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From: wex@castle.ed.ac.uk (John Wexler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: fish and chips
Date: 23 Nov 92 11:19:07 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <1992Nov20.4296.19878@dosgate>, barry.ross@canrem.com (barry ross) writes:
|> 
|> I  understand that true fish and chips in England use  Dog  fish, 
|> not Halibut or Haddock or Cod like they do in Canada. <Pity>

Yes, there is some truth in this.  Dogfish is known as "rock salmon" in
the trade.  Depending on where you are in Britain, you may or may not
get a choice of fish when you buy fish and chips.  If you don't get a
choice, then the fish will generally be haddock, or possibly cod.  If
you do get a choice, then rock salmon may be one of the options.  Skate
is also a possibility.

    John Wexler
    Edinburgh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sanjiv@projtech.com (Sanjiv Gossain)
Subject: TQM Consultants
Organization: Project Technology, Inc., Berkeley, CA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:16:11 GMT

I am trying to get a contact address/email address of 
a company called TQM consultants, located somwehere ion the
UK..but I'm not sure where exactly.

If anyone in the UK has any info. or can provide me with a postal
address, then I would appreciate it. Thanks

Sanjiv Gossain

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From: singer@apple.com (Dave Singer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Anglican vs C of E
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:56:12 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban
Organization: Apple Computer

In article <1dq5veINNn1h@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, bets@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Beth
Schwindt) wrote:
> Just a small thing, but the American branch of the Anglican church is
> the Episcopal church, its members Episcopalians.  (Since I am one, I'm
> honor-bound to correct the error when I see it....... :)  )
> 
> 
OK. It's "The Protestant Episcopal Church in the United States of America"
according to the copy of its constitution and canons which I have. It is
allied with the C of E by virtue of being in the Anglican Communion. The
Arch-B or Cant hath no jurisdiction over it, but there are periodic
meetings
of representatives of the whole communion, under the leadership of the said
reverend gentleman.
From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: What's the name of the Cambridge bookshop?
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:46:57 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

In article <MATTHEW.92Nov17143346@eeyore.uk.tele.nokia.fi> matthew@uk.tele.nokia.fi (Matthew Faupel) writes:
>What I want to know is, how do they all stay in business?

They don't! Bowes & Bowes and Deighton Bell went bust in the last 5 years.
G&P specialise in remaindered and damaged books.  CUP prints its own books!
And I can't see Waterstones surviving for long with a True Crime section
bigger than their mathematics section.  (Actually, I can. Sad, isn't it.)
Of course, it helps if you break the law on opening times, which Dillons
and Waterstones both do and Heffers has always refused to do.

>---* Amnesiac the Wizard *------------------* matthew@uk.tele.nokia.fi *---
(----*) Because the Wizard (formerly Because the Knight)
From: guest@voyager3.sdsu.edu (Guest User)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Hey John..English Toffey
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:17:35 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: voyager3.sdsu.edu
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Hi John,
  You were making me drool when you were talking about the toffey.
    Can you send me the recipe?  I like plenty of English things (of Brittish 
    heritage you see).


    Yvette
      e-mail :  shrini@wings.oscs.montana.edu
		  (the "guest" account is a shared account)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: Clive's bike
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:38:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.221838.1099@math.ucla.edu>, pugh@pico.math.ucla.edu (David Pugh)      writes...
>In article <1992Nov19.094103.14611@hasler.ascom.ch> kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch writes:
>>
>>About a year ago there was an article on TV about an electric bike that
>>Sir Clive Sinclair had developed (resembling a Mini-Moulton bicycle) and 
>>was selling them for about 500 quid. Has anybody seen them for sale?? 
>>
>>kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
> 
>Probably crashed along with all his other hair-brained schemes. What
>a wally, that guy is...
> 
>David
> 
> 
>--
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>   David Pugh,  UCLA,  CA         |     Hot Dog, Jumping Frog
>   pugh@math.ucla.edu             |     Albuquerque  -  Prefab Sprout
>|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|
On the contrary, Sir Clive designed it at the instigation of the awful
Thatcher woman, so that we could all get on our bikes in search of jobs.
Even as I talk, 3,000,000 people are circulating Britain on their Sinclair
bikes in search of the evasive job (it is believed that one vacancy
exists for someone somewhere, but nobody has yet found it).

Does anyone know how many "Captains of Industry" who have merited Thatcher's
specific praise, have subsequently gone bust or disappeared into obscurity, or
like the twat Richard Brandon have fallen into the Atlantic or some other ocean?

