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From: mbrodesky@sc9
Subject: Reloading a throw away Camera
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:09:13 GMT

Once again, Kodak and Fuji throw away cameras can be reused by
you. The panoramic ones do not use any special film. 

	Step to reuse:
	1. take cardboard container off.
        2. open camera with dime or screwdriver.
        3. pop out old roll of film.
        4. look at the number counter on the camera
           it will be on 0, On the Kodak cameras there is a hole to the
           left of the shutter switch. Looking in the whole you will see
           a brass colored piece of metal. With a paperclip or screw
           driver push it to the left. It will stay in this position.
        5. Now look at the back of the camera, at the top right will be
           a large gear, to the left and above it, will be the film
           counter dial. With a widget rotate this until the highest
           number on the dial shows up.
        6. The camera is now ready for loading. Finda dark room.
        7. make sure you are loading the same amount of exposure film
           as the number indicates on the camera.
        8. put the new roll in the camera, Now slowly pull out the film
           from the new roll and wind on the plastic spool that comes
           with the camera. You can also do this by just winding the
           film onto the spool outside the camera(better technique).
        9. Once all the film is rolled onto the spool, load back into
           the camera, and make sure camera spockets fit into film.
        10. Put back of camera on clicking all the plastic tabs.
        11. Now either put it back in the cardboard box and reseal or
            put rubberbands around the camera to protect it during
            falls.
        
        This whole procedure should take less than 5 minutes.



michael


     
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From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Subject: Re: What happened to REI?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 17:37:19 GMT


Well, there are people out there who (perish the thought) who
might venture outdoors in a non-stylish mode.
  I count myself as one of them..
-- 
Ted....
Xref: sparky rec.climbing:3063 rec.backcountry:6266
From: gdw@moose.cccs.umn.edu (Gavin Watt)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing,rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Flashbulbs (was: Public Perceptions)
Keywords: Waterproof Cameras Recycling
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:16:39 GMT
Reply-To: gdw@moose.cccs.umn.edu (Gavin Watt)
Organization: CCCS -- UofMinnesota


In article <1992Aug11.002109.4640@PA.dec.com>, klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken
Lee) writes:

>
>|> hmmmmmm... Somehow, shooting backcountry landscapes with a throw-away 
>|> camera strikes me as a picture of irony (yeah, pun intended).
>|> 
>|> How do those things work?  Do they recycle them when they pull the
>|> film out or do they just throw 'em on the heap?
>
>They are advertised as "recyclable".  In the past, most were discarded,
>but many are probably recycled now.  I don't know if "recycled" really
>means the plastic is used to make more cameras.  Very little "recycled"
>plastic is actually remade into similar products.  Most is simply 
>shredded and used as packaging filler.
>
>-- 
>Ken Lee

According to the folks at the photo shop I use you can re-load the
Panorama yourself.  I asked for mine back just to see what it looked
like.  It cracks open.  You need to do the re-load in a darkroom because
the film takeup is  backwards -- from the spool back into the can.  A 24
exposure roll of 200 ASA is what's needed to yield 12 shots.  They also
suggested light sealing the seam with black electrical tape.  Haven't
tried this yet -- keep forgetting.

Also there was an earlier thread about water tolerant cameras.  We have
a Kodak Explorer which has given good canoe camping/ fishing /all round
service for 4 years.  It is
simple,fixed lens, built in flash, rubberized so a bit heavy.   Main
un-feature is that it drains the batteries in ~4 hours if the on-off
switch is left in the flash position.  We exceded it water-tightness
last month when in a fit of bravado I threw it off a 5 metre cliff into
the water below so we could take cliff-diving action shots.  The camera
took on water, the film got wet and the electronics ceased to function.
The film was removed in a darkroom and I dried the open camera out by
roasting on the vent of my CRT and it works fine now.     
-- G. 920818.1113CDT
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Subject: Re: emergency techniques In article 307@halfdome.sf.ca.us, 
From: mtemple@calstatela.edu (Mark Temple 12-10-90)
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:37:28 PDT
Reply-To: mtemple@calstatela.edu
Distribution: world
Organization: Cal State University, Los Angeles

bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Bob Pasker) writes:
> In article <5045@gold.gvg.tek.com>, jimd@pequod.gvg.tek.com (Jim Delwiche) writes:
> > It would be a good thing if the new generation of climbers was taught
> > the body belay, if for no other reason than the chance of a dropped
> > belay appliance.  
> 
> new climbers should be taught all the traditional techniques that were 
> developed before modern technology made our lives so much easier.  its 
> easy enough to go down to the store and buy some matches when you run out,
> but its another thing to rappel when your descender has just fallen and hit
> your partner on the head, knocking him out.  fancy devices are no substitute
> for an understanding of friction.
> 
> -- 
> -- bob pasker
 -- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
>

Not just new climbers, I've known "veterans" who never used a knotted runner 
for pro, or even a 'biner break for repel.

Off to the valley to do the prow in two weeks :-)

  mark temple
  mtemple@calstatela.edu
From: bozek@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: glaciers w/ glasses
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:20:44 GMT

     Julbo is a brand that is made in France, I think. Not cheep but they
do come with prescrition lenses. Round or tear drop. I know someone who has
the round version that fits over his regular glasses. I don't need 
prescriptions but here's a good testimonial. Working the chairlift, ski 
patol getting off for the last run, and I finally walked right into a 
chair after 4 years. LOTS of stars!
    The lenses didn't break, but one got lost in the snow. I'm sold.

 Shouldn't be hard to find.
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From: eric@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Hirst)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: CNN has brief segment of Brewer's Ledge Treadwall
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:50:54 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

FQV@psuvm.psu.edu (jim bowers) writes:

>CNN today is doing a health club segment that starts out with a shot
>of a girl climbing on the Treadwall.  If you haven't seen on of these
>bizarre contraptions this is a good chance.

That's nothing.  Anybody can climb clean plastic on a rotating conveyer
belt.  Here in Seattle, all the hardcore mountaineers work out in their
new patented Scree Tumblers (tm), which are basically big refrigerated
revolving drums full of tumbling talus and ice chunklets.  Deluxe models
douse the climber with wind-driven rain and snow and are pressure regulated
to simulate the effects of altitude.  I should add that cairn-kicking is
strictly prohibited inside these devices.

>                                  Jim Bowers

Eric Hirst
eric@milton.u.washington.edu
From: cranch@novell.com (Christopher Ranch)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: Stupid quotes
Keywords: stupid
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:02:46 GMT
Followup-To: rec.climbing
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia

In article <1992Aug12.051011.29127@unixg.ubc.ca> goldberg@unixg.ubc.ca (Goldberg Andrew) writes:
>
>	HELP.  I've fallen and I can't get up.
>
>			- Mrs. Fletcher

	HELP.  I've tripped and I can't come down.

			- heard at a dead show
---
Chris Ranch
Internetworking Products Division
Novell, Inc.  San Jose, CA
(408)473-8667  cranch@novell.com
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From: rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner)
Subject: Re: shasta
Reply-To: rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:07:42 GMT

In article <170to2INN927@agate.berkeley.edu> stanford@spark (Adam Stanford) writes:
>I'm interested in climbing Mt. Shasta, sometime next month.  My
>experience is limited to a lot of trail backpacking trips, and
>recommend a route to the top which is (relatively) easy, or an
>organization which guides trips to the top?

I've personally only been on the north/east slope of the mountain, and the
snow/ice climbing itself is not difficult or particularly dangerous.  I
DON'T recommend doing the north side, though.  It is an extremely trying
approach, with some of the most rugged landscape I've ever seen.  Huge
volcanic (duh) boulders jumbled together with knarly tree/bushes growing
in any space dirt has accumulated.  I can't overemphasize the difficulty here.

However, while I was doing this route my brother was doing the standard
route, which is on the south.  Crampons and at least a single ice tool
are required.  It's apparently a very popular route, so you should be able
to find it with no problem.  He told me that there is at least one spot
where the exposure is pretty serious.  There's a shop where you can rent
ice gear and probably pick up a map and some pointers nearby (it is on the
way to the ski area).
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Bob Pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: Known details of Cathedral accident (additions/changes) to Morton
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:40:22 PDT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <1992Aug19.181307.27758@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>So question: would YOU call this equipment failure or human error?

these are not mutually exclusive.  rarely is an accident the result of
a single failure (human or equipment), but a series of failures that 
act in concert.  in the case where pro zippers down a crack, the failure 
might be attributed to the first piece having broken (mech. failure), 
the climber not noticed the problem (microfracture), and an improper
placement below (human error).

its possible that a broken piece of pro could hold a fall if it is placed
properly, so its not always possible to attribute the cause of the pieces'
having held to its intactness.  conversely, an intact piece that was placed
improperly may still hold.  

i suggest, then, that accidents are a confluence of problems, not a single
failure.

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: area info. sought;  THE PIE SHOP, NV
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:34:14 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <0095EF78.794D22A0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> uchpcjv@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
>Has anyone heard of a small crag known as "The Pie Shop"?  I think it's near
>Reno, NV or near Truckee/Donner.  Please Email if you have infotainment about
>this area -- thanks in advance.  Jim Vivian, Bozeman, MT

There is a guidebook published for the Tahoe area, which as I recall talks
about this crag.


-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Please explain the rating system
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 03:50:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.080657.11720@draco.macsch.com>
todd@draco.macsch.com (Todd C. Williams) writes:
>I don't think it's that difficult.  Ever read the qualitative descriptions
>of the Richter scale?  Can't we even begin to describe what a *typical*
>5.9 would be?  One example- at what level do overhangs typically begin?
>
>Todd Williams    UNIX Systems Coordinator     todd@macsch.com    (213) 259-4973
>MacNeal-Schwendler Corp. ("MSC")

I have Richter here in front of me....
Please explain.  I'll read along.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: mlord@bmers63.bnr.ca (Mark Lord)
Subject: Re: Known details of Cathedral accident (additions/changes) to Morton
Organization: BNR, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 20:00:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.181307.27758@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>
>So question: would YOU call this equipment failure or human error?

Beyond any doubt, I would not hesitate to call it *human error*.

WARNING:  soapbox alert!  I repeat, SOAPBOX ALERT!

As climbers who enjoy the sport, I also feel that this is the *only* response
we could ever possibly give to such a question, if we wish to continue to
practice our sport indefinitely, free from regulation.

Even if an accident such as this involved failed/broken equipment,
the real failure is always ourselves for having used/trusted that gear
in that particular circumstance (or having failed to retreat if we did
not trust the gear) in that particular circumstance.  If we are not
comfortable with that level of risk, I feel that we should take up
lawn bowling (or poker) and forget about climbing.

To label the primary cause of an accident as "equipment failure" can be
very damaging to the future of climbing, as the inevitable outcome will
be more lawsuits, higher gear pricing, more restricted access, and much
greater regulation of who climbs what, where, when and even how.

Stepping down now..
From: joep@achilles.lpl.Arizona.EDU (Joe Plassmann)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: Stupid quotes
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:14:10 GMT
Reply-To: joep@asgard.lpl.arizona.edu
Organization: Lunar and Planetary Laboratory - West


A friend of mine heard this one from some sport climbers working a route
last year, 
we still use it when we get into wierd moods:

"Hey dude, don't shake on the grade, or you're gonna slap rude and sail!"

-- 
Joe Plassmann, Systems Programmer   | Internet:
joep@asgard.lpl.arizona.edu
909-A Gould Simpson                 |          
plassmann@looney.lpl.arizona.edu
Lunar and Planetary Laboratory-West | SPAN:     LOONEY::PLASSMANN
Tucson AZ 85721                     | phone:    (602)-621-8183
From: klox@otago.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Hueco Tanks, Red Rocks and Mexico in Nov and Dec
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:58:59 GMT
Organization: University of Otago

Mad Kiwi on the loose, looking for mobile climbing partner, leads 5.11

Anyone Keen?

KLox

Computer Support
University Of Otago
Dunedin, New Zealand
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From: AS.MSW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Marc Whitney)
Subject: Re: Why 5.7 is harder than 5.10 (was ratings)
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:59:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.232652.22233@nas.nasa.gov>,
eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.032652.8094@morrow.stanford.edu>
>AS.MSW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Marc Whitney) writes:
>>There is a certain wicked humor in watching one of the aforesaid
>>5.10 (and up) climbers experience one of Yosemite's clasic 5.6
>>chimneys for the first time.  Heh, heh, snicker, snicker.
>
>True.
>
>I needt not be a chimney, just a nice solid jam (fingers, hands, fist...)
>You'd get the cries that there are just no holds [on the face].
>Then you retry the lead and get excellent, clean, finger locks or fists.
>
>The newbie should be given the benefit of a doubt.  Several fine climbers
>of the past were told they would never amount to much after their first
>climbs (Harding, Powell, others).  It's great finding a talent.  Just
>make certain you take them on short climbs, first.
>
Newbie:  "MY GOD.  I think my toe bones are being crushed!"
Old F---t:  "Sounds like you gat a good jamb. Go for it."
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Re: Please explain the rating system
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:30:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.080657.11720@draco.macsch.com>, todd@draco.macsch.com (Todd C. Williams) writes:
 
> I don't think it's that difficult.  Ever read the qualitative descriptions
> of the Richter scale?  Can't we even begin to describe what a *typical*
> 5.9 would be?  One example- at what level do overhangs typically begin?

I don't think this works.  There are overhangs and then there are overhangs.
There is an overhanging 5.4 route in the Flatirons -- big buckets make it
easy.  There is a deceptively teeny 5.7 overhang on Cozyhang which I had
to be hauled over (one of my first climbs).  There is the overhang I 
described in a previous post, on the 5.8 Twofers, which I found physically
easy (but psychologically challenging) and, I speculated, would be more
difficult for taller people.  I have looked at an overhanging 5.12 and
shuddered.

Here again is the excerpt from my perceptions of the rating system:

As far as fifth class routes go:  5.0 - 5.5 are typically "beginner"
climbs that a first-time climber can do (with an experienced leader and
adequate instruction);  5.6 - 5.7 is about the maximum that a casual
beginner climber can do without specific climbing techniques;  5.8 - 5.9
generally require quite a bit of technique and practice (although one
can sometimes substitute sheer strength) -- this is, I think, the level of 
most experienced but casual climbers.  Starting at 5.10, the ratings are 
further broken down into a, b, c, d such that 5.10a is the easiest (but 
still harder than 5.9) and 5.10d the hardest.  The change in level of 
difficulty between 5.10a and 5.10b is comparable to that between 5.8 and 5.9.  

Climbs at the 5.10 and harder levels require increasingly greater strength,
balance, technique, and guts;  experienced climbers who climb a lot are
often at the 5.10 - 5.11 levels.  To quote a book I glanced at once (if I
could remember the author, I'd give him credit):  5.10:  imaginary holds.
5.11:  imaginary climbs.  5.12:  not for mere mortals.  This book was
written before 5.13 and 5.14 routes were done, but I'm sure you can extend
the metaphor in your minds adequately to appreciate just how difficult
the hardest of the hard climbs are.


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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing,rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Flashbulbs (was: Public Perceptions)
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:15:11 GMT
Followup-To: rec.climbing
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Aug11.125914.25284@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> nelsonm@erc1.ecn.purdue.edu (Mark J Nelson) writes:
|>
|Regarding single-use cameras:
|>
|>There are three (I think) models:  a normal "damn I forgot the camera
|>but still want to take pictures of the kids" version, a panoramic
|>version that shoots 3x10's instead of 3x5's, and one that is encased
|>in plastic and is weather and waterproof to a certain (shallow) depth.

I'm curious about the third variety.  I do a lot of fishing that involves
quite a bit of wading.  Most of the time I'm also fishing catch and release
so I'd like to have a camera that I can take a picture of the nicer fish
that I might catch.  A small camera that I could carry in my fishing vest
and not have to worry about getting wet would be real nice.  How's the 
quality of these cameras.
-- 
+============================================================================++
| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
+============================================================================++
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: jhr@cs.utah.edu (John H. Rose)
Subject: Re: Stupid quotes
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:45:02 MDT
Keywords: stupid
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept


Okay. I'm not strictly following, "Mantle OR...", but...

Mantle the shelf, or hurt yourself.

____________________________________________________________________________
One who does field-tests of climbing equipment ratings.
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From: marlatt@spot.Colorado.EDU (Stuart W. Marlatt)
Subject: Re: emergency techniques (was Re: Cathedral Pk. Accident, Yosemite)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:47:03 GMT

In article <27324@sophia.inria.fr> luong@sophia.inria.fr writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.144727.307@halfdome.sf.ca.us>, bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Bob Pasker) writes:
>
>|> new climbers should be taught all the traditional techniques that were 
>|> developed before modern technology made our lives so much easier. 
>
>I agree entirely.
>
>|> but its another thing to rappel when your descender has just fallen and hit
>|> your partner on the head, knocking him out.  fancy devices are no substitute
>|> for an understanding of friction.
>
>Friction rappelling is the last thing to do. If you have still an harness,
>which is likely when you climb, and a few or a single carabiners (quite
>frequent also when you climb), you have best make an emergency descender.
>
>Tuan.

I'm not sure Bob meant body rappelling - after all, _all_ rappels
are based on friction, whether supplied by some new-fangled device,
by one or more biners, or by wrapping the rope about your person.

I might note that I find body rappels very useful and convenient
when caving. But then, I typically have on a few more layers than
I do when climbing. I've body rapped 70+ feet in shorts and no shirt,
and wore a nasty welt on my neck for the rest of the summer. No fun.
_But_ I think it is critical to know how to do these things when
all your modern contivences are gone...

(...Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts...)


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From: phil@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Phil English)
Subject: Re: shasta
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 20:06:04 GMT

In article <170to2INN927@agate.berkeley.edu> stanford@spark (Adam Stanford) writes:

  Can anyone recommend a route to the top which is (relatively) easy, or an
>organization which guides trips to the top?

	The easiest route is Avalanche Gulch to Thumb Rock via Red Banks (
exposed somewhat), then up Misery Hill, across the summit plateau, past the 
vent and up the last couple of hundred feet to the summit.
	Avalanche Gulch is reached from the parking lot of Bunny Flat up the 
Everett Memorial highway from Mt Shasta City (paved). 
	Good water is available at the Serria Club Cabin about two miles 
distant on the trail. Expect very little snow for drinking water beyond. 
Last weekend only a thin finger extended up the gulch above Helen Lake. 
Water at Helen Lake and below is toxic with human feces. 
	Inquire at the cabin as to best route through Red Banks, or stop at 
The 5TH Season Mountain Shop in Shasta City for up to date info. At any rate 
registration is now required with the Forrest Service in town. Rangers are 
on the mountain.
	Good luck, EMAIL me with results of your trip, I,m always interested 
in these adventures. Phil

			5TH Season 916-926-3606 the Shop
				   916-926-5555 24hr climbing report