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From: chiac@ee.ubc.ca (chia-tung chen)
Subject: Re: Gravis vs SoundBlaster vs PAS 16 (was Re: Gravis Ultrasound)
Organization: University of BC, Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:40:14 GMT

To: harrison@lclark.edu
Subject: Re: Gravis vs. SoundBlaster vs. Pas 16 (was Re: THE GRAVIS ULTRASOUND)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Organization: University of BC, Electrical Engineering
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In article <Bw0w0w.A8J@news.udel.edu> jon@chopin.udel.edu (Jon Deutsch) writes:
>	OK, I understand this.  Now, who's-to-say that people actually
>	WILL start supporting the Gravis?  I mean, OK, it's gotten a lot
>	of net-hype, but as far as real-world advertising, NO ONE has
>	ever heard of the damned thing.  

With all the design and work put into Ultrasound at Gravis, it is definitely
not a damned thing.

In <Bw0H0K.835@news.udel.edu> harrison@lclark.edu (Mark Harrison) wrote:

>This is what I meant in my first post.  Everyone keeps concentrating on the
>SB.  The SB16 is still just a bigger and better version of old, crappy
>technology.  Most people who know anything about sound knows that FM is
>not the way to go.  That's what the hype is over this card.

Sound Blaster has received a wide acceptance among the public, its 
technology is an older one compare to Ultrasound; but it is not a crappy
technology.

The point is, for low cost PC soundcards, Gravis tried to setup a new
standard (not new technology). People are exciting about this fact. But
in no way that they are denying the joyful hours that a Sound Blaster
card has brought to many of its users. 

We are all PC soundcard lovers and we like to see its technology and
quality evolve or improve over the years. We are users, not the 
developers. When a new card coming out, we appreciate the time and energy
the developers have put in for its birth. But at the same time, we should
degrade neither the new card's value nor the old cards' technology.

I am a happy GUS owner, but I think I  would be just as happy with a Sound
Blaster if I am not aware of GUS's existence.
(mind you, I waited the whole summer and another month for this card.)

				chia-tung chen
				chiac@ee.ubc.ca

ps. I did not have a very good summer.  :-)


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From: ksikio@vipunen.hut.fi (Kari J T Siki|)
Subject: Re: Scream Tracker 3??
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:03:18 GMT

In <Bw6Jz7.L44@news.orst.edu> ketrenoj@ucs.orst.edu (Lord Logics) writes:

>] From: markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca (MARC PAULIN)
>] >... well, i don't know this as *fact* but i have heard from a fairly rel
>] >source the following:
>] 
>] >        * Scream Tracker 3.0 will be available in 1993
>] >        * It will support up to 32 channels
>] >        * It will be commercial
>] 
>]         Will it support the Gravis Ultrasound??  And how about MOD Play I
>] Will it include a GUS support?

>.... MODPLAY is written by Mark Cox, not the author of Scream Tracker... as to
>ST3 supporting the Gravis, that is what i have been told.  i can only assume
>that this is the reason why it will not be released for some time yet, as the
>card itself was just released.

I've been talking with Sami Tammilehto (the author of Scream Tracker)
a few times, and the actual reason why the releasing has been delayed
is the lack of time he has had for programming (for instance he just
had his matriculation exam etc.) Still, he is quite convinced hi'll
finish it in near future. We've had also discussion about 16-bit samples
as instruments (which would be a _vast_ improvement) - let's see if
this becomes reality! Maybe I'll call him again soon...

Anyway, folks, has anyone else got a bit bored with 8 bit samples?
Ofcourse rare people have 16-bit cards, but still it would be
a nice alternative...
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From: morgan@dl5000.bc.edu (Morgan Stair)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: GUS is NOT sb-pro compatable
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:59:39 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Institute for Space Research, Boston College


Hate to phrase it that way, but I really need to get an answer.  The last
posting related to this had a subject like "Re: GUS = SBPRO?" and a
body like "My GUS has not problems emulating the SB".

Is it, or isn't it SoundBlaster * * P R O * * compatable?

