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From: JDRUM00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU
Subject: Re: moreta and orlith
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:11:41 GMT

> How was Fnor able to visualize a planet from space (Pern) to return           d Star.
> from the Red Star.
  ^^^^
The question was FROM the Star, not to. F'nor and Canth looked through
the viewer at cloud formations to get TO the Red Star (hard to type
that out even though I know there aren't any fire-lizards around :) ),
but that's because they didn't have any better reference points. If
they had had a picture of a surface feature, they would have popped
straight to within a few hundred feet of the surface, like dragons
do normally. It was because they only had the cloud formation to work
from that they came out in the upper atmosphere and were scored. On the
way BACK to Pern, they used the same visualization they always had, of
a point high above Benden Weyr. They didn't need a picture of Pern.
 
=-=-> Jennifer Drummond
      a.k.a. jdrum00@ricevm1.rice.edu
      a.a.k.a. Jedra, PernMUSH
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 13:41:50 EST
From: Me, silly! <JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: I can't get into PernMUSH!

I tried getting into PernMUSH today on the new machine...it gave me a new
screen...something to the effect of Pern MUSH MUD Server and the version and
a login prompt.  I typed in my character's name and my password, and it would
not let me in...did I do something wrong or is the new machine just acting up?
I'll try later today, since I have some RL work to do, but somebody either post
a reply or just email me direct.

Cheers,
Jean
aka Varoni on PernMUSH
From: v115p8d6@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (she listens like her head's on fire..)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Robinton & Film Comments
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:33:00 GMT
Followup-To: alt.fan.pern
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>There were also suggestions on Peter O'Toole for the part, due to his 
>ability to do 'drunk' well.  It occurs to me that during the entire 
>series, I'd never seen Robinton drunk.  Slightly tipsy, once, from
>attempting to drink Lytol under the table (ref: Jaxom's Impression), but
>never actually drunk.  While it's fairly clearly stated that he liked 
>his wine - specifically, Benden Red - it never says he drinks to excess. 
>Nor does it really imply it - more that he's a 'gourmet'.
>	It's been a while since I've read the books, so there might
>be a memory hole.. Anyone care to support or kill this?


Well, I suggested Peter O'Toole for Robinton but not because he does
drunks well! I like his speaking voice and he has the sort of ...flamboyant
air around him that I think would be somewhat suitable. Robinton always struck
me as someone with a flair for the dramatic.:-)


> 
>Tabbi
> 
> 
>-- 
>May the Great Spirit grant you peace of mind,      |  Quote will be
>May the peace be there in all the things you find, |  attributed when
>May the peace be there in all you leave behind.    |  I find the ref.
>	      The tabbifli - tabbifli@seismo.soar.cs.cmu.edu
From: julius@cco.caltech.edu (julius yang)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: PernMUSH players: The Old Days Were Good!
Date: 5 Nov 1992 16:26:02 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

lwl@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Lydia Leong) writes:

>In article <92Nov04.204258.30413@acs.ucalgary.ca> 
>   jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:
>>I started something similar to this last year... only it was more
>>of a 'history of Pern MU*ing' in general. Amberyl was very helpful.

>Well, I actually ran across J'shua's summary of my History of the PernMUDs
>story, while I was cleaning out my account yesterday.  :)  It's dated 
>December of 1991, so it's somewhat out of date. It also contains an awful
>lot of second-hand information (mostly about TinyTIM's Telgar, CWRU's
>Tiglath, and the old Andiyar Weyr).

>I'm somewhat tempted to write up "The First Year of PernMUSH", as told
>by my collected logs. If there's sufficient interest, I'll get around to
>doing it, one of these days (Winter Break?)

Sufficient interest exists on my part. :) Seriously, I think that one of 
the best aspects about PernMUSH is an actual history (both player-created
and of course Anne-created) which defines a lot of the atmosphere.  Having
something like a chronological outline of Pern's 10th Interval (izzat right?)
would go a long way towards developing newbie interest, in my opinion.
And it would make for downright amusing reading in parts, if your log quotes
are any indication!
-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
julius yang                     . "I've heard that sperm are high in
julius@sandman.cco.caltech.edu  .  calories--I'm on a gain weight diet, by
julius@iago.caltech.edu         .  the way."                    -A friend
From: cmiller@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Catherine Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Dragon sculpture
Date: 10 Nov 92 12:34:19 GMT
Reply-To: cmiller@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Catherine Miller)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Help!

    I need some advice, and this seemed like the perfect
newsgroup to ask...


    About 4 years ago, while wandering around the Maryland
Renaissance Festival (a must see if you're ever in the neighborhood
during September), I came across a sculpture of a dragon
emerging from its shell.  It was bronze, about 10" high, sitting
on a green marble base.  It was entitled (appropriately enough)
"The Hatchling".

    I wanted it immediately.  However, I was a poor starving
student at the time and could not afford the MERE $875 the little
beauty cost.  I promised myself that after I graduated and became
a rich engineer I would buy it.

    Well, I'm now an engineer, but these days, nobody seems to
be rich.  I saw the sculpture again (this one was #51 of 250
that are going to be cast), and still couldn't bring myself
to fork over the MERE $895 it now costs.

    Which brings me to the point of this (finally).  Has anyone
ever seen or heard of this particular piece of art?  I was told
the artist (whose name slips my mind) is up to #70, or so.
Obviously, these things aren't selling like hotcakes, which
isn't surprising, considering the price.

    I have very little sense of the worth of art.  If anyone has
info on "The Hatchling", or an idea if this price is way out
in left field, I would really appreciate you sending what
you know in my direction.

    Thanks.

			Cat


__________

     "Only the mediocre are always at their best."
		   Stuart (Not A Liscensed Therapist) Smalley
__________
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: u9042067@cs.uow.edu.au (Lee Lorraine Smith)
Subject: Re: dragon names
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:14:26 GMT

scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis) writes:

>In article 23828@cs.uow.edu.au, u9042067@cs.uow.edu.au (Lee Lorraine Smith) writes:
>> 
>> >Xanth - the myth understood dragon 
>> 
>> What has the land of Xanth got to do with Pern?
>> 		     \_ Pier's Anthony	  \_ Anne McCaffrey


>it was a joke ... ]
>oh boy u try to get a little pun on the thread and forget it people flambe' u.
>geez i give up. 
>---
>Steve C. 

Hey it wasn't a flame just a simple inocent question :-) honest.

--
Lee.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: fscem1@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: AtWoP **SPOILERS!!!**
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:31:31 GMT



	I just finally got and read _All the Weyrs of Pern_...

	A toast to the Masterharper and Aivas.  May their dream go on.

	*sigh*

Cheers, 
Catie
From: mcmurtrey@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Painting a bronze! Help!
Date: 11 Nov 92 12:36:29 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Nov10.103156.1773@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, z_coolidgeas@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
> I'm making a bronze firelizard.  I've already made a brown and a green, so
> what's the problem: How do you paint a bronze??
> 
> I've heard it emphasized several times that bronzes and golds are not metallic
> (unlike the Dragons in Dragonlance).  I already get a hint how to paint a gold
> (sort of) from Micheal Whelan's cover painting of MORETA, but I'm not happy
> with similiar covers with bronzes since they still look pretty brown to me.
> 
> Help! Help!
> 
> --Akane

        Are you talking ceramic, oil, water ???

        On a ceramic and on an oil painting I did I put down a coat of black
first let it dry thuroughly.  On the ceramic I then carefully and very lightly
dry brushed various colors (red, brown, yellow, gold, silver, purple etc) onto
the surface after playing with it for a while I got a somewhat bronze although
metallic finish.  My cat thinks its some sort of snake and hates it... She
actually slaps it on the nose (its got glass eyes)


        As far a painting goes I went over the black with coats of red and
brown and again mixed in a variety of bright colors to give it a sheen.  I
admit a few attempts ended with a grey muddy dragon.  I finally ended up with a
...ummm.... halfway bronze.  I not sure I could do it again.  sorry....

        You got me on watercolors....

        Good luck........

                                                Diana



>
From: jturner@lonestar.utsa.edu (John M. Turner)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: ATWoP available in paperback
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:58:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In case anyone's interested, _All the Weyrs of Pern_ is now out
in paperback in the United States. (For us cheap people :-) )

John Turner
jturner@lonestar.utsa.edu
From: bethmo@microsoft.com (Beth Moursund)
Subject: Re: Pern Wars:Attack of the OldTimers
Date: 09 Nov 92 23:31:13 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1689614471.JDRUM00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU> JDRUM00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU writes:
>P.S. -- Actually, I've been wondering for a while exactly how long
>I HAVE been on Pern...I remember that I created a character to go
>watch Iriniath's mating flight about this time in 1991. Does anyone
>(well, Annalyn in particular :) ) have a decent date for this event,

Iriniath was hatched almost exactly 1 RL year ago (Sunday of 2nd weekend
in November).  Her mating flight was in January (I don't remember just
when), and her first clutch hatched the first Wednesday in March.

She will be rising again this coming Saturday, Nov. 14, at 3 EST;
this flight will determine F'jon's successor as Igen Weyrleader
and all eligible bronzes are invited to try their luck.

  - Annalyn, rider of proddy gold, so watch out!  :-)
From: z_coolidgeas@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Painting a bronze! Help!
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:31:56 GMT
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

I'm making a bronze firelizard.  I've already made a brown and a green, so
what's the problem: How do you paint a bronze??

I've heard it emphasized several times that bronzes and golds are not metallic
(unlike the Dragons in Dragonlance).  I already get a hint how to paint a gold
(sort of) from Micheal Whelan's cover painting of MORETA, but I'm not happy
with similiar covers with bronzes since they still look pretty brown to me.

Help! Help!

--Akane
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: kewasiel@unix.amherst.edu (They call me Ren)
Subject: Re: moreta and orlith
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:55:55 GMT

Steve Carrobis (scarrobi@shearson.com) wrote:
: if i remember correctly to get to the red star he visualized the gray 
: landmass seen from pern.
: 
: ---
: Steve C. 

no, actually he visualized one of the cloud formations he saw through the 
viewer.

karen
--
     kewasiel@cs.amherst.edu	_|_    "the philosophers have only interpreted
   kewasiel@unix.amherst.edu	 |      the world, in various ways; the point,
kewasielewsk@amh.amherst.edu	 |      however, is to change it."    -k. marx

Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: bchoinsk@nyx.cs.du.edu (Burton Choinski)
Subject: Re: Dragons' deaths & *between*
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 14:32:59 GMT

Ctrl-L attempt here...

In article <92Nov07.054005.17855@acs.ucalgary.ca> jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:
>Take a laptop computer, feed in star maps, hop in a space-suit
>and get one for your dragon, Between into space, dial up a view
>from Earth orbit, and spend several days in Between, with no
>sensations, on your way to Earth. I think it'd work. :) You'd
>want to make small (say, 10ly) jumps of a few hours, so as not to
>go completely nuts. But I think its a reasonable post-AWTOP
>future.

After reading ATWoP, I did a few calculations.  Avias said it was an 
exponential distance for liner time (or atleast, that's what the few 
numbers presented semed to indicate).  Using that as a base line, I
guestimated that the Dragons have a range of about a million LY in that 
15 minutes of maximum between time.  And I erred HEAVILY on the conservative
side when I did the numbers.

    -- Burton (S'rel @ PernMUSH)
From: morpheus@cco.caltech.edu (Kynn Bartlett)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: ATHOP
Date: 10 Nov 1992 02:45:16 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu


That would be _All the Holds of Pern_, eh?

Cool.  Hope Brum is in it.


     ___________                                             ___________
     |         |             M A L A C H I T E               |         |
     |   '"'   |                                             |   '"'   |
     |  '"""'  |                 Brum Hold                   |  '"""'  |
     |  """""  |                                             |  """""  |
      \'"""""'/           morpheus@cco.caltech.edu            \'"""""'/
       \_____/   "Yo he yo!"                 "Rice is Nice!"   \_____/
From: hamners@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (stephen t hamner )
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Rumors
Date: 12 Nov 92 09:11:02 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

I heard a pair of rather odd rumors the other day that I'd like to hear
confirmed or squashed, if some kind soul could help.

Rumor #1: Anne McCafferey is gay.  Not like it matters one bit, but it's
not something you read about on the back cover of _The White Dragon_, eh?

Rumor #2: Anne McCafferey is dead.  She died 2 months ago.  Someone, please
say it isn't so.  This woman is absolutely hands down one of my favorite
authors and her death would be an unparalleled (sp?) loss to the modern
sci-fi literature community.  <-- Lots of $.50 words.

Someone please squash or confirm these.  Otherwise I'll never get to sleep
at night!  :)

-Stephen Hamner
stephen@glia.biostr.washington.edu
hamners@GAS.uug.arizona.edu
hamner@hacks.arizona.edu

hamner@hacks.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: stanley@plains (Brian Stanley)
Subject: PernMUSH: The Return of Brendon
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:26:08 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Actually, the subject line is a trifle premature.  Just my optimistic
nature rearing its repulsively cute head.  I'm still trying to work
around the 'telnet to ports not allowed' message my new node keeps
awarding me for all my efforts to rejoin all my old friends.

Remember these days?

'Oh.  Was that *your* lady?  [nervous grin]'
'If I weren't so cute, you could resist me...'
'But I'm the Flirtcraftsecond--it's my duty!'
'But, Master RosaLil, it was just *one* little tunnelsnake...'
'Oops! Just pass that message to your lady for me.  So sorry.'
'Master Malachite!  How ...uh... nice to see you again!  Well, gotta run!'

Ah, the fond memories of yesterday...

So, if you'd like to relive the 'good old days' of Pern, just send me either
some way to evade that 'not allowed' business or an account somewhere I
can telnet into the default port and thence to Pern.  :)

But even if you don't miss me enough to help me rejoin you, I still miss
you all (even Master Malachite, for some bizarre, masochistic reason I
cannot fathom).  Feel free to write.  I'm very friendly and only bite
on request.

ex-Brendon, formerly on PernMUSH
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From: julius@cco.caltech.edu (julius yang)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: MUSH/MUSE/MWhatever and Elitism... Newbies...
Date: 7 Nov 1992 00:43:19 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

Edward.L.Wallace@dartmouth.edu (Edward L. Wallace) writes:

[Too bad people are cliquish and that sometimes players on MU* treat newbies
badly. No names named. :)]

I think some of the people who complain that their newbie characters are
treated badly simply happen to stumble upon a situation (A tinyplot or a
fascinating RL discussion) in which they simply can't contribute, and
anything they say is ignored in favor of responding to a more established
player's (presumably cogent) point.  

I don't deny that rudeness exists, and I personally have ignored Guest 
and other people who wander into the middle of an interesting situation 
(This happened the other night when Amberyl was telling me history in 
the courtyard and what appeared to be a tinyplot and Guest and some friend 
of someone not in the conversation appeared all occurred at the same time.  
I promptly ignored all three and pumped Amberyl for more anecdotes.)  But 
at the same time it's really darned hard to talk to a newbie when he/she 
just sits in the hangout (on PernMUSH) and listens.  (As I recall, Falryx 
was a pretty quiet lurker :)  I often ask them where they are from IC 
(since we have a nifty Birthplace thingy courtesy of RosaLil), and try to 
start a conversation, but it often peters out.  It's simply hard for 
someone new to immediately jump into the flow of things in terms of 
roleplaying, IMHO.

F'zik says "And hey, the obnoxious newbies get noticed right away!"
Ambar turns F'zik into a slimy little toad.
F'zik has disconnected.
-- 
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julius yang                     . "I've heard that sperm are high in
julius@sandman.cco.caltech.edu  .  calories--I'm on a gain weight diet, by
julius@iago.caltech.edu         .  the way."                    -A friend
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:53:07 EST
From: Me, silly! <JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Can you access PernMUSH from a telnet system?

In article <1992Nov11.212200.28468@u.washington.edu>,
dunk@carson.u.washington.edu (John Dunkelburg) says:

>I am currently operating from a telnet system, and I tried to
>get into the PernMUSH but the system wouldn't even acknowledge
>that such an address existed.   Is PernMUSH inaccessible from
>a telnet network, or am I simply out of luck?

I use a telnet system, and it works fine, when I remember to use the port
number :)  Without seeing how you're trying to get in, I really couldn't
tell ya what the problem is.
Suggestions:  Use the port number
              Make sure you're using pern.pc.cs.cmu.edu 4201.  You might
                  be trying to get into the old site.
That's all I can think of right now.  Hope it helps.
Cheers,
Varoni on PernMUSH
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: JDRUM00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU
Subject: Re: Pern Wars:Attack of the OldTimers
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:04:12 GMT

Well...this is closer than I ever wanted to get to a 'me too' post,
but: hear, hear about PernWars being posted here, and a big rousing
cheer for all the newbie-helpers and recruiters on PernMUSH. I'm
one of those midrange players, having logged on just at a year ago,
and I remember most of the things referenced in PernWars. I think
that even if I didn't, I'd have a wonderful time having someone
explain them to me...'in jokes' are only in jokes as long as you
don't ask about them! And kudos to Michael W. Duggan for his post;
even though I'm STILL just an apprentice in the Smithcraft, it's
not for want of encouragement from above!
 
There's my warm fuzzies for the week. :)
 
=-=-> Jennifer Drummond
      a.k.a. jdrum00@ricevm1.rice.edu
      a.a.k.a. Jedra, PernMUSH
 
P.S. -- Actually, I've been wondering for a while exactly how long
I HAVE been on Pern...I remember that I created a character to go
watch Iriniath's mating flight about this time in 1991. Does anyone
(well, Annalyn in particular :) ) have a decent date for this event,
since it seems that there are quite a few dedicated loggers among us?
Thanks...email would be good for this, I imagine; I doubt throngs
of people are breathlessly awaiting the reply. :) =-=-> Jedra
From: savoia@sw.stratus.com (Rick Savoia)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Can you access PernMUSH from a telnet system?
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:35:39 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: watts.sqa.stratus.com

In article <92316.175307JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu>, JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu (Me, silly!) writes:
> In article <1992Nov11.212200.28468@u.washington.edu>,
> dunk@carson.u.washington.edu (John Dunkelburg) says:
> 
> >I am currently operating from a telnet system, and I tried to
> >get into the PernMUSH but the system wouldn't even acknowledge
> >that such an address existed.   Is PernMUSH inaccessible from
> >a telnet network, or am I simply out of luck?
> 
> I use a telnet system, and it works fine, when I remember to use the port
> number :)  Without seeing how you're trying to get in, I really couldn't
> tell ya what the problem is.
> Suggestions:  Use the port number
>               Make sure you're using pern.pc.cs.cmu.edu 4201.  You might


Bettery yet use 128.2.250.30 4201, instead.  Machine names
don't work on my system because the names are not 
acknowledged anywhere.  I have to use the actual IP 
numbers.  If your system doesn't have pern.pc.cs.cmu.edu 
listed with it's IP numbers, you can try to telnet all 
you want, but you'll never get there.  Try the IPs. They
should work.

Resav
-- 
==========================================================
Rick Savoia                     | "I'm just very selective
savoia@watts.sqa.stratus.com    | about the reality 
Rick_Savoia@vos.stratus.com     | I accept" - Calvin
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.nathan.brazil
From: fate@eskimo.celestial.com (Craig Stykel)
Subject: Re: More Novels ?
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 09:05:17 GMT

mcsbc3maw@dct.ac.uk writes:
> 
> 
> 
>   Does anyone know if there are any more books
>  after ' Midnight at the well of souls ' ?
There are 4 others, problem is I can't to my copies of them to give the
titles.
I suggest going to second hand book stores to find them.
Thats how I found them...
  fate@eskimo.celestial.com
Newsgroups: alt.fan.nathan.brazil