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From: CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british
Subject: Newfoundland (was Re: The story of the Scottish flag)
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:03:29 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <katherim.724957616@sfu.ca> katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason) writes:
>
>The dominion of Newfoundland?  Never heard of it.
>
Have a look at the Statute of Westminster, 1931.  It lists the
dominions then extant: the Dominion of Canada, the Commonwealth
of Australia, the Dominion of New Zealand, the Union of South Africa,
the Irish Free State, and Newfoundland.  Nothe that the official
name was not "Dominion of Newfoundland" but simply "Newfoundland".
Nevertheless, Newfoundland _was_ a dominion, in the generic sense.
It lost this status a few years later when it went bankrupt and its
government was taken over by a commission appointed by the British.
The commission government remained until Newfoundland joined Canada
in 1949.

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
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From: achapman@unixg.ubc.ca (Aaron Chapman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Music
Date: 21 Dec 1992 22:10:32 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

For all you enthusiasts of celtic folk-punk music, some of you might be familiar
with the group, "The Men They Couldn't Hang". While the group broke up last year(and while they've done a couple of reunion gigs here and there in the U.K.),
Paul Simmonds and Swill Odgers from TMTCH have a new group going called "LibertyCage". While LC is not so inherently folk-punk flavoured as TMTCH was, the music
is quite good (at least from what I've heard on tape as I haven't seen them liveand they've only played in the U.K.)
I know there are some fans of the group on this newsgroup, so I thought I would
pass the information along. If you'd like to find out more about Liberty Cage 
from the group itself their fan club address is:
THE CAGE
36 Argyle Place
London
W6 ORQ
 
Tell them Aaron from Canada sent you!
 
If there are any other newsgroup members out there that would like to talk
about Celtic music both contemporary and more traditional stuff, do email
me. There are some local groups that you may enjoy, and vice-versa.

achapman@unixg.ubc.ca

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From: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: The story of the Scottish flag
Date: 30 Dec 1992 15:37:50 GMT
Organization: N.I.C.E.
Reply-To: mike@fionn (Michael Helm)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.60

Fragano Ledgister writes:
>Christopher R. Dunlea writes:
>>A "few decades" translates into roughly 1600-1690. I don't know, call

>Indentures were only significant from the 1620s to the 1640s.

Indentured servitude was an important part of the Pennsylvania German
immigration, & this didn't even start until the late 17th century.  I
have seen lists of people in geneaological records who arrived in the
18th century as "redemptioners" -- indentured servants.  This practice
did not die out in the American colonies in the 1600's.
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Dual Citizenship
Date: 27 Dec 92 04:46:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.1992Dec26.204608.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

In article <1992Dec4.153023.21691@cabell.vcu.edu>, dresler@cabell.vcu.edu (Dan Resler) writes:
> kem@electra.Eng.Sun.COM (Michael King) writes:
> 
>> [stuff deleted]
>>
>>Finally, does anyone know if it's possible to hold a dual citizenship
>>with both Irish and U.S. passports?  My main reason for trying to
>>get an Irish passport would be to be able to work in the E.E.C.
>>
> 
> Having dual Irish/US citizenship is a seperate issue from having
> both Irish and US passports. Dual Irish/US citizenship is legal and
> recognized by both countries, although the US *strongly* discourages
> you from getting it (they come at you with all kinds of tough talk
> about how you are jeopardizing your US citizenship, which
> technically is true but in reality they aren't going to worry about
> Irish citizenship. You will, however, be in deep stuff if you do not
> report to the US that you're *applying* for Irish citizenship and
> they then somehow find out about it later). 
> 
> Dual passports, on the other hand, are a different story. I looked
> into it a couple of years ago and got all kinds of conflicting info. 
> It seems that it's illegal from the US point of view, but I'm not
> certain about it. If you're going to do it, I think you've got to
> lie on the US application (not recommended).
> 
> BTW, a few years ago the `street' value of a legal Irish passport in
> London was STG#5000 to #10000. <grin>
> 
> -- 
> Dan Resler                             
> Dept. of Mathematical Sciences        email: dresler@cabell.vcu.edu
> Virginia Commonwealth University
> Richmond, Virginia, USA 23284-2014


Last I heard it was no crime to have dual citizenship, especailly if one of
your parents was say Iris and one was American(US), you just have to age 21 to
decide weather your a Irish Citizen or a US Citizen..

Michael Adams
Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
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From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: Gaellic Spelling
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:47:09 GMT


In article <1992Dec31.100753.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca>, tkeough@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes...
>	I am looking for the correct Gaelic spelling of the name 
>Elizabeth. I first heard the name from the Canadian program Witness.

Which Gaelic? Irish, Scots or Manx?
The Scots Gaelic spelling is "Ealasaid"
I got this from the song "Failte do'n Bhan-righ Ealasaid" by John Angus Macleod.

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From: fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: The story of the Scottish flag
Date: 28 Dec 1992 05:38:28 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <1hm3nsINNpvc@network.ucsd.edu> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) writes:
>
>Indentured servitude, by the way, was reintroduced in the mid-19th
>slavery. Most of the bonded labourers came from the Indian
 ^^^^^^^
       \ this should be 'century'


>subcontinent, though some were brought from Germany and from
>Madeira, and some were recruited in China.  
>
>-- 
>____________________________________________________________________
>Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;                      
>She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
>--------------------------------------------------------------------


-- 
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Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;                      
She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
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From: jaymin@maths.tcd.ie (Jo Jaquinta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Satellite view of Ireland
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:43:21 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.

In article <28092@dog.ee.lbl.gov> mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm) writes:
>I was looking thru Liam de Paor's "Portrait of Ireland" (St Martin's
>Pr, 85) & there's a beautiful satellite view of Ireland in one of the
>first few pages.  Uncredited, unlike the other photo plates.  Is
>anyone familiar with the picture in this book?  How about any pointers
>to other satellite/space pictures of Ireland, Scotland, Brittany, &c?
	The most common satellite view of Ireland I have seen is one
produced by Maptech, 5 South Leinster Street, Dublin 2. They probably
don't sell to mere mortals but they may be able to put you in contact with
someone who does. Their MD owns a peice of the company I work for and they
have stored several thousand poster sized copies in our foyer.

				Jo Grant

_______________________________________________________________________________
Jo Grant			| "Love is blind, or so it seems, to make me
jaymin@lanczos.maths.tcd.ie	| offer you my dreams. But after all is said and
44 Bancroft Ave., Tallaght,	| done, a blind man's dreams are not much fun."
Dublin 24, IRELAND		| -- Horslips, "The Blind Can't Lead the Blind"
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From: taylor@ccrs.emr.ca (Trevor Taylor)
Subject: Meteosat Image
Sre: Satellite view of Ireland
Organization: Canada Centre for Remote Sensing, Ottawa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:49:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.085459.27988@bmers95.bnr.ca> galpmn01@nt.com writes:
>
>European satellite images are available at;
>
>cumulus.met.ed.ac.uk
>
>Here's the greeting....
>
>  220-You are now connected to cumulus.met.ed.ac.uk at the Meteorology Department 
>    of Edinburgh University, Scotland.
>    
>    This provides an anonymous ftp service for:
>    
>      1. images from the METEOSAT-4 and METEOSAT-3 satellites
>      2. contributed software for Computer Aided Learning in Meteorology
>    
>   
>-- 
>Peter McNally		
>Northern Telecom, Galway, Ireland   E-mail  galpmn01@nt.com

	If you are looking for a visually stimulating image do not,
I repeat, do not even think of Meteosat images.

	Go for some nice colour images from the Landsat series of 
sensors. The best place to contact to get names of companies who produce
image posters is called EOSAT, (Lanham, Maryland) . Eosat will provide a list
of companies (I will post their E-mail address when I can find it).

Trevor 


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From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: Kilts
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 12:38:51 GMT


In article <C02FAt.BK2@dcs.ed.ac.uk>, morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay) writes...
>In article <1992Dec27.235242.13342@nuscc.nus.sg> hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell) writes:
>>
>>Now this is interesting because a few years back, the then Lord Lyon King
>>of Arms, head of the College of HEralds in Scotland, Sir Thomas Innes of
>>Learnay by name threatened to imprison tourists who made use of tartans to
>>which they were not entitled. He may have been completly  batty, of
>>course, but presumably he has SOME legal grounds for doing this. 
> 
> 
>I don't believe a word of this!
>Who on earth told you that??
> 

I agree with Morna, this sounds like a wind-up. Are you sure you weren't
reading it in a newspaper dated 1-Apr?

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From: linkletter@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca (NOLLAIG CHRIDHEIL AGUS BLIADHNA MHATH U\R)
Subject: Re: Gaelic Translation and Pronounciation Please
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Holland College - Charlottetown PEI
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:32:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.203429.15306@clts1.comlab.ox.ac.uk>, Geraint.Jones@comlab.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones) writes...
>halchuk@seismo.emr.ca wrote:
> A post doctoral fellow from Scotland has offered special Scottish 
> delicacies (haggis?) for the correct pronounciation and translation
> of the following phrase:
>  
> "Nollaig chridheil agus bliadhna mhath 'ur"
>  
> any help in translating this would be greatly appreciated

This is Scottish Gaelic for Merry Christmas and Happy New year:
Nollaig=Christmas, chridheil=merry, agus=and, bliadhna=year, mhath=good, 
and ur=new.  It is pronounced: Nolek chriyel agus blee-ya-na va oor!  Where 
the 'ch' represents a rasping sound in the back of the mouth, if you can't 
pronounce it right, then use a hard 'k' sound.  Also the "r's" are rolled 
if you can do it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Michael Linkletter                                
Charlottetown,                         Linkletter@Venus.CC.HollandC.PE.CA
Prince Edward Island,
Canada                     
                        "Ar Ca\nain 's ar Ceo\l"
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From: gardner_c@apollo.hp.com (Cal Gardner)
Subject: Re: The story of the Scottish flag
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 02:35:51 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1hacbkINNr8t@network.ucsd.edu> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) writes:
>In article <1992Dec23.013822.2855@newstand.syr.edu> crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea) writes:
>>In article <1h5lrgINNd17@network.ucsd.edu> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) writes:
>>>
>>>Since no permanent settlement was made anywhere outside of the
>>>British Isles (except for the Somers' Islands, I think), until the
>>>reign of James I & VI, this happens not to be the case.
>>>
>>What about Roanoke? Martin's Hundred, VA? Those were certainly before 
>>1603, no?
>>
>>
>
>The key word above is permanent. Roanoke failed, the population
>vanished.
>-- 
>____________________________________________________________________
>Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;                      
>She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
>--------------------------------------------------------------------

And Martin's Hundred POST-dates 1607 (Jamestown) I might add.

Cal gardner_c@apollo.hp.com
From: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Kilts
Date: 30 Dec 92 09:20:52 GMT
Reply-To: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <1992Dec27.235242.13342@nuscc.nus.sg> hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell) writes:
>
>Now this is interesting because a few years back, the then Lord Lyon King
>of Arms, head of the College of HEralds in Scotland, Sir Thomas Innes of
>Learnay by name threatened to imprison tourists who made use of tartans to
>which they were not entitled. He may have been completly  batty, of
>course, but presumably he has SOME legal grounds for doing this. 


I don't believe a word of this!
Who on earth told you that??




M



-- 
Morna Findlay 					JANET:morna@uk.ac.ed.dcs 
	Thanksgiving For a National Victory (Robert Burns)
Ye hypocrites! are these your pranks? To murder men and give God thanks?
Desist, for shame! Proceed no further: God won't accept your thanks for murther.
From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Subject: Re: Kilts
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 23:52:42 GMT

REEVESJ@QUCDN.QueensU.CA () writes:
: In Scotland one can change names at any time without going to court
: or paying any money, as in some other cultures.  If you want to call
: yourself Coffee Table, you simply do so.  You many go to the bank and
: they will change your name on your forms.  You may also have as many
: names as you like.  The only restriction is that one may not take
: a royal title, like King, Queen, etc.  So presumably one may choose
: an appealing tartan and adopt the name.  It might be wise to avoid
: Campbell if planning to visit Glencoe...

Now this is interesting because a few years back, the then Lord Lyon King
of Arms, head of the College of HEralds in Scotland, Sir Thomas Innes of
Learnay by name threatened to imprison tourists who made use of tartans to
which they were not entitled. He may have been completly  batty, of
course, but presumably he has SOME legal grounds for doing this. There
seems to be a great distance between legal conservation of family names -
and therefor kinship relations - and the desire to call yourself Coffee
Table! Unless this comes from old practices of attatching yourself to a
new patron by adopting his clan name. ANyone got any ideas about this?

Richard Pennell History NUS.
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From: fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: The story of the Scottish flag
Date: 1 Jan 1993 23:51:40 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <28174@dog.ee.lbl.gov> mike@fionn (Michael Helm) writes:
>Fragano Ledgister writes:
>>Christopher R. Dunlea writes:
>>>A "few decades" translates into roughly 1600-1690. I don't know, call
>
>>Indentures were only significant from the 1620s to the 1640s.
>
>Indentured servitude was an important part of the Pennsylvania German
>immigration, & this didn't even start until the late 17th century.  I
>have seen lists of people in geneaological records who arrived in the
>18th century as "redemptioners" -- indentured servants.  This practice
>did not die out in the American colonies in the 1600's.

