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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:44:57 EST
From: Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Things you do to save time

In article <cindy.226@berkp.uadv.uci.edu>, cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy
Windham) says:
>
>I'm sure that for most of us, the time we spend with our children is
>very precious, and we'd love to have more of it.  If you've found a
>way to shave a couple minutes off of a routine task, please share it
>with us.  Thanks in advance!
>

Well, we do a few things that don't always save time, but make things a
little smoother.  Doug resents any evening moment that does not center
around him.  I've found it's a lot easier to let him help me wash the
dishes than to try and keep him out of the way.  He stands on a chair
next to the sink and puts the silverware in the drawer and hands me
dishes to put in the cupboards.  He really loves "to help" and though it
may take a little longer, it means a few minutes we spend together.

I usually try to get at least part of his dinner ready in the morning.
He is starving when we get home and can barely get out of his coat before
eating.  We cut up some fruit/veggies and some cheese, put them on a
covered plate and just pop him in the chair when we get home, gives us
time to warm up/make "real" dinner.

I will be interested to hear other "time savers", too.

Chris Himes
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Hot water too hot
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:39:12 GMT
Organization: nope

In article <1993Jan25.233128.26153@tellab5.tellabs.com> chrz@tellabs.com (Peter Chrzanowski) writes:
>
>Now for REALLY hot water, I can still remember the dishwasher job I
>had when in college.  New York State said that water had to be 180F!

Would you want to eat in a restaurant which limited it's water
temp to 120F so that the dishwashers would not risk scalds?




-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mmeyer@m2.dseg.ti.com (Mark Meyer)
Subject: Re: Potheads of the 70's Raising Kids
Organization: TI DSEG, Spring Creek, Plano, Tx.
	<1993Jan22.222144.14377@umiami.ir.miami.edu>
	<1993Jan24.022041.7450@crd.ge.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:10:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.022041.7450@crd.ge.com> kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover) writes:
> Pick any random 5 people reading this newsgroup, and disconnect them
> from netnews; see what kind of behavior changes you get...

	No!  NO!  NOOOOOOOOOO!  :-)

-- 
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Texas Instruments, Inc.,  Plano TX                       +--------------------+
Every day, Jerry Junkins is grateful that I don't speak for TI.
                                                  "Chaos - is - not - helpful!"
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Subject: Re: Good Dog Carl ( Was: ! ! ! STOLEN  BABIES  ! ! !)
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:38:30 GMT


We enjoy the original "Good Dog, Carl!" and treat it as pure
fantasy.  It has a fell of originating by someone asking a
group of preschoolers what they would do if, for pretend,
they were left home alone.   And the preschoolers kept coming
up with more and more mischievous and preposterous activities.

First, Baby and Carl jump up and down on Mama's bed.  Then they
climb on her dresser and play with her toiletries and dress up
in them.  Then Baby goes down the laundry chute (Dangerous --
lucky there's a big pile of laundry to land on!) to the basement.
Carl puts on some music and dances, while Baby watches.  Baby
goes for a swim in the aquarium, as Carl hold him up (Dangerous!
Could drown!).  They raid the refrigerator, pulling out cream
and cookies and chocolate syrup (What a mess!).  Then Carl
gives Baby a bath, and blows him dry with the blow-dryer.
Back to bed for baby, while Carl straightens up the rumpled
bed, the messy dresser, and cleans up the mess on the kitchen
floor. (Good dog, cleaning up!)

Wiyh no words in the book (except very start and very end),
we page through the book, describing the story to our
toddler Kurt at our own rate.  And adding our own editorial
comments on our opinions of what the characters are doing.

And sometimes Kurt "reads" the book himself, murmering "uh-oh!"
at the appropriate parts.

It's a cute book.
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich
From: pmgt1425@altair.selu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: School Systems
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:52:18 -0600
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University

Would someone please give me information (or personal experience)
concerning school systems in Spokane, WA, and Tulsa, OK.  I may have
to relocate to one of these two cities.  I have two children, age
8 and 10, and their education is my major concern.  They are 
wonderful kids (listen to me brag).  They both play violin, read well
and work hard on some geometry and algebra.  Being talented sometimes
seems to be a handicap.

I appreciate any input from y'all.

Pete
From: tjt@dogfish.oki.com (Tom Teixeira)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Help conceiving TWINS
Date: 26 Jan 1993 02:06:08 GMT
Organization: Oki Advanced Products Division
Distribution: world
Reply-To: tjt@oki.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: dogfish.oki.com

In article <1jhlm2INN3nl@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, valjorge@leapyear.EBay.Sun.COM (Valerie Jorge) writes:
|> I just had my first child 8 months ago, and kept quite busy
|> with one - I couldn't even IMAGINE having twins!

[stuff deleted]

|> So why do you want to have twins?
|>
|> Valerie

I missed the start of this thread, and I'd have to ask the same question, but from the
perspective as the father of (almost) 2 year old twins. On the positive side, we have 3
older children (no, we're not Catholic, but accidents happen and our choice was to have
the baby -- you should make your own choice), and having twins certainly keeps them from
being "just another baby". They can be lots of fun, and always attract attention when we
have the strength and determination to go out.

On the negative side, it was (and is) lots of work (easy for me to say, but my wife was
basically exhausted for the first 12-15 months), and two toddlers can get into ten times
as much mischief as one.
-- 
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508-460-8653 (Voice)	100 Nickerson Road
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From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to deal with kids when they lie
Date: 28 Jan 1993 19:51:42 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, mbernar@erenj.com (Marcelino Bernardo) says:

>I bragged to my wife about this great community: the misc.kids newsgroup. 
>And now, she has asked me for help.
>
>One of her sisters (she has a lot) is having problems with her oldest son
>who is 7 years old.  She has caught him lying a few times, usually in
>instances where he did something wrong and denies it (I've already pointed
>out to my wife that this would make him a good politician :-) ).  I was
>hoping to get some recommendations for a book or maybe a stimulating
>discussion on how to handle this situation.  I've already looked at the faq
>list for this newsgroup and I didn't find one that seems to apply here.

     I think that around this age, kids still have a tendency to lie not
because they mean to hide it, but because they're ashamed, and wish what they
were saying were true.  If this is the case, then he should just receive a
lot of reassurance that while *what he did* was wrong, he is still loved, and
doing something bad doesn't make him a bad boy. (Labeling - isn't that
another thread? :-)  Depending on the sensitivity of the child, it could take
a while for such comforting to sink in; that's the way my mom dealt with me
all the time, and yet I still felt ashamed to admit bad things at this age.
I just managed to explain a bad situation in the best possible light, which
may account for why I grew up to become a law student. :-)
     It is also possible that he lies because he can get away with it;
perhaps a harsher punishment is in order if he lies and you have found out
for certain - i.e.: t.v. privileges revoked for a couple days.  Conversely,
what I would do is lessen it if he came and told me the truth in this spot
*and seemed genuinely sorry.* (5 minutes in his room instead of 10, for
instance.) EIther way, make sure he understands *why* lying is wrong -
innocent people get hurt, etc. - and that it's good to tell the truth. (Hence
the reduced punishment if your sister-in-law hears it from him & not from a
teacher or another parent.)
     I don't know of any books, but there was a Puff the Magic Dragon TV
special called "The Land of the Living Lie" when I was a kid - I don't know
if that's in book form, or if it's available on tape.  This was 15 years ago,
when I was that age.  Also, if he likes to make up stories, have him tell the
bedtime stories or something like that; that will encourage him to use this
"skill" is a constructive way.
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu  : Me, age 4 & now: "Mommys and Daddys & other
    Ever wonder if, after Casey : relatives have to give lots of hugs & love
missed the 3rd strike in the poem: & support, 'cause Heaven is just a great
he ran to first and made it?     : big hug that lasts forever and ever!!!"
From: f_markwort@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: 17-mo. old with only 6 teeth
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:53:51 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

My 17-month old daughter still has only six teeth--on top two central and two
lateral incisors, on bottom two central incisors. I know she is way overdue
in getting more teeth. I'm missing some adult teeth myself (just didn't have
them) and I'm worried that she won't ever get more teeth. Any dentists out
there?

--Mary
mother of Alix Marie
c/o f_markwort@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Potheads of the 70's Raising Kids
Date: 23 Jan 93 21:59:49 GMT
Organization: nope

In article <22JAN199314235643@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> prmader@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (MICHELLE MADER) writes:
...
>
>I am acquainted with many people in their 30's & 40's who use pot.
>They have little or no drive and initiative.  When I saw the recent
>TV commercial where two grown men are smoking (pot) at home, mom comes
>home and asks if they've looked for a job, and they state as they're
>frantically fanning smoke out the window, "I've been smoking for
>years and nothings ever happened to me!" I could have sworn they'd
>interviewed some of the people I know.

Doesn't sound any different from those who use alcohol.

As near as I can tell, beer and marijuana are equivalent.  Except
that most of the potheads I know are horrified at the idea of
driving or operating power equipment under the influence.

Reactions to alcohol and THC vary with the individual user.  But
I've never found someone who became aggressive from THC, even
those who combined their use with caffiene or other forms of
stimulants.

I know a man who tried cocaine a couple of times.  He said it was
the only thing that took the pain out of his knees without
dulling his senses.  Such freedom could certainly result in
heightened productivity, creative or otherwise.  This person has
never acheived the finances necessary to keep him in supply, so
he limps along with things like salicylates, acetaminophen and
such.

Drugs?  Of course he does drugs.  If he didn't, he'd be on the
welfare rolls.







-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Subject: Re: Why *don't* we tell? (was Home alone, not a good story)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:21:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.164812.12248@afterlife.ncsc.mil> adculha@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Andrew Culhane) writes:
>In article <1jh6q7INN9qq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cn262@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cindy Carpenter) writes:
>>
>> ... and people who claim that
>>they have been harrassed must be assumed to be telling the truth first,
>>then have their claims investigated, rather than assumed to be lying first.
>
>No, absolutely not!  It is fundamental to our legal system, and an absolute
>requirement to avoid witch hunts, that the accused be presumed innocent
>until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.  By way of example, there

Accused persons are not presumed innocent until proven guilty. That only
happens when they are tried. People are routinely jailed, have their assets
frozen, required to pay legal fees, etc. long before they come to trial.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: steve@crc.ricoh.COM (Stephen R. Savitzky)
Subject: Re: Potheads of the 70's Raising Kids
Organization: RICOH California Research Center
	<kfLjnx200WBMM2gPxS@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:10:36

In article <kfLjnx200WBMM2gPxS@andrew.cmu.edu> jm5p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Judi Mancuso) writes:

   sometimes my
   son's behavior while these people are smoking is terrible--"you are
   taking drugs", "cigarettes will kill you", "you are killing me"--while
   none of these are wrong (except the one about cigarettes being
   drugs)

That's right, too -- nicotine is more addictive than heroin, and worse
for your health.  I'm trying to teach my kids that some drugs that are
good for you, and some that are bad (and that even the good ones are
good only if you need them -- I don't want them gulping a bottle of
aspirin any more than I want them hooked on something illegal).
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: Re: Learning Sign Language
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:20:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.182541.21825@voodoo.ca.boeing.com> howie@yo.ca.boeing.com (howie) writes:
>Our two girls have memorized the sign language alphabet from a library book 
>and are interested in learning more.

Wonderful!  The more people who know sign language, in my opinion the
better.  Many word signs are made using the sign for the first letter of
the word with another gesture, so learning the manual alphabet is a
great place to start!  Learning the numbers from 1-10 would be a good
second step.  Then they can learn signs for days of the week, months,
and simple noun words like boy, girl, man, woman; then how to vary
them to make sister, cousin, grandfather, etc.
>
>Is there a standard vocabulary of signs for words?

American Sign Language is most commonly used in the USA.  A good bookstore
or library should have a section, and there are a few very good books
geared toward hearing children who want to sign.  There are also some
rather comprehensive books available for adults. 
>
>Anybody know of good sources for teaching kids (ages 8 and 10) this sort
>of thing?

It's best to learn signs from another person so you can see the
movements instead of a flat drawing.  Some colleges and YMCAs offer evening
or summer courses for all ages.

Good luck!  I got interested in signing when my own hearing started to
deteriorate but it won't be completely gone for awhile yet.
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Newsgroups: misc.kids

My son is 3.5 yrs old and is a dedicated thumb sucker too.  In his recent
dentist visit the dentist told him he needed to stop sucking his thumb
because he is pulling his front teeth foward.  The dentist said that things
will realign when he loses his baby teeth, but if he is still sucking his
thumb when he gets his permenant teeth, he will pull those teeth out of
alignment.  So he wants Michael to start working on stopping now, so that
he is stopped by the time it really matters. The dentist suggested speaking 
about quitting matter of factly, explaining why and remind him, but do not 
put any values on it.  (ie Michael is not "bad" for sucking his thumb, do not 
get upset about it)
Michael sucks his thumb alot; whenever he has his blanket which he likes to
have whenever he reads or watches TV or is upset and he sucks his thumb to
go to sleep and often has his thumb in his mouth much of the night.

At this point I am taking a low key approach, just every once and a while
reminding him that the dentist said he needed to stop sucking his thumb.
However, I think it will be quite awhile before he is ready to stop.  I
just hope it is before he gets his permenant teeth.

Karen Helt
karen@hpisla.lvld.hp.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: Re: Help! - comforting bitee...
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:43:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.171151.29044@clpd.kodak.com> staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507)) writes:
>Over the last few months my 22-month old son has been bitten several
>times at his daycare/preschool.
 
>This morning I discussed it with his teacher, and she expressed some
>frustration over the biter.  Apparently they have not had much success with
>the several methods of dealing with it that they have tried, and have not
>gotten much support from his parents.
>
>	Does anyone have suggestions on how we should be handling this
>	with our son (other than what we are already telling him)?
>	Should we be saying anything specific to the school, or doing
>	anything that would help?

Back in our Kinder-Care era, my son was bitten by another child hard
enough to draw blood!  It's common "I know I read it somewhere but I forgot
the source" knowledge that a human bite can be very, very dangerous
because it's so germy.  (My-brother-the-vet claims that his family doctor
was less concerned with a dog-bite than was with a daughter-bite.)

Anyway, when my son's hand got infected and had to be treated,  I told the
school that I insist they separate my child from the flesh-eater.  It's
the school's responsibility to control the children's behavior when they
are there, and children who hurt other children should not be put back
in with them until the behavior has been dealt with.  If the child's
parents will not cooperate, that shouldn't be YOUR problem.  It's between
the center and the kid's parents.

Good luck.  I know how frustrating that can be.  A few months after this
episode, MY child decided to start chomping on kids!
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From: mary@anasazi.com (Mary Curtis)
Subject: Re: What we did and what we want them to do <was Re: Potheads>
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Arizona USA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:14:29 GMT


Carol asks what other parents of teens did to keep their children from
riding with intoxicated or otherwise dangerous drivers.  Here's what
my folks did -

They gave me the car.  I drove my friends everywhere.  But, I knew
that if I was ever caught with the slightest hint of alcohol on my 
breath not only would I never drive the car again, I would not be let
out of the house except for school again.

I'm serious, I knew they were serious, not a single doubt.  Before
the term designated driver was popular, that's what I was.  I didn't
even taste alcohol at parties.  I helped a lot of drunk/sick friends
out in those days and thought boy, this sure is "fun" puking all over
the place, feeling dizzy, passing out.

I had a steady boyfriend in high school who was two years older than
I.  I don't remember the talk they gave him or when it was, but he
knew for a fact that they would never let him date me again if he
drank and then drove me around.  He believed them and cared enough
about me he wasn't willing to take the chance.

Two comments.  This only works if the child, like me, has the utmost
respect for the parents' authority and the knowledge that the
punishment would be followed through.  And, yes I did eventually have
some drunks, I was away at college then.  I went to school in a
typical small college town (any Univ Wisc River Falls people out
there?) and we could walk to bars and crawl home if necessary.  I was
mature enough by college to realize the danger drinking and driving
could create and glad my parents had taught me well.

It's a tough subject and just like with baby problems, what works for
one child/teen won't necessarily work for another.  Good luck!

Mary Curtis
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Stephanie Edelmann)
Subject: Headsize boy vs. girl (Was: Head size (was: ultrasound exper
Organization: University of Kentucky
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:53:00 GMT

In article <9301261611.AA10438@kocrsw06.delcoelect.com>
c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
 
>
>jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd) wrote:
>
>> When I started looking around me, I could see that there's definitely a
>> range of head sizes in children (and indeed in adults too), and that my
[stuff deleted]
>True. we were wondering as our little one has a large head, though
>some of that is visual (born with 4-inch long hair :-)) and some
>reality.
>
>As far as percentiles go head size is in par with weight and height,
>all usually at 75-80% (she's getting big!). We asked the pediatrician
>for this and she said that couples with large heads tend to have
>children with large heads... Since both of her parents are large
>headed creatures (!) she said it's normal.
>
>Now that she's almost 5 months old her head is much more proportional
>to the rest of the body, i.e around the 50th-60th percentile. But
>looking back in the 12-15 babies in the nursery (make that nurseries)
>when she was born (we're talking assembly line deliveries) you're
>right, babies (and baby heads) come in all kinds of shapes and sizes.
>
>(including a PERFECT Saturday Night Live Conehead baby shown in a
>prenatal class video! We actually saw it born, lots of fun)
>
After I had my daughter (easy birth) I ran into a couple of people from
my Lamaze class during the following weeks.  It wasn't a statistically
sigificant sample size, but it seemed as if every mother with a girl had
had a child with a relatively small head, whereas all the boy's heads were
rather large - some of them rather deformed, too.  Any opinions out there?
Are boys' heads usually bigger than girls'?  Or was that just a strange
coincidence?
 
Stephanie
 
>Spiros
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