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From: kubard@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: trial.talk.politics.peace
Subject: A difference of definition
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:28:05 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Hi Glenn!

Very interesting response to my post.  I think you are correct when you
perceive us having a difference of definition rather than opinion.

I an not, to be sure, an advocate of violence.  I am an advocate of effecting
social change when one finds it necessary.  I would agree with you that leading
by example is the best method of trying to bring about a change that one sees
as necessary.  However, while I will cede you the point that effecting change
for the better has been used historically to justify atrocities, this does not
render the concept--the ideal--as bad or ineffectual.  It is the responsibility
of each individual to do what they believe is best.  Unfortunately, not
everyone has the same view of what is best or how to go about it.  As it
impossible to wholly foresee the consequences of our actions, fretting over the 
end result will move us to inaction.  This is not to say one shouldn't consider
the consequences of one's actions, but we can't worry so much as not to act.

Also, it was not my intention to say that everyone needs to be more pacifistic
when I stated that "we must act if our pacifistic beliefs are to be the norm,
not the exception."  However, when we choose a way of life, a belief, or an
ideal, we consider that the best way.  Otherwise, we would not have chosen it. 
Sartre would say that to choose an ideal is to by way of implication choose it
for everyone.  Now this is obviously a very simplistic reading of the
complicated process by which we choose our beliefs, but there is some truth to
it.  While I wouldn't wish to impose my beliefs on anyone, I would (by virtue
of my human nature) like for them to choose them as well.  Does this clarify
what I meant.

I also question the idea of believing in a deified concept of love, but if that
is the focus that your pacifism takes, then more power to you.

Again, I welcome your response, and that of others.

						Peace,
						John R. Phythyon,  Jr.


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From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Subject: new business
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 06:14:19 GMT

From: Zafar Minhas (Management And Resource Evaluations)
To: Anyone in the Midwest Area who needs the following computer services
Re: Computer Consultant Group

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Newsgroups: osu.general,oh.general,osu.for-sale,osu.sports,cmh.general
From: jingyao@rainier.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jinyao Liu)
Subject: Need Two tickets for OSU-Bowling Green game this Saturday
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Distribution: oh
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 19:29:09 GMT


   Need two tickets for the OSU-BG game this Saturday. Please send email 
or call  (614) 236-1007. Leave a message.

Thanks

Newsgroups: oh.general
From: scoter@ntmtv.UUCP (Patrick Thompson)
Subject: Shri Mataji to visit Cincinnati
Originator: scoter@nmtvs12
Keywords: Sahaja Yoga, Meditation, Kundalini, Self-realization, Free, Safe
Reply-To: scoter@ntmtv.UUCP (Patrick Thompson)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 00:07:17 GMT


Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, founder of Sahaja Yoga, will visit
Cincinnati on Thursday, September 10th to give a free lecture on 
self-realization and the "Sahaja Yoga experience."

Her itinerary on this, her first tour of North America since
April 1991, includes visits to New York, Cincinnati, Toronto, 
Vancouver, Seattle, and Los Angeles.

Shri Mataji believes that world peace and collective consciousness 
can be achieved only through the inner transformation of human 
beings. Her system of meditation, Sahaja Yoga, manifests a subtle 
energy. This is experienced as vibrations which are felt on the 
central nervous system and lead to greater awareness and deeper 
intuition. Rather than requiring a "leap of faith," it is an actual 
experience of the integration of our physical, mental, emotional, 
and spiritual being. It thus brings about complete balance and inner 
peace. By bringing together people of all religious, ethnic, and 
social backgrounds, she has proven that the human bond is more than 
skin deep and that all ideologies are encompassed by the same 
universal values and truths.


		=======================================
		Cincinnati Public Program
		Thursday, September 10th, 7:30 pm.
		Eden Park
		Seasongood Pavilion
		Info: (513) 563-0584
		Free of charge
		=======================================



For more information about this upcoming program or Sahaja Yoga 
in general, call the local information number given above or 
1-800-745-YOGA.




------------------------------
Patrick Thompson
ntmtv!scoter@ames.arc.nasa.gov

Newsgroups: oh.general
From: crussel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Carol A Russell)
Subject: Re: GIANT PANDAS AT COLUMBUS ZOO?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: oh
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 12:33:59 GMT

In article <1909@ncrsmg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> jcoates@ncrsmg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Jim
D Coates) writes:
>
>Can anyone tell me if the Giant Pandas are still at the Columbus zoo? And, if
>so, until when?
>
>Thanks.
>
>
>Jim
>

From the advertisements out on the radio, I believe the pandas are leaving 
September 15.

carol
From: jcoates@ncrsmg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Jim D Coates)
Newsgroups: oh.general
Subject: GIANT PANDAS AT COLUMBUS ZOO?
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:50:25 GMT
Reply-To: jcoates@ncrsmg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Jim D Coates)
Distribution: oh
Organization: NCR Systemedia Group Headquarters, Dayton (Miamisburg), Ohio


Can anyone tell me if the Giant Pandas are still at the Columbus zoo? And, if
so, until when?

Thanks.


Jim

Newsgroups: oh.general
From: hschmidt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Heidi E Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Renaissance Festival
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: oh
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:28:40 GMT

   The festival has several free (optional donation) plays that are parodies
of some of the old plays such as Beowolf, Hamlet, Dantes' inferno...
The food choices are limited and have liberal salt and sugar applied.  The 
crafts are wonderful and there are several rides for children as well as games 
(one ex: instead of bowling over pins to win a prize(?) children knock over a 
cabbage patch monk w/ heart underwear no less ;)  )
There is a duo who will braid women or mens hair.  That can run from $8-$20
There are many people in costume and they are quite engaging.  One Lord walks 
around professing his love for any maiden that happens to be nearby.... :)
Hope that is enough info.... There was a huge ad in the Columbus Weekender that
is given out on Thursdays with the paper.
Newsgroups: oh.general
Subject: Re: GIANT PANDAS AT COLUMBUS ZOO?
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:29:29 GMT
Distribution: oh
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio

In article <1992Sep8.123359.4640@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> crussel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Carol A Russell) writes:
>In article <1909@ncrsmg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> jcoates@ncrsmg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Jim
>D Coates) writes:
>>
>>Can anyone tell me if the Giant Pandas are still at the Columbus zoo? And, if
>>so, until when?
>
>From the advertisements out on the radio, I believe the pandas are leaving 
>September 15.

They will be there  for public display until Sept. 20, and will be
sent back a little after that.
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Newsgroups: oh.general
Subject: Re: GIANT PANDAS AT COLUMBUS ZOO?
Date: 6 Sep 92 00:37:39 GMT
Distribution: oh
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio

In article <1909@ncrsmg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> jcoates@ncrsmg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Jim D Coates) writes:
>
>Can anyone tell me if the Giant Pandas are still at the Columbus zoo? And, if
>so, until when?


The last day to see them is Sept. 20.

A good time is approx 5:00 - 5:30 pm.  A bad time is 2pm.

By bad, I mean they often sleep around that time.  Around 5-5:30
they eat.   And that's about it for the pandas.  They probably eat
sometime in the morning too, but you might want to call the zoo and
see if they'll tell you when they eat and when they sleep.
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
Newsgroups: oh.general
From: r1yc@VAX1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Yutang Chuang)
Subject: Micro Center PC (Laser brand)
Organization: The University of Akron, Akron, Ohio
Distribution: oh
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:28:45 GMT

(Sorry if this is not the right group to ask the question.)

I am seeking net opinions on the PC clones (Laser brand) sold by
Micro Center (they have offices in Cleveland, Columbus etc.)

I would appriciate it if some one who has experience with these machines
can give comments and comparison to PCs sold by Dell, Gateway 2000 etc.

Thanks in advance.

-- 
Yutang Chuang           Internet:       r1yc@vax1.cc.uakron.edu
From: ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill)
Newsgroups: oh.general
Subject: NOTICE:"Bigfoot/Sasquatch" Sightings Request
Date: 14 Sep 1992 02:53:59 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


   Our research group is currently investigating reports and sightings of the
animal known as "Bigfoot" or "Sasquatch". If you or somebody you know has had
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of such an animal, please get in contact with us in one of the following
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From: mallman@aegeus.UUCP (Mark Allman    )
Newsgroups: oh.test
Subject: test test test
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 15:09:26 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Worlds Largest Stress Test


this is a test as to whether or not aegeus.uucp is, in fact, able to post
to newsgroups.

Newsgroups: oh.cast
From: jfraser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jane Fraser)
Subject: Ozone depletion and wave propogation
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: oh
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:43:01 GMT

Someone asked me what, if any, will be the effect on long distance
wave propogation of ozone depletion.  I can make some (I hope)
intelligent guesses, but does anyone know?  Or have a reference?  or a
lead to someone who will know?  Thanks.  Jane

Newsgroups: oh.cast
From: Tony Scott <tscott@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: commentary on SUEARN message.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:06:48 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

CAST collegues (fellow fishermen and women...)

I have taken the liberty of propagating to the CAST bulletin board
a copy of the latest SUEARN digest, a very long message which 
contains an important paper on the development of networking in the
ex-Soviet Union.

I felt justified in doing this as, even on a quick first reading,
I was struck by the number of research opportunities for CAST
folks opening up: the opportunity to study the development of
network use in an almost 'green fields' situation being not the least
of these.

I was also struck by the potential of linking these developments with
our recent Infoport discussions. We've been thinking of the Infoport
perhaps as a free-for-all market place (not free in the $ sense, more
in the fisticuffs sense) in which Columbus, as market "owner" would
somehow be neutral. But maybe we should think of Columbus, and OSU
in particular, giving a helping hand to some of our Russian and other
East European colleagues.  I seem to remember a lot of OSU folks had
firs hand experience of the coup and counter-coup, that the College
of Business has intentions to develop/assist with MBA programs, and so on.
Even if we 'electronically twinned' with one city, assisted them to tie
in to the Infoport, it would have a considerable impact.

I was witness (electronically) to the first steps of RELCOM, SUEARN and
GLASNET.  Some people tried to get themselves positioned as gatekeepers,
rather than facilitators of networking; others were very creative in the
use of networking to promote their own careers; some risked their lives
using networking to support the counter-coup, including Gorbachev supporters
who saw Yeltsin as dangerously volatile.  It will not be simple. Networking
with the xUSSR is different now from the recent past when you couldn't
get error-correcting protocols to work because the KGB computer that was
sampling the messages didn't reconstruct them properly.  One way in which
it is very different is the laboratory it provides in different strategies
of ownership and co-operative principle, ranging from those who seek to make
large profits to those who think free network access is the true mark of a
democratic society.  This range includes people in the academy, not just the
new entrepreneurs out to make an honest buck.  

But then, what models do they have to follow?

Tony Scott,  Art Education & ACCAD, Ohio State University

ps I left in the details of the Norway conference & the Fax gate
to the xUSSR.  I think it is significant that we should now
be thinking of Russia and Norway as "co-regional", and note the
developing use of 'faxgate' technology both here at OSU and in the xUSSR
Newsgroups: oh.cast
Subject: Re: What do we think info-port should be?
From: maw@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (michael.a.weinstein)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:05:10 GMT
Distribution: oh
Organization: AT&T
Summary: More Thoughts on Columbus as an Infoport



What should an infoport be (especially when the people responsible for the
designation don't know or won't tell you)?

I have seen some postings already concerning this, both on a macro (what
should an infoport be or do) and micro (e.g., should certain technologies
be deployed) level.  With the current state of thought so ill-defined, I
believe that it is important to stay on the macro level for now; the
specific technologies necessary to support the infoport should follow
naturally from a more concrete definition of what the infoport is.  My
thoughts follow:

1.  A key enabler of the infoport would be to set it up as a
telecommunications free trade zone with lower tariffs for traffic coming
into or out of the zone.  This would encourage its use (as opposed to
another city/region) and its economic development in general.  Information
created in certain offshore areas (Mexico or the Caribbean basin, for
example) could also be given preferential treatment.

2.  The infoport should be a global and/or regional information exchange
point, housing the applications and services necessary to support this
information exchange.  It is key that procedures be established with the UN,
and anyone else willing to abide by them, that information services
provided by the infoport not be duplicated elsewhere (e.g., by another
state or city that didn't receive the designation but wants to be an
infoport anyway).

3.  The infoport should be a regional information repository (e.g., for UN,
national, and international data).  Mechanisms should be put into place for
all interested users to access the data.

4.  Ohio must think big - with a 2 year franchise and other cities out to
get the franchise, Ohio must establish a dominant position rather than
targeting limited niches.

5.  Ohio and the UN (especially the latter) must make it clear as to why
using a designated infoport is better than using a non-infoport (e.g.,
better tariffs, taxes, services, information storage and access, etc.)

6.  Maximum benefit for the citizens of Ohio should be realized.  While
this applies in an economic sense, it also applies in an information
technology sense, too.  That is, any applicable information services
developed for the infoport should be offered to Ohio's citizens, too.  In
this way, the development of the global infoport can be leveraged for local
benefit, too.

Also, are there any UN documents available about the infoport designation?
Since they are promoting the concept, there must be some documentation
somewhere (if for no other reason than to give the UN something to vote on
in the first place and to establish criteria for selecting infoports).

Mike Weinstein
Room 1F-331A, AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel, NJ  07733-3030
908-949-2080
maw@arch1.att.com or attmail!maweinstein
Newsgroups: oh.cast,cmh.general,rec.radio.amateur.packet,fido.226
From: gws@n8emr.cmhnet.org (Gary Sanders)
Subject: Digital Seminar
Organization: HAM BBS, 614-895-2553 (1200/2400/v.32/pep)
Distribution: oh
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 03:09:30 GMT


Sunday Sept 13, 1992 Kantronics will be presenting a FREE!!!
all day digital Seminar. If your interested in Amateur packet 
radio be sure to stop by.

Sessions run from 9am till 5pm, with registration starting at
8:30am. Sessions will be held at the Radisson Airport Hotel
1375 Cassaday Ave, Columbus. 475-7551.

Sessions schedule.

9-10:30
Overview of packet radio. This is a basic intro to what amateur
packet is and its many uses.

11-12:30
Connecting your equipment. This session revolves around RS232 and 
connecting your Terminal Node Controller (TNC) to various radio's.

1:30-3pm
Getting on the Air. How to make your first contact, basics of networks
and networking.

3:30-5:00
Open Form. Session will cover about anything you want to talk about
in digital communications. WEFAX, RTTY, ASCII, AMTOR and others.

Four door prize drawings will be held through the days. 

Kantronics is a manufacuture of Amateur radio packet equipment.


Kantronics technical personal will be at Universion Amateur radio
Saturday Sept 12.
-- 
Gary W. Sanders gws@n8emr.cmhnet.org, 72277,1325
N8EMR @ N8JYV (ip addr) 44.70.0.1 [Ohio AMPR address coordinator]
HAM BBS 614-895-2553 (1200/2400/V.32/PEP) Voice: 614-895-2552 (eves/weekends)
Newsgroups: can.english
From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: "Funny" English :-)
Organization: University of Toronto -- Hart House
Distribution: can
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:05:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.111301.23206@spxtech.qc.ca> steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter) writes:

>I wonder if people are often annoyed by misuse or invention of words.

Hart House has engaged consultants to aid us in producing SIGNAGE.

Signage is like sewage or garbage, except it involves signs.

One wonders why folks just can't say "signs".

Aryk Nusbacher
From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
Newsgroups: can.english
Subject: "Funny" English :-)
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:13:01 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 939

I wonder if people are often annoyed by misuse or invention of words.


Here is one that "ticked me off" this morning:-

"Plenary" - as in a "Plenary Session" or "Plenary Meeting" when the intended
meaning is "Planning Session" or "Planning Meeting".

This is incorrect.

"Plenary" means "fully attended or constituted by all entitled to be
present." {Webster's 9th New Collegiate}


Another word that I find annoying, invented relatively recently, is "ongoing".
(Readers of "Private Eye" will be familiar with this one :-) )


How about "scenario"?

How about "at this point in time".


I'm sure there are others out there! (? :-) )

-- 
  ///==================================================================\\\
  ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
  ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
Newsgroups: can.english
Subject: Re: "Funny" English :-)
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:53:13 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 1478

From article <BuL6L2.K13@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca>, by aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher):
> In article <1992Sep14.111301.23206@spxtech.qc.ca> steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter) writes:
> 
>>I wonder if people are often annoyed by misuse or invention of words.
> 
> Hart House has engaged consultants to aid us in producing SIGNAGE.
> 
> Signage is like sewage or garbage, except it involves signs.
> 
> One wonders why folks just can't say "signs".
> 


I've seen "signification" used in this context in Quebec. I presume it
is a bad translation.

Another bad translation, which anglophones are equally guilty of in
reverse, is "explication" for "explanation".

I'm not really interested in bad translations though, these can be
forgiven.

When bad translations are used frequently enough, however, there is a
tendency for them to be adopted.

Quebec English has a number of these.

One example is the command "Close the T.V." or "Close the light" -
this one is very annoying. :-)

I suppose this goes back to the days when lighting was dependent on
gas. "Turn off" or "Close" could have been used in those days. Even
then wouldn't one have "closed the valve"? :-)

-- 
  ///==================================================================\\\
  ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
  ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
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