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From: newbery@zonda.atd.ucar.edu (Santiago Newbery)
Subject: Programa sobre Latino America en PBS (TV)
Keywords: America
Organization: National Center for Atmospheric Research
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:02:45 GMT

Hola y Feliz A~o a todos,

Esta semana debuto una nueva serie en PBS, titulada "Americas".
Consiste de 12 episodios de 1 hora c/u. El primero es sobre
la historia moderna de Argentina empezando por la epoca de
Peron. Aca en Colorado empiezo anoche (lunes 4) a las
20:00 hrs. (MST) por el canal 6. A las 21:00 continuo con
un episodio sobre Brasil. Consulten sus TV guias para las
horas y canales locales. Se que en otros lugares se pasa
otros dias, asi que alomejor todavia lo agarran. El 3ro
es sobre Mexico.
chau,


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: CIA Agent on Che's Assassination
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:19:00 GMT
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Subject: CIA Agent on Che's Assassination
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CIA AGENT DESCRIBES GUEVARA EXECUTION

In an interview that ran in the Oct. 9 issue of the Catalan
magazine La Vanguardia, retired CIA agent Felix Rodriguez took
credit for executing Comandante Ernesto "Che" Guevara in Bolivia
exactly 25 years earlier. Rodriguez, a Cuban-American Bay of Pigs
veteran, was sent to Bolivia by the CIA to help capture Guevara,
who was trying to establish a guerrilla movement in the Andes,
and bring him back alive; instead, he says, the Bolivian military
caught the Argentine-born Cuban revolutionary and ordered
Rodriguez to execute the prisoner. According to Rodriguez,
Guevara was a broken man, wounded and looking "like a beggar,"
but retaining "firmness and dignity." Rodriguez says he told
Guevara: "Comandante, I'm sorry. I've tried to save your life,
but the orders of the Bolivian high command are that we execute
you." Guevara turned pale, Rodriguez goes on, but then became
very calm and said: "It's better that way. I never ought to have
been taken alive." Rodriguez says he shot Guevara at an angle in
order to maintain the fiction that the Cuban leader had been
killed in combat. For the same reason, Rodriguez took only one
picture of the prisoner before executing him. Rodriguez, who
later ran the contra resupply operation from El Salvador, now
lives in retirement in Miami. [Semanal, supplement to La Jornada
(Mexico) 11/29/92]

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: cortes@enuxva.eas.asu.edu (Enrique Cortes-Rello)
Subject: Re: Human rights in the USA.
Summary: :)
Keywords: USA
Organization: Arizona State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:16:12 GMT

In article <21090@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
> Julio writes:
> 
>        A republican I know always asks me why don't they go to
>         Latinoamerica. I haven't read about Haitians going to
>         Mexico for instance neither to the Dominican Republic.
>         I think theirs is the same reason of the majority of
>         emigrants coming to the USA. The economy is much better
>         here. I think this is the wealthiest country on Earth,
>         am I wrong ?
> 
> Well Julio if your right, then our policy towards keeping the Haitians out
> is entirely justified.  There simply economic refugees who should stay in
> Haiti and pick a number like everyone else.  We open our doors to political
> refugees who are fleeing persecution for their political views, we don't welcom
> people who wan't to come here simply to make a buck.  I hopee your wrong
   ************************************************** 
             like Edelmiro? :) :) 

> on this one for the sake of the Haitians. I only believe we should give them
> a fair hearing where they can prove to the INS that the are fleeing becausee
> the have been dissidents under fire or whatever.  Perhaps the place to do this
> is Guantanamo Bay.
> 
> Edelmiro
> 

ENRIQUE
From: chamberk@ucs.orst.edu (Kevin Chambers)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Human Rights in Cuba
Date: 4 Jan 1993 06:41:29 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucs.orst.edu
Summary: More stupidity

In article <20688@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
>
>>        I don't believe that you can call call Castro a nationalist in the
>>sense that he puts interests of the national state above the working class.
>>Remember, this is the Cuba that sent troops to Angola and supported the
>>Sandinistas, Allende's Chile, and other movements that claimed to be working
>>class.  
>
>Sure, but these movements represented no working class.  They represented the 
>radicalized middle class. . . .

the middle class is a subset of the working class, since they obviously
work to support themselves.  Your generalization is absurd.

[. . .]
>>Don't talk to me about homophobia in Cuba when all you have to
>>do is step outside your front door and it's staring you in the face!
>
>In my face?  We just happened to pass civil rights legislation to protect 
>homosexuals (which by the way are the most affluent minority in the nation) 
>from discrimination in California. . . .

