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From: jkh2001@andy.bgsu.edu  ()
Subject: Another Request
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:32:52 GMT

Everybody,
			I need a favor.  I am trying desperately to track down an original copy
ofv the song "Sleepwalk(er?)" by Santo and Johnny.  I have tried several
local record stores, one of which tried to order me a copy, but failed.  If
anyone has a copy of this song or knows where I can get one, I would
greatly appreiciate it.  Thanks in advance.

																												Jeremy

"Castles made of sand melt into the sea eventually." - Hendrix
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:47:00 ZONE
From:         Steve Rife <STEV@MCO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Mexican music

     There are some excellant classical guitar pieces written by
Mexican composers.  There are recordings of these by both John Williams
and Andres Segovia.  Segovia's is called I believe "The guitar music of
Ponce" (which is mostly Ponce music),  Williams has one that is called
something like "Mexican Guitar"

Steve Rife
(STEV@MCO)
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 11:34:00 CST
From:         AD81095@UDLAPVMS.BITNET
Subject:      VINYL Records

     I'd like to give my opinion about this vinyl situation. Some years ago, if
   someone who really care for sound buyed a record and this sounded like krish-
   krash, he would be upset. Now we have the CD's which give us all the sound th
   at we
once wanted, but its not good for everyone.
    Here in Mexico most of the supermarkets and few private stores had alraedy
changed to CD's. But the prices of one CD is high, so the companies had decied
to continue the production of vinyl reccords but a lower level. Most of the
mexican population don't have the access these records.

     But I rather have a Cd, with its great sound.
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:14:12 EDT
From:         WK7@CORNELLC.BITNET
Subject:      classical training,improv,heart

I think some of you guys are unduly trashing people who started out with
classical training. 1st of all, I don't know where anyone has the right
to say that they don't have heart. I do agree that classical training is
too rigid, and can deter musicians from branching out and experimenting.

Maybe I was blessed by only getting so far with my classical training.
I am only a mediocre pianist by classical standards, but I did study
theory,1st as a kid in a music school, and then in college I took 4
semesters of theory, ear training, etc. Still I was mediocre, being only
a 'general music major', and never hobnobbed with the elite performance
majors.

I did it all so I could understand how to make my own music, and to learn
how to improvise. Now I occasionally bring out the old classical pieces,
or ragtime stuff, but mostly I play blues, or strange eliptical modal type
stuff, and I love using parallel 5ths, 4ths, 3rds, etc in alot of my im-
provising. In fact my blues playing is usually remarked upon as a hybrid
because I disregard normal key structures and, staying mostly within the
key I don't hesitate to throw in suspensions, 9ths, 11ths, 13ths, etc, but
I really don't think of them that way. I think of them as 'color' notes
which I hope change and enrich the normal blues or rock patterns.

Besides perfecting these styles, and also still playing classical for the
sheer fun (and challenge) of it, I intend to try to expand further into
the jazz world. I feel that modern jazz, at least as it was taught to me
in one course I took, has similarly strangling structures and rules. So
what I intend to do is the same as I did with classical - try to learn how
those guys sound like they do - what are the standard riffs like, rhythms,
etc, and then take off again. And whatever it turns out to be, it's gonna
have all the heart I can muster.

So I guess my point is don't make blanket statements about any group or
type of musicians. Everyone comes to music by different routes. We notice
different road signs along the way, which we ignore or follow, or re-invent.
My classical training helps me alot in playing blues or other original music.
I use it as a reference point, as a tool, to make getting where my mind
wanders an easier path.

                                                     ... walt ...
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:31:22 +1000
From:         "(Mark Andrew Hawling)" <chuck@CS.UNSW.OZ.AU>
Subject:      Re: SRV

Can you send a copy to Australia if I send postal coupons or whatever
else so as to not rip you off! Us SRV fans are a bit isolated
down here.

So if we can work something out please reply.

thanks

Mark
From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
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Date: 8 Oct 1992 09:56:29 GMT
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  ... because occasionally someone buys something I talk about!  ;)

>>  In that case, Rev. Bob "Bob," I guess you're the one to ask the following
>>question: Are (Bill) Bruford's _Feels Good To Me_ and _One of a Kind_ to be
>>considered progressive rock, or jazz-rock (ala the dreaded "f" word)?  I

>Beats me.  Sorry that I never heard them.  Thanks to you, though,
>they're on my list.

  Good man. I suggest _One of a Kind_ first, btw. I think Caroline Records 
is distributing them now, but they're on E'G. Noteworthy has them at a great
price (under $12, I think). Didn't Mr. Megaphone buy one of these recently?
  Speaking of Noteworthy... has anyone here tried out the ROEG software?
A co-worker just got his the other day, but I haven't seen it in action yet.
Man, places like Noteworthy are a real lifesaver for those of us in the
sticks!  
  Thanks for listening.

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 08:54:08 +0000
From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: discussions on all forms of music?

Leonard about sampling, in reply to my metaphore:

>>        Sorry, I can't agree. No flames meant, but I don't think the blame
>>must be put on the technological means. This would more or less mean that
>>a man should be jailed because, since he's a male, there are some chances
>>that he may rape someone. Unfair, I think.

>I don't understand what you mean here

        I meant that the technology in itself is not bad, it's the use you
make it which makes it either fair or unfair. More, since we are dealing
with a black box which is able to emulate natural sound and not with things
*really* potentially dangerous (e.g. nuclear weapons), I think the point is
even more truthful :)...

And then about Peter Gabriel's fourth album:

>I found that album not to my liking i'm not a synth type of person and
>what i heard of that album irritated me, but that's just because it's
>not my cup-of-tea

        No problem, this is only a matter of taste and musical inclination.
I respect this position.

>Jimi Henderix was experimenting with this type of stuff years ago putting
>a speaker in water..creating raindrops...etc. We all know the sounds he
>created were unique and revolutionary, but he did it without the use of
>today's tech and did it better IMHO than anyone has thus far

        I admire Hendrix to the extreme, for the very same reason why you
do. But the point was different, here. The question was about sampling,
meant as an electronic technique, and why it should be outlawed. But, as
you say:

>Maybe i don't understand sampling, i thought it was the process of getting
>a sound and using it in a different context for example: I think i've
>read that John Bohnam's drums have been sampled and used on a lot of tunes
>well IMHO that's stealing, and there may be some creativity involved, but
>it is not something a musician should do........L.W.

        And here the two rivers finally join! I completely agree with you.
This is what I call "unfair use" of sampling. But it's *not* the only pos-
sible use. I personally refuse to admit that this kind of operation involves
any creativity. It's more or less the same creativity required to bake a
turkey in the oven at the right temperature!
        The other side, which I'm fond of, is to use this technique to create
new sounds which, as an old advertisement said, "wouldn't exist otherwise".
There are subtle and powerful techniques related to sampling, which allow you
to do this without stealing anything to anyone.
        This is not the place to go into details, anyway I agree with you:
sampling entire sections of songs and re-use them is something one should
never do. Absolutely.

        Have a nice day!
        Ciao, Marco
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:30:23 PDT
From:         Mike Masuda <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      U2

I just recently picked up "The Fly" ep by U2, and listened to the track,
"Alex descends into HELL for a BOTTLE of MILK"--pretty cool stuff.
Pretty artful.  It starts with a synth wash with choirboys singing
a simple tune, and then it turns into a big drum bashing groove
that makes you wanna goose-step around the room.

I thought it was neat-o.

MIke Masuda.
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:20:06 CDT
From:         Dave Hall <USTS060@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Irish music/religion
              9 Oct 1992 10:28:45 CDT from <HEROY%LSUVM.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU>

     You know it's kinda funny.  When I saw Sinead's act I was so stunned
I wasn't sure how to react.  One doesn't expect such blatant examples of
dissatisfaction and political outspokeness on TV.  (It's kinda ironic
because at its conception SNL was itself a very political show).  Like
the Rev. Bob my first reaction was embarassment.  Now I question that
embarassment.  Why should I be?  I mean, no matter what my feelings on the
subject why should I be embarrassed?  I should actually be thrilled that
someone has the balls to actually get up on national TV and express their
own view point.  Our own embarassment at the excercise of free speech is
in and of itself really scary.  Perhaps we have become way to complacent.
Perhaps we need more Sineads (regardless of their views and why they do these
things) to shake us out of our comfortable little lives.
     If you think about it artists who use their media to make a point or
express their views are really few and far between.  U2 started as a political
band, but have since given up on that (Political bands don't make much money,
just look at Elvis Costello).  Even Bob Dylan's latest work seems to lack
it's earlier power and voice.  What's happening here?  Why has speaking
out become such a major deal?  And why do we chastise people who do?

