HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: System 7.1 & ATM?
Keywords: System 7.1, Adobe, Updates
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:37:43 GMT

hatch@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Steven Hatch) writes:

>What's the deal with System 7.1 and ATM? Where's the UPdate?
>I've been using the beta version of 7.1 for about a month and I've had
>to suffer without ATM! Does anyone have ANY details on this? It doesn't
>seem to be much of a problem to fix...
> 
>Also, has anyone noticed under 7.1, applications seem to take quite a
>LONG time to launch when you have many fonts installed into your
>Fonts folder?

Type 1 support will be part of the QuickDraw GX extension to be released
next year.

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Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Monday, 28 Sep 1992 03:10:39 PST
From: Nobukazu Toge <TOGE@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: System without Finder?

OK, I'd follow it up myself.  Thanks to "D.J." hagbert@ccit.arizona.edu and
John McGinnis mcginnis-john@cs.yale.edu.  For the following info.

    A trick to make a bootable floppy without Finder is to rename the
    application that I want to launch on boot as "Finder".

This I did a moment ago, and it works just fine.
D.J. and John also mentioned that another possibility is to edit the
disk boot block and re-specify the program to launch on boot there.

- Nobu Toge (ex-SLAC, now-KEK)
From: hermens@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Leonard Hermens -- EECS)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: 7.1 not free?
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:34:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Sep30.213431.26607
Organization: Washington State University

In article <D2150056.eu8k99@erics.infoserv.com> erics@infoserv.com writes:
>
>ifbb657@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Douglas Floyd) writes:
>
>>   Let's play devil's advocate.  At least Microsoft did not make a TSR to
>> fix Windows 3.0.  They made an installer, and integrated the fix into it.

      A TSR is not Tuner and Tuner is not TSR.

      Unix platform software vendors routinely apply software upgrade/patches
      in a similar fashion to Tuner.

>> Apple made this doofy thing called system 7 tuner.  At least integrate it
>> into the system file, people.

    The user integrates it when he or she installs Tuner in the system folder.

>> If there was a reason that this could not have been done, post it.  I

    Reduces the number of disks to upgrade/patch.

>> do not care about being flamed, but want to know why Apple did this tuner
>> thing rather than making 7.0.2 availible.
>
>The answers to this one seem obvious to me. With a tuner file that you
>just drop into your extensions folder, you're up and running with the
>new software immediately, without the headache of installing a new version
>of the system. Additionally, from Apple's point of view they can test
>and distribute a tuner module much more easily and quickly than they
>can a whole new system release (plus do things like change all their
>documentation). The tuner file is much smaller than a new system release,
>which makes it easier to obtain from bulletin boards. All in all, users
>are able to get bug fixes and new features up and running on their machines
>much more easily and quickly. I say thanks to Apple for doing it this way!
>
>-----
>Eric Smith
>erics@infoserv.com
>CI$: 70262,3610
>
>
From: itchy.caltech.edu!speth (Jan Speth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: background print driver needed
Date: 4 Oct 1992 22:05:00 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: itchy.caltech.edu
Keywords: background Stylewriter
Originator: speth@itchy

Is there a background printer driver for the Stylewriter?

Jan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: GAYNOR@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Jim Gaynor)
Subject: Re: ARA, do I need two copies to connect two Macs?
Organization: The Ohio State University - OCES
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 23:24:03 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <Bv7Cvs.6vD@news.udel.edu> bach@brahms.udel.edu writes:
>
> To connect two Macs using Appletalk Remote Access software, do I need two 
> different copies of the software?  Or, can I install the same copy on both 
> machines?

The Appletalk Remote Access license allows you to install and use ARA
on two computers.  A rather wonderful little action on Apple's part.

You hear that, guys?  Someone just complimented Apple on Usenet! 
Call the press!  :-)


---
   Jim Gaynor    | "Man-of-Many-Beeping-Sounds-and-Flashing-Lights" - KAJ
OSU/ACS/FMS/OCES | <gaynor@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu> or <gaynor.4@osu.edu>
Disclaimer:  Everything stated here and above is -my- opinion.  Mine mine mine!
"We're here as the official representatives of the Y chromosome" - M Silverberg
From: cive1em@jane.uh.edu (Chuang, Lu-chia)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Looking for a Chinese system or Fonts
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:45:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hello, I am looking for a Chinese system (or fonts).
Any information is welcome. Thanks in advance.

-Luke
From: iscjcw@uccvma.ucop.edu (Jerry Wilcox)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Suitcase 2.1.1 and 32 bit addressing
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Date: 6 Oct 1992 16:51:06 GMT
Organization: University of California, Office of the President
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ajax.ucop.edu

In article <Bjorn.Ness-061092153603@bogart.uio.no>, Bjorn.Ness@usit.uio.no
(Bjorn Ness) wrote:
> 
> Suitcase II v 2.1.1 causes applications to crash on my Mac IIfx 
> when 32 bit addressing is turned on. Everything works fine 
> without Suitcase II.
> 
> System software: System 7.0 with System Tuneup 1.1.1
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> 
> Bjorn Ness
> (Bjorn.Ness@usit.uio.no)

My suggestions would be that you first make sure that you are running
System 7.0.1 rather than 7.0, and secondly that you look elsewhere
(possibly another extension conflict), as I'm running 7.0.1, Tunup 1.1.1,
and Suitcase 2.1.1 on a bunch of machines, with 32-bit addressing turned
on.

-----------
Jerry Wilcox - iscjcw@uccvma.ucop.edu
All opinions expressed are MINE -- I'd have a different job if the
University wanted me to speak for it.
From: k.a.cooper@lut.ac.uk (Keith Cooper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Who are my guests?
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:39:11 GMT
Organization: HUSAT Research Institute, UK

Is there a way of telling who the guests are on one of my servers?
A log would be useful, but failing that any info would satisfy my curiosity 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: heyes@dadev.cebaf.gov (Graham Heyes)
Subject: Autodoubler recent buyers beware!
Organization: Continuous Electron Beam Accelerator Facility
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.system
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:15:47 GMT

Well I'm not given to getting really annoyed but I'm about to
start.
	I just called fith generation software about the
upgrade AutoDoubler->2.0. I bought AD a few months ago, 
version 1.6. Version 1.7 came out the day after I bought it.
That started to get me peeved but what the hell I got the
1.7 upgrade for free. Well 1.7 was useless. The amount of
system memory used on my 4MB Mac Plus shot up with 1.7 
compared to 1.6 with identical settings. Also for some 
reason the "effective capacity" of my hard disk is LESS
than the real capacity by a large factor on AD's status
display. I complained to Salient at the time, "stick with
1.6" they said this will all be fixed when 2.0 comes out.

	Well it's out now and I called to find out about it.
If you bought AD less than two months ago (July 15th I was 
told) the upgrade is free. If not $19 plus shipping. 
I only paid $45 for the damned thing in the first place!!@#@
I have been watching AutoDoubler and DiskDoubler upgrades
popping up at Sumex for a long time. I am really pissed off
that now I have bought one of the two products the upgrades
are no longer free. What is more the software I bought doesn't
even work properly.

	Well I'm done flaming Fith generation but I'm still
pissed off, just feel a little better.

	Graham.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: resnick@cogsci.uiuc.edu (Pete Resnick)
Subject: Re: Time distribution from Unix
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:21:46 GMT

galko@trix.genie.uottawa.ca (Peter Galko) writes:

>Does anyone happen to know of any utility that exists for the Mac that
>would allow me to periodically correct the time on my Mac from our Unix
>machines (or other network sources).

Warning: self-advertisement!

My control panel Network Time should be available on most archives. It
does just what you want.

(Yes, I am *still* working on 2.0. I just got back from vacation. Yes,
I know it is going very slowly; I haven't even opened up THINK C in
the past 3 weeks.)

pr
-- 
Pete Resnick             (...so what is a mojo, and why would one be rising?)
Graduate assistant - Philosophy Department, Gregory Hall, UIUC
System manager - Cognitive Science Group, Beckman Institute, UIUC
Internet: resnick@cogsci.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: JWEST@r3vm.dsd.trw.com (Judson West)
Subject: Re: "Why I hate System 7..."
Organization: TRW Electronic Systems Group
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:21:00 GMT

In article <cemqHOq00WB68zUPgj@andrew.cmu.edu>
Faisal Nameer Jawdat <fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
 
>JWEST@r3vm.dsd.trw.com (Judson West) writes:
>> Awh come on you guys..... You don't know what a PIG OS is....
>>
>> I run MS/DOS w/Windows ("I'm not worthy.. I'm not worthy..") and DOS
>> takes up 2MB! Windows takes up >5MB. After those two hogs and few
>> applications (Word, Excel, 3270 emulator) I don't have room to spit on
>> my 60MB harddrive...
>
>this was a joke, right?
 
What part didn't you understand? I was reading the thread about people
complaining that the MAC OS takes from 1-3MB. I wanted to throw my 2 cents
worth in by saying that on an IBM-type system, to get to a similar
environment takes from 7MB-up. Now I'm not passing judgement on either OS.
In fact, I think DOS/Windows is very piggy. I just wanted to bring some
perspective to the topic.
 
-Judson West
From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: System 7.1 question...
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:34:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc8.ibhan.717971670
Distribution: usa

driskill%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Hank Driskill, GSH3D) writes:


>I'm an occasional reader of this group, and with all the system 7.1 noise
>lately I haven't seen an answer to the question I've been wondering about:
>I bought system 7.0, mainly because I'd been running the beta and I figured
>I'd support Apple and buy the full version... well, 7.1 is three weeks (less)
>away, and I haven't gotten an upgrade notice!  I'm a registered user of 7.0,
>paid for it and sent the card in and everything... anyone know if I'm supposed
>to pay full price for 7.1?  That's completely bogus, IMHO... there's supporting
>a company you like and then there's tossing money away... and I really don't
>want to dump $100 for the little 7.1 will give me.

>Hank.

You might at least get a discount on System 7.1.  By the way, System 7.1
will only cost $39 from what I've heard.
From: nasadk@lib403.its.rpi.edu (Kristopher Martin Nasadowski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: HELP: Option Key Stuck.....
Keywords: Option Key Problem
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:02:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: rpi.mgjzj5d
Reply-To: nasadk@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

In article <1992Sep28.154711.4015@ncsu.edu>, dnwhiteh@eos.ncsu.edu (DUANE N WHITEHURST) writes:

[ deleted problem of 'stuck' option key ]

Is it possible that the 'Sticky Keys' option on the Easy Access 
control panel is causing this? I know there is something to do
to make pressing modifier keys easier thru Easy Access. I don't
have Easy Access installed, so I can't verify this.

If it is Easy Access, then I believe you will hear some click sounds
and it will put a sorta bowl shaped icon and sometimes an arrow pointing
down into the bowl in the top right corner of the screen in the menu 
bar.

Incidentally, if you don't customize installation of System 7, the
Easy Access control panel is added.

Good Luck!

Nazman
<nasadk@rpi.edu>

P.S. Hitting the shift key five times in a row should turn the icon
on and off. Easy Access also lets you use the numeric pad on an extended
keyboard as a 'mousepad' so that you do not need to use a mouse.
From: mick@isi.edu (Mick O'Donnell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Q: Changing system memory under system 6.08
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:54:37 GMT
Reply-To: mick@venera.isi.edu (Mick O'Donnell)
Organization: Information Sciences Institute, Univ. of So. California

My system has been crashing a lot lately, which I think is due to
system heap memory running out. I tried re-setting it with heapfixer,
but this changed absolutely nothing (at least, the amount of system
memory reported used under "About Finder" did not change. I also tried
changing the system heap size in the boot block, using Norton Disk
Editor, but while the number changes, the size of system memory
doesn't change on the next bootup.

  Am I doing anything wrong? Is there some way to increase the amount
of memory the system takes? (system has 56k or less system heap free
on bootup).

Details: Mac si, 9Meg, color monitor sys 6.08, various inits.

 Hoping for an answer,
Mick O'Donnel
From: L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Greg's Buttons (The Author Speaks)
Reply-To: L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk (Lloyd Wood)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 00:43:25 GMT

Greg,
You didn't include your email address, and my newsreader didn't have it in the
header info. Useful.

I can confirm that with the (spit!) helvetica ish font on, flashwrite 1.03
bombs on opening. If that's what NeXT users have to put up with, I'm staying
with a Mac.

Glad to see you finally fixed the bugs that caused Mandella to bomb (animated
colours) and caused bits of control panels to vansih mysteriously. Yippee.

Why does GB2 contain a colour disk-swap icon which is never used? And not
mentioned in the documentation? Just wondering.

Regards

Lloyd Wood
L.H.Wood@uk.ac.lut
. 
. 
. 
Oh bugger this isn't mailx
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: daniel@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (Dan Quoidbach)
Subject: Re: Eudora problem
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Ocean Drilling Program/LDGO
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:17:14 GMT

In article <BvCH97.DEF@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, houlejm@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
(Jean-Marie Houle) wrote:
> 
> In article <717410849.5719@minster.york.ac.uk>, you write:
> >I wonder if anyone can help with the following Eudora problem which
> >I encountered upon trying to link a Mac to the ethernet via a NuvoLink
> >box.
> >
> >Whenever check mail is chosen and the correct password entered, Eudora
> >contacts the POP server and logs into it and then produces the following
> >message.
> >
> >"There has been an error transferring your mail
> > I said
> >	PASS
> > and then the POP server said
> >	-ERR Password supplied for 'username' is incorrect"
> >
> >Note that the usual error message for an incorrect password is
> >"Invalid POP account or password".
> >
> >The machine is a Mac Classic II running System 7.0.1 with a NuvoLink SC
> box
> >connecting it to ethernet.
> >The mail software is  Eudora1.3b34 and is using MacTCP as its network
> >connection.
> >
> >Sending mail, file sharing, printing and telnet all work although one of
> >the loopback tests on the NuvoLink box fails intermittently which I'm
> >told by the distributor is unlikely to cause any problems.
> >
> >Since this is the first NuvoLink box in the department, I do not know
> >whether this is actually a software or hardware problem.
> >
> >			John Firth
> 
> 
> I have seen this problem a few times. It seems to happen if a problem
> occurs while transferring mail. It looks like a lock is not removed in
> the mail server.
> 
> To correct the problem, log onto the mail server with telnet and remove
> the file "/var/spool/mail/.username". You may have to ask the superuser
> to do it for you and the location of the file may vary with systems. I
> have never lost mail by doing so.
> 
> --
> Jean-Marie Houle                                  houlejm@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
> Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec              Tel (514) 652-8083
> 1800 Mtee Ste Julie                               Fax (514) 652-8435
> Varennes, Quebec
> Canada, J3X 1S1


I too have had this problem and got a similar message. The problem was
indeed a lock not being removed on the mail server, and the removal of
this lock solved the immediate problem. However, we still don't know
*why* the lock isn't removed. Our mail comes into a single account and
is then forwarded to my account and another. We both read mail using 
Eudora, but I keep getting these pesky lockups and the other user doesn't.
I don't know if the problem is with the sender, the server, the forwarding
or with the Eudora transfer. Anybody got any ideas? 


Dan Quoidbach                               daniel@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu
Ocean Drilling Program
Lamont-Doherty Geological
Observatory
Palisades, NY 10964
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Mel Walker <mwalker@novell.com>
Subject: Re: Suppose Apple does charge for System 7.1...
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6F0C96EBB011E08@mwalker.npd.provo.novell.com>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 1 Oct 92 22:27:42 GMT
Organization: Committee to Elect Dan Quayle Lord of the Cosmos
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:27:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.085325.27182@lloyd.Camex.COM> Owen Hartnett,
owen@lloyd.Camex.COM writes:
>As I said previously, I think Apple has a right to charge whatever Apple
>sees fit for upgrades, but I think this is a bad time to make this 
>transition.

I tend to agree. If they had started charging for System 7 on the outset,
that would have been a good time. Or, wait for System 8. It does kinda
seem like they're starting in the middle.

I think the market forces will decide for us all, one way or the other.
If charging is a bad idea, then all these people who feel betrayed by
Apple shouldn't buy 7.1. If charging is a good idea, then lots of people
will buy it and Apple will make lots of money. Personally, I think that
few people will buy the upgrade, but time will tell.

A note to those who believe that freely stealing it is the way to go: If
a great many copies of 7.1 are pirated, Apple will probably be convinced
it's got a winner of an OS, and so will continue to charge. If you don't
want it, just use 7.0.1. or whatever.

--Mel Walker
Disclaimer: No one else agrees with my opinions, so why should Novell?
From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: FAQs are FTPable from RASCAL.ICS.UTEXAS.EDU
Date: 26 Sep 1992 12:21:33 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu

 Re: WANTED: Comp.sys.mac.system FAQ repost
 bwc34920@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (olga) writes:
>... which FTP site has the FAQ for this group?



	FTP to RASCAL.ICS.UTEXAS.EDU, check directory  mac/faq

	the WUSTL site also maintains a mirror of RASCAL (but
	updates only monthly or so)

	you are welcome...
-- 
  werner@cs.utexas.edu |  ..!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!werner | werner@UTXVM.bitnet

              "Free Advice and Opinions -- Refunds Available"
From: heyes@dadev.cebaf.gov (Graham Heyes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: SpeedyFinder7 vs. CopyDoubler
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:19:52 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Continuous Electron Beam Accelerator Facility

I am an AutoDoubler user and suppose that one day I will get my hands
on CopyDoubler as part of the upgrade AutoDoubler 1.7->2.0

Unfortunately for various reasons I am at the moment sticking to 
system 6.0.8, as far as I can see SpeedyFinder does NOT work with any
system 6 version, (is it even needed) as implied by the 7 in its name
and mentioned in bold letters at the top of the docs. 

	So how do these two utilities compare with system 6 ? Is there
a need for a similar utility for system 6 and if so does it exist or is
someone working on it?

	Graham Heyes --- heyes@dadev.cebaf.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.protocols.appletalk
From: eakaftan@isluga.puc.cl (Eduardo Kaftanski Arancibia)
Subject: Re: "incompatible AFP version"???
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:40:26 GMT

Joe Niski (niski@ssd.intel.com) wrote:
: greetings, net:
: 
: My Powerbook is on LocalTalk, my desktop Mac on Ethernet (Etalk Phase2, a
: Gatorbox connecting the two); i can file-share from either machine to the
: other, UNLESS i put the PB to sleep.  If i put the PB to sleep, then wake
: it up, then try to file-share from my desktop Mac, i get the error "This
: Macintosh uses an incompatible version of the AFP protocol, you cannot
: connect to it" (or something close).  However, i can connect from the PB
: to my desktop machine.
: 
: Anyone seen this?  Is it a result of the Powerbook's sleep feature
: messing with AppleTalk?
: 
	I've seen this hapening with my PowerBook 140 and a desktop Mac.
It's no longer happening, and it only happened with one LCII and a Quadra
700. I reinstalled Sys 7.0.1, tuneup 1.1.1 and it never happened again.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Eduardo Kaftanski Arancibia

eakaftan@isluga.puc.cl
ekaftan@ing.puc.cl

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Distribution: world
From: Steve_Costa@bmug.org
Organization: BMUG, Inc.
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 01:32:06 PDT
Subject: Re: Lets Just Steal 7.1!

(Free system software.  I've already given them the arms and legs. Lower
prices on Macs doesn't do anything for me at this point.)

You say that now but what will you say in a couple of years. When you
have walked about away with a Power PC for $1800 that is faster than a
Quadra 700......Are still going to complain about paying $30 for System
Software. When Apple has dropped the price on machines equivalent to
more money than you ever would have spent on System Software in your
lifetime. In general, I just don't think in these times you are going to
have inexpensive hardware and free System Software. Time change.


Steve Costa
BMUG

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