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From: marcus@sun.pcl.ac.uk (Marcus Harvey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM is a game machine company
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:38:41 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic of Central London

In article <1992Apr5.031535.5979@seq.uncwil.edu> drollin@seq.uncwil.edu (David A. Rollins) writes:
>
>You overlook one big point. With all the gloom and doom posting,
>CBM continues to market new products. You also miss another point.
>
>Unlike Apple and IBM, CBM makes their products with the ability to
>upgrade from one computer sytem to the next. One does not have to
>give up his software to move up a grade. The higher grade computers
>have the ability to emulate their predecessors, so there is no loss
>there.

You can run Adobe PhotoShop on a Mac Plus (don't know why you'd want
to but you can).
>
>I admit that I am waiting for CBM to shock the market with something
>to make the competition rush to the drawing board, but I see nothing
>wrong with broadening the user base by offering low-end computers.
>
Don't hold your breath.

>I have friends who use Mac and Ibm compats. They are awed by what the
>Amiga can do. I never express to them my displeasure with how
>Commodore runs things. I never hear Mac or IBM people complain about
>their computers. Basically, I don't think they know any better.
>
I take it that better=amiga.

>The words that they say are hat remains. They all say the same thing,
>"Wow, the Amiga is great. I wish my Mac could do that." or "Wow, the
>Amiga is great. I wish my '386 could do that."
>
The words that they say are "hat remains"!?!?!? What like mouldy old
bits of felt and straw yeah? Ick!

>This is what counts.
>
NOT!

Marcus Harvey
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From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Considering switching to IBM
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 00:25:06 GMT

cython@ais.org (Tim Devlin) writes:
>Actualy, my message was more directed at the other poster more then you, but
>you DID state that you did not know, so I used "You guys" rather then just
>respond to him alone.  Preahaps a few more smileys would not hurt, when you
>make statments that look to MOST sane people like an honest question, or are
>all your post just flames at CBM now? ;)

Actually, I did not ask any questions.  I already know the commonly stated
reasons for the price of the A3000.  I try not to flame Commodore much at
all; it would be like kicking a beggar on the street.  (Insert smiley if you
must.)

-- Gerald
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From: leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt)
Subject: Re: Mac OS just sucks --
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA  90041
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 04:59:46 GMT


Hey, Apple has decided to market Macs through... SEARS!  What a BRILLIANT
move... I wish COMMODORE would think of such a thing!  Imagine... hooking
up with the biggest retailer in the world, to sell to small business 
people through dedicated office centers.

I mean, SEARS is doing SO well, aren't they?  And these people will get
so much for their money, won't they?  Imagine the profit margin on these
machines... it's enough to make you cry for the old day when Mac marketed 
on the basis that people *love* overpaying for  their equipment.

Thom



hehe... lets get real here.  Apple is desperate.  Sears is desperate.  Good
matchup.  I pity their customers.

Anyone wanna buy a 386sx complete for under $1000?  How about an Amiga,
for under $500?

Hey, I hear that Mac Classic II is coming out, with that marvelous,
stupendous piece of technology, the 16bit bus '030... only $2000
to get a decent low end Mac.  What a concept?

Mac people cry when I show them a 500.  Even more than PC people, who
say... geez, I'm glad I didn't buy a Mac!  I've got enough money left
over to buy an Amiga as well... and at least I can get most of what I
paid out of my 386.

:wq
From: dtiberio@csws7.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Beer (was Re: New Amigas Announced!!!!)
Date: 12 Apr 92 04:39:32 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook

In article <871579l.703046914@aucs> 871579l@aucs.acadiau.ca (Todd Lowe) writes:
>kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:
>
>>Gentlemen... please at least change the subject heading if you're going
>>to discuss just beer all weekend long.   Especially when that current
>>"New Amigas" header is bound to draw unsuspecting readers in :-)
>
>Good idea.  Beer doesn't fit in this group, but since *SO MANY* other
>subjects don't either, I'm not gonna complain. 
>
>As for my favorite it's a local Maritime Canadian Ale called Keith's.

>Anyway, enough bandwidth use by me . . .

	Could we please stop these beer conversations? Many of us are 
already tired of hearing all this beer crap. Anyway, when everyone here
decides that it is csa.advocate.drinking, and when I turn 21 (Thursday),
then you can talk about beer, okay?

(:

	By the way, my favorite Beer is the great and infamous
Grizzly Beer know to terrorize early explorers of the northern
territories. Many men have been know to confront one of these
fieresome, yet graceful, beasts, weighing in at over a ton and
standing over twelve feet tall... and my old Physics teacher
Mr Jensen said that he wanted to wrestle a beer at the New York
State Fair but they wouldn't let him because he was to big. He said
the trick to winning is to take them by surprise; sing to them,
rub the beer's belly, and give them cookies. Then when they aren't looking,
hit them over the head with a chair from the audience (in the true
spirit of Beer Wrestling, while the referee isn't looking).



-- 
      //   David Tiberio  SUNY Stony Brook 2-3662  AMIGA  DDD-MEN   
     //  Not the llama! Come here Earl; I want to tell you something...
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From: aissmith@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Doug Smith)
Subject: Re: 040 and 486 and nap42487 knows nothing about CPUs.
Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:08:55 GMT

jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:

>Backwards compatibility is also a kludge?  Wow, you Amiga types sure
>are an avant-garde bunch.  Why don't you tell that to CBM so that they
>can make you a real OS with memory protection?  It doesn't matter if
>all previous software breaks under it, right?

I'm no hardware wizard, and I couldn't tell you how to find out how many
MIPS or Mhz your machine does for a million $$$, but I do know this:

Since day 1 (1985), the majority of times a process crashes on the Amiga, 
it will produce a "task held" requester which announces a process has
crashed.  Now, if you select cancel, the machine will halt and will pull up
a guru meditation number (for you IBMheads: it displays info about the
crashed task, location in memory, where it crashed in CPU etc).  HOWEVER,
if you click the requester to the back and ignore it, or better still,
remove the requester AND the crashed program (and its screen/window) with
a task montioring program, you would never know the difference, with all
memory that was taken being returned, and a machine that is still running.
Most Amiga owners don't realise that the machine will still operate 100%
after a process crash, as long as you don't select "CANCEL" on a task
held error requester.

Just thought I'd say that, as it is often overlooked.

See ya,
Smithy.
From: hjalmar@cbmswe.se.so.commodore.com (Peter Hjalmarsson Sweden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A2000-D??
Date: 6 Apr 92 09:11:44 GMT
Reply-To: hjalmar@cbmswe.se.so.commodore.com (Peter Hjalmarsson Sweden)
Organization: Commodore Sweden

In article <10503@chalmers.se> d0per@dtek.chalmers.se (Martin Hiller) writes:
>In the April-issue of the german Amiga-Magazin I saw an add
>on Amiga 2000 D. Now I wonder what that D stands for.
>I know that C means 1 meg chip. Could it be that D means
>2 meg chip, ECS Denise and os2.0 ??

Let me say this in bright bold letters:

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN A2000C or A2000D. There is only A2000A and
the "usual" A2000. What people (stupid, ignorant dealers) mean when they
say A2000C is rev.6 or later of the motherboard. PLEASE DEALERS, WE DON'T
NEED ANY MORE USER CONFUSION!!!

>Someone must know...(Dr P. Kittel vielleicht???)

I think Peter and the others at Commodore Germany is busy telling the above
to their dealers, at least I hope so.

>- Martin
>    // Martin Hiller (d0per@dtek.chalmers.se)| "You come from nothing,
> \X/   Gothenburg, Sweden, Europe            |  What've you lost? NOTHING!"
                    ^^^^^^ I felt kinda obliged to answer


Peter Hjalmarsson
Amiga Support Engineer, Commodore Sweden
hjalmar@cbmswe.se.so.commodore.com
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From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Graphics boards
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:59:56 GMT

jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Then our comparison isn't fair.  The ET4000-based SVGA's don't have
>their own processors.  The ET4000 itself is just a fast VGA controller.

I have to go with what is available.  The DMI Resolver is the closest thing
that the Amiga has to SVGA.  Actually, that is not quite true.  The SVGA
cards for Intel machines will also work in the A2000--with the Bridgeboard,
of course.

-- Gerald
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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  C= policy (Re: Apple problems "Home computer")
Distribution: world
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:55:48 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Apr6.131707.7900@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.103357.14282@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>>
>>I agree.  Microsoft, IBM and Apple all use vapourware announcements
>>to great effect.  Windows NT, PowerPC, Taligent, the list goes
>>on.  The Windows NT vapourware is enough to keep a lot of people
>>from going to OS/2 2.0.
>
>Yes, it's been very effective, although the main effect I've seen is that the
>average DOS user is now _very_ confused about the future.
>
>>Maybe some Amiga vapourware would keep
>>people from moving to clones.
>
>Part of the problem seems to be that Commodore can't say what their plans are,
>because they don't know themselves.  We keep hearing stories of killer Amigas
>and chipsets which are actually developed, then C='s marketing department
>decides not to release it.  So, even if we knew what was under development,
>it wouldn't help us much.  :-(
>
>>The performance gap seems to keep
>>getting bigger, especially in the last few weeks here with the
>>arrival of 50 MHz 486 clones priced about the same as the Amiga 3000.
>
>Yeah, what's with all the low PC prices in the last month or so?  I've never
>seen anything like it!  I can buy a 386/40 with SVGA, 4 megs, 40 MB HD, mouse,
>Windows, DOS 5, and a 24-pin printer thrown in, for $2200 (US$1700) - I mean,
>that's including a printer!  Then there's complete 486 systems for under $3000,
>and even 286s, including SVGA monitors, for under $1000.
>
>I don't want to think about how much I've paid for my A2000, in comparison.
>I'd still rather buy an Amiga, even at these prices, but I'm considering buying
>a 386 to play around with...

It's shakeout time in the PC clone world.  The cheap clone companies that
can't live with the low margins will go out of business, and then the bottom
end prices will rise back to a more normal level.


--
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		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Apple "Loses" Look-and-Feel Lawsuit
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga GRn V1.29 4/10/92 (Beta) by Mike Schwartz
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:04:46 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Apr16.060944.25136@utstat.uucp> philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>In article <kdarling.703379568@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:
>>U.S. District Court Judge Walker today dismissed most of the $5 billion,
>>four-year-old, Apple lawsuit against Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard over
>>alleged Mac "look and feel" copying by MS Windows 2.03 and HP's NewWave.
>
>Finally, there's hope for an end to all the legal nonsense. Are you sure
>about this?
>

Positively.  It's been all over the news for a couple of days now.  Note that
MOST of the stuff was thrown out.  In particular, the use of graphic images
for icons and gadgets was thrown out.

--
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and Genesis Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Jerry "knows" 486's faster than 68040.
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:33:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: cup.57050
  <sctconno.702516586@kraken> <1992Apr6.035446.15509@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
  <1992Apr6.063340.6550@ux.acs.umn.edu>
  <1992Apr6.174756.17361@ctr.columbia.edu>
  <1992Apr7.165843.1@cc.helsinki.fi> <1992Apr7.201127.7425@u
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Oh boy...everything about the Amiga "sucks".

You're such a silly boy.
From: Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Xerox adds "screens" to windows
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:21:54 GMT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

It sounds like Xerox might have put a roadmap of where the user -is- in
among the multiple screens, which should help SLIGHTLY. ...... 


-- Via DLG Pro v0.991
From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Video Machine - Toaster Sales Killer?
Date: 13 Apr 92 06:29:14 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

sorvan@orion.bison.mb.ca (Colin Stobbe) writes:
>>   "Unlike the Toaster, which runs only on the Commodore Amiga and requires
>> the NTSC video found in the US, the Video Machine is an add-in board
>> for PCs and Macintoshes that also handles European PAL or SECAM inputs,
>> allowing the editor to mix-and-match them."  
>
> Um, does this mean that you could input PAL video, and output NTSC?  

Yes, or apparently any format combination on the output and dual inputs.

> Is it just me, or doesn't this require REALLY EXPENSIVE hardware.  

Not if they're using those Philips digital TV chips, as they seem to be.

> Pretty amazing if it's all true.

Not nearly as amazing as what's going to be coming down the pike.  I've
been in on the design of a couple of new chipsets which'll have truly
incredible capabilities.  But thank goodness, that's the way this biz
works: expensive and custom today, cheap and common tomorrow.

best - kev <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: EISA vs. ZorroIII
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:28:19 GMT

sctconno@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Dave Connors) writes:
>
>>Nish Patel   nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
>
>It's very rarely that I meet someone who insights so my damned anoyance in
>me. NiSHITh, unless you've got something productive to so, go away and play
>wordprocessors on your IBM.
>

All right, Dave.  I've resisted flaming you for your abusive articles full
of bullshit generalizations, but I can't stand for this.  Trying to degrade
someone by vandalizing his name makes you, in my book, a lower form of life
than the excrement of Asian fruit bats.

If you've got nothing better to do than post articles insulting people in
this way, without so much as a mention of the things they said with which you
disagreed, I urge you to get a life as soon as possible.

>
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From: tron1@tronsbox.UUCP (Kenneth Jamieson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Xerox adds "screens" to windows
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:47:07 GMT
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.

In article <1992Apr7.235203.2600@seas.gwu.edu> gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>mcarp@sun75.uucp (Michael Carpenter) writes:
>>only have one Workbench screen on the Amiga.  (Admittedly, I'm still 
>>running 1.3, so I don't know if you can do  this in 2.0.)
>
>I have used something like this before.  It was a PD ware for the Amiga
>which would allow you to open a custom screen and redirect Workbench windows
>to the new screen.  I cannot recall the name at the moment; I will check.

	The pd one I use is "WSM".

	But you still only get >1< real workbench screen.



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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Justin, go back into the woodwork........
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 22:39:21 GMT

In article <!#6t+=n@rpi.edu> johnsd2@rpi.edu writes:

[More on the MacOS vs. everything else...]

For what it's worth SAS tried to move its full statistical package( not
JMP) over to the Mac before 7.xx. They decided it couldn't be done. They
have however moved it to the PC under OS/2 and the NeXT. Now whether or
not 7.xx has made a difference is anybody's guess at this point. There does
not seem to be a great rush to port scientific software, other than graphics'
based stuff, over to the Mac OS. S, Gauss and others were once considered.
But the Mac's strenths and usage lie elsewhere.

Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: kentd@FtCollins.NCR.com (Kent Dalton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: What will it take to turn CBM around???
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:33:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: zappa.KENTD.92Apr15133325
Organization: NCR Microelectronics, Ft. Collins, CO
In-reply-to: sclever@nmt.edu's message of 7 Apr 92 00:57:22 GMT

>>>>> On 7 Apr 92 00:57:22 GMT, sclever@nmt.edu (Shawn Clever) said:

Shawn> *** What can WE do as users to ensure the survival and further
Shawn> development of one of the best-designed, multi-tasking platforms
Shawn> ever created??  ***

Look for unfilled niches in the software base, write a program, and
release it freeware or commercially.

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From: tron1@tronsbox.UUCP (Kenneth Jamieson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Intel HW
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:37:51 GMT
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.

In article <jbono.06p5@tension.UUCP> jbono@tension.UUCP (John Bono) writes:
>Time for me to clear up some misconceptions about Intel HW and OS's:
> 
>1.  Windows is *not* multitasking.  It is a very clever method of task
>switching under dos which will crash if you look at it funny.
> 

	Ummm... you might wanna do more looking before you say
something like this. It is certainly multi-tasking, it is not
PRE-EMPTIVE, and it is not multi-processing, but it does m-task.

	(as opposed to the system 7 mac method of task switching)

	Also, when run on a 386 or 486 in protected mode you get VM
and memory protection (98% sure? I have seen it stop ill-behaved code)
and it certainly does NOT crash that easy.
 
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From: mr_scary@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Chris Hurley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: EISA vs. ZorroIII
Date: 11 Apr 92 18:42:24 GMT
X-Maildoor: WaflineMail 1.00r

-> From: mhw42412@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Hwa Wu)
-> Lines: 7
-> 
-> Hi,
-> 	If I'm not mistaken, EISA runs at about 8 Mhz.  MCA (IBM's 32 bit
-> architecture) runs at about 1/2 the speed of the cpu.  So a 33 Mhz 486
-> would have 16.5 Mhz slots ( I could be completely and utterly wrong ).
-> 	So the only way a PC could get 33 Mhz, 32-bit wide busses is to
-> get an actual IBM PS/2 with a 66 Mhz processor.
-> .
	Actually, it is 1/2 the speed of the Processor, OR 10 Mhz,
whichever is less.

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From: kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: "Room" for Windows
Keywords: Xerox brings multitasking to Windows
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:49:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA


     A public service announcement for IBM/clone users:

Be the first kid on your block to anounce to the rest of the
IBMer's you know that multitasking is available for Windows.
But it doesn't come from OS2.0. A product from Xerox will be
hitting the market within a month, that will allow multitasking
on IBM/clones. It is called "Room" for Windows. Stay tuned for
further updates.

2 comments from my local peanut gallery:

Peanut #1: Who needs OS2.0, when I can have multitasking real
           soon now! But then again, haven't we heard the same
           story from IBM about their OS2.0 for months on end!

Peanut #2: If Commodore has any patents/copyrights to multitasking
           then perhaps now is the time to fire up the big
           lawyers, and go for the jugular vein. (Or at least
           license it out for an enormously fat fee. Perhaps
           then we will see all those things the posters on
           .advocacy dream about come true.)