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From: mudws@sunvis1.vislab.olemiss.edu (David Warren Steel)
Subject: Re: 1/11 Episode "Revelations"
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:39:09 GMT

In <1993Jan12.064508.1384@leland.Stanford.EDU> H. Nunes <hwnunes@leland.stanford.edu> writes:

>Finally, a solid NX episode.  Really, nothing to complain about, however,
>there isn't nothing to discuss/debate about either. . . . 

>! I was waiting for them to do an episode where Joel finally runs out of
>patients (I know, bad pun, but its the truth).

  Reminds me of _Letters from Cicely_, where everyone runs out of sleep.

>! Do you think NX glamorized Monastary life in this episode?

  Yes.  Residents of monasteries attend divine office (usually sung) 
several times a day.  While Chris and other residents were passing
through the corridors, there was Gregorian chant music in the back-
ground; why were the visible characters not at worship? or was this
just piped-in monastic "Muzak"?  
  The concept of silence was also misunderstood, in my opinion, though
it dramatized the contrast between the voluble Chris and the monks.
Traditionally, unnecessary chatter is frowned upon, except for specific
recreational time, perhaps after meals.  Meals are taken in silence,
while a brother reads aloud from religious works--Chris's conversation
with Brother Timothy is unlikely to have taken place over cassoulet.
An individual might take a vow of silence as a special discipline, but
would normally be expected to participate aloud in daily worship, or
else take refuge in solitary (as a hermit).  And while we're at it,
wasn't the apiary awfully close to the monastic buildings?
  
>! What really shocked my about the whole Chris and Simon thing was the
>fact that Simon DID turn out to be a woman.  It was so predictable, I
>didn't think they would take that route, then again, it was pretty much
>their only choice.  Any ideas why they decided to make her name Chris? 
>Was it just to get that Twilight Zone effect?

   I thought that was a nice touch.  She's his anima, the female side
of himself, with whom he's always seeking to unite.  Though Chris loves
women, and satisfies them, he can't settle with any one, since he's
really seeking the other half of his own soul.

Warren Steel                      mudws@sunvis1.vislab.olemiss.edu
University of Mississippi    Department of Music     (601)232-5183
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From: spinaa@rpi.edu (Matt Garretson)
Subject: Re: 1/4 episode: YUCK
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:01:42 GMT

In article <93008.083001IDJMW@ASUACAD.BITNET> <IDJMW@ASUACAD.BITNET>Jo Namio writes:
>Am I alone in liking this episode? I didn't LOVE it, but I did appreciate

No- I liked it as well. The scene with the "boys" looking through the binoculars
at the "girls" was priceless. 
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:13:35 EST
From: louise@cc.gatech.edu (Louise Penberthy)
Subject: Re: Going to Extremes
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	<1993Jan5.225701.4764@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
Cliff Chen (cliff@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu ) writes:
> In article <1993Jan5.211625.10381@leland.Stanford.EDU> H. Nunes <hwnunes@leland.stanford.edu> writes:
> >In article <1993Jan5.064223.19282@hubcap.clemson.edu> Joe Chung,
> >jchung@hubcap.clemson.edu writes:
> >>Sorry for the non-"Northern Exposure" show but I just had to ask:
> >>
> >>1) What do you think of this show, produced by the same folks that
> >>produce "Northern Exposure"?
> >
> >The show started out strong, then went completely in the dumper, but then
> >there were two very strong episodes back to back... the christmas episode
> >was pretty good, also.  But I have officially stopped taping the show
> >because overall, I don't care much for it, and with the shows REALLY low
> >rating following 'Rosanne' and the 'Jackie Thomas Show,' it has been
> >moved to Wednesday and will be canceled (unless Brand/Falsey have some
> >special deal we don't know about).
> 
> 	I have to disagree.  The show started out rather poorly, which is
> why so many Falsey & Brand fans gave up on it.  But the show has definitely
> taken an upward trend and I have to say that the GTX Christmas episode is
> easily comparable with some of the better NEXP episodes.

