HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc

How about an HP 48sx calculator 8)

Believe it or not, this little beasty will do symbolic algebra
(it even does symbolic differentiation and integration).

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Network Test Division           ...!hplabs!hpspd!stevewi
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,alt.config
From: cline@cs.scarolina.edu (Ernest Cline)
Subject: RFD: alt.apple.newton
Keywords: Newton
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 22 Jul 92 08:45:12 GMT

There has been a lot of discussion of late about Newton the pen based PDA
that Apple will be introducing soon. Yet since this is not a Macintosh, and
will not be using the MacOS it really doesn't seem to belong in
comp.sys.mac.misc. Therefore, I propose the group alt.apple.newton an
unmoderated group for the discussion of this device. Comments will be
appreciated. If the consensus of opinion that I see is that such a group
would be useful, then I'll get to learn about how to create a newgroup. If
not, oh well.
BTW, if I get no comments at all I'll take this as a lack of interest in
such a group.

Ernest Cline		cline@cs.scarolina.edu		TheUSC
"To turn the computer on, turn the on switch onto the on position."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: kevinc@comm.mot.com (Kevin Cutts)
Subject: Mac Link to Sharp Wizard
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:34:11 GMT

I recently purchased a Sharp Wizard pocket organizer with the 
Mac interface cable. I have been attempting to download files 
with limited success. It seems like when the file becomes large
the transfer becomes flaky. I can tranfer two small files easily
but when these same two files are concatenated, some information
is lost in the transfer. Has anyone else experienced this problem 
and is there a solution? I have the ZQ5200 with link package OZ-793A. 
I am transferring files from a IIcx with 7.0.1 software.
From: bebb@ukfca1 (Malcolm Bebb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: CLIs that teach; GUIs that don't
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:12:39 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger Technologies, Board Test, Ferndown, England


 jem@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com (Jim McCauley) writes:

> I use both a Macintosh and Unix systems frequently,
>and frankly, I favor an editor-based CLI (like the Korn shell) over
>the Mac interface for nearly everything I do.  Simple features like a
>command history and command-line editing are enormously helpful.

and a fair amount more besides.  I'm not flaming, but I found the post
more than a little irritating, especially:

>If a GUI actually encouraged users to learn something about the architecture 
>of the system they were using, I would be all for it.

I don't subscribe to the view that you have to understand the inner workings
of anything before you can be allowed to use it.  I don't want a user
interface which "encourages" me to learn about the architecture.  When I use
a spreadsheet, I want to do some sums, not learn about the architecture of
the machine I happen to be using.  Similarly, when I use a word processor
I want to write some text, and when I'm in the finder I want to find files,
or whatever.

If the interface "encourages" or constrains me to do *ANYTHING* other than
my chosen task, it is coming between me and my reason for using the system.
If I have to learn CLI instructions (even on a multiple-choice basis!),
that is extra work - I don't need it.  The interface should be transparent.

In my view, you need to know HOW something works in order to:

a) Fix it when it breaks   (answer - make it more reliable)
b) Get the best out of it  (answer - make it easier to use)
c) Learn from it, or have fun tinkering with it.    (Fair enough)
d) Make something like it (fine - but a specialist task.  Joe User probably
isn't interested)

I use both CLIs and GUIs.  GUIs have their limitations, but on the whole
I much prefer them.  The user doesn't need a command history *or* a command 
line editor if the system is sufficiently friendly.  

Malcolm      

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From: trimper@edsi.plexus.COM (Greg Trimper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.periphs.printers,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Refilling HP Double Capacity Ink Cartridges
Date: 22 Jul 92 03:31:13 GMT
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI


Refilling HP Double Capacity Cartridges.

If anyone has refilled the normal HP Ink cartridges, you know how easy and
reliable the procedure can be.  Well, I purchased one of the Double Capacity
cartridges after a normal cart that I had refilled 10 times physically died. 
This was, to say the least, an adventure.

