HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: webster.henr801c@XEROX.COM
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: re: Regarding Marc Webster's K2000/SY99 comments
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:25:36 GMT


> Assuming that the SY99 has a mode where the samples can be played back
> untreated, it would be very surprising to me if the same samples would
> sound different played back on the two machines.

I'm sure untreated samples sound that same.  But why bother to pay $4000 just
to play back untreated samples?

> At any rate, I would be very surprised if you couldn't make a K2000 sound
> as 'light' as an SY99 in sample treatment by judiciously choosing and
> implementing the correct algorithm.

oh yeah, I forgot -- just like the advertisements say -- VAST is the end of
synthesise ... VAST can sound like anything! (gosh, wow).  I'm glad you like
your K2000, but let's not go overboard.

> a few hours of working with the system will convince anybody but the
> totally ear-dead (brain dead?) individual that there is no more powerful a
> synthesis system available

okay, enough sarcasm.  Even if it's the most powerful engine ever for all
eternity, it still has a certain character, and if you don't like the
character, who cares about the power?   The SY99 has a certain character, and
even if it's only half as powerful as the K2000, if you prefer the character,
the SY99 would be a better synth for you.  I'm simply pointing out that the two
synths (the SY99, which the orginal poster asked about) and the K2000 (which I
think Rossi prefers) have totally different characters which will be extremely
obvious to anybody who plays them side by side (don't think about it and
analyze what you would expect and cogitate it's significance -- just go do
it!), and you should take into account your "character preference", not just
bytes and ROM and SIMMs.

marc webster
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:36:07 EST
From:         Jon Crystal <OFABJC@UVMADMIN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The K2000 vs. SY99 continued...
              30 Jul 1992 17:51:37 GMT from <ja51359@UXA.CSO.UIUC.EDU>

A few additional improvements of SY version of FM over the original DX:

 Each operator EG is loopable from a variety of points in its cycle
 Pitch EG can be turned on/off for each operator which is the secret to many of
 the more exotic patches (e.g. on for modulators, not carriers)
 An extra sub-LFO
 The ability to use 4 FM patches (=24 operators) at once, with lots of detuning
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Kurzweil K2000 Sample Board
From: Jason.Alexander@p16.f215.n163.z1.fidonet.org (Jason Alexander)
Date: 14 Jul 92 14:23:34 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:163/215.16 - BitByters, Rockland ON

Has anyone seen the new Sample board for the K2000 yet?  Does anyone know
how they expect to fit it into the present NON sampling K2000?  I'm going
to be ordering a K2000 WITHOUT the sampling option because of a) price and
b) I will use a $350 Peavey SX and totally awesome Steinberg Avalon on the
Atari ST instead of spending $1000 for the sampling option.

I expect that you'll be able to sample via the auxilary outputs that
double as inputs.  this will prevent them from having to drill into the
case of the K2000.  At least they were smart enough to pre-wire all
necessary items for a true sampler such as the SCSI port and the software
chip space.  It's all sitting there, just waiting for the chip. The new
card supposedly has souped up sample editing software not much different
from that found in the Akai S-1100.

 

--  
Internet: Jason.Alexander@p16.f215.n163.z1.fidonet.org
Xref: sparky rec.music.synth:12793 rec.music.makers:8598 alt.music.progressive:1550
From: metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers,alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Will the real ALT.MUSIC.PROGRESSIVE please stand up!
Summary: Will the people who ask this please sit down!
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:09:06 GMT
Followup-To: alt.music.progressive
Organization: Atomic City

In article <153tquINN53m@wupost.wustl.edu> oser@fermi.wustl.edu (Scott Oser) writes:
>If Kansas and Genesis don't belong here, who the hell does?

