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From: bud@sequent.com (Pat Hauke)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49er QBs
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:23:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Dec29.202355.3924
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In article <16118@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.151404.26611@asl.dl.nec.com> nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix) writes:
>|A question from a non-49er fan:
>|
>|If you were in George Seifert's shoes next season, would you bench the
>|league MVP to give one of the all-time great QBs one more year of glory?
>|Montana has already said that he will NOT be a backup, so this is what 
>|George must do in order to keep Montana with San Francisco.
> 
>Seems to me that is what spring training is for.  Right now it's Youngs job
>to keep but shouldn't Montana have the chance to beat him out for the job.
>Forget about the MVP, last years highest rated quarterback, and all-time
>great QB's crap.  You've got two or three quarterbacks in spring training
>fighting for the starting job.  The winner is the starter and the loser
>can evaluate his options.  I bet if it were up two the three QB's that's
>exactly how they would want it.

This is foregoing the fact that Young's contract expires on Feb 1, '93. With
free agency coming up... 'what is a coach to do?'!

These are my thoughts:

1.  What if the 49er organization is just using Joe to size up how much they
    are willing to pay to keep Young. If Joe looks good, then they could argue
    that Joe, Bono, and Musgrave could keep the team going. This puts a lot of
    pressure on Young to decide if he is willing to leave SF for bigger bucks!
    He probably would leave allowing the 49ers to spend the money on Defensive
    Players coming into free agency.... e.g. Reggie White. There will probably
    be a salary cap. Since Joe is under contract one more year and has already
    been paid, this frees up a lot of dollars. (BTW: Steve Bono's contract
    expires as well; but he can be had for less money! I think!)

2.  Suppose they sign Young on Feb 1. Then what? Joe has a year left on his
    contract, right? Trade him! I'll bet they can get a real decent set of
    picks from some team like.... say... New England? or Pheonix? or
    Minnesota? Name one! Or maybe some real decent defensive backs from some
    team like... say... Name one!

3.  And maybe... just maybe... they can make it sweet enough for Joe to remain
    a back up. I do not care what he said. When high profile players and
    coaches talk to the media about real serious stuff, a lot of it turns up
    smoke! e.g. Pat Bowlen (sp) said on Nov. 30th that he really wanted Dan
    Reeves to be his coach and Dan said he had no intnetion of leaving!

No Flames, Please.... just serious discussion.... Thanks!

bud                         !
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From: jdf@ultra.com (John DeFranco)
Subject: Re: MNF announcers about Montana
Reply-To: jdf@ultra.com
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 19:22:47 GMT

In article 5792@mksol.dseg.ti.com, dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com (Dan Smith) writes:
>  Those stupid Monday Night FB announcers were driving me nuts with the
>  damn praise of Joe Montana and the 49ers. I mean a few nice words would
>  suffice. You would have thought Jesus was on the field by the way those
>  idiots were acting. I mean they literally spent 3 hours praising them.
>  Does anyone feel the same? A little praise is nice but such blatant
>  favoritism is stupid.
> 
> 


They were driving me crazy too.

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From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: MNF announcers about Montana
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:59:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.192247.22674@ultra.com>, jdf@ultra.com (John DeFranco) writes:
> In article 5792@mksol.dseg.ti.com, dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com (Dan Smith) writes:
> >  Those stupid Monday Night FB announcers were driving me nuts with the
> >  damn praise of Joe Montana and the 49ers. I mean a few nice words would
> >  suffice. You would have thought Jesus was on the field by the way those
> >  idiots were acting. I mean they literally spent 3 hours praising them.
> >  Does anyone feel the same? A little praise is nice but such blatant
> >  favoritism is stupid.
> 
> They were driving me crazy too.


That they do. I usually shut off the volume and listen to Jack Buck 
and Hank Starm on CBS radio. But the problem there is that the play-by-
play man, Jack Buck, is getting real bad at doing football. His call goes
like this, "Montana throws.. caught.. nice gain. Rice makes the catch". 
Where did Montana throw? short? deep? left? right? middle? Or the call 
goes, "Smith runs the ball for a gain of 2 yds." Which direction did he
run? off-tackle? left/right? middle? sweep? Radio announcers [the Chargers
guy too does this] don't tell you often if the play goes left or right?
"Caught at the sideline." Which sideline, dumbkoff??





