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From: pjoseph@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Paul Joseph)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: fabricated posts ("sneaky posts" a la Vijay Fafat)
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:37:43 GMT
Organization: SDSU Computing Services

In article <2491@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca> rangana@cs.uwindsor.ca (RANGANATHAN A            ) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.215534.20092@ncsu.edu>, ssd@eos.ncsu.edu (Srikant Sridevan) writes:

   [stuff deleted]
>
>tsk, tsk. You desi mules have this unfortunate habit of ASSuming.
        
>But, then that's to be expected. After*all*, we have no desire to tax your 
>*lacko mental prowess*, now do we, SAWs ? 
>
>
>Arathi.
>

   I keep wondering - didnt your dad/grandad come from India sometime
   and settle here as a desi.  Desi mule i.e. Surprising though - I thought
   mules are sterile. Hmmm. Well ... who knows .. ;) 

Paul
From: mohans@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (mohan.sekhar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Why Muslin persecution is rempant these days?
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:36:29 GMT
Organization: AT&T

{
>   I agree with your personal opinion, anyways. In this aspect Soviet Marxism
>   and Islam have attained the same objectives. To liberate the "downtrodden"
>   by encouraging them to resort to violent means and inculcating people to

Both are political ideologies masquerading as religions...Both believe that
everything on the face of the earth belongs to them... both have supressed
resistance through terror, torture, tyranny, treason and treachery...
One is already on the verge ob being extinct...the other will shortly follow..
Prasad.
}

Prasad - You have said it right !

I have a question to all our netters -

"Even as US celebrates almost 250 years of democracy, there is not even a 
single country (with muslims in majority) where democracy exists"

Is it just me or IS THERE A REAL PROBLEM WITH THESE PEOPLE when it comes
to a normal, stable and stuctured life like the rest of the world ?

Lucky are those countries who don't carry this curse ...

Mohan
From: pjoseph@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Paul Joseph)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: BJP
Keywords: BJP
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:56:08 GMT
Organization: SDSU Computing Services

In article <1993Jan21.181622.13725@tandem.com> rajesh@Tandem.com (Rajesh Srivastava) writes:

>
>Why not Israel is also a nation like Pakistan,  Iran etc.
>Moreover, we do have  some  similar historical experiences.

  What ??? We have similar historical experiences - who are you talking
  about - Israel ??

>
>I've always wondered why Muslims around the world hate Israel so much.  Could you
>explain that? As far as I know the problems exist only with  adjoining countries and 
>that of Pelestine  ( spelling  ?? ).  Tell me why you are so much against Israel ? 
>

  Firstly the spelling is Palestine - and I think that spells it all - Firstly 
  there is no such country as Palestine - there are only Palestinians, and
  are fighting for their homeland ( the present Israel ) which used to be a
  British colony. After the second world war, due to world sympathy for the
  Jews, Britain coolly decided ( along with the other allies and with pressure
  from Jews all over ) to let Jews ( European ) settle in their homeland
  ( "homeland" - actually cause these Jews had left this area about 2,000
  years ago. 
  So the net result - Palestinians who were living their normally were just
  pushed out of their country and are now herded in camps in the neighboring
  countries. The west doesnt care about these "camel jockeys" who were
  "towels on their heads". Britain or America did not decide to let these
  Jews settle in Oregon -- Be happy it wasnt India.

  And the Indian Government till recent past did not recognise Israel -
  Indira Gandhi supported Ysser Arafat for this reason only.

  And so Muslims around the world hate Israel - it is but natural, though
  Israel has been able to withstand the pressure because of its military
  power and western support ( there are many wealthy Jews in US /Europe )
  and the west doesnt care in particular about Moslems/ Arabs. 

>I am not enrolled on BJP member list.
>

>Rajesh
>

  I am not a member ( either enrolled or philosophically ) of BJP and 
  I am not a Muslim. Just like world politics.

Paul Joseph
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,sci.history,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
Subject: Re: The SOMA of the Soma Sacrifice
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:31:15 GMT

In article <C1Dvvv.MqD@cs.psu.edu> narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana) writes:
>
>              The SOMA of the Soma Sacrifice
>
>  [ most of the article deleted]
>Any help in this regard appreciated.
>
>...kt
>The Soma identity assumes importance if we note that most of the Hindu
>religious components are only intended to achieve that vision which the
>Soma drink used to give to the Aryan priests.
>
>...kt


      It is quite possible that some narcotic herbal preparation was
      used. It is NOT important to find out what it was if one were
      to realize God. If this 'drug' were important many later 
      Maharishis would have mentioned more about these. It is quite
      possible that some later 'vedic rishis' who did not understand what
      the original rishis were talking about and concocted their own 
      versions. 
      What is important is to shed attachements. It is also good to
      shed hatred. Excessive attachment to 'aryan' and 'hindu' are
      are sure hindrances to see the truth. :)

      - Selva


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: aa@iti.org (Aayush Asthana)
Subject: Re: Nn Resident Pakistanis and ethics on SCI
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:06:54 GMT

banerjee@hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:

>lahiri@pion.lanl.gov (Amitabha Lahiri writes:

>>> You don't agree, because you are an NRI only records sake and back home  
>>>in India, you're possibly an NRP (Non Resident Pakistani) ! **SHAME ON  
>>>YOU ***
>>
>>Better than being a resident A$$#0LE, wouldn't you say?

>Please desist from comparing the Non Resident Pakistanis with assholes:

>	1. it is unkind to the resident and nonresident assholes.


Banerjee, how kind should this net be to you?

>	2. Since no such connection has been established, it is unfair to
>	   the Non Resident Pakistanis to apply to them criteria which have
>	   no applicability to them.
>	

?

>	3. It is generally inappropriate for this prudish newsgroup to use
>	   such language and if Mr.Asthana is sufficiently peeved, it may be
>	   your systems administrator who will admonish you in the future.

Semms like this is becoming your pet peeve .-)  Coming from one who
was admonished (even briefly) it simply illustrates that you really
have nothing to say here...   

>Samit

>std. disclaimer  I hope this does not violate Mr.Asthana's code of ethics.

Give it a shot..-)

>		 Please check with me before complaining to my sys.admin.

What happened to free speech all of a sudden?

Generally, I ignore these `childish postings' as one netter asked me
to -- apparently Samit has a personal score to settle with me?  I 
have known for some time that his system administrator said that
Banerjee has lied to everyone on the net about his personal (see @)
relationship with Brian.  I find this sort of subterfuge beneath his
level of training etc.  Hope to see a more positive side of Banerjee
in the near future.  To all those who attempt to complain to
sysadmin's remember you must include an original posting so that it
is clear that these are not fraudulent attempts.  Some people tried
this with me; a trace is in the works -- apparently the same people
who post anonymously tried to create from a sys admin's account a
fraudulent set of complaints (with no basis of course) which was so
patently obvious that now most sys admin's will check archived files
before taking any action which of course is the correct procedure
for correcting any misuse.  Since, I put my name on everything I
write, I am careful about what I say;  if enough of us can think
before posting perhaps we can put this medium to better use?

@ -- check with yamaguch@usc.edu

[] Regards,                                              _  _______  _ 
Aayush Asthana|Tech. Transfer & |Industrial Technology  [_][_     _][_]
-- aa@iti.org |Commercialization| Institute,           [~~~] [   ] [~~~]
     *Disclaimer: Standard*     | Ann Arbor, MI 48103  [___] [___] [___] 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: zxs6373@usl.edu (Siddiqui Zafar)
Subject: Re: Islam - a religion that breeds trouble
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:06:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.194722@IASTATE.EDU> aluru@IASTATE.EDU (Srinivas Aluru) writes:
>In article <C1A5r3.7tn@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu
>(unknown) writes:
>> In article <lm0o7jINN9mn@kalahari.cs.utexas.edu>, anshu@cs.utexas.edu
>(Anshuman Goyal) writes:
>> > Muslims right now have problems with the followers
>> > of all major religions in the world. In India they
>> > fight with the hindus, In middle east and elsewhere
>> > with the jews, in Bosnia,and parts of USSR with
>> > the christians. Does it not suggest something wrong
>> > with them
>> 
>>   No it doesn`t. In India they are oppressed by Hindu`s. In Israel they are
>> unlawfuly deprived of their homeland. In Bosnia they are slaughtered because
>> they are of a different race. And in Russia untll recently, they were denied
>> the right to practive their own religion......
>
>  Recently, in Saudi Arabia, a hindu is punished by state for practicing 
>his religion in the privacy of his own home. I wonder why....
>

