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From: scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM (David Scheid)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Re: Native Indians - Where did they start ?
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:46:59 GMT
Reply-To: scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: danzan.ebay.sun.com

In article 3594@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU, prs9k@brain.med.virginia.edu (Phil Scarr) writes:
>
>Pick up any intro Archaeology book.  They all tell this story.  In a
>nutshell, during the last major glaciation a bridge between asia and
>north america opened up and asian nomads crossed the bridge and migrated
>south filling north and south america by about 8000BP.  The rest is, as
>they say, history.

I do not believe that this is a unanimous conclusion. There is 
continuing speculation for immigrants coming from the Polynisian
Islands to South America. 

Based on physiogonomy, it has been suggested that the Algonquins of Maine/
Canada and the Basque are closely related. No explanation has been given
for this similiarity. 

So, while large % of the NA Native population may have been a result of
asian nomads, it is certainly not conclusive that *ALL* were.

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Dave Scheid - All Disclaimers Apply
Newsgroups: soc.history
From: vzhivov@alfred.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov)
Subject: Re: Soviet space disaster?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:55:18 GMT

In <1993Jan5.181558.856@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu> buxton@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (buxton) writes:

>In article <JMC.93Jan2132259@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU  
>(John McCarthy) writes:
>> I don't remember details, but I believe that Soviet space accidents
>> have been fairly well reported by now - both in magazines like
>> _Aviation Week_ and in the post-censorship Soviet Press.  Yurii
>> Gagarin, the first man to orbit the earth, was killed flying
>> a fighter jet.  So were two American astronauts.  Over the years,
>> the Soviets had more and worse accidents than we did.
>I thought that Yuri Gagarin was killed in a later space mission when his  
>chute didn't deploy and he landed harder than anticipated.  Or did this  
>fate befall some other Soviet cosmonaut?

Yuri Gagarin died in 1966 I believe. He was a test pilot and was
killed in a plane crash.
                                                  Vladimir


































Newsgroups: soc.history
From: katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason)
Subject: Re: Johns through History
Keywords: John, Jon, Johnny, Jonathan
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:19:00 GMT

Hmmm.  This should be fun.
1) Prince John who was (all legends aside) was king after Richard the 
       Lionheart.
2) John Dickenson who was the antagonist of John Adams in the independence 
       debate.
3) Pope John I-XXII and two pope John XXIII (one during the great scism
       and the other this century.
4) John Graham of Claverhouse Viscount Dundee (aka Bonnie Dundee) who
       liberate Scotland from the clutches of the English (still hasn't
       been done).
5) John Diefenbaker - only Canadian Prime Minister who ever came from 
       Western Canada.  

Do Jacques and Josephs count?  That's just John in another language.  

Katherine Merle Mason
Ne Oublie....
From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Re: _Target Hitler_ a book review
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:12:39 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1993Jan5.191211.5333@island.COM>, fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
> Also, when the war was winding down (read: it was clear the Germans were going 
> to get their tails kicked), Hitler insisted on providing all necessary supplies for his death-camps, even at the expense of the war effort. Surely, this cannot have been lost on the generals. 
>  
> Mike

However, the principal plotters were involved and organized by
1938, when their actions can only be read as a principled opposition
to Hitler's madness.  Many attempts were made by them in 1942 and
1943, but for a variety of reasons, the results were not discovered.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"When freedom destroys order, order will destroy freedom." -- Eric Hoffer
Not a goal, just a statement of reality.
Xref: sparky soc.history:10529 sci.archaeology:3104
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Newsgroups: soc.history,sci.archaeology
Subject: Re: The Truth behind the Taj Mahal
Keywords: Taj Mahal, Hindu, temple
Date: 4 Jan 93 04:49:52 GMT
Organization: Unocal Corporation


(1) Unsigned articles have suspicious motives.

(2) Religions expropriating each other's holy sites is a common practice, not only in the Moslem
& Hindu struggle, but in Palestine, Christians over native religions, etc.

(3) For better or worse, it the victors that write history.  Often one does not hear the other
side, although many modern historians try to be objective.
Xref: sparky soc.history:10575 sci.archaeology:3118
From: trifid@agora.rain.com (Roadster Racewerks)
Newsgroups: soc.history,sci.archaeology
Subject: Re: The Taj Mahal is a Hindu Temple
Keywords: Taj Mahal, Hindu, temple
Date: 6 Jan 93 11:29:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.C0FJx0.7vK
Organization: Open Communications Forum



Whatever you may think of this article, it was seen here (or on some other
newsgroup I subscribe to) at least a year ago, so it has nothing to do with
the current religious problems in India.

(And I do believe I once read in a non-Indian history that Shah Jehan was,
indeed, a hard man, and very tight with a rupee. I always wondered how the
legend squared with the historic accounts of a man with an enormous harem he
didn't treat very well, and a tendency to hate to part with money...)

I suspect it may not be 100% revisionism, although given the continual strain
in the region between the two major religions, I am not prepared to swallow
this version whole, either.

(And my interest in European history makes me much more willing to accept
"revisions" after all the new evidence about Bronze Age Europe...  :-)

Suze
From: fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Re: Sierra Leone (Re: Quiz question)
Date: 6 Jan 1993 06:42:03 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <1993Jan6.062344.1703@samba.oit.unc.edu> Suzanne-lucia.Demitrio@launchpad.unc.edu (Suzanne-lucia Demitrio) writes:
>In article <726155135.28131@minster.york.ac.uk> 
>sjbuckle@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>
>>   Who established Sierra Leone as a colony ?
>>
>>I think the actual name of a person is required, rather than the colonising
>>country, 
>
>Granville Sharp, a British anti-slavery activist, founded the colony in
>1787.  He was soon supported by a coalition of abolitionist groups, the
>Sierra Leone Company, based in London.  Most of the settlers were, of
>course, freed slaves.  Britain adopted the colony in 1807; it became an
>independent Commonwealth state in 1961.
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Suzanne Lucia                    suzanne-lucia.demitrio@launchpad.unc.edu
>--
>   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
>     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
>        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
>           internet:  laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80

I think it more correct to say that the Anti-Slavery Society, of
which Sharp (all honour to him) was the founder, established the
colony of Sierra Leone.

-- 
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She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
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Newsgroups: soc.history
From: spencer@panix.com (David Spencer)
Newsgroups: soc.history,alt.war.civil.usa
Subject: Re: Use of Pre-Civil War Railroads in Warfare
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:19:44 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

turrell@violet.berkeley.edu (David Turrell) writes:

>townsend@capitol.com (Dave Townsend) writes:

>>	OK, who first (period!) used railroads in war?  Napoleon III?
>>	Any references appreciated.

>There could hardly have been large scale use of railroads in warfare
>before the Civil War. The first passenger line opened in 1818, in England,
>so that leaves out anything to do with the first Napoleon. The Crimea
>would hardly have had extensive rail service in the 1850's.

The Paris Revolution of 1834, the Revolution of 1848 and the periodic
Paris insurrections of the 19th century were put down with troops
brought by rail from the countryside to the cities. This had an
important effect on European thinking about the military use of
railroads.

dhs   spencer@panix.com
Newsgroups: soc.history
From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Re: Maryland Religious Freedom Act of 1649
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:00:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Dec31.213147.21186@oz.plymouth.edu>, sos@oz.plymouth.edu (Steffan O'Sullivan) writes:
> ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:
# #Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the Maryland Religious
# #Freedom Act of 1649 (or some name extremely similar to that)?  
# 
# No, but please post if anyone has *any* info about such a document!  I
# find the year to be a bizarre one for a Catholic colony, only 15 years
# old in 1649, to be declaring religious freedom when the mother country
# just outlawed Catholicism!
# 
# -- 
#   - Steffan O'Sullivan		         sos@oz.plymouth.edu

I believe I've read that it granted religious freedom to Protestants,
with a few limitations.  Since Maryland had been established as a
refuge for Catholics, granting religious freedom to Protestants at
the same time that England was prohibiting Catholicism, sounds like
smart politics.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
C++ is to C, as lung cancer is to lung.
Newsgroups: soc.history,sci.space,soc.culture.soviet
From: dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com (Dennis Newkirk)
Subject: Re: Soviet space disaster?
Organization: Motorola 
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 09:53:33 GMT

In article <4121@iris.mincom.oz.au> marks@iris.mincom.oz.au (Mark Stavar) writes:
>Charles Packer (packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov) wrote:
>: Somebody told me recently that they had read that the
>: former Soviet Union had suffered a space disaster in which
>: they had to leave one of their cosmonauts in orbit to die
>: because they couldn't rescue him. My informant said that
>: his information came from reading newspaper accounts of
>: formerly secret material that was made public in the last
>: couple of years during the unravelling of the Soviet system
>: and the subsequent increase in openness of discussion and 
>: publication in Russia.

This is most probably an exaggerated account of Krikalev's mission
5/91 - 3/92.  He was originally to return in 10/91 but this was 
delayed until the next crew exchange on 3/92 due to the Kazak cosmonaut
being added to the 10/91 mission. Krikalev was never in any unusual
danger because of this, and he was never alone on Mir. I met him last 
August so he made it back okay. This story was grossly exaggerated 
by the western press. Krikaley got extra bonus pay for staying also.

Soyuz are always left attached to Mir for emergency return of
the crew. Information is radioed to Mir periodicially about emergency
reentry and landing sites available around the world. If cosmonauts really
needed to return to Earth from a space station, they need only to fly 
the Soyuz back like the Soyuz T-14 when Vasyutin got sick.
  
>I recall reading that at some point earlyish in the Russian space
>programme that there was a retro mis-fire on one of their missions.
>This lead to the unfortunate situation of the space craft in question
>flying off directly into the sun.  The story mentioned something about
>the wife of the cosmonaut in question being in radio contact with him
>up to the very end.
>
>I have no hard material evidence with which to back up this story - it
>may be plain wrong.
>Mark Stavar

Yes. This last one sounds like stories about the Soyuz 1 accident.
There were rumors for years about someone listening to Komarov 
as he decended to Earth and the parachutes failed (this part is true,
he was the first spaceflight fatality). Its very  unlikely his wife
would even have been in contact during his short and troubled mission.
Also, for any manned spacecraft yet constructed I'm sure it would be 
impossible to reach the Sun by a failed retro burn, there just isn't
enough performance. It's probably impossible to even intentionally fly 
to the Sun. 

Dennis Newkirk (dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com)
Motorola, Land Mobile Products Sector
Schaumburg, IL
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
From: sjsobol@wariat.org (Steven J. Sobol)
Subject: Re: Chrysler e-mail address
Organization: APK Public Access Unix * Cleveland, OH
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 06:39:19 GMT

x87lynn@gw.wmich.edu wrote:
: Hi,
: 	I was wondering if Chrysler Corp. has an internet connection.
: I am looking for a way to send e-mail to my dad who works at Jefferson
: Assembly.  

Well, cfc.com is a division of Chrysler (Chrysler Finance Corporation, I
believe). Maybe you should check with the postmaster there.

-- 
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Also President of The Tiny Software Co.   E-Mail Address: sjsobol@tiny.com
From: HF.ALB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Ann Babb)
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
Subject: Looking for Babb's
Date: 7 Jan 1993 08:26:31 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

Any Babb's in the Chicago/Toronto area who are related to Clarence
Babb?  My grandfather was William Cecil Babb, youngest of 13, in
Canada.  I'm looking for distant relatives.  Please e-mail me
directly.  Thanks a lot!
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
From: an5138@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Looking for Leon T. Barry - Cleveland
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.net-people
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:20:00 GMT


If anyone knows of email or USnail address for Leon Barry, either in
Cleveland, OH or formerly from Cleveland, let me know.

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Newsgroups: soc.net-people
From: newcomb@pops.navo.navy.mil (Don Newcomb)
Subject: FOUND! (Re: Looking for Tom von Deak of NASA)
Summary: Thanks. You can disregard the request.
Reply-To: newcomb@pops.navo.navy.mil (Don Newcomb)
Organization: Naval Oceanographic Office
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:50:57 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-12725]: pops.navo.navy.mil

In article <7JAN199310523947@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> rqdms@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Dennis Stockert) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.150549.17580@cs.tulane.edu>, newcomb@pops.navo.navy.mil (Don Newcomb) writes...
>>I was given the name of Tom von Deak, with NASA, as a contact for
>>satellite data telemetry. His phone number was given as a (216) 433-XXXX
>>number, which should be at NASA Lewis Research Center, but they didn't
>Odd .. my NASA Lewis phone book has Tom Von Deak  at 216-433-3277.
>Tom was out when I called, but his voice mail answered with his recorded 
>greeting just fine.  With a little research I could probably come up with 
>his e-mail address.

OK, thanks everyone. I got both his phone and email. No more help needed.

--
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Naval Oceanographic Office       * author. Mention of commercial products or *
Stennis Space Center, MS 39522   * organizations constitutes no endorsement. *
newcomb@navo.navy.mil            * Phone (601) 688-5998
From: dansmith@Autodesk.COM (Daniel Louis Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
Subject: Gina Meno (Novato, CA / Phoenix, AZ)
Date: 11 Jan 93 07:02:18 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA


	Trying to find an old friend I know from Novato about
10 years ago.  It's Dan from the old Super Skates shop!

					Daniel Smith
					c/o Autodesk
					2320 Marinship Way
					Sausalito, CA 94965
-- 
 dansmith@autodesk.com       daniel@world.std.com       dansmith@well.sf.ca.us
        Daniel Smith, Autodesk, Sausalito, California, (415) 332-2344 x 2580
From: BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Stephanie Edelmann)
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
Subject: Michael Ridder
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:34:04 GMT
Organization: University of Kentucky

I am looking for Michael Ridder.  He probably lives in Mannheim,
West Germany and might have an e-mail account either at the
University Mannheim or somewhere with heidelberg University.
Anybody have any idea?  Please e-mail
 
Stephanie
biosee@ukcc.uky.edu
Newsgroups: soc.net-people,bit.listserv.lawsch-l
From: shedevil@leland.Stanford.EDU (Anne P. Mitchell, JD)
Subject: University of Denver
Reply-To: shedevil@gw.home.vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell, J.D.)
Organization: Fathers Rights & Equality Exchange
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 04:24:18 GMT

Does anyone know the domain for the university of denver in general,
and/or the law school in particular?


Newsgroups: soc.net-people
From: pkteagarden@bobcat.lmc.edu (Phil Teagarden)
Subject: NET AVAILABILITY
Organization: Lees-McRae College, Banner Elk, NC
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:58:29 GMT

I've a friend who has a pc at home and wants to know how he can get access 
to the NET.  He also lives near a very large Southern University, if that 
would be any help.  What is his best option?

Newsgroups: soc.net-people
From: colette@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Colette Marine)
Subject: Vincent D. Marine, SanJose area (my father)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 04:30:52 GMT


Looking for my father, with whom I lost contact about 10 years ago.
His name is Vincent David Marine.  He is about 5'6" (if I remember
correctly), probably mostly grey, 43 years old, Mexican, round of
belly (sorry, dad).

Last known residence was in the San Jose area.  He used to work
for Memorex but that was ages ago.  He's a very talented cartoonist,
amateur photographer and competent guitar player.

He remarried to a woman named Sandi, and has (had?) 3 step-children --
Robert, Linda and Lisa.  Robert went into the military and Lisa may
very well be in college somewhere in California right now.

He has a brother, Arturo (Artie), and a sister Eulalia (Lali).  His
mother is still alive, as well, but I don't know her name.  She was
always just Grandma Marine.

Please, if you know this man or know of him, let me know how to 
contact him.  Or, at the very least, tell him how to contact me.
Thanks for any help you can offer.

Colette D. (Diane) Marine
Institute for the Learning Sciences
1890 Maple Avenue
Evanston, Illinois  60201

Directory Assistance has my number.

