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From: asrgf@wombat.newcastle.edu.au
Subject: Parts wanted for 1966 Fox 40BB restoration
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 12:52:08 GMT

 I have most of an old Fox 40BB ("Golden forty") dating from the mid 60's.
This motor was incredibly powerful in it's day and I used it in a series of
very fast open combat models. Over the years I have "lost" the piston and
liner, con rod and "wrist pin". I am interested in restoring this motor.
My question is this, are these parts likely to be still available? I understand
that Duke Fox died recently. From what I have been told he was the type of
person who would have been interested in helping achieve this restoration. Has
Fox Engines changed? Does anyone know their address or fax number? Please post
any replies.
From: jack@rml.UUCP (jack hagerty)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: FidoNet
Date: 30 Dec 92 18:37:01 GMT
Reply-To: jack@rml.UUCP (jack hagerty)
Organization: Robotic Midwives, Ltd.

In article <1369@taniwha.UUCP> paul@taniwha.UUCP (Paul Campbell) writes:
>In article <26DEC199201121721@vill.edu> 161685732@vill.edu (JOE PRYSZLAK) writes:
>>Can anyone tell me if there's a FidoNet message base that is dedicated to
>>model rocketry.  If not, would anyone be willing to help start one?
>
>Why start another ghetto - there's already Compuserve & us - can't we just
>gateway r.m.r to/from Fido and make one bigger newsgroup?


This is already being done on the soc.roots newsgroup. There is 
a FidoNet gateway to them so that all messages are cross posted 
simultaneously between the two networks. Maybe someone on that 
group (I believe it's moderated) could provide a pointer.

- Jack


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From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: Ques. @ the new CamRoc from Estes
Date: 31 Dec 1992 19:04:01 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com

In article <1992Dec31.023158.10071@uva386.schools.virginia.edu>, wayne@uva386.schools.virginia.edu (Tony Wayne) writes:
> I just got my "Holiday" issue of AmSpac and saw that Estes was
> bringing back the CamRoc.  Does anybody know if it will shoot
> on picture per flight or run through the roll?

One picture per flight, certainly.
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From: paul@taniwha.UUCP (Paul Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: FidoNet
Date: 29 Dec 92 07:57:05 GMT
Organization: Taniwha Systems Design

In article <26DEC199201121721@vill.edu> 161685732@vill.edu (JOE PRYSZLAK) writes:
>Can anyone tell me if there's a FidoNet message base that is dedicated to
>model rocketry.  If not, would anyone be willing to help start one?

Why start another ghetto - there's already Compuserve & us - can't we just
gateway r.m.r to/from Fido and make one bigger newsgroup?

	Paul

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From: CT80@music.mus.polymtl.ca (Steph)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: 8' rockets..
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:23:13 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal

In article <19921222194217.Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu> Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu  (Roger Wilfong) writes:
>In Article <1992Dec22.172713.19553@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> "billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)" says:
>> CT80@music.mus.polymtl.ca (Steph) writes:
>> :
>
[mucho stuff deleted]
>You're in Montreal.  Last time I looked Montreal was still part of Canada
>(at least it isn't part of the US) so you might look up the CAR.  The CAR
>operates a little differently from either NAR or Tripoli, and might be able
>to help you.  Unfortunately, CAR seems to be an on-again off-again operation
>largely based on the support they get from members and the government.
>The three people I can think of to point you at are all in the Toronto area.
>They are Fritz Gnass, Taras Tarataran, and Peter ???.  I know that
>Taras lives in Mississauga.  I try and find their addresses and E-mail you.
>

I have never heard of CAR.  What does it stand for?  I'll get in touch
with them anyway, you never know .. thanks!

>There is a club out in California that was featured in the Air & Space
>Smithsonian magazine about a year ago.
>
>There is an organization the a Tripoli member, Tom Blazin (sp?), was trying
>to start.  It is called 'The Black Rock Society' and is dedicated to
>'serious' (no big talkers allowed!) rocket development.  Again, I'll try and
>find the address.
>.
>.

Again, not a clue of what you are reffering to.  We (the club) seem
to be living in an island!  (which we are, but that's besides the
point)  The only other group in Canada that we know is also in
Montreal but they build wooden rockets.  Not our idea of experimental
rockets!  Thanks for any addresses you might come up with...


Steph.
Who needs a .sig?
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: 8' rockets..
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 07:25:48 GMT

Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu (Roger Wilfong) writes:
:  
: There is an organization the a Tripoli member, Tom Blazin (sp?), was trying 
: to start.  It is called 'The Black Rock Society' and is dedicated to 
: 'serious' (no big talkers allowed!) rocket development.  Again, I'll try and 
: find the address.

I forgot - the name is Tom Blazanin. He is the acting chairperson.

Bill
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: Jim Cook <J.Cook@ENS.Prime.COM>
Subject: Re: hot glue
Reply-To: <J.Cook@ENS.Prime.COM>
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:33:48 GMT

In article <610@rml.UUCP> jack@rml.UUCP (jack hagerty) writes:

>>> ...how good is hot glue at hoding balsa fins onto paper body tubes?

>This is true, but I've found hot glue handy for attaching little trim
>pieces like the toothpick "antennas" on the Black Brant. Gotta do
>them little guys after every flight :-)

I understand the problem.  After I built mine, I found the following
suggestion:
Glue a small block of balsa (.25" x .25"?) inside the body tube. Drill a hole
thru the body tube wall and into the balsa block.  Then mount your antenna in
the hole.

The are probably other varients.  You probably want to sand the balsa so it
fits the curvature of the body tube.  You might also want to use a piece of
paper clip wire instead of a toothpick for the antenna.

Good luck,
Jim
From: det@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: hot glue
Date: 31 Dec 92 21:01:06 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbootay.sw.stratus.com

In article <85995@ut-emx.uucp> miles@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Miles Abernathy) writes:
>I have only flown a small Estes rocket, the hobby store kind, but I was
>told on good authority (by a fellow who helps students put similar
>rockets together "all day long" at the school where he teaches) that you
>could use hot glue on the fins. I guess the motor burns out before the
>glue warms up.

Yes, but how many has he or his students gotten back intact, especially
after several flights.  Hot glue softens with heat, and unless it's
rather cold, it isn't particularly rigid either.  It's just a poor
choice.  White glue (Elmer's) works fine, yellow carpenter's glue
is better, superglue or epoxy are better yet.  I usually use
a medium-viscosity superglue to join the fins to the body, and
use epoxy for the fillets.  BTW, I learned this from cdt, who's
done far more model rocketry than I, and I measure my experience
in decades.  If he says a construction method doesn't work well,
I believe him!  His models don't come apart very often, and
when they do, it's generally not at the glue joints, rather the
structural materials (fin stock, body tubes, etc.) give way.

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From: barrett@add.itg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Paul Campbell: 2 stage questions
Date: 29 Dec 1992 16:34:45 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: powder.add.itg.ti.com

Paul, I don't know how to send e-mail to your uucp address (do you have
an internet address?).  I'll ask my questions using r.m.r.

I believe I talked to you at LDRS this past year.  Were you the one with
the two stage rocket using a LOC magnum as the upper stage?  I remember
talking to someone who was doing that and they had designed an external
stage coupler (rather than the normal internal coupler).  Was that you?

Anyway, I'm designing my first HPR two stager (Adept Rocketry makes it
look so easy) and I really like the idea of using an external coupler.
While it may not look as aerodynamic as an internal coupler, it has some
nice "modular" aspects since the upper stage does not need to be
designed/built to accommodate the coupler mechanism.  You should be able
to build one coupler for three fin upper stages and one for four fin
rockets; the booster could use either (screws would be used to attach
the coupler to the booster for easy swapping).

I wonder if there is a problem with air pressure buildup using an
external coupler that would tend to cause premature separation at high
volocities?

Did you put your staging electronics in the booster?  Did you use the
boosters motor ejection to pop the boosters 'chute?

I just ordered Adept's Barometric Altimeter with triggers.  I plan on
using this to control the ejection events in the upper stage.  That way
I will not have to run simulations to figure out delay times.  Put the
intelligence in the rocket, not on the ground!

If you can respond via e-mail that is fine, else use r.m.r.

