HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: mega ste price
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:58:38 GMT

In article 1975@ucsu.Colorado.EDU, chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY) writes:

>I don't think NERD is definied by how many computers you have.  I alone
>have 7 computers(2 ATARI, ST, 486-33, 386SX20 Notebook,286, MAC 030).
>It's true that alot of my old high school buddies call me a computer geek,
>but look at what most computer science majors would have in their homes.

Ah, some of us just can't seem to get enough, can we Jeffrey?  But my intention
was to imply that a true atari BIGOT (as I was called) wouldn't be caught dead
with anything _but_ an Atari.  Me, I like 'em all... just can't afford 'em.


___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
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From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Public Domain Software
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:21:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: newshost.1992Apr13.172102.1237
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

Send a letter off to BRE Software, 352 W. Bedford Ave, Suite 104, Fresno, CA 93711, USA for a copy of their latest ST PD Catalog.

Another good source is ST Connection which publishes a bimonthly magazine all about PD and shareware software for the ST.  Address is ST Connection, Computer Publications, Unltd., Box 2224, Arvada, CO 80001, USA (foreign subscriptions are US$28 per year or US$84/year with disks).

-Hutch-
Fair Dinkum Technologies
From: dtarico@mrsvax.mis.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Word Processors
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:42:55 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <1992Apr14.085854.6299@actrix.gen.nz>, Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
> In article <12159@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> twright@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Tom Wright) writes:
>> 
>>   I've been looking for a decent word processor for my ST.  Right now I'm still
>> using (gasp!) ST-Writer and it's okay, but I'd like to get something better.  
>> I'm a real fan of Microsoft Word for the Mac, so something similar would be 
>> nice.
>>   Features I would want are:  automatic footnoting, style sheets or equivalent,
>> ability to import graphics and flow text, variety of font sizes and styles,
>> and Postscript-to-disk output.
>>   Note that I DON'T want a page-layout program, just a word processor.  I read
>> a review of 1st Word Plus some time back and it seemed to have most of these
>> features.  Can anyone comment?  Plug your favorite program, here's your chance.
>> 
> 
> Well it looks like you had better start writing one, this is one
> Platform that the Atari lacks...
> -- 

That's real helpful, Roger.  Anyway, I have seen some info recently about a
word processor called Write Now and it sounded pretty powerful.  I have
never seen or used it though.  Anybody elso know more about it?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: jyoung@isis.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young)
Subject: Re: ACE'92 show: Report
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 05:44:17 GMT

In article <12385@umd5.umd.edu> adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.220407.21238@cis.ohio-state.edu> tbrown@trout.cis.ohio-state.edu (Ted Brown) writes:
>>
>>Why would I want to pay more than the cost of at TT to run programs just
>>as fast as a ST?
>
>Because you not only get REAL applications (Windows, OS/2, DOS) but you get to keep compatibility with the ST(e) series of computers (god knows why).

This same person (Alok) was comparing Falcon/ST to ZX81 in other news!!  If
OS/2 is REAL application you use only for playing around with your disk
drive?!  What else you using it for???

>
>>I surely hope that it runs better than his Atari 8-bit
>>emulator "runs".
>
>Well, he's shown it already, and it DOES run.  Like it or not.
>

One person time it at 85% and it still no ready for 5 months??  When 
Falcon come out that time it will run at least 200%!!  And get extras like
DSP CD 16bit stereo sound, color graphics, LAN,MIDI...

>Your personal opinion of Darek says just about nothing about the fact that
>the Gemulator is a fact.  The only problem I can foresee is him finding
>enough people to back him in such a seemingly useless project.  Why would
>a 486 owner want to emulate an ST?  There is not one single application on
>the ST which I EVER use...except for those which I run within Spectre.  Which
>by the way, runs (or is very close to running) under Gemulator.
>
>Sorry, but the ST has dropped the ball.  Forget it.

Ok, you go pay couple of hundred for Gumlulator, I pay couple of hundred
for new 16 MHZ Falcon so we are BOTH happy!!!!!
You can tell us when you buy it Ok??
From: chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: GEMULATOR (WAS RE: SUDDEN VIEW VS.
Date: 13 Apr 92 00:40:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsu.1992Apr13.004045.4112
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <JcH4iB1w164w@cyberden.uucp> moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us writes:
>chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY) writes:
>
>> In article <1992Apr8.202512.28315@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu
>> >
>> >And, for $180, you can buy a 1040ST with 1meg and Tos 1.0.
>> >
>> >Why the GEMulator?
>> >
>> >T.
>>
>> And yes, no monitor, mono or RGB to go with it.  And no large capacity HD.
>> And saying no High Density drives as well. etc etc...
>>
>Ok... and for $300 you can buy a 1040ST w 1MB, Latest TOS, Mono/Color monitor
>      of your choice and probably a bunch of software from someone used and
>      all this runs a lot faster then a 386/33 w/GEMulator. Oh yea, you get
>      MIDI IN/OUT too.
>

I prefer new, sorry.  Anyways used will only get one monitor, I have applic.
that will need mono, and personal software that need RGB.  You can have the
latest TOS already on the gemulator and you can have more than 1 MEG RAM!
MIDI IN/OUT for somepeople is not needed, but you can get SB pro which has
it already.  
IF I was to go the route of buying a new STE, 1.44 Meg floppy, Hi REZ card,
HardDrive, more memory, AT Once,monitor, all new prices, it would amount to over
$2800.00 and you get SX performance along with small 40 or 50 Meg HD.
Now go the route of a 486-33, you get Gemulator and SB pro, the result totals
about $2200.00, that gets you 130Meg HD, both high density drives, mono and
and RGB emulation of STE, and 4 megs on the 486 along with MIDI IN/OUT,
math coprocessor too.  With 1024x768 256 color SVGA.
Prices are from recent adds on 486-33 with 256K cache DX, 130 Meg IDE, 4 megs
70ns, 230 Watt P/S, 3 1/2" and 5 1/4" HD floppies, SVGA....$1700.00
SB pro ... $200.00
Gemulator with ROMS ... $300.00 (spoken to Darek, he said $250 for the gemulator)
Mega STE /2 ... $899.00
SVGA (multisync) $500.00, HardDRIVE (40-50 Meg).. $300.00, 1.44 upgrade estimated(don't exactly know, but seen) $200.00, AT once w VGA $400.00 (right?), 
Hi Rez card around $600.00. These figures can be +- $100.00, not in STE prices
are more memory and Co-processor.
As anyone can see, if you are starting fresh to buy a STE and a PC, go with
the PC and the Gemulator, but if have a PC, different pc can determine what
you would like to have.  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: Re: Falcon
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:58:37 GMT

In article <6618@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> willing@pantheon.icsl.ucla.edu (Scott Willingham) writes:

>p.s.  I suspect that "true color" refers to direct storage of RGB values
>      in video RAM as opposed to the use of color palette lookup tables.

"true color" in computer graphics generally means you have enough
colors to put a different color on each pixel on the screen.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: mega ste price
From: Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:29:44 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <1992Apr14.155055.12901@newshost.lanl.gov> hutch@lanl.gov
 writes:
> Roger, if your intent is to flame the Atari, there are better places
to do it than in this newsgroup.  People here are well aware of the Atari's
weaknesses (and it's many strengths, for that matter).
  If you love the PC so much, then I recommend you attend the PC newsgroups
 and save the diskspace for the rest of us.
> 
> Personally, I think we _do_ have good word processors, data bases,
 hard disk tools, etc, etc, that you complained about.
  Perhaps not the wide assortment that the PC enjoys,
 but they are there nonetheless.
  Sorry that you do not have strong local support for the Atari in Kapiti,
 New Zealand, but don't feel like the lone stranger.


Have you ever been to New Zealand, no I don't think so, so you comments
are a load of rubish, you are nothing but a Atari bigot, get with it..

Atari has just posted 1/4 year loss of 4.4 million...
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From: mpl44572@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ender)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Toadfile 44 Removeable for sale
Summary: BUY THIS
Keywords: FOR SALE
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:05:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr8.190555.5228
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


For sale:  Toadfile 44 removable, about 1 year old.  Comes with ICD host
adapter and cartridge.  (All set up to go). $475 includes shipping.

Mark
From: jp07@gte.com (James Paschetto)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Atari address? Portfolio info?
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:27:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: GTE Laboratories Incorporated, Waltham MA

(1.) Can someone out there furnish Atari's address & phone number?

(2.) Have any netters used the Portfolio?  I'm trying to compare it to
     the Sharp Wizard as an all-purpose organizer & PC-adjunct.

Thanks... Jim.
From: pe@cam-orl.co.uk (Philip Elwell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: F1GP is out
Keywords: F1GP, Geoff
Date: 6 Apr 92 08:25:44 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: Olivetti Research Ltd, Cambridge, England

Yes, Formula 1 Grand Prix has finally been released for the ST. I haven't seen
it yet, but my brother has a copy. Apparently it is very similar to the Amiga
version except:

1. The sound is poor (Stunt Car engine sounds)

2. The still pictures are 16 colours instead of 32

3. The screen update is faster

It comes on 4 disks, the first being single-sided so that people with a SS
internal drive but a DS external drive can use it. It is not obviously hard 
disk installable, but you can backup the floppies. The box also claims that it
requires 512Kb RAM, but I can't verify that this is true.

Lets hope David R. Watters doesn't read this group.

