HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: edguer@ces.cwru.edu (Aydin Edguer)
Subject: Re: mail2news patch for mailing to multiple newsgroups
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 15:49:07 GMT

In article <19920814171249SEB1525@MVS.draper.com> SEB1525@MVS.draper.com writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.151106.4662@fwi.uva.nl>,
>casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik) writes:
>>SEB1525@MVS.draper.com (Steve Bacher) writes:
>>
>>>A more comprehensive solution would involve looking up the message ID
>>>in a history table, etc., etc., but we wanted to implement a quick fix
>>>to the problem of lost messages.  I aw fully aware that this results
>>>in multiple copies of articles with differing message ID's, but that's
>>>preferable to not having the article show up at all.
>>
>>I don't agree with this at all. Lost message aren't as big a nuisance
>>as duplicate messages.
>
>Must be the archetypal matter of taste.  But there is the prime Internet
>mail directive to consider:  "First, lose no messages" - or however you
>want to phrase it.  No?

NO!

While you are correct that mail messages should be delivered whenever possible
the point is that the news messages probably don't belong in the mail in the
first place!

Internet mailing lists are _not_ the same thing as newsgroups and should _not_
be treated the same way.  People who gateway mailing lists into newsgroups
should be aware that they are doing so as a convenience to their users but
that mailing lists have completely different guidelines from newsgroups.

IMNSHO, you should not permit crossposting to mailing lists.  Period.
IMNSHO, you should not permit followup messages to mailing lists.  Period.

Both of these "features" of newsgroups cause major grief to mailing list
recipients.

Aydin Edguer
aggravated sun-managers member
Xref: sparky news.software.b:2773 news.software.nntp:1015
From: urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs)
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Announcing the release of InterNetNews
Date: 22 Aug 1992 17:02:04 +0200
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1

In news.software.b, article <1992Aug22.024203.25331@pony.Ingres.COM>,
  rog@Ingres.COM (Roger Taranto) writes:
> The INN Install.ms says (on page 19) that "There have been reports that
> the VAX Ultrix 4.2 _malloc_ doesn't work well with _innd_...."
> 
I'm the one who reported that.

> Does anyone have any more info on this?  I'd like to install INN on a
> the aforementioned machine.
> 
The problem is that "normal" malloc implementations try to coalesce adjacent
free blocks and to allocate smaller chunks of big free areas.
This can lead to severe memory fragmentation with somd malloc()/free()
sequences. innd apparently triggers this.
The result is that swap space gets bigger and bigger, and so does the working
set because malloc has to walk through the whole free list trying to find a
suitable free block.

The solution: There's a malloc supplied with INN. It is a very simple malloc
(round up the allocation size to the nearest 2^n and keep a free list for
every n), but it's fast and it doesn't walk through any free lists trying to
coalesce blocks. With that malloc, process image size is about 20% bigger
(at first) but the working set is smaller. More importantly, innd reaches
some kind of steady state after a few hours or days.

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From: fsnlb@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Gateway between mailing lists and News
Date: 18 Aug 92 02:59:56 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

One of the projects in our systems department involves gatewaying mailing lists
into ANU News.  I'm trying to find a way to provide a gateway between mailing
lists on bitnet and a local newsgroup in ANU News.  Is there a patch or software
available for doing this?  I'd appreciate any input about this.  Thanks in
advance.


Nathan Bills
University of Alaska Computer Network
Email addr: fsnlb@acad3.alaska.edu
Xref: sparky news.software.b:2724 news.software.nntp:987
From: kyle@wendy-fate.UU.NET (Kyle Jones)
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: mail2news patch for mailing to multiple newsgroups
Date: 14 Aug 1992 16:45:45 -0400
Organization: UUNET Communications
NNTP-Posting-Host: wendy-fate.uu.net

SEB1525@MVS.draper.com (Steve Bacher) writes:
 > A more comprehensive solution would involve looking up the
 > message ID in a history table, etc., etc., but we wanted to
 > implement a quick fix to the problem of lost messages.  I aw
 > fully aware that this results in multiple copies of articles
 > with differing message ID's, but that's preferable to not
 > having the article show up at all.

casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik) writes:
 > I don't agree with this at all.  Lost message aren't as big a
 > nuisance as duplicate messages.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: a3@rivm.nl (Adri Verhoef)
Subject: Re: c-news compiling on SCO
Organization: Rijksinstituut voor Volksgezondheid en Milieuhygiene,Bilthoven,NL
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 02:38:07 GMT

In article <sco-resolution-aug-11-92@plts.uucp> and
>>In article <SCOre-one-for-the-jokersters@plts.uucp>
	tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>>>Read doc/problems (if you've got an old distribution, it may be
>>>notebook/problems) for a full description.
>
>   ``Historically the only normal compilation option needed for most
>     programs is -O, but again compilers, especially newer ones, differ.
>     (NOTE:  many 386 compilers miscompile dbz if -O is used!)
>     What options should be given to the compiler [-O]?''

So, the default is -O.  But if I give a RETURN, it will take the default.
(Now think for a moment you're an inexperienced C-programmer.  Or worse.)
What should I type?  What option should I give to the compiler?
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Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.nntp
From: kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz)
Subject: Re: Announcing the release of InterNetNews
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:06:26 GMT

In <BtE2Ay.6Fu@mtholyoke.edu> jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) writes:

| Can these patches be fairly easily adapted to INN's nnrpd?

Just install - probably not, I doubt it would be too difficult
to add them (if they're not there already - I don't use that stuff).

| Or can I maybe use my current nntpd as a replacement for INN's nnrpd until such
| a time as the newsreader provide support for nnrpd?

This you can certainly do, works just fine - nnrpd is used two places
normally - one if a host that isn't defined as a known NNTP peer site
connects, and the second if a known site (including the local one) gives
a "mode reader" command to innd.

Changing the first to use nntpd is easy, and useful if you have random
sites connect to you, and you don't know whether they are going to want
to transfer news (IHAVE) or read/post (nnrpd only supports the latter).

Changing the latter is just a bit trickier, in that the Makefiles will
install nnrpd on top of nntpd if you indicate that the path to be
exec'd is your nntpd - you will need to go and move nntp back (from
nntpd.OLD) after the makefile has finished installing everything.

kre
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: hkfied01@vlsi.louisville.edu (Hans K. Fiedler)
Subject: cnews on HPUX
Organization: University of Louisville
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 04:38:23 GMT

I remember seeing some discussion of problems with posting in cnews on
HPUX systems, but didn't need the information then.  Could someone who
has done this or kept the fix, forward me a copy of it.  Thanks for the
help.
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Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
Subject: Re: reading doc/problems (was Re: c-news compiling on SCO)
Organization: Mentor Graphics, Silicon Design Division
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:20:46 GMT

In <Bt4x5o.Ez8@world.std.com> geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer) writes:

>    stuff.  Note, in particular, that the Formatter Police are not going to
>    come and drag you away for reading the raw sources, which are not very
>    complicated or hard to read.  If you absolutely can't read anything

Do we know that this is true?  If someone has been taken away by
the Formatter Police we would never hear from them again, would
we?

Tom (who is too afraid to try it, so he always uses nroff) Limoncelli

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Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: john@cat.syr.edu (John Kastler)
Subject: C news administration
Keywords: cnews admin book 
Organization: CASE Center, Syracuse University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 11:09:00 EDT

In the biblio file in the cnews distribution (doc/biblio) it mentions the book
"Managing UUCP and Usenet".  The file says "it  is overwhelmingly  the right place 
for a novice system administrator."

Is this "the" book to have if your system is on the Internet?  I've heard it is a
good book for news in general.

Thanks for any input you can provide.

John

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Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
From: hays@ponder.ponca.dupont.com
Subject: Re: Can't add new newsgroup
Reply-To: hays@ponder.ponca.dupont.com
Organization: Conoco Inc., Ponca City, OK
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:55:10 GMT

What is the recommended way to repair the corruption of the files?  Do I
have to start over?  The CONVERTS work fine on the indexed files.  I looked
in the NEWS.GROUPS file to see if there really was a newsgroup with that name
already in it but there was not.  Any suggestions?  Thanks.

Randy Hays
Conoco Inc.
Ponca City, OK
From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane)
Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
Subject: Re: Can't add new newsgroup
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:08:19 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In <1992Aug20.180636.2145@es.dupont.com>, hays@ponder.ponca.dupont.com writes:
> I am a new users to ANU-News.  We just got it installed and are trying
> to set it up for a feed.  We have got the feed setup but it appears to
> have filled up the indexed file with Newsgroups.  When I tried to add a
> new newsgroup now, it gives me a %RMS-F-DUP, duplicate key detected
> (DUP not set) error message.  What do I need to do to fix it?  Thanks.

One (or both) of the index files that NEWS uses has become corrupted
somehow. What version of NEWS are you running?
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From: daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
Subject: SYSLCK error when running NEWS
Date: 14 Aug 92 07:51:51 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

Has anybody seen this before (when attempting to run NEWS.EXE):

	NEWS is curently locked - forced image exit (SYSLCK)


The previous time NEWS is called is in a detached process which does the daily
SKIM. The SKIM finishes OK. This detached process then kicks off another
detached process to add new news, but the first time that this tries to run
NEWS.EXE it produces the above message.

NEWS.EXE (6.0-3) is installed with SYSPRV and SYSLCK. VMS version is 5.5-1.

Any ideas?

Dave
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From: munroe@dmc.com (Dick Munroe)
Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
Subject: Following threads through references:
Date: 13 Aug 92 06:16:33 EDT
Organization: Doyle, Munroe Consultants, Inc., Hudson, MA

Does ANU NEWS support following a thread by reference?  I can get to the
beginning of a thread using read/topic but that's about it.  Nothing in the
docs indicate that it CAN do this, but it would be nice if it could.
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From: bruce@ais.com (Bruce C. Wright)
Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
Subject: Re: Getting a directory listing to a file?
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:57:44 GMT
Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC

In article <1992Aug17.211439.1@eql10.caltech.edu>, rankin@eql10.caltech.edu (Pat Rankin) writes:
> In article <1992Aug17.130343.5731@ais.com>, bruce@ais.com (Bruce C. Wright) writes:
>> Does anyone know of a good way to get a directory of the articles
>> in a newsgroup written to a file (sort of like the DCL command
>> DIRECTORY/OUTPUT=file)?
> 
> NEWS> EXTRACT/DIRECTORY=NEWSITEMS filename
> should do the trick.  DIR/OUTPUT=filename does seem more intuitive...

Thanks to Pat and the other people for answering my question - EXTRACT
would probably be one of the last places I'd look for that function
(in other VMS utilities it extracts item(s), not directories or lists,
& that's its usual purpose in NEWS too).  /OUTPUT= is the usual way
to send the output to a file ... wonder why NEWS accepts it and then
ignores it.  Oh well.

Thanks again -

Bruce C. Wright
From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane)
Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
Subject: Re: Following threads through references:
Date: 13 Aug 92 08:43:15 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In <1992Aug13.061633.4425@dmc.com>, munroe@dmc.com (Dick Munroe) writes:
> Does ANU NEWS support following a thread by reference?

I suppose you mean something different than READ/FOLLOWUP?
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Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
From: newsmgr@exodus.valpo.edu
Subject: Expected System Loads
Organization: Valparaiso University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:35:43 GMT
X-Posted-From: exodus.valpo.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

ANU-NEWS users:

I now have ANU-NEWS up and running on our VAX in client mode, but I am thinking
about setting news up in full server mode as well.  However, I have been warned 
by a UNIX person that this is too heavy a load for our VAX.  Naturally, I don't
quite beleive them, but I want to check first.

We have a VAX 4000-300.  I would like to hear from others what kinds of system
loads you are experiencing with your systems.  We would be looking at bringing
in a full news feed and acting as a server to one, maybe two, other local
sites, one over TCP/IP, the other over DECNET.

Thanks.

Eric Vaandering

NEWSMGR@EXODUS.VALPO.EDU
Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
From: hays@ponder.ponca.dupont.com
Subject: Re: Can't add new newsgroup
Reply-To: hays@ponder.ponca.dupont.com
Organization: Conoco Inc., Ponca City, OK
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:23:59 GMT

>One (or both) of the index files that NEWS uses has become corrupted
>somehow. What version of NEWS are you running?

We are running V6.0-3 (14-Mar-1991)
From: daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
Subject: Re: Setting up mailing list newsgroup
Date: 14 Aug 92 07:41:30 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Aug13.084013.42306@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane) writes:
> In <1992Aug12.100150.8219@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>> SET NEWSG <group>/MAILLIST=<mailing list address> seems to work in that a
>> message posted to the group is sent to the mailing list; however, the message
>> does not appear in the newsgroup. Is this behaviour expected?
> 
> Yes.  You should have an account set up somewhere that is subscribed
> to the newsgroup and a batch job that collects the mail from the list
> and adds it to the NEWS database.  The articles emailed to the list
> will get added locally when they come back from the list.
> 
>> If so, is there a way of forcing the message to appear in the
>> newsgroup as well as being sent to the mailing list?
> 
> Not without writing software.  There is no easy way to make sure that
> every article won't get added twice, once when it is posted and once
> when it comes back from the list.  I have some software that will take
> a NEWS batch file and send it to a mailing list as if it came from the
> original poster, but it depends on your having PMDF. There is also a
> version for MX if you have that.  These program will do what you want,
> providing the mailing list can be set up to preserve the Message-Id
> header that you send it.
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Thanks Bob. I already have the output of several mailing lists pushed into
newsgroups, so doing another one is not a problem.

Dave
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From: becker@edwards-vax.af.mil
Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
Subject: Re: News server crashed from article
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:26:21 GMT
Organization: IFAST - EDWARDS Air Force Base

From: williamsca@hiramb.bitnet (Curtis Williams)

>I just spent the entire weekend trying to figure out why my NNTP_TCPUCXM server
>kept crashing.  After discussions with my primary feed, we figured out that I
>kept getting hung on the same article.  This article caused the server to crash.
>Below is the header information from that article.  Did this cause problems for
>anyone else?  What does one do with 700,000+ blank lines?

message deleted.....

Just wanted you to know that I had a similar problem about a month ago,
a message from mentrog that crashing me.  Turned out it was a bad header.
I guess that sort of thing happens from time to time.
From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane)
Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
Subject: Re: Problem with feeding other sites
Date: 21 Aug 92 08:57:29 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Aug21.170800.455@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>,
 cctr127@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz (Jason Haar) writes:
> First off, I was wrong, we aren't running 5.5 - it's actually A5.5, but I
> don't think that makes a difference. It looks like we are dropping about
> 10% of all newsitems that we are supposed to be sending on to our
> downstream sites.

The first thing to do is to take a careful look at the articles that
aren't getting sent.  Do they have Distribution: headers? Are they in
groups that should be accepted by the NEWS.SYS filter for the site you
are supposed to send them to?  The most likely reason for a problem
like this is that your NEWS.SYS file isn't configured to send on the
articles.  I currently feed about 15 sites via nntp with no problems
or missing articles.

> serious. Any ideas where to start? Debugging isn't an option as I assume
> the problem lies in NNTP_TCPWINMULTINET (accepting the items, but failing
> to write to COLLECT.IDS on some messages).

All the nntp server does is accept the incoming article and put it in
a file called NEWS_MANAGER:NNTP_*.BATCH. It doesn't put the message id
anywhere, unless less the incoming article is sent using the POST
command. Article Ids are added to the COLLECT.IDS file by the NEWS
command ADD FILE.
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Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
Subject: RE: Following threads through references:
From: Geoff Huston <G.Huston@AARNET.EDU.AU>
Date: 14 Aug 1992 09:06:34 +1000
Reply-To: Geoff Huston <G.Huston@AARNET.EDU.AU>
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

> Does ANU NEWS support following a thread by reference?  I can get to the
> beginning of a thread using read/topic but that's about it.  Nothing in the
> docs indicate that it CAN do this, but it would be nice if it could.
 
It can - but in a limited way
 
the command is READ/FOLLOWUP or READ/NEW/FOLLOWUP, which will present
items to you in a like subject thread.
 
I have mucked around on a full threaded reader, following the reverse
allow the reader to peruse through the tree but there are a number of
complications...
 
a) (assuming that you can construct such a ref tree) should a reader
    be breadth or detch first?
 
b) what tools do you need to navigate through a tree in terms of visual
   feedback?
 
c) how do you manage sparse trees where internodes are missing, or
arrive later?
 
d) what compute and disk space is required for a ref tree to be
maintained?
 
answer these (and probably more) and you'll probably have designed a
threaded reader!
 
 
Geoff
From: munroe@dmc.com (Dick Munroe)
Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
Subject: Help setting up regional distributions
Date: 16 Aug 92 09:43:52 EDT
Organization: Doyle, Munroe Consultants, Inc., Hudson, MA

I'm puzzled by the effect regional distributions have.  If I specify a
distribution, all news items with that distribution field are forwarded, EVEN
if the specified news group is NOT requested by the forwarded.  I was under the
impression that items would be forwarded only if both the newsgroup AND
distributions matched.

The examples in NEWS.SYS show things of the form:

foo: all,world, ....

and I see the behavior described above if I do the same.  I've tried:

foo: all,!all.*,world,!world.*, ...

with no joy.  I checked TFD, but the text versions are dumb on the issue.

I MUST be doing something wrong, but what?
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