From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:53:14 GMT

st1lv@rosie.uh.edu (McLeod, Stephen) writes:
: >: 
: >: I'm very well aware that a majority of pedophiles are not homosexuals but
: >: when my child is 16 they are not a child but not an adult.  Since I believe 
: >: that homosexuality is partially environment and since I wish to influence my
: >: children to be straight, I feel uncomfortable for them to be around homosexuals.
: > 
: >Just because you believe something doesn't make it true. Why can't you believe
: >us when we keep telling you that we were *NOT* influenced to be gay? In fact,
: >just the opposite is true - society *HEAVILY* influences us to be straight.
: >: 
: >: Why?  Because when I was young, I *was* hit on by the homosexual who headed up
: >: our door to door sales team.  
: > 
: >But you did not turn out to be gay? But if he had so much influence, why didn't
: >you? Could it be <gasp> that you were *BORN* straight...
: > 
: >He *did* get into a relationship with one of my
: >: friends (who was at the ripe old age of 14).  
: > 
: >and that your friend was *BORN* gay?  Nah, it must have been that that homosexual
: >somehow wielded his influence over your friend but not you. 
: 
: Well, first you don't at all bothered by the fact that we were fourteen so part
: of my argument (and my problem with my own children as they reach this age) is
: obviously falling on deaf ears with you.

: As far as his being born gay, I'm sure you would say that he is leading a very
: unhappy life having been forced into a marraige with a girl he claims to have
: married for love and had a couple kids with.
: 
: > 
: >I do want grandchildren and I
: >: feel that the straight lifestyle will result in a happier life for my children
: >: as well.  If they turn out to be gay, I won't try to reprogram then or stop
: >: loving them but I feel that the environment in which they are raised can have an
: >: effect on their orientation.  Is it 10%, 20%, 50%?  I don't know.
: >: 
: >What utter bullshit - can't you even see the contradiction in your own story?
: > 
: 
: I don't see a contradiction.  I see percentages, modified by the things she
: experiences.  Perhaps you had a 100% chance to be homosexual.  Maybe she has an
: 20% to be homosexual. 

So, to prove that exposure to homosexuals causes one to become homosexual, you
came up with the story about you and your friend having an encounter with a
pedophile when you were both 14. Now you turn around and state that NEITHER of
you are homosexual. So how did your exposure to this pedophile cause 
homosexuality? The answer: it did not in either of you.

To reiterate what has been said over and over and over ....


MOST pedophiles are heterosexual, not homosexual. Heterosexual pedophiles
often prey upon young boys. I am sorry and outraged that you and your friend
were victims of a pedophile. It did not turn either of you into homosexuals.
How can you argue that it did, when you yourself say it didn't?

The overwhelming majority of homosexuals are NOT pedophiles. To imply that
homosexual == pedophilia is bigotry, pure and simple. 

I personally know many children who are either children of, or are in close
contacts with, Lesbians and Gay men.  It does NOT influence their orientation.
It does tend to make them not believe the kinds of prejudiced lies that
are told about Lesbians and Gay men.  The incidence of homosexuality in
children of Lesbians and Gay men has been shown to be equivalent to that
in children of heterosexual parents. This should be proof in itself that
exposure to homosexuality does not cause homosexuality. To turn around and
say it does not prove anything is ignoring the facts. That is bigotry.


Kathy
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