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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:12:41 EST
From: Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: proof of the need for better sex education
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>->The woman hung out a sign that said "baby welcome"
>->when she had sex.

>oh my. this is one good reason people should study sex
>education before talking about abortion.

Absolutely.   I can't believe there are still some pubilc schools which don't
encourage pregnant girls to get abortions.  Shocking.

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Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
Keywords: abortion
Organization: Who, me???
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:23:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.155238.7975@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.092845.2048@hobbes.kzoo.edu> k044477@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Jamie R. McCarthy) writes:
>>
>>Yet a woman can't kill an intruder in her own _body_!?
>
>The woman hung out a sign that said "baby welcome" when she had sex.  It 
>is one of those laws of nature, when women have sex, babies will result.  
>Not always, but sometimes.  Therefore, if the baby would be an intruder, 
>then don't hang out the welcome sign.

Nope. The woman hung out a sign (if any) that said 

	potential temporary lodging for z/e/f, revocable at will by owner; 
	non-viable z/e/f's reside at their own peril

You and your z/e/f pals don't seem to be very adept at reading these "signs"...

								- Kevin
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From: shallit@graceland.uwaterloo.ca (Jeffrey Shallit)
Subject: Re: using the bible to advance bigotry
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:44:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.174811.3015@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> wgb3@pyuxf.uucp (25336-buoni) writes:
>Actually, I am not.  But I am the authority over my children, or are you 
>suggesting that the state step in and teach me the TRUE way?

Are you the authority over your children?

That depends.  Do you abuse them?  If so, then the state can take
them away.

Do you refuse them needed medical care on the basis of your religious belief?
Then, at least in some places, the state can take them and give them
the care they deserve.

I would argue that the state has a compelling interest that its
citizens be educated.  Just as the Supreme Court decisions of a
generation ago forced schools to be integrated (and hence denied
parents' "rights" to educational apartheid), today's intolerant
climate demands that children be told that homosexuals exist
and that they should be treated with respect.

>Sounds like you are a very resentful and unhappy individual.

Ahh, the favorite argument of the believers.  Those who don't believe
MUST be "resentful and unhappy".  

Thank you very much, I am quite happy.   I have a job I like and I'm
married to a woman I love. 

What makes me unhappy is when people like Mr. Buoni indoctrinate
their kids to despise homosexuals, and threaten violence when they
are unable to do so.

What makes me unhappy is when people like Mr. Buoni raise a
generation of scientific illiterates by stripping evolution from
the textbooks and replacing it with creationism.

>>It's intolerant people like Mr. Buoni that caused the death of homosexuals
>>like Alan Turing.  I suggest you read about how he died, Mr. Buoni--
>>it might open your eyes about the kinds of the things that homosexuals
>>go through.
>
>And it was hateful people like you that caused the death of my Lord.  I 
>suggest you read about how he died Mr. "I hate any and all intolerant, 
>closed minded, ignorant, basterds who don't think like me", it might open
>your eyes to a world so wonderful that you won't have to hate anymore.

When in doubt, try to convert the heathen, eh?  I didn't say anything
at all like what you put in quotes and attribute to me.   I was raised
as a Christian, so I know about the story of the death of Christ.
How it is relevant to homosexuality is beyond me.  The death of
Alan Turing *is* relevant, however.  Have you read about it yet?

>I'll keep you in my prayers.

Good -- the more time you waste praying to a nonexistent "god", the
less time you have to teach your kids that homosexuals don't deserve
the same rights as everyone else.

>Bill Buoni

Jeff Shallit
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From: woodard@figment.tmc.edu (Chris Woodard)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Berserk Sex Maniacs (was  Re: Lifestyle Choices)
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:04:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of South Florida, Department of Computer Science and Engineering


All right now, isn't this XXX-rated National Geographic Special getting a
little silly?  The real reason for the existence of much of this thread is:

[1]  A key argument for discrmination against gays is that their actions are
     somehow "not natural".

[2]  The fact that homosexual behavior is found in many species of animals and
     birds disproves assertion [1] (if homosexuality is found in nature, with
     no enculturation to blame, then how can it be "not natural")?

The mouth-foaming homophobes who want to bash "queers" and "faggots" have to
find some other way to rationalize their stupid bigotry, and it upsets them.
So, we see lots of chin-wagging and gum-beating about gang-rape and other
animal sexual behavior.

Chris Woodard

The opinions expressed here are mine; however, they are infallibly correct
(take that, Rush).
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
From: mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran)
Subject: Re: proof of the need for better sex education
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 01:49:20 GMT

In article <+w+3p#g@rpi.edu> keegan@acm.rpi.edu (James G. Keegan Jr.) writes:
>krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
>->The woman hung out a sign that said "baby welcome" 
>->when she had sex.
>
>oh my. this is one good reason people should study sex
>education before talking about abortion.
>
Given that the conception rate for any single unprotected sex act is
only 2-3% and that 2/3 or more of all conceptions fail to reach birth,
I would say it is clear that sex is *not* hanging out a sign of any
sort. Except, perhaps "Orgasm wanted. Enquire within." ;)

--
                  Mark Cochran          merlin@eddie.ee.vt.edu
These are the views of my employer, your employer, your government, the
Church of your choice, and the Ghost of Elvis. So there.
Member, T.S.A.K.C.
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From: popec@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (William C. Barwell)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,a
Subject: Re: Sexuality
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 02:24:07 GMT
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Harry Foster <foster@convex.COM> writes:

> krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
> >
> >...  I do not, for example, think that it is ever correct to 
> >teach children about having sex with farm animals (which has been 
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >done in some Planned Parenthood books ...
> 
> Is this some kinda new Planned Parenthood population control technique ?
> 


Nah, just a bullshit lie from someone who has run out of arguements.  Hey 
Krueger!  Can ya prove that crap!?  Cite the name of the book, and the 
chapter.  Show us, heh?  Bet ya can't.  Bet you won't.  Do you really 
expect intelligent people to buy that malarky?  Do you care about your 
credibility?  You lied on planned parenthood.  (Bet you won't get a 
citation of the book inquestion from him!)

Pope Charles   SubGenius Pope Of Houston

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From: karl@anasazi.com (Karl Dussik)
Subject: Re: Protection for homosexuals *is* valid (Was "Colorado Amendment2 Query")
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Arizona USA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:20:52 GMT

In article <7JAN199309294308@zeus.tamu.edu> rlc1028@zeus.tamu.edu writes:
>| [ cannot we come up with anti-descrimination laws of equal universality? ]
>
>	Certainly.  Why not say something like: "No person shall
>	be deprived of employment, housing, or economic service
>	simply due to his or her actual or perceived sexual ori-
>	entation - regardless of what that orientation may be."
>
>Any additions or suggestions?  Let me know.

Seems to me you just gave protected status to pederasts.  Was that your
intention?  (You might also explain why or why not.)
-- 
"Martin Marietta's annual revenues will nearly double with the acquisition
of GE's operations - from 3 billion dollars in sales to almost 11 billion."
John McChesney (sp?), NPR, 11/24/92.  Your education system at work.
From: rww@mugwump.cl.msu.edu (Richard W. Wiggins)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Chelsea's school ...
Date: 8 Jan 93 05:04:17 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
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In article <5066@execu.execu.com> mike@execu.execu.com (Mike McCants) writes:
 The point is that Clinton is rich
> enough to be able to make a choice, but he does not support money
> for school vouchers to allow less rich people to make such a choice.
	
A quibble: Bill Clinton is not "rich".  His salary as governor of
Arkansas was $35K.  Hillary Clinton has earned around $100K but 
I'm not sure consistently.  To be sure, the Clintons will be
comfortable in the White House, and at $250K plus expenses
plus free housing they can afford $12K or so to send Chelsea
to a private school, but it's stretching it to call Bill
Clinton "rich".  As I recall the net worth of the family is
a few hundred thousand dollars -- not poor, not rich.

I see no inconsistency between supporting better public schools
and choosing the best option one can afford for one's own kids.
You might advocate excellent highways but fly across the country
because you can afford it.  Remember that Chelsea is a separate
human and may have had a lot of input into this decision.
From: birge@guerciotti.EBay.Sun.COM (John Birge)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Sexuality
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:16:46 GMT
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>Actually, it is quite commonly known among sexologists and sex educators
>that sex education programs generally result in postponed sex behavior
>among adolescents.  By the way, this is not to say that sex ed programs
>are all equally good everywhere.  If you do a little library work you will 
>find about a dozen supporting studies.  Here are two sources:

>Reinisch, J.M.  The Kinsey Institute New Report on Sex.  St. Martin's
>     Press, 1990.  Page xx.

>Crooks, R., and Baur, K.  Our Sexuality.  Benjamin/Cummings, 1983.  Page 443.

