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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:18:03 GMT
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E.A. Story (eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu) wrote:
:
: >Really?  So how come I can use "cd .." to up a directory level on both DOS
: >and UNIX, but not on an Amiga?  Who's doing things backwards here?
:
: Hehe.  You got one of my pet peeves with AmigaShell.  WHy it doesn't
: support . and .., I have no idea.  You even have to use "" for current
: directory because . is missing as well.  I got used to the "cd /"
: nomenclature, tho.  And the MSDOS "\" is completly stupid.
:

Why?  At least it's consistent -- "\" is the directory separator, and "\"
by itself is the root directory.  The Amiga version is all screwed up, IMHO.
Just because it's different, that doesn't mean that it's stupid.  I suppose
you think that VMS's Drive:[dir.dir.dir]file.ext is also stupid?

:
: Ezra Story, a student at RIT, and
:
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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:57:20 GMT
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Jack Radigan (jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov) wrote:
:
:   You're still ignoring my point, judicious use is not dangerous or harmful.
: As the term implies, it requires sufficient knowledge to use the tool in
: question properly.
:

I agree with this, as I've stated several times already.

:
:   By your logic chainsaws should be banned because they're a dangerous short
: cut compared with a manually operated handsaw.
:

Not at all.  By my logic, people should be discouraged from using chainsaws
for slicing pizza and cutting their nails.  Do you see the difference?

:
:   Fortunately, most people who use chainsaws aren't as intimidated as you are
: and manage to cut limbs off of a tree and not their own in the process.  They
: respect the tool and use it properly.
:

This is a bad analogy, for several reasons.  One, the dangers of using a
chainsaw are much more apparent than those of using a goto.  Two, misusing
a goto is not as painful in the short run as is misusing a chainsaw; in fact,
it can be quite enticing.  There are other reasons.

:
:   Goto's are *exactly* the same thing.
:

Not quite.

:   -jack-
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: IBM Compatible? Certainly not!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:51:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.160744.29715@city.cs> lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
>The 28th Jan issue of industry journal Computing quotes
>"...  In just seven years, IBM went from being the
>world's most profitable and most admired corporation
>to becoming the greatest failure in the history of
>business."
>
>Well, IBM have reaped what they have sown. They have
>held back mainstream progess in microcomputing by
>about 10 years. All that time the challenge on 
>people's lips was "Is it IBM compatible?"
>
>Now the phrase "IBM compatible" is passe, an
>embarassment, anathema.
>
>Now if anyone asks if the Amiga is IBM compatible,
>you can say, "No! Certainly NOT!".

   That is totally brainless.  IBM's problems have come in their slumping
mainframe sales, not in sales of systems and products for the personal
computer and workstation industries.  In fact, IBM's sales in these 
industries have been skyrocketing as of late.  But IBM had become so
dependent on their mainframe sales that skyrocketing sales of workstation
and microocomputer systems and products could not make up for it.

   Besides, it was not IBM that held back progress in the personal computer
industry.  It was MicroSoft.  IBM really did not put much of their
corporate attention to the PC industry until their mainframe sales started
to slump.  MicroSoft is the developer of the operating system that allows
the PC industry to function, and it was MicroSoft that put only skant
attention to improving this OS.  It is competition from IBM, through
the development of OS/2 2.0, that is forcing MicroSoft to put more into
their hopeful replacement for MS-DOS: Windows and Windows NT.  

   Finally, you are totally empty-headed if you believe that a slogan
such as "IBM compatible? Certainly not!" would improve Amiga sales.  Most
people buy computers to get something done, and "IBM compatible" systems
are still the best bet because they have the most software.  

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| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:18:46 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1993Jan22.092023.7019@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
 >
 >Cool.  We have a population problem as it is and I certainly wouldn't 
 >mind if a few less were around.  Hell, if we didn't have so many stupid
 >people around, we wouldn't have to worry about pollution.  I say we
 >should spend more money on sterilizing everyone with an IQ of less than
 >140 and not in perfect health.  

Yeah!

 >Let's get rid of all the fat-assed lazy jerks who are ruining our world!  

Well, HAAAAALLLLT!  STTOOOOOP!  You kill me! I'm dying. Bye, bye, sniff.

HHHHEEEEEEEEELLLLLllllllllp.

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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: MAC, PC or Amiga?
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:12:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.171932.21790@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.163144.12826@city.cs> lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan25.214335.19072@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> miked@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Mike Danielsen) writes:
>>>
>>>Yes, but there is only one that can run all MAC, PC and Amiga software.
>>
>>This of course is very true, and should solve any remaining dilemma
>>about buying the A4000.
>
>People!  Fellow sentients! Listen to what you are saying!

Since I'm using A-Talk III (hey, I bought it cheap, ok?) on my Amiga right
now to log in and read news, I _can_ listen to what gets "said" here.  Let's
see you find a PC terminal emulator that will read to you...  Go on!  That
was a challenge - get to it!

> I said the BEST of all three.  Would you poeple PLEASE stop acting like you
>can stuff a Quadra and mega-486 into your Amigas, willy nilly! 

Quadra?  That's just a Mac with an '040 and 24-bit colour on the motherboard.
Add a SCSI-II board to an A4000 and you've beaten it.  Add an Emplant board
and you're emulating it - not a problem!  As for the "mega" 486, that's a
lot harder - I don't know of any DX2/66 bridgeboards.  But, what's "mega"
about PCs isn't so much the CPU speed.  We can have a 486SLC bridgeboard,
which would give decent performance.  Then, if you want whatever amazing
graphics and sound you'd have in your "mega-486", just take whatever cards
you have in the 486 and plug them into the ISA slots in the Amiga.  Easy!

I'll be the first to admit that the above relies on the release of C='s
SCSI-II card and the promised improvements to Emplant.  Also, to fit in all
the PC cards you might want, you might need an A4000T - again, not yet
released.  Close, though.

However, even without waiting until March, we can stuff some pretty impressive
Macs and PCs into our Amigas.

>And you Amigas are likely to be Amiga 500s, anyway!

Speak for yourself!  Not too many of us around here have A500s, you know.

>-- 
>Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu


P.S.  This message was brought to you by someone who's selling his Bridgeboard,
since he has no desire to stuff a PC into his Amiga, now that he has a shiny
new 486 notebook to play with.  Does that make me a hypocrate?  Naahhh...  ;-)

-- 
David Meiklejohn (davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au)
 - PC's, Unix, and networks by day, Amigas by night...
Currently residing in Mareeba, Far North Queensland, Australia
From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 28 Jan 93 06:11:54 GMT
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU

gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:

>eco-freaks are going to win.  No matter how hard we push, our capitolist

  A capitol is a building.  It's capitalist.

>society will push back

  No, the society won't push back.  A society isn't a living thing.  A
society is a collection of individuals, and it will be the individuals who
will resist those who want to put this amorphous "society" above the
individual.

>Anyone got the address/phone # for Earth First?

 The sickest thing I heard during the election campaign was George
Bush saying (paraphrasing) "It's time to make loggers as important as
the spotted owl".

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From: jsg@ccs.northeastern.edu (Jonas S Green)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:51:54 GMT
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U

In article <C1FJ0n.E07@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu
 (Marc N. Barrett) writes:

>   The introduction of an '030 A4000 and an A4000T would not solve the 
>problem as I stated it above.  An A4000 with a full '030 would obviously 
>be more expensive than an A4000 with the EC030, and the A4000T would be
>more expensive still.  If there is a hole in Commodore's product line 
>between the A1200 and the A4000 with EC030, introducing full '030 and
>tower models obviously would not fill that hole.  Commodore basically needs
>to introduce a new 'A1200' with '030 and detached keyboard, and not more
>A4000s, if they want to fill that gaping hole in their product line.


A New A1200 "With a detachable keyboard" means redesigning the case and
coming out with a new variant on the Amiga.

Granted there are flaws in the A600 & A1200 design. Among them:
  
  1. The size of the case precludes the use of the new High Density Drives.
  2. A detachable keyboard is better from an Occupational Safety Point of
     view. 

