HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Vulnerablity
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:41:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: unisql.3542
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Aug26.214737.16083@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> picl27@fsphy1.physics.fsu.edu writes:
> you still feel completely vulnerable (and you really are 

	It's this last part that really pushes my buttons.  You only
"really are" if it's true that most men are vile beasts who are just
sexual assaults looking for a place to happen.  (And if the places you
go really are in the middle of nowhere!  Most CO places I've been to have
been pretty public...)

	Try this:

	"It's no wonder that a white guy who finds himself surrounded by
by 5 black guys in the middle of nowhere feels vulnerable.  He really is."

	Yeah, well, of course, we are *all* vulnerable to some degree.
As far as I'm concerned that's reducing life to an absurdity.  If you
live in fear then all you really accomplish is the constriction of your
own personal reality.

	I've seen 2 incidents of interpersonal violence on nude beaches.
They both involved only male participants.  I still leave my stick at home.

							the wharf rat
From: tmd@austin.lockheed.com (Tom Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Breasts (hers : -)
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:43:12 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Austin Division, 6800 Burleson Rd, Austin, TX 78744

kbiesel@unislc.uucp (Karen Biesel) writes (re: bare chests),
> It [is] an equality issue.  I would be perfectly content to keep my shirt
> on, if men had to also.

That's how it is in states where we (as in Texas) have an Equal Rights
Amendment -- no place that allows men to go topfree can (legally) prevent
women from being topfree [actual court decision].

-- 
   Tom Davis                    Internet address: tmd@austin.lockheed.com
	"Imagine there's no countries; it isn't hard to do;
	 Nothing to kill or die for, and no religion, too."
   [Disclaimer: I speak for nobody but me - and sometimes not even that.]
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: sday@lacerta.unm.edu (Stephen F. Day   UNM CIRT)
Subject: Re: Nude Bicyclist - San Luis Obispo
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 20:55:04 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM
Reply-To: sday@ariel.unm.edu

In article <180vgmINNd37@network.ucsd.edu>, middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:
> 
> This morning I read an associated press article in the San Diego Union
> about a man who claims he was delibarately struck by a police car while
> riding a bike in the nude.  He is suing the city.  The mans name is Glenn
> Westergren (23 yrs old) and the incident occurred on March 20, 1991.  He
> was riding naked through downtown San Luis Obispo "to impress some girls"
> when it happened.

The story was in this morning's Daily Lobo (UNM's campus newspaper),
too.  Here's the article:

Associated Press

SAN LUIS OBISPO, CALIF --  A New Mexico man who claims he was
deliberately struck by a police car while riding a bike in the nude
has filed a claim against the city for injuries suffered in the
collision.

Glenn Westergren, 23, was hospitalized with road burnes to his back,
legs, and buttocks in the March 20, 1991, incident and is seeking
$100,000 from the city for compensatory costs and punitive damages.

Westergren, who now lives in Santa Fe, was riding naked through
downtown San Luis Obispo with three other friends when they were
confronted by police officer John Pfeifer, said Sam Westergren, the
victim's father and attorney.

"(Riding naked) was a ritual they were going through to impress some
girls, who were watching at one point," the elder Westergren said.

"It was a foolish, sophomoric type of event, but it didn't warrant
that kind of treatment from the police."

He said his son failed to stop when the police officer ordered him to
do so because he panicked when he heard the patrol car's engine
revving behind him.  He alleged his son was rammed by the patrol car
and dragged through the street.

Westergren said his son was not cited for the violation.

Cindy Clemmons, assistant city administrator, declined to comment
Monday on the claim.  Police Chief Jim Gardiner also would not discuss
the incident.  The city personnel office said Pfeifer stopped working
for the city 10 days after Westergren said he was struck.

-- 
    Stephen F. Day         (SFD7)  AT&TNET:      (505) 277-8499
    Systems Analyst/Programmer     BITNET/CREN:  SDAY@UNMB
    CIRT-APSYS                     INTERNET:     sday@ariel.UNM.EDU
    University of New Mexico       TECHNET:      UNMSDAY
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
#include <std.disclaimer.h>
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Anmar Caves)
Subject: Re: Vulnerability et cetera
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:08:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.185402.12586@gjetor.geac.com> cliffg@gjetor.geac.com (Cliff Goldstein) writes:
>In article <1992Aug29.190126.733@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>
>                      picl27@fsphy1.physics.fsu.edu writes:
>
>>What percentage of women do YOU think are raped by the time they
>>graduate college?  Last I heard it was approximately one in four.
>>that is a hell of a lot isn't it?
>
>   It is, if and ONLY if that figure happens to be accurate.  I would
>first ask you where you "heard" that figure.  Then, how was the survey
>conducted?  And so on.  I have no intention of arguing how many or
>what percentage with you.  I'M not an expert and besides this isn't

I would say, based on my experience, that the figure is reasonably
accurate. 

>rape per se.  I am talking about statements that should come under
>the realm of "fair comment".  In my opinion the words "rape is
>prevalent" do not.

It fits definition #3 in webster, widespread.  If a significant
percentage of the population has either been the victim, or the
victimizer then it could be considered prevalent.  I don't buy into
the thearoy that all men are rapists and all women are victims, but it
certainly is prevalent.

>
>   One last question.  I assume you haven't been raped either.  Do
>you think you understand or care about the problem any more than the
>next man?

Rape is merely one form of assault.  Most of us have been victimized to
one degree or another at some point in our lives.  Rape happens to be
one of the more severe forms.
You don't need to have been raped to sympathize with someone who has.
You may not be able to empathize to their extent, but you do have a
basis for understanding.  Furthermore,  just because someone is a
male, do *not* assume they have never been raped.  
Personal violence is widespread in our culture, and anyone who
believes it is not leads a very sheltered life.  This is not to say
that one must go out and experience it, just to point out that one
cannot write it off and then talk about it as if it weren't widespread
to a group of people who know different.

What this all has to do with rec.nude I don't know, so I'm directing
followups to soc.women.


-- 
Anmar Mirza   # Mayor of Dogspit, IN  #My Opinions! NotIU's! #Purveyor of
EMT-D         # Located somewhere in  # Legalize Explosives! #nontraditional
N9ISY (tech)  # the Outback of the    #I've got my own fusion#family values
Networks Tech.# Mirza Ranch.C'mon over#plant. Just ask me.   #Space For Rent
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Subject: Topic?  What topic?
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:45:52 GMT

In article <> ta66863@kaarne.cs.tut.fi (Ahlqvist Tero Kalevi) writes:
>                                I also wrote that there is some Murderer
>and some thief in all of us, but I didn't get ANY answers like: Tero, I'm

Perhaps 'cause it was so far off topic everyone ignored it???

Nah....couldn't be.  Off-topic is where rec.nude usually is!  :-)

ObNude: Is anyone interested in joining a small group of rec.nudists this
weekend at Lake Bronson (clothing-optional) Club near Everett, WA?  If
so, let me know by email, asap.  Lake Bronson is (I think) planning some
sort of celebration for the last weekend of the summer.

Bill.

-- 
Bill Arnett                            Internet: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca
From: falk@peregrine.Sun.COM (Ed Falk)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Other places to be nude.
Date: 31 Aug 1992 04:07:47 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: peregrine

In article <1992Aug29.011301.4046@news.Hawaii.Edu> jlong@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (John Long) writes:
>
>Ahhh... what if you get into an accident? ...
>
>Maybe I should have gotten out of the car and shouted "Look what you
>did!", and if I hadn't been naked, I would have. But I just smiled
>at him and said "excuse me..." (I was pretty pleased with the spinout...
>did it *just* right.) and drove back onto the highway.
>
>But I stopped and put my shorts back on, f'sure!

Look at the plus side: your shorts were still clean.


		-ed falk, sun microsystems
		 sun!falk, falk@sun.com
	"Towards the end, the smell of their air began to change"
From: buick@belay (Patrick D. Buick)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: COED WASHROOMS
Date: 30 Aug 92 00:30:07 GMT
Organization: Belay Enterprises Inc. Calgary, Alberta, Canada

In article <25AUG199209203834@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> scridd@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov writes:
>In article <9854@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM>, tjgerman@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Trevor German) writes...
>> 
>>	My SO and I recently visited a nudist resort. We had an excellent
>>	time. However, one or two things confused us both.
>> 
>>	1. If its ok to walk around nude, bathe nude, swim nude, eat nude
>>		etc, how come the washrooms are seperate.
>
>I suspect that this is true at many nudist resorts.  It was at the one that
>I visited.  I remember reading a discussion about this in the 1970 book
>_Nudist Society_.  The authors concluded that many nudists preferred
>separate restrooms.  Personally coed restrooms wouldn't bother me.  The
>only reasons that I can see for having separate restrooms in a nudist
>resort would be for newcomers who might not yet be comfortable with
>nudism, and for non-nudist employees of the resort.
>
>>	2. How come the staff, like bartenders wore clothes.
>
>The staff may be merely employees of the nudist resort and not
>necessarily nudists themselves.  Bartenders may be required to wear 
>clothes by liquor regulations.
>
>Jeff

Some military residences I have been in use coed lavatories...
the mutual-exclusion is supposedly supported by signs stating
"male occupied" or "female occupied".  Nowhere does it state
that these *are* exclusive, and while I was showering one morning,
a young lady decided they weren't.  Co-ed showers were now in
session.. It was a bit un-nerving since I wasn't expecting it, 
however I saw nothing wrong with it.. it became ultimately
convenient, since you didn't have to wait..

The 15 or so prudes waiting outside (all male) didn't see it the
same way.  (And they gave me what-for thinking I had entered *her*
domain... sheesh)

:-) :-)


-- 
==========================================================
Patrick D. Buick EMT, EET  | Internet: buick%belay@uunet.uu.net
Belay Enterprises Inc.     | Internet: buickp@cuug.ab.ca
Calgary, Alberta, Canada   | UUCP:...!calgary!pixel!belay!buick
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com (Michael Pizolato)
Subject: Re: An option to the s** word
Reply-To: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:42:53 GMT

In article <v+an5__@lynx.unm.edu> sday@hydra.unm.edu (Stephen F. Day   UNM CIRT)  
writes:
> I have to admit, due to the recent garbage that has been creeping into
> rec.nude that has _NOTHING_ to do with nudism or naturism... [rest deleted]

When will people on this list realize that they do not live in a vacuum?  If you  
support a behavior that most people don't do (let alone believe is OK), you are  
going to find many who agree with you, but you are also going to be  
misunderstood and criticized.  There are as many ways to interpret any behavior  
you support as there are people who hear of it.  Why must discussions only  
follow some kind of "politically correct" line?  If you can't defend against  
criticism, if you shout down misunderstandings, if you are not willing to allow  
for a diversity of opinion, and if you refuse to see the connections between  
what you want to do and the rest of the universe, then you are doomed to  
eventual failure.  It doesn't matter whether you support CO, libertarianism,  
fundamentalism, or anything else.

Here is just one example:  Even though sex properly has virtually nothing to do  
with CO activities, it is a simple fact that you are going to have those who  
link the two, and that you are also going to have those who believe that CO is  
wrong.  So what?  Defend your position!  Hiding behind some newsletter that has  
been scrubbed clean of all the "garbage" is not the answer.

I support CO activities.  I don't believe that public sex is wrong, but I don't  
advocate it because doing so will only set back the advances that have been made  
on behalf of other CO activities.  I'm not going to fill the newsgroup with what  
you call "garbage" unless I feel I can make a valuable contribution to a  
discussion.  I will defend my opinions, but I will respect yours, especially  
when I disagree.  You'll have to deal with that somehow.

Michael

General Disclaimer For The Overly Sensitive:  I use the term "you" in the  
general sense; I am not referring to anyone in particular.  I should not have to  
explain this.

--
Michael_Pizolato@afs.com                          Flames only help keep me warm.
~18 kyu
Q16
NeXTMail appreciated
From: Mark.Cornick@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mark Cornick)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Concerns of a New Nudist
Date: 26 Aug 92 02:10:05 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Aug24.200256.14156@ncsu.edu> cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG) writes:
>
>
>
>Hello. I must admit that I am not really a practicing nudist, but do enjoy 
>in the raw walking around my house--- so this is all kinda new to me.
>
>I don't know if I could ever get myself to be nude in public. Something
>just wouldn't be right--- and I know what it is. The US culture is so
>focused into sex, and the fact that I'm not yet twenty increases this
>awareness of sex, sex, sex. Unfortunately, I have always equated nudity
>with sex. I would be afraid that I might get out there and be humiliated.
>
>I mean this seriously. I might see someone near my age and feel inadequate.
>"Mine is not big enough, my body is not in as good as shape as these muscle
>guys." I know someone out there is laughing, but I really wonder about
>this.
>
>I can't be the only person who has thought about this--can I? 
>
No, you're not the only one. I started out exactly the same way. Ya just
gotta have faith in yourself. Your body may not be perfect, but no one's
is. Accepting your body is one of the main facets of nudism.

As for equating nudity with sex, that's pretty normal for someone who was
brought up in a society where people usually only see each other nude when
they have sex. It can be hard to convince yourself that sex and nudity
aren't related. The best way to do so is just to try nudism and see how
non-sexual it tends to be. Give it a shot.

(By the way, I'm twenty myself, but that doesn't really matter. Just use
some maturity. You've shown some maturity by being brave enough to post
your insecurities. Best of luck.)

--mark


--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: COED WASHROOMS
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:50:42 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

In article <> tjgerman@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Trevor German) writes:
>	1. If its ok to walk around nude, bathe nude, swim nude, eat nude
>		etc, how come the washrooms are seperate.

If by washrooms you are referring to toilets and sinks I don't know why
they are separate.  I stayed on a coed floor of a dorm that was built
as non-coed and therefore only had one washroom.  Even though it was
non-nude having men and women share facilities didn't seem to be a
problem.  At the Western Naturist Gathering at Laguna del Sol the toilets
were separate but the showers were coed.  Sinks were in both rooms.  It
was interesting and very comfortable that men and women were all there
together brushing their hair and teeth and doing their morning cleanup.

>	2. How come the staff, like bartenders wore clothes.

Bartenders may be required to wear clothes.  Staff may or may not be
nudists.  With regards to cooking, a friend of mine has an apron that
says "never fry bacon naked".

-- 
Thomas Earl Middleton			|	Camping Bares
middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu		|	P.O. Box 81589
aka Happy Bare				|	San Diego, CA 92138-1589
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: cfarmer@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Chuck Farmer)
Subject: Nude Beaches in Illinois
Followup-To: rec.nude
Organization: NCSA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:22:58 GMT

Could someone please tell me if there are any nude beaches in Illinois?

Thanks
From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: COED WASHROOMS
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:58:27 GMT
Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com
Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support


In article <1992Aug26.173825.22998@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, jlpicard@austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker) writes:
>middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:
>
>> >	2. How come the staff, like bartenders wore clothes.
>> 
>> Bartenders may be required to wear clothes.  Staff may or may not be
>> nudists.  With regards to cooking, a friend of mine has an apron that
>> says "never fry bacon naked".
>
>I once read something by the writer Joe Haldeman wherein he maintains
>that you get the best bacon by frying it nude, 'cos you tend to adjust
>the heat so that it's just barely below the temperature that makes the
>grease splatter.
>
>:-)
>

Friends of ours, who are currently circumnavigating, always sail offshore
nude.  Except when cooking (or when the temp gets real low).  Then, George
says, "When you're cooking the bacon, make sure you don't burn the sausage"
--
Dillon Pyron                      | The opinions expressed are those of the
TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support    | sender unless otherwise stated.
(214)462-3556 (when I'm here)     |
(214)492-4656 (when I'm home)     |"Do something different, DISAPPEAR"
pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com          |  "DISAPPEAR"
                                     _A Day On Earth_
                                     Brave Combo
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Humpty-dumpty
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:00:55 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <QebGWem00WB8IWR1VL@andrew.cmu.edu> mf0w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michel Fougeres) writes:
>Forget it, this is just a discussion about the proper meaning of a word.

	Oh, I see.  The Humpty-Dumpty approach.  Listen, if that worked 
we could just define "clothed" as "wearing a birthday suit" and this 
newsgroup would have to discuss tuxedos.

	An exhibitionist is someone who gets a kick out of exhibiting
themselves.  If I wanted to draw attention to myself I'd shave my pubes
and paint my balls green.  Just getting naked doesn't do it.  And when it
does it's a side effect, not a goal.

	When people get drunk and throw up, would you say that the goal
of drinking _must_ have been to get sick?  When I strip and attract gawkers
the gawkers are an unwanted side effect.  You misunderstand my goals
if you really think I get naked to attract attention.

	Are you a nudist, or just a critic, anyway?
From: ivgate!howard!Moondog@uunet.uu.net (Moondog)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: CO beaches in Cancun
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:45:32 CST
Reply-To: ivgate!howard!moondog@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Howard's Notebook BBS (816-331-5868)
Followup-To: rec.nude

    I was hoping that someone could point me in the right direction as
to whether or not there are any CO beaches in or around Cancun, or nude
beaches for that matter.   My Fiance and I will be traveling there in
the next month, and we are looking for one to go to.  If anyone would
have information ,or know of someone who might have information, it
would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks,
                                G'day,
                              MoonDog.


Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: Rob_Stokes.Operations@QMail.SSC.Gov (Rob Stokes)
Subject: Re: Other places to be nude.
Organization: SSC Information Center
Distribution: USA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:03:32 GMT

Riding a motorcycle while nude is a really neat feeling.  I'm real
lucky that a live in the booneys; I can ride for miles and never
see anyone.
Some of the rules I've made for myself:
1) Ride only at night.  I've never had the guts to go off the
property during the daylight hours.
2) Only approach cars from the front.  How many motorcyclist have
you seen at night that you can say for sure what they were wearing?
Most people look me in the face or never pay any attention.
3) If a car approaches from behind, I do a U-turn and pass them
head-on.  I don't want them driving up behind me and see my white
butt; they could get offended and I can't do much to defend myself.
4) Stay on roads I know and don't push it.  If were to wreck,
Ouch!!!
I'm finding it hard to convince my girlfriend to go with me. She's
worried about people seeing her; she's been to a CO beach with me...
This may not be the smartest thing to ask but, will someone write
her and ENCOURAGE her to go?  Please no rude comments.  Her email
address is: Melody_Cadwallader.LTSMail@QMail.SSC.GOV

Rob Stokes
From: IZZYNY1@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (STEVE)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: RE: CO PLACES NEAR LA
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:59:00 GMT
Reply-To: JON@BRADBURY.CNS.CALTECH.EDU

JON,
   I'M A STUDENT AT UCLA AND WAS WONDERING IF YOU GOT ANY RESPONSES TO
   YOUR QUESTION ABOUT CO PLACES NEAR LA. IF SO, COULD YOU E-MAIL ME
   SOME INFO? THANX.
                                         STEVE (IZZYNY1@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU