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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:00:23 CST
From: <U15289@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: The fate of Trill hosts

Thoughts at large, inspired by the arrival of Lt. Dax at DS9:

*How do the Trills select people to act as their host bodies?
*What happens to these people's own personalities once the Trillcreatures
 are implanted?
*If the people simply cease to exist as themselves, how does Trill culture
 justify what is essentially a form of homicide?  Do Trills consider themselves
 superior to humans, or what?


                                                 Mitch Pravatiner
                                                 U15289@uicvm.uic.edu
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From: danno@donner.cc.bellcore.com (ungerer,daniel a)
Subject: Re: DS9: Avery Brooks has att
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 20:43:25 GMT

In article <9771.406.uupcb@the-matrix.com>, scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) writes:
> On 29 Dec 92 15:11:36 CST, kuvamp@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu wrote:
> 
> KU>AVERY BROOKS:  DON'T LOOK FOR HIM AT TREKKIE CONVENTIONS
> 
> KU>Gee, isn't it great that Paramount picks actors to whom this is just another
> KU>job, and who have no idea what this role means to people?  I mean if he's
> KU>not willing to put up with the fandom, he should keep his B-grade tv series
> KU>ass at home and give the job to someone who can handle it.  Leave your Ego at
> KU>the door, Avery, or this will be a SHORT job.
> 
> I'm sure you speak for a good many people, and my response is:  Fandom,
> leave YOUR ego at the door.
> 
> Television acting IS a job.  That's what Avery Brooks is being hired for,
> to act.  If he does a good job (and judging by his past performances, I
> have every reason to believe he will), then we fans will be lucky to have
> him as part of Star Trek.  He, or any other Star Trek actor, is under no
> obligation whatsoever to appear at conventions; it's not part of the job
> description.  From what I've seen at some of the cons, I'm not sure *I'd*
> want to appear at them either.
> 
> Avery Brooks can best serve Star Trek, and Star Trek fandom, by giving the
> best performances he is capable of giving.  Period.
> 
>               /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
>               \  "Let us think the unthinkable, let us   /   scott.hollifield
>               /   do the undoable.  Let us prepare to    \   @the-matrix.com
>               \  grapple with the ineffable itself, and  /
>               /    see if we may not eff it after all."  \
>               \_              --- Dirk Gently           _/
>                 \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
> 
> ---
>  . OLX 2.1 TD . Don't let me know, whatever you've got. . Beverly
>                                                                                    


Avery Brooks, Mason Gross School of the Arts, Rutgers University, is 
probably the best thing about DS9!  At least he's a 3 dementional 
actor...Just be thankful he doesn't have a Betazoid in his command.

"Commander, I feel..."     "Oh, shut up!!!!"

Dan

  		It's my business being of pleasure to you............


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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Odo in DS9 (**MINOR SPOILER**)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:50:35 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland):
>Minor spoiler ahead:

>I was a bit distressed to see him successfully disquise himself as a
>duffel bag that was clearly *not* of humanoid mass [...]

I think that the "poker chips" were him, too.  So apparently he can
solidify into many individual masses.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
  "you make me want to break the laws of time and space / you make me
   want to eat pork / you make me want to staple bagels to my face /
   and remove them with a pitchfork" -- Weird Al Yankovic, "You Make Me"
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From: Eric Schlene <eschlene@indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Space Rangers - Thumbs down....
Organization: indiana university
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:47:46 GMT

Sorry...it WAS pretty awful. Between overacting, overviolence, and
over-eerie "sci-fi" soundtrack, any chance of my watching it was lost.

This shot at the TNG market fell WAY SHORT of the target.
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From: ruderg@aix.rpi.edu (Gregory Allen Ruderman)
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE 9 DRINKING GAME
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 18:42:17 GMT


	Two drinks whenever Odo tells someone that he cannot assume a
particular form (we haven't seen it yet, but just wait)

	One drink for each character who has their sleves rolled up or pushed
up 
	Two if we see them roll up their sleves on screen
	half a beer if they feel it is necessary to move the station
****************************************************************************
	More ramblings from ruderg@rpi.edu -- Gregory A. Ruderman
		Also Known As -- Dooley.the.Mauve

	"He refused to beam up with us, Sir.  He said he wanted to see
		how is scrambled our molecules first"
*****************************************************************************
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From: svanegmo@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Stephen Van Egmond)
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE 9 DRINKING GAME
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:36:09 GMT

One sip:  O'Brian fights with the computer
	  A ship gets blown up  - 2 sips if it a Federation Ship

Half a beer:  O'Brian abuses the equipment
	      Someone forgets there are no shields
From: jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (J. Michael Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: `Cheers woman
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:18:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ohio University CS Dept,. Athens

In article <ternent.22@oima2.oim.uiuc.edu> ternent@oima2.oim.uiuc.edu (John Ternent) writes:
>In article <C0K76w.277@world.std.com> mdm@world.std.com (Michael D Meachen) writes:
>
>>Cheerswise I can remember two other instances where cheers cast members
>>have appeared in episodes.  Dr. Strernan-Crane played the podded role of
>>Riker's alien lover if I remember correctly.  And didn't Frazer Crane have
>>command of a star ship at one point??
>>Any appearances from Norm you can think of?
>>mm
>
>Yes, wasn't Crane the captain of the starship that comes through a rip in 
>the continuum and destroys the Enterprise, which then gets caught in the 
>time loop?

 Yes, Frazer Crane (Kelsey Grammer) played the captain of the USS Bozeman
in "Cause and Effect" (sorry I forgot his name)
 
As far as Norm, no appearences yet... maybe he'll show up at Quark's joint
on DS9????    You know, walk in and say "Hello, Quark, everyone"  
 
"NORM!!!!!!!!"

Ok maybe not....
 
J. Michael Clark
Ohio University
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Counselor in Uniform
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:22:42 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <1993Jan4.185504.29723@tin.monsanto.com>, lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder) writes:
> In article <106065@bu.edu>, mcelroy@bu.edu (Carl Mackin) writes:
>> 
>> I do not think that the counselor likes to wear her uniform more often,
>> because, as a counselor, she must make most of the crew feel comfortable.
>> She wants them to feel like they are talking to a friend, and not just 
>> another counselor.  I don't know about you, but I would feel much more 
>> comfortable talking to a friend in ordinary clothing, rather than a 
>> friend in a uniform
> 
> I don't know about most folks, but I would be MUCH more comfortable talking
> about my problems with someone in a uniform than with someone who's breasts
> were hanging out for all the world to see...
> 
> 

Yes, you would be but this is because you are in the 20th century and are
living in a society still ambivalent about nudity and full of sexual
stereotypes.  In the 24th century, people seem to have a much more mature,
controlled, and self-disciplined view of such things.  
Personally, I think Troi's "uniform" is her choice partially for cultural
reasons as nudity in Betazoid culture is much less taboo than it is in
the Federation and much more than ours certainly.  It's a hint of her own
culture in the same way that Worf's metal sash is.  (This doesn't include
Ensign Ro's earring I don't think since that seems to be a personal thing
for her rather than a standard Bajoran thing, unless there is some safety
regulation on Starfleet vessels about wearing things on your head.  Maybe
it's why Picard's the Captain.  :))

Steven.K.Manfred
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From: alan@pacdata.uucp (Alan McLachlan)
Subject: Re: Computer voices
Organization: Pacific Data Products
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:15:11 GMT

In article <abick.726386921@cunews> abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick) writes:
>Did anyone else find it stupid that the Saratoga had the same computer
>voice as the Enterprise? I remember that in the old series (namely Gary-7)
>Kirk was annoyed with the "new" computer voice calling him "dear". Spock
>said that it had been changed in a recent refit. If it is so easy to
>change why would all ships have the same voice in TNG?
>
>Alan Bick
>

I think its nice to have a bit of consitancy... and BTW the voice (even back
in the old series) has been Majel Barret-Roddenberry for a long time

-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------
  Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here!
--------------------------------------------------------------
Alan McLachlan                       [ucsd|uunet]!pacdata!alan
Pacific Data Products                alan@pacdata.com
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From: meb@sally.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Brodsky)
Subject: Re: DS9 Good show -- borring theme (No spoilers)
Reply-To: mark-brodsky@nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:40:56 GMT

In article <1idmcrINN65g@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cq377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu  
(David C. Williss) writes:
> 
> I just saw DS9, and ... is it just me, or does the opening theme
> reeeelllllyyyy drag?  The show is excellent, but needs a better theme.
> I saw the  suggestion for a theme to the tune of Gilligan's Island, and
> it would be better.  Any other suggestions?
> -- 
IMHO I think the show should have a Preable like TOS and TNG. Of course it  
couldn't be the old "Space, the final frontier....." but I felt like  
something was missing as the show opened. There definately is room for a  
preamble in the music.
Xref: sparky rec.arts.startrek.current:22520 rec.arts.startrek.misc:13367
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:39:17 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <ewright.726194112@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>In <rawdon.726173446@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>>Gee, it sure looked like "temporary command" to me.  When Picard came back,
>>Riker was no longer in command.  Or are you using a different definition of
>>"temporary" than I am?

>At the time, Star Fleet didn't expect Picard to come back.  Remember,
>Admiral --- had written him off for dead.  And then, to reinforce the
>fact, he gave Riker command of the Enterprise.

But when Picard DID come back, he assumed command of the Enterprise, and
Riker's rank reverted to that of Commander.  If it were really a PERMANENT
assignment, his rank would not have been reduced.

Riker was given the rank of Captain and command of the Enterprise only because
there was no one better qualified who was available to take command on the
spot.  Had Picard not returned, in all likelihood Riker would not have
retained command of the ship.

>>It seemed to me that Riker was put in command because there was no time (or
>>resources) to get someone more qualified out to the ship, given the threat of
>>the Borg.

>He could have done that as a Commander or a brevet Captain.  But 
>the Admiral promoted him to the rank of Captain instead.  

Because it was thought necessary that the commander of the Federation flagship
at that time should be a Captain, since it seemed likely that the Enterprise
would have to interact with other ships.

>>>Agreed.  It would be interesting to see the writers incorporate this
>>>into the show, with Riker getting passed over for command because he
>>>waited too long, getting increasingly anxious, etc.

>>Well, except that they haven't done a single thing with this in the 2+ years
>>since "The Best Of Both Worlds".  I think the writers (as usual for TNG) 
>>just stuck that bit in BOBW for that one story and have conveniently ignored 
>>it ever since.

>I didn't say I expected the writers to do that.  I said it would
>be interesting if they did.

It would, but my point is that since they've ignored it for two years, it
seems unlikely (and a bit implausible) that they'll do it now.

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

No optimistic outlook survives contact with the human race.
From: ko_mike@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Michael Y Ko)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Quote Me on this if you Like ...
Date: 9 Jan 1993 20:53:01 -0500
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu

Well, I don't think that because the station doesn't move, the show will fail.
Why do you think they had the station move to the wormhole in the first show?
The wormhole is supposed to bring ships to the station before entering the hole.
Also, civiliziations on the other side of the wormhole, will pass the station
after they travel through it. The station is in for a lot of action.
From: Mic.Oettinger@launchpad.unc.edu (Mic Oettinger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Gorgeous Women and Lots of Sex!!!!!
Date: 11 Jan 93 01:28:42 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <43298@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> cs163wav@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff) writes:
>In article <1993Jan10.223652.23330@nevada.edu> messiah@nevada.edu (mw) writes:
>}In article <C0nMrz.84G@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> aisa@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Charlie Festel) writes:
>}>
>}>You have just become the subject of a small psychological
>}>experiment.  The sole purpose of this post is to see how many
>}>guys (and perhaps gender-confused gals) picked this post to read
>}>out of the hundreds available simply because of the title.
>}>
>}>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA  
>}>
>}
>}Does your "psychological experiment" allow for the fact that there is a
>}distinct margin of error in the assumption that people do not realize
>}the title is meant as bait? I suspected it, and then confirmed it, and I'm
>}sure there were others. 
>}
>}I just love to throw people's ill-conceived experiments into chaos....
>}
>}HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>
>What I want to know is how the experimenter intends to determine "how
>many guys...  picked this post to read."
>
>HAHAHA...  oh, never mind.

Well, I am female, but I was only reading the posts in order.
Hey, the title *does* scream out "READ ME!!!"
I hope I contributed to your experiment.

"You are *not* funny."
"Whadaya mean I'm not funny? What, do I bore you?"
"Well, yah, you're just not funny, you never were."


{The above was not funny}


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From: dp66@mc4adm.UWaterloo.ca (Kevin L. Oberle)
Subject: Re: The fate of Trill hosts
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:52:45 GMT

In article <93011.140023U15289@uicvm.uic.edu> <U15289@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>Thoughts at large, inspired by the arrival of Lt. Dax at DS9:

Furthermore:  - how do the Trill reproduce if they are isolated
                inside a host body (assuming they are not asexual)?
              - they showed a surgical procedure to transfer the trill
                from one host to the next.  How did a trill ever get
                implanted in a host in the first place?
-- 
Kevin                                          dp66@watdcs.UWaterloo.ca
From: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Uniform Colors
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:08:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 

On Mon, 04 Jan 93 06:13:48 PST, L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM wrote:

L6>I'm REALLY sorry if this has been covered here or somewhere else before.
L6>In ST:TOS all of the uniform colors meant something.  I think it went
L6>gold for command, blue for science, and red for engineering.  They don't
L6>seem to hold the same conventions in ST:TNG.  I've seen just about
L6>everyone change uniform colors.  What do the colors correspond to?

[The following is excerpted from a Frequently Asked Questions file I
wrote some time back.]

    There are three uniform colors; for our purposes, we will call them
"red", "gold" and "blue".

    Red means one of two things:  Command or Helm.  Command red is worn
by a captain, an admiral, a first officer, or someone who is in a
special command position, such as the leader of a task force.  Someone
who is stationed at the Helm (also known as Conn) also wears red.

    Blue means Sciences.  Sciences includes medical services (or Life
Sciences), but it also includes other sciences such as geology,
cybernetics, etc.

    Gold indicates Ship's Operations (also known as "Support Services").
This includes engineering, security, tactical, Ops, transporter and
other miscellaneous functions not covered by the other two designations.

[Hope that makes things clearer!]

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              \  "Let us think the unthinkable, let us   /   scott.hollifield
              /   do the undoable.  Let us prepare to    \   @the-matrix.com
              \  grapple with the ineffable itself, and  /
              /    see if we may not eff it after all."  \
              \_              --- Dirk Gently           _/
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From: zweers@csd.uwo.ca (Erik Zweers)
Subject: Re: The Final Star Trek Movie?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:58:04 GMT

In article <C0oyx4.6uC@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Eric Schlene <eschlene@indiana.edu> writes:
>
>
>Regarding possible titles, how about "Star Trek VII - the Wrath of
>Fiber," 
>"Star Trek VII - The Search for my Bifocals," or 
>"Star Trek VII - The Voyage to the Home"
>
How about ST VII:  Revenge of the Tribles (SP??)
			   ST VII:  Harry Mudd II
          ST VII:  The Voyage Back  (lets have them get some dodo
			 birds now)

						Erik.
From: tallman@ailanthus.com (Robert Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: 28 Re: Re: Galaxy-class Starships
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 02:13:02 EDT
Reply-To: tallman@ailanthus.com (Robert Oliver)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu writes:

> ------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
> In article <13410@bnr-rsc.UUCP> coop7z52@bnr.ca (Rahim Pira) writes:
> >
> > <boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> (Donald P Boell) writes:
> >>>Begging your pardon, but I believe the ship that blew up in the
> >>>"Conspiracy" episode was an Ambassador class starship, not Galaxy.
> >
> >>Wrong, the ship was the E's sister ship - the Yamato.
> >
> >I don't think that's correct as the Yamato blew up in the episode (sorry for
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >tion created technology enabling them to travel anywhere simply by walking t
> >
> >-----------------
> >Rahim
> >.
> >.
> The only Ambassador class starship to appear on TNG was the
> Enterprise-C
> 
>                                           -=Road Warrior=-

Other Ambassador class ships are the USS Horatio from "Conspiracy" (not 
seen), USS Excalibur from "Redemption", USS Zhukov from "Data's Day" and 
one seen in DS9.

........
Robert Oliver, tallman@ailanthus.com
via Ailanthus Project +1 207-989-6562 - Brewer, Maine.
........
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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:35:07 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <rawdon.726776646@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:

>>"Sure he can defeat the Borg, but how well would he handle Luxanna
>>Troi?  Better not chance it." ;-)

>Yeah, but can he handle complicated diplomatic missions, or fleet maneuvers
>(in which the Enterprise would be the commanding vessel)?  

Irrelevent, in the case of fleet manuevers.  In that case, Star Fleet
would put a flag officer (Commodore or Admiral) aboard to command them.

(That is the real meaning of flagship, although the writers don't
seem able to understand it.)  



>Strange, though, that Riker still seems to be on the Enterprise.  I wonder
>what Starfleet thought of THAT?  He's offered his choice of ANY ship the fleet
>fleet and he turns down ALL of them?  Wow.  And he's been offered three
>commands BESIDES that offer.  Maybe he's just not fit for a regular command,
>huh?

You're still having trouble with that linear-time concept, aren't
you? :-)  Riker didn't "turn down all of them" until after the
Battle of the Borg ended, so there's no way that could have effected
Star Fleet's decision about whether to him permanent captain of the 
Enterprise, which was made *during* the battle. 



>>Besides, if Star Fleet is like the US Navy, there are probably
>>more ships commanded by Commanders than by Captains.

>Funny that we've barely seen any of them.  (I can't actually think of even
>one, offhand.  I can think of a ship which was commnded by a Commodore,
>though.)

But nearly all (all?) the ships we've seen are cruiser-class or above.
Star Fleet must also have a large number of destroyer-class and
smaller vessels, with would be Commander- rather than Captain-rated
commands.


>Perhaps.  It could depend on the circumstances (which one might expect to
>change rapidly and for the worse in a situation involving the Borg).  For
>instance, what happens when the fleet commander is killed?

Fleet commanders do not work alone.  He would have a staff and
deputy working with him.  The deputy might even be assigned to
another ship, for safety, if the situation warranted it.


>>No, it seems that Shelby was right: "If you wait to long, it could
>>look like you're standing still."

>My point!

Wait a minute.  I'm confused.

I thought the question was, would Riker have been given permanent
command of the Enterprise if Picard had not been returned by the
Borg?

The point you seem to be arguing now is that Riker would not have
been given permanent command of the Enterprise if Picard had not
been returned by the Cardassians.  Is that what you're trying to
say?

If so, how did the Borg enter into this discussion?



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