HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ab0kfc@gdt.bath.ac.uk (K F Chow)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: BMS survey
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:53:15 GMT
Organization: School of Architecture, University of Bath, UK

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K.F CHOW                      email : ab0kfc@uk.ac.bath.sl1
School of Architecture &              ab0kfc@uk.ac.bath.gdt
Building Engineering,
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From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Any minority candidates?
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:10:09 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

In article <1992Apr13.110717.3834@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>
>As for Cheltenham, there is a fair chance the Conservative
>would have lost whatever his colour. The Conservatives lost the
>very similar seat of Bath to the LibDems despite the fact that
>the Conservative candidate was a government minister who had
>represented the seat previously and the LibDem candidate was an
>outsider who had only been selected at the last minute. 

Some might argue that the Conservatives lost Bath to the LibDems
BECAUSE of the fact that their candidate was not only A government
minister, but was in fact A PARTICULAR government minister.  Certainly
the Bath Small Businesses Association (or whatever they call
themselves) has been waging a 'get Patten' campaign since the
introduction of the Uniform Business Rate.  The few normal people that
I know who live in Bath seem to have had similar feelings towards him.

There appears to have been a strong feeling that he sold his
constituents' interests down the river in the interests of Tory dogma.
From the strength of the apparent feelings of betrayal, one gets the
impression that he at some point had a good local reputation for
looking after 'his' voters, which he then managed to undermine.  (Be
interesting to see what happens in the first byelection, when
presumably the Tories will stand him.)

-- 
Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
 P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132
From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Emigration after the Tory win on April 9th
Date: 14 Apr 92 05:21:10 GMT
Organization: sgi

In article <1992Apr13.135956.7608@sci.kun.nl>, hugh@sci.kun.nl (Hugh Osborne) writes:
|> 
|> Just possibly this. By the time the next elections roll around the United 
|> Kingdom will have been governed for almost twenty years by a party that
|> never received a majority of the votes in a general election.

OK, but so what?   Who was the last German Chancellor whose party
got an overall majority?   I think it was Adenauer.

Some people, including some Americans, think that overall majorities
are the natural order of things, and that anything less somehow
calls into question a party's mandate to govern.  They forget that
they only have overall majorities themselves by the rather dubious
process of using the system to handicap third parties.   When John
Anderson, for example, ran as a third candidate, he had to go to
court in several states just to get his name on the ballot.

jon.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.travel
From: tylerh@cco.caltech.edu (Tyler R. Holcomb)
Subject: Long Layover at London Heathrow
Summary: what to do for 10 hours at Heathrow?
Keywords: layover london heathrow
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:46:01 GMT


Greetings,

This sunday I am traveling to Israel on British Airways.  I will
have a ten-hour layover at Heathrow airport.  I would not
like to spend this time hanging around the airport - I would
much rather hop on the public trnasport (the Tube?) and see
*anything.*  I have no delusion about seeing all the sights - 
I just want to see someting other than planes landing. I will
be traveling light, and I intend to have  British money before
leaving  Los Angeles.  

Any thoughts or suggestions or comments you could provide would
be most helpful. 

Thank you


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: scobbie@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Jim Scobbie)
Subject: Re: British Bill: of Rights? of Goods?
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:46:34 GMT

In <1992Apr5.154830.16756@yang.earlham.edu> allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith) writes:

>	The US admittedly has its problems with such violations- such as 
>the recent Unconstitutional ruling by the Supreme Court that homosexual 
>activity may be prohibited by law. But I don't think Ireland or Britain 
>are any better, given such things as (in Ireland) church-state barrier 
>violations or (in England) lack of free speech/press (Official Secrets 
>Act). I don't know of any country that I'd call pleasant or fair.

The person I replied to explicitly said they are taught in 
school that the US constitutional system in 'superior'.
I disagee. The US is no better than the UK was my point, and I'll
stick to that claim. Whether either is 'pleasant or fair' in some
objective sense is impossible to say, I guess. But I fail to see
the superiority of the US boasted by the poster I replied to. 




-- 
James M. Scobbie: Dept of Linguistics, Stanford University, CA 94305-2150, USA
                  scobbie@csli.stanford.edu
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From: vance@speech.sri.com (Vance Maverick)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: ENGLISH AS SHE IS SPOKE
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:53:01 GMT
	<1992Apr13.162825.26556@newshost.lanl.gov>
	<kujhdnINNtd@early-bird.think.com>
	<1992Apr14.123955.5987@athena.mit.edu>
	<WARK.92Apr14135421@gandalf.think.com>
Followup-To: alt.usage.english
Organization: Speech recognition group, SRI
In-reply-to: wark@gandalf.think.com's message of 14 Apr 92 17:54:21 GMT

In article <WARK.92Apr14135421@gandalf.think.com> wark@gandalf.think.com (Mark Warkentin) writes:

   In article <1992Apr14.123955.5987@athena.mit.edu> terra@athena.mit.edu (Terra Witkop) writes:

      I've been living in Metro-Boston for almost 4 years, and have *very*
      rarely heard anyone refer to soda [...] as "tonic" [...]

   May be just a north shore phenomenon.  In Malden - Melrose where I've lived
   for  6 years, it's all they use.

This very long thread has brought up so many disagreements of this
sort that I think it's worth considering that these dialectal variants
may just not correspond closely to geography.  Many variants and many
dialects may be floating about simultaneously in the same
neighborhood, and the forces which lead us to choose a variant (or to
hear it) may be a little more complex than proximity.

Just a thought (and an attempt to push this over to
alt.usage.english),

	Vance
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Sponge bag
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:57:52 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

Time out for the clueless yank again, please.

In my favorite novels, Forster, Sayer, Wodehouse, et al., I
run into references to sponge bags. What are or were they?

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Only the mediocre can always be at their best." -- Mencken
For an average time write uunet!microsoft!frankm
For an even more mediocre time try frankm@microsoft.com
From: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Northern Ireland and alledged British propaganda
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:39:02 GMT
Reply-To: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Organization: Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.

In article <1992Apr6.122119.7574@rz-berlin.mpg.de> gray@rz-berlin.mpg.de writes:

> [...]			       , complain about the daft political system that
>allows NI to elect MPs who have no effective power at Westminster, complain
>about all these things and rightly too, [...]

	Umm.  This just before a general election that, at the time of
writing, appears to be too close to call.  So it is quite possible that
the NI MPs will hold the balance of power in a few days time, just as
the SNP did in the last days of the Callaghan government.

-- 
Andy Walker, Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.
anw@maths.nott.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: goddard+@cs.cmu.edu (Nigel Goddard)
Subject: Re: The Decline of Britain (was Re: Great Britain as a malfunctioning democracy)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 22:03:57 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <14APR199216300953@zeus.tamu.edu> pac9897@zeus.tamu.edu (SMELLS LIKE JOHN MAJOR....) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.133600.10682@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>,
> baker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Baker) writes...
>>Do you consider the magazine _The_Economist_ to be a "tabloid" or
>>"tory propaganda"?  Do you consider its editors and writers to be "morons"
>>and "bigots"?
>
>I think it probably fits into the group of Tory propaganda, since you ask.
>Whilst I think it is a good magazine, I really do not think it is
>worth the orgasms that so many Americans seem to have at it's mere mention.

The Economist is a pretty good indicator of what the business community
in Britain (and increasingly the US) want.  Since the Tories hew closest
to business interests, the Economist line and the Tory line are often
similar.  But I don't think the Economist pushes the Tory line.  Rather,
both the Economist and the Tories push the business community line.
Calling it propaganda may or may not be enlightening.  And of the two,
the Economist is more loyal to the business community; the editors are
quite willing to criticize Tory policy if it is not good for business
interests.  American approval of the magazine is due to the incredibly
strong identification of educated Americans with business interests
(often to the point of equating "democracy" with "free markets", for
example).

Nigel

-- 
Nigel Goddard
goddard@b.gp.cs.cmu.edu
From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Election Fraud by the Conservatives
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:11:04 GMT
 Apr10161517@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU><JIM.92Apr13110259@hunter.cs.strath.ac.uk>
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: nickh@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <JIM.92Apr13110259@hunter.cs.strath.ac.uk> jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid) writes:

   In article <NICKH.92Apr10161517@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU> nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes:

      As far as I know, no poll tax collectors use the electoral roll to
      gather names and addresses.

   Council officials maintain that there are "fireproof walls" between
   the staff working on these two tasks. However,  it stretches
   credibility to accept that the staff don't/won't share information or
   that the Poll Tax computers don't look at the Electoral Roll computers

Well, it may be stretching credibility, but I have good evidence that
this is true, at least for Cambridge. See my earlier post. (I didn't
believe it myself when it happened).

The poll tax was not an attempt to disenfranchise Labour supporters,
but a (very successful) means of further emasculating local
authorities, and centralizing power in Westminster.

