HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: Bye, For Now
Originator: barnhart@gagme
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 00:21:08 GMT

This is in reply to edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope), who wrote:
:Hello, It's em. again :)
:
:I just wanted to say ciao, for now, to s.c.a.a  My internship is ending today
:(yayyy!!!!!, I dont like working as I'm sure you can tell) and headed back to
:school (BOOO!, I'm not to crazy about GT, either).  I figured out
:how to post about a month ago and I've been out of control since.
:Working here at NASA, you would THINK that SOMEBODY would know how to post, but
:I had to figure is out on my own.  I really like this group, but where are the
:sistah???!!!  I only counted about 5, with Gabrielle (I hope, I spelled it 
:right) being the most vocal, or should I say "type"al :)

A couple have been in touch with me by e-mail, and I'll bet
there are a few hundred like them out there, just reading.

I would *love* to see more women posting.  I think that with
the exceptions of the William [middle name deleted] [last name
deleted]s out there, the more who post, the better.  News
readers are getting more sophisticated and people can cut out
a lot of noise if they want.

Perhaps it's that women feel there's always always always, it
seems, too much flaming goin on and *don't* want to be a party
to any exchanges of fighting words.  I mean, c'mon, when
Terrance gets on here and speaks his mind, and then some
knucklehead replies that he'd basically like to fuck up T.
for being who he is, what kind of message does that send
to folks reading?  It says, "Just keep reading and your mouth
shut."

SCAA is one of the most intelligent and interesting groups to
read right now, and not because of two or three people, unlike
many of those comp groups, who seem to do all the posting, but
because lots of people post at least now and then when they got
somethin interesting to say.  Keep it up! And the more the
merrier!!




-- 
Mr. Aaron Barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us -- posting from Evanston, Illinois
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: a74k110@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (Chris Peterson)
Subject: Clinton, Jesse Jackson, and African-Americans
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Reply-To: a74k110@phobos.ucc.umass.edu
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 07:46:32 GMT
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   I was hoping that we could start a discussion on the Clinton strategy
so far in the election to keep Jesse Jackson and the African-American
community at arms length.  This seems to be changing for the better as of 
late, but it remains to be seen how much it changes.  My opinion on the matter
is simply that Clinton's strategy so far is to win the white house, and 
attracting the "regean democrats" vote is essential which obviously
means keeping the African-American community at a distance.  This part is
well known, but I think it is more important and valuable to see what Clinton
will do for the African-American community AFTER he gets elected.  I'v been
following his campaign closely and have heard him give speeches, give
interviews, read policy papers, read about his record in Arkansas, and
observed opinions of African-American leaders about his ideas, goals, policy,
and plans for minorities and African-Americans specifically.  So what I'm
saying is, I think it is FAR more important for Clinton to pay attention
to the African-American community AFTER he gets elected than before.  Indeed,
if he pays a lot of attention to us during the campaign and that causes
him the election, what's the point?  I'm willing to accept him keeping
the African-American at a distance during the campaign in return for
the best president for our cause since LBJ if not ever. I'd like to have 
both, but obviously the latter is more important.  Maybe, now with 50+ days 
to the election, Clinton is looking for a more balanced approach and an
embracing of Jesse, I hope so.  This is crucial to get a high turn-out
and assure a win.  We'll see what happens in the next few weeks. 
Opinions anyone?

-Chris 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Lee:Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:21:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department

slzm9@cc.usu.edu writes:

>In article <stovall.715534629@ficus.cs.ucla.edu>, stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall) writes:
>>>So why can't El Hajj Malik El Shabazz be pansexual as well as the
>>>other folk interviewed for the book?
>> 
>> El Hajj Malik cant be, but Detroit Red can be. 

>   BULLSHIT!!! I don't care about your holier-than-thou attitude but
>even MUSLIMS can succumb to the temptations of the flesh. I have
>witnessed it. So the man you call "El Hajj Malik El Shabazz" could
>have a homosexual encounter and still be that man. However, he
>may have "sinned" against your and his code. People do things they
>might not agree with morally because they are HUMAN.

Of course. But you cant be a MUSLIM if you dont see anything wrong
with it. I was *not* implying that a MUSLIM cant experience homosexual
desire or even succumb to it. I *was* saying that a MUSLIM cannot condone
a homosexual lifestyle.

>   Steve the only thing I would like to blame you for is inflicting
>your code on all of us. We don't all believe the same way you do
>and even if your code suggests that we will all be subject to
>Your code someday, some of us think that we are not subject to
>your code and will never be. I personally think we will all be
>subject to our own code, whatever that is when you die, regardless
>of all the muslims, christians, and mormons that would tell me, respectively,
>I'm going to "roast in hellfire", "burn in hell", and "never see the highest
>heaven."

This is the viewpoint of MUSLIMS who believe in QURAN. I was trying to
express the viewpoint of Malcolm since at the end he was a MUSLIM who
believed in QURAN. I was not trying to slam anything down anyone's throat.
Why is everyone so upset? This is a view held by a lotta brothers and
sisters all over the world. It just violently clashes with the paradigm
of Western intellectualism. Of course, Western intellectuals are so
much better equipped to deal with these matters than, say, the Mujahedeen
who kicked Russian ass in Afghanistan.

_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: Re: Lee: Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:51:27 GMT

barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart) writes:

>This is in reply to stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall), who wrote:
>:HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>:
>:>The Muj (as that crypto-fascist David Horowitz called them) may have
>:>kicked Russkie ass out of Afghanistan, but I still have major
>:>problems with them, as I do with Islam, around women's issues. Same
>:>with Iran, but of course, the wrong types of women went there trying
>:>to get Iranian women to eschew the chador...Betty Friedan for one.
>:
>:Shoulda sent Cammie Fay Paglia :-) Anyway, the Sufi women from Iran
>              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>*This* is a new one on me.  Do academics get a tabloid
>that I don't know about (besides, of course, Spy)?

>She has been featured in the past year in the New Re ... ahem,
>THE NEW REPUBLIC and mm mm mmmm, she is a trip.

Sorry. That was kind of an inside joke, since Gaby has publicly and
privately dissed Camille Paglia (who is a hot-shot East Coast literary
theorist), while I have (at least privately) expressed constrained admiration
for her book "Sexual Personae", which doesnt pass the Islamic Jihad
test, but has pretty good insight into the roots of American pop culture.
I think she is *the* American postmodernist fin de siecle intellectual.

Backdraft.
_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: spiff@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Jason Leigh)
Subject: Re: Black History Month Project
Organization: University of Illinois, Chicago
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:51:32 GMT

In article <79151@ut-emx.uucp> larry8@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Larry ) writes:
>
>Steve Allen used to have a show called (I think) Meeting of the Minds in which
>historical figures from different periods would sit around a table and talk
>about various issues.  What about having a Black History 
>Version of this show?  I don't remember whether the characters would discuss
>current events on Allen's show, but I don't see why it would not be possible
>to (for example) have a conversation between M.L. King, Malcolm X, Zora Neale
>Hurston and Sojourner Truth in which they would discuss the Rodney King case and its aftermat
>and its aftermath.  Of course, this would require a great deal of time and

Yes it would be really very interesting! Especially if you parallel
Martin Luther King with W.E.B. Du Bois, and Malcom X with Booker T. Washington.

Jason Leigh

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From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: The real Maxwell's plum
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:03:23 GMT

Commenting on David Johns' recent contribution re black
journalist Bill Maxwell and "the X craze."

I think I said something previously on this board regarding
Spike's new capitalist tool arriving sometime this month in San
Francisco: a clothing store plenty with X caps, outfits from his
movies and the like.  I'll have to agree that he's definitely
making $$$ off this stuff, and it's marketing his movie, too.  I
agree too that, unfortunately, the brothers and sisters are
fastening themselves to an orchestrated image, not the real man.
They are also checking the pre-Mecca, NOI break Malcolm instead
of the post-Mecca, NOI break Malcolm.

It's just like other kids who discover the Sixties and think just
because they wear, smoke, drink, live, etc something from that
era that they know it all.  They don't.  They were either too
young or weren't even around to personally check it out.  They
WISH.

Maxwell says: "He (Malcolm) believed in simplicity in everything,
especially in dress."  I think that is one of the late Mr.
Muhammad's formal rules which governed the Nation of Islam
(meaning the NOI in Malcolm's  time; I can't vouch for Minister
Farrakhan).  He kept it up after he left the Nation.

Furthermore Maxwell says: "For sure, he would disapprove of the
money young sisters and brothers waste on their outfits..."  This
is true.  Didn't we sometimes give up lunch money (rent, books)
to buy some wretched clothes or novelty that wouldn't last 2
months and it would be out of style in no time?  That's another
kind of addiction, folks.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Lee: Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:08:32 GMT

In article <stovall.715980119@ficus.cs.ucla.edu>,
stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall) writes:
>
>Of course. But you cant be a MUSLIM if you dont see anything wrong
>with it. I was *not* implying that a MUSLIM cant experience homosexual
>desire or even succumb to it. I *was* saying that a MUSLIM cannot condone
>a homosexual lifestyle.
>
.
In other words, this is a fight between the realies and fakes...
.
Maybe he was a Muslim in his own mind...
.
>This is the viewpoint of MUSLIMS who believe in QURAN. I was trying to
>express the viewpoint of Malcolm since at the end he was a MUSLIM who
>believed in QURAN. I was not trying to slam anything down anyone's throat.
>Why is everyone so upset? This is a view held by a lotta brothers and
>sisters all over the world. It just violently clashes with the paradigm
>of Western intellectualism. Of course, Western intellectuals are so
>much better equipped to deal with these matters than, say, the Mujahedeen
>who kicked Russian ass in Afghanistan.
.
.
The Muj (as that crypto-fascist David Horowitz called them) may have
kicked Russkie ass out of Afghanistan, but I still have major
problems with them, as I do with Islam, around women's issues. Same
with Iran, but of course, the wrong types of women went there trying
to get Iranian women to eschew the chador...Betty Friedan for one.
.
Nothing at all wrong with trying to (re)gain your independence, but
if you're doing the oppression rag that the colonizers danced to,
what's the difference?  I think Islam needs some "liberation
theology," seriously.
From: carroll@cs.uiuc.edu (Alan M. Carroll)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Remembering Steele
Date: 13 Sep 92 15:34:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: m.1992Sep13.153416.22421
Organization: Technophiles Inc. - Engineers with Attitude

In article <1992Sep12.165127.16223@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu>, johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson) writes:
> In article <1992Sep11.204336.24642@morrow.stanford.edu>  
>      So what did the faculty use as an "argument" to justify their taking  
> control of the study hall? Property rights? Some bizarre technicality?

Probably the most recent Civil Rights Act. Restricting a public
facility based on race is illegal. The only thing the original poster
mentioned them doing to the study hall was removing that restriction -
"made it accessible to everybody".

-- 
Alan M. Carroll          "Weren't there yams involved, too?" - J. Ockerbloom
Epoch Development Team   
Urbana Il.               "I hate shopping with the reality-impaired" - Susan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M)
Subject: Re: Clinton, Jesse Jackson, and African-Americans
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:11:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.175629.10911@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
>I am a poor white southerner, and I have no problems with my political
>party supporting African American issues. I am simply glad that at
>LEAST our party recognizes that we exist. Republicans only care about
>the "extremely fortunate" as it were.

	Political parties don`t care, only people can care.

	The Republican Party represents the interests of
	entrepreneurs and working professionals, black and white.

	These people have homes and families and businesses
	and employees, all of whom need most of their attention
	and resources.  They don't have time to devise grandiose
	schemes to solve the world`s problems because they are
	busy tring to take care of their own.  This is the way
	humans have traditionally looked after each other,
	families and communities bound by loyalty and
	common interest.  The monolithic top-down
	governments of the socialist era are a
	recent and very temporary development,
	and their promises to provide have
	gone largely unfulfilled.

	Most Americans with money are not enamored of the
	social engineering projects which the Democratic
	party idealizes because, as responsible citizens,
	they realize such efforts are monstrously
	expensive and nominally ineffectual.

						Gerard Vignes

-- 

pssres12@ucs.usl.edu	Gerard Vignes, USL PO Box 42709, Lafayette LA 70504 USA
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Seven Prison Cells For Seven Dangerous Criminals
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:02:51 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Sep5.184256.2520@usl.edu>
pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M) decries racism:

[...]
>	We can't pick trial sites, judges, and juries by race,
>	let cops break the law, thugs extract vengance,
>	or continue to excuse inexcusable behavior.
>	
>						Gerard Vignes

Aren't you the same Gerard Vignes who wrote homophobic articles?

Homophobia is morally equivalent to racism. Just substitute sexual
orientation for skin color.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:9261 soc.culture.african:4642
From: tonya@cvedc.prime.com (Tony Alabi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Ota Benga - The Pygmy in the Zoo [concerning the book]
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:26:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: cvedc.1992Sep10.012610.23633
Organization: Computervision Beaverton Oregon

In article <1992Sep06.155159.17311@microsoft.com> tolas@microsoft.com (Tola Soyode) writes:
>References: <Bu4Bry.6Lt@csn.org> 
>Followup-To: 
>Distribution: local
>Organization: 
>
>In article <Bu4Bry.6Lt@csn.org> pvb@teal.csn.org wrote:
>> 
>> Notice of reviews on "Ota Benga -the pygmy in the zoo". This book is reviewed
>> in the New York Times Book Review, Sept.6, page 3. Also in Esquire, Sept. issue
>> page 88. Book is a true story concerning an African forest person who was put
>>
>I am remember visiting the Berlinerzoo (the Berlin Zoo - can't remember
>if there was an actual zoo there at the time) and a German friend of
>mine told me that yonks ago, Africans were often exhibited there as part of the
>fauna.
>
>Does anybody have any references to that?
>
>Tola
>----
>
>===================================================================
>Tola Soyode    - Internet address tolas@microsoft.com             %
>                                                                  %
>All views expressed here are my personal views !!!! I will sue    %
>any entity that tries to plagiarise them !!!!!                    %
>===================================================================

not to contribute to the childish antics on this board, i find it
extremely lame that someone is repeating an insult thrown at him
and people of similar characteristics, by some retarded neanderthal
in the past.

kids, if you don't have anything worthy of learning to share, do not
waste the bandwidth. someone is paying for this.

wake up!!!!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: rao@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ray O'Neal)
Subject: Re: Women Bashing
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 18:51:36 GMT

In article <UedC3qi00Uh_E3Q4ht@andrew.cmu.edu> dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway) writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.africad other anglodefinitionss of black)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Subject: Re: Clinton
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 04:08:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.140717.27437@cas.org> cwm54@cas.org () writes:
$
$      This is my first time on the net and I didn,t use the best format
$
$      but I'm responding to the previous article regarding Clinton's
$      courting of white america by distancing himself from "us".
$      This troubled me greatly at first but the reality is that he
$      MUST do this because of the extreme nature of racism in this country.
$      I'm usually in the minority but I am convinced the overriding factor
$      in presidential elections is race;not the economy,environment etc.,
$      RACE. Ronald Reagan won twice by subtley telling the country he would
$      put us and keep us in our place.(maybe he wasn't so subtle) I believe
$      nobody would be as bad as the Reagan-Bush administration,so by any legal means
$      means necessary I want the republicans out of there. By the way could
$      someone tell me why any black person could even THINK about being a
$      republican? I know democrats let us down but in general they aren't
$      actively hostile to us.

Because for some black people, the Republican Party suits their
interests better than the democrats do.  Personally I think they're
all the same, Reprocrat, Demopublican, etc. (props to Chris Gray) but
that particular party does it for them.  To tell you the truth I have
more respect for Republicans because most of them tell it like it is:
we don't like niggers like you fuckin up the program.  Democrats are
much more sleazy, actin like they're for our best interests, yet when
it's time to produce, come up with nothing.

-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, CIS-Univ. of Minn.                mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu
				            	
	"Arresk the Presidink!"
				-- Popeye the Intelligent Hoodlum
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: Clinton, Jesse Jackson, and African-Americans
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:11:50 GMT

a74k110@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (Chris Peterson) writes:



>   I was hoping that we could start a discussion on the Clinton strategy
>so far in the election to keep Jesse Jackson and the African-American
>community at arms length.  This seems to be changing for the better as of ....

>-Chris 



It is my impression that Clinton is steering clear of the "YOU PEOPLE"
approach as it were. Judging the climate of 1992 he seems quite wise
so to do.

There seems to be some dichotomy coming from the African American 
Community. Either that or a contradiction of terms. For decades there
has been repeated reference to the need for the black community to have
its needs addressed as an entity. And yet when "Ross Perot" addresses
the NAACP and refers to black people as a separate group, there is an 
uproar.


Clinton is wise not to tiptoe through the YOU PEOPLE tulip garden
this year because it is full of land mines. (SBS).
From: dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Clinton
Date: 13 Sep 92 06:25:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8egoxIC00WBOM1XIE5
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 13-Sep-92 Re:
Clinton by "None of ya Bizness"@epx 
> more respect for Republicans because most of them tell it like it is:
> we don't like niggers like you fuckin up the program.  Democrats are
> much more sleazy, actin like they're for our best interests, yet when
> it's time to produce, come up with nothing.

I disagree vehemently and think that this is far too simplistic an
argument.  I've been hearing this argument a lot lately (I guess its the
"in" thing from a lot of young black people, something akin to "Well,
I'm going to vote for Bush because at least then we know we have a
racist in office. ")

This, IMHO, has to be the silliest rationale we can offer.  The current
administration has no respect for us at all.  (and, in truth, this is
not confined solely to the Republican party, its more of a whites with
money thing...)

I don't think anyone would disagree that things have become
progressively worse for a great many blacks in this country over the
past 12 years.  Coincidentally, those same 12 years happened to be
headed by a Rep. in the White House.

BTW I have much more respect for someone who, after his term in office,
commits his time to helping build low income housing for the poor
(former President Carter... incidentally, some of the ONLY housing to
withstand Hurrican Andrew) than the last president who seems content to
live on his sprawling estate writing books and  making appearances.  

Go figure. 

DCAL