HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: keitha@spider.co.uk (Keith Aitken)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Teenage Fanclub question
Date: 21 Aug 92 08:59:38 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <1992Aug21.005109.5546@samba.oit.unc.edu> Mark.Cornick@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mark Cornick) writes:
>Yes. Yes. _A Catholic Education_ tromps _Bandwagonesque_ any day. Get it
>at all costs. The first side of the LP  especially, and of course
>"Everything Flows" are UNREAL.

Ah well. Bit of a difference of opinion here. Never mind.

>
>BTW, has anyone heard anything about this rumor that TFC may be joining
>Alex Chilton on his next solo disc? Sounds cool to me.

Don't know about that, but TFC and Alex Chilton did a session together
for BBC Radio Scotland at the beginning of this month, where they did
3 Alex Chilton songs (from his forthcoming solo LP for Creation), an
unidentified American pop classic, and "Older Guys", the Gram Parsons
song. (No Big Star stuff unfortunately)

Overall it wasn't too bad, the session was recorded with very little
rehearsal, and it showed!

KDA
-- 
_____________________________________________________________________________
Keith.D.Aitken,T&I Engineer           |"Revolution starts at home, preferably
Spider Systems, Edinburgh, Scotland   | in the bathroom mirror" 
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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: loffit@wam.umd.edu (Dixie Cup)
Subject: New Too Much Joy
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:17:49 GMT


I just heard a song on WHFS off of the forthcoming Too Much Joy CD, _Mutiny_.
The song is called "Donna Everywhere".  I can't say much about the song other
than it's a fun song, but uses too much of a generic chord progression for
the chorus.  Anyone who likes Too Much Joy will probably like the song, but
it's nothing special.  Hopefully the rest of the album will be more
interesting.

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: sbtaves@icaen.uiowa.edu (Steven Bradley Taves)
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses tour??
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:43:22 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa



In article <16081@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> jepace@fajita.ucdavis.edu (Logjam) writes:
>Hello everyone  ... the new Throwing Muses album is out, and its
>fairly ok, considering Tanya is gone ...


	OK?!!!! I believe it's their best album since 'House Tornado', if not 
equally as great.  Given, Tanya is gone and so are her two closer-to-pop songs
that normally go in the albums.  Sure I miss the the element that those songs
and her guitar playing gave to the Muses music, but this album shows that 
getting rid of Tanya may have been what Kristin Hersh needed to get back to
her original style of song writing.  I think that Tanya's guitar parts on
the last two albums, 'Hunkpapa' and 'The Real Ramona', has driven their music
closer to the basic song structures that most pop musicians use, ie. intro,
verse, chorus, verse, guitar solo, verse, etc.. I believe that anybody who 
agrees that their debut album and 'House Tornado' were great and that their
last two albums were a little on the dull side, will also agree that this 
new album is great also.
	
S. Taves     





Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Subject: Nirvana and Sonic Youth.. The connection..
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 12:21:49 GMT


This was probably already dicussed and worn out, etc. etc., but don't
flame me.

I heard a rumor that Sonic Youth TOLD Geffen to sign Nirvana.

Any truth to this rumor?

I also heard that Butch Vig, who produced Dirty, wanted SY to do a song
called, "Smells like Dirty Boots."  (:
-- 
Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu)
Pro-Choice/Pro-Clinton/Gore '92
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: prock@stingray.micro.umn.edu (Andrew Prock)
Subject: Re: Gear Daddies
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:46:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.150207.6149@iscsvax.uni.edu> woodwick9526@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>HI, me again.  I was just wondering if anybody knows anything about the 
>Gear Daddies ohter than the put out 2 albums, a 3 song 45 and they are
>from the great town of Austin, Minn. 
>                        Thanks 
>                                woody

The only other thing I know is that they broke up recently playing their
farewell concert in Austin with a bunch of other bands on the bill.
I missed tho..

Andrew Prock
From: bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Unrest "Teenage Suicide" on CD?
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:58:59 GMT
Reply-To: bmacdona@ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.


   I was awunderin' if Unrest's _Malcolm_X_park_ and
   _Kustom_Karnal_Blackxploitation_ are available on CD, or if the song
  "Teenage Suicide" (from _Kustom.._ ) is on any CD compilation.

    Somehow, I think I'm out of luck nevertheless,


   ANYWAY, check out the new Graverobbers' 7"!

    A tribute to Mark Robinson himself!

     Side A:  Mark Robinson

     Side B:  Yes, She is My Skinhead Girl (M. Robinson)
              Mark Robinson (acoustic)

      Really beautiful tribute.

                                                      K!z!K
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.misc
From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: Charlatans UK tour cancelled
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:13:16 GMT

james@raveup.b24a.ingr.com (Teddie James) writes:

>I just found out to my disappointment that the current Charlatans UK
>tour is cancelled.  We called The Masquerade in Atlanta where we had
>tickets, and they gave the bad news.  They also said something about a
>possible breakup.

>Catherine Wheel was supposed to open.  I don't know what's going to
>happen with them.

>Life really sucks right about now.


Thats too bad about the Charlatans tour.

I saw them in Vancouver at the Commodore on the 9th.
They were very good. The keyboard player really made the show for me.
They had a great light show too.

My only quibble is that they only played for 65 minutes including
encore. Thats too short for 26$ Canadian.

Catherine Wheel might have been ok, but they played way too loud.
I though my ears were going to bleed.
From: seaverw@columbia.dsu.edu (W. A. Seaver)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Lolla2
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:34:42 GMT
Organization: Dakota State University

Does anyone have info on Lollapalooza II ticket availability for Aug 28 in 
Minneapolis? Horrible, evil, bad, naughty rumors about that nothing is to be 
had by hook or by crook. Can anyone out there help out?
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: rmartin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard Martin)
Subject: Alternative Guide to Winnipeg (part 1 - very short)
Summary: Alternative Guide to Winnipeg (part 1 - very short)
Keywords: alternative none
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 07:59:27 GMT

There is no Alternative Music happening in Winnipeg to any great extent.
Stay away from Winnipeg. I live in a dead town. I think I will sleep now.
Its a friday night.

You could always try MacDonalds. We have alot of them.

R. Martin
Noise.


Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: nimouat@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Nikos Mouat)
Subject: Body Counts 'Cop Killer' Lyrics
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: alt
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:57:55 GMT

As requested, here's the lyrics to Body Count's "Cop Killer".
This song is absolutly no reflection of my views, opinions,
or those of any school or employer I may have attended or worked for
etc. etc.
     Most of the stuff on this album can be no more than just music
to probably anybody reading this newsgroup. Being a middle class, 
white kid, this song is about a lifestyle I will probably never understand
and hopefully never experience, however, there are many people in America
who have to live a life such as those described on this album.
I imagine this song is targeted at them.

Nikos.
--
Here Goes:

"I Got my black shirt on.
 I got my black gloves on.
 I got my ski mask on.
 This shit's been too long.
 I got my twelve gauge sawed off.
 I got my headlights turned off.
 I'm 'bout to bust some shots off.
 I'm 'bout to dust some cops off.

 Chorus: 
 COP KILLER, it's better you than me.
 COP KILLER, fuck police brutality!
 COP KILLER, I know your family's grievin'
 (FUCK 'EM!)
 COP KILLER, but tonight we get even.

 I got my brain on hype.
 Tonight'll be your night.
 I got this long-assed knife,
 and your neck looks just right.
 My adrenaline's pumpin'.
 I got my stereo bumpin'.
 I'm 'bout to kill me somethin'
 A pig stopped me for nuthin'!

 (Chorus)

 DIE, DIE, DIE PIG, DIE!
 FUCK THE POLICE! (repeat)

 (Chorus)

 FUCK THE POLICE! (repeat)

 FUCK THE POLICE, for Darryl Gates.
 FUCK THE POLICE, for Rodney King.
 FUCK THE POLICE, for my dead homies.
 FUCK THE POLICE, for your freedom.
 FUCK THE POLICE, don't be a pussy.
 FUCK THE POLICE, have some muthafuckin' courage.
 
 FUCK THE POLICE, sing along.

 COP KILLER! (repeat)

 I'm a muthafuckin' COP KILLER!

