1) it takes more effort to write traditional characters, i.e., writing
	traditional characters is not time-efficient.
2) traditional characters are too complex to learn.  Chinese may spend
	more time than their western counterparts in learning their
	written language, which may be a hindrance to advancement in
	science and technology.

Well, I have just obtained a copy of the wonderful Chinese package on
X and enjoy it very much (Here go my hearty thanks to the authors). 
It seems to me that, when computer technology becomes more popular, the
above mentioned reason number 1 does not hold anymore.  And people from
Taiwan or HongKong who use traditional characters do not seem to have
any disadvantage in sci and tech achievement, meaning reason number 2
may be just a myth.

So is it still worth sacraficing the compatibility with the existing
thousands of years document and use the simplified characters today?
Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text,soc.culture.china,alt.sources,alt.uu.lang.misc,sci.lang
From: tommi@rieska.oulu.fi (Tommi Kaikkonen)
Subject: Re: warning: Re: gb2pinyin -- new version (whole package)
Organization: Taidonkaari 1 E 36, 90570 Oulu, FINLAND
	<1992Nov16.062416.26288@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:57:45 GMT

lee@rinconada.stanford.edu (Fung Fung Lee) writes correctly about my quick
hack about hz2gb. It really is only for those without anything better.
I thereby stand corrected and will get a copy of the real hz2gb.

Tommi
Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
From: BGB9 <BGB9@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: ~{=qHUPBNEU*R*~}92.11.17~{@nPA~}
Organization: McGill University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:09:51 GMT

~{!o~}  ~{HNMpn.5DF^WSUE7oS"TZ11>)JP9+02>VCEG0J>M~#,R*GsR;<dK}D\~}
    ~{865CFp7?Wb5D7?WS!#HNMpn.1;EPPL:s#,K}J'H%9$Ww:M7?WS#,=qDj~}
    ~{K}1;FHNe4N0a<R!#~}

~{!o~}  ~{R;P)PBNEHKJ?HON*#,HNMpn.JGAy!"KD:s#,EPPLWnVX#,4&>3Wn;5#,~}
    ~{DjAdWn4s#(#4#8#,#)~}~{Wn2;J\HKW"Rb5DR;N;!#~}

~{!o~}  ~{VP9zR;OnPB5D=;M(9fTr9f6(#,F{35K>;z:M3K?M6<1XPkO502H+4x!#~}

~{!o~}  ~{4sB=H%DjSPR;MrNeG'HKK@SZ@M6/JB9J#,FdVP4s2?7VJGOgUrFsR5~}
    ~{VP5D?s>.WwR5!#F=>yR;0YMr6VC:SPJ.KDHKK@Mv!#~}

~{!o~}  ~{VP9z=+VXPBEE6(R;0YKyVX5c4sQ'#,=xPP6TMb=;Aw!#~}

Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
From: jimtan@earth.monash.edu.au (Jianjun Tan)
Subject: Where is beijing16?
Reply-To: jimtan@earth.monash.edu.au
Organization: Monash University Dept of Earth Sciences
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:32:20 GMT

Could anybody tell me where to get font,beijing16 for xhzed?
Thanx!







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Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
From: D61O@BR2.HRZ.TH-DARMSTADT.DE (One of 100 millions ZHANGs)
Subject: ~{;X9z<{NE~}
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:18:37 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24
Organization: TECHNICAL UNIVERSITY DARMSTADT, GERMANY

~{;X9z<{NE  #(R;#)~}



	~{G0R;6NJ1<d#,1>HK;X4sB=L=GW!"0lJB#,Tx5=<88v3GJPW_7C!"BCSN!#~}
~{M,A=DjG0O`1H#,Pm6`7=Cf1d;/FD4s!#NRTZUb@oOkRT2;6(FZPNJ=M,8PPKH$5DMx~}
~{BgEsSQCG7VOmR;P)PB5D<{NE!#51H;#,6TSPP)M,0{@4K5R2Pm2"7GPBNE!#~}


