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From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Subject: Re: Milk price
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:45:04 GMT

In article <14DEC199212523908@envmsa.eas.asu.edu> bliznako@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (Bliznakov, Plamen) writes:
>The parents of a friend of mine arrived recently from Bulgaria. They
>say the price of a liter of milk is BGL 7. I calculated, that a galon
>would cost $ 1.10 (using exchange rate 24 BGL / USD). Here I can buy
>a galon of 2 % milk for $ 1.59, and rarely for $ 0.99 (on special sale).
>This includes a plastic bottle.
>
>In the summer I though the Bulgarian diary products are the last
>agricultural products which can compete at the international market, since
>they had relatively low price. I think this is not the case anymore.
>
>Probably, the only way to help the exports is not to support the current
>exchange rate, although this will increase the price of imported products
>(e.g., gas). Any ideas from the economics and business students ?
>
>Plamen


I think that with the mountains of surplusses on beef, butter and milk
in the heavily subsidized EEC agriculture (the same in the US), you
don't have any good chances to export these products there. So the price
increases rather correspond to the need for more internal production
and consumption (if the market forces work).

With respect to what can Bulgaria competitively produce and export,
so acquiring  the ability to import much needed new technologies,
managerial knowhow, human expertise and machinery, I cann't tell.
I saw yesterday (December 14) in the business section of New York
Times a large advertisement of Bulgaria's economic attractions
(what the government perceives so). It was basically: Tourism,
Transit transportation, a big company of lift-trucks.
Maybe this is what they can sell in the west for now. There are
also the Middle East markets and the eastern Europeans (even though
the government considers them as secondary relative to the West).

In general, I've got the impression that they are going to transform
the economy (privatization) very slowly, relatively to other eastern
countries, for stability sake. They point that they don't want to sell
the alteady existing enterprises for "free" to domestic and foreign
investors. (My opinion is that it does make sense. But as always in
economics, the pace of change and the risk associated with it, is
always a gamble which can give good fruits or disaster).


Gr

PS: I am not an economist, but I have several years of strong
    private interest (ie reading and discussing with experts)
    into economics; realities and theories :-).
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From: chao6@husc11.harvard.edu (James Chao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.canada
Subject: World Model United Nations Conference in Czechoslovakia
Date: 21 Dec 92 05:14:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec21.001409.18730
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

To all those interested in international relations, politics, and the
United Nations: 

Harvard World Model United Nations (WorldMUN) is an international
conference that brings together university students and young
professionals from around the globe to siimulate the workings of the
United Nations.  The second annual WorldMUN conference will be held from
March 28, 1993, through March 31, 1993, at the Hotel Diplomat in Prague,
Czechoslovakia.  

Ten committees, representing the General Assembly, Economic and Social
Council, and Specialized Agencies of the United Nations, will discuss
issues from the actual UN agenda.  In addition to the formal debate of
resolutions, committee sessions will be augmented by presentations from
politicians, businessmen, scholars, and activists who have helped shape
the dramatic world events of recent years.

In this era of momentous political change, WorldMUN seeks to assess the
role of the United Nations in a new world order.  WorldMUN marks the first
truly international simulated United Nations where participants play the
roles of their own nation's ambassadors.  WorldMUN strives to teach
tomorrow's leaders about the United Nations and its methods of conflict
resolution.  It aims to foster skills in negotiation and debate, in order
that delegates may formulate resolutions on topics currently discussed in
the real United Nations.  These resolutions will be sent to the actual
United Nations committees.

WorldMUN 1993 will take place at the Hotel Diplomat in Prague,
Czechoslovakia.  The Hotel Diplomat is Prague's most modern conference
center.  Prague is both one of the most beautiful metropoles of Europe and
an ideal location for debating current world politics and the changing
role of the United Nations.

The Hotel diplomat is a luxury resort that offers restaurants, shops, a
night club, and fitness and spa equipment.  Delegates will stay at the
Hotel Diplomat for the reduced rate of 130DM/day double occupancy, which
includes two meals a day.

Delegate registration is $US60 per delegate.  For more information, please
reply to this e-mail address or write/fax:
Joshua A. Salomon, Secretary-General
Harvard World Model United Nations 1993
Suite 23, 1430 Massachusetts Avenue
Cambridge, MA 02138-3810
UNITED STATES

Telephone:  001-617-493-6995
Fax:  001-617-493-6995

James Chao
chao6@husc.harvard.edu
From: kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: wedding customs and other pleasantries
Date: 19 Dec 92 01:35:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec19.013526.28775
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


  Quoth the sender: (Sender: news@sarah.albany.edu (News Administrator)

>kaygee's reponse to someone's simple query for information on wedding
>customs ("just knock 'em down and jump on 'em") was stupid, tasteless,
>and adolescent. Was it supposed to be funny? Rape is funny? 

Dear arbiter of good taste,
I'll gladly let you get away with the rather pointless and inflammatory
name-calling if you'll lighten up a little bit.  Yes, it was supposed
to be funny.  No, I did not say rape is funny.  I said that what I said
was supposed to be funny.  What I said was not rape.  What I said was
an utterance that was intended to be humorous.  An utterance is not
rape.  Rape is rape.  An utterance is an utterance.  Sorry if that
confused you.  Dan Quayle has trouble with that sort of thing, too.
Kevin Giansante (kaygee@u.washington.edu)

P.S. If you want to continue this discussion, please do so in e-mail.
No point in dragging this out to a point where it's going to annoy
and bore everyone.
From: marinova@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Dora Marinova)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: RFE/RL Daily Report 15 Dec
Date: 16 Dec 1992 20:14:56 GMT
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BULGARIANS CAN BE CLEARED OF COLLABORATION CHARGES.  According
to a decree issued by interior minister Yordan Sokolov on 14
December, Bulgarian politicians and top officials are entitled
to ask the ministry to clear them of charges of collaborationwith the former state security, BTA reports. Sokolov told
journalists that each applicant who has been unjustly accused
of collaboration will receive a document certifying that the
charges are groundless.  An investigation will cost 1,000 leva
($45) and will involve checking the files of the former secret
police.  Acting Prime Minister Filip Dimitrov supports the
decree even though he realizes the issue is controversial both
from a legal and political point of view, but he explained
that he is ready to take the consequences. (Kjell Engelbrekt,
RFE/RL, Inc.)
From: penev@venezia (Penio Penev)
Subject: Re: Milk price
Organization: Rockefeller University
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 23:16:36 GMT
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Bliznakov, Plamen (bliznako@envmsa.eas.asu.edu) wrote:
: Peter (I think) has mentioned a way around it: you open an account, put your 
: currency there for a night and then make a withdrawal getting the required 
: paper. I know it's inconvinient, but still possible. And the operation costs
: almost nothing (opening an account with Balkanbank used to cost BGL 2 = $ 0.08, 
: closing cost nothing).

There is one very fast way to leagalise the export of Your money, but
I guess, that it works only for the official BGL 10,000 equvalent. Go
to any exchange bureau, say that You want a certificate, that You have
bought the money from them, and they'll cell it to You for the price
of the difference between their cell/buy rates, multiplied by the
ammount. This equivalent to selling an buying the currency.

One thing is sure - the _controll_ in Bulgaria got less, but I have
not heard the "Zakon za sdelkites walutni cennosti i walutniq kontrol"
to have been denounced. You can in principle go to jail for possessing
illegal currency more that BGL 100 (<USD 5). Ok, my info is 4 month
stale.

-- Penio
From: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: The Balkan Dance of Death [Macedonia]
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:03:17 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <1992Dec15.064322.15429@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis) writes:

[interesting story deleted]

>Unfortunately, the future of those villagers was not a good one.
>They had to be splitted and fight each other and kill each other.

And all this because before 1870 the population was always presented as
Bulgarian there - even the Serbs recognized that (and the educated
representatives of that population has presented itself as Bulgarian and
people like Petko Slaveikov published newspaper "Macedonia" in Tzarigrad
...). And all this because of the ambitions of 'others' (incl. big powers
like Austria and other not so big powers) over those lands, recognized by
all travelers and ethnographers from the mid 19th century as Bulgarian.

>Gr

Luben

PS. I just read the European from today and saw letters written by 14 years
old children. It's amazing. How could have the Communist got their
brainwashing tactics and implementation so wrong ...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: daniel@danbo.bg (Daniel Kalchev)
Subject: Re: Computer Viruses Conference in Varna
Organization: Digital Systems
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:35:19 GMT

nexus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Abstractor) writes:
: I have reposted the info about the conference in Varna to comp.society.
: cu-digest. I apologize for doing so without asking for your permission,
: but you're hard to reach by e-mail -:)

Thanks. However it was already arranged for the announcement to be
posted in CuD. As far as hear, the word is traveling like fire in the
forest. Now it remains for someone to decide to speak on it...

You should be able to reach me by e-mail. If not, that would be a
serious problem. =:-)

Daniel
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: pvgunm@vesta.unm.edu (Peter V. Gadjokov)
Subject: Re: PROSTI MI TI ...4
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 15:36:23 GMT
Organization: Space and Planetary Image Facility

In article <92348.214208ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>Because dear
>comrades you have to learn something from the experience of the Serbians
>before giving away Bulgarian land to the gupsies.  Poor and exhausted Bulgaria
>do not need Kosovo II.  There arenough Bulgarians in Bulgaria ready and willing
>to have and to work THEIR LAND from dark to dark.  To have children, edno da
>gleda kravite, drugo prasetata (ne komunisticheskite svini), treto kokoshkite,
>chetvqto da ore nivite, peto da kopae i rezhe lozyata, shesto da gleda domatite
>sedmo da gleda konete i magaretata (ne komunisticheskite).


As I have already mentioned this free-flowing transitions from one language to 
another contributes little to the coherence of the posting. The author's
reaction to the responses to his initial posting was the somewhat obscure
conclusion that the people who commented on his article had tremendous
financial assests in Swiss financial institutions. Alas, tis not so, at least,
not in my case.
 
>As it was in the beggining is now and ever shall be!
>All these children used to be good sigers, musision and dancerd but only on the
>weekend.  So dear comrades we don't need population that consider their only
>duty on Earth is to dance (kucheka) 24 hours a day.

Uuuuh, beg your pardon? I'm afraid, the above is beyond my limited powers of
comprehension. Perhaps the author would care to elaborate...


>What we are going to do with the 1 millions alliens in BG today you will ask me
>probably then?

One million aliens? Aliens? In Bulgaria? To arms! Our beloved fatherland is 
clearly being overtaken! Probably another comunist plot... 

>     ...permanent residents of THE KINGDOM OF THE BULGARIANS.

I must have missed this important new development... Kingdom... Sounds quite
grand indeed.


>     Krumovi zakoni tova mu e majkata.

The above remark suggests the implementation of some rather archaic and
somewhat inhumane laws. I cant exactly understand it myself but when I read it
one word came to my mind - facist. 


Well, dear <ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, I dont know where you are, but the trains
just dont go there any more. And I hate to sound patronizing, but, hey, get a
clue. Or a life. Or both. 

Salutations and Seasons Greetings,
Peter VG
pvgunm@vesta.unm.edu


P.S.  Oh, almost forgot! Gypsies! Gypsies! ok? Not Gupsies - you were probably
thinking of a kind of small fish.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: A7571DAC@vm.univie.ac.at (TIETZE)
Subject: Koj e koj v BG (i SDS) ?!
Organization: University of Vienna
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:22:39 GMT

                    Koj e koj v BG (i v SDS) ?

Sled dvudnevnoto nac.sqvesht.na SDS v Sofiya premierqt v ostavka
F.DIMITROV izdade zabelezhitelna zapoved, da se razkriyat
dosietata na vsichki VIP"s (deputati, ministri zam.min. i
nachalnici) za koitose poyaviha nyakakvi svedeniya v masmediite,
che biliaktivni sqtrudnici DS i sled tova da se izdade navseki, za
kogoto nyama takivo dokazatelstvo specialno svidetelstvo, che ne e
bil takqv| F.D. podcherta, che poema lichna otgovornost za tazi si
stqpka.

                 Nacionalnata konferenciya na SDS

Na samata konferenciya edno mnozinstvo (11 gl. sreshtu 3) se
zastqpi za pregovori s DPS, no 94% namerihaza neobhodimo, predi
tova da bqde sklyuche no specialnosporazumenie za sqtrudnichestvo.

90% iskat, NRS(-DS) i NSO(-UBO) da minat pod parlamentaren
kontrol. Drugi vazhni tochki ot rezolyuciyata: Razsqkratyavane na
dosietata NKS da narezhda na PS na SDS SDS da
posochi premiera i silovite ministerstva (MVR, MVnR, MNO, MNF)


                   "EKOGLASNOST" sreshtu Zhelyu

V nedelya vecher se sqstoyala nyakolkohilyadna demonstraciya na
"EKOGLASNOST" pochti izcyalo nasochena sreshtu prezidenta Zh.Zh.,
chijto portret bil izgoren demonstrativno.

Edvin SUGAREV smyata, che kompromisno pravitelstvo s DPS, shtyalo
da bqde ohuleno kato "tursko" i bi bilo samoubijstveno za SDS.

Aleksandqr STALIJSKI (MNO):"na turcite v tozi moment ne vyarvam",
"narezhdaniyata v DPS ne idvat ot tam, a nyakqde ot drugade"
"ochakvam pravitelstvo samo za 2-3 meseca".

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: PETROV@UIMRL3.MRL.UIUC.EDU (Ivan Petrov)
Subject: Re: the need for news from Bulgaria
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24
Organization: MATERIALS RESEARCH LAB - UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:50:17 GMT

In <1992Dec8.155415.6572@midway.uchicago.edu> dim2@ellis.uchicago.edu writes:

> Concerning the Open Society foundation: they do not follow the news.

They do compile a chronicle of the main events during the month. 
If they e-mail this compilation even on a weekly bases would be
a step forward. 

> If you insist, you may contact them by email, as i mentioned some
> postings ago. addresses: ososo@bgearn.bitnet or ososo@bgcict.bitnet
> (preferred).The technical part of getting something from them on the
> netnews is not difficult - they can send it to one of us, who then can
> post it on the net.
> 
It will be of little use if just a few of us contacted the Open Society. 
Maybe we should do something more. 

Someone (Luben, Daniel?) mentioned that perhaps we need 
to pay for the service. e.g. mailing costs + the labor to do
the job. 
Let us try to estimate how many people  are really interested in this
enterprise and are willing to contribute. If we come up with a 
sum of money then perhaps we will see if somebody will do the job for 
what we can pay. 

I am willing to do the count. 

If you are ready to give the equivallent of
$10 or more per year for regular e-mail news from Bulagria, please, send me
a short e-mail message stating so.

By Jan. 5 I will announce the total amount promised and if you
wish the names of the people ready to donate money.

About the source of the news. I favor the foundation Open Society or
an equivallent organization which has an established mechsanism for
donations and presumably accountability and financial responcibility.
Besides from the Newsletter distributed by Open Society I  am
left with the impression that they do make an effort not to take sides
and to report objectively.

Let us see what will come out of this.
The group  is almost a year old. Let us try to upgrade it.

> Regards
> Alexander Dimitrov		a-dimitrov@uchicago.edu  (Internet)
Happy holidays

Ivan


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Subject: Re: MILK PRISE
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:45:05 GMT

In article <1gr44bINNc71@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> sutin@helios.UCSC.EDU (Brian Sutin) writes:
>
>The last time I made this, the grocery was out of feta [Greek Goat], so
>I bought feta [Bulgarian Sheep] instead.  The feta [Bulgarian Sheep] was
>much, much better!


I certainly agree. When I came in the US and tasted the greek feta
I was wondering how the people could stand eating such a garbage.
Eventually I realized that the greek feta that you buy from the
supermarkets is mostly for the Greek-Americans who are willing to 
eat something with the title "greek" even if it is worthless.
(Smart Italians sell italian olive oil, with the brand name 
"Athena", to the same people because they perceive it as greek!)
Eating greek feta from some Greek-American restaurants which they
buy it by wholesalers made a big difference though.

In any case I haven't yet tried any Bulgarian feta here, even though
it was very popular back in Athens. I have found feta from Wisconsin
as an acceptable Quality/Price substitute :-).


Gr
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: L629159@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: MILK PRISE
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 22:49:33 GMT

From: sutin@helios.UCSC.EDU (Brian Sutin)

In article <17DEC199215162977@jane.uh.edu> chemae@jane.uh.edu (Todorov, Stanisla
>In article <92351.184303ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, <ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes...

>For a while now I have been reading the writings of <ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
>with a feeling of resigned amusement -- like, you know this guy is, well..
>interesting.  I even tried to joke about it on the net.

>After some more of these, however, I realized that this is also read by
>other people, some foreigners, who have never been to Bulgaria, don't know
>what the situation is, and may take it for the real thing.  So I shall try
>to post a few facts. [...]

I disagree with your solution.  This person is a crackpot, and his type is
common on the net.  After fifteen years of experience on the net myself, I
have learned that the best solution to these types of postings is to ignore
them completely, no matter how tempted one is to reply.  To engage him in
rational discussion implies that his viewpoint is rational and worthy of
discussion.

I have received email from ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET which I though was very
insulting to Bulgaria, Bulgarian history, and the Bulgarian people.  This
person is not your friend.

As an aside, I recipe I often make is "Greek Salad," which is:

1 basket cherry tomatoes
1-2 cucumbers
1 red onion
	all chopped up, with
2/3 kilo feta [Greek Goat]
1/8 liter olive oil
1/2 lemon juice
	(warning -- I just now converted this to metric...)

The last time I made this, the grocery was out of feta [Greek Goat], so
I bought feta [Bulgarian Sheep] instead.  The feta [Bulgarian Sheep] was
much, much better!  Perhaps this is really a Bulgarian recipe.

Brian Sutin				sutin@lick.ucsc.edu
Lick Observatory, UCSC			Santa Cruz, CA 95064
    Fred:   "May I rescue you?"
    Ginger: "No, thank you.  I prefer being in distress."

  This is the salad which restaurants in Sofia refer to as Shopska Salata.
I got the same in Beograd where it was called Srpska Salata.  Delicious.
and a much better topic for a thread than the ravings of <...@...>.

Al Moore
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From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Subject: Re: Milk price
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:26:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.095330.6273@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu writes:
>
>I haven't seen Bulgarian wine in the vicinity (haven't been searching,
>though). 


 I've been drinking Thrakia for quite a long time now. It has a favourable
 Quality/Price ratio for my income range.


 Gr
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