HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tdober@llnl.gov (TDO)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: TV-TS Newsgroup?
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:56:02 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: llnl

In article <1992Sep9.165023.14726@midway.uchicago.edu>,
elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Sep4.095014.1@cua.edu> 75furlong@cua.edu writes:
> >for the record, there is already a soc.gender.issues, which is never used. (i
> >was subscribed to it for a bit until i realized that no one was posting)
> 
> Probably because it doesn't exist.  (Bogus groups which exist only at
> your site aren't much good for conversation.)

Gee, that's funny. This site gets soc.gender-issues. Maybe, just *maybe*
it's not such a "bogus" group after all?

(Yes, I know, the original poster said "gender.issues"; I think
"gender-issues" is close enough.)


> Just another news administrator,

> Ellen Keyne Seebacher            news@uchinews.uchicago.edu

TDO (who is *not* a news administrator, and thinks Ellen's response sounded
more than a little bit testy...)
--
#include "StdDisclaimer.h"

Pain, like time, is going to come on regardless. Question is, what glorious
moments can you win from life in addition to the pain? -- Lois McMaster
Bujold, _Barrayar_
From: mlloyd@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: A nagging question
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:34:43 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <BuMM1K.3JF@news.udel.edu> jcarroll@bach.udel.edu (Royal J Carroll) writes:
>However, I have yet to "cure" myself of a tendency to "overthink" about
>things; that is, I often times think too much about things.  I'm trying
>to think less and act more, but when you have insommnia (and you're
>alone) you tend to spend too many hours thinking about things.  

I was very happy when I discovered that the insomnia and the over-thinking
were both more-or-less direct results of the being alone.  I could
never beat them properly, but once I found people who related well to
me, it all kinda dried up and went away.  I wish you the same luck :-)

E-hugs
Mike
-- 
Mike Lloyd                         | B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k(+) s m- e? 
Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and     | "The Trouble with Normal is it
owner of a one-track mind:         |  Always Gets Worse" - Bruce Cockburn
   "thesis .. thesis .. thesis"    |    (-:   F**k Your Gender!  :-)
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: trainspotting (no longer)
Date: 6 Sep 92 07:35:48 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep06.050457.10928@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
->It's been my experience that when there's one man with a group of women,
->the man gets ignored entirely. 
->Ellen

*grins*

I seem to be an exception.

I tend to get ignored no matter what the makeup of the group is :)

Sorry ... a somewhat fasticious(sp?) mood, I'm afraid.

Happiness tends to do that to me.
(And the 36 (+-) hours of sleep deprivation help :) )

*hugs* to everyone!!

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Roy S. Rapoport					rsr@ocf.berkeley.edu
Disclaimer:  "It wasn't me!! Must have been a fake posting or something!! I
              would NEVER say something like that!!"
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Geraldo - September 11 - Bisexuality - It's official!
Date: 6 Sep 92 01:22:16 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Sep5.025846.6728@fivenine.apple.com> haynes@fivenine.apple.com writes:
+The Geraldo show on Bisexuality with me, my sweetie, Lorraine
+Hutchins, and that-slime-Tom-Smith, will be broadcast on Friday
+September 11th.

I'm not convinced that going on 'Geraldo' is a great way to present
alternative life styles. The impression I get from those I've talked
to who have watched the show, is they watch it as a parade of
freaks, since his reputation is for getting the bizarre in human
experience.


-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Disturbed
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:42:39 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm

In article <iw.715973411@tosser> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Sults) writes:
>tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
>
>>Tanaqui, Member of the Mile High Club, too |-)
>
>An innocent question - what exactly counts as membership to the Mile 
>High Club.

Commercial airliners count, I would imagine.  Do we get extra credit
for biplanes?  (And no, it wasn't worth it and I won't do it again).
--scott
From: Martin.Brooks@gtri.gatech.edu (Martin H. Brooks)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Geraldo show on bi-folk
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:26:34 GMT
Bcc: Martin.Brooks@gtri.gatech.edu

In article <1992Sep11.174015.26950@midway.uchicago.edu>,
   h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair) writes:
> 
> Yeek!  I just saw that Geraldo show on bisexuals. ...

I second that Yeek!
 
> ...  Geraldo wanted to argue that you were either homo or het. ...

I thought it was ridiculous for him to have a show on bisexuality, and then
try to deny that bisexuality exists.  Only Geraldo would have the nerve to act
this clueless!

> Lorraine was almost left out before the questions started, and had to butt
> in to get heard at all.  When she started talking about "heterosexism"
> the audience acted like my dog does when I try to explain the difference
> between the Stoics and the Epicureans to her.  Geraldo either was equally
> stupid or did a good acting job.

Frankly, I don't believe Geraldo is as stupid (or shall we say, clueless) as
he comes across.  I do believe that Geraldo is basically very insincere and
will say just about anything to conform to the general level of ignorance of
his audience.  I'm not an advocate of violence, but to be frankly honest, I
keep getting this urge to slap the shit out of him...

> I want to thank Charles, Janice, and Lorraine for being brave bi activists.

Me, too.  They were practically the only people on that show (audience
included) that I would even care to associate with.  I was especially
impressed with Charles; I thought he expressed himself very well.
 
> Ugh!  I hate mainstream, popular culture.  I want to escape into a hole 
> and listen to every single one of Beethoven's piano sonatas until I feel
> human again.

I can identify with this state of mind, especially after seeing that Geraldo
show.  There must have been this major effort to find the most clueless
audience imaginable for that day's show.

--
Martin Brooks
Atlanta, Georgia, USA

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas)
Subject: Re: whatever . . .
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering - University of Melbourne 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:48:34 GMT

Eric Dynamic writes...

and I don't care what anyone else says; I don't care if I'm seen as letting
down my bi comrades, or being a het-oriented sleaze; Eric, now that he's 
actually clarified what he was talking about (and granted, it was not 
clear at first) speaks for me completely. I certainly couldn't have verbalised
the anger I felt about the thread as well as he.

(Well, ok, maybe I could have done a bit better on the grammar :)

And if that means that *I* get flamed too, tough. Before I stand for what
the groups I am aligned with believe in, I must stand for what I believe in.
My being me takes priority over my being bi. And my being me entails that
I will resent rejection. Even if it's not at all rational, I will say that.
Whether it win me fans or derision. I could have no respect for myself if
all I allowed myself to feel about this thread (which dammit, has kept me
up at nights) was "Yes dear, you know best, and men deserve to be ignored,
too." Well maybe they do. But I'm not going to be blissful about it.

---				
Nick Nicholas: [s]h[r]ug-osexual.  Greek, short, greasy, romantic, and as
B1 f+ t- w s-? e- r-- dr+(+)	   bi as he wants to be. [ObMauveHeptagon]
nsn@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au (IRC: nicxjo).  Likes Cavafy, Mahler, and cashews.
From: angi@festival.ed.ac.uk (Angi Lamb)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: A nagging question
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:49:52 GMT

cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
|Leaving the internalised homophobia inside and instead going back to
|discussing my potential relationships with women... I think it boils
|down to (i) fear of rejection, (ii) fear of becomming emotionally close
|to somebody, and (iii) not looking forward to all the baggage which
|inevitably gets lumped in with relationships. Examples of (iii) are
|as follows:

|	o When I date a woman, I'll meet her friends and I'll have to
|	  pretend to like them even if we don't have anything in common.

If i'm dating someone and find i have nothing in common with their
friends, then i generally don't date them again. Previous experience has
shown me this.

|	o If a guy I vaguely know happens to be going out with a friend
|	  of my potential SO then we'll probably end up going on
|	  double-dates and I'll have to pretend that I like this other
|	  guy even though I have nothing in common with him.

I only double-date if i like all concerned. My time is precious to me. 

|	o She probably has different interests to me and I'll end up
|	  going along with her to things that I am bored with.

All i can say here is why? Life is too short for boredom.

Angi
From: glenn@moeng2.morgan.edu (D. Glenn Arthur Jr.)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: TV-TS Newsgroup?
Date: 4 Sep 1992 21:33:31 -0500
Organization: The Space-Time Fabrication Institute, Rockville, MD.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Sep4.214932.27802@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie writes:
>In <9209041816.AA21819@bessel.umd.edu>
>
>There is no single "best" space to have. Some people will favour a
>mailing list, some a newsgroup, some a local, tolerant pub. 

Oh indeed.  I did not mean to imply that I favour a newsgroup 
_instead_ of a mailing list.  I would like to see a newsgroup 
_and_ the existing mailing lists.  As you suggest.


And thanks for the support!


-- 
D. Glenn Arthur Jr., The Human Vibrator, glenn@bessel.umd.edu
"Being a _man_ means knowing that one has a choice not to act like a 'man'."

How much interest is there in a TV/TS newsgroup?  How many would post there?
You can send me mail anonymously at wi.2743@wizvax.methuen.ma.us (was wi.79)

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: This thread is disturbing to me (Re: whatever )
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:06:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.183302.20172@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lje@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (lisa.j.elser) writes:
>
>I'm a fairly femme looking lesbian with a brown belt in karate.  I'm
>small, thin, rather pretty, and extremely "out" about my lesbianism.
>When the man at work commented to a co-worker of mine that he felt he
>could "change" me and then went out of his way to hang around,
>that was threatening.  When my neighbor kept coming over to ask
>me out, that was threatening.

Neither of these men cared about your feelings in the matter.  If the
neighbor had asked you out once, and after you declined, left it alone,
that would be ok. 
>
>The fact that I could whip the piss out of them doesn't change the
>threat--it only makes it less effective :-)  If they find me attractive,
>that's their business but to insist on forcing their desires
>on me when they know perfectly well that I am unreceptive is wrong.
>In some ways, I find these people more threatening than overt
>harassment by strangers.  I know how to respond to that--I can walk
>away, or I can decide that I am in physical danger and defend
>myself.  Harassment by people I deal with daily is much trickier.
>and sometimes the only thing to do is what worked with my neighbor:
>tell him you think he's an asshole and that he's no longer welcome
>on your property.  Then follow through by calling the police.
>
Yep.  Sometimes you have to be fierce.

>Your "native desires" are not my problem.  

Nope.
>
>Lisa Elser
>UNIX System Labs
>Summit, NJ
>lje@usl.com


-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Guardian Norwich article
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:43:59 GMT
Organization: Eris's Restaurant

In article <X91TqB11w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
>J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:
>> I wonder if I should tell her I'm really gay not bi, it sounds like she could
>> accept that much more easily. The only problem is it's not actually true.
>
>Jon, it sounds to me as if you've made great progress already.  To 
>confuse things with a lie would just make it worse in the long run.  Give 
>your mother time to adjust.  It sounds as if she's getting there.

I agree with Elizabeth here.  Perhaps we should invite her to the next
UK BiCon (Nottingham, next year) so that she could see for herself what
nice people we are?

Oh, and congrats on your bibiochemist! :)

				Kay


-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
From: mlloyd@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: whatever . . .
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:34:51 GMT
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <xxgqb2hs@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>
>		Kay (whose birthday is on Wednesday)

Mike checks clock, realises it's Wednesday back home in Blighty,
and so sends truckloads of birthday wishes in the general direction
of Kay.

May your day be suffused with happiness and good cheese!

:-)
Mike
-- 
Mike Lloyd                         | B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k(+) s m- e? 
Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and     | "The Trouble with Normal is it
owner of a one-track mind:         |  Always Gets Worse" - Bruce Cockburn
   "thesis .. thesis .. thesis"    |    (-:   F**k Your Gender!  :-)
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Norwich
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:20:34 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:

>OK, I admit it, Bethan is one of the cutest people I've ever met. I can
>think of someone cuter - at my previous job. Funnily enough she's also in
>Edinburgh, although I suspect none of you know her. Anyone work at DEC?

No; but I know someone who does ... OK, I know someone who knows someone
who does, but I *have* been for a pint with the first someone.  He's
bound to know her.

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<   ** nice **   \/\/ The Swamp
From: mb2p@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Marco  Bertamini)
Subject: Re: bolli ed Aire
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:32:06 GMT

In article <27745@life.ai.mit.edu> bellutta@stromboli.ai.mit.edu (Paolo Bellutta) writes:
>
>Come, come, come?  Se io non metto i bolli prima di una certa data mi
>tocca pagare una sopratassa?  Ammesso e non concesso che io riesca
>a farmi spedire i bolli dall'italia (lowercase intentional) e li
>schiaffi sul passaporto, non pretenderanno mica che vada giu' fino a
>San Francisco solo per farli annullare?  Ed altrimenti come fanno a
>controllare quando li ho applicati?

sottoscrivo la perplessita' di Paolo. Ma come, adesso uno
deve procurarsi i bolli anche per poter rientrare in Italia?
Di sicuro non era cosi' in passato. 

E cosa vuol dire che i bolli vanno messi prima di una certa
scadenza. Ho sempre pensato che, come i bolli sulla patente,
uno li mette solo se deve usare il passaporto.

Sarebbe interessante se qualcuno potesse chiarire questa
situazione. Un recente posting ha anche suggerito che 
l'iscrizione all'Aire non esenta piu' dal pagamento del
bollo. Is it so?

Beh, io non ho nessuna intenzione di andare a cercare 
il bollo in consolato. Al piu` volero` su Monaco la
prossima volta (l'Europa serve a qualcosa).

ciao,   Marco d'Arco (*)

(*) per evitare confusione con altri Marchi nel
group ho deciso di firmarmi con anche il nome
della mia cittadina di provenienza.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian
From: fgentile@nyx.cs.du.edu (Fabio Gentile)
Subject: Carta Si
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 02:23:13 GMT


Ciao a tutti solo una domanda cos'e' la carta SI????

                            Saluti  Fabio

Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian
From: chizzoni@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (alfredo chizzoni)
Subject: Sempre amato
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 10:29:49 GMT

E' sorprendente che dopo settimane in cui i media parlavano solo di eroica
difesa della lira iera sera tutti i giornalisti ad applaudire alla svalutazione.
D'accordo, io non capisco una fava di economia, ma tutta la storia mi ricorda la
storia dell'accordo del 31 luglio con i sindacati; che , per una promessa del
governo, si sono mangiati scala mobile e contrattazione, un vero affare non
credete ?

Una nota la meritano anche i giornalisti, se questa non e' un'informazione di
REGIME mi chiedo quale sia la definizione migliore.

						Caldamente vostro
							
							Alfredo
From: clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian
Subject: Bravi!
Date: 15 Sep 92 11:11:04 GMT
Reply-To: clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli)
Organization: L'Universita' di Edimburgo

Vedo che la carta del Nord Italia che circolava qui tempo fa sta facendo
strada...

Su alt.fan.warlord (articolo <1992Sep14.171836.17216@sbcs.sunysb.edu>)
Neil Bowers scrive:

| In rec.games.board, bernasco@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (davide bernasconi) signs:
| >
| >------------------------------------------------------------------------
| >                      |   __ Austria          
| >  ___  Switzerland ____\_/  \___ __/              Davide 
| >     \_     __    /             \   Slovenia      Bernasconi
| >       \ __/  \__/      Venice __| ___---         
| >France  |       * Como       +/~~\|\          
| >        |       +            /~~~~~~| Croatia    
| >        |        Milan       /~~~~~~|           
| >        \    ______          \~~~~~~~\         bernasco@ghost.sm.dsi.unimi.it 
| >       ___\_/~~~~~~\  +       \~~~~~~~\       
| >  ----/~~~~~~~~~~~~~\  Florence\~~~~~~~\      
| >~~~~~ Medit. Sea ~~~~\          \~~~~~~~\     
| >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\  Italy   \~~~~~~~\    
| >Autore Gian Uberto Lauri (grazie)
| >-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| 
| Most people stick to including one country in their sig,
| but not Davide, oh no.  He can't make his mind up, and ends up including
| six, though not one is complete, and is therefore useless as a contribution
| to the a.f.w Ascii WorldMap.  Or perhaps he's one of those Northern Italian
| snobs who's too embarrassed to even include Southern Italy in his sig.
| 
| Given the amount of trailing whitespace in there I'm sure the Southerners
| are too upset ...
| 
| -neilb

SOB! Nessuno se n'era mai accorto finche' la distribuzione era limitata
a sci.

P.S. Ho visto due collane di succhiotti ad Edimburgo. Dove si fermera'
l'epidemia?

--
      Claudio Calvelli - email: clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk - tel.: +44-31-6505165
    posta: Rm 1410 JCMB (KB) The University of Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ Scotland
From: dieugeni@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Barbara Di Eugenio)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian
Subject: Interessi del pubblico (Re: precipita aereo italiano in Bosnia)
Date: 7 Sep 92 19:57:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.105141.4217@ctr.columbia.edu>, fabrizio@iei.pi.cnr.it (Fabrizio Sebastiani) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep5.011052.6133@riscsm.scripps.edu> Roberto Burioni,
|> rburioni@riscsm.scripps.edu writes:
|> >Non so se altri italiani in terra americana possano condividere questo
|> mio 
|> >sentimento, ma io ho la grandissima impressione che agli indigeni -
|> gente peraltro
|> >socievole - interessino molto di piu' le previsioni del tempo, i
|> risultati
|> >del baseball ed il contenuto in zuccheri dell'ultima coca-cola di ogni 
|> >sommovimento politico internazionale.
|> 
|> Non so da quanto tu manchi dall'Italia, caro Roberto, ma ti posso
|> assicurare che gli indigeni nostrani sono molto piu' interessati al
|> calcio NON SOLO di ogni sommovimento politico internazionale
|> (ovviamente), ma anche di ogni questione politica nazionale, comprese
|> quelle che risultano in un alleggerimento del portafogli di tutti.  


Beh, Fabrizio, gli Italiani possono sembrare interessati solo al calcio, ma per
lo meno i telegiornali danno delle informazioni su cio' che succede sia in Italia
che nel mondo; e visto che la gente piu' o meno li vede, qualcosa sa. Qui il TG
delle undici -- quello locale -- generalmente inizia, se va bene, con la
vecchietta che e' stata scippata, se va male con la marcia contro malattia X per
le vie della citta' (citta' che e' Philadelphia, non un paesino perso nei campi
di granoturco); poi magari dopo 15 minuti di simili notizie ti raccontano che in
Somalia stanno morendo di fame, e che nell'ex Jugoslavia stanno morendo di guerra
civile.  Tali notizie vengono approfondite per ben 10 secondi, e si passa alle
previsioni del tempo.  Non parliamo di notizie che riguardino l'Italia (anche se
devo dire che, con mia grande sorpresa, avevano detto che quell'aereo era caduto
in Bosnia): Alessandra Mussolini o prima di lei Cicciolina sono le uniche
"notizie" di politica italiana che siano mai state date. 

E non e' che la gente sappia di piu' perche' legge i giornali: la stragrande maggioranza dei quotidiani fa pena, a livelli del "Sun" inglese, ma senza foto 
di fanciulle nude.  

L'unica che si salva e' NPR (National Public Radio), che almeno le notizie le
da', e ha anche dei programmi non male di approfondimento di notizie varie.

Barbara

P.S.: naturalmente recentemente abbiamo sentito tutto delle foto "topless"
di fergie. per fortuna che ci pensano i reali inglesi, a farci arrivare qualche notizia dall'Europa!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian
From: mb2p@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Marco  Bertamini)
Subject: Re: precipita aereo italiano in Bosnia 
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:02:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.193054.1535@dxcern.cern.ch> zip@dxcern.cern.ch (Pietro Zanarini) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.100011.447@cine88.cineca.it> michele@deis21.cineca.it (Michele Favalli) writes:
>>E' precipitato (abbattuto ?) un G222 italiano che trasportava aiuti 
>>per Sarajevo. Elicotteri americani hanno tentato una missione di soc-
>>corso ma non sono potuti atterrare a causa di fuoco antiaereo.         
>
[ ..linee cancellate in cui
Pietro pare sostenere che mandare messaggi con informazioni di
questo tipo e' fuori luogo perche' comunque la notizia sara'
gia' vecchia quando raggiungera' i lettori]


Non so se io sia una eccezione, ma non guardo molta TV
e la notizia dell'abbatimento l'ho letta su Usenet.
(grazie Michele). 
Eppure leggo il Washington Post tutte le mattine.

Forse la netiquette va aggiornata.

Inoltre quando si tratta di fatti cosi' importanti non
e' male ripetersi. Il posting puo' anche essere l'inizio di una
discussione.

Io, per esempio, vorrei chiedere a chi e' piu' informato
se, al di la' degli aiuti umanitari, l'Italia stia cercando
di fare qualcosa a livello diplomatico. In fin dei conti
l'Italia si e' sempre vantata della sua capacita' di
trovare compromessi.

Non dico volare su Sarajevo come a fatto Mitterand, ma
bisognerebbe cercare di battere tutte le strade.
Un'altra proposta sentita recentemente in questo
gruppo (o forse culture.europe) era quella di una massiccia 
rete di informazione via radio e TV su tutto il territorio
yugoslavo (ok, ex-). Le immagine della guerra e notizie
da fonti indipendenti dovrebbero avere un qualche effetto
nell'accorciarla.

ciao,   Marco

p.s. welcome back a tutti gli italiani che si
stanno risintonizzando su questo gruppo dopo
le loro meritate vacanze d'agosto.
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