HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: james@wrs.com (James Moore)
Subject: Re: Crowds at Disney - suggestion
Reply-To: james@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:49:10 GMT

dlb@mitre.org (David L. Baldauf) writes:

>I'd also like to see a listing of when attractions are down for 
>maintenance.

You can call Disneyland at 714-999-4565 and ask them directly.


-- 
James Moore                            /|\                        james@wrs.com
Wind River Systems                     \|/                  Alameda, California
	 "Half of what he said meant something else, and the other half
			  didn't mean anything at all"
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Subject: Re: Upcoming features
Reply-To: djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:17:02 GMT

In article <183n54INNoa@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G. Brashear) writes:
>
>Personally, I'd love to see them do a version of a book I read in elementary 
>school.  It was called "Bunnicula" and it was about a vampire rabbit.  Not a 
>fairy tale, I'll grant you, but it was a fun book anyway.  

You know how to make a guy feel old, don't you?  I was in college when that
book came out. . .

It's by James and Deborah Howe.  James Howe has written a slew of sequels,
including "Howliday Inn," "The Celery Stalks at Midnight," and "Hot Fudge"
(it's stolen).


In article <03lnnt_.tyger@netcom.com> tyger@netcom.com (Kitty in the Middle) writes:
>Oh *wow*! I haven't thought of that story in ages! That really was a hoot! I
>would have to agree that it could lend itself well to a full length feature.

Actually, it's already been done as an ABC "After School Special," along with
my other #1 nominee for the Disney treatment, Clare Bell's RATHA'S CREATURE.
Both got munged, of course. . .


>The House With the Clock in it's Walls: 
By John Bellairs.  Many sequels, again.

>Tailchaser's Song:
>
>Kinder, gentler Watership Down with cats instead of rabbits.

I don't know about "gentler," but in all a *much* better book.


		The Pavlov dog and the Schroedinger cat
		Side by side in my forebrain sat
		With Shakespeare's monkeys crowding in behind. . .
		. . . it's all in your mind.
			-- Visual Purple

Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, Net.Roach
My opinions do NOT represent Pacific Bell,
Professional Development, or anyone else.
But I'm willing to share.
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From: giand@opencon.com (Deepak S. Gianchandani)
Subject: Vacation Club Passes ?? (Was Re: Disney Vacation Club)
Organization: OpenCon Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:26:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.150825.23757@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ak189@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Carolyn James) writes:
>
>
>... majority of the article removed
>............
>>3) I recall hearing that through the year 2000, when you use the
>>   units, you also get passes.  What kind of passes do you get?
>>   (are they equivalent to super passes)?  How many do you get?
>You get a pass for the number of nights you are staying - they are vacation club passes.
							   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	What do the passes allow one to do??????????????????
	
>Carolyn James--ak189@Cleveland.FreeNet.EDU
>Genealogist at large :)


	Thanks for the info in advance :-).


	Deepak (email:giand@opencon.com)
From: rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Upcoming features
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:39:06 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <Bu1Iq0.F40@world.std.com> andyi@world.std.com (Andy G Ihnatko) writes:
>jrjj@moscom.UUCP (Jad Jordan) writes:
>
>
>>Seriously, with the popularity of the FairyTale stories of Little Mermaid and
>>Beauty and the Beast, I think you will see more classic stories in the
>>future. Aladdin, Sinbad and even Pocahontas appear in that vein of stories.
>>What other classic Fairy Tales are out there that Disney could put a fresh
>>twist on? Rapunzel. And ... I don't think any are coming to me. I'm getting
>>lots of Nursery Rhymes, but not too many Fairy Tales.  I'm excited by Swan
>>Lake and Pocahontas. Those should be interesting. Any other ideas?
>
>
>You know, I always thought that Disney could do a great job adapting opera and
>Shakespeare to animation..."The Magic Flute" and "A Midsummer Night's Dream"
>or both GREAT stories with PLENTY of opportunities for kick-butt animattion.
>It'd also provide Disney with their best bet at flicks that'd work for adults
>AND kids, while conceivably staying within a "G" rating.


That's sounds like a great idea, except that I'd be a bit concerned
about adapting from someone like Shakespeare.  I personally don't mind
if they "bastardize" Shakespeare, but he's something of a legend for
most people.  And I really don't think that Shakespeare's most
popular stories can be adapted without heavy modification. (which
Disney does all the time anyway)  Hamlet or MacBeth, for example, would
probably end up as either another Black Cauldron (which flopped at
the box office) or as an off-beat Touchstone type film--very, very
uncharacteristic, which would likely send masses of movie-goers
running.  As I've said, this is a great idea, but I'm not sure it'd
be practical (IMHO).  But then again, Disney got away with Fantasia,
didn't they?

- Robert Cook
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From: rjf@cbnews.cb.att.com (robert.j.fredette)
Subject: attendance
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:46:18 GMT
Keywords: 1988 figures


    The following is somewhat of a paraphrase of Steve Birnbaum's (I understand
he's the late Mr. Birnbaum. Anyone know under what circumstance, how, when, this
might have happened?) guide. By the way, along with the UNOFFICIAL GUIDE, Mr. 
Birnbaum's official guide to Walt Disney World should really be on any first
timer's reading list. Though these publications answer many, many questions and
I wish I collected royalties, I am not affiliated in any way with either of 
them.

                            PER DAY ATTENDANCE
                    (1988 figures, but you get the idea) 
          Jan thru 1st wk. Feb.........................20,000-30,000
          2nd wk. Feb to President's Day wk............30,000-40,000
          Pres. Day wk.................................40,000-55,000 
          End Pres. Day wk. to college spring breaks...35,000-45,000
          Col. break weeks.............................40,000-50,000
          Weeks surrounding Easter.....................45,000-70,000
          Easter to early June(except Memorial Day)....30,000-65,000
          Late June to late August.....................35,000-65,000
          Late August to Labor Day.....................25,000-45,000
          Sept. thru Nov.(except Thanksgiving).........35,000-60,000
          Thanksgiving to Christmas week...............10,000-25,000
          Christmas thru New Year's Day................50,000-90,000

               15,000.....Private        45,000.....Getting busy
               20,000.....Semi-private   55,000.....Busy
               30,000.....Long lines     75,000+....Crowded
                          but comfy

From personal experience, the last week of Sept. is real quiet. From treasured
photographs, it appears as if us and a few friends were the only guests there.
The days surrounding Columbus Day were comfortable with that weekend picking up 
business considerably. School vacations in April are crowded. A couple of weeks
ago, third week in Aug., it was what I consider busy. My favorite time of year  
to visit WDW is early Oct. With the exception of a tropical storm a fews ago,  
the weather has been very cooperative and the Mon. holiday included, children 
miss only a few days of classes.

           No e-mail please cause thats not me above, this is me below.
********************************************************************************
       I STILL AM JMF (Becky's dad)      | Many thanks to RJF for making his    
  AT&T NETWORK SYS still on loan to BTL  | account available to me from time 
  in user's hell or is it, a user from   | to time. 
  hell, or is it a hell of a user??????  | Joe Fedenyszen       508-960-4566 
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From: rag@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (rhonda.a.gergits)
Subject: Re: FAQ
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:13:12 GMT

In article <997@esosun.UUCP> tanida@esosun.css.gov (Tom Tanida) writes:
>
>I'm not sure why you couldn't get mail to me (in fact, I hope you
>receive this message!).  In any case, there isn't a part two
>(yet).  I was working on it up until mid June and then I had 
>a motherboard failure on my PC (which has all my Disney information
>on it).  I got the board back on Friday, but when I installed it,
>all the partition information on my hard disk was gone (puzzling my PC Tech
>friends), which cost me the weekend restoring it from (outdated)
>backups.
>
>To make a long story short, I hope to work on part 2 of the FAQ
>(about the theme parks) over the next few weeks, and get a working
>version out by Monday, September 14.  It's already about 1/3rd done.
>
>-Tom
>tanida@esosun.css.gov

Thanks for the info.  I'll be looking
forward to Part 2.

I probably couldn't get mail to you
because I probably wasn't using the
correct path.  I tried a couple of
different ways but they all bounced
back.

Thanks again,

Rhonda Gergits
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Little Mermaid
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:53:05 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Aug25.163247.5189@den.mmc.com>, snoopy@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com (Cindy Camp) writes:
> 
> Ok, I figure I am going to get flamed big time for
> this, as I have seen it happen to many others but
> I am going to ask anyway.  I need new copy of
> "The Little Mermaid."  I have looked all over 
> Denver for it and can't find it anywhere.  I remember
> reading several monthes ago when some guy had mentioned
> that he found a place that had several copies on its
> shelves.  Are you still out there?  And are there
> any copies left?


 I'm not sure if I'm the guy you're talking about. About 2 months ago I flamed
someone for trying to get $50 per TLM video. I had, the previous day, seen 
many copies in a trip through the local mall. All were 26.99 and had
always been priced at that. I haven't been back since (actually I have but
I paid little attention to the videos available around the mall) and
I suppose it is possible that all copies are now gone but I doubt it.
I'll try to get by this week and check it out...

> I will gladly pay all costs, plus a little (not
> much as I am pretty broke these days) for anyone
> who is able to get me a copy.

 I'll give it to you for cost and shipping if one is still available...


			gln


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From: emj@super.org (Elaine M Jacobson)
Subject: Re: disabled guests
Summary: Yes, WDW is great, but plan ahead 
Keywords: wheelchairs, WDW 
Organization: Supercomputing Research Center (Bowie, MD)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:30:48 GMT

Joe Fedenyszen writes about how nice in was to be at WDW in spite 
of his daughter's need to use a wheelchair.  As a person who uses
a wheelchair and has visited the great place of magic many times, I 
wholeheartedly agree.  But I'll add my 2 cents in case it might be 
helpful to anyone.  

The `Disabled Guests Guidebook' is a great reference for the Theme Parks. 
                                                             -----------
However, it includes no information on hotels, or transportation to 
or within WDW.  Think about these things too if you are really 
planning a trip and will need to use a wheelchair or have some other 
disability.  Also, the Guidebook is available by mail; just write to 
the usual place

	       Walt Disney World Information 
	       P.O. Box 10040
	       Lake Buena Vista, Florida  32830-0040

Joe says

"All castmembers were more than helpful."
They really are.  And unlike the real world, they really know 
answers to questions and the right way to make things easier. 
Do not hesitate to ask for information or assistance. 


".... when you have a wheelchair, there are no lines."
Well, technically, only the user of the wheelchair and one other 
person get the `no-line' treatment.  If there are more, everyone else 
in the party goes through the regular line while the user of the wheelchair 
waits at a convenient place near the front of the line.  When everyone 
gets to the front of the line, everybody boards.  
I guess these rules are not always strictly followed, but I'm not sure. 
I have only tried it with one other person, so I've enjoyed the 
`no-line' experience.


So plan ahead and plan a lot, and Disney makes most things easier and 
pleasant.  (For those in the know --  even the curb-cuts are 
                          PERFECTLY SMOOTH!)

One additional observation that is another example of 
how Disney does it right: during parades in the Magic Kingdom, there 
are designated wheelchair areas that offer good views of the parade. 
Castmembers make sure that other guests (who are of course mostly 
tall and standing up!) do not stand in front of this area, 
allowing you to enjoy the parade and not continually fight the 
crowds to see it.  Lovely.

Joe & Becky, glad you had a great time!  Have a Disney day.


Elaine, a major Disney addict.
From: lash@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (LINDA A. STARK)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: November weather in WDW
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:48:25 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Happy September,

I'm going to WDW in November and I'd like to know if the weather usually
permits trips to Typhoon Lagoon and River Country.  I don't want to miss these
attractions, but I don't like to swim when it's cold.  Anyone been there at
that time?  Thanks.

                       Lin
From: lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G. Brashear)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Upcoming features
Date: 3 Sep 1992 00:44:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Don't forget, Disney has a long tradition of altering the original stories
for its movie plots, so a story that doesn't seem useable to most people
could still become a Disney film.  Personally, I'd love to see them do a
version of a book I read in elementary school.  It was called "Bunnicula"
and it was about a vampire rabbit.  Not a fairy tale, I'll grant you, but
it was a fun book anyway.  I'll have to check my fairy tale collection to 
see if I can find any other prospects.  
-- 
"Though we adore men individually, we agree that as a group they're rather
stupid"-----Mrs. Banks, -Mary Poppins-
"So we say with confidence, 'The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid.
What can man do to me?'"-----Hebrews 13:6
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Disney alleges 'deception' in 'Beast' suit vs. GoodTimes
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:23:26 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson



 I was thinking a bit more about this issue. I think most everyone agrees 
that if a company releases a version of say BATB *and* places a Disney
character (or some reasonable representation of one) - that is, a character
not in the original story but only produced in the Disney version - then
that company has done something most likely illegal and should be
punished. My concern has more to do with Disney's complaints about
this company releasing versions of the stories around the time of their
theatre releases and before their video releases therefore misleading the
public and so on... now in my opinion there is little that can be done
about this. The company is well within its rights, in my opinion, to
release their tapes and I can't see any way of forcing them to say
something on the order of "THIS IS NOT A DISNEY TAPE!!!" - that would
be foolish. It seems to me that it is up to Disney to counter this
problem if it deems it to be a serious threat or concern. In particular
I would think that a simple ad campaign such as "do not be fooled by
cheap imitations" would suffice. So I guess what I believe it comes down to 
is that it should be Disney's responsibility to deal with the threat
with their dollars outside of court in the market place (again, this
does not refer to the allegation that they put a character on the cover
which resembles a disney character and does not appear in the film it
simply refers to the Disney complaints about the general releasing of
films at or around the time they are releasing their own version in the
theaters.
From: dgalvin@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Dan Galvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: WDW camping
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:40:07 EST
Organization: University of Toledo / Recreation


I am going to Walt Disney World the first week in October.
I have been there a bunch of times, but have never camped there.
Without calling there for concrete information, which I do have some,
I was wondering if anyone has any experience in this experience.
I know hotels are cheap in Orlando this time of year, so cost is not
priority. I just would like to be on Property and a new way of experiencing
the Disney thang.
Any comments are appreciated!

-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Galvin ==========> DGALVIN@uoft02.utoledo.edu
University of Toledo <==> Office of Recreation
RCR0003@uoft01.bitnet / as427@Cleveland.Freenet.edu / 
===========================================================
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From: snopes%club33@stlth.enet.dec.com (snopes)
Subject: 'Aladdin' museum showing
Organization: Just put everything on the floor; I can find it.
Date:  2 SEP 92 18:31:28    


Los Angeles Times
Sunday, August 30, 1992

                     'Aladdin': POOF!  We're in a Museum

   After the strong response to a work-in-progress screening of "Beauty and the
Beast" at last year's New York Film Festival, Disney has decided to show an
unfinished print of Aladdin -- an animated feature based on the Arabian Nights
tale -- at a Museum of Modern Art gala on Sept. 26.
   The museum, says the studio, is a natural.  Not only was Walt Disney a
trustee of the institution, but holding the event at a leading repository of
American arts hits home a point they're trying to make.
   "We'd like to reinforce the idea that animation is an art form," explains
one Disney executive.  "We want people to think of 'Aladdin' as a movie, not a
cartoon -- something you watch on Saturday mornings.  It's not the same battle
we fought last year, though."
   "Beauty and the Beast" makes the task easier.  After winning over critics at
the festival, the movie became the first animated feature to land a best
picture Oscar nomination.  It went on to gross more than $135 million in the
U.S. and Canada alone.
   "Aladdin" will be shown at Manahattan's Loew's Astor Plaza, to be followed
by a reception in the museum sculpture garden.  Tickets will range from $50 for
the screening only to $350 for the film and a supper buffet.
   Scheduled for release in November, the movie is said to be more of a comedy
than "Beauty and the Beast," which will be released on video a month before.
Not surprising, given the fact that Robin Williams is playing the genie in what
amounts to an animated version of himself.
   Early press screenings have spurred talk that Williams should be nominated
for best supporting actor -- although he never actually appears onscreen.
Disney has already contacted the academy with regard to his eligibility and, so
far, the outlook is good.  Though no actor whose voice is dubbed can receive
Oscar consideration, there's no prohibition, it seems, against nominating a
"voice."

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From: anash@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Dana Uehara)
Subject: Re: DarkwingDuck video
Brief-Message:  Found on rec.arts.disney & crossposted to the ranger-list.
Organization: Toonaholics Anonymous, DA-Holics Anonymous
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 17:11:08 HST

>Are there any kind souls out there who'd be willing to record me a tape (video)
>of DarkwingDuck episodes (from US:DisneyAfternoon, Europe:FilmNet)?????????????
>
>I can take both NTSC (US) and PAL (Europe) tapes....
>

-- 
===== Dana Uehara [c/o <anash@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu> (Andrew Nash)] =====
"Why do you not watch where I am going?!"		-- Don Karnage

Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: singg@alf.uib.no (Kurt George Gjerde)
Subject: Re: Upcoming features
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 15:36:19 GMT

In article <37673@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook) writes: 
|> 
|> That's sounds like a great idea, except that I'd be a bit concerned
|> about adapting from someone like Shakespeare.  I personally don't mind
|> if they "bastardize" Shakespeare, but he's something of a legend for
|> most people.  And I really don't think that Shakespeare's most
|> popular stories can be adapted without heavy modification. (which
|> Disney does all the time anyway)  Hamlet or MacBeth, for example, would
|> probably end up as either another Black Cauldron (which flopped at
|> the box office) or as an off-beat Touchstone type film--very, very
|> uncharacteristic, which would likely send masses of movie-goers
|> running.  As I've said, this is a great idea, but I'm not sure it'd
|> be practical (IMHO).  But then again, Disney got away with Fantasia,
|> didn't they?
|> 
|> - Robert Cook

Just for the record:

Disney have adopted great "legendary" writers bofore.

Charles Dickens:

   Mickey's Christmas Carol    (superb!!!!! Best of the 1980's cartoons?)

   Oliver and Company          (well...)



-----
Kurt.
-----
From: casey@Auspex.COM (Casey Cox)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Upcoming features
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:32:29 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

In article <03lnnt_.tyger@netcom.com> tyger@netcom.com (Kitty in the Middle) writes:
>
>Child of Glass:
>
>She begs him for just one dance, when a classical piece she
>recognizes is being played. He reluctantly complies.
>        

I could have sworn this was made into a TV movie. The dance scene was memorable
because there was another real girl that was in love with Alexander, who was
unfortunately rather plain compared with the ghost girl. When she sees
Alex dancing with the ghost, she runs off crying .....


-- 
Casey Cox
Auspex Systems, 2952 Bunker Hill Lane, Santa Clara, CA 95054  
(408) 492-0900  FAX (408) 492-0909  
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 14:36:19 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Subject: Re: Best Age For Kids
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Keywords: 


One more tip concerning taking young kids to Disneywhatever:

	Rent (or bring) a stroller!!!

Yes, I'd even rent a stroller for a 3 year old.  Maybe even 4 (don't
have expereince going that high yet).  He (mine are both boys, so I'm
using the masculine to avoid the cumbersome ``he or she'') will last
longer if he doesn't have to walk everywhere (even at Disneyland, which
is much smaller than the others).  And if a nap becomes essential, the
stroller will be a very handy place to snooze. 

Plus, it's a great place to hang a diaper bag or souvenirs.

Geoff ``Father of two, and counting'' Allen

-- 
Geoff Allen          \  Disneyland is going to be a place where you can't
uunet!pmafire!geoff   \  get lost or tired unless you want to.
geoff@pmafire.inel.gov \                    -- Walt Disney, 1953
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