HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:09:21 EDT
From: <WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Apocalyptics (Was: Is 700 club safe?)
 <Sep.6.00.47.38.1992.1804@dropout.rutgers.edu>

Another good source: Leon Festinger et al., WHEN PROPHECY FAILS (Minneapolis:
U of Minnesota Press, 1956).  A team of sociologists infiltrated a group of
proto-New-Age UFO contactees that were predicting the end of the world by
flood on December 21.  The book gives the leader's name as "Marian Keech" of
"Lake City," but her real name was Dorothy Martin, and she lived in the
Chicago area.  The sociologists joined the group, sat up with them on the
night of the cataclysm, and carefully documented how the group redefined itself
after the world kept on going.  (Martin, renaming herself "Sister Thedra,"
later moved to the Mount Shasta area, where she still may be alive; "Dharma,"
who got a mention on this net recently, is one of her younger followers.)

I also read a book recently on near-death experiences, which noted that many
of the NDEers claimed prophetic visions as part of their newly-found powers,
and that a vast majority predicted the demise of California before the end of
the 1970s.  I suspect that "impending doom" may be a fairly constant element
in religious experiences, perhaps an egocentric projection of the recognition
that one's own microcosm is doomed to a fairly imminent destruction.

Bill Ellis
FOAFtale News
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From: carlos@dorsai.com (Carlos Domenguiz)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: DEATH TO THE CLONES!!!
Date: 13 Sep 92 04:59:05 GMT
Organization: The Dorsai Embassy, New York's Computer Consulate. +1.718.729.5018

pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo) writes:
> 
> WAIT! there is another way! when they are taking a shower
> sneak a listen to see if they sing this song:
> 
> 	i am a clone
> 	i am not alone
> 	every fiber of my flesh and bone
> 	is identical to the other
> 
Maybe you got this song confused with the LOG SONG on 
alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy! Read the FAQ for more info...
 
...What rolls down stairs...
 
======================:) .sig worm meeting (:============================
 
carlos@dorsai.com
From: locatech@tron.gun.de (Jrg Lhn)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: re: Re: INVASION!!!
Date: 12 Sep 92 14:57:00 GMT
Organization: TRON Public Mailbox, Neurath, Germany

WARREN%ITEXJCT.JCT.AC.IL@USENET.ZER schreibt in einer Message vom
10.09.92 12:14 Uhr:

> Gosh, I hope they don't take away Usenet to keep Gary from posting to
> it.

They can't. If they keep Gary from posting to Usenet, everyone who has read
his messages would believe that everything was true what he wrote. So if
they let him posting, there are much guys who perhaps doesn's believe him.

So what would you do if you were an alien?


greets Joerg

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From: bill@prijat.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: computers in UFO
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:38:13 GMT
Reply-To: bill@platypus.uofs.edu
Organization: University of Scranton, Scranton, PA

In article <1992Sep6.112940.3040@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au>, u2116318@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
|> anyone has any idea about the computers in the UFO?
|> It should be very advanced , anyone seen that before?

Why would you assume it would be very advanced??
We humans create computers to make up for the short-comings of our own
brains (ie. we don't do math very well in our heads), a race that builds
UFOs like we have seen so far may not require computers at all.  This also
may explain why the greys consider us fitting for use as laboratory rats.
They may not see us as inteligent life at all.  Little more than insects
scurrying to and fro on our mindless tasks.

bill

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From: 90jmb@eng.cam.ac.uk (James Brown)
Subject: Alien Gifts
Reply-To: 90jmb@eng.cam.ac.uk (James Brown)
Organization: well...
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 08:48:12 GMT


 Last night I met some aliens in one of the smaller alleys in Cambridge. I was buying primary colour rubber balls from the yellow coin machines and they approached me saying that I was their friend and would I therefore accept a portable audiovisual unit. Their hearing covers such an enormous bandwidth that this portable device gives the purest sound quality ever heard on this planet, with only two disadvantages: they have three ears, making the headphones very uncomfortable to wear, and all of their music


 consists of two tings on a bell.
 The visual part of the device is even less useful in that their eyes are constructed across a flat expanse of their bodies as a cluster of tubes, each with a piece of light-sensitive tissue at the end, one pixel per tube. They have no lens; each tube receives its light from directly ahead which is how the image is formed. This means that they do not see in perspective. Things remain the same apparent size however far away they are - the only distance cues they get are from parallax and haze.
 On the plus side, they live less than twenty light-years away, and were therefore able to give me a triphonic remix of 'Dark Side of the Moon'.
 I thought you might like to know.

James 'James Brown' Brown.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Subject: Re:Christ's return
Keywords: Christ's return
Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs 
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 09:30:58 GMT


		Jesus / Christ

	"It's been proposed that 'Christ' was actually an alien before, why not
	in his second comming??" (Joseph, but no relation, I believe)

When "Christ" was here in a human body, he had the name "Jesus". He's 
probably been in "alien" bodies as well as other human ones. I didn't hear 
him say that he'd ever left. I believe the Second Coming will be when *we* 
accept him again, rather than the Christian-Jewish version of him descending 
with a sword from the sky. 

In "A Course In Miracles", Jesus (I know, I should call him "Christ") says:
	The world will end with the benediction of holiness upon it. When not one 
	thought of sin remains, the world is over. It will not be destroyed nor 
	attacked nor even touched. It will merely cease to seem to be."  
I love that "cease to seem to be". ACIM's very poetic in parts. (and I like 
it that we *all* get back to Heaven in the end)

This also convinces me that the greys aren't having more influence on us than 
say Hitler's movement, that they won't take us over completely. They could 
have done this long ago, if they'd wanted, couldn't they?    Paul.

Paul Milsom
milsom@ntb.ch
Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: asm332@cix.compulink.co.uk (Sean Eaton)
Subject: Re: FTP site
Cc: asm332@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: asm332@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 09:27:40 +0000

On the subject of FTP sites, does anyone know of a site
containing textual information on UFO and the associated
phenomena discussed in this group ?  I'm NOT talking about
transcripts of channeling sessions, Mt. Shasta, astral flying
etc (which have no place in a.a.v. anyway), just information
on sightings, MIBs, abductions etc.

-Sean.
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"In the dark of the city backwood something stirs, then slips away"
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: What is Gary Stollman..really?..
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 20:09:44 GMT

In article <ptmn28g.jeffp@netcom.com> jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.023050.20916@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>>
>>If you think Gary Stollman is insane obviously you didn't watch the
>>Republican convention and don't read talk.origins :-)
>
>I didn't watch the convention (didn't want to be exposed to the subliminal 
>propaganda) but a gay friend whom follows the AIDS issues told me that
>many conventioners (REPUBs) were overheard off camera chanting "AIDS is the
>Cure" which is pretty scarry if you think the virus was genetically engineered.

The irony in this statement is that since AIDS continues to evolve and
spread more easily it may end up curing the world of religion. I've been
told that the plagues in Europe where the beginning of the recovery from
the dark ages, it shook peoples faith in the church and god. 
A large percentage of the human race will be wiped out by a plague
that they have been told is of divine origin, and which could have been
stopped had it not been for religious based bigotry. Atleast for those who
survive, there is hope that the last vestiges of the dark ages will
finally be wiped out.

There is evidence that HIV is evolving into more contagious forms, Thailand
has two strains of the virus present. One seen among IV drug users (this is
the strain we see in the US), and another strain that has spread rapidly among
heterosexual prostitutes. Its only a matter of time until this new strain
spreads to the US, and other even more contagious strains develop.

This is one reason I don't think AIDS was genetically engineered, no one
would use a virus that evolved so rapidly for biological warfare. This is
the equivalent of firing a cannon sliding around on the deck of a ship in
rough seas, you don't know where it is going to end up firing.
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From: Colleen_Anderson@mindlink.bc.ca (Colleen Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Saga of the Family of Light II
Date: 15 Sep 92 08:59:45 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

These family of light beings and the Pleiadians seem like very round about
long-winded talkers who have read too many new age books.  Why are we always
being told how to run our lives by beings not even on this planet?  these
Pleadians also talk about being duped and being careful of who we watch for
from the skies.  Why should we believe even the Pleiadians then?  Personally, I
think it is better to take control of your own life instead of letting anyone
or any alien lead you around by the nose.  I've seen too many people do that
and then blame everyone else for their problems.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.native,talk.religion.newage
From: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Tass bug
Keywords: tass,bugs
Reply-To: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:00:17 GMT


In article <6#wnrzp.rkrouse@netcom.com>, rkrouse@netcom.com (Robert K. Rouse) writes:

|>  When reading alt.alien.visitors "tass" dumps core. Why?
|>How can it be fixed? 
|>
|>-- 
|>==========================================================================
|>            Robert K. Rouse		rkrouse@netcom.com
|>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> "VOTE! - use it or lose it" 
|>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
|>


	I think the person to ask about this is Gary Stollman.


	Steve Food_for_the_Grays
	
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: Who is Rodenberry?
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 11:57:30 GMT

Rod Beckwith (rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com) wrote:
: Andre,[you write]
: 
: >Who is Rodenberry?
: 
: 
: Who created Star Trek?
: 
: Rod
: 
Star Trek?

--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
hinzd@picard.med.ge.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco)
Subject: Re: Is 700 club safe?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 00:12:03 GMT

Please erase the chain letter about the 700 club. 

I apologize to anyone who was mislead by my foolishness in posting such
a thing before checking into it myself. 

Prepare for the end of the world. Even the most conservative teachers
acknowledge that these are the final days. Read talk.religion.christian and
see the evidence for yourself.

Frank

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From: ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org (Lance Franklin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Who is Rodenberry?
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:43:08 GMT
Organization: NC Microproducts, Inc.

In article <1992Sep8.115730.13003@mr.med.ge.com> hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:
}Rod Beckwith (rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com) wrote:
}: Andre,[you write]
}: 
}: >Who is Rodenberry?
}: 
}: 
}: Who created Star Trek?
}: 
}: Rod
}: 
}Star Trek?

What is the Science Fiction show Gene Roddenberry created?


Ok, now I'll take Ancient Greek Architecture for $200.



Lance "Jeopardy" Franklin

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From: locatech@tron.gun.de (Jrg Lhn)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: re: Re: Government Coverups (Re: Moon Ac
Organization: TRON Public Mailbox, Neurath, Germany
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 19:59:00 +0200

HEDRON::DAVEB@USENET.ZER fragt in einer Message vom 28.08.92 13:44 Uhr:

> From: bottom@hawk1.enet.dec.com
> Reply-To: hedron::daveb
> Subject: Re: Government Coverups (Re: Moon Activities?)
> Message-ID: <1647@sousa.ltn.dec.com>
> Organization: ASO IM operations
> 
> 
> With respect to government coverups and the unlikely event that they may
> have actually kept UFO's a secret for 40-50 years.

That's true, the US-Gouvernment has still contact to aliens. They not only
saw UFO's, but they'd taken part on UFO-missions themselves.


> There are several ways to lie/coverup, Nixon and  Regan tried the first way
> which is cover and deny. It is much more effective to tell the truth in
> such a way as to not be believed.
> 
> Sometimes the first way even works: ex: Stealth Fighters were no more than a
> rumor for years, yet thousands of people were involved.

You're right. The Stealth Fighter is much older than everyone would believe.
It also contains alien technology.

If you're interested in, I've got some information on the aliens, transferred
by several BBS's from Amerika to Germany. I plan to spread it by BBS, 'cause
USENET is the best way for this.

greets Joerg
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From: stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Subject: Re: Why are aliens "bad"
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:09:43 GMT


In article <1992Sep08.183720.3478@news.mentorg.com>, tom_repasky@mentorg.com writes...
>Howdy,
> 
>A few questions. 
> 
>Why are most of the aliens presented here (blacks, greys, etc.) not nice ?
>Is this 1950s all over again ? 
> 
>Why has no one contacted the aliens that gave (give) birth (life) to the greys
>and blacks etc. ?

Bingo! 

You win a prize... :-)
From: jlinder@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Darrow Linder)
Subject: Re: UFO Video?
In-reply-to: Your message of 10 Sep 92 23:26:13 +0000.
             <1992Sep10.232613.10580@intelhf.hf.intel.com>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Date: 11 Sep 92 04:49:19 GMT

>I've been monitoring this newsgroup for a few weeks now, and it is
>one of the most interesting of those that I subscribe to.

>That aside, I am curious as to whether anyone out there has seen the
>UFO documentary "SIGHTINGS" shown in the US on the FOX network approx.
>6 months ago.

Apparently, this show is coming back on starting next week.

-D
From: mcconned@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Black Aircraft Info
Date: 6 Sep 92 18:15:01 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Since this newsgroup has been brushing the topic of black aircraft, I thought I
would supply the issues in Aviation Week and Space Technology that deal with
the subject.  If you're so inclined, check them out.
 
October 1, 1990 pg. 20-23  Talks about hypersonic "pulser" aircraft and other
possible black aircraft the United States in toying with.
 
December 24, 1990 pg. 41-44  Same topics as above.
 
June 20, 1991 pg. 20-21  Identifies Northrop TR-3A "Black Manta" as the
triangular black reconnaissance aircraft supporting F-117 activities.
 
October 28, 1991 pg. 68-69  Talks about pulsed engines in black aircraft.
 
March 9, 1992 pg. 66-67 Black technology
 
May 11, 1992 pg. 62-63 Talks about "Pulser" evidence.
 
The first two articles are really wild and are worth the time to look up. 
These aircraft, visually anyway, would be considered borderline UFO.  One
article states that perhaps these aircraft are the reason the Iron Curtain
fell.  We certainly won't know for a long time.  I hope this information can
help.
 
David McConnell
AE @ University of Kansas
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Winston/Stollman. Acid or Lithium?
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:51:46 EDT

I have tried to figure out just what the heck this John Winston character
is always babbling about, to no avail. Is it just me or does it seem like
he (and his mirror image Gary Stollman) are on some 24-hour a day/7 days
a week Lithium trip or something?

Inquiring minds want to know!

-Garrett


Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon)
Subject: Re: The aliens have landed
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 20:41:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Watching the Skies
Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors

In article <43866@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> Claudia Calvelli writes:

>They spent about three hours exploring every corner of the garden, and
>they must have noticed that there is no way to get out of it, unless you
>either smash one door or go away with the spaceship again. This I forgot
>to mention earlier: there is no way to get into that garden unless you
>enter this building first, or come down from the sky; and none of us can
>go and see where they decided to hide their spaceship, because we don't
>have the keys.  In any case, after your advice I don't think I'd go out
>and see.

I'm glad you agree that surveillance is a better course, at this stage,
than confrontation.  We can't know what their intentions are, or
what destructive technology they have mastered.  It would be a shame
to turn the British Isles into a boiling hole in the sea over a
misunderstanding.

>After three hours I gave up. I hadn't eaten anything since lunchtime,
>so I asked somebody else to observe them, and went to get something to
>eat. In the meantime, they managed to get somehow out of the inner garden
>and started exploring the garden just outside this building. Apparently,
>their ship is still hidden in the inner garden. I guess that they know
>that we cannot get in there, at least until Monday morning when there is
>a janitor here.
>
>When anybody tries to get nearby they make some threatening sounds and make
>sure that the person goes away again. I think that they must be dangerous.
>Please keep sending useful advice.

Under no circumstances should you alert the authorities.  That's the mistake
many contactees have made, and I can tell you from experience there's no
end to your trouble once you start on that path.  Your biggest uncertainty
at the moment is knowing who you can trust, and to be safe I suggest you
trust nobody, not your co-workers, not the University, not even your
husband (if you're married, and I have a feeling you might be).

This could be the opening stage of something very big, Claudia, and we're
fortunate to have such a careful observer as yourself there to report
the facts as you see them.

Be careful out there, young lady.

-- 
Rick Gordon       | "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly
rickg@netcom.com  |  and I did.  I said I didn't know."  M. Twain
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 06:33:19 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep10.015655.12092@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>

Dear People: The statement THE JET PLANES THAT RICH PEOPLE OWN, refers
to John Lear's father Mr. Lear the person who makes the Lear Jet a 
small jet airplane that is used by many rich people and company 
heads.
John Winston.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:22:25 EDT
From: <JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: --> NEW CONSPIRACY EVIDENCE <--
 <nprnf0+.anson@netcom.com>

In article <nprnf0+.anson@netcom.com>, anson@netcom.com (Anson Kennedy) says:
>
>In any case, the "sudden rush" to do the commercials *can* be explained
>without resorting to conspiracy theories.  Until such time as contradictory
>evidence is available, I'll stick with the simple explanation: Savvy
>advertising agencies capitalizing on a trend.
>
>>gdavis@NMSU.edu      And if nothing else we can at least agree to disagree!!
>--
>
>Anson Kennedy                                                                 m
>anson@netcom.co

When you think you see conspiracy behind every corner, it isn't usually there.
But by the time you find the evidence you're looking for, it's too late.

JK
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: stinerkt@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Kevin T Stiner)
Subject: SETI
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 04:58:18 GMT


I was just wondering if anyone had any up-to-date info on the government's  
SETI (Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence) program.

Please comment on what you hope or think they might find......

Thanks,
Kevin T. Stiner
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy