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From: goose@twinsun.com (Jennifer Bing Zheng)
Subject: Re: TDF on FOX Network LIVE!
Organization: Twin Sun, Inc
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:03:22 GMT

I almost went out to buy a TV (w/ VCR) when somebody pointed out it might
be a joke... (And we've got quite a few fun jokes on wreck.bikes lately.)
Can some serious soul tell me, for sure, whether it's for real?  If so, I
will make room for a TV and VCR and then go buy them.  Thanks!

-- 
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|X|          o~                  o~_		jennifer@twinsun.com
|X|         v|>                  ,>/-	    member of Dead Runners Society
|X|_________<_\__________________O_\O	Ride bike(set) ... carpe viam :-)
From: Howard.Gerber@urchin.fidonet.org (Howard Gerber)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Sticky Demand Traffic Light problem solution
Date: 01 Apr 92  23:02:30 CST

Peter Desnoyers writes:

 PD> The book "Effective Cycling" (I think) by Forrester has technical
 PD> details about how these inductive pickups work, and references to
 PD> even more technical descriptions, as well as the SAE guidelines
 PD> for them, etc. (it might actually be in an earlier book I have,
 PD> which is out of print. I'll try looking things up tonight.)

Forester's book "Bicycle Transportation" would be a much better source. This is Copyright 1983 from the MIT Press. I don't know for sure if it is out of print. I bought my copy at a used book store.

 * Origin: I'm pedalling as fast as I can! (1:106/88.0)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: idelson@idg02.bms.com (Ira Idelson)
Subject: Re: Thanks to Bill and Richard; deodorant; walking on bike shoes
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb PRI
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 11:14:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.014750.11205@husc3.harvard.edu> kim39@husc8.harvard.edu (John Kim) writes:
>III. Unusual things to do to your cycling shoes:
>
>6) Put duct tape over front vents next time to prevent my toes from going
>numb again.  Also put bits of duct tape and reflective stickers on my
>Look pedals to increase visibility and reduce chance of theft.
>-Case

I bought a product called Gator Tips a while back. These are neoprene toe
covers that are supposed to fit over your toes in your cycling shoes.
However, when cycling shoes fit properly there is no room to layer socks
or other stuff. So, I slipped these Gator tips over the toes on the out-
side of my shoes, cutting an opening on the bottom for the Look cleats.
These work great for cool (40's) temps but are no substitute for booties
in the cold weather.

Ira Idelson
idelson@idg02.bms.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bilbo@bisco.kodak.com (Charles Tryon)
Subject: Cross Posts  (was Greg LeMond on Summer Olympics Team USA?)
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company; Rochester, NY
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 14:17:54 GMT


  Ummm...  In case you haven't noticed yet, a bunch of people are not
  watching their Newsgroups line and crossposting a bunch of stuff to
  rec.motorcycles.

  PLEASE check your header lines before posting!


--
Chuck Tryon
    bilbo@bisco.kodak.com                                 B. Baggins
    << Kodak and I don't always share opinions. >>        At Your Service
 ____________________________________________________________________
   REAL Bicyclists don't take abuse from motorists, they drop them.
                                          -- Dan Mocsny
From: kruemp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (John Kruempelstaedter)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:48:13 GMT
Subject: Re: Thule vs. Yak Rack
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

/ hpcc01:rec.bicycles / sbixby@cup.portal.com (Steven W Bixby) / 10:05 am  Apr  3, 1992 /
>klee@wsl.dec.com writes:
>
>> In the west, Yakima (made in Washington state) is more popular.  In the
>> east, Thule (made in Sweeden) is more popular.
>
>Actually, Yakima racks are made in California.
>
>					- Phil

The first poster was right - Yakima racks are made in Washington state.

   -swb-   (Steve Bixby - sbixby@cup.portal.com)
----------
Actually,  the racks are made in Arcata,CA. (I have visited the HQ).  
They originally were made in Yakima, WA, but then moved to Arcata when
the orginal owner was bought out.  

Now, enough of that and on to the question.  I have the Yakima rack 
and I am extremely happy with it.  It is very solid and is very well
made.  The reason I bought the Yak rack was; #1 It was made in the USA,
#2 It had the "Feel" of quality that the Thule didn't, and  #3 I think it
looks better.  The Yak can be assembled without any tools and is very
simple.  The Thule you need tools but I don't know how difficult it
is to assemble.   If you find the Yak's at 10%-15% off, you have found
a good deal.  They are rarely on sale and if they are it's only 10%-15%.
Yakima must have some sort of price control.

Anyway, I would recommend the Yak rack.

John
From: leubas@bionette.cgrb.orst.edu (Sanford Leuba)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: comments on PBS bicycling show
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:31:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: talon.1992Apr13.033101.17357
Distribution: usa
Organization: Biological Computing Consortium, OSU, Corvallis, OR.

I just saw the program on bicycles for 2 hours on public broadcasting TV.
I liked it very much. However I was disappointed with the coverage of
getting the general public in the U.S. used to bicycling as a regular form
of commuting. The interviews were with a guy at Schwinn who said that the bike 
is a toy, and with a woman at the US Dept. of Transportation who was eulogizing
the great benefits of computers in autos so that commuters could avoid traffic
jams. There weren't any interviews with communities such as Madison, Wisc.
or Davis, Calif. which are serious about bicycling. And while there was a
little coverage of mainland China, the coverage did not focus on the well
planned bicycle cities such as Beijing where millions ride bicyles everyday.
The coverage that they did have of commuting in Japan showed bicyclists
sharing a little of the space with lots of cars.
Sanford Leuba   (leubas@bionette.cgrb.orst.edu )
From: sl3vx@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: CRUNCH Comer.---Tech. Problem
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:19:03 MDT
Organization: Utah State University


	The Crunch comer. is so dumb that the guy on the bike is in his Small
Chain ring while drafting---NOT
	Who is the person on the set that is in charge of all the technical
stuff?  They need some strong help!
gn-
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Computer that is easy to switch between bikes?
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:26:30 GMT

Alan Paxton writes:

> Does this mean that when I move my Avocet from a 27-inch wheel to a
> 700c, and recalibrate, that I've suddenly done 3% (or whatever) less
> miles for the year ?
> So I infer that it records ticks, and multiplies these by the calibration
> on display, rather than storing the sum over time of ticks*calibration.
> The metric/imperial switch I like. But why can't I climb in metres and
> travel in miles ?

Yes that is correct.  This design error occurred because emphasis was
given to easy switching between metric and English units while the
calibration was assumed to be self evident.  The programmer, not being
a bike rider, never considered use with different sized wheels, nor did
it appear to me when I tested it because I have only one bike.  The
discovery was made long after the unit reached the market by coincident.
I was goofing around with the calibration number on a unit with few mile
on it and noticed a change in total miles.

Of course you can ride in miles and climb in meters.  Just switch them
when you want to see it in the other umits.  To display mixed units would
apply to the fewest users so this option was not offered... but it may be.

I have no control over a software update and do not know where this item
stands in the queue.  I have collected more than a dozen program changes
that need action, most of which are enhancements.  Non of the changes
can be called bugs unless the calibration number problem fits that
definition.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Re: Kill a Biker, Go to Jail. NOT!!!
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:46:53 GMT

>shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry) writes:
>
>| I repeat.  You live in a federal republic.  The powers are shared
>| between the states and the federal side.  The only preservation of
>| individual rights is through restrictions on the federal congress.

NOTE:  The context of the above was re: the bill of rights.  Please
keep the context. 

In article <peercy.702350168@dopey.crhc.uiuc.edu> peercy@crhc.uiuc.edu
(Mike Peercy) writes: 
>Plus this catch-all restriction on state governments:
>
>                         AMENDMENT XIV, Section 1.
                                    ^^^

Not a part of the bill of rights.
Also related to trying to settle the dispute about States' Rights,
which underlay a lot of the first 100+ yrs of federal/state relations,
and which seem s to be re-emerging.  Didn't I already post on that?

>| read carefully and think
>
>Think about what you wrote above.  There's no restriction on the federal
>president?  

not with respect to individual rights.  Under the Constitution, the
Pres is not a lawmaker.  The Pres, some may argue, has gotten out of
control as a **rule**maker, not the same as a **law**maker, by
expanding the size and purview of the Exec Branch.

>And your state legislature can pass a law saying that all
>people who drive Miatas must give them up as well as their first born
>for execution?

Well, if I had a Miyata 921, I suppose they could have my first-born,
but not my bike.

>(Have to include something about driving.)
>
>Mike Peercy
-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
From: ctillier@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Clemens E. Tillier)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: riding up stairs
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:00:31 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <1992Apr15.022556.29387@xcluud.sccsi.com> paul@xcluud.sccsi.com (Paul Hutmacher) writes:
>Now that we've established that it's ok to ride a properly maintained ATB
>down stairs, could a few of you rad riders give me some hints on your
>techniques for riding up stairs?
>
>Since I bought my ATB I've not let things like curbs, ditches and such get
>in my way but I'll admit going up stairs is still a bit tough for me.
>
>-- 
>Paul Hutmacher  |     paul@xcluud.sccsi.com      |  .. like desperados
>Houston, Texas  |  {nuchat,lobster}!xcluud!paul  |  waiting for a train.

I didn't think you could do that until one day I saw this "rad rider" who
looked like he was about to smash into the stairs- but he kept right on going.
This was on 4 times 4 steps. That night I tried it (in the dark...) and found
that it's pretty easy, really. You need good tire pressure, especially up
front. As you near the steps, pop a wheelie at just the right instant (don't
stay on the seat :-( ) and let your momentum carry you up. It takes a couple of
tries to see just what the right instant is- too early, and you plant your
front end on the stairs; too late, ditto.
I found that 4-5 steps was the max- you can't keep your speed up, and forget
about getting good traction.
Useless move... but looks pretty impressive.

Cheers, 
Clem Tillier

ctillier@phoenix.princeton.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King)
Subject: Re: can someone please explain my 18 gears?
Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:05:09 GMT

In article <BRAD.HEDSTROM.92Apr8155908@active.UVic.CA> Brad.Hedstrom@engr.UVic.CA (Brad  Hedstrom) writes:
>I'm somewhat appalled that a bicycle dealer would sell you a bike and
>not run over the basics with you. And your chain falling off? Sounds
>like they didn't spend much time adjusting your drivetrain (and what
>else maybe? the brakes?)
>

I saw a new mountain bike in my company's bicycle garage.  Enough tags were
still on it that i can't imagine that it's ever been ridden after it came from
the store.  

The Schrader valves were askew exactly as if the bike had been ridden flat.
Perhaps the store's employees did exactly that.


It's a Huffy.

-dk
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ad0834@csc.albany.edu (Andy Dickinson)
Subject: Vegetarian seeks biking shoes
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: 6 Apr 92 11:41:01

Hey -

	Ok... weird message title, but basically it describes my
question:  Does anyone know of anyone that makes 100% synthetic
cycling shoes?  It seems like almost all the shoes I've seen have at
least leather uppers or trim... anyone have any leads on where to find
non-leather shoes?

Thanks,

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From: war@maxwell.physics.purdue.edu (Warren D. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Saddle advice sought
Summary: Waveflo race
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:29:42 GMT


Two recommendations:

Waveflo Race.  It's a bit different from a gel saddle in that the liquid
(called flolite if you're interested) deforms into the shape of your 
body, but "remembers" its original shape much more slowly than gel does.
This means that you get much better shock dispersion than with a gel saddle
and I find it much more comfortable.  (-about $45 US)

Flite titanium.   I know it's expensive, and it looks like the ultimate in
self-torture devices, but looks are deceiving.  The beauty is in the 
flexibility.  The extreme cutaway and the titanium rails flex readily, 
absorbing incredible amounts of road shock.  (-like I said- expensive)

Hope this helps you.

						-W-

****************************************************************************
"I'll be back!  You can't keep the Democrats out of the White House forever:
	And when they're in, I'm back on the streets! With all my criminal 
		buddies!!  bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-haa!!!!!!"
							-Sideshow Bob
From: rodney@sundance.math.orst.edu (Rodney James)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: how does one measure seatpost length?
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:38:42 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Oregon State Univ.

In article <1992Apr7.134448.10800@husc3.harvard.edu> kim39@husc8.harvard.edu (John Kim) writes:

   Any suggestions?  I can't get 105SC, 600 or Campy because they
   don't come in 26.8mm. DUra Ace does, but I don't want to
   pay for that.   I can choose from the SR "Tall Cool ONe",
   a Kalloy, or perhaps a Shimano Deore.  

   -Case Kim
   email or posted replies welcome.

I have a Kalloy in that size on my mountain bike (probably 300mm long).
It works fine for me and it was really cheap, about $15, and it's really
not that heavy.  

--

Rodney James (rodney@math.orst.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Advice needed for biking in/near Berkeley, CA
From: mjwilson@amherst.edu
Date: 6 Apr 92 11:13:18 GMT
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA.

In article <rjki4INNkco@agate.berkeley.edu>, mas@sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu (Mason Wong) writes:
> In article <1992Apr2.080013.14662@nmsu.edu> swostal@nmsu.edu (stephen wostal) writes:
>>How is the territory out there in Berkeley?  Is there lots of
>>hills/potholes/gravel/etc.?  Anyone have any recommendations for what
>>type of bike is best suited for urban Berkeley?
> 
> I was born and raised in Berkeley and am in my fourth year at the University.
> While I love Berkeley, the school and the city, I must say,
> the roads SUCK.  No exaggeration.  Potholes, major cracks, rough
> roads, everywhere.  While repairs go on all the time, there's just
> so much widespread damage to all roads in Berkeley, even in the
> nice areas, that a mountain bike is perfect to ride.
> 
> There are plenty of bicyclists with road bikes, but for an entry level
> rider like myself, a mountain bike is ideal for the roads around here.

Good advice, BUT: if your ARE interested in road bikes, don't be scared away.
As Mason says, there are plenty (and more) of road bikes and riders, and
miles upon miles of great road terrain stretching from Berkeley all around
the East Bay, through the hills.  In other words, be aware that is the
potential for much, much more than urban commuting.  That goes for off-road
stuff as well.  Cycling's pretty damn popular here.
 
> ===============================================================================
> Mason Wong
> Space Sciences Laboratory   University of California at Berkeley
> mas@sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu   mcw@ocf.berkeley.edu   128a-1ae@web-1a.berkeley.edu
> ===============================================================================

-michael
 (who got to school just fine for 8 years on a KHS 10-speed and Raleigh 12 :)
From: davis@ee.rochester.edu (Al Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Valve Nuts
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:13:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: ee.1992Apr10.191312.13615
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

In article <1992Apr10.183927.7398@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> madine@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (G. E. Madine, AT&T-BL/AL, cbnewsm.) writes:
>3) When you are pumping up the tire with almost any kind of pump--but
>especially with the hand pumps cyclists most often carry--it is
>easy to break a valve (so I have heard anyway).  Having the valve
>secured in place by the valve nut may help prevent this.  ........

Having the nut securely in place may help CAUSE the valve to break.
If the nut is loose or not there, the rubber will take up for the pump
moving.  If the nut is tight, the valve stem must bend when you don't hold
the pump perfectly still, eventually breaking it off.

How do I know?  I broke off two in one ride before I learned.  My first ride
of any significant distance with cleats.

al.
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:9057 rec.skiing:4155
From: dschmidt@sales.GBA.NYU.EDU (David S. Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Bike&Ski at Tuckermans Ravine
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:09:18 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business


About biking up the Tuckerman's Ravine trail-

I hiked up it a few summers ago, ang it was *extremely*
rocky.  From stones to watermelon-sized rocks.  It was 
tough to walk on, let alone bike on.

I don't know what it's like now though, if it's all
covered in snow it might be bikeable.  But I would have
to guess that at least the bottom of the trail is snow
free.

How are the conditions there in early May?  I was thinking
of trying it out.
From: jdg40@pecan.spa.amdahl.com (Jeff Gee)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Groupo -> Price ~ Quality ?
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:27:03 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation  Sunnyvale, CA

In article <1992Apr15.161533.16324@s1.gov> pcc@s1.gov writes:
>
>Can anyone rank the following (in their opinion) in order of quality,
>consider non STI/ERGopower. The '92 models are what I can get, and the
>other 2 are what I currently have.
>

IMO, there are several ways to rank quality:

Functionality				Durability and Finish
(i.e. does it work, smooth		(polish, bearing quality,
 shifting and braking, etc.)		 longetivity, available parts, etc.)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Shimano Dura-Ace (92)			Campy Record (92)
Campy Record (92)			Campy Super/Nuovo Record
Shimano Ultegra (92)			Shimano Dura-Ace (92)
Campy Chorus (92)			Campy Chorus (92)
Shimano 105 (92)			Campy Athena (92)
Campy Athena (92)			Shimano Ultegra (92)
					Shimano 105 (92)
(in this regard, these two
 are considered obsolete)
Campy Super/Nuovo Record 


If you have the bucks and prefer beauty over performance,
then Record is the way to go.  Otherwise Dura Ace non-STI 
is reasonably priced mail-order and works great.  I have
no experience with either STI/Ergopower.

Disclaimer:  my bike uses a mixture of Chorus/Croce D'Aune parts.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
From: don@island.COM (Don Hermes)
Subject: Re: Car vs Cycle vs Bike vs Ped--The Main Point
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:47:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.144932.5677@unocal.com> stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>In article <1992Apr5.072018.14154@cs.ucla.edu> coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Coleman) writes:
>>I'm not claiming that, say, bicyclists are better about obeying traffic laws
>>than drivers.  Though I doubt it, maybe they are worse.  It's irrelevant.  The
>
>Being both an avid driver and bicyclist I would say driver compliance with
>laws is much higher than bicyclists, I'd say 90% to 25%, especially for basic
>things like observing stop signs, staying on the correct side of the road,
>having night lights on the vehicle.  Non-compliance of bicyclist mainly
>hurts the bicyclist.  They appear in an unexpected place and are hit.  Sad.


Driver Compliance to the 55 MPH speed limit on the freeway seems to be 
about 10%, at least around here. Or are we only talking about laws that
are defined as stupid by the people braking them ?

don
don@island.com
From: dittrich@sal-sun74.usc.edu (MotrinMan)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Why Shave Legs?
Date: 7 Apr 1992 22:34:50 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun74.usc.edu


(Ana von Klopp) writes:
 >
 >(Robert Thralls) writes:
 >
 >
 >>  Most people serious enough to shave their legs are *bi* or tri athletes.
 >>  The shaving of the legs can reduce *drag*.
 >>  
 >Now *I*'d like to know where you got the data on bis and shaving from. 
 >

I figured I'd clarify this before a flame war is started.  When Robert said
"*bis* or tri athletes," he meant "*biathlete* or triathlete."  
At least that's the way I interpreted it.
-- 
 ____________________________________________________________
|Matt Dittrich, a.k.a. MotrinMan| "Strange is your language  |
|        dittrich@usc.edu       |  and I have no decoder..." |
|>>>>>>>>FIGHT ON TROJANS<<<<<<<|           - Peter Gabriel  |
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From: acc23403@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Anthony C.)
Subject: Re: Rec.Bicycles Frequently Asked Questions Posting Part 4/4
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:14:19 GMT

If it is possible, I think that it would be a good idea to put the 
faq ftp site in the description of the news group.  Our news kills
messages after a week so most new people wouldn;t even know where
to look for the faq.
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