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From: v999saum@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Varnavas A. Lambrou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: INVASION 1974
Date: 17 Dec 92 07:54:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

INVASION 1974


On the morning of 20th July 1974, Turkey announced to the world that she was
mounting a "peace-keeping operation" in Cyprus.


"Peacekeeping"

Though Turkish planes dropped leaflets on Cyprus promising peace and friendship,
the operation was code-named "ATTILA" by the Turkish military command.

The Turkish forces landed near Kyrenia. They killed civilians, raped women and
looted.
Meanwhile Turkish airforce planes screaming low all over Cyprus bombed 
hospitals, homes and hotels and burned forests. They used napalm.

The use of terror tactics and indiscriminate cruelty was deliberate. Turkey
wanted to grab territory without its population. And the methods were effective.
They terrified the civilians who came under the Turkish Army's jackboot. They 
fled.


"Restoring Constitutional Order"


The constitution of Cyprus, of which Turkey was one of the three guarantors
provides for a unitary, independent, territorially integral Cyprus.
The Treaty of Guarantee of 1960 between the Republic of Cyprus on the one part
and Greece, Turkey and United Kingdom on the other states:

"Greece, Turkey and the United Kingdom...recognize the independence, territorial
integrity and security of the Republic of Cyprus, and also the state of affairs
established by the basic Articles of its Constitution."

The treaty also provides that:

"In so far as common or concerted action may not prove possible, each of the
three guaranteeing powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim
of re-establishing the state of affairs created by the present Treaty."

But all this was a scrap of paper for the Government of Turkey.
By the 23rd July, 1974, Turkish troops held 3% of the territory of Cyprus.
There were about 5000 refugees who had fled their homes. The United Nations
Security Council had met and urgently called for an end to all military
intervention in the Republic of Cyprus.

After a United Nations supervised ceasefire was established on July 23rd, after
the UN Security Council had called on Turkey to withdraw its forces from Cyprus,
while a peace conference was going on in Geneva, Turkish troops backed by armour
steadily expanded the corridor they had earlier occupied, capturing village 
after village and emptying it of its inhabitants.
The small Cypriot armed force fought desperately. They knew that it was
conquest that they were facing. But disorganized and betrayed by the coup,
armed with First World War rifles, no armour and no airforce, their fighting
was more of an expression of Cypriot determination to remain free, rather
than an effective counter to Turkey's well-armed military might.

On the 12th of August, the Turkish army mounted a second full scale offensive.
Three thousand Cypriots were killed, and eighteen years later 1619 are still
missing. 37% of the area of Cyprus came under the Turkish military 
occupation.


Varnavas A. Lambrou
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis)
Subject: Re: Greek Coffee, Reading Turkish grounds...
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 14 Dec 92 04:18:17 GMT

kk@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Konstantinos Konstantinides) writes:

>There is a monograph on the topic (in Greek) by Elias Petropoulos.
>However, I don't remember other details.
>The monograph has lots of figures and discusses the art of
>coffee reading in Greek prisons.

   That's O tourkikos kafes en elladi (Athens, Ekdoseis Grammata, 1979).
A very interesting book, with many illustrations, including some of
coffee-grounds patterns with their supposed meanings.  The title, of
course, is deliberately provocative.  In case anyone wasn't upset enough
by it, Petropoulous makes a point of beginning his book by saying, "Oi
Tourkoi, opou deon na thewrountai paterades twn neoellinwn, metaksu
allwn agathwn kai deinwn pou mas eklirodotisan einai kai o kafes."
(Hey, don't flame me for it -- I'm not saying it, I'm just quoting his
impudence.)
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:11:52 EST
From: <2971047@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: U of Thessaloniki

I'm still trying to get hold of an e-mail address that works for
University of Thessaloniki..

Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

                                 gp
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Subject: Re: Did you know?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:48:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.120434.329@ifi.unizh.ch> lambri@ifi.unizh.ch (Dimitrios Lambrinos) writes:
>
>Did you know that Odyseas Androutsos, one of the most famous Greek national 
>heroes, was mouslim? (Mouslim Greek).


Did he convert? I know that he was a christian vlach from Olumpus mountain
(then in Macedonia).

Gr
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,sci.classics
From: barring@cs.washington.edu (David Barrington)
Subject: Re: Pronounciation of Greek names...
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 18:34:00 GMT

I suuppose this confusion of G's and C's is why the praenomina
"Gaius" and "Gnaius" are abbreviated "C." and "Cn.", e.g.,
"C. Julius Caesar".

Dave MB

Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: baysan@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Okan Baysan)
Subject: Re: Continuation on CYPRUS, Palikaria Terrorists and Makarios!
Summary: Federation in Cyprus? How?
Keywords: Palikaria, Enosis, PKK, Troodos Mts, South Cyprus
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 22:47:03 GMT
Expires: January 1994

In article <BzE2rs.AtI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> msg7038@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michalis  Syrimis) writes:
 
>How about any changes from the Turkish Cypriot side?
>Don't you think that "some" of them are necessary too?
>
>For instance, recognition of the right of refugees to return
>to their homes and properties, the freedom of property, the
>freedom of movement.

Listen Michali! The right of refugees to return to their homes and properties
was indeed recognised during the recent NY talks. Ghali et al was overshocked
to hear that from the TRNC President. BUT that is not the problem. The problem
is, has Vasiliou accepted the following?

	Effective Turkish Guarantee will remain
	Rotational Presidency
	EQUALITY
	Territorial Adjustments to be determinded by the two sides not Ghali 
	Bi-zonality
        Sovereignty and Self-determination rights of the Turkish Cypriot people

He has not said or implied a single 'NAI' for each and every one of the 
items above. Then what kind of Federation are we looking for ? One which will
return Cyprus into Palikaria land or one which promote people like Nicos
the Sampson to more crucial positions in the federal government. 

>On all of the above Mr. Denktash agreed with Mr. Vassiliou in 
>August, but then he changed his mind in October.

Just because Palikaria-influenced Ghali tried to impose his pre-prepared
map to the Turkish Cypriot side and deviated from the pre-mentioned
procedure of discussing the crucial issues concerning the federal structure 
of the government. Rather, he chose to apply pressure on the Turkish Cypriot
side and pat Vasiliou on the back. Let me tell you. Cyprus issue has been 
well resolved as it is now, and there is no need for pressure. 


>Michalis Syrimis
>University of Illinois
>Urbana-Champaign
>

Cheers,
Okan Baysan 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Subject: Re: Pronuncation of Greek names in Homer's Odyssey
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:31:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.221535.16174@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> trevore@vast.unsw.edu.au (Trevor Elbourne (Supr. Hell) BE) writes:
>
>times the chosen colors would be strange. The most comon one (to my memory
>again) is the discription of blood being black (or what is now used for the
>word black in modern greek).


Is it possible that you confuse it with the expression "melana chole"?
This means in ancient greek (and almost in the modern too) "black bile".
They thought that the pathologically sad people had black bile, and from
this comes the modern medical term "malancholy" for serious depression.

The modern word for black is not "melan" but "mauro".


>Although I don't think they had the word "kokkino"
>ie red but possibly another name for it.


The ancient word for red was "erythron". Do you forget the
"erythra hemiselenos" and "erythros aster"? :-)


Gr
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Continuation on CYPRUS, Palikaria Terrorists and Makarios!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 04:28:15 GMT
Keywords: Palikaria, Enosis, PKK, Troodos Mts, South Cyprus

 Michalis Syrimis (msg7038@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
> 
>>The hell MORFOU, KERYNIA, KARPASIA, and AMMOXWSTOS are HELLENIC TERRITORIES.
>>There was not a single Turkish Cypriot leaving in most of the above areas
>>before 1974.
> 
 Okan Baysan (baysan@en.ecn.purdue.edu) replied:

>Why don't you soak your head for a change? Cyprus has never been Greek and
>will never be one. In fact, the map of Cyprus has been changed for good
>for the past 18 years and that is the only best possible solution for the 
>next several generations to come. Take it or leave it!

 Hm, this should be one of the morals for the neo-Turks of the 2,000.

 Step 1: You invade a sovereign country, kill and rape, destroy property,
	 perform ethnic cleansing, and finally grasp about 40% of the
	 teritory.

 Step 2: Ignore UN, since you have big balls.

 Step 3: Call the refugees to soak their head for a change.

 Step 4: Give the other side two options: take it, or leave it.

 Aaaah, nice world, isn't it?

 Panos Tamamidis
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis)
Subject: Re: Greek Coffee, Reading Turkish grounds...
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:15:22 GMT


   A Greek woman told me once that if the coffee sloshed over the rim of
the cup a little bit the first time you picked it up, it meant that you
would get money.
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: akoma enas plastografos...
Date: 12 Dec 1992 17:29:15 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Niko, ase ta sexoualika sou sxetika me ton kyrio Bozkurt Celik. Einai
oso alhthinos kai o filos mas Serdar Arxid (oops, Argic (translate
THAT, MUTLU.EXE!)).

To mynhma stalthke apo to acsu.buffalo.edu alla o system admin tous
einai paparas olkhs (teleiws lakhs). Mallon einai apo PC set 
to do news over, say, ethernet, kai den exei oute logs oute safh idea
poios einai. Apo to Buffalo to plasto phge sto ohio-state. To 
waterloo den eixe kameia sxesh. 

Ante Re kai xronia mas polla...

Spiros
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: baysan@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Okan Baysan)
Subject: Re: lecture by prof. whatshisname (LONG)
Summary: Lectures won't change the facts in Cyprus
Keywords: Palikaria, Enosis (Unioin of Cyprus with Greece), Vasiliou 
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 22:59:42 GMT

In article <2b223f5c.st486@st486.UUCP> Spiros Triantafyllopoulos <st486!strianta@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> writes:
>I do not wish to irritate the following nationalities: Greeks (you'll see
>    why, Turks, Greek and Turkish Cypriots, Israelis, Lebanese, Syrians,
>    Puerto Ricans, French, Iranians, Greek Socialists (:-), and a few more).

How about the Palikaria nation? Are they also on your list?

>My proposal is that TRNC will have a much better chance of being accepted
>as a nation by UN and the international community at large if it starts
>behaving like an INDEPENDENT NATION and not like a PROTECTORATE of Turkiye.
>
Turkish  Cypriots will depend on Turkiye until they can stand on their
feet and after. I have no problem with this at all. TRNC is thankful to
Turkiye for preventing the extermination of Turkish Cypriots and defending 
them against the heavily armed Enosis supporter Greek/Greek Cypriot 
Palikaria in South Cyprus. 

>Cyprus is rather straightforward. Mother Turkiye invades island, occupies
>much more land than it should, brings in 80,000 settlers and a few 
>thousand troops, gets the same guy as leader since 1974 and just SITS there
>recognized by only ONE country.

Of course if you say so. "Mother" Greece invaded Cyprus just 5 days 
before Turkiye legally intervened. Greek Junta had absolutely no legal
basis to organize a coup and annex Cyprus to Greece whereas Turkiye had
a perfect legal basis to intervene the situation and prevent the Palikaria
dreams. The Peace Operation was successfully accomplished. Who cares if
you or others call it invasion? Wake up and smell the roses, the map of
Cyprus has been changed for good. RECOGNIZE NORTH CYPRUS AS YOUR EQUAL 
PARTNER FIRST IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT A POSSIBLE FEDERATION.

>
>Of course, pissing off the rest of the world for internal gains is nothing
>new. I can thing of several countries who have done it or have been doing it
>for years and it has worked wonders for them.

Just look at your "motherland" Greece, no other country.

 
>/* AN ANALOGY */

The recognition of Republic of Macedonia is being blocked just like the
recognition of TRNC. In both cases, Greek claims are similar if not exactly
the same.
 
>Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                         strianta@st486.UUCP
>OUZO POWER                                        [Will This Work?]


Cheers,
Okan Baysan.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Subject: Re: Aegina
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:52:56 GMT

In article <6N6XVB2w164w@cellar.org> wfk@cellar.org (William F. Kershner) writes:
>Would anyone be interested in talking about Aegina and other nearby islands?
>I visited this past summer and miss it terribly.  Send e-mail!
>
>________________________________________
>William F. Kershner
>wfk%cellar@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com
>wfk@cellar.org
>----------------------------------------


Some people try to forget their past good times in the wonders
of the islands because they have to be concentrated in their
jobs; but you want to painfully open old memories...!


Gr
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: gavras@acs.bu.edu (alexis gavras)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: RE: Re: GREEK TAKEOUT
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:32:05 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: gavras@acs.bu.edu

sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes in article <1992Dec13.174244.12978
@enea.se>


>Chrys Pelegris <chrysp@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>>    Hahah.. so now, Greece should take the word of Rob Kaplan that they
>>    have no territorial aggressions towards Greece?  No one can make such
>>    absolute statements - no one knows what the future holds for any nation.

>That's right. Bomb Athens now! Before they invade Turkey, Macedonia,
>Albania and whatever comes in their way.

>Why do I get the impression that 9 out 10 articles from Greek posters
>make me sick?
 

Gee, I suppose with that you've demonstrated how much more elevated you are...
or perhaps you're trying return the favor? Think first, then write.


>Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se


                         -Alexis
                                   

"Without music there would truly be reason to go mad."

                            -Tchaikovsky


Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Subject: Re: Contiunuation on CYPRUS
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:36:29 GMT

In article <Bz675I.EKM@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Besime Erin) writes:
>In article <Bz20Gs.3Lw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> msg7038@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michalis  Syrimis) writes:
>>
>>Very disappointed
>
>What are you disappointed about ?
>
>The fact that you HAVE NO CHANCE of getting North Cyprus back unless you
>start behaving right ?!!!!
>
>Besime Erin


 Yes, like the 12,000,000 Kurds behave in Turkey. They are (up till 2
 years ago) mountainous Turks.

 Don't be so sure lady. History hasn't finished yet. We'll have more
 movies ahead of us.


 Gr
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: v999saum@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Varnavas A. Lambrou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Some questions to you...
Date: 19 Dec 92 17:26:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

After having send the following message to the list more than ten days ago,
I was expecting some of the readers of to answer or comment on these questions.

Neither of these two happened, so I can presume two things:

	(a) You did not notice the message, or you deleted it by mistake,
	(b) You cannot or will not answer the questions, either because
            you are too fanatic to just read them, or you want to answer
            them but you are afraid to do so, because you will be considered
            as a traitor to your fellow  turks.

I hope the reason is the first one, so I am sending the message once more,
but if the reason is the second one, please feel free to answer privately,
if you are afraid of anything. 
The message is as follows:

I have read some of the comments about the Cyprus issue, and I would like
to know certain things. Firtsly, I would like to tell you that I am a 
greekcypriot, and I am a refugee from the village of Palekythro near Kythrea.
(I think they named it Palikesyr now).
I ,also, believe in a federal solution to the Cyprus problem, with guarantee
force neither Greece nor Turkey, but the European Community.

I have some questions to my fellow countrymen, the turkishcypriots:

1. Do you approve any massive settling in any part of the world, which has
the purpose to change the region's demographic character?

2. Do you enjoy living in a place of only 500 square miles, or less, crowded
with army, military buildings and restricted military zones?

3. These settlers, that they come from Anatolia, how many common things do they
have with you (except from religion and language) ?

4. Do you consider yourself living in a democratic environment, having in mind
that Denktas is supported by the 30000, or more, turkish troops stationed at
the island since 1974 and the thousands of settlers he is bringing to the 
island?

5. Do the opposition parties participate in any "elections" held in the north?

6. Do you know that the leaders of the opposition meet the greekcypriots 
politicians every now and then? (Of course when Denktas allows them to do so)

7. If you are a permanent resident of Cyprus, and now living abroad, are you
planning to return to the island or not? If not, please, give reasons.

8. Is it not true that a high proportion of turkishcypriots has been emigrating
since 1974?

9. Do you believe that there is still any hope for unification of the island?

Before answering any of my questions, please look deep into yourself and think:
IS CYPRUS TOO SMALL TO BE DIVIDED?

Thinking ahead,
		Varnavas A. Lambrou.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: baysan@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Okan Baysan)
Subject: Re: Contiunuation on CYPRUS
Summary: Dandy the Palikaria is asking for more...
Keywords: OXI ELLADA, OXI ENOSIS, OXI Palikaria
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 21:43:21 GMT
Expires: January 1994

In article <1992Dec13.023629.11403@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis) writes:
>
> Don't be so sure lady. History hasn't finished yet. We'll have more
> movies ahead of us.
>
>
> Gr

 Yes... and more butts like yours will be kicked in those movies ahead 
 of us. 

 Cheers,
 Okan Baysan.
From: sprent@sol.surv.utas.edu.au (Tony Sprent)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: U of Thessaloniki
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:09:36 GMT
Organization: University of Tasmania

In article <92352.2211522971047@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, <2971047@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
> 
> I'm still trying to get hold of an e-mail address that works for
> University of Thessaloniki..
> 
> Any help greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
>                                  gp
>

 
I would also like to get hold of an email address for the University of 
Thessaloniki, in particular a member of the Surveying Faculty. So if anyone 
can help I would really appreciate it.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: lambri@ifi.unizh.ch (Dimitrios Lambrinos)
Subject: Did you know?
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 12:04:34 GMT




Did you know that Odyseas Androutsos, one of the most famous Greek national heroes, was mouslim? (Mouslim Greek).

Did you know that Karaiskakis, another Greek national hero was Albanian? (Albanian Christian).

Did you know that Albanians most famous national hero (don't remeber the name)
was from Greek mother and Serb father? (mouslim at the begining, baptized christian afterwards).

Just asking!

Dimitrios.
From: pef@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Panayotis Fouliras; TA PhD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Pronuncation of Greek names in Homer's Odyssey
Date: 13 Dec 92 03:12:55 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

Hmmm. Although not a person of literature, I can give the
following example about the pronunciation(?) of the Pontian
dialect (it is *not* a language...):

In Modern Greek, the word 'AYTOS' is pronunciated

af-to's

In Pontian (Greek) the same word (there is no separate srcipt)

a-ou'-tos       ('ou' like in the English 'zoo')

I therefore, assume that if the same pattern can be applied to
other words, too, one can reconstruct (up to a certain extend)
quite a lot of the Ancient Ionian pronunciation of letters.

Has anybody bothered to do so? I don't know.

Panayotis

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