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From: btbg1194@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bradley T Banko)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: ARRL RPTR Directory Stinks :-( (?)
Keywords: Coordinators Editors
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:14:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bvtn0I.nM
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

As easy as it is to put up a packet BBS or such, I don't blame the ARRL
or frequency coordinators for not wanting to track the changes there.
I don't have any idea about how much staff the ARRL has for this stuff,
but I think that the repeater directory is a fine, first-order approximation
to repeater frequencies for those who are travelling.
Once you get one or two frequencies in an area, the hams can point you to
other repeaters.

Maybe some packeteers should start collecting information on packet
BBS's and frequencies for a new publication?  One that could cater to
the special aspects of packet networking.

How about it?

73 de kb8cne @ n9lnq.il (145.01), Brad
Urbana, Il


-- 
Brad Banko;  Dept of Physics;  U of Illinois;  b-banko@uiuc.edu
=========================================================================
Tatiana Gutsu for President!                     73 de kb8cne @ n9lnq.il
From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: FRAUD ALERT - CD-ROM vendor
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:26:39 GMT
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA

In article <8147@public.BTR.COM>,
    grady@public.BTR.COM ( ) writes:

| The truth is always a sufficient defense to
| a Libel suit.

In America, perhaps...  It generally has to be in the public interest as
well, as determined by a usually-conservative court...  The defamation laws
are a minefield in Australia, thus many wrong-doings go unreported.

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@esi.COM.AU                ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave
           Disclaimer: "Me, speak for us?"
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: bwilkins@iat.holonet.net (Bob Wilkins n6fri)
Subject: Re: ARRL RPTR Directory Stinks :-( (?)
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:45:41 GMT

The ARRL compiles lists that are sent in by the recognized local repeater
coordinators. This is done once a year. In Northern California there are
over a hundred changes just to the voice repeater listings. About a 10 -
15 percent update.

Does one really need a directory to operate packet ?

I dont think so...

Nodes will tell you of Routes....

BBS s have files of info if you just look.

Northern Amateur Relay Council of California publishes a Local Repeater
Directory twice a year. Four Dollars postage paid. PO BOX 60531 Sunnyvale,
CA 94088-0531

What kind of digital activity should be published ?

Network Nodes     KaNodes  BBS  PacketCluster TCP.IP servers

in other words service providers....

Should the 5000 home digis in nor calif be published ? NOT

Bob Wilkins  n6fri    <editor Northern California Repeater Directory>
From: fms@sw.stratus.com (Faith Senie)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: CW Recertification
Keywords: General through Extra to be Retested
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:06:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <4437@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us>, lancelot@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us writes:
> 
> I understand that due to the need for more higher class calls
> for the newest class of CW graduates, there is a secret plan to
> propose to the FCC that all higher class licensees General through
> Extra who have held their license for over five years will be
> required to recertify by taking the appropriate CW test when they
> renew. Those not passing would be assigned a Novice or Tech class
> license and the appropriate call assigned...anyone else heard about this?
> 
> -- 
> 

Ah, yes, I HAVE heard of this.  I believe I heard about it this past April.

In fact, I believe it was April 1st...  :-)


73 de Faith N1JIT

-- 
Faith M. Senie            InterNet: fms@vos.stratus.com
Stratus Computer, Inc.    InterNet: fms@hoop.sw.stratus.com
55 Fairbanks Blvd.       Pkt Radio: n1jit@ka1srd.ma.usa.na
Marlboro, MA 01752           Phone: (508)460-2632

"I'm afraid I don't know very much about Romulan Disruptor settings" --Spock
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
From: mwgordon@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Gordon)
Subject: Re: How to Transfer a Call Sign
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 01:05:43 GMT

In article <1b3912INNkoc@news.aero.org> obrien@aero.org (Mike O'Brien) writes:
>At the recent ARRL National Convention, the FCC rep said that they
>recognize that hams want to be able to pick their callsigns, but that
>they don't have the wherewithal to do it, seeing as they're running
>a computer system that dates from the 1960's (never mind the laser
>printer someone seems to have bought for them).  They intend as a
>matter of policy to allow this in several years when the computer system
>is upgraded sufficiently to let them administer such a program without
>increasing their workload.

   Can't somebody donate an XT to our boys at the Friendly Candy Company?
Anything made since 1979 should be able to handle this "major programming
change" with no problem.
 
   Seems to me that this "insuficent computer" is a wonderful excuse to
keep from offering us even the slightest "extra" service.
 
Mike Gordon   N9LOI 99681084@uwwvax.uww.edu
From: jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: ARRL DIGITAL COMMITTE REVISED REPORT 9/26/92
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:38:56 EDT

willis@cs.tamu.edu (Willis Marti) writes:
>Quoted from the Report:
>"97.216 Unattended Digital Station
>(a) Any amateur station licensed to a holder of a General, Advanced or 
>Amateur Extra Class license may be an unattended digital station."
>What a load of hooey!  I'd like WA0CQG, Carl Estey, to present any
>resaonable rationale for this line.

Perhaps because the Novice HF bands are already narrow enough without
carving out a piece of them for packet?  Or would you be happy to have
Technicians allowed to operate unattended digital stations as long as
they did it on frequencies they weren't allowed to transmit on?
From: lancelot@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: CW Recertification
Keywords: General through Extra to be Retested
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 19:46:43 PDT
Reply-To: lancelot@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
Distribution: usa


I understand that due to the need for more higher class calls
for the newest class of CW graduates, there is a secret plan to
propose to the FCC that all higher class licensees General through
Extra who have held their license for over five years will be
required to recertify by taking the appropriate CW test when they
renew. Those not passing would be assigned a Novice or Tech class
license and the appropriate call assigned...anyone else heard about this?

-- 

Brett Breitwieser / KC6UPU @ N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA / grid CM86XX
lancelot@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us   (...netcom!cruzio!lancelot)
425 Ninth Ave., Santa Cruz, CA. 95062-3915 / (408)475-9156 voice
genie: A.BREITWIESE  / fido: 1:216/509 / SETI: the Ultimate DX
From: gak@n5abi.hou.tx.us (Gene A. Kennedy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: How to Transfer a Call Sign
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 01:04:22 CDT
Organization: Ham Radio Operator, Houston Tex.

William=E.=Newkirk%Pubs%GenAv.Mlb@ns14.cca.CR.rockwell.COM writes:

>  
> >Even
> >enlisting the aid of your political representives has failed to
> >make any difference. Let's face it, the FCC just don't give a damn
> >about hams.
>  
> You're just upset that your desires have run up against policy and policy won
> People locally want to turn right on red from eastbound University onto
> southbound Babcock and the cops are very happy to hand out QSLs (was made
> no turn on red to give pedestrians a break-too many just charged on around th
> corner if they saw no oncoming traffic left without looking for people to the
> right and the westbound left turning traffic in front that had a green arrow)
>  
 I would have no problem at all if the policy had a sound basis 
like the "no right on red" case you mention, but the fact is that 
this policy has no real basis. If you remember, they did allow you 
to request certain call letters at one time. The only reason for 
the policy (or so they told me) is that they consider such 
requests an "unnecessary workload". I was also told that the 
policy could be changed back again some time in the future (though 
I doubt that), if the administrator decides to do so. I still have 
the distinct impression that they really don't give a damn about 
Hams, and consider them little more than a nuisance. BTW, how do 
you think commercial radio stations get all those "catchy" calls?

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
          Gene Kennedy - Ham Radio Operator, N5ABI - 
                      gak@n5abi.hou.tx.us
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
From: nelson@seq.uncwil.edu (Jim Nelson)
Subject: Re: How to Transfer a Call Sign
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:48:01 GMT

Besides, callsigns are those of stations, not operators. :-)

-- 
Jim Nelson UNC-Wilmington Mathematical Sciences Dept.
Wilmington NC 28403 919-395-3300 
nelson@seq.uncwil.edu
K4XE 146.82 K4XE@N4CCK
From: William=E.=Newkirk%Pubs%GenAv.Mlb@ns14.cca.CR.rockwell.COM
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: How to Transfer a Call Sign
Date: 8 Oct 1992 08:27:41 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

>him) and have been told that I can write all the letters I want,
>but that they simply won't even consider such requests. All in all
 
This is correct.  And I believe correct policy (K3VOA notwithstanding).
 
>I have gotten nothing but total lack of interest on the part of
>anyone at FCC.
 
It's not a lack of interest.  It's the boredom of having to tell yet another
ham the rules and policies in a non-inflammatory manner.  (I bet it sounded
like the cookie commercial - "Our solar system has nine planets ...
Mercury..")  They could have told you "Smoo!"
 
>In my case, the call my Dad held was issued in 1932
>to him and he is the only one to ever hold that call, and he was
>active (except during WWII) from 1932 until last year.
 
And in today's environment even more people are going to hold a single call
from "cradle to grave".  Callsigns don't change when you move.  You have your
call, your dad had his call.  I've lived in 3 states and still have the same
call.
 
>Even
>enlisting the aid of your political representives has failed to
>make any difference. Let's face it, the FCC just don't give a damn
>about hams.
 
You're just upset that your desires have run up against policy and policy won.
People locally want to turn right on red from eastbound University onto
southbound Babcock and the cops are very happy to hand out QSLs (was made
no turn on red to give pedestrians a break-too many just charged on around the
corner if they saw no oncoming traffic left without looking for people to the
right and the westbound left turning traffic in front that had a green arrow).
 
>          Gene Kennedy - Ham Radio Operator, N5ABI -
 
N5ABI has a pretty good CW rhythm....I don't know if i would give that up.
 
bill wb9ivr
Xref: sparky rec.radio.amateur.policy:1761 rec.radio.amateur.misc:16845 rec.radio.amateur.packet:2687
From: steve@zero.com (Steve Urich)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: ARRL RPTR Directory Stinks :-( (?)
Summary: I'll never buy a repeater directory again.
Date: 10 Oct 92 23:00:51 GMT
Organization: Beyonet - Zero Network

In article <1992Oct9.022433.7423@col.hp.com> bobw@col.hp.com (Bob Witte) writes:
>   It seems to me that the packet stuff is evolving and changing so fast
>   that the ARRL ought to just drop it from the repeater directory.
>   It seems like a bit of a mismatch anyway ('course, then there's the
>   listing of Beacons!! Sheesh.)

	I think they should drop it if they can't handle it. Then again they
	should get rid of the beacon list and all of the other non repeater
	info. But why don't they do this? Because it would make the publication
	smaller and then they can't sell it for $6.00 therefore they would
	not be making the profit by selling a directory that hardly changed
	at all since the last directory. Imagine if they had only the repeater
	info in there I would only buy a book once and never buy it again
	because it wouldn't be worth buying since it didn't change much in
	4 or 5 years get it? Its all a ARRL scam to produce a half-assed
	directory with other bells and whistles with pages then last years
	so it looks like things are happening for the advertisers. Too bad
	the info is so outdated and wrong because it can't keep up with
	the new technology out there. I'll never buy an repeater directory
	again from ARRL until they catch up with the responsabilities.

	Whats the other repeater directories name that was mentioned out
	there with the "provate" repeater info?


-- 
|Stephen Urich|        Internet:steve@zero.com         | "Cattle mutilations  |
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: jhays@boi.hp.com (John_D. Hays)
Subject: Re: ARRL RPTR Directory Stinks :-( (?)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:21:56 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise Printer Division

In article <Bw0xK6.2CI@iat.holonet.net> bwilkins@iat.holonet.net (Bob Wilkins n6fri) writes:
>
>What kind of digital activity should be published ?
>
The frequencies and modes should be documented in the repeater directory,
co-ordination gives legitimacy in disputes.

On another note, we need to adopt a "highest and best use" philosophy
on co-ordination --- i.e. a public service club with large membership should
get precedance for a repeater pair, before 2 people who want a private
repeater to yak 10 minutes a day on the way to work whent hey could easily
operate simplex, or use a shared repeater.

John KD7UW

-- 
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Firmware Engineer              |       [INTERNET]              jhays@boi.hp.com
Boise Printer Division         |       [GEnie]                             HAYS
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From: alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:02:37 GMT
Subject: Re: How to Transfer a Call Sign
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy

In rec.radio.amateur.policy, gak@n5abi.hou.tx.us (Gene A. Kennedy) writes:


>> rogerm@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Roger Myers) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> >Hello Fello Hams,
>> 
>> >     Does anyone know of any way I can tranfer my dad's call sign to me? 
>> 
> If you find anything that works, let me know! I have tried 
>everything I can think of, including long distance calls to the 
>...  Even 
>enlisting the aid of your political representives has failed to 
>make any difference. Let's face it, the FCC just don't give a damn 
>about hams.

I think the reason for the FCC's stand on this is a big callsign scandal
that happened 10 or 15 years ago.  Turned out some FCC officials were
trading callsigns for money and personal favors.  Several people went to
jail.  Ever since then, the FCC has been very gun-shy about any kind
of non-regulation callsign assignment.

AL N1AL

From: alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:05:18 GMT
Subject: Re: How to Transfer a Call Sign
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy

In rec.radio.amateur.policy, nelson@seq.uncwil.edu (Jim Nelson) writes:

> It has not, except for that short aberrant time period around
> 1978 or so, ever been [FCC's] policy to accept requests for specific
> callsigns in the Amateur Radio Service.  

Except for previously-held callsigns.  For a long time they accepted
requeests for a callsign you had held in the past.

AL N1AL
^^   ^^
(Was present during that "short aberrant time period around 1978")
From: bagdy@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Mark Bagdy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: FRAUD ALERT - CD-ROM vendor
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:46:18 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, berger@atropa (Mike Berger) writes:

    jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
    >This is a fraud alert.  The following letter was FAXed and certified mailed
    >to MAX systems AKA "Mr. CD" on Friday, October 2nd.  As a result of my 
    *----


    This really surprises me, since I've bought from him a few times.
    I've never had a problem with the merchandise, and prices were
    very good.  I have considered mail-order from him (but he's been
    at enough hamfests this season that I haven't needed to).


Wondering...  Doesn't a posting like this, prior to knowing *fully* the
reasons, circumstances, etc. open one up to a libel suit?  What if the
owner reads notes, too?  What if he documents that a drastic decrease in
business was caused by a negative posting... etc. etc.

Any thoughts?  
MRB
Xref: sparky rec.radio.amateur.policy:1794 rec.radio.amateur.misc:17153 rec.radio.amateur.packet:2736
From: kthompso@donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Ken Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: ARRL RPTR Directory Stinks :-( (?)
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:30:52 GMT
Organization: NCR Corporation Wichita, KS

There are problems in the listings for Kansas anyway.
Many machines, including mine, that  should be listed:

o(ca)ez

open repeater, closed autopatch, 911, emergency power

are instead listed:

ocez

I do not know what an open closed repeater is.
The repeater council and the ARRL seem to blame each other for mistakes.

-- 
Ken Thompson    N0ITL  
NCR Corp.  Peripheral Products Division   Disk Array Development
3718 N. Rock Road  Wichita KS 67226   (316)636-8783
Ken.Thompson@wichitaks.ncr.com
From: ron@topaz.bds.com (Ron Natalie)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Plan for the future (was How to Transfer a Call Sign)
Date: 13 Oct 1992 14:38:01 GMT
Organization: BDS Systems
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.bds.com
Keywords: call sign transfer

> How about this one.  Have kids until you get one that is the same gender
> as yourself.  Name the child as a Jr.   Now you are John Smith Sr. and
> your son is John Smith Jr.  When you die John Jr. takes the exam or
> gives up his license and files a 610 to renew your ticket with a change
> of address to his own home.

Yes, but the hard part if filing for a change of date of birth on the
father's license :-O


-Ron Natalie Jr. (My father is not a ham).
Xref: sparky rec.radio.amateur.policy:1752 rec.radio.amateur.misc:16789 rec.radio.amateur.packet:2672
From: jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: ARRL RPTR Directory Stinks :-( (?)
Date: 10 Oct 1992 15:23:42 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu
Keywords: Coordinators Editors


I have a list of packet and repeater stations for Wisconsin.  I could post it
if everyone wants, but it is 38K.  :)  Is there a site where I should put it up
for FTP?
From: sprouse@n3igw.pgh.pa.us (Ken Sprouse)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Plan for the future (was How to Transfer a Call Sign)
Keywords: call sign transfer
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:06:13 GMT
Organization: Sprouse Consulting, Oakmont, Pa.


How about this one.  Have kids until you get one that is the same gender
as yourself.  Name the child as a Jr.   Now you are John Smith Sr. and
your son is John Smith Jr.  When you die John Jr. takes the exam or
gives up his license and files a 610 to renew your ticket with a change
of address to his own home.  See its not that difficult. :-)   Really
folks.  I think we put far too much emphasis on call signs.  I was
originally licensed as WN3FKG in 1966.  I wouldn't mind having that call
back again but I won't do any backflips to get it.  If I could check on
box on the 610 next time I renew (and maybe have to pay a few bucks) to
get my old call I'de do it but thats about as far as I would go.  I have
several higher priorities to chew on my elected officials about than
pressing the FCC to give me a hand picked call sign.  By the way, I
happen to think that in the not to distant future you will be able to
write in your call sign of choice on the 610 (with some limitations) for
a price.  Just my 2 cents worth, and worth every penny you paid for it.

	73's
	----Ken / N3IGW

-- 

Ken Sprouse / N3IGW       sprouse@n3igw.pgh.pa.us      Oakmont, Pa.

GEnie mail KSPROUSE /  Packet radio n3igw@w2xo.pa.usa.noam
From: grady@public.BTR.COM ( )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: FRAUD ALERT - CD-ROM vendor
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:26:11 GMT
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. For info contact: info@BTR.COM

The truth is always a sufficient defense to
a Libel suit.

-- 
Grady Ward  grady@btr.com  Moby Lexicons
From: alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: CW Recertification
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:28:47 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA

In rec.radio.amateur.policy, lancelot@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us writes:

>I understand that due to the need for more higher class calls
>for the newest class of CW graduates, there is a secret plan to
>propose to the FCC that all higher class licensees General through
>Extra who have held their license for over five years will be
>required to recertify by taking the appropriate CW test when they
>renew. Those not passing would be assigned a Novice or Tech class
>license and the appropriate call assigned...anyone else heard about this?

Sounds like a great idea to me.  In fact, I think the required speed
should increase 5 wpm with each renewal.  (That's 1 wpm a year, a 
nice round number.)  When the speed gets up to about 40 wpm or so,
most of the LIDs would have to drop out and go back to CB.  (When
the speed gets up to 50 wpm or so, N1AL would have to drop out...)

It would be a perfect way to get rid of the old farts and keep down the
average age of the ham population, a major goal.

So what's the FCC address for filing NPRM's?

AL N1AL   :=)
From: borm@cs.ubc.ca (Eric Borm)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Interference with a cellular installation
Date: 15 Oct 1992 13:07:11 -0700
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: nanton.cs.ubc.ca

  I am soon to be moving into a new apartment which happens to be
directly below a cellular antenna.  An antenna in my apartment would
be less than 5 meters from the phone company's antenna.

  I do not want to interfere with the operation of the cell.  Does
anyone have any experience with this type of situation??  Please, if
you are going to quote rules, realize that I am in Canada, so US rules
may or may not apply.  I would prefer practical advice (should I
expect my transmitter to interfere with the cell, should I expect it
to interfere with me, etc).

  I assume I should contact the phone company as well.  Who should I
ask to speak to??

  Thanks--Eric
  KB5KMV
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