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From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest)
Subject: Re: Octane?
Organization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:07:10

In article <foo> dwjurkat@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Jurkat) writes:
   Hi, I'm confused on what octane gasoline to get for my 1981 Honda
   CB750 Custom.  How does this affect the idle speed?  Is there
   a difference in accelleration?  How about gas milage (vs. price)?
   Also should I be using leaded gas instead?  What octane?
   I can still get leaded gas at my local gas station and it costs
   about what the mid-range unleaded octane costs.
   Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

   p.s Does it also affect ignition timing?  

Hmm -- all of these are pretty FAQs; maybe they should be in the FAQL?
In fact, Jurkat, if you read one of the other two threads about valve
seats and gas types, you'll discover that you probably don't nead 
leaded gas.

As for gas:  octane rating is *only* good for preventing engine knock.
That's all it does.  Buy the lowest octane rating that doesn't make
your engine knock.  You should get just as much power etc. with any
acceptable grade of gasoline, ceteris paribus.  Remember, though,
that some brands of gasoline are `cleaner' or better formulated than
others, regardless of the octane rating.  So head for the premium
stations, just not the premium pumps.

You can put even worse gas in, if you retard the spark.
For more details, dig back -- I think it's only been ~2 weeks since
we hashed this over last time.
--
DON'T DRINK SOAP! DILUTE DILUTE! OK!
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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Neat AGV helmet on TV (I wish... list)
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:49:51 GMT

In article <31132.89.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)  writes:
>
>-> > It wouldn't sound loud, but your overall sound pressure would still
>-> be >there, so you'd go just as deaf over long exposure.
>
>> Say what?  If you play a waveform 180 degrees out of phase with an
>> identical waveform, it cancels it.  Sum pressure of identical peak
>> and valley = nada.  In the real world, "reduction," rather than
>> "cancellation" is all you can hope for.  However, the same principle
>> holds.  You can't have less noise w/out less sound pressure.
>
> You're missing the point slightly.  The modulation isn't the problem -
>it's the overall sound pressure.  That's why electronic gun muffs are
>plain old sound muffs; they just play the adjusted sound inside the
>muff.  Trying to use an open system and phase cancellation wouldn't work
>well.
>
> Acoustics 101.
>                                                                 


Who said anything about an open system?  The inside of a helmet
or headset ear cup is hardly open in this context.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
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From: chucks@uars2.acd.ucar.edu (Chuck Smythe)
Subject: Re: water-proofing gloves
Organization: Ntl Center for Atmospheric Research, Atmospheric Chemistry
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:23:17 GMT

In serious wet, I use climbing gear.  High-tech and expensive; goretex
mitten shells over my gloves.  Low tech and cheap: for ice climbing I bought
some rubberized gloves called Monkey Grips (tm).  $7.95 at your favorite
hardware store.

			Chuck Smythe
			DoD #50

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From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: First ride in rain almost first dropped bike, too
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:12:32 GMT
Reply-To: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


Now, I don't normally read this group, but as someone who makes a habit
of sliding tires and locking brakes at 150mph (yes, I do this on th
the racetrack :)  Let me offer some advise.

The general question is 'what to do with a locked rear wheel.'  The
answer is generally 'release the brake slowly and smoothly'  What you
want to do is eliminate the violence caused by a quick release.

If your immediate need is to stop ASAP, then I would agree that you
should leave the rear brake locked and concentrate soley on using the
front to its maximum.

If you don't care much for your tires, find an empty road or parking
lot and practice.  Get going at a good rate (maybe 30mph) and lock the
rear, then release it.  Feel for the bike's violence and figure how
to reduce it.

By contrast, if you lock the front wheel you want to get it spinning
again immediately, or you will crash.

On the racetrack, I nearly never use the rear brake.

	<================================================> 
       /        Rich Sturges           (h) 703-536-4443   \
      /    NSWC - Carderock Division   (w) 301-227-1670    \
     /  "I speak for no one else, and listen to the same."  \
    <========================================================>
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From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: <None>
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:24:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.001524.1@cua.edu> 43wendel@cua.edu writes:
>	Does anyone have any information on Dennis Kirk catalogs.  The reason
>I ask is because I have heard different opinions as to whether they're products
>are worth ordering.
>       Thanks for any information
>				My address is 
>				43wendel@cua.edu
>                                 Gregory Wendel

I've ordered from them several times. Name brand stuff, cheap prices, and
UPS delivery in 3 days every time. No complaints.

Jeff Achenbach
From: tkpowell@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Terry Powell)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Radar Gun For Sale
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:30:25 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

->1) It doesn't matter whether you believe it or not. It happens.
->2) I usually travelled at 70-75mph on I35 - like most of the rest of
->traffic.
->3) I stay to the right except to pass - and don't if one of these bullet
->   cages is going to be breathing down my neck before I finish my pass.
->4) If you think I pose an obstacle to normal traffic flow, you can ask Joe
->   Senner or some of the others that have ridden with me and I think you
->will >   find that you are incorrect.
->5) You need to separate your opinions and conjecture from reality.

 Ok, I've never traveled I35.  If you've got idiots blasting in and out of
traffic, tailgating and generally being a hazard at any speed, you've got
a problem.  My objections here is the use of a radar gun by an individual
such as yourself to fuck with traffic.  Cops with radar are enough of a
hazard in disrupting the smooth flow of traffic.  We don't need junior
policemen playing 'watch the brake lights come on'

->
->>far as fucking with traffic by using radar... you're no better than the
->>jerks who park in the left lane. 
->

->You are entitled to your opinion. Me too. I believe that a car doing 100mph
->in heavy traffic on a two lane Interstate, weaving in and out and
->tailgaiting
->by less than a foot, even when others are trying to get out of the way,
needs >to have his license revoked and put in a mental institution.

No argument.  Let the cops take car of them.  My experience tells me that
a private citizen who trys to 'enforce good driving' just creates other
hazards.  This is especially true when dealing with the type of assholes
you are describing.  They're already operating on the edge.  Why push them
over?  


>
->And since it appears you believe one can decide how another drives from a
->few >simple statements, I'll join in...
>

->  Since you are -obviously- one of the aforementioned tailgaters, would you
->  please turn in your license, as you are mentally unfit to drive.
->
->How's that? :^)

Is this an official request from Jr Officer Polk?  :-)
From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What is the DoD?
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:10:51 GMT
	<1992Dec14.014622.12191@netcom.com> <1ggt3qINNhta@agate.berkeley.edu>
Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University
In-reply-to: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU's message of 14 Dec 92 02:55:54 GMT

>>>>> On 14 Dec 92 02:55:54 GMT, robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) said:
Michael> ObMoto: If you are on a canyon road, and encounter black ice, is there
Michael> anything you can do to help minimize your chances of a dramatic spill?

Depends on when you detect it.  If you see it before, select a lane
position that allows you to take a straight line path of travel
across.  Straighten the motorcycle and use both brakes to slow rapidly
in a straight line before you reach the ice.  Of course, check behind
and to the sides to determine if traffic permits this maneuver.  Cross
the ice as vertically as possible and avoid braking or acceleration.
Ideally, squeeze the clutch and coast across, looking well ahead.

Once you are on a slippery surface, regardless of the type, try to
maintain a steady speed and avoid abrupt weight shifts.  If you are
riding in conditions where black ice is likely, try to anticipate it
by keeping your speed down and searching farther ahead.  This will buy
you the reaction time and space you need.  The best advice is to use
your head to avoid getting in over it.
--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>         MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (james.bessette)
Subject: Re: Helmet Laws
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:55:29 GMT

In article <BzDAJx.L6B@cs.dal.ca> craig@ug.cs.dal.ca (Ryan Craig) writes:
>
>Here's an interesting question (at least I think it is):  Why is the federal
>goverernment in the U.S. so intent on implementing helmet laws?  The federal
>government in the US certainly doesn't pay for the health care of most
>bike riders, so there goes that excuse.  They don't force seatbelt laws down
>people's throats, as far as I know, although they do insist on stupid passive
>restraint laws that result in less effective seatbelts for people who already
>used them (I'm referring to those stupid belts attached to the doors, of
>course, as opposed to the proper solution, air bags, which still aren't a
>replacement for proper use of seat belts).  It all smacks of pure intervention-
>ism, without any real reason.  That's not to say that helmets aren't a good
>idea, or helmet laws for that reason, but what's the federal governments stake
>in enforcing seatbelt laws?
>
>	Ryan "I just had to ask a stupid question" Craig.

The U.S Government doesn't give a rat's patootie about the safety of the U.S.
citizens.  They are people.  They like money. Insurance companies give them
a lot of money.  This helps them get re-elected. Life goes on.

Jim Bessette
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: tomes@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: Attention electric vest owners!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:07:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.195810.14805@colorado.edu> laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes:
>|> >so how much for the bra? my first offer is $1
>|> Next bid is $2
>My bid now stands at $3

ok big shot, $3.50.  It hurts, but I just found some empty cans in the back 
seat of the cage this morning.

