HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bkeener@cs.ulowell.edu (Brian E. Keener)
Subject: Re: Allen's Wrench, or Why Ask Psi?
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:24:41 GMT

Due to the statement encouraging comments about things on this NG, and also
	due to the fact that the first of a series of mine is almost ready
	for posting, I have decided to respond to the call for comments.
I thought that the story was well-written, and the action intense enough to
	keep my interest.  Confusiong point... were the two guys watching the
	tape during or after the event occured?
Finally, I believe that the story could stand on its own, even without the
	included storyline summary.  Good work.

							-MetalMaster (Ed)
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From: ghost@next07epsl.wam.umd.edu (.)
Subject: intro to an inquiry......
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:24:33 GMT



hello 'Punks....ahmm.....this the first time looking at these cyberpunk
newsgroup..is there an FAQ (or you all just say fuckitt and flame the  
newbies :) ).....wh at goes on in the Chatsubo
From: torben@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Random Tox)
Subject: Re: Lupine Character Types
Keywords: Wolf
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:30:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.170911.3305@digi.lonestar.org> lvogt@digi.lonestar.org (Lee Vogt) writes:
>Interestingly enough, the term 'lone wolf' is a bit of an oxymoron, as wolves
>tend to run in packs.  IMNSHO, I think its a 'dangerous predator' thing.
>Wolves have an undeservedly bad reputation of attacking people - it's a LOT
>rarer than folklore claims, but it can happen.  The main characters in most
>cyberpunk novels tend to be rather predatory sorts themselves, thus the
>association.
>

	It's just a repulsively overused cliche that continues to be
overused by the lesser authors trying to make their characters seem
tougher. It should be stomped out. How many people are realistically
called "Lone Wolf" anyway?


-- 
(C) 1992 by Random Tox and The Durex Blender Corporation
All Rights Available at the Door, No Reservations.

	"If this is the place for you, then herd."
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: tkk1283@zeus.tamu.edu (KIM, TAE KYONG)
Subject: REQUEST FOR VISSER NIGHTS
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:23:00 GMT

Would sombody please repost the Visser Nights series?
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: bnishiya@abacus.bates.edu (Brian Nishiyama)
Subject: Re: Lupine Character Types
Organization: Bates College, Lewiston, Maine
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:02:46 GMT
Keywords: Wolf
From: palmer@cco.caltech.edu (David M. Palmer)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Re: Lupine Character Types
Date: 11 Nov 1992 18:32:44 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu
Keywords: Wolf

The door swings open: "Stand and Deliver!"

"Not on your..." says the new red-bordered hole in the wall.

"Let that be a lesson to you all," Dennis Moore said, "I've got two bazookas
here, I know one of them isn't loaded but the other one is, so that's one
of you dead for sure, well just about for sure, I haven't had much practice
recently..."

"What do you want?" asked a woman.

"Give me every Lupine you've got."

"We haven't got any Lupines."
"Honestly."

"Look," I happen to know this is the Chatsubo, where lone wolves hang out,
you there, what's your name?"

"Running Wolf" admitted the Native American/Indigenous Person/red injun.

"O.K. come with me,"  Moore said, "anybody else."

A gangly creature stood up in a red-illumniated corner of the room
and twiddled his voder with the eighth and twelfth tendrils of his
trunk, "I'm from a planet around Wolf 359, does that count?"

"Good enough, come on.  And you in the wool, you're not fooling
anybody.  You too 'Grandma', those big teeth are a dead giveaway.
How about you sir?  Are you a lone wolf?"

"Close, I'm a lone shark."

"Doesn't count, I guess that's everybody now.  I'll be back for the Foxes
on Friday night."

--------
Yet another pointless posting from  David Palmer

Dennis Moore is property of Monty Python.  Unauthorized used will result
in a 16 ton weight being dropped on you.

-- 
		David Palmer		 palmer@alumni.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Jay Brandt (Argus))
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Re: ADMIN: a.c.chat archives
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:58:49 GMT
Followup-To: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Organization: University of Oregon, Architecture
NNTP-Posting-Host: aaa.uoregon.edu

In article <1992Nov5.093535.28432@nmsu.edu>, oroboros@acca.nmsu.edu (The
Wyrm Ouroboros) wrote:
> 
> Due to some unforseen circumstances, one has been out of contact for some
> short time.  One was hoping that either A: some kind soul has been archiving
> a.c.chat for anon FTP, or that b: some kind soul has been saving the 'UN/Aliens'
> storyline.  Naturally, one was hoping that, if either are true, one could
> acquire the address for the first, or the information from the second.
> 
> Please return contact.
> 
> Ouroboros
> The Wyrm of the .Net

The Archives are available by anonymous FTP at
<catalina.opt-sci.arizona.edu>, and are mainteined by Hubert Bartels.

Enjoy,
Argus
From: li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis Rostykus)
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Lupine Character Types
Keywords: Wolf
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:31:24 GMT

Uhm... folks, before this line gets too much further, please put the ADMIN
string in it so those that don't want to read it can just kill the thing?

Thanks.

-- 
Liralen Li           | "Looking down on empty streets, all she can see
aka Phyllis Rostykus |  are the dreams made solid, the dreams made real"
li@inigo.Data-IO.com |                       - Peter Gabriel, _So_
From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Re: Lupine Character Types
Keywords: Wolf
Date: 12 Nov 92 06:01:48 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Nov9.170911.3305@digi.lonestar.org> lvogt@digi.lonestar.org (Lee Vogt) writes:
]Interestingly enough, the term 'lone wolf' is a bit of an oxymoron, as wolves
]tend to run in packs.  IMNSHO, I think its a 'dangerous predator' thing.
]Wolves have an undeservedly bad reputation of attacking people - it's a LOT
]rarer than folklore claims, but it can happen.  The main characters in most
]cyberpunk novels tend to be rather predatory sorts themselves, thus the
]association.

Lone wolves are those that are forced away from their pack because they are
too old. They don't live too long alone because they can only hunt so much and
usually waste a lot of energy getting their kills. It is indeed their predatory
nature that makes them compared with lone humans with similar dispositions.

-- 
Patrick Chester            |----------------------------------------------------
wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu |"The earth is too fragile a basket in which to keep
Politically Incorrect      |  all your eggs." Robert A. Heinlein
Future Lunar Colonist      |"The meek shall inherit the Earth. The rest of us
#^%$!! Militarist          |  are going to the stars." Anonymous
(Of the Sun Tzu mentality) |----------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: teo33398@eng-nxt05.cso.uiuc.edu (Theodore E O'neal)
Subject: Re: ROBO-COPULATION
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:26:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.042959.25420@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> 

(a lot of really weird stuff that I skipped over, but it looked funny
   anyway!)

sgreever@nyx.cs.du.edu (Steven Greever) writes:
> Please!!!! I don't mean to sound like flame bait but what kind of
> drugs have you been all taking??  I find your discussions stupid and
> offensive.  Sex can and should be only between mongamous partners
> who can have children together.  Everything else is not sex; it is
> SODOMY.  Please take the rest of your discussions to alt.sodomy, because
> some of us with different sensibilities do not want to see this in our
> other newsgroups.  I suppose there are people under 18 reading this 
> board too; such un-genteel discussion is NOT for their ears (or mine,
> for that mater)  The Bible tells us the meaning of sex; why should we go
> against it?

	Look I hate to get mad at someone in a group when this is my first
time through, but step back into the lurker zone man.  This is  
alt.cyberpunk...what did you expect alt.cyberpunk.good.Xristians?  If  
you're looking for either converts or even a sympathetic ear, this is the  
wrong place.  Cyberpunk is about loss, pain, sex, death, disillusionment  
and degradation.  Much like the real world, much like the history of  
Xristianity.  Folks don't want to hear about what you think of what the  
world should be like because they're operating with what the world is.
	Robot sex is fine.  Mechanical rape is fine.  Replacing every limb  
of your body or every chip in your head is fine.  Shooting up on drugs  
because the real world isn't good enough is fine...according to _these_
rules.  Nobody here cares what your book says sex should be.  Instead of
trying to force your outdated values of life on  other people, maybe you  
should try and understand _my_ books for a change.  (Xristians hate it  
when you try and make _them_ do something!)  Read _Neuromancer_.  Read  
_The Boomer Bible_.  Read _Logan's Run_.  Go out and buy one, just one,  
Sex Pistols album.  And try and understand them.  Open up your mind and  
let that fat masochist Jesus out.

		This has been a public service announcement by...
From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Neuromancer, Count Zero and MLO: trailers
Keywords: casting directors Gibson trilogy
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 15:07:12 CST
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

rhogan@aludra.usc.edu (Ronald Hogan) writes:

> And for a complete wildcard, Robin Williams as Dixie Flatliner.
> Think about it.

ROFLMAO!!!

That's quite simply brilliant!
--
Roy M. Silvernail --  roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu - OR-  cybrspc!roy@cs.umn.edu
  perl -e '$x = 1/20; print "Just my \$$x! (adjusted for inflation)\n"'
        "What do you mean, you've never been to Alpha Centauri?"
                                               -- Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz
From: jordag@cary103.its.rpi.edu (Lord of the Vampyres)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: CyberHero
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:58:25 GMT
Reply-To: jordag@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

the name absolutely turns me off...simply because i agree with people in previous postings that there are NO hereos in cyberpunk. The coindence that survival makes some characters look heroic is all that happens in cyberpunk. So a game with the name CyberHero just does not grab my undivided attention.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: dmatiske@nd.edu (David Matiskella)
Subject: Re: OMNI and Cyberpunk Article
Followup-To: alt.cyberpunk
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:44:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.005342.1@acad3.alaska.edu>, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
wrote:
> 
> What does anyone or everyone think about the Article in OMNI magazine about
> Cyberpunk..?? Latest issue (November)
	Pretty Bad. I hate lines like " these hackers have the ability to start a
Golabal econmic collapse " and the like.  I find that these articles lead
to fear mongling and the like and rarely do they mention any of the
postiive points about cyberspace. Instead we have a young super-"hacker"
with no morals who can destroy the world. I guess it is because of
technical ignorace but I would have thought that the average reader of a
magazine would be more technoligcally aware so they wouldn't have to resort
to garbage that gets shown on the TV for public comsumption.
From: jessec@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Women in CP/Industrial Culture?
Date: 11 Nov 92 03:01:05 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Nov9.050951.26975@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, 
ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (liquored up and horny) writes: 

> When it comes to women authors, check out the likes of Kathy Acker,
> for one[...]

   Funny-- I'm remembering how it was that I ran across my first Kathy 
Acker novel (the only one I've made it all the way through, so far), 
*Empire of the Senseless*, by way of a review in *Science Fiction EYE*.  I 
couldn't resist picking it up when I read that *Empire of the Senseless* 
was in part a parody of *Neuromancer*. :-) Actually, the reviewer (Paul Di 
Fillipo) mentioned that Gibson and Acker had subsequently met and become 
friends of a sort...


   --Jesse.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: miodeen@buddha.ncc.umn.edu (Mike Odeen)
Subject: Re: William Gibson
Organization: Nutrition Coordinating Center, University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:33:04 GMT


Keywords:Jerry Quine 


Hey Tom...

You've mentioned a couple of times that you contributed the name "Jerry Quine"
to _Neuromancer_.  

But in the book, as well as in "Burning Chrome" the character is Bobby Quine.

So whats the deal...?  Did Bill think Bobby sounded better or what...


BTW... Bought your book, found it stuffed behind a rack of books at Barnes
and Nobel...  you might wanna have a talk with these people...


-- 
Michael J. Odeen
miodeen@buddha.ncc.umn.edu
From: v067rcyf@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (AARDVARK)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: CP Music
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:48:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92301.122532BDA108@psuvm.psu.edu>, BDA108@psuvm.psu.edu writes...
>On the subject of Cyberpunk music, all through the 80s industrial music like
>Skinny Puppy and Front Line Assembly have been making music that embodies the
>true cyberpunk attitude.  Not to mention the new industrial bands of the late
>80s and early 90s like NIN and KMFDM.  On the subject of KMFDM, i recently saw
>them in concert, you'll never find a better way to get large groups of people
>who, wether they know it or not, are true cyberpunks.

i'd like to argue that NIN isn't at all industrial, but rather pop music.
granted there is quite a lot of industrial touches, not to mention pure
hate, but it just doesn't qualify.

i read an interview with trent reznor where he agreed with the
interviewer that his music wasn't industrial.

and yes, i realize the following he has by the industrial lovers, like myself,  
but to put him there just doesn't seem right to me.

as for KMFDM, they've got a great techno-industrial sound, most definitely,
but at a show here in buffalo, the audience had lot of non-cyberpunks.
lots-o-"preppies" and the regular concert-goers, who aren't even punkish let
alone cyberpunkish.

but, yes, about half the crowd was cyberpunk, whether they knew it or not.

hell, what do you care?
nevermind...

                             ------aardvark
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ploof@griffin (Scott B Ploof)
Subject: Cyberpunk Stories Wanted
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: net
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:43:12 GMT

			Cyberpunk Articles wanted

In December I will be releasing the first internet release of Legacy magazine,
a "beer and pretzels" E-Magazine for the ibm/compat system.  Legacy will try
to have a little something for everyone, a couple articles, a couple stories,
artwork...both in vga and ansi, some loaders.....the usual food of computer junkies.

However....we would like to have a section set aside for Cyberpunk stories,
those heavy techno stories that pop up around the net once and a whlie.

If you have any of these, or know of any authors who would be willing to put 
there work into nationally launched magazine please have them respond to:

Ploof@uvm-gen.uvm.edu   OR   Ploof@uvm.edu   

The magazine will have wide FTP spread plus I have some people willing to 
launch it LD to 4 of the larger boards on the East Coast.

Please...submit your articles......

Complete Credit will be given to any works handed in.......

Scott Ploof

(Does anyone have some bad-ass artwork....vga or ansi?)

LEGACY FTP SITE:    141.214.4.135   /projects/legacy
please send everything either to this address or to me


Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ratner@owlnet.rice.edu (Logan Joshua Ratner)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Essays/etc. on sexism in Cyberpunk
Organization: Rice University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:46:39 GMT

In article <1dht7dINNov2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> kxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen Hardy) writes:
>
>In a previous article, jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) says:
>>rclarke@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>> Could anyone please tell me where I could find/get 
>>> essays/articles/papers on sexism in cyberpunk?  I have a feminist 
>>> friend who always calls me a sexist pig because I happened to have 
>>> read a few cyberpunk books.
>>
>>does she give an reasons -why- she considers cyberpunk to be
>	<steps up to make a minor point>
>	The gender of this friend was not mentioned. Therefore, assuming
>	said friend to be female is in and of itself sexist. Which, to 
>	some extent, proves said friend's point. :)
>
>hth
>Kitten

>-- 
>Do you like the dark?
>Do you like the way it moves?
>Do you come alive when neon kills the sun?

There are many feminists who hold that ONLY women can be feminist.
Under this sort of definition, it is not unreasonable to call the
friend a female.

Just depends upon who you figure to really be sexist, the post's author,
or the feminist...

And in any case this does not prove the point that possession of Cyberpunk
books implies sexism.  A rediculous proposition in any case.

ratner
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
From: vender@plains.NoDak.edu (Does it matter?)
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:44:10 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network
Keywords: Delinquency, ugliness, and Deviance

Delinquency, Ugliness, and Deviance?  If these are the only crimes I commit
  in my life, I will be a just man, sir.  Perhaps someone needs to explain
  why these are not evils?

Delinquency?  What right do I have to stop anyone from experimenting
  in order to judge right from wrong?  Is this not how we learn as
  children, by making mistakes?  Did not man eat from the tree of knowledge,
  and thus learn good and evil (although are children appear to have forgotten
  it :)?  Did not God (the Christian one from the bible anyway) give man
  dominion over the animals and the land (and presumably all of his later
  machines and devices)?  I suggest, oh man of God, that you do not
  lecture us children so much, as we may turn from your path of righteousness
  before we stumble upon it on our own.

Ugliness?  Do you refer to evils and imoral acts, or merely to physical
  character?  Are we not given free will to act as we will?  Is it not
  possible that the many are mistaken, and the dispised few may in fact
  be correct?  Again, I suggest that you judge not lest thee be judged,
  as your savior taught.

Deviance?  Is the expression of love to another human in a manner
  appreciable and non-damaging wrong?  Were not the prophets of old
  thought insane by their brethren?  Is any act undertaken for
  the proper moral reasons, and judged to be of benefit to be considered
  evil merely for its novelty?  I suggest, my brother, that you be more
  specific as to your charges, so that I may more easily correct
  my ways.

Do as you will, for it is the only instruction a just individual does
  need.
--Brad
From: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: My Life With The Thri
Date: 7 Nov 92 23:04:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 

>       Basically, NO!  MLwtTKK doesn't belong in rec.music.industrial.
> Not by a long shot.  If anything they would belong in alt.alternative (even
> though there isn't one), rec.music.misc will have to do.
>       And WITHOUT ANY DOUBT THEY DON'T BELONG IN ALT.CYBERPUNK and
> ALT.SEX!!!!!

PS> I always classified them as a little industrial.  The techniques 
  > they used in mixing and editing seem to be quite similar to those
  > of industrial bands.  However, They belong in alt.cyberpunk as much asyou d
  > in discussing them/their music.  That may be here, or may not, but
  > please don't make judgements as to who belongs where.  All you have a right
  > to say is whether you belong somewhere.

No shit.  It's getting to be a little cloistered in here, huh Pete?

Mykel


 -- SPEED 1.20 [NR]: When you shoot a mime, should you use a silencer?
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: William Gibson
From: mimir@stein.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:38:26 GMT
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society

In article <1992Nov9.201226.20445@netcom.com> tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox) writes:
>In article <aDNwTB1w165w@cyberden.uucp> aarnold@cyberden.uucp writes:
>>Actually, Wm. Gibson is on the Internet, as I've heard from somewhere. 
>
>	You've heard wrong.  Gibson is not on the Internet or any other
>nets, conferencing systems, or BBSs.  

 And he would be insane to get on them considering what would happen to
his mailbox and his posts.

Wassail,
Al
From: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Left-Right Continuum (was
Date: 7 Nov 92 23:14:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 

ACC> I'm not familiar with _Upwingers_, but this comment about the 
   > the left-right continuum concept is one I agree with.

ACC> The idea of a political left and right tries to reduce all political thoug
   > into one degree of freedom (one dimension, that is.)  IMHO, this concept
   > has been obsolete for years, because reality is more complicated.

Much.  But it seems to be a classic situation that I've read into a little.
People are associative, by nature of being social animals (no shit, Mykel).
People are also confrontational/aggressors by nature of being hunters 
(among other things).  These things would seem to be somewhat at odds with
each other, and seem to produce just such a reaction.  It's classicaly

      US vs. THEM

Whoever "WE" are, whoever "THEY" are.  I consider myself a moderate, but that
term really only has significance if there is are extremists of any type.  And
isn't the term extremist just another inflammatory statement?

Of course, this is me over-simplifying a rationale of an argument that
is itself against over-simplfication.  I will now proceed to carry my
large piece of wood up to Golgotha (sp?).  I'm just trying to make pleasant
conversation.

Mykel


 -- SPEED 1.20 [NR]: Using DEVICE=EXXON may corrupt your environment!
   
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