HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tmcdonal@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Tom McDonald)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,misc.consumers,sci.environment,talk.environment
Subject: Re: Carburetors, gasoline, and why I don't recycle
Keywords: BOOM
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:46:19 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Sep2.173112.15476@news.acns.nwu.edu> drt@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Robert Toreki) writes:
>
>	With the note here about a H2-fueled car...seems like a great idea. 
>Then imagine the public horror (liability...) the first time one of these
>suckers gets creamed in an accident and goes up in a fireball.  Would make a
>Ford Pinto look like a Bic lighter.  Ever see those signs on the highway
>"TUNNEL 10 MILES" with huges warnings about carrying compressed gases?  Think
>there might be a reason for these?  Ever witness the detonation of a
>hydrogen-oxygen balloon?  Mighty impressive. 
>
>						Rob

I don't remember where I saw it, but this reminds me of an article on if
the automobile was a new invention today.  Imagine trying to sell the idea.
(Paraphrased without permission from whoever.)

Seller:  "I've invented a horseless carriage that'll take you where you're 
going several times faster than before."

Marketer:  "Sounds fantastic.  What powers it?"

S: "It runs on an petroleum based liquid called gasoline."

M: "Petroleum based?  Just how flammable is this?"

S: "Well... extremely flammable."

M: "I see.  Then I imagine you have to have many precautions handling this
gasoline."

S: "Actually, no.  You just pour it into a tank made up of sheet metal."

M: "And this is where it stays."

S: "Right.  Then it's pumped through steel and rubber hoses to the engine, 
where it burns, which is where the power comes from."

M: "Let me get this straight.  You're trying to sell a product that runs
on an extremely flammable solution that is carried by sheet metal and rubber
hoses to an engine that burns it.  Meanwhile, the people sit on top as this
is going on?"

S: "Not exactly.  The people sit behind the engine, but in front of the
storage tank - in between the two."

M: "I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you, but this will never sell.
It's inherently dangerous and it's an accident waiting to happen.  Good
day."
						-Tom
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Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.vw
From: dilmore@cray.com (Robert J. Dilmore)
Subject: Re: Info needed on VW EuroVan
Keywords: Van...slow
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: 27 Aug 92 09:50:16 CDT

In article <1992Aug27.133357.7650@m.cs.uiuc.edu> ward@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Christ Ward) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug26.232551.1149@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com> chesky@squirrel.austin.ibm.com (Bill Chesky) writes:
>
>>>One of the vans that they are looking at is the VW EuroVan (EuroSport???).
>>>They can't find much information on it since it hasn't been sold yet in
>>>the US.  They are very leary about buying a VW van since we had lots of trouble
>>>w/ our VW Vanagon a few years back.  You were lucky to reach 65 mph in that
>>>thing going down a hill w/ a tail wind.  Plus the dashboard layout was 
>>>really hokey - nobody, not even the dealership, could figure out how the
>>>airflow controls worked.  And worst of all the engine seized up - twice!
>
>I tried e-mail, but, I got bounced.  Anyway, with the new VR6 the new van
>should be O.K. on power.  The main thing I wanted to tell you was that
>VW was converting Vanagon's for free.  They (VW) would do the lift and 
>deal with the front seat as a public service for handicaped people.
>Now I don't know if they will be doing this with the new van, or even
>if the program survived very long with the Vanagon's.  I can find the  
>article (that had a 1-800 number) if your dealership is clueless or 
>whatever.  As to quality and reliablity who know's it's new.  At least
>the engine (VR6) has been out for a while in the Corrado, but most evrything
>else is new.  Oh, and I have figured out my airflow controls and I only 
>had to read the manual six times (and re-view for each new seasion) 
>complicated yes...but still the best I've ever had.  Oh well, VW's you
>either LOVE them or HATE! them...          
>
>chris ward  
>
    Ditto on the Email bounce. I just saw the first Euro van in MD at College
Park. The van looks like a BOX. The strange thing about them is that the seats
behind the drivers face backwards and do not turn. As far as the comment that
a VR6 will be put in this van,me thinks is bunk. I would think based on the 
roominess of the van it would be perfect for handicap access although not as
good as the old one for front seating unless they change the front seating 
arrangement. I believe also that the conversion is only a 1000 to 1200 dollar
credit towards the conversion. I would not think this would cover the entire
conversion. This is more likely to cover 30 to 50% of the conversion. As far
as qaulity goes, it looks tight, but my expirience with VW mechanics has been
VERY poor with the newer models. I would not think that they would be better
on the new Vanagon(Eurovan) since it appears to be radically different than the
older units. A cross post over to rec.autos.vw may get you better info though.
The van is also available in the SYNCRO which is FWD+. ALso rear seats fold
down to a bed,almost.

Robert


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: datar@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (rajendra.datar)
Subject: Which tires would you buy?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:53:02 GMT
Keywords: tires, good in dry, wet, snow, low noise.


Hello All:

I would like thank you for reading this problem and would like to seek
your opinion on buying tires for my car.

General Info:
------- -----
88 Accord 4 door LX Sedan. Currently has 48,000+ miles.
I drive the car mostly on highways between 70 and 85 MPH.
I tend to drive almost at the speed limits on small roads and
I don't corner very fast. The tire size is 185/70R13.
The originals Michelin have lasted this long and I liked them.
The front tires are ok (still plenty of thread)
but the back are not earing evenly (uneven round).
A mechanic told me that you should rotate every 3,000 miles for the
front wheel drive cars.

What I want in the tires:
---- - ---- -- --- ------
	(1) the tires to be safe upto say 85 MPH speeds;
	(2) to have good  handling on wet, dry AND snow; and
	(3) very low noise.
	(4) Excellent handling.
	(5) I want buy the same size (185/70R13) tires.

I have heard that Michelin MXV series is very good in dry conditions but is
no good on wet conditions and very bad on snow.
I will buy 4 tires and save the (current) front tires for emergencies.

What I want from you:
---- - ---- --- ----
Please let me know your opinion on:

(Q1) What tires would you buy given the above conditions and requirements?
(Q2) What price would you pay for these tire(s) and price for installation etc.?
(Q3) I need the tires mounted & balanced, plus 4 wheel alignment. What else?
(Q4) How often should I get the tires rotated?
(Q5) Do you think I should buy the hazard warranty? At what price?

Thanks for your time. I really appreciate it.
Please send me email at "att!homxb!datar".

Raju Datar..................
From: timlee@public.btr.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Strike at Saturn?
Date: 29 Aug 92 07:02:24 GMT
Reply-To: timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Followup-To: rec.autos

ar12@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
|I just heard some bits & pieces about a strike at Saturn- what's the scoop?

Not at Saturn.  At a GM parts plant that happens to be the sole supplier
of some part that Saturn needs.  Since Saturn does not keep a very large
inventory of parts, it can only go about 1 day when the parts supply is
cut off.

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Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.sport,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.misc
From: "Paul Hager" <hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: NHRA announces Piss Testing
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 02:20:22 -0500

I would suggest that any protest should be accompanied by offering
the rational alternative of impairment testing -- if safety is
the ostensible reason for the piss testing.  A short enumeration
of its benefits as against the failings of the piss test -- with
a few handy cites -- should suffice.

-- 
paul hager		hagerp@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu

"The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason."
			-- Thomas Paine, _The Age of Reason_
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers)
Subject: Re: What's a DOD number ?
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
	<26080@dog.ee.lbl.gov> <1992Sep4.175428.695@spdc.ti.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:43:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.175428.695@spdc.ti.com> orr@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Ken Orr) writes:

>     We could tell you, but then we'd have to kill you !!! Look to
>rec.motorcycles for possible clues.....

Uh oh.  Looks like there's gonna be a DoD for rec.autos next.  :-)

That's cool.  Can I play?