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Rev. Dave Hall               |  "We are all born mad. Some remain so."
usts060@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu   |          -- Samuel Beckett
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:59:32 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      DebUT ABLUMS

After reading about Boston's (or SCholz's) debut album, it got me
to thinking the Boston album was certianly a classic. I'm like to
know other debut albums that were impressive to all ya'll.
The ALLMAN BROS BAND first album was one i liked alot Whats some
of yours...Van HAlen's was also impressive from a guitar standpoint IMHO.
..........L.rnu-onW.
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: London Composers Orchestra
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:20:23 GMT

The "Subsets and Interactions" portion was last night.  There were four
sets, I was only able to attend 3, the third ending at midnight.  It
mostly consisted of solos, duets or small groups, often by artists who
play together as a group.  Tonight is the full orchestra, at
Northwestern University.

All I can say, the three sets I saw were very exciting, and there wasn't
a lame group the whole night.  Evan Parker played a soprano solo on a
kaleidoscopic circular breathed drone, and it got quite a rousing
response.  He also played in his trio with Barry Guy and Paul Lytton.
That was absolutely fierce, with Parker on tenor. Herb Robertson was
sitting in on trumpet, playing a duet with one of the trumpet players
from the orchestra.  He will be playing tonight.  There was a low brass
quartet of tuba and three trombones, a solo piano.  A very good solo
trombonist with some hilarious theatrics with his horn.  Barre Phillips
and other combinations which I would have to check my program for the personnel.

Everything was focused and taking care of business.  Obviously this
London group is at an advanced and refined stage of their art.

They are touring North America, thanks in part to the British Consulate.  
I guess they got clout to get Evan Parker a visa ;)  They were in
Vancover before, and I know they are playing (or played) at
Victoriaville.  If they come near you, don't miss.

Jeff



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Date:         Sun, 11 Oct 1992 16:40:00 EDT
From:         "alt.wasted.time" <TIFFANYDE@URVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Indigo Girls

>I'm glad to see someone recommend the Indigo Girls - I'm not at all familiar
>with them, but my college stations played one of their tunes recently, and
>it got me *very* interested. I didn't have a clue about who it was until the
>DJ back-announced that it was Indigo Girls. Is their recent album (Rites of
>Passage, I presume?) a good place to start? If not, where?

My favorite has always been the self-titled debut album.  Great stuff.
_Rites of Passage_ is a little more experamental then their other albums,
so I don't know if I'd take it as beeing indicative of all their music.
It is great, thogh and not to be passed up.

Also, the Indigo Girls are GREAT live.  I saw them over the summer with
Mathew Sweet and was BLOWN away.  If you have the chance, see them.

later days and sunny rays,
                          D.T>
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 07:13:02 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: discussions on all forms of music?
              16 Oct 1992 08:54:08 +0000 from <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA>

On Fri, 16 Oct 1992 08:54:08 +0000 OUT, OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT... sa
>>Jimi Henderix was experimenting with this type of stuff years ago putting
>>a speaker in water..creating raindrops...etc. We all know the sounds he
>>created were unique and revolutionary, but he did it without the use of
>>today's tech and did it better IMHO than anyone has thus far
>
>        I admire Hendrix to the extreme, for the very same reason why you
>do. But the point was different, here. The question was about sampling,
>meant as an electronic technique, and why it should be outlawed. But, as
>you say:
The point i was making here and it is something i live by muscially, of the
people i admire muscially, i look at what they were doing and they didn't
need that. I believe that if Jimi,Stevie,.....the list goes on,didn't need
gadgets then i don't either. I believ if you know how to play you should
practice by using something like a Fender champ or something similar with
a very clean sound no effecets whatsoever and if you play nice and it sounds
good than you are good without any help from effects. Personally there is
nothing more fulfilling than taking a block of wood with wire on it (guitar)
and creating music with just your fingers,heart and soul if you can do that
IMHO your a real musician. Tech IMHO has set music back if you look at music
that was made years ago i think most people would agree that there was much
more talent, now any fool can sample,midi, drum machine and come up with a
catchy little tune that would probally get airplay, and every time you use
one of the electronic "sound-creators" it's taking the job of a musician
Please don't try to start a big debate here anyone because i'm not
participating .....enjoyed your thoughts and your tact,,,,,L.W.
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Date: 15 Oct 92 11:52:57 GMT
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On Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:35:33 PDT Mike Masuda said:
>before you delete this, read the questions at the bottom...
>
What?!  And spoil all my fun?

>Okay, so I've been a little bizarre lately, making
>schemes and suppositions that nobody (save a handful of
>people) agrees with.
>
>Where are all the people who said they wanted some
>cool conversations about neat new ideas in music?

Wait-a-hold-it.  You mean you can't have cool conversations with those who
don't agree with you?
>
>What are your ideas on the trends in music?
>You MUST have some opinion on that subject, unless
>you just don't care about it.
>
Actually, I don't, very much.  It'll happen when it happens.
>
>Does anyone out there actually play unusual instruments?
>Does anyone out there make unusual instruments?

Depends on your definition of unusual.  I play 4 different sizes of recorders,
of both Renaissance & Baroque construction, tenor crumhorn, and a curious
wooden gadget that emulates a pair of spoons when you knock it against your
knees.  I play *at* my Yamaha keyboard when I'm trying to figure out harmony.
I made the crum this winter past--but it was from a kit; count it either way.

All questions about recording deleted:  I don't do it & know very little about
it.  I might be more interested if someone could tell be about a small, light,
cheap, trouble-free pickup I could mount below the windway of the recorder for
basic amplification & outdoor play.  I presume I could control the volume with
a foot pedal of some kind, since the recorder has next to no dynamic range.
Any cabling would have to leave my hands free to move.

>What kind of speakers and amps do you use to listen to music?

I use a Nikko receiver and Boston Acoustics A-70 speakers.  Simple, inexpensive
& I've never needed/had the slightest desire to upgrade the equipment.

>What kind of music did you listen to as a young child?

Uhhhh--various Disney cartoon characters, Liberace, "My Baby Loves Western
Movies", the soundtrack to "The Lone Ranger", Connie Francis & Teresa Brewer,
various German beer drinking songs, and later on, several dozen 40's-50's
musicals the soundtracks of which I had memorized at one point.

>What is the "sound" YOU are looking for in music today?
>
Acoustic, melodic, with interesting rhythm changes & percussion, fusing early,
folk, and contemporary music.  What you'd get if you brought some jive-ass
players from 400 years ago to the now & and let them listen for a bit, or,
contrariwise, brought some good players from today back 400 years & let them
listen a bit.  Of course, that's only one sound I'm looking for. . . and not
necessarily *my* sound, which is under construction au moment actuel.
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:56:33 -0400
From:         jkh2001@ANDY.BGSU.EDU
Subject:      Re: DebUT ABLUMS

>After reading about Boston's (or SCholz's) debut album, it got me
>to thinking the Boston album was certianly a classic. I'm like to
>know other debut albums that were impressive to all ya'll.
>The ALLMAN BROS BAND first album was one i liked alot Whats some
>of yours...Van HAlen's was also impressive from a guitar standpoint IMHO.
>..........L.rnu-onW.

Also speaking from a guitar standpoint, Hendrix's first album was certainly
a classic.

                                Jeremy

"Castles made of sand melt into the sea eventually" - Hendrix
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:06:06 -0400
From:         "(Russ Gelinas)" <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Theory and improvisation (was RE: perfumed ambience)

>At the risk of sounding like Lenny Ray, I think there's an attitude to
>jazz improvisation that you absorb subliminally, by constant playing, and maybe
>to some extent by "living the life."

That may be applicable to all styles of music, maybe all styles of -whatever-.

>is the number of quotes and allusions they cram into some of their solos. Tiny
>bits of Mingus, Monk, Ellington, and probably hordes of earlier people that I
>don't have the experience to recognize cascade through their work. This is in
>some sense a purely intellectual exercise-- "Look what I know!" But in another
>way it's a tribute, like saying "Not only were these the people I've learned

I do it more often just for the pure enjoyment of playing favorite licks,
without any thought of musical heritage or intellectual exercise.

>Well, I know there are improvisers who claim they enter a kind of trance state
>whereby they become a vehicle and "the spirits" play through them. I don't buy

The Dead say they sometimes get to a point in their jams where "the music plays
them", ie. they are just a vehicle for the music.  I think that's true to a
degree, the sum of the musicians moves the music in a way well beyond what
one or two of them could improvise.  It's happened (too rarely) in bands I've
been in.  It's a very cool experience.   Very addictive too.

Russ
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:03:42 -0400
From:         jkh2001@ANDY.BGSU.EDU
Subject:      Re: U2 played here last night

>U2 played in town last night and got a full page write-up in the paper
>a full page, damn their not the beatles. I don't understand, I'm not
>knocking U2 (I don't care for them though), but damn we've had acts
>that deserve more attention that U2. Just my HO. BTW everyone i've
>talked to that went said it was very good.

I would have to agree with you that this does seem like a little too much
attention.  Here at Bowling Green, we have "the #1" college newspaper in
the country.  In the last few years, the Violent Femmes and 10,000 Maniacs
have played here with little or no coverage.  While neither band IMHO is as
popular, both shows were excellent and certainly deserved more attention
than they got.  I guess you just have to be "big", eh?

                                Jeremy
"Castles made of sand melt into the sea eventually" - Hendrix