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From: ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:45:34 GMT
Reply-To: ded@aplcen (nod sivad)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

>   The rule that gets me most annoyed, probably because it's often used, is the
>"ground can't cause a fumble" rule.  SO WHAT if the ground causes the fumble? 
>As long as both his knees have yet to touch the ground, it's the ball carier's
>job to hold onto th' blasted thing!  

This is what happens when people learn football rules from sports
announcers.  There is no such rule.  The ground *can* cause a fumble.
Ignore the announcers.  They're idiots.

But you already knew that, didn't you?

For safety reasons, the play ends as soon as the ball is dead.  What
happens afterward is irrelevant (such as the ball bouncing out of the
ball carrier's hands).  As soon as the carrier is down (two knees, a
knee and an elbow, flattened like a pancake, etc.), at that instant the play 
is over and no fumble can occur.  If the carrier carries the ball in one hand,
stumbles, tries to right himself with the ball, and loses it...by
gosh, the ground has just caused a fumble.

					me
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: BUCKLEY SIGNS!!!
Originator: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:39:54 GMT

    As the title says, Terrell Buckley signed a contract yesterday. Of course
    it was with the Atlanta Braves. He supposedly will report to the Winter
    Instructional League from Sept. 15 to Oct. 31. The bonus is said to be in
    the 10-20K range, a far cry from 2.something bonus GB is offering. Buckley
    obviously wasn't an economics major at FSU. Of course, thinking about FSU's
    storied academic history, maybe he was an econ major.

    In the news clip I saw Buckley was talking about hitting a dinger for the
    Braves in game seven of the 1994 (about) World Series. He swings the bat
    at an imaginary pitch and runs around the room making crowd noises and
    giving high fives to everyone. The guy has really irritated me, but I gotta
    admit, he cracks me up.

    In other Packer news, Mike Tomczak has signed. I guess you could call it
    part two of the *bad* news. I just have no faith in T-zak. It's a two-year
    deal for $1.6mil. Although T-zak is a very good backup, I'd rather see
    Detmer get a shot. If Majik goes down, I'd rather see what Favre or Detmer
    has to offer. They're a part of the GB future, while T-zak (hopefully) 
    isn't.

    Recently signed Ken Ruettgers apparently came into camp in great shape
    and will see some playing time against the Rams. Not a moment too soon I
    might add. There was also a great clip of him responding to a reporter's
    querie (sp?) about his holdout. Ruettgers said (as he was walking away 
    from the reporter) "Just take everything I've said the last two years
    after holdouts. Go back to your notes. It's not my fault if you don't
    have your notes." Hmmmmm...well it looked funnier on the news last night.

    --salty

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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 12 AUG 92 09:44:55    

In article <seWElVi00WDKA5rKZP@andrew.cmu.edu>, Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes...

>Well, after the ABC team making a point of letting everybody know that
>IR has been done away with, I for one can say I am really not looking
>forward to this season's calls. After, what, 4 years? of replay and the
>refs getting lazier and lazier about actually making calls correctly and
>decisively, I have a feeling we're going to be treated to a feast of bad
>calls this season, but I have to admit it'll be fun to have the ol'
>"human error" part of the game back again--of course, now it's gonna be
>a lot easier to start those "they paid off the refs" rumors again...! :D
> 
>anybody else have any thoughts on this?

Let's all make a pact to not be as annoying as Dan Dierdorf and not 
say, not even *think*, "If we had replay that play would have been 
overturned and TEAM_X woulda won."

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu

"If there's something wrong with the computer, it's sophisticated diagnostics 
will notify you of the situation by assuming an appearance that, for the most
part, is dark and lifeless." - The Adventures of Lone Wolf Scientific
From: darrellc@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Darrell Callis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dolphins ( was: Re: Buffalo Bills )
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:38:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpspdla.29710087
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA

The Jets the best in the league??? Come on everyone knows the 49ers are
the best in the league, okay, I'll listen to some Skins fans but the
Jets...Be serious.
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From: kirchner@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Robert Kirchner)
Subject: Saints tickets?
Originator: kirchner@hphalle2f.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:42:36 GMT


Could anybody tell me, where to get tickets for New Orleans Saints games in the
Superdome (Box Office, Ticketmaster, ...)? 
How many weeks in advance of the playing date are tickets available for purchase?
Which tickets would you recommend?

Thanks,
        Robert
-- 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Robert Kirchner                         kirchner@informatik.tu-muenchen.de
  Technical University Munich
  Bavaria, Germany
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From: killer@joker.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:48:49 GMT

In <1992Aug13.233141.21988@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall) writes:

>>SINGLE worst rule the NFL currently has.
>To me the most irrational rule is the one that awards the ball to the
>defense when the ball is fumbled forward into and out of the end zone.
>I'm not sure what the *RIGHT* thing to do here is, but automatically
>awarding it to the defense is a leap with a rationale that escapes me.

Just remember that you can score a touchdown with a fumble into the end
zone.  If you want to remove this as well (easily done - already in
effect in NCAA on fourth down), THEN you can award the ball to the
offense at the spot it was fumbled.

And besides, fumble into and out of the end zone is a fumble forward,
right?  The rule states that if a fumble goes out of bounds forward
from the spot of the fumble the ball is next spotted at the spot
of the fumble, not where it went out of bounds.  So what you want
is that a loose ball should be dead when it hits the end zone?
--
* I teleported home one night; With Ron and Sid and Meg                   *
* Ron stole Meggie's heart away; And I got Sidney's leg.                  *
* -- Douglas Adams, HHGTG                                                 *
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From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins - Rypien Finally Signed!
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 19:19:03 GMT

In article <auwen.713626924@convex.convex.com> auwen@convex.com (John David Auwen) writes:
>In <23517@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>>Rypien's
>>1991 base salary was $1.25 million.
>
>For some reason, I thought he made a lot less than that.  I thought I heard
>stuff like how great of a deal the Redskins were getting, etc.
>
This is correct.  It was a one-year deal signed after a brief holdout
last year.  At the time it was considered a gamble.  If he didn't
perform, he had no contract and no marketable stats.  If he did great,
he be in the cat-bird seat as far as being one of the highest paid
quarterbacks in the league, which he now is.  Before 1991, he made
less than $1 million per year, but I can't remember exactly how much.
Even at $1.25 million, he was only the 14th or so highest paid
quarterback in the league last year, so I'd say that Jack Kent Cooke
got a pretty good deal.

schalene

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From: broger@bnr.ca (Roger Balakrishnan)
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer and other Heisman winners
Reply-To: broger@bnr.ca (Roger Balakrishnan)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 23:10:42 GMT

Oops I meant Qadri Ismail  1992 ...


roger
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From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
Subject: Re: Dallas Cowboys Q & A
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:07:01 GMT

>I think that Garrett might get the nod over Kupp also.  I don't 
>remember how much I've seen of Craig, but what I saw of Garrett
>was not bad.  I don't like the way he holds the ball up around
>his head when he starts his throwing motion, but he appears to
>have some leadership qualities and confidence.  Kupp looks like
>a confused teenager on the sidelines sometimes.  But, like I said,
>I don't remember seeing much of him in games.
>I still wonder whether JJ is considering going with only 2 QBs to
>start the season?
>
I would think he would go into the season with 2 QB's considering the
2 QB's that he has.  I have ALWAYS felt that great teams always have
room for 3 QB's, and it seemed that they always did.  However, right
now the number of players that Dallas needs to bring along with
potential is very large, and that extra roster spot could mean a
future starter is not cut.  Until recently I waffled back and said
that the Boys should keep only 2 QB's in order to protect the
additional talent.

Then it struck me, the reason why Garrett or Kupp (or someone else)
must be the #3.  After this year, SB will have enough experience in
the NFL to qualify for any and all forms of free agency that will come
out of the NFL trial.  That means (and going along with what he has
said publicly) that he will leave the Cowboys next year for ANY NFL
team where he can start if Aikman is still #1.  I don't believe any
amount of money will keep him in Dallas.  In that case, Dallas needs a
#3 QB to give them a backup with experience in the offense.  Hopefully
I will  stick with this position when it comes down to cutting a
valueable and favorite player in favor of keeping Garret or Kupp...