~{#*#*  =;M(  #*#*~}

	~{6T4S9zMb;XH%L=GW5D4s2?7VHK@4K5#,TZ9zDZWnIKDT=n5DJBGi4s8E>M~}
~{JG9+92=;M(AK!#3}3GJP<G3L354SJ}A?IO:M7~NqVJA?IO6<SP4s7x6HLa8_Mb#,R;~}
~{0c9+92=;M(9$>_Hg9+92F{35!";p35!"BV4,5HTr3}AK<[8qSP2;M,3L6HLa8_Mb#,~}
~{;y1>JG@OQyWS!#D3P)GxSrPT#(HgN^N}#-IO:##-:<V]<d5D#)BCSNAP35TrTZN@Iz~}
~{<07~NqVJA?IOSPKy8D=x#,Jt3v@`0N4dU_!#~}

	~{Pm6`3GJP<0BCSNGx3vOVR;@`!.P!9+92F{35!/#,UPJV<HM##,FDN*1c51!#~}
~{KdH;<[8q=OR;0c9+92F{359sR;P)#,5+:\J\;6S-!#AmSPR;P)H}BV35@`#,HgIO:#~}
~{5D;z6/P!H}BV35;r:<V]!"Nw025H5X5DHKA&H}BV35R2J}A?FD6`#,IzRbPKB!!#~}

	~{HK6`!"BrF1DQ!"!.;*GH4}Sv!/#(#=8_<[#+~}FEC~{#)KFJGWn4sNJLb!#~}
~{KyN=!.;*GH4}Sv!/JGTZ9:Br7I;zF1!";p35F1#(HmO/#?#)J19zHK!.R;JSM,HJ!/#,~}
~{<SSZNR12!.N^Im7]V$U_!/#/!.3V;$UUU_!/#/!.N^=iI\PEU_!/RTJ>SE4}U_!#RT~}
~{=g;.3v!.;6S-2N9[AK=b!/!"!.1#V$@4H%WTSI!/=W<6!#~}

	~{HgNRY-VPDGN;BrAK!0VP9zCq:=!1#(;r!06+7=!1!"!0DO7=!1!"!0Nw11!1!"~}
~{!09z<J!15H5H#,VnHg4K@`#)5D0`;zF1#,TrR2Pm;a6T!.6)Wy~}(Reconfirmation)
~{DQ!/R;4JSPKy8PL>!#SPP)9z<J:=0`J[F14&3#3#?IRT?45=!.<FKc;z9JUO#,=qHU~}
~{2;S*R5!/5HWVQy!#6xGR>-3#;aSv5=UbVVGi?v#:TZ9zMb6):CAK;X3L;zWy#(~}CAAC
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~{<FKc;z@oH48y1>!.UR2;5=!/Dc5DC{WV!#R2PmCq:=<FKc;zO5M3VP6`SP~}Virus
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~{R;5+IOAKLl#,Cq:=0`;z5D?UVP7~NqR2;9JGBz:C5D!#~}

							~{4}Px~}

J.Z.
Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
From: yawei@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (~{QG9p~})
Subject: zwdos's ascii fonts
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:44:58 GMT


A netter asked me a question about zwdos's ASCII fonts, unfortunately
I lost his address.  Since I think the question may be of general
interest, let me borrow some bandwidth here to answer his question.

The question was that zwdos (zwvga)'s ASCII font on his system looked
"ugly" and what can I do about it.

Answer: zwvga (and zwega) does not come with their own ascii fonts.  
They use the 8x14 graphic ascii fonts on the VGA hardware.  As such
the ascii characters in the Chinese mode will look different from 
system to system.  If they look ugly on your system, it is because
the font on your VGA hardware was ugly. There's not much I can do 
about that. :-(

Is anyone out there using zwdos on a system with an ATI Wonder VGA
card?  I have some preliminary report about some worse problem with
the ascii fonts on such a system, but cannot confirm it.  If anyone
has used zwdos on such a system, either successfully or
unsuccesfully, I would like to hear from you. Thanks.

  ~{N:QG9p~}
From: patrick@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu (Patrick van der Smagt)
Subject: Butterfly Love
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:15:57 GMT

I feel somewhat an odd man out here, and will use just Latin characters for my text.  The  
case is this: a while ago, a friend let me hear the `Butterfly Love' (another friend really  
liked that translation of the title for that piece) music on his computer, and shared the  
snd/.au source.  Now, I, and other people in the group here, enjoy listening to this music,  
yet I only have the first 92.394 seconds of it---it ends abruptly.  Is there any `complete'  
recording in netland?  If so, I would appreciate receiving it tremendously.  If nobody knows  
about this recording, then of course I wouldn't mind putting the chunk I have on the net...

							Patrick van der Smagt
Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
From: tang@tgevax.life.uiuc.edu (who knows)
Subject: How to post articles in chinese
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 04:01:02 GMT
From: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca
Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
Subject: ~{=qHUPBNEU*R*~}92.11.23~{@nPA~}
Date: 23 Nov 92 04:25:59 GMT
Organization: McGill University

~{!o~}  ~{Pm6`:#MbCqTKWiV/:M8vHKA*C{P4PER*Gs7(9zT];:2%7ER;2?SI7(9z~}
    ~{<GU_Da?K:MIrM.EDIc5D74S34sB=D?G05XOBCqTKGi?v5D5gJSF,!#Ub~}
    ~{2?B<S04x<GB<AKIrM.Vp8v5XTZ9cV]!"IO:#5H5X:M5XOBCqTKWiV/=S~}
    ~{M75DGiPN#,IrM.HON*!0ED5CN^P8?I;w#,>xN^02H+NJLb!1!#5+A*C{~}
    ~{P4PE5DHKK5#,HTH;SP1;4sB=9z022?@{SC5D?ID\!#VP9zCqWTA*SISZ~}
    ~{IrM.;X9z=SM76x1;26NeHK!#~}

~{!o~}  ~{L(MeW<PmCq<dFsR5=(Tl9$R58[?Z!#~}

~{!o~}  ~{VP9zMb>-2?6X4Y?KAV6YPEJXG0HNW\M3TZVPC@C3RWIO6TVP9zKyWv5D~}
    ~{3PY<!#~}

~{!o~}  ~{DO3/OJCq<dWiV/R*GsVP9zU~8.>M3/OJU=UyOr3/OJ5@G8!#VP9zShRT~}
    ~{>\>x!#@mSIJG51J1U=;pRQIU5=VP9z1_>3!#~}
From: kzhan@sgi1 (Kaijun Zhan)
Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
Subject: cxterm, hztty, zW, gb, Big5, ...
Date: 22 Nov 1992 17:49:43 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics & Statistics, Univ. of Guelph
NNTP-Posting-Host: sgi1.mathstat.uoguelph.ca
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Can somebody help me to clarify:
  (1) what is the relationship between gb and zW?
  (2) I am comfused with so many chinese word processors. I can read
      this group on PC by zwdos. But I cannot do it on cxterm. hztty
      is supposed to do the job, but under hztty, I even cannot get
      into the news. If I have to, I must download the file, then view   
      it under hztty.
  (3) Is there any tools in public domain to transfer zW to ps, like zw2ps
      for unix?
  (4) what is hz?

I will appreciate if some one could summerize a brief explanation on 
hz, zW, ....

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Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
From: yzhou@xongmao.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Joe Y. Zhou)
Subject: Help Needed on SubTitle...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:23:20 GMT

Does anyone have any experience with Subtitle? I have some trouble to
follow the README file.

In README, it says that "you can launch SubTitle, then go back to your
terminal emulator program and use the SubTitle FKEY to patch the DrawText
call in your terminal emulator." Does anybody know how to "use the SubTitle
FKEY to patch the DrawText call in your terminal emulator."?

BTW, I'm using NCSA Telnet 2.5, and I want to read the chinese newsgroup
alt.chinese.text from a Mac through Telnet.

Your help is highly appreciated.


joe
ya-zhou@uiuc.edu
(217) 244-0014
Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
Subject: Brushwriter, a Chinese-English WP.
From: bioysl@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:31:00 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University 

	Does anyone know the source of Brushwriter, a Chinese-English word
processor with bi-language function? This seems the best I have ever seen.
It is from Singapore. Any information will be helpful.

	Thanks in advance.

