From: steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak  #3000  x2110 )
Subject: Franklin Speaks for God! (WAS The Pope is coming! The Pope is coming!)
Summary: Yep, a*nother* one.  Sheesh.
Keywords: Deluded, out of touch, depressing.
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:03:53 GMT

> = (Steve Franklin) writes:
>> = Suzanne NOT Forgach writes:

>>My religion too, Steve.  Did you include the 'facet' of faithful Catholics
>>who want to keep abortion legal ... like myself?

>   You cannot support abortion and consider yourself a "faithful
>Catholic". You cannot reject the doctrine of the Catholic churc
>yet consider yourself to be a faithful worshipper.

Well, she can; apparently, she already does.  You may not *like* it, but
it's a fact.

Next?

>But, you cannot call yourself a practicing and faithful 
>Catholic yet reject God's message AS WE interpret it.

Who's "we", fanatic?  Do you speak for the Pope (hmm, who speaks for
"god", meaning...Steve Franklin speaks for god!)          

>If you choose to interpret it differently then you have modified your 
>religion and canot consider yourself a Catholic. 

You don't mind whacking a point clear into the ground and beyond, do ya?

>YOu see this has several problems:
>1) You confuse the majority of the populus by presenting two different
>messages of the Catholci church

Hey, Franklin: are you aware of the birth control beliefs of "the
majority of the [U.S. Catholic] populace"?  Here's a clue: it's not the
C.C. position.  Oops!

>2) you raise inconsistency within the church. We must preach and pray
>the message as a union. 

Maybe in the Middle Ages.  People are actually beginning to think for
themselves and, of course, realizing that the Catholic Church and its
pope are hardly omniscient.  There may be (I think there are...)
Christian principles espoused by the C.C. worth following, but lets drop
this laughable notion that the repressive Vatican is on some flawless
streak.  No way.

And that's hard for Medieval Franklin to digest.      

>3) You cannot overlook the word of the Holy Father. Whether you accept
>him as your leader or not is not my concern. YOu must accept
>his word as Jesus asked of us with Peter.

Total bullshit.  Many so-called "Holy Fathers" (gag) allowed abortion,
fathered illegitimate children, engaged in torture and murder of their
own congregation, and other sweet acts hardly commesurate with some
infallible spokesperson for your imaginary "god".

>As someone else posted, he doesn't ask you to do anything he wouldn't.

That was Smarmy Suzanne, and sure he would.  You oughta read The March
of Folly sometime, to find out what Party Popes have headed the C.C.
Also, are you claiming the pope leads a life of _poverty_?  I think not.

>Now, abortion is not one of his options, but erejecting the fact that 
>he is truly wise and intelligent in his piety and message would be 
>ludicrous.

C'mon, quit making us puke.  It's your sad Pontiff Panjandrum that's
ludicrous, along with your pathetic idol worship.  _Get_ a LIFE based on
some actual REALITY fer chrissakes, if not for yourself then for the
sake of your fellow citizens who have to live with you.

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