This is going to turn into a semantic discussion over what "progressive" 
means, launched by someone who didn't read the charter and prolonged by
people who actually care about such labels, which I'm venturing to guess
does NOT include most of rec.music.synth. Please redirect followups OUT
of here, so we can go on talking about REAL issues, like music programming
in FORTRAN and who can peepee farther because they own a bigger workstation.
|->




--
dr. michael metlay          \  "Warning: This is not normal music.
atomic city                  \  This is heavily processed pain."  
                              \ 
metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu \                       (r. miller)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: jondr@sco.COM (Karen Silkwood's car)
Subject: Re: Which Atari + software for sequencing
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:34:34 GMT


shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
>- Reccomended sequencers: Creator or Notator (C-Lab), Pro-24 or Cubase
>  (Steinberg), Pro4/5 (Passport). If you can't afford these, most of
>   them have 'junior' versions which have less features but at a much
>   lower price (and you get full trade-in if you decide to trade up).

try RealTime, formerly from Intelligent Music, but now handled by Dr T.  i
love it, and would still use it if we were using the Atari in our studio
(we're using a Mac because of the Midi Time Piece - 128 midi channels is
just about enough.)

-- 
Jon Drukman (God's personal DJ)                 uunet!sco!jondr   jondr@sco.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Always note the sequencer - this will never let us down.
From: sef@sef-pmax.slisp.cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re:      The K2000 vs. SY99 continued...
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:58:51 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon


    I'm no expert on FM, but aren't the SY filters just an icing on the
    cake add-on?  The DX-7 had no filters;  indeed FM achieves it's
    timbral effects in other ways (varying the volume or tuning of the
    modulator operator, using a different algorithm, etc.).
    
    I guess having a good filter on top of that would be nice too.
    
Right.  If I remember correctly, the SY99 has digital filters that can be
applied to both samples and to FM-generated sounds.  My point was that
these filters aren't nearly as flexible as the ones on the K2000, and to my
ears they have that characteristic thin "digital" sound.  Many people have
commented that the K2000 is the first synth with all-digital filters to
have a real analog sound (when you want that).

I suppose it's possible that the SY99 filters are smoother and more
powerful than the factory patches make them sound.  Any SY99 owners care to
comment?  I don't remember whether the SY99 filters offer programmable
resonance.  The K2000 filters certainly do.

It is true that the old DX7, with just FM and no filters, could get some
sounds that require filters on other synths -- even a rather tinny
approximation to a classical MOOG filter sweep.  Adding filters and reverb
after the FM section should help a lot, if the filters are good enough.  (I
always had to run my DX7 patches through a graphic EQ and effects box to
get the sound I wanted.)  So a synth like the SY99 would have been a great
leap forward about the time the DX7II came out.  Now, with cheap sample
memory and powerful DSP chips, FM is kind of irrelevant.  FM's big
advantage was that it was a clever way of producing sounds with sharp edges
and complex timbral evolution without using a lot of memory or computation.

I might add that many people had trouble learning to program FM to get the
sounds they want, and the FM part of the SY99 is a *LOT* more confusing
than the DX7 was.  The K2000 is a bit intimidating because of the huge
number of options, but I think most people will find it much more
intuitive, especially if they have experience on subtractive synths.

-- Scott
===========================================================================
Scott E. Fahlman
School of Computer Science
Carnegie Mellon University
5000 Forbes Avenue
Pittsburgh, PA 15213

Internet: sef+@cs.cmu.edu
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Return-Path: crispen <@ada3.ca.boeing.com:crispen@efftoo>
X-Envelope-To: SYNTH-L@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:17:16 CDT
From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Re: GLIB -> TX81Z
Comments: To: SYNTH-L@ada3.ca.boeing.com

John Miller <cfejm@UX1.CTS.EIU.EDU> says:

>Actually, I understand that the new guidelines of the International
>Society for Electronic Music Computation suggest COBOL as the coming
>language of choice for serious programming.

Nope, you're all wrong -- it's Ada.  Alas, every sequence comes out
like a march.

Bob
forth (heart) if honk then
crispen@foxy.boeing.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: tjt@blink.att.com (Tim Thompson)
Subject: Re: GLIB file format
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:35:06 GMT

mrk@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM (Michael R. Kesti) writes:
>GLIB is a public domain generic librarian/editor designed to be portable
>both in terms of host computer and synthesizer ...
>Currently, support exists for Amiga, Mac, IBM (and its ubiquitous
>compatibles), ST, and Unix hosts; and Casio CZ1, Roland D-10 and DEP5,
>Yamaha DW8000, DX100, DX7, and TX81Z, and Kawai K1 and K5 synthesizers.
>(These lists may be incomplete!) In the case of a Unix host, the midi
>I/O routines are stubbed and the program becomes a user interface demo.

