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From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: Number 2's chair (was Re: Village buttons)
Date: 7 Sep 92 10:41:05 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <5SEP199223303070@venus.tamu.edu>, ewm6965@venus.tamu.edu (The
Guardian) writes:
>In article <25242@castle.ed.ac.uk>, aigdi@castle.ed.ac.uk (Gavin Inglis)
>writes...
>>I don't know where you can get one, but number 2's chair is called an
>>Eeno Aarnio chair, or something similar (I read it a while back :) )
>
>Anyone know what Number Six's jacket is called?  Peter Davison wore the same 
>type (albeit a different color) as the Doctor, and I've seen it at least one 
>other time in a British program as well.

All I know is that in Dr. Who the jacket was pushed as a "Cricket" jacket.

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Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:25:23 -0400 
From: "Daniel S. Efran" <de0t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Getting Away from the Subject

Excerpts from netnews.alt.tv.prisoner: 13-Sep-92 Getting Away from the
Subject Marc Allen@wyvern.twuug. (237)

> I do have a question though... Is the Prisoner show supposed to be a sequel
> to the popular Secret Agent show?


Officially, no.  It just happens to have the same actor playing a very
similar character.

Unofficially, many of us believe that Number 6 *is* John Drake, but others
disagree, and it doesn't really matter.

	---Daniel Efran
----------------------------------
An it harm none, do as you Will.
Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.
From: jerrett@iastate.edu (Gregory A Jerrett)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Petition for the SF Channel
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:26:14 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

for those of you interested in getting the Science Fiction Channel the best
way to get your cable company to subscribe is to present them with a
simple, handwritten petition with a couple of hundred signatures.
Your local comic book store or science fiction bookseller shoiuld be the 
best place rto start or find a petition to sign.

For those of you here in Ames, Mayhem comics has started a petition.  They
have about 100 signatures already but they are looking for 250 before they
turn it in to heritage cablevision.  I urger(urge) you to sign it if you haven't already.

Greg Jerrett
From: ewm6965@venus.tamu.edu (The Guardian)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: Number 7
Date: 6 Sep 1992 04:54:27 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station

In article <1992Sep1.153326.6239@news2.cis.umn.edu>, donnell@manowar.micro.umn
edu (Your Heinous) writes...
>In article <78832@ut-emx.uucp> joewhite@ut-emx.uucp (Joe Carl White) writes:
>>In article <30AUG199223471482@venus.tamu.edu> ewm6965@venus.tamu.edu (The
Guardian) writes:
>>>In article <24919@castle.ed.ac.uk>, aigdi@castle.ed.ac.uk (Gavin Inglis)
>>>writes...
>>>>Apparently the number "7" never appears _anywhere_ in the village. If
>>>Main theory I've heard is that 7 is commonly thought a lucky number, and
>>>there's no luck in the Village.
>>Could it maybe be something religious?  7 being associated with the Bible, not
>>wanting to offend the censors (far-fetched, but possible)?
>>Or is number 7 God?
>I believe I was told in Catechism <lutheran>, that 7 was Jesus's number.
>This was given, without explanation. I also recall that a number of
>Christian rock bands use 777 like Satanic ones use 666.

OK, quick summary of some Christian numerology:  Revelation gives 666 (616 in a 
few manuscripts, I think) as "the number of the beast" (which some think refers 
to Satan).  Main theory #1 is that this was directed at Nero and/or Domitian, 
two early persecutors of Christians whose names can both be turned into 666 w/ 
some manipulation (letters were also used as numbers in some languages; a 
spelling variant in one of these results in 616, too).  Main theory #2 is that 
666 refers to the demonic Trinity (Satan, Antichrist and the false prophet, as 
some put it) which falls short threefold of the Holy Trinity (which is thus 
represented by 777).

I've also heard of 2 being associated with Satan, 3 with God (Trinity?) and 9 
with Christ (opposite of 6?), but only one source I've seen mentions these and
I can't remember what it is.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: harsh@owlnet.rice.edu (Anish Harshad Masharani)
Subject: general cluelessness 
Organization: Rice University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:58:17 GMT



I dont' know if my last posting worked since I was having problems with my 
computer so please bear with me if you've heard this whine before.




I am very confused as to what is going on in the last episode of the show.
Please help me.
After of course flaming me for being an idiot for not understanding.

-- 
Both God and the government watch over us constantly,
	but we don't pay God taxes.

					The King of Fools
From: walker@Ingres.COM (Lynn Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: FAQ LIST AVAILABLE FOR THE PRISONER?
Keywords: none
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:05:52 GMT
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1


I'm new to this newsgroup. Before I post anything, I'd like to know if there's
an FAQ list for THE PRISONER? Please post--thanks.

		-- Lynn -- 

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From: ewm6965@venus.tamu.edu (The Guardian)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: Gilded Cage?
Date: 6 Sep 92 04:11:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BtI7Kw.7Mo@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v116r8ac@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
(Chris Nasipak) writes...
>Do you really feel like   |         Not Croaker           |Somewhere else, the
>arguing with a can of     |                               |tea is getting cold.
>deoderant that registers  | v116r8ac@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu |Come on - we've got
>nine on the Richter Scale?|   nasipak@acsu.buffalo.edu    | work to do.
>        --- Ace           |                               |  --- Doctor Who

Classic.

>"I wasn't expecting the ReichsInspektor General."  -- General Strasser
>"No One expects the Reichsinspektor General." -- Doctor Who, TimeWyrm:Exodus

You're KIDDING!  How could I have missed that?
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: Rerun rumours...
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:33:40 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Sep4.133213.8665@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, thchemb4@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> ...C4 will rerun the Prisoner on wednesday evenings at 11.15pm
> beginning sept. 23rd.
> Apparently this is almost exactly 25 years after the first UK screening.
> 
> Spookey eh?

No.  What would REALLY be spooky is if Angelo Muscat started talking backwards.
-- 

cdt@pdp.sw.stratus.com      --If you believe that I speak for my company,
OR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet...
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Number 6's jacket
Date: 6 Sep 92 10:08:42 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


> Anyone know what Number Six's jacket is called?  Peter Davison wore
> the same  type (albeit a different color) as the Doctor, and I've
> seen it at least one  other time in a British program as well.

Well, the outfit Peter Davison's Doctor wore was supposed to be a sort of
cricket uniform, I think.  I doubt the Prisoner's jacket is a cricket
jacket though; I suspect that a jacket like that wasn't in as questionable
fashion taste at the time as it is today.  You could no doubt find any
number of black lightweight sports jackets around that you could put the
white trim onto, and have the same thing.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: maupb@warwick.ac.uk (Mr J L Saunders)
Subject: Roleplaying and the Prisoner
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 12:42:23 GMT
X-Posted-From: lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Has anyone ever attempted to create a roleplaying games scenario or 
freeform game based on the Prisoner ? I've read the Gurps supplement on the
Prisoner and have been thinking how to present it to the players.

The unusual background of TP means that the usual co-operative atmosphere
of a group working together has to go ... when did you ever see anyone
walking around in groups of more than two unless they were the band or
warders ? I thought a cinematic approach to it might be the best way, you
would have one person as the prisoner with the rest of the players receiving
descriptions of the characters they would be playing in the next scene. 
These other characters could then focused upon in the ensuing scenes, and
would have their own motivations. 

Writing a scenario for TP is taxing, good luck to anyone who tries 
Once it's written I intend to run it at a games convention.


-- 
                       Jason L Saunders [ RouE ]      
                     email: maupb@csv.warwick.ac.uk
snail: Warwick Business School, University of Warwick, Coventry CV4 7AL, UK
From: aigdi@castle.ed.ac.uk (Gavin Inglis)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: color of badges PLUS A bit about Mrs Butterworth
Date: 12 Sep 92 11:51:58 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Sep9.203259.3948@umbc3.umbc.edu> hannon@umbc4.umbc.edu
>(Mr. Scott Hannon; PHYS (GRAD)) writes:
>
>   Perhaps (I'm guessing) it is an indicator of what side the prisoner
>   was really on before being confined in the village. Possibly free
>   world and communist, but I favor village and non-village. The
>   negative badges thus indicate the wearer is a prisoner, but was
>   once a village insider, and thus is to recieve different treatment
>   (because they know more about the running of the village).
>
>   Maybe someone with more familiarity can shoot this idea down?

I believe I can blow this one soundly out of the water: in Many Happy
Returns...oops, hang on, major spoiler for this episode follows... 



In Many Happy Returns, the new number 2 (Mrs.  Butterworth) wears a
black badge.  Therefore it can hardly mean she is a prisoner.  Good
thinking though, sounds in the right direction.  I personally subscribe
to the "goes well with light clothing" theory.

Now: I've just noticed that (Georgina Cookson?) who plays Mrs
Butterworth, also appears in "A, B and C" as a lady at the party, when 6
meets C. Since this is a dream sequence, and she looks pretty similar to
Mrs Butterworth, is it worth deducing from this that "Many Happy
Returns" precedes "A, B and C" in the 'perfect' episode running order?

Be seeing you,
-- 
Gav                     | "Shouldn't you be doing this in the hospital?"
<aigdi@uk.ac.ed.castle> |                              
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: pierson@empror.enet.dec.com (dave pierson)
Subject: Re: color of badges PLUS A bit about Mrs Butterworth
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:53:29 GMT

In article <25769@castle.ed.ac.uk>, aigdi@castle.ed.ac.uk (Gavin Inglis)
writes, in aprt:

>In article <1992Sep9.203259.3948@umbc3.umbc.edu> hannon@umbc4.umbc.edu
>>(Mr. Scott Hannon; PHYS (GRAD)) writes:

>>   Perhaps (I'm guessing) it is an indicator of what side the prisoner
>>   was really on before being confined in the village. Possibly free
>>   world and communist, but I favor village and non-village. The
>>   negative badges thus indicate the wearer is a prisoner, but was
>>   once a village insider, and thus is to recieve different treatment
>>   (because they know more about the running of the village).

>>   Maybe someone with more familiarity can shoot this idea down?

>I believe I can blow this one soundly out of the water: in Many Happy
>Returns...oops, hang on, major spoiler for this episode follows... 
> 
>
> 
>In Many Happy Returns, the new number 2 (Mrs.  Butterworth) wears a
>black badge.  Therefore it can hardly mean she is a prisoner.

	Wellllll.  We are getting a bit away from badges when I inquire:
		Really?

	Perhaps Mrs B IS a Prisoner.  I'd have said one of the "themes" of T_P
	is that wee are ALL Prisoners.  Some of us have a bit of authority,
	but many prisons use a trustee system.

	Some of us come and go, but many prisons have paroles and furlough
	schemes.

thanks
dave pierson			|the facts, as accurately as i can manage,
Digital Equipment Corporation	|the opinions, my own.
146 Main St			|I am the NRA.
Maynard, Mass	
01754				pierson@majsty.enet.dec.com
"He has read everything, and, to his credit, written nothing."  A J Raffles
From: mallen@wyvern.twuug.com (Marc Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: Getting Away from the Subject
Date: 16 Sep 92 02:26:08 GMT
Organization: Tidewater UNIX Users Group

intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder) writes:


>> Speaking for myself I see no need, nor advantage in making
>>         #6 == John Drake.  There are similarities, similar jobs, etc.
>>         

>It kind of reminds me of a common argument in the realm of comic books, another
>interest of mine.  Comic books like to have a sense of "continuity" -- the 
>feeling that stories take place one after the other, and the characters and
>future plots are affected by the outcome of each story.  They also like to
>remain "modern", and they like to throw in the latest modern cultural
>references (someone may make reference to the Gulf War, for instance).

>These phenomenae have led some people to become somewhat disturbed, and they
>ask: "If there have been fifty separate Christmas stories over the years in
>BATMAN -- doesn't that mean that Batman has been leaping around Gotham now
>for fifty years?!  That doesn't make sense!"  And of course, the answer to
>their question is... no.  It doesn't mean that.  Some people can't deal
>with that, it seems.  They might enjoy the comics more if they did.

>I see the Prisoner/John Drake argument the same way, and I give the same
>answer: "Don't let it worry you."  I tend to think people would get more
>out of the program if the first question they asked in every interview was
>not, "Is the Prisoner John Drake?"

Land sakes!  I was just asking out of curiousity.  It's not am important
issue one way or the other. <grin>

Marc
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: yousten@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Ken Yousten)
Subject: McGoohan on Masterpiece Theatre
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 06:00:08 GMT

I was just told that Masterpiece Theatre was making a movie called THE BEST OF
FRIENDS. planned for this year, to star PMG and John Gielgud.  Can anyone 
tell me any more about this?
--
Ken Yousten  (Currently living in Champaign, IL)  yousten@atlantis.cs.orst.edu
	 "Her voice-- I know other words, but we'll stick with this
	 	   one-- was nice."   -- Dashiell Hammett
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: Getting Away from the Subject
Date: 15 Sep 1992 06:20:51 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


> Speaking for myself I see no need, nor advantage in making
>         #6 == John Drake.  There are similarities, similar jobs, etc.
>         

It kind of reminds me of a common argument in the realm of comic books, another
interest of mine.  Comic books like to have a sense of "continuity" -- the 
feeling that stories take place one after the other, and the characters and
future plots are affected by the outcome of each story.  They also like to
remain "modern", and they like to throw in the latest modern cultural
references (someone may make reference to the Gulf War, for instance).

These phenomenae have led some people to become somewhat disturbed, and they
ask: "If there have been fifty separate Christmas stories over the years in
BATMAN -- doesn't that mean that Batman has been leaping around Gotham now
for fifty years?!  That doesn't make sense!"  And of course, the answer to
their question is... no.  It doesn't mean that.  Some people can't deal
with that, it seems.  They might enjoy the comics more if they did.

I see the Prisoner/John Drake argument the same way, and I give the same
answer: "Don't let it worry you."  I tend to think people would get more
out of the program if the first question they asked in every interview was
not, "Is the Prisoner John Drake?"
From: yousten@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Ken Yousten)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: inside joke?
Date: 6 Sep 92 20:01:59 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

As part of an effort to satisfy my growing appreciation of old movies, I
recently bought _Halliwell's Filmgoers Companion_.  This is from his entry
on PMG:

"American-born leading man with individual characteristics..."

"INDIVIDUAL characteristics", huh?  I like it...
--
Ken Yousten  (Currently living in Champaign, IL)  yousten@atlantis.cs.orst.edu
	 "Her voice-- I know other words, but we'll stick with this
		   one-- was nice."   -- Dashiell Hammett
From: seaverw@columbia.dsu.edu (W. A. Seaver)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: number 7
Date: 11 Sep 92 02:20:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dakota State University

In article <1992Sep9.210601.26467@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> millere@frith.msu.edu writes:

>As a kid in grade school, seeing The Prisoner for the first
>time, I made a couple of assumptions about the numbers six and
>seven. First of all, in spite of arguments to the contrary, John
>Drake WAS The Prisoner. He received the number 6 moniker because
>he was one step above James Bond, who was number 7. Being a naive
>gradeschooler, I only thought that John Drake was used to his number
>6 in his previous secret agent life, having used it on the job much
>the same way Ian Fleming's hero used 007. You didn't see '7' because
>the rights to the James Bond character couldn't be obtained.

Except 007 represented James Bond's license to kill, not a rank.
From: millere@frith.msu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: number 7
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:06:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering
Originator: millere@frith.egr.msu.edu

As a kid in grade school, seeing The Prisoner for the first
time, I made a couple of assumptions about the numbers six and
seven. First of all, in spite of arguments to the contrary, John
Drake WAS The Prisoner. He received the number 6 moniker because
he was one step above James Bond, who was number 7. Being a naive
gradeschooler, I only thought that John Drake was used to his number
6 in his previous secret agent life, having used it on the job much
the same way Ian Fleming's hero used 007. You didn't see '7' because
the rights to the James Bond character couldn't be obtained.

Obviously, number 2 must have been James Bond's boss. 

Only recently, having seen the series on PBS do I realize that
none of this applies; however, it is still difficult to completely
get rid of the above asumptions. Did anyone else share these
misconceptions? Do 'Q' and Moneypenny fit somewhere in the Village?
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: terry@thisbe.Eng.Sandy.Novell.COM (Terry Lambert)
Subject: Re: Number 7
Organization: Novell NPD -- Sandy, UT
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:17:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.045427.23179@tamsun.tamu.edu> ewm6965@venus.tamu.edu (The Guardian) writes:
>Main theory #1 is that this was directed at Nero and/or Domitian, 
>two early persecutors of Christians whose names can both be turned into 666 w/ 
>some manipulation (letters were also used as numbers in some languages; a 
>spelling variant in one of these results in 616, too).  Main theory #2 is that 
>666 refers to the demonic Trinity (Satan, Antichrist and the false prophet, as 
>some put it) which falls short threefold of the Holy Trinity (which is thus 
>represented by 777).

	Wouldn't that make the trinity 667 or 669?  Is Roman numeral addition
columnar-associative?  If so, how did they account for the missing sheep
when both herds contained multiple Roman digits which were added when the
herds were merged (resulting in a larger Roman number, using columnar
association, than there were actual sheep)?  Given the language of the
dead sea scrolls, wouldn't the original have used an Arabic rather than
a Roman system?  Inquiring minds want to know... 8-).


					Terry Lambert
					terry_lambert@gateway.novell.com
					terry@icarus.weber.edu

---
Disclaimer:  Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of
my present or previous employers.
From: donnell@shark.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: Getting Away from the Subject
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:20:12 GMT
Organization: none

In article <1992Sep13.003404.9366@wyvern.twuug.com> mallen@wyvern.twuug.com (Marc Allen) writes:
>Hmmm.... I know I'm kinda new around here, but it seems to me that we're 
>a bit of the topic of the Prisoner.
>
>I do have a question though... Is the Prisoner show supposed to be a sequel
>to the popular Secret Agent show?
>
>Marc L. Allen
>

There is a bit of debate on this point. McGoohan has stated that he wanted
someone else to be in the show, but he ended up being #6, with the result that
<paraphrased> "#6 is not John Drake. He just looks like him".
The company that made "Secret Agent/DangerMan", was different from the company
that made "The Prisoner" and they would have had to work out some copyright
problems, so that might be the reason for the denial.
George Markstein, co-creator of "The Prisoner" had a falling out with McGoohan
halkfway through the series, and was replaced. He has stated that "The Prisoner"
is DEFINATELY John Drake. He also considers the Prisoner as a load of hogwash, 
but it was partially his creation. 
The local PBS station used to alternate The Prisoner with Secret Agent.
There are a lot of similarities, and a lot of things that support the idea
that Drake is #6. I was shocked to see that Secret Agent is, at times, even
MORE paranoid than the Prisoner, with lots of closeups of knowing glances
being exchanged between minor characters with no explanation.

Could it be that John Drake discovered that his side was running a Villagfe
type operation. Disgusted at this, he resigns. Next thing you know, he's
in a new show, but unsure whether it is his side, or the other. Could it be 
that Drake was sent in to test the security of the Village?

I like to think that #6 is Drake, it seems so obvious, but the official word
is NO.

					--Judex--