Significance in a colonial empire that stretched from Newfoundland
to Barbados is a little different from significance in one colony in
that geographic region. I take your point, though, that it continued
later.

In the British empire, strictu sensu, indentured labour was used in
the 19th century in the Caribbean, Indian Ocean and Pacific Ocean
colonies.
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Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;                      
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From: jlloyd@cc.uow.edu.au (Jonathan Lloyd)
Subject: Re: UK unemployment figures
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 21:26:51 GMT

mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:

>Oh, come on, this is very feeble. In my experience, the sort of
>Scot or northerner who emigrates to the south-east is likely to
>be the educated professional person who moves south to get a
>well-paid job and then adds to the figures of the supposed
>wealthy south. Yes, there is a professional class which looks
>at the whole UK as its job market, and tends to find more jobs
>in the south-east. But all this means to real southerners is
>that there are a lot of grotty service jobs serving these our
>lords and masters.

Actually Matthew today there is a well paid professional class who look at the
whole world as its job market. If you came to Australia you will find this to
even more so. The locals everywhere tend to end up doing grotty service jobs.
Those people who have the get up and go to go out and find something better
always seem to do better than the established locals, who on the whole tend
to be less innovative and less ambitious. They also tend to be resentful
of the new arrivals when they are plainly doing better. 

This is nothing new. It has gone on throughout history!

-Jonathan.

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From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
Subject: Re: The story of the Scottish flag
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 17:38:22 EST

In article <1h098aINNfmv@network.ucsd.edu> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) writes:
>
>>Canada, too, was partially in English possession by 1603 because Humphrey 
>>Gilbert and Raleigh established bases in Newfoundland. 
>
>How long did Gilbert's settlement in Newfoundland last? What, by the
>way, did Raleigh have to do with Newfoundland? I'd thought that he
>had rather more to do with Virginia, Trinidad (which he briefly
>seized) and the Guianas.

Newfoundland was essentially a trading post. There is strong evidence
that Newfoundland had been a trading post since the mid-1500's so there
is nothing new in this. Mostly fishermen and a fur trade post. 

Raleigh was involved in Virginia, Guyana, Trinidad and Yucatan as well
as Newfoundland. Raleigh's main purpose in Newfoundland was to try and
keep his half brother Humphrey alive...:-)

>>Of ourse, the whole argument is facetious. It doesn't matter a
>>fig, because England is and always has been the ONLY nation of the
>>United kingdom that really mattered throughout its history.
>>
>>Chris Still the Smartass
>
>I await the descent upon your head of the combined wrath of all
>Scottish, Welsh and (Northern) Irish readers.  

Oh get off it! Whose monarchical family rules Britain? Where is 
Parliament? Why were the Scots joining English trading firms in 
the 16th-17th centuries? Why did they emigrate to ENGLISH America?
Name me a single Scottish, Welsh or Irish colony in the New World 
administered in the name of Scotland, Wales or Ireland! What language 
is spoken in the halls of government in any of these places? I 
agree that Gaelic in Scotland is still spoken, but how many Scottish
Parliamentarians spoke on Gaelic? No one can possibly argue the
dominance of England over the other three UK realms. 

And to prove that I have yet to receive any "combined wrath" you
speak of. 

Chris
From: ssrzakar@csres.cs.reading.ac.uk (M. S. Zakaria)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: What is sago?
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:43:34 GMT
Organization: University of Reading

walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,) writes:

>From article <1992Dec16.211542.15890@PacBell.COM>, by rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams):
>>> walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker) writes:
>>>> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>>>>> esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse) writes:
>> 
>>>>>I have a cookbook called "Recipes from the Orkney Islands" published
>>>>>in 1978.  One of the recipes for a tomato soup calls for something
>>>>>called sago.  I've never heard of it.  Can someone help?
>>>> 
>>>> Though my dictionary says otherwise, I've always heard
>>>> it's the same thing as semolina...
>>>
>>>Sago is the suff with the "balls" in it, while semolina is much
>>>smoother.
>> 
>> Tapioca is the stuff with the balls in it.  Sago is smooth,
>> just like semolina!
>> -- 
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> rod williams -=- pacific bell -=- san ramon, ca -=- rjwill6@pacbell.com
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

>Your right, its been a long time since I had either.

>									GW
Sago is from Sago tree (it's like a palm tree). It's one of the export
product of Malaysia's state of Sarawak. 

I'll be happy to provide a sample if anybody interested.
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