--
"But the fact that a 1938 touring bodied Alfa Romeo I once had is
worth $1 million sometimes bothers the hell out of me.  It's a
personal problem."                                     -Phil Hill
Iaido   Takamine   Hobie   Rossignol   Alfa Romeo  Ducati (DOD #900)
From: keys@csmes.ncsl.nist.gov (Larry Keys)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: DENTS IN CAR HOOD
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:03:47 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology

In article <BtI8BK.BuE@wpi.WPI.EDU> beuf@wpi.WPI.EDU (Richard J Fuller) writes:
>
>After taking delivery of my Brand New Geo Storm two 
>weeks ago I went on a weekend trip with some friends
>
>
>One rather STUPID one decided it would be cool to jump
>up on my hood and fool around.  Well needless to say he
>left a rather noticeable dent right in the center.  
>
>My question is how easy is it to repair dents in a HOOD and
>second how much should I expect the STUPID one to pay for
>this damage.  
>
>I called a dealer and they told me rather rudely "Get a rubber mallat
>and bang them out yourself"
>
>If I had the justice I would want. I would demand a brand new HOOD
>THe damn thing was only 11 days old.  Should I have to live with these
>little blemishes .....
>
>
>OH THE EVILS OF A NEW CAR perhapas I should just walk..........


Check your local phone book under body shop or auto detailing for a
place called "Dentworks" or similar.  They do paintless dent removal.
I don't know how it's done but it leaves no trace of the dent, and
they don't remove any paint. Its expensive though.


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        Fahrvergnugen forever!
From: billd@informix.com (William Daul)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Mitsubishi Mirage?
Summary: Any info on the Mitsubishi Mirage?
Keywords: Help, Mirage, Mitsubishi
Date: 24 Aug 92 05:23:05 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

I have a friend looking at the Mirage (1991).  She needs 
more information pro or con on this vehicle.  Any of you 
that can help...will be appreciated.  Send me email.

Thanks,  --Bill
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From: mort@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Mortensen)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 07:41:23 GMT
Subject: Re: Dealing with the dealer.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
From: greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Mitsubishi 3000GT-VR4, Toyota MR-2 Turbo
Date: 29 Aug 92 04:19:09 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <CRUM.92Aug28130541@fcom.cc.utah.edu> crum@fcom.cc.utah.edu (Gary Crum) writes:
>I'd like to hear of experiences with the Mitsubishi 3000GT-VR4, Dodge
>Stealth R/T Turbo, and Toyota MR-2 Turbo cars.  They look great to me.

I drove the MR-2, and thought it was one of the most superbly balanced
packages that could ever be put together. I drove both the turbo and
the normally-aspirated versions. The former was much smoother, much
quieter, and also *lacked* the power-steering feature, which felt
superfluous. 
 
I can't imagine anything being better, as a driver's car, for pure
enjoyment.
 
Greg
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: lcheong@novell.com (Les Cheong)
Subject: 1988 Mazda MX-6 GT for sale
Summary: 1988 Mazda MX-6 GT for sale
Keywords: Mazda, MX-6
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Distribution: 'ba'
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:13:30 GMT


FOR SALE
--------

1988 Red Mazda MX-6 GT (5-speed)
<65K miles on it.
This is the Turbo top-of-the-line MX-6, and it still runs like a kitten.

It is in PRISTINE shape!  Must see it to appreciate it...

The only thing wrong is a cracked windshield, which I got an estimate to
fix (~$370.00), which I'm already factoring into the price of the car.

I'm asking $8900.00, OBO.

If you or a friend is interested, please contact Les at
	(408) 473-8696 (work)
	(408) 453-6354 (home)

Thanks.

Les Cheong
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From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,misc.consumers,sci.environment,talk.environment
Subject: More conspiracy theories (was Re: Carburetors, gasoline )
Date: 3 Sep 92 06:55:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: dixie.xbln6w-
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

jgraham@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (the End) writes:

>I was a youngster in the sixth grade (1975) a kid in our class
>interviewed a local citizen who had developed an automobile engine
>that ran entirely on hydrogen. From the sixth graders report to the
>class we learned that the developer was unable to interest anyone from
>the auto industry in his engine, and at the time I was mystified by
>this seemingly illogical situation. Now the picture seems a lot
>clearer.

'Specially when your conspiracy imagination runs wild.

Large companys' refusal to chat with 'inventors' has nothing to
do with conspiracy and everything to do with intellectual
property law.  No company with a significant R&D effort will
even casually discuss an outsider's invention for fear of
inadvertantly becoming contaminated by his knowledge.  If
Evil_Empire Inc. discusses with Absent Minded Professor his 3000
mpg, water fueled engine and EE Inc later patents technology
relating to AMP's field of investigation, AMP can claim 
ownership and sue for the proceeds of this technology.  Since
the probability of a puttering nutcase slaving alone in his
workshop actually developing fundamentally new technology is
practically nil, no corporation is going to take the downside
risk.  Since EE Inc knows juries are almost uniformly hostile to
corps, it has zero incentive to do otherwise.

In this particular case, the reason Fruitcake Inventor was not 
entertained by Evil Empire Cars Inc should be obvious.  Hydrogen as a motor
fuel was no less impractical then than now.

John
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: McLaren F1
From: thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:27:31 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <BtKwpu.G7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> buccb@after.math.uiuc.edu (Carlos Dragonslayer Butler) writes:
>	For those interested -- articles I've found:
>"Headliner: McLaren F1 comes of age." _Motor Trend._ September 1, 1992.
>	v. 44, n. 9, p. 14.
>"McLaren F1-it would appear that the "Win on Sunday, sell on Monday"
>	axiom is about to move to an elite neighborhood." _Road & Track._
>	September 1, 1992. v. 44, n. 1, p. 102.
>Hutton, Ray. "Preview: McLaren F1." _Car and Driver._ August 1, 1992.
>	v. 38, n. 2, p. 41.

What does the term 'vapour-ware' mean to you?

As far as I know, no McLaren F1s exist in a drivable form.

Before believing it is brilliant, I'll wait until I've heard reports
from people who have driven it.
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dye@i88.isc.com (Ken R. Dye )
Subject: Re:      FIERO VS. MR2
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:52:55 GMT

In article <92245.155635JMARTIN@wuvmd.wustl.edu> JMARTIN@WUVMD writes:
>I have a friend who is torn between the two..........
>
>- What should I tell him to look for in his shopping???
>
>- He is looking at 86 - 87 Fiero GTs and the newer MR2s.  I told him
>  that he should avoid the 4 cyl. fiero but I don't know....
>  Any suggestions?

	I know little of these cars save the fact that pre-'88
Fiero's are ca-ca.  A reversed Citation drivetrain with a Chevette
front end.

	In '88 the Fiero was totally redesigned into a car that
brought rave reviews from the car rags.  Too bad that by that
time sales had plummetted and the new model didn't generate enought
interest...that was the last year it was produced.

	Either get a '88 Formula or a GT, or forget Fieros...

--Ken
--
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cviles@NeoSoft.com (Chris Viles)
Subject: Re: Mitsubishi 3000GT-VR4, Toyota MR-2 Turbo
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:34:04 GMT

In article <CRUM.92Aug28130541@fcom.cc.utah.edu> crum@fcom.cc.utah.edu (Gary Crum) writes:
>I'd like to hear of experiences with the Mitsubishi 3000GT-VR4, Dodge
>Stealth R/T Turbo, and Toyota MR-2 Turbo cars.  They look great to me.
>
>The four wheel drive and four wheel steering of the VR4 and R/T Turbo
>are particularly interesting features, to me.  Does anyone know of
>other powerful car models out now or being designed with similar drive
>systems?
>

  Four-wheel steering and AWD are nice, but they tend to add too much weight
  to the car.  I prefer a lighter car w/o 4WS and AWD but good handling to
  a heavier car that has these.


>And, for example, does anyone have purchase experiences to share,
>hopefully with a detailed example of a good price that someone bought
>one for?  This is the sort of thing that USENET quite valuable for.
>It looks like the list prices are around $35000 for the
>Mitsubishi/Dodge and $2100 for the Toyota.  What would a dealer be
>willing to sell a Mitsubishi/Dodge for, say, a 1992 model given
>several such cars on the lot?  $25000 by any chance?
>
>Thanks,
>Gary
 
 I don't know about the Mitsubishi, but I've been negotiating on a '93
 MR2 Turbo for a few weeks now.  I've found the only one within 1000 miles
 (literally!) that has the options/color I want.  With a little work, I've
 got a *loaded* MR2 for $24,000 and a 6yr/100,00mi warranty for $580.  The
 sticker was just over $28,000.  You could probably get a '92 for a lot
 less, as its last year's model and if you are willing to buy one, the
 dealer *wants* to sell it to you.

 Chris

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 13:09:37 -0400 
From: Jeremy Matthew Toeman <jt3h+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Laser Speed Guns as evidence (was Re: Radar Detector: which one?)
Distribution: usa

I seem to recall hearing that the Federal Courts were declaring Laser Guns
as insufficient reasons for pulling someone over due to the LONG list of
ways that many cars will give inconsistent results (e.g. cars w/bras,
convertibles, faded paint, short cars (CRX, Metro), 2-color cars, etc...).

I think this happened back in.. April or May. SOmeone correct me if I am
wrong please.

---

Jeremy Toeman
412-268-4199     (anytime)



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From: dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Yet another fancy piece of cops' equipment
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 12:10:36 PDT
Organization: A sure sign of a sick mind.

avk@hafnium.cchem.berkeley.edu (Tony Konashenok) writes:

> Two days ago in Marin County I was pulled over by a cop on a motorcycle.
> When he approached me, I understood that he was riding... Guess what?
> 
> ...A spanking new Harley-Davidson!

I believe Harley has always built a line of Police bikes...
> -- 
> Tony Konashenok   avk@hafnium.cchem.berkeley.edu   (510)527-7524 (home)

--
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dean@fringe.rain.com    |     Opinion.  This is my opinion on my machine.
					  Any Questions?               -me
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From: humblepie@UCDAVIS (Johny Hankyspank!)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,misc.consumers,sci.environment,talk.environment
Subject: Re: Carburetors, gasoline, and why I don't recycle
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:45:58 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: Shaved legmen and cross dressers
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
X-XXDate: Wed, 2 Sep 92 14:49:53 GMT


	In reply to Eric Huppertz, next time you need to toss a can and have 
the choice of either a trash can or recycle bin, shove it up your ass.
Really! 
	Think of another form of economics.  For instance, the removal of all 
your garbage for a year may cost one man week, but by recycling it will 
definitely take more time, say two man weeks.- More jobs!  Economy.
	Plus it doesn't matter if the stuff is never recycled - which a lot of
cans 
aren't since the tops of a can are made from a more ductile aluminum
alloy than 
the tops, you can't lump all the metal and make a complete can.  So what
the 
companies do is just refine more aluminum in third world countries where 
hydroelectric power in third world countries.  Maybe by recycling we will
not
exploit these resources anymore.  The bottom line of recycling right now
is how 
much the deposit is, i.e., what would you throw away? a nickel, dime,
quarter or dollar? 
	Also, it sounds like you have the birth given right to throw away 
whatever you please, but (in keeping with tha automobile topic) even 50 
years ago, yes the time of your parents, the curbside garbage pick-up was
very 
costly and the word of the day was reduce your trash (as in reduce,
reuse, but 
not recycle).  Abuse your right not, but your time will come, and you can
your grand
children that you once lived in a time where unlimited trash removal was
your god.

P.S. -Here of the new beer? - Called Quail Ale - because there's no head
on it.