HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Call/Fax/Write Fernandez
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:36:15 GMT


In article <1gncmtINNscs@hp-col.col.hp.com>, smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
|> rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden) writes:
|> > But don't expect us to whoop for joy when we're still considered
|> > "unnatural" and "abnormal".
|> > 
|> > Of course we're working for acceptance.  Tolerance is an important
|> > first step, but it is only the first step...
|> 
|> With "you can't please everyone" in mind:
|> 
|> Do you accept religion's "right" (for lack of a better word) to teach 
|> that homosexuality is an "abomination" (I think that's the word I've
|> heard used) against God, and is therefore immoral and evil? 

On church property they can say whatever they want. 

Religious prejudice has no place in secular public
education.

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Any GOOD gay bars in Falls Church, VA?
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:22:21 -0500
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation
Distribution: world
Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com
X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1b22

decot@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Dave Decot) writes:
> > Does anybody know the address of some good "gay" bars in or near Falls 
> > Church, VA? 
> 
> The best you can do is hop on 66 and go into DC.  Start in Dupont 
> Circle, at the intersection of P street and 22nd, and find a bar.  
> Diagonally across the intersection from the church is a good start. 

This is good advice.  One thing to be aware of is that there aren't any "good 
*anything* bars" in or near Falls Church, because of a law that prevents the 
operation of any establishment that gets more than half of its revenue from 
the sale of alcoholic beverages.  This means that the "bar scene" in northern 
VA is meager no matter what your tastes are.

The Dupont Circle area and northwest DC have a pretty good variety, though, 
and have the only women's bars in the area.  Also, if you like really big 
dance bars, Tracks DC down by the Navy Yard is nice, although the 
neighborhood's not great and the crowd tends to be mixed unless there's some 
special event going on.  They do, however, have three separate dance floors 
(one outdoors), a sand-court volleyball court, a jacuzzi, and real food, 
which can be nice.

Hope this helps,


Amanda Walker
InterCon Systems Corporation


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhiann@carson.u.washington.edu (Sandy --not Sandra)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:50:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec16.225054.6558
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Dec16.080751.215@gems.vcu.edu> kkenny@gems.vcu.edu (Karen Kenny aka Mel) writes:
B
>
>Lesbian perks abound lately!  All this talk about keeping
>mustaches, beards, and long hair washed and groomed with
>trimmers, wax, mousse, 1-1 1/2 hour waiting periods, etc
>just screams why it's a must for me to maintain a
>*LOW* *MAINTENANCE* *HAIRCUT*!!
>
Sorry to go on and on about Blake's 7, but Servalan's short
hair cut always screamed BUTCH to me.  Whenever she wore the
really clingy tight dresses, I always starred intently at her
breasts to see if she had nipple rings  (yeah, that was the reason I 
was starring there...)  She used the same caressing tones and 
invasive touches on both men and women;  I think she was a butch bi.  
What do you think?

>All that maintenance in the morning just cuts into my
>morning sleep time, an absolutely unacceptable occurrance.
><sigh>  Too bad no morning sex is getting me up early...
>
>Karen
>

here did you say you lived?  
oh, Virginia--a little far for a wake-up call...

Sandy
From: Jim-Guy@cup.portal.com (James Lawrence Blastic)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Devil CD's
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 05:22:55 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec11.202842.25715@athena.mit.edu> <71517@cup.portal.com>

>Charlie Fulton writes:
>>Yeah, yeah, yeah.  CD's have a wider dynamic range, but the sound
>>reproduction within vinyl's narrower range is superior.  Kind of
>
>**NOT**!|x
>
>>like an unbroken line as compared to CD's column chart.
>
>You really think you can *hear* the difference?  Talk about a
>capacity for self-delusion.....

George...agreed wider range vs. superior range is not detectable 
by my "old" ears..but I'm suprised no-one mentioned the
 several nasty things about vinly recordings that one
*CAN* hear -- like their willingness to develop scratches, attract dust,
and warp.  Not to mention the hardware's capacity for unfaithful
reproduction on many systems.

  Jim-Guy               +------------------------------------+
                        |                                    |
                        |"...and may you stay forever young."|
                        |                                    |
                        +------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Certain Cross-Postings
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 02:11:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.235535.21501@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>There is a current thread about the famous 10% figure.  It's
>an interesting topic.  But most of it is cross-posted to
>talk.politics.misc and alt.sex as well as soc.motss.  I ask
>people from soc.motss to drop the other two groups from the
>Newsgroups: line when doing followups.