Yong Shu LIU
Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
From: ~~{5K~~}@bunny.rhic.bnl.gov (~~{5K6,F=~~})
Subject: mh-toggle-hz
Organization: ~~{W<9bKYVX@kWS6TW2;z~~}(Au+79)-> Little BIG BANG <-(Au+79)
Distribution: alt
Date: 15 Nov 92 15:32:23

Thanks to Kenichi Handa and Zhiyong Shen's suggestions, I modified hz2gb.el a
little bit (not knowing what's going on ;-) and came up sth. like these:

;;;
;;;mh
(defvar mh-hz-flag t)

(hz-add-hook 'mh-folder-mode-hook 'mh-folder-mode-hook-hz)

(defun mh-folder-mode-hook-hz ()
  (define-key mh-folder-mode-map "z" 'mh-toggle-hz))

(defun mh-toggle-hz ()
  (interactive)
      (let ((buffer (get-buffer mh-show-buffer)))
	(save-excursion
	  (set-buffer mh-show-buffer)
;	  (let ((buffer-read-only nil))
;	    (buffer-flush-undo buffer)
	    (if mh-hz-flag (hz2gb-buffer) (gb2hz-buffer))
	    (setq mh-hz-flag (not mh-hz-flag))))))


It's still buggy, but it does all I wanted and I am happy about it, that is
to toggle msgs between HZ-coded and GB.


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Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
From: Hongqi Li <hongqili@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: test
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:00:40 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

sorry, this is a test
Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
From: chenjx3@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jindon Chen)
Subject: Re: Chinese character simplification, is it now necessary?
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 00:28:51 GMT

In article <Bxyw85.8L5@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca> lhclin@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Louis Lin) writes:
>In article <62175@mimsy.umd.edu> kuansan@umiacs.umd.edu (Kuansan Wang) writes:
>>The major reasons for character simplification are
>>1) it takes more effort to write traditional characters, i.e., writing
>>	traditional characters is not time-efficient.
>>2) traditional characters are too complex to learn.  Chinese may spend
>>	more time than their western counterparts in learning their
>>	written language, which may be a hindrance to advancement in
>>	science and technology.
>>
>>Well, I have just obtained a copy of the wonderful Chinese package on
>>X and enjoy it very much (Here go my hearty thanks to the authors). 
>>It seems to me that, when computer technology becomes more popular, the
>>above mentioned reason number 1 does not hold anymore.  And people from
>>Taiwan or HongKong who use traditional characters do not seem to have
>>any disadvantage in sci and tech achievement, meaning reason number 2
>>may be just a myth.
>>
>>So is it still worth sacraficing the compatibility with the existing
>>thousands of years document and use the simplified characters today?
>>
>
>One more point to support traditional characters:
>Traditional characters contains more information than their simplified
			^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
			what does this mean? Chinese characters come from
pictures. But they are no longer pictures. I don't think you care about 
whether a character looks like a horse or a ramb when you are reading.
Actually, if you do so, it will, to the contrary, slow down your reading.
Simplication of Chinese characters is a nice idea, after all.
>counterpart.  So it is a possibility that traditional characters are
^^^^^^^^^^^^
>easier, hence faster, to be read.  No doubt that writing simplified
>characters are easier, but if that translates to a slower reading speed,
>it is unjustifiable to use the simplified characters, especially when
>people spend more time reading (receiving information) than writing
>(producing information).
>
>-- 
>______________________________________  __       __
>| email : lhclin@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca | /_/\__   / /_
>| Louis Lin, Computer Graphics Lab,  | \ \/_/\ /___/\
>| University of Waterloo, Canada.    |  \___\/ \___\/


Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
From: liu@alex.ecs.umass.edu
Subject: THE songs' ftp site (somewhere at nasa?)
Organization: OSU Physics Dept.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:34:13 GMT


Sorry to bother you guys, buy couldn't anyone tell me the ftp site and directory
that stored the Chinese songs in "SUN" format? Thank you in advance, my friend!
Be the way, should we change this group to "alt.chinese.multi-media", or should
we create a couple of other groups to show our solidarity?

So long!
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: rich@theophilus.msfc.nasa.gov (Rich Krum)
Subject: Mailer Maliase (sic)
Reply-To: rich@theophilus.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: Boeing Computer Support Services
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:13:52 GMT

The Troll Mumbles--

"This is getting ridiculous--now posting gets flakety, chrochety, and wierd."

Can anyone hear this?

"Something appears to be busted somewhere, and I'd rater not say 'test'!"

Hepl?

--Da Frustrated Troll

"Something went <crash> in the night, I think---

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