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From: atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Randall Atkinson)
Subject: Re: New HP Workstations
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, DC
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:26:39 GMT

In article <BxMo8o.HMC@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> kwthomas@nsslsun.nssl.uoknor.edu (Kevin W. Thomas) writes:

>I disagree.  New major product announcements and pricing info should be made
>available to people in groups such as this.  These announcements are big news,
>and there are a lot of us that really need the information.

  The posting of marketing announcements in regular USENET groups
really truly is objectionable (and possibly illegal) and belongs over
in comp.newprod ONLY.  A very large number of sites can lose all net
access over "commercial use" restrictions and so it is important to
isolate commercial product announcements in comp.newprod (which
newsgroup is then not carried by the sites under commercial use
restrictions).

  The RIGHT procedure is for the vendor to post the full product
announcement over in comp.newprod and then to post a note in
comp.sys.hp that says something like "We have a bunch of new products
and have posted the details to comp.newprod go there and read them if
you're interested."

>People are talking about the new Sun products, including pricing in the Sun
>groups.  I've yet to see one complaint about this, and I really appreciate the
>information.

Must not have seen the 3 gripes (one of them from me) over there yet.
From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Where is regcmp on HP 9000/750?
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:31:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: fc.BxIp05.89t
Reply-To: marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company
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richard g. adair (xm9@sdcc12.ucsd.edu) wrote:

: The number of UNIX linking options for some of the X programs are
: getting a bit silly.  A computer should be able to do these things
: for you.  How about changing the linker to search an index, instead
: of the direct library files.  Something like:
: 
: 	{
: 	   Loop on unresolved functions
: 		Linker needs sin finction
: 		{
: 		Search /usr/lib/library.index
: 		Hmmm, sin is in -lm
: 		Insert -lm automatically into path
: 		Search for dependencies and auto insert required libraries
: 		Warn user "#include <math.h>" not in source
: 		}
: 	}
: 
: 	Sort libraries by order dependencies
: 	Echo inserted -l options to user

Domain does something very similar to this, and OSF (remember them :-)
considered such a strategy as well.  The idea actually goes back to Multics.

If there were some standard for doing this, people would likely implement it,
as it is a reasonably good idea.  As it is, though, everyone would have their
own variations on this algorithm - especially the maintenance and format of
your "library.index" file).  If everyone were to implement it the way they say
fit, it would only exacerbate the problem of linking Motif applications rather
than fix it.

From a technical perspective, this mechanism would need an escape clause - a
way to explicitly set the search order when you wanted to.

--
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--
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marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
--
a disgusted resident of the first state in history of the union
to enact a constitutional amendment that explicitly legalizes discrimination
against a particular minority
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All opinions expressed herein are my personal ones
and do not necessarily reflect those of HP or anyone else.
From: klaus@helsinkiesf.de (Klaus Wicovsky)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: strange behaviour of tar
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:41:02 GMT
Reply-To: klaus@helsinkiesf.de (Klaus Wicovsky)
Organization: ESF Headquarters, Berlin, FRG

I am running the following command:

    tar xvf TARFILE > out 2> err

and of course I would expect to get any errors, e.g. 

    tar: cannot open TARFILE

in err, while if everything works right, I would expect something like

    x filename, 444 bytes, 1 tape blocks


But this is not how it works on my HP 9000/825 !!! If everything works all right, i.e. tar xvf TARFILE extracts the file, my command will print the
x filename, ...
into err rather than out !!!!

Please HELP!!!
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From: king@smr.slb.com (Bradley King)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: HP-700 ports of contrib, etc.
Keywords: HP compatible
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:55:05 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger Industries - SMR

I have looked without success for several programs with HP9000/700
compatibility included does anyone know where to find:

 -> tcsh
 -> the X11R4/contribs such as
         xloadimage, xcdplayer, xrainbow ,...
 -> by the way, I know folks are talking about it but, why do
     things like imake, xdm , etc appear in the HP documentation
     but not on the distribution CD? I would love to be able to 
     run xdm rather than vuelogin and save the megs it gobbles up
     without having to do the porting myself! Is there a more complete
     standard distribution of X11R4 or 5 floating around out there on
     a special CD.  Can we hope for a HPUG like the SUG that puts out
     a CD with compiled versions of all of X11R4 with the contribs, TeX
     and other goodies?
Simple answers first, I'd love to know where to find any or all of these
files.

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Xref: sparky comp.sys.hp:12619 comp.unix.admin:6076
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: Summary: My first root filesystem corruption.  : -(
Keywords: pathetic unix integrity unsuitable mission-critical
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:00:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: ferranti.id.61QU.N82
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC

In article <Bx42wH.Aw8@spock.dis.cccd.edu> markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Mark Bixby) writes:
> Many people pointed out that the write cache gives you speed at the expense
> of integrity.  I knew this.  It was taught during the HP training I went to
> before delivery of the system.  And I also know that technology exists _today_
> to give write caches some integrity without undue sacrifice in speed.

In fact, the Log File System from Sprite (which should be in 4.4BSD if Berkeley
hasn't decided to drop it) should do this. It's late, but better late than
never...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Randall Atkinson)
Subject: Re: HPUX & SVID
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, DC
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:39:14 GMT

In article <FRANL.92Nov11213655@draco.centerline.com> franl@centerline.com (Fran Litterio) writes:
>atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Randall Atkinson) writes:
>
>>   To be quite blunt, I'd like to see HP migrate HPUX to be fully
>> System V Interface Definition (SVID), Version 3 compliant.  HPUX is
>> currently fully compliant with SVID 2.0 which dates back to the
>> mid-1980s.
>
>I'm curious.  Can you provide a specific example of SVID version 3
>functionality that you have tried to use which is not in HP-UX 8.0 (on
>the series 300/400) or HP-UX 8.07 (on the series 700)?

No problem:  STREAMS is an obvious one 
(though STREAMS actually first appeared in SVID 2.2)

  There are a fair number of others as well that I've discovered
whilst trying to port various and sundry software from other platforms
to the HP.  I'm not talking about unimportant things like RFS, but
other more substantial things.

Ran
atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil

From: robs@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com (Rob Slotemaker CRC)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 09:36:23 GMT
Subject: Re: on -i broken?
Organization: HP-Sales Office-The Netherlands
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

This is a known problem. Contact your local Response Center to get patch
PHNE_1010.


Best regards,

Rob Slotemaker, Dutch Response Center

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: dkarr@sierra.com (David Karr)
Subject: Re: How to redirect my new mail to a file
Organization: Sierra Geophysics,  Kirkland WA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:51:27 GMT

axs@cs.bham.ac.uk (Aaron Sloman) writes:
: I wonder if anyone else has this problem: running HP-UX 8.0 on
: a collection of HP machines linked to a network of Suns, we have
: incoming mail going to /usr/mail/<name>
: 
: My favourite editor (VED, in Poplog) provides a facility for reading
: mail on Unix machines which starts by simply moving the mail file
: to a private directory.
: 
: But on the HP machines I am not allowed to truncate the file in
: the system mail directory, so the file just gets longer and longer.
: 
: If I try using .forward to direct incoming mail to a file in a protected
: directory of my own (of course), I keep getting "cannot create" error
: messages.
: 
: Is there any way of either using "mv" to move the mail file, or
: causing mail to come straight to a private file?

Whenever I see someone running into a situation where they have to "filter"
their mail, I recommend a package called "procmail" that you can get from
your favorite source archive.  Your need is for a very primitive level of
filtering (filter everything), but the tool can get this done just as well.
It allows you to specify a set of pairs (regular expression, action) such
that if a new mail message is matched by the regular expression, then the
action will be taken.  This tool would be very useful if you get regular
mail from either a mailing list or some sort of automated mail generation
system, such that you want to store those messages in other than the normal
mail repositories.
--
David M. Karr
Sierra Geophysics, Inc.
ARPA: dkarr@sierra.com, UUNET: uunet!sgihbtn!dkarr
Phone: (206) 822-5200 (x343)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: system@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (System Admin (Mike Peterson))
Subject: Re: Programming problems
Keywords: X11, F77
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:48:57 GMT

In article <Hendrik.Klompmaker.9.721576035@beheer.zod.wau.nl> Hendrik.Klompmaker@beheer.zod.wau.nl (<Hendrik Klompmaker>) writes:
>We have a little problem while running a 120Mb fortran on our 730 with 128Mb 
>of ram. The program crashes in a coredump with 'segmentation violation'. If 
>we decrease the size of the program a little (20 Mb) it will run. Any idea 
>why this problem occurs and what to do about it except decreasing the size 
>of the program.

You probably need to increase 'maxdsize' to increase the user data space
(do it with SAM). It could be maxssiz if you allocate a lot of
arrays on the stack, but not likely to be maxtsiz (code size).

>The next problem has to do with X11. I downloaded some files like xdaliclock 
>and tried to compile them. The X11.h files are on the usr/include/X11R4/X11 
>directory but while compiling they cannot be found. I'm new to C programming 
>so don't know how to solve this problem.

