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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 08:44:30 CDT
From:         steve <SPAM@TAMVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Samuel Clemens in Space
              14 Oct 1992 18:49:33 GMT from <jerrett@IASTATE.EDU>

Re: Sam Clemens.

I think it's interesting how often Clemens appears on television programs,
either in a futuristic context or in supposed "real" situations (i.e.
Bonanza).  Mostly these characterizations follow the Disney-type iconography.
But why Clemens?  Why not Walt Whitman, or Thoreau?  Any ideas?

Steve Harris
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Subject:      Re: Writers and their lovers. Help!!

From:    Lana Brown, VIARC, IRD
How about Anais Nin's husband? This is easily researchable in her Diary. There
is also a film based on her Diary--"Henry and June." This would bring in some
interesting stuff about Nin's extramarital relationship with Henry
Whats-his-Name and also her female lover (Henry's flame). Nin's husband was
not a literary guy, so that would leave you lots of room for speculation
without having to consult HIS works. By the way, both the movie and Nin's
works are beautiful erotica, and I don't usually like erotica.
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:55:48 -0500
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Subject:      Re: Name This Boat!

How 'bout *Gravity's Levity*?

michael mcdonald
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From:         Mia T <MKISSIL@DREW.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Writers and their lovers. Help!!

                                        Date:     09-Oct-1992 09:42am EST
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Subject: RE: Writers and their lovers. Help!!

I don't know about Joseph Conrad's lover becoming a fascist, but I do
remember hearing/reading somewhere that he suffered terrible insecurities
about his writing, and that it never came easily to him, because of writing
through three different languages (i.e., he spoke Polish by birth, learned
French in his teen years and only later learned English, the language he
wrote in).  Anyway, my point is that supposedly his wife was the only
person who could deal with his insecurities and the migrains that resulted
thereof.

I too thought of James and Nora Joyce.  Good luck; this is an interesting
and challenging project.

Tatiana
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Subject: Re: Help again!! Lovers and writers
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:08:02 GMT
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What about James Joyce?  Many have argued that Gretta in "The Dead," Molly
in _Ulysses_ and Anna in _Wake_ are  indebted to Nora, but she never
wrote (at least nothing literary).  You might see the biography of
her--_Nora_.

Mark Hawthorne
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From: sjgreen@cs.toronto.edu (Steve Green)
Subject: Help with a quote
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Date: 9 Oct 92 02:22:13 GMT

Hello everyone.

I have foolishly entered into a bet to see if I can determine the
source of a particular line from a play.  The play is from the 20th
century (loosely defined as any time from 1901 to 1979) and was
written by a "well-known" male author.  I also know that the play was
originally written in English.

Unfortunately I know next to nothing about literature.  Fortunately I
*do* know about Usenet.

The line is:

"I know, but I'm of opinion that ocasionally an anti-climax can be
surprisingly effective."

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Steve Green
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From:         Elise <EZAPPAS@DREW.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Writers and their lovers. Help!!

                                        Date:     09-Oct-1992 01:08pm EST
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Subject: RE: Writers and their lovers. Help!!

On your writers and lovers project--I would consider doing Lord Byron and
his half-sister, Augusta Leigh.  It has never been proven that they were
lovers, but there is strong evidence, and it has always been believed by
many.  She was a strong, interesting character.  Several good books to look
at are:  My Dearest Augusta; A Biography of Augusta Leigh, Lord Byron's
Half-sister, by Peter Gunn (Atheneum, 1968)
         Medora Leigh; A History and an Autobiography. Ed. by Charles
Mackay (London, R. Bentley, 1869; New York AMS Press, 1973)
         Lord Byron's Family: Annabella, Ada and Augusta, 1816-1824, by
Malcolm Elwin (London: J. Murray, c1975)
        Lord Byron: Selected Letters and Journals. Ed. by Leslies A.
Marchand (Cambridge, Mass.: Belknap Press of Harvard Univ., 1982)

That was an amazing period in English poetry.  Byron and Shelley were good
friends, and Mary Shelley (who wrote Frankenstein under the influence of
the group) has plenty to say in her journals of the period.  Have fun!

Elise T. Zappas
EZAPPAS@DREW.DREW.EDU
Drew University Library
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QE III (but try not to run aground!)
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                                        Date:     07-Oct-1992 11:57am EST
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Subject: HUGHES AND PLATH










                                         Date:      06-Oct-1992 01:21pm EST
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Subject: Hughes and Plath



Hello Everyone,

I'm cross-posting on MODBRITS and LITERARY for this one.  I'm working on a
major paper on the British poet Ted Hughes and his wife, the American poet
Sylvia Plath, who committed suicide.  I'm interested in the poetry they
were writing during their courtship and marriage, and how it may have been
affected by their relationship and/or the differing influences of modern
British vs modern American poetry.  Any ideas?

                                 Thanks!

                                 Elise T. Zappas
                                 EZAPPAS@DREW.DREW.EDU
                                 Drew University Library
                                 Madison, NJ 07940
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From: jerrett@iastate.edu (Gregory A Jerrett)
Subject: Clemens v. Twain
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:30:19 GMT

I don't have any political reasons for sayig Clemens rather than Twain.
I think that it is a matter of professionalism.  If my professors heard
me referring to Twain they would know that I was either ignorant or forgetful
of their teachings.  Apparently in English departments around the country
it is considered proper to say Clemens.  It was no great secret who Mark Twain
was during his life, he i didn't use Mark Twain to hide his gender or 
protect his identity.  More recent examples might be like referring to 
Stephen King as Richard Bachman.  We know who really wrote those books (ion
both cases) so why not use their proper names.

Greg Jerrett
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Steven, thanks for mentioning Chuck D, and for clarifying the issue by
saying "that's the name they use when they produce the texts I study."

What say we discuss Chuck D's raps as literature . . . Do you have any
particular favorites?

Michael
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From:         "Lana Brown, VIARC, IRD" <VIAEM105@SIVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Plath and Hughes

From:    Lana Brown, VIARC, IRD
This isn't about Plath & Hughes, but I can only reply to existing notes right
Has anyone read Henry Dumas? If so, where would you "place" his works,
lierarily speaking? I mean, he's obviously not in the African American
naturalist/protest traditon ...nor in the group that immediately reacted
against it. (By the way, if you haven't read his strangely poetic fiction, DO!
Especially "The Ark of Bones," "The University of Man," and _Jonoah and the
Green Stone_.
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From:         Eston Martz <EMARTZ@A1.PSUPEN.PSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Writers and their lovers. Help!!
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How about Jean Paul Sartre and Simone de Beauvoir?  Several books about their
relationship have been printed recently, and it seems a less thoroughly
explored tryst than those of F. Scott n' Zelda or even Gertrude n' Alice.

Later,
Eston
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 07:46:46 -0700
From:         srubio@GARNET.BERKELEY.EDU
Subject:      Re: Samuel Clemens in Space
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Re: Why Clemens and not Whitman or Thoreau.

Whitman was a poet, Thoreau a "philosopher."  Neither profession allows for
the type of "dumb" sitcom humor that might land Mark Twain on "Bewitched."

But also, Mark Twain (not Samuel Clemens, it should be noted) is a famous
image/personality for many Americans, in ways that Whitman/Thoreau are not.
Even in 1992, I imagine that many people think of Mark Twain as that guy who
wrote kid's books like "Tom Sawyer."  The bitter Twain is not part of what
you refer to as the "Disney-type iconography."  The Disney Twain is a fairly
innocuous image that fits easily into just about any teevee setup.

It *would* be fun to see an episode of, say, "Star Trek: TNG" where the crew
meets up with various 19th c. literary figures, and Clemens turns out to be
the most obnoxious of them all (g).

Steven
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:45:28 EDT
From:         "Hortense Bates" <HLBATES@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Writers and Lovers

Originally I had thought of suggesting Goethe and any one of the many
women in his life -- depending what type of relationship one is
interested in writing about. But then I saw that everybody is suggesting
more modern writers and nobody has suggested D.H. and Freda (sp?)
Lawrence yet.

Hortense L. Bates
Data Services, University of Georgia Libraries
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From:         "(MM)" <mbm@PACSCL.UARC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Crosby
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Geoffrey Woolf's biography of Harry (and Caresse) _Black Sun_, has all the
information one would need.
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:10:00 EDT
From:         "Peter J. Schledorn" <UNCPJS@UNC.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Name This Boat!

> >How 'bout *Gravity's Levity*?
> >
> >michael mcdonald
>
> Bouncy enough, but with a Rainbow sloop, I think I prefer just "Gravity's"
> Still thinking about it.

Slightly off the topic, I occasionally see a car around town with a
vanity license plate that reads "A POETIC".

Happy weekend,
Peter
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From:         "(MM)" <mbm@PACSCL.UARC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      lovers
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I can't remember if any distinction was made in the beginning between mates/
lovers/spouses, or what, but Caitlin and Dylan Thomas are also a story.
Robert Lowell and the Englishwoman, his "Dolphin." I think of the remark
made by Seamus Heaney in regards to Lowell that he didn't like a man who
left a trail of weeping women. Perhaps that was not exactly the way he
phrased it, but it is rare, in fact, for writers to be held accountable
morally by later readers for their infidelities, betrayals, and such. Odd
how we treat it so benignly when in our own lives, when others among us,
who are not "important writers," behave in this way, we often judge them
quite harshly. For example, JOhn Cheever's life--was he hypocritical and
duplicitous, a liar to his wife? His gay life and heterosexual affairs are
mostly treated as disclosures of "yet a more complex man than we had thought."
I have no particular axe to grind about this; it just occurred to me a
little strange how much we accept of figures in the past, and especially
writers. But then, I guess we don't have all that many choices. It's a little
late to steer them into proper behavior. But it does get at the idea brought
up a little earlier, whether writers embody a special class of people.

MM
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:27:43 EDT
From:         Tim Johnson <PH408014@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Madoc

  I just got a copy of Cabell's _Witch Woman_
that I can call my very own this afternoon.
And, since I like y'all so much, I'm gonna share
my all time favorite James Branch Cabell quote,
which comes from this book.

    Yet, as it seemed, no other person heard that
  skirling music.  No other person willed to hear
  a music which doubtfulness and discontent made
  unexhilarating.  They thronged, instead, to hear
  the sugared and the grandiose music which Madoc
  peddled, and which, like a drug, buoyed up its
  hearers with self-approval as concerned the
  present and with self-confidence as touched what
  was to come.
    They listened, and they grinned complacently,
  who were - the kings and the archbishops and the
  barons and the plowmen alike, - each one of them
  already a skeleton and a grinning death's-head so
  very thinly veiled with flesh and hair.  They
  grinned, while at the feet of each lay crouched
  the inescapable gloom of his shadow, to serve as
  an ever-present reminder of that darkness which
  would presently leap and devour him.  Meanwhile
  they listened to the bedrugging music which Madoc
  peddled: and every heart made of red, moving dust,
  upon a brief vacation from the lawns and gutters
  of earth, was exulting.



                              -Tim
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:25:19 -0500
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Subject:      Re: Writers and their lovers. Help!!

To say that Maud Gonne was Yeats's mistress would be quite incorrect, no
matter how much he may have wished that to be the case.  Why not write on
Yeats's love affair with his wife?  It's widely understood that his
marrying at an an advanced age did a world of good for him, made him
downright cheerful for a while, yet I know of nothing that provides us with
a vivid image of what *she* was like, and what they were like as lovers
rather than as two people who found themselves married to one another.

Michael McDonald
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THE MYSTERIOUS STRANGER!  I was crazy about that book, when I was
10, and absolutely convinced that life was a dark joke.  It finally
WAS made into a low budget film that's out on video.  I couldn't
bring myself to watch it all the way through.  Cheesy special
effects, too.


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Subject:      Boat Name
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There are several names I would like for a boat:
"Lady of the Lake" brings the Arthurian legends to mind.
"Pride and Prejudice" seems to have an inherent jocularity about it.
"Red Rover" uses the title of a Fenimore Cooper novel.

For naming children we always used the list of names at the back of a diction-
ary.  After seeing our miserable contributions, you may resort to that
uninspired but reliable source too.

David Tomlinson
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:21:39 -0400
From:         IAN YORK <YORK@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA>
Subject:      Re: lovers of writers

        As a further comment on Beth Gallagher's thoughts on artists and their
lovers (Do artists tend to marry artists? - she doesn't think there's any par-
ticular pattern, and I agree) - any question which pools together (for example)
Oscar Wilde and Ernest Hemingway is unlikely to find any pattern.
        Incidentally, I hadn't intended to make any suggestions re lovers but
I see one has reared its ugly head spontaneously: how about Wilde and whats-
his-face? - lots of information, and room for speculation on effects on Wilde's
work.
        Ian
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Subject:      Re: Writers and their lovers. Help!!
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Harry and Caresse Crosby.

John Coryell.
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From:         BAG <gallaghe@SIAM.ORG>
Subject:      lovers of writers
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Susan F. wonders whether artists tend to attach themselves to
people who are equally creative or not. Thinking back on famous
artists and their mates and on artists that I know personally, I would
guess that there is just no pattern or, at best, that the pattern has
changed over time. I think it has alot to do with personality type
(and artists come in all types), just as anyone's choice of mate has
to do with personal needs, upbringing, etc.

I guess implicit in this question is a concept of the artist as
someone who is somehow different or who has different needs than the
rest of the population. We never find ourselves asking whether
accountants marry accountants, do we? (Although perhaps an interesting
corollary is the fact that a female MD that I know insists that female
drs. tend to marry male drs. because most other men are too
intimidated by a female MD--would the same be true of female
artists? How much of a role does ego play in this question (since
the stereotypical artist has a huge but fragile ego)? This could cut
both ways: an artist could be intimidated by having another artist
around or (s)he could feel validated and improved by it.)

Also, anytime you talk about couples and their professions, you have
to take into account how being part of a couple has often _determined_
a woman's professional and personal situation. What would Nora have
been today? What does the fact of Simone de Beauvoir's independent
professional reputation say about Sartre, his ego, his attitude toward
his own work, etc.? Think about Eliz. Barrett Browning and Camille
Claudel. _Very_ different situations, to be sure, but both bring up
alot of interesting and complex questions about artistic judgment, the
role of sexual politics in this issue, the role of ego,....


Just some thoughts--
Beth Gallagher
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Subject:      boat
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Gravity's Rainbow

Floaters


Bobber


Sinker


John Brown
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Please remove,

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from your list serve. This person is no longer a user on our system

Thanks,
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