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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: POOL - Week #3 Preseason Picks Due FRIDAY (REPOST)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:16:06 GMT

Preseason Week 3
----------------

Mail this form to davewood@cs.colorado.edu with the word "picks" in the
subject line.  Be sure to choose one and only one team for each game.  Mark
your choice with an 'x' in the appropriate box.  Put your initials after the
word "Initials:" (ON THE SAME LINE!) at the bottom of the form.  If you have
questions about this form, send them with the subject "fbproblem."  If you
still need to sign up, YOU MUST SEND A SEPARATE MESSAGE with the word
"signup" in the subject line.  Do not reply to this message unless it is to
send in your picks.  See the Rules/Signup post for more information.

WEIGHTS: Assign 10 points to 4 different games.
	 Assign  7 points to 5 different games.
	 Assign  5 points to 5 different games.

This form is due at 4pm PST (11pm GMT) on Friday, Aug 14.  NO EXCEPTIONS!

DO NOT REMOVE ANYTHING BELOW THIS LINE!

 WT  Away                       Home
*------------------------------------------------*
[  ] [ ] San Diego		[ ] New England
[  ] [ ] Denver			[ ] Miami at Berlin, Germany
[  ] [ ] Atlanta		[ ] Tampa Bay
[  ] [ ] Cincinnati		[ ] Philadelphia
[  ] [ ] Chicago		[ ] Phoenix
[  ] [ ] Cleveland		[ ] NY Giants
[  ] [ ] Kansas City		[ ] Minnesota
[  ] [ ] Seattle		[ ] Indianapolis
[  ] [ ] Houston		[ ] Dallas
[  ] [ ] LA Raiders		[ ] LA Rams
[  ] [ ] San Francisco		[ ] Washington at London, England
[  ] [ ] NY Jets		[ ] Green Bay at Madison, WI
[  ] [ ] Detroit		[ ] Buffalo
[  ] [ ] Pittsburgh		[ ] New Orleans

Initials:

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                         Owner, Boulder Houlders (IFFL)
From: vreddy@husc3.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Where are they now?
Date: 18 Aug 92 04:20:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Aug18.002014.14844
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Hell... since I am getting tired of reading about the same things over
and voer again (no offense to those of you enjoying yourselves with the
current conversations), I decided to try to start a NEW strand of 
posts inspired by some questions I have... Basically, my question(s)
come down to this: WHERE ARE THEY NOW?

I was wondering wher some of the greats were? I mean, I realize several
are in the Hall of Fame (many are, actually, but I mean several of the
ones I will list), but what happened to all of them?

For example, what happened to Joe Theismann? (sp?)
			      Steve Bartkowski?
			      Ed "Too Tall" Jones?
			      Randy White?
			      John Riggins?
			      Tony Hill?
			      Danny White? (Is he still a backup/sideline
						coach?)
			      Tony Dorsett? (What'd he do after Denver?
					     or is he still a backup?)
			      Steve Walsh? (Where IS he now, ever since
					    leaving Dallas?)
                              Eric Dickerson?

Can anyone else think of any players that seemed to disappear, either during 
or after their careers?

-- Venk Reddy --

Born 'n' bred in Georgia and the Carolinas, and damn proud of it!
Go Hornets, Braves, Falcons, and Gamecocks! :)
From: vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Request for stats
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:39:02 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

If anybody has any info on the following from LAST YEAR/SEASON in the
NFL I'd appreciate it if you could e-mail it to me.

quarterbacks
running backs
recievers
tight ends
defenses
special teams

pro-bowl lineups from the last four or so years....

thanks for any help
--Vernon.
From: chf0@newshost.gte.com (Curtis Fennell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dolphins vs Broncos - thoughts
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:41:17 GMT
Reply-To: chf0@gte.com
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA

In article <1992Aug17.162216.29221@cs.ucf.edu>, tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini) writes:
|> In article <1204@ceylon.gte.com> chf0@harvey.gte.com (Curtis Fennell) writes:
|> >	Troy Vincent played in his first game in a 'Phins uniform and
|> >was pretty much invisible until late in the fourth quarter, when he
|> >broke up 2 passes and nearly intercepted one.  He looked fast and
|> >seemed to be good at reading the play.  Hopefully, we'll see more of
|> >him.
|> 
|> I thought he was invisible myself. However I don't think this is
|> necessarily a bad thing for a corner. If he covers well nothing is
|> thrown in his direction-you can go a whole game without hearing a
|> good corners name. Maybe if we're lucky we'll go an entire year without
|> hearing his name. 