So Jody:give us a clue.  are we close to the sealed minimum bid?
(standard practice here to prevent ridiculously low proces)

CP "oh no my wife just walked in" Tomes
strangle gurgle gasp gasp thud
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Cell phones
Date: 16 Dec 92 07:57:14 -0800
Distribution: usa
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <BzCvBs.Lyx@apollo.hp.com>, brady_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Brady) writes:
> In article <1992Dec15.232133.6210@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>>
  (various stuff about different people who can't drive...)

>>4) Jerry (our pet name for geriatrics -- people who are quite slow,
> I use LOL, LOM (little 'ol lady/man) or LOX (X=don't care, leftovers
> from my hardware engineering days :-) My biggest fear of visiting
> my dad in Tampa, Florida is dealing with the LOX's on I-4 and the other
> "high speed" roads :-( (Sorry Floridians!)

I call these people 'hatters', cuz usually it's an old guy wearing a
white hat (and almost always driving a large American car like a big old Ford
LTD).  8-)

Bruce
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 16 Dec 1992 21:28:11 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 24284@spdc.ti.com, achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.001524.1@cua.edu> 43wendel@cua.edu writes:
>>	Does anyone have any information on Dennis Kirk catalogs.  
>
>I've ordered from them several times. Name brand stuff, cheap prices, and
>UPS delivery in 3 days every time. No complaints.

Their catalog is slicker than the newsprint most of them use.  It's got
some good stuff in it the others lack, like charts explaining the codes
on tires, chain sizes, etc.

Their list price is high, but they have a "not undersold" policy, and
their price include shipping.  They do charge for exchanges (that
aren't their fault), so get the size right before you order.

No complaints.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: erika@znext.cts.com (erik astrup)
Subject: Re: Unleaded petrol
Organization: pnet
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:49:53 GMT

marrevola@rediris.es writes:
: My ZX-11 owners manual says that I can put unleaded petrol in my bike but,
: I've heard that it will damage valve seats in few years. Is this true?
: Here in Spain unleaded petrol is cheaper than leaded petrol (spanish unleaded
: petrol is 95 octane RON).
: Cheers...
: 
	No it will not harm your valve seats. Unleaded fuel is superior to
leaded because it won't cause lead fouling either. Your owners manual says
to use it becuase it's designed to use it. 


 ==============================================================================
  Erik Astrup                   DOD #683                            AFM #422

  1993 CBR 900RR  *  1990 CBR 600  *  1990 Concours *  1980 GL1100 Interstate

      "This one goes to eleven" - Nigel Tufnel, lead guitar, Spinal Tap
 ==============================================================================
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Thanks for GIF info...
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:22:32 GMT
Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Organization: Columbia University


	Thanks to all the people who posted or sent me information on how
	to download GIF files. I have now got it all figured out and have been
	working my way through the archives...

	Waiting for more pictures of this motley crew to finish downloading...
-------
"This is where I wanna sit and buy you a drink someday." - Temple of the Dog
Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|
'79 Yamaha XS750F -- '85 Toyota 4Runner -- Perception Corsica  |  NYC, NY.  |
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Cell phones
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:50:00 GMT

 
> Most of the time, I can spot someone talking on the phone just  by the way
>they're driving; weaving in a lane, going much slower than the rest of traffic
>(usually in the fast lane), not looking before a lane change etc.

    Damn! Where are the "scanners" when you need them? Probably
on the car phone arranging to make another movie.

   My OL drives a truck, and about a year ago she saw a fool in a
Lamborghini drift under the trailer of a truck that was next to him
while he was playing with his phone. They should have an interlock
so the phone won't work unless the transmission is in park.



Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.


*************************************************************
   "Never trust anyone in a cage, if they weren't nuts
    they'd be on a scoot like anybody else."
                        Grandmother, 1943
=============================================================
From: bobby@dc.dk (Bobby Billingsley)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: A good motorcycle repair book (Q)
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:18:10 GMT
Organization: Datacentralen A/S


>In article <1992Dec14.072447.21912@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>,
jwas_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Jason Wasson) asks about a manual on
MC-repair for beginners.
to which 
bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca replies that a Clymer's manual might be a good idea.

which in turn prompts me to inquire whether there might exist such a beast
for the 1986 Yamaha XJ600. The aforementioned bike is mainly sold in Europe,
but maybe (just maybe) some of you lot have heard about it. Please respont via
email if you *DO* know anything about this matter.
-- 
:   Bobby Billingsley                   : Remember to love while you dare to   :
:   Datacentralen, Denmark              : remember to live while you do so     :
:   Phone: +45 4371-8122 Ext. 3337      :........................-.Piet.Hein...:
:   E-mail: bobby@dc.dk                 : DoD# 80884 : Ride=Yamaha XJ600, 1986 :
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: FRAHM@UCSU.COLORADO.EDU (Joel A. Frahm)
Subject: Re: Locking the rear wheel. (oh no!)
Summary: slide, flip, crash, ouch.
Keywords: pain, confusion, dismay, koala, dung.
Organization: JILA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:38:09 GMT

In article <1giuprINNhns@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
>Subject: Re: Locking the rear wheel. (Was: First ride i

>It probably depends on the rider as well.  A jerk that one rider can
>ride out may well toss another.  I used to ride bucking horses a lot,
>and an occasional bull, but I don't think it particularly translates
>into ability on a bucking motorcycle.  Dirt experience probably does.
>
>MSF realizes the nondeterministic nature of the decision, and opts for
>the safest option, keeping the rear locked and using the front for
>braking and directional control.  Where that's not possible, given the
>choice, I'll take a low side over a high side any day.
>
>---
>Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
>  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
>DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
> (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


	Perhaps this helps to explain something for me.  I have occasionally
locked up the rear on my sportbike, and never noticed much of a problem
with it.  Usually I just back off on the rear brake.  Rarely has the back
wheel slid to the side, but if it does I just steer out of the skid.  I
didn't think highsiding in this manner was a big deal.  I guess it is, but 
from years of dirt riding, where I lock up the rear all the time, I'm 
somewhat used to the sensation.  I don't fully understand the physics
of the situation, but locking up the rear and sliding it around is a
preferred method (by some) of turning in the dirt.  perhaps due to a lack
of traction and the prblem with lean angles on the dirt.  Riding dirt also
helps one deal with the surprises that grabbing the brakes provide, 
and one learns to control a bike that pops back up to vertical suddenly.
One thing that concerns me is what will happen when my dirt experience 
runs out in some remote canyon (or perhaps this should be a concern for
my executors). 
	I wonder if it would be possible to do a survey of moto saftey
comparing the DoD folks to the rest of the world.  I would be interested
in the DoD safety record.  Seems like enthusiasts might suffer more injuries,
but less deaths. Comments?

Joel.  87 FZ700;  86 KTM 350 MXC;  83 XR500R;  someday I'll write a .sig file
(and who knows, maybe it'll be amusing).


      
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From: yuri@amath.washington.edu (Yuri Yulaev)
Subject: moto-insurance
Keywords: insurance
Organization: University of Washington, Applied Mathematics, Seattle
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:37:33 GMT

	I need advise. what is fair price for moto-insurance: I am safe driver with ~10 years
experience with car, but I did not drive bike for 7+ years. I am going to get bike mostly for
pleasure. Any help will appreciate.
	Yuri
From: carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Interstate Speeds (was Re: Radar Gun For Sale)
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:15:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) writes:

>tomes@iastate.edu writes:
>>I think 100 mph is reasonable for the interstate, since the original specs
>>on the interstate system were written for 100mph max speed, 

>Defense Interstate Highway Program (ie: the actual language)?  I seriously
>doubt that it specifies 100mph, verbatum.  It was passed in the mid-1950s
>as I'd recall, and was designed for the purpose of deploying troops and
>military materiel around the country rapidly during a national emergency
>(who says we didn't get any benefit from The Cold War ;^).  Tho' the mid-
>50s were a bit before my time, I don't think a lot of cars were designed
>to sustain 100mph speeds, much less military trucks and troop carriers.

Beg to differ, on purely unsubstantiated opinion.  LOTS of folks
in the mid-50's were interested in sustained speeds in the
80-100mph range; LOTS of those old 50's Ford and Chevy land
yachts would do this all day.

And one major requirement of the Interstate system was the
ability to land large military transports and bombers on the
roads in a pinch, unless I'm mistaken.  This would require that
there be many 2-5 mile stretches good for 150mph or so.
--
Carl Paukstis, RRR&RSG             |"The good news is that Clinton will have to
 Olivetti North America/Spokane,WA | work hard to do worse than Bush in terms
 Phone: +1 509 927-5439            | of economic policy.  The bad news is that
 Mail: carlp@mail.spk.olivetti.com | he will probably manage to do so"-Ed Ipser
From: djm@morpheus.wustl.edu (David Maconochie)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Date: 12 Dec 92 01:47:53 GMT
Organization: Washington University in Saint Louis, MO USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: morpheus.wustl.edu

>  They should also include
>at least estimates of the reduction of that cost had the riders been
>wearing helmets, and show that that delta would still be a significant
>portion of such costs.

Come on Ed, if you don't belive lies or damned lies, then you are not going
to believe statistics either, especially if your intuition differs.
-- 
--

David Maconochie
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