From: fmbutt@engage.sps.mot.com (Farooq M. Butt)
Subject: Re: Wall Street Journal article by ImranAnwar
Organization: Motorola RISC Software, Austin, TX
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:47:04 GMT

In article <C0AIns.L0q@uceng.uc.edu> mghayalo@uceng.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod) writes:

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>This is true that their share to to top govt post and post gradaute degree 
>is smaller.  But this proves nothing.  The Rajputs in India form more than
>12% of the population.  They too have a much smaller share in these two areas.
>It means that either
>1. They are not interested in those jobs
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This is the classic excuse used by white-supremacists and other bigots
when explaining away the reasons why blacks in the USA are so far
behind whites.  I contend that any human be they hindu, muslim, rajput
or sikh is interested in self-betterment . Even villagers will sometimes 
save up and sacrifice in order to educate at least one child. 

>or
>2. They do not have the educational traditions to compete with others,
>   in India getting these opportunities is really difficult.  All have
>   competative examinations, and the examiners do not know the identity
>   of the examinees.  So there is no question of bias.

Well, even if that were so, assuming that there is no genetic weakness
that is manifest in the muslim population, we should see around 12% of
all IIT students and faculty be muslim right ? I believe the figure is
not even a quarter of that.  India has this interesting habit of
assigning token minority members to various "high posts" in an attempt
to make the myth of secularism seem real.  Almost every argument about
this that I have had with some of my Indian buddies ends with a
statement of the form: "well Muhammad Ali Falana Dumkana is the chief
minister of Airaa Waigharaa." This insults my intelligence, am I
expected to believe that a random political appointee will accurately
reflect the views and opinions of muslims in India ?!?  

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>
>Sikhs are the largest subgroup in the Indian army, they are also one of the
>richest communities in India. The CM of Punjab is a Sikh and the number 2 man
>in the Indian govt is a Sikh. I dont know what persecution he is talking 
>about.

Oh come on! Is the massive sikh uprising a "little trouble stirred up by 
the foreign hand" ? Face the truth, India and Pakistan are both rapidly 
becoming balkanized into religious/ethnic/national subgroups.

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>The demolition of the Mosque may be preplanned, but that does not mean
>PVNR knew about the plan in advance.  Kalyan Singh was responsible to protect
>the Mosque, which he promised to do, there was no reason for him to take
>precautions from his side.  When the BJP did not live upto its promise
>did he not dismiss all the BJP govts, arrest their leaders and ban their
>grass root organisations.  Also he does not criticize the GOP and GOB
>for not taking any measures to safegaurd their minorities, it was more
>obvious to them that there was going to be a retialation. I also suspect
>he does not know the meaning of genocide.


Pakistan has already started rebuilding damaged temples. India has 
added insult to injury by permitting the hindu hordes who destroyed 
the Babri Masjid to pray there.  The GOI has mouthed well-meaning 
slogans to pacify muslims but the truth is far from the pretty 
picture that has been painted.  Watch for a temple where the masjid stood
in 1993.

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>
>Does he mean to say that killing for economic gain is acceptable?  
>The signal that Ayodhia sends is that no fundamentalism will be accepted in
>India.  The ruling and all the opposition parties came against the BJP,
>all Indians have condemned this action.  Even Advani said that Dec 6 has
>been the saddest day in his life, remember this is the guy whose family
>had to leave Pakistani Sindh in a hurry.  
>

The signal that Ayodhya sends is that it's perfectly OK to persecute 
those "darn invading muslims."  Destroy their historic mosques and you'll 
get a ceremonial tap on the hand and a wink followed by the construction of 
a temple.  GOI's hypocrisy on the Ayodyha issue has been simply incredible.
India has a huge standing army, knowing how much radical hindus love and 
respect the muslim minority, it is beyond comprehension that the GOI would not 
have mobilized a giant, pre-emptive security force just in case.  The 
excuses of a mob having gone crazy unexpectedly make me shake my head.  
If Indian police do not know anything about a mob of 100000 religious radicals 
assembling in a random town where there is a big religious problem, then 
India must not only be in trouble but close to anarchy.

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