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From: d0berg@dtek.chalmers.se (Lars-Ake Berg)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: How to use command.com remote??
Summary: none
Keywords: none
Date: 16 Aug 92 21:19:40 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden


Hi!
I'm new at this BBS business...
I have tried to get Telix host mode to work and it works as long as I 
don't try entering DOS-Shell, then it crashes and that's only when I log
on from remote. The problem is caused by the command that is execute in a
batchfile, ctty. The errormessage that displays says: Error writing to device
or something like that. ctty com2 where I have my modem . I've tried it from
DOS and I get the same result. WHat is wrong?

The host sourcefile also mentions something about a file called rshell.com
which I don't have and haven't found anywhere so far, can anyone help me 
there?

Happy Hacking!
From: "brian miller" <brian.miller@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: waffle 1.65 available
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:33:24 EST
Reply-To: "brian miller" <brian.miller@channel1.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Channel 1 Communications


Waffle 1.65 is also available here to first-time *modem* callers.
Login,  J FREE  and  D WAF165.ZIP.

Brian Miller     | brian.miller@channel1.com
Channel 1        * 617-354-3230 V.32bis
617-864-0100     | #338 Cambridge MA 02238
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Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA

Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: bell@teal.csn.org (Bell Scott)
Subject: Re: Starting a BBS
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:12:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.180205.6807@SSD.intel.com> jerryg@ssd.intel.com (Jerry Gaiser) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.222104.6931@qiclab.scn.rain.com> 70465.203@compuserve.com writes:
>>Myles Wakeham <mylesw@amgen.com> writes:
>>
>>>>I wonder how much hard disk space do you need to start a BBS with? I
>>>>plan in the future to join the fray of proud SysOps running a BBS. 
>>
>>>I would budget a minimum of 100mb to handle messaging, utility programs,
>>>doors, etc.  Then there's your file system.  If you intend to have a lot
>>>of files, then up the size accordingly.
>>
>>100 meg? The only BBSes I know of that have HDs that big either have 
>>*large* file areas, or are Fido hubs. 
>>
>>We run a busy system on a 286 with an 80 meg HD (donated) that is less
>>than 1/2 full. And includes a lot of non-BBS stuff (like the TP 5.5
>>compiler/debugge and assembler so I can work on utilities on the
>>same system)
>>
>And I'm running a 'starting to get busy' system on a 386 with a 40 meg HD.
>I'm carrying about 25 echoes (though a few are sysop only and tend to
>stay low volume). Things are starting to get a little tight though. I
>only have about 7 meg on one partition and 2.5 meg on the second.
>-- 
>Jerry Gaiser
>         Usenet: jerryg@ssd.intel.com
>        Fidonet: 1:105/380
>           PBBS: n7pwf@n7pwf.or.usa.na

	How about a Mac BBS WITH Downloads that has only 46 megs allocated!
	(I have the other 140 megs allocated to development and Apps)

Scott R. Bell
Avalon: (303) 367-8503
__________________________________________
|  Life is pain,                         |
|    anyone who says different           |
|      is selling something.             |
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bell@teal.csn.org

Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: sandy@godzilla.quotron.com (Sanford Zelkovitz)
Subject: XBBS Version 7.200
Organization: Quotron Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:40:07 GMT


XBBS, version 7.200, is now online for downloading.
This new version no longer requires external
programs to list "arc" and "zip" files. Also,
additional enhancements were made for SVR4 support.

The new code has been tested under Xenix386 and
ESIX SVR4 Release 4. 

Two Makefiles are supplied for SVR4 to support
both Big and Little Endian machines.

If you wish to archive the new code for others
on the internet, please let me know the
system name and IP address. You can send the
information to: 
         sandy@smftst.Quotron.com
            (130.224.26.12)

-- 
Sanford <sandy> Zelkovitz   XBBS
Voice: (714)821-9670   Data and FAX: (714)821-9671
....uunet!pride386!alphacm!sandy
sandy@smftst.Quotron.com (130.224.26.12)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: shari@room.Princeton.EDU (Shari L. Landes)
Subject: Re: WWIV.
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:54:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.161924.2044@m2xenix.psg.com> jimd@m2xenix.psg.com (Jim Dorman) writes:
>In <1992Aug19.135223.17838@Princeton.EDU> shari@room.Princeton.EDU (Shari L. Landes) writes:
>
>> Speaking of WWIV, (were we speaking of WWIV?) there is a new "mod" for
>> a multiline system.  You can now run two or more nodes at the same time.
>> I presume in a windows type environment or a local area network.
>
>No, sorry.  That is incorrect.  WWIV is not a multi-line system at this point.
>WWIV is not, repeat NOT multi-line as yet.

Please, read the above message again.  A "MOD."  Not a release of the software.
Pity a mere regular sysop should have to explain this to a group coordinator.

:-) :-) :-0 :-)

>Ford Prefect, 1@5311 WWIVNet,
>Group 12 Coordinator

Fenric, 1@6916 WWIVnet
Group 10 SysOp

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From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: fidonet access
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:10:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: qiclab.1992Aug20.121016.10236
Reply-To: 70465.203@compuserve.com
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.

tabitha@vms.huji.ac.il writes:

>My desire is opposite to so many of you.  I'd like to access some
>Fidonet BBSes from the Internet, or from Bitnet.  Is this possible.
>Are there such addresses.  Not so much for more conferences.  There
>are more than enough on USENET.  For some reason, however, many
>good shareware files don't make it to SIMTEL or CICA.  For example,
>Wyndfields for Windows, which I would like to test.
>Can anybody help?

Sorry, but Fido & those networks can only exchange *mail*. 

Fidonet BBSes aren't set up to allow "remote login". They can 
allow the Equivalent of FTP, but only from another Fido site,
or a user with a terminal program that "looks like" another Fido
system.

-- 
Leonard Erickson		      leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com
CIS: [70465,203]			 70465.203@compuserve.com
FIDO:   1:105/51	 Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org
(The CIS & Fido addresses are preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: shari@room.Princeton.EDU (Shari L. Landes)
Subject: WWIV.
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:52:23 GMT

Speaking of WWIV, (were we speaking of WWIV?) there is a new "mod" for
a multiline system.  You can now run two or more nodes at the same time.
I presume in a windows type environment or a local area network.

It's rather long, and there are modifications to every WWIV C file.

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From: jimd@m2xenix.psg.com (Jim Dorman)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: WWIV.
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:19:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: m2xenix.1992Aug20.161924.2044
Distribution: na
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US

In <1992Aug19.135223.17838@Princeton.EDU> shari@room.Princeton.EDU (Shari L. Landes) writes:

> Speaking of WWIV, (were we speaking of WWIV?) there is a new "mod" for
> a multiline system.  You can now run two or more nodes at the same time.
> I presume in a windows type environment or a local area network.

No, sorry.  That is incorrect.  WWIV is not a multi-line system at this point.

What has happened is the 4.21a has been released.  This new version makes it
much easier for WWIV nodes to run more than one network on their systems and
allows internetworking to proceed without going around the software.  If you
were running WWIV under DESQView or some other memory partitioner, now your
two nodes will talk to each other more easily.

WWIV is not, repeat NOT multi-line as yet.


Ford Prefect, 1@5311 WWIVNet,
Group 12 Coordinator
Xref: sparky comp.bbs.misc:573 alt.bbs:5306
From: greenie@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.bbs
Subject: BBS Standards Comittee and Graphics
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:45:05 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

Well, while you people are forming your committee;  one thing I'd like to see
formed as some sort of standard is an ADEQUATE graphics/windowing systems for
BBSes and low-bandwidth systems.  IE, something that could actually work over
2400 baud (or maybe even 9600, since 2400 is probably headed the way of the 300
baud modem...)

I'm tired of being restricted in not being able to utilize graphics and meeses
(plural of mouse) (*my* plural of mouse :-) on the various platforms that exist
out there, and I don't relish the idea of making a front end for all those
bloody platforms.

Just to reiterate, the key is low-bandwidth... I'll save my X-Windows ideas for
Ethernets and 56k+...

