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From: friedman@adena.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark "Crimson" Friedman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Popularity in Comics (was Liefield Throws Tantrum)
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:37:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: cis.1992Aug20.233714.29274
Organization: NAIVE - New And Improved Virtual Environment

In article <BtAM4J.3s4@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Sanjiv Sarwate) writes:
]Liefeld has a trail of bad books and butchered characters (which,
]admittedly, were already in pretty bad shape),

I agree on this point: Loise Simonson fuct up the New Mutants long
before Liefield was buttoning his fly.  Lets just say that she was
the critter that mauled the book, whilst Robbie was just a buzzard
left free to pick over the already rotting carcass...

							- Mark

-- 
Mark "Klone Crimson" Friedman is friedman@cis.ohio-state.edu .................
"There is nothing former   "Beat poets,    "If you put a hungry ferret in your
 about King Crimson."       not children."  trousers, he'll run around..."
 - Robert Fripp, 5/11/90    - anonymous     - Nigel Tufnel (Spinal Tap)
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From: mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
Subject: Re: Sandman #42
Reply-To: mss2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:17:04 GMT

In article <j7_ns5f.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>Mervyn's right.  When the rain falls on the one who controls the
>local weather, that's posturing, not pathos.

Depends to what extent, if any, the Dreaming responds to Dream's
emotions on a subconscious or barely conscious level.  If the Dreaming
tends to form itself according to its master's moods, Dream may well
be in no mood to be bothered with correcting it, especially when it
seems so appropriate (to him).  It seems unlikely to me that he would
have deliberately implied that he felt as much better as the rainbow
at the end implied, for example; he might stop the rain, if he'd
started it, but his overt mood wasn't _that_ bright.  I'm inclined to
suspect that some of Dream's control of the Dreaming is unconscious,
or reflexive.

Mike
-- 
Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS	"Workers of the world, forgive me.
mss2@midway.uchicago.edu	 You had more to lose than I thought."
mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu	 -- Karl Marx (1990) as imagined by
mss2@usite-next.uchicago.edu     Jim Koncz (konc@midway.uchicago.edu)
From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: THE Spider-man artist
Keywords: McFarlane,Dikto
Date: 20 Aug 92 08:52:55 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

louzon@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Louzon ronald g) writes:
>>Thats sort of my view. Bisley is THE Lobo artist just as MacFarlane is THE
>>spiderman artist. I may get the rest of Lobo's Back because when I get a
>NOT!!! THE Spider-man artist has to be Steve Dikto.  His work is the 
>definitive version of the web-slinger.  Ditko's story telling techique
>blows McFarlane out of the water.  I bet in ten years people will be
>saying "Dikto's run on Spider-man remains the best ever. Much better
>than that stuff done in the adjectiveless title when it first started.
>What was that guy's name?"ZZ 

If they say that it will only be because Ditko's Spiderman was the
first Spiderman. MacFarlane created a whole new look for 
Spiderman which other strive to copy and don't suceed. But what
it comes down to really is one person's opinion against another.

Jed
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The Care and Feeding of Comics
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:10:27 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <77858@ut-emx.uucp> cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner) writes:
>
>This brings up an interesting net.question:
>
>Who else has a complete run (or just a load of issues) of a particular title
>that will never be worth a damn thing (at least from a monetary standpoint),
>but that you've kept anyway?

Most of the stuff I have.  You see, I can't bring myself to throw
comics/magazines/books away, and I've never felt the need to go through
the effort of selling stuff.
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
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From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD])
Subject: Re: baseball(actually, football)
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:30:40 GMT

In <Bsxs67.Fn0@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:

>In article <BsxMJ8.67o@news.udel.edu> derf@ravel.udel.edu (the Greatful Fred) writes:
>>	Also, one of the Spider-Man
>>	titles several years ago had The fate of the universe hinged
>>	on a game of street football.  This might have been a secret wars
>>	cross-over, or a drug-induced fantasy.

>The Watcher caught an alien mercenary stealing a weapon from his house.  
>Rather than vaporizing the thief, the Watcher made a bet with him on the 
>outcome of the game.  Naturally, Spidey's team (the Watcher's) was winning,
>so the alien transferred some power into the largest boy on the enemy team.
>The Watcher noticed, of course, and transformed the alien into a joker on
>a deck of playing cards.   Not bad, really...

Hmm.  I'm not sure that was the way it went down.  I think the guy caught
the Watcher off guard, but he was a gambling fiend and so made the bet.

Spidey's team was a bunch of little kids; the alien's team was a bunch of
older, tough kids.

The alien did end up as a joker on a deck of cards.

This story was in Web of Spider-Man, the summer he got married and they
used up all the old inventory stories.  It was by Jim Shooter and I'm
pretty sure it was the last published work he had at Marvel.  (I think
he was already gone when it came out.)  It was an excellent story; 
unfortunately I've lost my copy.

-- 
Gary Lewandowski             gary@cs.wisc.edu              Theory Slug of Doom
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Just because some of us can read and write and do a little math,
that doesn't mean we deserve to conquer the Universe.
	-- Kurt Vonnegut, _Hocus Pocus_
From: fritz@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Katie Fritz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Ambush Bug/TICK/Etc.
Keywords: Interesting, more info
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:10:31 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Aug13.225733.20615@cco.caltech.edu> jwf@kastor.ccsf.caltech.edu (Jon Flower) writes:
>Hi!  I've recently become a big Tick and Ambush Bug fan (related only
>in the sense that both are VERY funny).  Could anyone help me out on
[deletions]
>Also, can anyone recommend other good books in a similar (funny) vein?

How about Milk & Cheese ("Dairy Products Gone Bad!") by Evan Dorkin?
I think it's pretty funny. My husband thinks it's hysterical.

-- 
   Katie Fritz --Internet: fritz@ben.dev.upenn.edu -- CompuServe: 71257,3153
"From what I hear Earth is a podunk little place but they make great pastrami."
         -- Graetwist, "Roadways" #1, Comic Zone Publishing
              --Penn is not Penn State and I am neither--
From: aris@unisup1.uucp (Aris Stathakis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: D.R. & Quinch, man.
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:02:25 GMT
Organization: Lasernet (pty) Ltd.

Hey man.

Are there, like, any D.R. (for Deeply Religious of course, man) out there?

Anyone know if there are, any other brain-stompingly good books like the
"Totally Awesome Guide to Life?" available?  And like, i'd give up
thermo-nuclear warfare for a week if I could get a D.R. & Quinch T-shirt!

Later dudes.

Aris

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From: rutled@bnr.ca (Philip Rutledge)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Worthless (?) comics
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:41:00 GMT
Reply-To: rutled@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Craig Welsh  8823239 (cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca) wrote:
: Still, I was always kind of disappointed that we never got that Shogun
: Warriors-Godzilla crossover. Or better yet, a Godzilla-Shogun
: Warriors-Micronauts crossover. Now that would have been interesting.

They came close to a Shogun Warriors-Godzilla crossover with the
Godzilla-Red Ronin issues though!

Later,
Phil
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From: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn )
Subject: Re: Demon #28
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 00:43:40 GMT

In article <g7_nhxf.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>"Let's look at the *facts*:  While Etrigan was Governor of Hell
>there was zero unemployment, *no* new taxes, and *no* prisoner
>furglough program..."
>
>I'm having fun with this storyline.  If you like good -- if unsubtle --
>political humor, even if you don't read Demon, try issue #26, and if
>you like it, read the rest of the storyline.  (The current issue, #28,
>is the third of four.)
>
>-----
>Dani Zweig
>dani@netcom.com

I must admit this storyline is pretty funy, however I started buying
Demon with the first issues where Etrigan overthrows Hell's govt and
becomes the new ruler of the Triumvirate. I thought the idea of a
comic based on fighting in Hell to be a good one, but they haven't gone
there since that original storyline in the first issues. Hopefully, 
they'll return after Etrigan becomes President! A couple questions:
what did Jason Blood mean when he said that it had been mathematically
impossible for Etrigan to win for weeks, what does a government in
Hell _do_, anyways??

-pmm

"Is it madness, my dear Enchantress, which drives a man of my genius to strive
 for an impossible prize..or is it the striving for that which is ever just
 out of reach which prevents madness from overtaking me?"  
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From: jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W Lai)
Subject: Re: Sandman, Hector Hall and the DC universe (was: Re: Sandam
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:47:24 GMT

In article <Bt3vE2.HoJ@acsu.buffalo.edu> jap@acsu.buffalo.edu (James A. Perreault) writes:
>In any case, Hector Hall deserves better than to simply vanish away into the
>dead ( especially since he never really died ).  I do hope they retcon that
>away soon.  This can be done in a story dealing with the Silver Scarab and
>Dr. Hastor, and without Morpheous.

How about an arc detailing his adventures in the Sunless Lands?  After all, he
would go to a place where he would expect...
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun)
Subject: Re: CEREBUS: M&D 10 (spoilers)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:42:14 GMT

In article <Bt7IBt.FBt@world.std.com>, Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay) writes:
> 
> Ha!  Maybe this will finally silence the heretical "One-Oscar" school!
> Bwah-hah-hah!  :-)

It does.  But it also begs the question that maade me think the two Oscars
had to be the same person:
- What's the point of MELMOTH?

