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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Well, really.
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Oh, my goodness.  Is there a biographical form I have to fill out? What
does it include?  (Yes, I know what a biography is.  How *much* does it
include?)

Doris

On Thu, 16 Apr 1992, Lobstrosities Unite wrote:

> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:20:00 PST
> From: Lobstrosities Unite
> Subject: Re: Well, really.
> To: Multiple recipients of list WORDS-L <WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu>
>
> >How about this?  Hello.  Nice day, isn't it?
> >
> >Doris
>
> Oh, my!  Someone speaks!
>
> Hi, Doris.  I don't think we've ever talked before. Nice tameecha.  I also
> don't ever recall reading your biography.  Who are you and what do you do?
>
> Chris
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From:         QXN148%URIACC.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: the free press

>Posted on 13 Apr 1992 at 20:30:28 by Uriacc Mailer (002033)
>
>Re: the free press
>
>Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:28:13 -0500
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>From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
>
>On Mon, 13 Apr 1992, CGOODSON@uga.cc.uga.edu wrote:
>
>> ... this nasty, unsettling feeling that the press is determining who
>> >will be our next president.
>> >Rita
>>
>> and I wonder why anyone in his/her right mind would want the job, what with
>> scrutiny of their private lives.... How many of us could stand up to that?
>> I know I'd be out in a NY minute...
>
>I agree with you...I cannot imagine why anyone would want to be
>president badly enough to subject themselves and their families to the
>media spotlight.

This reminds me of the Clarence Thomas situation.  He himself said that he
would not wish what he had gone through on anybody but that he was not going to
give up because he had gone through too much to quit at that point. I guess he
wanted the job and the prestige of the job so much that he was willing to give
up some of his personal integrity (which I believe  he had given up long before
his nomination to the Supreme Court).
>ndh
Lisa
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From:         leah <LEAH%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Ashe and AIDS
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WHY does AIDS or HIV in a celebrity "remain newsworthy"? It strikes me that
as much of so-called news is today, it is merely gossip, and years ago, would h
ave been in Walter Winchell's or Sid Skolsky's columns.
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From:         "Michael E. Macmillan" <MACMILLM%EWC.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Fitting in

>>>        I dunno.  I'm an associate editor, so I don't fit in at all.
>>>Rita

>>Take heart, Rita.  I am a managing editor, and Judith is an editor,
>>so I think we can safely establish our own clique on this list.

>>   Sincerely, A.D. the M.E.

>I'm an Associate Editor, too.  Can a co...I mean man...get into
>this particular henhouse?  Cackle-cackle....

>Ken

I'm called senior editor in this zoo, but since there's no other editor in
this department to whom to be senior, I can't take it very seriously.  If
they won't let you in the henhouse, Ken, you can at least have some help
banging on the door.

Michael E. Macmillan (macmillm@ewc)
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From:         Frank Peters <fwp%CC.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Reflections on the matter of language change
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In article <9204151044.AA14656@isis.sics.se> torkel%SICS.SE@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
 says:
>                    Reading closely Natalie's responses to this question,
>the conclusion I arrive at is that there isn't really anything in what she
>is saying that is in any way contrary to what people mean when they say
>that it would be deplorable if the English language were to change into
>a system of grunts.

What we have agreed upon (I think) is the fact that language changes to
meet the changing needs of a culture that is using it.  Language change
is an effect of cultural change rather than a cause of it.

So when you say

(a) It would be deplorable if the English language were to change into
    a system of grunts.

what you really mean is

(b) It would be deplorable for English speaking cultures to change so
    that their linguistic needs were  met by a system of grunts.

Natalie has been carefully aruing for the falseness of (a) (or, more
accurately, the meaninglessness of (a)) while very carefully not
agreeing or disagreeing with (b).

I gather that you find this distinction uninteresting and don't see
why Natalie (and I) think it is important.

Do you agree with my analysis so far?
--
Frank Peters  -  UNIX Systems Programmer  -  Mississippi State University
Internet: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu  -  Phone: (601)325-7030  -  FAX: (601)325-8921
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: sad thought
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````
On Sat, 11 Apr 1992, Frank Peters wrote:
>
> Basically, I think private schools force students to read more but do
> no better job of making them WANT to read.  Rather a hollow victory in
> my opinion.

I think you've found a key...they have to *want* to read.  This is one of
the reasons I regret so much that so few students are read to as children,
or that so few of them grow up in homes where they see their parents
reading and assume that reading is a good thing to do.  Although my own
children grew up with "Sesame Street" and "The Electric Company," they
always had books, and we read every day.  I believe children who read
because they want to develop a thirst for knowledge and consequently
derive more from their formal education, whether in public school or private.
ndh
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>--or faculty... we have to pay for our accounts out of our own pockets, since
>there are no funds available for network access, despite the fact that it
>contributes so much to our work...to add further insult, I wouldn't even have
>a computer in my office if I hadn't brought my own from home...yet we are
>seen (state employees) as overpaid nebishes by the general tax-paying
>public....

Not quite so bad here ...but close.  I technically have a PC (to connect
to a LAN), but as this IBM PC (not XT, just old PC) is extremely slow,
has no hard drive, old half-density floppies and since nothing in my job
*requires* me to access the LAN, I use this dog as a dumb 3270 terminal
just so I can get colors that are restful to my weary eyes...I would bring
my PC at home to work, but it is worse than this one.  As for being an
overpaid State employee........HAH!
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:16:22 -0500
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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: flipping channels
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Oh, thank you.  I was truly beginning to feel crushed by my almost first
attemp to join a conversation.  To the Ronin:  I *did* state that it was *my
 theory, but it appears that the theory has occurred to others too.
New Kid on Block (who isn't quite ready to go home yet)


On Thu, 16 Apr 1992, Nancy Harwood wrote:

> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:04:34 -0500
> From: Nancy Harwood
> Subject: Re: flipping channels
> To: Multiple recipients of list WORDS-L <WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu>
>
> >
> >         Actually, Doris' theory rings pretty true for my family.  My Dad
> > and Brother actually *fight* over the goddamned thing.  Mom and I don't
> > really watch TV (we'll sit and do cross-stitch or something in front of
> > the TV with the family, but we rarely watch it).  Baby sis watches her
> > own TV.
>
> It certainly fits mine...and I, too, sit and crochet or embroider
> in front of the set...the channels change too fast for me to *
> watch* it! :-)
> ndh
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From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: My penmanship is messy too.

Jim, the school I was in decided to do that to me, too, because I could
do second-grade work when I was 6.  That school took me out of the 1st
grade class I loved, put me into a mixed first-and-second-grade class, and
put me into the second grade.  Needless to say, I was a very unhappy and
confused little girl.  After my parents complained, I went back to first
grade, and they gave me expanded work to do.

Evelyn
From: gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Toal)
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Subject: Re: Hello again...
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:56:45 GMT
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In article <270275_0_0_0__BITNET@UTC.EDU> Jeff_KELL%ADMIN.UTC.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Jeff KELL) writes:
:MWAAHHHH HAAAAHHHH haaa haa haa ha ha... (evil chuckle...)
:I'm back!
:Network relocated and physically dislocated and otherwise mislocated...
:I'm here :-)
:
:The Curmudgeon Club rides again!
:
:/Jeff/  (temporarily) now at jeff_kell@admin.utc.edu


Phew.  Glad to have you back.  I've been keeping your seat warm
for you.  You can have it back as soon as we've dealt with this
noxious creep from the south.

G
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From:         STU DENENBERG <DENENBSA%SNYPLAVA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Bomber Crews and PhDssdnd

>Okay, Stu, *what does it mean*?
>
>(I feel like a major sucker here....)
>
>Dr. Steve


I can't say.

        Stu
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      begorrah

This talk about "faith and begob" reminds me.

At the risk of perpetrating the most inbred topic of the list,
I'll say that the Mokshagundam/Mahalingam exchange was loosely
modelled on Myles na Gopaleen's hilarious "correspondence" on
the topic of Ibsen's wig. Apparently he wrote all the letters
himself to a paper (he had something to do with the paper, perhaps
he was one of the editors).

Myles was an amazing person. He had all the original ideas about
"literary practical jokes". We abide his question.

tushar
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From:         droby%NOVA.TCS.TUFTS.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: flaming fye
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              04 Apr 92 18:13:45 CST." <9204041930.aa14430@Nova.TCS.Tufts.EDU>

Says Tushar Samant <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>:
>Bob merely said that epsilons and deltas provide continuity in a proof, not
>provide a continuity proof. I am glad that I never had any Prof who said that
>epsilons deltas were a mathematical equivalent of "er".
>
>tushar

Agreed, and I guess I didn't really hit that, though the reason I went through
that long-winded explanation was to make the point that in fact the epsilon &
delta arguments do mean something very important.

It couldn't be used as a very good stall anyway. If a person doesn't know how
he's going to start a proof and tries to use this to stall for time, he'll
only get as far as "given epsilon greater than zero, let delta equal..er..uh.."
because figuring out how to choose delta is usually the crux of the proof, and
that's probably not enough time.

- Don R
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From:         torkel%SICS.SE@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: ODDS 'N' ENDS
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              15 Apr 92 06:16:32 -0500. <9204151117.AA11592@sics.se>

  Natalie says:

  >What is being claimed?  That there is nothing wrong with changes in
  >language.

>     who is following Torkel's wishes by sticking carefully to
>     what is being said...

  Thanks! I appreciate that.
From: gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Toal)
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In article <01GIOHGI34KS95MNFL@CWU.BITNET> CHRISS%CWU.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Lobstrosities Unite) writes:
:What, did they get a special on MREs that had seen Desert Storm Action?
:Blechhhh!
:
:Chris
:
:(The dried fruit isn't too bad, but stay away from that chiken-n-rice stuff).

I used to love our rat-packs.  My nickname when I was serving in
BAOR was 'ration-rat'...  The fruit pudding was great.

G
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From:         "Aimee J. Lee" <ajl1%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN
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Are there any people on this list that is studying Russian,
has studied Russian, or is a Russian prof?  I am taking
Russian I this fall and I would like to know just how
difficult it is to learn.  My advisor thinks I can handle it,
but I personally think that he's nuts. Either he thinks I am
very smart or else very suicidal.  Probably the latter!:(

*THANKS!*
Aimee Lee
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Elvis stamp
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>
> I want the Elvis of 1955!
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Me, too...I still remember him (or rather the top half of him) on the Ed
Sullivan Show...I skipped Sunday night church to see him.
ndh
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: sad thought

Sayeth        Frank Peters <fwp@JESTER.CC.MSSTATE.EDU>

> I'm confused.  Carol said 'in order to provide a better education.' You
> appear to have translated this into something completely different
> having to do with avoiding association with those of a lesser economic
> tier.  Rather a stretching translation, I think, since she said nothing
> about avoidance or economic tiers.

     Within my posting I said that a number of the private schools
started in the South to avoid integration also claimed to be there to
provide a better education.  I was then suggesting that a large number
of the private schools in the North were started not to provide a
better education, but to segregate based on economic stature.  This is
based in part on my contacts with students from northern preps who
weren't so much better educatex as insulated.  From there I asked for
a reply about the fundamental differences between the two types of
segregation.  While I readily admit there are differences, it was my
intent to show that there are very deep similarities.

The Ronin
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From:         Rita <rita%EFF.ORG@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (39)
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> 6) T pass (Rita)

        Boston's subway system, the Massachusetts Bay Transit Authority
(MBTA) is called "The T" for short.  One of my benefits at work is that
they buy me a pass every month so that I can get on and off all busses
and trains without buying a token.  (The passes are $47, tokens are
85 cents each.  It's a deal when you ride the trains as much as I do.)


> 8) SOR method (Rita)

        Must have been Rita Leonard...else you have me confused with one
of the mathematicians or economists.  I don't know what the SOR method is.



Rita
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: tarmac rugrats
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> > Can I still come to the clambake even though I was not teased or tormented
> > as a child?
>
>      Of course.  We were speaking of childhood, and as long you
> promise you haven't left your childhood, then you are still eligible
> to be teased and/or tormented during childhood, and thus would be a
> potential victim of the the aforementioned teasing/tormenting slime
> monsters, and thus can come to the clambake.

But I've now remembered that I *was* teased during childhood!  I almost
forgot my brother.  Is it even possible to have an older brother without
being the victim of teasing?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN

>"Children" is just as redundant as "sheepses."  Is it also incorrect?

What?  "Children" is the plural of "child".  Nothing redundant about it.
*Sheepses*, while some would argue that it is a word by virtue that it is being
used as a word, is, nonetheless, redundant. "Sheep" is plural, *sheeps* is
plural, and *sheepses* is plural.  A plural of a plural of a plural is
certainly redundant.

>understand is about "their own system."
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

My English is not your English is not the whole of English.  Each user has
internalize a system of English that does not entirely match with any other
user of English.  Each user has his or her own system of English.

Chris
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From:         Rita <rita%EFF.ORG@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Pre-Clam Slam
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>So how'd it go?? Were you all surprised to find out what the others really look
>like? What did you talk about?  Fill us in! ;-)

        We'll report in tomorrow -- after we've met!!

Czarina
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From:         Jim Wright 858-8188 <JCWRIGH%CLEMSON.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: My penmanship is messy too.

I still write messy, but it's semi-legible messiness...
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Subject: Re: Swedish cake mix
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In article <WORDS-L%92041111024949@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
 BGRISSOM%UKCC.UKY.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU writes:
:>>the microscopic lines that read (skipping the dots):
:>>
:>>           Observera: tillverkaren ansvarar inte for effekten av
:>>           att ata kakor bakade med denna mix av moderliga
:>>           kvinnor aktiva i internationellt utbyte av
:>>           elektronisk post.
:>
:
:     I bothered several people about this last night.  I was in the
:     grip of the grape, but I knew that Torkel must be both making a
:     joke and imparting a lesson.  The lesson must be that even though
:     English and German are cognate or whatever, you can't get the
:     meaning from that alone.  The joke is at the expense of our own
:     Honda momma.  With a Swedish dictionary, I came up with this
:     (provisional) translation:

oops!  I had come to the opposite conclusion!  I thought it was to show
how easy it was to translate into English from cognates with English
(& German & Dutch & Scots - kvinnor was a dead giveaway :-) )

I was even starting to wonder if it were real Swedish or a mock version
like the old "Achtung Fingerpokers" skit...

Graham  (Jeg snakker ikke Svensk; Norsk, ja, men inte bra)
PS The dots are probably the circles over the As.
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Subject:      Re: food (was re: Jones)

*** Resending note of 04/08/92 22:22

>>seen people more involved with food than computer people, except for
>>Baptists. :-)

And what about Baptist Computer People!!

Don, who is on doctor ordered diet - and has lost 25 lbs so far, mostly
on Ultra-Barf.
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 10:26:50 EDT
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From:         Farudan <FDOLEZAL%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: So, Mr Fred ?
              17 Apr 1992 09:16:45 CDT from <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>

On Fri, 17 Apr 1992 09:16:45 CDT Tushar Samant said:
>Brother-in-law !!
>
>tushar

Kaaho, brotherman.  long time no sea.
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