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From: 6500ursa@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Disco Junkie)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Inner and Lower Pec Workout
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:04:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsbcsl.4230

In article <9204161900.AA11884@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green) writes:

>>From: yyz@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (donald.w.coons)
>>Does anyone have any good exercises to really hit the lower and inner pectoral
>>region.

>To hit the lower pecs, try decline bench press (barbell or dumbell)!
>To hit the inner pecs, try pec deck and/or cable crossovers.

Here's where I will throw in my dissent.  I believe that it is impossible
to work the inner pecs alone, as you can't only work part of a muscle.
There is no way that you can shape a muscle.  You can enlarge it, but the
shape is genetic and you might as well learn to live with it.  Now you're
probably saying, but what about the upper chest?  Doesn't that disprove you?
One is able to work the upper pecs through incline presses, because
it is a separate muscle. (The pecs are a huge muscle group, with two
different muscles, like how the biceps are made up of two different
muscles.)  The feeling in your inner pecs that you get from close-grip 
presses, pec decks, and cable crossovers is deceptive.  (The source of my 
information is Dr. Fred Hatfield's _Bodybuilding: A Scientific Approach_) 

In other words, trying to hit your inner pecs is like trying to hit
the top half of your deltoids, or the top half of your calves.  The
lower chest, well you can hit it through decline presses and bench
presses.

Or am I wrong, and that it is possible to shape a muscle?  Don't get me
wrong, I do agree that you can selectively shape/stress certain muscles
to make a bodypart look different, but as for the muscle itself, you
can't change it's shape.  If your biceps are low and flat, well, it will
always be low and flat.  You won't have a mountain-like peak, but you can
work to increase the bicep muscle to give it the illusion that it is
peaked.  You can work the brachialis underneath it, or stress the upper or 
lower bicep to make it look peaked, but you can't change the shape of the 
bicep muscle itself.
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 10:59:59 EDT
From: Troy Allen Cross <TAC@ysub.ysu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Inner and Lower Pec Workout
Distribution: na

In article <1992Apr16.132403.24140@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, yyz@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
(donald.w.coons) says:
>
>Does anyone have any good exercises to really hit the lower and inner pectoral
>region. My sternum has a natural indent to it and I would really like to hit
>this area. I have been hitting chest pretty good for a year and have been
>getting fairly good results, but most of my growth seems to be on the outside.
>My current chest workout is as follows:
>
>6 sets flat bench, 6-8 reps (140#,150#,160#,170#,150#,140#)
>
>5 sets incline bench, 6-8 reps (100#, 110#,120#,110#,100#)
>
>3 sets dumbell flys, 6-8 reps (35#,40#,45#)
>
>I have thought about adding pullovers to this routine, but haven't yet. I work
>arms the same night I do chest, so any advise on this is also welcomed.
>
Pullovers will help to expand your ribcage.
Decline benches and flyes will help work your lower pecs.
However, some people believe that you should not work your lower pecs
with isolation exercises.  That, they get enough from regular chest workouts.
But, everyone is different.
I believe that inner chest is worked more by holding the contraction.

Troy
From: armstron@cs.arizona.edu (Jim Armstrong)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Proofing (PLEASE)
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:28:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <122397@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> roberts@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov (Don Roberts) writes:
>Proofread your posts!! Please.

>-- Don Roberts
>   dwr@llnl.gov


Ugh!  Not another prescriptive grammarian :^)

-- 
Jim Armstrong			  "The nonpayment and subsequent abuse of
armstron@cs.arizona.edu		  socially powerless athletes is simply a
uunet!arizona!armstron            form of modern-day slavery" --Rick Telander
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: bhjelle@vaxine.unm.edu (Brian Hjelle)
Subject: Re: slim shake, NOT! (calorie bloopers)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 16:20:19 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Apr10.112313.14590@urbana.mcd.mot.com> nbernste@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Norman Bernstein) writes:
>SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green) writes:
>
>>seen in World Gym (Seekonk) on a bottle of "slim shake" (same type of
>>single serve bottle as Muscle Mass, only it's an add milk/water powder):
>
>>   calories 197
>>   fat       1g
>>   protein  26g
>>   carbs    45g
>
>>NOT!
>
>>   from my calculations:
>>   1 * 8 =    8 calories from fat
>>   26 * 4 =  104 calories from protein
>>   45 * 4 =  180 calories from carbs
>>   -----------------------------------
>>             292 total calories
>
>
>When a product label indicates the number of calories, they are
>referring to the total carolies in a single serving.  By adding in fat,
>protein and carbs again you are calculating a non-sense number.
>
>The actual calories per serving in a bottle of "slim shake" is as
>indicated on the product packaging.
>
>Norm "know how to read the label first"

I too see nothing wrong with Janice's calculation. In my limited
experience in doing this sort of checking, I find the numbers often
add up (at least +/- 10%) but sometimes, as above, are way off.

As far as I can see, Janice did not add the calculated calories
to the manufacturer's number, as Norm seems to believe.

Does anyone know how manufacturers derive the total calories
figure?

Brian
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: yyz@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (donald.w.coons)
Subject: Inner and Lower Pec Workout
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:24:03 GMT

Does anyone have any good exercises to really hit the lower and inner pectoral
region. My sternum has a natural indent to it and I would really like to hit
this area. I have been hitting chest pretty good for a year and have been 
getting fairly good results, but most of my growth seems to be on the outside.
My current chest workout is as follows:

6 sets flat bench, 6-8 reps (140#,150#,160#,170#,150#,140#)

5 sets incline bench, 6-8 reps (100#, 110#,120#,110#,100#)

3 sets dumbell flys, 6-8 reps (35#,40#,45#)

I have thought about adding pullovers to this routine, but haven't yet. I work
arms the same night I do chest, so any advise on this is also welcomed.

Don Coons
dwc@wnb3b2.att.com
Newsgroups: rec.fitness,misc.fitness
From: mvm@caesun6.harris-atd.com (Matt Mahoney)
Subject: Re: Supplements to aid in rehydration from last minute weight loss
Reply-To: mvm@epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney)
Organization: CAE Design Center, Harris Corp., Melbourne, Fl.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:55:43 GMT

cathys@Ingres.COM (Catherine Savino) writes:
>Hi,
>
>I was wondering if anyone knew what supplements would help in helping
>re-hydrate after
>dehyrating to loss weight. The situation is this: I have a powerlifting
>meet this weekend,
>and I am dangerously close to my weight limit (116 3/4). I will probably
>have to use 
>de-hydration as a means of making weight (Unless anyone knows a better way!!). 
>I have to weigh in @ 12:30, and lifting starts as 2:30. What is the best
>(and fastest)
>way to re-hydrate??

You should be able to drink one quart of water (2 lbs) per hour from a
dehydrated state.  You will also need to replace electrolytes (mainly
sodium and potassium) and glycogen (carbohydrates) that you are likely
to lose while dehydrated.  Gatorade or Exceed has all of these.  You
should get about 1/4 to 1/2 of your fluid from these and the rest from 
water.  Drink as much as you can until you urinate every 20-30 minutes.

You will probably also carbo-deplete before your weigh-in.  The body
can store about 2000 calories (one pound) of glycogen, which it holds
in solution along with 4 pounds of water.  Eat a very high carbohydrate
meal after your weigh-in (pasta, bread, potatoes, rice) and avoid 
protein and fat.  You will need glycogen to lift.

You can train your digestive system to absorb food and water quickly.
I do this by eating and drinking as much as possible during prolonged
exercise (mostly bicycling) in hot weather.  My weight normally
fluctuates 5 lbs. during the day.

--------------------------------        _\/_
Matt Mahoney, mvm@epg.harris.com       |(TV)|  Drug of the Nation
#include <disclaimer.h>                |____|
From: lmtra@uts.amdahl.com (Leon Traister)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Yoag
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:42:28 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Apr15.192714.26500@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> sad@dasher.uucp (27640s-downie) writes:
>Does anyone practice yoga to keep in shape?
>

Yup.  It keeps me more flexible and builds some strength.  The
Iyengar stretches have particularly been helpful in keeping my back
problems quiet.

========================================================================

<Usual Disclaimer>        "The best is the enemy of the good" - Voltaire

Leon Traister (lmtra@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com)

c/o Amdahl Corporation            (408)737-5449
1250 E. Arques Ave.  M/S 338
P.O. Box 3470
Sunnyvale, CA  94088-3470
From: cathys@Ingres.COM (Catherine Savino)
Newsgroups: rec.fitness,misc.fitness
Subject: Supplements to aid in rehydration from last minute weight loss
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:30:56 GMT
Reply-To: cathys@Ingres.COM (Catherine Savino)
Organization: Ingres Division, ASK Computer Systems.

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone knew what supplements would help in helping re-hydrate after
dehyrating to loss weight. The situation is this: I have a powerlifting meet this weekend,
and I am dangerously close to my weight limit (116 3/4). I will probably have to use 
de-hydration as a means of making weight (Unless anyone knows a better way!!). 
I have to weigh in @ 12:30, and lifting starts as 2:30. What is the best (and fastest)
way to re-hydrate?? I've heard that Magnesium and Potassium will help. Is this true?
Any idea in what quantities?? I know that refined sugar is a no-no, since my last 
lift will probably not be until 5:30 or 6:00, what is the best thing to eat through-out
the day??   Thanks in advance for any help.

As a side note, If anyone is interested the ADFPA (American Drug Free Powerlifting Association)
Is holding it's Women's National Championship this weekend in San Ramon California.
If anyone is interested in attending and needs details, send e-mail.

--
"Bletch.  Gurgle.  Retch.  Gasp."  -- George Bush
--
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 They're gonna start barking." -- Octavia Saint Laurent
--
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From: SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Back workout: complete?
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:25:08 GMT

>It's the other way around. Wide grip works chest, close grip works
>triceps.

duh, of course!  geeze, rough day... sorry!  or course i knew that!!! :-)
my brain must be tired from thinking about multivariate analysis homework!
sorry...
Janice :-)
From: nak@hot.Eng.Sun.COM (Nicolai Kosche)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Metabolism Query
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:23:14 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: hot

In article <783@jgaltstl.UUCP> terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.133410.2114@stat.appstate.edu>, grs02502@stat.appstate.edu writes:
>> In article <17831@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, harvey@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Betty Harvey) writes:
>+ > Does anyone have any suggestions on how to increase your metabolism
>+ > rate.  I jog (30 minutes) or bicycle (1 hour) everyday and in order
..
>+ You have stated your problem within your question.  If you eat next to nothing,
>+ your metabolism can't speed.  I know this sounds strange because I was in the
>+ same position.  I wanted to have some good muscle size and low bodyfat.  I
>+ worked out and rode the bike and ate about 1500-2200 calories a day.  Well,
>+ this got me virtually no  reductions in bodyfat and very nice losses in muscle
>+ tissue.  I did the aerobics, why wasn't my metabolism speeding up.  I started
>+ reading about this guy Parrillo who says he can make people force feed
>+ themselves and lose weight.  He says the less you eat, the slower your
>+ metabolism get.  If you eat the amount your body needs, your metabolism will
>+ work fine.  
...
>I basically agree with the response which was given. I might add that
...
>But yes, the evidence is that a starvation diet will indeed cause the
>metabolism to slow down. Adequate exercise (45 minutes to one hour
>of aerobic exercise several times per week) is also mandatory.


Low level (not intense) aerobic exercise seems to boost my metabolic rate.
I have just lost 2 more pounds with an intake of 4000-5000 cal per day!

Yes, I do have a >$100 per week food bill.

My trainer suggested I reduce my aerobic exercise from every other day
for 1 hour to twice a week for about 30 minutes, to drop my metabolism
back a little until it's time to start cutting up.

My suggestion for boosting metabolism is to do really mellow aerobic
activity (a conversation is very easy to maintain, it seems that all
I do is sweat!) for extended periods of time.  And remember to eat
and eat and eat.


Q:  Why do you do shrugs for?
A:  So I can carry 8 bags of groceries out to the car in one trip.  8-)

--
        Nicolai Kosche                      nicolai.kosche@eng.sun.com
I speak only for myself and I do not reflect the views or position of Sun.
Anything included in this message is provided at your own risk.
From: jblst5@icarus.lis.pitt.edu (Jan B Larsen)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Quick! Help!
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:23:27 GMT
Reply-To: jblst5@icarus.lis.pitt.edu
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article 14450@awdprime.austin.ibm.com, lkoh@elman.austin.ibm.com (Lisa Koh) writes:
>My neck has been killing me since i got up this morning...
>intense pain when i tilt my head....
>help !   what should i do??
>
>Lisa Koh


Don't get up. Don't tilt Your head!

- Jan
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: schiffd@tigger.Colorado.EDU (David M. Schiff)
Subject: Re: Calories burned while thinking
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 07:33:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.174051.21795@cs.dal.ca> lantin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Maria Lantin) writes:
>In article <92103.111526GU7@psuvm.psu.edu> GU7@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>I've read and seen posted here and in other groups information
>>about the amount of calories burned during various physical
>>activities.  However, no mention is ever made of the number of
>>calories burned while thinking.  I'm not talking about sitting
>>on the couch thinking, I'm talking high-powered,hard-work,geez-my-
>>head-hurts-when-I'm-done thinking.  I'm finishing a 1.5 year long
>>research project and writing the final report.  Man, this is tough
>
>I am a university student and I can appreciate the effort spent in 
>studying REEEEEEEALLY hard. 
>
>I would think (ha!) that for people who don't usually think that much
>(basically on automatic most of the time) probably expand more energy
>because of the strain put on the brain.  For those of us who think 
>constantly well the equation, I imagine, is more complicated.
>
It just so happens that there is an article on this very subject
in  the current issue of Science News.  Some study was done, using the
measured uptake of radioactive glucose, to gauge the metabolic rate of
the brain while engaged in different tasks. They had two groups of people.
One group had to learn how to play some complex new computer game, while
the control group basically vegged out, staring at some entertaining
nonsense on the screen (which required no mental effort).  Sure enough,
those who learned the games did expend more energy.
  
The conclusion was more interesting than this, though.
Those who have learned how to perform complex tasks use less energy
than those who are still learning.  The implication is that as the brain
learns something it becomes more efficient (i.e. it also learns which
neural circuits to use and which ones to ignore).  I don't have
the article in front of me but basically that's what I remember.

I also just finished a paper, was thinking hard, and wondered the same
thing (about calories burned).  I wasn't getting much exercise at the time
but the process made me very hungry afterwards. 
My guess is that writing a paper is in essence performing a new, complex
task that can cause a fairly large number of calories to be burned.
It *would* be interesting to know what this number is and what the
metabolic range of the mind is (in terms of calories/hour).

Dave.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: ruby@raid.dell.com (Ruby Pan-Ratzlaff)
Subject: Re: Toning Magic
Reply-To: ruby@raid.UUCP (Ruby Pan-Ratzlaff)
Organization: Dell Computer Co
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:33:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.171320.2161@stat.appstate.edu> grs02502@stat.appstate.edu writes:
>
>What is this mythical "toning" legend.  You go to the gym, do some exercises,
>and presto you become "T O N E D".  What is toning?  Any answers out there??
>
>It is muscle growth and fat reduction...i.e. positive alterations in body
>composition.  Sorry, if this sounds rude, but if I hear one more,"I just want
>to get toned", I think I'm going to lose my chicken and rice.  You want to get
>your muscles to become stronger and therefor bigger while reducing body fat. 
>You do in fact want your muscles to grow not just become....eeesh.."toned".
>
>-Brett

When people say they just want to get toned it usually means they don't 
want to build alot of bulk.  Sure, you have to build some muscle and lose
some fat to do that, but there is a difference between "body building" and
getting "toned."  It's even a different approach to weight lifting (more
reps, lighter weight, etc.)  There is a place for the term "toned."

-- 
-- 
the electron surfer				Ruby Pan-Ratzlaff
Dell Computer Corp				9505 Arboretum Blvd
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)
Subject: Re: Calves (was Re: Lat pulldowns (was Re: Average Lifting Ability ))
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:48:49 GMT

In article <Apr.8.10.35.07.1992.7249@remus.rutgers.edu> clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.235604.9901@nic.umass.edu>, Richard Muller writes:
>
>> My calves measure about 15" ( a little more right now, but it's only
>> an hour after a hard leg workout) which isn't particularly massive,
>> even on my 5'10" 165# frame.
>
>Well, my calves are 18", which is about right since I'm 5'10" 240#
>(15*sqrt(240/165) ~ 18).  Considering that I haven't worked them
>properly in quite a long time (I suffered an ankle injury last summer),
>I should be able to build them to be over 20".
>
>-Chris

yes, but chris, what is your bodyfat level, and what is your
waistline?

poo
From: bagdy@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Mark Bagdy)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 14:42:27 GMT
Subject: Re: My aerobics teacher can't follow the music
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: misc.fitness

In misc.fitness, lkoh@elman.austin.ibm.com (Lisa Koh;Austin) writes:


    Got a little problem w/ my aerobics teacher

    she's great and all that, but quite often she doesn't follow the beat &
    goes too fast or too slow

    this bothers the hell out of me and i usually ignore her and stay with the
    music even thought the whole class is going w/ the instructor

First to address your input about the instructor...
The instructor should, simply, be following their own music.  That's what it's
there for!  Music is chosen at the correct tempo, with a strong 4/4 beat, etc.
specifically to be followed.  If the instructor isn't, it would be a kindness
to them to bring it to their attention just as you said above: start with the
positives about her class.  Mention your suggestion for improvement.

Do you have regular instructor evaluations?  We have an annual evaluation month!
April is it for us!  As instructors, we look forward to having all students
anonymously grade us in everything from safety, attitude, to music used.

    am i stubborn or rude for doing this?  if you're an aerobics instructor,
    please tell me if it bothers you at all when someone in the class does
    their own thing like this, or even starts doing their own exercises if
    they don't like yours (which i also do a lot)

NO! NO! NO!  Not only does it *not* bother me, but I encourage students to 
do their own thing!!  That may sound wierd, but think....

         1)  "This ain't no dance class"
         2)  Different students have different physical abilities.  One with
             shoulder injuries won't do those arm circles.  The other with
             ankle problems won't do those lunges, etc. etc.
         3)  Men are fearful of aerobics due to the dance nature, difficult
             moves, etc.  I encourage newcomers to do variations of moves if
             they are not familiar with them.  That's better than getting 
             frustrated and leaving...

Hope that helps!        
Mark Bagdy
"Aerobics instructor and part-time Marketing Engineer" :-)
From: jat@hpsemc.cup.hp.com (Joe Talmadge)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:22:57 GMT
Subject: Back workout: complete?
Organization: the Airborne Toxic Event
Newsgroups: misc.fitness

Hi, I'd like some advice on my back workout.  After years and years of
trying to get back width and failing (my back got strong, but never
wide), I'm finally getting some success in widening my back.  I'm
worried, however, that the exercises I'm doing aren't getting all
areas of my back.  So, before I end up with an out-of-proportion back,
can anyone comment on whether there are any glaring deficiencies in
the following workout:

40 pullups total in 5 8-rep sets (2 wide-grip sets in front of the head, 2
wide-grip sets behind, 1 set close-grip chin-ups)

2 sets of 25 wide-grip fingertip pushups

3 sets of behind-the-head pulldowns (12-10-8 reps)

3 sets of in front of the head pulldowns (12-10-8 reps)


I'm getting some really good width now.  I've heard that I need to add
sit-down rows if I want my lats to be "thick".  What areas of my back,
exactly, do you think I'm hitting or missing?

Thanks in advance,

Joe
jat@cup.hp.com
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From: nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
Newsgroups: misc.misc,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: When do we stop being outsiders? (WAS Re: The Journal on ...)
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:44:25 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Apr14.175417.16347@watserv1.waterloo.edu> schamber@watserv1.waterloo.edu (CHAMBERLAND S - BIOLOGY) writes:
> (lots of attributions deleted - this is getting ridiculous!)
>
>Well, they may be a minority, but it's them we hear the most in Quebec.
>
>I still remember seeing on TV an old ontarian general who said that
>TROC should send the army in Quebec...
>Or APEC dinosaurs...
>
>Only YOU know that's a minority. French Quebeckers don't. Media
>show them the contrary.

Forget what you've heard from others, Sylvain.  Forget the headlines
on the news, for a moment.

You've been living in Ontario for a while now - and Waterloo hardly
qualifies as a francophone haven!  So, what have YOU found?  Have you
met this sort of attitude often?  Have you really been made to feel
like an outsider, because you're from Quebec?  Even remembering that
one idiot can make you forget 100 reasonable people - what is YOUR
overall evaluation of Ontarians?  Are they people you can get along
with, or bigots who threaten your culture?

The Rhealist (Rheal Nadeau)                 |  Bell-Northern Research
Internet:  nadeau@bnr.ca                    |  Ottawa, Ontario, Canada 
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