Nick Haines nickh@cs.cmu.edu
From: 00rdharringt@bsu-ucs.uucp (Rob Harrington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Gerry Adams out, Good news for NI...
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:52:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.144148.17230@newcastle.ac.uk>, D.M.Johnson@newcastle.ac.uk (Dave Johnson) writes:
> Could that fact that Gerry Adams was not elected by the people of west belfast
> indicate to the supporters of the actions of the PIRA, that this actions are
> not wanten and a peaceful solution should be used.
> 
> 
> Dave Johnson
> 

just out of curiousity are there any "moderate republican" (is that an
oxymoron?) groups in NI?  Groups that want to seperate from UK and
possibly re-unify with Eire without killing people?

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa
From: buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland)
Subject: Re: Why should Libya hand over the PanAm bombers?
Organization: University of B.C. Computing Services
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:09:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.124654.133@pony.Ingres.COM> mkrey@Ingres.COM (MICHAEL KREY) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.232851.29460@unixg.ubc.ca>, buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony  writes...
>> How about, because the UN Security Council has told them to?
>HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!  Why not say, because the Guam foreign minister 
>said so, or because Nancy Reagan said so??????  Same bloody thing.... 

 I hope this won't come as too much of a shock, but last year there
 was a substantial, if short, war fought in the Persian Gulf.  It
 established a new principle in world affairs, that the SC can issue
 enforceable resolutions, particularly if it seems likely to be able
 successfully to call on the US to carry the brunt of the effort of
 enforcing.
From: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Any minority candidates?
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:12:36 GMT
Reply-To: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Organization: Chemical & Process Engineering Dept, University of Newcastle, UK.

mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:

>In article <1992Apr13.110717.3834@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew |> Labour also have Ghanaian Paul Boateng, and the Asian member
>|> who won the Langbaurgh by-election earlier this year and kept
>|> his seat. The Tories have their first Asian member, elected for
>|> Brentford and Isleworth in the general election.
>|>
>Wrong again - I checked and actually Ashok Kumar lost
>Langbargh. However Ealing Southall (probably the constituency
>with the highest proportion of Asian voters - over 40%) was won
>by an Asian for Labour.

The seat of Langbaurgh was won at a bye-election so the fact that it was
lost again at the following election is not too surprising.  The same 
thing happened to the SNP in Glasgow.

  On the radio it mentioned that Kumar was the only non-white MP who 
represented an area which did not contain a significant ethnic minority.

>Matthew HUntbach
From: geoff@hinode.East.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Questions on the election
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:22:35 GMT
Reply-To: geoff@east.sun.com (Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top)
Organization: Sun Microsystems PC-NFS Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: hinode.east.sun.com

Quoth migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey) (in <1992Apr10.115106.19941@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>):
#-- What was the "conservative newspaper" that endorsed Labour this time
#   around?  The local news didn't identify it.

Well, IMHO the most unexpected endorsement for Labour was from the
Financial Times. On the other hand, they do print on pink paper...

[Any other suggestions for "most unlikely endorsement"?]

Geoff

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From: goddard+@cs.cmu.edu (Nigel Goddard)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.politics.british
Subject: Re: The Decline of Britain (was Re: Great Britain as a malfunctioning democracy)
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:23:59 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Apr14.235946.25884@leland.Stanford.EDU> rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.220357.213802@cs.cmu.edu> goddard+@cs.cmu.edu (Nigel Goddard) writes:
>>
>>The Economist is a pretty good indicator of what the business community
>>in Britain (and increasingly the US) want.
>>
>> ....
>>
>>  And of the two [Tories and the Economist],
>>the Economist is more loyal to the business community; the editors are
>>quite willing to criticize Tory policy if it is not good for business
>>interests.
>
>That's pretty simplistic.  The Economist...
>supports the classical liberal economic line---free trade and free
>markets.  It is often at odds with what the British (or any other govt)
>may be doing at the behest of its businesses.

You seem to be agreeeing with me.  I agree with you that it is simple.
Of course there are many factions within the business community, all
agreed that capital accumulation is the major goal and divided only
on means to that end.  I'd say the free-trade faction is overwhelmingly
dominant.

Nigel

-- 
Nigel Goddard
goddard@b.gp.cs.cmu.edu
From: mfriley@wpi.WPI.EDU (Margaret F Riley)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Gas stoves
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:50:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: wpi.1992Apr9.165019.12911
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

In article <EWADAMS.92Apr9015132@netcom.Netcom.COM> ewadams@netcom.Netcom.COM (Ernest Adams) writes:
>
>It may be that British flour isn't bleached.  You might try using
>unbleached flour.  On the other hand, our wheat is grown in gigantic
>factory farms where every effort is made to increase production and
>reduce costs regardless of the effect on quality; while yours is
>probably still grown by Farmer Brown using methods that haven't
>changed significantly since the invention of the plowshare in the
>14th century.
>
>-- Ernest

Oh, I just remembered something too.   Most American flour is bleached
and bromated (whatever that is).   King Arthur Flour from Vermont is
neither bleached nor bromated.  In addition to the sugar, this may have
some affect.

Margaret
mfriley@wpi.wpi.edu
From: jlb10@cl.cam.ac.uk (John Beaven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Election Fraud by the Conservatives
Keywords: Poll Tax
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:04:07 GMT
Reply-To: jlb10@cl.cam.ac.uk (John Beaven)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

In article <1992Apr10.102209.22158@osf.org>, david@guadet.gr.osf.org
(David George) writes:
|> 
|> A dissapointed Labour voting friend of mine claims that "Labour was 
|> robbed" by the poll tax.  He says Labour would have one but for 
|> the 'million Labour voters  who couldn't afford to register to vote".
|> In view of the 77.5% turn out is  there any truth in this ?
|> 
|> David

Sounds plausible. Remember that's 77.5% of the people in the 
electoral register. You don't have to pay to register to vote, but
if you register you might get caught up by the poll tax people who
you are trying to avoid.

I've heard that comparisons between demographic studies and
the 1991 census suggest that a million adults have "disappeared" from
Britain. (roughly, take population in 1981, add births and immigrants, 
substract deaths and emigrants, compare with 1991 population).

I wonder if that might be a reason why the polls were so wrong. Perhaps
pollsters managed to get trough to the "disappeard" (how are their samples
selected?) who expressed some voting intentions rather than admitting 
that they had become disenfranchised to avoid the poll tax?

John
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: uk.politics,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Why wait 5 years?
Date: 17 Apr 92 09:45:05 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <RJC.92Apr17061105@brodie.cstr.ed.ac.uk> rjc@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley) writes:
>--
>rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk	I always though `working class' was defined by
>			knowing how to make tea properly...


Yes, that's what I thought as well. Luckily I don't even drink tea:->

And on the matter of the cricket test showing how British (English
actually) you are I support Australia!

(I used to support England when I lived in Australia, but then they
needed it!-)




-- 
   "This isn't an argument, you're just contradicting me!"  "No I'm not."
   
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: The Decline of Britain (was Re: Great Britain as a malfunctioning democracy)
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:13:47 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Apr14.133600.10682@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> baker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Baker) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.101803@axion.bt.co.uk> ravis@axion.bt.co.uk (Richard Avis) writes:
>
>>To be honest, I have (personally) lost all respect and sympathy for
>>the squalid little people who keep voting the Conservatives in. Frankly,
>>I think they are turning into a bunch of bigotted, self-interested morons
>>who seem unable to understand that the country
>
>If it is self-interested for a rich person to vote Conservative, is it also
>self-interested for a poor person to vote for Labour?
>If yes, why the whine?  If no, what's the point of the Labour Party??
>

This reminds me of a marvelous exchange in "Claudius the God". The corn
merchants are conspiring to keep the price of grain high. Someone objects
that this is selfish of them.

Corn merchant: the people that sell the grain want it to be expensive,
the people that buy it want it to be cheap. Why are the wants of one more
valid that the wants of the other?

Reply: Well, there are far more people who want it to be cheap.

CM: That would seem to add up to more selfishness, rather than less.

Reply (exasperated): Bah, mere sophistry!


Paul (paraphrasing and reconstructing from memory)
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: uk.politics,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Can YOU predict the election outcome? - **RESULTS**
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:21:12 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid)
>I very much doubt that any sane person would want to read the
>manifestos far less believe any of the rubbish in them. The front page
>of the Sunday Sport is more truthful than the ideological drivel, lies
>and wishful thinking in party manifestos.

In fact the policies conatined in the manifestos of the last
few governments have by and large been implemented by them. As
I suggested in a previous message, this disparagement of
political parties is bound to help the Right since its effect
is to discourage people from getting actively involved in
politics, which will hurt the Left which relies on its mass
membership more than it hurts the Right which does not need
many memebrs because its relies on its money and entrenched
power.

Matthew Huntbach