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From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Africans in the Military (Was Re: Good books on African-American history?)
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:34:26 GMT

In article <BvAGHu.Ezx@NCoast.ORG>,
cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) writes:
>
>Don't forget the Black American troops who fought with the French in WWI.  They
>used French weapons and equipment, so they might not be recognized in photos by
>people who don't know what to look for.  One of my great uncles was in France
>in WWI, but I think he was under US command.
.
.
Any black fighting units were put under French command. If no
brothers were fighting, but were simply taking care of horses and
the like, they were under U.S. command.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Boycott "Rhythm & Blues"
From: galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 00:31:37 PDT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

<KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>   There is a new show starting tonight called "Rhythm and Blues" on NBC.
> Please don't watch this trash.  The basic premise is one of a failing Black
> radio station in Detroit run by a Black woman (Anna Maria Horsford), who take
> on a new DJ in hopes of saving the station.  Of course the new DJ, though
> "sounding" Black, is white as snow.  He, of course, is the savior of the radi
> station.
>  I am tired of shows and movies which show that the Black race cannot survive
> without the white man coming to save the day, and this show is not too subtle
> in driving home this point.  So watch "A Different World" and switch over to
> "Martin".  This kind of show (R&B) has to have a short life, so boycott it!


I would've automatically dismissed this show on the same basis, except 
for one thing...I know of more than one VERY similar situation in real 
life, including here in San Diego. Without passing judgment on the 
caliber of a show I haven't seen yet, I can tell you such things actually 
do happen in the real(?) world of radio.
G.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: robart@agora.rain.com (Robert Barton)
Subject: Re: Prejudice vs racism
Organization: Organization
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 09:04:50 GMT

In article <92273.1201283ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> 3ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU writes:
>In response to Geoff, racism is a *white* thing.  As someone pointed out racism
>is a historical concept.  It has not always existed.  One could argue that
>ethnocentrism is unversal.  There is a general agreement about that.  There
>are and have been ethnic tensions throughout history based upon notions that
>one's own ethnic group is superior to others.  Racism other the other hand was
>an invention of Europeans.  European scholars codified and systemized notions
>of races and the superiority of European *race(s)*.  This occurred during the
>15th century.  It is whites who assume themselves to be a superior race.
>


  anti-white racism
From: helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: National flag for blacks
Date: 6 Oct 1992 20:18:44 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: na
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In article <1992Oct6.175949.27399@cas.org> cwm54@cas.org () writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.160227.27260@cbnewse.cb.att.com> ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct6.123401.14284@cas.org> cwm54@cas.org () writes:
>>>
>>>       I disagree with our black leaders who argue with whites that we
>>>    are AS patriotic as they. How could we be?
>>>

>    It is not easy for me because I don't buy your definition of patriotism.
>
>    True, we have contributed greatly to this country but I fail to
>
>    see a direct corrolation between contribution and "love and loyalty
>
>    or ZEALOUS support for (ones) country".(Webster)  History is replete
>
>    with examples of peoples who made great contributions to a country
>
>    but who did not feel patriotism for it. It is not logical to feel
>
>    love or loyalty for your oppressors. But there are many african
>
>    americans who do feel patriotism. As I originally said, I don't
>
>    think they are "AS" patriotic as white americans. Jewish people
>
>    made tremendous contributions to Germany but I seriously doubt they
>
>    considered themselves patriots and certainly they weren't AS patriotic
>
>    as non-jewish Germans.

It was the feeling of many German Jews, especially, the highly assimilated
ones whose families had been there for hundreds of years, that they
were GERMANS. Their patriotism and love of their country was a major
factor in their destruction, because very few saw the handwriting on the
wall and fled when there was still opportunity to do so. Many thought
that Nazism would blow over and go away. It was inconceivable to many
that things could progress (or rather, regress) so badly. By the time
it was clear what was happening, Krystalnacht had already happened and
the edicts came down, fast and furious. It was too late to get out.

My mother's second husband was a refugee from Vienna, Austria. 
Since he was Jewish (but considered himself very much
an Austrian), when the Germans pulled off their
"anschluss" with Austria, he lost his successful book publishing
business and every dime he had, fleeing (like out of a Hollywood movie)
across a bridge to Switzerland and then on to America. He arrived here
without shit in his pocket. Although he did all right here and retired
with a pleasant railroad pension, he was a broken man and it showed.   
(It was interesting how much of the Germanic stiffness he brought with
him to this country. His rigidity and my teenage attitude made a volatile
mix, for sure!) (This was in 1953-1957).

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: Correct conjugation
Originator: barnhart@gagme
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:09:41 GMT

This is in reply to HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels), who wrote:
:Some idiot, Lanham, I believe, thinks I am a man.  Well, since I
:can't raise up my dress on line, you're just going to have to
:realize that I am a woman. GabriELLE. Didn't you ever conjugate
:French in school?

Hm.  I've *kissed* French, but I didn't know you could do *that* ... !
From: FKR@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Pres Bush is Coming to Penn State
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:08:15 GMT
 <1992Sep29.214313.1931@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu>
Organization: Penn State University


Art/Robert,

After re-reading my original post, I see your points. I guess I need to learn
how to spell. Oh well, the "cums" were more interesting than what Pres Bush
had to say.

I hope everybody got a few chuckles out of that one. Can a black man blush?
I won't answer that one. Anyway, back to the books. Quantum Mechanics. Damn!

                    *
                    *
Fred Rozenblad      *  Why does anyone wnat to get a PhD in Chemistry?
FKR@psuvm.psu.edu   *
                    *
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Racist Webster's New World Encyclopedia
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 21:14:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.210024.16718@morrow.stanford.edu>,
HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes to continual
pest Arthur T. Hu who constantly needs a fresh spray of RAID just to
get him off our collective backs and who buzzed insanely:
>>
>>If the editorial staff had blacks and whites, but no Asians, are Asians
>>justified in calling blacks racist because they did not include Asian
>>Americans?
>.
>.
>.
>My suggestion to you is to simply point out these discrepancies to
>the editorial board at Webster's so you can get yours.  Who is a
>person of color on the editorial board is anyone's guess.
>Someone listed as Grace F. Miller could easily be Grace Fukuyama
>Miller for all you know.  Knowing the way the business world is
>structured, there is bound to be one or two blacks on a board which
>may be all white.
.
Uh-oh, folks.  Grammar problem here. Freudian slip of the tongue.
"[T]here is bound to be one or two blacks on a board which may be
all white."  Correction: mostly white.
.
Ever since Clarence Thomas got in, I've had these nagging
problems...bear with me!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Boycott "Rhythm & Blues"
From: galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 00:35:10 PDT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson) writes:

> In article <92268.071028KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>  
> writes:
> >   There is a new show starting tonight called "Rhythm and Blues" on NBC.
> > Please don't watch this trash.  The basic premise is one of a failing  
> Black
> > radio station in Detroit run by a Black woman (Anna Maria Horsford), who  
> takes
> > on a new DJ in hopes of saving the station.  Of course the new DJ,  
> though
> > "sounding" Black, is white as snow.  He, of course, is the savior of the  
> radio
> > station.
> >  I am tired of shows and movies which show that the Black race cannot  
> survive
> > without the white man coming to save the day, and this show is not too  
> subtle
> > in driving home this point.  So watch "A Different World" and switch  
> over to
> > "Martin".  This kind of show (R&B) has to have a short life, so boycott  
> it!
> 
>      I've seen a couple of preview clips of "Rhythm and Blues". I have to  
> agree. This show should be ignored. The money would have been better spent  
> resurrecting "Frank's Place", which (for those unfamiliar with it) was  
> about a successful New Orleans restaurant owned and managed by a black  
> man.
> 
> Arthur Johnson
> johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu 


"Frank's Place" was a good show...an excellent show, in fact. 
Syndication seems to have all but ignored it, though. I wonder why...
G.

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From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: African names-why aren't there more of them?
Date: 4 Oct 92 00:46:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: oracle.1992Oct4.004619.15926
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In article <1992Oct2.205550.21780@cbnewse.cb.att.com> ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:
>In article <5858@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> 6500ursa@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Disco Junkie) writes:

>>I have a question that I would like to ask the people on this newsgroup
>>about.  This concerns the issue of names.  I am an asian-american, and
>>my family name reflects the heritage of my ancestors.  This is something that
>>I can be proud of, and one that I would be proud to pass onto my children.

>but there are a lot of asian-americans and other <iyfeg>-americans who change
>their names to make them sound more "americanized".  how many people do you
>know named "lee" who changed from the spelling "li"?

Uh Ron, they don't use our alphabet.  Claiming that the actual
spelling is "Li" instead of "Lee" is kind of ridiculous.  It's an
ideogram with a particular meaning an a pronunciation somewhere
between Li and Lee.
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From: harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator)
Subject: Inforgram from misc.activism.progressive
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Originator: daemon@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Organization: misc.activism.progressive on UseNet ; ACTIV-L@UMCVMB
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 06:03:22 GMT

[Inquiries to harelb@math.cornell.edu] 

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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 91 00:28:02 -0400 
From: aj912@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Maurice Maschke III) 
****************************************************************** 

     Please let me help clarify this point further, with the 
following facts. 

1. The "Median" income for Whites in the U.S. in 1988 was at a 
   level of $33,915. 
2. The "Median" income for Blacks in the U.S. in 1988 was at a 
   level of $19,329. 
   ---------- 
-  1991 Information Please Almanac - Pg. 44 - taken from The 
   Department of Commerce, Bureau of the Census. Figures 
   Computed as of March 1989. 

3. In 1988 51,202 White people were listed as living below the 
   poverty level, while only 9,864 were listed as Black living 
   below the poverty level. The combined total of 63,743 were 
   listed as being the total number living below the poverty 
   level. 

        [Small calculation:] 

        [That would make 15.5% of people in poverty Black -- Blacks 
        are 12% of the population; hence poverty for Blacks is about 
        30% higher than the (already abysmal) national average. 
        --Harel] 

   ---------- 
-  1991 Information Please Almanac - Pg. 55 - taken from The 
   Department of Commerce, Bureau of the Census. 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham)
Subject: Re: Correct conjugation
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:35:05 GMT

HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>Some idiot, Lanham, I believe, thinks I am a man.  Well, since I
>can't raise up my dress on line, you're just going to have to
>realize that I am a woman. GabriELLE. Didn't you ever conjugate
>French in school?
>.
>I find it amazing that there are so many white guys ganging up on me
>on this board.  I must be hitting a really raw nerve.

Well, score two for me today for foot in mouth syndrome.  I have already
apoligized directly to Ms/Mrs? Daniels.  I had failed to look at the expanded
name in the originator line in her posts.  I guess I proved the old saying
about 'ass'umptions huh.  

BTW, unless someone asks directly, how do you folks on the net tell what
race/sex/religion the other posters are?  There are some names(though not
Gabrielle) that are unlikely to give much clue to sex, nationality or
religion.

Again, to all whom I have mistakenly attributed the wrong
sex/nationality/race/religion whatever, I apologise.

P.S. I am not an idiot :-), ignorant about many things as we all are I do
admit

He who will not reason, is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool;
and he who dares not is a slave.      --- Sir William Drummond

Michael Lanham       mjlanham@eos.ncsu.edu   &  jumper@catt.ncsu.edu
From: v105l4lg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (c pierre)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Question
Keywords: observation
Date: 27 Sep 92 04:13:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


     Have you guys ever noticed that white america seems to accept/deal with
 other cultures with very little anxiety, than when it comes to dealing with
 black americans ? Well, could it be that since we live in an amoral society
 the dominant group in order to be united need to believe that a certain group
 among them is not civil and is out to get them, but will accept some other
 cultures in the process, except the 'niggers' of course. Ignoring the hand
 picked ones, why is this ?? It can't only be economically dependent, like some
 would have us believe. The theory is from a collective prospective, not an
 individual one.
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From: hoover@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gary Allen Hoover)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: where is everybody?
Date: 30 Sep 1992 23:14:59 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
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Originator: hoover@csd4.csd.uwm.edu


where are the rest of the many millions of african americans that have news
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Subject: Re: In the wrong place, at the wrong time
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:32:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.172323.11728@cas.org> cwm54@cas.org () writes:
$>$> RACIALLY TORN IN MINNEAPOLIS
$>$     <heavy sigh>
$>Yeah, and the worst thing is, people up here try to fake like it ain't
$>happenin.  Shame, shame...
$
$     Well I've been educated. Many of us have been told that Minneapolis
$
$     was a nice place for us, relatively speaking. I had been told that
$
$     if you could deal with the low population of blacks it was "not bad".
$
$     Allegedly, native americans caught the heat up in them thar parts.
$
$     Silly me, expecting things to be different anywhere.
$

Sheeeiiitttt don't ever judge a book by its cover my friend.  Things
up here are a lot worse than they look, because people up here are a
lot more covert about expressing their racist thoughts than in other
areas.  THe low population of blacks don't help things much either.
We got every big city problem there is to name, yet people (especially
city officials) keep saying "Oh, Minneapolis doesn't have those
problems, we won't have those problems."  Yet mugs are streamin in
from places like St. Louie, etc, callin in "Moneyapolis". It's mas freaky,
let me tell you.

-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, CIS-Univ. of Minn.                mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu
				            	    moor0009@student.tc.umn.edu
"Arresk the Presidink!"                           malcolm@mermaid.micro.umn.edu
		-- Popeye the Intelligent Hoodlum
From: jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham)
Subject: Re: Good books on African-American history?
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:31:36 GMT

das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:

>As the title says, I would like recommendations for good books on
>Africa-American history.

>Thank you,

>Debbie Schwartz // das@voodoo.boeing.com  // or uunet!bcstec!voodoo!das 

An outstanding book on American military history as influenced by blacks and
seen from the non-white perspective is _Strength for the Fight_.  I think if
more of the facts shown in the book were known, we would all realize a few
things.  I found the book at my university book store but do not have the
author's name, etc.
He who will not reason, is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool;
and he who dares not is a slave.      --- Sir William Drummond

Michael Lanham       mjlanham@eos.ncsu.edu   &  jumper@catt.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Africans in the Military 	
From: galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 00:24:49 PDT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) writes:

> 
> By the way, he met Siegfried Sassoon last night.  Anybody know of any famous
> Blacks who served with the AEF?  I can't think of any, but there's a million
> who were in WWII, including the late Harold Washington.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 

Chris:
Therre was at least one entire all-black regiment, the 369th(?) out of 
Harlem, that saw heavy combat in World War I, mainly with the French,
the US Army having little faith in the ability of blacks to fight -- or 
maybe too much fear that they might continue to fight after they ran out 
of Germans to shoot...
 
In any case, they not only fought under French command, but fought 
heroically, and produced heroes the equal, at least, of Sgt. York. 
Collectively, if I'm not mistaken, the 369th never yielded a foot of 
ground to the Germans.
G.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: robart@agora.rain.com (Robert Barton)
Subject: Re: Question
Keywords: observation
Organization: Organization
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 00:04:08 GMT

In article <Bv7yF7.BG6@acsu.buffalo.edu> v105l4lg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (c pierre) writes:
>
>     Have you guys ever noticed that white america seems to accept/deal with
> other cultures with very little anxiety, than when it comes to dealing with
> black americans ? Well, could it be that since we live in an amoral society



  Anti-white racism

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham)
Subject: Re: Defeating the myth of "races"
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: soc
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:24:02 GMT

carroll@cs.uiuc.edu (Alan M. Carroll) writes:

>In article <jumper.717729048@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu>, jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham) writes:
[material deleted]
>> if the idea
>> of separate races is abolished, especially as established in
>> government and law, how do blacks and other minorities redress their
>> greivances?

>How about, just like any citizen? I find the idea of enshrining race
>in the law an appalling idea, especially if (as you've argued) it's a
>myth. I remember a time when certain civil rights leaders opposed race
>based law. My, how things change.

I whole heartedly agree that it would be nice for all greviances be redressed
equally.  But many have argued and believe that does not happen now...even
though race is embodied in our laws[used to be to persecute, not to explicity
protect].  So would a cessation of explicit protection of certain races(Cuban,
Vietnamese, Afr-Am) in particular do more harm then good?  How do individuals
prove discrimation or unequal hiring practices?  I am not aware of a criminal
law that says employers must hire the best and brightest they can afford.  How
can we as society prevent small-minded people from "putting prejudice in
action"? 
He who will not reason, is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool;
and he who dares not is a slave.      --- Sir William Drummond

Michael Lanham       mjlanham@eos.ncsu.edu   &  jumper@catt.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cadet@spade.rutgers.edu (Uniquely TiJean)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: motorcycles
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:54:11 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I ride a motorcycles.
I was talking to my friend Clarence about women riders. 
I told him I am sure many women ride. He added that they are certainly not 
sisters. I argued I am pretty sure there are black women who ride motorcycles.
So, if any of you know something, why don't you drop me a note to 
prove Clarence he's wrong? Thank you.
JC