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From: daveb@Ingres.COM (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Subject: Re: For New York Giants & 49er Fans
Originator: daveb@lotus
In-reply-to: Larry Simmons (larry@aecom.yu.edu)
Reply-To: daveb@lotus (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:41:47 GMT

In article <1249@alsys1.aecom.yu.edu>, Larry Simmons (larry@aecom writes:
>
>It looks like it's time for a new QB. Not Simms, Not Hoss. Graham looked good
>enough to wonder if they made a mistake on Brown. But it's still too early.

How about trading for Montana?  He'll be available, and might give the
Ignats time to develop someone younger.  Do the Giants have any[thing|one]
the Niners would want in return?

-dB

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From: heavy-metal@vnet.ibm.com
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 09:48:21 CST
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: The Bet: Green Bay Bob vs. Minnesota Chad . . . YOUR ON!

I called Chad last night and the bet is on. After the Packers beat the
Vikings on Sunday he's going to buy each of us a nice Packer shirt that
he will get to wear all day Saturday.

For all you other Packer Fans out there, team up with a Viking fan and take
their money!

It'll be great watching Sterling break the record against the Vikes. ahhhh

Chad: I'll be calling you on Sunday when I get home from the dome, and I'm
going to be VERY obnoxious!

May the BEST team win!! (BEST team = Green Bay Packers)

Green Bay Bob
I'll take a Vikingburger . . . with CHEESE!


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From: zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Detroit Lions ....Orphans of NFC-Central
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:25:06 GMT

In article <C014wA.I7w@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ) writes:
>With all this rivalry between the Vikes and the Pack in the
>NFC Central, one team which is overlooked for the next
>season are the Lions.  I wonder howmuch is the intensity
>of the rivalry between the Lions and the Pack and the Lions
>and the Vikes. I also do not see any Detroit Lions fans on
>the net or are they just keeping low as the Lions have
>played dismally this year.
>
>But going by yesterday's game against the 9ers, I should say
>that the Lions looked very promising with their young QB,
>Adre Ware at the helm. A team which has been riddled with
>injuries and tragedies, IMO, should defenitely be a threat
>next year, aided by a 5th place schedule.
>
>To all Pack, Bear and fellow Viking fans: We might be making
>a mistake here by overlooking the Lions and getting engrossed
>in our inter-team bitching :-):-).
>Just some food for ur football thoughts.
>
>S.H
>

speaking of over-looking....  your forgot one of the teams
in that division...   :-)
From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The NFC Playoffs Begin
Date: 30 Dec 1992 14:50:51 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
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In article <IfEERe_00WDKIFlp0u@andrew.cmu.edu> vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon) writes:
 >Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 29-Dec-92 The NFC Playoffs
 >Begin 4E150M@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (748)
 >
 >> Congratulations to the Dallas Cowboys, NFC East Champs.  The most
 >> wins (13) in team history.  A team that will be a force in the
 >> NFL for years to come, with fine coaches, management, and players.
 >
 >
 >I agree with you on this (although I don't like the idea! ;D) but what
 >if free agency happens in the off-season!? With some of the egos in
 >Dallas, I wouldn't be surprised to see the team practically dismantled,
 >except that Jones will probably pay them through-the-nose to keep them
 >all there.........
 >
 >what do you folks think?
 >
 >--Vernon.


Well, Jerry Jones said last week that some form of Freedom for players
will help the Cowboys because most players in the NFL would sign on with them
in a minute. 

Go Cowboys !!!!
tim
From: heavy-metal@vnet.ibm.com
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 12:59:42 CST
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Chuck Cecil-Cheap Shot Artist?

I think that if Chuck Cecil were a cheap shot artist, the players wouldn't
have chosen him for the pro-bowl. I don't agree with spearing people but
who knows what the circumstances were? There has been a lot of discussion
in the papers as to remarks Vikings made to the Packers during the game,
especially after the Vikings pretty much had the game in the bag. That
doesn't sound to professional, either.

What would you call it when John Randall clotheslined Darrel Thompson? I
would consider that a cheap shot.

Either way, if Chuck Cecil is a cheap shot artist, I would have hoped that
the players wouldn't have sent him to the pro bowl. Its easy enough to get
hurt playing football, there is no need to intentionally do something that
could cause another player injury. Cheap shots have no place in the NFL.

