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Subject: Re: WE WANT MIAMI!!
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:34:01 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Keywords: Nebraska best team in the nation again!
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <6849@news.duke.edu>, ds4@soc2.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.101324@mccall.com>, scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:
>|> You're a fool, Skip.  If the OrangeBowl were a neutral site, then
>|> having anyone there would be fine.  But that is Miami's homefield.
>|> Why not just have the OrangeBowl played in Lincoln?  I still think
>|> that all bowls should be played on a neutral field.
>
>What do you plan on doing...pick up the Orange bowl and fly it to Buenos Aires?
>You would be sure not to find any home team from there.
>
Hey, why not?   BTW, besides Miami, who else plays their home games
there?  UFlor and FlorSt are both in nothern FL, as is FLorA&M(but
they're DivIAA),  C.Flor and Bethune-Cookman are closer but are
DivIAA, too.   I'll say it again, I don't believe that any team
should have a homefield advantage in a bowl game.
--
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(uucp: ...!widener!depot!mccall!scott)	615 McCall Road
(800)255-2762, in Kansas (913)776-4041  Manhattan, KS 66502, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera)
Subject: Re: Rice vs. Baylor (was: Re: Trevor Cobb 6, Lloyd Hill 0)
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:10:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.151119.6959@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
>
>Is the Rice game at Baylor?  If so, I wonder if Rice will look as slow
>on the natural turf as they did in Durham...
>

Huh?  I was at Baylor last weekend for the (heartbreaking) Baylor-GT
game.  Baylor's got artificial.  I think the whole SWC has turf.
Anyway, the game is at Rice.

From what I saw of Baylor, I was pretty impressed.  Their running game
ran all over GT at will.  However, Rice's D has really tightened up
lately, with a strong 3 quarters :) against A&M and an impresive
showing vs. Texas Tech.

Rice's running game is also potent.  While Baylor looks like they use
their size and just bulldoze the ball 4-7 yards per carr, Rice will
have the double quick-threat of Emmanuel and Cobb, who rely more on
speed.

I'll give Rice a slight edge on the passing game.  Both teams have OK
passing games, but Baylor (at least against GT) had a bad habit of
throwing interceptions (2+) or having receivers fumble (2+), which
kept GT in the game.

Overall, I think if Rice can keep its defense up, they'll have an edge
over the Bears.  I'll be a bigger Owl fan then I've ever been before
next weekend - probably 'cause I just want to see Baylor LOSE (revenge
factor)!


go jackets!  
(we now have to beat Georgia to get a bowl bid ...  oh sh*t)

-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu
"The 'wall of separation of church and state' is a metaphor based on bad
 history, a metaphor which has proved useless as a guide to judging.  It should
 be frankly and explicity abandoned." - Chief Justice William Rehnquist
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: patrick@norm (Patrick Bohrer)
Subject: Re: New A&M QB (was Lee Corso's prediction)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:12:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.214632.26068@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)  
writes:
> 
>   Too true, too true.  But really, has all Austin gotten this depressed?  It's
> come down to little jabs at Aggie problems that have (hopefully) gone away...
> What happened to all those "SPANK the Aggies" posts?  I almost miss them.  
> 
>   Almost. :-)

UT will still SPANK the Aggies.  Sorry... I had to say it again.

I seriously doubt that UT will take the Aggies for granted like they
did the Frogs.  However, my SPANK the Aggies comments might have to be
downgraded to "the Horns will SQUEAK by the Aggies" due the events of this
past week where Gardere of '91 reared his ugly head and the Aggies found a QB.
Hopefully, this statement can be reinstated to a full-grade SPANK by 
Turkey day. :-)
 
>   Seriously, I haven't seen any whining out of the Longhorn fans on the net, 
> and for that you guys should be commended.  Who'd have thought the Froggies
> would suddenly go killer?  I hope the Ags don't take anybody lightly the next
> 3 weeks...

Me too.  The SWC doesn't need their only ranked team to be beaten.... not until
Thanksgiving anyway.  :-)

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: skipb@cwis.unomaha.edu (Skip Burrell)
Subject: Re: Nebraska and patsies -- C U later
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:01:20 GMT

"Susan R. Wagner" <sw39+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> 
>>***Note: that KSU and NU are on the same plane to Toyko.****
>>--

>Oh won't that be fun!

