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From: yuri@physics.heriot-watt.ac.uk (Yuri Rzhanov)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Text in XView
Date: 6 Sep 92 12:14:23 GMT
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Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Via: uk.ac.heriot-watt.physics; Sun, 6 Sep 1992 10:06:32 +0100
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 10:06:19 BST
Message-Id: <8506.9209060906@photon.phy.hw.ac.uk>


Hi, Xperts,

I'd like to process the text in Textsw in my own way,
(in other words, to write my own textsw_store_file procedure).
But I can not figure out where the text is stored. Of course
I can maintain my own string containing all the characters
but it will require processing of all arrow keys, delete and
keyboard accelerators, which is nontrivial.

Any pointers are greatly appreciated.

E-mail replies are preferred: yuri@uk.ac.hw.phy

	Thanks in advance, Yuri
From: fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu (Faisal Nameer Jawdat)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:50:43 GMT
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Organization: Sophomore, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Date: 9 Sep 92 22:48:05 GMT
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors,alt.religion.computers

mark@spider.co.uk (Mark Valentine) writes:
> 
> Scrollbars are another GUI feature that seem simply to waste real estate
> most of the time.  Most people I point it out to are pleasantly surprised
> to learn that SHIFT-PGUP does the sensible thing by default in xterm (well,
> half-sensible, I customised it to go a full page).  What's more, no scroll-
> bar I've seen has given me the ease of control that a simple pair of keys
> give me (back about four pages? blam, blam, blam, blam! oops, missed it
> there, blam! gotcha!!).

off topic:
not to mention a blatant NeXT plug:
NeXT scrollbars are the ONLY good implementation of this I have seen -
click somewhere in the scroll space and the bar moves right there (the
bar is also sized proportionally to the visible space / scrollable
space ratio), move the bar by dragging it around, and the workspace
(text, picture, whatever) moves accordingly, smoothly, and at the
correct rate (1:1k mapping, where k is the proportion between the
scrollable distance on the bar and in the scrolled object), and the
buttons at the ends of the scrollbar are in pairs so if you miss and
have to back up, you just move 1/8 inch, not all the way to the other
end of the bar
From: stine@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM (John P. Stine x7381)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: DOS emulator under X?
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:25:49 GMT
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Organization: Paramax Systems Corporation, Reston, VA

Date: 8 Sep 92 19:58:34 GMT
Message-Id: <1736@aviary.Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.unix.questions

I'm looking for a DOS emulator for a Unix platform.  I've found
SunPC 3.0, which runs under Open Windows.  I was hoping someone
out there has heard of such an animal for an X environment.

I'll summarize my findings to comp.windows.x if there's 
sufficient interest in this.

Thanks in advance for your help and insight.

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From: william@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (William Cheng)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: strange ordering of fonts in the R5 font server...
Date: 10 Sep 92 02:53:50 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department

Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 07:16:07 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep9.071607.3471@cs.ucla.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Sep7.161805@nt1l.krl.com> aardvark@nt1l.krl.com (Donald Koch) writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.061956.2735@cs.ucla.edu>, william@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (William Cheng) writes:
>> When I do:  xlsfonts -fn "-*-courier-medium-r-normal--18-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1"
>> I get the following result on my SUN:
>> 
>> -adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--18-0-100-100-m-0-iso8859-1
>> -adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--18-0-75-75-m-0-iso8859-1
>> -adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--18-180-75-75-m-110-iso8859-1
>> -bitstream-courier-medium-r-normal--18-0-0-0-m-0-iso8859-1
>
>Note that xlsfonts sorts the fonts alphabetically.  If you want the fonts in
>the order it found them, use the -u option (keep unsorted).
>
>You'll probably find that the fonts are in the order you expected.

I tried the -u option, and got the following result:

-bitstream-courier-medium-r-normal--18-0-0-0-m-0-iso8859-1
-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--18-0-75-75-m-0-iso8859-1
-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--18-180-75-75-m-110-iso8859-1
-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--18-0-100-100-m-0-iso8859-1

The 75dpi (good) fonts still appear in the middle!  Any clues?
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From: chris@vision.co.uk (Chris Davies)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: XVision Problems --- Ooop Ack!!!!!
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:23:02 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: VisionWare Ltd., Leeds, UK

Date: 11 Sep 92 16:23:24 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep11.162324.13632@visionware.co.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Dr. Matt Perry (perry@sun1.coe.ttu.edu) wrote:
: I have been having trouble running some X11R4 clients in VisionWare's
: XVision package.  I have been in contact with Unipress (Visionware's
: US tech support) for THREE weeks now and have gotten nowhere.

: If the real Visionware people are reading this how about
: getting on this and try and help me.

Telephone +44 532 743234 (technical support hot line) or email
support@visionware.co.uk.  The T/S fax number is +44 532 783726.  Our
US office (+1 415 325 2113) does not yet offer technical support but it
will do (next month, I think).  Support hours are 0900 to 2200 hours
GMT.

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From: jfieber@sophia.smith.edu (John Fieber)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:28:47 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Smith College

Date: 10 Sep 92 14:53:45 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep10.145345.17065@sophia.smith.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors,alt.religion.computers

In article <oefiyZO00VAt5mSIYY@andrew.cmu.edu> fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu (Faisal Nameer Jawdat) writes:
>NeXT scrollbars are the ONLY good implementation of this I have seen -

Except for one small detail, scrollbars on the Amiga work exactly
like those on the NeXT. (or was that the other way around?)
Difference: clicking in the scrollspace moves the "knob" by the
height (or width) of the knob.  The difference is with the Amiga,
I typically do a click to move a short distance and a drag to
move a long distance.  The NeXT is just the reverse.  Six one,
half a dozen the other I guess.

>click somewhere in the scroll space and the bar moves right there (the
>bar is also sized proportionally to the visible space / scrollable
>space ratio), move the bar by dragging it around, and the workspace

I always took proportional scrollbars for granted until I
recently started working on a Mac.  If you are going to use up
precious screen space with scroll bars, they should at least
convey as much useful information as possible.  In a text editor,
for example, with a proportional scroll bar you can at a quick
glance not only tell where you are in a document, but how big the
document is.  

It really baffles me why other window systems have not adopted
proportional scroll bars.  It is not like they are a new concept
or something---the Amiga has been using them for about 7 years
now.  (And I seriously doubt Commodore would try to sue anybody
else who used them!)

-john


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From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 6 Sep 92 19:20:59 GMT
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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 13:09:10 GMT
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors

In article <3SEP199217474904@rover.uchicago.edu> frank@rover.uchicago.edu writes:
>	Trackballs, etc are good for menuing, where getting there is important,
>	but getting there in a very straignt line may not be.

I disagree. I've used trackballs and I've used mice. With mice, I just move
my hand to the destination. I don't even have to look at the screen much of
the time, because I have the basic skills (writing) needed to closely control
my hand and arm position. Trackballs I have to watch, and I overshoot, and
correct, and overcorrect.

And it's not a matter of the baby duck situation, because I'm old enough that
I was using trackballs long before mice showed up on machines made for the
general public. Trackballs are simply harder to use and require more training.

As for freehand sketching, the mouse is NOT good enough, really. You don't
have detailed enough control. Try a pen digitizer.
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From: dichter@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Carl Dichter)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Stack Traceback program wanted
Date: 12 Sep 92 23:40:41 GMT
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Date: 12 Sep 92 02:16:19 GMT
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Newsgroups: comp.sources.wanted,comp.unix.questions,comp.windows.x


If you've got a core file, your fine:
1. The file format for core in documented in the man pages: core (5)
2. Better yet, most debuggers can read the core file and provide 
   basic traceback even if the code isn't compiled for debug (unless 
   it has been stripped), if it has been compiled for debug, you'll
   get the values of the passed params as well. 
   Someone posted an example using adb. With dbx it's:
    $ my_program (run till crash and burn)
    $ dbx my_program core
    (dbx) where

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From: jty@cs.tut.fi (Yli-Nokari Jyrki)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: xterm reverse video garbles display on sun ipx
Date: 10 Sep 92 08:52:59 GMT
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Organization: Tampere University of Technology

Date: 10 Sep 92 06:47:29 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep10.064729.12759@funet.fi>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

I have an annoying problem when running sun's /usr/openwin/demo/xterm
with (at least) adobe courier font: It seems that when a (curses) program
erases reverse-video text from screen by overwriting it with blanks,
the lowest line of pixels is not erased. I guess this is a font problem,
but how can I fix it?

As an aside, I would like to have the dec linedraw character set available,
but this seems to be hacked to only vtsingle, vtbold fonts (that are both too
small and non-iso8859/1. Any nice ways to add them automatically to sun
postscript fonts?

