HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Mike Pearl <mpearl@pes.com>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Automatic UUDecoder f
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 21:05:43 EST
X-Maildoor: WaflineMail 1.00r

JN>Path: pes!uunet!infoserv!momad!taz
  >From: taz@momad.li.ny.us (Jon Nowak)
  >Newsgroups: alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.d,alt.binaries.pictures.d,alt.bina
  >Subject: Re: Automatic UUDecoder for DOS/WAFFLE
  >Message-ID: <iJpOrAMGBh107h@momad.li.ny.us>
  >Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 23:47:30 -0500
  >Reply-To: taz@momad.li.ny.us
  >Organization: Modem Madness BBS    1+516-295-9435
  >Lines: 12

JN>Does anyone have a program that automatically goes through a news.group and
  >UUDecodes the multi-part binaries?  Perl script, batch file, or something...
  >for DOS and Waffle BBS (Although I guess anything for DOS would work with a 
  >tweaking)

How do you run Perl scripts in dos?

        Michael
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 * QMPro 1.01 90-0040 * /l{++h+$ C*hanks for hanging up, dear.
From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Bad headers (was Re: Helldiver is awesome!)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 04:30:51 MST
Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada
X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.98

vince@halcyon.com (Vince Skahan) writes:

> carlos@carlos writes:

>> /   /__/ /_ ) /   /  / /_  // | carlos@infoserv.com  carlos@dorsai.com
> 
> Carlos, if you look at the attribution above, you'll see that your system
> is putting out garbage headers (carlos@carlos???).  You might want to take
> a look at the static file setup.

it's a known conflict between what infoserv needs and what helldiver
expects - Rhys knows about it and will have to find a way to work around
it sensibly...

> Since you list yourself as an infoserv.com customer and I know they used to
> provide an old Waffle already set up, you might get help from them if you
> get lost...but the headers your stuff is putting out are unreply-able...

but the Reply-To: line is keeping everyone happy.

just for everyone's information, or people wondering why their mail hadn't
been bouncing.
-- 
Russell Schulz  russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca  ersys!rschulz  Shad 86c
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: vince@halcyon.com (Vince Skahan)
Subject: Re: WHERE IS HELLDIVER
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:33:08 GMT

pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:

>doug@aptzero.lonestar.org (Doug Gault) writes:

>> After hearing all this about goings on about HELLDIVER, I decided to jump
>> on the ole male (er.. mail) server and get it for myself.. but when 
>> I tell halcyon to send it to me, it said that it is not found.. 

>Interesting.  I sent a message to halcyon two days ago, asking for
>Helldiver to be mailed to me, and I have received no response
>whatsoever. I suspect that the mail server is not functioning properly,
>and that whoever normally keeps an eye on it is still away for the
>holidays.

wrong. the mailserver is up and chugging away. Somebody just grabbed Helldiver
via mail yesterday.

>Helldiver is definitely in the waffle/news subdirectory at halcyon. Last
>week I watched a friend of mine dial up his workplace computer from
>home, connect to halcyon, and ftp a copy of Helldiver from there.
>(However, he was unable to download it to his home machine without
>errors, which is why I still don't have a copy.)

Pat, I checked the logfiles and you don't show up ever requesting any files
at the address in your posting during December.  I might add that if anybody
has problems getting mail-server requests, that you can mail to me here
and I'll look into it for you.

Since this kind of thing comes up periodically, I save EVERY request mail
message so I can track things down.  I also have all the logfile entries 
since we turned on the mail server in early October...


The one thing people have to realize is that we (Ralph and his files area 
gnome, me...) don't control the mail setup between here and remote sites, nor
do we control the headers on your mail messages...meaning that if you send mail
to the server with unreplyable headers, you won't get a response because it'll
bounce somewhere in between. Typically, you can see this kind of thing if people
route their mail through Internet sites if the sender uses un-domainized headers
(the effect is that a bogus domain frequently gets added by the intermediate 
internet site....making the mail unreplyable).

actually, I don't even want to SEE bounces, so I have the mailserver set to
quietly delete all fileserver jobs that bounce back here due to problems on
the sender systems.

But now that that's settled...helldiver is in waffle/news/helld107.zip
on halcyon.com


-- 
   ------------------- Vince Skahan ------ vince@halcyon.com ----------------
    ... to list Waffle files available from the mail server at halcyon.com,
            send mail to 'fileserv@halcyon.com' with the text 'index' ...
From: larry@Birdsong.Suvl.CA.US (Lawrence T. Hardiman)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Update on Helldiver
Date: 28 Dec 92 15:38:17 GMT
Reply-To: larry@Birdsong.Suvl.CA.US
Organization: The Birdsong Company, PO Box 2031, Sunnyvale CA 94087-2031

In <1FygwB1w165w@berry.Cary.NC.US> pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:
>rhys@cs.uq.oz.au (Rhys Weatherley) writes:
>>                                           It's also possible that a DOS
>> version of Helldiver will be available too, but since Helldiver is very
>> memory-hungry, this may be difficult.  I have no idea when this re-write
>> will be available, but hopefully within the first few months of 1993.
>OS/2!  OS/2!  OS/2!
>A totally awesome newsreader deserves a totally awesome operating system
>to run under, don't you think?  :-)
>-- 
>Pat Berry - Cary, North Carolina, USA   |  "The leading cause of death among
>pat@berry.Cary.NC.US                    |  fashion models is falling through
>**** Happy user of OS/2 2.0 ****        |  street grates." -- Dave Barry

OS/2? Really, Pat. Not to disparage OS/2. So, let's not get into a 
"mine's bigger'n yours" argument.

Lessee here? What is the agenda? ...Cary, NC. Ahhh? Is that where the 
IBM company has a development laboratory for OS/2 stuff???

Ahhh? Pat, do you work for the IBM company?

Should the last line of your signature block read:

**** Happy employee of IBM *** ...

Just seeking "full disclosure".

Regards,
  larry.

-- 
--
Larry@Birdsong.Suvl.CA.US
From: phil@miracle.com (Phil Hill)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: The woes of ^Z
Date: 27 Dec 92 11:08:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: miracle.27Dec92070848
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe) writes:
>Thank you for your insightful analysis of my understanding of computer I/O.
>You'll have to forgive me, but I'm not altogether sure that you got my point.
>Raw mode is faster because it does less, and some of the less that it does 
>(such as newline checking), Waffle needs.  If the file system doesn't find 
>the newlines, then Waffle has to find them, presumably in a second scan of 
>the incoming character stream.  I'd be surprised if Waffle could do this 
>search as quickly as the file system (which has to count the characters any-
>way) could do it.  But as you say, what do I know?

It doesn't matter who does newline scanning, it all costs the same.
Scanning for a newline is very simple, and only takes an additional
few instruction.  It's the same instructions if the DOS kernel does
the scanning or if Waffle does the scanning.

The real question is: "Is it work the programmers time to correct the
situation?" Doing your own newline scanning involves writing and
debugging more code. 

>>The use of text mode was a *LAZY* decision (or an ommission, cause Tom for-
>>got about ^Z processing).  It doesn't change the fact that it is a BUG.
>
>I don't know Tom personally, but you're the first person I ever heard call
>him lazy or forgetful.  I wish all the commercial software that I use were as 
>reliable as Waffle.

I didn't call Tom lazy or forgetful, I said he made a lazy or a forgetful
decision.  Look at it this way: Waffle runs on Unix and DOS.  Tom wants it
to run the same on the two operating systems.  A ^Z in a news record is
treated differently on the two OS's.  So one of the following is True:

	A:	Tom is unaware of the problem.

		1)	Tom *forgot* that the defaults for OPEN were differnt
			on DOS or UNIX.
		2)	Tom is unaware of the difference.
			(Considering the scope of a project like Waffle, it's
			 very unlikely that Tom hasn't run across this before)

	B:	Tom decided not to fix the problem.

		1)	Tom decided that it wasn't worth his effort.  (in other
			words: he was *lazy* - especially because he didn't
                        bother to document the difference)

		2)	Tom couldn't figure out how to fix the problem
			(Another unlikely event, Tom seems to be a good
			 programmer, and this is a simple problem).
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From: djk@boombox.apana.org.au (David Keegel)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp,comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 09:13:49 +1100
Reply-To: David.Keegel@apana.org.au
Organization: Private site, Melbourne, Australia.

In <1992Dec24.185932.29142@sol.UVic.CA> klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen) writes:
>Then, every query will return an **authoritative** "not found" result.
>A "smart" name-server will put the "not found" response into its cache,
>and will never bother the root name-server for a long time!

Last time I looked, BIND didn't support caching negative information.
If it does (or you have DNS server code which does!), do tell.

-- 
<David.Keegel@apana.org.au>  <werple!tuple!boombox!djk>  Tel: +61 3 593-1460
aka: djk@boombox.apana.org.au, djk@cs.mu.oz.au.  Formerly: djk@bby.com.au.
From: abolins@visavis.cam.org (August Abolins)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: .QWK mail reader for Waffle
Date: 25 Dec 92 04:51:11 GMT
Organization: Vis-a-Vis Communications [Ontario+Quebec]

nrc@cbnews.cb.att.com (N. Richard Caldwell) writes:

> Rhys's format?  Would this be the Helldiver format posted recently?
> I don't doubt for a second that it's technically superior to QWK,
> that's not hard to do in this case.  Unfortunately, technical 
> superiority doesn't mean a whole lot if my users can't use it.  Where
> are the readers?  Where are the doors?
> 
>           ... Any completely new format that has no reader support and
> no doors to produce the packets has two strikes against it from the
> outset.

Excellent point.


---  August Abolins  --------------[ abolins%visavis@nyongwa.cam.org ]---
From: dwrage@ddt-archives.athens.oh.us (David William Wrage)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Automatic UUDecoder f
Date: 30 Dec 92 00:27:50 GMT
Organization: * DDT Archives BBS *

> Don't know about you, but I use Perl to run 'em. ;->
> 
> Directory PD1:<MSDOS.PERL>
>  Filename   Type Length   Date    Description
> ==============================================
> PERL419X.ZIP  B  435591  920317  Len Reed's port of Unix Perl v4.19
> 
> It's a good tool for Waffle, too... I have a bunch of Perl programs that
> I use here at the Villa.  Everything from expire to making a default
> newbie's join file.

Here's where my ignorance will show...  What is Perl and what can I use it for?
 Before I spend the time downloading it... that is...

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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 SysOp of DDT Archives BBS
 614/594-6588 at 2400 Baud        WWIVlink....1@16471     WWIVnet.....1@6471
From: tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Update on Helldiver
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 21:22:14 CST
Reply-To: zeta%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

rider@geloser.login.qc.ca (Serge Ayotte) writes:

> pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:
> 
> > rhys@cs.uq.oz.au (Rhys Weatherley) writes:
> > 
> > >                                           It's also possible that a DOS
> > > version of Helldiver will be available too, but since Helldiver is very
> > > memory-hungry, this may be difficult.  I have no idea when this re-write
> > > will be available, but hopefully within the first few months of 1993.
> > 
> > OS/2!  OS/2!  OS/2!
> > 
> > A totally awesome newsreader deserves a totally awesome operating system
> > to run under, don't you think?  :-)
> >
> 
> I second the motion!!!! (But not holding my breath...)

Put another voice for an OS/2 version.  That would be GREAT!!!!
I'd love a good OS/2 news reader. ;)

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From: rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: WAFFLE to FIDO: Has it been done?
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 12:49:58 CST
Organization: Network XXIII - +1 608 222 9253

gordon@pinetree.org (Gordon Dewis) writes:

| rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt) writes:

| I think it should be made clear that there are atleast two other programs 
| which also do bi-directional gating.  One is UFGate and the other is 
| Fredmail.  As well, there is atleast one other which is in development, 
| that I know of.
| 
| Infact, the aforementioned programs will handle both news/echos and mail.

They do indeed.  So can I run Waffle as a BBS and plug UFGate in to do my
gating?  Can I plug in FredMail (alone) and let IT do the gating for my
Waffle bbs?  And count on it not to crash?  Are the docs to EITHER of these
understandable?  Usable?

Ever notice how some messages seem to be made up of LONG lines instead of
paragraphs?  Ever notice messages coming from Joe.Shmoe@<gateway> instead
of Joe.Shmoe@<joe.shmoe.home> ?

Amanda is currently the ONLY (and I MEAN ONLY) gating software designed
to gate news between a Waffle site and a Fidonet site.  The other two
you mention are for connecting Fidonet sites to Usenet; any other use
is a kludge or a hack, depending on how you look at it.

Erin is the mail counterpart to Amanda; and both are designed to work with
a Waffle *BBS*, not Waffle executables.  Big difference.

[soapbox mode off] :-)


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UUCP: ....!fullfeed.com!ruth!rat        |  Network XXIII - +1 608 222 9253
InterNet: rat@ruth.UUCP                 |  80Megs+ of Usenet/Fido programs!
Fidonet: David Douthitt 1:121/23        |
"...because appealing to the masses has |  Files available more ways than
 never appealed to us."                 |  any other BBS in America!
Files via: anon uucp, Fidonet FREQ, mail to archive-server@ruth.uucp, etc.
From: mikey@slic.cts.com (Mike Shirley)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: User-Only type documentation
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 06:34:57 PST
Organization: Muth Valley Bell  (619/390-SLIC BBS; V32bis)

Jonathan Herr <herrj%n@moose.cs.indiana.edu> writes:

> I use the /waffle/menus/main file.  Every time that I add a command
> (via /waffle/extern) I add the command to the /waffle/menus/main
> file.  It's not that hard.  If you add the command to the file right
> after you add it to the system, then you should always have an
> updated user doc.

I do the same with a file called \words\secret.  This is for me
as I have around 150 \extern files.

I also created \extern\extern which gives a directory listing of
all the \extern files.  Age and memory are an inefficient
combination (in my case).

--
     Mike, WB6WUI   //   INET:  mikey@slic.cts.com   //   GEnie: SLIC
From: kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Any other admins get mail like this?
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 23:25:21 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Public Access Usenet/UUCP, Clive IA USA.

As the organization line indicates, I run a public access system,
totally free to the public. One of my users, feeling the Christmas
spirit, started a 'faster modem' fund. Another user, seeing that
offering, sent me this mail message:

>        When are you going to have some kind of off-line mail
>system?  if you do that I would probably spring some cash for an
>upgraded modem.  As long as I can read the off-line packets under
>OS/2.

*sigh*


--
Kevin Houle     kjhoule@iowegia.uucp
From: carlos@infoserv.com
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: HELLDIVER running with Win-OS2
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 18:24:00 -0500
Reply-To: carlos@infoserv.com
Organization: Dominguez UseNet, Brooklyn NY, USA

In <V6mqwB2w165w@berry.Cary.NC.US> pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:

>This brings up a related question, one that will probably get me nicely
>flamed by Helldiver users everywhere.  But I'll ask it anyway.  Why are
>you giving Helldiver away for free?  A program this slick and
>sophisticated is well worth a modest registration fee -- and it wouldn't
>take that many registrations to pay for your new disk drive, memory, and
>compiler. Those of us who are asking for enhancements ought to be
>willing to help provide the financial resources to make them possible.
>And you've certainly earned it.

..I must concur. I would be very pleased to register Helldiver if
and when Rhys asks.

I may send him a international money order anyway soon, since I would
be a hypocrite for blasting my horn about Helldiver and stiffing Rhys.



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  ___ ___  __   .   ___  __  //  Carlos Dominguez, MS-DOS Enthusiast !
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From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Announce: na-proc v0.5 - news.answers archiving
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 17:45:57 MST
Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada
X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.97

a trivial upgrade to na-proc v0.4 has been placed on halcyon.com and
should be available as /pub/waffle/news/naproc05.zip (replacing the
naproc04.zip that's there now) eventually.

if na-proc was working for you before, don't bother getting this one
(I think) as it was just fixing an error in locating the directory where
the news.answers postings were kept
-- 
Russell Schulz  russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca  ersys!rschulz  Shad 86c
From: rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: ARCLIST
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 04:30:16 CST
Organization: Network XXIII - +1 608 222 9253

william@cithara.login.qc.ca writes:

| > How did arj get popular?
| 
| I like it because it's a single executeabe.

So is LHA.

| > Sure, it's compression ratios are good, but the thing is a memory hog.
| 
| Maybe. But ARJ runs in a 320k shell from Waffle. (make, list or extract)
| I suppose if I were running Waffle in 256k there would be problems, but
| for all practical purposes I doubt that anyone is out there running a
| public Waffle on less than, say 512K.

I'm running FroDo+Waffle inside a 450K DesqView window (as big as I could
make it).  I don't know if ARJ would run out of space, but it is constantly
forcing Shez to swap out of memory to make room for it -- no other archiver
does that.

Besides, ARJ is shareware as I remember - so is ZIP.  I'm considering a
switch to LHA - Freeware - the way software should be.


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UUCP: ....!fullfeed.com!ruth!rat        |  Network XXIII - +1 608 222 9253
InterNet: rat@ruth.UUCP                 |  80Megs+ of Usenet/Fido programs!
Fidonet: David Douthitt 1:121/23        |
"...because appealing to the masses has |  Files available more ways than
 never appealed to us."                 |  any other BBS in America!
Files via: anon uucp, Fidonet FREQ, mail to archive-server@ruth.uucp, etc.
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: rccarm00@nx19.mik.uky.edu (ron c carman)
Subject: Reason a new .UUCP address bounces mail??
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Path: nx19.mik.uky.edu!rccarm00
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:38:56 GMT

      I recently established a new mail/news feed, and have managed to
get mail running in both directions, but when I try to send mail to
darmok.UUCP (that's my site) from Internet, the mail always bounces.
Error responses say "unable to find remote address", or words to that
effect.  
      I spoke to the person in charge of mail for our site, and his
response was to ask about the configuration of mail at my end.  I don't
think the problem could possibly be at my end; I've been over the static
file a dozen times, and it seems to be set up just fine.
      Any help will be greatly appreciated.

RC Carman
p.s.  I'm running Waffle 1.65

--
/=======================================================================\ 
|     Ron C. Carman          ||  Quantum physicists get all the girls.  |
| rccarm00@mik.uky.edu       ||  Al.  Is he live, or is he a hologram?  | 
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From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: The woes of ^Z
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 18:32:01 CST
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

phil@miracle.com (Phil Hill) writes:

> roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:
> >Well, as McLuhan said, "the medium is the message."  You're technically
> >correct, Phil.  But, as a practical matter, where does one separate a
> >filesystem from the methods available to access that filesystem?
> 
> My point is that Waffle is using the *default* text method to access the
> DOS files.  If Waffle used binary mode, it wouldn't stop reading at the
> ^Z.  Of course it's more of a pain to access in bindry mode, you have to
> manually scan for new-lines.

Granted, but my counter-point is that the default access mode for a file
should still give you the whole file.  The ^Z kluge is a hangover from
CP/M.  Just gets in our way.  (anybody running OS/2 that can tell us
whether HPFS has this artifact?)

> >Besides, the filesystem IS broken.

> Well... it isn't broken.  It works.  It doesn't work very well, or have many
> nice features.  But it isn't boken.

It can't handle long names, only allows you one period in a name, and a
legal ASCII character can be interpreted as EOF.  I'll agree that it
isn't broken only if you'll agree that it's very badly bent. :-)

> The question is: "Is it worth the effort to fix Waffle?"  I don't
> think that ^Z in news messages is a major problem.

Me, either.  It's just that this thread brought all my filesystem gripes
to the surface.  It probably didn't help that I just finished going
through a 20+ part shar package, hunting illegal filenames.  My sh dies
when it can't create a file, which is a major pain.

<sigh> Time to build a 386 and FTP Linux, I think.
--
Roy M. Silvernail --  roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu - OR-  cybrspc!roy@cs.umn.edu
   "I like Santa Claus as well as the next guy, but do you really want a
   hard drive that's spent 6000 miles at the bottom of a canvas sack in a
            wooden sleigh powered by airborne reindeer?" -- me