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From: takeda@kom.comm.waseda.ac.jp (Hidetoshi TAKEDA)
Subject: Q about PS Printer with Apple Talk
Organization:  KOMATSU Laboratory, Elec. and Comm. Eng.,WASEDA University, Japan
Distribution: fj
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:56:15 GMT


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$B$=$3$G!"(BEther $B7PM3$G(B AppleTalk $B$NIU$$$?(B Printer $B$r7R$0$3$H$r(B
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$B$H$J$C$F$$$^$9$,!"(BRyumin-Light-H $B$G$b(B EUC-H $B$G$b(B RKSJ-H $B$G$b0l1~(B
$B0u:~$O$G$-$F$7$^$$$^$9$,!"IaDL$3$&$$$&$b$N$J$N$G$7$g$&$+!)!#(B

$B$5$i$K!"(BNEC $B$N(B PC-PR3000PS/4 $B$O(B PostScript Level 2 $B$H$$$&$3$H$G$9$,!"(B
TeX $B$J$I$N=PNO$K$O0c$$$,$J$$$b$N$J$N$G$7$g$&$+!)!#(B

$B4pK\E*$J;HMQL\E*$O(B TeX(NTT) + dvi2ps $B$d(B idraw $B$J$I$N=PNO$G!"(B
$B8=:_;H$C$F$$$k(B PC-PR3000PS $B$HF1DxEY$NF0:n$,$G$-$k$3$H$rA0Ds$K$7$F$$$^$9!#(B

$B$*4j$$$P$+$j$G62=L$G$9$,!">e5-$N#35!<o$r4^$a$F$&$^$/$$$C$F$$$kNc$d!"(B
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$B%"%I%P%$%9$*4j$$$7$^$9!#(B

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Newsgroups: fj.comp.printers
From: asami@minnie.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Ken'ichi Asami)
Subject: how to output kps
Organization: Kyushu Institute of Technology, Iizuka, JAPAN.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:43:37 GMT
Distribution: fj


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$@NO$5$;$?$$$N$G$9$,!"(JGhostScript $@$r%U%#%k%?$K$7$F4A;z(JPS $@$r%S%C%H%^%C%W(J
$@$KE83+$7$F$+$i!"(JPostScript $@%W%j(J$@%s%?$KAw$k$H$$$&$3$H$O2DG=$G$7$g$&$+!)(J
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$@$^$?!"B>$N$b$C$H$$$$J}K!$,$"$l$P65$($F2<$5$$!#(J
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Apple LaserWriter II NTX(PS$@%W%j(J$@%s%?(J)
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From: yuusuke@rst.fujixerox.co.jp (Yuusuke ISHIDA)
Newsgroups: fj.comp.printers
Subject: Re: Q about PS Printer with Apple Talk
Date: 15 Dec 92 06:41:38 GMT
	<HRY.92Dec14204717@belial.osakac.ac.jp>
Distribution: fj
Organization: Systems & Communications Lab., Fuji Xerox Co.,Ltd., Atsugi, Japan
In-reply-to: hry@belial.osakac.ac.jp's message of 14 Dec 92 11:47:17 GMT

$@$3$s(J$@$K$A$O(J, $@@PEDM42p$G$9(J. 
$@K\6Z$K$O4X78$J$$$N$G$9$,(J, $@$R$H$3$H$@$1(J.

In article <HRY.92Dec14204717@belial.osakac.ac.jp>
hry@belial.osakac.ac.jp (Hisashi MINAMINO) writes:

>> takeda> $@:#$^$G$O!"(JNEC $@$N(J PC-PR3000PS $@$r(J Serial (38400 BPS) $@$G(J 
>> takeda> SparcStation 1 $@$K7R$$$G$$$?$N$G$9$,!"2hA|$J$I$NHf3SE*(J

>> SS1 $@$K$O(J parallel I/F $@$O$J$$$N$G$9$+!)(J
>> AppleTalk $@$H$$$($I!"%7%j%"%k$G$9$7!D(J

SS1(2$@$d(JIPC,IPX$@$J$I$b(J)$@$K(J$@$O(J, $@%W%j%s%?MQ$N(J parallel I/F$@$O(J, $@I8=`$G$O$"$j$^$;$s(J.
(SCSI$@$G@\B3$G$-$k%W%j%s%?$J$iOC$OJL$G$9$,(J.)

NeWSprint$@$@$+(J SPARCprinter$@$@$+$rGc$&$H(J, 
video port$@$H(J bidirectional parallel port$@$r$b$D(J SBus$@%W%j%s%?%+!<(J$@%I$,(J
$@$D$$$F$/$k$h$&$G$9(J.
--
	$@@PEDM42p(J
	(ishida-yuusuke systems&communications-lab. fuji-xerox)
From: hry@belial.osakac.ac.jp (Hisashi MINAMINO)
Newsgroups: fj.comp.printers
Subject: Re: Q about PS Printer with Apple Talk
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:47:17 GMT
Reply-To: hry@belial.osakac.ac.jp
Distribution: fj
Organization: Osaka Electro-Communication Univ., Japan
In-reply-to: takeda@kom.comm.waseda.ac.jp's message of 14 Dec 92 17:56:15 JST

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>>>>> On 14 Dec 92 17:56:15 JST,
 takeda@kom.comm.waseda.ac.jp (Hidetoshi TAKEDA) said:


takeda> $B:#$^$G$O!"(JNEC $B$N(J PC-PR3000PS $B$r(J Serial (38400 BPS) $B$G(J 
takeda> SparcStation 1 $B$K7R$$$G$$$?$N$G$9$,!"2hA|$J$I$NHf3SE*(J

SS1 $B$K$O(J parallel I/F $B$O$J$$$N$G$9$+!)(J
AppleTalk $B$H$$$($I!"%7%j%"%k$G$9$7!D(J


takeda> $B$=$3$G!"(JEther $B7PM3$G(J AppleTalk $B$NIU$$$?(J Printer $B$r7R$0(J
takeda> $B$3$H$r9M$($F$$$k$N$G$9$,!"(JAppleTalk $B$5$(IU$$$F$$$l$P!"(J
takeda> $B$I$s$J(J Printer$B$G$bBg>fIW$J$N$G$7$g$&$+!)(J

$B$J$s$i$+$N(J bridge / router $B$,$$$k$H$*$b$$$^$9(J. eg; EtherPrint,
EtherTalk <-> LocalTalk

takeda> Ether Print$B!J$G$7$?$C$1!)!K(J + cap $B$J$I$G;H$($k$b$N$J$N(J
takeda> $B$G$7$g$&$+!)!"(J

EtherPrint + CAP + LaserWriter2NTX-J + NWS3460 (NEWS-OS 4.1R) 
$B$G$&$4$+$7$F$^$7$?$,!"(J$B$3$N$^$((J NEWS-OS4.2R $B$K(J version up $B$7$F!"(J
AppleTalk $B%5%]!<%H%Q%C%1!<%8$r;H$&$h$&$KJQ99$7$^$7$?!#$&$^$/(J$B$&(J
$B$4$$$F$^$9!#(J


takeda> 	NEC	PC-PR3000PS/4

$B$3$l$,$*4+$a$G$9!#Aa$$$7!"(JRS-232C, LocalTalk, $B%;%s%H%m$N(J I/F 
$B$,$"$j!"GSB>@)8f$7$F$/$l$k$7!"F|K\8l(JPostScript(TM) Level 2 $B$@(J
$B$7(J 400dpi $B$@$7!#(J

CISC NEWS NWS831 $B$N%Q%i%l%k(J(/dev/lp0)$B$K$D$J$$$G;H$C$F$$$^$9!#(J

takeda> $B$5$i$K!"(JNEC $B$N(J PC-PR3000PS/4 $B$O(J PostScript Level 2 $B$H(J
takeda> $B$$$&$3$H$G$9$,!"(JTeX $B$J$I$N=PNO$K$O0c$$$,$J$$$b$N$J$N$G(J
takeda> $B$7$g$&$+!)!#(J

$B$A$c$s$H(J$B$G$F$k$h$&$K$_$($^$9!#(J

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  Hisashi MINAMINO <hry@efreet.osakac.ac.jp>, Asano lab (Comp Geometry),
  Dept of Applied Electronic Eng., Osaka Electro-Communication University
Newsgroups: fj.comp.printers
From: ss@astec.co.jp (Sakashita Shiu)
Subject: Re: Centro & RS232C Multi Buffer
Organization: ASTEC, Inc. Tokyo, Japan
Distribution: fj
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:05:19 GMT

>In article <ISHIDA.92Dec17152349@shake.sharaku.nuac.nagoya-u.ac.jp>
>	 ishida@sharaku.nuac.nagoya-u.ac.jp (Eisuke Ishida) writes:
>   $B@PED!wL>8E20Bg3X$H?=$7$^$9!#(B
>	PC98 ------------------> LaserShot <-------------------- Sun
>		Centro Cable                 RS232C(cross) Cable

PC-98 ------------------------------+
				    | [$B%W%j%s%?%P%C%U%!(B] ==> LaserShot
Sun   ---- Serial Parallel $BJQ494o(B --+

$B$H$9$l$PBg>fIW$G$O!#(B

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TEL 03-5261-5971/FAX 03-5261-5978
From: orum@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Jeff Orum)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:35:41 GMT
Subject: CalTrain Bike Permit Extended
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: ba.transportation

Just got a card in the mail saying my CalTrain bicycle permit that was 
scheduled to expire on December 31 has now been extended indefinitely.
It sounds like CalTrain thinks the experiment was a success.  Does anyone
have anymore details on it?

Jeff Orum
orum@cup.hp.com
From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: ba.transportation
Subject: Re: Socialized parking
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:15:06 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <tj1ufa8@sgi.sgi.com> jeremy@classic.asd.sgi.com (Jeremy Higdon) writes:
>
>One caveat, though.  If your local Safeway wants to provide free
>parking, it should be allowed, just as it should be allowed to
>subsidize transit users.  But city-maintained parking (i.e. all
>curbside parking) should be paid for by parkers somehow.
>

And if it wants to provide some service to white customers at the expense
of those not so lucky, should that also be permitted?  If not, what's the
difference?
-- 
****************************************************************************
Eric House			"My employer doesn't share its opinions with
RAAM in '93?		   	 me, so I can share only mine with you"
Newsgroups: ba.transportation
From: adrian@ntmtv.UUCP (Adrian Brandt)
Subject: Re: CalTrain scheduling musings
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:12:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.075521.25865@ads.com>, henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
|> dosbears!mikel@pyramid.com wrote: 
|> ->It requires 10 trains running constantly to provide 15 minute frequency.
|> 
|> ... and only one train is required to screw up and make everyone
|> miserable for the next two hours.

Yeah, kind of like it only takes one CHP officer to get in a crash to
shut down 101 for 4 or 5 hours during rush hour.  Or maybe it's more
like the tanker truck that tipped over about two months before that.
It shut down 101 for many hours as well.  No, on second thought it
might be more like the crashes that have shut down the San Mateo Bridge.

To make up for all of these accident-cause road shut-downs, the driving
commuters are generally subject to miserable congestion even when
everything is "normal".  Every time circumstances require me to drive
somewhere on the Bay Area's freeways during "rush hour" (it's neither
a rush, nor an hour), I marvel at what the people in cars stuck in
traffic around me must put up with every cotton-pickin' day!  I pity
these poor folks that have no choice but to drive.  I especially pity
the folks, who could use transit but don't even know it, or for one
reason or another, are too afraid to try it.  Such hard-headed courage
and perseverance.

