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From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: what is Too Much Power?
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:11:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: rd.1992Nov12.221156.10283
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division

I'm of the school that the danger of power lies in the attitude of the
rider, so I'd like to point out the following to those who may not 
understand this concept:

In article <1992Nov11.112433.2454@muppet.bt.co.uk> james@muppet.bt.co.uk writes:
>Well, this may help one way or the other.  I passed my UK test (or
>tests as you have two over here before you can ride anything over
>125cc) back at the end of May this year.  The day I passed my test`
>I ripped the Learner plates of the back of my honda MTX 125 and 
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                           previous experience
>...
>Well later on that day I rode home about a mile to my London flat
>through rush hour traffic on a brand new GSXR750 WN.  By the time
>I got home I wanted my good old MTX back again.  This was nothing to
>do with all the power the bike had but the fact that I was in charge
>of 6500 pounds worth of brand new motorcycle.

cautious with new bike

>The next day I decided to bite the bullet and take it down the motorway
>to the Kent countryside where I used to live.  I figured that I would
>be a good place to get used to the bike as I knew the area really well.
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>....
>Five months and 9000 miles later I have no regrets at all about buying
>the GSXR as my first proper bike.  A GSXR is of course rather a fast
>bike and I am probably one of the more extreme cases in terms of
>going out and buying a larger CC'd bike.

I only wish he were the extreme.

>Be safe and have fun,

Well, that looks like exactly what James is doing. Keep up the good work!

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
From: labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Motowear Suit (Was: Re: Alternative uses for Aerostitch)
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:06:47 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

bergman@panix.com (Mark Bergman) writes:
: In article <1992Nov5.225521.14325@spdc.ti.com> achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach) writes:
: >In article <1dc22eINNda7@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker) writes:
: >>I finally received my latest addition to my wardrobe, a red and black
: >>Motowear suit.  It's similar to the Aerostitch, but $300.00 chaeper.
: Could you post a good description of the suit? I've got an
: Aero, and love it, but I'm lookingfor a cheaper suit for my
: (passenger) wife.

	She's not worth the cost of an Aerostitch???

				Ryan

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From: skk@gsg.pa.dec.com (Stuart Kreitman)
Subject: Rumor: Motorcycle market drying up in Livermore
Reply-To: skk@gsg.pa.dec.com (Stuart Kreitman)
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Distribution: ba
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 01:30:26 GMT


Before you flame me for posting local drivel worldwide, notice I have
"Distribution: ba" up above.

A friend from Livermore claims a half dozen bike shops have folded there,
and the one Ducati shop there has nothing but used Japanese sportbike
tradeins on the floor.  Anyone know what's up?

Stuart Kreitman
-----------------

Here's to a 1971 bsa lightning sitting in a pool of its own oil 
in Dad's garage back east.
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From: csl@swl.msd.ray.com (Scott Lilliott)
Subject: Re: Alternative uses for Aerostitch
Organization: Raytheon Company, Tewksbury, MA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:52:24 GMT

jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker) writes:



>I finally received my latest addition to my wardrobe, a red and black
>Motowear suit.  It's similar to the Aerostitch, but $300.00 chaeper.

>But that isn't the point of this.  I was wondering if any of you 
>Aerostitchers had used you suit for something other than motorcycling,
>namely skiing.  It seems perfect.  Waterproof (kinda), warm (kinda),
>easy to seal out the elements.  

>Better yet, tell me why I shouldn't use it for skiing.  It seems now
>that I can use it year round.

>-- 
>------------------------------------------------------------>DarkMan-------->
>Case Western Reserve University,  Cleveland, Ohio            DoD #650
>Anyone know where a BSME can get a job?  Available 1/93.  This is for real!

John!  Let everyone know! Is the Motowear REALLY as good as an Aero? quality?
weight? strength? Can you give details of construction? colors? padding &
reinforcements?  I can get into a suit that's $300 cheaper than Aero

IF!  IF!  IF!

it's as good/better? than an Aero ...

I'm sure more than a couple of us are interested!

S.

-- 
#   Scott Lilliott - csl@swl.msd.ray.com 
 #  AMA #600897                  "Countersteering is like benchracing.  
#   DoD #0227                     A bunch of posers standing around
 #  INOA #8563                    the parts counter lying about all the
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From: duncan@bcrka466.bnr.ca (Ross Duncan)
Subject: Re: Finally! I have it!
Reply-To: duncan@bcrka466.bnr.ca (Ross Duncan)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:11:29 GMT

I agree there are lots of neat things to add to the FLHS.

The reason I am getting a 92 FLHS in 93 is that it is a
demo bike and my dealer only got it in September. He agreed to
hold it til spring with a deposit.

I think the first thing I will add is the passenger backrest.
Then maybe the Tour Pack. Then chrome thingys.

It's amazing hoe versatile those bikes seem to be.

Can't wait til spring!! Only 6 months to go!!!

Ross
DoD #1141
1976 Kawasaki KZ200
1991 Kawasaki VULCAN 750
1992 Harley-Davidson FLHS (Spring of 1993)
From: vlm@sei.cmu.edu (Vickie McKay)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: XLH vs Big Twin
Keywords: proper riding attire/accidents
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:59:16 GMT
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute


In article <sezuawC00WAE40TEhA@andrew.cmu.edu>, John Makel <jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> Well, as it turns out the kid went down
|> at speeds in excess of 80mph(slow for you rocket riders isn't it?)
|> and totaled the ride out. 

I am new to this group, and this is my first post.  I just thought I would
share this with you...

This summer I had my first experience knowing what it feels like to body surf
at 65 miles per hour down Interstate 70. (Smithton, PA)  My best friend, who
has been riding Harleys over 25 years (a very experienced rider might I add)
and I (laid his bike down after some KIDS in a Camero rear-ended us!  All I
remember was that I saw sparks flying from his bike and at that time realized
that we were off his bike.  (It happened so fast!)  The Camero never stopped.
(It was about 11:30 p.m.)  We had to have flown through the air at least 30
feet and slid maybe another 15 feet coming to a slamming hault.  We were the
lucky ones...we were able to walk away with few injuries.  We came VERY close
to the guard rail.  I skinned both my knees.  (as I rode my friend's back most
of the way.) I also had a blood clot on my ovary, which I later had surgery
for 2 weeks later.  My friend seared off 2 of the snaps on his helmet as well
as tearing a huge hole in the front of his leather jacket and a medium sided
hole his leftarm/elbow.  He also tore his knees up a good bit.  The worst part
of this accident was that  my friend's '91 Low Rider was totaled!! *OUCH!!*


|>Isn't it odd that although
|> there are lines drawn a Harley rider and the  others that there are
|> still clowns out there improperly dressed, driving so fast that there
|> is little time to enjoy the ride, isn't that what it is all about?

Point well taken, John...
I used to be one of those clowns who would go riding with my ex-husband (he
was not an ex at that time) wearing only a bathing suit, shorts, and flip
flops (and NO HELMET...*no helmet laws in Ohio*)  Boy was I crazy!! ( I could
have been seriously injured or killed if I would have had an accident!!)
Since moving back to PA, my besy friend had educated me on the proper riding
attire as well as respect for the bike and road.  (I have also upgraded myself
from riding rice burners to riding an American bikes...Harleys...*smile*) <My
father worked at US Steel years ago...everything in our house had to be
American made no flames, please>  

At any rate...You can be the most experienced rider out there and it doesn't
mean squat.  Accidents happen whether they are your fault or not.  The public
needs to be educated about bikes/riders. 

I really enjoy riding.  It's like clean, good "fix" for me.  There is nothing
in the world like it.  

Happy "safe" riding everyone!!!

- Vickie
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From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: Finally! I have it!
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 22:15:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.151129.5614@bcrka451.bnr.ca> duncan@bcrka466.bnr.ca (Ross Duncan) writes:
>I agree there are lots of neat things to add to the FLHS.
>
>The reason I am getting a 92 FLHS in 93 is that it is a
>demo bike and my dealer only got it in September. He agreed to
>hold it til spring with a deposit.
>
>I think the first thing I will add is the passenger backrest.
>Then maybe the Tour Pack. Then chrome thingys.
>
>It's amazing hoe versatile those bikes seem to be.


Yeah, verily!  The versatility of these things just abounds!

Just consider all the things that you can do with one, to wit:

  *.  There's a place for a passenger backrest, no less!
  *.  There's also a way to add a "Tour Pack" <??>.
  *.  There's also lots of places to add chrome things, that:
        A.  make it go faster <??>
        B.  don't make it go faster.
        C.  slow it down.
        D.  make protrusions on which to gore oneself while/during road slides.
        E.  make protrusions with which to gore other people.
  *.  This bike also can be ridden 6 months from now when spring gets here.

Yup. yup.  sure is versatile!


>
>Can't wait til spring!! Only 6 months to go!!!
>
>Ross
>DoD #1141
>1976 Kawasaki KZ200
>1991 Kawasaki VULCAN 750
>1992 Harley-Davidson FLHS (Spring of 1993)


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers 411, BK Ohio V
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff

            {  Friends don't let friends ride <fill in blank> }

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From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: Get your wallets out...
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 21:49:54 GMT


>I've been told that, at least on a softail, you can improve the ride
>quality drastically by putting on after-market US-made shocks.
>This begs the question of why H-D doesn't use them in the first place,
>I guess.


>-- 
>-
>-John H. Osborn 

         A major factor is volume. There are a number of suppliers
of excelent aftermarket parts that are American owned and operated
and have their entire operation in the USA, but they just aren't
big enough to handle OEM quantities and are unable (or unwilling to
take the risk) to get financing to expand enough to handle it. At
the same time, large manufacturers find it too costly to setup a
special line for the current volume required by Harleys current
rate of production.
     A good example is the Bendix carb used through early '76. It
was first developed for automotive use, and when the market for
high air flow side draft carbs began to wain, they couldn't
afford to supply only Harley and overseas bike manufacturers,
especially those in the far east, won't (or are forbiden to) buy
imported parts, even if they are the best available.


Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        "Sony, if you'd ride a Henderson instead of that
         peashooter, you could be up front there and then
         you wouldn't have to keep wipin' the mud off yer
         goggles"
                        Grandmother, to Ralph DePalma, 1939
=====================================================================
From: garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: XLH vs Big Twin
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:47:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: rice.BxGsAx.I30
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Rice University

In article <1992Nov9.183000.17243@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com writes:
>In article <1992Nov7.224723.1623@msus1.msus.edu> stafford@msus1.msus.edu writes:
>|2) Do not compare sportys to japanese bikes because $ for $ the
>|japanese bikes perform better in every regard.   So be it.  Look
>|back on this statement 10 years from today if you buy a jap bike
>|and are looking for parts.  You loose if you don't have the Sporty.
>
>  For that matter, I know of sporty-riding friends that have had trouble
>getting parts, so its not as easy as you imply.
>
I'm not entirely convinced by either of these statements; for most bikes 
excepting possibly certain euro-bikes, or *really* older machines, if you 
live in a fairly large urban area with more than one dealer for your 
particular marque, you shouldn't have that much trouble getting parts. 

For the record, my Honda is 11 years old and I've *never* had any trouble 
when it comes to getting parts for it.

Dave

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<+>Rice University, Houston, TX	  	valence.''			   <+>
<+>garrett@math.rice.edu				-Richard Farina	   <+>
<+>'81 Honda CB750/836F	    Rice University has no opinions.               <+>
<+>	   		    These are *mine*.				   <+>
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From: dellis@Auspex.COM (David Ellis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: I got mine finally to
Keywords: HARLY
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:16:52 GMT

Thursday night I went and picked up mine. 
she's a "74" FXE  1200
kind of weird going thru the gears though

1 up  3 down   hard to get used to   

it's a step up from my "74" sporty

keep'em upright
	  
-- 
Dave Ellis                If it's FREE I'll take it..   
dellis@auspex.com         If it's AMERICAN I'll buy it.
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Riviera 4 valve heads
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:47:18 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1992Nov9.210904.18631@engage.pko.dec.com>, dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn) writes:

| Yea, I think it'll turn a Big Twin harley into a Jap bike. All power, no
| torque. My motor revs to 8 grand although it's undercammed to
| redline at 7 grand for the street. Why give up the torque for another
| 1,000 rpm? The torque is what beats the jap bikes. 
| 
| As for 100hp at the wheel, that's easy. More is possible. When mine
| hits the dyno I'll let you know.

  The answer to power is airflow. You can get more by better head, more
cam, higher rpm, more inches, supercharger or turbocharger. Better
heads, more inches, and pressure aspiration all leave the bike pleasant
to drive on the street. The supercharger delivers more boost at low rpm,
so it will make little engines feel big, but might be overkill on a
large engine.

  The old saying was "you can't beat cubic inches," but I think "you
can't beat careful inve$tment" would be closer to the truth. It's all a
case of how fast can you afford to go.
-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
    Keyboard controller has been disabled, press F1 to continue.
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: XLH vs Big Twin
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:03:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: research.1992Nov10.030324.15160
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.

In article <BxGsAx.I30@rice.edu> garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett) writes:
>for most bikes 
>excepting possibly certain euro-bikes, or *really* older machines, if you 
>live in a fairly large urban area with more than one dealer for your 
>particular marque, you shouldn't have that much trouble getting parts. 
>
>For the record, my Honda is 11 years old and I've *never* had any trouble 
>when it comes to getting parts for it.

	My Honda is 18 years old, and I had to wait a week for the carb
rebuild parts.  My Harley is 10 years old, and many, but not all, parts
will be found in stock.  The Yamaha I began riding on was 11 years old
at the time, and the damn shop I went to had to back order every goddamn
fastener I asked for.  It depends a lot on the shop.  I think you'll do
better, parts wise, on a foreign bike if you go through an independent
mechanic.  Dealers always seem to take two weeks.

YMMV,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114  KotHLF  1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike

Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC agree with any of this anyway?
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From: lawrence@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Lawrence H. Smith,E20 Clark,56064,2726746)
Subject: Re: 39mm Fork Relief
Originator: lawrence@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:53:11 GMT

From article <1992Nov11.203214.16571@stortek.com>, by terryg@stortek.com (Terry Gottehrer x4943):
> Paul Blumstein (paulb@harley.tti.com) wrote:
> : So, ya got 39mm forks, huh?  Ya do ya own maintenance, huh?

> I thought about caps with threaded holes. Didn't the Harley engineers
> ever change the fork oil in the labs? If they did, they would have 
> thought of the threaded hole idea a long time ago.

Why sure, but they dealt with it by designing a special-purpose-tool to 
clamp to the fork leg and compress the cap down with a screw, in all 
likleyhood. Probably only $300. After all, such a tool is handy for when
you replace springs or dissassemble forks, where a threaded hole won't 
help; and your Well Equipped mechanic will have it handy to use for fork
oil changes too....
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From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Subject: Re: Riviera 4 valve heads
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:05:10 GMT

--

In article <1992Nov9.164134.2739@icomsim.com>, mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael
Mannning) writes:
|>Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
|>Path:
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|>From: mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Mannning)
|>Subject: Re: Riviera 4 valve heads
|>Message-ID: <1992Nov9.164134.2739@icomsim.com>
|>Sender: usenet@icomsim.com (USENET News System)
|>Organization: Icom Simulations
|>Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:41:34 GMT
|>Lines: 44
|>
|>This is the first time that I've been accused of being a "poseur" for wanting
|>an accelerator pump. Next I'll be called a WEAKLING, doormat, invertebrate,
|>jellyfish, milksop, Milquetoast, mollycoddle, namby-pamby, sissy, sop for
|>using my clutch.
|>
|>--
|>mmanning@icomsim.com
|>
|>`92 FLSTF Fat Boy
|>`92 Ducati 900SS
|>

Clutch? What's that? You mean you don't have an air shifter? You girly-mon!!!

8^)

Sorry for the lack of smileys on the last post. The point I was making was that
the S&S 'B' and 'D' carbs are fine carbs that work exceedingly well. The 
accelerator pump does not improve performance to any significant degree, IME
Vroom-vroom is not performance.

CdH

<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
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Subject: Re: honda 4 sale :)  :)
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 13 Nov 92 09:21:33 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <BxLzsA.Cxq@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, lahg8287@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lisa
A. Haynes) wrote:
> 
> [...] is there
>  anyway to take these things off, or do i need to get new mirrors and gas cap
>  and air cleaner cover....


Ideally, you would an infrared heat lamp to warm the part then carefully
peel off the emblem.  You can use a hot-hot hair dryer or carefully apply
a propane torch to the part (not too hot.)  Then to get the adhesive off,
you can use acetone or carb cleaner (not brake cleaner.)  An auto shop
can tell you what solvents work best.

Congrats.  Yea, get that crap off the bike!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: 39mm Fork Relief
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:05:52 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <1992Nov11.012546.5412@ttinews.tti.com>, paulb@harley.tti.com
(Paul Blumstein) wrote:
> 
> Anyway, they got for caps with threaded holes in them.  And,
> there are allen head screws fitted in these holes.  So, when
> you change oil, you just remove the screws, add a funnel & pour.

Isn't it nice that Harley discovered something the rest of us
have been doing for years?  Like the oil drain tube.  
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From: groh@omicron.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh)
Subject: Re: XLH vs Big Twin
Reply-To: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 14:27:49 GMT

In article <10NOV199216301278@erich.triumf.ca> felske@erich.triumf.ca (FELSKE, WAYNE W.) writes:
>
>> 
>>|>Isn't it odd that although
>>|> there are lines drawn a Harley rider and the  others that there are
>>|> still clowns out there improperly dressed, driving so fast that there
>>|> is little time to enjoy the ride, isn't that what it is all about?
>> 
>> (I have also upgraded myself
>>from riding rice burners to riding an American bikes...Harleys...*smile*) 
>> 
>>I really enjoy riding.  It's like clean, good "fix" for me.  There is nothing
>>in the world like it.
>
>    1 
>        Sportsters are not close to a Big Twin. Nor are they close to a rice
>rocket. They are thier own and unique. No, not as comfy as a low rider, but
>faster and more responsive. Not as fast as a FXR, but more comfy.
  BZZZT! Wrong answer, look at the specs, the 1200 sporty is the fastest
  HD out of the box.  My tweeked 1200 will eat up anything (with in the 
  Harley family that is) but a 96" stroker.


>    Wayne Felske      Still surviving the streets of Vancouver.
-- 
Jim Groh     groh@sig.cs.fsu.edu  | DoD #0356  |   Hog# 0437643 |new  improved
1959 XLH 900  **  1982 FXR  **  1989 XLH 883  **  1990 XLH 1200 | smaller sig
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From: garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett)
Subject: Re: Riviera 4 valve heads
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Rice University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 18:35:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.011018.3973@tcsi.com> markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer) writes:

>achieveable.  I think the upper bound for a streetable large
>displacement twin is over 100 HP/liter at the rear wheel (the fastest
>Ducatis).  Any thoughts?

Very much over. In the new Cycle Spews, Alan Cathcart tests Doug Polen's 
Superbike. I believe it puts out 135 HP, but that's probably at the crank. 
Still, I can't see a frictional loss of ~35 HP between the crank and the 
rear wheel.

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<+>garrett@math.rice.edu				-Richard Farina	   <+>
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