However: Why can't they come up with an Amiga 4000 case & motherboard with
the right internal CPU Card, and Hard Drive Space to be lowcost enough to
qualify as your mid-ranged system.
From: ibennett@camaro.uucp (Iain Bennett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amigan-whalloping Re: An Amigan does it *again* Re: clone prices & doom & gloom
Date: 20 Jan 93 16:44:16 GMT
Organization: camaro

In article <1993Jan18.134228.4015@news.uit.no> borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Boerge Noest) writes:
>>>(Hint: Amiga owners tend to know what goes on in the other camps.)
>>That says something, don't you think?
>
>That makes me believe that Amiga owners actually _chose_ to buy to an
>Amiga, and not follow the other lemmings. I know some of the stuff you have
>that I don't. Some of it I couldn't care less for, some of it would be
>interesting to have. Some of it get ported anyway.
>

To back you up, Commodore users want to know what is happening at other 
"camps" so we can laugh at what IBM has done that Commodore has already
implemented.

>>What is a B2000, anyway?
>
>An Amiga 2000 with motherboard revision higher than or equal to 4.0 (mine
>is 4.1)

I thought the B2000 was the UK/European version of the 2000?

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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:31:00 GMT

In <1jn457INNko0@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>atmosphere with the crap most cars put out.  I'd take electric over it
>any day.

Electric cars (except of solar powered cars) have one problem. They use
_more_ primary energy than cars that directly use the primary energy
(i.e. gasoline). Thus, for electric cars to replace cars with combustion
engines you have to rely on nuclear power plants to keep the atmosphere
clean.

Regards,
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From: ebers@gfxbase.in-berlin.de (Thorsten Ebers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Commodores AGA uppgrade board.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:46:54 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization
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In article <10549@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com>, Dr Peter Kittel Germany writes:

> In article <2187@vall.dsv.su.se> matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg) writes:
>  >David Tiberio (dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:
>  >
>  >: Now there are more game sales on the MACINTOSH than on the Amiga!
>  >
>  >: IBM 82%, Mac 8%, Amiga 6%
>  >
>  >How is it worldwide? Mac is hardly never mentioned in games magazines
>  >here in Europe.
>
> What is a Mac?
>

It is perhaps a kind of cheeseburger,but I know only of little
children playing with food. :-))

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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:43:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.004903.19883@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>In article <C1A1FM.Bws@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
>writes:
>
>>   If the price is true, that would still leave a more than $1500 gap in
>>Commodore's product line, between the A1200 and the EC030-based A4000.  
>>Commodore really needs to develop a system that would be positioned in between
>>the A1200 and the cheapest A4000; something like an A1200 with an 'EC030, '882,
>>and a detached keyboard would be nice.  However, Commodore has a history of
>>not marketing mid-range systems, so I don't think Commodore will start
>>marketing one now.
>
>If Lew Eggebrecht's comments during the information session at the WOC in
>Toronto are any indication, an A4000/030 is also slated for release at
>the same time, as is the A4000T.

   The introduction of an '030 A4000 and an A4000T would not solve the 
problem as I stated it above.  An A4000 with a full '030 would obviously 
be more expensive than an A4000 with the EC030, and the A4000T would be
more expensive still.  If there is a hole in Commodore's product line 
between the A1200 and the A4000 with EC030, introducing full '030 and
tower models obviously would not fill that hole.  Commodore basically needs
to introduce a new 'A1200' with '030 and detached keyboard, and not more
A4000s, if they want to fill that gaping hole in their product line.

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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:45:06 GMT
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Andy Finkel (andy@cbmvax.commodore.com) wrote:
:
: >If you really were Mr. Information, you'd put every PC-bashing falsehood-
: >posting know-nothing flame-throwing Amigoid through the same routine, but
: >somehow, I doubt it -- your bias is just too strong.
:
: I don't think that knowing a subject carries with it an obligation
: to correct every misstatement.  
:

Of course not.  However, trying to correct the misstatements of only one
side of a debate, when you believe both are wrong, is somewhat hypocritical
and shows your bias.

:
: And, once again, this 'bias' accusation.  Hmm, apparently knowing about
: more than one computer automatically makes you 'biased'.
:

Whoa, High Horse.  Actually, what makes you biased is your intolerance for
a point of view which differs from yours.

