From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Straight Child molesters?
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:09:16 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca

In article <4ZHViB1w164w@Nitro.CtEdge.COM> djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM writes:
> mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor) writes:
> 
> > > Sure did.. So normal couples with dysfunctional reproductive
> > > systems could bear children.. Not so that un-natural sexual
> > > practices could be 'legitimized' by faking a process that is
> > > impossible under NORMAL circumstances.
> > 
> > Nevertheless, gay couples use it to bear their own progeny.  I bet you
> > can't stand that, huh?
> > 
> > QUEERS HAVE KIDS.
> Poor kids. :(
> 
> > And there's nothing you can do about it.  Neener neener.
> > 
> 
> Sure there is. Plant a flower for each hunted looking little
> child I see being drug around like a prize puppy dog by some
> swaggering snorting 'queer lady'.
> 
> To inflict that life on someone who has no choice is a crime
> against humanity.


Funny, I've seen that a lot; except the "queer ladies" really ARE women,  
not drag queens, and they are typically tartish, will hop into bed with  
anyone, mistreat their children, and are generally uncaring, neglectful  
and unfit mothers. They are also uniformly heterosexual. I've run into a  
fair number in my day. My first encounter with such a woman was when my  
mother took me on a trip to Hawaii when I was eight years old; a woman  
living near where we were staying went to the bars EVERY NIGHT and got  
picked up, leaving her children (both around seven or eight) at home  
alone.

On the other hand, I know a lot of gay men with children. None of them are  
drag queens; I know a reasonable number of queens, none of which have  
children. In fact, to the very last, the gay men I know with children fit  
the "family man" image, and treat their kids with fairness, compassion and  
love. One is pursuing a degree in experimental medicine, in his late 40's  
with a 23 year old daughter, and is only recently out of the closet.  
Another designs playground equipment, is a professor of behavioural  
psychology, is a recovered alcoholic, and enjoys fistfucking. Yet another  
is in the orchid business, is nearly celibate (although he did recently  
start a relationship), looks exactly like Santa Claus, and is suffering  
from congestive heart failure. Although their lifestyles vary, the way  
they raise their children seems to be all the same. These children are all  
very lucky, if you ask me, and in my experience, gay men have been as a  
whole the most capable and dedicated group of parents I can think of.

And *none* of them used artificial insemination. Indeed, they were all  
married to women at the time their children were conceived; most of them  
didn't come out until after the children were born. I'd say that the  
profiles above are pretty typical of "gay fathers" - much more so than  
your characterization.

Unfortunately, I can't comment on lesbian mothers, since I know relatively  
few lesbians. Any takers for this one?

Why don't you find out a bit more about the situation before you make  
these grotesque stereotypes?

-Anthony