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From: bliss32@terapin.com (Geoff Schmidt)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Industial Music and the opinions of this reader
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:48:20 GMT
Organization: BBS

Reznor:

        The new album is still awsome, even if it is more puck then indust.
Trents still making good stuff...

 bliss
From: millere@frith.msu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: casting Armitage
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:04:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering
Originator: millere@frith.egr.msu.edu

When I read the novel I pictured Rutger Hauer as being Armitage.
From: CS341A002@Husky1.StMarys.Ca (Loki)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: U2
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:10:11 GMT
Organization: The Underground
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Actually, how about Warren Zevon? His Tranverse City album has some obvious
SF influences and a few somewhat CP oriented songs (notably the title
track, Long Arm of the Law, and Gridlock)...

           Most commonly known as Loki, occasionally sysop of TWWOL
      SCA: Brynjolfr Myrkjartanarson, founder of the Compaignie Mercurie
        The Net: cs341a002@husky1.stmarys.ca, cs341a002@stmarys.bitnet

Random Quote of the Day:
Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things.

                --- United States Vice President Dan Quayle
From: crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Anger in Cyberpunk
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:48:18 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <pvanheus.719133311@frodo>, pvanheus@frodo.cs.uct.ac.za (P A van Heusden) writes:

> 
> What I've found strange about all these authors is that while there is much
> activity towards freedom, in fact the protagonist is often on a freedom trip,
> though most often freedom through escape into a medium such as the Net or
> being jacked into a panzer, there is little anger. Like, noone is standing 
> there and saying 'Fuck the Corps!'. I wonder why? The prime emotions seem to
> be the burning aesthetic of Tech, and the cold sadness of defeat. This pattern
> occurs in both Neuromancer and Hardwired. Basically it is the up and running
> cowboys, burning around the galaxy of burnt out has beens. Again - sadness,
> no anger. Why? I sure am angry at the corps, at the people who are screwing
> our world so drastically. Sure, I love running through the Net as it is now, 
> the sheer adrenaline rush of having the Net as an extra sense, but that's not
> the be and end all of life. Anyway: Has anyone else noticed this pattern, and
> does anyone know why it is so?
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> --
> *******************************************************************************
> Peter van Heusden              "The extreme always makes an impression"


I think I've heard it referred to as post-post-modern nihilism. Francisco
Varela talks about it in his book from MIT Press, callled *The Mind
Embodied.* It's like a culture that's heavily object-oriented, and when
the gratification supposed to inhere in object-getting doesn't happen,
then this nihilistic lassitude comes down.

If you recall in *Neuromancer* Case DID access his rage at one point, and
liked the experience, but he had trouble holding onto it. I thought it was
interesting, the contrast between Case's passivity/nihilism and Molly's
raw,uninhibited, dynamics.

Regards, Lou
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From: space2@hardy.u.washington.edu (Tim)
Subject: Re: bOING bOING (was Re: Other cyber/industrial zines)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:01:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.223425.15711@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.034803.4082@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
>nninja@nyx.cs.du.edu (Net Ninja) writes: 
>|
>|Could you please give info about the following?
>|
>|2. I keep hearing about this "cyberpunk" zine Boing-Boing... Is this worth
>|   checking out?  What is it's focus(es) and how does it differ from Mondo?
>
>bOING bOING is much more of a groundcore level 'zine than the
>glossy-eyed Mondo...More of a cp-fanzine really...The last issue I saw
>had an interview with Lewis Shiner....Ummm, I guess it's worth it, but
>both Mondo and bOING seem to be somewhat lacking in
>hardcore-info-presenting...

Just to follow this up a bit: The latest bOING is #9 and it has an interview 
with Bruce Sterling (a couple VERY interesting things he says - but I'll
let you check it out yourself), A-life stuff, article on the Robot Group,
and some other interesting reviews and stuff. Not to mention the great MONDO
parody of the back cover and the last 5 or so pages.. true ROFLMAO material.

-Tim
From: mimir@stein.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Subject: Re: CP Mags (Summary)
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:30:33 GMT

In article <Bw7oxr.8Gu@dei.unipd.it> cabal@sabrina.dei.unipd.it (Gianluca Donato 342139/IF) writes:
>
>One of the best sources for counter-culture tech and thought is those 
>wonderful hippies/techies who brought you the Whole Earth Catalog. Now 
>their 'zine is called COEVOLUTION QUARTERLY and it's great: gizmos, 
>sociology, architecture, logical technology, and computer whizz-bang. 

 Actually, CQ was renamed THE WHOLE EARTH REVIEW about 8 years ago. What
igloo have you been living in?

Wassail,
Al

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From: wendell.martin@the-matrix.com (Wendell Martin)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: RE: B. STERLING
Date: 8 Oct 92 08:57:00 GMT
Reply-To: wendell.martin@the-matrix.com (Wendell Martin)
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016

Re: your recent complaint about a psuvm post...

Granted, the grammar and syntax were less than kosher (to put it
mildly), but the contention was valid (IMHO): Sterling isn't a great
writer.  He's accepted as a great CP author, but his style is sleepy.
Walter Jon Williams and Gibson may have shortcomings, but they aren't
sleepy.  Remember, this is a branch of SF - presentation is more
important than "literature."  Hemingway could have written CP; Melville
couldn't.

Wendell Martin
From: jessec@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Lewis Shiner?
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:38:48 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Oct14.223425.15711@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, 
ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) writes: 
> bOING bOING is much more of a groundcore level 'zine than the
> glossy-eyed Mondo...More of a cp-fanzine really...The last issue I saw
> had an interview with Lewis Shiner....

   Hmm.  Zatso? Last I heard (April 92 article by Thomas Disch), Shiner 
had dramatically distanced himself from cyberpunk, or cyber-anything... 
Interesting.


   --Jesse.
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From: mike@highlite.uucp (Mike Wiik)
Subject: Re: mondo 2000 #7 and tec
Organization: Gotham Communications Research
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:24:31 GMT

"eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com> writes:

>On 10-05-92 SALAMANDER~ wrote:
>SM2K's
>Sthe best source o'dat shit that I can find...and I _am_ impressed...
>S
>SMarc
>S
>SPS.  Lighten up, huh?

>Your post is the best argument for the merits of Thomas
>Bredehoft's comments, IMHO. It's too bad you can only find
>intelligent discussion an impediment to the enjoyment of life.
>Who was it said that the mind, like any other muscle, atrophies
>from disuse? Get some exercise!

Per Rudy Rucker, it's a matter of speed and info-density. The
original critique was just too long and plain wrong. It's hard
to try to take M2K seriously, and kind of sad in a way, too...

	-Mike

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From: dcohan@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Re: beyond _MIRRORSHADES_
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:40:22 GMT

> Though I should know better than to ask such questions, what did you
> find disappointing in that ending?

I was very intrigued by the notion that after neural implants into a
human subject caused that subject to not get along with himself.  Meaning:
in the cyberpunk genre of sf, we're always hearing about implants being
done and everything is peachy-keen, no problems attached.  Your short 
story, _Snake Eyes_, was the first to explore the notion that the 
integration of man and machine might not go so smoothly, and that the 
man might reject the machine or vice versa.

I was dissapointed because I didnt want George Jordan to live.  I found
that having him "conquer" the snake (or cat) and find a soulmate in the
process very dissastifying.  Kind of hollywoodish (no offense intented)
ending where things "work out".  I suppose I wanted a gloomier ending,
with the prospects of neural implants carrying a certain amount of 
uncertainty and danger with them.

Perhaps I was looking for something in your story that wasn't what you
intended, and if so, I appologize for my earlier remark.

-dEBBIE
From: msyrak@ruc.dk (Mads Syrak Larsen)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Looking for Inet-worm articles
Keywords: Internetworm Morris security
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:50:11 GMT
Organization: Roskilde Universitetscenter, Danmark

Hi!

We are a group of students at the university of Roskilde, Denmark.

We are writing on a thesis about internet security, and especially the
internet Worm. We have, however, had a hard time finding material on this
subject, so we would very much appreciate it if someone could help us
with references to books/articles or papers on the subject(s).

Thanks in advance..


Mads Larsen       Jesper Voetmann       Tina Sparre
msyrak@ruc.dk     jesperv@ruc.dk        sparre@ruc.dk

Snail-Mail:

Internet-gruppen, Mads, Tina og Jesper
Datalogi, hus 20.2
Roskilde universitetscenter
postbox 260
DK-4000 Roskilde
Denmark
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From: joe@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Question Authority)
Subject: Re: Judge Dredd
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:50:55 GMT
Distribution: alt.cyberpunk
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523


	Anthrax did a song about JD a few years ago.  It's called "I Am The Law" it's on their Among The Living CD.  It's not too bad actually.

	Just a little interesting tidbit.


			jOe


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From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy)
Subject: Re: U2
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 22:37:47 GMT

In article <424@tnl.com> cobb@tnl.com (john cobb) writes:
|<1992Oct9.024448.24496@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
| 
|he went to the bathroom, so now we can talk.  i hate the
|food he gives me.  same old thing, one can in the morning,
|a little 'dry food' which actually tastes like it looks -
|cardboard.
|you'd think he would get me a lobster or something - i'm
|feline and feline's historically like seafood.  but no.
|crap from a can.
|-
|could someone write him and tell him it's ok to warm up cat food
|while it's still in the can in the microwave?  i'll watch his fat
|a.. jump when the sparks fly.   it's cold in this house and he
|won't turn the heat on.
|-
|and for the rest of you with cats - ever smell that stuff you've
|been feeding us?  think we like it?

just say no, man...

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From: jan_b@lysator.liu.se (Jan Besehanic)
Subject: Re: U2
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:47:55 GMT

ag625@yfn.ysu.edu (George M. Gruschow) writes:


>I don't think that U2 is a cyberpunk band, but the Zepplin might
>be, I'm not quite sure what my definition of CP band will be,
>but I'm giving the Information Society a 100% of being included
>in it. Just look at their latest album, "HACK", with the pic of a
>beat up car on the front, and a series of pictures of the members
>sitting in front of torn apart computers and spray painted skulls
>... That will easily fit in... -George Gruschow

>-- 
>Call yourself a true magician eh? Answer me this:
>	Have you ever logged on the Internet,
>	From your calculator?? 
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ah, where would we be without Hewlett-Packard and their pocket-computers?
Yes, the HP48SX is a nice piece of hardware, but to call it a calculator 
is a bit like calling the Internet a better version of Fidonet...
Unless you've got an ISDN-plug connected to your TI-57, that is.

/Jan

       
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From: houk@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joshua Houk)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Agrippa News
Date: 10 Oct 92 15:46:09 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Oct10.141451.29817@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (pinkerton floyd) writes:
>In article <1992Oct10.070803.10575@netcom.com> tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox) writes:
>|
>|	Gibson says that "Agrippa" hasn't been cracked yet because it hasn't
>|been *released*.  Sometime soon, I didn't get the date, there's apparently 
>|to be a party at The Kitchen, a performance art place in New York City,
>|where "Agrippa" will be read off a huge scrolling screen by Penn Jillette,
>|who will not have seen the text before.
>
>No, no, no...I thought he said it was going to be read by Teller!  :)
>
>At any rate, why the hell have it read by Penn....Sarcasm personified,
>he'll probably make 8 million jokes as he reads it, whether relavant
>or irrelevant.  Hmm, for some reason :), that aspect of this scenario
>sounds completely bogus to me....

Actually - it makes more sense than you think... Penn Jillette has done
stuff on a non-jokey level... He has a long relationship with the
Residents and Ralph Records (he hosted their 10th anniversary show
way back in '82), and, if I'm thinking right, had something to
do with 50,000........000 Watts Records. This guy is more than
a practical joker...!

Joshua Houk

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From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy)
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk and the rave scene
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 22:55:13 GMT

In article <1bg232INNnvd@agate.berkeley.edu> peterme@ocf.berkeley.edu
(Peter Merholz) writes: 

|Let me begin by professing my neophyte-ness in cyberpunk and the 
|rave scene... However, I do read MONDO, which seems to be a mix 

The last Mondo, #7, was the first issue to really mention it at any
length worth mentioning...I don't think Mondo is really a mix of cp
and rave, more of a new-edge/technoculture magazine...

If you're thinking of following-up right now, please think twice about
the "Are you really sure..." part....

|of the two... And I just went to a rave (the pathetic occurrence
|that it is), and though, "Gee, aren't people into cyberpunk going
|to be too cynical for this happy colorful video glossy rave scene?"
|Are the two connected? 

Well, a lot of people that are into
cp-as-cultural-phenom-AND-sf-literary-genre are into raves....Like
myself.. I still go to as many raves as I can...But, then again, I
don't fid cyberpunk as depressing as you seem to (meaning the
possibilities of cp-as-culture or cp-as-little-more-than-genre)...

I don't think that cyberpunk has to be depressing, or dark,
necessarily - I don't find a lot of Bruce Sterling's work as dark
(first author that came to mind)...

As far as raves are concerned, don't think about it - just go and have
fun - that's what it's all about...(besides the hokey-pokey)....

BTW - a lot of raves these days aren't worth it (at least in CA from
what I've read on sfraves)....the spirit *does* seem to be dying down
as it gets more popular and a wider group attends (no flames please),
but this was bound to happen anyway, and if you do't think it has,
then it probably willeventually before raves transform into something
else (but hopefully they won't).....

|Just curious
|
|--Peter M.

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From: pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Patrick C Leger)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: neuromancer the movie?
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:05:36 GMT
 <1992Oct9.182509.3019@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
 <1992Oct12.094236.24398@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au>
	<92286.090502BDA108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I dunno...For Armitage, maybe if Arnold Schwarznegger lost his accent and
bleached his hair, it'd work...Of course, he'd have to be the center of the
movie, then, but oh well... :)

Chris
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From: morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Greetings
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 15:06:06 EDT
Organization: the pickle factory at Langley, Virginia

sehst3@cislabs.pitt.edu (Sean Horner) writes:

>       I am sehst3.  Call me Skitz.
> 
> 	I wish to communicate with you.

So, how about those Giants?


                        --  morpheus@entropy.mcds.com --
               Don't open your eyes, you won't like what you see.
                   The blind have been blessed with security.
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From: dcohan@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Re: SNAKE EYES (was Beyond Mirrorshades)
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:18:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.114905.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>, crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu writes: 
> This is an interesting thread, so I hope you two don't mind if I jump in.
> Debbie, my take was not so much that George conquered the snake (or cat)
> as that he *adapted.* One of the stages of the adapatation was his
> thing of exhibiting that he would be willing to die, rather than let the
> machine part completely dominate. In a sense,it was a process of
> *taming.* 
> 
Point well taken.  I guess this was a point that necessitated clarification.
However, I still do feel that in today's (and yesterdays) literature, there
is this carefree "oh sure, the moment biochips become available, ill slam
them into my skull no problem".  There is, in my view, a certain amount of
irresponsibility in sf authors who assume that there won't be some possible
rejection on the patient's part, either psychologically (as in George Jordan)
or physically.
	 I suppose that one possible answer, a "catch-all" imho,is that
technology will have become *so* far advanced that all this silly stuff
about the human organism rejecting implants, neural or otherwise, is pure
sillyness.  In a later story in _Mirrorshades_, "Stone Lives", our dubious
hero gets his eyes replaced, and we hear a little bit about his trauma
of reajusting to "perfect" sight (sidebar:  throwing an EMP into the story,
knocking out Stone's vision, was a peculiar but interesting idea). Perhaps
not intuitive to Gibson's style of writing (ie stopping to explain what
the f*ck is going on), is Gibson's introduction of Molly in _Neuromancer_
with her adapted vision, where he neglected to tell the readers whether
she was put through any "discomfort" when she switched over to mirrorshades-
like eyes and bladed fingers.

> Maybe finding luv in the process was a bit much, but then again maybe not.
> Mating is fundamental to an organism between certain ages, and if George
> could not have had the possibility of successfully mating, then his
> *adaptation* would not have been viewed as totally successful either.
> Or, indeed, his taming of the snake -- which, after all, was what the
> story was about.
> 
> Regards, Lou
> 
	I guess I don't quite follow you here.  I'm unsure of the relationship
between George's successful mating with Lizzie (?) and his adaptation of the
snake...George taught the snake that he would rather die than let it control
him, but I dont see how sexual intercourse would have taught the snake to 
back off.  The snake tapped into George's more basic instincts, but if George
followed them then he would be succumbing to the snake and its influences.

-debbie
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From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (the cultural elite)
Subject: Re: B. STERLING
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 23:17:34 GMT

In article <BvuypG.8CM@rice.edu> ratner@owlnet.rice.edu (Logan Joshua
Ratner) writes: 
|In article <2421.403.uupcb@the-matrix.com>
|wendell.martin@the-matrix.com (Wendell Martin)  writes: 
|>Re: your recent complaint about a psuvm post...
|>
|>Granted, the grammar and syntax were less than kosher (to put it
|>mildly), but the contention was valid (IMHO): Sterling isn't a great
|>writer.  He's accepted as a great CP author, but his style is sleepy.
|>Walter Jon Williams and Gibson may have shortcomings, but they aren't
|>sleepy.  Remember, this is a branch of SF - presentation is more
|>important than "literature."  Hemingway could have written CP; Melville
|>couldn't.
|>
|>Wendell Martin
|
|I've got to disagree here.  If Melville were around today, Moby Dick
|would have been a brilliant attack at the 'information society.'
|Someone really should do to the specialists of our day, complete with
|their unique subsets of the English language what Melville did to
|the experts of his day. Assume their languages, assimilate their
|authority, then expose their weaknesses.  No language or subset thereof
|is capable of wholly containing the human experience.

Another case in point is Gore Vidal, arguably one of the best authors
of our time....He has incorporated a 'cyberpunk' character in his new
book (I forget what it's called - it has a religious motif)....On the
interviews I have seen regarding this book, Vidal openly talks about
subjects like the cyberpunk character (he uses the actual word), and
if I'm not mistaken he's talked about the information society on a
couple recent interviews as well.....

|In a way, I see hackers an modern day Ishmial's.  Actually, I may be
|feeling a book coming on.

Hmmm....

|ratner

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