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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:10:03 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Losing My Religion

What is similiar but alot worse IMHO is muscician/performers forgetting
they're muscians and becoming politicians or fighting for a cause.
and forgetting their reason for becoming musicians in the first place
which in most case is wasn't to save the whales, but for love of music
I guess it's whatever sells ?
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 08:39:43 PDT
From:         MikeMasuda <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      MIles

Oops, sorry.  It's Miles...

Anyways, I bought three Miles Davis CDs since last week, and I have to say
I am impressed and happy to have bought them.

"Round About Midnight"--delving into hard bop, the essence of jazz
   from the mid fifties. (1955)

"Kind of Blue"--hard bop slowed down to Miles' optimum tempo.  He was not
   known for his fast playing like his predecessors (Dizzy, Satchmo).
   This is "the" jazz CD you have to own if you want to say, "Yeah,
   I own a jazz CD." (1956)

"Bitches Brew"--I couldn't stomach it at first, but it really grows on you...
   This album heralded the beginning of fusion jazz.  Has the beginnings
   of Weather Report (Zawinul, Shorter are in the group) and Mahavishnu
   Orchestra (MacLaughlin).  Totally different style for Miles. (1969)

I highly recommend these CDs for anyone out there who likes the cool
aspect of jazz from the mid 1950s and the fusion stuff that came out in
the early 1970s.

I didn't know this, but Miles was a heroin addict BEFORE these albums
were made.  He got off of the crap with an inspiration from a certain
boxer named Sugar Ray.  Miles also did some boxing as well.  During his
addiction (Charlie Parker and many others bit the big one from this
stuff), he no longer played towards the audience.  He played with his
back towards the audience.  He used to have an incredible repoire with
the audience.  Anyways, after sweating it out for two weeks, he came back
with a vengeance.  His style was there, but he played with the horn closer
to the mike, and usually with his trademark harmonie (?) trumpet mute, to
produce a breathier, more emotional tone.  It really works.
Quite a bit of emotion from an instrument--something that is lacking
these days where musical emphasis is on beat and not on mood.

Man, listening to Miles wail on that thing, makes me feel like I'm back there,
in the smoke-filled nightclub of yesterdecades.  It was when people in bars
kept quiet and listened to the musicians play--now it's just background music.

Gotta go.  See ya.
Mike Masuda.
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:30:00 EST
From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      re: Losing My Religion

>From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

>> of the artistic decline.  Rather it may be that finding religion *and*
>> the artistic decline are both responses to some traumatic experience;
>> e.g. Patti Smith's fall off-stage and Bob Dylan's motorcycle accident.
>>
>True enough, but when it comes to Dylan, he was crazy/in decline before the
>accident.

Well, Dylan's last album before the accident was _Blonde on Blonde_.
I'll concede that the album before that, _Highway Sixty-one Revisited_,
is better than _Blonde on Blonde_, but I would not label _Blonde on
Blonde_ evidence of a decline.  Now the albums after the accident...

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 07:14:41 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Stravinsky--oops
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Re: my message yesterday on Stravinsky--I actually meant Shostakovich.  Because
my brain is teeming with casts of thousands from ponderous Russian novels,
these things happen.  (I was especially thinking of Shostakovich's symphony
on the seige of Leningrad during WWII.)  Anyway, I think Stravinsky is a more
interesting composer.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:46:00 EST
From:         gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL
Subject: re: sins and sinners
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>Russ:

>I would like to make my own comments about the sins of music.  Everybody sins
>and needs to be forgiven by the grace of God.  But have you ever heard
>ministers talk about how Country Music influences America's young people.  NO!
>There is always talk that rock n' roll & heavy metel is the mail cause of
>tennage acts of succide,murder, and devil worship;not to mention the doing of
>Drugs.

Are we gonna go through this again?

Oh, so country musicians are clean cut, never do drugs, etc.

Give me a break!

What's it matter what a minister says anyway?

Besides, if *any* music caused suicide, it would be country music.



Seeya,
Gary
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:20:15 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: MIles
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              "MikeMasuda" at Jul 22, 92 8:39 am

Other great Miles albums to try if you haven't already: Filles de Killemanjaro
and Walkin'
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:40:59 KST
From:         DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      LISTS
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Does anyone know where to get an FTP of a good list of all lists?

ROTCOD ZZAJ
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:17:33 PDT
From:         MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: News of the Weird
              24 Jul 1992 10:40:20 EDT from <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

that's funny,

I thought Buchla was the first person to create the synth.
Maybe it was the first modular synth.
Never mind...

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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:38:41 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: B.B.
              27 Jul 1992 14:34:50 -0400 from <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>

On this particular night he was in memphis doing the blues club kinda
thang and the audience was not moved and his playing was not inspired
according to the writer. I saw him about a year ago and was not moved
at all, and for exactly the reasons you mentioned, however we all know
he's capable. Of all the King's (freddie,albert.b.b.) B.B. may be my
least favorite but the man has soul and the chops to go with it.
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:50:38 CET
From:         Sebastian Welton <SWELTON@ESOC.BITNET>
Subject:      The new censationship

censor <sen sor> {Latin, from censure, to tax, to appraise}
A Roman officer who registered the property of the citizens, imposed the
taxes, and watched over manners and morals; a public officer appointed to
examine books, plays, etc. before they are published to see that they
contain nothing immoral, seditious, or offensive; a public servant whose
duty it is in war time to see that nothing is published, or passes through
the post, that might give information to the enemy; {Psych.} the superego...

Well I suppose we can stop right there. The row going on at present in
America doesn't really interest me, but indirectly and in time it will,
and for that reason and only that reason alone do I feel qualified to be
able to post about it. Censorship is a word, an action, that people use
to press their views on what is right and wrong on to others. This alone
in itself is an immoral act, therefore making them out be to hypocrites and
bigots. Each person on this earth is an individual, no matter what sex,
colour, creed, race, religious/political persuasion, and as an individual
that person has the right to read, listen, view any matter that they want
to. The person who take away that right is taking away that persons
individuality. One more for the dumb mindless system. But hey, who gives a
damn? We just sit back and watch and say it'll never happen to me. Well,
it will!
No-one, no single person has the god-given right to tell me or you what
to do. Yes by all means follow the law, if you agree with it, but your
own personal aims and ideals should not be corrupted by someone who is
obviously corrupt in their assumption that they are right.
Stand up and make yourself heard.

Seb

ObLpPlayer: Stations Of The Crass - Crass (uncensored version)

swelton@esoc.bitnet European Space Operations Centre, Darmstadt, Germany
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You said that you wanted to put us on a reservation, to build us houses
 and make us medecine lodges. I was born where there no enclosures and
everything drew a free breath. I want to die there and not within walls.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:59:17 EDT
From:         AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU
Subject: re: sins and sinners
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I did not say that Country Music singers were perfect! I only said that they
were not as bad of an influence as rock n' rollers & heavy metel.  There is a
difference.
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:12:54 KST
From:         DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      BLOOMTEST
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GLAD to hear you've got more Curlew comin' my way... I really LIK~uv!YwwT
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:34:00 GMT
From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway

Sonia Kpvitz says:

>re: Peter Gabriel--I wondered who this was, and while my husband and I were
>looking around in Camelot over the weekend I saw one of his CDs and asked
>(since his name has been coming up--I have a lot of blind spots when it comes
>to the names flying by on the net) who he is, my husband replied, "Oh,
>that's the guy that
>whenever you hear him on the radio you ask, What is that trash?"

        I will defend forever that anyone has the right to follow and publicly
state his/her own tastes, in music as in any other field of art and human acti-
vity, and I do pray that I may never fall into the trap of starting to defend
this or that artist.
        Anyway I must admit that calling Gabriel's music "trash" is probably a
bit excessive. I think that the last "official" PG album, i.e. "SO" was a bit
too market-oriented, and he was probably and deliberately looking for big time
(such-cess, as he also said!). But if you go back to earlier albums (the 4th!
the 4th!) you may be able to discover a musician who was one of the most inno-
vative in the 80s. He was one of the first white musicians who openly encompas-
sed black traditional music influences in his work, and then he was followed by
all those of the "ethnic motherlode", Paul Simon and Johnny Clegg leading the
dance (before Blues War XXXVII starts, I mean "black traditional music" as
African, South American, East-Asiatic music - more in general I should say
"3rd world ethnic music", but I am sure you know what I mean).
        He's surely far less immediate than any Chuck Berry or Bo Diddley - but
that in his work the footprints of the genius can be recognised is nearly a
certainty, at least to me.

        Ciao, Marco
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Subject: The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:17:18 GMT
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Does anyone know if there exists movie footage from the
Genesis' "Lamb Lies Down" tour?  I have the Genesis: a History
on videotape, and it shows a little bit of stuff from the concerts.
I would love to see that tour if it was captured on celluloid.

Also, does anyone know if Peter Gabriel plans to tour for his next
album?  And when is his next album supposed to come out?
It's been over a year since his first official release date for it.

Just wondering.

 3
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 10:28:07 -0400
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      roots of rap
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  Dylan may have done some rapping, but it was Woody Guthrie who gave
Bob the inspiration.  Lots of Woody's songs are as much spoken as sung,
much in the way of talking blues.  Remember, Woody's quote about Dylan
was "He can't write a good song, but he sure can sing." !!!!!!

  And, yes, I agree that Gil Scot-Heron should be noted for his lineage
in protest/rap.

Russ
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:44:00 LCL
From:         Kevin Sonney <KEVIN.DAVINCI@MHS.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Cure your wish
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Marco -

I  am  forced to  agree  with you  on  the Cure. (I started out hearing
the Cure through my bedroom wall - and hated it. Then I was dragged to
one of the concert stops back in '89. I fell in love with the music, and
the  stage  show). I  have  been most impressed  with the current
album's  musical content. The  lyrical content is  typical of the
Cure, but instrumentally they've grown.

I've  also been impressed  with the current  tour.  The technical
effects  were  twice  what  they  were  in  '89,  and  they  have
definately  not  lost  the  "live"  touch.  (When  a band  sounds
magnificent  in  the studio,  and  stinks on stage,  it's time to
retire....)

Again, this is  being billed as  their "last" tour ever. Again, I
don't beleive them <g>.

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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:52:19 PST
From:         Doug Barbieri <DBARBIER@UCDCVDLS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The Russians are coming!
              23 Jul 1992 21:29:11 GMT from <ujwb@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU>

Dear Jeff Beer,

I am always interested in learning about modern composers and their music, esp.
 about any NEW works.  I've never heard of Sofia Gubaidulina, nor of any other
of the Russian composers that you mentioned, so if you have any more informa-
tion about them, I'd be happy to hear from you.

Thanks,
Doug Barbieri, CVDLS/MISS
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:54:06 EDT
From:         AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU
Subject: Re: Country Music
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Coleen:

Could you tell me what is a chicken dance?  Is it a dance that was invented in
Lake Edna (or your neck of the words)?

Let me be serious about this.  Country Music is now being wide spread around
the world and some of the songs are making the top of the pop charts.  The way
your comments have been today it seems like you have not listen to country
music in the last 20 to 30 years.  Here's a little advice I will give you.
Listen to a Country Music station for about a week or 3 days to see what you
think.  After the time I mentioned if you still do not like it thats fine.  So
give it a try and you might be suprised.

Eddie Armstrong
Your friend in low places
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:06:17 EDT
From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>
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On Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:15:39 EDT Michael H. Bloom said:
>But I confess that I have a problem with rap. My idea of music is intimitely
>connected to melody, and rap pointedly doesn't have any. I generally don't find
>its rhythms interesting enough to compensate, either. And I find the idea of a
>popular music that tells people it might be worthwhile to shoot me because of
>my skin color a lot more threatening that a popular music that tells people to
>enjoy the pleasures of the flesh. Silly of me, isn't it? I'm checking into the
>Tipper Gore Clinic for Disillusioned Liberals tomorrow...
>
My wife and I were walking through the supermarket parking lot last evening,
and passed four cars in a row that had the same rap radio station on *LOUD*.
(Interestingly enough, the occupants of three of the four cars were *not*
persons of color.)  I said, "I wonder if the Beatles drove our parents as
crazy as rap drives me?",  to which she responded "Probably so."  After
a moment's reflection, I rejoined "But I bet it'll take a damn sight longer
to hear Mantovanni versions of rap songs over the radio in the dentist's
office than it did with the Beatles!"

-Scott "Somewhat Ashamed That I Can't Relate To Rap" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:41:34 EDT
From:         Coleen Gallagher <coleeng@PILOT.NJIN.NET>
Subject:      Re: Before Ice-T...
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Rick,
    I see your point.  I just started listening to Eric Clapton and I have
yet to hear the song; however, I don't believe (I can't be to sure I was born
in '72) the volience was as bad as it is today.  I also believe a good part
it has to dt happend in L.A.
                 Coll
                    coleeng@pilot.njin.net
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:50:00 EST
From:         gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      rap
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>Just thought I'd interject that bit.
>Does anybody remember "Rapper's Delight" from the mid 1970s?
>Who did that?  It was like a thirty minute rap tune using a
>beat from another song from the times--a rock song.
>Anyone?

 That was the Sugarhill Gang. I used to have the words to that song memorized!!
 Let's see, what can I still remember:

...
Do you ever go out to a friends house to eat, and the food just ain't no good
I mean the macaroni soggy the peas all mushed and the chicken tastes like wood
So ya try to play it off like ya think you think can by saying that yer full
But your friend says "Mama he's just bein' polite, he ain't finished uh uhh
  that's bull"...

...now I'm gonna have to dig that record up and listen to it tonight.

Seeya,
Gary
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:09:49 EST
From:         "W. John Weber" <WWEBER@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE:
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Date sent: 30-JUL-1992

>OK, I hate to do this because it annoys the hell out ofme when others do it but
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>                            -Thanx, Jon
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 07:23:02 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Blues Info

recieved a brochure from Blue Note promotions and they have have some nice
delta blues museum stuff like shirts,poster,cups,cheap sunglasses,...etc
proceeds benefit the Blues museum in Clarksdale, some nice SRV and Buddy
Guy stuff also. Call them at 708-362-6836 and ask for a brochure.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 07:59:44 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Country Music
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              "AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU" at Jul 28, 92 6:08 pm

>
>
> Speaking of ELVIS.  His roots was in Country Music before Rock & Roll.  Also
> he was on the Grand Old Opry stage.  So Country Music and its artists are
> apart of todays America.
>
I have a great photo from a blues calendar of a few years ago, taken in the
50s, showing Elvis, Bobby Blue Bland and Junior Parker, dressed in ministerial
duds in a Black church.... That picture says mucho about the history of music
in America....

I really liked David Malbuff's comment about Howlin Wolf, Hank Williams, etc.
--great little line-up in that paragraph.
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:08:34 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: scat sininging
              24 Jul 1992 13:48:54 EDT from <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

the reason i was asking is i was in the company oj a young lady who
said she was a jazz vocalist and she kept mentioning scat singin then
we went to a piano-bar and she sat in and did some Ella type stuff
so i just assumed that was scat she was very good at it
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:49:33 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      re: Dylan
              30 Jul 1992 14:36:03 EDT from <AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU>

Plus, dylan could never achy-breaky nor be something other than himself
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