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From:         "(Coban Tun)" <tun@QUARK.SFSU.EDU>
Subject:      Illegial logging in Asia

RTf  11/10 0027  Illegal logging costs millions in Asia - report

    SYDNEY, Nov 10, Reuter - Illegal logging is rife in southeast Asia and
costing nations millions of dollars daily in revenue and tax income, the World
Wide Fund for Nature said.
    Releasing a year-long study based on data culled from governments,
foresters, academics and non-government organisations, the conservation group
said illegal logging was proceeding despite laws in many countries.
    "Over the last decade, millions and in some cases billions of dollars have
been lost in foreign exchange, uncollected forestry-related charges and foregone
forest resources through illegal timber trade," said study author, Debra
Callister.
    "Hundreds of thousands of hectares of forest, containing millions of cubic
metres of timber, have been logged annually either illegally, or to supply the
illegal trade," Callister said in the report.
    Worth an annual US$8 billion, trade in tropical timber is too profitable for
some companies to pay strict attention to local laws, where these laws exist,
she said.
    The report details illegal sawmills in Burma which cut Thai timber and sell
it back across the border to Thailand -- where logging is forbidden -- as
Burmese wood.
    The report said that in one year 179,600 hectares of forest were logged over
and above the area allowed in Malaysia, and that four million cubic metres of
logs were smuggled out of the Philippines to Japan, South Korea and Taiwan
over a 10-year period.
    A Phillipine government study found that US$5 million was lost daily through
illegal logging and other forestry malpractices.
    Malaysia is so worried about illegal logging in its Sarawak and Sabah states
on the island of Borneo that it is using satellite imagery to track it down.
    Thailand estimates that 2.5 million cubic metres of illegal logging takes
place in the country annually.
    "Tropical forest countries in this region cannot halt the illegal trade
alone," Callister told a news conference. "Consuming countries...and industry,
have an obligation to help find effective solutions."
    In Indonesia last year, a forestry company was f

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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:43:33 CST
From:         Wang Yung Lik <wangyl@STU.BELOIT.EDU>
Subject:      continue ...
              92 7:52 pm

Hi ... there ...again ...
Forgot to tell you my name!
Yung Lik Wang and my email id is wangyl@stu.beloit.edu
got that?
Say ... where are you writing from?

Yung Lik
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:51:16 -0500
From:         Nhan Tran <tran@PEORA.SDC.CCUR.COM>
Subject:      NEWS/VN: VN protests over Khmer Rouge killings

11/11

VIETNAM PROTESTS OVER KHMER ROUGE KILLINGS

    HANOI, Nov 12, Reuter - Vietnam condemned Khmer Rouge guerrillas for the
"barbarous massacre" of 11 Vietnamese fishermen in Cambodia last month, saying
the Maoist rebels were bent on destroying a United Nations peace plan.
    U.N. authorities who are trying to implement the peace plan have said Khmer
Rouge soldiers were seen leading the fishermen, their hands bound, into a
forest on October 3.
    The 11 were later found dead from shots to the head, most likely fired at
close range, said a spokesman for the U.N. Transitional Authority in Cambodia
(UNTAC). Three other Vietnamese fishermen are missing, believed killed.
    The Vietnam-Cambodia Friendship Association in Hanoi issued a declaration
on Wednesday condemning the Khmer Rouge for the killings and for ignoring
international requests that it comply with the U.N. peace plan by disarming and
respecting free elections.
    "...The fact that the Khmer Rouge continue to carry out barbarous massacres
of Vietnamese residents in Cambodia... is a gross challenge to the law and
international opinion, hinders the peace process in Cambodia, and destroys
friendship and cooperation between the Vietnamese and Cambodian people," said
the declaration, quoted by the state-run Vietnam News Agency.
    The Khmer Rouge is the only one of four warring groups -- including two
other guerrilla factions and the Cambodian government -- to refuse to disarm,
to allow its guerrillas to be placed in cantonments and to help the U.N.
organise elections.
    The murder of the fishermen was the latest attack by the Khmer Rouge on
ethnic Vietnamese in Cambodia. UNTAC says the guerrillas have waged a campaign
of racial hatred against Vietnamese settlers.
    Invading Vietnamese troops toppled a Khmer Rouge government in January 1978
that had wiped out more than a million Cambodians by execution, starvation or
disease since taking power in 1975.
From: 21monteraste@cua.edu
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Subject: help
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:47:12 GMT
Organization: The Catholic University of America

