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From: mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Mike Suter)
Subject: Re: Experiences with Armor-All
Organization: BITS, St. Louis, MO
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 03:10:18 GMT

csilva@maestro.mitre.org (Carlos Silva) writes:

>Please,
>Let's stop knocking AA until someone has some hard numbers.  I've used AA for years....and I have never had anything bad happen.  Yes, the tires get alittle brown after 2 or 3 years!!!!  I still think it's the best stuff.  I would not trade my AA for any other product.

>So could the whining stop about Fog on the windshield, brown tires, cracking sidewalls.....etc.....  By the way, no product is going to keep your tires clean after it rains three times

>CLEAN YOUR CAR, don't expect to put AA (or any other product) on once a year!!!!!!!

Carlos,

I politely beg to differ :)  In *MY* experience, tires treated with ArmorAll
have developed cracks in the sidewalls over a timespan in which non-AA
treated tires have not.  Thats all the proof I need.

And while no product may last a year, silicone-based products FAR outlast
ArmorAll.  I used to use ArmorAll religiously, but got sick of having to
re-apply it after EVERY storm.  The silicone-based products usually
last WELL over a month, no matter how much it rains, if applied properly.

mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
From: n8846069@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Barry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Are all Americans Stupid ??
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:04:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Apr16.220423.2606
Organization: Western Washington University

shantanu@poseidon.oakhill.uucp (Shantanu Ganguly) writes:

>In article <8dv73bC00Uh784Fc55@andrew.cmu.edu> sh50+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sam Hui) writes:

>    As for drivers education, I had to take a US driving test in order to
>   obtain a PA licence and to be truthful, it was pretty lame. The English
>   driving test is far tougher and you get to drive on a real road with
>   other real drivers and real situations, not in an obstacle course (
>   again, I am quoting from personal experience...this may not be the case

>Since each state has it's own license and driving test, the standards
>tend to vary a lot. The NJ test is pretty lame too, its conducted
>entirely in a parking lot. If you had taken the N.Y. test, you'd have
>to drive on a real road with real traffic and do a real parallel park.
>I've heard that the California driving test is quite extensive too.

Here in Washington State the driving test has no absolutely no
such things as "obstacle courses in parking lots".

You drive on real roads with other drivers.  This usually includes:
allay driving, backing, parallel parking, etc...  (I know quite
a few people who didn't pass the first time through...usually they
missed most of the points on parallel parking.)

I had no idea other states were so lame!

-Barry
From: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Why can't they
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:55:24 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Apr13.200237.8989@CS.ORST.EDU> averys@jasper.cs.orst.edu (Scott Avery) writes:
>I currently drive an 82 Rx-7 and really love it.  It's light and
>nimble and has enough power to have lots of fun in, but it has
>110,000 miles on it and has little rattles here and there, but
>there are no real problems.
>
>What I would like is a new car, about the same weight, with a little
>more power, say 130-150HP. 

   So put a 13B engine in your RX-7.  

   110K?  Just getting broke in good....
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mperlman@isis.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: Re: Are all Americans Stupid???
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 16:12:20 GMT

peterco@eff.org (Peter A. Cohen) writes:

>In article  Adrian T Kerr, kerrat@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk writes:

>>Well where do I start?

>Well, Adrian, we Yanks aren't perfect, but at least we drive on the
>correct side of the road and put the steering column where God intended
>it to go!   >:-)

>- Peter

Plus: #1 We don't smell.
      #2 We aren't crumpet monkies.
      #3 We don't have a KING or Count!
      #4 We have great woman....


If I wanted to go really fast...I'd just get in my plane.... AND FOR SOMEONE
WHO PAYS A SHIT LOAD FOR GAS..YOU SHOULD WATCH IT MR. KERR (OR IS IT MS.)



cc: Peter A. Cohen
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Arafats plane went down becuase he didn't put his meal tray up!!!!!!!!!
From: sheriffp@Software.Mitel.COM (Peter Sheriff)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: How to park a manual
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:57:18 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.


    I park my manual in a bookcase in my family room :-)
From: tfarmer@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Farmer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: <<< Mustang Powered Miata >>>
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:27:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: datamark.1992Apr07.212757.23964
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <1992Mar20.173436.12287@eff.org> Peter A. Cohen <peterco@eff.org> writes:
>
>
>In article  P. J. Remner, aj923@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes:
>
>>THAT IS 2 "l"s!!! What, you want Caroll to have ANOTHER heart transplant?
>
>I could be wrong, but I think it's Carroll Shelby.

Two "l"s???

Carol Shellby looks wrong somehow... :-)


ObAuto : Have any US car manufacturers ever made Right-Hand drive cars in any
numbers? Is it possible to buy US cars in any other countries except
for Mexico, Canada, USA and a few other similar ones?

I note that it is probably possible to buy a Toyota anywhere in the
world...

-- 
Thomas Farmer      | tfarmer@cavebbs.gen.nz | I need an apartment!
Datamark Intl Ltd  | tfarmer@datamark.co.nz | +64-4-233-8186 (work)
Technical Writer & Dos M/Wrangler           | Love is a warm beagle.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ss@sparkplug.WPI.EDU (Scott N Streeter)
Subject: Re: Cars under $10000 - recomendations?
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:48:23 GMT


>What would be a good car to buy for the first time buyer?
>Something relatively cheap, say, under $10,000US or $12,000CA ?

I would definatly recommend the Acura Integra. You can get an RS for
about 11,000-12,000. I have an '89 LS and I love it.

>   - Reliability for the next four years.
Well the Acura has had nothing but normal service so far. 3 years old.

>   - Fuel Economy.
Not bad. Never figured it out, but I only spend $10 a week on gas.
Drive about 100-150 miles a week. Thats lots of city driving too, and
I tend to stay at the high end of the Tach.

>   - Reasonable performance.
Great performance, and handeling for the money. Also good in the snow.

>   - Parts/repair cost.
Don't know. Only have had normal maintenance. Oh, the muffler had a
hair line crack in it, a few months back, but the dealer replaced it
FREE, since it was a defect.

>   - Lotsa features.
Well the RS model is VERY basic. But all Integras (execpt the new
V-TEC which is $18,000) have the same drive train and suspention. If
you move up to the LS, you will get a 4-speaker stereo, power sunroof,
a little nicer interior, better tires, alloy wheels, and cruise. You
will be getting up to the $13,000-$14,000 range though. You could get 
the RS and haggle a good stereo, and such.

>Any comments from the following choices?
>   - Hyundai Elantra.
>   - Hyundai Excel.

Consumer Reports, rated the reliablity of the Hyundai's as LOOOWWWW.

>   - Saturn Sedan.(SL1/SL2?)
>   - Toyota Corolla.
>   - Toyota Tercel.

Dont really know about these. The Integra will be the best looking car
out of these chooses though. Though the 2-door Saturn is a very nice
car. Good Luck.

--
                        Scott Streeter
                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
From: tcarter@53cim1.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Tom Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Acura Legend Coupe
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:04:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncrwat.9336
Distribution: na
Organization: NCR Canada Ltd, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada.

Am seriuosly considering the purchase of an Acura Legend coupe of 1987
vintage, (if I can find a good one) and would like the opinions of those folks
here on the net who have owned, or still own one of these beasties. Would like
to hear the good and bad stuff, horror stories etc. Any and all relevant
comments appreciated. 

E-mail please so we dont waste bandwidth.....8-)q

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From: brucer@drutx.ATT.COM (RobinsonB)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: New guy asks about group etiquette, and two cars
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:12:14 GMT
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO

I just bought a 1971 240Z; engine runs well, new clutch,
transmission is as yet an unknown quantity.
Engine staggers a lot when cold, but I think that
might be in the carbs, for which I just bought rebuild kits.
The body is in excellent shape.  The vehicle has a bunch
of minor problems other than that, but nothing a wad of
cash and time won't cure.  I gave the guy at "Smooth Motors"
(can you believe it?) in Boulder $1800 and a 1981 Rabbit diesel
for it.

I also just bought a 1986 Volvo 740 GL (?E?) Turbo
(?with Intercooler?); high miles (109k) but in cosmetically
perfect shape inside and out, some minor electrical issues
(fog lights, one stereo speaker), no history of problems.
This one changed hands for $4900.

Two questions:

    1. Did I get burned?  Any thoughts on these cars?  Anybody
       have back postings in archive they would be willing to email
       to att!drutx!brucer, or phone 303/538-5401?

	2. Would someone email to me some statement of the rec.auto
	   etiquette, and the meaning/intent/content of the sub-groups.

Thanks,

-- 
    66
     >
     ^ .................. the edited "brucer" (DoD #0002)
From: carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Best Dashboard; Most quiet ride; Nominations?
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:58:51 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: granteri@pnet51.orb.mn.org's message of 14 Apr 92 20:25:04 GMT
bcc: carl


>Having a dashboard preference is not a joke, really. Take the Dodge Raider for
>instance, the dash design on it is terrible. Having a radio on the floor like
>that is a hassle. The most ideal location is just above where your arm might
>be if you were shifting with the transmission (auto or manual if it is console
>mounted. The location of the stereo on Pre 1991 Chrysler minivans is also bad.
>Square gauges are nasty as well IMHO, (ie: many old American cars (Mopar in
>particular)). 

Several new cars have (a small subset of the) radio controls on the
steering wheel.  They are particularly well located on the Acura
Legend such that the left thumb can easily turn the volume up/down OR
change stations among the 8 presets.  These are the three controls
that I used 90% of the time.  The radio itself is pretty well placed
too.  The right thumb has controls for the cruise control that work
(for setting, accelerating/declerating, and cancelling) once a "cruise
control button" on the dash has been turned on.

>Some favorite layouts of mine: >1989 Maxima SE (with black/white), Nissan
>300ZX, etc (most of the Nissan's follow the same layout). >1990 Acura Integra,
>MY ALLTIME favorite is the Eclipse/Talon/Laser's.

The Maxima SE is pretty nice and has the cruise control location in
exactly the same location as the Legend (but no radio controls there).
I think that the Maxima has a nice seating position, but not quite as
"cradling" (supportive?) as the Legend.  The Integra isn't bad, but
the car was overall too small for us and it felt like you were sitting
very low.  We didn't even look at the Eclipse/Talon/Laser because of
our requirement for 4 doors.

I sat in the 300ZX but since I wasn't really in the market for sports
car I didn't look at it very critically.  It did feel like a very nice
interior and wasn't nearly as difficult to enter/exit as the Dodge
Stealth.

-Carl-
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From: rroman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Randall Roman)
Subject: Re: The GODs are telling you something (Was: Re: Common electrical problem
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 00:33:55 GMT


    Some people have been complaining about getting electrical
shocks when getting out of their vehicles.  I have the same
problem with my parents' Oldsmobile.  It seems the problem is
from the seats!  When driving the car, my clothes brush against
the seats and pick up a charge.  When I get out, I'm insulated
(tennis shoes) so when I reach for the door, I get shocked
when the charge discharges back to the car.  I have not found
a remedy for this.

************************************************************
Randy Roman
rroman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
                   Jarvis needs Votes!!!
From: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Engine Braking - what causes it?
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:01:54 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <5344@nosc.NOSC.MIL> koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz) writes:
>
>sheesh, Alan Hepburn wrote a lengthy description answering this very question
>recently...  also, don't lose sight of the fact that there is a piston on its
>way from TDC to BDC (providing energy to the system) as another is on its way
>from BDC to TDC (consuming energy during compression)...
>
     If the throttle is closed, the downward moving piston IS NOT
     providing "power" or "energy" to the system other than the tiny
     amount of compressed air left above the piston after the valves
     all close...

