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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: NARAM SUMMARY????
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:46:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.210656.19215@cbfsb.cb.att.com> hrbob@ixstar.ih.att.com (R.E. Wiersbe) writes:

>I'm getting the impression that this year was ho-hum, even the guys who went
>from our club didn't have much to say. The only things I heard about were the
>Great Estes Prang and some insanity about scaring turtles to death. Oh yeah,
>they also said it was hot.

OK.. tell us all about it... Great Estes prang? Scaring turtles to 
death! Hmmmm...





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Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: elder@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Greg Elder)
Subject: Boost Glider Problem
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:44:05 GMT


    During Saturday's monthly launch of the Superstition Spacemodeling
Society, my son and I flew 7 rockets (Athena, Big Bertha, Strike Fighter,
Black Brant II, Helio-Copter, Straight Up, and Never Loop).  I was most
interested in the last 2 as these were competition kits that I had
purchased rfrom QCR.  The Straight Up flew beautifully but the Never Loop
(a boost glider) turned out to be a catastrophe for me.

    I used a B6-2 engine (B4-2 and B6-2 are the recommended engines).
Shortly after lift-off, a portion of the left wing tore off.  The glider
then took a nose dive into the ground.  The break wasn't at a glue joint
but on a "clean" part of the wood.  Also, the break wasn't even but a
rather jagged tear.  Since this was my first try at a boost glider, I'm
interested in knowing what may have gone wrong.  Could the wood have been
defective in some way?  Are there common mistakes in constructing a B/G
that would have caused this to happen?  I want to build and fly another
B/G but I would like to know, if possible, what went wrong on my first
attempt.

   By the way, there were some interesting launches Saturday.  I saw one of
those Klingon space ships fly for the first time.  I never thought those
things could fly but this one went great.  Someone flew a Saturn V on an
E engine (don't remember specifically which engine other than an E).
Another person flew an old Centauri Flying Saucer.  Ed Lacroix flew one of
his egg lofters with an E engine from a tower.  I lost sight of the rocket
but someone with binoculars tracked it and Ed recovered the rocket just fine.
Many other people were flying rockets that they will use at next month's
NARWIN.

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Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: soc1070                         
Subject: More NCR Problems
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:11:00 GMT

Yesterday out at the flying field, one of our members brought out the 
latest offering from North Coast Rocketry - one of the new plastic cones.

This cone was pathetic! Oh, the plastic itself was ok - but the 
dimensions were way off! The cone was the NC-26P, designed for their
2.7 inch O.D. tube. The section of the cone that is supposed to slide
into the tube was way too small, off by .130! Dale, the guy who bought
the cone, found out by accident that the cone fits really well into
the STAGE COUPLER (!). But, after thinking he may be able to save this
cone, Dale discovered that the diameter of the shoulder is off-center
by almost .063 (1/16) inch.

Needless to say, he is sending it back. I don't think NCR is going to 
be able to blame this one on differences in humidity between their
location and ours!


Tim Harincar				Kill Your Television.			
Central Minnesota 		
Association of Rocketry		
soc1070@vx.acs.umn.edu		
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: <Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu>  (Roger Wilfong)
Subject: Re: How do I reach Ed LaCroix?
Organization: UofM Hospitals
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:11:00 GMT

In Article <1992Oct9.143957.12897@research.nj.nec.com> "gll@phoenix (Gary Lindgren)" says:
> Does anyone out there know how I can reach Ed LaCroix of Apogee Systems? 
> I think he has an account on Compuserve (which I don't remember) and I don't
> know how to get from the Internet to Compuserve.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Gary Lindgren
>
You can reach Ed using TCP/IP at <71441.111@compuserve.com>.
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: parachute 101
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:43:54 GMT

In article <2OCT199209164090@vx.cis.umn.edu> soc1070                          writes:

>One thing that I found that is great for 'chutes and is bright colored
>is Pazzaz Wrap. It's basically mylar gift wrap in all kinds of funky
>colors. Its also semi-transparent, so on a bright sunny day they
>seem to glow! I like the red and gold my self, but the aqua is cool
>too if your not recovering in an area where it could become like camo.

>I have found this wrap in most gift shops and places like Target and
>Kmart. I think it was 3.50 for 3 sheets that were 18x22 (?).


I used to be able to buy a very strong mylar-like cellophane 
called Clearphane. It came in 50 foot x 24" rolls for $4 in a 
whole bunch of colors. Reasonably strong; I use it to cover 
foam wings. If anyone comes across any let me know. The craft 
store chain in Indy quit selling it and substituted a far weaker
1/2 mil cellophane... $1 for 5 feet, 12 inches wide. 

There was also an irridescent very thin cellophane.






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Organization: Doctoral student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 10:39:15 -0400 
From: Lawrence Curcio <lc2b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Drag Coefficients

I took some more data in my RASP program verification project, and I
think I have an answer to an age-old, (and recently-asked) question: 

Q: "Can a single drag coefficient be used to describe an entire flight?"

A: "Yes, but only if the rocket is made by a nine-year-old."

RASP programs, used to back-track altitude from measured ascent time,
consistently under-estimate altitudes for trimmed rockets in my data and
in Gerald Gregorek's data (from ESTES TR11). Rockets in my data, made by
a nine-year-old friend, correspond well. Gregorek's untrimmed ALPHA
corresponds well. Apparently, flow over the rocket must be uniformly
turbulent.

I have some confirmation experiments to do, since I'm basing this
conclusion on 5 flights of untrimmed rockets, but that's the way it
looks right now.

This would imply that a very large rocket might correspond well. 

Any suggestions or references for representing other rockets? Mike
Dorffler's R-K programs don't help, BTW.

Regards,
-Larry C
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: Not a NARAM Summary...
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:48:27 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Oct13.210542.24827@infonode.ingr.com>, jim@doink.b23b.ingr.com (James B. Reed) writes:
> In article <7182@transfer.stratus.com>, cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
> |> In article <1992Oct8.171352.16982@infonode.ingr.com>, jim@doink.b23b.ingr.com (James B. Reed) writes:
> |> > the star of the show was to be a 21 pound, 7 1/2 foot tall V-2...
> |> 
> |> Should I ask if this bird had ever been test-flown...?
> 
> Since the publicly advertised purpose of the launch was to
> commemorate the V-2's 50th anniversary, I doubt they wanted
> to risk losing the rocket with a test flight.

My point is, which is the bigger risk:  a highly-visible failure in
front of large numbers of spectators and TV cameras, possibly even
injuring someone in the crowd; or having the failure happen before
the crowd arrives, and possibly not having a model to fly that day?
The latter is embarrassing; the former is potentially impoverishing.

Really -- after two experiences of my own with this type of gamble, I
no longer indulge in it.  Never fly ANYTHING at a public demonstration 
that you haven't flown before.  Even THEN there are no guarantees.
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Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: pthomson@iastate.edu (I Forgot)
Subject: Re: July BPP for ftp
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:32:22 GMT

In <9OCT199215355783@vx.cis.umn.edu> soc1070                          writes:

>Since the new issue of the Black Powder Picayune is about to be published,
>I have decided to put the last issue on the archive for everyone who
>doesn't subscribe. The files are julybpp.sit for the Mac folks and 
>julbpp.zip for the Unwashed Heathen of DOS. All of the articles are ascii
>files for easy reading. 

At what site is the archive??

>----------
>Tim Harincar				Kill Your Television.			
>Central Minnesota 		
>Association of Rocketry		
>soc1070@vx.acs.umn.edu		
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: gll@phoenix (Gary Lindgren)
Subject: How do I reach Ed LaCroix?
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 14:39:57 GMT

Does anyone out there know how I can reach Ed LaCroix of Apogee Systems? 
I think he has an account on Compuserve (which I don't remember) and I don't
know how to get from the Internet to Compuserve.

Any help would be appreciated.

TIA,

Gary Lindgren
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: <Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu>  (Roger Wilfong)
Subject: The Raus are brothers, was: Changes to FAQ
Organization: UofM Hospitals
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:29:00 GMT

In Article <Bw2AnF.KuL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> "smith@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Greg Smith)" says:
> 
> There is a good article on rocket TV from an amateur radio perspective 
> in the August, 1990 issue of _73 Amateur Radio_, p. 52, written by Bob 
> Rau, N8IYD (any relation to Richard Rau of THOY?  I don't know, but they 
> ARE both in Michigan ...).
> 
 
The Raus are infact brother.  While Rich runs THOY, Bob has his own company,
High Technology Flight, that has a line of electronic payloads (computers, 
video, etc.).  If you are interested, the address is:
 
  High Technology Flight
  1450 Jeffery
  Ypsilanti, MI  48198
  (313) 482-2649 - voice
  (313) 482-2657 - data
   
The data line is also the Michigan Rocket Bulliten Board.
From: rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Randy J. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Ta 152H again...
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:43:44 GMT
Organization: US WEST Communications, Inc. -- Denver, CO

DML's 1/72 Ta 152H-1 is out. Nice kit. Cost me about $11.50 at my local shop.
No swastika's on the decal sheet.

It's just like the other 1/72 kits: recessed panel lines, a few pieces of
photo-etched steel.

Randy
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From: st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: wooden ship models
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:55:00 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <SIMONS.92Oct16101610@tuntu.think.com>, simons@tuntu.think.com (Joshua Simons) writes...
> 
>I'd like to start getting into building wooden models of sailing
>ships, initially from kits. I'd appreciate any information on the
>following:
> 
>	- a mail-order source for good quality ship models.
> 
>	- a mail-order source for good quality modelling tools.
> 
>	- some pointers on what tools are the most important to have

I just got started into this too.  Man, do I need advice!  Anyways, I found
one good place to shop.  It's called Model Expo (800-222-3876) and they cater 
to ship builders.  Another one is the Dromedary.  I called them up once and
have never ordered from them.  Call 'em at (915)584-2445.

I've only built one wooden ship.  Actually, this doesn't count.  It was from
Sterling and it was R/C.  Mind you, she was made entirely of balsa and mahog-
aney, but she was no HMS Victory!

I know nothing about rigging, or the woods used.  I don't even know what
"proper" tools to use.  I think they have many books and videos to show you
how.  The only book I have is Smeed's boat modeling book hardly a help to the
scale wooden boat modeler.

I just ordered Dynamite (yes, that's his name!) Payson's book on ship modeling.
I hope that'll teach me a thing or two!

Oliver
st1ec@rosie.uh.edu

> 
>Thanks for any information.
> 
>-josh simons
> 
>--
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Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver)
Subject: Re: Peanut Scale
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 05:06:00 GMT

>For information on indoor modelling, agood reference book is ` Building
>and flying Indoor Model Airplanes' by Ron Williams - might be available from
>Peck Polymers.  While there I think that Bob Peck wrote a book on indoor
>modelling, but I haven't seen that one.
> 
>Model builder used to publish peanut plans and info every month for a
>while and I hear that they are about to start again.  If you can find
>someone with back issues of Model Builder they may help you.
> 

I got MODEL BUILDER PLANS CATALOG #1 and they have some interesting rubber 
powered airplane plans.  None are peanut scale, but they look interesting.  
Well, some of the plans are old (from the 30's!) so for you sentimental
types it's worth looking into.

I bought their Bunker Boat plans that were redone from the late fifties.
They're timeless, ageless wonders still!

BTW, they also have these plans for a miniature helium balloon!  It's suppose
to work with R/C (well, I guess this should be in R/C but the balloon is
scale).  Curious indeed!

Oliver
st1ec@rosie.uh.edu
>Charlie Stone.
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>  											 
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From: mcsdc1rem@dct.ac.uk (HUNTER)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale,alt.models
Subject: F-4 Phantom (British)
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:03:17 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology


Does anyone out there have any technical info / scale plans
for the British version of the F-4 Phantom (f-4k f-4m anf f-4j(uk))_??

I am particularly interested in the F-4K as I intend building a model
of 111 Squadrons 'Black' Phantom.  Also any body will to part with 
piccys of this aircraft would be most welcome (willing to pay for copies!!)

Any help appreciated.  EMAIL appreciated as I don't often get a chance
to read these newsgroups.

Cheers.

HUNTER--

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Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: peterco@eff.org (Peter Cohen)
Subject: Early 80's Honda Model Kits?
Originator: peterco@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:19:09 GMT

What are your suggestions for tracking early 80's Honda kits?  I know
Tamiya has a couple still in circulation.  What I'm really looking for is
a model of an 80-83 Civic.  Anyone with info is welcome to call me or email.


-- 
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| peterco@eff.org | Heck!  My employer doesn't even know I'm here! |
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Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: cel@nsscmail.att.com (clayton EDward LEIHY iii)
Subject: Re: looking for a Honda Gold Wing Aspencade (motorcycle)
Followup-To: rec.models.scale
Organization: NCR Systems Support Center - New Jersey
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:15:36 GMT

I've been looking for a fairly large-scale model of my motorcycle,
a 1986 Honda Aspencade (a top-of-the-line Gold Wing).  I know at
one time they were available, but must now be "out of print" (?).

Anybody seen one of these around?  Actually any years between 84-87
would be useful.

Ed "A Serious Buyer" Leihy
NCR (An AT$T Company)
5000 Hadley Road
S. Plainfield, NJ  07080
(908) 668-6319 voice
(908) 668-6617 fax
attmail:   !cleihy
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver)
Subject: Re: Info using optical fibre and small scale lighting
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:57:00 GMT

In article <jfarmer.719249797@sfu.ca>, jfarmer@fraser.sfu.ca (Jason Michael Farmer) writes...
>st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver) writes:
> 
>>Are you in luck!  The September 1992 issue of FSM has an article on lighting.
>>Some fella did quite a job on his Batmobile.  He used optical fiber and LED's
>>and other goodies.
> 
>>If you can't find a copy, I can photocopy it for you.  Email me for more
>>info on address.
> 
>>Oliver
>>st1ec@rosie.uh.edu
> 
>I'm sorry... 'FSM'? stands for?
> 

FSM == FineScale Modeler

Oliver
st1ec@rosie.uh.edu

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From: st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: Info using optical fibre and small scale lighting
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:38:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <16975@bcars664.bnr.ca>, jmacmill@bnr.ca (John MacMillan) writes...
>I am new to this news group so forgive me if there happened to be a recent
>thread on my request.
> 
>I have been experimenting with optical fibre and LEDs in models in an effort
>to get some "way cool" effects in some Star Trek ships.
> 
>I am wondering if anyone has experience in doing this. I'd like to discuss
>any methods/materials you have used. Do you know of any books or magazine
>articles dealing with this?
> 
>(613) 763-4186
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Are you in luck!  The September 1992 issue of FSM has an article on lighting.
Some fella did quite a job on his Batmobile.  He used optical fiber and LED's
and other goodies.

If you can't find a copy, I can photocopy it for you.  Email me for more
info on address.

Oliver
st1ec@rosie.uh.edu
From: st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: License Required ?
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:31:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: rosie.9OCT199214312905
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct09.075924.27908@hplb.hpl.hp.com>, rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com writes...
>	Hi folks,
> 
>	Does anyone know if you need a license to build a scale replica
>	of a car ? eg. me building a 1/8th scale XJ-220.
> 
>	Thanks in advance for any help :-}
> 
> 
>	Cheers,
> 
> 
>		RIK
> 
> 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Rik O'Chet, Bristol, England.		
>Email: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com		One's never alone with a Rubber Duck !
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I've never heard of needing a license to build any model here in the U.S.  You
really need a license to build 1/8th scale models in England?  Wow, those are 
some serious modelers! 

BTW, what is a XJ-220?  Just curious.

Oliver
st1ec@rosie.uh.edu
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From: matt@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale,alt.models
Subject: Re: Swastikas 
Date: 15 Oct 92 10:06:06 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <urf.719043838@sw2001>, urf@icl.se (Urban F) writes:
> msprague@superior.mcwbst311b (Mike Sprague) writes:
> 
>>Not that I'm a neo-Nazi or anything, :-) but when I build a model, I
>>expect it to to look like the subject, even if a decal is not exactly
>>"politically correct."
> 
> The problem is, that in Germany swastikas are actually forbidden. As
> it is impractical to market versions of the same kit, most have them
> deleted altogether.
> 
> --
>  Urban Fredriksson   urf@icl.se  (n.g.u.fredriksson.swe2001@oasis.icl.co.uk)
>  Knowledge is power: Read books!

I confess to being a bit of a fence-sitter as far as swastikas on models
go.  Sometimes I put them on, and sometimes I don't.  It depends on the
kit and how much work I've put into it.  If it is going to be a really good
showpiece-type model I usually put them on, but if it's just a "quickie"
then I usually leave them off.  
  I am married to a Dutch woman, and her parents were in Holland during the
Nazi occupation.  Interestingly, the swastikas don't seem to bother them,
but they say if kits with swastikas were sold in Europe someone would break
into the shop and trash the place.  I don't know about this last bit; they've 
lived in New Zealand for around forty years so they may be exaggerating.
But I do know that wartime memories are still very strong in Europe and for 
that reason I often leave them off.  However, for accuracy on showpiece kits, 
I sometimes put them on anyway.
  I have a friend who is very religious.  He does not put swastikas on his
German aircraft because they are mystical symbols used in witchcraft and he
doesn't want that sort of thing in his house.  Interestingly, he doesn't
like Jewish stars of David for the same reason.
  As for luscious babe nose art, that doesn't bother me.  Nor are people 
whom it would bother likely to take a good look at my collection, so it's
a non-issue as far as I'm concerned.

Matt
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