HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dxxb@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Barts)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Inflation (of fears, not prices)
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:25:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov10.002542.23406
Distribution: pnw
Organization: University of Washington

monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan ) writes:

>Perhaps with a line-item veto (which Clinton wants), some form of

Oh *goody*.  Concentrate more power in the hands of a single individual.
Just what we need:  a more authoritarian government.  Fortunately, I
don't place much chance in this happening.

Why not move away from single member districting and amend the
Constitution to have Congress elected on a mixed-member proportional
basis?  This way, we'll have a bunch of representatives elected to
represent the nation as a whole, not just a tiny part of the nation.
Such members will therefore have little incentive to plunder the
public coffers for something that benefits only a few people in
their district.

Oh, wait -- I keep forgetting.  One thing the Democrats and
Republicans can always agree upon is that a system that guarantees
the perpetuation of a duopoply that their party is part of is a Good
Thing.

>capital-gains tax rate reduction (which Clinton wants) and an overhaul of

Are you referring to investment tax credits (a step in the right
direction IMO) or has Clinton started pandering to the ideological
Right in this area as well?

>the welfare systems (which clinton wants), some "pork" can be cut, some

Too bad that this "overhaul" seems based more on urban legends of
the welfare system than the actual reality about it.

>spending reduced, and some investments targeted to creating jobs and not
>creating (paper) wealth.  Perhaps.

Well, at least he'll be better than what we had to put up with over
the last dozen years (especially wrt the environment and running
a less corrupt administration), which is why I voted for Slick
Willie despite my reservations about him.  But I'm not going to
get my hopes up too much about anything else.

> [edited]

>No.  Many had their savings in S&L's not protected by the FSLIC, though.
>(and speaking of banks, any guesses how many will be closed after Dec 19?)

I dunno.  It might not happen right after Dec 19, but whenever it
starts happening, its not gonna be pretty.

-- 
David Barts  N5JRN                      UW Civil Engineering, FX-10
davidb@ce.washington.edu                Seattle, WA  98195
	All truth passes through three stages.
	First it is ridiculed.
Newsgroups: pnw.general,seattle.general
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Subject: Sno. Cnty. Apt. Wanted
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Subject: Business Opportunity
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:51:42 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: pnw

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From: donn@brat.wa.com (Donn Pedro)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Wanted: Post election comments on Prop. 9
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:03:37 GMT
Organization: Tandemonium, Kent, WA

In article <1992Nov11.155810.10220@mdd.comm.mot.com> bradley@mdd.comm.mot.com (Michael Bradley) writes:

'reasons' for voting for anti gay laws.

: did not want "vulgar" gay pride parades

They don;'t have to attnend.

: did not want to loose their parks to gays only pairs

No one is asking them to leave.  No gay can make them leave.
Only they have that power over themselves.  It seems that many
people want the government to protect their tender sensabilities.

: did not want to see more AIDS in the area

Never leave that one out -- ever!

: did not want anybody teching their children about "alternate"
:  lifestyles

What is 'normal' and what is 'alternate'?  Who decides?
Who passes judgement?  What is the metric?  Who enforces
and under what moral right?

: did not want to be forced to hire gays

Try these statements:

 did not want to be forced to hire negros
 did not want to be forced to hire women
 did not want to be forced to hire filipinos
 did not want to be forced to hire catholics
 did not want to be forced to hire the handicapped
 did not want to be forced to hire jews
 did not want to be forced to hire amerindians
 did not want to be forced to hire anyone they feel prejudice towards

:Surprising no one really cared who with slept with who. I suspect
:Oregon reasoning was similar.  I guess the conclusion that 
:a little PR by the gay community and some restraint
:would go a long way to defusing this issue. 

Translation:  

I guess that as long as you all stay in the closet, act straight, 
don't even think that your lifestyle is valid enough for children
to know of it's existance, and never, never, ever, march in  a 
parade to celebrate your culture, we'll let you have some rights.




         Donn Pedro ....................a.k.a. donn@brat.wa.com
	
	       "You talk the talk.  Do you walk the walk?"

		    There are no ordinary moments.
From: charlesw@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Charles Wilson)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Wanted: Post election comments on Prop. 9
Keywords: el-mundo-zurdo(Gloria Anzaldua),immediatism,anarchism,queers, feral-humans,freethinkers,[lL]ibertarians,gays-and-other-sex-radicals, strategy,tactics,intelligence,psy-ops,deception,disruption,memetics, screwing-things-up,aikido,entropy,doxies,o
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:55:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: sail.12879
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1799@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:
>
>Any law that sets aside a specific group or groups for special consideration
>that are not afforded the rest of us creates special rights.  Even
>if that law provides special sanctions if ORDINARY rights are denied
>a certain group, by the fact that it gives that group avenues of redress
>unavailable to the rest of us grants that group special rights.
>
I'm all for special rights for homosexuals.  You see, if special rights
are granted to homosexuals we ALL benefit.  It's very simple.  If you 
want to get the same special rights as a homosexual, just say you're
homosexual (even if you're not).  Who's going to question it? It's not
like if you had to be of a certain color, or handicapped, or a veteran
to get the special rights.  People can tell by records or by looking at
you if you fall into one of these categories.  But if you're not homosexual
and you say you are, who's to know?  Bring on the special rights for 
EVERYONE!!
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From: monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan )
Newsgroups: pnw.general,seattle.general
Subject: Re: Wanted: Post election comments on Prop. 9
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:23:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov11.002324.4698
Organization: UW Computing

The following is an analogy.  Please do not flame me.


People should not be overweight.

Being overweight is not healthy.  People who are overweight increase their
chances for high blood pressure, diabetes, strokes, and heart attacks.

People who *choose* to be overwieght live an unhealthy life-style.
As a society, we should not accept this as being normal.

Overweight people should not be in a position to promote their life style.

********

People should not program computers.

Programming computers is not healthy.  People who program computers can
develop carpal-tunnel syndrome and repetitive-motion injuries.

People who *choose* to program computers live an unhealthy life-style.
As a society, we should not accept this as being normal.

People who program conputers should not be in a position to promote their
life style.

********

The preceeding was only an analogy.   Please do not flame me. :) :)
From: monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan )
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: The Election
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:50:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov5.205003.3358
Organization: UW Computing

Consider the source.

Add salt to taste :)
From: kimf@ogicse.ogi.edu (Kim Flowers)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Inflation (of fears, not prices)
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:02:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.45295
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <1992Nov5.172237.16957@u.washington.edu> larryd@stein.u.washington.edu (Larry Desoto) writes:
>monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan ) writes:
>
>>In article <1789@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:
>>>
>>>Well, ya better hang onto yer wallet.  Those making purchases on time
>>>payments, do NOT try to pay it off early - better to pay it off in cheap
>>>dollars, and to hang onto any cash you have, when the inflation starts
>>>spiraling.  
>
>>Do you have any reasoned arguments for this shrill prediction?
>>This is 1992, not 1976, and Bill Clinotn is not Jimmy Carter, and,
>>presumably, energy prices will not triple (as in the 1970's).
>
>Jimmy Carter was ineffectual, but basically a benign and decent man.  Slick
>Willie has demonstrated that he will say or do anything to get (and 
>presumably hold) power.  Maybe those of you that hated Bush so much weren't
>paying attention to what he said he wants to do.  Well, I for one am hoping
>for the best but I also suspect those who voted for change are going to
>get more than they bargained for.  Good luck to us all.  I think we are
>really going to need it.
>
>--
>Larry

Funny, it seemed to me that Bush was the one who would say or do
anything to hold power. Slick Willie was the one who was saying or
doing anything to keep the sh*t from sticking to him. There is a
difference, altho I acknowledge it's not a very large step from one to
the other.

I read in one of those mini-biographies that always come out during
election year that during Willie's first years as governor of Arkansas,
he was a very ambitious, idealistic and straightforward person; he had
a lot of things that he wanted to do as governor of Arkansas and tended
to ride roughshod over people who got in his way. He ticked a lot of
people off and they got him out of office (I don't remember whether it
was other pols or his constituency that he ticked off).

He spent the next few years pondering his mistakes and when he came
back, he was the slippery pol we all see today. (I wonder if he
"learned his lessons" too well?)

Anyway, I don't see any evidence that he's going to be worse than
Reagan or Bush. I'm a little worried about his lack of experience
in the foreign policy area - it would be amusing if he could coopt
Bush or Baker to handle that area :)

K. Flowers
kimf@cse.ogi.edu
From: keithl@klic.rain.com (Keith Lofstrom)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Wanted: Post election comments on Prop. 9
Date: 11 Nov 92 03:08:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: klic.1992Nov11.030813.3274
Organization: Keith Lofstrom Integrated Circuits


Dick Winningstad (dickwin@sequent.com)  writes:

> I am not a Christian fundamentalist. But I voted for Measure 9.

And then gives a pretty good description of why a person would have voted for
this measure.  This was IN RESPONSE to a request for reasons why someone 
should vote for it.

Mark Waggoner, Rick Lindsley, Donald Newell, David Barts, Robert Reed,
John Light, and by now others have responded with tolerant and reasoned
rebuttals; thanks folks ... couldn't have said it better myself!


A couple of other clue-challenged individuals, who I will not name here, 
responded with a parody and with a post containing such gems as:

> Shame on you!  ...  Look, dummy ...  stop bashing ...  so they can spew out
> all the propaganda their shriveled-up little hearts can generate ...  You
> sound like you're saying that you're not one of those yahoos who sponsored
> the bill, and we should not attempt to confuse you with them.  How do you
> suggest we tell you all apart?

Now just WHAT in the hell brought THAT on?  We asked "Why yes on 9", and I
for one am going to NEED to know the reasons people will vote FOR such a
measure so that I can talk to them and hopefully change their minds.  There
aren't going to be many people with as much courage as Dick who will speak
up and let us know what they are thinking - there will be less if the
flamemongers short circuit the process with vituperation.  

Tune your radio up to the Fundamentalist talk radio stations up at the top
end of the AM dial, and listen for a while - the OCA is still strong, and
has not given up.  There will be more ballot measures, and they won't
be as inflammatory next time.  Meaning, they won't blatantly offend most
people, and will have a better chance.  There are a large number of people,
such as Dick, who can vote either way on these future measures.  If we
learn how to talk to these people, one on one, learn their feelings, and
assuage their fears, we can defeat those future OCA measures.  We won't
educate anybody by calling them names or making fun of them. 

Know your enemy!  It is NOT Dick Winningstad, nor is it the vast majority
of the others who voted for 9.  The enemy is misinformation, correctable
preconceptions, and fear of the unknown.  We are fortunate that those
are all things we can do something about.

Keith

-- 
Keith Lofstrom         keithl@klic.rain.com       Voice (503)-520-1993
KLIC --- Keith Lofstrom Integrated Circuits --- "Your Ideas in Silicon"
Design Contracting in Bipolar and CMOS - Analog, Digital, and Power ICs
From: kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Music censorship struck down
Date: 4 Nov 92 18:57:50 GMT
Distribution: pnw
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<

