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From: cj531@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ali Momeni)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Final curtain sync. w/ Sunpacks?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 04:26:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Is it possible to do final curtain sync. with an EOS 630 with flashes other
than the 430EZ, i.e. a Sunpack 622 pro?

ali.       momeni@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu
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From: rao@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Govindaraju Rao)
Subject: Want shops in Ann Arbor and Pittsburgh (U.S.A. readers)
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:22:19 GMT

FOR READERS IN USA ONLY. SORRY IF THIS SHOWS UP ELSEWHERE. 

My sincere apologies for this waste of bandwidth.
 
Will some kind soul send me a list of reputable/reliable PHOTO-SHOPS 
in   ANN ARBOR, Michigan, preferably close to the Univ. of Michigan
and  PITTSBURGH, PA, preferably close to Carnegie Mellon Univ.?? 

I specifically intend to purchase  Vivitar Slave units,
Vivitar off-camera sensor cord, and a flash diffuser (inflatable or
otherwise).

E-MAIL ONLY PLEASE !!! to    <rao@ccu.umanitoba.ca>    
-- 
G.S.K. Rao <rao@ccm.umanitoba.ca> <rao@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
 
GRAD STUDENT'S GRACE:  Please God !! If it MUST crash .... not when
                       *I* am using it !!
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From: rjm@cs.brown.edu (Ralph Marshall)
Subject: Re: T-MAX fogged by x-ray machines??
Summary: Unfounded rumor alert!
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:13:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.135458.20004@sys.sweden.dg.com> robert@sys.sweden.dg.com (Robert Claeson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.013013.25176@src.dec.com>, jcollias@src.dec.com writes:
	[ Worried about airport X-ray damage to TMAX-400]
>
>Where was this? On a longer trip, I had a bag with many ISO 400, 800 and
>1600 films sent through the X-ray machine not three, but eleven times.
>I couldn't notice any fogging at all. This was completely within Europe,
>though. X-ray machines may have higher radiation levels where you live.

I purchased a few rolls of TMAX-3200 for a trip to London, and decided
to heed the "Do Not X-Ray" notice on the box.  I put all of my film in
a small plastic bag which I handed to the security people, making
their life easy enough to avoid complaining.  When leaving Gatwick on
the way back we found a machine which said "This machine will not harm
film," which I ignored as usual.  However, the guy insisted, so I let
them do it.  As I was waiting for the bags to come through, I noticed
that the display monitors were in false color rather than the usual
black and white.  

So the question is, do you suppose this was some sort of CAT-scan
style system rather than X-rays? (This would of course cause no fogging.)

Ralph Marshall
rjm@cs.brown.edu
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: andpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Rolleiflex 2.8 GX
Reply-To: andpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 03:40:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.220400@imhfhp16.epfl.ch>, byrde@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (Olivier Byrde) writes:
>Hi,
>
>I have a chance to buy an old Rolleiflex 2.8 GX, but I do not know if it
>is a good bargain. Does anyone have any information about this camera ?
>Its lens is a Planar 80 'made by Rollei', but is it better or poorer than
>the one made by Zeiss for Hasselblad ? In any case, what is the difference ?
>(The dealer said it was sharper :-) Is it true ??) And what is the current
>price of this camera (new or used) in the USA or in Germany ?

I have lusted after a Rollei with 2.8 Planar for years but since I never owned
one I can not tell you exactly how good they are. I would suspect they are
terrific. Maybe someone who reads Shuttrebug Ads can tell you more about the
current US price but I would suspect it is more than $ 500.

andy
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: kevin@miki.pictel.com (Kevin Davis)
Subject: > Cokin filters - any good?
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:17:33 GMT

Darek Lis writes: 
>I want to buy a few filters (split ND, warming, sunset etc.) Until now I've 
>been using Hoya multicoated filters, but I found them pretty annoying. They 
>are virtually impossible to clean. So I'm looking for an alternative. The 
>Cokin system looks nice. I could use the same filters with all my lenses. 
>The price is also reasonable - for the price of a 58mm Tiffen split ND 
>filter I can get the Cokin P-type holder, adapter and the filter. I wonder 
>though how do Cokin filters compare to Hoya or Tiffen in terms of optical 
>quality. For example, are they coated (multicoated)? I think Tiffen also 
>makes filters that fit Cokin holders. Are these better or worse than the 
>corresponding Cokin filters?

Tiffen makes very nice P-series graduated ND filters and graduated
color filters.  The Tiffens are high quality glass filters and should
easily beat the pants off of Cokin filters.
Concencus seems to be that Cokin ND filters tend to have a color bias
and are not truly ND.  If you like the slight color, that's fine; but
the name suggests that it is supposed to be neutral.

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PictureTel Corp
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From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: Has any one tried Vericolor (III)?
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:43:47 GMT

I use Vericolor sometimes, both III (VPS) and 400 (VPH).  It has lower
contrast and more natural looking colors than Kodacolor.  You need to
store it cold.  It has a retouching base which may make it more
susceptable to scratches; I'm not sure.  It is a pro film and you
probably don't want to mess with it unless you know what you're doing.
There are some Konica films now which are supposed to have similar
color characteristics but I haven't tried them.  They sound promising.
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: jacobson@cello.hpl.hp.com (David Jacobson)
Subject: Re: How Autofocus works?
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:07:06 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories

In article <1993Jan19.172819.9064@sol.UVic.CA> mstoer@sol.UVic.CA (Marcell Stoer) writes:
>I would like to exactly how the autofocus works in the new SLRs.  

The AF system consists of two linear CCD sensors, some optics, and a
processor.  Usually the main mirror is half silvered or perforated so
some of the light passes through it, bounces off a secondary mirror,
and then falls on the CCD arrays, which are the same optical distance
behind the lens as the film is.  Some additional goodies (note the
precision of my description :-) cause one of the sensors to see only
light passing through the left side of the lens, whike the other sees
only light passing through the right side of the lens.  If the image
is properly focused, the two ccd arrays see the same thing.  But if
the lens, is, say, too close to the film, the image picked up by the
left CCD array will be shifted a little to the left relative to the
one in the right CCD array.  

Ostensibly the algorithm is a correlation (as a function of shift)
algorithm.  Here it is in a nutshell.  Subtract the average light
intensity from the intensity at each point.  This gives positive and
negative numbers.  Let us call the ones from the left sensor Li, for i
running from 1 to 128 or however many elements the CCD array has, and
the right sensor values Ri.  Now denote the shift by s.  Compute the
function F(s) = Sum over the range of i of L(i-s)*R(i+s).  Obviously
there are a lot of little technical problmes to be solved, for example
what do when when i-s or i+s is off the end.  But anyway, when it is
perfectly focused Ri = Si for all i, and for s=0 we are either multiplying
positives times positives or negatives times negatives and we get a
a nice large postive value for the sum.  But if the image is out of
focus the maximum will occur for some non-zero values s.  Assuming
that subscripts increase to the right, if the max occurs for a
positive value of s, the lens must be moved farther from the film, and
vice versa.

Now, again, let me emphasize that there are lots of little technical
problems whose solutions are no doubt closely held secrets.

>Does anyone know exactly how this works?  If there are some publications
>on this I wouldn't mind the references.

If you have easy access to patents, try finding the original patent,
which is held by Honeywell.

>Marcell Stoer                                Internet : mstoer@sol.uvic.ca
>Department of Chemistry
>Molecular Beam Laser Spectrometry Laboratory    Voice : (604) 721-8975
>University of Victoria                            FAX : (604) 721-7147

  -- David Jacobson
From: drb@studmuffin.asd.sgi.com (Dan Baum)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: > Re: PENTAX 6x7 Questions
Date: 22 Jan 93 04:32:56 GMT
Reply-To: drb@studmuffin.asd.sgi.com (Dan Baum)
Distribution: usa
Organization: sgi
NNTP-Posting-Host: studmuffin.asd.sgi.com

I would also like to hear from people using P67 or other medium format
cameras for travelling, etc..  I have an RB67 that I don't mind lugging
around for a day, but for multi-week trips it gets a bit out of control.
I looked briefly at a P67.  It would be easier to hand-hold & carry 
than an RB67, but it is still fairly heavy.  It also appears to use
fairly old technology.  Mamiya 6 would be a possibility, but it's big $$
in the U.S..  I also looked at some of the 645 cameras (M645, P645), but
they weren't that comfortable for hand holding.

Any comments or suggestions would be appeciated, I'm leaving in a few
weeks!!

P.S. I'm not willing to spend the bucks for a Hasselblad.
-- 




Dan Baum					drb@sgi.com
Silicon Graphics
Mt. View, Ca.					
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From: madler@vssad.enet.dec.com (Michael C. Adler)
Subject: Re: Ilford DELTA 100: Info wanted
Reply-To: madler@vssad.enet.dec.com (Michael C. Adler)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:50:30 GMT


I asked about Ilford Delta 100 at a local camera store the other day
and was told that they had received one shipment of the film but it was
recalled by Ilford due to excessive variability of the film's speed because
of manufacturing problems.

-Michael
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: picheny@watson.ibm.com (MA.Picheny;340090)
Subject: Elan Zoom Lens and 430EZ Flash
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:40:09 GMT
Reply-To: picheny@bellini.watson.ibm.com (MA.Picheny;340090)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

I have a 100-300 USM lens for my Elan and a 430EZ flash.  Is there
any special instructions on how to use the flash with this size zoom, or do I
just treat it as if it were like the 28-80 lens that came with the camera?	


Newsgroups: rec.photo,connect.audit
From: graeme@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graeme Lyall)
Subject: History of photography list
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Distribution: connect
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 15:37:10 GMT



According to the British Journal of Photography, there is a mailing
list devoted to the history of photography.   I've always been
fascinated by early processes, and the pioneers of the art.  Can
someone please post details of how to subscribe to this list?

Thanks.

Graeme Lyall
graeme@ibmpcug.co.uk     uad1123@dircon.co.uk    graeme@minerva.demon.co.uk
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From: smithsh@sumax.seattleu.edu (Scott Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.photo,na.forsale,misc.forsale,pnw.forsale,seattle.forsale,seattleu.forsale
Subject: Forsale: Bessler Darkroom Equipment Summary:
Date: 22 Jan 1993 17:24:47 -0800
Organization: Seattle University
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu

I am taking down my color darkroom for lack of use and have a Bessler 67cp
dicro enlarger with lens, lens board, 35mm negative carrier, power supply,
and original owners manual. I am also selling my Bessler PM1A color
analyzer. Both are in excellent condition. I am asking 550.00 for the
pair. As a side note, if you are local, I have several jugs, measuring
pitchers, funnels, etc. that you are welcome to as part of the purchase
(These items are bulky, and would likely not be worth the shipping
charges if you are not local). 

Regards,
Scott H. Smith
Smithsh@seattleu.edu

Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: bcherkas@netcom.com (Brian Cherkas)
Subject: Maxxum 5xi Expansion Cards
Summary: Question about use of Expansion cards
Keywords: Maxxum, 5xi
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:53:00 GMT

I have a question for you 5xi owners and others. I am getting
back into photography after a lapse of many years. I purchased
a new 5xi recently and wonder if the expansion cards are worth
having. I know most of the things the expansion cards do can
be done manually, but being more on the novice side would they
be worth it? I'm interested more in the special application
cards rather than the feature cards. Thanks.

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From: exjtmm@tts.lth.se (Thommy M. Malmstr|m)
Subject: Re: How dangerous are developer chemicals?
Organization: Communication Systems, Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: 26 Jan 93 10:39:26

>>>>> "HK" == Herbert Kanner <kanner@goofy.apple.COM> writes:

HK> Accidents do happen, but if you rinse your hands immediately after any
HK> contact with developer, you should have no problems unless you have a
HK> really bad allergy.

The problem with darkroom chemicals is mostly when you throw it out in
the zink. It's a lot of harmful toxic silver (and maybe selenium) and
other toxic solutions that is flushed straight to the environment.
That may not harm you but maybe your children or grandchildren. Here
in Sweden (like in several other European countries) laws are made up
that says that you are must recycle photo-chemicals. 

/Thommy M.

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From: mikec@spider.co.uk (Mike Coren)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Elan Telephoto Zoom Lenses
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:24:02 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <19JAN199315165289@romeo.caltech.edu> dcl@romeo.caltech.edu (Darek Lis) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.034757.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au writes...
>> 
>>Forget the 75-300. Get the 70-210, 100-300, 100-300L, 80-200L or 35-350L.
>                                                                  ^^^^^^^
>Has anybody seen one of these in a store yet? How much does it cost?
>

I haven't seen one for sale, but I did see it in the "New Products" page
of a British photo mag.  They said it would be about 1400 pounds sterling,
which means probably around US $2000 or so.

Mike

-- 
Michael D. Coren, Electrical Engineer             mikec@spider.co.uk
Telecommunications Techniques Corporation, Germantown, Maryland, USA.
Temporarily at Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, Scotland, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: eclipse@netcom.com (Brian McCullough)
Subject: Re: Shirt Pocket Cameras
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:10:59 GMT

dlow@pollux.svale.hp.com (Danny Low) writes:
: >For those times when I don't want to carry an entire camera bag with all
: >the attendant goodies, I've been looking around at shirt pocket sized 35mm 
: >cameras.  What I was initially looking for was an Olympus XA equivalent 
: >(not seeing any used ones around).  
: 
: I know many pro photogs who carry an old XA for fun shooting and they
: are not parting when them. In fact they are always on the look out for
: a backup XA. If you have the money, the Contax T is very good and extremely
: expensive. The Olympus Stylus is what the company is touting as the
: XA replacement. It is a very nice "do everything" camera. The really
: nice thing about this camera is the lens is covered until you use the
: camera. Invaluable if you really intend to carry it in your pocket.
: You do not have to worry about pens, keys, coins, etc. marring the lens
: and the awkwardness of a pouch that must be removed and lost before you
: can use the camera.
: 
: 			   Danny Low
:     "Question Authority and the Authorities will question You"
: 	   Valley of Hearts Delight, Silicon Valley
: 	     HP CPCD   dlow@pollux.svale.hp.com

I took a trip to Hong Kong in December, and wasn't going to get out 
far enough into the countryside to make risking my Pentax LX worthwhile,
so I bought and took a Pentax Espio instead.  I'd have appreciated a bit
more ruggedness in the construction, but when loaded with Reala it returned
nice, sharp, well-exposed negs in lighting that was solid mud.  Many useful
overrides, too.


-- 
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"The early worm goes forth with zeal to give the hungry birds a meal.
His brother has no such intention, and lives to draw his old-age pension."
         -Montagu C. Butler
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: dsm@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (David Millman)
Subject: seeking super8 movie film/proc etc
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:42:35 GMT


Hi--

I'm looking for a decent source for super 8 (w/o mag sound) movie film
stock &/or processing.  (I know this ain't the movie film list--pls
refer me if there is such a thing.)  Even here, in NY City, the last
s8 b&w processing house shut down several years ago.  Damn shame...

Please reply to me directly--I don't read this list regularly (though
I do cherish my A-1 dearly & it hasn't made the Funny Noise so far).

thanks,
david millman, r&d, academic computing, columbia u
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: rspeirs@javelin.sim.es.com (Ron Speirs)
Subject: Re: line film
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Corp.
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 00:14:25 GMT

In article <C1KzKz.9Gp@comp.vuw.ac.nz> jenny@gphs.vuw.ac.nz (Jenny Rollo) writes:
>I saw some wonderful pictures the other day which were solely black and white, with no tones of grey.  I understand there is a special type of film (line film?) which is used to make these sorts of contrast pictures.  Could anyone tell me what type of film this is and whether I can use it on a 35mm camera please?  I would also be interested to know how it is developed.
>
You saw pictures which were made from lithographic film.  A common type of this
film is Kodalith Ortho, which is available in 35mm and many other sizes (in-
cluding sheets).  It is used extensively in the art and printing industries.
Kodalith Ortho 6556 is available in 35mm 100-foot rolls.  If you want it in
individual 35-exp cassettes, ask for Ektagraphic HC film (HCS135-36, Cat. No.
159-8655).  

You *could* use this film in your camera, but because its contrast is so high,
the exposure must be very accurate.  You would probably want to shoot a test
roll, and bracket your scenes in 1/2-stop increments.  Actually, several of the
bracketed shots may look ok, depending upon whether you wanted the highlight
detail or the shadow detail.  I would think that you would have more success
in these high-contrast derivations if you made them from ordinary negatives.
For this you would need some sort of film dupicating arrangement (a slide
duplicator or a macro lens).  Doing this you would be able to get just the
effect you wanted and not risk a wrong exposure on the original picture.
Obviously, if you start with a negative, the next result would be a positive,
and you would need to make a negative from the positive to make a print.

The litho films are developed in Kodalith Super RT or a similar developer
(there are many brands).  Kodak publishes a very good book on High Contrast
Images.  Perhaps you would want to buy it or find it in a library.
Good luck.

Ron Speirs, Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, Utah


Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: Advice Needed on Photographing Fire
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:20:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.110804.2875@spider.co.uk>, mikec@spider.co.uk (Mike Coren) writes:
> 
> Can anybody offer any pearls of wisdom in regards to photographing fire?
> I'll be in York for the Jorvik Viking Festival next month, and the final
> event is the burning of a Viking longboat on the river.  It will probably
> be late twilight or night.
> 

Well, you get caught in a bind, do you want nice flames, but blurred, or nice
sharp and 'wimpy'. Best thing I can think of is "get closer". This is from
shooting real fires ( I've just got back from a house fire ). Concentrate on
the people and the event, rather than the flames etc.

Good luck

~Paul
Organization: Ministry of Education, Computer Center NETNEWS system V2.3
Date: Wednesday, 27 Jan 1993 17:54:26 EST
From: <AIESECFJ@TWNMOE10.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject:    FAQ for beginner

Howdy!

I need a FAQ file to start doing the photo things. Pls help!

Ciao & Good Luck!
Rex
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: capella@masig.fsu.edu (Jorge Capella)
Subject: Need fix for slides developed as prints
Organization: Mesoscale Air-Sea Interaction Group, Florida State Univ.
Date: 21 Jan 93 11:11:13

A local photo shop recently developed several rolls of slide film as
if they were prints.  We are now the owners of numerous "negative
slides".  

Does anyone know if it is possible to make good slides from these
weird negatives?  Any information will be greatly appreciated.  

Thanks,

Jorge
From: wagner@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Lens reversal for close-up photography
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:03:12 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <1046@ubbpc.tredydev.Unisys.COM>, kjm@ubbpc.tredydev.Unisys.COM (Ken J. McFadden) writes:
> In article <1993Jan18.150229.1243@mala.bc.ca> wagner@mala.bc.ca writes:
>>I ORGINALLY REPLIED DIRECTLY, BUT WILL TRY TO POST THIS AS PER MY REQUEST.
>>
>>HAVE USED LENSE REVERSAL FOR YEARS FOR EXTREME CLOSUP (MACRO) PHOTOGRAPHY.  IT
>>GIVES AN EXTREMELY FLAT FIELD AS YOU ARE USING THE END OF THE LENSE THAT
>>USUALLY LOOKS AT A FLAT FILM PLANE.
>>
>>ADAPTERS ARE AVAILABLE THAT ALLOW DIRECT CONNECTION (NOT COUPLING AS THEY WILL
>>NOT WORK AUTO) TO THE BODY.  THESE ADAPTERS SHOULD NOT BE USED WITH ADAPTER
>>RINGS AS YOU WANT TO GET THE LENSE AS CLOSE TO THE FILM PLANE AS POSSIBLE.
> 
> Why not?  The further you get the lens from the film plane, the higher the
> magnification you will get.  I've done some extreme closeups with a 24mm
> mounted reversed on a bellows extended near its limit.
> 
> [rest deleted]
> 
>>AKA VE7GDA
> 
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The main reason I use lense reversal is to maintain the best ratio of magni-
fication to speed so I must admit I am a little biased.  I agree, there is no
reason why it won't work, however for my purposes if I have to get extreme
closeups I resort to other optics instead of reversal.

-- 
73, Tom
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