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From: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Lynx (was Re: More Jeff Young Rambings)
Keywords: rubbish,utter rubbish,total rubbish
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:50:12 GMT
Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Organization: Flying Cat, Inc.

In article <etxansk.715593993@garbod20> etxansk@garbod20.ericsson.se (Anders Skelander) writes:
>hutchens@uwa.oz.au (JL HUTCHENS) writes:
>  And the Amiga was designed by some of the guys who designed
>the Atari 800! The Lynx wasn't designed by Atari, the Amiga 
>wasn't designed by Commodore. The Atari ST was designed by
>the guy who designed the Commodore 64. 

Actually, no.  Al Charpentier did the systems engineering and VIC-II chip,
Bob Yannes did the SID chip, Bob Russell did the Kernal.  (I did
early games/applications programs and edited (and wrote a lot of) the C64
Programmer's Reference Guide.)  Al and Bob Y. were among the founders
of  Ensoniq.  Bob R. is at his own company.  I'm at mine.

The people who left C= to go to Atari were some of the Z8000 crew
and John Feagans, who was involved in the Commodore PET computer.
(and who created the Magic Desk :-)  )

> Anders Skelander


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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate -- hopefully a rational debate, an I an ideali
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:44:43 GMT
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raymondu@terapin.com (Raymond Ulibarri) writes:
>
>> In article <1992Aug27.161036.384@ctr.columbia.edu> >
>jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>
>> BTW, I know that some Amiga's come with AmigaVision, but that thing
>> is such a piece of crap that it's useless.
>
>   I hardly agree, Jerry...
>

Please be careful with your quoting; I didn't say the above (about
AmigaVision).

>
>Raymond Ulibarri
>
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From: ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:02:22 GMT
Organization: Bugend BBS

A reply to mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas):

> Or for reasons of national security.  Corporate America is why this country
> is as prosperous as it is.  Now liberals like you have screwed that up,
> by your constant bashing and funneling money to non-productive causes.

Like children and education, that's non-productive...

> It was the USSR that militarily took over small countries.  We don't do that.
> We only become involved when it's an issue of national security, and
> we always give the country back.  You're really confused with these
> issues.

No you just throw over a democratic goverment with military force and
replace it with military dictatorship. And what's "national security" seems
often to be the same thing as US companies can't make enough profit in that
country...

I'm proud to be non-american!

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From: breaker@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Guy Sisalli)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Doug Barney is the Antichrist (AW Lies: The Sequel)
Date: 8 Sep 92 06:56:45 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source Pub Access Unix

In article <1992Sep6.213134.10730@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> seifert@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael S. Seifert) writes:
>In article <js1yfqc@rpi.edu> danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep6.011946.2979@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:
>>>Now he's gone and done it. Nothing but blasphemous lies (not to
>>>mention gutteral sounds, the occasional spinning head and a some
>>>projectal pea soup thrown in for good measure).
>>>
>>>On page 44 of the October 1992 edition of Amiga World, Doug Barney
>>>states:
>>>
>>>     "Since its release, the Amiga 500 has been Commodore's
>>>      best-selling CPU, giving users multitasking, sound and
>>>      great graphics for the price of a good, used moped."
>>>
>>>I don't know about the rest of the world, but demographically speaking,
>>>my area is rife with authorized moped dealers. I have yet to see
>>>an Amiga 500 system comparably priced with a second-hand moped.
>>>Obviously this is a desperate act of a disillusioned journalist.
>>
>>Oh, come on! What is this, hate Doug Barney month?? for god's sake, we're
>>quibbling over MOPED prices now! This is getting out of hand. Ever heard of 
>>the concept of FIGURATIVE LANGUAGE???
>>
>>Geez...
>>
>>Nobody cares that I am...
>>    -Frank Dana, known (718)-(212)-(516) over as Amiuse/Doc Ami!
>
>Is it me or is Frank Dana truly the stupidest man physically capable of typing
>a post in .advocacy (a truly incredible distinction considering the mire of 
>stupidity that is .advocacy)  Perhaps I misunderstood the original post, but
>the moped bitch seemed to be a not-so-subtle form of sarcasm.
>
>Please disregard ill treatment of Frank's mental capacity if the original post
>was not sarcasm.  Thank you.
>
>mike seifert, supra-genius

Bullshit!!
(Sorry, stage 5 :)

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From: mike@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Smithwick)
Subject: Re: The Reason Why A3000 Owners Are MAD!
Organization: SF-Bay Public-Access Unix
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:36:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.130753.58868@cc.usu.edu> slbfn@cc.usu.edu writes:
>After a great deal of thought, I've decided that the reason
>A3000 owners (like myself) are pissed about not compat. AGA
>is that we spend the extra damages on the A3000 so our machine's
>could be upgraded.  Everything is 32bit except the custom chip
>sockets.
>
>Now, after spending mucho mulanda, we find our machines to be
>tossed.  Most of us can appreciate the "tech goes on" philosiphy,
>but those of us still in Gold Service (and have many months to
>go before warranty is depleted) are quite upset about the loss
>of money.  The A4000 will push A3000 prices down quite a bit.

I am really PISSED OFF that AA is NOT COMPATIBLE WITH MY C-64! WHY IS
COMMODORE abandoning the early users? WHAT A RIP!!! WE HELPED BUILD
COMMODORE and now they LET US DOWN!! WAHHHHHHH! WAHHHHHH!


mike

P.S. I originally bought my C-64 for $625. Maybe I should sue the bastards
and get my money back.


;-)

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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:28:25 GMT
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mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>
>>What exactly do they offer that's more?
>
>MS-DOS compatibility and the capability to run Wolfenstein 3D.
>

Yes.  And the only thing that the Amiga offers over the PC is that you can
videotape yourself dragging screens around, so that you can tell all your
friends how superior that makes your machine.

>
>Michael van Elst
>
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Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Thursday, 10 Sep 1992 01:16:24 EDT
From: <LEEK@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: WB 3.0

In article <1992Sep9.051312.13087@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, tsm2124@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
says:
>
>        I have been running WB 39.7, KS 39.97 for about 4 days now.  This
>version is still is beta but I have had only 2 problems with it so far.

Copyright issues aside...  I'll bet >> 5 posts just for that anyway.

>Cosmetically:
>* Menus are now white with black text and black outlines.  This seems to
>  work with commodities and the WB and that's about it (upgrades please)

Good.  I always hated white text on black.  At least someone thinks the
same now... : )

>* HDToolBox got a major facelift and bug fixes.  (Looks very
>  professional now)

I do hope it make provision for hard drives with lost of defects.
Afterall that's a likely thing to happen even though no one likes it.
I was using the 2.04 version to try to assign the defect list on my
HD after a major sequences of head crashes and boy I wasn't impressed
at the requester each time it finds a bad sector.  I was already mad &
frustrated with the crash and find it a little bit stupid to have to
sit in front of the computer while it verify the 102 meg of my flaky
HD.  (200+ errors wasn't funny)  I wish it would just scan the whole
thing and let me edit the list afterwards.  (This happened last December,
so I might be wrong on the detail.)

This is obviously an oversight due to insufficient testing & some lack
of consideration in the design phase.  I guess the programmer(s) and
most developers do not run into my problem.  (I am NOT a developer)

K. C. Lee
Elec. Eng. Grad. Student
From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 01:01:33 GMT

In article <Bu255y.5rI@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jake Rose) writes:
>mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>
>>It would have been nice if a USEFUL notepad application shipped with 2.0x.
>>Every doc file for every PD program and even the readme's for commercial
>>apps SHOULD be done in NotePad, IMO.  Food for thought.
>
>Ignoring the new (not yet released) hypertext system?

AmigaGuide is hardly a notepad/write replacement.  You're better off comparing
it to Windows help.

 I agree that AmigaDOS
>should ship with useful applications and demos wholeheartedly, though.  People
>get their systems and sit down to play with them and many of them are *very*
>dissappointed when they have to go back and buy stuff right away to do 
>anything at all besides change the workbench colors...

This is true - back in the old days, when A1000s were new and 1.1 was great,
they came with a demo from Electronic Arts (poly something?).  Kept me
occupied for hours, before I got stuck into AmigaBASIC.

Seriously, though, Amigas do come with AREXX, so the new users can get into
programming if they're that way inclined, and what Amiga user isn't?


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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: A3000T and Mac Quadra pricing
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:47:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.172147.954@newshost.unh.edu> pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.150305.21765@ils.nwu.edu> tsui@ils.nwu.edu writes:
>
>>I personally think that DCTV if marketed properly can be a hell of a lot 
>>more successful then Quicktime.  Quicktime is incredibly lame, even when 
>>the anims are small they look like hell.  Forget full screen animations, 
>>they're barely 1 fps.
>
>Just out of curiosity, is DCTV hardware-assisted?  (Other than the
>base hardware already in the Amiga?)  I don't believe Quicktime is on
>most Macs.  That might account for some of the performance difference.

It is hardware-assisted in the sense that there is an add-on which takes
an Amiga hires screen and produces a pseudo-21bit display.  I'm not sure
of the exact method, but I believe that it is similar to the DYUV used
by the CDI chipset.  It is not a hardware assist in the sense that a 
a faster blitter or graphics co-processor would be.  The frame rates that
people refer to are possible with a stock Amiga, the DCTV simply allows
for better displays.

>People seem to talk about Quicktime as if it were an end product in
>itself like DCTV.  IMHO, that's being unfair to the whole Quicktime
>idea.  

I'm sure that some of the unfairness stems from the way that Apple and
Mac advocates act about new technologies.  Apple presents QuickTime as
if it is the first piece of software that allows for animation on a
personal computer.  There are animations which date from the mid-to-late
eighties for the Amiga which are every bit as impressive as those being
demoed for QuickTime, but the hardware requirements were and still are
considerably less on the Amiga.

>I view it more as a set of standards and API's that allow
>various hardware and software components to interoperate seamlessly.

In that respect it is a good idea and I'd like to see C= incorporate
some sort of standard animation format in the Amiga's OS.  I've never
been crazy about the anal-retentive way that things are done on the
Mac and would hope for something better on the Amiga, but C= has not
shown any indication that such a thing will be forthcoming.

>For example, by plugging in the right hardware, you could
>theoretically turn that low-res 1fps animation into a full-screen, 30
>fps, 24-bit animation with MPEG compression, synchronized CD-quality
>sound, etc.  This would all be device-independent and transparent to
>the software.

The problem is that there are very few Macs that are properly designed
to handle animation and Apple's pricing policies will assure that this
is true for some time.  

I'd love to see someone develop a QuickTime player for the Amiga.  I'd
bet that an A4000 would be a hell of a platform for making QuickTime
movies.  :-)

>Paul Secinaro
>pss1@kepler.unh.edu
>Synthetic Vision and Pattern Analysis Laboratory
>UNH Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu



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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: local bus vs AA
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:15:55 GMT

In <1992Sep10.114535.2476@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>Where do you get the idea that local bus is expensive or in any way
>worse than AA?

If you read my words you can see that I said:

local bus has some potential.. i.e. you could make very useful graphics cards
for it since it offers enough bandwidth to the framebuffer. local bus is
however not a graphics card, it is a limited expansion bus, thus you cannot
compare it to a graphics chipset.

anything above AA is expensive.. i.e. if you really want to exploit the
potential of the local bus and want to go beyond AA then it will be expensive.

Regards,
-- 
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From: kkrebs@amilink.UUCP (Ken Krebs)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: FINALLY!  THE MARC BARRETT POSTING TRANSLATOR!!!
Date: 14 Sep 92 02:08:29 GMT
Reply-To: amilink!kkrebs@citrus.sac.ca.us (Ken Krebs)
Organization: Sacramento Amiga Computer Club - Sacramento, CA
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <9209131936.AA29019@teetot.acusd.edu> gs@TEETOT.ACUSD.EDU (Greg Simon) writes:
> 
> Has anyone successfully compiled the Marc Barrett flame-program?
> 
> Has it been sent to Fred Fish for inclusion in his library?  It is a
> good example of code-writing techniques :-)
> 
>  -Greg
> 


I'd like to know if someone could send me a UUEncoded version of the
program.  It can't be too large, could it?  I mean, the source file was
only 2891 bytes.  How 'bout posting a UUEncoded version to c.s.a.a?  That
way everyone can enjoy laughing at Marc!  :-)


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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 08:40:04 GMT

In article <mykes.0ddu@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.231332.7170@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
>>
>> It's becomming a common response here :
>>
>> Amiga Advocate:
>> "You need a 486 to do some things as fast as a stock Amiga."
>>
>> Real-world reply:
>> "But, the 486 is cheaper than the Amiga!"
>>
>
>Real-world reply:
>"Which one ray-traces faster?"

or "On which one does having a ray tracer running in the background speed up
the whole operation of the machine?"  :-)


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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:10:18 GMT
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peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>>
>> Real-world reply:
>> "But, the 486 is cheaper than the Amiga!"
>
>Where can I get a 486 box for $400?
>

You can't, but you can get a 386 box (no HD or monitor) for that price.  And
don't tell me that the 386 can't compete with the A500.

>
>The 486 chip itself costs more than a 500.
>

That's funny, I was just quoted $475 for a 486/33 motherboard.

>
>For that matter, the Sparc-2s at work *feel* slower than my Amiga 1000.
>

Yep, and a Boeing 747 *feels* like it's standing still.

>
>Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
>
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From: pab@po.CWRU.Edu (Pete Babic)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Problems with the A4000
Date: 14 Sep 1992 19:58:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: pab@po.CWRU.Edu (Pete Babic)
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In a previous article, dej@qpoint.ocunix.on.ca (David Jones) says:
>
>I've actually seen SCSI hard disk prices lower than IDE prices for the
>SAME hard disk model, manufacturer AND vendor.  Check the ads in BYTE!
>You are not saving much by going to IDE, and you're screwing many high
>end users.  I wonder if Amiga Unix knows about IDE...
>

I think the point is that the controller circutry for the IDE drive costs 
almost nothing as opposed to the more expensive SCSI controller.

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From: Gleeep@cup.portal.com (Dave - Silon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: c.s.a.advocacy in general
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 23:30:55 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

> Has anybody else noticed a pattern developing here?  Besides me?

	I have...and it would make a lovely cape for TRUSSY if only I
	had the right material.  Does anyone have the poison burlap
	and pink taffeta stretch cloth with the barbed wire lining?

	Damn these newsgroups until they start stocking better material.

- Gleepe (ye olde english spelling)
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From: andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew)
Subject: Re: flash a4000 price
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: comp
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:11:08 GMT

robert.buonincontro@canrem.com (robert buonincontro) writes:


>Skip Sauls writes,

>SS>I'd guess that other models will follow in the coming months.  If C=
>SS>were to announce an 020 or 030 AA machine (A2200?) for less than $2000,
>SS>they probably couldn't keep up with the demand.


> They might not have to release an A2200 Skip. The Amiga 3000 is selling for
>$2400 right now. With the release of the Amiga 4000 we should be seeing the 
>Amiga 3000 dropping below $2000. This would be a more attractive computer then
>an 020 Amiga! Of course the AGA chipset would have to be added.

	I don't know how true this might be, especially seeing
as how the AGA chipset cannot be put into the 3000, and that
Commodore wants to put everyone in the so-called "AGA bandwagon".
They have said that they are working on lowend AGA machines.

--Andre

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