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From: levan%eagle@EKU (Jerry LeVan)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Strange Boot Behavior
Date: 15 Nov 92 10:08:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: eagle.9211152008.AA07254
Organization: Listserv to Netnews Gateway at pucc.Princeton.EDU

Arggh,
My maxtor 535 went south after about 60 days...

The replacement arrived yesterday. After going through the
torturus reinstallation I noticed that the drive will not
boot! (It is an external). What I had done in the past was
to hold down the <cmd>-<opt>-<shift>-<del> key. This causes
the internal drive to be skipped. After the "question mark"
in a disk icon appears I release the keys. Two weeks ago this
would allow the external drive to boot. Now the internal drive
goes ahead and becomes the startup disk!

I have tried (several times) reinstalling the Mac Software on
the external disk, I have swapped/tried all possible permutations
of the the APS and Apple drivers all to no avail. I have set the
startup device to the external drive but this does not work either.

I have tried dragging the system folder from the internal to the
external, this did not do any good either.

The external drive does mount OK and starting the A/UX Startup
application DOES start A/UX!

How can I get my external drive to boot?

Thanks...

Jerry LeVan ( levan%eagle@eku.bitnet or matlevan@eku.bitnet )
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: grmensz@grmensz.erenj.com (Gary R. Menszyk)
Subject: Re: Cannot print from account
Followup-To: comp.unix.aux
Organization: Exxon Research and Engineering, New Jersey
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:13:55 GMT

In article <grmensz-181192104637@grmensz.ere.fp.exxon.com>,
grmensz@grmensz.erenj.com (Gary R. Menszyk) wrote:
> 
> Have a strange problem. The user account which I normally use will not
> allow me to print from any of my Mac applications.  The Chooser appears to
> work and I can select a printer. However, when I try and print from any
> other application, I get an error, often telling me that a printer is not
> selected.
> 
> I created a dummy account and copied all of the system files into my old
> system folder and this did not correct the problem.
> 
> If I log in to the system as root, printing is ok from the default system
> folder.
> 
> Any hints on how this can be fixed?
> 
> Thanks in advance...
Whoops!!!!

My error, when I copied the system files into the new account, the UNIX
ownership remained carried over (of course). Went into the 'System Folder'
and changed the ownership and all is back to normal.
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From: tody@noao.edu (Doug Tody)
Subject: Re: Yet more about 'tc' (blocking issues)
Reply-To: tody@noao.edu
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:35:16 GMT

In article <1246@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov>, jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) writes:
> jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) writes:
> 
> >tody@noao.edu (Doug Tody) writes:
> 
> >>I have no information on the SCSI manager and am only grasping for straws,
> >>but a remote possibility exists if the SCSI manager allows transfers which
> >>are a multiple of N times the device block size.  In that case, setting the
> >>block size to 1 byte would allow odd size transfers to the device.
> 
> >This may be possible... Of course, 'tc' would 1st have to issue a
> >Read Block Limits to see if the device can do down as low as 1byte and
> >then do the Mode Select... This also would mean that things be set up
> >so that the device isn't _really_ in variable mode but in a small fixed
> >blocksize mode...
> 
> Well, it looks like the above idea works! (Thanks Doug).
> 
> Buttttt... performance under this mode is a super dog. After all, the
> tape drive must handshake for each and every _byte_ transfered.

Oh dear...  I was suggesting this only in the hopes that it might serve to
fake out the SCSI manager.  It don't think it will work to actually set this
block size at the device level, because this changes the tape format and we
are back to the problem of having a tape format which can't be read on a
different system.  What I was hoping, lacking information on the 3.0 SCSI
manager, was that the SCSI manager could be told by the driver that the
device block size was 1, that the SCSI manager would hopefully permit device
transfers N times this value, and that the actual device block size would be
set unbeknownst to the SCSI manager, using the SCSI set mode command to the
device (I'm still not completely convinced this won't work, though it would
be a horrible kludge).

