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Subject: Iago hand-puppets
From: eric.troup@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (Eric Troup) 
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:18:00 GMT
Reply-To: eric.troup@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (Eric Troup) 
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Could somebody PLEASE help me?!?

I was wandering through a record store at the Main PLace mall in Santa
Ana California (where I live) and saw in their Aladdin display a
couple of Genie and Iago hand-puppets.  At the time, I didn't have
enough money to purchase an Iago puppet.  Now, the store doesn't have
anymore and Applause (sp?), the company that makes them, won't let the
store order anymore!  I've looked through toystores and Disney stores
all over the area.  No luck.  I've even gone to Disneyland looking for
these things, but I can't find them!  I'm climbing the walls!
Literally!  In fact, not only can I not find any of the Iago
hand-puppets, I can hardly find any Iago merchandise at all!  My
favorite character in Aladdin is severely under-rated!
WWAAAAAAAAAH!!!  (Rark)  If anybody can help me find a couple of those
Iago hand-puppets (My friend really wants one too) let me know.
Remember, though, we live in Southern California, so a store in New
Jersey or something won't help too much.  Thanks a lot.

... cross-posted from alt.swedish.chef.bork.bork.bork.
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From: phase@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Phase)
Subject: commercialism
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:35:07 GMT


  Okay,
To further illistruate why Disney will is going downhill,
let me use this example.
  Since we know that Disney makes more money Marketing, Liscinesing,
selling soundtraks, clothes, videos, and vhs versions of thier films
nowadays , than they do at the box-office (much more $$$ commercializing).
The films HAVE to be made to be pop-icons that appear on everything
from toothpaste to t-shirts. Most of you argue that this has no effect on
the genre and quality of the film, I have to dissagree.
    Let us take the example of Fantasia and Pinochio (two of the very finest
animated films ever made). If it was 1993, and the dinesy production folks
had the idea for either of these two films, and the script and finished film
would turn out to be EXACTLY the same (we are asuming that Fantasia and
Pinochio had never been made) as the two that we know today, would they go
ahead and produce them???
   No.
  They would not even seriously consider developing them!
(I have heard of plans of fantasia 2, but I knwo nothing more)
If they were to try and write another Pinochio, they would tell them not to.
Why?
   Marketing. Pinocio isin't a sappy love story. Young children won't
idolize and want to dress as him on halloween. "When you wish upon a Star"
wouldn't hit the teeny-pop top 40 airwaves, and sell lots of soundtracks at
the pop section, Fantasia doesn't make good brekfast cerals, and pinochio
just can't be made into a pop-culture icon that will fit nicely on
Toothbrushes, Fantasia wouldn't do too well as a 'Disney on Ice Show'.

 Back in the older days, if it was an excellect film, that's all that
mattered. Now, if it can't create a media-blitz, imminentley marketable,
commercialized blitzerkrieg of cash income- IT WON"T EVEN BE CONSIDERED.

    Hope they make another Pinochio, but doubts they will,
                        phase@cybernet.cse.fau.edu

p.s. Now, it's as if Aladdin is a 2 hour commercial for all
   the Aladdin products it was written as a vehicle to sell.

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From: dsblack@iastate.edu (Vilkata TDK)
Subject: Re: beauty's song
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:31:16 GMT

In <1993Jan21.162105.630@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st923288@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:

>In the song "Belle" in BatB, so sings: "here's where she meets Prince Charming/but she won't discover that it's him 'til chapter three".
>It sounds like the "prince in disguise" idea is BatB, but she doesn't really
>discover that Beast is a prince until later in the story than what you could
>consider chapter three. In fact, she doesn't even meet beast until what could be considered after chapter three. What other fairy tale could she be talking 
>about? Any ideas?

I think it was BatB.  She _did_ see the painting of him when she went into the
West Wing, although I'm not sure if that was Chapter 3.  It _was_ kinda early,
though.  She's smart enough that she probably would have pieced it together.
Note that this doesn't mean she'd know he could be transformed back.
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From: atzachar@unix.amherst.edu (Aladdin)
Subject: Re: Disney Studios Tour?
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 05:34:44 GMT

Robert Cook (rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu) wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know whether Disney's west coast animation department
> has been moved back to the studio's main lot from Glendale?  They
> said they'd do that once the new executive office building is
> complete.

Not yet.  I think they're hoping to do that later this year.

--
	** Ala"ddi"n **

	"There will be riches and magical places
	 A private oasis out there in the sands..."
From: mousktr@carson.u.washington.edu (Denise "ABU" Lockner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: DL Toontown opening/dedication question
Date: 22 Jan 1993 02:14:18 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

In article <C171Jq.9rC@cs.uiuc.edu> rglaeser@uiuc.edu writes:
>All I know is that I saw it on new year's eve.
>Things to not miss:
>1) police phone
>2) mailbox
>3) sewer cover
>4) the bottom button in the top of the ship
>5) Minnie's refrigerator
[B
Best photo ops: the "falling safe zone"!! (got me one o' those)i
                the Toon cars (especially if you catch a character in one)oill 

  
I won't spoil the fun by telling you what they all do.
>
>Also, the roller coaster is only 50 seconds long, not worth the hour wait, IMHO

   I AGREE. Definitely a kiddee coaster.  I say we adults wait fortla
   Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin in the summer.iit
   >
>My overall impression:  It looked like toontown.  I think they could have done
>better with Mickey and Minnies houses, which are just walk-throughs, but the
>whole thing was a lot of fun, if a little on the small side.

The memorabilia in Mickey's house is wonderful, but with pushy (and tall)oute
crowds, guests will miss out on most of it.  Same with Minnie's kitchen.Mi,oi>
A very big hint for adults:  DON'T GO INSIDE CHIP AND DALE'S TREEHOUSE,ERKSSNDofr
the exit is made for children and gave even ME bruises (I'm 5'1"!)...or at'was adul>
least attempt at your own risk....u

>Russ Glaeser
>rglaeser@uiuc.edu


-Denise (have I "lightened up", squid?)loigh
********
"If you can't say something nice...don't say nothin' at all." -THUMPERa ;t d yo

"I just got cuffed again....
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From: clayson@xenomorph.Eng.Sun.COM (Mathew Clayson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Disney Store Franchises
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:25:17 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: clayson@xenomorph.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: xenomorph

It's true that the Disney Stores are owned by said company, but you can still sell
Disney merchandise in other stores. In the SFbay area there are 5 D stores that I
know of, this leaves a lot of malls with a need to be filled. At the Newpark Mall
in Newark there's a store called Goofy Gifts or something like that. I don't think
it's Disney owned because they sell stuff from non-Disney films as well as Disney.
If you open a store like Sun Coast Video, you could specialize in animation products.

Mat
From: st923288@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: re: re:upcoming disney features animated
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:04:41 GMT
Reply-To: st923288@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

Jeff-
Not only is Pochahontas scheduled to be the next animated Dis. release, but
the studio has plans to keep the well-known UNHAPPY ending. I'm not so sure
about this.
Love y'all,
Erika Lindsay
From: atzachar@unix.amherst.edu (Aladdin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Brad Kane question
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:15:11 GMT
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Bill Felty (WHFELT01@UKCC.UKY.EDU) wrote:
> Hello.  I have a question that I thought you Disney fans might be able to
> answer:  I am curious about the singing voice of "Aladdin"--Brad Kane.  Does
> anyone know the background on this fellow?  Where might we have seen him
> act, or heard him sing before?  Any info would be appreciated!

Recognize the line: "Silly rabbit!  Trix are for kids!"
--
	** Ala"ddi"n **

	"There will be riches and magical places
	 A private oasis out there in the sands..."
From: rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Beauty and the Beast
Date: 23 Jan 93 22:22:40 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1993Jan22.153801.20472@ncsu.edu> cdsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER DALE SMITH) writes:
>
> Did anyone else notice that Belle's fingernails
> were long/short throughout the movie.
>In some scenes they are long, in others, short. 
> Does she use Lee press-on nails or did different
> animators not have the finger thing straight?

Yes, I thought at first that her fingernails actually GREW during
the film!  "What incredible attention to detail Disney has! [and what
fast-growing nails Belle has!]" I thought.  But I don't think that
it quite works out that way.  Oh darn, I'll have to look now.
<sigh> ;-)


- Robert "The Mad Manicurist" Cook
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From: ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Sean Alan Squier)
Subject: Re: Inconsistency in Aladdin.
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:51:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.205018.19523@news.acns.nwu.edu> mhw@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mike Murphy) writes:
>In article <90969@bcsaic.boeing.com> vanover@bcsaic.boeing.com (Jann VanOver) writes:
>>jhp@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US (Jim H. Puga) writes:
>>>
>>>When Aladdin and Princess Jasmine are flying on the carpet
>>>during "A Whole New World," they fly across a full moon(Wonder
>>>which movie that's from?).  Later when the song nears the end,
>>>at the spot where the two hold hands and we see the reflections
>>>of the fireworks on the water, the moon is CRESCENT SHAPED!!
>>>
>>>My only plausible answer is that there was a lunar eclipse going
>>>on.
>>>
>>>Spooky, isn't it?
>>>
>>Yea, this has been discussed quite a bit here.  Someone suggested that
>>they must be travelling fast enough to be in some kind of time warp and
>>that explains the moon bit.  Just keep telling yourself IOADM (It's Only
>>a Disney Movie!)
>
>Ummmmmmm.. what about the possibility that they're in two different spots when
>the moon is showing (say, Arabia and then China--I can't remember exactly
>where they went), and since the moon's phases would be completely different in
			
					no it woudn't

>those two spots... the problem is solved!

Sorry, but that is the whole point!  The moon's phase is consistent
across the globe..That's why it's phase cycle takes a full month.  The
moon is in the same phase everywhere because it is in the same
relative position to the earth and the sun no matter where you are on
the earth.

At least that's what I learned in A200 4 years ago.


Sean Squier
(Future CEO - The Walt Disney Company)
ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
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From: riouxp@rs6213.ecs.rpi.edu (Peter Joseph Rioux)
Subject: Re: WANTED:  Disney VHS Movies
Reply-To: riouxp@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:41:05 GMT

umm.. this probly shouldn't be on here.. but whre else would i put it???
i have copies of all of those movies .. (l+t.. etc...).... and if anybody would like a copy of my copy, just send me some e-mail.. we will work something out....

SQUID
(guessed right again.. boy, your getting good...:)
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From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Lyrics to Gaston's Song
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:50:20 GMT

I've been trying to transcribe the lyrics to "Gaston's Song" from my
copy of BEAUTY AND THE BEAST, but there are just a couple of lines
that are completely incoherent.  Can anyone help me out?  Here's what
I have:

Gosh, it disturbs me to see you, Gaston
Looking so down in the dumps.
Every guy here'd love to BE you, Gaston
Even when taking your lumps.

There's no man in town as admired as you,
You're everyone's favorite guy.
Everyone's awed and inspired by you,
And it's not very hard to see why:

No one's slick as Gaston,
No one's quick as Gaston,
No one's neck's as incredibly thick as Gaston,
For there's no man in town half as manly:
Perfect, a pure paragon!
You can ask any Tom, Dick or Stanley
And they'll tell you whose team they'd prefer to be on.

No one's big like Gaston,
???
No one's got a swell cleft in his chin like Gaston.
"As a specimen, yes, I'm intimidating."
???? No one's a guy like Gaston
Give five hurrahs, give ten hip hips,
Gaston is the best and the rest is all drips!

No one fights like Gaston,
Douses lights like Gaston,
In a wrestling match, nobody bites like Gaston!
For there's no one as burly and brawny.
"As you see, I've got biceps to spare."
Not a bit of him's scraggly or scrawny.
"That's right, and every last inch of me's covered with HAIR!"

No one hits like Gaston,
Matches wits like Gaston,
In a spitting match, nobody spits like Gaston.
"I'm especially good at expectorating."
Ten points for Gaston!

"When I was a lad, I ate four dozen eggs
 Every morning to help me get large.
 And now that I'm grown, I eat five dozen eggs
 So I'm roughly the size of a barge!"

No one shoots like Gaston,
Makes those fewts (?) like Gaston,
Then goes tromping around wearing boots like Gaston.
"I use antlers in all of my decorating."
Oh, what a guy: Gaston!
-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
From: IEBF94S@tjuvm.tju.edu (Craig Doerrmann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Alternate access to r.a.d
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:16:41 GMT
Organization: Thomas Jefferson University

OK, for those who are interested...
 
I usually access the gopher server at the University of Minnesota, which
can be accessed by anonymous telnet at hafnhaf.micro.umn.edu.  For those
on 3270-type terminals without a control key, telnet to an alternate
access at pubinfo.ais.umn.edu, and select gopher from the menu.  Their
USENET reader is located under the NEWS heading, under USENET NEWS, but
it doesn't work.  I've sent them mail to find out why.  What you can do,
however, is to access alternate gopher servers from the gopher menu,
and select another gopher that does have a working USENET reader.  The
first one I found was the University of Missouri - Rolla.  You can read
a variety of USENET lists in threaded or unthreaded format.  I haven't
figured out if you can post or mail, but at least you can read.
 
Obviously, for those of use reading this message, there are better and
faster ways to read r.a.d.  But if someone can figure out who posted
originally asking for alternate access, this may be useful.  Any
comments/suggestions are welcome.
 
See ya,
Craig Doerrmann
Internet: iebf94s@tjuvm.tju.edu   Bitnet: iebf94s@tjuvm
From: mousktr@carson.u.washington.edu (Denise "ABU" Lockner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: What's with the HOSTILITY? (My first flame-war!)
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:59:31 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

In article <1k4sviINNkes@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G. Brashear) writes:
>
>Phase, I don't mean to criticize, but don't you think that "disney
>FAGS" is perhaps a little uncalled for, not to mention offensive to
>at least a few people?  If you want to protest the way someone responds
>to your posts, you really should be more civilized about it.  As it is
>
>Everyone in general, when posting, keep these thoughts in mind:
>"Two wrongs don't make a right"
>"If you can't say something nice, don't say nothin' at all."

  (who said that??)

>Not that I mean to sound like a goody-two-shoes, but really, we're all
>adults here.  We can be civil to each other, even when voicing opposing
>points of view.  It will make this newsgroup a much nicer place to visit,
>and improve the property values of those of us who live here.  Thank you

>Linda


Amen. In my opinion, anyone who calls complete strangers who disagree
with him "Disney fags" does not deserve a response and waste of
"valuable bandwith" (I love saying that).

-Denise
********
"If you can't say something nice...don't say nothin' at all." -THUMPER
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From: cscon134@uoft02.utoledo.edu (John Heiden UNIVERSITY OF TOLEDO)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: UPCOMING ANIMATED FEATURES
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:12:46 GMT
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <44065@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook) writes:
> In article <4900@moscom.com> jrjj@moscom.com (Jad Jordan) writes:
>>
>>The 1992 Annual Report issued to stockholders said after Pocahontas, the new
>>goal was 2 animated features a year. (Or was it every year and a half? Sorry -
>>Alzheimers :-). Personally I think they are stretching for ideas. 
> 
> That's probably why Disney has two production facilities (at Glendale
> and WDW).  The Lion King is delayed until mid-1994, of course, which
> would place its release about six months away from Pocahontas,
> assuming that they release that in late 1994.
> 
> 
> - Robert Cook
-- 
================================================================================
From what I've heard, Disney does plan to run both production facilities
with each making DIFFERENT animated features in the near future.
I heard it might not be until 1994 or 1995 before this happens, though.
They are still in the process of hiring more animators.  But, quite a
few animators have ALREADY been brought into WDW in the last 6 months.


John Heiden
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                                       Dept. of Computer Services

CSCON134@Uoft02.UTOLEDO.EDU            The University of Toledo
CSCON134@Uoft02.BITNET                 Toledo, Ohio     U.S.A.
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From: quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal)
Subject: Re: are mermaids fish... the long awaited ANSWER!!!!!
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:37:21 GMT

In <1jse6uINN9tl@bigboote.WPI.EDU> drwho@edwards.WPI.EDU (Eric Ant Von Laudermann) writes:

>Maybe mermaids are both fish *and* mammal.  After all, platypuses
>exist. (platypi?)
Um,  WHAT?  Are you saying that platypuses are half mammal, half fish?
Have you *seen* a platypus lately?  (The old monotreme discussion has
already gone around this group once.)

>a. Merfolk are half *dolphin*, thus being all-mammal, with a
>horizontal tail, but no scales.

problem 1: They do have scales.  Look closely as Sebastian prances about
on Ariel's tail in "Under the Sea".
problem 2: Dolphins aren't green, pink, red, yellow, blue, . . . .

>b. What's all this "half-human" crap?  A mermaid is all-mermaid.  It's
>not like someone chopped up two creatures and stuck them together.  A
>mermaid belongs to, er, whatever class or phyllum fish belong to,
>but their upper halves are *shaped* like a human.  Merfolk have
>vertical tails, but no breasts.  (Hey!  You can't say that here, this
>is a family newsgroup!)

problem 1: Merfolk have horizontal tails.
problem 2: Merfolk have warm blood.  (Someone gave a reason for this,
out of the TLM series I think.)
problem 3: Merfolk don't have gills.
problem 4: Yes, you *can* say breasts.  Breasts breasts breasts breasts.
See?

>c. Therer's no such thing as mermaids.  (Of course, this possibility
>is the one I find the least desirable.)

problems 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6: I don't believe you! :)

Tim Pickett
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From: limmej@rs6211.ecs.rpi.edu (Joel D. Limmer)
Subject: Re: Foreshadowing
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:14:29 GMT

vexar@watserv.ucr.edu (Joe C Solinsky) writes:

>I checked my source on this, so it is valid.
>In the bookstore scene in BatB, Belle talks about her favorite book.  She is  
>blatantly describing a prince who disguises himself, mystical powers and  
>far-off places, and enchanting princess locked in a castle and so on.
>Does that sound like anything we've seen?
>I invite people to watch Aladdin for this.  I would bet money there is a  
>foreshadowing of whatever's next in it as well.
>-Joe Solinsky

Doubtless this has been covered before, as I started reading this group
recently, but does anyone know all the allusions to _previous_ movies in
Aladdin (backshadowing?)?  I counted at least 3, including Pinokio :),
Sebastian from TLM--and the Greek pond with the domed building on the island
reminded me of Fantasia (Pastorale Symphony).  I remember seeing others
but have forgotten what they were.
-- 
   | 	Joel Limmer			   | "Let the one who is without sin
 --+--	Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute   |  cast the first stone."
   |	limmej@rpi.edu			   | WHACK!!
   |					   | "Mom, cut it out!"
From: rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: How about ANIMATED Disney Movies
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:57:10 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1jurrgINN2nj@mozz.unh.edu> ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink) writes:
>>>Will they EVER release the Balck Cauldron on video?  I've only ever seen
>>>it once, and would kill to see it again.
>>
>>No.  From what I have heard it will probably never be released.  For
>>different reasons, Song of the South will never be rereleased as well.
>
>I understand the reasons behind "Song of the South" (though believe them to
>be thoroughly unjustified), but what possible reasons could there be for
>not re-releasing "The Black Cauldron" ?

I wouldn't say that Disney will NEVER re-release The Black Cauldron.
After all, it has yet to earn back its $25 million cost.  However, it
could be argued that the film goes against Disney's image.  Also, it
was one of the first losses that the current Disney top management had
to write off.  TBC was released in 1985, and, I guess, is still
waiting for Disney to find a way or the right time to remarket the
film.  They can't pass up a buck--it's only a matter of time.


- Robert Cook
From: ddulmage@igc.apc.org (Doug Dulmage)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Disney and CAPPS
Date: 23 Jan 93 06:11:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:g8mLXB14w165w@batpad.lgb.ca.us:-218707933:cdp:1447100012:000:392
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!ddulmage    Jan 22 22:11:00 1993


Well, like a lot of stuff, if I told you about CAPS, I'd have to kill you
.... Still wanna know! Actually, anyone who tells you that they know about
CAPS is violating their non-disclosure, sooo... I don't know anything
about it... and don't believe anyone that claims to be an expert, there
either lying, are idiots for violating their contract, or do special "favors"
for Michael Eisner...