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From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li)
Subject: Re: News readers from ROT(Re: Hello from news reader in China)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:03:25 GMT


In article <1992Sep4.170937.6409@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, ghe@nyx.cs.du.edu (George He) writes...
>In article <1992Sep4.162012.7728@engage.pko.dec.com> li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li) writes:
>>
>>In article <1992Sep4.152707.3933@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, ghe@nyx.cs.du.edu (George He) writes...
>>> 
>>>I guess the following will be more appropriate:
>>> 
>>>Long live China unificationists.
>>>Because you have to live at least 80 more years to see this happen peacefully.
>>>Currently, unification with the obnoxious China is against the will
>>>of more than 80% Taiwanese.
>>
>>CURRENTLY, yes, unification with the obnoxious China is also against the will 
>>of more than 79% Mainlanders, in my opinion. After all, TI and re-unification 
>>are just two of options. I think CURRENTLY majority people on Taiwan prefer
>>"maintain status-quo but keeping TI and re-unification options open".
>>
>>>If commies use military force, I probably  won't be able to  see the 
>>>brutal unification happen because I (I believe a lot more Taiwanese as well) 
>>>will fight to my last breath to resist invasion from China.
>>>And I guess mainlanders have to sleep more carefully after 
>>>military take-over, because we, our son, our grandgrand son 
>>>will be foe forever.
>>
>>Military take-over? Many mainlanders will fight to the last breath as you,
>>dont worry.
>>
>>Tom
> 
>I felt that Tom misunderstood my words, somehow.
> 
>*Mainlanders* in my term are "citizens of PRC",
>not WSR in Taiwan - a stupid acronym I avoid using.
> 
>*Taiwanese* in my term are "people who currently live in Taiwan or is born in
>Taiwan." That, of course, includes WSR (I have try my best to avoid using 
>this acronym. However, in order to communicate, I can't but use some
>commonly used acronyms.)

YES, we are all in a happy family after all, right? :-)

I believe many citizens of PRC have no interest fighting with people on 
Taiwan except under CCP's order. I dont believe CCP can last long if she 
resists the changes. 

Tom
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cyang@tacit.Eng.Sandy.Novell.COM (Cheng Yang)
Subject: Re: [News] PRC Announces Further Loosened Policies on Overseas Students
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:47:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.144637.22361@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> zliu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Zhong Liu) writes:
>
>My understanding is, for these people, after they get green cards,
>they frequently feel very, very guilt because CCP once treated them
>very well and gave them chances to go outside. 


Freedom to travel outside of China should be a basic human rights.  




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Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:24490 soc.culture.hongkong:10360 soc.culture.taiwan:12724
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tuesday, 1 Sep 1992 13:01:34 MST
From: <ASHZJ@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Let me tell you what CHINA needs NOW.
 <1992Sep1.144845.3679@vax.muskingum.edu>


For all of us CSS who ever lived in the Chinese society (not just schools), we
know that whatever you contribute to the society (if ever possible) is either
wasted by the government or taken into the pockets of those CCP officials.

Obviously, China now needs POLITICINAS, not SCIENTISTS OR ENGINEERS.
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: "Banana"'s sexuality and social status
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:34:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

The original post is emotional, but his main views:
 1)Asian American men are not attractive to feamales in USA
 2)Asian American don't have a comfortable social status
are comfirmed by
 1)More Asian (American) women/white man couples than white
man/Asian (American) man.
 2)Whinning of Asian American men in soc.culture.asian.american.
Regarding the gayman's stuff, I don't have much to say, but
I have seen an article on monkeys, that article says, the leading
monkey(it's always male) often sits on the weaker male's back, 
doing a certain posture, the author thinks that the leading monkey 
is showing his power by implying the weaker one is like a female.  
There is a Chinese slang "jue2 yi4 chi1 xiong2" (litterally,
determain  male or felmale), which means "see who is the
stronger", Xiong2 in Chines words for hero Ying1 Xiong2 also means
male.
I don't know if there is another version of this picture in our human
being society, 
I don't agree with Mr. Shi's language style, but the topic itself
is important to our oversea Chinse.
Ze Yang.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? 
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:45:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.192107.1704@news.acns.nwu.edu> zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin) writes:
>~In article <1992Aug25.143807.12175@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>
>>
>>
>>Do you buy the Lei Feng story, too? Or just the Dalai Lama story?
>>
>>
>  Yes, I do. And for a very good reason.  I have a college roommate at my
>freshman year who has a relative worked with Lei Feng.  According to his
>relative, Lei Feng did exist and he was a very nice and helpful guy.  I am not
>denying the Chinese propaganda makes him bigger than life, but that is just
>how the media work.  If you donot trust the media, then you should not trust
>Dalai Lama is as good as how the western society portraits him.  Then we won't
>have any arguement, wiil we?
>  One thing I really donot want to buy is a criticism on a Chinese story by a
>non-Chinese citing a reference from another non-Chinese.
>  BTW, it looks like we are from the same school.
>  
>  Brian
>

	One, I *never* said that the Dalai Lama is as good as Western 
society portrays him: you read that in yourself. All I suggested was that
perhaps the human skins in the Potala were put there by the CCP and not
the Dalai Lama.

