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From: andy@b30.ingr.com (Andrew Brezinski)
Subject: Re: chevy pickups going kaboom like a pinto
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:08:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.231205.17769@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> alan@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Alan S. Mazer) writes:
>According to the TV program, only 27 people are known to have died in 
>accidents related to the Pinto problem.  Over 300 are thought to have died
>from the pickups.  This problem is apparently much worse than the Pinto one.
>-- 
> 
>-- Alan                        # Mountain Dew and doughnuts...
>   ..!ames!elroy!alan          # because breakfast is the most important meal
>   alan@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov     # of the day.

Yeah, but then we have to ask the question of how many of each vehicle were
produced and how many of each are left.  You'd think 27 people would be a
low number to cause the kind of reputation the Pinto now maintains.  Even
thirteen years out of production, I still hear people asking my if I fear
for my life whenever I drive mine (yes, I have a Pinto, but it's an '80, 
and not the "gas-can-on-wheels" that my girlfriend calls it).

Back to my point, though.  Don't you think that there have been ten times
as many Chevy Pick Ups sold in 15 years as there were Pintos sold in it's
first four years of production?

Just though fodder.

Andy Brezinski
Intergraph Corporation
Huntsville, AL 35894-0001

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best...in snow
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 21:38:03 GMT

In article 19633@i88.isc.com, dye@i88.isc.com (Ken R. Dye ) writes:

>	Some "high performance" vehicles may be giving RWD a bad
>rap on winter handling simply because of the fact that the owners
>keep the ultra-high performance tires on all season (I've been guilty
>of this myself...white knuckling in a Firebird Formula with 245/50
>gatorbacks on 16x8 wheels!).  Camaros, Mustangs, Supras, etc.  all
>SUCK with their all-out dry weather tires, but with a simple switch
>to a taller, skinnier, bad-weather tire can be made into great 
>bad-weather cars.
>
>--Ken
>
   
So, I'm not the only one who tried to get away without snows in one
of these cars...I also have 245/50/16's and the first winter in my
formula was wicked. No matter how lightly I stepped, I did doughnuts.

I did the same thing as Ken, here, and I never got stuck in winter
since. Besides, it saves wear on the gatorbacks which cost a couple 
of items of your anatomy to replace.

Andy.

PLEASE EXCUSE MY OBVIOUS IGNORANCE.
From: summ50@cse.unl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:29:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: unlinfo.1992Sep29.212904.4848
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln


	Oh yeah, forgot the entire Jaguar line.....


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From: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Subject: Re: Pontiac Fiero problems?
Keywords: Fiero, problems
Reply-To: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:25:50 GMT

In article <Bvo2xF.Lss@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>, orscholz@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Oliver Scholz (Turo - Backstage)) writes:
|> So, you had the very first model... *every* new model has problems. Just
|> look at VW's new rabbit. You'd think that after 10 years of making rabbits
|> they'd get them right? If you're over 5ft you can't sit in the passenger's
|> seat, unless you put the seat in a position that makes it unable for someone
|> else to sit behind you...

Some have problems, they do not fall apart.  The car I bought after the demise
of the fore mentioned crap was a Scirroco, and I (6'3") could sit in the front
with someone else my size in the passenger seat and my girlfriend (5'3") could
sit in the back with her friend, no problem.  Don't know about rabbits...

|> What is a 'low impact collision'? All I know is that on my rabbit I have lots
|> of dents caused by 'reckless parkers' here in the University, while the Fiero
|> has *none*. And aren't you lucky you can replace the body panels easily?
|> If you get a dent on a regular fender for example, labor cost for assembly
|> and disassembly can easily be higher than the new fender itself...

'Low Impact' == < 20 mph.  BTW, those panels for the Fiero cost $300 a piece so
I didn't feel luckly at all.  It would have been much cheaper just to bang out
the dents and repaint.

|> This it really not Ok! But blame your dealer/repair shop and don't generalize...

It was two dealers, and YES I do blame GM; their dealers represent them (I also
wrote a letter to their head office and they basically told me to piss off).  It
will take a loader gun to my head to get me to buy a GM again.

|> >recomend staying as far away from Pointiac, and Fieros as possible.  GM stopped
|> Well, the name is Pontiac... :-)

Same crap! :):):)

|> >selling them because they were crap, didn't hold their value (I paid $15,000 for
|> Well, prices drop on used cars, and remember, the early models did have
|> their problems! No doubt about it!

That car lost 70% of it's value in under 3 years; not even K-Cars are that bad.

|> >Total, unbelievable CRAP!
|> Well, that's your opinion...
|> I'd just say,keep your hands off new models, wait at least one year before
|> buying a new model, that way most major bugs should be fixed...

Especially if you are buying GM!  Over 60 years of building cars and they still 
can't get it right!

Don Clayton
a.k.a. Rear-Adm. Maverick, DM of the Drow
My brain, my thoughts, my words.
If I had a million dollars, I'd buy you a K-car (a nice reliant automobile),
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Castrol Syntec???
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:17:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvI58L.MLs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


In article <1ageagINN5v4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) writes:
>
>   I was curious about those new ads for that Castrol Syntec oil, so I picked
>up a pamplet on it. This is a synthetic oil with no PTFE (Slick 5) in it, but
>it does use a charged (-) formula which sticks to the positive (+) charge of
>the internal engine parts. Looks good on paper. It is said to keep a thin
>film of oil on your engine for startups this way. Also, because of it's
>synthetic base, it offers "the best" protection on the market.

I don't know about anyone else, but I've noticed a MARKED increase in
"Slick-50-like" products being advertised. There's the original
Slick-50, there's something made by STP, there's another one called
T-something (the ad makes a point of saying "the 'T' stands for
'Teflon'!") and of course the Castrol ads with the siezing engines.

I think I'm going to wait a few years for the true results of using
these sorts of products becomes widely known. In the meantime, its 2500
mile oil change intervals and nice, gentile startups. ;-)
From: garr@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (guido.a.rijo)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 280Z restoration
Keywords: 280Z, restoration, club
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:59:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

I got a 76 Datsun 280Z that has not been started in ~5 years.
The car was in excellent running condition before it was 
garage and never started.

I need help/advice on what to do before I attemp to start
the engine. It only has 36,000 miles, original everything.
The underbody is rustproofed, Didn't early Zs have a reputation
for rusting?.

I'll appreciate information on:
1) Zs clubs, mailing list.
2) Books about Zs restoration, and repair.
3) Establish contact with people that have done restoration.
4) Salvage shops that specialize on Zs parts.

If I remember correctly, not too long ago there was a posting
about someone in Texas that completely restored a 240Z and
wrote a detailed article on What to do, and How to do it.

Thanks,
Guido A. Rijo
gar@mozart.att.com
(908)580-8069
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: good sports cars?!?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 05:21:25 GMT

In article <25616@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) writes:
>>>hmm most good sports cars are RWD..
>>>mustang, firebird *i think* camaro, vette, etc..
>I would say more along the lines of Porsche 911, 930, 959; Lambourghini,
>Ferarri, and perhaps an American contender in the Vector. I'm with-holding
>an opinion on the Viper, not having seen enough info about it.
>
>Vette? If you think a sports car should have luxury items in it. (Sports
>coupe would be better.)

last time i looked you could get a whole load of options in your 911.
a car with sports car performance doesn't have to be spartan or painful.
the acura NSX strikes me as a pretty good example.
i recall some top speed tests where a bunch of foreign exotics arrived
by trailer.  the callaway twin turbo corvette arrived under its own
power, driven all the way from connecticut, ran through the tests, and
was driven back home.

maybe at one time you needed to go the stripper route to get high performance.
these days i figure you can have your cake and eat it too.

-teddy
p.s. no arguing about what a sports car is, ok?
Xref: sparky rec.autos:23364 rec.autos.tech:13583
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Monday, 5 Oct 1992 21:25:10 EDT
From: John Foster <32HNBAK@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject:    Jeep charcoal filter--Works how???

I have a 1977 CJ-5 Levi's Jeep and a 1980 CJ-5, both of which have
those charcoal filters and both of which are disconnected.  I'd like
to reconnect them but am only kind of sure how to do it.

There are three lines on the filter:  I think two should be from the tank
(one being from the turn-over device and the other being the one that's
right next to the main gas line on the tank) and the other is the purge
line that goes to the air filter, from where the filter can suck in any
gas vapor.  This is what I THINK it should be:  please correct me if
I'm wrong or totally screwed up.

Does a line go directly to the carb?  Some manuals say so but I can't
find where it should go.  They say it should go to the float bowl or
something like that, but I don't see any obvious inlets on the carb
for one!

Any help would be appreciated, so would any mention of places to order
Jeep parts.  I'm looking for some Jeep seats for my Levi's Jeep, and
some other odds and ends.  I have the number to a company called ACME
but any other places would be great, too.

Thanks,

John


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 01:06:47 GMT

In article 718392987@ace.acadiau.ca, 891078p@ace.acadiau.ca (Trevor Perkins) writes:

(LOTSA CRAP DELETED)

>>About a week ago, I said that this was a subjective can of worms: For you,
>>FWD is easier to control because you probably learned winter driving with
>>it. For me, RWD is easier to control because FWD was not too popular
>>when I started driving. Ah, those were the days, when cars were real cars,
>>big, powerful, and heavy!
>          Great Summer cars !!  ( salt hurts ! )

Even better winter cars! They took longer to rust away with the salt because
there was more car:=\ IMHO the best is to have a really heavy car on the white
stuff. I used to drive Monte Carlos before they got small and toylike.

For me, the ultimate winter beater is a '67 Cadillac Fleetwood stretch
limo or an old hearse. Too bad you can't buy them for private use
anymore. Another solution is to move to Vancouver Island, like I did.
Almost no snow here, and no salt either. I saw an immaculate '66 buick
today and talked to the original owner. "It's my car, it never broke,
guess I'll keep it another 26 years," he said.

>-CTP
>  =======================================================================
>  |                 " Have You Driven A FORD Lately ! "                 |

I've seen the new FORD LATELY advertised for a number of years. Why have't
I seen any of them on the road?

>  |---------------------------------------------------------------------|
>  |   C. Trevor Perkins                       891078p@ace.acadiau.ca.   |
>  |         Acadia University                                           |
>  |            Wolfville, Nova Scotia    CANADA                         |
>  |---------------------------------------------------------------------|
>  |   " This is FORD country ...                                        |
>  |               on a quiet night, you can hear a Chevy rust !! "      |

As long as your ford is really far away. Found On Road Dead, Fix Or Repair
Daily, Fired Out Road Devil, etc...
>  =======================================================================

Andy.

I'd still rather push a Pontiac than ride in a Mercury!!
From: Vincent@garnet (Vincent Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Wanted:Dinan Chip or Info for Integra
Followup-To: rec.autos
Date: 1 Oct 1992 04:11:12 GMT
Organization: WSSG
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tmf2mac20.berkeley.edu

Does naybody know how much the Dinan chip will cost? How many horsepower it
will deliver? Will it burnout the engine? Will it pass smog? Is it easy to
replace? How much does it cost and where can I buy it? Does anyone have one
used that theu want to sell?
Post here or call 510841-4942
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: HP and FWD vs RWD (was Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.)
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:16:56 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Oct1.141129.520@viewlogic.com> brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg) writes:
>
>The new Cadillac Allante with the Northstar V8 has (I think) 280 HP going 
>into the front wheels, and it seems the handling is quite respectable.
>But as HP and torque go up, so do the difficulties with applying it to
>wheels that have a variable angle with respect to the power vector. 

   290 or 295 depending on whose numbers you believe.  

   The Allante and the Seville STS both torque steer like a pig if
   you stand on it.   

   However, if any of you RWD bigots happen to have one that you
   simply can't tolerate anymore and want to unload at a distress
   price.... >:-)
From: howard@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Howard Lem)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Wanna be disgusted?
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:40:23 GMT
Organization: UTCS Public Access

In article <1992Sep28.184146.17028@hubcap.clemson.edu> jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght) writes:
>g_stofko@kau100.enet.dec.com (George Stofko) writes:
>
>
>>-In article <1992Sep28.123020.28685@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, seymour@bnr.ca 
>>|>(Jeffrey Seymour) writes:
>>|>Those of us in Canada have been getting reamed with taxes lately- 
>>|>especially if you reside in Ontario.  Starting October 1st Ontario 
>>|>is not going to believe you when you try to get a second hand car registered - 
>>|>with respect to the purchase price.  On this date new legislation goes into 
>>|>affect whereby the tax paid on licencing will be computed on the sales 
>>|>agreement price or a value in some bullshit book -which ever is more.  
>
>Does this mean if you are given a car as a gift you have to pay some
>sort of sales tax on it?  I was given a car and had quite an argument
>convincing my local DMV that it was given to me as a gift as opposed to
>me purchasing it when I tried to register it. 
>
>Jim 

The NDP government wants purchasers of Used Vehicles to pay the taxes on the
RED-BOOK value of the car.  Seems they don't care that you actually
got a real good deal from a friend.  Just another tax grab to pay for all the
Socialist policies they want to impliment.

If this continues, all my wages will to taxes!  

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: yogi@coombs.anu.edu.au (Michael Hanslip)
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date:  4 Oct 92 10:58:08 GMT

stuart@ee.fit.edu (William Stuart) writes:

[stuff deleted...]

>  Somebody may correct me, but I cannot think of one Ultra-high performance
>  car that is not RWD.  STOCK, that is.  Or street prepared (SCCA definition)
>  I would arbitrarily classify Ultra-high performance as 0-60 in sub 6 sec,
>  1/4 mi. in sub 15 sec.  High slalom speeds too.

>  BTW, Interesting that the Daytona (right?) had to be converted to RWD for
>  the IROC races... ( Flame OFF, please ;-)

> - Bill

>	stuart@ee.fit.edu
On the other hand...the last 2wd rally car that could even hope to be called
competitive against the 4wd boys was FRONT WHEEL DRIVE! I have owned 3 cars,
all Rear wheel drive and I really dislike FWD, but my next rally car will
be FWD (since I don't think I can afford 4WD/turbo power). Still, I bet I'd
have more fun if I stuck with a 1980 RX-7 and a bridge ported 13B! :-)

Michael Hanslip
yogi@coombs.anu.edu.au

--
Michael Hanslip
yogi@coombs.anu.edu.au  -  mdh410@csc.anu.edu.au
From: sully@genrad.com (Mark Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: tips on buying used TAURUS
Keywords: taurus, used
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:14:35 GMT
Organization: GenRad, Inc.



in a few months i intend on buying a used 1986,87 TAURUS. does anyone out there
have any suggestions on things to be aware of ??  how many miles does one 
expect to get out of motor & trans. ??  noises indicting "early life failures" ??		

thanks in advance,	mark sullivan 	sully@genrad.com
Xref: sparky rec.autos:23066 rec.autos.driving:5771 rec.autos.sport:10741 rec.autos.tech:13332
From: damong@wpi.WPI.EDU (Damon Francis Gentile)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Wanted: FIAT stuff !
Date: 30 Sep 1992 23:39:18 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
	      Obsessive Fiat owners anonymous
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
Summary: seeking parts for FIAT restoration.
Keywords: autos, cars, fiat, italian


	WANTED: Just about anything FIAT. Especially looking for

	1995cc engine.... I'd love a turbo unit, too. Also 

	seeking 2 sets of bumpers from 1975-6 X1/9. I might die

	on the spot if I heard of anyplace (anyone) that I

	could get body panels from.... feel free to kill 

	me by that method !
					Thanks in advance,
					    Damon
	please e-mail responses to :    damong@wpi.wpi.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: karun@faline.bellcore.com (N. Karunanithi)
Subject: Need opinion on 1993 toyota corolla.
Reply-To: karun@faline.bellcore.com (N. Karunanithi)
Organization: Bellcore MRE
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 15:54:49 GMT

I posted a request for your opinion on buying 1993 Toyota Corrolla
DX with Auto, ABS, Cassette and Air Conditioner. I have not heard
any response yet. I would like to know:

 1) What is considered to be a reasonable price?

 2) What is the invoice price?

 3) How much one should pay above 1992 model?
    ( Note: According to the Consumer Report, the invoice price for 
    the 1992 model is $10,523 after adding $606 for tax and $295 
     for destination charge).

  The 1993 model has been upgraded from a subcompact to
  compact car and all carry driver side airback. Apart from that the
  DX and LX models have 115 HP rather than 105 HP of the basic model.
  Also looks much better than the 1992 version.



Thanks in advance!
-Karun
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: PC's vs. Mac's... was: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:10:28 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <25859@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) writes:
> FWD is better in snow for complete morons who want to take off in it the same

	Yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah, fact is my Taurus'll still keep up
with anything except a damn Corvette or a Porsche or some other beast which
costs more to insure than I make in a year.   Jesus, why do so many people
need to convince themselves that the *only* kind of car *anyone* should *ever*
own is whatever they're driving at the moment...

					My next car's gonna have 4 legs 
					an' a hackamore.
From: hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Ultra-high?   Was Re:  FWD vs RWD
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:15:36 GMT
Organization: Chevron


 
 In article <stuart.717817096@yacht>, stuart@ee.fit.edu (William Stuart) writes:
|>  Somebody may correct me, but I cannot think of one Ultra-high performance
|>  car that is not RWD.  STOCK, that is.  Or street prepared (SCCA definition)
|>  I would arbitrarily classify Ultra-high performance as 0-60 in sub 6 sec,
|>  1/4 mi. in sub 15 sec.  High slalom speeds too.

 I wouldn't call 0-60 in sub 6 sec, 1/4 mil in sub 15 sec, and high slalom
 speeds "Ultra-high" performance.  That just sounds like some Mustang or
 Camaro guy bragging.  

 IMHO, it would be something like this:

     Level      0-60   1/4          Examples 
  -----------   ----   ---   ------------------------
  Performance    <8    <16   Most Sports Models (not Sporty)
  High           <7    <15   Mustang, Camaro, Eclipse
  Very High      <6    <14   Vette, 300ZX, Porsches
  Ultra High     <5    ~13   Ferraris, ZR1, Porsches 
  Mine           <4    <12   F40  (I just have $999,999 to go) :)


 TRAVIS

========================================================================
 "The speedometer went all the way up to 200 mph and there was still
  room and the words OH WOW!" 
                                        - Bill Cosby, "200 M.P.H."
========================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: downforce and cornering g's (was which car handles the best?
From: thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 01:43:13 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <Sep26.052042.14533@engr.washington.edu> eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes:
>
>[lots deleted]
>
>the race for the lowest coefficient of drag is now passe'.  we started
>seeing a reversal of this trend when Porsche went for zero lift first
>then low drag in the 959.  the next race that we see is which car
>maker builds a car that will generate the most downforce.  this would
>in most cases coincide with the highest c.d.!!!  hah!  when the japanese
>jump aboard with the NSX III or the 300 ZX VII or the RX7 V, don't be
>too surprised to see 2g's.  remember, you heard it here first.  :-)

Interesting you should say that.

I remember reading about the Honda NSX before it came out - they were
saying that they weren't just aiming for low drag, but also good
stability. So, it looks as though they're already on the right track.

(BTW, I referred to it as the Honda NSX because I refuse to bow to the
overwhelming US pressure on the net. We don't have Acruas. :-)
-- 
    Thomas Beagle | thomas@datamark.co.nz  or  thomas@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz
Datamark Intl Ltd | 
 Technical Writer | I don't need a disclaimer, I live in a sane society.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sykhor@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Sek Yong Khor)
Subject: Re: newsgroup for 4x4 trucks?
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 07:16:49 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

Count me In!! ... time I'd change my BRONCO II ...

Peter 
Newsgroups: rec.autos