Thanks, Jess.  In fact, I would go so far as to suggest that people
send e-mail to the perpetrators of such threads, reminding them that
soc.motss is only superficially an appropriate place for this topic.
People are less likely to forget and crosspost if given the
appropriate stimuli.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (A Frank Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Are there any "cures" for homosexuality?
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 09:46:21 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <71457@cup.portal.com> <1992Dec11.022145.2539@rigel.econ.uga.edu>

Wayne Hughes waves his little red rulebook at the bull:

>In article <71457@cup.portal.com> Minotaur@cup.portal.com
>(A Frank Swilling) writes:
>>Jake Coughlin yuks it up:

>>>Minotaur@cup.portal.com (A Frank Swilling) writes:

>>>>What do I win?  What do I win?

>>>A clue, if we're lucky.

>>Colonal Mustard in the library with a wrench.

>>(Hanging my head in remorse.)

>>Oh dear, now I've ruined it for everybody.

>Only if you're right.  Since you're wrong, you drop
>out and the rest of us keep playing.

>Wayne

Oh, I see.  *sniff*

W-w-well, then, here's my Q-Q-Q-Queer Card.  *choke*

And h-h-h-here's all the other c-c-c-clues I collected
in the Clue Line.  *blubber*

And *BAWL* here's all the p-p-p-pods I was saving up
to make you all a nice bowl of Santa Pod Soup.

*WAIL* *BLUBBER*

S-o-o-o long.  G-g-guess I'll s-s-see ya a-a-around...

********** NOT! ************

Nice try, bucko!  Here, hold my place in the Clue Line,
and watch out for meteors.

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: miller@triton.unm.edu (R.C. Miller)
Subject: A B&B that needs our support
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 06:33:48 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: na




A day or so ago I saw the Maury Povich show about a gay bed and breakfast
in Russellville, Kentucky.  Two men just opened it up recently and they
were on, along with a local minister and a teenage girl who had driven
up to the B&B to stare, make fun, harass, etc.  She and the minister
were incredibly obnoxious but the audience seemed very supprtive of
the two men. During the show, the girl said she didn't think that the
B&B would make it.

I immediately thought to myself,  in April, thousands of people will be
driving to Washington.  Maybe some of them will have to drive through 
Kentucky...Maybe lots of them can make a point to drive through
Kentucky and pay a little visit to RUSSELLVILE (pun intended), stopping
overnight at the STONE MOUNTAIN BED AND BREAKFAST.

What do you think?


Becky
miller@triton.unm.edu

-- 
Becky Miller@triton.unm.edu
All I want is just a little peace of mind, but the angels won't have it.
-Melissa Etheridge
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Top GLB Fiction
Date: 18 Dec 1992 11:40:30 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1gt2biINN5ug@fido.asd.sgi.com> 
pauli@sgi.com (Paul Isaacs) writes:

> My favorite:
>
> "Dancer From the Dance"   - anyone remember the author?

Andrew Holleran.

Arne
From: lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Aladdin
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:45:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Real/Time Communications


I also heard that the animator sketched a lot of volley ball players on
the beach to get that "V" physique.  Talk about hard work.....
From: max@hilbert.cyprs.rain.com (Max Webb)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Call/Fax/Write Fernandez
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:40:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: hilbert.1992Dec14.214024.29139
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Northwest, Beaverton Oregon

In article <1992Dec12.224623.19093@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon) writes:
>In article <1gdl85INN1qe@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
>writes:
>>*your* imagination to what I am saying.  Do we need to teach "daddy
>>and his roommate sleep together" to teach tolerance? 
>Short answer: yes.
>[...]
>themselves.  The reason, Walter, that you get so hostile a reception
>here is that you are acting as if this world of PARTICULAR oppression
>[...] did not exist,

In fact, he has specifically stated in talk.religion.misc (last week)
that gays violate the rights of others more than the rights of gays
have been violated by society.

>-- 
>Michael L. Siemon		   "Oh, stand, stand at the window,
>					As the tears scald and start;
>mls@panix.com			   You shall love your crooked neighbor
>(please note address)			With your crooked heart."


	Max G. Webb
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Why don't straight people wear genitalia?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:54:14 GMT

Silly woman! It's because we're sex-obsessed and strayts aren't.

John, listening to 2 CD's that he got at the 'Everything's $1.00!!!'
store (Jane Child - 'Welcome to the Real World' Maxi-single, Laurie
Anderson - 'Beautiful Red Dress' maxi-single). Cheap music, good music
(I've got Jane Child's album. Interesting stuff. Haven't heard much
Laurie Anderson; must get more.)

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Kiss me, I'm an aphrodisiac!

		...and may all your Yuletides be trite.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Posting Styles
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:55:15 GMT


There's really two ways to deal with people on the
net.  One is to try and figure out where they're 
coming from, what their motives and agendas are,
and to respond to that no matter what their words
say.  This method requires that you be a very good
judge of people.

The other is to take what people write at face value - 
when someone says "fuck you" you respond to that.
If your style is to say "fuck you" back, then you
say it.  Period.  This method requires that you
read clearly and for content.

The first method sounds preferable, but it is in fact
the one that Tracey used in her first response to me.
She judged me to be a certain way and to have certain
motives and she responded to that - not to what I wrote.

The second method would have been preferable for her
to use, but a lot of the disagreement between her and
Steve is that this is the method *he* used in responding
to her posting.

And of course, some people will say "fuck you"
no matter *what* you say.

People post things here they would *never* say in the
same way if this same group of people was physically 
all in one big room.  I'm not talking about subjects or
opinions, I'm talking about thoughtless, immature, and
sloppy blathering.  It's a waste of time for everyone
who sees it, and it makes soc.motss less pleasant.

One way to "train" people to think more and to pay 
attention to what and how they're writing - i.e. 
net-socialize them - is to be very critical at first, 
because based on experience being nice and coddling 
doesn't work, not on the net.  Once you've been blasted 
a few times for posting without thinking, the quality of 
posts tends to improve.  I've seen it happen quite
a few times, and it needs a level of forceful language 
because there are no other ways - such as tone of voice, 
body language, etc - to get across the social disapproval 
for being childish and annoying.  

And I think this may not work with women.  We've 
discussed here the socialization that men and women
go through, women being taught to shut up and listen
and men being taught to talk louder to get their
points across.  The effect on the average male of
being "yelled at" here is probably very different 
than for a female.  But yet males don't have any
strong hold on net cluelessness (unless you use 
soc.men as an example.)

I don't know what the solution is.


-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GLAAD: Spike Lee Controversy
Date: 18 Dec 92 06:55:22 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

[re: Spike Lee's homophobia]

It boggles the mind.  His attitudes are as repugnant as racism within
the queer community, only worse: the little weasel fuck receives praise
for his "thought-provoking" work.  Evidently, his skin isn't dark enough
yet to learn from it.
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

"Sex is a filter, and it admits a certain vision."  - William S. Burroughs
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@vccsouth15.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Kansas City Human Rights Ordinance
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:01:19 GMT

cgross@.informix.com (Cary Gross) writes:

>The group behind the petition drive FIRED UP is against a portion of the
>ordinance that sets up a task force to investigate any discrimination 
>against gays and lesbians.  This ordinance does not provide any "special"
>rights for g/l just a arena to draft a proposal.  The commission has drafted
>a Bias Crimes ordinance that would provide for stiffer penalties if a crime
>is committed against someone due to sexual orientation.
>Everyone breathed a small sigh of relief when this happened, but to our horror it was reported that the City Clerk had in error counted 172 as duplicates.
>FIRED UP states they have no problem with the ordinance itself except that 
>quote "We oppose giving minority status because of the way people choose to
>have sex".  Some of the petition gatherers also told people that the civil
>rights ordinance would force churches to hire homosexual pastors.

Ok, let me try and get this clear. There is an ordinance in place that sets up
a task force that can investigate discrimination on the basis of sexual
orientation, right?

There is a petition organisatoin called FIRED UP that is trying to get rid of
the whole ordinance of Kansas City because it allows this task force to be set
up?

Or are they trying to overturn the hate crimes ordinance that the comission
drafted?

>Our mayor Emanuel Cleaver (a Methodist minister) has stated his opposition to
>FIRED UP's actions to overturn the oridnance.  Also several members of the
>city council have also stated their opposition.

>It did take over six months for this group to obtain the 9,700 registered
>signatures to get this issue on the ballot. The issue missed a February  
>election by two days.  If the city council is forced to put the issue to a 
>special ballot it would cost at least $200,000.

