From: nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Nan Zou)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: 7.1 vs. OS/2 and Windows NT
Date: 11 Oct 1992 14:38:31 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

johnsd2@vccnw01.its.rpi.edu (Daniel Norman Johnson) writes:
>cj00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Carl B Jabido) writes:

>|> Ok buddy, let's do some battle.  I _discussed_ this topic before with
>|> Dan Johnson and we got to know some things about each other's system.  
>|> But you. . . 

><bow>

>You are certainly not going to discuss much rationally with anyone
>here talking like that. Particularly the "Macintoy" crack. Gets
>old fast, ya know?

Well it'd be nice if everyone can discuss things calmly and rationally,
but some people you simply can't reason with, I can certainly understand
why Carl is provoked, I know I was when someone flamed me with false
information.

>|> No, changing fonts in OS/2 is easier than in Macintoy land.  You just
>|> drag the font on to whatever you want to change . . .

>How do you set ALL the fonts in the WPS like that? Ya know, set it
>so that all yer menus show with font xyz, or all windwos have thus-and-such
>a background color. Etc.

Well you can do it in two ways: you can go into the scheme palette and
edit the font used in icontext, title text, button text, menu text, etc.
and drag the scheme palette to the desktop, voila, instant system-wide
font change.  Or you can open the font pallete and drag the font to your
target window to change its font, or hold down the Alt key while
dragging for system-wide change.

[ AppleEvents and IPC ]

>Apple Events are also standardized. It would be better if they were SUPPORTED
>too.

Oh, you mean such wonderful feature is not well supported?

>|> > >Device Independent Graphics means any video device could be supported,
>|> > >be it 1-bit or 24-bit, with the necessary device driver.
>|> >  
>|> > Yes, but the PC doesn't have device-independent graphics. Instead,
>|> > you change a video card and find your networking software will no
>|> > longer run.  (Happened to me.)
>|>   
>|> You've got to be an idiot then.

>You really gotta watch that. Do you really want this
>to deteriorate to namecalling? (is it too late already?)

I'm afraid it is, this thread was originally informative and friendly,
until someone decided to join in with the sole purpose of ticking people
off.

>|>  I've never seen that problem and I've
>|> gone through three video setup's.  My networking has never been
>|> affected.  

>I dont doubt you, but it is certainly possible. Perhaps the
>networking board (whatever it was) and the video board were tyring to
>use the same memory for something.

Ask the card manufacturer to write a better device driver then.

[ Chicago font and proportional scrollbars ]

>[deletia- .wav format]
>|> > >Of course, OS/2 has quite a bit of features that MacOS doesn't have:
>|> > >pre-emptive MT, memory protection, multithreading, OO GUI, REXX, etc.
>|> >  
>|> > Ooh.  So, I guess that "threads package" thingie on my Developer's
>|> > CD was just a dream, right?  
>|> 
>|> Couldn't touch memory protection could you?

><poke> Sure I could! [sorry...]

[ AU/X ]

>However, I at least never said OS/2 didn't have something going
>for it (several somethings in fact)

Glad to see someone still remaining objective here, I was starting to
lose confidence.

>|> Threads?  Maybe you have it, but no one else uses it.  Remember what was
>|> told to us about standards?  THE APPS HAVE TO USE IT TOO!!!!!!!!

>I agree. So where are the OS/2 2.0, WPS apps, eh?

Where were the Macintosh apps 6 months after its release?

>|> Yeah, but Finder isn't OOPS is it?  It's just a wanna be.  

>I presume you mean "Object Oriented Psomething Ssomething", right?

>The finder isn't internally object oriented. It does behave

The WPS uses the System Object Model (SOM, SOM II is next year) for its
internal structure, I have to read more about it to tell you its
capabilities, it certianly is quite OO in its behavior, more so than the
Finder IMHO, but I was wrong to assert that Mac doesn't have an OO GUI,
Finder is OO in some ways.

-- Nan