From: HF.MRV@forsythe.stanford.edu (Marianne Villanueva)
Subject: Re: Honeycoe, CLARK, + explanation
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:49:20 GMT

In article <5OCT199217280527@sscvx1.ssc.gov>,
godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>In article <Oct05.204814.46527@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, mk568652@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Mitch writes...
>>
>>Let me get something straight here.
>>
>>
>>I don't mean offense to Filipinos or their country, I think it's a great place,the scenery, etc.
>>But I can't see it as a "exploitation" of people. I read somewhere that the base pours in
>>one million dollars DAILY into the economy at Angeles, not to mention Subic.  Yes, we
>>servicemen "serviced" the local women but anyone,  whether American , British, or Autralian,
>>would indulge in the same way (just try to avoid , it 's not easy)
>>..  They need our money to survive, whether they sell pottery, art, clothing, or
>>women.  Yes , it's bad but it wasn't our idea to build nightclubs and having dancing girls.  Maybe it's
>>a vicous cycle. Now that's it's over, thousands will be unemployed, both on and off base.
>>
>>I agree that many Americans stationed in the P.I. have gone totally nuts, like a child in a toy store
>>with endless amounts of money.   I hated those types there and I hate the ones who think that way
>>and live in this country.  But I'm not feeling guilty for having a good time at Clark or Subic.  I can't
>>help the fact that there were beautiful women chasing me for a change and that everything was
>>dirt cheap.  I loved and still love the P.I. , with or without bargirls,  yet hopefully with out communism
>>in the near future.
>>
>>Maybe I shouldn't have posted my previous article in this newgroup, I'm sorry.  But to all you
>>young Filipino/Americans out there, I think you should know that these things exist, at least up until
>>November.
>>
>>P.S. - honeycoe or honey ko is bargirl slang for honey or dear I guess
>>              billy boys are the transvestites running around Angeles.
>>
>>I am sorry but this is a fact of life.:
>
>I'm not a Filipino but I feel compelled to reply to this.  I think most
>Filipinos know very well what happened in Angeles and what happens at
>Ermita, so you're not telling them anything new.  What is sad about your
>mail is NOT that you took advantage of the cheap sex on offer - that is
>perfectly natural - but that your mail suggests that you haven't looked
>any deeper than the fact that women were chasing you and you had money
>and they didn't.
>
>Did you, for example, ever ask yourself how a Catholic girl, raised in
>a society in which women traditionally keep their virginity until they
>are married, could have got herself into a position where she is chasing
>American military personnel around an airbase asking for sex?  Did you
>think about how the girls felt, what social injustices had driven them into
>that state?  You say you don't feel guilty, and I don't think you should -
>you just did what everyone else was doing and what anyone else would do,
>but why is your explanation so superficial?  Why are you not asking the
>right questions?  Do you really believe that the women were chasing
>you for your body, do you not see that it was JUST about money?  Did you ever talk to
>any of the girls about how they felt about their work, what they said
>to their families and priests, how they explained it to their children
>when they became old enough to understand?  Did you ever think to question
>how they REALLY felt about you and the Americans in Angeles?
>
>regards Laurence
>
Laurence,

When I first read your posting I thought it was quite touching and
even imagined it could have been written by a Filipina!  But when I
discovered it was you, the person who claimed the Philippines had
the highest number of dishonest people you had ever encountered
anywhere, I wonder why your sensitivity is so selective.

Marianne
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