From: dickhoff@NERO.WUSTL.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Worthless Japanese Apology
Date: 16 Aug 92 16:00:58 GMT



In article <Bt22MM.Co7@world.std.com> ttraub@world.std.com (Terry Traub) writes:
>In article <9208152326.AA12774@nero.wustl.edu> dickhoff@NERO.WUSTL.EDU writes:
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>>In this world a real man should not care whether or not a bully
>                 ^^^^ ^^^
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>In this world a real man does not feel compelled to resort to
>semi-slurs such as "Jap" and then thumb his nose at people who might
>feel offended.
>
>Just state your points and have respect for other people who might be
>reading this newsgroup.  What a wonderful world this would be.
>
>T. Traub

Mr. Traub, you are right.  I accept your criticism.  My apology to  
those who felt offended by my vulgar word.  An revised version of my
previous post after adoptting your criticism is attached after this
message. 

As to the problem of expected Japan official apology to China for her
past war crime and possible Japanese loan to China,  I would like to 
suggest our Chinese people to learn from Jewish people. 

About in 50s', west German was willing to offer a huge financial
aid (note, it was not a loan) to Israel to help Jewish people to 
construct their country.  However, it was very understandable 
that many Holocaust survivors were strongly against acceptting
this offer.  But then- Israel-premier Ben-Gurion patiently persuaded 
his people to accept this offer which Israel needed.  What Ben-Gurion 
said was to the effect that "We FORGIVE THEM, BUT WE WILL NEVER FORGET."
So finally, Israel people accepted Western German financial aid.  BTW,
it was said West German giving this aid to Israel was out of their
guilty feeling.

I suggest our Chinese people should learn from Jewish people on this point.

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T.T.Wu

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I thought this should be a least controversial subject.  But it seems 
some boy-scouts in scc don't understand this world well.  Here is
my 2 cents thoughts, maybe redundant, but is helpful to those boys
in understanding this world.

In this world a real man could not care less whether or not a bully
has made a "sincere" "regret" or "apology" or whatever for the crime
he has committed.  A real man should care whether or not this bully
could get ANOTHER CHANCE to do it again.   There is no doubt that the  
bully would do a crime again if he got second chance, no matter how 
sincere his "regret" was/is.   There is simply no such thing as   
"sincere regret" from a bully.  Clear?

There is no doubt Japan would invade China again IF they have another 
chance even if they had made a 10000000000000000000 times apologies!
The key is we should make our country stronger and don't let Japs
have a second chance. Whether or not Japan wants to apology is up to
them, but in my view, it has little worth.

I alway feel pissed off whenever I read in People's Daily about
Japanese's saying to the effect that "Japanese and Chinese should
not fight against each other again".  It sounds like Sino-Jap War
was caused by misunderstanding between Chinese and Japanese.  What 
the heck is this?!  If Japanese want to provoke Chinese into another 
invasion war, we will definitely fight back.  It is up to Japanese
whether or not we will again fight against each other.   

That is all my 2 cents.

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