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From: john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght)
Subject: Re: golf shoes
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: sqnt
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 15:27:49 GMT

"James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com> writes:

>Nikes, Reebock, and so forth are all new territory for me.  I tried one 
>of the track-shoe styles a few years ago -- HATED THEM.  Bass sucks.  
>Florsheim sucks.  Just IMHO.

Reebok makes a good all leather shoe.  I bought a pair this summer and they
were real comfortable.

>I look for firm support, hence leather (fake is ok) uppers.  Some golf 
>shoes have a thick sole that will destroy your footwork -- you are 
>too far off the ground -- avoid them.  Hushpuppies come to mind - 
>terrible.  Be sure the shoes are waterproof -- you won't be sorry.

Maybe it's just me, but I've never had a pair of shoes that lasted more
than 6 months.  The waterproofing has never lasted more than 3 or 4, no
mater how I try to take care of them.  I have a pretty strong shift to my
left side and seem to blow out the left side of the stiching.

>the feet "squirming" during the swing.  As for the non-spike styles, 
>they're ok for dry courses, but I still don't like them because they 
>seem to tear up the greens worse than spikes.  This could just be my 
>imagination, however.  They are not nearly as stable as spikes, either.

The USGA did a study and has recommende spikeless shoes as being better for
the greens.  My club has asked us to wear them.  The ones they recommend
are made by Footjoy and the soles look a lot like my Rockports with a
little larger ridges going across them.  We have an 18 hole putting course
where they don't allow spikes at all.

John Vander Borght
john@sequent.com
-- 
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John Vander Borght
john@sequent.com
From: mdb@netcom.com (Mark Bisgeier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Golf Etiquette Part 1/5
Date: 29 Dec 92 14:53:25 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


I'd be interested in your analysis of etiquette vis-a-vis the Rules of Golf...
is there an instance where etiquette is inconsistent with the Rules (e.g.,
the common practice of a player off the green putting or chipping first
even though someone on the green may be further away from the hole and the
away player has not really given his consent to let the off-green player
play)?
-- 

Mark Bisgeier              mdb@netcom.com
       ...Let your mind wander... 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: sercely@convex.com (Ron Sercely)
Subject: Re: golf shoes, spike marks, rules question
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:27:10 GMT
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <lareau.16.0@esmlsun.gatech.edu> lareau@esmlsun.gatech.edu (Neil W. Lareau) writes:
>3) Rule question:  I understand now that in tournament play, it is illegal 
>for me to fix the spike marks on a green, even after we have completed the 
>hole.  I understood it had some origin in college team golf, with players '
>fixing greens for the players behind them.
>
>Neil W. Lareau
>Georgia Tech Research Institute			Standard Disclaimers Apply
>Atlanta Georgia

I have not heard of this but will hazard a guess.  I believe the following
would be _illegal.

Players finish on a green, walk to next teeing ground, players from following
group hit onto the green, _then_ a player who has completed the hole goes back
and repairs a spike mark.  I believe this _would_ be improving the lie and
illegal.

It makes no sense that a player cannot cleanup the course _after_ completion
of playing a hole, if it is not directly providing help to a following team
mate.

Similarly, most of us have seen foot prints in a bunker, and have smoothed
out the bunker in consideration of succeeding plaryers.  If spike marks are
unfixable, so should bunkers.

Hey, I'm on a roll, after _you_ hit out of a bunker, _you_ can't rake the
bunker,  because your team mate in the next group might get a better lie! :-)

Happy Holidays fellow Hackers!

Ron Sercely
From: templin@grayling.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Fred Templin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Regripping clubs - need advice
Date: 21 Dec 1992 18:35:10 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grayling.cs.berkeley.edu

Hello,

I've got a set of Hogan Edge Irons (2-PW, SW) and Taylor Made Tour
Preferred Metal Woods (1-3-5). I've had them for about 1.5 yrs and
have played alot of golf with them, so I feel like it's time to get
them regripped. (The grips are starting to get a "slick" feeling, too.)
Since I've never gotten a set of clubs regripped before, here are a
few questions:

	- I have large hands (an XL Foot-Joy golf glove is snug on me)
	  and I sometimes feel that there's "not enough meat" on my
	  current grips to fit my hands. Should I ask the shop to put
	  oversized grips on when I get the clubs regripped?

	- My woods and irons have different types of grips on them. The
	  woods have the type with the "arrow" which allows you to align
	  your grip properly, while the irons have the stock Hogan grips
	  with little angle-bracket type marks which point down the shaft.
	  Should I get the same kind of grips for the woods and irons, or
 	  should I get different types as they are now?

	- What are the best types of grips to get?

	- How much should I expect to pay for each club to be regripped?

Well, thanks in advance for any advice you can give. Merry Christmas to
all!

Fred
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	Fred L. Templin
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: skulldoc@carson.u.washington.edu (Gregory Faulkner)
Subject: Re: golf shoes
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:36:07 GMT

"James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com> writes:

>>DATE:   Mon, 21 Dec 92 15:27:49 GMT
>>FROM:   John Vander Borght <john@sequent.com>
>>
>>"James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com> writes:
>>
>>
>>The USGA did a study and has recommende spikeless shoes as being better for
>>the greens.  My club has asked us to wear them.  The ones they recommend
>>are made by Footjoy and the soles look a lot like my Rockports with a
>>little larger ridges going across them.  We have an 18 hole putting course
>>where they don't allow spikes at all.

>Glad to hear this.  Like I said, it was probably my imagination because 
>it didn't seem logical.  I think my opinion was formed watching some 
>pretty clumsy-footed people doing a number around the hole, twisting their
>feet, etc.  Come to think of it, they'd have really dug a crater with 
>spikes!  My comments on spikeless should not have even been made at all 
>because I've never worn a pair. I was just passing on comments from 
>those who have.


Interesting, but from what I remember of the whole spiked vs. spikeless debate 
of several years ago, the opposite conclusion was arrived at - that is, that
spikeless shoes do more damage than spiked.  The reasoning was that instead
of poking little holes in the turf, aerating it, like spiked shoes do, the 
spikeless beasts simply compacted whatever was underneath, damaging the turf,
especially the greens.  In my own experience, spikeless shoes, while more
comfortable to walk in, did a lot of damage to greens, especially damp ones.  
They would create big footprint craters all over the place.  And it's my 
understanding that many courses prohibit the use of spikeless shoes, rather 
than advocating them.

Aside from that, I find that spiked shoes are much more effective than 
spikeless, and I've tried them both.  I just didn't get the traction I
wanted from spikeless (or from tennis shoes.)  Besides, IMHO, if spikeless
shoes were a great revolution in the game, why don't the pros use 'em?

  

Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: mdanley@next3.corp.mot.com
Subject: Golf Wear
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:46:48 GMT
Keywords: Clothes

I'm trying to briefly survery some of you golfers from abroad.
In general, we notice that most golfers almost always wear some form
of 'offical' golf clothing(as opposed to jeans and t-shirts).		  
	My question is, where do you most
often purchase these outfits/gear/clothes?
-Department stores?
-Pro Shops at the local course?
-Equipment wholesalers(like Nevada Bobs?)
-Catalog sales?
-Get as gifts?

My partner and I where having some  golf 
discussions(winter blues) and couldn't get a good
feel for this. 

Thanks for any input!!!
 

--
Michael J. Danley	
    708-576-2014
mdanley@next3.corp.mot.com
From: David.Moore@tdkt.kksys.com (David Moore)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Grip Removal Tip
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1993 00:00:00 -0600


GRIP REMOVAL TIP

I use the syringe method of removing golf grips intact--some of  you
possibly  use  the  grip blow off techique. Whatever method you use,
the next time you have a portion of the grip that  just  refuses  to
come  away  from the shaft, just trying heating it up. I use my heat
gun for this and it works great. Just heat up the grip and the  tape
underneath will also be warmed up. This tends to loosen up any pesky
sections. I warm the ENTIRE grip up before I  start  and  this  also
helps in the removal process.


