HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Robert Jacobson <cyberoid@u.washington.edu>
Subject: RFD: sci.virtual-worlds.apps
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: WORLDESIGN, Seattle
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:24:37 GMT

SCI.VIRTUAL-WORLDS.APPS
-----------------------

This is a Request for Discussion concerning a proposed newsgroup,

                    sci.virtual-worlds.apps

for the discussion of pending and actual applications of virtual
worlds technology in industrial, commercial, educational, and
entertainment settings.

Calling for the creation of this newsgroup are the founders and
current moderators of sci.virtual-worlds, Bob Jacobson and Mark De
Loura.

For over 18 months we have presided over the increasingly complex and
useful dialogues that have taken place on sci.v-w.  It's our opinion
that the conversations there are now varied enough to merit the
spinning off of a second newsgroup dedicated to actual applications of
the technology.  According to surveys, nearly 2% of USENET's millions
of readers tune in at least occasionally.  This diverse population
of interest can support more than one newsgroup.

In the past, mailing lists have formed to handle such specific topics
as software requirements for headsets and gloves, but we foresee a
larger need: the chance to publicly announce and discuss applications
of virtual worlds technology.  This will provide a kickstart to our
industry and help us to keep directed toward serving the public and
the market, rather than becoming inward-turned, all research and self-
preoccupation.

sci.virtual-worlds will continue to be sponsored by the HIT Lab.  It's
our belief that s.v-w should continue as a general forum for our
community, perhaps one more focused on cutting edge research and
philosophical issues.  These are still very important.  However, this
will be the prerogative of the new moderators and the participants.

sci.virtual-worlds.apps will be a place to take these discussions one
step farther, into the domain of serious applications.

We will have a two-week open period of debate and comment on this
proposal, in sci.virtual-worlds, on the WELL, and in the traditional
forum of news.announce.newgroups.  Then we will call for a formal
vote.  If there is a net positive vote of 100 participants, we will
create sci.virtual-worlds.apps and announce its formation to you.

Thank you for considering this proposal.  We believe it is necessary
for a newsgroup to exist in which to advance the state of our art
through the discussion of applications and their economic, commercial,
and social implication.  We welcome your comments and support.
-- 
Bob Jacobson			Mark De Loura
Moderator			Co-Moderator
cyberoid@u.washington.edu	madsax@u.washington.edu
bluefire@well.sf.ca.us		deloura@cs.unc.edu
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.admin,misc.legal.computing,comp.admin.policy,comp.software-eng
From: forbes@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (Scott Forbes)
Subject: RFD: rec.games.int-fiction
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Friends of Dan Quayle, Chicagoe chapter
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:25:29 GMT

This is a Request For Discussion on the creation of the unmoderated newsgroup:

rec.games.int-fiction
  Discussion of games in the Interactive Fiction genre, including but not
  limited to text adventures such as Adventure, Zork and other Infocom games,
  the Scott Adams series, hints for gameplaying, news from manufacturers and
  other related topics.

Currently discussions of cross-platform games such as the Infocom series have
no real home among the various "game" groups, and there is a good deal of
traffic in the machine-specific groups such as comp.sys.mac.games that refers
to games which can be played on a variety of machines.

The group rec.arts.int-fiction, chartered for the purpose of discussing the
art of *writing* interactive fiction games, frequently finds itself flooded
with articles from game players instead of game programmers.  This newsgroup
would provide some relief for rec.arts.int-fiction, and give the rest of us
a better place to go.  :-)

Interest in the Infocom series of interactive fiction games has been piqued
by the recent release of the Lost Treasures of Infocom I and II, packages
which offer a large number of Infocom games at a bargain-basement price.
Infocom has always had a loyal group of fans, even after the company was
effectively disemboweled by Activision in 1988, and the recent re-releases
have introduced a number of new gameplayers to the joys of these classics.

Discussion of this proposal should be directed to news.groups, or e-mailed
to the author of this article (me).  If there is sufficient interest, I will
issue a CFV and take votes in about 30 days or so.
-- 
-- Scott Forbes
forbes@icbm.att.com
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.apple2,comp.binaries.apple2
From: U15231@uicvm.uic.edu (Zlatko Sijercic)
Subject: CFV: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Followup-To: poster
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:47:51 GMT

                         1st Call For Votes
                         ==================

                     SOC.CULTURE.BOSNA-HERZGVNA
                     ==========================

    Charter
    =======

    Soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna is intended to provide a panel for discussion
    about all aspects of history, culture, social and religious traditions,
    economy, and politics of the newly independent state of Bosnia and
    Herzegovina.

