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From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: The Swedenfinns seek official support from Finland
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:15:14 GMT

[ Article crossposted from soc.culture.nordic ]
[ Author was Jarmo Ryyti ]
[ Posted on Thu, 17 Dec 1992 06:57:11 GMT ]

An other attempt with better english...)

: This is a translation of the latest issue of Ruotsinsuomalainen (Swedenfinn)
:  of the 10.12.1992.
: 
: FOR THE MINORITY STATuS IS SEEKED SUPPORT FROM FINLAND (was the headline)
: 
: For the aim of the Swedenfinns to attain an ethnic and lingual minority
: status is seeked now official support from Finland.
: 
: The issue is taken on the agenda of The Committee of the Immigration and
: Refugee issues set by Finland's cabinet, (Suomen valtioneuvoston asettama
: pakolais- ja siirtolaisasiain neuvosto), who gave the declaration of
: the minority status made by the swedenfinnish organisations for the Finnish
: governement last friday. (4.12.92) The Committee of the Immigration and
: Refugee issues for their part received the proclamation of the minority
  status during the  Roots in Finland-festivities last august. 
: 
: According to the committee, Finland shall include the Swedenfinnish
  aim for the minority status into  the issues in official  negotiations
  between Finland and Sweden.
: 
: On the communication made by the committee is reminded prime minister Carl
: Bildt charactrazing the situation of the swedenfinns. Bild has given
  a statement that due to a long common history of the countries,
   finnish settlements in Sweden and great numbers of swedenfinns give
  a right to give a special status for the swedenfinns.
: 
: 
: Ps.
: My comments,
: 
: Very difficult to translate, because of byreucratical text!
 You should notice that Carl Bildt is a concervative. During the social
  democratical time swedish
: governements aimed only to assimilate swedenfinns by all means.
: As the peak of all swedish faschism Ms. Anita Gradin declared publicly
: "Sweden is monolingual and remains monolingual". She is a prominent
: politician in Sweden, normally you heard such speeches in South-Africa
: and in Nazi-Germany but Sweden is no exeption. Her speeches however did
: not rise international publicity. Source for the latest statement is
: an issue of Etel{-Suomen Sanomat, a respectful newspaper in Finland,
: issue of 11.12.92
: 
: Down with swedish faschism and oppression of the finns in Sweden!
: regards,
: jarmo ryyti
: 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.banladesh,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.jewish
From: wolfi@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Schwanke)
Subject: Re: Most difficult language
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:21:13 GMT

carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca)  writes:

>Hi!
>
>CW>To start another thread: what European (Indo- or not) language is
>CW>considered most difficult?  Russian, Czech, and Slovak vie for the top
>CW>honors, but other languages have their intricacies.
>
>German! The orthographic difficulties resulting out of the
>capitalization of nouns is unsurpassed.

I don't see any difficulty in the rule "If it's a noun, use upper case".
One could even argue that it's a simplification. German should be quite easy
to learn for English speakers, as both languages are closely related.
Dutch is probably much easier though.

>Not to mention the huge number
>of irregular verbs and the latin-like grammar (3 genders and four
>cases).

4 cases Latin like? Latin has 6, so has Russian. Finnish has 12 (or more?)
cases, is non Indoeuropean, therefore especially hard to learn for most people
on the net (apologies to you Fins out there :) and has quite an impressive set
of umlauts. I vote for Finnish.

>That, if we restrict ourselves to European languages. Otherwise,
>I'd suggest Chinese (Boy, I wonder if the European brain is
>anatomically able to learn it! :-) ).

I thought the Chinese language was quite easy in grammar, only the alphabet
was the hard bit.

>Cheers, Carl.
>
> * OLX 2.1 TD * The price of freedom is eternal vigilance

Of course, my statement is biased as it comes from a native German speaker,
but so did the previous one :-).



Merry Christmas

Wolfgang

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   Everybody needs a little love sometime; stop hacking and fall in love!
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: More Greek Atrocities towards Supermarket Cashiers
Date: 18 Dec 1992 08:48:50 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Arxid, or the pride of AT&T, Hasan B-) Mutlu) writes:
(* (*      Armenian Soldiers Massacre Hundreds of Fleeing Families:
(* (*  
(* >Yea, one comment, Arxid Effendi... I just got a wonderful idea of what to
(* >do the next time an idiotic teenager working as a supermarket cashier
(* >makes cute remarks about Tri*'s name. How's this:
(* >        Tri* Family Massacres Dozens of Supermarket Cashiers
(* 
(* What else is new, anyway?
(*  
(*  <<In Corfu Jews were subjected to violent attacks and almost constant
(*   persecution by its Greek population. They had to row in the galleys
(*   even when they had committed no crime. They had to provide food and
(*   lodging for soldiers on demand, were required to go to Greek law courts
(*   on the Sabbath as well as during Jewish festivals, and as elsewhere in
(*   the Byzantine empire they were compelled to act as public executioners,
(*   adding to the public wrath to which they were normally subjected. After
(*   Venice took control of the island in 1386, conditions became even worse.>>
 
See, Arxid Effendi, the problem with the Jews of Corfu was that they were
running the local supermarkets. Since Jewish names are typically shorter 
and simpler to pronounce than Greek names, this was the root cause of the
conflict. 

 "A Greek would go to buy turkey and chicken at the local Jewish-run supermarket.
 Invariably the teenage daughter of the owner, let's call her Bitchme Errrrin,
 (with four r's, like Purrrrdue) would try some idiotic comment on the
 customer's name. The customer would then get pissed and perform indescribable
 acts of violence against Bitchme. It is theorized that the idiotic
 teenagers learned of the practice, called turk-o-phonics, during summer
 visits to the motherland. [1]"

 "The conflict continued thru the centuries as the Jewish run supermarkets
 had excellent prices and food stuff, but rude teenagers in the checkout
 line. Caught in the dillema of excellent prices vs. turk-o-phonics, the
 conflict widened... [2]"

[1] [2] "The Modern Supermarket, Myths and Truths", by Ispirtoski Sipaoglu,
Purrrrdue University, West Lafayette, TRNC, 1992, pages 22 to 22.

Spiros
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
From: "peter pfeifer" <peter.pfeifer@canrem.com>
Subject: nothing important
Reply-To: "peter pfeifer" <peter.pfeifer@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 20 Dec 92 23:06:05 EST

just testing
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From: KADAR@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: AGORA-SCMPOST RFE/RL Daily Report 18 DEC, 1992 (excerpts)
Date: 18 Dec 1992 13:16:58 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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VOJVODINA HUNGARIANS PROTEST.  According to a 17 December MTI
report, the Democratic Community of Hungarians from Vojvodina has
organized a march in Szeged protesting the Serbian leadership
decision not to allow imigri ethnic Hungarians to participate in
the 20 December elections. The Serbian leadership did not make it
possible for the Vojvodina Hungarians to return safely to vote in
Vojvodina and has refused to set up polling places in Hungary.
Several Hungarian parties and organizations supported the protest.
(Judith Pataki, RFE/RL, Inc.)
 
HUNGA PARLIAMENT VOTES ON BUDGET AND ABORTION.  On 17 December
Parliament passed the 1993 budget, MTI reports. This was the
Antall government's third budget, but the first to be accepted
well before the end of the year. Parliament has also voted on the
controversial abortion issue.  Of two versions, Parliament opted
for the more liberal draft law giving women freedom of choice. The
version that passed gives a woman the right to have an abortion in
the first 12 weeks of pregnancy if her life is in danger, the
fetus is unhealthy, the pregnancy was a result of a criminal act,
or if the woman is in a crisis situation.  The latter provision
can be interpreted very broadly, and the law, which does not
significanly change the decree on abortions currently in force,
seems unlikely to decrease the unusually high Hungarian abortion
rate.  The issue came before Parliament because the Constitutional
Court had ruled that abortion must be regulated by law and not
decree.  (Judith Pataki, RFE/RL, Inc.)
 
