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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Naked strangers to avoid  -or-  Johnson on Miss Manners (cough)
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:25:08 GMT

SubGenius writes:















	Although I can't exactly see what all the fuss was about, I'll 
	point out that neither did I take offense at the comment in 
	question, nor did I intend offense by my own comments (usually 
	it's reasonably obvious when I'm trying to cop an attitude with 
	someone--my diction gets distressingly intricate).







	Yours etc.,






	SubGenius

I don't know about distressingly intricate, but your consummate use of
white space has us all totally enthralled.  Its so, so,... How do i put 
it? Its you!

							Fido



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From: markmc@sierra.com (Mark McWiggins)
Subject: No, avoid the major motion picture instead (was: books to avoid)
Organization: Sierra Geophysics Inc.,  Kirkland, Wa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:45:03 GMT

egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:


>".....now a major motion picture....."

That would have kept you from *Prince of Tides* (wonderful book, IMHO).

Instead, I refused to see the movie, as Barbra Streisand is *not* my idea
of the psychiatrist in the book. Nor is Nick Nolte the coach ...
--
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From: oliver@baobab.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Oliver Sharp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Worthwhile newspapers (WAS Re: Why I read the Economist
Date: 6 Sep 1992 23:58:56 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: baobab.cs.berkeley.edu

One source of news that I'm fond of is the Washington Post Weekly.  Like
its parent newspaper, it devotes a good deal of attention to the world inside
the Beltway.  However, I have found its world events coverage to be quite 
good.  It has great political cartoons, too :-).  The writing is generally
quite good and not pitched at the USA Today readership.  A number of the
regular columns are worth reading (David Broder, for example).  The WPW
won't replace a good daily newspaper, but it makes a nice supplement.  For
my main source of news, I rely on the NY Times and All Things Considered.
Public radio hasn't followed TimeWeek to the depths of idiocy, thank heavens.
The local papers are pretty bad; the SF Chronicle and Examiner just don't
cover the world news with any kind of acceptable depth.  They have their
uses, as does the San Jose Mercury News, but they just don't come close to
replacing the NYT.

- Oliver
From: natasha@cadreor.cadre.com (Natasha Oza)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: British mysteries
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:39:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cadre Technologies Inc of Beaverton Oregon


I am looking for recommendations for new authors
to try in the "English-detective-story" genre 
(don't quite know how to describe this, but the 
story is always set in England/Scotland/Wales, 
with a few aristocrats thrown in!)

So far, I have more or less read everything written by
Agatha Christie, Ruth Rendell, Ngaio Marsh, P.D.James, 
Elizabeth George, Caroline Graham and Dorothy L.
Sayers.

Please send me e-mail rather than posting; I don't
get to read this group very often.

Thank you

Natasha
From: lon@edsi.plexus.COM (Lon Ponschock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: utopias and distopias that changed my life
Summary: A book that changed my life
Keywords: Giles Goat Boy,John Barth
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:18:50 GMT
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI


==>  Combining two threads here, I profoundly remember John 
Barth's _Giles Goat Boy_ as a significant experience in my 
exposure to literature.  Only the literati posting here can 
confirm if this novel is a true distopia.:-)

Hello Crawford Killian.  This should be the start of another 
interesting thread.

lon
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From: gere@umunhum.stanford.edu (Susan Gere)
Subject: Re: RABfest '92: the fourth day.
Summary: a madcap recap
Keywords: But would you want these in _your_ living room?
Organization: You, too, can have one in your home town!
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 18:30:03 GMT

Enquiring Minds wanted to know how it went.  Herewith my
version:


It was a dark and stormy night. The wind howled. A maid 
screamed. Suddenly, a shot rang out.

Any not in attendance were the subject of intimate gossip.
Resolutions were passed against frequency, density, and the
lack of white space in posting. Debate on unregulated line 
length spurred discord over capital punishment. 

our Mystery Guest, Faith Bell of the eponymous bookstore,
lurked and took copious notes which she will pass out at
the next A.B.A. meeting.

Dorothy Sayers, in the guise of Heidi, read an epistle on 
"Bed-worthiness;" exactly as it sounds. Dani stumped us with 
Piers Ploughman, and john-mc recited Higaboo the Hottentot.

The cloaked hostess and her eminence gris were mysteriously
silent. The secret of the madeleine cookies remained encoded
cryptically in the crumbs.

A large van lumbered into the drive packed with sleazy-looking
paperbacks, only four of which were deemed suitable for 
introduction. We must assume the rest were issue of Barbara 
Cartland or perhaps Piers Anthony. 

A special videotaped appearance drew a startling conclusion:
that Mark Tarantoanto, Joe Green, and Mickey Zelaney are one 
and the same person. (Well, has anyone seen them together? -
Case closed.)

Meanwhile, a young doctor was growing up in Kansas.

_______
Cover notes: an unforgettable tale of wry humour, pageantry,
and a young woman's descent into library paste.
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From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: Re: Looking for a book:  _I am Legend_, Richard Matheson
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 04:15:39 GMT

Kyle Grieser writes:
>My father has been looking for this book for about 20 years.  Does anyone
>know anything about it?  I'd really appreciate any info you could give
>me.  My dad says that he heard that it was re-published last year, yet
>he still can't find it anywhere....

I don't have any bibliographic info for the recent re-publication, but
as the SubGenius has already--most lyrically--said, your best bet is
used bookstores.

In my experience, the most common edition is the 1971 Berkley Medallion
paperback, which was released in conjunction with the Warner Brothers
film.  This edition has "The Omega Man" (title of the '71 movie)
in large print on the front cover, but does have _I_Am_Legend_ on the
spine.  The cover is white with black lettering, and has a curious
illustration--Charlton Heston holding something that looks like
a cross between an flashlight and a machine gun, with hooded figures
juxtaposed, and one very large hooded figure, looming, like a very
hip king vampire, in the background.

What I like about the story of _I_Am_Legend_--the saga of the last man
left alive when everyone else on Earth has succumbed to an epidemic--
is that even though it's superficially about vampirism, the nature of
the disease is flexible.  It's a story that can be reinterpreted again
and again for the spread of the plague, zombies, AIDS, or any other
disease that transmits through human contact.  And indeed, the book
is better known for its being the inspiration for Romero's "Night of
the Living Dead," than for the two movies (before Charlton Heston,
Vincent Price played the starring role) more directly based on the
events in Matheson's tale.  In other words, don't think of it as
just another book about vampires.

Other quality horror titles from the 1950's include:
	_The_Sound_of_His_Horn_ by Sarban
	_Lord_of_the_Flies_ by William Golding
	_The_October_Country_ by Ray Bradbury
	_Nine_Horrors_and_a_Dream by Joseph Payne Brennan
	_Psycho_ by Robert Bloch
	_The_Haunting_of_Hill_House_ by Shirley Jackson

					--Fiona, 
					   "much possessed by death"

P.S.  I corrected the spelling of Richard Matheson, in the subject heading
of this posting.
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Ideas for promotion of short Novel?
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:12:57 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <93130001@hpcvia.CV.HP.COM>, 10e@hpcvia.CV.HP.COM (Steve_Tenney) writes:
> A friend of mine is getting a short novel published by a small press this
> fall.  Their budget seems to be pretty small for promotional purposes, also
> they are located on the east coast.  He was wondering what sort of low cost
> self-promotional strategy he could pursue on the "left" coast?
> 
>     Steve Tenney                   | "Your problem isn't karma, Sheldon, 

A lurid sex crime with chain saws and livestock?  That should make
the book sell well.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: thoughts on recent books
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:50:03 GMT


rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires) writes:
 
    _What's Bred in the Bone_ by Davies
 
        The High Priestess of the RAB Circle of Eight assigned this
        one for us to read :) and it was quite enjoyable.
        A 'good read,' as they say.  I just have to complain though
        (not really a complaint, more an observation) that I don't
        feel like I learned anything new by reading this book.
        What I mean is that I feel that the author comes from exactly
        the same culture that I do, and all the observations he makes
        about, for instance, Catholicism being more intellectual/liberal
        compared to Protestantism, the Medieval proclivity for
        symbol-making vs. the modern psychological concept,  Age of Reason
        vs. Age of Faith, etc. fit in so well with what I already know,
        that they came out sounding like platitudes which did not
        effect me all that much.  However, the part where he paints
        the picture of his life, and the different and interlocking
        interpretations that others extract from it was well done.
        Also, there is a strong thread running thru the novel emphasizing
        the influence of genetics/upbringing (and the stars, which
        dovetails nicely with the medieval/modern reconciliation
        that he seems to be aiming at -- great!) versus chance that
        I'm interested in following up -- but I'll leave this for the Circle.
        All in all, it went down smoothly (almost *too* smoothly
        for my taste, as above) and as this is apparently the first
        of a trilogy, I may be reading more of Davies, though I
        might back up to the Deptford Trilogy, as that was
        mentioned in the earlier thread on Psychological Books....
        Anyway, certainly this was more memorable than :
 
I hope that the fact that Roger learned nothing new from WHAT'S BRED IN
THE BONE does not put others off the book.  It should be realized that
this means that Roger knows a lot, rather than that Davies shows us
little.  I learned a lot about art from this book, and find something
new in each of Davies' books.
 
WHAT'S BRED IN THE BONE is actually the second book in the Cornish Trilogy,
not the first.  The first book is THE REBEL ANGELS, which I liked quite
a bit.  I don't think that much is missed by switching the prder of the
first two books.  The third book, THE LYRE OF ORPHEUS was a bit of a
disappointment, but had its moments.

Backing up to the Deptford Trilogy, as Roger considers, might be a good
move.  All three books are good, but FIFTH BUSINESS (the first) is one
of the best books I've ever read.  If I ever used a .sig quotation, I
might consider one from this book.  I was reminded recently of the
response of the preacher's wife, when she was asked why she had sex with
the hobo.  She responded with something like "He was ever so polite, and
he wanted it so badly."
 
And just what is this RAB circle of eight?
 
Mark
From: burt@techbook.com (Burt Keeble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: SUBMARINE STORIES
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:31:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Sep9.013136.5894
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 220-0636

Hi.
    I'm trying to locate a copy of "Blow All Ballast".  This book was
    written 50+ years ago by Nat A. Barrows, who covered the Squalus
    Disaster for the Boston Globe.   It was read to me when I was a
    child, and I would like to read it to my kids.  I remember it as
    a really exciting, and realistic book.

    Has anyone out there heard of it, and/or have a copy?

    -burt

burt@techbook.com

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From: twain@milton.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin)
Subject: Re: books to avoid
Summary: Miss-ing in action 
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:14:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.223257.26217@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com 
(Fiona Webster) writes:
>
>That is all for today.  Since Miss Manners is already taken, I shall
>adopt the moniker of Ms. Officious Courtesy


May I be Miss Communication?  


--Barbara 




Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: utopias and distopias
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 12:23:42 GMT

Tom Maddox writes:

	Crawford Kilian writes:

	[matter on utopias/dystopias omitted]:

		These are the traits of "anatomy" as defined by Northrop 
		Frye in his Anatomy of Criticism (1957)--a work I commend 
		to all book-lovers. Frye deals with subject lucidly and at 
		some length.

	Can we take up a collection to buy Crawford Kilian a critical work
	later than 1957?  Either that or to buy him two weeks at the Clinic 
	for Deprogramming Those Addicted to Literary Archetypes?

	Or I suppose we could just go on letting him believe in the 
	"anatomy."

Difficult to see just what point Maddox is trying to make. Frye uses
"anatomy" to represent the Menippean satire as opposed to the novel.
As Marilyn Butler puts it:

	A common feature is the concentration not upon character, as
	in that other narrative form, the novel, but on itellectual
	attitudes and themes.

				*Peacock Displayed* Routledge 1979 p 56

Butler then goes on to quote Northrop Frye:

	The Menippean satire deals less with people as such than
	with mental attitudes. Pedants, bigots, cranks, parvenus,
	virtuosi, enthusiasts, rapacious and incompetent professional
	men of all kinds, are handled in terms of their occupational
	approach to life as distinct from their social behaviour. The
	Menippean satire thus ... differs from the novel in its
	characterization, which is stylized rather than naturalistic,
	and presents people as mouthpieces of the ideas they represent
	... A constant theme in the tradition is the ridicule of the
	philosophus gloriosus...

Killian seems pretty much on target, and I join him in recommending
Frye's *Anatomy of Criticism* (Princeton, 1957) as an illuminator of
the utopian scene. 

					Fido

					There's no place like Utopia
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From: spb0457@zeus.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Subject: Re: Naked strangers to avoid  -or-  Johnson on Miss Manners (cough)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:27:00 GMT

Francis Muir writes...
>I don't know about distressingly intricate, but your consummate use of
>white space has us all totally enthralled.  Its so, so,... How do i put 
>it? Its you!
>							Fido

+-----------------------------------------SubG------------------------------+
They say that it is important for readers to understand that a writer doesn't
always reveal himself in his or her writing;  I suppose on average my posts
are a case for the antithesis.








		[this space intentionally left blank]






Yours etc.,




SubGenius

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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: The White Man's Burden of Proof
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 22:22:48 GMT


jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU writes:

> Now that I see the context of "insidious intent" in "The Lovesong
> of J. Alfred Prufrock, I no longer have the remotest idea what
> Mark Taranto meant in suspecting Clayton Cramer of it. 

I'm going to try to make this simple, so that even Professor McCarthy
can understand it.

	1.  I NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER accused or suspected
	    Clayton Cramer of insidious intent in this thread!

	2.  What I DID say was that I suspected that OTHER people
	    (i.e., NOT ME) might suspect him because he used
	    language similar to some fringe groups.

	3.  I NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER said that he therefore
	    ought to modify his language.

Memorize these three points.  There WILL be a quiz, and one Stanford
professor seems to be behind on his homework.

Love and kisses,

Mark
From: fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Encyclopedia Brit.
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:56:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

>I thought about it, and spent an afternoon in the library looking up
>a list of words I put together to reflect my various interests.  I
>concluded that the encyclopedia's role as a compendium/summary of knowledge
>was getting in the way of its role as a reference tool.  It took too long
>to find where the information I wanted was hidden, and knowing where to
>look often required a fair amount of background knowledge.  Also, although
>much of the material technically consists of 'signed' articles, it was
>hard to judge how much faith to put in many of the articles.
>
>(Then there's the perennial problem with encyclopedias:  Much of their
>material has a fairly short half-life, and the annual updates are more
>trouble than their help is worth in this regard.)


     Used encyclopedias.  I picked up an 11th edition of the Britannica
from an old-books place a couple of years ago for $150.  To catch up on
black holes and neutron stars no two-year-old encyclopedia can possibly
be as good as this month's _Scientific American_ or the like.  On the
other hand, for the humanities the ... eighty? ninety? ... year old 11th
is incomparably better than any edition since.  Signed articles?  Some of
these are more like inflamatory theses nailed to a door with a dagger.  
*Ferociously* opinionated and combative -- witty -- marvelous fun.

                                               -- jf
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From: zombolas@credence.com (Gene Zombolas)
Subject: FOR SALE:  Pulp Reprints
Organization: Credence Systems Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:43:34 GMT

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	The Torture Trust
	Corpse Contraband
	Curse of the Crimson Horde
	The Corpse That Married
	Claws of the Corpse Cult
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From: wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: A Reply to Professor McCarthy's query on films
Date: 15 Sep 1992 05:52:48 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au

francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:

>INFIDEL signs off:

>	John Wojdylo
>	Melbourne 
>	September 1992

>One of the 10,000 Poles who has left WOZ for the sheepish clime of
>Victoria? 


Though the literary (and other) attractions here be many, the land of
the endless white beaches beckons.


>						Fido

JW
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Bookstores in Various Cities List (rec.arts.books)
Date: 7 Sep 92 16:45:51 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr)

In article <1992Sep5.013743.4407@athena.mit.edu>, jfc@athena (John F Carr) writes:
>I recommend the "Chester County Book Company" in Westchester, PA (~20 miles
>west of Philadelphia).

That's West Chester, PA.  I think of it as ~50 minutes out from 69th street
by bus, myself.

>		         They don't seem to turn over their stock as much as
>most bookstores: there are more older books than you usually find (at least
>in paperback).

CCBC is a pleasant medium sized bookstore, always good for something.  They
will special order anything, so far as I know.  They have two stores, one
in either of the two WC shopping centers.  The larger one is the regular
store.  The smaller one is filled with remainders and WCU texts.

>	         They have about 50% more books than their shelves will hold;
>there are many stacks of books not on shelves.  They also have a pair of
>very large birds, fortunately confined to a cage.

Yes, but they smell and squawk, sometimes quite loudly.  I don't think I
ever really got used to them.

>I don't know the address, maybe somebody who lives in the area can provide
>it?

They're in the phone book if you need it.  Each of the relevant shopping
centers are immediately off of one of the three Route 202 WC exits.

While in the area, look for Baldwin's Book Barn, a converted barn.  It is
possibly the largest used bookstore in the Philadelphia area, and it is
glorious.  Exton (the next town over) has another fine used bookstore.
Right next to the Burger King next to campus is a little old ladies'
little old books' bookstore.  Not much of a selection, but I always buy
a few from them when I'm in the area.  The Downingtown Farmers' Market
also has a few used bookstores, along with stuff you just don't find in
any other mall.

And what the heck, check out Jimmy John's, a few miles eastwards.  World's
best hamburgers, with adequate toy train action to accompany any meal.  I
still remember the shock I had as a teenager when I went back after they
modernized so far as to include seats.  But they did not modernize the
burgers or their buns, so it was cool.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
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