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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 10:30:00 PDT
From:         alva moore stevenson <ECZ5AMS@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Julie Figueroa Re: Mary Wells

Thanks, Julie for speaking for many of us.  So many of our true musical
greats have passed on without proper recognition of their
contributions.  Maybe ALLMUSIC is a small way of recognizing many of
these greats while they are still alive.

Alva Moore Stevenson
ecz5ams@mvs.oac.ucla.edu
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From:         alva moore stevenson <ECZ5AMS@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: DMetcalf CHANTS

Rap is hardly one ethnic group's form of self-expression when you consider that
people from various ethnic groups (including European-Americans) are also
writing and singing rap.   Groups such as the Beastie Boys, 2nd Bass, Mellow
Man Ace etc. illustrate this fact.

Alva Moore Stevenson
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:09:00 CST
From:         "In a world gone crazy...." <QUINTAINE@TKM.BRANDONU.CA>
Subject: Re: Country music issue is not resolved!
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 > You might be right about dance crazys not lasting forever but the point I was
 > making that the Achy Breaky is a dance like the twist will be part of the
 > history of music and dances of America.

Hmmm...  That's really difficult to say..  Being a line dance, it might
not stay in people's memories as long as something like the twist.  I can
see in 5 years, people hearing Achy Breaky and saying "Hmmm..  I remember
this song.  there used to be some sort of dance to it, but I'll be
damned if I can remember how it all goes.  Too bad I sold my instructional
video in that garage sale a couple of years ago..."

 > This might make a few people sick but Disco was also the dance crazy of the
 > 70's.  Everyone on this group knows that I am a Country Music Fan but also I
 > was and still am a Disco fan of some of the music.  Some of my favorites were
 > the Village People, and Bee Gees.

Well, this may make even MORE people sick, but disco is making quite a
large comeback, although in a subtle way.  It's called dance music.  I love
dance music, it's one of my favorite types of music. <"Dance" being stuff
like Deee-Lite, Madonna, Cathy Dennis & underground stuff>  If you listen really
close, disco beats and the like are quite evident.  However, although I was
only around 7 years old when disco started to go "out", I still enjoy
listening to the old standard "Stayin' Alive" just for a laugh.  It always
puts a smile on my face, and usually gets a good crowd on the dance floor
if it's played..

 > Thats enough about Disco, lets get back to the main topic.  Some of the
 > greatist Country artist were once rock n rollers.  Like Johnny Cash, Conway
 > Twitty and Jerry Lee Lewis.  These people helped start todays kind of Country
 > Music like Billy Rae Cyrus, Travis Trent, Marty Stuart, and others in the
 > music business today.

I really have nothing wrong with that.  I just don't care too much for the
music, that's all... :)

Corey
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:27:04 KST
From:         DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      RAPSNOT
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ZZAJ has historically SUPPORTED rap... the earliest versions of the "Mad
Metcalf Ensemble" tapes have a 20 minute 'white-boy's' rap tune called
Boogie Too - not in the LEAST inclined towards violence, 'less S-E-X =
violence (s'pose, for SOME misguided individuals, it COULD lean that way) -
that COOKS.  Some of those segments were patterened (albeit, subconciously)
on pieces that Gil-Scot Heron had done with a (pre-rap rap) group by the
name of "The Last Poets", I think out of L.A.  I must agree with M. Bloom

(& others) that MUCH of the rap today is inclined towards VIOLENT protest
that offers no SOLUTIONS... how about this?  Is there any chance we can
find a rap outfit out there (black, white, brown or indifferent) that will
expend ALL their energies in preaching NON-violence in an articulate &
entertaining fashion?  Worth asking, anyway, ya' know, take a CHANTS!

ROTCOD ZZAJ
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:11:00 CDT
From:         CV01@SWTEXAS.BITNET
Subject:      Santana

>Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:39:15 -0400
>From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
>Subject:      santana phish
>
>
>Hey, I just found out I'm going to see Santana and Phish tonight! Outside
>in a high school football stadium.

   You unworthy devil!  I hope it rains and you catch cold.  ;*)  (Let us
know how the show is.)

>   Re. Santana:  Read an interview with him where he says he wasn't really
>into recording in the late 70's and early 80's; he would just show up and
>put down his guitar parts.  Says he was just into jamming with people.  But
>that changed about the time of Blues for Salvador (which, btw, has some
>great music), and now he's back into it again.  As far as I know, Santana
>doesn't have a new album, so I'm not sure what Carlos is up to.

   He has a recent release (_Milagro_ -- issued in April? May?).  It was
dedicated to Miles and Bill Graham.  It was basically awful.  Your standard
soft-pop-funk-rock mess that Santana does when he's not inspired.
   (Notwithstanding Gary's quote from the press release about the recording
 -- IMHO, if it's a return to his earlier stuff, it's like taking the worst
from his albums in the mid-70's and putting them all together.)

   I would definitely agree about _Blues For Salvador_ -- it's the only good
recording he's put out in the last 10+ years.


      bye,
      cmv ("chuck")
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:23:25 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: scat sininging

On Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:07:45 CDT Leonard Watkins said:
>is "scat singing" the type of singing that Ella does where there are no
>real words just sounds?

That's basically it. I once heard that Ella originated it back when she was
a featured vocalist with Chick Webb's band in the early '30's -- She apparently
forgot some words of the tune she was singing, and made up her own syllables.
The audience loved it and began to expect it from her from then on.
  This story is no doubt one of those many jazz myths that people like to
perpetuate. In the New Grove Jazz dictionary, the entry of "scat singing" does
not Ella as an innovator at all.
  It traces possible origins of scat back to the West African practice of
vocal imitations of rhythmic patterns with syllables assigned in place of
percussive sounds. Early blues and washboard band recordings feature scat-like
vocalizing (I haven't heard; I'm only referring to this New Grove entry), as
well as some early New Orleans jazz bands.
  Most artistic credit for scat improvisation is given to Louis Armstrong --
you can really hear the trumpet mannerisms come through in his scat singing--
a singer with an instrumentalist's sensibility.
  Here's a list of jazz musicians listed as prominent scat singers. Some of
them are more more well known for their instrumental profiency, but it's fun
to hear them scat sing:

    Eddie Jefferson  Joe "Bebop" Carroll  Babs Gonzales
    Betty Carter     Sarah Vaughan        Dizzy Gillespie
    Cab Calloway     Carmen McRae         Clark Terry
    Anita O'Day      Jon Hendricks

As an afterthought, the article concludes with contemporary artists who take
scat singing to new directions, specifically mentioning the early '70's work
of Al Jarreau before he went pop, and McFerrin, of course. I'm sure there are
others -- the list can name others, I'm sure.

Sinatra's ersatz scatting in the fade of "Strangers in the Night" contributed
to the creation of a Hanna-Barbera Saturday morning cartoon dog. Why wasn't
Frankie credited at the end of the show??
Rick.
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:28:45 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Rory Gallagher
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              "Leonard Watkins" at Jul 23, 92 9:34 am

>
> I know he has some recent stuff out, but i can't recall the name. I
> picked up a new Albert King Live on Charly label (Masterworks) and
> Rory plays on As The Years Go Passing By , it's a very good cd and
> R.G. plays well, but Albert is Albert so R.G. has to take a back
> seat excellent cd.
>

Sounds like a winner-I'm going to look for it. Thanks.  If you hear more on RG
let me know.
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:26:06 PDT
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From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject: Re: crazy thought

 Well, who do you like in country music? Is it just these newcomers like
 Garth Brooks and this Billy Ray clone, or do you go for the old stuff,
 too? Here's some names: Merle Haggard, Ernest Tubb, Patsy Cline, Hank
 Williams (SENIOR, PLEASE!), Bill Monroe, Bob Wills. What do you think
 about them?

 Echoing Leonard's post, here's some other country musicians to consider:
 John Lee Hooker, Johnny Shines, Bukka White, and Charley Patton.
 Patton's entire catalog has just been re-issued on Yazoo Records.

 David

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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:59:27 EDT
From:         AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU
Subject:      Country when Country wasn't cool
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I have been in country music for a long time and I can say that Country Music
is more cooler than Rock n' Roll was in the 60's.  The reason for this is
because of singers like Billy Rae and Travis Trent.

By the way; what ever happen to the guy who said that he singed with Billy Rae
Cyrus?  I want a response on his address.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:50:00 N
From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      the Spent Poets

        Yesterday I walked into the old shop for the monthly monster CD pur-
chase (just got paid some copyright mechanicals so I wanted to party a bit!)
and I picked this weird-covered CD by an unknown (to me) band called the Spent
Poets. I think that John wrote sthg about one of their songs a while ago.
        Well, guys, this is something you should dig for. Admittedly I haven't
heard anything THAT crazy in years.
        The band is American, apparently, but they must have bathed in the
river Thames - at least musically speaking. References/tributes to people as
Syd Barrett, Macca ("Paul is dead - and the Walrus too"), XTC, and the psyche-
delic side of Tears For Fears.
        Straightforward melodies you can often hum after the second pass,
with a small jewel titled "Are You Sleeping, Mr. Brown?" [there is a "with"
in the printed title, but it's a mistake I think], which is more or less a
how the Beatles would have played Dylan's "Ballad Of A Thin Man". Jones...
or Brown? :)
        In the last X years I've read "how would the Beatles play if they were
still together?" [and all alive, say I!] some hundreds of time.
        Now I've got the answer: they'd play like the Spent Poets, which in
turn do NOT play like the Beatles did.
        A magnificent effort - get it and see.

        Ciao, Marco

PS: I'd really love to hear some opinions from those who may have bought this
    record already (it's just arrived in Italy so I guess it should be out
    since 2 - no, 3 - no, 156 months overseas... :) ). woj may be one of them,
    John has it - I know, and The Bloom? Rachel's rushing out to get it just
    now - so speak out!
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:18:45 EDT
From:         AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU
Subject: Re: Country Music
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Jeff

I would like to know how long has it been since you seen Billy Rae Cyrus and
do you know his mailing address and concert schedules?

Eddie Armstrong (aisarmstrong%ist%vmi@ist.vmi.edu)
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:17:10 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Tuck & Patti
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              "AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU" at Jul 28, 92 9:20 am

>
> Who is Tuck & Patti?  I have never heard of them.
>
> Eddie Armstrong (aisarmstrong%ist%vmi@ist.vmi.edu)
>
Vocalist (Patti--absolutely stunning, rich voice) plus guitar
(her husband Tuck)--I guess you'd say it's jazz.  I haven't played this for a
while, so I can't do a good job at this.  She's black, he's white--if that's of
interest--in terms of musical blending of influences.  It's very
distinctive--not quite like anything else I can think of.  Maybe Leonard can do
better at describing them.  I plan to listen tonight to get a better grasp of
my earlier impression.
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:14:42 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: rap
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              Masuda" at Jul 23, 92 9:06 am

precursors of rap: not sure about musical precursors but rap itself comes out
of a long folk tradition of black rhythmic talk : "signifying" - it's kind of
interesting how the talk and the music were separate strands for a long
time, and then when they crossed, you got rap.  At its best rap is really
creative improv; at its worst it's as automatic and overproduced as everything
else spawned by the creeping miasma of the Music Bizzniss.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:48:36 EDT
From:         "Christoper V. DeRobertis" <UICD@MARIST.BITNET>
Subject:      I'm not gone!

Greetings! It is nice to see that Jenna didn't forget me. 8^) No I
haven't left the list. I'm doing the digest thing now. Just can't keep
up with all the mail on a daily basis. My work related mail items
rarely come in digest format! 8^)

As for the Metal debate, it's tempting, BUTt (hehehe) I'm *not* going
to start Metal War, Summer 1992. I started the 1991 war. I'm done with
my wars. While on a music discussion of a non-Metal nature someone once
told me, "Your words cannot change my mind." Over the last year I have
come to believe that, especially when discussing Metal music with both
Metal and non-Metal people/fans. I will GLADLY discuss it with anyone
privately, but over open channels usually leads to the conversation
turning into a flame war. I LOVE Metal music. However, I love many other
forms of music too. Don't be closed minded!!

By the way, however it messing with Jenna (and my pal Tim) better watch
out! They're 'dangerous'. 8^)  Actually, they're harmless, but they force
you to STATE YOUR POINT! Something I always did, but they seemed to miss!
(Hehehehe. Couldn't let that one slide.) Seriously, they're decent network
conversationalists. Helluva a lotta fun!

Joel Kraft did not say "METAL RULES DEATH TO ALL WHO APPOSE!" I've
got the original post somewhere. I think that person has since left the
ALLMUSIC world.

In any case, check out my monthly music newsletter UPDATE. You can
subscribe to it by sending a message or memo to UPNEWS@MARIST.

Take care! -Dero "Metal's Most Progressive Son"
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:06:04 PDT
From:         Mike <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Monkberry Moon Delight

Does anyone know the lyrics to Paul McCartney's
"Monkberry Moon Delight"?
What is Monkberry Moon Delight anyway,
is it the OBVIOUS thing?

 3
M
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: Any listeners of Hendrix or Dolphy?
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:25:12 GMT

In article <ALLMUSIC%92072714131799@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> alva moore stevenson <ECZ5AMS@UCLAMVS.BITNET> writes:
>Are there any listeners of Jimi Hendrix out there?  I've been a fan since
>the age of sixteen and enjoy exchanging information on the man and his work.

Yes, I like Hendrix.  I have Electric Ladyland, and a compilation from
that time.  I also have Nine To The Universe, and some tapes of (is it)
Love Cry and others.  I have the video "A Film About Jimi Hendrix" which
is great.

>Also--are there any listeners of Eric Dolphy?  My father went to school
>with Eric here in Los Angeles in the late 40s so I hear many stories and
>anecdotes about him.  Would be interested, as would my father, in
>exchanging information.  There is an Eric Dolphy interest group here in
>the Los Angeles area but I don't know too much about it.

You might try rec.music.bluenote if you can get the internet Newsgroups.
Lots of Dolphy fans and detracters.

I like Dolphy, have many of his records as a leader (Far Cry, Great
Concert, and Out To Lunch, amoung others) and others were he is in the
Mingus band.  Heavy band.

Jeff
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: The Russians are coming!
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:29:11 GMT

In article <ALLMUSIC%92071720361424@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET (Tim Johnson) writes:
>>BTW, I picked up two CDs by the Russian composer Sofia Gubaidulina.
>>da Inspector
>
>  Hey!  Review those for us!!
>
>  She's on my list of music to get if I ever get any money....
>
>                             -Tim

First of all, when she was on her way up in the Soviet music scene, she
was marked as an unorthodox composer on a "mistaken path", but Dmitri
Shostakovich, as a committee member of her final examination, told her that
he hopes she continues on her "mistaken path".

The first one was Offertorium (1980) and Hommage a TS Eliot (1987),
Offertorium is for Violin and Orchestra, Hommage for Octet and Soprano.
Deutsche Grammophone 427 336-2.

Gubaidulina has elements which remind me of Penderecki and Xenakis, but
her music is written much clearer and cleaner then Penderecki, and she is,
well, I'll say kinder and gentler than Xenakis.  But this is all on
form, the music itself has different sounds.  She is a master at making
the instruments sound like natural sounds, one texture in Offertorium
sounds like a baby splashing water.  There also is tonal and melodic
elements, Offertorium uses  Bach's "royal theme" from the Musical
Offering, as a tribute to both Bach and Webern, her two most influential
musical personalities.  (Webern also did something on that theme)
Again, her music is very well written, and I think that the ideas are
expressed very clearly.  I don't think she has as much as that "Russian
Soul" as Schnittke does, some of the music seems like a specimen, but it
always is a very beautiful specimen.

The other work I have comes from a disk by the Aureole ensemble.  That
is a trio of flute, viola, and harp.  I think the harp is the main
feature of this ensemble.  Also on this disk is works by Harald Genzmer,
Carl Nielsen, and Claude Debussy.  The Debussy is an arrangement of "Six
Epigraphes Antiques", which has Claude in his World Music bag. ;)
I haven't been able to hear the whole disk, but the Gubaidulina piece is
"Garden of Joys and Sorrows", and the title is very descriptive of the
music.  With a harp, you can imagine all of the ethereal and lyrical
music, kind of new age-ee.  All of the works are in this style, but
Gubaidulina is the modern one,  the motifs are fragmented and all that,
but the result is still ethereal and lyrical and new age-ee.
All in all, I think this is a good disk.  I also have a set by Dawn
Upshaw, The Girl With The Orange Lips (hey, "Soupir" from Ravel's 
Trois Poemes De Stephane Mallarme is MINIMALISM), and it is a similar kind 
of thing.  So far, I like the Aureole stuff best.  The Debussy has a
nice Egyptienne thing.

I know the Roofinator likes Nielson, and the works are The Fog Is Lifting, The
Children Are Playing, Faith And Hope Are Playing.  Haven't had a chance
to listen to this yet.  out of town.

Jeff
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From:    alva moore stevenson                 <ECZ5AMS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
Subject: Lack of blacks at B.B.'s and others concerts

I'd like to speak to comments made by both B.B. and Jimi bemoaning the lack
of blacks at their concerts.  I am an African-American woman who grew up in
a home where my father listened to jazz (Coltrane, Dolphy, Parker etc.)
and Broadway show tunes and my mother to mariachi music.  I listened to
the Beatles, Motown and rock.  I have acquired a rather diverse
taste for various types of music.  As a teenager I went through a period
when I preferred music which my black friends were not listening to i.e.
rock and I was soundly called on the carpet for it.  I caught similar
hell from my father.  Unfortunately my experience with blacks, as a black
woman, is that you are expected to listen to "black music."  They just aren't
too tolerant of deviations away from the standard "r & b" or "black
contemporary"  So you can imagine what they thought of my listening to
Hendrix much less other "white" music.  This is borne out by the fact,
documented in an article in the L.A. Times a couple of years ago, that
you won't find music by blacks on "black contemporary" stations that
deviates from this norm.  This includes blues, reggae etc.  I don't
like to generalize but this is just my experience.

Alva Moore Stevenson
ecz5ams.mvs.oac.ucla.edu
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:53:00 CDT
From:         DS_GILKESON@TWU.BITNET
Subject:      Country singin'

Okay, so it's hard to convince ofthers about country music. But, consider this,
going to a Karaoke bar and listen to twelve different peo;ple sing "the Dance"
by Garth Brrooks. That'll dim even a country music lovers feelings about
country!

Lurking, listening, & learning......
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