 COP KILLER! (repeat)"

Above is (c) 1992 Ryme Syndicate Music/Ernkneesea Music ASCAP
used without permission.
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: arsenic@cs.montana.edu (Michael Hurd)
Subject: Re: Bad Religion 
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:05:53 GMT

Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717

In article <1992Aug17.221017.25806@tellab5.tellabs.com> pauls@tellabs.com (Paul Silver) writes:
>In article <1992Aug15.182421.23482@coe.montana.edu> arsenic@cs.montana.edu (Michael Hurd) writes:
>[...]
>>By the by, has anyone seen _Into the Unknown_ on CD?
>
>*-------------------*
>
Ha!>I seriously doubt you ever will see _Into the Unknown_ on CD.
Ha!>Bad Religion is embarrassed by that album.  I believe it was a
Ha!>flirtation with the "crossover" rage going on at the time, which
Ha!>saw alot of great punk bands throw away their talent by becoming
Ha!>lousy metal bands.  SSD is one such band.  Everyone in Boston
Ha!>thought they were such a joke when they released _How We Rock_.
Ha!>
Ha!>B.R. soon saw the error of their ways, returned to their roots, and
Ha!>thus titled the next EP _Return to the Known_.

Gee Whiz Paul...  If you think _Into The Unknown_ is a crossover
to (I have to laugh) 'METAL' it is painfully obvious that you
have never listened to the album.  For Christsake I 
would have thought the accoustic guitars, Hammond organ,
and songs dedicated to K.V. would have tipped you off
to realize that 'maybe this isn't a good punk band gone bad.'

But your point is taken nonetheless... The band seems 
to deny making it...In fact Jay Bentley and Greg Hetson
didn't even play on it. (Well Jay did for a while and then
quit)  

My original post stated all of this stuff however, and I don't
give a load of dingos's kidneys whether BR themselves like
the album... I do.  And I'd rather have it on CD than vinyl.
My vinyl version is getting so thin that I can read a 
newspaper through it.

One final note.  I hate to attack semantic matters, but somehow
you make it irresistible... The name of the album following
_Into The Unknown_ is *Back*To The Known_
-- 
"Don't speak to me of anarchy or peace or calm revolt man we're in a 
play of slow decay orchestrated by Boltzman...It's entropy..." -- BR
M. W. H.                                   arsenic@fubar.cs.montana.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.industrial,alt.gothic
From: s12334@doc.flc.colorado.edu (Fuck the World)
Subject: Re: Alternative Guide to Toronto(BOULDER) (part 1 - short'nd)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Reply-To: S12334@doc.flc.colorado.edu
Organization: Fort Lewis College
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 05:44:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.173912.25379@zooid.guild.org>, ecurrent@zooid.UUCP (Greg Clow) writes...
>(NOTE: this sucker is *long*, I know.  But, *please* read at the least the
>first couple of paragraphs.  Thanks!)
> 
>Like many of you, I find myself frustrated by the number of posts on various
>Usenet newsgroups (particularily rec.music.industrial and alt.gothic) that
>say "I'm going to be in (insert city here) on (insert dates here).  Can
>anyone tell me what to do/where to go/etc.".  And I must admit that I'm
>being a bit hypocritical here, since I posted just such a message a while

plenty of BLAH deleted

> 
>============================================================================
> 
>THE ALTERNATIVE GUIDE TO TORONTO  (v1 - August, 1992)
>--------------------------------
>Copyright (c) 1992, Greg Clow  - ecurrent@zooid.guild.org,
>                                 sizone!ecurrent@ee.ryerson.ca
> 
Blath here tooo!!!
>

Here is more for you.   


The Alternative Guide to Boulder

(no copyrights for me, take what you want)

There are a few people dressed in black if you look (squint)!
There are a few (three) clubs of note...
Why would you want to come to Boulder?
If you must....
There are lots of drugs in Boulder.
If I were planning a trip to Boulder (I don't know why I would, I live here)
I would plan to spend lots of time laughing at hippy-trendy-alternate types.
If you are one of those plan to spend lots of time being laughed at by me!!


If you are into goth, Wrong city, but you will probably bump into me :(
If you are not into goth, why should I care?

When you come to Boulder, ask me "Is there anything I can do to darken up
your day?" and I will give you a big kiss!!!

Christ get a grip____later
JChrist<<!!


s12334@doc.flc.colorado.edu<>BANNED FROM CNS MACHINES!!!<>RE:the for. post>
This is a joke, but I didn't find it funny enough to post to rec.humor
I think I will just throw myself off a bridge.  See you in Alt.Gothic
K**S thanks for the .sig help



Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: ward@cae.wisc.edu (David Ward)
Subject: Re: Soul Asylum -> where are they ??
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:04:42 CDT

In article <1964@sdrc.COM> festeve@sdrc.COM (Steve Saunders) writes:
>Help, I'm a Soul Asylum addict and I can't get up !!!  I have listened to 
>"And the Horse they Rode in On" so many times that I can see right through
>it.  Anyway, I read quit a while back that they were in the studio, but I
>haven't heard anything since.  Anyone out there know the rest of the story?
>

The new album is called "Grave Dancers' Union" and is due September 22.
I saw Soul Asylum in Minneapolis in July and got this
info from the guy at the soundboard, who apparently was also involved in
the recording of the album.

The new songs are really great.  I have bootlegs of 4 live performances of
the new material, demos of new songs that got 'em signed to a new label
(Columbia), and a recording of 5 of the final mixes of new songs. Some of the
songs are acoustic, some with one acoustic guitar and one electric, plus
I've heard a couple new all-out electric guitar tunes.  I haven't heard
anything new with keyboards, but Rolling Stone reported that Booker T. (from
Booker T. and the MG's) plays keyboard on a couple songs.

Overall, definitely a new sound for them- more mellow songs, and judging from
the "final mixes" that I heard, more polished too.  Still excellent music-
I don't think too many fans will be disappointed.  In the last couple shows
I've seen, Dave Pirner joked about how he didn't know if "you punk rockers
or whatever the hell you guys call yourselves these days" would like the
new songs.

The new album might just get a big, big push.  Dan Murphy has said before
that he was disappointed that their old label, A&M, treated them as an
alternative group that wouldn't be able to appeal to a wide audience.
The soundboard guy told me that there were gonna be four(FOUR!) promotional
CD's coming out before the album is released.  Also, Rolling Stone referred
to Soul Asylum's signing with Coulumbia as a "big-ticket deal".

Here's some song titles that ought to be on the new one ( a little guesswork ):

99%
Runaway Train
Black Gold
Brand New World
Wandering Eyes
On a Sunday

I'd love to hear more Soul Asylum info if anyone has any, including Midwest
tour dates (have car, will travel...)

-- Dave Ward
  

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Subject: Re: Nirvana and Sonic Youth.. The connection..
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 11:52:23 GMT


In a previous article, cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick) says:

>Yup. After _Goo_ sold big, Geffen apparently asked the Youth to recommend

Sold big?  220,000 is big?

>some new bands. They recommended Nirvana and Teenage Fanclub, both of whom
>did well too (duh). And the cycle continues... Nirvana recommended Hole, and
>who knows who they'll suggest... :)

Hole's been around for QUITE A while too.  Hmm.. 

>

-- 
Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu)
Pro-Choice/Pro-Clinton/Gore '92
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: drk@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Koehler)
Subject: Re: Pixies expert needed
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 14:15:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.093350.7858@nestroy.wu-wien.ac.at> lell@dec2.wu-wien.ac.at (Christoph Lell ) writes:
>
>I need info on the Pixies EPs taken from Trompe Le Monde.
>
>I have the Alec Eiffel single on CD which has a live version of Tame and
>Planet of Sound on it.
>
>Now, I walk into an "alternative" store and see the "Head On' CD EP
>which I didn't know about. But: It has the same live songs on it plus
>Debaser. However, it seems to be a Canadian pressing.
>
>Whats going on here? Is Alec Eiffel European only? Is Head On Canada only?
>What about the US version?  

The Alec Eiffel disc you have is the Austrian single.  The same live
versions of PoS and Tame on this single are also on the Head On single,
which is only pressed in Canada.  As you mention, Debaser live is on the
Head On single only.  There is also a U.S. domestic Alec Eiffel disc.
It contains similar tracks to the domestic PoS single.  You should skip
*both* the domestic Alec Eiffel and PoS discs, and pick up the U.K. PoS
single.  The U.K. single has "Build High" and "Evil Hearted You" from
the domestic TLM singles, plus "Theme Fom Narc" which is not available
on a domestic single.  Also on the U.K. PoS single is a slightly different
version of "Planet of Sound" without the warbling vocal, which I like better
than the album track.  The domestic Alec Eiffel does contain an intrumental
track (Letter to Memphis, I think) that isn't on the other TLM singles.

For real fun, try to find the Gigantic CD-single.  I've been looking for
months.  Anyone out in NetLand want to sell their copy?!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     David Koehler              | "and the material singers will fade into dust
   Stanford University          |     like forgotten merchants of disgust"
 drk@leland.stanford.edu        |             -- Iggy Pop
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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: David Brady <Brady_David@Tandem.Com>
Subject: Re: Who sings "88 Lines about 44 Women?"
X-Xxdate: Wed, 12 Aug 92 17:04:40 GMT
Organization: Tandem, Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:00:44 GMT


In article <1992Aug12.142910.1757@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> Dean H Saxe,
saxe_dh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu writes:
>Apparently some people seem to thinkit is Trent Reznor of NIN fame, but I
>don't think so, the singer sounds English.  Is this possibly Mr. Reznor,
>a pre-NIN effort?  If not who is it?
>

It is not Trent Reznor it is... The Nails on the album _Mood Swing_.

And since, we're on the topic:  

Did the Nails put out anything after _Dangerous Dreams_?   What are they
doing now - if anything?  

Are either of the albums available on CD?  My vinyl is wearing out!

And, as a bonus question, does anyone remember the cheezy Sprite (I
think) radio spot which sounds EXACTLY like "88 Lines About 44 Women".
-----------------------------------
email: Brady_David@Tandem.Com

Remember, David Brady IS Lee Harvey!
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 18 Aug 1992 22:47:11 EDT
From: M.A. Murphy <MURPH@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Major Label Music is EVIL!

In article <1992Aug18.034929.9242@colorado.edu>, conroym@news.colorado.edu (Matthew Conroy) says:
>
>4. I wonder about this: "complete artistic control"...what does this phrase
>really mean? Suppose an up-and-coming so-called alternative band of the
>say Nirvana style gets signed to, say, Warner Bros., who tell them they
>have that C.A.C., and spell it out in multi-page contracts...can they then
>make an album with a great deal of, oh 'offensive' language? or have
>censorable artwork on the cover? or even change there style of music
>radically, and, say, release an album of cut-up tapes of airport sound
>effects? i just find it hard to believe that a label would support a band
>in any endeavor they might choose...
>
Well, labels almost always reserve their right to refuse to release an album.
This will happen a lot of times when they think an album is not 'commercial'
enough, something they think either won't sell, or it so numbs their
corporate brain, they can't imagine how to sell it.  Of course, if there's
someone with taste that says the album just plain sucks and they won't
release it, they have that right too.  I'm sure the contracts can be
worded so that the label *has* to release whatever the band gives them,
but I doubt that too many bands have that type of weight to throw around.
Also, unless a band feels completely fucked by a label, why would they
want to give a label a purposely shitty album?

For specific recent examples of major labels releasing types of things
you mention above we have Jane's Addiction's _Ritual De Lo Habitual_ - the
artwork was released by Warner Brothers, though two different covers
were released (many stores refused to stock the album with the original
artwork <weenies!>).  I've seen plenty of weird album covers and can't
think of any others specifically - on the whole, though, independent
labels are much more likely to put out an album with controversial
artwork.  For language you can point to a good many rap albums,
many of which are by rappers on major labels - Ice-T is perhaps
the most prominent example at the moment.

Well, ideally the artist label relationship should be mutually
supportive.  Reality doesn't always work that way.  Especially when
the label is a huge multi-national corporation and the artist is just
one guy (or band) trying to create music.  Even the label personnel
who work directly with an artist can become little more than numbers
on an accounting sheet.
-------

                                            Murph

                                            Michael A. Murphy
                                            MURPH@MAINE.BITNET

If you do not understand my silence
you will not understand my words.
From: chappy@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Doug R. Chapman)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Breeders
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:12:17 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

>I just bought the CD ep yesterday, and was semi-impressed.  The first song
>is pretty good, but ultimately empty.  'Don't Call Home' is really
>impressive and 'Safari' is, IMHO, truly fantastic.  As I was listening, I
>looked at the lineup, noticing that Kim, Tanya, and Kelly (Kim's sister?)
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes Kelly is Kim's twin sister.


-- 
Doug Chapman
KSDB 91.9 Manhattan, KS.
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative