From: Arthur_Noguerola@vos.stratus.com
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: CD vs. LP again
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:39:46 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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In article <1993Jan26.191547.5316@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> tom@afthree.as.arizona.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) wrote:  
>kurts@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Kurt Strain) writes: 
> 
>> ...  That's why people spend upwards of $25K for a turntable system, 
> 
>Are there actually people who spend this kind of money for a TURNTABLE ??!! 
>What have they been smoking?? Get with it man, haul those LP's and that 
>turntable to the dump!  I'm sorry, anyone who spends this kind of cash 
>on a total system even, has lost all credibility with me, that's for sure. 
> 
>I got rid of my turntable and all my LP's years ago and no regrets from 
>me.  I can start fresh and build a music collection with superior technology. 
> 
>Are these people actually serious about advocating LP's over CD's ? 
>Do I need to clean the wax out of my ears?  They want the scratches and 
>pops, the needle reaming their records smooth on every playing.  Dragging 
>a rock thru congealed petroleum, yeah, that's the technology for me! 
>They want the compressed dynamic range, a whole 30 minutes or whatever 
>it is of music before you have to flip the thing over?  The wonders of 
>RIAA equalization curves, low tracking weight tonearms skidding across 
>your precious vinyl when some clod bumps your turntable. 
> 
>I can't think of any reason to prefer LP's to CD's, except that some 
>music has not been properly remastered for CD's and is available in a 
>good LP -- or is not available at all on CD.  I think the LP heads are 
>just hoplessly biased by shelf-fulls of LP's they don't want to admit 
>are obsolete.  I have done my time with LP's and CD's both, the choice 
>is clear to me. 
> 
>(Is this LP-advocacy serious -- have I just misinterpreted some kind of 
>net-joke?) 
>-- 
>	Tom Trebisky	ttrebisky@as.arizona.edu 
> 
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YES this LP advocacy is more than serious... 

just  because  you  cant  see  spending money on high end stereo 
equipment doesnt mean its not  worth.  or  else  we  should  all 
consult with you before making any purchase at all.  NOT. 

if  you  are happy with 3rd rate MODERN technology that EVEN the 
CREATORS OF have admitted IN PUBLIC is not "perfect" the  so  be 
it.  it seem obvious to me NOT one person in this group pays any 
attention  to  the  press that so dearly supposedly follow (well 
many do!!).  if the had they would already know  that  SONY  and 
PHILIPS have admitted that current CD technology is not correct. 
that   they   themselves   have  supposedly  fixed  it  via  SBM 
technology.  That keith o.  johnson  has  developed  yet  better 
technology   than   that.   that   the   chesky   brothers  have 
improved....ad infinitum.  well you should have the idea by now. 
digital is not perfect.  it may be one  day  but  it  aint  now. 
some  people  actually get headaches and fatigued from listening 
to digital  sources.  that  CD  manufacturers  are  ripping  the 
public  off  and  laughing all the way the bank.  it sis obvious 
from some writers to rec.audio that they are unhappy  with  some 
aspect  of  CDs.  so  what  do we have..  as usual a majority of 
folks like CDs that does not make them perfect (nor does it make 
LP bad or good).  BUT  CD  technology  as  EVERY  engineer  here 
(stand up and be counted) will bet his left nut when saying what 
he/she  can  prove  about digital.  but the fact remains that it 
aint perfect.  now if you engineers know MORE than  SONY/PHILIPS 
you  shoudl  be  working  for  them not pontificating here.  you 
should be advancing the state of teh art so that stupid backward 
LP spinners like could join the CD hoards  and  stop  destroying 
our  precious vinyl.  but i dont think so.  you would all rather 
blabber on about nothing cogent to solving the problems  because 
you dont believe in them. well "the check isin the mail".  


can  ONE  of  you out there say that CDs have NOT improved since 
1978???  no i dont think so.  so why be so quick to  say  it  is 
now just cause you cant here the diff???  well the simple answer 
is  becuase  YOU are happy.  well accept the fact that not every 
one is...even the developers. 

if you are happy with CDs great so be it. 
if you are happy with LPs great so be it. 

does any one of you love the MUSIC????????????? 
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