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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: NASCAR - rumors
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:32:33 GMT

In article <92241.081530BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu> <BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>    OK, I'm tired of all these f1 rumors, time for some REAL
>    racing news. :-)
>    Sterling Marlin is looking to go the Stavola Bros. No confirmation
>    but supposedly he still has a contract with JJ.
>    Hut Stricklin to replace him.
>    Dick Trickle might jump then to Bobby Allison.

Gee, I'd be surprised that the Stavolas would replace Dick Trickle
with Sterling.  I think they're all pretty much happy campers right
now.  I did find out the other night that Snickers is a for sure
3 year deal with Stavolas, and are reportedly happy with Trickle.
But shit happens.

Don't you suppose that Stricklin might go to JJ and Sterling would
go with Allison?  Or would Elliott be better oof
(oof??) off having NO teammate?  I get the impression he's happier
not having a teammate.  Getting crazy, maybe ole' JJ should get back
in the driver's seat :-)

Heard yesterday that Bobby Hamilton's team has hired on Donnie Allison
as a consultant, whatever that means.

I'll put even money on the fact that an announcement will soon come
that Tommy Kendall has, in fact, signed with Petty for next year.
Plan to see a lot of Ronald McDonald at the race tracks next year.
Should make for a great ad campaign.  Kid's meals featuring a die-cast
of the #43 Pontiac.

-c'ball-

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From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: F1: No Williams for Senna in 93
Originator: kevinh@mira
Reply-To: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 12:51:07 GMT


In article <5243@sersun1.essex.ac.uk>, aghao@sersun2.essex.ac.uk (Aghanya O A) writes:
|> 
|> He then went on to say, "I could stay with McLaren, but as I beleive that 
|> Williams will again have the most competitive car next season, I woud say that
|> it is most likely that ****I would stay at home next season****".
|> 
|> MY OPINION:
|> 
|> I have extremely mixed feelings about this announcement for all sorts of
|> reasons.  I deplore it, because one of the best drivers ever is probably going
|> to be lost to us for at least a season, and that IS a true loss.

Agreed.


|>  I also feel
|> sorry for the guy, because he has been shabbily treated, and as I have a great
|> deal of respect for him, I somehow would rather it was someone else rather than
|> him.

Come on Obi, what this guy's saying is that if he doesn't have the best equipment
( and each season there's usually only one set of best equipment) then he's not
competing - that's just spoiled brat attitude!! 

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
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From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Herbert confirmed Lotus 1993
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 22:10:46 +0000

Forwarded from mark2@cix.compulink.co.uk

.....Mean while here's a piece of good news:

"     SPA-FRANCORCHAMPS, Belgium, Aug 28, Reuter - Lotus confirmed on 
Friday they had re-signed British driver Johnny Herbert to lead their 
Formula One team in the 1993 world championship.
     In a statement issued at the Belgian Grand Prix, Lotus managing
director Peter Collins said: ``We have seen full confirmation of our
belief in Johnny's talent in his performances this season.
     ``He brings a rare combination of raw ability, speed, technical
feedback and infectious humour to the team and we place a very high
value on his presence.
     ``We had an option on his services for the forthcoming season
and we are delighted to exercise it.''
     Herbert, 28, has driven in 26 Grands Prix and his best finish to 
date was in his first race, the Brazilian Grand Prix of 1989, when he 
was fourth.
  REUTER TRC GG 281318 GMT aug 92 <"
From: johnl@amiganet.chi.il.us (John Liskey)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: I'm back! & Road America Indycar
Date: 29 Aug 92 15:15:41 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

Hey everyone! I finally paid my dues to my local system.. to those of you I 
was emailing up to a couple months ago, please drop me a line again as I've
lost a few of your addresses..

Anyways, I too attended the Road America Indycar race..WHAT A WEEKEnD!

I spent the majority of my weekend in the Dale Coyne Racing paddocks..thanks to
a lovely Mrs. Coyne who invited me as her guest into their trailer area on
Saturday and Sunday.. Eric Bachelart and the team had a rough weekend, between
pop off valve problems, clutch problems, and a couple dollar alternator cable
which came undone during the race, causing a fire on board the car (ESPN missed
that too). Despite ESPN's  claim that Ross  Bentley wasnt starting the race due
to 'gearbox problems', it was never intended for Ross to start the race.. he
was just taking a few laps in preparation for this weekend race in Vancouver...
Ross told me things were looking "extremely well" for a full season next year,
with Coyne.

Other notes:

 - Ross Cheever looked none too happy after exiting the race, apparently having
made contact with big brother in turn 1.

 - Jeff Andretti showed up in a wheelchair in the Foyt pits on Saturday..

 - I agree with Kevin C, the tv coverage was terrible.. 
 - This would be an excellant site for an F1 race if not for a few bugs.. one
of which is not that its not in a major city..Chicago,Milwaukee,Sheboygan,Fon
Du Lac, Oshkosh, and Mantiwac are all within reasonable driving time. As
someone mentioned, lack of nearby hotels is the big problem.. I booked my hotel
7 months before the race and ended up an hour away in Oshkosh..


Finally, I wonder if anyone was left at the track to watch the 3 hour endurance
race besides Kevin C, as the place was pretty deserted when I left an hour or
so after the Indycar race..

Glad to be back,

John Liskey
johnl@amiganet.chi.il.us
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From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Re: rec.autos.sport
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:48:43 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

t9014143@phillip.edu.au writes:
>Reading last year's Belgian race report(by John Berton) I came across the term
>
>		T-car 
>
>which was linked to Senna. 
>
>Apparently it caused some controversy.
>Can anybody(are you out there John) give me the low down on the details of this
>car.
>	 Spec. difference, setup, whatever, enlighten me.


A "T" (for test) car is a fancy name for a spare car. Normally a team will bring
one car for each of the two drivers, plus one spare car.  If a driver "has use
of the T-car", then the setup of the T-car will always echo the setup of that
driver's primary car, and the other driver will not be able to use the spare car
should he bend his primary car - in effect one driver has a choice of two cars,
but the other driver is stuck with just the one. Occasionally you will see a
driver elect to start in the T-car; normally this is because the primary car was
misbehaving during the the morning pre-race warmup.

Things are very similar at Indianapolis, except there the T-car can be visibly
differentiated from the primary car by a little letter "T" after the number.
(the appearance of an F1 T-car is identical to that of the primary car).
Car identification is more important at Indianapolis because there it is the car
that qualifies for the race, not the driver.

This year at the IndyCar race at New Hampshire Danny Sullivan spent a lot of
time testing his backup car, which bore the number "18x" rather than "18".
-- 
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From: lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu (Luis Miguel Silveira)
Subject: Re: Rahal/Johansson/Mario/Tracy
Reply-To: lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu
Organization: Research Laboratory of Electronics, Massachusetts Institute of
	Technology
	<1992Sep1.020854.16623@cunews.carleton.ca>
	<1992Sep1.224149.13060@sdf.lonestar.org> <183381@pyramid.pyramid.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:55:08 GMT



   In article <183381@pyramid.pyramid.com>
   danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones) writes:

   If Rahal had just been pissed off and complained about Johansson crashing
   into him and costing him 20 points, I don't think you would have seen the
   reaction here that you have.  But Rahal said, Hey, I am the points leader
   so if your not challenging for points, you shouldn't race me.  So I guess
   that leaves about 3 or 4 drivers that Rahal thinks would have the right to
   race against him.  This is the problem I had with Rahal's statement and I
   think this is what the others had a problem with too.

I have to agree with Dan here.  If Rahal had said he was pissed
because Johansson had no chance of actually making a clear pass at
that point, I would have to agree he had the right to that opinion.

The fact that he thinks that only a few drivers have the right to even
challenge him just because they are in the points hunt is ludicrous...
Johansson had a lot to gain by getting around Rahal.  Rahal had a lot
to lose by going off the track.  You figure out what each one should
have done to gain the most (or lose the least).

I think Rahal should have let Johansson through and then follow him.
Maybe Johansson would have made a mistake or would have been passed in
the pits (Rahal's crew being an excellent one at that).

-Miguel


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From: met@naucse.cse.nau.edu (Millam Tackitt)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Rahal/Johansson/Mario/Tracy
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:42:21 GMT
Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ

In article <183381@pyramid.pyramid.com> danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones) writes:
>M. Smiley writes:
>
>>>>I find it very funny that when people defend Johansson they say that
                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                               ??????????????????

>>>>he was "just being aggessive" when IMHO he clearly screwed up. I mean
>>>>where in the hell was he going to put the car? But when Mario hits
>>

>>Finally someone with the proper perspective. Anyone notice how no one else
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                       ??????????????????????
>
How many of you critics have ever been in Indy car competition, from what
I've read here you are all just arm chair Indycar racers. When you are in
the cockpit of one of these rockets in competition and never make a mistake
or mis-judgement then you will have some room to criticize these people.
Till then you should just SHUT-UP!!!

Millam E. Tackitt
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Proposal: rec.autos.formula1
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:21:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.173521.708@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt) writes:
>I resent the use of the word "isolationist" (how much racing has Europe
>imported from the U.S.?), but this does raise an interesting topic.
>Obviously, the things that have been successful in Europe are very
>different from what has been successful in the U.S.  How did things
>evolve this way?  Why, for instance, is there so much oval track racing
>in the U.S. and Australia, but almost none (as far as I know) in
>Europe or Asia?  A possible topic for another thread...
>-- 
On this note, I just read a little article on how American Football
(thru the WFL) is now gaining in popularity in Yurrup and how the fans
are starting to come over from soccer to football.  Likewise, there's
serious talk by some in Yurrup to build Uhmerican-style ovals over
there in the next couple of years.  Folks within FISA are becoming
aware of all this and are showing some concern.

-c'ball-

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From: marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Subject: Re: World or national series?  (was: Proposal: rec.autos.formula1)
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:54:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.003039.24885@uwm.edu>, naze@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
(Daniel J Naze) writes:

|> Penske cars are designed and built in Poole, Dorset, England, in Penskes
|> own factory.  The cars are designed by Nigel Bennett.
|> Galmer Engineering is based in Bicester, Oxon, England, and designed by
|> Alan Mertons.

In addition, Lolas are designed and built in GB, as were the March chassis
which were very popular at least in the early 80ies.  As far as I know,
Cosworth and Ilmor are English companies, that is, their engines are
-- to the best of my knowledge -- also designed and built in GB.  (Of
course, they are sponsored by US companies, namely Ford and GM.)  Alfas
are Italian and and Porsches German, leaving essentially only the Buick.

From this, I do not conclude that Indy Car / CART is an international
racing series, however.  (Certainly "less national" than F1, although
one can certainly argue that the ratio of European vs non-European F1
GPs should be closer to 1 than it is now.)

I cannot help to conclude that, for some reason, there do not seem to
be US companies which are able to design and build chassis which are
competitive with British-English companies at the level of F1 or
IndyCar/CART racing.  The same appears to be true of engines.
Sorry.  (Btw:  Flames to /dev/null.)

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From: aefron@cornerstone.com (Andy Efron)
Subject: Budget Race Car
Reply-To: aefron@cornerstone.com (Andy Efron)
Organization: Cornerstone Research, Cambridge, Mass.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:05:17 GMT

Any suggestions for a good road car that I could buy and prepare for racing 
(autocross, solo) for less than $10k?  Datsun 810 (or is it 510?  I don't 
remember...) and Honda CRX Si have been suggested to me, and Miata would be 
great but the initial investment is too high.  Please list the major pros and 
cons of your suggestions.

Thanks,

Andy
From: MJackson.Wbst147@xerox.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Lola BMS Scuderia Italia (was Re: Road
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:39:21 GMT
Reply-To: MJackson.Wbst147@xerox.com

Received: by yngvi.wbst147 (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA16190; Mon, 31 Aug 92 10:40:08
EDT
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY

In article 19530@minster.york.ac.uk, pete@minster.york.ac.uk writes:

> (side issue- if Scuderia Italia are _entrants_ rather than _constructors_,
> then why haven't they had the same problems with Constructor's Championship
> points which Larrousse and Lola had in 1990?)

Same reason Larrousse and Lola didn't have problems all those other years.
Although F1 bars customer cars, it is perfectly legal for the entrant and the
constructor to be different - as long as the constructor supplies no more than
one team.  In 1990 Gerard Larrousse had planned on constructing his own car,
and filed papers with FISA to that effect.  Things happened, and he actually
ran Lolas that year.  At the end of the season (when else?) FISA called him on
the discrepancy.

Mark <MJackson.Wbst147@Xerox.COM>
    TV dinner by the pool; I'm so glad I finished school!
				- Frank Zappa
From: nicos@csa.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1: No Williams for Senna in 93
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:02:44 GMT
Reply-To: nicos@cs.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen) wrote:
>[...] I tend
>to the view that running on pump petrol will bring the teams closer than
>tyre changes.
>

The teams ARE running on pump fuel NOW (since Hungary) and they didn't
really come closer, did they?




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From: jsnow@moons.sim.es.com (John Snow)
Subject: Guiness book of F1 & F1 Trivia
Keywords: F1
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:55:42 GMT

I just found a book in the library called the "Guiness Book of Formula
One". It was fairly recent, up to date through the end of the 1988
season. Good pictures and good information, although it had a
decidedly British slant to it.

I found one goof in the book. The author was talking about the Indy
500 and its relationship with F1. He said that the nickname of the
Speedway was the "brickwall"! Maybe after this year's race, that's a
more appropriate nickname!

For the trivia question: the book said that one year a single country
hosted three rounds of the championship. What was the year and the
country and what were the sites?

P.S: After the "brickwall" thing, I take no responsibility for the
accuracy of this trivia question!

--John

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From: dilmore@cray.com (Robert J. Dilmore)
Subject: Re: DENTS IN CAR HOOD
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 28 Aug 92 06:47:01 CDT

In article <9341.74.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us> erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim)  writes:
>-> One rather STUPID one decided it would be cool to jump
>-> up on my hood and fool around.  Well needless to say he
>-> left a rather noticeable dent right in the center.
>->
>-> My question is how easy is it to repair dents in a HOOD and
>-> second how much should I expect the STUPID one to pay for
>-> this damage.
>
>  Dents usually shouldn't be banged out yourself, you can make them
>worse.  For a decent job, it can cost anywhere from $100-$200 to get a
>single dent taken out of your hood.  The cost is so much because once
>the dent is banged out, the entire hood has to be repainted again
>because the paint may be cracked where the dent was.
>
>
>  Erich Lim
>    Internet add:  erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us
>                                                                
   This is simply, NOT TRUE,all the time. Several autobody repair places
have opened up offering "paintless dent removal". I have called several
of these places up and they are VERY cagey about thier processes. To quickly
tell whether your car is a canadate for this type of process answer this 
question, Is the paint cracked or damaged? If the paint is not damaged
there is no reason to go and have a hole drilled into your dent so they
can pop it out. A couple of names I have heard for these shops are, Dent Dr's
and Dentmaster in the DC metro area. Some of them even will come out to
your parking lot/home.

Robert


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From: rbanksjr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Richard E. Banks Jr.)
Subject: What is trail braking?
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 16:16:15 GMT


Could someone please describe what trail braking is and how to do it?
I didn't see it in the Auto FAQ.

Thanks.
Richard Earl Jr.
From: jern@visual1.jhuapl.edu (Bob Jernigan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Mountain driving and brake failure
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:42:54 GMT
Reply-To: jern@visual1.jhuapl.edu (Bob Jernigan)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

Happened to me recently.  Fortunately most, maybe all, modern cars have a dual brake system.  I was just south of Jerome AZ on Mingus Mtn when the brake light went on in my rented Camry.  Panic city!  I quickly determined that I still had brakes and that it wasn't a fluid problem.  When I got the car back to Phoenix the rental company was reluctant to give me another car.  They said the car still stopped so why do I need another.  In the end they offered me a Grand Prix which I was reluctant to take having




 given up on American cars when Studebaker went out of business, i.e., started to make the Lark.  The Grand Prix was a pleasant surprise.  It handled much better than the Camry on both open road (if you know the roads in AZ, you can drive 90+ with no harassment) and in the mountains.  Is Detroit starting to make good cars?  I'm not planning a purchase in the near future, but if I were...   American???

bob jernigan
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From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 03:00:18 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Aug30.181406.4622@access.digex.com> jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking) writes:
>
>As a motorcyclist, I should add:  Don't get NEAR the back of a sportbike.
>We can outstop just about anything.  (JUST ABOUT...  Don't start arguing.)

If you do, it won't be _your_ lawyer suing the car driver.


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From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: On the metric system...
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:54:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <972@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM> jhart@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Jim Hart) writes:
>>The funny thing is that in Europe we measure fuel consumption in
>>liters/100km.
>>The way to convert mpg to lt/100km (and vice-verse) is to DIVIDE the constant
>>235.239 by the value you have, to get the other one:
>>
>>So for the US newsreaders, have fun if (when) the US changes to metric...
>
>I've often wondered...
>Since the metric system is based on 10 and switching from the English
>(American) system would take some getting used to, what a hassle it
>would be if the metric change-over included **time**!
>Just think, time, as we know it, is based on 60 - 60 minutes to the
>hour, 60 seconds/minute -- and 24 hours/day, 12 months/year.  Now, if
>an "hour" was 100 minutes (or whatever) and a minute was 100 or 10
>whatevers, that would make a day, logically 10 "hours" long and a
>year 10 "months".  For a true metric system we must consider this!!
>Egads.

Ever watch the Sci-Fi tv series with Lorne Greene called "Battlestar Galactica"?
Their time measurement was decimal based with "centaurs" and "centons"   
representing something analogous to hours and minutes .....

Neal Howard
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