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From: bell@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Term 2.4 help
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:32:16 GMT

    I like the much improved VT100 terminal emulation but I have one question.
    I can't use my old phonebook.  What's going on?? Help!!
   THanks!!!!

			Shane L. Bell
From: richardc@vogue.adsp.sub.org (Richard Carde)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: MP_CHESS! multi-play support
Date: 10 Oct 92 03:41:01 GMT
Organization: Amiga Developer (GPSoftware ACM093)
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <jvasher.041a@cquest.mi.org> jvasher@cquest.mi.org (Joe Vasher) writes:
 
> I'm posting this on datacomm do to the fact I no longer can get into 
> the support area For Cnet on Future World. Ken found out that I'm running 
> Excelsior BBS software and Cut my access from Registered Cnet sysop to Peon on 
> his board. Thank god all software companys don't run there bussiness like CNET.

And how about SYSOP's respect for Copyright!  I hope you have removed that
pirate copy of GPFax v1.01 from your BBS now - I dont like wasting
Internatinal phone calls just to check these sorts of things out!!

> ||        Joe Vasher               Internet jvasher@cquest.mi.org        ||
> ||        ComQuest BBS             UUCP     vela!mbsun!cquest!jvasher    ||
> ||        Powered by Excelsior     BBS      (313) 729-8035               ||

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: king@rtsg.mot.com (Steven King, Software Archaeologist)
Subject: Re: Supra V32bis modems and power supplies ?
Reply-To: king@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:32:49 GMT

kaarts@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Kenneth John Aarts) publicly declared:
>I would prefer to leave my modem running 24 hours a day, but it seems that
>the power supply gets a lot warmer than I feel safe with.  It only needs a few
>more degrees before I would not be able to touch it.
>
>Has anyone who leaves their Supra V32bis modem running continuously had any
>problems with overheating?  I sent a letter to Supra, but I didn't receive any
>response.

I run a BBS (no, not on the Amiga, on an MS-DOG box) with my Supra.
Yes, the power supply gets painfully hot.  I'd read on comp.dcom.modems
that some people were having problems with the power supply provided by
Supra.  Apparently it doesn't provide enough current.

While trying to diagnose some modem problems the other night I ran out
to Radio Shark and bought a bigger supply.  The standard Supra supply
is 600 mA, the Radio Shark supply is more than twice as big at 1300 mA.
The modem problems didn't go away (I eventually found problems
with some register settings instead), but since the new supply runs
much cooler I decided to keep it.  It's still quite warm to the touch,
but not as blisteringly hot as the Supra supply.

Note, I'm *NOT* contending that Supra ships under-powered power
supplies.  As far as I can tell the original worked just fine.  The new
one just gives me a little piece of mind.

It's hard to find a supply like this.  The output is 9V AC!  Most power
adapters you may have around the house are 6V or 9V DC.  Nothing else I
own uses a 9V AC power brick.  Luckily I found one at Radio Shark, and
they only wanted about $16 or $17 for it.  From the packaging it looks
like this is intended to be a replacement for a Nintendo supply, so if
you've got a Nintendo machine you might be able to use that one.  CHECK
IT FIRST!  9V DC *probably* won't hurt your modem, but do you really
want to test it on a $300 piece of hardware?

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From: Scotty@freemf.UUCP (Scotty)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Supra V32bis modems and power supplies ?
Distribution: world
Date: 12 Oct 92 11:19:21 PDT
Organization: Not an Organization

In a message dated Mon 12 Oct 92  4:19, Kaarts@ccu.umanitoba.ca (kenneth Jo
wrote:

 KJ> Has anyone who leaves their Supra V32bis modem running continuously
 KJ> had any problems with overheating?

  Well, I've been running mine continuously on my BBS for four months now -
no problems...

 KJ> BTW, has Supra sent out the new Roms to anyone yet?

  Yes - I installed mine a couple of days ago.  ATI3 returns 'V1.200-J
TR14-Jxxx-001 135".  I did have to re-set the nonvolatile settings, cause
they went away after the upgrade - everything's working fine now... 
*(Scotty)*

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

John (Scotty) Freeland  ---  scotty@freemf.eskimo.celestial.com
From: kevin@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: A2000+Appletalk?
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:33:41 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System

Is there away for an Amiga 2000 to be hooked to an Appletalk network other than
AmaxII+?

Kevin
kevin@msus1.msus.edu
From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: JRComm 2.0???
Date: 8 Oct 1992 18:05:33 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

In article <1992Oct8.011926.15005@ucc.su.OZ.AU> mikel@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Michael Lorant) writes:
>Well X-Comm is current progressing quite well, and its current version
>number is 0.975beta. It is currently having its bugs removed and tidied up

Uh-oh, folks.  I'm sure we all remember how long DLG Pro was at
0.975beta.  It could be EONS before it ever makes it to the public...

:D

Greg

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From: Les_Jenkins@lppl.mi.org (Les Jenkins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: BBS Packages (Again!)
Distribution: world
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:36:42 EST
Organization: Les's Place BBS

In a message dated Thu  8 Oct 92 16:41, Dave@dogbox.acme.gen.nz wrote:

 D> Can anyone please provide me with information for CNet or DLG Pro?  Or
 D> other BBS packages (apart from Citidal (I have already got it))?

 D> The info that I need is:

 D> Contact ADDRESS (Not Ph #.  I'm in New Zealand, not the States) Status
 D> (ShareWare, Commerical etc....) Price Support of Usenet/UUCP or
FidoNet?
 D> Doors/External program support Multiple Nodes? Support of fast modems?

Not sure of the current address, but I can help with the other info. DLG
Pro is a commercial package. Current price for the beta-release is $189.99
(don't quote me on that, but I think thats correct) DLG Pro supports
USENET/UUCP directly in the message bases as well as FidoNet. A registered
version of TrapDOOR and DLGMail are provided along with access to the
newest updates of each and any UUCP package can be used with DLG's USENET
utilities. DLG Pro allows any program which I/O's to a standard or RAW CLI
window to be run as a door and can support any number of phone lines you
can manage to hook into your Amiga. Full support of fast modems is also
provided with loads of default settings for the most popular brands.

 D> Any help would be greatly appreciated.

No problem...



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From: paulk@terapin.com (Paul Kienitz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: QWK off-line message reader for Amiga?
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:42:35 PST
Organization: BBS

> > The BlueWave format is going to become public this year.
 
> Really? Do you mean "year" as in 12 month period, or "year" as in a
> calender year?
 
It'll probably be out in a few weeks.  The various BW authors are
synchronizing their watches now.
From: thly@pe.chalmers.se (Thomas Lydhig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: SERNET Help Needed
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:15:54 GMT

rovero@attu.oc.nps.navy.mil (Josh Rovero) writes:
: I am trying to get SerNET 2.4 running between an Amiga 3000 and 500.
: The 500 runs 1.3, the 3000 runs 2.04, and the serial connection between
: them is good -- tested at 19200 with vlt and baudbandit.  The 500 has
: 3M of memory and a 68010 processor; the 3000 10M and an A2232 board (but
: the default is the built in port, which is what is connected).
: 
: After NET: is mounted on both machines, a request from the 3000 to read
: a 500 resource just hangs (no return, CLI frozen).  A request from the
: 500 results in an immediate guru with a xxxxxxx4.xxxxxxxx code.
: 
: Any hints?
: 
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: Department of Oceanography, Code OC/Rv |      Bitnet 5346p@NAVPGS 
: Naval Postgraduate School              |              
: Monterey, CA  93943   (408) 646-2084   |

A litte hint: Try with serial.device at low speed (for ex 9600 or less) to see
if it works. Some people has reported that there are bugs in BaudBandit.device.
I don't know if this will help you but it is a hint.


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    /S Jobs, Apple Inc. (written on a PC!)

  "Only dead fish float with the current"
    /G Johnson, IBM
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.datacomm:6760 comp.dcom.modems:14714
From: zerkle@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (Dan Zerkle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm,comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Best way to get V.32bis + FAX on Amiga?
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:48:20 GMT
Reply-To: zerkle@cs.ucdavis.edu (Dan Zerkle)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of California, Davis

What is the best way to get V.32bis + FAX on my Amiga 3000 (2.04,
2Mchip + 4Mfast, 25mHz)?  I'm interested in modem models, software
packages, mail-order stores, and prices.

I called up Hytec computers, and they will sell me the Supra V.32bis
modem + GPFax software for about $330 + shipping ($299 no software).
This also includes ATalk-III, but I already have a terminal program.
This seems like a pretty good deal.

The lines here are fairly clean, so a friend has successfully used one
of the Supra modems at the 14.4 Kbps rate locally and to another about 80
miles away.

I will be using this as a straight terminal, and probably for a SLIP
or PPP connection.  The FAX is less important, but a nice bonus for
the modern modems.

I have PageStream to generate FAXen, if needed.

I've been hearing a lot about the Zyxel modems, but actually know
little.  Should they be a consideration? 

--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: cramer@satie.psu.edu (Michael R. Cramer)
Subject: YTerm for the Amiga...
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 23:06:54 GMT

Is there a terminal program out there for the Amiga that supports 
the YTerm protocol? Our mainframe supports it here at PSU and it
looks SO much better with YTerm than it does with VT-100.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (The Bewildered One)
Subject: Re: multiple serial ports on A500 or A600
Keywords: multiple serial ports, A500, A600
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:56:23 GMT

ggibeau@ucqais.cba.uc.edu (George G. Gibeau) writes:

>Does anyone know of any way to get multiple serial ports on either
>the A600 or the A500? 

For the A500 there are a2000 style multi-serial port cards, that you would
only need the pass through zorro II holder for the a500, i know they are out
there.  But if it doesn't come with its own power supply.  You will have
to buy a new power supply (ie Big Foot)

Martin


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: king@rtsg.mot.com (Steven King, Software Archaeologist)
Subject: Re: Amiga to Unix
Reply-To: king@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:33:15 GMT

swindley@elec.uq.oz.au (Robert Swindley) publicly declared:
>  Could someone please mail me information on what
>would be required to dial in from home to the
>university Unix system.
>
>  I own an A500 1meg ram, 2 * 3 1/2 drives, and
>a unix login.
>
>  The system I use at uni has dial in access and
>uses a VT100 terminal emulation.
>
>  I have heard of the program VLT, but is this
>all I need (besides a modem)

All you need then is a modem and a terminal program that'll handle
VT100.  VT100 is probably the most common terminal type these days so
just about any terminal program will be capable of it.  (Whether or not
they do it *well* is another matter.)

VLT is a very capable program, but it doesn't like AmigaDOS 1.3 very
much.  It'll run, but some of the ARexx scripts rely on 2.0 library
routines.  I use JRComm myself, and have had no problems with it.  I've
also used ATalkIII, and it was also pretty good.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: rghester@eos.ncsu.edu (Rodney Hester)
Subject: Re: Dialing for voice
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:45:29 GMT

In article <Jamie_Krutz.0j36@a68k.denver.CO.US> Jamie_Krutz@a68k.denver.CO.US (Jamie Krutz) writes:
>Quick question:  Can anyone give me a cli or ARexx script for dialing my
>phone via my modem given a phone number to which I want to make a voice
>call?  Basically I want to use my Amiga as an auto dialer.  I have a
>database of phone numbers I can get at via cli or ARexx.

I'm not sure if this is exactly what you're looking for, but here is an AREXX
script I wrote to dial phone numbers.  It takes a phone number an an argument,
initializes the modem, and then dials the number.  Feel free to modify it any
way you like.  I hope it helps!

---
/* Dial phone number from AREXX */

arg phonenum

delval=120  /* Modem response delay - set higher for accelerated machines */

open(ser, 'SER:')

say 'Initializing modem...'||'0a'x

writech(ser, 'ATZ'||'0d'x)

do delay=1 to delval
   end

if phonenum ~= "" then do
   say 'Dialing 'phonenum'...'
   writech(ser, 'ATDT'phonenum||'0d'x)
   end

else
   say 'No number to dial!'

close(ser)
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From: william@terapin.com (William Wong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: JRComm 2.0???
Date: 10 Oct 92 05:19:40 GMT
Organization: BBS

What is the latest version of X-Comm?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: andsk@sabrina.dei.unipd.it (Andrea Rafreider 307318/il)
Subject: Term
Organization: D.E.I. Universita' di Padova, Italia
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 11:57:02 GMT

Does anybody know if Term works with a 1200/75 baud modem ?
I ask this because I own such a modem (and only this one..)

                       Andrea.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: rlosey@sdf.lonestar.org (Richard Losey)
Subject: Re: Baudbandit.device?
Organization: Best lil' ol' Pubnix in Texas
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 22:11:49 GMT

In article <181asB2w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> vidiot@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Rankin Eric) writes:
>I can't even get it [BaudBandit.device] to init with Term, JRComm, C-Net,
> Magicall, NOTHING.  
>I've tried several versions including 1.0 and 1.4 and nothing...

I was under the impression that it wouldn't work on UNIX boards (at least on
the board I call) that use 7E1 -- it only supports 8N1.  Can anybody confirm
this?  Otherwise, I think it is OK.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999)
Subject: Re: Supra V32bis modems and power supplies ?
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 18:49:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.211805.29870@col.hp.com> dkm@col.hp.com (Dave K. Martin) writes:

>jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999) writes:
>> 
>> I agree.  Personally, I find those obnoxious power bricks to be a big pain
>> in the tukas.  WHY is it that Supra and others won't make the case a wee bit
>> bigger and put the PS inside where it belongs is beyond me!  IMO, those bricks
>> are a safety hazard on top of being darned inconvenient.
>
>Umm, aside from being easier to manufacture the whatsis (and the volume price
>on power bricks is probably much cheaper than building in supplies), it makes
>UL (Underwriter Labaratories) certification easier/cheaper.  I've been told 
>that for UL and probably the European equivalent certification, only the 
>part that deals with the main line voltage/currents has to be tested.  Much 
>cheaper to get a "brick" certified than a complete modem, computer, whatever.

So, is the modem then not UL certified?  This is implied, at least, in your
statement.

>Comments from anyone who has gone through the certification process are 
>welcomed.

Indeed.  I'd also like to know how something as inherently unsafe as a power
brick makes it through certification.  Do UL testers wear blinders?

>Then there are heat and AC noise considerations that make locating all the 
>nasties outside of the main case attractive from an engineering standpoint.

Hm... 

>All that being said, I don't like the "bricks" either!

Wise man... :-)

>Dave Martin - dkm@col.hp.com



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From: aw2t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alex R.N. Wetmore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: `term' v2.4 to be released rsn.
Date: 12 Oct 92 06:45:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.0eqMxgG00XQQMeHsph
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.amiga.datacomm: 12-Oct-92 Re: `term' v2.4
to be relea.. by Bruce West@ponder.csci.u 
>   I don't understand what happened to term and the latest version of VLT. But
> for some reason when you have "destructive backspace" set wehn you hit the
> left arrow while editing a file you erase those characters.  Hitting right
> arrow will cause those characters to reapper (or ^L).  If you disable the
> destructive backspace then you can't erase with the backspace key
while you're
>  
> typing (assuming you switch backspace and delete, etc etc).  Regardless, the
> end result is either good editing of a file, OR good ability while typing
> text.  This under VI by the way.

That is not vlt's fault, but the way that vi behaves.  When you hit left
arrow, vi sends a bs character (it is less characters then send the
sequence to move left).  If you have destructive bs turned on this will
erase stuff.

In general, I wouldn't turn destructive bs on.  Vi (and a lot of other
curses programs) aren't going to work correctly with it on.

alex
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: Blaine Lundy <agt!blundy@cs.ualberta.ca>
Subject: Supra 14.4k -> Current ROMs
X-Xxdate: Fri, 16 Oct 92 17:19:25 GMT
Organization: AGT Limited Research & Development
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 16:15:24 GMT

Does anyone know what the current ROM version is for the Supra 14.4k
fax/modem? I believe I have something like version 1200-H.

Thanks in Advance

****************
Blaine Lundy
Research & Development
AGT Ltd.
e-mail: blundy%agt.uucp@cs.ualberta.ca
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm,de.comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: Holger.Lubitz@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Holger Lubitz)
Subject: UpdateConfig for Term 2.4
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:38:50 GMT
Summary: missing UpdateConfig now on faramir

Term 2.4 was missing UpdateConfig in both distributions. 
It is now on ftp.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (134.106.1.9)
in /pub/amiga/term, filename UpdateConfig.lha.

Sorry for any inconvenience,
Holger 
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From: dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan)
Subject: Re: Stupid question about Kermit and Unix
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:06:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.064143.7649@infodev.cam.ac.uk> agb16@mbuc.bio.cam.ac.uk (Alan Baxter) writes:
|Could someone please tell me how to do a binary kermit transfer
|between our SunOS Release 4.1.1 Sun Workstation which I am
|connected to over a phone link and VLT?
|I have tried
|>kermit -s filename -i
|on the sun
|and then selected recieve file on VLT with the protocol set on
|kermit binary.
|This bombs out after just a few blocks.
|Any help much appreciated.
|Regards Alan

	I'm having the same trouble, only I've got a VAX on the other end.
I've tried twiddling just about every setting I can get at without success.
And Atalk-III's Kermit died on it, too.


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