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From: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: The continuing Gibson
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:45:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 

> I don't dispute that adequate security measures exists, but I don't ever
> want my life/career held sway by these measures.  They work fine for almost
> every situation, and when you combine them, you can discourage someone quite
> effectively.  But I see little chance in anyone talking me into agreeing that
> there exists a method that can provide true security while allowing access to
> permitted parties.

PS> There is, make all parties permitted ;)

<Moderate Chuckles...>

PS> The best methods I've found so far, though, is to make the data either 
  > uninteresting, and the security uninteresting, or to spread the data
  > around so much that it is a real pain in the but to get it all.  

<Riotous Laughter...>

Me


 -- SPEED 1.20 [NR]: I missed my Senator . . . then I reloaded . . .
                                                                                                
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: carlsoje@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Joel E. Carlson 1625773)
Subject: Re: Cultural el8
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:07:49 GMT

In article <1DTXRB1w165w@freeside.com> merlin@freeside.com (Merlin the Idiot Magi) writes:
>
>   What does it feel like to be one of the `Cultural elite'?
>
>merlin@freeside.com (Merlin the Idiot Magi)
>Rivendell BBS -*- Houston, TX -*- +1(713)941-2236


The reason they are bashing the Tchnocratic elite is because we don't
fit into the paradigm of mass-manipulated-electronic-mind code.  The
Bush establishment has this wet dream of making us all slaves into a
fascist-thought-control state, where all power is controlled by him and
his cronies and 'the rest of us' (Apple's slogan) are tied into a
666-antichrist sytem.  It only takes 1.2k to record the retinas of a
human being with that they could have total control.  Except there is a
flaw in old King george's plan, namely us.  Any
tripped-out-neuronaught-techno-pagan-reality-hacker can destroy is
beautiful plan to turn us into lemmings for his control.  
	Quayle has to bash us, the 'culturaly elite', so that he can
protect his nazi-plans.  Because my fellow neuronaughts were all linked
up, plugged in, speed-crazed, and increasing the bandwith of love.

carlsoje@umn.mr.edu    

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: guest@fcit-c1.fcit.monash.edu.au
Subject: reality?
Organization: FCIT, Monash University 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:08:41 GMT

Don't know if this is getting to you all, but ah'll give it a shot anyway.

Cyberpunk is just a fantasy that we ain't going to achieve. Or if we do it 
ain't going to be too close to what they think it is. (Like people could
argue we had reached something like cyberpunk). 
	Firstly, anarchy and corporations rule?

Watching America and Australia, governments are always going to be the 
front of what is going on. Corporations may have people in the government, 
and they may bribe the government like anything, but if they want to do
anything, requisition anything, they will have to go through the government.

	Cyberspace, what will it be?
OK, I don't hack. But from all the info. I have collated on it, it seems
a 3-D world in electronic space won't be existing for the purpose of storing 
information which can be hacked into. It will be purely for educational, 
entertainmment and maybe simulations (mainly combat simulations). Real 
hackers are going to be dealing with hundreds of characters to do the hacking
getting the real stuff. 

	Cybertech.
	Electronic limbs, eyes and all are an interesting idea. The millitary
must be onto it by now (at least in America), but the feasibility of it for 
private sector mercenaries and all is somewhat limited. Optics and audio, 
maybe, but who needs a cyberlimb that can crush someone's head in when you 
can just get a good gun and take them out? All that metal in an arm would 
kinda set off a metal detector like. 

Anyway, just interested here to see what people think.

A cyberpunk revolution ain't gonna happen in the real world is what I'm 
saying.
From: mdouglas@cad067.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Maria Douglas ~)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000 #7 and Technoculture
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:40:14 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp.


-- 
My first impressions of Mondo were very similar.  I'm a cybergaming junkie, myself, and
Mondo's slaughter of the human language in the name of cyberculture just hangs its hat
on the hippie rack, ya know?  I mean, come on!  R.U. and all are simply reliving the
60's with a little "je ne techno sais quoi", letting any nut with a wordprocessor
(or worse, Well address) put in their two cents worth.

But one day, I suddenly stopped taking Mondo seriously.  I don't know what changed my
interpretation of what they were doing, but it became a very wonderful joke!  Ha, ha,
look, Mom, I'm a cyber-mondoid!  A friend of mine recently met the neighbor of the woman
who owns Mondo, and found out (O.K., O.K.! talk about pseudo-journalism) that it was a
TREMENDOUS joke--never meant to be taken as a serious publication with serious views
about technology in society or ANYTHING.  Whether this gossip is true or not, I don't
know, but I don't ever expect anything serious from the mag now, so I don't feel gyped
because it never fails to give me a big laugh.
--
Maria E. Douglas	(408) 765-4728		    
Intel Corporation	mdouglas@cadev6.intel.com  

"Boy, I don't know what that thar Space Mead is,
	but ahhhhl drink it!"

		Jake Barlow,
		Bounty Hunter and Cthulhoid Investigator

Standard disclaimer applies...
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: guru-a0@access.digex.com (Guru Aleph-Null)
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000 #7 and Technoculture
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 00:18:35 GMT

I don't see anything wrong with having a cyberpunk "fashion" magazine.
If anything, it could bring more people into the movement. (Whatever
the movement is :) 

Mondo 2000 does sort of fill in for a "cyberfashion" artsy kind of
magazine. If it gets more popular it may spinoff into more hard core
things. If it doesn't, someone else will.

Ask yourself this question: Do you get excited when you read _Mondo_?
(Not sexually.. unless you do happen to get excited that way.. ) Do
you see anything interesting? Do you see anything new? If not, then
the purpose of the publication has failed you. Otherwise, maybe you
got $3.00 worth out of the cost of buying it.

The certainly make better coffee-table magazines than _Smithsonian_
don't they?

Guru Aleph-Null
From: cvoid@spud.kludge.com (Christian Void)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Ehh...
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 07:32:03 PDT
Organization: Tater Tot Liberation Front, San Francisco CA

Like I asked earlier... Doesn't this feed get any traffic? Okay... Lets
see if we can't generate some... Has anyone out there read "Storming the 
Reality Studio"? And if so, what do you think?
 

Christian Void /T71        |     "I don't like it, and I'm sorry
VMResearch, Inc.           |    I ever had anything to do with it."
cvoid@spud.kludge.COM      |       -Erwin Schrodinger 1887-1961
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ratner@owlnet.rice.edu (Logan Joshua Ratner)
Subject: Re: that book
Organization: Rice University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:46:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.045242.25035@nmsu.edu> jgoodric@dante.nmsu.edu (GOODRICH) writes:
>
>
>Since Everyone's been so hot to find out, that Cyberpunk 
>book I was talking about was called _Storming the Reality 
>Workshop_ edited by some guy named McCaffrey.  Now YOU
>can look it up in the library.
>
>The Laughing Priest!
>
>"People should listen to their mothers." -J. Constantine
>
>

Actually, its called Storming The Reality Studio, edited by McCaffery.
Its a blend of essays and short-stories. Very post-modern, quite punk,
and really pretty good. Damn hard to find however. May have to try
special order or some-such.

Hope that helps.

ratner
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: IDS07215@APPSTATE.EDU (*Matthew Justin Harmon)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Agrippa RSA scheme
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:10:39 GMT
Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24


  So, yeah, molar...We're sitting around for some OTHER molar to make HIS
(or HER) mark on the computer world, and crack the hell out of it.
  And that's cool, because Mr. Tom Maddox says that the author thought it
would be out by now...And so did I....
  Here's why...You don't have to know the key he's using, you just have to
crack the reader program - if you crack that, molar, you can get the key (use a
sector editor, I guess, but then, I never was a hacker) write your own reader,
and convert it to ASCII.
  Of course, my knowledge is about as old as the hills, as a friend of mine
once told me, so maybe that WON'T work....
  Regardless, you'd only get one pass at it, so you'd have to be pretty dam'n
good to do it.  Maybe some of those German boys can have at it (oops, I forgot,
the good old U.S. government won't let anybody else know about RSA).
  But the point is, only the best of the best could crack it...But then, if he/
she did, we'd all end up using DES, and the NSA can crack that in no time flat.
  Anyway, I think this is going to be fun to watch all the same (wether
they crack it or not)....
                                                              MJH
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"Don't worry about copy protection, honey.  That's what they made ice-picks
for." -- Early wetware programer.
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From: tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: William Gibson's Email
Organization: Systems Research Center, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 08:21:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.201939.13173@nmsu.edu> jgoodric@dante.nmsu.edu (GOODRICH) writes:
>	Actually, I heard that Mr. Gibson is is tired of Cyberpunk and 
>wants to get on with something else.  I read it in a copy of a really 
>interesting post-structuralist book about cyberpunk.

OK, it's late, and I'm going to draw a bizarre analogy, so watch out...

I'm getting really sick of violent techno music.  Sure, when I was
an angry teenager, I got a real kick out of harcore punk, kind of our
falling-apart cyberpunk world, heavily laced with underground hack/phreak/
pyro BBS's and such.  Now we have FLA, Contagion, etc., and groups are
pumping out truly _evil_ sounding fast-thumping music which any
participant in a _Neuromancer_ world would thuroughly enjoy.

If you had to write all this dark cyberpunk stuff, I'd imagine you'd
get sick of it also.  Also, the mirrorshaded dudes in the body armor/
headphone+mike, carrying a 5 foot long, 1 foot thick portable cannon
around sci-fi/fantasy cons is also getting a little old.

Maybe it's just the hippie in me comming out, but I really see the
"dark" cyberfuture hopefully replaced by the "happy" cyberfuture.
Not a perfect world, no STNG earth, but people trying to deal with
the great global and local problems instead of bathing in them and
letting them fester.  

It's the technorave movement that is generating this optimism in me.
People dancing (black and white kids, dancing to the same music! wow),
no alcohol, no attitudes, bright lasers cutting the through the foggy
warehouse-night, "I am you..we are one" t-shirts, smart drinks,
mind machines, exploding digital samples.

I dunno, maybe I'm just getting old :)

-Thomas
 resident technoshaman


Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: pvanheus@frodo.cs.uct.ac.za (P A van Heusden)
Subject: Cyberpunk and Magic
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:45:43 GMT

Re: The whole magic debate: I do not believe in any god, or any forces
beyond physics. However, I do believe that in things like Jung, we
have found the 'hardwired' sections of human personality. And this is not
in conflic with Tech. Thus, I am simultaneously a techrat and, if the Spirit
wills, a shaman. There is no conflict. In fact, I see the Net as partly a
global mind, and my access is a sixth sense. We are no longer blind to
distance.

Send all flames to /dev/null
Peter

--
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Peter van Heusden              "Through the cruelty of strangers
CS2 lab, UCT, Cape Town           To the Neon dream"
pvanheus@frodo.cs.uct.ac.za             Sisters of Mercy   
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (scooby dooby doo)
Subject: Re: Industriel Music
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 04:22:10 GMT

In article <003316g.18.718332160@ace.acadiau.ca>
003316g@ace.acadiau.ca (STEPHEN EDWARD ELLIOTT GREGORY) writes: 
|	Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this but....
|
|	The other night on a really late radio show they played nonstop 
|Industriel Music. I liked a lot of what I heard but did not catch the names 
|of many of the groups. I was wondering if anyone could E-Mail or post a list 
|of some of the better Industriel groups.
|
|Thanks in advanced.

Ho hum, I know there willbe a number of posts to this, but FOR HERE
AND NOWW AND FUTURE REFERENCE:

move all industrial music threads to:

rec.music.industrial

Industrial music and cyberpunk in all its form are not inherently
intertwined (flames to /dev/null, among other places), and do not
belong in this group, especially considering a group exists
specifically for the discussion of industrial music....


Tim Oerting (oerting@bellman.aa.washington.edu):  If you read this
post, you might want to add that industrial music threads are better
suited to rec.music.industrial....

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From: ibacon@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Ian Bacon)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: William Gibson's _Agrippa_ (The Book of the Dead) -- Is it Going
Date: 26 Sep 1992 15:20:27 +0800
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
Distribution: world
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Ok, ok, I have heard much about WG's Agrippa. I have heard that it has
been released. I have heard that WG expects :^D the protection to be
broken and pirate copies distributed on the net. I have heard much
discussion about all of this. What I have not heard is that anyone has
done this. Has anyone? If so where is it?
From: pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Patrick C Leger)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: 2600 Address
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:15:48 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I've got a copy of 2600 here, and it says their network address is:
2600@well.sf.ca.us
I don't know if they've got an ftp site, but I suppose you can ask them.

Hope it helps...
From: aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Strider)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: b. sterling
Date: 2 Oct 1992 17:51:31 GMT
Organization: The Banzai Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

BDA108@psuvm.psu.edu () writes:
: bruce sterling, what a loser, he may have a cyberpunk attitude but he can't
: write for crap.  I first read gibson's stuff then sterling and was completly
: disappointed.  and how about "Difference Engine" i think that it could have
: been a good book if just gibson wrote it.  I have read and will continue to
: read sterling's stuff but only for the story his style needs a lot of work.

Not to split hairs ... but those who throw stones...


		      ____________________________________
			Steve J. White
			aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
			aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu
			skeptic@large@9600bps
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Deadly InterFace
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:18:35 GMT


picked up a book awhile ago.. really decent .. and it really stole ideas left right and sideways ...
it was called ... Deadly Interface ...
it was a combo.. Bladerunner meets neuromancer...
i enjoyed it .. if anyone else has read it let me know what u thought of it .. if not 
i suggest u read it .. not bad..


  Steve C.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: shawnb@ecst.csuchico.edu (Shawn Brown)
Subject: Re: "Cyberpunk breakins" (was: re: Gibson)
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 06:23:59 GMT

In article <203@mindlink.bc.ca> Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer) writes:

>What is even MORE amazing about this style of hacking, or cracking as the
>purists would call it, is how amazingly pointless the exercise is.  Most of the
>hackers are traced and tracked down eventually, and most of the data they
>download, VMS source code notwithstanding, is not even worth very much.  It's
>just an adolescent diversion done for the feeling of power.  However, the
>potential for harm-- unintentional or otherwise-- is always high. Just ask the
>security guys at the 911 automated service how they felt when they discovered
>hackers were in THEIR system!
>

Hmm... I follow this kind of thing quite closely, and have never heard of an
instance of 'hackers' in a 911 bellcore computer.  Fucking with bellcore and
their COSMOS systems is practically impossible.  If you're referring to the
Craig Neidorff/Knight Lightning Phrack case where 911/ANI documents were
published... that was a completely different set of circumstances altogether
and had nothing to do with unauthorized access to bellcore 911 systems.

Shawn
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (scooby dooby doo)
Subject: Re: Cultural el8
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 01:57:58 GMT

In article <BvGL91.F6n@cda.mrs.umn.edu> carlsoje@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Joel E. Carlson 1625773) writes:
|
|The reason they are bashing the Tchnocratic elite is because we don't
|fit into the paradigm of mass-manipulated-electronic-mind code.  The
|Bush establishment has this wet dream of making us all slaves into a
|fascist-thought-control state, where all power is controlled by him and
|his cronies and 'the rest of us' (Apple's slogan) are tied into a
|666-antichrist sytem.  It only takes 1.2k to record the retinas of a
|human being with that they could have total control.  Except there is a
|flaw in old King george's plan, namely us.  Any
|tripped-out-neuronaught-techno-pagan-reality-hacker can destroy is
|beautiful plan to turn us into lemmings for his control.  
|	Quayle has to bash us, the 'culturaly elite', so that he can
|protect his nazi-plans.  Because my fellow neuronaughts were all linked
|up, plugged in, speed-crazed, and increasing the bandwith of love.
		 ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Oh, ok, it all makes sense now.....

You might want to get in touch with Psychic TV's Ideal Order (the ones
that zap Dan Rather every Thursday [watch his blinking increase]) if
this is the school of thought you subscribe to.....

:)

|carlsoje@umn.mr.edu    

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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000 #7 and Technoculture
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:29:55 GMT
Followup-To: alt.cyberpunk
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <DOOM.92Sep25171833@elaine36.Stanford.EDU>,
doom@elaine36.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Brenner) wrote:
 
> This isn't an uncommon reaction to Mondo 2000, and it's
> certainly a defensible position (superficial, shallow,
> glitzy... yeah).  

Being a somewhat overpaid corporate network geek type, I decided to
pick up the over-priced rag just for the hell of it.  I still don't 
know what to think.  I go back and forth:  clueless, burned out hippies
talking (again) about stuff they know nothing about; or, clueless 
hippies very cleverly repackaging their wares and foisting it upon
somewhat overpaid corporate geek types.  Back and forth.  Back and
forth.  One article starts off like it's actually going to tackle
Unified Field Theory.  I think to myself, "Wow!  Maybe, just maybe,
a high tech magazine will be able to boil Unified Field Theory down
to a level those of us without Nobel prizes in physics can understand."

Not.

After gurgling through the highest levels of what it is modern physics
is trying to accomplish - poof!  It all evaporates.  Suddenly, they
start talking about the universe as broken conciousness.  You see,
were all trying to return to 'group' conciousness.  And once we do,
BANG!  The group conciousness shatters again - and a new Universe is
born.  Oh, and don't pick the strawberries in the forever fields.

They're poison.

But seriously, Mondo's grasp of technological realities seems very,
very shallow.  There are some fascinating developments occuring in
computer science - beyond even the drug-induced imaginations of hack
authors.  Biotechnology, genetics, materials science, robotics.  These
fields have all made signigicant strides.  Many of their accomplishments
remain very mysterious and difficult to understand to non-specialists.
A magazine which atttempts to bring these fields 'down to Earth' would
be very welcome.  Mondo is not such a magazine.  It is even surprisingly
ignorant of many of the buzz words (I never saw references to multi-
tasking, multi-threaded operating systems grabbing cycles from 
processors distributed across high-speed fiber optic networks - go
figure!)  

Bottom line: If you want to ride the technology wave, you're better off
surfin' on Scientific American (seriously).  The authors know what the
fuck they're talking about, the technology is cutting edge and not
ethereal gobble-dee-gook, the covers - while not 'slick' - are certainly
'high tech', and it costs two bucks less.  If you want a cool coffee-
table magazine, go with Mondo (and LA Style, side by side, they'll look
great together.  Trust me, darlings.  I'm a queen.  I should know).

Matthew Melmon

(aka Melmothra, ACC - but you probably don't read soc.motss)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: pvanheus@frodo.cs.uct.ac.za (P A van Heusden)
Subject: Looking for Electronic 2600
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 10:27:52 GMT

Hey, I know this is not a hacker group, but the hackers seem to hang out 
here so:

Could anyone tell me if 2600 magazine is available in Electronic form
somewhere? If so, where?

Many thanks,
Peter

--
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Peter van Heusden              "Through the cruelty of strangers
CS2 lab, UCT, Cape Town           To the Neon dream"
pvanheus@frodo.cs.uct.ac.za             Sisters of Mercy