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From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: communication
Date: 30 Sep 92 11:22:15
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
	<1992Sep27.201113.11608@midway.uchicago.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: h431@quads.uchicago.edu's message of Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:11:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.201113.11608@midway.uchicago.edu> h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair) writes:
>In article <01010066.elgli2@unicorn.resun.com> chris@unicorn.resun.com writes:
>>
>>I like for my lover to be interested in all of me, not just my body. 
                                          ^^^^^^^^^      ^^^^
>>And I'd like the chance to get to know the mind and personality that go
>>with their body.  This is something that I like about the news net.  I
>>am meeting people whom I have to judge by what they write, not by how
>>they look, and who have to do the same with me.  

>And I like my lover to be interested in my body and my sexuality, not just
>my mind or intellect.

This sounds like the same thing, to me, and is also how I feel.  I would
like someone to be interested in *all* of me, and if they are only
interested in my body, well, then, they can find some other body -
perhaps an inflatable one.  If they are only interested in my mind, we
can be quite happy as friends, but it would seem pointless for us to be
lovers.

>I've fallen for people that seemed very squeamish
>about me as sexual being.  And although they claimed to love me, I felt
>they were turned off by either my body, or my approach to sex.  This
>made me feel real, real, bad.

Do you think that "love" necessarily includes a desire to have sex?  I
think that sex is one component (and not an unimportant one) of a good
relationship, but I don't have to want to have sex with someone to love
them.  Nor do I have to love them to want to have sex with them.

On the other hand, my desire to touch people is pretty proportional to
the amount that I care about them, so I like to touch the people I love
a *lot*.  I still might not be interested in sex with them, though.

Which reminds me - I told a good friend of mine, who I love and who has
several times indicated an interest in sex with me (and I have sometimes 
been interested in sex with him) that I was actually afraid to have sex
with him.  Serious performance anxiety - we're so close, and we've
talked about sex with each other and other people, and I just worry that
it wouldn't be as good as he imagines...which is ridiculous, but a real
feeling, nonetheless...*smile*.

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy                               muffy@mica.berkeley.edu
~Little round planet/in a big universe/sometimes it looks blessed/
 sometimes it looks cursed/Depends on what you look at, obviously/
 But even more it depends on the way that you see~ - Bruce Cockburn
From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Call the Office of the Governor in Orgon - No on 9
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:16:35 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

cel@nsscmail.att.com (clayton EDward LEIHY iii) wrote...
>In article <m0mZSFI-0001JlC@juts.ccc.amdahl.com> wje00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Warren Jay Eggly) writes:
>>Call the Office of the Governor in Orgon - No on 9
>>The number of the Governor is 
>
>>		508-378-3111

508 is eastern Massachusetts.
I assume by now that you have seen the second post that said
that Oregon's area code is 503.

>Sorry, folks, but I just tried to call that number;
>the kind pholks at the phone company tell me the new number is
>
>                912-748-5000

But 912 is south Georgia!!!

>I just tried calling this number at 7:50 EDT and no one answers.
>What gives??

Even governors' offices are probably closed at 4:50 PDT.<smile>

Ellen
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: communication (was Re: The S & M debate)
Reply-To: orc@pell.chi.il.us
Organization: Ministry of Skritching
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 07:31:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep23.064727.8970@vax.oxford.ac.uk> cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
|Nope. I want it. It's what I usually do with cake, after all... 
|
|(Thank you Orc, yes, with other things too |-)

   Fancy that :-)
                 ____
   david parsons \bi/ From the land of brain-dead mailers
		  \/
From: crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: ECSD and soc.bi
Date: 27 Sep 92 02:19:21 GMT
Organization: 6am Digital Playground
Address: Christ's College, Cambridge CB2 3BU, ENGLAND.
X-Furry-Character: Gerald_Duck
Telephone-messages: +44 223 33 4900

From ~crj10/News/soc/bi/KILL:

  /^From: ecsd@tfs.com/h:j
  /: *ECSD and soc.bi/:j

I only got back to soc.bi today, after being away all summer. This
evening, while I sifted through an 800-message backlog, I have hit a
few firsts with my use of Usenet:
  - First time I've ever started to dislike someone just for what they
    say and how they say it, in electronic form.
  - First time I've ever taken a profound dislike to someone having
    never met them, and having only been exposed to evidence of their
    existence for a mere four hours.
  - First time I've ever killfiled a PERSON (I hope it works - I had
    to man rn to check the details of how to do it...)
  - First time I've ever followed up a thread at the same time as
    killing it.
  - First time I've ever really felt like flaming someone good and
    hard.

So - feel free to use my name in any or all lists of people who seek
to avoid having to read what this ECSD person posts to soc.bi . This
is the first time I've ever held such a low opinion of someone's
posting, so I don't take this lightly. (Yes, I do know Ted Kaldis...)

Anyway, I know soc.bi isn't *supposed* to be flirty and huggy and
secure-feeling, but I much preferred it when it was. That side of
things is being marginalised now - I wouldn't mind it being
marginalised by well-maintained discussion of bisexual issues, but the
current tone of debate is not my idea of fun. )-8

Well, that's my 2p on the subject. I've killed this thread - if you
*really* want to follow it up with me, then send e-mail, but I don't
promise to reply to it!

Sigh,

--Clive.
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: images of Heroes
Date: 27 Sep 92 13:54:16 GMT
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, NJ, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: plts.uucp

In article <1992Sep27.003059.3318@infodev.cam.ac.uk> MJW19@phx.cam.ac.uk (M.J.Williams on turves.cl.cam.ac.uk) writes:
>In article <19e3oqINN35m@plts.uucp> tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>>I'm bi.  I can send you a JPEG of me brushing my teeth.  Do you
>>consider that to be a bisexual act?
>
>I suppose it really depends on what your toothbrush.

I couldn't tell you, that would be cheating!  You'll just have to visit
the colonies some time.

>Oh damn. Now look what I've gone and done -- I've posted to soc.bi. What a
>giveaway.

It happens to the best of us.

Tom
(Hey everyone!  I'm posting using "trn".  I finally installed it so
I could deal with the backlog of soc.bi/soc.motss!)
-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@plts.uucp (home) -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work)
"Families should be more like the Waltons instead of the Simpsons" -G. Bush;
"But we *are* like the Waltons: we're waiting for the Depression to end,
too!" -B. Simpson 8/20;    S7/2 b+ g l+ y z- n++ o++ x++ a-- u+ v+ j+ PIG8/5
From: crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Ellen's Pix...
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:40:22 GMT
Organization: 6am Digital Playground
Telephone-Messages: +44 223 33 4900
Address: Christ's College, Cambridge CB2 3BU, ENGLAND.
X-Furry-Character: Gerald_Duck

In article <memo.662973@cix.compulink.co.uk> cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>Clive Grace    <===== now that Clive Jones is on the net I'll take steps
>                      to differentiate my postings from him.... to avoid
>                      any confusion then may occur.

Hmm. I think I may have got here first, in fact - but I have been
silent for most of the summer because I'm an undergraduate!

Anyway - you can tell my postings, because I *always* finish them with
(note the punctuation!):

--Clive.
From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: expressing anger
Date: 30 Sep 92 05:24:59 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk wrote...
>
> pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>
>> Ok, here's what I could come up with.  I didn't find anything that
>> directly addresses non-destructive expression of anger the way that
>> the previously recommended _Dance of Anger_ does, but you could
>> consider these supplementary reading.  (I learned how to deal with 
>> anger (sort of) in therapy so I'm lacking in written references).
>
>> Tao Te Ching
>> Lao Tzu
>>   Just had to throw this one in the list.
>
>Ah, but which translation? The Jane English and Gia Fu Feng one is my fave.

This one is Raghavan Iyer.
A Concord Grove Press book.

Ellen
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bp@cs.brown.edu (Boris Putanec)
Subject: Re: Multiple Orientations?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Brown University
	<1992Sep26.054022.12653@cltr.uq.OZ.AU>
	<1992Sep26.081716.10956@news.acns.nwu.edu>
	<Bv9B0v.5IK@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 03:38:30 GMT

In article <Bv9B0v.5IK@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (moz [chris moseley]) writes:

   Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
   > "The unexamined life is not worth living." -- (I think this is a quote
   > from someone famous but *I* heard it from one of my queer friends about
   > the time I was coming out as gay/bi.

   Oscar Wilde. (I'm almost certain).

I was going to say Henry David Thoreau, but then decided to look it up
and found this:

Oxford Dictionary of Quotations, Copyright 1991 Oxford Univ. Press
 
SOCRATES469-399b.c.
 
The unexamined life is not worth living.
Plato, Apology, 38a

I was pleasantly suprised. *smile*

boris
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: jcatesii@nyx.cs.du.edu (James Cates III)
Subject: Re: Multiple Orientations?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 10:37:27 GMT



Yvette Lian writes:

"Too much self-analysis turns things into things they're not"
--- my girlfriend, after I spoke to her about this very thread! :)

Hullo Yvette,

   Mental-masturbation is a term I like to use for this. ;)

   Musical Reference of the Day: "Think too much" - Paul Simon

Jim

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: Multiple Orientations?
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:41:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.194234.1193@leland.Stanford.EDU> mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:
>drb@kepler.unh.edu (Dean R Biron) writes:
>: >   Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>: >   > "The unexamined life is not worth living."
>: 
>: This quote is attributed to Socrates when he was being held in prison,
>: shortly before being executed.  He was offered a chance to flee into exile
>: but refused, saying that if he could not even express his thoughts in
>: 'enlightened' Athens, how much worse it would be anywhere else.  Since
>: the unexamined life is not worth living, he literally chose death.
>
>What a twit!  (Socrates, not Dean :-)
>The unexamined life is indeed something of a waste, but to choose to
>die just because people don't like your opinions?  That's daft!
>[Mike thinks, yet again, of recent arguments here, and people's
>claims that they weren't being listened to ..]

Hey, well Aristotle agreed with you and boogied out of Athens when things
got too hot for him.

>
>Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k+ s m- e? |"Bloody nose and burning eyes
>      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and        | Raised in laughter to the skies"
>          backrubber of devotion            |     - Bruce Cockburn


-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: dwells@lonestar.utsa.edu (Darren . Wells)
Subject: Re: Wow
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:21:13 GMT

In article <19uk2iINN2tj@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>
>Yes, to 99.999% of you, hugs are probably not a big thing . . .

Speak for yourself, Roy.   :-)

I shrivel if I do not receive my daily quota of hugs.

>I usually consider hugs to be just like handshakes, only worse :) ... I
>mean, I _cannot_ initiate a hug, and just like with a handshake, it's a
>question of I don't want to pull away too fast, or hold on too long, or ...
>bleargh ...

Sounds like you might just need some practice, to get a better sense of
how it works.  *grin*  And you can practice on me anytime . . .

*hugs to all*

Darren, feeling a bit more extroverted today than usual . . .

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: wgt@sirocco.cs.odu.edu (Warren T.)
Subject: When to Say.... (A poem)
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:43:53 GMT


This poem is more along the lines of co-dependency and getting away
from it, but it works for everybody, I suppose.....

Hope you enjoy it........

	Warren T.

**********************************************************

	When To Say...


I don't know when to say when, but do know that now is too soon.
Too soon to reach the stars, too soon to fly the moon.

I don't know when to say love, but do know what I feel.
What I feel is the deep throbbing, of heartbreak and appeal.

I don't know when to stop and cry, or when to stop and smile.
Just that every so often, I have a reason for awhile.

Taking care of others seems to come so easy to my heart.
Taking care of myself is confusing.  Don't know if I fit the part.

I know when to say I want to touch you, to hold your body tight.
I know when to ask for your warmth for one moment, for one night.

Out from under thumbs, out and into myself, into the world.
Now is the time to say when and to let my soul unfurl.

