HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mtl@cs.brown.edu
Subject: Cross Posting.
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:15:44 GMT


> Xref: brunix soc.culture.china:91493 soc.culture.hongkong:31192 soc.culture.taiwan:32823 
> talk.politics.china:3580
> .... 
> From: ....
> Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan,talk.politics.china
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Subject: Guangxi massacre (Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi... )
> Date: ....
> Organization: ....


	I am just wonder why so many people are cross-posting 
	articles in soc.culture.taiwan, soc.culture.china and
	soc.culture.hongkong?
	Does that tell us that the cross-posted articles are so 
	important that everyone should read?

	



	




Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: changhp@engin.umich.edu (Hsiou-Ping Chang)
Subject: Re: Li-Hau Institution
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 14:04:10 EST
Organization: The University of Michigan
Reply-To: echang@engin.umich.edu
Originator: changhp@fijan.engin.umich.edu


In article <C0r3xB.11Fy@austin.ibm.com>, tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee) writes:
> In article <1993Jan12.151405.15127@cs.brown.edu> mtl@cs.brown.edu writes:
> >
> >
> >	Were there a lot of riot police and military police waiting for them
> >
> >	outside the Presidential House?  That is what they usually do if there is
> 
> Becase people of this kind tend to behave well.
 
        According the the Commons News (Ming-chung zi-bao), the demonstrators
hailed stones to the female dorm of NTU Law School and broke windows of
6 dorm rooms. According to the female students, they just hanged anti-hau
slogans outside their dorm and resulted in the attacks. Some demonstrators
even broke in the dorm to seek for the female students allegedly throwing
stones to the demonstrators. But according to the president of The 4th Female
Dorm Student Self-Ruling Body, Ms. Hsieh Ai-chu, it was the demonstrators
throwing stones first. The Dean of NTU Law School, Dai Dong-Hsiung
promised to report the incident to NTU President, Sun Jen.
        Students asked in a proclamation to the school authority that
1. the demonstration sponsor should formally apologize and compensate
   for the property loss;
2. determine the responsibility of police persons who did not respond
   to the complain promptly. Neither did they stop or arrest the
   demonstrators throwing stones;
3. the violence of demonstrators cannot be forgiven by simply claiming
   they "lose rationale temporarily";
4. campus security should not be overlooked.

> 
> >	"fairly."
> >
> 
> Fair enough? You tell me.

	Don't be double standard.
> 
> -- 
>  * The opinions are my own, not IBM's. Take care and have a nice day.        *
>  *                                                                           *
>  *               Ty Lee                                                      * 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: Li-Hau Institution
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:10:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.193116.25719@cbnews.cb.att.com> liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao) writes:
>Friends in Taiwan and overseas,
>
>I learned that there was a demonstration in Taipei on Sunday
>(1/10/93.) The purpose of this demonstration was suprisingly
>"Supporting Li-Hau Institution" (or should I say "Supporting
>Hau as the Premier").
>
>From the video, I saw a crowd of about 5-10 thousand people
>in the demonstration. They went to the President Mansion to
>...

	As much as I oppose Hau to be the Premier (I oppose it right
	from the start), but I do think there are many people
	who support him because he stood firm for what he believed.
	You have to give him credits for his ability either to create
	such an image or having actual leadership.

	He enjoys much support(and opposition) whether one like it or
	not; there is no reason to be surprrised.

Yung-Kao Hsu
  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: Eugene.Liu@launchpad.unc.edu (Eugene Liu)
Subject: Re: email in Taiwan?
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 08:57:49 GMT

In article <C0BBx2.295@news.cso.uiuc.edu> clg1824@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Theresa ) writes:
>Hi, my dear fellow friends in Taiwan
>I would like to know about the situation that people use e-mail in Taiwan.
>I would be appreciated your answer

Almost all universities in Taiwan are linked to Internet now, so I'd say many
people, especially college students, are enjoying e-mail at the moment. :)

:E.Liu
--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:17006 soc.culture.china:34461
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Why mainlanders are so mixed up?
Date: 13 Jan 93 01:17:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1itilpINN8oj@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes...
>
>But only Mr. Lin
>with his work supporting KMT brings trouble to KMT. No doubt there are
>many people over here holding the opinion as KMT, but with Mr. Lin's
>involvement, I believe fewer and fewer people dare to stand up in showing
>their sympathy to KMT.  

I am quite sympathy to KMT lately. KMT, a humble old man, is very confusing 
himself now. It is time for KMT to reform itself. My ideal "new KMT" is like 
the following:

"KMT can accomodate different opinion and comprises all open-minded BSR/WSRs".

