HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye)
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:56:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.004153.12341@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>
>I also think that Arne has a point.  How do you defend eating eggs but not
>meat?  There are a few small egg raisers who treat their hens decently, but
>for the most part laying hens are treated worse than just about any food
>animal other than veal calves. 
>
I plan on remaining aloof from the food source discussion, but at the
mention of veal I want to say that I grew up eating it (having many,
many Italian family friends) and I continue to adore it. I love milk-
fed veal and Dutch veal. I make a mean osso buco, and I use the
marrow to make a sauce from lemon, porcini mushrooms and rosemary
that I serve over polenta. In fact, I just got a beautiful new
copper pan expressly for this winter's polenta. My mother makes
a terrific braised veal with cumberland sauce. 

If my health holds, I will have a New Years meal of osso buco with
chocolate pasta semidolce, the great Milanese contribution to la
cucina!

-- 
Howard Arthur Faye * Panglossian Acres * Box 7 * Littlerock, CA   93543
                         Fax: 805.944.5958

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: This Ya Gotta See
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 21:56:41 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <lche1rINNpjs@spim.mti.sgi.com> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>In article <72893@apple.Apple.COM>, mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:
> 
>|> Little as I like Mr. Anderson, this is pretty horrid.
>
>Motss always has one bozo.  Let me guess, you are the current one...

I don't know about that... the competition is pretty fierce for that title
right now.  Perhaps we could declare a tribozoite.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: enough already.
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:28:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.140827.18705@watson.ibm.com> jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
>bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver):
>> However, I will be watching to see what goes on.  Actually, *WE* will be
>> watching.  Alan, Melmon, and I have formed the Anti-Cabal, the force of 
>> Good to balance the Evil Cabal.  The forces of Good will endeavor to
>> provide Order in the Universe, so be forewarned . . .
>
>woooo, i'm shaking so badly -- can't you hear the pots
>and pans banging?

*Calphalon*?  Are you banging *Calphalon*?

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You are just naive and repressed because
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:05:22 GMT
Organization: insert anything here

In article <1992Oct2.185246.28576@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>This perennial fashion tirade comes around like clockwork, usually
>when Bob needs to get new flannel shirts at Sears and when he doesn't
>feel like working on his thesis.

	ZZzzzzzz.

>I still don't understand it at all after hearing it for what must be
>four years now.  He's as looksist as the rest of us; it's just that his
>criteria aren't mainstream.  I'm trying to imagine him giving a blond
>twinkie a mercy fuck.  Hell would freeze over first.

	Who said anything about fucking?

	IT's the difference between taking people at face value
as opposed to summing them up by some scorecard provided by
their customized corporate sponsors.

	And FYI, not once did I set an archetype to it.
So, really, you're presuming too much.  Nothing new.  I knew
when I posted it that I'd get some sort of obligatory from you,
and I even had the tone down.  Missed on the content though - I 
was expecting the "If-W.B.-came down the street wearing... you'd
still rip your clothes off, etc..." argument.  You should have
gone with it - I'd have a*much* harder time trying to convince
you or anyone that I wouldn't overlook everything else...  ;-)

	Nice try though - say 6 out of 10.

Smooches, BBC
P.S.  I am writing the thesis thing, but some days my muse works better
than others.  This week is more of a let's-beat-on-the-numbers-and
see-if-we-can-say-anything-intersting than a -let's-write-up-all-the-
results-week.  But it's getting there.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: enough already.
Date: 06 Oct 92 21:50:07 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

(me)
> At the moment, I am actually quite busy with Ronzone and Cramer, who 
> are both treating me as their worst nightmare:  a gay with the arguments 
> to embarass and defeat them.  They are infinitely more fun than anderson,

/(cramer)
/Don't kid yourself.  

Wouldn't dream of it.  It's a lot more fun watching you paint yourself
into logical corners and then attempt the herculean leapfrog to get
out of them.



(cramer)
/Even the jerks that dominate soc.motss do a 
/better job than you do, because they aren't trying to defend
/private property rights while denying those of others.

Cramer, you have yet to post a coherent argument that defeats the
points I made.  Until you can do that, you are simply pissing in the
wind (and trust me, I will stand clear of you).
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@vccnw02.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: WILSON *VETOES* Comprehensive Civil Rights Bill AB3825
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:20:28 GMT


farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) writes:

>I heard on CNN that California Gov Pete Wilson signed the law that
>would prohibit job discrimination (and housing too, I think) based
>on sexual orientation. This is the same (or similiar) bill he vetoed
>last year. 
I wish they wouldn't use the word SIMILAR to refer to AB2601 [which he 
SIGNED this year] and AB101 which he vetoed last year. AB-101 started off as
a generic gay rights bill, amending the California 'civil rights code' to
include sexual orientation as a protected class, without affirmative action.
After getting through the legislature, it was just an employment nondiscriminati
on bill. AB-2601 is, and always was, just an employment nondiscrimination bill
and took Wilson's own veto message that said that his Labor Commissioner should
accept sexual orientation complaints and codified it into law. Wilson signed
it. So, it's still a good thing, but it is NOT a full civil rights law for
homosexuals.

There WAS a Civil Rights Restoration Act of 1992 that WAS a full civil rights
bill for Queers [as well as disabled, women, race, religion, etc] and Wilson
vetoed it today...

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. `D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
According to the Village Voice, the Bush Family is immediately responsible for
losses to the U.S. taxpayer amounting to 2.2 BILLION DOLLARS.
From: harris@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: gay science fiction
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:53:45 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <1992Oct4.114233.25776@nstn.ns.ca> daniel@nstn.ns.ca (Daniel MacKay) writes:
>Garber, Eric and Lyn Paleo, Editors.  Worlds Apart, an anthology of lesbian 
>	and gay	science fiction and fantasy.  1986:Alyson Publications, 288p.

The correct listing should be:

Decarnin, Camilla, Eric Garber, and Lyn Paleo, Editors.  _Worlds Apart:
          An Anthology of Lesbian and Gay Science Fiction and Fantasy_.
          Boston: Alyson Publications, 1986.

(I'm playing with the new biblio feature of the on-line catalog!  :-)

At least at my library, this book is only listed under Decarnin's name.

Pretty good book.  Could have been better, but not bad.

Trey Harris
--Stranger in a Strange Thread!
From: laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Out in a snap (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:28:09 GMT
Reply-To: laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton)
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco

>> Or do you, like most men who do not live with women, send your shirts
>> "out"?

There is somehing odd here.  Is it noble to go to the laundromat?

Not ``do you, like most who do not live with a washing machine....''

very, very, odd.

I don't live with a washing machine in the place I rent.  I could
buy one, but, no hookups.

It is not noble to go to the laundromat.  I send my laundry out to
a very nice wash-and-fold.  They charge you by the pound.  For
$20 I get about 2 weeks worth of clean clothes for Josh and me.
Hell, I'd pay the $20 to not have to schlep a full laundry basket 
4 blocks to the local laundromat, let alone the time wasted watching
your laundry and folding it.

Being able to afford wash&fold is something that only the most poor
cannot afford, and only the most miserly would resent.  Yet I meet
women well able to afford wash&fold, who instead go to the
laundromat.  It's noble.  It's a duty.  It's a royal pain in the
butt.

---------------

I just wish that men didn't assume that men without women don't
do their own washing, and women, especially women with men,
understood that *they didn't have to*.

Wash&Fold.

Laura

-- 
    Since Ryan White was buried in April 1990, his grave has been vandalized
    four times.

    (this news courtesy Rod Williams rjwill6@pacbell.com)

Laura Creighton 
toad@toad.com
hoptoad!laura
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: Mon,  5 Oct 92 22:50:10 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <67144@cup.portal.com> <1992Oct5.170616.8285@panix.com>

r l reid writes:
>I don't know where they get this advanced technology, but it can't 
>be a coincidence.  Somehow, they KNOW when a person is coming into
>a store, and they KNOW what a person wants, and they hide that
>person's size of what they want.  Everytime I need a pair of shoes,
>this happens.
>
>It doesn't seem like the way to make a buck.

True enough, but it **IS** a wonderful way to keep the employees
thoroughly amused.  ;-)
 
() The problem with the rat race is that even if you win,
() you're still a rat.
()      -- Lilly Tomlin
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "TAKE IT OUT" DAY: October 13th [Action against BANK of AMERICA]
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:01:44 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco

>Chad Jones writes:
>
>  Tuesday, October 13, has been designated as "Take It Out" Day, a protest
>  against Bank Of America's decision to re-fund the BSA.  Holders of accounts
>  are asked to close all accounts at B of A and Security Pacific branches (they
>  recently merged) and open accounts at Wells Fargo, which does not fund the
>  BSA anymore, letting them know that you are switching because of Wells
>  Fargo's standing firm on its decision to de-fund the BSA.

A good opportunity to mention a cute photo in the current
issue of the San Francisco Bay Times (a L/G rag), showing how
a Bank of America billboard (slogan: "Banking on America")
here was artfully changed to read "Wanking on America"...
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From: gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Colorado's version of NO ON NINE
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:07:15 EST
Organization: Carlson Library, Univ of Toledo

(with checkbook in hand)

     Last week I posted a query for the address of the Colorado group which
is comparable to Oregon's NO ON NINE, and I haven't received a response from
anyone.   I received the Oregon address promptly, but I am sure that since it
was sent via private e-mail, that other Motsseurs may also be interested.

     I am mailing out my check today to the group in Oregon, and would like to
also support the anti-discrimination group in Colorado, but I need a name &
address.

--
                                               "Librarian, Leather bound"
Gary Klein,   Business Librarian,  (Univ of Toledo)           * * * * 
PO Box 12650                  Toledo OH  43606-0250            *   *   
(w): 419-537-2629      fac2813@uoft01                            *   
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Liberties Civil or Otherwise (was Re: Civil War in Oregon)
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:37:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.140106.28299@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>I readily agree that many people would say it does reflect
>badly on the university if some schmuck gets really out of
>hand. 

The issue here is, I think, less one of how the content
reflects on the university than of how the formal aspects
of the posting reflects on the university's net.citizenship.
Clobbering someone for massive cross-posting or 60-line
.sig files or even for violating the charter of a newsgroup
is a very different matter than coming down on them for
the actual content of what they post.
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: enough already.
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 02:09:06 GMT


In article <1992Oct1.215331.16440@spdcc.com>
rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>In article <1992Oct1.164538.9540@netcom.com>
>>stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants) writes:

>>>"He's not making this up, you know!" 
>>>(Small, insignificant prise for the first person who gets
>>>the significance of the above line.)

>>Too easy, give it to someone who isn't very big, very brave,
>>and er, ...  just forget the whole thing, OK?

>Be CAREFUL, Jess, be CAREFUL!

Singularly appropriate advice; one thing I *don't* want, at
this time in my life, is nine daughters, especially not a
fearfully noisy lot.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
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Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
From: pgr@crhc.uiuc.edu (Paul Ryan)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Date: 6 Oct 1992 20:42:16 -0500
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: copland.crhc.uiuc.edu

Tim Pierce writes:

> As far as I can tell,
> most of it seems to be faux-liberal posturing: pretending that you're
> extremely progressive and sensitive without having really to commit
> *too* much.

Although I'm only a vege-phile, a lot of my friends are real vegetarians.

Motives include health, money, religion (mostly among my Indian friends),
and the discovery that there is a world of ethnic veggie cuisine out there
that makes the meat-and-potatoes we grew up on look pretty bland.

If you think they're doing this because it's easy, you're clueless.  A
dedicated vegie diet is HARD.  It's hard to eat out, it's hard to accept
dinner invitations, and it's almost impossible to deal with your mother
when you tell her.  (That part is a lot like coming out - they freak.)

If you think they're doing this to impress *you*, you're just deluded.  None
of my friends even know you're alive.

Paul

-- 
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Center for Reliable High-Performance Computing     Urbana, IL 61801
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign         (217) 244-7179
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
Subject: Re: My Very Own Out List
Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:42:14 GMT

In article <f!#p1s-.cjlee@netcom.com> cjlee@netcom.com (Caroline Jean Lee) writes:
>This is perhaps a trivial reason to demuffin, but George Takei is queer ?!?

Yes, he is... didn't you notice how dashing he was in ST:TMP?
:)

Actually, I have a very dear friend who use to be on the
Hollywood party circuit before growing mellower (read as
getting hitched) and he has fond memories of the very charming
George Takei.  He is a very good role model... don't you
agree?  I just wish Sulu was more of a role model... but then
Paramount obviously doesn't want queers on THEIR Star Trek!


