From: cnc405@bnr.ca (Charles Board)
Subject: Re: Mormons are not Christians
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 12:32:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.093838.13108@phillip.edu.au>, lbarrass@phillip.edu.au writes:
|> In article <1992Oct06.124159.591@brtph560.bnr.ca>, ingrcfb@bnr.ca (Charles Board) writes:
|> > In article <cfhR02OR24a101@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose) writes:
|> > |> In article <16773@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
|> > |> >In article <1992Oct1.121630.13063@phillip.edu.au> lbarrass@phillip.edu.au writes:
|> > |> >
|> > |> >>1. Before examining LDS theology, I feel that it is important to define 
|> > |> >>orthodox Christian beliefs that would be considered the "Fundamentals" of the
|> > |> >>faith, and not those doctrines unnecesary to salvation. The list that follows
|> > |> >>is terse and is not supposed to be a theological treatise.
|> > |> >>
|> > |> >>        a) There is only one God, who created the heavens and the earth.  
|> > |> >>        b) Jesus is God incarnate, born of the virgin Mary. In saying that Mary
|> > |> >>           was a virgin, I mean that she had never had sexual relations with a 
|> > |> >>           man or (as LDS theology says) with God. Jesus being God incarnate 
|> > |> >>           means that Jesus is God.
|> > |> >>        c) God exists as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Separate but indiv-
|> > |> >>           sible, otherwise known as the Trinity. This is important in recog-
|> > |> >>           nising who Jesus is. To reject Jesus as God is to reject God.
|> > |> >
|> > |> >So you are saying that anyone who rejects the virgin birth, for example,
|> > |> >rejects God and therefore, despite any other profession of
|> > |> >faith in Jesus (even as God) and throwing one's self on His mercy,
|> > |> >is invalid, and that person is not a Christian?
|> > |> >
|> > |> 
|> > |> If you get on the wrong plane you will arrive in the wrong city!  If you
|> > |> sincerely believe in the wrong Christ, you will end up in the wrong
|> > |> eternity.
|> > 
|> > Wow...a Christian who believes Paul is going to hell. Now I've seen everything!
|> 
|>     Please tell us why you think this means that Paul is going to hell (I
|> assume you mean Paul the Apostle.)

Well, that was a little strong...I should have said "believes that Paul was PROBABLY
not a CHRISTIAN".  We can't say for sure that Paul *rejected* the Virgin Birth, but
there is not a scrap of evidence to show that he believed in such a thing. And, as a
"missionary", there is every reason to believe that he would have used such knowledge
if he had had it.So it is probable that the Apostle Paul did not meet criteria b above
and hence was not a Christian by this guy's definition. IF this guy also holds the belief
that all non-Christians will go to hell, then my original statement would apply.
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|> lbarrass@phillip.edu.au                     Lindsay     
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