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From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Subject: Beals - Third Strike
Organization: Memes-R-Us
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:02:23 GMT
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mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us (Mike Meyer) writes:

>bengtl@maths.lth.se (Bengt Larsson) wrote:
>> Re: cancelling other people's articles out of personal whim: this is wrong.

>So what does this have to do with what Andy did?

It was subjective, ergo it was a whim. Nobody has cared to claim that they
completely agree with bandy's actions, overtly ... nor have they assumed his
self-imposed responsibility, as forger of cancels. Why is that ?

This lack of similar actions by his peer group, locally and virtually, says
to me that nobody agrees with his actions to the point that they duplicate
them. Clearly, if actions are any description, there is no consensus which
bandy can claim to represent.

Also, it was the third time, from what I know and what I have read, that
he has been believed to have forged - IE, created with false headers that
would deceive anyone wishing to know the source - news articles.

	(1)	possible, but unproven case in 1989, when he was the
		only person who defended an unknown forger, via email,
		after i called postmaster@sunncal's attention to the
		fact that controversial posts from Sun were forgeries,
		and criticized forgery publically.

	(2)	when he allegedly created software which he used to kill
		any groups he did not like, on the Well, as has been
		reported here in the past week ... impact and duration
		of this 'prank' unknown.

	(3)	this occurrence. impact and duration precisely known.

	(3a)	followup deletion of news.admin posts containing Beals'
		name and details, let's not forget that mystery.

I really haven't wanted to mention the first incidence, bandy seems to have
created enough trouble, but his friends' efforts to make him seem lily-white
kind of force me to say *something*. Especially after all the shit stirred
up by unknown individuals attempting to get me fired, back then. Kind of
hard to forget someone's effort to deliberately dishonor one ... but I've
kept my mouth shut for several weeks now on this topic, and I've seen all
that I care to. Then, as now, deceit and forgery stirred up a lot of anger.
This will continue until everyone generally agrees that it was deceitful,
and forgery. Since virtually everyone already knows this, the topic can
probably be closed.

Mike, if you want to keep defending bandy, have at it. But your motives are
questionable, to me.

It takes some serious effort to rack up three well-known strikes. I don't
know of anyone else who has been caught so many times being delinquent.

I know of a few people who have, through their acquaintance with bandy,
been placed in difficult positions through their divided loyalties, but
most of these people's first loyalty was to the Net, to the community
which has brought us all together and made us more than lonely hackers.

-- richard

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