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From:         Deborah Gibbons <dg4t+%ANDREW.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: SES Measure for Kids

Rick, et al.:

You're right, of course, that the assumptions we make about SES will
seriously color the results of any survey.  And there are bound to be
some examples which do not fit our general expectations.  Do you think
that the concept of SES is too broad, or perhaps too heavily influenced
by culture, to be useful?  If we define it more clearly by categories
(ie. income, education level, position in the community, etc.), will it
provide more practical information?  Since we know that family SES, as a
general construct, is linked to things like performance in school,
involvement in crime, etc., this is not a trivial question.  Maybe the
development of a 'fuzzy' measure now will lead to better, and more
useful scales, later.

As for the funding problem, we need to stir up the powers-that-be in our
government to put more $$$ into research that will pay off later.
Despite pressure from academia to publish in "prestigious" trade
journals, this battle should be fought in the wider media.  After all,
the bottom line for politicians is votes, isn't it?

Debbie
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From:         Deborah Gibbons <dg4t+%ANDREW.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: More Bathroom Talk (Out on a limb)

How do the women feel about men's turmoil at the urinal?  I, for one, am
delighted.  After years of standing in lines, watching men zip in and
out of the bathroom while we wait .. wait .. wait, the picture you paint
is worth a good chuckle.  Next time I'm standing in a line, I'll be
seeing more than generic men emerging from the bathroom.  You've made
the wait immensely more tolerable!

By the way, I don't think women go to the bathroom together any more
than we do other things together.  We simply don't see it as an occasion
to interrupt a good conversation.

Debbie
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From:         "psp.dasilvaalvo" <J.H.Dasilvaalvo@SEQ.HULL.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: NEUROANATOMY SOFTWARE

Hi all,
Here in the UK there is a company which has quite a few programs and audio-
visual materials in the human body and others. If anybody wants to contact
them their name and address is: AVP, SCHOOL HILL CENTRE, CHEPSTOW, GWENT NP6
 9PH, U.K.
A very good one is called HUMAN ANATOMY RESOURCE which shows surface,
longitudinal, vertical and lateral views and sections and other perspectives
of every part of the human body (brain and nervous system included).
I hope this helps.
Bye.
Jorge.
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:54:01 -0700
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From:         SELIGMAR@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU
Subject:      Empathy tests

I am presently looking for a short paper and pencil test that measures
empathy.  I have worked with Hogans test and was not happy with it.
I need it to administer to adult males with an average of about
a tenth grade education.  I know that there are many empathy measures
out there, if you have used one of them and was satisfied with
its reliability and validity, please drop me a line.

Ross A. Seligman
Department of Psychology
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From:         mmcginn@SFU.CA
Subject:      RE: SES Measure for Kids

> ...one indirect, but "face valid" measure of SES that kids could
> probably use is to ask about household possessions, the presence or
> absence of which would be correlated with SES. Examples could include
> (I'm making this list up) indoor plumbing, how many bathrooms, how many
> people share bedrooms, does family own stove, refrigerator, microwave,
> VCR, TV (how many), family have a car (how many), telephone (how many),
> etc., etc., etc.

This may not be a very good indicator. The presence of some of these items
is a matter of choice rather than SES. Not everyone *wants* to own cars,
TVs and VCRs (I own none of the above, and not just because I am living off
an RA salary). I wonder what the correlation between these items and SES
would actually be? You would certainly want to investigate that before you
attempted to use this list as an indicator of SES.

        Michelle McGinn
        Faculty of Education
        Simon Fraser University
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:18:45 -0700
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From:         The salacious employer of dubious verbiage
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Subject:      Re: Prisoner's Dilemma

Kathy,  I'm not sure, but the game sounds familiar...I read Kagan's
book _Unstable Ideas_ for a class last term, and it may be in that...
I'd look for you, but I'm already procrastinating on a paper that's
due tomorrow.. if you want to wait a couple of days, I"ll be glad to
check!