Andy
From: erik@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Erik VanRiper)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: fidonet access
Date: 21 Aug 92 05:21:27 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: The Source for Source Pub Access Unix

In article <1992Aug19.160522.475@vms.huji.ac.il> tabitha@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
>My desire is opposite to so many of you.  I'd like to access some
>Fidonet BBSes from the Internet, or from Bitnet.  Is this possible.
>Are there such addresses.  Not so much for more conferences.  There
>are more than enough on USENET.  For some reason, however, many
>good shareware files don't make it to SIMTEL or CICA.  For example,
>Wyndfields for Windows, which I would like to test.
>Can anybody help?
>-dennis turner

I cannot help immediatly, however there is a group of FidoNet sysops and
myself that are working on a project that will get those files from the Fido
side of the house and move them over to the Internet side.  We are hoping to
go through a few test runs in the next few months.

Please:  I have the Folowup-To: set to myself.  Please do not send me a lot
of mail about this, things are still in the planning stages.  If you (or
anyone else) think that they can be of service, please let me know.

/* Erik */

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From: shari@room.Princeton.EDU (Shari L. Landes)
Subject: Re: WWIV.
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:54:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.000939.4088@ncsu.edu> jrjohns@eos.ncsu.edu (John R. Johns II) writes:
>Yes, that's the other major change to WWIV with the release of 4.21a.
>However, you have to use NET31.  I've heard that they've already found
>some problems with NET31, though, and that a speedy release of NET32
>is on it's way.

You are referring to multi networking.  I am referring to multi node,
that is, having two (or a doubled) telephone line and having two callers
(or more) being able to call the BBS at the same time.  It's a "MOD"
(A pretty large one at that)  It has not yet been released on the
WWIV Modifications Network (the one hosted by Filo).

harlan - gates of dawn bbs - 609-426-1618 - wwivnet 1@6916


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From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: Pre RFD Interest in comp.bbs.[system]
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:13:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: qiclab.1992Aug20.121325.10333
Reply-To: 70465.203@compuserve.com
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.

cambler@zeus.calpoly.edu (Christopher J. Ambler, Phish) writes:

>This is NOT an RFD. It's just an idea that I said I'd throw out.

>Is there any interest in other comp.bbs.[system] groups? Should they
>be created as necessary, or is a global vote on the most used systems
>a good idea, which will stimulate discussion? (And perhaps help persuade
>manufacturers to get on the Usenet... though from the ONE BBSCON, it
>looks like persuasion isn't needed, and that's in the works anyway).

If you mean things like comp.bbs.tbbs or comp.bbs.wwiv, then what
should *really* be done is get one of the Fido<-> usenet gateways
to gate in the existing Fido echos. The traffic exists, and the
expertise is there already.

-- 
Leonard Erickson		      leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com
CIS: [70465,203]			 70465.203@compuserve.com
FIDO:   1:105/51	 Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org
(The CIS & Fido addresses are preferred)
From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: Starting a BBS
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:21:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: qiclab.1992Aug14.222104.6931
Reply-To: 70465.203@compuserve.com
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.

Myles Wakeham <mylesw@amgen.com> writes:

>>I wonder how much hard disk space do you need to start a BBS with? I
>>plan in the future to join the fray of proud SysOps running a BBS. 

>I would budget a minimum of 100mb to handle messaging, utility programs,
>doors, etc.  Then there's your file system.  If you intend to have a lot
>of files, then up the size accordingly.

100 meg? The only BBSes I know of that have HDs that big either have 
*large* file areas, or are Fido hubs. 

We run a busy system on a 286 with an 80 meg HD (donated) that is less
than 1/2 full. And includes a lot of non-BBS stuff (like the TP 5.5
compiler/debugge and assembler so I can work on utilities on the
same system)

The BBS probably uses around 20 megs. This is QuickBBS 2.76 gamma-2 
and D'Bridge 1.30 as a mailer.

The QuickBBS style message base saves a *lot* of room.

-- 
Leonard Erickson		      leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com
CIS: [70465,203]			 70465.203@compuserve.com
FIDO:   1:105/51	 Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org
(The CIS & Fido addresses are preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: jrjohns@eos.ncsu.edu (JOHN RICHARD JOHNS)
Subject: Re: WWIV.
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 00:22:29 GMT

Sorry, I did misunderstand.  I was aware through E-Mail that Andrew was
working on a mod for Multi-Line, and I guess I didn't read your message
very well, too (shown below):

>Speaking of WWIV, (were we speaking of WWIV?) there is a new
>"mod" for a multiline system.  You can now run two or more
>nodes at the same time. I presume in a windows type environment
>or a local area network.
>
>It's rather long, and there are modifications to every WWIV C
>file.

I was thinking "Net Node" (I.E, 19962, 9956, etc) and when you said "rather
long...modifications to every...file" it sounded a lot like the 421-421a.MOD
file I got from the nearest SDS.

Of course, I live in dorm room, and only can get a BBS running without being
killed by my roomie by the grace of a small box and RingMaster (distinctive
ringing)...not to even think about running a multi-line BBS.  But it does
sound attractive for the future!  (Esp. since I have *NO* intentions of putting
UNIX on my computer!)

- John

-- 
____________________________________________________________________
|  No New Tiny Toons Episodes in 1993?!  | The Original UnOriginal |
| "You know whut?  That makes me...mad!" |     John R. Johns II    |
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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: robert@revcan.rct.ca (Robert Presland)
Subject: Re: How to use command.com remote??
Organization: Revenue Canada, Taxation; Office Communications Division
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:30:05 GMT
Keywords: none

In article <13428@chalmers.se> d0berg@dtek.chalmers.se (Lars-Ake Berg) writes:
>
>Hi!
>I'm new at this BBS business...
>I have tried to get Telix host mode to work and it works as long as I 
>don't try entering DOS-Shell, then it crashes and that's only when I log
>on from remote. The problem is caused by the command that is execute in a
>batchfile, ctty. The errormessage that displays says: Error writing to device
>or something like that. ctty com2 where I have my modem . I've tried it from
>DOS and I get the same result. WHat is wrong?
>
>The host sourcefile also mentions something about a file called rshell.com
>which I don't have and haven't found anywhere so far, can anyone help me 
>there?
>
>Happy Hacking!
>

Well I odn't know much about Telix, but I do know that you can run a simple
DOS session over the com port by simply doing C:\COMMAND.COM < COM1 > COM1
on the local machine.  This will redirect all input and output over the com
port.  But only DOS simplistic programs will work, like Edlin.  If you want
to run anything worthwhile over the com port, you will need something like
DoorWay which will let anything run over the com port, and I mean anything.

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  FidoNet: Robert Presland (1:243/27)           (613) 569-0290 * CSP/V32b
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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: jrjohns@eos.ncsu.edu (John R. Johns II)
Subject: Re: WWIV.
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 00:09:39 GMT

Yes, that's the other major change to WWIV with the release of 4.21a.
However, you have to use NET31.  I've heard that they've already found
some problems with NET31, though, and that a speedy release of NET32
is on it's way.

- John

-- 
____________________________________________________________________
|  No New Tiny Toons Episodes in 1993?!  | The Original UnOriginal |
| "You know whut?  That makes me...mad!" |     John R. Johns II    |
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Xref: sparky comp.bbs.misc:574 alt.bbs:5307
From: greenie@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.bbs
Subject: Wildcat FTP site?
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:42:01 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

Does anyone know of an FTP site that has somewhat recent Wildcat-related BBS
programs/utilities?  WUARCHIVE seems to be somewhat crusty...

Andy
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: shari@room.Princeton.EDU (Shari L. Landes)
Subject: Re: Starting a BBS
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:29:36 GMT

In article <Bsvx9o.HxC@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
>It does work.  I have used it, and so have many other sysops, when installing 
>the FROM or 64-subs mods.  
>
>It's simple, and it works.

The CONVERT.C that comes with the FROM/64 Modification is not the one you
should always use.  WWIV 4.21a comes stocked with the 64 Sub Modification
BUILT IN, but you cannot use the aforementioned CONVERT.C with it, due
to the fact that you will also get the structure for the FROM modification,
which you do not want.  In WWIV's INIT program, there is an option (option
N) to convert the 4.21 standard userrec to the 4.21a extended userrec.

If you have modified the userrec at all, you must write your own CONVERT.C
to upgrade to virgin 4.21a.

Harlan Landes
Gates of Dawn BBS
+1 609 426 1618
1@6916 WWIVnet / 1@1 Trinet

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From: tabitha@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: fidonet access
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:05:22 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

My desire is opposite to so many of you.  I'd like to access some
Fidonet BBSes from the Internet, or from Bitnet.  Is this possible.
Are there such addresses.  Not so much for more conferences.  There
are more than enough on USENET.  For some reason, however, many
good shareware files don't make it to SIMTEL or CICA.  For example,
Wyndfields for Windows, which I would like to test.
Can anybody help?
-dennis turner
From: aites@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jim Aites)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:32:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Starting a BBS
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc

|    Get some nice person you know who knows C to write a program which
|    reads in the old structures and writes out the new structures.  That
|    works just fine.

Huh?  You mean that you NEED to use C in order to do an update?  
(what's wrong with this picture?)

<<<<<< Attitude check = HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA >>>>>>>

Whew!  Thanks, I needed that...it's been a bummer of a Monday.

Next question:   Do you need to be a programmer to run a BBS?
                                                   ^^^

Disclaimer:  Ignore the man behind the curtain!  - OZ
From: warren@CAM.ORG (Robert Warren)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: text file database door
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:01:34 GMT
Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada


	Yoza all!

	I'd appreciate any help, I'm looking for a door that will act a
database for textfiles. I've already looked at some, but the user interface
sucks and they offer little in the area of keyword searches. If you can help
me, please reply via email.


Regards,
	Robert Warren
	warren@cam.org
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Starting a BBS
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:16:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.142936.311@Princeton.EDU> shari@room.Princeton.EDU (Shari L. Landes) writes:
>
>The CONVERT.C that comes with the FROM/64 Modification is not the one you
>should always use. 

It's simple to modify, though... the struct userrec I'm using is not like 
either the standard or FROM-modified.  All you do is add a line for each
field you have, and delete lines for those you've removed.
-- 
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    If you ever fall off the Sears Tower, go real limp, so people will think
    you're a dummy, and they'll try to catch you, because hey, free dummy!
hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu             _V_a_l_h_a_l_l_a BBS, 217-352-3682, WWIV4.21, 14.4k
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: robert@revcan.rct.ca (Robert Presland)
Subject: Re: Starting a BBS
Organization: Revenue Canada, Taxation; Office Communications Division
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:27:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.222104.6931@qiclab.scn.rain.com> 70465.203@compuserve.com writes:
>100 meg? The only BBSes I know of that have HDs that big either have 
>*large* file areas, or are Fido hubs. 
>
>We run a busy system on a 286 with an 80 meg HD (donated) that is less
>than 1/2 full. And includes a lot of non-BBS stuff (like the TP 5.5
>compiler/debugge and assembler so I can work on utilities on the
>same system)

I run Max on a 286 with 240 Megs.  I am neither a hub, or have a large file
area (unless 60 megs is large).  One thing that a large hard drive enables you
to do is keep your disk from massive fragmentation.  Tossing messages to areas
cause lots of fragmentation which is lessened by more free diskspace.

>
>The BBS probably uses around 20 megs. This is QuickBBS 2.76 gamma-2 
>and D'Bridge 1.30 as a mailer.

What do you mean by "The BBS"?  I run Max, FD, Squish, and so many utils I can't
remember them all, each of which only use about 30-40K but all together add
up to a bit.  These utils don't compensate for missing things in anything,
but add to the "environment" of the BBS and make it a great place to be.
>
>The QuickBBS style message base saves a *lot* of room.

So does Squish.

Anyway, yes, one can operate on a small HD, but soon enough everyone says
"Boy it would be nice if I had..." and low and behold you actually do.

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