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From: abel@vax.sonoma.edu
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: CB Tips
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:43:27 GMT
Organization: Sonoma State University

In article <j615585@pro-haven.cts.com>, phantom@pro-haven.cts.com (Tiffany Keller) writes:
> % PS. Which are you?  T. Keller or Tiffany Bloxom?
> 
> 
> 
>         You must not read this newsgroup on a regular basis.....I've already
> said this once.....
> 
>         I DID GET MARRIED RECENTLY.....MY LAST NAME IS NOW KELLER.
>         
>         Although this really isn't any of Ya'lls business, I thought I would
> clarify it anyway.....
>         Refer to a previous post.....I've already stated this once.
> 
>         T. Keller
> 
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> Internet:  phantom@pro-haven.cts.com      Tiffany Bloxom
> UUCP:      crash!pro-haven!phantom

Not *THE* Keller?  Also known as TK?  No, couldn't be!  Would explain 
the flames, though.  Never known anybody else with such a gift of gab 
(including flames).
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: rec.radio.cb Frequently Asked Questions (Part 4 of 4)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 08:44:01 GMT

myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers) writes:
: > A side effect of this modulation process is present on some of the closest
: > frequencies adjacent to the carrier, above and below it.  These are called
: > sidebands.  Normal AM transmissions include the modulated carrier and the
: > upper and lower sidebands.
: 
: 
: Hmmm...I don't know why this never struck me before, but the above explanation
: of an AM signal is incorrect.  The transmitted signal does consist of a
: carrier plus sidebands above and below; however, the amplitude of the signal
: component at the carrier frequency is *constant*.  This seems to be
: counter-intuitive to most folks, but the 'scope trace everyone thinks of
: as "AM" - a carrier-frequency signal whose amplitude is wiggling up and
: down - includes ALL of these components, carrier and sidebands, at once.

Correct. The carrier contains about 50% of the power transmitted.

: In other words, the component at the carrier frequency carriers NO information;
: it's all in the sidebands.  You could eliminate the carrier completely and
: still recover the transmitted voice (or whatever); if you eliminate the
: sidebands, though, there's nothing left - just carrier.  (Simply eliminating
: the sideband is exactly equivalent to double-sideband suppressed-carrier
: modulation, or DSBSC.  This is the first step in one way of making SSBSC,
: single-sideband suppressed-carrier, which is what is almost always meant
: by "SSB.")

That should be - "simply eliminating the carrier".

: The sidebands aren't a "side effect" of amplitude modulation, they're the
: most important result of it!

Yep. Without the sidebands, you have a continuous wave signal.

Bill
From: phantom@pro-haven.cts.com (Tiffany Keller)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: RE: CB TIPS
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:59:26 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/693-8262, 9600-300



In <1992Oct05.145246.2876336@locus.com> dana@locus.com (Dana H. Myers) writes:

% Yikes, they get married younger all the time! Or, maybe I'm being a Moron
% to assume Tiffany is twelve years old based on the teenaged flames she
% generates....

        Look idiot, I am plenty old enough to be married and I don't need your
stupid remarks.....Just because you are for stuff that I happen to be against
(such as linears on 11m.....) doesn't mean that I am acting immature.
        Btw.....yes, you do seem to act like a "moron"....(hey, you brought
that one on yourself.....)

        T. Keller

% 
% Now, Tiffany, you don't need to go non-linear on account of this flame...
% 
% Dana
% 
% -- 
%  * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ 		| Views expressed here are	*
%  * (310) 337-5136 		| mine and do not necessarily	*
%  * dana@locus.com  DoD #466 	| reflect those of my employer	*
%  * "Dammit Bones, spare me the lecture and give me the shot!"   *

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From: cobra@jab.tucson.az.us (Cobra)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Cable CB
Date: 4 Oct 92 21:51:21 GMT
Organization: Just Another Bbs. Tucson, AZ

Wow...thanks Pontus for bringing that one out here...that's interesting that 
you'd be able to have a reasonable match to NOT fry a few items and still be 
able to actually TX/RX through the system.
 
My cable system is NOT bidirectional; thus I'd never be able to recreate 
this (not that I'd want to...)


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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: CB Tips
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:25:55 GMT

phantom@pro-haven.cts.com (Tiffany Keller) writes:
: Hey.....
:         
:         If it is that bad of a problem, why don't you get *your* RDF gear
: out and confiscate the idiots equipment for them???  You could then turn it
: into the FCC and if you get any more problems, go find the people again....
:         If the FCC isn't going to do their job, then I guess we all have to
: do it for them, eh?
:         I welcome and invite any comments from an FCC authority figure on
: this subject.....
:         
:         T. Keller

Let me get this straight. You are proposing breaking and entering, as well
as theft, to solve the problem.

I seriously doubt that the police will smile on your vigilante tactics.

You have no right to break the law, serious ones at that, just because the
government is not enforcing other laws. 

Write to your congressmen, talk to the newspaper - anything is better than
becoming a common thug.

Bill

: 
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: Internet:  phantom@pro-haven.cts.com      Tiffany Bloxom
: UUCP:      crash!pro-haven!phantom
From: cobra@jab.tucson.az.us (Cobra)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: CB Tips
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 21:44:58 PDT
Organization: Just Another Bbs. Tucson, AZ

ehare@arrl.org (Ed Hare - KA1CV) writes:

> involvement if you are willing to provide them with evidence and testimony
> that they could use in court. It is no different than working with your
> local police department -- they will expend precious resouces where they
> think it will do the most good.

 
Gee, I hate to be the one to burst your bubble...but it ain't so!  Several 
years ago, I had a neighbor who ran a 10m radio on 11m.  He had a nice, 
small beam set up; plenty of RF out the antenna; thus, he was WELL heard in 
surrounding pieces of equipment of various types.
 
So, as I was also running a station, I contacted the FCC, with dates and 
times he was conversing with another neighbor out-of-band (27.415, to be 
exact...many CB to out-band conversions can't hit this particular frequency 
easily), so I logged times and dates, and sent them to Uncle Charlie.  Well, 
 he sends me a form letter, wanting name, address, descriptions of vehicles 
and license plates, etc.  After getting this information, and giving the 
info. to my neighbors who were also having problems...
 
To make a long story short; six months later, he was still doing it.  When 
he moved back to the same mobile home park 1.5 years later (and just  50m 
from my house!), we did it again...nothing.
 
DOesn't seem like enforcement to me...


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From: cobra@jab.tucson.az.us (Cobra)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: Linear Amps..
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 22:08:33 PDT
Organization: Just Another Bbs. Tucson, AZ

johnr@mik.uky.edu (John S. Roberts, Jr.) writes:
> => 75 lines of mindless drivel removed for bandwidth constraints...
> 
> Why don't you quit arguing about it al him how to do it.  If you want
> to talk about policy then start snother thread.
> 
> John
> 

 
Seems that Bryan Doyle was *debating* the topic, not arguing 'bout it...
 


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From: phantom@pro-haven.cts.com (Tiffany Keller)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: Linear Amps..
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:34:52 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/693-8262, 9600-300

In <pschleck.718030866@cwis>
pschleck@cwis.unomaha.edu (Paul W Schleck KD3FU) writes:

% derek@abyss.sceard.com (Derek J. Lambert) writes:
% 
% 
% >	I was wondering if anyone out there had any schematics for
% >a linear amp. I know this subject is illegal, but I have an old 
% >3 watt handheld, and am trying to bring it up to the allowed 5 watts.
% >I also wanted to see if one could be modified to work with a portable
% >phone. Please reply by email if you can, as I am not a regualr reader
% >to this group. Thanks.
% 
% Well, then you run into the other main restriction on the Citizen's
% Radio Service, the fact that all equipment must be type-accepted and used
% as-is.  If you modify the amplifier stage of a design, you must submit a
% sample copy to the FCC for type-acceptance approval.  Naturally, this is
% impractical to do for anyone but a commercial manuafacturer of CB
% equipment.


        But seeing as Mr. Paul here is a Liberal type person that would just
as soon see linears Everywhere on 11 meters, I'm sure he can provide you with
the proper schematic, Right Paul?  
        (Reference Previous message.....)

        T. Keller
% 
% Paul
% 

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Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
From: jbs@rti.rti.org
Subject: Re: CB Tips
Keywords: HINTS TIPS PROTOCOL
Organization: Joe's Bar and Grill
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 14:21:44 GMT

In article <randall.717470372@woof> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:
>
>A linear is also a great way to cause TVI (TV interference).
>
>Your neighbors will call the FCC, and you just might get a visit.
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

My sides are still aching. This was a good one!


  -joe
From: myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:16:05 GMT
Subject: Re: rec.radio.cb Frequently Asked Questions (Part 4 of 4)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb

> sidebands, though, there's nothing left - just carrier.  (Simply eliminating
> the sideband is exactly equivalent to double-sideband suppressed-carrier
      ^^^^^^^^
> modulation, or DSBSC.  This is the first step in one way of making SSBSC,
> single-sideband suppressed-carrier, which is what is almost always meant
> by "SSB.")

Please replace "sideband" with "carrier" in the above.  Damn.


Bob Myers  KC0EW   Hewlett-Packard Co.      |Opinions expressed here are not
                   User Interface Tech. Div.|those of my employer or any other
myers@fc.hp.com    Fort Collins, Colorado   |sentient life-form on this planet.
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: CB over the cable TV system ? ! (don't do it)
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:48:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: ke4zv.1992Oct5.124856.10395
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <1992Oct4.163412.14217@cbfsb.cb.att.com> wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.f.casey) writes:
>Just found this on packet. It refers to people xmitting CB over
>the cable TV system.
>
>I don't know anything about the cable TV, but this strikes me as pretty
>suspicious. Bidirectional amplifiers?? 11m HF into all TVs on the block and
>nobody complaining to the cable company within microseconds? Hmmmmmm...

Quite a few cable systems are now bidirectional. They use the return
path, usually the frequencies below channel 2, for various purposes
such as remote utility meter reading, burglar alarm monitoring, and
in conjunction with smart cable boxes, automatic pay per view billing.
Note that the entire spectrum is not bidirectional. The normal cable
channels are unidirectional from the headend to the users, and the
return channels are unidirectional from the users back to the head
end. Due to the distributed nature of the amplifiers, and the common
trunks they share, many subscribers can receive the return signals
from other users, but not all of them. It depends on the consumer's
tap position on the trunk relative to the source.

As far as the issue of damage to cable company equipment, remember
that a subscriber drop is a 30 db tap. That means that any power
you try to introduce into the cable is going to be attenuated by
30 db, or a factor of 1,000. So your 4 watt CB winds up putting
4 milliwatts on the trunk. That's still illegal trespass on their
network, sort of like blue boxing the telco, but it's unlikely
to damage equipment. You shouldn't do this because you'll likely
screw up their services and they'll come looking for you, but
it will work on many bidirectional systems.

Gary KE4ZV
From: john.denison@yob.sccsi.com (John Denison) 
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: RE: CB TIPS
Date: 3 Oct 92 13:09:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569
Reply-To: john.denison@yob.sccsi.com (John Denison) 

-> I will not let a bunch of morons try to intimidate me from posting
-> here.....This just proves that for the most part, you all are very
-> immature.

I don't see anyone else using another name just to get back on the nets.
->       T. Keller
-> %
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-> Internet:  phantom@pro-haven.cts.com      Tiffany Bloxom

Did you get married or did you forget your last name?
From: yee@mipgsun.mipg.upenn.edu (Conway Yee)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: CB Tips
Keywords: HINTS TIPS PROTOCOL
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:36:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:
>A linear is also a great way to cause TVI (TV interference).
>Your neighbors will call the FCC, and you just might get a visit.


jbs@rti.rti.org writes:
>My sides are still aching. This was a good one!

Why?  According to rec.radio.amateur.misc and recent issues of QST,
the FCC has started a crackdown now that they have the power to shell
out large fines (multiple thousand dollars).



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Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: CB Tips
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 08:34:49 GMT

petesk@microsoft.com (Pete Skelly) writes:
: 
: Ummm, could you point out where "breaking and entering" was proposed.  I
: keep on re-reading the post, but can't seem to find it.  All I see is
: RDF in the folk causing the problems, and then confiscating their gear.
: You can do that within the law, you know.  Frankly, though, just RDFing

You can? How. Sounds like theft of private property. A policeman may be
able to confiscate the equipment - a private citizen certainly cannot.
Nor can you legally disable the equipment. That is called destruction
of private property.

: them is enough.  If they know that you know where they live, then they
: are less likely to make jerks of themselves.  It's not against the law
: to park, so why don't you get a bunch of your buddies with large trucks,
: and park in front of their house sometime.  Just sit there.  

Might work. It is also call harrasment or intimidation. You just might
find the police telling you to move on.

: > You have no right to break the law, serious ones at that, just because the
: > government is not enforcing other laws. 
: What laws were proposed to be broken?

I listed them. Such things as destruction/theft of private property.

: > Write to your congressmen, talk to the newspaper - anything is better than
: > becoming a common thug.
: Yeah, Right, Like these would work.  (okay, maybe I'm a bit cynical).

I agree that it would do little except allow you to relieve some of your
frustrations. However, breaking the law to stop someone else from breaking
the law does not make your action right.

: it's really too bad that CB isn't like the net.  All Tiffany did was post
: something that could be carried out in an illegal way, and all of a sudden
: there were a number of net-police trying to put an end to this kind
: of though.  Why can't we do that on CB?

No, Tiffany seemed to think that such things could be done legally. Apparently,
you do also. I suggest you talk to your lawyer first.

The thoughts are fine. There are a couple of idiots in this town that I would
like to shut down that way. However, I realize that it could get me into very
serious trouble.

Bill
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
From: bernardo@erevax.bitnet (Marcelino Bernardo)
Subject: Re: SOME MORE CB QUESTIONS
Followup-To: rec.radio.cb
Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering, Co.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:09:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.140445.21836@ke4zv.uucp>, gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary
Coffman) wrote:

> connector. Each S unit below S9 represents a *halving* of the
> signal strength at the antenna. Note that since these are *voltage*
> dBs and not *power* dBs, it takes 6 to represent a halving of the
> signal. 
> 
> dBV=20*log(V1/V2) and dBP=10*log(P1/P2)
> 

6 dB always means halving of the signal strength in voltage. Note that the
2 equations you wrote down for dBV and dBP (I'm not sure if there really is
a dBP) are actually equal since P =V^2/R.

   dBP=10*log(V1)^2/(V1)^2 = 20*log(V1/V2) = dBV.

Marcelino
bernardo@erevax.bitnet
(internet address under construction)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Replacing frequency synthetizer?? (its it possible)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 08:56:52 GMT

fagundes@iastate.edu (Alex Fagundes) writes:
: Hi,
:   A friend of mine has a CB that stoped working a few weeks ago.  He took
: the CB for repair and was told that the frequency synthetizer was not working; 
: and that this is not worth fixing it.  Could anyone please tell me what
: the frequency synthetizer does and if it is possible to replace??
: thanks a lot...

The frequency synthesizer is a circuit that produces many crystal controlled
frequencies without needing a transmit and receive crystal for each frequency.
Using the old discrete crystals, it would cost about $5 x 80 or $400 - just
for the crystals for a 40 channel radio.

Whether is was worthwhile to repair would depend on what was wrong with it.
It could be that one of the reference crystals is bad.

The CB shop is, more than likely, correct. The shop charge for repairing
the unit would probably be $40 or more - plus parts. You can buy a new
radio for only a little more than that. 

Bill
From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: CB Tips
Keywords: HINTS TIPS PROTOCOL
Date: 26 Sep 92 01:19:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

johnw@bluemoon.rn.com (John L. Wilkerson Jr.) writes:


>6.  Do not use RF Amplifiers    :   "Linears" used on CB are most of the 
>                                    time, cheap junk that distorts your
>                                    signal, as well as splatters many
>                                    adjacent channels.  


I couldn't agree more.  An investment in a good antenna is
better than one in a linear more times than not.  A linear will
not help you "talk skip", as 12 watts on SSB is perfectly
adequate when the band is open. 

Whatever range improvement you get will probably be diminished
by distortion is your signal from a cheap or poorly aligned
linear.

A linear is also a great way to cause TVI (TV interference).
Your neighbors will call the FCC, and you just might get a visit.


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Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
From: pschleck@cwis.unomaha.edu (Paul W Schleck KD3FU)
Subject: Re: CB Tips
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:45:09 GMT

phantom@pro-haven.cts.com (Tiffany Keller) writes:

>        No.....Not break into and enter residences.....Ask the idiot if you
>can see his equpiment  (You can't act steamed or anything because the guy
>might catch a clue, but if you just act like you're interested in his crap,
>he'll probably be more than happy to just show it all to you and boast about
>it while he does.....)  When he lets you see his equipment, just....I
>donno...Do whatever to it.....I mean...If the guy is Stupid enough to take you
>to court, all you were doing was destroying illegal contraband.....The fact is
>that it IS illegal for CB folks to use linears.....I suggest either you
>destroy it or turn it into the FCC with an address or whatever info you can
>give the FCC on the person that was using it.....(btw...Ya hafta see the guy
>transmit with it before you can confiscate/destroy it.....It's not illegal to
>Have one.....Just to Use one.....)

Ya know, it'll probably take about 1,000 Phil Karns posting to the net
to make up for the idiocy of this lid.  Take my word for it, not all
hams are like this.

Say, Tiffany, does Mommy or Daddy know that you are using their computer
account?

(Remind me not to let you on the Elmers List - 1/2 ;-).

Paul W. Schleck, KD3FU

pschleck@unomaha.edu
From: phantom@pro-haven.cts.com (Tiffany Keller)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: CB Tips
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:36:30 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/693-8262, 9600-300

Hey.....
        
        If it is that bad of a problem, why don't you get *your* RDF gear
out and confiscate the idiots equipment for them???  You could then turn it
into the FCC and if you get any more problems, go find the people again....
        If the FCC isn't going to do their job, then I guess we all have to
do it for them, eh?
        I welcome and invite any comments from an FCC authority figure on
this subject.....
        
        T. Keller

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From: wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.f.casey)
Subject: CB over the cable TV system ? ! (don't do it)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:58:42 GMT

Just read an article in rec.radio.amateur.misc with title something like
"CBers over cable TV".  Describes how some CBers in some town somewheres
are hooking up their CB sets to their cable TV feeds.  And that other
CBers doing the same in the same town can communicate withot the
interference you get over the air.  This cable system has bidirectional
amps.  

I do NOT recommend doing this, and I'm sure the cable company would be
pissed off if they ever found this going on!
This may cause TVI interference to normal subscribers, and may actually
burn out something in the cable system.  5 watts could do that.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb