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From: boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg)
Subject: Re: Boston Computer Society shows Falcon 030
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 10:12:42 GMT

aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys) writes:


>In a previous article, boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg) says:

>>
>>>  - in many respects the Falcon is more powerful than the Video Toaster,
>>>    containing 98% of its functionality. The cost of the Falcon plus
>>>    any associated software/hardware will be less in cost than the
>>>    Video Toaster itself.
>>
>>  You got to be kidding! Whoever said that should get a clue. There's no
>>way a puny little Falcon can pull off the tricks the Toaster can. Wake
>>up and get a grip on reality.

>HAVE YOU USED THE FALCON 030 YET?

  No. You see, here in Scandinavia Atari doesn't even have a subsidiary ...
Commodore has four. Go figure ...

>The more I read, the more I see an insecure Commodore user that is letting
>out his frustrations on the comp.sys.atari.st newsgroup to make himself
>feel better.

  Right :-) I am a registered Commercial Amiga Developer so I know what CBM 
is up to and I know it's good, so I'm not one bit frustrated or insecure. 
Quite the opposite, actually. 

  I just wanted to see how Atarians react to criticism, and so far I've
received no sensible reply (except one in EMail). I'd like you to answer
some of the questions I asked instead of just dismissing me as "one of 
those stupid AmigaDroids". I was interested in the Falcon at one point but
quickly lost interest when I learned that the blitter and the rest of the
video hardware were on the main CPU bus... Talk about crippling a perfectly
good CPU.

>The only thing I have to say is that Atari released their next generation
>computer while Commodore has not.

  Oh have they? From what I've heard you cannot go out and buy a Falcon
*now* because they aren't shipping yet! I can get an A4000 *now* and I'm
collecting my money to buy one...

> Len Stys
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From: don@cc.gatech.edu (Don Allison)
Subject: Re: TOS upgrade advice/help needed :^)
Reply-To: don@cc.gatech.edu (Don Allison)
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 02:09:34 GMT

In article <H.ea.gFDj&LZVCRI@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca> jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders) writes:
>
>    I have removed my 68000 and several other chips on the ST motherboard,
>and it's tricky, as traces break reaally easily. I was lucky I had access 
>to a mega st circuit digram, as one of the traces leading to the blitter 
>broke, and it took me several hours to track down with a continuity testor.
>This was after using both a desolderer and desoldering tape. Any other
>pc board work I plan to take to a shop.
>
I can vouch for the difficulty of the operation.  I managed to kill my 520ST
even using a fancy de-soldering station, etc.  I had to "blue-wire" about
4 traces to get it to boot again and there are still a couple I need to
track down (for example it boots in color with a mono monitor connected).
Evidently some of the inner layer traces are as flimsy as the outer layer
ones and are very succeptible to heat damage, because none of the breaks
were on the outer layer...I also had to use an ohmmeter and a schematic
(which didn't correspond exactly to the ST I had).

If you have to do it yourself, cut the 68000 out (I tried to get it out by
unsoldering...BIG MISTAKE), use minimal heat to solder suck the holes out,
and be prepared to have to find broken traces in any case (ie be fluent
with an ohmmeter and have a schematic!)

Don Allison
don@cc.gatech.edu

By the way, does anyone know a place that repairs ST's cheaply? :-)  I'm
about ready to let someone else find the other broken traces, and I'm looking
for a place to upgrade my Aerco Ram card to 4Meg also.

					
					-Don Allison (don@cc.gatech.edu)
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From: lombardo@cwis.unomaha.edu (Marc Lombardo)
Subject: Using the ST with an Alesis SR16 drum machine
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:26:35 GMT

I just recently bought an alesis sr-16 drum machine, and I was happy to see
those two beautiful ports on the back ... MIDI ports.  I am unsure of the
software available on the st that I could use with this drum machine.  I 
would like to be able to at least store my patterns and songs on the computer,
but I would love to be able to do sequencing on the computer (st controls
alesis) and sample playing (alesis controls st).

Any recommendations?  I would love to be able to hook the alesis up to control
a tracker ... can Audio Sculpture do this?  (by the way, can audio sculpture
be used on a hard drive?)

Later


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From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Subject: Re: comp.sys.atari.falcon
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:59:42 GMT

wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:

>In article <1992Sep30.013510.13771@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, schram@spot.Colorado.EDU (Steve Schram) writes:
>>How about we start a new group for the falcon?  I believe it more than
>>deserves its own group.  How 'bout it?

>Comp.sys.atari.falcon

>Sounds like a great idea, half of the conversation in this base is Falcon
>related, and for people like myself who are getting sick of because they are
>unlikely to ever own one/want one/have access to one (or just are sick of it)
>it'd keep them happy!

Fully agreed. Let's get back to real ST-topics...

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From: fergus@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (George Fergus)
Subject: Re: TNY picture printing
Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:30:32 GMT

In article <uVFJRB4w164w@tcpbbs.pcn.org>
   joeadato@tcpbbs.pcn.org (Joseph Adato) writes:
>selbyr@meena.cc.uregina.ca writes:
>
>> What is the best and easiest way to print out TNY greyscale pictures?
>> Is there a recommended program?
>
>If you just want to print individual pictures, you could  use DEGAS,
>TOUCHUP, PAGESTREAM and a host of other programs.

Using TOUCHUP takes too long.  First you have to load your pictures one
by one into TOUCHUP, which is very slow, and then save them.  Only then can
you run OUTPRINT, a separate program that does batch printing.  Even files
that are already in .IMG format cannot be printed by OUTPRINT unless they
have first been processed by TOUCHUP to produce auxilliary .GEM metafiles.

Having to go through all this is why I stopped using TOUCHUP.  Perhaps they
have fixed this in a more recent release?
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From: Edgar.Estrada@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Edgar Estrada)
Subject: Falcon
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:18:41 GMT

I know that this has been discussed before, but could someone give me
the details on the Atari Falcon?

Thank you,
 
Edgar

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From: anisko@usdtsg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (anisko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: HELP!! Do I have a virus or a sick ST?
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:30:28 GMT
Reply-To: anisko@usdtsg.UUCP ()
Organization: NCR Corporation, Dayton

In article <hjv.717945277@groucho.phil.ruu.nl> hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra) writes:
>Try to install the control panel separately - so put it in C:\ and don't use
>Chameleon to load the CP. They don't cooperate too well. I mean, you *can*
>use Chameleon, but not for the CP. This is just a guess, but I remember having
>tried to load the CP with Cham once, and encountering difficulties.

   Yup, various ACCessories like to have their own accessory slot.  For
instance, you don't want to run the Control panel under Chameleon, or
(I forget the name) the background disk formatter.  Only way to tell
is to experiment...

					Robert Anisko
					anisko@usdtsg.daytonoh.ncr.com
From: rasas@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Greg Patten)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon in Australia
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:17:03 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
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Originator: rasas@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

swanee@megadata.mega.oz.au (Geoff Swan) writes:

>In article <19us3cINNc2c@golem.wcc.govt.nz>, sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>> 
>> I think you have the price in OZZ completly wrong, even a 1040STE sells
>> there for some $A$800, also we have been quoted a NZ price of at least
>> nz$2500, so I think you will be dreaming of a A$1000 price, more like A$2300...
>> Roger.............               sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

>The figure I was quoted came straight from Atari itself, and has been
>backed up by a number of developers that I have spoken to. Where did
>you get your quotes from? I thought you said Atari in NZ had shrivelled
>up and blown away?

>    Sla/n go fo/ill,
>                    Risky B.
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The prices (in OZ) that you were quoted (Geoff) are the same as I was quoted
by a dealer here in Melb. 

Roger, please give us all a break (I understand you're p*&^%ed off, believe
me they don't do anything for us here either) but.....

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From: busbyjm@cs.aston.ac.uk (James M Busby)
Subject: GIF to RAW conversion
Reply-To: busbyjm@cs.aston.ac.uk
Organization: Aston University (Comp Sci)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:01:23 GMT

Does anyone know of a utility to convert GIF pics to RAW format, for display on
PhotoChrome? This is just the best picture format in existence for the ST at the
moment, and I'd love to see some gorgeous ex-GIFs!

James Busby



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From: tevans@unislc.uucp (Terry Evans)
Subject: Which BBS should I use????
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:19:56 GMT

   I have been thinking of setting up a BBS on my coputer at home
and I was wondering what BBS do the user's out there like?  

   I would like the BBS to be a PD version if there are some that
are acceptable to use.  (Acceptable means that it doesn't bomb,
is easy to maintain, etc..)  I noticed that there are two at 
atari.archive.umich.edu and they are called fnordadel and stadel.
How are they??

   You may either post your responese or send them to         
tevans@cs.utah.edu

Thanks for the help in advance.
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Subject: Re: Falcon vs Super Famicon
From: rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins)
Date: 26 Sep 92 11:44:32 -0500
Followup-To: junk
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <1992Sep22.073244.26685@alijku05.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at>, yoshi@gate.powerplay.ac.at (Yoshi Yellow) writes:
> Hi There !
> 
> Why should I buy a Falcon ? Nintendo's Super Famicon is much better !
> Just look at all those mighty guys writing Super Famicon games ! 
> It's an armada compared with those writing Falcon games.
> 
> Come on, tell some reasons *not* to buy a Super Famicon instead of a Falcon !
> 
> Yoshi

     Oh great, we now not only having a rogue Amiga users come and try to
start flame wars, but now we got Nintendo people coming.

     Well, anyway, a Super Famicon (Super Nintendo) has only a 65816 in
it, not a 68030, and the sound is lower quality (much lower) than a
Falcon, Graphics are lower quality, etc...

     This is a very meaningless topic for discussion, and I suggest it
be dropped.

Later.......

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From: etlgtme@etlxd32l.etlxd (Grant McFarlane,XD/GEEC,GH)
Subject: Compiled STOS programs crash on exit
Keywords: STOS Basic TOS(1.62)
Reply-To: etlgtme@etlxd32l.etlxd
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 10:17:33 GMT

Hi Folks,

I'm trying to compile a program in STOS basic. (don't ask me why !!)
I use the compiler to generate a .PRG(GEM) file and when I run it from the
desktop it runs OK until its time to quit and return to the desktop. At this
point the desktop appears (flashing) with 9 bombs (sometimes 3 or 4 bombs) and
everything is hung. I've tried removing all accessories but that didn't help.
I managed to get it running from a floppy instead of my hard disk but I had to
change resolution at least once for it to work (ie low -> medium). Weird !
In short, it never works from the hard disk but sometimes from a floppy if I
switch the hard disc off and re-boot. Anybody got any ideas !!??
My setup is: 520 STFM upgraded to 2 Megs (Xtraram DeLuxe)
             TOS 1.62
             Gasteiner 50 Meg Hard Drive (Seagate mechanism)

Cheers, Grant.
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From: boening.pad@sni.de (Martin Boening)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Press Coverage of Falcon?
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:33:03 GMT
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Info.Sys. AG, Paderborn, Germany

In <1714@lysator.liu.se> boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg) writes:

>  :-) :-) Face it guys - nobody's interested in the Falcon and it will be 
>a huge flop (just like all other Atari machines) and Atari will go
>bankrupt in no time when Commodore introduce their new AGA Low-end
>machines (same Gfx as A4000) by christmas.

Judging from the discussions seen here, there's a lot of interest for
the Falcon. As to press coverage: while it may be true that almost no
newspaper in the US had any coverage on the Boston unveiling of the
Falcon (who am I to judge, as I don't have accesss to US newspapers), at
least two big computer journals had coverage on the Falcon unveiling in
Duesseldorf (Atari Messe) here in Germany, namely the ``ST Computer
Magazin'' (which is the ST/TT magazine from the Heim Verlag, the Heim
Verlag being very engaged on the subject Atari) and, from a more PC
oriented side, a magazin called ``c't - Magazin fuer Computer Technik''.
The latter has, in the meantime, published a review of the machine and
was favourably impressed by it.

So, at least in Germany, the Falcon is off to a good start regarding
press coverage.

BTW, c't also reviewed an Amiga 4000. This machine was also favourable
received, BUT according to the review it does NOT have a SCSI interface.
Can this be true?

And now, I will but out of this debate again, as I don't intend to get
involved in flame wars of any kind. Anything hotter than an ice cube
will get thrown down the drain, i.e. moved to /dev/null.

Martin
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From: rzsbs@rz.uni-sb.de (sbusol)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: MiNT questions
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:49:13 GMT
Originator: rzsbs@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de

From article <86010057@hpbbrd.bbn.hp.com>, by jensk@hpbbrd.bbn.hp.com (Jens Kilian):
> There's an *extremely* simple terminal program called MTT which works with
> MiNT - in fact, it was written with MiNT in mind. It's in German, and the main
> purpose is support for the MausNet's batch protocol (MausTausch). But it will
> work as a normal terminal program, if you're content to use the TOS VT52
> emulator.
> 
> Anybody interested ?
> 

Please put it on the net - i.e. ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de & a.a.u.e


Thanx   Bernhard



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From: BWWL@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de (Wolfgang Ley)
Subject: Re: e: Convert picture formats??? Which program?
Organization: Rechenzentrum der TU CLAUSTHAL
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:35:15 GMT

Hi!
 
Just in addition to my last posting... Gemview can be obtained via ftp from
ftp.tu-clausthal.de (139.174.1.3) /pub/atari/graphics/viewer/gview11m.lzh
 
Bye,
  Wolfgang.
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From: wallmann@backus.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Natuerlich!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: using Falcon DSP as modem?
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:38:42 GMT
Organization: MSD software vault #9 @THD

In article <A5423@BN.maus.de> Juergen_Voorgang@bn.maus.de (Juergen Voorgang) writes:
>>I believe the falcon's SRAM is 32K
>
>It's 32 KWords with 24bits/word = 96 KB of zero-waitstate SRAM.
Well per address space I surely hope.

Nat!


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From: scastro@dcc.uchile.cl (SEBASTIAN CASTRO MIRANDA)
Subject: Simm. v/s Sipp ?
Originator: scastro@dcc.uchile.cl
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 16:40:50 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion

Recently i upgraded my st to 2.5mb with 2 sipps using 2_5ram.zoo wrote by 
Christopher Hicks . Is there any difference between sipp and simm for
upgrading st ?.

					Thanks...
					Seba.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: akenning@zeus.calpoly.edu (Aaron B. Kennington)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Desktop background picture for color monitors??
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:32:18 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <1992Sep30.050640.9835@sactoh0.sac.ca.us> mfolivo@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark Newton-John) writes:
>In <16871B62.C556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu> C556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Jeoff Hines) writes:
>
>>  I saw a nifty little piece of software that allows you to use a picture
>>(degas, I beleive) instead of the dull grey of your monochrome desktop.
>>This sounds really cool, but Is there a color equivalent?
>>
>
>There is a commercial program called ST Easel, that lets you put
>almost any Degas picture as your desktop. You use the same program
>for low, medium, and high resolutions, you just need to have the
>picture in the right format (PC1, PC2, or PC3)/
>
>The program is inexpensive, so try not to pirate it.
>

Warp 9 - Is a commercial screen accelerator that only provides
         you with the ability to use fill patterns for desktop
         or a picture. It also has hor. and ver. mouse wrapping
         custom fonts, and few other features. Works quite well
         though I notice that it occasionally alters the background
         display of Interlink, but has been compatible with everything
         I have used.
 


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From: dchou@husc8.harvard.edu (David Chou)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: New Mac Prices tough on Falcon
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:17:23 GMT

akenning@zeus.calpoly.edu (Aaron B. Kennington) writes:

>In article <bernardo-011092142428@126.10.4.34> bernardo@erevax.bitnet (Marcelino Bernardo) writes:
>>Here is a portion of a recent press release posted in
>>comp.sys.mac.announce.
>>
>>                                 Previous SRP   New SRP  %Change 
>>Macintosh LC II(4MB/40HD)         $1,699         $1,239    27
>>Macintosh LC II(4MB/80HD)         $1,849         $1,349    27
>>
>>It seems to me that Atari would have a hard time marketing the Falcon with
>>similar configuration for ~$1300 as I've read in this newsgroup.
>>

>Macintosh LC IIs still overprced for the speed they offer. 
>Also System7 soaks up 1.5-2megs (depends on fonts, etc) of memory.


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Yes, but the point is that the LC II will have the entire Macintosh software
base at its disposal, and plug & play compatibility with monitors, printers,
scanners, external hard drives, etc.  For that price, plus the stability of
System 7.1 (soon to be released), and the dirt cheap prices of SIMMs (not to
mention virtual memory), I think that the LCII has a lot going for it, as does
its parent company with its reputation for quality and customer support.  
Certainly more than the Atari Falcon, whose status is currently semi-vaporware
and whose parent company's reputation borders on comic.

								-Dave
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