Took the empty cartridge out.  Noticed the case is a smoky clear plastic - it
appeared to be the normal black when full, due to the ink.  Inside, I could
see two air filled plastic pouches, one on either side.  On top, there are two
sealed openings: one on the upper left corner, and one in the center.  Here
is where it gets fun.  The left hand pouch is connected to the upper left
hole - puncture the left hole, the left pouch deflates.  The right hand pouch
is attached to the center hole.  Puncture the center hole, it deflates.  Big
deal, right?  Well, puncture either hole, start filling it with ink.  Look at
your hands (and pants, and the table that you forgot to cover with a towel,
as you were really comfortable with refilling the old catridges).  On the
bottom of the cart there is a circular inset, it has a spiral tube and a hole
to the outside.  If you puncture either bag, the ink comes out that hole in
the bottom.  HP has a message for you: RWe overengineer our ink cartridges to
INSURE that you canUt refill them.S

Ha!  But you can.  FIRST, before you do anything, take the empty cart, and
clean it up.  Take some gel superglue, and fill in the little indent/hole on
the bottom.  Put some strong, clear, thin packing tape over that.  NOW, and
only after sealing that hole, carefully punch a needle through the left hand
hole.  The plastic plug will probably fall in.  No big deal, the convienent,
now airless, plastic pouch will retain it.  Fill the cart with ink.  Take
some soft poster tack or putty and clog the hole - it needs to be airtight. 
You are now the proud possessor of a refilled Double capacity ink cartridge. 
BUT MAKE SURE YOU SEAL THAT BOTTOM HOLE!  

This is an extremely dirty, expensive, and useless trick by HP.  This is the
first time that I have NOT been completely pleased with an HP product.  I am
going to make a call to them tommorow with my ink-stained fingers, which are
typing this message now.

Greg Trimper trimper@aol.com, @edsi.plexus.com, TRIMPERG@LAWRENCE.EDU
"The Man with the Ink Stained Hands"
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.misc:13912 comp.sys.mac.hardware:14326 comp.sys.mac.system:10449 comp.sys.mac.wanted:6985
From: tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: Re: Need LISA (Yes LISA) system disks
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:49:39 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett) writes:
- 
- The Lisa 2 was essentially a Lisa with *one* 3.5" 400K drive, no bundled
- software (maybe some system stuff; I don't remember), and a variety of
- configurations: 512K of memory or 1M of memory; and no, 5, or 10M hard
- disks.  Both hard disks became known as "Profiles," but in my mind, the
- Profile will always be the 5M tank that sat on top of the Apple ///.  But
- I digress. :-)  The Lisa 2/5 retailed for about $6000 when it came out;
- food for thought, for those who insist on whining about not getting any
- computer from Apple, anymore.
- 
- The 5M hard disk went on top (the Profile); the 10M goes in the front case.
- If you find early Lisa 1's, sometimes, you'll find TWO 5M Profiles
- stacked on top!  This before the 10M unit was released with the Lisa 2.
- 

A Lisa 1 with two floppies (660K?), two 5M (120ms?) Profiles and the
included (5?) applications cost $16,000 in Sweden...

-- 
=============================================================================
 Tommy Petersson              tope@enea.se              Enea Data AB, Sweden
=============================================================================
From: ace@tidbits.com (Adam C. Engst)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: TidBITS#135/27-Jul-92 posted in c.s.m.digest
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 22:20:51 PDT
Organization: TidBITS
Reply-To: ace@tidbits.com (Adam C. Engst)
Distribution: world
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v3

TidBITS#135/27-Jul-92
 
 Psst! Wanna buy a PowerBook 100 cheap? Read on. We also have a
   report on the 1992 MacHack Conference - including notes on the
   winning hacks, two articles describing how Apple is racing to
   save the environment and only occasionally tripping over its
   shoelaces, and finally, the promised review of two excellent
   trackballs, the CoStar Stingray and Curtis MVP Mouse with Foot
   Switch.
 
Topics:
    MailBITS/27-Jul-92
    PowerBook 100... Cheap
    MacHack News
    Apple Toner Recycling, Uh Huh!
    The Apple Environment
    Goldilocks and the Three Trackballs
    Reviews/27-Jul-92
 
[Archived as /info-mac/digest/tb/tidbits-135.etx; 29K]

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From: kevinh@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Kevin Herrboldt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Autodoubler needs Diskdoubler?
Date: 26 Jul 92 03:41:50 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

>Now, you don't *have* to have DD to run AD, but you will find yourself playing
>ridiculous games to get around AD's limitations which, frankly, I believe
>were left in to push people into buying both products.
>
>These limitations are:
>
>4 - The worst thing about AD-only is there is NO WAY TO DECOMPRESS
>    A FILE. I find this absolutely ridiculous. The only way to do it
>    is to make a copy of the file (which will be created uncompressed),
>    then delete the original, then rename the copy. I'm not kidding.
>

This is absolutely false.  AutoDoubler comes with a utility called "ADExpand
Util" (as well as others) to uncompress files without AutoDoubler running.

--
kevinh@pnet51.orb.mn.org
{crash tcnet}!orbit!pnet51!kevinh
From: davee@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Dave Elliott)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:19:04 GMT
Subject: Nonstop SFO->BOS; JFK(NYC)->SFO For Sale
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc

   Taking a last-minute trip to MacWorld Expo??
   Need to go to Boston OR New York?

   Avoid full coach fare.

   Try this...

                Thursday, JULY 30      United Flight #20

                    Leave  SFO   1:40 PM
                    Arrive BOS  10:07 PM  (nonstop)

                Sunday, AUGUST 9       United Flight #9

                    Leave  JFK  12:00 Noon
                    Arrive SFO   3:07 PM  (nonstop)


   Tickets with boarding passes.  Female name.

   Date or time of return flight can be changed for $25 fee.

   $400. or best offer. 

                                             Dave Elliott
                                             (408) 447-6024
                                             davee@hpda.hp.com ----------
----------
From: GFCARDINALE@poppy.ucdavis.edu (GEOGORY F. CARDINALE)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: For Sale:  20 MB Internal HD:  $55 + 1/2 shipping
Date: 27 Jul 92 08:06:58 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

(Posted for a friend)


20 MB HD
SCSI
Miniscribe Drive
Internal
*NO* hardware, i.e. mounting bracket or SCSI cable included.

Asking:  $55.00 + 1/2 shipping costs (within cont. US).

Reply via e-mail to address below.

Thanks.

Greg C.
gfcardinale@ucdavis.edu
From: olevi@daimi.aau.dk (Ole Villumsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Quicktime on System 6
Date: 18 Jul 92 09:41:14 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark

>I don't know if this is a stupid question, but I was wondering if it was 
>possible to run Quicktime on a system running 6.0.X?  I think I saw a 
>reference to this somewhere, but it didn't go into details.

It is possible. I believe you need at least version 6.0.7.

___________________________________________________________________
 Ole V. Villumsen              email:   ovillumsen@daimi.aau.dk
 Computer Science Department   phone:   (+45) 86 12 71 88 ext. 5104
 Aarhus University             direct:  (+45) 86 20 27 11 - 5104
 Building 540                  fax:     (+45) 86 13 57 25
 Ny Munkegade                  private: (+45) 86 27 29 26
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: lefty@apple.com (David "Lefty" Schlesinger)
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:44:41 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc

In article <1992Jul29.172629.22165@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>,
smoon@strfleet.gsfc.nasa.gov (Sang J. Moon) wrote:
> 
> Reading the 7/27/92 issue of MacWeek, p.46, it seems Apple agrees
> that macintoshes are overpriced compared to other personal computers:
> 
>    "[Apple executives] made it clear to [analysts] that they will
>    aggressively price their products soon," said John Girton, vice
>    president of research for Van Kasper & Co. in San Francisco.
> 
> Of course, this could mean only a small discount is coming, but Apple is
> feeling the pinch of the much cheaper PC clones.

With all due respect, I think this is a misinterpretation.

If you look back over the past couple of years, Apple has been increasing
pressure on the clone makers by aggressively lowering Macintosh prices,
rather than the other way around.

All the above quote suggests is that we're going to continue to do so.

--
David "Lefty" Schlesinger (lefty@apple.com)
AppleTalk Bug Wrangler
Apple Computer, Inc.
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tuesday, 28 Jul 1992 14:06:46 MST
From: <ICBAL@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject:    Directory Assistance I or II

Well, after using Directory Assistance II for several weeks (part of the
Norton Utilities 2 package), I am giving up on it and going back to
Directory Assistance I. Some times it is very nice, but other times it
is a royal pain.  Three main complaints:

1. It is slow. Every time an "Open" or "Save" dialog is invoked, it takes
   several seconds longer before the dialog finally appears.

2. When the dialog finally appears, I frequently ask myself "Where am I?"
   (This is particularly true when using DAs.) It is very confusing to
   have the dialog default to the inside of different folders. With
   Directory Assistance I, I always knew exactly where I was. Not so with II.

3. When I am trying to save a document and I finally reach the correct folder,
   frequently a sub-folder is selected. That means that when I hit return
   to save that document, instead of saving the document it merely opens up
   the sub-folder, forcing me to back out of the sub-folder and try to
   save the document again.

All in all, I consider Directory Assistance II to be a major leap backwards,
and I feel sorry for any novice Mac users who find themselves on Macs where
it is installed.  I love Directory Assistance I (to "View by Date" within
a dialog is wonderful, allowing you to easily find the files most recently
worked on); but Directory Assistance II is a giant leap toward bloated
confusion.

I am sticking with Directory Assistance I.

Bruce Long
Department of Mathematics
Arizona State University
icbal@asuvm.inre.asu.edu
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From: watson@clark.edu (Dennis Watson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: Re: LISA: antique or outdated (What's it worth?)
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:36:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: clark.1992Jul30.163603.15781
Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa.  USA

I got a LISA MacXL from them (when they were charging $999 :( ) with a
10 MB HD and 800K floppy. Also included MacWorks Plus to make the LISA
think it is a Mac Plus (New roms, too) With only 1 MB ram, it would not run
any of the newer stuff and seems to be stuck at OS 6.0.2.  It won't run
an installer.  Also, the HD drive went out right away.  They replaced it free,
but I lost all my data. (I know, I know, backup!)  Then a chip whet out
on the floppy controller.  Now either a video chip is going or my power
supply.  It is SLOW, too!  BUT! it got me into the world of MAC cheaper at
the time then any other path and I was able to use most stuff that will run
on a MAC Plus.  I am replacing it with an LCII but I will always have fond
memories of my first 'Mac'.  The SUN prices are for LISA's with the new
MacPlus ROMs are so are probably higher then and unmodified LISA.

Dennis
watson@clark.edu
From: 3IU4TOB@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Resedit permanently wrecks screen colors(?)
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:43:48 GMT
Organization: Central Michigan University

Scenario:
(1) Teenage son teaches friend how to use ResEdit
(2) Friend edits some resource  in the Finder on his Mac LC
(3) Crazy color combinations of menu bar, etc appear and are enjoyed.
(4) Colors screw up the menu bars of random applications making them work
    badly.
(5) Friend replaces finder to get things back to normal.
(6) Colors persist!
(7) What to do?
From: hees@infko.uni-koblenz.de (Uwe Hees)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Looking for BinHex 4.0
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:23:50 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Koblenz (FB Informatik)

Hello there!
I'm wondering if someone clould tell me what BinHex 4.0 is
(I guess something like uudecode) and where I can get it. 
  If you answer to this posting and want to send me a copy of
BinHex, please send just a note that you are willing to
send it. (I don't want to get millions of copies. :-)
  Since I have my account on a UN*X host, you'd have to
tar?, compress und uuencode the stuff.
Thank you in advance
	Uwe

--
Uwe Hees                        | hees@infko.uni-koblenz.de
D-5400 Koblenz, Germany         |       (NeXTmail ok)
From: landay@Xerox.com (James Landay)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Apple Menu organization
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:51:00 GMT
Reply-To: landay@Xerox.com (James Landay)
Organization: Xerox PARC


How do I change the order of the items in the Apple Menu.
I do NOT want it in alphabetical order. I want the program 
I use often near the top (so I wish to specify an arbitary
ordering.)  Also, I do NOT want hierarchical menus.

Thanks

-- 

James A. Landay
landay@cs.cmu.edu
From: bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:23:35 GMT
Organization: Hayes Microcomputer Products, Norcross, GA

In article <1992Jul24.131236.4307@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, smoon@strfleet.gsfc.nasa.gov (Sang J. Moon) writes:
> In article <ewright.711925511@convex.convex.com>, ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>> 
>> You also snuck a lie in sideways.  You talk about reinstalling the
>> system and rebuilding the desktop together, as if these are both 
>> jobs of equivalent complexity.  In fact, all you have to do to
>> rebuild the desktop is to hold down a modifier key during startup.
>> Pretty hard, isn't it?
> 
> You have never rebuilt your desktop in system 7 so you don't know
> what you are talking about.  As far as I know, there is no modifier
> key you can hold down in System 7 to rebuild the desktop.  

"To rebuild the desktop of a startup disk, hold down the Option and
(Command icon) keys while starting up your computer. Keep holding down
the keys until you see a message asking whether you want to rebuild the
desktop"

-- from System 7 Reference. Page 311.

Sang, I don't think statements like the above really help your credibility.
After all, rebuilding the desktop is even in the index of the doggone manual!

Perhaps if you would bother to read the manual, you'd have less trouble using
Macs.

> No.  My claim has always been that Macintosh cost too much, and I can get
> (and have gotten) an equivalent PC based system to do the same work I do
> on a mac at a significantly lower price.  

Fine. Go buy said system. Go use it. Stop reading comp.sys.mac.*. Be happy.

-- 
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POB 105203 Atlanta, GA 30348 USA   ! Internet: bcoleman%hayes@uunet.uu.net
Disclaimer: "My employer doesn't pay me to have opinions."
Quote: "The same light shines on vineyards that makes deserts." -Steve Hackett.
From: Adam.Frix@p18.f20.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: FAQ -- AutoDoubler vs. Gatekeeper
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 92 04:29:11 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/20.18 - cmhGate UF Gateway, Columbus OH

chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Chris Johnson) writes:

CJ> It's worth noting, by the way, that AutoDoubler initially 
CJ> had problems (some similar, some not) with both Virex and 
CJ> Virus Detective (probably others as well, but I only know 
CJ> about those two). Did Salient choose to fix their new product? 
CJ> No. Instead they got the authors of those two products to 
CJ> change their code to work around AutoDoubler. 

It's worth noting, by the way, that AutoDoubler has never had any such
problems with Rival--an antivirus utility that also scans files as they're
opened.

Given that, my question is this:  what is Rival doing, while retaining its
antiviral capabilities, that Virex, VD, and GKA are doing differently?

--Adam--
 
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From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:43:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: claris.14878

In article <920541.2A74E391@cmhgate.fidonet.org>, Adam.Frix@p18.f20.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix) writes:
> 
> mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
> 
> > deal. At home nobody pays me but I have to pay the computer. So for me the >
> 386 is the better deal. Were is the problem?
> MS>  IOW, your time is valuable to your boss, but not worth much 
> MS> to you, right? 
> 
> I think he means that he doesn't mind doing the work necessary to get a 386
> box running, much in the same way that many people don't mind grabbing a
> wrench and fixing up the family car, or fixing their own plumbing or
> electrical problems, etc., etc.  Whereas the boss would just call in an
> electrician (or other specialist), the guy at home generally rolls his own,
> usually for lack of hard cash to do it otherwise.

Your analogy breaks down, Adam; with the Mac, the boss doesn't have to call
in an specialist--except in very unusual circumstances.