HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Syed)
Subject: Re: Free Publicity for Your Newsletter or Magazine
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:09:00 GMT

   Under Canadian copyright law, copyright is inherent in your work.
   You needn't really do anything.
 
   However, it's to your advantage to do the following:

-  Apply for a publisher's number and set of ISBN numbers if you intend
   to publish books or pamphlets etc. Once assigned, you simply check
   off the numbers as you use them and include them on the verso of 
   your title pages.

-  If you publish a journal or newsletter, apply for an ISSN number.

-  To have your work catalogued properly before it is typeset, and to 
   have it announced in the nation-wide forthcoming books bulletin, 
   ask the National Library of Canada for a Cataloguing In Publication
   kit. They'll send you some forms to fill out each time you issue a
   book. You wait till they catalogue the book properly, then include
   the CIP data on the title page verso. Librarians will thank you!

-  Comply with legal deposit - send 2 copies of everything you do to
   the NLC for preservation. This will also prove that it's your work
   should anyone dispute your copyright. Technically, if your stuff is
   by, about, or done in Canada, you're required to do this by law.
   In fact, once you start doing it, they start sending you reminders
   that you're liable to prosecution if you forget to send them an
   issue. ;-)

   For complete ISBN/ISSN/CIP information kits, write:

   National Library of Canada
   395 Wellington
   Ottawa, Ontario
   K1A 9Z9

   This is good free publicity, (forthcoming goes to all bookstores
   and libraries which subscribe to the trade newspaper Quill & Quire),
   It's also a simple way to ensure that your publication appears in the
   national bibliography, that your authors' names are spelled correctly
   in the authorities files. It also saves librarians lots of work when
   deciding to buy the book, as the proper classifcations and subject
   headings will have already been assigned.

   Happy typesetting!

-- 
--- 
         "We cannot think without imagining."  -- Thomas Aquinas
               cbs@.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Brown-Syed)
  FLIS PhD Office, Room 608 Bissell Bldg., Univ. of Toronto, 140 St.George St.
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: antbh@strix.udac.uu.se (Bernhard Helander)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Correction
Date: 25 Jan 93 08:14:32 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: strix.udac.uu.se

I want to correct one thing I said in my response to the "cynical
manipulation of hunger" article. I started off complaining about
my responses being censored away. I was wrong, I have found all my
previous articles in this group! I was looking for them in the
wrong group! Hope I didn't offend someoen!


Bernhard.

Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,talk.environment,sci.environment
From: cls@truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Subject: Re: 11/92 interview w/Dr. Ernest J. Sternglass, author of "Secret Fallout"
Organization: Save the Humans!
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 07:58:36 GMT
Followup-To: talk.environment
Summary: garbage in garbage out


Here's an example of a specious appeal to arithmetic, nonsense due to bad
input data.

In article <1993Jan21.015635.18905@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>
 constant@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Tino) writes:
>According to this calculation, there should be NO ONE ALIVE IN THE U.S., due
>to natural background radiation.
>
>Here's the numbers:
>
>The collective dose of TMI on the U.S.: 3300 person-rem (best estimate)
>                                        2000-5000 person-rem (estimate range)
>
...
>By Sternglass' approximation, the death count from nature:
>                                     70,000,000,000 dead Americans in 10 years


Trouble with this analysis is the "collective dose of TMI" is actually
unknown because the amount of radioactive material released is unknown.
The instruments at TMI were disabled during some releases and
off the scale during others.


* Any problem soluble solely by arithmetic is unimportant.
--
Cameron Spitzer
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,talk.environment
From: russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 23:02:34 GMT
Organization: WINCO
Subject: Re: Nuclear Cover-Up: 49+ years old, going strong, and killing us all
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: WINCO
Keywords: Ratcliffe: deception, gibberish, contradictions, illogic

In article <1993Jan21.212817.20801@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> constant@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Tino) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.155627.21214@mont.cs.missouri.edu> dave@ratmandu.esd.sgi.com (dave "who can do? ratmandu!" ratcliffe) writes:
>>
>>  Excerpts from an exceptionally lucid speech follow (speech begins 178 lines 
>>  below this one) given by author and journalist Norman Solomon at UCSC on 
>>  February 24, 1992 articulating the critical issue of the almost 50-year-old 
>>  nuclear age and industry and its continuous promotion by official 
>>  mythologies about the "peaceful atom," about how we are "safe" from the 
>>  deadly toxicity of high-level and low-level radioactive material, fallout, 
>>  waste, and contamination of the biosphere, and about how the production and 
>>  operation of nuclear power plants and the nuclear weapons assembly line--not 
>>  to mention "temporary" radioactive waste sites--make us "secure."  --ratitor
>
>Dave, 
>
>None of your long-winded posts have yet to say anything about "natural
>radiation." Fallout and the nuclear power cycle contribute less than 2%
>to the human dose. I have posted the numbers previously.
>
>You have also not responded to the questions that I have emailed to you,
>asking for figures to back up your erroneous and ridiculous claims. Is
>your feed to the net only one-way? I haven't seen any followup arguments.
>
>>"who can do? ratmandu!"
>
>Apparently not.
>
>Tino
>-- 

For what it is worth, probably very little, I support this query. 
Although it violates no great principle or regulation, Usenet is
becoming a dumping ground for "gateway-node-transmission" posters, who
apparently don't know enough about the quality of the material they pass
on to defend it.  This eliminates dialogue, the great strength of the
Net.

These actions may be a reflection of the intellectual and ethical
limitations of those posting to the activism newsgroups rather than
individual decisions and analyses.  While it wouldn't be completely
fair, one could draw some conclusions about the quality of the material
posted from the shy nature of those who post it.  

Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: CLINTON BLOWS
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: 20 Jan 93 22:54:27

I'm afraid I have to agree with Jym Dyer on this one.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

Xref: sparky alt.activism.d:4535 talk.environment:5684
From: jamesh@aifh.ed.ac.uk (James Hammerton)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,talk.environment
Subject: Re: our plutonium economy & a free democracy are a contradiction in terms
Date: 23 Jan 93 19:56:52 GMT
Reply-To: jamesh@aifh.ed.ac.uk (James Hammerton)
Organization: Dept of AI, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <JMC.93Jan22100338@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>, jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John
McCarthy) writes:
# The number of people who have been inconvenienced by U.S. Government
# protection of plutonium from theft is far less that the number
# inconvenienced by U.S. Government efforts to protect the President
# from assassination.

Firstly some evidence of this would be nice. Secondly, you haven't dealt with
the
points raised in the article.


-- 
*  James Hammerton               *  If Pascal is equivalent to the     *
*  Email: jamesh@uk.ac.ed.aisb   *  mini-metro,then ML is the concept  *
*                                *  car where steering is done         *
*                                *  recursively using the gearstick.   *
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: bg055@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stewart Rowe)
Subject: Re: PROFILE: Who Are Ralph Nader's "PUBLIC CITIZEN"?
Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:50:15 GMT

Public Citizen is so proud of its success in defeating a pay raise
for Congress. But it seems to me that this is a most short-sighted
view. Have you priced a house in D.C. lately?
  The better position for the benefit of the country would be:
 
Pay them well enough so that they don't have to take graft to live.
 
-Stewart Rowe usr2210a@cbos.uc.edu   srowe@igc.apc

Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Call For Discussion - unmoderating misc.activism.progressive
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1993Jan22.152252.1023@dragon.com>
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:43:05

I see no objection to misc.activism.progressive in its present form as
a moderated compendium of leftist propaganda.  The original proposal
was to call it misc.activism, and I objected to that on the grounds
that it misleadingly suggested that all activism was of their sort.  I
think I was one of the people who suggested that if they would add
.progressive to the title, it would no longer mislead any but the most
naive.  It is not a discussion group, since almost no responses, even
leftist responses, are posted.  Let it be.  There is no lack of
opportunity to post criticisms of articles in
misc.activism.progressive, e.g. in this group.  By the way,
misc.activism.progressive has occasionally accepted postings from me
of articles complaining about the lack of human rights in Cuba.

