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From: bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
Subject: Re: "Permanent" Diviends (was Re: Healthy Winter)
Date: 9 Jan 1993 07:25:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



I am not an expert on state budgets, economics, etc. but it
seems to me that the Alaskan dividend based on oil revenues
cannot be simply explained away as just as easy for any
state to accomplish.
I believe Texas went through a similar oil prosperity period
(which obviously came to an end a few years ago) but
there still is not state tax there.

It must be true that some states with mammoth populations
cannot begin to construct budgets the way for example,
Alaska does.
Debate on this subject is interesting to me as well as
hearing what Alaskans find objectionable in newcomers
attempting to settle up there.
Perhaps a very frank list, or FAQ of objectionable
traits of newcomers to Alaska could constructively
help us all look at what it takes to preserve a 
state or regional "culture" and concomitantly what
is most disruptive.


-- 
Capt. Kirk: let's head for that planet, third from the sun, it
            looks promising.... |-)
From: gauss@cco.caltech.edu (Edward J. Gauss)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
Subject: Alaska Science Conference?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 13:39:55 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu


There used to be an annual Alaska Science Conference.  Who can tell me
when it will be next, and the address of whom I should write or email
for details?

                           --Ed
From: 22-9702@wwiv.cojones.com (Opal Luna Saturnyne #22 @9702)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
Subject: Re:Costs of attending Ala
Date: 3 Jan 93 08:17:25 GMT

> From: lib1p#jane.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) #136 @502
> 
> I would like to be able to finish my degree before I move to Alaska.  But
> since it looks like the sun will go dark before that happens I have the
> following two questions.....
> 
> 1)  What kind of costs are associated with attending Alaskan universities
> for both in-state and out-of-state students?

The tuition at UAA is much lower than that at APU (I'm assuming that you're
intent on living in Anchorage)... the student housing is about nil at UAA,
though so you'd have to find an apartment - very costly these days (APU has
oncampus dorms and an offcampus block of apartments... if you live oncampus,
buying the cafeteria meal plan is mandatory)-: You might want to write for
propaganda... APU: 4101 University Drive, Anchorage AK 99508;
UAA: 3211 Providence Drive, Anchorage AK 99508.
The main advantage to APU seems to be that you get smaller classes and more
attention from the instructor, but the small size is also a disadvantage,
since they can't offer the same variety that UAA can. Depends on what you're
after.

> 2)  What are the requirements to be considered an in-state student?

I have no idea about UAA, but APU no longer has a discount for in-state
students...no real advantage either way.


=> Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers!
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From: vmarsch@adobe.com (Vonn Marsch)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
Subject: Re: "Permanent" Diviends (was Re: Healthy Winter)
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:55:00 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View

In article <1ilulsINNgbg@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano) writes:
>
>I am not an expert on state budgets, economics, etc. but it
>seems to me that the Alaskan dividend based on oil revenues
>cannot be simply explained away as just as easy for any
>state to accomplish.

Well, *legally* it's just as easy.  Perhaps it isn't politically or
economically (a sudden influx of billions of dollars in oil royalties helps
a great deal).

>Debate on this subject is interesting to me as well as
>hearing what Alaskans find objectionable in newcomers
>attempting to settle up there.
>Perhaps a very frank list, or FAQ of objectionable
>traits of newcomers to Alaska could constructively
>help us all look at what it takes to preserve a 
>state or regional "culture" and concomitantly what
>is most disruptive.

A good idea, but let's not stop there: how about an FAQ regarding what
Alaskans find objectionable about people from Anchorage, and why it isn't
part of the "real" Alaska?  

Or how about a new news group, "alt.culture.alaska.misanthropy"?

---

Vonn Marsch
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska,rec.pets.dogs
From: erics@sco.COM (eric smith)
Subject: Re: Travelling with a dog in Alaska
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 20:03:20 GMT
Keywords: alaska travel dogs pets


jsdph@acad3.alaska.edu (Dennis P. Harris) writes:

>philg@bozo.net.com (Phil Geller) writes...

>> 
>>	- Where do dogs stay when you are on the ferry?  Can they remain
>>	  in a vehicle?  Are they allowed visits?

>dogs must be tied in a special area of the car deck.  they can be visited
>3 times a day.

When I took the ferry with my dog (1988), dogs were required to remain
in the vehicle. They could be retrieved and taken for a walk off the boat
at every stop, which usually allowed about a half hour before the dog
had to be back in the vehicle.

-----
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erics@sco.com
erics@infoserv.com
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From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.usenet
Subject: Re: Mutlu archives?
Keywords: mutlu,idiocy,argic
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:29:16 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <1993Jan11.043134.19403@samba.oit.unc.edu> alewis@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Andrew Lewis) writes:
>Mutlu no longer posts.  I hear that he was actually equipped with wit;
>alas, he was before my time.  Current prize for pig-headed Turkic
>obstinate idiocy goes to Serdar Argic, which is apparently primarily a
>computer program with some human intervention (in the newsgroups selected,
...
>Oh, I should have mentioned that some people continue to refer to Argic as
>Mutlu, although the preponderance of opinion is that Argic is a different
>person, and one without the glimmerings of wit that Mutlu apparently
>showed.  I cannot judge, never having seen the old demon.

Bad news. Mutlu and Argic are the same person; I've seen enough of
the two of them to know that. 

In case you're wondering, an easy way to find out is to check any of
the WAIS systems that keep lists of people posting. For example,
a mail message to pit-manager@mit.edu asking for Mutlu provides the
last days he posted from his old system (anatolia.michigan.com, forged
thru berkeley) in Sept 1992. Then in Oct 1992 Mr. Argic appears, having
no prior record of existence on Usenet.

Spiros
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.usenet
From: val@news.ccutah.edu (Val Kartchner)
Subject: Re: Usenet is ... (was Re: The Usenet motto)
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 19:38:26 GMT

This is from the document "what-is-usenet" which I found at pit-manager in the
file "/pub.usenet/news.answers/what-is-usenet/part1":

----- Begin inclusion

WHAT USENET IS
--------------
Usenet is the set of people who exchange articles tagged with one or
more universally-recognized labels, called "newsgroups" (or "groups"
for short).

----- End inclusion

I always thought that USENET was the collection of all sites connected via
UUCP including those gatewayed through other protocols.  USENET news fits
the definition given in the inclusion.

Any comments?

				-=:[ VAL ]:=-
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From: gugler-sean@cs.yale.edu (Sean Gugler)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.usenet
Subject: Re: Usenet is ... (was Re: The Usenet motto)
Followup-To: alt.culture.usenet
Date: 12 Jan 1993 12:16:55 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Undergraduate
	<1993Jan12.062619.16788@fullfeed.fullfeed.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: frog.zoo2.cs.yale.edu
In-reply-to: lampman@fullfeed.fullfeed.com's message of 12 Jan 93 06:26:19 GMT

From a couple of years ago:

You can log out any time you like,
But you can never leave!
      (apologies to The Eagles)

                      - Gary A. Irick,  Purdue University
                        irick@en.ecn.purdue.edu
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.usenet
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: The Usenet motto
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 19:52:19 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

"usenet: it's not an obsession.
 it's just something I have to do ALL THE TIME"
    - Meredith "gypsy" Tanner

-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
  "you make me want to break the laws of time and space / you make me
   want to eat pork / you make me want to staple bagels to my face /
   and remove them with a pitchfork" -- Weird Al Yankovic, "You Make Me"
From: tom@europa.lonestar.org (Tom Kimball)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.usenet
Subject: The Usenet motto
Date: 9 Jan 93 16:27:06 GMT
Organization: Moria Mining Guild (BBS) -- Dallas, Texas, USA


I fell in 
to a burning ring of fire.
I went down, down, down,
and the flames went up higher.

Johney Cash
"The Ring of Fire"
-- 
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From: alewis@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Andrew Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.usenet
Subject: Re: Mutlu archives?
Keywords: mutlu,idiocy,argic
Date: 11 Jan 93 04:31:34 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

Mutlu no longer posts.  I hear that he was actually equipped with wit;
alas, he was before my time.  Current prize for pig-headed Turkic
obstinate idiocy goes to Serdar Argic, which is apparently primarily a
computer program with some human intervention (in the newsgroups selected,
it catches certain buzzwords, posts a response which usually isn't
particularly relevant, adds a paragraph of mail-merged ad-hominem attacks,
and appends one of several completely irrelevant and unscholarly articles
asserting the existence of an Armenian-led genocide of Turks, which of
course exceeds the well-documented Turkish genocide of Armenians by one
million).  You can find his lunacy, in pidgin english, in
soc.culture.turkish, soc.culture.greece, soc.culture.soviet, and
talk.politics.soviet, among others.  I know the newsgroups
alt.fan.hasan.b.mutlu and alt.fan.serdar.argic exist (probably forged). 
Interestingly, though SA apparently accounts for nearly 10% of usenet
traffic (the figure cited in one of the newsgroups above, I don't know if
it's true), he cannot be reached at his e-mail address.  E-mail sent to
him is bounced by the postmaster of an upstream server (he's
sera@zuma.UUCP, through something like anatolia.org.  I'd like to have his
real address, so I could send him a mail bomb, poison, or something
similar.  Nor am I alone.

Oh, I should have mentioned that some people continue to refer to Argic as
Mutlu, although the preponderance of opinion is that Argic is a different
person, and one without the glimmerings of wit that Mutlu apparently
showed.  I cannot judge, never having seen the old demon.

Andrew M. Lewis
Internet: alewis@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
Bitnet: lewis@unc
V derevniu, k tetke, v glushch', v Saratov!
 
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From: lampman@fullfeed.fullfeed.com (Ray Lampman)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.usenet,alt.quotations,news.future
Subject: Usenet is ... (was Re: The Usenet motto)
Date: 12 Jan 93 06:26:19 GMT
Expires: Wed, 14 Jul 1993 07:11:14 GMT
Reply-To: Ray.Lampman@FullFeed.Com
Followup-To: alt.culture.usenet
Organization: FullFeed - Public Access Usenet/E-mail (+1 608 246 2701 guest)

In article <2B507E73.356C@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
# "usenet: it's not an obsession.
#  it's just something I have to do ALL THE TIME"
#     - Meredith "gypsy" Tanner

Usenet is "the closest thing this planet has to a collective consciousness."
      - Ray Lampman (Ray.Lampman@FullFeed.Com)

Usenet is "the last uncensored mass medium."
      - Steve Crocker (aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu)

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From: dsewell@milori.ccit.arizona.edu (SEWELL, DAVID R.)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.usenet
Subject: Mutlu archives?
Keywords: mutlu,idiocy
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:40:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Er... I'm not really hoping to find a Mutlu archive.  But I would
be grateful if anyone who has a sample of some of the Best of Mutlu
would send me the file.  I wanted to refer to his postings in
the context of an argument over discussion on a Listserv list
but I rarely read the groups he (it?) posts to and there's
nothing current from him on my news server.  
--
David Sewell, English Dept, U of Rochester   |  "Grammarians without any
  dsew@troi.cc.rochester.edu                 |  character at all lecture
  dsewell@violet.ccit.arizona.edu            |  us on that of Odysseus."
(On leave in Tucson, Arizona, '92-'93)       |     --Diogenes the Cynic
From: ozakaria@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Oki Zakaria)
Subject: The origin of Bahasa Malaysia
Keywords: strange
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 17:25:09 GMT


Found in my on-line American Heritage Dictionary:

Malay
   noun
   1. One of a people inhabiting the Malay Peninsula and adjacent areas.
   2. The Indonesian language of the Malays.
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   adjective
   1. Of or pertaining to the Malays or their language.
   2. Of or pertainging to Malaya or Malaysia.
Malayan - adjective & noun

It's interesting. I think the software maker didn't learn much about the
origins of languages.


Oki
okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu
From: hsiahaan@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: RE: JESUS HAS DIED - *
Date: 10 Jan 93 23:39:01 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

A TYPO...
In article <1993Jan10.233551.46284@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, hsiahaan@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> It is simply unwise to put this kind of posting here. Why ?
>  1. Indonesians are group of people of different religions. This makes reli-
> gion a very sensitive matter. Telling others what you think a fact according
> to your religion might offend and upset others.
>  2. What are called 'facts' by one religion might be completely false by other
> religion(s). 
>  3. Basing arguments on religions are both 'in-arguable' and 'mis-leading'. 
> In-arguable by the beliefers of that particular religion, and mis-leading by
> beliefers of other religions. Remember, most religions give no flexibility:
> just believe, or you die.
>  4. This posting can lead to tensions among the readers, just as what happened
> in soc.cul.asean not long ago. This tension finally became the ridiculous
> name-calling, religious slurs, and other kinds of bashings.
> 
> So, please those be the  LAST postings of such kind !
                          ^^^^^^
> 
> HSIAHAAN
> 
> NB. Out of curiousity, is the poster an Indonesian ? Or not ?
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: sono@athena.research.ptt.nl (Soelaksono A.)
Subject: Re: New issues ( Calon Pres )
Organization: PTT Research, The Netherlands
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:37:47 GMT

 Hallo netters,

 Menanggapi usulan topik dari Bung Togar : suksesi kepemimpinan,

 kemarin saya baca di koran : de Volkskrant , 7 Jan' 93 bahwa
 Guruh Soekarno Putra akan mencalonkan diri menjadi presiden.

 Ada yang tertarik tidak menanggapi 'kans' Sdr. Guruh dalam pemilihan ini ?

 Tanggapan saya (yang awam politik ) :
 1. Usaha Sdr. Guruh patut dihargai, karena walaupun kansnya "dipertanyakan"
    berani memperjuangkan haknya sebagai warganegara ( bukankah ini tertera
    dalam UUD'45 ? ).

 2. Akankah terjadi peristiwa seperti Pemilu '87, sewaktu Pak Naro dan
    Pak Dhar rebutan kursi Wapres ?  (Walaupun sudah diisyaratkan mundur
    Pak Naro masih tetap bersikeras, demi demokrasi ? )

 3. Akankah Sdr. Guruh membawa 'angin baru' dalam demokrasi di Indonesia ?
    Seperti kata Ross Perot dalam presidential election, yang kira-kira :
    " Saya tahu saya tidak akan menang, tapi saya akan menjadi faktor
      dalam menentukan pemenangnya "
    ( eh, tapi ini berlaku nggak ya di Indonesia ?    *garuk-garuk*  )


  Nah, saya kira ini cukup menjadi impuls buat a.c.i...

  Hayooo, ...siapa yang mau menanggapi lebih lanjut ..?
  (meminjam istilah Sdr. Freddie Soewito  soewito@infonode.ingr.com :
   katanya mau majuuuuu ....?      :)) 


   Salam
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Saturday, 9 Jan 1993 15:00:31 EST
From: <O79SI@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Computer Networks in Indonesia FAQ

Do you have any information regarding any network who work to distribute the in
ormation regarding imports of  clothes from indionesia ? if  U do please e-mail
me the addresses.
Thanx.
From: indra@earthview.cms.udel.edu (Indra Jaya)
Subject: Re: JESUS HAS DIED - *
Reply-To: indra@earthview.cms.udel.edu
Organization: Marine Studies, University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:23:01 GMT

>From rahard@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
>Subject: Re: JESUS HAS DIED - *
>Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:32:59 GMT

>Arrgghh.....

>Sedikit tenggang rasalah kalau mau mengirimkan artikel. Isu-isu yang dapat
>menimbulkan SARA sebaiknya dihindarkan.

>salam,
>Budi Rahardjo

Budi, saya baca artikel yang sama di soc.religious.islam. 
Jadi ada cross-posting.

(* Indra
PS: Apa mungkin (technically) mencegah/membendung terjadinya cross-posting? 



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From: sulistio@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Sulistio Muljadi)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Computer Networks in Indonesia FAQ
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:56:13 GMT
Organization: San Francisco State University

Some companies in Indonesia do have an internet connection.  It's the company
private network, which have links to the internet.  I think Schulmberger,
DEC, and some other companies. 

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From: mrubyono@suvm.syr.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: The issue of language borrowing (a forwarded msg
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 01:39:12 -0500


Dear Folks,

I'd like to forward a comment as I attach below.
Especially to Mr. Sintong Sunaryo who loves to speak English instead
of ... berbahasa Indonesia dalam imilnya. Anyway, I might love to read
Sintong's e-mail in COMPLETELY bahasa Indonesia, though. Indeed, I would
appreciate if he could do it :-). Saudara Sintong yang budiman, saya tunggu
imil anda di kotak pos saya tapi....mohon selengkapnya berbahasa Indonesia.
Selamat berbahasa Indonesia....  bahasa tanah air tercinta. Terima kasih.

salam hangat,
ruby

------- Forwarded Message

Message-Id:   <01GT30AV6Q4G8Y5OOO@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU>
Date:         Sun, 3 Jan 1993 12:56:39 LCL
>From: SUMARSAM@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU
Subject:      Commentary

One of the most important features in Indonesian history is
the continuous exposure of the Indonesian to foreign cultures.
To the extent that Indonesian had endlessly been exposed to,
or adopted, foreign ideas,  political and cultural possibilities
are and always were expandable.  Consequently, the development
and transformation of Indonesian culture is a complicated process,
very dynamic, at times very painful experience.  History is in
the making in the recent debate in PBDLIST about the issue of
language borrowing.  Such a debate is not uncommon in the process
of the development of Indonesian culture,  in the past and at
present.  Because of the easy access to global communication, the
rise and intensity of internal cultural debates cannot be
avoided (It is as if the world becomes containing fewer cultures
but more internal cultural debates.)  Such a debate is useful in
the development of our culture,  especially if it is carried out
with positive attitude and a right sense of modality.

Happy New Year 1993
Sumarsam (SUMARSAM@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU)

------- End of Forwarded Message

Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: maulana@duteca8.et.tudelft.nl (exit)
Subject: Re: On Corruption and Comission (a respond to Iqbal's post)
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 20:08:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.205313.4217@fuug.fi>, an1600@anon.penet.fi (homeless) writes:
> Hi,
> At first I wish a happy and prosperous new year 1993.
> 
> > Two vultures eat more than eight canaries, sounds logical. But if you
> > think a new crown will make a good king, I'm afraid you make a faulty
> > assumption.
> Agree !, but I do beleive that the goverment is not God, they can still 
> make some mistakes. So active feedback from the people is hardly needed.

  Agree! I do believe that we need more democratic system to le the people
  participate in controlling the government.
> 
> > A country with high corruption can still have an impresive economic
> > growth. The money, corrupted or not, will keep circulating. But
> > government will have a lesser control on the circulation.
> Correct !
  The money would always circulate, but only inside the small group.
> 
> >So for
> > example there may be more golf fields built than railroad.
> Irrelevant. The money that have been used to built golf fields is absolutely
> private. It has nothing to do with the corruption.  On private
> sector is everybody looking for everything which are profit-making ,
> absolutely not building a railroad.
   We have to wonder not about the money, but why the public service can not be
   better. Can't the railroad make profit? More people need it than golf field.
> 
> > Solution? I would say: put imense money on education.
> I 'm afraid that it is still not the solution, since whom which has
> the opportunity to enrich him/her-self mostly a wel educated person.
> What about the justice departement, should we think that they should
> have to do something to minimize corruption ?. (just a suggestion)

  We need not only deregulation in economics, but in politics too.
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi.
> Due to the double-blind system, any replies to this message will be anonymized,
> and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned.

  Bye.

  Ikbal Maulana (Maulana@duteca.et.tudelft.nl)
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