From: franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: A question for any MALE prolifer
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:51:18 GMT
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

In <1992Apr13.173215.24962@nwnexus.WA.COM> jbrindle@nwnexus.WA.COM (Jennifer Brindle) writes:

>franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) writes:

>even bother".  You show a hell of a lot of respect there, buddy, and don't
                                                           ^^^^^^
                                         When did we becmoe friends jen?

>So, I ask you again, (not that you'll answer because you probably don't 
>understand the question and therefore won't "bother")....What equivalent
>responsibility do you propose for the male who got the woman pregnant?
   There can be no equivalent responsibility that you see fit? You would
like men to gain 5 pounds in each of their breasts, wear 30 pounds around
their belly, have a desire to eat wierd foods, and wake up cranky in 
the morning. This just can't be. So, the closest thing a man can give a woman
is support, love, and time. If this isn't enough for you, then I feel sorry
for you, and wonder what kind of guys you attract.

>You know, I feel exactly the same way---why take the chance?  Once a woman
>jams that coat hanger inside her uterus, there's no turning back.
  What is your point? If the woman had proper support, there would
be no need for the coat hanger jen

>Uh, excuse me, but isn't that "copping out"?  You said virtually the same
>thing with regard to abortion---those who can't handle it are copping out
>by having an abortion.
   Okay - you're right. the ideal situation is to KEEP the child. However,
I tell you, an adoption is certainly the "lesser of two evils" when
compared to abortion. Abortion results in the end of a life.

>And, so college-student Steve, are coat hangers.  I am old enough to remember
>news stories of women who were so desperate as to jab a coat hanger into 
>themselves in an attempt at abortion.  It wasn't pretty and it was often 
>deadly.  I don't want to go back to that--ever.  You don't seem to care.
   I care Jen. I care for the millions who die at the hands of abortion
clinics. The women who die at the hands of coat hangers are desperate because
of society's pressures on them. This is little different than manslaughter
or suicide. I feel for the woman more than you know Jen, but even moreso,
I want to see the abortions stop. There are always men and women who will try
and take an other life by their own means. Politics calls them murderers.
Pro-lifers call them abortion clinics. If eradicating abortions meant that 
millions of unborn children were saved then so be it.
   If eradicating abortions meant that society must respect the pregnant
woman and help her through it, not forcing her through a coat hanger
abortion, then so be it. 
   I can see envision the reality of both of these scenarios, and i truly
don't think you will be able to halt them. 

>Jennifer

steve



















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