From: ag807@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Wolf)
Subject: ARRL Auto HF Ban
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 14:15:17 GMT


 
      In an attempt as unifying what is believed to be a wide displeasure
over the ARRL's proposed ban on automatic forwarding, we in Ohio are trying
to form a unified response to the ARRL proposal.  It is proposed that we drop
support of the routing of ARRL materials in the deletion of the ARRL flood
routing.
      If you support the digital committee's recommendations:  Please do not
expect a response to a line-by-line dissection of our efforts.  We have
nothing to loose nor is there bargaining to be done.  You have us cornered
with what most perceive as a "done-deal".
      IF YOU DO NOT SUPPORT THE DIGITAL COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATIONS:  Please
DO consider doing something other than complaining.
73,
Steve, NO8M @ NO8M.OH.USA.NA
      
 
 
 
SP SYSOP @ ALLOH < NO8M $36216_NO8M
Auto HF/Time For a Statement?
R:920721/1840z @:NO8M.#NEOH.OH.USA.NA North Olmsted #:36216 Z:44070
 
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    A PROPOSAL TO ALL OHIO SYSOPS TO HELP IN MAKING A JOINT STATEMENT
TO THE ARRL REGARDING ITS CURRENT INTENTION TO BAN AUTOMATED HF FORWARDING
 
 
    Ohio is heavily involved in HF forwarding.  Joe, AD8I, is a STAed
station and forwards to many, many stations.  WA8BXN is also STAed and
also participates in a tremendous amount of forwarding.  We have the
WB8APD APLINK which keeps us linked to Europe.  Another new APLINK is W7IJ
near Cleveland.  There are many of us that participate in the non-STAed
semiautomatic forwarding both inside our area and to far distant places.
 
    In ARRL Bulletin 58 the Digital Committee moved to do away with
automated HF forwarding.  The reasoning was due to their dislike for HF
packet.  It was obvious that were it in their jurisdiction, they would
have recommended banning HF packet all together.
 
    It was hoped that at the July ARRL Board of Director's meeting there
would come some support for fully automated HF forwarding.  That hope was
dashed when bulletin 68 indicated that they intended to move to ban
automated forwarding.
 
    This will likely force both AD8I and WA8BXN to abandon HF forwarding. 
My discussions with other STAed Sysops indicate that they will also
abandon support of the HF nets.
 
    This will put pressure on the rest of us as many times our HF forwarding
would most efficiently be done when we are not around.  (As an example, I
need 80 meters to get home when camping and do NOT want to get up at
5:30am, when the band is open, to get it!)
 
    We looked for support from the ARRL but found none.
 
    This problem is due to our voice not being heard in Newington.  There
is a solution to this.  We can find other outlets for our message.
 
    Were the State of Ohio to abandon support of both the ARRL routing and
support of forwarding of ARRL bulletins, the ARRL would be forced back
into a position of not having a ready outlet for publicizing its affairs. 
The Ohio membership would be relegated (again) to listening to HF or
reading a magazine printed months ago.  Perhaps we can also garner support
from the Amateur related land-line bulletin boards.
 
    We would adjust our support of the ARRL to that they are giving us.
 
    A unified message would be carried outside of the ARRL network that Ohio
was willing to make a statement to this Committee, to Newington and to
those who are elected to run this organization.
 
    Support of this action is simply support of those who have been carrying
our messages for many years.  It is support of those who we never get to
thank.
 
    Would you support the suspension of the carrying of ARRL bulletins on
your PBBS to help this cause?
 
    Please reply to Steve, NO8M @ NO8M.  I will determine the results and
send another Sysop message in a week or so.
 
THANKS IN ADVANCE!
73,
Steve
 
AD8I, WB8JUI, KA8CNI, KA8Z, WA8GUG, KC8TW, K8SCH, WB8NQW, N8JYV, W8CQK,
KD8JR, WB8BII, W8BI, W8BI-2, N8ACV, NC8Q, KF8LB, N8FIS, WD8EJC, NG8P,
KF8BN, KA8DRR, WA8BXN, WX7C, N8JSF, W8WE, N8KGN, N8JNR, KB8GVW, N8KJT,
KB8AST, WB8LVP, WA8WNI, N8APU, W8GRG, W8HHF, N8LWG, N8MRX, W8FW, WA8ZWJ,
KB8EIY, WB8APD, KC8JN, N4GBM, WB8LYF, N8NEJ, W7IJ
 
YES, WILL SUPPORT   :  NO8M
 
NO, WILL NOT SUPPORT:
 
Total PBBS systems (from N8FIS's list):  48
 
 
 
SP SYSOP @ ALLOH < NO8M $36578_NO8M
Dropping ARRL Flood .. So Far
R:920723/0917z @:NO8M.#NEOH.OH.USA.NA North Olmsted #:36578 Z:44070
 
 
     In the first two days, 10 stations have responded that they
would support the dropping of the flood.  One station indicated
that they would not support it.  This one station will join us
should the support for the issue continue.
 
     Concern has been expressed in three areas.
 
     The first is with the possibility of loosing sensitive,
important ARRL floods.  We will support the flooding of these
important ARRL bulletins.
 
     The second is that we would only hurt the users.  Very few
ARRL bulletins are seen as "important" information.  Look over the
ones you have.  You would have to agree that most are ticklers for
future QST articles that will tell more about a subject.
 
     The last is the concern that working within the system has not
been tried.  Mike, WA8BXN, Dave, WB8APD and I met with Al, AB8P,
our ARRL Great Lakes Division Director and Dave, N8AUH, our Ohio
Section Manager.  Our meeting ended with Al expressing his desire
to see some form of automated forwarding be included in any
rulemaking.  He went to Newington supporting us.  From what I have
learned through messages to other parts of the country, there was
one other Director on our side and another who was willing to
consider our needs.  That was not enough.  We have indeed tried the
system.
 
     This has all the appearances of being a "done-deal".  Sysops
have not made their position known.  Newington believes we support
this action; we are giving our tacit consent by our silence.
 
     38 stations are left to reply.
 
     Do you approve of the Digital Committee's ban?  If you do not
agree, why do you sit and do nothing?  Help us, please!
 
 
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