HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bms@penguin.eng.pyramid.com (Bruce Schlobohm)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Segment Violation signal!
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:51:06 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology, San Jose, Ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: penguin.eng.pyramid.com

In article <1993Jan6.164245.20045@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, horn@freefall.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Horn) writes:
| Hi I just got elm PL20 up and running.  But with that patch I occasionally get
| the following error:
| 
| 	Segment Violation signal!
| 
| 	Emergency exit taken! All temp files intact!
| 
| First of all, I'm running SunOS 4.1.3.  The only times that I've been able to
| get this to occur are when:
| 	I'm reading from my spool folder
| 	I'm reading a message w/out a "Status:" header
| 	I'm using either the builtin or builtin+ pagers
| When all of these things are true and I hit 'x' I get the above mentioned
| error - every time.
| 
| Anyone else noticed this?

Yes, I can duplicate this also.
I'm running elm2.4p20 on a Pyramid system running DC/OSx 1.1 (SVR4 based).
I can duplicate this regardless of the pager type (builtin/builtin+/less),
but the key for me is the first two you mention:
 	I'm reading from my spool folder
 	I'm reading a message w/out a "Status:" header
		(doesn't fail for saved folders w/out Status: header)

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: dans@panix.com (Dan Simoes)
Subject: Re: Failed compile of 2.3PL11 on AIX 3.1.6
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:27:39 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC


Just as a followup to my own post, I recompiled with the secret flag,
-U__STR__ and it worked fine, both under 3.1.6 and 3.2.2.

I actually had printed out the AIX FAQ, and tried using the flag, but 
when I printed it out the flag looked like -U_STR_, so of course
it failed.

Thanks for the replies.  Elm is great, and I now have it running on
AIX, HP-UX, Unisys, Sun, and Coherent.  

I wonder, would I be able to make it work under VMS???

| Dan |

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From: rob@zorro.cecer.army.mil (Rob Knauerhase)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: "Reply to *typed* address"
Date: 10 Jan 93 18:19:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.C0nHKM.18H
Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers Construction Engineering Research Labs

In <9301100004.AA10110@SERVER.uwindsor.ca> ophof@SERVER.uwindsor.ca (Scott Ophof) writes:
>Let's say that your suggestion and mine were seriously being
>considered for implementation.  Assuming insistence on use of
>INTUITIVE ONE-character commands, and if the upper-case "R" is used
[...]
>Seems like we're already running out of command-space that can be
>used intuitively.  (sigh)
[...]
>I'd like to add that insistence on 1-char commands does not make it
>easy to keep the command structure simple for the user, nor does it
>in any way help to increase intuitiveness.

I'm pleased that elm is as friendly as it is, since that makes it so much
easier to proselytize as I move from site to site.

However, it's easy to forget that "user friendly" almost always means "expert
hostile."  If we stress "intuition" and the like to the extent of losing
conciseness, then we lose a lot.

My vote (approporately weighted since I'm not on the development team :) is
to keep everything as short and sweet as possible, even if it means making
Joe Appliance-User remember that "z" means "reply and let me type the address."

Rob
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From: vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Timed out on locking mailbox?
Date: 4 Jan 1993 13:46:42 -0500
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology, CAE/CAD Lab
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: cae.cad.gatech.edu

In <C0C5Au.G88@ccu.umanitoba.ca> mills@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Gary Mills) writes:
>>It' obviosly a lockd related problem. I pop open my Console window, and
>>for every attempt to lock the mailbox I get:
>>lock-manager: RPC error: (9) RPC: Program/version mismatch

>I'd recommend not using fcntl locking in elm.  Sun's mail programs,
>bin/mail, ucb/mail, and mailtool only use flock and file locking.
>You will avoid many problems with the lock manager this way.  Until
>Sun starts using fcntl locking, I think we should avoid it too.

Yes, but flock only appears to work for local systems anyway. Could I
just disable both flock and lockf and use dot-locking only? Would this
pose any disadvantage on either the server or it's dataless clients?

Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Permanent status
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:19:43 GMT

In article <FHJ0WDC@math.fu-berlin.de> guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes) writes:

>gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone) writes:
>
>[Sven]
>>>Why on earth would we want stati like "private" or "confidential" with email ?
>>
>>Ummm, it could be that sometimes you have folk looking over your shoulder
>>or some such, and sometimes you don't?
>
>How about keeping people looking over your shoulder ? (hint hint)

When you work in user support, this can be a rather tricky situation
to engineer.

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From: tnnrtg@tnb.phys.tue.nl (Tonnie Geraets)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: "Reply to *typed* address"
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:45:12 GMT
Reply-To: tnnrtg@ctrl.phys.tue.nl
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology - NL

spencer@ernie.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun) writes:
>others have suggested just using f)orward... how about just having it
>verify the To: address the same way that it verifies the subject?

>i.e. when you reply, it shows you who you're replying to and then says

>Subject: RE: foo

>And lets you CHANGE the subject if you want to.

>Why not do the same thing for To:?  One extra carriage return for people
>who don't want to change it, and easy access for people who do want to.

>I've always found it annoying to have to save the article and then
>remember to go to the header screen.  Especially if it's a long
>response, by the time I ZZ out of vi, I've forgotten that I wanted to
>change the header :-)

I often have a similar problem when replying privately to a message received
from a mailing list: The 'From:' field specifies the original author, but
there is also a 'Reply-to:' field pointing to the mailing list address.
(Other mailing list are organized different, i.e. don't have the 'Reply-to:'
field).

A normal r)eply doesn't give any feedback with respect to where the reply will be
sent to, so you have to remember to check whether the reply will be sent to
the author or to the mailing list.

>This would not require using any additional command keys and would be a
>very minor change to the interface -- all you have to do is hit one
>extra carriage return, and if you forget, nothing bad will happen, you
>just have to hit carriage return again.

It could even be made an option, settable in the elmrc file. Those who like
this feature set it ON, others set it to OFF.

-Tonnie.

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From: kenh@leps5.phys.psu.edu (Ken Hornstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Suggestion: new command
Date: 4 Jan 1993 21:31:12 GMT
Organization: Penn State, Laboratory for Elementary Particle Science

In article <C0CGus.JL4@Sweden.Prime.COM> hakan@Sweden.Prime.COM (Hakan Sjogren) writes:
>It would be convinient to have a command (M)ove message to
>another mailbox beeing a combination of Copy followed by Delete

(S)ave does this already (although I admit it's a bit non-intuitive :-) )

--Ken
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: serini@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (Piero Serini)
Subject: HELP! (and FAQs)
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:43:24 GMT

Hi all.
First of all, I wish you all a happy New Year.

I installed Elm 2.3 pl 11 and I get a strange behaviour:
when i mail a message, everithing seems fine, but when
I go and look into it I see it's empty ! I mean: elm sends
the headers, but no Subject and no body ! Any hint ?

Second question: ftp site for elm 4 pl 20 ?

Finally, if there are no FAQs ( I see lots of postings
asking "ftp site, please" , "I'll summarize if interesting"
and so on) I offer myself as a FAQ keeper.
If you are interested, please send me email with subject
"Elm - FAQ".

Thanks in advance
Piero

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From: manaster@yu1.yu.edu (Chaim Manaster)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: problem with Elm setup.
Date: 10 Jan 93 05:06:00 GMT
Organization: Yeshiva University

I recently gained access to a unix system and the Internet and mail
along with that, so I am a neophyte in this regard. I started up my
learning curve wiht mail using the standard mail program on this
system (IBM AIX 3.2 on a 6000 proccessor). Everything went well.
Then I heard about Elm and chose to move  to it. That's when the
problem's began (I am sure due to my ignorance, not any real bug in
Elm). When I brought Elm up as my mail reader, I just selected all
the defaults (I think?) and it turns out that may have been a
mistake. Two problems seem to have occurred. The first and the
worst was that somehow Elm changes the group of my mail slot in
/mail/manaster and /spool/mail/manaster (my name is manaster) from
the group called "mail" to the group that I belong to, thus the
system can no longer write to my mail box and returns all my mail
to sender!! I got the system administrator to change back the group
ownership of the mail files and sure enough when I used the
standard mail system all worked well again. Then when I tried to
use Elm again, it once again switched the group attributes back
again from "mail" to my group name!

No one seems to know what is causing this. Any ideas of what I
should do? It is probably something trivial (Ihope).

The second thing is that Elm seems not to want to use my standard
mbox file to save the received mail, rahter it insists on using a
file it created called "received". Why? I would like to use mbox,
so that I could switch back and forth between Elm and mail, if I
choose.

Unfortunately the Elm docs are not yet up on our system.

Thanks for the help.

Henry Manaster.

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From: mendez@taliesin.greco-prog.fr (Mendez Marc)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: "Problems restoring protection" in 2.4.17
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:23:02 GMT
Organization: LMI (LaBRI University Bordeaux France)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Kurt Swanson (kurt@dna.lth.se) wrote:
> Every time I leave elm after reading new messages (only in my incoming
> folder), I get the message "Problems restoring protection...".  What's
> wrong here?  I have no functionality problems - everything seems to
> work fine, but I just get this message...
> 
> What's the deal?
> -- 
> Kurt Swanson, Dept. of Computer Science,
> Lunds universitet.  Kurt.Swanson@dna.lth.se
> -- 
> Kurt Swanson, Dept. of Computer Science,
> Lunds universitet.  Kurt.Swanson@dna.lth.se

I think I know one reason. If you cannot access the chgrp command (in
fact in C, the chown() instruction), the problem happens. When you
quit elm, it try to restore the group file to the mail group. Of
course, in that configuration it can't. On my machine, the group of my
mailbox becomes my group. The trouble is that right access are read for
the priviligied group, so when it switches to my group, anybody in my
group can read my mailbox !
For this case the solutions are :
-	unset all the read bits for your group and the priviligied
	group for your mailbox file, after the first "restoring
	protection" problem. You must configure as well all the mail
	readers you may use to keep your mailbox file even if it's
	empty. So, you won't need to bother the read bits later.
	Otherwise, when a new mailbox file will be created, the problem will
	happen again.

OR

-	Ask your administrator to install the executable. Elm will own
to root, with a sticky bit (you'll will have to recompile elm to
switch a flag in the configuration as well ). Normally, root has
access to the chown() instruction (!). But it will have to prevent
from opening a shell via ELM (guess why....).

As for me, I use the first solution, and it's work fine. But I must
warn my friends when they use it for the first time.

Pleased to help you.

Marc.

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From: hakan@Sweden.Prime.COM (Hakan Sjogren)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: 8 bit characters in the top menu
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:07:33 GMT
Organization: Computervision Sweden

I run elm2.4 with mime support 8 bit transmission,
iso-8859-1 body as you can see in this mail.

1. I can not enter non-ascii characters in the Subject field
2. Incoming mail WITH nonascii characters in the subject field
   display correctly using more as pager, but
   the subject line in the ELM menu display ? marks instead of my national
   characters.

Bare with me, if this reported before..
Any plans anywhere to fix this?

This is my national characters: edv EDV

reg,

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From: ophof@SERVER.uwindsor.ca (Scott Ophof)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: "Reply to *typed* address"
Date: 9 Jan 1993 18:06:33 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


On 8 Jan 1993 03:11:47 GMT adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) said:
>In article <9301080223.AA22606@SERVER.uwindsor.ca> ophof@SERVER.uwindsor.ca (Scott Ophof) writes:
>>When one hits "r" from the index screen or while reading an item,
>>one means "reply to whatever originator/sender/reply-to address is
>>in the header of this item".
>>But other than laboriously rewriting the address on the headers
>>screen, there's no (simple) way to specify a different address.
>>...
>How does this differ from forward?

"forward" automatically includes not only the original item, but
also its headers.  That action is not what I want.

The "reply" command automatically assumes an addr as destination
without giving one the chance to add/change/remove addresses at the
time the "reply" command is invoked.  This action doesn't give me a
chance to do what I want at the most obvious time in the chain of
events.  Sometimes I reply to an item which has an unreplyable
return-addr.  So I need to change this addr...


>>In the doc I have access to, the "r" command is explained, but there
>>seems to be no "R" command.  And "R" isn't recognized by this version
>>of elm.

>There is no R command.  I suggested that it be used to reply to a mail
>and include the headers and such, which is an occaisonally useful
>thing to do.  It could also be used for R)espond and automatically
>include the message.  Or we could leave it for some future feature.

Yes, I saw the relevant posting, and now understand what you meant
in your item...  ;-)

Let's say that your suggestion and mine were seriously being
considered for implementation.  Assuming insistence on use of
INTUITIVE ONE-character commands, and if the upper-case "R" is used
here, then only one of the two suggestions can be implemented.
Seems like we're already running out of command-space that can be
used intuitively.  (sigh)

But how about a (set of) prefix character(s) to appropriately modify
the command?  Like:

   i   Include specified address(es)
   t   Include the original item
   h   Include the original headers
   -   Reverse the meaning of the above

Thus "-itr addr" would mean "remove 'addr' from the list of addrs to
reply to, but include the original text".
This might be easier than manually editing the relevant field?
(I know that "i" and "t" are existing commands; I just used those
characters as examples.)

Which reminds me; maybe add a way to access the "envelop" screen
before going into edit mode?  A version of that screen that still
leaves most of the previous screen (index or item being read) nicely
visible?  And/or an option for ".elmrc" to *always* show the envelop
screen after leaving edit mode?

I'd like to add that insistence on 1-char commands does not make it
easy to keep the command structure simple for the user, nor does it
in any way help to increase intuitiveness.

Comments?

Regards.
$$/
From: pechter@ocpt.ccur.com (Bill Pechter)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Elm 2.4pl 20 errors
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:56:33 GMT
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp.,Information Services

In article <1993Jan6.164245.20045@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> horn@freefall.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Horn) writes:
>Hi I just got elm PL20 up and running.  But with that patch I occasionally get
>the following error:
>

Well I just built PL20 and I continually get the following when trying
to print messages from elm:

readmsg: illegal option -- I

followed by the print job spooled message.

I see -I is an undocumented  feature...

From readmsg.c

    The undocumented "-I" option is a kludge to deal with an Elm race
    condition.  The problem is that Elm does piping/printing/etc. by
    running "readmsg|command" and placing the mail message selection
    into a folder state file.  However, if the "command" portion of
    the pipeline craps out, Elm might regain control before "readmsg"
    completes.  The first thing Elm does is unlink the folder state
    file.  Thus "readmsg" can't figure out what to do -- there is no
    state file or command line args to select a message.  In this
    case, "readmsg" normally gives a usage diagnostic message.  The
    "-I" option says to ignore this condition and silently terminate.


Any suggestions...


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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: doc@uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: filter question
Originator: jvmg9796@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: doc@uiuc.edu
Organization: A temporary reversal of entropy
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:53:48 GMT

ellis@rtsg.mot.com (John T Ellis) writes:

>"!/usr/local/elm-2.3/bin/filter -vo /home/loden/ellis/Mail/.elm/filter_errors"

Hmm...I'm not certain about this, but =my= .forward file reads:

"| /usr/local/......"

Maybe changing the ! to a | and adding a space would work.  *shrug*

By the way, you shouldn't set the Follow-To: line to your email address.
Set the Reply-To: line to your address instead.  Followup-To: lines refer
to newsgroup names, not email addresses.
-- 
Jim Marco
doc@uiuc.edu
From: dave@das13.snide.com (Dave Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: SIGV error with elm-2.4 PL20
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:40:37 GMT
Organization: Snide Computer Services - Folcroft, PA

I just patched elm-2.4 to patch level 20.  If I go into elm, flag a message
to be deleted (or read a message and return to the <i>ndex), when I select
e<x>it... I get the following:

Segment Violation signal!
Emergency exit taken! All temp files intact!

What happened???

DAS
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From: dwolfe@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Dave Wolfe)
Subject: Re: Error initializing terminal with elm
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:46:44 GMT
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas

In <1ikgv4INNn1l@crcnis1.unl.edu> burchell@cse.unl.edu (David Burchell) writes:

>We have elm installed on our LAN of DG AViiONs running DG/UX 5.4.1.
>The actual code is on a server (of sorts), with the elm directory
>mounted on all the workstations in the room.  It has been
>functioning flawlessly, but now on one of the workstations,
>attempting to invoke elm produces the error message:

>Failed trying to initialize your terminal entry: unknown return code -3

This message comes from tgetent() via InitScreen() in src/curses.c.  On
DG/UX, tgetent() returns zero or ERR (which is defined as -1 in
curses.h).  Since InitScreen() assigns special meaning to returns 0,
-1, and -2, the value returned from tgetent() gets 2 subtracted from it
to return the -3 you're seeing.

"But why is tgetent() returning an error at all?" you ask.  Is it
really any user logged into this workstation, or just one particular
user?  Is there such an entry in /usr/share/lib/terminfo (assuming
you're linked with libcurses.a)?  I don't think it works, but if you're
linked with libtermcap.a, is there such an entry in /etc/termcap?  Is
the TERM variable set correctly?  Is either of the variables TERMINFO
or TERMCAP set to some bogus value or directory/file path?  Is the Elm
executable everyone else is using the same one this user/workstation
is executing?

Hope some of this helps.

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.sys.apollo
From: kornai@csli.stanford.edu (Andras Kornai)
Subject: Folder search path?
Organization: CSLI, Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:48:59 GMT

Is there some easy way to guarantee that elm always looks for mail
folders in ~/Mail first, and in ~ or . only afterwards, if at all?
Thanks, and Happy New Year,
Andras (kornai@csli.stanford.edu)