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From: addison@pollux.usc.edu (Richard Addison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A (sad) story about stocks, Norwegian banks and C=
Date: 28 Aug 1992 14:08:33 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In <mykes.0d3i@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
}In article <l9g14sINNt6k@pollux.usc.edu> addison@pollux.usc.edu (Richard Addison) writes:
}> In <mykes.0d1f@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
}> }In article <l9ao53INNt1k@pollux.usc.edu> addison@pollux.usc.edu (Richard Addison) writes:
}> }> In <mykes.0cz5@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
}> }> >Remember my prediction of $2/share in february!
}>
}> }> In February, 1993, I'll give you $500 in exchange for 200 shares of
}> }> stock in Commodore.
}>
}> }Not with you for that lousy deal.
}>
}> What requirements would a deal have to have in order for it not to
}> be lousy in your opinion?

}I'll buy the stock in Februrary at market value, and you buy the stock from
}me then at today's price.

Well, this is what I suspected.  You really do not have much confidence in
your prediction of $2/share if February.

As far as your offer, I might as well by the stock today and today's price.
I could then sell before February if I felt like it.  Or maybe I could just
exercise some options.

--
Richard
From: bill@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Bill Lanides)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advocacy folks
Summary: JPEG or "Faces?"
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:46:53 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source Pub Access Unix

In article <64630@cup.portal.com> thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) writes:

>Rather than IFF pix, might I suggest "faces" format?

Faces?? Has anyone here even HEARD of faces???
JPEG is by far the standard! It's as small as you can get, it's 24-bit, and
it's made for digitizing thousand color+ images like a human face.

>Reason is multifold:
>
>1) it's already a "standard" (developed by/for Usenix contributors)

I personally don't have any display program for the Amiga or IBM that supports
the "faces" format. JPEG is supports through many commercial and PD programs.

>2) a HUMONGOUS database of face pix already exists at ftp.uu.net
>3) format is easily e-mailable: all ASCII data (see sample extract below)

Uuencoded JPEG I'll bet is even smaller then "faces."

>4) bio data for whom the pixture represents is part of the format (see below)

A small text file is easily included with any format.

>5) "faces" viewers exist for most/all machines.  I demo'd my version for the
>   Amiga at a FAUG meeting about 2 or 3 years ago, and it does a nice job of
>   simulating the 8-bit-plane depth (256 gray levels) on the Amiga.  It was
>   a bit slow (using WritePixel()), so collaboration with Doug Merritt
>   produced a souped-up version that writes a byte-at-a-time; sources are
>   freely available (and may already be on a Fish Disk; will have to check and,
>   if not, I'll send a copy to Fred).
>

Why simulate 256 gray-scale when JPEG does beautiful 24bit color?

>Thad Floryan [ thad@btr.com, thad@cup.portal.com ]


                                            -bill lanides
From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:01:13 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Sep2.173948.1819@nmsu.edu> dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND) writes:
>Get rid of the flicker fixer? Why? So people can complain about interlaced 
>displays again? 

The A3000's scan converter logic probably adds $70 to the _cost_ of the
system.  If some future machine were capable of generating such a display
directly, what's the point of a scan converter?  Not to mention that the
cost of the converter is directly proportional to the system's palette.  If
a new system had an 18, 21, or 24 bit palette instead of the current 12-bit
one, the scan converter costs would go up considerably (eg, most of the
cost is field and frame store memories, not the Amber chip or PLL).

>I myself would like to see a streamlined A4000 that saves some money by 
>having NO ibmpc slots.

You're talking about a couple of dollars in cost there.  And PC slots are
useful -- where else are you going to put your TBC boards?


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From: u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull)
Subject: Re: NEW AMIGAS!
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:43:36 GMT

dtiberio@libws1.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:

>In article <u894776.715409035@bruny> u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull) writes:
>>
>>PS: I am only posting this for the folks who may have heard about the new
>>amiga machines... and are dissapointed.

>	Since when is it up to you to decide that people are upset
>about a machine that is not released yet?

Read my PS line again.  It makes no decisions for anyone.  It is aimed at
the folks who have heard about the new amigas and are dissapointed.  Not
those who have not heard about the new amigas, nor those who are not
dissapointed.

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From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: Re: How to Solve the Problem of A3000 C= CD-ROM Support
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 18:05:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.020443.12086@usl.edu>das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>You continually amaze and amuse me... but this time you've outdone yourself.
>>You are, I understand from prior postings, a registered developer - and here
>>you are advocating the violation of the agreements that go with that status.

[..]

>He seem pretty accurate, though.  Didn't wanna mention that did you? 'natch.

By convention, 'accurate' would entail conveying information based on
knowledge, rather than speculation. I'm sure that most people would love to
see some significant progress made in this area. It's more a question of
how to appropriately express this. When advocating change becomes more of
a malady of the day, it becomes harder to give any credence to either the
message or the conveyor. 

If these sentiments were genuine, it would have been more productive to
lobby the software companies to develop front-ends for CD-ROMS available in
the PC/Mac market. Most existing CDTV software is at an infantile stage,
and until increased graphics capabilities become a reality, porting
multimedia applications will only lead to substandard Amiga versions.

Mark

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From: Chris_Millar@lppl.mi.org (Chris Millar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 500 Pound Atari Falcon? Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Distribution: world
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:17:30 EST
Organization: Les's Place BBS

As far as getting TOS (Atari DOS) specifications, I believe that you must
become a "registered" developer - The Falcon uses a slightly enhanced
version of the current TOS along with a multi-tasking overlay - it
basically hooks into the current TOS - for more information contact

Bill Rehbock, Director of Technical Services
c/o Atari Corporation
1196 Borregas Avenue
Sunnyvale, CA  94089


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From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: MPEG, Photo CD (was: CDTV is dead)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:06:06 GMT

rog@outb.wimsey.bc.ca (Roger Earl) writes:
>On Sun 23-Aug-1992 11:53p, Kevin Darling wrote:
>KD> On a related note, Blockbuster Video has now begun renting CD-I players
>KD> in major cities.  Players: $15 for three days.  Titles: $3 for three days.

>Which major cities ?  

I believe Los Angeles and New York City so far.  At least, those are where
people who've reported it so far live.

>And you were accusing people of being vague.

Only CBM President Jim Dionne.

>Funny, I consider Vancouver as a major city since its listed as the second
>largest in Canada.  CD-I is still not available here, not even to buy.
>I've owned my CDTV for 16 months now.

So drive across the border, use mail order, or send me the money.  Sheesh :-)
We all have problems.  Our main CDTV dealer just went out of business.
(There's another Amiga dealer, but he mostly sells PCs and has a bad rep.)

kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
 <1992Aug28.175134.11380@endicor.com> 
 <1992Aug28.185823.26687@ctr.columbia.edu> 
 <1992Aug28.203809.12523@endicor.com> <1992Aug28.213334.121@ctr.columbia.edu> <jbickers.0e2k@templar.actrix.gen.nz>
 <1992Aug30.211620.3145@ctr.columbia.edu>
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:16:11 PST
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <1992Aug30.211620.3145@ctr.columbia.edu> by jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel):
> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:

> >    Yes it is possible to make a task non-preemtible. One function
> >    call to get into that state, another one to get out.

> Doesn't that interfere with the realtime operation of the rest of the
> system?  By the way, what *are* these functions?  What happens when a

    Presumably you have one application that has to meet realtime
    constraints, and devote the machine to it. That has been the case
    in the instances I'm aware of. Other things are secondary to
    whatever the primary application is, and the application designer
    takes care of sorting out when time can be spared for IO, or
    whatever.

    There are two sets of functions. Disable()/Enable() does the
    obvious thing with interrupts. Forbid()/Permit() does the obvious
    thing with the task scheduler.

> non-preemptible task makes a system call?  Is the system tied up waiting
> for the I/O?

    It depends on what the designer wanted to have happen. I know in
    my case I'd design the system to only do disk IO when speed was no
    longer a concern, and do the data storage in RAM.

> | Jerry J. Shekhel  | Molecular Simulations | Time just fades the pages      |
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From: jra1@Ra.MsState.Edu (J R Allegrezza)
Subject: commodore support
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:41:21 GMT

I just thought I would waste a little bandwith by posting my recent
experience with commodore support services.

I called with a problem with my a2286 bridgeboard, and got a support person.

well, everything was fine up until this point, but when I explained my problem
, (a hardware problem between my HD controller and the bridgeboard)
the representative told me that this was a user question and couln't be
answered.

then the representative tried to hang up, at which point I asked her who
I could call.  to this she responded
"call your local user group"

well, I just want to say that I think that this sort of support stinks.

It is clear that commodore should clean up their act.


by the way, I called xetec about this problem, and they were very helpful,
the epitome of how I think companies should support their customers.  
perhaps commodore should try and act more like some of their 3rd party
developers...

_jeff
From: kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
Date: 31 Aug 92 11:59:15 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Aug31.000321.2544@nic.csu.net> matthewd@csufres.CSUFresno.EDU (Matthew Davidian) writes:
>In article <1992Aug30.194513.12500@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>>   This works well on paper, but not in reality.  Consider for instance the
>>situation with Amiga CD-ROM drives.  If Commodore is going to bring out
>>CD-ROM drives for every Amiga, they will have to bring out FOUR different
>>models: one for the A500, one for the A600, one for A2500 & A2000HD & A3000
>>systems (with SCSI interfaces), and one for the new systems with IDE 
>>interfaces.  
>
>I may be wrong, but I've never heard of a CD ROM drive with a IDE interface
>on PC compatibles.  They are either SCSI or some custom controller board.
>The logical thing for C= to do is bundle a SCSI controller with the CDROM
>for the alleged machines that have the IDE interface.  In any case, they'll
>have to come out with several models anyway--a CD ROM won't fit in a A3000,
>but will in a 2000 or 3000T.  I think the only real difference will need to
>be in the packaging anyway, since the A570 (or whatever it is) already uses
>a SCSI interface.  I wouldn't hold my breath for a A600 CD ROM though...
>
>Matt Davidian
>matthewd@csufres.csufresno.edu

Maybe the A4000 has a built-in IDE interface for an internal drive but a 
SCSI interface for external peripherals, like Atari's Falcon030?

Steve
From: robbins@iastate.edu (James D. Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AmigaWorld LIES about Amiga Links
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:19:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: vincent1.robbins.715281545
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

One game does not prove the point that Amiga is an inferior game machine.
Besides, Golf SUCKS!  I'd like to see someone make a game that has even
half decent graphics for the IBM and can actually move them around without
the famed IBM chunk by chunk movement.  You must be terribly misinformed.
Not too much action in links.  WOW, look at that golfball move!  

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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:03:17 GMT
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science

In article <1992Aug27.153549.395@natinst.com> glens@natinst.com (Glen Sescila) writes:
>
>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes regarding Calamus SL:
>> I'll tell you what it means.  It means that users can go to any bookstore
>> and find lots of tutorials, hint books, and other references related to
>> the application.
>
>	Any decent application based on a decent GUI should require
>absolutly no documentation at all!  When are people going to understand
>the purpose of a GUI!

Another Atrashy owner joins the fray!  By GUI, I hope you are not referring
to the joke called GEM which is one of the uppermost layers used to hide
the non-OS called TOS.  That sorry clone of a Macintosh is even more pathetic
than the pre-2.0 Amiga Workbench.

>"Now You're Playing With Power Without The Price!"  Glen Sescila   |||

That sort of slogan really wouldn't do much for Atari's poor image...

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 19:50:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.203721.19138@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.151253.26847@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>>
>>: The only concern i have for PCMCIA is for the adaptor for the Portfolio.
>>: I'm talking function - not cross-platform.
>>
>>Functionally, it has more potential.
>
>That is truth! People buying cheap A600 have more potential for heart 
>attack when they see price tag for PCMICA ram!

An people listening to your mindless babble have more potential for
losing their sanity and going on a shooting spree in a post office...

>>Functionally, it has a bigger market share than the Falcon may have
>>for a long time.
>
>Falcons have cheap ram boards NOW and anyone can make it in garage.

I've made it in lots of places, but never a garage.  :-)A

>Falcons have DSP NOW but A600 will never have cheap PCMIA DSP card.
>A600 out for 6 months already and people tired of vAApor talk.

Falcons also have stupid and ugly case with no hope of expansion except
for third-party hacks.  Falcon has been out for a couple of days and
already people are tired of your senseless spewing of bovine manure.

>>Functionally, it's got more support than Atari or C= can shake a stick
>>at.
>
>C= said same thing about many Japanese companies supporting CDTV
>but stick shaking scared them away!!

Jeff, you have been saying the same thing about the Falcon and how it will
crush the Amiga and rule the world and how Lynx will make Batman turn into
a Panther and the Jaguar will have 128bit color and blah, blah, blah.

Are you the victim of a home-lobotomy kit or something?  Do you live near
a leaky nuclear reactor?  Did you escape from a chimp speech program?  I
thought for a while that you were an AI program running out of control, but
I don't think that computers can be forced to act as stupidly as you do.

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: World of CBM, Pasadena
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:02:35 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Aug29.201821.18666@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.111855.14717@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>>
>>3) The AA machines aren't ready yet.
>
>If developers not getting AA machines until 1993 no way C= can sell
>to us.    
>
>People going to WOC can look inside new Amigas to check for AA chips!
>Many wondering why new Amigas showing LATE afternoon when most people
>gone home.  BEST time for show is 10am-2pm.


Look, Jeff!  I'm an Atari user and don't really like the Amiga, but I think 
you're going a little overboard here.  And although I don't care for the
Amiga personally, I'm not going to put it down because as long as more 
people are buying something other than an IBM clone, it's fine with me.
There's one big flaw with both the Falcon's and the new Amiga's --- Atari 
and Commodore are involved! <grin>  I'm not telling you to stop saying 
what you're saying, just asking you to lighten up a little.

By the way, what nationality are you?


Steve "I'm Temporarily Using My Brother's Account, So No Mail!" Johnson
GEnie: S.JOHNSON10
Internet: ???@athena.cs.uga.edu (in about a month)
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Shakeout in PC Industry Continues 
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 02:20:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.010035.17007@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:
>In article <1992Aug29.161505.23801@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>
>>	Did they say anything about Gateway 2000?  I've got one, so I'm kind
>>   of concerned.  Last I knew it seemed they were doing very well.
>
>This article did not mention Gateway specifically, however another article in
>the same issue indicated that Gateway placed 70th in the list of top mail
>order companies (IBM and DEC are the top computer direct-order vendors).
>From all accounts, Gateway, Dell, ALR, and AST are considered to be the
>most likely candidates to survive the pricing wars. The remainder will
>inevitably abandon the market (Goldstar, Magnavox), become assimilated
>(Northgate) or evaporate (Fujikama OA).

Wow, really?  I would think that Gateway 2000 would be much larger than that.
Thisis especially suspicious since I thought Packard Bell sold second only to
IBM in *units* sold.  And that wasn't mentioned.  Or was it?

The one good thing (at least) resulting from this is that is the prices rise
too much (laughable) more vendors would appear and we'd start all over again.
Isn't competition great?

>Mark
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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:59:03 GMT

lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (LaMonte Koop) writes:
:    Well, PCMCIA is probably best not put in the ranks of a 'real bus'.  It
: does not allow such niceties as bus mastership, and has inherent limitations
: which cloud defining it as a full expansion bus.  Nevertheless, it does serve
: the A600 well in that such a machine will probably not have a market for 
: applications requiring a full bus specification given its market.

Very true.  If I made it appear that this thing was comparable to
something like ISA, EISA, or Zorro, which are all real buses, then I
apologize...  (Ranked in order of least likely to most likely a
bus... ;)  However, in comparison to a series of motherboard signals,
it's quite good.

:    Now, as for the 'direct slot' on the Falcon, as you stated that is nothing
: special.  It is akin to the processor slots on the A2000/A3000 series, and
: even similar to the 'LocalBus' idea gaining precedence in the PC world to
: some extent.  As to whether the lack of a true expansion bus will damage the
: Falcon has yet to be seen.

However, the fact is that this isn't being used as a processor
upgrade, as in the 2000/3000.  It's also not being used as a graphics
upgrade, as the LocalBus.  It's being used as a bus.  They're putting
cards into this processor slot which on either of the above types of
systems would have gone into a real bus and therefore have access to
bus-mastering, DMA, and more importantly, you're not limited to ONE.

Greg

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From: borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Borge Noest)
Subject: A4000 price rumour
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:03:15 GMT


The rumours I've heard is that the 4000 will cost german dealers 'under
4000 DM'.

How does this compare to the other Amiga models?
How much does dealers usually up the price?
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From: Chris_Millar@lppl.mi.org (Chris Millar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Distribution: world
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:32:58 EST
Organization: Les's Place BBS

Yeah....lot's of Amiga software on PCMCIA cards, huh?  Maybe if they had a
PDS they could add PC emulation and run something.  Oh, Falcon was released
ion Germany last Friday - sold for Dm 1398 and 3198.................


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