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Subject: Giants and Free Trade Laws
From: jimbo@csusb
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:44:08 PST
Organization: California State University, San Bernardino
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Topic:  Giants and Free Trade Laws

It seems to me that baseball owners are in violation of
the free trade laws governing US business.  As there is
no such thing as a city "deserving" a baseball team, clubs
should have the right to come and go if they so desire.
Afterall, nobody stopped General Dynamics from leaving
California and relocating to Georgia due to better economic
conditions.  The same legal principle should involve baseball.
Of course, we all know that the owners (and baseball in general)
have not been abiding under the same laws other folks have since
the game became BIB BUSINESS.  Perhaps after the next round of
hearings in Congress.  But then I"m just dreaming.  Again.

From::"Jimbo% CSCUSB@nic. CSU.net
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: defensive range ratings...
Date: 7 Nov 1992 18:33:22 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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I had a quick question for the stat guys. How, basically, are the range
factors figured out? Is it just the number of putouts? Assists? What? The
Brewers have a pitching staff full of fly-ball pitchers (Navarro, Wegman
and Eldred) coming back next season (I assume Boz will be gone). Do these
factors take into account the tendencies of the pitching staff? I haven't
looked at many of the final results, but I can't imagine many AL players    
having better range factors than Yount at CF and Listach at SS. I still
think that catch by Yount to extend the Brewers' season by one more game
(running in, fully extended, robbing Willie Wilson of the probable game-
winning hit in the 9th or 10th inning) was possibly the best I've ever seen.

But I digress, how are these range factors figured?

--salty

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From: kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey)
Subject: Re: jints to stay
Keywords: Giants
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:38:14 GMT

In article <BxK56o.DoF@encore.com> jlundy@bilbo.encore.com (Joe Lundy) writes:
>In article <11NOV199209172130@mary.fordham.edu>, nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim) writes:
>|> The hated jints will remain in SF after all.  
>|> This means that they will play in the *worst* facility in Major League 
>|> Baseball, Candlestick Park, for 1993; indeed, they will play there for
>|> years to come.  How fitting; they deserve the worst. 

Hey Leonard, it was your own Peter O'Malley who lobbied the owners
to reject the sale.  

>Commissioner Bud Selig (acting) announced this yesterday.  Just how powerful
>has the ownership cartel become?  The power to make an owner take $15 million
>less for a product he owns? 

From what I've heard and read, Lurie himself voted against the sale.
Maybe he decided that it was worth $15 million to *not* be the 
most hated person in the San Francisco Bay Area for years to come.

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From: jdozois6@mach1.wlu.ca (james dozois 9208 G)
Subject: blue jays
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:57:23 GMT

Does anybody know who is on the Blue Jays protected list?
Thanks.

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From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
Subject: Re: 5 truly unbreakable records.
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 18:44:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.162403.12458@informix.com> barrym@informix.com (Barry Mednick) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.060801.15252@muddcs.claremont.edu> karaki@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kurt*z* S. Araki) writes:
>>In article <92309.122328RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> writes:
>>>3) single season slugging average.  4.000.  bill lefebvre, 1938;
>>>   buster narum, 1963.
>>Don't forget Jamie Quirk, sometime in the 80's.
>Not quite.  Quirk hit a HR in his only AB with Cleveland in 1984.
>But, he had 2 AB with the White Sox that same year.
>Franklin lists only the two men above as having 1 HR in 1 AB.
>----------------

another point about this kind of "record": legitimate records, IMHO,
represent the peak (or valley) of past human achievement. they are
of the nature that if Superman came down to earth and picked up
a bat or a ball, he could break them.
some of the records i see in this (primarily interesting) thread
simply represent the physical or mathematical nature of the game -
so who cares? if anyone can do it, what's the big deal?

what's next? most hits per at-bat? (1, tied by everyone in history?)


sorry, didn't mean to be *too* harsh, but it is worth thinking about, IMHO

--
charles
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Standards for defensive statistics
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:11:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.202936.19679@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> mjw@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Michael Wolverton) writes:
>
>On the other hand, it could be that a better offensive
>analogue to DA would be something like RBIs/ABs -- this is still
>"successes" / "opportunities", but everyone would acknowledge that the
>second-order teammate factors are playing a *huge* role in determining
>this number.

IMHO, RBI/AB is closer to RF than to DA.  They are both the
first-order approximations; the "occurences per play".  A closer
analog to DA would be RBI/RISP-AB; the only plays counted are those
where the player has some chance of success.

But you are correct.  While consistency indicates that *something* is
being measured, it doesn't prove that what we are measuring is what we
*want* to measure.  (Though I believe DAs generally differ between
platoon players on the same team, so DA is probably measuring
something about the player in question.)

-Valentine
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From: steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Subject: Available AL players
Summary: players who aren't on the protected list.
Keywords: expansion draft
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:22:36 GMT

The Following is the list of all AL players who
1)  Are not on the protected list (unprotected, FA, retired)
2)  Had an above average OPS for their position
3)  Had over 100 plate appearances.

Disclaimer:  I'm not saying that these players should be acquired by the
expansion teams.  I just thought it made interesting reading.

C:  Matt Nokes
    Lance Parrish
    Terry Steinbach
    Jeff Tackett
    Lenny Webster

1B:  Mark McGwire

2B:  Joey Cora
     Mike Gallego
     Lou Whitaker

3B:  Wade Boggs
     Rene Gonzales
     Tim Hulett

SS:  Felix Fermin
     Jeff Huson
     Manuel Lee
     Andy Stankiewicz
     Dickie Thon
     Alan Trammell
     Randy Velarde

LF:  Mel Hall
     Candy Maldanado
     Kevin Reimer

CF:  Ellis Burks
     Kirby Puckett
     Robin Yount

RF:  Dante Bichette
     Tom Brunansky
     Joe Carter
     Dion James
     Chito Martinez
     Joe Orsulak
     Juan Samuel
     Ruben Sierra
     Danny Tartabull

DH:  Chili Davis
     Glenn Davis
     Brian Downing
     Jim Leyritz
     Paul Molitor
     Dave Winfield

Coming soon -- the NL list!

-- 
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic

  "It is considered good to look wise, especially when not 
   overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
From: sgs@stein.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Birthdays
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:56:43 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Baseball Birthdays

November 9
Bob Gibson, 1935
Harvey "Gink" Hendrick, 1897
Dorrel "Whitey" Herzog, 1931
Dion James, 1962
Johnny Gooch, 1897
Ted Higuera, 1958
Archie "Moonlight" Graham, 1876

--Steve
-- 
 sgs@u.washington.edu             * "Now, Piniella or Davey Johnson I
 Steve Smith                      *  could live with. But what about
 University of Washington HR-20   *  Chambliss now that Baylor's snatched?
 Seattle, WA 98195                * 		--Me
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From: mattb@ssc-vax (Matt Baney)
Subject: Re: Ripken wins Gold Glove!!!!!
Reply-To: mattb@ssc-vax.boeing.com (Matt Baney)
Organization: Boeing Aerospace & Electronics
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:01:52 GMT

In article <92310.073225KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>  The Baltimore Sun reports this morning that Cal Ripken won his second
>consecutive Gold Glove, and will have a press conference today to announce.
   Hopefully the press conference will be for him to refuse the award
   since he really didn't do anything this year that would make him 
   even remotely worthy of a Golden Glove and since there are
   obviously several shortstops of note in the league who were more 
   deserving of the award both in fielding and hitting this year.  
   It just goes to show that these awards are nothing more
   than a junior-high-ish popularity contest!!!!!!  And have nothing to
   do with real skill, performance, or talent!!!
>Glove (a travesty in my opinion, at least one of them should have this season)



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Date: Sat,  7 Nov 1992 15:42:14 -0500 
From: Young-Soo Che <yc25+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Reds/Yanks Trade
	<1992Nov7.003118.23957@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
Distribution: na

 
>  Yeah - makes no sense - Kelly was one of their best trade prospects for 
> getting a good starting pitcher. And to resolve their draft status,
they could
> have traded Kelly plus Snow and maybe somebody else for a top pitcher. But,
> NOOO! Steinbrenneritis has set in once more.
 
I totally agree with this guy.  What the Yankees have always needed most
is good pitching.  They're now about two starting pitchers away from a
contending ball team.  One would be D.Cone who has voiced his want to
come to the Yanks, and trading Roberto Kelly along with a couple other
players to any team for a quality pitcher, could have been the other. 
But instead, they just blew it.  No matter how good O'Neill is, or can
be at Yankee Stadium, it's just not worth it to the Yanks, so it was a
terrible deal for them.  Besides, I feel that Roberto is defintely a
better all-around player.  Don't the Yanks want to get rid of their
outfielders, which they have too many of?  Doesn't a good team also want
an even share of lefty-righty batters?  When will they ever learn?  

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From: rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke)
Subject: Re: Cubs Protected List
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:10:35 GMT

In article <37038@cbmvax.commodore.com> weir@cbmvax.UUCP (Robert Weir - Manuals) writes:
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
>>>Pitchers -- Bullinger, Castillo, Hollins, Morgan, McElroy,
>>>	      Scanlan
>
>Where's Mike Harkey? He's a solid #3 starter. Do the Cubs think
>teams will pass on him because of injury history? 
>
I hope he is not chosen by either team.  He was looking good in his few
games last year that he played.
>>>Catchers -- Walbeck, Wilkins
>
>I'm not familiar with Walbeck. Was he in AA in 1992? Wilkins over 
>Joe Girardi seems plausible, but Walbeck over Girardi?
>
Wilkins is a solid palyer.  They can afford to take a chance with
Girardi because they have been blessed with great catchers.
>>>Infielders -- Buechele, Grace, Sanchez, Sandberg, Vizcaino
>
>Cubs start the season with a veteran 3rd baseman. Mon dieu! But
>where-o-where is Shawon? Do the Cubs figure his contract is too
>large? I don't think the Cubs would miss him too much. He's 
>done well, but not so well as expectations go. Sanchez or Vizcaino
>would fill out SS.
>
Stupid move here!!  The Cubs will protect him after the 1st round
if they can.  I'll bet he will go in the 1st round though.  He had
a great bat last year until he got hurt (I think it was about .315).
>>>Outfielders -- May, Sosa (after a Sosa year)
>
>Dwight Smith left unprotected? Kiss him bye-bye.
>
You said it!!
>
>What are the chances to resign G. Maddux? He'll ask for the moon,
>but of all the pitchers available, he and Cone are worth the 
>money. They win and throw a lion's share of innings.
>
>Are the Cubs giving up on Andre?
>
Andre is implying that he wants to either play out the rest of his career
in Chicago (now unlikely) or play for the Marlins in his home town,
Miami.

Look for the Cubs to go on a buying spree with all the free agents.
I'd love to see Kirby Puckett out there in the outfield picking balls
out of the ivy in Wrigley (Also hitting them past the ivy) for the Cubs.


Rob
Cubs in '93 (or sometime in this century; I'm not too picky.  Just sometime)
>
>
>
>
>RSW
From: RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 5 truly unbreakable records.
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:51:10 GMT
 <1992Nov6.060801.15252@muddcs.claremont.edu>

i did not forget jamie quirk.  year by year slugging averages for
the quirkster:

    1975  .333  <>  4.000
    1976  .325  <>  4.000
    1977  .330  <>  4.000
    1978  .276  <>  4.000
    1979  .443  <>  4.000
    1980  .399  <>  4.000
    1981  .320  <>  4.000
    1982  .308  <>  4.000
    1983  .326  <>  4.000
    1984 1.333  <>  4.000
    1985  .368  <>  4.000
    1986  .370  <>  4.000
    1987  .345  <>  4.000
    1988  .408  <>  4.000
    1989  .235  <>  4.000
    1990  .413  <>  4.000
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From: fass@math.uwaterloo.ca (The FASS Theatre Company)
Subject: Re: Greatest moments in baseball history
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:03:15 GMT

I guess my favourite moment came during this year's American League
Championship Series.  Scoring 5 runs off of arguably the best reliever
in baseball was fantastic.  It's the greatest comeback I've ever
seen.

Lee.
From: srubio@garnet.berkeley.edu (Steven Rubio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Greatest moments in baseball history
Date: 9 Nov 1992 15:42:01 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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Summary: Dodgers suck

Re: the difference between the number of World Series won by the Dodgers
(I'd look up the number, but no one cares about that team anyway) vs. the
number of WS won by the SF Giants, I can only say that if the team moves
to Florida tomorrow, it won't matter to me one way or the other.

But, since it is looking more and more like the team will stay at
Candlestick, I will add this to Dodger fans:

NYAH NYAH!

(OK, but it's the best I can do, given my team's lack of World Series wins.)

-- 
Steven (I'll sleep when I'm dead)
From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: NL ROY--Karros
Keywords: ROY
Date: 6 Nov 92 08:29:27 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <4NOV199209523500@mary.fordham.edu> nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim) writes:
>Dodgers first baseman Eric Karros became the National League Rookie of the 
>year with 22 of 24 possible first place votes.  He is the 12th Dodger to 
>attain this honor.  Jackie Robinson was the first (in 1947) and Steve Sax was 
>the 11th (in 1982).
[...]
>{humor on}
>Nelson Lu is reputed to be in deep mourning over this award.  His contempt
>for the 22 voters knows no bounds.  
>{humor off}

Karros gets little respect here; it was reported that 
"Dodger 1B George Karros was named ROY" ...
	   ^^^^^^




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From: silber@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: You thought Zim cursed the Rockies.....
Organization: Dept. of Computer Sci - University of Illinois
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:02:00 GMT



>A dugout coach is kind of an alternate brain for the manager, throwing
>out ideas to the manager so he doesn't become complacent or anything.

I'm not sure that Zimmer qualifies for this then, having apparently no
brain of his own. (That man has to be one of the worst in-game managers
I've ever seen. On the other hand, it may have had to do with coaching
the Cubs. I think that when you manage the Cubs, you have to get a lobotomy
or something. ex. Lefebvre's decision to bat Sosa lead-off.)

.
-- 
ami silberman - janitor of lunacy
	silber@cs.uiuc.edu
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From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Subject: Re: Yankees protected list
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:01:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.091438.4421@Princeton.EDU>, you write:
|> 
|> As to 3b/ss, remember that they can only lose one player in the draft.

  Huh?? Why is that - did they pay off the new teams to only take 1 of their
players? All the other teams can lose up to 3 players!!

|> The Yankees have too many 1b/dh type players.
|> Tartabull/Maas/Snow/Mattingly.

  Mattingly can still play 1st - but Mass and Snow probably never will. Trade
'em both! Danny is much more valuable than the other guys in that group.

|> Tartabull can play of, but then one of Williams/Williams/O'Neill has to sit.
|> Not that that is a bad idea, with Gerald Williams.

  Yep. I'd platoon Danny with O'Neill - with Danny DHing lots of times when he
isn't playing right! With Barry Bonds in left and Bernie in center - they'd be
in good shape in the OF. 

|> But that still leaves someone out, and if they sign Bonds that leaves
|> someone else out.

  It's good to have a deep bench you know!

-Ron
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Mmmm... Purple)
Subject: Re: Mattingly, what a fine fielder (was: Hardly not etc.)
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:50:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.235721.7949@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:
>In <1992Nov06.223650.37426@watson.ibm.com> mjones@fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Mike "Becoming my favourite Poster!" Jones) writes:
>>I presume, then, that we will never see a posting from you discussing Babe
>>Ruth, Honus Wagner, Ted Williams, Willie Mays, etc., etc., since you didn't
>>see them play? You're foaming at the mouth again, Roger, and as usual you
>
>Well I certainly am not about to go around claiming that "in my opinion" 
>Mays was a better fielder than Ruth.  Most of us would accept it though
>without having to refer to any statistics.

Was Babe Ruth a better hitter than Bob Uecker?  How do you know?
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
also at quibeaux@uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
From: mspede@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 5 truly unbreakable records.
Date: 11 Nov 92 08:42:15 PST

In article <1992Nov10.191116.21749@athena.mit.edu>, cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
> In article <1582.2afe38cb@atlas.nafb.trw.com> mspede@atlas.nafb.trw.com writes:
>>In article <92312.155110RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>, RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu writes:
>>> i did not forget jamie quirk.  year by year slugging averages for
>>> the quirkster:
>>> 
>>>     1975  .333  <>  4.000
>>>     1976  .325  <>  4.000
>>
>>    {data deleted}
>>
>>>     1989  .235  <>  4.000
>>>     1990  .413  <>  4.000
>>
>>
>> This discussion of Jamie Quirk reminds me of another little tidbit.
>>
>> According to my Franklin, the Quirkster had at least 1 ML AB every year 
>> from '75 to '91.  When you consider that he has (as of '91) 2089 total 
>> AB's, he has averaged less that 125 AB's/year for 17 years.  That's a lot
>> of bench time or minor league time, or both.
>>
>> Anybody else (non-pitchers, of course) hang on for 15+ years while averaging
>> less than 120 AB's.
>>
>> P.S. The Franklin doesn't keep PA or BB totals.... :-(
>>
>> Mark Pede
> 
> i don't know for sure but i would bet there are some, considering
> that there are/were a number of pinch-hitting specialists in the
> NL late in their careers 
> (rusty staub comes to mind, but i don't know his career stats).
> 

  Actually, I thought of Staub and Manny Mota, but they don't qualify.  Too
 much time as full-time players.  Kurt Bevacqua, however, comes close !

 mp

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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Reds/Yanks Trade
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:13:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.083642.18293@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>
>(Speaking of which, the Village Voice rumored that Nokes for Greenwell
>was a possible deal.)

Hm!  Now *that* is a deal I could live with!  Nokes sucks defensively,
but he plays a *swell* DH, and hits better than Greenwell (at least
recently).  Even over their careers, Greenwell doesn't have *that*
much of an advantage.

And if Pena could help Nokes with his release?

-Valentine
From: bm562@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard L. Trionfo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Today's the day
Date: 10 Nov 1992 16:26:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


    Sometime today the MLB owners may do the dumbest thing on
the face of the earth.  They may keep the Giants in San Francisco.
No disrespect for the loyal fans in the Bay area, but the other
people who don't give a damn about a new stadium out there 
screwed you over.  The Tampa group presented a valid offer, and
only then did the San Francisco group give an offer which is
still less than the Tampa offer.  
   Who knows, maybe the Giants will play 40 games at each stadium
if the Frisco deal goes through because this thing will be
in court for a while if there is only one National League team in
Florida.
                  Rich
From: jplee@zeus.calpoly.edu (Jason Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: AL:  Cy Young contenders and pretenders
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:02:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: zeus.1992Nov13.000218.144568
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <w9p1l2#@rpi.edu> sullis@vccnw13.its.rpi.edu (Sean C. Sullivan) writes:
>
>PITCHERS        W  L   ERA   G GS CG GF SH SV   INN   H   R  ER HR  BB  SO
>ACKER,J         0  0  5.28  17  0  0  3  0  0  30.2  45  19  18  4  12  11
>APPIER,K       15  8  2.46  30 30  3  0  0  0 208.1 167  59  57 10  68 150
>BROWN,K        21 11  3.32  35 35 11  0  1  0 265.2 262 117  98 11  76 173
>CLEMENS,R      18 11  2.41  32 32 11  0  5  0 246.2 203  80  66 11  62 208
>ECKERSLEY,D     7  1  1.91  69  0  0 65  0 51  80.0  62  17  17  5  11  93
>GUZMAN,JU      16  5  2.64  28 28  1  0  0  0 180.2 135  56  53  6  72 165
>MCDOWELL,J     20 10  3.18  34 34 13  0  1  0 260.2 247  95  92 21  75 178
>MORRIS,JA      21  6  4.04  34 34  6  0  1  0 240.2 222 114 108 18  80 132
>MUSSINA,M      18  5  2.54  32 32  8  0  4  0 241.0 212  70  68 16  48 130
>
>Here are the 1992 stats.
>I'll let the rest of you debate about 'who should have won'.

The heck with Eckersley.  Jim Acker should have won.  What a travesty!!!

:)

JLee

-- 
Jason Lee
email:  jplee@poseidon.calpoly.edu
GO ROCKIES 1993
Don Baylor for President!!!
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