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From: gjoslin@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Returning fumbles in college
Keywords: Bad handoff is not a muff
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:57:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.80937
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article bdlaugh@athena.mit.edu (Corn) writes:
>In article kevin@daffy.ee.lbl.gov (Kevin Gong) writes:
>|> 
>|> Can someone explain to me the college rule about returning fumbles?  I was
>|> under the impression that you couldn't return fumbles in college.  Or is it
>|> just fumbles behind the line of scrimmage, or what?
>|> 
>|> Thanks,
>|> 
>|>   kevin
>|> 
>
>I believe the rule is that any fumble can be returned, but a "muff" cannot be.  A
>muff is when the ball carrier never establishes possession of the ball (bad snap,
>dropped handoff or pitchout, etc.), from what I understand.

	A botched handoff is not a muff but a fumble that can be recovered
	and advanced by the defense. 

	A pitchout and a snap are both considered passes. The determination
	applied to them is whether they are forward or backward.

	A muffed backwards pass that is recovered by the defense can not
	be advanced.

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From: landay+@CS.CMU.EDU (James A Landay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Pac Ten Review (9/26/92)
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:15:02 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

In article <1992Sep28.174654.20198@u.washington.edu>, crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
|> crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
|> >
|> >Next Week's games:  (Send your Pac Ten Pundit's Picks by Thursday!!!)
|> >
|> >Oregon State @ California
|> >California has a bye.
|> 
|> OK, so I have dyslexia, just like Russell White.  Besides, OSU is almost
|> just like a bye.
|> 

Nice try Cliff!!!! You can't woof for us like that!!! This will NOT
pass with the gods... Cal has had a long history of struggling with OSU.
We look forward to a hard fought game... Plus, we don't do well against
QBs that actually RUN!! (witness the almost loss at KU or UK or whatever :)


James A. Landay
landay@cs.cmu.edu
President, Cal Woofing Patrol
Pittsburgh Division
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:45:33 EDT
From: <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: PSU/MIAMI - what a game!

#2 Miami Hurricanes (5-0) at #5 (#7 - AP) Penn State Nittany Lions!!!!!!
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22 straight wins - well, isn't it about time for this streak to come to an
end???????  Penn State joined the Big 10 and ally Michigan will be very happy
to see a Penn State victory to propel the Wolves to No. 2 and set up their
showdown with Washington - the winner getting more than roses!!!!!........
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Penn State at 12-0 and finishing at No. 2?  You better appreciate it, Michigan!
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         PENN STATE 20, MIAMI 16.......thanks Joepa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                      -THE NITTANY LION!!!!!
                                                 (roaming on campus since 1855)
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From: boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay))
Subject: Re: Roger's Top 25--5 Oct 92
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 15:06:54 GMT

In article <5OCT199218530020@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:
>68 SMU (3-2)		0.8
>69 New Mexico St (3-2)	0.8
>
>After surprising 3-0 starts, these teams are now in a race to the bottom of 
>the pack.  Either could easily lose out the rest of the season, and it 
>could come down to a question of weakness of schedule.

SMU didn't start 3-0. They lost their first game, at home, to Tulane. They
missed a short field goal at the very end. They then won 3 in a row before
having their Cotton Bowl and National Championship hopes nipped by Baylor
this weekend.

Jay


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From: rhouston@glacier.sim.es.com (Richard Houstan)
Subject: Re: Hawaii ranking
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
	<RHOUSTON.92Sep30132536@peoa.glacier.sim.es.com>
	<1ad8noINN2d9@haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:27:17 GMT

In article <1ad8noINN2d9@haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu> ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai) writes:

   >Yea, right BYU is 1 and 3 and they still had to give to game away for Hawaii to win.
   >It says something about the quality of the New York Times algorithm.
   Although your point about Hawaii not being #7 and BYU not being a good team 
   (at least for the present) is something I agree with, BYU's 1-3 record is
   somewhat misleading.  Those three losses were all by less than 7 points, with
   BYU having at least a chance to win each game.  San Diego St and UCLA are (or
   were) ranked, and Hawaii is a good team, even if they aren't #7.

You're right of course. Heck BYU may be the best 1-3 team in the country. I can't can't
miss a chance to get a jab in at Hawaii.


						Richard
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jbc4m@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (John B. Carr)
Subject: Re: Virginia WINS
Reply-To: jbc4m@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (John B. Carr)
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:55:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.080748.11529@wam.umd.edu>, mary@wam.umd.edu (Mary
Louise Cassidy) writes:
|> Please face the fact that UVA is a joke.  Hell..has any other team
gone
|> from number 1 to OFF THE POLLS?!?!?!?!  Boy....they sure do play
|> some good [padded up wussy schedules] teams!!
|> 

	You mean like ... Maryland, for example :)
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From: ellingrw@infonode.ingr.com (Bob Ellington)
Subject: Div II rankings?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:51:04 GMT


Could someone please post or email the current Div II rankings.

Thanks
Bob E.
From: maryb@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Jayhawk Posting #17
Date: 26 Sep 92 04:25:56 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

From the Friday, September 25, 1992 issue of the University Daily Kansan.

ORANGE TOSS BOTHERS FANS, COACH MASON
by Tiffany Lasha Hurt, Kansan staff writer

   Sunkist met the Jayhawks last night.
   As the Kansas Jayhawks took the field at last night's Kansas-California
football game, KU fans threw dozens of oranges onto the field, symbolizing
their desire for a Jayhawk trip to the Orange Bowl. After a Kansas touch-
down in the second quarter, more oranges hit the field.
   Lt. John Mullens of the KU police estimated about 100 oranges landed
everywhere from the center of the field to the edge of the track near the
goal posts. No citations or arrests were made.
   J.H., Lawrence senior, said fans could have found a more suitable way to
show their desire for the Jayhawks to go to the Orange Bowl. "It kind of
loses the enthusiasm of the team," she said. "It upsets the team, and it
upsets the officials. It's just not that classy to throw oranges, but I
like the fan's support of the team."
   Kansas coach Glen Mason said the orange throwing bothered him. "There's
no place for it," he said. "Someone could get seriously injured. My little
manager got hit. It brought tears to his eyes."
   KU police officers also kept busy patrolling for alcohol consumption,
looking out for medical emergencies and directing traffic. Mullens said no
arrests or citations were made for alcohol or beer consumption, but police
made about 35 contacts with individuals consuming alcohol.
   Medical personnel were not active either. Julie Strickland, a registered
nurse with Douglas County Paramedics, said minor injuries were treated. "A
couple of band members had sprained ankles from previous injuries, but
they're fine," she said. "They went back up into the stands. We've had no
fights. everything's been peaceful."
   In traffic before the game the situation was less peaceful. Officer
Burdel Welsh, of the KU police, was taken to Lawrence Memorial Hospital for
x-rays after a vehicle rolled over his foot while he was directing traffic.
No bones were broken.
   Mullens said no other traffic incidents occurred.

Posted to r.s.f.c. by "Kansas Mary"
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From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Subject: Re: Washington 17 USC 12+ ?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 05:55:48 GMT

exuwry@exu.ericsson.se writes:
>Hi all,
>
>After watching Stanford beat Notre Dame Saturday I tuned in the
>remaining of the USC/Washington game.  I really didn't care who
>won, though I usually like to see the top ranked teams get beat,
>but my attention was captured by the late drive of Southern Cal.
>
>On the Washington interception in the endzone that killed the
>Trojans, I noticed that the Washington player never put his knee
>down in the endzone to cause a touchback.  He intercepted the pass
>and ran off the field out of the endzone with his teammates. 
>
>At the time, I thought I missed something because none of the announcers,
>coaches, or players responded.  I caught SportsCenter to catch the
>video and it shows what I thought I saw.... The Washington player never touching
>his knee to the turf!  The ESPN replay cut it off when the player was
>about 2 yards from the sideline, but I don't think there could have
>been anyway that his knee touched.
>
>Help me, did the Pac 10 officials (and everybody else) miss an
>easy call ?  Please respond if anyone else saw this.

Bailey ran out of the endzone on the side and just tossed the ball to an
official.  You don't have to touch your knee down...running out the side of the endzone is also sufficient to end the play.  By the way, unlike the way your
title suggests, it is virtually impossible to score a safety on an
interception.  In order for this to happen, the defensive player must
voluntarily run into the endzone after catching the ball.  If a defensive
player catches it in the endzone and never makes it out, it is a touchback.
If the defensive player catches it at the one yard line and his momentum
carries him in, the ball will be placed at the one yard line unless he
returns it out further than that.  The only way a ball intercepted in the
endzone could lead to a safety is if the defensive player tried to run it out,
then changed his mind and went back into the end zone and downed the ball.

>/Bill

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Subject: Re: Pac Ten Review (9/26/92)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:46:54 GMT

crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>
>Next Week's games:  (Send your Pac Ten Pundit's Picks by Thursday!!!)
>
>Oregon State @ California
>California has a bye.

OK, so I have dyslexia, just like Russell White.  Besides, OSU is almost
just like a bye.

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From: rszczerb@tolkien.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Subject: Re: FSU-Miami-ND
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:25:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.222111.14432@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> lavelle@aardvark.lerc.nasa.gov () writes:
>
>Notre Dame fans complaining about media bias??? You must be kdding.
>

Well ... the AP polls treated the ND-Mich game as a tie for
Michigan and a loss for the Irish ... I don't think that's too
fair.  But, judging from the recent net posts, there seems to
be a lot of anit-ND sentiment out there.

	- rob


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: bnoble+@cs.cmu.edu (Brian Noble)
Subject: Re: Sorry, Gophers!
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:28:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.183504.19906@colorado.edu> manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:
>
>sour grapes... couldn't get into CU, eh?
>
>Njan

This isn't the same Colorado known as "The University of California,
Boulder", because of all the brain-damaged Californians that couldn't
even get admitted to a respectable Cal State that attend, is it?

Didn't think so.

And what does this have to do with football, anyway?  Other than
California tends to export lots of good cheerleader material to CU.
They sure weren't ever at Berkeley.

Brian

(Then of course, I'm only 1-1 on Stanford admissions, so take that
with a grain of salt.)
From: tshannon@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Timothy J. Shannon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: The Rotten Rooster, 20 worst
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:03:45 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA


	The following is a list of the worst 20 college football teams
as seen in Penthouse's Oct. issue.

	1. Minnesota
	2. South Carolina
	3. Cal-State at Fullerton
	4. Temple
	5. Colorado State
	6. Northwetern
	7. Oregon State
	8. Kent State
	9. Southern Methodist
	10. Tulane
	11. Ohio
	12. Duke
	13. Army
	14. New Mexico 
	15. Iowa State
	16. Maryland
	17. Oklahoma State
	18. Utah State
	19. Kentucky
	20. Cincinnati
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: Mullet nonsense (was Grits nonsense)
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:40:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.214107.25836@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, swanson@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Bob Swanson) writes:
> swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>>
>>MULLET!! Now you're talking!  Of course, it needs to be cooked the same day
>>it was caught, or else we are talking major fishy smell........
> 
> No!  Smoke it.  (kids, don't try this at home!)

Smoke it?  How do you roll the fish in the tiny papers?  Or, do you use a
bong?    :-) -- just in case 
-- 
David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
From: stu@voodoo.boeing.com (Stuart Liddle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Rose Bowl (was Re: Wash vs. Neb afterthought)
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:01:24 GMT
Reply-To: stu@voodoo.boeing.com
Organization: BoGart System

In article <83997@bcsaic.boeing.com>, lbaum@atc.boeing.com (Larry Baum) writes:
> The real problem with this scenario is that if UCLA then wins the Rose Bowl,
> then they would also have a legitimate claim to the MNF, especially if 
> Michigan or OSU or whomever came in as a highly ranked team.

OOOOOOoooooo, interesting.  UCLA and Washington as co-PAC 10 champs *AND*
co-national champs......hmmmmmm

Chew on that one all you SEC fans!

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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Gupta Power Ratings 9-28-92
Date: 30 Sep 92 11:55:54 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

C31801AG@WUVMD (Bapi Gupta) wrote:
}
}I do (b), doing (c) would screw up the conference games ...

I'm not dure what you mean by this.  What information does it
add to the program to include the conference's overall .500
record against itself?  Every conference, no matter how good
or bad, finishes .500 against itself.

}                                                   and if you really
}think about it, if you did a theoretical (d), i.e. take (c) one step
}further, you would have to eliminate all games played because your
}opponent's have common opponents and so on and so on and so on.

I don't see this.  

If A (4-1) beats B (3-2) and both have lost to C (5-0), that says
that as a group these teams are unbeaten.  They could easily be
the 3 best teams in the country.  Dropping the games between them
shows this.

-- 
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    "I may be a scwewy wabbit, but I'm not going to Alcatwaz!"       
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From: jjn@cbjjn.cb.att.com (Jeff Nappi)
Subject: Re: OSU-Wisconsin and such
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:03:47 GMT

In article <DOEL.92Oct5155504@bbq.bae.bellcore.com>, doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel) writes:
|> 
|> Here, I disagree.  I think Ohio State needs to get emotional.  I
|> don't want to take anything away from Wisconsin, but we flat out
|> stank in that game.  There was zero emotion on either side of the
|> ball, the hitting was nowhere near as crisp as it was against
|> Syracuse, and both offensive and defensive lines were completely
|> dominated.  Is Wisconsin's offensive line that much better than
|> Syracuse's?  Is their defensive line?

Exactly, to me this is the biggest problem facing Ohio State, someone
has got to get this team better prepared to do battle week in and week
out. No one expects a team to stay at a 110% emotional peak game after
game but my god how can Ohio State be so flat in its Big Ten opener.
Please don't feed me the garabge about Wisconsin beating Ohio State, the
fact that the Bucks played so poorly and still had a chance to win the
damm game in the end does little to prove to me Wiscosnin is a Big Ten
contender, improved yes, contender, no.

|> 
|> Ohio State has enough talent that it should be able to beat these
|> teams, even with a few guys hurt.  The offensive line was rated
|> in the top 10 nationally at the beginning of the season.  I didn't
|> see that Saturday.  The running backs are still loaded, even without
|> Smith.  The looked pretty mortal against Wisconsin.  The receivers
|> are the only position where we've really been hurt this year by
|> injuries (with the loss of Galoway).  Herbstreit would be better
|> at 100%, but he's still playing better than expected.

I have noticed that, for whatever reason, Ohio State plays at
different level when Robert Smith is in. I also think that Eddie
George defenitly deserves more playing time.

|> 
|> Another thing.  I don't want to hear about Tovar being a Butkus
|> candidate anymore until he starts to prove it.  He's been very
|> average this season (including the Syracuse game).  I'm not saying
|> he's a worthless bum or anything.  I just think he's not playing
|> to the level he did in previous years.

I really thought this guy would be dominating, he makes alot of tackles
but they are mostly past the line of scrimage. Alot of big runs against 
the Bucks seem to come in his area. One thing that I have noticed is
that the Buckeyes were getting such a big push from there front line
that Tovar was dropping back into coverage more than preveous years.

|> 
|> Having said all this, I hope the home crowd supports the team
|> against Illinois this week.  The emotional problems should be
|> worked out by Cooper & co. during practice.  The fan's need to
|> fuel that emotion with positive support during the game.

I hope so, but the trend the past five years as far as getting this
team prepared emotionally has changed very little. As far as the fans
go, I think that if the Bucks come out and play to there best of there
ability the fans will be there.

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Columbus Bell Labs
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From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: If Michigan had played to win....
Keywords: Michigan-ND
Date: 5 Oct 92 04:55:15 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Actually, if Michigan had played for a win, they would have benched Grbac!  :)
Let's see, he threw one interception on his own thirty that led the tying FG,
then threw the last one on the ND twenty or so, thus ensuring that Michigan
wouldn
wouldn't win.  As for ND bashing, well after the loss to Stanford, all my
bashing will go to hoping that Miami loses to SOMEBODY. :) Maybe PSU can pull
it off, maybe not.  After them, I think San Diego State is the only team with
a chance, but I'm not sure.  Anyone out there have Miami's schedule?
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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: the Heisman and Butkus awards (was: Re: Marshall Faulk)
Organization: Buffalo Stampede
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:28:04 GMT

In article <BvoAsC.BE6@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sms35849@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott M. Stortzum) writes:
>Glynn Milburn (Sp?) of Stanford really impressed me.  Maybe if Faulk
>falters ?

If I was a Heisman voter and the vote was today:

1. Marshall Faulk, RB (San Diego State)
2. Tyrone Wheatley, RB (Michigan)
3. Danan Hughes, WR (Iowa)

Do I get more votes?  How about:

4. William Robinson, QB (Mississippi State)
5. Ron George*, LB (Stanford)

(*) A tough pick over Marvin Jones (FSU), Jessie Armstead (Miami-Coral
    Gables), Sam Adams (Texas A&M), and Ron Woolfork (Colorado), but I
    had to give a vote for a defensive player.  Looks like a great
    group, and the Butkus Award will be tough to call.  The best team
    linebacking corps, IMO?  Colorado: Greg Biekert, John Katovsich/Ted
    Johnson, Chad Brown, and Woolfork.
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