HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mcn@cwru.edu (Michael C. Neuman)
Subject: Re: SEF did it again (RTF) also Netrek update! (Not really) (not RTF)
Reply-To: mcn@b62103.student.cwru.edu
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 03:36:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.022557.4653@kithrup.COM> sef@kithrup.COM (Sean Eric  
Fagan) writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.015816.15932@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>  
mcn@b62103.student.cwru.edu writes:

>>No, seriously, I just wanted to post something RTF so I can start the  
>>inevitable mail loop when I bounce all of his mail, and he bounces  
>>all of it back. I don't PAY for my connections, let's see how smug he  
>>gets when all his bandwidth starts getting sucked up by mail bouncing  
>>back and forth with
>>headers increasing in length. 
>>
>Proof positive that going to a decent university does not imply maturity.

 I'll skip the cheap flame about how he must have gone to a REALLY decent  
university, and get straight to the point. What's wrong, Sef? Don't like having  
your mail bounced? If you 'have the right' to bounce everyone else's mail, I  
have the right to bounce yours, even if does create an infinite mail loop--the  
bandwidth used is your own creation, not mine.
 
--
Mike Neuman                mcn@b62103.student.cwru.edu
			   NeXTmail accepted!!!
"To make a machine that will be proud of us." - Thinking Machine's motto
From: grx1512@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Dale Southard Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: PC magazine misinformation
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:01:04 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services


From the April 28, 1992 issue of PC magazine
extract from the sidebar "32-Bit GUI Alternatives:  No Contest" pp.192
by William F Zachmann

"... Another Unix-related contebnder is the NeXTstep 486, from NeXT. Built
on the Macintosh operating system kernel, the object-oriented NeXTstep is
an Intel architecture version of the much praised (if little bought)
operating system developed for Steve Job's NeXT computers. NeXTstep will
require an 80486 with 8MB to 16MB of RAM.  The user version will occupy
120MB of disk space; the developer version will need a whopping 400MB. ..."

He (W.F. Zachmann) also describes with great detail the shortcommings of all
the other present/future OS's when compared to the great god WindowsNT.

My opinion(s):

1) Gee, you mean to say that my Mac has been running Mach as it's kernal
	all this time?  :-)

2) Are all PC owners this dense?? :-)

3) Is 400MB of disk still "Whopping" for developers in the PeeCee world? :-)

4) Seriously: Has NeXT been THIS BAD at making the advantages of its 
	OS/Hardware known.  (Hell, I don't own one and I know that it 
	doesn't--hasn't--won't ever run on top of a Macintosh OS kernal).  

5) Seriously:  Does any other OS (NeXTstep, Taligent, Solaris, Open Desktop)
	stand a chance in a marketplace with this type of ignorance?


-- 
Dale Southard Jr.                                 Sr. Rigger
University of Toledo                             AFF/I   SL/I
grx1512@uoft02.utoledo.edu                          D-11216
Department of Chemistry -- "Just another skydiving grad student."
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: OpenGL vs. Renderman
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:14:45 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca


In light of the release of 3.0 with bundled Renderman being just a few  
months away, it is interesting to note that in a recent issue of Computer  
Graphics World that the closing column discusses Silicon Graphics'  
licensing of OpenGL, a derivative of the Iris GL, to other OS vendors.

The column discusses a few other graphics systems, such as PHIGS et al.  
and comes to the definite conclusion that OpenGL will be THE standard for  
high end graphics starting NOW, and that it is the BEST of all of them.

Has NeXT made a critical mistake in going with Renderman? Is the NeXT, in  
the wake of this possible sweep of graphics systems, going to be left in  
the dust with yet another fundamental incompatibility? I thought that  
Renderman would, in only a few years, propel NeXT into the front ranks of  
3D graphics / CAD / animation. Now I'm not so sure.

Comments?

-Anthony
From: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Image Processing for NeXT ???????
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:53:02 GMT


Does anybody know af any Image Processing package that would run under NeXTstep  
or even under co-Xist, and its out there on the net ??? Anything special for  
NeXTDimension ????

Anything in particular for tiffs ???

I would greatly appreciate any info on the matter

--john


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From: cartley@sengbush.Mines.Colorado.EDU (Craig Artley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Legal size paper and TeX -- Summary
Keywords: dvips 5.47/5.483
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:22:06 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

I posted asking for help using legal size paper (8.5in by 14in) with
TeX.  I was pleased to receive two quick and accurate answers.
Below is information on printing on legal size paper with both the
older version of dvips and the newest available version.  The
keeper of the FAQ (Pascal) might want to include this information.  

Here is the most specific answer, sent to me by William Gilbert
(wgilbert@fatou.UWaterloo.ca), who got the information from Scott
Willingham (willing@icsl.ucla.edu).  This applies to dvips 5.47, the
version released by Tom Rokicki last summer for the NeXT.  

1) First run dvips with the "-t legal" option, saving the PS to a file.
2) Edit the PS file:
	-replace the line %%EndComments with the three lines:
		%%DocumentPaperSizes: Legal
		%%EndComments
		%%PaperSize: Legal

I have been using the latest version, dvips 5.483, which requires a
slightly different fix.  With that version, specify legal size paper by
using \special{papersize=8.5in,14in} in your .tex file.  You don't need
to specify the "-t legal" option on dvips anymore.  But you will need
to modify the config.ps that is included with dvips 5.483 distribution,
as described below in mail from Tomas Rokicki (the author of TeXview
and dvips). 

> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 11:07:55 PDT
> From: Tomas G. Rokicki
> To: cartley@sengbush.Mines.Colorado.EDU
> Subject: Re:  legal size paper and dvips (NeXT)
> 
> What you need to do is change the configuration file for the paper  
size
> stuff to read
> 
> %%PaperSize: Legal
> 
> instead of
> 
> %%BeginPaperSize: Legal
> legal 
> %%EndPaper
> 
> The spooler is supposed to be smart enough to do this for you, but I
> guess the one on the NeXT isn't that smart.
> 
> I'll make sure this is fixed in the distributed dvips . . .
> 
> -tom
> 
--
Craig Artley    cartley@mines.colorado.edu    (303) 273-3557
Geophysics Dept., Colorado School of Mines, Golden, CO 80401
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: rn or nn on the NeXT?
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:37:23 GMT
Reply-To: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Apr6.170737.12270@nextoid.sw.socal.com>  
robert@nextoid.sw.socal.com (Robert Patrick Thille) writes:
> 
> Sorry if this is a duplicate posting, I forgot to crosspost to the other  
> groups the first time.
> 
> Well, of the four replies I got to my posting about newsreader software  
> for the next, three recommended getting trn.  So that's what I'm going  
> with.
> 
> So, the only thing I'm worried about now is whether I'll need nntp or not,   
> As this is a stand-alone machine using flat files for my news.  I just use  
> newsgrazer, but I have some friends dialing in...

If you are running NewsGrazer via remote nntp (meaning you dont store the news  
on your machine) then you can run trn in the same mode without *building* nntp.   
You *will* need the source for nntp on your machine when you build trn, because  
trn uses a few files from that source.  nntp source is available in several  
places on the net.

--
Douglas Scott                              (805)893-8352
Center for Computer Music Research and Composition
University of California, Santa Barbara
Internet: (NeXTMail ok)   <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
From: mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: MIME-capable software
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:56:06 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca
Mime-Version: 1.0

Anthony Berno claims that I never responded to him when he sent me some
questions by email.

Perhaps the reason why I never responded to him is that I have never received
any messages from him.

Berno also claims that MIME has never been mentioned in any computer rags.  I
guess he doesn't read the same trade rags I have been.  There have been
several articles about MIME, including some wildly inaccurate claims (e.g.
`MIME is the final nail of the coffin of X.400'), but nonetheless it has been
covered.

Of course, a computer rag that thinks that e-mail == Compu$erve would probably
not be interested in such a topic.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.next.misc:14098 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:3040
From: bugs@atlantis.uucp (Dan Berry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Mac <-> NeXT communication
Date: 14 Apr 92 06:41:49 GMT
Organization: Atlantis Communications, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

poff@vax.sonoma.edu (Someone) writes:
: Are you sure?  There are at least two companies which make software/hardware
: that allows for a third serial port that can do 56kbaud data transfer through
: a Un*x tty device.  Couldn't one of these solutions work?
: 
: poff@vax.sonoma.edu
: --thomas--

Appletalk runs at 230k-baud, if I recall right.  That's a far cry from 56k. :-)
Not to mention that just running one of the NeXT's serial ports hogs about 20
to 40% of the CPU time... it seems that there's no specialized IO to handle the
serial ports and pesters the 68040 like a hungry mosquito on a hot summer day.
I don't know what sort of performance you can get with the third-party port.
-- 
Dan Berry == President, NeXT Edmonton Owners Network / UofA Computers Tech.
	bugs%atlantis@cs.ualberta.ca (bugs@atlantis.uucp) - NeXTmail OK!
"On a first date, watch how your date treats the waiter, the bartender,
	and so on.  That's how she'll be treating YOU after three months."
From: dan@ennex3.eng.utsa.edu (Dan Shelton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Mathematica Problems
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:05:55 GMT
Organization: Univ of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Apr9.014129.18476@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
magnus@Kimura.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) writes:
> In article <1992Apr8.172644.28387@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>,  
dan@ennex3.eng.utsa.edu (Dan Shelton) writes:
> 
> |> With the Mathematica 2.0 you have to include the path to the  
Mathematica  
> |> kernel in your .cshrc file.  e.g. if Mathematica is in /LocalApps,  
path is  
> |> /LocalApps/Mathematica.app/Kernel.  If you don't include the path,  
the  
> |> cursor will continue to spin.
> |> 
> |> Dan
> 
> Not true. You must have Mathematica incorrectly installed.
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 			Magnus Nordborg
> 			Department of Biological Sciences
> 			Stanford University
> 			Stanford, CA 94301-5020
> 			USA
> 			(415) 723-4952
> 			magnus@Kimura.Stanford.EDU

On page 6 of the Mathematica Installation Instructions it states "Because  
the command scripts are invoked from a Unix shell, it is important for  
them to be in a directory that is on your shell's search path..."  I  
installed all of Mathamatica in /LocalApps which is exported to the  
network, which I did not mention.  You therefore need to specify the  
location of the executable files in your path.

	Dan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: silbar@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar)
Subject: Re: NeXTStep 486 should cost $250
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: LAMPF Data Analysis Center, Los Alamos, New Mexico
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 04:23:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.190936.29678@cco.caltech.edu>, ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) writes...
# ....
#And, don't forget that if they did sell at for $295, all us students would  
#start clamoring for a $99 version. :-)  They need to sell it at least twice  
#cost so they can sell it discounted at cost!  

I'm no accountant, but is it really possible to determine the cost of a
software product with any reliability?

   Dick Silbar
From: cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Size of Nets (was Re: SEF did it again)
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:39:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.123812.23773@macc.wisc.edu>  
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

$ In article <1992Apr14.104753.13285@gagetalker.com>
$ scotty@gagetalker.com (Scott Turner) writes:
$ >As big as the Internet is, Usenet is far larger. 
 
$ How big are they, according to you?

really big.
From: rick@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Gray)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: WANTED: Used NextStation Mono 8/105 (me too)
Date: 14 Apr 1992 14:08:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Division of Neuroscience, Baylor College of Medicine,
 Houston, TX

In article <1992Apr9.180626.28021@fnbc.com> rvs@fnbc.com writes:
>I'm in the market for a used station at a good price.  8/105 Mono is the  
>preferred configuration... 

>...don't bother sending in offers which are  
>higher than ~$3000 since I can get a new machine for slightly more
>than that.
   
>Thanks in advance for any offers,
>
>Ronald V. Simmons
>rvs@vnp.com


I'm also looking for a used mono/105/8 for < $3000.  Email to the
address in my sig or phone me at (713) 798-3346 if you have one you
want to sell.

thanks,
rick
-- 
Rick Gray                          rick@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu
Division of Neuroscience, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx 77030
From: greg@agog.com (Greg Cockroft)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: SimonSays
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:05:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: agog.1992Apr8.150518.962
Reply-To: greg@agog.com
Organization: Agog, Inc.


Stuart,
We encourage users to route these type of questions through the built-in  
email feedback mechanism. 

I'll get ahold of Illustrator and check out the first problem you  
reported. The reason we suggest that Mouse macros in general are placed in  
Application levels is that they are tied to applications anyway and do not  
make sense to be in a level which is generally always in hot memory and  
for commands which get executed for all applications.

Stuart Kossover writes
> 2. Changes to the Preference Panel appear to be activated only when  
Simon
> is quit and started again.
> 
There is supposed to be string on the Preferences panel which says that  
you need to restart listening mode before some changes will take affect.
Looks like this got removed when the panel was redone for looks. I'll make  
sure it gets put back on.

> 3. It would be nice if Simon would playback my voice commands so I could
> remind myself of how I enunciated them. I sit there sometimes repeating
> commands with permutations and combinations of inflections to the point  
of
> giving up and retraining them.
> 

We have had several people ask for this. The sounds are purposely deleted  
to save disk space. If a word is approx. a second and sampled 3 times.  
This is 24K a word. If you have 100 words this is 2.4 Meg of disk space.

> 4. It would be nice if Simon would open up its browser to the  
highlighted
> command that was successful last. Chances are this would be in the
> application that I would currently be using.   This would quickly
> facilitate adding or retraining commands for that application without
> having to browse through the limited view that is offered at this time.
> 
Sounds reasonable.

> 5. I spoke to Dave Peters at HSD who was very informative. He said he
> believes the BackSpace Application to conflict with some of Simon's
> functions.  I had BackSpace running when I first started using Simon. I
> found, however, that quitting BackSpace and starting from scratch with
> Simon made no difference in the afore mentioned issues.
> 
The problem with backspace and SimonSays 1.0 is a bozo bug on my part. It  
is only a problem if you are training. You will get a 30-60 second delay  
when you start training and between words. This is fixed and will be in  
the first maintenance release.

> 6. It would be nice if Simon could open specific files, like a telephone
> directory created with Andy Stone's fabulous DataPhile without me having
> to launch it first.  Maybe there could be a Doc receptical to drop these
> files into.
> 
The only way to do this currently is with the open command in a UNIX  
object.

	-greg.

-- 

Greg Cockroft                       greg@agog.com    
Agog, Inc.                          (517) 627-2186   fax 2673
13780 North River Highway
Xref: sparky comp.sys.next.misc:14025 rec.games.go:973
From: barry@arnold.math.ucla.edu (Barry Merriman)
Subject: Re: WRI 1-800 # & MMA 2.0.4
Organization: UCLA, Mathematics Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 22:43:15 GMT

In article <d1WI02hI0f6x01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> kls30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kent  
L Shephard) writes:
> They could just give it to you no matter what.  If you don't have 2.0
> 2.0.4 won't work anyway.
> 
> Remember you need that password.   

Good point. So, who will let me get at their 2.0.4 
version? How about setting up a guest account on your machine, 
so we could ftp it.
--
Barry Merriman
UCLA Dept. of Math
UCLA Inst. for Fusion and Plasma Research
barry@math.ucla.edu (Internet; NeXTMail is welcome)
From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Barbershop MIME
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:18:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr13.211845.16110
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT

As several other folks have mentioned, it would be nice if
NewsGrazer was updated to incorporate the MIME code. 
Since NeXT, and not Jayson Adams, now has the
responsibility to maintain NewsGrazer, perhaps anyone
who is interested in such updates and bug fixes should
drop NeXT some email. 

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: CD Technology CD-ROM drive
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:59:28 GMT

Cecil Coe writes
> CD Technology is pleased to announce that their top-of-the line CD-ROM  
drive,
> the CD Porta-Drive, is now available at a special 35% discount (SCSI  
cable not  
> included) to all NeXT users over the net.


1) how much?

2) how about an email address for the contact?


	chuck
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: does mouseX now have rootless windows?
Keywords: rootless, mouseX, X-Windows
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:53:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsbcsl.4165
Organization: Center for Computer Music Research and Composition, UCSB

In article <1992Apr13.160142.14391@pencom.com> alex@pencom.com writes:
>Hello there:
>
>Can anyone tell me where I can find the latest copy of mouseX, the one which  
>offers rootless windows?

Sorry, you have it mixed up.  The "mouseX" server is not the one with rootless
windows.  You need to contact Pencom, the developers of co-Xist, the
commercial NeXT X server.  It is their newest release that has the new
feature.

-- 
Douglas Scott                              (805)893-8352
Center for Computer Music Research and Composition
University of California, Santa Barbara
Internet: (NeXTMail ok)   <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
From: schoi@teri.bio.uci.edu (Sam "Lord Byron" Choi)
Subject: Improv for sale . . .
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 12 Apr 92 23:59:08 GMT

Well, the title pretty much says it . . . I've been holding on to it all
this time 'cause it seemed such a cool app, but I've finally come to admit
that as cool it is, it's not that useful if it isn't even installed on
my hard disk . . . I've got all the original stuff . . .

I'll just sell to the highest offer.

Sam

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jchin@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca (Joseph Chin)
Subject: Re: NewsGroup Causes NewsGrazer to crash
Reply-To: jchin@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca
Organization: The Wordcraft Group - Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:37:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.220231.25640@bradley.bradley.edu>  
guru@camelot.bradley.edu (Jerry Whelan) writes:
> ...
> Not that I want to (re)start the discussion on this topic, but this
> policy at NeXT is really annoying.  It makes me feel quite the
> hypocrite when I go around praising the qualities of NeXT and its
> machines.  If anyone at NeXT is noting such things, NOTE THIS!
> ...

I can understand the principle behind the policy at NeXT ... they don't  
want to mislead people and unintentionally raising their expectations  
(which happens very easily, especially in this group :-) by "occasionally"  
providing upgrades or support to officially UNSUPPORTED products.

But this is not an endorsement from me to let NeXT off the hook on the NG  
issue. I still believe that NeXT should release the source code for NG to  
the public domain. This will not only ensure that NG has a reasonable  
chance of survival and continuance, it will also raise the LCD for  
newsreaders (adds to NeXT's compelling advantage :-).

I also hope that NeXT has not given exclusive rights to the source code to  
any specific developer because this will violate the level playing ground  
principle. 

Joe

ps. Is anyone keeping a list of NeXT buzzwords for '92? Lets see, so far  
we have Mission Critical, Compelling Advantage, etc. Maybe someone can put  
those on t-shirts and sell them at NeXTworld Expo '93 :-)
--
| Joseph Chin ** jchin@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca ** NeXTmail welcome |
|         +1-604-879-6830 phone ** +1-604-879-9687 fax         |
|    Frame-authorized consultant**NeRD**The Wordcraft Group    |
|Vancouver NeXT Users Society director***Olympic Tornado sailor|
From: john@nextdoor.com (John McCracken)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Macintosh Emulator DEMO available via anonymous ftp
Date: 7 Apr 92 07:39:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: nextdoor.1992Apr7.073924.6454
Reply-To: john@nextdoor.com
Organization: Nextdoor Software, San Jose, CA, USA

In article <1992Apr6.171323.10507@Princeton.EDU> js@Princeton.EDU (Jay Sekora)  
writes:
> 
> Can I take this as evidence that y'all are working on a version of Executor  
> that will run the real Fontographer?  If so, HOORAY!  I will almost certainly
> buy a copy of this for my home NeXT if you come out with it.  (I say almost,
> in case Altsys happens to port Fontographer to the NeXT, but I think that's
> too much to hope for...)
> 

Can anyone tell me what Altsys' Fontographer does?

-- 
 John McCracken
 john@nextdoor.com