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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 09:39:14 EST
From:         TQX@CORNELLC.BITNET
Subject:      Assisted suicide

   In a little village not far from where I live, a despondent teenager
and one of his friends who was a little older were talking. Apparently
the older boy tired of his friends negativity and handed him a rifle
and told him that he might as well end it all and walked away. The
younger boy then did exactly that. The older youth is now serving
a prison sentence for assisting a suicide in spite of the fact that
he said he only joking. A subsequent appeal was turned down and the
sentence was allowed to stand. There are laws, at least in New York
State, against facilitating a suicide.
                                           Claude
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Date:         Sat, 26 Dec 1992 17:08:38 EST
From:         JEK@NIHCU.BITNET
Subject:      First Sunday after Christmas (27 Dec 1992)

FIRST SUNDAY AFTER CHRISTMAS DAY (27 DEC 1992)

READING: Isaiah 61:10--62:3
 ("My soul shall be joyful in my God, for He has clothed me with the
garments of salvation.")

PSALM 147
 (Praise the LORD, Who gives His people peace and prosperity.)

EPISTLE: Galatians 3:23-25; 4:4-7
 ("When the fullness of time was come, God sent forth His Son")

THE HOLY GOSPEL: John 1:1-18
 ("The Word was God...The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.")

PRAYER (traditional language)
   Almighty God, who hast poured upon us the new light of thine
   incarnate Word: Grant that the same light, enkindled in our
   hearts, may shine forth in our lives; through the same Jesus
   Christ our Lord, who liveth and reigneth with thee, in the
   unity of the Holy Spirit, one God, now and for ever.

PRAYER (contemporary language)
   Almighty God, you have poured upon us the new light of thine
   incarnate Word: Grant that this light, enkindled in our hearts,
   may shine forth in our lives; through Jesus Christ our Lord,
   who lives and reigns with you, in the unity of the Holy Spirit,
   one God, now and for ever.
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:22:52 EST
From:         "Michael A. Kline" <MKLINE@VDH.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Responsibility and Final Actions
              22 Dec 1992 08:50:00 +1000 from <DIEFENBAK@TOPAZ.UCQ.EDU.AU>

On the contrary, Ken, I think it was just great. Kevorkian would probably
want to tell your grandpa he'd be better off dead, and you have just stated
the man fulfills a great purpose even with a body that will someday be
shed for a glorified one.

It's not the "shell", but what's in the shell that counts. My personal
story is Margie next door. Cancer had shut everything down, her bowels
were gone, kidneys shutting down, the end was near. Yet, 2 days before
she went into the hospital for the last time, she was trying clothes on
me that Paul and Tim had grown out of. Linda took her to the hospital
for the last time.

As she was there, she slipped in and out of coma. They had to put a cateder
into her kidney because her bladder was gone. The last time she came out of
the coma, she whispered to Paul, her husband, "I'm okay."

She spent the next day or so, in a coma, gasping for breath, but so far gone
there was no pain. Paul was by her side nearly the whole time, going home
just long enough to wash, change, and go back to the hospital.

What was the good? From the little the nurses did get to know Margie and
Paul's dedication, several of the nurses said that Paul's dedication left
tears in their eyes, and I believe several of them attended Margie's
funeral. Paul's life touched them. I don't know if any of them accepted
Christ as a result of this, but even so.

Kevorkian would say she should be allowed to die. She did, and her life,
though filled with pain was a glorious testimony for Jesus Christ.

Maks.
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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 16:38:44 -0600
From:         jim coen <coen@ACC.WUACC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Operation Rescue, Meet ACT UP...

I hope some sanity will return to these discussions. When a person is trying
to argue with a fool, the fool is arguing with one too.
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 09:05:54 CST
From:         Janie Long <JLONG@UA1VM.BITNET>
Subject:      Set No Mail for the Holidays

Hi out there.  I am trying to set my E-Mail for nomail for the Holidays
and I am not receiving any response.  For some reasons it is not doing it.
I had no problem during the Thanksgiving Holiday to set nomail.  Anyone who
can help I would greatly appreciate it .

Thanks Janie
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 07:46:20 CST
From:         Russ Neumeier <russn@SSEC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Prayer Request - please read (fwd)

Everyone,

I just pulled this off of rec.music.christian and thought that I'd post it
here.....

Russ Neumeier
SSEC, UW-Madison
___________________________________________________

Forwarded message:
> From
 uwvax!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!darwin.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!uunet!pipex!doc.ic.ac.
 uk!uknet!edcastle!spider!raft.spider.co.uk!alisonjw Wed Dec 23 07:41:56 1992
> Article: 12766 of rec.music.christian
> Path:
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 uk!uknet!edcastle!spider!raft.spider.co.uk!alisonjw
> From: alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld)
> Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
> Subject: Prayer Request - please read
> Message-ID: <1992Dec23.131640.16328@spider.co.uk>
> Date: 23 Dec 92 13:16:40 GMT
> Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.
> Lines: 29
>
> I am posting this to r.m.c, despite its being off-topic, as there may
> not be time for it to be posted on s.r.c while it is still relevant.
>
>
> The following appeared in todays (23rd Dec's) "Scotsman" newspaper.
> I'm typing it in verbatim (all typo's mine)
>
> "Appeal to Spare Preachers
>
> President Fidel Ramos appealed yesterday to King Fahd of Saudi Arabia
> to spare two Filipinos reported to be facing execution on Christmas
> day for preaching Christianity in the Islamic country.
>
> Oswaldo Magdangal and Renato Posedio have been in prison in Saudi
> Arabia for two months after allegedly trying to build a Christian
> church.
>
> Saudi Arabia does not permit the open practive of religions other than
> Islam and proselytising is also forbidden"
>
>
> Can I suggest that we all pray that the King will have mercy and
> commute or repeal the sentences.  Maybe we should also pray for the
> Christians who will be commemorating Christ's birth in secret in Saudi
> and other countries, and thank God for our own freedom to worship.
>
> In Him
>
> Alison
>
>
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 12:00:50 +0000
From:         spk@ABERYSTWYTH.AC.UK
Subject:      Setting Nomail

I'm setting nomail today, and I am not at all sure when I will be
back on CHRISTIA.

Nadolig llawen a blwyddyn newydd da i bawb (as they say in these
parts) (That is to say happy Christmas and a great new year to all).

My thanks go to James Kiefer for his clear and logical essays that
he has posted over the years. Thanks also to Ian Williams - it's
great to hear from you even if we don't always see eye to eye. To
Mark Drake for being a friend, and to everyone else with whom I have
corresponded over the past three years.

Finally, Thanks to Madge and Steve for their stirling work and
gentle but firm control of this list. Keep up the good work.

Maybe I'll be back soon, but my new job starts in January so it
depends on how long it takes me to get e-mail going.

All the best,
  Stephen.
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 08:59:00 -0500
From:         Lora Harris <LHARRIS@UPEI.CA>
Subject:      Merry Christmas to all!

Dear CHRISTIAists,

        A Merry Christmas to you all!  I am indeed back on-line, but not able
to subscribe directly for lack of computer time.  I am however watching you
from reading the log files!  Many thanks to whoever it was posted the C.S.
Lewis poem "A Footnote to All Prayers" - it is one of my favorites and I didn't
have a copy of my own.

        This Christmas is shaping up to be truly ironic, and I am enjoying
God's sense of humor immensely.  I have a husband who is an agnostic, but yet
will defend to the death not only Christianity, but the particular brand of
Anglo-Catholicism which he used to belong to.  So I have the fun of watching
his annoyance at the world for putting up Christmas decorations before the
proper liturgical season!

        This Christmas we will be at my (athiest) parents for Christmas, as we
alternate.  This will be the first Christmas where we haven't been home to his
parents at some point during the Christmas season, and as his father is a
devout Anglican priest, much will be missed at my parents home by comparison.
K. also is regretting the lack of the faith - so much so that he has asked me
to bring along our nativity scene for our room!

        To make life even more fun, my agnostic husband has decided to convince
my athiest father to come to midnight Mass this Christmas.  And the true irony
is that I think Dad just might come if K. asks him!

        So a merry Christ-mass to you all, and may you all have as interesting
a celebration as mine is shaping up to be.

                                                -Lora Harris.



PS - A note on some of the previous discussions:  The Anglican Catholic Church
is indeed a seperate organization from the Anglican communion which includes
the Church of England, the Episcopalian Church of the USA, and the Anglican
church of Canada.  I also wish to point out that while the ACC is
Anglo-Catholic, Anglo-Catholics withinin the Anglican communion have no
connection  with the ACC.

PSS - Someone posted a list of Advent reading which went through the prophecies
of the Messiah and their fulfillment in Christ.  The readings for Morning and
Evening Prayer in the Book of Common Prayer do the same thing for the season of
Advent, so if someone loses that particular list, they can look at a prayer
book in most libraries, and if not there, many churches.
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 09:44:27 EST
From:         "SHELBY A. CROSS" <LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      RE:CHRISTMAS SHARING

                            CHRISTMAS SHARING

We celebrate Christmas by giving to those less fortunate than ourselves.  We
attend special services and read the Christmas story in Luke on Christmas Eve.
We try to do mostly eveything that we do at Christmas all during the year, so
that the people we help, do not have to feel left out, and just expect some-
thing at Thanksgiving and Christmas.  My children one year knew of a family
in need and forfeited their gifts by choice and a unanimous vote to give to
this other family instead of receiving gifts for themselves.  As long as we
give all year long and have God's love to share along with what we do, I think
this is what Christmas was intended to be, just to spread God's love.

I have really enjoyed the Christmas posts.  Some of the ideas I have read, I
will introduce into our celebration of Christmas.  I have really been touched
by these posts and have enjoyed reading all of them.  Only what we do for
Christ will last.

May you all have a joyous and blessed Christmas, and a blessed and prosperous
New Year.  From the Cross family to all of you special people on Christia
and other networks in the body of Christ -- MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!

Shelby--

P.S.  Don't eat too much - save some for me (Smile)!!!!!!
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 12:45:10 -0700
From:         "Gordon C. Zaft" <zaft@CARITAS.COTDAZR.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Responsibility

On Dec 22,  9:58am, Dan Harling wrote:
} Subject: Re: Responsibility and final action
}
} Our approach to abortion clinics should be the same: work to eliminate
} the demand for their services.  Organizations such as Birthright try to
} arrange room and board for expectant mothers, so they can keep their
} children and get back to supporting themselves as quickly as possible.
} By providing a working alternative, keeping the child rather than
} having an abortion becomes a viable alternative that many women take,
} thus reducing the demand for abortions.  This system works as well as
} it does because there is a personal relationship between the people who
} work in the program and the beneficiaries.
}
}-- End of excerpt from Dan Harling

While I would agree that we must work to eliminate the demand for
abortion, and that organizations such as Birthright are worthwhile
and worthy of our support, I nevertheless feel that this is not
enough.

        To draw an analogy that I'm sure some will find distasteful --
say there is a concentration camp outside town where homeless
people are being held and killed.  Would you claim that all we should
do is work to eliminate the causes of homelessness?  I think this is
similar.  While we must work to eliminate the root causes, we cannot
ignore the slaughter that is taking place.

GZ

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From: FACN34B@SAUPM00.BITNET (zane of dhahran)
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Subject: Kevorkian strikes again
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:29:54 GMT
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Cocens,

re. your message of 21 Dec. '92 - give me a break.  If I bought a gun and
told the clerk I wanted to kill myself with it and could he show me exactly
where in my mouth I should set the muzzle... do you really think he or she
would have no culpability in "my suicide?"  - give me a break.

                                                        zane.
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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:46:37 -0700
From:         "Gordon C. Zaft" <zaft@CARITAS.COTDAZR.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Holy Innocents

On Dec 28,  1:24pm, "Scott D. Weberg" wrote:
} Subject: Re: Holy Innocents
} Fr. John Woolley,
}
} Thanks for sharing the sonnet.  This "Holy Innocents" is a Catholic
} thing, right?  Obviously, I'm not a Catholic, so I hadn't heard of
} this before, but I really appreciated your sonnet.  Thanks again!
}-- End of excerpt from "Scott D. Weberg"

[This wasn't addressed to me, but I've never let that stop me before...:-)]

Well, it's a 'Catholic thing' I suppose, but it's also an 'Anglican thing'
and an 'Orthodox' thing.  If it's not a 'Protestant thing', I'm not sure
why it isn't.  The Holy Innocents were the first martyrs for Christ,
albeit unknowingly.

GZ

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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:15:10 -0600
From:         Fred Fowler <frefow@FREFOW.AUTO-TROL.COM>
Subject:      Correction about NEA
              92 11:52 am

        The NEA is actually not a charitable organization of any kind.
        It is an agency of the federal government that gives out
        grants to artists.  It was created by an act of Congress,
        under the Johnson administration, if I'm not wrong.

                                        Fred Fowler
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:12:51 -0700
From:         "Gordon C. Zaft" <zaft@CARITAS.COTDAZR.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Gay Civil Rights

On Dec 21,  8:12pm, "Love does not subtract, it multiplies." wrote:
} Subject: Re: Gay Civil Rights
} <        It seems to me that they are demanding we recognize them based on
} <their sexual orientation.  Since I don't know of any other group that
} <is recognized based on this, this sounds like a demand for special rights
} <to me.  Sorry, my teeth aren't yellow.
}
} Legal marriage is explicitly limited to heterosexuals.  In other words, it is
} the heterosexuals who are granted special rights under the present system.

        Not only that, it's limited to heterosexuals above the age of consent
who are not already married and aren't related closer than the third
degree (I believe).  Gosh, such restrictions!
        Legal marriage is defined and regulated for the good of the State.
As I understand it, the principal reasons are to provide a better
upbringing for children (thus making them better citizens) and to
stabilize society.
        If you don't like that, take it up with your legislators.
        Sacramental marriage (for those who believe marriage is a sacrament)
is also limited similarly.  The reasons are more complex and I don't have
time to deal with that right now.
}
} <}                3) Jews also enjoy high income, high educational status, and
} <}           high professional status  in  this country--far higher  than  the
} <}           "average" citizen--so do Asians.  Does this mean it is then ok to
} <}           discriminate against a Jew or an Asian just because he  is  a Jew
} <}           or Asian??
} <        Of course not.  I think the person's point (which I haven't really
} <thougth about) was a sort of an empirical "as a class, they obviously
} <aren't discriminated against since they have a high income, etc."
}
} Would you then argue that Jews aren't discriminated against on the grounds
 that
} they have a high income, etc?

        No, I would not.  I was not defending whoever's opinion that was,
just trying to explain it since you didn't seem to even understand his
point.  Since I understood his point (though as I pointed out above I
haven't thought about it much, nor do I claim to agree or disagree) I
thought I would try to explain it.
}
} Dan
}-- End of excerpt from "Love does not subtract, it multiplies."



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Subject:      The Spirit of Christmas

This was in our church bulletin and I thought I would post it for
reflection.

This Christmas mend a quarrel
Seek out a forgotten friend.
Dismiss suspicion, and replace it with trust.
Give a soft answer.
Encourage youth.
Manifest your loyalty in word and deed.
Keep a promise.
Find the time.
Forego a grudge.
Listen.
Apologize if you are wrong.
Try to understand.
Examine your demands on others.
Think first of someone else.
Be kind, be gentle.
laugh a little.
Laugh a little more.
Express your gratitude.
Go to Church.
Welcome a stranger.
Gladden the heart of a child.


                                                Liz
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From:         "SHELBY A. CROSS" <LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      RE:BABY!--IAN

Dear Ian,

I just wanted you to know that we all are praising the Lord with you for the
good report from the ultrasound.  God is A W E S O M E - all the time and He
is worthy!!!  May you have a blessed and prosperous New Year. I'm looking for-
ward to the birth of your little one (Smile).

Your sister in Christ,

Shelby--Emory University--Atlanta, Georgia
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Date:         Wed, 30 Dec 1992 07:39:11 EST
From:         "SHELBY A. CROSS" <LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      LET'S LOVE AGAIN...

Dear Christia Partners,

I must make  a confession. I have  a fellow co-worker who just  took the class
on how to  send e-mail. Although I  am Christian, she is  a beautifully saved,
Spirit-filled,  Catholic. Because  of how  some  of the  discussions (?)  have
not been very kind or loving, I was hesitant for her to subscribe to Christia.
I told the Lord, that since she is  so gentle and loving, could He help direct
me, because I felt  she would be very offended. I kept  praying and asking the
Lord to  help me.  The other day,  someone received a  post from  the Catholic
list. I  helped her subscribe  yesterday. She shared with  me a couple  of the
posts,  which were  both so  beautiful, loving,  caring, and  encouraging. She
was so happy. I  knew this is what I wanted her to  experience. The same thing
that I had experienced when I first joined Christia.

However, I glanced at  a couple of posts yesterday and  found insults and name
calling. What does  this kind of discussion profit, if  it hurts, insults, and
degrades a person? I  am praying now whether to continue on  this list or find
people in the body of Christ who represent  the Jesus I have grown to love and
know. I Cor.  13:4 (NIV) Love is patient,  love is kind. It does  not envy, it
does not boast, it is not proud. 5) It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it
is not easily angered, it keeps no  record of wrongs. 6) Love does not delight
in evil  but rejoices with  the truth. 7)  It always protects,  always trusts,
always hopes, always preserve.

One thing I do know we as believers in Jesus Christ, we have one Lord. The Lord
said that we would know His disciples by our love that we have for one another.
WHERE IS THE LOVE NOW ON CHRISTIA? Yes  there are many who are loving, but
there are a few who think their views  are so important, no matter how or what
they say -  their point is going to  get across no matter who  they hurt while
trying. I  was so embarrassed at  some of what  I read, I deleted  some things
without reading them. Let's get back  to love, joy, peace, patience, kindness,
goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control;  THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT.
Let your  light shine  people. Whatever  we do, it  must be  done as  unto the
Lord. We are  to speak as oracles of  God. When you do write  your posts think
about who you represent; think about that love; think about the fruit of the
Holy Spirit.  What kind of fruit are you bearing?

Your sister in Christ,

Shelby--
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