It sounds to me like this SCSI manager was written to do fixed block mode
i/o to SCSI disk devices.  The stock tc driver wants the tape device to look
like a disk in order to use this SCSI manager code.  It might still be
possible to work around this, but I am kind of stuck until the 3.0 device
driver kit comes out, as I have no source for any of this stuff.  Even so,
if the limitation lies further into the A/UX kernel we may be stuck.

In any case, thanks for the work on the tc driver Jim, we appreciate your
efforts.  Just being able to have 1K fixed block mode i/o helps a lot.

-- 
Doug Tody	National Optical Astronomy Observatories
tody@noao.edu   P.O. Box 26732, Tucson, Arizona, 85726
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From: duffiem@wl.com (Mark Duffield)
Subject: Re: Desktop file's getting screwed up, What to do?
Followup-To: duffiem@wl.com
Organization: Parke-Davis Biotechnology
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:15:10 GMT

In article <92322.134721AUBXG@ASUACAD.BITNET> Ben Goren <AUBXG@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>Me four....
>

Is "Me five" overkill, or will it show Apple that this problem is more wide-
spread than they think it is?

>
>I have basically two complaints about A/UX; the first is that sound
>is all screwed up (which wouldn't be so bad if I weren't a professional
>musician), and what I've considered a screwed-up desktop. I first noticed
>it when custom icons (the kind you past into the get info window)
>disappeared, even though some poking around with ResEdit showed that
>the related invisible Icon files were still healthy. Futher symptoms:
>
>     o windows often revert to the default size
>     o applications such as Fetch or CompactPro seem incabable of
>       giving files anything other than the generic icon
>     o a "crash" (i.e., I have to cmd-control-e, or telnet in and
>       kill my login process to unfreez a Mac application) almost
>       invariably screws up the desktop
>
>And, probably, more that I can't think of at the moment. As a result of
>all this, I've become quite adept at rm'ing the Desktop DB and DF files--
>that reminds me, neither cmd-opt nor shift on login do anything, claims
>in the manual to the contrary notwithstanding--and even had a shell script
>that did the trick at one point.
>
>None of this would be especially annoying if it didn't take a good ten
>minutes or so to rebuild the desktop. I've tried making backup copies
>of the Desk*DB and Desk*DF files, but that doesn't seem to do much of
>anything constructive.
>
>Anybody from Apple out there listening?
>
>b&

I don't know about the sound problems, but I have EXACTLY the same desktop
problems listed above.  I have also noticed that any newly installed mac
program, regardless of location (internal HFS drive, external A/UX drive,
remote Appleshare volume, in AppDisk), will receive the generic app icons. 
I have noticed that Microsoft products tend to loose their icons more often
than others (maybe this is a plot by Microsoft to get us to buy Windows NT :)

Another thing that I have noticed is that after the finder freezes and I abort
with the cmd-ctrl-e sequence, the CommandShell icon will be generic when I
log back in the first time.  If I logout and back in immediately, that icon
will usually change back to normal on its own.  However, I too have become
good at nuking the Desktop DF, DB, and .fs* files.

Apple, this is more an annoyance than anything else, but it sure would be nice
if the desktop was a bit less flaky.
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Mark J. Duffield          | 
 Parke Davis Biotechnology |   Beer is a beverage, not a projectile.
 (duffiem@wl.com)          | 
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From: coolidge@sirius.aux.apple.com (John L. Coolidge)
Subject: Re: PROB: Have to hit return twice in CmdShell
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:42:01 GMT
Reply-To: coolidge@apple.com
Organization: Open Systems Development, Porting&I/O Group, Apple Computer, Inc.,Summary:

howard@tybalt.ultra.com (Howard Simonson) writes:
>In article <Mike_Peters-041192190149@greer.az.stratus.com>, Mike_Peters@vos.stratus.com (Mike Peters) writes:
>|> In article <1992Nov4.203718.24567@linus.mitre.org>, rzakon@mitre.org
>|> > For some reason my CommandShell has started acting up.  Whenever I type
>|> > a command, I must hit return twice in order to get some outback back
>|> 
>|> I had this same problem on several occasions and called Apple.  Turns out
>|> that one of the INIT's or CDEV's in the System Folder was causing a
>|> conflict.

