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From: lmanter@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Louanne Manter)
Subject: "Missing Person"
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: Ampherion, Lord_Ampherion
Organization: Northeastern University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:36:48 GMT



Hello All, 

I know that this is most likely not the appropriate place BUT I have no
clue where else I can post this, currently.  Any suggestions would be
great.  I am looking for someone who used to play the muds with a
character name of Lord_Ampherion.  He built/played on Pegasus (which was
frequently "torn down" and subsequently resurrected under many different
names....)  and he was a wiz/etc on Magic Muck.  He  was in Colorado.  I
have been away for awhile and have lost touch with him.  If you know
him, tell him Akasha was/is looking for him.  (If you are reading this,
I tried to call you - but the number is no longer valid - and has been
assigned to someone else, so I assume RL "snail" mail is no longer
valid.)  I have just recently returned from "exile" (Europe) and have no
idea what muds/mucks/et cetera are even up - not to mention where to
start looking....  

I can be emailed at:

manter@nueng.coe.northeastern.edu
(nueng can be replaced by meceng, if nueng bounces..)

lmanter@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu
UA_LMM@nuhub.dac.northeastern.edu
ACM_LMM@nuhub.dac.northeastern.edu

Thanks in advance ... and now to make this a more appropriate posting,
where can I get a recent (or at least functional) listing of current
mucks, et cetera....


Akasha
(aka BlackWidow)

Louanne ....

Xref: sparky rec.games.mud.misc:2074 rec.games.mud.lp:5010
From: mta@cs.tut.fi (J{rvinen Markku)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.misc,rec.games.mud.lp
Subject: Re: Client/server protocol for LP prompts
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:12:37
Organization: Tampere Univ. of Technology, Finland.
Distribution: inet
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In-reply-to: anipa@cs.tut.fi's message of 26 Jan 93 14:51:51
Disclaimer: Opinions expressed below are writers own.
Peruutus: Mielipiteet ovat omiani.

anipa> Bat now supports the telnet GA. Most clients (mud.el, pmf, TF) seem to
anipa> have some minor cosmetic problems with the extra character that this
anipa> creates.

Mud.el now handles correctly telnet GA. Actually it has done it almost a day.
And it can be taken from cc.tut.fi:pub/mud/mud.el.shar.

	- mta
From: bombman@diku.dk (Hans-Henrik St{rfeldt)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.misc
Subject: Re: God Conference on Player's Rights
Date: 21 Jan 93 11:21:33 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

C_S01115@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (*C_S2450101) writes:

>In the words of the the Great Bill & Ted " Be Excellent to each other."
At last someone with a straight mind :)
"Party on dudes!"

>-Plucky Duck a' Laorange 

>=)

--HHS
-- 
 ___________________________________________________
|            Bombman the mad bomber                 |
|               Bombman@diku.dk                     |
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From: priss@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Lisa)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.misc
Subject: AnimeMUCK looking for Ninja High School Fans.
Date: 21 Jan 93 05:31:01 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: glia.biostr.washington.edu
Summary: NHS fans wanted for AnimeMUCK.

Any Ninja High School Fans out there?  Any of you have telnet Access?  If you
have both, then I have something to ask you...
 
Have you ever wanted to be Jeremy Feeple?  Or Lendo Rivalsan?  Well, AnimeMUCK
has some NHS players who would like to see a Jeremy or even Rivalsan to show
up and have some fun with them.
 
"STEAM!  The world can be saved by STEAM!"
 
Oh yes, we could also handle having Professor Steamhead and a few other NHS
players as well. :)  We already have Itchy_Koo and Asrial as well as Mimi and
Professor Azland.  All we need is a few more of you. :)
 
If you want to check us out, telnet to:
	anime.tcp.com (128.95.10.106) 2035
 
Just connect as a guest and type 'info registration' on how to get on to
AnimeMUCK.  See ya there!

-- 
+----------------------------------+------------------------------------------+
| priss@glia.biostr.washington.edu |  Live Fast, Die Young, and make hearts   |
| Lisa Richardson                  |  melt as you go away!                    |
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From: ghudson@media.mit.edu (Greg Hudson)
Subject: Re: Client/server protocol for LP prompts
Keywords: client server prompt protocol
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:31:45 GMT

In article <44072@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson) writes:
>a) All the output statements that do not have a carriage return
>   at the end will have to be examined to determine if they
>   are a prompt or not.  Unless your client is willing to accept
>   making an occasional mistake either way.

This has already been answered, but I'm curious what exactly you're
talking about.  Is it difficult at the server end, because the server
isn't always sure what's a prompt?  It's not at all difficult at the
client end.  Telnet will do exactly what it did before, and it's a
trivial modification to existing clients.

>b) Is it important enough to make this change?  Why not just display
>   the partial text, then place the cursor after it?  Then if more
>   text comes in later, display that, move cursor, etc.  If the user
>   had typed text in the meantime, move the text to the new cursor
>   position.  (is that easy in tinyfugue?  I haven't looked at it)

Yes, it is important.  Modern powerful clients are line-based.  If I
want to arrange for my client to display all lines matching certain
characteristics in boldface, or respond to them somehow, then I have
to know what a line is.  If half the lines the client program receives
have an arbitrary prompt tacked onto the front which is not associated
with the line, then your pattern-matching becomes much less robust.

It also allows a more visually appealing display.  If I can separate
the prompt from other lines of text, then I can move the prompt so
that it is always at the bottom of the display.

>c) It's just more characters that end up getting ignored by everyone.

Not so.

>   (and ECHO isn't ignored by all clients.  Most clients can't just
>   simply ignore stuff it doesn't understand, instead they have to
>   filter them out so they don't cause terminals to mess up)

You generally get extra spaces if your client doesn't ignore the
telnet characters, but without the ability to determine what a prompt
is, clients produce rather ugly displays as it is.

I may do a release of Vaportalk shortly that will support IAC GOAHEAD,
so that LP-mud worlds can be line-based worlds.  It wouldn't be a
terribly difficult modification.

--Greg
Using up his Usenet posting allowance for the next three decades

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From: st1vi@rosie.uh.edu (Roberts, Russell R.)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.misc,rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: Can a WIZ threaten you in RL????
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:54 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1993Jan21.084037.1159@microsoft.com>, bethmo@microsoft.com (Beth Moursund) writes...
>IMHO, sending one rude mail message to 20 people is just as worthy of
>being called harrasment as sending 20 rude mail messages to one person.
> 
>  - Annalyn @ various MUSHes
> 

You are assuming that your definition of "rude" applies to those 20 people.

And no, even if it was "rude" by most conventional standards (I don't think it
was, IMHO), it still wouldn't be harrasment.  Each word in the English 
language has a particular meaning, and should not be used out of context.
"Stretching" the meaning of a word to fit the situation is dangerous.




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From: sfwhite@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Stephen White)
Subject: Re: A question or so (was: Re: Can a WIZ threaten you in RL????)
Organization: The Justified Ancients of MuMu
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:34:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.214556.4138@newshost.lanl.gov> jad@beta.lanl.gov
(John De Vries) writes:

> Or was this yet again one of those kind of ad-hoc decisions that we
> all-too-often see in the networking world based on a subjective rather
> than objective value system?

ooh, neat.  care to give us an example of an objective value system?

-- sfw
-- 
Stephen F. White
sfwhite@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca
"I don't even know what reality is." - David Lynch
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From: ghudson@athena.mit.edu (Greg Hudson)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.misc,rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: Here I go again (was: Re: Can a WIZ threaten you in RL????)
Date: 22 Jan 1993 17:29:43 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: lockpick.mit.edu

jad@beta.lanl.gov (John De Vries), <1993Jan21.220941.5618@newshost.lanl.gov>:
JV> Why has this action been judged, and almost universally accepted
JV> as being rude?  Sexist, yes, discriminatory, yes; but was it truly
JV> rude?

Quite a number of people consider almost any kind of automatic,
unwanted communication to be rude, especially when they see the
communication as trivial and uninteresting.

If I may make a digression away from John's article, I think it's
worth noting that just as different people will disagree on what is
rude, different people will disagree on what is offensive.  This is
why most people require a behavior to be "persistent" before they
consider it harassment, except in obvious cases--it's difficult to
justify condemning people for behavior that they did not know was
offensive.  For this reason, I find the assertion implausible that
"persistence can be across space as well as time" in this case; the
person still had no opportunity to find that his behavior was
offensive during his mass-mailing, and so "persistence across space"
is not sufficient.

Finally, the recent article insinuating that perhaps Jeff (Cynbe) is a
"tyrant" is ludicrous.  There are many reasons for not wishing to
consume more bandwidth than is necessary.  I suspect that Mr. Morrill
did not bother to, say, log into Qwest and read news before posting
that article.

--Greg
From: trsnyder@mcs.drexel.edu (Bob Snyder)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.misc
Subject: Re: Can a WIZ threaten you in RL????
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:06:58 GMT
	<SCG.93Jan17234924@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
	<parvin1.727344265@husc.harvard.edu>
	<SCG.93Jan21152725@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
Organization: ASCI

>>>>> "Kelly" == Kelly Martin <scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> writes:

>(It's akin to owing an individual $1.  Yes, you are required by law
>to pay.  No, nothing will happen to you if you don't...)

Kelly> true; the constution holds that you aren't entitled to redress for
Kelly> amounts under $20.

Really?  Must have missed this during my last reading of it.......

Assuming in a US-centric way that you meant the US constitution, of course.

Bob
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From: hawkeye@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Ken Keys - TF Dude)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.misc,rec.games.mud.lp
Subject: LP/Diku prompt protocol (Attn: server writers)
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:28:50 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: glia.biostr.washington.edu
Keywords: prompt protocol lp diku tinyfugue tomato?


TinyFugue 3.0 will support the TELNET GOAHEAD protocol as discussed
on this newsgroup.  This feature has already been written and debugged
(however, I still have other code to work on before releasing tf 3.0).

I'm not familiar with LP and Diku server code, but I would guess that
adding this feature is simple.  For every line transmitted to the
client, if the line does not end in CR LF, you should append IAC GA
("\377\371").  I would guess the best place to add it is some low-level
output routine, shortly before the send() or write().

Motivation:
When a client receives a block of text not terminated by any
end-of-line marker, there is no way for the client to tell if that text
is a prompt or just the end of a packet which will soon be followed
another packet containing the remainder of the line.  TF's current
method of dealing with this causes annoying delays in displaying
prompts, and delays in the net cause many normal lines to be falsely
interpreted as prompts.

The Solution:
The server appends the TELNET protocol sequence IAC GA (Go Ahead) to
lines not otherwise terminated (i.e., prompts).  A client can then
immediately determine how to interpret a block of text:  text ending in
CR LF is a normal line; text ending in IAC GA is a prompt; and
unterminated text is a partial line which can be held pending the
arrival of the rest of the line.

This new feature is totally compatible with existing software.  Old
clients will simply ignore the IAC GA, just as they have always ignored
the IAC WILL ECHO sent by LP and Diku servers at the password prompt.
New versions of clients talking to old servers will have to guess, as
they always have.

The TELNET protocol is described in RFC 854, available at nic.ddn.mil.

-- 
--
Ken Keys, aka Hawkeye
Master of the Fugue
kkeys@ucsd.edu or hawkeye@ucsd.edu
From: jka@math.ufl.edu (Jon K. Akers)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.misc
Subject: Re: NetSex and Muds
Date: 20 Jan 93 02:31:25 GMT
Organization: University of Florida Department of Mathematics

In article <1993Jan19.063446.16451@fuug.fi> an6818@anon.penet.fi writes:

   Does anyone know of any muds that have sexual activity among the players
   as a major part? Just wondering...

Hmmm...here at muddog it seems like a lot of people get into it. I
don't mess with it myself since it seems to be kind of useless to do
so, but other people seem to enjoy it on a regular basis. Personally,
I think the real things is much better. :)
--
  Jon Akers                      "...realize you're living in your     
  jka@math.ufl.edu                golden years..."                      
  URANTIA%oak.decnet@pine.circa.ufl.edu                               
  Try MudDog mud at mud.math.ufl.edu 2000     	  
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.misc,rec.games.mud.tiny
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Rumor has it...
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:40:07 GMT

In article <1k3ofbINNluq@uwm.edu> despair@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Craig Andrew Tollifson) writes:
>Well, you've been heard! First off, let me dispell a common misbelief...
>THIS IS NOT A MUD and it is NOT on the InterNet. Though we do have use
>of a national network free of charge to GMs.
>We are the makers of a new fantasy Text-Based On-Line Multi-Player Role-Playing
>Game. ...

But a text-based on-line multi-player role-playing game is a mud.  What do you
mean, it's not a mud?  What else do you think that that sort of thing is?
--
"Are you going with the fallacious assumption that we all think alike just
because we're superior to just about anyone else?"
	-- Felix Gallo, about the alleged Random Gang

Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.misc
From: scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Kelly Martin)
Subject: Re: Can a WIZ threaten you in RL????
Reply-To: scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Organization: Gender Anarchists United
	<SCG.93Jan17234924@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
	<parvin1.727344265@husc.harvard.edu>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:27:24 GMT

parvin1@husc11.harvard.edu (Douglas Parvin) writes:

>Okay, true... BUT: Question was: Is his threat empty or not? 

>Practically speaking, yes - the federal statute will have absolutely
>no effect on you whatsoever in any conceivable real-world situation.
>However, you might have a problem with your sysop if he gets some
>nasty mail.  So it's completely a personal thing, on a practical
>level.

none the less, his threat is not unlawful (regardless of whether it is
possible for him to back it up).  and we get into reasonable doubt
issues and (lack of) authentication on the internet.

>(It's akin to owing an individual $1.  Yes, you are required by law
>to pay.  No, nothing will happen to you if you don't...)

true; the constution holds that you aren't entitled to redress for
amounts under $20.
--
I would characterize American mass beers as colored Perrier.  (Probably just as
natural, too.)
	-- Jim Eggert (jime@bullwinkle.juliet.ll.mit.edu), soc.culture.american
Xref: sparky rec.games.mud.misc:2041 rec.games.mud.tiny:1486
From: phuag@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr C J Tilbury)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.misc,rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: Can a WIZ threaten you in RL????
Followup-To: rec.games.mud.misc,rec.games.mud.tiny
Date: 22 Jan 1993 13:58:27 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk
Summary: Thats harrassment? Great.

[lots of articles from lots of people, who seem to be very annoyed/confused/
 disgusted/whatever.]

This is starting to get silly. 

Lets review the events :

	ONE thoughtless person sends a letter out to twenty different people, 
whose @sex informs that person that they are female. (Some of whom could quite
easily be blokes pretending.) 

	That mail amounts to a request to do the following :

----

>@emit Suddenly, the cake begins to shake....
Suddenly, the cake begins to shake....
>:jumps up out of the top, and shouts, "Suprise! Happy birthday!"
Patsy jumps up out of the top, and shouts, "Suprise! Happy birthday!"

----

	Wow. Big Deal. One poxy letter to 20 people asking them to do that is
harrasment eh?

	Repeat after me.

	THIS IS NOT REAL. THIS IS A GAME.

	At a time when Women and Girls are being systematically raped in Bosnia
, when Thousands are dying of Starvation in Somalia, and Women generally across
the world are having "A Shit Time(tm)", it kinda makes your 'harassment' look
a bit lame.

	The only person(s) who may of felt genuinely harrassed are the MU*'s
wizzes, because they may of received a whole load of letters complaining about
this one letter. As the wizzes, they can do what they damn well please to
deal with it. If people don't like it, they can leave.

	Remeber the magic word. 

>QUIT
We now return you to your regularly scheduled reality.

*************** D I S C O N N E C T E D **************

% Connection to World closed.

 	
			Pity this doesn't work in the real world eh?


	
				Chris.



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From: test@test.com
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.misc
Subject: test
Date: 28 Jan 93 04:46:22 GMT
Organization: nowhere

hi there...
 
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From: anipa@cs.tut.fi (Niilo Neuvo)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.misc,rec.games.mud.lp
Subject: Re: Client/server protocol for LP prompts
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:51:51
Organization: Tampere U of Technology, Finland
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: kaarne.cs.tut.fi
In-reply-to: guddt@uniwa.uwa.edu.au's message of 26 Jan 1993 17:21:23 +0800

guddt@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (David Bennett) writes:
> Why do you need to know whats a prompt?  The way I handled it with
> whelk was to keep a nice little buffer thingy which had the current
> unterminated characters in it.  These I assumed to be a prompt.

Ever try mudding to a place that has so much netlag that your packets
arrive in intresting bursts. Very often the packets are also split in
the middle of a random description. This means that your system of
guessing the prompt does not work.

> It works for me :)  However, why do it with a sleaze on the telnet
> protocol?

Because many people use telnet, so this works fine for them.

>  Why not define up a client/server protocol for muds that
> includes all sorts of useful things that should have been done ages
> ago :)  Like typeing the packets and so on.

Because many people use telnet and this would not work for them.

Note: People that use telnet use it either a) they have no other
choice b) they have no idea how to compile a program c) they don't
care. So don't start explaining that they just need to get a copy of a
client to play a mud.

Bat now supports the telnet GA. Most clients (mud.el, pmf, TF) seem to
have some minor cosmetic problems with the extra character that this
creates.

++Anipa, frogs are stupid (int 1, on most muds)

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From: jdeutsch@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Jeffrey Deutsch)
Subject: Re: Can a WIZ threaten you in RL????
Followup-To: rec.games.mud.misc
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:16:59 GMT

In article <SCG.93Jan21152725@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu writes:
>	<SCG.93Jan17234924@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
>	<parvin1.727344265@husc.harvard.edu>
>Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:27:24 GMT
>Lines: 23
>
>parvin1@husc11.harvard.edu (Douglas Parvin) writes:
>
>>(It's akin to owing an individual $1.  Yes, you are required by law
>>to pay.  No, nothing will happen to you if you don't...)
>
>true; the constution holds that you aren't entitled to redress for
>amounts under $20.

	Nothing could be further from the truth:
	1) You are entitled to redress *no matter how small the
amount in question*. That's why we have Small Claims Courts in every
state: they take cases involving very small amounts of money that would
not be worth a full trial and all the trimmings, but can be settled
with just a few minutes of a judge's time.
	2) The Constitution says you *do* have the right to a 
*jury trial* in every case where the amount is at least $20. 
It does *not* go so far as to say you *cannot* have one for 
amounts smaller than that - just that you don't have the right
*to* a jury trial in that case.
	3) It doesn't even matter if the loan and promise to pay
back are strictly oral. Oral agreements which are meant to be 
carried out within a year are contracts just as much as if they
were written down. (The "only" problem, of course, is proving     
a) that it existed and b) that the provisions of said agreement
were what you say they were...)

	Of course, as a practical matter, someone may be less
likely to actually pursue a case involving a small amount of money
than for a larger sum, like say $500. But people can - and do -
pursue cases involving the smallest amounts.

	Jeff Deutsch

>--
>I would characterize American mass beers as colored Perrier.  (Probably just as
>natural, too.)
>	-- Jim Eggert (jime@bullwinkle.juliet.ll.mit.edu), soc.culture.american


-- 
Q: How many gun banners does it take to change a light bulb?
A: Let the police do it - private citizens can't be trusted with light
bulbs!
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From: cwilder@eis.calstate.edu (Charlotte Wilder)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.misc,rec.games.mud.admin,rec.games.frp.misc,rec.games.int-fiction
Subject: Re: Rumor has it...
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:08:52 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

Re: THIS IS NOT A MUD

Ahem... FYI, your "mud" is really nothing special... if someone just sat
down seriously and used your run-of-the-mill LPmud v3+ driver and was a
half decent programmer with intuitive skills and a good imagination, it
wouldn't be half-hard to create an LPmud mudlib which has all of the
features, and more, than you listed... Not very impressive for something
that you need to spend $$$ on, especially since SprintNet ain't cheap.
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.misc
From: nrabinow@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Nancy Rabinowitz)
Subject: Re: POPE NEEDS MUD LIST, Film at 11.
Organization: Hamilton College - Clinton, NY
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:35:54 GMT

I'd like a MUD list, too.  The only ones I know the addresses for are
Epic, the Nanny-MUD, and Apacolypse III.

Mike

-- 
Mike Rabinowitz     Internet address--nrabinow@itsmail1.hamilton.edu 
		    CIS Address--70732,2072      GEnie--M.Rabinowit1
		    Delphi Address--Darkknite

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