Try setting $CCOPTS and $LDOPTS to:

"-Aa -D_HPUX_SOURCE -I /usr/include/X11R4 -I /usr/include/Motif1.1 | "
"-L /usr/lib/X11R4 -L /usr/lib/Motif1.1 -L /usr/local/lib"

respectively (drop -Aa and -D_HPUX_SOURCE if you don't want ANSI C
by default). Soon you will run into the missing header file problem
that has been debated here for the past few weeks - I wish HP would
just supply the files and save users lots of grief !!!
-- 
What are the chances that any HP computer system will ever "work" properly?
... and Slim just left town. -*- Mike Peterson, SysAdmin, U/Toronto Chemistry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: librarian@iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu (InterWorks librarian)
Subject: HP-UX publicly available software (update #13)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:39:51 GMT
Organization: International HP Workstation users' group (InterWorks)

The following is a list of new (or updated) entries (since my last posting),
of UX-related software on the InterWorks library node (iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu--
128.255.18.10). Note that everything is available via anonymous ftp-- in 
"comp.hp"). The README there contains a complete list of the available 
software.

All the following is supposed to be suitable for the 700 series, and I
have started to verify that. Executables are included in some packages.
If you take a package and find that you must build an executable (or do
some porting) for your machine and/or OS level, I would appreciate
hearing about your work and receiving a copy of the executable you built.

Note that I have had very little involvement in the writing or packaging 
of any of the items on the list-- they are the result of the work of many 
other people. In particular, note that the available binaries have not
been compiled by me. If you are concerned about running binaries compiled
by someone else, build them yourself with the available source. Also note 
that individual authors may include text regarding the rights of others
to use and distribute their code. 

Thanks to all the contributors.

    329877     GNUmake-3.55.tar.Z
                  The GNU version of the "make" utility.

    236715     GNUtar-1.10.tar.Z
                  The GNU version of tar, with some fixes for HP-UX.

    210935     ee.tar.Z
                  An HP (unofficial) user-friendly text editor, suitable
                  for both 68k and PA-RISC machines

     13588     ssh-1.3.tar.Z
                  Splits, strips and extracts appended shell-archives.

    774801     tcsh-6.02.tar.Z
                  A version of the Berkeley C-Shell, with the addition of
                  a command line editor, command and file name completion, etc.

     32182     traceroute_1.17.tar.Z
                  Determine the current Internet hops to a given address

    988465     xfig-2.1.tar.Z
                  A menu-driven tool that allows the user to draw and
                  manipulate objects interactively in an X window.

   1045507     xgo.tar.Z
                  An X-based version of the ancient Chinese board game

   1240970     xntp.tar.Z
                  Synchronize your node clocks with Internet standard time.

     77453     xstones.tar.Z
                  A benchmark for X servers-- a test of graphic performance
                  (not a test of overall workstation performance).

     56846     xtalk.tar.Z
                  An X11 implementation of 4.3 BSD talk.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: <cpearce@nemesis.acs.unt.edu> (Chris Pearce)
Subject: Still problems with regcomp() and regexec()
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:32:02 GMT

Sorry, I made a mistake on the transcription of my code... though
my initial example has

    if (regexec (...))
        printf ("Matched.\n");

my actual code has

    if (!regexec (...))
        printf ("Matched.\n");

I'm having to post by talking directly to NNTP, so my ability to edit lines
I've already typed, include real files, etc. is really hampered. Sorry about
the confusion...
--
Chris Pearce, cpearce@nemesis.acs.unt.edu
Xref: sparky comp.sys.hp:12874 comp.mail.sendmail:2759
From: viljanen@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lea Viljanen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: Re: What sendmail do when quota exceeds ?
Date: 13 Nov 92 12:17:22 GMT
Organization: Pussy Galore's Flying Circus

linneman@rulcvx.LeidenUniv.nl (Stefan Linnemann) writes:

>You should both check out the mailclean package, that was sent to one
>of the sources newsgroups some time ago.  It's a neat little package
>that allows you to control the use of /usr/spool/mail pretty neatly.
>Large mailboxes will be truncated, the truncated part gets moved to
>another directory, which I clean of files older than ten days.  This
>gives the owner ten days to clean up their act.

Never! What happens if a user's mailbox is just under the treshold
size and the user leaves for a vacation/conference/whatever? Right,
goodbye new mail... Ten days isn't really very much.

I think valid mail should never ever be removed by the adminstration.
Moved perhaps, but never removed.

>Stefan M. Linnemann		Internet: Stefan.Linnemann@CRI.LeidenUniv.NL

-- 
Lea 'LadyBug' Viljanen     University of Helsinki   "Every real program
Lea.Viljanen@Helsinki.FI   Computing Centre          has some input" - H&P
From: aem@symbiosis.ahp.com (a.e.mossberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: serial port hanging
Date: 9 Nov 1992 22:11:26 -0500
Organization: Symbiosis Corporation, Miami, Florida  (305) 597-4000
Distribution: na
Reply-To: aem@symbiosis.ahp.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: symbi1.symbiosis.ahp.com


Is there a way to reset a serial port, other than rebooting? One of the
serial ports on our 9000/720 hung (cu, uucico returned the error 
"line problem") and after trying a bunch of things I ended up rebooting,
which of course cleared it. There must be a real way, eh?

aem
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From: petel@hpcpbla.bri.hp.com (Pete Lugg)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 06:47:59 GMT
Subject: Re: What's a HP35480A DAT TAPE?
Organization: HP Computer Peripherals Bristol, UK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

The 35480 product is designed and built here at Computer Peripherals Bristol,
England. It is one of a range of Digital Audio Tape based data storage
products which we manufacture.
These products can be purchased as stand alone devices or as integrated
solutions.
They all use the SCSI interface.

The person you should contact for more information here in England is
Peter Doughty. He can then put you through to the relevant marketing
support person.


Peter Lugg

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: kovar@world.std.com (David C Kovar)
Subject: Need hpterm or xterm keys to emulate VT100/VT200 keys on VMS
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:01:53 GMT

  Some of the people in my office are trying to use their HP 700 XTerminals
on VMS for development work. Their primary complaint is that they cannot
get the application keypad to generate VT100 key sequences. This means
that they can not really use the VMS debugger. So we have a lot of
engineers with HPs and VT100s on their desks. They've apparently
tried modmap, no no avail. But we're new to this game so we could
have done something wrong.

  Does anyone have a xmodmap, or some other tool, that will map
the HP keyboard to a VT100 keyboard when using an xterminal window?

  Any leads would be most appreciated.

-David
From: ben@bailey.UUCP (Ben Bailey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: HyperCard or simular?
Date: 5 Nov 92 00:58:10 GMT
Organization: Ben Bailey's Home..Tampa Fl.

I'm looking for something that will run on an HP9000 series computer
that will operate simular to the Mac's HyperCard product.  This
is a hypertext based application that is graphical in nature.

Please email!

Thanks
Ben
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From: minh@lis.rch.unimelb.edu.au (Minh Tran)
Subject: termcap entry for tandem ts530 needed ?
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:48:41 GMT

[ Article crossposted from comp.terminals ]
[ Author was Minh Tran ]
[ Posted on Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:46:42 GMT ]


	Has anyone got termcap entry for Tandem ts530 terminal ??

	minh
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From: atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Randall Atkinson)
Subject: Re: New HP Workstations
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, DC
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:35:17 GMT

In article <1dtq85INNb7o@trwvssi.vssi.trw.com> b_kondalski@trwvssi.vssi.trw.com (Brian J. Kondalski) writes:
>Actually I'd like to see someone compile a list of all the current workstations
>and show their performance relative to each other (maybe even with the list
>prices for a similar configuration).  I'd be willing to do it if someone would
>mail me the specs for the various platforms.

  That should not be posted to the net.  Advertisements and blatently
commercial postings such as a ranking or rating or listing of
commercial workstation products do not belong anywhere outside
comp.newprod or biz.* or alt.*.

  Such information should be emailed rather than posted to the net.
This is long standing stuff if one goes and reads old postings on
netiquette in news.newusers and other such places.

Ran
atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil
From: fish@daacdev1.stx.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: HP please add -l option to tftpd and -lll to ftpd !!
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:51:26 GMT
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center

as far as i can find there is no way using hpux 8.05 on a 730 to make
the tftpd log entries - on irix tftpd has a -l which logs all activity
to syslog

also, irix has additional -lll for ftpd to make it more verbose
i use the single -l now on hp and that logs all anonymous activity
(even at file level which is what i want) but it only logs open/close
from authenticated users (i.e. non-anonymous)

			fish
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp


> The internal and external SCSI connectors are different, but I assume 
> they're both SCSI-II.  (The manuals say something about "differential 
> SCSI", but I have no idea what this means.)

Single Ended SCSI-II is a 5 MB per second interface built-in to all 
Series 700 models.  Fast differential SCSI-II is a 10 MB per second 
interface that requires an EISA card. There are no EISA slots available 
on the 705 or the 710.

By "different connectors", I assume that you are refering to high density
(smaller) connectors versus low density (bigger) connectors that are 
compatible with either single ended or differential interfaces.

Regards,
Jeff Taylor

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