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From: mfey@cco.caltech.edu (Mark P. Fey)
Subject: Re: Loan agreement (longish)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 03:36:15 GMT

gpaa29@udcf.glasgow.ac.uk (F.Burton) writes:


>[Sorry about the delay in responding - our news and mail systems have
>been playing up recently. I'm posting this here because I reckon it
>may be of general interest, even if only as a source of ideas...] 

>To Angela and fellow netters,

>Here is the agreement I put together for the loan of my horse a
>couple of years ago. I'm no lawyer, so I cannot vouch for its
>watertightness. It was good enough for my purposes, and made it clear
>to the borrower the sort of standard I expected.

stuff deleted

>-----------------------------snip here---------------------------------------
>                  Loan agreement for LUCKY
>                  ------------------------

>(7.5) LUCKY had his last flu and tetanus vaccination on 3rd May 1990.
>      He will require a flu booster in May 1991. At the moment, LUCKY's vet
>      is Ross & Bickerton of Bishopbriggs, Glasgow. An alternative vet may
>      be arranged at the discretion of the BORROWER.

>(7.6) LUCKY should be wormed every 6-8 weeks with a reputable wormer (e.g.
>      Panacur, Eqvalan etc.).

>(7.7) LUCKY should within reason be protected against and treated for the
>      injurious effects of rain, wet ground and flies.

>(8.1) In the event of LUCKY becoming ill or injured a vet will be called in
>      and the OWNER will be notified as soon as possible.

I would make sure to put in the agreement that in case of dire emergency
or if the owner cannot be notified, that the borrower has the jurisdiction
to authorize medical treatment and/or euthanasia if necessary. I would hate
to think of the borrower getting in a sticky situation of not being able to
give the vet the go ahead on treatment. 


>--
>Francis Burton      Physiology, Glasgow University, Glasgow G12 8QQ, Scotland.
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kate
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From: sysmatt@aix3090b.uky.edu (James M. Simpson)
Subject: Re: Shipping info request
    <1992Apr14.122656.4644@unx.sas.com>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 07:32:58 GMT
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I personally don't have any experience with cross-country shipping. But living
in the heart of thouroughbred country, I tend to notice which shippers get a
lot of business. One of the most respected appears to be Sallee Horse Transport
 headquartered here In Lexington.  There was a big story about them in the 
local paper a couple of years ago. They've got some interesting attitudes. They
build all their own vans at their shop in Lexington, so they know they're done
right. They've got their own stables along their major routes, where they stop 
on long trips to give the horses some R&R. If I remember correctly, their       philosophy is to mike slightly longer runs between stops than other haulers,    and then to make much longer stops. Their attitude that too frequent loading
and unloading increases stress rather than reducing it. I also liked their
attitude about hiring drivers. They look for people with horse experience 
rather than driving experience. They claim they can train any horseman to
handle a semi, but it's much harder to train a trucker to handle horses.
If you want to talk to them their number is 800 354 9371
From: locke@4ccvsh.scg.hac.com (Anne Locke)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Question for the FAQ...
Keywords: FAQ
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:36:53 GMT
Reply-To: locke@caesi.scg.hac.com (Anne Locke)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA


Hi.

I have a question for the FAQ list being formed.  Could someone please
explain the different types of "shows" that people compete in (with their
horses of course!).  If possible, a brief explanation of judging, points,
etc. would be appreciated.  Is it similar to dog shows where there is
competition based on performance (e.g. obedience, lure coursing) as
well as strictly conformation to breed standards?

I'm interested in knowing about both English & Western types of shows.
I'm currently taking Western riding lessons and whenever someone mentions a
"show horse" I have no idea what this really means.

Thanks in advance.
Anne.
(hoping to replace a car payment with a horse payment next summer!)

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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: lori@lancelot.base.bellcore.com (Lori A. McGrail)
Subject: Introduction
Reply-To: lori@lancelot.base.bellcore.com (Lori A. McGrail)
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 14:18:23 GMT

Hi, I've been lurking for over a year now and wanted to let everyone
know how much I enjoy the newsgroup. I too am fortunate enough to own
my own horse (or should I say he owns me :>)  He's a wonderful older gelding
who knows it all and has done it all. His name is Sir Lancelot and he is
a flea-bitten grey. On the thread of beginner riders, I will wholeheartedly
agree that an older "school" horse is a good horse for a beginner rider.
When I was looking for a horse last year, my trainer wanted an older 
gelding for me and we were fortunate enough to find Sir Lance.  He's
definitely going to teach me alot. Every time I get something down (say
my leg a little stronger), he'll start to "pick" on something else - maybe
my hands need to be softer. 

We do mainly hunter/equitation (hoping to move up to the 2'6" classes soon),
and go out on the trails or down the road for a hack as much as possible.
I board him at a stable in North/Central New Jersey which is only a few miles from USET. I have a great trainer who takes excellent care
of "her" horses and people.

As a side, for the person who asked about the arithritic hocks, Lance is
slightly arithritic behind and tends to come out stiff. We just started him
on Adequan shots once a month and the results have been great. He no longer
comes out stiff and is alot more fluid behind. So ask your vet about it.


