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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:34:08 PDT
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From:         Rusty Dodson <dodson@TOAST.NCGIA.UCSB.EDU>
Subject:      scatterplot program for Arc/Info
X-To:         GIS-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.EDU

Some time ago I remember hearing of someone who wrote a routine
(in AML and FORTRAN) which allowed an Arc/Info user to display a
scatterplot of any two items (variables) in a coverage.  (Briefly,
a fortran program extracted the desired variables from INFO and these
were passed to an AML which displayed the scatterplot points using
conventional ARCPLOT commands.)

Does this ring any bells?  I am extremely interested in obtaining a copy
of this module if possible.

Or is such a function available in ARC6.0?

Thanks for any information:

             ___________________________________________________
             Rusty Dodson            dodson@toast.ncgia.ucsb.edu
             NCGIA--Santa Barbara    dodson@voodoo.bitnet
             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: wwedel@uswest.com (Wally Wedel)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: DEM merging & creating subsets
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:57:38 GMT
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

In article <9204161212.AA12637@resdgw6.er.usgs.gov> 
kclarke@RESDGW6.ER.USGS.GOV (Keith Clarke) writes:
> Once again, the need for the Spatial Data Transfer Standards has been 
made
> obvious. These standards, now extremely close to becoming a FIPS (Federal
> Information Processing Standard), will revolutionize the way GISers do
> business. For perhaps the first time, the transfer of data from system to
> system should go smoothly. I suggest that instead of bugging ESRI about
> their proprietary file structures, ask them when their module will be
> ready to read and write data in SDTS format. These formats will be free 
and
> open to all.

Will these formats be available online to the Internet? It would sure be 
nice to see FIPS generally available this way.


Wally Wedel
U S WEST Advanced Technologies
4001 Discovery Drive, Suite 390
Boulder, CO 80303
Internet: wwedel@uswest.com  AppleLink: D5100   Voice: 303-541-6052
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:50:10 EDT
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From:         Alex Barker <USERLJPD@UMICHUM.BITNET>
Subject:      Pattern recognition for scanned images?

Greetings-
A colleague is interested in scanning photographs of decorated bronzes
and using an automated or semi-automated system to identify and record
the decorations present (usually scrolls or lines of punches, etc.).  At one
level it seems similar to optical character recognition problems, but as
I'm not familiar with any means of accomplishing this off the top of
MY head, I thought I'd pass it along to the list.  Do pattern recognition
systems currently exist that could be applied to this problem?

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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:56:00 EDT
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From:         PLF@NCCIBM1.BITNET
Subject:      GIS Sotware

HI:

I hear mention often MAPINFO.  I have not seen results of nor
demonstrations of this software.  Could someone please tel me
who to contact to receive info on MAPINFO.

Thank You

--Jerry Pitt   PLF@NCCIBM1
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:44:52 -0400
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From:         "Timothy Mcgrath" <TMCGRATH@QVARSA.ER.USGS.GOV>
Subject:      re:USGS datum use in
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re: USGS datum use in digital files

Jerry Davis asks:

>I (and no doubt others) need to know what horizontal datum is used in USGS DLG
>and DEM files when it is NOT documented in the header information.
>I've been assuming that if not documented, they are NAD-27.  Does anyone out
>there know otherwise, or could concur?

According to a friend in the National Mapping Division, all USGS DLG and
DEM data that are available for general distribution are NAD-27.  The few
NAD-83 revisions have generally not been released while NMD decides what to do
about the non-trivial problem of mixed datum digital products.

This is not an "official" response.

Tim McGrath, Geographer, USGS-WRD, Lincoln NE
From: lgzpmm@vax.nott.ac.uk (Paul Mather)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: UK Geographical Information Handling Programme
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:11:04 GMT
Reply-To: lgzpmm@vax.nott.ac.uk (Paul Mather)
Organization: University of Nottingham, UK

On 14 April I posted an announcement re. the end of programme conference
which stated 'the programme comes to an end in '92 and on FEBRUARY 4/5 an
end-of-programme conference is to be held.'

I should have made it clear that I meant FEBRUARY 1993 to avoid giving the
impression either (i) that the posted message was out of date and the
conference had already taken place, or (ii) that I had invented a time
machine. If only ....!

Inquiries about the conference to Prof. P.M. Mather, Geography Department,
The University, Nottingham NG7 2RD, UK. 

Paul Mather

Prof. Paul M. Mather
Dept of Geography
The University
Nottingham  NG7 2RD
UK

JANET: mather@uk.ac.nott.vax
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 07:12:22 PST
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From:         Jim Case <JCASE@UCDCVDLS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: GIS Software
              9 Apr 1992 02:21:34 GMT from <dmarble@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

On Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:21:34 GMT Duane F Marble said:
>The version of MapInfo I am running, 5.1, does not have any overlay
>capability.
>--
>Duane F. Marble
>Department of Geography                Telephone: (614) 292-2250
>The Ohio State University
>Columbus, Ohio 43210                   Fax: (614) 292-6213

You may want to look into the windows version...

Jim Case, CVDLS
jcase@ucdcvdls.bitnet
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 08:53:22 MET
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From:         Sincak <KUKO@CSPUNI12.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Image Processing Newsgroup
              10 Apr 1992 21:56:25 GMT from <sbarrkum@LIBWS1.IC.SUNYSB.EDU>

Hello,

my name is Peter Sincak. Up to now there is IMAGRS-L at CSEARN.BITNET
a ordinary BITNET LIst and up to now there is aprx. 170 people on
the list. I admit I am a little bit sorry about activity and really an
interest of the list - it seems to be rather like a sleeping list.
As far as I know the list is accesable from INternet.

To the topic of the list : formally it was dedicated to various methods
of image processing considering sattelite or other type of image data.

I like a owner of the list would highly appreciate if anybody of collegues
who relly work intesively in image processing would be co-owners in the
way of topic mantainance. Certainly if there are any other suggestions
to remove a list to other computer I agree - if it helps to increase
the list activity.

Ready for more discussion to above topic.


Peter Sincak KUKO@CSPUNI12.BITNET
From: aurpir@bart.inescn.pt (Aurelio Pires)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: International Journal of GIS
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:30:44 GMT
Organization: INESC-Porto, Portugal

Could anyone tell me where can I obtain the 

  " International Journal of Geographical Information System "


 Thanks in advance.



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From: tim@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Tim Telcik)
Subject: JPL/NASA Vehicle Navigation
Keywords: JPL, NASA, SHORTEST PATH, VEHICLE NAVIGATION
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 11:17:39 GMT

Does anyone have (or know where to obtain) Email addresses for researchers at
JPL (Jet Propulsion Laboratory), or NASA, who have (or are) working on
vehicle navigation and shortest path planning across a digital terrain
model ? Or mailing address for postmasters at these sites ?

Failing that, can anybody suggest a good starting point for such
literature.

If possible, please mail me directly.

Tim Telcik
School of Computing Science
Curtin University
GPO Box U 1987
Perth  W.A.  6001
Email: tim@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au
From: N290040@UNIVSCVM.BITNET (Dan Wagner)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: More on "What is a GIS?"
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:47:39 GMT
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              8 Apr 1992 17:55:24 PDT from
              <esri!ufo!armando%UUNET.UU.NET@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu>

I believe a distiction between 'geographic(al)' data and spatial data is
warranted.  In my mind, 'geographic(al)' data implies the scales of interest
in human activity.  Thus, a GIS is not a system for handling microscopic
spatial data, nor is it a system for handling astronomical spatial data.

Inclusion of time is a difficult point.  Many of us have no problem
accepting the idea of a time-space continuum, but in reality, our analyses
do not treat time in the same way as space, and our systems certainly do
not.

Dan Wagner
University of South Carolina
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
From: dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Duane F Marble)
Subject: IJGIS
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:57:03 GMT

The International Journal of Geographic Information Systems (IJGIS)
is published by Taylor & Francis. It appears (starting this year) six
times a year and subscriptions are U.S. $250 (institutional) and U.S.
$ 120 (personal). There is no student rate. Subscriptions and further
information from:

United States:  Taylor & Francis
                1900 Frost Road, Suite 101
                Bristol, PA 19007-1598

Elsewhere:      Taylor & Francis
                Rankine Road
                Basingstoke, Hants. RG24 0PR
                United Kingdom

Taylor & Francis also publishes several books on GIS.
-- 
Duane F. Marble
Department of Geography                Telephone: (614) 292-2250
The Ohio State University
Columbus, Ohio 43210                   Fax: (614) 292-6213
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 10:26:00 EST
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From:         ACS_JAMES@JMUVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      DEM merging & creating subsets

Does anyone know if there are some public domain programs or source
code for merging DEM datasets and/or creating subsets?  I want to end
up with the data in PC-ARC/INFO's TIN module(ESRI Canada), but I do
have access to some other programs and platforms.  What about any
commercial programs?

Thanks for any help you can give.

James W. Wilson, Manager        Internet  acs_james@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
Media Technology Lab            Bitnet    acs_james@jmuvax
James Madison University
From: DH08@DKAUNI2.BITNET (GIZ Karlsruhe)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: SAS/GIS?
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:09:34 GMT
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It's not true that you can't do cartography with SAS however it is
not the easiest way! ... using annotate-datasets, proc greplay and
integrating proc gplot/gchart. And you must work on a mainframe.
But it is possible to produce both: topographic and thematic maps.
... and using all possibilities with SAS it should be possible to
build up a SAS-GIS (I think).
Just for a quick and easy solution of a mapping problem I would
not use SAS.
Schwarz-v.Raumer
GIZ-Karlsruhe
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:13:21 HOE
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From:         Rafael Sanchez SCUAM <GISMAIL@VM1.SDI.UAM.ES>
Subject:      Asking about digitizing software

Hello every body.
We are looking for some help in order to find a good digitizing software.
I think the ideal one it would be one with CAD utilities and the posibility
to assing identifiers to the diferent features. Our purpose is to put them
into a GIS application.
We think your experience will be very useful for us.
Thank you very much. Hasta luego compadres SIG.

Servicio de Cartografia y Cartoteca       Voice: +34 1 397 4580
Facultad de Filosofia
Ciudad Universitaria de Cantoblanco       Fax:   +34 1 397 8599
28049 MADRID.
SPAIN
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 12:49:13 EST
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From:         Chris Skelly <chris@MQATMOS.CIC.MQ.EDU.AU>
Subject:      signing off from OZ...
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I'm having a problem switching over to using USENET instead of
email to follow GIS-L.  When I try to signoff, I get the
following "help" from the listserver...

>No entry  for your  chris@MQATMOS.CIC.MQ.EDU.AU address could  be found  in the
>GIS-L list at UBVM.  Here are a number of possible reasons  why you might still
>be getting mail from the list:
>1. If you are a BITNET user, you might be subscribed under an "alias" host name
>for  which no  translation has  been registered  in the  BITNET nodes  database
>(':internet.' tag in  BITEARN NODES). For instance,  'NEUVM1' and 'VM.UNI-C.DK'
>are the same machine, but unless that fact has been registered it is impossible
>for   LISTSERV   to  know   that   'user@NEUVM1'   is   the  same   person   as
>'user@VM.UNI-C.DK'. If you suspect this might  be the case, resend your request
>via both e-mail and TELL/SEND.

>[stuff deleted]

Now I've tried to sign off from all 3 of our sun workstations, as I'm not
sure which one I was using at the time I signed on...but this doesn't seem
to matter.  However, the above advice might reflect our "domain" (?) name
changes down here, although I don't know if we went from bitnet to
internet...

we were		name@mqatmos.mqcc.mq.oz.au  (I think!)
we are now	name@mqatmos.cic.mq.edu.au

Is anyone in downhere having the same problem?  Anyone have
any suggestions (be nice :-)?

cheers,
chris
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:06:52 PDT
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From:         Armando Guevara <esri!ufo!armando@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      Revisions in software

> ....Anyone claiming to be an industry leader should be publishing
>     version 1.0 of smart new products, not petrified upgrades of
>     eight-year-old stuff...

>     Darius

QUESTION:
 If you were looking for a consultant to help you solve "Problem X"
 would you hire a guy with 1.0 years experience vs. 8.0 years?

REVISIONS:
 Revisions in software depict (or should depict) a step toward better,
 more state of the art software. When an integer change is made, it
 reflects major improvements and or breakthroughs. A fractional change
 is about bug fixes and some enhancements. In a brief example, some
 pieces of history:

 Revision 1: Generic spatial processors
          2: Introduction of robust overlay processors (topology)
          3: Integrated vector and surface tools and data base
          4: Spatial Macro language
          5: Integrated raster processing (addition to vector and surfaces)
          6: Dynamic segmentation, Object Oriented GUI, logically
             seamless data base, federated database communication, etc.
           :
           :

and so forth....




+J. Armando Guevara    Environmental Systems Research Institute  _|_|
 aguevara@esri.com     380 New York St.                          _|_|
                       Redlands, CA 92373   Fax  (714) 793-5953
                       USA                  Tel. (714) 793-2853 Ext.1208
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From: gairns@nova.ccrs.emr.ca (Jamie Gairns)
Subject: Re: Revisions in software
Organization: Canada Centre for Remote Sensing, Ottawa
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:25:48 GMT

In article <9204082206.AA06687@ufo.universe> esri!ufo!armando@UUNET.UU.NET (Armando Guevara) writes:
>> ....Anyone claiming to be an industry leader should be publishing
>QUESTION:
> If you were looking for a consultant to help you solve "Problem X"
> would you hire a guy with 1.0 years experience vs. 8.0 years?
>
   I think the issue here is one of maturity versus innovation.  There are
BOTH strengths *AND* weaknesses to *EACH* approach.  One is NOT NECESSARILY
better than the other, but I see your concern.

Jamie Gairns
Canada Centre for Remote Sensing
gairns@ccrs.emr.ca
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 11:22:31 PDT
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From:         Armando Guevara <esri!ufo!armando@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      Re: Revisions in software :-)

More on "What is a GIS" and revisions...

----- Begin Included Message -----

Personally, I agree with Darius and don't agree with you...
..The number of years that a product has existed has very little to do
with its overall level of quality; if this were true then IBM PC clones
and DOS would define the cutting edge of computer technology.

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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 08:57:14 -0500
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From:         "Lawrence T. LeMay" <lemay@CS.UMN.EDU>
Subject: Re: Unsubscribing
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Same here. only i tried a SIGNOFF command....I'm reading this list via
net news, so i'd appreciate it if someone could remove me from the mailing
list...

 -Lawrence LeMay
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 11:10:03 PST
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From:         Jim Case <JCASE@UCDCVDLS.BITNET>
Subject: Re: GIS Software

On Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:50:00 EDT <PLF@NCCIBM1> said:
>Hi:
>
>I often hear mention of MAPINFO although I have never seen results
>or demonstration of it.  Could some one tell me who to contact
>in order to receive more information on this sostware.
>
>Thank You
>
>--Jerry Pitt     BITNET: PLF@NCCIBM1
You can contact MapInfo Corp:
200 Broadway
Troy, NY 12180
(518) 274-8673


Jinm Case, CVDLS
jcase@ucdcvdls.bitnet
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From: dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Duane F Marble)
Subject: Re: GIS Software
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:21:34 GMT

The version of MapInfo I am running, 5.1, does not have any overlay
capability.
-- 
Duane F. Marble
Department of Geography                Telephone: (614) 292-2250
The Ohio State University
Columbus, Ohio 43210                   Fax: (614) 292-6213
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 08:51:00 EDT
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From:         E7G4HEM@TOWSONVX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: 3D GIS Reference

We usually only get about 50% of all papers presented printed in
the proceedings -- many people just don't prepare them.  So, you
may well have heard the paper and yet it never was in the proceedings.
I'll do a little digging here and let you know if I find anything.

Don Hemenway, ASPRS
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:49:54 -0400
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From:         "Craig M. Kanarick" <kanarick@MEDIA-LAB.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      Unsubscribing
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Could someone please remove me from this list.  I tried sending an "unsub"
message to the listserver and it didn't work.

Thanks,

-- cmk
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From: dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Duane F Marble)
Subject: Re: Rob Levrant's Statement of Correction
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:59:51 GMT

I have never had any dealings with the company in question. Given their
attitude I am likely to actively avoid them! Don't these folks have a
marketing staff who can tell them just how much they are hurting themselves
by this stuff?
-- 
Duane F. Marble
Department of Geography                Telephone: (614) 292-2250
The Ohio State University
Columbus, Ohio 43210                   Fax: (614) 292-6213
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:20:00 GMT
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From:         Darius Bartlett <STGG8004@IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE>
Subject:      New GIS...

Dear Folks,

As we all know, ESRI are currently shipping Version 6.0 of ARC/INFO.
IDRISI are up to Version 4 of their system. Tydac have reached Version 5.1
of their SPANS system. GIMMS is on Version 4 (at least?). ERDAS are now up
to Version 7.5 of their GIS and image processing systems...

In the April 1992 issue of PC Magazine (p.29), Jerry Sanders wrote (and
reproduced here without permission):

"...we're up to version 5.5 (of Microsoft Word). Given such perserverence,
I'm sure Microsoft will get it right one day. We're also on Windows
3.1, Lotus 1-2-3 release 3.2, Paradox 3.5, dBASE IV+ .... Anyone claiming
to be an industry leader should be publishing version 1.0 of smart new
products, not prettified upgrades of eight-year-old stuff. I can still use
the original WordStar, 1-2-3 and dBASE for 80 per cent of my work, and so can
you. Most so-called new products are bug-fixes, with the occasional new
feature painted in as camouflage."

I guess you can all see the question coming :-)  ... How relevant do y'all
think these comments may or may not be to the currently-available GIS
products? In the mean time, perhaps we should be dusting off the old SYMAP
manuals again?

Out of interest, are ESRI and the other vendors ever willing to sell off "old"
versions of the software and manuals, etc., cheaper? And how long after a
version is superceded may one normally and reasonably expect support before
you are "expected" to buy the upgrades?

Darius
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