There is also Waldorf MicroWave support, and support for MPU-compatible
interfaces under UNIX.  The latest version with these additions can be
found on louie.udel.edu, the filename is glib2.tar.Z.  There's also a
new "patch bank randomizer" feature that is useful and fun to play with.
Be aware that you are normally expected to compile your own version,
there are no ready-to-run executable versions.    ...Tim...
From: waksman@cvl.umd.edu (Adlai Waksman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: airiness and organs (was Re: Help on an Ensoniq SQ-1 please)
Keywords: :-)
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:37:15 GMT
Reply-To: waksman@cvl.umd.edu (Adlai Waksman)
Organization: Center for Automation Research, Univ. of Md.

In article <1992Jul21.105014.16015@hemlock.cray.com> dpm@cray.com (Donald P. Maghrak) writes:
>In article <76125@ut-emx.uucp> jean@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jonathan Powell) writes:

>>2: All my sound in just the plane old mode seem to have changed somewhat.
>>They seem like they all have extra "airyness" to them, and I have no clue
>>how this could have happened.  Needless to say, I'm a little hesitant to
>>start playing with the settings.
>>
>Could be that air is leaking past the bellows that drive the oscillators
>Ensoniq is now using.
>
>:-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  couldn't resist %-) 

Yeah, it's these newfangled ELECTRO-PNEUMATIC ACTIONS that are always in
need of releathering every few years.... Bach got along just fine without
them!

:-)

Seriously, though, it's true that pipe organs were in a sense the first
synthesizers.  (OK, so they don't have voltage-controlled components, but
other techniques such as additive synthesis by adding specific harmonic
components, detuned "celeste" effects (as well as the rich ensemble sound
of many independent oscillators), resultant tones... all those have been
done quite easily, for a long time, with pipes.)

And some modern ones even have MIDI input and output!


>Don

-Adlai


-- 
__________________________________________________________________Adlai Waksman
    ...The Universe is thronged with fire and light,	  (waksman@cvl.umd.edu)
 And we but smaller suns, which, skinned, trapped and kept
Enshrined in blood and precious bones, hold back the night.  (Ray Bradbury)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: eab@cbnews.cb.att.com (eugene.a.beer)
Subject: K2000 woes
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:46:24 GMT

Here were the problems with my K2000:

3 keys seemed to have dirty contacts.  They would only trigger a sound
above a threshold velocity level.  This problem appears to have cleared up
on its own in the 3 mo. since purchase.

The midi in/out connectors are JUNK!!  With 3 different brands of MIDI
cables the connection and fit is very poor.  I have to wiggle the
IN plug back and forth for a couple of minutes to get the electrical
connection.  The plug won't make connection if plugged in too far or if
plugged straight in at 90 degrees.  It has to be pulled slightly out
at an angle!! 

Disk drive wouldn't spin disks.  This was due to a slight shift in its
mounting during shipment.  They are aware of this problem and seem to
have fixed it with new shipments.

All program memory was lost once during power up.  This is a known (somewhat
rare) problem.


Although not a defect, the fact that one cannot store configurations of patch
assignments with keyboard range and volume per midi channel is a 
VERY SERIOUS feature
omission.  You can go into SETUP mode and store setups that set a keyboard
range for up to 3 patches (without volume) per midi channel for the local 
keyboard, but not for external MIDI keyboards.  Even the lowly
TX81Z offers this true multi-timbral operation that the K2000 does not.
I sure hope that when the rack-mount K2000 comes out (which
will have to have true multi-timbral operation) that they provide
an update to the K2000 which will incorporate this.

				eugene beer

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers,misc.forsale.computers,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: ntmtv!lchan@ames.arc.nasa.gov
Subject: Miracle Keyboard bargain...almost gone
Organization: Northern Telecom
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:33:17 GMT

There is a great deal for the Miracle Piano teaching system that may have
already expired.  It is from Tiger Software, a mail order firm that has
advertising similar to DAK ads.  In their spring catalog that was mailed to
many Mac Magazine subscribers, there is a Miracle Piano bundle listed for $349.
 The bundle includes: the Miracle Keyboard for the Mac, Miracle Song
Collections 1 and 2, Trax MIDI software and the Miracle Piano stand.  Shipping
overnight is $3!!  The price is the same as other mail orders except you get
all the extras.  

When I ordered one a month ago it took 3 weeks for the delivery due to back
orders.  My friends order the PC version of the same bundle for $399 and got
them in 2 days.  

When I received the Sept. issue of MacUser today I noticed that the price have
increased.  Now they are selling the Miracle bundle for $399 that comes with
the stand, MIDI software and one extra song collection - not 2 collections. 
For those interested, you may want to try to have the old catalog price
honored.  Since the catalog numbers have changed for the new price, you may be
able to talk them into giving it to you at the old price - just reference the
old catalog numbers.  The old catalog numbers are: XX2776 - Miracle for the Mac
bundle $349, XX3776D Miracle for PC bundle $399.  They will ask for a
"preferred customer code" which is really the catalog number, it is XX 86. 
Tigers's 800 number is 1800-666-2562.  If you are calling during the weekend,
expect a long wait.  (If you can't get the old prices, the new ones are still
better than any other mail order firms.  Get the latest MacUser or MacWorld for
the catalog numbers.)

Good luck and enjoy...Laurence Chan
 
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers
From: mcarlsso@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Mars)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Sample CD's??
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:53:31 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Jul28.091115.25304@udcf.glasgow.ac.uk> chris@uk.ac.gla.music writes:
>Anyone got any sample CD recommendations? I've got the Zero-G datafiles
>1 and 2, and a DAT of the industrial one, but I think I've used them to
>exhaustion.
>
>I use them mainly for rhythm loops, percussion sounds, and vocal hooks.
>

I am a mixing DJ and also a beat junkie breakbeat collector.  I
bought Zero-G 1 when it came out a year ago and I was not impressed.
The breakbeats on that CD were not very useful since they sounded 'too
clean' and were totally unfunky as if lifted from recent chart hits.

The TR808 samples were mediocre and noisy and it was hard to tell
that it was 808 samples.  Especially the crucial 808 boom was a
joke.

The vocal hooks were a little better but nothing you could use in a
good dance mix.  I would suggest going to
the local DJ store and pick up any 12" in the Acapella anonymous
which feature the real divas(Loleatta Holloway, Jocelyn Brown etc
etc) for vocal hooks.

>I've read good things about Coldcut's and Pascal Gabriel's CD's. What are

Hopefully these CD's have better sound quality and fresher samples.
My previous purchase of Ed Stratton's CD has made me very doubtful
towards these sample CD's.  It seems that these guys want to make a
quick buck on their outdated sample libraries.  I guess they spent
years compiling sample libraries but they will never give out the
really good ones since they are smart.  You get stuff that isn't
useful to them anymore.  Come on, if a sample is really good it will be
kept secret as long as possible, that shit is gold dust.
All the ads make you think that you are getting fresh new samples 
when it is in fact old stuff or samples that wouldn't make their 'real'
library.

In short, if you know your old beats and records don't bother with
these CD's just keep plundering the used vinyl shops. For $100 bucks
you could buy tons of useful stuff(it would take some time though).
However, if you are clueless where to find cool drum loops and and 
drop-ins one of these CD's will be a nice start.  
Problem though is that there are hundreds of other music makers out 
there using the same tired samples and your stuff won't sound fresh.
-Oh, thats sound #45, Let's go,  on the Datafile 2, right!?!?!

mc
.

BTW, has anyone tried the Norman Cook CD 'Skip to my loop'?  I read
that he would put 200 'never before heard' loops on it.   Hope he
went for quality and not quantity....



-- 
_______________________________________________________________
                   |   'What's up DOC?'
   mars@ucsd.edu   |  			Bugs Bunny
		   |
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: ladasky@netcom.com (John J. Ladasky II)
Subject: Weird Gear Wanted!
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 17:31:52 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Greetings, all.

	O.K., I need some cool alternate MIDI controllers.  Just about any
type will do!  If anybody wants to sell any of the following, or something
similar, please email me.  Also, if you know of a music store that has 
any of these devices, I'd appreciate contact information for the store.


		* Yamaha WX7 or WX11/WT11
		* Roland PAD-80 Octapad II
		* Xylophone-type percussion controller


	Thanks in advance.

-- 
=============================================================================
 John J. Ladasky II ("ii")				(ladasky@netcom.COM)

 "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the
 American people."					      - H.L. Mencken
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
	      Disclaimer : My employer?  Internet?  Yeah, right!
=============================================================================
From: v035550@stortek.com (Steve Monroe)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Where is rec.music.compose?
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:28:34 GMT
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.  Louisville, CO
Originator: v035550@stcvax

Does 'rec.music.compose' exist?
Whatever happened to it? I recall
voting for it, and voting closing
at some point in July, but don't
remember any specifics.  Anyone
know what's going on?

just curious...

sm(V035550@stortek.com)
-- 
"Music comes from composers - not musicians"
 -Frank Zappa : "The Real Frank Zappa Book", p.174.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: georg@miro.nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de (Georg Mueller)
Subject: Re: Building own analog stuff (trying)-help
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:28:52 GMT
Distribution: w
Organization: TH Darmstadt, Institut fuer Angewandte Physik

In article <1992Jul20.183428.18509@ccu.umanitoba.ca> rmartin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard Martin) writes:

   I am starting out on a venture in which I plan to beventually build my own
   analog gear (modular). I am fully UNaware as to the scope of this
   undertaking and could use any advice. I know the basics of electronics,
   and have some scematics for simple VCO's etc, but I want to know if any
   good plans exists and how much they would cost......

   Mr. Skinny Puppy, where are you.........

Well, I'm not FIVE, but I know what he can offer.

   * Bernie Hutchins: Electronotes Builders Guide and Preferred
     Circuits Collection. 1980. 300 to 400 pages
     (let's quote Ric)
     The book goes right into all of the detail required, for
     completely understanding the theory behind the construction and
     design of a complete modular synthesizer (also, with some very odd
     modules, that aren't found in any synthesizer nowadays).  It
     includes schematics, but no PC board layouts.  It does include
     very good instructions though, on making your own PC boards.  

   * A smaller book by Barry Kline
     (let's quote him again)
     The other book, is from the early 80's, and is a lot smaller, but
     it does have plans for a complete modular synthesizer.  This book
     doesn't have as many options as the Hutchin book, but it does use
     newer chips than the Hutchin book.
     (IE: Probably, more STABLE circuits).

There is another book by Thomas Henry: Building a better music
synthesizer. I found this info in an electronic library catalog on the
internet. If you can get this one, tell me.

If you're able to read german books, there are some which describe
more or less the construction of an modular analog. Ask me.

	Georg.
From: mrk@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Michael R. Kesti)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: EM project software
Summary: Looking for source code
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:52:11 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley CA

I posted this query a few months ago, but received no replies (but I don't
intend that as a whining complaint!), and I thought I'd try again.

The July '91 issue of _Electronic Musician_ includes a DIY project called
the MIDI Fader (a JL Cooper FaderMaster wannabe), the source code for which
is said to be available on PAN (the Performing Arts Network).  As I have no
account on PAN, and don't wish to obtain one for this one need.  If some
kind soul out there has downloaded this, and would be willing to mail it
to me, I would be forever grateful.

Also the June '89 issue of _EM_ includes a DIY project called the MIDI Event
Trigger.  In this case, the relatively short program listing was published
in the article.  If anyone has taken the time to pound this in, and again
would be willing to mail it to me, I would be similarly appreciative.

Thanks.

--
============================================================================
Michael Kesti  Grass Valley Group, Inc. | "And like, one and one don't make
    mrk@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM              |  two, one and one make one."
    !tektronix!gvgpsa!gvgspd!mrk        |         - The Who, Bargain
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth