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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari BLiTTER
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:53:04 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Sep29.140549.10214@eng.umd.edu> gerrymon@eng.umd.edu (Gerry Mon) writes:
> In article <1992Sep24.195307.19082@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
> lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
> 
> >gerrymon@eng.umd.edu (Gerry Mon) writes:
> >
> >: The Atari BLiTTER takes data from the source and destination and
> >: prepares the result to be put back into the destination.  In other
> >: words, it's basically a 2 source blitter.  However, the Atari BLiTTER
> >
> >So, it uses 1 source and 1 source/destination? Ie. One of the sources
> >must change? That is bad, too bad.
> 
> Why is this so bad?  Don't most microprocessors have an instruction
> format like this too?  For example, a lot of microprocessors have an
> ADD R1,R2 instruction where you add two numbers in R1 and R2 and place
> the result back in R1.

It's not so bad if that's what you want to do.  In some operations the
Amiga blitter is used with one or more of the source and destination
operands either disabled or pointing at the same data.

The real qestion is what portion of blits (in real applications) require
two or more passes over the data to emulate what the Amiga blitter can
do in one, when a temporary storage area has to be allocated to hold
some intermediate result or when a certain kind of blit simply isn't
used because "it hurts"...
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From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: AGA hidden registers - C= is giving me an attitude
Keywords: The worse part is I have the cash for the A4000
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 10:49:34 GMT

kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos) writes:
>Some folks here are already beginning to gripe about C=
>not releasing information about the AGA chip set. They
>tell us they don't want us to "hit" the hardware but
>instead only use authorized system routines.
>[...]
>PUBLISH THE SPECS/REGISTERS OF THE AGA CHIPSET

Yep, not publishing the specs simply delays the inevitable... it
only means that someone (other than Commodore) will make big bucks
selling "inside the Amiga AGA chipset" manuals.

It might also mean that some companies will pass over the Amiga in
their projects (eg: stuff like PreVue Guide, big VR games, etc)
simply because of the possible hassle of convincing Commodore that
they need the specs.

kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:33:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.200255.19512@msi.com> bill@msi.com writes:
>David Meiklejohn (davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au) wrote:
>: In article <1992Sep28.045210.9504@disk.uucp> sparks@disk.uucp (John Sparks) writes:
>: >
>: >There are many PC motherboards that are upgradable, meaning you can
>: >go from 386SX all the way to 486DX on the same motherboard.
>: 
>: WOW!!! Incredible!  Do you mean to say you get to use the old 100ns 16-bit
>: ram with no cache on your 386SX motherboard with your new 486DX?
>
>Yes.  Since upgradable systems have the processor, processor cache and
>other support chips on one card, upgrading your 386SX to a 486DX does
>help a lot.  Also a 486 system can probably use 100ns no problem.
>
>Of course you poor ignorant Amiga bastards (and I mean that in a nice way
>:-) still don't get it that there is no such thing as 16-bit RAM on a
>80x86 based PC.

Except 386SX boards, which is what you said was upgradable above.  You implied
that there was no penalty involved in going from a 386SX to 486DX, while
keeping the motherboard.  Now, if you hadn't mentioned the 386SX, I wouldn't
have said anything about 16-bit RAM.  As for the speed problem, of course the
486 will work with the slower ram that most people have on their old
motherboards, and the cache minimises the impact of that speed.  But, unless
the external cache is large, ram speed still has a large impact on system
performance.

>The only disadvantage to 100ns RAM is its speed.  I
>would never buy 100ns memory myself.

We were talking about upgrading, i.e. people keep their old ram.  What I'm
saying is that it's all very well having upgradable cpu modules, but going
to a faster cpu that way is less optimal than replacing the whole motherboard,
which is what most IBMers end up doing.

>What if you don't own a A4000.

I thought we were talking about current systems here.  But ok, what if you
don't?  What then?  Well, I have an A2000 myself.  It has an 8 MHz 68000 on
the motherboard.  It has a cpu card slot.  In this slot I've put a 25 MHz
68030 board, with it's own RAM.  The only thing that's wasted compared to
an upgradable cpu system is that I still have the 68000 sitting on the
motherboard, unused.  It must be worth at least $10 that I'm wasting there.
I think it's a nice solution.  If I want to go to a 33 MHz 040, I just pull
out the '030 card and sell it to someone with an A2000.  Except I won't.  It's
time to upgrade the whole system, so I'll sell the whole lot and buy an A4000
instead.

>:  - But I'd rather be using an AMIGA!  Wouldn't you?
>
>No.

Well, we both live in free countries, so I guess that's your option...


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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: HAM-8 only 256,000 colors?
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:47:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.091442.13026@hsr.no> david-s@ifi.hsr.no writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.131102.29608@hsr.no>, david_s@hsr.no (David Andreas Sjoeen) writes:
>> Why does C= say that HAM-8 has 256,000 colors?

The 3.0 developer's stuff includes source code for a demo program which opens
a HAM8 screen and displays 256k (not 256,000 :-) colours on it.  The existence
of this demo may be the reason C= gives that number.  Anyway, even with an
overscanned PAL Superhires (1448x566) screen, you can't get more than 800,000
or so pixels on an Amiga screen, so you can't have more than that many colours
on screen at once.  Also, pixel colours aren't independently settable in HAM,
so realistically, you won't have that many even in the best cases.  So, 256k
seems like a reasonable number, in the real world.  That 256k is still out of
a 16M colour palette, of course.

>No comments at all?!

I couldn't very well ignore a plea like that, could I?  :-)


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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:05:28 EDT
From: <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: COMMODORE - HERE'S A CLUE


In article <1a8a84INN17j@uwm.edu>, gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
says:

>danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:

>: We were talking about the 1985 Paula chip... definitely yesteryear's
>technolo

>Not even Atari was dumb enough to try and create a custom chip that
>did 16-bit audio, the job is much better given to a DSP to handle.

Hmm, let's see. From what was posted earlier the Falcon's DSP has
96K of memory to play with. I wonder if it has DMA access to main
memory? Nah, too complicated. So what if you want to play a large
mod? Guess the CPU has to continually copy sample data to the tiny
DSP buffer. That's hardly better than the CPU doing all the work
itself! Am I missing something?
From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: READ THIS AMIGANS, FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:35:06 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

(Rune Hyldmo) bawls:

> I am sick and tierd of all you Amiga-dorks out there trying to tell us
> that the new low-end amigas will crush the FALCON. 
>
> Have you stopped to think at all, I know it is a little to much to ask of
> an Amiga freak, but still...

As an avid Atari user who is anxiously awaiting the Falcon myself, I feel I
have enough perspective on the issue to say this: You, "Rune," are a brain-
dead, juvenile, asinine waste of oxygen.  The fact that the rest of us
Atari users don't want to see your drivel in Atari newsgroups gives you no
right to come over here and burden c.s.a.a. with your presence.  You're
worse than Amiga weenies like Marc Barrett and Skippy Sauls; at least they
keep their drivel in the appropriate newsgroups.

Since you lack the gonads to give your e-mail address, you've pretty much
forced public replies.  In the future, either learn some usenet ettiquette
or ask the doctor to pull the plug.  

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 at WOC
Date: 30 Sep 1992 02:44:54 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu () writes:
: In article <1aaqj0INNd2m@uwm.edu>, gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
: says:
: 
: >gerrymon@eng.umd.edu (Gerry Mon) writes:
: >: I disagree.  The Atari BLiTTER is most definitely DMA.  A DMA device
: >: basically transfers memory from one location to another without the
: >: intervention of the CPU and the BLiTTER does exactly this.
: 
: >I'm sorry, I had things pictured differently.  Under that context,
: >probably the best context to use, yes, it is DMA.  However, it appears
: >to do its own stuff, as if it itself was the DMA controller, and
: >that's why I didn't count it as USING DMA, because it appears that it
: >is doing the fetching itself.
: 
: A boring matter of semantics... FYI the Amiga "DMA controller" for the chip

(would you prefer a flamefest???)

: bus is Agnus (Alice for AGA) which coincidentally contains the Amiga
: blitter. Too bad Alice isn't an improvement.

Well, that wasn't exactly what I meant.  The Falcon blitter appeared
to do its own fetching, not make use of DMA, see the point?  I know
the Falcon has DMA, but the way it looked, the Falcon's blitter was
retrieving the data itself...  This was just a clarification.

And Alice is an improvement, just not in the areas where the blitter
is concerned.  I, too, would have preferred a faster blitter.
However, I've got no problems with giving it more room to work in,
which will still speed it up--the blitter will be faster in some of
the high-res modes that used to be slow under ECS just because of that.

Greg

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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:06:19 GMT
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fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>
>	According to this months Byte the 'Overdrive' chips costs $800.00
>	and from my perception of the article, the only people who would
>	see any benefit would be those doing math-co intensive work.
>

You got the wrong perception.  The clock doubler in the OverDrive gives
a significant performance increase, especially for 32-bit code.

>
>	On some benchmarks there was no improvement most others a little.
>

Memory transfer is not affected by the OverDrive, as the memory bus still
runs at the same speed as before.

>
>       In contrast, when you buy a cpu card for the amiga you get usually
>	greater than ten-fold improvement in performance from the A500 and
>	A2000 machines for the same cost.
>

Ten-fold improvement?  Even for things like, say, reading/writing Chip RAM?

>
>Fred Heitkamp,  ** My opinions only.  Not an organization **
>
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From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Subject: c= press conference i
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:58:53 EST


AL>I have heard that C= is holding a press conference on the East Coast
AL>in Boston and New York to introduce the A4000. Could someone please
AL>email and/or post information on the Boston date?  Where?  When?
AL>General Public invited?  Developers?  BCS Members?

 The A4000 has already been announced. The specs should be floating around
on the nets. If you  haven't read them already here are some of the specs.
 
 25 mhz 68040
 2 Megs Chips Ram
 6 Megs Fast Ram (Expandable on motherboard)
 
 AGA Custom Chipset
 
 New Resolutions
 
 640x480, 800x600, 1280x512 ect.
 
 Can display 256,000 colours on the screen in all resolutions from a 24 bit
 pallete (16.7 million colours)

 120 Meg IDE Drive (SCSI controller optional)

 The Suggested Retail Price is $3699.99! This is lower then the $5000 price
everyone expected! It's also lower then the original Suggested Retail Price
of the AMiga 3000.

          robert.buonincontro&canrem.com
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From: Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: COMMODORE - HERE'S A CLUE
Date: 3 Oct 92 15:45:28 GMT
Reply-To: Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren)
Organization: THULOS!, STROMSTAD, SWEDEN
OD-Comment-To: Frank_R._Dana_Jr.


 FR> While that LCD is the 68000, we're not gonna see a LOT
 FR> of really good A4000 software.

Why not? With the 040's backward compatibility, it will run 68000 code up to
25 times faster than an A500 (extreme case, I know), but this is no
i486-emulating-8088-stuff, this is an Amiga! And with the OS2.0/3.0 screenmode
features in the OS, applications can easily adapt themselves to any
resolution/palette the system can offer.

 FR> A few specialized applications, sure, but nothing major.

Real '040 optimization will be rare until the user base is big enough, but in
the meanwhile, we can study the raw power in the '040 and enjoy an average 13x
speed increase (at 28 MHz)...

 FR> We need to move the '020 and the '030 out of the "high end"

CBM should (IMO) not bother with the '020, since no computer is using it since
the last few years back. It's so slow, but of course, if they could wedge one
in for a REALLY good price, it might be worth it.

 FR> Worrying about things being "backwards compatible" just limits
 FR> the NEW technology to being a weak extension of the old.

Not neccessarily. You could make the hardware incompatible with previous
hardware, but this doesn't mean that software has to be incompatible. If you
switch CPU, that will be the case, but well-behaved programs will run on
different hardware.



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From: petter@pnilsen.UUCP (Petter Nilsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:22:35 GMT
Reply-To: cbmehq!cbmnor!pnilsen!petter@cbmvax.commodore.com
Organization: Ultima Thule Software
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <357@mbunix.adsp.sub.org> mario@mbunix.adsp.sub.org (Mario Bayer) writes:

> >		Overscan (?)		Fully customizable overscan
>
> The FALCON/030 does overscan up to 720x480...

Not very usefull for PAL, I can see...

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From: aldi@phantm.UUCP (Christopher Aldi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Struggling computer science student needs a free A4000.
Date: 5 Oct 92 08:48:26 GMT
 <9712@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> <1aauckINNm2@bigboote.WPI.EDU>
Organization: Phantom Development

While signing checks in a previous life jdutka@wpi.WPI.EDU (John Dutka) writes:
>
>How about this - I'm a poor grad student trying to pay off auto insurance
>and make payents on a Celica GTS and ~$30K in loans, while paying rent,
>assorted expenses, and rather large tuition bills.  Better? :)

Ya, I'll vouch for ya on that one. But I though only ducks had bills? ;-)

Bills? What are bills??? Never heard of them. Make checks & money orders
payable to:

Christopher E. Aldi
ATT: A4000 Purchase Scam
BOX 666
Egg McMuffer, CT 01234 

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From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A growing dislike for Amiga
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:45:52 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

In <1992Oct5.071030.4543@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:

>In article <1992Oct4.184740.4238@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham) writes:
>> 
>> 
>>>What a load of crap.  Every day I think I hate this machine more and more.
>>>Staring at a word processor, you'd swear that you were looking at CGA
>>>text.  Sure they say the amiga has 4096 dazzling colours.. what they don't

>	[stuff deleted]

>	You shouldn't bash the Amiga because you made a bad choice.

Precisely!  It's not the computer's fault.  Everyone has different needs and
when making a major purchase, one should find out if those needs will be met
by the purchase in question. If not, move on.  Just because it doesn't fit
YOUR needs, doesn't mean it's a bad machine - it's just not for YOU.  

>	You should have done your homework first.  Anybody that buys
>	an Amiga 2000 for wordprocessing only has made a mistake.

>> I agree that Amiga isn't a best choice for word processing.  But there
>> is WP 4.1 and I assume that if 4000 sales are strong that Word Perfect
>> will release its 5.1 version which they've already ported.
>> 
Hmmm...I bought my A2000 for wordprocessing and desktop publishing.  I don't
feel like I made any mistake at all.  And I come from Word-for-Windows and
Mac environment usage.  So the screen fonts aren't the greatest - big deal!
The programs get the job done, they get them done easily and each program
seems to do it's best to be compatible with all sorts of other types of
programs.  And when you add a bridgeboard, you've got even MORE flexibility.
(BTW, the only interest I have in my bridgeboard is for transfering things
to the Amiga, where I can use them much more easily, thanks to the multi-tasking.)

Crystal
  ;>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:43:29 GMT
Organization: Ericsson
Originator: etxansk@garbod20

ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans) writes:

>etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se writes:
>
>>  I've never heard of this before. Is the Amiga Workbench considered better
>> than the GEM desktop by non-biased users?
>
>Yes, atleast wi2.x.
>
>              _#      **MMp     g#00   `N##0"    _agN#0P0N#           _#L
>             g##       jN##    j##F     J##    _dN0"      "          g##L
>           _#]##      _0 ##L  jN##F     ###   g#0"                 _03##L
>          gE_j##      #  0## jF ##F    j##F  j##     ______       gE_j##L
>        _0"""N##     d"  J##L0  ##F    0##   0##     "9##F"     _0"""5##L
>      _gF    ]##    jF    ##0   ##F    ##F   `##k     d##     _gF    j##L
>    _g#_    _j##L__g#__   ]N  _j##L_ _d##L_   `#Nh___g#N'   _g#_    _j##L_
>   `""""    """""'""""'    "  """""" """"""      """""""   `""""    """"""

 Are there any non-biased users out there as well? (I mean, just look
at this huge Amiga-logo!)

 Anders Skelander
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
Date: 26 Sep 92 21:14:42 PST
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <1992Sep22.175740.10506@msi.com> by bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras):

> :     This is an exaggeration on Gustavo's part. Normal applications
> :     under Windows (in my experience) don't make any sound at all.
> 
> You must have very limited experience then.  Windows has support for
> device independant sound now.  There are applications which use it.

    I'm sure it all depends on your definition of the word normal. The
    stuff we get (some sort of office package) includes Word and
    Excel, which happen to be the two main reasons we use Windows at
    all, and as far as I know neither support sound.

    Of course, this is coming from a place that doesn't buy sound
    cards for their PCs either, and whose VGA cards have a maximum of
    640x480/16 display.

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From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A growing dislike for Amiga
Date: 4 Oct 92 22:34:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.38994
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

Well, you would never buy a car without a test drive would you?  Why
would you buy a computer without trying it out first?  Same with
software, at least ask the salespeople to have a look at the manuals
first and a possible demo.  [*never* believe a software salesperson.
What's the difference between a software salesman and a used-car
salesman?  The used-car salesman knows he's lying]

If all you wanted was some point/click word processing,
and some telecomm, then a used mac would have been perfect.
Just because an Amiga is perfect for someone, doesn't mean
it's for everyone.  I would never suggest one for my mom
(unless I lived closer to home).  And don't blame your
friend, he probably thought he was doing you a favor.
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From: blackbelt@cup.portal.com (Ben - Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 in stores by October 7
Date: Fri,  2 Oct 92 20:07:08 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

My dealer HAS his a40000's, and in fact, mine was shipped to me today. :^)

Ben
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