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From: launce@medusa.med.utah.edu (Tri-Ungulate)
Subject: Re: Reflecting America with a Fun House Mirror
Organization: Trifurcate-Hooved Ruminant Surveyors, Inc.
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:04:50

>In article <1993Jan12.213936.7158@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com
>(Clare Chu) writes:
>>   In article <73431@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>> (More SAT trivia)

>     Since when was SAT scores used as a criterion for
>     cabinet position? 

Clare...

It's Arthur, remember?  His repertoire is only slightly larger than
Dwight's and the SAT factoids are regular features in his quest to
prove that Asians are superior and therefore worthy to hold power so
long as they vote Republican. 

Heh heh.

-- launce
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From: mciver@alpo.cs.colorado.edu (William McIver Jr.)
Subject: Re: Dizzy Gillespie has passed
Organization: Universtiy of Coloardo, Boulder
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:21:31 GMT

In article <1iivbrINN4ih@news.aero.org> helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman) writes:
>In article <BETSYS.93Jan7154419@ra.cs.umb.edu> betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz) writes:
>>The Boston Globe enclosed side-by-side pictures of both artists under
>>the heading "Performing Arts Lose Two Giants" with separate headings
>>under each picture. "Gillespie, Pioneer of Jazz, dies at 75" and "Nureyev,
>>Electrifier of Ballet, dead at 54."  Nicely done. 
>
>Ditto the L.A. Times. Gillespie above, Nureyev below. Both got identical
>amounts of page 1. Both got ENTIRE pages inside section 1. 
>
>Both got appreciation articles from the respective art and jazz
>critics in the Calendar section. 
>
>So much for alleged media bias - at least insofar as the L.A. Times is 
>concerned.
>
>


The operative phrase is "expected media bias".
At the time of my post there was virtually no media response to judge.

You can ask many people on the Jazz/Blues newsgroup Rec.music.bluenote
about "observed media bias" when Jazz giant Art Blakey died the same
week as Leonard Bernstein.



WJM

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From: lashlepi@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Phillip Lashley)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:58:32 GMT
Distribution: world 
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

In article <1993Jan4.224113.7074@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.190708.8750@newton.ccs.tuns.ca> lashlepi@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Phillip Lashley) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan1.155419.25716@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>>>
>>
>>*MUCH* stuff deleted. It is too early in the year to tire my soul with attempting to find any reason in this post. (perhaaps im missing something)
  *MUCH MORE* stuff deleted
sorr, deleted one line too many. Any wayy chaney@nextnet.etc is intrested in:
>1) Intolerant militant sisters. 
>2) If not them, then at least an intolerant brother. 
>3) If not them, then at least some riff-raff out there that
>thinks they're hot enough to put the opposition down. 
>
In his humble opinion, and i quote:
>You look like a weak #2. No challenge..
>
Here we go again,
perhaps it sould be done as with the other guy phil stromer or who have you ... ignore. But others still advocate trying to make silk purse from the skin of swine. i will try.
Perple, no mater what race, creed etc, deserve some minimum level of respect. (Even racists, unfortunately). lack of this for others, particularily Black women, (not exactly P.C but hey)is perhaps indicative of a certain lack of respect foryourself. i will hope (and pray) that your current S.O can continue to putup with you, despite your short somings. (i cant resist this, probaly literall)
Now. read the other replies, since one individual does some nice work about your lack of self esteem. Find some, chill a little
Thats it. You join my kill list.

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From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:41:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.190708.8750@newton.ccs.tuns.ca> lashlepi@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Phillip Lashley) writes:
>In article <1993Jan1.155419.25716@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>>
>
>*MUCH* stuff deleted. It is too early in the year to tire my soul with attempting to find any reason in this post. (perhaaps im missing something)
>I will say this thoug:
>1. if this is your attitude to life, no wonder the sisters are dissing you
>2. if you carry on in this manner the entire female sex will ostracise you
>3. *DONT EVEN TRY* it, because no gay man i know will take your attitude
>in the words of my S.O
>"have a nice life"

Funny, har har. 

1) Dissent means you'll be ostracized. Yeah, Komrad, alright. 
   Besides, I don't need your attitude, ideology or whatever. 
   I can do better. (And I did, fortunately.)
   And seeing that I give "sisters" just as much hell as they give me,
   they cannot disrespect me and think I'm just another punk to beat
   up on. They pay with hurt feelings. I am a liberal distributor of
   ulcers for those who dis me.
2) My girlfriend's definitely female. And she doesn't ostracize me. :)
(In fact, we chat on IRC at times.) 
3) You go ahead and try it. I'll stick with my female girlfriend.
4) I posted this article to hurt some feelings in response. I wanted
   to drag you extremists out and take you on in a pitched battle
   because I'm tired of you hitting us, then ducking out of dodge
   when a response comes, so I just hit you folks first. 

The people I was looking for a conflict with, were:
1) Intolerant militant sisters. 
2) If not them, then at least an intolerant brother. 
3) If not them, then at least some riff-raff out there that
thinks they're hot enough to put the opposition down. 

You look like a weak #2. No challenge..


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From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Chaney is a racist (and other ramblings) (was re: why...)
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:41:18 GMT

In article <C0E07t.GDH@NCoast.ORG> cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) writes:
>As quoted from <93005.071806KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> by <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>:

[ More racial purism stuff deleted] 

>> Meredith - any brother who works for Jesse Helms needs a lobotomy).
>
>AnyBODY who works for Jesse Helms has HAD a lobotomy!

Anyone who works for Jesse Jackson has obviously earned their
membership in the black Anti-Semite Nazi Party, too. What is the
difference? Well, they haven't had a lobotomy.  


>>    Black women are the reason why our race has survived and will be the reason
>> why we will not be extinct.  With 25% of our young men either in prison or on
>
>Well not really, at least not 100%... unless Black women have discoverted how
>to reproduce via fission.... :)

Oh, please, someone substantiate this bulls#$t claim. 

In all the responses we've seen, there has NEVER been any response to
my question:

What about Whoopi Goldberg? Diana Ross? There hasn't been much outcry
about their "jungle fever" habits. This standard is only used on black
men. 

I smell black militant Nazi racial-purist feminism in hiding, here.


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From: cr614@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Monee C. Kidd)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Date: 9 Jan 1993 04:34:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In article #22790, pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:

[much deleted regarding his agreement w/Mr Chaney]
...

>Consider the following:

>1) Black women very conspicously perm and style their hair in 
>the latest white girl fashions, going to the extent, sometimes, 
>of even dying it in the various shades in which white hair exists.

Again only speaking for myself, I relax my hair because it is
easiest to care for in that state. I do not aspire to be white
by making my hair straight. This statement also implies that black
hair cannot be naturally light or reddish, which isn't true. And
what of sister who choose to dye their hair green? Trying to
be Martians?

>This circumstance presents as a situation where these people have 
>conceeded that white women are more beutiful than they are. And if 
>this is so, why would they blame any one who went for the real 
>rather than the fake thing.

Those who believe that blanket statement that `white is right',
obviously misguided souls. However, the way I dress my hair is
more a reflection of myself and what I see on other sisters,
not on a white girl. I personally would never look to a white
girl to be my fashion guide because she and I do not share body
types.

>Although this will never affect me, no black woman with permed 
>hair is going convince me that anywhere in her she feels more 
>beutiful than a white woman. That can't be. It violates the 
>rules of nature.

I really hope I am misreading this statement. Are you actually
saying that no black woman could actually feel more beautiful
than a white woman? You don't think we all have that kind
of low self-esteem, do you? Anyone who would susbcribe to that
kind of thought must be surrounded by the Steven Chaneys of the 
world. I have relaxed hair, and often I *do* feel as attractive 
as the best of them out there (not to be conceited or anything ;)
If you look closely at recent trends, black beauty is `in' now, 
full lips, fuller hips, etc. (Take note Mr. Chaney, not everyone 
thinks we're `Amazons'!) What exactly is it that you say `violates 
the rules of nature'? Please explain these sentences further. 
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From: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Subject: Re: What about non-black men for black?
Originator: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu
Reply-To: gds@cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Organization: in your face!
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 16:15:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.233851.16741@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> xuyy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>Forgive my ignorance if it annoys anyone. But in the short time I've
>been here I've realized when it comes to race, Americans could also
>be as ignorant as the sheep I once tended.

Having an interracial relationship and being cognizant of race are not
mutually exclusive.  It is possible (and I know several couples who
have done this) to have an interracial relationship where both
partners were cognizant of issues regarding the other's race.

--gregbo
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From: stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski)
Subject: Re: What does Malcolm X mean to you
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 18:47:42 GMT



Gabrielle Daniels writes:

>   From what I understand, the ancient Britons and Celts did a little
>   of that kind of [human] sacrifice.  If I am wrong, I stand corrected.

There certainly was human sacrifice in Bronze Age Europe. Julius Caesar
writes about the Druids who burned war prisoners in wicker cages as
part of their religious ceremonies.


>  As recently as the late 1980s, the author Toni Morrison, in the
>  opening pages of her book, "Beloved" dedicates her book to the 60
>  million or more black people who died in the slave trade.....
>  I know for a fact that Toni does research on her books.  My girl
>  would not lie.  I've heard upwards to 30-60 million African lives
>  were lost, as well as 30 million Indian peoples.

I sometimes wonder why people like to cite the "60 million dead in the
slave trade" figure. As long as you're going to be off by a couple
of orders of magnitude, why not 40, 50, or 100 million? According to
the most reliable estimates that I've seen, the total number of 
fatalities in the Africa --> Americas slave trade was no more than
1.5 million. For some reason, this does not constitute a sufficiently
monstrous crime for those who professionally engage in the bizarre
calculus of suffering and racial one-upmanship. My guess is that their
motives have to do with the record stats that have been racked up in our
own bloody times. Somebody must have read that 52 million died in World
War II, then rounded up the "slave trade" number to make it look even 
worse.

There is something truly shameful in all of this. It's as though
"my girl" Toni and her pen-pals had alighted on the decks of a 
slave-ship, surveyed the agony, blood, excrement and degredation, and
declared: "Oh my, you people sure are suffering, but there are not
enough of you to make a good point, so we'll inflate your numbers by
a factor of ten. Bye, now".


Stefan
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Date: 9 Jan 93 00:07:42 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1igi58INNspo@news.aero.org> helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman) writes:
>
>Small portion, eh?

I never said that $7bn was a small portion, I said a small propotion. The
Russians lost 1/3 rd of their GNP, most of their technological base, the
annhilation of 1700 towns and cities and the loss of 20 million lives. The
costs of their effort make $7 bn  a miniscule amount proportiantely.

>>>They lost 20,000,000 people fighting that war to give us enough time to
>>>get prepared to invade at Normandie.

Some Russians feel that Normandy was really not relevant to the outcome of the
war. To start with, the German army was retreating on the eastern front. There
fate had already almost been made a fore gone conclusion by the Red Army. The
feeling is that Normandy happened because the western alliance wanted to pre
vent as much of Europe from falling under Russian control as possible.


>
>From reading your other postings, I think the problem is that if
>the U.S. did something, you immediately derogate it. You seem incapable
>of saying ANYTHING positive about this country.


This is not true. I supported and appreciated the US effort in Somalia. I
appreciate the opportunity to study in the US. What I opposed was the tende
ncy by some to cast the US as a do-no-wrong angelic country, and the USSR
as a do-no-right den of the devil. At least as a far as the last big war
was concerned. I happen to be aware, contrary to the insistence of these
people, that Russia liberated a big portion of Africa. The US worked hard
to subvert this effort and to prop racism in that Region. 

makala
From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: How white America perceives African-Americans??!??
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:49:14 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

I often wonder how white American perceives African-Americans. What do you
think? Here's what I seen most of the time.
1) White America believes African-Americans are out to take their jobs.
2) WA believes AfAms are out to take their women.
3) WA believes AfAms shouldn't get Afirmitive Action because it is reverse
discrimination.
4) WA believes AfAms are criminals and only capable of criminal acts.
5) WA believes everything is fair and equal and is afraid to deal with the
problem of racism.
6) WA believes that everyone can "Pull themselves up by their own Bootstraps",
regardless of color.
7) WA doesn't care about African-Americans until African-Americans do something
to effect them.  
        
                Chad J Glover
           glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu      
       Drexel University Software Testing Lab
   If a man hasn't found something he will die for, he
                        isn't fit to live. --MLK
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From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:36:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.163359.10530@news.ysu.edu> af185@yfn.ysu.edu (Robin L. Gibson) writes:
>
>>In article <1993Jan7.202713.29249@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>
>The opinions that Mr. Chaney has expressed are truly indicative of what I like to call a "transraceual":  a white person trapped in a black person's body.

And this article by Robin Gibson is proof of why you should never post
to USENET while using pot. She forgot that I said before: Show me a
conservative black woman and there I'll go. I can just bet that
(generalization alert! Call the thought cops!) that'll be quite a long
wait.  


>What a waste of beautiful pigment.

You are indeed. 


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From: stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski)
Subject: Re: The Sabotage of Malcolm X
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 01:34:17 GMT

dem2@pyuxd.uucp (Me) writes:
>It appears that there are forces at work that are trying to hinder
>the success of Spike Lee's _Malcolm X_ movie (and also thwart the
>communication of Malcolm's important message to the masses).
>....

There is a force at work here. Its name is Spike Lee.

Hollywood trade publications are reporting that Lee's movie is
shaping up as a moderate box-office flop. Surveys indicate
two reasons: the movie is too long, and it's perceived as a
preachy, tedious history lesson. Ironically, when the movie was 
being released, there were dark rumors about mysterious forces
that were trying to cut down the length of the movie, presumably
in order to "thwart the communication of Malcolm's important
message".

Having seen the movie at last over the weekend, I am now aware
of America's guilty little secret: "Malcolm X" is not very good. 
Spike Lee is so terrified of his subject, and so intent on creating
a pigmented version of "Ghandi", that he forgot all about making
an exciting movie about a complex, brilliant, slightly disturbed
man. Spike wants to be a great educator, but the second half of
the movie rarely rises above the level of a made-for-TV docudrama.
The result is - a preachy, tedious history lesson.

It's too bad that the script is slavishly based on the self-serving
"autobiography", when recent scholarship has shown that many of its
events were fabricated. But who cares about the truth when you are 
painting an icon? Even so, the events of Malcolm's life are so
peculiar, that the movie's ending (when lots of kids jump up and
assert "I am Malcolm X!") makes no sense at all. Are America's
kids really supposed to emulate a man who:
    - started out as a criminal,
    - converted to a bizarre offshoot of Islam with a crack-brained,
      racist theology, an impossible set of standards of conduct, and
      a corrupt leadership,
    - badmouthed and insulted the black political leaders who were
      making enormous progress in overcoming racism,
    - recognized the truth (that there is good and bad among all
      races) when that truth had been staring him in the face for
      years,
    - died a horrible death at the hands of his former associates.

I fully recognize the man's admirable qualities, chiefly his eloquent
espousal of the worth and dignity of Black Americans, and his emphasis
on pride and self-reliance. But Spike Lee set out to depict a Christ-like
figure, and failed. The funny thing is that there was (and still is) a
great movie to be made from the fascinating life of Malcolm X. It was
said that it's impossible for a white person to make such a movie. I
think that's true but, in today's racially super-charged America, it may 
be impossible for a black person as well.


Stefan
From: patm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Pat Murphy)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:11:20 GMT
Subject: Re: The Sabotage of Malcolm X
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american

In soc.culture.african.american, dem2@pyuxd.uucp (Me) writes:

> It appears that there are forces at work that are trying to hinder
> the success of Spike Lee's _Malcolm X_ movie...
> 
> 1) In the St. Louis area, people buying tickets for _Malcolm X_
> were given tickets for other movies instead (such as _Home Alone 2_)

	unless there is evidence of deliberate actions, i
	can't see this as *sabotage*
> 
> 2) In Dallas, a janitor discovered a pipe bomb under a seat in a
> theater shortly before _Malcolm X_ was due to be shown. Fortunately,
> the bomb was disabled before  anyone was hurt.

	bombs = sabotage.  no question.  but Who & Why?
> 
> 3) I saw the movie twice when it first opened: once in Detroit
> and a second time several days later in Natchez, Mississippi.
> The second time I noticed something strange -- some key events
> were happening out of order (compared to the first, which I
> knew was "correct" from reading the autobiography).  

	again, unless there is intent to mix up the reel, ain't
	no sabotage.

	the original post seems like something spike would dream
	up...  i don't see where (absent the dallas incident) there
	is a concerted effort for the deliberate obstruction of or
	damage to X.


	on another note, i found the movie to be one of the best
	examples of cinematic biography ever.  spike is to be commended
	and denzel should get the nod for Best Actor.  I was
	particularly enthralled by the way spike handled his camera.
	during malcolm's early years as a punk, the camera movement
	was frenetic and fast-paced [in much the same manner as all
	other spike-movies]... this created an edgey mood which was
	a perfect complement to malcolm's hood-life.  after malcolm's
	conversion the camera stepped back and slowed down a bit to
	give the feel of an epic--  the camera carressed the man and
	i fell in love with him [no flames, puh-leeze].


peace out,
patrick.


		"A low voter turn-out is an indication of
		 fewer people going to the polls"
			--Vice President Dan Quayle
From: todd@reed.edu (Todd Ellner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Date: 9 Jan 93 16:14:42 GMT
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon

In article <1465@blue.cis.pitt.edu> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>As easy as it is to say this, it is appropriate to remember that the bomb was 
>created by German scientists (as is most other science....)

Horseshit, pure and simple. The bomb was invented by a large team of
scientists including Americans, British, Italians, Germans, and more. As
for your parenthetical comment, even purer horseshit.

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