HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: CGKarras@world.std.com (Christopher G Karras)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Gateway Telepath and 16550 or some other ?
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:24:47 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

huntting@advtech.uswest.com (Brad Huntting) writes:

>In article <sasbge.717128600@ant> sasbge@unx.sas.com (Gantt Edmiston) writes:
>>Additionally, if I have understood the net input correctly, modems with
>>16450 UARTs, are not of concern for the faster CPUs (486-33/50/66).
>>The 16450 has a 1 BYTE buffer while the 16550 has a 16 BYTE buffer.
>>The faster CPUs can keep up with the high speed data transfers without
>>losing data through the 16450.

>Ha!  Mabey if your content to run kermit under DOS, and twiddle your
>thums while a file is transfered.  Even so, there is no PC around which
>can service 57600 interupts per second for an 8250 or a 16450.

>And if you want your PC to have any cycles left over to do real work
>while the serial line is busy at 9600, you need an NS16550.


>brad

>		"NS16550AFN.  Dont leave home without it!"

	Actually, a few internal modems emulate the 16450 in a VLSI chip
and add a good sized buffer to reduce the need for interrupts.  The Intel
SatisFaxtion and Gateway TelePath do this.
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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: wolfgang@netcom.com (Wolfgang Henke)
Subject: Re: DigiScout+ problem
Organization: Netcom
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 08:38:24 GMT

Robert Schien (robsch@robkaos.GUN.de) wrote:
: I can't connect to a Twincomm 14.4/DF with a speed other than 2400bps.
: Is this an error in the Digi?

The Scout+ likes the 2624 DSP ROM for Rockwell based modems.
Send email if you need it.

List of some high speed modems the DSI Scout Plus connects easily to:
(with 2521/2624 ROMs)

Telebit T1600 V.32 (9600)
Telebit T2500 V.32 PEP (9600)
Telebit T3000 V.32bis (14,400)
Telebit Worldblazer V.32bis PEP (14,400)  (PEP answers last)
USR DS 16,800 (14,400)
USR DS V.32bis (14,400)
USR DS V.32 (9600)
ATT Paradyne 3829 V.32bis (14,400)
Supra V.32bis (14,400) 
Digicom Scout V.32 (9600)
Digicom 9624LE+ V.32bis (14,400)
Hayes Ultra V.32bis (14,400)
Hayes Ultra V.32 (9600)
Multitech 9632 V.32 (9600)
Microcom V.32 (9600)
Intel 14400ex V.32bis (14,400)
Forval IM14400 V.32bis (14,400)
ZyXEL U-1496E V.32bis (14,400)
Multitech 14400 V.32bis (14,400) 
TwinCom 14400 D/F V.32bis (14,400)

The value in brackets is the speed the Scout+ connected at with factory
register settings (AT&F). If your modem is not listed, please provide
me with two numbers and I will test the connection for you.  Some
connections over impaired lines force the Scout+ into retraining with
the AT&F settings. Use AT*Q0 to turn signal quality action off in this
case, or AT*Q2 or AT*Q3 to allow fallback and fallforward.



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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: root@kilowatt.uucp (Kilowatt admin)
Subject: Re: taping modem signals
Reply-To: root@kilowatt.UUCP (Kilowatt admin)
Organization: Kilowatt Computing of Deer Park, NY
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:31:29 GMT

>The human ear is not very sensitive to phase distortion so low cost tape
>machines tend to be not very good at accurate reproduction of the
>phase relationships of audio signals.
>Jack Petty
	Oh, that's right. 1200 baud uses Phase shift keying. You'd really
need a GOOD tape machine - VERY LOW wow-and-flutter rating. 2400 too???

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From: muysvasovic@applelink.apple.com (Jean-Denis Muys-Vasovic)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Supra New ROM (ordering info)
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:01:51 GMT
Followup-To: comp.dcom.modems
Organization: Apple Computer Europe

In article <blaby.717741060@sfu.ca>, blaby@fraser.sfu.ca (John Edward
Blaby) wrote:
> 
> Hmm..I notice that the latest upgrade still does not include the
> promised mnp10. Has anyone heard anything about the lately?
> 
> If I am not mistaken, MNP10 is mentioned on the box the modem came in!
> 

ditto for V23!!

Jean-Denis
From: teodor@proxxi.se (Teodor V{{n{nen (proxxi))
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Manufacturers of MNP IC's wanted
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:27:25 GMT
Organization: proxxi

Hi there !

I wonder if there is somebody that knows any manufacturers
of MNP circuits. I'm building a modem, and would like to have
a MNP capability. If you do know about a company that makes
those circuits please mail the adress and/or the telephone 
number to me.. Ev source codes for programs that generated
MNP code are welcome too.. By the way (I don't know if this 
is the right newsgroup for this), where can I get specifications
of following file transfer programs:
-Kermit
-Xmodem
-Ymodem
-Zmodem

So, if you know something about these things, mail it to me.

Teodor V.
E-Mail: teodor@proxxi.se
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: charles@gremlin.muug.mb.ca (Charles)
Subject: Re: Supra SHIPPING New ROMs
Keywords: Supra
Organization: The Haunted Unix Box
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:58:16 GMT

cybapunk@hovel.welly.gen.nz (Phil Ross) writes:

>Supra will be ready to ship this rom to its current customers in a few weeks.

>Many of the enhancements are unique to the Supra V32/V32bis modem and are not

>available from other manufactures who are using Rockwell's v32/v32bis chipset 
>or other v32/v32bis modems/fax modems that are on the market.


This begs the question....Just how similiar are the implmentations of
modems using the Rockwell chipset?  Ie, What are the chances of say
plugging in the Supra ROM to another of the Rockwell chipset modems?

I used to try plugging in PC BIOS's from other chipsets when I couldn't get
an upgraded BIOS for the chipset that needed one, and I had a surprisingly
high success rate, I wonder if it would be the same for modems?
(This was back when AT chip sets were pretty generic, without caching,
shadowing, EMS, etc.)

*** net.moral.police note --- I don't own any Rockwell chipset modems so
the question is purely academic and curiosity.

Charles


Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: aduell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Tony Duell)
Subject: Re: Supra modem power adaptor
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 19:26:00 GMT


_Most_ devices that run off a simple AC power adaptor simply rectify the
AC first, and derive the various supply rails from the resultant DC. I
have however seen devices that would not work correctly from a DC supply - 
1) The miracle technologies Modem Maximiser (Speed buffer/RTC/Printer
port/etc) that you link between a computer/terminal and a modem. This not
only rectifies the AC to porduce the 5V rail, but also has diode/capacitor
voltage multipliers to produce the higher voltages for the RS232 ports
2)  The HP82164A (I think), anyway the HPIL -> RS232 adaptor has a
laminated core transformer in it for producing the +/-12v for the RS232
port. This is driven off the 8v mains adaptor (The same one as for the
other peripherals in the range, the HP71, the HP41 etc)
Neither of these could work off a DC supply.
It's a great pity that manufactures don't publish adequate technical specs
(including schematics) of their products any more.......
-tony 'PDP11 Hacker' Duell
ard@siva.bris.ac.uk
From: wolfgang@netcom.com (Wolfgang Henke)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Scout+
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:40:09 GMT
Organization: Netcom
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Dave McLane (davidg@aegis.or.jp) wrote:
: As a fax modem the situation is a bit iffy. I don't use it for such
: and the people who do say that it will only connect to certain faxes.
: 
: Please note that I am talking about Japan, not the U.S.


If you know a fax number to which you can not connect please email it to
me. I use Dosfax and a Scout+ and know of only one number in St.
Petersburg in Russia, to which I can not connect. MCI is investigating
already why the attenuation exceeded the limits and agreed to a complete
refund of my test calls to the CIS (Confederation of Independent States, the
new name for the former Sovietunion).

I connect internationally to India, Japan, Thailand, Germany quite
easily. I suspect that WinFax is not as reliable as DosFax, but thats
only a hunch at present and not tested yet.


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From: alansar@ccs.northeastern.edu (Mohammad Al-Ansari)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Caller ID
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:58:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U

In article <3858@randvax.rand.org> edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall) writes:
>I (edhall@rand.org) wrote:
>: 1. California does not yet have Caller ID, and may never have it.  This
>:    is a legal issue, not a technical one--many areas in California
>:    already have Central Office gear capable of Caller ID.
>
>I should probably clarify this.  The California PUC has approved Caller
>ID, but put restrictions on it that the phone companies claim are
>unacceptable.  Unless one side or the other gives ground, it is effectively
>unavailable in California.  This is a similar situation to the one another
>netter described in Ohio.

The situation is simillar in Massachusetts as well.

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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.sys.apple2
From: radel@bach.udel.edu (Todd Radel)
Subject: Re: I love Supra! (YO!)
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:48:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.205202.15704@meaddata.com> johnt@meaddata.com (John Townsend) writes:
>Oh, did I forget to say that Supra included a free screwdriver with the
>upgrade? ;-)  Actually, I haven't been promoting their product at all, since
>I'm not presently using their modem on a BBS and the "Fun in the sun..."
>thing was open to everyone who bought Supra peripherals this summer, but I
>do believe in giving positive feedback for outstanding service -- hence the
>above note.  Of course, negative feedback for poor service is important too.

How do I get this neat stuff?  I bought my modem in August -- not directly
from Supra, but still...

And while it is true that their phone support is atrocious (Practical
Peripherals', on the other hand, is wonderful!), the support guys on the
BBS always respond quickly and accurately via private e-mail.

After all, you get what you pay for!


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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: etienne@helix.nih.gov (Etienne T. Lamoreaux)
Subject: Re: Could somebody please post ZyXEL Contest-file ?
Keywords: ZyXEL, Contest
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:42:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.231628.24391@unixg.ubc.ca> admerlev@cipy.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de writes:
>Hi, could please somebody, who retrieved that ZyXEL-Contest
>file from their bbs post it here ?
>Thanx a lot
>Arnd
>
And the ANSI login screen samples too.  I definitely want to buy a ZyXEL
modem as soon as possible.  With that price, of cause.

e-mail: etienne@helix.nih.gov
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: PP14400FXSA & BBS Onliners
Date: 4 Oct 92 14:23:36 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

spyder@admiral.uucp (Eric) writes:

>I recently got my PM14400FXSA working fine, I think on my BBS, except I 
>have had a few problems putting up onliners, without them crashing.  I am 
>runing Celerity, so I can use DOOR.SYS or CHAIN.TXT or pretty much 
>anything....I have tried to put up Global Wars, except it crashes, does 
>anyone know how to fix this?...

I've had a PM14400FXSA for some time, and a friend of mine [The Bear, Bear
Mountain Railroad, (609) 265-1144] just go one for his BBS, a WWIV system.
He had previously been using a Compucom SpeedModem, and had the game speed
locked at 2400 or 9600.  This caused problems when people connected at
speeds _above_ 9600.  The solution in his case was to set the game speed at
the highest baud rate possible, as flow control will slow it down accordingly
for slower connections, but can't speed it up for faster ones.  He ended up
setting the game speed at 19200, and another friend who has a Supra 14.4
tested it at 19200, 14400, 9600, 2400, and 1200, with no problems.  If I had
a UART socket on my com board, I'd drop in a 16550 and call up at 38.4 just
to see if it killed it... ;) ;)

-Shag
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From: ree88132@zach.fit.edu (Keith Ledig)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: USRobotics dual 14.4 upgradable to v.fast?
Date: 22 Sep 92 12:02:58 GMT
Organization: Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne USA

Could someone please e-mail me the answer 2 this question,
can my USRobotics dual standard (that is v.32bis, 14.4 HST
large footprint model) be upgraded to v.fast?

I know the newer ones can, but how about the older ones?
Mine is not FAX.  It does have ASL.  Wish I had the modem #
with me.  Thanks


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From: lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: V.25bis Modems
Keywords: V.25 bis X.25
Date: 4 Oct 92 21:56:38 GMT
Organization: cic

stevenf@m2xenix.psg.com (Steven Frazier) writes:


>I am looking for a MFG/model number for a V.25 bis Modem for use on x.25.
>Could someone email me a MFG and model number that runs v.25 bis?

Perheps you should have explained why you want a V.25bis modem for
X.25. From the little you wrote I can't make out a reason.

V.25bis modems have been used in Germany some years ago before the
Postal Authorities decided they can live with (horrid!) Hayes' AT.

There are some modems sold in Germany that accept V.25bis commands
as well as AT commands. Given that most of these are from German
manufacturers that probably do not sell to the US (? where *is*
m2xenix.psg.com?) market, I suggest you talk to Racal Milgo,
the only international company I remember from the small
list of manufacturers of V.25bis modems.
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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: radel@bach.udel.edu (Todd Radel)
Subject: Re: 40% Discount of ZyXELs
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:09:12 GMT

In article <1015346.2AD172AE@cmhgate.fidonet.org> Adam.Frix@p18.f20.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix) writes:
>geee....ummmm....last I checked, I can't do ANSI graphics on my Mac.  And of
>course since I run TeleFinder for my BBS, the fancy graphic was done in a
>proper graphics program and appears to the user when he launches the
>TeleFinder/User software, not when logging on.

Well, as far as I'm aware, Z-Term 0.90 and above will do color ANSI and
even IBM graphics chars. with no problem.  The co-sysop of my BBS has
a Mac IIci.  He had a lot of trouble calling in until he switched to
Z-Term.  Lots of other neat features, too.

>I guess the Zero One Networking folks are under the same illusion that US
>Robotics is--that the world contains nothing but DOS machines.
Well, no, but the fact is that the vast majority of hobbyist BBS sites are
indeed DOS machines.  This isn't to say I agree with DOS-centrism:  I've
been working hard to get a BBS running under Linux.  For the time being,
I've had to give up though.  :-(

>I wonder if giving Tyrone a call and explaining the situation would help.  The
>whole 40% discount thing looks just like the "competitive upgrade" deals from
>Microsoft et al., anyway--just an excuse to lower prices temporarily.
Yup, it sure does.

Hey, this gives me an idea:  maybe Hayes should sponsor a "design the best
ANSI/TIES login screen".  Imagine that:  anyone with an inferior modem
(i.e. one made by a manufacturer who doesn't bow down to Dennis Hayes) 
wouldn't be able to login.  Wouldn't that be a scream?  

Note for the humor-impaired:  :-) :-)

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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Caller ID
From: rlm@surfcty.com (Robert McMillin)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 06:38:31 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Surf City Software, Orange, Calfornia - DUDE!

johnt@meaddata.com (John Townsend) writes:

> In article <3856@randvax.rand.org>, edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall) writes:
> |> In article <1aftk0INNhc@sal-sun25.usc.edu> dliao@sal-sun25.usc.edu (David 
> |> >I have a ZyXEL 1496E with caller ID.  I want to experiment the caller id
> |> >feature.  Unfortunately, the manual doesn't provide any information on it
> |> >Do I need get caller id service from the telephone company?  or the calle
> |> >id works without the service?  
> |> 
> |> 1. California does not yet have Caller ID, and may never have it.  This
> |>    is a legal issue, not a technical one--many areas in California
> |>    already have Central Office gear capable of Caller ID.
> |> 
> |> 2. The phone company would need to "turn on" Caller ID.  Otherwise the
> |>    identifying information simply isn't sent to you.  So you'd have
> |>    to pay for it in any case, if it were available.
> 
> Here in Ohio, the state Public Utilities Commission has approved Caller ID, b
> attached so many stipulations to its use (e.g. callers must be given the
> ability to prevent their names and numbers from being sent to the callee), th
> Ohio Bell has decided that it wouldn't do customers any good and is refusing 
> implement it.  I agree with Ohio Bell -- as far as I'm concerned, I should
> always be able to know who I'm talking to, and when someone initiates a
> communication with me they waive their right to privacy by definition -- but 
> think Ohio Bell should go ahead and implement what they can and allow the for
> of public opinion to take its course.  If you would like to get this feature,
> I'd strongly suggest that you call your telephone company and state public
> utilities regulatory commission and let them know what you think.
> 

Let's be a little careful about what we call "privacy" and what we call
"anonymity".  CNID merely displays the caller's phone number, which,
like an e-mail address, gives a path back to the caller for the callee
to respond to.
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: colinm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (MANNING)
Subject: How to create ANSI banner for Zyxel promo?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:36:02 GMT

Hello,

Here's a question out of complete ignorance...

The 40% discount promo that Zyxel is offering requires an ANSI
banner for their BBS.  What I'm wondering, is how do I create
this banner?

Do I need special software to do so?  And if I do, can I get it
from somewhere for free (download it)?

Any help will be greatly appreciated.  

I'm borrowing a friend's account so if you reply, I'd appreciate
a header saying that the message is for me.  Thanks much.

Kulpreet

Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: harding@sun444.nas.nasa.gov (Steve Harding)
Subject: Re: taping modem signals
Keywords: record modem audio
Organization: NASA/Ames Research Center
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 21:01:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.051300.20552@bilver.uucp> bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) writes:

>Yes it can be done.  As a matter of fact there was a company in
>Washington state - I want to say MicroConnection or
>MicroPeripherals, or something similar - who made a 300 bps
>auto-answer modem in the 1980/81 time frame.   

MicroPeripheral Corporation, Redmond, WA.  They even had a radio program
that discussed software, had interviews, and bursted short programs
to be copied via tape.

>There was a port on the modem with a mini-phone jack.  You
>could 'transmit' a program to tape, mail the tape, and the far
>party could play the tape and 'receive' the data.
>
>In the early 80's phone calls were more expensive and to move
>large programs over phone lines got a bit expensive.  And this
>was cheaper than diskette often-times.

Weren't too many disk drives within the pocket book range of most home
users.  That's why tape was so popular.

>It also permitted exchange of ASCII data among non-compatible
>machines - which in those days were usually TRS80 Model I's,
>Commodore PET's, Apple II's and a flock of S-100 variants.

I had one hooked to my Atari 800.

steve
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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: yenchee@csie.nctu.edu.tw (Yeng-Chee Su)
Subject: Re: Supra SHIPPING New ROMs
Organization: Computer Science & Information Engin., Chiao-Tung U, Taiwan, ROC
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:02:39 GMT

Phil Ross (cybapunk@hovel.welly.gen.nz) wrote:
: Jinmo Ahn <ja2f+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
: 
: > 
: > 
: > What does these new ROMs offer other than caller ID?
: 
:                   SUPRA TECHNICAL SUPPORT BULLETIN
: 
:                STATUS AND ENHANCEMENTS TO V32BIS ROM (1.2G)
: 
:                               8/29/92
: 
  This information has been out of date.  The newest rom version is 1.2H/J.
1.2J include all the function describe in the previous post, and 1.2H doesn't
has a caller id.  Registered American user can get the 1.2H for free charge
and 1.2J for $19.95.

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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: RUTGES_ASS@rugb38.bdk.rug.nl (ass. A.Rutges (I&O))
Subject: HELP! I deleted my modem dictionary! : (( Who can help?
Organization: Faculty of Management Studies, University of Groningen (NL)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 16:05:27 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

Hi All,

Yesterday, lightning struck in my happy VMS existence.... I did a 
DEL *.*;*, in which operation I deleted a modem dictionary, I 
dowloaded a few days earlier.

Is there someone here, who could point me to FTP sites where I 
can download a decent modem dictionary? Or if somebody has 
a file of this kind on-line, I would be very pleased, if I could get
a copy through e-mail.

Thank you all for the help.

Tijs Coumans
Computer Simulation + VAX/VMS Expert
Faculty of Management Studies, University of Groningen (The Netherlands)
Mail: RUTGES_ASS @ RUGB38.BDK.RUG.NL
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