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Subject: Info-Mac Digest V10 #175
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:48:24 GMT
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Info-Mac Digest             Tue, 21 Jul 92       Volume 10 : Issue 175

Today's Topics:

      [*] 2-Slot Upgrade Options for the SE/30 (Summary)
      [*] Balloon XCMD V1.0.1
      [*] Battleship 1.1
      [*] ch.eduBBEdit 2.1.3 (Repost)
      [*] Crypto 1.2.1
      [*] Flip A BNDL submission
      [*] MacTurnover 1.2
      [*] MacZip 1.0
      [*] Mariner 1.1c Spreadsheet Utility
      [*] Mazer 3.2.1
      [*] RAMDisk+ v3.14
      [*] Russian Roulette 1.0.5
      [*] TacTickle 1.0.2
      [*] Tetris2000_v1.2
      "Burn My Mackintosh" Sound
      (Q) LC II & FPU
      Apple Laserwriter IIf problems (Q)
      A send/receive internet mailer for Mac - does it exist ?
      Bigger disks in a PowerBook 100? (Q)
      Boston get-together
      Classic upgrade
      DAL, mainframe databases & a Mac front-end
      Database and DAL
      do PB drop characters (A)
      do PB internal modems drop characters too? (C)
      Finder display in K
      FORTRAN
      Further comment on why people still use FORTRAN...
      Has anyone heard of the ANS graphics format? (Q)
      Help: Dead Mac Plus
      IIci Disk Catalog Problems (A)
      Init to allow formatting of disks with bad sectors
      Installing 6.0.8 From a Network
      Japanese Fonts and other questions -- 2nd Opinion
      Languages for numerical computation (C)
      Laserwriter IINT
      Laserwriter utility? (A)
      MacX & the 3-button mouse (Q)
      mag-optical drives - ISO standard? (Q)
      Mass conversion of RTF files to MS word format
      need graphics app for scanned line art (A)
      network help
      Now Utilities Problem (A)
      Optima, Hebrew & fonts otherwise
      Problems with LC and Telnet (Update)
      Reinking cartridges
      Retrospect Error 206
      SAM T4 resolution
      SCSI Ethernet adaptors
      SE/30 Weirdness
      Staggered icons in the Finder (Q)
      Stock/bond/options quotes (A)
      supra question (Q)
      Sys 7 Startup disk fiasco!
      system extensions
      tn3270
      Trick to display precise memory!
      Vax-DDIF to PICT converter?
      Where can I find the stock market? (A) (2 msgs)
      Word Services (Q)
      World Script
      Zoom Modem and Hangup Problems

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 06:21:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: William Johnston <johnston@me.udel.edu>
Subject: [*] 2-Slot Upgrade Options for the SE/30 (Summary)

Summary:  DayStar Digital has announced the development of an
SE/30-specific version of their PowerCache accelerator that
plugs directly into the SE/30 motherboard, leaving the PDS
slot free for video boards, ethernet cards, etc.

This article compares the features of the DayStar SE/30 PowerCache
with two other multi-card upgrade options for the Macintosh SE/30.
It's long;  save a copy and pass it along to other SE/30 users.

[Archived as /info-mac/report/daystar-se30-powercache.txt; 19K]

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Date: 21 Jul 92 12:55 +0100
From: Robert Geisler <geisler@mpib-tuebingen.mpg.dbp.de>
Subject: [*] Balloon XCMD V1.0.1

The Balloon XCMD allows you to add System 7 Help balloons to your HyperCard
buttons and fields. A demo stack and the Think C source are included. Freeware
by R. Geisler, 1992.

[Archived as /info-mac/card/x/balloon-101.hqx; 18K]

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 19:56:51 PDT
From: jafl@Alice.Wonderland.Caltech.EDU (John Lindal)
Subject: [*] Battleship 1.1

Battleship 1.1              The classic game of battleship.
			    Play against the computer or your friend.

[Archived as /info-mac/game/battleship-11.hqx; 156K]

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 18:55:42 -0400
From: siegel@world.std.com (Rich Siegel)
Subject: [*] ch.eduBBEdit 2.1.3 (Repost)

This is the third revision of BBEdit, a free text editor. This revision fixes
a few bugs and incompatibilities that surfaced in BBEdit 2.1, the first public
release, and in 2.1.1, the first revision. The version enclosed is version
2.1.3,
which completely supersedes any previous version.

BBEdit is 32-bit clean, compatible with any Macintosh running system version
6.0 or later, and when running under System 7.0, takes specific advantage
of new features to enhance performance and appearance.

BBEdit is also very economical with respect to disk and memory usage; it will
run in a partition as small as 256K. The size of any file is only limited
by the amount of memory available in BBEdit's partition; there is no 32K
upper bound.

BBEdit offers fast and flexible multi-file search and replace capabilities;
under System 7, it can also use On Location 2.0 as a searching engine. Grep
pattern-matching is available for single- or multi-file searches.

BBEdit may be freely distributed, subject to the conditions specified in
the "Read Me" file, which is part of the distribution archive.

Rich Siegel                              Internet: siegel@world.std.com

[Archived as /info-mac/app/bbedit-213.hqx; 204K]

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 19:59:18 PDT
From: jafl@Alice.Wonderland.Caltech.EDU (John Lindal)
Subject: [*] Crypto 1.2.1

Crypto 1.2                  Encrypt text messages so that ONLY your friends
			    can figure out what they say.

[Archived as /info-mac/app/crypto-12.hqx; 118K]

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 10:42:10 CDT
From: engber@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Mike Engber)
Subject: [*] Flip A BNDL submission

 Flip A BNDL 1.0

 A harmless prank. It flips an application's Finder icons.

 No modification is made to the file itself, just to the copies
 of the icons stored by the Finder. Undo by flipping a 2nd time
 or rebuilding the DeskTop.

 -ME

[Archived as /info-mac/game/flip-a-bndl-10.hqx; 17K]

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 20:02:34 PDT
From: jafl@Alice.Wonderland.Caltech.EDU (John Lindal)
Subject: [*] MacTurnover 1.2

MacTurnover 1.2             A version of Othello.  Play against the computer
or
			    a friend or have the computer play itself.

[Archived as /info-mac/game/mac-turnover-12.hqx; 121K]

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 92 23:42:49 -0400
From: Jeffrey L. Needleman <JNeedleman@MCIMail.com>
Subject: [*] MacZip 1.0

Here's the first version of a MacZip, a program that creates archives in
the IBM .zip format. (There are several Mac utilities that will unzip a zip
archive, but this is the first one I've seen that will create a zip archive
on a Mac.) I downloaded this from America On Line; it's freeware.
Jeff Needleman  <JNeedleman@MCIMail.com>

[Archived as /info-mac/util/mac-zip-10.hqx; 96K]

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 16:44:14 PDT
From: 2034bang%ucsbuxa@hub.ucsb.edu (Steve Bang)
Subject: [*] Mariner 1.1c Spreadsheet Utility

Mariner 1.1c, a "very slick shareware spreadsheet utility" (MacUser,7/92),
offers the following advanced features:

Split window interface (you can divide the window into 4 scrollable panes)
Graphics, charts and styled text fields displayed on the worksheet
Variable row and column size
Individual cell formatting (size, font, style)
Command bar menu shortcuts (point and click on many common menu commands)
Tear off tool and pattern menus
Multiple Undo
Values calculated using extended (10 byte) precision
Data is hot linked to charts (charts are automatically redrawn when
   labels or data are edited, or if a calculated value changes)
Worksheets may be imported/exported in ASCII text
9 basic chart types can be combined to create combination charts
MultiFinder support (large worksheets can be recalculated in the background)

Note: This shareware program ($40) becomes disabled after 28 days.  The
author gives you one week to check it out, then allows the program to
work for 3 more weeks for you to get a registered copy in the mail.


Steve Bang (skbang@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu)

[Archived as /info-mac/app/mariner-11c.hqx; 182K]

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 20:00:55 PDT
From: jafl@Alice.Wonderland.Caltech.EDU (John Lindal)
Subject: [*] Mazer 3.2.1

Mazer 3.2                   Generates mazes. You can navigate through them,
			    fight nasties, and collect prizes to get out.
			    You can also edit and save the mazes.

[Archived as /info-mac/game/mazer-32.hqx; 190K]

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 10:12 CDT
From: "Dwight Lemke @ Wisconsin Oshkosh" <LEMKE@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU>
Subject: [*] RAMDisk+ v3.14

This is RAMDisk+ v3.14 in response to a request. It is the latest version to
be found on CIS.
RAMDisk+ is a cdev that creates a RAM disk (pretty hard to guess, huh?)
-Dwight

[Archived as /info-mac/util/ram-disk-plus-314.hqx; 56K]

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 20:06:41 PDT
From: jafl@Alice.Wonderland.Caltech.EDU (John Lindal)
Subject: [*] Russian Roulette 1.0.5

Russian Roulette 1.0.5      Barrels are placed on the perimeter of an arena.
			    Inside the arena are reflectors.  Shoot bullets
			    into the arena so they bounce off the reflectors
			    and smash barrels.  One of the barrels (you don't
			    know which) will blow up and kill you if you shoot
			    it.

[Archived as /info-mac/game/russian-roulette-105.hqx; 135K]

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 20:04:45 PDT
From: jafl@Alice.Wonderland.Caltech.EDU (John Lindal)
Subject: [*] TacTickle 1.0.2

TacTickle 1.0.2             Strategy board game where two players moves their
			    pieces around on a grid.  The first player to
			    align the correct number of pieces wins.
			    There is usually a severe space shortage, however,
			    so you keep getting in eachother's way!

[Archived as /info-mac/game/tac-tickle-102.hqx; 86K]

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 01:09 EDT
From: "Muhammad B. Setiawan" <SETIAWAN@SSCvax.CIS.McMaster.CA>
Subject: [*] Tetris2000_v1.2

Dear Operator,
I submit the New version of Tetris 2000. It is version 1.2.
This Tetris will work fine in at least 12 inch RGB monitor and
system 6.0.7. This Tetris is an editable software. So one can
modify the pattern, picture etc. This software is made by Think C
version 4.0.2. This software is free and one can obtain the source
codes for $10. With $10 somebody can have the source code and
any modification they need such as the level or "Show Next" menu
If there is many requests on Pascal source codes then I will convert
the program and send the source code for you.

Edvin Aldrian
39 Myrtle Ave
Hamilton, L8M-2E8
Canada, (416) 546 9973

I do not have permanent account, so please send any comments to that
address.

[Archived as /info-mac/game/tetris-2000.hqx; 90K]

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Date: 21 Jul 92 09:18:06 GMT
From: michaelh@xenon.stanford.edu (Mike Hennahane)
Subject: "Burn My Mackintosh" Sound

NORTON@JPL354.JPL.NASA.GOV writes:

>While listening to a new release of an old Count Basie
>(that's jazz, for you younger readers) recording from
>1937, I heard the announcer say, "O mother, burn my
>mackintosh" after a particularly hot number.  At first
>I was quite startled, then I remembered that a mackintosh
>was a raincoat made from rubberized cloth, and is spelled
>differently than our favorite computer.

mackintosh (sp?) is a brand name of stereo; it is all tubes for those
who hate solid state and think that tubes are the only thing that can
accurately reproduce an analog waveform. it is likely that the
announcer was talking about this instead of the raincoat...

--mike

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 16:29:25 +0800
From: bc_wwl@stu.ust.hk
Subject: (Q) LC II & FPU

To: info-mac@sumex-ai.stanford.edu
Subject: (Q) LC II AND FPU

Hi all mac users,
		I'm a newcomer in Mac fans club :)
I don't know much about Mac. I would like to know,
if anybody could tell me, the cheapest fpu or fpu card
that can work in a LC II machine?
		I've been told that fpu and fpu card
work in LC won't work in a LC II. Is it true?
I'll be very thankful if someone could tell me the
answer.

rgds,
	Rickie

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Date: Mon 20 Jul 92 23:07:54-PST
From: "PSI%SPAN.DORNIERF::KROEGER"%ESTCS1.SPAN@STAR.STANFORD.EDU (HANS
KROEGER)
Subject: Apple Laserwriter IIf problems (Q)

Dear Networkers

I have problems with my new Apple Laserwriter IIf (LWIIf) with 5MB Memory
attached to a SUN SPARCstation 2 running OS 4.1.1 with Transcript Software.

Before I had an APPLE Laserwriter IINTX connected to the same workstation
without any problems.

With the LWIIf the prinout is currupted. The LWIIf produces a second page
after each original page. At the top of this second page the header of the
first page is partly repeated - only the header of the first one.

Does anybody know how to solve this problem.
Udo Winkelmann

winkelmann@fn.dornier.de

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:37 EST
From: PC Coordinator <LFINKELSTEIN@vax.clarku.edu>
Subject: A send/receive internet mailer for Mac - does it exist ?

In a previous article, <HEWAT%FRILL53.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
(HEWAT@FRILL.BITNET FAX wrote:
>
>Distribution-File:
>        info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu
>
>My Mac is now almost independent of our central Vax network for
>communication.
>It has its own internet address, bypassing everything except one small box,
>and I can log on anywhere with Versaterm TELNET, retrieve files with
Versaterm
>FTP-client, and even allow FTP remote access to Mac files using FTPd,
recently
>posted to info-mac by Peter Lewis.

How did you get your Mac it's own internet address?

			Just Curious,
			Loren Finkelstein
			LFINKELSTEIN@VAX.CLARKU.EDU

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 18:09:28 MDT
From: vturner@NMSU.Edu
Subject: Bigger disks in a PowerBook 100? (Q)

I bought a 100 with a 20M hard drive, because the price difference between
that and the 4/40 was over $600, and I knew I wanted to upgrade the machine
to 8M of memory.

I also expected to upgrade the hard drive, but was considering getting a 120
for it.

Some of the vendors I have talked to have indicated that these large drives
won't work in a 100, only in a 140/170.  This is depressing!  I got the 100
because I didn't want to lug around a built-in floppy all the time, and
didn't need the blazing fast speed of an '030.

If I can't put any drive bigger than a 40M in it, I'll really regret my
decision to not buy a 140/170.

Does anyone have a definitive answer on this?  I've heard rumors of mounting
brackets, and of a slightly larger size, but I'd like to be sure.

Thanks,

Vaughan
		     VaughAn Turner     Internet: vturner@nmsu.edu
     This signature meets the posting guidelines for the info-mac digest. :)

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 23:30:14 EST
From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Subject: Boston get-together

On Mon, 20 Jul 1992 21:53:53 -0600 you said:
>I would like to know who will attend the MacWorld Expo in Boston.
>We will be in Boston sunday night, monday and tuesday morning and
>if some of you would like to participate in a little get-together,
>it would be fun.

My registration material says MacWorld is TUESDAY through Friday.  If
you leave Tuesday morning, you won't see much of MacWorld :-(

I'm planning to wander through the exhibits on Wednesday and Friday (I
leave close enough to "commute").  I'll look around and see if I can
find some appropriately obvious UConn stick on of some kind (perhaps I
should stick another copy of my electronic mug shot in the archives?)

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 10:13:51 +0200
From: "Dr. Christoph van Wuellen"
<HBO043%DJUKFA11.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Classic upgrade

Me too, I have upgraded Classic --> Classic II.
The strongest argument for this path is that you get a true 68030 Apple
computer. Upgrading a classic any other way just gives you a MacClassic
which is fast, but it does not give you a 'genuine' 68030 machine:
- since the Classic ROMs remain, the OS tells the software it is a
  68000 machine
- you also do not get Color Quickdraw (for the same reason).

So the question really is: do you want to have a fast Classic or do you
want to have a 'real' 68030 Macintosh?
C.v.W.

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 10:37:18 -0400
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Subject: DAL, mainframe databases & a Mac front-end

In comp.sys.mac.digest you write:

>A question I have been asked to which I believe the answer is "Yes" but
>am not sure of more details....

>Is it possible to have a database on the VAX including textual
>information, pictures (typically scanned images), etc., accessible from
>a pleasant Mac front-end giving easy access to information, querying,
>correlation, etc.?  (The data -- at least the textual stuff -- should
>ideally be accessible for normal VMS users by some means too).

    Yup. I don't know about the pictures, but the data should be no
problem.

>As I say, I strongly believe the answer is "Yes", but could do with
>some hints about what sort of software would be needed at the Mac end
>and at the VMS end.  Just how DO you persuade the Mac to make use of
>DAL?  I'm guessing the Mac-end program has to be DAL-aware (like Comms.
>Toolbox-aware programs?).

    What you need is the DAL Develper's Toolkit that you can buy from
Apple. It comes with C and Pascal codes for DAL calls, as well as
Hypercard XCMDs and XFCNs. If you are planning on using an existing Mac
database then you will need to find out if it supports DAL. I know that
4D does, otherwise you will have to develope your own application.

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 07:49:29 -0600
From: wadew@DUCVAX.AUBURN.EDU (Wade Williams)
Subject: Database and DAL

>Is it possible to have a database on the VAX including textual
>information, pictures (typically scanned images), etc., accessible from
>a pleasant Mac front-end giving easy access to information, querying,
>correlation, etc.?  (The data -- at least the textual stuff -- should
>ideally be accessible for normal VMS users by some means too).
>
>As I say, I strongly believe the answer is "Yes", but could do with
>some hints about what sort of software would be needed at the Mac end
>and at the VMS end.  Just how DO you persuade the Mac to make use of
>DAL?  I'm guessing the Mac-end program has to be DAL-aware (like Comms.
>Toolbox-aware programs?).


Assuming you already have a SQL database on the VAX, you just need to tell
the DAL server how to talk to the database.  How you do that depends on the
database.

Then you can use a variety of DAL compatible products such as Excel or Data
Prism and Data Pivot from Brio Technologies to query the database.

If you don't already have the database, you'll need to buy one.  That is
not a cheap proposition.  I.e. you won't be just "playing around" with a
$50,000 database.  If you're in the market for one, I suggest Oracle.  And
they will give you a 30-day trial.

Wade Williams
Academic Computing Services, Auburn University
wadew@ducvax.auburn.edu

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 20:01:40 EDT
From: ZMEG000 <ZMEG%AACC.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: do PB drop characters (A)

    Being a UNIX sysadmin, I don't know if I would blame the
Mac right away. If either the modem on the UNIX box, or your
PB modem are not using the same flow control. You Will drop
characters. UNIX has the great ablity to keep giving a device
info as fast as it can take it. If the flow control does not
halt UNIX from doing this, UNIX will simply over flow the
buffer, causing character drop out.
     Note most Mac modems use software flow control and UNIX uses
Hardware. Although most modern implementations can do Both.
If you have the UNIX machine running right how are the modems set?
     I ran into this problem with Zoom modems. Not even their
Tech line could figure it out. They blamed it on UNIX. In the
Zooms case you have to set all the normal hayes commands for
doing both flow controls, then add a "\g1" so that they will
implement the flow control settings.
     Hope that helps.
Take care,
    Mike
    ZMEG@AACC.bitnet
    or grabenst@umbc3.umbc.edu

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Date: Tuesday, 21 July 1992 2:18am CT
From: Shekhar.Govind@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU
Subject: do PB internal modems drop characters too? (C)

>We've heard plenty about the PowerBook serial ports dropping
>characters at relatively high data rates.  I wonder if the internal
>modems suffer from the same problem.

I haven't had that particular problem with the internal modem on a PB170
(but thats only at 2400 baud).
BTW, working with the "Rest" feature disbaled (option-click on the
Portable cp) seems to reduce the number of characters dropped by the
serial port.

>What's Apple's corporate line?  Do they admit there's a bug?

Last I heard, they were still quibbling about whether it was a
hardware or a software problem ;-)

Cheers - Shekhar.

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 18:30:54 PDT
From: ace@tidbits.com (Adam C. Engst)
Subject: Finder display in K

> How can we go about making our finders display the precise available disk
> space, rather than the rounded-off version?

Check out TidBITS#99/Finder_Fun, which has the proper ResEdit trick
to get this back to normal.

You can get TidBITS#99 in the chunk of files I just uploaded a day
or so ago... it's in the file

  /info-mac/digest/tb/tidbits-091-to-100.hqx

cheers ... Adam C. Engst, TidBITS Editor

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 10:17:17 +0200
From: "Dr. Christoph van Wuellen"
<HBO043%DJUKFA11.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: FORTRAN

Me too, I use FORTRAN every day (maintainig more than 100,000 lines of
code). I use it on workstations (IBM RS/6000) and bigger machines
(Cray Y/MP, Fujistu 2600 etc.).

FORTRAN is well suited to heavy numerical computations. (I wont give
any arguments here. 100,000 lines of codes are also quite a mighty
argument).

BUT, I never even thought of using FORTRAN on a Macintosh.
This machine is good for prepearing documents with the results etc. etc.,
but not for doing heavy-duty computation. Even the fastest Macintosh
can hardly give more than a handful of MegaFlops (million floating point
operations per second).
C.v.W.

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 08:56:48 EDT
From: ELOISE%MAINE.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU (Eloise Kleban)
Subject: Further comment on why people still use FORTRAN...

Someone asked why people "still" use FORTRAN...
The world of computing is quite diverse, folks!  Not everyone needs
to write programs with fancy interfaces - some people need to solve
enormous, time-consuming numerical problems.  In my opinion there
is not yet a language to beat FORTRAN in that environment.  FORTRAN
is a very simple language, designed for numerical work, easy to
optimize, vectorize and parallelize.  This makes it uniquely suitable
for number-crunching on supercomputers et al.  AND, if you are
programming in FORTRAN on the big iron, it's nice to use the same
language on the desktop, hence FORTRAN for Macs, etc.  By the way,
I recommend Language Systems FORTRAN (I have no affiliation with
the company - just a satisfied customer, etc.).
Eloise Kleban
eloise@maine.maine.edu

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 17:21 WET
From: "Alun J. Carr" <AJCARR%ccvax.ucd.ie@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Has anyone heard of the ANS graphics format? (Q)

Dear all,

One of my colleagues recently got a CD-ROM for his (yech, ick, spit!)
MeSsy-DOS machine which he says is full of graphics files with the
.ANS suffix (or name extension in Wirth/RT-11 speak). He doesn't
know how to view them, and I haven't come across this file type in
the Mac universe.

Does anybody out there know anything about this file format, and
what software is needed for viewing on a Mac or PC?

Thanks in advance,

Alun

Alun J. Carr, Mech. Eng. Dept., UCD, Belfield, Dublin 4, Ireland.
Internet: ajcarr@ccvax.ucd.ie

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 10:02 CST
From: Paul Kleeberg <PAUL@gacvx1.gac.edu>
Subject: Help: Dead Mac Plus

Any troubleshooting help would be apprecieted.  Please respond directly to
me as I have not been able to keep up with this list.

My wife's Mac + (which has had years of constant use) had not been used in
a while.  Last week we turned it on and left it on for several hours. When
I returned home I smelled smoldering electronics and saw the Mac's screen
was dead.  The machine did not respond to the mouse or QuicKey keyboard
commands.  The LED's on the DataDesk keyboard were all lit (maybe somewhat
dimly) and the external drive showed no activity.

A friend of mine who is a network tech at the college here came over and
took a look at it.  Turning it on and off sometimes produced the standard
beep and it sounded as if the internal floppy drive was initializing.
There was a somewhat irregular high pitched frequency coming from the
flyback transformer (barely audible).  The heater (glow plug whatever) at
the back of the CRT was not heating.  The feet at the base of the flyback
transformer show the effects of heat, but it is difficult to say if this
is acute or chronic (This machine has seen MANY hours of use and it is an
OLD original Mac + with the original power supply)  The only real evidence
of damage is a transistor on the analog board with a heat sink labelled as
Q3.  During "post mortem" testing it would get quite warm.  The board at
the base of the transistor is discolored from heat.

I suppose we could just replace the analog board but we are tight on
bucks.  Naturally this came at a time when my wife most needed her mac but
she has access to other Macs.  We have ordering information for MicroMat
and plan to order the parts from them.  Any and all help would be
apprecieted.

Again, please respond directly to me as I have not been able to keep up
with this list.  Thanks.

Paul Kleeberg
Paul@GAC.Edu

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 9:10:35 CDT
From: fjvanwet@odin.unomaha.edu (Francis J. Van Wetering)
Subject: IIci Disk Catalog Problems (A)

Many thanks to all those who replied to my query.  The obvious solution was
to re-initialize the hard drive.  The reason that my colleague was unable
to do this was because she continued to use the hard drive as start-up.
Therefore, she couldn't re-format the startup disk!  I got her to use
the System 7 installer, Tune-up 1.1.1, and everything is "ok" now...

| F.  J.  Van Wetering, Ph.D.    INTERNET:    fjvanwet@odin.unomaha.edu    |
| Management Information Systems BITNET: fjvanwet%odin.unomaha.edu@UNLVAX1 |

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 23:43:47 EDT
From: Pete Tamas <GNOME%TEMPLEVM.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu>
Subject: Init to allow formatting of disks with bad sectors

I wanted to ftp the Init to allow floppy with bad sectors to format
under 6.0.x, but I must have gottent the name wrong. Could anyone
refrsh my memory? Thanks-Pete
Pete Tamas, Gnome@TempleVM.bitnet, Temple Univ., Philadelphia, eastern USA

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 9:01:15 EDT
From: Tom Coradeschi <tcora@pica.army.mil>
Subject: Installing 6.0.8 From a Network

denbeste@andy.bgsu.edu.bgsu.edu writes:
>DAVE TSUJI <DTSUJI@SCUACC.SCU.EDU> writes:
>
>>       Any idea how to install System 6.0.8 from a Network (or Hard
>> Drive)?
>
>I partitioned a hard drive into 4 2 meg partitions, and one large partition.
>Each of the 4 partitions are labled "System Tools", "Utilities 1", etc...
>Each one of these looks like one of the install disks.  You could do the same
>thing with system 7 filesharing and share the four folders.

Yes! But! Make real sure that you share each of the folders separately.
When you mount them from the client mac, they should appear as four separate
appleshare volumes (pseudo-disks). It will work fine.

		tom coradeschi    <+>    tcora@pica.army.mil

------------------------------

Date: 21 Jul 92 08:49:29 GMT
From: attjp4!lss@attjpn.attmail.com
Subject: Japanese Fonts and other questions -- 2nd Opinion

"Charles A. Patrick" <PATCHAS@VM.NRC.CA> writes:

  > My son is learning Japanese, and we would like to acquire software
  > that allow him to work in Japanese, with a facility to operate in
  > Kanji, Hiragana and Katakana. Any recommendations? The software should
  > be compatible with System 7.0.1 tuned-up. Also we would prefer not to
  > have to go the whole hog to a Kanji System.

And "Charlie Mingo" <Charlie.Mingo@p4218.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org> writes:

  > Unfortunately, there really is no way except using KanjiTalk.

Mr. Patrick,

I have been using SweetJAM 7.0 from A&A in Japan.  SweetJAM sounds like a
better solution for you.  It runs as an extension (a BIG extension) under
English System 7.0.1 with Tune-Up.  It turns out that the Mac OS and many
English applications support 2-byte characters and so will run with Japanese
data.  I use all the standard System 7 stuff (including Japanese file names),
Excel, SuperPaint, etc. with Japanese data and I have had no problems.
English
wordprocessors don't usually support Japanese but SweetJAM comes with small
patch files that sit in the same folder as the application and somehow allow
the wordprocessor to support Japanese data.  (The application software is not
changed by the way, you don't have to use ResEdit to modify something, etc.
Just put the patch file in the same folder...)  Lastly, SweetJAM's kanji is
TrueType kanji so printer output is as pretty as English TrueType.

I think it works great.  I only see Japanese when I need it, otherwise my
system looks and acts like a plain English System 7 machine.  KanjiTalk is
fine but there are some drawbacks:
	1) All menus are in Japanese.  (I can read them but can your son?)
	2) KanjiTalk substitutes the standard Geneva 9 and Chicago 12 fonts
	   with Osaka 12.  This, in my opinion, looks sloppy because Osaka 12
	   takes up a lot of room on the screen.
	3) System 7 KanjiTalk is not available yet and probably won't be out
	   until next year according to Apple Japan.
	4) Switching from English to Japanese OS and back again is a pain.

I called A&A Support in Tokyo and they said that SweetJAM is available in the
US at:  Qualitas Trading, Tel: (510) 848-8080, Fax: (510) 253-1047 and
	Japanese Language Service, Tel: (617) 338-2211, Fax: (617) 338-4611

By the way, SweetJAM under System 7 does require some memory.  A&A says 2 MB
but I think you need at least 4 MB.  I'm running it on a PowerBook 140 with 8
MB RAM and an Apple PowerBook Fax/Data Modem.  (The Apple fax modem software
works with Japanese data too, by the way.)

Best Regards,

Larry Staples <lss@attjpn.attmail.com>

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 22:26:24 -0500
From: Steve Strassmann <straz@cambridge.apple.com>
Subject: Languages for numerical computation (C)

   Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 13:07:55 -0500
   From: Steve Ebstein <sebstein@pearl.Tufts.EDU>
   Subject: Fortran Compilers; why I bother (C)

   >PS: How many people are still using FORTRAN anyway?

   FORTRAN is still the only language I know of with built-in complex
   types and operators, indispensible for us numerical computation types.

Common Lisp (available for the Macintosh from APDA) not only has complex
numbers built in, but also rationals (exact fractions like 1/3)
and bignums (integers of unlimited size). These all can be freely mixed
under all operators, as well, so you can do things like set X to a
1000-digit number, take the square root of -(x^2), and get an exact
1000-digit complex answer. All in under a second on a Powerbook 100,
using the normal everyday square root function.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:25:38 GMT
From: oswood@psun.chem.yale.edu (Mark Oswood)
Subject: Laserwriter IINT

Does anyone have any suggestions about how to use an macintosh and a
workstation on
the same Laserwriter II NT?  The workstation (SPARC 1) is currently printing
over
the serial RS232 port without difficulties.  However, the mac laserwriter
driver only
wants to print over appletalk.  When I connect the mac to the IINT with
appletalk,
I have to flip a DIP switch in the back of the printer which turns off the
serial port.  Obviously, flipping a small, soon to be broken switch to change
printers is not the ideal solution, but I am at a loss for good alternatives.

BTW, this is a Mac LC II, sys 7.0+ Tuner 1.11.

I'm sure this has been asked before, but I must have missed it.  Any help
is appreciated.

 ----------
Mark C. Oswood                  oswood@psun.chem.yale.edu
			or      moswood@biomed.bitnet
No disclaimers need apply.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 18:47:04 EST
From: dks@MIT.EDU (dks)
Subject: Laserwriter utility? (A)

> I was wondering if anyone has anyone has downloaded a file from
ftp.apple.com
> called laserwriter-utility.  If so, what does it do, and is it worth the
> effort?

The file is "dts/mac/sys.soft/imaging/laserwriter-utility.hqx" at
ftp.apple.com.

What you can do with it:

	Download & display printer fonts
	Initialize printer disk
	Print font catalog & font samples

	Name printer
	Set start-up page
	Get page count
	Set FinePrint & PhotoGrade
	Calibrate printer
	Configure communication
	Download PostScript files
	Remove TrueType
	Restart printer

Is it worth the downloading effort?  You decide.


Dhanesh
dks@mit.edu

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 13:25:56 EDT
From: mem@jhufos.pha.jhu.edu (Mel Martinez x8378)
Subject: MacX & the 3-button mouse (Q)

I have been using MacX (X-Windows server for the Mac) for the last month or so
and am in general very pleased with it's performance.  It does require a lot
of
memory (4 or 5 MB) to do real work, but has proven for the most part very
compatible with all the X-Clients I have tried.

The host is a Sun workstation and my mac is a Quadra 700.  I am using Mac X
version 1.0.

The one thing I do not like is the way Mac X simulates the middle and
rightmost
buttons of a three-button mouse.  The default method is to use the left and
right arrow keys, respectively.  The only alternative provided is to have to
combine the option key with the arrow keys.  Now, this is a preference thing,
but I really find it disconcerting that I have to point the mouse with my
right
hand, and then move my left hand across the keyboard to press a key to make
the
'mouse click'.

The PREFERRED way for simulating the three buttons would be like so:

left (Select) button    =       mouse button
middle (Adjust) button  =       mouse button + option key
right (Menu) button     =       mouse button + command key

Since the option and command keys are mac-specific keys, this seems very
natural, and on most mac key boards would not require moving the left hand.
It
would also provide the natural 'feel' of pressing the mouse with the same hand
as the one holding the mouse.

Now, the question is:  How to accomplish this?

I have tried looking throughout the rather skimpy X-windows documents
available
trying to figure what to set mouse.modifier.button2 (& .button3) equal to to
make this work, but xev shows that Mac X does not send keycodes for the option
and command keys to the X-client.  Unless I can figure out how to map these
two
keys to the unused MOD1,...,MOD5 keysyms, I will probably have to figure out
instead how to do this on the Mac X end.

I have looked around in MacX with ResEdit, but did not see any obvious way to
do this.  I am not afraid of ResEdit, but this looks a little beyond my
knowledge.

One idea that has occured to me that I cannot currently test is the
following.
Is it possible to use QuickKeys to intercept a mouseclick+modifier and send a
key or keys to the application?  That is, can QuickKeys be set so that

when I press                            MacX recieves
 ------------                           --------------
mouse + option key                      option key + left arrow key
mouse + command key                     option key + right arrow key

			????????

I have ordered QuickKeys using the Tempo II 'sidegrade' offer that Jeff
Needleman posted, but it still has not arrived.

Does anyone know if this will work, or of any other way to get Mac X to behave
like I want?  Any suggested alternate sources of info?

Thanks in advance.

Mel Martinez
The Johns Hopkins University
Dept. of Physics
mem@jhufos.pha.jhu.edu

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 11:23:44 PDT
From: gerhard@rana.usc.edu
Subject: mag-optical drives - ISO standard? (Q)

In a reply, TIA - Roz McCarthy (rm107@phx.cam.ac.uk) writes
>256Mb is not an ISO standard yet, so it's unlikely that drives
>would inter-operate at this density

This statement implies that 128 Mb drives *are* an ISO
standard and will inter-operate.  Correct?  For instance,
will my Pinnacle-Micro-formatted optical disks function
correctly (read/write) in a Third Wave or other vendor's
drive?
Peter Gerhardstein (gerhard@rana.usc.edu)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 13:37:00 EDT
From: stngiam@Athena.MIT.EDU
Subject: Mass conversion of RTF files to MS word format

  I have 80 one-page files which I created in Word 5.0 but saved in RTF
(because my wife's advisor says that her version of Quark Express does
not read Word 4.0/5.0 files).

  Is there any easy way for me to convert all of them back to Word
format and then to mass convert the Word files to RTF?  RTF is a *big*
pain because Word will read them in but then name the buffer 'Untitled'
- the original file name is forgotten.  So everytime we edit an existing
file we have to remember the name of the file (which, unfortunately, is
a number from 001 to 200) and type it in again when we save.

  Any help will be appreciated.

Shih Tung
(stngiam@athena.mit.edu)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 01:45:40 PDT
From: Les.Ferch@mtsg.ubc.ca
Subject: need graphics app for scanned line art (A)

>Can someone direct to an appropriate graphics application? The work
>I need it for involves scanning line art, manipulating it, and
>printing it.

I find that DeskPaint from Zedcor is the best program I've tried for
doing the above. It is very fast, very easy to use, and is very
inexpensive. Check your favourite mail order house or Zedcor directly.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 20:06:44 EDT
From: Seth Ness <ness@aecom.yu.edu>
Subject: network help

i solved my fetch problem. somehow macTCP had been switched to localtalk
>From ethertalk. i switched it back and all was well.

--
 Seth L. Ness                        Ness Gadol Hayah Sham
 Ness@aecom.yu.edu

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:00:06 -0400
From: austin@umich.edu (Richard Austin)
Subject: Now Utilities Problem (A)

Back at the beginning of July, I posted the following description of
problems I was having with Now Utilities.  I've included here what I
found out since then:

>I am using Now Utilities 3.02 on a Mac IIfx under System 7.0.1 & tuner
>1.1.1 and I am noticing some odd behavior, described as follows.
>
>(1) The Chooser is no longer hierarchical under NowMenus, although the
>Control Panel is.  Actually, the various Chooser devices do appear in a
>hierarchical menu, but when the Chooser opens, the item is not selected.

Now Software told me that this is a known problem which was introduced in
version 3.02.  It will be fixed in a future version.

>(2) Occasionally SuperBoomerang seems to run out of memory.  For example,
>if I hit Command-N in a standard file dialog to create a new folder, I
>might get a rectangular window which has a box and a button, but no text.
>Or, I might be able to give the new folder only 2 letters of a name.

I was finally able to determine that this problem was caused by the cdev
Dialog Filter.  I don't know if my copy was corrupted or if it is a basic
incompatibility, but removing Dialog Filter cured the symptoms.  I've
switched to Escapade, which has similar functions (and is free).

Thanks to all who responded!

Richard Austin
austin@umich.edu

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 18:23:27 EDT
From: Bob Crawford <bcrawf2@rvgs.vak12ed.edu>
Subject: Optima, Hebrew & fonts otherwise

Greetings,
Answering a couple of "where is" questions (#173 Digest):
Optima is an Adobe font.  Hebrew fonts (and in many other
alphabets) are advertised by various vendors always listed in
the back of both main MAC mags.  Also, look in the adv. index
for Image Club, a big vendor.
Ciao.
Bob Crawford, Roanoke, Va.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 19:28 CDT
From: "Dwight Lemke @ Wisconsin Oshkosh" <LEMKE@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU>
Subject: Problems with LC and Telnet (Update)

Date sent:  20-JUL-1992 19:24:50
I recently reported a problem I had with Telnet hanging up my LC.  I thought
that the problem was related to having upgraded to Excel 4.  However, here
is the reply that I received today from NCSA:

>I received your bug report about Telnet hanging with Excel running in
>the foreground.  Indeed we have found some problems with the Mac LC
>hanging while running Telnet.  At this point, neither NCSA nor Apple knows
>on what end the problem is -- even after weeks of testing it is still
>impossible to say.
>
>I think your problem isnt related to Excel at all -- Telnet might hang up
>the maching no matter what other application is running.
>Thanks for the bug report,
>
>Scott Bulmahn
>sbulmahn@yoyodyne.ncsa.uiuc.edu

I thought it was best to pass it along to you in full.  Especially you other
LC users.  I also want to give a hand to NCSA for the fine support they
give to Telnet (and Mac users).

-Dwight

------------------------------

Date: TUE, 21 Jul 92 17:52:36 EDT
From: "Louis_Bergeron"%UQAT.UQuebec.CA@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
Subject: Reinking cartridges

I recently received some documentation about reinking kits for StyleWriter
or DeskWriter or many other printer from Computer Friends. The kit for
StyleWriter including a 2 onces bottle of ink if 29.95$. For a standard
DeskWriter it's 24.95$. The ink itself for both products is 9.50$. So the
syringe is 20$ which is very expensive. I paid mine less than 2$. I would
trust their ink even if I didn't try it, since they did a very good job for
ImageWriter. I bought a pint many years ago and it's still usable and working
fine. I have been reinking ImageWriter's ribbons for years with their product
and saved a lot of money doing so. They also have many other colors: magenta,
cyan, yellow, green and purple. For those interested:
Computer Friends 14250 NW Science Park Drive Portland OR 97229
(800) 547-3303 to order  (503) 626-2291 for info.  (503) 3-5379

Louis Bergeron ORPBERL@UQAT.UQUEBEC.CA

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 08:10:47 CDT
From: Tamer M Selim <tmselim@icaen.uiowa.edu>
Subject: Retrospect Error 206

We are having a problem with Retrospect and out Third Wave 8mm tape
backup drive.  During the backup process, Retrospect will return an error
#206 (bad media error).  The twist is the inconsistency.  We receive the
error at different points during the backup--on SAME tape.

We have purchased other 8mm tapes to try with the system--of either
data or high quality video types--of different lengths, all to no avail.  We
have been able to get anywhere between 3 megabytes and 300 megabytes
before the error would occur.

The backup has been attempted on drives of varying sizes on several IIciUs
and an LC.  I have given Retrospect a greater memory partition, and have
run it with 32-bit addressing on and off.  I have tried it with all
extensions off and just about EVERYTHING else I could think of.

Third Wave was not very helpful and Dantz Tech Support has not returned
my message.

I recently began working with the problem after a colleague discussed the
problem with me.  Following is the log that she kept on the problem for
further reference:

If you have had any experience with this error, or have any general advice,
please pass it on to me.  If you have any questions, please let me know.

--Tamer (tmselim@icaen.uiowa.edu)


 ----------------------------------------------------------------
Problem:  our tape backup system isnUt working properly.  We get a media
error 206 and, infrequently, a 203 hardware error.

We are running Retrospect 1.3 with an exabyte tape and attempting to back
up our 2 1.2 GB hard drives -- letUs call them drive A and drive B for
convenience.

Symptoms:
It fails consistently when we try to back up from drive A but the failure
occurs in different places.  Sometimes it will back up most of the drive --
other times it will barely get started.
It fails when we try to backup from drive B if drive A is attached to the
SCSI chain
Norton Utilities seems to think that drive A is fine.  I called Norton and
someone ran me through some tests and he said that the disk is damaged
and we should back it up and reformat it.  I said, thatUs what weUre trying
to do!
AppleUs Disk verification program thinks that drive A is damaged and is
unable to fix it.

I have tried:
	-- checking to make sure we have the right version of Retrospect
and that it is the right size (i.e. not damaged)  It checks out.
	-- backing up drive A w/ or w/o verification, w/ or w/o
compression -- it failed but seemed to get a bit farther with compression.
	-- copying the files from drive A to drive B and backing it up off
that drive B -- it failed.
	-- changing the order of the SCSI chain -- it failed
	-- backing up drive A completely -- it failed
	-- backing up drive A partially -- it failed
	-- backing up drive A through our AppleTalk network -- it failed
	-- switching SCSI cables -- made no difference
	-- booting off System 6.07 with only the RETRO.SCSI init and no
others -- it failed
	-- running it w/o the RETRO.SCSI init -- it failed
	-- different tapes -- they all failed
	-- backing up drive B without drive A attached -- it worked
	-- taking the tape drive to another system and backing up off their
1.2GB hard drive -- it worked
	-- taking our tape drive and drive A to another building and another
Macintosh and backing up -- it failed
	-- backing up off at least 2 of our 3 macs -- it failed


------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:37:47 PDT
From: Ned_Reinhold.DLosLV300@xerox.com
Subject: SAM T4 resolution

I received the following note from Symantec. It has been posted elsewhere, but
not here (or so I'm told). Thanks to all of you for assisting in the
identification and resolution of this problem.  Ned

From:   marvin@norton.norton.com (Marvin Carlberg)
-----RFC822 headers---->

re: your message on infomac...

I don't know much about the problems with the new SAM definitions
file, but I have heard that it only affects older versions of
SAM (pre 3.0.5) with the new T4 defs file.  The virus defs file is OK,
but it doesn't work well with the older versions of the program and you
will need to call for an upgrade.  It causes random out of memory
problems in certain applicatins and System Error 33 in others.  The
following message was posted by one of our SAM tech support reps on
America Online this morning.  That's all I know, but thought I'd
try to help.

   -Marvin Carlberg
    Symantec/Norton Utilities Group

 ------------------------------------------
Subj:  SAM and App memory                    92-07-20 13:57:07 EDT
From:  NORTONTECH

To All:
Symantec has looked into the memory errors with SAM and it is only
happening with some specific software configurations.
If you'll e-mail me your name and mailing address with system config
info and SAM version number, We'll send you a fix ASAP.

Thanks for the information-

Jim Durkin
Symantec/Norton Tech Support.
nortontech@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:04:34 +0800
From: rcjpjrv@usthk.ust.hk (Rick Jarvis)
Subject: SCSI Ethernet adaptors

Can anyone relate any experience with SCSI ethernet adaptors? I'm thinking
of getting such a beast from Asante for use with a PB170. I think the
educational price is around $200US. Any comments? Thanks.
Rick Jarvis, Hong Kong Univ of Sci & Tech, rcjpjrv@usthk.ust.hk

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 9:03:24 EDT
From: Tom Coradeschi <tcora@pica.army.mil>
Subject: SE/30 Weirdness

Ed Costello <COSTELLO@yoohoo.llnl.gov> writes:
>Jack (GR4486@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU) writes:
>>Not long ago I bought a used SE/30 for my wife. After a few days using it
she
>>said that that Mac didn't like her and wanted to switch with me. She
said:"It
>>hums and explodes and makes angry noises..."
>
>Do you have the 'Temperment' init (extension) installed?  It's icon is a
>mushroom cloud and it deletes the nuisance 'Word...temp' files that Microsoft
>Word creates.  When it finds these files on startup, it makes an explosion
>sound much like you described.  Removing the init will solve the explosion
>annoyance, but the temp files will remain.

Or you can just turn the sound off on Temperament (the cdev version).

		tom coradeschi    <+>    tcora@pica.army.mil

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 11:55:00 EDT
From: Phil Calvert <PNCSPPC@ccvax1.cc.ncsu.edu>
Subject: Staggered icons in the Finder (Q)

Somewhere I saw a simple ResEdit hack that causes the icons in the Finder to
be staggered (so that the names don't overlap).  When I tried to go back and
find it again I couldn't.  Does anyone know how to do this or know of a file
that explains how to do this?  I am using System 6.0.7, if that makes any
difference.

Phil Calvert

<Bitnet: pncsppc@ncsuvax / Internet: pncsppc@ccvax1.cc.ncsu.edu>

------------------------------

Date: 20 Jul 1992 20:36:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: SQW6447@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU
Subject: Stock/bond/options quotes (A)

On Mon, 20 Jul 92 10:16:03 EDT, Tony Waters <CCW%APLVM.BITNET> said:

>If you look in the Investor's Daily newspaper you will find adds from
>companies that provide stock prices. They are not inexpensive -- they
>assume that you are going to be making money in the market and sharing
>it with them. The ones I have seen are for PeeCees so you would need
>something like SoftPC to run them.
>
>Do services like Prodigy provide stock market listings?

Prodigy is *very* slow...at least on a Mac. It is however, o.k. on
Pee-Cee machines...:-) (wonder why? :-) Anyhow, if one really needs
access to the latest stocks, bonds, options, etc. listings, I strongly
advise subscribing to something like the Dow Jones News Retrieval. I
believe this service is 24 hours and provides access to global markets
like Japan's Nikkei and Europe's various markets. Plus, if one is
working for an large investment banking firm like Morgan Stanley or
Nomura Securities, one will have access to the firm's VAXes, Suns,
and other various database and information networks.



Shaw Wu, NYU Stern School. <sqw6447@acfcluster.nyu.edu>
Battery Park City, World Financial District, Lower Manhattan

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 20:05:41 EDT
From: ZMEG000 <ZMEG%AACC.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: supra question (Q)

    First question is really about fax/modems in general.
What kind of files do they transmit???? Do they have to be
PICT?, TIFF? or can it create a fax from a text file?, or
word processor file???? Thanks.

    Second I have a friend who has a new Supra modem and he
does not know the settings. We are just BBS aquaintences, so
I have never seen the manual, but could some one please send
me their init settings? He has the v.32bis/fax supra modem.
He has been having trouble connecting to USR dual standards.

Thanks,
   Mike
   ZMEG@AACC.bitnet
   or grabenst@umbc3.umbc.edu

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 08:32:42 -0600
From: wadew@DUCVAX.AUBURN.EDU (Wade Williams)
Subject: Sys 7 Startup disk fiasco!

Folks, the System-7-Startup-disk fiasco has got to stop!

We use a program called RevRdist to manage the hard drives in our labs.
Occassionally, we have to start up off of a floppy to run RevRdist to
rebuild our hard drive.  We're getting some Quadras in, so all of our labs
will be going to System 7.

Because the Quadras will not run anything but System 7, that means will
have to startup with a System 7 disk to run RevRdist.  RevRdist requires
the following items:
1)  The Finder
2)  The Chooser
3)  AppleShare

RevRdist is a 73K application.  Guess what folks?  You can't fit a 73K
application on a minimal System 7 startup disk if you put the Chooser and
Appleshare on there too.

Because the RevRdist preferences must be copied onto the hard disk, you
have to have the Finder.  And because RevRdist can't run until those
preferences are copied, you can't set it up as the startup application.

Apple's official response on this matter is to "switch disks."  Do you have
any idea how many disk swaps it would take to finish a run of RevRdist?
What if I have a whole lab full of computers to rebuild?  That answer is
unacceptable, plain and simple.

Apple has giving us a wonderful operating system with System 7.  But they
must solve this startup disk problem immediately!  There would be no need
for complaints if all machines could startup with a System 6 disk, but
because some machines require System 7, this problem must be solved!

Apple needs to provide us with some sort of minimal startup disk that
provides Finder and Chooser services.

I'm beginning an Email campaign.  If you would like your name on an open
Email letter to Apple, please send me a message with your full name,
Address and Email address.

I'll be writing a paper letter to Apple and I encourage everyone else to do
the same.  Paper mail is much more effective.  If you want to write a paper
letter, send it to:

Apple Computer, Inc.
2505 Mariani Ave.
Cupertino, CA 95014
M/S 73P

If anyone can think of a good reason not to urge Apple to come up with a
solution to this problem, please let me know.

Wade Williams
Academic Computing Services, Auburn University
wadew@ducvax.auburn.edu

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 14:20:32 EDT
From: Clinton Collins <BEBRF14%NERVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: system extensions

Dear netlanders,

I asked if there was a way to edit the Finder Dialog resource to make
the replace button of the File Replace Dialog the default button instead
of the Cancel button.  No one had any idea's other than system extensions
Come on net!  There has to be a way.  I said I did not want to add yet
another extension to my system and for good reason.  I know Microsoft
breaks many programming rules, but my job depends on using their
products.  So, I try to be very conservative adding things to the office
computer.  I broke down and fired up KeyTools thinking this would be
just the thing to make life easier.  Well, I just spent 2 hours trying
to figure out why Excel was acting so goofy and I think (I am not 100%
sure) that KeyTools is the problem.  Specifically, Excel will go into
bitland if you do a command b (clear range) when KeyTools is active.
It does other strange things too.  But, can anyone else verify my
experience.  I will try another extension if someone can tell me they
have used it sucessfully in conjunction with Microsoft products.
I would much prefer detailed instructions from a ResEdit Pro to hack
the Finder into what I want.  Ideas welcome.
Clinton Collins, bebrf14@nervm

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 13:14:52 MET
From: Ger Groothuijsen <G.Groothuijsen@UCI.KUN.NL>
Subject: tn3270

I installed tn3270 version 2.3 on my Mac IIsi (with Ethernetboard). I also
installed NCSA Telnet version 2.5. Then I tried to use tn3270 to connect
to a local host (IBM-mainframe). I got the message: unknown keyword in config
file line xx. So I removed that line from the config file. But the message
remais.
Does anyone know what is going on? Did I do anything wrong or can't I use
tn3270 v.2.3 whit NCSA Telnet v.2.5?

thanks for any response.

Ger Groothuijsen
User support University of Nijmegen
The Netherlands.

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Date: 21 Jul 92 10:05:43 EDT
From: David.M.Tillinghast@Dartmouth.EDU
Subject: Trick to display precise memory!

Robert E. Front was kind enough to answer my question - and with a very
effective answer. The net may be curious...

In order to have your finder display how many kilobytes are remaining (rather
than megabytes), just do the following:

> Open a copy of file 'Finder' (7.0) with ResEdit.
> Open CODE #23, answering "yes" to the "decompress the resource?" alert.
> Go to offset 18E.
> Change "0C86 0010 0000 6500 0082" to "0C86 0010 0000 6000 0082".
> Save, Quit ResEdit, replace Finder, and Reboot.
This replaced "xxMB in disk/available" with "xx,xxxK in disk/available".


Thanks,
-tig

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:25:02 +0200
From: "Karl-Heinz Kampert, Wilhelm-Klemm-Str.9, D-4400 Muenster, Tel:
+251-834993, (Kampert@VsIKP0.Uni-Muenster.De)"
<kampert@VSIKP0.UNI-MUENSTER.DE>
Subject: Vax-DDIF to PICT converter?

Dear Network friend,

does anybody know about a utility that converts pictures
produced with a scanner on a Vax in
	*.IMG
or      *.DDIF
format to a Mac-readable format like PICT, for example?
In case of large interest I will summarize the responses.

Thank's, Karl-Heinz Kampert

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 09:24:56 EDT
From: abboud@cedrus.cedrus.com (Hisham A. Abboud)
Subject: Where can I find the stock market? (A)

Tony,

The best deal I've found for getting stock market quotes -and-
news has been Dow Jones.  They used to be very expensive (they
still are!), but they've introduced a Flat Fee plan.  For $25
per month, you can get stock market quotes, company stories from
the Wall Street Journal, Barron's, and Dow Jones Wire up to
90 days back, and historical quotes.  The catch?  You've got to
login after 9 pm during weekdays, or on weekends.

Also, you can use a regular terminal emulator, so no SoftPC
needed.  Hope this helps,

					Hisham.


Hisham A. Abboud, Cedrus Corp.  [Internet: abboud@cedrus.com]

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:39:59 -0500
From: Charlie.Mingo@p4218.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Charlie Mingo)
Subject: Where can I find the stock market? (A)

   I guess I missed the original question, but...

Tony Waters <CCW%APLVM.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu> writes:

  > If you look in the Investor's Daily newspaper you will find adds from
  > companies that provide stock prices. They are not inexpensive -- they
  > assume that you are going to be making money in the market and sharing
  > it with them. The ones I have seen are for PeeCees so you would need
  > something like SoftPC to run them.

   Dow Jones/News Retrieval has very nice Technical Analysis and Portfolio
Management packages for the Mac.  They are not cheap ($180 each), and you
will spend a lot of money in online charges when you call in for quotes
(although DJNR does have a $25/month flat-fee service).

   I have the analysis program (Market Analyzer PLUS 2.03), and it
does all sorts of charts and graphs (candlestick, pitchfork, point
and figure), as well as more conventional stuff (relative strength,
net of an index, etc).  The portfolio program is a little overdue
for a rewrite (DJ promises one anytime now).

   For demo versions of the software, call 609/520-4641 and ask for
Susan Frein.



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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 16:31:22 +0100
From: vosse@ruls41.leidenuniv.nl (Theo Vosse)
Subject: Word Services (Q)

  In issue #10 (july-august 1992) of Language Industry Monitor that a
new suite of Apple Events has been announced under the name of "Word
Services". This would be meant to make spell (and so-called grammar)
checkers modular, i.e. you would only need to have one for all
programs (per language, I guess).
  My question: does anyone have more information? I am a developing a
grammar based spell checker for Dutch and would be interested to see
if I could run a (scaled-down) version from my word processor.
Thanks,

	Theo Vosse
	----------
	Unit for Experimental Psychology
	University of Leiden
	The Netherlands

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 12:38:15 EDT
From: Pete Tamas <GNOME%TEMPLEVM.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu>
Subject: World Script

2 questions:
1) Has anyone heard anything about World Script? It is a rumored
script that will make it easier to work with several international
systems.

2) A friend can only download to PCs. Then he uses Apple File Exchange
to transfer the files and then unbinhexes, etc. Now, he wishes to
access an FTP site that has everything in binary. This sounds like
a familiar topic, but its not among the stuff frrom the list I saved
about data transfer. Is there  an AFE translator? Thanks, Pete
Pete Tamas, Gnome @ TempleVM, Philadelphia (eastern USA)

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Date: 21 Jul 92 15:13:12 GMT
From: linger@drystone.attmail.com
Subject: Zoom Modem and Hangup Problems

I recently purchased a Zoom v.32 14.4K FaxModem and love it.  When I find a
place that supports that type of connection, the times I get are incredible.

However, sometimes, when I try to hang up, the computer "loses" the modem.
For example, from Pacerterm, I'll close the connection (which, when it works,
takes maybe a second or two) and it will seem to hang.  After about 30
seconds, I get the message that the modem can no longer be reached by the
computer and I should make sure it is on and the cable is plugged in (they
are).  At this point, the only way to reset the modem is to shut it off and
turn it back on again.

I've tried, after the problem occurs, quitting Pacerterm and running another
terminal, such as Kermit or Quicklink, both of which cannot contact the modem
either.  Toggling DTR doesn't work (the light doesn't even go off).  There are
a few public apps that supposedly cut the connection, but no luck in that
department since they, too, cannot reach the modem.

It isn't Pacerterm, either.  I've had problems with Versaterm and America
Online (which doesn't even support reliable links, so that isn't the answer)
too.

Any ideas?  Could someone with a Zoom without this problem send me a copy of
their settings (AT&V) that work?  I'm using the Hayes Modem Tool with
Pacerterm; is there something better that I should be using?

Thanks.

Ken Linger
linger@drystone.attmail.com

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