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From: rwmech@uumeme.chi.il.us (Robert W. Mech)
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Organization: UUMEME Public Access Xenix
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 15:36:00 GMT

In article <jaimiep.724905190@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au> jaimiep@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (Jaimie Polson) writes:
>In <_lm21c+@rpi.edu> plutnj@aix.rpi.edu (James Matthew Plutnicki) writes:
>
>>>
>>>Well.....
>>>How about the fact that Troi is a non-military crew member, whereas everone
>>>else comes from the academy, and a military. Military people wear uniforms,
>>>non -military don't have to.
>>>
>>However, she is an OFFICER and has been refered to in many instances as such
>>(see Disaster for proof).  Therefore, she is as military as the next OFFICER 
>>and should have to wear a uniform.  If she is a civilian then she should NOT
>>have free access to the bridge.  Other civilians don't.  She should be in 
>>uniform while she is on duty.  
>
>
>I mentioned this to someone else, but what do others think?
>I recall in that episode where the enterprise goes into another universe and
>is at war with the Klingons and Tasha Yar is back and Worf is gone **and
>Troi is gone**.
>The enterprise was referred to as a war ship or military ship at war and there
>were no civilian people on board. Which is why I think Troi is not military
>
>(However Guinan is on  Board)??
>
>Can anyone look at this on video and check the facts?
>
I dont have the video in front of me to watch, but I loved that episode, and I
remeber quite a bit about it.  Troi as far as I remember was not in it, and 
yes, Guinan was.  Here is the reasons why that I think will explain it.

1. Troi is a counsler, what need does she have on a ship with mostly 
   military on it?

2. Guinan played a major role in that episode.

3. Guinan is a bartender, she dosen't have much of a need to be on a
   military vessel, however, the military *does* need a bar.  I think that
   is the major reason that she is on.  Where most people would rather 
   get drunk, than talk to Troi :-) .

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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Date: 28 Dec 92 17:59:02 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1hn2gbINN1he@rave.larc.nasa.gov> avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee) writes:
>> would be no less valid then having a Gloria Steinem or Jane Fonda or
>> Sigourney Weaver type (or any other more "liberal" sorts) in command.  But
>> I doubt that it would make any of the people who long for a female captain
>> very happy.

>i dont know, i think ripley would make an excellent "battle ship" captain
>(ncc 1701-c).

You cut out the most important part of my paragraph!  How would you feel with
a Marilyn Quayle or Phyllis Schlafly in command of the Enterprise?  THAT was
what I was asking!

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

"Go?  Where are we going?"
"Where they went."
"Suppose they went nowhere?"
"Then, this will be your big chance to get away from it all."
			- McCoy and Kirk; Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan
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From: tchua@soda.berkeley.edu (Terence Chua)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Show Us the Enterprise-B and E!
Date: 23 Dec 92 07:17:00
Organization: Dept of Law, QMW College, U of London
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In-reply-to: ace@kryton.UUCP's message of Tue, 22 Dec 92 15:10:53 PST

Re: RA

Richard Arnold *was* sacked after Gene's death - there's a nice story about
that for all you Arnold-haters out there... we don't like him much in the
UK conventions because he hangs around for the bids and then sucks up to
the committees who win to wangle himself an invite, but that's another story
.... but now the Star Trek Offices which are the continuity cops are under
the employ of Lincoln Enterprises, *not* Paramount. So, in a way, he still
gets the information and work in... Lincoln is owned by Majel Barret, of
course.
  
----------
Terence Chua
CO USS Wayfarer, NCC-2004
Star Fleet Command Quadrant 2
From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: No Emmy for Stewart
Date: 30 Dec 92 22:31:47 GMT
Organization: Yale University

In article <1992Dec30.211407.19482@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
jnlong@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey N Long) writes:
 
>
>In article <1992Dec29.230549.10540@pro-freedom.cts.com> pip@pro-freedom.cts.com
> (David Pipgras) writes:
>>Hmmm...After watching Chain of Command again, I have to say that I just
>>don't seen any award in it for him. His performance in the episode where he
>>was taken over by the probe was *much* stronger than in COC, but many seem
>>to think that this is the end all. I am sorry, but I just don't see it
>>happening---I will be happy to eat them words if it does, but that is my
>>opinion...
>>
 
   I can see that perhaps his performance in "Inner Light" or "Family"
was probably better.  Especially in case of "IL" where some of the performance
had to be incredibly subtle.
   However, we should all know by now that many of these show biz awards
go not to what is the best, but what is the most POLITICALLY CORRECT (using
the popular ill-defined pseudodefinition of the term.); and there are few
topics more politically correct than human rights.  [btw, I thought David
Warner was equally deserving of the award, but I seriously doubt Emmy
committee will give two (let alone one) nomination to a SF show.  SF is NOT
POLITICALLY CORRECT (by most pseudo definitions used outside SF field.)
   Even if Stewart and Warner do not get their deserved nominations, reflect
on this... The audience will see "Inner Light"; "CoC" etc. twenty years from
now...  We still see Shatner's TOS (for better of worse) even now, but
who remembers which actors were nominated and won Emmys in 1966?
 
          Junsok Yang
From: depeche@jab.tucson.az.us (John David)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Tech Manuals
Keywords: Tech manuals
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 00:01:51 MST
Organization: Just Another Bbs. Tucson, AZ

> Let me guess -- Christmas present?  I got one too.  There is one
> called something like "Scotty's Guide to the Enterprise", which
> I think is mostly about the NCC-1701A Enterprise.  I havn't seen
> anything about DSN books yet.  Other books that I've leafed
> though at book stores but never bought include one about every
> known race in the galaxy, and a English-Klingon dictionary.

Well, actually, there IS a tech manual going as far back as NCC-1701 
before the refit just prior to STI:TMP.  It's called Star Trek Technical 
Manual, has a black cover, and has everything from ship designs to 
tricorder innards to the design of the Chief Nurse's panties!!! (Honest 
to god, it's in there if you look close enough!)

                                        John David, 
                                        KNST News
From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Emmy for Patrick Stewart
Date: 30 Dec 1992 00:08:27 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
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In article <1hkgj4INNqsb@transfer.stratus.com> det@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (David Toland) writes:

>
>By the way, even expecting a powerful performance from Patrick Stewart,
>I was impressed beyond my expectations.  He should get an Emmy for
>this episode, even with the bias in favor of network offerings.
>-- 

I agree.  I also think he deserved an Emmy for his performance in the ST:TNG
episode last year where he was taken over by a probe and experienced the 
liftime of the man from the dying planet (name anyone?).

Anyway, my point -- how do the nominees get selected?  Is there such thing
as a write in campaign to remind the Emmy people that actors like Stewart,
who usually get overlooked, are worth consideration?  What can be done?

Michael
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Subject: Re: David Warner on "Chain of Command"
From: johns@trident.datasys.swri.edu (Stephen Johns)
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:00:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Southwest Research Institute

In article <1992Dec28.103028.21884@hemlock.cray.com> kak1@birch02.cray.com (Kevin Kramer) writes:
>
>I am nit sure, but is this the same guy that was on Tron?  (playing the meanie)
>I thought that I could recognise him, and the voice sounded the same, but I 
>just couldn't quite tell.
>
>Kevin

  I haven't seen Tron in years, but I believe he played the character
  Zark(sp) who was the second in command to the MCP.
  "Those of you who continue to profess in the Users will receive the
   standard sub-standard training..."  or something like that is a line
   of his.
-- 
Stephen Johns, Research Analyst
Southwest Research Institute, SA, TX 78228 (512) 522-5751
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Date: 2 Jan 93 17:08:24 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Dec31.195854.26345@mercury.cair.du.edu> mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN) writes:
>In article <725632671.AA00000@blkcat.UUCP> Rick.Zeman@p943.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Zeman) writes:
>>On 12/25/92, Michael Rawdon was heard to say regarding "Female CO for the E:"
>>  MR> If Star Trek gets to the point where it is driven by the need to "set
>>  MR> examples", I probably *will* stop watching.  REAL LIFE leaders are the
>>  MR> ones we need to set examples.  This is fiction.

>>      Then what do you think about many of the themes pertinent to today's 
>>society that runs through TNG?  Such as:

>>Angel One:  Women's rights
>>Half a Life:  Ageism
>>The Outcast:  Homophobia

>And of course TOS was always into that.  "Let That Be Your
>Last Battlefield" practically pounded you over the head
>with society's attitudes towards Racism.  And of course there was
>the other one, I forget it's name, with the Yangs and the Comms.

I would hardly call two episodes being "always into that".  (I'm not even sure
what "example" the latter episode - "The Omega Glory" - was trying to set.)
This is hardly an indication that either series was DRIVEN by the need to set
examples.  It occasionally digressed in that direction (often unsuccessfully),
but they were only digressions.

