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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:54:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.182554.2261@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Skip Sauls (skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu) wrote:
>: >
>: >Really?  So how come I can use "cd .." to up a directory level on both DOS
>: >and UNIX, but not on an Amiga?  Who's doing things backwards here?
>:
>: You can use cd .. to go up a level on the Amiga by means of a simple
>: script and an alias:
>:
>: [script/alias deleted]
>:
>
>OK, but that only fixes the cd command.  What about the others?  Also, on
>UNIX I use "cd /" to change to the root directory, and the same command
>does something different on the Amiga.  See, just 'cause it's different don't
>mean it's bad.

You can get replacement shells which are more UNIX-like.

Can you fix the retard-slash in DOS with a replacement shell?

>#ifdef SARCASM
>Let's see now.  UNIX and AmigaOS use "/" for the directory separator, but DOS
>uses "\", so DOS is braindead.  On the other hand, UNIX and DOS use ".." for
>the parent directory, but AmigaOS uses "/", so AmigaOS is braindead.  On the
>third hand, the command for renaming files is "rename" on both AmigaOS and
>DOS, but "mv" on UNIX, so UNIX is braindead.
>#endif

But the DOS rename command is retarded, the Amiga's is not.

As for rename vs mv, there is this nifty feature called "alias" which 
allows you to do an "alias mv rename".  And it works properly.

>Let's see if Skip can take this bashing to a new level of absurdity!

Why not?  Heck, you seem to get off on it, so I'll oblige.

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skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: marv@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Marv Gordon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Blue Line Software
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:25:20 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

No, I wont be in any commercials except of course the new CBM Multimedia
Brochure which in fact does highlight 4 users with innovative solutions using
the Amiga. It just came back from the printers about 1 week ago.  I imagine
the dealers will have them real soon.  It's every bit as good as any Marketing
stuff you see out of Apple, IBM etc.......

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From: pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Date: 19 Jan 1993 12:51:49 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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In article <1jgd9vINN3j6@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu> tbrown@cis.ohio-state.edu (ted croft brown) writes:

>>  The PowerPC 601 machines WILL be Macs.  They will run Mac software.
>>Apple's future IS the PowerPC - it's the only way they're going to
>>keep ahead of Intel based machines.
>
>I think the future of Intel machines might be overrated.  Even Microsoft is
>courting the heavies of MIPS and DEC.  Sun already has a fully functioning
>Color workstation selling for ~$3600.  I don't think that HP is far from
>behind either.  (So sue me if the Sun price is only for lots twelve+.)

If Windows NT is successful as a multiplatform OS, then it's
conceivable we could see a gradual phaseout of the Intel x86
architecture.  In that case Intel would be in *deep* s***t.  They have
nothing to replace the x86 as a cash cow.

But I don't think a huge number of Intel users are going to switch
over to UNIX workstations just based on price alone.  If there are
successful RISC PC's that run NT (and therefore run x86 Windows
software), then you might see a switch to RISC, but not before then,
IMHO.

>Somebody has to dismount Microsoft's stranglehold on the computer industry.

IMHO, the only way this will happen in the near term is if NT turns
out to be a major screwup/disaster that takes years to correct.  This
would leave MS seriously vulnerable in the networking arena, among
other things.  Even in that case, given all the delays the other
competitors are having, it might only make the race dead even.

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 26 Jan 1993 17:12:14 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <1993Jan26.155238.23963@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, Jerry Shekhel (jerry@msi.com) wrote:
: I never said that it's difficult to use a "goto".  I merely said that it's
: too easy to use it the wrong way.

That could easily be said about ANYTHING, now, couldn't it?  Your bias
against "goto" as a viable statement is apparent.

: From what I've seen in my experience, most of the time it's used, it's abused.

Then perhaps your experience is limited.

: That's irrelevant.  It's still possible (and all too easy) to use "goto" in
: EVERY place where structured code is appropriate.

So you take your limited experience (and by default, _ANY_ experience is
limited), and place it against a world of others, simply because you've
seen examples of bad code?  Don't you see the error in that?

You canNOT deny that there are good uses for goto.  Your experiences with
goto are irrelevant in this, because good uses exist.  No matter _HOW_
you feel about it.  This isn't the place to be bringing up opinions, just
because you feel that you've had to try to decipher all to many times
what someone was trying to do in a procedure because they used a few too
many gotos.

Greg

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From: das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: MAC, PC or Amiga?
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:00:41 GMT

Needless to say, we all wish we could afford to buy the best of all
three?
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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Comdex/Quicktime released for the PC
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:41:07 GMT
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Dr Peter Kittel Germany (peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com) wrote:
: >
: >You are lying, Peter. 
: >Jerry never said x86 is far superior to  680x0.
:
: Sorry, I can't back this up *in the moment*. But then, perhaps I again
: will stuble across such a file. I'm sure I remember correctly.
:

No, Peter, you remember incorrectly.  I was always saying that although
the 040 may be a bit faster overall (considering its floating-point speed),
the two chips are close enough that there's no need to bash one or the other.
How you read this as "the x86 is far superior to the 040" I'll never know.

This is what gets me about this newsgroup.  I try to be unbiased, but all
people can do is call me names and lie about my statements.

:
: Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
:
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From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: Move
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 25 Jan 93 06:25:20 GMT

suopanki@stekt5.oulu.fi (Heikki T. Suopanki) writes:


>I think either you or Business Week got it wrong.
>Maybe they said that "20% of UNIX boxes are Intel based"?? Although that
>figure sounds too low.

  That sounds about right to me.  It's my experience that most Intel
UNIX boxes are set up in things like dentists/doctors/small companies,
doing accounting, and hence they run a lot of dumb terminals off a
central 386/486 box running SCO Unix or Xenix.  Hence, you can have a
lot of Intel UNIX users (on the dumb terminals), but only a small
number of actual Intel machines.

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From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:23:13 GMT

In article <1jn4ikINN7rh@phakt.usc.edu> dleslie@phakt.usc.edu (David Leslie) writes:

>	So, which do you drive, electric, or natural gas powered? I'm
>sure with such strong opinions you would never get in a gas powered
>vehicle. Say, how long can you drive an electric car with the radio
>and heater and windshield wipers and defroster on? About 2 hours? 
>Uphill? 45 minutes? What if you want visit Grandma in the next county,
>guess you have to buy a second(gas) car for those special occasions.

	My car has a range of 500 miles on a 25 gallon tank. Most cars
have 12-15 gallons and get a range of 350 miles. Electric cars are pushing
250-300 miles in range today. With new quick charge batteries, induction
recharging, and hybrid engines, your car range has been extended to thousands
and thousands of miles.

	Recent batteries recharge in minutes to 50%. Hybrid engines contain
small gas engines, such as a one cylinder engine which could recharge the
batteries or work in conjunction with it. Induction is a method where
the recharging system is implanted within the road surface such that cars
are charged while they are driving, without the driver knowing it, and 
without contact between the road and the car.

	My car doesn't have 300 horsepower, and it doesn't do 0-60 in
4 seconds, but that last thing we need is reckless drivers anyway. :)
Electric cars also achieve 80mph/ 130kmph with no problem. And they
are very very quiet.

	One poster suggested that this will only redirect pollution to
the electric companies that run on fossil fuels. Well, it is easier to
fix one electric plant than the 6 million cars sold every year in the US.

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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:26:29 GMT
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E.A. Story (eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu) wrote:
: >
: >By your own admission, your experiment was inconclusive.  Now, you may say
: >that you were right all you want, like a broken record, but you still
: >haven't provided any proof.
:
: But Andy HAS... You chose to ignore it.  You're a Bulls**tter, plain and
: simple.
:

Wrong.  Greg admitted that his experiment was inconclusive, and Andy has
said nothing on that particular subject (Greg's alleged DOS-purging Windows
app).  You're a moron who refuses to read, plain and simple.

: >
: >Andy makes a living off which stuff?  Creating Windows and OS/2 applications?
: >Developing Windows and OS/2?  Funny, I don't see "microsoft.com" or "ibm.com"
: >in his mail path.
:
: No, I think you know what he's talking about, and I think you see a
: relevence.  You're wrong and you won't admit it.  You know s**t and you
: won't admit it.  
:

Thanks for telling me how I feel and what I think.  Let me guess --
psychologist?  Psychiatrist?  Betazoid?!

: >
: >Now you're really talking out of your backside, 'kay?  What sources have you
: >quoted lately, Greg?
:
: Deverting the question, eh?  again..WHAT sources have you posted?????
:

Why should I quote him sources?  He accused me, and has provided zero proof
his own.  If you think I'm under some sort of obligation, guess again.
You're a US resident; you should be familiar with our preferred rules of
evidence.

:
: Ezra Story, a student at RIT, and
:
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From: douddy@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Electric cars and Al Gore
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:53:15 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <105906@netnews.upenn.edu>, tsai@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Joe Tsai) writes:
> I agree completely with Gore.  It is indeed true that internal combustion 
> engines contribute an extremely significant portion of pollution in the world,
> not to mention deplete unrenewable fossil fuels.  And no internal combustion
> engines does NOT mean no more cars.  Cars can run just fine on electricity, and
> in fact do so much more efficiently than gasoline cars.  As a matter of fact,
	Electric does not mean POLLUTION FREE, it means POLLUTION DISPLACEMENT. 
Where does energy come from?  Coal burning plants, Nuclear Plants, and Solar
sources (sun, wind, hydro).  In most of the united states most of our energy is
coming from coal... going to electric cars would not decrease worldwide
pollution one bit.

> electric cars SHOULD be available for the average Joe RIGHT NOW, if it weren't
> for the fact that the petroleum companies pump countless hundreds of millions
> of dollars to make sure that the R&D and production of electric cars gets
	The primary problem with the eletric car is its battery powered range
and its crash worthiness.  The maximum range for the electric car is under 200
miles.  Until rechargeable battery technology improves (or every gas station
serves liquid nitrogen) that range is not going to change.  200 miles in one
day (with a overnight recharge) for a car that costs more than a conventional
model is not something that will fly with consumers.
	Take any eletric car to date and immagine it crashing into a vintage
gas guzzler.. what do you think will happen to the carbon fiber composite
car... hmmm... I bet the driver will be able to get out without a scratch, the
driver of the gas guzzler that is.

> Joe	tsai@eniac.seas.upenn.edu

Dustan Doud
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: damiel@netcom.com (Paul Theodoropoulos)
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:00:36 GMT

In <C1FK08.Evx@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:

>   Your arguments fall to pieces when exposed to the air of reality. 


"the air of reality"? air?? i dunno. i suppose that by and large
there's nothing *wrong* per se in that figure of speech. but don't
most people say "the light of reality" or something along the lines 
pertaining to illumination, especially when paired with the transitive
verb _exposed_? but what do i know - all i have is a high school
diploma...them there kollidge ejakated doods probbly knows beter then me.

oh well. just another example of a well-rounded education, i guess. i 
shouldn't be surprised - coming from a person who quotes variously
himself and a comic strip in his .signature....


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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Douglas Adams speaks
Date: 23 Jan 1993 19:43:32 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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And now that the solution to Life, the Universe, and Everything has
been completed, the Vogons are coming to recite poetry and destroy our
planet.

:)

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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons)
Subject: Re: Global Warming?
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:52:17 GMT
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David Tiberio (dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:
: 	RE: Earth's temp raising by .5 degrees...I meanto say in the past
: 100 years not in the past year.

: 	WARNING: DO NOT FOLLOW UP TO THIS ARTICLE OR YOU WILL REGRET IT! :)
How come?  =)

Do the misc.test people get upset when you follow up to articles that have
nothing to do with their group on their group?

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 28 Jan 1993 00:31:28 GMT
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In article <1993Jan27.152941.19608@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, Charles C. Bundy (ccb8m@beech.cs.Virginia.EDU) wrote:
: No matter how hard you push, it is the nature of living organisms to
: soil their environment.  This limits the population expansion and is

Well, yes, we shit all over the place.  But that's NATURAL.  :)

Seriously, I think destroying hundreds of square miles of forests and
turning our world to a chemist's nightmare is giong a long way beyond the
"nature of living organisms".

: therfore good.  Carried to its ultimate conclusion we will make
: ourselves extinct.  No one will be sitting back and "watching" one

Unfortunately, it's possible.  All too easily.

: "side" vs another.  We are all in the same pickle jar and will all be 
: dead, capitalists and "eco-freaks" alike.  This is not a war...

That depends.  To the ones who don't want to see it happen, it is.
Unfortunately, it's a war against capitalism, which makes it all the less
likely.  After all, money makes the world go round...

: P.S.  A million years doesn't mean SHIT to Mama Earth, she has watched
:       3.8 BILLION years go by and is good for another 2-5 before any
:       drastic changes occur.   All that nuclear waste is good for her
:       if it gets rid of US according to your argument...

That would be assuming that Mother Earth wants to KILL every living thing
on the planet.  I personally disagree.  I don't believe that it's right
to go, and take every other living thing on the planet with us.

Call me a nut, but I don't feel homocidal enough for that.  :)

Greg

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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Game content Re: PCheads go *thud* Re: Amigan-whalloping Re: An Amigan does it *again*
Date: 25 Jan 1993 03:52:49 GMT
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'>So Ultima Underworld wouldn't have even needed a story.  If they'd
'>have given you monsters and some holes to crawl down, you'd get
'>endless hours of enjoyment out of it?  No, the story means a lot.

	Yes, it does mean a lot, and Ultima Underworld has a pretty good
   story to tell IMO.  It just happens to have the best 3d adventure
   environment also.  You seem to think that all flashy graphic games, by
   definition, have a lousy storyline.  I think Origin did an excellent
   job on both.

'>Ultima Underworld has 10x the flash of BTIII, but none of the story's
'>fascination.  When the graphics wear off, you're left with a game that
'>sits on your hard drive, collecting rare amounts of dust.

	Maybe the regular Ultima series, but not Ultima Underworld.  The
   story is simply enhanced by the wonderful graphics.  By the way, the 
   graphics have not wore off me yet and I'm on the 5th dimensional world
   of the sequel.

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu

'>Greg
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