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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:38:53 -0500
From:         Nhan Tran <tran@PEORA.SDC.CCUR.COM>
Subject:      CAM: Thailand proposes solution to Cambodian conflict

01/15

 THAILAND PROPOSES NEW SOLUTION TO CAMBODIAN CONFLICT

BANGKOK, THAILAND (JAN. 15) UPI - Thailand's foreign minister met with the
head of the Khmer Rouge Friday to discuss new Thai proposals aimed at breaking
the deadlock in the U.N. peace process in Cambodia, officials said.
   Foreign Minister Prasong Soonsiri held a hastily arranged meeting with Khmer
Rouge leader Khieu Samphan Friday morning to convince the recalcitrant
guerrilla group to cooperate with U.N. peacekeeping efforts, the officials
said.
   Prasong said Thursday he has found a solution to break the deadlock he is
confident will be accepted by all sides, the Bangkok Post reported. The paper
said Prasong will travel to Beijing Sunday to discuss the plan with Cambodian
Head of State Prince Norodom Sihanouk, who is receiving medical treatment in
the Chinese capital.
   "My visit to the prince is unofficial, but I have contacted him and he will
meet me," Prasong said. "I will also see several Chinese leaders."
   He revealed no details of the proposed solution, but Foreign Ministry
sources told the Bangkok Post the plan included a proposal for the election of
a president of Cambodia's Supreme National Council, which groups leaders of the
country's four factions, prior to the U.N.- supervised elections scheduled for
April or May.
   The Phnom Penh regime, installed with the help of Vietnamese occupation
forces, the Maoist-inspired Khmer Rouge and two non-communist resistance
groups, signed a peace accord in Paris in October 1991.
   But the Khmer Rouge dropped out of the peace process in June, charging
Vietnamese troops have secretly remained in the country after Hanoi's official
withdrawal from Cambodia in 1989 and demanding more power be transferred from
the government to the SNC.
   "I believe I can solve the current complaint that the SNC has no real power
and that no one can get the Khmers to turn and face each other," Prasong said
late Thursday after returning from a visit to Laos.
   "The thing I am about to do will show that we have always been working for a
solution and this one will lead to quicker success."
   The U.N. Security Council last month imposed sanctions against the Khmer
Rouge to force it comply with the Paris peace accord.
   The Khmer Rouge was responsible for deaths of more than one million
Cambodians during a four-year reign of terror before being ousted by invading
Vietnamese troops in 1979.
   Thailand, along with China, then backed the Khmer Rouge in its guerrilla war
against the Vietnamese occupation forces.


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From: messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk)
Subject: Re: The Good Woman of Bangkok
Organization: Messina Software
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:03:50 GMT

emaruchi@meena.cc.uregina.ca writes:

>        For about 2 - 3 weeks we have been bouncing back and forth about the
>prostitutes.  Someone even gave prices and qualities and places where to get
>those prostitutes.  Please stop talking about the prostitutes in negative ways, because it does not help.  Every one knows that the prostitutes reflect bad
>images of the country, but only blaming is not the way to solve the problem.

Sigh...  I give up.  For two or three weeks I have been
repeating (along with others) that prostitutes DO NOT
necessarily reflect badly on the country, and that certainly NO
ONE is blaming Thailand for this universal phenomenon.  I have
a feeling we are not speaking the same language, or perhaps
some people have their minds made up and don't even bother to
read the posts.

You're right, let's stop this thread.  Any discussion requires
that people actually listen besides speaking.  It doesn't seem to
be the case here.

t.

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:41:24 -0500 
From: Schitt Laowattana <sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Repost the seventh Plan


Excerpts from mail: 21-Jan-93 Re: [Part:5] The Seventh Na.. by Ronald
Maier@techops.cra 
>         I lost part2 of The Seventh National Plan, could you e-mail it 
> to me, thanks.
 
Hi,  
 
    Since there are many people requesting, I will repost the previous
posts again in the net.  If you've seen them before, please ignore them
at this time.  I apologize for repeating the same posts.
 
 
 
Schitt  Laowattana
Center of Operation for FIeld roBOtics Development(FIBO)
Bangkok, Thailand
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From: valdis@skat.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs)
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Subject: Re: Phuket
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:37:17 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1993Jan24.090408.1591@netcom.com> messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) writes:
>Glen_Houghton@mindlink.bc.ca (Glen Houghton) writes:
>
>> I have just returned from a trip to Phuket and enjoyed my stay
>> there very much I was wondering if there is another spot like
>> this but less touristy. I would like to walk somewhere without
>> being offered everything from sunglasses to rare gems to
>> females-males. A nice beach area with some day trips available
>> would be nice. Thanks for any info. 
>
>It sounds like you stayed in Patong Beach.  Am I right?
>Actually, there are places on the island with much fewer tourists
>and much cleaner beaches, such as Kata.  And yes, it still is
>fairly touristy, but at least not in a pushy way...
>
>t.
>

Try Koh Samui. It's a small island a few miles off the mainland. It's about
a 8-12 hr train or bus ride south of Bangkok, then a hour boat ride. Once
you get there there are various small resorts that you can get there by taxi
or in the back of a coverted pickup. There all good, clean, and CHEAP! No
hi-rise hotels, just mostly small bungalows. When I was there the price per
night for one at the Lamai Beach Resort ranged from 8-12 dollars a night
(wether you wanted AC or just a ceiling fan in your room). THIS IS A PARTY
PLACE! Im going back with my Thai wife this spring and will spend alot more
of our time there. In my opinion, this is the best kept secret in Thailand!

Valdis Kalejs
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From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: Thailand plans tax incentives to attract investors
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 08:44:02 GMT
Keywords: Thai economy

Read details in....


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From:       dyip@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (dawei yip)
Subject:    Thailand plans tax incentives to attract investors
Date:       Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:58:53 GMT
From: emaruchi@meena.cc.uregina.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: RE: Phuket
Date: 25 Jan 93 10:12:30 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada

Dear Glen:
        Thank you for your visiting Thailand and came back with a good impression.  However in the future, if you want to visit more quiet beautifull beaches, I would suggest our marine national parks.  No body will bother you with those
things.  No luxuary hotels, but only simple bungalos are available.  We have
many parks, most of them are islands. For example, in the south near Puket, we
have Tarutao, Talebun, Similan, Surin.  In the gulf of Thailand, we have
Sam roy yod (three hundred peaks), Angthong.  In the east coast (not very far
from Bangkok) we have Chang, Mae pim.  These marine parks are controlled by
the Royal Forest Department of Thailand.  The costs of staying there are not
expensive.  For more convenience, you must first contact the National Park
Division (I don't have their number right now), you may get a free ride to
the island where the national park is.

                                Bunlur Emaruchi
                                Royal Forest Department
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From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: What're up in other newsgroups...(as of 1/26/93)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:04:47 GMT
Keywords: Thailand

From:       clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.news.gov.international,clari.news.military
Subject:    Thai army chief refuses to rule out another coup 
Date:       Mon, 25 Jan 93 0:09:56 PST

From:       clarinews@clarinet.com (PRANEE SRITHONGNOY)
Newsgroups: clari.news.gov.international,clari.news.trends,clari.news.politics
Subject:    Thailand names first woman governor
Date:       Tue, 26 Jan 93 5:39:45 EST
From: popba@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S Sorasuchart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Phuket
Date: 27 Jan 1993 17:19:01 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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In article <1k4eetINNct4@skat.usc.edu>, valdis@skat.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan24.090408.1591@netcom.com> messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) writes:
|> >Glen_Houghton@mindlink.bc.ca (Glen Houghton) writes:
|> >
|> >> I have just returned from a trip to Phuket and enjoyed my stay
|> >> there very much I was wondering if there is another spot like
|> >> this but less touristy. I would like to walk somewhere without
|> >> being offered everything from sunglasses to rare gems to
|> >> females-males. A nice beach area with some day trips available
|> >> would be nice. Thanks for any info. 
|> >
|> >It sounds like you stayed in Patong Beach.  Am I right?
|> >Actually, there are places on the island with much fewer tourists
|> >and much cleaner beaches, such as Kata.  And yes, it still is
|> >fairly touristy, but at least not in a pushy way...
|> >
|> >t.
|> >
|> 
|> Try Koh Samui. It's a small island a few miles off the mainland. It's about
|> a 8-12 hr train or bus ride south of Bangkok, then a hour boat ride. Once
|> you get there there are various small resorts that you can get there by taxi
|> or in the back of a coverted pickup. There all good, clean, and CHEAP! No
|> hi-rise hotels, just mostly small bungalows. When I was there the price per
|> night for one at the Lamai Beach Resort ranged from 8-12 dollars a night
|> (wether you wanted AC or just a ceiling fan in your room). THIS IS A PARTY
|> PLACE! Im going back with my Thai wife this spring and will spend alot more
|> of our time there. In my opinion, this is the best kept secret in Thailand!
|> 
|> Valdis Kalejs
|> 
I agree you should try Koh Samui. Phuket is becoming a awful place to visit.
I never suggest anyone to visit. Of course, it used to be the most beautiful
place in Thailand. But becuase of capitalism which lead to destroy the nature of
Phuket. However, if the local business men have knowledge or at less think about
the future of themselves. They should not think only making money as much as
possible. Phuket will not be facing the problems.  There are some other quiet
place around Phuket which you may avoid many tourists. 

Koh Samui is a smaller in Surathani. Even though it seem to be a quiet island,
but you will find some entertainment during the night. So, I hope you come back
to Thailand again soon or some days later. Try to visit Koh Samui.

Sawanit Sorasuchart
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From: messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk)
Subject: Re: The Good Woman of Bangkok
Organization: Messina Software
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:08:54 GMT


<U21729@uicvm.uic.edu>:

> What's the point? I didn't get the point from 'The Good
> Woman of Bangkok'  posting. Maybe someone could pin point what
> the poster was trying to say.

Which poster?  There were at least 10.

> what are you trying to say Mr. Godfrey and Mr. Cooney? It seems like
> you two are on the same team. Are you trying to degrade Thailand? Are
> you happy doing it?
> [...]
> what Mr. Cooney trying to say about Thai women is that they are easy.

That's funny, I read all the posts and didn't see either of the above
intentions anywhere.  Could you please substatiate the above with some
quotes?

> You may think your wife is 'The Good Woman in America or Brit', but
> others may think she's as loose as a goose.

I must say, this is the most unwarranted and stupid comment I read in
a long time.  How old are you, Mr. Demos?  How come you have an access
to a computer?  Aren't your parents worried when you play with it?

t.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:01:13 CST
From: <U21729@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: RE: A GOOD WOMAN IN THAILAND(PRICES)

>> Laurence, you're dreaming of the 80's. A square meter of land around
>> Dusit hotel (in Chiang Mai) costs at least $40,000(US).
>
CORRECTION. IT'S $4,000 (US) AND NOT $40,000.




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From: mrynders@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Maurice Rynders)
Subject: Re: The Good Woman of Bangkok
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:47:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.000350.2290@netcom.com> messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) writes:
>
>Sigh...  I give up.  For two or three weeks I have been
>repeating (along with others) that prostitutes DO NOT
>necessarily reflect badly on the country, and that certainly NO
>ONE is blaming Thailand for this universal phenomenon.  I have
>a feeling we are not speaking the same language, or perhaps
>some people have their minds made up and don't even bother to
>read the posts.
>
No one should be blaming Thailand for this. Prostitution is found
and will be found, everywhere, undeniably. Just because Thai ladies are
beautiful in the eyes of many men, the situation in Thailand has
received a disproprotionate amount of attention worldwide. It is why
Thailand has received a "bum-rap", undeservingly. But that's the media
for ya. You'll never see the good things from Thailand. That would be
too boring and news-ratings would  go down.(Can't let THAT happen!) 
Maybe, just maybe we should look for the cause of the negative image
imposed in the Thai people, among the werstern media, who refuse to
bring anything that is not controversial. 
I bet you, many men would not dare to go to Thailand out of fear for
what "the others" in their surroundings would say.... (Political
correctness sucks.) They don't know about what a vast source of beauty
and culture they're missing out on. 
My conviction is that we need to educate the public about the other
aspects of Thailand. It would definitely change things for the
better....

Greetings from someone who is dying to visit Thailand (for the right
reasons)......
MCR 1/26/93
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From: chankhun@sal-sun50.usc.edu (Anawat Chankhunthod)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: The Good Woman of Bangkok
Date: 21 Jan 1993 14:51:58 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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>Don't be absurd - the going rate in Pattaya is B500 per night,
>or $20.  Of course the odd farang gets charged two or three times
>this, but $400!  Come on!  Besides the rate in the Thai lady houses
>in Chiang Mai is around 50 - 80 B

I'd like to give some information about those things. I come from Chiang Mai
University. I heard a lot about Mr. Godfrey and his opinion to Thailand and
also Chaing Mai University.

Lady houses rate as low as he mentioned, I'm not sure if there is still
avialable in 1993... However, I heard about such low rate since I was an
undergraduate student at CMU. It was very old story. Anyway, such low rate
was for labor man, for instance, tricycle rider in CNX.

 
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From: messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk)
Subject: Re: The Good woman in Thailand
Organization: Messina Software
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 08:58:43 GMT

cooneys@gw.wmich.edu writes:

>messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) writes:
>	[STUFF DELETED]

>But then to others of us those very same articles are of 
>considerable interest. That's the great thing about the 
>group, isn't it?

Undoubtedly they are, and, yes, it is.

>(as in answer to Tony's perhaps too general request for
>information on Thai culture)

Perhaps it was too general.  Perhaps my curiosity is too big
and gets in the way of being precise.  Let me try to be a little
less general.  When I visited Thailand, I didn't really learn
too much about Thai customs when I was in Bangkok, it is too
much of a metropolis, too much stuff seems prepared just for
the benefit of the tourists, and too much is just a product
for sale.  When I visited small places in the southern part
and met some people with whom I was entering no transactions,
I was able to get to know the people at least to a degree where
they cared enough to let me know when my behaviour was unusual
or unexpected to them.  When I attempted to learn some Thai,
they started to volunteer information before I found myself in
a situation where it would be necessary to apply it.  

In other words - anything that pertains to everyday life - who
sits at the table in which order and why, who invites whom when
and why, is it polite to [...insert whatever you wish...]. 
This is what I was hoping for.  It is very difficult to find
that kind of information from books.  Those which I found here
do not go into such detail, and the one I bought in Thailand
seemed to be grossly outdated, according to the young people I
met over there.

Best Regards,

Tony
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:36:58 -0500 
From: Schitt Laowattana <sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: [Part:1]  The Seventh National Plan(1992-1996)

                          Government of Thailand
 
        The Seventh National Economic and Social Development Plan
                               (1992-1996)
 
              National Econimic and Social Development Board
                        Office of The Prime Minister
                            Bangkok, Thailand
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                            Chapter 4
              Development of Science and Technology
 
1. Results of past development in science and technology
 
    There have been the three following sucessful outcomes of past
efforts in the development of S&T.
 
    1.1 Creation of an environment supportive of scientific and
technological development.
 
        Sucess in this regard may be measured by a greater sense of
awareness and heightened consciousness about the importance of S&T. 
This is particularly the case among high level public officials and
national administrators who have given priority, and supported
increasing application of S&T in national economic and social develoment.
 
    1.2 Promotion of R&D in the public and private sectors as follows.
 
        1.2.1 Within the public sector, several organizations have been
set up to formulate policies and to support research and development in
S&T.  These national organizations have been set up to support S&TD in
three major fields, including biotechnology, metal working and material
technology, and electronics and computer technology.
 
        1.2.2 Within the private sector, incentives have been offered by
the government to encourage R&D, including the provision of soft loans,
grants, tax privileges for certain types of machinery and equipment,
privileges regarding corporates taxes, dividens, and other R&D
activities of companies gtanted promotional privileges, etc.
 
    1.3 Preparation of S&T personel
 
        Development of high level manpower in S&T has increased to
enable these personel to serve as university professors and researchers.
 Extensive scholarship programs at the bachelor, master and doctoral
degree levels, both in Thailand and in foreign countries have been
offered in the three major areas memtioned above, together with other
engineering and science degree programs.
 
Posted and circulated by
 
Schitt  Laowattana
Center of Operation for FIeld roBOtics Development(FIBO)
Bangkok 10140, THAILAND
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From: kamol@ipied.tu.ac.th (Kamol Hengkietisak)
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Subject: Bangkok Post Jan 26: Burmese students, monks face red tape
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:01:34 GMT
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A LARGE number of Burmese Buddhist monks and students who have 
been accepted for resettlement in third countries are still 
stranded in Thailand because the Interior Ministry has refused to 
issue them security clearances.
 
Officials working with displaced persons said yesterday that the 
stranded Burmese include several cases already cleared by the US 
State Department and who have sponsors ready to accept them.
 
Officials from the US State Department met their Thai counterparts 
at the Interior Ministry to solve the problem, but to date there 
has been no progress, the officials said.
 
A total of 250 Burmese were accepted for resettlement in the US 
last year.
 
But by the end of the year, only 55 were actually resettled and 79 
more cases cleared.
 
The officials said that other third countries which had shown 
readiness to accept Burmese refugees for resettlement are also 
facing the same problem from the ministry.
 
The ministry has stopped issuing security clearances to Burmese 
refugees since November, which coincided with the expiry of a 
deadline for 520 Burmese students to be interned in a camp in Pak 
Tho District of Ratchaburi Province or face arrest.
 
Some of the refugees who have been accepted for resettlement in 
third countries but are still stranded have voiced scepticism 
towards a recent remark by Interior Minister Chavalit Yongchaiyudh 
that arrested students can choose to be2remanded in the camp or at 
the immigration detention centre until they are sent to third 
countries.
 
"When Thailand does not want us, it should let us leave the 
country," one refugee said, apparently, reflecting the mood of his 
colleagues.
 
Several international NGOs which have been assisting Burmese 
students are considering submitting an appeal to His Majesty the 
King for his intervention to help the stranded refugees leave the 
country.
 
Several Burmese students who refuse to be interned are now 
suffering because their financial and medical assistance from the 
United Nations has been suspended at the request of the Thai 
Government, said a Burmese refugee source.
From: guvenc@faraday.clas.virginia.edu (Aylin Guvenc)
Subject: test
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:44:54 GMT

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