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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:54:00 EDT
From:         Travis Kidd <TKIDD@CLEMSON.BITNET>

On Tue, 25 Aug 1992 13:48:26 MST Roger <CARROLL@SCC.BITNET> said:
> >Zdravstvuytye!  Nadyeyus', chto tui budyesh' dyelat' khorosho v
> >klassye russkogo yazuika.
> >-Travis
>
> Vye izder zomini mor orziz aziz dander iz orziz?
>                                                  _ __
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Kha????
Odnogo Aziza kotorogo ya znayu--Tarika Aziza.
-Travis
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:27:10 -0400
From:         KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU
Subject:      Re: This week's Chronicle . . .

Jamie:
First, thanks for the kind words.  Kudos worth treasuring :)

I'd be interested in more information in the Hyde bill.  First, does it
encompass private colleges as well as public (excluding religious ones)?
Second, what is the "Hyde test" you mentioned (I'm assuming it's some sort
of list of specific provisions or some such)?  Finally, why do you oppose
the bill?  Is it this one specifically you don't like?  Or is your
objection more general?

Thanks!
Kerry
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:59:05 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Youthful punks

Robert asked brni:

"Are you BILL CLINTON?"

Now, Robert.  Let's be fair.  We know that brni is not Bill Clinton,
because brni writes to us *himself*, instead of getting his peons
to send personal mail to us over the net.

There.  brni defended.  Case closed.

--Missy P 2 B
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:55:00 EST
From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: clarification for andy

> nearly married (we have set the date, just waiting for it
>to arrive) to a wonderful woman who has no desire to have children of

>fred


heyheyhey-congrats on upcoming nuptuals, fred!

so where's my invite? :)

-linda
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:46:17 -0700
From:         Andy Freeman <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject:      joy riding and social activities

>Also, what do list members think about punishment for youth? I saw a
>recent cbs news article that car theft is epidemic on the east coast and
>that many of the perpatrators are under 14 years of age. The police see
>the problem as being that the joy riders are immediately released with
>no punishment for their actions.

BTW - "joy riding" doesn't imply unsafe use of the stolen car.
Stealing cars for such uses is a recent trend.

>I would think that there are other social considerations such as lack
>of youth activities.

If this lack is such a factor, why is the activity NEW?

-andy also opposes mandatory universal service

--
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:12:36 GMT
From:         james p mcbride <BRIDEC92@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>
              26 Aug 1992 11:13:36 -0400 from <SPRG0002@TULSAJC>

On Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:13:36 -0400 Robert sprg0002@tulsajc.bitnet said:
>
> *** Resending note of 08/26/92 09:24
>
> ... much deleted
>
> >Responding to a question about how he would work to decrease the drop-out
> >rate, especially among minorities, Clinton pointed out that Arkansas has
> >gone from 35th to 18th in the nation in drop-out rate since he took office.
> >While the national drop-out rate is increasing, Arkansas' is decreasing.
>
> Are they aborting that many babies in Arkansas?
>

Do you really have so much of an abortion fetish (or so much pent-up hatred
against liberals - the two seem interchangeable at this stage) that you
cannot grant Clinton even the slightest compliment?  If it was a joke,
then it certainly ranks up there with last months homosexual jokes, so maybe
I shouldn't be surprised.

>
> >Kerry
>
> ---Robert



james p mc bride
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:06:41 EST
From:         macphil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: speed, police, crime, hell
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              4 Sep 1992 15:58:05 BST from <dunstan@GEC-EPL.CO.U K>

On Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:58:05 BST Dunstan_Vavasour said:
>All the time I was in Ohio I *never* drove at 55, and never got
>stopped either. I thought that you guys treat the 55 like we treat our
>70 - driving about 20 over.

Rather surprising...Ohio has a strong reputation for being sticklers
about the speed.  Indiana less so and Michigan even laxer.

>And another thing I couldn't believe: Ohio law is that seat belts are
>compulsory. The works we were working at put out publicity in advance
>that on a certain date they were going to check how many people were
>wearing seat belts. Even with that warning, less than 30% of the
>people going through the gate had theirs on. In Britain at least 90%
>obey this law.