:
: Now, personally, I look at the individual as an individual, rather
: than a member of a particular group.  I judge the individual
: on his or her merits.  And I don't even make up insulting names
: (aka Amigoid) because I outgrew that in 4th grade.
:

Actually, I do that because it's a pain to have to type out "Amiga enthusiast"
every time.  Also, don't you think that things like "PClown", "PC Lemming",
etc., are at least equally insulting?  The fact that you blast only me for it
once again shows your bias.

: >
: >I'm sick of it, that's all.  I told you time and time again, that I was
: >talking about processes accessing devices by issuing port I/O instructions,
: >not making calls to the OS.  You keep bringing up the direct disk volume
: >access trick, which was deliberately put in to support fancy hard disk
: >utilities.
: >
:
: Well, aside from the 'fancy' direct disk volume trick (which, if you think
: is 'fancy' ...)
:

Where in the above did I say that the trick was fancy?  Do you *ever* read
anything I say?

:
: I have told you previously that an OS/2 application program containing
: an IOPL segment can directly access the hardware I/O ports using
: the 80x86 assembly IN and OUT instructions.
:

Yes, but doesn't the user have the final word on IOPL priviledges (in the
CONFIG.SYS file)?

:
: andy finkel		andy@cbmvax.commodore.com
:
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From: c92andst@odalix.ida.liu.se (Andreas Stenmark)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:40:17 GMT
Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden

das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>Does the Amiga CLI have 'move', as in moving files, directories wholly? 

Not an explicit move, but 'rename' works just like that. You just have
to do "alias mv rename" and it works great, as long as you're moving on
the same device. If you want to move over device borders, you need to
do copy/delete, but it could easily be done with a script. But thats not
necessary since there are 'move' programs on the PD-market.

	/Andreas
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From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: amiga a1200.....
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:39:20 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook

In article <30782@castle.ed.ac.uk> marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn) writes:
>robert.buonincontro@canrem.com (robert buonincontro) writes:
>
>>First, Commodore has just released the A1200! Have you ever seen them dump 
>>a computer so fast! It's doesn't go with their pattern. They take years to 
>>release computers but they don't take months to scrap them.
>
>Actually, yes - Over in the UK C= released the A500+ and dumped it a few
>months later in favour of the A600.
>

	I keep hearing people proclaim the A500+ as being here shortly and 
then being dumped. What are you complainging about?!

	That is like saying they dumped the A500C or A500Plus or A500D!
Come on! It is just in a different box with two chips that otherwise
would have been available to you or sold otherwise! It is not like it
was a new low end machine or something! It just had the new chips in it...

	Next are you going to say they dumped the A2000/020?


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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Byte's Amiga 4000 review...
Date: 18 Jan 1993 20:00:11 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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'>>Side by side, the A4000 with AGA is better than a 486 SVGA box using
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
'>>640x480 24bit, 800x600 15/16bit, or 1024x768 8bit.  Both machines are
'>>displaying the exact same 24bit source image and both are using the
'>>same make and model monitors...
'>
'>So get one.  No one is trying to stop you.  I use a 486 daily and like it
'>for what it does, but it cannot replace my A4000.  Find me a 486DX-50 with
'>at least 8M RAM, EISA and LocalBus, ATI Wonder with 2M VRAM, VGA-to-NTSC 
'>adapter, GUS (you know that is a redneck word used as an insult, don't you?), 
'>Ethernet adapter, a non-clickety-clack keyboard, OS/2, and all of the apps 
'>that I've purchased over the last 7 years for less than the cost of an A4000 
'>(~$2500), and then maybe we'll talk...

	I wasn't trying to convince you to get a 486.  In your previous post,
   YOU were trying to convince ME that an A4000 with AGA is better then a
   486 SVGA box with 640x480 24bit, 800x600 15/16bit, or 1024x768 8bit.  This
   is a rather limited view of graphics on 486's, is it not?  There are many
   different graphics cards out there that deliver better then that and are
   now standard on many systems in the A4000's price range.  That's all I 
   was saying.

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu

'>Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
'>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
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