*ice*
From: jawebb@hydra.unm.edu (James Webb)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: 1991 Rushing
Date: 21 Aug 92 04:48:07 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


	1991 NFL Rushing

	Yards
NFC:	1563	Emmitt Smith, Dallas
AFC:	1407	Thurman Thomas, Buffalo

	Yards, Game
NFC:	 220	Barry Sanders, Detroit (23 attempts, 4 TD)
AFC:	 165	Thurman Thomas, Buffalo (25 attempts, TD)

	Longest
NFC:	  75	Emmitt Smith, Dallas, TD
AFC:	  78	Kenneth Davis, Buffalo, TD

	Attempts
NFC:	 365	Emmitt Smith, Dallas
AFC:	 288	Thurman Thomas, Buffalo

	Attempts, Game
NFC:	  35	Heath Sherman, Philadelphia
AFC:	  35	Barry Word, Kansas City

	Yards per Attempt
NFC:	 4.9	Thurman Thomas, Buffalo
AFC:	 4.7	Terry Allen, Minnesota

	Touchdowns
NFC:	  16	Barry Sanders, Detroit
AFC:	  11	Brad Baxter, Jets
From: chf0@newshost.gte.com (Curtis Fennell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Buckley wants to be traded ??
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:24:09 GMT
Reply-To: chf0@gte.com
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA

I read in the Boston Globe today that Terrell Buckley has stated that
he wants to be traded because the Packers aren't going to pay him
enough money.  Now, having lived through all of the Miami signing
"noise" this summer, I already know how much stock to place in these
rumblings (ie, not much), but if Buckley is serious, I know a South
Florida team who'd *love* to have him!!

Imagine - Buckley and Vincent at cornerback for the Dolphins!  I think
he'd be worth next year's number one and a couple of veterans....

Yes, yes, I know it's a fantasy.....   But what's football at this
time of year but a bunch of fantasies?!  8-)

-- 
Curt "I always pick the Dolphins - even against Buffalo!"  Fennell
			DOLFAN in New England.             
'72 Dolphins - The perfect team in the perfect season - 17-0
Organization: University Relations - Diane, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:08:32 -0400 
From: Todd Harris Fletcher <tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Steelers injury

Gary Jones was the starting Strong Safety due to holdouts by Thomas
Everett and Carnell Lake.  Jones blew out his knee and will be out for
the entire season.  Look for the Steelers to become much more aggressive
in signing those guys.

Todd
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From: baxter@donald.cs.umn.edu (Stephenson Thomas)
Subject: Fantasy Football Roster Help Needed (part 1/2)
Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities ACM
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 05:39:29 GMT

I am in need of help for a couple of teams I have for fantasy football
this season.  Any help/info you could give me on who to play, who is 
out for the season, or who is on a different team would be greatly 
appreciated. Thanks.

TEAM 1
------
QUARTERBACKS - Marino/Dolphins
	       Harbaugh/Bears    

No real controversy here.  Marino looks like my man, of course, especially since I also have Clayton as one of my receivers.  Is Harbaugh still the
Bears' starter though? 

RUNNING BACKS - Walker/Philadelphia
		White/Oilers
		Hilliard/Saints
		Johnson/Cardinals
		Carter/49ers
		Russell/Patriots

Looks to me like Walker and White are my guys for sure, Unsure about Hilliard,
Carter,Johnson,and Russell,however.  Are these guys still playing for the
same teams?

WIDE RECEIVERS - Clayton/Miami
		 Turner/Saints
		 Stone/Steelers
		 Slaughter/Cleveland
		 Fryar/New England
		 Lewis/San Diego
		 Waddle/Bears
		 Jordan/Vikings (TE)

This is where my main problem is.  Obviously I play Clayton because of
Marino as my QB.  Waddle and Jordan probably won't be played,unless there
is in injury.  What about Turner,Stone,Slaughter,and Fryar?

KICKER - Lohmiller/Washington

No problem here. :)

DEFENSE - Philadelphia 

It's a defense.  who cares.

As you can see, I haven't followed football as closely as most, however
I think I ended up with a pretty decent team for having 6th pick in the
draft.  Heck, I got Lorenzo White in the 11th round!!  Post number 2 to
follow.
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From: auwen@convex.com (John David Auwen)
Subject: Ken Norton signs with the Cowboys
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:43:23 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Ken Norton is now signed.  That leaves Tony Tolbert as the only defensive
player not signed.   Jerry Jones has told the coaches to plan on playing
the Skins with who they've got right now.  He said that he didn't want 
to mislead anyone about the chances of additional signings anytime soon.

Dave
auwen@convex.com
From: glenn@quark.umd.edu (Glenn VanderWoude)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Trade Rumors
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:22:25 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <ELM.92Aug13130609@joyride.berkeley.edu> elm@cs.berkeley.edu writes:
ward 
>In article <qRb-t6+@engin.umich.edu> Fil Sapienza <Fil.Sapienza@med.umich.edu> writes:
>=>How about Andre Ware of Detroit for Desmond Howard of Washington?
>=>Would the Redskins go for it?  Granted, Ware still has a lot to prove,
>=>but his main problems are largely confidence related, not athletic
>=>ability.   
>
>Not a chance!  The Redskins like Cary Conklin, and Rypien is now
>signed.  Why trade a potential NFL superstar (Howard) for someone who
>has shown he's not that great (Ware).

Why indeed?

Most likely because the original poster is a Detroit (Michigan) fan
noticably attached to the University of Michigan (see address) who 
longs for his beloved Heisman trophy winner back :-) Not for any benefit
to the Redskins.  Can't say that I blame him, though.  If Howard ever
signs, it should turn out to be a good pick for the Skins.  Even if he
dosen't pan out the way expected, it's rare for a team to get a chance at
a guy like this after such a good year.  There were some good C-Backs
out there, but with D Green, and AJ Johnson healthy and Mayhew (who
I think is decent, and very good for a 3rd corner) Howard was worth the
shot. 

--Glenn VDW
glenn@quark.umd.edu
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Are the Bears 2 players away from the Super Bowl?
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:18:25 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Aug19.142844.23686@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> robertd@ecs.comm.mot.com (Robert Day) writes:
>his surgically repaired knee yesterday.  The Bears also have a rookie 
>(John Brown III ?) who is supposedly pretty fast.  I agree about the 
>need for speed though.


He is pretty fast. Brown is from Houston and ran a sub 10.3 100 meters there.
He didn't catch a ton of balls though(~30-40 a year) and was only the 3rd
or 4th best receiver on the team, but the run and shoot isn't really a
vertical throw deep offense so he might do better in the NFL(if Harbaugh
is good enough to get him the ball).




Russ Smith
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From: martens@laurel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer and other Heisman winners
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:42:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science

In article <Aug19.162521.27235@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> bokenko@CS.ColoState.EDU (jeffrey scot bokenko) writes:

>I would like a list of Heisman trophy winners and the teams they play on.
>Only active players would be nice.  All I can think of is the following:

>     Desmond Howard      Washington  (??????)
>     Hershel Walker      Philadelphia
>     Marcus Allen        Raiders
>     Ron Brown           Raiders
>     Ty Detmer           ????????

Detmer's currently in Green Bay.

Vinnie Testaverde won the Heisman I think.
-- 
"Take out the work 'Quayle' and insert the word 'Bush' wherever it
appears, and that's the crap I took for eight years.  Wimp.
Sycophant.  Lap dog.  Poop.  Lightweight.  Boob.  Squirrel.  Asshole.
George Bush."        -- George Herbert Walker Bush.
From: andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: holdouts
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:13:47 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: andy@misha.central.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: misha.central.sun.com

In article 1894@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu, ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad) writes:
>>Draft choices are a different story.  If Desmond Howard were to sit out,  
>>he would
>>go back into the draft next year.  Sitting out again would make him a free 
>>agent.  No team wants to lose the 6th player in the draft.
>
>But the Redskins could trade him any time up until draft day, couldn't they?
>Haven't there been cases where teams couldn't sign a draft pick for an
>entire year, then traded the player so the pick wouldn't go totally to waste?

