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From: jmarin@messi.uku.fi (Jukka Marin)
Subject: Re: Reading audio as data?
Date: 16 Oct 92 07:08:44 GMT
Organization: University of Kuopio, Finland

Does it really matter who writes:

>>|>     From my understanding, only the the CDROM drive that comes w/
>>|> SGI machines can read the audio portion of a CD as data. I also understand
>>|> that CDROM drive manufactures have agreed not to make drives that can
>>|> read the audio. *However* I hope that my understanding is *wrong*!
>>|> 
>>|>     Has anyone encountered a CDROM drive that can read the audio as data?
>>|> 
>>|>     Please post... I am not the only one interested in this.
>>|> 
>>|> Thanx, Tom C.
>>No, you aren't wrong.
>>Currently the only computer controlled path from CD to computer hard disk
>>is via DAT. There are boards that can suck data from a CD optical port, but
>>CD player control is manual.

The drives _can_ read audio as data from the discs.  There is one bit on
every audio track which either allows or prohibits digital copying.  The
CD-ROM drives simply check the state of this bit, and if set, refuse to
read the audio data in digital from.  I haven't found a single disc with
those bits clear to let me transfer the music into my Amiga in digital
form.

Now, if you are a hacker, all you need to do is to remove the check code
from the CD-ROM drive's firmware and you'll be able to read all audio
discs as raw data... :-)

  Jukka Marin
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From: cat@inf.puc-rio.br (Carlos Alberto Teixeira)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: << Chinon - TKS! >>
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:58:11 GMT


 
Hey, Michael:
        
A good friend of mine <americo@icad.puc-rio.br> posted a message 
on alt.cd-rom about a problem with a Chinon machine. It was my drive. 
And you sent him this kind reply:
 
 > From ring@forest.egr.msu.edu Sun Aug 30 15:12:13 1992
 > Subject: Re: Chinon CD-ROM device driver
 > Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
 > 
 > I have a new version of the driver dated 07/23/92 
 > I can uuencode it and send it via mail if you want me to.
 > 
 > Michael Ring
 
Just some days after, Americo gave me the new CHINON.SYS and all
my problems were over. I would like to thank you very much for your
help. If you ever need something from our sunny Rio, don't hesistate
a minute to ask me, ok?
 
Take care.

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Xref: sparky alt.cd-rom:3687 comp.periphs.scsi:5000
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,comp.periphs.scsi
Subject: Re: Which (inexpensive) SCSI CD-ROM to buy?
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:56:09 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <1992Oct15.160313.18056@nb.rockwell.com> wade@nb.rockwell.com (Wade Guthrie) writes:
>I have seen two SCSI CD-ROMs in the 350ms range for sale in the $330 price
>arena (I've found no SCSI CD-ROMs cheaper): the Chinon (I don't know the
>model number) and the Texel DM-3021.
>
>My questions are these:
>	- is there anything wrong with either of these drives?

   Basically, I came to the same conclusion you did after researching in
the trade mags.  I chose the Chinon, simply because my local independent
dealer had one.

>	- should I be concerned with reliability?

   I've been using mine for all of 6 days.  It still works. :-)

>	- can either of the drives do audio?

   The Chinon definitely can, and I believe the Texel can also (I wouldn't
have considered it if it didn't).

>	- are there any features for which I should look other than
>	  speed, audio, and SCSI-ness?  Anything that these don't have?

   Check for your preferences in presence and accessibility of volume
knob and headphone/speaker jack, type of caddy (or caddyless), other
audio output connectors, availability of a driver for your SCSI board,
etc.  The Chinon has volume and headphone jack on the front panel, and
uses a standard caddy.  However, I couldn't get it to work with my Future
Domain SCSI board using the FD-supplied driver.  I finally went with
the little SCSI board and driver supplied with the drive, and it works
fine.  (I also had my dealer swap my SCSI drives and the FD board for
an IDE drive and controller, and some intermittent but annoying problems
with Windows went away; I'm staying away from Future Domain from now on,
and remain leery about SCSI in the PC world).  All I have to do now is
make up a little cable to connect the 3-prong Chinon audio output connector
to the 4-prong Soundblaster CD input connector, and I should have full
functionality.

>	- is there a better drive in the same price category?

   My research didn't turn one up.

>	- is there a must-have drive in another price category?

   I came up with a set 6 drives-- two each in the low-, mid-, and high-
range.  I don't recall anything about any of the others except there
was a Sony in the mid-range, and the NEC in the high range.  If money
were no object, I'd own the NEC.  I went the low road; we'll see how
it turns out.

>	- what is the air-speed velocity [sic] of an unladen swallow?

   African or European?
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
From: chitu.patel@cutting.hou.tx.us (Chitu Patel) 
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Writable CD-ROM technolog
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:46:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: chitu.patel@cutting.hou.tx.us (Chitu Patel) 

Ajay,
     Are you an alumni of MSU ?
Chitu.

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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: mcnair@slab.unt.edu (SEAN MCNAIR)
Subject: SPERM and CD-ROMS
Organization: School of Library & Info Sci, UNT
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 20:12:47 GMT

    I recently fell out of bed while I was having some intense sex with my 
girlfriend and spermed on some CD-ROMS I have. I didn't get a chane to wash 
them off for three weeks! Soemtimes these CDs skip in the reader. Is this 
due to the sperm, or could it be something else?

                            Gumby
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: CD-ROMS with audio and video?
From: marwk@levels.unisa.edu.au
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:30:28 +0930
Organization: University of South Australia

Do the CD-ROMS which supply sound from nusic CD's also supply video
and sound from VIDEO CD's?

What do I need in order to do this?

Thanks.

--
Raymond Kennington
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: gloster@INFERENCE.COM ("", Vance M. Gloster)
Subject: Trantor T100 Host Adaptor Drivers
Reply-To: "(Vance M. Gloster)" <gloster@INFERENCE.COM>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:54:30 GMT

  I have a Trantor T100 Host Adaptor with version 4.1 Software drivers
  and am unable to get Windows 3.1 working with it. I have been told
  that I will need Version 4.33d or later of the software for windows to
  work. Does anybody have these drivers, do they cost?, can someone post
  them to me please please pretty please......

The Trantor T100 was designed for XT-class machines.  It does not work
correctly on most 286/386/486 machines.  The T128 card is what you
need.  It is available for about $100.

-Vance Gloster
 gloster@inference.com
From: jack@admin.mport.COM (Jack Craig)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: CD ROM
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:33:04 GMT
Organization: Microport Inc., Scotts Valley, CA 95066 US of A

jerry@incc.com (Jerry Rocteur) writes:


>I've just ordered a new 50 MHZ system from Continental to run ODT 2.0
>and I was toying with the idea of putting a CD ROM drive on it, I am 
>not sure whether to do that or not, I have dos PCs in my office and it i
>s about time I bought a CD ROM drive, but is it worth it installing one 
>on an ODT 2.0 machine ??

>I know that ODT comes on CD ROM but apart from that, will I be able to
>read all those great CD ROMs I see advertised, is there software like

it depends on what you mean 'read'. if you mount the volume and cat/type
files, it sure has that. its Srom driver for cd's is used with the
high-sierra filesystem to provide file access. 

however if you mean 'read' as in all those nifty dos app, now there
you may be disappointed. i know of no apps in this area. there is also
an abscense of audio control software. the iris indigo has a neat 
cdplayer program that puts up a buttoned window much like the front
of a vcr. you may persuse tracks or load a database with prefered
listening for later auto play. its slick. i was thinking of porting it.
intel folks need a break too!

note i dont use the above, just have configured, mounted the media
and a quick data scan.

just my $0.02 worth enclosed fyi.

jack...
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             Software Horizons SVR3 408-684-1375   uunet!sco.com!blznrzn!jack
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>MSCDEX for UNIX that I can use to read CD ROMs.

>Am I better off buying one and sticking in in a DOS machine with
>Soundblaser ??????

>Confused (again :-)
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From: 2719weberj@vms.csd.mu.edu (Joe Weber)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Photo-CD-R and write software
Date: 15 Oct 1992 01:31:32 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 2719weberj@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsd.csd.mu.edu

In article <1992Oct13.112206.20525@alf.uib.no>, pererik@cmi.no (Per-Erik Nordbo) writes:
>>From my point of view there is one thing lacking in the Photo-CD concept. I would like to write back images which I may have 1) created synthetically or 2) read from Photo-CD and modified in image processing tools.
>
>All you need is Photo-CD-R(ecorder) whith additional write software.The coast of a Photo-CD-R player used in the photo-laboratories is expected to cost $1000 - $2000 when volume shipping starts.
>
>Windows and Finder will support Photo-CD READING. Does anybody know whether Kodak will provide software that will allow us to WRITE to Photo-CD-R?
>
>-- 
>Per Erik Nordboe, Christian Michelsen Research, Norway pererik@cmr.no

Well, just my 2cents worth here, but recent inquires at Impulse Computing as
to getting photo cd recording systems have been met with the figure
of 100,000 thats right $100,000 that includes 2 recorders and one computer,
scanner, and some software, but NOT the development equipment!

To my knowledge, at present the cheapest recorder is the phillips cd521
and this has some attachements that can alow it to write photo-cd, but 
you are still looking at about $20,000 not $2,000.

JOE
From: hary@poco.esd.sgi.com (Joe Hary)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: wd7000 tmc7000 cdrom driver
Keywords: eisa cdrom
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:17:35 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Is there a driver available for dos that will work with the new
tmc7000ex (used to be wd7000) scsi adaptor?  Rumor is it that ibm
drivers will work.  Is this true, if so, where can they be obtained?

Thanks
-JOe
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston)
Subject: Re: Desk Top Library CD on hold
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:00:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.175604.9772@ntg.com> mboom@ntg.com (Mike Boom) writes:

   I just received a letter today from Walnut Creek CDROM informing me that
   they couldn't ship the copy of Desk Top Library that I ordered because
   they have a legal challenge to the public domain status of some of the
   works on the disc.  They think the challenge is without serious merit
   and expect to resume shipping in November.

Which works did they say are under contention?

MJ
--
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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,rec.photo
From: bam@Bang.UUCP (Bret A. Marquis)
Subject: Re: Redistributable Digital Images
Reply-To: bam%bang@trout.nosc.mil
Organization: InterZone Incorporated., San Diego
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:09:28 GMT

Rich Morin (rdm@cfcl.com) wrote:
: 
: In any case, the problem is not insoluble.  If an artist gives permission,
: there is no reason why an otherwise suitable image cannot be digitized and
: sent out for distribution.  In fact, by working with the artist, it is quite
: probable that a superior digitization might be achieved.  But why would an
: artist be willing to co-operate in the uncontrollable dissemenation of his
: or her work?  Well, one good reason is publicity.  If each image carries the
: name and address information for the artist, viewers might be interested in
: getting framed prints, etc.  Certainly, it couldn't hurt an artist's fame to
: have high quality images sitting on the world's computer displays.
: 

Its an excellent idea actually.  Many CD-ROMs exist exactly for that
purpose.  The usual deal is that a low resolution series of photo's are
digitized and transfered to the CD-rom.  The ROM is distributed free of
charge to magazines and newspapers.  If an image is desired for
publication, the artist is contacted and contracted with  for a high
resolution image or the original negative or transparency.

However such disks are seldom found outside of the publishing world. As
a photographer, I would not want my best work to be digitized at a level
suitable for framing.  I wouldn't mind if some of my fun photo's that I
don't feel have commercial value were scanned in a high resolution
format though.


Bret Marquis
From: kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: SPERM and CD-ROMS
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:45:52 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

In article <wepq8R200WB20JOURz@andrew.cmu.edu>, nl0s+@andrew.cmu.edu (Nathan James Loofbourrow) writes:
> mcnair@slab.unt.edu (SEAN MCNAIR) writes:

> I was having similar problems several years ago, and I found that
> using a green marker pen on the edge of the CD-ROM caused it to read
> much better. To prevent this sort of problem in the future, I
> recommend vigorously rubbing the surface of your CD-ROMS with a light
> water-based spermicide.
> 
> nathan

Another reason cd-roms should stay in their cases when not in use!

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From: martelli@cadlab.sublink.org (Alex Martelli)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,comp.periphs
Subject: Re: "Erasable" CD-ROMs
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:55:52 GMT
Organization: CAD.LAB S.p.A., Bologna, Italia

ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant) writes:
	...
:Bearing in mind what you've said about their (un)reliability, are
:either of these drives using the CD-MO (CD-magneto-optical) standard
:specified in the Orange Book part 1?

Sorry, I'm not familiar with the standard you mention.
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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: MC1073@MCLINK.IT (Giuseppe Lancia)
Subject: Various
Reply-To: Giuseppe Lancia <MC1073@MCLINK.IT>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:23:02 GMT

to: Steve Roth - steve@eastend.jpr.com
Thanks a lot, I will wait the next edition of those CD-ROMs.

to:  joseph cossette <joec@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>
CICA stands for "Center for Innovative Computing Application" at Indiana
 University, FTP site ftp.cica.indiana.edu (129.79.20.84), as reported on the
 internal label of the CICA  CD-ROM distributed by Walnut Creek CD-ROM.

to: ALL
What about my $299 Mitsumi CRMC-LU002 CD-ROM + interface card w/ COMPTON's
 MULTIMEDIA ENCYCLOPEDIA? I bought it from Insight Computers and it seems to me
 a good deal. (is it "deal" the right word? Sorry for my english...)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: Monty Solomon <monty%roscom@think.com>
Subject: Re: FRAUD ALERT - CD-ROM vendor
Reply-To: Monty Solomon <roscom!monty@think.com>
Organization: Proponent
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 00:14:08 GMT

In article <ceqesB2w165w@halcyon.com> puma <puma@halcyon.com> writes:
> First of all, (sic) is used when you are quoting someone, and you know
> that the quote contains an error - you point out by using (sic) that
> you are aware of the error and are allowing it to be included so that
> the quote is accurate.

From Webster:

sic
[L, so, thus   more at SO]
intentionally so written   used after a printed word or passage to indicate
that it is intended exactly as printed or to indicate that it exactly
reproduces an original (said he seed [sic] it all)

-- 
# Monty Solomon / PO Box 2486 / Framingham, MA  01701-0405
# monty%roscom@think.com
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: ARNOLD@MICRODES.MHS.COMPUSERVE.COM
Subject: Re: Whine...
Reply-To: ARNOLD@MICRODES.MHS.COMPUSERVE.COM
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:45:24 GMT

To: CDROM-L POSTINGS

I seem to recall seeing a message (but I cant't find it)  on the CD-ROM
forum of Compuserve in regards to this problem.  I believe that Creative
Labs has a fix for this problem. You should try to contact them.

- Arnold Jones
arnold@microdes.mhs.compuserve.com
======================== Original Message =============================

> I have a SoundBlaster Pro with its internal CD-ROM Drive.  When no Audio
> CD is playing, and I have the CD volume setting in the Windows-based SB >
Pro Mixer very high, I get an annoying high-pitched whine coming out of >
my little desktop speakers.  This is especially noticeable when I have > a
windowed DOS shell visible with large amounts of text scrolling. >
> Is this normal?  Should I get one of those round ferrite cores and wrap >
it around my speaker cable just outside of the SB Pros jack?  Any >
suggestions?
>
Xref: sparky alt.cd-rom:3716 comp.os.msdos.apps:5183 bit.listserv.medlib-l:1978
From: hsr4@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,comp.os.msdos.apps,bit.listserv.medlib-l
Subject: WARNING: SilverPlatter & MEDLINE
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:12:56 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

A colleague has just drawn my attention to a letter in The Lancet (Vol. 340,
Oct. 10th. 1992, pp915-6) concerning the use of SilverPlatter and MEDLINE,
from Clive Adams, Carol Lefebvre, and Iain Chalmers.

For those without immediate access to the Lancet, the essence of the letter is
that SilverPlatter can, under certain circumstances, run out of memory to hold
the results of searches without any warning being given.  Thus it is possible
for SilverPlatter to produce fewer citations than might be expected, and if the
same search is rerun at the same sitting, still fewer citations will be
elicited.

SilverPlatter (London) are quoted as responding:

"SilverPlatter is grateful to the University for bringing this problem to our
attention.  This difficulty came to light as a result of the searches that the
unit was running, which made considerable demands on a limited amount of memory.

The unit's computer meets our basic requirements and can therefore be seen as
adequate for the job.  We were able to run the search correctly by use of a
larger amount of expanded memory, and have been able to isolate the difficulty
as the way in which memory is handled by the computer.  Of course, this bug
should not have occurred, and we regret this; our programmers have isolated
the problem and we are rectifying it at the moment.  Commonly throughout the
computer industry the increasing sophistication of retrieval software naturally
leads to a greater use of a larger amount of memory.  SilverPlatter prides
itself on being able to offer a very large range of features using a minimum
amount of memory, but inevitably there will occasionally be a conflict between
the demands of the user and the capacity of the machine being used, and the
difficulty identified by the University of Oxford is one example of this."

Adams et al say:

"We feel that people undertaking MEDLINE searches with the SilverPlatter system
should be aware that the system's ability to produce consistent output is
questionable.  Until these difficulties have been resolved, we recommend that
searches should be replicated several times, with the use of the 'restart'
command on each occasion.  The 'save history' command may be used to avoid
having to retype the search strategy."

---

Please advise anyone who uses SilverPlatter and MEDLINE...

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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: rose@galtee.cs.wisc.edu (Scott Rose)
Subject: Re: $160 CDROM drive from CompuAdd
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:43:59 GMT

In article <16880BC05.ST21519@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU> ST21519@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU writes:
>>This is the cheapo Matsushita drive, I'll bet.  The CompuAdd price is $169.
>>We have one of those obtained from a different vendor.  The access time is
>>850ms, which ain't great.  On the other hand, the price is right, it includes
>>a controller and cabling and a headphone jack and a volume control and
>>software.  I guess I'd say that it's a great choice if you want something
> 
>Can we assume it is caddyless?  Can you daisy chain a couple off the one
>controller?

It is caddyless.  I forgot to mention another downside of this drive-- the
driver takes close to a minute to load.  This was the case on three separate
machines in which we installed these drives.  That's an aggravation if you
are booting often.

As for daisychaining-- nothing in the docs indicates that this is a 
possibility, nor do I recall any jumpers on the drive that suggested the
possibility, nor does the cable support it.  So I wouldn't get my hopes up
on that issue.