In article <1992Nov2.210550.5033@fnx.uucp> del@fnx.uucp (Dag Erik Lindberg) writes:
>Well it has been several days now since I saw this in the paper, and
>there has been no comment that I have seen.  This was a big issue
>back some months ago when it was all happening.
>
>The 'music censorship' law has been found unconstitutional and struck
>down.  Proponents of the law, when interviewed, did not announce any
>intention to appeal.  The law was struck down because it allowed any
>judge to affect state wide music sales:  1) it did not necessarily
>reflect community standards just because a judge was sympathetic to a
>complaint 2) it was essentially impossible for a music store to be sure
>of compliance with the law.  i.e. there is no way for Tower Records in
>Seattle to insure that it doesn't have any albums on display that have
>been proscribed by a judge in Ellensburg.
>
>-- 
>del AKA Erik Lindberg                             uunet!pilchuck!fnx!del
>                          Who is John Galt?

yaaaay!!! pow!!! take that, nasty music lady from everett!!!
-- 
kurt@grogatch.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum)
 Nostalgic conservatives will soon be referring to the Bush Era as
 "those Halcion days of yesteryear".
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: patti@hosehead.intel.com (Patti Beadles)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Post election comments on Prop. 9
Originator: patti@hosehead
Organization: Intel Corporation, Hillsboro, OR
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:07:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.001354.9471@sequent.com> dickwin@sequent.com (Dick Winningstad) writes:
>Another locally sucessful act is
>the Multnomah Co. order allowing homosexual couples to have spousal
>medical benifits.  [...]
>The question for a lot of people was whether
>to allow the advancement of priveledges by doing nothing or try to
>stop the progression by taking a procative stance.

(I'm going to assume based on your name and your arguments that you
are a heterosexual male.)

Currently, you have the privilege of having spousal medical benefits.
Why shouldn't gay couples in a committed long-term relationship have
the same?

>Getting back to the discrimination matter, there are people that do
>not believe that homosexuality is a moral life style. 

That's true.  There are also people who don't believe that Christianity
is a moral lifestyle, but I've yet to see them try to foist it on anyone
else.  Everyone's morals are different, and I don't believe that the
legal system should be used to validate any particular set of morals.

Tell me ... in what way would you personally be harmed by having gay
and lesbian people covered by nondiscrimination clauses?  In what way
would you personally be harmed by having spousal benefits for gay
couples?  So far as I can tell, granting those rights hurts nobody.
Not granting them hurts a lot of people.
-- 
Patti Beadles  503/696-4358 | I don't speak for Intel, nor vice-versa.
   patti@hosehead.intel.com |
   75555.767@compuserve.com | If it wasn't for the last minute,
or just yell, "Hey, Patti!" |             I'd never get anything done!
From: bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Inflation (of fears, not prices)
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:28:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: dogear.s055TB1w165w
Organization: Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA

mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) writes:

> I don't think the government should be in the banking business.  It's bad
> enough that they are in the money-printing business.
> 
> However, there can be no doubt that the robber barons such as Charles Keating
> belong in the slammer, preferably at hard labor, and their assets confiscated
> to repay those they ripped off (including the US government funds for the bai
> out).
> 
> Keating is a prime example of a slimeball.  Republicrats and Demopublicans
> both fell over each other to kiss Keating's ass.  Cranston & co belong in the
> slammer with him.

How about America's prima astronauta?

--- 
Bob Kirkpatrick <bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us>
Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA
From: howie@voodoo.boeing.com (howie)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Wanted: Post election comments on Prop. 9
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:11:54 GMT
Organization: Boeing Graphics project, Bellevue WA

In article <1992Nov10.003228.24006@u.washington.edu> dxxb@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Barts) writes:


>>>If anyone doubts this, consider for a moment that religion IS a
>>>matter of personal choice.  What would you think of a proposed law
>>>declaring that Christianity is unnatural, immoral, peverse and
>>>wrong, and requiring the schools to teach it as such?
>
>>That is what the public schools teach, if not explicitly then
>>implictly
>
>Really?  And just where is this policy written?
>

He said implicitly. 
        ==========


>Or is this just another example of "Anything less than the Republic of
>Gilead is Anti-Christian?"


Perhaps you should read your signature quote.


>-- 
>David Barts  N5JRN                      UW Civil Engineering, FX-10
>davidb@ce.washington.edu                Seattle, WA  98195
>	All truth passes through three stages.
>	First it is ridiculed.



-- 
				       howie              

				       howie@voodoo.boeing.com
From: meyer@darkwing.uoregon.edu (David M. Meyer 503/346-1747)
Newsgroups: pnw.test
Subject: pnw.test
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:51:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: darkwing.MEYER.92Nov12075114
Distribution: pnw
Organization: University Network Services, University of Oregon, Eugene, OR
	97403
NNTP-Posting-Host: darkwing.uoregon.edu


test
Newsgroups: pnw.test
From: mattb@ssc-vax (Matt Baney)
Subject: Testing 12
Reply-To: mattb@ssc-vax.boeing.com (Matt Baney)
Organization: Boeing Aerospace & Electronics
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 07:07:34 GMT

Another test post from emacs.
Is my .sig there
-- 
|  Matt Baney         | Boeing Defense and Space Division    |
|  -----------------  |   Knowledge Systems Group            |
| "I can't tolerate   | UUCP:        ..!bcstec!ssc-vax!mattb |        
| intolerant people!" | Internet:   mattb@ssc-vax.boeing.com |
Newsgroups: pnw.test
From: news@n7kbt.rain.com (John Opalko)
Subject: Test (imagine that)
Organization: Two strange people in Forest Grove, OR
Distribution: pnw
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:55:20 GMT

This is a test.  Ignore it.
From: spent@milton.u.washington.edu (Spencer mullen)
Newsgroups: pnw.forsale
Subject: Piano for sale
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:29:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov5.172925.17546
Distribution: pnw
Organization: University of Washington

===============================================
Baldwin-Hamilton Studio Upright
15 Years Old
For sale by original owner.
Has had regular tuning and maintainence since purchase.
$1500 o.b.o

please e-mail me with an offer
spent@u.washington.edu
===============================================
From: hsieh1@carson.u.washington.edu (Darrell Kirk)
Newsgroups: pnw.forsale
Subject: Zoom Fax Modem For SAle
Date: 8 Nov 92 02:24:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov8.022459.3801
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

For Sale:

Zoom Fax Modem

Internal

2400/9600          New in box with software        $75.00
Call Darrell at (206)322-3510  for more info
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From: bruces@bcsaic.boeing.com (Bruce Stock)
Newsgroups: pnw.forsale,seattle.forsale
Subject: Dahlquist Speakers For Sale
Keywords: DQ-8, Hi Fidelity
Date: 3 Nov 92 23:02:26 GMT
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle


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Mine are about 18 months old and are in like-new, never abused
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them a listen.

Magnolia's list price is $850, however you can take this pair 
for only $450. (Trades considered: Adcom 545, Rotel CD).

Bruce Stock  325-8364 (Seattle)
From: hsieh1@carson.u.washington.edu (Darrell Kirk)
Newsgroups: pnw.forsale
Subject: Word Perfect For Sale
Date: 10 Nov 92 04:57:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov10.045742.8832
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


For Sale:

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All manuals

Exelent cond.  $75.00 obo, Call Darrell for more info (206)322-3510
From: rabbits@carson.u.washington.edu (Adolf Maas)
Newsgroups: pnw.forsale
Subject: WETSUIT
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:33:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov13.023338.21838
Distribution: pnw
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

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fits person 6', appx 175 lbs
Farmer john style, with attaching jacket
Boots and Hood included
$55,obo

return e-mail
From: spent@milton.u.washington.edu (Spencer mullen)
Newsgroups: pnw.forsale
Subject: piano for sale
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:23:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov13.032310.25645
Distribution: pnw
Organization: University of Washington

===============================================
Baldwin-Hamilton Studio Upright
15 Years Old
For sale by original owner.
Has had regular tuning and maintainence since purchase.
$1500 o.b.o

please e-mail me with an offer
spent@u.washington.edu
===============================================