>Susan

>PS when is this game? 
> 

December 5th

--
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Comp. Sci. Graduate Student		compuserve: 	76146,2323
University of Nebraska at Omaha		AOL:		skipb
My Disclaimer: Any opinion I may have stated was purely unintentional!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan)
Subject: Re: What happened to OU?
Organization: ARCO Oil and Gas Company
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:08:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.084806@mccall.com>, scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
writes:
> 
> In article <1992Nov4.112116@trc.amoco.com>, zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Mike)
> writes:
> >Probation happened to OU, pal.  Try cutting your scholarships in half
> for >several years and see what happens to your team.  It ain't pretty
> and OU >probably won't be top-flight for a couple more years.
> >
> So why don't the OU fans understand Gibb's predictament?
> Sending a UHaul to his house.  Some support.
> --
> Scott D. Davis <scott@mccall.com>       The McCall Pattern Company
> (uucp: ...!widener!depot!mccall!scott)	615 McCall Road
> (800)255-2762, in Kansas (913)776-4041  Manhattan, KS 66502, USA

Scott,
  I'm sorry, but, I have to say you are correct. It saddens me when
my clueless OU friends don't understand this. These are people that
are losers in everyday life and the only thing that is positive is
OU Football, and when they aren't winning, they get upset.

                                                    .....Mike

-- 

Mike Minihan      mminihan@arco.com
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: usc vs arizona
Keywords: surprising
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:34:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.40938
Distribution: usa

In article <1drpl8INN4db@aludra.usc.edu>, malhotra@usc.edu (Arvind Malhotra) writes:
> the lines given in usa today for the upcoming games favors trojans over 
> wildcats by three... and earlier when wsu cougars were #13 and trojans 
> were #15... the line favored trojans by three. any explanations!!!!
> ( do i see history repeating itself ???)


If the odds posted in McPaper are Danny Sheridan's, don't 
bother. Look for the Las Vegas lines.

Why was #15 USC favored over #13 WSU? Simple. 
USC was the better team and the bookies dont give a damn to poll rankings.
The only reason USC was not favored by at least a TD was the respect
for WSU's 6-0 record at that time.

Now USC is a 2 pt fav. over Az. why? 
Imagine 100 smart betters went to Vegas. If the line was Az favored by 3
[which, IMO, should be the real line], 50 guys bet on USC, 50 guys bet 
on Az, and the bookie wins. The problem is that out of the 100 potential
betters, 50 of them are rabid, biased USC alums loaded with cash, and
they will bet on USC no matter what the line says. If the 
line were still Az favored by 3 pts, half of the remaining 50 sane betters [25]
will bet on USC, the other 25 will bet on Az. So a grand total of 75 will 
bet on USC, and 25 on Az. The bookies could get screwed. 

So, they make the line USC favored by 2, encouraging all 50 sane betters to 
bet on Az., thus making the betting 50-50 overall.



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From: tonyf@rm1.interlan.com (Tony Fernandez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Open Question to Miami fans
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:22:40 GMT
Organization: Racal-Milgo, Sunrise, Florida

In article <1992Nov11.132751.4957@news.nd.edu>, rszczerb@okeefe.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>
>I'd like to hear some opinions from loyal Canes fans out there. 
>
>If Alabama stumbles and the rest of the top ten remains the same, do
>you think the Mighty Canes will play an undefeated Texas A&M team
>in the Cotton Bowl or, "chicken out" and play a once beaten Cornhusker
>team in their home stadium?
>
>		- inquiring minds want to know
>
>			rob

As a Hurricane fan, I truly think that they have a better chance of beating 
Texas A&M on the road than Nebraska at home.  This Nebraska team looks 
a lot better than last year's.  

If this comes about, I think that Miami might pass on the Cotton Bowl since
the money difference is quite significant, and that's before taking into
account travel expenses.  I hope that this can be avoided by the Cotton 
sweeting their payout as the Fiesta did in 1988 and 1989 in order to 
hold NC games.  The problem is that NBC (who I believe now has the rights
to the Cotton) will not have any incentive to increase the money amount
since the other option has Miami going to the Orange, also carried by NBC.
I would think that they would rather get higher ratings for the prime-time 
Orange than for the early afternoon Cotton.

By the way, I heard rumors of Notre Dame not wanting to play in the Orange.
Does anyone know if that is true and if so, why?  

-- 

Tony L. Fernandez

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From: aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman)
Subject: Stanford 23, U$C 9 (includes marching band stuff)
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: rec
Date:  9 Nov 92 00:34:18 GMT

Nice game...a few turnovers, a few nasty little penalties, but Steve
Stenstrom actually, for the first time in a month, made it through a
game without going out of the game with an injury.  He even managed to
complete a few passes.  

Which says more for USC's lack of a pass rush than for our offensive
line...

But it doesn't matter.  We beat USC at home for the first time since 1970.

Oh well.  Fun was had by all, particularly with the announcements of
the "USC Band Stats" during halftime.  I never saw a final tally, but
at halftime they had done Conquest 25 times, Fight On 19 times, some
other random song 6 times, and (the announcement that got our crowd cheering)
had played immediately after a USC score 0 times. :-)

Seriously -- why is it that the USC Band plays the same music over and
over again?  It's not just Conquest and Fight On (although those are
pretty bad) -- I heard them playing the same song they played for
either pregame or halftime during the third or fourth quarter.  Most
college bands I know of try to vary our song selection a bit, except
for the fight song(s), which are generally only played in their
entirety after scores.  You will rarely, for instance, hear the
Stanford Band play the same song twice from the pregame rallies to
the postgame tailgaters, again except for our fight songs.

Oh well...


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: creasman@cheshire.oxy.edu (Scott Michael Creasman)
Subject: Re: usc vs arizona
Keywords: surprising
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:16:25 GMT

In article <1drrceINN9om@agate.berkeley.edu> wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell) writes:

>I guess someone is still waiting for Arizona to choke and lose because
>USC is picked to win by 2.  I don't know what keeps Arizona down.  

Have you ever heard of media bias?

Scott
Organization: University Libraries - Technical Service, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:01:29 -0500 
From: "Susan R. Wagner" <sw39+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Nebraska's rival is KU?

>According to the CU fans, we must consider them a rival because of the goal-
>posts coming down after the NU-CU game.  Well, for the KU game we stormed the
>field and tried to tear'em down too (they were greased this time), but alas
>we failed.  So, I guess KU is our rival now?  I don't hear any KU fans out
>there saying that since we celebrated so much after the win over KU that we
>are their rivals, but in CU's book I guess we are your rivals now KU.
> 
>Conrad R. Castaneda
>U of Nebraska-Lincoln

I'm still trying to figure out why you tore the goal posts down after
the CU game!  So to add on, why *would* you tear down the posts after
the KU game?  You still haven't officially won the Big 8. According to
some of your fans, this is the only time you DO tear down goal posts! 
Which in previous years, was decided in the Oklahoma/Nebraksa game.  Or
was this just a pre-celebration of the Oklahoma game and since it is in
Norman, it was decided that the posts should come down and you can't
very well tear down Oklahoma's posts unless your Oklahoma.  Just curious.

Susan Wagner
Colorado Buffalo fan in Pittsburgh, PA
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:17:19 EST
From: <LNF@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Pepsi State vs. BYU, Marshall Faulk vs. BYU
 <73580@hydra.gatech.EDU>

In article <73580@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) says:
>
>BTW, Notre Dame - one of the best running teams in the country - was
>not even able to match Marshall Faulk's rushing total against
>BYU - they fell a few yards short.  ................................

I believe you are falsely assuming that ND tried to match the yarage.

Notre Dame waqs probably more inclined to put in the second
string and not attempt to break rushing records.

Speaking of which...My memories of last year's Notre Dame-Penn State game
had ND being crushed (on the scoreboard), yet Paterno still had the first
string in trying to run up the score.  I'll bet JoPa spends some time
thinking about this hoping Holtz forgot.  It could become a valuable
sportsmanship lesson for Paterno.

Larry
From: mike@spss.com (mike cornwall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: AP top 10 remaining games, Syracuse road to the top
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:13:20 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.


         11/14         11/21         11/28         12/6
         -------       -------       -------       -------
Miami    Temple        Syr           SDSU
(8-0)                  (10)
         ---------------------------------------------------
Alabama  Miss St                     Auburn        Flor/Georgia *
(9-0)    (16)                                      (11) (12)
         ---------------------------------------------------
Mich     Ill           Ohio St
(8-0-1)                (19)
         ---------------------------------------------------
TAMU     Houston       TCU           Texas
(9-0)                                     
         ---------------------------------------------------
Fl St    Tulane                      Florida
(8-1)                                (11)
         ---------------------------------------------------
Wash     Oreg St       Wash St
(8-1)                  (21)
         ---------------------------------------------------
Nebrska  Iowa St                     Okla          Kan St
(7-1)    
         ---------------------------------------------------
ND       Penn St                     So Cal
(7-1-1)  (22)                        (18)
         ---------------------------------------------------
Arizona  So Cal        Arizona St
(6-2-1)  (18)
         ---------------------------------------------------
Syr      Bost C        Miami
(8-1)    (17)          (1)
         ---------------------------------------------------

                     Team         Top 25 Remaining  
                     -------      ---------------- 
                     Syracuse      1 - 17
                     Alabama      11*- 16              * SEC championship
                     ND           18 - 22
                     Miami        10
                     Fl St        11
                     Arizona      18
                     Michigan     19
                     Washington   21
                     Nebraska      0
                     TAMU          0

If Syracuse wins their last 2 games and Alabama stumbles (2 BIG ifs),
could be Syracuse vs TAMU for the MNC. Michigan will loose in the Rose Bowl.

--
Mike Cornwall
mike@spss.com
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Shameless OSU woofing redux
Date: 10 Nov 92 09:26:06 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

	The pretenders continue to be weeded out.  (Of course before last week
I would have called ND a pretender :).

	I think Alabama deserves to be #1.  Best football in the nation at this
time.  Look for Alabama vs. Miami in the Sugar for national championship.  The
Rose Bowl's hopes for #1 vs. #2 (or even #3 or #4) have gone out the window. 
The best they can hope for now is a top 5 Michigan and top 10 Washington.

	Ohio State continues to improve.  After the fall from grace following
the Syracuse game, OSU looks better than ever.  (And I think Minnesota
deliberately trying to take Herbstreit out of the game is the worst example of
sportsmanship to date.)

	OSU needs to focus on Indiana next week, and not look ahead to
Michigan, lest Indiana surpise us again.

	OSU will be 8-2 going into the Michigan game.  If they are healthy, and
Cooper does his job motivating them (hell, anyone who can't motivate for
Michigan deserves a one way ticket to Arkansas), look for OSU to upset the team
up north 24-21.

	OSU: 9-2 into the Citrus Bowl.  10-2 out of the Citrus Bowl.

	Cooper leaves for Arkansas, having "proved" he can win.

	Bo knows Ohio State :).

Brett
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From: privat@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Jim Privat)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:07:10 GMT
Subject: UW, Arizona, & Miami
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college


A Washington fan's impressions of the UW-UA game and the
ensuing UW/UA/Miami debates I've seen in the last couple of
days:


Arizona is an extremely good team that played a great game
against Washington and deserved to win.  They played their
game plan to perfection -- play for field position, and be
patient, waiting for UW to make a mistake.  I was thoroughly
disappointed that UW lost, and lost their shot at another
national championship, but I don't feel bad about how they
lost or who they lost to.

I do think, however, that if Washington and Arizona played
each other 10 times, that Washington would win 6 or 7 of
the matchups.

I think that Dmitrius's (sp?) argument that the Miami/Arizona game
was close only because Miami didn't take Arizona seriously
and "probably didn't even practice for the game" is totally
bogus (sorry for not quoting directly from his posting, I don't
feel like going back to find it).  First, Arizona is a damn good
team, and would give Miami a run for their money even if Miami
knew they weren't a pushover.  Second, if a team doesn't bother
to try hard or get up for the "easy" games, that doesn't say
much about them either.

Miami, Arizona, and Washington are all damn good teams.  End
of story.

Flame as necessary.

Jim Privat
jimp@hpwss401.mayfield.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college,alt.licker.store
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Apple Cup (was Re: Washington vs. Arizona)
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:22:10 GMT

In article <26036@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)  
writes:
>  And the game is in Pullman.  Beware!

Don't fall asleep...

--
************* "How about a little fire, Scarecrow?" **************
Orin Day, Code 664.1                    oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov
Hughes STX/NASA       GSFC Laboratory for High Energy Astrophysics
*******"Think that this is NASA's opinion?   NO, NO, NO!!!" ******
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: SEC East shoots itself in the foot
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:10:40 GMT
Organization: Chevron

Jason "Raise Farah" Fawcett writes:
>
>| |> Why don't you ask the teams in the SEC why none of them will play 
>| |> Miami on the normal scheule.
>| 
>| Ask Miami why they won't ask Alabama to schedule them again.
>
>They did ask every team in the SEC to play this year.  The only team that
>even want to play was Auburn, which want both games at Auburn.  
>No one in the SEC would play at the Orange Bowl, even if they got one
>home game to.

Jason, could you PUUHHLEEZ get a little more specific with this 'they did ask
every team in the SEC' crap?  Factual even?  Seems to me the Canes could have
done it without asking simply by joining the SEC.  

Even so, why is it that when a team refuses to schedule (or continue a 
series with) another team, that team is a wuss?  FSU dropped LSU for the 
ACC schedule.  I, as a Tiger fan, hated to see it go.  Even though they
were something like 6-1 against us in the 80's, it was one I always circled 
on my calendar.....now, its no more "Wait til next year!"   

Seems to me, you yelling "CHICKEN!" at Bama is like the Tigers yelling
"CHICKEN!" at FSU.

HINT:  the SEC plays an 8-game schedule, plus traditional rivalries
(UGA-Ga Tech, LSU-A&M, UF-Fla St, Arkansas-Citadel :)).  What's wrong
with LSU scheduling a FAMU-type patsy to go along with 10 games that are
more or less locked in?  (Although I'd rather lose to Miami than CSU.)

>But, as soon as Miami gets rated #1 before the bowls,  every one wants
>Miami on NYD just to get a shot at the NC.

IMAGINE THAT!!!!!   The nerve of some teams!!!   What Top Five team
would, in their right minds, wanna play a #1 team on NYD???!????!!!!????!!!
Gee, you'd think it would help their MNC hopes or something!!

CLUE FOR YOU:  If Cincinnati was #1 on Dec 31, A&M and Bama just might be
courting her, too.

Hope this helps you.....


J.J.(doubt it) Clyde
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