Thank you in advance,

Jyrki Yli-Nokari

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From: sinan@Mtesol.boeing.com (Sinan Karasu)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Compile X11 under Solaris 2.0
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:38:01 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 11:24:36 PDT
Message-Id: <9209041824.AA04029@mtesol>


 etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon) writes:
> In article <1992Sep3.235234@nt1l.krl.com>, 
> aardvark@nt1l.krl.com (Donald Koch) writes:
> |> In article <9209031847.AA02731@mtesol>, 
> |> sinan@Mtesol.boeing.COM (Sinan Karasu) writes:
> |> [...]
> |> >  I have a very simple question. I don't quite understand what is at
....
> |> 
> |> I believe that OpenLook comes with a Sun out of the box.  Slight difference.
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
     Openlook is simply layered on X11R4 (or X11R5 whetevr the case of Sun OS is)
     which you don't have to run.....
     Do a directory listing on $OPENWINHOME/{bin,lib,include} :-)

> |> Like no imake or xmkmf (useful for building other X goodies), an xterm that
 ...... 
> A slight error I believe, OW 3 has imake and xmkmf:
> 
>  eos95 ~ 2 > ls /usr/openwin/bin/{xmkmf,imake}
> -rwxrwxr-x   1 bin        16948 Feb  5  1992 /usr/openwin/bin/imake*
> -rwxrwxr-x   1 bin          698 Feb  5  1992 /usr/openwin/bin/xmkmf*
>  eos95 ~ 3 > uname -a
> SunOS eos95 5.0 Beta sun4c sparc
> 
> It is, I believe, broken but it is there. As to the rest I heartily
> agree, along with the added performance that X11 gives.
> 
> 
> Ericsson Telecom AB
> Stockholm
> 
 So you can use 
1) OpenLook and X11Rx as it comes out of the box
   or
2) Use X11Rx as it cokmes out of the box
   or
3) Rebuild X11Rx and use that if you want to...

   I've ported XView to different platforms and all went relatively well, the only
problem I had was certain files missing in other X11Rx platforms ( which were
supposed to be standard and these were standard X11Rx files ) so I ftp'd them
from X11R5 at MIT. These files were always on Sun Machines (maybe that is why 
their system is so big???)
Sinan
From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: MS-Windows -> X11 / How to port?
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:14:10 GMT
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Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

Date: 4 Sep 92 15:44:44 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep4.164444.2400@lsl.co.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Sep2.010832.22454@bmers145.bnr.ca>, friedman@bnr.ca (Barry Friedman) writes:
> I'm looking for pointers on porting MS-Windows apps. (C-Based) to X11.
> Any info on relevant literature, experiences, etc. would be welcome.

Send email to info@bristol.com

I don't have any connection with them and have never used their products.
They do a tool (library) which does exactly what you want (as far as I know).

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From: smr@hitkw14.pki-nbg.philips.de (S.Riehm)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Strange keyboard mapping for the hpux-8.0x X server ...
Date: 7 Sep 92 13:46:00 GMT
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Date: 7 Sep 92 11:36:20 GMT
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

gms@cv.hp.com (George Sachs) writes:

>The Mode_switch keysym is bound to the Mod1 modifier, making it
>the Group modifier.  That is why you are seeing the key bindings
>that you reported.

>If you don't want Mod1 to be the group modifier, you can use
>xmodmap to delete the Mode_switch keysym:

>xmodmap -e "remove mod1 = Mode_switch"

Here is the output from xmodmap -pm.

---
xmodmap:  up to 3 keys per modifier, (keycodes in parentheses):

shift       Shift_R (0xc),  Shift_L (0xd)
lock      
control     Control_R (0x8),  Caps_Lock (0x37)
mod1        Meta_L (0xb),  Meta_R (0xa)
mod2        Control_L (0xe)
mod3      
mod4      
mod5      
---

note I have no `Mode_switch' listed even, and yet I international
characters when I hit Meta_L ( Alt_L ) in combination with a key.
( I remember someone saying something about turning the Meta keys into
Alt keys, but that was years ago, and what is the difference? is it
possible to have Meta keys AND Alt keys at the same time? How can I
get my hands upgraded to handle all these modifier keys? )

if you are wondering what happened to my caps lock key, I turned it
off, and I use it for control, and the control key I use as a 'compose'
key, but even so, it would be nice for tcsh to recognise Alt-p instead
of having to type ^[-p ( I don't have emacs so I don't know what emacs
would make of my setup )

PS: what _exactly_ does "Mode_switch" do? I have never actually found a
man page or file that contains the definitions of all these mysterious
keycode and keysym names, I normally end up setting the ascii code
and hoping for the best!

Anyone got any other hints?

thanks in advance

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From: johndew@watson.ibm.com (John Dewysocki)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Sun, X11R5 and openwindows
Date: 10 Sep 92 09:39:48 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Date: 9 Sep 92 21:15:13 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep09.211513.19115@watson.ibm.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x



We have upgraded to SunOs 4.1.2 and X11R5, my problem is that
I can't start up openwindows any more.  When I try to execute
openwin it complains in the following way, then dies:

Couldn't get base SunWindow
/usr/openwin/bin/xinit:  Connection refused (errno 61): unable to 
connect to X server

I have all the correct env. variables set up correctly, the right
path ahead of /usr/bin/X11, and have been able to run 
/usr/openwin/bin/xinit by itself (running olwm) w/out a problem.

It seems the problem is with xnews (which complains about the
base SunWindow - above).  Unfortunately, I do not have any 
X11/NeWS literature to refer to.  Can anyone give me any
pointers?  Is this a X11R5/NeWS problem?
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From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 6 Sep 92 12:36:49 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines

Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 07:38:53 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep6.073853.17254@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.human-factors,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.x

In article <a1BHqB7w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:

> Take a look at some of the integrated development environments on the
> PC and Mac.

(Assuming "the PC" means DOS boxen....)  I did.  I actually own a copy
of Turbo C.  The "integrated" environment is intolerable (for me).  The
only (the *only*) thing I have ever used it for[%] is the debugger,
because that is the only provided interface to the debugger.

[%] I don't count time spent struggling to configure it the way I want
    it (and failing).

> root@kilowatt.uucp (Kilowatt admin) writes:
>> I have to use my HANDS - I have a much clearer view IN MY HEAD of
>> what I'm trying to accomplish than any GUI programmer could provide
>> me with.
> Well, all I can say is that you must have a strange head if the way
> you visualize things cannot be represented on a screen.  Personally
> I'm more of a visual thinker.

Aside from what root@kilowatt meant, I would say that yes, I not
infrequently visualize things that cannot really be represented on a
screen.  Obviously, I can't represent any examples here...but
seriously, when writing code, whatever it is in my mind that represents
the data structures the program is/was/will be using is not something
that can go on a screen.  (Some other examples of things that go on in
my mind that are perhaps apropos here...sounds can be represented
visually only marginally at best.  Odors cannot to even that extent.
Kinesthetic sense is another example.  But these are more or less
orthogonal to the discussion of GUIs.)

					der Mouse

			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
From: ematias@dgp.toronto.edu (Edgar Matias)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:15:59 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto

Date: 9 Sep 92 21:06:19 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep9.170618.15240@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors


snail@lsl.co.uk writes:
>
>I'm right handed and use my mouse with my left hand. This is so obvious and
>yet most right handed people use the mouse with their right hand. This has the
>disadvantage that most right handed peoples left hands aren't capable of much

I'm afraid you are wrong about that.  For typing, right-handed people can
type as fast or faster with their left hand than their right.  An experiment
has be performed that tested this.  I can't remember the reference off the
top of my head, but I can look it up if anyone is interested.

It makes a lot more sense to use your dominant hand for the mouse and
your non-dominant hand for typing.  Right-handed people should use their
right hand for the mouse.

Edgar
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Subject: action procedures in a scrolled list widget
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:46:41 GMT
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Organization: INESC - Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores, LISBOA, PORTUGAL

Date: 14 Sep 92 19:07:48 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep14.190748.10592@inesc.pt>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.motif,comp.windows.x


	I have created a form widget, and 3 children of this widget,
a scrolled window (w/ scroll bars) and 2 buttons. I want the
pressing of the buttons (labeled "Forward" e "Backward") to make
the same as the scroll bars, that is, if I press Forward, the 
selection moves down one line. I have tried using the translations,
but the action procedures which were supposed to provoke the 
desired action (ListNextItem or ListNextElement) are reported 
to be unexistant (at run-time, because the program compiles ok)).

	Can someone give me a hint ?

The program is something like this:

... includes, etc ...

static char forTranslations[] = "<Btn1Down>: ListNextElement()";
...
main(.....
..
XtTranslations trans_table;
...
trans_table = XtParseTranslationTable(forTranslations);
// the previous line provokes the error ! (but the program still
// executes...)
...
}
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