From: macman@bernina.ethz.ch (Danny Schwendener)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.scouting,rec.backcountry,misc.kids
Subject: RESULT: rec.scouting reorganization fails
Followup-To: news.groups
Date: 6 Jan 1993 19:36:06 -0500
Organization: Peppermint Software Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

At the end of the voting period (19 Dec 1992, 23:59 MET), I have received
vote ballots from 246 accounts in response to the CFV. I had to eliminate
eight invalid submissions (detailed explanations at the end of this posting).

rec.scouting.activities failed for two voices. It got the required 2/3
majority, but only 98 more 'yes' than 'no' votes. The other two proposals
clearly failed. The participation in the vote has been relatively low.

The consequence of this vote is that rec.scouting will continue to
exist with the current charter and name. It will remain a place of choice
for scouts, scouters and other interested parties, where they can
exchange experiences, skits, songs, or activity ideas, discuss how 
scouting should evolve in the future, and get in touch with other scout
groups outside of their area or country.

Thanks to all of you who have expressed their opinion on the reorganization.

-- Danny Schwendener         macman@bernina.ethz.ch
   Wolfsmeute Nidau/Glockenhof, Sihlstr. 33, CH-8001 Zurich, Switzerland
   m.h.c. Troop 14, San Francisco            

The Results in Brief:
--------------------

Newsgroup                  YES       NO    %YES(1)   YES-NO   Result(2)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
rec.scouting.activities    167       69    70.76       98     fails
rec.scouting.policy        157       78    66.81       79     fails
rec.scouting -> r.s.misc   140       88    61.40       52     fails

(1) Calculated using the standard formula YES/(YES+NO)
(2) The Usenet vote regulations require a 2/3 'yes' majority
and at least 100 more 'yes' than 'no' votes.

If I don't receive any major objections within five days following 
the apparition of this message in news.announce.newgroups, the above 
vote results will be final.

The Details:
-----------

   NewsGroup: rec.scouting.activities
Total  Votes: 246
Total  Valid: 236	(without abstains and eliminated votes)
Yes    Votes: 167	(70.76%)
No     Votes: 69	(29.24%)
Yes-No Votes: 98

   NewsGroup: rec.scouting.policy
Total  Votes: 246
Total  Valid: 235	(without abstains and eliminated votes)
Yes    Votes: 157	(66.81%)
No     Votes: 78	(33.19%)
Yes-No Votes: 79

   NewsGroup: rec.scouting.misc
Total  Votes: 246
Total  Valid: 228	(without abstains and eliminated votes)
Yes    Votes: 140	(61.40%)
No     Votes: 88	(38.60%)
Yes-No Votes: 52

The Vote List:
-------------

Vote Key - Number refers to column:
	A: rec.scouting.activities
	P: rec.scouting.policy
	M: rec.scouting.misc

-VOTE COLUMN-
APM
===
YYY		" (Solipsist at Large)" <IK20001@MAINE.bitnet>
YYY		"Allen L. Spruill" <ASPRUIL1@ua1vm.ua.edu>
NNN		"Anette Rothberg, KTF, ]bo Akademi" <AROTHBERG@finabo.abo.fi>
YYY		"Bob (R.J.) Cano" <rcano@bnr.ca> 
NNA		"Eric J. Olson" <ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu>
YYY		"John Wanless"  <JOHNW@psychnet.psychol.utas.edu.au>
NNN		"LCDR Michael E. Dobson" <rdc30@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil>
YYY		"Randolph J. Finder" <NARAHT@DRYCAS.bitnet>
NNN		"Settummanque, the blackeagle (502)782-7992" <waltoml@WKUVX1.bitnet>
YYY		"Stephen J. Padbury" <pads@ravel.udel.edu>
YYY		"Steve Steiner" <slice@seswho.chi.il.us>
YYY		"Thomas W. Strong, Jr." <strong+@cmu.edu>
YYY		"W. Liefting" <wlieftin@cs.vu.nl>
NNN		<JML12@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
YYY		<aultj@rpi.edu>
YYN		<cs911275@ariel.yorku.ca>
YYY		Alain Hofer <hofer@iam.unibe.ch>
YYY		Anders Riis <riis@iesd.auc.dk>
NNN		Arne Henrik Juul <arnej@kari.fm.unit.no>
YYN		B. Berger <BERGER@CZHETH5A.bitnet>
YYY		B.J.  20-Nov-1992 1004 <herbison@erlang.enet.dec.com>
NNN		Bill Marshall <marshall@cs.iastate.edu>
YYY		Bjorn.B.Larsen@delab.sintef.no
YAA		Bruno_Vernier@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruno Vernier)
YYA		Calle <CMOHN@finabo.abo.fi>
NNN		Charles Shub <cdash@moet.cs.colorado.edu>
NNN		Chris Marble <CMARBLE@HMCVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU>
YYA		Colin Bell <crb11@cus.cam.ac.uk>
YAA		Dag Espolin Johnson <dagjo@ifi.uio.no>
YYA		Daniel Kropveld <KROPVELD@AMC.UVA.NL>
YYY		Danny Schwendener <macman@bernina.ethz.ch>
YYA		Darin McGrew <mcgrew@Eng.Sun.COM>
NNN		Dave <cmh004@cck.coventry.ac.uk>
NNN		David Aston <dyaeb@EBNEXTK.SLAC.Stanford.EDU>
YYY		David Baumgart <fe90@umd5.umd.edu>
NNN		Dominick V. Zurlo <anthropo@carina.unm.edu>
YYN		Dwight Tovey <dwight@devnet.la.locus.com>
YYY		Eric Davis <ericd@synoptics.com>
YYY		Ethan Evan Prater <prater@YALE.EDU>
NNN		FOGARTY@SIR-C.JPL.NASA.GOV (Tim Fogarty)
YYY		Grant David Gardner <ggardner@syd.dms.csiro.au>
NNN		HOLMAN_JIM/OMGATE_OA@gate.us.ohio-state.edu
YYN		Jason Stewart <jstewart@cisco.com>
YYY		Jay Maynard <jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu>
YYY		Jayne Ashworth <jpa@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU>
NNN		John McCollum <jmcc@buggs.Mtc.ti.com>
YYY		Juha Saarela <jms@stekt.oulu.fi>
YYY		Jun Takei#JH1QBK# <takei@dielli.taiyo.cas.uec.ac.jp>
YYY		KELL@LARK.JSC.NASA.GOV
YYY		Kalle A. Lindell <kalle@vipunen.hut.fi>
YYY		Kevin Meehan <fe170@umd5.umd.edu>
YYY		Knud Mikael Nyvang Knudsen <kmnk@daimi.aau.dk>
YNN		MIKECAREATTI@delphi.com
NNN		Marc Moorcroft <smarry@zooid.guild.org>
YYN		Mark Turner <mturner@henson.cc.wwu.edu>
YYY		Markus Julen <julen@inf.ethz.ch>
YYY		Michael Quinn <MJQUINN@PUCC.bitnet>
YYY		Michael Qvortrup <qvortrup@inf.ethz.ch>
YNN		Mikko L{{peri <Mikko.Laaperi@lut.fi>
YYY		NRNOBLE@MIAMIU.bitnet
YYY		Nobody <fe20@umd5.umd.edu>
YYY		OSLER@AC.DAL.CA
YYY		Otis Kenny <otis@opal.idbsu.edu>
YYY		P. Phillips <phillips@peaches.ph.utexas.edu>
YYY		Paul Gerwitz <gerwitz@Kodak.COM>
YYY		Paul Parry <PAULP@BROWNVM.bitnet>
YYY		Pekka Asikainen <peeaa@vipunen.hut.fi>
YYY		Peter_Van_Houten@simulacrum.wv.tek.com (Peter Van Houten)
YYY		Petri Patronen <pmp@stekt.oulu.fi>
NNN		R1SCM@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Dr. Steven C. Myers)
YYN		Rain Man <MICS_MGR@EZINFO.vmsmail.ethz.ch>
YYY		Raymond Suke Flournoy <flournoy@cs.stanford.edu>
YYY		Reto Boxler <SEKRETARIAT%CZHETH5A.BITNET@CEARN.BITNET>
NNN		Rick Ellis <rick@ofa123.fidonet.org>
YYN		Robin Hood <kckbxr@wam.umd.edu>
YYY		Roger=Tipley%Strat=Tech%PCPD=Hou@bangate.compaq.com
YYY		STOLZ@fnusg.fnal.gov (Mike Stolz - ext. 8060 - ms. 120 - Gone fishin` ...)
YYN		Sandeep Singhal <singhal@CS.Stanford.EDU>
YYY		Shawn Scoles <scoles@eng.umd.edu>
YYY		Stefan Waborg <stewa@etek.chalmers.se>
YYY		Stefan van der Meer <cvitoa!vdmeer@chsun.chuug.ch>
YYY		Steve Cliffe <steve@cs.uow.edu.au>
NNN		Steve Davies <srd@peora.sdc.ccur.com>
YYY		TATE@FAXCSL.DCRT.NIH.GOV (Ramon Tate)
YYY		Ted Wagner <trwagner@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
YYY		The Wizzard <wizzard@wam.umd.edu>
YYY		Timo Kiravuo <kiravuo@lesti.hut.fi>
YYY		Tom <tkoelman@cs.vu.nl>
YYY		Tom Limoncelli <tom_limoncelli@Warren.MENTORG.COM>
YYY		Wayne Porter <porterw@crab.c4west.eds.com>
YYY		William Hobson <wjh0265@tamsun.tamu.edu>
NNN		William Mayne <mayne@sync.cs.fsu.edu>
YYY		William van der Vliet <WILLIAM@otago.ac.nz>
NNN		Wolfgang Zenker <wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org>
NNN		York Davis <davisy@CS.ColoState.EDU>
YYY		Zoe Paddy Johnson CIRT CSOS <pjohnso@polaris.unm.edu>
YYY		ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf)
YYY		ae110@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Frank Bates)
YYY		afc@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Greg Flint)
YYY		ah595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric J. Hess)
YYY		ahallam@iastate.edu
YYY		allan@sunk.hc.ti.com (Allan Poindexter)
YYY		andy@homebase.vistachrome.com
YYY		arneberg@idt.unit.no
NNN		arromdee@blaze.cs.jhu.edu
ANN		baard_l@gribb.hsr.no (Lind, B\rd             7-94)
NNN		bac <crittend@cs.unc.edu>
YNY		bailey@hagar.ph.utexas.edu (Ed Bailey)
NNN		baldwin@csservera.usna.navy.mil (J.D. Baldwin)
YNN		balz@umassmed.UMMED.EDU (Guy David Balzano)
YYY		bass@ranger.b11.ingr.com (Ronnie Grimes)
NYN		bcockburn@acorn.co.uk (Bruce Cockburn)
YYY		bethmo@microsoft.COM
YYY		bgoodway@wv.MENTORG.COM (Bill Goodway)
YYY		bgu@stud.hsn.no
YYY		bk233@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jack W. Weinmann)
YYY		bmadsen@dsd.es.com (Bruce Madsen)
NNN		brian@audiofax.com (Brian TroxeLL)
YYY		burgess@hrd769.brooks.af.mil (Dave Burgess)
YYY		bytebug@dhw68k.cts.com (Roger L. Long)
NNN		carr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Dave Carr)
YYY		cdavies@su19a.ess.harris.com (Charlie Davies)
NNN		cdr@kpc.com (Carl Rigney)
YNN		cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
NNN		choffman@mv.us.adobe.com (Charles Hoffman)
NNN		cld@wucs1.wustl.edu (Christopher L. Davis)
NNN		cls6@midway.uchicago.edu (Cory L. Scott)
NYY		coleman@CS.UCLA.EDU (Mike Coleman)
YYN		cschneid@nautilus.er.usgs.gov
YYY		cupak@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com (John J Cupak Jr CCP)
NNN		cwebster@mailbox.syr.edu (Chris Webster)
YYY		dennett@Kodak.COM (Charles R. Dennett)
NNN		dkirsche@ems.cdc.com (Dan Kirschen)
NNN		drich@sandman.lerc.nasa.gov (Daniel Rich)
YYY		dsproull@charly.taclog.af.mil (LTC Daniel P Sproull;HQ ACC/LGSEC;574-3093)
YNN		dvarela@araucaria.cec.uchile.cl (VARELA LOPEZ DANIEL EDUARDO)
YYY		easmith@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Eric A Smith)
YYA		edelheit@smiley.mitre.org (Jeff Edelheit)
NNN		edmonds@mprgate.mpr.ca (Adam Edmonds)
YYY		edsr!jem@uunet.UU.NET (John E. Mendenhall)
NNN		emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire)
YYY		ernar@dit.upm.es (Jorge F. Delgado Mendoza)
YYY		esther@verdix.com
YYY		fitch@lamar.ColoState.EDU (President- Russian and East Central European Studies Program)
YYN		ford@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Harry Ford)
YYY		foxx@foxxjac.b17a.ingr.com ("AJ")
YYY		garyr@cs.tamu.edu (Gary R Ratterree)
NNN		ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US (Gregory G. Woodbury)
NNN		gl1@cec1.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon)
YYY		glenski@lotus.cray.com (Joe Glenski)
YYY		gregm@wpi.WPI.EDU (Gregory M Marr)
YYY		gsapile@leland.stanford.edu
YYY		gt4216a@prism.gatech.edu (Evert,Erik R.)
YYY		heiby@chg.mcd.mot.com (Ron Heiby)
NNN		hilding@catfish.ocpt.ccur.com
YYN		hung@octelb.octel.com (Hung Le)
NNN		hunter@master.lds-az.loral.com (Bill Hunter)
NNA		hurtta@cc.helsinki.fi (Kari Hurtta)
YYY		ilmari@zombie.oulu.fi (Matti Keravuo)
YYY		jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
NNN		jce@ocean.geol.scarolina.edu (Chris Evans 803 777-6949)
YNN		jduncan@jupiter.nmt.edu (John Duncan)
NNN		jeff@neon.rain.com (Jeff Beadles)
YYY		jek@cbcosmos.att.com
YYY		jemorti%galaxy@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Jack Mortimer - K31)
YYY		jgt10@uts.amdahl.com (John G. Thompson)
NNN		jkusters@nike.calpoly.edu (Chrome Jester)
YNN		joan@remtech.remtech.com (Joan Skoglund)
YYN		john.mckeon@Edm.Arco.COM (John B. McKeon)
YYY		johncha@comm.mot.com (John Chapman)
YYY		johnf@apollo.hp.com
NNN		juan@hal.com (John Thompson Reynolds)
YYY		juanra@dit.upm.es (Juan Ramon Velasco Perez)
YYY		juha@skynet.oulu.fi (Juha Pirttila)
YYY		ka3uzr!daveh@uunet.UU.NET (Dave Hultberg)
NNN		kmeyer@aero.org
NNN		marcia@netcom.com (Marcia)
NNN		markr@monty.rand.org (Mark Richardson)
YYY		matwood@labhp16.cs.utah.edu (Mark Atwood)
YYY		mblanchard@ttsi.lonestar.org (Mike Blanchard)
YYY		meolku@uta.fi (Olli Kutvonen)
YYY		meyer@iastate.edu
NNN		mhpower@stan.mit.edu
YYY		mikey@slic.cts.com
YYY		mitchell@linus.mitre.org
YYN		mks@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Mark Sanders)
NNN		mmt@RedBrick.COM (Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS)
YYY		monts@excelsior.Eng.Sun.COM (Mike Monts)
YYY		mpg92118@oasis.dit.upm.es (ANDRES CANCER ABREU)
YYY		mrehberg@mailbox.syr.edu (Michael 'Fritz' Rehberg)
NNN		mrmike@michelotti.ae.ge.com ("Mr. Mike" Passaretti)
NNN		n2814@ted.cray.com (Jim Stillson)
YYY		nadja@weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
YYY		nelson@ait.Kodak.COM (Bruce D. Nelson)
YNY		oakes@maize.rtsg.mot.com (Ronald Oakes)
NNN		owens@cookiemonster.cc.buffalo.edu (Bill Owens)
YYY		peterson@dg-rtp.dg.com (Kevin Peterson)
NNN		philipla@microsoft.COM
AYA		phill@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Phill Solomon)
YYY		pjf@philabs.Philips.Com (Philip J. Fairbanks)
YNY		pkteagarden@bobcat.lmc.edu
NNN		plutchak@porter.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
YYY		pnsf01dw@umassd.edu
NNN		pseudo!mjn@chsun.chuug.ch (Murray Nesbitt)
YYY		pshuang@Athena.MIT.EDU
YYY		reid@research.att.com
YYY		remtech!joan@uunet.UU.NET (Joan Skoglund)
YYY		rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com (Bob Haar)
YYY		rich@troll1.msfc.nasa.gov (Rich Krum)
NNN		rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
YYY		rickcl@pogo.wv.tek.com (Rick Clements)
NNN		rjohnson@vax.csun.edu (Richard Johnson)
YYY		rlosee@unlinfo.unl.edu (Robert Losee)
NNN		robinson_m@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
YYY		roder@cco.caltech.edu (Brenda J. Roder)
YYN		rpe@cc.bellcore.com (Ric Perez)
NNN		rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
YYY		rsnyder@ASTRO.GE.COM (Bob Snyder)
YYY		rweisbe%starfleet@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Bob Weisbeck)
YYY		sadowsky@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (John Sadowsky x6211)
YYY		scott@petros.b17a.ingr.com (Scott Stevens)
YYY		shimeall@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (timothy shimeall)
NNN		smk@usl.com
NNN		spm2d@ash.cs.Virginia.EDU
YYY		ss@panix.com (Steve Steinberg)
YAY		stensta@idt.unit.no
NNN		strom@watson.ibm.com (Rob Strom)
NNN		swirsky@mv.us.adobe.com (Robert Swirsky)
NNN		tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
YYY		tbjorkho@ra.abo.fi (Tom Bj|rkholm AT)
YYY		tel92016@oasis.dit.upm.es (ENRIQUE GARRIDO RAMOS)
NNN		thl@ixhawk.att.com
NNN		tinsel@uiuc.edu (Thomas Aaron Insel)
YYY		vaps0sa@prism.gatech.edu
YYY		vogon1!compnect!frackit!dave@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Dave Ratcliffe)
YYY		willcox@urbana.mcd.mot.com
YYY		wjturner@iastate.edu
YYY		zambrano@dit.upm.es (Jose Manuel Martinez Zambrano)

Invalid Votes:
--------------
The following votes were eliminated, either because they came from 
daemon accounts, or because I have already received a ballot from 
the same person through a different mail path or account, or because
the vote ballot didn't conform to the format prescribed in the CFV
(I haven't received your update, Sverker).

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