** Go Cowboys!!***

trace

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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:17:45 -0500
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From:         Steven Zikopoulos <szikopou@CCS.CARLETON.CA>
Subject:      Re: Ethics
              Neilands" at Jan 27, 93 5:16 pm

Tor Neilands writes:
>
> Stephanie Fishkin writes:
>
[text regarding Zimbardo and Milgram studies deleted]

>
> This is a tough issue. We can get even grayer (sp; ww?) than that: what
> about the "almost true results" that are "massaged" into truth and
> published? We don't know how much of that is going on out there. I've seen
> entirely too much of it in my graduate career, to the point where I'm very
> cynical about what I read in journals, now. I don't blame individual
> researchers as much as I blame the incentive system that has put enormous
> pressure on folks to "publish" or "perish". Sigh...
>

Well...as part of the future of North American Psychology you have
identified a problem with the 'system'.  I agree that the p or p
system (guess we can't get out of an Industrial Model of efficiency,
success, etc.) causes problems.  That is, if we care enough about the
"quality" of the research we do.

When DO we start balming individuals?  We have to at some point if you
or I want the 'system' to change for the "better" (assuming we know or
have some vague sense of what a better system would be like).

Any thoughts on what researach SHOULD be for and about? Given that
some of us feel that p or p causes problems; what can we do to change
it?  Are there enough grad students in Pychology who want to actively
try and shape the future of North American psychology? (a tad
grandiose perhaps but who cares?)  Perhaps most
of us are content with our "apprenticeships" and the education we
receive from it?

I'll stop babbling now.  It was a relief to see a posting that didn't
contain athletic skatological discourse.

Steven Zikopoulos
Carleton University
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From:         "Todd.Nelson" <22817MGR@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Deep Thoughts

 I bet a fun thing would be to go way back in time
 to where there was going to be an eclipse
 and tell the cave men,
 'If I have come to destroy you,
 may the sun be blotted out from the sky.'
 Just then the eclipse would start,
 and they'd probably try to kill you or something,
 but then you could explain
 about the rotation of the moon and all,
 and everyone would get a good laugh.



 Best to all,

  Todd D. Nelson
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From:         PCABE@PEMBVAX1.PEMBROKE.EDU
Subject: Re: CowPlop Fans

...of course the Super Bowl has redeeming social value! At least it keeps
a couple hundred people off the streets for a couple of hours.

A friend of mine, of a philosophical bent, once offered the opinion that
sports, rather than religion, has become the opiate of the masses. Maybe
he's right...
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From:         Margaret Joppa <joppa@PSYCH.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: the matching hypothesis

I think this hypothesis makes sense at a superficial level, but surely
there are other factors involved, such as personalities, behaviors,
past experience, and length of relationship of the two people.  I find
it hard to beleive attractiveness is most important in predicting a
relationship between two people.  There must be high variation.
Margaret
        "I have given up my search for truth and am now
        looking for a good fantasy"  -Ashleigh Brilliant
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Date: 25 Jan 93 15:11:39 GMT
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Sorry to be using Psycgrad for this, but if Shane Brown of Queensland is
watching, please send me your mail address!

Best regards,

Shiv Kaul

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From:         Stephanie Fishkin <fishkin@SCF.USC.EDU>
Subject:      SES Measure for Kids

I am helping to prepare a questionnaire which will be distributed and
completed by a bunch of schoolchildren, grades 4-12.  My problem is that
we need some sort of SES measure.  The last time we did this, we used
a weak proxy measure, and I'm not sure of it's validity and/or reliability.

Can anyone suggest anything?  It can't be a direct question of family SES,
since the younger kids might not know.


Thanks!

SF

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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:03:28 -0500
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From:         YCAI@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU
Subject:      Gestalt

I am interested in Gestalt Psychology, which was born before War World II.
("Gestalt" means "form" in English). I heard that there are over one
hundred "rules" about human image organization. I try to collect all of
them. Is there any resource available about it? In addition, is there any
current research about Gestalt Psych. or its applications?

I will be appreciated with your recommendations or discussions.

Yang Cai

- WVU
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From:         KMORGAN@WHEATNMA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Corn-ventions

APS--American Psychological Society
ABS--Animal Behavior Society
ASP--American Society of Primatologists

Yes, Sturbridge, Massachusetts.
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Subject:      Re: the matching hypothesis

Todd,   Forgive my lack of coolness...what is MPA??  Is that a
regional conference?  I thought all the cool people were out here in
Cal and the northwest, anyway!!!  ;-)

(so does this mean you're for the bills?  Yuch!!  :-)   )

trace

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From:         Mike Babyak <HOPE@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: A request for references on OCD

Luc,
A good place to start for OC models is Judith Rapaport's book
titled Obsessive Compulsive Disorder in Children, or something
to that effect.  In it, biological, ethological, and other models
are presented.
One name that has been associated with cybernetic models of OCD
is Pittman (Roger, I believe), though I don't have the specific
reference.  I know of no papers that take the approach you suggest,
but it sounds interesting.  I'd be interested to hear more.  I have
lots of other refs with respect to OCD and Tourette's, and a few other
possibly related papers, including one on environmental dependency
syndrome, which occurs after certain frontal lobe lesions.
Timothy Shallice also discusses a model that I think works for a number
of these syndromes and behaviors.
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From:         G9226406@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA
Subject:      Re: the matching hypothesis

Michael,
I think that you are right.  You did forget to add that individuals asked out
by others who are percieved as 'uglier' than themselves also tend to be
more likely to reject the offer.
There are also a lot of anecdotes (spelled right ?) about beautiful
people getting together that might influence how some couples might be
rated.
What I would like to suggest is that the similarity of couples and friends
goes beyond what they just look like.  For example, individuals who have a
tendency to dress up a lot would look for others who did the same.  The
result can in fact be a couple that looks pretty great!!!  Whether they are
attractive independent of their clothes can be another matter entirely.  Of
course the reverse of this might also be true.
This can also be extended to social class in some situations.  Individuals
who are leading very impoverished lives tend to look hard, stressed, and
much older than their years.  Couples from a lower class may not look so
very attractive.
The matching data is correlational at best.  There are just too many factors
that could result in the pairing of like-looking people (attractiveness level
included there).

Cheers,
Tammy
McMaster University,
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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From:         ECO_GXC@SHSU.BITNET
Subject:      ethics

if you are secretly observing people in a restroom I think you've got
a clear ethical problem -- related to legal concepts of privacy not
to univeristy ethics committees.  There have been lawsuits (some successful,
some not) in exactly this sitution.  Some of the secret observers have been
doing so for voyeristic reasons, some for security reasons (such as retail
stores) and some for law enforcement reasons (morals squads in parks).

if you are making the observations in a restroom that has sinks which are
clearly seperate from the toilet area then it might be a different situation.
But, if the urinals or toilets are observable (whether you are lookin or not)
then I'd stay away from any research of this nature.  I think you might have
a hard time convincing a jury that any potential benefits to science override
a citizens concern for privacy --- gary carson
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From:         Matthew Simpson <054340@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: handwashing ethics

I'm sorry if this example has already been used.  I haven't been following
the letters on this topic.  Never the less, here is a anecdote for
you all.

In my pregraduate year, if I remember correctly, one of my professors
cited a study in social psychology, a study of proximity.  You know the
old phenomenon that shows people walking faster down the hall if they have
to walk between two people having a conversation; that shows automobile
drivers driving away from a stop sign at faster speeds if there is someone
at the corner watching the driver.  Evidently, as the professor cites, in men
there is a correlation between length of time spent urinating and
distance between the man standing at the next urinal.  The closer men stand
next to each other while urinating, the faster they pee.

The professor was not teaching us social psychology at the time, but rather
research methods and the importance of ethical consideration.  Evidently,
the researcher had mounted a camera in the men's bathroom.  The class got a
kick out of the idea that someone would actually be so bold to mount a
camera in the bathroom.

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