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From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: RIKER, KIRK'S SON
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:28:30 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Dec13.180556.11627@umbc3.umbc.edu> cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144) writes:
]> A friend of my has the following hypothesis...
]>
]> Hypothesis:
]>
]>    William T. Riker is Kirk's Son
]>
]> Evidence:
]>    1. Picard's tactics are lame whereas Riker always tries to cheat.
]>    2. They emphasize his middle initial is T but never tell you what it
]>       is.
]>    3. The show is called the "next generation" (and you know Gene
]>       loves that sort of deep stuff)
]>    4. We know tonnes of stuff about the family of every character
]>       except Riker.
]>    5. His mannerisms are like Kirk's.
]>
]> Comments?
]
]Just that your *friend* is obviously wrong since they have already established
]the identity of Riker's father.

What about Grandfather? :)

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#^%$!! Militarist          |  going to the stars." Robert A. Heinlein
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Posted-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 00:01:10 -0600
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 00:01:10 -0600
From: Otto Heuer #3 <ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: TREK RATE ballot
From: mlbm@lanl.gov (Mark Martinez)
Subject: Re: Clinton and Trek
Reply-To: mlbm@lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Lab
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:18:09 GMT

A slight tug and readjustment of this thread follows:

If this has been mentioned before I apologize for bringing it up again, but did  
anyone else catch the syndicated political cartoon which appeared in newspapers  
shortly after the presidential election? The cartoonist (someone named Horsey  
from the Seattle Post-Intelligence) drew the Clintons and Gores (Mr & Ms) in  
TNG uniforms along with a donkey wearing a visor. The caption was "Stars and  
Stripes: The Next Generation" in a Trek-like font. I thought it was amusing.  
Look for it if you get the time.

Mark Martinez
mlbm@lanl.gov
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From: mcclaine@hardy.u.washington.edu (Robert Casey)
Subject: Re: Why not always warp 9?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:06:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.205226.25932@newstand.syr.edu> pksuk@mothra.syr.EDU (Peter K. Suk) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.171525.188@janus.arc.ab.ca> 
>morgan@arc.ab.ca (Sean Morgan) writes
>
>>In article <rslarsen.36.723594005@SSIL> rslarsen@SSIL (Ron Larsen) writes:
>>>In article <0503.12.92@bytos.toppoint.de> awin@bytos.toppoint.de (Achim Held)
>>writes:
>>>>A few days ago a friend asked me what risks are in flying at warp 9,
>>>>and if there aren't any, why the Enterprise doesn't always fly
>>>>at warp 9 or 9.9.
>>>
>>>For the same reason that you drive constantly with the pedal to the metal --
>>>i.e., it is horrible on energy consumption;  it is far more difficult to
>>>control the course of the vehicle;  accidents are far less forgiving than
>>>at slower speeds;
>>
>>Right.  I would much rather hit something at warp two than at warp nine.
>>The resulting explosion would only take out a couple of solar systems rather
>>than the whole galactic arm.
>
>The Enterprise uses a navigational deflector to push objects out of its way
>as it barrels through space.  For larger objects, the deflector actually
>aims a beam straight at the target.  Obviously, this system has a very
>large MTBF, but that's no reason to press one's luck is it?
>

	This is a good question.  Basically, as with most engines and generators
running at high speeds for long periods of time causes wear and tear to occur
much more quickly and tends to cause destructive overheating after a period
of time.  Ship stress is another factor.  Also, it has been shown in the 
Tech Manual that higher warp speeds lead to greater inefficiencies in terms
of power consumption.  Of course, some of the above descriptons given are
good reasons as well.


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From: brownd@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (David H Brown)
Subject: Re: menagerie question
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Distribution: rec
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:42:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.3244.5344@dosgate> "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com> writes:
>Was the Commodore in "The Menagerie", that 2 parter TOS episode Senator
>Pardek from TNG's "Unification"?  Looked a lot like him...  And sounded
>like him.
>
Good eye/ear. The actor in both is Malachi Throne. Commodore Jose' (accent
going up on the 'e') Mendez is the character's name in The Menagerie.

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From: evans@ece.arizona.edu (Glen Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: ftp site
Date: 21 Dec 92 05:52:58 GMT
Reply-To: evans@ece.arizona.edu (Glen Evans)
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering


Does anyone know of an ftp site?
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:40:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Actors/Actresses in both TOS and TNG
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc

>>Majel Barrett-Roddenberry   unknown            TOS: Star Trek (66-69)
>>                     Lwaxana Troi             TNG: multiple episodes

>"Nurse Christine Chapel" in TOS.
>Of course, her voice is Ship's computer voice, but this is same role. :-)

Don't forget she was also Number 1 on the TOS pilot.
From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Clinton and Trek
Date: 15 Dec 92 03:06:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec14.220650.18491
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Dec14.215323.19802@muddcs.claremont.edu> tbrowne@jarthur.claremont.edu (T. Erik Browne) writes:
>In article <168BC14F38.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>>In article <rsvanc00.724300770@mik.uky.edu>
>>rsvanc00@nx36.mik.uky.edu (Randolph S. Vance) writes:
>> 
>>>
>>>Who says the Eugenics war HAS to happen? Our future has yet to be
>>>written, so it is up to us, and Clinton to make sure it is a good
>>>one. HYPOTHETICALLY, had Clinton NOT been re-elected, it is theoretically
>>>possible that the Eugenics wars might have occured, because of the
>>>Republican's progression of the establishment over that of the individual.
>>>
>>>Someone like Reagan, or Nixon or Bush, or *gasp* Quayle, might want
>>>to create a nation of perfect specimens, the scientists work to create
>>>that superior race, they overthrow, the world go boom.....you know the rest.
>>>
>>>Then again, it MIGHT HAVE BEEN CLINTON that launched the world into
>>>the horror of the Eugenics Wars. Clinton and Gore DID SAY they were
>>>putting people first. ;)
>>>
>>>Whatever humanity's outcome, it doesn't have to happen that way. RIGHT NOW,
>>>we can change the future! :)
>>>
>>   Well, you've created a divergent time-path....
>>          (apologies to Gregory Benford)
>
>Come on, Trek history diverged from our own in the late 60's when the events
>portrayed in the Gary 7 episode failed to happen.  As far as I know, no
>country ever launched an orbital nuclear platform, which was the premise for
>the episode.  So though it is fun to speculate on future history, you can go
>back quite a ways to come up with the divergent stuff.

Well, as a matter of fact we *did* sign an atmospheric test ban treaty in
the 60's...the question is, is that what "Assignment Earth" was 
referring to?  I tend to think so.  The premise wasn't an "orbital
nuclear platform," as I recall, but a simple test of a nuclear device.
I don't know if such a test accident ever took place...probably not,
although we could say it did take place and is still classified.  I kinda
think it provides a neat explanation for the test ban treaty.  I think 
the episode also referred to "an important assassination occurring today."
I can think of four possibilities: JFK, RFK, MLK, or Malcolm X (Nehru
wasn't assassinated, was he?  Probably I'm thinking of someone else 
as #5.)  Did any rocket launchings coincide with these events?
Chris
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: mwklin00@nx40.mik.uky.edu (michael w kline)
Subject: Re: Query: Borg Action Figure
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:10:16 GMT

In article <mbecke69.723915132@ursa> mbecke69@ursa.calvin.edu (Mark  
Becker) writes:


> I think I remember someone talking about the Borg action figure from  
the
> new toy line saying it was particularly rare and valuable.  Well, I  
just
> picked one up from Toys "R" Us yesterday, and I was wondering if  
anyone
> could tell me more.  'Cause if it is rare, then I won't open it up :)



 well,  I cant be that rare and valuabe.  I worked at toys 'R' Us and we  
had a million of them........
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From: noel@umbc2.umbc.edu
Subject: A Silly Top 10 List
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:41:00 GMT

	Last week I did the top 10 rejected Hallmark Trek ornaments.  If they 
were to make a U.S.S. Enterprise-D, what would the Hiliday greetings be?  
Certainly not any of these.  From the home office in Arbutus Maryland, we 
bring you:

TOP 10 REJECTED HOLDAY MESSAGES FOR THE U.S.S. ENTERPRISE-D

10.  Geordi's voice:  "If we can superheat the reaction chamber, redirect the 
     matter stream at a .003 phase offset, then inject the cool antimatter at
     at -.003 offset, we just might be able to have a Merry Christmas"

9.  Riker's Voice:  "Merrrry Christmas!" In that same inclection he uses when
    he says "Rrrrrrred Alert!"

8.  "Shut up Wesley!"

7.  Dr Crusher:  "Oooh, we're under the mistletoe Jean-Luc"

6.  Data:  "I beleive the correct salutation is, 'Happy Holidays' sir"

5.  Troi:  "I sense Chocolate Santas"

4.  Worf:  "I protest, I do NOT want to have a Happy Holidays!"

3.  Computer voice:  "Please speicify parameters for Happy Holidays"

2.  Data "Spot, that is not an appropriate use of a Chirstmas tree"

1.  "You actually opened up this package?   There goes its value"
Posted-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 00:02:46 -0600
Received-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 00:01:46 CST
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 00:02:46 -0600
From: Otto Heuer #3 <ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: FAQL: LIST OF PERIODIC POSTINGS TO r.a.s.* NEWSGROUPS
From: max@west.darkside.com (Erik Max Francis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: KZINTI (Inclusionary Data for the Star Trek Universe)
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:19:08 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM

stoodt@cis.umassd.edu (Michael Stoodt) writes:

> "Ring World Trilogy": It's one word, Ringworld, and there are only two
> books, _Ringworld_ and _The Ringworld Engineers_.  We really do need a
> third book (or more), but as far as I know LN hasn't ever hinted that
> it would happen...

Why do we need a third book?  I'd say the situation is fairly well 
wrapped up.  Any more books would be cashing in on a (now old) trend and 
probably wouldn't be worth the paper they're written on.

Then again, Niven made it plainly clear after the publication of 
_Ringworld_ that there would be no sequel.  But that was before his fans 
pointed out how the Ringworld was unstable, and several other flaws in 
the original plan.  One of Niven's motivations for writing _The Ringworld 
Engineers_ was to correct his mistakes and even have a plot going around 
the reason of why the attitude jets weren't spotted on the First 
Expedition . . .
> >... I did not read any of the recent
> >MAN-KZIN war books that have been published (I think) by another author, so 
> >am not familiar with the outcome of that new pocketbook series.
> 
> Several authors, actually; it's become a "shared universe"-type series.
> 
> -- 
> Michael A Stoodt  [MaS]      |        mumble mumble disclaimer mumble...
> stoodt@cis.umassd.edu        | "Will the last person to leave the planet
> Comp&InfoSci, UMassDartmouth |  please turn off the sun?" - Mike Resnick



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From: jimbo@rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Jim Winters)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: "Visit to a Weird Planet"
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:44:18
Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division
Distribution: rec
	<1992Dec18.161211.20887@sbcs.sunysb.edu>
	<18DEC199211113973@iago.caltech.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com
In-reply-to: irwin@iago.caltech.edu's message of 18 Dec 1992 11:11 PDT

>Marshak and Culbreath have got to be the absolute worse authors
>of any Star Trek novel.

Irwin> Hey, you want to flame their novels, go ahead...but the New
Irwin> Voyages collections were anthologies with different authors,
Irwin> that were edited by Marshak and Culbreath.

Agreed.  Their novels are pond scum, but the two New Voyages books are
quite nice.

Anyway, what about the original question?  If nobody answers in a few
days, I'll try to scrape some stuff together from the net, but I don't
have a copy myself and cannot vouch for the accuracy.  But I'd LIKE to
have a copy.  :-)

--

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From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Buy this, or I'll kill you.
X-To: DAVE KNOTT
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:14:00 GMT

KNOTT@SFU.CA writes...
DK> partners. Or, for that matter, one could conceive of such things as a
DK> half-Klingon, half Ferengi character ("If you don't take my offer of 9000
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
DK> credits for the dilithium, I'll rip your spleen out and feed it to you!").
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

That has to be the funniest thing that I've read on r.a.s.m for a while!

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From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Subject: Re: Universal translaters-
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:04:28 GMT

I don't remember if any ST:TNG novels mention this, but since ST:TOS novels
mention it it must certainly hold true for an even more advanced version of
the universal translator...

Anyway since it obviously cannot read minds being a machine, it can still
read brain waves. If about 3 people from the same race, speak the same
language for a few hours the universal translator will gain tons of
gramatical rules and idioms it can use to translate from one language to the
other.

When the Enterprise meets a race, expecially a non-human looking (humanoid
but definately not human or even close) for the first time and they know
english that is wierd...The translator cannot translate a language that quick
without even hearing a few words of the alien tounge to determine if it is
a language that the computer might even know.

Why do they always (well 95+% of the time) exaplain these things in novels,
but the episodes always seem to forget to explain it?

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From: tbrowne@jarthur.claremont.edu (T. Erik Browne)
Subject: Re: Clinton and Trek
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:53:23 GMT

In article <168BC14F38.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>In article <rsvanc00.724300770@mik.uky.edu>
>rsvanc00@nx36.mik.uky.edu (Randolph S. Vance) writes:
> 
>>
>>Who says the Eugenics war HAS to happen? Our future has yet to be
>>written, so it is up to us, and Clinton to make sure it is a good
>>one. HYPOTHETICALLY, had Clinton NOT been re-elected, it is theoretically
>>possible that the Eugenics wars might have occured, because of the
>>Republican's progression of the establishment over that of the individual.
>>
>>Someone like Reagan, or Nixon or Bush, or *gasp* Quayle, might want
>>to create a nation of perfect specimens, the scientists work to create
>>that superior race, they overthrow, the world go boom.....you know the rest.
>>
>>Then again, it MIGHT HAVE BEEN CLINTON that launched the world into
>>the horror of the Eugenics Wars. Clinton and Gore DID SAY they were
>>putting people first. ;)
>>
>>But, to quote another person familiar with the effects of time travel,
>>
>>"Your future is whatever you make it, so make it a good one!"
>>
>>	-Doctor Emmett L. Browm
>>
>>Whatever humanity's outcome, it doesn't have to happen that way. RIGHT NOW,
>>we can change the future! :)
>>
>   Well, you've created a divergent time-path....
>          (apologies to Gregory Benford)

Come on, Trek history diverged from our own in the late 60's when the events
portrayed in the Gary 7 episode failed to happen.  As far as I know, no
country ever launched an orbital nuclear platform, which was the premise for
the episode.  So though it is fun to speculate on future history, you can go
back quite a ways to come up with the divergent stuff.

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From: anewton@bbx.basis.com (Allen J. Newton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Sex, the Final Frontier?
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:47:04 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In Article 12999 twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes: 

>RE  +>Maybe 'Lost in Space' wasn't better after all.
>>Ted "None dare call me Terry" Frank writes:
>>  +Yes it was!  After all, Martin Landau and Barbara Bain were married in
>>  +real life, and often engaged in threesomes with Victor Morse.
>Is it just me or does Victor Morse bear a disturbing resemblance to
>Patrick Stewart?
>Terry "They all look alike to me" Chan 

    Okay, I usually overlook things like this, but:

    1)  Martin Landau, Barbara Bain and BARRY Morse did not star on "Lost
	in Space", it was Space:1999
    2)  BARRY Morse played the part of Prof Victor Bergman (the other two
	actors referenced played Cmdr John Koenig and Dr Helena Russell)
    3)  No, I don't think they look a thing alike, and
    4)  "threesomes"?  Yeah, right!  Get a life!

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From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: DS9 Times for WLVI CH 56
Date: 10 Dec 92 20:29:33 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu


The 2hr premier is scheduled for Jan 8 at 8pm with a repeat on Sunday
the 10th also at 8pm. Sunday at 8 will be it's normal timeslot with
the regular season starting the 17th.  Encores of Sunday's episodes
will be seen Friday's at midnight.

Lots o'Trek to watch in January!


-- 
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kuchar@buast7.bu.edu		  -or-                      kuchar@plh.af.mil
Department of Astronomy                              Phillips Laboratory/GPOB
Boston Univerity		                                  Hanscom AFB
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: Other Shows or Movies
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:44:29 GMT

mazzolav@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Schlomo) writes:

>	I was wondering if there are any other movies that the cast of TNG has done.  Trivia Question:  What movie was Patrick Stewart in before doing TNG?

Hmmm, I wouldn't be suprised it there were MANY that he'd been in. But right
off and I know he was in Dune.

			CtB
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From: gkatz@csws20.ic.sunysb.edu (Gerald W Katz)
Subject: Re: "Visit to a Weird Planet"
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:12:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.090524.16578@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> njzy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (T. Joseph Lazio, Cornell University) writes:
>
> I was re-reading _Star Trek:  The New Voyages_ last night.  One
> of the stories is "Visit to a Weird Planet Revisited," in which 
> Shatner, Nimoy, and Kelly get beamed on board the Enterprise 
> and mistaken for Kirk, Spock, and McCoy (some type of 
> inter-dimensional gateway or something).  All in all, it's a 
> fairly humorous story.


AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Keep that book away!  HIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

Marshak and Culbreath have got to be the absolute worse authors
of any Star Trek novel.  Their idolization of Spock is only made worse
by their complete loathing for Kirk.

Sorry, T. Joseph Lazio, I'm not flaming you, I'm flaming the book.


Almost makes me wish book burning was a nice thing to do.

gkatz
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