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From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Carpet cleaning/protecting info wanted
Organization: NASA/JSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:48:20 GMT

I am in the process of cleaning my carpets. I have had them cleaned before, but
the scotchguard was less than I expected and therefore I am attempting to clean
them myself. I'm doing this for a couple of reasons:

1) I have access to a Rainbow Vaccuum cleaner and my inlaws were very impressed
with the way it cleaned their carpet.

2) Its my house and I would be more carefull do it right than some carpet
cleaning company.

What I am not quite sure of is how to protect it after cleaning it.
Scotchguard? Any info would be appreciated such as type of solution to use, how
to apply it, how long to let it dry, etc.

*****************************************************************
John R. Cobarruvias, Texas A&M Class of '78, 
NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
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Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: snow tires
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 18:49:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac

In article <1992Dec11.173221.5904@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> dlc@ddsdx2.jhuapl.edu (Dave Collard x7468) writes:

>SNOW tires are for SNOW.  They do not help on ice, in fact I believe
>that they are WORSE on ice than all-season tires.  I read that somewhere
>recently...anyone that can confirm/deny?

Some rubber compounds perform far better on ice than others. Here in B.C.,
where snow isn't unusual, I've had superior performance from Pirelli's MS
tires, and have stuck with them for fifteen years because of that. (They
consistently perform well on glare ice as well as snow.)

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Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: CHP can't use radar?(Was: What radar d
Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 11:43:20 GMT

lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>    They are also technically ignorant of how small aircraft measure
>    their own speed...and how difficult it is to pace an auto from
>    the air.  Also they are ignorant of the difference between air
>    speed and ground speed...and how impossible it is to measure
>    ground speed unless you know the exact winds aloft at your
>    altitude at the specific time of the flight.

Here's how the cops claim they do it:

	They measure how long it takes the aircraft to go between the
	markers, while they observe the car.

	From this, they determine the aircraft ground speed (65 MPH in
	the case I was reading).

	They note that they are going the same speed as the car, hence
	the car is speeding.

The court says (I use the singular rather than the plural, because I could
only find one California appellate case where someone objected to this on
the basis of it being a speed trap) that this is NOT a speed trap, because
the aircraft is using the marker to measure its own speed, rather than
using them to measure the speed of the car.

I seem to recall a pilot or two saying that the plane could not go this
slow, but is that really true?  Don't planes of the type the cops use
have to be able to fly at 71 MPH airspeed in order to be certified?
(I spent a few minutes with my copy of the FARs, but I couldn't find
where the requirements for certification are, but I'm pretty sure that
there is such a speed...anyone have the reference?)

If they can get down to 71 MPH, then it seems that they could catch a
lot of speeders, depending on the wind direction, because their groundspeed
will depending on the wind speed and direction.  In at least one direction
following the freeway, it will be less than 71 MPH (and it may be so in
both directions if the winds aloft are significantly cross to the freeway).

I also came up with a reference to a law review article on aircraft and
speed traps.  It's 14 Hastings L.J. 427.  The library here is closed
right now, so I haven't taken a look at this yet (Westlaw tends to only
go back to the early 80's or so for law review articles, so I haven't
bothered to see if its availables there).

--Tim Smith
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: davel@booboo.SanDiego.NCR.COM (David Lord)
Subject: Re: OK..why shouldnt I get an extended car warranty?
Reply-To: davel@booboo.SanDiego.NCR.COM (David Lord)
Organization: NCR Corporation, Rancho Bernardo
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:03:58 GMT

In article <whitlock.724535203@ipoint> bwhitlock@uiuc.edu (Brent Whitlock) writes:
staggers@cup.hp.com (Ken Staggers) writes:

>I just bought my new car, a Mercury Tracer LTS. 

>I need to be reminded...why are they such a bad deal?  On principle, it
>sounds great.  For $660 I can get an extra 2 years of coverage.  And the
>brochure they give indicates a lot of things that are covered.  I have
>a lot of power options like door locks and windows.  Couldnt they fail
>during years 4 and 5?  What didnt the sales guy tell me?  What was he
>leaving out?

>Yeah, I turned it down.  But they will be "giving me another chance" to
>take it when I pick up the car.  I wonder how many other chances will I
>get afterwards?

>--Ken
>  staggers@cup.hp.com

Well I'm still hoping I don't get my money's worth from my EW. I have
an 89 Toyota truck with 62,000 miles. (The warantee goes for 75,000
with a $50 deductable.) In the last 5000 miles I've had to have the
radiator and the front crankshaft seal replaced so they've covered
about $250 so far. Of course if it wasn't for the EW I'd be going
somewhere other than the dealer for these repairs.

My brother's Toyota truck ended up needing a new front crankshaft seal
(hmm, they seem to have a problem with those), a rear crankshaft seal,
and a couple of other things, all under the EW. He basically got his
money's worth from the EW but not a whole lot more.

You basically buy the EW as insurance against a possible major repair
bill at an inopportune time (is there an opportune time?). 
Actuarially it's certainly not going to be a bargain. I do know
a number of people who end up having to have major repairs on every
car they own; I don't know if it is a result of bad karma or what,
but if I was one of those people I'd probably buy another EW.

As it is, I probably won't get the EW next time and I NEVER get them on home
electronics. When my VCR breaks I figure I'll be ready for a new one with
all the latest doodads anyway.

.......

And by the way, for those people that still think the Japaneese make
better cars, my last vehicle was a Pontiac Grand Am, and in 80,000 miles
it never needed ANY repairs beyond normal maintanance and it didn't
rattle all over and squeek like my Toyota does. I know, I know,
annecdotal evidence...
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.misc,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.ibm.pc
From: jdavis@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Jim Davis)
Subject: Re: PRODIGY New and improved STILL SUCKS, HORRIBLE as before
Organization: DHL Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:53:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.060755.6327@panix.com> imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar) writes:
>
>If you are considering joining Prodigy as a new member, or left and are
>considering rejoining with their "come back" mailing efforts, or are
>just thinking Prodigy is the service you should use - just several
>pairs of two words:  STAY AWAY!  IT SUCKS!  BAD MOVE!
>
>Imran Anwar
>
>PS I love internet and Compuserve if you wanted to know :-)

I chopped out most of this but you get the idea Imran doesn't like Prodigy.
Well I feel obliged to respond.  I've used Prodigy for a couple of years and
like it very much.  I tried Compuserve and think it SUCKS!  So there you are!
What do they say, "different strokes for different folks, etc"?
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Trolling for Taillights (WAS: Radar detectors...)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:35:45 GMT

carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl) writes:
: 
: >receiver -- in a weatherproof housing with a solar powered batter unit and a  
: >timer to activate it at different times.  Now compare that with the cost of  
: >paying for the cop, the car, the radar, the gas, the insurance, etc...
: 
: Several police departments tried this several years ago but the FCC
: disallowed their use (something about an unmanned transmitter - damn I
: can't remember the exact ruling - you might want to try asking in
: rec.radio.amateur.policy for more info).  If they hadn't they would be
: much more common.

It breaks at least two FCC regs - operating an uncontrolled transmitter
and transmitting a deceptive/jamming signal.

You are right - about 10 years back some police departments tried this,
the FCC came down on them, hard.

Bill
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Legal Tender???
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:18:24 GMT

tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) wrote: 
->	....  Perhaps they will reconsider
->	and let you pay with that large bill.

cute ... but the real problem is that, while they'd be happy to take
your money, there simply is not enough cash available to the attendant
to make your change.  if you see the sign and insist on paying with a
large denomination banknote then it is likely you will not be able to
get change (immediately ... other customers may have to be served
before enough cash is accumulated  to change your note).

i've worked in an all-night convenience store, and clerks were
required WITHOUT EXCEPTION to keep the amount of cash in the till
under $50 ... all excess had to be noted on the cashier's sheet and
dropped in the one-way drop safe.  clerks in these places have no
control over this; if you have a gripe with this policy then write to
regional/national headquarters and flame at the management.

->	6. Gas station person takes the large bill, and then tells you
->	that the price went up, and there is no change due!  

i can't imagine any clerk doing this ... they don't want anything to
do with hassling you; they just want you to pay and go on their way so
they can finish reading this week's copy of the
national_enquirer/people/torso/whatever ...

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
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#     for information on the league for programming freedom, 
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Newsgroups: misc.consumers,soc.culture.usa
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: Re: Santa Dollars.......
Keywords: church, state, religion
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
Distribution: usa
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:29:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.220909.26097@asl.dl.nec.com> alie@csl.dl.nec.com (Andrew Lie) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.210223.21105@leland.Stanford.EDU>, rsingh@goliath.Stanford.EDU (   raj) writes:
>|> As it is, a LOT of people have trouble with "In God We Trust" being on
>|> US notes, so isn't putting Santa's picture on the note not only
>|> endorsing religion, but also Christianity.  Comments? Flames?
>|> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>Santa has nothing to do with religion, or Christianity.
>It is just a benevolent figure reminding us to care and share.

No, it's a merchandising gimmick to get us to BUY BUY BUY! Caring has
nothing to do with it.
			Cynical,
				reb
From: wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Wanted:  Home water purifier suggestions
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:19:56 GMT
Reply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher)
Organization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews abusers - Beltway Annex
NNTP-Posting-Host: skybridge.scl.cwru.edu

Others said:
# I eventually went to K-Mart and got the Omni-Home Unix.  It installed in
# less that 30 minutes.........

Wow!
All this time I've been worrying about BSD386 vs 386BSD vs ATT
vs Linux vs you_name_it & while I'm wondering about it -

	K-Mart is selling a house brand and it installs in 30 minutes.

Sell my Microsloth stock....
--
A host is a host from coast to coast..wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu
& no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
Xref: sparky misc.consumers:20765 rec.music.cd:8423
From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: CD walkmans
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:00:12 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

In article <BzDEEo.310@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> bhostetl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Hostetler) writes:
>	Well, every Sony I've had has managed to break several times
>in a year.  So, I bought a Technics.  It looks good and is very slim,
>but isn't shock resistant at all.  The controls are weird and limited.
>Frankly, if I hadn't dropped it 2 hours after getting it (J&R World),
>I would have sent it back.  Also, and this may sound odd, but the sound is
>muffled or dark...  I've tried adjusting the various buttons that
>control the brightness, but to no avail.  $200 down the tube...
>sigh...

Hmm... do you have a XLP-700?  This has been my experience with one:

-- Yes, it looks good and is slim.
-- Yes, the controls are limited; that's why the XLP-900 came out this past
   year.  But the XLP-700 has all the "standard" functions, just not any
   bells or whistles.
-- I thought it is slightly _more_ shock resistant that other models I had
   considered.  Not by much, though... all CD's players seem really touchy
   to me.
-- Sound is subjective, but I think mine sounds awesome... considerably
   better than the CD player built into my JVC boom box.

If your dropping it only created a tiny scratch or something, you might
want to try sending it back anyway if you're unhappy with it.
From: Vida Tigrani <veeduh@leland.stanford.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Any tips on buying a briefcase?
Date: 13 Dec 1992 01:43:15 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: world
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Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: meyr@calvin.edu (Bob Meyering)
Subject: Leading Edge Computers
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:17:54 GMT

I'm thinking of upgrading by selling my present 20 meg harddrive
computer with monochrome, and upgrading to a Leading Edge 486sx/25mhz
with Cache, 107mb Hard Disk, 512 VGA Video Ram (.28 VGA Monitor)
Mouse, Dos 5.0, Windows 3.1 etc. etc.

Anyone out there with an opinion pro or con for Leading Edge Products?
I'd be interesting in hearing from you.
Thanks



-- 
                     ***  Meyr@Calvin.Edu  ***
Nothing is so firmly believed as that which we least know. --Michel De
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: just a silly question....
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:27:04 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 18DEC199208004156@utkvx3.utk.edu, drevik@utkvx3.utk.edu (Drevik, Steve) writes:
>
>I had one of those calls from the <insert city name 
>here> Association of the Blind, attempting to sell
>me 10-year light bulbs.
>
>Q: How do they know they work?

Plug one in.  Turn it on.  Wait 2 minutes.  Touch it.

You'll know.


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  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: fino@point.cs.uwm.edu (Alexander Finogenov)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Mail order company to buy a camcorder
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:46:51 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.5

I would like to buy an 8mm Sony or some other popular brand camcorder.
I read on net that it is possible to get it cheaper from a mail order company.

1. Need advise of companies with a good reputation (first hand experience).
2. Can a good 8mm camcorder without "fancy features" (fading out, scrolling
titles and so on) but with inner full range focusing and 8X zoom or higher
cost less than $600?
3. Do mail order companies sell warranty and how expensive is that (for 3 years,
say)?

Thanks,

Alex
From: dlow@pollux.svale.hp.com (Danny Low)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:20:19 GMT
Subject: Re: AmEx Vs Visa
Organization: HP LOVECRAFT DIVISION
Newsgroups: misc.consumers

>(Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) 
>IMHO, the only time using AmEx is not bonehead stupid is if your
>company pays for it, or if you are traveling internationally.  The same
>thing goes for their Shearson financial services.

AmEx is worth it if you do a lot of traveling. Period. Hotel reservations
guaranteed by AmEx are truly guaranteed unlike Visa/MC where they
are technically not a guarantee. The odds of a Visa/MC guarantee NOT
being honored is very low BUT if you do a lot of traveling, you will
encounter such a situation if you use only Visa/MC. AmEx is also much
more aggressive in getting hotels, airlines, etc. to provide extra
ammenities like express checkout. You can get many of the same extras 
with SOME Visa/MC cards but AmEx always seems to be ahead in quality
and quantity. For example, AmEx started the extended warranty program.
Visa/MC cards who offer the same thing did so only after AmEx proved
the value of such a program.

The AmEx card is more expensive to have but it also provides more
services. If you need to use those extra services, it is well worth
the extra money. Otherwise stick with your Visa/MC.

			   Danny Low
    "Question Authority and the Authorities will question You"
	   Valley of Hearts Delight, Silicon Valley
	     HP CPCD   dlow@pollux.svale.hp.com
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,soc.culture.usa
From: jmalloy@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Joseph T. Malloy)
Subject: Re: Santa Dollars.......
Keywords: church, state, religion
Organization: Hamilton College - Clinton, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:36:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.224109.21323@netcom.com> foo@netcom.com (Mark Hall) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.210223.21105@leland.Stanford.EDU> rsingh@goliath.Stanford.EDU (   raj) writes:
>)As it is, a LOT of people have trouble with "In God We Trust" being on
>)US notes, so isn't putting Santa's picture on the note not only
>)endorsing religion, but also Christianity.  Comments? Flames?
>
>   Last time I talked to Santa, he claimed to be Buddhist.
>
>
No, no, no!  (or: Ho, ho, ho!)  He's a born-again pagan!

jmalloy@hamilton.edu


Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: andre@king.slc.mentorg.com (Andre' Hut)
Subject: Re: Legal Tender???
Organization: /net/king/usr1/andre/.organization
Distribution: usa
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:00:41

In article <1992Dec11.171413.11631@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> mf@dancer.cc.bellcore.com (fusco,marc) writes:
   >Have you ever noticed those signs sometimes (usually gas stations) that read:
   >		   "Can't accept anything over a $20 bill"?
   >I understand the reasoning for places like gas stations, which may
   >be open late at night and not have alot of cash on hand.........but....
   >Is this legal?

   >Can a business refuse your money (thereby refusing to sell you something)?
   >(wonder what happens if you don't see those usually hand-written
   >_consipicuous_ signs, e.g., at a gas station, and pump first...)

The words "Can't accept anything over a $20 bill" are not quite accurate.  Sure,
they could "accept" anything, but whether or not you get change is another
matter.  There is no law anywhere saying they have to keep enough change
around for your large bill.  They make take your bill, and make arrangements
for you to get your change.

They can however, refuse your handful of pennies.  Anything more than what
a roll of coins can hold is not legal tender.

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From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Santa Dollars.......
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:14:01 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article GCx@news.cso.uiuc.edu, irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:
>
>Perhaps in a few hundred years, Christmas will evolve into a
>purely secular celebration of friends and family (Like the
>American Thanksgiving is today) with gift giving? 

The very term "Thanksgiving" implies theism.  The American Thanksgiving
holiday is firmly rooted in Christian traditions.

> Christians
>(myself included) would attend church in celebration of the
>birth of Jesus, but the two events would be viewed as separate
>things entirely.
>
>Any comments?

In a few hundred years, Christmas will evolve into a mindless orgy of
commercial consumption, with a few ancient relics hanging around, like
the inexplicable juxtaposition of the colors red and green, and an
obscure reference to some legal contract, containing a "santa" clause...

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  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: phaedrus@halcyon.com (Mark Phaedrus)
Subject: Re: Tape protection
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 05:50:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.205817.2679@nynexst.com> schwartz@nynexst.com writes:
>Why do rental cassettes have a sticker on the seam, reading:
>"IF YOU REMOVE THIS STICKER, YOU HAVE TO PURCHASE THIS TAPE."
>Does opening the tape facilitate copying it?

     Opening the cassette doesn't facilitate copying it, but it does facilitate
stealing it.  First, copy the rented cassette onto a blank one.  Then, open
the two cassettes, and switch the tapes inside.  Now, close everything up and
return the rented cassette.  You now have the real thing, and the rental store
has the copy (though it's inside the original shell).  Since there's usually
a distinct difference in quality between an original tape and even a first-
generation copy, this is something the video stores do have to watch out for.
     (Of course, before you start feeling *too* sorry for the video stores,
bear in mind that some "repair" damaged tapes by pulling the exact same stunt--
opening up the damaged cassette, junking the damaged tape, and substituting a
copy.  So you wind up renting a copy for the price of an original.)
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