	Two, if I must *be* Chinese and/or *quote* Chinese in order for
you to buy my criticism, then do you mean that you think all Westerners
are either anti-China or seriously misinformed about China?








Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Subject: Latest Status Question
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:55:46 GMT


Can anyone please give the latest status of the Protection Bill?  I know it
passed the house.  When is the Congressional vote due?  What are the outcomes
likely to be, etc.   I realize most of you probably already know this
information, but I rely on this newsgroup to inform me.  Thanks.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:18:07 EDT
From: <KXL11@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: CND subscription

I've tried to subscribe to CND by sending e-mails to "cnd-info@djohn-sun.kent.e
du" several times but all rejected by mail carrier as undeliverable mails. Can
anyone help me with the CORRECT CND e-mail id? Thanks! Liu Kang 9/2/1992
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: [News] PRC Announces Further Loosened Policies on Overseas Students
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:59:36 GMT

In article <(~{5K6,F=~})DENG.92Aug28165624@math12.bnlux1.bnl.gov> deng@bnlux1.bnl.gov (~{5K6,F=~}) writes:
>>>>>> In article <1992Aug28.185849.10234@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu>
>>>>>> "Eddie" == Eddie Cheng <echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>
>  Eddie> |Guess not. Saw a documentary about cat-family on PBS, it's more
>  Eddie> likely that |the cat will wait PATIENTLY until the rat comes out
>  Eddie> that rat hole ;-).
>
>  Eddie> 	Hmm, what happens if the mice somehow immigrate into a
>  Eddie> tiger hole and live happily thereafter?  :-)
>
>Tigers don't have holes.

  Tigers can have caves, which can have holes. 

>                          Besides, cats and tigers are families, I doubt
>mice would live close to the cat-family ;-).

  In reality, it's not uncommon that mice and cats live under the same roof.

-ping
From: zzhang@ruhets.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Reply from NBC?
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:51:20 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Some time ago, there was a letter sent to NBC proteting over the NBC coverage
of Olympics. The letter was sent by UC Berkley and Stanford students. Any 
reply from the network? If any, what kind? If not, is there anything else 
that can be done?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Subject: Re: [News] PRC Announces Further Loosened Policies on Overseas Students
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:58:49 GMT

In article <(~{5K6,F=~})DENG.92Aug28143234@math12.bnlux1.bnl.gov> deng@bnlux1.bnl.gov (~{5K6,F=~}) writes:
>>>>>> In article <1992Aug28.140845.21411@ctr.columbia.edu>
|>>>>> "Yanbin" == Yanbin Yu <yu@sioux.ctr.columbia.edu> writes:
|
|  Yanbin> It is like a game between the mouse and cat. If they cannot
|  Yanbin> capture you, cat will be a very nice animal to a mouse.
|
|Guess not. Saw a documentary about cat-family on PBS, it's more likely that
|the cat will wait PATIENTLY until the rat comes out that rat hole ;-).


	Hmm, what happens if the mice somehow immigrate into a tiger hole
and live happily thereafter?  :-)


    Eddie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hongde@ms.uky.edu (Hongde Luo)
Subject: For your information
Keywords: PAL to NTSC or NTSC to PAL.
Followup-To: me
Summary: Video letter service
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:30:30 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

                            For Your Information
SINO-AMERICAN Translation Service Co. is providing a service to convert video
tapes from PAL (TV system used in main land China and India) to NTSC (TV system
used in US) and the other way around. For information, call (606)-224-4307. 
Their services are prety good, in my opinion.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: Protection bill
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:46:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.161109.5235@rigel.econ.uga.edu>, jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu writes...
>In article <27AUG199209254080@>s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes:
>>
>>>Agree, let the people themselves to decide where they want to live.
>>>The so called protection bill is just to give Chinese students here
>>>a chance to choose to stay or to go back. If someone is determined to
>>>stay, what's the good to force him/her to go back!?
>> 
>>The protection bill is not just as simple as give you the choice. If somebody
>>told your son that he did not have to stay with you, he could stay with him, 
>>and the guy told you that your son was under his protection. What do you
>>think? After all, we are not endangered spieces. We do have the ability to
>>fight for our survival. We do have the right to fight for the better future
>>of our country. what the hell the protection bill can do
> 
>Assume your logic that country=parents is right(which I don't think so),
>considering the facts that the parents had abused the children for
>more than 40 years and the children are not happy living with them,
>I would say they better find a happier life some where else.

>So, here is the Hillary! 
>>Daniel
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.travel.air
From: mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Do I need HK visa to go China ?
Bcc:  mitchell
Reply-To: mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell)
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:38:55 GMT

in rec.travel.air, kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer) said:

>Like most questions asked in this newgroup, the answer is "check with
>your travel agent and/or the airline.

And if the question involves visas, it's a good idea to call the
local consulate (British Consulate, for Hong Kong).  Travel agents
and airlines sometimes don't have all the answers, and sometimes
will give you their best guess as if it was hard fact.

-- 
mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:42:40 GMT

In article <27AUG199221361527@phobos.ucc.umass.edu>  
s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes:
> In article <1992Aug27.224141.1238@news.acns.nwu.edu>,  

> Carl, I think you missed the point. You said that it is up to the people
> to decide. What people? Let's say the people in Tibet(I do not know
> whether it will be the majority, let's assume it is the majority) want
> to independence. But if the majority of the people in China wants to keep
> the integrety of the country, which part of the people you are going to up
> to? Do not be fooled. People do not decide anything. It is the power plays!
> China just set up diplomatic tie with Seoul. Why can China have ties
> with both Korea but nobody, even the United States, could have diplomatic
> relations with "both China"? Power! Political and Military power!
> By the way, Tibet has been a part of China since 1351! This history is much 
> longer than the history of the United States.Do you know the story of Wang
> Zhao-Jun? British role in Tibet was less than 100 years and it did not 
> recognize Tibet's independence either.
> c.q. from MA

So, according to your point, we can occupy almost every countries on the earth  
because China fortunately and unfortunately has the largest population. It  
simply doesn't make any sense! It is up to the people who have been lived there  
for thousands of years to choose their future. I also don't think Britain can  
choose future for the Tibetans either.

You comment about China's relationship to both North and South Korea is a very  
good example of our so-called "Chinese Virtue". We can do whatever we want and  
meantime we don't allow other people to do the same thing we have be doing. Is  
it fair! A lot of us Chinese never think about this. They always take it for  
granted.

Finally, if I am not wrong, I don't think Wang Zhao-Jun went to Tibet. She went  
to north where probably is the People's Republic of Mongolia now. 

Carl
From: MaoTseDong@red.heaven.com
Subject: Re: Anonymous Mail
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:48:21 GMT


Young Chinese comrades on Earth:

1.- Comrade Liu@NJIT confirms "INTERNET is not a secure network".

You're absolutely correct.

2.- Comrade Me Mann@UDenver keeps boastfully saying "it is not
 impossible to trace down" and "it is easy to trace" the oringinator
 of faked messages.

You really want to have a job with our People's Friendly Police
Department?  Then why don't you try to trace this Mao?  If you
find my real identity, then post to SCC.  Otherwise, shut up.
I assure that you would only catch a ghost sender!!!!

Mao
From: dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Shen Tong is "grabbed"
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:31:03 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University


   Shen Tong is "grabbed" by the police, that is the word used by his
"American Advisor" (sounds like a CIA man, doesn't it).  But what more
interests me is the word "grabbed", not arrest.  The Chinese also don't
usually use "arrest" (di4-bu3), when someone is taken away by the police,
they are said to be "grabbed" (bei4-zhua1-qi3-lai2-liao3).  :-)

   Of course you know the implication is that China is a lawless country,
no arrests, only "grabs".

dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liang@cs.scarolina.edu (Da Dong Liang)
Subject: Re: BNN News
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date:  4 Sep 92 16:45:51 GMT

pk99nom@pga.ts.com (Pal K.) writes:

>I know I am in no position to be picky on other people's English.
>But isn't that silly to fake a piece of "network" news with such
>an ill-mannered piece of waste? I know the author tried to sound
>as authentic as he could, but wouldn't it be better to claim the
>above was a translation from an article of, say, People's Daily?
>At least that way the author could get a perfect excuse for the
>numerous grammatical errors. An American news service, of course,
>may also make those errors, but I gether it would spread them
>over its lifetime.

>So much for the grammar. Now, I conclude the author of the "news"
>failed the test of his cynicism, too. For such a person with
>this evident lack of the knowledge of American judicial system
>and journalism, his deed only made him a fool before everybody.

>By the way, dear reporter of BNN, the act you have been trying
>to describe in your "news" is called shoplifting, which is not
>a mere violation of "Kmart law", but a federally presecutable
>crime.

It seems to me that your grammar is not better than T. Bao's. 
And you lack of a sense of humor. Hope it won't keep you from
mainstream for a lifetime.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: pcalvert@nyx.cs.du.edu (P. Calvert)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 05:37:13 GMT



yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) wrote:
>The fact is that, Chinese are too humane, that stops our nation's
>development, and results in our nation's unsolvable internal conflicts,
--
 
I think I know what you are alluding to here.  A few Chinese people sent
me some e-mail saying that the Chinese are too humane.  They then went on
to say, half seriously, that there would be fewer problems in Tibet today
if they had simply gone ahead and killed all the Tibetans.
From: me@known.to.you
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Thanks! ~{Qa 7*}
Summary: private
Keywords: acknowledgement
Date: 29 Aug 92 03:04:08 GMT
Followup-To: previous communication (private)
Distribution: ny
Organization: No big deal really
Originator: leiz@site.near.nym
Reference: <123456789.abcde.fgh>


	Magician@exchange.xxxx.xxx.xxx: Xiao-di Pei Fu, Pei Fu. You
	really gou4 friend. Stop by any time, I like to talk to you.
					~{Bl  3*~}
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: Awards To Medalists, What A Waste!
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 15:16:02 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor


I don't see what's wrong about paying money (big money) to the medalists.
For God's sake, do you think everyone *could* be a medalist?  Do you think
I wave a bag of 10000 US$100 dollar bills in front of you could make you win
the platform diving?  Of course not!  Hard works, dedication and great
trainings are only some of the ingredients of making a medalist.  But don't 
you need atheletic talents?  The medalists use their atheletic talents and
abilities wisely and excellently, and they deserve financial security and 
rewards.

Just like you're born businessman, having all the business talents.  Don't
you deserve big bucks?  Our society rewards those people with talents in
direct proportion.  So why rewarding these talented atheletes make such a
big deal?

No one should expect every athelete to be a holy person, sacrify all his/her
lives for sport.  As you win a medal after all these gruelling years of
hard work, you must still face the reality.  Most people will forget about
you and you must eat and make a living.


- Louis
From: dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: When does a Chinese become an American?
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:43:11 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes: 
> 	Suppose the U.S. Green Card Bill becomes law. Every Chinese who
> applies for a green card does so (at least officially) with the intent of
> becoming a U.S. citizen. If a Chinese becomes a U.S. citizen does he or
> she then share the blame and glory of America?
> 
> 	For instance, will he or she share the blame for the Vietnam War,
> for the atomic bombs dropped on Japan, the bullying of China, the 
> extermination of Native Americans, etc.?
> 
> 	Can he or she take credit for the first moon walk, the first actor
> president :-), etc.?
> 
> 	I personally am a second generation American. Yet because I have
> white skin and speak fluent English I feel that American history is somehow
> partly my responsibility. Will the new Chinese U.S. citizens (or their 
> children) feel the same way? Should they? Should I?

   When a Chinese becomes an U.S. citizen, he or she becomes an immigrant.
He or she is not an NBA (Native Born American), and I would define NBAs as
"Americans".  The immigrants are not really Americans, there are what they
are, -- immigrants.  Their children, if born and brought up in the US, will
be Americans, and their children will share America's blame and glory.

   Your parents are immigrants, (and maybe US citizens), but not Americans,
you are.

dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
From: ski@milton.u.washington.edu (Jeff Wasierski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Are there major ethnic divisions inside China?
Summary: Would there be major ethnic strife should China go democratic?
Keywords: Ethnic, conflict, democracy
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:52:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep3.195213.2773
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Please excuse me if this question has been answered in earlier posts.  
I havn't been reading this group, but it seemed like the right place to
ask.

I, like most other people on this planet, have been watching the conflicts
that have arisen in the former USSR and what is now left of Yugoslavia since
they started down the road toward democracy.  Many of the articles I've read 
lately on China have either been about its swing toward capitalism/consumerism
or about the clamoring of the people for a more free state.

My question is:  If China were to make a dramatic course change toward a more
free, democratic state, do there exist ethnic divisions within the country
strong enough to create the kind of conflict portions of the former USSR and 
Yugoslavia are experiencing?  Both the former USSR and Yugoslavia were created
by uniting other countries, or portions thereof, under the same flag -- and
maintaining order by way of a strong state.  It's only logical that when that
strong state goes away, so does the cooperation between the different peoples.
However, China has always struck me as a relatively homogeneous society --
similar to Japan (if you will excuse the comparison).  With the obvious 
exception of Tibet, I can't think of any major ethnic conflicts that would
break out within the country should its current strong government dissolve.

That's why I came here.  Any remarks would be appreciated.  If the subject
is old hat, please feel free to email me directly.

Thanks.

-ski

Jeff Wasierski		ski@milton.u.washington.edu
			University of Washington