HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Subject: Re: 39mm Fork Relief
Originator: markk@sparcplug
Reply-To: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:12:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.012546.5412@ttinews.tti.com>, paulb@harley (Paul Blumstein) writes:
>So, ya got 39mm forks, huh?  Ya do ya own maintenance, huh?
>You really hate putting those fork caps back on after you change
>the fork oil, huh?  Pushing on that spring?  Cursing all the
>time?  And you know the oil needs to be changed every 10k miles.
>Not only is it turning black, but the additives are just about
>used up.  WHAT'S A BIKER TO DO????

>Anyway, they got for caps with threaded holes in them.  And,
>there are allen head screws fitted in these holes.  So, when
>you change oil, you just remove the screws, add a funnel & pour.
>the screws go back on easily and you don't have a screen to
>push against.  it's too easy.  And the best thing?  these setups
>fit all 39mm forks.  i know... it works on mine.

Or make your own.  Pull the caps off, drill and tap them for an NPT
thread and go down to the local plumbing supply and get some fittings
with caps.  Works for me.

--
)V(ark)<               markk@tcs.com                   DoD #400
1988 FZR400            1985 ZX900 Ninja             1977 RD400D
            TCSI Berkeley, CA USA  (510) 649-3781
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: temp (temp)
Subject: test		
Reply-To:  ()
Organization: SPS
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:48:31 GMT

test

Rogue



Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: fdvlba@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Fort Davis VLBA site)
Subject: Re: Riviera 4 valve heads
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 18:12:08 GMT


I agree that the four valve heads are too much for normal people to consider.
If you don't already have the Branch Flowmetrics book for your bike, give them
a call at 714-827-1463 and order it.  They have done a lot of dyno testing
on different parts; I hope soon they come out with tests of the Rich Thunder-
Header and Mikuni HS40 (which I have installed to good use).  These parts did
not make the books.  I got both books, the big Evo and Sporty.  5$ each, or
free with purchase (they had the best price on the Mikuni, and take plastic).
Perhaps they will test the Red Shift cams, they tested and liked Andrews.
The books are highly recommended.

__
Steve Cowell.....883 with most of the trimmings,ant ignition, bore, cam........

BTW, paid 3000$ in late 89 for an 88 883, surely best deal of the decade.
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Rivera 4 valve heads
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:46:45 GMT
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.

In article <1992Nov12.145811.25694@ryn.mro4.dec.com> dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com writes:
>--
>In article <1992Nov10.031549.15344@research.nj.nec.com>,
>behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>|>	7000 rpm with 4.75" stroke = 5500+ fpm piston speed.
>|>	8000 rpm with 4.75" stroke = 6300+ fpm piston speed.
>|>
>|>	How in the hell do you hold that motor together?  Most designs
>|>that have reliability in mind (even Japanese motors that rev to 14000 rpm)
>|>do not exceed 4500 fpm.
>|>
>|>that engine awfully damn fast, especially considering the mass of
>|>the reciprocating parts.
>|>
>|>Inquiring (and maybe a bit jealous :-) minds,
>
>Yes, 4 3/4" stroke by 3 5./8" bore. The flywheel assembly is significantly
>lighter than stock.

	The _flywheels_ are lighter than stock.  I'm more interested in
the masses of the _reciprocating_ parts.  The rapid duty cycle and large
load on the bearings of a stroker at over 6000rpm must be tremendous, and,
from what I've heard, the thing to watch out for with a stroker is the
bottom end, as it can be trivial to scatter the cases all over the road.

	Whatchoo got in there?

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114  KotHLF  1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike

Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC agree with any of this anyway?
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: niall@c3.PLA.CA.US (Neal Bedard)
Subject: I'm surprised that...
Organization: Cathode Ray Mission, San Jose
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:35:34 GMT

... there hasn't been one mention of Sonny Barger's release from prison here
in r.m.h. Fascinating that this would go unnoticed here; it was a major deal
in the Bay Area, getting coverage on all four local news channels (and probably
CNN too.)

