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From: ghosh@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sanjoy Ghosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: More about India
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:06:50 GMT
Organization: Univ of Illinois, Center for Supercomputing R&D, Urbana, IL

(Aruna Mahadevan) writes:

>99% of males consider the woman to be their "slave" who HAS to do all
>their cooking and cleaning, making babies and taking care of babies.

Doesn't the severity of the above statement indicate an attitude
problem on the other side as well?  Assuming 850M to be the pop.,
and 50% male.  You are saying 420M males treat their wives like
slaves.

>The lack of interaction between the sexes also leads to awkwardness and
>increases mystery, but I don't see how that can lead to such
>reprehensible behaviour.   By the same argument, shouldn't women also
>engage in harrassing men???

Aren't they already?  With attitudes like the above.  When they
bring that kind of emotional baggage to a marriage.

>I have my doubts about a coeducational environment being right for
>women -- they would have very little opportunity to ask questions in
>class, and to initiate serious discussions because the men would be more
>aggressive and get more of the teacher's time.  

Not always true.  I taught a Master's course in CS to a class with
12 women, and 4 men.  I don't think many parents would send their
children to schools where only hecklers got the teacher's attention.

>This is something that I feel will always be an issue with Indians.
>That's because Indians are somehow "morally superior" in that they don't
>engage in these activities before marriage!  Yeah, right!  It is a fact
>that a number of Indian men have "fun" here with an American woman but
>when it comes to marriage, they want a virgin from India!!!  The
>ultimate hypocrisy.

Agreed.  But who's to tell that our dear "virgin" is not indulging in
the same hypocrisy.  I haven't heard of any desis asking for certifiable
proof of virginity.  And some of the stories I hear from India!

>>I hope that those who would be apologists for the Indian male's
>>attitudes toward women as expressed every day on the buses of Delhi and
>>elsewhere would do some thinking about their own attitudes and try to
>>get to know some women as individuals. Maybe then they'll realize that
>>although all is not well in this society, women get a far better deal in
>>everyday life here than they do in India today. 
>>
>I agree with you.  Though things are not perfect here, it is MUCH better
>for women than India.

As for those who advocate that men with such attitudes should get to
know more women, all I can say is please start a referral service.
I am sure most of those men would very happily turn a new leaf.  If
you can't find anybody else, volunteer you our own time as a friend.  
A kind of Indian 4H club.

As somebody sang "I just might change my life.  If you asked me to."

Sanjoy Ghosh
From: ghosh@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sanjoy Ghosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: BM-RJB issue (more developments)
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:18:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: csrd.1992Oct13.161852.27594
Organization: Univ of Illinois, Center for Supercomputing R&D, Urbana, IL

(Raja R Roy) writes:

>45 years was a long long time to change the demography of Kashmir. 

Don't intend to be rude or anything, but who do you think you are.
God or what.  Change the demography of the place.  Who or what gives
you the right to do that.  I hope not Hinduism, or Hindu spiritual 
leaders.

>If only we had allowed Indians outside
>Kashmir to settle  there, today we would not have the problem of Kashmir.
>As it turns out Nehru was an idiot, not to have allowed so.

So that the fatcats of Bombay, Delhi, and Calcutta could have a
6-lane autobahn built to Srinagar.  Huge empty havelis on the
Dal Lake, and most of the natives employed as hired help.

Sanjoy Ghosh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: eleeafj@menudo.uh.edu (P. Narendra)
Subject: Re: IITK-7th?
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:44:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.224823.14253@menudo.uh.edu> mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:
>As far as I remember the survey was conducted by looking at the research
>output of the alumni, i.e. some kind of no. of papers/ no. of students
>approach. If you keep this in mind the result may not look so surprising.
>Of course you can always say that the credit belongs to the graduate program.
>But the truth is that the credit belongs to both.
>Also I am a strong opponent of spreading any myth about the supriority of
>the IITs. It comes down to the individual every time. A jewel is a jewel
>everywhere. However the human and material resources do help.
>Arindam
>

 I am with you Arindam.

Naren  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal)
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC REPUBLIC of KERALA
Summary: Fundamentalism
Keywords: Fundamentalism
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 23:58:10 GMT

So how do we fight fundametalism? Your opinion and mine assume that
such behaviour is detrimental to the country.

a)We could get fundamentalistic ourselves
b)We could ignore the fundamentalist
c)We could introduce new anti-fundamentalistic laws

If people in Kerala believe that their lifestyle is being
threatened they should stand up and fight the opressors. There is
enough Islam bashing on the net which seems to be moving towards a
a) solution. 

Personally I believe that any person using religion to incite
violence should be given the chair. It is the leaders who should be
made directly responsible for the illeffects of fundamentalism.
Maybe we could rewrite our laws accordingly (Will help tremendously
with other religious problems too). Our laws are too lenient on the
people (religious and political leaders) who misguide others into
violence.

John Ainikkal
'Aotearoa' - Land of the long white cloud
From: lubkt@spectrum.CC.Lehigh.EDU (Binod K. Taterway)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: WITHER PATRIOTISM ?
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:45:08 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Let no one question any one's patriotism simply because of his/her
choice of residence. I find so many people justify patriotism with
arguments such as how much US$ NRIs pour in India. You may like
this country or any other for that matter and choose to settle   
whereever you like, it is your choice. But no one say that it
is unpatriotic; I find it repugnant.
--

Binod Taterway                     
Sr. User Consultant                |    lubkt@spectrum.CC.Lehigh.EDU
Lehigh University Computing Center |    bt00@lehigh.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: barakam@infonode.ingr.com (Sreedhar Barakam)
Subject: Re: Who are these anti-India Sikhs? ( was: Re: Solarz lost. Now what?)
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:33:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.155301.13899@wam.umd.edu> kalia@next10epsl.wam.umd.edu (Atul Kalia) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct9.171116.16884@infonode.ingr.com>  
>barakam@infonode.ingr.com (Sreedhar Barakam) writes:
>> >I know there are supporters for Khalistan movement all over the world.  
>I am
>> >curious to know what makes them support this movement.
>> >Most of these supporters in India, are unemployed minority of sikhs who  
>try
>> >to impose their movement on the majority- or so goes my impression so  
>far.
>> >But why do those who are in, say California, support this movement?
>> >
>> >
>> >Sreedhar Barakam.
>> 
>1.	based Sikhs hear of and are affected by accesses against their 
>	blood relatives ,they support any attempt which they believe could
>
>2.	All these views are oft repeated but the real reason is a feeling
>	of brotherhood. Why did Indians settled abroad support India's 
>	independence struggle?  Even here one could say that they weren'
>	" denied anything". 
>
>	Does that sound convincing?
>
>	-KALIA 

 Well, Yes and No. Yes to your point 1. No to 2, if you re-read
my question, the point was MAJORITY of sikhs in Punjab are not for
this movement, but only an unemployed few.  Being well-off, why 
would Californian-sikhs support?  Probably, if Indian police/army
brutalizes my relatives I would support such a kind of a movement
too.  But I am doubtful as to the majority sikhs' support for a
separate state.


Sreedhar Barakam.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM ()
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC REPUBLIC of KERALA
Originator: indu@iss700
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 15:16:08 GMT

In my original posting ISLAMIC REPUBLIC of KERALA  the following error occured .

>The following is CENTRE SPREAD article published in a Telugu Weekly magazine.
>The original telugu article is transalted into English. Please note that 
>I'm just a TRANSLATOR and the ORGINAL writer.  THE ERRORs in TRANSLATION and 
                         ^^^^^
I'm just a TRANSLATOR and NOT the ORIGINAL writer....
   Excuse me for missing  a   "NOT" in the original posting.

-Indu.
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From: janand@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Jayaraman Anand)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: SOME DOKI JOKES
Keywords: jokes
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:30:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: vela.1992Oct7.183035.10763
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.

In article <1992Oct6.213816.5138@cis.ohio-state.edu> angrish@ganymede.cis.ohio-state.edu (yogesh angrish) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.204042.23752@vela.acs.oakland.edu> janand@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Jayaraman Anand) writes:
>>In article <23467@optima.cs.arizona.edu> lal@cs.arizona.edu (The New Sun) writes:
>>>What is worse then a Doki in the blender?
>>>A Doki on the net.
>>>
>>>A. Lal
>>>P.S. I am just kidding. ;-)
>>>
>>
>>What is worse than a Doki on the net ?
>>
>>A Doki and a couple of chamchas on the net.
>>
>>J Anand.
>>
>>P.S. I am just kidding. ;-) Really.
>>
>
>What is worse than a Doki and a couple of chamchas on the net?
>
>people who're kidding.
>
>P.S. Do you think I'm kidding?
>
>

what's worse than people who are kidding ?

People who are not sure whether they are kidding or not .

P.S. I am not kidding. Really.

J Anand.
From: U15297@uicvm.uic.edu (Shyamala Parameswaran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Stories
Date: 11 Oct 92 18:55:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92285.135521U15297
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <1b9qf6INNeuu@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
says:
>
>i am seeing a lot of stories being posted in this newsgroup offlate. i
>don't think this is the right thing to do. i have collected the list
>of all the newsgroups that are exclusively meant to post stories.
>it is upto you to decide as which group to post in.
>
>here is the list:
>
>alt.sex.stories! 1-2296,2303,2309,2313,2322-2325,2328
>rec.aviation.stories! 1-4
>alt.sex.stories.d! 1-303
>alt.folklore.ghost-stories! 1-663
>
>
>you can also post to alt.bizarre, talk.bizarre, alt.junk and so on.
>
>
>
>suresh
>
>ps: i am serious.

Man, are you serious? _Really_? Wow! Thanks for the pointer.
I believe *you* were told were you could take your stuff?


Shyamala
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: hsingh@seas.gwu.edu (harmel singh)
Subject: Re: Heroism in Indian culture
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 09:56:18 GMT


yunus@loro-next.Stanford.EDU (Jonas Sami Celebiler) writes:
: 
: I am interested, if you are interested as well, in the concept of hero in  
: Indian culture.  The values and ideals that are imbodied in the Indian  
: heroes.  
: For example, Arjuna and Rama.  In what ways are they heroes, are they  
: different types of heroes, or are they very similar.
: It seems that Arjuna and Rama are heroes in  a different sense than the  
: American hero, in that the ideal they follow is to do their duty, rather  
: than the American ideal of doing something that is "right" and "putting  
: things right".  How does that lead to heroism though,  and how does that  
: link to hinduism, and dharma
:
literally as given in the GITA 'dharma' is duty .

to put things simply .... 
doing 'right' doesn't necessarily mean that u r doing your duty.
because what does 'right' mean anyway... its complex function of
time , place, person(s) involved in determining 'right' etc.
whereas when u do your 'duty' u can never NEVER be wrong and it is
always the right thing. 

One distinct virtue of Indian heroes that I have observed is 'tyag'
or 'renounciation' . Ability to renounce all worldly riches etc.

refer to shrimadbhagwadgita ( GITA ) for more details.
cheers 
harmel.
From: U15297@uicvm.uic.edu (Shyamala Parameswaran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: more about india (from Subbarao)
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:47:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92288.204725U15297
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Subbarao's note posted (with permission):

=========================================================================
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 14:48:06 MST
From: rao@parikalpik.eas.asu.edu (Subbarao Kambhampati)
Message-Id: <9210142148.AA27042@parikalpik.eas.asu.edu>
To: U15297@uicvm.uic.edu
Subject: Re: More About India/ Whither Patriotism
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
 <susanc.719011281@keckiris> <1992Oct14.140517.21083@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Arizona State University, Tempe
Cc:


Very nicely said. I can't believe that reasonable people like Uma S,
Susan and others have made it their life's duty to "prove" that there
is more physical sexual harrassment in India than there is in US.
Granted they want to do it counteract the other extermers who suggest
that everything in India is just as great as everything here. Neither
can I believe that they are trying to prove situation of Indian women
to be worse than that of women in US based largely on conjectures
about harrassment in public transportation (when there are many other
glaring ways in which Indian situation lacks). But, should opposing an
extreme viewpoint always imply that you automatically take the other
extreme? I wonder. [I mean, how does one compare the metros of Bombay
where people are virtually plastered together, to the metros of DC
where the maximum crowd is on July 4th night and even then there is a
minimum distance between the standers? How does one generalize from
Uma S's existence proof of attempts at rape in a Madras college and
surmise that there must be just as many or even more
stranger/colleague rape cases in India than there are in USA, but it
is just that in India they never get reported? ]

oh well.. when this thread came around a couple of years back, very
similar arguments were exchanged between the extreme optimists and
extreme pessimists, and I wrote the following.. nothing seems to have
changed in the intervening years, thank god!

Rao
[Oct 14, 1992]
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From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Stories
Date: 11 Oct 92 18:06:30 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu



i am seeing a lot of stories being posted in this newsgroup offlate. i
don't think this is the right thing to do. i have collected the list
of all the newsgroups that are exclusively meant to post stories. 
it is upto you to decide as which group to post in.

here is the list:

alt.sex.stories! 1-2296,2303,2309,2313,2322-2325,2328
rec.aviation.stories! 1-4
alt.sex.stories.d! 1-303
alt.folklore.ghost-stories! 1-663


you can also post to alt.bizarre, talk.bizarre, alt.junk and so on.



suresh

ps: i am serious.
From: ka@wan.inf.rl.ac.uk (Khalid Akram)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Muslims will start an Armed Rebellion
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:08:30 GMT
Reply-To: ka@wan.inf.rl.ac.uk
Organization: SERC Rutherford Appleton Laboratories

Listen Indu,

The speech which you reproduced claims that muslim women are being raped.
If your wife/sister/mother/daughter was being raped would you not burn
for desire of revenge, would you not want to destroy those who perpetrated
these crimes? Of course you would. Now if muslim women are being raped
by indian police, why shouldn't the muslims gather and try to fight this?

You are worried about an Islamic takeover!!! Just give the muslims their
basic rights as humans, i.e. the right for their women not to be abused and you
will not have an uprising.

Last year we (here in UK) got wind of a video report where Kashmiri women
gave interviews. There were stories of the indian army removing all men
from villages, and then systematically raping all the women. Would you like
it if someone did that to your community??? Then, some young women, the age
of 19/20 were nailed, yes *nailed* by their hands and feet to wooden floorboards.
This is how we muslims are being treated by the indian army. And you wonder
why muslims want to fight back.

Get real, sort out the indian police force/army. Then muslims will sort themselves
out.

Khalid
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:33824 su.events:81
From: konkar@bimini.stanford.edu (Ranjit Konkar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,su.events
Subject: Indian Sunday Supper for ASHA-Stanford
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:01:50 GMT
Reply-To: Ranjit Konkar <konkar@sunrise.stanford.edu>
Distribution: ba
Organization: DSG, Stanford University


This is to let everyone know that this Sunday, ASHA is hosting the
Sunday Supper at the International Center. This is a fund-raiser and
the money from ticket sales will go to education projects that ASHA
sponsors in India. So everyone is especially encouraged to come for
the dinner and contribute to the cause. More information on ASHA will
be available at the dinner, or by sending mail to
asha@cs.stanford.edu. Thank you.

Ranjit

----------------------------------------------------------------------

				Indian
			    Sunday Supper

		       6:30pm, October 18, 1992
		 at the Bechtel International Center

       Tickets: $5 students, $6 general* (available 9am - 10pm)

		 Movie at 7:30pm (free) - Cry Freedom

     For information call 725-0890 (daytime), 723-1831 (evenings)

		   A different cuisine each Sunday!

	* Proceeds of this dinner go to ASHA: an organisation
       for the education of the underprivileged in rural India
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rajeev@CS.MsState.EDU (Rajeev Agarwal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Any experiences with Grecian Travels??
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:43:44 GMT
Reply-To: rajeev@CS.MsState.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Mississippi State University

I have a confirmed ticket to India thru some Grecian Travels in NY.
Does anyone have any good/bad experiences with them?  Please let me know
by e-mail.

Thanks.

-- Rajeev Agarwal
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.culture.karnataka,alt.visa.us
From: subbarao@nmsu.edu (Ravi Subbarao)
Subject: ANYBODY WITH UNIV NON-TEACHING JOB WHO HAS APPLIED FOR LABOR CERT???
Followup-To: poster
Organization: New Mexico State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:38:52 GMT


Hi Folks,

Sorry for wasting the "bandwidth"..... But, I have a urgent query
to ask.

Is there anybody out there, who has a university job (non-teaching)
and is planning to apply for Labor Certification or has already applied??

Please respond to this posting.... I need to talk to you guys and 
clarify some questions I have. 

Please reply back with your email address and telephone number I will
call you.

Thanks a lot...


-Ravi

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From: plaul@engr.latech.edu (Pummy Laul)
Subject: Re: ** Any cheap LONG DISTANCE company ?? **
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 05:25:17 GMT

V-Cube!!! (ved@cis.ksu.edu) wrote:
: 
: 
: 	Hi Netters,
: 
: 		Please let me know through mail whether there is any
: 	long distance company that I can use for calling India and 
: 	which charges me much less than MCI (which is my present company),
: 	and whether it is available in my state, Kansas.  Right now the
: 	charges for prime time is $1.54/min.  Any company offering
: 	better than this?  If so how much and what's the company?
: 	And how can I get to subscribe them?  Please provide details.
: 
: 
: 
: 	Thanks for your audience.
: 
: 	Please reply to 
: 	
: 	ved@cis.ksu.edu
: 
: 
: 
: 	Ved.
: 
: 				-------------

U can use US Sprint.

US sprint is having a special where calls to India is $1.23/minute.  
They also have this program called "THE MOST" where the number which 
has accumulated the max number of minutes repeat minutes receives 
another 20% discount.  It would be most prudent to keep your MCI for 
calling within the US and take advantage of the 20 % discount to 
be used only for your India calls.  You will have to switch to
US Sprint as your long distance company.  But you can still access
MCI using 10333-1-913-xxx-xxxx.  You can also keep all those MCI 
friends and families and other discounted plans.

Here is the Catch.

Sprint Customer service Truly SUCKS.  Not all their Reps know about 
the India Plan.  Only solution to that is to hang up and dial again.

US Sprint gave me the 1.23 India plan in writing, however when i recd 
my bill they had charged me 1.55/ min.  
I had to fax the copy of their letter to them.  The Rep I talked to 
was very understanding and gave me a no questions asked $50.00 credit
on account of their misbilling.  I do not know if that credit is 
actually going to be posted to my account.

Let me know of your headaches with US Sprint.  
We might compile them and actually send it to them






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From: sljlx@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: 1989 Roorkeeites
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:48:12 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

hi !!

All Roorkee 89 batch guys/gals contact NOIDA.


Ashish Sharma
sljlx@CC.usu.edu 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Subject: Re: Boring discussion!!!
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 05:00:06 GMT

sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki) writes:


>does anyone have an idea as to what the other discussion on this group
>is about?..... something about culture and western civilisation and so
>on.  could someone try to stop this thread?



Give threats to break the thread.


Bye
Adil



p.s. just kidding.


>suresh

>ps: no offense intended, just kidding