From: dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King)
Subject: Re: Item for Chaney's study of abortion--adult/child sex link.
Keywords: Nyikos failing other arguments goes for guilt by association
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 17:31:44 GMT
Reply-To: dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King)


pn>>In article <nyikos.714506449@milo.math.scarolina.edu nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) write
dk>In <1992Aug25.231443.21218@nas.nasa.gov> dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King) writes:
pn>In article <nyikos.714859323@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
writes:

pn>>[Item about a Dr. Chepko who is an abortionist and child pornographer]

dk>So what is the point in this article?  I'm kind of curious if you see
dk>some link here or what?  Does it matter that this doctor performed 
dk>abortions? 

pn>Sure does.  Note the item about his house and clinic being picketed
pn>by pro-lifers.  Can we agree that sometimes the pro-lifers are 
pn>justified in doing this?  [As maybe, just maybe, in Dr. Chepko's case.]

Were the pro-lifers picketing the house because he was involved in 
child pornography (an illegal act), or were they picketing the house
because he performed abortions (A legal act).  While I'm not necessarily
opposed to picketing as a protest method, I am not about to give pro-lifers
credit for stopping Dr. Chepko's child pornography.  I oppose the reason 
they were picketing, but would defend their right to do it.  Did the 
pro-lifers picketing some how lead to the arrest of Dr Chepko?  Why
do you feel them picketing for one reason and the Doctor getting arrested
for another justifys what they did?

dk> Does the fact that this doctor did bad things some how 
dk>discredit the pro-choice movement?

pn>Of course not, no more than a few crazy bombers discredit the whole
pn>pro-life movement.

While I have not seen any connection between Dr. Chepko's child 
pornography and the pro-choice movement, I do see a connection between
the few crazy bombers and the pro-life movement.  I would never paint the
pro-life movement with the same brush as the Operation Rescue crazys, I
still believe it is part of the pro-life movement.  And until the pro-life
movement denounces such activity, they will be stuck with trying to 
defend it.  The pro-choice movement has no trouble distancing themselves
from Dr. Chepko's child pornography, because it has nothing to do with the
pro-choice movement.

pn>>>   	Don't you pro-choicers just _hate_ this?
pn>>				--Stephen A Chaney

dk>>As a pro-choicer I'd have to say no, not at all. 

pn>"This" could refer to lots of things.  I didn't want you to take it
pn>only in Mr. Chaney's original sense of the word, and I'm glad to see
pn>you agree that Dr. Chepko did some bad things, if he was guilty as
pn>charged.  [er, you do agree, don't you???]

As I was saying, I don't hate anything I have ever seen posted by either
you or Chaney.  I think your silly arguments trying to prove guilt by
association are not seen as compelling by anyone who is past the age of
12.  I enjoy reading it, because I find them humorous.  I have no desire
to ever see you stop posting this type of argument.

Do I agree to what?  That Dr. Chepko did bad things?  I'll wait until
a court of law determines if he did.  That he is guilty as charged?  I
have no idea.  That he discredits the pro-choice movement.  Not at all.
I have no trouble distancing myself from Dr. Chepko's child pornography,
can you say the same for Randall Terry's misogynic and homophobic
preaching?

Dan King
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