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Subject: Re: aura goggles
From: wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 01:46:23 EDT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) writes:

> of physical reality.  Auras are the mind's way of *translating* the psychic
> input into relatively familiar terms.

I'd agree with that, that is to say, that's the same conclusion I've come 
to, based on a fair amount of work trying to figure out what these 
so-called "psychic" powers are, and how they function.

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From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: EVIL and "dualism"
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:54:55 GMT

Evil is in the eye of the beholder .... like everything else ...
in Good hands an Evil act can have a Good conclusion.
just like in Evil hands a Good act can have an Evil conclusion....

I had skimmed through a copy of the satantic bible and came across a single line that blew my mind ....

WithOut Satan , God would be out of busines... 

and of course the reverse is true ...

Without God , Satan would be out of business....

  Steve C.

Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: Scientific basis for magic. (FAQ material?)
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:28:37 GMT


In article <lcen8vINNqbk@west.west.sun.com> markk@pongo.West.Sun.COM (Mark 
Allen Kampe) writes (in an otherwise post):

>	   I was speaking of TSM whose steps you elaborated in your
>	   proof.  Many intelligent students of phenomenology have
>	   used less rigorous approaches.  The Aristotelians, for
>	   instance, utterly rejected the premise that experiment
>	   and observation were valid means for evolving and pruning
>	   scientific theories.  They were "idealists" who believed
>	   that "only the mind" was capable of discerning the true
>	   nature of the universe, and that our world was corrupt
>	   anyway, so experiments on this world had no bearing on
>	   the true ways of things.

this sounds more like the platonists too me; aristotle, remember, wrote 
some  excellent stuff (think of 'of the animals', for instance) which
relied exclusively on observed phenomena.

josh
From: eddie@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Edward M. Averett)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Re: Necronomicon
Date: 27 Sep 92 13:22:27 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <1a25trINNo3p@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert Mathiesen) writes:
>The newly arrived should be informed, of course, that almost every sentence
>in the Necronomicon FAQ (posted by Colin Low) is false ....
>
I am responding in email to you since this is not a matter for the public 
concern.  Mr. Low has transgressed already against the central order, and 
we are taking steps to correct him.  This subject must be controlled properly
if we are to minimize the questions regarding the holy book.  In the future
concerning this matter, and any other matters, relating to HPL, AB, the N,
the KofW, or the KnofM, you will clear any posting with your cell leader in 
the order. This postings cannot be allowed to continue at random.

By my signature, do recognize my authority.

			-Eswad al Nethros Hain 
			Adeptus Minor, Kn of M. 
Xref: sparky alt.magick:5102 alt.satanism:2253 alt.pagan:10633
From: pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey)
Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.satanism,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: And now for a poem from my Sponsor
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:37:14 GMT
Organization: noitazinagrO

In article <67081@cup.portal.com> 
Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva) writes:
>WHITE (Tara)              RED (Babalon)                 BLACK (Kali)
>------------              -------------                 ------------
>
>Virginal purity           Tenderly sensual              Quixotic tar
>Potential power           Mother                          pretending presence
>Snassis desire              of Abominations             Wisdom of age
>
>Beckoning knowledge       Blood expurgation             Nurse and Vampire
>Vulnerable thighs         Gorged                        Sword of release
>
>Question incarnate        Ripe fertility                Breasts of reassurance
>The Challenge             Shaktipat                     Morrigan Mystery
>The Trap                                                Continual flux
>                          Queen Harlot
>Quicksand pleasure        Sacred Prostitute             Ultimate Ground
>Neverending passion       Prophetess                      of Being
>
>Swept up by the           Vulva Penetrate               Liberatrix
>  wanton Void             Flower web activity           Suckle, fuck and bury
>
>Death concealed           Beauty revealed               Eternity congealed
>
>---------------------------------------------
>
>Thyagi
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Aum Krim Namah Kali-Ma!

Very interesting Tagi. Is this your triple Goddess?
Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.pagan,alt.religion.all-worlds
From: smithmc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Lost Boy)
Subject: Re: Seeking Creator of "Practice Random Kindness"
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:38:26 GMT

In article <12979@ecs.soton.ac.uk> etj90 <etj90@ecs.soton.ac.uk> writes:
>In <joshua.717745937@coombs> joshua@coombs.anu.edu.au (Joshua Geller) writes:
>>      "PRACTICE RANDOM VIOLENCE AND SENSELESS ACTS OF STUPIDITY"
>
>A beautiful posting.
>
>I have a (brief) personal anecdote.  I was buying groceries one day and
>was a nickel or so short.  A woman behind me hit me over the head and
>stole my wallet.  It really touched me; people are generally so
>impersonal  around here. As I lay on the floor bleeding, she said,
>"Someone did it for me once.  Do it for someone else when you can."
>-- 
>"Thought I oughtta bare my naked feelings,
> Thought I oughtta tear the curtain down.
> I held the blade in trembling hands, prepared to make it but
> Just then the phone rang; I never had the nerve to make the final cut."

	The .sig fits the destructiveness of the post nicely.

	Maybe you  guys should read more philosophy and concentrate
on "magick" less. 

	Lost Boy 


From: cal@otter.hpl.hp.com (Colin Low)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:04:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Letter from a sorcerer
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: alt.magick

Edward M. Averett writes:

>Oh, I don't find the warping odd or terrifying at all. If we ever had occasion
>to meet, I'd be happy to talk to him about it. .

You have an audience. I wasn't completely certain of the state he describes,
as there is a tendency to relate to the terror at the expense of other
details, but I interpreted what Robert was experiencing in terms of something
I would describe using Casteneda's language as "the moment immediately
prior to breaking the barrier of perception".

If you could clarify what was going on, that would be most useful and
interesting.

Cheers,
Colin

P.S. About the N........; there were extenuating circumstances. If you
persist with your lunatic accusations you will split the Order. I warn
you that while you still have the Book, we have Lovecraft's bones, and
you dare not move against us now.
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: 2nd Merlin Tarot Workshop
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:54:00 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct1.165805.5104@gdr.bath.ac.uk>, mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes...
>In the referenced article, oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep30.171847.5383@gdr.bath.ac.uk>, mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes...
> 
>>He probably doesn't want to admit that some of his work
>>is sloppy.  After all, he invented an entirely new tarot system
>>with new numbering, and symbols, but with all the editing 
>>problems of the lousy book there are important parts one cannot 
>>possibly interpret.   
> 
>He does have a new book on the Merlin Tarot which just came out.
>I don't have it but he claims that it covers a lot of material
>missed in the first version (like the Minor Arcana).  You might
>want to look for it.
> 
>Chris

Yes, he did miss the Minor Arcana too.  How can someone miss the 
Minor Aracana?  Plus what the *(&*(& are those ace cards - like 
the stag with the circles over its head, and the numbers make no 
sense.  These are not minor problems (IMO).

I'm already steamed that I bought a defective product and hate to 
spend more $ - making old RJ even richer.  Though I might anyway, 
since I can't use the damn thing very well as it is.  I hate 
being taken.

- Peggy -
Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.pagan,alt.religion.all-worlds
From: mike@highlite.uucp (Mike Wiik)
Subject: Re: Seeking Creator of "Practice Random Kindness"
Keywords: random kindness, guerrilla goodness, deep thoughts, Marin
Organization: Gotham Communications Research
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:17:41 GMT

oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:

>This has nothing to do with magick. [5 times]

>I'm sure you can find a more appropriate group.

>- Peggy -

Poor Peggy. This has *everything* to do with magick. Real
magick. Get a clue.

	-Mike

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From: SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert Mathiesen)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Letter from a sorcerer
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:45:39 EDT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

There are two different Roberts here.
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: alt.magick con
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:38:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.232434.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
|> In article <1992Sep30.225419.19462@bnr.ca>, bcash@crchh410.BNR.CA (Brian Cash) writes:
|> > In article <1992Sep30.102801.26616@gdr.bath.ac.uk>,
|> > mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes:
|> 
|> > |>Also, there's crop circles in the summer.  Anyone out there interested
|> > |>in Crop Circles?
|> > |>
|> > |>Chris
|> >              
|> > Crop Circles have been reveiled as a prank. Not very interesting.
|> >                        ^^^^^^^^
|> > Brian /-|-\
|> 
|> Reveiled as a prank, eh? What were they originally unveiled as?  :-)
|> 
|> I heard that the only prank proven thus far was that some jokers tried to take
|> credit for it, but it was found that either they were lying or they couldn't
|> be used to account for all the circles.
|> 
|> --Semhaza

Crop circles are graffiti done on fields.  LOT'S of people have been making 
them, it is very easy.   Many people have been caught or admitted such pranks.  

The fact that others do not come forward means just about the same thing
as the fact that noone comes forward to take credit for defacing public
buildings with spray paint.

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: EVIL
Keywords: EVIL
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:17:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep30.021509.15056@linus.mitre.org>, tucker@maestro.mitre.org (William Tucker) writes...

In article <1992Sep30.021509.15056@linus.mitre.org>, you write...
> 

>away,......Some religions take a dualistic approach to the great question of 
>evil seeing it as a force opposed to good. The dualistic approach reinforces
>your fear of yourself and your guilt; therefore, it only increases the chasm 
>within your soul. The energies of fear and guilt are used to force yourself 
>to be good. The blindness, compulsion, and the artificial concept of life 
>that accompany this forcing create self-perpetuating patterns....

This is often used to control people.

>  On the other hand, there are philosophies that postulate that evil does 
>not exist; it is an illusion. Such philosophy has part of the truth, just
>as its religious opposite does, which recognizes the danger of evil, it's
>life defeating power, and the unhappiness and sufffering it brings. The 
>postulate that evil is an illusion is true in the sense that there is 
>innately only one great creative power. There is union, for all is one in
>the conciousness of those who have transcended dualism.

Denial.

>......For the evil itself is not half so damaging as
>your attitude towards it. 

True.

>  By keeping both your beauty and your ugliness in mind at all times,
>you will also see both sides in others. You tend to completely reject
>and negate people whose destructiveness you perceive, and react to them
>exactly as you do to toward yourself. Or you emotionally react to their
>goodness and inner beauty, while unrealistically overlooking their ugly
>side.  You cannot yet grasp the presence of duality in yourself, and 
>therefore neither can you see it in others. This creates the continual
>conflicts and strife. Such distortion and lack of awareness cause you
>to deny and paralyze the creative process itself. Only by accepting the
>duality can you truly transcend it.....

This is worth thinking about.  Projection.  One's own self-image 
is such that everything reflects it back, until its overcome.

Thanks, William.

- Peggy -
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Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Necronomicon
From: Kendrick Kerwin Chua <kendrick+@CMU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:53:04 -0400 
 <Aem8Oiq00WCXI0tFts@andrew.cmu.edu><1992Sep30.172730.3299@cs.tulane.edu>
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>Ahhh....so you do know.  Then don't underestimate it.  I didn't choose the
>name out of arrogance.  And yes, I am a friend of mankind.  I don't
>protect from the teachings of lesser gods.  I didn't warn anyone of anything
>I only put right those things that I can before they go wrong.  And, who
>knows, maybe I am guiding the way.
> 
>Take this with a grain of salt, because belief and skepticism are two sides
>of the same coin....and both lead to foolishness.
> 
>			-Enki

Sorry, didn't mean for it to be taken lightly.  Yes, I do know who and
what the Name Enki means (I personally prefer Ea to Enki, because it's a
bit easier to mantra).

Apologies if I sounded foolish.


Kendrick Kerwin Chua

kc3u+@andrew.cmu.edu    or
kendrick+@CMU.EDU

Cthulhu for President, 1992!
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: Adam Lawrence Salter <adam@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Need info on _Taisha Abelar_ and Viking Arcana Pub.
Reply-To: Adam Lawrence Salter <adam@zooid.guild.org>
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 07:45:16 GMT



  
  Hey again. I need the inquiry phone number for Viking Arcana publishers. 
Also if anyone here knows of any plans for any sort of promotional activities 
for Taisha Abelar's new book "The Sorcerer's Crossing" PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE 
E-mail me. Not post. E-MAIL, E-MAIL, E-MAIL! 
 
                                        THANKS, THANKS, THANKS, 
                                         ADAM, ADAM, ADAM!!! 
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: lance@circle.UUCP (Lance A. Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: TEst Message
Date: 4 Oct 92 13:59:58 GMT


In article <718206815snx@circle.UUCP> lance@circle.UUCP writes:

 > 
 > This is a test message.
 > .
 > 
 > 

This is a folloup message.

Lance
From: jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: alt.magick con
Date: 27 Sep 1992 02:20:59 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling) writes:

>In article <Bv73EH.7nF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) writes:
>>cipher@lacerta.unm.edu (Rev. J. B. Bell) writes:
>>
>>>Along these lines, I'd like to propose a alt.magick.con. 
>>
>>As for locations, Urbana, Illinois is fairly central in the US.  And it's 

>My vote's for uiuc.

How 'bout...Wichita?   <;)
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: The Magical Philosophy
Keywords: magick, philosophy, practice, western tradition
Date: 26 Sep 92 23:56:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <Bv72wM.7DI@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) writes...
>mdouglas@netcom.com (Mike Douglas-Llyr) writes:
> 

>The series was republished in three volumes.  Vol 1, _The Foundations of High
>Magick_, contains Books I and II.  Vol 2, _The Sword and the Serpent_, contains
>Books III and IV.  Vol 3, _Mysteria Magica_, is Book V.  There has been some
>revision and rearrangement to make the series more usable.  (Whether or not this
>is the actual result, I don't know.  I've not seen the first edition.)
> 
>I concur that this is an excellent, lucid, series.  I do find the rituals *way*
>too verbose for my tastes, but I learned a great deal from reading Vol. 1 and
>3.  I haven't bothered with Vol. 2, since it is exclusively Kabbalah, and I
>won't work with Kabbalah for ethical reasons.  Most of the rest of the material
>is useful whether or not one works with Kabbalah, even though that is the basic
>model.  It is probably essential to understand the basics of Kabbalah to be
>able to get much from the series, but one can get a lot without having to
>actually use Kabbalah.

What are your "ethical reasons" for *not* working with quabala?

- Peggy -
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard)
Subject: Re: alt.magick support group
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 11:26:37 GMT

I understand some of the suspicion and annoyance with support groups.  However,
I've personally benifitted from a 12-step program as have several fine people 
I know.  It helps, in my experience, just to know that other people have some
similar experiences.  And the 12-step programs seek to overcome dependence on
externals and to help each person establish a sense of personal responsibility
(also in my experience... groups vary widely).  

I get annoyed by self-help books because I think they suggest that there are
quick fixes.  Living and growing are a process, a lifelong one at that.  And
it sure helps me to have people give me a hand or a shoulder on ocassion.
It also helps me to retreat way far into myself.  See, the only person who can
deal with my "problems" is me.  The 12-step programs don't suggest otherwise.
And I think the world would be a better place if more people took a really
good look at themselves... love for others, unselfish and mature love, starts
with love for self as a foundation.  And (once again in my experience) love
for self is hard to come by in our society.

I also think that every family is dysfunctional to some extent.  No parent is
perfect.  I'm sure all (or most) parents do the best they can and truly love
their children.  And 12-step programs aren't about blaming parents (or anyone
else) for how we feel.  But it's important (IMO) to recognize the pain we've
felt as children.  Society teaches most of us that our "negative" feelings
aren't legitimate, that we have to keep them in "control."  I think it's
important for us to experience the full range of our feelings.  (We have
control insofaras we can choose whether to act on them and how to act on them.)




-- 
Barclay Elizabeth Blanchard    barclay@rail9000@gatech.edu
"I've been laughed at by some of the funniest people."
--Lissie, Alice Walker's _The Temple of My Familiar_
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From: friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin)
Subject: Re: Flaming
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 17:48:05 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I'll end my contribution to this entire issue on this newsgroup (at least
this time) by asking one question that each person has to ask him/her
self:

  Is my posting *facilitating* further communication about this topic?

If not, then it is generally a case of trying to prove oneself *right* and
somebody else *wrong.*  You may win the battle...and lose the war.  Flaming
people out because they haven't yet learned how to ask their questions in
ways deemed appropriate to the flamer does little to encourage nascent
ideas.

I'll tell you true:  I'm working in areas that are at the edge of my
knowledge, and the ideas are rich, but not yet well formed.  Do you *really*
think I'm going to subject those nascent ideas to an environment where,
instead of nurturing, they are flamed to death?  So, in the end, the
flamers, and those to sanction flaming, hurt themselves, because some of
the very reasons I want to hear from others in alt.magick are already
lost.

--Friday
-- 
    - Friday -                      "Practice random acts of kindness 
      friday@netcom.com                         and senseless beauty."
      (aka Carol Anne Ogdin@Santa Clara, CA)
From: malcolmc@spider.co.uk (Malcolm Campbell)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Toe Dipping
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:20:16 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK

ed@amigans.gen.nz (Edward Kitto) writes:
>I have seen that there are some extremely erudite contributers here. Now 
>would someone out of all this erudition inform me as to the location of 
>the psychic centre in the human body?

It's worth looking into the yogic (other traditions use these too) chakras.
These are a set of 'energy centres' that run up the centre of your body.

If I remember correctly, these are at:

centre of gravity (the Japanese call this the 'hara')
heart
throat
forehead
top of head

In my experience of trying to work with these, if you focus on one, the
others fall into line, although which one you focus on affects the
'character' of the results you get.

For example, I was taught to focus on the hara in Ki-Aikido, and on the
heart by a Hindu chela. The latter is much more... well, emotional..
The hara in very solid, earthy even - much more what I prefer.

Im told that the top of head chakra is difficult and dangerous to work with,
but Ive seen no reasons for this given. Im sure someone out there knows.

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