Indiana also has such laws but they cannot stop you for being
beltless.  If they have you stopped for something else, then
they can get you for the belt.  I think the law itself should be
abolished, but I think insurance companies should also have the
ability to say "if you have an accident and you aren't belted--
we don't pay."  There are insurance policies for teetotalers so why
not for those smart enough to wear belts? (not to mention the parents
who don't belt their kids and allow them to climb about the car as
if it were a jungle gym)

------------------------------------------------------------------------
"The lesser of two evils is still evil." - Winston Churchill

MacPhil / iqti400@indycms.bitnet / iqti400@indycms.iupui.edu
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:07:00 EST
From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Are Quayles Pro-Choice?

>   uh, KAT, maybe she was considering what happens if their daughter
> is raped and becomes pregnant as a result. this is rare, but it
>  does happen. consider the effect on a young woman (13 or 14, i think)

>  rtf

no no rufus,
think back about a year or so, dear danny-boy was asked if he would consider
abortion to be okay if a girl of 12 were a victim of incest or rape, and he
said that even in those circumstances abortion should not be an option.

i tried giving him the benefit of the doubt, but it was just a lapse on my part.
i think kat is right, he's playing for votes hoping that the pro-lifers will
see him as a loving (suffering) parent, and the pro-choicers will think he's
maybe human. i'm going back to my original assessment-what a slimey bastard he
is.

-linda (i'd rather lose a limb than flirt with him)

ps. i will post a list of all those i would not flirt with shortly, just so
    rufus won't think my standards are *that* low.
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:05:29 -0400
From:         KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU
Subject:      Re: Speech and Evolution

Jamie:
>First, "slow" and "rapid," as evolutionists use those terms,
>should be read "VERY VERY VERY slow" and "very slow." For
>an evolutionist, a thousand years is the blink of a geological
>eye.
>Second, I don't think we can confidently assert claims about
>how rapidly significant evolutionary change occurs. There's
>a lot of disagreement about this stuff, isn't there?

Yes, much current debate focuses on rates of evolutionary change.  I don't
think anyone much argues that, relative to one another, biological
evolution is very slow and cultural evolution is very rapid.  I guess I
didn't make it clear that I was speaking in relative terms.

>>I would argue that, starting at least at the beginning of
>>agriculture, the two have become increasingly separated.
>
>Well, could be. I really think views about this area are
>highly speculative.

Yep.  That's why I best like to discuss this stuff over pizza and beer :)

Kerry
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              29 Aug 1992 16:48:46 GMT from <jwales@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

Jimbo:

I wasn't going to mention this, but it's been typed in at least
ten times now.  FOIST.  The word is FOIST.

Thank you.

--Missy P 2 B
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:47:05 -0400
From:         SPRG0002@TULSAJC.BITNET
Subject:      aside reference to income tax

 *** Resending note of 08/31/92 15:28

 >I hate to think of all males as potential rapists, but, then again, I
 >can't totally refute the claim either.  I wish I could.
 >But then again, we all are potential bank robbers, potential income-tax
 >cheaters, potential murderers.  Of course, some women are potential
 >rapists.

 Are you sure that "income tax cheaters" should be listed among criminals.
 I thought it was the income tax *system* that was illegal (unconstitutional).

 ---Robert
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 07:39:03 -0400
From:         Rick George <RIGEORGE@VASSAR.BITNET>
Subject:      Clinton and Bush...state by state

From Sunday's New Your Daily News (I only buy it on Sundays for the
sports and comics--honest):

"A tally by The Hotline, the widely respected political news briefing
service, based on statewide polls taken over the last month, shows Clinton
currently leading in 32 states--including New York--worth 365 electoral
votes, while Bush is leading in only two states for a total of 37
electoral votes."

Being the Daily News, they do not list the states in which Clinton or
Bush are leading (or even explain why their numbers only total 34 states--
what is happening in the other states?  Is no one leading?).  They list
"Battleground" states:  Michigan (18 electoral votes), Pennsylvania (23),
New Jersey (they don't list the number of electoral votes in NJ), Ohio (21),
Illinois (22), North Carolina (14), and Georgia (13).


Also, Ross Perot had a piece in Sunday's New York Times Op-Ed page titled
"'How Stupid Do They Think We Are?'" in which he says that we need a
president like Sam Walton:  Walton became rich by "listening to his
customers and taking swift action to meet their needs and desires."  To
Perot, the tax paying citizens are the government's customers.  I don't
remember Walton quitting Wal-Mart, though, when he got criticized.

Perot also provides a service for the Republicans and the Democrats, pointing
out to them things for which they ought to stand:  rebuilding the job base,
stimulating the growth of small businesses, eliminating the deficit, getting
rid of illegal drugs, rebuilding our cities, and so on.  I'm sure that
Bush and Clinton are grateful to Perot for sharing.

The exit question is what is Perot up to?  Why is he taking active steps
to get on as many state ballots as he can, long after he withdrew from
the race?  Are his motives for his United We State America group pure
(that is he really wants to help his country) or is this some sort of
power trip for Perot?

...Rick
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:56:00 EST
From:         Tyrone Slothrop <199561011@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Youthful punks

sprg...:

who, me, unpatriotic?
well, i'm not bill clinton, so it is possible.

actually, it has nothing to do with patriotism.  i am a pacifist,
and as such, i could not stomach joining an institution that exists
for the purpose of either killing or being ready to kill others.
if i ever find myself drafted, i fear that i will end up in jail,
because to submit to the draft would be, for me, immoral.  i may not
be jimbo, but i do have a certain ethical code that i try very hard
to stick to.  you wouldn't like it tho; it doesn't include "g"OD.

brni
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:32:31 EDT
From:         Jamie <PL436000@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: 'J'amie 'G'

>From:         "Robert sprg0002@tulsajc.bitnet" <SPRG0002@TULSAJC.BITNET>
>
> But in his (yes I remember) case, the G is for gibberish.

Which part, exactly, did you think was gibberish?

> Do you never tire of twisting other's comments?

Which part, exactly, did you think was twisted?

> I believe you missed your calling.  You
> should have worked for the State Department.  They love guys that can
> talk for hours without making any sense.  Does some college offer a
> course in advanced nonsense?  Do you teach it?

I will again leave Robert to his ad hominem.
I should point out, however, that your average state department
official is a fairly reasonable person. It's only the bosses
who are maniacs.

> I need EVIDENCE that you are real, so I can decide whether to laugh at
> your postings or cry because my favorite comedian doesn't exist.

Yeah, right. Good one.
So, I guess Robert has given up on providing even the faintest
evidence, reasons, or arguments. What a shock.

Jamie
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:35:19 CDT
From:         "The Truth (some assembly required)" <T9AA@SDSUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Patriotism

Make that "any flaG (not flat) worth a sh*t was wove from fire
in the first place."

Dave
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:25:39 EDT
From:         CHISMST@GE1VM.SCHDY.GE.COM
Subject:      Pat Buchanan
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FROM:   MIKE SEGURA
Subject: Pat Buchanan

Does anyone know if a copy of PB's convention speech is avail.  I've
heard a lot about it and wish to read it for myself.

Thanks in advance!


    ** Decide promptly, but never give any reasons.  Your decisions
       may be right but your reasons are sure to be wrong.
                                       - Lord Mansfield
Regards,
MIKE
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:15:12 -0400
From:         SPRG0002@TULSAJC.BITNET
Subject: Re: morals

 *** Resending note of 08/31/92 13:43


 > Ask around, big guy.
 >                       -Tim

 Tim!  Are you still peeking?
 ---Robert
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 11:46:12 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: pregnancy and childbirth

Pam:

As many women's groups will tell you, most Caeserean births are not
performed to save the life of the mother and the child.  They are
performed to save the doctor time and effort.  On this and other
issues, I recommend "Without Moral Limits:  Women, Reproduction, and
the New Medical Technology," by Debra Evans.

--Missy P 2 B
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:49:56 MST
From:         Roger <CARROLL@SCC.BITNET>
Subject:      republicans take the LOW road

>I heard about the imitation Elvis riding with Clinton/Gore, its called the
>'Don't Be Fooled' bus tour.
>
>Great, great that's all we need...Sax, Gore, and Rock n' Roll.
>
>Sounds like the Democrats take the low road again.  How low can they go?
>
>Sue Clark

Sue...the imitation Elvis is being sponsored by the REPUBLICANS to follow
Clinton/Gore.  Sounds like something Donald Segretti or Lee Atwater
would have done.
                                               ---roger
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 09:04:23 -0400
From:         KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU
Subject:      some responses to Clinton

Hi, y'all:
Did anyone catch Clinton's call-in gig last night?  I only saw the last few
minutes, and was pretty impressed with what little I saw.

MacPhil: Clinton said that his tax hike on the wealthiest 2% will amount to
$11 billion per year.  That squares with what Reich said (that the hike
will be less than a quarter of the windfall. . .).  Thought you might like
to know :)

Responding to a question about how he would work to decrease the drop-out
rate, especially among minorities, Clinton pointed out that Arkansas has
gone from 35th to 18th in the nation in drop-out rate since he took office.
While the national drop-out rate is increasing, Arkansas' is decreasing.
The specific strategies he recommended were: (1) good pre-school
preparation (like Head Start, etc.); (2) elementary school counselors and
small class sizes in early grades to help at-risk students as early as
possible; (3) continually reinforcing to kids the consequences of choosing
to drop out vs. choosing to stay in school; (4) guaranteeing all 11 and 12
year-olds that, if they finish high school, they'll have access to either a
two-year vocational training program or a college education.

Lord only knows Clinton's not perfect -- but if I want an education
president, he's running way ahead of Bush.

Kerry
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:35:27 EDT
From:         todd pukanecz <CCCS@VTVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: meaningless phrases

>Can you list 3 specific things your learned in college (in the classes,
>not in the "atmosphere") that had a real value to you later in real life?
>
ummmm......
1) From my database class, the Entity-Relationship model has made my
   programming tasks a little more straight-forward.
2) Principles learned in my technical writing class when I write manuals.
3) Reinforcing an emphasis on open communication in a relationship from
   my human sexuality class has helped make my current romantic
   relationship a consistent source of joy.
*) I can think of lots more.  Also, the things I learned from the
   "atmosphere" are just as important to me.  They sometimes reinforce,
   often add to, and occasionally contradict what was taught in class,
   but experience properly assimiliated is never useless.

>Second question:  Is your current job or area of study closely connected
>to your undergraduate degree?
>
I've been working as a computer geek for the college of ag since the mid
1980s.  Since I work for the University, they paid for many of my classes.

>Please note:  only people who have actually graduated from college are allowed
>to answer this question.
>
I finished my last class in August toward my BS in Computer Science.
Donations of cash as graduation congratulations are most welcome.
(And now, back to politics.....)
     toddddddddd
>Thanks.
>
>--Missy P 2 B

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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:36:00 EST
From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: i am so dismayed

thank you kerry,
i feel so much better now.
here wolfy wolfy  :)
-linda
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:12:00 EST
From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      did i send the wrong stuff?

ok-i hope this didn't happen, but i was sending personal stuff and i think
it went to list instd. if so, i'm really sorry. let me know if i did, cause
then i'll have to re-send to correct address. also, did everybody take off
for the wkend, or did our nasty storm friday night knock everything out.
linda
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:42:00 EDT
From:         GRACZ1@ITHACA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: democratic platform

                                   Can you say "inconsistency?"
                                   Robert would rather see children
                                   alive (not aborted) and responsible
                                   (not emulating the promiscuity of
                                   someone like Magic Johnson).  Your
                                   responses indicate that you would
                                   prefer 1/3 of the children of this
                                   generation dead (congratualtions, you
                                   got your wish) and the rest encouraged
                                   to take senseless risks by betting
                                   their *lives* on a little piece of
                                   latex.  *Some* of those children
                                   *will* end up dead, if they engage in
                                   that behavior.  Are we doing them
                                   a favor by encouraging them to play
                                   *those* odds?


                 Now hold on a minute.  Nobody is encouraging children
              to act irresponsibly or to bet their lives on a little
              piece of latex.  I have also never heard anyone encourage
              teenagers to be promiscuous.
                   However, it is necessary to acknowledge
              the fact that no matter what they are told, teenagers
              WILL have sex.  Trust me, it's not all that long since I've
              been a teenager myself.  So, it is better to use the example
              of Magic Johnson, a promiscuous person who is now going to
              die as a result, and to tell them that IF they do have sex,
              using a condom reduces their risks of getting AIDS, than to
              simply say things like "AIDS is a homosexual disease" and
              "don't have sex".


                     ---G. Racz
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