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From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: ERETZ YISRAEL (was Re: deportation)
Date: 29 Dec 92 09:10:33 GMT
Organization: Math & CS, BarIlan U, Ramat-Gan, Israel

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In article <92363.183522CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
CARIAN@auvm.american.edu writes:

>If you mean that Eretz Yisrael is the homeland of the Jews and not of
>any other nation as well then you are wrong, because it is also the
> homeland of the Palestinians.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

How come?
You should learn first about the strangers population in eretz yisrael
before writing something like that.
Please read Britanica 1910 "Palestine -population " and other sources.
The strangers ("Arabs") are mainly new commers: Gypsies, Egyptians,
Persians, Bosnians, Afghans, Algirians, Syrians...
The term "Palestians" was used during WW2 to describe the Jews from
eretz yisrael volunteered to fight Germany ( Oxford dic.). This term
was adopted during the last 20 years by the Arabian propaganda in
order to convince people as if the non Jews in Erets Yisrael form a
specific society.

>I fully expect to get flamed for this, but it seems to me that whether or not
>the Palestinians are or aren't a nation is not a matter for Jews to decide.
>It's their own business.
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Far a way from that.
Knesset member Hashem Mahmid a leader of the strangers ("Arabs")
called for killing Jews "not by stones only"

 THAT IS OUR BUSENESS !

TUFIC ZAYAD , a nother Arabian knesset member declared yesterday in
the knesset :"We shell eat you ! we shell drink you , we shell prune
your testeses " he demonstrated with his hands how he expected the Arabs
to prune the testeses of the Jews!

 THAT IS OUR BUSENESS !

There was a general Arabian strike in Israel demonstrating their
support with the Hamass murderers. The strike was organized by all
Israely Arabian leaders.

 THAT IS OUR BUSENESS !

When persons try making the impression as if the arabian aspirations
are influent by the american costitution spirit and not by the Arabian
culture, when persons tried to keep us a way from seeing the fact that
Arabs want kill us then it is our buisness!!

>Rabbi Charles Arian
>CARIAN@american.edu

Since some of the readers are not aware to the fact that "Rabbi" is a
last name, and since Mr. Rabbi article is defenitely against Jewish
halacha ( you are not suppose to put an obstacle in front of a blind)
it would be nice if Mr. rabbi will not use his name as if it is a
title.
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Inquiry
Date: 3 Jan 93 08:51:14 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <C09Hrn.B1u@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> kgivon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (karen lee givon) writes:
>
>I was eating dinner once with a Muslim Arab friend of mine and we were
>discussing the similarities of Islam and Judaism.  He quoted an old
>saying that he had heard in his country, Yemen:
>
>it was something like--Eat with Jews and sleep with Christians.
>Meaning that a Muslim can trust a Jew's food but cannot trust a Jew
>enough to sleep in the same house with him.

Actually, the saying is "Eat with the Jews and *dont* sleep in the
Christian house" because the food of the Jews is kosher, but you
cannot trust the Christians.  It is just a saying, however, and does
not have any relevance to the Quoran or Hadith.

Btw, did your ex feel the same way?  :-)

Anisa

	"Oh I'd build you a kingdom in the house on the hill ..."

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From: jtauber@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (James Tauber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Christianity vs. the Jews
Date: 21 Dec 1992 09:51:19 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
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Mark Ira Kaufman (bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:
: 
:    There have been various recent efforts to link Christianity to 
: Judaism.

This is based on the false belief that Rabbinical Judaism = OT Judaism.

:    To begin, there is much about how Christians worship that Jews
: regard as idol-worship.

There is much about how "Christians" worship that God regards as
idol-worship!

: prayer is wierd and demeaning.  Jews actually do not have visions
: of God, let alone any sort of icons.

I don't have visions of God, nor icons. I do, though, receive
prophecy through the Ruach Elohim.

:    Moshiach(messiah) is not a supernatural being.  He is supposed
: to be a man, and only a man.  For this reason, it is not possible
: for the Jewish messiah to be born, die, and be resurrected, so he
: can try to get right what he never accomplished the first time.

Why does it follow that if the messiah is a man, he cannot be born, die
and be resurrected?
    
:    And finally, the concept of God crucifying his own son for the
: sins of any other person, let alone all of humanity, is, from the 
: Jewish point of view, totally unacceptable.  It flies in the face
: of everything that is important in Judasim.

It doesn't seem to fly in the face of Torah!

: Judaism teaches that
: salvation is achievable by how one behaves.  In Judaism, even the
: atheist who behaves in a decent and kind manner will have a place
: in the world to come.  Since people of any creed have the ability
: to behave in a holy and humane manner, Jews beleive that ANY good
: person can go to heaven.  As the old ad slogan for the kosher rye
: bread claimed, you don't have to be Jewish...
:
The Tanakh doesn't teach this. How can a holy God allow an atheist
a place in the world to come?
I agree with you that any good person can go to heaven. The problem is,
there are no good people without teshuvah and atonement.
 
:    I hope that this is not regarded as judgement of Christianity, 
: for it is not.  Please consider this as simply an explanation why 
: Christianity can never find common ground with Judaism.  It is my
: hope that this will shed light on why Jews are so deeply offended 
: by, and resentful of, Christian proselytising.

I can understand why Jews are so deeply offended by Christian proselytising.
But understand - Christians take the judgements of the prophets a little
more seriously than most Jews and as far as I'm concerned,
no Jew fulfills the obligation of Torah. Teshuvah and Atonement. Where are
they?

It might be wise to flame me by e-mail rather than here.

In His Majesty's Service

James Tauber

jtauber@tartarus.uwa.edu.au
From: a0cb@odin.cc.pdx.edu (Chris Bertholf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Disturbing comments
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:28:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.6630

:In article <CPLS13-181292133056@145.1.92.160> CPLS13@email.mot.com (Steven_Cohn) writes:
:>The following posting was clipped from misc.consumers.  It contains some
:>rather disturbing comments which I would like to respond to, but am not
:>quite sure the best approach.  Can someone make some suggestions?
:[....]
:>
:>>> In misc.consumers, imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar) writes:
:>>> 
:>>> If you are considering joining Prodigy as a new member, or left and are
:>>> considering rejoining with their "come back" mailing efforts, or are
:>>> just thinking Prodigy is the service you should use - just several
:>>> pairs of two words:  STAY AWAY!  IT SUCKS!  BAD MOVE!
:[....]
:>
:>>What I see here is the ramblings of anti-semitism!  It is no secret that the
:> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:>>parent companies of Prodigy have a strong Jewish backing.  And with a name
:>>like "Imran Anwar", it does not surprise me that you should have such a hate
:>>for anything that smells Jewish.  In fact, I have a very good Lebanese friend
:>>here who will have absolutely nothing to do with Prodigy because of this.
:>>Personally, I think you guys are missing out on one of the greatest online
:>>services provided.

Here we go again!  A person with an Arabic surname has an opinion about a
consumer service.  Of course, we all know that there is Jewish involvement
with the company, thus so must have the person with the Arabic surname.
And, obviously, his rambling MUST BE anti-semitic, since he has this
Arabic surname and has made a general statement of his satisfaction as
a consumer with a company that has some Jewish backing.

Do you realize how paranoid you are!

Sick! Really sick and twisted.
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From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Kahane's philosophy
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 01:17:55 GMT

In article <3107@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:

# In <1992Dec18.012721.23664@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
 
# me: If an action was objectionable when Jews were the recipient, it
# me: remains objectionable if another ethnic group is, with Jews those
# me: doing it.  Since I agree neither to the expulsion/disenfranchisement
# me: of Israeli citizens based on their religion/ethnicity, nor to the
# me: disbandment of the Jewish State, I prefer other solutions.
 
# > I prefer other solutions also.  Unfortunately, they don't exist.
 
# Were I convinced of this, I would have stayed in the US.

	I would like to be convinced of this also.  What are these other
solutions?
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
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From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 03:15:00 GMT

In article <1hj6bfINN7tb@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
 
# In a previous article, astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) says:
 
# >Excellent.  You have shown that one can be both a professional and a
# >terrorist.  Does being a professional excuse one from the consequences
# >of being a terrorist as well?
 
# What I have shown is how ugly some jews are.  And just
# to keep it for the record, no body of these deportees was convicted  
# to be a member of Hamas.  
 
# How is it possible to convict 418 people in less than hour?  They must have
# super computerized-brain judges who can convict 1000 criminals/hour!

	Lets say, for the sake of argument, that the deportations were
unjustified (in actuality, the only thing unjustified was that not
enough were deported).  The only possible reason for printing that was
to show that a person's profession can justify their actions.o

	We will remember that.
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
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From: jacobw@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jacob Solomon Weinstein)
Subject: Re: Inquiry
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 03:03:53 GMT

muskudar@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Michael Uskudarli)  wrote:
# 1) I was told by a muslim that a muslim can eat anything that is Kosher for
# a jewish person. Is this true? If it is I am dumbfounded. Thinking that for
# a person (muslim) who regards another person ( a jew) as an arch enemy
# and than to claim that since the torah was actually correct at first and
# than corrupted that they can eat what you can. Do you find this utterly
# weird?
	Michael, I think you're confused on a few accounts. First of
all, Muslims do NOT regard Jews as arch enemies. Only fundamentalist, fanatic
Muslims regard any non-Muslim as an enemy, just as only 
fundamentalist, fanatic Jews regard any gentile as an enemy.
Rational human beings generally choose their enemies based on their actions, 
not on their religious preferences. Unfortunately, it's much easier 
to get on the news by being a fanatic than by being rational, and many people
therefore have bought into the stereotype that 1)all Muslims are Arabs,
and vice-versa; and 2)all Muslims and Arabs are fanatical, intolerant
terrorists. Both of these stereotypes are false.
	Next, it's not so much that Muslims are allowed to eat the same
things we eat; if you think about it, you'll realize it would be kind of
silly to say that they couldn't. Since observant Jews eat just about everything
except pork and shellfish, that would mean Muslims couldn't eat fruits,
vegetables, beef, or fish. It is true that Muslims are forbidden from
eating some of the same things that Judaism forbids. Muslims cannot eat
pork; I don't know if they are prohibited from, say, shellfish, or if
their meat has to be killed in a specific fashion. I _think_ that the
dietary laws of Islam are less strict than those of Judiasm, but I'm
not sure. (Islam forbids the consumption of alcohol, by the way--
I don't know if that would count as a dietary law or not.)
	Finally--and here I am venturing onto shaky ground, as
I know very little about this-- I don't think that Islam views the Torah
as wrong or corrupted; the Torah is seen as the first of Allah's
revalations to man. The Gospels were the second--Islam views Jesus as a
prophet, but not as divine-- and the Koran is the third and final
revalation. As I said, though, I'm really not sure about this last
point, and I'd welcome correction.
	It has always seemed to me that Islam and Judaism are very close
to each other in terms of outlook-- certainly far closer to each other
than either is to Christianity.
From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: SCJ Gathering in Jerusalem (Dec 28th)
Date: 22 Dec 92 11:55:10 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

S.C.J.ers in Israel will be meeting in Jerusalem at the OFF THE SQUARE
restaurant in Kikar Zion on Monday December 28th at 7 p.m.

You're all invited to join us.

Josh
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL
From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: (Jewish) Kabbalistic Meditation ?
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:54:16 -0500
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation
Distribution: world
Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
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saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
> > Traditionally, one isn't supposed to study the Zohar until one is 40 
> >years old and married.  This probably has to do with the sexual 
> >imagery in the Zohar as well as dangers from sitrah achra to the 
> >uniniated.  The potential for abuse is high.  Although not explicitly 
> >stated, one is probably also supposed to be a male.  Some of the Zohar 
> >is misogynistic. 
>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
> 
> And calling it "misognystic" is a clear example of why goofy Catholics (
> Spawn of a Jewish Carpenter (Cindy Smith)) ought not attempt to study 
> it. 

<raised eyebrow>  While you might complain about her understanding of it, I 
would think that this would call for more study, not less :), and "goofy 
Catholic" seems a little harsh (though, admittedly, I don't of her past 
history in this newsgroup).

More seriously, though, I would agree with the previous poster (Len 
Moskowitz, I think) who recommended sticking solely with Jewish sources.  As 
a Christian mystic myself, I find that most of the non-Judaic translations of 
and commentaries on the Kabbalah are quite distorted, even within the limited 
scope of my current understanding.  Furthermore, I don't think it's possible 
to study the Kabbalah effectively without thereby studying Judaism as a whole.

Likewise, I have to say that I see some sense in not studying it until middle 
age (although I'd understood the traditional age to be 30, not 40).  This is 
not so much because of the sexual imagery,as Cindy puts it, but simply 
because, even at best, I don't think it would make sense to anyone without a 
fair amount of life experience.  At worst, someone could dreadfully 
misapprehend much of it, and get very confused as a result.  Certainly, no 
one should approach the Kabbalah (or, for that matter, mysticism of any sort) 
without a deep, strong current of caution and reverence.




Amanda Walker
InterCon Systems Corporation
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Date: 1 Jan 93 09:29:15 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <isaac.725802594@etrog> isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Dr Isaac Balbin) writes:
>
>Don't use Religion to hide the bloodied knife of those who have
>no respect for others.

As you stated in another post, 'MEMBERSHIP to this group' is a crime
in itself, according to Israel.  This was the most convenient and
reliable excuse that Israel had to condone its actions.  Pure and
simple.

>These are the same blood curdlers who scream for Salman Rushdie's life
>without regard for other countries laws.

Don't try to tie in two separate issues.  The Salman Rushdie affair is
dead and buried.  And if you want to use double standards about regard
for human life and international law, it adds very little value or
credibility to your statements.  And you don't even have to scream
religion, except when your own people were genocided by Nazis.

Anisa

"Glad to see that we're debating with sensible fanatics here."
						Alan H. Stein

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: Texan self-mockery
Summary: :-), dammit
Organization: People's Front of Judea
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 21:49:06 GMT

In article <103247@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
>From Molly Ivins MOLLY IVINS CAN'T SAY THAT, CAN SHE?, p 50:
>
>	Texas is going broke in style. We make jokes all
>	the way to the bankruptcy court and keep making
>	them while we're standing in line to file. Since
>	we know no one is going to feel sorry for us, we
>	figure we might as well laugh.
>
>	Wanna know how to get an oilman down out of the
>	tree? Cut the rope.
>
>So, Mitchell, you want to tell us what's wrong with these bankrupt
>Texans?  They don't have big noses.  Perhaps it's their big rear ends?

It's still antisemitism. Texans wear hats indoors, right?
-- 
Andrew Solovay    
                "I know that, in America and under capitalism,
                 I am the freest woman in history."
                                --- Camille Paglia
From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: A self-confessed silly thread: Jewish Rock/Pop Stars
Date: 27 Dec 1992 17:52:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


Simon and Garfunkle
Donald Fagen and Walter becker (Steely Dan)
Carole King
Mama Cass


   If this thread ever shifts from pop to jazz, I'll be able to
go crazy with names!!!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
From: isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Dr Isaac Balbin)
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Organization: Collaborative Information Technology Research Institute
Date:  1 Jan 93 01:55:15 GMT

eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:

>If this were indeed true, then it would hold up in a court of law.
>Why did Israel not put these people on trial, if they are such heinous
>criminals?  Why flaunt international law and deport these people?  Why
>not try and jail them?
I see, so what you are saying is that since Israel did not  do so, they
can't have been terrorists. No you aren't saying  that. You were talking
about Hamas in general. What *are* you saying?

>If you can demonstrate that these people are terrorists, please do so.
The supreme court of Israel was satisfied that these people can be
booted out. That's all folks, there isn't a need for anymore.

>List for me the terrorist actions that each one has done.  
I am sure that you can find this out as the Supreme court did.
>Otherwise
>the accusations against them are unsubstantiated, ill-founded
>guilt-by-association arguments.
Guilt by MEMBERSHIP mate. Membership of a terrorist outfit is
a crime. This is a violent group who hides behind the Koran.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: norm@helix.nih.gov(Norm Friedman)
Subject: Re: land for peace----- NOT!!!!!!
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <norm@helix.nih.gov(Norm Friedman)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:06:23 GMT

>In article <1992Dec17.154620.54962@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu
>(MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN) writes:
>
>>There has been much talk of land for peace, that the Jews should for some
>>reason be forced to part with the only commmodity they have.  This is
>>ridiculous.  Come on.  Look at a fucking map, color the arab areas red and the
>>Israeli area blue.  Not much blue is there, Lot of red isn't there, can't the
>>palestinians find a wee bit of red area to call their own.  While we are at
>>it, color the oil producing areas black, coincides with a lot of the red
>>doesn't it, none of the blue getting darker is it?  Don't give the Arab's
>>another fucking acre.  Right now it seems that the Israelis are the most
>>powerful in the area, so peace for the arabs and israelis is a mutually
>>advantageous situation.  Everytime the state of israel made land gains it has
>>been after a blatant arab agression.  I say fuck the arabs, they don't deserve
>>concessions, every time you deal with the arab leadership (I don't mean the
>>average arab off the street) they turn around and spit in your face.  SEE PAST
>>AGRESSION.  I am sorry for being rude but some damn palestinian kid was just
>>talking about how jews and israel were the great satan and it really began to
>>bother me, so I had to get it off my chest.  But in all seriousness, trade
>>peace for peace, you stop bombing us, we'll stop bombing you, but as long as
>>the arabs continue to perpertrate the agression on us, I see no reason why we
>>should not fight back.
>
>I believe that Jews and Arabs must respect and understand one another before
>a lasting peace can be created in the Middle East.  Instead of showing that
>understanding, Michael has written an article which is rude and insensitive
>towards the Arab people.  Such an article can only make the situation worse,
>and I certainly hope that only a very small minority of Jews share Michael's
>views.
>
>Marc Krawitz
I for one share his ideas, (maybe not the vocabulary)...

I WONDER HOW MANY A-RABS SHARE YOUR VIEWS!!
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From: seth@inst-sun1.tmc.edu (Seth Chazanoff)
Subject: Re: Jewish STEREOTYPES - the last time
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA, USA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:39:19 GMT

Eli

	Re: what kind of a Jewish gvetch is Nuts 

	My parents only spoke yiddish when they didn't want my sister and I to 
not know what they were saying.  The only gvetch I heard while growing up was
`Oy Vey', which I admit would have been applicable.  I did not grow up in a
neighborhood that contained a large number of Jews (you probably guessed).
My wife, however, is being very patient while trying to bring me up to speed.

				Seth




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