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From: patrickd@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lazer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9?
Date: 28 Jan 93 22:15:02 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1993Jan28.130632.39558@watson.ibm.com> kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>In article <C1Jo4I.ACA@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>|> Look, shouldn't we decide on this?
>|> Sure, the show calls it Deep Space Nine, not 9, but
>|> isn't DS9 easier to remember?
>|> 
>|> Do we end up voting for the acronym?
>
>what's the difference? If you care about what's official, then maybe
>there's a difference.  But no matter if someone uses DSN or DS9, I know
>what they mean, don't you?

Well, I've heard Sisko call it D-S-Nine (DS9) twice.  He DIDN'T call it DSN.
So I say, go with DS9...
 
Not like it will kill us.  Then again...people are upset that they lose 30
seconds to a Deep Space Nine promo...GEESH!  Relax!

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From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: English as Earth's standard language in the 24th
Date: 24 Jan 93 21:14:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan24.161439.19751
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1993Jan24.074334.4145@Princeton.EDU> hjanberg@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Hans-nicolas Kenneth Janberg) writes:
>Somebody mentioned that English was supposed to be the standard language
>in the 24th century (on Earth at least).
>Several facts actually work against that:
>- Picard is a fluent French native and he speaks that language with his
>family and French friends (at least that's what it's supposed to be
>though the writers don't know enough French to actually do that, I
>guess)
>- Chekov is obviously a Russian native and Sulu a Japanese.

I thought Sulu was an Asian-American, from San Francisco (Star Trek IV)...

>Since there
>is only a generation of time difference I doubt that English has taken
>over that fast. Why shouldn't these languages not exist anymore a
>generation later?

I agree, I just think English is a lingua franca.

>- Considering the Prime Directive as Starfleet's main rule and probably
>also in essence a rule of the UFP and probably Earth's policies in the
>future it would suggest that the culture and language of "minorities"
>would be supported and their surviving more or less guaranteed.

Guaranteed, yes, but I think that there would be a gradual 
unification of the planet's cultures once world government
came along.  That's why we rarely see alien worlds with more
than one indigenous culture, IMHO.

>Considering that French, Russian and Japanese are somewhat proud and
>obnoxious about their country's language it is very well possible that
>the languages are still used and will not die soon.
>(In fact, it is one of the EC's policies to keep up all languages in
>Europe -- an example to what Earth's future policies might look like)
>It is understandable, though, that English might be used as standard
>language to communicate between nations on Earth and in the UFP. I would
>think that most of Earth's population might be bilingual then, and could
>therefore speak two languages fluently and rather accent-free.

Yep.

(Being
>accent-free is quite possible, just to contradict that person who wrote
>it wasn't)

Yes, but you generally have to be exposed to the language at a 
young age or else live 24 hours a day where it is spoken.

>But that seems to contradict Chekov's heavy Russian accent...

My theory is that English is very common in most places on 24th
century Earth, and that it is spoken nearly as much as indigenous
langugaes.  Probably Chekhov is from a rural part of Russian
(and therefore always looks up at Leningrad, er, Petersburg :))
and did not get exposed to English very much when he was young,
only through telescreens and such.  BTW, I think that with
universal translators, aliens must not hear any accent in 
Chekhov's rendition of their language.
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From: wools@athena.mit.edu (Aaron M Woolsey)
Subject: IMHO
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:31:17 GMT


	o.k, maybe i'm an idiot, but WHAT THE HELL DOES 'IMHO' MEAN ??????????????
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

						-Aaron Woolsey

						 wools@athena.mit.edu

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From: johnnyp@HALDI.LCS.MIT.EDU (Johnny Piscitello)
Subject: Re: The Alien in STAR TREK XXXX
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:17:43 GMT

In article <25JAN199309013989@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca> villard@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca (EXCUSE ME????) writes:
>
>How come almost every single alien on the Star Trek series are 
>humanoid.  What makes anyone think that every single life form in the 
>universe has to be a variation of the humanoid form. 

	Well, here's a partial list of non-humanoid lifeforms on TNG:

	- The Crystalline Entity from "Datalore" and "Silicon Avatar"
	- "Galaxy's Child" creature that thought the Enterpise was it's mother
	- The creatures that overtook O'Brien, Troi, and Data in "Power Play"
	- The entity from "Imaginary Friend"
	- Q (he only <appears> as human, he is anything he wishes to be)
	- The Farpoint Station lifeform from "Encounter at Farpoint"
	- The gaseous creatures that wanted revenge on Q from "Deja Q"
	- The Exocomps from "The Quality of Life"
	- The Nanites from "Evolution"
	- The silicon creatures from "Home Soil"

	Others, folks?

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From: mathew@unixg.ubc.ca (Mathew Englander)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Stewart's/Picard's accent
Date: 23 Jan 1993 01:45:50 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In article <C17u3y.Gos@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu writes:
>
>I believe this is yet another case of American TV shows catering to
>American ignorance and American subtitle prejudice.  I would bet that
>most Americans can't place the accents of most people they hear.

I think Picard's accent is supposed to be British. What I understood
from the "Picard goes home" episode was that all Earth now speaks
the English language, and presumably Europeans speak it with a British
accent.

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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: Paramount Press Release - DS9 - #405: Babel (*spoilers*)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 20:48:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

Spoilers Ho! (Only because it hasn't aired in most of NA yet)

In article <1j9s82INNfo9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley) writes:
>Between the title "Babel" and the reference in the cast list to
>an "aphasia victim", it sounds like the disease on board DS9
>involves people losing the ability to communicate by language
>-- that's what "aphasia" means, more or less, and of course
>"Babel"refers to the Bible story in which God causes everyone
>to speak different languages making them unable to understand
>each other.  Could be an interesting story concept.

In Starlog's new DS9 magazine, Volume 1, it gives interviews with
cast and crew on set while filmin Babel. O'Brien is the first
(major) character on the station hit with a virus that causes him
to babble incoherently, at least in the later stages. 

My impressions:

On first glance, an idiotic idea.

On second glance, a much more plausable disease than many seen on
Trek. The disease progresses slowly. O'Brien doesn't notice at
first, and he plays it straight... it should be a fun show to
watch. I'm looking forward to it. :)

Joshua
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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: DSN Deep Sixed?
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:57:18 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <gpotts-250193145317@fp1-psych-coglab-17.uoregon.edu> gpotts@hebb.uoregon.edu writes:
>Help!!  Someone out there has started a nasty rumor that DSN is soon to be
>deep sixed.  Two possible reasons why have been postulated.  1) This allows
>the powers that be to withhold all remaining episodes to be shown only at
>conventions for lots of dinero to those who are prone to addictive
>personalities and will flock like sheep to pay to see what happens to Garek
>and the dear Dr.  2)  This allows the powers that be to put the remaining
>episodes on video tape to be released through video stores, again, for
>boodles of bucks.  PLEASE!! Say it isn't so!!!!  I still haven't recovered
>from the shock of losing Max Headroom!
>
Get a grip on yourself.. there is no way they could make more money doing
either of those two things than showing it on TV.  In many markets, DS9 is
beating the competition.  Dallas/Fort Worth shows it twice a week, and it
is consistently coming in 2nd at both slots (I forget behind what, but it's
on Tuesday at 7 and Saturday at 8).


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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: TNG's FUNNIEST MOMENTS
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:47:52 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

Let's not forget Worf's great one liners over the years.. including my favorite
from "The Survivors":

"Good tea.  Nice house."  Then he proceeds to take a sip from the teacup with
his little finger properly extended.

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From: hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Keiko & Molly (was DS9 rumor *SPOILER*)
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:06:02 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1993Jan27.233850.11853@ncar.ucar.edu>, marcia@rap.ucar.edu (Marcia Politovich) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan27.192009.9020@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> johnnyp@HALDI.LCS.MIT.EDU (Johnny Piscitello) writes:
|> >In article <rawdon.728159736@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
|> >>In <C1G479.Ltw@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
|> >>>In article <9301260356.AA26742@pserv.CFSMO.Honeywell.COM>, ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com (Otto Heuer #3) writes...
|> >>>>I can't say I'd grieve in the least if they decided to toast Molly, Kira,
|> >>>>and Keiko in one fell swoop.  All the rest of the characters are close to 
|> >>>>perfect!
|> >>
|>  etc......
|> >
|> >	Now I will open myself up to being flamed:
|> >
|> >	"I think characters like Keiko and Molly offend many Trekkers because 
|> >they are generally offended by non-action, interpersonal types of stories. 
|> >They brand it as 'soap-opera'. Especially with the number of males populating 
|> >this newsgroup, it is no surprise that the Keiko storyline, intended by
|> >the producers to appeal to the female part of the audience, is getting dissed 
|> >by this newsgroup."
|> >
|>  Well, I have to jump in here - no, not to flame you either. 
|>  I did not particularly like the Keiko schoolmarm storyline, `
|>  it was too much the "little woman tagging around with hubby
|>  has nothing to do so she naturally goes to her female nurturing
|>  instincts and decides to teach children" story. All this even 
|>  though she admitted she had never done this before. Sure, she
|>  is probably capable and all. But as her husband said in their
|>  argument - there is a lot she could contribute as a biologist, 
|>  which is her background. In the 21st or whatever century are we
|>  women still doing the supportive-wife-leaves-her-
|>  education-and-training-behind thing? Come on, writers, get
|>  a clue. Why not have her collect biological samples from the
|>  other side of the wormhole, organize an expedition to do so, 
|>  etc...? (yes, I *know* why)  
|> 
|>  So, I guess I have to say no, that storyline did not appeal to 
|>  *this* female part of the audience. Maybe is has something to 
|>  do with the fact that I'm a scientist myself...
|> 
|>  And so, now I suppose I am also the new flame-bait! Ah, well!


 My wife's with ya Marcia!!  She said "SSSSSS" before I could when
 Keiko announced her idea of opening a school.


 TRAVIS
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From: exodus@IASTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: Kira and her scale on the babe-o-meter
Reply-To: exodus@IASTATE.EDUIn article <1993Jan21.124432.10382@Virginia.EDU>, qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 04:46:34 GMT

> 
> 	For what it's worth, I think Kira is a lot more
> attractive than Dax.  For starters, I dislike the way Dax's
> hair is pulled straight back.  It makes her head look huge!
> Although Dax *is* nice to look at, she simply looks to much
> like a model for my tastes.  Incidentally, I liked Kira's first
> hair style, as opposed to this really short one.  On a scale
> from 1 to 10, I would rate them:
> 
> Kira:	10
> Ro:	9.8
> Crusher 9.5
> Troi:	9.4
> Dax:	8.5
> 					-Quinn




 Ro 9.8? Are you kidding me? The woman is tall enough
to play for the Lakers! Ewwwwwwww

 Crusher 9.5? You are sick. What are you, into grannyphilia?
She's an old, yucky lady with a bad dye job and big hips. Ewwwww
Besides, you twink, she's the one who spawned the greatest evil
yet known to the Startrek universe, the dreaded wonder boy Wesley.
Die Wesley! DIE! DIE! DIE! (had to get that out of my system)

 Troi 9.4? That is sick. That woman couldn't be a 9.4 even if
she could keep off the weight. Ewwwwwww

 Dax 8.5? Hmmmm......ok, I'll grant you that one. Just rub off
that icky make-up running down her neck.



KKKKKKKKKKKKKKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


IS

at _least_ a 10, possibly more (if that is physically possible)

she's magically babe-licious
she's a robo-babe
if she were a constellation, she'd be babius majorus
if she were a president, she'd be babraham lincoln
she's the queen of babe-ylonia
in France, she'd be called le renaud, and be hunted with
only her cunning to protect her

yeah, you get the picture
From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TNG's FUNNIEST MOMENTS
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:47:00 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Wesley Bielinski <U53734@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>I enjoyed the moment when Riker and Troi enter Barclay's holodeck
>program and found Troi as the Goddess of Love (or something like that).
>Great Scene :-)

Ah yes.
I believe it was somethign like:

"Healthy fantasy life, wouldn't you say?"

Data's laughing at the end of True Q (I think.  Trying to remember Q
episode titles are almost as bad as trying to remember Remmington Steele
ones!!!) still kills me.


LJC

-- 
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tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu   * endure when mere facts are dust, and ashes, and
Disclaimer - huh?       * forgot.      -Dream of the Endless (and Neil G.)
LJC of the Net.Trenchcoat.brigade (Hi Elmo ;)
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From: Roger.Breece@launchpad.unc.edu (Roger Breece)
Subject: Re: STTNG Video Club
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:35:42 GMT


In response to Tim Reed's original post about his beginning to
receive STTNG videos from Columbia House, his question was
would he receive the videos in the order they were broadcast?

The answer is yes based on my experience and like the post from
Greg Pallenik I am about halfway through the second season myself.

FYI to interested people, there are two episodes per video and
you receive one a month. I have not contacted Columbia House
to see if I could speed up the process-like getting two videos
a month. The reason I haven't is because $24.07 per video
which includes s&h is rather pricey even to a Trekker like
myself. I hate to think of the money I'm going to spend as
I need the videos through the middle of the fourth season.
That's when I woke up and recorded each episode never to
be erased. Sometimes I amaze myself.

The videos do come in a "Collector's Edition" box and the
quality of the videos are very good regarding audio and 
visual characteristics. They are laid down on VHS, of
course, in SP or fast speed.

Finally, I called my local Blockbuster Video store and they
said they could get STTNG videos and the price varied
from $14.95 to $19.95 plus tax. They didn't know if there
were one episode per tape or two. I'll have to do some
looking into this to see what the deal is. Thanks to
Bob Hearn for clueing us into this fact.

Roger Breece
Sverdrup Technology - Huntsville, AL.


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From: mcohen@ravel.udel.edu (Michael Roger Cohen)
Subject: Re: TNG's FUNNIEST MOMENTS
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:25:08 GMT

My favorite was from Q-pid when worf was complaing of being part of Robin Hood's
group.

Worf: I protest!! I am not a merry man!!!

It's great!!
From: pdbain@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Ship in a Bottle:  One of the BEST!
Keywords: Trek, star, Ship, Bottle
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:01:19 GMT
Reply-To: pdbain
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Florida  (ufl.edu)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
 Definite Spoilers ahead concerning the most recent TNG episode, "Ship in a















	Ship in a Bottle marks the return of great TNG!  This episode had more going
for it than any previous trek episode:
	1.  It was linked to a previous episode ("Elementary, My Dear Data"
	    from the second season with Dr. Pulaski);
	2.  It was linked to Barclay's episode, "Hollow Pursuits";
	3.  It had a great story, that could have stood on its own two feet
	    regardless of its added depth by being linked to the previous
	    episodes);
	4.  The acting was excellent; and
	5.  It had an unpredictable ending!

	I don't want to go into the intricacies of the episode (e.g., I loved it when
so-and-so did this-and-that to with the thingamajig), but I will simply say
that this ranks up there with "Yesterday's Enterprise" as being undisputable
science fiction and with "Inner Light" as being a great plot and great 
acting.  While Ship in a Bottle does not have the devastation that the
Best of Both Worlds I and II had, it is still better in ways that the episodes
are unalike.

	After being so disappointed with the season so far, Ship in a Bottle
makes up for everything.

Paul in Gainesville
From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Alien in STAR TREK XXXX
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:11:43 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <106471@netnews.upenn.edu> liangh@polka.seas.upenn.edu (Henry "Big Hank" Liang) writes:
>
>Despite the also-obvious fact that it's a lot easier to do humanoids from a
>makeup/special effects standpoint, there's this biological phenomenon that
>similar environments tend to produce similar lifeforms.
>
>For example, although whales and dolphins are mammals, they look a lot like
>fish, since the physiology of fish is best-adapted for survival in a 
>waterborne environment.  

This is a fallciuos argument, although it is one espoused by Spock in
a TOS episode. There is a multitude of waterborne life that look
nothing like an archetypical fish. The reason why whales and dolphins
look like fish is from evolution (they all share a common ancestory)
rather than adapting to their environment in a similar way.

In fact I've heard an evolution biologist say that if you would allow
life to evolve again on earth, it would take on a different form than
it presently has, i.e. similar planets won't evolve humanoid life.

It's better to refer to the `Preservers' theory mentioned in `This
Side of Paradise'.


On a side note, this discussion belongs in .misc (or perhaps .tech).
.current seems to be the default for 90% of this type of discussion,
another reason why there should be no split.  


-- 
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Boston Univerity		                                  Hanscom AFB
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From: bdsmith@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brandon D Smith)
Subject: Re: DS9: Bajorans use Macintoshes!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: us
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:43:02 GMT

In article <C17wCD.2nB@cup.hp.com> jem@cup.hp.com (Jim McCauley) writes:
>William L Moore (wlm10@cd.amdahl.com) wrote:
>: I watched "Past Prologue" again last night.  In a brief scene, Kira 
>: is reading a "Bajoran Intelligence Net" file on a computer screen.  
>: We can clearly see that the screen font is . . . Chicago!  The 
>: default system font on the Macintosh!  (I typed the same text on a 
>: Mac and compared.  No doubt about it.)
>
>Unless the computer equipment and its system software (like much of
>the DS9 station) are Cardassian leftovers.  Apple's marketing and
>sales staff would work well with Cardassians... actually, they
>probably _are_ Cardassians.
>
>: This raises a multitude of questions about the computer of choice in
>: the 24th century.  I'll betcha Klingons use PCs.
>
>Whereas the main computer systems on Federation starships are supplied
>by Hewlett-Packard -- except for that flakey and troublesome holodeck
>subsystem, which is from Sun, of course :)
>
>Jim McCauley, Learning Products Engineer    **   I do not speak for   **
>(that means that I write documentation)     ** Hewlett-Packard in any **
>jem@cup.hp.com                              **   official capacity.   **
>
>




BTW, I read in the technical manual that the Enterprises displays are designed 
on a MACINTOSH.