>If this law is struck down, people could not pursue civil rights at the city
>level. As written this deals with complaints based on race, sex, national
>origin, ancestry, age, disablity and religion (nothing to do with sexual
>orientation).  FIRED UP believes that this commission believes this Human
>Rights Commisiion will lead to passage of civil rights for homosexuals.
>"Its not a hate campaign," says Connie Cierpiot "We just don't believe its
>a civil rights issue."

Maybe you could explain exactly what the ordinance is and when it passed?
And what does it do?

Then explain exactly what FIRED UP is trying to do?

What exactly can be done to avoid the special election?
What can people outside of Kansas City do?
What can people IN Kansas City do?


-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735  ***Clinton-Gore 92!***
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cannot be infringed." --1992 Republican National Committee campaign platform
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: More AIDS absurdity - 1Billion AIDS cases
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:33:40 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca

In article <MDAY.92Dec17142302@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu>  
mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
>    gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:
> 
>    [while flaming Arthur Hu]
> 
> 	   Oh, that's right. You're an engineer.  You don't have to learn
>    stuff like math or statistics.
> 
> Unfair, Roger.  Lots of engineers know enough math and statistics to
> tell that Arthur doesn't know what he's talking about.  Don't go
> insulting all of us because of his inadequacies.

Indeed; *some* of us Engineers have to take nasty stuff like complex  
analysis, linear algebra, PDE's and Green's functions. 

Stats, too. 

Now if I could only figure out why you can't cancel the d's...
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: The Usenet Soc.Motss Tales
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:16:58 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1992Dec17.031815.14042@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno) writes:

>In article <X1991Aug11.010159.19033@athena.mit.edu> max@athena.mit.edu  
>(Max Meredith Vasilatos) writes:
>> The Usenet Soc.Motss Tales

>> Of sundry folk happening then to fall
>> In fellowship, and they were LGBO* all

>Damn, I thought I had this Chaucerian stuff licked.

>Now, just *how* am I supposed to pronounce LGBO*?

Just follow the lead of the (seemingly) most profuse poster from Apple:

Lig-bow-SPLAT

:-)

--
=======================================================================
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From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: State laws regarding same-sex marriage (was: Maybe a dumb question...)
Keywords: marriage legal gay
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:27:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: insert anything here

In article <1992Dec18.115603.11761@flood.com> tom@flood.com (Tom Chatt) writes:
>rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

	Well not to get into an argument of opinions, but I can
say that I hope you are right.  It would be a much better outcome 
than if my paranoia is right... :-)

	Sometimes being wrong is the best thing int he world... :-)

BBC
From: owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Call/Fax/Write Fernandez
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:33:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.151552.10923@nmt.edu>, jefu@nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam) writes:
> I'm always a bit bemused by the anti-gay stance of the Catholic church.  I
> used to know a priest who quite regularly spent friday and saturday
> nights in gay bars.  Evidently after a bit the bishop told him that 
> bringing his tricks (sometimes hungover) to church was not in good form, so he
> would leave them in the rectory (is that the word i seek?) for
> breakfast while he celebrated mass.  Then too the stories I hear of 
> groups of brothers (monks or lay(!?) brothers) living together and
> often enough sleeping together as well.  Or the rather low key
> response the church seems to favor for priests who abuse kids.  

In the Original Prime time live piece about catholic clergy
molesting their charges, they said that the church has located
their re-hab center for molesting-ministers in new mexico.

LUX ./. owen

--
D. Owen Rowley {uunet,fernwood,sun}!autodesk!owen

  " It will be a cold March 17th that I celebrate the imposition of
	Romes rule, on Pagan Ireland. Erin go ppphhhhhttttttt! "
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@vccnw06.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Gay Culture at MOW (Re: march on washington '93)
Distribution: soc
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:14:03 GMT

steven@cray.com (Steven Levine) writes:

>In article <1992Dec11.131857.32132@watson.ibm.com>
>jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com writes:
>>
>>...is there any itineraries of gay
>>activities during this weekend?  i'm thinking specifically
>>of gay plays, gay choruses, gay movies, etc...

>I could swear this has been posted several times, but I don't
>have it on file.  Anyway. risking redundancy, this is the info
>I have (it's pretty general).

>Calendar of Events (as of 9/15/92)

In fact I posted it just this week!

-- 
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