Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: More replies (long...)
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:03:04 +1200
Distribution: world
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <92099.194024ASCKN@ASUACAD.BITNET> C. K. Ng <ASCKN@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>   All I was trying to say in my earlier posting was that those Chinese who
>stay back AND fight their way into Malayan University are statistically
>having higher IQ than those who run away, mostly on mum-and-dad's
>scholarship.  To substantiate my argument, please refer to the 2nd and 3rd
>columns, p 59, Time Magazine, 4/13/92 issue.  You may find some partial
>but explicitly strong substantiation to my point made earlier.
>
>   I don't know how many times I've mentioned this:  Your observation in
>NZ of your fellow Malaysians in your institution only constitutes a sample
>size of unity.  To draw conclusion on a sample size of unity, and to rebut
>any suggestion using it is rather unconvincing.

FYI, the number of NZ students in Malaysia during the time of my observation
is in excess of 400.  I refer to a previous post which estimates the
number of Malaysian students in the states to be approximately 430.
I would think the sample here is as good as, if not better than, the
sample taken by Time mag. on the states.  In your statement, you 
said that most of the students who study in Malaysian Universities
have a higher IQ than those studying overseas.  You also advocate 
that most of those do so at their parent's $$$ scholarship.  My
rebutal is your claim based on the students in the states do not
represent all Malaysian overseas students.  It may be true for the
university you lecture in.  It may be true in the states.  It is
certainly not true when I came to NZ.  FYI, the QUALIFYING factor 
for comming to NZ is a score of more than 4A1s in SPM.  That 
means ALL of us scored 4A1s or better in out SPM.  (A2s don't count).
In my article, I stated the facts.  23 Malaysians in ONE school 
sat the scholarship exams, 23 got scholarship.  100 scholarships
are given out every year.  There are many more students in other schools.
I base my rebuttal on the facts I provided.  Whether convincing 
or not I leave it up to your intellect.  The fact is our IQ is NOT 
inferior to those studying in Malaysia.  (Your first point).

Also, a number of students here have to make do with sub-standard
living conditions (a visit to some of the flats will show you)
because they have very little money to spend.  Most of them have
to work over the summer to cover the year's expenses.  A number of
them have drawn out loans.  FYI, there is a Malaysian Student's 
Education Fund here, set up to help finance those who cannot make
it through the year financially.  So, I don't see the relevance of 
your second point.

>   I may make the wrong judgment, but somehow your tone suggests to me that
>you are a cynic.  

Whether I am a cynic or not is not the question here.  I merely 
set up a counter arguement to your claims.  So unless you can 
back up your claim with enough Malaysian students studying overseas
(please don't just give US statistics - The USA is not whats left
of the world you know), I say your claim is baseless and WRONG.

>   Goodluck in your finals, and may the Lord bless you.

Yippe, finals have been over for 4 months now ... I get to graduate.

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