From: cookc@aix.rpi.edu (rocker)
Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:49:58 GMT

varney@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Bruce Varney) writes:

>In <1992Sep25.215003.9493@crd.ge.com> cook@dollar.crd.ge.com (Cathi Cook) writes:

>>But I am still unclear as to why you are making the gigantic leap from
>>this that the woman has consented to carry to term.

>	I never made that leap. I don't need to. Once a woman has consented
>to the possibility of pregnancy, and a child is conceived, that child
>has the same rights that anyone else does. 

Not in the US.

>The most important of these is the right to live. 

Not in the US.

>It is not fair to let a woman take that right away from her unborn child.

"Not fair" to who?

>>|>	No - it is an irresponsible and cowardly acy. Killing a defenseless
>>|>child for convenience's sake is deplorable.

>>Do please tell us Bruce, how inconvenient you found it to be when you
>>were pregnant.

>	Hmm. Tell me about the time you killed your best friend cause
>he slept with your wife. You say that has never happened to you? Ah, so
>then you cannotpossibly have an opinion on the subject right?
>Bullshit. Just because I have not been pregnant before (nor will I be)
>does not mean that I cannot hold an opinion on abortion.

You did not address the substance of what I said.

I have never had prostat cancer.  Therefore, I am in no position to
make the statement that prostate cancer treatment is undertaken
"for convenience's sake".

To whit, it is incredibly arrogant, as well as wrong, for you to
dismiss the very real physical and emotional risks of pregnancy
as merely inconvenient.

>>If you have never been pregnant, please do not insult the intelligence
>>of the women here who _have_ with your high-handed, arrogant dismissal
>>of the very real physical and emotional risks of every pregnancy.

>	It is interesting that everyone is expected to take responsibility
>for the results of their actions EXCEPT women who get pregnant. 

Nonsense.  I fully epxect pregnant women to make a responsible
decision, whether that decision is to carry or to abort.  I am
extremely irritated when I see pregnant women being irresponsible
by simply ignoring the pregnancy until they, whoops!, go into
labor.

>Interesting
>too that the only defense that proaborts can come up with sometimes is
>"Hey you've never been pregnant so you don't know". 

Defense?  Against what?  I am simply saying it is arrogant (as well
as stupid) for you to comment on the rigors of pregnancy, never
having been pregnant yourself.

>	Well, for your information, (and I know this might shock you)
>I am NOT the only person in the world who stands up for the right to
>live. In fact there are even (gasp) women who are opposed to 
>abortion on demand. And furthermore (you may need to sit for this one)
>some of them have even been pregnant before.

<sigh>  Don't bore me with your condescending attitude.  There is
quite a good chance that I know more about the Real World (tm)
than you do.  The personality profiles of women who are actively
pro-choice and pro-"life" are quite well known and studied.  I
can summarize the results of these studies if you'd like some
facts to go with your insinuations.

>	In fact, another article in this thread reported some statistics
>saying that the pro-life position was more widely supported by females
>than males. I am not sure of the validity of those statistics, but I
>AM sure that support for right-to-life is NOT disproportionately male - 
>it is pretty much equal.

What point were you attempting to make here?  It certainly has nothing
whatsoever to do with the point I was making, which you seem to have
quite thoroughly missed.

>			Bruce

                -rocker
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