HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Subject: Re: The Difference Injure..
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:59:17 GMT

>Taldin finishes tucking the long deep brown unicorn blanket
>around Liralen, clearly glad to see her again.  Goes back to
>his seat by the fire for a bit, contemplating life, it would seem..

    Taldin, its those of us who appear different that get the verbal,
and sometimes the physical, abuse. Today I am wearing an orange and white
striped shirt, blue-jeans, regular shoes. 
        I am considered flashy by some who work here.

     I don't have to see Freshmen or Sophmores here as I work on a branch
  campus which only accepts transfers for juniors and seniors, along with
  graduate students. I have been heckled by people here, until they found
  out that I was the lab monitor who was going to show them how to access
  their Bitnet account, or many of the other things around here. Our policy
  in this lab is that any student who harasses a lab monitor losses their
  lab privelages. I know you can't do that, but I can. I have had to only
  resort to it twice in five years.

      We get a more mature group here as many of the students here work
  full-time and go to classes at night. Not a rowdy bunch.

      Sorry, I can't offer more help. 
 
-- 
 Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science USM - Gulf Park Campus 
             jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
                     "Kill the Wabbit ! " Elmer Fudd. 
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From: keulen@possum.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Mike van Keulen)
Subject: Re: I'm Published!!! (WAS: FOOD FIGHT !!!!)
Organization: Murdoch University
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:56:30 GMT


Splash looks on as the immense pie forms in the centre of the Place; 
"Wow!  Hey, I wonder what it'll taste like ... will the subtle rutabaga
flavour still get through?"

Then, as the Golden Gryphen announces his publishment, Splash rushes over
and gives him a big <HUG!>.  "Congratulations!  Getting published is one
of my more immediate aims too.  When applying for jobs, publications are
all important, as I've found out on numerous occassions.  All I've managed
so far is a conference paper.  As for getting paid for it - hah! 
Unfortunately, we aren't rewarded for our efforts in biology; sometimes we
even have to pay for the priviledge!  Anyway ... good luck with the novel 
:-)  and all your other literary works."

Taking the Bundy and Coke offered by Mike, Splash echoes the Gryphon's
toast: "To hard work ... and following your dreams!"

<CRASH!!!>

--
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Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
Subject: Re: Science and god: Are they incompatible? If so, why?
Reply-To: mss2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:08:25 GMT

In article <0f2wjne00awT01Q1U3@andrew.cmu.edu> Mark Beirne Lively <ml5a+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>	Obout the after menopause and the use of the rythem method.  Both are
>allowable because it is still possible for a child to be born.  There
>are at least 2 bible stories where a child was born after the woman was
>too old.  So there is a possiblity that a child could be born if it was
>God's plan without too much difficulty or trouble onhis part.  With the
>rytem method there is the same arguement.  That the cycles are generally
>evenly spaced but it is a relatively common occurance for the timing to
>be off(at least thats What I was told in sex ed many years ago)

	"Well, but it's still possible with artificial methods as
well: 1 chance in 100 (over a year) for the Pill, 3 in a hundred for
condoms, and I think something like 13% for the sponge (all of these
are assuming the couple uses them correctly every time-- actual
results are closer to 3% failure for the Pill, 10% for condoms, 18%
for the sponge).  The basal temperature NFP method has a theoretical
failure of 7%, and an actual rate of 20% (I speculate the much higher
actual failure rate has to do with the fact that people find `wait two
days' harder to manage than `wait a minute while I find a condom'.)
But if the couple is actually able to follow it the woman is less
likely to get pregnant than if she uses a contraceptive sponge, yet
the former is permitted and the latter isn't.  So probabilities can't
be the only angle considered here."

Michael
-- 
Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS	"Indeed I tremble for my country
mss2@midway.uchicago.edu	 when I reflect that God is just."
mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu	 -- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on
mschiffer@aal.itd.umich.edu	    Virginia (1784)
From: mjmh@crsa.bu.edu (Michael J M Holmes)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: God and Science:  The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:59:24 GMT
Organization: Boston University Center for Remote Sensing

In article <1992Nov13.093721.18637@muddcs.claremont.edu> dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu (David Green) writes:

>*sigh*  Anyone else want to take a bash at Christianity, while the topic's
>out?  Please, I've had a bad past couple of weeks, why not just go the whole
>nine yards, and make me completely miserable?  Haven't you people heard of
>tact?  Yes, I will admit that Nightstalker's statement about 'Eastern
>religions' was a little narrow... but that's no reason to retaliate in what
>you see as being similar suit.

/* looks over at David, very sympathetically.  He walks over,and  puts
his hand on David's shoulder.

"Not all non-Christians want to bash Christianity.  But, sometimes,
this society is so *overwhelmingly* Christian that non-Christians
feel automatically defensive whenever religion is mentioned.  It is
not a personal attack on you, or even on how *you* as an individual
practice your Christianity.  Unfortunately, some of us have had a lot
of negative experiences, either within Christianity, or when dealing with
Christians."

"Yes, its a knee-jerk reaction.  In some ways, it may even be 
justified on occasion, if we are talking in broad terms.  Many
individual Christians are wonderful people; others are prejudiced
boors.  Non-Christians are the same.  I know it hurts when your
religion or belief is attacked, but please, realize it is not
anything against you as a person, and probably is not even against
Christianity as you practice it."

/* moves his hand away, hoping that David will be having a better
couple of weeks soon.  The purple handprint on David's shoulder
begins to fade imperceptibly.

-- 
========================================================================
Mike Holmes       mjmh@crsa.bu.edu           "Happiness Will Prevail!"
Boston University Department of Geography (a truly GREAT place to work!)
========================================================================
From: randolph@cognito.ebay.Sun.COM (Randolph Fritz)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Anyone going to Orycon?
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:21:52 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: St. Dismas Infirmary for the Incurably Informed
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Randolph steps in briefly, looking harried.  "Anyone else going
Orycon?  If so, would you like to get together?  Leave a message at my
hotel room (it's in my name) or send me e-mail Tuesday--afterwards
I'll be out of touch.  I'll be showing up at the con late-ish Friday
evening and staying into Sunday afternoon."

__Randolph Fritz  sun!cognito.ebay!randolph || randolph@ebay.sun.com
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Science and god:  Are they incompatible?  If so, why?
From: jwwalden@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (P'relan)
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:45:49 -0500
Organization: Dept. of Physics

In article <1ef045INNmv6@gap.caltech.edu>, ajm@wag.caltech.edu (Abner J. Mintz) writes:
> P'relan writes:
>>No, even one violation of the physical laws invalidates science.  Extremely
>>limited intervention does not prevent science from being *useful* though it
>>remove any chance of it being correct which may be what you meant by not
>>invalidating science.
> 
> Hmmm.  Depends.  Maybe you can expand science to cover the violations.  In
> other words, if the rules as known are being violated, start studying when
> the violations occur.  Then classify them, and start theorizing how such
> violations could occur.
>
> The only reason we can't study the rules outside the universe ('outside the
> pinball machine') is lack of access to this outside.  By studying the actions
> of a being outside the machine, could we get some idea of the being's nature
> and thus the nature of the outside?

I think from Michael's description of the pinball universe, there wasn't
way of systemizing the violations, certainly there isn't from an omnipotent
being who could do anything, in order to incorporate them into the laws
of physics.  Now if you could come up with metalaws valid for Fred and the
pinball universe then you wouldn't have a problem.
 
> The next time Jesus Christ shows up, I say we draft him and send him to 
> Caltech to be studied!    ;)

Hey!  Keep those Chemists away from any deities - Physics is more fundamental
so we should get to study them first!  (-:
 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 P'relan (and Birith)      	   ``Time stand still -
 jwwalden@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu      I'm not looking back -
  or jwwalden@miavx1.bitnet	     But I want to look around me now.'' - RUSH
From: ajm@wag.caltech.edu (Abner J. Mintz)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Another introduction...
Date: 19 Nov 1992 20:10:49 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: seurat.wag.caltech.edu

Speaker-To-Minerals says:
>>Abner says, "Well, you see, 'The Moon is a Harsh Mistress' was the first
>>science fiction book I ever read.  It's what got me hooked ...  So I noticed
>>your name right off the bat!"

>Hmmm. The first SF book I ever read was called _Danny_Dunn_and_the_Antigravity_
>_Paint_.  Don't remember whether I was in first grade or second when I read it.
>First, I think.

"I remember the Danny Dunn books.  They generally consisted more of balognium
than anything else ...  Fun though!"

"BTW, StM, I noticed an article in the L.A. Times that I thought should be
brought to you attention:

SUPERVISOR REELECTED BY ONE VOTE

A Mendocino County supervisor has won reelection by a single vote out of more 
than 8000 cast, election officials said.

Liz Henry took a 24-vote lead over challenger Heather Drum on Election Day, 
but the final count of absentee ballots reduced Henry's margin to one,
County Clerk Marsha A. Young said Tuesday.

"Luckily, I voted for myself," Henry said.

