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From: 84399@novell1.rz.fht-mannheim.de (Mehmetkahramanninformatik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re:Resit Guner Kaymis
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:25:40 GMT
Organization: Fachhochschule fuer Technik Mannheim

Sayin Kaymis,
News'ta yaptiginiz test ilgimizi cekti.
Turkiye'de internet'e bagli oldugunu bilmiyorduk.
Bunun uzerine size bir bir E-Mail yolladik ama size ulasmadi.
Simdi size soruyorum Internet'e baglimisiniz yoksa bu bir sakamidi.
Cunku E-mail adresinizde .EDU. yaziyor bu benim bildigime gore sadece 
ogrencilere verilen kod(education).
Bizi turkiyenin internet konusunda lutfen aydinlatin.

Mehmet Kahraman

-W.Germany-
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: test
Date: 3 Oct 1992 02:51:08 -0500
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From: iarit@slate.mines.colorado.edu (ARIT ISMAIL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Helgge Bi....
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:11:15 GMT
Organization: Reply to S.O.B's garbage Ltd.

We have on our hands a bitch, a very funny bitch.
                       ismail ARIT of Turkiye about Helgge
From: hminassi@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (GOTCHA!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Armenian Channel On IRC!!
Date: 27 Sep 92 08:22:52 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego


    Hey guys! Guess what, I have a surprise for you!
yep, you guessed it, an Armenian channel has been started
on IRC.  IRC is a chat network which includes interesting
channels such as #francais and #Asians.  Well now, the
long awaited #Hayastan channel has arrived! It has its own
robot and everything!  I called it DroBot and I'm working
a little more on it so that it can respond to certain
words...so stop reading this and come on down!!

    -H  :)))

    "Because if you can't make fun of other people,
     who can you make fun of? :)))" 

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From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Greek Efforts to Decimate ...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:35:12 GMT

sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:

>In article <BvEp01.n5A@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:

>>  Macedonians are majority in northern Greece.  It is stupid to recognize
>>  the majority as minority.  Because some people, under the continuous
>>  propaganda of a comunist regime, are now calling themselvs Macedonians,
>>  we are not going to change our name.  Macedonians have been historically

>You sound like your fascist grandfathers.

 You are disgusting.

>Serdar Argic

 Panos Tamamidis

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: "sen-berne" remembers Nazis.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 21:34:00 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1992Sep30.191014.15131@morrow.stanford.edu> berne@nova3.stanford.edu (Jean-Francois Berne) writes:

>The answer is: because this nation is not a member and has no
>right to interfere with laws that do not apply to it.

Who cares what "Sen-Bernes" mumble? Remember the Nazis?

 Source: "Mitteilungsblatt, Berlin, December 1939, Nr. 2 and 5-6"

 Yet another historical fact: a fact that for years has been deliberately 
 forgotten, concealed, and wiped from memory - the fact of Armenian-Nazi 
 collaboration.

 A magazine called Mitteilungsblatt der Deutsch-Armenischen Gesselschaft
 is the clearest and most definite proof of this collaboration. The 
 magazine was first published in Berlin in 1938 during Nazi rule of Germany
 and continued publication until the end of 1944. Even the name of the
 magazine, which implies a declaration of Armenian-Nazi cooperation,
 is attention-getting.

 This magazine, every issue of which proves the collaboration, is historically
 important as documentary evidence. It is a heap of writing that should be
 an admonition to world opinion and to all mankind. Every issue embroiders
 the themes of enmity towards Turkey and towards Turks.

 In Nazi Germany, Armenians were considered to be an Aryan race and certain
 political, economic, and social rights were thus granted to them. They 
 occupied positions in public service and were partners in Nazi practices.
 The whole world of course knows what awaited those who were not considered 
 "Aryan" and what befell them.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: senel@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Hakan)
Subject: Helgge tries to annoy us....
Originator: senel@irlsp
Organization: Insulting, Ridiculing, Forwarding Inc.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:53:22 GMT


Helgge writes something to annoy us: he he he he

>>accident.  But  a retired  Turkish  naval  officer, Nihat  Topuz,
>>voiced the suspicions  of many compatriots when  he suggested the
>>Muavenet  may  have been  targeted  by  an anti-Turkish  US  crew
>
>Hahahahaha what a funny person this officer :)))
>He forgot the Kurds, the Assyrians, the African National Congress and of 
>course the Irish Republican Army in his suspicions. :))
>
>     -Helgge

Oh my dear Helgge,

what a nice attempt to annoy us. he he he he. But you couldn't annoy us
sweet heart. Maybe next time, who knows, one day, you will understand 
the details of teasing process but we won't see. he he he he he

You seek a quarrel with us but your articles don't go beyond being ridiculous.
I advice you to follow talk.bizarre channel. Maybe you can learn something
from them. Or try to find a boy friend.

How is IRC #hayastan adventure going on? The last time I logged in there,
I saw you waiting for people. It didn't draw attention. Probably it
is the result of your childish-teasing attempts.

Take it easy, next time we may be annoyed. he he he he.

Your secret lover Hakan
-- 
___
God made the Idiot for practice, and then He saw that Asbest Bedrossian 
was born. He said "well, this seems pretty coooool."  -Hakan Senel 1992 
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From: aziz@seas.gwu.edu (Murat Azizoglu)
Subject: Musa Anter
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:30:55 GMT



Musa Anter was a 74 year old Kurd who had spent his life trying to
correct the injustice perpetrated on the Kurdish people, through his
writings. His life, as written by himself in a recent autobography, was
a bitter one, punctuated by prison visits, police interrogations, etc. In
all this bitterness, he was able to find humour and convey it to his readers.
As I recall his autobiography began something like this (This is not an
actual quote, I am writing in from memory):

"Recaizade Ekrem Talu, the well-known Turkish writer/intellectual, used to
boast: "I was born in the most beautiful city of Turkey, Istanbul, in the
most elite district of Istanbul, Bostanci, and in the most beautiful house
in Bostanci, Recaizade Yalisi." In a similar style, Musa Anter was born in
the most underdeveloped city of Turkey, Mardin, in the poorest county of 
Mardin, Nusaybin, and in the most inaccessible village of Nusaybin."

He wrote about his life in such a way that the reader couldn't decide whether
he/she should laugh or cry. Most of the time I was doing both.

Recently, he was writing in the weekly Yeni Ulke in a similar vein. In
his articles, he would advocate the Turk-Kurd brotherhood while
criticizing the state, its military, and its politicians very bluntly. He
was also one of the founders of the Mesopotamia Cultural Center, a center in
Istanbul devoted to the study of Kurdish language and culture.

Musa Anter was killed on September 21st in Diyarbakir by "unidentified 
murderers". While this is nothing new in terms of journalists being silenced
through guns, it is by far the most outrageous of the recent sequence of
murders.

I pay my respect to his memory. While I have very little reason for this, I 
hope that the invisible hands behind his killing are caught, and their motives
are made public.

Murat Azizoglu
From: hra2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Hibatur Rahman Ahmad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: THE NEWS YOU WANT TO HEAR...
Date: 26 Sep 92 14:34:52 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


Article #34014 (34018 is last):
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (ANWAR IQBAL)
Newsgroups: clari.news.gov.international,clari.news.politics.people,clari.news.f
ighting
Subject: Afghan president visits Pakistan
Date: Fri Sep 25 20:21:22 1992

        ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (UPI) -- Afghan President Burhanuddin Rabbani
arrived Friday in Pakistan amid speculation that he may meet Bosnian
President Alija Izetbegovic, who is expected to arrive Saturday.
        The visit follows media reports from Bosnia that Afghan Mujahideen
fighters were helping Bosnian Muslims in their fight against the Serbs.
        Officials in Islamabad said Rabbani, who landed at the northern city
of Peshawar, will begin his official appointments Saturday when he comes
to Islamabad.
        It is Rabbani's first presidential visit to Pakistan, which helped
the Afghan resistance in toppling the Soviet-installed regime in Kabul.
        Rabbani and other Mujahideen leaders fought their 14-year war against
the communists from Peshawar before returning to Kabul in April this
year after the collapse of the communist government.
        Diplomatic sources said Rabbani may meet Izetbegovic, who arrives
Saturday evening but has no meetings scheduled with Pakistani leaders
until Sunday. Both the leaders were to be in Islamabad until Sunday
evening.
        Rabbani will go to Iran from Pakistan. Iran has proposed forming an
Islamic force to help the Bosnian Muslims when the Bosnian foreign
minister visited Iran, Pakistan and Turkey, two months ago.
        Izetbegovic told Pakistani television in New York Friday he was
``grateful to Pakistan and other Muslim countries for the solidarity you
showed with us.''
        Pakistan was one of the first countries to expel Belgrade's
ambassador after Serb rebels attacked Bosnia.


--
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Bulgarian Turks, etc--News
Date: 3 Oct 1992 04:37:04 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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                        RFE/RL Daily Report

                                     No 190, 2 October 1992

                   SUCCESSOR STATES OF THE USSR

CONTINUED STRIFE IN TAJIKISTAN. Fighting continued in southern
Tajikistan on 1 October, ITAR-TASS reported, and the Russian
division stationed there was taking additional measures to protect
its equipment, some of which supporters of deposed President
Rakhmon Nabiev have already stolen or otherwise acquired. Troops of
the Tajik Ministry of Internal Affairs and prison administrators
issued an ultimatum to the government and party leaders that they
will release the inmates of correctional institutions if attacks on
them are not stopped; armed groups have been raiding prisons in
order to obtain arms from the guards. Meanwhile, Russian border
guards reported more battles with persons seeking to cross the
Tajik-Afghan border illegally.  (Bess Brown, RFE/RL Inc.)

ABKHAZ FORCES LAUNCH NEW OFFENSIVE, TAKE STRATEGIC TOWN.  A
spokeswoman for the Abkhaz Supreme Soviet told an RL/RFE
correspondent in Moscow on 1 October that the withdrawal from
Abkhazia of volunteers from the North Caucasus had been suspended
because Georgian troops were attempting to advance on Gudauta,
where the Abkhaz leadership is currently based.  Abkhaz and North
Caucasian troops subsequently launched an attack on the coastal
town of Kolkhida, ten kilometers south of Gagra, using tanks and
rocket launchers, and took the town, inflicting heavy casualties on
Georgian troops; they then advanced towards Gagra. The Georgian
State Council convened an emergency session to discuss the
situation. Whether State Council Chairman Eduard Shevardnadze
attended the session is unclear; all scheduled sessions had been
cancelled on 29 September because Shevardnadze was sick, according
to ITAR-TASS.  (Liz Fuller, RFE/RL Inc.)

PRESSURE INCREASING ON BULGARIAN GOVERNMENT.  Osman Oktay,
Secretary of the Movement for Rights and Freedoms (MRF, RFE/RL
Inc.), said in an interview with RFE/RL on 1 October that his party
is considering lodging a vote of no confidence against the UDF
minority government next week.  According to Oktay, the UDF should
initiate a "joint analysis" of the present political situation with
the MRF or risk standing alone in parliament. He also warned that
the MRF has lost confidence in Prime Minister Filip Dimitrov.
Meanwhile, President Zhelyu Zhelev told RFE/RL that the UDF cabinet
under Dimitrov has gradually been isolating itself in Bulgarian
politics.  (Kjell Engelbrekt, RFE/RL Inc.)
From: branis@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Spiros Branis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Turkey criticises allies on Bosnia [FINANCIAL TIMES 29/9/92]
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:25:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: sci.1992Sep29.152540.22603
Reply-To: branis@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Spiros Branis)
Organization: City College of New York - Science Computing Facility

Turkey criticises allies on Bosnia
by R. Mauthner in NY

Turkey yesterday attacked the major powers and the
international community as a whole for their failure
to use military force to counter "the Serbian aggression"
in Bosnia.
Mr. H. Cetin, the Turkish Foreign Minister, told a news
conference during a meeting of the UN General Assemply
that his goverment was becoming "increasiningly discouraged"
by the ineffectiveness of the UN and EC efforts to stop the
slaughter and the persecution of Bosnian Moslems.
It is a clear reference to the extreme reluctance of the US and
the other members of the Security Council to contemplate 
the use of military force in Bosnia, Mr. Cetin said this was 
a serious mistake which merely served to encourage the
aggressors.
Turkey advocated "limited military intervention" under UN
control, essentially involving limited air strikes against the
Serb militias, which where refusing to implement the
agreements reached at the recent London Conference on Ygo.
It was also in favor of the imposition of an air-exclusion zone 
over Bosnia.
Turkey was prepared to contribute to international action in the
Bosnian conflict in any way considered appropriate by the
Security Council, Mr. Cetin said.
But he reiterated his goverment's position that, though hundreds
of thousands of Bosnians Moslems had taken refuge in his country,
Turkey would not act alone.
In the meantime, Turkey would continue to urge the international
community to stop the bloodshed in Bosniua "by whatever means it
takes".
Mr. Cetin's outburst coincided with an interview with General Colin
Powell, published in the New York Times, in which the chairman
of the US joint chiefs of staff strongly opposed even the most limited
form of military intervention in Bosnia.
Military force should be used only if there was a clear understanding
of a political objective it was intented to achieve and if a decisive
victory by force of arms could be attained, General Powell said.

======
Spiros
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:22:52 EDT
From:              <FL1@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject:    AP News...


NEWS 10/6/92              PAGE  1 OF  4

   Iraqi, Turkish Kurds Engage
     In Fierce Battles Near Border
                 ---
    ANKARA, Turkey - Heavy battles
involving thousands were reported
Monday night between Iraqi and Turkish
Kurd rebels.
    ''The battle is very big,'' said
Serchil Kazzaz, an Iraqi Kurdish
representative in Ankara, but he could
give no casualty figures.
    Turkish Kurds have fled to bases in
Iraq after staging attacks in their
homeland.

NEWS 10/6/92              PAGE  2 OF  4

    Tension has grown recently between
the two groups over retaliatory raids
by Turkish jets that caused casualties
among the Iraqi Kurds.
    Kamal Fouad, a senior Iraqi Kurdish
official, said his forces would move
against the Turkish Kurds if they
didn't quit their bases south of the
Turkish border by midnight Monday.
    Turkey also has been pressuring
Iraq's Kurds, who have achieved a
measure of autonomy in the north, to
oppose the Turkish Kurds.


NEWS 10/6/92              PAGE  3 OF  4

    Kazzaz said about 6,000 villagers
and Kurdish guerrillas were fighting
2,500 to 3,000 Turkish Kurdish rebels
at Baradust (Khakurk) area where Iraq,
Iran and Turkey meet.
    He gave the deadline set by the
Iraqi Kurds as 7 p.m. local time and
said, ''The other side started the
battle by firing on us an hour to the
deadline.''
    There was no immediate explanation
for the discrepancy in deadline times.



NEWS 10/6/92              PAGE  4 OF  4

    Safeen Dizayi, another Iraqi
Kurdish spokesman in Ankara, said
clashes were also going on at Haftanin,
near the Turkish border, and at Bazia,
farther west and north of Barzan. He
said about 10,000 villagers and Iraqi
Kurdish guerrillas were involved.
    Turkish Kurds of the outlawed
Kurdistan Workers' Party have been
fighting since 1984 for self-rule in
southeastern Turkey.
    Iraqi Kurds depend on Turkey for
supplies and as a transit route for
international help.
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From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: haberler / news
Date: 2 Oct 1992 19:33:18 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Fri Oct 02, 1992  5:32 am  EST
Bugunku BBC Haberleri
Kadir AYDIN
=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
              US WARSHIP HITS
              TURKISH DESTROYER

 The USS Saratoga has accidentally hit a
 Turkish destroyer with a missile
 during a Nato exercise in the Aegean.

 At least five Turkish sailors were
 killed, including the captain. Fifteen
 others were hurt.

 Two missiles were launched by accident
 and at least one hit the Muevenet,
 striking its bridge and causing a fire
 which has been put out.

 The two ships were about three miles
 apart when the missiles were fired
 during a night exercise. A number of
 nearby ships helped in the rescue.
-------------------------------------------
 The US and Turkey have launched a joint
 investigation into last night's Nato
 incident in which a US Navy warship
 fired missiles at a Turkish destroyer.

 A statement issued by the Turkish Chief
 of General Staff said the USS Saratoga
 opened fire accidentally and that the
 incident, in which five Turkish sailors
 died, was a mistake.

 The fact that Turkey issued a statement
 so promptly suggests that Ankara is
 anxious to avoid damaging the currently
 warn relations with the United States,
 a BBC correspondent has said.
-------------------------------------------------
 The US and Turkish vessels involved in
 today's accident were taking part in
 "Display Determination 92", an annual
 Nato exercise.

 It usually involves vessels from the
 US, Turkey, Greece and Italy.

 The USS Saratoga is a conventionally
 powered aircraft carrier commissioned
 in 1956 to launch jet aircraft; it is
 believed to have fired Sea Sparrows,
 anti-aircraft missiles.

 The Muevenet, built in 1944, originally
 served in the US Navy, but was
 transferred to Turkey in 1971.
------------------------------------------------
 TURKEY The authorities now say that 30
 people died in the attack by Kurdish
 separatists on the south-eastern
 village of Cevizdali last night.
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.europe,soc.rights.human
Subject: Turks behaved like Christians, esp like the worst "Christians"
Date: 3 Oct 92 23:27:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 



Quoting the Advanced Racist Garbage Insult Createor (A.R.G.I.C.)
>>"...human beings hate each other on account of religious differences.
This flaw is older than Islam and Christianity. But there has never been
any examples of this adjuration in Turkey because Turks never oppress
anybody on account of his religion. If enmity on the basis of religion
had been such a case of<<

 The above would be very funny if it did not originate from a government
that today kills hundreds of Kurds every month, and has in the past
commited even more horrible atrocities against Armenians and others. As
for the wonders of the Ottoman Empire, one reads:

THE JEWS OF RHODES, by Marc D. Angel, Sepher-Hermon Press, New York 1978
Page 28: (
<<They were subject to various legal disabilities. For example the
evidence of a dhimmi was not accepted against the evidence of a Moslem.
A Moslem could not be put to death for murdering a dhimmi. Dhimmis were
not allowed to ride horseback or to carry weapons. Even their right to
travel was periodically restricted.
...
Professor S.D.Goitein has noted: "The Yellow badge for Jews was known in
Muslim countries many centuries before it was introduced into Christian
Europe". A 17th-century observer remarked:

  The jews in Turkey dress like the Turks except that they may not
  wear green, nor a white turban, nor a red jacket. They are usually
  dressed in violet, but they are obliged to wear a violet bonnet made
  in the shape of and the same height as a hat and those who have
  the means to own a turban wear it round the base of their bonnet.
  They must also wear socks and violet slippers.

In general, these official discriminatory policies were designed to
isolate and humiliate non-Moslems, to remind them constantly that their
lives are dependent on the mercy of the moslem rulers.>>

  Ofcource Shaw mentions none of the above.....

Michael
From: hminassi@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (GOTCHA!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: THE WORLD BLAMED FOR US FRIENDLY FIRE TRAGEDY
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:22:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

From: TEX5HAD@CMS1.LEEDS.AC.UK (Haluk DEMIRBAG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: HUMAN ERROR BLAMED FOR US FRIENDLY FIRE TRAGEDY


>accident.  But  a retired  Turkish  naval  officer, Nihat  Topuz,
>voiced the suspicions  of many compatriots when  he suggested the
>Muavenet  may  have been  targeted  by  an anti-Turkish  US  crew
>member. "The ethnic background of  those in the fire control room
>of the  US carrier should  be carefully checked," Mr  Topuz said.
>"They might be Armenians or Greeks."

>Turkey is in  dispute with Greece over  Aegean territorial waters
>and Cyprus, while Armenian  nationalists have previously launched
>attacks on Turks.

>British defence experts, however, believe  a human error during a

>THE INDEPENDENT, 4 October 1992


Hahahahaha what a funny person this officer :)))
He forgot the Kurds, the Assyrians, the African National Congress and of 
course the Irish Republican Army in his suspicions. :))


     -Helgge
                            

                             "We have on our hands a sick man,-
                              a very sick man."
                             -Nicholas I of Russia about Turkey
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