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From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: ACLU/AJC Menorah Police?
Date: 24 Dec 92 15:55:38 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller)

In article <1992Dec24.144532.1583@starbase.trincoll.edu>, nmiller@starbase (norman miller) writes:
>A public festival that never was (in golus)

Can you guess why?  The public tended to be violently against it.

>					     and which loses in dignity
>from being such an obvious retort to Christmas.

Hanakkuh loses nothing in dignity by occurring near Christmas.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 01:49:47 GMT

waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker) writes:
> > >cohen@quartz.ciw.edu (Ronald Cohen) writes:

> > >What constitutes a Conservative Jew?
> > I guess someone who doesn't accept fundamentalism.
> >
> > >Is it that he/she does not
> > >accept that the Torah was given by G-d to Moshe at Sinai?
> -----
> I haven't been following this thread.  Has anybody answered this question
> yet?

Yes, everyone.  Unfortunately, no two answers are alike. :-)

-Don Gertler
From: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM (Janice Gelb)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Entertaining suggestions for responses
Date: 21 Dec 1992 19:22:47 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin

In article 12164@kesson.ed.ac.uk, iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski) writes:
# In article <livh54INN1u9@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM#  janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
##  I send generic holiday cards to my non-Jewish friends who celebrate Xmas;
# 
# How about non-Jews who don't?  By the way, what is a generic holiday card?
# I am very fond of cards saying just `Season's Greetings' or nothing at all,
# but those are rare.
# 

That's what I meant: "Season's greetings and happy new year" or the like

# 
##  I have no problem acknowledging that they're celebrating their
##  holiday, just as I think it's thoughtful when they wish me Happy New
##  Year at Rosh Hashana or Happy Holiday at Passover.
# 
# The only problem is that saying `Merry Christmas' is very likely to
# provoke the automatic response `Merry Christmas to you too', so I've
# stopped using it.  Instead, I say `Have a good holiday' or something
# to that effect, or, if someone says `Merry Christmas' to me, I reply
# by saying `and a Happy New Year'.
# 

Sorry - I meant acknowledging it by sending a holiday card; not by
saying "Merry Christmas" to all and sundry.

##  Trying to find a card that is a) not explicitly religious and b) doesn't
##  feature snow (since I live in California) is often challenging, though!
# 
# It is possible to find one such card, or any number of such cards sold
# separately, in Edinburgh.  But if you don't want the season to ruin
# you, you have to buy cards by the box, and any box of 30-40 cards
# contains about four non-religious ones, about four highly Christian
# ones, and the rest are mildly religious in that they say something
# about Christmas (though not about God's love, blessing and stuff), to
# which I usually add a few words about the New Year and my name.
# 

Here in the U.S. you can get boxed sets of 20 or 30 cards all of which 
say the same thing -- and there are usually several "generic" holiday 
cards to choose from.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: norm@helix.nih.gov (Norman Friedman)
Subject: Re:  Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <norm@helix.nih.gov (Norman Friedman)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 02:26:01 GMT

and Eichmann was an "engineer"  (May he rot in hell)
From: godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Jews for Germans
Date: 3 Jan 93 21:45:01 GMT
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)


I am disappointed that no-one has responded to my enthusiastic appeal
for members of "Jews for Germans", as organisation of Jews who, like me,
think that Germans are the most inspiring and wonderful people on earth.

regards Laurence
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Say it ain't so
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 22:56:23 GMT

In article <BzKDyq.Cr9@world.std.com> srm@world.std.com (Stevens R Miller) writes:

>Since you concluded that Nelson's jury was biased/racist/stupid
>because they acquitted him, 

Not because they acquitted him, but because they ignored the
considerable evidence against him.  The minority jury threw out
testimony and evidence from several divisions of the NYPD, testimony
from the EMS crews at the scene and the ID by the victim himself.
Yup, they were racist/biased/stupid, perhaps even all three.  And this
kind of ridiculous acquittal won't have been the first one.

>I used to believe you merely preferred "guilty until proven innocent"

Have I ever said anything like that?

>to our law of "innocent until proven guilty."  Now I see you really
>just prefer "guilty" (or is that, "guilty if Jake says so?").

I have been calling for a Just Law, not merely preservation of the 
status quo, which clearly is sorely in need of reform.  I am not 
personally the sole arbiter of guilt or innocence.  

You, on the other hand, have refused to recognize any failing in Your
Holy System, and have defended it's vagaries and inadequacies as
Unchangable.  Do YOU have any proposals for improvement or are you
quite happy to let so many murderers run through the streets?  All
you've been able to come up with so far is "Rosenbaum's murderer
hasn't been properly convicted and is free to murder again until
properly convicted".  Those of us who have not yet been murdered find
your approach inadequate.  Those of us who are friends and relatives
of victims of violent crime find your approach disgusting.

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: Haftorah Reading May 21, 1994
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:44:53 GMT

ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:

> Another nice custom I have seen is a bar/bat mitzvah ceremony at
> age 83.  Since we are allotted 70 years, each year thereafter is
> like a new life, and so at 83 we are, G-d willing, ready for a
> second B. Mitzvah.

I have seen (perhaps in the Mishnah Brurah, I'll have to double check)
that one occasion for a se`udat mitzvah is a person's 70th birthday.
I have never heard of anyone actually having one (the meal, not the
birthday).  Has anyone else?  Did you attend it?

I'm curious, because I want to be ready for mine.

Thanks,

-Don Gertler
From: avi@eagle.imagen.com (avi zelmanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: (Jewish) Kabbalistic Meditation ?
Date: 22 Dec 92 01:07:57 GMT
Reply-To: avi@eagle.imagen.com (avi zelmanov)
Organization: none


Over the past 5-10 years, I've seen references and mentions of Jewish
Kabbalistic Meditation. I never studied the "Zohar" or other texts
thoroughly, and most of what I know about "Kabbalah" is indirectly 
through Chassidut, but I don't recall ANY meditation per se
(unless you consider "Tefila Bedvekut" a meditation ...)

Meditation, as used in the secular or religious (but NON-Jewish) form,
is basically a repetition of a special ("Holy") word, used as a means to 
go beyond the normal state of consciousness.

On a (very) superficial level, the "concept" might look foreign to
Judaism, but often "Practical" Kabbalah employs "unconventional techniques"
(Kmeyot, for one) that would look just as foreign, so I decided to ask.

1) Is there a Kabblistic Meditation ?
2) Is it ANYTHING like what's described above ? (recitation of a word either
   verbal or mental). I wouldn't think "Shem Hameforash" would be a candidate,
   (because of "Lo Tissa") but again I've heard angel names usage mentioned ...
3) If the answer to #2 is NO, what is the technique(s) employed ?
4) What kabbalistic texts are used as SOURCES for this "meditation" ?
5) Is it a technique taught to anybody (any jew) or a secret ? Are there     
   pre-requesites such as certain age? certain expertise in "Shas and Poskim" ?
   etc. 
6) Who teaches that ? Is there a Rabbi/Yeshiva (in the U.S. , Israel, or even
   elsewhere) that can better answer these questions ?
7) Are there any text books on this subject, that one can direct me to ?
   (English or Hebrew)


Any additional info would be welcomed. 
Since I don't always have continous access to this newgroup, 
I'd appreciated it, if replies could be emailed to me at avi@imagen.com

I'll try to look here as well, for replies.


Chanukka Same'ach (Happy Chanukka)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: American Jews and Lubavitch
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 13:26:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.171712.5102@starbase.trincoll.edu>
nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller) writes:

>That, as I see it, is the logic behind the whole thing.  I
>know that many Lubavitchers _appear_ to be uncouth loutish
>stumble-bums who just can't help getting us all into a mess
>from their ill-advised antics.  Not so: there are some very
>cool heads among them and they know what they're about.

Did anyone else read this and think that had a nonJew said this it would
have sounded somewhere between paranoia and outright antisemitism?
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein)
Subject: words to hatikvah (possible dupe)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 08:02:09 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

(system had crash, so if this is a dupe, please forgive...)

In regards to the words for "Ha-Tikvah", it's of interest to notie that
there have been changes.

Current verse:
(hebrew):
Od lo av-dah tik-vateinu
ha-tikvah, shenat alpium

(english translation)
We still have not given up on our hope,
the hope that has lasted for two thousand years.

Original:
(hebrew)
Od lo av-dah tik-vateinu
LOSHUV LE-ERETZ AVOTEINU

(english)
We still have not given up on our hope,
TO RETURN TO THE LAND OF OUR ANCESTORS.

which, by the way, brings to mind that another
name for Ha-Tikvah way back when was "Lo-Shuv",
as in, "return"

Afrid I don't know when this change took place, but
it seems logical it was at the time of independence.
(But don't hold me to that... <grin>)

dannyb@panix.com

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: an3570@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Yeshivat HaRav Meir Kahane
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.jewish
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 23:34:00 GMT

Is Yeshivat HaRav Meir Kahane any good?
Should I go to this Yeshivah and obtain smikha there?
How does it compare to other yeshivot?
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Date: Thursday, 31 December 1992 16:37:33 MST
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.15R
From: "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com>
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
Subject: tpm comes to scj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Distribution: world

I've had replies on my "why bother with tpm" message which said, in
effect, that one jerk insists on posting here so we have to reply.
Fair enough.  But could all of you people-of-good-will who know
better at least set the mideast-politics messages to

Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast

Please?

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From: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Solomon Perel
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 17:44:22 +0100
Organization: "The Private Site of Manfredo Tichauer"

levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine) writes:

> I recently saw the very good movie, "Europa, Europa." This movie
> is based on the wartime experiences of Solomon Perel, a young German
> Jew who pretended to be German and a member of the Hitler Youth.
> 
> My question is: His experiences, while they made a great movie,
> seemed too implausible to be true. Were they verified?

Salomon Perel came this year to Germany and gave many  interviews on TV.
He also met with some of his old "HJ (Hitler Youth) friends" and when they
were asked, they corroborated that they never new nor thought that he was
a Jew. I haven't seen the film and I don't intend to do it. 


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: afrydman@granpa.enet.dec.com (Avi Frydman)
Subject: How Do You Spell (C)Han(n)uk(k)a(h) in English?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:09:57 GMT


In article <1992Dec30.104104.5962@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, drukier@cast0.ast.cam.ac.uk (Gordon Drukier) writes...
>In article <cF4kwB4w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu 
(Todd J. Dicker) writes:
  Anyone for a side-thread to see how many variant spellings we
>can come up with? Let's see...
> 
>Chanucah
>Chanukah
>Hannukah
>Chanuka
> 

Hanukka
Hanukah
Chanukah
Hanukah


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jacobw@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jacob Solomon Weinstein)
Subject: Re: ACLU/AJC Menorah Police?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 03:54:09 GMT

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes (in reference to the
ACLU):
>
>	If they wanted to fight for a secular society that permitted
>religious expression that would be one thing.  After all, my tax
>dollars were used to buy public property and I would like to be able
>to use it (although I do not think the state should pay for the
>menorah - I should be allowed to use my own).  However, it would seem
>that they are fighting for a secular society without any religion at
>all.  If you prefer that, I suggest you contemplate the consequences.

One problem that seems to often pop up in debates about Church and State
is that people confuse the government with society. I think that the
government ought to be utterly free of religion. I also think that
religion contributes tremendously to society. Just because you view
something as a good thing doesn't mean that you think it ought to be
federally subsidized. I don't claim to have any unusual insight
into the Divine, but I find it difficult to imagine a Supreme Being that
depends on the succor of the United States government.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: God's Hyphen (Re: Mezuzah question)
Keywords: Even if they *do* say Jehovah!
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:29:47 GMT
Organization: People's Front of Judea

In article <1992Dec28.202352.29882@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dkhaikin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dmitry Khaikin) writes:
>... However, one should still try to avoid writing the Name as it
>is. I personally don't understand what is the big deal for everybody to
>write A-d-o... and G-d? It is not that much work and at the same time it
>shows respect. I do agree that one could argue that it is not really
>breaking anything, but do we have to get as close as we can to the edge
>after which it is breaking something? 

Well, as you may or may not recall, this thread started when you
flamed someone for doing a perfectly reasonable and
(halachically) acceptable thing, namely spelling out "Adonai"
when telling someone how to say a brachah.

Perhaps we should worry about getting close to the edge of derekh
eretz... showing respect for God shouldn't interfere with showing
respect for other humans.

What strikes me as odd is that nobody's changed the "Keywords"
line since I started this thread... another point for
soc.culture.jewish.python.monty.quotes, I guess.
-- 
Andrew Solovay    
                "I know that, in America and under capitalism,
                 I am the freest woman in history."
                                --- Camille Paglia
From: rubinoff@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Robert Rubinoff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:49:37 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <9212181831.AA10223@cyclone.sbi.com> <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)> writes:
>I don't know if Bnei Yisrael are ever called a religion in TaNaKh.

It seems unlikely, given that there is no word in Biblical Hebrew for
"religion".  "Dat", the current Hebrew word for religion, is a borrowing from
Persian, in which it means edict or decree.  It is used that way in the book
of Esther.  I don't know if it occurs with the meaning "religion" anywhere in
Ketuvim, but I'm sure it doesn't in the Torah or the Nevi'im.

   Robert
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: deportation
From: Yaakov Kayman <YZKCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 30 Dec 1992 12:24:30 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <4768@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>,
aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) says:
>
>In article <1992Dec27.011409.23888@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
>makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>>
>> (public back-and-forth, which wastes much bandwidth, deleted)

Ms. Aldoubosh: If you wish, I'll be happy to discuss this issue
               with you offline.

Yaakov K. (M.?)
--------
Yaakov Kayman      (212) 903-3666       City University of New York

BITNET:   YZKCU@CUNYVM        "Lucky is the shepherd, and lucky his flock
Internet: YZKCU@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU     about whom the wolves complain"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Holiday wishes for us
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 07:46:47 GMT

In <1992Dec16.172850.24570@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Robert A. Levene) writes:

>  " I refuse to call Xmas a 'secular holiday' until they
>    move it permanently to the third Thursday in December. "

When I was at YU and the academic calendar said "Thursday schedule" on
a Monday, I used to wonder if this applied to the shir shel yom.
-- 
/|/-\/-\          "If there really was a Jewish conspiracy to run the
 |__/__/_/        world, my rabbi would have let me in on it by now.
 |warren@         I contribute enough to the shule."
/ nysernet.org 			    Saul Goodman
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Secular??? (was: ACLU/AJC Menorah Police?)
Date: 25 Dec 92 09:28:46 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <israel.725102377@unixg.ubc.ca> israel@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert B. Israel) writes:
>
>The school in question is in Kamloops, BC, which has practically no
>Jewish population.  The non-Christian half of the class would, I
>presume, be Sikh, Muslim, Buddhist, etc.  Probably not a single Jew
>among them.  So they stick in a reference to Hannukah and call
>themselves multicultural.

There are sikhs and Muslims in the same room?  :-)

About the reference to Hannukah, I remember back in grade school
when we were taught to sing songs about Hannukah ... you can't
expect grade school kids to be multicultural but the educational
system tries to emphasize recognition for other ethnic backgrounds,
however weak, other than Christian.  I wonder how long it will be
until Muslim ones will be introduced or appreciated ...

Anisa
	"The best kind - angry, rebellious, critical - a renegade ..."
From: sutin@ra.UCSC.EDU (Brian Sutin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jewish Charities
Keywords: disgusting
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:06:59 GMT
Organization: Lick Observatory UCSC
NNTP-Posting-Host: ra.ucsc.edu

In article <1992Dec29.182040.5493@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld) writes:
>[...]
>Does anyone have a list of *discredited* alleged Jewish charities?  If so,
>it would seem very important, as to even override the usual worries of lashon 
>hara, that the list be publicized - i.e., posted.  It would be nice to help
>prevent people from throwing away money that they'd otherwise give to a 
>legitimate charity.

My grandfather, the infamous Judge Lewis Sutin, used to send a check along
with a letter which would state (for instance) that his neice would be in
Israel this summer and would look up this poor orphan girl to make sure that
she received his money.  Most of these "charities" invariably never cashed
his check.  Be forewarned.

Brian Sutin				sutin@lick.ucsc.edu
Lick Observatory, UCSC			Santa Cruz, CA 95064
    Fred:   "May I rescue you?"
    Ginger: "No, thank you.  I prefer being in distress."
From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Mezuza question
Date: 29 Dec 92 08:34:28 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <1992Dec28.183156.9334@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>
seth@inst-sun1.tmc.edu (Seth Chazanoff) writes:

>Dima
>
>       Re: How and where to put up a Mezuza.
>
>       Thank-you for answering the Mezuza question.  My wife and I have also
>bought a new home and I was going to ask in a couple of weeks (after escrow
>closes).  I have another question though.  What are the rules for removing a
>Mezuza when you sell a house?  Can the old Mezuza be moved to the new house?
>                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                       Thanks
>                         Seth

If the old house is sold to a non Jew, so  removing the mezuza is a
MUST. ( you can of course use them in your new house).
In case you sell your house to a Jew then if in your area it is
understood that the mezuza(s) are part of the properties sold, then
you can not remove them unless you get the buyer permission.

No special rules for removing a mezuza, just remove it.

 Shalom   Gideon Ehrlich

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Dr Isaac Balbin)
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Organization: Collaborative Information Technology Research Institute
Date: 31 Dec 92 11:49:54 GMT

aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:

>Back to the subject matter, the point initially was that there are
>respectable people belonging to the Hamas.  What you consider
>(understandably so from an Israeli point of view), to be a terrorist
>organization is a fundamentally religious organization who will not be
>bought or sold by anyone.  

Don't use Religion to hide the bloodied knife of those who have
no respect for others.

These are the same blood curdlers who scream for Salman Rushdie's life
without regard for other countries laws.

Scream religion all you like. 

It gives you NO respectibility.