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From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: CAMPAIGN TO FREE VANUNU
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:26:14 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <92345.1507262893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Andy) writes:

>In article <4569@bimacs.BITNET>, ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon
>Ehrlich) says:
>>In article <92344.1800322893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
>>2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Andy) writes:
>>

>>>>                      THE CAMPAIGN TO FREE VANUNU
>>>>                  and For a Nuclear Free Middle East.
>>>>                        NEWSLETTER: autumn 1992
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm not a traitor.  I'm a man with a conscience who did what he
>>>>> did out of a deep belief after much thought and many doubts.  But
>>>>> I knew that I had to do it, that I had no choice.  There's no one
>>>>> else that could have done it.  And somebody had to do it.
>>>>                                    -Mordechai Vanunu (20/XI/87)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>MORDECHAI NEEDS US
>>( Gideon):
>>The British known as Lord Ho Ho said the same justifying  his
>>activity for the Nazis.  He was hanged.
>>Sadely enough Vanunu is alive.
>...
>>
>>So, if you really hates jews,
>>    If you really hate the Jewish country,
>>    If you really support Arabian aspirations to destroy Israel:
>>
>>    Let Polard die in prison !!          FIGHT FOR VANUNU !!
>
> ( Andy):
>At least Vanunu worked out of principle, Pollard worked for cash
>payments from the Mossad.  ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Here comes the truth , Andy does supports anihilating Israel , from a
principle point of view!

Shalom  We shell over come   gideon Ehrlich    ERETS YISRAEL


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From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Autopsy - Kahane and Rosenbaum
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 00:02:24 GMT

In article <dfs.723406923@vash> dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:
>In <1992Dec3.002242.21680@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake
>Livni) writes:

>[DFS]
>>>Hold on a second - YOU said that Kahane was no worse than the Arab
>>>MKs.  I disagree with that.  I will agree that Kahane was no worse than,
>>>say, Assad, Saddam Hussein, or Yasser Arafat.  
>
>>You forgot to add Adolph Hitler.
>
>No, I didn't.  Hitler is in a different league entirely; you just
>stir up emotional responses by bringing in his name.

You compare Kahane to Assad, Saddam and Arafat and then you accuse ME
of stirring??!!

>>Sure, Kahane was no worse than these devils-on-earth, but was he nearly
>>as bad, even?
>
>Since he never achieved much political power, we can only speculate.  However,
>his political policies were indeed as bad as those of Assad, Hussein or
>Arafat.

Did Kahane ever propose the holding of Arab communities as hostages
for political means as Assad has done with his Jewish community?

Did Kahane ever promise the Mother of All Battles to destroy the
enemy and to scorch the Arab land they live on?

Did Kahane ever state that he would "pump 10 bullets into the chest"
of anyone who disobeyed him?

While I certainly wasn't any follower of Meir Kahane, I find your 
demonization of him disgusting and unwarranted.

>>As I have posted elsewhere, this comparison is truly
>>vile, even to people who didn't like Kahane.
>
>You brought up the issue.  If you don't want such comparisons, then don't
>state that the "Muslim leaders" are much worse than Kahane.

But they ARE!  Did Kahane put a $ 1,000,000 bounty on the head of
people who wrote things that upset him, payable anywhere on the
planet, like the Sainted Ayatollah Khomeini did?

>>When did I ever say that it's OK to be a racist?  All I am saying is
>>that Israel faces extraordinary threats and will have to take
>>extraordinary measures to deal with them.  Wouldn't you call 3-4 years
>>manadatory military service extraordinary?  
>
>Not really.  

Fine, then I'm sure that you don't mind leaving your wife and job now
and getting shot at in Gaza for the next few weeks.  If Gaza isn't
your cup of tea (not that you're given options, anyways) you might
prefer being taken hostage in an Israeli town like Lod.  And I'm sure
that you wouldn't have missed out on your university years and
replaced it with several years of military service.