Color me stupid but if, as you seem to be asserting, Sex Education is effective
then why are all the negative results of our sexuality (STD's, Teen Pregnancies, 
Abortions etc.) increasing in this country. Seeing as most metropolitan school
districts have had Sex Ed. for 20 years.

Also this assumes that the classes are taught by competent educators which are
few and far between in the Public Schools that I have seen.

John
From: jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: What can we expect from President Hillary Clinton?
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:05:17 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1it01qINN83j@shelley.u.washington.edu> ryanm@hardy.u.washington.edu (Ryan Mcneilly) writes:
>Personally I was iritated with Slicks winning.  However, I feel it is time
>I am taking a wait and see position.  BTW if you haven't guessed I am a
>conservitive.  --Ryan

And doubtless a big admirer of Dan Quayle.
-- 
John Lundberg
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From: laurel.schippers@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Laurel Schippers) 
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Chelsea's school ...
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:46:00 GMT
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Reply-To: laurel.schippers@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Laurel Schippers) 

WB>Well, Miss Chelsea Clinton will avoid going to public school this
WB>year by virtue of her parents' money and connections.  As Mr. Limbaugh
WB>pointed out today, Gov. Clinton opposes school choice for middle and
WB>lower class people, but not members of his own economic class.


WB>Regards,

WB>--

WB>Will Bralick                              Speaking _only_ for myself.

Incorrect. He is not sending Chelsea to a school by paying for it
with vouchers.

Oh, and his wife is the one with the bucks. She makes about $300K a
year at a real, nongovernment job.
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From: goff@intruder.navo.navy.mil (Victoria Goff)
Subject: Re: Sexuality
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:42:11 GMT
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In article <1993Jan7.230322.914@galileo.physics.arizona.edu>, krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan7.193113.24679@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> gsmith@polyhymnia.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) writes:
|> 
|> >If the excess rate of suicide among gay teens does not
|> >come from societal disapproval, where do you imagine it does come
|> >from?  
|> 
|> You must show evidence for this alleged causuality.  Do you really want 
|> alternate reasons?  How about the theory that homosexuality is a mental 
|> abnormality (as perhaps indicated by the hypothalamus size study)?
|> 
|> >If societal disapproval does not come in part from religious
|> >ideas, where do you suppose it does come from?
|> 
|> This is an ill thought-out question.  To illustrate this, let me use an 
|> alternate example:  If societal disapproval (of minorities) does not come 
|> in part from religious ideas, where do you suppose it does come from?
|> 
|> >My own opinion is that the teen suicide is an
|> >outgrowth in large part of the delusion that God hates homosexuality,
|> >which I regard as bad theology (being more or less blasphemy) and
|> >worse psychology.  Sow hate and that is what you reap.
|> 
|> Thank you for admitting that it is your opinion.  Do you honestly believe 
|> that the rampant anti-christianity apparent in your post is not hate?

HOLD IT HOLD IT HOLD IT....

The lessons of the bible are clear, when mankind refuses to obey God and
when man changes wrong to right, at some point in time, God's mercy
runs out and wrath begins. The time for theology has run out - if you
do not know God ie you have not prayed and asked Christ to save you,
then you simply do not know God. If you knew God, you wouldn't question
what He thinks about abortion and homosexuality, you would know because
you and He have a relationship with one another.

Actually, sin is only the symptom of a much deeper problem and that is
when you do not know God personally, you do not know the truth. Jesus
said that we can know the truth and that it will set us free. 

Christians, why bother with cleaning up the spider webs, lets get the
spider. The lost do not understand, nor can they ever understand God unless
they are introduced to Him and that is what we are suppose to be doing.
I remember when I asked the same questions that they do and I would
have appreciated someone telling me just exactly how I could know God
without a bunch of religious hocus pocus. 

Okay, this is it. This is how you know God. Three little words...
just ask Him and His name is Jesus. Just be yourself and ask.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Thats all I have to say. God bless and keep you. This message goes out
with love.

-Viki

Disclaimer: My opinions are my own.

Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
From: rush@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (Brian Rush )
Subject: Re: Rape/Incest and Abortion
Organization: UCLA Dept of Astronomy
Date: 9 Jan 93 08:23:52 PST

In article <3703.97.uupcb@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us> laurel.schippers@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Laurel Schippers)  writes:
>
>JS>Rush has received some mail on this issue, and he plans on
>JS>addressing this at some future point, but he points out that
>JS>abortions due to rape and incest are rare. Even the Planned
>JS>Parenthood's Alan Guttmacher Institute admits that only 1 to 2%
>JS>of the 1.5 million abortions each year are because of rape and
>JS>incest. Thus, this is a straw dog of a question.
>
>Hm. 1-2% of 1.5 million is 10-20,000 abortions. So even taking
>the low number, we can assume that there are 10,000 pregnant
>victims of rape or incest each year who actually have abortions.
>Sounds like a lot more human misery when you give the real
>numbers instead of percentages, doesn't it?

Only if you ARE stupid and can't grasp the simplest mathematicl concepts.

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From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Clarence Thomas
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:11:04 GMT
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Laurel Schipper writes:


>Um, "one or two" years as a judge does not a Justice make. There were
>plenty of qualified jurists (such as Edith Jones) who were passed
>over, mysteriously, for Thomas. A position as a political appointee
>at a regulatory agency, which deals with ONE AREA of the law,
>doesn't provide much background.  A qualified Justice ought to
>have a good deal of real legal experience.

Why is it bad for a Republican president to make an important appointment
based on politics, but OK for a Democratic president?  Clinton has said that
he will make pro-choice a condition for his appointments to the bench.  Why
is it OK for Ron Brown, a lawyer from an inner-beltway law firm and boss of
the Democratic Party, to be appointed Sec. of Commerce... what does he know
about commerce?

	Dave
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.sex,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: greg_bradt@msmgate.mrg.uswest.com (Greg Bradt)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment2 Query
XXXDate: Tue, 5 Jan 93 13:20:51 GMT
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Date: 05 Jan 93 19:17:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.233515.2655@brtph560.bnr.ca> Chris Fulmer,
chrisf@brtph316.NoSubdomain.NoDomain writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.152505.22773@uswmrg.mrg.uswest.com.mrg.uswest.com>, 
>greg_bradt@msmgate.mrg.uswest.com (Greg Bradt aka The Lensman) writes:
>|> As you can see, the amendment was cleverly phrased to imply that it
prevents
>|> gays from acquiring special rights, but if you exclude the filler,
you get:
>|> 
>|> Colorado...shall not adopt any statute...whereby
homosexual...practices or
>|> relationships...shall entitle any person... to claim of
discrimination.
>                                                        ^^
>Greg  I think that you might be misreading that....  Here's how I read
it...
>
>Colorado...shall [not] adopt any statute...whereby homosexual
orientation...shall
>be the basis of...discrimination.
>
>The part that I've highlighted with the ^^'s should be an "or," not an
"of".  The
>way you're reading it, it implies that the amendment does not allow a
homosexual
>to file a claim that says s/he's been discriminated against, which is
definately
>not what it says.

You are quite right about the typo.  It was in the file I copied from the
net and I didn't catch it.

However, it does not substancially change the meaning of my condensation.
 Your version of the condensation mistakenly attaches the "claims of
discrimination" to the reference to statutes.  Gramatically, it is
actually describes what the "person or class of persons" can (or in this
case, cannot) do.

This confusion just points up the way this amendment was written so as to
obscure it's intent, which was to fool/persuade the rural population to
invalidate some urban statutes that a bunch of religious fanatics in
Colorado Springs found objectionable.

Greg Bradt aka ()The Lensman()

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From: Mark.Perew@p201.f208.n103.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Sex Education in Public Schools
X-Sender: newtout 0.06 Jan  3 1993
Date: 11 Jan 93  11:51:52

In a message of <Jan 09 10:37>, asparrow@mcs213a.cs.umr.edu (Angelia Sparrow) 
writes:

 >I'd rather my kids be given the information from even
 >a biased text than to find it out by experimentation
 >or strteet myth.  A biased text they can filter through
 >trheir own biases, but blatent misinformation is far more
 >dangerous.

The asute reader will note the lack of any discussion of the proper parental
role in educating children about sexuality.

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From: jps8@po.CWRU.Edu (James P. Schwonek)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Does Rush ever post here?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 17:33:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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Just wondering...

Jim

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From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: Lifestyle Choices (was Re: Sexuality)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:43:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.070936.5813@netcom.com> tomboy@netcom.com (Thomas Miller) writes:
>First of all, homosexuals pose no greater a threat to blood donations than any- one else.  All human beings who donate blood get the same test which is not
>discriminant on the basis of sexual orientation.

Where is second?

AAP
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