The final tally in the rural, mill-town district that included Ft. Bragg was 
3,938 votes for Henry and 3.937 for Drum.  Drum was returning from a vacation
and unavailable to say whether she planned to ask for a recount, something
that would cost her several hundred dollars, according to Young.

Drum nearly won election in the primary, running more than 500 votes ahead
of Henry and 23 shy of a majority that would have eliminated the need for
the Nov. 3 runoff."


Abner laughs.  "OK, so it wasn't a congress race, but still, there you have
it.  An election won by one vote!"
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu (David Green)
Subject: Re:  Science and god:  Are they incompatible?  If so, why?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:26:12 GMT

(Yes, I know I already followed up to this article.  But something occurred
to me since then that I feel is worth saying.)

In article <1edn7hINNrsm@gap.caltech.edu> lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
->In article <1992Nov18.043643.16303@muddcs.claremont.edu>, dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu (David Green) writes:
->=->Then again, why does believing in a deity or being a Christian, make you 
->=->more moral than anyone else?  Especially when empirical evidence doesn't 
->=->show a clear cut difference.
->
->=Because I happened to draw my moral code from the teachings of the Bible.  If
->=I didn't have the Bible, things might be different.
->
->That means that if someone behaves exactly like a Christian (except he doesn't
->go to church), then he's STILL less moral than the Christian?  Who was it who
->said something like "By their fruits shall ye know them"?

I think this discussion has gotten a little off-base by this point.  I am
not a Christian because it makes me better before men, but because, in some
sense, it makes me better before God.  The purpose behind my Christianity
is not so that I can go around and point out people and say "I'm better/
more moral/whatever than you," but because I believe that there is a God
as described in the Bible.  So my morality is not something of the world
(i.e., something defined and laid out by mankind) but of God.  In that
sense, then, I am more moral before God because I am following the guide-
lines that He laid out.

As far as someone who follows these same moral guidelines, but doesn't
believe that he has them from God (as I assume that StM was trying to
ask), it's not really my domain to say.  If you'll notice the last line
in my .signature, "I have not been appointed Judge, Jury, or Executioner
by God.  Just witness."--this is not something I stick down there merely
because I think it sounds neat, but because I believe it's true.  I'm
not going to be the one judging people, and their beliefs and actions,
on Judgment Day.  That's God's domain, and I leave the task to Him.  I
don't rightly know, either, how you propose that one would be following
the Christian morals that I perceive without believing in God or that 
that's their origin, but that, I think, is relatively moot to the point.
-- 
dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu		        	   David "Mishael" Green
		    Have you scritched your local Furry today? 
************************Who ordered the muon? -- I. I. Rabi*********************
  I have not been appointed Judge, Jury, or Executioner by God.  Just witness.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk (Mary Branscombe)
Subject: Re: illuminati
Reply-To: maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:51:00 +0000

.ohio-state.edu (William D Yang)

hey!
Mary peers closely at the poster she was just talking to.
"Magnus" And you're asking *us* to explain the illuminati? Double 
bluff guys - they just want to know what *we* know to see if we're 
dangerous yet!
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From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: Democracy
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 04:08:06 GMT

>=>StM asks, "Kitten, could you give us a bit more information?  Publisher,
>=>price, etc. (mainly publisher)?
>=
>="sure, speaker....and here is the info:
>=
>=_take back your government_
>=
>=c. 1992 virginia heinlein
>=a baen books original
>=isbn: 0-671-72157-7
>=
>=
>=i think you'll enjoy it."  kitten decides it is time for a nap...and
>=decides to borrow speaker's lap for it.

>Well, as usual, StM is looking confused.  "I just went back to the bookstore
>where I'd asked them to special order the book.  No luck.  When the guy who
>actually does the special ordering came in, he couldn't find the oook, either
>in _Books_in_Print_ or in the microfiche supplements.  Any suggestions?"



"email your address to me....i am going to chambanacon this
weekend...i will get a copy and send it to you...."

kitten is ever helpful when it comes to dispersing information.
--
***************************************************************************
conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"love is the wild card of existance"
                          rita mae brown

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From: mwasson@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Michael Wasson)
Subject: Re: FOOD FIGHT !!! and new-comer...
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 02:10:49 GMT

>>>She takes out another amulet and puts it on, and offers others to Susan,
>>>Liralen and Bear. "Does anybody else want a protective amulet? All it does
>>>is make messy stuff rebound on the caster. But these things -won't- stop
>>>peanuts or other stuff that won't hurt or mess up the wearer."
>
>"Will they stop fungus and dairy products?  Been hungering for a mushroom
>and cheese amulet lately..."

Gecko-boy meanders in.  He's been lurking just outside the doorway, 
reptilian style, for some time now.

"This place sure is occult above the rest. Mind is I sit down for
a spell?"  [I know, that one's potion it...]

He walks over to the bar and orders a shot of Jack Daniels with a
Dos Equis chaser.

"You know, he says, "I was just watching the First Annual Inter-faith 
Olympics on TV.  Truly amazing. For the 1000-meter run, Islam was 
represented by the world-famous Ahmed, Judaism by long-distance champion 
Baruch, and the Vatican fielded John-Paul.  Well, when the race began all 
three were dead even, and in fact they stayed neck-and-neck for the first 
eight laps.  But then Ahmed looked up into the sky and was heard to 
declaim, quite loudly, 'Allah! Give me strength! Let me win this race!'  
Well, it must have worked, 'cos he took off like a shot.  Baruch also
began to pray ... 'May the Lord give me the determination to win
this race!'  He, too, quickly shot ahead.  Well, poor John-Paul ...
you could see him on TV, crossing himself and praying, 'by the Virgin
Mary ... by St. Jude ... by some miracle let me win this race!' But
it was no use.  He lagged farther and farther behind, in fact he
was running so slowly that both Ahmed and Baruch actually *overtook* 
him on their way to finish line."

Gecko-boy pauses to bolt down his shot of Jack Daniels, then wipes
his mouth on his sleeve.

"Well," he concludues, "that just goes to show -- you'll never get
anywhere being a lapped Catholic."

<crash!>


Gecko-boy (aka Mike)         (hi Spacey!)


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>--
>-Chip Olson. | olson@husc.harvard.edu | ceo@{gnu.ai,silver.lcs}.mit.edu 
>"Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free, silhouetted
>by the sea, circled by the circus sands, with all memory and fate driven deep 
>beneath the waves; let me forget about today until tomorrow"  -Bob Dylan.
>


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From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Subject: Re: God and Science:  The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 09:23:37 GMT

rowanf@crc.ricoh.com (Rowan Fairgrove) writes:
>I apologize in advance.  I have been trying not to get
>sucked into this conversation.
>
>I think you are setting up straw figures here again.  The shape
>of the world is an observable fact.  Not a moral statement.

    "Uhm Rown. There is a Flat Earth Society in Great Britain with a 
   chapter in California. They believe, as far as I know, that the
   world is flat. All evidence otherwise is an optical illusion
   or trick photography, or etc... I certainly know otherwise, " Linda.

    "She isn't kidding. I don't know how seriously they take themselves,
  but they do exist... " DJ.

-- 
 Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science USM - Gulf Park Campus 
             jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Science and god:  Are they incompatible?  If so, why?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 19:17:19 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Nov16.214120.27547@midway.uchicago.edu>, mss2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer) writes:
>	"Note that this does not restrict the _power_ of the player,
>who may be `omnipotent' with respect to the pinball universe.

Already covered in my description of the Deist's god, whom I described, if I
recall correctly, "either can't or chooses not to interfere," or something very
similar to that.  If the god in question is limited by rules, whether those
rules are somehow intrinsic to the universe or they're simply rules that god
has chosen to impose on himself, then he's not necessarily in conflict with
science.  On the other hand, he's not omnipotent in any operational sense
either.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: rich@theophilus.msfc.nasa.gov (Rich Krum)
Subject: Re: Christmas? But it's only November!!
Reply-To: rich@troll1.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: Boeing Computer Support Services
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:59:21 GMT

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From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: UK Realspace
Date: 20 Nov 1992 04:34:15 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Nov20.002932.11086@ucc.su.OZ.AU>, mar@physics.su.OZ.AU (David Mar) writes:
=> [Rhodri (Windsinger) announces a UK RealSpace for the Wolf's visit]
=
=Uh-oh. Danger Mouse is curious now.
=
="I just had a thought. I (and a few other Aus Callahanians) have met the
=Wolf in RL. And now he's meeting Rhodri and a bunch of UK Callahanians.
=I've also met shadowshine, who has met Castellan, who has met...
=
="Get the picture? I'm wondering just how far chains of mutually RL-met
=Callahanians go. I envisage a big chart, showing all the links, from
=which one could read off the various connections. Like a graph network
=in computer science theory.
=
="Hmmm... is anyone willing to compile the information? And yes, I
=realise the difficulty and impracticality of it all. I'm just really
=curious. And I'm dangerous when I'm curious. <evil grin>"

If people will e-mail me the necessary information, I'll take a crack at it.
I promise at least to archive the information so that if I give up on it, I'll
be able to pass it on to any other volunteers.