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From: hide@unl.edu (harry ide)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Biting :-(
Date: 11 Jan 1993 14:55:41 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
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BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Stephanie Edelmann) writes:

>In article <29454@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
>dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst) writes:
> 
>> [biting story & reaction deleted]
>>
>>I prefer to discipline with logical consequences - what is the logical
>>consequence for biting?
>>
>Here's my 2 cents:  There is no logical consequence for biting.  However,
>I think timeout is a proper response.  You separate the kid from its
>friends because s/he cannot play nicely and is hurting people.
>

Why isn't that the logical consequence? If someone bit me, I would be 
reluctant to be around them for a while, and I think I would tend to 
avoid anyone who bites, whether or not they bit me. So here's a logical 
sequence children can learn: if you bite someone, then you'll be isolated 
from people for a while. Since the other children won't respond in that 
way (probably), we separate the biter from them.
--
Harry A. Ide                      |  `It's better to play dice with  
(Dad to Andrew, born 4.iv.1991)   |  children than to play politics 
                                  |  with you.' (Heraclitus)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: floom@cco.caltech.edu (Laura E. Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Another **New Mommy** Question
Date: 11 Jan 1993 21:46:06 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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nooshin%naqvi.uucp@isac.ca (Nooshin Naqvi) writes:

>mcsnewton@memstvx1.memst.edu () writes:
>> Hello Again!!
>> 
>> This the **New Mommy** once again, with yet another question!!
>> 
>> OK, whenever I lie down and roll over onto my side (either one, it doesn't
>> matter) I feel the baby kicking like crazy!!  Is it possible that the baby is
>> getting skwooshed or something??
>> 

>Hi all.

>I just had a baby 6 months ago, and I had the same question.  Someone
>told me when you walk there is movement and when you stop the baby is
>telling you, "Hey you, don't stop, I like it."  That is my
>understanding.
>					
>
They way I understand it, is when you are walking around you are rocking
your baby to sleep. When you lie down, it will wake up and start moving.
This is also why many infants are born with thier clocks mixed up, and
are much more sleepy during the day.  
 
I felt both my kids much more strongly when I was on my side. I dont think
it means that much. In my case, they were kicking on my side alot, but when 
I was lying on the side, the kicks had more to push against, so I felt it 
more. If I wasnt lying on my side, I could still see the little movements, 
and think fondly of the movie Alien. 
 
Laura Floom 

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Re: Book recommend request--trucks (Funny story)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:36:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>in article: <93007.145513CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> Chris Himes writes:
>
>Douglas (15 mos) is developing a fascination with trucks/cars/etc.
>There are a million books along these lines, obviously a hot kid topic.
>What ones have other children this age enjoyed?  We have, and Doug
>likes:
>1.  Fire Engines (Anne Rockwell)
>2.  Things that Go (Anne Rockwell)
>3.  Freight Train (Daniel Crews)
>4.  A chunky board book called "Trucks"
>
>I'm looking for things with good pictures--we aren't really at the
>"story" stage yet.
>
>Thanks, 
>
>Chris Himes
>
 
Melissa likes her Things That Go book.  I was going to suggest it and
then saw you already had it.  So that reminded me of this cute things
they say (age 30):
 
Our friends were over and Thom was reading to Melissa (~18 mos at the
time) and Thomas (~24 mos at the time) and started looking for a new
book to read.  He picked up the Things That Go book and read it aloud.
"Cars go book"...  "Trains go book"... "Tractors?  Tractors don't go
book!"  We laughed so hard.  Only Thom would have thought of it that
way. :)  (If you haven't seen this one, the cover says "Things That
GO book".)
 
TAMARA
mommy to Melissa (5/1/91) and ? (due 5/8/93)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: guido@island.COM (Guido Marx)
Subject: Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.  San Rafael, Ca.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:16:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.045240.11706@news2.cis.umn.edu> Theresa Jarosz Alberti <sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu> writes:
>I'm really interested in alternatives to spanking when dealing with
>children too young to understand reasoning.  My son and daughter are 17
>months old and they are starting to get into behaviors I'm not sure how
>to handle.  
>
>I "spanked" them for the first time (slapped their hands) when, after
>hours of "no touch!" from me concerning the Christmas tree lights, I came
>into the room and found them playing with the lights AND my son had them
>wrapped around his neck!  

How about removing them from the room ?  Another trick might be to turn 
off the lights. 

>Another problem has been feeding time.  They've gotten into very
>purposefully throwing their food on the floor.  We say "no!" loud, louder
>and even louder, and they smile cunningly and drop the food slowly onto
>the floor.  

We have a rule at our house.  When Justin starts to play with his
food, we take him out of his high-chair.  He too went through a phase
at about seventeen months when he was throwing food.  IMHO, if the
kids are playing with their food, they're not really very hungry.

Our son is 2.5 now, and my wife and I have decided that we would prefer
not to use spanking as a form of discipline.  So far, we haven't had
to.  In general, Justin is a well-behaved little boy so we don't have to
discipline him much.

Guido
From: uttla@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Laura Utt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Elizabeth's sickness
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:32:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1ia6t9INNacl
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Organization: OSU CS Outreach Services, Corvallis, Oregon
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Isn't it great to follow-up your own articles? ;)

uttla@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Laura Utt) writes:

[stuff on her being sick deleted for space]

>For the whole time that she hasn't been feeling well, she hasn't
>slept through the night, and hasn't been on a good schedule. What
>I'd like to know from others that have had their child's schedule
>messed up with sickness, is how long did it take for him/her to 
>pick it back up?  

Well, she slept all night last night. Let's hope it lasts. She does
seem to be feeling better. I didn't need to give her any tylenol
yesterday for fussiness/pain. She went to sleep for the night around
midnight, however. Let's hope, again, that it will be back to around
8-10pm instead when she is fully recovered from her infections.

>We were able to put her to bed while she was still awake, but 
>sleepy, and she was eating 3 times a day plus her formula.  Now
>she wakes up around 2 or 3am, and doesn't finish her formula  or
>her meals.

She still isn't finishing her meals, but she will... I hope.  Not
that it is bad that she doesn't... I just worry about her. 

Oh- when we did take her to the ER New Years Eve.. they weighed her
and she weighed 17lbs. At her 6 month check up she weighed a few
ounces below 17lbs. Is it "normal" not to gain much between 6 and 8
months?

-Laura (Mommy to 8 month old Elizabeth) Utt
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.pagan
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Re: First birthday party ideas?
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:01:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.135354.24023@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan) writes:
>
>In article <1993Jan5.232058.410@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com>,
>elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade) writes:
>
>> In article <C0EFu6.44M@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu \
>> (Peggy Brown) writes:
>> >In article <1993Jan5.181724.8075@oracle.us.oracle.com>, \
>> shobart@us.oracle.com (Sarah Groves Hobart) writes...
>> >>	2) Do you have any ideas on how to recognize a godfather other
>> >>		than with a formal christening?
>> >> 
>> >
>> >First of all, how did he get a godfather without a formal 
>> >christening?
>> >
>> >My husband and I will be facing the same problem.  He's atheist 
>> >and I'm agnostic.
>> >
>> >Anyway, we would also like to have a christening ceremony of some 
>> >sort, with participation by godparents.  
>> >
>> >Any suggestions?
>> >
>> >- Peggy -
>> 
>> I'm confused.  Why would atheist, agnostic, or religously
>> indifferent folks want their child to have godparents of
>> any variety?  What function would that person fill in their
>> child's life?
>> 
>> (Which is a different issue from wanting to have a formal
>> non-religious ceremony of some kind on the birth of a child.)
>
>There is also a practical purpose to naming godparents, which
>hasn't been mentioned in this thread yet.  In my family's tradition
>(cross-thread pun intended), the godparents are named in the parent's
>will to be the guardians of the children should something happen to
>the parents.  Agreeing to be the godparents for a child is a big
>commitment.
>
>Fortunately, no one in my family has ever needed this protection,
>but I know that my parents and their relatives felt much better
>knowing that this commitment had been made.
>
>				- - Steve
>
>--
>Don't miss the 49th New England Folk Festival,
>April 23-25, 1993 in Natick, Massachusetts!


Interesting concept.  My children's leagal guardian should both
my husband and I die is not the same as their godparents.  I rather
envisioned those things as two very different functions.

Elise.
From: Lisa S. Lewis <lisas@pucc.princeton.edu>
Subject: Re: Milk Allergies
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton  University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:20:15 GMT

In article <1il32rINN3ps@male.EBay.Sun.COM> Valerie Jorge,
valjorge@leapyear.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
In article <1il32rINN3ps@male.EBay.Sun.COM> Valerie Jorge,
valjorge@leapyear.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>Anyone out there gone through detecting milk allergies?
>My son is 7 months and for about 6-8 weeks now (pretty
>much since I started supplementing formula - is now
>100% formula fed) has had a lot of congestion and 
>no longer sleeps through the night.  He wakes up
>hungry and seems gassy and uncomfortable.  I have
>had his ears checked, no problems there.  We started
>hypoallergenic formula yesterday, and the doctor
>said if milk was the culprit, we need to continue
>this formula for 7-10 days to see if it makes
>a difference.

YES!  My son was on formula and *seemed* to do ok.  At nine months, I
switched him to whole milk, as my doctor said that was ok.  He
immediately became crabby, spit up alot, etc.  My first thought was that
he just wasn't ready for whole milk. But then it occurred to me that
perhaps he did have an allergy and that because the cow's milk in formula
is partically broken down, it was too subtle for me to notice.		

I immediately switched to soy formula, and voila!  He was a different
child!  I suddenly realized that he had been quite crabby for some time. 
My husband had always maintained that he was fussy, and I thought he'd
just forgotten how much babies cry.  But more significant, within two
days he began to babble like mad.  I had been very concerned about his
lack of true babbling.  While this *could* be a coincidence, I don't
believe it.

I didn't bother with testing, and I only mentioned to the pediatrician
three months after switching him.   He said I had done the right thing.
And as for waiting, if a child is having an allergic reaction, I wouldn't
think prolonging is advisable.  In older children who are allergic to
dairy, there are commonly very profound behavioral changes once milk is
removed from the diet.

Lisa Lewis
From: linda@unix.SRI.COM (Linda J. Szkoropad)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Cesarian Question
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:18:06 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California

I've had two seminatural deliveries, so I don't know how to comfort
my sister on this one:

My neice's fundal height (stomach??) is 3 inches larger than what
she's supposed to be--i.e., my sister was told that your weeks PG and
fundal height should be about the same...is this something
threatening?

The OB is seriously considering a cesarian.  Nowadays are
coaches/spounses allowed in during cesarians, and is the mother
conscious??

Please e-mail, she's due this week!

Thanks in advance.
From: wang@optigfx.optigfx.com (Alice Wang)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: airport waiting area
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:36:13 GMT
Organization: Optigraphics Corporation, San Diego

Happy New Year!

During the holidays, we were at the airport to pickup
my mother.  The plane, as usual, was delayed and we were
glad to found out that one section of the waiting area
was intented for kids.  There was a Little-Tikes Slide,
a FP Picnic Table and a Duplo table with plenty of blocks.
It was certainly enough to keep Christine entertained for
the 45 minutes or so we had to wait.

I haven't been to the San Diego airport for a year now
so I don't know how new is this facility.  I wonder how
common is this in other airports?

Alice Wang
Mom to Christine, 1 yo
wang@optigfx.com
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to protect your family from the State
Date: 4 Jan 1993 21:13:00 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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In article <dlhanson.26.726174156@nap.amoco.com>, dlhanson@nap.amoco.com 
(David L. Hanson) writes:
> This was posted to the home-ed-politics mailing list a few weeks ago (not
> by me). I believe that it contains valuable information to help all parents
> to protect their family from the State. 

[amazing work of paranoia omitted]

*WHAT* is this guy trying to hide? What is he *doing* to his kids, that he's 
so uptight about the idea of allowing any outsiders to see what goes on in 
his home? Come on, normal folks don't worry so much about being caught that
they write (or copy) many paragraphs on the subject!

It makes you wonder, doesn't it?

(I hope that posting this doesn't make me a target for somebody who is
dangerously insane.)

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.pagan
From: jws@hp835.mitek.com (Jeanetha Wemken)
Subject: Re: First birthday party ideas?
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:11:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.232058.410@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com> elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade) writes:
>In article <C0EFu6.44M@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan5.181724.8075@oracle.us.oracle.com>, shobart@us.oracle.com (Sarah Groves Hobart) writes...
>>>	2) Do you have any ideas on how to recognize a godfather other
>>>		than with a formal christening?
>>> 
>>
>>First of all, how did he get a godfather without a formal 
>>christening?
>>
>>My husband and I will be facing the same problem.  He's atheist 
>>and I'm agnostic.
>>
>>Anyway, we would also like to have a christening ceremony of some 
>>sort, with participation by godparents.  
>>
>>Any suggestions?
>>
>>- Peggy -
>
>I'm confused.  Why would atheist, agnostic, or religously
>indifferent folks want their child to have godparents of
>any variety?  What function would that person fill in their
>child's life?
>
>(Which is a different issue from wanting to have a formal
>non-religious ceremony of some kind on the birth of a child.)
>
>Elise.

To define the term godparent (godfather/godmother) as a person 
having a relation to a child as the sponsor.  Or as I have read 
"...to lead the child in spirit or in matters of sprituality 
as they grow...", to help instill values in the child's character.  

Being agnostic or religously indifferent does not mean that one
does not have morals, values, and standards of chararacter that
they wish to see their children obtain.  It follows that parents
would choose a "mentor" or "godparent" for their children.  They
look for people that have values and character that they find
like theirs or that they admire and would be comfortable in
having "lead" their children.  

This is what would be called the "godfather/godmother" and should 
be an honor for someone to be choosen and quite a serious job to have.

Jeanetha - Mom to Gregg(19) and Laura Jean(3)
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: wang@ssd.intel.com (Wen-Lin Wang)
Subject: Re: Chicken Pox
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:21:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.194800.1710@cbnewse.cb.att.com> elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen) writes:
>
>...  She hasn't had the chicken pox yet
>either, and it seemed to me that at her age she ought to get
>the chicken pox vaccine...

First of all I am glad to hear there is such vaccine.  Can this vaccine
be given to babies as part of their immunization program?  When I asked
my daughter's pediatrician a couple of years ago, she disapproved such a
notion and gave me an impression that such vaccine either does not exist
or is not worth it.  I don't even know if I had chicken pox :(.

Wen-lin



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From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Laying newborn on stomach
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:11:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.190312.12464@crd.ge.com> dudding@sallyride.crd.ge.com (Kate Dudding) writes:
>Our in-hospital training 8 years ago said to wedge the baby so it lies on its
>side, using stuffed animals or rolled up receiving blankets for wedges in the
>basinette.  That way, any spit-up drains out of the mouth.  So that's what
>we did for the first few months.
>
>-- 

 
I did this for about a week. Then he just managed to wiggle out of it.
Jeffrey was a very strong baby. One of the baby catalogues (One Step Ahead,
I think) had this neat bassnet thing. It was sort of a mesh hammock type thing
that keeps infants on their side. It was pretty pricey (~80) and I already have
a cradle, so I am not getting it. Has anyone else seen it?
 
It really is a tough issue. Just 3 years ago, when Jeffrey was born, it was
so ingrained in us all to put the babies on their tummys (if the side didnt
work), and now they have changed it. I think I will try putting Emma (due in
2 months) on her back, but it will seem so odd. Another thing I wonder about
it the startle mechanism that is instinctive in most babies. Isnt that supposed
to be worse when they areon their backs? Wont it interfere with thier sleep?
Jeffrey did it alot when he was being held. (for those that dont know what I
am talking about, young infants will be lying there relaxed, possibly sleeping,
and all of a sudden they will jerk, as if startled.)
>
Laura Floom
From: CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu (Chris Himes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Diaper question.
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:58:25 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <16B4EB503.M17257@mwvm.mitre.org>, M17257@mwvm.mitre.org says:
>
>In article <1i8q13INNdi3@gap.caltech.edu>
>prnott@cco.caltech.edu (Prabhu R. Nott) writes:
>
>>
>>Folks:
>>        Has anybody experimented with the Ultratrim variety of Huggies
>>or any other brand of diapers?  They are much more compact than the
>>regular diapers, but I am wondering if that is at the expense of their
>>absorbence.  Has any body tried it out?  Thanks,
>>
>>Prabhu
>
>I personnally do not like the newer huggies, not sure if they're the
>ultrtrim variety, but they're the steps or phases kind.  They do not
>hold as much as there old style did, nor are they as absorbent as
>Luvs and Pampers.  The tapes on the waistband also do not unfasten as
>easily as L or P's or as easily as their old style did.
>
>just MHO. Not affiliated with any of them
>
>Ellie Blackwell

I agree with Ellie about Huggies.  They have never fit Doug as well as Pampers
or Luvs.  We have some of the ultrtrims now and they don't seem quite as
absorbent as the old Huggies, or Pampers or Luvs.  I had a real problem the
last visit to the dr. with Doug because we couldn't get the tabs loose on the
Huggies and couldn't re-use the diaper.  Just annoying I guess.

Doug is short and while not "overweight" has a big belly.  The huggies "large"
are really too long for him, but the "mediums" don't fit around the waist well.
I never thought there would be that much difference between brands.

Chris Himes
From: pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: The Schoo Didn't Fit
Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:07:37 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: citron.sw.stratus.com

In article <JGJ.93Jan11220152@rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com> jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com (Jeff Jackson) writes:
>I know a kid who at about 10 or 11 witnessed a car crash into a canal.
>He jumped in the canal, opened the car door, pulled the guy out before
>the car sank, and dragged him to shore, saving the guy's life.  You
>don't get much more level headed in an emergency than that!  I'm not
>sure *I* would have kept my cool that well.

Yes, that's true, some kids can be great in emergencies.   My kids
and I watch "Rescue 911", which has lots of examples of same on 
weekly.  

Too bad I don't still have the original article - the point
was something about maturity in the thinking process and ability to
choose between alternatives in emergency (leaving the house VS
hiding in the closet), and that until 12 or 13, their thinking
hadn't matured to the point where they could reliably evaluate
and choose between alternatives in an emergency.

alternative.


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jschwarz@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jan A. Schwarz)
Subject: Laying newborn on stomach
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:58:18 GMT

Well, I'm still not a Grandmother yet but any time now.

What are the thoughts about laying a baby on its stomach or back?

Back when mine were born you were always suppose to put them on their
stomach to keep them from having a flat head in the back.

I'm not sure this is the way it's done now.  Any thoughts on this from
all of you out there?

Jan

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rickc@agora.rain.com (Rick Coates)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:35:14 GMT

kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:

>In article <1992Dec31.145255.3618@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
>jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only) writes:

>   > With circumcision we are talking about a medically unnecessary
>   > procedure, that if done to an unconsenting adult would result in
>   > legal action against those involved.


>But seriously folks, it seems that the main issue here is that of whether or
>not circumcisions are medically unnecessary.  

No, it's not.  Not even remotely.

Have you not read the comments from Europe?  Do you really think that
Sweden (Switzerland, Finland, England, ...) is in the dark ages,
routinely ignoring the health of its babies?

Rick

rickc@agora.rain.com
From: mm36@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael J. Minardi)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: test (sorry)
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:18:20 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


test, please excuse.
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