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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 06:30:10 CST
From: <U53718@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Playing in Chicago!

I do not know where exactly IN Chicago paintball can be played, but there
are several places in the suburbs, most notably Challenge Park in Joliet.
They have two stores, one in North Lake, and one in Joliet. The playing field
is in Joliet, about an hour or so from Chicago. I've played there several times
and I think the field is fantastic! I believe they held the Midwestern
Championships there a couple of years ago. There are many playing fields with
forts, bunkers etc. There is also a couple of bridges over water that lead to
opposing forts which make it a blast to battle for control of that area and get
across! I believe all of the refs are certified and they are very professional.
They stress safety overall at this park. Rentals are reasonable, with choice of
pumps or semis, and you may rent fatigues as well. You can get all the info.
you need by calling. Although I haven't been since winter began, there are
usually about 50 people each day on the weekends. Anyway, heres the number:

North Lake store: 708-531-1413
Joliet store:     815-729-1332


You can call either store for info. If anyone goes, let me know how you liked
it! :)

Alex at UIC
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball,talk.politics.guns
From: phardie@nastar.uucp (Pete Hardie)
Subject: Re: ANTI PAINTBALLERS???
Organization: Digital Transmission Systems, Duluth, GA.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:32:48 GMT

In article <cyang.728009223@unixg.ubc.ca> cyang@unixg.ubc.ca (Christopher Yang) writes:
>Don't get me wrong, the field where I played emphasized safety; but when
>you have newbies that require near constant supervision, it does get
>rather tiring.  Mind you, it was only in those short (or not so short)
>periods between the games that I can really complain about unsafe handling.
>My point was really that safe handling for paintball does not come
>anywhere near safe handling of firearms.  I didn't want to see people
>practicing unsafe gun handling skills with paintball guns, and
>I definitely don;t want to pick up their bad habits.

So talk to the field managers - if they agree, suggest stronger enforcement -
reward the safer ones with some free ammo.  If the managers don't agree,
explain your reasons, and go elsewhere if necessary to emphasize that you
want a safe sport.

>Unfortunately, there are control freaks that do play and will never leave.
>There are people that are on the cutting edge of paintball technology
>who are there not for the competition, but for the victory.  They were
>there long before I played at my favourite field, and they are still there.
>I'm not really being fair to my home field though.  There were good people
>and bad; it's just that the bad players often are more memorable.

I agree that the bad apples can ruin a day's play - that's why us Good Guys(tm)
are so important.

My rules for good play:
	1) accept that you are going to get nailed sometimes
	2) be honest
		I will give accurate paintchecks to an opponent I think I've hit,
		even if it means he will be able to fire back at me.  I'd rather go
		out in a hail of paint than because of a ruling.
	3) accept ties - if he fires as your paint hits him, or immediately after,
		and you're hit, accept it.
	4) compliment your opponents when they get you with a good shot.



-- 
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Digital Transmission Systems, Inc., Duluth GA
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Subject: <None>
From: tyger@vax2.winona.msus.edu
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:19:02 CST
Organization: Winona State University

I have a question.

Has anyone heard any information about the possibility of paintball
in the olympic games?

Just wondering.

				-Tyger



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From: bjs@neptune.phys.ufl.edu (Brian J. Smith)
Subject: Re: F-1 vs. F-2?
Organization: University of Florida Physics Department, CMT Group
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 04:54:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.234912.9299@informix.com> coburn@informix.com (David Coburn) writes:
>Has anybody tried out the new F2 Illustrator?  Any better than the F1?  I'm
>getting ready to buy my first gun, and my brother in law is trying to
>convince me to get one or the other.  So far, it's the only gun I've tried
>out (I'm somewhat new to this), and I plan on trying some others before I
>buy.  Recomendations, anybody?
>

.68 AutoMag without Powerfeed, best buy on the market.  That is if you can
find anyplace that has them.  I wouldn't recommend the F1 or F2.  Then again
if you live in a colder climate you might want to look into a Pro-Am.  They 
seem to work better in colder areas.  AutoMag is a warm weather gun.

Bjs (Another Very Happy AutoMag Owner)


-- 

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Department of Physics	    260 Williamson Hall      Fax:     (904) 392-0524 
University of Florida 	   Gainesville, FL 32611     Voice:   (904) 392-5339
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball,talk.politics.guns
From: phardie@nastar.uucp (Pete Hardie)
Subject: Re: ANTI PAINTBALLERS???
Organization: Digital Transmission Systems, Duluth, GA.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:30:06 GMT

In article <cyang.727829435@unixg.ubc.ca> cyang@unixg.ubc.ca (Christopher Yang) writes:
>What are you talking about? Are you denying that paintball is based
>on a military style exercise?  Sure paintball has evolved to the point
>where it is now a fun 'game', but so have shooting sports.
>I was a hard core paintball player before I took up action shooting,
>and I saw many, MANY people who played for the sole purpose of racking
>up 'kills'.  Their terminology, not mine. I played for hits and the fun
>of hunting something that could hit back without worrying about seriously
>hurting someone/something.
>
>I will no longer go back and play paintball on a regular basis.  My 
>firearms ARE different from paintball guns, and require safe handling.
>At any paintball field, you will see disastrous safe handling of their
>guns.  In essence, they are teaching people unsafe gun handling skills.
>If John Q Public is going to see this behaviour and extrapolate it
>to firearms owners, then I want no part of it.

Would you like to continue to play, assuming that more people had your views
of how to play?

If so, you do the sport a disservice by abandoning it.

Continue to play - get field owners to enforce safe handling (barrel plugs,
correct goggle wear, etc)

Encourage others to play for fun instead of 'kills' - discourage the ultimate
badsportmanship of newbie hunting.

If people who play well leave, the sport will vanish.


-- 
Pete Hardie:  phardie@nastar  (voice) (404) 497-0101
Digital Transmission Systems, Inc., Duluth GA
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From: Rich.Rubel@launchpad.unc.edu (Rich Rubel)
Subject: READ THIS: Of import to all PB players
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:25:16 GMT


The Washington Post
Wednesday, Jan. 27, 1993.

Judge Drops Assault Charge in Paint-Pellet Shooting

Attack Limited Vision of Gaithersburg Man

  A DC Superior Court judge dismissed the assault case yesterday against a
17-year-old in a paint-gun shooting near Dupont Circle [in DC] that left a
28-year-old Gaithersburg man with limited vision in one eye.
  Judge Harriett R. Taylor ruled in juvenile court that the government had
not shown sufficient evidence that the youth knew that the passenger in
the back seat of the car in which he was riding on Sept. 13 was going to
fire a paint-pellet gun at the man, whom the youth had asked for directions.
  Taylor ruled that the youth's request for directions, all three
occupants' apparent glee after the man was shot, and the sudden departure
of the car after the shooting was not enough to show that the youth was
involved in the assault.
  The dismissal came after the judge blocked government attempts to
introduce statements made to police by Navid Kazemimatin, 19, the driver
of the car.
  Kazemimatin was shot to death in his Bethesda home on Nov. 28, several
days after he had signed a plea agreement under which he was to testify
for the government.  No one has been arrested in his death. 
  The third person alleged to have been in the car, Toney M. Artice, 33,
of Friendsville, Md.  was charged with firing the paint gun from the back
seat of the car.
  His case is awaiting grand jury action.
<30>

And we wonder why the sport has a bad rep...
[RICHR]

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From: hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Who is Keith Idema?
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:24:26 CST
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY


Pardon my ignorance but who is Keith Idema? 

Does it really matter who he is?

Joey Hargis 'Hollywood'
IPPA #6419

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From: sew@philabs.philips.com (Scott E. Wakeman)
Subject: Re: READ THIS: Of import to all PB players
Originator: sew@condor
Reply-To: sew@philabs.philips.com (Scott E. Wakeman)
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, NY 10510
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:59:25 GMT


In article <1993Jan27.182516.8274@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Rich.Rubel@launchpad.unc.edu (Rich Rubel) writes:
|> 
|> The Washington Post
|> Wednesday, Jan. 27, 1993.
|> 
|> Judge Drops Assault Charge in Paint-Pellet Shooting
|> 
|> Attack Limited Vision of Gaithersburg Man
|> 
|>   A DC Superior Court judge dismissed the assault case yesterday against a
|> 17-year-old in a paint-gun shooting near Dupont Circle [in DC] that left a
|> 28-year-old Gaithersburg man with limited vision in one eye.
|>   Judge Harriett R. Taylor ruled in juvenile court that the government had
|> not shown sufficient evidence that the youth knew that the passenger in
|> the back seat of the car in which he was riding on Sept. 13 was going to
|> fire a paint-pellet gun at the man, whom the youth had asked for directions.
|>   Taylor ruled that the youth's request for directions, all three
|> occupants' apparent glee after the man was shot, and the sudden departure
|> of the car after the shooting was not enough to show that the youth was
|> involved in the assault.
|>   The dismissal came after the judge blocked government attempts to
|> introduce statements made to police by Navid Kazemimatin, 19, the driver
|> of the car.
|>   Kazemimatin was shot to death in his Bethesda home on Nov. 28, several
|> days after he had signed a plea agreement under which he was to testify
|> for the government.  No one has been arrested in his death. 
|>   The third person alleged to have been in the car, Toney M. Artice, 33,
|> of Friendsville, Md.  was charged with firing the paint gun from the back
|> seat of the car.
|>   His case is awaiting grand jury action.
|> <30>
|> 
|> And we wonder why the sport has a bad rep...


   On a similar note, my brother is a police officer in a nearby town here
  in New York and as I listened in on my scanner, he was dispatched to an 
  area where "youths were seen firing paintball weapons at houses". 

   In a case like this, in could turn out tragic if one of the kids pointed
  the marker in my brothers direction. 


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From: petekunz@iiic.ethz.ch (Peter John Kunz)
Subject: Re: Phantom!!
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:36:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.221806.23234@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st923265@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>have you actually played with a Sterling.  I'm thinking about either a 
>Sterling or a Grey Ghost and I really need more input from people who

well, since i don't like the idea of taking up semis with a pump, i pplay with
modified vm68s or f1s, and let the newbies handle the sterling :-) darn solid
gun, works great, seemsas indestructible as the vm68.


cu
-pete



-- 
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petekunz@iiic.ethz.ch	pkunz@amiga.physik.unizh.ch

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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Subject: Re: FAQ Equipment modification
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:20:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.121320.5143@wkuvx1.bitnet> hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>I just wanted to make a point on the FAQ Equipment list. 
>
>I think UVEX Goggles should be removed from the FAQ because 
>A.)They are NOT paintball approved.
>B.)UVEX has left the market.
>
These two facts are pointed out in the FAQ.  I think the UVEX goggle section
should stay precisely for what you pointed out.  There are still people and
even fields (Remember the Big Game) that still use substandard equipment.  
Unless a newbie knows better, the $8 pair of UVEX he sees at the field or
on the experience player (who doesn't wear a facemask) is an affordable
alterative to spending $50-80 for a quality goggle system.


-- 
" I am from the planet Larson on the far side of the Galaxy" said the
space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
From: sjm3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SALEM JON MAZZAWY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Apex Elite
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:35:51 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>Whoa...hold on.  For the price of an Elite you would probably be better off
>getting a semi-auto.  The Elite just MIGHT be worth the money...but I have
>found, (usually the hard way), that quantity usually beats quality.
>
>
>"Say, that's a nice revolver ya got there...but I'll bet me an my gatling gun
>will outshoot you in a draw...let's find out!"
>
Well actually, it only takes one hit to get an "out" call.   With the accuracy
of my CalOrdnance Mercenary, I can usually get that hit before any semi can
coat everything about me except me.   A little practice, and the same holds
true for moving targets.
                                            Salem
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Who is Keith Idema?  (The answer!)
From: tyger@vax2.winona.msus.edu
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:24:55 CST
Organization: Winona State University

Ok, it's a public reply. but oh well...

>>...But if you have ICS gear, hold onto it with both hands.  If you
>>don't, you might want to try and get a vest soon.
> 
> are they that good?
> 
In a word, yes.
I've had mine for 3 years, and the worst bit of wear is the velcro.  Quality
is expensive, but it's the most durable piece of gear I own (Besides my
paintgun).  Oops, I mean paint-thrower.  (Or was it paint-slinger?)
 
>>Oh well, I'll quit wasting CPU space and let someone els do something important
>>like posting a way to win against semi-autos with a Splatmaster(tm)...> 
>trick the semi into beleieving your semi is out of air, then splat him at close
>range. worked for me.. :-)

...If it were only so easy...

"I'm not politically correct, I'm euphamistically challenged."  -Unknown origin

-Tyger
From: duque@kurosawa.cica.fr (Jean-Fran ois Duquennois)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: pump debate
Keywords: Phantom & pumps: And about the Pirhana LB ?
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:00:13 GMT
Reply-To: duque@kurosawa.cica.fr


	I've followed the discussion on the Phantom, witch seems to be
a good pump, so as the sterling, witch look well-made.
	But with the article of Bjs who talk about the Pirhana of his  
friend,(a short barrel that seems to be threatening...), the sats it had
in FAQ equipement, in regard of the best semi actually known:

+---------------------------------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
| Gun (manufacturer, type)	        | O | A | C | D | R | U | H | L |
+---------------------------------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
| .68 Special (Tippman, semi)           | 2 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 3 | 3 | 
| 68 Automag (Airgun Design, semi)      | 2 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 3*|
| PMI Pirhana LB (PMI, pump)            | 2 | 1 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 2 | 2 |

Ranking:
    1=Excellent, 2=Very Good, 3=Good, 4=Poor 5=Bad

Catagories:
    O:  Overall rating	[1]
    A:	Accuracy	[2]
    C:	Consistancy	[2]
    D:  Distance	[3]
    R:	Reliablity	[4]
    U:	CO2 usage	[5]
    H:	Handling	[6]
    L:  Looks		[7]

	and my personnal experience with the small but very acurate PGP,  
with is exellent for some kind of play (not Flag, but others), very strong  
and reliable ( I had to get a 13" barrel, make an adjustable visor and  
compensate gas leak in my trracer to get the same acurracy, but with a  
shithly longer range..), im am seriously considering to buy one, with a  
barrel extension.
	
	Does anyone has some others information about this paint-gun? i'm
primaly interrested buy accuracy and range, velocitie regularities,  
helpfull accesoiries and the  all... not by rate-of-fire ( i'm a little  
bored to play that way, prefers sniper's way...), so dont bring out this.

	Other other subject, to follow the debate on paint-guns: we went  
to a tournament last week. First we couldn't bring the F-1, it had a leak  
pblm.
We had 3 PMI III, only one was all the time in play. One was shooting VERY  
short (10-15 yards...) and the second turned to full-automactic even with  
a full bottle. 


		Thank you all for your future answers...

				D J F 
" one ball from a PGP takes you out as 6 from an Automag".
From: memo1993@terapin.com (Guillermo Talamantes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Store Wars IV
Date: 24 Jan 93 21:37:00 PST
Organization: BBS


Ok guys, who here is planning on attending Paintball Hill's STORE WARS IV?
For those of you who don't know, PAINTBALL HILL is in Northern California and
was rated as the best field in '92 by Paintcheck Mag. I've missed the past
three for stupid reasons, but I'm surely going this time!  Anyway, it'll take
place in about four months with hopefully about 600+ players on 180 acres. 
Locals, please post if your comming and for what store you'll be defending. As
for myself, I'll be there on the Foxhunters team. I'm also assumming that the
IRONMEN will play for Petaluma P-B. Oh yeah, I'm not sure that this is SW IV,
it could be SW III, sorry. Later!

May the Force be with you...



        KEEP
              THOSE
                     BALLS
                            FLYING!!!



LONG LIVE THE PRO/AM!!!!!
From: ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alexander Franklin Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: IRONMAN on Olympics
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:25:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.kfMqieW00iV1Q5dWJ0
	<1993Jan22.170836.24304@nastar.uucp>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


   The IPPA attempted to get an exihibition game into the last Olympics,
I think however it would be far more probable for the upcoming Summer
Games in Atlanta '96.  I'll talk to Jessica Sparks about it and see if
anything is in the works.  From what I understand, a sport has to be
exhibition for a certain amount of time and keep a certain level of
popularity to get entered into the Olympics.  On the exhibition subject
however there are already exhibition games at Sports and Boats shows
with fake rocks and Western scenes that my team has played in and there
is someone in Pennsylvania that is interested in promoting an arena
paintball curcuit kinda like the Monster Truck thing.  I'll try to keep
you postedf.
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From: zoh1@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Chunae Zoh)
Subject: Re: Playing in Chicago!
Reply-To: zoh1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:02:53 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball,alt.sport.paintball
From: haldin@cc.helsinki.fi
Subject: Re: Apex Elite revisited
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:24:45 GMT

In article <1jvterINNcb6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, crm4@po.CWRU.Edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
> 
> I'm not sure exactly what the Apex costs, but from what I've heard , 
> they are anything but elite!! I would highly reccomend getting a
> Phantom. They are excellent guns. Even better yet , try a Sterling.

I have used my Apex Elite (it must be the 4th or 5th time I'm writing
this on the net) extensively for three years and still hold it as one of
the best pumps around. It's workmanship and accuracy is excellent and I
have experienced *very* little problems. Combined with a red dot sight
(Mirage or eq.) the gun is lethal (I know, shouldn't use words like
this). The drawback is the older design (i.e. the barrel can't be
removed for easy cleaning).
I have played with a lot of guns, including the Phantom in different
versions but excluding the Sterling, which sounds interesting, and the
on-the-net-glorified Auto-cocker. But although I own a state-of-the-art
modified semi w. red-dot sight and other attached goodies I find myself
using the Apex just as often (mostly depending on the terrain). It's a 
lot more fun crawling around and tagging your adversaries with just one,
surprising shot (preferrably in the back).
Unless the workmanship at Air Power has diminshed (their new semi, the 
Vector has at this point been delayed for more than a year), I would
still buy the Apex Elite today if I needed a pump (after checking out the
Sterling). 
I had to pay USD420 for my Apex when I bought it (list price was about
USD450 if I remember correctly), in I&I 92/93 Catalogue it was priced at
USD299, complete with 7oz CA & 100 round hopper. At that price I think
it's a bargain.

Michael Haldin
IN%"haldin@cc.helsinki.fi"
Paintballer In Hibernation (-15 C), Eagerly Awaiting Spring
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