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From: ma@bluedevil.Eng.Sun.COM (Shing C. Ma)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Olympic hoops referees
Date: 30 Jul 1992 16:22:53 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bluedevil

In article <1992Jul29.142243.14722@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney) writes:
>
>I'm sure you would be stupid enough to pay $40 a game to see
>Jordan/Bird/Magic and all the other superstars sitting on the bench
>after the ref treated them like Rick Fox, or Stanley Robberts.
>I'm sure you would shell out $1600+ a year to see the tenth and
>12th men playing 20+ minutes a game, because the ref called some
>petty calls on the stars.

A foul is a foul is a foul, no matter if a player is a superstar or
a rookie.  Are you saying that it is fair for a referee not to call
a foul on a superstar just because he should not foul out, so that
you can get your money worth?  This is BS.  Basketball is a sport
first and entertainment second.  There are rules in sports, and rules
should not be bent because of your $40 a game.

>Get a brain, if Laettner had even half as much game as Barkley, he might
>have seen some real pt.  Obviously Chuck Daly knows basketball.
>Aside from passing the ball to more competent players, Laettner has
>only done one thing right (he stripped one of the Angolan players on
>a 2 on one break.  Oddly enough, he was already down court before the
>Angolan team started the break, hmmmmmmm).

I was complaining about Barkely's sportsmanship, or rather lack of
sportmanship.  I was suggesting that Daly bench Barkley for lack of
sportamanship reasons.  Laettner has been rather productive -- look
at his stats taking into consideration his very few minutes -- so I
think he deserves more PT.  I did not say that Laettner is more talented
than Barkley.

>When I first saw this, I thought hey a guy from Sun's Engineering Dept
>who is obviously a rabid Duke bluedevil fan (Insistence that Laettner has
>enough game to beat out Barkley for a spot, with anything other than
>teenage girls).  But after reading your post I figure you must be
>a rabid Duke fan working in Sun's English Department.
>
>Have you ever checked out some of these cryptic manuals that Sun
>puts out.  Good Lord.

Ohhh, Gary Duhaney, this is indeed a mighty low blow.  Using the same
logic and reasoning as yours, one can  conclude that all Northeastern
students are illiterate.  I ain't gonna do it because I know it is not
true; furthermore, I have more class than that.

-shing
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Bullchit! Re: POGO-stick RETIRES (yes,aint kidding)
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:07:46 GMT
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT

In article <1992Jul23.121221.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>
tswilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Sly Fox) writes:
 
>Dennis Rodman, the Detriot Pistons' pogo stick will retire soon to concerate
>on his business in Houston. He said he is tired of NBA and have no motivate
>to play anymore.
 
Yeah, and Jordan is out with a broken jaw, and the Dream Team lost a game.
 
>
>I guess because of:
>
>1. Daly is not his coach anymore.
So why wouldn't he just try to get traded to NJ?
>
>2. William Bedford is not on the pine anymore.
Like he would care! I suppose VJ and Edwards weren't nearly as important
as good old William "I got potential, honest" Bedford
>
>3. Detriot is not Chicago Bulls.
Oh, and we *know* how he love those Bulls!
>
>4. Was never voted MVP or play in All-Star games.
This is factually wrong.
>
>5. Had plenty of money and need a stable life in Houston.
Right, he doesn't need the $$$ of an NBA star!
>
>6. Had the feeling that Pistons do not have any desire or chemistry to win.
Yeah teams just stop wanting to win after they get 2 championships!
If that is true, why did he wait 2 years to come up with it?
>
>7. Start life early.
 
And you expose your ruse by not mentioning something obvious like
depression over his recent divorce.
 
I notice you didn't give a source either, probably becuz "thin air"
doesn't sound too convincing.
 
Why bother when Detroiters like myself can expose you in an instant?
 
If there's any further doubt in anyone's mind, I'm listening to local
sports as I write this. There's no mention of this stupid rumor.
 
--Eric
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From: harryk@omews58.intel.com (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: Malone on Barkley
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:26:22 GMT

In article <Bs276n.HCq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sbulmahn@yoyodyne.ncsa.uiuc.edu (scooter) writes:
>
>Its too bad that stuff like that has to happen in the Olympics.  Maybe
>it has a place against opponents that play like horses-asses, like the
>Knicks, Pistons, etc.  But against Angola???  Sorry, Charles.

Really, it's too bad it happens in basketball at all.  In no other sport
that I'm aware of do people get so violent about playing.  I've never had
a problem playing volleyball.  It gets emotional and ref's get yelled at
and what not, but nothing like the conduct that happens on a b-ball court.
People have some respect for each other beyond just playing the game.  In
basketball it seems like a totally different mentality.  Hell, a fight is
an almost regular occurrence on a b-ball court, even at nicer clubs.
Doctors and Lawyers taking swings at one another - it's hilarious.  And I
won't even bother bringing up park ball.  Anyone else notice this besides
me?  Is it the game that leads to this, or do b-ball players in general take
themselves too seriously?  I mean, that's all it was  - Charles was taking
that game (or his part in it) too seriously and not understanding the
importance of the entire scenerio, only his little part in it.  The same
thing happens at our level as well.  It seems that basketball brings out
the this side in people more than any other sport.  Observations?  Answers?
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From: gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso)
Subject: Malone on Barkley
Organization: Motorola
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:02:14 GMT

On ESPN and my local news station, I heard Karl "The Mailman" Malone had
a few choice words on Barkley....(i.e. he ripped him).  Anyone have the
story and what was said?????

Thanks in advance!!!!

==========================================================================  
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Motorola, Inc.
Schaumburg, Illinois

"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any vice president,
 and that one word is 'to be prepared'."
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From: jjehlers@flapjack.dsd.es.com (Jennifer Ehlers)
Subject: Re: Stockton????
Organization: Evans & Sutherland
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 15:34:47 GMT


I talked with Sparky, the Jazz trainer, last night.  He said they have
been doing everything to try and heal Stocks leg faster.  He said it is
an injury that basically takes 6 weeks to heal no matter what you do.
John is in Monte Carlo with the team.  He is working out in a pool with
a wet vest so he doesn't have to put any pressure on his leg.  He is
also riding a life cycle and lifting weights.  They are letting him walk
on it a little.

Sparky said their goal is to have him able to play in the medal round
which starts August 4th.  That way he can get a medal.  He may be ready
before then, but they aren't pushing it.

Sparky made the comment that after John broke his leg, that he had never
seen John look so sad and dejected about anything.  He really wants to
play in the olympics, and I heard that the other players voted that they
didn't want him replaced.  John is such a fierce competitor, that when
he comes back he'll come back full speed, probably not just for token
appearences.

-- 
  Jennifer Ehlers                   
  jjehlers@dsd.es.com  		    
  Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp. 
  Salt Lake City, Utah               
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From: skprimus@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Siu Kai Ho)
Subject: USA v Angola
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 05:30:08 GMT

    I had my first look at the Dream Team last night and... man...
it was brilliant!
    The game started slow with both sides even at 7 after a few minutes.
Then the DT went on a 31-0 run! which was ended by a stupid technical
foul by Barkley in which Angola made 1 FT.  Otherwise it would have
been a 46-0 run!!  I couldn't believe it myself although they were
helped by very poor shot selection by their opponents in that time.
(ie. they were shooting from really far out ~NBA 3pt area)
    The DT led by 48 at half time and I thought maybe a record or
two would be broken.  Most of the time the DT would score after less 
than 5 seconds of possession.  Almost all baskets were layups or dunks.
    However they slacked off in the 2nd half and only won by 68.
(probably took pity on opposition)  They let Angola shoot 3's more
openly and they had better shot selection.
    Looks like the 100 pt margin is not attainable because the other 
team can just hold the ball for 30 sec.
    The Angolan team took and made more 3ptr than 2ptrs...<smile>
My thoughts on the DT:
1. They looked much better with Magic on the court in the middle of
the fastbreak making pretty passes for layups,dunks
2. I don't know if Barkley should be in the DT now.  He elbowed someone 
after he made a layup.  Totally unnecessary.  (and it's only a
play-around Olympic game too)
3. Who scores how many points does not matter because it was just
whoever was in the right place for a layup that scored.  (whoever 
runs to the other end fastest?)
4. Larry Bird ran quite fast on some layups.
5. If the DT wants records then they should shoot more 3's on
fastbreaks. (layups and dunks are prettier though) and employ a
full-court press.
6. They will look better when another PG (Stockton) plays when Magic
is substituted. (For pushing the ball up the court faster)
7. The DT doesn't even need a half-court game.
                                                   SKH
Didn't expect to see much of the DT from Australia...
Wish the Aussie commentators would f*@$#@#$! stop saying "Mullins",
pisses me off like hell...

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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: JORDON OUT WITH BROKEN JAW!
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:23:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.161929.28599@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:
>>P.S. With the DreamTeam playing....I have found a new respect for
>>Jordon, Pippen, and especially Barkley.........
>
>Maybe if you really respected Jordan you'd learn how to spell his name.
>
>--Gidi
>
>

This has been distressing for me too.  Just how many basketball fans
that can't even spell Michael Jordan's name...


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From: harryk@omews58.intel.com (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: Malone on Barkley
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:14:11 GMT

In article <16832916A.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
> 
>>Really, it's too bad it happens in basketball at all.  In no other sport
>>that I'm aware of do people get so violent about playing.  I've never had
> 
>Seen a baseball game lately? Ever see a hockey game?

NHL doesn't count - fighting's in the RULES, it's part of the game.  How
many fights would there be if the NBA had a penalty box instead of $10K
fines and game suspensions without pay?  Face it, fighting in the NHL is
for $$$.  Anyways, I'm talking more than just pro's, I'm talking something
inherent to the game.  There's probably less fights in club hockey than
the NHL, while there are tons more fights in park ball than the NBA, which
really helps make my point.  Besides that, NHL players also don't seem to
take the checking and physical play as personally as NBA players - it's
just part of the game.


>>themselves too seriously?  I mean, that's all it was  - Charles was taking
>>that game (or his part in it) too seriously and not understanding the
>>importance of the entire scenerio, only his little part in it.  The same
> 
>Yeah just go and rationalize it becuz Charles is so f*ucking cute, right?
>He's not like one of those scummy Pistons thugs like Isiah, right?

Pistons!?!?  Who mentioned the Pistons?  Why are Detriot fans so damn
sensitive - *The world does not revolve around you*.
 

>I learned basketball growing up in a tough east-side neighborhood in Detroit.
>I'm sure that a few fights may have broken out, but I have no specific
>recollection of any fighting, which would tell me that fighting wasn't a
>regular part of it then.

Wow, that's interesting.  I guess the safest place in Detroit is on a
basketball court.  :-) - for the humor impaired, which it looks like
most Piston fans are.
From: vreddy@husc3.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Stojko Vrankovic
Date: 29 Jul 92 01:28:48 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

This is a rather simple post, but I have been up here in Boston for about a
year now, and not even in practice have I seen Stojko Vrankovic play as well
as he did in the USA vs. Croatia match, including his rather awesome stuff
(block) of Pippen (I think it was Scottie... I could be wrong). I realize
he doesn't get the playing time here in the NBA, but even from what I have
seen in practices/scrimmages, he just plain played better in the Olympics.
Any ideas? Perhaps the pride and patriotism of playing for his newly
liberated country? I dunno... help me out, Celtics fans...

-- Venk Reddy --

PS: Is he goign to be around next year, or have they dumped him, or did he
leave...? Last I heard, he was pissed off at the Celts, and so he was planning
to leave, although they want to keep him. I don't know if any of that is true.
Any information? Thanks...
From: dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: REAL TripleCast Numbers (was Re: Olympic Tripl...)
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:17:21 GMT
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

>Oh sure you can! All you need to know is a TV set and a cable wire...:-)
>You'll be thrilled to know that 47 million homes that receive NBC's
>CNBC,fiancial+consumer new buisness channel, will have access to
>PPV replays starting tomorrow at 6pm to 10pm and 1am to 4am.
>The screen will be divided in quarters showing the action on Red,Blue,
>and White plus the graphics.
>
>On a desperation front : NBC is even cutting rates for a daily
>coverage from $29.95 to $19.95(some areas are already down to $14.95)
>and will offer two-day special rate for the weekend of $29.95.
>
>I wonder if $125 purchasers or $29.95 a day(last four days) like you will start screaming 
>over the these giveways and want to see how peeved you're when strongly rumored plans
>of unscrambled PPV coverage will be going on line next weekend... 
>
>-Mark

Well, I just heard that GRC (Greater Rochester Cablevision) will be descrambling
its PPV signal this weekend to entice viewers to purchase it for the final week.
'
I am looking forward to it. I mean I would like to watch it for FREE. I am NOT
going to buy the package after the free sample is over but its nice to see
the Cable systems struggle w/ PPV.

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From: vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Are Da Bulls Dying?
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:47:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Jul28.134727.28041
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <1992Jul27.152833.27361@brtph560.bnr.ca>, markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul24.123424.14134@husc3.harvard.edu> vreddy@husc3.harvard.edu writes:
[...]
|> 
|> The Knicks would certainly be the team to beat if Magic comes to play for
|> them, but I hate to bust your bubble.  Magic is signed through 1994 with the
|> Lakers and getting him would cost either half of the Knicks or Ewing, and
|> that would *seriously* change the outlook!
|> 

Yeah, I realize that... Just a few rumors spreading around... of course they came from NY, so... :)


|> I'm not so convinced that Rolondo is the solution to all of their problems,
|> but I do agree the Knicks have a better chance of beating the Bulls.  On 
|> a related note, I look for the Bulls to be adding a key player or two (rumors
|> or Kukoc, Gerald Wilkins and Derek Harper, have been around...), and if so,
|> the Knicks chance go back to where they were last year (in comparison to the
|> Bulls).
|> 

Last I heard, they are giving Kukoc some obnoxiously high offers, to the point 
that they have annoyed Michael Jordan, who is upset because he believes, and rightfully so, that he deserves more, if they are going to offer Kukoc so much.

[...]
|> 
|> -- 
|> |_ o_O              Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
|> |W   |\               Bell Northern Research, Inc.              _        O
|> |   / \                       Heels in 93!                     / |_      |\
|> |        before...            Bulls in 93!           after... |   W  o  /|

-- Venk --
From: rasdald@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: 1990 Goodwill Games team
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:43:16 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

>	Tommy Amaker, Duke
>	Steve Kerr, Arizona
>	David Robinson, Navy
      Totally dominated the game during his time (college), even more than 
      Shaq.  He was almost a given to score if he touched the ball in the post.
      Look at the UK NCAA game for anyu more convince.  D-Team member.

>	Charles Smith, Pittsburgh
      Quality forward for his time.  Still a quality player.  Almost all-star

>	Kenny Smith, North Carolina
>	Tyrone "Mugsy" Bogues, Wake Forest
      Both super quick and fast guards today.  Both do an excellent job in the
      pros.  Can really move with the ball.

>	Sean Elliott, Arizona
      Good versitile player.  Really super star in college.  Could hang with 
      any player on the foreign circuit.

>	Rony Seikaly, Syracuse
      Strong inside help off the bench.  Today could make any team.

>	Tom Hammonds, Georgia Tech
>	Armon Gilliam, UNLV
      Good bakup in post.

>	Derrick McKey, Alabama
      Nice addition.  Really looked powerful in the pros for a little while.

>	Brian Shaw, Cal - Santa Barbara
      His talent was hid at a smaller school.  Good guard for the team.
>

    So we have 1 Dream team member and 3 stars and 5 quality players.  Granted 
    this team was young then and maybe not as developed for its time, but I can 
    honestly say.  I think this team had more talent than the Olympic team.  I 
    think that with a bunch of raw talent and good calls and a touch of luck. 
    This team could beat the team.  I think the Russiams became frustrated 
    and were caught off guard by this team, but I think this is one quality team
    that would be one top notch NBA team.  I think many NBA teams could win the 
    Olympics, also.   Good well rounded and quick team!!


    Dow Rasdall
          
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From: milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Hornets B-ball
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:14:35 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <92202.084501JGARLITZ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> JGARLITZ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>The Hornets were a center away from being a team that would compete in
>the playoffs.  Now with Alonzo Mourning as their center, the Hornets are
>the team to watch for the playoffs next year.  I have no doubts that this
>team with the backup support of Larry Johnson and Rex Chapman will be able
>to go over the .500 mark next season.

Sorry, but Rex now plays with the Bullets. He was traded for Tom Hammonds
at the close of last season. The Hornets needed more room under the salary cap.
But even without Rex, the Hornets should battle the Heat for the right to be
destroyed by the Bulls in the first round next year.
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: 1988 "Dream" (nightmare) Team
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:53:59 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

[questions about 1988 Olympic team]

	Well, as far as Hawkins outside shooting, he was 5-7 from 3-pt
	range.  Charles Smith (Georgetown) was 4-7, Jeff Grayer was 3-4,
	and Dan Majerle was 6-14.  Not bad percentages.  The fact is that
	they didn't take enough 3's, while the opponents took 2.5x more
	3's and sank 48.2%.

	Yes, Majerle was the leading scorer at 14.1 ppg.  David Robinson
	checked in second at 12.8, and Danny Manning was third at 11.1.
	Charles Smith (Pitt) finished 6th on the team in scoring at 7.8 ppg.
	I could post the stats if U wish.

	Jazzy J
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: WORTHY/STARKS Trade?
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:57:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.023530.3215@scott.skidmore.edu> mmilitzo@scott.skidmore.edu (matthew militzok) writes:
>WFAN in new york, reported that the Knicks and the Lakers are working
>on a James Worthy/John Starks trade..  any thoughts?
>sounds like an interesting trade, one that could make the knicks the
>best team in the NBA next year.
>  

I think this would be a somewhat bittersweet trade, if it comes off.
John showed last year the ability, with a bit more experience, to be
one of the better shooting guards in basketball, and with James' ad-
vanced age, could be a bit much to give up for him straight up. But,
I agree that, short term, James could put us in a position to have a
shot at the finals if he can stay healthy.  I'm glad I'm not the one
who has to make this decision.
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From: pef1@quads.uchicago.edu (p.e.freeman esq.)
Subject: Re: Olympic hoops referees
Reply-To: pef1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:41:52 GMT

+ = gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)

->In article <l7b7c5INN1gi@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> ma@bluedevil.Eng.Sun.COM (Shing C. Ma) writes:
->
->Also the bullshit of not calling fouls at the end of a close game
->is equally ridiculous.  A foul is a foul whether it is a blow-out
->or the end of a close game.  What's this BS about the US volleyball
->team complaining about the yellow card during the game point of
->the Japan-US game? If you violate the rules you pay for it, even if
->the game is on the line.

+ Obviously we know what team you're rooting for SHING.

+ Good Lord.

Yep, Shing Ma, about as Japanese as, oh, Duhaney.

If you're going to stereotype, assume that he roots for the U.S. and hates the
Japanese based on events in the 1930 and 40s.  Oh, but then, those Asians are
all the same, a Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere out to get all us good
flag-waving high-fiving want-to-be-like-Mikeing Americans.

pef