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From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Linovambakoi (Re: Turkish Cypriots reject ENOSIS)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 06:59:54 GMT
Keywords: Ali Pasas, The King, Makarios, Chrysostomos, Vasiliu, Enosis, Palikaria, Akritas

terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes:

>In article <C19xKI.Gxs@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:
>>terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes:
>>
>>>2) When Ottomans conquered Cyprus, they enslaved women and put them in
>>>   their harems. Hey Panos, check it out man, you could be a descendent of
>>>   one of those. This "enslaving women" was done in mainland Greece as well.
>>>   So if there is anyone out there who claims that he/she is pure Greek,
>>>   he/she had better trace his/her family line back to fifteenth century.
>>
>> According to the above statement, some Turks should be checking if they
>> are descentants of Greeks, not the other way you are suggesting.

>Also, according to above, MANY Greeks should be checking if they are     
>descendants of Turks!!! It goes both ways Mr.Tamamidis. Think it over, 
>ive it another try, you will find out that it indeed goes both ways!!

 Nope. It does not. Have you ever heard about "genitsarous?"  These were
 Greeks raised by Turks.  The Ottomans would take any babys of "enslaving
 women" and raise them as Turks.

>E.T. 

 Panos Tamamidis
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: ls1@cec1.wustl.edu (Lambros Skartsis)
Subject: Re: Errors (?) in the greek approach in the Macedonian issue.
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:06:48 GMT

In article: <C1FnBn.M1r@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
 J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger) writes:
(answering to my point regarding the impression of uninformed audience about the
Macedonian issue)

>But the point is that Greece *is* blockading Macedonia.  If they want
>to have a province in their own country called Macedonia, fine.  If
>Bulgaria wants to do so, too, that's fine as well.  And if this former
>republic of Yugoslavia wants to keep its name (Macedonia), that's fine
>too.  They shouldn't be blockaded in an attempt to be forced into
>changing their name.  Note that the Greeks on the net don't admit to
>the blockade against Macedonia.

Maybe Greece is blockading Slavomacedonia and that's probably silly.
One of the many silly things our government of idiots (confronted  by an
opposition of crooks) has done. But that's another issue. 

Let's put it simply Theodore:
the name "Macedonia" has been used by the particular party to facilitate
claims on other people's territory for 50 years with amazing, "cooked-up"
historical arguments - and hoping for the ignorance and confusion of
the audience whose sympathy they seek; in that context it has
already confused the world (just look up books written by
not-too-professionals or casual articles in newspapers etc.). 
And this name-game is only the latest part of a long-going land
dispute between Balkan countries [you might want to read 
Emmanuel Petrakis' articles - a nice surprise that somebody bothered
to put this information on the net]. 

You think that any greek would give a  ***  if, say, an island in the
Pacific would declare independence with the name "Macedonia",
"Athens", "Zorbas", or ..."Souvlaki" ? WHO CARES????

Here we are talking about a long-going land dispute and the use of a 
name to facilitate it. THIS IS THE PROBLEM. 

Does it start sounding a bit more clear now? (I am not trying to convince
you on anything, you can look everything up yourself, anytime; I'm only trying
to help avoid completely irrelevant discussions).

Regards,
L. Skartsis

Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,news.answers
From: J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: More on Macedonia (was Re: Greece reacts sharply to 
 remarks by
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:06:35 GMT
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Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <C1H9sI.I5F@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:

> >I don't have a copy of the Treaty of San Stefano handy at the moment,
> >but will look it up when I get the chance.  However, nobody of Greek
> >extraction on the Net has seriously responded to the claims that Greece
> >is trying to blockade and starve the Macedonians into giving up that
> >name.
> 
>  Silly claims do not deserve serious answers.

But true claims do -- if my claim is so silly, then shouldn't have any
problem countering it!
> 
> >--Ted Schuerzinger
> 
>  Panos Tamamidis


--Ted Schuerzinger
email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
"I should have known it would be bad vodka when all the label said was
'Russian Vodka'."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: mike.kozovski@rose.com (mike kozovski)
Subject: Re: MAK-NEWS_#227_(M.
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:18:19 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 01-27-93 22:12

  (Dimitrios Lambrinos)  writes

 >> Date Entered: 01-26-93 23:16

L>[stuff deleted....]