One hapless interviewer had the cheek to ask Sonny "What do you plan to do
now?" "Stay out of jail" was Sonny's to-the-point answer. The Channel 7
newsdweeb made a snide remark about Sonny drinking "yuppie bottled water
because he isn't allowed alcohol as a condition of his parole. Just proves
again how totally weak the mainstream media are when it comes to evenhanded
coverage of motorcycling matters.



-Neal
[niall@c3.com]
DoD #0x451
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: hofmann@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Jenns Hofmann)
Subject: Primary problems on '80 FLT
Originator: hofmann@hphalle1g.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:04:06 GMT


In September I bought an '80 FLT (Tour-Glide) in California. Within the first
300 miles the primary drive became more and more noisy (Although the primary
chain was new), so I went to the local Harley-Dealer ('Golden-State-H.D.')to get
it fixed. They showed me a worn out compensating mechanism in the compensating
sprocket which they replaced by a 'straight' sprocket (no compensating mechanism).
As the rear sprocket and the chain were in good condition, they just checked the
alignment of the two sprockets and put it back together. They told me that the
primary chain oiler didn't work. Somebody had just plugged the hose. (probably to
keep the primary case from leaking oil ?) I could fix that myself.
After that I went on a trip to Florida and realized that the primary chain wore
out pretty fast. I had to adjust it about every 500 to 800 miles. It always 
seemed to be well-lubricated and I did NOT overtighten it. Somewhere in western
Florida I realized that there were a couple of broken rollers (I mean parts
coming off the chain!) down in the primary case. I was quite shocked by that
fact and replaced the chain immediately. I did not detect excessive sprocket-
-wear. I did about 900 miles on the new chain and it seems to wear out as fast
as the old one. Does anybody out there have an idea WHY ?
 
Thanks for your help , Jenns

 

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: m_bellor@nntpd2.enet.dec.com ("Sasquatch")
Subject: Re: was: 4 valve heads now performance
Reply-To: m_bellor@nntpd2.enet.dec.com ("Sasquatch")
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Colorado Springs, CO
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:10:25 GMT



 Michael & Chris

 Thanks for the input on the carbs. I took the SE carb and manifold kit back
 to the dealer and traded them for the S&S E setup. The dealer didn't even
 blink an eye, and evan was very helpful in insuring I had the right parts
 for my "warm over" project. I even saved $10 on the S&S setup over the SE
 parts.

 Now if I can just resist spending the wife's "package" money on the new 	  FATBOY sitting at the dealer, oh I hear it calling me now, gotta go ;^)

 Micheal Bellor
 aka
 Sasquatch


--
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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety."  B. Franklin
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: crsg9887@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chad R. Sandstrom)
Subject: Finally! I too have it!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:10:22 GMT


My 1993 Heritage Softail Nostalgia it now mine all mine!

It has been raining all week off and on but I have 
managed to get 150 miles on "My Preciousss" 

The rain did give me the chance to install the windsheild
and boy does that help keep the windchill down (the temp
has hovered in the 30's this week) (err is that "windchill
up?")

I am almost embarrassed when I try to describe how sweet
this bike is to my friends it seems sooo extravagant.
But, I forget all about the guilt once I'm riding. 

I had thought about getting the M6 primary chain tensioner
and install it at the 500 mile check up but my dealer said 
that they work but add extra noise and he's seen destructive
results after hard shifts with the M6. I'll try to get more
details, but has anyone heard of bad results with this item?

I am having a haarrrd time behaving myself during the breakin 
period. But I am behaving myself.

happy riding
chad sandstrom

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Subject: Re: XLH vs Big Twin
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:41:22 GMT



|>  BZZZT! Wrong answer, look at the specs, the 1200 sporty is the fastest
|>  HD out of the box.  My tweeked 1200 will eat up anything (with in the 
|>  Harley family that is) but a 96" stroker.
|>
|>
|>-- 
|>Jim Groh     groh@sig.cs.fsu.edu  | DoD #0356  |   Hog# 0437643 |new 
|>improved
|>1959 XLH 900  **  1982 FXR  **  1989 XLH 883  **  1990 XLH 1200 | smaller sig
|>

I've ridden with warmed over 1200 Sporties before.  They'll give an 88" FX a
run up to about 80 mph, after that they're toast. 92's have no problem. 