-- 
Tom Barrett (TDBear)    tdbear@tandon.com          voice: 805-378-6207
Tandon Corporation      609 Science Drive          Moorpark, CA  93021 
Sr. HW Design Engineer  "War is Peace, No is Yes, And We're All Free!" 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: Results of Sexual Orientation---Handedness Surveys!
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 11:41:35 GMT

I wrote:
>>>These two statements are logically contradictory.  If homosexuals are
>>>more likely to be lefthanded then lefthanders are more likely to be
>>>homosexual.

spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun) replied:
>>Maybe you need to review your logic.  Seems you didn't think this one
>>through too carefully...

to which I said:
>Perhaps you would like to explain what it is you think I said in the
>paragraph above, and how your hypothetical data disprove it.

It appears after an exchange of e-mail that the source of our mutually
snotty misunderstanding is in the interpretation of "more likely".  I
meant "more likely than a random person", whereas Spencer understood
"more likely than not".

Gene Ward Smith has already double-glazed the collective eyes of the
soc.motss readership with a discussion of conditional probabilities,
so let me just remark, by way of intuitive support for my statement,
that if queers claim more than their fair share of lefties then more
lefties must be queer than is either natural or just.

,
Eamonn Patrick McManus
I ransack camp monument
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@lib110.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: My Very Own Out List
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:53:53 GMT

timbomb@cs.uq.oz.au (Tim Mansfield) writes:

>Inspired by the recent discussion of famous living out people in 
>bit.listserv.gaynet, I've decided to post my list of queer men and women that 
>I've painstakingly compiled from various postings in motss and gaynet.


>Enjoy!

>--------------
>footnotes at the bottom

>Agnes Moorehead			actor (notably, in Bewitched)
Wow!
>Bart Conner			Olympic gymnast
OUT??
>Camilla Paglia			writer
It's Camille. And we don't want her.

>Daniel J. Travanti
Huh?? I had never EVER heard of this before. HILL STREET BLUES indeed!
>Flipper 			dolphins are polymorphously perverse
Shocking!
>Gore Vidal			writer
Anyone finish the new book yet?
>Jodie Foster			actor
Oh come now. WHEN has Jodie ever been out? OUTED, yes... :-)
>Samuel Delany			black, bisexual married science fiction writer
Is his wife Marilyn hacker on the bus, too?

>Tracey Chapman			singer
NOT out, no e.
-- 
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The Anna Quindlen Fan Club
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From: SEK@psuvm.psu.edu (Sonja Kueppers)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,psu.org.lgbsa
Subject: Phranc to perform at Penn State University
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:11:51 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Phranc will be giving a free concert at PSU on Oct. 12 (Monday) in
Schwab Auditorium at 8pm.

Phranc is a well-known performing artist, who refers to herself as
"the typical jewish lesbian folksinger."

If you are interested in attending this event from out of town, feel
free to contact me, and I can try to arrange housing for you.

-Sonja
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Re: Civil War in Oregon
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 11:12:28 GMT

This thread seems to have become a flame war about Melmon's postings to
soc.motss. Since Melmon doesn't post here, I think it might be
appropriate for people to watch the newsgroups line and keep it out of
soc.bi.

[I've set followups to soc.motss]


Ciaran.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Surnames (was: TERMS OF ENDEARMENT)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:29:45 GMT

Juffillips.

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Toys 'r' Us
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:48:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep30.094807.2217
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Sep30.085635.13531@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>There's a wonderful article in
>Diseased Pariah News #6 about candypink dildoes, too. The writing
>style might be familiar..

The article appeared first on motss years ago, and was reposted here
by the author last year on 5 Sep 91.

>It does have nonoxynol-9, which I'm not so happy with. Last I heard,
>no one was really sure if it actually helped prevent HIV transmission
>in the case of a leaky condom during anal sex. It kills HIV in a test
>tube, but it also irritates the rectal walls.

Prostitutes using nonoxynol-9 contraceptive sponges (together with the
suggestion to always use condoms) appeared to contract HIV and other
STDs more frequently than those who didn't.  As has been said
here before, just because a substance kills HIV in vitro doesn't
mean that it will have any sort of prophylactic effect when used
in the body.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tchrist@convex.com (Tom Christiansen)
Subject: request for text of OR and CO ballot initiatives
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:11:59 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Could someone out there please mail me either the exact texts themselves
or ftp pointers to such text for the upcoming initiatives coming up in 
Oregon and Colorado?

thanks,

--tom

-- 
    Tom Christiansen      tchrist@convex.com      convex!tchrist
Show respect for age.  Drink good Scotch for a change.
Spouse, n.:
        Someone who'll stand by you through all the trouble you
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