The RFE/RL Daily Report is produced by the RFE/RL Research
Institute (a division of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, Inc.)
with the assistance of the RFE/RL News and Current Affairs
Division (NCA). The report is available by electronic mail
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Sovset' computer bulletin board, by fax, and by postal mail.
From: judith@media.mit.edu (Judith Donath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: On-line dictionary
Date: 17 Dec 92 07:09:47 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.magyar
Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory



Does anyone know of an electronic dictionary or other translation
aid for translating Hungarian into English?  Any platform
(Macintosh/IBM/Unix etc) is fine.


						Thank you,

						Judith S. Donath
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
From: rvarga@alfred.carleton.ca (Romulusz Varga)
Subject: Re: How do you say.....
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:21:50 GMT

In article <92350.011348CMLEE@MTUS5.BITNET> <CMLEE@MTUS5.BITNET> writes:
>Hello, Can anyone in this newsgroup tell me how do you say Merry Christmas
>and Happy New Year? Thanx!!!

            ,       ..                  ,  ,        
Kellemes Karacsonyi Uneppeket es Boldog Uj Evet!

>BTW, Merry Christmas and Happay New Year.
>
>Antonio

Same to you and everyone else!

Romy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Subject: Anybody with a copy of Maqyar FAQ?
Organization: Systems'n'Software
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 04:34:37 GMT

iSomebody out there with a recent copy of the Magyar FAQ?

Please post or e-mail to me....

Al
From: KADAR@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: AGORA-SCMPOST RFE/RL Daily Report 16 DEC, 1992 (excerpts)
Date: 16 Dec 1992 13:25:08 -0600
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CROATIAN PRIME MINISTER VISITS HUNGARY. Croatian Prime Minister
Hrvoje Sarinic will pay a one-day working visit to Hungary on 16
December at the invitation of Prime Minister Jozsef Antall, MTI
reported on 15 December.  Accompanied by his ministers in charge
of foreign trade, agriculture, and communications, Sarinic will
meet with President Arpad Goncz and Speaker of the Parliament
Gyorgy Szabad. The two countries will sign a basic treaty
governing their relationships.  The two countries stressed that
their increasingly warm ties are not directed against any states
of formegoslavia.  (Judith Pataki, RFE/RL, Inc.)
 
EC OBSERVERS IN HUNGARY.  In accordance with an agreement signed
between Hungary and the European Community, eight members of an EC
observation team have arrived in Szeged.  The team will monitor
problems on Hungary's southern border arising as a result of the
civil war in rump Yugoslavia. The EC mission includes participants
from Great Britain, Denmark, Portugal, and Italy; all are unarmed.
They will cooperate with the Hungarian authorities including the
police, the army and the border guards.  Should the need arise,
more observers would be called in, MTI reported on 15 December.
(Judith Pataki, RFE/RL, Inc.)
 
The RFE/RL Daily Report is produced by the RFE/RL Research
Institute (a division of Radio Friberty, Inc.)
with the assistance of the RFE/RL News and Current Affairs
DivisiU), on the
Sovset' computer bulletin board, by fax, and by postal mail.
From: judith@media.mit.edu (Judith Donath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: On-line dictionary
Date: 17 Dec 92 07:12:03 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.magyar
Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory



Does anyone know of an electronic dictionary or other translation
aid for translating Hungarian into English?  Any platform
(Macintosh/IBM/Unix etc) is fine.


						Thank you,

						Judith S. Donath
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
From: "peter pfeifer" <peter.pfeifer@canrem.com>
Subject: a survey on hungarian rev
Reply-To: "peter pfeifer" <peter.pfeifer@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 20 Dec 92 23:06:05 EST


Hi Olivier,
do you know how I could receive these reports from HIRMONDO on a regular
basis?
Thank you for your help
Peter
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World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
From: levenstec@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: <None>
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:56:04 GMT

Fourth Annual Conference on Environment and Health in Eastern 
and Central Europe will be in Eger, Hungary, May 31 - June 6,
1993.  The theme will be "Reconstructing Public Health Systems:
Implications for Occupational and Environmental Health."  
Please contact Prof. Charles Levenstein, Work Environment
Dept., University of Massachusetts at Lowell, for further
information.  (LEVENSTEC@WOODS.ULOWELL.EDU)
From: KADAR@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: AGORA-SCMPOST Humanitarian aid for Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina
 <from s.c.e>
Date: 20 Dec 1992 15:38:08 -0600
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NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I picked this up from s.c.europe              /     Zoli
From: KADAR@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: AGORA-SCMPOST RFE/RL Daily Report 17 DEC, 1992 (excerpts)
Date: 17 Dec 1992 15:58:50 -0600
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HUNGARIAN, ROMANIAN FOREIGN MINISTERS MEET.  Hungarian Foreign
Minister Geza Jeszenszky met with his Romanian counterpart Teodor
Melescanu at the CSCE foreign ministers conference in Stockholm on
15 December. Talking to a reporter from Hungarian Radio, Jeszenszky
said he has never seen the Romanians as forthcoming and apparently
ready to make commitments. The two ministers agreed on increasing
the number of border crossing points and on reducing the waiting
time and other complications currently encountered at the border.
(Judith Pataki, RFE/RL, Inc.)
 
The RFE/RL Daily Report is produced by the RFE/RL Research
Institute (a division of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, Inc.)
with the assistance of the RFE/RL News and Current Affairs
Division (NCA). The report is available by electronic mail
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Sovset' computer bulletin board, by fax, and by postal mail.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: The Swedenfinns seek official support from Finland
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:24:16 GMT

[ Article crossposted from soc.culture.nordic ]
[ Author was Jarmo Ryyti ]
[ Posted on Thu, 17 Dec 1992 06:57:11 GMT ]

An other attempt with better english...)

: This is a translation of the latest issue of Ruotsinsuomalainen (Swedenfinn)
:  of the 10.12.1992.
: 
: FOR THE MINORITY STATuS IS SEEKED SUPPORT FROM FINLAND (was the headline)
: 
: For the aim of the Swedenfinns to attain an ethnic and lingual minority
: status is seeked now official support from Finland.
: 
: The issue is taken on the agenda of The Committee of the Immigration and
: Refugee issues set by Finland's cabinet, (Suomen valtioneuvoston asettama
: pakolais- ja siirtolaisasiain neuvosto), who gave the declaration of
: the minority status made by the swedenfinnish organisations for the Finnish
: governement last friday. (4.12.92) The Committee of the Immigration and
: Refugee issues for their part received the proclamation of the minority
  status during the  Roots in Finland-festivities last august. 
: 
: According to the committee, Finland shall include the Swedenfinnish
  aim for the minority status into  the issues in official  negotiations
  between Finland and Sweden.
: 
: On the communication made by the committee is reminded prime minister Carl
: Bildt charactrazing the situation of the swedenfinns. Bild has given
  a statement that due to a long common history of the countries,
   finnish settlements in Sweden and great numbers of swedenfinns give
  a right to give a special status for the swedenfinns.
: 
: 
: Ps.
: My comments,
: 
: Very difficult to translate, because of byreucratical text!
 You should notice that Carl Bildt is a concervative. During the social
  democratical time swedish
: governements aimed only to assimilate swedenfinns by all means.
: As the peak of all swedish faschism Ms. Anita Gradin declared publicly
: "Sweden is monolingual and remains monolingual". She is a prominent
: politician in Sweden, normally you heard such speeches in South-Africa
: and in Nazi-Germany but Sweden is no exeption. Her speeches however did
: not rise international publicity. Source for the latest statement is
: an issue of Etel{-Suomen Sanomat, a respectful newspaper in Finland,
: issue of 11.12.92
: 
: Down with swedish faschism and oppression of the finns in Sweden!
: regards,
: jarmo ryyti
: 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: The Swedenfinns seek official support from Finland
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:22:39 GMT

[ Article crossposted from soc.culture.nordic ]
[ Author was Jarmo Ryyti ]
[ Posted on Thu, 17 Dec 1992 06:57:11 GMT ]

An other attempt with better english...)

: This is a translation of the latest issue of Ruotsinsuomalainen (Swedenfinn)
:  of the 10.12.1992.
: 
: FOR THE MINORITY STATuS IS SEEKED SUPPORT FROM FINLAND (was the headline)
: 
: For the aim of the Swedenfinns to attain an ethnic and lingual minority
: status is seeked now official support from Finland.
: 
: The issue is taken on the agenda of The Committee of the Immigration and
: Refugee issues set by Finland's cabinet, (Suomen valtioneuvoston asettama
: pakolais- ja siirtolaisasiain neuvosto), who gave the declaration of
: the minority status made by the swedenfinnish organisations for the Finnish
: governement last friday. (4.12.92) The Committee of the Immigration and
: Refugee issues for their part received the proclamation of the minority
  status during the  Roots in Finland-festivities last august. 
: 
: According to the committee, Finland shall include the Swedenfinnish
  aim for the minority status into  the issues in official  negotiations
  between Finland and Sweden.
: 
: On the communication made by the committee is reminded prime minister Carl
: Bildt charactrazing the situation of the swedenfinns. Bild has given
  a statement that due to a long common history of the countries,
   finnish settlements in Sweden and great numbers of swedenfinns give
  a right to give a special status for the swedenfinns.
: 
: 
: Ps.
: My comments,
: 
: Very difficult to translate, because of byreucratical text!
 You should notice that Carl Bildt is a concervative. During the social
  democratical time swedish
: governements aimed only to assimilate swedenfinns by all means.
: As the peak of all swedish faschism Ms. Anita Gradin declared publicly
: "Sweden is monolingual and remains monolingual". She is a prominent
: politician in Sweden, normally you heard such speeches in South-Africa
: and in Nazi-Germany but Sweden is no exeption. Her speeches however did
: not rise international publicity. Source for the latest statement is
: an issue of Etel{-Suomen Sanomat, a respectful newspaper in Finland,
: issue of 11.12.92
: 
: Down with swedish faschism and oppression of the finns in Sweden!
: regards,
: jarmo ryyti
:
Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.
Date: Tuesday, 15 Dec 1992 01:13:48 EST
From: <CMLEE@MTUS5.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: How do you say.....

Hello, Can anyone in this newsgroup tell me how do you say Merry Christmas
and Happy New Year? Thanx!!!
BTW, Merry Christmas and Happay New Year.

Antonio
From: KADAR@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: AGORA-SCMPOST Hungarians in Croatia <from s.c.europe>
Date: 20 Dec 1992 15:36:36 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I picked this up from s.c.europe		/	Zoli

Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia,soc.culture.europe
From: blazic@ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC Joseph R)
Subject: Hungarians in Croatia
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:50:18 GMT
Expires: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 05:00:00 GMT

Although ethnic Hungarians were a very substantial minority in Croatia
(particularly in the east, i.e. Baranja and Eastern Slavonia) not much
has been said about their status in the whole conflict.  All non-Serbs
in Serbian-occupied Baranja and Eastern Slavonia have been expelled long
ago.  This of course includes Hungarians. 

Does anyone have exact figures for the number of Hungarians who fled in
total, and the number that fled to Hungary proper and are still there?

Are these people sitting around like most Croatian refugees, waiting for
something to happen so they can return home, or have they given up on
ever returning to the region?

Regards,

Joe Blazic