Phil
From: selick@csa.bu.edu (Steven Selick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Wanted: PC-Ditto ][ board
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:47:59 GMT
Reply-To: selick@csa.bu.edu (Steven Selick,degree)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

Wanted:

PC-Ditto ][ Board
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Preferably never been soldered, or modified in any way. If you're not
using it, I really could use one! I'd like to pay $30-$40, and I'll pay
shipping as well. Please don't sell me a board that doesn't work.
Thanks,
Steve <selick@csa.bu.edu>
From: Frank_Luthe@rd.maus.de (Frank Luthe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: PHIGS on ATARI ST
Date: 6 Apr 92 06:56:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.04

Hi there,

working on my diploma thesis, I need to know whether there is an
implementation of the graphics standard PHIGS on the ATARI ST.

If so, what is the price?  (I hope it's PD!)
       which bindings do exist (C, Pascal etc.)?

Thanx for your answer

Frank
From: wagg@zellweger.ch (Georg Wagner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: GFA Basic 2.0 EXEC command
Date: 8 Apr 92 07:10:18 GMT
Reply-To: wagg@zellweger.CH (Georg Wagner)
Organization: Zellweger Uster AG, Switzerland

In article <702641992.F00001@tdkt.kksys.com> Chuck.Grimsby@p1.f47.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Chuck Grimsby) writes:
>
.......some stuff deleted
>
>BTW, dump GFA 2.0 and get 3.x.  It's only $150, and the improvements are WELL 
>worth the upgrade fee!
>  
Don't do it, GFA is out of the atari market. So there will be no support
and no updates anymore


Georg
From: LENNJM@PURCCVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: VIDEO KEY WANTED!
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:24:52 GMT
Organization: Purdue University


      I just got a 1040 ST without an RF modulator and I would like to buy
  a VIDEO KEY or something that does the same job. I have a color TV and a
  color composite monitor, so either RF or composite color is fine, though
  the RF output is preferred.  I am using mono right now but color would be
  great!!!

                                                            Jody Lenn
                                                           LENNJM@PURCCVM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,rec.music.synth
From: plate@cdsmn.mn.org (Doug Plate)
Subject: Hybrid Arts Digital Master (Direct Disk Recording)
Reply-To: plate@cdsmn.UUCP (Doug Plate)
Organization: Dicomed Inc, Burnsville, MN.
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 05:28:53 GMT

Does anyone own or has anyone demoed the Hybrid Arts Digital Master
Direct Disk recording system for AtariST?  They sell them at Guitar
Center (Roseville, MN), but my chances of getting a meaningful demo
there are pretty slim.  How many tracks?  Is it mainly for mastering?
Can a sequencer be running along with the recording software?

Regards,
Doug
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: RE GALAXY CAD
From: cse0507@desire.wright.edu
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:08:54 EST
Organization: Wright State University 


>Jonathan writes:
> The source code for the Atari ST G-SWIM is pub/galaxy/AtariSrc.
> Anyone interested in doing some work to clean up is free to... (I asked
> the author...)

Right, but what language is that?  It looks like a mutant mixture of C, 
Pascal, and Basic;  I know _I_ don't have a compiler that can handle it.  Or
is it a proprietary language (shudder)?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: brayl@isis.cs.du.edu (Bill Rayl)
Subject: Re: ST MAGAZINES
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 23:21:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.222528.23238@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> chuj@horton.Colorad
.EDU (CHU JEFFREY) writes:
>What magazines are available in the US for the ST?
>I use to read STart, but they are not available anywhere here in Colorad
.
>email chuj@horton.colorado.edu
>If you have a phone number to order these, please include it in the
>replies.
>
>						Thanks,
>						Jeff
>
>
>


Jeff,

I can recommend Atari Interface (no bias there tho! huge grin).

Atari Interface is monthly, and covers the ST/TT, 8Bit (classic) and the
Portfolio.  AIM is distributed to Atari dealers in the US and Canada,
as well as being available in the UK and AUSTRALIA.

Additionally, besides Atari Explorer, AIM is the only Atari magazine
available in bookstores across the US.


A subscription to AIM is $18/yr (US addresses) for 12 issues.  Canadian
subscriptions cost $42 and foreign subscriptions are $48/yr.

For more information, contact Unicorn Publications, 3487 Braeburn
Circle, Ann Arbor, MI 48108.  Phone (313) 973-8825 voice or BBS:
(313) 973-9137.  US funds in cash, check or money order are accepted.
We also accept Visa, MasterCard, Diner's club and carte blanche.

                Pattie Rayl (Atari Interface)

Oh, I almost forgot.  AIM also offers three different disks of the
Month: ST/TT, Mac/Spectre and 8bit.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: aq115@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert C Glover)
Subject: Re: mega ste price
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 04:28:32 GMT


Van Snyder:
 
According to the benchmarks in a past current notes, a Mega STE
will outperform a 386/25 machine.  A standard STE will outperform
any 286 machine, and the TT blows away a 486/25.
 