>I don't know what happens to KMT, is it so desperate that they can
>tolerate the person as Mr. Lin as its front end in scc. Or might be it
>is KMT's nature which causes its losing China. (We all know that KMT's
>propaganda department before 1949 was a joke) No wonder that DPP becomes
>stronger and stronger. And if Mr. Lin is still hanging on with KMT, then
>KMT's days are countable. Sign.....

I think Steve wants China be better, but I would suggest Steve tone down a 
bit. You just can not constantly remind people how ugly their government is 
(even it is true). Any person with a good temper can get irritated eventually.
From: hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu)
Subject: Re: Chong1 Guang3 broadcast (Was Re: Excellence, Made in Taiwan)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:32:22 GMT

In article <9015@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> npchen@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Nien-Po Chen) writes:
>For those interested in Chong1 Guang3 broadcast,
>
>				
>To receive the programs, you need a SW radio (Short Wave).  SW radios are 
>available in many consumer electronic stores, including Radio Shack and Sears in
>US.
>
>Digital tuning is preferred.  Or, analog tuning with many bands(7 bands or more)
>is OK.
>

It may help if you specify the model.  I bought one and returned it 
the next day.  It just didn't work as well as promised.  If you have one 
that works or you know what will work for sure, I would like to know.  
Thanks.

Eric

Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:16946 soc.culture.tamil:5096 soc.culture.thai:4164
From: chao6@husc11.harvard.edu (James Chao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.thai
Subject: World Model United Nations Conference in Prague
Date: 12 Jan 93 07:32:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan12.023225.19226
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

To all those interested in international relations, politics, and the
United Nations -- WorldMUN is a great forum for the discussion of 
current issues being debated by the United Nations today: 

Harvard World Model United Nations (WorldMUN) is an international
conference that brings together university students and young
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Ten committees, representing the General Assembly, Economic and Social
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issues from the actual UN agenda.  In addition to the formal debate of
resolutions, committee sessions will be augmented by presentations from
politicians, businessmen, scholars, and activists who have helped shape
the dramatic world events of recent years.

In this era of momentous political change, WorldMUN seeks to assess the
role of the United Nations in a new world order.  WorldMUN marks the first
truly international simulated United Nations where participants play the
roles of their own nation's ambassadors.  WorldMUN strives to teach
tomorrow's leaders about the United Nations and its methods of conflict
resolution.  It aims to foster skills in negotiation and debate, in order
that delegates may formulate resolutions on topics currently discussed in
the real United Nations.  These resolutions will be sent to the actual
United Nations committees.

WorldMUN 1993 will take place at the Hotel Diplomat in Prague,
Czechoslovakia.  The Hotel Diplomat is Prague's most modern conference
center.  Prague is both one of the most beautiful metropoles of Europe and
an ideal location for debating current world politics and the changing
role of the United Nations.

The Hotel diplomat is a luxury resort that offers restaurants, shops, a
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includes two meals a day.

Delegate registration is $US60 per delegate.  For more information, please
reply to this e-mail address or write/fax:
Joshua A. Salomon, Secretary-General
Harvard World Model United Nations 1993
Suite 23, 1430 Massachusetts Avenue
Cambridge, MA 02138-3810
UNITED STATES

Telephone:  001-617-493-6995
Fax:  001-617-493-6995

James Chao
chao6@husc.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Subject: Re: Chong1 Guang3 broadcast (Was Re: Excellence, Made in Taiwan)
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:29:55 GMT

In article <C0E0s5.155x@austin.ibm.com> tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.045224.28479@zip.eecs.umich.edu> joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen) writes:
>>
>>(Once I saw people got flamed on a newsgroup for posting commercial
>>advertisement. Geez, hope I won't get flamed.)
>>
>
>Why do you think you can be exempt from flames?

I guess you ask this question because you think I should be flamed.

It is bad practice to post commercial advertisement on the newsgroup
because it's abuse to the public net for one's own benefit. If someone
wants to develop his businesss, he has to pay for the cost of advertisement.

I posted the information because some people asked about it. I didn't
"advertise" for anyone. If nobody needs this information, I wouldn't come
up to say "It's cheap! Welcome to buy..." Also I don't benefit by giving
the information. In other words, my intention is not to "advertise" for
anyone.

If you still feel I shouldn't post the information, may I suggest you
check out comp.ibm.pc.hardware? People post similar information there
all the time when someone needs help.

-- Chien-Chung Chen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: China(was More than 50% support TI)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 05:39:43 GMT

In article <C0Ex0r.JDH@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
Chien-Chung Chen writes:

>>Why not citing them? Shouldn't we learn from history?
>
>Again, can you abandon confusious way of reason.

I assume you meant, "Confucius'."  I am *no* fan of Confucius.  (I am not sure
that I agree with any of the ancient Chinese philosophies, but if I do with
one, then it's Daoism, not Confucianism.)

You can abandon learning from history.  However, with it down the drain goes
precious experience.  This is the reason why China went to the Great Leap
Forward after a similar experience failed miserably in the Soviet Union.  And
this is why the KMT allowed the BSR/WSR thing to persist for so long by giving
WSR special priviledges, not noticing that similar acts in the Jing dynasty,
after it moved to the south of the Huai River, caused it to be very unsettled
within the inside and not capable of re-conquest of the North.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: China(was More than 50% support TI)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 23:38:24 GMT

In article <C0nIAu.1A4@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:

>1. We should not compare Modern North America with ancient China;

And I didn't; I compared ancient China with ancient Europe.

>2. Given the fact that in ancient China, there were so many population, poeple
>with slight common sense
>can deduct that China had rich land,  periodical famines does not
>negate that.(In ancient greece, weak infants had to  be throuw over cliff to
>control population because there was not enough to feed.)

(Where did you get this "ancient Greece" stuff anyway?  But it's off the
topic.)

1.	Even if there's a huge population, that is not a proof that the land
	was fertile.  If it is, then one must say that India and Bangladesh
	have the richest lands of the world.

2.	Second, it's not even true that there were huge populations in ancient
	China.  I am not an expert on this (this is probably my weak points in
	studying Chinese history), but during the Three Kingdoms period, there
	were only 8 million people combined in the three kingdoms (which is
	*very* tiny, indeed, compared with today's population), with about 50%
	of the land size (and >50% of arable land) of today's China.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu)
Subject: About Taiwan
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:29:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.091813.4245@vax.cns.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
>
>	   CCP WANT Taiwan. Regardless of reasons.
>

Finally I have something to agree with this Eric.  I would add:
"... reasons, and many REASONABLE people support this idea."  I
am very sad but I have seen this message in many forms over and 
over in this network in the last few years.

By the way, I changed the subject line because the original one
openly invited a quarter of human population to hate Taiwan.

Eric
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: China(was More than 50% support TI)
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:41:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.020638.4719@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li) writes:
>
>In article <C0B1ns.AI3@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes...
>>
>Even China's grain and meat production ranks #1 in the world. But how many 
>agriculture population in China? I heard it is 80% of population. How many 
>percent of agriculture population in US? My guess is about 10%-20%. If US has 
China now has people living on agriculture much less than 80%. In last decade,
around 100 million peasants employed in rural factories. there were 300
million rural labor force, which mean ROUGHly 1/3 of rural population do not
count as peasants. U.S. have 5% of farmer population(labor only? or their
family too). China has most productive land, U.S. has most productive 
farmer.
From: huangz@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Is TI so rossy?
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:06:24 AET
Organization: University of Central Queensland, Australia

In article <dqb=v+C@engin.umich.edu>, changhp@engin.umich.edu (Hsiou-Ping Chang) writes:
> 
> In article <1993Jan2.233229.13167@topaz.ucq.edu.au>, huangz@topaz.ucq.edu.au writes:
> 
>> 	Worst thing was the possible war lasted several years, or several
>> decades. Yes, even 60% taiwanese could supported TI, but still there were 
>> 40% against it, and surely there would be some percent of people were 
>> determinded to fight to death to protect ROC.
> 	
> 	I'm working on persuading the other 40% to join the 60% in case
> China uses force, so expect a unanimous 100% support for TI in that situation.

	You are saying something that I dream of, but actually never happen
to Chinese. You better remember this rule:
	CHINESE WORK FOR THEIR COMMON INTERESTES, BUT FIGHT FOR THEIR 
DIFFERENT INTERESTES.
	Go far, we can recall the story of Yue4 Fei1 and Qin2 Kuai4. No so
far, during Sino-Japan War in 40's, China has Chiang, Mao, Wang1 Jing1 Wei4,
Chang Xue2 Liang2 --Same bed, different dreams! I always feel shame when I 
learn the history of civil war in late 40's. Woh, millions of army! but 
Where were they during the Sino-Japan War??? It was a shame to loose 20 
millions cicil lives to Japanese, but it would be some kind of proud to 
loose millions of soldiers. Don't argue me that both sides got aids from
US and USSR after WWII, it could not cover the ugly truth.
	One Malaysian friend told me: Chinese in Malay have absolutely 
superior business power, and the population is big enough to have some 
political right. But they just can not hold together, they fight each
other much more often than work together to achieve their common 
interestes. Now Chinese is under discremination. Chinese children must
have higher marks to get into uni's, Chinese must pay more to buy a
same house, etc. 
	The point is: today we are lucky to have relatively steady
political and economical situation to have a chance to work together.
The main Chinese parties, KMT and CCP are becoming mature after long
time growing. But today some people intend to break this peaceful
moment, bring kind of revolutionary mood into the society. They don't
realise the huge uncertainty and risk, like you. History has the rule 
of "locality" too, similar things happen, then happen again. How
do you get so certain that TI will be an exception??? You never
convience me a bit.
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: China(was More than 50% support TI)
Date: 10 Jan 93 18:35:17 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science

In article <1993Jan8.214600.25420@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <C0JI4L.8D@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>
>>China now has people living on agriculture much less than 80%. In last decade,
>>around 100 million peasants employed in rural factories. there were 300
>>million rural labor force, which mean ROUGHly 1/3 of rural population do not
>>count as peasants. U.S. have 5% of farmer population(labor only? or their
>>family too). China has most productive land, U.S. has most productive 
>>farmer.
>
>You continue to evade the question.
>
>If the agricultural production of the United States is due to advanced
>farming technology (as you seem to imply by "U. S. has most productive
>farmer"), then why, when China had the edge in farming technology before the
>time of the Ming Dynasty, did China have a lot of famines?
1. We should not compare Modern North America with ancient China;
2. Given the fact that in ancient China, there were so many population, poeple
with slight common sense
can deduct that China had rich land,  periodical famines does not
negate that.(In ancient greece, weak infants had to  be throuw over cliff to
control population because there was not enough to feed.)

>
>Please don't continue to evade the question and make assertions that you still
>fail to back up.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:16980 soc.culture.china:34434
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Why mainlanders are so mixed up?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 15:25:05 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

In article <ll62v8INN5gq@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.103401.4262@vax.cns.muskingum.edu> jfeng@vax.cns.muskingum.edu writes:
>>In article <1itilpINN8oj@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>>> 
>>> stronger and stronger. And if Mr. Lin is still hanging on with KMT, then
>>> KMT's days are countable. Sign.....
>>>>>                  -----------
>>I agree with you.  If he is not capable of 
>>rational discussions, he'd better stay out of the way.  
>>
>To Pan's unfounded accusation, I have to ignore it as what Pan's ignored TAM.
>Finally I have found the reason why the CCP keeps killing but stays. With people
>having minds as above, the CCP will keep suppressing and killing to eliminate
>the different voices.
>
Well, what a suprise. I think my stuff is for the KMT's benefit only.
How could that becomes an accusation for CCP. Frankly speaking, I'm
worrying about the future of KMT, since it is the sole future leader for
China, (according to several newspapers and some netter's statement). I
got to do something to help it. I even wish that I could have been
recruited by KMT. (It is the future of China) Seems I don't have a
chance. Next time I'll try some other strategy. For example, name any
other people as CCP. I would have been the only one left to be KMT, what
a bright idea.  

BTW, a news clip from WJ (a highly recommended paper by Mr. Lin) That
there will be a high level meeting between KMT and CCP officials in
Shanghai, which is notorious for its pollutiion. (Searching around all
the papers, I can only find out that Taipei is a polluted city. Maybe
I'm too old to see the diffence between Taipei and Shanghai). From this
news, I'm not sure whether the beloved KMT has ignored the TAM or not.
And "with people having minds as above, the CCP will keep suppressing
and killing to eliminate the different voices". What an accurate
discription!

Tingli Pan
From: bw1i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Betty H. Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: news about Korean govt action against Taiwan
Date: 12 Jan 93 02:27:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.AfIfYVy00UhWE17Wsi
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


The South Korean government recently disallowed several ROC offices in
Korea to hang the R.O.C. flag.  I find this to be an outrage in a
supposedly democratic country.  

The ROC government is trying to find ways of retaliating.  I think the
best retaliation is for all of the Chinese people in Korea to choose a
date and hang the ROC flag in protest.  

This post is not in support of the Taiwanese gov't but in support of all
the Chinese people who are proud of being Chinese.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: antonius@anton.ingr.com (new user)
Subject: Re: Taiwan Economic Data Needed 
Keywords: Economic
Reply-To: antonius@anton.b30.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:31:13 GMT



 
>Article 23851 of soc.culture.taiwan:
>From ccoleman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Chuck Coleman)
>Subject: Taiwan Economic Data Needed
>Sender: ccoleman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Chuck Coleman)
>Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA
>Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 13:07:28 CDT

>A friend of mine needs economic data about Taiwan.  In particular, she
>needs foreign trade and investment flows, and financial flows.  Data about
>trade with and investment in China are necessary.  Please reply to 
>kb57@umail.umd.edu.

>Please do not reply to this account.

>Thank you

Since I am in need of the same info, to whomever reply this request,
please be so kind to mail me also at : antonius@anton.b30.ingr.com
Thank you !.

Anton