I agree that the show started out poorly.  I kept watching it
hoping that it would improve, but it didn't.  So I stopped
watching it.  I read on this group that it had improved, so I
watched a few more episodes.  The one where Charlie's car gets
stuck in a mud hole, and the scam that went with it, was okay.
But the next one was so horribly, embarrassingly bad that I can't
remember anything about it.  I was in agony the whole time.  I
only watched it to the bitter end out of sheer persistence.

> 	One disadvantage GTX has is that it is not as easy to just turn on
> and be absorbed by the characters, like NEXP.  The problem is that with GTX
> you have to have seen the previous episodes in order the fully understand
> the characters motivations.

I agree with another poster, who said that the characters don't
really have motivations.  The writers say, "How can we illustrate
such and such a point?" such as jumping to unwarranted
conclusions, and then have someone (was it Cheryl?) accuse their
maid of being a theif.  Granted Cheryl is a tight-*ss, but her
particular motivation was poorly handled.

> 	It would be a shame if the show was cancelled, especially when the
> first sexual tension relationship is just beginning to form
> (Kathleen/Colin).

This started with that first scene when she comes by his place
and repeats the names of the bones in the hand, and trails her
finger along his hand .....  yeuch.  Badly done.

-- Louise Penberthy


Louise Penberthy                |  "A lot of people think 'a capella'
Dept of CSIS, Kennesaw State    |   means 'without clothes.'"
College, Marietta GA  30061     |        
louise@pravda.cc.gatech.edu     |        -- Barry Carl, bass, Rockapella
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From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: 1/11 Episode "Revelations"
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:16:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.064508.1384@leland.Stanford.EDU> H. Nunes <hwnunes@leland.stanford.edu> writes:

>Finally, a solid NX episode.  Really, nothing to complain about, however,
>there isn't nothing to discuss/debate about either.

Oh, I'd argue with that, myself.

>! What really shocked my about the whole Chris and Simon thing was the
>fact that Simon DID turn out to be a woman.  It was so predictable, I
>didn't think they would take that route, then again, it was pretty much
>their only choice.

I had no idea how they'd end the episode (although since I only
listened to the first half, the fact that we'd never seen her face
made little impression on me).  However, I was disappointed with this
handling of it.  Besides that I think it was a cop-out, it seemed
unrealistic -- even though Simon turned out to be a woman, it remains
that at the time of his dream, Chris's desire was targeted toward
someone who *he* perceived to be male.  Not much of a resolution, if
you ask me.  My letter to Falsey/Brand will say as much.

>Any ideas why they decided to make her name Chris? 
>Was it just to get that Twilight Zone effect?

Simply representative of the fact that her character was a perfect
inverse to Chris's.

>! A very, very, very good episode.  Solid, with no real complaints.

Agreed.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
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From: egdorf@zaphod.lanl.gov (Skip Egdorf)
Subject: 1/11 comments
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:38:47 GMT

Regarding Jan 11th episode... A few comments.

I believe that most will agree that this episode is much more solid
than several previous.

I particularly liked Joel cracking dozens of walnuts, lining them up
in careful rows, and then saying to Marilyn "Im going ... crazy."
Going "NUTS" was the obvious line, and they said it without saying it
in good old NEXP fashion.

The only disappointment was the resolution of the Chris/Simon relationship.
Chris was struggling with latent homosexuality. The revelation that the
object of his desire was female makes no difference to the fact that
Chris perceived Simon as male. Admittedly, this is a difficult issue to
resolve in a one-hour show.

					Skip Egdorf
					hwe@lanl.gov
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From: sbray@advtech.uswest.com (Steven Bray)
Subject: CHRIS MUST DIE - 1/11 episode
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:12:41 GMT

I almost turned off the 1/11 episode because of Chris.  I don't
know how much more of this psycho-religious drivel I can take.
I had hopes early on that Chris might choose to join in the vow
of silence, but no such luck.  Had he done so, it might have provided
the opportunity for a genuine subplot (imagine Chris unable to verbalize).
The other subplots presented nothing new.  We already knew that Maurice 
is a control freak, that Ruth Ann is strong-willed, and that Joel is 
high strung.  By the way, if he was so bored, why not use the time to
spruce up the office?  I find it hard to believe that even Joel would 
endure that ripped up wallpaper for three years.  I guess the writers
figured that since Chris was out of town, Bernard needed to provide 
Cicely with its weekly dose of psychobabbel.  Needless to say, this
is one episode I will not watch in reruns.


Steve Bray
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From: Gordon_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Gordon Wong)
Subject: Re: Going to Extremes
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 05:15:57 GMT

> Joe Chung writes:
>
> Sorry for the non-"Northern Exposure" show but I just had to ask:
>
> 1) What do you think of this show, produced by the same folks that
> produce "Northern Exposure"?
>
> -and-
>
> 2) Who plays Kathleen on "Going to Extremes"?  She is gorgeous!  :^)
>


1. I like the show. The music and the cinematography is just awesome.
Sometimes I have difficulty sorting through the Jantique accent. I like the
adventures of Alex, Charlie and Kathleen in that order. I don't particularly
care for plotlines involving the other characters. My favourite storyline has
been the one involving Charlie and the man in the jungle and also the
relationship between Carolyn and Alex. Too bad Carolyn is gone.

2. Kathleen is played by Joanna Going. The actress who played Carolyn was my
favourite (Caroline McKenney).
From: twain@milton.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Last nite show
Date: 5 Jan 1993 18:26:37 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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In article <1993Jan5.155728.16484@fuug.fi> an3149@anon.penet.fi (nomad) writes:
>Was I the only one or did others think last nites show sucked.
>I don't feel a lot of this seasons shows were as good as past
>seasons. Maby their running out of material or spending to much
>time on new show. Just hope things pick up in the future.


Isn't it the case that Falsey and Brand left the creative direction 
of the show after the first season, to pursue other projects? 

--Barbara
From: tal691@huxley.anu.edu.au (Tonio Loewald)
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Subject: (WS)  NExp Australian Air Dates December 1992
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:57:32 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
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Northern Exposure Australian Air Dates: December 1992
 
Created by Joshua Brand & John Falsey
 
(Note. date format is the English DD/MM/YY
 The episode numbering system is that used by Alan Bates <bates@cs.ucsb.edu>
 for the Northern Exposure Episode Guide)
 
Northern Exposure is shown in Australia by Network Ten on Thursday
nights, at 20:30.
 
Episode  Air Date  Title
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1.1/1.2  3/12/92   Pilot/"Brains, Know-How and Native Intelligence"
                   Special two-hour introduction
 
1.3      10/12/92  "Soapy Sanderson"
 
1.4      17/12/92  "Dreams"
 
1.5      24/12/92  "Russian Flu"
 
1.6      31/12/92  "Sex, Lies, and Ed's Tape"
 
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From: pboren@rand.org (Pat Boren)
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Subject: Re: 1/4 episode: YUCK
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:22:30 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <1993Jan5.175208.16377@mlb.semi.harris.com> mwp@ms9.mis.semi.harris.com writes:
>
>I didn't like last nights episode either...
>Maggie was out of control, much more so that her normal self.
>Both Joel and Chris agreed with what she was doing yet she
>bit their heads off.  I didn't understand why she had such rage.
>
>Mark.

Agree totally.  Maggie's been wacko all year, and yesterday's
attitude just makes me dislike her all the more.  I'm getting real
tired of men being the root of all evil on TV these days.

The shows this year have no connection.  I think they're missing
the idea of Joel providing an outsider's view of this town.  He
now is just a person who works there.  Where is his perspective?

Where are Adam and Eve?  And how come they've never once mentioned
Eskimos?

A disgruntled fan of previous years,

Pat
-- 

	Patricia Boren
	pboren@rand.org
Robert McMillan (rrmcmil@ccu.umanitoba.ca ) writes:
> Just how warm IS the climate in Cicely anyway?
> 
> Some details make the climate look more like Washington than Alaska:
> 	1. What snow there is is always soft and slushy.      
> 	2. The buildings are made for temperate, not cold, weather.
> 		- Joel's front door has large see-through cracks
> 		  between the boards
> 		- All buildings have a single door leading straight
> 		  outside.  No double-doors (eg storm doors).  No
> 		  "airlocks" to prevent frigid winds from blowing
> 		  directly into houses, RuthAnne's store, Joel's office 
> 		  and the Brick.
> 	3. People's behaviour is definately from warmer climes:
> 		- Joel's fingerless gloves
> 		- People stand talking in open doorways in mid-winter
> 		- Winter clothing generally looks inadequate and
> 		  "poorly" arranged and worn.
> 
> What about it, Alaska netters, are parts of Alaska this warm? In the
> south? Near the Coast? Anyplace?

I have been to the lower part, Ketchikan, Juneau, around there.
I don't think it snows much there; what snow there were would
probably look like the snow in Roslyn where the show is filmed.
But of course Cicely is not supposed to be in the lower part of
Alaska.

-- Louise Penberthy


Louise Penberthy                     |  "A lot of people think 'a capella'
Dept of CSIS, Kennesaw State College |   means 'without clothes.'"
PO Box 444, Marietta, GA  30061      |
louise@pravda.cc.gatech.edu          |   -- Barry Carl, bass, Rockapella
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From: John Austin <jea1@cornell.edu>
Subject: Would some kind soul please help me?
X-Xxdate: Tue, 5 Jan 93 22: 30:31 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: jea1@cornell.edu
Organization: Boyce Thompson Institute
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d16
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:23:11 GMT

Due to some incredibly frustrating transportation difficulties, I didn't see
or tape the 1/4/93 episode.  Folks seem to not like it too much, nevertheless,
I'd love to judge for myself.  

I don't know how these things work.  I'd be happy to pre-pay tape, postage,
and handling costs.  Please respond via e-mail.

(optimistic) thanks in advance.


.  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
John Austin (jea1@cornell.edu)                                                 
Grafix iR Us                                                    
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From: kimi@fang.att.com (Kimiye Tipton)
Subject: Re: 1/4 episode: YUCK
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:36:11 GMT

In article <scs.726260266@wotan.iti.org> scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons) writes:
>pboren@rand.org (Pat Boren) writes:
>
>>Where are Adam and Eve?
>
>Last I heard Arkin was in a successful Broadway production, keeping him
>too busy to work on NE.

He's one of the leads in the award winning return of "Guys and Dolls",
a real scream for anyone who's read "Letters from Cicely".


Kimiye
From: libr@rosie.uh.edu (Harvey Brauner)
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Subject: Re: New voice on car commercial?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 12:11 CST
Organization: University of Houston
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In article <1993Jan6.122737.13618@cas.org>, lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) writes...
>Okay, in the past, Barry did a commercial for some car - I forget who.
>Janine of course is doing the series now.  Last nite I caught the last
>5 or 10 seconds of a new Isuzu commercial and it sure SOUNDED like Chris
>in the morning...  Anyone know for certain?

Yep, that's our boy Chris.  


         Harvey Brauner - libr@jetson.uh.edu  | Systems Department    
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From: H. Nunes <hwnunes@leland.stanford.edu>
Subject: Ed on Arsenio, with a look into the future?
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A76FDC37280100F0@naranja-pc-175.stanford.edu>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 6 Jan 93 00:45:43 GMT
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 08:45:44 GMT

I have a question about the clip Arsenio showed from NX before Darren E.
Burrows came on.

Ed, Shelly, and One Who Waits were at the bar in the Brick in the clip. 
One Who Waits appeared in "The Big Kiss," the problem is that I don't
think the clip was not from that episode.  So I will One Who Waits make
another appearence on NX, maybe next week? (Yeah!!)  Or am I completely
wrong and that scene was in the episode titled "The Big Kiss."


>>A talk show comment:  Jay Leno totally out classes Arsenio.  I purposly
recorded Arsenio so I wouldn't have to watch the thing, but I watched the
monologue anyway, big mistake.  All Jay did was loosen up a bit (thanks
to the Dave thing) and now he has easily the most entertaining show (as
well as the highest rated show) on late at night.
Date: Friday, 8 Jan 1993 11:28:13 EST
From: <CLINDSAY@vma.cc.nd.edu>
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Subject: Re: 1/4 episode: YUCK
 <1993Jan5.213908.11064@leland.Stanford.EDU> <93008.083001IDJMW@ASUACAD.BITNET>
 <1993Jan8.154923.4386@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu>

While it wasn't my favorite episode, I did like some things about it quite a
bit: Maggie's dream, the reburying scene in particular.  The kid was a
distraction: not too annoying, but what's the point with him?  I suppose,
though, that random people dropping in and out really does happen, so it's
not really that out of line.  I really could have lived without the Bubble
Man scenes (die die die!), except for the bit about them extracting tomato
seeds, which looked like a project I'd do with my 3 year old!  I guess Ed
decided that ferns weren't his thing (what is it about Alaskan natives and
tomatoes, anyway?  :-)  ).

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From: rrulli@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Rebecca Rulli)
Subject: Was it 849?
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:56:43 GMT


Did Chris say that Cicely had a population of 849 last night (or
something like that)?

Maggie was wearing a popular jacket last night.  I have the exact same
one.  I wonder where she got it? L.L. Bean's maybe?

I missed some of the beginning due to a phone call and only caught part
of the Little Red Riding Hood scene.  Why was Maggie more uptight than
usual on men last night?

Rebecca


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From: 001201c@axe.acadiau.ca (NATHANIEL FISHER CRAWFORD)
Subject: Re: Episode Guide
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:03:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.212816.23936@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> rrulli@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Rebecca Rulli) writes:
>From: rrulli@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Rebecca Rulli)
>Subject: Episode Guide
>Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:28:16 GMT


>I know that the episode guide has been posted before...but I didn't get
>a chance to get it so if someone could email me a copy it would be much
>appreciated.  Thanks.

>Rebecca
>rrulli@ds5000.dac.northeastern.edu
 
 YES, me too please. I lost mine. I'm Nate, 001201c@acadiau.ca
  
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From: pwy6d@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Phil Yarrington (SG))
Subject: Re: 1/4 episode: YUCK
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:17:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.175208.16377@mlb.semi.harris.com> mwp@ms9.mis.semi.harris.com writes:
>
>I didn't like last nights episode either...
>Maggie was out of control, much more so that her normal self.
>I can understand her desire to put the artifacts back and
>make her point about women being more that what men think
>they are, but she was too wacko about the whole thing.
>Both Joel and Chris agreed with what she was doing yet she
>bit their heads off.  I didn't understand why she had such rage.
>
Well said!
The comments that Joel and Chris made did not at all appear to be
condescending (sp?), and she had no right to give them so much sh*t
about what they said.  Of course she does that to Joel all the time
anyway for no apparent reason.  I think she was blaming the men in
Cicely (or men in general for that matter) for her own insecurity.  I
don't think her anger at men is justified here.  Maybe if she was just
mad at Maurice for taking over her yard, that would have been
acceptable.  He can be a bit pushy at times.  I'd just like to say
(before I get flamed) that I am not anti-feminist), but Maggie was way
out of line.
>...and....
>
>get rid of the bubble boy.
>
>Mark.

Hey this isn't Seinfeld you know, that's Bubble Man, not boy 8-).

-Phil
From: julie@skatter.usask.ca
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Historical accuracy of Maggie's claims?
Date: 13 Jan 1993 01:01:18 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
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From article <93Jan12.161231.18783@acs.ucalgary.ca>, by jabraham@acs.ucalgary.ca (John Abraham):

(stuff deleted)
> 
> NEXP writers are entitled to make a statement about female
> sexism.  I for one found it amusing and even a little
> enlightening.
> 

IMHO, the NEXP writers don't make statements about things as such.
Unlike some shows, which pound you over the head with their beliefs,
NEXP develops characters who have different beliefs.  None of the
characters are perfect, and so we don't necessarily see some characters
as being right, and others as being wrong.  NEXP explores issues, but
doesn't tell us what to think.  That's up to us.

This seems to be a problem when people expect Maggie to be some
"feminist ideal."  She isn't supposed to be perfect.  She would be
boring if she was.

Again, just MHO.

Jules



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