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From: The Electric Knight <harper!rmartine@uunet.uu.net>
Subject: Reminder of Brent's Death.
Reply-To: harper!rmartine@uunet.uu.net
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:24:19 GMT

I wish to thank the person who took his time to remember and remind us of the
loss of Brent Mydland.  Brent's death was a shock.  What can I say but....
We Miss You Brent!

His death kinda takes a significance in my life.  My first show....was his last.
Although, I'd been introduced to the dead a few years before, and had liked
their music, I'd never gone to see them (I was outside of Rosemont when the
boys played there though)   Anyway....Thanks again.

Peace and Love,

Rick - EK

P.S.  Are there any Rainbows out there?  Please email me!
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From: Ann Groeninger <ag@esv.bgsm.wfu.edu>
Subject: explanation of the First and LAST visit to a Grateful Dead Concert
Reply-To: ag@esv.bgsm.wfu.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:13:00 GMT


this is to who ever posted the First and Last visit to a Grateful Dead Concert:

i think that you should at least include an explanation of that piece before
we get involved in a flame-war that already took place years ago.

OR

you could at least post the counter piece about the hippie at the convention
center, so that everyone could get a really good laugh.

just my opinion,
annie

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From: nate@anasazi.com (Nate Holtz)
Subject: Attn: Jean Richter
Followup-To: rec.music.gdead
Keywords: sorry, mail still bounces
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:52:13 GMT

Hi Jean,
Got your message...My mail to you still bounces.  Anytime is fine with me,
I was just a little worried when I lost contact.

Thanks for the tapes...
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From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: So, who is Tipper?
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:05:49 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland


Who is Tipper Gore?
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From: Jeff Althoff <jeff@dirac.physics.sunysb.edu>
Subject: Re: Synchronicity
Reply-To: jeff@dirac.physics.sunysb.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:08:21 GMT

Sorry, I think I just spazzed on my mailer and sent off a chunk of
an old digest at the end of a post. 

Embarassed, Jeff A.
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From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Day jobs
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:42:49 GMT
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA

In article <15bs4lINNn8j@agate.berkeley.edu> richter@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Jean Richter) writes:
>In article <1992Jul31.052206.4542@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Frederick.A.Ringwald@dartmouth.edu (Frederick A. Ringwald) writes:
>>When did the band quit their day jobs?
>
>Nah, it's more like "when did the band *have* day jobs?"
>Bear became their sugar daddy pretty early on.
So did they ever have real "Day Jobs", I'd guess NOT but could be
wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>V<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 
>TODD|-ODD-|:-)                   |         Nothing Left To Do But  <
>brown@sunspot.sunspot.noao.edu  /|\             :-) :-) :-)        <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>V<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
From: eroth@Apple.COM (Rico)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: My problem with Tipper...
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:00:26 GMT
Organization: Yet Another California Computer Co., Inc.


...was nicely summarized by the following blurb, cut from the
end of a long article which appeared in alt.activism,
talk.politics.misc, alt.politics.elections, alt.news-media,
and, misc.headlines:
--
QUAYLE'S TRIUMPH: In a sign of how much Dan Quayle's recent
speeches have influenced the "media elite," most commentators
noted that Al Gore's wife Tipper's crusade against rock lyrics
signified a respect for "family values."  Family values,
apparently, has come to mean blaming family problems on
entertainers, and hoping that the government can protect
children from these entertainers where parents have failed.
   
CAMPAIGN "COUNTERSPIN" #9 by FAIR (Fairness & Accuracy in
Reporting)

--
OZappaContent:  It can happen here.
ODC:            See youse in Oreegun.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay)
Subject: Re: Do they all sell out
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:52:01 GMT

Yes a real silverlining to all of this is that Concerts and the scene could be
less crowded and less officiated by overbearing law enforcement agencies.


SBA@cornellc.cit.cornell.edu writes:

>Catfish's reply:

>|John Greene replies to Philip White...

>|>>There may have been other, more recent Dead shows that did not
>|>>sell out.... I just dunno.

>|>L.A. Colesium (6/1/91) ..... there were TONS of empty seats.

>|6/9/92 - Richfield.  There were more people *with* extras than ticketless
>|        (well, at least what I observed:-}).

>|7/1/92 - Buckeye Lake.  Tickets were being sold at the box office all
>|        throughout the day of the show.

>That's a good sign :)

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Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: charles@phx.mcd.mot.com (Charles Wolff)
Subject: WBYGN source material?
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 17:53:32 GMT

	Thumbing through an old Methodist hymnal last night, I came
	across a song called "The Christian's 'Good Night'".  Here's
	the first verse; sound familiar to anybody?

		Sleep on, beloved, sleep, and take thy rest
		Lay down thy head upon thy Savior's breast;
		We love thee well, but Jesus loves thee best-
		Goodnight!  Goodnight!  Goodnight!

	There are seven verses in all - they are NOT the lines that
	Jerry sings in WBYGN; in fact they make it pretty clear that
	this is a hymn to be sung at a funeral:

	     2.	Calm is thy slumber as an infant's sleep;
		But thou shalt wake no more to toil and weep:
		Thine is a perfect rest, secure and deep.
		Goodnight!  Goodnight!  Goodnight!

	And so on... the tune is also very similar to the one the Dead
	sing, similar enough that my guess is that WBYGN evolved from
	this song by way of various folk singers... "aural tradition"
	as it were.  Original lyrics by Sarah Doudney, music by Ira D.
	Sankey (quite a well known hymn writer).  Copyright 1912, Hope
	Publishing Co.  No mention of having beeen adapted from a folk
	tune or anything.

	I've sent a xerox of the whole hymn, with music, to the DeadBase
	folks.  Any other musicologists who are interested in copies of
	the music, send me a SASE & a note that you want the hymn music,
	and I'll send a copy.

Charles Wolff
3453 E. Rockledge Rd.
Phoenix AZ 85044
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Jeff Burchell <Jeff.Burchell@f349.n109.z1.fidonet.org>
Subject: Tapes stolen...
Reply-To: Jeff.Burchell@f349.n109.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:13:12 GMT

1.
 About 3 months ago, ALL of my dead bootlegs were stolen from the bcak of my car
(150+ shows) as well as a nitrous tank and a pair of jeans (go figure) Now I'm
in a bind. I've got no shows to trade, and I need to build the collection back
from scratch.  HELP ME!

If you have any shows that you would like to give me, I will send tapes and pay
for postage.  I especially want all RFK (washington DC) and Capital Centre
(landover,MD) shows from the last 5 years, as these are all I've gotten to see.

Please help  a head in trouble.

2.
 Earlier, someone asked about how to stay on the net after they entered the real
world.  It's not as hard as it might appear.  You have a few options. You can
either find a public access UNIX, which are few and far between, or you can find
a place that offers INternet EMAIL (Many fidonet sites do this, including the
one that I am posting from now)

You an get a digest version of r.m.gd and it is just as good.

Best of luck.


Peace
-Jeff
From: Frederick.A.Ringwald@dartmouth.edu (Frederick A. Ringwald)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: MAJOR FLAME
Date: 25 Jul 92 00:26:21 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <z4hm-ng.andyrose@netcom.com>
andyrose@netcom.com (San Francisco Fractal Factory) writes:

> Some
> of our best presidents were men.

Yeah, but look at history: it's difficult to get a good president!
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: "David M. Geoghegan" <imagesys!dmg@uu.psi.com>
Subject: Theriman
Reply-To: imagesys!dmg@uu.psi.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:50:07 GMT


	hi,

	Anybody out there know where one can get plans to build a theriman(sp?). Its the thing Jimmy Page uses where you get closer to it and the pitch changes. I have heard that they were in an old issue of Popular (Mech,Electr,Scienc???). Anybody have any idea
 on this??

ODC: Wouldn't it be cool if the Dead used one of these or had a big one so that the movements of the whole audience could somehow be mixed into the sound

			Respond in person to 
				dmg@imagesys.com
From: mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Train Lyrics
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:29:09 GMT
Reply-To: mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

Here's a few more:

Gotta go to Tulsa, first train we can ride
   (Jack Straw)
Great Northern Special...long train runnin' from coast to coast, bringin' on
 a party when we need it the most.
   (Might As Well)
Gotta get the workers out the way of that train
   (Let It Rock, Chuck Berry cover from "Compliments")
Don't say I didn't warn you, when your train gets lost
   (It takes a Train to Laugh -- Dylan cover)
Busted flat in Baton Rouge and waitin' for a train
   (Me & Bobbie McGee -- Kris Kristoferson cover)
Stop that Train, I'm Leavin'
   (Peter Tosh cover - Jerry Band)
Then I wouldn't be here tryin' to sing these Railroad Blues
   (?? cover)
Listen to the whistle of the evening train
   (I knew there was a train somewhere in Tennesee Jed, but it took me
    20 minutes of background processing to get that chorus out of my head
    and grab onto that opening verse)
Yes, I'll be waiting in that station when that train rolls on by...
   (Beat it on Down the Line)
New Potatoe Caboose
   (Dan Quayle cover :-) )

Disclaimer: Actual lyrics may differ, due to cerebral deterioration and lack
   of available reference material.  Not responsible.  Park it and lock it.

Matt
That train don't run here anymore, not like it used to run before -- RH
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay)
Subject: Re: Tipper Update
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:23:43 GMT

glambert@pyramid.com (George Lambert) writes:
>Well, in fairness to Tipper, she has renounced her effort, saying that it 
>wasn't such a good idea.  Forgive and forget.  Quayle, on the other hand, is
>still after Murphy Brown and the tragedy of "unwed babies".  Yes, that's
>right..."unwed babies"...a burning social issue in the purview of American
>family values.  You decide. 
>>
And what would ol' Danny Boy say about a kid 9-12 years old becoming pregnant
then marrying a guy even though he's not the father????  He'd probably
get all bent out about "Family Values".  

Oh, by the way the pregnant 9 -12 year old I'm talking about is the Virgin Mary.
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:07:18 EDT
From: <RMG3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: PMRC & Tipper
 <1992Jul21.191036.13973@linus.mitre.org>
 <1992Jul21.171000.1@skcla.monsanto.com>

In article <1992Jul21.171000.1@skcla.monsanto.com>, jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
says:

>My question is, why are music and film considered more 'dangerous' to our
>youth
>than books?  Just about any public library will permit young teens up to the
>'adult' section of the library, filled with Anais Nin, Piers Anthony, Life
>Magazine, you name it, it may have sex, violence, racism, etc.

>You don't see 'rating labels' on books.

  But you do see people try to ban books and book subjects outright,
more so than with records and movies.  (Typically people who haven't
read the book and don't know what they're talking about as well.)
On the whole, I've seen and heard of far fewer attempts at
restricting the flow of movies and records than books.  That still
strikes me as odd, considering that the books are read by fewer
people than watch the movies or play the records.  (How many
radio stations read books to you?)


ODC:  Victoria (currently running a tape tree) has been introducing
me to the Dead, including the RFK 6/20/92 concert.  With luck,
we'll be back for the Cap Center concert this fall.

Enjoy,
Bob Grumbine
From: caleb@cbmtoruucp (Caleb J. Howard)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Drums, Space, & Bathroom Songs. (was Re: corinna).
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:48:55 GMT
Organization: Commodore Business Machines (CANADA)


  Hey now!

Just thought I'd add my meaninglessness to the general meaninglessness.

Drumz->Space has always been the time for me when the show turns from wonderous
to spiritual.  When I started going to shows, I was generally so dosed that the
whole show was pretty homogeneously psychedelic.  More recently, I find that
the show leads me gradually to drop the preconceptions of self and time/space.
As Drumz fades into Space, I find myself also fading into Space (no acid
involved).  My eyes close, and the music leads my visualization and emotional
state through the Space that the band defines for me.  Communication at the
spiritual level.  I also use the Grateful Dead to meditate, and Space is always
the High point.

On a tangent, While the crowd sounds are part of the music for me, I personally
prefer that they don't outweigh the music.  But after all, everybody IS playing
in the heart of gold band.

"Smiles, everyone, Smiles!"
(Mr. Rork)

-caleb

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Date: Friday, 31 Jul 1992 01:03:42 EDT
From: <3423YKN@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Lyrics to "Ripple" needed

I've been asked to sing the song Ripple at a memorial service on Saturday
8/1.  I think I have them all correct but if someone has a printed copy of the
lyrics, I would appreciate receiving them... QUICK!

Thanks much.

Dan B.
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From: mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: East Coast
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:51:11 GMT
Reply-To: mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

eagle sez:
>Anyway, this drunk
>woman from New York City kept telling me these wild eyed stories
>while she poked, prodded, punched and scratched me with her
>fingernails for accentuation.  I finally got fed up and told her
>she ought to learn to touch the world gently.

Oh no! You missed it! These are New York pickup moves.  She was hot
for your bod, eagle!  This is cheap NY sex. You passed up a real-life
"Hell-in-a-Bucket" night. :-) Just kidding :-) 

Matt
Pal, get to know her, you'll like her...
With your chair and your whip and your
pokes, prods, punches, and scratches.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Phydeaux <reb@ingres.com>
Subject: Jukebox man at FIshermans Wharf in SF
Reply-To: reb@ingres.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:06:40 GMT

In response to Stephanie Kearns' question, I saw the  Jukebox man some
time last year, so I guess he is still around.

reb
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: Be aware, Be awake / aff. actn.
Followup-To: alt.discrimination
Organization: NY home for wayward dats
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:23:50 GMT

In article <czlmk3k.andyrose@netcom.com> andyrose@netcom.com
(San Francisco Fractal Factory) writes:

>It has never been the American way to hand you anything on a platter. Perhaps
>this was your father's way, but it is not the American way.  The American
>way is to pick your self up by the bootstraps and keep your eye on the
>pie in the sky and make better for your kids than yourself.

Except for certain groups?

>There is an awful lot for forgiveness and reparations due between the colored
>cultures and whites and even if highly educated, priviliged, white kids
>don't get jobs, that gives them a little more time to think about all the
>bullshit they and their 12 generations preceding put the poor folk 
>through.  

How about the people whose grandparents weren't even born in this
country, but who are getting discriminated against because somebody
else's great-great-grandparents discriminated against another somebody
else's great-great-grandparents, and the first somebody else happens
to bear an unimportant physical resemblance ("race") to the person
being discriminated against?

Followups to a more appropriate newsgroup.

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: kmc@admiral.uucp (Kevin McCormick)
Subject: Re: Do all dead shows sell out?
Reply-To: kmc@admiral.uucp (Kevin McCormick)
Organization: The Grid/Waffle BBS, 203-661-2873, -1279, -0450, -2967
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:22:07 GMT

> In article <1992Jul28.195448.20763@asuvax.eas.asu.edu>, ra@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
> tarcap'n Ra) writes:
> >
> >     At the Friday Vegas show last May you
> >literally could not give away a ticket.

As an interesting note, I sold  Friday Vegas Ticket for $10 and
a cold bottle of Evian

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Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: ADJS000 <ADJS@nmumus.bitnet>
Subject: TRAIN LYRICS
Reply-To: ADJS@nmumus.bitnet
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:33:22 GMT

Gosh, I've been on a bit of a break... hope I'm not too late!

"There was a train that took me away from here, but a train can lead
me home"  (Tom Waits, "Train Song")
"Heard a train callin' through the middle of the night, heard the
whistle and the mercy of its wheels..." (John Gorka, "Mercy of the
Wheels")
That's all folks.
Jim
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Steve -- The Other One <sjeck@isi.com>
Subject: Re:   In defense of the Gores
Reply-To: sjeck@isi.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:39:15 GMT

|As far as free speech goes: We all agree it is not an *absolute* right.

It is an "absolute" right in that it is the law of the land.  try
reading the US Constitution and it's Amendments.

|You cannot yell anti-semitic slurs in a synagogue and I don't think that
|you should be able to advocate violence against women (2 Live Crew). 

I can to yell anything I want anywhere I want.  They have the right
to refuse me admittance since it is private property.  But they can
not stifle my free speech rights.

|I'm
|exercising my "right" to free speech and saying that that's got to go.

you can say anything you want.  you try to implement your ideas and
you'd find stiff resistence.  I, for one, would exercise my rights to
tell you that i disagree and you have no Constitutional basis for
your statements.  and if you physically try to restrain me, I would
exercise my Second Amendment rights.

|From whence come "rights"? A piece of paper written by aristocrats of the
|eighteenth century? That piece of paper says they come from God. Well, I
|haven't heard from Her/Him lately, so I think that my rights better come
|from somewhere else. Rights come from us. I have the right to do something
|because I do it. A right is earned, not given. If you abuse it, it can
|be revoked.

Man, I don't even know where to start kicking your ass first with 
this piece of garbage!  We, the people, have abided by these documents
for over 200 years -- that's the "us" you refer to.  

Maybe you should start listening to God instead of your own self-centered
ego.  

Under your system, I have the right to come into your house with my
.44 magnum, take what tapes I want, fuck your ol' lady while you watch
and then blow your miniscule brains out.  Think about it.  Before your
rights are revoked.

Steve

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: jackr@thorodin.dazixco.ingr.com (Jack Reed)
Subject: Re: Some random questions....
Reply-To: jackr@thorodin.dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Dazix
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:52:28 GMT

In article <111036@muvms3.bitnet>, rcbi105@muvms3.bitnet (Matt Leary) writes:
> In article <3293@unisql.UUCP>, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
> > In article <1992Jul21.172344.24008@nic.umass.edu> s3583045@titan.ucc.umass.edu (John Greene) writes:
> >>>2)  Why did Donna Godshaux leave the band??
> >>They kicked her out because she couldn't sing (basically)
> > 
> > 	Oh, horseshit.
> 
> I have to say this but I agree that they kick her out because she couldn't
> Sing.  All that moaning that I hear on the tapes with her on it, I just want
> kick my tape player.  Not true of course but it would not suprise me a bit.
> 
> Matt
> 

I have to agree with Matt on this, but with a twist. 

I never felt that she couldn't sing, just that she shouldn't have tried to
outdo Bobby. I can remember shows at Red Rocks that I thought sucked just
because Donna and Bobby were locked into this shouting match. Somewhere along 
the line someone (probably Keith) told Donna that she had the better voice 
and there was no reason to harmonize with Bobby, just top him.

I can't tell you how glad I was when they left the band. They were a good idea
that just never worked out.

Jack