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From: djr48312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dennis Robinson)
Subject: Is BIGGER & FASTER possible...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 06:29:52 GMT

Question, to all those who body build and get to test their foot speed.
Be it 40 yard dashes or track meet sprinting.  If you get larger muscle wise
how is your speed affected?  How do you think a guy like Lee Haney or Dorian
yates speed would have been before they started BODY BUILDING and after?
Im sure with more mass to move there would require more force to move that
limb at the same speed, also imbalances may be created to advesely affect
speed.  Could someone with first hand knowledge give me some answers?
From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Low Body Fat Percentage but Spare Tire
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:31:14 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

jonathan@cs.pitt.edu (Jonathan Eunice) writes:


>   Just firm up the muscles.  You're down to 18% already, but nothing you
>   mentioned indicates that you're exercising those body regions.  So the
>   flabbiness is probably lack of muscle tone, not too much fat.


>And I thought the Myth of Spot Reduction had been completely exposed!

>As unfair as it may seem, exercising a specific body part or region
>does nothing whatever to reduce fat in that part/region.  Fat stores

Thats not what he said.  He told her to firm up the muscles, not 
spot reduce the fat.


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Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: molnar@Bisco.CAnet.CA (Tom Molnar)
Subject: Re: Tunturi Stepper Noise
Organization: UTCS Campus Access
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:35:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.115903.8953@aristo.tau.ac.il> marsh@aristo.tau.ac.il (Marshall Rapaport) writes:
# Hi,
#   I've purchased many tunturi products in the past and have always been
# quite happy.  This was until about 2 weeks ago when I purchased their
# stepper.  The design was really nice and the resistance changes on the
# pistons are very easy to perform.  Unfortunately, after about 5 minutes
# of exercise, the machine starts making such terrible screeching noises
# that it is impossible to continue.

Yes, I certainly have.  I went through 4 steppers before I bought one
that would work for me.  I eventually bought a precor m7.4 model, one
designed for continuous use in clubs.  I was too fat for the lesser
models.  In my experience, the home steppers I purchased didn't work
well for people over 200lbs.  At 350 lbs, I destroyed lesser models in
short order.  Now, at 175 lbs, the steppers all work pretty well.  The
screaching is due to the hydraulic cylinder overheating.   If you are
quite heavy, replacing them won't help.  If you're not, then they are
likely to be faulty.

Tom

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mdoyle@sparhawk (Mike Doyle)
Subject: re;abs reduction and defintion
Keywords: abs,reduction,definition
Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA
Distribution: misc.fitness
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 18:12:04 GMT

glen,
		Rope Pulley Crunches.
		See Gold's Gym Workout.

	MCD     mdoyle@fnbc.com
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From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (Andy Lipscomb)
Subject: Subj lines (was Re: Abs Question)
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:56:13 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <1993Jan9.203604.17051@leland.Stanford.EDU> disraeli@leland.Stanford.EDU writes:

> In article <Jan.8.16.15.18.1993.1767@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
> >aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall) writes:
> >
> >
> >>dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> >
> >>>There is little difference between eating a candy bar
> >>>or drinking fruit juice.
> >
> >>...except for the many grams of fat found in most candy bars. Fruit
> >>juice is fat free.
> >
> >How much vitamin C is in that candy bar?  How much fiber?
> >
> >Really.
> >
> >
> >-- 
> >Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
> >Publications Coordinator - User Services
> >Rutgers University Computing Services
> 
> How much fiber is in the fruit juice? Really.
> 
> Jamie Bronstein
> disraeli@leland.stanford.edu

What does all this have to do with "Abs Question"? Really.

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From: root@metis.tti.com (Operator)
Subject: Re: Low Body Fat Percentage but Spare Tire
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:02:05 GMT

In article <JONATHAN.93Jan6010629@speedy.cs.pitt.edu> jonathan@cs.pitt.edu (Jonathan Eunice) writes:

>It is possible that either sagging or soft, well-fat-marbled muscles
>are the problem, in which direct exercises may help.

My point exactly!  For a minute there I thought you didn't agree
with that.  This is not, however, what you said in your previous posting.
If you had, I wouldn't have responded.

It was not my intention to be rude, merely to point out that you were
misreading what was said and dismissing a very real possibility out of
hand.  I thought that merited a response.

Sorry if my use of capital letters for emphasis was offensive to you,
but I don't know of a portable way to do underlining or italics.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: timbomb@cs.uq.oz.au (Tim Mansfield)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: bad posture
Date: 11 Jan 93 09:06:58 GMT
Reply-To: timbomb@cs.uq.oz.au

In <1993Jan11.075514.14192@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> dmwalter@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Dave Walter) writes:

>I'm in good physical shape with a fairly muscular body, but I have
>trouble with standing straight, sitting etc.  It just seems that I
>naturally tend to slump over, and my shoulders kind of hunch forward.

My posture (which is bad the same way yours is: hunched over shoulders) seems 
to improve most if I do a lot of lower back work, ya know Good Morniings, 
stiff-legged dealifts, hyperextensions. As far as I can tell, when the lower 
back is toned it pulls the spine into the right shape. Doing upper middle back 
work might also help put your shoulders back, but I think the key is the lower 
back.

Just MHO

tim
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From: ayoung@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Is BIGGER & FASTER possible...
Date: 7 Jan 93 09:28:07 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <C0DBDt.C5G@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, djr48312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dennis Robinson) writes:
> Question, to all those who body build and get to test their foot speed.
> Be it 40 yard dashes or track meet sprinting.  If you get larger muscle wise
> how is your speed affected?  How do you think a guy like Lee Haney or Dorian
> yates speed would have been before they started BODY BUILDING and after?
> Im sure with more mass to move there would require more force to move that
> limb at the same speed, also imbalances may be created to advesely affect
> speed.  Could someone with first hand knowledge give me some answers?

Suppose you start with an arm weighing 5kg, of which 3kg is muscle, and after
some training you build it up to 10kg, of which 7.5kg is muscle.

Original power:weight ratio = 3 / 5    = 0.6

Final power:weight ratio    = 7.5 / 10 = 0.75

True that more force is required to move the limb, but the dis-proportionate
increase in muscle bulk provides the force plus extra. Hence there's no reason
to pre-suppose that hypertrophy slows one down (assuming it does not interfere
with joint mobility).  The factor that will probably make bodybuilders slower
is that their training-regime (ie. relatively slow speed) does not develop the
nerve pathways in the correct fashion for rapid response - if they also did
some reaction training (eg. speedball) without weights then I doubt you'd see
any decrease in speed.

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From: jchristian@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: bad posture
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:16:15 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

> It just seems that I
> naturally tend to slump over, and my shoulders kind of hunch forward.

I can identify with that.  When I hit puberty and my body started growing, my
shoulders grew huge in proportion to the rest of me.  Ever since high school,
I've had this bad postural habit of hunching my shoulders forward.  Sort of
like they feel too heavy for my body or something goofy like that, especially
on days when I haven't slept well.

> There's no question that I look my best when I straighten up, but
> I keep finding myself hunched over when I'm driving, or standing,
> whatever.  It actually takes serious concentration and energy (!)
> to keep my posture straight, and it will slip my mind after a
> while until I catch myself again (or, worse, someone reminds me).

Yeah, that's a drag.  I have some suggestions that helped me out.

1.  Stretch your shoulders.  A lot.  Heavy muscle development of the shoulders
without proper stretching tends to let them drift forward when they're relaxed
on some people (especially if they have a tendency toward bad posture, like
me).  Some yoga style shoulder stuff that will stretch out your deltoids (and
your pects, while you're at it) really help to relieve the imbalance that can
occur between front and back.  (If you need more specific stretches, I can try
to send you some descriptions.)

2.  Lift your head.  This is basically the Alexander Technique, and it's a
really simple principle, it's easy to pull off, easy to remind yourself, and it
really works.  Basically, just imagine a string coming out the top of your
head, lifting your entire body at that point.  The Alexander Technique is one
way of trying to overcome the detrimental effects of being bipedal in the
gravity field.  I began practicing the Technique this past August, and by the
time school started, I noticed that my posture was better than it had ever
been.

3.  Lift your chest.  When your shoulders slump forward, your chest will have a
tendency to sink as well.  Don't puff it out, like you're posing for someone. 
Just lift it up so it doesn't sink toward your spine.  If you were taking a
ballet class, that would be the essence of what the instructor would tell you:
lift your chest and lift your head.  When I took dance class last quarter, that
was what my teacher kept telling me: lift your chest!  (My head was already
lifted because of the Technique.)

I'm assuming that you're postural problems are similar to mine.  I remember how
it took a lot of effort on my part to remember that I had bad posture--it would 
be so easy to let my shoulders slide forward.  Now, I only have to remind
myself occasionally, because it happens less often.  Typically when I'm tired.

Hope this helps.

Jeff
From: karl@isgtec.com (Karl Sewlochan)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Sports Jackets and Suits
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:30:11 GMT
Distribution: ont
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario


G'Day,

Does anyone have any leads as to where a bodybuilder would
go to get a sports jacket or suit off the rack?  Whenever I
find a sports jacket or suit to fit (50-52 inch chest) the waist
is huge (around 46 inches).  Is there no place that realizes
that some guys don't have 46 inch waists?  Or am I stuck
with tailoring?  If so, any leads on good tailors?

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ISG Technologies Inc.  3030 Orlando Dr. Mississauga.   Ont.  Can.  L4V 1S8
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: marsh@aristo.tau.ac.il (Marshall Rapaport)
Subject: Tunturi Stepper Noise
Organization: Tel-Aviv University Computation Center
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 11:59:03 GMT

Hi,
  I've purchased many tunturi products in the past and have always been
quite happy.  This was until about 2 weeks ago when I purchased their
stepper.  The design was really nice and the resistance changes on the
pistons are very easy to perform.  Unfortunately, after about 5 minutes
of exercise, the machine starts making such terrible screeching noises
that it is impossible to continue.  I talked with the distributer and they
promised to give me 2 new pistons as soon as they get them.  Has this
problem occurred to anyone else using this stepper?  If so - what did you
do? Hopefully tunturi has corrected this problem - but I'm pretty sure I'm
not the only one this has happened to.

                  Regards,
                  Marshall Rapaport
                  email: marsh@aristo.tau.ac.il
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: kamal@specialix.co.uk (Kamal Mortoza)
Subject: "Serious growth" by Leo Costa Jr.
Organization: Specialix International, London
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:46:39 GMT

I've just started a training regimen - mostly because I was stagnating a little
based on the "Serious Growth" books by Leo Costa Jr. It's based on three micro-
cycles a week, and six three week macro-cycles, and goes through endurance,
strength and power. After a week and a bit (I started on the 4th), I'm
feeling incredibly pumped - though I'm not sure if it'll produce any rapid
growth like it claims to. Has anyone out there tried this course ? and if so,
what were the results ? 

I'm not using drugs and rely almost completely on a 4000 cal/day diet with
no visible fats. I'm going to see this through for at least 6 months - so
I'll keep you posted.

Kamal

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Natural Insomnia Cure Sought
Followup-To: misc.fitness
Date: 7 Jan 1993 12:45:03 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wplmacd-56.doc.ic.ac.uk

In article <1i2k7lINNi1@uwm.edu>, markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark) wrote:
> 
>    Reading a book on Physics late at night will be sure to put you to sleep
> very quick.  Also, if you're male, having sex seems to put you to sleep. :)

why not have a good strong joint - thats natural and enjoyable
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: alice@media.mit.edu (alice lei)
Subject: Re: eczema trouble
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:49:19 GMT

have you guys tried lidex?
its strong stuff
but it really works much better than the cortisone type things


Newsgroups: misc.fitness,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.running
From: sdunbar@mailbox.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com  (Steven T. Dunbar)
Subject: Metabolic Rate question
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:14:37 GMT

I have a rather involved question about the human Metabolic rate,
ie, the rate at which we burn Calories.

From Physics, if a 160 lb person (72.7 Kg) climbs a flight of stairs
that is 15 feet high (4.57 meters) then they will store, as 
potential energy:

72.7 Kg * 9.8 m/s^2 * 4.57 m = 3258.6 Joules = 778.3 cal = 0.778 Cal

Thus, the absolutely measureable quantity of energy expended by the
trip up the stairs is less then 1 Cal.  

HOWEVER, the human body is a very inefficient energy conversion device-
the amount of energy ACTUALLY expended in doing this work will be much
greater then the amount that is measurable as work.  The DIFFERENCE in 
the amount of energy expended and the amount of energy stored in 
climbing the stairs will be dissipated as heat- you sweat.

What I would like to know is, what is the efficiency of the human 
body, and how does it depend of the aerobic state of the person
in question?  ie, is human metabolism more efficient during low
intensity aerobic exercise or is it most efficient during high
intensity anabolic weight lifting. (for instance) 

A neet way of plotting this efficiency curve would be to have the
person's heart rate on the x-axis, and their body's efficiency 
plotted on the y-axis.

I am curious about this information because I would like to know
how fitness machinery manufacturers compute their calories/hour
figures on their stair climbers/lifecycles/what-have-you.  

I am skeptical of their numbers, and I just wanted to figure out
how one could verify them.

Regards,

Steve  

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mdoyle@sparhawk (Mike Doyle)
Subject: Nautilus Workouts
Keywords: Nautilus
Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 19:28:28 GMT


	I am looking for a two day per week Nautilus routine.  Preferably to build some  
size and definition ,but essentially endurance.  I have always lifted free weight and  
am looking for insight from Nautilus users.
	Please respond to mdoyle@fnbc.com

	Thanks        Doyle

































































Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: confused!
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 14:55:28 EST


I'm so confused!  All this stuff about number or reps, sets,taking
things to failure... I dunno how to approach my workout!  I've
recently lost about 80 lbs and want to build definition and tone
but not especially (or much) bulk.  How do you build definition
without building bulk (short of losing bodyfat)?  Right now
my workout consists of 12 mins on stairmaster (thanks to Covert
Bailey), all of the Cybex machines and 10 mins on Windracer.
I started out doing about 8 reps on the cybex.  Now I've upped the
weight and am doing around 12, sometimes more or less depending
on if I'm able.  I'm assuming that taking something to failure
means doing it until you're no longer able.  Is this a good way
to approach my program?  I've been reading this group for awhile
but most of you guys seem more concerned with bulk and strenght.
Can anyone recommend any books?  Thanks!

Margot 
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Target Heartrate
From: jonathan@cs.pitt.edu (Jonathan Eunice)
Date: 6 Jan 93 06:22:05 GMT
 <1ia86vINNnuj@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM><1iabc6INNb2d@fnnews.fnal.gov> <1993Jan5.162322.26692@walter.cray.com>
Organization: University of Pittsburgh Computer Science

Jeff Gleixner writes:

   I've been kind of goofing around with a better measurement than the HR and
   the old talk test, since everyone reads "a normal conversation without gasping
   for breath", differently, so I've been paying attention to my breathing rate..
    i.e. how many breaths taken during a certain time.  For me, 6-7 breaths / 10
   seconds seems to be about right.  I'm not sure if this is a better 
   measurement, but it gives a number to shoot for instead of an unmeasurable 
   "gasping for breath".  (sure you know when you're there but it's when you're 
   working at too low that's hard to measure.)  Nothing scientific but it's 
   easier than trying to find your pulse, count it, time it, and pay attention 
   to where you're going...

Until recently I used a technique like Jeff's: I would work as hard as
possible provided I could still breathe through my nose.  Whenever I
felt an urge to breath through my mouth--even for a single inhale or
exhale--I would slow down.  This kept me at about 75% of my target
heart rate, and was very easy to monitor.  My wife could not use this
techinque because she could breathe easily at over 75% effort
(according to the 220-age formula).  So it's probably not a good
approach for everyone, but it did prove effective and easy for me.
 
I now use a Polar Pacer heart rate monitor, which tells me how hard
I'm working down to the last bpm.  Though pricey (~$130-$150), I would
recommend one (perhaps the $100-$120 model just below the Pacer) for
those who want to vary their work intensity or activity without the
constant re-checking of pulse rates to see "am I working hard enough?"
or "am I working too hard?"
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: My plan Re:Beginner Program
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:51:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.165046.20117@walter.cray.com> glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner) writes:
>
>
>wagner@@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes
>Couple of things here...
>1- Doing 5 sets of 12 reps while increasing the weight means that the 1st
>4 sets were a waste of time.  Do 3 sets of going to fatigue.  If you want
[....]
>>	Bench Press:	5 sets / 12 reps increasing weight
>>	Pec Deck:	5 sets / 12 reps 1st light rest normal
>>	Lat Pulldowns:	5 sets / 12 reps 1st slightly lighter rest normal
>>	Tricep Pushdown:5 sets / 12 reps 1st light last heavy@8 reps
>>	Rows:		5 sets / 12 reps increasing weight
>>	Curls:		5 sets / 12 reps 1st light rest normal
>>
>>	Hamstring Curl:	5 sets / 12 reps 1st light last heavy@8 reps
>>     	Quad Curl:	5 sets / 12 reps 1st light
>>	Deltoid Press:	5 sets / 10 reps 1st light last heavy@8 reps
>>	Calf Curls:	5 sets / 12 reps 1st light rest normal
>>	Squats:		5 sets / increasing weight
>

I think I'd also add that it's good to vary the attack on each of these
from set to set.  For example, mix the curls with forward and reverse
curls and throw in a preacher-bench set.  Variety makes it interesting,
too.  I'd definitely agree with the "set to muscle fatigue" approach.
Aim for 8-12, decrease weight to hit the reps you want to achieve.  I'm
not at all convinced of the effectiveness of doing reps to hit a certain
number and then quitting, even if you could do more, from personal
experience.

GMS
From: katop@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Chris Katopis)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Salmonella Facial?: Raw Egg Face
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:54:46 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

A friend told me about a "health" facial whose principle ingredient	
is raw egg.  Isn't this a tremendous salmonella risk?  can the	
disease be transmitted through the skin????

-chris
From: loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: WHAT DOES POLY-UNSATURATED MEAN
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:19:13 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1993Jan10.133733.18998@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, vittallo@ssd.comm.mot.com (John Vittallo) writes:
> 
> Also, are there other types of oil or fat?

Yes.  In saturated fats, each carbon has four bonds.  Each bond is bonded to a 
hydrogen or proton if you will.  Thus saturated.  Poly unsaturated oils are
oils that have several carbon bonds, some of which are double, but are not
all bound to protons.  This is the simplest way I can put it without getting
too technical.  If you get a chance pickup a Biochemistry book and flip through
it.

-Rob
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