Let's keep the facts straight.
 
Rob
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From: ilaskey@cix.compulink.co.uk (Iain Laskey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: mega ste price
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:57:33 GMT
Reply-To: Iain Laskey <ilaskey@cix.compulink.co.uk>
Organization: Gated to News by demon.co.uk

Roger,

 You *really* must accept that Atari exist outside of New Zealand.
Wordprocessors such as Calligrapher (WYSIWYG, tables, multifont, graphics
import, line art, spell check/thesaurus/grammer check etc.), That's Write,
That's Word, Wordperfect, Wordup, Protext, Wordflair, Wordwriter, 1st Word
and so on are all available and have been for some time.
Databases? How about Superbase Pro, Superbase Personal, Prodata, Adimens
and more.
Spreadsheet? VIP, K-Spread 4 (accesses Teletext too), Logistix, LDW Power.
DTP? Calamus SL, Pagestream (Postscript, many types of fonts standards),
Timeworks, Fleet Street 3 and others.
Graphics? DPaint + many wonderful packages which others have already mentioned-
.
Add Postscript emulators, video/audio digitisers, scanners, memory upgrades
beyond the 4meg, 68030 boards (outrun a TT!), 24bit graphics boards,
19inch monitors with superb resolutions, and of course UNIX. I can go
out tomorrow and buy this from Atari. It Does Exist.


   /********************************************************************
   ** Iain R Laskey  ** I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours **
   ******************** But I think that God's                        **
   **   Unix >= DOS  ** Got a sick sense of humour - M L Gore         **
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: cmk57122@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Christopher M. Kmiec)
Subject: Re: : Kiwi attack on Atari/Falcon
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 01:58:11 GMT

Could somebody post the specs on the A5000?  I can't find out anything
about it and it drvers me nuts.
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From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization:  One of these days.
Subject: Re: Disabling upper 2 megs.
Reply-To: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.00 Rev. Jan 16 1992
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 09:16:52 -0600

In <92104.033254JJL101@psuvm.psu.edu>, J.J. Lehett writes:
>    I have a Mega 2 ST that is upgraded with xtra Ram upgrade to 4 megs.
>I am looking for a program that will disable EXACTLY that upper 2 megs of
>ram, and leave the ST in a state as if this were not installed.  I need this
>to test out some problems I have encountered.
>   Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    If it's just for temporary testing, just take out one chip in the bank.
Or disconnect the 3 resistors thet were installed to activate the bank.
    If you used sockets for your upgrade, you could do what I did. Pry out
a chip in one bank, bend up the +5 pin, and connect wires to the socket 
and the pin and put a switch somewhere on your mega. I did this to play
Knightmare and Railway Tycoon. It's not the prettiest solution, but it has worked succesfully
for +3 months, and for some reason, make1meg doesn't work on some machines.
    I've heard of people using reset proof ramdisks set to 2048, but this 
has only worked for me on some programs.
    Boycotting companies who write games that break on ST's is of course,
self defeating, as we can barely get them to write them for the ST at all.

-- 
       John Henders      jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
    I think your "evolutionary scale" needs an adjustment.  Either 
      that, or you've got your thumb on it. -> (lefty@apple.com)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 03:32:54 EDT
From: J.J. Lehett <JJL101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Disabling upper 2 megs.

    I have a Mega 2 ST that is upgraded with xtra Ram upgrade to 4 megs.
I am looking for a program that will disable EXACTLY that upper 2 megs of
ram, and leave the ST in a state as if this were not installed.  I need this
to test out some problems I have encountered.
   Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY)
Subject: Re: mega ste price
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:54:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.042832.19250@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aq115@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert C Glover) writes:
>
>Van Snyder:
> 
>According to the benchmarks in a past current notes, a Mega STE
>will outperform a 386/25 machine.  A standard STE will outperform
>any 286 machine, and the TT blows away a 486/25.
> 
>Let's keep the facts straight.
> 
>Rob
Rob why don't you keep your own facts straight!  Your TT 030-32 will not
blow away the 486-25, sorry but current benchmarks read totally in fair
of the 486.  That is one reason why the gemulator can run up to the speed
of an ST in a window on a 486.  Try emulating a AT machine by software
on a TT (emulate 286 8Mhz speed).  The 386-33 or the 386-40 are more very
close in performance as the TT.  As far as graphics are in concern, the
standard card that is provided with the TT is faster than most that are
provided with the AT system.  Also look in current benchmarks performed
by APPLE in their ill ads.
From: RIFFEGL@PURCCVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Computer Dungeon
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:16:54 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

Has anyone ever heard of a place called Computer Dungeon in Michigan?
It is supposedly a place that buys and sells used ST software.  They
advertised in the December issue of AtariUser and I have talked to
the proprieter once but haven't heard from them since.
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