L>> ALL-MACEDONIAN AUSTRALIAN NATIONAL CONGRESS
 >> Skopje. The first all-Macedonian Australian national congress
 >> will take place between May 8 and 9 in Perth.
 >> The congress, which is being organised by the Macedonian
 >> Information Centre in Perth and the Macedonian Coordinating
 >> Council, will discuss ways in which to establish a common front
 >> over recognition for Macedonia, and to counteract the powerful
 >> greek propaganda.
 >> The congress coincides with the 100 anniversary of the foundation
 >> of TMORO, the 90th anniversary of the Ilinden Uprising and the
 >> death of Goce Delcev.
 >> Other issues to be discusses will include the activities of the
 >                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 >> Macedonian Orthodox Church, assistance to ethnic Macedonians in
 >  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 >> the Pirin and Aegean regions of the Macedonian homeland, the
 >   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^????????????????????^^^^^
 >> Macedonian media and the informing of the Macedonian community
 >  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

L>      DON'T YOU JUST LOVE IT?:

L>      Macedonian honeland
 >      Pirin and Aegean regions of the Macedonian homeland
 >      Asistance to ethnic Macedonians
 >      ...............................
   What are you worried about? Greece claims that there are no ethnic
   minorities within the Greek borders.

L>      WHO TALKED ABOUT TERRITORIAL CLAIMS?

   There are no territorial claims and we are no threat to Greece or
   Bulgaria. The real problem is that Greece is afraid that the
   Aegean Macedonians might want to join the Republic of Macedonian.
   Greece can easily correct the problem by giving the Aegean
   Macedonians basic human rights, something they should have done 80
   years ago.

L>Have a nice day!

L>              Dimitrios.

   M.K.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: pnevmati@milhouse.cs.wisc.edu (Dionisios N. Pnevmatikatos)
Subject: Re: ANT1 / SCOLA : Too bad, you were born Greek
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:08:29 GMT

>From levi3361@oce.orst.edu  Thu Jan 21 11:11:06 1993

>Geia xara.
>	To parov grafetai logw megalou spasimatos. Av diabazei kaveis apo
>Ellada 0a mou ekave megaln xarn va parei eva tnlefwvo ton "ANT1" va tous
>brisei:
>	Apo 14 Dekembriou to SCOLA sumperielabe tnv Ellada sta programmata tou.
>Sav apotelesma, apo tote mexri snmera (20 Gevarn 1993) blepoume 3ava kai 3ava
>tis eidnseis tou ANT1 tns 3-5 Dekembriou 1992! Dev eivai to la0os tou SCOLA,
>ka0ws oi eidnseis olwv twv xwrwv ektos Ellados metadidovtai me to polu mia
>bdomada ka0usternsn. To la0os (av eivai la0os) eivai tou ANT1. Pnra tnlefwvo 
>ston ANT1 Neas Yorkns kai diamarturn0nka kai mou eipav "dev eivai diko mas
>to problnma, ta vea ta stelvouv ap' eu0eias apo tnv A0nva" - sav va mnv eivai
>o idios sta0mos!!! Avti va mas plngwvouv me tnv adiaforia tous gia tov ....
>"apodnmo ellnvismo" kalutera va tov agvoousav teleiws. H dikn tous avikavotnta
>plnrwvetai me tov diko mas auto-empaigmo evwpiov 3evwv foitntwv kai ka0ngntwv.
>Autn eivai n sumboln tou ANT1 stnv die0vn eikova tns Elladas kai stnv evnmerwsn
>twv "3evitemevwv paidiwv tns" (...kai alla eutrapela).
>	Auta gia osous zouv me Eurwpaizouses yeudais0nseis prongmevns Elladas.

Oxi oti perimena kai para polla apo to ANT1 (ektos apo tis teleytaies
sapounoperes!) alla ayto pia...

Dyo erwtiseis:

1) ti wra exei tis ellinikes eidiseis to Scola?

2) Poia einai i dieythinsi/tilefwno tou ANT1 stin Nea Yorkh na tous
kse....... kai emeis ligoulaki? 

>	Episns gia ta "gerakia" pou autapatwvtai me oveirw3eis stratiwtikwv
>0riambwv n estw epituxnmevns amuvas, se mia xwra pou, koiva, paizei to
>pouli tns.

[Nyn kai aei kai eis tous aiwnas twn ...]
Nai, alla twra to paizei eurwpaika :-).

>Auta ta oliga.
>Vassilis Zervakis, Oregon State University.
>-----------------------------------------------------
>Av mporei kaveis as steilei to parov stnv lista "HELLAS"
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,alt.news.macedonia
From: lolonis@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Panagiotis Lolonis)
Subject: Re: Ellemann-Jensen on Macedonia
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:16:35 GMT

c85perwe@IDA.LiU.SE (Per Westling) writes:

>James Tsillias suggested that Denmark would oppose the recognition of
>The Republic of Macedonia if it would call itself New Copenhagen.  I
>don't think they would, and for that matter, I would support them even
>if they called themselves New Sweden (a name used by a part of the
>world now incorporated in the USA).

Very good.  Why do not you suggest that name to the people of Skopje and, when
they accept it, we can recognize them and forget about the issue.

>--
>Per Westling              |
>Mardtoprsgatan 15         |  c85perwe@und.ida.liu.se
>S-582 48 LINKOPING        |  In praise of Idleness -- Bertrand Russel
>SWEDEN                    |

Panos Lolonis
U. of Iowa

Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.netherlands,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.soviet
From: pef@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Panayotis Fouliras; TA PhD)
Subject: Re: The Chairman Of EC says:
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:00:02 GMT

In <1993Jan21.141634.16716@kth.se> hilmi-er@teppo.enet.dec.com writes:

>Ulle Elleman Jensen , Foreign Minister
>of Denmark, the chairman of EC said yesterday, 20/01/93:

>   " I'm shamed of EC because it's bounded
>     from Greece to not recognize Macedonia, EC must
>     recognize Macedonia at once..."

>The black sheep of EC, Greece, continues it's
>disruption in EC and the government of Greece
>has make the Macedonian issue to a sleeping-tablet
>for the Greek people to hide Greece's lousy economy.

>Hilmi Eren
>Stockholm University
>Sweden

Yes we know this man. Check the FT editorial (21/Jan) on the
opinion on his actions. He only has another 10 days or so as
foreign minister of his country, so even because of this, he
should have been more careful.

As to 'black sheep', etc, the simple answer is YAWN... When
other countries are in a minority of one (and Greece is not
alone on this issue), such characterizations are common, but
in the end matters are solved in a usual boring way.

There are more pressing issues for the EEC than this
(Maastricht, etc).

Panayotis
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: irakliot@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Leo J. Irakliotis)
Subject: Re: Ellemann-Jensen on Macedonia
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:15:03 GMT
Reply-To: irakliot@lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering Network Services, Colorado State University

In article <1jptdtINN7fm@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, mrc@helios.UCSC.EDU (Marc Herant) writes:
|> Hmmm, I seem to recall that not that long ago, there was a military
|> regime in power in Greece...

Yes there was a dictatorship in Greece, from 1967 to 1974, officially
backed and support by US? What's your point?

But it was 2 yrs ago in LA when a black man experienced the "serve and
protect" treatment of the LAPD, and it was last year when a "few" "happy"
citizens of US almost burned out LA, was it not?


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: mpoly@panix.com (Michale Polymenakos)
Subject: Re: Constantinople
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:03:42 GMT

In <1993Jan22.040219.13951@bsu-ucs> 00mlschmalz@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>I am a history student at Ball State University, Muncie Indiana, and 
>I'm looking for some relatively obscure information on the 
>city of Constantinople amd its environs.  This information would 
>ideally center on two facets of life: 1) the beliefs, legends, folk 
>tales, mysticism, and such of the inhabitants of that region in the 
>early 13th century, and 2) what the Franks of the Fourth Crusade did
>to the city.

Look under Author: Isaac Asimov for a book entitle "Constantinopole"
or something obvious like that. Excellent book, I borrewed it from a
library about 2 years ago.

Michael
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
From: schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas)
Subject: Re: On Macedonia (was Re: Greece reacts sharply to remarks by Danish foreign minister)
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:31:46 GMT

agscrib@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur Scribner) writes:

>In article <C1D8Hs.GHJ@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger) writes:
>>In article <C1Anpw.44z@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
>>ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:
>>
>>> J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger) writes:
>>> 
>>> >I remember an article from the British magazine 'The Spectator' a few
>>> >months back in which one of the correspondents was in Greece and saw a
>>> >poster saying 'Macedonia is Greek'.  The correspondent thought it might
>>> >be more appropriate to add one word to the sign: 'Greek Macedonia is
>>> >Greek'.
>>> 
>>>  Well, following his logic, the "Republic of Macedonia" would be more
>>>  appropriate to be called "Republic of SOMETHING Macedonia," where the
>>>  word SOMETHING would make clear that this has nothing to do with Greece
>>>  and Greeks. Unfortunatelly, the word "Macedonia" will still be Greek,
>>>  as well as the emblem of their state...
>>> 
>>> >--Ted Schuerzinger
>>> 
>>>  Panos Tamamidis
>>
>>My point was that the Greeks don't have any right to claim the name
>>'Macedonia' as theirs and theirs alone (which is what they are trying
>>to do).  If anybody else tries to use it for, say the independent
>>country which was formerly the southernmost of the Yugoslavian
>>republics, watch what those of Greek extraction who inhabit the net do.
>> Why do you think I used the phrase 'hissy fit' in another of my posts?
>>
>>
>>
>      --Ted Schuerzinger

>That's not the first thing the Greeks tried to claim that was not theirs. I am
>referring to the fact that there is no such thing as Greek Philosophy. The 
>Greeks stole it from the Ancient Egyptians.

Interesting opinion... Of course, I don't know what you mean by Greeks and
Egyptians. You don't happen to have any reference, do you?

						 Bye,
						Yannis.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,alt.news.macedonia
From: msg7038@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michalis  Syrimis)
Subject: Re: writings on mount 5-dactylos
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:08:51 GMT

bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Besime Erin) writes:

>>>Do you folks mean to say that high in the mountain Pentadactylos
>>>there's huge letters (reminiscnent of   H O L L Y W O O D   in
>>>Los Angeles) that write out these message(s)? How big are these
>>>writings? Distance they can be seen from? etc?
>>
>> Yes, like "H O L L Y W O O D," only that the letters are bigger;  
>> Together with a large Turkish flag painted on the ground, so that
>> it can be seen from miles away.
>>
>> To me, it seems that the only reason for having these symbols are to
>> provoke the Greek-Cypriots.  Now imagine how delighted the refugees

>Then according to that logic everything that the Turkish Cypriots 
>represent is provoking too because it's Turkish. 

>How nicely you prove our point, Panos, thank you !


>> from the north part of Cyprus feel when they read:"How happy I am
>> to be a Turk!"  Or imagine the relatives of the MIO's (1,600+ are 

>What's wrong with that ? Is there anything wrong with being proud of
>our heritage and writing it any place we want. 

>The Greek Cypriots DO NOT OWN the Besparmak(Five Finger) mountains too,
>do they ? 
>Is that why they BURNT IT before they left in 1974 ? 
>[I saw it with my own very eyes in 1974, I mean the smoking,burning trees
> on its slopes]  

Besime, I remember seing airplanes bombing Pentadaktylos that morning
of July 20 too, but I never thought that they could be Greek.  Maybe
it was the same planes that bombed the Paphos forest with napalm bombs 
a few days later.

Thinking about again, the planes could have not be Greek planes as the Greeks 
did not have any.
>> still missing) to have to read the same thing every day.

>So what? They are not the only ones. 
>We have a lot of missing and dead people too...  

>> Wonderfull, isn't it?
>>
>> A more correct writing would be:"Ne mutlu pezeveng diyene!"
>> Which means: "How happy I am to be a pimp!"
>>

>Apparently you learned a new word as well, how nice ! 

>Have fun playing with your wide Turkish vocabulary! 

>>>Spiros
>>
>> Panos Tamamidis

>Besime.
-- 
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University of Illinois
Urbana-Champaign
From: schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the Macedonia issue
Date: 26 Jan 93 07:49:39 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

ivrissimtzis@vax1.bham.ac.uk writes:

>Some points on the Macedonian question:

>3. Tito's policy in Balkans is still a matter of dispute. It is hard to
>believe, nevertheless, that the use of the name "Macedonia" for the southmost
>Republic of former Yugoslavia could support expansionist policies (if any) over
>Greek territory, especially against the status quo of the post war era. There
>should have been less ridiculous and more sensible ways, than persuading a
>population to call themselves Macedonians. If Greece ever had territorial
>claims over Albania would it have tried to convince Ipirotes to call themselves
>Albanians? Further, it is interesting to note that Greek governments on the one
>hand saluted its decision to cease his support to the Democratic Army of Greece
>during the civil war and on the other hand never objected the use of the name.
>Only minor disputes did occur over the past 40+ years over the recognition of
>the Slav Speaking minority in northern Greece, but they could have been
>resolved with no hatred, while never obstructed Greek-Yugo relations.

Before arguing on what Tito could do or not I would suggest to have a look
at the history of the Federated Republic of the Yugoslavs and how they tried
to deal with their ethnic problems. If you are really interested into the 
matter have a look at the articles and the books written for that era. And
if you insist, I can try to give a summary.

>4. The policy of Greece pertinent to the recognition of the Skopjan State
>wrongly focuses on the name issue. Since the name Macedonia has been used to
>define a geographical region shared by several nationalities over the past
>centuries (and still does), then a compromise (eg. Northern Macedonia or Bardar
>Macedonia, etc.) with the Skopjan State was feasible and should have been
>reached. Arguments from both sides on whom's ancestor is Alexander the Great
>and any reference on ancient Macedonian history at the onset of 21st century
>are at least absurd and, of course, have no effect in convincing any
>intelligent human being. 

Of course, the problem cannot be solved through ancient history. But 
Usenet is not a place to solve problems. And ancient history is an
interesting subject for a debate.

						 Bye,
						Yannis.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:12472 soc.culture.europe:11373 soc.history:10932
From: agscrib@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur Scribner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: On Macedonia (was Re: Greece reacts sharply to remarks by  Danish foreign minister)
Date: 25 Jan 93 02:02:06 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <C1D8Hs.GHJ@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger) writes:
>In article <C1Anpw.44z@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
>ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:
>
>> J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger) writes:
>> 
>> >I remember an article from the British magazine 'The Spectator' a few
>> >months back in which one of the correspondents was in Greece and saw a
>> >poster saying 'Macedonia is Greek'.  The correspondent thought it might
>> >be more appropriate to add one word to the sign: 'Greek Macedonia is
>> >Greek'.
>> 
>>  Well, following his logic, the "Republic of Macedonia" would be more
>>  appropriate to be called "Republic of SOMETHING Macedonia," where the
>>  word SOMETHING would make clear that this has nothing to do with Greece
>>  and Greeks. Unfortunatelly, the word "Macedonia" will still be Greek,
>>  as well as the emblem of their state...
>> 
>> >--Ted Schuerzinger
>> 
>>  Panos Tamamidis
>
>My point was that the Greeks don't have any right to claim the name
>'Macedonia' as theirs and theirs alone (which is what they are trying
>to do).  If anybody else tries to use it for, say the independent
>country which was formerly the southernmost of the Yugoslavian
>republics, watch what those of Greek extraction who inhabit the net do.
> Why do you think I used the phrase 'hissy fit' in another of my posts?
>
>
>
      --Ted Schuerzinger

That's not the first thing the Greeks tried to claim that was not theirs. I am
referring to the fact that there is no such thing as Greek Philosophy. The 
Greeks stole it from the Ancient Egyptians.

Arthur

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