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From: kahler@delab.sintef.no (Bo Kahler)
Subject: Re: poor math equations
Reply-To: Bo.Kahler@delab.sintef.no
Organization: SINTEF DELAB, Trondheim, Norway.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 10:07:35 GMT

I think one should not expect a new frame release before second half of
93.

Now concerning the Frame editor it is my understanding that this is
where Frame all began, because a Stanford student wanted a WYSIWYG math
editor for typing his thesis. He later founded Frame - or so the legend
goes. That would explain for some of the hesitance in changing the
editor. But look into the various files Frame supplies (like the
keyboard binding files) and you will see that some of the Frame people
are painfully aware of the problems (at least comments about this were
in the rel. 2 files).

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Regards,

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SINTEF DELAB                           Phone: +47-7-593175
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Norway
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: rodger@Cadence.COM (Rodger Hughes)
Subject: Re: Spell Checking Anomaly!
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:19:41 GMT

engp1261@nuscc.nus.sg (Teng-Kiat Lee) writes:

>In article <1992Sep17.090231.9288@cc.uow.edu.au>, jeremy@snrc.uow.edu.au (Jeremy Lawrence) writes:
>|> In article 22488@bmerh85.bnr.ca, mjamesb@bnr.ca (M. James Bartley on bmerh121) writes:
>|> 
>|> > [...] I found an even more interesting
>|> >one recently while trying to figure out how to do some fancy
>|> >hypertext stuff (it didn't work):
>|> >
>|> >  - if you're on an Apollo or HP and your executable is maker3X.exe
>|> >    (somewhere down in $FMHOME/bin/bin.<your platform>), execute
>|> >    the command (while down in that directory):
>|> >
>|> >      strings maker3X.exe | grep What
>|> >
>|> >    and see what you get.
>|> 
>On my SPARC with FrameMaker 2.1, I get this:

>"What?  Evacuate now, in our moment of triumph? 
>Surely you overestimate their chances."

>Hmmm...what does it mean?


The legend live on!
Rodger.

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: allen@geac.com (Allen Septon)
Subject: revision control software
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:09:22 GMT
Organization: Geac Computer Corporation

We are using the MS-WINDOWS version of FrameMaker.

I am interested in what people using FrameMaker use for revision control
software which runs under DOS or WINDOWS. I would like a product that will 
allow me to work with the binary files created by Frame. 
I would prefer not to work with the ascii MML files.

If the product has a UNIX version also that would be great.
 
Please respond by email.

Thanks,

Allen

Allen Septon     allen@geac.com     416-475-7733
Geac Computer Corporation           Markham, Ontario
From: fred@poly2.nist.gov (Frederick R. Phelan Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Summary of Findings Re Frame -> WP
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:21:57 GMT
Cc: asm@eecg.toronto.edu

In article <5609@dove.nist.gov> I wrote:
|Hi,
|
|Our organization uses Word Perfect as it's de facto standard,
|but since I have tried frame on our SGI I prefer it.  Is there
|a conversion utility that anyone knows of that can be used to
|convert frame files to WP files?

I've been requested to post a summary, so here goes ...

Well, it turns out that part of the frame "filter pack" is a 
frame -> WP converter.  It's non-standard, you have to pay extra
for it.  For our SGI machine I called the Software Express line
and found out that it is $846 for the whole pack ... (you can't
just get part).  I was unable to determine how good it is at 
translating equations and tables.

Also, from the FAQ for this group:

   3   Where can I find a filter to convert <XXXXXX> to Frame?

There is a list of filters that is maintained, and posted to this list
when changed.  The filter list and most of the filters can be obtained
by anonymous ftp to the ftp sites listed below.
	
ftp-name			directory
--------			---------
ftp.irisa.fr			/FrameMaker/Filters
procyon.cis.ksu.edu		/pub/FUN/Filters
sunbane.engrg.uwo.ca		/pub/fun/filters
	
A mail server is available for (most of) the filters:
		mail-server@rus.uni-stuttgart.de
which belongs to the University of Stuttgart in Germany.

To find out how to use the server you can send the following commands
in the body of a mail to the server:
	HELP
	SEND HELP

The filters reside in the directory:  soft/unix/text/framemaker
and (for now) the following files are available:
   75541 Jul  6 18:01 soft/unix/text/framemaker/Filters.tar.Z
   85493 Jul  6 18:01 soft/unix/text/framemaker/bibframe-0.3.tar.Z
    6604 Jul  6 18:01 soft/unix/text/framemaker/epsf2epsi.tar.Z
   52503 Jul  6 18:02 soft/unix/text/framemaker/filters40.mif.Z
  107803 Jul  6 18:02 soft/unix/text/framemaker/fmbib.tar.Z
   43241 Jul  6 18:02 soft/unix/text/framemaker/la2mml.tar.Z
   38420 Jul  6 18:02 soft/unix/text/framemaker/mif2man.shar
    3116 Jul  6 18:02 soft/unix/text/framemaker/prog2mif.tar.Z
    7020 Jul  6 18:02 soft/unix/text/framemaker/ps3epsi.tar.Z
    6973 Jul  6 18:02 soft/unix/text/framemaker/pstoepsi.tar.Z
   22051 Jul  6 18:03 soft/unix/text/framemaker/word2mif12.sh.Z

Example of getting a file:
	begin
	send soft/unix/text/framemaker/prog2mif.tar.Z
	end
	
If you do not have access to any of these methods, request the list by
sending email to Ed van Leeuwen (Ed.van.Leeuwen@tnofel.fel.tno.nl) or
Mark Lawrence (framers-request@drd.com).

(Thanks to Ed and Mark, and thanks to Hansjuergen Paul
[paul@iatge.uucp] and Barbara Burr [Burr@rus.uni-stuttgart.de] for
helping to set up the mail server!)

_____End FAQ_____

Fred Phelan
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From: schwab@zwi.sh.bosch.de (Thomas Schwab)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Converter Frame -> WinWord wanted
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:03:35 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Robert Bosch GmbH, Germany

Does anybody out there know of a converter
from frame format (eg MIF) to WinWord format.

Unfortunately, only the other direction (Winword to Frame)
is available with the PC (Windows) version of FM.

Thanks in advance,
Thomas Schwab

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From: chili@IASTATE.EDU (Matthew S Carney)
Subject: Inserting Tables at the end of a text column
Keywords: Table
Reply-To: chili@IASTATE.EDU (Matthew S Carney)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:15:25 GMT

	I run Frame 3.0 on a Mac IIci with system 7.0, 20MB. My
question is: How can (can it be done ?) I insert a table at the
end of a page and have it be placed at the top of the next page
without it pulling a line of text with it. Whenever I try to do
this the last line from the previous page is pulled to the next
page with the Table and the Table is placed underneath it. This
leaves one line of text above the Table which is ridiculous. I
have tried changing every parameter in every dialog box that I
could think of and nothing works. My work around is to place a
return before inserting the table. Then, on the next page, I make
the paragraph containing the Table very thin so as to get the Table
as close to the top as possible. By the way, I tried setting the
Table placement to "top of page" and "top of column" but this still
pulled the last text line to the next page and placed the table
at the top of the page following that one!! This left only one
line of text on the intermediate page!!
   Any suggestions or solutions would be greatly appreciated,

		-Matt
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: mario@wdc.sps.mot.com (Mario Nigrovic)
Subject: Re: SUMMARY: Printing Booklets 
Organization: Motorola Western MCU Design Center, Chandler Arizona
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:12:01 GMT

[ recommendation to use psutils from Angus Duggan ]

I have gotten a copy of these utilities and am almost completely
happy with them, but I have the following problems:

	1. I can't switch page size.
		I do a booklet, usually 12 or 16 pages, which I
		print out on legal-sized paper.  The original
		document was letter-sized, so I could never get
		my printer to print more than letter-sized image
		area.  Solution: Switch original document size.

	2. Output hangs printer.
		After fixing the orignal as stated above, I can
		print the document to my SPARCprinter.  But after
		it's done printing, the NeWS version which formatted
		the document hangs, and I have to kill it before I
		can print anything else!  Solution: kill news after
		printing - yuck! (BTW - NeWSprint 1.0 with OW 2.0;
		this is not NeWSprint 2.0 for icky network reasons.)

	3. Obscure command-line syntax.
		I got over this, but...  I'm still not sure I
		understand it fully!

In general, I'm tickled pink to have a package which can do this!

							Mario

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From: robertw@informix.com (Robert Weinberg)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: 4 Color question
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:45:08 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

If I import a 4-process-color EPS graphic (say, from Adobe Illustrator) into  
FrameMaker, is there any way to get a 4-color process separation from the  
FrameMaker file (PostScripted preferred)? I'd be happy to get process separations  
for only the EPS graphics, and let the native Frame graphics and text just get  
"separated" as the usual spot colors.

Thanks for any info on doing this.

Rob

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: c code from vi
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:14:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.031738.13911@Cadence.COM> phz@cadence.com (Pete
Zakel) writes:

>In article <pete.715936644@marsh> pete@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Pete
Staples) writes:

>>How do I emulate vi type tabs in framemaker?

>>I have C code i want to put into an appendix and the tabs 
>>don't line up. Frame seems to position the first tab 
>>at tabstop 1 and if you are past it, tough. Whereas vi 
>>keeps "tabs" (perhaps a better word required here) of the
>>position on the line.

>Basically, you cannot convert the tabs directly, as vi, etc., uses "relative"
>type tabs (i.e.: "tab" means go to the next tab stop after the current
>position -- which is how it works on a typewriter) where Frame uses "absolute"
>tabs (the first tab character means go to the first tab stop, etc.).

>To convert, you need to change the tab characters to spaces.  Fortunately,
>there is a program supplied with Unix (at least on the sun -- and I'm pretty
>sure it is generic) called "expand" which converts tabs to spaces.

>Once you've converted the tabs to spaces, everything will line up properly
>when you import into framemaker (assuming you use a fixed width font -- all
>bets are off with variable fonts).

Also, don't forget to make sure that "Smart Spaces" is turned _off_.
You'll find this on the Document pop-up under the Format menu bar item.
Smart Spaces turns multiple consecutive spaces into a single one.  If you
don't turn it off, when you import that spaced vi file, all the spaces
will compact back to one space and you'll completely lose the tabbing.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: yount@fox.ece.cmu.edu (Charles Robert Yount)
Subject: Re: Equation editor 
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:33:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.030914.5115@nuscc.nus.sg> engp1261@nuscc.nus.sg (Teng-Kiat Lee) writes:

   I haven't gotten around to using this feature in Framemaker3.0
   for windows yet. But with my 2.0 running on a Sun SPARCStation,
   you have to do a lot of manual adjustment to get something like
   this to work.

		   x = a + b
		     = 1 + 2
		     = 3

   Has 3.0 fixed the alignment of equal sign problem yet? Or do
   I still have to handcraft every single line, which is really
   very painful.

   Regards,
   Kiat

I cheat by setting up a paragraph format called equation-array which
has three tab settings: a right one for the lhs parts, a centered one
for the "="s, and a left one for the rhs parts.  You can also add
autonumbering.  I insert a separate equation for the lhs and rhs parts
and just type the "="s into the default paragraph text.

Chuck Yount
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: EPSF Previewing in FrameMaker 3.1 Openwindows
From: jason@dme.nt.gov.au (Jason Wilson 95442)(
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:15:19 +0900
Reply-To: jason@dme.nt.gov.au
Distribution: world
Organization: Northern Territory Department of Mines & Energy

We are running International FrameMaker 3.1A under OpenWindows 3 on SunOS 4.1.2

We have a departmental logo which we include on most correspondance and takes a few seconds to render.

Is it possible to change the preferences option so that EPSF files are by default rendered using the EPSF image instead of the rendering the actual postscript.

Changing user preferences or default paramters for everybody is ok.

We cant work how to change it without each user going in at the beginning of each session and changing it.

Any help will be greatly appreciated, pls email me as i am unable to read this news group too often.



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From: teplitz@optilink.UUCP (Ron Teplitz)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: MacDraw and Powerpoint filters?
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:27:19 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

From article <1992Oct1.193054.12392@miki.pictel.com>, by oj@miki.pictel.com (Oliver Jones):
.> In article <naren.717460624@gaia.sce.carleton.ca> naren@sce.carleton.ca (Narendra Mehta) writes:
.>>
.>>Any one know of filters which will convert MacDraw and PowerPoint files
.>>into Frame files? 
.> 
.> I've had good success with this by doing Save As ... and 
.> selecting the PICT format for the draw file on the mac,
.> then copying the PICT file (data fork only, not using MacBinary
.> headers) to my Sun, then running the picttomif filter provided
.> by Frame as part of their filter pak.  (My employer sprang for
.> the filter pak).
.> 
.>>I have sent a fax to Frame regarding this, but I think it will be much
.>>faster getting a response from the net!
.> 
.> I bet you're wrong!  Frame support has always been prompt for me.
Are MacDraw files imported in this way editable using Frame drawing tools?
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: jpenovic@encore.com (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Autosave/backup bug?
Reply-To: jpenovic@encore.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:21:49 GMT

I use the Frame 3.1 Open systems version on an Encore 93 computer.
According to the documentation I can use Automatic Backup on Save 
AND/OR Automatic Save.  But in practice, if I turn off
Automatic Backup on Save, and turn on Automatic Save - Every n minutes,
it won't do any automatic saves while I'm working.  If I turn 
Automatic Backup on Save back on, Frame will start doing auto saves 
at the specified minutes.  Turn off Auto. Backup on Save, and Frame 
stops doing auto saves again.

Is this a bug or feature?  :-)  A lot of people here don't
like autobackup files created when they exit a file, but want
the file saved automatically while they are working on it in
case the system crashes while they're working. (we work on
development machines)

thanks.  jan

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From: steveh@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US (Steve Harding KA6ETB)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Asthetics
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 21:35:33 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: The GRAFex Company

pete@cs.curtin.edu.au (Pete Staples) writes:

]...[
 
> Another question, (one I noticed also in the maths thread) is there anyway
> of ensuring shrink wrap doesn't chop some of the equation?

Shrink wrap may chop off some of the equation as it is seen in the document,
but it will print all...at least so I am assured by Frame tech support.

I use this feature quite often with anchored frames containing graphics.

steve

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: pete@cs.curtin.edu.au (Pete Staples)
Subject: Asthetics
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:34:32 GMT

Howdy,

this may seem like a silly question but here goes:

I prefer the "look" of Tex, but in turn couldn't be bothered with it.
I much prefer frame, but similar fonts (eg Times ) come out a lot
bolder using frame in comparison to Tex. Is there any way to emulate the
"Tex look" using frame.

Also I was particularly interested in the Framemath thread, and agree that
frame does disappoint sometimes after you look at the finished product.

Another question, (one I noticed also in the maths thread) is there anyway
of ensuring shrink wrap doesn't chop some of the equation?

Thanks in advance

Peter  

email pete@cs.curtin.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Shading text column
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:47:03 GMT

In article <garzione.717973936@convex.convex.com> garzione@convex.com
(Michael Garzione) writes:

>Does anyone know of a way to shade the background in a text column
>so text comes out  black on a light gray?  I tried to do this in a
>postscript code column (see comp.lang.postscript), but don't see
>how with only level 1 postscript.  Anyone have any ideas?

You're doing it the hard way.

Instead of playing with PostScript, go to the master page (<esc>pm) hold
the shift and left click the mouse.  You should probably have "borders"
turned on to make this easy to see.  The text rectangle will now have the
handles showing you've selected it then just chose a gray Fill
color/pattern from the Tools menu and left click that.  Now you'll have to
apply your master page to the appropriate body page(s).  Use the "Column
Layout" menu under the Page pull down menu to do so.  RTFM on this menu as
it is a little complicated.
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From: robertw@informix.com (Robert Weinberg)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Bibliographies
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:54:07 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Sep25.140626.21050@APS.Atex.Kodak.COM> artc@bacchus.Atex.Kodak.COM  
(Art Campbell) writes:

     {lots of reasonable comments about Frame support deleted}

> But I think this problem is a result of the success of the product. When a  
company
> gets big fast, as FM is doing, there are always support problems.

For example, a user like myself needing NeXT support:

I dial into their support number and punch the button for "NeXT and Macintosh"  
support. The tech guy is nice and really tries, but sorry, he doesn't have a NeXT  
on which to check out my problem, and he professes to know nothing about UNIX, so  
has to get back to me after he gets hold of his UNIX guy.

IMHO, if you port, you need to put some minimal support in place.

Also, am I wrong, or do I virtually never see anyone from Frame jump onto this  
newsgroup?
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: oj@miki.pictel.com (Oliver Jones)
Subject: Re: MacDraw and Powerpoint filters?
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:21:16 GMT

In article <12591@optilink.UUCP> teplitz@optilink.UUCP (Ron Teplitz) writes:
>Are MacDraw files imported [using the Frame picttomif filter]
>  editable using Frame drawing tools?
Yes, they are!
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From: bharat@88opensi.88open.ORG (Bharat Kurani)
Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
Subject: GOOD PUBLISHING SOFTWARE ON x86 PC'S NEEDED
Keywords: DESKTOP PUBLISHING
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:25:45 GMT
Organization: 88open Consortium Ltd., San Jose

Hi I am interested in some good desktop publishing  software  on
PC'S preferably on Windows

If you know some good publishing software could you please post the same
along with the price.  I will be using this for technical  papers which
may involve different fonts, lots of cuts and paste and other features.

Please send me a reply at

 Bharat Kurani				Phone: 408-436-6608
 88open Consortium, Ltd.		Fax:   408-436-0725
 100 Homeland Court, Suite 800		email uunet!88opensi!bharat
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Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
From: cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY)
Subject: clip art?
Organization: Glassboro State College, Glassboro, NJ
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:18:05 GMT

this is probably a FAQ, but does anybody know where i can ftp some 
reasonable clip art? thanks...

kc
From: aterry@Teknowledge.COM (Allan Terry)
Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
Subject: SGML
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:59:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: alfred.30989
Distribution: na
Organization: Cimflex Teknowledge Corporation, Knowledge Systems Division

I have heard that there is an emerging "standard" called SGML (standard
graphic markup language) that can serve as a lingua franca between
editing/formatting programs and document viewing/printing programs.  The
idea seems to be to not format the text but to add declarations about what
various document elements are.  These hints can then drive how the text
looks in any given context.  This sounds like a Good Thing, but then it
sounds much like Scribe which I am very partisan for.  I think the US
Goverment picked SGML for the CALS standard.  Can anybody recommend a good
book describing it?  Out there in the real world, does anybody's system
support it?
				thanks, Allan

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