From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Subject: Re: RHETORIC VS. REALITY -- THE FIRST DEBATE
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:27:30 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: alt.politics.clinton

In article <29165@life.ai.mit.edu>, 75300.3115@compuserve.com (Clinton for
President) wrote:

>  RHETORIC: "I think it's wrong to demonstrate against your own
>  country. I just find it impossible to understand how an American can
>  demonstrate against his own country"
> 
>  REALITY: President Bush didn't always feel this way. During the
>  Vietnam War he supported people's right to demonstrate against the
>  U.S. [Houston Chronicle, 10/15/69] In his 1991 State of the Union,
>  Bush said, "Democracy brings the undeniable value of thoughtful
>  dissent, and we've heard some dissenting voices here at home...But
>  the fact that all voices have the right to speak out is one of the
>  reasons we've been united in purpose and principle for 200 years."
>  [New York Times, 1/30/91]

This is the kind of BS that really pisses me off. ANYONE who watched last
night, and anyone who watched Larry King last week will remember that he
said he could not understand people who demonstrated against his country IN
A FOREIGN LAND.  Our Clinton Friends here have left out that crucial part
of the line, how clever.  He has repeatedly said he understands fully
demonstrating in YOUR OWN COUNTRY.

Get it right.

>                         CLINTON TAX PACKAGE
> 
>  RHETORIC: George Bush said: "Taxing people over $200,000 will not
>  raise $150 billion."
> 
>  REALITY: This charge is based on the false assumption that the only
>  increase in revenue comes from raising the individual income tax
>  rate. In fact, the Clinton plan raises billions from other sources,
>  including $58 billion from closing corporate tax loopholes. [Putting
>  People First, pp.31- 33]  When this charge was made in a Bush
>  advertisement, the Wall Street Journal said, "The problem is that Mr.
>  Clinton has proposed to cut taxes for the sort of workers featured in
>  the ad." [WSJ, 10/2/92] The Los Angeles Times has said that the Bush
>  campaign has offered a "questionable analyses of Clinton's tax
>  proposals that come dangerously close to misrepresentation, as well
>  as hypothetical assumptions.." [LA Times, 10/2/92]

My question is this: what do you intend to do if you DON'T get the money
you think?  Are you *guaranteeing* that we will NOT see a tax increase on
the middle class?  
 
>                            TAX AND SPEND
> 
>  RHETORIC: George Bush said: "I agree with what he's [Perot] talking
>  about in trying to get this spending down....I disagree with the tax
>  and spend philosophy..."
> 
>  REALITY: On taxes. George "Read My Lips" Bush gave us the second
>  biggest tax increase in American history. He has consistently raised
>  taxes on the middle class.   The conservative Cato Institute called
>  Bush "the largest spender to sit in the White House in the past 30
>  years" and noted that Bush "increased the domestic budget more in
>  four years than Carter and Reagan combined did in 12 years." [Cato
>  Institute, 6/19/92] Bush actually requested more spending than
>  Congress has appropriated. Through 1991, Bush requested 1.1 billion
>  more than Congress appropriated, and Reagan-Bush requested $17.3
>  billion more than Congress appropriated. [House Committee on
>  Appropriations]

I agree.  This is what happens when Republican's start acting like
Democrats.  This will not be any different under Clinton.  He would have
signed that too.
 

> 
>                            DEADBEAT DADS
> 
>  RHETORIC: George Bush said, "Those [single parent] mothers need help
>  and one way to do it is to get these deadbeat fathers to pay their
>  obligations to these mothers."
> 
>  REALITY: In his Midsession Review, George Bush named selected options
>  that would cut $2 billion in child support enforcement funds.
>  [Midsession Budget Review] Ironically, the Republicans have yet to
>  return the $400,00 contribution from Michael Kojima -- who sat with
>  Bush at a May Republican fundraiser -- although he owed $100,000 in
>  child support. [LA Times, 5/8/92; United Press International,
>  10/10/92]

I'm hoping that they do what I suggest: sign that check over to the woman
he owes the money to.
 
> 
>                                AIDS
> 
>  RHETORIC: George Bush said, "We have increased funding for AIDS;
>  we've doubled it."
> 
>  REALITY: Although Bush claims to have allocated $4.3 billion to AIDS
>  research in 1992, he includes Medicare/Medicaid funds being spent for
>  AIDS treatment in this figure. In fact, only $2 billion will be spent
>  on AIDS research -- less than half of Bush's claim. [Bush 8/19/92;
>  Wall Street Journal, April 22, 1992] During this 90-minute debate, it
>  is estimated that 300 people worldwide will be infected with the AIDS
>  virus. [San Francisco Chronicle, 7/21/92]

How many people will die of CANCER?  I have little chance of getting AIDS
since I actually have a choice in the matter by not engaging in stupid
behavior.  However, cancer runs in my family and I stand a GREAT chance of
dying of it.

You don't see me freaking out and blaming the US Government.
 
I hate distorted portrayals when put forth by EITHER side.  Get your facts
straight and pull your head out of the nether-regions.  

--
Rick Eames
athos@apple.com
My opinions are my own, thank you very much!
HERSCHENSOHN for US Senate.  Just say "No" to 6 years of Boxer!
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