I thought that it was odd that he didn't start right away.  But he did
seem to play most of the game once he got in there.  Looks like he
might need a few more games with the 'Phins system before he's up to
speed, but that's to be expected.  

All in all, it looks like the first two picks will work out very
nicely.

|> >It looks like the Dolphins
|> >have a lot of depth at running back this year.
|> 
|> Odd huh?

Sure feels different - kinda like the good ol' days. ;-)

|> >	James Saxon didn't play much but did impress me when he did.
|> >He turned nothing into an 8 yard gain on his only run of the night by
|> >showing some good instincts and speed when he bounced outside early
|> >in the game.  And his fingertip TD catch in the third quarter was a
|> >thing of beauty.
|> 
|> I like this guy. I think there will be a place on the team for him.

Yeah, I liked him too.  He looked more versatile than Tony Paige but
I didn't notice any of his blocks.  Still, the Dolphins averaged 4.0
yds/carry running the ball, so SOMEONE must have been blocking.

I do hope they keep him.

|> Tony (go new england) Travaglini
|> tech@cs.ucf.edu

-- 
Curt "I always pick the Dolphins - even against Buffalo!"  Fennell
			DOLFAN in New England.             
'72 Dolphins - The perfect team in the perfect season - 17-0
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: adam@research.nj.nec.com (Adam Porter)
Subject: Re: Giants 13  Bengals 7
Originator: adam@acapella
Reply-To: adam@research.nj.nec.com
Organization: NEC Research Institute
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 14:48:06 GMT


In article <1043@alsys1.aecom.yu.edu>, larry@aecom.yu.edu (Larry Simmons) writes:
|> 
|> I guess the fans there wanted quality action for their money. Their reactions
|> indicated they felt slighted. But hey, it's preseason.
|> ---

Yeah, but too bad the tickets are $28!  If they're gonna play all the
third stringers and borderline players (which is reasonable and
necessary in the preseason), how about making the tickets $10?

-- 
--								-Adam
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4 Independence Way  Princeton,NJ 08540       adam@research.nj.nec.com
From: gilmore@wafer.ucsc.edu (Kirk Gilmore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: HEY PATRIOT FANS
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:48:27 GMT
Organization: UCO/Lick Observatory
NNTP-Posting-Host: wafer.ucsc.edu

who cares? BORING team.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jbhuber@iastate.edu (Joseph B Huber)
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 18:52:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.130952.20788@comp.lancs.ac.uk> marc@comp.lancs.ac.uk
(Marc Goldman) writes:
>In article <55824.glh@[128.244.197.62]> glh@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (, Gene A.
>Heyler) writes:
>>[favorite stupid rule..]
>>I vote for the sudden death (sudden victory?) rule, whereby a team can win
>>the game on a single possession.[...]
>[...]
>Well the overtime rule in the WLAF attempts to correct the short comings
>of the NFL overtime rule.
>The ruling in the WLAF is that both teams shall have an equal amount of
>possesions unless a team scores on the very last play of the overtime
>period.
>Overtime ends as soon as one team outscores the other after an equal
>number of possesions.

I like the old high school overtime procedure: Team1 gets the ball on Team2's
10 yd line. Team1 gets 4 downs to score. Then Team2 gets the ball on Team1's
10 yd line and has 4 downs to score. The team that is ahead after these 8 
plays is the winner.  If the score is tie, repeat the procedure.

-- 
Joe Huber 
(jbhuber@iastate.edu)        | Capt. James T. Kirk on the 2nd law of thermo: 
Dept. of Mech. Egr.          |  "It's not a hundred percent efficient,
Iowa State University        |   but nothing ever is."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: Minnesota Vikings
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:59:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug9.230216.26679@unixg.ubc.ca> csmith@ucs.ubc.ca (Craig Smith) writes:
>
>Could someone send me some information on the Minnesota Vikings training
>camp?
>How's the QB situation?  Will it be Gannon or Salisbury?
>Is Terry Allen having a good camp?
>What about the defense? Who'll replace Browner?
>How did the Vikes look against the Bills?  Who stood out?
>Who didn't?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Craig T.Smith
>UBC Computer Room
>

I didn't see the game but according to ESPN and the result looks like the Vikes kicked
some Bill butts. Held to 3 points I heard. Hmmm sounds like that new Buff Offense needs
a tuneup, or maybe a rebuild.

John T.
-- 
My opinions only, if you don't like `em don't read `em. 
Hurricanes and Dolphins, my favorite weather phenomena and aquatic mammals, oh
and also my favorite football teams. And remember to always genuflect in Shula's
presence and to kiss his Super Bowl Rings. .........John "Dolphinatic" Turman
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:02:32 -0400 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
	<1992Aug13.202637.4912@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>

>No 2 point conversion.

oh, yeah, i forgot about that one. it would be nice and make the games
more interesting, but that we don't have it doesn't make me all that
upset...

now if you want to make 2-pt conversions *really* controversial
implement them like this: the line-of-scrimmage for the conversion is
the same as wherever the TD was scored from. If it was run back or off
of a turnover, then it defaults to the 15-yd line or wherever the PAT is
kicked from..... :D you probably wouldn't see too many 2-pt attempts
unless they were absolutely necessary! Howzabout if you're down 21-13
with less than :30 left and you score a TD from your own 45 making it
21-19.....would you go for the 2-pt conversion?!

--Vernon.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer and other Heisman winners
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:49:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.172420.9451@bmerh85.bnr.ca> broger@bnr.ca (Roger Balakrishnan) writes:
>I dont believe Ron Brown won the Heisman, 
>but I could be wrong ...
>
>Ty Detmer is with Green Bay 
>Doug Flutie Calgary (CFL)
>Rocket Ismail Toronto (CFL)
>
>
>roger.

Ismail did not win the Heisman.  Detmer did.

Joel Alvstad


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: POOL - Week 3 Preseason Picks - DUE FRIDAY! (REPOST)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:41:52 GMT

Preseason Week 3
----------------

Mail this form to davewood@cs.colorado.edu with the word "picks" in the
subject line.  Be sure to choose one and only one team for each game.  Mark
your choice with an 'x' in the appropriate box.  Put your initials after the
word "Initials:" (ON THE SAME LINE!) at the bottom of the form.  If you have
questions about this form, send them with the subject "fbproblem."  If you
still need to sign up, YOU MUST SEND A SEPARATE MESSAGE with the word
"signup" in the subject line.  Do not reply to this message unless it is to
send in your picks.  See the Rules/Signup post for more information.

WEIGHTS: Assign 10 points to 4 different games.
	 Assign  7 points to 5 different games.
	 Assign  5 points to 5 different games.

This form is due at 4pm PST (11pm GMT) on Friday, Aug 14.  NO EXCEPTIONS!

DO NOT REMOVE ANYTHING BELOW THIS LINE!

 WT  Away                       Home
*------------------------------------------------*
[  ] [ ] San Diego		[ ] New England
[  ] [ ] Denver			[ ] Miami at Berlin, Germany
[  ] [ ] Atlanta		[ ] Tampa Bay
[  ] [ ] Cincinnati		[ ] Philadelphia
[  ] [ ] Chicago		[ ] Phoenix
[  ] [ ] Cleveland		[ ] NY Giants
[  ] [ ] Kansas City		[ ] Minnesota
[  ] [ ] Seattle		[ ] Indianapolis
[  ] [ ] Houston		[ ] Dallas
[  ] [ ] LA Raiders		[ ] LA Rams
[  ] [ ] San Francisco		[ ] Washington at London, England
[  ] [ ] NY Jets		[ ] Green Bay at Madison, WI
[  ] [ ] Detroit		[ ] Buffalo
[  ] [ ] Pittsburgh		[ ] New Orleans

Initials:

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David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder
  BRONCOS!!        R.S.F.P. Internet Football Pool Organizer        BRONCOS!!
               Owner, Boulder Houlders --- Owner, Colorado 14ers
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Novacek to 49ers?
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:10:09 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

It was reported in today's Austin-American Statesman that there are
"rumors out of the Metroplex", i.e. Dallas, that the Cowboys are trying
to shop Novacek to San Francisco.  Has anyone else heard this?

Daniel Welch
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische)
Subject: Henry Ellard?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 18:48:22 GMT


Does anyone out there know what happened to Henry Ellard?  I didn't see him in the box score for this weekend's Rams game.  Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Jason Gische
From: forsyth@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Mark Forsyth)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Who's the REAL pool champion?
Date: 19 Aug 92 06:32:50 GMT
Reply-To: forsyth@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Mark Forsyth)
Organization: Centre for Speech Technology Research, Edinburgh University

300. tsk:  25  75  4 10
300. agl:  25  75  3 11
302. CJD:  22  78  3 11

303. gab:   7  93  1 13
-- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

If this person is doing what I think they're doing and inverting their
picks, `gab' is  the true champion with 93 points!

C'mon gab, tell us who tripped up your perfect (bad) record.
My bet is it was the BUCS last weekend, you just can't rely on that team :-)

			Mark Forsyth (mef: at 45= in the pool)
		A New Zealander, Cowboy fan, in Edinburgh, Scotland

BTW, Here in Edinburgh this group is my *only* source of news in the preseason.
PLEASE help out us poor isolated folk and POST THE SCORES with your articles.
I have often have to figure out who won by the implications of the article.
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: BUCKLEY SIGNS!!!
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:57:41 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Aug21.162127.14291@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>He could have $2.3 million right now.  Still, I bet he signs right 
>before the season starts (or shortly after) in which case all he's 
>done is stick the Braves for $10-20K and they knew the risk they were 
>taking.

Which is exactly what I think will end up happening too, so I again
say he's being smarter than you guys seem to think. He'll get paid 
by the Braves, then end up signing with the Pack, probably for more
than they want to give him, simply because he now has another option
no matter how realistic his chances in baseball are. In other words
he's getting paid for nothing, on the off chance that he'll report
to the instructional league and suddenly blossom into a major league
prospect. If it happens the Braves luck out, if not, it costs them
very little, either way Buckley wins.

Having said this, I agree with the sentiment of the Pack fans, Buckley
isn't handling this well(or should I blame his agent?), if he wants
to play football he should sit down at the table and get a contract,
if he wants to play baseball, tell the Pack to get lost, go with the
Braves, and know that if he fails he can come back to the NFL and 
go back into the draft ala Bo Jackson. By dicking around with the Pack,
he's hurting the team.            



Russ Smith
*******************************************************************************
"I have a limo, I ride in the back. I lock the doors in case I'm attacked".
I live in hotels, tear out the wall. I have accountants pay for it all".

                                   -"Life's Been Good" - Joe Walsh
********************************************************************************
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Stadium Information
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:34:40 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Aug12.125340.4725@infonode.ingr.com> daryl@dman.b24a.ingr.com (Daryl Owens) writes:
> 
>As you get high into the cheap seats of the Silverdome, the seat
>construction goes from individual cushioned chairs to aluminium benchs.
>With benches, the Silverdome can SQUEEZE more people into a given
>area than with cushioned chairs.  
>
>BTW, I am not from Louisiana.  I am not a Saints fan.  I am merely 
>telling you what a friend of mine (who worked at the Superdome) told me.
>So keep your egos and FLAMES to yourself because you would be wasting
>your time.  Any legit responses are welcome.
>
>---
>
>Daryl 'Dman' Owens

Thanks Daryl.  BTW, stadia size and capacity is not something I get too
heated about; but while I'm here . . . 

YOU NO-GOOD NINER-LOVIN' DEVIL-WORSHIPPIN (fabricated flaming)
SAINT-FAN-WANNA-BE-BUT-NOT-WORTHY-TO-SPIT-SHINE-MORA'S-GOLF-SHOES 
TWO-BIT PIN-WHISKERED ... ETC ... ETC 

:o)


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GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!      |  but your heart is shaped like a bowl."
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: 6405750@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: rams notes
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 18:56:27 GMT

rams beat the raiders over the weekend.marcus dupree ran for 100
yards in the second have.he ran thru people as well as around them.
our defense looked pretty good also,stopping the raiders deep in
our territory.pagel as well as the rookie rubley looked impressive
at qb.keep up the good work "rams"
drew





Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Redskins impressions (was Re: Niners tip Deadskins!)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
    <ELM.92Aug17001848@terrorism.berkeley.edu>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:53:07 GMT

In article <ELM.92Aug17001848@terrorism.berkeley.edu>, elm@cs.berkeley.edu (ethan miller) writes:
>Question to those in the DC area: what's going on with the Skins at
>WR?  Clark and Monk are obviously on the team.  Sanders is either on
>the team or trade bait.  Desmond Howard will make the team when he
>ends his holdout.  Where does that leave Stephen Hobbs, who looked
>good?

Desmond Howard?  I think the practice date for starting the regular season
opener in Dallas has passed.  A rookie with an attitude and no practice is
not going to instantly get a slot on a SB champion team, even if he did win
the Heisman.  He'll probably get traded for a second-round draft pick or
something.

>Any further news on ending Lachey's holdout?  The Skins could sure use
>him!

Lachey and Green will be missed.  Either one might come back or simply
retire.  They're really too old to trade.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: pyoung@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Paul Young)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Gary Clark and his off-field activity!
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:15:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: oasys.23543
Reply-To: pyoung@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Paul Young)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

>        Clark was charged with theft of more than $300 worth of material,
>possessing a vehicle with a defaced serial number and speeding. Maryland
>State Police also said Clark was released on his own recognizance.
>        Clark left for London with his teammates to prepare for the club's
>pre-season game against San Francisco on Sunday, team officials said.

Clark said that he bought the car from a friend and was unaware that
it was stolen.  You got to believe him, why would someone with
mega bucks steel a truck worth probably 15K?no way.

paul.
From: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer and other H
Date: 22 Aug 92 15:17:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Brentwood BBS Harrison, NY  914-835-7898
Reply-To: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 

>I would like a list of Heisman trophy winners and the teams they play on.
>Only active players would be nice.  All I can think of is the following:

>     Desmond Howard      Washington  (??????)
>     Hershel Walker      Philadelphia
>     Marcus Allen        Raiders
>     Ron Brown           Raiders
      ^^^

Ron Brown is on the list of NFL players who have formerly held the
world record in the 4 x 100 meter relay, but he has not won a heisman.

His teammate, Tim Brown has.


Other Heisman winners deleted were Sanders(Detroit), Detmer(may make GB's team),
Testaverde(Tamps Bay), and Ware(Detroit).

                                            Al
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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Washington Redskins - Stan Humphries - 8/13/92
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:17:23 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

The San Diego Chargers and Washington Redskins discussed a trade for
Stan Humphries on Wednesday, but reached no agreement.  They may get
together again; the Charger General manager Bobby Beathard and the 
Redskins' Charley Casserly have spoken at least twice the last two days.
Now that Mark Rypien has been signed, it seems likely that Stan Humphries
will be traded.

Casserly talked with the Chargers, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and Denver
Broncos about a deal for Humphries earlier this year but he rejected
offers for a mid-round draft choice.

Source: The Washington Post, August 13, 1992



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