    As the strugle against the agression and for independence, freedom,
    and human dignity continues in Bosnia and Herzegovina, the proposed
    news group will also serve as the vehicle for the preservation and
    disemination of the truth about this proud country, its citizens, and
    their moral values.

    The status of the group is to be unmoderated.

    How to Vote
    ===========

    To vote in favor of soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna send an email message to

                U15231@UICVM.UIC.EDU

    with a word yes somewhere in the subject of your message.


    To vote against soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna send an email message to

                U15231@UICVM.UIC.EDU

    with a word no somewhere in the subject of your message.

    Yes means that you DO WANT soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna to be created.
    No means that you DO NOT WANT soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna to be created.

    Voting Period
    =============

    The vote begins immediately and will end on August 29 at 11:59:59
    pm EST.

Prepared by netters from Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.appalachian,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.misc
From: furrjk@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: CFV: soc.culture.usa.appalachian
Followup-To: poster
Reply-To: mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu
Organization: Virginia Tech
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:25:34 GMT

This is a Call For Votes on soc.culture.usa.appalachian.
The group will be unmoderated.

The charter of soc.culture.usa.appalachian is as follows:

1) discussion of Appalachian current events.
2) interest in increasing Appalachian awareness.
3) sharing of info, stories, local color, history from various parts of
      Appalachia.
4) furthering Appalachian "patriotism".
5) discussion of research done on Appalachian culture, society, economy,
      education, etc.
6) sharing Appalachian folklore (moonshining, stock-car racing,
      snake-handling, feuding, coal mining, ginseng-hunting, etc.)
7) discussion of those crafts indigineous to the region, such as quilting,
      pottery, carving, basketry, etc.
8) discussion of Appalachian music, dancing, performing arts, etc.  (dulcimer,
      folk dancing, the Galax Old Fiddler's Convention, etc. etc.)
9) exchanging information about recreation opportunities in Appalachia, such
      as information about local trails, the Blue Ridge Parkway, wild and
      scenic rivers, the Great Smoky Mountains, the Appalachian Trail, etc.
      etc.
10) and other topics as they arise

To cast a vote, send mail to

   "mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu"

with ONE of the following strings (you don't need the quotes)

   "vote soc.culture.usa.appalachian yes"
   "vote soc.culture.usa.appalachian no"

on a line by itself in the subject field or body of the message, where

"yes" means that you DO     want soc.culture.usa.appalachian created.
"no"  means that you DO NOT want soc.culture.usa.appalachian created.

THE VOTING PERIOD WILL BE 21 DAYS, FROM 12 AM ON JULY 28 TO 12 AM ON AUGUST 18.

The mail server should acknowledge your vote.  If it does not do so within
twenty-four hours, you can verify that your vote was received by sending mail
to postmaster@pit-manager.mit.edu.
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Joel Furr                                                jfurr@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu
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Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,rec.music.indian.classical,alt.culture.tamil
From: lwk@engin.umich.edu (Lewis W Kellum)
Subject: CFV: sci.materials.simulation moderated
Followup-To: poster
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:24:44 GMT

Call for votes.

Please send me one of the following lines at the address
lwk@engin.umich.edu:

I vote yes for the creation of the newsgroup sci.materials.simulation
	or
I vote no for the creation of the newsgroup sci.materials.simulation

All votes must be received by 23:59, 21 August 1992.  Posted votes
will not be counted.

Below is a copy of the charter. There have been some grammatical changes
to it, but nothing that will effect the jist of it. 
			- Woody Kellum

Charter:
---------
Sci.materials.simulation is a news group for the Journal of
Modeling and Simulation in Materials and Engineering that will have
its first issue out by Oct. 1992.  The journal is going to be published
by the Institute of Physics.

The purpose of the news group is to provide an electronic medium 
for communication on the subject of the journal.  All the incoming
messages will go to a moderator that will post the appropriate messages 
to the group. The initial moderator will be Reza Najafabadi at the Univ. of
Michigan College of Engineering <reza@engin.umich.edu>.
-- 

Woody Kellum   Internet:  lwk@caen.engin.umich.edu
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.sgi
From: wicks@dcdsv0.fnal.gov (Matthew Wicks)
Subject: 2nd RFD: comp.sys.sgi reorganization
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, Batavia IL
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:32:19 GMT

A little over a month ago, I posted a Request for Discussion (RFD) for
splitting the comp.sys.sgi hierarchy. A number of responses were posted
and/or sent directly to me. The feedback provided by this input is the basis
for this 2nd RFD. I welcome any posting and/or replys on the proposed
re-organization.

