HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:35:46 GMT


Thanks to all who had read my post, replied, not replied, via e-mail, 
via post, agree, not agree or even hate -- all of you.
Why all. Because just as what I said, it was just a remind.
I learnt that most of CSS did remenber, but I also learnt a handful of them
didn't. Now they remenbered, so thanks to them.



Here are a few issues to discuss with friends:

1. A & H-bomb:

Of course we do not eat bombs, but we did need them. If US or USSR has 100
and we have 0, then we are in big problem. We were in big problem when we 
did not have A-bomb. But when we have 1, everything changes. A country can
not develop well without trade with other countries. The international trade
is much more important than its percentage in GNP. Now China can open doors
to the world, A & H-bombs did help. Say no bombs, I agree, but first to US and 
then rest of the world.

(to be continued)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
Subject: Re: an unsuccessful mail forgery
X-Vers: University of Oregon Version dmm-02 30-Oct-90
Posted-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 17:50 EST
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:39:00 GMT

          ( PSU mail deleted )

          Hi, Shannon, there is no contents displayed in the message
          except for something like "bullshi f*king shannon" in the
          address.  Does that mean you have changed your address to
          this new one?

          I am sorta confused.  Also there is nothing about the 
          9201 action in the message.  I frankly thought you and 9201
          folks had decided to stop activities and concentrate
          on growing up instead.
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: 
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:05:16 GMT

In article <wangf.718010574@unixg.ubc.ca> wangf@unixg.ubc.ca (Frank Wang)  
writes:
> In <92276.022303XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu> <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> 
> 
> >> Just a remind, today is our National Day. Nothing can be more valuable
> >> than independence. US could be a friend, but China is our country.
> 
> >         Nothing more valuable than independence?
> 
> >         To a Bai3 Xing4, independence and freedom are equally important.
> >         And what does the independent country mean to the dependent
> >         people?
> 
> 
> >         X Xu
> 
> Being slaves of their own race rather than foreigners.
> 
> F. Wang

If you want to be a slave of your own race, then go to China and seattle down.  
It is the easiest thing to do. Go ahead. However, many people don't want to be  
slaves of their own race as well as foreigners.

Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: an unsuccessful mail forgery
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 04:10:50 GMT

In article <9209290048.AA11745@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:
>          ( PSU mail deleted )
>
>          ...  I frankly thought you and 9201
>          folks had decided to stop activities and concentrate
>          on growing up instead.
>

I think the above must be written by a GROWING baby or an idiot.

TAKE an option that I pleasantly provide here, Tuya.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
From: <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 14:28:31 EDT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <BvJyv1.1DC@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin)
says:
>
>In article <1992Oct2.183440.13380@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu
>(Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct2.120636.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> haiqiu@ducvax.auburn.edu
>>writes:
>>> > And BTW, whose fault was that of the huge population?
>>>
>>>   I have read a book written by Jiang Jie-Shi, the KMT ruler before 1949. I
>>> got such a idea that if it is Jiang in mainland after 1949. The population
>>> will be much much huger now. For in that book he accused CCP of try all    s
>kind
>>> of method to reduce the Chinese population including massacre, and he said
>>> what he will do is encourage the fast growth of the population so China is
>>> the Ultra-largest and strongest nation in the world.
>>>
>>
>>In 1940s or earlier, the number of soliders in the army did mean something
>>because technology was not advanced enough. So it seems a little bit more
>>understandable why Jiang would encourage population growth. Jiang did not
>make
>>such comment any more in 1960s and 1970s because he knew the number of       s
>soldier
>>in the army was getting less and less important because of the new
>technolodgy
>>used in military. So I don't think Jiang would do the same thing Mao did in
>>1950s and 1960s, and thus the population would not have been so large.
>>
>>Mao is very stupid (or crazy). Even in late 1960s, he still proudly told
>>foreign diplomates that he could summon a 100 million soldier army to
>"defend"
>>China. I believe it was militarily motive that push Mao to encourage fast
>>growth of population.
>>
>  Then you are truly stupid.

   You are tooo smart to put people who has different idea with you to
   a category of "truly stupid".

>  Go to some country side of China, ask one of the woman on the street,
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
       Which  side of the country? South or North? -)
       What do you mean "one of the woman"? I hope there are more than
       one woman alive in China. --)). BTW, what is your definition of
       "street", or "woman on the street"? I am "truly confused" _0)

>  why does she want 12 children, she answers:" I want to build a strong

  I am not sure if this is the family value of Chinese woman, acctually
  it is hardly to find a woman in China who wants to have 12 kids around.
  Even in countryside, it's very hard to find a family having more than
  6 kids nowdays. This leads me to doubt if you ever lived in countryside.

>  family army".
>
>>
>>
>
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:24:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.175106.8622@odin.corp.sgi.com> yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang) writes:
>In article <80570@ut-emx.uucp>, joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>|> 
>|> Had the United States fought only to save South Korea, it is very
>|> unlikely that the Chinese would have entered the Korean War.  The
>|> problem was that once American troops crossed the 38th parallel and
>|> headed northward, Mao and his friends became very nervous.  What
>
>I had never been a great student on the subject of history but
>was not it n-korea crossed 38th parallel first. CCP+n-korea won quite a few
>battles and captured a few US generals inclding a 2-star before MacArthur
>came in. If I remeber it right, even seoul was (or soon-to-be) lost to n-korea.

well, N. Korea initiated the conflict -- China had nothing to do it at
the start, the "great leader" had his troops trained for years, forming
armour divisions, while the Chinese had a victorous but exhausted
rag-tag army fresh out of the civil war.  After MacArthur beat the N Koreans,
he wanted to push to/over the YaLu river, and that's when the Chinese
got involved, giving the US the worsest battle field defeat since
the battle of Bugle, and even captured Seoul for a couple of Month,
and MacArthur was disgraced and fired by Truman.  

>
>|> worried them was the possibility that American troops would not stop
>|> once they reached the Yalu River and would continue into Manchuria.
>|> Even if the United States did stop at the Yalu River, China would have
>|> to garrision a lot of troops at its border with Korea to defend itself
>|> against a hostile regime.
>|> 
>|> Also, I agree with you that Chiang Kai-Shek had almost no influence in
>|> the American decision to enter the Korean War. 
>
>Not only that, Chiang did not get US help and support after 1949 after
>korea-war broke out. US then realized that they could not make friends with
>CCP and then decided to send 7th fleet to taiwan strait and continue support
>KMT.

Of course, they are uncertain who's going to be in charge in Taiwan for
the remanant KMT troops, once it became clear and KOrean war broke out,
the 7th fleet is there.  That's a tremdemous support to the KMT.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Convertor between GB and BIG5 wanted
From: etwz@levels.unisa.edu.au
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:24:17 +0930
Organization: University of South Australia

IS there a conversion package between the PRC Chinese standard code and 
the Taiwan Chinese code, ie. GB to or from BIG5 ? Thanks for inform me.

W. Zhang
University of South Australia
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:26789 talk.politics.china:1564
From: Congzhong.Wang@info.unine.ch
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:18:22 GMT
Organization: University of Neuchatel, Switzerland

In article <1992Sep28.230841.18389@odin.corp.sgi.com>, yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang) writes:
> In article <1992Sep28.213259.867@unine.ch>, Congzhong.Wang@info.unine.ch
> writes:
> |> In article <1992Sep28.175106.8622@odin.corp.sgi.com>,
> yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang) writes:
> 
> Exactly.
> As a matter of fact, everyone from TAIWAN should remember the origin of
> 1-2-3 liberty day (January 23rd). Most of the chinese POW during korea war
> decided not to go back to mainland and instead go to taiwan.
> What KMT did not reveal at the time was majority of those POWs went to taiwan
> was ex-KMT army that stayed in mainland after 1949.
> 
> CCP applied the "Jay4 Dau1 Sah1 Ren2" (borrow knife to kill a person)
> stretegy and used the ex-KMT army to fight US thus the problems caused by
> the ex-KMT army disappeared because eventually they are either killed or
> captured (probably volunteerly). 
> 
> I think I got this from the same source of yours (bao4 gao4 wen2 xue2).
> My memory is fuzzy but I also believe it commented that was one of the reason
> CCP actively partipated in the korea-war because CCP wanted to get rid of
> the still-huge ex-KMT army left in mainland.

 I don't know exactly what happened. But I can't agree with you that "most" of
POWs wanted to go to Taiwan. Didn't they care about their families still in
mainland or be afraid of CCP's punishments? According to one article I
mentioned above, some KMT's agents were sent to Korea and they FORCED   POWs
to go to Taiwan, and they treated those who wouldn't and some PLA and CCP
members very cruely. I would rather not mention the details.
 Those who did come back to mainland hadn't been treated very well for a long
time, because if captured and not killed, CCP would still consider him a
traitor(like KMT's "bu4 cheng2 gong1, ze2 cheng2 ren2 ?). It is really very
sad.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cosc17b9@menudo.uh.edu ((COSC12GQ) 92F06884)
Subject: New policy towards oversease students and scholars
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:06:29 GMT

The new policy towards oversease students and scholars anounced by
State Council seems to be just a propaganda game. It's been reported that
many people came to the U.S. after 4/10/90 still have hard time to
have their passport renewed. The practice of Chinese cousular officials
on this matter haven't shown real change. The fundamental principle of
Chinese Government towards people have not change: they try to control
people as much as they can; if they can't, pretend to be lenient.

What they are doing now can hardly win the trust of oversease CSS, but
further allienate them. 

people as much they can; if they can't, pretend to be lenient.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
Subject: Re: an unsuccessful mail forgery
X-Vers: University of Oregon Version dmm-02 30-Oct-90
Posted-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 11:03 EST
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:52:00 GMT


          Oops!  zzuo@iastate.edu, where did you come out from? 
          I am glad you are still alive :-).  I remember not long ago
          you were a nei4 xian4r of mine inside the 9201 committee (I
          still keep all the correspondence between us.  Your code
          name was 110??1).  You stopped reporting and I have counted
          you as "missing in action."

          Since you are alive you might as well take advantage of it
          and refrain from embarrassing yourself publicly :-).
From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: welcome message
Date: 26 Sep 92 15:34:14 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

	Chinese delegation is visitng USU, hello to everyone !

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hchiu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Hsu-Ju Chiu)
Subject: any good books talking about Tan-yan man square student movement?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:54:31 GMT

Hi, there:

I am interesting in writing a paper about Tan-yan man square (sorry!wrong
spelling?) student movement back to 3(?) years ago.
I would like to know the whole chronic event, how students orginized, social
and culture background of China, what kind of role did media play in this
event(fax? computers?...)......
I don't know much about China, so any good introductional materials will also
very helpful to my research.
can somebody introduce some good books for me?
Chinese,English,Spanish and French editions are acceptable.
please emil me: hchiu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

Very much apperciated! and don't make my ignorance upset you.
Thank you very much!!

HJ
From: liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: travel to China
Date: 4 Oct 92 00:19:07 GMT
Organization: New York University

Zong-Sheng.D.Chang@dartmouth.edu (Zong-Sheng D. Chang) writes:

>9. Any other suggestion regarding the whole trip?

I forgot to mention one important thing. There is a long way to walk after
you get off the train at Luohu. You have to walk thru (with you luggage)
Hongkong immigration and Chinese customs. If you have a lot of luggage,
you'd better prepare a pashcart or something with you. When you reach 
the Chinese customs, some plain clothed customs officers do offer to help
you carry you luggage with their pushcarts at a RIP-OFF (usu like HK$200
or something). I did it all by myself and it was devastating.

- Li, Qiang
From: lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Dui Lian
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:12:30 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <Oct.5.15.52.10.1992.18713@europa.rutgers.edu> pli@europa.rutgers.edu (Peiyuan Li) writes:
>Is there anyperson to know the Dui Lian in Wu Hou Shi, Chengdu,
>Shichuan, which was famous historically. 
>
>..PL

Well, read "Sichuan Folks" #2.
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao)
Subject: Re: BASIC DECENCY
Organization: MITRE
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:29:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.164133.1@ducvax.auburn.edu>, haiqiu@ducvax.auburn.edu
writes:
> 
> In article <9227920.8407@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
> > 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) 
>  
> > Yes, I sometimes wonder why the USA supplied arms and supports to both
> > KMT and CCP during the Civil War.
> 
>   Are you sure? To both KMT and CCP? I have never heard that the CCP got any
> American equipment during the civil war. IMHO, the CCP soldiers did have some
> American weapons, which were surrendered by the defeated KMT army.
> 
> --HAMLET
> 
> 
I do not know how to say it.  If somebody want to delete my saying, it's
o.k, but please delete my name also (the sentence start with 129.83).  The
sentence start with "Yes" is not my original one.  Sorry, no
comment.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuxia@wam.umd.edu (New VaxHacker)
Subject: HELP! TEXT of the BILL!!!
Originator: liuxia@rac1.wam.umd.edu
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:49:39 GMT


Could some one please send me a copy of the bill just 
passed by the Senate? I think I saved but can't find
it any more. 

Thanks.

Liu Xia
From: xue@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: CURRENT FOREIGN EXCHANGE RATE IN CHINA CHANGED?
Date: 26 Sep 92 13:12:12 GMT

Anybody who heard that foreign exchange rate between China and U.S.A.
had been raised from 5.21:1 to 9:1? This seems incredible.


Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:26587 soc.culture.taiwan:14061 soc.culture.hongkong:11583
From: laub@Software.Mitel.COM (Boniface Lau)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: chinese book store info needed
Date: 27 Sep 92 00:22:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.
In-reply-to: zzang@stat.ufl.edu's message of 26 Sep 92 14:06:20 GMT

>>>>> On 26 Sep 92 14:06:20 GMT, zzang@stat.ufl.edu (zzang) said:

zzang> Hello, I am interested in buying some Chinese books, classic or
zzang> modern; but I don't know where I can go looking for.  could
zzang> someone give me some info on the good Chinese book stores here
zzang> in the US.

Chinese bookstores are typically located within big Chinatowns.  

Of the places that I have been to in the states, the San Francisco
Chinatown has the largest variety of Chinese bookstores. It has
bookstores operated by people from mainland China, Taiwan, and Hong
Kong. Some of these bookstores are very well stocked and have a large
variety of books.

Of course, on the east coast, there are also big Chinese bookstores in
places like Manhattan, Washington D.C., etc.  However, the selections
are very limited when comparing to those in San Francisco.

---
Boniface Lau    (613) 592-2122 ext. 3042    Boniface_Lau@Mitel.COM
Mitel Corp., 350 Legget Drive, Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2K 1X3

The basis of moderating desire is in returning to essential nature.
  The basis of returning to essential nature 
    is in removing the burden of accretions.    -- Huainanzi
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: History of Xinjiang?
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:56:03 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <15881@mindlink.bc.ca> Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) writes:
>    This post is not intended to argue whether Xinjiang should be a part of
>China or not.  But currently it is a part of China.
>
>    In article <1992Sep30.113647.59298@cc.usu.edu> (30 Sep 92) ma@cc.usu.edu
>writes,
>
>> There were guerrilla, or may called Tu3 Fei3 (remember KMT called CCP Gong4
>> Fei3) everywhere in China at that time.  Some claimed their own
>governments,
>> as CCP did.  But they were all cleaned up after 1949.
>
>    The "East Turkistan Republic" mentioned in the original post is not a
>bandits' bastion.  If my memory serves, it is called "San Shan Uprising"
>in CCP's history book.  Forget what the "three mountains" (San Shan) means.
>The capital is Yinin, but CCP said it was a _local_ government (covering a
>couple of counties in the west part of Xinjiang), and CCP members led the
>revolt to kick the KMT out of Xinjiang.  Well, Saifuding (this is Pinyin)
>was said to be one of the leaders, later he became the Governor of Xinjiang.
>But the uprising should be around 1947, not 1944, as said in the original
>post.
>
>    It seems the real story is very different from CCP's version.
>
>    Don't know why I didn't ask locals about this event, when I visited
>this area in the end of '60s.  At that time I should be able to recall
>more about this uprising.  Kazakh girls' dance must have been too enchanted
>:-).
>
>    One thing I still remember clearly: those nomads have no conception of
>national state at all.  They still couldn't understand why now they were not
>allowed to go to Soviet in the grazing season, as they did before 1962.
>
From what I've read, after 1912, Xinjian had been in a turmoil situation
until 1949. It has many power, ethnic, ideological groups involved,
including CCP, Sheng Shi Cai, Ma Bu Fang(or his brothers), White
Russians (of course Red too) and many many more. And Eastern Turkistan
Republic was one of them, and not a big one. 

I also read a story about the Republic, according to CCP, that an
American Cancellate Officer named (Ma Li Ke) was involved.

Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: rzhu@math.uwaterloo.ca (Rupert Zhu)
Subject: Unzip, Electronic Book, FTP Site
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:24:20 GMT


I received about 8--10 messages asking for information regarding
electronic books.  Here is a summary.

Q: How To Unzip (Uncompress) A File?

A: ZIP is a compression/archive format for files.  A zipped file has a
   much smaller size, but it cannot be read directly.  One need to
   unzip it first, then read.  A zipped file has its file name attached
   a suffix (.zip).  E.g.,  zen10.zip,  book2.zip, etc..
       ZIP format is very popular among IBM/PC users.  Some UNIX systems,
   and some mainframe machine has also installed it.  But many others still
   haven't.
       You can ask your system manager to see if a version of UNZIP program
   has been installed.  If not, you will have to download the zipped files
   to a PC, and use  PKUNZIP  program to uncomress it.
       PKUNZIP program can be obtained via anonymous FTP from
            Site:      ahkcus.org
            Directory: src/pc
            File:      pk110eu.exe


Q: What is the IP number of the FTP site OAK.OAKLAND.EDU? (for electronic books)

A: I don't know.  Can anyone help check it?   Thanks!


Additional Information:

      There is a very powerful software called  "gopher", which can give
      you convenient access to online books.  If your site is on internet,
      you are suggested to ask your system manager for it first.


Good luck!


Information Exchange
---------------------            rzhu@math.uwaterloo.ca
Rupert Zhu  (in Canada)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Mailing address for Mr. Steve Lin
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:37:04 GMT

In article <s075198.718292946@cunews> s075198@mercury.carleton.ca (Jun Liu)  
writes:
> In <97589@bu.edu> lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
> 
> >Thank Mr. Lin for his promise. Here is the mailing address
> >for donation to school kids in rural China:
> 
> >Ms. Jie Kang
> >2610 E. 5 pl, Apt.1,
> >TULSA, OK 74104
> 
> >Please make your check payable to:
> 
> >China SOS Education Fund
> 
> Applaud for your efforts!
> 
> However, have we thought of the following facts: in 1991, when
> all major millitary powers were enjoying the peace dividend, the 
> Chinses millitary expenses increased more than 12% and education
> and research increased less than 5%? University enrollment was 
> kept unchanged! You may say I am cynical, but with a good reason.

In fact, some so-called patriots only care about China's military power. I  
guess only the military power makes them feel good about China. In my opinion,  
the current CG has nothing but a strong army, just like a big, strong, stupid  
and penniless man.

Carl