HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden)
Subject: Re: Countermanding USA Executive Orders
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:45:13 GMT

pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:

>--

>Observation:

>  If USA President X could countermand extant Executive Orders at any
>  time with the stroke of a pen, then any of X's predecessors' extant
>  Executive Orders not countermanded by X would in effect also be X's
>  Executive Orders.

>Question:

>  Does the USA President have the power to countermand extant Executive
>  Orders at any time with the stroke of a pen? Does the Congress have
>  the power to prevent such a countermand (within certain time
>  limits)?

I doubt it, based on the presentment clause. Congress cannot do anything
unless it is submitted to a president for signature or veto. That would
make it a law, not an Executive Order.
 
Bruce E. Hayden
(303) 758-8400
bhayden@csn.org

Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:12269 soc.culture.jewish:20191
From: arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jews in Banks
Date: 17 Nov 92 05:12:36 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL

In article <1992Nov16.160701.16000@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <BxsnnI.A1I@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov14.200904.1705@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>In article <1992Nov10.015508.24588@news.ysu.edu> ad626@yfn.ysu.edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
>>>>
>>>>Although the comment I posted was not my own, I'll try to respond. 
>>>>I think Bo Gritz identified the owners of the Fed  as Jewish because 
>>>>many of them (perhaps a majority from material I have seen) ARE Jewish.
>>>
>>>1. First, that's simply not true.  The major international banks are
>>>   Japanese and American WASP banks that exclude Jews.
>>>
>>Now, perhaps you would like to tell us why you wish us to believe that 
>>major international banks exclude Jews.  Are you perhaps trying to stir
>>up a little antisemitism yourself?  Are Jews not allowed in the doors?
>>Is our money not accepted for deposit?  Are there no Jew on the boards?
>>
>>When you wish to make a point, you simply create more antisemitism by
>>using un truths to make the point.
>
>Eight of the ten largest international banks in the world are Japanese.
>There are no Jews on any of their boards.  Jews are underrepresented
>on the boards of the major banks based in New York City, which, to my
>knowledge, have never had a Jewish CEO.
>
>To say Jews control international banking is ludicrous.  If it were
>true, than Israel wouldn't need loan guarantees, they'd just go to
>the Jewish international bankers with their perfect no-default record,
>no?

First of all, no one but you said anything about Jews controlling
international banking.  The only banks mentioned were the Fed and as
far as I know, none of the Fed banks are owned by Japanese.

Secondly, your statement about loan guarantees is absurd.  Banks don't
loan money because they like people.  they loan money to good risks and
they all know the reason for Israels no default record is because they
are always covered by the American taxpayer.

js
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,soc.culture.jewish
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Jews in Banks
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:07:01 GMT

In article <BxsnnI.A1I@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>In article <1992Nov14.200904.1705@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Nov10.015508.24588@news.ysu.edu> ad626@yfn.ysu.edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
>>>
>>>Although the comment I posted was not my own, I'll try to respond. 
>>>I think Bo Gritz identified the owners of the Fed  as Jewish because 
>>>many of them (perhaps a majority from material I have seen) ARE Jewish.
>>
>>1. First, that's simply not true.  The major international banks are
>>   Japanese and American WASP banks that exclude Jews.
>>
>Now, perhaps you would like to tell us why you wish us to believe that 
>major international banks exclude Jews.  Are you perhaps trying to stir
>up a little antisemitism yourself?  Are Jews not allowed in the doors?
>Is our money not accepted for deposit?  Are there no Jew on the boards?
>
>When you wish to make a point, you simply create more antisemitism by
>using un truths to make the point.

Eight of the ten largest international banks in the world are Japanese.
There are no Jews on any of their boards.  Jews are underrepresented
on the boards of the major banks based in New York City, which, to my
knowledge, have never had a Jewish CEO.

To say Jews control international banking is ludicrous.  If it were
true, than Israel wouldn't need loan guarantees, they'd just go to
the Jewish international bankers with their perfect no-default record,
no?
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,soc.culture.jewish
From: arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:38:06 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL

In article <1992Nov14.200904.1705@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.015508.24588@news.ysu.edu> ad626@yfn.ysu.edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
>>
>>Although the comment I posted was not my own, I'll try to respond. 
>>I think Bo Gritz identified the owners of the Fed  as Jewish because 
>>many of them (perhaps a majority from material I have seen) ARE Jewish.
>
>1. First, that's simply not true.  The major international banks are
>   Japanese and American WASP banks that exclude Jews.
>
>2. The only purpose Gritz would have for identifying the leaders of
>   his loony-conspiracy-theory as Jewish is either to
>	a. Promote anti-Semitism, or
>	b. Appeal to anti-Semites.

Now, perhaps you would like to tell us why you wish us to believe that 
major international banks exclude Jews.  Are you perhaps trying to stir
up a little antisemitism yourself?  Are Jews not allowed in the doors?
Is our money not accepted for deposit?  Are there no Jew on the boards?

When you wish to make a point, you simply create more antisemitism by
using un truths to make the point.
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Committee of 300 - READ ME NOW!
Date: 16 Nov 1992 07:30:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Here I was scanning this book visually at 2400 baud as I downloaded
to my PC via screen capture, thinking what a splendid piece of
intelligence analysis, and so well written, too. Then somewhere in
the depths of part 7 the little racial glitches started to show up,
like where he says that America will be flooded by non-whites who have
no appreciation of our Constitution and will not fight to defend it.
WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP. I think an excellent case can be made that recent
immigrants, many of them non-white, are living American values in their
daily lives better then recent degraded generations of "white Americans".
Immigrants built this country, and this book's writer would do well to
remember this fact. The racial views he expresses would suit him 
admirably for a position with the very oligarchical elites he claims to 
expose. And then a few more paragraphs down he speaks approvingly of
"racial pride". Gag me!! It would make as much sense for me to be 
"proud" of the fact that I carry the gene for alkaline saliva, and thus
have always had perfect teeth. A nice thing, to be sure, but none of
my own doing.

In spite of this gentlemans racial views, however, the bulk of his
analysis appears to be strikingly correct, in the light of what I 
have already surmised from other sources. I urge those here to look
to the genuinely valuable information presented, while being aware
that this individual also appears to have some problems.

-Steve
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism,talk.politics.misc
From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)
Subject: Re: Fascism Almanac: Clippings Sought
Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:27:13 GMT


In article <1992Nov17.194506.13988@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>, 
kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) said:

> Clippings relating to the Christian Identity movement, The Order,
> the Aryan Nation, the Ku Klux Klan, Liberty Lobby, and similar
> right-wing extremist organizations are solicited for transcription
> to ASCII format and inclusion in our fascism-related archives.

Why are you soliciting only for clippings about _right-wing_ extremist
organizations?

-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>

Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:12414 alt.fan.dan-quayle:7067
From: train@gvls2.gvl.unisys.com (Herbert Rutledge)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: 88' Election Last-Minute Misuse of power?
Keywords: kimberlin, pot, jail, coverup, quayle, indiana, law-school
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:35:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Paramax Systems Corporation, Paoli PA

In article <1992Nov22.202750.24151@cs.wayne.edu>, jdc@pandora.cs.wayne.edu 
(Jon Cardwell) writes:

|> I found an article in the New York Times that elaborates
|> into great detail the recent allegations that shortly before
|> the 1988 presidential election that Brett Kimberlin tried
|> to come forward with an allegation that he had sold
|> marijuana to Quayle in the 70's when they were both Law
|> students at Indiana University in Indianapolis.


  Obviously, the circumstances under which Dan would prefer sex to golf.


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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: jdc@pandora.cs.wayne.edu (Jon Cardwell)
Subject: 88' Election Last-Minute Misuse of power?
Keywords: kimberlin, pot, jail, coverup, quayle, indiana, law-school
Organization: Prime Material Plane
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:27:50 GMT

I found an article in the New York Times that elaborates
into great detail the recent allegations that shortly before
the 1988 presidential election that Brett Kimberlin tried
to come forward with an allegation that he had sold
marijuana to Quayle in the 70's when they were both Law
students at Indiana University in Indianapolis.

I though about posting the article in it's entirety, but
alas, it is copyrighted material, and the current military
industrial complex secret cabal of good ol' boys might
decide to make another example of somebody that dared to
stand up against the corruption... So, I'll tell ya'll
where to find it by just including the "abstract":


Article Title:EVIDENCE LINKS '88 BUSH CAMPAIGN TO EFFORT TO SILENCE AN ACCUSER
             OF; QUAYLE

Where found: The New York Times, Late Edition - Final
             Sunday May 3, 1992  Sec: 1  National Desk  p: 30

Abstract:    Recent Evidence collected in connection to a lawsuit by Brett C.
             Kimberlin indicates that the 1988 Bush-Quayle campaign for the
             White House was involved in a decision by the highest official of
             the federal Bureau of Prisons in Washington DC to have Kimberlin
             singled out for punishment due to his attempt to publicize his
             claim that he once sold marijuana to Dan Quayle four-days before
             the 1988 elections, violating established rights of prisoners to
             meet with reporters.

-- 
 jdc@cs.wayne.edu                  // 
 72760.1507@Compuserve.com   Jon Cardwell    W:(313) 761-4700, x3219
                              \\//
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa
From: merlyn@ora.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.privacy,alt.religion.computers,alt.security,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: "Welcome to the Machine"
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:57:33 GMT
Organization: Stonehenge Consulting Services; Portland, Oregon, USA

In article <1er1rqINNlik@nigel.msen.com> dgillmor@msen.com (Dan Gillmor) writes:
   Guess I wasn't clear. I still find it hard to believe that the store would
   deny you entry without the card swipe, or that they'd refuse to take your
   money at the cash register without another swipe of the card.

   Has anyone simply refused to cooperate with them, and then been turned away?

That'd be like forcing your way into CostCo.

It's a "member's only" buying outlet, but membership is free.
That's how they can justify tracking your purchases.

And by the way, their selection or price isn't that much better than
anywhere else, in fact, you can probably out-do it most of the time.
So there's really no attraction in the place, other than being mildly
entertained by all the people-watching.


--
Randal L. Schwartz / Stonehenge Consulting Services (503)777-0095
merlyn@ora.com (semi-permanent) merlyn@reed.edu (for newsreading only)
factoid: "Portland, Oregon, home of the California Raisins and Lone-Star Beer!"
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,soc.culture.jewish
From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Jews in Banks
Summary: Dishonest reply
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 15:20:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.081103.1938@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:

# In article <1992Nov19.125845.27511@ennews.eas.asu.edu>, makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
 
# [text deleted]
 
# > 	As far as I know, even ass-holes like you are free to speak out,
# > so nobody trying to deny you this.
 
# 	And you, Mr. Makowsky, just ended the conversation with your
# personal abuse.

	To which there are at least to possible comments on this dishonest
reply of yours.

	1) You deleted the articles of yours that I had responded to,
	   thereby taking my comments out of context.  When compared to
	   the proper context they were wriiten (i.e. your very own words)
	   it is self explanatory that my comments were more then
	   justified.

	2) Your McCarthyite abuse of some very loyal and patriotic
	   Americans is much worse.  Therefore, you are being hypocritical
	   to not end your articipation in this whole thread (which means
	   with everyone, not just me).
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,soc.culture.jewish
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Jews in Banks
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:03:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.133129.1903@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.040552.17179@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>> You've never run a lobby, then.  That's precisely how lobbies build
>> their influence -- by making themselves seem more influential than
>> they'll ever hope to be.
>
>Maybe that's what they taught you in law school but in real life the
>liar loses all credibility and influence related to it.  

Only if they get caught lying.

You've never had a salesman overexaggerate?  There's even a legal
term for it: "puffing".  Overselling is not fraud, because some
"puffing" is expected.
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.news-media
From: Mitchell.Porter@launchpad.unc.edu (Mitchell Porter)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.horror.cthulhu,alt.slack
Subject: THE COMMITTEE OF 333 - The REAL Enemy
Date: 16 Nov 92 09:50:09 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service

Well, for ages I've wanted to see what this Committee of 300 is all about -
and now a whole damn book on the topic has been posted to alt.conspiracy!
Now, I've only had one quick look, but I can't quite seem to find where
the name came from. Is it something the author made up himself, by analogy
with the "Council of 300" which ran the old mercantile companies? Or do the
Queen of England and her cohorts actually call think of themselves as "members
of the Committee of 300"? Do they have Committee of 300 stationery? Perhaps
I missed the chapter wherein this aspect was explained.

NO, my friends, this "Committee of 300" is but a RED HERRING; the REAL Enemy
is the totally unknown COMMITTEE OF 333! It is THEY who are the CEOs of the
Conspiracy, it is THEY who pull the strings of the Secret Governments, it is
THEY who rig the DEBATES on alt.config! Their VERY NAME is a SINISTER JOKE -
it is a DIABOLICAL CODE for their principal FRONT ORGANIZATION! You see, my
friends, I have discovered by Divine Numerologology that the 3rd letter of
our Great Christian Alphabet is the letter "C", and thus 333 designates the
INITIALS of the Committee's INSTRUMENT OF RECRUITMENT on our campuses: the

--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
From: ddrumm@amiganet.chi.il.us (Daniel Drumm)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Ayn Rand
Date: 18 Nov 92 07:47:21 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems


        I am looking for any information regarding clubs, organizations
or any other information including newsletters concerning the work
and life of Ayn Rand. If you have any information about clubs, rare
books and any other collector's items, please leave me email. 

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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.atheism,misc.taxes
From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Subject: Re: Request - USA statistics on religion and taxes
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 17:36:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.193059.19394@urbana.mcd.mot.com> dhammers@pacific.urbana.mcd.mot.com (David Hammerslag) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.063501.13399@cs.ucla.edu>, pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:

>>What is the annual total of donations to religious organizations
>>in the USA?
>>
>>How much would tax revenues be increased if donations to religious
>>organizations were no longer tax-deductible?

>Be sure to also ask about donations to non-religious charitable organizations
>such as United Way;  I'm sure you don't mean to single out religious 
>organizations.

The following should be distinguished:

       (1) donations to charitable organizations affiliated with
           religious organizations

       (2) donations to the religious organizations themselves.

Donations to the United Way are like case (1). I was really talking
about case (2), to which the establishment clause of the First
Amendment to the USA Constitution arguably applies.

I *did* mean to "single out" religious organizations, and arguably so
did the USA's "Founding Fathers".

-- Brad Pierce --

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,soc.culture.jewish
From: egw@utkvx2.utk.edu (Wolpert, Edward Greenwal)
Subject: Re: Jews in Banks
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:31:00 GMT

In article <BxuH51.Myw@ddsw1.mcs.com>, arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes...
>In article <1992Nov16.160701.16000@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>In article <BxsnnI.A1I@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>>>In article <1992Nov14.200904.1705@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>>In article <1992Nov10.015508.24588@news.ysu.edu> ad626@yfn.ysu.edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>Although the comment I posted was not my own, I'll try to respond. 
>>>>>I think Bo Gritz identified the owners of the Fed  as Jewish because 
>>>>>many of them (perhaps a majority from material I have seen) ARE Jewish.
>>>>
>>>>1. First, that's simply not true.  The major international banks are
>>>>   Japanese and American WASP banks that exclude Jews.
>>>>
>>>Now, perhaps you would like to tell us why you wish us to believe that 
>>>major international banks exclude Jews.  Are you perhaps trying to stir
>>>up a little antisemitism yourself?  Are Jews not allowed in the doors?
>>>Is our money not accepted for deposit?  Are there no Jew on the boards?
>>>
>>>When you wish to make a point, you simply create more antisemitism by
>>>using un truths to make the point.
>>
>>Eight of the ten largest international banks in the world are Japanese.
>>There are no Jews on any of their boards.  Jews are underrepresented
>>on the boards of the major banks based in New York City, which, to my
>>knowledge, have never had a Jewish CEO.
>>
>>To say Jews control international banking is ludicrous.  If it were
>>true, than Israel wouldn't need loan guarantees, they'd just go to
>>the Jewish international bankers with their perfect no-default record,
>>no?
> 
>First of all, no one but you said anything about Jews controlling
>international banking.  The only banks mentioned were the Fed and as
>far as I know, none of the Fed banks are owned by Japanese.
> 
>Secondly, your statement about loan guarantees is absurd.  Banks don't
>loan money because they like people.  they loan money to good risks and
>they all know the reason for Israels no default record is because they
>are always covered by the American taxpayer.
> 
>js

	The fact that Israel has a no default record is because they have
been able to pay back their loans.  The loan guarantees are provided to 
insure if Israel is unable to pay back the loan, then the US would... a
situation that (to the best of my knowledge) has not occured.)

	In Other words... the US money has not been 'given' to Israel EVER
due to Israel's inability to pay back the loans.  The guarantee is used so
the interest rates won't be so high.  No US money has been spent in this
transaction... only promises...

	Edward Wolpert

	wolpert@lead.chem.utk.edu


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