HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jpw@minerva.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Fistful o' Datas Comments (Spoilers)
Keywords: good and bad parts
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:25:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Drexel University, Philadelphia PA



***SPOILERS)***










If the datas on the holodeck had the speed and accuracy of the real data
(shuffling the cards), then how could Worf, who couldn't hit a ferengi
with a phaser shoot the gun out of data's hand?


I know, I know, it's all in fun... but come on...

-- 
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jpw@coe.drexel.edu              ---o-(_)-o---       rank, but I never wanted
                                                    to be anything else but 
KA3VJY						    an engineer" - Scotty
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From: rccarm00@nx19.mik.uky.edu (ron c carman)
Subject: Re: What's the Opinion on Geordi's Beard?
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:43:51 GMT

trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell) writes:

>vincent@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Victor W. Wong) writes:

>>It's a silly question, but is "Quality of Life" the first episode in
>>which we see Geordi with a beard?

>    Sorta...  Data asked him if he planned on letting it grow in last week's
>episode, "Fistful of Data's".  He and Geordie had a small discussion at
>the beginning of the show.

   Actually, Geordi had a beard in an episode previous to "Fistful",
though I can't remember which one at the moment...

RC Carman

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From: chrisa@fc.hp.com
 (Chris Anderson)
Subject: Re: Why 30 minute show?
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:33:27 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.1 PL6]

I talked to the  programming  guy at KWGN and he said that the show  started at
5:30 instead of 6:00 because of some  basketball  game or other.  I could SWEAR
that I saw the  credits  roll at 6:00  however.  It will  be  rebroadcast  next
Sunday he said.  Hmmmm....
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From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Subject: Re: Points to Ponder: The Quality of Life
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:18:11 GMT

odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin) writes:
:)  "Home Soil" meets "Evolution" with little or no continuity.  I kinda liked
:)  watching it, though.  More farther down your screen.






:)  - Speaking of the beard:  It was amusing seeing Geordi mimicing some of
:)    Riker's mannerisms (particularly the ramrod straight back while raising an
:)    eyebrow at Dr Crusher).

Hey! Geordi seemed pretty easy-going... oh! You said ramrod straight
through his *back* like Riker...   :)

:)  - Good use of the hand-held camera.  Frakes seems to like using them (see
:)    "Cause and Effect") and uses them well.

Maybe his acting has something left to be desired, but he's a VERY good
director.

:)  - Crusher seems to get pushier every episode...

Actually, I don't think she was all that pushy here. I like the fact that
she took an interest in Data's experiment, and tried to help out with it.

:)  - Then there's Data...  "I am unique."  What about Lore?  "I do not re-

Well, I think he means unique in that at current, there's no potential
for an entire species.

:)    produce."  What about Lal, and the entire episode that went with it?

Depending on how you define it, he can't reproduce. He tried, it started
to work, and failed. Kind of similar to a mother passing on a dominant
genetic trait to all of her children that eventually kills them (yes, I know
it can't happen, but I can't think of any other examples :).

:)  - The longer the show goes on, the more I dislike Gerordi as Chief Engineer.
:)    Nothing ever affects him...  "We're about to die?  No prob.  Push that but

You're complaining that he keeps his cool and doesn't panic? I'd say that
would make a GREAT Chief Engineer.

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From: aeckert@diana.cair.du.edu (AMY E. ECKERT)
Subject: Re: The Official Dorm-Rec Review of "A Fistful of Data's" (spoilers)
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 01:58:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.185202.16145@u.washington.edu> tonyg@byron.u.washington.edu (Anthony Gades) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.073110.5746@u.washington.edu> cw@carson.u.washington.edu (Cheryl Walker) writes:
>>In article <rawdon.721809957@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>>
>>Current clothing and beauty ideas are all geared towards the ideal
>>that you seem to appreciate.  You certainly have the right to your
>>own tastes, but even though my butt is in all likelihood larger
>>than Sirtis', I will continue to judge myself by _my_ body type,
>>and not Cindy Crawfords.
>>
>
>which makes me glad that _you_ were not the one wearing the leather
>pants on the episode.
>
>-tony
>
I'm glad that not all men are as sexist and shallow as you are!

Amy

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From: pjb@cci632.cci.com (Phil Busardo)
Subject: Banana Plug??
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:47:22 GMT

I'm not one for Trek bashing cause I love the show, but did anyone 
catch the banana plug on the end of the optical cable used to 
interface with the Exocomp?  A banana plug?  Come on.  They 
could have found a better prop than that.
From: gkatz@csws4.ic.sunysb.edu (Gerald W Katz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Official Dorm-Rec Review of "A Fistful of Data's" (spoilers)
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:16:37 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook

In article <lmahoney.36@chemdept.chem.ncsu.edu> lmahoney@chemdept.chem.ncsu.edu (Louise Mahoney) writes:
>In article <BxsCF9.LD5@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> myempire@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matt J. Martin) writes:
>
>
>A whole argument and counter-attack about sexism deleted
>
>>  I fear bad scripts more than I fear women.  And I never met a woman that 
>>was a match for me, in any area.  Nope, no fear here.  Thank you for playing,
>>please feel free to try again.
>
>You almost had me rooting for you until this last little bit.  Yes
>I am a woman, and not a particularly screaming feminist.  I agree
>with your statements about Troi being motivated by your dislike
>for the character/actor,   BUT  (not that kind of BUTT)
>
>If you have never met a woman that was a match for you, in any area
>You probably need to get out a little more.
>
>Not a flame
>Just an observation
>
>Louise "no butt" Mahoney


Hey, I'm getting tired of all this "am not" "are to" attitude
from both sides of this stupid argument.

The problem with Troi saving Worf isnot because Troi
is  female, but because Worf is not the great warrior
he claims to be. In "Rascals"he misses an easy Ferengi target.
I can't remeber the episode,but Worf again misses and gets
hit by phaser.

In any case, everyone will be better off if they stop
looking at the race, gender, sexual orientation, religion,
of a person or character and except him/her as is.

For men:Don't assume because a  woman saves a man implies
	that "militant feminists" are out to get you.

For women:Taking politics as an example, don't assume that
	just because a woman runs for office against a man
	that she's the better person for the job.

It's the inside that counts.
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From: gp2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Greg Pallenik)
Subject: Re: Amusing Season 6 errors (None posted previously)
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:00:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.105307.12408@reed.edu>, odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin)
wrote:
> 
> 
>   None posted previously *to my knowledge* at any rate.
> 
>   A friend of mine and I just watched every episode of Season 6 (all in one
>   sitting.  Do we get the masochists award yet? ;) and found some amusing er-
>   rors we thought y'all would like to hear about.
> 
>   From "Man of the People":  Riker and the See-through Evening gowned Troi
>   leave 10-Forward (after Troi makes her "You want him" scene) and enter the
>   turbolift just down the hall.  The turbolift doors slide shut to reveal:
>   "08-Turbolift".
> 

Okay, this is a "legitimate" mistske.  One that should have been caught.

>   From "Fistfull of Datas":  When Pa Hollinder (Data) is finished talking to
>   Eli (Data) at the jail, Pa turns away to walk back over to Worf.  When he
>   does so, the edge of his left arm crosses the limit of the travelling wipe
>   and disappears for a moment.       

Believe it or not, there are some things that just can't be done.  I
believe that sacrificing Data's arm for "a moment" in order to maintain the
FX is a worthwhile casuality.  Besides, I'm sure Data didn't feel a thing.

> 
>   From "Rascals" (perhaps the most error-ridden episode of Trek to date): Not
>   only does the transporter give Picard a full head of hair, but it cuts and
>   styles it as well?  [His hair is very obviously cut even across the back --
>   It's not so much an error as an observation]

Well of course Picard has hair, he's 12!  How many bald twelve year old's
do you know?

> 
>   Also from "Rascals":  We spent time looking over the initial appearance of
>   the kids on the transporter pad in freeze-frame.  All of them are, in fact,
>   wearing appropriately baggy clothes with one exception:  Guinan's hat becomes
>   smaller by a considerable amount.

Another legitmate mistake, although the headpiece could be elastic.  It
shrank to fit the head of the wearer like a wool cap.

> 
>   And a continuity observation from "Time's Arrow II" to "Fistfull of Datas":
>   Troi talks about smoking with Samuel Clemens (Troi: (distastefully) "I
>   wouldn't know." [referring to Havana Cigars]).  It just struck me as odd that
>   she is quite obviously comfortable with smoking (and not a little proficient
>   at it) a mere few episodes later.  Perhaps Clemens sold her on the idea? :)
> 

I believe Troi never really smokes (I don't think it's possible on the
ship, anyway), she just gnaw's on the stogie (sp?) like it's a Slim Jim

>   Enough for now:  Enjoy.

>  ----------- Note: Kicking the terminal *doesn't* hurt the program. -----------

Yeah, but it could hurt your foot.


-Greg
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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: Communicators?
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 02:55:55 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <75490@hydra.gatech.EDU> cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd) writes:
>In article <BxyCrC.Jw5@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip D. Russell) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov18.210748.11797@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> nieboer@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Doctor Gonzo) writes:
>>>I guess what I'm saying is, unless the computer is telepathic, there's just
>>>no way those damn things could work, even with all that technology.

[logical, Tech Manual answer deleted]

>But we know this doesn't happen:  the response from the addressed party
>is too quick.  How many times have we seen something like the following
>happen?
>
>Scene:  on bridge of the Big E
>
>Riker (looks at ceiling):  "Dr. Crusher assemble a medical away team
>   and meet me in transporter room 3!"
>Crusher:  "On my way."

Right. The computer saves the message, and once it hears enough
to identify who the message is to (In this case, 'Doctor Cru')
should be enough, it starts relaying the message, time delayed
the half-second it took to indentify the recipient, locate them
on the ship, and activate a speaker.

You'll also note that when we actually see both people, it runs
like this:

Picard: (taps badge) "LaForge, whats our engine status?"

Cut to:

LaForge: (taps badge) "I can give you Warp 9 in twenty minutes."

Obviously, we didn't see LaForge hearing the relayed message for
dramatic reasons.

This answer is straight from the TNG Technical Manual. If you
don't believe it, how do _you_ explain it? :) 

Joshua
|         A shimmering net undulating like an infinite borealis.             |
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From: rjg@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Robert J. Granvin)
Subject: Re: Amusing Season 6 errors (None posted previously)
Organization: School of Statistics, University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:35:10 GMT

|> >My sharp-eyed wife (hey, she's an editor) found a *real* blooper.  When
|> >Worf practices his quick-draw at the end... the gun switches hands!
|> >It starts out in his left hand, the camera angle changes, and shazam,
|> >it's in his right hand!
|> 
|>       This is quite normal when the person is looking at himself in the
|> mirror. It starts out in his left hand because we are looking at it in
|> the mirror (he is checking how he looks). It switches to his right when
|> the camera changes to look directly at him. What _is_ unusual is that
|> Dorn, a right-hander, _normally_ shoots (a phaser, anyway) left-handed.

Maybe that explains why Worf can shoot the gun out of the hands of
a gunslinger with an ancient, inaccurate lead projectile weapon, yet
he can't hit a stationary blob of protoplasm (i.e., Ferengi), on the
bridge...  Switch hands!

-- 
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// School of Statistics - University of Minnesota        System Administrator
// ``One of the `right' people.''
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From: glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gord Locke)
Subject: Re: Communicators?
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:52:31 GMT

norbert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy James) writes:
>
>The computer is so quick that it can recognize the name and
>send the message to the person within a fraction of a second 
>after it is said...if the name is said last, the computer delays it
>until the recipient is specified, then it sends it!  Either that or it
>reads the persons mind...Come on!
>If there is a delay, they just edit it out on the show so you don't
>get a nasty echo effect.
>-- 
>Timothy James McInerney 

	Not only is this explanation verified by the Next Generation
Tech Manual (as others have pointed out), but by the Original Series
novel "Memory Prime".  Presumably, the principle behind the technology
is the same.  I think if the original poster had asked this over at
rec.arts.startrek.technobabble, a lot of bandwidth would have been saved
(whatever-the-heck-THAT-is!)  
	... Which leads me to ask: Do any of the resident Star Trek
techno-heads know what bandwidth is?  =^)  
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From: rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers)
Subject: Re: The Enterprise Sux
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:45:27 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.15 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In <168A08CF3.JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu> JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov13.161620.3819@engr.latech.edu>
>rsh@engr.latech.edu (Tracer) writes:
> 
>>In article Mf0InCa00VpF0jZWgu@andrew.cmu.edu, "Richard K. Shehady" <rs7f+@andrew.cmu.edu> () writes:
>>>I have Never, to this day, seen the Enterprise beat an enemy warship of
>>>comparable power.  Oh sure, they wasted a few tiny ships here and there,
>>>but they've never beaten anyone of consequence.
>>
>The Enterprise is NOT a warship, it is on an overall mission of peace and
>exploration.  Their weapons are primarily defensive and are only used
>offensively in unusual circumstances.  Remember, they have a crew of over
>a thousand, including civilians and families with children.  Riker is  not
>going to endanger them unless he absolutely has to.  Also remember that the
>Federation is not at war with the Klingons and he did not know that they were
>actually Ferengi.  To see the difference between the actual Enterprise and
>the E as a warship see "Yesterday's Enterprise";  there are no families or
>civilians on the ship and the ship is prepared for battle at all times.

   Exactly...I'd like to see 6 Ferengi's try to board the E with *every* single
crewmember walking around with phasers (like they were in "Yesterday's
Enterprise").


Sincerely,
Ryan Rogers
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From: stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST)
Subject: Re: Why 30 minute show?
Originator: stdeprie@c00361-247dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:54:57 GMT


It was an hour here, I think you got a raw deal ther parsnip.
And yes, I agree it was a funny, good show.  Lots of neat little things
thrown in that made me laugh.  I know someone will flame me, but I've 
decided to stop overanalyzing and just enjoy the show without worrying about
the fact that there is a wrong deck number on a turbolift door, etc.


								Cheers,

								Shawn
From: petersm@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Marguerite Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Official Dorm-Rec Review of "A Fistful of Data's" (spoilers)
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:50:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Nov17.115007.6176
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

In article <1992Nov17.015806.22596@mercury.cair.du.edu> aeckert@diana.cair.du.edu (AMY E. ECKERT) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.185202.16145@u.washington.edu> tonyg@byron.u.washington.edu (Anthony Gades) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov15.073110.5746@u.washington.edu> cw@carson.u.washington.edu (Cheryl Walker) writes:
>>>In article <rawdon.721809957@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>>>
>>>Current clothing and beauty ideas are all geared towards the ideal
>>>that you seem to appreciate.  You certainly have the right to your
>>>own tastes, but even though my butt is in all likelihood larger
>>>than Sirtis', I will continue to judge myself by _my_ body type,
>>>and not Cindy Crawfords.
>>>
>>
>>which makes me glad that _you_ were not the one wearing the leather
>>pants on the episode.
>>
>>-tony
>>
>I'm glad that not all men are as sexist and shallow as you are!
>
>Amy

Right on, Sister!!!

While watching this episode my SO and two grown sons said to me 
"Nice pants!"
"Maybe we should get you a pair like that for Xmas."

Made me feel pretty good, even if I don't have Troi's figure.  :-)

Marg

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From: keck@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Keck)
Subject: Relics continuity error? (SPOILER)
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:54:18 GMT

Okay, so if you haven't seen it hit k now...

This may have been discussed, but I wasn't keeping up with the
group.  At the end, when Geordi and Scotty are in the ship,
_with_the_shields_up_, they are beamed to safety.  Hmm..

Were the primitive, 75-year old shields just not a problem for the big E?
Did I miss them dropping them?  What gives?

Paul Keck

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From: gkatz@csws4.ic.sunysb.edu (Gerald W Katz)
Subject: Re: Quality of "Quality of Life"
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:20:24 GMT

In article <BxuHxF.LKB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kpm44977@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kevin P. McDonald) writes:
>
> few comments on the latest TNG episode "The Quality of Life", but first...
>
>
>O.K., now for some unsolicited opinions.
>
>	Is it just me or was this an exceptionally BAD episode.  Once again, 
>the writers have come up with a cute "cut and pat" storyline with a moral thrown
>right in our faces.  I thought we'd seen the last of this in the first season. I
>guess I was mistaken.  The alien doctor of the week's ending comment "next time
>I won't use them as tools" line (or something along those lines) was just taking
>it over the top in my view.  It was akin to a 
>scooby-Doo dialog.  Yes, Data IS sentient.  Dr. Soong's purpose in creating him
>was to create a sentient being.  The Exocomps were created as TOOLS.  Therefore
>they don't qualify as a life form!!!  Taking this a little further, lets suppose
>the Enterprise's computer somehow gains the attributes the Exocomps did.  Now
>wh at if, after this happens, a Starfleet work-order to refit the computer and
>other systems on the ship is put through.  If the Big-E's computer, with its new
>found "intelligence" refuses the refit, do we tolerate it?  The answer of course
>is absolutely NOT!!!  The Enterprise was designed by beings to perform tasks,
>not to disrupt the attempts of those beings to execute the tasks it was designed
>to perform.  The Exocomps are no different.
>
>Besides, wasn't the core idea of this story already seen in the 1st season
>episode "Home Soil"?
>
>Just a few comments...
>.
>
>-- 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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I haven't seen the episode yet, but reading this did not spoil it
for me.

I find that this episode is alluring to the animal rights controversy,
probably more specifically to the use of animals in medical research.

However, I am certainly tired of the shows that lecture a moral message.
One would certainly enjoy that type o show if you agreed with the
opinion expressed, but would not enjoy it if you disagreed, as has
it affected me in the past.  (The terrorist episode a few years back,
for example)

Of course, TOS did the same thing.  The episode with the Organians
alluded to Vietnam and "The Enterprise Incident" where Kirk stole
the Romulan cloaking device alluded to the U2 incident.
But,IMHO, TOS does its moralizing in a subtle manner, where TNG
puts it staight in your ace, i.e. the J'nai.

Star Trek is best when it's pure science fiction exploration,
not when it preaches or "what else can go wrong with the holodeck".

gkatz
From: FisKer@cup.portal.com (Scott M Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Fistful of Datas is anything but like "Fistful of Dollars"
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 23:59:37 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world


My friend's friend's friend wrote "A Fistful of Datas" ... the original
title was "The Good, the Bad, and the Klingon." 

I've been told that the Star Trek Staff liked the story so much that
they hired the writer full-time for Deep Space Nine.
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