However, I would like to see a newsgroup of a different persuasion.
Conservatives and moderates have made far less use than the left of
Usenet.  I have undertaken to post the articles from each issue of
_Measure_, a monthly newletter of University Centers for Rational
Alternatives (UCRA).  UCRA was founded by the philosopher Sidney Hook,
an anti-Stalinist and democratic leftist, who was shocked by the
anti-democratic, intolerant and anti-American developments in 1960s
leftism and its efforts to suppress opposing views in the universities.
UCRA still has its work cut out for it.  For now I post the articles
in alt.activism.d.

More material can be obtained, and I would welcome volunteers to
help find it and post it.

--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
From: era@csn.org
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE
Keywords: Extremists, Christian Right, Amendment 2
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:11:25 GMT
Reply-To: era@csn.org ()
Organization: Citizens Project; Colorado Springs, CO
Originator: era@teal.csn.org

We of the Citizens Project (Colorado Springs, CO) are looking for people
who could assist us in re-distributing the Citizens Project Newsletter
to non-Internet computer services.  If you have an account on any such
services (CompuServe, FidoNet, Genie, Prodigy, America Online, and others)
and are willing to help us, please let us know via return email to
era@ncar.ucar.edu.

The Citizens Project is a Colorado Springs, CO - based group of volunteers
who seek to prevent extremists from eliminating our fundamental freedoms.
Colorado's Amendments 1 and 2 are the extremists' most obvious successes
to date.      
--
Ed Arnold * Boulder, CO * 303-497-1253(voice,weekday) * 303-494-6949(voice)
internet: era@csn.org * compuserve: internet:era@csn.org * bitnet: era@ncario
-- 
Ed Arnold * Boulder, CO * 303-497-1253(voice,weekday) * 303-494-6949(voice)
internet: era@csn.org * compuserve: internet:era@csn.org * bitnet: era@ncario
From: aris@psssun (Aris Gerakis)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: UN Should Recognise Macedonia
Date: 23 Jan 1993 06:45:46 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: psssun.pss.msu.edu

opaloneva@abo.fi (Olli-Jukka Paloneva) writes:

>In article <1993Jan17.182818.26319@mont.cs.missouri.edu> SAS,
>sachz@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU writes:
>>Act quickly. Recognise Macedonia.

>I think that it is impossible because of Greek influence
>on European Community. They do not want to have a Macedonia
>called Macedonia, because Macedonia exists in the present 
>Greece territory too.

>Olli-Jukka Paloneva, opaloneva@abo.fi


 Greece owned all territory named Macedonia, Yugoslavian or not, for thousands
of years.   Slavs came as an afterthought to that land and they are just visitors.
Aris Gerakis
From: aris@psssun (Aris Gerakis)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: Macedonia is GREEK!
Date: 23 Jan 1993 06:41:18 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: psssun.pss.msu.edu

Greeks were  in Macedonia before anyone.  Slavs and other nations use the Cyrillic
alphabet, a derivation of the greek.
Aris Gerakis
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: Greenpeace KILLS baby seals
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:33:08 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

bdellert@nic.gac.edu writes:

>In the past month, 3 people have told me that Greenpeace sprayed baby seals  
>with a dye, so trappers wouldn't kill them (their fur became useless).  But it  
>turned out the dye was toxic and killed the baby seals.

>**What the HELL!**  Is their any truth to this, or any idea where the story  
>started?  Are there any references to it in the media?

I've heard this story a few times, the first about 2-3 years ago, with nothing
to back it up. I suspect the source of the story is the trappers themselves
for obvious reasons.

Dave

--
From: keithk@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Keith Krueger)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: Call For Discussion - unmoderating misc.activism.progressive
Date: 23 Jan 1993 22:36:38 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cory.berkeley.edu

In article <1993Jan22.152141.6733@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes:
>> Therefore, I think that misc.activism.progressive should be unmoderated.
>
>Go for it.  Of course you'll need to find 2000 yes votes to counter-act
>the 700 canned votes mustered from ACTIV-L and associated lists where people
>know nothing of Usenet.
>
>Brett

Usenet Brett, will you teach those poor ACTIV-L people about news groups?  
It's really too bad that they're so dumb.  Maybe if they read some of
your fine generalizations, they wouldn't be lost in the darkness of
their "radical" views and could even comprehend USENET.  Boy, that
would be a wonderful day!  God bless you, Brett!  Enlighten us.

-Keith
From: cts@dragon.com
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: Call For Discussion - unmoderating misc.activism.progressive
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:22:52 EST
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Organization: Computer Projects Unlimited

> I think the recent flap over MIM and misc.activism.progressive clearly
> demonstrates that misc.activism.progressive has become exactly what we
> were told it would not be - a megaphone for Harel to promulgate views
> he agrees with while muffling those he disagrees with.
> 
> I feel very strongly that this is contrary to the basic spirit of
> Usenet - free, unfettered debate.
> 
> Therefore, I think that misc.activism.progressive should be
> unmoderated.
> 
> Comments, please?

I tend to agree.

Take this forward to a vote.
From: ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: Rape in war: enforcing power
Date: 25 Jan 93 11:17:37 GMT
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Organization: British Telecom

In article <1993Jan22.091510.2377@mont.cs.missouri.edu> rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel) writes:


   Third, the rape frequently ends with the murder of the woman. 
   Sometimes it is hard to know if the rape or the murder was the first 
   motive; the two are so tangled together. Yayori Matsui of the Asian 
   Women's Network notes that when the Iranian army took captives 
   during the war with Iraq, the women were routinely raped before 
   they were killed because "if they died as virgins they might go to 
   heaven."

Actually, the story relates to the murder of political prisoners.  In
early eighties scores of teenage girls were arrested and sumamrily
executed in Iran.  Then it was alleged that the guards would rape the
girls first because "if they died as virgins they might go to heaven."
But it might have also happened during the war. 

-hossein
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,talk.environment
From: constant@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Tino)
Subject: Re: Nuclear Cover-Up: 49+ years old, going strong, and killing us all
Keywords: Ratcliffe: deception, gibberish, contradictions, illogic
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 21:28:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.155627.21214@mont.cs.missouri.edu> dave@ratmandu.esd.sgi.com (dave "who can do? ratmandu!" ratcliffe) writes:
>
>  Excerpts from an exceptionally lucid speech follow (speech begins 178 lines 
>  below this one) given by author and journalist Norman Solomon at UCSC on 
>  February 24, 1992 articulating the critical issue of the almost 50-year-old 
>  nuclear age and industry and its continuous promotion by official 
>  mythologies about the "peaceful atom," about how we are "safe" from the 
>  deadly toxicity of high-level and low-level radioactive material, fallout, 
>  waste, and contamination of the biosphere, and about how the production and 
>  operation of nuclear power plants and the nuclear weapons assembly line--not 
>  to mention "temporary" radioactive waste sites--make us "secure."  --ratitor

Dave, 

None of your long-winded posts have yet to say anything about "natural
radiation." Fallout and the nuclear power cycle contribute less than 2%
to the human dose. I have posted the numbers previously.

You have also not responded to the questions that I have emailed to you,
asking for figures to back up your erroneous and ridiculous claims. Is
your feed to the net only one-way? I haven't seen any followup arguments.

>"who can do? ratmandu!"

Apparently not.

Tino
-- 
     "Here are the young men, the weight on their shoulders..." - J.D.
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Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: prs9k@brain.med.virginia.edu (Phil Scarr)
Subject: Re: Call For Discussion - unmoderating misc.activism.progressive
Organization: Neuroclinical Trials Center, University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:52:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.022307.27241@mont.cs.missouri.edu> oracle!us.oracle.com!mfriedma@uunet.UU.NET (Michael Friedman) writes:
>I think the recent flap over MIM and misc.activism.progressive clearly
>demonstrates that misc.activism.progressive has become exactly what we
>were told it would not be - a megaphone for Harel to promulgate views
>he agrees with while muffling those he disagrees with.
>
>I feel very strongly that this is contrary to the basic spirit of
>Usenet - free, unfettered debate.
>
>Therefore, I think that misc.activism.progressive should be
>unmoderated.
>
>Comments, please?
>
>-- 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>I am not an official Oracle spokesman.  I speak for myself and no one else.
>

I cannot disagree more.  MAP is a clearing house for information which
many people rely upon covering topics from abortion rights to torture in
South Africa.  To dillute it with discussions of these issues would be
to take away it's purpose.  There is alread a group established for
discussions of MAP issues, alt.activism.d.  Leave MAP just the way it
is, or if you like, move to create misc.activism.progressive.d to
replace alt.activism.d.  MAP is a valuable resource which should remain
intact.

	-Phil
-- 
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 University of    /     OS/2 is irrelevant.      \          (f) 804.243.0290
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 Neurosurgery     /     Openness is futile.      \     prs9k@Virginia.BITNET
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Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: UN Should Recognise Macedonia
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: 23 Jan 93 04:14:54

In article <1jqpiqINNd4r@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> aris@psssun (Aris Gerakis) writes:
Path: CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU!stanford.edu!ames!sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!linac!uchinews!msuinfo!psssun!aris
   From: aris@psssun (Aris Gerakis)
   Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
   Date: 23 Jan 1993 06:45:46 GMT
   Organization: Michigan State University
   Lines: 17
   References: <1993Jan18.221435.12580@mont.cs.missouri.edu>
   NNTP-Posting-Host: psssun.pss.msu.edu

   opaloneva@abo.fi (Olli-Jukka Paloneva) writes:

   >In article <1993Jan17.182818.26319@mont.cs.missouri.edu> SAS,
   >sachz@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU writes:
   >>Act quickly. Recognise Macedonia.

   >I think that it is impossible because of Greek influence
   >on European Community. They do not want to have a Macedonia
   >called Macedonia, because Macedonia exists in the present 
   >Greece territory too.

   >Olli-Jukka Paloneva, opaloneva@abo.fi


    Greece owned all territory named Macedonia, Yugoslavian or not, for thousands
   of years.   Slavs came as an afterthought to that land and they are just visitors.
   Aris Gerakis

This kind of post gives me new respect for George Washington.  Let
these stupid foreigners kill each other.  They can't be saved.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: Macedonia is GREEK!
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:25:01 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: ACME Products

In article <ellis.727579037@scorpion.ac.cowan.edu.au>, ellis@cowan.edu.au (E.KARANIKOLAOU) writes:
> The Northern Region of Greece is known as Macedonia and the majority
> of the people in this region are Greek!
> 
> If one of the former Yugoslavian territories want's to be called 
> Macedonia well fine but that does not entitle the Yugoslav Macedonians
> to a slice of Northern Greece.

	They haven't asked for it.

Brett
________________________________________________________________________________
	"There's nothing so passionate as a vested interest disguised as an
intellectual conviction."  Sean O'Casey in _The White Plague_ by Frank Herbert.
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: as4@jyu.fi (Asiakas 4)
Subject: Re: Macedonia is GREEK!
Organization: Jyvskyln yliopisto
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:57:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.152501.6734@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes:
>From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer)
>Subject: Re: Macedonia is GREEK!
>Date: 22 Jan 93 15:25:01 EST
>In article <ellis.727579037@scorpion.ac.cowan.edu.au>, ellis@cowan.edu.au (E.KARANIKOLAOU) writes:
>> The Northern Region of Greece is known as Macedonia and the majority
>> of the people in this region are Greek!
>> 
>> If one of the former Yugoslavian territories want's to be called 
>> Macedonia well fine but that does not entitle the Yugoslav Macedonians
>> to a slice of Northern Greece.
>
>	They haven't asked for it.
>
>Brett
>________________________________________________________________________________
>	"There's nothing so passionate as a vested interest disguised as an
>intellectual conviction."  Sean O'Casey in _The White Plague_ by Frank Herbert.