From: davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Clinton Policies
Date: 6 Oct 92 10:12:35 GMT
Distribution: usa,tx
Organization: Montagar Software Concepts, Plano TX

In article <21670@rpp386.lonestar.org>, jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
> In article <1992Oct5.034021.152@europa.lonestar.org> tom@europa.lonestar.org (Tom Kimball) writes:
>
> constitutional requirement for a balanced budget.  Third, much of what Los
> Federales do is demand that states provide services without providing the
> funding - we'd be better of because we could start ignoring those demands.

	Good, let's ignore them...

>>I think there is a lack of appreciation for the consequences of defaulting on 
>>the debt among you and some other people on Usenet.
> 
> No, I'd say we have a very CLEAR understanding of what would happen.  As
> Jefferson said, a little revolution now and then is a good thing.  With
> respect to the "Death of Capitalism", I'd suggest at different message
> would be sent - don't mess with countries that have gigantic governments.

	That's true, revolution can be a good thing, but we have to have
an EFFEECTIVE revolution, not a riot like in L.A.  If we hurt ourselves too
much in the process, it only strengthens what we are revolting against.  It
sounds like to me you are rushing into a riot, not a revolution.

>>(1) Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhistan, Byelorussia, France, Britain, and possibly 
>>    China had the capability of destroying all our cities 30 minutes after 
>>    making the decision to do so.
> 
> No, but Russia, France, Germany, Britain, etc. had the ability to take us
> over by conventional military force.  And I suggest you check out the size
> of the Revolutionary War debt.

	I don't think so, since the general population would probably start
some guerrilla warfare on their own (a la "Red Dawn").  Patriotism is still
alive.

> There is a difference between "Welfare" and "Head Start" and gasoline tax
> funded highways.  A highway is not a "program".

	Actually, it original purpose was to assist in interstate commerce and
provide for a transportation system network for the military.  In some respects
it is a program, though it rules need to be revised.  Other countries have
better quality roads than we do, since they force contractors to guarantee
the road. The Federal *forbids* states from making contractors do this.  Do you
think a lobby is involved here?

>>Yes the government sometimes wastes money.  And the government spends money
>>on some things I wish it wouldn't.  But I don't mind my tax dollars being 
>>spent on something if it is either (1) in the best interest of society as a
>>whole, or (2) its the right thing to do.
> 
> Your attitude is the core of the problem.  If you accept that the government
> only "sometimes wastes money" and you "don't mind my tax dollars being spent"
> you will continue to get a government which wastes as much of you money as
> it has to in order to pad the pockets of those who support it.

	No, he is not wrong.  Your quote is highly selective to sway people
to your views.  I know Tom enough, and actually read the whole sentence(!) to
see what he was saying.  And I agree with it.  You only wnat your taxes spent
on things that you support and directly benefit you.  If that's true, fine,
but let's have you pay back the government first of all the things in your
life that you benefitted by that you do not support.  I think you would be
suprised at this list.  Hell, even the computer you are working on contains
technology derived from the space program, grants to universities (public
schools!!!), and military spending.  It was shipped to you on highways that the
government funded.  Also, go ahead and die from some disease because you didn't
want funding to go to medical research.

	You're right, there are pork barrel items, but lets attack those,
not condemn the whole system, which you tend to do (i.e. public schools).
The revolution I propose starts by following something written by Robert
Heinlein:

	"Never vote for the incumbent" - Lazarus Long

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