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From: ccastmm@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Marler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: golf shoes
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:04:03 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <1h3obrINN64p@network.ucsd.edu> kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:
|
|>In article <2933867890.0.p00168@psilink.com> "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com> writes:>>DATE:   Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:00:26 GMT
|>>>FROM:   Daniel M Racicot <dmr@apmaths.uwo.ca>
|>>>
|>>>I have a few questions about shoes. I'm a beginner but would like to get 
|>>>some for Xmas but don't have a clue what to look for.  
|>>>
|>>>I'm a pretty bad player (110-115) so is it even worth getting them?
|>>>What are the good brands? I really want something waterproof.
|>>
|>>Do you need golf shoes?  Absolutely, positively, without a doubt, yes 
|>>you do.  Even if they don't help your game, they could save you a broken 
|>>leg the next time you try hitting off a sidehill lie in the rain.  
|>>Simply walking the course becomes easier -- no sliding up or downhill --
|
|>Golf shoes are only useful when it is wet outside.  I really believe
|>that they become a crutch when the ground is dry and the traction is
|>good with just a pair of tennis shoes....

I played a whole year as a teanager before getting golf shoes and
believe me not having shoes was not my biggest problem(S) :-).

|>>good golf shoes are made for walking.  There is also a stigma attached 
|>>to golfers who don't wear golf shoes, just for a cultural motivation.  
|
|>This alledged STIGMA is pure BULLSHIT and is what gives golf a bad 
|>name as an elitest sport among the non-golfers.  Part of what drives...

As I always do when I go to visit relatives in North Florida, I play
one or two rounds of golf.  Recently, I rode down with another family
member and my golf shoes did not get out of car and in to theirs.  Needless
to say, I got quite a few second looks playing in shorts and red Converse
All-Stars.  The course was dry and I never was really bothered after the
second hole.  I scored only two strokes above what I average for the
particular course (that may just be due to having paleyd it a lot).

In a similar vein to the nose-in-the-air types.  I have a pair of old
white golf shoes that I need to replace and have just put off reshining
due to them being one step from the trash can.  Since I play in Georgia
most of the time they show some red clay on the white that doesn't wash
off.  So, I go play with a friend and his parents.  His mother (a none
to soft spoken type but does play well) tells him after the round that
she really doesn't like "those types" that play with dirty shoes:-). And
that is after I was 3 over for a 9 hole round - go figure.

Takes all kinds to make this game interesting.

Humm, guess I know another gift for Santa to bring.
-- 
Mike Marler                        | "Saving every nickel to spend on my
Internet: ccastmm@prism.gatech.edu |  my next set of thrills..." -somebody
Disclaimer: These views are not and should not be viewed as those of OIT.
From: waid@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (James Waid  ECE-GRAD)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Golf courses around Salt Lake Cityoes
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:51:56 GMT
Organization: College of Engg. & Tech., Ohio University, Athens, Ohio

I am a grad student at O.U. and I'm starting my job search.  One place
that is interested in me is located in Salt Lake City.  I've looked
at some magazines about the area and all I can find is a single course.
Park Meadows Golf Club was designed by Jack and is probably not the place
for a weekend hacker like myself.  I want to know if anyone out there
knows of any courses in the area that I wold like to play on if I move
there.  Please e-mail me any.  Thanks in advance....

jim


waid@redskins.ent.ohio.edu

-- 

To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before..........
waid@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: merrifie@cidmac.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael C Merrifield)
Subject: Re: They're all 2's.
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:57:17 GMT

