HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: seeta@eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju UdayaBhaskar Sarma)
Subject: Re: Hindu-Muslim Clashes in Bombay/Delhi -
Reply-To: seeta@eng.wayne.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Wayne State University, Detroit Michigan, USA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:15:15 GMT

 (Girish) writes:
-+>(Bala Krishnamurthy) writes:
-+>>[........]
-+>>	   Many Hindus in Bombay resent the fact that the city allows its
-+>>minority Muslim population to pray outside mosques on Fridays, and
-+>>they are responding by praying in the streets themselves.
-+>>[........]
-+>    In Pune, the district administration decided last week not to allow
-+>    Muslim prayers/Maha-Aaratis on roads/in public places. Similarly,
-+>    in Nanded district of Maharashtra, the local authorities have asked
-+>    the mullahs not to shout from the mosques.
			^^^^^^^
			^^^^^^^

Shout ?  Its the call to the faithful.  Its not even loud recital of the
quran, like the loud-speaker poojaas in hindu temples...

What is the word for `the call to the faithful' ?

Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: Interested
Subject: Re: TAX TREATY FOR F-1's
Reply-To: addamax!watson@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Distribution: soc.culture.indian
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 02:52:16 GMT

In article <Jan.21.21.18.24.1993.10163@blaze.rutgers.edu>  
avirmani@blaze.rutgers.edu (Aashu Virmani) writes:
> 
> Hi netters!
> 
> Last year, I filed 1040NR since by the time I filed, there had been no
> clarifying statement from IRS about what we (students) were supposed
> to do.  
> > 
> If we CAN claim the treaty benefits, then can we claim the itemized
> deductions over and above that?  

	Refer to the Federal Tax Coordinator, Vol 20(O) on Tax treaties.
The Tax treaty between US and India was signed some time back. As for
filing, there are two options; (1) to check with the IRS on what their
interpretation is and (2) To go ahead and claim the benefits of the  
treaty.
In the latter case, be sure to mention the section/paragraph and 
full details from the passage on the treaty dealing with the issue
of students. (There is a section in the appendix of the form where
these details are to be mentioned)
Hope this helps
Acharya
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: karnik@cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Subject: Re: New Cabinet List Reveals Shameless Pandering to Minorities!
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:26:14 GMT

In <35576@sales.GBA.NYU.EDU> dchacko@sales.GBA.NYU.EDU (Daniel Chacko) writes:

>In article <v3cecrs@zola.esd.sgi.com> murgesh@rendezvous.esd.sgi.com (Murgesh Navar) writes:
>>>    Geez, I still cant believe the tone of your comments. 
>>> 
>>	Gee Dan, Can you repeat after me I-will-learn-to-detect-sarcasm ?.
>>
>>						-murgesh

>   Let the author say its "sarcasm", then I will believe it. With the ample
>propogation of chauvanists in this new groups, I do not for a second
>doubt that the comments were intentional.


Foot. Mouth. We miss you, Potatoe-head. See ya in '94.

>   - Dan

P.S. Lots of smilies...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Neeran   Karnik  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dept. of Computer Science,      | Email: karnik@cs.umn.edu
University of Minnesota         |        karn0001@student.tc.umn.edu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mila@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov (Mila Mitra)
Subject: PC (and I dont mean politically correct) fonts
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA/GSFC-Laboratory for Astronomy and Solar Physics
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:56:00 GMT


	I know this info sprouts up regularly on the net, but since I am
an erratic reader, I am always at phase shifts with it. 
        Can someone tell me how to/ and from where to obtain regional
language fonts for the PC , in particular Bengali? Replying by e-mail
should be ok.
        My PC and I will be eternally grateful...

Thanks,
Mila Mitra
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Pooper 2)
Subject: Re: Ram Janma Bhoomi
Organization: bnr.ca
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:20:14 GMT

India should ignore all this crapmost of the Pak statememts. (
Anyway its produced
by the policians for the internal consumption. Of course
we should provide security to minorities like never before.
Anyone born in India is a citizen of India and should be
accorded equal rights and oportunities. What Babar did or
Ganzi did was in the past, nobody should have to pay for 
it now. Babar and Gazni were vandals first and then anything
else. I doubt if Muslims in India like what they did!!! 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: aluru@IASTATE.EDU (Srinivas Aluru)
Subject: Re: Islam - a religion that breeds trouble
Reply-To: aluru@IASTATE.EDU (Srinivas Aluru)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:00:22 GMT

In article <C1BuJt.9nE@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu
(unknown) writes:
> > > No it doesn`t. In India they are oppressed by Hindu`s. In Israel they are
> > > unlawfuly deprived of their homeland. In Bosnia they are slaughtered 
> > > because they are of a different race. And in Russia untll recently, they 
> > > were denied the right to practive their own religion......

> > In article <1993Jan22.194722@IASTATE.EDU>, aluru@IASTATE.EDU (Srinivas
Aluru) writes:
> >   Recently, in Saudi Arabia, a hindu is punished by state for practicing 
> > his religion in the privacy of his own home. I wonder why....
> > 
> > -aluru
> > > 
> 
>     I am aware of this depsicaple act by the hipocritical rulers of Saudi 
> Arabia. Saudi Arabia is not a true Islamic state. It is a country full of
> hypocrtical leaders. What these people do is not indicative of Islam 
> (although they will insist it is). 
> _
> Rafat Sadiq
> 

I am aware of the despicable acts by the hiprocritical rulers of India,
Israel, Russia and the mobs in Bosnia. India is not a true Hindu state,
Israel is not a true Jewist state etc.. What these troublemakers do are not
indicative of their respective religions (although they will insist they are)

Moral of the story: The same argument can be applied to both sides. Either
identify troublemakers with their religions or not, but be consistent. If
you call hindu trouble makers hindus, jewish trouble makers jewist, also call
muslim trouble makers muslim. If you think muslim trouble makers are not true
muslims, so are hindu trouble makers not true hindus etc...

-aluru
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: an7606@anon.penet.fi (Junkdog)
Subject: Calling IITD junta ...
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.indian
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:41:37 GMT

X-Anon-To: soc.culture.indian
Hi Junta,

B
	So there was this article on the net some time back
	about creating a directory of IITD alumni in "pardes".

	A very nice idea, except that no e-mail address was given.
	Which kind of makes it inconvenient ......

	It would be nice if all you IITD junta could fill up the
	following portion and mail it to an7606@anon.penet.fi


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ksaranga@nyx.cs.du.edu (S. Krishnan)
Subject: Looking for Pritu Tarafdar (sp ?) from Calcutta.
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 16:09:30 GMT

Hi netters,
	I am looking for a friend by the name of Pritu Tarafdar (sp ?) from
Calcutta. He had come to the US in 1987 or 1988. Before coming to the US he
was teaching Computer Science at Madras Christian College Higher Secondary
School at Chetpet, Madras. I should have looked for him earlier but I
wasn't aware of the fact that 'looking for friends ' could be posted like I am
now. I am also aware of the fact that he could left the country by now but if
there is anything you know of him when he was in the US or his current location,
I would appreciate it if you could let me know by e-mail at ks@cse.unl.edu or
ksaranga@nyx.cs.du.edu. Thanks in advance. Have a nice week-end or week. Bye.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rajesh@Tandem.com (Rajesh Srivastava)
Subject: IA - Plane Highjacking
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:47:07 GMT

After reading the post of Nishikant Karmali,  I heard the CNN Head line news aired from
10:30 AM to 10:45 AM PST.

There was no mention of IA plane being Highjacked.

Please confirm this news.

Rajesh Srivastava
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: muralp@jec309.its.rpi.edu (Muralidharan Pandheeradi)
Subject: Re: Use Sprint to call India
Reply-To: muralp@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:17:34 GMT

Recently someone suggested one can get the low rates of Sprint by having them 
as secondary carrier. (As low as $0.98/min). It sounded very good, so I called
the Sprint customer associate to know more. He said, no such deal exists, and
if I have to avail the low rates I would have to switch to Sprint. Could someone
throw more light on this rather important issue? (I mean, for those who call 
one number very frequently, the above rate will save a lot.).
From: mshah@cs.arizona.edu (Munil A. Shah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Teach me Gujrati? - soc.culture.indian #68757
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:35:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.191827.28588@fuug.fi>, an5039@anon.penet.fi (Lizard King) writes:
> In article <30534@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, mshah@cs.arizona.edu (Munil A. Shah) writes:
> 
> What is your problem? Someone asks a perfectly reasonable question and
> your response is to criticize them! By the way, it is "in the first
> place", not "at the first place".
> 
	
	I didn't mean to criticize him, I was just correcting him. He himself
agreed that he didn't know how to spell Gujarati. And thanks for your
correction too.

-Munil
From: bala@research.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Yeltsin Hopes Visit Will Blunt Criticism, Solve Debt Impasse
Keywords: Yeltsin Hindi Russi Bhai Bhai
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:18:45 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

apnews reports:
           MOSCOW (AP) _ President Boris Yeltsin hopes a visit to India
will deflect hard-line charges that his policies are pro-Western
and end a $3 billion dispute that has caused trade with India to
fall by half.
           Also on the table during the visit, which was to start
Wednesday, are various bilateral agreements and a $500 million sale
of 88 Russian jet trainers to India, a long-time Soviet arms
client.
           Yeltsin, whose government has started questioning U.S. actions
in Iraq and Western criticism of Serbia, told reporters Monday that
``a balance must be kept'' to fend off charges that he is too
``pro-Western.''
           ``We count on the success of this visit, which will yet again
demonstrate that Russian foreign policy lacks any Western slant,''
Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Sergei Yastrzhembsky told
reporters at a briefing.
           While trying to put daylight between himself and Western policy
on Iraq and the former Yugoslavia, Yeltsin continues to stress
nuclear and economic deals with Washington. On Monday he repeated
his wish for an early summit with President Clinton.
           Yeltsin's talks with Indian Prime Minister P.V. Narasimha Rao
will focus on economic rather than nuclear issues. The Russian
president told reporters Monday that India's refusal to sign the
nuclear non-proliferation accord ``is not on the agenda of the
India summit.''
           High on the agenda will be the Russian bid to sell India
military jet trainers. Moscow is competing against offers from
British Aerospace and Dessault of France.
           India formerly purchased 80 percent of its military hardware
from the Kremlin. That included jet fighters and tanks that it got
for bargain rates because the Soviet Union _ in Yeltsin's words _
``was playing a special Indian card against world imperialism ...
as a counter-balance to the United States and Beijing.''
           Without jeopardizing his relations with the West, Yeltsin wants
to restore the arms trade with India in order to bolster the
Russian defense industry, which last year saw domestic orders drop
by 68 percent.
           Yeltsin said he expects a gradual rebuilding of Russian-Indian
trade, which he said dropped from $5.5. billion in 1990 to $3
billion last year.
           The chief obstacle is the plummeting Russian ruble, which
continued its slide on Tuesday to a record 568 per dollar, down
from 493 rubles last week.
           Russia, using an old ruble-dollar conversion formula, is
demanding $15 billion from India for past trade. But India, using
current conversion rates, claims it owes Russia only $12 billion.
           It remained to be seen whether Yeltsin intended to offer India a
discount on the jet trainers as an inducement to solve the debt
dispute. But he predicted a quick solution of the problem.
From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: THE LATEST
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:12:07 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1993Jan22.144953.16494@crd.ge.com>, farid@dso011.sch.ge.com (Farid) writes...
>In article <1993Jan21.194305.22749@ucselx.sdsu.edu> pjoseph@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Paul Joseph) writes:
>>< Virendra Verma writes >
>>< Re: Kennedy killed by a Christian/ Hitler a Christian >
>>
>>Just to let you know - being in the west and having a western name
>>does not imply being a christian - Hitler was not a christian, 
>>in fact in his war propoganda, Bibles were thrown into bon-fires.
>>As for Kennedy's killer - he didnt do a very Christian thing -
>>thou shalt not kill! - I am not sure if he was born a christian though.
>>
>>I do not agree with the statement that propmted this from Verma, that
>>Gandhiji was killed by a Hindu - so what there are criminals everywhere,
>>doesnt mean that that's what Hinduism preaches though.
>>
>>Paul
> 
> 
>	You said it Paul !
> 
>	One can not become a hindu / muslim / christian / budhist / jainist ...
>	just by having a name of that class. The individual actions of an
>	individual or a specific group can not be attributed to a religion or
>	a system unless his/her actions are exactly what the religion/system
>	preaches ( with the corect understanding and interpretation ).
> 
>	If the person who killed Mahatma had a hindu name.. that doesn't mean
>	that 'all hindus are killers or murderers'.We should really look into
>	what and who inspired him for such a criminal deed.
> 
>	Did he fail to understant Mahatma's message or somebody misguided him.
> 
>	Was it a personal reaction (an individual act) or was he used as a tool
>	to cut the life-thread of Mahatma, by some body ?
> 
>	But yes couldn't agree with u more .. Criminals are everywhere ...
>	No religion teaches intolerance and hatred ....       
> 
> 
>	[ Satayam-o-Jayte ] [ Truth will always win (sooner or later) ]
> 
> 
>	[ You can not eliminate hatred by hatred Only Love can do it ]
> 
>	[ Aadil Farid ]
> 


	Thanks all who responded. That's all what I wanted to hear. There
	can't be generalizations based on the actions of the few.

namaste,

-- Virendra Verma
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Pooper 2)
Subject: Re: BJP Israel and Others
Organization: bnr.ca
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:04:08 GMT

One of the things that brings Israel close to India is her
historic stand. During past Indo/Pak conflicts one of the
states that strongly supported India was Israel. This is 
despite the fact that India did not accord diplomatic or
trade relation to her. Of course they showed the support
for their own reasons nonetheless this made a sympathetic
impression on Indians. Now Arrafat can speak to Israelis
and PLO can negotiate therefore no reason to give Israel
cold shoulder anymore. They have a tremendous trade potential
for India and that is what is being expoited at the moment.
By the way, I believe India and Pakistan have an enormous
trade potential as well provided some good sense prevails
over the "hawks" of the both sides. I think this will happen
but God knows when (may be in my life time!!!).

Please do not blame everything on Muslim lobby in Congress.
They have a democratic right to express themselves like other
citizens or only Brahmin lobby should speak out for all?
From: stx1322@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: REPUBLIC DAY GREETINGS TO ALL
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:15:22 GMT
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services




        ********     REPUBLIC  DAY  GREETINGS TO ALL ********


--------------

VINEET
From: chandra@cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: U.S. Citizen NRIs Please leave India alone (Re: BJP)
Date: 27 Jan 1993 10:14:56 -0500
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu

In article <1993Jan27.141319.29007@ryn.mro4.dec.com> verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma) writes:
>

>	Let us prove it by restoring Indian values in modern India because
>	I can't bring the proof for the ancient achievments. We have tried
>	the western model for 45 years, let us try Indian model for just
>	10 years. See the difference. Don't be so intolerant if you are
>	a true knowledge seeker.

You say we have failed with "the western model for 45 years."  Let us
say you are right, and we want to restore the Indian model.  What is
it going to be?  The Indian model of the 17th-18th centuries which
directly led to a takeover of a few hundred million people by European
invaders totaling several thousand?  I would say that it was a failed
model.  The India model of the 13th-16th centuries which led to the
take over a few hundred million people by invaders from Muslim lands?
I would say that it was a failed model as well.  Clearly there was
something wrong with the Indian model *before* the arrival of the
foreigners, since in fact that was the culture that *succumbed* to the
foreigners.  Exactly what point in history do you want to go back to
as the Indian model that succeeded?

I have a feeling that whatver "Indian model" we are going to adopt isn't
going to correspond to any real Indian past,  but to one subgroup's
political construction of a pseudo-past.
From: vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Bogus Newsgroups....
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:29:27 GMT

The following note was found in news.announce.newsgroups.
Edited to cut down the length of it.....

Vicky:
UMass, Jan 21
====

Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups
Subject: Bogus USENET Groups

Explanatory notes follow this list.

comp.unix.system_calls.brk.brk.brk        no proposal
rec.org.mensa.flame.flame.flame           no proposal
sci.physics.edward.teller.boom.boom.boom  no proposal
soc.culture.india                         no proposal (use soc.culture.indian)
soc.culture.indian.american               questionable vote recalled and failed
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,rec.music.indian.misc
From: yousuf@bnr.ca (Yousuf Saifullah)
Subject: Re: SHER TIME.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:52:20 GMT
Organization: Bell Northern Research

In article <RAJIV.93Jan21125152@me.uta.edu>, rajiv@me.uta.edu (Rajiv Chakravarti) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan21.092344.14358@umiami.ir.miami.edu> hwhfac@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|>    SOHBAT MEIN GEER KE NA PADI HO YE KHOO,
|> 
|>    DENE LAGE HAI BOSE, BAGAIR ILTEJA KIYE.
|> 
|> 
|> 
|>    ZID KI HAI AUR BAAT, MAGAR WOH BURI NAHEEN,
|> 
|>    BHOOLE SE USNE SAIKADON WAADE VAFA KIYE.
|> 
|> 
|> 
|>    WAHEED.
|> 
|> 
|> --------------------------------------------
|> 
|> 	I would like it if you could include the name of the poet along
|> with the quote.......
|> 
|> 	The above two she'rs are by Ghalib ........
|> 
|> Regards
|> Ek maddah-e-Ghalib
|> 
|> --
|> =====================================================================
|> Rajiv Chakravarti
|> Dept. of Aerospace Engineering
|> University of Texas at Arlington
|> 
|> rajiv@utacfd.uta.edu                             rajiv@me.uta.edu
|> =====================================================================

Rajiv or Waheed!
Could you please post the complete ghazal for us.

Thanks,
Yousuf Saifullah.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:45013 soc.culture.indian.telugu:1840
From: npp@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (Nitesh Patel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Sher
Date: 22 Jan 1993 02:38:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: marina.scl.cwru.edu
Keywords: Chand, Chandni, Daag, Bewafaai

	Agar Chand Main Daag Na Hota To Uski Chandni Ko Nazar Lag Jati,
	Agar Tuj Main Be-Wafaai Na Hoti To Tuje Meri Nazar Lag Jati.
							- Scorpion
	
	Zahar Muhabbat Ka Humen Dava Main Pilakar Chale Gaye
	Meri Zindgi Ki Imarat Ko Hava Main Hilakar Chale Gaye
	Hanste Rahe Sada Voh Humen Rulakar Chale Gaye
	Khuda Unko Khush Rakhna Humen Jo Mitakar Chale Gaye
							- Shahbuddin Rathod

	Teri Yaad Ka Gum Hum Dil Se Kaise Nikale
	Do Akhen Aur Hazzar Aasun Hum Kaise Samale
	Kis-se Kahun Ke Muzhe Apna Humdard Banale
	Sub Kahete Hain ke Khuda Humen Is Duniya Se Uthale
							- Shahbuddin Rathod
	
Interval........
	Ajit Joke
	Once Ajit was asked to name the twins of his favorite SEVAK "Raaberts"
	In reply he said " Mona Darling, Raaberts se kahe do ke ek ka naam
	Peter rakhe aur dusre ka naam Repeter...."


	Aye Dilruba Agar Tu Aa Gayee Hoti Is Mahefil Main
	Ya To Saki Ko Nasha Chad Jata Ya Fir Dhuen Main Aag Lag Jati
							- Scorpion

	Ishk Ki Banduk Main, Hushn Ke Chare Bhare
	Aankh Ka Trigger Dabaya, Na Jane Kitne Mare
							- Manish Patel

	Patthar Sulag Rahe The, Nakshe-Kadam Na Tha
	Hum Jis Tarah Chal Diye, Udhar Koi Rasta Na Tha.
							- From the collection
							  Of Murari Bapu's Sher

	Gum Ki Bijli Giri, Jal Gaya Ashiyan
	Hum Safar Chhoot Gaye, Loot Gaya Karvan
	Jindagi Ki Ab Mujhe Tammnna Hi Nahin
	Maut Bhi Agar Na Aaye To Main Kya Karun
							- Shahbuddin Rathod

	Dekhkar Mujhe Kaheta Hai Sara Jahan
	Raat Din Rote Rahete Ho Kyun Maherban
	Dil Sulagata Raha Fir Bhi Main Chup Raha
	Aakhen Sub Koochh Bata De To Main Kya Karun
							- Shahbuddin Rathod



Nitesh
Adhi Shairie interval ke pahele,
Adhi Shairie interval ke baad,
Baaki ki meri Shairi Book Main..... Ha..Ha....Hum Computer ke jamaane ke
programmer hain..Ha..Ha...Humen Poochhe bagair yahan ek Process bhi nahin
daudti....Ha..Ha..