Laurence
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Real estate and renting situation in Brighton area
Date: 19 Nov 92 09:30:00 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: sandell@chowning.CNMAT.Berkeley.EDU (Gregory J. Sandell)
>
>I would appreciate hearing anything about housing in the Brighton area
>these days, such as:
>
>1. What flats are going for currently
>2. Comparative value of buying vs. renting currently (I've heard that the
>real estate market is extremely soft!)
>3. Do furnished flats come with equipped kitchens as well (cookware,
>dinnerware, etc.)

Brighton used to be one of the most expensive areas in the UK
outside London. But like everywhere in the south-east, prices
have been collapsing in recent years. For example, it had got
to the point where there were no flats available under 40,000
pounds, but some are now slipping below the 30,000 mark.

Rental is similarly affected. There are a lot of people who
brought at the peak who have mortgages more than the value of
the house, thus they have no choice but to rent out if they
want to move away, since they can't sell up and pay off the
mortgage. Thus there is a glut of rented property.

For equipment in rented property, look around. In most cases
some sort of kitchen equipment will be provided. Since it's a
buyers market at present, the best thing is to haggle - if it
isn't provided ask for it.

Given that property prices are still falling, it probably isn't
sensible to consider buying for a short stay. A monthly
mortgage may well be cheaper than monthly rent, but you're
holding onto an asset whose value is falling, and you may find
that when you want to sell you have to take a substantial loss.

Matthew Huntbach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: cwilson@gssec.bt.co.uk (Colin Wilson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Accent and Dialect, the politics there
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:26:33 GMT
Organization: BT

In article <1992Nov15.175816.20761@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov13.075941.3950@rdg.dec.com> cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn) writes:
|> >Some examples of Scots grammar:
|> >and for all you people living in England, the US, Canada etc who say
|> >"I've heard that here". Well, Scots have emigrated/been transported all
|> >over the world and many took their language with them.
|> >
|> >1) Scots: "The car needs washed"
|> >   English: "The car needs a wash" / "The car needs washing"
|> 
|> But all your examples are of colloquial speech. I hardly think double
|> negatives are specific to Scots, since they are common in uneducated
|> English speech too.  Would the writers and foreign ambassadors who you
|> put forward as arguments for treating Scots as a 'serious' language have
|> said 'yous' and used double negatives?

In a word, no. I appreciate Craig's good intentions here, but double
negatives and the pronoun "yes"/"yous" were not part of Scots when it
had official status, nor is anyone not talking good Scots for not using
these features nowadays. (Did you follow that _triple_ negative? :-)  )

Incidentally, I'm still waiting to see your definition of a "viable
language".

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
From: bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross)
Subject: Re: In your school?
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Brock University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:31:03 GMT

ambidge@ecf.toronto.edu (Chris Ambidge) writes:
: Laurence Godfre recently wrote:
: 
: >Exactly as I claimed - you canadians are simply all arseholes
: >
: >Laurencxe
: >
: 
: I know that scientists are supposed to  look at Nature and see if they
: can observe trends.  However, I would say that describing 26+ million
: people "all arseholes" something of an overgeneralisation.
: 
: Would somebody please give  this gentleman (and I use the term loosely)
: a lesson  on netiquette?  He is being out-and-out rude.  He obviously
: has had unfortunate experiences from his time in Ottawa, and has an 
: aversion to things Canadian.  I can understand that.  However, when I
: am reading a newsgroup, I neither need nor deserve to be called "an
: arsehole" just because I choose to live in Canada.
: 
: Dr Godfrey, please cease your  tirades against all-things-Canadian.

Sir Godfrey's hatred of is not unique, Chris.
On soc.culture.british, he is currently slamming all-things-German.
("Sorry to hear that you find yourself in that most awful of countries.  I
too was there for a couple of year untl recently, and I must say that
the Germans are appalling people.") 

He is also reknown for his hatred of all-things-Thai and all-things-Philipino.

I suspect his real problem is a hatred for all-things-not-Laurence,
plus a cavalier attitude towards his lithium prescription.

-- 
Brian Ross                         "How do we arrange lures in our tackle box?
bross@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca     From left to right, according to size and 
                                    frequency of use." -- Anal-Retentive Chef.
From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.politics
Subject: Re: Comparison of voting systems (was: Rule Britannia)
Date: 20 Nov 92 10:44:32 GMT
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

In article <1992Nov19.130820.3291@aber.ac.uk>, per@aber.ac.uk (Peter David Roberts) writes:
> 
> With all this debate about the pros and cons of PR in both groups and with 
> the claims so regularly made that PR leads to weak government, I dont suppose
> this is the right time to point out the "strong decisive" government that 
> our current FPTP system has produced.
> 
> So decisive that the government has misled the house for 2 years over Iraq 
> arms sales, so strong that we have a complete reversal of economic policy in
> the space of a month.

Yes, amazing isn't it. If PR leads to a "weak" government, like the one they
have in Germany, then I, for one would love to have a "weak" government. This
"strong" government we currently have is pathetic.
-- 
snail@lsl.co.uk      

"para-phrasing an American's .sig"....
For the record, I did not vote for Bill Clinton
:-)
From: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Clinton's British connection
Date: 22 Nov 1992 21:45:03 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

		Clinton's British connection

  Much has been made of U.S. president-elect Bill Clinton's stay at Oxford.
He seems to have liked Britain so much that his daughter is named after
a London suburb.
  Chelsea isn't exactly a popular name for girls in North America. Is it 
popular in Britain?
  How would you like to be named Brixton or Soho :-)
From: sandell@chowning.CNMAT.Berkeley.EDU (Gregory J. Sandell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Looking for one-year rental in Brighton area
Date: 18 Nov 1992 19:57:51 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: chowning.cnmat.berkeley.edu


I'm taking a one-year postdoc at University of Sussex and am looking  
for a place to rent in the Brighton area for my wife and I.  A  
one-bedroom flat with reasonable-sized kitchen and living room would  
be sufficient.  The term of stay will be from March 1993 through  
February 1993.

--
Greg Sandell
Research Fellow, Center for New Music and Audio Technologies (CNMAT)
sandell@cnmat.cnmat.berkeley.edu
home: 510-528-7721   work: 510-643-9990
(eight hours difference between Calif. and U.K.!)

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From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Church unity and party unity (was Re: Catholic/Anglican faith)
Date: 21 Nov 92 07:02:08 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

In article <1992Nov20.202740.18055@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.142921.6835@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>
>>The problem with the CofE is that it contains all sorts. [...]
>
>>If, like the Catholic Church, you have built a set of
>>rituals around the former belief, it is surely offensive to
>>give communion to those who don't agree with it.
>
>I've been biting my tongue on this one for ages, Matthew, but...
>
>How can you be arguing vehemently on one front against the
>top-down dogmatic authoritarian model of political parties,
>and yet be arguing equally vehemently on another front for
>the top-down dogmatic authoritarian practices of the (Roman)
>Catholic Church?

We are talking different spheres, so I wouldn't necessarily say
the same arguments apply. However, I don't think I have been
arguing for top-down authoritarian practices in the RC Church.
I have said that if the RC Church decides to set certain
parameters, such as its position in transubstantiation, then it
is clearly nonsense to pretend those parameters don't exist.
Within the parameters of the RC Church, a very wide range of
opinions exist and are tolerated.

This is perhaps similar to a political party saying that if you
want to join you must at least agree to its aims and objectives
set out in its constitution. Within these parameters though,
any opinion may be held. I would not, for example, tolerate
someone in the Liberal Democrats who openly advocated racism,
since this is clearly against what the party is set up for.

Matthew Huntbach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
From: ddewar@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (derek.a.dewar)
Subject: Re: French linguistic influence on Scots.
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:49:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.211011.17439@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> tony@nexus.yorku.ca (Anthony Wallis) writes:
>Ray Dunn (ray@philmtl.philips.ca) :
>> There are certainly quite a few French _words_ that have been corrupted
>> into Scots, but I can think of no influence on the grammar. ..
>
>How about spelling ?  The usual mis-spelling of my surname, "Wallis",
>(essentially the same as "Wales" - from a Roman semi-derogatory term
> for the Celts, Volcae = aliens) as "Wallace" I blame on a past
>period of French-Scottish coziness. 
>
>--
>tony@nexus.yorku.ca = Tony Wallis, York University, Toronto, Canada


Where I come from (the west coast of Scotland - Argyll) there are numerous
names which have been derived from Scandanavian words (probably from teh time
when they were pillaging...), such as Davaar Island, etc.............
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
From: bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross)
Subject: Re: Canadian free speech in action
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Brock University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:17:42 GMT

godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
: In article <1992Nov19.104052@aifh.ed.ac.uk>, mwc@aifh.ed.ac.uk writes...
: > 
: >What's the matter Larry -- don't you want to endure our complaints about your
: >awful and intensely boring personality?
: 
: No, I would just prefer to see a reasoned attack on me rather than the
: sort of name-calling that I could expect from school-children

But Laurence, you recently said...

>Exactly as I claimed - you canadians are simply all arseholes

What gives?

-- 
Brian Ross                         "How do we arrange lures in our tackle box?
bross@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca     From left to right, according to size and 
                                    frequency of use." -- Anal-Retentive Chef.
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Fish and chips
Date: 17 Nov 92 09:57:42 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: pault@ossi.com (Paul Taylor)
>Do not despair. I have detected signs of hope in land. There are a
>few reputeable eating holes that recognise
>a: Fish ain't fish unless it is wrapped in Newspaper
>b: Vinegar and salt can be added
>
>c: and no you don't get a pickle....

But do you get a wally?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada,sci.research.careers
From: turgd00@DMI.USherb.CA (DAVID TURGEON)
Subject: Re: Canadian free speech in action
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- Dept. d'Informatique
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:22:20 GMT

(You know the story)
>
>>It sounds to me as if this person is the sort who is only happy when he is
>>bitching at something/someone. As for Canada being boring--I must laugh.
>>This is one of the most diverse countries in the world, with amongst the
>>greatest geography and friendliest people. 
>> 
>Absolute nonsense - ever been to Asia?  Ever lived anywhere else but Canada?
>I have lived in Engalnd, France, Switzerland, Germany, Thailand, Japan, US,
>Canada and worked in all of them.  I have visited malaysia, singapore, Burma,,
>all of western europe, hong kong, philippines,the gulf, middle east etc.
>Canada is the most boring without a shado of a doubt.
>
>Laurence
>
He can't even spell the name of his own country !!!

BTW, it's very nice that you've been to all those places, but please tell us,

Which one's gonna kick you out next ???

>
>
>If Mr. Godfrey were female, I'd say he had a good case of PMS: not pre, or
>>post, but permanent.
>> 
>>-- 
>>Ken Breadner          |Wilfrid Laurier University, Waterloo, Canada

David Turgeon
From: peterw@spider.co.uk (Peter Woodhouse)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: VNS: Wed 18-Nov-1992
Keywords: VNS,news
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:32:56 GMT
Organization: Spider Software, Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <1992Nov18.122949.1621@rdg.dec.com> evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME) writes:
>
><><><><><><><><>  T h e   V O G O N   N e w s   S e r v i c e  <><><><><><><><>
>    The government will today publish the first comprehensive league tables
>    of GCSE and A level results from all the state schools and 25% of
>    independent schools around the country.
Can anyone tell me where you can get hold of the table?  Do you have to write 
away somewhere, if so where, or is it available at libraries etc?

Peter
-- 
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Spider Park, Stanwell Street                    Phone :  +44 31 555 5166
Edinburgh, Scotland
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: ckp2n@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Christina Powell)
Subject: Re: The Winsor castle winter warmer
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:18:43 GMT

G.P.Hansford@bradford.ac.uk  writes:
> 
> Does life imitate life?
> 
> Notice recently that in Eastenders the pub was burnt down for the insurance money.
> 
> Notice also that Winsor Castle has burnt down, with the Duke of York there just before
> it went off.
> 
> Coincidence?  I think not, and who are the insurance underwriters on the Monarchies policy?
> Why the tax payers of course.  Is the Monarch keeping up the premiums?  Nah hasn't paid a
> penny for centuries.
> 
I read an article in the Washington Post last week that said
there is no insurance on any of the castles--no one is willing to
insure them, and the premiums would be outrageous.

Chris

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: English English
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:51:42 GMT

In article <1ea948INNt8l@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>, smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov16.210302.12005@netcom.com>, sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
|> > it IS another synonym for "busy" or "engaged".
|> 
|> I think Parked means
|> that it has been taken out of service by a technician, possibly for testing.

This is a bit like Call My Bluff.  Okay parked means that the callee has been
notified of your call but is busy and will pick it up shortly.

So who is bluffing ?

Still better than phoning directory inquiries in France where you here:

	"your call is queued at position 57".

This gives you time to have a shower, pop out for the evening and then get your
number, maybe.  Yes I know I should use the wonderful MINICRAP system but I'm
not a millionaire, and soon wouldn't be if I did.

David.
From: sandell@chowning.CNMAT.Berkeley.EDU (Gregory J. Sandell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Real estate and renting situation in Brighton area
Date: 18 Nov 1992 20:02:19 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: chowning.cnmat.berkeley.edu

			
I would appreciate hearing anything about housing in the Brighton area  
these days, such as:

1. What flats are going for currently
2. Comparative value of buying vs. renting currently (I've heard that the  
real estate market is extremely soft!)
3. Do furnished flats come with equipped kitchens as well (cookware,  
dinnerware, etc.)

Thanks!
--
Greg Sandell
Research Fellow, Center for New Music and Audio Technologies (CNMAT)
sandell@cnmat.cnmat.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british