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From: mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter)
Subject: Re: Speaking of ass holes...
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 13:06:15 GMT

>>In article <36774@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Joh
ns) writes:
>
>>Well, Michael, since you're not black ...
 
And, since we're discussing why I think most White People (tm) are a lot
more prejudiced than you think they are, Johns, I might as well add what
from the mouth of babes came out the other week:
 
I was sitting discussing some activism I've been involved with for the disabled
on this campus when reference to the Dean of Libraries was made. This Dean comes
up in the discussions from time-to-time 'cause most of us have seen an internal
memo she wrote after we filed a grievance against a program under her control
(this was back in Fall); needless to say, she felt dissed. Now, not more than
two weeks ago I'm sitting with these three White People, and the Dean comes
up in the discussion. The one woman is obviously as disgusted by her as I am;
but, I never knew this Dean was Black until this first time this one woman
made an "off-color" remark about the Dean back several months ago. Then,
two weeks ago, this same woman started to make a racially motivated slur,
stops, then jokingly says she was going to say something "off-color," but
felt she could hold her tongue. How cute <sarcasm>.
 
Yeah, Johns, I have every reason NOT to think that the only White People (tm)
who are stupid are the so-called rednecks, as you've suggested once. I have
been surprised by some of those right-thinking White People so many times
that it's worn very thin. So, if I get on here and dis White People like
they were garbage, then perhaps it's MY defensive weapon against having to
accidentally talk to a particular White Person and have him/her say something
I'm not exactly peachy about. Every fricken time this happens, I feel like
SHIT; and, if YOU don't like the way I take out my aggressions, maybe you
and I can do something more substantial about it instead of type garbage
in this secure forum. I ain't afraid to die; how about you?
 
Oh, and I'd like to say a Black man I know once said to me he always wonders
what White people say of him when he's not around. I didn't have the heart
to tell him that some White people would probably surprise him. In short, if
you suspect that White People don't say exactly what you might be offended
by, then I can tell you that some/many White People DO make "harmless" remarks
about Black people that are clearly racially motivated, while they would not
DARE to do it in a "mixed" crowd (nudge, nudge, wink, wink -- yeah, really nifty
eh?).
 
 
Mc
From: bstring@mainz-emh2.army.mil (BOB STRINGFIELD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: [william carter franklin:  Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson]
Date: 17 Aug 1992 01:40:52 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway

Carter, Carter.  Now why are things so bad in Africa.  Why are people
dying?  Expand your thought process and you will readily see that
the simplest question requires the most profound answer :-)
--bob

***********************
lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolon Blow) writes:

>By your twisted logic, Nigeria (with 80,000,000 blacks) is the best 
>place in the world for black people to live in.  It is, as you say, 
>"ludicrous" for the U.S., with a paltry 35,000,000 or so to even be in 
>contention.  

-- 
>larry kolon blow:(lkk@panix.com) 
>_(*#&)#*&%)@(*^%_!*&%^!)*&#+!*&$+!?&%+!*&^_)*&#%)*&^%#+&


So the United States, even with the numerical disadvantage, IS a better
country than Nigeria? Right? But Canada, with her numerical decimation
of black people in comparison, is not better.

THE EMPLOYMENT RATES ARE VIRTUALLY THE SAME BETWEEN U.S. AND CANADA.
U.S. EMPLOYS MULTIPLES MORE!!!
NIGERIA????? I BET ALOT OF THOSE NIGERIANS WOULD BE HAPPY TO LEAVE THAT
HELL AND COME OVER HERE AS INDENTURED SERVANTS ITS SO BAD.

----- End of forwarded messages
From: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Human "species"wasWhitski
Date: 21 Aug 92 23:08:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online, St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 

Hi!

LT>According to evolutionist thinking, whites and blacks can be
LT>considered two separate species.
No. Re-read your Darwin, please.
Two organisms belong to different species, if they cannot mate
successfully anymore. As you know, that is not the case between the
different human races. And I'm a living proof :-)
                ^^^^^


LT> So the situation in apartheid
LT>countries has an evolutionary basis. How are whites and blacks
LT>considered different species? Well evolutionists like to show
LT>speciation has and is occuring. A popular method is to say that
LT>two sets of organisms that are identical but differ in mating
LT>habits or preferences `cannot' interbreed and are therefore
LT>two distinct species. This can be extended to human society if
LT>social factors cause different races to prefer not to interbreed.

'Social factors' do not count for a biologist. Besides, you are exactly
one of the supporters, that perpetuate the segregation. I bet you are
against interracial dating, not to speak of interracial marriage.
So much for segregation and racism of the black side.

LT>Actually I think the main three racial groupings (black, white,
LT>yellow) are descended from Noah's three sons.

Are you serious?

Greetinx, Carl

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Evolution is God's way of issuing updates
                                                                                                 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: kevinc@sequent.com (Kevin Closson)
Subject: Re: "Acting White"
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 18:08:01 GMT

In article <2905.117.uupcb@wugate.wustl.edu> andrew.wiggs%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Andrew Wiggs)  writes:
>KC>>I don't understand what you mean by BEV and SAE.  Please explain.
>
>KC>   BEV:   Black English Vernacular
>KC>   SAE:   Standard American English
>
>I still don't understand BEV. Explain further, please.
     
          No.

>KC>   You're not saying that speaking BEV equates to butchering the English
>KC>   language,  are you?
>
>Don't you think you're putting words in her mouth.

          No.
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Gang related Public Service Announcement
Date: 16 Aug 92 13:31:02 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
In-reply-to: larry8@emx.cc.utexas.edu's message of 16 Aug 92 01:44:57 GMT

When everyone was talking about this (it's been on CNN or somesuch), I
thought "Controversy?  PE did this on their last album."

Anyway, I've seen the commerical and I thought it was OK *except* that
I think it should be more clear that the LARGE BLACK MAN is a gang
member--I don't think it was that obvious on first glance.
--
Peace.
          "Until the lions have their historians,
           tales of the hunted will always glorify the hunter."
                        - African proverb
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,ca.politics,talk.politics.misc
From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Subject: Re: Is Crime a non-issue for Blacks
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:12:33 GMT

In article <BszJ50.5HC@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>  Certainly crime is far higher in poor, black neighborhoods,
>  and blacks, who are 12% of the population, commit over 40%
>  of the crime, so blacks in poor neighborhoods SHOULD be worried
>  and they're stupid if they're not.   But from everything else

The WSJ article pointed out that the results of asking government to
get tough on crime often made their situation worse. Given such a
history, it is reasonable to be worried about something else
(anything else!) when you are speaking on record.

-- 
My opinions are my own.
A right delayed is a right denied.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Johns vs. Carpenter
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:23:58 GMT

In article <36774@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu
(David A. Johns) has a conversation with
1992Aug14.222604.6413@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu
(Michael J. Carpenter)in which Carpenter says:

How about the time I told you about my co-workers who sat there
wondering what it would be to "do" a secretary - who is Black - and
you dismissed them a "rednecks"?  Sorry, boy, but those ass holes
were college educated, "reasonable" white men who would talk as if
they were Gwen's best friend, then turn around and talk of her as if
she were some mysterious sex animal that had to be
"experienced" to believe.  Yeah, rednecks - THAT's the difference
between educated MF's like yourself and ass holes like them.

gaby@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) responds:

Wait a freaking minute.  Let me state, as a African-American woman,
that I would be highly offended by such a pornographic AND racist
come-on as that.  Im sure Gwen would feel the same way:  to be done
in such a fashion that has nothing to do with courtship, seduction,
or anything remotely connected with love or genuine attraction.  Its
as though Gwens sexuality is some kind of freak trophy for white
guys to become men.  Rednecks and educated white guys alike:  they
would cut off her head to mess with her body.  They dont want to see
that black women have eyes, or a mind.  Thats a phony standard for
masculinity, just like brothers who think theyre not men until
theyve had a white woman.  This mindset is straight outta the
plantation...which is why many black women dont even want to think
about even flirting with a white guy.  As my mother and grandmother
indicated to me, Theyre nasty.  And Im sure Im not alone in how Ive
been inculcated with that warning.  Many white guys think that black
women are just casual, accessible recreation; they can just hike up
their pants and go about their business.  Forget taking her home to
Mom.  Hes just doing his dirt on her.  Sounds wiping a dick with a
towel.  Thats why most black women will stick like glue to the
brothers REGARDLESS.

Furthermore, the word do is slang for killing as well.  Im going to
do my old lady tonight.  Outta the mouths of babes...


The Johns/Carpenter conversation continues with Carpenter saying:

Speaking of which, I was sitting w/some people yesterday and the one
white woman was relating a story as to how her and her son went to
the Children's Museum the other week.  There was this Black man who
was, by his sheer size, supposed to be able to pedal fast enough to
create enough electricity from a generater to run a number of
appliances.  I don't think I'll be sitting with those fuckers any
more.  Of course, I want to make it very clear that it was just
ignorance - no harm, no foul.  Maybe I should excuse all the times
this bull shit happens, eh, Johns?  I can't swing a dead cat without
running into this kind of shit.


Jesus (the Christian Buddha).  Will this shit NEVAH end?
From: femibyte@athena.mit.edu (Olufemi G Anthony)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Elvis as metaphor
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:17:25 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <92221.175556U32431@uicvm.uic.edu> <U32431@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>For some time I have been experiencing a good deal of confusion and hostility i
>n my reaction to any mention of Elvis.  I can't reall put my finger on it.  It
>is far more complicated than my simply saying something like, I'm frustrated be
>cause there is this gigantic inside joke, which I don't get.  Really, I don't g
>et it, and, frankly, it does bother me that I don't get it.  I am greatly offen
>ded that the Postal Service will spend resources for the purpose of determining
> if America  wants fat Elvis or skinny Elvis on stamps.  I don't want any Elvis
> on my letters.  What would have been the reaction to an effort to determine if
>the picture of Little Richard with the big do, or the little do was the questio
>n?  Why is Bill Clinton calling himself Elvis?  I was told by someone, perhaps
>a little more in touch with Elvis than I, that"it is not that Elvis is being ta
>king seriously, Elvis is a joke people just wanna have fun with, that Elvis was
>stupid and vacuous". Perhaps.  But, I think a lot of people do take Elvis serio
>usly. I don't think Bill Clinton is stupid, perhaps vacuous, but not stupid.  I
> need opinions about this Elvis thing.

"Elvis was a hero to most, 
 Elvis was a hero to most, 
 But he never meant sh*t to me,
 The sucker was racist, simple and plain,
 F**k him and John Wayne..."

Public Enemy "Fear of a Blak Planet"

Femi.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:44:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.202932.6003@seq.uncwil.edu>,
frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
>BECAUSE? So YOU are the master of cause and effect? Well, I am sure your
>parents are proud. Read todays posts. America and Canada have about the
>same employment rate for black people. AND, America pampers her
>unemployed black people in comparison to Canada. Geez, this is an easier
>debate than I thought.
.
.
Black people are pampered in this country?  Stupidity reigns.
.
Let's face it folks.  This man is in love with his own words--a male
Ms. Paglia. (For all of you know not in the know, Ms. Paglia is a
now-famous anti-feminist who calls herself a feminist.  She says she
is in a running battle with Susan Sontag and that she--Ms.
Paglia--has been able to win each contest. The only thing is,
you-all, she's winning by mirror.)  So it is with this character.
.
Ignore him. Misinformed, misanthropic hangnail.
From: mmrwlm@sn116.uca (Wanda L McCrae)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Elvis as metaphor
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:53:34 GMT
Reply-To: mmrwlm@sn116.uca
Organization: General Electric

In article 21411@rti.rti.org, wgr@rti.rti.org () writes:
->From what I've heard (and gathering info on Elvis is NOT one of my hobbies),
->he mainly abused legal drugs.  Would you feel the same way if Elvis had been
->a heavy smoker and had died of lung cancer?
->
->I think there are a lot of other folks more deserving of being honored with
->a postage stamp, but I dare say none of them was perfect either.

I'm not looking for perfection, but I know that Elvis' attitude toward blacks was not particularly
friendly (to put it mildly).

If Elvis had died of lung cancer with the same attitude toward blacks, I would not want him on
a stamp.  I guess I should have brought up the issue of his attitude to help support my
displeasure with seeing him on a stamp.

In article 9303@news2.cis.umn.edu, mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness") writes:
->What _I_ can't understand is that there are people in the streets homeless,
->and the postal service is spending $1 200 000 tryin to figure out if people
->want a fat Elvis or a fuckin skinny Elvis.  That's what I can't understand.

Hey, I can't understand it either.  Does anyone have any kind of ideas?  Can we hold the
postal service accountable for that?  There should be a way to make them answer for that money.
By the way, is it taxpayers' money?

---
Wanda L. McCrae                       | I'm too cool for a signature!
mmrwlm@sn370.utica.ge.com   |
From: bstring@mainz-emh2.army.mil (BOB STRINGFIELD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re:  Welfare
Date: 18 Aug 1992 10:49:50 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Lost the conversational thread on this one but the conversation is going
on list 'bush' if you care to join in...
--bob
i******************
From:         "Peter J. Schledorn" <UNCPJS%UNC.BITNET@pucc.princeton.edu>
Subject:      Re: Re: Re: Read My Lips Correctly
To:           Multiple recipients of list BUSH <BUSH%MARIST.BITNET@pucc.princeton.edu>

> > Less than 3% of those I've had contact with
> > over the past ten years are multi-generational welfare
> > recipients; This is reality, John, not pie in
> > the sky rhetoric!!!
>
> Welfare creates multi-generational abuser's.  They are lost in a
> neverending cycle of gov't dependence.  3% of the retarded you
> deal with are not multi-generational?  Good try, wrong point.
>
> We have created a social class, dependent on the gov't taking
> care of them.  It's their right!  Wrong!  Teach them self
> dependence.  I don't propose harming those unable to help
> themselves (i.e. retarded), just making it harder for the lazy.

You have yet to post a single fact or figure that backs up this
assertion, though.  All you do is paint this word picture of
millions of lazy goodfornothings eating up the entire federal
budget.  Care to back up this claim with some data?

> I know a good machanic with two normal and two retarded kids.
> Everyone in this small town (just south of San Antonio) knew he
> earned more from the gov't to stay home and take care of his kids
> than to continue to work on cars.  *THAT* is the problem.

Yes, that is a problem.  When an honest job doesn't pay enough to
let you raise a family decently, when you have to depend on
government handouts that everyone knows are inadequate rather than
continue to work, that's a problem.  But it's not a problem with
the welfare system.

> *MINIMUM* skills and a *MINORITY* status *GUARANTEE* you a job
> and *GUARANTEE* job security.  Firing a incompentent *MINORITY*
> is extremely difficult, impossible in many cases.  Even with tons
> of documentation, a company still ends up fighting the NAACP.

Nope.  Didn't happen for a friend of mine, who couldn't get the NAACP
to back her, even though her case was good enough to convince a
mostly white jury a couple of years later.  It's hard enough to get
backing when you have an airtight case, because there's just too much
going on.

Best,
Peter

> John "The Rock" Stone

----- End of forwarded messages
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: This is just plain silly.  Cops as new discriminated minority.
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:56:39 GMT

In article <ISBELL.92Aug17174030@panther.ai.mit.edu>,
isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
>I found this in alt.rap:
>
>From: ross@refine.enet.dec.com (The Vinyl Record Collector)
>Newsgroups: alt.rap
>Subject: Another Suit Against A Hip Hop Artist
>
>
>        HOUSTON (UPI) -- The widow of a Texas state trooper is suing rap
>singer Tupac Amaru Shakur, known as 2Pac, and Time Warner Inc., claiming
>the singer's lyrics incited a teenager to kill her husband, it was
>reported Saturday.
>        The lyrics specifically deal with police harassing blacks and were on
>a cassette found in a vehicle driven by Ronald Howard, who was stopped
>on the highway by Department of Public Safety trooper Bill Davidson, on
>April 11.
.
[Lotsa other information deleted here...]
.
.
I've had it with folks trying to muzzle any kind of music,
especially and including rap.  Sure, there's a lot of sexist stuff
in these tomes (that I object strongly to and here's where education
comes in) but more often than not, they are addressing issues in the
community.
.
What gets me is, how is a brother supposed to handle his
frustration? Bad enough some are beating up or killing each other,
then the cops have to come in like Cossacks and jack anybody up.
.
A brother is different from a white guy in that he doesn't
culturally zip it up. He's gonna say it, no matter what. A brother
is gonna say what IS, even while the cop is jacking him up.
.
This whole thing about rap is about censoring the thoughts, the
wishes (no matter how colorful or distasteful) and even the hopes of
young black males and females.  To that I say, FTS (fuck that
shit)..these folks want to censor Afro-Ams no matter what they wish
to perpetrate on us.
.
.
Historical note:  Tupac Amaru was a Native American emperor and
general who took up the struggle against Spanish rule for his
people (I believe, the Incas). To let you get a clue about how much
resistance there was to being enslaved: there were FOUR Tupac Amarus
that rose up during the Conquest.

Read, read, read, "Memory of Fire" by Eduardo Galeano...



Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu (Queen Shatiqua Delvareesa Vaccumcleena)
Subject: Re: BEEEEE CONSISTENT NOOOOW  :)
Keywords: CONSISTENCY?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: global
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 02:16:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.170731.15845@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william jimmy carter franklin) writes:

["speech" deleted]

$Remember, failure is an easy well to fall in when you use the bucket of
$blame as your elevator.

Translated:

Someone has notified my sysadmin of my behavior, and I've had my posting
priviledges taken away.

-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, Honeywell/CIS-Univ. of Minn.     mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu
				            Moore_Malcolm+@ssdc.honeywell.com	
	"Arresk the Presidink!"
				-- Popeye the Intelligent Hoodlum
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 22:26:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.165904.19866@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
>stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Stinken Slowall) writes:
>
>
>>Somebody needs to pop a cap in yo white trash head, muthafuckah.
>
>Just goes to show the mentality that I am dealing with here sometimes
>on soc.blah.blah.blah. Violence is a major means of oppression, this
>is an example of how a black person oppresses a white: trying to 
>inflict fear by means of VIOLENCE. By the way, Stinken, how many 
>white trashes do you know that are straight A math students?

You know, this question epitomizes your bigotry and perception based on stereo-
types. I've spent everyday since high school showing white, middle-class 
suburbanites how a boy from my neighborhood can kick their asses in the 
academics (I was in Physics, now in Engineering - still leaving suckas with
your holier-than-thou education in the dust). Even in high school, there were
city-wide awards (cash money) given out for performance on the SAT; TWO 
students, another bro and I, took two of the three awards. The 
predominantly white high schools in our school system (the schools segregated
by economics, when you get down to it) were left pissed 'cause they couldn't
believe our high school had some of the best students in the city. 

So, I know a few "low-lifes" that could run rings around your white ass in
the classroom. I'd be careful in associating "white trash", black people,
the disabled, or any other group with stupidity, as you've so eloquently
done here. 

Step off, son. Leave the thinking to the big boyz.

Mc


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