  Saudi Arabia follows the sharia selectively. Tolerence of other religions
is an Islamic tenet. They do not follow this. The Saudi government  does not
represent an Islamic government nor Islam.

Zafar

>-aluru
>> 
>> 
>> cheers
>> Rafat Sadiq
>>  


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: zxs6373@usl.edu (Siddiqui Zafar)
Subject: Communal bug bites the Indian police.
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:38:27 GMT



In the past month India has witnessed one of the most barbaric carnages since
independance. The most visible aspect of these riots is the hindu militancy
and extremism bordering on being savage. Less visible albiet the most horrifying
aspect has been the action of the police and paramilitary forces against the 
Muslims. The magnitude of partisan attitude of the police easily surpassed
all the previous 'records' (Jamshedpur, Bhivandi, Bhagalpur, etc). 

 The Time International (Dated Jan. 18) features an article titled 
"Might Vs Rights". Here are some excerpts :

    In nationwide communal riots that erupted after Hindu fanatics destroyed 
    Babri mosque in the town of Ayodhya, 1,200 people were killed; in many 
    areas, residents claimed that most of the deaths - virtually all the
    victims were Muslims- were caused by gunfire from the predominantly Hindu
    police. Charged Ravi Nair, executive director of the New Delhi-based
    South Asia Human Rights Documentation Center: " The riots were presented
    to the world as communal clashes between Hindus and Muslims. In fact they
    were Muslims vs. the police, who seemed to have a Muslims-only trajectory
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------
    for their bullets."
    ------------------ 
   
    Nair's group has released a study of the riots in 13 of India's 25 states;
    the report concludes that 625 Muslims - and no Hindus - were killed by
    the police fire.  (Time International (Dated Jan. 18) )

Its no surprise that the muslims in India has lost faith in the government, the
police (now being called armed Hindus fanatics!) and the judiciary.

The spread of communal feelings within the police force is a very horrific
portent for the future of secularism in India. 

Zafar.
From: rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Why Muslin persecution is rempant these days?
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:50:46 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1993Jan27.132410.19508@usl.edu>, zxs6373@usl.edu (Siddiqui Zafar) writes:
> In article <1993Jan26.194057.3406@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> f0g1@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Prasad Gokhale) writes:
> >In article <1993Jan26.113728.46776@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> >>In article <1993Jan26.151418.9486@bnr.ca>, uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Pooper 2) writes:
> >One is already on the verge ob being extinct...the other will shortly follow..
> 
> Recent studies show that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.
> The rate at which non-muslims are accepting Islam has laid to rest the myth
> that Islam has spread by the sword.


   It also shows that Islam is not just a political philosophy but a way of lifeRafat Sadiq
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: an4234@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Hindus to be blamed for spread of Islam in India
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.indian
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:47:02 GMT


  The spread of Islam in India is to be blamed on Hindus themselves rather than
  forcible conversion by Muslim invaders. Their centuries of inhuman treatment
  of low caste Hindus has forced more of them to embrace Islam, Chritianity,
  Budhism than forcible conversion. If forcible conversion were to be blamed
  most of the converts would have been Brahmins or so called high castes.

  So instead of fighting the muslims the Hindus should clean up their own act
  and start treating their own people as equal and with dignity and respect.
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From: msc9330@geovax.ed.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: AJAY CHANDRA (U OR M)
Date: 23 Jan 93 01:45:27 GMT
Organization: University of Edinburgh, Geography Department.

CAN SOMEONE TELL ME THE E-MAIL ADDRESS OF A PH.D CANIDATE IN 
ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING NAMED AJAY CHANDRA STUDYING AT THE
UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN IN ANN ARBOR.

HOPEFULLY, HE OR SOME OF HIS FRIENDS WILL SEE THIS POSTING.

I HEARD HE WAS GETTING MARIED.

ANUP PRADHAN
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: zxs6373@usl.edu (Siddiqui Zafar)
Subject: Re: Why Muslin persecution is rempant these days? 
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:34:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.141424.9023@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mohans@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (mohan.sekhar) writes:
>{
>Recent studies show that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.
>The rate at which non-muslims are accepting Islam has laid to rest the myth
>that Islam has spread by the sword.
>
>Zafar
>}
>
>I don't think any NON-MUSLIM in the right state of mind is accepting ISLAM.
>
>However, you are right on one thing, AT THE RATE AT WHICH THEY BREED
>THEY ARE SPREADING TOO FAST .... No competition there !!!
>
>Mohan

Another example of anti-muslim rhetoric! 

Zafar
From: srsurapa@mtu.edu (Surapanani)
Subject: The Wall ------  A POEM
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:39:33 GMT
X-Posted-From: chem8.chem.mtu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


            The Wall


     The cowboy gazes at the wall
         not the great wall of China
         or the wall of Pink Floyd's
         it's the wall built around us
         in the form of religion
         creed and constitution


     The eighties have come and gone
         so did the red wall of Russian communism
         and the pink wall separating Germany
         from east and west


     As the wall of red shattered
         so did the shackles of oppression
         but the menace of religion
         lay intact and deadly
         as the blood spilled and splattered
         from Bosnia to Hercegovnia


     The rape of Bosnia continues
         with pillage and plunder
         as the red wall shattered
         without any cover
         to the menace bigger than
         either creed and constitution


     Religion, the wall of no color
         with heads and fangs of different color
         one shading the other
         with its venom and serum
         showering death and doom
         on people of all color


      As the wall of pink shattered
         so did the shackles of constitution
         as oppression gave way to freedom
         with the fall of communism
         and rise of capitalism


      The wall of pink did shatter
         the menace of constitution
          but not the menace of creed
         as the skin heads and Nazi
         rise on the harmless refuge


      Religion, the wall of no color
         it can be shaped as a
         Temple or Tomb
         depends on how we
         build the wall
         from the bricks of all color


      My India,
         from the snow banks of Kashmir
         to the sand banks of Kanyakumari
         from the turbans of Punjab
         to the tigers of Bengal
         with the same creed and constiution
         of shades of brown, black and fair
         and freedom of liberty


      Religion, the wall of no color
         to be build from the foundations
         of bricks of all color
         from Hindu, Muslim
         Sikh, Jew, Christian
         Buddha and Zoroastrian


      The cowboy dreams of the day
         when peace and tranquility
         gains the upper hand
         over discord and disharmony
         as the materialism and spirituality
         goes hand in hand
         with the bricks of all color
         laying foundations to shape 


    " The Temple of Love"



                               Srini Surapanani


       (The Cowboy from the land of holy cows and magic fakirs)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ssd@eos.ncsu.edu (Srikant Sridevan)
Subject: Re: fabricated posts ("sneaky posts" a la Vijay Fafat)
Originator: ssd@vayu.psrc.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: ssd@apollo.psrc.ncsu.edu (Srikant Sridevan)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:00:56 GMT


In article <2475@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca>, rangana@cs.uwindsor.ca
(RANGANATHAN A            ) writes:

> In article <1jle10INNkhg@aludra.usc.edu>, fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay
> Fafat) writes:
> > SSD writes:
> [.......]
> 
> > 	hehehehehehe :) you'll do just fine on SCI, SSD :)
> > 
> > 	FFT
> 
> with FFT for role-model, sure Srikant, You will do just fine.
> 

Thanks a lot, Black Belt Jones. Now that you've cowmplimented me, I can
retire from SCI.

> Arathi.
> 
> 
> PS : ;-), for the humour impaired.
> 

Srikant

Look Ma, no P.S. ;-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Pooper 2)
Subject: Re: Why Muslin persecution is rempant these days? 
Organization: bnr.ca
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:45:43 GMT

Ref: Mohan, Prasad et al	

Why pick on Muslims...the only Hindu nation (Nepal) has no
democracy either.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mohans@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (mohan.sekhar)
Subject: Re: Why Muslin persecution is rempant these days? 
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:14:24 GMT

{
Recent studies show that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.
The rate at which non-muslims are accepting Islam has laid to rest the myth
that Islam has spread by the sword.

Zafar
}

I don't think any NON-MUSLIM in the right state of mind is accepting ISLAM.

However, you are right on one thing, AT THE RATE AT WHICH THEY BREED
THEY ARE SPREADING TOO FAST .... No competition there !!!

Mohan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american,rec.music.misc
From: pavan@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (A.Pavan)
Subject: Kathak Dance troupe performing in N America
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:42:26 GMT


Nritya Jyoti Dance Inc., based in Minneapolis, MN, presents "That Tremendous
Word - LOVE", a thematic presentation of various aspects of love. Based on
Kathak, the classical storytelling dance style of North India, choreographer
Rita Mustaphi, expresses the emotion of love and its manifestations in
creation, preservation and destruction. The stories are chosen from the
centuries old rich mosaic of epics, mythology and folklore of India.

Nritya Jyoti Dance Inc. is fortunate to have the talents of visiting artists
from India, who will be performing in both dance and music. They are -
Santosh Kumar, a well known choreographer/dancer whose choreography will
also be presented in these shows; Rajeev Chakrabarty, an accomplished Sarod
artist and singer, Kousic Sen, a wizard in the Indian Drums - Tabla, and
vocalist Debasis Sarkar.

"That Tremendous Word - Love" will be presented in colorful traditional
costumes from India.

In the Kathak style of Indian Classical dance, the storyteller uses dance,
music, poetry and mime along with visual arts of painting and sculpture
which makes Kathak dance a well rounded experience of Indian arts.

This production of "LOVE" will be dramatically expressed over a cycle of life,
from unhurried infancy, through childhood, the mischievous youth, the 
responsible adulthood and the twilight years of humans. Love will be used as 
a common thread to tie the stages of life. The rich language of gestures
and mime in Kathak style of Indian classical dance will be used to interpret
the mood created by the melody. There will be narrative elements to help
the audience understand better.

If you would like to organize a performance of the same in September - 
November 1993, in your area, please contact :

Rita Mitra Mustaphi
Nritya Jyoti Dance Inc.
5444 Orchard Ave. N.
Crystal, MN, 55429

Ph # : (612)537-8291

*****

Nritya Jyoti Dance Inc. is a non-profit organization of Asian Indians in
Minnesota, established to promote educational, cultural and artistic needs
of the community, through the creation, presentation and sponsorship of
artistic, cultural and educational endeavors. The purpose of Nritya Jyoti
is to present, promote and train new talents in Indian performing arts
and thus encourage creativity in the field of Indian dance.

*****
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bond@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Girish)
Subject: Re: Is "Statesman" newspaper?
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:48:56 GMT

In article <narula.728067522@dhostwo> narula@convex.com (Harpal Narula) writes:
>
>The Statesman was a daily newspaper published in Calcutta, India. I'm not
                                                                   ^^^^^^^^
>certain that it is still around. I doubt that there are any copies or microfilm
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>of it in the US. There might be some in the U.K though.
>


    It is still around. It is regularly published from Delhi and Calcutta.
In fact, last week I posted an editorial from the same newspaper.

--Girish.
From: parthas@vms.ucc.okstate.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Info needed please....
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:51:36 GMT
Organization: Oklahoma State University Computer Center

Hi
Does anyone know the best way to send money to India ?
I would appreciate any info to my address
parthas@doug.nmsu.edu
Thanks in advance...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu,soc.culture.tamil