From: 00vmszopa@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: hell yeah
Date: 18 Dec 92 07:20:04 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <92351.200651REB127@psuvm.psu.edu>, REB127@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> In article <BzBK03.9o8@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, cs101e77@dcl-nxt11.cso.uiuc.edu
> (cs101 student) says:
>>
>>Of course I would want to get raped.  How any man could turn down sex
>>(unless it was an ugly bitch) I don't understand.  I'd want to fuck a

...who cares what you'd fuck.  You've shown that you have ABSOLUTELY NO
IDEA WHAT IN THE HELL RAPE IS.  If you're interested, you have a lot to
learn.

>>chick if she asked me and if she was O.K.-looking, and any man who says
>>otherwise is lying.  I'd love getting fucked forcefully by a female.

1) YOU have no grounds to speak for any man but yourself.  
2) If you are asked to have sex and you agree, then follow through,
you are HAVING SEX.  You are not being raped!  Rape is a violation of your 
body in which you have no say, and to which you do not consent.  You cannot 
choose to be raped (though you might not resist to avoid your death).

> 
>  Please tell me this is sarcasm.  If it's not, I hope you plan to spend a
>  little more time reading the posts here--not that we 'know it all' when it
>  comes to rape, but you might get a few new perspectives on the subject.
> 
>                       --Russ
>                         REB127@psuvm.psu.edu

Definitely.  If you [cs10177] are being sarcastic, enjoy it.   If 
not, then you need to learn what rape means.

Rape is not forceful fucking.  It is not fun and games.  It is violence.
If you can imagine being forced at gunpoint to do whatever someone says,
completely at their whim, including having sex with them even if it hurts
you, then you have some slight idea of what rape is.  Rape is torture.

I hope I'm not wasting my time even responding to you.  You should
have posted your message to alt.sex, since it's obvious you think that
sex (rough)  =  rape.  To someone who has had to deal with the near
destruction of a friend's life, your statement sounds like it
comes from the mouth of a rapist, ie, someone who doesn't care whether
or not sex is agreed to.  

Rapists might feel that what they're doing is just "rough," and some DO
feel that they're "giving" the victim what the victim wants -- but
rapists are deluded about this.  No one wants to be raped, just as no
one wants to be held at gunpoint and possibly killed.

I am enraged by men's attitudes about rape.  Many millions think that
rape is somehow OK, that it "really isn't so bad," that women are
"bitches" who should just submit to their desire, that there's nothing
wrong with "taking," and in fact that women are just playthings anyway.
Given the current discussion in the group, I should add that I find
ALL kinds of rape distressing, but it is in fact almost exclusively a crime
perpetrated and perpetuated by men, whoever the victims are.

If I have labelled you incorrectly as ignorant, I'm sorry.  To the others
reading this group, I'm sorry if I've gone on too stridently about simple
known facts.  I could not let this message (and its poster) just
slip away.

There will be no freedom from rape until MEN stand up and stop it.  There
will not be enough men standing up until we all understand rape for what 
it really is.  

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