>Or, you might save yourself a lot of time pushing INITs around by sticking
>the mouse in the "Never Sleep" corner of whatever screen saver you're using
>(or just yank the screen saver INIT).  If typing is suddenly normal, you've
>probably found the culprit (screen savers seem to especially cause this).

Another common culprit is the 'Wild Magic' QuickTime extension. Also,
I'm told that old versions of CEToolbox used to do this (1.6.3 works
fine for me).

--John

        Communists, dictatorships, democracies, hypocrisies
        Ask not what your country can do? To a one world governmental zoo
                -- Extreme, "Politicalamity", _III_Sides_To_Every_Story_

+++John L. Coolidge++++++++++++++++coolidge@apple.com+++++++++++++++++++++++
I speak for myself, not for Apple Computer. Copyright 1992 John L. Coolidge.
Copying allowed only if attributed, and if all copies may be further copied.
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From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Subject: Re: Desktop file's getting screwed up, What to do?
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:54:16 GMT

Ben Goren <AUBXG@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:

>     o applications such as Fetch or CompactPro seem incabable of
>       giving files anything other than the generic icon

This happens to me about 50% of the time... I just rebuild the Desktop
(login via the Console, and type 'mac32'... as soon as the screen "clears",
hold cmd-opt... It _does_ work :)

>     o a "crash" (i.e., I have to cmd-control-e, or telnet in and
>       kill my login process to unfreez a Mac application) almost
>       invariably screws up the desktop

There is an INIT called FMbackup that fixes this... It's located
on afsg.apple.com and aux.support.apple.com under "unsupported" (I think).
What this nifty little thing does is store away backup files of particular
"Desktop" files... Sounds like this needs to be added to the FAQ if not
in there now...
-- 
    Jim Jagielski               | "It is not I who am crazy...
    jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov   |  it is I who am MAD!"
    NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4       |
    Greenbelt, MD 20771         |            - Ren
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: cnspci@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C.N. Salvaggio)
Subject: Path to UNIX commands in A/UX Startup
Originator: cnspci@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:20:44 GMT

Can anyone tell me where the UNIX commands (like ls, fsck, cat, ...) are
accessed from when you are running A/UX Startup.  I have A/UX 3.0 
installed on a Quadra 700 and a 950 and am experiencing the same
problem.  When I cancel the "canned" boot sequence, and have the 
A/UX Startup screen, any commands I issue return the message

   Couldn't execute "command"

All the built-ins seem to work fine (like cd, launch, ...) but the 
commands seem not to.  It seems like a path problem but I don't know
where the path should be set to.  Several people I have spoken with do
not seem to have this problem, but none of these people are using
Quadras.

Has anyone else experienced this problem?  Any help would be
appreciated!

Carl Salvaggio
cnspci@ultb.isc.rit.edu


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From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Subject: Re: Login screen saver
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:56:29 GMT

nzimman@icaen.uiowa.edu (Nicholas R. Zimmerman) writes:

>After easily installing A/UX 3.0 on my Quadra 900, I started playing about and
>found one thing that I would really like. 
> 
>A screen saver (blanker) for the login screen. I really don't want to have it
>sitting there burning the login screen into my monitor. Does anybody know of
>one, or is there one available in A/UX that I have missed?
> 

From the FAQ:
===
7)  What screen-savers are compatible with A/UX?

Moire (ver. 3.22) works quite well under A/UX (2&3), even under the Login
AfterDark (2.0u and later) also works but some displays may not have
enough memory under Login so the "low-memory" display will be used.

Moire and FMbackup seem a bit incompatible. They both function
fine together but the combination prevents FMbackup's "Finishing up..."
window from displaying, although FMbackup does, in fact, finish up.

Darkside is also available. Unlike other screen savers, Darkside is an
application, not an INIT. This means it won't work under the Login screen.
The latest version of Darkside is 3.1.1 and will _not_ work on Pre-System7
systems, so don't attempt to use this under A/UX 2.0.1.

Moire is available via anon-ftp on jagubox.
-- 
    Jim Jagielski               | "It is not I who am crazy...
    jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov   |  it is I who am MAD!"
    NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4       |
    Greenbelt, MD 20771         |            - Ren
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: kiddyr@gallant.apple.com (Ray Kiddy)
Subject: measuring usage by procs and Mac Apps?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:18:45 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

hello -

is there a way to determine the resource utilization of not only the processes
on the unix side of the A/UX world, but, at the same time, the usages of the
applications that are running within the startmac process? 

ancillary to this question, how does one affect the performance of specific
processes (in the unix world). I am looking for something like the ability
to set working-set parameters in VMS and am not finding it.

any help would be appreciated and, if possible, reciprocated.

- ray, ray@ganymede.apple.com
From: dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: A/UX Mac operations slower than MacOS (was A/UX 3.0 partition slower...)
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:29:49 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: redondo.sw.stratus.com

On a related topic, I have noticed that printing via the chooser seems to be
slower than under native MacOS.  I haven't really quantified how much.  One
thing I have noticed is that the spinning wheel cursor (run as a VBL task?)
seems to turn more slowly (and sometimes stops outright for seconds at a time).
Is this due to the Mac process(es) not getting CPU time?

-- 

#include <std_disclaimer.h>

Dan S.
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From: mr@delfin.com (Mark Rosenberg)
Subject: Re: Desktop file's getting screwed up, What to do?
Reply-To: mark@delfin.com
Organization: Delfin Systems, Sunnyvale CA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:37:00 GMT

In article <92322.134721AUBXG@ASUACAD.BITNET>, Ben Goren <AUBXG@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:

|> 
|> Anybody from Apple out there listening?
|> 

If they are, they are probably doing so on their own time. I just got my
A/UX ISV information packet. Still absolutely no pre-sales support for
potential A/UX users. Suppose I have a working Sun application - why would
I choose to port to A/UX before say SGI or DEC. At least these other guys
are not openly hostile to potential users. Come on Apple, you're not in
the garage any more, if you want to play with the big boys, start acting
like it! You can hire some A/UX evangelists and support people to make it
possible to buy A/UX for rational non-religious reasons! And don't tell us
about your #*&$* "authorized A/UX resellers"! They've never heard of A/UX
and if they have they can't spell it. Get real - Hamilton Avnet is an A/UX
reseller. Give me a break, these guys are basically in business to sell
chips by the thousands, not single copies of software.

Ok, I'll calm down. Some of Apple people do read this newsgroup and are
helpful. But sometimes I wonder if they're not risking their jobs by doing
so.

 -- 
Mark Rosenberg
internet:mark@delfin.com
phone: (408) 562-1126	fax: (408) 748-1140
snail: Delfin Systems, 3000 Patrick Henry Drive, Santa Clara, CA 95054-1814
From: johng@informix.com (John Galloway)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Re: Login screen saver
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:18:39 GMT
Organization: Galloway Research

In article <fred.722114318@ivhs.mot.com> fred@ivhs.mot.com (Fred Brunner) writes:
>jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) writes:
>
>>nzimman@icaen.uiowa.edu (Nicholas R. Zimmerman) writes:
>
>>>After easily installing A/UX 3.0 on my Quadra 900, I started playing about and
>>>found one thing that I would really like. 
>>> 
>>>A screen saver (blanker) for the login screen. I really don't want to have it
>>>sitting there burning the login screen into my monitor. Does anybody know of
>>>one, or is there one available in A/UX that I have missed?
>>> 
I am using AfterDark + MoreAfterDark and it seems to work fine with A/UX 3.0 
(Quadra 700). Of course to get the login screen blanked you have to put it in
the proper system folder.
	-jrg
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Organization: Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:59:44 -0500 
From: Matthew Mashyna <mm5l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Login screen saver

I put AfterDark into the root system folder, set it up and then draged
it and the module it uses into the login system folder. 

Since you can't get at the control panels from the login screen you only
need the one module. I thought I vould get away with an alias to the
After Dark Files folder but it won't take it. 

So, copying one module saves disk space.

Works like a charm.

