HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: clef@aber.ac.uk (Jim Finnis)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Is something going on here??
Summary: MI5 in line noise shock!
Keywords: noise,bizarre,synchronicity
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:50:02 GMT
Organization: Clef Digital Systems

Are subscribers to this newsgroup being watched??

I was innocently reading alt.conspiracy, and had got about 2 lines into
a message when line noise on my transmission (over a BT phone line using
tip) caused the following things to happen:

	1)	rot13 the rest of the message
	2)	kill that thread
	3)	unsubscribe from the newsgroup.

Was that really line noise?? I think not! Maybe that message was the key
to the whole show... maybe someone didn't want it read...

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From: arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: Re: U.S. & Iraq
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:31:14 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL
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 : Remember: The 'No-Fly' zones are NOT according to any UN 
 resolution.
 
 : We must not loose perspective here.
 
 Unfortunately, Clinton doesn't get it either.  It is simply 
 an excuse to continue a beligerant policy toward Iraq.  We 
 must always have an Evil Empire to keep the mush brain 
 masses from dealing with the real problems.
 
 I find Iraq's "evidence" of targetting the Al Rashid Hotel 
 most interesting.  What I find appalling is the lake of 
 interest the media has shown to disprove it.
 
 What about those strobe lights?  Hardly sounds like a piece 
 of junk falling out of the sky after being hit by Iraq's AA.
 
 js
From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (no one of consequence)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Part 11,  Within America's Soul, Hitler is Victorious
Date: 26 Jan 1993 23:59:52 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Distribution: world
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In article <1k45kbINNfcl@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
]
]  Whenever I see the word "people" capitalized, I get nervous.  "People" does
]not always = "people".  I daresay it almost never does.

Check alt.news-media or misc.activism.progressive. You'll find even more
use of the "PEOPLE".

  
 
]
]semper fi,
]
]Jammer Jim Miller 
]Texas A&M University '89 and '91
]********************************************************************************
]* Speak for my employers?  They don't even know I exist!		       *
]*"Become one with the Student Billing System. *BE* the Student Billing System."*
]* "Power finds its way to those who take a stand.  Stand up, Ordinary Man."    *
]*      ---Rik Emmet, Gil Moore, Mike Levine: Triumph 		               *
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|"If the Earth is our Cradle, then why are we still here?"             |
|Everything your side says is Truth. All else is Propaganda....        |
|I only speak for myself. If I *did* speak for UT, would anyone listen?|
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Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:14480 soc.culture.jewish:25887 alt.revisionism:972
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,soc.culture.jewish,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Federal Reserve Bank and Jews
Keywords: Clarification
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:29:27 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <1993Jan22.104145.2696@StarConn.com> rburns@StarConn.com (Randall J. Burns) writes:
>In article <1993Jan13.213303.9252@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>> >}1) It's false.  The Federal Reserve is owned and fully controlled
>>> >}   by the United States government.
>This is a blatant falsehood and misrepresentation.

An exaggeration perhaps, but not a misrepresentation.

The US Treasury receives 90% of any profits of the Federal Reserve, and
has strict requirements as to how the other 10% is reinvested in the FRB.

The Boards of Directors of the bank are controlled by the government,
rather than by the shareholders.

Someone can indeed buy shares in a Federal Reserve Bank (I was mistaken
in saying they couldn't), but such a person with "ownership" has close
to no say in how the Bank is actually run.

The government has as much leverage against the FRB as they choose to
exercise.

>1) Many  "professionals" have called private ownership an atavism
>  and have called for full scale nationalization of the Federal
>  reserve.
>2) The formal structure of the federal reserve has consistently shitfed
>   from starting essentially as a "bankers cooperative" to being
>   something with more formal goverment control.
>3) Even today, member banks have _very_ important rights within the 
>   control of the federal reserve. (i.e. 2/3 of the directors of the
>   regional banks are elected by the member banks-only 1/3 are elected
>   by the board of governors which is appointed by the president).

Note that member banks are merely those which comply with FRB regulations.

>4) There is a very imporant _informal_ structure to the federal reserve-
>  and any central bank. You rarely see dramatic changes in central
>  banking administration(and when you do it almost always fails). Even 
>  formal  nationalization of a central bank means little if all the same 
>  people are still running the show.
>
>For some non-racist arguments against central banking (and descriptions
>of how central banking can be misused see either)
>1) The Occult Technology of Power(Loompanics Press).
>2) Ludwig von Mises Institute publications(They are at Auburn
>University).
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: CFR
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:46:49 GMT

In article <1jtmqrINNs97@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
>
>No Ted, not my paranoia. Your ignorance. I certainly didn't intend
>to suggest that their membership is secret. Remember I am the one
>who has urged YOU to go to the library and look it up, so you would
>have a little more idea what you are talking about. I was merely 
>suggesting that if they didn't carry big signs saying CFR, I would
>not have expected you to be aware of them or acknowledge their presence.
>Sometimes the best way to keep a secret is to leave it lying around 
>in the open, knowing that most people will ignore it and refuse to
>recognize its significance. You are living proof that this method works.

Ahhhhh, they're so secret that they're wide open.  Very sneaky of them.

Of course, by that definition, the most popular golf clubs in the Washington
DC area are also sinister conspiracies trying to take over the world.  You
need to learn about falsifiable contentions, Steve -- what evidence would
it take to convince you that the CFR was *not* a worldwide conspiracy to
impose one-world government?  Any evidence that CFR isn't a conspiracy is
taken by you to be *further* evidence of their ability to hide their true
purpose.  That's a textbook definition of paranoia. 
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,misc.education,alt.news-media,misc.consumer
From: monaghan@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (N.O. Monaghan)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,soc.culture.jewish,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Schmidling the Populist
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:24:21 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

harry@hershele.alf.dec.com (Harry Katz) writes:
>In article <1j09npINN25m@slab.mtholyoke.edu>,
>jyanowit@mtholyoke.edu (Jason Yanowitz) writes:

>	The notion that Bo Gritz isn't a racist, anti-semitic, sexist
>	pig is grounded in a skewed sense of reality.  He's the head
>	of the Populist Party, a proto-fascist/extreme right-wing
>	organization...

As far as I have been informed by postings on this group, Bo Gritz is
certainly not a fascist - quite the opposite - is he advocating
governmental control and direction of the economy in America. The answer
is very simply: NO.

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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: jbair@phoenix.princeton.edu (Joe Bair)
Subject: Innaguration question
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton Univ.
Distribution: all
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 17:42:52 GMT

After the speech, poem, and honorably distinguished gentleman.  Pres. Clinton was
leaving the podium, he reached out to shake hands with someone not in the
TV picture, he held out his hand and made repeated gestures to shake hands
but the person refused, who was this person, or was this my immagination?
From: cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Bo Gritz/CFR/Trilaterals
Date: 25 Jan 1993 06:02:58 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs)
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Tell me, Ted Frank, Chip Berlett, and other apologists for the CFR and
Trilateral Commission:

Is it possible for me to believe and promote the idea that the
CFR/Trilateral Commission are sinister organizations devoted to
establishing a global dictatorship superceding the Consititution and
U.S. sovereignty without being branded an anti-Semite?  Or does the one
automatically imply the other?


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--------- All my opinions are tentative pending further data. ---------
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz/CFR/Trilaterals
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:25:50 GMT

In article <1jvvqjINNd53@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) writes:
>Tell me, Ted Frank, Chip Berlett, and other apologists for the CFR and
>Trilateral Commission:
>
>Is it possible for me to believe and promote the idea that the
>CFR/Trilateral Commission are sinister organizations devoted to
>establishing a global dictatorship superceding the Consititution and
>U.S. sovereignty without being branded an anti-Semite?  

Yes.  But I would certainly have my warning signals up, given the
disproportionate number of anti-Semites involved in propagating 
these kinds of unsubstantiated conspiracy theories.  Someone who
believes Gritz about the CFR might also believe him about Jews being
the spawn of the devil.   

>Or does the one automatically imply the other?

No.  I call Bo Gritz an anti-Semite because he does anti-Semitic things
and associates with real honest-to-God Nazis.  
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: Scott_Leaf@mindlink.bc.ca (Scott Leaf)
Subject: Re: Camilla-gate
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:15:50 GMT

IT is interesting that Camilla-gate envoked the probable use of Cellular
phone links that have to remind me of a well known local event but
internationally insignificant.

There was a Cabinet Minister of the Provincial Government of British
Columbia, Canada named Bud Smith who was taped having a private conversation
with firstly a female reporter which implied a tryst while he was married to
another woman and secondly to an associate in which he made disparaging
remarks about a recently let go employee assailing his competence.  Both
conversations were private ones made on a cellular phone.

They were taped by a jelous ex-lover and news cameraman of the female
reporter, then leaked to the Ministers opposition critic one Moe Sihota who
in turn released them at a press conference for all to hear.

After the usual turn of events and the Minister's eventual resignation one
strange turn of events took place.  The dismissed employee sued Smith for
liable even though the conversation was a private one not intended for public
dessemination.  This scandal eventually, compounding with some others,
brought down the government that Mr. Smith belonged to and now Mr. Sihota
finds himself a Minister of the Crown.

The suit to the best of my knowledge has not been heard but settled out of
court for undisclosed terms (someone correct me if I am wrong).  The question
here is is there any such thing as privacy anywhere when communicating with
any sort of electronic transmission device?  It is scarey to think that
politicians or those in the middle of a divorce for example must guard their
words when speaking to their lawyers on the phone or risk losing their
child's custody.

The irony is that Mr Sihota, who I thought showed an incredible lack of
judgement and understanding of fair play, basically got away with murder and
was rewarded handsomely because the average citizen does not understand the
importance of privacy and the dangerous precedent that has been set.

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village...something about the       |
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From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Subject: Reporters rallying round the flag
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 19:25:33 GMT

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From: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel)
Subject: Today's Quote...
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 09:35:16 GMT

On our Free Press (during the Panama Invasion)...


     |                Reporters Rallying Round The Flag                 |
     |                                                                  |
     |    Journalists justified their role as distributors of           |
     |  government handouts in different ways.  Asked on Day 1 why US   |
     |  opponents of the invasion were virtually invisible on-the-air,  |
     |  a "CBS" producer (who declined to give her name) told           |
     |  "Extra!":  "When American troops are involved and taking        |
     |  losses, this is not the time to be running critical             |
     |  commentary.  The American public will be rallying around the    |
     |  flag."                                                          |

...at work.

>From _The Media Goes to War: How Television Sold the Panama Invasion_
a report by FAIR (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting). Use the GET
command with PANAMA INVASION for a copy of this report.

Use GET also with CHOMSKY VICTORS1 for more background (which comes
with the original footnotes).

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From: rburns@StarConn.com (Randall J. Burns)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Jewish Bankers
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:36:04 GMT
Organization: Starnet-Public Access UNIX--Los Altos, CA  415-949-3133

In article <EGGERTJ.93Jan25230518@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu> eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.134823.790@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>>   In article <1993Jan25.083137.28783@StarConn.com> rburns@StarConn.com (Randall J. Burns) writes:
>>   >1) Do you feel it is sheer and utter coincidence that several of the
>>   >   most prominent financial criminals in recent decades have been Jewish
>>   >   (i.e. Ivan Boesky, Michael Milken, Meyer Lansky)? 

>>   I note that you leave out Charles Keating, the Silverado scandal, every
>>   single S&L in Texas, etc.  Non-Jews do perfectly fine in producing
>>   financial criminals.

It probably would be fair to say that WASP's(especially those  of 
the New England old-money variety ) 
have also produced more than their share of financial
criminals. I would expect that at times their have even been financial 
mafia's operating that were exclusively WASP and some may even still
exist, but I tend to think that most have been absorbed by
"multi-cultural" mafia's.

It would also probably be fair to say that blacks, Poles, and Hispanics
other than Cubans produced fair less than their share of financial
criminals.

If you want to look at privileged elites in this country right now,
from a standpoint of examining ethicity you
really need to look at two groups: WASP's and Jew. Certainly, Cubans,
East Indians, and certain other Asian groups have gained a lot of
ground, but these are still the  two largest groups that have political,
financial, academic and economic power in America today.

I tend to think that it is an important question to ask to what extant
each of these groups have acted in their own interest to the detriment
of others-and whether each group has pathologies that are peculiar to their
particular ethnicity.  I also tend to think that this is a taboo o
subject in the academic institutions of today-which is one of the
reasons why the subject gets relegated to folks like Gritz. IMHO, most
of the comments of Mr. Frank have served to reinforce this taboo rather
than to create a more productive discourse.   

>He also forgot the Texan Hunt brothers (who tried to corner the world
>silver market), who are really good ole boys.  
The fact that they got caught -and lost a lot of money in the process- 
is evidence of their incompetence. The real question is who are the
folks who don't get caught? Or what other mischeif did the Hunt brothers
pull without getting caught?

> And BCCI, which hardly
> qualifies as a Jewish institution!
Yes, but it would qualify as an institution that was highly influenced
by ethnic ties.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: What the Trilateralists truly intend
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 10:18:41 GMT

In article <1jr0doINNciq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) writes:
>> Foreign Affairs prints opinion pieces of widely diverging 
>>viewpoints.
>
>While you speak correctly when you say that Foreign Affairs prints 
>opinion pieces of widely diverging viewpoints.  It is also correct to
>say that they carefully avoid printing certain other viewpoints, and
>some of these widely varied viewpoints get a lot more column space than
>others.  Editing is a fine art.  And it is NEVER objective.
>
>Since objectivity is ALWAYS absent in any publication, it behooves the
>reader to ask himself, "What axe is being ground here?"  The axe ground
>over time by FOREIGN AFFAIRS is the axe of globalism.  They want to see
>a New World Order, a global government.

1) Even assuming this were true, so what?

2) What evidence do you have that this is true in the first place?

3) What evidence do you have that FOREIGN AFFAIRS is more sinister than,
   say, the Yale Law Journal?  After all, I've *seen* courts cite to the
   Yale Law Journal...
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.save.the.earth
From: eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2)
Subject: Re: PREVAILING WINDS RESEARCH: The Secret Treaty of Fort Hunt
Keywords: PREVAILING WINDS RESEARCH: The Secret Treaty of Fort Hunt
Organization: FOA, Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:44:22 GMT

jad@hopper.ACS.Virginia.EDU (John DiNardo) writes:

>      From Prevailing Winds Research, Reprint #003 :
>*   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *

>           "THE SECRET TREATY OF FORT HUNT"
>                   by Carl Oglesby


>Read this article in conjunction with "How Allen Dulles and the
>SS Preserved Each Other," and you'll have a pretty good idea of
>how we got into the mess we're in today. This article from 
>"Covert Action [Information Bulletin]" tells the story of ODESSA
>and it's relationship to Reinhard Gehlen's spy organization 
>which formed the basis of our modern Central Intelligence Agency
>and National Security Council.  "The unconditional surrender 
>that the Germans made to the Allied Command at the little red
>schoolhouse in Reims was the surrender only of the German Armed
>Services. It was NOT the surrender of the hard SS core of the
>Nazi Party. The SS did not surrender, unconditionally or 
>otherwise, and thus, Naziism itself did not surrender. The SS
>chose, rather, to seek other means of continuing the war while

I've had it with this kind of bull. All armed units of SS did at this
point in time belong to Waffen SS (Himmler wanted the biggest SS possible.).
All Waffen SS units were under Wehrmacht control and their surrender were part
of the Wehrmacht's surrender. 9th May, OKW war diary: "Field Marshall 
Kesslering informed SS Oberstgruppenfuhrer (Col. General) Dietrich that the 
terms of the ceasefire are also binding on the formations of the Waffen SS."
-- excerpt from "Urkunde u"ber die milita"rische Kapitulation" KTB/OKW p. 1488

cheers
--
     Erik Svensson
    Research Officer            National Defense Research Establishment (FOA)
 Guided Weapons Division        Stockholm, Sweden      eriks@fenix.lin.foa.se

"The problem with the future is that it keeps turning into the present"
 -- Hobbes
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