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From: smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu (sofjan mustopoh)
Subject: Re: Muslims converting to other religions in England!
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 04:42:05 GMT




   Stuff deleted 
   Othman " Sometimes i deliberately not remove any mistake
            just to test the reader """
     Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha 
     Stil
     Ha H aha H a ha ha ha ha ha

    God this is the best line you can come with Encik Othman ???
    Still laughing..

    I wonder Dan Qualye should give this line after he 
    spell potato  """""" POTATOE""""""""

    Encik Othman you mean Liberal parent want their kids live 
    a pure life , like a monk.
    Still laughing........
    You should join Dan Qualye in presidential debate.
    at least people will blame Dan Qualye for your answer.

     
    Muskie..
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: racial harmony, not a dream...
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:35:06 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Oct16.182927.3721@memstvx1.memst.edu>, ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
> 	A realistic guy will see the good points as well as the bad points. 
> And to paraphrase the author of "Swimming with the Sharks without being eaten
> Alive" '... calls themselves pessimists...  they prefer the term realists'.

	Uh, that should have been, '...no one calls themselves pessimists... 
they prefer the term realists'.
	I hate this kinds of errors...  Ciao.

-Tai
From: icpa@iat.holonet.net (Tony Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: International Software Jobs
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:01:08 GMT
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From: u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.british
Subject: Kilts and Sarongs
Date: 11 Oct 92 02:21:09 GMT

Have you ever wonder,
  what should one wears under his kilt?
From waist to knee,
  that which covers his milt.

Have you ever wonder,
  what should one wears under his sarong?
From waist to ankle,
  that which covers his burong(1).

(1) A malay word for "bird".

-Num
From: milton@solomon.technet.sg (Milton Choo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: TECHNET GOPHER in PACIFIC
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:45:06 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]



I don't read this list, but recently there seems
to be some questions concerning ASIA's gopher,
i tried to register TECHNET's gopher in ASIA but
the reply is that there is only one of us or something
not enough to justify a separate category, maybe in the
future?

Currently there is only 1 gopher and that is solomon.technet.sg
under PACIFIC/TECHNET,Singapore

You have heard this from the mouth of the horse ;-)

We welcome contribution and ideas for stuff to put into 
our gopher, just send mail to me, but i can't gurantee i
will reply all of them.

--
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Milton Choo
Analyst Programmer                   Internet: milton@solomon.technet.sg
Technet Unit, Computer Centre
National University of Singapore     Tel: (65) 772-6523
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: K6K@ECLX.PSU.EDU (Kin W Koo)
Subject: Re: Email address of MINDEF Recruitment center
Organization: Penn State Engineering Computer Lab
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 18:43:04 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <1992Oct15.174428.19417@m.cs.uiuc.edu> chai@m.cs.uiuc.edu writes:

> jawahar@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jawahar (HP India)) writes:
> >Does MINDEF (Ministry of Defence)'s Recruitment center, Singapore have an email
> >address ? Can anybody mail it to me ? 
> >Thanks in advance,
> 
> I don't know about MINDEF's Recruitment center, but last time I was in
> Singapore (this summer) my friend who's a programmer for MINDEF said
> due to security considerations, MINDEF has not external email
> capabilities at this point. (I'd asked him for his email address...)

But according to the user list on technet's gopher server, there are a few
MINDEF accounts on technet.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Muslims converting to other religions in England!
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 07:24:36 GMT

Rod Swift (rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au) wrote:
: In article <1992Oct7.013502.1130@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
: 
: > If people like you were to be given the absolute power, I'm sure you have
: > no restrain to use it to the extent of "ethnic cleansing".
: 
: May I ask whether you believe it right for Muslims to be "ethnically cleansing"
So you believe that muslims will be "ethnically cleansing" the bosnian serbs.
A muslim can only kill in self defence, and this is true for all religions(?).

: Bosnia-Hercegovina at this present time.  Do you support the shipment of
: guns to Muslim peoples in that civil war?
Not only guns but missiles .

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: siong@fraser.sfu.ca (Siong Heng Chan)
Subject: Re: Muslims converting to other religions in England!
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:28:13 GMT

fajack@cc.usu.edu writes:

>In article <1992Oct8.075137.5803@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

>> 	So you muslim students, look after our girls. At least be nice to them.
>> This JPA ruling of not allowing students to get married is just stupid. I
>> can't blame them when liberal parents are the ones who demanded the ruling.
>		        ^^^^^^^
>	Shouldn't it be conservative ?


Yeah right!  This Othman has been constantly contradicting himself!!!!  For
some unknown reason!!! :)  What is this, Othman!  Buck up.  If you want to
argue, argue/flame correctly!  Contradicting yourself doesn't seem to help in
your arguments somehow..... :)


>> 
>> HOw about US students. I also hear horrow stories about murdering babies.
>> 

>	What the heck you are refering here ?  You seem to be reading a
>lot of 'weird' things about US overthere.  Are they selling National
>Enquirer in Singapore ?



Worse still, I think that Mr. Othman is subscribing the  "Weekly World
News"  !!!


siong



>Jack Teh
>> : 
>> --
>> Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
>> Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
>> Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
>> Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
>> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ktan@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Kaiswee Tan - EECS (cpts330))
Subject: Re: Muslims converting to other religions in England!
Organization: Washington State University!
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 08:04:22 GMT

In article <siong.718653374@sfu.ca> siong@fraser.sfu.ca (Siong Heng Chan) writes:
>eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

    stuff deleted!>

>>	The fact that noone bother to explain to this commenter is another
>>indication that this is accepted behaviour.
>>	Is this the standard of the culture of the commenter? Isn't it 
>>chinese?
>^^^^^^^^

 Saudara Othman Ahmad,
	First and foremost, let me make my intention clear. I have no wish to
 get involved in this case. But what I'd like mention here is the above 
 statemant made me feel very offended and the feeling is hurt too.
	If you disagree or dislike something that somebody might have said,
 flame him   not the entire chinese community in Malaysia. Do you realised
 that this statement had made you sound like an extremist? It did not help  you
 at all. It only weakened your argument and personality.
	That's all I have to say. Take it easy, will you?


 Kai
 Anak Kelantan, Buatan Malaysia.


>
From: C.H.Ka@bradford.ac.uk (CH KA)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Anyone from SABAH CHINESE HIGH SCHOOL?
Summary: Please contact if you are..
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:03:55 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 90495480@fennel

I am looking for mates from SMSC (SABAH CHINESE HIGH SCHOOL ~ 'PAH CHUNG'). If you are or you know anybody is from there please pass him/her this message and reply ASAP......
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: isckbk@nuscc.nus.sg (Kiong Beng Kee)
Subject: RE : SINGAPORE LAWS (sic)
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:26:33 GMT

vickeong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Jiun-Wen Keong) writes:

: Osbert, and my dear colleagues on s.c.a., this man here just 
: wants attention.

I agree that Singaporeans do not need noble knights to defend them from
their government.  It is ironical that foreigners need to tell us we
are having a bad time.

: What we have here is something great.
: [deleted]
: In a recent survey done by a Chicago consulting firm, 
: Singapore was voted by Fortune 500 executives as the BEST city 
: in the world to set up their foreign headquarters. Need I say 
: more?  

But, taken to the extreme, such pride is also unhealthy, and would very
well generate a false sense of superiority, as well as emnity from
Godfrey characters.
-- 
Kiong Beng Kee
Dept of Information Systems and Computer Science
National University of Singapore
Lower Kent Ridge Road, SINGAPORE 0511
From: u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Satu Bangsa (Way to Forward)..
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:38:03 GMT
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia

In article <1992Oct14.132214.3663@memstvx1.memst.edu>, ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
> 
> In article <1992Oct14.160946.18370@news.ysu.edu>, af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:
> > In a previous article, subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND) says:
> [munch munch]
> >>	How he is going to implement it? My doubt is and clarify me if I'm,
> >>wrong, is that means we going to have one and only race race and not Malay,
> >>Indian, Chinese races? Then what criteria will be used to distinguished 
> >>between bumi and non-bumi? The only way that I could think of is by the
> >>religion. If you are Muslim than you're a bumi else non-bumi. Am I right?

stuff deleted
 
> > 1. Get rid of the words BUMIPUTERA and Non-BUMIPUTERA, then we talk.
> 
> 	I believe that is what is going to go on.  So, if no "bumi" and
> "nonbumi" then your (ANAND) question is not valid.  
> > 
> > 2. Cross-cultural marriages. 
> 
> 	Very good way to start the ball rolling...  I believe that the "satu
> bangsa" is more rhetorical than literal.  He did say something about
> "respecting and learning each others cultures" and M'sia is (supposed to be)
> famous for it's multicultural diversity.  If all one race, then no such thing
> as multicultural diversity anymore, is there?

There are a couple of ways a 'Malaysian race' might evolve. One path would be
similar to the American notion of the melting pot and the American way of life.
That is where the notion of a 'national culture' espousing values like freedom,
the rags to riches American dream, etc overshadow ethnic customs and religious
beliefs. Not that the Americans aren't religious but that they view it from
a different perspective, e.g. Eisenhower's assertion that he doesn't care what
religion a person has so long as he has a religion. A 'Malaysian way of life'
has got some chance for success, e.g. a national sport(badminton or soccer),
national foods, e.g. satay, laksa, etc. 

The other path towards a Malaysian race is that of one based on the Malay 
culture, albeit strongly influenced by other cultures. This would be based
on the Malay language as the unifying tread, Malay folk stories, music, art
as its high culture, etc. I doubt very much that advocates of such a Malay-
based culture seriously oppose the migrant cultures from China or India. 
However, their emphasis would be on the Malaysianized aspects of these
cultures e.g. the peranekan. This would be based on the contraversial premise
that the Malay culture as the 'indigenous' culture should be the foundation
for any Malaysian culture or race. A Chinese or Indian based Malaysian culture
would imply that Malaysia was a cultural colony of China or India. Again, I
would stress that this is a contraversial approach, but not one which should
merit serious consideration as opposed to a violent, emotional and/or
defensive response.

Edmund
From: ytay@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (AUS:Yian,Tay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Muslims converting to other religions in England!
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:59:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: aardvark.9OCT199217592477
Organization: University of Oklahoma - University Computing Services
Originator: news@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>In article, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) says:
> 
>This is another example of people who do not know how to think like the other
>side. People make mistakes but intelligent people know how to filter mistakes
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                for example? let me made a guess,
                                someone like you ??

>from the context of the sentence. Sometimes I deliberately not remove any
>mistake just to test the reader.  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Ok, you win, don't shoot. I admit.  I am one of those dumb idiot that fall 
into your trap.  Happy????

You are a much more horrible person than I thought.



yian...

> 
>	Is this the standard of the culture of the commenter? Isn't it 
>chinese?
> 
>
>--
>Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
>Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
>Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
>Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: escmar@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Regular User)
Subject: Re: (none)
Organization:  N.T.U.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 08:03:14 GMT

 Testing 1, 2, 3, 4.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: yongwee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Yong Wee Dennis Lee)
Subject: Re: Article by Sumiko Tan of The Straits Times
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: soc.culture.asean
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 04:46:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.001256.19419@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann) writes:
>
>Yes but news that are selected for a particular purpose in mind, to
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>project the ills of the West and to enhance the moral and preception
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>of one's own country. Newspapers, magazines or any publications be it
>here or in Singapore always have an agenda of their own.  You really
>need an agile mind to filter out the truth from the lies and to many
>this is not an easy matter. Being here in the US you should be more
>than aware of this.

Me Mann should read for himself a copy of Singapore newspaper before he can
make such an allegation.  Personally, I find the world news section in the
newspapers comprehensive and objective; the coverage is wide and, contrary to
Me Mann's allegations, are not "selected".  I know much more about what's 
happening Europe than I do now in USA.

Face it, Americansin general know little about the world outside of
Northern America.  How much do they know when local newspapers are
devoid of world news, when the Olympic coverage is almost entirely
focused on the US team?  It is not that they have no right to do
that, given that US has so many teams and there is only so much TV time.

BUT THE EFFECT OF ALL THESE ON THE MEDIA IS THAT AMERICANS HAVE A
VERY "AMERICANIZED" WORLD VIEW.  The impression of "America
vs THE REST OF THE WORLD" is  prevalent, as much out of US' own greatness as
it is out of ignorance.

I propose that it is the same for S'poreans.  Their pride in Singapore is
based as much on the nation's phenomenon success as it is on their ignorance.

Dennis Lee
Stanford University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ysoh@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (CaRa SoH)
Subject: Re: Article by Sumiko Tan of The Straits Times
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: soc.culture.asean
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:08:18 GMT


Oh wow! So 48% rated Singapore as THE "Model Country for the World", and
30% claimed that NOTHING can be learnt from other countries.........
Talk about BIG ego.
Cara Soh
Indiana University 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu (sofjan mustopoh)
Subject: Re: Mat Setia and satellite parabolic antenna
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 11:41:09 GMT


  Stuff about GPS and Local Kmart are deleted

    I think Othman And Theresea are talking about different 
  Things. Othman talk about  GPS and Theresea talk about 
  Staelite receiver.
    I don't remember local Kmart will sell such a big (in term
  odf price) item like GPS but satelite receiver .Yes
  i saw several of them.

      Othman "what you need GPS for" ??
  Muskie
From: cheu@pandora.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: By Election - PM Goh Promise ?
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:59:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.2AD468D8.26530
Reply-To: cheu@pandora.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Organization: University of California, Irvine


PM Goh promised to have a by election some time in
September.  Now it's already October.  Has the PM said
anything ? Are JBJ and Chiam calling foul ?  What is 
the atmosphere in Singapore now ?


Kelvin
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:13:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: sscvx1.8OCT199216134448
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <BvtKpx.EAA@comp.vuw.ac.nz>, Amos.Omondi@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Amos Omondi)  writes...
> 
>When I was at Changi earlier this year, I went to the men's room and 
>found a man, in an official-looking uniform, seated in a chair facing 
>the stalls.  He appeared to be monitoring the activities in the room.  
>Can anyone tell me what was going on?

I believe he may have either been stool counting or watching for limbo
dancers sneaking under locked doors.  Was he wearing the proud uniform
and official emblem of the government Toilet Inspectorate General?
> 
>My opinion of Singapore's supposedly draconian laws is that they appear 
>to work quite well and probably account for the country's rapid progress 
>in the last 3 decades.  I think cleanliness, low crime, efficiency in 
>services, etc. seem to be more than an adequate return for such things as not 
>having the right to chew gum.  
> 
Do you honestly thimnk that cleanliness, low crime, efficiency etc. are
the result of the ban on chewing gum?  By the way, did you notice how clean
the less savoury areas of Singapore were, or did you just visit the airport?

Laurence
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: elelko@nuscc.nus.sg (Free Man)
Subject: Re: DR. MAHATHIR - HEART FAILURE?!?!?!
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:44:03 GMT

  wonder how old georgie got into the picture, with his tootsie and all
?? anyway, i saw a response bearing the name of one anwar ibrahim ...
anyone out there DARE to comment on the future leadership of the
malaysian government ? hey, let's face it. the past, what .. 11 years,
has been one hell of a roller coaster ride. what lies ahead seems pretty
vague now, esp. on the driver seat of that coaster ride ... seems to me,
quite a few feel that they're very much qualified to drive ..


=========================================================================

Looi Kwok Onn
EE Dept,                              "Jim, I have no ego to satisfy",
National University of Singapore.      Spock.
elelko@nuscc.nus.sg

=========================================================================
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ckc2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Cheun Kheong Chiew)
Subject: MACAO, Anyone?
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 01:26:34 GMT

hey, there!
Anyone from Macao?
From: silatman@hls.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Malaysian Islamic Study Group request!
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:47:36 GMT



      I would like to subscribe to the Malaysian Islamic Study Group
[MISG] listing. Please send email to

            Silatman@hls.com

      My previous email address was Khan@Davidsys.com/
         --------

                             Thank you.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: elelko@nuscc.nus.sg (Free Man)
Subject: Re: Help with Malaysia Research
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:26:55 GMT

z_totahmc@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
: Does anyone know how I can obtain information from 1988-1992 on Malaysia
: its economic figures, foriegn investment, culture, etc.
: My library is very inadequate.
: Z_totahmc@cccsvax.sfasu.edu
: 

  if my memory serves me right, the government press publishes an annual
year book of facts which pretty much cover what you wanted. it's kind of
a socio-economic report compiled for that year. try consulting your uni
library, if they have it ..


=========================================================================

Looi Kwok Onn
EE Dept,                              "Jim, I have no ego to satisfy",
National University of Singapore.      Spock.
elelko@nuscc.nus.sg

=========================================================================
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu (sofjan mustopoh)
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 11:33:51 GMT

In article <8OCT199217081438@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAUR
NCE GODFREY) writes:
>In article <CLIPPER.92Oct8173742@grace.csd.uwo.ca>, clipper@grace.csd.uw
.ca (Khun Yee Fung)  writes...
>>Well, there was one guy behind a glass window inside the men's
>>washroom of London England's Westminster undergound station when I
>>entered it. No big deal but that was the first time I saw an office
>>inside a washroom.
>> 
>
>Everyone knows that Westminster is the seat of the British parliament.
>The man you refer to is John Major, our Prime Minister whose economic
>miracle in the UK (through which 3,000,000 people are unemployed and
>most of the rest of us are living in poverty) whose office is now locate

>in the public toilet at Westminster station following recent government
>cutbacks.  Cabinet meetings are sometimes held there too - you can 
>usually tell when one is going on as the contents of the lavatory bowls
>are redirected to the press outside in the form of a government statemen
.
>
>Laurence



   Wish same is true with every corrupt and nepotism minister
  in our country.  :) :) 8)

  Muskie