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From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Update to Falcon In Tractor Beam
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:29:21 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1SEP92183447@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu> dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu writes:
>NONE of Kenner's toys are to scale.  Stand the Han Solo figure next to the 
>Chewbacca one, or Luke next to an X-wing fighter, and then compare these to 
>scenes in the movies.  Luke needed a LADDER to get into his fighter in ANH, 
>while the toy Luke could quite easily boost himself up to the toy X-wing.

	For that matter, compare the Death Star playset to ANYTHING. :)
Likewise, compare Darth Vader's SSD (Executor) playset to anything.
Both are far too small, all the ships are (unless you consider things like
the speeder bike and landspeeder to be ships, they were pretty close to scale)
From: gfm@Gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars Role Playing Figures
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:17:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: mintaka.1992Aug28.171744.1530
Organization: Free Software Foundation

In article <1992Aug26.041428.8935@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)) writes:
>The Star Wars miniatures line was discontinued but WEG will be
>releasing a new line of miniatures this fall.  The first line of
>miniatures was killed due to some kind of problem with the production
>end of things.
	
	Smells like a conspiricy to inflate the worth of these, if they ever
gain collectable status..  Sure they'll issue new ones, but they won't be
"first series"

	Just a thought...
From: hummell+@pitt.edu (Andrew G Hummell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: I've been wondering about this for ages...
Date: 3 Sep 92 11:06:47 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Sep1.172529.21679@ryn.mro4.dec.com> midnight@mdnite.enet.dec.com writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug26.172128.22260@news.media.mit.edu>, tsmaster@media.mit.edu
> (David LeCompte) writes:
>
>>In article <mjenkins.714762347@cunews> mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
>>In <1992Aug25.145403.17711@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au> svenema@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Sven Venema) writes:
>>> 3. Why not blow the planet away instead of wasting time circling it?
>>>    It's not as if the Empire cares about planets or people anyway...
>
>I've wondered about this, too, but only after I'd had sufficient years to nit
>pick Star Wars apart (aka, after the glow wore off :)

According to WEG's Death Star Technical Companion, the Death Star can only fire
the main gun (at a power level strong enough to destroy a planet) once per day.
It can fire at a low power level (enough to destroy a capital ship) once per
minute.  If it destroyed Yavin, the rebels would have a whole day to escape.
(although the huge complement of TIE fighters would certainly cause some
problems)


Andy
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From: bmcm@beech.lle.rochester.edu (Brian McMaster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Does anyone know the name....
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:47:31 GMT
Reply-To: bmcm@beech.lle.rochester.edu (Brian McMaster)
Organization: UofR Laboratory for Laser Energetics


Does anyone know the name of the monster in the sand pit that Luke
and Han were to be thrown into (by Jaba) and slowly digested ?

Also, what was the name of the Creature that Luke killed by closing
the gate on when it was about to eat him (TESB I think).  This was in
Jaba's place.
From: z_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Big rebel ships
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:51:51 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Aug31.185421.12321@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, sdt8s@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson) writes:
> Actually, the big Rebel ships do serve a purpose. Their
> firepower is considerably greater than that of the fighters,
> and when the time comes when the fleets merge, the Rebel ships
> can be seen exchanging broadsides with the Star Destroyers.
> (Remember, too, that capital ship fire--particularly from the
> Mon Calamari Star Cruisers--brought down the Imperial Super
> Star Destroyer that was serving as command ship for the
> Imperial fleet.)

	Actually, it was one kamikaze A-Wing pilot :-)

> 
> As for why capital ships were brought in when the Rebel leaders
> had no reason to expect such a large fleet of Imperial capital
> ships--well, they support the fighters and provide a base of
> operations, much like modern-day aircraft carriers. In the
> battle of Yavin, there's a friendly base nearby (albeit one in
> danger of extinction) providing logistical support for the
> fighters, whereas in RotJ there is no such Rebel base at hand.
> Command, control, and communications (the three vital C's of
> military operations) are coordinated from the capital
> ships. 

	Except that capital ships in Star Wars serve roles as aircraft
carriers, guided-missile cruisers, and battleships. Also, note that Rebel
fighters carried 'heavy weapons' (proton torpedoes) while Imperial fighters
were armed with only blaster cannons. Coupled with the fact that Rebel
starfighters have hyperdrives, it is quite obvious that Rebel fighters are
designed to operate independantly of their capital ships. However, in RotJ, we
had a situation where it Rebel Alliance was going for the coup de gras, so they
threw a whole bunch of capital ships into the fray. BTW, if you notice, the
Rebel fleet launched fighters *before* they made the hyperspace jump, not
after...

Brandon Cope
Organization: The Pennylvania State University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:13:15 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Re: Millenium Falcon model help wanted
 <SS.92Sep1191820@sparkplug.WPI.EDU>

In article <SS.92Sep1191820@sparkplug.WPI.EDU>, ss@sparkplug.WPI.EDU (Scott
Streeter) says:
>When the kit was originally released it came with a set of lights to
>light up the cockpit, the rear engine area, and the entrance ramp. The
>part in the bottom you referred to as the cargo bay was were you fit
>in the 2 C batteries to power the lights.

So my next question would be...does anyone have any plans they could send me?
Or at least somewhere I could get them?  It's easy to wire up the lights, but
I'd need specs on what kind of light bulbs to use and how many and where...

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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Update to Falcon In Tractor Beam
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 19:58:59 GMT

Okay, SW Annual #1 from Marvel has escape pods on the 
Falcon. COmpletely out of scale, too. It wouldn't *fit* in
the falcon.

It shows them coming out from somewhere underneath.

Make from this what you will... it probably isn't canon, and 
no 2 artists ever draw the MF the same way!!

Scott

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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: The Emperor Falling Down (Getting!) the Shaft 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:26:28 GMT

tsv@dbrus.Unify.Com (Tim Vannaman) writes:

>In article <wHl-tR#@engin.umich.edu> yyrkoon@lucky.engin.umich.edu (Jeffrey Jon Kabbe ) writes:
> [stuff deleted] 
> >
>>Now, assuming that Darth used the force to survive that, then why couldn't the
>>Emporer, much more powerful in the ways of the force than Vader, stop himself
>                                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>from falling down the shaft of the Death Star. 
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>I've wondered about this for a long time!


My best guess is that Vader used his Force powers to suppress those of
the Emperor.  Granted, the Emperor is more powerful than Vader, but
maybe not so powerful that he could prevent Vader from preventing *him*
from levitating.

I dunno, just a guess.  On a related topic, why did Luke fall into the
Rancor pit when he could've levitated himself as soon as he realized 
that the floor had dropped out from under him?



                             --Steve "And just what the hell was a reactor
                               shaft doing in the throne room, anyway?"
                               Stelter
                               sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
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Subject: Re: Was Wedge a Spy?
From: <JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:25:30 EDT
 <BtyELn.Ir4@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu><92246.165121JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu> <1992Sep3.170605.16228@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Organization: Penn State University

What if "Captain Antilles" and Wedge are one and the same?  This theory works
until you read Heir to the Empire and get to that scene where the ship captain
bitches about Wedge sitting around drinking tea on his bridge...the text says
that Wedge passed up many promotions, so I would guess that the good Captain
Antilles and Wedge aren't the same, tho' it would make for some interesting
revenge plot devices, if Wedge wants to get the Empire back for capturing and/
or killing his dad/male relative...=)  Cheers, Jean.
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From: bh7030307@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg
Subject: Was Wedge a Spy?
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 04:18:33 GMT

Here's a question that has been puzzling me for quite some time.  In the
beginning of ANH, Princess Leia's blockade runner was being pursued by a star
destroyer.  Now, since it has been established that ships cannot be tracked
through hyperspace, how does the star destroyer know where the blockade runner
would go?  

Also, we are not talking about ANY star destroyer here, we are talking Darth
Vader's flagship.  And good ole' Darth doesn't seem the type to be chasing
across the galaxy on wild hunches.  Therefore, my speculation is that there was
a spy on board the blockade runner, one who knew that it was headed for the
backwater world of Tatooine.  My guess would be the ship's captain, who I
believe is Captain Antilles.

There has been fan speculation that Cpt Antilles is the father of Wedge, which
would now place Wedge's loyalty in question.  Several points:

1.	In ANH, when Vader scored a hit on Wedge's ship, it didn't look too
serious.  Yet he took the opportunity to bug out on Luke.

2.	In RoTJ, when Lando tells Admiral Ackbar that the Death Star's shield
were still up, Wedge counters with the question, "Are you sure?".

I would like to know what the rest of you think of this.  Thanks.


Cerebus
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From: jhoeks26@ursa.calvin.edu (Capt. Hook)
Subject: Re: Update to Falcon In Tractor Beam
Keywords: how's this explanation?
Organization: Calvin College
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:15:36 GMT

gt0754b@prism.gatech.EDU (John Richard Deyonke) writes:


>Now the $64 question:
>Does Han have the guts to fly around in his line of work with no
>escape pods?       

>I'll take a poll.  Responses appreciated.

The answer I think is a resounding yes!  Earlier someone spoke-up and
said that Han would have the guts to fly the Falcon because of his
deep interest in the ship,(Close to Love Maybe?).  I own a Jeep and have
very affectionate feelings for that archaic piece of machinery.  So
much so that I have often ignored basic safety precautions in order to
get the thing in running condition.  It seems that Han has some of the
basic instincts and affections of a futuristic hot rodder.  I feel I can 
safely say that Lucas himself has some of these same instincts for mach-
inery, and chooses to bring them out as part of the Han Solo character.
The recognition of such similar interests portrayed on the screen has made
me a Han fan forever.  Thank you Mr. Lucas!
  A second rational for Han having the guts to fly around without escape
pods could be that someone who is so used to space travel has become immune
to the modern day fears we have of such travel.  The Hyper Drive works most
of the time:), and the mechanics of the ship are so well known to Han that
he has no fear of space travel.  Modern day astronauts are just beginning
to be able to fix their craft in space, whereas Han can fix his craft, fight
TIE fighters, and romance Leia all at the same time.  Now thats a real man!

  Please tell me what you think, I could be just full of a load of Hooey.
 
							Capt. Hook
P.S. "Laugh it up Fuzz-Ball!"
					
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From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: Dark Force Rising
Keywords: NO SPOILERS!
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:57:41 GMT

 Simon.N.Smith@cm.cf.ac.uk (Simon N Smith) writes:
>DFR has _just_ been released in hardback form here in the UK - paperback
>should follow in a couple of months.  Just how far behind the rest of the
>world are we here?

You're only three months behind the US.

>.. and is [DFR] in paperback over there already?

No.  They bring out the paperback to the previous one at the same time
as the new hardcover (i.e., the paperback of _HttE_ came out here in
May), because they figure if you haven't broken down and bought the
hardcover, you never will.  (Then again, some of us owned two hardcovers
and bought the paperback anyway....)

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            elle@midway.uchicago.edu

  "It's an older code, sir, but it checks out.  I was about to clear them."
From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: C3PO.... card
Date: 27 Aug 92 06:49:46 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Penis card?  I probably shouldn't ask, but how did this card get its name?
As if I couldn't guess, but I just want to see a post about it to get it
straight.
-- 
BERNSTEIN,AVRON P
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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From: adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Destroyer model help
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:31:25 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <92245.121655EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu> EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu (Ernie Oporto) writes:
>
>I was just doing the Millenium Falcon model this week and a method I used was
>to add a lot of water to the paint and then paint the "high tech" looking
>panels with it so that the paint falls into the nooks and gives it a real
>worn look.  It seems to have come out really well, and I think I'll paint
>my Star Destroyer like that when I get it.

I would advise against using such weathering techniques on Imperial
ships.  In the films, Rebel ships (including the Millenium Falcon) are
weathered, showing the rag-tag nature of the Rebel fleet, and the fact
that they are doing well enough just keeping the things flying.  In
contrast, Imperial ships are well kept and well maintained, in keeping
with the discipline of the Imperial Navy.  (TIE fighters, of course, do
not generally survive long enough to get weathered. :-)  So all I did
on my Star Destroyer was to weather the exhausts by dry-brushing some
black onto them.  The rest of the ship is clean - any captain who let
it get as dirty as a Rebel ship would soon find himself demoted to
the lowest rank possible, and given the post of assistant to the ship's
cleaning droids. :-)

-- 
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From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: Canon...the Official Word from Lucasfilm.
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 13:25:23 GMT

From article <Bto4Fp.170@acsu.buffalo.edu>, by v113np2v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (George D Emmons):
> In article <1992Aug27.173319.2489@udel.edu>, lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim) writes...
>>	(gr) Well, at least it does let everyone off the hook about the
>>various inconsistencies (Coruscant/Byss, Luke's age, etc.). But it's *still*
>     There is no inconsistency between Coruscant and Byss. Coruscant
> was the Imperial Throneworld. That's where Our Heroes (tm) are
> in the beginning of issue #1. Byss is the Emperor's "Summer Home".
> Read the back of Issue #2 again.
>                                      George...
> "I want more than your kisses."

	Well, according to someone who attended a convention with WEG, 
publishers of the Star Wars RPG, they  (WEG) were told by Lucasfilm
that ONLY the Zahn novels (and I assume maybe the Han Solo and Lando ones 
as well) are cannon.  Both the comic books and the "young adult" books
are set in an alternate reality and thus are given the "fantastic license"
to create the stories we're reading there.

 Other points (this person's message was posted in the Star Wars Fidonet
 echo if you have access to it), be they small or big:

 o SWRPG 2nd edition is to be released in October.
 o The sourcebook for The Last Command (final Zahn novel in this series) will
   be released simutaniously with Zahn's novel.
 o The "official" timeline for the movies is: ANH-(2-3 years)-ESB-(2-3 weeks)-
   ROTJ.
 o WEG's new contract goes until 1996 when all three of the new movies will
   be released, each within 6 months of each other.
 
 
 Thats all I remembered.

 TTYL
 Chris

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From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss)
Subject: Re: Dark Empire: Issue 6 Speculation
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:25:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.125814.15817@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> cad214@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("P.Craig") writes:
>While were on the subject of Dark Empire, would anybody care to join in an
>argument between me and my friend here? he reckons that in DE #6, the Emperor is
>going to bump Luke off, and leave Leia as the hope of the Jedi. Me being a
>completely loyal and worshipful Luke Skywalker fan tends to disagree. Comments,
>opinions and sidetaking most welcome.

Your friend must remember the number one rule of semi-authorized
spinoffs:  when you finish, everything must be just about where it
started.  That means no killing of characters unless you bring them
back to life somewhere along the line.  Why?  Because you have no idea
what TPTB have in store for this wonderful character that you just
iced.  He might be the greatest hero of all time in the next thing
they do.  Or they might kill him of themselves.

No, Luke is going to be around for a while.

Joe (all above sprinkled with 1/2 cup of IMHO's and $.02 thrown in for
     a touch of flavor)
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From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Falcon In Tractor Beam
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:13:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <66976@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0754b@prism.gatech.EDU (John Richard Deyonke) writes:
>OK so he just removed some of them.  Back to my original question?
>How come they aren't dragged in with the MF as well.  I doubt wimpy
>little escape pods can get out of the tractor beam and I doubt that
>this isn't detected by the Imperials.

	Haven't you read any of the replies? The escape pods were jettisoned
SOON AFTER TAKE OFF.  Not "while we were trying to pull them in". Even IF
the Escape pods could escape the tractor beam, I'm sure a couple of TIE 
Fighters could make short work out of the defenseless escape pods.
This whole thing is probably a pre-thought-out scheme Han had in order
to escape the Imperial Gov't...To paraphrase "even he gets boarded sometimes."

>So who's with me?  The writers blew it.  Let's admit it.  

	No they didn't, they just can't hold the viewers hand throughout the
whole movie.  Each of the Star Wars movies is pretty long by today's 
standards, but they are trying to tell an "Epic" tale.  This doesn't give them
the right to make silly script errors (it does happen) but it does mean they
shouldn't have to explain everything totally.
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From: gc3@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (George Cifrancis)
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Hammil?!
Organization: Homebrew Virtual Reality Labs
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 20:06:33 GMT

: >mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
: >>But what happened to Mark Hammil!? He was on the Muppets once, but
: >>what else has he done? Is he directing now or something?
: >>Retired? Converted to Islam? :)

as a matter of fact Mark is the voice of "The Joker" in the new Batman
animated series.

George Cifrancis III
gc3@jcnpc.cmhnet.org
From: myhre@plains.NoDak.edu (Robert Myhre)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Misc ForSale
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:12:29 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


  Hi.  So far I have been unable to locate the figures I had originally
wanted to sell.  I am not sure what happened to them.  Maybe I had a
momentary sickness and sold them a few years ago.  Hope they were worth
it.  :)

  Anyway, this is what I have been able to locate at the moment.

Trading Cards
-------------
Return of the Jedi Red border copyright 1983
#1 - #132 in good condition
Various others of #1 - #132 with some missing... mostly
good shape but a couple are warped and a couple others have that 
annoying bubble game stain on it.
Also, the stickers that went with it:
   4p, 5p, 5y, 6p, 7p, 8p (x2), 9p, 10p, 11p, 13r, 14r, 14b, 15b,
   15r, 16r, 16b, 17b, 18r, 19r, 20b, 21b, 22r, 22b, 23o (x2), 
   23g, 24o, 25g, 26g, 27o, 28o (x2), 29g, 29o, 20o, 31g (x2), 
   32g, 33o
where:
  p = purple border
  y = yellow "
  r = red    "
  b = blue   "
  o = orange "
  g = green  "

Misc
--------
1 Darth Vader Collector Case
1 C3PO Collector Case (slightly scratched)
1 Snow Speeder (that flying thing!)  :)
1 Hoth Snow Base (incomplete set I would imagine)
3 or so Puzzles of Star Wars

 
Figures
---------
5 figures still in package... Have to get the names again
  Pruneface
  Teebo (?)
  Rankor Keeper
  forgot
  forgot

  If these are sellable I will entertain offers.  Since I don't know
if these have become actual collectors items or not, you may just get
a deal off of me.  :)
 
  Email if interested... and may the Force be With you (if I can find the
rest of those figures anyway!)

Robert Myhre
Computer Engineer in Training... and Training... and Training
North Dakota State University
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