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From: kellyc@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Irish Phys Ed Teachers Reject Vatican Statement
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:13:49 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland


I found this out today.

=======

At its AGM in October, the Physical Education Association of Ireland 
passed a motion objecting "in the strongest possible terms to the 
statement by the Vatican, this July, in relation to the employment of 
homosexuals in the area of games education".

The PEAI is the professional body of physical education professionals in 
Ireland. About 70% of its 400 members are PE teachers in second level 
schools in Ireland, and most of these are employed schools run by the 
Roman Catholic church.

The order of business at the meeting was amended specifically to ensure that 
the motion would not be `talked out' by other business. The executive had 
originally scheduled it to arise as item 13 on a 16-item agenda.

All of PEAI's members have a professional qualification at university degree 
level or equivalent in physical education.

=======

If anybody wants to use the above text in their local queer publication, feel 
free provided my authorship is acknowledged. If you want to wait a while I 
will be meeting some senior officials of the association tomorrow to get 
comments and reaction/expansion/explanation to the motion and/or Vatican 
statement.

Cathal
From: osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado tactics
Date: 5 Nov 1992 20:41:07 -0600
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1dc1dsINN7nk@gap.caltech.edu> kanga.caltech.edu!magney (Michael Agney) writes:
>Some of the tactics discussed here as means of getting Colorado to see
>what's wrong with Amendment 2 (i.e. trying to demolish the economy by
>sending for thousands of free catalogs, calling 800 numbers, etc.) are
>likely to backfire with the general public.  I know that, were I not the
>rational being (:-) that I am, I would be somewhat frightened by a
>full-barrel attack on my state just because "a bunch of faggots" (not my
>opinion, repeat, NOT MY OPINION) were a little displeased by the results
>of a referendum.

First off, I want to tell you that you have a well considered argument
here.  But, here is what I see wrong with it:

1.  By hurting the Colorado economy, we can provide amunition for
    OTHER opposition groups in other states to use when the fight
    spreads.  "Colorado went anti-gay and their economy was damaged,
    don't let it happen here."

2.  Knowing that the attacks will stop as soon as the amendment is
    nullified will help encourage the public to vote to repeal it
    in the next election.  (You HAVE started collecting signatures
    to get it on the ballot, right, Colorado?)

3.  Telling a company "I'm not buying from you because of this amendment"
    is certainly effective.  Less so, but still helpful, are general
    guerilla economic attacks because they show up in the general
    economic health reports of the state.

Please, everybody, keep posting addresses and phone numbers.  And, if
you can think of some good ideas, post those too.



-- 
-
-John H. Osborn                     - Boycott Colorado
-osborn@cs.utexas.edu               - Enforced discrimination MUST NOT STAND
-DOD# 2001  '92 BMW Paris-Dakar     - Queer, Proud, and Angry
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: Gerbiling and acceptance of other peoples' info. !!
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:31:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.134352.29920@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
gsmith@clio.uucp (Eugen W. Schmidt) writes:
>
>Well, joke away, but this is serious.  I seen an actual movie of
>Bigfoot.
[...]
>The evidence mounts up.

Speaking of mounting Bigfoot, have there been any sightings of his
bear code?

--John
-- 
John Flanagan                          ||"Pretty boys
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu           || with the sunshine faces
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| <mumble mumble>..."
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822    ||   -- My Bloody Valentine
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Charlie Fulton <charlie@isis.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: A Dumb Question, But...
Organization: Ctr for Advanced Rsrch in Oppressive Binarisms
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:02:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.035805.20856@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> Frederick
Vaughn, fvaughn@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu writes:
>I'm just curious as to what the "O" stands when people write "LGBO" in
>their posts. Other? Something else I haven't thought of at all?

The "O" stands for "omnisexual", i.e. people who are attracted to both
living creatures and inanimate objects.

Charlie
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: TCI Letter
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:13:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: macc.1992Nov5.221328.16566
Distribution: usa
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


The Honorable Paul R. Soglin, Mayor
City of Madison
210 Martin Luther King, Jr. Blvd.
Madison, WI 53701

Dear Paul,

You are doubtless aware of the passage in Colorado last
Tuesday of a Proposition 2, amending their State
Constitution as follows:

  [text provided]

You can readily imagine, I'm sure, the cries of outrage this
legislation is producing all over the country.  Among the
responses are calls for boycotting travel to or through the
state, purchases of goods or services produced by Colorado
manufacturers or providers, cancellation of conventions and
other group business in the state, and denial of income to
businesses having their corporate headquarters there.

Among the last-named category is TCI Cable Television, with
which I believe Madison has an exclusive contract
enfranchising their delivery of cable services in the city.
Madison has taken progressive positions on issues outside
the city limits proper any number of times, as you well
know, having spearheaded some of those efforts.

Though I am neither a lawyer nor an expert of any other kind
in such matters, I would nevertheless like to recommend that
the City of Madison take such official actions as it can to
serve notice to TCI and any other Colorado-based businesses
having contracts here that Madison cannot in good conscience
continue to do business with any firm that does not
aggressively oppose legislated bigotry and hate.

Indeed, I hope that a legal basis might exist under both
Madison ordinances and Wisconsin statutes to mandate that
these governments are enjoined from entering into or
maintaining any contracts with firms that practice, endorse,
or foster discrimination and hatred of this sort.

At a minimum, I hope that you will lead the Common Council
by introducing and passing a suitably condemnatory
resolution on this matter and following up in any and all
appropriate ways.

With best wishes,
-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper)
Subject: Re: Colorado tactics
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:10:19 GMT

In article <1dc1dsINN7nk@gap.caltech.edu> kanga.caltech.edu!magney (Michael Agney) writes:
> Allow me to introduce myself.  Though I'm not motss, I am willing to keep

Then I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume what follows is your
interpretation of what other people might think.

> 
> Some of the tactics discussed here as means of getting Colorado to see
> what's wrong with Amendment 2 (i.e. trying to demolish the economy by
> sending for thousands of free catalogs, calling 800 numbers, etc.) are
> likely to backfire with the general public.  I know that, were I not the
> rational being (:-) that I am, I would be somewhat frightened by a
> full-barrel attack on my state just because "a bunch of faggots" (not my
> opinion, repeat, NOT MY OPINION) were a little displeased by the results
> of a referendum.

I'm sure Germans in 1935 would have been somewhat frightened by a
full-barrel attack on their country just because "a bunch of dirty
Jews" were a little displeased by the Nuremberg Laws.  Giving them that
attack might have save millions of lives.

Evelyn C. Leeper  |  +1 908 957 2070  |  att!mtgzy!ecl or  ecl@mtgzy.att.com
--
"God does not play dice with the universe."  --Alfred Einstein
"Not only does God play dice with the universe, but sometimes
        He throws them where they cannot be seen."  --Stephen Hawking
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.homosexual,alt.feminism
From: koex0001@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Looking for a Queer Friendly Place
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:57:39 GMT

The Twin Cities is definitely a lbg friendly place. The creative writing
program here is pretty reknown, and from personal experience, lives up to
it's name. Most recently, Trish Hampl, who is on faculty here just got a
McKnight grant (or is it another grant). I'm not as familiar as I would
like to be with the writing programs per se, but there is a very
writer-friendly environment here. Of note, we have the Loft and Hungry
Mind bookstores where many readings take place.

As for lbg related writing, you may be aware that the Feminist Press (or
something like that) just moved to Minneapolis from the West Coast. The
Jame White Review is also published in Minneapolis.

With regards to the community, Minneapolis/St Paul is being hailed as the
gay mecca of the mid-west. Since u're from St Olaf, u probably already
know that. And if u're concerned with the size of the U, it won't really
matter 'cos once u're in your program and in your department, it'll feel
just like family again.
-- 
                                 STUey!
||||||||||||||||||||||||koex0001@student.tc.umn.edu|||||||||||||||||||||||||||

"Power is an aphrodisiac, and I'm a very powerful person"             -Madonna
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Okay, what makes a Gay or Lesbian turn Republican?
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 06:54:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.054826.5135@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) wrote: 
>->I think that it's something genetic.  There is the homosexual  
>->gene and the Republican gene.  Surely one overpowers the other!
>
>i think you're a fucking moron.  honestly.

And I think you're being obtuse.  Donald is parodying stupid theories of
sexual orientation in this and his earlier articles, even as he's asking
a legitimate question.  His tongue is firmly in his cheek.

>whatever makes you think that gay people ought be predisposed to one
>political philosophy or another?  

He was talking about political parties, not political philosophies.
Frankly, I am even more surprised to find self-admitted gay Republicans
than practicing gay Catholics, after the venomous, self-congratulatory
debacle of the summer's convention, not to mention the debacle of the
past 12 years.  AIDS first appeared on Reagan's watch, and the government's
response to this widening epidemic was simply a reflection of the Party's
"I've got mine" attitude.  There's no surprise there, really.  You could
go on and on with similar stories, none of which need to have directly
to do with lesbian and gay people, but which should concern people of
any persuasion.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Social Democracy
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:39:12 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Nov10.125819.15755@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu
(Jess Anderson) wrote:

> read, you know, as in thinking, and these boys definitely
> come up short in that department.

Better a short 'boy' than something to which the word couldn't
possibly apply (perhaps even on two counts...).

*X*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: john@banzai.PCC.COM (John Canning)
Subject: Re: Airfare (was Re: Good news, Good news, Bad news and revenge)
Followup-To:  john@banzai.pcc.com
Summary: be careful
Organization: The People's Computer Company, Williston, VT
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:39:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.133930.26246@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu
(Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov5.071618.10645@netcom.com>
>rich@netcom.com (Richard Poppen) writes:
>
>>Upshot:  If you can go somewhere else for a comparable price on the same
>>airline, you can move your trip and lose only $25/person.
>
>Certainly true with United.  When I had to abort my planned trip
>to SF in September, my agent told me to just hang onto the ticket,
>which in effect becomes a coupon worth $25 less than I paid for it,
>usable as cash toward any trip with United for up to a year.
>

Be careful!

The rules vary from airline to airline and from fare to fare.  The concept
of turning a ticket into money has been around for a long time.  About two
years ago though, it went away completely.  With the fare wars this summer,
it came back - but only with certain fares.

To attest to this fact, I have a stack of unused tickets on my desk.  I've
been able to recycle some of them, but not all.

Having said that, just remember that a ticketing agent at the airport can
do just about anything they want to, no matter what the rules say.  So,
if you are polite, friendly, and happen to offer the ticket agent a
chocolate bar or two, you'd be surprised at what can be accomplished.

Also remember that Customer Service agents inside the airport follow
rules very closely, as do the reservation people at the 800 numbers.
They will only bend rules when the airline has done something to mess
up your schedule (weather does not count).

Xref: sparky soc.motss:47314 alt.politics.homosexuality:7126 co.politics:1897
From: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:39:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov13.013941.1824
Reply-To: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Colorado Springs, CO
Originator: tchrist@pixel.convex.com
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

From the keyboard of gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand):
:nor should refusing to hire a gay for a job I have.

And by extension....

    nor should refusing to hire a black for a job I have.
    nor should refusing to hire a veteran for a job I have.
    nor should refusing to hire a woman for a job I have.
    nor should refusing to hire a Jew for a job I have.
    nor should refusing to hire a Japanese-American for a job I have.
    nor should refusing to hire a Catholic for a job I have.
    nor should refusing to hire a grandmother for a job I have.
    nor should refusing to hire a bachelor for a job I have.

Are you sure??

--tom
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson, Buchanan, Helms, VOTE!!!
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 14:00:28 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson):
> Yes, progress is possible now that the Democrats are in power 
> and the Republicans are busy fighting amongst themselves out
> in the wilderness somewhere.

it will be interesting to see what happens to the Republican
party.

however, on Larry King Live last night, Pat Robertson made it
clear that his "Christian" Coalition is mounting a grass-roots
campaign to wrestle power away from the Democrats.  his campaign
is starting at the county level and will be working itself
up the political power ladder!  he intends to infiltrate the
political system from the ground up!

i wanted Larry King to press this issue with Pat so we could
get some more details about Pat's plan, but of course, Larry
wimped out and changed the topic.  does anyone else hate this
dude as much as i do?  his interviewing style is like Pollyana
asking for a coke at the five and dime.  anyone with half a
brain would have jumped on Pat for details...well, i guess
Melon would have just smiled and regurgitated Roget's against
"intellectuals."
-- 
Queer Without A Cause!
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pink dollar, red circle slash...
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:49:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov7.004904.29643
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Nov6.203022.22584@nevada.edu> balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks) writes:
>The Triangle works.  It's simple.  It's pink.

yeah, but it looks awful against typical white-person skin. I was
trying to find a pink triangle earring to wear, because I like the
idea of always being identified as queer but I'm too lazy to transfer
a button around from shirt to shirt. But pink triangle earrings look
terrible against my sortof pink skin.
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                                    D is for lots of things
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: phi@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Aeleck)
Subject: Re: Scott Masden
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:30:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.160822.12748@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>In article <1dtq1gINNjej@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>
>his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM writes:
>
>>>Scott says hi to all his fans, by the way.
>
>>Do I take this to mean you know him?
>
>Probably, but I suppose you might take it otherwise.
>
What a wonderful way of not answering a question!  Come'on Jess!
We're all dieing to know!  Do ya?????????

Sitting impatiently,
Patrick                                      /  
                      /          /          /        
     __      __    __/_  _          __     /         
    /  \    /  \    /   / \    /   /  \   / \        "If you're not having
   /   /   /   /   /   /  /   /   /      /\_/         fun, you're doing some-
  /\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/   \__/\__/\___/ /   \__/      thing wrong." -Patrick
 /
/            Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado
Xref: sparky soc.motss:47211 alt.politics.homosexuality:7084 co.politics:1850
From: rhiann@carson.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Another reason OR went no, CO went yes...
Date: 8 Nov 92 05:11:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov8.051147.7681
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Sorry if someone has said this--traffic is heavy enough these days
I do a lot of skimming--but one of the big reasons that OR went
No was because prominent Republicans came out against it.  

In Oregon, the OCA had already pissed off the Republican establishment
so much many of them were glad to have to come out to help us against them.
In CO, the CFV was a new organization.  The Repubs were wary of them, but
had no reason to hate them.  Normal republicans, who didn't feel that strongly
about the issue (and let's face it, very few straights do feel that 
strongly for us--it's not their problem) had no reason to take the risk
that speaking out on No on 2 entailed.

We've done a lot of joking about gay Republicans, but they are necessary. We
need to have politicians beholden to us in both parties.
(They still gag me though...)

--pale==bitter--stout
	Sandy
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: the purpose of soc.motss (was: off-topic discussions)
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:44:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov9.004411.5278
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1djqkhINNor7@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>Could you please explain what it is, exactly, that you'd like to see
>written about here to the exclusion of all else?

I know. Let's split soc.motss! Yeah! Here's what I propose:

soc.motss.cooking
soc.motss.diesel
soc.motss.movies
soc.motss.icons
soc.motss.gardens
soc.motss.info
soc.motss.politics
soc.motss.cocktail.party
soc.motss.cocktease
soc.motss.straight-acting
soc.motss.queer

and of course:
soc.motss.nice
soc.motss.mean (moderated by adolphso@usc.edu)

I'd propose soc.motss.sex, but that would surely mean the Imminent
Death of the Usenet.
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                         I can live forever in formaldehyde
From: platinum@montage.UUCP (Doug Swallow)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: from Florida to Colorado
Distribution: world
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 21:26:18 GMT
Organization: Software Environments, Inc.

> I'm going to be in the Ocala area in Florida this Christmas (Spending
> it with the folks) and was wondering what kind of gay community is
> in the area.  We (some straight friends and I) will be there for a
> week or two and are planning on spending some time at DisneyWorld,
> Seaworld, and maybe a couple others. (With at least one trip to the 
> beach!)

Contact the Gay & Lesbian Community Center, 750 W. Colonial Dr., Orlando, FL
32804, 407-425-4527 & 407-THE-GAYS (24hr computer-based info service) for
information about Central Florida organizations and activities.

The 1993 Bisexual/Gay/Lesbian Directory to Businesses, Professionals and
Organizations was just published and is available free of charge at
supporting businesses throughout Florida, or for a modest postage and
handling charge, from the Out & About Books, 930 N. Mills Ave., Orlando,
FL 407-896-0204.


> I don't have a Florida  map handy, but I was kind of wondering how
> far Miami is from Orlando? (which is the farthest south I think we're
> getting)

From the Disney region, it is possible to get to downtown Miami in just
over 3 hours, taking the Florida Turnpike, at a cost of about $9.10 in tolls.


--
/ Doug Swallow
|Internet:   platinum@montage.uucp     |Mail: 7927 Clubhouse Estates Dr.
|CompuServe: 75776,1011                |      Orlando, Florida 32819-5026
|Phone:      407-236-0153              |Fax:  407-352-3111

Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
From: tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: How Many Homosexuals?
Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:48:23 GMT

One approach to estimating this would be to find some way to calculate it
based on other estimated factors.  For example, 9% of men over 65 are
either single or divorced.  Assuming that by the time one reaches 65,
even gay men who got married before they realized that they were gay
are likely to be divorced, this would put an upper limit of 9% on
the percentage of gay people over 65.

If one could estimate the number of gay men who get married, and the
number of straight men who never marry, one should be able to get a
reasonable estimate of the number of gay men based on the number of
men who never marry (which is where most gay men should be) adjusted
for the number of do marry and the number of straights who don not.

This won't be conclusive, of course, but combined with independent
estimates from other sources, it could lend confidence to some other
estimate.

--Tim Smith
Newsgroups: soc.motss