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From: carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: CEREBUS: M&D 10 (spoilers)
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:10:33 GMT
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School

In article <Bt7IBt.FBt@world.std.com>, Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay) writes:
> dml@athena.mit.edu (David M LaMacchia) writes:
> 
> [...]
>>Ok, he does refer to the figure with Oscar's features (the panel showing
>>only his mouth and chin) as Oscar, but the other panel with a figure
>>(showing eye and mouth, I believe) looked like a worn down Oscar (maybe)
>>from his time in prison.  That's all I was referring to.  Do we have a 
>>definite knowledge of how much time has passed between Jaka's Story and
>>the present, btw?  I think the timeline that was sent to the net didn't
>>have a definite date (I don't have my copy handy).
> 
> Ha!  Maybe this will finally silence the heretical "One-Oscar" school!
> Bwah-hah-hah!  :-)
> 
> As writer of the Timeline, I should field your question.  There isn't a
> definitive figure on the amount of time from the end of Jaka's Story to
> the end of Melmoth.  From internal evidence, I postulated that Melmoth took 
> place over about two weeks.  However, issue 160, page 7 does prove rather
> problematic.  Po refers *twice* to Posey's capture as taking place "weeks"
> ago.  Since Posey was captured as Oscar(2) was going into his final
> decline, this would seem (at first) to have been only a few days ago (remember
> that less than a full day has transpired in m&d so far).  The only consistent
> answer I can see is that these "weeks" passed in between Oscar(2)'s funeral
> (issue 149) and Cerebus' "rebirth in blood" in issue 150.  While it doesn't
> fit as nicely *artistically* as saying that 150 comes right after 149, it
> agrees best with the facts that we've got.
> 

Also, we don't really know how much time is passing (or in which direction it's
passing in) while Cerebus is in the Ninth Sphere. We know that he can see the
(possible) future from the Eighth, who's to say what we're working with here.

> [...]
>>You're right: this would follow the Cirinist's past behavior (shown in
>>Jaka's Story).  I thought it was funny: remember, Oscar of Jaka's Story
>>never *really* saw Cerebus (only one of the like-alooks of Julius).  That
>>they should for some reason be friends in prison I found highly coincidential.
> 

This gives me hope that someday they finally will. I vaguely remembering Sim
saying in an Amazing Heroes Preview Special that Oscar and Cerebus would hit it
off tremendously: Cerebus would tell vulgar jokes and Oscar would love it.

(Of course, knowing how good Cerebus is at telling jokes... "Iest renegotiating
her loan payments" indeed.)

-----
Douglass Barre -- carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu
"Don't mess with people who've been dead." -- Rhynwa of Arawn
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: DC's plans
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 22:42:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I sat in on the DC panel.  About half an hour of it was spent showing a
slideshow of DC's titles for next year.  With very little time spent on
each slide!  Yes, DC really is doubling the number of titles it's
offering, and turning every viable title it carries into a constellation
of four or five titles.  There will also be a large number of mini-series.

The odd aspect of this grab for shelf space is that they aren't being
at all shy about cancelling titles.  Earlier they cancelled such titles
as Suicide Squad, Hawk and Dove, and Dr Fate -- in various sense of the
word 'cancel'.  Rumor has it that GL: Mosaic and JSA have already gotten
the axe.

My interpretation is that DC is hoping to avoid the otherwise inevitable
implosion by pumping a large number of titles out, but only keeping those
that show early promise.  After all, a steady stream of new titles and
mini-series is at least as effective as a smaller stable of old faithfuls
in taking up shelf space.  It also offers more scope for trying new ideas
and new people -- with the catch that a title has to take off or sink
almost immediately.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
 Are full of passionate intensity." -- W.B. Yeats


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From: bjm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Bobbie J. Mann)
Subject: Re: Joyous Day??(was Re: DC Shakeup??)
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 05:57:18 GMT

Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>>
>Has anyone heard rumors or confirmation thereof that six DC editors
>have jumped ship and headed to Darkhorse?  Mike Eury is almost certainly
>not working at DC anymore, anyone know what he is doing?
>>

>oh please someone tell me this is true!? if "Editor Boy" is gone then DC
>might actually put a *real* editor on LSH!! Of course, the way things
>are going, they'll probably put Jonathan Peterson on it....ugh. [one
>could only hope that Peterson would be among those who defected....I
>don't think Dark Horse would have any use for someone of his "talents"]

Actually, Peterson did quit DC...while at the Con.  Seems he's going to write
a book with the Image gang.

Roland

>--Vernon.
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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Dan Elmoe)
Subject: Re: LSH Massacre
Organization: The Democrats' Best Hope in '96
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:33:59 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnalo.fnal.gov
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Aug18.162332.26605@pbhyc.PacBell.COM>, djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes) writes:
> . . . anyway, I'd guess that Giffen going and T&MB staying would likely be
> a Good Thing.

	You heard it here first:  if Giffen and Eury are truly gone, I will
pick up the book again and give the Bierbaums something like five issues to
redeem themselves.
-- 
"Here we find a thriving city:  Brand new buildings, a bustling economy.  A    
scenic thoroughfare winds through this happy municipality.  Here, a farmer     
drives his livestock to market.  Tragically, this serene metropolis lie        
directly beneath THE HOOVER DAM."                                              
--Calvin at play                                                               
  
elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov)
From: rkelly@carina.unm.edu (Robert Kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Two Ways to *Really* Help Comics (was: Popularity in Comics)
Keywords: splunge!
Date: 22 Aug 92 04:44:53 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Freidmen writes:

>As for artistic merit, it's *obvious* that both artists have talent.

	(Both implying McFarlane and Leifeld)

This is as far as I read.  McFarlane draws pretty pictures, I'll 
grant you but after seeing Doom Force and then attempting to draw
(imitate) Leifelds style myself, the man(boy) is nothing.

Really!  His shit is EASY to imitate.

Image comics is just that -- IMAGE, with no substance.  Much
like Malibu has always been.


Robert Kelly
rkelly@triton.unm.edu
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From: hoahosth@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (ANDREA HOSTH)
Subject: Re: 2000AD  RULES
Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University 
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:23:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.005345.19840@cs.uow.edu.au> u9044140@cs.uow.edu.au (Scot Joseph Wilson) writes:
>From: u9044140@cs.uow.edu.au (Scot Joseph Wilson)
>Ok dudes, what's ya fave character and series in 2000AD?

Anderson - Psi Division.

Ankh
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From: dml@athena.mit.edu (David M LaMacchia)
Subject: Re: News from San Diego
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:07:02 GMT

In article <Bsz6xA.MM0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dbasinge@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Mike Basinger) writes:
>
>I recently heard that DC is finalizing the deal to get Grimjack.
>Perhaps John O. can join in the Vertigo, and keep owner ship of
>Grimjack.
>
>Mike

When I last posted info I heard about GrimJack I was unaware about DC's
plans for a Vertigo line.  However, everything I heard about John O.
and GrimJack in relation to future involvement with DC hints that, if
what I hear is true, GrimJack would be part of the Vertigo line.

Can someone at the San Diego con get more information about this (Jerry?
anyone else?)?

Anyone there will probably dodge answering questions but it's worth a shot.

--dave
From: pierrot@milton.u.washington.edu (The Pierrot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LSH: New version number wanted
Summary: Kid Quantum died for YOUR sins
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:59:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug20.035906.24749
Organization: The People Who Brought You BEEEEEEER MILKSHAKES!

In article <1992Aug19.064928.14831@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.183218.4705@news.nd.edu> mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes:
>>	3.21 Lightning Lad retcon (issue 45)
>
>Um, I don't think this was much of a retcon, at least compared to such things
>as Validus's origin, Laurel Kent/Manhunter, and a host of minor retcons stuck
    ^^^^^^^^~^^^^^^^
>through the Levitz era....

	THIS is a retcon?  How ya figure?  I wouldn't really consider 
	finally establishing an origin for a character who never really
	had an one before a retcon.

	Retcon or no, I thought it was fairly elegant.  Father's
	electrical powers + mother's mental powers = "brain bolts."
	Wish I'd thought of that.

	"When I was your age, Timmy, retcons in LSH made sense ... "

 Michael J Montoure / pierrot@milton.u.washington.edu / Keeper of Red Dwarf FAQ
     "Dehydration - 34%.  Recollection of previous evening: 2%.  Embarassment  
      factor: 91%!   Advise repair schedule:  Off-line for 36 hours, re-boot  
      startup disk, and replace head.  I've got to stop reading Usenet ... "   
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From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: DC's plans
Organization: Little Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:33:09 GMT

In <1992Aug21.160855.743@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:

> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Dan Elmoe) writes:
> 
>>	Funny you should mention this; I ordered a second-printing black SS tee
>>specifically to give to Neil Gaiman when I finally meet him.  Black is, of
>>course, the only color he wears.

You know, I was going to do this too, but employment ran out before I had a
chance to order one. I have this disturbing image of people thrusting Squiddie
shirts at Gaiman where ever he goes. Just out of curiosity, how many shirts
out there have Neil's name on them?

(Do I get extra special Sandscout points for being the first person to wear
 a Squiddie shirt in Gaiman's presence?)

>Black is not a colour. & colours are allowed *on* the black. Hmm. The guy
>who prompted you to the above statement mentioned Squiddy playing with Death's
>goldfish... I know what their names are. Ner ner |-)

One of the local booksellers told me this story (badly paraphrased):

"Neil Gaiman, wearing the usual colorless clothes*, was in the store buying 
 some books. When he tried to pay by check I asked him for some form of 
 identification. He responded by putting on his dark glasses. 'Ah Mr.
 Gaiman. It's good to see you again,' I said as I accepted his check."

*Black is the absence of color, right?

>>	Tanaqui, has he moved to Minnesota yet?

>Dunno what he's doing. He went off on this signing tour thingy to the States.
>I haven't had the little "I'm back" email yet.

Well, at least I know what state he's really moving too. Neener neener. 
--
 Lance "The Weasel" Smith  | "He which brings no hustle to this game
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  Let him depart; his waivers will be cleared,
  There were Giants in the |  And dollars of contract put into his wallet:
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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Re: [SDCC] Re: BATMAN CARTOON 
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
	<1992Aug19.083741.4117@sdcrsi.cray.com>
	<1992Aug19.175431.3995@midway.uchicago.edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:41:36 GMT

>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:54:31 GMT, ttak@ellis.uchicago.edu (toki  takeuchi) said:

ttak> This sounds interesting.  Is Batman aimed at kids or everyone?"

It will be aimed at a more mature audience.

ttak> Is Batman going to be in his original gray and blue suit or the
ttak> movie suit?  

Blue and Grays

Is this going to be based on the movies?

No. More on the comics.

ttak> So its September 5,6, what time?

September 7th at 4:30 EST
--
                        Scott Streeter
                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
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From: hachiman@milton.u.washington.edu (Matt Downer)
Subject: Re: Magnus #0 Variants
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:39:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.150857.25389@bnr.ca> rutled@bnr.ca writes:
>
>I've seen references to two different  versions of Magnus, Robot Fighter
>#0:  The send-in version and the in-store version.
>
>What's the difference?  How do you tell them apart.

	The send away version should have a special Magnus card drawn by
Barry Windsor-Smith.   The retail version doesn't.


>I didn't  think  Magnus #0 was  available  for  retail  purchase  in any
>stores, I didn't see any up here in my area.

	Ditto here, I haven't seen any copies in stores either (just in my 
mailbox).  I think the retail version was given to stores who ordered Magnus
or Valiant comics or something, in large quantities (like in the hundreds).


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From: brackney@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Larry J Brackney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Other Comics Like Tick and Ambush Bug
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:36:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Aug14.170911.20326@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>As an owner of all the Tick appearances save one, and many Ambush Bug 
>appearances, I agree about Fish Police #1-26.  The sequel, Fish Schticks, isn't
>as good without the "hook" of Gill being replaced by his author.  I would also 
>recommend wholeheartedly _Flaming Carrot_. Is good.
>     Dave Van Domelen, evil umpire

   What about D.R. and Quinch?  Their "Guide to Life" should be required
reading!

   - larry

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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: LSH #34, cont.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 21:03:59 GMT

Y'know, looking at the cover of #34 I could almost see the great art from 
Starman and Hero Alliance that Jason did.  Maybe the all-splash-page #38 will 
be worth reading for the art.  I'm curious as to what Pearson's contribution 
was to the script, but the writing seems to have gotten better...still not as 
good as #1-12, but not as bad as the "Cham loses his brain" issue last month.  
I also liked Darios's aquatic metaphors, as well as Pinnacle Command's "calm 
acceptance of defeat" (Oh, rrrrrroott....).
     I'm *sure* Leland MacCauley wouldn't be doing something as unethical as 
tapping Omnicom use...he's *such* a fine upstanding citizen! (Smell that? 
That's turnips.)
     I think that Universo was intentionally hamming it up for the Circler, 
since a: he was certain of being able to get rid of that baldish punk anyway, 
and b: he has a very low opinion of circle freak ability to tell when they are 
being lied to (evidenced by the mere fact they believe in the Circle).
     Dominators have gotta be filterfeeders...even if they tilted their head 
back as far as possible, their jaws wouldn't open enough to admit solid food.  
Recall that originally they had just little filterhole circles instead of 
mouths, and the teeth came later.
     The worst part of the issue was the middle of the page with Luorno 2.0 and
Jan 2.0, with those obscenely large EYES!  ACK!  Even Dirk's return on the last
page didn't gross me out as much as those hideously deformed eyes did.  This 
isn't manga, after all.  She looks like she stepped out of one of those "waif" 
paintings. *gag*
     Well, the Timber Wolf add-on convinced me to not even pick up the first 
issue.  I like Brin, but this werewolf clad in Liefeld tights and sporting an 
"involuntary savage side" is not Brin.  It's a cheap attempt to cash in on the 
Wolverine/Archangel/etc trend.  Even tho I like the artist, I refuse to buy 
this refuse.
     Dave Van Domelen, doesn't think much of the clever little pun in the 
preview box for issue #38
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From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Subject: Re: CEREBUS: Chess subtleties
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:48:54 GMT

Yes, but could a Go game at the same pace as this chess game (~1-2 moves
per issue) actually fit into a 300 issue series :-)

Alexx

Alexx@world.std.com
"Oh no! It is der Amerikansher SUICIDE SQUID!"		-- JK
From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Biz quitting Lobo?
Date: 21 Aug 92 08:53:45 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

nudd@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Nai Ying Kwok) writes:

>Jed Bowtell (jed@matilda.vut.edu.au) wrote:
>: birmingh@fnala.fnal.gov (Phillip J. Birmingham) writes:
>: 
>: >In article <bjm1.714116326@Ra.MsState.Edu>, bjm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Bobbie J. Mann) writes:
>: >> I believe he was..."relieved" of these duties...due to "inappropriate"
>: >> artwork.
>: 
>: >         Criminy, what do they think *is* appropriate for Lobo? I will not
>: >    buy any Lobo that is not done by Bisley. Never. No "Blazing Chain of
>: >    Love" (although I *do* like the Brereton cover) and no "Lobo's Back" if
>: >    Bisley didn't do it. Bisley has this "over-the-top" style that really
>: >    works for this kinda stuff.
>: 
>: Thats sort of my view. Bisley is THE Lobo artist just as MacFarlane is THE
>: spiderman artist. I may get the rest of Lobo's Back because when I get a
>: mini-series I like to get the whole thing. Unless the first issue is really
>: bad, which Lobo's Back wasn't.
>: 
>: Jed

>The thing is, you guys haven't seen the stuff "The Biz" is really
>capable of. Compared with Slaine and JDvBatman, Lobo is crap (badly
>drawn 5 minute scribbles). Bisley is at his best when fully painting
>stories.

Excuse me! I haven't seen Slaine and JDvBatman! You wouldn't
want to make any assumptions now would you? I have seen both
his Slaine work and JDvBatman. True, this is streaks ahead
of Lobo but as you say, Lobo is just 5 minute scribbles
whereas Slaine and JDvBatman is stuff that takes ages to do.
A question though. A friend of mine (art student) has looked
at Biz's work in JDvBatman and seems to think that it is
done with chalk on black paper. I really doubt this and
think it is simply paint. Could someone tell me the main
mediums Biz uses (JD&Batman in particular). My friend has
actually created the Biz effect using chalk and black
paper.

Jed
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From: tsm@access.digex.com (The Secret Man)
Subject: Re: Sandman, JSA, etc.
Organization: The Quiet Room
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 03:43:33 GMT

arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>There really _isn't_ any difference between the Endless and a super-villain
>gang, from the point of view of someone in the DC universe.  The JSA can't say
>"Morpheus is in a 'mature' comic which is written as mythical instead of
>puncheminnaface, so we'd better not fight him"; that's the only _real_
>difference, and it's irrelevant as far acting in and out of character.

And, as has been noted before, what should really happen is that JSA should
get up and go after this guy who (kinda) offed Hector Hall.  Perhaps they
would ignore MM's comments about this being foolish.  Perhaps he would not go
with them; perhaps he *would* go with them, because someone had to plead their
ignorance when they got their asses kicked.  Perhaps he would even go to find
out *why* L'zoril (I believe that's the name by which he was identified) did
away with Hector.

First... given that Morpheus comes and goes from our "real" world pretty much
as he pleases, and *not* by taking the bus, the JSA pretty much have to go and
confront him on his home ground.

Second... can you imagine their difficulties in *getting* to where this "guy"
comes from?  Somehow I can imagine how Dr. Fate's going to react when they say
they're going to fight this "villian" Morpheus, and need a lift getting where
he comes from.

Third... actually, their passage through the Dreaming could actually provide
a lot of amusement...

and Lastly, as someone else noted, since their "defeat" at Dream's hands is
a forgone conclusion (given that any other result would probably interfere
unduly with Gaiman's control of his characters), perhaps the writers just
aren't feeling up to going through the motions on this one.  Done with style,
it could be interesting and funny, but it wouldn't advance anyone's plots, or
serve *any* purpose but to clean up a tiny continuity glitch.




-- 
The Secret Man
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 shot and killed his entire football team today.  Film at eleven."
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From: bart@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bart Gold)
Subject: Re: Best and Worst Villain Names
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 14:47:35 GMT

  Best: The beige hairnet- kind of like green lantern except she was
                           powerless against anything chartreuse.
        The Hatstand-      Not very powerful, but useful when you don't
                           have closet shelves
         RED CHOWDER-   Another classic. Didn't go over very well except in
                         manhattan, where he beat the hell out of the 
		          steel flounder in TICB #26

  Worst:  Mexicorn Man-  He didn't actually have any mexicorn power, he
			just projected powerbolts and liked to eat
			mexicorn.
          The Steve.      Another irrelevant name. Yeah, his secret
			identity was 'steve', but his ability to make
			anyone think his name was 'frank' made it work.
	  Le Vache        This canadian book was stolen by the sidekick
			anyway, a boy named 'le cochon'.


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