Matt


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From: nzimman@icaen.uiowa.edu (Nicholas R. Zimmerman)
Subject: Login screen saver
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:59:11 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

After easily installing A/UX 3.0 on my Quadra 900, I started playing about and
found one thing that I would really like. 
 
A screen saver (blanker) for the login screen. I really don't want to have it
sitting there burning the login screen into my monitor. Does anybody know of
one, or is there one available in A/UX that I have missed?
 
Thanks for the help.
 
- Nick
 

-- 
************************************************************
| Nick Zimmerman           |  "I am the king of all I see. |
|                          |   My kingdom for a voice."    |
| nzimman@icaen.uiowa.edu  |               -R.E.M.         | 
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From: li@oculus.loni.ucla.edu (James Li)
Subject: Re: A/UX 3.0 partition slower than Mac Partition
Organization: Jules Stein Eye Institute
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:20:10 PST

In article <1257@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov> jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) writes:
>li@oculus.loni.ucla.edu (James Li) writes:
>
>>When working from Mac Applications, access to the Mac Partition is several
>>times faster than a folder/directory under the root (/) partition.  Is
>>this normal, and if so, could someone explain why?  Also, is there anything
>>that can be done to make this faster?
>
>Could it be the simple fact that the MacPartition is many times _smaller_
>than "/"...?

I really don't think so because the files I am talking about are about 500K,
unless there's heavy fragmentation.  On that note, is there a unix utility
I am not aware of that manages fragmentation (equivalent of Norton Speed
Disk) or is that somehow handled by the OS?  

I haven't discounted the simple theory of partition size.  I think I can
simply test the theory by hooking up a SyQuest drive.  Now if only I could
find an available disk around...better yet two.  Otherwise, I will have to
partition it into two and worry about which tracks are inside and which are
outside.

James
From: dpassage@soda.berkeley.edu (David G. Paschich)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Re: A/UX 3.0 partition slower than Mac Partition
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:14:47
Organization: Organization?  Who cares?  You just gotta say "Go Bears!"
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In-reply-to: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov's message of Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:58:07 GMT


   li@oculus.loni.ucla.edu (James Li) writes:

   >>>When working from Mac Applications, access to the Mac Partition is several
   >>>times faster than a folder/directory under the root (/) partition.  Is
   >>>this normal, and if so, could someone explain why?  Also, is there anything
   >>>that can be done to make this faster?

This is normal.  What's going on is that / is a unix-style filesystem,
and the A/UX Finder has to "convert" the information in it to the
MacOS form from the Unix form.  For example, under MacOS, the creator
and type information are stored in the directory information, whereas
under Unix files don't have this sort of meta-information, just name,
size, permissions, and modification time.  So A/UX uses a special data
format for MacOS files that are in the Unix file system.

You can speed thing up by using fcnvt(1M) to convert those MacOS files
from A/UX's "AppleSingle" format to "AppleDouble" format, in which the
file info and resource forks are kept in a seperate file named the
same thing but with a % on the front.

   Jim Jagielski offers:

   >>Could it be the simple fact that the MacPartition is many times _smaller_
   >>than "/"...?

I don't think so.  My system has an 80 meg MacOS disk and a 200 meg
hard disk with two Unix partitions on it, one about 120 megs and the
other 40 megs.  Under Mac applications, I see better performance from
the 80 meg disk than I do from the 40 meg Unix partition.

   li@oculus.loni.ucla.edu (James Li) writes:

   >I really don't think so because the files I am talking about are about 500K,
   >unless there's heavy fragmentation.  On that note, is there a unix utility
   >I am not aware of that manages fragmentation (equivalent of Norton Speed
   >Disk) or is that somehow handled by the OS?  

The Unix file system under A/UX is based on the BSD Fast File System,
which takes a number of steps to reduce fragmentation, including
trying to allocate files on different parts of the disk so they have
space to grow.  For more info, you could grab a copy of "The Design
and Implementation of 4.3 BSD" by Karels, McKusick, et al., but the
other details of other parts of Unix in that book don't apply to A/UX
because most of the rest of A/UX is based on System V.

David Paschich
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