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From: d10652@tanus.oz.au (Paul Parker)
Subject: Mabo 2
Organization: Pro-Net Australia
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 21:45:13 GMT


 Well I should have looked at yesterdays paper before copying in
 the Mabo text.

 The Weekend Australian September 5-6,1992 page:3 :

Quotes ON >>>>>>

                 Land claim on island resorts

 The Yidinji Aboriginal people have claimed land rights over two
 north Queensland tropical resorts owned by Japan's Daikyo Inc 
 and a section of World Heritage rainforest.
 
 Their application made to the Supreme Court in Cairns yesterday,
 is based on the recent High Court decision in the Murray Island,
 or Mabo, land case.

 The islands, Green and Fitzroy, and the rainforest are part of a
 tract of north Queensland that the Yidinji claim has belonged to
 them "since time immemorial", despite settlement by other
 Aboriginal people, the establishment of tourist resorts and World
 Heritage listing.

 The Murray Island case abolished the legal fiction of terra nullis
 -that the land was uninhabited before white settlement.

 The ruling was conditional on the fact that the claimants could 
 prove uninterrupted occupation of the land.

 The Yidinji are challenging the Queensland and federal governments
 and the Yarrabah Aboriginal Community Council, which holds sections
 of the claimed land under deed of grant in trust.

 Solicitor for the Yidinji, Mr Roland Cantley, said the group had
 lived continuously on the mainland near Yarrabah Aboriginal 
 community, a coastal area south of Cairns.

      <<<<<< Quotes OFF



If anyone on this posting is also watching the Germany topic, I would be most
interested in hearing what they are doing about the Eastern Land that was
reclaimed by people after re-unification.

regards,
         Paul
  INET: d10652@tanus.cec.edu.au
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From: sysnet@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (David Morrison)
Subject: Re: Kookaburra sits in the old gum tree
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 11:55:39 GMT

In article <37706@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan) writes:
> I remebember singing the following song whilst attending primary
> school in Melbourne in the mid-late 70's.  Anyone else remember
> it...?
> 
> Kookaburra sits in the old gum tree
> Merry, merry king of the bush is he
Laugh kookaburra, laugh kookaburra
Gay your life must be!

> Corrections/variations/additions/additional verses are appreciated!

It's a round, ie, a second voice (or group) starts from the beginning when the
first voice (or group) begins the third line.

I had never heard it until about two years ago, when a couple of friends (of 
the same age) sang it. Turned out that they had learned it at primary school, 
on the ABC's singing program (Let's Join In). I subsequently found it in the 
ABC songbooks of that era which our library happens to have a fairly complete
set of.  They are really excellent for learning songs, particularly if you can 
half remember the tune from primary school :-)

David Morrison, Manager, Networks and Comms, Uni of Newcastle, Australia
sysnet@cc.newcastle.edu.au or (VAX PSI) psi%0505249626002::sysnet
Phone: +61 49 215397
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From: rap@news (Ross Paterson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Are foreignborn kids of UK citizens british??
Date: 14 Sep 92 10:40:41 GMT
Reply-To: rap@doc.ic.ac.uk
Organization: Dept. of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
NNTP-Posting-Host: peaberry.doc.ic.ac.uk

From article <BuIsuK.6Hu@newcastle.ac.uk>, by w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk:
| here's the question
|   Are the foreign born children of British citizens resident abroad
|   entitled to British citizenship?

You become a UK citizen by descent if you are born outside the UK and
at least one of your parents is a UK citizen otherwise than by descent,
i.e. by birth, naturalization or registration.

Ross
From: tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Looking for e-mail addresses at the University of Melbourne
Date: 15 Sep 92 07:07:52 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego



Help!

I have the names of two contacts who are likely to be able to put me
in touch with my sister at the University of Melbourne.
Unfortunately, I do not know the extension of their e--mail
addresses.  Does anyone know what they are likely to be (they study
Dental Science).

The contact names (e-mail style) are:

     rofficer@.........
     jclement@.........


Can anyone out there help me fill in the rest?  Your help would be
greatly appreciated.



Tom Marvan.


 


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From: ccd@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Carol C Denehy)
Subject: Re: Kookaburra sits in the old gum tree
Organization: None, and I like it like that
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 05:05:39 GMT

In article <jwb.715822316@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au> jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:
>tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan) writes:
>
>>I remember singing the following song whilst attending primary
>>school in Melbourne in the mid-late 70's.  Anyone else remember
>>it...?
>
>>Kookaburra sits in the old gum tree
>>Merry, merry king of the bush is he
>>Laugh, Kookaburra, laugh
>>Oh how gay your life must be!
>
>About 12 years ago my wife was on the committee of the Nursing Mothers'
>Association in Victoria which was collecting material for their now
>well-known and popular children's songbook "Merrily, merrily". One of
>her tasks was to track down the copyright holders and seek permission
>to publish the songs. 
>
>"Kookaburra sits ..." turned up some interesting information. She got a
>letter from the woman who wrote it. It was written for a Girl Guide
>Jamboree in SA in, I think, 1937. I seem to remember it won a competition.
>The composer, whose name escapes me, was (in 1979) in a nursing home, and
>has probably gone to the great Guide Camp in the sky now.
>
>We got permission, so you can find it in any copy of Merrily, merrily,
>available at your nearest.....
>-- 
>Jim Breen                           JIS:$B%8%`!!%V%j!<%s(J
>Department of Robotics & Digital Technology. Monash University. 
>PO Box 197 Caulfield East VIC 3145 Australia (ph) +61 3 573 2552 
>(fax) +61 3 573 2345  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au  

While I am now in Australia, I learned this song either in primary
school or in Girl Scouts in the US. It was a popular camp-fire song.
And this was in the 1950s. At that point in my life I don't think I
had a clue what a kookaburra or a gum tree were.

Carol Denehy
From: rahman@ces.cwru.edu (Rahman A. Soomro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Rain Relief Fund
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:19:33 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
NNTP-Posting-Host: easy.ces.cwru.edu


Dear friends,

Recent rains in Pakistan have caused devastating effects on the 
daily life of the Pakistani people. Scores of people have lost there
lives and more than a million have been homeless.

	I appeal to you to help our brothers and sisters in need
and donate some money to help them. Please send your contribution
(tax deductible) with your name and also I request you to collect 
donations from any source -- your colleagues at work, friends, business
associates, customers, persons from any nationalities and backgrouds
to help people in trouble. 

	We are tying you help suffering peoples, who are suffering
from disease and malnutrition.

Please mail your contributions to:

Pakistan Rain Relief Fund
4105 Providence drive
St. Charles, MO 63304
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From: chesky@squirrel.austin.ibm.com (Bill Chesky)
Subject: Obtaining a Australian "Green Card"
Organization: IBM, Austin
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 17:31:10 GMT

I am posting this for a friend.  Please respond via e-mail to 
the address at the end of this note.

Thanks,

Bill
------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE:  Obtaining a Australian "Green Card"

I wrote the Australian consulate and requested a "Green Card"
application form.  (I.e. The papers necessary for me to obtain 
work in Australia as a foreigner - US citizen.) They sent back 
some 15 page thing titled "Application for Migration to Australia".  

Well I filled this thing out and got all the proper paperwork
in order and then I saw that they wanted a $285 application
fee.

Then I started thinking - is this right form?  

I got a job not too long ago in Germany just by showing up
in Munich and having a company sponsor me.  Can the same be 
done in Australia?  (I am UNIX/C programmer if it matters.)

BOTTOM LINE:
Is it necessary for me to start this "immigration" process 
rolling if I want to obtain a job? 

NOTE:

I've tried calling the consulate but since it's long distance
I've been going broke waiting in the queue.


Thanx for your help.

Garret Grajek
garretgr@itx.isc.com


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From: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Are foreignborn kids of UK citizens british??
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:13:31 GMT
Reply-To: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Organization: Chemical & Process Engineering Dept, University of Newcastle, UK.


  I believe you can't lose British citizenship just by taking up
  citizenship of another country.  If this is true it means any 
  Briton who has taken up US etc citizenship can get a new UK 
  passport whenever they want.

here's the question
  Are the foreign born children of British citizens resident abroad
  entitled to British citizenship?

Or are they doomed forever to be without UK citizenship :-)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian

Yes, So what's your point!
From: paulq@spider.co.uk (Paul Qualtrough)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: What is Perth like?
Date: 5 Sep 92 11:42:54 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK

Hi s.c.a readers!

I'm considering moving to Perth to do a degree, but want to know something
about the place since life exists outside university too!

I'd appreciate any and all critiques of Perth as a place to live, especially
from those that have moved there from elsewhere, and thus have some basis
for comparison.  Comments of the type "I came from X where I really loved/
hated <something>, and when I moved to Perth I found that it was much worse/
better because..." would be really useful.

Keep common or garden descriptions of the climate and geography to a minimum,
but do offer a sentence or two on them.  The one geographical thing I would
like to know is how far you have to go to find something different - not
better nor worse, just different.  Hey - I'm a Kiwi - our country changes
too quickly!  (But I did like my two years in Wollongong, so I've got an
open mind and an affinity for the OZ way of life :-)

All replies welcomed, via email to...
-- 
paulq@spider.co.ukBeingPaulQualtroughOfSpiderSystemsSpiderParkStanwellStreet
EdinburghEH65NGUnitedKingdomTel+44(31)5549424ext4269(atleastforthetimebeing)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:17:43 EDT
From: <TAS137@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: info on americans in australia?


We're two american students considering studying in australia for a
semester.  Can someone 'down under' tell us about engineering schools at
canberra and melbourne?  How about german schools?  on top of that,
we'd also like to know about the social and relaxation scene - we do
need study breaks every now and then.  specifically, what are the beaches
like?   the bars?  are the beaches and bars within easy striking distance
at three o'clock in the morning when you've been studying so much that you're
afraid that your head will spontaneously combust, and you just have to
make a road trip without a car? is it socially cool to hitchhike across
the continent? what is the live music scene like? --most importantly,
are the girls there better than ours? excuse my barbarous question, ladies.
do you have ren and stimpy down there?

worth dixon
Todd fisher
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From: gleeson@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Red Mountain)
Subject: Re: USA Agricultural Subsidies
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 12:39:33 GMT

In <miw.715839305@cc.uq.oz.au> miw@cc.uq.oz.au (Mark I. Williams) writes:
>moorerr@msu.edu (richard r. moore) writes:
>>But realize that we are in a very dirty presidential campaign.  And 
>>president bush is loosing right now acording to the polls.  Surely, your 
>>prime ministers have made promises (or even passed sweetheart budgets) 
>>shortly before calling an election.
>Yes, our politicians are at least as bad as George Bush when it comes to
>doing culpable things to win elections. Currently we are paying for a
>State Bank that went bust partly because the Premier of the state
>manipulated its lending policy to fix elections.

You too? (I assume you're talking about Qld). Here in Victoria we're suffering
from a woeful performance from the current Labor Govt. (mostly due to the
recession, but whatever party is in power tends to get the blame for those),
but here's the alternative: The Liberal Party, who propose:

To "create" tens of thousands of new jobs by paying employers $2500 for
each new person they employ. This should have employers laughing all the
way to the bank, getting money from the government for employees they would've
hired anyway...  And they have the gall to criticise the Govt for their
financial (mis) management...

To (effectively) throw out all wage awards. Enterprise bargaining is a 
fantastic system when both employer and employees are working together, but
this basically says to the scum employers: "Screw your employees any way
you like, and we'll support you 100%". And this is just what they will 
reveal before the election.. they won't even make all their policies public
until after the election!

Marty.
----------------------=============***O***=============-------------------------
Martin J. Gleeson   | Computer Science, Melbourne Uni, Oz |    ...  __o    Outta
gleeson@cs.mu.oz.au |  E Pluribus Unix  |  BIKE  IT   !!  |  ...   -\<,       my
" We gladly feast on those who would subdue us." - Addams |  ....(_)/(_)..  way!
 "I can't give you brains, but I can give you a diploma." - The Wizard of Oz
----------------------=============***O***=============-------------------------
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From: rjlov@ecr.mu.oz.au (Richard J. Lovejoy)
Subject: Re: Looking for e-mail addresses at the University of Melbourne
Organization: Dept. Engineering Computer Resources, Melbourne Uni.
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:03:27 GMT

In article <38071@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan) writes:
>
>addresses.  Does anyone know what they are likely to be (they study
>Dental Science).
>The contact names (e-mail style) are:
>
>     rofficer@.........
>     jclement@.........
>
>Tom Marvan.
>
	Looking in out /etc/hosts file the only likely one I can see is
	murningulpa.dent.unimelb.EDU.AU

	This may not be correct, but its the best I can do
	Richard
	

|---------------------------------------------------------|      ///
| Richard Lovejoy, Sci/Elec Eng, Melbourne Uni, Australia |     ///
| Email: rjlov@ecr.mu.oz.au or rjlov@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au  | \\\///
|---------------------------------------------------------|  \XX/
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From: 10710736@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ANDREW EDGAR)
Subject: Re: Kookaburra sits in the old gum tree
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 08:56:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.143014.13110@fys.ruu.nl> johnston@fys.ruu.nl (Helen Johnston) writes:
>
>In article <37706@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan) writes:
>>
>>I remebember singing the following song whilst attending primary
>>school in Melbourne in the mid-late 70's.  Anyone else remember
>>it...?
>>
>>Kookaburra sits in the old gum tree
>>Merry, merry king of the bush is he
>>Laugh, Kookaburra, laugh
>>Oh how gay your life must be!
>>
>>Corrections/variations/additions/additional verses are appreciated!
>>
>Yes, I remember it well, though I think the last two lines should read
>
>	Laugh, kookaburra, laugh, kookaburra
>	Gay your life must be!
>
Correct. Now for a scool yard version I learnt in the late 70's.

Kookaburra sits on the electric wire, 
Doesn't even know his pants are on fire,
Laugh kookaburra, laugh,
Gay you life musrt be.

there are others but at the moment I can't remember them.

A kokahkahkahkahkah (an atempt at spelling a kookaburras laugh) 
  for now



            AA                                  EE
           AAAA                                EEEE
          AA  AA                              EE  EE
         AA    AA                            EE    EE
        AA      AA                          EE      EE
       AAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW      WW      WWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEE
      AA   AAAA   AA   WW    WWWW    WW   EE
     AA      AAAA  AA   WW  WW  WW  WW   EE
    AA         AAAA AA   WWWW    WWWW   EE
   AA            AAAAAA   WW      WW   EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE   SOME
From: dunleavy@acsu.buffalo.edu (Houston Dunleavy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: "Waltzing Matilda" lyrics??
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:21:02 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <BuAEpK.6Gq@acsu.buffalo.edu> dunleavy@acsu.buffalo.edu (Houston Dunleavy) writes:
>In article <1786@grivel.une.edu.au> dwright@metz.une.edu.au (Denis Wright) writes:
>>
>>I always wondered about the line
>>
>>"Where's that jolly jumbuck you've got in your tuckerbag?"
>>
>>- I mean, doesn't he *know* where it is??  What's the swaggie
>>to reply? - "Ummm ... in me tuckerbag, mate!"
>>:)
>>
>Actually, the line is "Who's that jolly jumbuck etc." 

	Er....I think I mean "Whose" as in "Whose is that?"

Cheers all,
-- 
Houston Dunleavy, single Aussie composer-in-exile. Peace, light and love to you
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." Dr. Martin Luther King.
	"It is better to write for yourself and not have a public, 
than to write for the public and not have a self" Cyril Connelly. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: ghm@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au (Geoff Miller)
Subject: Re: Recreation in Aus..
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:58:50 GMT

s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA) writes:

>In article <20248@plains.NoDak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
>|
>|Hello Guys,
>|
>|What Australians do for their pastime. When I mean recreation,
>|I mean what sports they play(other than cricket,ofcourse).

>Rugby League, Rugby Union, Basketball, Netball, Swimming,
>Squash, Aerial Pingpong (called Australian Rules Football in
>Victoria), Tennis. 

Also target shooting  -  rifle, pistol and shotgun.  Australians
didn't do briliantly in the Olympics, but at the Commonwealth Games
level our shooters have had a lot of success.  (OK, I had to 
emphasise my own main sporting interest.)

Then there's golf, soccer, badminton, baseball, sailing, water sports of
various kinds, skiing, ice-skating  -  there's even an ice-hockey
league.  At least in the major cities you can find facilities for most 
if not all of the above and probably more.

Geoff Miller  (g-miller@adfa.oz.au)
Computer Centre, Australian Defence Force Academy
From: dbooth@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (david booth)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:16:36 GMT
Subject: Re: SUMMARY OF OLD PAGAN CULTS
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian

I second Victors comments about this and the previous religous
postings. Get the crap off of my notes group!!!

DB

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From: nales@cs.few.eur.nl (Aad Nales)
Subject: Re: USA Agricultural Subsidies
Organization: Erasmus Universiteit Rotterdam
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 09:52:14 GMT

brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones) writes:

>George Bush has recently announced an expansion of the agricultural Export
>Enhancement Program (EEP) to US$3 billion.  This action is expected to cost
>Australia's efficient and unsubsidised farmers up to A$750 million in lost
>export earnings.

>It's fascinating to think that the USA, the land of the free market and free
>enterprise, sees nothing wrong with agrarian socialism.  It looks as though
>the USA believes that distortion of market forces and increased agricultural
>production unrelated to demand (in a time of falling commodity prices) is
>what capitalism is all about.

>Why not go the whole way, George, and instead of subsidising your apparently
>inefficient farmers, just pay them a salary unrelated to their production and
>efficiency?  Then you could have agrarian communism in the land of the free.
>That'd be a neat little paradox you could get a few votes with.

>I hope the American farmers drown in their own sea of overproduction, because
>the USA economy won't be far behind if this sort of subsidy of inefficient
>industries continues.  Same goes for the EEC!

>There, I feel much better now.

I agree with you, but not for the same reason. Even though being
australian and seeing your crops go to waste must be hard it is even
harder for African farmers. The enormous overproduction in EEC and USA
is one of the main reasons the African foodproduction is so miserable.
Still the subsidy are a shame.

Aad Nales

-- 
*   nales@cs.few.eur.nl | tel: 03110 4120107 | fax: 03110 4028469 
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From: john@citr.uq.oz.au (John Gottschalk)
Subject: Re: USA Agricultural Subsidies
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:57:36 GMT

tonnison@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (james tonnison) writes:

>> harder for African farmers. The enormous overproduction in EEC and USA
>> is one of the main reasons the African foodproduction is so miserable.
>> Still the subsidy are a shame.
>> 
>"enormous overproduction"?! Guess that dispels the myth that the
>worlds population is too large to feed itself and we need population
>control.

I have always heard that there is plenty of food in the world to feed all
adequately. The problems are 

	* distributing it to the hungry, 
	* wealthy (e.g. western countries) eating more than they need to 
 	* many poor countries not being able to afford the food
	* war, especially in Africa where some famines have occurred
	because war displace the farmers, rather than famine being
	a result of drought

			-- regards, John Gottschalk

===================================================================== 
     John Gottschalk (john@citr.uq.oz.au) 
     Centre for Information Technology Research,
     The University of Queensland, 4072, 
     Brisbane, Queensland, Australia,
     +61 7 365 4321 (phone), +61 7 365 4399 (fax)
===================================================================== 
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From: kerry@citr.uq.oz.au (Kerry Raymond)
Subject: Re: could these be the ORIGINAL Waltzing Matilda lyrics?
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 04:56:28 GMT

>  Sorry, guess I missed your posting. The book says that WM was "originally
>published as sheet music" in 1903... it would be interesting to see how the
>lyrics fit the tune... 

I've always known that there were two slightly different sets of lyrics
because of the two tunes. The one with "my darling" and "leading the
waterbag" goes with the less well-known tune (although it was the
first version that I learnt -- but then, I'm from Queensland).

Over the years, I've tended to merge the two sets of lyrics in my own
mind. But when you sing with the less-well known tune, you automatically
add in the "my darlings" or it wouldn't fit.

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