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From: paul@hal.COM (Paul Sander)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Rotation for 1st serve
Date: 5 Nov 1992 14:56:53 -0800
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: us
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Summary: Must you?

I take volleyball classes at the local community college, and occasionally
play recreational volleyball, for a total of 4-7 hours per week.  But despite
the relatively low frequency of chances to play, my skill level is high
intermediate to low advanced (I dive for balls and often keep them on my side
of the net, set 6-2 offenses, and save balls shanked 10-15 feet out of the
court with my back to the net).

Once every three months or so, I get into a situation where the people I'm
playing with disagree with me on whether or not to rotate after the first
side-out of a game.  This is team B's first serve, when team A has won the
coin toss for the first serve of the game.

I've been taught that the serving team must rotate after every side-out,
and my Official United States Volleyball Rule Book 1991 (!) states in Rule
7 Article 6 that "The team which receives the ball for service shall rotate
one position clockwise before serving."  This seems to agree with my training,
as it does not explicitly exclude the first time a team serves in a game.

Yet, many of my fellow players disagree.  It seems that they've been playing
volleyball in high school, and the rules governing that level play are
different.  (My USVBA rulebook states that the authority for that type of
competition is the National Federation of State High School Associations,
and that variations between their rules and USVBA's are significant in
number.)  They claim that it is against the rules to rotate the first time
a team serves in a game.  When quoted the USVBA rule (directly from the
rule book, even the 1992 edition), they rebut that it doesn't explicitly
include a team's first serve of the game.

Since the USBVA rules govern intercollegiate matches, how is the rule
interpreted there?  My observation as a spectator has been that the serving
team rotates after every side-out, including the first.

For those who play on intercollegiate teams or the national team, or those
who referee such matches, would you please send email describing the "official"
interpretation of the rule?  I will summarize to the net in a few days.

Many thanks in advance!
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From: tomz@ecs.comm.mot.com (Tom Ziomek)
Subject: Re: Need Someone to play with
Organization: control_centers
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:33:06 GMT

In article <7214340435514@spatial> shugrue@spatial (Leon Shugrue) writes:
>I would appreciate some general advice on how to go about finding leagues
>and/or open volleyball sessions. I have been playing for about a year
>and feel that it's time to move up to some better competition. Also, my
>fall league is about a month from ending.
>
>Also, I could use some specific info about the above for the Chicago area,
>both southwest 'burbs and the North Shore. 
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Leon Shugrue
>

Well, I'm mostly familiar w/ the Northwest suburbs, but here's some ideas
for the areas you mentioned:

- Check out the monthly issues of Windy City Sports.  It's a magazine you
  can pick up free at most sporting-goods/outdoorsey stores.  The back has
  a section on upcoming tournaments and leagues.

- There are some leagues at McGaw YMCA in Evanston.

- Clinics (i.e. drills and coaching) are open on Monday evenings at Latin
  School (North and Clark in the city) and Sunday mornings in Aurora.  Call
  Fred Vargas of Volleyball Chicago at 708/851-1625.  I can post or mail
  more detailed info if requested.  This may also be the best place for
  you to meet potential teammates if you don't already have a team set up.

There's a lot more that I don't know about.  Your best bet is to start
meeting some players who live in the areas you are interested in, and/or
stop by some of the specialty volleyball stores.

Good luck.

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From: van@wucs1.wustl.edu (Van K. Vo)
Subject: Re: Rotation for 1st serve
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Distribution: us
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:24:56 GMT

In article <1dc8rlINNbll@parlo.hal.COM> paul@hal.COM (Paul Sander) writes:

>For those who play on intercollegiate teams or the national team, or those
>who referee such matches, would you please send email describing the "official"
>interpretation of the rule?  I will summarize to the net in a few days.
>-- 
>Paul M. Sander  (408) 379-7000  |  "If everything were easy, where would be
>HaL Computer Systems, Inc.      |   the challenge?"
>1315 Dell Avenue                |
>Campbell, CA  95008  USA        |


Why bother with letting you summarize when I can summarize for you?

USVBA/NAGWS/FIVA:  The team receiving a side-out rotates before serving.
	There is no exception to this.  That means even for the first
	side-out.  For the very first serve of a game, the serving team
	is not considered to have gotten a side-out.  This is why the
	team winning the serve turns in their lineups with the first
	person in the right-back position, while the receiving team's
	first person is in the right-front position(their first server).

Federation (NFSHSA):  The team receiving the first side-out does NOT
	rotate.  Plain.  Simple.  No discussion.  No arguments.

Like there was going to be some kind of discussion...

My next post is a list of differences between USVBA/NAGWS and NFSHSA.
You're right, there are quite a few rules differences.

Van Vo
Washington Univ. VBC
From: henness@ksg1.harvard.edu (KEITH HENNESSEY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Boston/Cambridge A player lookin' for a game
Keywords: Boston Cambridge volleyball VB Harvard
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:54:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: ksg1.henness.5.0
Organization: Kennedy School of Government


	I just moved from Northern California to Cambridge, MA.

	Does anyone know where some good ball is played regularly?

	When I get back in shape, I hope to be an A player again, but
	it's been a few months.

	Thanks for your help.

						Keith Hennessey
						HENNESS@KSG1.HARVARD.EDU
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From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: FIVB World Super Four Tourney
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:32:52 GMT

This was in the Atlanta Constitution today!  Amazing.

Japan beats USA:15-5, 15-9,10-15,15-7
Brazil beats Netherlands:15-8,11-15,15-5,15-11

This part was garbled up, they said:"Bob Samuelson led the American team with eight points, including four spikes, three blocks, and one serve."  Huh?

The tournament was in Tokyo.
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From: umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz)
Subject: Re: Boston/Cambridge A player lookin' for a game
Keywords: Boston Cambridge volleyball VB Harvard
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:57:43 GMT

   A USVBA A rated player? Doubles A rated player? What A rating?

   You could call GBVC and ask them. Jay Guinan - (617) 275-5371 and ask
him for some information. There are lots of clubs up there. There is
also Yankee Volleyball and there are at least 8 tournaments every
weekend of various levels. Also, you can ask a guy on here (Sergio)
about his team. His is an Open level team. He might need a player.



                                            - Drummer -



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From: meyer@sfi.santafe.edu (Thomas P. Meyer)
Subject: taxes
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 21:52:41 GMT
Organization: Santa Fe Institute
Distribution: usa

I was startled by the animosity of the responses I
received from my previous post about taxes.  I don't
know whether it is because there is a feeling that I am 
cheating the American public, or simply that some of
us have a difficult time expressing opposing viewpoints
in a non-adversarial manner, and the antagonism I perceive
is imagined.
   In any event, allow me to clear up a few points.  
 "Sincere intent" was *not* meant to be facetious.
I have amassed well over $2000 in cash and prizes this year,
and expect that number to increase substantially next
year.  These winnings must be declared. Anyone who have
won money in tournaments, and has not declared it as
income, is a scofflaw.
   When declaring my winnings, it would be nothing short of
asinine on my part not to deduct expenses incurred.  If the
sum total turns out negative, so be it.
   I discovered all this while idly discussing volleyball while
my CPA was preparing my taxes last year.  It was she who
insisted I begin saving receipts for the aforementioned
deductions.  This, if nothing else, should clear up the
question of "criminality" which was very rudely suggested
by my antagonists.
   In summary, what I'm doing is EXACTLY what the IRS wants
me to do.  Ironically, those of you who have won tournaments
(presumably almost everyone), but have not declared the
income, are the ones breaking the law.
   Forgive me if this posting sounds inimicable.  I have a
difficult time expressing myself civilly when addressing
people ignorant of what they speak.

Thomas
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From: ccorbett@wpi.WPI.EDU (Christopher J Corbett)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Boston/Cambridge A player lookin' for a game
Date: 12 Nov 1992 20:34:27 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
Keywords: Boston Cambridge volleyball VB Harvard

In article <henness.5.0@ksg1.harvard.edu> henness@ksg1.harvard.edu (KEITH HENNESSEY) writes:
>
>	I just moved from Northern California to Cambridge, MA.
>
>	Does anyone know where some good ball is played regularly?
>
>	When I get back in shape, I hope to be an A player again, but
>	it's been a few months.
>
>	Thanks for your help.
>
>						Keith Hennessey
>						HENNESS@KSG1.HARVARD.EDU

	*Keith....
	*There is a league called the NECVL(New England
	*Collegiate Volleyball League) that includes
	* all the major colleges in the area.  Harvard 
	* should have more info on it for you.  
	* Also there is a really god league in Waltham
	* called the Waltham Volleyball Club which I hear
	* has some great competition.  Good look!
	*			....Chris

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From: van@wucs1.wustl.edu (Van K. Vo)
Subject: Re: USVBA/NAGWS vs. NFSHSA rules diffs
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:52:02 GMT

In article <BxBDxv.55@unix.amherst.edu> mkrogers@unix.amherst.edu (MICHAEL K ROGERS) writes:
>Van K. Vo (van@wucs1.wustl.edu) wrote:
>: 
>: Volleyball Rule Differences  1991-1992
>: ---------------------------------------
>: The NAGWS/USVBA rule is stated first followed by the NFSHSA rule.
>: Developed by Sue Lemaire, NAGWS Volleyball, Rules Interpreter
>: 
>: 9.  Padding
>: Required(NAGWS)/No requirement(USVBA)
>: Requred(Federation)
>
>At first I was amused/bewildered, but I suppose it must refer to
>knee pads.
>

Actually, I believe this refers to padding on the equipment, e.g. poles
and ref stands.  Thanks for pointing out the vagueness of this comment.