-- 

Adrian Brandt (415) 940-2379
UUCP: ...!ames!ntmtv!adrian
ARPA: ntmtv!adrian@ames.arc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: ba.transportation,rec.railroad
From: adrian@ntmtv.UUCP (Adrian Brandt)
Subject: BART derailment
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:05:55 GMT

A BART train derailed late Thursday evening (about 11:30 pm or so).  I
wonder why this morning's (Friday) San Francisco Chronicle didn't have
a peep about it.  Perhaps they go to press much earlier than I thought.

Anyway, I was listening to KCBS "Newsradio" AM 740 last night when I
heard about it.  A KCBS traffic reporter happened to be riding in
the car behind the one that derailed.  According to him (and what I
remember him saying on the radio reports), the train derailed shortly
after leaving the 12th St. station en route to Lake Merritt.  This,
then, would be the Richmond - Fremont line.  He said that prior to
the ill-fated train's departure, the PA system was announcing that the
train would be leaving from a different platform than usual.  The
reason, he said, was that BART personnel were running some kind of
test or experiment to see whether they could route the train via the
alternate track/platform without impacting the schedule too much.

At any rate, the train left the station and a few hundred yards/feet
into the tunnel there was a horrible noise and he said the train was
slamming into alternate sides of the tunnel.  Now, this is the part
that was hard to believe: he said the third car (he was in the fourth)
"literally split in half".  I'm wondering whether he meant it un-
coupled from the rest of the train, or what.  I've been known to
criticize BART from time to time, but I would be surprised if it was
so flimsily constructed so as to have a car "literally break in half"!

There were only a few minor injuries reported.  (One woman was
reportedly taken from the scene on a stretcher...)

No word on cause yet.  I wouldn't be surprised if it takes quite
some time before they tell--even though it's likely BART officials
already know by now...

Oh well.  I'm sure there'll be more info in the news when I get home
tonight...  Does anyone have any first-hand details?  (Perhaps someone
on the net was riding that train.)

--  

Adrian Brandt (415) 940-2379
UUCP: ...!ames!ntmtv!adrian
ARPA: ntmtv!adrian@ames.arc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: ba.transportation
From: jeremy@classic.asd.sgi.com (Jeremy Higdon)
Subject: Re: Methanol-powered buses
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:34:44 GMT

In article <1gihjlINNql7@agate.berkeley.edu>, forags@smokey (Al Stangenberger) writes:
> >In article <Bz4pKG.BEH@taligent.com>, Rick_Donnelly@taligent.com (Rick Donnelly) writes:
> >>  To the best of my knowledge, none of the Bay Area transit
> >> agencies even have _pilot_ programs in place to replace these diesel-
> >> belching bus engines with engines that burn cleaner fuels, like methanol
> >> or compressed natural gas (or even gasoline!).
> >> Does anyone know why the transit agencies in the Bay Area aren't doing
> >> anything like this??  
> 
> Golden Gate Transit has (or had) a pilot methanol-bus program.  I don't 
> remember the specific numbers, but they found that methanol gave about half
> the miles per gallon as diesel fuel but the price was about double that of
> diesel.  Also, they would have had to modify their fueling practices since
> a methanol-powered bus didn't have enough fuel capacity to run for a full
> day without returning to the yard to refuel.
> 
> Maybe more demand for methanol would cause increased production and lower
> costs.  Also, buses could be fitted with larger fuel tanks or more fueling
> stations could be installed.  Given the current status of budgets, though,
> I can see why GGT isn't pursuing this project very actively.

I'm glad, too.  From what I understand, methanol is an environmental
disaster waiting to happen.  First of all, it's more toxic than
gasoline.  Secondly, it mixes with water, and thus, would be very
difficult to clean up after a spill.  A third problem is that
methanol vehicles can emit formaldehyde if something goes wrong
in the combustion process or fuel system.

jeremy

Xref: sparky ba.transportation:2825 sci.environment:13540 ca.environment:1077
From: forags@smokey (Al Stangenberger)
Newsgroups: ba.transportation,sci.environment,ca.environment
Subject: Re: Natural Gas?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 17:29:56 GMT
Organization: U.C. Forestry & Res. Mgt.
NNTP-Posting-Host: smokey.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec15.021225.242@netcom.com> ladasky@netcom.com (John J. Ladasky II) writes:
>	Second, if I remember correctly, natural gas is composed mostly of
>low-molecular weight hydrocarbons (e.g., propane).

Natural gas is mainly methane.  
Methane requires much stronger tanks to hold it in the compressed state, which
is an obstacle to its wider use as a vehicle fuel.
Propane tanks are relatively light (compared to most other compressed gas
tanks).

-- 
Al Stangenberger                    Dept. of Forestry & Resource Mgt.
forags@violet.berkeley.edu          145 Mulford Hall - Univ. of Calif.
uucp:  ucbvax!ucbviolet!forags      Berkeley, CA  94720
BITNET: FORAGS AT UCBVIOLE          (510) 642-4424  FAX: (510) 643-5438
From: joshua@Veritas.COM (Joshua Levy)
Newsgroups: ba.transportation
Subject: Re: SFO rail transit setback?
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:26:03 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: VERITAS Software

In article <1g8v7gINN8ob@agate.berkeley.edu> lazzaro@boom.CS.Berkeley.EDU (John Lazzaro) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.011211.27915@Veritas.COM> joshua@Veritas.COM (Joshua Levy) writes:
>>
>>Haven't you figured out that socialism doesn't work in real life?
>
>Haven't you figured out that libertarianism is an unworkable strategy
>in the real world?

I never said anything about libertarianism.  Personally, I believe
in regulated capitalism.  

>>Do you want the government to handle the food supply?  
>
>Yes, lets banish the FDA, so buying meat can be an exciting experience
>again, like it was in the old days of corrupt slaughterhouses.

You are mixing up doing something with regulating it.  I'm in favor of
government regulation for health and safety (unlike many libertarians).
Using your example, we have the FDA, but we also have private meat
production.  The result is that we have more safe meat in our diet than
most any other country.  It is a pretty good system, if you ask me.
Car transportation is much the same, and very successful.  The government
regulates car safety, but cars are produced privately.  This is much
different than mass transit, which the government owns and operates,
and which is a massive failure, in terms of actual use.

>Yes, lets get rid of all subsidization of housing, and if its uneconomical for
>landlords to rent at prices the poorest can afford, they can just live on the
>streets. Oops, Reagan-Bush did that one already.

Well, if the governement did not spend billions building transit systems
which are mostly (97%)* unused, then they would tax less.  If they taxed
less, there would be less poor.  Also, it would be easier for people
to build cheaper housing, and easier for people to afford it.

* = by this I mean 97% of the people in the bay area do not use mass transit.

As long as we build houses for poor people, there will always be poor 
people to live there.  But I also know that the more houses we build for 
the poor, the more people will be poor to live in them.  Also, as long as 
there are drug dependant people (esp. alcoholics) there will be homeless 
people.

>>Any if not, why is transportation different from food or housing.
>
>Because you can't build non-trivial transportation structures without
>the power of emininent domain. 

The current car system is about 10% government controled (the roads) but 
about 90% privately controled (cars, car repair, gas, oil, insurance, etc.)  
Why can't other transporation systems do that?

Joshua Levy (joshua@veritas.com)
Newsgroups: ba.transportation,ca.environment,sci.environment
From: tilley@fsh.UUCP (Tom Tilley)
Newsgroups: ba.transportation
Subject: Re: Socialized parking
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:02:27 GMT
Reply-To: tilley@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com
Distribution: ca
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale

In article <tk3npn0@sgi.sgi.com> jeremy@classic.asd.sgi.com (Jeremy Higdon) writes:
>The problem today is that supermarkets are forced to provide free parking.

Huh?

Supermarkets are "forced" to provide free parking by their customers who
will not shop at stores which do not provide free parking.  They have the
legal right to charge for parking: they choose not to.

(I was puzzled by this point since elsewhere you argue that supermarkets
should be allowed to provide free parking, or not, as they wish, which is
the current situation).

Tom.
#--------------------------------------------------#
| Tom Tilley                                       |
| Internet : tilley@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com   |
Newsgroups: ba.transportation
From: adrian@ntmtv.UUCP (Adrian Brandt)
Subject: Re: CalTrain scheduling musings
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:09:52 GMT

In article <liptmtINNgec@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, geo@shilah.Eng.Sun.COM (George Atkins) writes:
|> many of the upgrade cost discussions (especially the Bart vs. Caltrain
|> things) don't take a lot of necessary Caltrain costs into account.

Start listing them.  Let's get the hidden costs (if there are any) into the
open.  The same should be done for BART too.  Often the "true" cost per
mile (or whatever measure you like) for BART is understated because it
fails to include land acquisition costs or other land preparations made
for BART to be built sometime in the future.

Again, please, George (or anyone else), let's put the "necessary CalTrain
costs" out on the table for discussion.  I will be interested to see what
they are and whether they are things I would concur are really needed or
necessary.  Where possible, I will attempt to provide some reasonable
cost information.  I think that way everyone will see, that CalTrain is
still a cheaper way to get good rail transit on the Peninsual (as well
as some other places).


-- 

Adrian Brandt (415) 940-2379
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Newsgroups: ba.transportation,sci.environment,ca.environment
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Natural Gas?
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1992Dec17.001902.13770@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>
	<JMC.92Dec16171509@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
	<ELM.92Dec16182200@terrorism.berkeley.edu>
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:06:39

In article <ELM.92Dec16182200@terrorism.berkeley.edu> elm@cs.berkeley.edu (ethan miller) writes:

   In article <JMC.92Dec16171509@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy) writes:
   =>In contrast to oil, natural gas is in good supply in the U.S.

   As anyone who's eaten burritos or visited their local landfill or
   swamp can tell you, methane is very easy to generate.  All you need is
   bacteria or chemical processes that break down more complex carbon
   compounds into methane.  You can generate methane from organic waste
   -- CH4 is a large component of swamp gas and the smelly stuff from
   landfills (though methane is odorless).

   In other words, we needn't *ever* run out of it, as long as we can use
   generated methane rather than mined methane.

   ethan
   --
   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
   ethan miller--cs grad student   | "Anybody not wearing 2000000 sunblock's
   elm@cs.berkeley.edu             |  gonna have a REALLY bad day.  GET IT?"
   #include <std/disclaimer.h>     |  -- Sarah Connor, _Terminator 2_

Surely, Ethan Miller is kidding us when he signs himself a CS graduate
student.  A real CS graduate student would at least mention the
possibility that there might not be *enough* methane from the sources he
mentions.  If a purely qualitative answer is thought to suffice, he
could convince us just be volunteering his own farts.

He must actually be a graduate student in English.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

Newsgroups: ba.transportation
From: jeremy@classic.asd.sgi.com (Jeremy Higdon)
Subject: Re: CalTrain scheduling musings
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 22:44:12 GMT

In article <1514@dosbears>, mikel@dosbears.UUCP (Mike Lipsie) writes:
> In article <tj0gd9k@sgi.sgi.com> jeremy@classic.asd.sgi.com (Jeremy Higdon) writes:
> 
> >realistic number would service Tamien and allow about 20 minutes at
> >each end.  That would require 16.  Using the standard 20% spares makes
> >19, and then you need to service Gilroy.  So figure on 22 trains
> >(locomotives, really, right?) to provide 15 minute service from
> >Tamien to SF and 45 minute service to Gilroy.
> 
> I think your 16 is a bit high but I like your 45-min Gilroy
> service (except that I would make it hourly).  In any case,
> the numbers are in the same ballpark so there is no real
> argument.

Just to set things straight.  The 16 number was calculated based
on a 1:40 minute travel time and 20 minute layover/turnaround.
Makes for a 4 hour round trip.  Of course, if you could get the
travel time down to 1:35 and layover down to 17.5 minutes, you'd
only need 15.

jeremy