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From: jlangfor@alsvid.une.edu.au (Joseph Langford)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Balls bouncing off water
Date: 14 Oct 92 07:19:17 GMT
Organization: University of New England - Northern Rivers (Lismore)

From article <1992Oct5.100753.11867@st-andrews.ac.uk>, by cdcs@st-andrews.ac.uk (Colin D. C. Steele):
> On THREE occasions in recent months, I have made a mess of iron shots over a
> water hazard (pond on 14th/15th on Eden course, St Andrews) and the ball has
> bounced off the water. On two of the occasions, it arrived safely back on
> dry land while on the other occasion, it bounced off the water 6 times before
> sinking in the 7th time.
> 
> Is this sort of thing more common than would appear (i.e. has it happened to
> others) or is it just that I play badly enough to put the wrong sort of spin
> on the ball and it comes to my aid on occasions like this ?
> 
> CDC
I have heard of professionals doing this(on purpose) but in your case I think
you should just try to do keep your head down


-- 
Joseph Langford  Internet:  jlangfor@loki.une.edu.au   Phone:  +61 66 ????????
    University of New England, Northern Rivers (Lismore) NSW Australia
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: davet@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Dave Tutelman)
Subject: Re: Seagulls
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs - Lincroft, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:02:17 GMT

>In article <Bw2Kz7.5ux@acsu.buffalo.edu> v051r9bf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (When will Mergle EVER shut up?) writes:
>>...
>>in the distance, a seagull has a ball in its mouth, and drops it into a
>>sandtrap on the fairway over!  I was thinking, 'where did that bird get that
>>ball from?!?'  :^)  Well, I went over, picked it up, and sure enough, it was
>>John's ball.   

On the 14th hole at Cruz Farm CC, the drive has to carry about 100 yds over
a pond before it reaches the fairway.  A large white goose makes its nest
in the far bank.  I never saw it actually get hit, but it DOES seem to
have trouble distinguishing golf balls from goose eggs.  It guards them
like its own children.

A couple of years ago, I hit a low screamer that just cleared the pond
and thudded into the bank.  The goose didn't let me retrieve the ball,
though I tried stealth, speed, flanking maneuvers, and even threats.  This
was one big, tough goose.  (And no, I didn't really intend to brain it with
my pitching wedge. And it seemed to know that.)

Dave
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: cabler@dvorak.amd.com (C. Dru Cabler)
Subject: Ping Zing Clones
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 20:01:55 GMT

It appears that the Ping Zing clones are now starting to come 
out.  I have a couple of questions:
   
      Has anyone had a chance to hit with them???

      Do they play anything like the originals???

Thanks,
Dru Cabler
cabler@dvorak.amd.com

Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: bb11807@thug (Brian A. Blow)
Subject: Re: Driver on the fairway?
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:34:41 GMT

trz@eecs.nwu.edu (Tom Zanussi) writes:
: I've been experimenting a little lately with using my driver instead of
: a 3 wood off the fairways of long holes, so far with excellent results -
:
:  Just wondering how common this is - judging from the reactions I've been
: getting from my buddies, not too.
: --
: Tom Zanussi
: trz@eecs.nwu.edu

I've done this, too.  I think success depends alot on the type of driver
you are using.  I use a Taylor Made 10.5 deg and with the smaller head and
reasonable loft I seem to be able to get under the ball.  It really works
well in intermediate rough, were the grass is thick enough to suspend the
ball, but not so thick that it's hard to pull a club through.

For me, it feels better if I choke up about 0.5" on the grip.  It makes it
feel like a fairway wood, just with less loft.


--Brian

brian.blow@medtronic.com
(612) 574-4030
From: mgwyer@uk.oracle.com (Mike Gwyer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Ping Zing Clones
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:15:47 GMT
Reply-To: mgwyer@uk.oracle.com
Organization: Oracle UK
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.


In article <1992Oct14.200155.25249@dvorak.amd.com>,
cabler@dvorak.amd.com (C. Dru Cabler) writes:
|> It appears that the Ping Zing clones are now starting to come 
|> out.  I have a couple of questions:
|>    
|>       Has anyone had a chance to hit with them???
|> 
|>       Do they play anything like the originals???
|> 
|> Thanks,
|> Dru Cabler
|> cabler@dvorak.amd.com

I've hit original Zings at a range ( just to try them out ) and found them
very good ( albeit hideously ugly behind the ball ). The other week I bought
a Zing clone 1 iron and found it terrible, no feel and horrible shots. I
guess I should try some of the shorter irons from the clone set, it's a bit
unfair to compare the 7I of the Zings to the 1I of the clones, but I'm now
wary of getting any more of the clones.

I usually play Mizuno XR2 irons, perimeter weighted but small heads, so that
might explain why I find the Zings so ugly. Mind you, the original Zings hit
the ball pretty well so I guess looks count for nothing as long as the player
feels confident in them.

Mike Gwyer.
From: wayman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jeffrey Wayman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: How to assess your weaknesses (e.g. what's normal)
Date: 13 Oct 92 04:26:40 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

I know this isn't exactly what you asked, but I find that most
folks who shoot in the high-80's have a couple of problems which
are easily fixed:

(1) Misalignment.  Most shots really aren't that bad; they go
    about where they are hit.  A quick cure for this is to
    take two extra clubs to the range, lay them parallel to each 
    other (about 3 feet apart) aiming out to the range.  
    Hit balls from this alley.  You observe where the ball
    lands and begin to mentally aim in that
    direction.  You may then experiment with pre-shot routines
    to get aimed, but the key is to see exactly where the 
    ball goes and get used to seeing that direction as a 
    straight shot.

(2) Short game.  Duh.  An adequate short game can be created
    within 3 weeks if one spends a half-hour a day around the
    green for 3/4 days per week.  Not much to learn here; the
    short game isn't as complicated as the books and articles
    make it sound.  Remember this:  THE CLUB MUST ACCELERATE,
    or at the very least, not decelerate.  Watch most people
    putt and chip, they use a long backswing and slow it down through
    the ball.  Change that to a short backswing and accelerate
    through the ball; it's an efficient swing.  Back short,
    long through.


Jeff       wayman@lamar.colostate.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: PA113718@utkvm1.utk.edu
Subject: Re: Ping Zing Clones
Organization: The University of Tennessee, Knoxville
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:26:51 GMT

>
>In article <1992Oct14.200155.25249@dvorak.amd.com>,
>cabler@dvorak.amd.com (C. Dru Cabler) writes:
>|> It appears that the Ping Zing clones are now starting to come
>|> out.  I have a couple of questions:
>|>
>|>       Has anyone had a chance to hit with them???
>|>
>|>       Do they play anything like the originals???
>|>
>|> Thanks,
>|> Dru Cabler
>|> cabler@dvorak.amd.com
>

Well, I've got a set of Ping Eye 2's and have hit with a friend's Zings,
both sets of which I like a lot.  Haven't used the Zings enough to tell for
sure if they're a big improvement, but it is uncanny how the clubface tends to
come square at impact almost no matter how ugly you swing.  (And believe me,
I sometimes swing _very_ ugly.)

Before getting the Ping Eye 2's (used), I tried two different Zing clones.
The Tour Model version (standard knockoff "custom" clubs) were just okay,
and I thought they couldn't really compare to the Eyes I later bought.
Another clone, called Gull Wing, looked almost exactly like Zings;  the
cast heads had the same dull appearance (but the grooves differed a bit from
real Zings), whereas the shiny Tour Model heads looked more like forged (but
they aren't, to my knowledge).  The shopkeeper with Gull Wings was a bit
anal, unfortunately, and he hovered nervously nearby while allowing me just
a few balls into their net.  I was impressed with the clubs, but his reluctance
to let me give them a real workout cost him the sale.

So I got the Eyes for <$200 (with trade-in) and have been very happy.  The Gull
Wings were about $399 list, and the Tour Models were $279.  By the way, I hate
the new Zing grips, for whatever that's worth.  If you don't mind buying
used (make sure the grooves aren't worn away), you should keep your
eyes peeled for rich guys who just bought Zings and are unloading their old
Eyes.  The shop where I bought mine had _two_ sets, which really helped my
bargaining position.

             Tom Garritano

Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: panu@sol.acs.unt.edu (Sittiwong Panu)
Subject: Need Tel. number for Golf Hous in Michigan.
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:17:27 GMT


Hi,

Would anyone who has a phone number for Golf Hous (sp!) please
posted the number for me.  I had their number before but can't
locate it.

Thanks,

Panu Sittiwong.
From: exudtn@exu.ericsson.se (Derek Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: New to game advice needed.
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:25:05 GMT
Reply-To: exudtn@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article 29090@exu.ericsson.se, bsmith@tek.nc.com  (Brett W. Smith) writes:

>Hey, We just got on the network and I see this message from my old golf buddies.	
>Derek, since when are you a 10 handicapper??? more like 25 I'd say.  When did you
>get the dial-a-club?
>
>And don't worry about the colored balls, you aren't supposed to steal those from
>putt-putt anyway.
>
>I have tried to email you guys, but I can't yet.  I hope everything is going good
>in Dallas.  Kris and I love it here.
>
>Brett



Brett, 

You sorry dog!  VERY FUNNY.
Good to hear from you, now be quiet!  What are you doing adding
fuel to Robert's and Bill's little prank on me?  Shame on you!  We almost had
this whole thing shut down on the net and here comes right back at me.  

SO tell us about those Black Hawk clubs and your assured drastic improvement.
How's your green banana putter! Has the enamel come off yet?  
And the Pink Lady Flyers?   Don't you get a little sick using black clubs,
green and yellow putter and pink golf balls?   Maybe your color blind? 

Seriously,  glad to hear your there Ok and are getting used to the area.
Have you had the chance to check oout any of the courses in the area?
Tell Kris hello and remind me to tell you about the Brett W. Smith 
Memorial cookie meeting.  Talk to you later.  

Derek





 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Subject: Re: Driver on the fairway?
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:45:17 GMT

In article <Bw41qu.E8w@tridom.com> wrj@eng.tridom.com (Wes Jones) writes:
>I don't know about your buddies, but all of mine are searching for
>the secret just like me.  If they give you grief about using your
>driver off the fairway, just ask them about the last time they changed
>balls, clubs, gloves, shoes, etc and expected their scores to improve.

The only time I've ever parred the 12th (my backyard) I hit
off the fairway with my driver.  The 12th is over 500
yards, and I usually hit 180-210 off the tee, then use my
brassie to put me 120-170 yards out.  This time, though,
I'd wailed it 250 from the tee.  We were playing through a
group that was on the fairway (well, all four of them were
over in the undeveloped lots looking for one of their
balls, and we were a twosome, so they punted), and I wanted
to get past them quickly (they were the Intel league's
officers), so I kept my driver in hand.  I wailed again,
and left myself with a 20-yard chip to the front of the
green, but I skulled it to the back and had to hit two good
putts to get it down.

The 1 *is* a fairway wood, after all.

Then again, the guy I play with weighs about 150 (I weigh
210) and hits his 3-wood some 240 yards off the tee, so
would say it's all in how you go about it...

				--Blair
				  "Would have been a nice round,
				   if only I didn't have this shot,
				   and that one, and those two, they
				   were dumb, and that one..."
From: wrj@eng.tridom.com (Wes Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Driver on the fairway?
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:08:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: tridom.Bw41qu.E8w
Reply-To: wrj@eng.tridom.com (Wes Jones)
Distribution: rec
Organization: AT&T Tridom; Marietta, Georgia

In article <TRZ.92Oct12221728@valhalla.eecs.nwu.edu>, trz@eecs.nwu.edu (Tom Zanussi) writes:
|> I've been experimenting a little lately with using my driver instead of
|> a 3 wood off the fairways of long holes, so far with excellent results -
|> I'm much closer to the green after the second shot than I would be if I'd
|> used the 3.  I suppose if I were a decent player, two drives would put
|> me past the green, but I don't think I'll have that worry for awhile.
|> Just wondering how common this is - judging from the reactions I've been
|> getting from my buddies, not too.
|> --
|> Tom Zanussi
|> trz@eecs.nwu.edu

Tom,
I don't know about your buddies, but all of mine are searching for
the secret just like me.  If they give you grief about using your
driver off the fairway, just ask them about the last time they changed
balls, clubs, gloves, shoes, etc and expected their scores to improve.

If you hit your driver off the fairway in a consistent manner, I'd say
go with it.  These days I'm about a 10 but not especially long.  I hit my
driver whenever I've got a very level lie and room for error in the target
area.  The only down side is if you have a driver with a graphite
(or other soft material) head, it's going to get nicked and scratched.

-- 
wrj.

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 are skilled at winning do not become afraid.  Thus the wise win
 before they fight, while the ignorant fight to win."
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From: zba@altair.selu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: WANTED: Drivers etc.
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:32:16 -0600
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University

I am interested in buying any sort of gimmick drivers that are supposed
to hit the ball further or any other sort of gimmick club.

I would also be interested in any sort of info on where I can get a shaft
that is  in the range of 58-60 inches long.

Thanks in advance,

Brian Acosta

Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: griffinb@unix1.tcd.ie (brendan james griffin)
Subject: World Matchplay
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:39:32 GMT


Previous Winners:
1979 Isao Aoki
1980 Greg Norman
1981, 1982 Seve Ballesteros
1983 Greg Norman
1984, 1985 Seve Ballesteros
1986 Greg Norman
1987 Ian Woosnam
1988 Sandy Lyle
1989 Nick Faldo
1990 Ian Woosnam
1991 Seve Ballesteros

Most Wins: 5 by Gary Player and Seve.
Nicklaus did win it, once, 1970. Other winners include Palmer, Rodgers
and Thompson.

Brendan.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: rrmadiso@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Richard Madison)
Subject: IBM-PC Golf Handicapper.
Keywords:  IBM PC, Computer, Handicap
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 03:49:47 GMT


Due to popular demand, I have decided to make a IBM-PC Handicapper for all
you golf enthusiests. I have a list of many useful stats that I would like
to keep for myself, but would appreciate your help compiling a list of all
the stats people would like to have.  This will be distributed via share-
ware as soon as it is finalized.  I will (hopefully) send all people who
offer useful suggestions a copy of the program as soon as it is finalized.

Please e-mail all suggestion to

rrmadiso@descartes.waterloo.edu

Thanks in Advance,

Richard Madison
From: ecpzp@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr V A Noronha)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: WORLD MATCHPLAY
Date: 12 Oct 1992 17:51:43 +0100
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
Distribution: world,usa,alt,na
NNTP-Posting-Host: clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk
Summary: WORLD MATCHPLAY CHAMPIONSHIP


#################   TOYOTA WORLD MATCHPLAY,  WENTWORTH, SURREY, ENGLAND   ##################################################


Nick Faldo produced a masterful display in the final against Jeff Sluman, overwhelming his American opponent, who ranks #4 in the US Ryder Cup team rankings, by 8 & 7.

This is Faldo's second world matchplay title and confirms his status as the best golfer in the world.

Comparisons were even made by the British newspapers between Faldo's present form and the great Ben Hogan.

Faldo, 35, won on the 11th hole when he made a 3-foot putt after Sluman had narrowly missed his longer putt.

However, it was clear by the start of the second round that Sluman would need a miraculous performance to undo Faldo's lead of 6 holes after the first round, but was unable to rise to the challenge.  He even asked a police officer about the Duchess of York's (Fergie) nearby residence as he walked up one fairway.

Faldo's win, by the biggest margin ever for a final, forced the BBC to air unscheduled programs in order to fill up time that had been allocated to golf.

Faldo's win left him 160,000 British pounds (about $270,000) better off, by far the biggest prizewinner worldwide in 1992, on top of his wins in the Irish Open, the British Open, the Scandinavian Masters and the European Open, and several other high finishes, including 2nd in the US PGA Tournament.
From: jmulliga@acadia.East.Sun.COM ()
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Looking for Used GOlf Clubs
Date: 14 Oct 1992 19:47:43 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: jmulliga@acadia.East.Sun.COM ()
NNTP-Posting-Host: acadia.east.sun.com



Looking for a set of used golf clubs in the < $100.00 range. 

Posting for my brother who does not have net access, please respond to 
Joe Mulligan at 508-975-2861 during the day.