>: 21.  Time for service
>: 5 seconds from service whistle until the ball is RELEASED to serve.
>: 5 seconds from service whistle until the ball is CONTACTED.
>
>Don't toss it more than 60m high in high school.


Thanks,
Van
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: shugrue@spatial (Leon Shugrue)
Subject: test / clubs
Summary: posting test/request for general club info 
Organization: ANL
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:20:02 GMT


This is , first of all, a test to ascertain whether my machine's posting
software actually works. Hopefully it does, and the remainder of this 
article will be addressed by other readers. 

I have been playing YMCA v-ball for a year and informally for a 
great deal longer (motly outdoor). I have become, as have most of you,
addicted to this wonderfully exciting sport. I would like some advice
on how to become more involved, or involved at higher levels of the sport.
My current team includes one A rated player (so he says, I'm still not
sure what the actual criteria for ratings are), and I feel that my skills 
have benefitted greatly by playing in a league that was, to begin with, 
over my head. 

Due to the _test_ nature of this article, I will keep it short and 
end here.

Leon Shugrue.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: ress@bnr.ca (David Ress P040)
Subject: Re: taxes
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP 
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:39:57 GMT

I don't know how serious you are about this, but since I didn't
see any :)s I assume you have some intention of really going
through with this.  I'd say it sounds a bit criminal to me, and
you better hope you don't get audited.  Also, as an honest 
taxpayer and volleyball player I don't much like the idea of
paying for your hobby.  I have enough volleyball expenses of
my own to worry about and the USA has enough legitimate 
areas which need our tax dollars.  

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From: kjmiller@mitre.org (Kevin Miller)
Subject: Open Play in Austin, TX
Followup-To: rec.sport.volleyball
Organization: MITRE
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:19:20 GMT

I expect to be in the Austin, TX area in December (1st thru 3rd) and am
looking for any open play vball in the area.  I'm a -C/C level player and
would prefer something run by a volleyball club or organization:  my
experiences with pure pickup games (i.e. nobody even nominally in charge)
has been less than pleasant.

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From: van@wucs1.wustl.edu (Van K. Vo)
Subject: Re: Women's Div. III Ending
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:24:37 GMT

Sorry to everyone for a couple of mistakes that were brought to my 
attention.

Three teams Wash U has dropped games to:  SUNY-Cortland, UW-Lacrosse, DePauw.

Their game record is 105-3.  (Thirty-five times three is fifteen carry the
one...)

Van Vo



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From: schneid@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Schneider)
Subject: what exactly is overlapping...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:20:52 GMT

Recently I've been wondering exactly what the rule on overlapping
your teammates is.  Suppose I'm an outside hitter in position
middle-front (MF) and the middle hitter is in left-front (LF).
Then I want to trade places with him as soon as the ball is served
(let's say by my team).  I realize that I can't be left of him
before the ball is served.  But what does that mean exactly?
This diagram might (hah!) help:

- - - - - - - - - - - - - NET

      him me

Here we are with space between us.


- - - - - - - - - -  NET

      him
	me

Here we are with no space between us, but I am not on his left.


- - - - - - - - - - - NET

      him
     me

Here we are with me slightly on his left, yet not completely
overlapped (no space between us).  W

When I say no space between us, I mean left-right.

Obviously the first would be legal, but one wants to be in the 
best possible position.  Can someone explain this?

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From: liu@cerl.uiuc.edu (Albert Liu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: what exactly is overlapping...
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:53:03 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

The overlap rules are based on parts of the body that are in contact
with the floor.

So, the leftmost body part that's in contact with the floor of the left
player must be to the left of the leftmost body part that's in contact
with the floor of the middle player.  And, the rightmost body part
that's in contact with the floor of the left player must to be to the
left of the rightmost body part of the middle player.

In article <BxKLyw.I24@news.cso.uiuc.edu> schneid@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Schneider) writes:
>Recently I've been wondering exactly what the rule on overlapping
>your teammates is.  Suppose I'm an outside hitter in position
>middle-front (MF) and the middle hitter is in left-front (LF).
>Then I want to trade places with him as soon as the ball is served
>(let's say by my team).  I realize that I can't be left of him
>before the ball is served.  But what does that mean exactly?
>This diagram might (hah!) help:
>
>- - - - - - - - - - - - - NET
>
>      him me
>
>Here we are with space between us.

Obviously okay.

>- - - - - - - - - -  NET
>
>      him
>	me
>
>Here we are with no space between us, but I am not on his left.

Depends on whether the rightmost part of you in contact with the
floor is to the right of the rightmost part of him that's in contact
with the floor.

>- - - - - - - - - - - NET
>
>      him
>     me
>
>Here we are with me slightly on his left, yet not completely
>overlapped (no space between us).  W

Overlapped.

>When I say no space between us, I mean left-right.
>
>Obviously the first would be legal, but one wants to be in the 
>best possible position.  Can someone explain this?

Question that I don't know the answer to is:  At what point does the
overlapping rules ceased to be applied?  When the server releases the
ball to serve, or when the server contacts the ball on service?

I keep meaning to look this up, but I keep forgetting to.  Seems to be
enforced generally up to the point the ball is released for serve.
--
Albert Liu
liu@cerl.uiuc.edu
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From: MULLEN@scorpion.ag.uiuc.edu (Evil Twin)
Subject: Re: Looking for National Team Member
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20
Organization: Tony's Most Excellent NewsReader
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 20:32:10 GMT

In <1de3ntINN2tm@morrow.stanford.edu> oski@w6yx.Stanford.EDU writes:

> In article <1992Nov5.014652.6127@ast.saic.com> dan@quebec (Dan Hanan) writes:
> 
> <-- details of Team USA strength/cardio training deleted -->
> 
> A followup question:
> 
> You mentioned 4 hour intense practices.  What goes on during practice?
> Are there two teams or groups which always play each other?  Do you
> play only regular matches  or is one team forced to overcome a
> handicap etc.?
> 

Dan -

Let's not have us mince any words.  Just give a total breakdown on everything
you do every day of the next four years!  We want to know all the good
volleyball-related stuff, in addition to the dirt, er, I mean insider stuff of
who's pissed off at who for whatever reasons.

Tony -




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From: van@wucs1.wustl.edu (Van K. Vo)
Subject: Re: First experience of no limit 5th set
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:29:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.140024.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca> comptec91046@camins.camosun.bc.ca writes:

>>    What's the highest final set score yet been seen out there?
>> Gareth
>
>I was under the impression that after a certain score the game turned to
>whoever got there first...ie whoever gets to 18 first is the winner.  This
>ignores the rule win by two points...At least that's how it's been played in
>other games that I've participated in.  Is this not true elsewhere?
>
>
>					Chris Mullin
>					Victoria, B.C., Canada
>

First, I was under the impression that Gareth was discussing just the fifth
set under the new capless deciding game rules.  Having seen only Wash U
matches under the new rules, there just haven't been any fifth games.  I
did go see a Japan/USA match and it did go to 17-15 in the fifth, but
that isn't too special (fun to watch though).

To Chris, there is a new rule introduced as of this season for NAGWS/NCAA
and FIVA putting no cap to the deciding game.  This seems reasonable for
the deciding game.  I would hope USVBA also made this rule change, but
someone posted on the net that there were no changes for the '92-'93
season.  I hope they're wrong.

Van Vo
Washington Univ. VBC
Home of the Defending NCAA Div III National Champs!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: van@wucs1.wustl.edu (Van K. Vo)
Subject: Re: Div III Tournament bracket
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:45:20 GMT

In article <1dmh76INN16v@morgause.cs.purdue.edu> gritter@cs.purdue.edu (Carl R. Gritter) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov9.182837.21063@wuecl.wustl.edu>, pjs1@cec2.wustl.edu (Philip John Schielke) writes:
>
>|> 	       Calvin*--------+			|	|
>|>                		      |			|	|
>|> Muskingum--------+	      +-----+		|	|
>|> 	         +------------+     |		|  	|
>|> Baldwin-Wallace--+		    |		|	|
>|> 				    +-----------+	|
>
>Thanks for the pairings!  Do you know when/where these games will be played?
>
>Carl Gritter (gritter@cs.purdue.edu)
>-- 
>
>

The starred (*) schools are the host sites.  The matches will start
Thursday for the first round at 6:00 and 8:30.  Second round matches
will be played Friday at 6:00 and 8:30.  The regional championships
will be played Saturday at 7:00.  There will be no consolation matches.
Hey Phil, why don't you put parentheses around the host sites.

For convenience, the host sites are UWisconsin-Platteville, Calvin College,
LaVerne(Calif.), and SUNY(State U. of New York)-Stony Brook.

Van Vo
Washington University VBC
Home of the Bears!  36-0!

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