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From: dsc3jfs@nmdsc10.med.navy.mil (John Skoda)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Maryland Fish & Game Dept.
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:47:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Nov6.084759.12295
Organization: Electronic Learning Facilitator, inc
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


 I've just moved from Vermont to Maryland, can anyone point me in the
direction of the MD Fish & Game Dept. (if there is such a thing)  It
seems that alot less people hunt here that back home, must be becuase
I live near a "big" city.  I can't believe that people don't hunt
here but, I haven't met any yet...  If anyone out there has the phone
number and/or address of the part of the MD gov't that handles
hunting/fishing/gun laws please mail me...

  Thank You,
	John Skoda
	dsc3jfs@nmdsc10.med.navy.mil
	dsc3jfs@bumed10.med.navy.mil
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From: prichard@devon.larc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: Advice needed on used 4x4 pickups
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co.
Date: 10 Nov 92 07:25:08 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


 cavallar@cyber.net (Mark A Cavallaro) writes:

   Well, I am now looking into trading my 92 civic for a used 4x4 pickup.
   Can anyone offer their advice and/or experience as to a good candidate
   (or bad) in the 85 to 87 years. Domestic or foreign, doesn't matter
   (sales taxes go to local and state gov't :>)

having recently looked into Consumer Reports and such, looking both at
4WDs as well as sports cars, the standout domestic is Ford (Fix Or 
Repair Daily!) and the standout import is Toyota.  my '85 Toy 4WD pickup
has the original solid front axle and rides like a buckboard in a minefield,
but has been extremely reliable.  I rolled it in the ditch last winter
(black ice on the way to the ski slopes) and could have driven it away
had we landed all the way back on the tires, though it would have been
rather drafty inside...

GMC/Chevy still has poor reliability, as does Jeep and Dodge.

heck, stop pussy-footing around and get a HUMMV.  if its good enough
for Schwartzenegger, its good enough for you.  




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From: cavallar@cyber.net (Mark A Cavallaro)
Subject: Re: truck advice
Date: 11 Nov 92 07:55:17 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

First, many thanks for the replies, both on the digest and in email. I
received an equal number of recommendations for Chevy Blazers,
Toyotas, and Fords.  I also heard some good technical detail on fuel
injection from most resondents.  To answer the oft asked question on
intended use - since my only vehicle is a civic, and I want to trade
it, I'll use the truck for everything - hunting, fish ing, camping,
transport to trail heads for hiking, hauling firewood, groceries, and
the once in a blue moon social engagement.

Any more comments, suggestions and warnings are much appreciated.
Mark Cavallaro
cavallar@cyber.net
From: mas@icf.hrb.com (Mark A. Singer)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Rabbits
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:50:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Nov6.085029.12421
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


    Back in the 60's my father had a trap line for rabbits. The game
commission paid him 50 to 75 cents per rabbit that he caught. He would
then release the rabbits in a less populated area. The game commission
told him where to release them and supplyed him with all the wooden
box traps. The only time he trapped rabbits was in the winter mounths
because during the summer there was to so much natural food around and
it was hard to get arabbit to go in a box for a bite of apple.  Maybe
you should give the game commission a call but those days of trapping
and ralocating rabbits is probably gone.
From: pfeiffer@NMSU.Edu
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Advice needed on used 4x4 pickups
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:06:55 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

One difference between old and new is how much flexibility you need to
have in your selection.  When you're looking for a new truck, you can
have a list of features and a list of manufacturers you think make
good trucks, and go talk to dealers.

With a used truck, you need to have a much shorter list of ``must
have'' features, and a list of ``absolutely won't buy from''
manufacturers.  You then need to look at individual trucks as they
come available, and ask, ``does it meet minimum specs,'' ``would I buy
a truck from this manufacturer on a dare,'' and ``what sort of
condition does it look like it's in?''  Of the three questions, the
last one is by far the most important to you.

With that in mind, I'll make a projection regarding Toyota;  I own a
1990 extended cab with V6, manual transmission, 4WD.  If Dodge would
have sold me a Dakota meeting these specs, I'd now be a Dodge truck owner.
The Toyota is a good, rugged truck, which has always gotten me out of
whatever I've gotten it into (so far).  It's only flaw is that it suffers
>from what I call the ``Japanese disease'' of being totally
unmaintainable.  This is not, contrary to popular opinion, a result of
pollution controls; my '87 Chrysler Le Baron has a very neat
arrangement of sensors, a computer, and actuators.  The Toyota, by
contrast, has a maze of vacuum hoses and unrelated valves and things.
I've got to figure out what's wrong with the idle, and I'm not looking
forward to it.  Even removing the blasted oil filter takes three
extensions on my ratchet, and requires removal of body armor from the
bottom of the truck!

In summary, I like my truck a lot, but I'd be sufficiently leery of
past maintenance that I'm not sure I'd buy one used.

-Joe.
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu
Subject: Re: Pix of hunters using Politically Incorrect weapons needed
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: 10 Nov 92 07:21:50 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Nov6.081753.3293@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
    powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim B. Powlesland) writes:
 
>>We need snapshots of hunters who hunt with military style semi-
>>automatics, showing them with their rifle and the game they took.
 
>You'll get no help from me. I hunt and I am absolutely APPALLED
>that you and a bunch of other assholes are out there shooting
>animals with military assault weapons. And an editor of a pro-gun
>lobby newspaper to boot! The one thing hunters do NOT need is a
>photo spread in your rag proving the fact. Hunters have a hard
>enough time as it is with the public. You will only make it
>worse for all of us.
 
When I read this response, I was flabbergasted.  You actually
have bought into the media/anti-gun lobby myths.  People like you
are more dangerous, and do more damage to those of us fighting to
protect RKBA than the Ted Kennedy's in Congress.  1)  I defy you
to define "military assault weapon" in functional terms that doesn't
also include my hunting firearms (a semi-auto shotgun, deer rifle,
and varmit gun).  It can't be done.  Basically, all you will be
left with is "well it looks like an assualt rifle".  Sorry Jimbo,
it doesn't work that way.  It's seems apparent to me that what these
pictures are trying to illustrate is that those firearms that *look*
like military assualt weapons (whatever that looks like - I wouldn't
know) ARE the same as firearms that look different.  He is not trying
to show pictures of people that are using illegeal means of hunting
(ie. fully auto firearms).
 
 
Moderator Tim:  Did his note just slip by?  Anyway, this is my only
response about this to the group as I probably doesn't belong here.

[Moderator's note:  No his note didn't just slip by.  His comments
were not very popular but they were a valid point of discussion.  We
have had several debates about the proper caliber for hunting deer (or
whatever).  This debate is not that different.  tjr]
 
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Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: fleck@cs.itc.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: Advice needed on used 4x4 pickups
Date: 11 Nov 92 07:56:19 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

prichard@devon.larc.nasa.gov writes:
> 
> GMC/Chevy still has poor reliability, as does Jeep and Dodge.

I have to take  exception  to one of the above...  Jeep as in American
Motor   Corporation   NOT  Chrysler  "Wanna  Be's"  are  on  the  road
everywhere.  They are good 4 wheel drive machines.

My CJ-7 did the Elk  dragging  and  hanging  this year and was a major
asset.  And as far as  offroad  is  concerned...  you won't  find many
Fords or Chevys that will go places like the Jeep.

I have owned a 73 Blazer, 86 Toy 4x4 short bed, & a 90 Toy 4Runner all
of which had offroad suspensions put on them, mud/snow tires and other
goodies and none of them could touch my Jeep.  

In Elk camp at 12,000 feet in the middle of nowhere,  where we can get
2+ feet of snow very quickly, I'll take the Jeep.

The 4Runner was just traded for an American  car...  If anything  else
buy American.

Dave
From: mggan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Gregory A. Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Hunting rabbits with my patch hound.
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:50:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Nov6.085059.12524
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


	When I had my beagle, I also enjoyed hunting rabbits with him.
While no ferocious box turtles ever attacked him, he did do some crazy
things.  First of all, I hated having him dig up the yard, so he was
taught not too.  He obviously learned his lesson well, because during
one hunt he actually retrieved a lightly hit rabbit.  However, he didn't
want to give it up when he saw me coming.  He promply dropped the rabbit
and began "digging" a hole in the snow with his nose.  I stood by and
laughed as my beagle completely hid the bunny without the aid of his 
paws!

	The other instance that comes to mind was another rabbit that
only caught a couple of pellets.  The rabbit went running for a hole
with "Boots" right onl his tail.  The rabbit disappeared and so did my
beagle except for his tail.  He was in the hole growling and such when
my brother drug him out.  To our surprise, he had the rabbit by the ears
and was fighting to hold on.  Well, he did and we didn't lose one we 
would have for certain.

Greg.
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: turnera@hubcap.clemson.edu (Allen Turner)
Subject: Re: truck advice
Organization: Clemson University
Date: 13 Nov 92 07:51:39 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

cavallar@cyber.net (Mark A Cavallaro) writes:

>First, many thanks for the replies, both on the digest and in email. I
>received an equal number of recommendations for Chevy Blazers,
>Toyotas, and Fords.  I also heard some good technical detail on fuel
>injection from most resondents.  To answer the oft asked question on
>intended use - since my only vehicle is a civic, and I want to trade
>it, I'll use the truck for everything - hunting, fish ing, camping,
>transport to trail heads for hiking, hauling firewood, groceries, and
>the once in a blue moon social engagement.

>Any more comments, suggestions and warnings are much appreciated.
>Mark Cavallaro
>cavallar@cyber.net

   I came up with a different solution to the same problem.  I 
came very close to purchasing a Toyota 4x4 King cab this fall to
replace my 75 Mercedes (Jungle Benz) when going hunting.  The plan was
to use my sedan most of the time (around town, trips, etc.) and use
the truck for hauling and hunting.  I planned to keep the truck for
at least 10 years putting probably 6K miles/yr on it.  All seemed good
until I called my insurance (as well as other companies) and found that
it would cost me more than $500/yr to insure this part time vehicle.
This extra $5000 over 10 years added to the $15,000 purchase making
the cost for 10 years approximatly $20K (I know I'm assuming 100%
depreciation but operating costs were not included here so they
offset somewhat).  The additional $5000 caused me to consider other
alternatives, especially since that $5000 after 10 years was completely
lost (effectively 100% depreciation).  Another way to look at it was
that, even if the Toyota didn't depreciate at all, it would cost me
$5000 to haul stuff and get into the woods for hunting.

   My solution was to take that $5000 and buy an ATV and a trailer.  The
5X8 ft. 3500 lb. GVW trailer would let me haul as much or more than the 
pickup would allow and the combination of the trailer and the ATV would
let me get into the woods.  So far the combination has worked extremely
well,  I get to ride in my comfortable, quiet, smooth riding car on the
way to the woods and let the ATV handle the tough roads and terrain.  Each
vehicle being used when it's at its best.  There are compromises to be sure,
but for me, its the best combination of compromises as well as being paid
for by the total insurance costs of the other option I considered. 

   I don't know if your needs would make my solution an option for you but
you may find, like I have, that optimizing the vehicle for the task is the
best compromise.

Allen Turner



Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: randy@raven.alaska.edu (Randy Hayman)
Subject: Re: Rabbits
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:42:59 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

If you're talking about Tuleremia (sp?) then you should only be
concerned about getting it in an open wound, no problem after it's
cooked.  Safest is to wait until after a "hard frost" then (and I
can't recall why) this is no longer a significant threat.

If this is in any way incorrect, I'm sure I'll be corrected.

If you're talking about some other disease, I don't know.

Randy 
sxrmh1@orca.alaska.edu


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: DENNIS_@ncsu.edu (DGA)
Subject: Re: What Kind of Hunting Rifle?
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: 9 Nov 92 07:57:05 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Nov2.091633.20059@doug.cae.wisc.edu> rsojka@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.e.sojka) writes:
>From: rsojka@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.e.sojka)
>Subject: What Kind of Hunting Rifle?
>Date: 2 Nov 92 09:16:33 CST
>
>	I'm considering buying a hunting rifle. Primary game would be
>	whitetail. All the posts on the 7mm mag and the .300 mag are
>	helpful. I've been leaning towards a 7mm mag. Any other suggestions?
>	The following info would also be helpful.
>
>	[lots deleted]


>From your posting I am under the impression that you are fairly new to
shooting sports.  Based upon that, perhaps invalid, assumption, let me
suggest that you consider Scot's comments concerning .243s and further 
consider such calibers as .270, a non-magnum 7mm, .308, or even .30-06, 
before you buy something a potent as the 7mm Magnum or the .300 Magnum.  
While both are fine calibers, they do tend to punish the shooter a bit more 
than something lighter.  If at all possible try the magnums and try 
something lighter during the same session, so you can compare the recoil.  

The most important component of a clean kill is a well placed shot. 
Starting with a rifle that punishes to the point of developing bad habits
such as flinching will undermine any perceived advantage of a large
powerful caliber.  

Also, a more generic caliber such as .243, .270, .308, or .30-06 will
generally be more readily available at cheaper prices than either of the
magnum loads that you are considering.

In closing let me re-emphasize the importance of being comfortable shooting
whatever you use to hunt.  I have seen some big, tough, dudes reduced to
spectacles of doom and dread by a day at the range with their new "he-man"
.458.  Pitiful, just pitiful. 


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From: megatek!hollen@uunet.UU.NET (Dion Hollenbeck)
Subject: Re: What Kind of Hunting Rifle?
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: 10 Nov 92 07:24:25 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

>>>>> On 9 Nov 92 13:57:05 GMT, DENNIS_@ncsu.edu (DGA) said:

DGA> In article <1992Nov2.091633.20059@doug.cae.wisc.edu> rsojka@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.e.sojka) writes:
>
>	I'm considering buying a hunting rifle. Primary game would be
>	whitetail. All the posts on the 7mm mag and the .300 mag are
>	helpful. I've been leaning towards a 7mm mag. Any other suggestions?
>	The following info would also be helpful.
>
>	[lots deleted]


DGA> [....makes good comments about placement being important and
DGA> smaller calibers more available and reasonably priced...]

DGA> In closing let me re-emphasize the importance of being
DGA> comfortable shooting whatever you use to hunt.  I have seen some
DGA> big, tough, dudes reduced to spectacles of doom and dread by a
DGA> day at the range with their new "he-man" .458.  Pitiful, just
DGA> pitiful.

When you are hunting, you will probably not shoot 20 shots over a week
of hunting, but when you are out at the range, sighting in, or more
importantly developing your handloads, you may shoot 30 or 40 shots in
a session.  I just did this over the weekend with my new .308 and I
would NEVER want to do this with a magnum caliber.  I used a magnum recoil
pad and still have a slight amount of bruising to show for it.  After
50 shots strung out completely over the range of powder weights, I can
now come back with another 50 in smaller increments around the nodes
of accuracy.  With a new gun, it took me 8 shots just to get the scope
zeroed in and I shoot 1 shot groups, not the recommended 3 shot.  I
shoot often enough to know that where the shot went is where the scope
was aiming, every shot.

Stick with the smallest caliber that will be appropriate for 1) the
game you are hunting, and 2) the ranges you plan to hunt at.  You will
thank us all for this advice.
-- 
Dion Hollenbeck       UUCP: {uunet, ucsd, sun}!megatek!hollen
                      INTERNET:            hollen@megatek.com
Megatek Corporation  9645 Scranton Rd.  San Diego, Ca.  92121


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji)
Subject: For Sale: Compound Bow (lefty)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: 10 Nov 92 07:23:24 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


For Sale:

York CNC left-handed compound bow.

This is an excellent hunting or target bow for someone on a budget.
It is green low-visibility aluminum with black fiberglass arms. Draw
weight is adjustable from about 50# to about 85#.  It includes a rear
peep sight, four-pin front sights (Bear brand), a 6" balance shaft, and
an overdraw assembly.  Also included are a set of 5 broadhead hunting
tips, five camouflaged arrows, a hunting quiver, a forearm guard, a
trigger release, a target quiver, a hide finger guard, and spare arrow rests.
I'll also throw in 13 spare arrow shafts, ferrules,
field tips, nocks, and misc. adhesive for making arrows.

I have over $350 into this rig.  I'm asking $200/best offer.
I can be reached at basiji@u.washington.edu.

Thanks,
David Basiji




Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: scot@hpfcla.fc.hp.com (Scot Heath)
Subject: Re: Yet another shotgun question...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
Date: 10 Nov 92 07:24:47 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Robert Walton (robert_walton@NeXT.COM) wrote:
: 
: I saw a Winchester/Browing Model 12 pump today; one of the limited series  
: with the gold inlaid game scene on the receiver.  I think it's 28 gauge.   
: Is this a good gun (engineering/manufacturing quality) and is there any  
: use for it beyond light upland game?  What about the 28 gauge -- is this a  

I have never had one of these apart but the exterior fit and finish appears
to be very good on them.  The engineering is highly regarded and is, I
believe, identical to the original Winchesters.  There are 2 grades of these 
guns being made by Browning.  The Grade I and the Grade (I think) VI which 
has the gold inlays.

I have a 28 gauge O/U that I love to shoot.  It is (as you can imagine) a
light, quick handling gun with no noticable recoil.  I shoot it alot for
skeet and some for sporting clays as well as hunting light upland game with
it.  I chose a gun with choke tubes so it would be flexible, something that
I believe is not available on the model 12.

: useful gauge with a solid future?  If it is one I should add to the  
: arsenal, what's a good price from a gun store, new?

The 28 ga. will be around forever because it is one of the 4 gauges in
skeet competition (12, 20, 28 and .410 bore).  Shells are quite expensive,
around $150.00/case compared to $100.00/case for 12 gauge shells.  

I believe the prices I have seen on the high grade guns are $1200 - $1500
but I could be mistaken.  I have never been interested in the pumps enough
to really pay attention.  If I was going to buy this type of gun, I would
definitely go with the Browning model 12 replicas.  It would be a 90%
sentimental purchase since the type of shooting I do and my personal taste
runs toward O/Us, your milage may vary.

: 
: Comments?
: 

If you get one, I'm sure you will have fun with it.  You can eventually get
it's brothers, the 20 ga., .410 bore (model 42) and, if Browning ever makes
it, the 12 ga.  That would make a very handsome set.

: Thanks,
: 
: Robert
: 
: 

Scot you-can-never-have-too-many-guns Heath



Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim B. Powlesland)
Subject: Re: Pix of hunters using Politically Incorrect weapons needed
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
Date: 11 Nov 92 07:53:53 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

[Moderator's note: This thread has entered the rhelm of
talk.politics.guns.  I am letting Jim respond but all followup's
regarding the banning of guns should be sent to t.p.guns.  Any such
followups to rec.hunting will be rejected.  Posts regarding the use of
semi automatics while hunting may be sent to rec.hunting.  tjr]

>Add to the fact that "Jim the idiot" is from Canada, he is not
>fighting the "war" that we need to fight in this country...

We are not fighting a "war" up here because we have saner gun
laws than you do. Canadian hunters have realized that an anti-gun
lobby is not the same as an anti-hunting lobby and that allowing
handguns and military-style weapons to be banned or severly
restricted is not the end of the world. The cops love it as
well. The don't have to deal with an armed population like they
do in the States. Of course, I bet all this sounds like heresy to
the gun-loving NRA grunts in the crowd.
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: need election results from Arizona
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:52:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Nov6.085237.12716
Organization: Texas A&M University
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Just a quick question:   How did the anti-hunting (trapping) vote
in Arizona come out?  Did *we* win?
 
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