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From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
Subject: Re: alright, a new question
Organization: The Evil Fascist IRC Admins From Hell, Inc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:29:19 GMT

Kevin> == Kevin F Hulme <v120p993@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu> 

 Kevin> Think also: Geauga lake- a fairly big park, but by no means a
 Kevin> coaster heaven.  Cedar Point , in the last 10-15 years has
 Kevin> establshed itself as A, if not THE, Coaster Heaviweight in our
 Kevin> country. I will not be surprised to see it there next year, but
 Kevin> as you said, time will tell. (Is it possible that people in
 Kevin> important positions are doing everything possible to keep this
 Kevin> ride erection a secret? It is a MAJOR coaster event....)

Yeah, but Geauga Lake has been doing "firsts" for years. One of the
oldest Carousels in the country, the first "Wet & Dry" Park for one
price. 

Due to the recession, GLP (short for Geauga Lake Park :) has had trouble
keeping attendance up. They broke 1,000,000 guests for the first time in
1988, did it again in 1989, 1990,  but not in 1991. They might with 1992 with
their Bungee Jumping (another "first"). 

 Kevin> Those park employees also said that they have seen "prototypes"
 Kevin> (drawings/ video; I am not sure) of the ride; they said it
 Kevin> concludes with a six loop spiral. They also said that the design
 Kevin> of the ride has been changed, that the cars will be completely
 Kevin> ENCLOSED, for safety reasons. Again, take it with a grain of
 Kevin> salt, but if the ride was not coming to CP, how the hell did
 Kevin> they know all this or make this story up so quickly?

Last I remember, when Geauga Lake debuted their Raging Wolf Bobs in
1988, they had drawings back as far as 1985-1986, and some prototypical
ones even earlier. 

GLP has had rumours for the past couple of years about the pipeline.
(These rumours haven't been started in foods or merchandise, etc, but
have come from fairly high up in Park Operations Management).

--Helen

Disclaimer: I'm not affiliated with Geauga Lake in any way except as an
ex-empoloyee and ex-seasons' pass holder.

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From: maglione@media.mit.edu (Tom Maglione)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Lake Compounce update.
Summary: Nothing good to report.
Date: 30 Aug 92 20:53:00 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

I had written here recently and asked for phone numbers or some other way to
find out about Lake Compounce opening and/or running the Wildcat next
weekend (Labor Day weekend). Cheri from this group suggested calling the
phone number in Guide to Ride, which I did. This same number was listed in
Tim O'Brien's book and in Jim Reed's book, but the number is out of service.
I am also out of resources to call at the moment.

Does anyone out there have any idea who to contact or what the details are?
Labor Day weekend is approaching very quickly.

Tom "I'd like to ride the LC Wildcat in 92" Maglione
From: maglione@media.mit.edu (Tom Maglione)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: The Bat
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:24:08 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

In article <183hl3INNlel@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cf170@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin R. Russell) writes:
>
>In a previous article, buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com () says:
>
>>Kevin R. Russell writes:
>>
>>>I have contacts in the industry.
>>>
>>>have a nice day woodieheads
>>
>>I have contacts in the industry as well, but I don't tout
>>such an ATTITUDE on the net becuase of it.
>>
>>
>>just my 0.02...
>>B.
>>
>Buck- Sorry for the attitude you percieved in my message RE:the bat
>I was replying to a message asking for the source of my information,
>and who I was.
>
>I do not feel at liberty to answer those questions, so I gave the 
>answer that you took offence to.
>
>Again I apoligize
>
>-- 
>Kevin Russell	"The best roller coaster ride I ever had was when 
>cf170		I cracked three ribs" 
>		Unidentified ACE member

