HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dmb@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcons made in Iraq?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 00:46:08 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
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In article <93026.134610SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> <SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>... If this is true, then how do they get past the total trade embargo
>placed on Iraq by the United Nations?

Hey, that's "EE-RAHK" not "AYE-RACK"!  Saddam only gives people ONE
CHANCE to pronounce it correctly!

(Sorry, I couldn't resist.)

Dave Baggett
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From: ken@isgtec.com (Ken Newman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Canadian support was: Re: RFD: What to do with
Date: 22 Jan 93 03:59:16 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

In article <C12t3B.G0C@ecf.toronto.edu> alrashi@ecf.toronto.edu (AL RASHID SHAHIR) writes:
> ....
> and then buy Cubase or something for about another $200-$300?
> ....
> My set-up (4meg 1040Ste, 2 
> monitors AND sequencing software -Cubase & Notator) cost me .... about $1000)

Uh, there's something funny going on with the math, here! Last time I
checked, Cubase and Notator were respectively $595 and $695 Canadian.
Both would certainly be around your $1000 figure by themselves, without
the computer... :)

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ken@isgtec.com   [ ...!uunet.ca!isgtec!ken ]  Ken Newman
From: qsi@contrast.wlink.nl (Peter Kocourek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: ADVOCACY: RE: 386SX prices
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:59:10

01mbmccabe wrote in a message on 20 Jan 93 to All

> A side point to...the Falcon only has a 16 bit bus to the CPU, the DSP
gets > it's chunks on a 32-bit bus, and the Video system is primed to grab
memory > 64-bits at a time.  So it's not "just a 16-bit bus".

 0>  So what does this mean (theoretically) about the speed of 
 0> a Falcon 030 compared to the relative speed of of a Mac IIci 
 0> -- or whichever Mac was cited as bieing 'crippled' with a 16bit 
 0> bus like the Falcon 030? 

That's the LC and LC II. The video system in the Falcon gets its data in
32-bit chunks, not 64-bit (that's the TT). While video access is going on,
the CPU can't use the bus; but, in the LC and LC II, there is a separate
video RAM, which means that they don't suffer from waiting for the video
the finish with the bus. On the whole, I am afraid this tips the balance
slightly in favor of the Macs.


YHS:QSI!
 
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From: matthias@asl.uni-bielefeld.de (Matthias Ehrhard)
Subject: Ideas for programs: FAX 
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:50:31 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, ASL.

Not a long time ago someone asked for ideas for new programs. Here is one.
There is only one FAX-program avaible and that has to be changed.
If anyone feels smart enough to write such a program I would take it and I bet
I wouldn't be the only one.

bye 

		Matthias
From: IO20066@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Fantasy Games
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:05:28 GMT
 3Jan17010249@SunLab41.essex.ac.uk><JONT.93Jan20114907@ml.harlqn.co.uk>
 <74048@cup.portal.com> <JONT.93Jan25134034@ml.harlqn.co.uk>
 <74372@cup.portal.com>
Organization: University of Maine System

Speaking of fantasy games....does anyone remember the simplistic but
classic Rogue? My copy got eaten by a bad drive years ago and the game
is no longer made....has anyone got a copy they could part with?

Mike Woodsum
University of Maine
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Steve Wells)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: NSP
Date: 21 Jan 1993 20:51:45 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Could the person to whom I was talking with concerning 'No Second Prize'
please E-Mail me, as I have 1.  Lost your address, 2.  When I had it
the mail kept bouncing back to me!

Thanks!

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From: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: InterZONE Design
Subject: Re: .AU sound-file player/convertor?
Reply-To: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 14:36:44 EST

In <16B5D11F0E.C556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu>, Jeoff Hines writes:
>   I have seen a lot of these *.AU sound files on various sites, but when I
> ftp one, the sound quality is severly distorted.  As I understand it, this is
> a Sound Blaster file, which is used to digitize entire songs.
>   Is there anyone out there that knows of an ST player or convertor that
> can handle the .AU format?  I have a Replay 4 cartridge and an ST (not STe).
> I also have access to an IBM (with no sound card).
> Thanks for reading my plea for help....

I'm pretty sure .au is the format for Sun workstation sound files... 
Dave Baggett wrote a .au to .spl (Atari format) converter, and it's in
his digistuf.arc on atari.archive.umich.edu in Sound/Players.

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From: danny@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Danny Graham)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Help ! SPECTRE vs. Mac
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:38:02 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

Hello there,

I'm considering upgrading to an Apple Mac but I understand that there is a
plug in cartridge that will turn my ST into an Apple Mac.
My question is : How good is it ? How transparent to the user is it ?
Should I buy it or upgrade ?

Thankyou for your time (in advance),

Danny
From: CASTAN@cip.physik.uni-stuttgart.de (Gerd Castan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Cocktail recipe program for Atari ST?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 12:34:30 GMT
Organization: CIP-Pool Physics Dept, University of Stuttgart, FRG
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Try BAR from Roland Fricke. Very nice.

Gerd




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From: u0h36@keele.ac.uk (Adam Turnbull)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: floptical advice please!
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:22:34 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England
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John Hutchinson (hutch@bellman.lanl.gov) wrote:
: In article 7p2@gabriel.keele.ac.uk, u0h36@keele.ac.uk (Adam Turnbull) writes:
: >I'm thinking of getting a floptical drive, since I'm having an enormous
: >amount of difficulty getting a 40-50 meg hard drive. The ones I'm
: >looking at are the cheap(er) ones like you see in PC mags. How would I
: >go about hooking these up? Obviously I'll need something like the Link,
: >but will I need a case and PSU too?
: 
: Adam, why are you having difficulty obtaining a 40-50Mb hard drive?  If it's
: a cash-flow problem, I can understand that, but otherwise, they are readily
: available from a number of sources.  Just pick up a Computer Shopper mag.
: 
The problem I'm having is getting one from a UK source. After trying all
the companies advertising such drives in the ST magazines here, I was
greeted by them all with "sorry, we don't sell anything less than 80
meg", despite the fact the advertisments claim they do.

I'm trying to stick to a budget of #300 or less, and #150 would be taken
up by the kit without SCSI drive if I went that way. I don't really
fancy importing a drive (mostly because I can't take it back if it goes
wrong), and the prices of bare drives in this country is pretty
ridiculous.

I've only been considering flopticals because they are CHEAPER in this
country than hard drives, but I wasn't sure of their speed. Since I'll be
running gcc/mint/tcsh then speed is fairly important.

Adam
From: jpa@cs.bham.ac.uk (Jonathan P Alma)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Hunter - Is it any good?
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:16:10 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham,UK.

Can someone please post a 'review' (or just comment on) the game Hunter.
I am especially interested in how complex the game is (do you need to think about
strategies when playing or is it just a shoot'em up), and how long its appeal
lasts.

Thanks,

Jonathan. 

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The opinions expressed are my own and not those of Birmingham University
From: ant@galadriel.bt.co.uk (Antony Espindola)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Amiga Rules (Duh.)
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:01:33 GMT
Organization: Data and Business Comms, BT Labs, Martlesham, Ipswich, UK.

From article <1993Jan20.191424.13870@bsu-ucs>, by 01mbmccabe@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu:
>> All you Atari owners should dump 'em and buy an Amiga 1200 today.
>> 
>> Nick.
>> .
> All computers suck.  Everyone should dump them and invest in an abacus,
> slide-rule, and a shit-load of filing cabinets!
>
Yeah, like he says - go buy a A1200.


Antony.

Norwich Atari User Group.
Associations of Atari User Groups.
Dolphin Software.
Great Britain.
From: coonstot@quads.uchicago.edu (charles orville onstott)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Question : ___ M-ROS ___
Keywords: M-ROS
Date: 23 Jan 93 10:08:21 GMT
Reply-To: coonstot@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <743@vercors.frec.bull.fr> heritier@delta4.frec.bull.fr (Franck HERITIER) writes:
>Does someone know what is M-ROS for Atari ST ? What is the editor
>of this multitask system ? Can you evaluate it ?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Frank.

M-ROS is the multitasking environment developed by Steinburg-Jones
for use with their MIDI software.(Cubase, editor/librarians, etc.)
It also, I believe, allows communication between various 
components of Cubase itself and between Cubase an other programs
that would be running simultaneously. (Midi data exchange, triggering,
events, etc.) 

M-ROS works behind the scenes whenever you load any Steinburg-Jones
package.  IT has no editor as such.  In fact, if I am not mistaken,
Cubase itself needs M-ROS to function properly (independent of
their other packages.)  HOWEVER, M-ROS is a PART of the Cubase
package and is not a seperate load.

There is another package distributed with Cubase called
"Switcher" which allows you to load multiple programs 
and have them run simultanteously.  It is limited only
by resident RAM(no swapping capabilities that I know of--
though newer versions of Cubase have loadable modules
to aid memory crunches.)  This would be the closest
thing to an editor for M-ROS that I can imagine. Essentially
it's a menu screen that you call up using an alt-key combination.
You can also jump directly to other programs by using alt-#.

Switcher is primarily intended to be used with
Steinburg-Jones software though it will work with others.
(I have, for example, run Word Perfect simultaneously with
my Cubase without any trouble.)

BCnya,
  Charles O. Onstott, III

P.S. Even if you meant M-TOS, I thought this might clear some
things up for those who weren't sure what it was.

P.P.S.  If you're in to MIDI and don't have Cubase,
you're not really in to MIDI.  Rush out and buy it as soon
as you can-- it's phenomenal.  (Also, the only reason
why I keep my Atari.)
-- 
Charles O. Onstott, III                         (coonstot@midway.uchicago.edu)
Graduate Student in Religion and the Human Sciences
The University of Chicago Divinity School
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Subject: Re: ADVOCACY: Re: PC VS ST
From: rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins)
Date: 22 Jan 93 11:27:36 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <1jnch0INNigv@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu>, tbrown@cis.ohio-state.edu (ted croft brown) writes:
> In article <1993Jan19.143745.15153@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins) writes:
>>	I run System 7 on my PowerBook 100 (The one with a 16MHz 68000) and 
>>it runs just as well as my 1040ST does with TOS 1.4 under GEM. People who 
>>call System 7 a dog has never used it for a long period of time. (Whee, 
>>that oughta get everyone going!) One thing I've noticed is if you have the 
>>desktop at 16M colors, it does slow down a lot. (The mac that is, no matter 
>>what version of System it's running.)
>>
> 
> How much memory do you have in it anyway?  My Dad's Powerbook 100 2/20 was
> basically useless under Sys 7 due to no memory and enemic harddisk and he
> switched it back to Sys 6.  A shame because all the neat keyboard tricks in
> Sys 7 make it ideal for a Powerbook.

	Yea, It was basically useless with only 2 megs of ram, but with 4 
megs it has no problem running system 7. (Also, if you upgrade, I found it 
to be cheaper to mail-order the ram and then take it to your local 
authorized dealer to have it installed.)

> To my opinon, Sys 7 doesn't seem fast on *any* Mac.  I don't quite know what
> it is but the Mac just *seems* slower.  The only problem is that besides the
> frequent crashes under Sys 7 it's just so damn useful that you want to keep
> it.

	I found it to be too useful to stay with 6.0.8. (Which is what I 
used when I only had two megs of ram.)

Later.......

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From: craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: Equinox Networks (Public access), Node: Yonder
Subject: Re: Zillions of Questions(old post)
Reply-To: craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:20:48 +1200

In <1993Jan27.062318.12083@umr.edu>, S112397@UMRVMA.umr.edu writes:

>RAH Fast Copy III RAH RAH RAH, YAAAAAAAAAA!!!

Just don't get to cosy with FastCopy III, it is suppost to occasionally
 make a corrupt copy/backup. Just make sure you have safe copies of
 your disc before you go playing around with FastCopy III on it.

 Craig.

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From: qsi@contrast.wlink.nl (Peter Kocourek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: RE: Preliminary Falcon030 product list
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:02:15

Al Rashid Shahir wrote in a message on 19 Jan 93 to All

 ARS> The States is not Planet Earth. The Falcon was(and is) selling 
 ARS> in Germany, UK,  .... more or less in other parts of Europe.

Well, they're not selling any here (the Netherlands), and judging by what
I read in the German Fido echo, people can't get any there either at the
moment. There was one shipment before Christmas, but nothing since, AFAIK.

YHS:QSI!
 
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From: mjb@cs.nott.ac.uk (M J Brownlow)
Subject: Games I'll keep my atari for when I get a Falcon
Organization: Nottingham University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 15:49:32 GMT

>Before I go, a question: 'Will Sensible Soccer be available on the Falcon?'

Stunt car racer. (CHAOS??)
Need I go on?

Martin
From: mm68@unix.brighton.ac.uk (Lost Boy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Heat N Serve osbind.h typo
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:17:41 GMT
Organization: University of Brighton, UK

Just thought I would make a note for others that in (my) osbind.h header
from the Heat N Serve C Compiler v1.33i there is a typo error on the
#define for the Flopfmt command. One of the typecastings to long is actually
lonh! This gives an annoying undefined symbol error all the time when 
used.

Pretty simple error, but thought some people might like to know, and benefit
from my experience. Don't ever say I don't give to this group!

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From: scott@winnetou.santafe.edu (Scott D. Yelich)
Subject: Re: Falcons made in Iraq?
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 15:48:59 GMT
Organization: Santa Fe Institute

In article <93026.134610SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> <SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> One question to the people who have claimed the Falcon is being produced in
> Iraq:  If this is true, then how do they get past the total trade embargo
> placed on Iraq by the United Nations?
> Methinks they're not being made there...
> Scott

HAHAHAH!  Oh my...  This groups IS better than rec.humor ...

Scott
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From: davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
Subject: Re: Upgrading an ST-520
Reply-To: davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
Organization: Health Computer Sciences, U of MN, Mpls
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:12:37 GMT

In article <74053@cup.portal.com>, Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
>Funny though.. all the semantic games in the world won't change
>the fact that Atari Corp themselves say that the TT is the first
>Atari computer to be user-upgradable...

Funny thing though ... all the semantic games in the world won't change the
fact that Atari computers ARE user-upgradable, regardless of what the company
has "officially" stated.  Of course, they had some sort of upgradeability in
mind when they put that connecter into the Mega ST computer, regardless of
whether or not they believed that the "user" should open up the machine or an
"authorized service center" should perform such tasks.

-- DPZ
From: s914534@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (UT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: A1200 versus Falcon 030 once again (FAQ?)
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:12:40 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no (Joern Moe) writes:

>These days the atari and amiga people are arguing which computer have 
>the fastest cpu (Falcon 030 versus A1200). The 68030 have better performance 
>than a 68020 when placed in an equal arcitecture. Additionaly the A1200 runs
>at 14.4 Mhz, wheras the F030 runs at 16Mhz (i realy think its 16.01xxxMhz)
>giving it a extra 10% over the A1200. Summing it all up, my bet is that
>this is a dead race!

Shouldn't that be 16Mhz - 25% ?

Also the Falcon doesn't have the custom graphics chips that the 1200 has,
so its going to be slower still. Remember the ST 68000 was faster than the
the 68000 used in the Amiga - yet most Amiga games ran faster than their ST
counterparts - because everything had to be done by the CPU in the ST.

I can't see much changing - musicians will go for the Falcon, the general 
public will go the 1200. In Europe its the games that sell machines, and 
with its better graphics specifications, Atari marketing and the well known
Amiga name, the 1200 will wipe the floor with the Falcon (when/if it becomes
available).
From: woom@ludd.luth.se (johan.burman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Why Falcon
Keywords: Falcon
Date: 25 Jan 93 12:59:58 GMT
Distribution: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: Lule} Tekniska H|gskolas Datorf|rening - Ludd

Why buy a falcon seems to be the hot question nowadays...

My reason will undoubtly be the soundspecs. Too bad CBM didn't include better
sounds in the A1200...

Anyway, do anybody out there have any serious info on when atari will release
the machine? I'm getting a bit bored waiting for it (dreaming?)...

      /Da Wooom
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From: Who... Me? <dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: GDOS problem
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 01:22:15 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Is there any way to use GDOS or G+Plus on a larger-than-standard monitor? 
I've never had any luck trying to do this :-(, the regular old ST 640*400 
screen just shows up in the corner of the larger monitor. Very annoying. Oh, 
for reference, this is with that wonderful piece of junk called the ISAC card. 
(Don't buy one...)
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From: Frank.Moehle@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Frank Moehle)
Subject: Re: .AU sound-file player/convertor?
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:20:00 GMT

C556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Jeoff Hines) writes:

>  I have seen a lot of these *.AU sound files on various sites, but when I
>ftp one, the sound quality is severly distorted.  As I understand it, this is
>a Sound Blaster file, which is used to digitize entire songs.
In fact, you're totally wrong. .AU means a-law or u-law format, which is
a kind of logarithmically downscaling 12 bit to 8 bit. .AU is very common
on SUN SPARC stations and some other big machines.

>  Is there anyone out there that knows of an ST player or convertor that
>can handle the .AU format?
a) Have a look at atari.archive.umich.edu, in atari/sounds or one of it`s
   subdirectories. As far as i know, they have a convertor from .au to .snd .
   (very noisy, though). It may be a part of the "digistuf" package.

get sox5beta.tar.Z from "ftp.cwi.nl" , compile it on your favourite
unix host or use the atari version of GCC and it`s utilities.
SOX can convert between almost any sound format, including sone very common
formats from DOS, UNIX, PC and MAC, and does a very accurate job.

Hope this helps

Frank
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