--
Colette D. Marine             |cdm@nwu.edu
Inst.for the Learning Sciences|or
Northwestern University       |marine@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu
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Newsgroups: soc.net-people
From: libove@libove.alf.dec.com (Jay Vassos-Libove)
Subject: Nyssa Tussing
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Atlanta Customer Support Center
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 14:56:41 GMT

I am curious about the whereabout of a friend from high school,
Nyssa Tussing.  We attended Staples High School in Westport, CT
together until graduation in 1986.  I believe that she attended
Duke University, though I could be wrong.  Please send information
about her to me, if you know her, or give her my e-mail address
libove@alf.dec.com or phone number (404) 343-1211.

Thanks!
--

Jay Vassos-Libove                  libove@alf.dec.com
Digital Equipment Corporation      decwrl!alf.dec.com!libove
Atlanta Customer Support Center    Opinions? They're mine, mine, all mine!
Alpharetta, Georgia                and D.E.C. Can't have 'em!
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
From: shedevil@leland.Stanford.EDU (Anne P. Mitchell, JD)
Subject: Richard Gardner/Columbia Pres. Hosp. NYC?
Reply-To: shedevil@gw.home.vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell, J.D.)
Organization: Fathers Rights & Equality Exchange
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 16:45:27 GMT


Does anyone know if I can reach Dr. Richard Gardner who practices out of
Columbia Pres. Med. Center in NYC via the net?

Thanks!



Newsgroups: soc.net-people
From: BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Stephanie Edelmann)
Subject: Sabine Sohns
Organization: University of Kentucky
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:45:49 GMT

Hi there,
I am trying to find out what happened to a friend of mine, Sabine Sohns.
She last lived in Tuebingen, Germany.  I don't know if she still lives there
or not.  She was planing on moving to Jordan (?) a couple of years ago.
Does anybody know?  Please e-mail
 
Thanks, Stephanie
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
From: sjsobol@wariat.org (Steven J. Sobol)
Subject: Re: Looking for Tom von Deak of NASA
Organization: APK Public Access Unix * Cleveland, OH
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:29:08 GMT

Don Newcomb (newcomb@pops.navo.navy.mil) wrote:
: I was given the name of Tom von Deak, with NASA, as a contact for
: satellite data telemetry. His phone number was given as a (216) 433-XXXX
: number, which should be at NASA Lewis Research Center, but they didn't
: know him. The phone operator at Lewis didn't have a listing for him
: either. I'm trying "tvondeak@nasamail" and checked the usenet name list
: on pit-manager. Does anyone know him or have any suggestions?

Internet mail may be addressed to user@lerc.nasa.gov. There are probably
several hosts under the domain "lerc.nasa.gov", but it can't hurt to try
that address...


: --
: Donald R. Newcomb                * Views expressed are strictly those of the *
: Naval Oceanographic Office       * author. Mention of commercial products or *
: Stennis Space Center, MS 39522   * organizations constitutes no endorsement. *
: newcomb@navo.navy.mil            * Phone (601) 688-5998  
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From: crp5754@erfsys06.ca.boeing.com (chris payne)
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
Subject: Address for CCA corporation.
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:22:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boeing Electromagnetics & RF Systems, Seattle, WA, USA


I'm looking for an email address for the CCA corporation based in Washington
D.C. (or the surrounding area).  It's kind of a long shot since most of their
work is in M204 on some ancient machine (IBN? IDM? IBM? yeah, thats it, IBM).
Maybe someone out there works in the same building as them and could walk down 
the hall and tell them that you got *mail on your computer* for them. That
should cook their minds.
                          
              > >         Aloha,
         >      > >         Chris P. crp5754@erfsys01.boeing.com
     >        >   >>        
>             >    >      "Guidance counseler says "Your scores are anti-heroic"
               >           Computer recommends: "Hard-drinking Calypso Poet"
                  >        Studied life at sea, studied life in bars
                       >   I never past my SATs so I thought I'd study extra hard."
Newsgroups: soc.net-people