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

    "What about you, Captain?" Krill asked.  "Do you seek death, or do you
run away from it?
    "Neither," Kiroth answered.  "Death seeks me.  It will find me in time.  
To run is simply a waste of energy.  To embrace death is sheer madness.  I 
await death.  When it comes, I will be ready."
    "To fight, or to flee?"
    Kiroth looked at his XO with barely contained horror.  "To die."
		- "Escape From The Holdfast", by Jim Hart; Captain's Log #8
From: ynecelc@sx.mont.nec.com (Ellison Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Data Watch
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:49:31 GMT
Organization: HNSX Supercomputers

In article <1992Dec28.114328.537@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec27.221859.18112@uumeme.chi.il.us>, rwmech@uumeme.chi.il.us (Robert W. Mech) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec26.210829.1154@mala.bc.ca> dunae@mala.bc.ca writes:
>>>In Chain of Command part II, Data was wearing a red uniform.
>>>He was also in Riker's chair on the bridge. 
>> 
>> Thats because, he was field promoted to first officer.  They didnt
>> come right out and say it, but he was wearing the red uniform, and
>> he also had the increased rank on his collar.
>
>Take a closer look and you can see he was still at Lieutenant Commander only.
>
>
>Steven.K.Manfred

Uh..did you folks noticed that Riker had been relieved of duty by
Cpt. Jelico. The _bridge_ officer who was next in rank from Cmdr. Riker
(which is Lt. Cmdr. Data) automatically assumed the responsiblities of 2nd 
in command. Obviously, either Jelico asked Data to wear the red uniform
or Data felt that it would be appropriate. 

-- 
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From: wolfson@regatta.sps.mot.com (Stephen Wolfson)
Subject: Re: "what about our OTHER friends" (minimal spoiler)
Organization: SPS
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:22:54 GMT

In article <ewright.725065497@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com  
(Edward V. Wright) writes:
> In <1h73tdINNac0@transfer.stratus.com> det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David  
Toland) writes:
> 
> 
> >There is, however, a spy in Starfleet, highly enough placed that
> >he or she was able to transmit highly detailed personnel records on
> >Picard to the Cardassians.  I think it unlikely they will be able
> >to ferret out the spy, at least at this time.
> 

Doesn't have to be a spy, they could just torture lessers to get
access codes into the Federation Computer network (or some bozo
posted it in comp.sys.federation :-) and worked their way up until
they got to someone who could acesss Picard's data.
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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: ST:VII - Horror of horrors (depending on your view...)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 15:34:47 EST

In article <BzM485.pp@monitor.com>
howard@monitor.com (Howard Brenner) writes:
 
>
>gary l. schroeder writes
>> In article <BzCuxu.LLC@monitor.com> howard@monitor.com (Howard Brenner)
>writes:
>> >A friend is spreading a rumor to me that I'm wondering if anoyone can
>> >confirm.  According to him Paramount does not like to end series on an
>odd
>> >number, so a ST:VIII is almost a given.  Is this a true Paramountism?
>>
>> Actually, I heard that they also like to end film series with prime
>> numbers only, so if they complete ST7, they'll almost assuredly go for
>> ST11:Trekked To Death.
>
   ST:12 has already been planned and partially filmed.  The title is:
ST12: So Very Tired.  A partial copy was shown on the election day.
It is to be written by John Schwartwelder and directed by Rich Moore.
Matt Groening, Sam Simon and James Brooks were listed as creative consultants.
Shatner and Takei were definitely signed on, but Scotty may be played by a
different actor.
   The story involves Kirk's aging problems and "again with the Klingons..."
Also, Scotty's weight problems will be dealt with in detail.
   If further information is required, e-mail me.  If there are enough
requests, I'll post further information.
 
   Junsok Yang
 
 
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From: paul@pj.tmc.edu (Thorongil)
Subject: SPOILERS : TNG watches Star Wars & Aliens ! 
Organization: Mississippi State University ERC
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:06:48 GMT

A little spoiler protection first :



In the episode called "Chain of Command", Picard, Bev, and Worf reach a locked 
door that Worf says is "magnetically sealed".  Nice to know the Klingon
watched Star Wars. :)  (: In case you might think that it wasn't a  
reference to SW, then watch it again because they also make a reference 
to Aliens right after it as someone already noted : "Fire in short, 
controlled bursts."  Thanks to whoever it was because I was looking for
it and might have missed both references. :) 

On another note: Thank you WCBI for showing five minutes worth of commercials
after the 49ers game and then joining TNG "in progress". :(   What happened
in the teaser section before they role the credits?  Can someone e-mail me
what occurred during that portion I missed.  There is nothing like missing
the beginning of a story and playing catch up the rest of the show.

Thanks.

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From: dunae@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picards french lines
Date: 28 Dec 92 12:56:19 -0700
Distribution: world
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <1hnaruINN1he@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee) writes:
> so what does it mean?? (for those of us who dont speak french).
> 
>> Sur la Mon D'Avignon
>> Sur la pont, d'Avignon (On the bridge of Avignon
   Oni(?) Danson(?)  .... (this is all Picard gets out...)
>> On danse ( We are dansing)
>> Oni(?) Danson(?)
>> On dansent ( We are Dansing)
   Sur la Mon D'Avignon
>> Oni Danson Tu ta round. (Pardon my french... :-)
>   On dansent, tu la ronde ( We are dansing, all around)
>	

	It's a very basic french song that I learned in grade one! 
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> 
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Date: Wednesday, 23 Dec 1992 10:57:32 MST
From: <ICSCH@ASUACAD.BITNET>
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Subject: RE: The Official Dorm-Rec Review of "Chain of Command -1" (spoil
 <21DEC92.14854873.0073@VM1.MCGILL.CA>

I think the problem is that humans feel the need to catagorize things in thier
world.  As it was explained to me, Starfleet is a quasi-paramilitary organiza-
tion which is primarily peaceful, i.e. scientific exploration, diplomaticy,
assistance to Federation planets, colonies and space stations.  However, when
needed, it can effectively perform more "military" duties, as all crew are
trained in these functions.  For example, in my field of expertise, besides
having a doctorate in psychology, I have studied extensively in the area of
human and humaniod reactions to battle stress.  -- Counselor Troi (yeah, right)
From: comptec92076@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Startrek VII - DIRTakei's comments
Date: 27 Dec 92 05:25:10 GMT
Organization: Camosun College

> 
> I agree that it's an unlikely prospect, and I wasn't a big Sulu fan until you  
> mentioned it...now that you mention it, I think focusing _more_ on Sulu would  
> be great--Takei's character is really charismatic when they cut him loose,  
> and I think VII could be fun (!) with swashbucklin' Sulu at the helm.  Any  
> way you slice it though, the next movie really has to advance the story  
> historically as opposed to just another romp for aging Kirk/Spock/Bones.   
> Anyone who watched a lot of M.A.S.H. will remember that the series' downfall  
> was that they focused too much on several characters and got way too serious  
> in later seasons.


I'm glad to see you say this.  Think about the fact that with out
Kirk/Spock/Bones Paramount will save $14 millonright off the bat.  That can go
into a better story.  Shatner has submited a script, but Paramount turned it
down (much chering)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


                  Falcon
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From: N2SX000 <N2SX@UNB.CA>
Subject: RE: Uniform Colors in TNG
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 02:58:50 GMT

In article <gV1FwB1w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> vincent@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Victor W. Wong) writes:
>I'm posting a theory as to the specific color pattern of uniforms in
>TNG.
>
>In TOS, of course, the colors were:
>
>Gold/Green    Command
>Blue          Sciences
>Red           Engineering/Logistics
>
>In the movies (after an experiment with pajama-type outfits) everyone
>was outfitted with uniform tunics that were red/maroon.  In switching
>to the TNG uniforms it was decided to keep the red/maroon color for
>the command trades, while the gold was brought back for engineering/
>logistics.
>
>So the new colors are:
>
>Maroon/Red  Command
>Blue        Biosciences
>Gold        Applied sciences/Engineering/Logistics
>
>Comments, anyone?
>
Yep.  "Biosciences"??? come on!  :):) how about science/medical.  (There
 are       scientists other than biologists on the Enterprise, y'know! :
)  ) Engineering and applied science are synonymous.  The ST:TNG Compani
on uses terminology which I'm inclined to agree with:  Services.  This e
ncompases Engineering, Security, shuttle pilots, etc...
Neill McKay
>
>.
>.

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From: linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley)
Subject: Re: The English-Speaking Universe (Ayeee!)
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, UCLA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:04:13 GMT

In a previous article nyoung@desire.wright.edu spake...
>Then, think about it this way: Only on Star Trek (and other
>shows with humanoid form aliens) do you find alien creatures
>with upper and lower sets of teeth, lips that enclose and
>stand in front of those teeth, a tongue behind the teeth and
>a mouth with a palate....

Gee, why do all the aliens look humanoid. Could it be because they're played
by human actors? Naaah.

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