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From: zayan@bcsaic.boeing.com (Ahmed Zayan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: 'Riba' and Interest (was: Re: Civilization bandwagon)
Keywords: Riba, interest, Islam, economics, humor
Date: 14 Dec 92 01:46:56 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

In article <1992Dec13.084610.8185@cs.wisc.edu> ayoub@globey.cs.wisc.edu (Nabil Ayoub) writes:
>In article <88851@bcsaic.boeing.com> zayan@bcsaic.boeing.com (Ahmed Zayan) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec10.033714.3346@cs.wisc.edu> ayoub@globey.cs.wisc.edu (Nabil Ayoub) writes:
>>>
>>>I am glad you raised the issue of the 'Tawzeef ElAmwal' scandal. Does any
>>> [ egyptian trash(zebaala) deleted]
>
>Thanx a lot for the humor Ahmed. 
>I think we need a lot of it these
>days. You know the end of semester 
>and other stuff! Keep it up :-)
>
>>Ahmed B. Zayan
>>
>>maSry not egyptian
>
>Is this a linear transformation ?
>i.e. ra(g/j)oll not a man ?
>Just curious ...
>
>Nabil

egyptian : 90% of egypt population where concern about Sphinx's nose
           durning the last earthquake
           90% think democrarcy means more handouts
	   90% believe whatever the egyptian government feed them 
	   90% ... 
	      (aft the end of the semester, and best of luck)
        
>
>          .-------------------------------------------------------------.
>         /  Nabil Ayoub                        ____/   __  /    ____/  /
>        /  Engine Research Center             /       /   /    /      /
>       /  Dept. of Mechanical Engineering    ___/    __  /    /      /
>      /  University of Wisconsin-Madison    /       /   |    /      /
>     /  Email:ayoub@erctitan.me.wisc.edu  _____/ __/   _|  _____/  /
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From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: Re: Israel:Laundering & BCCI
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:34:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec07.223731.10909@eng.umd.edu>, ziad@eng.umd.edu (Ziad K. Cheiban) writes:
|>  
|> The YEDIOT AHARONOT report says that almost two years ago, the 
|> FBI, working on a tip, identified and when determined through 
|> surveillance that "a very wealthy Syrian Jew" who owned a real 
|> estate business in New Jersey was one of the leaders of a large 
|> money laundering network, based in Israel, which smuggled many 
|> millions of dollars to Israel and also to Switzerloand, mainly 
|> from New York."
|>  
|> The bureau also learned that the Syrian worked under the 
|> direction of a former agent of Israel's spy agency, Mossad, said 
|> YEDIOT AHARNON. It quoted an internal FBI document, identifying 
|> the ex-Mossad officer, his son, the Syrian realtor and an Israeli 
|> messenger, all based in New York, as "part of a much larger 
|> organization with its headquarters in Tel Aviv...which is 
|> operating according to the rules of an intelligence 
|> [organization], including the use of "safe houses," intelligence 
|> gathering and surveillance." 

Is this not very interesting, first this guy is a "Syrian Jew" then it became
a "Syrian". So now the Syrians are in control of everything that goes on in
the US drug dealing and M.E. destruction.

A.Faris
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: ziad@eng.umd.edu (Ziad K. Cheiban)
Subject:  Ramya
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 20:44:28 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park

Cross-posted without permission from misc.sctivism.progressive.

>From ADC Times, November 1992, p19:

RAMYA VICTORY AT HAND

   The travails of the Arab villagers of Ramya, located next to
the Israeli town of Carmiel, may be coming to an end.  In June
1991, although the Ramya residents hold titles to their land, they
received an eviction order issued by the District Court in Haifa to
make way for Soviet Jewish immigrants.  ADC assisted in a massive
international campaign, conducted in cooperation with the Ramya
Solidarity Committee.

    Although that eviction was put on hold thanks, in part, to
the international campaign, recently the villagers received another
eviction notice.  The Ramya Solidarity Committee contacted ADC
Outreach Director Larry Ekin who helped draft a letter of endorsement
for circulation to various national and local groups, and an
action alert transmitted through the North American Coordinating
Committee network.  The letter received endorsements from peace
groups, solidarity organizations, academic associations, church
representatives, and a number of Jewish organizations played
key roles in soliciting support.

    In late October, the US State Department informed ADC, and
the Ramya Solidarity Committee confirmed, that agreement may be
near.  Israeli Police Minister Shahal intervened to halt the
eviction notice and agreed to mediate a solution.

    Sources close to the Ramya villagers indicated they were
"cautiously optimistic," and expressed their appreciation for
the very strong support that was generated for their cause
from non-governmental organizations around the world.

gdm
From: abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: 'Riba' and Interest (was: Re: Civilization bandwagon)
Summary: Wake up and smell the coffee.
Keywords: Riba, interest, Islam, economics
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:32:43 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <88851@bcsaic.boeing.com> zayan@bcsaic.boeing.com (Ahmed Zayan) writes:
>
>Nabil,
>
>I'm surprised that you did not mention El-Shareif for Twazeef ElAmwal,
>if you haven't heard of them they were the hope and good example for
>many people in miSry to industrialize without handout or begging.
>
>The scandal is the egyptian government was behind the fall of those ventures,
>the egyptian government have no interest, whatsoever, for the success of any
>private industry or investment, needless to say Islamic.
>
>Nabil,
>Give ONE reason that the egyptian government have any interest in the
>success of projects funded by Twazeef ELAmwal. ONE REASON.
>
>The real fiasco, millions of the maSryyn had lost their employment and income
>and became ........... again. If the egyptian  government have any concern
>or vision about the economic and social  aspect of its people they would have
>done whatever necessary  to support and guide those industriliest & businessmen,instead,
>the egyptian government unleaching their puppet media to stereotyping
>and spread lieas and distorts facts.
>
>Nabil, your coptic church knows why the government was behind this scandal.
>
>Ahmed B. Zayan
>
>maSry not egyptian

Dear Mr. Zayan,

Do we have to reinvent the wheel everytime we have one of these discussions?
You found it in your heart to defend those 'Tawzeef El Amwal' thieves just
because they *claimed* to be good muslims?  Do you have some 'inside 
information' on how the government "was behind the fall of those ventures"?

Or is this the standard answer:  If something goes wrong in Egypt, it is
either because of the government, the copts or both.

Tamer Abdelgawad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: lhermi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lotfi Hermi)
Subject: Ibn Khaldun+ Some thoughts
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 05:51:32 GMT

It is strange that some of you out there have a box full of labels which
are ready to be affixed the minute somebody posts something. From funda-
mentalist to Wahhabi to Salafist, to Modern Islamist to I don't know what.
Some even tried to teach us some Islamic Shari'a and the concept of Deen from
an Islamic point of view.  Even, the right to have a certain view of history,
some of you out there denied for us.  Well, Nicholas Jodar, here is the Ibn
Khaldun you inquired about. I am not really interested in your analysis,
it is just that I had some useful files that I wanted my friends out there to 
make use of, and open their eyes, to some of our traditional thought, as you 
might know and as Elie Wiesel said before "No nation lives without a memory."
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		IBN KHALDUN  (Encyclop. of Islam pp 825 - 831)
				(1332-82 a.d.)	

One of the strongest personalities of Arabo-Muslim culture in the period of
its decline.  He is generally regarded as a historian, sociologist and philo-
sopher.  Thus his life and work already formed the subject of innumerable stu-
dies and given rise to the most varied and even contradictory interpretations.

Ibn Khaldun's life may be divided into 3 parts, the first of which (20 y) was
occupied by his childhood and education, the second (23 y) by the continuation
of his studies and by political adventures, and the third (31 y) by his life as
a scholar, teacher and magistrate. The first two periods were spent in the Mus-
lim West and the third was divided between the Maghrib and Egypt.

...

as the result of fusion of the traditional disciplines in which he had been
educated with the rich harvest of political experience which, trough bitter 
series of failures and impasses, has made him aware of the meaning and deep
significance of history ( his work on history : 'Ibar)... The pedestrian 
faqih which he might after all have been had become a historian of genius, and
even the founder of a number of disciplines which were to become some of the
most productive of the modern humanities...
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From: jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879)
Subject: Re: Ear Rings
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:22:23 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

In article <1992Dec11.212004.2815@nmt.edu>, spectre@nmt.edu (Spectre) writes:
> Presumably these customs come from before we (whites) got a hold of
> them, so I just don't see how this can have anything to do with
> slavery.  I've never heard of these tribes enslaving themselves, or
> each other.

Among the woodland tribes of eastern North America, slavery was a common
practice before we whites came upon the scene.  Intertribal warfare
tended to be somewhat ritualized.  You didn't go out to kill and maim
the tribe that had insulted you or invaded your sugarbush, you went out
to take captives, who then became your slaves.

As I understand it, a similar approach to slavery was common in parts of
Africa long before us white devils started buying African slaves for
shipment to the Americas.

Similarly, the taking of slaves from among the defeated was standard
practice in the Greek and Roman empires, as well as in Biblical times.

The posting cited above seems to have a naive view that slavery was some
kind of white invention practiced on blacks only in post-Colombian times.
This is not true.

The big difference between the black-white slavery that we finally put
an end to in America with our Civil War and the earlier form is that
children born to slaves in, for example, the American Indian system,
were not considered to be slaves.  The ancient Hebrew law concerning
slavery is that slavery is not a lifetime thing, but rather, for a term,
with all slaves being released periodically.

Back to the earrings and slavery thread, the association of earrings
with slavery is attributable to one biblical verse, where the commandment
is given that a slave who refuses his freedom is to have his ear pierced
with an awl against your doorpost.  (Please, if you do this, use a
sterile awl and a clean doorpost.)  This particular tradition is clearly
not universal, but rather, specific to the Hebrew culture of the middle
east.

Pierced ears in other societies at other times clearly had other meanings,
or lack of generally accepted meaning, as we have in today's society.

				Doug Jones
				jones@cs.uiowa.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: ahmed@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ahmed El-Habbash)
Subject: Re: Three troubling questions about Islam
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:29:05 GMT

In <20142.2b2d0986@ul.ie> abbasa@ul.ie writes:

>In article <nabeel.723842856@oracle.sce.carleton.ca>, nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul) writes:
>>    Omar chased them off Khaibar when they attacked A. ibn Omar when he was
>> visiting some gardens there. Omar did that in _no_ violation with the
>> Prophets covenant with the Jews when he took over Khaibar.

>It was Imam Ali who conquered Khaibar and Omar had little contribution
>towards that.  Please set the historic record clear in your mind.

>regards,

>Asad.

Fanaticism is very bad, it makes one blind!!
 
Note that chasing them off Khaibar is different than conquering Khaibar.

> 
Ahmed

-- 
Ahmed I. El-Habbash, 
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College,
Dublin 2, Ireland.
Tel: office: +353-1-7021524
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)
Subject: Does the PLO Represent the Palestinian Arabs?
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:02:37 GMT

The PLO claims to represent the Palestinian Arabs.  In that case, how
can it stand silently by while Palestinian Arabs are perpetuating
murderous acts against innocent people, the cold-blooded murder of Mr.
Toledano being only the latest?

If it does indeed represent the Palestinian Arabs, then it has shown
itself unworthy of that position.
-- 
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From: kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: Ear Rings
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:48:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.212004.2815@nmt.edu>, spectre@nmt.edu (Spectre) writes:
|> In article <ednclark.723946141@kraken> ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark) writes:
|> >Surely the origins are slavery.
|> 
|> Now this thing about slavery...I don't buy it.  I'm not an authority
|> (nor even that well informed) about anthropology, but almost all of the
|> pictures I've seen of African, Australian, and even American tribes
|> show body piercing, at least ears.  Presumably these customs come from
|> before we (whites) got a hold of them, so I just don't see how this can
|> have anything to do with slavery.  I've never heard of these tribes
|> enslaving themselves, or each other.
  
 Well, I'm not that much more informed about anthropology, but I will 
say this. From some reading I've been doing about South American tribes,
it seems that many of them have a tradition of piercing as a symbol of
adulthood, mostly among the males. Some also seem to use it in a talismanic
way, to ward off evil spirits.
 
 But in general, I think that most traditions of body piercing arose as 
a symbol of maturity. Even in today's Western culture, piercing is a 
rite of passage, of sorts.
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From: droth@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David Roth)
Subject: Re: Does the PLO Represent the Palestinian Arabs?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:26:29 GMT

In article <1gsd6iINNdgk@mercury.kingston.ac.uk> cs_e411@ceres (Hana Awwad) writes:
>astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:
>: The PLO claims to represent the Palestinian Arabs.  In that case, how
>: can it stand silently by while Palestinian Arabs are perpetuating
>: murderous acts against innocent people, the cold-blooded murder of Mr.
>: Toledano being only the latest?
>: 
>
>In case you are blind and haven't seen what the palestinians use against
>the israelites, they use STONES while the israelites use WEAPONS. And, in
>case you are thick and don't know what the difference between stones and
>weapons then i'll tell you. Weapons can KILL, INJURE SEVERLEY, etc
>where as stones just HURT  and the person would be in pain for a short
>period. NO ONE seem to make a big deal out of it, but when one or two
>israelites are killed it hits the top news. Aren't the palastenians humans?
>Why doesn't it hit the top news when the israelities kidnap a palastenian?
>I tell you why, its because the media is controlled by the jews and the 
>people are brain washed by the jews.!

Grow up!  You've obviously never considered how much damage a rock can
do.  These aren't pebbles we're talking about.  The only difference
between a stone and a gun is that a stone is more likely to bring
unwarranted sympathy.  A stone is a deadly weapon (as are Molotov
cocktails...).  Besides, you aren't trying to tell us that Hamas
is using stones??

I'm not even going to get into your comment about the media.  It's
obvious that you've already been brain washed by someone else.

David
From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: RE: Salah El-Deen's Men are still Around
Date: 15 Dec 1992 22:15:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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spinoza@next06wor.wam.umd.edu writes:

>Israel has quite a bit more flexibility in dealing with this type
>of situation, where their access to the area is unimpeded, and where they
>have quite a few collaborators who are willing to betray their fellow
>activists

  That's why collaborators must go.. Thanks to Hamas and others...