Thanks in advance to all that answer (even if I do get a hundred email
messages) :-)

-Morgan

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: ketrenoj@ucs.orst.edu (Lord Logics)
Subject: Re: Gravis vs SoundBlaster vs PAS 16 (was Re: Gravis Ultrasound)
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:25:38 GMT

] Sound Blaster has received a wide acceptance among the public, its 
] technology is an older one compare to Ultrasound; but it is not a crappy
] technology.
] 
] The point is, for low cost PC soundcards, Gravis tried to setup a new
] standard (not new technology). People are exciting about this fact. But
] in no way that they are denying the joyful hours that a Sound Blaster
] card has brought to many of its users. 

... i agree.  to all those that feel the Gravis won't be supported, look at
it this way, when the Adlib came out, it was the first to support FM Synthesis,
and NOTHING supported it.  people bought it, and it became the standard.  about
a year later, the Sound Blaster came out w/ the FM Synthesis AND a digital
channel.  NO ONE supported the digital channel, but people bought it anyway
even tho it was a bit more expensive than the Adlib.  Now look at the market--
almost every game dons the words: "Adlib/Sound Blaster Supported.  Digital
Speech with Sound Blaster"

with the new Gravis there is no FM Synthesis, and no single digital channel,
but in a since, a very powerful combination of the two, and multiplied by
32... granted, its NOT SUPPORTED BY ANYONE YET, but hey, it will be.  Its the
first to come out with its line of "technology" for a low priced PC sound
card, so it will become the standard in its rank, and all the new games will
start supporting it, and in the future, like EGA has died out, FM Synthesis
will die out, and digital speech will be supported on the Sound Blaster and
the Gravis, and music will most likely start being solely on the Gravis.  
the sound blaster can't compete w/ the digital wave table, not in the game
market.

if you buy the Gravis, right ALL the game companies you like, and tell them
that you would love them to support the Gravis, and if everyone does that (or
even a handful) then they'll listen and it won't be long before it is a 
standard.

just my thoughts on the situation (after looking at graphic card trends, floppy
trends, operating system trends, etc., etc. . . .)

James
ketrenoj@ucs.orst.edu
From: twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: THE GRAVIS ULTRASOUND
Date: 13 Oct 1992 18:28:05 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Civil Engineering, U.B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: sam.civil.ubc.ca

In article <PJA.92Oct11141134@lk-hp-10.hut.fi> pja@lk-hp-10.hut.fi (Petri Juhani Jarre) writes:
>In article <Bvy09u.Brs@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> ptran@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Phat H Tran) writes:
>>   If you want 16bit 44kHz digital audio, why would you choose a PAS-16 
>>   over the Ultrasound? 
>
>PAS can be taken home today and it can sample 16bit 44KHz today. Here
>neither applies to GUS (haven't really checked its local existence).
>
>Are there release dates for the daughterboards? Reliable release
>dates? Bad joke, I know.
>....

It seems that your arguments are based on the fact that parts of GUS is
not yet available (games that supports GUS, daughtboards) and GUS is not
yet available everywhere (it's been released in Canada surely you can
wait a coupld more days in the States, or is it be available in the
States by now?), where is all of PAS is here now. Why wait?

Well, this is a good point. It's up to you if you can afford to wait or
if you need it now. We go through this phase regardless of what we buy.
Should I buy my 486 now or should I wait till the P5 is released? (which
should be Christmas or beginning of next year??). Should I buy my car
now? Or should I wait a little while because one or two of the brands
I'm looking at will be remodelled for next year. Should I get OS/2 now
or should I wait for Windows NT? Should I buy my Luxman stereo now or
should I wait for the new line of Nakamichi to come out?...etc.

New technology is always on the go and better things are always coming
out. It's a judgement call by yourself depending on your persnal factors
whether you want to buy now or if you'd rather wait for the new model
and if the wait won't be that much longer. I know I recently made a
mistake. I bought a new ATI XL card a couple of months ago but if I had
waited, I could now buy a 24 bit ATI XL24 for only a little more $.
And of course once I bought the card, depreciation rates killed me so
there is no way I can afford to sell my card and get back enough to buy
the new one. So it's a judgement call which only you yourself can make.
Hence if it doesn't work out, you only have yourself to blame.

Thomas.
From: terry.walter@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Terry Walter) 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: ENSONIQ
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:29:00 GMT
Reply-To: terry.walter@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Terry Walter) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Outland BBS-UUCP

I know this is a great sound chip, I did have a IIGS before and it did
the job very well.  THis will be a interesting sound card if they come
out with it.

Is Gravis going to be releasing a developers kit?

I think I would of bought a Gravis, but in May there were only 8 bit
sound cards, and MV got my business.

also, for those IIGS users that switched to IBM, how do I take my
SoundSmith song and instruments and be able to use them on the IBM?
From: s48054005%vax9k.dnet@nchud1.nchu.edu.tw (My name is...)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Question: play .VOC from pc speaker?
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:42:17 GMT
Organization: NCHU, TAIWAN
Organisation: National Chung Hsing University, Taiwan


We'r a group programming CAI, and we hope to have some voice in
our work, but what we have is SB Toolkit only, so:
1. Could we make the pc speaker playing the .VOC file?
2. How about the AD-LIB for playing voice?

HELP!!
From: csas400@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: GUS will be discontinued !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:55:51 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System

In article <GJAMES.155@HUSKY1.STMARYS.CA>, GJAMES@HUSKY1.STMARYS.CA (GJames) writes:
> I was just talking to a retail outlet here who had 20 GUS cards. Although 
> all of the cards had been sold the store was only ordering enough to cover 
> the XMAS rush. According to the salesman, who apparently has contacts at 
> advanced gravice, there will be a GUS PROFESSIONAL soundcard released in the 
> spring. This card will offer all of the features of the GUS and will also 
> have simultaneous 24 channel stereo (24 left adnd 24 right), a 15 watt amp, 
> a 64 channel mixer, fully MIDI and MPC compliant, 16 MB max ram, onboard 
> 68030 processor to handle all sound manipulation and he thought all of the 
> standard I/O ports as well. 
> 
> This is all supposed to cost in the $300.00 Can. range.
> 
> Can anybody confirm or deny this for me.
> 
> If it is true I sure am happy I didnt but the GUS. I think I'll wait a while 
> to see what developes.
> 

Give me a break!  Look at the current prices for /stuff/ like this and ask
yourself....does this seem to be in the /correct/ range.  If so time to do
a reality check.


				-Jeffrey E. Hundstad

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: swkgohw@nuscc.nus.sg (Goh Winston (Mr))
Subject: SB Pro 16
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:48:19 GMT

Well met Peter,

'twould be releasing this Thursday at a Informatics '92, a trade show
here in Singapore.  I believe someone just said that it was released in
the US last week.  Check the entries in this group.

					Sir Launcelot Du Lake
From: twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: GUS vs. PAS 16
Date: 16 Oct 1992 18:06:52 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Civil Engineering, U.B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: sam.civil.ubc.ca

In article <9210142228.AA05323@thor.tjhsst.edu> cmetz@thor.tjhsst.edu (Craig Metz) writes:
>.....
>	I *HIGHLY SUGGEST* that you take the time to call Gravis's 1-800 
>number and ask for "Brad Craig". He's out this week, so try to get his 
>assistant (Mark?). He's the one I've talked to, and certainly as long as they
>don't hear from people that the policy of REQUIRING nondisclosure and NOT 
>HAVING ANY INTENTION OF CHANGING is not exactly going to encourage hobbyists
>to spend their time writing software that supports the card. Look at what 
>happened to the original Pro AudioSpectrum - at that time Media Vision had
>the same policies. The card had *NO* software support by hobbyists, just a
>few commercial manufacturers like Sierra. I doubt you'll find a happy owner
>of the original PAS card anywhere.
>

Hhmm... very interesting. The "anti-hobbyist" attitude of Gravis that
is. Well, I suggest that all hobbyists go let Gravis know how you feel.
You can call them or send them am email ....

Their Fax number is (604) 434-5155 and their phone (604) 431-1807.

Email:  75300.733@compuserve.com

I will also forwrad this message to the Ultarsound mailing list and 
ask the hobbysits there to do so as well.  With a mass outcry, I'm sure 
we'll get things going again. As with the OS/2 driver, someone annouced
that they will be writing one now.

Thomas.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: mishizak@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Maki Ishizaki)
Subject: Re: Music for SBPro (Regarding RBGDemo2 also)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:59:27 GMT

In article <719035803snx@hektar.welly.gen.nz> robert@hektar.welly.gen.nz writes:
>
>In article <1bcbcbINNaib@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aeb3@po.CWRU.Edu writes:
>
> >         Does anyone have any of the .670 (?) type music that was in the
> > RBGDemo2?  That was some really awesome stuff.
>
>Did anyone manage to get this going?  I kept on getting "not enough low
>memory" errors, even though I booted with *just* HIMEM.SYS loaded.
>Nothing else.  I had 635000 bytes of memory free.

Same here.

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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard,comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Sound cards for OS/2
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:42:01 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <2319@ncr-mpd.FtCollins.NCR.COM> gkendall@ncr-mpd.FtCollins.NCR.COM (Guy Kendall) writes:
>
>What about in a DOS VDM? Is there a way to get Soundblasters to work in a DOS
>Window yet?

What do you mean by "yet"?  You always could use SB software in a DOS
box.  I've been doing it for quite some time.  If the app uses the SB
interrupts (and not the DOS timer) for timing, it'll work fine,
otherwise it'll be a bit slow.

-- 
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dic5340@hertz.njit.edu| software; and the computer industry doesn't have enough
----------------------+ programmers to create that much good software.
Therefore, most of it must be worthless" -- Boris Beizer "The Frozen Keyboard"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: arumble@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Anthony Rumble)
Subject: Re: GRAVIS ULTRASOUND has shipped to Canada -> ships to US in two we
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:49:22 GMT

chrisr@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Chris Ringe) writes:

>?jt@hoops.cc.purdue.edu (Andrew Thomas) writes:

>- In article <1992Oct5.234032.9319@epas.toronto.edu>, gkirikos@epas.utoronto.ca
>- |> Hello,
>- |>
>- |> I called Advanced Gravis this afternoon, and was told that the card
>- |> has officially been released in Canada (as of Friday), and is due to
>- |> ship to the US in two weeks. A press release was made on Friday, and
>- |> the person I spoke to said that they'll try to post it on Compuserve
>- |> (hopefully someone will capture the message and post it in this newsgroup)
>- |>
>- |> At last, the long wait is over!!!
>-
>- The wait may be over for you lucky Canadians, but not yet for us US folks.
>- Any idea why they are waiting 2 weeks to ship to the US?

>Probably for the same reason we had to wait a heck of a long time for the Supra
>Modems... DOC/CSA approval, or in the US case FCC/??? approval...

But when do we see the card in Australia!!!


-- 
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aka SmilieZ
"Anything is possible.. If there is enuf money in it"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: s1070627@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Brett Paterson)
Subject: .VOC to .SAM?
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:16:56 GMT


  I have been using modedit 2.0 lately (and think it's great), and want to
create some of my own samples, instead of those supplied.
  I would like to use the .voc standard to start off with, but .wav or .snd
could be used also.
  Then I would like to convert this over to modedit's .sam format.  Is there
a way or a utility to do this?
  Another thing.. Is there a zip file that is ftp'able anywhere with a few
.sam's in it?

Any help would be appreciated..

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From: zappe@mikro.ee.tu-berlin.de (Harald Zappe)
Subject: Re: WinMod 
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:26:48 GMT

In <1992Oct15.174928.11656@ncsu.edu> mnewnam@eos.ncsu.edu (MARK  NEWNAM) writes:


>Could someone tell me where I can find Winmod?  I cant seem to find it on 
>any of the local BBS's.  Thanks in advance.

>Mark Newnam


Here it is:
crossposting.
From alt.binaries.sounds.misc Tue Oct 13 02:30:31 1992
Newsgroups: alt.binaries.sounds.misc
From: ironside@little-jimmy.cs.unlv.edu (Shawn Talbert)
Subject: Re: PAS16 compatibility??
Reply-To: ironside@little-jimmy.cs.unlv.edu (Shawn Talbert)
Organization: UNLV Computer Science and Electrical Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 20:01:43 GMT

How about the ProAudioSpectrum? I am in the market for a sound card, and
just saw the regular proaudiospectrum in Dammark (I think) for like $129...
 Is it a good price? and a smart buy? What is/isn't it compatible with? 
I know that most all software is soundblaster compatible, but the SBPro 
has some nice features (like the CD-ROM interface) Anyay, the PAS has s SCSI
interface for CD-ROM (which means you can connect any SCSI CDROM drive, yes?)

 
I guess all in all, what graphics card gives you the most for your money? And 
how much money? :) 



Shawn..

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: xi@intacc.uucp (Tony Fong)
Subject: Re: Looking for a few good .MODs ...
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:44:55 GMT
Organization: Matrix Artists' Network
Keywords: MOD files

Is there a newsgroup that have MODS?  I don't have access to FTP sites, so
anything that is UUDECODED on newsgroups would be great!
 
Thanks.
 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: pinder2@newton.emba.uvm.edu (Justin Pinder)
Subject: Gravis ships to U.S. in one week : -)
Organization: University of Vermont, EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:39:00 GMT



I just placed an order for the Gravis ($124) via Telemart (CompUSA). They
promised to ship by October 15th, (with overnight delivery). I guess the
Ultrasound will be shipping to the U.S. by next week. :-)

--jp

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From: lauren@rand.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Opinions on Media Vision Spectrum 16?
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:24:19 GMT
Reply-To: lauren@rand.org
Organization: RAND

Greetings.  Can anyone offer opinions on the MV Spectrum 16 hardware
and software?  Regarding the latter, I'm particularly interested in the
flexibility of the basic cut/paste sound editor.  I assume it can
deal with long segments without requiring that they be loaded completely
into memory?  Is it suitable for laying down music and voiceover
tracks and ping-ponging between tracks for a layered output?
Thanks.

--Lauren--
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: mishizak@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Maki Ishizaki)
Subject: Re: INFO needed for Roland Scc-1 , CM-32L
Keywords: MT-32, LAPC-1, SCC-1
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:07:57 GMT


>casey@cs.mcgill.ca (Kallol DAS) writes:
> I really need some information on the SCC-1 and the CM-32L.  This is
> ...
> 
> Also - I plan to use my card for *mostly* games, (I already have a
> soundblaster for the DAC), so the card should ideally be able to emulate
> LAPC or MT-32.  I checked some games I had and the choice in
> installation for the sound card was the same for the LAPC,Mt-32 and
> CM-32L.  Does this mean that whenever there is a choice for LAPC I can
> automatically assume that it would work for the CM-32L?
>
> Any comments would be a godsend. BTW, the price for CM-32L & Midi card
> is ~ 100$ less than SCC-1.


I own an MT-32 with the MPU-IPC-T interface and I think it is *great*
for games. The MT-32 or LAPC-1 or compatibles are widely supported
now and the sound quality to SB is no comparison. 

My friend got an SCC-1 during this summer and he is glad that he got it.
Though he will be primarily be using it for DTM (desktop music), games
such as Clouds of Xeen already support the Roland GS or General MIDI
and when compared the music & SFX that came out from the game with 
my MT-32, the SCC-1 sounded better. I believe that it will be supported
in the future as well as the MT-32 family in games.

To make it short, I highly recommend you get an MT-32 even though I
don't necessarily consider it being cheap.

I've just got a GUS myself but get an MT-32 before you get one. :-)


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