We're shown the death of a man, which is tragic in and of itself.  But what's
the thematic significance in the larger context of the Cerebus storyline?
This "Sebastian Melmoth" is not Oscar, he's just a character that was
introduced with no explanation, for the express purpose of getting him
killed!

Of course, then it turns out that the death of Melmoth will have grave
repercussions in Cerebus' life five years (our time) from now.  Or
something like that.  :-)
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
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From: fritz@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Katie Fritz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics
Subject: ATTN: Fantasy-adventure fans!
Keywords: Roadways
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:35:01 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

The solicitations for Roadways #2 from Comic Zone are out,
and in the interest of boosting sales and interest in this
title, I'd like to alert fans of fantasy-adventure stories
to its existence. 

Roadways is a 3-issue miniseries with story by Jeff Lang,
pencils by Ted Slampyak and inks & letters by Steve Lieber.
It's a fantasy-adventure about a physics professor who goes looking
for his missing lab assistant and ends up being magically drawn
into another world, ruled by a mysterious man in a mask, and where
the only vegetation grows along the banks of a mystifying silvery
"road."  

Some weeks ago, an invitation was issued to netters, seeking
letters of comment to appear in the first issue.  The reaction
has been overwhelmingly positive.  In fact, we haven't gotten
a negative letter yet.

Roadways #1 hit the stands the week of July 31, but orders were
low, so it's likely your dealer may not have gotten the book
or seen the original solicitation.  If you are interested in
getting #1, it can be ordered directly from the publisher
or from the author.  For #2, please urge your dealer to order it.

Thanks.

 


-- 
   Katie Fritz --Internet: fritz@ben.dev.upenn.edu -- CompuServe: 71257,3153
"From what I hear Earth is a podunk little place but they make great pastrami."
         -- Graetwist, "Roadways" #1, Comic Zone Publishing
              --Penn is not Penn State and I am neither--
From: ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Lewis AJ)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman spoiler question
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:20:49 GMT

In <1992Aug21.022543.24968@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary) writes:


>Obviously, the crystal Nuala has is suppose to clue in the smarter
>readers about who the girl is.  That category doesn't include me.
>Could some kind soul among the elect kindly clue me in? Please?
>Pretty please?

Nuala?
Crystal?
That shows how carefully I read the things - what issue are you talking about?
I thought that Nuala had appeared only in Season of Mists and A Game of You,
and was simply a fairy with no special significance.

Andy


-- 
Andy Lewis  (ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk)
Department of Electronics and Computer Science
University of Southampton
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From: cerebus@engin.umich.edu (Joe Gorde)
Subject: Re: Popularity in Comics (was Liefield Throws Tantrum)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 01:47:44 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <dusek.714428245@shale> dusek@rtsg.mot.com (James Dusek) writes:
>>wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug20.140145.16334@ryn.mro4.dec.com> midnight@mdnite.enet.dec.com writes:

>>>> [Asks why people bitch about Liefeld so much]

>>>I think it is a combination of (1) they are jealous of him, (2) most
>>>people who purchase his work (and the other Image creators' work) do
>>>not seem to even look at what is inside the cover, (3) it is "in" and
>>>"cool" to not like him, and (4) Image comics are "popular".
>
>	1 HAHAHAHAHAHHA No way. 2 They can't read whats inside of the cover.
>3. It is in to like him. 4. Image comics are a fad.
>
>James

3. In some circles, it is "hip" and "cool" to like him.
   In others, it's "hip" and "cool" to whine and bitch about him.
   I just ignore him, which, of course, makes me "hip" and "cool".

                                    *Joe Gorde*

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                          "What is strong wins; that is the universal law.
                           If only it were not so often precisely what is
                           stupid and evil!"
                                        -Nietzsche
From: cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Spinoffs of Mature Readers Titles in DC
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:08:39 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Aug18.120925.11954@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne) writes:
>In a previous article, dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) says:
>>Hey, I want Delirium #1!!!  But I thought only *viable* titles would get spun 
>>off...}->  I mean, I like Doom Patrol so therefore it must be on the verge of 
>>cancellation just like Captain Atom, Blue Devil, Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, 
>>Hawk & Dove and just about every non JL* title I like(d) at DC!
>Actually, Delirium #1 would be a logical book to have multiple covers
>with different colors...

Lesse.....

Death #1 : Comes with contact poison on the last page, making it incredibly
valuable because no one knows the whole story and is alive to tell us about it.

Desire #1 : Crossover with Batman and the X-Men (yeah, I know, different 
company. Run with it.), so every fanboy in existance will immediatly want it.
Has "Collector's Item!" on the cover a la X-Force #1. 

Despair #1 : Actual title of Desire #1, because DC doesn't actually print any,
so all of those fanboys get morose and commit mass suicide. (Hey, it's a pipe
dream.) Becomes immediate collector's item because of newsworthiness. 

Destiny #1 : Comes as a leather-bound book with it's own wrist-chain. Costs 
$500, becomes immediate collector's item due to cost.

Destruction #1 : Every box of issues shipped has a light-sensitive bomb in the
bottom, making opening the box a risky proposition. Becomes incredibly 
valuable, because in order to own one you have to buy a whole box of 'em. 
Unopened Destruction #1 boxes are found all around the US in giant mylar bags.

Of course, these would only occur if Gaiman was writing for Marvel|Image......
(Sick thought, no?)

-- 
    "Well, do you ever get the feeling that the Story's too damn real
                        and in the present tense?"
               Christian Wagner - cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu 
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From: jtpoupor@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Jeff Poupore)
Subject: Re: The Care and Feeding of Comics
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:22:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.023220.10795@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>, cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:
> In article <13990@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:
> I completely agree about selling your comics yourself if you have the
> time. You would probably be lucky to get 10 cents each for your Blue
> Devil's around here. Not all stores rip you off, but they do have an
> overhead to maintain.
[Stuff deleted]
> 

From what I've heard the best place to sell comics is in the North West 
Territories.  You can get double to triple list price!!!
(Depending on the comic of course ;-)

Even the trashy ones that we sunk money into thinking it would be worth 
something sell not too bad :-)

The only problem is of course the airfare and such but if you can work it 
it's a gold mine.

There is also a store in Guelph, Ontario, Canada (Darn can't remember the name)
that pays up to 50% (as high as 75% on certain comics, I believe) of list 
price!!!!

Nice to know if you live around here!!!  
(Not that I could bring myself to sell them unless I REALLY needed the cash :-)

-----------
Jeff Poupore, CS241 Tutor
jtpoupor@descartes.waterloo.edu/jtpoupor@descartes.uwaterloo.ca
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From: cerebus@engin.umich.edu (Joe Gorde)
Subject: Re: Sandman #42
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 22:06:07 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <j7_ns5f.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>Mervyn's right.  When the rain falls on the one who controls the
>local weather, that's posturing, not pathos.

I've been saying this about Sandman since the beginning of "Season of Mists";
Morpheus is nothing but a big poser.  Kind of funny for one of Gaiman's
own characters to articulate it, though.

                                    *Joe Gorde*

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                          "What is strong wins; that is the universal law.
                           If only it were not so often precisely what is
                           stupid and evil!"
                                        -Nietzsche
From: louzon@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Louzon ronald g)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: THE Spider-man artist
Summary: NOT McFarlane
Keywords: McFarlane,Dikto
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:32:07 GMT
Reply-To: louzon@aplcen (Louzon ronald g)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

>
>Thats sort of my view. Bisley is THE Lobo artist just as MacFarlane is THE
>spiderman artist. I may get the rest of Lobo's Back because when I get a
NOT!!! THE Spider-man artist has to be Steve Dikto.  His work is the 
definitive version of the web-slinger.  Ditko's story telling techique
blows McFarlane out of the water.  I bet in ten years people will be
saying "Dikto's run on Spider-man remains the best ever. Much better
than that stuff done in the adjectiveless title when it first started.
What was that guy's name?"ZZ
From: cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The Care and Feeding of Comics
Date: 19 Aug 92 03:57:17 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Aug17.164054.15497@stsci.edu> wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:
>Also, I don't think Zot! will be cheap for very long.  People will
>discover McCloud's genius (okay, I might be dreaming).

We can only hope...... 

#36 of ZOT! was probably one of the finest pieces of comic work that I have 
seen, -period-. And it's so neat to watch how far McCloud's art style evolved 
from #1 to the end. 

Do you think we could convince Dark Horse to pick up ZOT! too? :> :> :> 

-- 
    "Well, do you ever get the feeling that the Story's too damn real
                        and in the present tense?"
               Christian Wagner - cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu 
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:36:58 -0400 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Joyous Day??(was Re: DC Shakeup??)

>
Has anyone heard rumors or confirmation thereof that six DC editors
have jumped ship and headed to Darkhorse?  Mike Eury is almost certainly
not working at DC anymore, anyone know what he is doing?
>

oh please someone tell me this is true!? if "Editor Boy" is gone then DC
might actually put a *real* editor on LSH!! Of course, the way things
are going, they'll probably put Jonathan Peterson on it....ugh. [one
could only hope that Peterson would be among those who defected....I
don't think Dark Horse would have any use for someone of his "talents"]

--Vernon.
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