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From: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Subject: ace? more like deuce... h
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 20 Nov 92 09:23:27 EST

Drewcifer, you've already torn into the post I was applauding....but I
still think it's points were valid.  Your replies didn't really answer
the questions asked & points raised, at least to my eye.  So, I wish I
could tell you what the message # was, but it has been a while ago and I
forget.

Also, let's face it, better to let sleeping Aces lie.
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From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Ace's age
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:15:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.132658.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au>, c8643631@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Mr Flibble) writes:
|> There seems to be a misconception about Ace's age in the series.
|> She is not 19-20.
|> 
|> In Dragonfire, Kane asks how old she is and she says:
|> 
|>     "Six-- Eighteen."
|> 
|> Ace is only 16 at the beginning of her run and 17 (maybe) in 'Survival'.
|> That's pretty young.

I never got that impression (that she's only aged about a year...) In fact, 
from bits and pieces of literature I've seen through the past few years, it 
seems that Ace is very much a "woman" by the end of the show's run so far. 
This seems to be confirmed by some scenes in Curse of Fenric. I have been 
under the impression that she was hovering somewhere around 20 when last we 
saw her...

|> Edward

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From: HISC9016351D@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Off-screen adventures(more to the list)
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:13:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: lugb.1992Nov16.121304.12809
Organization: La Trobe University
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> 
> >>If not, would any qualified people care
> >>to put together such a list including the story which refers to the
> >>previous adventure and any details about it which are revealed.
> 
> >That's about all I can think of at the moment. Any more takers?
> 
> Shada: The Doctor mentions that he visited Chronotis on 4 (or 5) other
> occasions.
> 
The Shada article in the Dr.Who Magazine issue devoted to the Tardis a while
gives four dates that the Doctor visited Chronotis.  From memory, they are
1950, 1956, 1966, and another date that eludes me.  also, if you get this 
years Dr. Who Yearbook, there is a short story detailing how the 1st Dr.
left the infamous book that was the subject of Shada in Chronotis's book-
shelf.

other off screen adventures.  I think some were mentioned in An Unearthly
Child that Susan and the Doctor had been involved in before they met Ian
and Barbara.  In The Edge of Destruction, the Tardis flashes up a picture
of Quinnius(spelling), which Susan says she and the Dr. had visited prior
to landing in London.
The 1st Doctor also professed a strong liking for 18th century France, and
it is highly likely that he was there previous to the Massacre and the Reign
of Terror
Apparently, the Doctor has met Admiral Nelson, and Queen Victoria.  The Doctor
mentions in the Talons of Weng-Chiang that he was at the Battle of Reykavik
from which Magnus Greel escaped.  The 7th Dr. has met and defeated Fenric
centuries before meeting him in The Curse of Fenric.  He has also met Lady
Peinforte and the Silver Nemisis prior to the story of that name.  The 
Cybermen say that they have met Jamie and the 2nd Doctor on Planet 14.
The sixth Dr was friends with and apparently spent a night drinking with
Azmael, from the Twin Dilemna.  The second Dr seemed to know who the 
leader of the monks were in The Abominable Snowmen, coming to see him to 
return a small bell.  In Silver Nemesis did we not see a painting of Ace in
Windsor Castle which dated back several centuries?  The 3rd Doctor had been
to Metebelis 3 before he went there with Jo Grant, where they found the
blue crystal.  That seems to be all i can remember.  Happy hunting
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From: jenkinsj@blowfish.taligent.com (John H. Jenkins)
Subject: Re: "I'm going out now and may be some time"
Followup-To: rec.arts.drwho
Organization: Taligent, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:33:39 GMT

<1992Nov22.194736.15919@spang.Camosun.BC.CA><1992Nov22.195925.16059@span
g.Camosun.BC.CA>
Organization: Taligent, Inc.

In article <1992Nov22.195925.16059@spang.Camosun.BC.CA>,
dbarker@spang.Camosun.BC.CA (Deryk Barker) wrote:
> 
> Sorry  about the  previous  quote-only  posting  - I'm  having lost of
> trouble with noise on the line from home.
> 
> In article <792@nate.UUCP> nate!loring@cs.rit.edu writes:
> >In the last few weeks of watching Dr. Who I've seen the following
quote
> >(and variations of it) used in several Dr. Who stories:
> >
> >	"I'm going out now and may be some time"
> >
> According to   Robert Falcon Scott,  leader  of  the British Antarctic
> Expedition,  the last words of  Captain  Lawrence Edward Grace "Titus"
> Oates were "I am just going outside and may be some time". [...]

[Part of an excellent summary of the botched Scott expedition deleted]

> For a  healthy counterblast to all
> the Jingoistic tub-thumping read "The  Last Place on  Earth" by Roland
> Huntford. In the  TV  dramatisation Oates's  farewell words are  "Just
> going  out for a leak  Birdie"  addressed to Henry  Robertson "Birdie"
> Bowers,  another  member of    the ill-fated   party.  

BTW, unless memory fails, "Birdie" Bowers was played by none other than
Sylvester McCoy in the TV series.


----
John H. Jenkins
John_Jenkins@taligent.com
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Limits on TARDIS travel (Was Re: The Doctor is...)
Date: 23 Nov 92 00:22:04 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Nov20.200923.10014@mail.cornell.edu> drh2@cornell.edu (Dave Horlick) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.173747.1815@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Elena A
>Christofides, echristo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu writes:
>>> If the Timelords are only allowed to travel back to Gallifrey in their
>"now"
>>time space, then how is it that in the episodes "The Trial of the
>Timelord," a 
>>future regeneration of the Doctor was able to come back in time to be
>the 
>>adjudicator at the Doctor's trial?

>I think you bring up a good point. Presumably, the Valyard, with all his
>experience as the Doctor, has managed to devise some scheme to evade
>Gallifrey's defense system.

On the other hand, the Trial could have been in the Valeyard's own time.
In other words, the Valeyard didn't go back, he brought Colin Baker
forward.  This would explain how they could take evidence from Colin's
future -- it was their past.

As for why they picked the sixth Doctor from that particular point, well,
perhaps shortly after "Mindwarp", the Doctor figured out that the Time
Lords had moved Ravolox.  They grabbed him just before that point and
deleted his realization from the Matrix, to help with the cover-up.

Purely hypothetical evidence, of course...

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From: mrmuon@next01pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Women Doctors  (was Re: Who'd make THE BEST Who???)
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:22:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.132819.17249@cs.mcgill.ca> timelord@cs.mcgill.ca  
(Jeffrey JACOBS) writes:
> Leela + Andred:  Andred was a Capital Guard, and NOT a Time Lord.
> Hence, your supposition that he could regenerate is unfounded; we have
> no idea either way, and hence he is a bad example.

I'll reiterate something I posted a few months ago. There is one piece of  
evidence that Andred specifically is capable of regeneration. When he is  
escorting an elderly time lord out of the capitol that TL says: "When you  
get to be my age - I'm in my tenth regeneration you know." 
Andred does _not_ react with something along the lines of "You priveledged  
*-* I don't regenerate. You live 13 times as long as I do!"

--
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"Die traitor1"
From: 1-1@tardis.cojones.com (Peter W. Losher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Will do . . . !
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 01:05:59 GMT

 Regarding Message : Dr. Who Pinball Game
 Written By        : kupiec#hp800.lasalle.edu (Bob Kupiec) #258 @5

> Just saw a new game at the local "arcade" today.  It's the "Dr. Who"
> pinball game made by Bally Midway (1992).  It has the 7 doctors pictured and
> you do various things to thwart The Master.  You try to "build" a TARDIS
> and a transmat.  Pretty cool, but I only played twice, so I did not catch
> all the details.  Look for it in you local arcade!
     
     . . . Will look for it at the local arcade . . . !!!

Peter W. Losher
1-1@tardis.cojones.com

  The Matrix: Doctor Who BBS  (209) 571-0347  Modesto, Ca  TARDISNet 1@1 
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From: rkvidyar@eos.ncsu.edu (RAMAN KUMAR VIDYARTHI)
Subject: Re: Who'd make a good Who?
Originator: rkvidyar@c00004-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: rkvidyar@eos.ncsu.edu (RAMAN KUMAR VIDYARTHI)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:24:51 GMT



|>
|>
|>Instead of Sly Stallone or (give me a break) K Costner, how about the 
|>vivacious William Hurt?  Or worse yet, Patrick Swazye?
|>
What??????  They wouldn't know how to play him!!!!
A.R.L.
{Andrew Lankford}
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: Dave Horlick <drh2@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Limits on TARDIS travel (Was Re: The Doctor is...)
X-Xxdate: Fri, 20 Nov 92 15: 12:07 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: drh2@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:09:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.173747.1815@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Elena A
Christofides, echristo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu writes:
>> If the Timelords are only allowed to travel back to Gallifrey in their
"now"
>time space, then how is it that in the episodes "The Trial of the
Timelord," a 
>future regeneration of the Doctor was able to come back in time to be
the 
>adjudicator at the Doctor's trial? This especially violates the rule
that 
>different regenerations of Timelords are not allowed to cross each
others paths 
>in the same space-time continuem. Would someone please tell me how this
is 
>possible? By the way, I'm a new Whovian, so don't burn me on this
question - 
>I'm only trying to catch up to the rest of you.
>
>                               Thanks, Elena

I think you bring up a good point. Presumably, the Valyard, with all his
experience as the Doctor, has managed to devise some scheme to evade
Gallifrey's defense system. I don't think there is supposed to be a
natural, physical reason that TimeLords can't cross their own paths.
(Although if ordinary folks do, there's some sort of flash, like with the
two Brigs in Mawdryn Undead, due to some weird effect that I can't spell.)
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From: jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason)
Subject: POLL for a new DOCTOR!
Summary: diddly dum
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:19:40 GMT
Keywords: diddly dum

  Would it be agood idea to poll the newsgroup readers on who they think
  should play the new Doctor in a possible new series? 
  I would be willing BUT I WILL NOT HAVE ACCESS TO A TERMINAL BETWEEN
  11/18/92 AND 12/1/92, SO DO NOT MAIL ME!!
  Is there anybody willing, or shall we just have a debate on the net?

  Jason.

Xref: sparky rec.arts.drwho:7873 rec.arts.startrek.misc:11712 alt.startrek.creative:2459 alt.fan.q:650
From: jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: BAD NEWS...TP4 TAPE WAS BLANK
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:53:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxxB1w.Lrv
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


 It seems I am the bearer of bad tidings. After all my postings about the 
 return of Tenth Planet 4 to the BBC, it transpires that the tape given was
 blank.
 This has come from an in house source which makes it all the more upsetting.
 I have no more information at this point, but I am willing to speculate on
 a few reasons. The dream answer would be this is a very clever BBc hoax, but
 I dont think they are that intelligent.

 Sorry to disappoint, but this is the situation as it stands.
 Jason.
From: teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN DAVENPORT)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Who'd make THE BEST Who???
Date: 23 Nov 92 10:40:21 GMT
Organization: Institute of Education, University of London

In <92325.123549SHILL@HARPERVM.BITNET> SHILL@HARPERVM.BITNET (Steve W Hill) writes:

>Johnathan (sp?) Pryce.

Seconded. Apart from his part in Brazil, I really liked him in Consuming
Passions, a well-obscure British film, in which he was about the only thing
of any merit. I noticed that there is a Jonathan Pryce listed as Zarniwoop
in the last episode of the radio Hitch-Hikers Guide, is this the same
person?

How about Stephen Fry? I've never seen him in anything straight, but I 
think he's just making his movie debut now in Peter's Friends, is he any
good?

>Steve Hill                                       SHILL@HARPERVM.BITNET
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"You do, and its a girl's bike."
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From: mrmuon@next13csc.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Movie
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:04:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.175457.302@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu  
writes:
> 
> My cousin found it at a CreationCon in the Twin Cities about a year ago.
> When I say it looked authentic, I mean it had the writer's agencies  
written
> in it, the names of the writers (which I don't recall now, other than
> Johnny Byrne, but they were the right three numbers), and the look of a
> professional movie script.  It didn't read like one though.  I wish he
> still had it (he sent it to a friend, we both hated it so much we  
couldn't
> stand to keep it) so I could post some sections of it so you could all  
see
> just how bad it is.

Have you any idea what sort of people created this thing. That is, were  
they writers of any other films or such?
Also, is this the same intended film that was mentioned in "25 Glorious  
Years" which had a picture of some actress who was supposed to be the  
companion.

--
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"I am he, and he is me."
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Drewester, or whatever
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:41:50 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Nov18.163832.5694@desire.wright.edu> tellenburg@desire.wright.edu writes:

>I am sorry to upset you about Sarah Jane.  It's just a personal opinion.  At
>least I finally got someone to talk to me.  She is ok for a sidekick, I just
>don't like her as much as the others.  Just like I don't like colin as much as
>the others.
>	Biting me (as a vampire) will do no good, however.  I am a vampire, in
>the name of Anne Rice.  I can hold my own.

>	So you like Sarah Jane . . . what other Who characteristics do you 
>like?  Maybe we can gain some common ground before you start a flame war.



>	Timelady Rogaenon
>		A time to laugh, a time to cry

I'll get over it.  (sniff)

Are you, now (a vampire)?  You will recall how easy it can be to kill a
vampire (Claudia, Magnus) and also how hard it can be (Lestat, Maharet's
sis).  'Tis indeed possible for one vamp to off another...easier than for a
human to off a vamp.  :)

I like all seven doctors, about half the companions, and many of the
stories.  You *must* be more specific.

Do you know of a Lestat newsgroup?  If not, maybe we can converse about Anne
Rice over E-mail...fascinating author.

Oh, and my name's spelling is forgiven.  But is Rogaenon a corruption of
Organon/Orgonon?  As in Kate Bush?

-- 
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From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: books as canon?
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:12:03 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Nov18.191534.29873@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:
>In <13554@ecs.soton.ac.uk> lm89@ecs.soton.ac.uk (McIlhoney L) writes:
>>(at least by the time of "Nightshade") and she is a strong, admirable

>The time of what?  Was this a broadcast episode?  If not, I scarcely think
>you can cite it as furthering characterization.

Well... the novels have gained quite a bit of credibility in recent years,
and since (at the moment) they're the only source of new Who, AND they're
BBC-official, I really can't see why not.

As a matter of fact, even the writers have cited the novels.  For those
who didn't know... Manisha, Ace's friend, was created for the Remembrance
of the Daleks novel.  Marc Platt thought it was a wonderful idea and wrote
her into the script for "Ghost Light".

Of course, I'm slightly biased in favor of accepting the novels, since
they've done such a great job on expanding and deepening Ace's character-
ization...


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From: jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jeff Hildebrand)
Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary!
Reply-To: jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jeff Hildebrand)
Organization: Don's Merry Horde of Topologists
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 07:25:58 GMT

mrmuon@next06csc.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:
> I checked for the exact time in my copy of the twentieth anniversary  
> magazine which has a picture of the original Radio Times schedule  
> anouncement. It's 5:15 pm Greenwich meridian time, which translates, I  
> believe, to 12:15 pm eastern standard time.
> Pity about JFK though.

	Except for the fact that, precisely because of JFK, the first
episode didn't go on at 5:15. The BBC had been covering the JFK story for 24
hours and finally went back to regular programing at 5:25. Thus the first
episode went on the air 10 minutes late. Rather a grim piece of trivia I'm
afraid.

	Oh well. Happy Anniversary folks. Maybe the BBC will be smart enough
to do a (new) special for the 30th next year.

-Jeff
-- 
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the views of WSRN-FM, its employees, or mutant drosophila" - Off the Cuff
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From: nsmith@tms390.micro.ti.com (Neal Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: the five doctors
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:35:44 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Texas Instruments, Houston

"daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com> writes:

>I didn't notice any inconsistancies (he said naively, butcher knife
>behind his back).  Which ones were these?

Err... Um... Inconsistencies? Who said inconsistencies?  Uh, I meant,
ah, incarcerations, yeah, that's the ticket!  Where they capture
Borusa...  let's put the nice, shiny knife down, Norman,
that's a good boy... <=0

Now, for anyone else... there were a couple of minor ones, and I
don't like to get nit-picky, so I'll go straight to the only one that
really bothered me.

<minor spoilers ahead for the 5 Doctors, press n to skip>




When the second Doctor and the Brigadier are in the tower, they
come across holograms of Jamie and Zoe.  The Doctor realizes that
they can't be real, because they have been sent back to their own
time stream with their memories erased, and therefore would not 
remember him.  (Of course, he ignores the fact that they could
have been timescooped from before there memories were erased,
but that's easily ignored; he assumes they would have told him
about the experience.)  The problem is, that right after (and
I mean immediately) they are returned to their time, the TimeLords
force a regeneration on him; he now lookes like Jon Pertwee.  :-)
[This happened in WarGames].  The point is, he did not do any
travelling in the TARDIS, with the face of his 2nd regeneration,
after learning what happened to Jamie and Zoe.  He should not
have known!  Furthermore, either he is scooped when he is
travelling with them (so they should be with him), or he is
scooped before he knows them (and he should not recognize them).
It is this assumption that he knows everything that has happened
to him later that is inconsistent.  (I mean, if he can't even
remember being there previously as the First Doctor, and can't
remember that it is a trap that Borusa should be caught in, as
the First Doctor deduces, then how can he remember something
that hasn't happened yet?)

There are about 5 other (three, sir!) excuse me, 3 other
minor inconsistencies that bug me, but I have seen some explanations
for those that work, even if they don't jibe well, so I'm willing
to ignore those.  (What they are is left as an exercise for the
bored viewer.)  Anyone want to explain this one?

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Wait, where'd you come from?  NO, I WAS ONLY JOKING, I THOUGHT WE
AGREED TO PUT THE KNIFE UP, AARGH... ACH.. GR.. gggg... rrrccch...

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From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: limits on tardis travel (
Date: 15 Nov 92 23:30:57 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <1992Nov15.4153.14167@dosgate>, "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com> writes:
> I would claim that a hate to disagree, but really I love to.  There is a
> "canon" limit on TARDIS travel in the series.  It is refered to as the
> First Law of Time.  There is another limit refered to as the Second Law
> of Time.  By Trial of a Time Lord, however, genocide has become a
> violation of the First Law of Time, rather than meeting yourself.  Is
> this because the Time Lords violated TFLOT so frequently with the
> Doctor?  Or is there another reason?

The First Law of Time is the general non-interference directive, 
which applies to all of history including someone's own and probably
Gallifrey's as well.  The Second Law of Time has never been specified
in the series, nor have we heard a verbatim quote of the First Law,
except we do know from "Three Doctors" that it covers meeting yourself
(which changes your own history, not to mention the Blinovitch Limitation
Effect if you haven't regenerated), and from "Trial" that it covers
interference in other world's affairs (their histories).


> 
> One final note:  Why would the Doctor, as Rassilon, set up a society he
> apparently despises so much?  I don't think so.
> --


I don't think the Doctor is Rassilon and I would be disappointed if it
turned out he were.  However, I do believe it to be possible that he
either has or will visit Gallifrey's past and mess things up a bit.
Juicy plotlines can easily be thought up out of that one...

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