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From: kosicki@ratchet.Prime.COM (Bernie Kosicki)
Subject: Cape Code Blues?
Reply-To: kosicki@ratchet.Prime.COM (Bernie Kosicki)
Organization: Prime Computer R&D
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:53:01 GMT


I will be heading out on a friends boat this weekend in search of
bluefish.  We will be fishing Buzzards Bay and the inner-Cape.  Has
anyone been out recently in that area.  I would like some detailed info
on spots, tackle, times of day etc.  The boat has been drydocked so far
this season due to a "fiscal challenge".  So we would like to have a
definite plan prior to getting out on the water, you know how precious
fishing time can be.  We are always game for Stripers also, but it
sounds like the Blues are really cranking now.  I wi;; of course be
reading Chamberlain's column in the Globe on Friday, but I would REALLY
appreciate any other information.

Thanks a lot, in advance,

Bernie Kosicki
kosicki@s35.Prime.com


P.S. I agree with John, IMO bowfishing sounds kind of brutal.
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing)
Subject: Re: Where to bring son(3-1/2) for first successfull trip
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Distribution: ne
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:27:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.192108.2118@cs.umb.edu> mike@ra.cs.umb.edu (Michael J. Thibodeau) writes:
>Hi
>  I am a purely recreational fisherman and have come to enjoy fishing not only
>  for the catching but for the standing/sitting/laying about, watching the 
>  wind blow leaves accross the water, listening to the birds in the area, 
>  and all the rest of the things that go on while the fish are milling about
>  and watching from the safety of the other side of the brook/stream/river or
>  pond/lake/ocean wherever I happen to be at the time. Basically I enjoy the
>  fishing regardless of the catching.
>
>  The problem is that my son is rapidly loosing interest and I can't seem to 
>  find us somewhere that the fish are biting!! I strongly believe that it is 
>  my love of the peace and tranquility of a fishing trip that has led to my 
>  failure to catch fish. 
>
>  It is my fear that if we don't have some success soon he is going to give up
>  on Dad and we will miss out on all the joyful experiences that I have been 
>  dreaming of.
>
>  So, does any moderately successful fisher-folk out there have any advise for 
>  an acknoledged green horn as to how to make for a successful trip for my son?
>  We live in Scituate Massachusetts so if anyone knows of a good area in the
>  Hingham, Weymouth, Quincy, Hull, Scituate  area or would like to take this
>  green horn and his son on an enlightening and instructional fishing trip
>  That would be great
>  (I wouldnt mind being able to catch fish like I used to as a I used to)
>
>  -Mike

How much do you want to spend? Your best bet in saltwater for
"guaranteed" fish-catching is a party or charter boat. There are
plenty in your area. Get a copy of The Fisherman magazine in your
local tackle shop for names and numbers...one is Midnight Charters in
Quincy.

Shore fishing tends to be either a feast or famine proposition at this
time of year unless you've got a lot of experience doing it, know
where the hotspots are, and are willing to fish at dawn, dusk, or
night time.

Try the boats...


Bill Downing, President		Email: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us		
DOWNING ASSOCIATES, INC.
8 Doyle Lane, Hopkinton, MA 01748
508-435-4567
-- 
Bill Downing, President		Email: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us		
DOWNING ASSOCIATES, INC.
8 Doyle Lane, Hopkinton, MA 01748
508-435-4567
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: bc@col.hp.com (Bryan Call)
Subject: Re: Fly Tying
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:18:06 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
> For a long time I've been saying to myself "you know, I really ought to
> take up fly tying".  I've built quite a few of my own rods and have done
> quite a bit of fly fishing but never got into tying my own flies.  We'll
> I finally broke down and bought a fly tying vice (actually part of a kit).
> The instruction booklet that came with it was very crude and thus I am
> looking for more information.   I am looking for recommendations which
> focus on technique as much as specific patterns.  Color pallets which show
> fly tying materials would be helpful as well.  I know there are a lot of
> fly tying books available so if you want to send email I'll compile a
> bibliography and summarize. 
> 
> I am also looking for instructional videos as well.  Note, I'm looking for
> something for someone that has never tied a fly before.  I am primarily 
> interested in dry flies and nymphs for trout fishing.
> -- 
> +============================================================================++
> | John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
> | johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
> +============================================================================++
Try the Orvis Fly Tying Book.  It is spiral bound and has a black cover.
It takes you through detail steps for about a dozen types of flys which
cover most of the techniques you will ever need.  It also has a good 
directory of drys and nymphs with the list of ingredients and good color 
photos.  I took up the sport and tying this past March and this is the 
book I have used the most.  BTW, you better open up another line of credit
if you really get into tying. :-)

=============================================================================
Remember:  Fishing is NOT a matter of life and death.
              It is much more important than that!
=============================================================================
Bryan Call (719)590-5772  |All opinions expressed here are mine & mine alone.
Hewlett-Packard Co.       |  But then, I've never let that stop me before.     
Colorado Springs Div      |--------------------------------------------------
P.O. BOX 617              |    Many men go fishing all their lives without 
Colorado Springs, Co 80901|    knowing that it is not fish they are after.
bc@col.hp.com             |                                         - thoreau
=============================================================================

Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: bc@col.hp.com (Bryan Call)
Subject: Re: Fly Tying
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:05:58 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
> 
> >Try the Orvis Fly Tying Book.  It is spiral bound and has a black cover.
> 
> Is this the same as the "Orvis Fly Pattern Index"?  Someone else recommended
> this.


That is the one.  Tie their instructional patterns to get the hang of the 
various techniques.               

If you have a good fly fishing shop (dedicated to fly fishing only) in your
area, they will have videos for rent ($2-3) and will usually have classes
available.  They usually have knowledgeable people who can answer your fly
tying questions and give you some pointers.


=============================================================================
Remember:  Fishing is NOT a matter of life and death.
              It is much more important than that!
=============================================================================
Bryan Call (719)590-5772  |All opinions expressed here are mine & mine alone.
Hewlett-Packard Co.       |  But then, I've never let that stop me before.     
Colorado Springs Div      |--------------------------------------------------
P.O. BOX 617              |    Many men go fishing all their lives without 
Colorado Springs, Co 80901|    knowing that it is not fish they are after.
bc@col.hp.com             |                                         - thoreau
=============================================================================
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom)
Subject: lack of forage
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:57:41 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 07-29-92 21:54


 In response to FAK9957@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.ED

:     * Adult alewives were almost absent from the northeastern New
:York waters of Lake Ontario. Canadian surveys found abnormally low
:numbers of alewives in easternmost waters there, too.
:were collected in the western lake trawls this spring.

 We're experiencing the coldest Summer of the Century and since the 
Lake hasn't stratified, we're blaming the Weather. The "action" has 
been rather dismal and the fish appear to be scattered.
 
 Just a couple of years ago, remember marking all sorts of huge "pods" 
of baitfish (in fact back then, it wasn't uncommon to find an alewife 
impaled onto each hook of the treble after trolling through a dense 
school). This year they are few and far between and much smaller than 
what we're accustomed to expect.
 
 Spent 4 hours this morning trolling the waters out of Toronto and 
didn't mark any significantly large schools of baitfish. Our only 
"hook up" was a pan-sized rainbow that had the audacity to hit an NK 
Mag that was perhaps a third his size. Gave him an "E" for effort and 
released it.
 
 Sounds like a classic "Catch-22", either way the Fishery surely will 
suffer. The waters of Lake Ontario are becoming cleaner, the winters 
are milder.......so what is the problem??
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Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing)
Subject: Re: NE surfcasting info for ya damn yankee's ;)
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:44:04 GMT

In article <14pftpINNhbl@early-bird.think.com> drake@think.com (Chris Drake) writes:
>Though I'd pass this on to you all. It's a little fractured but so
>what it's also free.
>
>
>Nothing is better for live bait than live eels.  They are hardy and
>have alot of action.  I usually cast one out with a bobber and about
>4' of line beteen the bobber and the eel.  I let the current take it
>for a while then reel it in and try again.  If this fails or I get bored,
>then I use a weight and let it sit on the bottom.

[stuff deleted]

>it.  I have caught big bass here at night with eels and surface
>poppers as well.  Night fishing is better for eels for you set it
>and forget it.  A line tangle in the dark when casting is no fun.
>
I'm curious why you use a bobber with eels, unless it's a way to keep
them from tangling themselves in a knot on the bottom. I've found,
even with whacking them over the head a dozen times to slow them down,
that I've had to slow retrieve them in the water (like needlefish
plugs) just to keep them from balling up on the line. Bottom fishing
them when they are alive usually results in a snarled mess.

Of course, some would say that the best way to fish eels is with a
slow retrieve anyway and, judging by the keeper I caught this way two
weeks ago, I'm not going to change the technique at this point!


-- 
Bill Downing, President		Email: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us		
DOWNING ASSOCIATES, INC.
8 Doyle Lane, Hopkinton, MA 01748
508-435-4567
From: markc@onondaga.East.Sun.COM (Mark Conti - Sun Syracuse, NY FE)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: WD-40
Date: 21 Jul 1992 20:48:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: markc@onondaga.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: onondaga.east.sun.com

 I've tried WD40 on my bait, but the darned fish kept slipping off!
At least they didn't squeek anymore ;)  Seriously, what does this
do? Is it smell or the oil rising off the bait that attracts?

---
Mark Conti
From: dnd@ee.man.ac.uk (Darryl Davis (RA))
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: BOWFISHING C@R IT WORKS
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:43:34 GMT
Reply-To: dnd@spec0.ee.man.ac.uk (Darryl Davis (RA))
Organization: Dept Electrical and Electronic Eng, Manchester University, UK

In article <29JUL199208441910@b56vxg.kodak.com> pisarevsky@b56vxg.kodak.com (Arkady Pisarevsky) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.140221.259@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, csc1210212@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes...
>>Believe it or not there is catch and release.I even saw a video where
>>they showed how.I have a pond like and all thats in it are perch and 
>
>    Above really isn't meant as a flame -- just my views on that IMHO 
>questionable part of fishing. Comments anyone ?
>

WELL IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A FLAME.. 
THAT SORT OF BEHAVIOUR STINKS OF A DAMN STUPID MENTALITY TO ME.
WELL, WHY NOT USE AGENT ORANGE ON THEM AND DAMN THE CONSEQUENCES!!!!!

WE have enough of a problem with industrial pollution, without the fisherman
demonstrating the same end result. Sort of shooting yourself in the foot kind
of gambit.

FLAMINGLY yours

The Social Renegade.
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: phantom@sequent.com (Bert Pelca)
Subject: Re: electic motors
Keywords: stealth, motorguide 
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 18:19:11 GMT

does anyone out there know how to translate an electric
motor's pounds of thrust to horsepower?

thnx
From: terryt@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Terry A Turner)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: WD-40
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:21:59 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <18494@drutx.ATT.COM> bart@druwa.ATT.COM (BartholomewR) writes:
>
>I see, and have seen in previous discussions on this topic, the claims that
>people have "heard" it is good. Does anybody have any first hand accounts, 
>either positive or negative? I have been reluctant to try it for this reason,
>WD-40 is petroleum based (smell it, has that oil smell). Sure it probably 
>leaves a trail and smell in the water, but it doesn't seem like something a
>fish would be interested. Myself and many others I have spoke with use a
>fish attractant after messing with the motor to remove, to the extent possible,
>remnants of the gas/oil.


	I have successfully used WD 40 fishing for spring chinook.  I spray
	my hands with it before I handle my line and baits or lures.  I used
	to spray my plugs with it before they went into the water but it 
	occurred to me to be bad form environmentally so I stopped.  I will
	use Berkley or Dr. Juice scents on lures as they are fish oil based.

	Salmon have an extremely keen sense of smell and will avoid baits
	that don't smell right.  Getting them to bite anything is hard enough.




	Terry

>
>
>bart


--
Terry Turner		   If people paid more attention to the really
terryt@tekig5.pen.tek.com  important things in life, there would be a serious
503-627-5630               shortage of fishing poles.
From: terryt@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Terry A Turner)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: WD-40
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:00:18 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1992Jul23.150712.13742@intelhf.hf.intel.com> labelle@intelhf.hf.intel.com (George La Belle) writes:
>
>	Does anyone have any evidence to support this "human scent" theory?
>
>	I learned from a Japanese guide that he'd done experiments in Alaska
>	using rubber gloves/not rubber gloves to rig end tackle and found
>	no difference in the number or veracity of hits.
>


	I took a class once (yes, a fishing class) and the guy cited some
	data from a study done by the ODFW on Fall Chinook and their ability
	to smell in the water.  The salmon was observed while introducing
	small quantities (around 100 ppm) of mammal pherinome (sp) similar
	to those found on sea lions and humans.  Fish behaviour became 
	much more erratic and nervous even at these tiny quantities, and moved 
	as far away as possible from the scent.  Likewise similar quantities
	of bait scent drew the fish to the smell.  The theory is that part
	of the ability of anadromous fish to return to the same spawning 
	water is their highly developed sense of smell.  Also we smell a lot
	like one of their worst predators, sea lions and seals so it is
	important to remove or mask our smell as much as possible.  It has
	also been stated that that is one of the reasons why women and 
	children have higher catch rates because the pherinomes are at a much
	lower level than in men.

	Sorry for the lack of specifics but it's been awhile.  There is enough
	evidence to support the theory so I use scents to mask human smell
	as much as possible when fishing for salmon and steelhead.  It 
	doesn't seem to make as much difference fishing for trout.

	Tight lines.

	Terry


--
Terry Turner		   If people paid more attention to the really
terryt@tekig5.pen.tek.com  important things in life, there would be a serious
503-627-5630               shortage of fishing poles. 
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: jts@ginny.ece.cmu.edu (John T. Stonick)
Subject: Re: electic motors
Keywords: stealth, motorguide 
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:59:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.181911.6008@sequent.com> phantom@sequent.com (Bert Pelca) writes:
>does anyone out there know how to translate an electric
>motor's pounds of thrust to horsepower?
>
>thnx

In AMcCallum jon boat catalog tey say that 17lbs of thrust is roughly
equivalent to 1 Hp.



-- 

jts@ginny.cmu.edu 
John "fish tremble when they hear my name" Stonick

Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Subject: Re: Ol' George (was BOWFISHING C@R IT WORKS)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:41:20 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Jul29.230132.1563@infonode.ingr.com> shelley@heard.b30.ingr.com writes:
<story about George the speckled trout deleted>

That story sums up the issue quite nicely.

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom)
Subject: lack of forage
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:37:06 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 07-29-92 21:54


 In response to FAK9957@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.ED

:     * Adult alewives were almost absent from the northeastern New
:York waters of Lake Ontario. Canadian surveys found abnormally low
:numbers of alewives in easternmost waters there, too.
:were collected in the western lake trawls this spring.

 We're experiencing the coldest Summer of the Century and since the 
Lake hasn't stratified, we're blaming the Weather. The "action" has 
been rather dismal and the fish appear to be scattered.
 
 Just a couple of years ago, remember marking all sorts of huge "pods" 
of baitfish (in fact back then, it wasn't uncommon to find an alewife 
impaled onto each hook of the treble after trolling through a dense 
school). This year they are few and far between and much smaller than 
what we're accustomed to expect.
 
 Spent 4 hours this morning trolling the waters out of Toronto and 
didn't mark any significantly large schools of baitfish. Our only 
"hook up" was a pan-sized rainbow that had the audacity to hit an NK 
Mag that was perhaps a third his size. Gave him an "E" for effort and 
released it.
 
 Sounds like a classic "Catch-22", either way the Fishery surely will 
suffer. The waters of Lake Ontario are becoming cleaner, the winters 
are milder.......so what is the problem??
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From: bailebn@mail.auburn.edu (Bliss Bailey)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Bluegill Recipe
Keywords: good-eats, pan, fish, panfish
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:55:28 GMT
Reply-To: bailebn@mail.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University

In article 112254@muvms3.bitnet, m043117@muvms3.bitnet () writes:
>Needed..Bluegill Recipe..
>

De-head them, gut them, scale them, remove fins, but leave tails on!.
If you are finicky, skin them.  Put them in a shallow pan of cold milk
to soak for a minute while you mix up the breading.

In another shallow pan, mix corn meal (a couple tablespoons per fish), 
a good-sized pinch of cayenne pepper per fish, a good-sized pinch of black
pepper per fish, and a little salt.  Some people used a pre-prepared 
spice mix (K-Pauls, or Tony Chacherie (sp?)).  

Take a good-sized skillet (the heavier the better), put 1/8 inch of good
oil (peanut, canola, sunflower, or safflower) and heat it up hot.  To test
the oil temperature, throw in a little piece of bread.  If it browns quickly
without becoming greasy, then you are about right.  If the oil smokes, reduce
the heat.  Not only do you run the risk of fire, but you ruin the oil. 

Once your oil is hot, take the fish out of the milk, drag them through the
corn meal mix, covering both sides, and place them in the skillet.  Cook them
until they are a nice golden brown and the tails are crispy.  Eat the fish 
and the tails (the crispy part).

Allow the oil to cool, strain it into a suitable container, and store it in
the refrig.  Use it any time you want to fry fish.  This treatment of the oil
works for deep-frying as well.

Bliss Bailey
Auburn University, AL
bailebn@mail.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: fox@shab08.larc.nasa.gov (Mike Fox)
Subject: Fishing Catalogs
Originator: fox@shab08.larc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:57:22 GMT





Could someone please post the names and addresses of fishing catalogs for
freshwater and light-saltwater supplies.

Thankyou!
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: D. S. K. Magnuson <dsk@scrc.umanitoba.ca>
Subject: Re: Campbell River BC salmon question
Organization: spinal cord research centre
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:52:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.205422.7575@intelhf.hf.intel.com> David Covell,
dcovell@pcocd2.intel.com writes:
>I hear the fishing is excellent up there in August...can anyone vouch
for this?
>Any advice will be really appreciated; I don't know how many years will
go by
>before i have the chance to do this again, so I'd like to make it a good
>trip (i.e. make sure my wife catches a few nice ones!)