From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: Time to put in my 2cents worth
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:44:34 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Nov12.012139.12326@gagme.chi.il.us> phantom@gagme.chi.il.us (Leif Ericksen) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.215800.16771@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov8.081428.2621@gagme.chi.il.us> phantom@gagme.chi.il.us (Leif Ericksen) writes:
>>>OK the marker die was a special type that needed a special light, I belive
>>>a black light to be seen.

>	TRUE, guns and other items can be useful but tell me about it
>more I have heard more about women not knowing how to use the gun, being
>afraid to use the gun, being unable to get to the gun, after all 
>are you going to leave the office with the gun in hand until you get to your
>'SAFE  destination?  like the movie 'I dont think so!'

Ummm... Excuse me, but this is a little sexist. You poor stupid women, 
just can't learn how to use weapons, so we are going to protect you
from yourselves and send you out to meet armed assailants with knives 
and guns with such tactical wonders as car keys, pencils and credit cards.

>	So, as it is you have weapons always at your disposel hands, head, feet,
>knees, car keys, credit cards, pencils, etc.

While the rapist has a knife or a gun. This reminds me of one of those
silly slasher movies where the person goes outside with the car keys
and a flashilight to face a murderer with an ax. 

>	I have ever heard in reports was that the majority of the time
>when a weapon knife/gun is used it ends up being used against the victim.

Bull shit. In 97% of the cases where a firearm is used as defense, there
is no rape or injury to the victim. Knives and credit cards are taken
away because you have to get close to use them. A firearm can be used
at several feet - and in most assaults the victim is aware there is a 
problem before physical contact. In many cases they are aware of being
stalked and are seeking a haven at the point of confrontation.

>for defense I tell use this much IT WILL NOT WORK if the person is say
>50 feet away or closer and you have to pull it out, of a purse
>or shoulder hoster, or if you are crazy enough to place it down the
>front of your pants the attacker will see that and be on you before you can
>fire a shot... ( MOST LIKELY )

I suggest you buy a handbag, go to the range, and practice putting a loaded
and ready to go semi-automatic in it (with the safety on). Practice pulling
it out, and hitting a target at six feet. You'll be surprised how fast you'll
get.

>	NOW andy I do not know about your state I think it is Cali, but
>ass it stands in my area of Illinois if you are able to walk outside
>with a gun in your hand for more than 10 mins without somebody seeing
>you, calling the cops and tehn having three squads suround you with their
>guns pointing at your head you are lucky!  ALSO if you get pulled over,
>and do have an FOI card the cops will know it shows up on their computer,
>so they maybe antsy.  Then if they decide to search your car and your items
>and they find it you go to JAIL here.

So, get rid of the stupid laws. Don't provide more poorly defended victims.

I'm beginning to wonder if a better name for this group is talk.rape.technique.

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