From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Rosignolo)
Subject: Re: Homosexuality in Islam
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:21:18 GMT

In <1992Dec21.094604@frej.teknikum.uu.se> flax@frej.teknikum.uu.se (Jonas Flygare) writes:

" Ok, then explain to me the difference between the sharia (sp?) and the quran.
" I've given you several chances to say I am wrong. Is that indication that
" you do not believe in Islamic law, unless it is literally mentioned in quran?

   The sharia is roughly the system of rules and precepts that is based upon
Koran and Hadith.

" Which, is exactly why it is a good idea to separate the two.
" Most religious leaders have acknowledged this.

   My point is they should not contradict, if they do, then at least one or the
other must be wrong and thus should be casted off.

" So, is this one ruleset without contradictions then? Or is it just the 
" interpretations that contradict? 

   Only the interpretations may contradict, but the original rules if seem to
contradict, then often the most recent abrogates the others or they are
applies in different circumstances.

" Oh, that's nice. Even if I kill someone innocent by mistake, it does not 
" matter..
" I like the sound of that. Must be reassuring being a Moslem..

   I thought you are not that naive; I told you that you are only required to 
do your best OK? But if you fail to do that, then it is less fun than you 
think. Now soldiers who kill others in friendly fire, are they executed or
something?

" |>    I meant physically. Of course, if religions do not discriminate at all
" |> among people then they implicitly imply that they are immaterial, so why
" |> should anyone follow any faith?

" Ah. So when _all_ people belong to Islam, the religion becomes immaterial, so
" we have to give it up. All become infidels, and we can start all over?
" Nice interpretation.. 

   Nice understanding, smart one! The above paragraph of mine means: Religions
definitely discriminate in one way or the other between their followers and
others, otherwise, then people will have no reason to follow those religions.
Why would you follow a religion which does not care whether you follow it or
not and you will be considered the same?

" But I thought that the mob was convinced they were right.. Was it a sin then?
" We have more than 4 witnesses to the beating. You should be able to settle
" this question..

Beating the wife is permitted in very limited situations and to a very limited
degree, not half way to death and back or so. The law must be carried by a
government not by you or me, so only a proper government can ivestigate the
problem and rule about it, which is not available now. There is nothing I can
do about it.

" But why would islam have to deal with that island, if there are no moslems on

   To give them, their children and the residents their the opportunity to
voluntarily embrace Islam and make sure that no persecution is made to prevent
people from doing so.

" it? What if you found out that they claim they are moslems, only that they 
" have been separated so long from the rest of the world, that they follow
" _very_ old rules, that clash with with the modern interpretations of the

   The interpretations must not clash unless someone is wrong, otherwise, there
are options in some issues that can be followed according to personal
preference or convincing. However, there must be only one Islamic country and
that island must be a dependency of that country.
 
" scriptures? Are they an obstruction then too? Should they pay tax in that 
" case?

   If they are Muslims they do not pay tax, they join the country like all
other Muslims districts. But if their rules contradict Islam such as having
new prophets or suspending some Islamic rules, they are fought until they
follow properly, no tax option in this case.


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