Ignorance is an oft-forgotten form of the oppression of Gays and Lesbians.
Didn't you just mention the value of a peice of paper in a previous 
writing? Oh, that was in regards to CUBA, and your generalization perhaps
is restricted to nations that you don't like.  There is NO dependable
source available in the United States saying how much money Gays and Lesbians
make.  Since the oppression of homosexuals is so strong, those who
are financially secure are usually the ones to "come out".  When arguments
are built on faulty information like this, everything that comes after is
to be taken with a grain of salt....

Kevin Chambers
chamberk@ucs.orst.edu
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Cuba/Drug Trade
Date: 6 Jan 93 03:36:37 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

News just came out from the DEA regional office in Miami, that the files on
Cuba's leaders that were involved in the drug buisiness was reactivated.  Among
those being investigated is non other than Raul Castro.  It seems that 
Fidel has continued with his attempts to destroy out youth, while at the
same time he is making a profit from it.  I will try to follow up on these
events as soon as anything appears in the NYT (not the transfer Service).

Edelmiro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: kamine@is.rice.edu (Jorge Hershel Kamine)
Subject: Re: Human Rights in Cuba
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:09:08 GMT

In article <daum.726112301@ee.ualberta.ca> daum@ee.ualberta.ca (Tanya Louise Daum) writes:
>	But Castro is not a Stalinist -- I think in many ways his ideology
>cannot be compared to any of the European leaders.
In fact, I have heard people refer to his Castro's policies as
being 100% Castrista.  In other words, his political ideology is
is a personal interpretation of socialism just like Stalin and
Mao.  Don't we have individual terms to denote their
interpretations of socialism? Stalinism and Maoism.  I think a
great deal of time and energy can be saved by arguing less about
semantics.  Castro brand of socialism is unique in its amorphous
and highly self-serving nature.  After all, he has managed to act
the part of the die-hard Soviet ally, Latin American freedom
fighter, and national "hero" for over 30 years despite the
apparent conflicts of interest.  What is truly sad is the
circular nature of Cuban politics.  The people of Cuba seem to
always end up with a dictator who only differs from the last in
name and face.  Then again, this seems to be the unfortunate
history of the great majority of Latin America.  Perhaps, the day
will come when the loop can be broken at least in one country so
that it may serve as an example and a symbol that such a feat is
not impossible.  Regardless of the patience required, I don't
-- 
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*       Jorge Kamine Arreola      * "An eye for an eye leaves two men blind."  
*       email: kamine@is.rice.edu *  -Edward James Olmos   
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From: rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo)
Subject: Re: Human Rights in Cuba
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:25:56 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1993Jan4.160945.28803@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>In article <20687@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
>>Alberto Pinkas writes:
>

>
>Como se dice por ahi, A~o Nuevo, Vida Nueva, asi que dejo este debate en
>manos de aquel que lo quiera seguir, y no me voy a poner a debatir con
>alguien que cambia de tema cuando se le muestra que dijo una barbaridad.
>Quizas haya que esperar que Univision le explique a Salas que los Judios
>son un pueblo, y que el judaismo va mas alla de una religion, y que la
>pertenencia al pueblo judio no es necesariamente una pertenencia religiosa
>sino que cultural.
>Quizas haya que esperar a que Univision le explique a Salas que existen
>judios que son ateos, porque judaismo no es sinonimo de religion.
>Y, finalmente, habra que esperar que Univision le epxlique a Salas que
>la condicion de los Judios "durante" la Segunda Guerra Mundial no era
>la que el presento: vivian an casas. Y que la condicion durante un
>evento no es lo mismo que antes o despues.
>


 Bueno, se sabe que si se le pregunta a doce judios algo te dan 13 respuestas!
 Asi, que unos dicen que ser judio es relacionado con su religion, otros dicen
 que no. Lo que sea. Lo que creo es que decir que la mayoria de los judios
 son socialistas o marxistas es un poco como darle la razon a los anti-semitas
 de Hitler y los "pemiat"(?) rusos de ahora que acusan a los judios del desastre
 ocurrido en la antigua Union Sovietica en los ultimos 70 an~os!
 
 Yo creo que los judios son como todos los demas grupos etnicos, unos son
 socialistas, otros marxistas y otros, -como muchos judios cubanos que conozco
 son conservadores y anti-comunistas como yo! 

--
Ray I. Ravelo                "We're your opposition, Mr. Castro, we 10 million
Office of Academic Computing. Cubans who look around us in terror"
UC, Irvine.                 from the open letter to Castro by M.E. Cruz-Varela
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Los nin~os que hablan esperanto
Date: 11 Jan 93 08:20:56 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Sergio E. Adeff writes:

>Se afirmo en el curso de la discusion de este tema, que el esperanto nunca
>puede ser un idioma natural porque es un hibrido o mezcla de otros idiomas.
>Nunca se ha hecho el experimento, supongo, pero si una pareja que habla
>esperanto estuviera dispuesta a criar un hijo o hija hablando delante de
>el o ella solamente en esperanto al menos hasta cierta edad, para este
>ni~o o ni~a el esperanto seria el lenguage "natural" con la misma intensidad
>que los demas podemos definir nuestro idioma "natural".

Bueno, como tu bien afirmas gracias a Dios "nunca se ha hecho el 
experimento"ya que al oscurantista que lo invento (Ludwik Zamenhof) decidio que 
no tendria genero, y como todas las lenguas naturales tienen genero gramatical 
como mecanismo de redudancia estructural, creo que se le hara dificil a un 
nin~o aprenderse una lengua sin genero gramatical. Por ejemplo si a mi se traba 
la lengua cuando digo la 'o' de 'nin~o' y digo 'el nin~' bueno', la 'o' de 
bueno me asegura cual es el genero del sustantivo y no necesito tener dos 
raices para cada genero natural como lo hace el ingles.  Ademas, al amante de 
lo oculto se le ocurrio que su lengua careciera de articulo infinido (algo que 
tienen todas las lenguas), asi que cuando intente cuantificar 
extistencialmente, el pobre nin~o no podra decir el equivalente de " Hay un 
nin~o en el patio."  Sino que tendra que decir "Hay el nin~o en el patio" 
eliminando la cuantificacion indefinida y requiriendo que la frase sea 
definida.  Para colmo eliminaron la concordangia de numero y persona en la 
infleccion verba (otra medida de redundancia gramatical) y el pobre nin~o 
tendra que decir el equivalente de 'las nin~as correra''  por 'las nias 
correran' Asi que, como siempre, todo aquel que se mete a ingeniero del 
lenguage sin conocer las complejidades del mismo, termina fabricando algo que 
no se puede hablar eficientemente (no digamos la pronunciacion y el sistema 
ortografico que disque es "fonetico") y solo termina como una "lengua" trunca.  
Mejor seria si aprendemos el American Sign Language como lengua universal, asi 
por lo menos podemos hablar con los sordo-mudos.

Edelmiro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: Ashley@chaz.demon.co.uk (Charles Ashley)
Subject: Internet in Argentina?
Distribution: world
Organization: Learned Information (Europe) Ltd.
Reply-To: ashley@chaz.demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 09:51:56 +0000

Hola,

I'm wondering if anybody has had experience accessing the Internet from 
Argentina. I'm considering moving to Buenos Aires, and am anxious to keep a 
presence on the Internet.  Does anybody know from who (or where) I can find 
information - or point me in the right direction - on accessing the Internet 
there?

Me pregunto si alguien ha experimentado en el acceso del Internet desde 
Argentina.  Estoy pensando en mudarme a Buenos Aires, por ello estoy 
interesado en mantenerme en contacto con Internet.  Conocen ustedes all 
alguna persona o lugar de donde pueda obtener informacin en el acceso del 
Internet?


Replies are appreciated greatly.

Toda respuesta al respecto ser apreciada.


        Charles.

        ashley@chaz.demon.co.uk

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From: julio@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Julio Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Human rights in the USA.
Keywords: USA
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:22:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <21090@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
> 
>         ... I haven't read about Haitians going to
>         Mexico for instance neither to the Dominican Republic.
> 
> Well Julio if your right, then our policy towards keeping the Haitians out
> is entirely justified.  There simply economic refugees who should stay in
> Edelmiro

	Too quick to jump into conclusions. I was answering the question
	why do they choose the USA over Cuba, my answer is "the same reason
	they choose the USA over Mexico". The question of why do they leave
	Haiti I think is "because they are hopeless. After all the struggle
	to reach democracy, a bunch of gorillas takes control and the 
	international community does little."  

	Now my question. What are the requisites to be granted entry
	as an "economy refugee" ?
-- 
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Julio , U of Penn, Philadelphia 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: bredell@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell)
Subject: Re: Homophobia: US vs. CUBA
Reply-To: Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Organization: Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:10:04 GMT

Ray Ravelo (rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu) wrote:
: 
:  Last night on "Nighline" they talked about the Colorado boycott, etc.
:  Martina was one of the guess. One of the things she insisted on was on their
:  "right" to adopt children. Now, I don't think it's in the best interest of
:  a child to be raised by a homosexual couple ....

Why not? Studies show that children being raised by homosexual parents don't
suffer from anything that other children don't suffer from. And since most
sociological studies show that homosexuals are better parents, perhaps it
should be the other way around.

/Mats
-- 
Mats Bredell                                   Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)     Ph:  +46 18 187817
Department of medical systems                  Fax: +46 18 187825
Sweden                                         Think straight - be gay!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: sobre judaismo como cultura
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:58:33 GMT

Con respecto a la diferencia entre el judaismo como
cultura y el judaismo como religion, recomiendo a los
interesados que le peguen una mirada al debate que hubo
al respecto en soc.culture.jewish y en en alt.atheism una
par de semanas atras.
Tambien existen varias redes de sitribucion sobre el tema.
En particualar hay una sobre judaismo secular y donde se
debate e intercambian ideas sobre ateismo y judaismo.
Las direcciones electronicas de estas redes se publican periodicamente
en soc.culture.jewish.
Tambien, en estos ultimos dias, se creo una red de distribucion
para el debate sobre el judaismo en espa~ol y portugues.

AAP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: edg@ecs.comm.mot.com (Ed Gonzalez)
Subject: Solicito Inf.-Ecuador/Peru
Organization: trunking_terms
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:33:36 GMT

Saludos!

Solo les molesto para pedir informacion a aquellas
personas que conozcan o' esten en Ecuador o' Peru'. 

Necesito saber que' medida de antena parabolica 
se usa en Quito y en Lima.  Tambien necesito saber
que' satelites sintonizan (Americanos, Mexicanos,
BrasilSat,PanamSat, IntelSat,etc).  Gracias.


Eduardo.

Envien e-mail a: edg@comm.mot.com
From: rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo)
Subject: Re: Human Rights in Cuba
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:31:10 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <104081@netnews.upenn.edu> julio@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Julio Gonzalez) writes:
>In article <2B4A2B04.11258@news.service.uci.edu>, rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo) writes:
>
>>        I don't think so since guys like you gravitate freely around here.
>
>	Neither I am communist like your uncle neither I gravitate
>	freely. I do work that "americans" are not willing to do and
>	pay for everything. I don't get "welfare and free medical care".
>> 
>>    you don't believe there are thieves in your paradise, do you?
>>> Ray I. Ravelo
>
>
>	It's not my paradise, man. Remember I come from Chile and
>	I am not allowed to visit the Island. I am just sick of all
>	the hypocritical attacks on Cuba. They have problems and
>	their model of sicialism may be failing but try to be fair
>	to them. Hysteria won't get you far.

 Why do you think those opinions are "hypocritical" when you hear them from
 Cubans who should know better than you since you just said you hadn't been
 there yourself? Seems like you already made-up your mind about the goodness
 of Castro's government without even seeing it, eh?

 It's not hysteria as most of us have long ago resigned to live for the rest
 of our lives here in the US since this is where our sons and grandson/
 grand-daughters were born. Our motives are simply out of pity and solidarity
 with our fellow Cubans and our relatives that still suffer under the worst
 dictatorship Latin-America has ever seen, and we know it better than
 anybody else, just like some fellow Peruvians were saying about opinions
 regarding the situation in Peru today. Only Peruvians know better than
 anybody else the true sitiation in Peru.

 Danker,
--
Ray I. Ravelo                "We're your opposition, Mr. Castro, we 10 million
Office of Academic Computing. Cubans who look around us in terror"
UC, Irvine.                 from the open letter to Castro by M.E. Cruz-Varela
From: dgt@phy.duke.edu (Dinko Eduardo Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Guantanamo Bay
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:43:17 GMT
Organization: Duke University Physics Dept.; Durham, N.C.

Edelmiro writes:
  
>I'm sure the U.S. government will turn the base over to a free and democratic 
>Cuban government, in the same way the Panama Canal has been placed in 
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Panamanian hands, but to Castro's communist dictatoship, we won't even let him 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Quieres decir que el canal en estos momentos pertenece a Panama? Mas bien
algunas labores administrativas son delegadas a paname~nos.  La verdadera
autoridad en Panama emana de la Casa Blanca (USA). Para que es necesario
mantener una base militar en Panama?  Obviamente no hay contra quien 
defender el tan mentado canal.  La fuerza militar norteamericana estacionada
en Panama es simplemente un caso de ocupacion de un estado por otro, y 
como base de proyeccion militar al resto de America Latina.  Para que
pintar la realidad color de rosa?  Mas vale decir las cosas como son, asi
todo queda mucho mas claro. 

-- 
Dinko Gonzalez Trotter
dgt@phy.duke.edu