In article <1220052@hpopd.pwd.hp.com>, jeffr@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Jeff Retallic) writes:
> Here's a conundrum that's been troubling me for some weeks now - ...
> 
> "No" he said "but they are all 2's".
> 
Perhaps, they were all two piece balls?
From: n4hy@wahoo.UUCP (Bob McGwier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: John Daly
Date: 31 Dec 92 15:14:33 GMT
Organization: IDA Center for Communications Research
In-reply-to: greg@redeye.EBay.Sun.COM's message of 31 Dec 92 01:34:01 GMT


Come on!  You have got to be kidding!   You don't think Beaman gave him any
choice in the matter do you?  The guy went on a drunken rampage, destroyed
the interior of his million dollar house at Castle Pines, and rearranged his
wife's body for her before she called the cops.  I am disgusted beyond repair
with this guy.  I would never let him walk on a golf course again.  He has
a few million dollars in the bank.  Let him take that and live on it and
not subject those who are his former fans to the disappointment of ever
having to see the SOB again.

Bob


Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: mann@bl.cad.slb.com (Cliff Mann)
Subject: Myrtle Beach golf course survey
Reply-To: mann@blaca1.sinet.slb.com
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM; Billerica, Mass. (USA)
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 13:58:25 GMT

Myrtle Beach vacationers,

	I'm planning my 5th trip to Myrtle Beach for this spring
	and have been watching the "net" for peoples comments on
	the courses they have played there. I thought it may be
	interesting to have a "net" ranking of the courses for
	Myrtle Beach. Send mail directly to me (not to the newsgroup)
	on courses you have already played and I will tally all of the 
	votes and post it to the "net" near the end of January. If there is
	enough interest, I will keep a running tally thru the year as
	people play there in the comming months and post the results at 
	the end of each month. This is an informal survey and is based
	loosly on Golf Digest's criteria for ranking courses.

	Rank the courses you have played from 1 - 10. 1 being bad, 5 being 
	average, and 10 being great for the 4 criteria below. Include 
	the name of the course and in parenthesis beside the name the number 
	of times you've played it. Also include your handicap. You may also 
	make SMALL comments on the courses you've played.

	Criteria:	

	Conditions: What kind of overall shape were the tees, fairways 
		    and greens.

	Playability: Was the course too easy, too hard, not fair, just
		     right...

	Memorability: How well do you remember the course, the holes,
	              the overall surroundings...

	Esthetics: Did the course have good scenery, interesting layout,
		   varried terrain...

	Send your responses to mann@billerica.applicon.slb.com.

The following is my rankings of the courses I have played:

Handicap: ~18

Course:		Conditions  Playability  Memorability  Esthetics  Average
-------		----------  -----------	 ------------  ---------  -------
The Heritage (2)    9		 9	      10	   9	    9.25
Marsh Harbour (4)   9            8            10           9	    9.00
Oyster Bay (2)	    9	         9             8           9        8.75
Heather Glen (1)    8	         8             8           8        8.00
Brick Landing (1)   7	         5             8           8        7.00
Pine Lakes (1)	    8		 7             6           6        6.75
SeaTrails Maples(1) 7		 7             7           6	    6.75
Long Bay (1)	    8	         4	       7	   7	    6.50
Arcadian Shores (1) 7		 7	       5           6        6.25
Gator Hole (2)	    5            6             5           5        5.25
Azelea Sands (1)    5	         5             5           5        5.00
Surf Club (1)	    5            5             4           4        4.50
Raccoon Run (1)     3	         5             4           3        3.75

Courses we will be playing this trip are: Pawleys Plantation, Buck Creek,
The Witch, The Legends - Heathland & Parkland.


Cliff Mann
mann@billerica.applicon.slb.com

Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Golf Etiquette Part 1/5
Organization: Semper Excelsior
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:27:31 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>DATE:   29 Dec 92 14:53:25 GMT
>FROM:   Mark Bisgeier <mdb@netcom.com>
>
>I'd be interested in your analysis of etiquette vis-a-vis the Rules of Golf...
>is there an instance where etiquette is inconsistent with the Rules (e.g.,
>the common practice of a player off the green putting or chipping first
>even though someone on the green may be further away from the hole and the
>away player has not really given his consent to let the off-green player
>play)?
>-- 
>
>Mark Bisgeier              mdb@netcom.com
>       ...Let your mind wander... 

Order of play, R. 29-2, 29-3 provide for loss of hole and a 2 shot penalty
respectively.  Playing off the following tee disqualifies.  In settings
less formal than tournament play, the rule is very rarely invoked (I 
would guess seldom stands, as well 8^) ).  The etiquette comes into play 
in a friendly foursome, despite the fact that no penalty 
would ensue, where one should always ask first.  The fact that one can play 
and the other player is not ready actually places the first breach on 
the other player who should have stated that other players should play 
while he prepares to play.  (What a terrible sentence!)  

The rules allow for change of order by consent, even in honor off the tee.
Breaking the rules of order without consent is bad etiquette.  In general,
where rules apply, breaking the rules in a setting where they are not 
enforced is poor etiquette.

Whether one plays out of order without permission depends on whether the 
other player will be inconvenienced, and especially  on whether 
one can mark the ball afterward without slowing down everybody.

Good etiquette also implies the observance of unenforced rules, but I 
can think of nowhere that the rules and golf etiquette collide.
  ,...,.,,
 /666;    ',    jim tims
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;;|\..((   -C---->> When in doubt about the order, don't dally, ask.
;;| >-  `.__),;;
From: "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: golf shoes, spike marks, rules question
Organization: Semper Excelsior
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:06:07 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>  Neil W. Lareau <lareau@esmlsun.gatech.edu>
>
>The discussion of spiked versus non-spiked shoes reminded me of something I 
>thought I heard.  Somebody shed some light on this please.
>
>I understand there has been a USGA ruling (it may not be recent) regarding 
>a player fixing spike marks.
>
>1) I know that before you putt, you are allowed to repair ball-marks but not 
>spike marks.

True.  The rule has taken a few flops, but that's where it stands now.

>
>2) After I putt, if I see spike marks on the green, I usually tamp them down 
>with my putter.  There is usually some sloth that scuffs up the greens in 
>front of me.
>
>3) Rule question:  I understand now that in tournament play, it is illegal 
>for me to fix the spike marks on a green, even after we have completed the 
>hole.  I understood it had some origin in college team golf, with players '
>fixing greens for the players behind them.

You may tamp them down.  You may not tamp down marks in another player's
line before he putts, for obvious reasons.  Chip Beck is the champion tamper
downer of old spike marks.  A veritable avitar of altruism.

The players would have also been fixing the greens for the other teams.
Sounds like a myth.

>
>4) I heard it, but I haven't read it. It doesn't make sense to me. Nobody is 
>being given an advantage: I put it in the same category as raking traps.
>

Raking traps is pretty much demanded, with strong etiquette sanctions.
Tamping down spike marks is a noble undertaking.  8^)

>Neil W. Lareau

  ,...,.,,
 /666;    ',    jim tims
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  , `    ' , >
;;|\..((   -C---->> And I think it's a stupid goddamned rule, BTW
;;| >-  `.__),;;

Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: mdb@netcom.com (Mark Bisgeier)
Subject: Re: golf shoes
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 03:59:36 GMT

kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:


>...that in many cases golf shoes allow you to transfer your weight back 
>past the inside of your left foot (if you golf right-handed) at the 
>top of your backswing - resulting in too much sway...

On the backswing,
keeping your weight on the left foot (even the inside) sounds to
me like a prescription for a reverse pivot - you won't get any
sway if the weight is braced against the inside of the RIGHT foot...
-- 

Mark Bisgeier              mdb@netcom.com