I happen to like Chuck Cecil and the Packers.

Green Bay Bob

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From: statz@gagme.chi.il.us (Louis B. Del Boccio)
Subject: Week #16 Results
Originator: statz@gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 06:23:13 GMT



INDEX === sap --> s.tatz a.ction p.oints predicted score.
          RS  --> actual score.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|            sap * RS  |            sap * RS  |            sap * RS |
| K.C. -7.5 = 20 * 21  | T.B.      = 17 * 14  | Buff      = 21 * 20 |
| NY.G      = 19 * 35  | S.F. -20  = 24 * 21  | N.O. -3   = 16 * 20 |
|                      |                      |                     |
|----------------------+----------------------+---------------------|
|                      |                      |                     |
| Hou  -1.5 = 20 * 17  | Rams      = 17 * 13  | Minn      = 17 *  6 |
| Clev      = 19 * 14  | G.B. -6.5 = 24 * 28  | Pits -1   = 23 *  3 |
|                      |                      |                     |
|----------------------+----------------------+---------------------|
|                      |                      |                     |
| N.E.      = 16 * 10  | Phoe      = 23 * 13  | Wash      = 21 * 13 |
| Cinn -4.5 = 26 * 20  | Indy -2.5 = 20 * 16  | Phil -3   = 23 * 17 |
|                      |                      |                     |
|----------------------+----------------------+---------------------|
|                      |                      |                     |
| S.D. -3   = 17 *  6  | Seat      = 17 *  6  | Chi       = 19 *  3 |
| Raiders   = 24 * 14  | Den  -9   = 21 * 10  | Det  -2.5 = 24 * 16 |
|                      |                      |                     |
|----------------------+----------------------+----------------------
|  ( Sun-night )       | ( Mon-night )        |
| NY.J      = 16 * 17  | Dall -7   = 27 * 41  |
| Mia  -11  = 24 * 19  | Atla      = 24 * 17  |
|                      |                      |
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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Subject: Re: Playoff games - NFC
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 18:37:25 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Hi Shankar,

Looks like u have got some major problems with baseball.
And u label all the players as cry-babies. Wonder
what baseball ever did to u.  BTW, I can show u a
lot of classy players in baseball and a fair share
of *crybabies* in the NFL.

S.H
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From: awhitton@bnr.ca (Alan Whitton)
Subject: Re: For New York Giants Fans
Reply-To: awhitton@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:02:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.142101.1371@walter.bellcore.com>, cpg@caribbean.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Curt Goedde) writes:
|> In article <4219@ncrsoph.Sophia.NCR.COM>, tdonnell@ncrsoph.Sophia.NCR.COM (Tom Donnelly) writes:
|> |> In article <1992Dec22.002632.25620@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu) writes:
|> |> >Ray Handley and Rod Rust **must** GO!!
|> |> >
|> |> >End of Discussion.
|> |> >
|> |> >But who can we get to replace them?
|> |> 
|> |>  A good question.  I have seen the rumors about Parcells wanting to come
|> |>  back here on the net, but who else is available, and could they handle
|> |>  the NY Press and us ever - loving fans?
|> |> 
|> 
|>     Two other names being tossed around by the NY/NJ press are
|>     Dave Wannstedt (sp?) (defensive coordinator for the Cowboys) and
|>     John Robinson (ex-coach of the Rams).

No matter WHO (whom?) the Giants pick, the next couple of years are going
to be "interesting" years. 

The question is who should GO on the Giants?

       Ray :       Sorry Ray, you just couldn't win, and I sympathize, but
                   you shoulda gone to law school :-(

       Hostetler:  Please retire before your bell is rung permanently. Anyone
                   who has had that many concussions, is not in great shape.

       Rod Rust:   Players don't respect him, and since you can't trade
                   an entire defense, lose the coach. Bring back Bellichek (sp?)
                   he may be in need of a job soon :-)

       Carl Banks: Didn't he almost punch out Handley (or was it 
                   Pepper Johnson)? Any player who does something as 
                   arrogant as that, should be disciplined or traded.
       
Any other comments?

Christmas Cheers,
Alan Whitton
Bleeding Blue, Red and White
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From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Cowboys clinch NFC East
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:46:28 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

The Cowboys beat the Falcons 41-17 to clinch the NFC East divisional title.
It was a game that was pure heaven for Cowboy fans and Jerry Glanville/Deion
Sanders haters.  I still can't decide which was better:  seeing the Cowboys'
offense manhandle the Falcons' defense, or seeing Deion made mistake after
mistake . . . after mistake.

The Falcons' D-line, beset by injuries, was no match for the Cowboys' O-line,
who pushed them around all day.  Emmitt had gaping holes to run through,
and responded with probably his best game of the year, 24 carries for 174
yards, a 7.3 average.  The pass protection for Troy was phenomenal, as well.
He was not sacked, never even hurried during the game.  As a result, he
also had a great game, going 18-21 for 239 yards, three TDs and no INTs.
It could have even been better -- two of his misses where just-overthrown
bombs to Irvin and Harper, who had beaten Sanders and McKyer, respectively.

The defense seemed to play well, despite giving up ~370 yards of offense.
They sacked Wilson three times, and Tolliver once, for a total of 37 yards.
There were four fumbles by the Falcons, three of which the Cowboys recovered
(and I'm at a loss to figure out how they didn't get the fourth -- there
was a ball on the field and about five Cowboys around it).  Wilson had a
great day, though.  The Cowboys limited the Falcons to 40 yards of rushing,
but considering their rushing game, this doesn't seem to be any great
feat.

I loved the game, though, because it showed what a pretender Sanders really
is.  Irvin turned him inside, outside, upside-down, including one strike
where Sanders was all over Irvin, and Irvin not only caught the ball, but
got away from Sanders and raced for another 30 yards, leaving Sanders
way behind, kneeling on the astroturf.  Sanders also fumbled a kickoff,
and should have been called for a safety late in the game when he carried
another kickoff into the endzone and "downed" it.  The Falcons also tried to
get Sanders into the running game, of all things.  As a result, his lifetime
run average now stands at:  -4.0.

Other milestones:  Troy Aikman now has enough completions to be listed on
the all-time passing statistics.  He currently is third in completion
percentage, behind Montana and Kelly.  Emmitt Smith closed the gap between
himself and Barry Foster for the rushing title.  Foster has 1587 yards,
Smith 1582; the next closest is Thurman Thomas, with 1390.  In addition,
Aikman has 3367 passing yards; if he gets 133 against Chicago next week,
Aikman-Smith will become only the second QB-RB tandem to pass for 3500
yards and run for 1500.

The playoff picture:  with the win, the Cowboys clinched not only the
division, but a first round bye and, I think, home field in the second
round.  I'm not sure what happens if New Orleans wins next week and the
Cowboys lose.  It looks like the Eagles and the Saints will play each
other, and the Cowboys will play the winner of that game.

Daniel Welch
From: marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Bob Marshall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Best Facial Expressions of the Week, Foster, MVP Montgomery, Booths
Date: 30 Dec 92 07:20:45 GMT
Reply-To: marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California

In article <63102@mimsy.umd.edu>, sjsmith@cs.umd.edu (Stephen Joseph Smith) writes:
>In article <16117@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>>In article <103346@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>> 
>>|PS Anyone else notice the look on Steve Young's face?  Let's see, he leads the
>>|Niners to the best record in the NFL, is the highest rated passer in the
>>|league, will probably lead the team to the NFC Championship game and all 
>>|50,000 Niner fans wanted was "Joe! Joe! Joe!"
>>
>>I thought Sieferts expressions were better.  After Montana ran for a first
>>down the show Siefert with kind of a satisfied grin on his face.

You stole my thunder! I was going to comment on the fact that that was the
first time I had seen Seifert smile on the sidelines all season! And he
did it again after the TD pass to Jones. I have to admit, I was smiling, too!

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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON)
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:40:44 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.220035.19884@novell.com> barrey@Novell.com (Barrey Jewall) writes:

>(Oh well, so much for my objectivity!)
>Anyone know what a single ticket to the Big Dance goes for these days???

Depends on how big your cajones are.  I've never done it, but I'm willing
to bet that if you went to the event, kept your eyes on the last-minute
ticket vendors, and waited until five minutes before kickoff, you could
get something for face value.

I did this in '82 when the Niners played the Bowboys for the NFC title.
Granted, it wasn't *the* Big Dance, but it was about as big as NFL games
got in these parts.
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