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From: bookie@teal.csn.org (Wayne Hannam)
Subject: Re: Good C Programming book required
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 20:34:08 GMT

mr_scary@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Chris Hurley) writes:

>Steve@donald.demon.co.uk (Steve Gilbert) writes:

>> Can anyone recommend a good book on C programming for the Amiga? Not too
>> basic, but not over technical. I can't seem to find any in the computer shops
>> around here.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Steve.
>>  ____  _____  ___  _  _  ___

>I don't know of anything in paper form (except the Rom Kernal Reference 
>Manuals), but the "Amiga C Encyclopedia
>" (sometimes called "Amiga C Manual" in older versions) is an excellent 
>electronic book, which should be available on your favorite large BBS's 
>or perhaps by FTP.  It is by Anders Bjerin and is very helpful in 
>learning C.  Version 3.0 filled 2 binders whith duplexed pages. 

Well in addition to Revision 3 of the ROM Kernal Manuals, there is the
AmigaDos Manual, a must, and as for general ideas on programming the
amiga, although they don't have the current (2.04) support, the following
titles will give you some direction:

Inside the Amiga with C  (Wait Group)
Amiga Systems Programmers Guide (Sybex)
Amiga C for Advanced programmers (Sybex)
Computes Guide to programming the Amiga (Compute Publications)
Computes Second Book of Amiga (Compute Publications)
Inside Amiga Graphics (Compute Publications)
Learning C Programming Graphics on the Amiga & Atari ST (Compute Publications)

There might be current versions of one or more of these, but this should
point you in the right direction, if you are unable to find these locally,
you should be able to mail order them through any company in AmigaWorld.

Wayne
wayneh@unidata.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: riley@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Daniel S. Riley)
Subject: Re: Finally got to play with an A4000
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:25:19 GMT

In article <54551@dime.cs.umass.edu>,
barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>I noticed that several of the Preferences programs changed their
>look for (as far as I could tell) no real reason:  Time, Font, and
>IControl.  Gadgets were rearranged when (I thought) they looked fine in
>version 2.04.

Some of the rearrangement has to do with internationalization--what
looked fine with English text and US units didn't always look so good
in some other language.

>	I found some unidentifiable files in the devs:DataTypes drawer.
>They had names like ILBM, 8SVX, and AmigaGuide, and their default Workbench
>tool is c:AddDataTypes.  Is this some new way to recognize certain types of
>files?  Any more details on it?

Yes, these are used to recognize certain kinds of files.  There are
also BOOPSI classes to display these types in libs:DataTypes, which
are used by (among other things) multiview, the general purpose
file viewer.

>	Now for some great news -- the standard (ASL) file requester
>operates MUCH MUCH faster than in version 2.04.

The ASL file requester is also sped up in 2.1.  People have been hinting
at this in c.s.a.programmer for months, but couldn't come out and say
anything because of non-disclosure.

>	Another thing I noticed is that highlighted text in the Shell, such
>as the first line of the usage message for DiskSalv, changes color while the
>shell window is scrolling.  The effect is unpleasant.  However, I went home
>and tried this on an A1000 in interlaced mode, and I saw the same effect.
>Somehow, I never noticed it before.  What causes it?  [Note to prevent
>rumors -- I don't know if DiskSalv comes with 3.0 or whether the dealer
>put it on disk himself.]

This is caused by scrolling one bitplane at a time--the text changes
color from color 3 (for example) to color 2 while the first bitplane
is being scrolled.  I thought 3.0 was supposed to use an interleaved
bitmap for workbench, so I don't know why it happened on the A4000.
What depth screen was this?  [and, no, disksalv is not part of 3.0]

-- 
-Dan Riley                          Internet: dsr@lns598.tn.cornell.edu
-Wilson Lab, Cornell University     HEPNET/SPAN: lns598::dsr (44630::dsr)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen)
Subject: NEED A PHONE NUMBER TODAY
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Reply-To: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:44:07 GMT

I need a phone number for Safe Harbor and have no way handy to look
it up. Would some kind soul mail me their number ASAP Please.

Thanks

-- 
	David

	Disclaimer: The content of this message in no way reflects the
	            opinions of my employer, nor are my actions
		    encouraged, supported, or acknowledged by my
		    employer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: ghanna@cse.unl.edu (gary hanna)
Subject: Re: 2.05 installation question
Keywords: User-Startup, Startup-Sequence
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:26:42 GMT

matija@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Matija Milostnik) writes:


>Bottom line at first: When will people learn to use the 
>User-Startup and let Startup-Sequence unchanged?
>They change Startup-Sequcne and end having problems they could avoid
>reading the manual and changing ONLY User-Startup (or putting programs
>in WBStartup).

 First off: Chill man. Just give an answer. You don't have to attack this
            guy for taking an approach to startups than you. Shees!

 I ran into the annoying requestor problem myself sometime ago. The solution
is pretty easy. Just make up a small script file that only runs the 
I-Prefs program, and then call this script file from your startup-sequence.
I think this is the way I've solve the problem. It's been a while since
it made that change. I'm not at my amiga now. If I've got this explanation
wrong, I'll correct myself when I check my startup-sequence when I get home.


>Best regards from Matija Milostinik           : matija@avalon.ifi.unizh.ch  
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^
 yeah, sure. (and lots of prayers for that wretched sinner for having 
              modified his startup-sequence)

 Good day eh, Gary Hanna   ghanna@cse.unl.edu  or hanna@ukanaix.cc.ukans.edu

 Increase the peace!
From: pilgrim@daimi.aau.dk (Jakob G}rdsted)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: What is the default video mode of the A4000?
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:34:57 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:

>In article <1992Oct8.224023.836@athena.mit.edu> fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei) writes:

>   We can end this quickly, just by finding out once and for all what the
>default video mode of the A4000 is, as it comes out-of-the-box.  If it is
>the 640x200 15Khz NTSC mode, and if a user has upgraded to an A4000 from an
>A3000 and only has a monitor that can handle frequencies fron 31Khz on up,
>then the user WILL have to borrow a monitor to boot the computer the first
>time.

No, only wimps has to. Any fool can still read the text. I have used
A2024 mode on my 1084 for a year now, and it works OK. I agree it can
be annoying with the rolling image sometimes, but you get what you pay for.

>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------
>              A4000: JUST SAY NO!!!
--
      Jakob Gaardsted   .    .  | Black Rainbow(TM)     .         .      .
  Computer Science Department . |. Invaporated      .        .        .    .
University of Aarhus, Jylland(!)|   .            .      . Cordless Life  .  .
 .  pilgrim@daimi.aau.dk   .    |          .    .    .     Pointless Mouse .
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: raist@rmece02.upr.clu.edu (Ricardo Hernandez | 802-36-4453)
Subject: CONGRATULATIONS! CBM!
Organization: UPR-Mayaguez--ASEL Lab
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:41:42 GMT

   I want to thank Commodore marketing department for finally seeing some light
on what makes good marketting.  Just saw latest A4000 add on the latest AmiWorld,
with the A4000 on the front cover and the CBM add inside of it.
 
   C= finally hypes the machine's capability for multimedia and animation,
puts there the '040 chip and all that.  I like the ' and this machine is
powered by the 68040 chip (which some computer companies think that this is
enough on its own)' remark (not an actual quote, just what I can remember
right now).  

   Now some suggestions/things to remember:

    * don't forget HEAVY advertising in BYTE, PC Magazine, Mac World , Wall
Street, and other magazines like TIME (oh, TIME!), etc.

    * If you can afford it, advertise on MTV, CNN and some other important shows.

    * PLEASE, ADVERTISE IN THE UPCOMING SCI-FI CHANNEL!  Advertise it with 
Vista Pro, Scenery Animator and some weird Imagine/Toaster/Aladdin 4d animations.

    If the A4000 is upgradable (like the 8 meg chipram jumper) and you have
a concise plan on upgrading, please mention it!

   C='s marketing department has been so heavily critiziced that I want to 
congratulate them for finally taking a step in the right direction.

  CONGRATULATIONS!

- Raist
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: gunnarr@ifi.uio.no (Gunnar R|nning)
Subject: Re: Cygnus Ed & Turbotext
Keywords: n
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:05:15 GMT
Originator: gunnarr@skuta.ifi.uio.no


 Is it possible to bind arexx-scripts to text you type in CED.
 (E.G. if you write 'pro' ,expand it to 'procedure')
 Emacs(elisp) as this feature ,and I would really like to get an editor
 with this feature for my Amiga,without getting the enormous size
 of Emacs.

Gunnar R|nning
From: zajerkom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nick Zajerko-McKee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Test... Please Ignore...
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:38:09 GMT
Distribution: boulder
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

1
2
3
Testing...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei)
Subject: Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:40:23 GMT

In article <8OCT199209452019@rigel.tamu.edu> cpw8034@rigel.tamu.edu (ALAN C. WEN (409)693-2924) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.203023.18409@usl.edu>, dfs5716@usl.edu (Seidel Daniel F) writes...
>>    Normally I never reply to you ; however, this is the exception.  Your
>>comments on the A4000 are noted ... thanks.  Now please take your precious 
>>little comments to c.s.a.a!  I realize that everyone on the net has told you
>>this.  Mabye just mabye, by the grace of God, this time you will listen.
>> 
>What Marc said about the A4000 was mostly true.  He didn't knock it on it's
>040, new chipset, nor its general design.  He mainly concentrated on its

No, he did knock on the new chipset by saying the _only_ substantial
improvement is color. Graphics speedup of 3-4x is not what I'd call
insubstantial! And he also passed on speculation (ie. saying that you
probably have to borrow a monitor which syncs down to 15kHz just to boot the
A4000) as if it was fact. The lack of a display enhancer is an important
point against the A4000, but Marc clouded his article with his usual
propaganda worthy only of .advocacy.

>lack of a display enhancer as opposed to the A3000.  I'm sorely dissappointed
>as well by this.  Besides, you only posted your message because "everyone on
>the net has" already told Marc to leave.  You haven't countered nor noted
>anything about what he stated right or wrong... 

I don't see the point in telling Marc to "leave" either. But it is important
to counter the misinformation he spreads.

>
>Have fun joining in the ranks of those that lead w/o clue.

Hey, ignorance is bliss.  :)

>
>alan
>

Francis


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: pilgrim@daimi.aau.dk (Jakob G}rdsted)
Subject: Re: Looking for `OpenDrawer' program
Keywords: WB, ARexx
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 15:03:57 GMT

matija@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Matija Milostnik) writes:

>>the Workbench. Could also be usable if you want to open that 
>>`misc/strange/games/adventure/funny' (or whatever) drawer without
>>having to open the first four drawers. Would do nice as a commoditie
>>that could open a directory requester and/or using Tooltypes and
>>possibly from CLI using command line arguments and/or a directory
>>requester.
>>Is there anybody out there that got a feeling what I'm looking for?

Yes. I have been looking for such a thing all my life... What the second
man says about ARexx is oh so true; I wish they'd do something like
that.
   What I'm doing now, is 'Leave out'ing the drawers I need,  so I
only have to click them to open them, instead of opening the first
four drawers. But I would love the automatic opening of custom drawers too.
I cannot see anything it'd interfer with in any nasty/undesirable way.
Wait, I have one last suggestion... leave your computer on, with a
screenblanker :-).

>What you really are looking for is an ARexx port for Workbench.  :-)

>In other words, it cant be done now. What you can do is to get some 
>PD programs that let you 'record' mouse movement and then, on start
>up, play it back, thus opening your prefered drawer. 

>>If so, do you know of a such program, or maybe someone could write one.

>QMouse,MachIII and other can do it.

>>IMHO Commodore should include something like this with Workbench.

>Oh yeah. An ARexx port for Workbench....

>Hope this helps
> Matija

>-- 
>Best regards from Matija Milostinik           : matija@avalon.ifi.unizh.ch  
>                                              : matija@amiga.physik.unizh.ch
>Therefore, use local labels in the procedures as often as possible. 
>Save the environment!  Recycle!  ;-)                 (Bjoern Reese)
--
      Jakob Gaardsted   .    .  | Black Rainbow(TM)     .         .      .
  Computer Science Department . |. Invaporated      .        .        .    .
University of Aarhus, Jylland(!)|   .            .      . Cordless Life  .  .
 .  pilgrim@daimi.aau.dk   .    |          .    .    .     Pointless Mouse .
From: bn@okcforum (Bo Najdrovsky)
Subject: Re: Amiga on TV
Originator: news@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:52:55 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Stephen Judd (judd@wilkinson.cs.colorado.edu) wrote:
: 
: The old computer was an Apple IIgs.  I wonder why they updated?  It's not as
: if you get to see the computer doing anything.
: 
Yeah, I saw the commercials. It's an A2000 or A2500. They have several 
different commercials, and each time they feature a different computer.
First it was the Apple as you said, then it was  a PS/2  and now an
Amiga. Seems like Britannica people know about the theory of evolution. 8-)
On a bit more serious note, it's nice to see that they don't discriminate,
and feature all the major  types of computers. Of course, I wouldn't be 
at all surprised, if somebody associated with the production of the 
commercial is an Amiga enthusiast.  ;-)

Bo
bn@okcforum.uoknor.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: cpw8034@rigel.tamu.edu (ALAN C. WEN (409)693-2924)
Subject: Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000
Summary: Go Away!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:45:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.203023.18409@usl.edu>, dfs5716@usl.edu (Seidel Daniel F) writes...
>    Normally I never reply to you ; however, this is the exception.  Your
>comments on the A4000 are noted ... thanks.  Now please take your precious 
>little comments to c.s.a.a!  I realize that everyone on the net has told you
>this.  Mabye just mabye, by the grace of God, this time you will listen.
> 
What Marc said about the A4000 was mostly true.  He didn't knock it on it's
040, new chipset, nor its general design.  He mainly concentrated on its
lack of a display enhancer as opposed to the A3000.  I'm sorely dissappointed
as well by this.  Besides, you only posted your message because "everyone on
the net has" already told Marc to leave.  You haven't countered nor noted
anything about what he stated right or wrong... 

Have fun joining in the ranks of those that lead w/o clue.

alan

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: larsm@ii.uib.no (Lars Magnus Nordeide)
Subject: Re: VIRUS - Filesearcher on protection???
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Reply-To: larsm@ii.uib.no
Organization: University of Bergen
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 20:34:45 GMT


In article 14849@chalmers.se, thly@pe.chalmers.se (Thomas Lydhig) writes:
>That Subject was really confusing! Let me explain. 
>
>Since WB2.0 has the DOS made better use of protectionsflag on each file. So
>you can't anylonger read a file that are readprotected from any WB or DOS
>program. So you start your latest viruskiller and let it seach for virus.
>After some minutes it will read this file:
>						  OBS! READ protected!
>						     |
>						     V
>	Format_HD_10h_after_infection     132322 HSPA-WED 15-Sep-92 02:11:06
>
>
>You will not see it if you write "dir" in a shell! You will not be able to
>read it any program. Some program like DirOpus makes it possible to see the
>file but not whats in there.
>
>So your viruskiller will not check "Format_HD_10h_after_infection" for virus!
>
>My question is: Is there any filesearcher that makes it possible for me to
>search after files that have there read protection flag reseted???
>
>	Thanx,	Thomas Lydhig, Sweden
>		thly@pe.chalmers.se
>


The exellent viruskiller Virus_Checker (latest version 6.15) will see this
file, but it can't check it for virus. BUT, in these cases it will open a
requester that warns you that there exist a file that is read protected
and suggests that you unprotect it and check it again.

--
Lars Magnus Nordeide, University of Bergen, NORWAY
larsm@ii.uib.no
"Hey! Somebody has stolen my quote!"
From: bob@bpamiga.pegasus.com (Bob Proffitt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for `OpenDrawer' program
Distribution: world
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:31:21 HST
Organization: Amiga Hawaii Users' Group

In article <d1wizo.718371115@dtek.chalmers.se> d1wizo@dtek.chalmers.se
(Ola Lundkvist) writes:
>...............without
>having to open the first four drawers. Would do nice as a commoditie
>that could open a directory requester and/or using Tooltypes and
>possibly from CLI using command line arguments and/or a directory
>requester.
>Is there anybody out there that got a feeling what I'm looking for?
>If so, do you know of a such program, or maybe someone could write one.
>IMHO Commodore should include something like this with Workbench.
>
Under Workbench 2.0 or later, simply select the Icon you want to
appear on your Workbench screen, and choose "Leave Out" from the
Workbench ICON menu.  I currently have the Klondike game Icon and
the Shell Icon set this way, so that they appear on my Workbench
screen at boot-up.
--

    Bob Proffitt, KH6C			uunet.uu.net!pegasus!bpamiga!bob
    Pearl City, Hawaii			Voice (808) 456 2777
From: Roger_Martensson@nola.bbs.bad.se (Roger Martensson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: How do I run 1.3 when both roms are installed?
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 92 16:39:55 +0000
Reply-To: Roger_Martensson@nola.bbs.bad.se (Roger Martensson)
Distribution: world
Organization: Nolaskolans TCL, Ornskoldsvik, Sweden 
OD-Comment-To: Tim_Leonard

 TL> My question is this: 
 TL>         How do I use the "OLD" files to boot 1.3? 
 
First of all you'll need to know what version your OS has. 
First a word of warning. I haven't tryed this, mostly because I don't have a 
kickstart switch. And I may make a very big misstake. But I think it will work.
 
--------- Cut ----------- 
SetPatch >NIL: 
if warn (Or perhaps not warn) 
        Assign sys: <HardDriveName>:OLD 
        assign c: sys:c 
        assign libs: sys:libs 
        assign devs: sys:libs 
        assign s: sys:s 
        assign l: sys:l 
        ..... 
        execute s:Startup-sequence 
        quit 
endif 
 
---------- Cut ---------------- 
 
As I said before, I may have wrong about this. But if I don't fail to remember,
then SetPatch will return a warn when it sees that you don't use 2+ of the OS. 
 
Otherwise, search for a program that do that. I think you will find one. I did,
but I don't have a kickstartswitch. 
 
Kind regards, 
/Rm - InterNet: Roger_Martensson@p3.f607.n901.z92.badnet.bad.se  
  
---
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: oahvenla@blob.cs.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi)
Subject: Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:03:44 GMT

In <1992Oct8.055126.19866@athena.mit.edu> fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei) writes:
>To those who are going to purchase an A4000 and a 14" size monitor, I can
>already offer an alternative to the C= 1950 or 1960 monitors.  I bought an
>NEC 3DS for my A3000 over a year ago. It works with all screenmodes (ie. syncs
>down to 15kHz). I haven't had any problems with the 3DS, and I'm sure you can
>get one for less than either of the Commodore monitors. There have been
>several posts in the past listing multisyncs which support 15kHz, so if
>anyone is intersted I'm sure the list can be posted again. :)

From academical curiosity only: Nec 3DS supports horizontal sync down to 15kHz,
but what about refresh rates? I read about some monitor that can do 15kHz, but
only 55Hz refresh. I don't remember which it was though. PAL screen modes need
50Hz refresh. If I have understood correctly, to use all A4000 screenmodes you
would need a multiscan monitor capable of 15kHz to 31.5kHz horizontal sync and
50Hz to 72Hz refresh. Is this correct? Are there any monitors that can do this,
and how do they measure to others in terms of display clarity, contrast etc?
Also, in A3000 using deinterlaced 640x512 mode takes chip RAM bandwidth the
same amount that a 640x256 mode would. I understand that using DblPAL 640x512
would take twice this, refreshing the whole screen in 50Hz... Is this true?

>Francis
--
Osma Ahvenlampi  -  oahvenla@niksula.cs.hut.fi
My opinions are mine, and though someone else may share them, that's not my
fault. You may freely agree or disagree with me, I don't much care.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Fantasy Football Program?
From: slp@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:07:14 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University
Summary: Looking for a program for Fantasy Football

I run one of those Fantasy football Leagues and I'm getting a bit tired of doing
everything by hand. Does anybody out there know of a program that will help me
tabulate stats, scores, rosters, etc....thanks
From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: 2.05 ROMs needed for Amigados 2.1 upgrade?
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 00:30:09 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>I was told by a friend of mine that his local Amiga dealer insisted that
>the 2.1 software upgrade requires the 2.05 ROMs, not the 2.04 ROMs.  Is
>this true?  Or is this dealer simply misinformed, or possibly duping my
>friend?

The dealer is all wet..... or, he wants to make some extra coin on a new,
uneeded ROM.  8-)

There are some GREAT dealers out there (we have a couple in Chicago area)
but there are also some real slime (the downtown dealer).  It could be
he/she has his/her head buried and listens to gossip from his/her customers
instead of tech notes from CBM (BTW- is he a CBM cert.  dealer?).

>Rob Poole
>pooler@rpi.edu
>pooler@cs.rpi.edu

-Joel (running 2.1 with 2,04 ROMS)
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/ Portal ID: joeles..../...joeles@cup.portal.com        & CBM developer /
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