From: drascic@ie.utoronto.ca (SpIke)
Subject: Re: Breasts (hers : -)
Organization: University of Toronto, Department of Industrial Engineering
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 06:03:25 GMT

kbiesel@unislc.uucp (Karen Biesel) writes:

>ta66863@kaarne.cs.tut.fi (Ahlqvist Tero Kalevi) writes:

>>I'm another male with the same opinion. How many such opinions we need
>>to make it clear, that it's part of the "little difference" that makes
>>the breasts so stimulating. Not the fact they're usually and most of
>>the time covered.

Tero, the statement "breasts are stimulating" isn't true.

Let's count, shall we?  If we assume the following people are not
fixated on female breasts:

- all het women			approx 46% world population
- 50% (a guess) of lesbians	approx 2.5% world population
- all gay men			approx 5% world population
- 50% (a guess) of het men	approx 22.5% world population

then we have something like 76% of the planet NOT feeling the same way
you do.  Perhaps what you meant to say was "it's part of the 'little
differences' that make breasts so stimulating TO ME."

You can avoid this whole misunderstanding by using "I" language.
Instead of saying "SEX is AWFUL", you say "I find SEX to be AWFUL for
me".  That way we know that you are speaking only for yourself, and not
intending to tell other people what THEY think.

>I associate chest hair, muscles, etc with masculinity.  It's one of
>those "little differences" that makes the <male> breasts so stimualting

>I love to watch men wiggle those chest muscles, and watch them change 
>shape as men move.

Hey, you too? :-)

>You Got IT ?????????
>OHH OHH OOHHHH

Isn't this difference between males and females fairly well documented?
I'm certain that I've read somewhere about how very important visual
stimulation is for male sexual response, far more so than for females.
A gross generalisation, of course, but I think there is a core of truth
in it.

I remember back in grade school being quite horrified at the terrible
rudeness of my het (heterosexual) male classmates, who would behave
quite dreadfully (in my eyes), being horribly fixated on female breasts.
As a young gay person, not fully aware of my orientation, I had no idea
what made them behave like this.  Breasts were no more interesting than
a liver or spleen to me.

Eventually, I grew up, came out, and discovered pecs (pectorals).  I was
rather horrified to discover that I could be just as "immaturely"
fixated on secondary sexual characteristics.  Especially muscular furry
ones.  ;-)

The fascination has little to do with what is hidden, although that has
an alure all its own.  Male humans, it seems, constantly want to see new
NEW sexual things.  While familiar figures may still be interesting,
they can lose their strong appeal.  Observe any male, gay or het,
at a beach, and you'll see his eyes roving over MOTAS (Members Of The
Appropriate Sex).  This sort of behaviour, in my experience, is much
less common amoung women.

Charges of immaturity are incorrect, I think; the desire to look / ogle
seems to be pretty inherent.  How males choose to EXPRESS this desire,
however, is very much a function of maturity.  I hope that those het
grade school boys outgrew their penchant for hollering "Oooo Mama!" at
all the large brested women they saw.

I have never observed ANY of my female friends act in a similar fixated
way.

>And, men are allowed to strut their stuff whenever they want.  I don't
>give a shit what you think of women's breasts.  If men can flaunt it, so
>can women.  It an equality issue.  I would be perfectly content to
>keep my shirt on, if men had to also.

I agree with your first sentiment, but not the second.  I am not content
to put up with the restrictions we already have, even if they were
equally applied to all people, which they obviously aren't.  The
fascistic majority should bloody well stop worrying about other people
having more fun than they are, and start worrying more about helping
themselves and others to enjoy life more.

	SpIke.
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From: cms@home.demon.co.uk (Cliff Stanford)