Sorry Kevin, but I just have to keep this thread going. I tend to agree with
Buck that your response seems very surreptitous. And I have some light to
shed on your quote from the unidentified ACE member: that person is none
other than Bill Beatty, who was commenting on the results of his exclusive
ride session on the Texas Giant when ACE was there for our convention a 
couple of years ago.
Tom "let the light shine" Maglione
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From: rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.)
Subject: Shuttle Loopers (was Re: Drachen Fire at Busch Gardens, VA
Keywords: drachen fire
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:48:13 GMT

(Geoff Allen) writes:
>	You really really really really want to ride a Schwarzkopf
>	shuttle loop.
>
>Known locations of such a beast are:
>
>	Six Flags Astroworld, in Houston, TX, where it's called 
>	Greezed Lightnin'
>
>	Great America, in Santa Clara, CA, were it's called Tidal Wave
>
>and
>
>	Knott's Berry Farm, in Buena Park, CA, where it's called
>	Montezooma's Revenge.



I wonder if someone out there knows more about these wonderful
beasties than I do...it seemed to me that the Tidal Wave was
different from Greezed Lightnin' and Montezooma's Revenge. It
seemed to have some kind of counter-weight, and the train
gained momentuem all the way to the loop -- whereas G.L. and
M.R. both start VERY STRONG but begin to lose speed 
just before the loop.


Any thoughts?
Rendell
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From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Subject: Batman video in a Fox commercial
Originator: wjf@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:54:58 GMT



To others out there that video tape coasters off of TV,
   Fox broadcasting is going to start a Batman animated series soon.  As a promo,
they have been running an ad on Saturday morning cartoons (8am? to 11am?) for
their show.  They are having a contest whereby, if you send in a post card
(before early Sept. like the 6th or 7th) to them with the name of your favorite
Batman villain, and you win, the first prize is one day at each of the 7
different Six Flags parks, in a row.  That is 7 continuous days, with each day
being at a different Six Flags Park.  I didn't see anything that would stop
adults from entering.  Perhaps tonight, if I remember, I will get the address and
post it for all who might want to send in.  The ad contains several 4 or 5 second
shots of Batman, the Ride.  So if you are interested in coaster video segments
like I am, you may want to set up your VCR for this Saturday morning.  There may
even be some promos during this week on Fox in the mornings (if they have kids
programming) or in the afternoon after school. 

                     Bill "I spend too much time in front of my TV" Figie
From: cehagen@ugly.ucs.indiana.edu (Christopher E. Hagen)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Kentucky Kingdom 1994!!!!
Summary: KK plans to install a recordbreaking coaster....
Keywords: BIG
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:16:17 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University


      ...I was at KK this week and I happened to run into one of the big shots
there again. (Well, OK, I chased him down :) Anyways, I asked more questions
about prospects for 94 and he said this:


  "We hope to build a record-breaking coaster, something that will put us on
the map and into the big-league." He feels that they have captured the local 
audience quite well, and now wants to expand to capture a more regional
audience, esp. people from Nashville, Indianapolis, Evansville, Lexington etc.

  The only specs that he would tell me is that it will def. be a steel 
rollercoaster... I asked him if it was one of the new B&M rollercoasters and
he said "no", that he was trying for something record breaking in the sence 
that there would be no others like it in the world, at least at first. Given 
the amount of Vekoma rides and the contracts they have with them (the
park is about 60% Vekoma rides,) could they be working on some new type of
design??? 

  He hopes to open a whole new section of park for this ride, which will be on
the other side and behind the gravel parking lot that is next to the waterpark.
There will be some type of transportation system linking all three sections, 
probably a minature train. The plans for this new section will be released
in parts, starting sometime this winter (I guess they need investors to help 
expand???)

  The good news is this: after all the re-investments made to keep the park
open after the disaster back in 88, they have surpassed their hopes 
this summer by 40%... So this WILL be a major local/regional park for a long
time.

  My worry is this: after 97 or so, they will be less than a mile from the end 
new runway of our airport... I wonder what will happen then?

 Oh yeah-- that would also preclude them from building anything much higher 
than 20 stories... they have a 20 story tall vekoma ferris wheel, but I wonder
how much higher than that they can go.....  oh well, I'll shut up for now...

-chris
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From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 14:57:23 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Subject: Re: Wood coaster for Great Adventure????
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Keywords: 

wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie) writes:
>
>			Bill "I like the name Cyclops" Figie

I think ``Ninja'' or ``Vortex'' would be much better.


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        **             **
        **             **
         **           **
          *************
             *******



Seriously, though, Cyclops is sort of weird name.  It would fit if the
coaster were a twister with a lift hill sticking up out of the middle of
it, though...

Geoff ``I've never ridden a coaster named Ninja, but have ridden two
named Colossus'' Allen

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From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Summer 1992 RollerCoaster! magazine.
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:01:51 GMT
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Tom "thesis hell" Maglione writes:

>Because I work for the magazine, I am privy to advance issues 
>mailed to me via first class. Yesterday I got a copy of the 
>summer 1992 issue, and I just had to post something here, 
>because Bill Buckley has his photo in it!
>
>Alright, so I also got the cover photo, too, and I finally got 
>my letter to the editor with corrections in it published, too. 
>But I just couldn't resist blabbing the news about Buck! (sorry Buck).

Thanks for the plug, Tom.  Now all you NET noters can put a face with
the Attitude/Opinions_from_hell!  8^)


Kudos to Tom for another OUTSTANDING cover photo of Kentucky Kingdom's
Grand_Slammer -- THUNDER RUN.  It's a *beautiful* picture, Tom ... you
should be VERY proud!!


Buck, the forever opinionated...

PS - I never did get my TEXAS GIANT opinions in to Tom, so here they
are in abstract form (and better late than never):

A fun ride, but I wouldn't wait in line over 40 minutes for it!
I wish they would LOOSE those single, racheting lap bars, and go
for the TIMBERWOLF-style PTC trains (single bar, sans head rests).
I wish Six Flags had not re-profiled the 2nd and 5th drops for
less severe negative g's -- in fact, I think this coaster needs
STRONGER negative g forces (esp. in the final stretch to the brake 
run)!!  Also, I would use a more consistant track/wheel lubcrication 
for maximum speed and performance.  I hate when those trains are 
squeeling around that track!!  8^(  Lastly, I would permanently 
remove all those useless trim brakes, and re-profile the double 
helix section for more thrills -- it's the only "doggy" part of 
the ride imho.

...but like Six Flags would do ANY of the above...sha...not!
From: cumminje@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (James E. Cummings)
Subject: Re: The Bat
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:38:15 GMT

Distribution: world

In article <4917@news.duke.edu> dave@panda.mc.duke.edu (Dave Hoffman --  
rjj) writes:
> In article <1992Aug27.145333.28014@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>  
cf170@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin R. Russell) writes:
> >
> >The Bat was built with insufficient banking on the turns.  
> >The cost to fix the ride was more than Kings felt the ride was
> >worth, especially considering all the bad PR.  
> >
> 
> I had heard somewhere that part of the problem with the Bat was that the  
ground
> it was on was too soft.  Probably just hearsay, though.
> 
If that was true they probably wouldn't have put the Vortex in the same  
spot.
From: v120p993@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Kevin F Hulme)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Hey Buck, have a Heineken and relax, Please.
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:42:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Hello, again. This is in response to Buck's pissy message that he was so 
offended that I heard 2 park employees tell me that Cedar Point was getting
the Pipeline in 1993. You sound as though you are tired of roller coaster
lightweights like me spreading around info they hear (true or not) to try
to help others know what may or may not be happening in the future. You
sound as though your knowledge is exclusive to common people like me. Well
champ, I am sorry- I guess the two park employees behind me in line for the
Demon Drop lied or were misinformed, as they told me about next year. They
did also tell me about that water attraction you told me of; and they also
said that if Pipeline was not built in 1993, 1994 for sure. They also told
me that Cedar Point owns rights to the ride, and they said this statement
convincingly. Who's lying Buck, me, the park employees, or both?

Has this been brought up before, about Pipeline 1993, in Cedar Point? Buck,
you treated me as though I was beating an untrue dead horse. I am sorry,
your worship.

                 Apologies from someone who tried to spread the word he heard,
                               Kevin Hulme

Buck-- try Heineken, really.
From: edg@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (edwin.g.green)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Batman
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:38:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug26.210931.16046@bert.eecs.uic.edu> artn@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Ellyn Sandor) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>	The climb to the first drop was rapid, and perhaps a bit
>noisy (I think they added something to make it noisier).  The rest of
>the ride is a high-speed blur.  Vertical loops like silk, no jarring,
>just a smooth swoop up and over.  I normally don't like corkscrew loops,
>with all the head-banging into the straps.  The corkscrews on Batman
>are effortless.  We rode twice and I can't remember if there are 2 or
>3 corkscrews.
>	The ride struck me as a new dynamic in rollercoasters, less linear.
>Every roller coaster I've been on before felt like it was designed on
>paper, using a T-square and a slide rule.  Batman feels like it was
>computer generated, a single B-spline.  I would love to see a colored
>plot of the force vectors along the ride.

Where did you ride?  Our first ride (8/20) was in the first row.  I
felt like I really took a beating and my chest was bruised for a couple
of days afterward.  The cork screws (I believe there are three of them)
seemed to throw me around the most. The next day we rode in the very
last row.  The ride seemed much smoother, but the view was lost.  Although
it was painful (to me at least), I enjoyed the ride in the front row the
most.  It's an awesome coaster.

[suff deleted]

>
>			Stephan Meyers
>-- 
>--

Ed
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From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 16:57:13 GMT
Organization: WINCO
Subject: CONNEAUT LAKE -- CLOSING!!!
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

A T T E N T I O N !!!

E M E R G E N C Y !!!


If you haven't rode the Conneaut Blue Streak, make fast plans!

If you've rode it, and want to ride it again, make fast plans!


Conneaut Lake Park announced this week that Labor Day weekend,
1992, will be their last operating day as a major amusement park!
CLP will be de-installing ALL of their major rides at the end of
this year to change over to a "family" park for next year (eg -
water rides, mini golf, batting cages, etc.).  Current plans are 
for the Blue Streak to be SBNO next year, ? (DEMO'd) for '94.

FYI to all enthusiasts -- you have this weekend (8/28 - 8/30) and
next weekend (9/5 - 9/7) to ride this wonderful, classic (1937
Vettel) coaster -- the BLUE STREAK!


Letters of sorrow & disapprovement may be sent to:

Charlie Flynn
Owner, Conneaut Lake Park
RD 4 Box 283
Conneaut Lake, PA 16316


Buck, VERY sad, and who'll be there next weekend

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From: sharonc@meaddata.com (Sharon Crichton)
Subject: Old Kennywood Racer car at Station Square
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:07:36 GMT
Reply-To: sharonc@meaddata.com
Distribution: na

I don't know if anyone has ever posted about this, but Station Square in
Pittsburgh has one of the old (maybe original) cars from the Racer at
Kennywood. It's sitting out in the Bessemer Court Shops area across from
one of the entrances to the Station Square Shops (the entrance next to
Casual Corner). It's sitting next to an old foundry mold for an extremely
large gear wheel.

The car itself is in pretty bad shape - the seats are all ripped up, and
the light blue paint is fading. But it's got the old Racer logo that I
remember. There's also lots of junk littering the bottom of the car.

If you're into coaster preservation, and you happen to be in the Pittsburgh
area, you might want to stop down and take a look.  It's just sitting there
out in the open and unattended, so you can crawl around it (like I wanted
to do, but it's hard to do when you're in a business suit and heels :-)

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From: dweinste@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (David Weinstein)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Elitch Gardens, Denver ... Moving ?
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:59:54 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization


In article <2222@h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu> muth@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Wayne A Muth) writes:
#
#  Presumably, the Elitch Gardens amusement park in Denver is
#  changing to a new location this winter [i.e. from North
#  Denver to a new site in the old railroad yards adjacent to
#  "downtown" Denver ...

Elitch Gardens will not be moving to the new site until 1994. Now that
the funding is secure, construction and the early stages of the build
out will start this year, and continue through the 1993 season. At the
end of the 1993 season, they will move a limited number of the rides
to the new location. Initial reports from EG were that 8 rides would be
moved, and 15 new rides purchased. They are presently going through the
lists again to determine which rides they are bringing. Mister Twister,
The Sidewinder, the Carousel, the Rainbow, and the new (ugh) Ferris Wheel
have all been confirmed as going (the only real potential change might be
the loss of the Rainbow). They are seeking a buyer for the Wildcat (bad move,
bring it with! bring it with!).

--Dave


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From: artn@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Ellyn Sandor)
Subject: Batman
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:09:31 GMT

	Oh, my god.  It was incredible.

	I've never been on a suspended coaster before (I guess I'm not
as much of an afficionado [sp?] as some here).  My taste runs to steel
coasters, the woodies shake too much for me.  Waited in line for 90
or more minutes.  Scary, ugly, drunk people in line.
	This is SFGAm's first attempt at making some sort of visual
entertainment in line (a la disney) with a tableau including a smashed
police car and a lot of graffitti, Prince music, a batmobile, etc.
	The boarding area was very well done, a sort of batcave,
with a bank of TV monitors, a batsuit, etc.
	The ride.... oh, the ride!
	While we were waiting in line, we saw people getting off the
ride and cheering.  We made fun of them.  "What a loser, he thinks he's
cool because he actually rode on it!"  Afterwards, we understood.
	The climb to the first drop was rapid, and perhaps a bit
noisy (I think they added something to make it noisier).  The rest of
the ride is a high-speed blur.  Vertical loops like silk, no jarring,
just a smooth swoop up and over.  I normally don't like corkscrew loops,
with all the head-banging into the straps.  The corkscrews on Batman
are effortless.  We rode twice and I can't remember if there are 2 or
3 corkscrews.
	The ride struck me as a new dynamic in rollercoasters, less linear.
Every roller coaster I've been on before felt like it was designed on
paper, using a T-square and a slide rule.  Batman feels like it was
computer generated, a single B-spline.  I would love to see a colored
plot of the force vectors along the ride.
	Both rides were at night, and I look forward to experiencing this
during the day.
	Anyway, our party of four got off the ride cheering, running,
jumping, the fatigue of the 1 1/2 hours in line totally faded away.
Absolutely exhilarating.

	Wow.

			Stephan Meyers
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From: maglione@media.mit.edu (Tom Maglione)
Subject: Re: New sight this weekend!
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:09:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.164815.29383@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> cheri@decoy.uucp (24473-stead) writes:
>I was out at Lakemont, PA, this weekend on the Skyliner [good airtime in the
>front, great airtime in the rear!!], and saw something I'd never before 
>seen:  a dog riding the coaster!!!  He (she?) sat in the front seat.  It
>appeared that the owner was affiliated with the park, but we were still 
>surprised when the dog actually rode!  They both (the dog and the owner)
>seemed to enjoy it!  (FWIW, the dog looked like a full-size poodle.)

Interesting story about the coaster riding dog; there used to be another
one several years ago, I don't remember the names, but the dog got fairly
well known amongst coaster enthusiasts.
But I am more interested in what was happening to the Leap The Dips old
side-friction coaster at Lakemont; this ride is the oldest standing coaster
in North America, and is supposed to get rebuilt soon. Is there anything
going on there now with the coaster? Are the old cars still stored at the
coaster? Does it look like anything is happening or did you see any signs
indicating that something was going to happen?
Any news would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Tom Maglione


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