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From: bewillia@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Maj. Devon McKnight)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Date: 29 Aug 92 21:56:14 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY


>
>I don't suppose you found THIS quote on the '92 Bulls Championsihp video?
>;) How bout other Larry quotables? Any on there?

	"When it comes to paying tribute to a great player like Bird, you don't
joke around, because it's the kind of thing that can come back to haunt you.  I
have nothing but the highest regard for Larry Bird, who, in my opinion, is the
player to perform at ground level."
			- Michael Jordan
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From: bewillia@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Maj. Devon McKnight)
Subject: Re: Memories of Magic, Larry, and Mike
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY; Royal Air Force
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 14:12:46 EDT



>
>The Bird moment for me was when he took an outside shot (read: BRICK) and
>immediately took off for the right side of the glass because he KNEW that's
>where it would end up.  While all the defenders (can't remember the team)
>were waiting for the rebound, Bird flew (:-)) in and in one motion,
>shoveled the loose rebound into the basket.  My memory of the other team
>is gone but the sight of Larry following up his miss will always be there.
>
>
>Rick Smith	

	I have that particular play on tape, lurking somewhere in my Celtics
videotape collection.  If memory serves, it was against the Rockets.

	Some memories that always seem to stick out in my mind are these:

	1. Celtics at Mavericks.  Celtics down two with, oh, fifteen seconds 
	   to go.  Bird is on a 1-on-3 break, and calmly lofts a running
	   trifecta in the face of some generic Maverick or another.  What
	   makes this memory stand out is seeing the look of utter disbelief
	   and anger on the face of Derek Harper, who had been standing
	   underneath the basket as all this happened.  It really summed up
	   how some opponents felt when Bird performed some of his late-game
	   magic against their team.

	2. Knicks at Celtics.  Bird drives the baseline, and goes up for a
	   layup.  Kenny Walker comes from the weak side to block the shot,
	   but when he realizes that he can't, decides to foul Bird hard. Well,
	   hard is a little bit of an understatement.  Jeff Ruland would've 
	   been proud of the hit that ol' Kenny put on Larry.  Anyway, Bird put
	   the ball up a split second before Walker clubbed him (in the side of
	   the head with a forearm, BTW).  It hung in the air for a bit, and 
	   went in.  Mike Gorman, of SportsChannel New England was doing the 
	   game, and could only utter "oh-ho-ho..... OH-HO-HO" as this 
	   happened.

	3. Cadavers (no flames... at the time, they _were_ the Cadavers) at
	   Celtics.  Loose ball merrily rolling down the court.  Phil
	   Hubbard chasing for the Cavs.  Suddenly, Bird appears out of 
	   nowhere to chase the ball for the C's.  As the ball is about
	   to roll out of bounds, Bird dives on Hubbard's back, and slaps it 
	   off his body.  Both men go crashing to the floor in a heap.  What
	   a scene.

	Those are only three of my favorites, that haven't been mentioned
before.  There are so many.  In fact, I think I'm going to watch "A Tribute
to Larry Bird" right now...
	Here's something that Red Auerbach said about Bird...

	"...If I had to put a team together, and start from scratch, the
greatest player, and the player I would want would be Larry Bird. <applause>
Now... now that's not easy for me to say, because I never had the pleasure of
coaching Larry.  I coached Russell, you know, ten years or whatever... but
after a lot of soul-searching, and a lot of analysis, that's the best player
ever played the game."

			- Dev
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: FIVE ALIVE
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:06:56 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul) writes:
>Here are today's Top Five Lists from the Home Office in Montreal Canada:  

>5 guys who dont pass the ball:
>Dominike Wilkins 

 	Dominique has really improved in this area since his early years
	when he scored 30ppg.  He has developed into a more "complete"
	player now, and actually falls somewhere between 3rd or 4th on
	the Hawks assist list.

>Terry Porter

	Funny how Porter is supposed to be the pont guard on the Blazers,
	yet U list him as someone who doesn't pass.  Interestingly enough,
	however -- it was Drexler who led the team in assists this season
	not Porter.

>Armon Gilliam
>Moses Malone
>Tom Chambers

>5 white guys who can dunk that aren't 7"0:
>Rex Chapman
>Name 4 more if you can!!

	OK... I will.
	Tom Chambers -- 6'10"
	Dan Majerle -- 6'5"
	Craig Ehlo -- 6'7"
	Chris Mullin -- 6'7"

>5 teams on the downfall:
>Detroit
>Boston

	I would hardly consider the Celtics on the downfall.  Albeit
	their frontline of McHale and Parish are old -- the base of the "new"
	Celtics are younger players -- i.e. Lewis, Gamble, Brown, Douglas,
	Fox, etc.  I would consider them more of a team building for the
	future.

>Lakers
>Portland
>I cant wait till the Bulls hit rock bottom (I hate Pippen)

	While the Bulls may not win next season, it's going to be a while
	before the Bulls hit "rock bottom".  Considering Jordan is 29,
	Pippen and Grant 26 -- they should be around for awhile (as long
	as Jordan doesn't join the PGA too early).

	Jazzy J
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Spurs Update
Keywords: Spurs
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:55:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BtnG99.2AM
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


	What's the status on former UNLV and Final -4 MVP Anderson
	Hunt?  He was always a Tark favorite.  Does he have any chance
	at making the Spurs?

	Jazzy J

	"Johnson grabs the rebound -- tosses up to Anthony on the break,
	it's a 3 on 2... Anthony guns a one handed pass to Hunt stationed
	on the side for 3... swish..."
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From: 11telliott@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Zarathustra)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Miami Heat Mailing list
Date: 30 Aug 92 06:31:26 GMT
Organization: Gallaudet University

Is there a e-mail bitnet list about the beloved team of the South, the Miami
Heat? If so, count me in... Many thanks,
-- 

Todd Elliott
11TELLIOTT@GALLUJ (Bitnet)
11TELLIO@GALLUX.GALLAUDET.EDU (Internet)
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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Which Team is More Popular:NBA or NHL?!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:56:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.204026.7577@rti.rti.org>, wgr@rti.rti.org writes:
> In article <1992Aug27.160438.25110@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com writes:
> >If the NBA is more popular than the NHL, it is undoubtedly due to TV
> >exposure, or the lack thereof.
> 
> Yeah, that and the fact that basketball is the most wonderful thing ever
> conceived by man, while hockey is an utterly idiotic little game played on
> *ice*, for cryin' out loud.  Even ESPN, the network that brings us monster
> truck races and arena football, refuses to show ice hockey.  I'd just as
> soon compare the NBA to professional wrestling.

I'm glad you enjoy basketball so much, I do, too.  Afterall, I wouldn't
have read your article if I didn't.  But I enjoy hockey just as much, if
not more, so I can't allow your comments to slide by.  According to some
report I remember reading, hockey was the favorite sport amongst college
educated people.  So I guess it's not all that idiotic a game after all.

> Notice that I was too chicken shit to post this to rec.sport.hockey.  Some
> goon from over there (if anybody really cares enough about hockey to read that
> group) would probably track me down and beat me to death with his damn stick.
> You know how those people love violence.

No fear, I did you a favor and cross-posted it to the hockey newsgroup
with your e-mail address included:-)!


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Hey, it's alot better than my Sixers .sig!
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Lloyd Danielsd (was Re: Spurs Update)
Keywords: Spurs
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:59:10 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee

In article <1992Aug27.131714.21284@cci632.cci.com> dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.234426.19135@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>>>In article <55883@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>>>>
>>>
>>    I hope he sucks. In fact, I hope the whole team and their cheating SOB
>>    of a coach sucks. Everybody talks about what a great coach Tark is, but
>>    I'm not too impressed with a guy who blatantly cheats to get the best
>>    players to come to his school. I don't think it's that tough to post a
>>    great career W-L record when you pay the best players to come to your
>>    school and you play a creampuff schedule. I'll be happy as hell to see
>>    Utah stomp all over them this year.
>>
>>    --salty
>>
>>
>
>Tark is a great coach. He motivates and receives great admiration from his 
>players. He has, over the years, recruited some of the best players in college
>basketball to the desert. He has done what a great college coach is suppose
>to do Win Baby, Win! 

    Just winning (a la the Raiders) at any cost is a nice attitude for the
    pros since the majority of the players are living well (of course since
    that's also the case at UNLV maybe my argument is slightly shot). But in
    college I believe some sort of ethics should be lived up to. Getting guys
    to come to the desert isn't too tough if you give them benefits and let
    them know they're coming to a pro basketball factory. But what happens to
    the Rebels who aren't good enough...

>He will, hopefully, be able to become a winner at this level also. Oh can't
>coach, eh? What was last years team? A mistake? He could have jumped ship
>after the loss to Duke but he hung on and made a winner out of a team that
>lost its entire starting lineup. I admire him for that...
>
>					Dennis Joyce
>
    I didn't say he can't coach, just that he's overrated. I also admire him
    for sticking with his players, that's a good trait. But I also disadmire
    (I know, that's not a real word, but anyway..;) him for openly cheating
    and, as a result of that, promoting that it's okay to cheat.

    --salty
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From: yount@crchh473.BNR.CA (Jeff Yount)
Subject: Hornets/Mourning Negotiations?
Keywords: Hornets
Reply-To: yount@crchh473.BNR.CA (Jeff Yount)
Organization: BNR
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:16:24 GMT

Does anyone in the Carolinas ( or wherever ) have
any information on the negotiations between the Hornets
and Alonzo Mourning? I think everyone here in Dallas has
decided to ignore any NBA discussions for obvious reasons.
If you have info on Alonzo please post. 
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From: cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG)
Subject: Re: Memories of Magic, Larry, and Mike
Originator: cmgrawbu@c00551-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:45:13 GMT




Don't forget that shot that Larry took as he was falling out of bounds 
from behind the backboard!!!!

Or Magic's game 6(?) against Phily when he started at------center!

Chris
From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Boston Celtics' Rick Fox
Date: 25 Aug 92 13:43:09 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <24031@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>I am wondering how Rick Fox, a former North Carolina star, is fitting 
>into the Boston Celtics' plans.  Now that Larry Bird is gone, does this 
>mean that Fox will be playing more?

The only person to benefit from Birds absense as far as pt is concerned
is Eddie Pinckney.  Bird stopped playing/played little small forward
last year.

The only way Fox can get more pt is if the refs dont treat him like his
name is Rick "the Hun" Fox.

---
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"It's a terrible thing to loose one's mind, but what's worst is
to not have a mind at all"  --  PRESIDENT (1994) QUAYLE Addressing
				United Negro College Banquet
				Dan should know
WORDS OF WISDOM FROM NAT X :
"Only the man would make alL the white keys on a piano big and
 all the black keys small."
"You know which man I'm talking about.  The same man that would
make it so that a bunch of white guys with sticks can beat up on
a poor little black thing.  I'm not talking about Rodney King,
I'm talking about Hockey"
From: wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Who's gonna win it all? (was Re: Predictions)
Date: 26 Aug 1992 11:48:17 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Aug26.155210.11728@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
|>In article <1992Aug25.192309.7676@cc.umontreal.ca>, iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul) writes:
|>|> Milwaukee             Good beer
|                          ^^^^^^^^^
|   At least we something going for us!
|

Not!  Name one good beer produced in Milwaukee.

Rick

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From: rda455w@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (H. Nguyen)
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:26:03 GMT

In article <4218@3cpu.rain.com> edrury@.UUCP (Ed Drury) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.232647.23645@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> rda455w@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (H. Nguyen) writes:
>>I want to put this comparison into another perspective. I was wondering If
>>it was possible for any player to win all three events at the Allstar game
>>(Three point shoot out, Dunk comp and Allstar MVP) ? 
>
> I don't know of a rule against it.
>
>>The only player who I could think, either in the past or present, would be
>>Mike. He has already won the Dunk comp and Allstar MVP and come pretty close
>>in the 3-point shoot out. I think this is one of the challenges he would
>>like to win before he retires.
>
> Refresh my memory. Which year(s) did Michael win the all-star game MVP and
>which year(s) was he entered in the 3 point contest?
>


  I should have mentioned it earlier, but the player would not have to win all    the events in the one year.   That would nearly be impossible. 
 

FLY.

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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: Trevor Wilson Update
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 15:38:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.213621.3312@cs.ucla.edu> lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange) writes:
>
>The best thing about Trevor, however, was that he taught Don MacLean
>everything he knew...

Not quite everything.  Fortunately for UCLA, MacLean chose not to attend 
the day Trevor gave his clinic on free throw shooting.

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
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Subject: Re: Hasn't Laettner signed with Minnesota yet?
From: alecb@gacvx1.gac.edu
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:29:01 -0600
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College, St. Peter, Minnesota
Nntp-Posting-User: alecb


He hasn't.  They are waiting on Charlotte to sign Mourning and set the salary
range.  Hopefully soon!!!

Stuck in Minnesota,
			Alec
From: c1h3384@rigel.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Who's gonna win it all (was Re: Predictions)
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:22:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug27.212833.13214@unislc.uucp>, gsd@unislc.uucp (Greg Dodd) writes...
>My picks look something like this: AS OF August 27, 92
> 
> 
>                Portland (4 - 3) over New York in the finals...
> 
>Here's some more prediction for the '93 season:


Do you really think that New York can do something this season?
Forget it. Do not be too naive! What they did in the palyoffs last season
was purely a fluke, and I definitely do not think they even have a chance
this season. Not even close. Granted, Riley is an excellent coach, but he
can not do it on the court by himself, unless Magic joins his team. 

If there is a team that is good enough to beat Mike & Company, it may be
Cleveland, but not New York. No way!

Don't believe? Let us waite and see. My prediction:

Da Bulls Three in a Row!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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From: rns@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Robert Noel STURROCK)
Subject: Re: Australia vs. NCAA teams
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 08:04:21 GMT

IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Thomas Hyer) writes:


>  How many NCAA teams could have beaten the Aussie
>olympic squad?  How would they have done at the
>NCAA tournament?

>  My best guess is that Australia could field a
>borderline top 20 team.  Let's think about it:

Given that the US team was *extremely* fortunate to beat Australia
for the bronze in '88, how can you say that the Australian olympic
team is not even a top 20 NCAA side?  Weren't the old US teams
supposed to be comprised of the *best* college players?



Rob
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From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Subject: Re: FIVE ALIVE
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 20:28:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.184734.2536@cc.umontreal.ca> iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul) writes:
>Here are today's Top Five Lists from the Home Office in Montreal Canada:  

>5 white guys who can dunk that aren't 7"0:
>Rex Chapman
>Name 4 more if you can!!

Tom Chambers
"Thunder" Dan Majerle
Detlef Schrempf
Fred Roberts (yes, Fred Roberts)

All these guys can throw it down pretty good.
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From: ortcm@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (thomas.mcguigan)
Subject: Re: Clippers/Knicks/Orlando trade
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:36:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.134908.13088@research.nj.nec.com> adam@research.nj.nec.com writes:
>What??  Can anyone confirm this?

The MAgic confirmed the offer today .  Stanley Roberts is reportedly saying
that he will NOT agree to the trade, so it may not come off.  He will be
meeting with the Magic staff today, so we should know something soon.  My
guess is that he will relent on waiving the no-trade clause, but may look
over the other offers the MAgic have recieved (reportedly 5 other teams have
indicated strong interest), and pick his favorite.  Otherwise -it may be
a long season on the bench (a la Sam Vincent).

>I don't understand.  It doesn't really make sense for the
>Knicks.  Are you sure they were to get Rivers and Kimble?  Smith I can
>understand.  But the Knicks currently have Gerald Wilkins, Rolando
>Blackman, rookie Hubert Davis, 2nd-year PG Greg Anthony, John Starks,
>and Mark Jackson.  There's no way they're going to carry 6 guards, and
>if they move Jackson and end up with Rivers and Kimble, they'll have
>7!  And it would be uncharacteristic of the (now) solid Knicks front
>office to trade more draft picks after swapping their '95
>first-rounder for Rolando Blackman.

The draft pick and Rivers and Kimble are probably the price the Knicks have to
pay to get Smith.  Especially if the Clippers are over the cap - they would
need to end up under the cap after the trade (just my best guess).

Tom@Orlando
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bird, Jordan, Magic...
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:20:03 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <5598@igor.Rational.COM> msmiller@Rational.COM (Mark Miller) writes:
>
>It's an insult to a great player that people keep this "Bird would have
>been a nobody if he wasn't white" crap going on.
>
>I look at it this way: if you had to show a 5 second clip to capture the
>essence of Bird, Magic, and Jordan the Jordan clip would be a slam,
>the Bird and Magic clips would be amazing no-look passes to teammates.
>And I think THAT says it all.

I personally couldn't come up with a "5 second clip" to show the essence
of any of them, but with Jordan you could use any of the following.The
infamous show the ball change hands and cross under the hoop shot from
2 years ago against the Lakers in the finals, the off balance leaner 
over Craig Ehlo to beat Cleveland from a few years back, the block on
Patrick Ewing where he comes from behind and takes the ball away, the
between the legs dribbling show (where he made Bird look like a statue)
before drilling the shot in the 63 point game, a million shots of
one handed rebounds where he just goes up forever and palms the ball
like his hand is a suction cup.

For me a Bird highlight would be the step back for the jump shot or
any of a million great passes.

Magic would be the baby hook, or the 3/4 court bounce passes on the 
money for a layup.         





Russ Smith
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From: u1781ag@unx.ucc.okstate.edu (Andy Lowery)
Subject: Re: Mike
Organization: Oklahoma State University Computer Center
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:59:04 GMT

[...stuff deleted...]
>Nobody compares to Mike in the last 3 minutes of a game.  He hits the last
>6 shots of a tight game, not just the last one and everyone in the place knows
>it.  The Celtics always could count on the starting 5, even in crunchtime. 
>Nobody compares to Mike at the end of a game because if you need a basket,
>he finds a way everytime.  He seemed to do it every playoff game in'89.
>Remember.
>
>David Olsen

I remember one certain game in the '91 championship series where Mike
did not come through.  Remember when Sam Perkins hit the three with just
a few seconds to go?  Well, our hero had an open shot to win (or was it
tie?) the game, and bricked it.  Had he made it, the Bulls could have swept
the Lakers.  Ok, ok, so that was just once, but you said "everytime".

Andy Lowery
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From: lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave)
Subject: Re: Basketball Hall Of FAme
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:57:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.062801.11445@nuscc.nus.sg>, med50005@nusunix2.nus.sg (TAN CHOON KIAT) writes:
> 
> Where is the Basketball Hall Of Fame?  I'm thinking of visiting the US
> sometime next year, and would like to pay this place a visit.
> 
> 
> 

Springfield, Massachusetts, my home town.

Dr. Norman J. LaFave
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