>but I've always felt it is a good policy to take these sorts of statements
>at their face value.........).
    
  Agreed!  Specially the ones from Hamas.

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From: yamin@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Ammar Masalkhi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re :MP's in the Middle East
Date: 16 Dec 1992 04:30:41 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
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Subject: Re: Female MPs in the ARAB world!
Summary: 
Expires: 
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Keywords: 

In article <1992Dec2.155904.1@v2.cgu.mcc.ac.uk> zzaaskk@v2.cgu.mcc.ac.uk writes:
>I did not see the first thread of this, however, Lebanon now have female
>members of parliment. A little known fact IRAN also have female members of 
>parliments. I am not sure about the following but I suspect it strongly, 
>IRAQ and SYRIA. I know that SYRIA have female Minister, for culuture
>Najah Al-Atar. 
>
>Wassalam,
>
>Kamie


-----
>>>In addition to Minister Najah Al-Atar, Syria has a considerable number
of females in thier congress( majless al-sha'eb). 

>>>Ammar Masalkhi








































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From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Subject: Re: Ear Rings
Organization: Carleton University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:58:15 GMT

In <Bz4vot.Hz3@acsu.buffalo.edu> v117pdg8@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (DEMIAN) writes:

" "faggot, homo, gay, queer, etc....", but just turned the other cheek.  I did
" it because I wanted to, because I wanted to be different and it didn't matter
" what other people thought of me.  I thought it was cool and just didn't give a

   Do you think it is OK to do something to be different? Now, everybody is
different, so you are no longer different. I prefer that people be _better,_
_not_ different.

   What is wrong in being like everybody else? Or do we like to be queer but
in different senses? It is possible that someone be so good that they are
different where it counts, not in their accessories where it hints that
someone's original design was inferior that he had to modify it or improve
on it, but it stays that it originally sucked.

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From: ociszam@black.ox.ac.uk (Iftikhar Zaman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Anyone have the address of the makers of Nisus?
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:09:53 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Computing Service, 13 Banbury Rd, Oxford, U
Originator: ociszam@black

Anyone have the address of the people who make Nisus (a word processor
for the Macintosh).  I understand they have now added "arabic capability."

Please e-mail me as this group is hard to keep up with...

Iftikhar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso)
Subject: HAMAS UNDEMOCRATIC
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:32:33 GMT


Two Palestinians Murdered by Terrorists as a "Present" to
Journalist Criticizing Murders in Territories

KOL YISRAEL reports that two Palestinians were murdered in the
Rimel neighborhood of the city of Gaza yesterday by terrorists
belonging to the Hamas organization. Four terrorists drove into the
neighborhood with two handcuffed victims and shot them in front of
passersby. The murder was committed near the house of journalist
Taufic Abu-Husa, who on recent occasions has spoken against the
murders in the Territories. The terrorists knocked on his door and
told his family that the murder of the two victims was done as a
"present" to Husa from the people of the squad.


...jounalists.  lovely.
From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)
Subject: Re: H a m a s
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:04:38 GMT

cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:

>It is only violent if it is against Jews, huh?

Ever notice the disproportionate numbers of Jews in the efforts to end
the "ethnic cleansing" directed against Muslims in Bosnia, including
the efforts of Israel, which seems to care about the lives of Muslims
more than most Muslims do.

>. Islam doesn't accept to have Palestinian and Lebaneese innocent
>  children die from Israeli air raids.

If Islam stopped the terrorist attacks, then the Israelis wouldn't
have to defend themselves.

>. Islam doesn't accept Palestinians to be kicked out of their
>  country.

If you've got a complaint with King Hussein, the ruler of about 3/4 of
Palestine, complain to him.

>. Islam doesn't accept to give up our rights in Jerusalem.

That would sound more reasonable if Islam didn't keep Jews out of
their holy places when they were under Arab control from 1948-1967.
It would also sound more reasonable if the Arab holy places in
Jerusalem weren't under Arab administration even though they're in the
Israeli capital.
>.
>. Islam doesn't accept us to forget about all what the Jews have
>  done to muslims.  People who forget will be forgotten!!

How about what the Muslims have done to the Jews?

If Muslims aren't willing to meet the Jews halfway, all you're going
to get is more hatred and bloodshed.  Israel has extended its hand in
peace to its neighbors from the time it was reestablished over 40
years ago.  It is willing to make further territorial concessions,
even though Arabs already have 75% of Palestine.  It's long past time
for the Arabs to give up their dream of driving Israel into the sea,
and accept that non-Arab, non-Muslim nation as a friend and neighbor,
in peace, for the good of all.

Or would you prefer to destroy the lives of even more men, women and
innocent children, both Arab and Jew?
-- 
Alan H. Stein   -----  AJIN   -----  astein@israel.nysernet.org