But when do I get to be angry, to feel the spite and malice?
When do I get to drink from the cup, mug, glass or chalice?

When do I come into my own, to live my own life, free?
When do I get to fly, like hummingbird or bee?

For this to end, and myself to let loose unto the night.
For this to be, and ourselves tangled together holding tight.

Twisting fates skeins around my heart, from this there lies the birth.
The birth of a new heart, new life, new love, new sense of mirth.

This is an oddness, a lightness of being myself and alive.
For this I lean away from the hurting, the suffering, and strive.

Did you do this to me, or have I given this gift to myself?
This gift of timeless freedom and selfless jealousy of the self.

Do I carry on, or stop now -- time to say... when, to say.
Let myself be myself, or let myself drift away?

People keep asking me questions, expecting me to know truth.
But my truth is their delusion, their delusion my way to youth.

People rely on my heart to heal them, to lead them away.
Away from the hurt, the anger, the pain, the suffering, for a day.

But a day is all I can give, for now I must touch my own heart.
Answer my own questions, create my own world, seperate but a part.

I must now fight for my life, my future and my goals.
My world, thus far, has been perilous, full of holes.

Touch my heart when I need you, support me when I cry.
For this promise I make, to never hurt or say goodbye.

Never say goodbye to those who've left me behind.
For one day I may meet them when they need me and my mind.

My mind and my heart, together for me and my well-being.
Being well and feeling well and looking well and seeing.

Is now the time to say... when, to say?
I'm happy in and of myself.  Through the morrow, or just today?

I guess that depends on me, for taking care of myself.
I'm responsible for my being, can't put my heart upon a shelf.


	The Co-dependents poem.
		
By Warren T.

(for me)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: eascher@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Erez Ascher)
Subject: Communes/organizations
Summary: Asking for info. on bisexual vegetarian organizations esp. communes
Keywords: commune, vegetarian
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: soc.bi
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:42:45 GMT

I have never posted to this group before and so I suppose I should
make an introduction.  Hi everyone and e-hugs to all.  My name is 
Erez Ascher and I was wondering if anyone knew of any vegetarian
bisexual organizations, especially communes or close-knit groups.
Although I've looked, I haven't been able to find anything that would
qualify.  Nevertheless, after reading soc.bi for a month now, I figure
that someone reading this might know.  I find myself fascinated with
the notion and would really appreciate any information anyone might be
able to provide.  
			Thanks in advance, Erez

(too ignornant of UNIX for a .sig file)
From: mjw19@cl.cam.ac.uk (M.J. Williams)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Some fears and doubts about my sexuality
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:44:39 GMT
Reply-To: MJW19@phx.cam.ac.uk (M.J. Williams on cl.cam.ac.uk)
Organization: The National Society for the Inversion of Cudddly Tigers

In article <1992Sep30.010759.13687@infodev.cam.ac.uk> crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.172101.34697@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (Arrowsmith) writes:
>>                                      Why is the only ABBA fan I know
>>determinedly straight, much to the annoyance of at least two people I
>>know?
>
>Not true! I am *not* annoyed by it, just intrigued.
>Or was I not one of the 'at least two'? (-8

  I think that perhaps you are not one of the two. I think I know who he means,
  and the other presumably won't read this.

  However, I'd like to deny that I am annoyed about this, 'cos >HE< might read
  this, and >HE< is bigger than me 8-(. (Actually, I'm 6'3" and he's 5'8" but
  he has a vicious streak.)

  Any way, he only CLAIMS to be straight. Opinion is still divided on the
  subject 8-) 8-).

_______________________________________________________________________________
 \   ^   / Michael Williams                     Part II Computer Science Tripos
  |\/|\/\  MJW19@phx.cam.ac.uk                          University of Cambridge
  |  |(__) Cymdeithas Genedlaethol Traddodiad Troi Teigrod Mwythus Ben I Waered
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Blueberry Demuffinings.
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 02:38:49 GMT

safarj@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Jonah Emanuel Safar) writes:
:  So, erm... 'Hi.'

Blatant request for e-hugs, or what?!  Still, I'm well-known for
never resisting those (a legend in my own keyboard, me).  Have a
heap (being either a lot of hugs, or another word for a
multiplicity of bisexuals) ...

: <Grin> Well, here's to the Democrats in '92, for those
: looking for a laugh at Georgie, look up the new single 'Read my Lips' by
: Thousand Points of Night...

Just got my first ever US voter registration card.  Says I'm 
registered as Democrat.  Wierd.  Let's not have an argument here
over the morals of voting for big parties when the smaller ones are
truer to your beliefs (unless you really have to).  I could barely
take the fact that Major won, and Bush getting back is enough to
really freak me out.

However, as for anti-Shrub humour songs, I don't think you can do much
better than Two Nice Girl's "Kinder And Gentler Fuck" - politically
correct (no capitals) at every level, hilarious, and good music to
boot (hopefully literally :-)

Mike, who prefers a closet liberal to a closet fascist *ANY* day
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k+ s m- e? |"Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and        | Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion            |     - Bruce Cockburn
 ....."I suffer from internalized homophonophobia"....."Their, they're".....
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: q1hl@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Nameless CS Student)
Subject: Re: Where are the bisexuals?
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:13:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.133147.11002@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>Do you folks have other suggestions? Where have you come out or found
>other bisexuals?
How about in the computer industry?  I don't see any preponderance of
strictly homosexual people like you do in, say, fashion or hairdressing,
but there seems to be a bisexual lurking behind every other CRT out here...
From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Socratic silliness (was Re: Multiple Orientations?)
Date: 3 Oct 92 17:09:22 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (Arrowsmith) wrote...
>I can understand people who have some sort of purpose to their life, a
>goal they're working towards, a cause they champion, a person who needs
>them; but the attitude of "living for the sake of being alive" is one
>I just can't get my head around, it makes no sense to me.  In that
>situation, what are you throwing away?  Nothing but a drain on human
>(and world) resources.  

Life for the sake of being alive, is something I don't quite get
(though I'm trying); however, life for the sake of learning, I
do understand.  And it's not likely that I am going to learn
everything I want to in this lifetime.  (And no, I'm not just 
talking about book learning...<smile>)

Ellen
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Weirdness
Date: 3 Oct 92 16:40:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.38930
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1ae1v8INNlor@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> rlebeau@cats.ucsc.edu (Eclipse) writes:
+
+Adam and Eve, and their sons did not commit incest.  One of the sons
+(I don't remember which) wonders off marries a women from the people
+of Nod (I think nod translated at sometime in some language to nomad).
+Now if Adam and Eve where the first people where did this whole tribe
+of people come from?????  (This is just one of many things that makes

There are several contributions to the 'genesis' story. One analysis
indicated that there at least 4 major 'stories' wove into the
current Christian biblical account. There are antecedent stories
which involve the persona of Lilith a first wife of Adam. Lilith
became or was independent and left Adam. She is associated with the
'Screach Owl' later in the bible.

With Lilith gone, the deity provided Adam with a more 'suitable help
meet', i.e. a more subservient woman in the form of Eve.

Even the 2-3rd century christian writers noted the extra people in
the earth that could not be attributed to Adam and Eve's offspring.
They often attributed them to corrupt angels having sex with Adam's
line or left the abiguity as 'unknowable'.

In terms of modern 'scientism' of the 'genesis' acount, it is in
fact the simplest explanation of the observed universe's existance.
Hypothesis: God Did It. Supporting evidence, "you see it".

Since we as mortal humans can not see 'God' do other creative acts
relative to new universes to verify the Hypothesis, we can nether prove
nor disprove the assertion.

But for that matter nether can the evolutionary hypothesis be
'prove' by repetative demonstration. We have observed phenomenon, we
have some laboratory results, and a collection of models which
explain the observations. It is belief that carries these models
into the world as 'this is the way it was'. The 'god' fearing just
have a different set of models, laboratory results, and collection
of models.

-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi