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From: spok+@cs.cmu.edu (John Ockerbloom)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.mud,rec.games.mud,rec.games.mud.misc,rec.games.mud.admin,rec.games.mud.diku,rec.games.mud.lp,rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: alt.mud.logs,alt.mud.logs.d,alt.mud.fiction,alt.mud.fiction.d
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:11:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Bz5p2o.G58.2
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

[Followups set to alt.config]

In <1992Dec11.030109.16251@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu writes:
>Well, the proposed rec.games.mud.* additions: *.logs, *.logs.d, *.fiction,
>and *.fiction.d., all failed, I open discussion on creating analogous
>groups within the alt. hierarchy.  [...] I think there's enough interest
>out there for these groups to exist... let's have some comment.

Well, this is alt, so nothing's stopping you from creating the groups,
though there's also nothing stopping site admins from deciding not to
honor them.

Considering that fewer than 100 people were interested enough to vote
YES to any of the groups (ignoring for the moment the larger number of
people who voted NO), I'd say that there's enough interest for a
mailing list, but not for newsgroups.

I haven't seen much in the way of MUD fiction anywhere, but what there
is could easily be posted to one of the existing MUD groups.  As far
as logs go, generally interesting ones could also be posted to those
groups as well, so long as they didn't violate any privacy concerns.

The trouble is, most MUD logs I've seen posted have been completely
uninteresting unless you either were one of the people involved, or
close acquaintances of the people involved.  The small number of YES
votes cast for the log groups seem to bear this out, as (IMO) does the
log excerpt included at the end of the RESULT post in n.a.ng.  Mailing
lists (the best medium for limited-interest topics) and the existing
newsgroups (for more general-interest posts) would best suit your topics.

John Ockerbloom
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Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.arts.books
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF)
Subject: Re: alt.fan.catch-22 (Was: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.fan.anne-rice)
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 13:27:57 GMT

In article <forb0004.138.724235522@student.tc.umn.edu> forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu (Eric Forbis ) writes:
>In article <Bz5H4o.GHM@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec12.031403.25703@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF) writes:
>>
>>>Hey!  I got an idea!  How about a group called alt.fan.catch-22?  I've
>>>always been a big fan of Joseph Heller's masterpiece.  Yossarian Lives!
>>
>>Could it be put anywhere other than alt.fan?  How about
>>alt.books.catch-22?  (Yes, I *know* it was a movie.  The book came
>>first.  Ppppbpbpbpththth.)  alt.fan has become so bloated it's
>>practically misc.misc.
>
>I enjoy Heller's book as well, but why would you seriously consider the 
>formation of a group for a single book, yet veto a group for a growing 
>collection of best sellers by Anne Rice? 
>
>Jeez, alt.books.catch-22 hasn't even gone through its mailing list phase 
>yet... Whatta gyp.
>
>How do you feel about going for a "alt.books.anne-rice" instead of simply 
>another entry to the bloated fan classification?
>

Don't make the mistake of thinking you can win.  You can't.  Catch-22.
From: detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: alt.conservative.forum
Keywords: conservative
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:32:25 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

** This article includes text from a previous posting regarding **
** the establishment of this group.                             **


>I would like to formally propose a new group, alt.conservative.forum, 
>a moderated group to discuss conservative values and assorted political
>goings-on from a distinctly right-wing standpoint.

I am very glad this idea for this newsgroup is out for discussion.
There are many occasions where discussion of conservative views and
ideologies are crossfired by extremists on the left.

>Rationale:  Let's face it:  the net is infested with liberals.  I won't
>say this is either good or bad, but the fact is there.  Another fact:  
>some jerks with distinctly left-wing tendencies like to post to groups like
>alt.fan.rush-limbaugh and post tons of gibberish about everything
>conservatives stand for, without factual defense of their positions.

The above paragraph says it all, not that all of the discussion is
not useful or interesting.

>A moderated group would cut out this gibberish and allow reasoned, intelligent
>discussion of the issues facing the country and the world.  Intelligent
>conservatives (and I will propose intelligent liberals as well, since, 
>contrary to popular conservative opinion, such animals do exist) will be
>encouraged to participate in our discussions.

I do not like the idea of a moderator, I think this could cut down on
postings from the extreme right and from some in the center of
conservative thought.  We do not need more flame wars, but we as
conservatives are inclusive, not exclusive.  All would be welcome to
submit the opinions and their ideas, and it will be up to those who
use the group to decide if they are worth addressing.  Regardless if it
is correct or not, or does not fit the conservative mold perfectly, if it
will enhance the discussion of the ideology then it should be posted.



-- 
David De Trolio - (detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu)
--------------------------------------------------
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An Era of Strong American Leadership
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: New group proposal:  alt.conservative.forum
Followup-To: alt.config,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:21:40 GMT

In article <m0iVVB6w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
>> I would like to formally propose a new group, alt.conservative.forum, 
>> a moderated group to discuss conservative values and assorted political
>> goings-on from a distinctly right-wing standpoint.
>[...]
>> A moderated group would cut out this gibberish and allow reasoned, intelligen
>> discussion of the issues facing the country and the world.
>Is it just me, or is there a teensy little contradiction here?

It's just you.

Actually, it's not just you, and because it's not just you, and because there
are a million such flamers just like you, I think the group is a good idea.
It's quite understandable why someone might want to post from a conservative
viewpoint without getting flamed merely for daring to suggest that they want
intelligent discussion.
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
From: bur@ultisol.gsfc.nasa.gov (MAC)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.questions
Date: 20 Dec 92 01:10:07 GMT
Organization: NASA/GSFC code 923

In article <BzJ74J.911@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
>In article <BzJ00A.9nu@unix.amherst.edu>, twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) says most sayishly:
>>Don't we already have misc.misc?
>
>misc.misc is too misc.  It has more than just questions.  People
>reporting stuff, saying things.. IMO, trash.
>


Oh, you don't say?  How, pray tell sammy 'ol boy, would alt.questions be
any less misc than misc.misc?  You mean alt.questions would be for the
questions only?  One would have to go to alt.answers for the answer?
How about if there were a disagreement about an answer?  Would that be
taken to alt.debate, or alt.flame?

This sounds like Usenet to me.  The net is full of people asking questions,
all you have to do is figure out what group would most likely give you a good
answer.

In short I think this group is a lousy idea, but if you want to create it
go ahead.  It won't be the dumbest group out there, just one of 'em.

		TTFN,
		  M
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.culture.ny-upstate
From: dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: New newsgroup proposal: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 03:51:47 GMT

Well, I created it anyhow, but because I got flamed beyond belief afterwards.   
It might be a good idea to talk group a bit here.  (New flames sent by mail  
will be returned to their senders ignored).  Like I said, it was already  
created, and traffic is surprisingly high.

Alt.culture.ny-upstate is a newsgroup intended for discussion about the people,  
places, events and culture of the region of New York State outside the New York  
City and Nassau/Suffolk County (Long Island) metropolitan area.  The group's  
concept is similar to that of alt.culture.alaska and alt.culture.oregon.

Questions that might be asked, so I'll answer them now ...

* WHY NOT A GROUP LIMITED TO NEW YORK STATE, FOR INSTANCE NY.UPSTATE?

There are many displaced people from Upstate New York (UNY), particularly  
regions that were hard hit during the early 1980s recession.  Despite the large  
amount of colleges in UNY, there are many students that attend school outside  
the state.  Still others may have job offers from the region and want to know  
what to expect in their future home.  Ny.* groups cannot be received outside  
New York State.   

* WHY NOT DISCUSS UPSTATE NEW YORK ON ALT.GREAT-LAKES?

Alt.great-lakes is intended to deal with topics specifically related to the  
Great Lakes.  Outside of Buffalo, Rochester, Dunkirk, Oswego and the other  
regions along Lake Erie and Ontario, the Great Lakes plays a very small role in  
UNY.  Incidentally, most alt.great-lakes discussions deals with Michigan.   
Although this may be a broad generalization, people in Geneva or Binghampton  
could care less about Frankenmuth Christmas Village or the Upper Peninsula.

Any other questions may be answered by posting a message to the net or by  
sending me mail.  Thank you for your consideration and interest! 

--
   Dan Tasman                                       dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu
                                                     molson@rever.nmsu.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth "the Lesser")
Subject: Re: New newsgroup proposal - alt.quotations
Organization: Generic American College Kids (G.A.C.K.)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:09:37 GMT
Reply-To: slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth "the Lesser")
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NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

mgm@world.std.com (michael g moncur) writes:
> 
>...and besides, "alt.motd" sounds like another soc. group...  Like
>motss and motos.  Members of the Day?  I dunno.

`alt.motd' (Members Of The Dead) is bogus, having been replaced by
`soc.necrophilia'.  :-)

Really, the function of alt.motd seems to me to be more appropriate for
apocryphal sayings, stuff you "just made up," Best of talk.bizarre, etc.  For
alt.quotations, we want the real stuff only, correctly worded not misquoted,
with citations of original sources, I should think.  If there is an
alt.quotations FAQ, it will probably include a list of known apocrypha as well
as frequently-cited quotations.  For alt.motd, on the other hand, it doesn't
matter if it's real, so long as it's funny, provocative, or just plain weird.

Seth L. Blumberg          \ Warning: This posting has been determined to cause
slb22@columbia.edu (play)   \ cancer in laboratory animals.  Please make sure
sethb@ctr.columbia.edu (work) \ that no white mice are allowed to read it.  
    > No one I know shares my opinions, least of all Columbia University. <
Xref: sparky alt.config:8013 alt.fan.monty-python:10087 alt.fan.letterman:2115 alt.fan.dave_barry:1114 alt.fan.pratchett:3735
From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.fan.monty-python,alt.fan.letterman,alt.fan.dave_barry,alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.tv.mash
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:05:41 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School
Followups-To: news.groups
Disclaimer: I don't represent Dartmouth and Dartmouth doesn't represent me.

In <1gor7mINNjav@coral.bucknell.edu> norbeck@pleiades.cs.bucknell.edu (Naughty Nukes NY in her 1999 Nissan) writes:

>Proposal:  alt.tv.mash

No objections, but... I don't think I've seen a single M*A*S*H subject thread
in a tv newsgroup in years.

Why now?

-G
--
geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU - Computing Support Consultant, Tuck School of Business
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Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.sexual.abuse.recovery,news.admin.misc
From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Sherri)
Subject: Re: CFD: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery.* new newsgroups
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:14:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec7.195104.15414@u.washington.edu> cloister@stein.u.washington.edu (cloister bell) writes:
>>need 3 new groups, but one new one, "alt.sexual.abuse.recovery.d" would
>>probably be a good idea; it might provide a place for a lot of the
>>meta-discussion (like this :-).
>
>yep.  flames belong in e-mail, and the admin traffic could go just fine in
>asar.d.

	Yes, but in general, people don't even agree on what messages
are and are not flames.  How will we ever agree on what is and isn't
administrative or 'Meta-discussion'.

Sherri



Newsgroups: alt.config
From: dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
Subject: Re: This is ONLY a concept
Organization: Columbia University, Dept. of Biological Sciences.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:12:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.130806.12064@nevada.edu> thealien@nevada.edu (Minstrel Alien) writes:
>
>
>		Since I have no idea whether this would be appropriate, 
>any response would be welcome.
>
    One thing I can say is don't create a group with the idea that it will
stimulate discussion. I almost certainly won't. There are groups where BOC
can be discussed. Only if from ongoing debate on those groups it seems clear
that a a BOC group is neccessary dshould you create it.

   If you haven't already, think up an interesting question about the group
and post to whatever newgroup is correct. See what the responce is. If it
isn't good, then creating a new group won't help.

DanZ

-- 
This article is for entertainment purposes only. Any facts, opinions,
narratives or ideas contained herein are not necessarily true, and do
not necessarily represent the views of any particular person.  

Newsgroups: alt.config
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Re: Alt.quotes newsgroup?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:52:34 GMT

In article <Bz3166.66I@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <rdippold.724039568@cancun> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:

>>>Anyone interested in a alt.quotes newsgroup, where interesting
>>>quotes or proverbs can be shared, or traced? 

>How about alt.prose.quotes?  Or alt.prose.quotables?

good lord, folks, lets not be so techincal. Whats wrong with a nice, simple
group name like alt.quotes? Why do we have to add .discussion (as if people
need that in a group name to discuss something! this isnt alt.config.d,
is it?) or alt.prose.quotes. Wont we want quotes from poets in this?
I mean, all of shakespeare is poetry. Will we ban Will S from a.q?

keep it simple: alt.quotes should work fine, and everyone will know
what is meant.


Newsgroups: alt.config
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.tv.saved.by.the.bell
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:01:14 GMT

alt.exploitation?

Perhaps there's some confusion -- I meant Saved By The Bell,
the teen-oriented comedy television show on NBC (I think --
my local NBC station does not carry it, but it's on cable...)

If there's anyone interested, please let me know -- maybe I can set up
a mailing list for it.

Scott




Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.fan.anne-rice
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:25:47 GMT

In article <forb0004.139.724276248@student.tc.umn.edu> forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu (Eric Forbis ) writes:

>[I wrote:]
>
>>Your argument here
>>could easily be used on any non-technical mailing list at all; the
>>thriving existence of such lists contradicts you.
>
>And your argument could be used against half the groups already existing on 
>usenet.

Indeed.  There are far too many groups already.  Where the mailing
list argument fails is primarily in terms of volume -- if the traffic
on a mailing list gets too busy, then it should probably be converted
into a newsgroup just for the sake of wear and tear on the net.

>The "thriving list" argument doesn't hold much water; there are over 
>a million readers of usenet, yet not a tenth of that number use lists 
>actively.

Where do you get those numbers?

>The mailing list idea has been beaten to death here, yet not a single 
>potential anne-rice user has come out in its favor. Pretty clear indication 
>of what they want.

I'd say they don't care.  If the list was to be started now and
heavily publicized in the appropriate newsgroups, I'd bet you'd see
the traffic you're looking for in there.

>Another post (the one where you grew enthusiastic over starting an alt group 
>for a single book, Heller's Catch-22-- talk about narrow focus...)

My comments on Catch-22 were limited to suggesting that alt.books
would be a better place for that.  That hardly constitutes "growing
enthusiastic."  The book is a favorite of mine, but I can't imagine
why someone would want a newsgroup or even a mailing list just for
that topic.
-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: bur@ultisol.gsfc.nasa.gov (MAC)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL : New group alt.swimming-with-clothes
Organization: Yes.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:49:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.171125.17494@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> pvs9@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (Praktikum Verteilte Systeme) writes:
>
>[proposal deleted]


I urinate on you and your proposal.  Go ahead and swim in that.

Of course, this is all IMHO.


Ta-ta for now,
M
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: jamie@cs.sfu.ca (Jamie Andrews)
Subject: Re: alt.pub.cloven-shield
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:23:48 GMT

In article <Bz2osq.CG9@knot.ccs.queensu.ca> conner@qucis.queensu.ca (Mike Conner) writes:
>Everyone is just soooo uptight around here.

     IMHO, what happened is that some people made some cynical
remarks, and some other people interpreted them as being
uptight.  The fact is, as others have pointed out, it will be
TECHNICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to rename alt.dragons-inn.  As you, but
perhaps not everyone, knows by now:

(a) the only way of renaming a group is to remove the old group
    and create a new group;

(b) there are people who automatically re-create "alt" groups
    whenever anyone deletes them;

(c) even if (b) were dealt with, there are missed communications
    and mix-ups at individual sites that cause deleted "alt"
    groups to be re-created net-wide; and

(d) no, we can't do anything about (a)-(c) in the foreseeable future.

     No one is "uptight about" and "trying to block" the
renaming of alt.dragons-inn; they're just cynical, and a bit
tired of having to explain (a)-(d) every time someone comes into
alt.config with a bright new idea.

     Maybe we should have a FAQ about this.

>The solution: CREATE alt.pub.cloven-shield, make it as accessable as
>possible (tell everyone why it is to be created, giving the complete
>history problem) and leave poor old alt.dragons-inn to fester in the
>sewer of discarded alt groups.

     Well, if you want alt.pub.cloven-shield, you are *less*
likely to get support for it by citing alt hierarchy problems as
the *reason* for its creation.  The creation of new groups *is*
the problem.

--Jamie.
  jamie@cs.sfu.ca
"The Tao's net encompasses the whole universe."  - tao te ching
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.mud,rec.games.mud,rec.games.mud.misc,rec.games.mud.admin,rec.games.mud.diku,alt.mud.t-rev.stomp.stomp.stomp,rec.games.mud.lp,rec.games.mud.tiny
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF)
Subject: Re: alt.mud.logs,alt.mud.logs.d,alt.mud.fiction,alt.mud.fiction.d
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 02:35:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.133913.21067@oz.plymouth.edu> j_herlih@oz.plymouth.edu (Axl) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.030109.16251@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF) writes:
>>Well, the proposed rec.games.mud.* additions: *.logs, *.logs.d, *.fiction,
>>and *.fiction.d., all failed, I open discussion on creating analogous
>>groups within the alt. hierarchy.  Jim Miller, the master of Secret Ninja
>>Logging, is still interested in serving as moderator of *.logs, and I'm
>>trying to find out from Tank Girl if she still wants to moderate
>>*.fiction.  I think there's enough interest out there for these groups to
>>exist... let's have some comment.
>
>	Christ, give it up, willya?  The majority has spoken, so just
>accept it.  Make a mailing list or something.  There certainly isn't
>any justification for a newsgroup (alt.* or not) with so diminutive an
>audience.
>*Humor Alert*
>rec.pets.fish gets more traffic than your *.log groups would :) :)
>--
>-Axl @)-->--- 
> j_herlih@oz.plymouth.edu - "There can be only one"

The majority opposed adding these groups to rec.*.  They did not vote on
whether there should be groups of this sort at all, as there was no
question concerning this on the ballot.  Seventy-some people indicated
interest in the groups for whatever reason.  As the groups prosper and
succeed, perhaps more will take up the banner.
Newsgroups: alt.config