From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re:  Muslims killed in Yeguslavia
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:26:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.160408.11417@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>
nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:

>In article <1992Aug14.174402.10922@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
>saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:

>>In article <1992Aug14.130512.15061@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>
>>nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:

>>>In article <1992Aug11.122211.1273@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
>>>saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:

>>>>In article <1992Aug08.150753.18802@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>
>>>>nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:

>>>>>I admire Jews who are speaking up against these camps even though the Bosnians
>>>>>are Moslems.

>>                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>I'm not sure what you mean by "even though."  The vast majority of Jews
>>>>view this as a humanitarian issue, not a political or religious one.
>>>>Should we assume that the "even though" was because had we been discussing
>>>>Muslim reaction to Jews in camps similar concern would not have been shown
>>>>(a la the Jerusalem Mufti and his buddy Hitler)?

>>>Don't "Mufti" me now by making a relationship between the Mufti and Hitler.
>>>I said it because you consider there is a conflict between Jews and Islam
>>>and it was a good gesture to care for the Bosnian Moslem. Don't be ridiculous,
>>>a lot of Moslem countries faught on the side of the allies in WWII. If I was
>>>there, I would be the first one to protest the concentration camps.

>>Because I've never heard the word "Mufti" used as a verb, I can't be sure
>>I know when I'm not mufti-ing you.

>>In any event, I'm still curious about what you meant by "even though."
>>My mention of the Mufti was simply as an example of the ramifications
>>of what I think you might have meant.  Your response does not counter
>>my concern.

>I can substitute "despite" for "even though" in the above sentence. What
>I have seen in the past is that Jews defend the rights of another Jews.
>This time I saw Jews speaking out for Bosnian Moslems, which is good.
>Is that any clearer?

I can understand your ignorance of ancient Jewish history, but denying
knowledge of the more recent history of Jewish involvement in humanitarian
causes (for example helping Blacks in the 60s civil rights movement -
although I do admit that helped society as a whole) was the reason I think
your "even though" or "despite" were simply racist or antisemitic.  I
didn't give a damn about the semantics of which term you chose.  It was
the concept I find contemptible.

>I don't see any reason why you should involve the Mufti in this discussion.

I'll spell it out for the analogy-impaired.

The Mufti was an example of a Muslim who was glad to see Jews being
killed and certainly didn't do anything, even though he was a friend of
Hitler's, to save Jews.  On the other hand, Jews, without having
friends in high places, work to help the oppressed, even when Jews aren't
specifically the targets of that oppression.

Get it?

Nabil.  You've shown yourself as unable to comprehend this analogy and I
notice this thread has but two participants.  If you still don't
understand my complaint about your original post, let's continue this
privately.  If you have a real answer, you are certainly welcome to post
but I suspect even that would better serve the net if it were kept to
private mail.
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