From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Campground safety (the men v.s. women thing).
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 21:00:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.222208.23119@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
tom@afthree.as.arizona.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) writes:
>In general I am happy for anyones company that has a reasonable attitude
>towards me and towards the outdoors regardless of sex.  Some people are
>a pain to share an elevator with, not to mention go on a hike with.

Argh, tell me about elevators [p.s. one Republican candidate for Senate in
CA uses this vehicle as an issue].

Two weekends ago, one of my workparties was deferred and later cancelled.
Turned out the Chairperson of Huts was up running another party.  There was one
fellow who's name will go unmentioned.  I hopped on this work party because
I had a 4WD and Dick (the Chair) and I are good friends.  Just for the day,
I had to get back and pick cabernet.

At the end of the road, said interesting person (the one fellow) came up to
me and asked what I regarded as a strange request: could he ride back with
me to Sunnyvale?  Sorry, I was just going in for the day.  The gentleman
had a stereotypical kind of urban behavior found in some parts of
San Francisco.  He carried his borrow frame pack upside down (I was waiting
like every one to watch all his stuff fall out).  I normally don't bend
to stereotypes, but later I gave a ride out to a woman (from Apple, we were
running an errand to fix out stoves) who drove up with the fellow.
We got to talking about him.  The carpool had problems with him and
the dinner bill, and later I heard he didn't bring a sleeping bag,
insisted on blankets, then found the hut they were working on as "too dusty."
Certainly intelligent and worldy.

I'm glad I wasn't on that work party trip officially, and it affirmed
my desire to not lead Sierra Club trips.  Ever again.  I'm sure he's not
nearly such a pain in the city, but he seemed very out of place, too urbane.
And remember, he's male.

I'm glad to be a wolverine.

Dick described the the fellow to the follow-on workparty leader (Dave, a
climbing partner) as:
	A problem child.

I had to laugh.

>...."There's no sense in being precise when you don't even
>.... know what you're talking about." 
>                       - John von Neumann  

Great quote.

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"On the contrary," I answered.  "It's because somebody knows
*something* about it that we can't talk about physics.  It's the
things that nobody knows anything about that we *can* discuss.  We
can talk about the weather; we can talk about social problems;
we can talk about psychology; we can talk about international
finance -- gold transfers we *can't* talk about, because those are
understood--so it's the subject that nobody knows anything about
that we can talk about!"

R. P. Feynman