Do you still feel that 3-4 years mandatory military service is "not
really" extraordinary?

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
From: engelson-sean@cs.yale.edu (Sean Philip Engelson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Maccabee names
Date: 16 Dec 1992 10:46:15 -0500
Organization: Yale AI Mobile Robotics Project
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In article <199212151357.AA09126@yfn.ysu.edu>, aa324@yfn.ysu.edu (Marlene Miller) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <1992Dec10.153711.28839@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> em@cvs.rochester.edu (Ethan Montag) writes:
|> >>Everyone knows Judah Maccabee.  What are the names of his brothers?

Bruce, Bruce, Bruce, Judah, and Bruce. 

Of course, to keep things straight, they called Judah "Bruce".  Got it?  

(:-)#

	-Shlomo-
-- 
Sean Philip (Shlomo) Engelson		
Yale Department of Computer Science	
Box 2158 Yale Station			
New Haven, CT 06520
From: lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Rosenbergs
Date: 19 Dec 92 20:09:31 GMT
Organization: The Devil's Advocate

In <1992Dec18.011448.9021@midway.uchicago.edu> clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bill Coleman) writes:

>In article <92351.1519592893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>>

>Is anyone aware of a source for the claim that capital punishment may be
>applied for treason only in war time?  That's a new one on me.
>-- 

Article III of the constitution says: "Treason agaisnt the United
States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering
to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.  No person shall be
convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the
same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

This has been interpreted to limit treason to given assistance to
countries with whom the U.S. is at war.

The Rosenbergs, however, were convicted of espionage, not treason.

-- 
larry kolodney:(lkk@panix.com) 
_(*#&)#*&%)@(*^%_!*&%^!)*&#+!*&$+!?&%+!*&^_)*&#%)*&^%#+&
The past is not dead, it's not even past.   - Wm. Faulkner
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From: david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: The difference between a chasid and a misnagid
Date: 15 Dec 92 04:57:57 GMT
Organization: E.E. Dept., Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
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A cute story about Rav Moshe Feinstein, z"l, who of course was no
misnaged.

I wonder, though, how many observant people would feel complimented by
the conclusion about what gets double-checked. (We assume, of course
that both the heksher and the expiration date get checked at least
once by all.)

David Kaufmann
INTERNET:	david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu
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From: isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Isaac Balbin)
Subject: Re: The difference between a chasid and a misnagid
Organization: Collaborative Information Technology Research Institute
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:44:12 GMT

I guess this is how Gemora (Lehavdil) got going!
Joel arguing with David about what I said/meant.

In actual fact, I used the word Chassidim in respect to Rav Shach, pointedly
and with purpose, albeit just a trifle loosely.

Elements of Chassidism have found their way into Misnagdic (non-Chassidic) 
circles. The collapse of the Shtetl, and Rav of a Shtetl, the growth of
big town Judasim and the increase in information exchange rates have
found expression in the new concept of `Daas Torah'. 
This concept is intertwined with the idea of subservience of to a Rabbi.
Increased levels of subservience are more of a Chassidic notion than anything 
else. The term, Emunas Chachomim appears but once in Rabbinic literature, and
is not necessarily referring to Emuna BeChachomim, it could mean Emuna Shel 
Chachomim. Further, the dictum of Lo Tosur need not be equated to 
the level inherent in Chassidic Circles.

There is little doubt that today Rav Shach's followers are acting more like
Chassidim when it comes to subservience as a means of complying with 
the so called `Daas Torah' (or as Professor Kaplan calls it Deos Torah!).

PS. Even the Chosid should be happy when others adopt Chassidic concepts.
    Most certainly there was no intention to offend.
From: zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Why are Jews discriminated?
Date: 12 Dec 92 20:44:41 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Excuse me if I sound too ignorant, but I always have had this question
 in mind. I came from China. Before I came to USA, I had virtually no
knowledge about racial relationships. I did hear a little about anti-
semitism and Nazism and stuff but that's it, not too much. 
I can understand why this exists racial
prejudices against blacks, asians etc, because of the obvious difference
in physical appearances and traditionally blacks, asians and whites live
in different regions. However, in my eyes, Jews and other whites are of 
same race(am I wroong here?). Maybe Jews are different from other whites
in a similar way as Chinese are different from other asians. Now there is
not such a anti-Chinese sentiment among other asians. There is, of course
a anti-Japanese sentment because of the war. However, it is
not nearly as strong as that against Jews. 

Now my questions,
a) Are Jews and other whites the same race?
b) if they are the same race to start with, how did they grow apart?
c) Why, from the viewpoint of Jews, are Jews discriminated? 
d) Why, from the viewpoint of other whites, are discriminated?
I know my questions are too unspecific. But because of my lack of knowledge
in this subject, this is where I have to start with. I would appreciate
any response. Thank you!
ZZZ
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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Electricity on Shabbat (was Re: Halacha)
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:49:34 GMT

In <goldberg.724399638@techunix.technion.ac.il> goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg) writes:

>I did **NOT** write that a circuit without oxidation contacts etc... I just
>claim that the fact that it is very hard to construct a complete system
>using electricity that would not have any chance to create a spark is enough
>to tell us why electricity is not used on Shabbath. There may be more reasons,
>there may be more considerations. To make some product Kosher, all ingredients
>must be Kosher. To make it Treif, one Treif ingredient is enough.

I would think that this would be reason enough to tell us why we
should not use a complete system that would not create a spark *every*
time it was used (if it just sparked sometimes, wouldn't that be a
davar sheayno mitkaven, as opposed to a switch that sparks every time,
which would be a psik reisha) Whether the electrical systems we use
today create a spark every time or not is something that I do not
know.

However, if one did go to the trouble of making a system that did not
spark (which I don't think would be much trouble, really), then of
course we would have to look at other considerations, as you said.

Perhaps someone could bring a book on electricity and Shabbat to the
mail-jewish Chanukah party and all the engineers and other kibbutzers
could get together and come up with a shealah which even if it didn't
lead to allowing electricity could at least cause some interesting
discussions among the poskim.  And of course there's self-interest
involved, maybe it would get known as "the shealah written in Warren's
apartment".

P.S. isn't "psik reisha: Aramaic for main circuit breaker? :)
P.P.S. standard consult your ... disclaimer.
-- 
/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
 |__/__/_/    
 |warren@         "WARENS statement in his signature express a Nazi idea."
/ nysernet.org 			    Gideon Ehrlich
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From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Kahane's philosophy
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:54:36 GMT

In article <3019@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:

# dm = makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
# ya = arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens)
 
# [a quote from an interview with Binyamin Kahane in "Chadashot L.A."]
# ya: "As far as I'm concerned, kill any Arab who stands in our way, in the
# ya: most humane manner possible, causing the least suffering."
 
# dm: What is so bad about that, considering the situation with respect
# dm: to his father and his emotions?
 
# me: "What is so bad about" someone whose father who was murdered by one Arab
# me: wanting to kill any Arab who stands in his way?  I can't think of
# me: anything offhand ...
 
# dm: You are dishonestly using a straw man argument here.
 
# I hope you don't get misquoted in your autobiography.  I'm asking
# about something that you said, and you tell me it's dishonest?
 

	No, I do not have Charles Barkely syndrome (Charels Barkely is a
pro basketball player who actually did complain he was misquoted in
his autobiography).  What is dishonest is portraying this in a
situation where you know or at least hope that the context of a remark
will not be considered by those who see the remark even if you include
the context.  And you did not include the context totally anyway.

# dm: The fact of the matter is the Rabbi was killed by an Arab because
# dm: he was an Arab.  That this would create an emotional response in his
# dm: son seems perfectly normal.  Now, if he would go out and commit a
# dm: pre-meditated act of murder against an Arab you would have a case and
# dm: I would agree with you.  ut that is not what is being discussed here.
 
# I most certainly understand the anger of the victim's son.  Irrational
# views (such as the culprit did it "because he was an Arab") are quite
# likely to be found in the victims or survivors of victims of acts of
# violence.
 
# However what he is quoted in Chadashot L.A. is about contemplating
# premeditated murder.  Now clearly one who contemplates murder does not
# not become a murderer unless action replaces thought.  But to ask
# "what's so bad about contemplating murder?"?

	Again, given the context, what is so bad, other than your using
the same dishonest tactic?
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
From: boyd@acsu.buffalo.edu (Daniel F Boyd)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Question on "Jewish mother = jewish children"
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:17:45 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Dec9.081909.15655@cis.ohio-state.edu>
khaikin@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (dmitry khaikin) writes:
> Even if you had somebody 20 generations ago who was Jewish and that
> Jewishness kept going by the women's side of your family, you are
> considered a Jew.

My mother's mother's mother was Jewish.  So am I considered Jewish
too?



-- 
Daniel F. Boyd -- boyd@cs.buffalo.edu         -a +X -x -e -m -S -F"> "
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From: jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879)
Subject: Re: HALVAH Recipies Please
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:35:14 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

From article <9212111710.AA16136@host0.COLBY.EDU>,
by jjsulliv@COLBY.EDU (Nice Young Lady(tm)):
> 
> How about recipes for MAKING Halvah?

Ground sesame seed and honey is all it takes to qualify as halvah for
the purpose of making the stuff.  It's not unlike peanut butter, except
that it's made from a smaller oilseed to start with, and it has honey
(or perhaps other sweeteners) as an essential ingredient (honey is
optional in peanut butter).  I've never made it, but I assume that
pressure and or heat are needed to form the result into the bricks
we know so well.

> I was under the impression that it was a type of sesame cookie...

Cookie is the wrong word.  It comes in the form of a brick or cake,
and you slice bits of it off.  Given that both oils and honey tend to
liquify when you heat them, I imagine that the stuff would at least
soften with heat, and it might appear to melt or flow.

Another treat in category of ground up seeds is hazlenut butter.  This
is an exact analog of peanut butter, but made with hazlenuts.  As with
Halvah, honey is considered an essential additive, and it's delicious.
Halvah is not creamy at all, peanut butter tries to be creamy, and
hazlenut butter has a very creamy texture.

					Doug Jones
					jones@cs.uiowa.edu
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From: gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: Shabbat question
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:07:58 GMT

hem@col400.col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz) writes:

> I believe that most responses would state that since the pilot light is
> separated from the main flame it cannot be considered just turning down
> the flame.  I believe that if there is no food on the stove, the flame
> is considered muktza since it has no use.

But who would be fool enough to try to pick it up?

-Don Gertler
From: madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: To all Jews: STOP the negative Jewish
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:16:14 GMT
Organization: Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things

CPLS13@email.mot.com (Steven_Cohn) writes: >
yaffe@icd.teradyne.com (Art Yaffe) wrote: >>
emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout) writes: >> >
madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes: >> >>
>> >
>> >>   Jews like to argue
>> >
>> >They do not!
>> 
>> Do SO!
>
>DO NOT!

This isn't an argument!  It's just contradiction!

IS NOT!

It is so!  An argument is a carefully reasoned
series of propositions leading to a conclusion!

IS NOT!

It most certainly is!  It isn't the simple gainsaying
of any statment with "No, it isn't!"

YES IT IS!


-- 
Maddi Hausmann                madhaus@netcom.com
Humorist, Satirist, Tech Writer.  Take your pick.

Centigram Communications Corp, San Jose California  408/428-3553
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From: terra@athena.mit.edu (Terra Incognita)
Subject: Re: Entertaining suggestions for responses to "Merry Christmas"
Organization: MIT - DMSE and Bait
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:01:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.193515.11066@reed.edu> todd@reed.edu (Todd Ellner) writes:
>How about "Happy Solstice". It's  non-religious merely making note of
>an astronomical event.

Actually, a lot of neo-pagans regard the solstices and equinoxes, as
well as the mid-points between them, as "religious" events, and celebrate
them as holidays (holy days).  So if you say "happy solstice" to someone,
you run the risk of being mistaken for either a brother/sister (sibling?)
pagan, or as a new age weirdo.

I'm with the "happy holidays" crowd, meself.  Especially this year, when
Chanukah, Christmas, and the Winter Solstice occur within the same week.

At least here I can feel pretty safe wishing everyone a Happy Chanukah. :-)

>-- 
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Todd Ellner  todd@reed.edu 
>"What has the study of biology taught you about the Creator Dr. Haldane?"
>JBS Haldane:"I'm not sure, but He seems to be inordinately fond of beetles."


--
Terra Incognita                             terra@athena.mit.edu
Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, MA    USA
"Work. Worry. Consume. Die. It's a wonderful life." (Lippy)

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From: hem@col400.col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz)
Subject: Re: Shabbat question
Originator: news@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
Reply-To: H_Markowitz@att.com
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:57:44 GMT

In article <lis6msINNs78@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM (Janice Gelb) writes:
   In article 3043@israel.nysernet.org, warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) writes:
   >In <1992Dec11.164314.11148@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld) writes:
   >

   I have been told that one is permitted to turn off a burner on a gas
   stove because it is like not adding more wood to a fire. By shutting
   the burner off, one is just not feeding any more gas to the fire, which
   eventually then dies, rather than extinguishing the flame itself, such
   as with a candle.

Not exactly.  First, even those that hold this way have to be careful
that the pilot light is still lit.  They would then argue that the flame
is part of the pilot light and is being turned down very low.  If all
the fuel is removed then it is extinguishing.  Turning down the fuel is
allowed (as said above to prevent burning the food) but not so
completely that the flame goes out.

I believe that most responses would state that since the pilot light is
separated from the main flame it cannot be considered just turning down
the flame.  I believe that if there is no food on the stove, the flame
is considered muktza since it has no use.

--
____________________________________________________
| Hillel Markowitz    |     Im ain ani li mi li    |
| H_Markowitz@att.com | Veahavta Leraiecha Kamocha |
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From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)
Subject: Re: Jesus:  Would he support the Turks or Armenians?
Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:49:57 GMT

In article <9212150438.AA16358@aplpy.jhuapl.edu> levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu 
(Robert A. Levene) asks:

[RAL] Vijay:
[RAL] 
[RAL] Have you ever looked into any parallels between the
[RAL] story of Jesus and the current dispute between the
[RAL] Turks and Armenians?
[RAL] 
[RAL] Do you think Jesus would have believed the Muslim Turks 
[RAL] who claim that there was no Armenian genocide?
[RAL]
[RAL] Why or why not?  What does the Bible say on this matter?

The real question should be, if there was a Jesus, where was he during the
genocide of the Armenians? 


-- 
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org "It has been ever thus in all things, son, 
SDPA Center for Regional Studies    Whatever we thrash we give to the wind, 
P.O. Box 382761                     We too have been blown by the world's wind
Cambridge, MA 02238                 The chaff is gone but the grain remains." 
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From: yaffe@icd.teradyne.com (Art Yaffe)
Subject: Re: To all Jews: STOP the negative Jewish
Reply-To: yaffe@icd.teradyne.com
Organization: Teradyne, Boston MA, USA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:54:30 GMT

In article 724430329@ro, emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout) writes:
>In <1992Dec15.024433.4412@netcom.com> madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes:
>
>>   Jews like to argue
>
>They do not!
>--
>Eli Chiprout                 
>Dept. of Electronics, 
>Carleton University, Canada
>emc@doe.carleton.ca                                     


Do SO!
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