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From: chris@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Christian Bartholdsson)
Subject: Re: new order live
Organization: INRIA Sophia Antipolis, France
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 10:34:11 GMT

In article <asuccop.714021745@milton>, asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop) writes:
> 
> 	i was listening to my (commercially bought) new order bbc live
> 	tape, & b/w 'bizarre love triangle' and 'perfect kiss', one of
> 	the boys (barney?) says something like 'thank you... have you
> 	noticed all of our songs end in a big way?  loud noises...
> 	small dicks' & then goes into the next song.
> 
> 	i had never really listened to the tape carefully enough
> 	to notice this before, & was amused.

To me it sounds like "Big songs - Small dicks".

- chris@kuling.docs.uu.se
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From: mus@milton.u.washington.edu (Mustafa Patwa)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Teenage Fanclub question
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:46:54 GMT
Reply-To: mus@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Ok, I have a question for all you Teenage Fanclub fans out there.  I like
Bandwagonesque a lot, but how is A Catholic Education.  Worth getting?
Anybody, Anybody.

BTW I just bought the "What You Do To Me" cd single which has four other
tracks and I hope they aren't the crap they did to get out of their record
contract.  We'll see.

Mustafa	
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From: flamengo@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lourenco William Dantas)
Subject: Re: Talking Heads news!!
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:15:12 GMT

In article <geWSbMK00WDK87cHZE@andrew.cmu.edu> Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I just heard on the radio--the local classic rock station no less!--that
>despite the fact that the Heads said they were through, they will be
>releasing a new album in the Fall!!
>
>.....same as it ever was......
>
>--Vernon.

	Yes, but I believe it will a "best of" kind of deal, something
	like a two disc set called "Popular Favorites", if I have recalled
	correctly.

	LOU (flamengo@wpi.wpi.edu)
From: rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Major Label Music is EVIL!
Date: 20 Aug 92 11:24:11 GMT
	<RJC.92Aug18153027@daiches.cogsci.ed.ac.uk>
	<1992Aug19.201617.3530@colorado.edu>
Organization: Human Communication Research Center
In-reply-to: conroym@news.colorado.edu's message of 19 Aug 92 20:16:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.201617.3530@colorado.edu>, Matthew Conroy (mc) writes:

rjc> So, where does your food come from? Manna from heaven?

mc> I find this response interesting for at least two reasons.  First,
mc> a large part of my food comes from local organic farms who, as far
mc> as i know, do not have huge-corporate ties.  

It was your dislike of profit, not of large corporations I was
responding to. Except for those who are of `independent means' we all
have to make a profit, or get very thin.

mc> I feel that giving my money to such a business, rather than to a
mc> huge-corporation, is beneficial to society.  

So it's ok if they make a profit?

Anyway, there's no difference between a huge corporaion and a small
limited company except for a probable case of rampant beurocracy in
the former. 

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From: rmason@starbird.WPI.EDU (Robert Hutchins Mason)
Subject: Re: FREE TRIBE CONCERT B^) .....WAY COOL!!!!
Keywords: FREE FREE FREE
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 21:20:03 GMT

In article <dchou.713923060@husc8> dchou@husc8.harvard.edu (David Chou) writes:
>...Nonetheless, a great show, with Janet in that black outfit dancing her
>slo-motion dervishes. I'm nearsighted, but from what I could see, she was
>a babe :)  Anyone out there recommend their album "Abort"?  Like I said, 
>I found it hard to concentrate on their music after awhile.  
>
>							-Dave
>

Has anyone else noticed at Tribe shows, that Janet & Terri where the SAME
clothes for every show? I'm serious, I've seen them about 4-5 times this year
and every show, Terri had on that green velour dress, and Janet in the same
black outfit...  Just a side note.

And of course, you should buy the album Dave. :)

BTW people, the new Tribe material sounds great!

-bob
rmason@wpi.wpi.edu
From: Mark.Cornick@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mark Cornick)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: INDIE NET - Debate
Keywords: indie net
Date: 22 Aug 92 18:10:17 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <=x+nc7c@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>
>If you want to create someplace where people don't talk about bands you
>don't want to talk about, you should probably make it a mailing list.
>No matter how convoluted a set of rules you put in a newsgroup's charter,
>people are going to post there based on what it's called in the name, and
>any variation on the word "independent" in the name is going to leave it
>wide open for discussion of all those (ewg!) pop bands you hate.  Hell,
>PWL -- Kylie Minogue and Jason Donovan's label, for Christ's sake -- is
>an indie.  Billy Ocean's on Jive, S'Express and Bomb The Bass on Rhythm
>King . . .
>
Good idea. Or make it a moderated group, like I suggested. Sure, that's
anti-anarchic and thus not terribly cool, but it may be the only way for
the people who really want this (I'm not necessarily one) to be satisfied.


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From: IZZYKL6@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Hagop Janoyan)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Morrissey vs. Smiths
Date: 23 Aug 92 00:53:41 GMT

In article <2A954973.22808@ics.uci.edu>, on 21 Aug 92 19:52:19 GMT,
kkawado@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Kevin Y. Kawado) writes:

>Actually, there are at least four songs that weren't released on albums:
>Jeane, Wonderful Woman, Work is a Four Letter Word and I Keep Mine
>Hidden.  These are b-sides of some singles that never got to albums.
>Jeane and Wonderful Woman can be found on the new "This Charming Man"
>re-release.  Work is a four letter word is a cover, but I don't remember
>who originally did it, and I keep mine hiden, were both on one of the
>last singles the Smiths released, "Stop Me if you think you've heard this
>one before".

I was referring to songs that were _never_ ever released, in any format,
either as a B-side or on an album.  They were just recorded, but for
one reason or another, the public never got to hear it.

Anyways...the first volume of the "Smiths Greatest Hits" is just going
to have songs we all have.  There was a review of it in last week's
NME (or Melody Maker?).  Not the greatest songs, but there is also
going to be a Volume 2.

By the way, Work Is a Four Letter Word was originally done by Cilla
Black, whoever that is!

-Hagop Janoyan
From: jcgoh@hop.Princeton.EDU (Justin C. Goh)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Nirvana and Sonic Youth.. The connection..
Date: 16 Aug 92 22:39:42 GMT
Organization: Princeton University

In article <1992Aug14.213007.11409@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>  
cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) says:
> 
> >
> >In a previous article, cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick) says:
> >
> >>Yup. After _Goo_ sold big, Geffen apparently asked the Youth to recommend
> >
> >Sold big?  220,000 is big?
> >
> well, bigger than any previous Youth LP... bigger than expected,
> anyway...
> 
> mark cornick                 stu_m1cornic@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
>
 
Bigger than any previous SY album, yes.  Bigger than expected, no.
The folks at DGC spent LOTS of money on that album.  It was
originally recorded on 8-track by the youth (that's where all
the "demos" on the EPs come from), but DGC didn't like the way it
sounded.  They paid to have the whole album re-recorded on 24-
track.  They also put out quite a few EPs to support it as well.
My impression from the people at DGC was they expected it to do
much better than it did.  They were thinking gold (500,000).  
They weren't necessarily pissed-off, but they were kind of 
disappointed.

- Justin
jcgoh@phoenix.princeton.edu



        
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From: catcher@netcom.com (Paul W. Francisco)
Subject: Re: the nephilium
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 06:49:28 GMT
Organization: The Vampyre's Lair

In article <1992Aug18.161916.24223@cs.nott.ac.uk> rji@trellis.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram) writes:
>The band are Fields of the NEPHILIM and they have two other albums,
>Elizium and a live double album Earth Inferno. Also two live videos
>and a Promos compilation.

They have at least 2 more albums.  "Laura" and a BBC Radio 1 Live in
Concert.  Both are imports (as is Elizium, for those that don't know).
I just found the live album last week.  It is 29 minutes long and
contains 5 songs from Dawnrazor and Nephilim.  Expensive, since it 
was an import, but I really like it.

-- 
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Paul W. Francisco        	    fills the emptiness inside...
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From: keitha@spider.co.uk (Keith Aitken)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Teenage Fanclub question
Date: 21 Aug 92 08:53:08 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <1992Aug20.234654.25165@u.washington.edu> mus@u.washington.edu writes:
>Ok, I have a question for all you Teenage Fanclub fans out there.  I like
>Bandwagonesque a lot, but how is A Catholic Education.  Worth getting?
>Anybody, Anybody.

Well, in my opinion "A Catholic Education" is an LP that would've made
a great EP. It's a bit patchy, but does have the odd flash of
brilliance ( "Everything Flows", "Different Drum", "A Catholic
Education"). There are however a few tracks which scream "FILLER!!" at
you, for example "Heavy Metal", "Heavy Metal II", "A Catholic
Education II", and are pretty shambolic and half-arsed.
However, I would say that it's still worth getting hold of.

As far as B-sides go, the trouble with the 'Fannies (ahem!) is that
they don't seem to put much effort into a B-side unless it's a cover.
Let's face it, it's a dead giveaway when you call some of your B-sides
and EP tracks "Filler" and "B-Side"! Track down the "Starsign" CD-5
for a great cover version of "Like a Virgin", and the Demo version of
"Starsign".

KDA
-- 
_____________________________________________________________________________
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Spider Systems, Edinburgh, Scotland   | in the bathroom mirror" 
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From: bbeagan@rcsuna.gmr.com (Brian D. Beagan CT/90)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: the the
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:14:11 GMT
Reply-To: bbeagan@cmsa.gmr.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article 18785@ccu.umanitoba.ca, umdenbo0@ccu.umanitoba.ca (David A. Denboer) writes:
>Anyone get ahold of a new the the single yet?
>The album is due within a month, and I havent heard a single yet!>

Yow!  I know I've been out of it lately, but I had no idea that the the was coming out with a new album -- and within a month!!!!!!!!!!!  *ANY* info would be appreciated.

Brian.
From: IZZYKL6@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Morrissey vs. Smiths
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:04:40 GMT

In article <2A9147FE.7547@ics.uci.edu>, on 18 Aug 92 18:57:02 GMT,
kkawado@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Kevin Y. Kawado) writes:

>Well, Morrissey has been infinitely more popular than the Smiths, even
>though some of his music isn't quite at the same standard as it was with
>the Smiths.  I really like his new band; it's the best set-up he's had
>in a LONG time.  Now that they're writing music together, the band shows
>some promise.
>
>

I've always wondered if Morrissey would have become this popular if
it wasn't for his Smiths background.  It just seems to me a lot of
listeners got into Morrissey because of his very popular solo songs,
but then purchased Smiths albums and became attached to Morrissey
because of those songs.

Anyways...it'll be interesting to see what happens to Smiths and
Morrissey after the Smiths stuff is re-released and the Best Of
editions come out.  I still think that the Smiths would have become
a major MAJOR name if they only had a major label backing them up.  Now
they have that...

-Hagop Janoyan
(I can just imagine Girlfriend In a Coma being a BIG Top-40 hit)
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Siouxsie & the Banshee's?
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:21:54 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Aug18.065333.1503@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> gunter@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Gunter Ahrendt) writes:
> Could someone please email me the date that they split?

Well, despite numerous personell changes over the ages, they haven't split.
Their most recent release is a tune on the Batman Returns soundtrack, which
has been reissued in the US as a cassette single and in the UK as a CD with
several additional tracks.

No idea if they have a new album in the works.  Their first few albums were
supposed to be re-issued on CD in the US yesterday, though I haven't gotten
to a record store yet.

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From: John_Maxwell@mindlink.bc.ca (John Maxwell)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Major Label Music is EVIL!
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:15:15 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Perhaps it would be better to look at the whole alternative vs. mainstream
dichotomy the other way around.

If I'm fed up with my local top-40 station, eventually I discover the Sex
Pistols (Dead Kennedys...Husker Du...Sonic Youth...Nirvana...Ministry...whoever
it may be at the time). I discover that there's a whole lot of other people
that are thinking the same thing as me. Thus a scene is born. Eventually, the
money men discover that there's a sizable market in this alternate - ive group.
So they sign these bands because they know they can make money off it.

The result is that you can no longer call said band "alternative" anymore. And
that's all. The label has changed. And there's another more obscure act now
being called the "alternative" and so on and so on.

But the reasons most folks cottoned on to Sonic Youth or whoever in the first
place haven't really changed. Maybe they like the tunes, or they get off on the
absolute value of noise or whatever. Eventually Sonic Youth gets absorbed into
the mainstream and playing guitar with a screwdriver becomes an everday
occurrence.

So if you get pissed off because you see Sonic Youth at K-Mart, or because
every snot-nosed kid on the school bus has a copy of the latest album, well
that's life. But if you write off Sonic Youth because of it, then I don't think
you must have liked the band very much to begin with.

Point is: things are Alternative because they're alternative, and the label
doesn't mean much. If you're only interested in a band because they're
different, then it doesn't matter much what they sound like, does it?

Same thing, I think, with a band's decision to sign the "evil" major label
contract. If they're into making music, and possibly making a living at it,
then I don't see why the contract should ruin the music. I think that if you're
on-the-ball enough to  consider the semantics of "alternative" you can easily
see a qualitative difference between Michael Jackson's corporation and Sonic
Youth's record contract.

On the other side of the coin, if a band makes a statement by refusing the
major-label deal and staying indie, well, more power to them, but that in
itself is not a good enough reason to go see them.

Well, that's what I think anyway. I was a Lollapaloozer this year, and it was
great. Best twenty-five buck concert I've ever been to. And you know what? I
haven't bought any of those bands' albums. Don't need to.
                                                -JMax
                                          -john_maxwell@mindlink.bc.ca
From: drsmith@hamline.edu (jime)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: smiths vs morrissey
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:57:27 GMT
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, Minnesota



yes, indeed the smihts are much better than morrissey is alone. i htink he just
got too big of a head, and was afraid marr was advancing
musically/aesthetically than he was...got scared and split...

yes, without marr, street, rourke and the gang, morrissey is next to
nothing...maybe a little better all right....but he no longer produces music
for aesthetic pleasure, he seems to produce it to get a big cult following. i
htink te split up hurt his feelings very bad, and now, he doesn't seem ot care
what it takes to get people to like him, because marr, once quoted as the
rather _the_ "guitar anti-hero" is still better than him, nad can survive just
as well without morrissey...

i dunno, does anyone know exact scenes of the split up?  (well fuck you marr, i
htink you suck!" type of stuff %-) i am curious to know...

i also heard they were working on a new album together...is this a half-lie!

who cares for flames, for flames are good...as long as people think, we're
doing good!

so there is my bit...smiths are more than morrissey can ever hope to be...and
the morrissey clones that cling to his every word and breath...well, i am
sorry, but you've got a life of your own ot live now, and you won't be 17
forever..or was it fifteen...?  %-) hehehe

%-) lazer awl...don't take life too seriously...it'll come back at ya b'fore ya
know it!


peace

-dans
%-)



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From: Mark.Cornick@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mark Cornick)
Subject: Re: INDIE NET - Debate
Keywords: indie net 
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 08:17:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.210014.2981@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> wilbanks@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Dylan Wilbanks) writes:
>OK, This post is to generate debate over a spin-off group from a.m.a 
>(alt.music.alternative, not the American Medical Association). The 
>hope is that we can get this issue settled, once and for all, whether
>it ends with a new group or not.
>
>Questions:
>1. How should "indie" be defined? The independant labels of the US, 
>the US as well as UK indie labels, or a select group from each? Would 
>local bands from non-major cities (meaning Denver, Phoenix, Omaha, Tulsa 
>vs. The Tri-State Area (NY-NJ-CT), Chicago, LA, or the Bay Area) be included?

"indie" should be defined as "independent of the Big Six (Sony, Warners, MCA,
BMG, Capitol-EMI, Polygram) in the country of original issue." This should
solve the problem of labels like 4AD which have big-time deals here in the
States but are independent elsewhere. (But hmm, Depeche Mode are on an indie
label in the U.K., and we all know the real reason for starting this group is
to not have to read DM/Cure/Smiths posts. We may have to think this out.)

>2. If this group were to be generated, would you read it?
How often? 

Yes. Daily.

>3. Who do you nominate for the admin position? (Mine is for that ever-humble
>whiz-kid from NJ, Mr. Justin G. Goh)

OK.

>4. Finally, What name should it be given? alt.music.alternative.indie, 
>alt.music.indie, rec.music.independant, etc.?

alt.flame.dave.kendall.

BTW, the group _really_ should be moderated, to insure high standards of
quality.

Godspeed.

mark cornick                       stu_m1cornic@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
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From: rob@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Rob Vaughn,302 Thurston Hall,50637,2730428)
Subject: Re: Swirlies new Split 7"
Originator: rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:29:53 GMT

From ben@athena.mit.edu (Ben):

> The tour single can be purchased from Nervous Records, P.O. Box 3443,
> Cambridge MA, 02238 for 6 bucks (which includes postage) or from the 
> above Allston address for an unknown sum (probably also six bucks)

There's also an excellent single on Pop Narcotic records that can be
ordered for $3.50 ppd.

Pop Narcotic
1085 Commonwealth Ave. #339
Boston, MA 02215

> Get them while they're hot.  We can't re-press them because Taang!
> owns the Swirlies' souls.

I'm sure the same goes for this one as well.

Rob
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From: shishka@coos.dartmouth.edu (Rich Yeung)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: WANTED: Morrissey's CD singles
Date: 17 Aug 92 05:29:11 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

if anyone can tell me how i can get the following CD singles, i'd REALLY
appreciate it! i understand they are probably out of print by now but you
never know...
-Suedehead
-Everyday Is Like Sunday
-The Last of the Int'l Playboys
-Interesting Drug
-Piccadilly Palare
-Pregnant for the Last Time

thanks!
-r.  




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From: tabn3@isuvax.iastate.edu (Griffy)
Subject: Re: Lolla2
Reply-To: tabn3@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:32:29 GMT

In article <seaverw.8.0@columbia.dsu.edu>, seaverw@columbia.dsu.edu (W. A. Seaver) writes:
>Does anyone have info on Lollapalooza II ticket availability for Aug 28 in 
>Minneapolis? Horrible, evil, bad, naughty rumors about that nothing is to be 
>had by hook or by crook. Can anyone out there help out?
 
   Well, from what I know there are thousands of tickets left because someone
screwed up when they made the tour schedule list and forgot to include the
St. Paul (not Minneapolis) show.  Therefore, the show's hardly gotten any
publicity and has not sold well at all.  I even heard rumors that they might
cancel the date altogether.

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From: zappia@usops.enet.dec.com (Jim Zappia)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: U2 opening act??
Date: 3 Aug 92 19:12:03 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <MeTInpq00Uh7E2TEgn@andrew.cmu.edu>, John Ambroziak <ja2c+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes...
>Has anyone heard who is opening for U2 on their upcoming stadium tour?
> 
	I thought I heard the Smashing Pumpkins but I've been wrong at least
	once before!

	- Jim
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