From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: Re: Israeli Expulsion of 418 Palestinians
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:03:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.193445.29576@ennews.eas.asu.edu>,
makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
> In article <1992Dec21.155449.14721@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU
(Brad Hernlem) writes:
> 
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> # These people were not even
> # given a trial and yet you have already sentenced them (you state with
> # conviction that you know that each and every one of these people has
> # sworn to destroy Israel). You don't even know who they are (unless you
> # have special connections with the Israeli government) and yet you KNOW
> # that each one of them is guilty.
> 
> 	When a bomb aimed at a (ill) deserving party, it might kill him.
> It might kill an innocent person.  However that does not make it wrong
> to drop the bomb.  You must seek out the best alternative, even if
> that means killing innocents (but that should play a role in
> determining the best alternative).
> 
> 	The fact of the matter is they are all supporters of HAMAS.  Given
> Israel's more than justified security concerns, even if every one of
> them did not participate in Toledano's murder, they should be
> deported.  In fact, all of the Arabs should be deported unless they
                                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^
> agree to live as citizens in a Jewish state peacefully.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   

Is this the policy of Israel? Will Israel grant citizenship to all
Palestinians who apply? If in the future Jews no longer comprise the
majority of Israeli citizens, will Israel cease to be a "democracy" in
exchange for remaining a "Jewish" state? I suspect that most
Palestinians severely doubt whether democracy will take precedence over
Zionism if they are granted such an "opportunity". I believe that Israel
should work toward dispelling this doubt.
 
> # Being a supporter of such a justice
> # system, aren't you afraid that some day someone might come up to you,
> # declare that for reasons of state security you must be expelled from
> # your country and left in freezing weather without shelter or food (and
> # without a country, I might add; Palestinians have no passports and so do
> # not easily get around)? Of course you will have the joy and consolation
> # that you will be able "appeal" the decision!! 
> 
> 	No, I am not concerned, because should such a situation arise, I
> will immedialty go to Israel (something which I will do anyway in the
> near future if Rabin does not give it all away).  Israel exists to
> provide that role for Jews.

Very fortunate for YOU. I am sure that you know that the Palestinians
who were deported have no country. You should talk to some Palestinians
sometime and ask how it is to be without a country...to only be able to
have a passport if some country generously grants you one. You are not
looking correctly at what I said above. 
 
> 	And their plight would not be so bad if the world, especially
> their Arab bretheren spent 1% of their recources helping them that
> they use complaining about them.

How very nice of you! Are you no less one of their brothers?

> 	And in the US I doubt I would be expelled unless I was a threat to
> state security, which is one of the reasons I still chose to live
> here.

Please, David, I did not say you had to actually be a threat to state
security, only that you are charged as such. Remember, these
Palestinians were not tried, no evidence has been presented in a court
of law, they have only been accused.
 
> 	They should not have joined HAMAS.
> 
>    [....]
> makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu

Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)