Is there any one out there from Wyoming?
Does anyone know someone from WYO???

BENITO
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:37:35 EST
From:         Amanda Rushing <RUSHING@BITNIC.BITNET>
Subject:      CREN September Board Minutes
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TO:     BITNEWS

DATE:   November 16, 1992

RE:     CREN Board Meeting


The CREN Board of Trustees held a board meeting on September 22, 1992,
in Washington, DC.  The following board members were in attendance:
Doug Bigelow, Ron Briggs, Mimi Drake, Ira Fuchs, Ben Klein, Suzanne
Johnson, Matt Korn, Phil Long, Gerry MacDonald, Dennis Ritchie,
Marty Solomon, and Mark Strawcutter.

General business, including a report on the contractor's activities
since the last board meeting, and membership were covered during the
first part of the meeting.  Discussion then proceeded to the
LISTSERV IP and White Pages projects, with the Board passing a
resolution for President Fuchs to negotiate the development of
a "portable" LISTSERV, and referring the White Pages project to
the Customer Services and Relations Committee (CS&R) for further
discussion.

The CS&R, Nominating and Technical committees then reported on
their activities and future projects.

To obtain a copy of the September 22, 1992 Minutes, please send
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Subject:      Re: VMS CONDIST November 92 - fyi 1

Date sent:  20-NOV-1992 12:39:31
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        [deleted body]

Hi, I just searched through this and the other listing for the string, ALPHA.
Didn't find it.  Coming shortly, or coming ..., or........


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From: NCLARKE@DRUNIVAC.DREW.EDU (Neil Clarke)
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Subject: CLSG
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:07:37 GMT
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From what I have been hearing recently, the rumor of CLSG becoming something
we have to pay for is true.  I was hoping this wasn't true, but discussion
at the EDUCOM conference seemed to indicate that although nothing was yet
completed, it was going to happen.  Needless to say, a lot of us aren't all
that pleased.  No free ride speeches please, I understand your situation.

I have also been told to expect a "fair" solution and that small universities
are not going to get run into the ground.  It should be interesting to see
where the chips really fall.  You've been good to us in the past, so for now
I'll trust the statement.

This change is leaving me with a major problem.  Like everyone else, my budget
is not growing and fat is hard to come by.  I am expected to prepare a budget
for my department within the next couple of weeks and *need* to know what you
are doing or I may end up without this service.

While I at this, is there any chance of an educational hardware maintenance
policy?

   -Neil

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From:         "Mark K. Miller 814-863-7015" <MAX@PSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Technical questions on TEI-L

Steve Moss asks:
>Given that these questions are off-topic, I (and I am
>sure others) do need a place to ask them.  Suggestions?

I'm a firm believer of formal support mechanisms.  Institutions choosing to
participate in the ESL can, obviously, call the DEC support centers.  Even
without participating in the ESL, you may be able to get your local sales
support person to address your concerns.  Since your question clearly states
that you understand the need for support, I'd have to believe you have made
some provision to satisfy your support needs.

For those who do not believe in formal support mechanisms (the dissension is
invariably due to cost or competency issues,) the network of friendly peers
is about your only alternative.  This can mean anything from a "guru" on your
very own campus, or participants in the INFOVAX conference, or posting to
some appropriate usenet group, or even sending your questions to PSI-L (the
para-psychology discussion list) to see if any answers are inspired there.
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:35:00 GMT
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From:         "Thomas J. Klotzbach" <0003751365@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Is Layered Product Support required for software if you use
              CSLG?

    Hi,

    A few months back, I sent a question to this list asking if Layered Product
Support (LPS) was required for carrying Media and Documentation Distribution
Service (MDDS) if our site was a CSLG (v2.7) subscriber.

    I have received a tenative answer from our local DEC contract person.  We
have been told that in our case (2 standalone systems - a MicroVAX 3600 and a
VAX 4000-300) VMS SSS must be carried on the highest rated system AND LPS must
also be carried on the highest rated system in order for MDDS to be carried and
this applies for EACH installed product that you want MDDS carried on.

*******************************************************************************
Thomas J. Klotzbach                   MCI Mail: 375-1365
Genesee Community College             Internet: 3751365@mcimail.com
Batavia, NY 14020                               klotzbtj@snybufva.cs.snybuf.edu
                                      Work: (716) 343-0055 x358
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From:         Ta Fuh Chiam <chiam@VULCAN.CBA.OHIOU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Technical questions on TEI-L

>Given that these questions are off-topic, I (and I am
>sure others) do need a place to ask them.  Suggestions?

There are various places you can ask. For VAX stuff, try INFO-VAX@SRI.COM. For
PATHWORKS, try LANWORKS@MIAMIU.BITNET. And of course, you can join DECUServe,
the VAX NOTES conferencing system for DECUS members, which is accessible via
TYMNET or the Internet.

Ta Fuh Chiam
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Ta Fuh Chiam
Ohio University, College of Business Administration / Phone: (614)593-2088
Management Information Systems                        FAX:   (614)593-0319
Copeland Hall 22                   INTERNET : chiam@vulcan.cba.ohiou.edu
Athens, Ohio 45701, U.S.A.            or    : chiam@ouvaxa.ucls.ohiou.edu
                                   BITNET   : CHIAM@OUACCVMB
                          Use my first Internet address if at all possible.
Disclaimer: What I have said are my opinions, not of anyone else.
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From:         Ta Fuh Chiam <chiam@VULCAN.CBA.OHIOU.EDU>
Subject:      RE: DECUServe on Internet

>In a message you put out, you said people could get to DECUServe via Internet.
>HOW?

Since this may be of interest to many people, I am posting it here.

To get to DECUServe on the Internet, simply Telnet to EISNER.DECUS.ORG. You can
log in as INFORMATION (no password required) to get more information.


If you have access to Internet mail, you can receive a DECUServe Application
form directly.  Send mail to  application@eisner.decus.org  - the mail text
may be blank.  If the mail subject includes the characters PS, you will
receive a PostScript file; if the subject includes LN03, you will receive
an LN03 print file; otherwise, you will receive a text file in the reply.

>I appreciate your help on the TEI-L conference.

I think we all need help. Just doing my part. :-)

Ta Fuh Chiam
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Ta Fuh Chiam
Ohio University, College of Business Administration / Phone: (614)593-2088
Management Information Systems                        FAX:   (614)593-0319
Copeland Hall 22                   INTERNET : chiam@vulcan.cba.ohiou.edu
Athens, Ohio 45701, U.S.A.            or    : chiam@ouvaxa.ucls.ohiou.edu
                                   BITNET   : CHIAM@OUACCVMB
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:25:00 EST
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From:         "Themistoklis I. Pentakalos"
              <MIS5000%UMBCADMN.BITNET@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
Subject:      Digital Pricing Policy

Hello everyone,

        I noticed that there was some confusion over the new TEI pricing
and have not seen any solid answers. If someone has indeed replied to
this matter, please ignore the remaining message. What follows is a series
of quotes from a DEC contract representative:

"DEC has recently started its new DEC Pricing Policy (DPP) which attempts
 to bring down "commodity priced" items to the current street level."

"Although there is no discount for regular buyers, DEC will investigate
 any price quotations made in the past regarding a sertain item, and will
 chose the lowest price offered."

"The 30% discount for TEI has been deleted and is now replaced by an
 educational discount of 7%, referred to as an "Item Allowance Amount.""

"It turns out that the majority of the items now included under the
 DPP are in fact more expensive than they were with the previous higher
 prices minues the 30%. However, DEC will compare prices before and after,
 and will pick the best bargain. "

        Like I said, the above are quotes of a DEC contract representative.
I found this out after requesting a quote for new hard drives for our VAXes.
Here's my scenario:

        (For hard drive model RF72E)

- 5 weeks ago, I was given a quote of $5,560.00
  After our 30% educational discount, this came down to:        $3,892.00

- Today, I was given a quote under the new DDP price
  of $4,169.00.  After our 7% allowance amount, this came
  down to:                                                      $3,877.00
                                                                ---------
Regarding the above figure, this is what my rep said:

"Well, it looks like in this case, unlike most others, the DPP price
 is actually less. It seems that the pricing people actually did a very
 good job with the pricing of the drives."

        Yep.... A very good job.... $3,892 - $3,877 = $15.00

        I am so glad to see my favorite company take great big strides
towards becoming a competitor for the next decade.

        Anyone have the number for SUN Microsystems?

        Themos Pentakalos
        University of Maryland



P.S.    Please note that my contract rep actually did a great job of
        providing me with speedy and accurate information...
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From:         Stephen Tihor 212 998 3052 <TIHOR@NYUACF.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Is Layered Product Support required for software if you use
              CSLG?

That sounds like a fairly bad policy -- of course it won;t matter if DEC
changes that part of the TEI dramatically but it if it continues then it
would seem rather pointless to require useless phone support to just get
media.  One may well find it cheaper to join the current ESL for minimal
systems jhust to get the CDroms then.

Although not worth the effort I also suspect the legal theory from the TAB card
case which forced IBM to unbundle a useful thing from a useless thing might
also apply, unless the sourt decides that you shoudl just dump DEC and buy say
SUN (or HP or IBM.)
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From:         Stephen Tihor 212 998 3052 <TIHOR@NYUACF.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CLSG

I for one am greatly saddened at the probably fatal illness of the TEI
programs.   It will force us to move more towards other vendors who are
prepared to compete more strongly for the educational market.  I still have
hopes that Digital will recognize the long term value of leadership in the
Education market and the importance of maintaining those programs with small
marginal cost such as CSLG.  Hopefully the net CSLG+ESL price will not rise or
DEC -- which still actually warentees software as not just being dirty magnetic
media -- will improve software quality enough that software support will no
longer be needed.
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:30:21 -0500
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From:         RJHERBOLD@GALLUA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: TEI for Alpha

I do not know if you know this but it looks like DEC will be charging for CSLG
soon. Please keep the ultrix users in mind should this comes to it.

Bob
From: fineberg@wupost.wustl.edu (Charles M. Fineberg)
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Date: 19 Nov 1992 17:46:21 -0600
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>Given that these questions are off-topic, I (and I am
>sure others) do need a place to ask them.  Suggestions?

And for other people who track this via usenet there is comp.os.vms
and the vmsnet heirarchy.  I believe that info-vax is gatewayed
to comp.os.vms.
	Charlie
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From:         "W. Todd Wipke" <wipke@SECS.UCSC.EDU>
Subject:      TEI for Alpha

As DEC begins charging for CSLG portfolios, it should be kind to customers
that have VMS, ULTRIX, and ALPHA.  The complexity of this period in time
of DEC operating systems is difficult already, and has a cost to users.
If DEC can somehow slide ALPHA in with VMS/ULTRIX for TEI, and not make it
a separate cost portfolio for those already in one or the other of the
VMS/ULTRIX portfolios, it would spread joy through the community and ease
the other pains of transition.
     It would also be nice to know how ConDist and OLD are going to work for
ALPHA versus VMS and Ultrix.

Todd Wipke, UC Santa Cruz
wipke@secs.ucsc.edu