From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Subject: Telugu Culture Net Digest 42
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:46:34 GMT

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 13:52:58 EDT
From: Telugu@andy.bgsu.edu 
Reply-To: World Telugu People Network <Telugu@andy.bgsu.edu>
Subject: World Telugu People Network <Telugu Digest V8 #42
To: Telugu@andy.bgsu.edu


World Telugu People Network Wed, 19 Aug 92       Volume 1 : Issue  42 

Today's Topics:

      Alankaras!
      A request
      Avoid Caste Divisions
      Chanti Cinema
      Film Songs and Raagams.
      Gollapudi Srinivas dies while directing a film
      Help Needed for Tourists
      Jaya jaya jaya
      Last names......
      Manjeera Nadam film songs.
      Neerajanam Movie
      Reply to JUBV Prasad garu
      Soc.culture.indian.telugu Created
      Telugu  "Alankaaraalu"
      Telugu - Science writers.
      Telugu Associations - U S A 
      Telugu Proverbs and Abbreviations.
      Telugu word for 'instinct'
      Vivaranalu
      Vows in sending money to India...
      Who is the editor?
      WTPN and S.C.I.Telugu

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:10:50 -0500
From: kalasapu@aecom.yu.edu
Subject: Alankaras!

A L A N K A R A M U L U : I

    Basha lo ' alankaramula '  viluva alankaramane perulonae undi!

    Alankaramulalo SABDA mariyu ARDHA alankaramulani rendu taragatulu.
    
    I shall give you two alankaras every time, with examples from the most
remembered contemporary literature - Cinima patalu.
1.
    Palukarinchitene uliki uliki padatavu
    Ninu premiste anchestavu ?
    Manasu penaveste anchestavu ?   ( C.N.R - Jamindar )  

   If this is like this (  Palukarinchitene) - what about the other ( Ninu
premiste)  - this logic is called : Kaimootika Nyaam 

   This is called ARDHAPATTI alankaram ( ARDHA ). 

2. Pittamansu pisarantaina 
   Prapanchamanta Dagundi      ( dasarathi* - Moogamanasulu ) 

  To imply that a big thing is in a small thing - ADHIKA alankaram ( ARDHA
)

* This star mark here is to indicate to our friend that the THA here is
used properlyin Dasharathi.

    If only every one appreciates these important things that are developed
over a long period of time in all languges and use them where ever it is
appropriate and appeciate whenever they are used, I am sure individuals are
looked at as the  ones walking with a beauty ( in case the individual is a
boy ) and handsome fellow ( in case the individual is a girl) rather than a
simple skeleton called language! 

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:13:40 +0000
From: Ram Ramarao <Ram_Ramarao@trigate.sbc.com>
Subject: A request

Now that I see scit established, I gather that I should send any messages 
there. It would help me and perhaps some other net-novices if you could post 
an article on how to post messages on scit. Thanks

(Editor: WTCN digests continue irrespective of the formation of scit.
 The forum individually reaches people and we think that it is important
 to maintain and foster the forum. Please continue to send your articles
 to the digest. ...kt)

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 10:17:41 -0700
From: vemagant@nas.nasa.gov (Dr. Gururaja R. Vemaganti)
Subject: Avoid Caste Divisions
Subject:   A sincere request to the readers
<	A few last names are very representative of the caste they belong to.
<	For example, many vysyas I have seen have an ending of "setti" for
<	their last names, many kshatriyas have "raju" in the last names. Note
<	that a few Brahmin families too have "raju" in their last names -
<	for example, that of a frequent contributor to this net, seetamraju.
<	I can almost confidently say that he must be a "niyogi" brahmin based
<	on this information. A section of Brahmins opted out of study of vedas
<	and choose instead to assist the kings in political matters; quite a
<	few of such people served as ministers in the courts of many kings.
<	Henceforth they were known as "niyogi"s (meaning, "employed"). Some
<	retained their traditional occupation of the study of vedas, and were
<	henceforth known as "vaidika" brahmins.
              Please avoid mentioning or bringing caste into our
telugu digest.  Already in almost all the major towns and cities
all over the U.S. telugu people are divided based on their castes.
Telugu organization is already split at the national level. Let us
stay united and stick to the telugu net.  It is my sicere and humble
request.  Thank you.
                          -Gururaja Rao Vemaganti

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 19:00:06 EDT
From: seetam@eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Uday Bhaskar Sarma)
Subject: Chanti Cinema

maLLi naenae !

namaskaramulu ...

chanti cinema lo chaala `vichitramaina' sanniveSHaalu kanipin-chinavi.

tooki ga.  chanti cinema, graamala vaLLLakani prathyae-kinchi
theesi natlu, naaku anipisthondhi.

konni scenelu, ilaa vunnayi...

1)  oka viDHava ki bottu petta gaanae (villain peduthaadu), gudi lo
	gantalu mroguthaayi.  thoofanu gaali veesuthundhi.  (cinemalo)
	janaaala kaLLLaLLLo mahaa-dukHkHam kanipisthundhi.

2)  adhae scene lo, villain thana kroorathvanni choopinchataaniki,
	aamaeki peLLLi chaesthaanani antaadu.  (So you get an idea
	of the type of audience this film was aimed at).

3)  Heroine, hero gaadi ariti-aaku lo vunna aengili annamu, thintundhi.
	ituvanti scenulu inka vunnaayi.

4)  aaa ariti aaku, hero gaadu, annamu thinna tharavaatha baita
	paaraesthae, aaa paaraesindhaanni (achchu kukkalu chaesinatlu)
	therichi, vunna kodhdhi maethukulu thintundhi heroine...

5) itlaanti scenulu bolaedu...

----------------

naaku ami anipichch-andhantae... cities lo vunna vaLLLaku nachchae-tatlu
theesina cinemalu, graaamaala vaLLLaki nachchalaedhu.

The last summer, I asked a rikshaw-person about his opinion about a
certain movie, I cant remember.  But he said, nobody (read as other
rikshaw-people) liked that movie, as the wife slaps the husband.

A better example to one and all, is the failure of the Lamhe movie,
which has been hailed as an excellent movei by the intellectuals
and `educated', but was a total disaster...

----------------

In the chanti movie, I am seeing the beginning of the separation of
`educated' and `general-public' movies.  intha varuku, janaalu,
`morals'-vunna cinemaalu (aimed at the urbanized) bHarinchaaru.  kaani, 
iha nunchi vaLLLu, vaLLLaki ishtamaina cinemalanae poshisthaaru.

The movie that the janata likes is what makes that movie a hit...

They have rejected the pontification of the urbanized middle-class
and their moral lessons.  Movies are supposed to be a medium of education
but I think with regard to movie watchers, it is just a medium of
awareness.  They watch movies to become aware of a whole lot of things.
but they will reject what is not acceptable to them -- this is just
a contradiction to the `movies are educating' philosophy, as
education inherently means change of style (of living/thinking etc...)

The rural-urban divide grows more day by day....


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 02:32:13 PDT
From: from Madhu of ICP  18-Aug-1992 1436 <madhu@qcav01.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Film Songs and Raagams.

From: Capt Madhu <madhu@qcav01.enet.dec.com>
Sub: Film Songs and Raagams.

Sure, my earlier posting would have created some
interest in the musically inclined readers to contribute 
and help others learn and enjoy the film songs more
and also learn to identify the raagams.

Here are some more songs and raagams:

    Film		Song				Raagam

Siri Siri Muvva -  Jhummandi Naadam			Revati
Amara Deepam	   Naa Jeevana Sandhya Samayamlo	Khamas
Andala Ramudu	   Paluke Bangaara Maaye Raa		Ananda Bhairavi
Saagara Sangamam   Ela, Nee Daya Radu (Manju Bhargavi)  Athana
Prema Lekhalu      Idi Teeyani Vennela Reyi	        Kalyani

As promised, I shall keep compiling the readers'
contributions and shall post them on the net 
or to readers on request.

If you know that the song Naa Jeevana Sandhya Samayam Lo 
is based on the raagam Khamas, it would be easy
to find out that the song "Madhumaasa Velalo, Marumalle Totalo,
Manasaina Chinnadi, Ledayane" from "Andame Anandam (Jayaprada,
Ranganath, Singeetam Doondy banner 1976-77) is also based on
Raag Khamas.

Film songs would also start looking (hearing !) interesting !!!

Untaanu	 Madhu.
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 21:07:19 PDT
From: from Madhu of ICP  17-Aug-1992 0924 <madhu@qcav02.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Gollapudi Srinivas dies while directing a film

Sub: Telugu film director drowns

Telugu Film Director Mr. Gollapudi Srinivas, aged 26, 
(S/o Sri Gollapudi Maruthi Rao, Writer and actor) was drowned 
in the sea off Yerada beach near Visakhapatnam on Wednesday, 
12 Aug 92 after being swept by a tidal wave while shooting a 
film "Prema Pustakam."

Madhu.

P.S. Prasad Garu, thanks for the info on the film "Neerajanam".
Many magazines mentioned that Ramana Murthy and Somayajulu
are brothers and in the film, both have important roles and
hence believed that they are brothers.

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:30:38 CDT
From: Mahesh Kumar Bagade <c23mkb@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com>
Subject: Help Needed for Tourists

Hi Netters!

I will be touring Washington D.C. from 11th sep to 14th sep along with my
aunt and uncle who have come from India.

I desperately need some desi company for them for about a week after 14th
sep. I will be with them for couple of days showing them around. I have
already arranged the accomdation for them for their stay in washington D.C.

The main problem is they can speak only Hindi and Telugu. If any family out
there is touring D.C. during  09/11/92 to 09/18/92, I would apprciate if
they can give my folks some company.

Please pass the word around and give a me a call. your cooperation is much
appreciated.

Thank you.......

Mahesh
Internet: c23mkb@kocrsv01.decloelect.com
    UUCP: deaes!c23mkb
   Phone: (317)451-0460 (Work)

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 13:18:37 PDT
From: cimshop!SITAB%MTVIEW@uunet.UU.NET
Subject: Jaya jaya jaya

Hi, 
My mistake. The poet of jaya jaya jaya ... is indeed Sri Devulapalli.
Thanks for correcting me.
Sita

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:47:09 EDT
From: Prasad Pillarisetti <VPPILL00@UKCC.uky.edu>
Subject: Last names......

Hi folks,
  I am personally unable to understand why so many discussions are going 
on in the recent digests about the last names issue.
  I think it is NOT worth that much discusion in this particular net.
If at all people want to discuss about such things so extensively ,ask them to
do so in some soc.culture.india or at some other place.

  People here go thru the digests with full enthusiasm, expecting good 
articles, old film songs, the history of our great MOTHERLAND 
(MATHRUBHOOMI), etc.......

  So would it be nice if we stop this last names issue at this stage
rather than prolonging it?

Prasad Pillarisetti

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 00:32:07 PDT
From: from Madhu of ICP  18-Aug-1992 1244 <madhu@qcav01.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Manjeera Nadam film songs.

From: Capt Madhu <madhu@qcav01.enet.dec.com>

Songs from the film "Manjeera Nadam" (yet to be released)
are melodious. This film is directed by Kondamudi
Ramachandra Murthi.

There is a song of a Gopika (I think it is by Khestrayya-
a Padamu) who is a "Baalinta" with an infant requesting
Krishna not to call her during that time.

Nijamaina Srungaram ee paatalo undi. Listen and enjoy.

One of the best of Chitra and KV Mahadevan !!

(This tune and music has semblances with the famous song from
"Muthyala Muggu - Entati Rasikudavo, telisera" which is an
equally romantic song.)

Anybody interested in the lyrics of these songs ?

If people among net has no objections, as the 
"Srungara Rasam" Palu is more, some time, I shall post them.

There is one more parody song in Manjeera Nadam 
"Kalavaari koothuraa, kaliki Kamakshi,...Kalalaku kanaachi" 
by Suseela and SP Balu.

Untanu	Madhu

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 9:49:05 MDT
From: ramap@spatial.com (Rama K Pidaparti)
Subject: Neerajanam Movie

Actor Ramana Murthy is the younger brother of actor Somayajulu.
How do I know?  My wife is THEIR niece.  I don't mean to broadcast this.  Just
many others doubts about this can be cleared and not just Mr.JUBV.Prasad.  I
thought of sending mail to Mr.Prasad but the above reason made me post it here.

Don't know about Neerajanam or its producer.

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 23:49 CST
From: <UABSSG02%ASNUAB.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: Reply to JUBV Prasad garu

     Thank you for your clarification.  I don't think there was any need
for an apology.  My usage of words WAS capable of causing confusion.  Unlike
some people, I have liked discussions on this topic.  Quite naturally, tastes
and viewpoints differ.  When I come to a topic I don't like, I skip it and
go on to the next one.  It probably would not be right for a person to say
that topics he dislikes should not be discussed.

Suresh Grandhi
UABSSG02@ASNUAB.BITNET

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 17:33:31 EDT
From: cvemuri@hubcap.clemson.edu (Sarat Vemuri)
Subject: Soc.culture.indian.telugu Created

The newsgroup soc.culture.indian.telugu has been formed 
starting 8/13/92, and should be available at all sites 
where 'soc.*' groups are available.
      
       g soc.culture.indian.telugu

menu and then typing "soc.culture.indian.telugu" and then "u".
You can also invoke it by the "command nn soc.culture.indian.telugu"


If you have any problems, please contact your system 
adminstrator, or Sarat (cvemuri@hubcap.clemson.edu).

This newsgroup is devoted to discussing all aspects of 
interest to Telugu speaking people, with special emphasis on cultural 
and literary aspects. The complete charter is one of the 
first posts on this new newsgroup.
 
Special thanks to KT Narayana, for performing a wonderful job with
the Telugu digest all these days. There may still be people who don't
have access to access to usenet. Hopefully, he will be able
to keep them connected to the SCIT. 

Sarat Vemuri

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 10:07:30 -0700
From: vemagant@nas.nasa.gov (Dr. Gururaja R. Vemaganti)
Subject: Telugu  "Alankaaraalu"
        Bhaashalo alankaaraalu
        Bharathi swarna haaraalu (from a recent telugu film song)
Vasantha garu forgot to mention another important telugu alankaaram.
That is "Shabdhaalankaaramu".  My telugu teacher always used to give
the following example for the above alankaaram.  You may find several others.
  "Vishnu rochishnu jishnu" (Bammera Potana)
                  -  Gururaja Rao Vemaganti

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:15:55 -0500
From: kalasapu@aecom.yu.edu
Subject: Telugu - Science writers.

  I know that there are good science books ( not text books ). There are
some good science fiction writers ( copy cats too ! ). 
 
 However, one good writer and who has good knowledge of this matter is 

      Prof: Vemuri Venkateswara Rao 3212, urban drive, Pleasenton, CA
94566.

Srinivasa Rao K. 
  

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 10:34:56 -0500
From: kalasapu@aecom.yu.edu
Subject: Telugu Associations - U S A 

Dear friends, 

     I have seen some times items here and there and people enquiring about
telugu associations in differnt parts of the country. I think this net is
the right place to get all the address of the Telugu Associations in USA
and Canada. I hope to complie one such list. I  N E E D  YOUR  H E L P.
Please send me the address of the associations you know of ,  

Name 
address
President  et al 
Conact phone number 
if they ( any active member) have an email address 


You may actually fill here and send this back to me. 
Later, I shall post the list on this net so that every one of us will know
where to contact for the local telugu activities!
Thanks in Advance !
sincerely, 
Srinivasa Rao K. 

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Date: 16 Aug 92 11:58:00 EST
From: "Sreehari Nimmala" <chemsn@emrycc.cc.emory.edu>
Subject: Telugu Proverbs and Abbreviations.

I have not seen so far the subject of "telugu Saamethalu"
(proverbs) on WTPN. As you all know, there are number of
very good Saamethalu in telugu. So, I would be happy to see
lots and lots of Telugu Saamethalu on this group. As a start
here is one:
  "Athaa meedha khopam Duthaa meedha theesinatlu"

Also, most of you may be aware of Telugu Abbreviations. I would
like to see some strings on this topic too. Here is one telugu
Abb.: Maa. Bha.Koo. == Maa Bhava Koothuru
          Mee.Ku        === Meesala Kusuma
So, hope everyone will come up with Saametha or with an Abb.

---Sreehari Nimmala.
  

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:27:14 -0400
From: goli@markov.ecs.umass.edu (Praveen K Goli)
Subject: Telugu word for 'instinct'

I am wondering if there is a *single* word in Telugu for 'instinct'

Praveen

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:15 PDT
From: SARADHI%ITIVAX.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Vivaranalu

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* Motamarri Saradhi - Saradhi@itivax.bitnet                          *
*                   - Saradhi@iti.gov.sg                             *
*                                                                    *
* Monday, 17th Aug, 1510  SST, Singapore.                            *
*                                                                    *
* Vishayam :          Vivaranalu                                     *
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* Manasunna  Manushule     Manaku  Devullu -                         *
* Manasu     Kalasinanade  Manaku  Thiranallu...           -Athreaya *
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Namaskaram,

About Popular Science Books in Telugu:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Somebody has raised a query about books dealing with popular science
in Telugu. There a good number of books.

A sample of the books I recollect:

   Viswa Rapam -  Nanduri Rammohan Rao (Editor, Andhra Jyoti)

   Viswa Darsasam -      ditto         [this is about philosohpers]

   Naravatharam          ditto         [more incfluenced by Darwin]

   Apart from these Dr Mahidhara Nalini Mohan has written aplenty of
   books for the general reader on science.
   Visalandra Publications distributes a good number of russian
   books translated to Teligu.

About writers:
~~~~~~~~~~~~

   I observed somebody quoting Yandamuri... as the greatest writer
   of this decade etc...   etc...

   I would like to say a few words- absolutely not meant for a
   debate or discussion...

   When we attribute some greatness let us be more objective. Let
   us not go by the number of people who read novels or by the
   number of fans he has etc. etc...

   Let us not down-grade our own literature...

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Kruthajnathalatho...   Saradhi

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 22:09:59 -0700
From: chakri@ichips.intel.com
Subject: Vows in sending money to India...

Dear Friends,

	I have a concern about the time the banks (in India) take to 
encash a Cashier's check (from USA).

	I recently sent a cashier check ( in USD, pay to my sister in India)
to India. My Sister has been told to wait for about 30 days for the check to
be encashed. The bank where she presented this check Canara Bank, Bangalore,
where Foreign Department is right next to it. 

	I am surprised and a bit angry about such a delay in transfer of
funds. As you know, a cashier check is equivalent to REAL MONEY. So, i
expect a quicker money conversion & transfer. A similar experience with
Money Orders. 

	Finally, I wonder how much time it would take if I send a personal
check. Probably the same. So why lose little interest I might get by
taking a cashier check right away.

	Did any of you had similar experience?? Do you have a better
idea for transfering money quicker?? What ever happend to me is not the
same with other banks??

Please mail your replies to: chakri@ichips.intel.com
			    -------------------------

	[ I know about NRI accounts, wire transfers.]

-- chakri

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 3:08:20 PDT
From: jubv@hcla.hcla.com (J U B V Prasad)
Subject: Who is the editor?

Hi Friends,

Sometime back, I have seen some postings in the digest which say that
the scope of the Telugu digest is limited and some articles like Inti Perlu
should not discussed in this net and those things are related to some other
issues.

My point is who decides the scope? How can these people define the scope of
the net. We have an Editor who is supposed to take care of such issues. If
he thinks, some things should not be discussed in this Telugu digest, he
should indicate the same to the readers and posters. No other individual
has any moral right to comment on the facts which articles should be posted
in which net. If they do not like some postings, they can ignore them, or
criticise them, or just say that they do not like the postings. Even, they
can say that they would stop reading the digest if such type of postings
appear in the digest. In this case, they would be opposing with some of the
ideas of the digest scope for which the Editor is working.

Other than this, nobody except the Editor can define the scope of the net.

What is your valuable comments, Editor?

You should have given a reply to such postings, either explaining the scope
of the digest or by saying by mistake you have published such type of
postings. Then, everybody would know what is the scope of this digest.
Then, it would be upto the readers/posters to stop or to continue further.

---- JUBV Prasad

(Editor: There seems to be a lot of opinions about the role of the editor.
No your editor does not have any sledge hammer to dictate this open forum's
approach to topics. All I do is to bring some harmony in the discussions
and plead with all of us to contribute good articles! Some times
some articles may not be of quality! This happens, because one cannot
maintain absolute quality! I urge people to work towards quality articles
of interest to Telugu people and more importantly of interest to non-telugu
speaking people. That is why I would like transliterated text to be embedded
into English prose so that other people can also read those articles. Please
always note that we sell our culture to other people of our country. They
should appreciate our culture and see how Telugus contribute to
the totality of the Indian culture. ...kt) 

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 9:53:57 MDT
From: ramap@spatial.com (Rama K Pidaparti)
Subject: WTPN and S.C.I.Telugu

Hi Editor and Telugu People:

I was wondering when would s.c.i.telugu become sort of 'official' in the sense
that "MANY" nodes get it.  Also what would happen to WTPN?  I guess there would
be people who may not get s.c.i.telugu(India_Digest parallel).  What would about
them?  Just thought we can think in those lines to continue this rather nice
media to 'keep in touch' with Telugu.

Best Regards,

Ramakrishna.

(Editor: WTCN digests bring together all telugu people into a private
 electronic forum. The individual contact this brings is important
 to all of us! We will continue to enrich the digests in suitable ways
 so that it becomes attractive and useful to the membership. Please
 continue to post your articles to the Telugu digests. ...kt)

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