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From: wall@HEL4.BRL.MIL (JEFF WALL)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Are ther YMCA dive agencies in Australia ?
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:02:41 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Human Engineering Lab, Aberdeen, MD

In article <nj9v7cg@fido.asd.sgi.com> leej@sgi.com (Lee Jones) writes:

>In article <1992Jul21.172342.5289@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> peterson@hpl.hp.com 
>(Chris Peterson) writes:

>>Yeah, even some of us hard-core NAUI instructors have started to omit the
>>forward roll from pool work (I've never seen anyone use it in OW classes).
>>Consider it a slight bend back to reality... :-)

>At the beginning of my teaching career, I taught the forward roll.  After
>watching a number of my students bang their heads on tank valves
>and *never* seeing anybody do one in real life, I stopped teaching it.
>The only thing I've regretted about that decision is not making it earlier.
>If you won't tell NAUI, I won't either :-)

I was certified NAUI OW I in 1987 and was not taught the forward roll.

Besides, everybody knows the forward roll is only used by instructors 
to enter the pool when no students are looking :-).

Jeff Wall
wall@hel4.brl.mil
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Steve's bird
From: drintoul@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (David A Rintoul)
Date: 28 Jul 1992 09:17:01 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

Scissortailed Flycatchers are COMMON birds in southwest Missouri.  On
a trip to Roaring River State Park last September we saw many, many
scissortailed flycatchers.  Monett is about 25 mi north of Roaring
River, so I would concur with Jim's identification of Steve's bird.
In fact, I would venture to say that anyone who needed to see a
scissortailed flycatcher for their life list would be satisfied if
they traveled to this corner of Missouri, or the adjacent corners of
KS, OK, and AK.
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Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: rising@zoo.toronto.edu (Jim Rising)
Subject: Josh's warblers, and range maps
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:28:39 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

The range maps (at least in the first edition) in the Golden Guide
are horrid for Canadian ranges.  Nonetheless, a Blackpoll in the
Seattle region must be a helluva good record; Nashville breeds in the
southern interior of BC and Alta, and "south through Washington," so
I would suppose that it might be regular there.  Other posters will 
know better.  Re the Blackpoll, make sure you didn't see a Black-throated
Gray Warbler.  Cheers! (P.S., could you FAX me one of those pies?)
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Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: hir@rigel.uucp (26122-rothrock)
Subject: To Laurie Goodman re: Indonesia/Malaysia
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 12:52:42 GMT


Laurie -

I tried to respond by email, but got "host unknown."

I have a detailed report of a trip I took to Peninsular Malaysia and Borneo
that would probably be of interest.  Contact me via email if you are 
interested.

                      Rocky Rothrock
                      Bellcore
                      hir@rigel.cc.bellcore.com
                      (908) 758-2136

(Obviously, I'll need an Internet address that works to get it to you.)
From: josh@cqs.washington.edu (Josh Hayes)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: range maps in Golden guide
Summary: two "odd" sightings: are the maps accurate?
Keywords: blackpoll, Nashville warbler, range
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:05:57 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

I meant to post this earlier this week but forgot.

My wife and I went berry-picking last weekend - got ten pints
and made a TON of pies, mmmmmm.....but that's a different
story - we didn't really intend to do any birding, but of course
we took our binocs with us just in case a goshawk flew by or
some such.

We each got a clear sighting of an unusual bird: she saw a
blackpoll, and I saw a Nashville warbler. Now, according to
the Golden guide maps, the blackpoll is simply not found
within twenty miles of Seattle, and the Nashville is unlikely
to be found. But the sightings were solid. This is not the
first time I've found this sort of thing; the maps seem to
be off by at least a hundred miles for most species, and for
some (black-shouldered kites come to mind) they're off by
a thousand or so.

At the same time, for some confusing sightings, range maps can
be a real boon in identification.

So, where can one find more accurate range maps? Other 
inaccurate-map horror stories also appreciated.....

Josh

--
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josh@mowgli.cqs.washington.edu             206 685-2793
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From: sorrell@triton.unm.edu
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Feeding of baby birds & milk...
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:14:21 GMT
Followup-To: Care of baby birds--please read!
Distribution: na
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

>Subject: Re: Care of baby Birds--please read!
>Weber's cat chow formula isn't a quick fix for the birds he gives
>it for.  Why is egg yolk in water then better?  I don't follow the
>reasoning.

We, being mammals, may be mammocentric and believe that milk is
good for all babies.  If the young gut doesn't contain lactase,
however, milk has no nutritional value.  Some guts may tolerate
lactose, which is not the same as utilizing lactose for nutrition. 
Most "milk based diets" contain a lot of other stuff (cat chow and
egg, for instance).  The other stuff may be providing the nutrients
and the milk just passing through.

As Sam Conway says, different species of birds have different
nutritional requirements.  But all birds come from eggs and all
avian eggs have that marvelous nutrient package, yolk.  In spite
of some TV ads, yolk, for birds, is not flawed.  It's perfect food
for growing avians.  It's such good stuff that even some mammals 
use it. 

In food requirements some mammals are specialists,like ant eaters,
and some generalists, like pigs and man.

Some birds are specialists, like hummingbirds,  and some
generlists, like crows.

Many woodpeckers are generalists.  Could you survive on a diet of
only 5 basic items?  Probably, if they were the right ones.  Would
you prefer a variety of more than 19?  Probably, and be healthier
for it.  For reference to the variety of foods found in bird
stomachs I recommend all 20 vols. of Arthur Cleveland Bent, 1939,
Life Histories of North American...(Dover,1964)

The frequency of feeding baby birds depends on their species, age,
and size of crop.  As to what is easy to raise...As with anything
else, what is easy is what you understand.  If you understand
about the psychologic needs of a haggard peregrine in captivity,
it's easy to meet them.  If you understand the physiology of
hydration and shock it may be easy to revive the "downed" peregrine
for the first 48 hours.  If you understand calcium:phosphorous
balance, it's relation to vitamin D3 and their availablity in
hamburger, chicken, whole mouse, grilled cheese sandwiches..., it
may be easy to raise a raptor without rickets.  The key to all
these questions is consult, listen, share experiences, learn, and
beware of hubris.  

Penny Elliston
(posted by sorrell@triton.unm.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: henniss@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kathryn Henniss)
Subject: More on hummingbird behavior
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:13:01 GMT

The hummers in our backyard (Anna's Hummingbirds) seem to 
have become quite used to us being around (they weren't at 
first, and would always zoom off when we came out), as we not 
only work in and water the garden near their feeder, but also 
frequently eat dinner or brunch on the patio nearby.  Recently, 
though, they've gotten even more brazen/friendly.  Whenever we have
dinner guests on the patio, they invariably come and hover
nearby (sometimes QUITE close, within a foot or two), apparently
just checking out the new folks, or perhaps what's being
served for dinner.

When it's just me and my housemate outside, they show
moderate curiosity, but when there are more people, the
hummers are definitely more up close and personal.

(Apologies if referring to this behavior as "curiosity" or
"friendliness" offends enemies of anthropomorphization.)

We've actually had a problem with the hummer feeder recently;
Some of the larger birds (finches, jays, mockingbirds)
will occasionally come in and try to sit on the perch of
the hummer feeder.  When this happens their weight causes 
the bottom of the feeder to fall off, spilling all the
hummerfood on the ground.  I figure this must be more
of a territorial thing that these non-hummingbirds 
actually want to drink the sugar water.  

Anyone else ever have non-hummers at their hummer feeders?

Kathryn
From: geek@media.mit.edu (Chris Schmandt)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Peterson Field Guides  Eastern/Central Bird Songs mistake?
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:37:04 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

Northern Oriole shows a great deal of variation in its song.  This
makes it a fun challenge!  The "birding by ear" tapes give 4 or
5 examples (I was listening to them on the way in this morning)
which are all quite different, though of course have similar themes.
None of them sound exactly like the Northern Orioles I hear in my
area, but are similar enough to make the point.


BUT -- I have not listened to the CD yet so my statements are not
meant ot imply that I think the song you mention there really is a
Northern Oriole!

chris
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: jwhite@mta.ca (Jay White)
Subject: Bushnell Spacemaster
Reply-To: jwhite@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:09:39 GMT

anyone point me in the direction of a good price on a Bushnell Spacemaster
telescope.  Local birrs seem to favor this model as a good general
purpose 'scope, but I know absolutely nothing about this subject.  The
telescope is for my Dad whose eyesight is not the best.  Street price
locally seems to be about $240 CDN, (body only).  Zoom eyepiece runs about
$140 CDN.  Are these good prices?

Please respond to jwhite@mta.ca as I don't subscribe to this group.

Thanks,  Jay
        Jay
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Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: hawk@oakhill.sps.mot.com (George Hawkins)
Subject: Re: rec.pets.birds
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:28:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.102120.15631@nntp.uoregon.edu> kelvinw@inferno.uoregon.edu (Kelvin Wee) writes:
>
>I have a short question.  I was just wondering if anyone could 
>tell me what happened to rec.pets.birds.  I don't seem to be able
>to get it.  Thanks.
>
>kelvinw@inferno.uoregon.edu
>
>please mail to avoid cloggin this group up.
>
>

Its alive and well as of yesterday when i was on.
george...
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Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: r0th@ellis.uchicago.edu (Dr. Samuel Conway)
Subject: Re: Big Hawk sighted
Reply-To: r0th@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:41:38 GMT

Likely red-tailed hawk.
Specifically, a juvenile, which can make identification a bit tricky.

----
Dr. Samuel Conway         *  "If the guest isn't singing, 'Oh What a Beautiful
Roving chemist, wildlife  *  Morning' I don't immediately think, 'Oh, there's
rehabilitator, and all-   *  another one snuffed it in the night!'  Another
around nice guy!          *  name in the Fawlty Towers book of Remembrance.
r0th@midway.uchicago.edu  *  I mean, this is a hotel, not the Burma Railway!"

Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: yasin@laser.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yasin)
Subject: Procedure to bring a pet bird in USA.
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:06:32 GMT
Keywords: Immigration for birds.

May be this is a FAQ, but can any body please post
the procedure to bring couple of Maynas or Parrots
from an Asian country into USA. Is it worth it?
The reason for bringing these birds is that it
is hard to buy a talking bird in my native language.
With small children in my family I have to start my
bird keeping adventure with friendly, trained bird.


Any input on this will be greatly appreciated.

Yasin.
From: rglaeser@sparc4.cs.uiuc.edu (Russ Glaeser)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: AVES archive
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:10:21 GMT
Reply-To: rglaeser@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

In <WVENABLE.92Jul22153449@algona.stats.adelaide.edu.au> wvenable@algona.stats.adelaide.edu.au (Bill Venables) writes:

>Regarding his AVES gif archive,

>>>>>> "Russ" == Russ Glaeser <rglaeser@uiuc.edu> writes:

>Russ> Please check out the DESCRIPTIONS file as not all of these are what
>Russ> you might expect.

>Just how reliable are the DESCRIPTIONS, too?  In particular
This was referring more to differentiating scanned images from drawings.  I was
not intending to "describe" the pictures.  Sorry for the confusion.

>1) What do people make of "bird1"?  It looks very much like a kingfisher to
>   me, but not one with which I am familiar.  Any guesses?
This was uploaded as "bird1.gif".  I had no idea what it was.  If anyone does
please e-mail me.

>2) The "goldfinch" looks nothing like the (feral) goldfinches we have here
>   in Australia.
I take no responsibility for the pictures.  My knowledge of non-parrot birds
is somewhere between zero and nil.  I just know what I was told.

>3) Is that delightful "eagle" really "S. Amer. Indian" as the DESCRIPTIONS
>   suggests?
It looked to me like Aztec art.  I don't know what book it came from.


If anyone can identify a mislabelled picture, please tell me.  I don't like
to distribute incorrect info.

Also, if anyone follows up to this post I won't see it.  I'm going away for
a month.  Please e-mail me.

Russ Glaeser
rglaeser@uiuc.edu
rglaeser@vitruvius.cecer.army.mil
From: sandee@Think.COM (Daan Sandee)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: AVES archive
Date: 22 Jul 1992 22:31:07 GMT
Organization: TMC
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com

In article <1992Jul22.211021.20829@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu>, rglaeser@sparc4.cs.uiuc.edu (Russ Glaeser) writes:
|> In <WVENABLE.92Jul22153449@algona.stats.adelaide.edu.au> wvenable@algona.stats.adelaide.edu.au (Bill Venables) writes:

|> >1) What do people make of "bird1"?  It looks very much like a kingfisher to
|> >   me, but not one with which I am familiar.  Any guesses?
|> This was uploaded as "bird1.gif".  I had no idea what it was.  If anyone does
|> please e-mail me.

Not clear in this odd angle, but probably European Kingfisher, _Alcedo atthis_.

|> >2) The "goldfinch" looks nothing like the (feral) goldfinches we have here
|> >   in Australia.

American Goldfinch, _Carduelis tristis_.

More later. Maybe.

Daan Sandee                                           sandee@think.com
Thinking Machines Corporation
Cambridge, Mass 02142                                 (617) 234-5044
Newsgroups: rec.birds,rec.pets.birds
From: derich@netcom.com (Scott A. Steinbrink)
Subject: Bird Seed Recipe!!! Backyard Birds!
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 22:25:20 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Followup-To: rec.birds
Keywords: bird, bird, bird

Today I decided to do something nice for our avian friends:

   I simply melted at least 4 cups of shortening on medium heat.
   While it's melting, I "borrowed" 2 cups of parakeet food from 
   my budgies, added 2 slices of crushed and grinded wheat bread, one
   English muffin, and 2 millet spray trees, grinded. I mixed all the
   food, then when the fat is all melted, pour immediately on the seed,
   in a metal bowl, and then mix it up a little - put in the freezer
   for an hour and half, then move it to the refrigerator for another
    2 hours or so, then when the fat hardens, scoop it all out and
   place on a paper plate. Shape it if you like, and put it outside
   and watch the birds crowd each other for a tasty morsel.

- Scott

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From: rtp@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Central Amer. Birding
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:12:41 -0500

I will be staying in Siquirres, Costa Rica a few days in late September.
Any birders in the area, or does anyone know of good birding spots near?
I will also be in San Jose 1-2 days and Tegucigalpa, Honduras.    
Richard Poole 
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: srh3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Steven R. Hollis)
Subject: Re: Big Hawk sighted
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:42:54 GMT

I agree, a red-tail is much more likely to hang around in one area, but
it is still possible that it was a goshawk.  If so, you are a fortunate 
viewer.


--
srh3@ra.msstate.edu                              Oh, bother.

Steve Hollis                                      ---Winnie-the-Pooh
From: lgoodman@BBN.COM (Laurie Goodman)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Indonesia/Maylasia
Date: 22 Jul 1992 16:52:02 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lgoodman@BBN.COM (Laurie Goodman)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com



Am seeking information about birding locations in Indonesia
and Maylasia. Are there particular nature reserves that should
not be missed? Suggestions for nearby accommodations will be
greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Laurie
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: kelvinw@inferno.uoregon.edu (Kelvin Wee)
Subject: rec.pets.birds
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 10:21:20 GMT


I have a short question.  I was just wondering if anyone could 
tell me what happened to rec.pets.birds.  I don't seem to be able
to get it.  Thanks.

kelvinw@inferno.uoregon.edu

please mail to avoid cloggin this group up.
From: rising@zoo.toronto.edu (Jim Rising)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Strange Bird Song Recordings
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:04:36 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

I'm not familiar with the specific Northern Oriole of which you
speak (though that is a very variable song, and I've heard some
weird ones!), but the recording of the Carolina Chickadee in
that series on "learning to bird by ear," or some such title,
is really different from any I've ever heard!  I (or someone
else) wrote about that and apparently it was made in Ohio.
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: jwagner@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Judith O Wagner)
Subject: Re: Bald cardinals
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:22:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.141555.22193@samba.oit.unc.edu> frosty@med.unc.edu (Steve Loechel) writes:
>Recently I have noticed some male cardinals here in North Carolina
>who have no feathers on their heads. In fact, I was able to watch
>one go bald over the course of a couple of months. What's the deal
>with this? Is it some sort of disease? A fashion statement? Male
>pattern baldness? They seem perfectly healthy, and the rest of their
>feathers look fine, but I'm concerned about their self-esteem. They
>look like six-inch tall vultures.
>
>--Frosty (who sympathizes deeply with these birds, himself no longer
>having a crest to attract females and intimidate male rivals.)

Frosty--last summer I had a pair of cardinals with black heads
who were otherwise very healthy.  I was sure they had some dread
disease but was told by others that this was normal molting.
Even the female had lost her feathers--poor dear.  I have a pair
this year who are "normal" but I don't know if they are the same ones.

My guess is that all is well.

Judy
From: lbriggs@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu (LeBaron Briggs)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: feeding station
Keywords: Downy Woodpecker, Hummingbird feeder
Date: 29 Jul 92 01:09:15 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston MA. USA 02115




	My parents have run a feeding station at their house in Plymouth, 
Massachusetts for about 50 years. This year, a Downy Woodpecker has learned
to feed on a Droll Yankee Circular Hummingbird feeder (model LF). It sits
on top and reaches down to feed on the syrup (a solution of 5 parts water
1 part sugar). Thus far, only a single individual has learned to feed this
way. They have not heard of this behavior from anyone. Has anyone heard
of woodpeckers or other species learning to feed this way?

Baron Briggs



Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: kelvinw@inferno.uoregon.edu (Kelvin Wee)
Subject: Re: Procedure to bring a pet bird in USA.
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 08:08:12 GMT

mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.) writes:
: In article <1992Jul28.180632.23530@schbbs.mot.com>, yasin@laser.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yasin)  writes...
: >May be this is a FAQ, but can any body please post
: >the procedure to bring couple of Maynas or Parrots
: >from an Asian country into USA. Is it worth it?
: >The reason for bringing these birds is that it
: >is hard to buy a talking bird in my native language.
: >With small children in my family I have to start my
: >bird keeping adventure with friendly, trained bird.
: 
: Consider buying a young bird that has been bred in the United States.
: You will be able to teach him/her to talk in your own language.
: 
: In this way, you will know that you are not contributing to the purses of 
: those who would forcibly remove such a bird from the wild.

Totally agreed.  The number of wild birds are fast dwindling.  Mynas
are readily available in this country but most are wild caught.  Domestic
bred ones are hard to find.  Parrots, however, are available in abundance
and domestic bred ones are a lot easier to teach to talk in whatever
language.
 
To begin with, anyway, the process to bring a bird in is so long and
costly that it would not be worth it.  Your quarantine period for the
bird will cost more than a new and young and domestic parrot would cost.

Kelvin
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: rsl@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (randolph.little)
Subject: Re: Peterson Field Guides  Eastern/Central Bird Songs mistake?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:43:47 GMT
Summary: Northern Oriole ID Confirmed

In article <1992Jul23.113800.22390@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, am229@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Terry S. Collins) writes:
> 
> I own the compact disk version of the Peterson Guide to Eastern/Central Bird
> Songs and I am wondering if anyone else has doubts about the song of the
> Northern Oriole on this CD. It doesn't sound anything at all the the orioles
> around here. Is the recording of this bird poor or is it another bird?
> 
Terry is not alone in wondering about this particular recording, according
to Greg Budney, Curator of the Library of Natural Sounds at the Cornell
Laboratory of Ornithology.  However, the identification as Northern Oriole
has been substantiated by visual observation at the time of the recording,
and subsequently "seconded" by several eminently experienced recordists
including the late Bill Gunn.  Which goes to show that many species have
sounds which vary not only individually and seasonally, but also regionally.
That is part of the fascination of bird sounds!

Good birding and good listening,                    -- Randy

Randolph S. Little <rsl@bonasa.att.com>