JM
From: warren@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (warren.a.montgomery)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: How to assess your weaknesses (e.g. what's normal)
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:32:58 GMT
Organization: AT&T

I've reached the point in my game where I no longer have glaring
weaknesses (clubs I can't hit, notably poor putting, etc.) but
don't score better because of a being a little less than perfect
everywhere.  It's nice to play better than before, but frustrating
not to have any obvious holes to work on to improve.  If I
mentally assess what costs me the difference between par and what
I shoot (usually upper 80's), I put most of the blame on missing
greens, wide on one side or the other.  I don't know whether I
am correct in assigning blame to any approach shot that doesn't
leave me putting, or whether I am expecting too much from my irons
and should focus more on straighter drives and fairway woods (so
as to be approach from the fairway more often than from the
rough), or on improving my chipping and sand play so as to get
down in 2 more often from where I do wind up.  How often should I
expect to be able to land on the green with an iron hit from the
fairway?  How about from the rough?  How much does that vary by
club?  When should I be able to get down in two after missing a
green?

-- 

	Warren Montgomery
	att!iexist!warren
From: younger@stsci.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Balls bouncing off waterREAD/NEW
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:09:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute

In article <1992Oct5.100753.11867@st-andrews.ac.uk>, cdcs@st-andrews.ac.uk (Colin D. C. Steele) writes:
> On THREE occasions in recent months, I have made a mess of iron shots over a
> water hazard (pond on 14th/15th on Eden course, St Andrews) and the ball has
> bounced off the water. On two of the occasions, it arrived safely back on
> dry land while on the other occasion, it bounced off the water 6 times before
> sinking in the 7th time.
> 
> Is this sort of thing more common than would appear (i.e. has it happened to
> others) or is it just that I play badly enough to put the wrong sort of spin
> on the ball and it comes to my aid on occasions like this ?
> 
> CDC

   I guess this is not so uncommon.  Just recently the same thing happened to
 me on the same hole on two successive days.  The people with me were starting
 to think I was doing this on purpose.

                                          jwy
From: exudtn@exu.ericsson.se (Derek Nelson, xt-dL)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: New to game, advice needed.
Date: 7 Oct 92 22:29:48 GMT
Reply-To: exudtn@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article 13147@exu.ericsson.se, exudtn@exu.ericsson.se (Derek Nelson) writes:
>Hi,  I just started golfing and I have 2 questions:
>
>1)  I have seen colored balls at the golf shop, is there any advantages or 
>    disadvantages to them?  I heard some guys talking about some illegal balls.
>    Are colored balls heavier?
>
>2)  I have not gotten a whole set of clubs yet, I still use my Dial-A-Club from
>    Golfsmith that a friend told me to learn on.  I hook when at the 9 iron and 
>    slice when it is set at 5 iron.  Anyone else have this problem? Any advice?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Derek
>


Sorry Guys,


I am the victim of a practical joke.  IT seems that I didn't logout and someone
posted the previous message for me as a little pay back for jokes I've pulled on
them.  Boy are they low or what... Dial-A-CLUB?  Yuck!  Colored balls? Yuck!
Actually, I am a 10 handicapper and thay are just jealous and I'm sure that they 
are reading this to get their jollies.


Derek Nelson
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve K Cramer)
Subject: Re: Driver on the fairway?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:10:53 GMT

In article <TRZ.92Oct12221728@valhalla.eecs.nwu.edu> trz@eecs.nwu.edu (Tom Zanu
ssi) writes:
>I've been experimenting a little lately with using my driver instead of
>a 3 wood off the fairways of long holes, so far with excellent results -
>I'm much closer to the green after the second shot than I would be if I'd
>used the 3.  I suppose if I were a decent player, two drives would put
>me past the green, but I don't think I'll have that worry for awhile.
>Just wondering how common this is - judging from the reactions I've been
>getting from my buddies, not too.
>--
>Tom Zanussi
>trz@eecs.nwu.edu

Hey, If you have a long way to go to get to the green, hit the driver. I do all
the time, and get on par fives in two.:-)
Also, if you don't quite catch all of the ball it still goes 200 yards. I mean 
what the hell did you lose there. You still have an iron short to get on in 
regulation, and had the chance to get there in two.

Hit it. Your friends, and opponents, will be amazed!

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Steve Cramer               scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
"just hit it"              614-292-8481
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