BTW:  Are you planning on flying your K->K at LDRS this year?  I'm
planning to have my two stager ready by then.  A K550 to a K250 would be
a great combination!!

Stu Barrett  barrett@add.itg.ti.com
TRA#1277  NAR#4341
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: enterprise model colour
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 26 Dec 92 23:37:17 EST

Hi all.  I just got the Star Trek: The Next Generation U.S.S.
Enterprise-D model from AMT-ERTL (stock no. 6619) and would like to know
the correct paint colour for it.  The instruction manual says that it is
"...molded in color so painting is not necessary.".  However, I would
like to paint it.  I can't identify by eye what colour it is molded in,
but if somebody (perhaps from AMT-ERTL) knows could they please tell me
what the colour is?  I, personally, would like to re-paint the model
even though it is "...molded in color...".

Please reply via E-MAIL at bernie.wong@canrem.com.  Any help would be
greatly appreciated.  Thank you!


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Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: buzz@rsd.dl.nec.com (Buzz McDermott)
Subject: Re: hot glue
Organization: NEC America, Radio Software Dept
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:50:46 GMT

In article <85995@ut-emx.uucp>, miles@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Miles Abernathy) writes:
|> I have only flown a small Estes rocket, the hobby store kind, but I was
|> told on good authority (by a fellow who helps students put similar
|> rockets together "all day long" at the school where he teaches) that you
|> could use hot glue on the fins. I guess the motor burns out before the
|> glue warms up.

Personally, I don't see the point to this discussion.  OK, so maybe (maybe not)
you can use hot glue attaching fins.  Why would you want to :-)?  If you want 
something better than white/yellow glue use 'gap-filling' cyano.  Stronger
than white glue.  Dries fast (SUPER fast with accelerator).  Easy to use.
Much less messy.  A little goes a long way.  No batteries/AC required.

If you don't like cyano, use 5 minute epoxy, mixing a tiny batch for each fin.

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Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: buzz@rsd.dl.nec.com (Buzz McDermott)
Subject: Re: FSI
Organization: NEC America, Radio Software Dept
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:51:56 GMT

In article <28DEC199217420898@vill.edu>, 161685732@vill.edu (JOE PRYSZLAK) writes:
|> Since the FAQ file didn't include an address or phone number for FSI, could
|> someone please post one.  Thanks a lot.....

    Flight Systems Incorporated (FSI)         Large model rockets
    9300 East 68th Street                     D-G black powder engines
    Raytown, Missouri 64133                   Catalog $2.00

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Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Other reloadables besides Aerotech? (Re: Info. about solid rocket-
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 15:28:16 GMT

In article <1358@taniwha.UUCP> paul@taniwha.UUCP (Paul Campbell) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.175138.25507@rsd0.rsd.dl.nec.com> buzz@rsd.dl.nec.com (Buzz McDermott) writes:
>>Well, rocketeers, it's time to get back to work on your clustering skills!
>>With the current availability of G motors for $7/ea and under, a 3xG cluster
>>is a cost effective way to get in the equivalent of a 38/360 reload flight.
>
>Yeah, the guy who always seems to fly 'zillion clustered Ds (Bill Joe?)
>obviously has the right idea - of course if we all start flying our
>Magnums and Bruisers (that's what he flies) with 50-100 Estes Ds in the
>back end each wired with a flashbulb as he does then pretty soon we'll
>have a massive nationwide flashbulb shortage :-)

Heh.,..


The flash alone should be worth seeing 9-)

He ought to launch at night!



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From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: Other reloadables besides Aerotech? (Re: Info. about solid rocket-
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:39:57 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com

In article <19921221181458.Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu>, Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu (Roger Wilfong) writes:

> 1)  In the Aerotech RMS motors, the part of the case that gets the hottest 
>   is around the delay element.

In general this is true of ALL motors S&T tests, including cardboard motors.

> 3)  Since the Phoenix motor is only F and G rated, it is probably dealing 
>   with lower pressures than a high power motor.  A reload with a time/thrust 
>   profile of an I-65 might very well heat the case to an unacceptable 
>   temperature.  

Doubtful.  The external casing temperature is affected MOST by the delay
charge, and peaks ten to fifteen seconds AFTER ejection.
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From: 161685732@vill.edu (JOE PRYSZLAK)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: FSI
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:42:00 GMT
Organization: Villanova University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

Since the FAQ file didn't include an address or phone number for FSI, could
someone please post one.  Thanks a lot.....
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Hello and finless tec
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 19:50:43 GMT

In article <19921218074150.Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu> Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu  (Roger Wilfong) writes:
>You could just use a big spring between the spin table and the WESTAR to get 
>the satellite airborne.  That should get you even more mission points, 
>because that's the way NASA gets the satellite out of the shuttle.  You 
>could rig the spring release to a burn-thread or similar arrangement so it 
>would be triggered off of the ejection charge of the spin motor.

Uh oh... the launcher can't impart momentum to the model,
remember? Hmm.. suppose the spring is in the model? 




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From: paul@taniwha.UUCP (Paul Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: AmSpam reload issue
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:05:40 GMT
Organization: Taniwha Systems Design, Oakland CA

Gee guys thanks for the spacial AmSpam on reloads - there's so much confusion
(not to mention FUD) going around it's great to get an exact state of play
(at least for a little while).

Let's hope we get the reload situation ironed out asap .... or else
I'm stuck with several hundred $ worth of reload hardware .... and I guess 
we'll all have to truck out our little LOX trailers out to BlackRock to
tank up our LOX/rubber motors to keep DOT happy :-) come to think of it
having some really COLD stuff out in the desert might not be such a bad idea :-)

	Paul

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From: jack@rml.UUCP (jack hagerty)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: hot glue
Date: 30 Dec 92 18:29:02 GMT
Reply-To: jack@rml.UUCP (jack hagerty)
Organization: Robotic Midwives, Ltd.

In article <1hq68oINNdh5@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
>In article <23DEC199220462000@vill.edu>, 161685732@vill.edu (JOE PRYSZLAK) writes:
>> ...how good is hot glue at hoding balsa fins onto paper body tubes?
>
>Bloody awful.  First, it tends to make a gloppy mess, and even if it
>doesn't, the glue is much too flexible after it sets.  Second, engines
>usually get hotter than your hot glue gun, and your fins simply fall 
>off in mid-flight.


This is true, but I've found hot glue handy for attaching little trim
pieces like the toothpick "antennas" on the Black Brant. Gotta do
them little guys after every flight :-)

- Jack


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Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: wayne@uva386.schools.virginia.edu (Tony Wayne)
Subject: Ques. @ the new CamRoc from Estes
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Charlottesville)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 02:31:58 GMT

I just got my "Holiday" issue of AmSpac and saw that Estes was
bringing back the CamRoc.  Does anybody know if it will shoot
on picture per flight or run through the roll?
-Tony Wayne

Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Other reloadables besides Aerotech? (Re: Info. about solid rocket-
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:12:21 GMT

In article <1346@taniwha.UUCP> paul@taniwha.UUCP (Paul Campbell) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.210329.2663@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> jackson@sn.jsc.nasa.gov writes:

>>My only beef, because, I would like to fly altitude is the
>>short burn times on all the ISP motors. This is a lousy
>>thrust program if you are going for height, the v**2
>>drag kills you at low altitudes. 

>I think that this is part of 'reloadable' technology - in order to keep
>the casing temp. down they have to burn fast. An end-burning reload
>would get really hot down the bottom and the case might deform before
>it burned out, the motor mount might catch fire too.

What about the Phoenix RMS loads? If I'm not mistaken these are F12 and 
G12s. The burn times are supposedly 4 and 8 seconds respectively. The 
pictures in Model Builder magazine show a reload pellet with a groove 
cut along a radius - from the center to the circumference. Doesn't sound
like an end-burner to me....

How does the delay and ejection charge fit on the RMS motors? (The 
Phoenix motor doesn't have one of course...)



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From: miles@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Miles Abernathy)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: hot glue
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:04:10 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Texas
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I have only flown a small Estes rocket, the hobby store kind, but I was
told on good authority (by a fellow who helps students put similar
rockets together "all day long" at the school where he teaches) that you
could use hot glue on the fins. I guess the motor burns out before the
glue warms up.
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