     And if you think it even comes close to the amount of energy
     that it takes to compress the air, I suggest you go check a
     physics text on entropy...and stay away from guys in seersucker
     jackets with engines that "run forever".
From: koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Engine Braking - what causes it?
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:52:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego

In article <1992Apr13.043351.4651@posms.cactus.org> rick@posms.cactus.org (Rick Kirchhof) writes:
>I have followed this topic with interest, and would like to suggest an
>angle not mentioned.  While it is true that spark ignition engines have a
>throttle valve and it's angle greatly effects the amount of pumping
>restriction (and engine braking there is on decel, compression ignition 
>engines use much higher compression ratios.  This means that if you try 

ah, but you make the same error that *everyone* else in this discussion, except
the Diesel-drivers make...  while it is true that a fair amount of work is
performed in *compressing* the the cylinder contents, *any* downward travel of
that cylinder's piston will return virtually *all* of the work (to a first
approximation) -- EVEN WITHOUT ANY FUEL BEING BURNED, hence the only
restriction is internal friction in the engine in a Diesel and the attempt to
pump air past a closed throttle plus internal friction in a gasoline engine...

>That said, I haven't seen any mention of the total vehicle weight vs the
>engine displacement.  Truck-tractors have *much* more weight pushing each
>unit of engine displacement on deceleration than do car engines.  This
>tends to wipe out the natural engine braking activity.  Cars with
>compression ignition engines seem to notice the engine braking simply 
>because the engines are so much harder to rotate than the spark ignition 
>ones.  As mentioned by others, the engine braking systems can be very 
>effective on big diesel trucks, and tend to even out the extra weight 
>situation.

hmmmm, still doesn't *really* account for the case of an empty trailer or a
tractor alone...  1000+ cubic inches probably scales quite well to the
'passenger-car' case...  I tend to agree with Alan Hepburn that VW and Mercedes
do *something else* to instill an artificial sensation of engine braking in
their Diesels because there is no physical mechanism that accounts for this in
normal Diesel operation...  a Diesel freewheels, period...

Walt K.







From: donrm@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Don Montgomery)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:13:32 GMT
Subject: Re: photo radar
Organization: HP Network Measurements Div, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

You may have heard of this before, but when Campbell, CA first set up 
their photoradar, they ticketed a resident and sent him a bill stating 
the photoradar fine was $40.  The resident, obviously a little miffed at
being caught by an automatic device, sent the police a picture of $40
cash.  The police in return sent the resident a picture of a pair of
handcuffs.

The resident paid up.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: yee@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jonathan Yee)
Subject: Electric pump oil remover
Organization: The Mad Engineer's Institute
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 21:56:14 GMT

Hi, I recently saw an ad for an electric pump that sucks out the oil from
a car.  The advantages are supposed to be that the whole process is neat
and one doesn't need to slide under the car or turn a wrench..
The way it works is that an inlet tube is put into the dipstick hole, and
the outlet tube is put into some other waste container.  Turn on the pump,
and, there you have it -- in 5 minutes -- a car ready for fresh oil input.
The cost of the gadget is $19.95, mail order.  Anybody with experiences or
comments about it they'd like to post on this, new invention, I think?
From: neff@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Robert Neff)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: American engines oversized,underpowered ?
Summary: Don't forget emissions
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:09:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.skft6INN6bt
Followup-To: neff@diva.berkeley.edu
Organization: /etc/organizaton
NNTP-Posting-Host: diva.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Apr16.145959.21306@cbnewse.cb.att.com> leland@cbnewse.cb.att.com (leland.m.kornhaus) writes:
>In article <1992Apr16.125337.3943@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> kerrat@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Adrian T Kerr) writes:
>>In Britain it is widely believed that American's drive oversized cars with
>>ridiculously huge engines. Since I know that recently the Honda accord (perhaps
>>known as something different in America) was the number 1 selling American
>>car ,and Japanese cars are becoming more popular in America , are engine sizes
>>of typical family saloons getting smaller?
>>
>>I own a Fiat Tipo with a 1.4 litre engine. This is reasonably powered for
>>everyday driving (I've managed an indicated 120mph on a journey to Edinburgh).
>>It is also one of the roomiest cars I've ever traveled in ,able to seat 5 in
>>comfort. The interior decor is nothing to speak of but is pleasant.

It is true that you can get more HP out of an engine than is seen
on the N.A. market, and this is at least partly due to emissions
requirements.  If you slapped on enough emission controls to meet U.S
requirements, your car would not make 120 mph.  (As an example, the
early 80s VW rabbits used engines which were satisfactory in 
Europe, but when they were used in this country they were
dogs, because of the emission controls.

(I've been to Scotland.  The scenery is beautiful.  The cars are
fine as long as you are in them, but the trip made me appreciate 
our emission controls here!)

-- Robert
From: rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Are all Americans Stupid
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:45:02 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Apr16.080114.15130@rulway.LeidenUniv.nl> crisar@rulcvx.LeidenUniv.nl (Anton van Rosmalen) writes:

> No all Americans are not stupid, actually i find their
> driving style extrmely courteous , as a matter of fact
> they are so courteous  its nearly irretating , at intersection
> everybody hesitates and it all becomes it bit messy...

I wouldn't go quite this far. My experience is that alot of American
drivers are either obnoxious, or just plain braindead when it comes to
driving courtesy and knowledge. 

However, the british gentleman who posted originally was out of line
with his comments. The tone of his post gave me the impression that he
was probably as idiotic as the Americans he was chastising.

> I personnaly enjoy driving in France and Italy , people drive fast 
> and perhaps a little to aggressive but they certainly drive well.
> England , well this is another story , simply horrendous.....
> As to other remarks made by the English gentleman about the good
> old US of a , if i was an American i would simply ignore them
> as i think all members of the rec.autos list should, the man is 
> obviously a TWIT.

As much of a twit as I think he is, he did have some valid points
about some American drivers. He was just displaying the arrogance and
contempt that some brits are known for, in pointing those shortcomings
out. Coming from someone like him, who drives on the wrong side of the
road, and probably drives one of those british nightmares that they
call cars, his comments can only be taken lightly.


Mark
From: bep1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (bentz.e.puryear)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Bug deflectors - worth the bother?
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:56:44 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: AT&T

From article <30139@cbmvax.commodore.com>, by dean@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jeff Dean - LSI Test):
> I'm getting a new Explorer, and I'm wondering if bug deflectors do
> anything for a truck/SUV?  I've seen lots of 'em on the road but
> nobody has ever said they were worth the bother.  Any opinions?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> jd
> -- 

I have a clear deflector on the front of my Explorer, it wraps around the 
leading edge of the hood. I needed it more to keep rock chips off the paint
than for bugs. They put gravel down on the roads in winter and this gets
thrown up onto your truck causing cracked windshields and bad paint chips.
Because mine is clear, its hard to see, but you can get them in all colors
if you want. Mine does a good job. It is easy to install. I paid ~$50 for
mine at a Ford Dealer.
-- 
====================================================================
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8300 E. Maplewood Ave.
Englewood, Colorado 80111        POWDER SKIING THE PATH TO SALVATION
From: koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Engine Braking - what causes it?
Date: 14 Apr 92 10:11:56 GMT
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego

In article <7740169@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> rjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Schneider) writes:

>	What do you consider significant output? Richard didn't state if
>	his mothers 300D was turbo or not, but the Mercedes 3l turbo
>	diesel puts out 130HP. That's not that far off of what the
>	Cummins in your truck puts out (160HP, right?). 

actually, I prefer to consider *torque* as the _useful_ output of an engine
rather than horsepower as it is torque that 'does the work'.  I (generally)
begin to consider output significant in the 325 and up lb-ft range...  Anything
I've experienced with less than that approximate cut-off feels under-powered

walt k.
From: k33074s@kaira.hut.fi (Micke Bergman)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: <<< Mustang Powered Miata >>>
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:48:19 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland


From what I've read about the 93 Cobra Mustang it sounds like something
worth waiting for.

_BUT_ What does this have to do with Miata - Mustang powered or not ???

About time to change subject ?
From: carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Best Dashboard; Most quiet ride; Nominations?
Date: 12 Apr 92 18:17:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: butch@wet.UUCP's message of 11 Apr 92 03:06:38 GMT
bcc: carl


While the LS400 is probalby undeniably the quietest car around, for a
good combination of quiet and spirit, check out the Infiniti Q45.

-Carl-
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