CdH

<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Hardware Maintenance, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:23:24 -0500 
From: John Makel <jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: XLH vs Big Twin
	<1992Nov9.183000.17243@megatek.com>

This past weekend, I stopped at the local Harley-Honda shop to
shoot the breeze. The owner, parts manager and head wrench
were in the back checking out this new Honda CBR600RR
that was bought by some young kid hoping to hit super-stardom
by driving at light speed. Well, as it turns out the kid went down
at speeds in excess of 80mph(slow for you rocket riders isn't it?)
and totaled the ride out. Now all that I could see was this broken
plastic, which as I later found out costs an arm and leg. The KID
as I call him, wore the usual gear-tennis shoes, tank top, and shorts
that so many expert riders wear today, after all isn't that what
Doonan or Rainey wear when thay go to Seca, Riverside and such.
The KID wants to have the ride put back on the road I guess that
he wants to try the same scene over again except maybe at Mach3
this time ,but without the shirt and shoes. Isn't it odd that although
there are lines drawn a Harley rider and the  others that there are
still clowns out there improperly dressed, driving so fast that there
is little time to enjoy the ride, isn't that what it is all about?
The Highway is not a racetrack for the rocket rider, the track is,
nor is an improperly dressed fool prepared for the consequences
of meeting the pavement at any speed. Ride safe, dress properly
wave to the rider on the rocket or the KID in the shorts, it may
be the last time that you see him....

					john...

16F(soon)
47Indian(started on)
78FX
80Sturgis
90XLH1200
92FLHTC
HOG
AMA
ABATE
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: temp (temp)
Subject: this is a test
Reply-To: temp (temp)
Organization: just a bone head
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:52:07 GMT

this is a test for one bonehead who is trying
to create an article to sell his dumb#*%@ hog

Rogue



Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: Get your wallets out...
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 21:25:29 GMT


In article <BD.92Nov5150301@fluent.UUCP>, bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:
> >They sent a brochure for this thing to all of the HOG members a month or
> >so ago.  I opted to pass.  ...Seems the model is made somewhere offshores...
> Not really, any more than it's ironic that so many parts in
> the bikes themselves are made overseas.

    NO NO NO, you are confusing the cheap copies with the real thing.
*REAL* Harleys are made in Milwaukee and York. Harley copies are made
in other countries, but they are not Harleys and they have other brand
names on them. Although they try to make their logos etc look as
Harley as possible, they are still just cheaply made copies.


Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.

*************************************************************
    " The reason they call those things shadow is because
      they look like a Harley, but there's nothing to them"

                  Wolf Who Runs Alone With the Wind, 1989
=============================================================

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: georgerj@rtsg.mot.com (Richard J. George)
Subject: model Harley
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: global
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 07:39:29 GMT

If you are interested in model Harleys check out the back page of the
British publication Classic Cars (December issue - available in the 
States and all over Europe).  It has an advert for the Franklin Mint
Company.  They have a stunning model - working softtail, evo engine,
amazing detail.

Price - 105 pounds.

Regards, Rich
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: root@june.cmp.rpi.edu (J.R. Ordon)
Subject: XLH questions
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:14:30 GMT

I've seen a recent post on the net discussing the XLH vs Big twin.
the general opinion is that the sportster is uncomfortable for
anything longer than 2-3 hours at a time.

I'd like to know what is the reason behind this.
Does the sporty shake more than the big twin?
Is it the seat or riding position? (would a corbin help here?)
Does it effect 6 footers & above more ?

I'd really like to get a Harley in a few years, but I'm wondering
if a have to go the serious bucks for a big twin right away.
A big twin would be a goal for me , but I'm hoping I could get a sporty
to be tolerable for longer rides.

BTW, I'm talking about EVO sportys here.
-----------------------------------------------------
J.R. Ordon          '80 CB750C

the view expressed here are mine & not my employers


Organization: Hardware Maintenance, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:10:27 -0500 
From: John Makel <jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: XLH questions

JR,
   One reason the sportster is uncomfotable is due to the posistioning of the
footrests, although highway pegs help somewhat. Also is the seating and
handlebars, they tend to draw you up in an uncomfortable posistion. As
far as changing the seat, it would help, corbin, mustang and others make 
good seats for the sporty. I am 6 foot and I have a difficult time riding my
90-1200 for periods any longer than 2 to 3 hours, you need to ask some of
the other netters who may be shorter and or taller to come up with some
consensus. Regarding the vibration, that to depends somewhat on whether
you opt for belt or chain, opt for the belt it is much smoother than the chain,
also opt if possible for the 5 speed,(you did not state if you are going to buy
new or used---all new 93's are 5 speed and belt drive, 91 saw the belt
introduced,
and you can put a belt drive on an evo sporty for about $500 in parts and 
your labor, or 75-100 for a shop to do). If you can afford a new sporty,
once again are you talking about an 883 or 1200, go with the 1200, it has
more raw power than the 883, but insurance on the 883 is cheaper(but
you can have the 883 changed to the 1200 and still pay 883 rates), resale 
on the 1200 is also much better than the 883. 
  If you can make the xtra stretch, go for a used EVO FXRS or something
similar, around here there are 86-87 FXRS that go used for 6500-7500.
The sporty is a fine bike, but the big twin does it better, and in the long
run if it gets in your blood you will most likely end up with the big twin.
Jim Groh,  Ed Campbell,  Chris Dehahn, or John Stafford or any other
netters out there, is there anything that I might have missed or suggestions?


					john...


16F(soon)
47Indian(started)
78FX
80Sturgis
90XLH1200
92FLHTC
HOG
AMA
ABATE
Organization: Hardware Maintenance, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Date: Mon,  9 Nov 1992 07:26:22 -0500 
From: John Makel <jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: XLH vs Big Twin

Regarding Sportsters,
     I have owned 7 sportsters since 1967 the first being the 1967XLCH,
and the latest being the 90XLH1200, with various years in-between.
As John Stafford writes they are for sport, yes they are very quick and
responsive. They however test the best in us for any sort of distance riding
especially if you are tall. If opting for a Iron Head sporty or an EVO sporty, 
go for the EVO. The EVO sporty is a much more refined and dependable
machine and with the 5speeds and belt drive a much smoother machine
to enjoy. I still like the iron head sportys, they will always be out there
hammering the highways. 
    However as John Stafford writes, the Jap bikes do perform better
in most regards except one-the value in time, and parts availabilty.
Many of us start out riding sportsters first rather than the big twins
because of financial reasons and or experience. As for chosing a 
Shovelhead over the EVO sporty that is a matter of opinion.
Many shovels have been wrenched on and ridden by wannabees. These
bikes are waiting for an owner with lots of time and or money to put
back into good operating condition. Although I am in the process of
rebuilding 2 old bikes, my main concern is to ride and not be sitting on 
the side of the road wrenching, although I have done this a little more
than I would like to recall. 
    My 90XLH1200 is a great bike, but is not comfortable to ride, I 
am cramped in the legs, which tends to make me uncomfortable
for any ride longer than 2-3 hours(yes I have highway pegs on her).
But I enjoy her for the type of riding that she gives me, fast and
well handling.  
   For any of us that has owned a Sportster and then upgraded to
a big twin, you know that when you see someone looking to buy
his first Harley a Sportster in particular, you either say it to
yourself or maybe mention it to the prospect, you ought to opt
for the big twin over the sporty to save money in the long run
as chances are that is what most riders end up with anyway...
   Whatever you ride be it a sporty or a big twin, you are still
a brother in the
wind.....................................................................
.


					
						john...

16F(soon)
47Indian(basket)
78FX
80Sturgis
90XLH1200
92FLHTC
HOG
AMA
ABATE
Organization: Hardware Maintenance, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 06:57:56 -0500 
From: John Makel <jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: XLH vs Big Twin
	<1992Nov12.001518.28685@megatek.com>

Randy writes>> Your group?  We're glad you think its all yours, and not
Jim's also, since
he's been around the motos newsgroups a lot longer...

 Randy  I have been around the computers for the last 
10 years here at CMU, and rode motorcycles  since 
1965 I am sure that you are probably more experienced
in both areas than I am. Its great to have a rocket rider
moderate this group, you can sure add to this group,
unfortunately not for its betterment but for these little
flame wars. I have read the motos newsgoup as long as you both,
but never would contribute because of the flame wars, I do not
get my kicks irritating people.
 I also am not abrasive to fellow motorcyclists, never have
been never will be.  Seems as though no matter what anyone
would say there is still going to be a problem, besides maybe you
might learn something or contribute. What do you think
of the new Dyna Wide Glide's, do you like the frame mated to
the wide glide front end? What do you think will be Harleys
change in carburetion ,fuel injection or dual carbs, do you
think that it will aid in performance? What do you think
about primary belts?
   Lastly I have  read rec.motorcycle for quite a long time now, I voted
for this group the last 2 years. As for flame wars on the net that is
KIDS play, I have always done my best talking in person. 
Next time there is a poker or dice run I will invite you so you
can see what a wonderful bunch of fellows us Harley Riders are!
    The article that I put together was to state the ignorance in driving
at high rates of speed, that coupled with an improperly  dressed person spells
disaster, I also stated that even though you and I may have our differences
in rides, the concept of driving properly and wearing proper clothing is
a must! 
    Finally I admit again that I do not have the best handling nor the 
fastest motorcycle in the world, you do, I simply own a Harley and
not a zx, you see we both have our niches in the world. Glad to have
you aboard to Randy, enjoy the Harley BBoard...


						john...

PS: hows my spellin?
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: progers@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Patrick Rogers)
Subject: Indian Cub information wanted
Originator: progers@napier.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 02:56:28 GMT

  I just purchased a rusted out wreck as basically a fixer upper and some
affordable transportation for next summer (car insurance is aprox. $2000.00
a year for people my age up here).  I'd only driven a bike once before and
didn't really know much about who's who in motorbikes.  Anyways it turns
out that the rust brown, been in a fire, wreck I had bought is an Indian Cub.
(That's what the guy called it.  Only says "Indian" on the engine.)  Well
I'd never even heard about Indian's before and would really like information
as to what their history is and where I can get parts and or manuals.
   I orginally just wanted some fun mech work and transportation, and was
just gonna patch it together with anything I could find, but some people
who aren't totally sure of what their talking about think it might be a
bit collectable, and if that's the case I'll definitely keep the original 
bits hanging around so it can be fixed up to it's original status eventually.

   Right now my biggest concerns are:
     -a shop manual, preferably with wiring diagram
     -a source for parts or a replacement for the 
             SHB 19.19 D Delorto carb.
             (in particular the float was badly
              melted in the fire - (Delorto 6122.1  gr.3.5)
              and the plate that holds the throttle valve
              in place disintegrated.)
     -a source for clutch and accelerator cables or equivalent
      replacements.
     -some info on the engine.  It's a seventy cc unit (not sure
      what year, just in the sixties like the rest of the bike) and
      it appears to be fine in all respects except for the piston/cylinder 
      combination.  The piston sticks at the top of the cylinder, but with
      it off the engine cranks fine.  Do I need a new p&c or can I have the
      old set machined?  Other than this the engine and tranny seem to be in
      beautiful shape.
     -I found the points burried in the middle of the alt/generator but the
      fire made it a little hazzy as to where the spark comes from.  Straight
      off some weird winding of the alt/generator?  One of those
      do-dads under the tank or seat?  There are four wires off the 
      alt/generator.
     -finally what is Indian and where the hell is this thing from?  Seems
      like a small little bike from a company renowned for big bikes, but
      that's only the impression I get from what I've read.

I would appreciate any help on any of these points, as I'm very curious to see
what I found and I want to get it rolling again - (for not to many $$).
Everywhere I go they suggest I go to a Harley shop and ask what a delorto is
(being a Volkswagon hobiest this really shocks me).  Not many  Harley shops 
around so I thought I'd post here.  I would appreciate response by mail as
I don't allways have time to read news.

                                -Pat