Yes,  St. Louis (now Pheonix) did that with Kelly Stoupher (sp) & traded him
to Seattle before the draft.  However,  the receiving team MUST sign the
player before the draft or the player reenters the draft.   Tampa Bay fans
remember some bball player named Bo Jackson who the Bucs spent the first
choice in the draft on & could not sign.  Al Davis got him for a 6th (?)
round pick one year later.


---
Andy Knipp  SE                |
Sun Microsystems              | The secret of success is sincerity,
Schaumburg, IL                | once you can fake that,  you have it made.
andy@sunbird.central.sun.com  |
From: groy@ursp04.csb
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Draft
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:45:36 GMT
Reply-To: groy@ursp04.csb
Organization: National Security Agency

Hey guys, who are the probable 1st rounders for the
next year's Nfl draft. ( if there is one ) 
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From: martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: "classic" Patriots
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:17:27 GMT

In article <rlcarr.052c@animato.network23.com> rlcarr@animato.network23.com (Rich Carreiro) writes:

>I'm trying to remember the makeup of the '76-'78 Patriots, who were a damned
>good team, but could never get it all together, and were screwed by Ben Dreith
>the one time they did...

Darn, I wish I had access to OCR.  Anyhow, the '79 "Green Bay
Packer Year Book" has a veteran roster for the Patriots (as well
as every other team).  This should largely reflect the makeup of
the '78 Pats, though it will also include some free agent pickups
that may or may not have made the team in '79, and it may not
include players who retired or otherwise left NE between '78 and
'79. 

>QBs: Steve Grogan (14), ????

Matt Cavanaugh (12), Tom Owen (17)


>RB: Andrew Johnson (32), Sam Cunningham (33), Don Calhoun (44)
					  ^--(39)

Horace Ivory (23), James McAlister (37)


>K: John Smith (1)

David Posey (9)


>P:

Mike Patrick (2), Jerrel Wilson (4)


>WR: Stanley Morgan (86), Darryl Stingley (??), ???

Harold Jackson (29), Carlos Pennywell (88), Don Westbrook (83)


>TE: Russ Francis (81), Don Hasselbeck (80)

>C: "Dr." Bill Lenkitas(sp?) (67)

Pete Brock (58), Bill Lenkaitis


>OL: Leon Grey (74?), John Hannah (73), ???, ???
		^--70

Sam Adams (61), Bob Cryder (75), Terry Falcon (68), Shelby Jordan
(74), Bob McKay (66)


>DL: Ray Hamilton (72?), Julius Adams (85?), ???, ???
		   ^--71 		^---yup

Richard Bishop (64), Greg Boyd (65) [I think Boyd ended his career
in GB], Pete Cusick (76), Ernie Holmes (63), Mel Lunsford (72),
Tony McGee (78), Greg Schaum (76)


>LB: Steve Nelson (56), ???, ???, ???
		   ^--57

Ray Costict (55), Sam Hunt (50), Steve King (52), Jim Romaniszyn
(53), Rod Shoate (56), Steve Zabel (54)


>DB: Raymond Clayborn (26), Mike Haynes (40), Tim Fox (48), ???, ???

Doug Beaudoin (27), Sidney Brown (21), Dick Conn (22), Prentice
McCray (34)



Some '78 stats:

Rushing:  Sam Cunningham 199-768; Horace Ivory 141-693.

Passing:  Steve Grogan 181-362-2824-15; Tom Owen 15-26-182-0.

Receiving:  Russ Francis 39-453; Harold Jackson 37-743.

Scoring: Horace Ivory 11tds, 66pts; Dave Posey 11FGs, 29PATs,
62pts.
-- 
"Take out the work 'Quayle' and insert the word 'Bush' wherever it
appears, and that's the crap I took for eight years.  Wimp.
Sycophant.  Lap dog.  Poop.  Lightweight.  Boob.  Squirrel.  Asshole.
George Bush."        -- George Herbert Walker Bush.
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