In general, everyone seemed to be in favor of doing a split. We simply need
to reach consensus on the specifics of the split and then move to a Call
For Vote (CFV).

The changes from the original RFD are as follows:

 - Reduction in the total number of groups to avoid overlap
 - Expansion of the scope of the .admin group
 - Additions of a .bugs group
 - Change of name of the .gl group to .graphics and expand its scope. A
   separate RFD is being conducted for a comp.graphics.opengl group for general
   gl issues.

I propose that the following comp.sys.sgi groups be formed:

  admin		Discussions of system administration issues. This would
		include issues such as kernel tuning, security, and networking.
  announce	general announcements (conferences, user groups, ftp
		archives, etc)
  apps		Discussions of various application packages , both those
	 	provided by SGI, as well as third party applications.
  bugs		Discussions/posting of bugs found in the IRIX operating system.
  graphics	Discussion of SGI graphics issues (i.e. X-windows, Inventor,
		Imagelib, GL, etc.) Postings should always be issues specific
		to using a SGI machine.
  hardware	Discussion of hardware issues including connection of
		perhipherals.
  misc		Anything else, that doesn't fit one of the above groups.


One of the issues with splitting up the comp.sys newsgroups is how this
would effect the info-iris mailing list. I made the following suggestion
to the administrator of info-iris:

For each separate comp.sys.sgi newsgroup there would be a separate info-iris
mailing list.  Individuals without USENET access then could subscribe to the
individual mailing lists. Initially people currently on the info-iris mailing
list would be placed on all the lists and then they could unsubscribe to the
ones they don't want.

I still have not received a reply on if this proposal was acceptable or not,
although the info-iris administrator did attempt to get a hold of me once. I
would like to use it as the basis for discussions on how the mailing lists
should be handled, but will be glad to entertain other suggestions.
-- 
Matt Wicks
Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
wicks@fnal.fnal.gov
708-840-8083
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.kids
From: mmm@qedqcd.rye.ny.us (Mike Miskulin)
Subject: RFD: misc.forsale.computers reorganization
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: High Energy Concepts
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:24:53 GMT

I am formally proposing the split of misc.forsale.computers into a new
hierarchy.  At a minimum the succeeding group(s) should be:
	    
	misc.forsale.computers.hardware
	misc.forsale.computers.software

At a maximum (for purposes of this RFD), a succession to:

	misc.forsale.computers.hardware.ibm
	misc.forsale.computers.hardware.apple	
	misc.forsale.computers.hardware.other
	
	misc.forsale.computers.software.ibm
	misc.forsale.computers.software.apple
	misc.forsale.computers.software.other

The reason for this RFD is that many current readers of misc.forsale.
computers believe the group is too cumbersome to read/follow in its
current format; simply put the volume of this group is too high for
the existing format to continue being an effective means of offering
computer related goods for sale.  However, there are a large number
who would like to continue to see the group in its present format. 

Following Usenet guidelines, ALL followup discussion on this topic
should occur in news.groups ONLY.  Do not cross-post back to other
groups such as misc.forsale.computers.  RFDs typically generate
a large amount of traffic and can swamp a newsgroup.  

Regards,
-- 
Mike Miskulin
mmm@qedqcd.rye.ny.us
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sources.d,alt.sources.d
From: kent@imd.sterling.com (Kent Landfield)
Subject: CFV: comp.sources.testers
Followup-To: poster
Summary: Let's improve the underlying beta test support on the net
X-Md4-Signature: 2c297a5ffec296e797d3371974bdcdfc
Keywords:  beta, testing, portability
Reply-To: votes@sparky.sterling.com
Organization: Sterling Software
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:25:18 GMT

This is the first call for votes for an unmoderated group to match software 
packages with people willing to test the packages.  The RFD was published 
approximately two months ago, and the discussion surrounding the group's 
creation were generally positive.  Time to put it to a vote.

NAME:
    comp.sources.testers

STATUS:  
    unmoderated

CHARTER:

  The purpose of this newsgroup is to give authors of software packages a place
  to post in hopes of finding people willing to test their packages.  No source 
  will ever be posted to comp.sources.testers.  comp.sources.testers can work 
  as a first stage before posting to any of the source groups, including 
  alt.sources, comp.sources.unix, comp.sources.misc, comp.sources.games, the 
  various machine specific source groups, and even comp.sources.reviewed.  
  Most of the subject lines should look like

    Subject: Need beta testers for ppmtovcr, another portable bitmap converter

  or perhaps final announcements like

    Subject: Done with gamma testing for ppmtovcr, posted to c.s.misc

  along with acknowledgments. Crossposts into comp.sources.testers are fine 
  when there's an appropriate subject group. Topics like

     Subject: What metrics do you use for evaluating object-oriented programs?

  belong in comp.software-eng, not comp.sources.testers.


VOTING PROCEDURE:

  Send votes to: votes@sparky.sterling.com   or   uunet!sparky!votes

  Preferably your message should include one of the following lines
  in the body of the text:

      I vote YES for comp.sources.testers
      I vote NO for comp.sources.testers

  I will be flexible in accepting other wording providing your vote 
  is made clear and unambiguous.  If I receive more than one vote
  from the same account;

    o If the votes are for the same side of the issue, I will
      count the votes as one vote. I will send email informing
      the voter that their vote is only being counted once.

    o If the votes are for opposite sides of the issue, I will
      throw out both votes. I will send email informing the
      voter that their vote is being discounted in this case.

  The voting period ends at 00:00 EDT on Thursday, Aug 20, 1992. In order
  for your vote to be counted I must receive it before then.

COMMENTS:
  
  The guidelines for successful creation of a new newsgroup require
  that the vote taker receive 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and that
  the YES votes be at least 2/3 of all valid votes cast. I will send a 
  mass acknowledgement of votes received approximately half way through
  the voting period.

			-Kent+
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.antiques,rec.food.cooking,rec.crafts.brewing,misc.rural,rec.food.veg,rec.food.drink
From: gyro@kestrel.edu (Scott L. Burson)
Subject: Re: C news feed restriction not working?!
Organization: Kestrel Institute, Palo Alto, CA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:23:37 GMT

In article <Bs69tA.8v7@world.std.com> geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer) writes:
>Scott L. Burson:
>>[...] I seem to be getting everything (6Mb arrived this morning).  I
>>can't afford either the phone bill or the disk space for a full feed.
>>Does anyone have any guesses as to the problem?  The sys file line on
>>kestrel reads:
>
>Assuming that the sys file entry for zetasoft really is a single line (it
>appeared in your message as two lines), it looks fine.  (Note that you
>can continue sys file lines; see newssys(5) for details.)

Aha -- *that's* where all this is documented!  Thanks.

>However, 6MB per day is nothing like a full feed.  A full feed averages
>over 35MB per day, with a peak in mid-week (if this is Wednesday, that
>would be 50MB today).

Good grief!  I had no idea.  The 6MB number I had heard must be out of
date.

>			Are you actually getting messages on zetasoft
>containing no groups named in (or implied by) the sys entry for zetasoft,
>or have you just picked some high-volume groups?

Oh.  I get it.  The messages I am seeing to groups I didn't ask for
are evidently also posted to groups I did ask for.  (Some of them are
surprising, too -- I just found a dual-post to soc.culture.indian and
comp.object.)

Thanks again.

-- Scott
   Gyro@ZETA-SOFT.COM


Newsgroups: news.sysadmin,news.software.b
From: bdb@becker.GTS.ORG (Bruce Becker)
Subject: Re: Feeding via mail
Organization: G. T. S., Toronto, Ontario
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 03:51:11 GMT

In article <BRENDAN.92Jul7201129@betty.cs.widener.edu> brendan@cs.widener.edu writes:
|In article <1992Jul3.020017.27768@becker.GTS.ORG> bdb@becker.GTS.ORG (Bruce Becker) writes:
|	   The basic structure for news via email is
|	   to make a "mail-site" sender module which
|	   uuencodes the batch & sends it to an email
|	   address at the target site.
|
|I haven't heard of many (any?) sites doing it like this; why uuencode text?


	Because news batches are normally compressed.


	Actually the "bencode" which comes with news
	is more efficient in packing than "uuencode".


	The total amount of effort to implement this
	for both sending & receiving sides is trivial
	for reasonably experienced newsadmins. Here's
	a C news+Sendmail example but other tools are
	generally as easy...



	Sending site:


[$NEWSCTL/batchparms]
# site		 size	queue	builder		muncher		sender
# ----		------	-----	-------		-------		------
sitex		999999	  999	batcher		compb		mail-sitex


[$NEWSBIN/batch/mail-sitex]
mail recenews@sitex



	Receiving site:


[/usr/lib/aliases]
recenews:	"|/usr/lib/newsbin/input/recenews"



-- 
  ,u,	 Bruce Becker			Toronto, Ontario
a /i/	 Internet: bdb@becker.gts.org	Uucp: ...!web!becker!bdb
 `\o\-e	 \*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/
 _< /_	 "Awaken the Geek Within" - Anthony Robot
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
From: warlock@ecst.csuchico.edu (John Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Posting via mail?
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:22:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.002738.8676@kestrel.edu> Scott L. Burson writes:

-->  ... in the process of setting up C news on my machine, fed via uucp
-->  from kestrel.edu (the machine I am posting this from).  Kestrel is on
-->  the Internet.
-->  
-->  My question: Kestrel has the L flag in the third field of its sys file
-->  entry for the Internet host that feeds it.  This will keep it from
-->  forwarding messages I post on my machine.  Do I correctly gather that
-->  removing the L flag will cause Kestrel to have to do a lot more work
-->  deciding what messages it should send out?  ...

  There is a good way around this that works great if Kestrel is running
C-News (at least).

  I'm in a situation where INET1 and INET2 both feed me (internet sites) and
UUCP1 is connected via UUCP.  INET2 is fed my output and the full feed from
INET1 while INET1 is only fed my output.  In this case, "my output" also
includes the articles from UUCP1.  My sys files for these is as follows...

#
#  NNTP feed sites:
#
INET2:all,!chico,!to,to.INET2/all,!local,!csci,!csuc,!chico:F:\
	/usr/spool/news/batch/INET2
INET1/INET1,INET2:all,!chico,!to,to.INET1/all,!local,!csci,!csuc,!chico:F:\
	/usr/spool/news/batch/INET1
#
#  UUCP feeds
#
UUCP1:rec.music.industrial,chico,to.UUCP1/all:f:\
	/usr/cnews/spool/out.going/UUCP1/togo

  In particular, you want to know what the INET/INET,/INET2 does for you.
I usually find that, once you know what you're looking for, it's a bit
easier to find.  (:

-- 
John Kennedy/KC6RCK/warlock@ecst.csuchico.edu  "IBM, You BM, We All BM for IBM!"
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
From: coman@swanee.ee.uwa.oz.au (Coman B T)
Subject: Re: Posting via mail?
Cc: coman
Organization: Elec Eng, Univ of Western Australia
Date: 30 Jul 92 11:08:03 GMT

gyro@kestrel.edu (Scott L. Burson) writes:


>Would it make more sense for all my posting to be done via mail?  I seem
>to recall hearing of some machine that will accept mail and forward it
>to the appropriate newsgroup(s).  

Is there a way to post by mail? 

Ben Coman
coman@swanee.ee.uwa.oz.au
From: lear@yeager.corp.sgi.com (Eliot Lear)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Cnews Performance
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:19:16 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA


Chris, how many news readers do you have?
--
Eliot Lear
[lear@sgi.com]
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
From: michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan)
Subject: Re: C news feed restriction not working?!
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 07:12:59 GMT

In article <Bs69tA.8v7@world.std.com> geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer) writes:
>However, 6MB per day is nothing like a full feed.  A full feed averages
>over 35MB per day, with a peak in mid-week (if this is Wednesday, that
>would be 50MB today).  Are you actually getting messages on zetasoft
>containing no groups named in (or implied by) the sys entry for zetasoft,
>or have you just picked some high-volume groups?

Looking through his sys entry, I notice the following rather high volume
groups:

        comp.binaries.mac
        comp.binaries.pc
        rec.music

There are probably others, and there are a *lot* of groups listed...

-- 
Michael Bryan        michael@resonex.com                     |     ,_,
"Pretenders I meet are making a trail along the way.         |    /oo \
They say that they know how to show me a path to guide my    |    <>__|
way to truth..." --- David York, "The Quiet of a Candle"     |    |  U|