Lori McGrail and Sir Lancelot
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Help
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 6 Apr 92 06:27:00 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <5APR92130630@acad3.alaska.edu>, fskjp@acad3.alaska.edu (PRICHARD KIMBERLY J) writes:
> hi.. I was wondering if any one elseious  owners
> to get their horses registration papers.
> I just bought a (in Sept) a reg QH and
> no one has changed the papers so
> the last owner on the paper is one from 6 years ago
> and no one has seen this girl since she sold the horse
> 
> I was hoping that some one might give me some new ideas about
> how to find her.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> Kim & Alex

Have you tried to contact any family the girl might have in the area?  
Sometimes phone books are a help, especially if it is a fairly uncommon
name.  Also, if you know where she went to school, alumni organizations
are good at keeping track of grads.  You might also contact the registry
and explain the problem, they might have some ideas for you as to how
to transfer papers without her signature.  You will probably need affidavits
from all owners in between, also statements from vets who treated the
horse, especially from one who treated it when the girl owned it.  

Good luck!  I had a somewhat simular problem, a woman left two Arab mares
with me, I was to keep the younger one a year, in return I got the papers
on the older mare.  When the year was up, the woman had left the area.
It took me over another year to track her down, fortunately she had an
unusual last name and I knew the area of the state where she had lived.
I finally was able to find her mother, who gave me her out of state work
address.  I tried to get the papers through letters a lawyer sent, but
what REALLY worked was calling her boss and explaining the problem.  He
put pressure on her to send me the papers.

Actually what you need is a transfer of ownership form signed.

In my case I didn't even have the papers!

Sue
From: kyle@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Kyle Karnosh)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:54:12 GMT
Subject: Re: 'horse motels'
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

>planning on taking a mare from NY to the far end of Florida early next
>spring (1993) to breed her to 'Rugged Lark' (anyone familiar with QHs,
>this horse is *awesome*).

Well, I'm not at all familiar with QH's , but even I've heard of
Rugged Lark. Pretty exciting. I guess QH Registry doesn't allow 
Shipped semen, huh?  Too bad, it would make your life a little easier.
Good Luck with your trip plans.


Kyle Karnosh
Con Brio Farms
Quality Warmblood Sporthorses
Gilroy, CA
From: axc@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (alex.cornella)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horse Transport Companies
Keywords: suggestions
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:57:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T


Within the space of 2 years I moved from New Jersey
to Indiana and back to Jersey again.  On the way out
I shipped my mare via Brookledge Horse Transport.  They have 
offices in Pennsylvania and Kentucky.  They did a good
job but were high priced as I later learned.  They used
a customized horse van akin to a "straight job."  You
can reach them on 1-800-523-8143.

On the way back to Jersey we used McDonald's Horse Transport.
They are out of Texas.  Ms. McDonald is a real pleasure to
talk to on the phone.  They also did a good job and had
the mare and colt in Jersey within 24 hours.  Drove
straight through, I imagine.  McD.'s used an 8-horse 
goose neck trailer pulled by heavy-duty pick up.  McD. 
charged less than anyone else I got bids from.  I beleive 
they charged $495 for two horses.  McD.'s number is 
1-800-225-8914.

You can find other haulers in horse magazines like the
AQHA Journal.  Like I said, I got bids from about 8
companies and McD.'s was the most competitive.

If you are going to shipped horses cross-country,
there are a couple of things to keep in mind.  First,
you need to have a current Coggins and health certificate
for most states (altho in my experience no one ever
stopped the hauler to ask for the paper).  Second, you
need to get your own livestock insurance, because
the hauler does not cover your horses should anything
happen during the trip.  Third, some haulers will 
bill you, but others like McD, insist on a money
order or cash up front.  Finally, if you live off
the beaten path -- ie, away from a major track --
you may have to wait a week or two or longer before
a hauler can make the pick up.  The dispatcher
tries to get a full load from the area before
sending the truck and often this takes a little
time.  This can be nerve-wracking, especially
if you are trying to coordinate a move involving
your family and possessions as well.

Vaya con dios! :-)

Alex Cornella
Black Rooster Farm
Registered Quarter Horses &
Racing Pigeons
From: j_seymo@oz.plymouth.edu (Joyleen Seymour)
Subject: Re: Nicknames for Co Kay Sem
Summary: color 
Reply-To: j_seymo@oz.plymouth.edu (Joyleen Seymour)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 17:43:50 GMT

   Hi!  
   How nice to have a new horse!  This will sound really corny, but I
always liked to name horses after their color.  (I know, it's not very
original, but it works)  I have had a flaxen maned mare named Blondie, a
bay horse named Brownie, a chestnut named Red, a pinto named Pinto, and
I often call my black mare (Dee) Blackie.  Now, I will admit, I did not
name all of these horses, but I like the color names.  You never get
them mixed up.  (Unless of course, you have a barnful of chestnuts all
named Red :-)

   Good luck with your newbie

   joy and John, and Dovekey and Roadrunner (who are about to move to
Bayberry Farm, an event barn in Ashland NH, where Nancy Guyotte and Jan
Conlon both teach!)
From: ja23+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jean Andrews)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Horse Magazine
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:35:12 GMT
Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I was wondering if anyone had the information needed to order
Horse Illustrated.  I just started leasing my daughter a horse and
I thought there might be some useful information in there for her.
Thanks.

Jean Andrews
From: segordon@amherst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Where horse shows are advertised
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:13:09 GMT
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA.



	Joining the New England's Horseman's Council costs about the same
as a subscription the the Pedlar and includes the subscription.  You'll
also recieve the prize lists from most shows in the area in the discipline(s)
you tell them you're interested in.

						Susan
						segordon@amherst.edu
From: BL.BBB%RLG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Barbara Barone)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Taking off bandages
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:39:10 GMT
Organization: BBN news/mail gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.bbn.com

Linda,

I have a mare recovering from a bowed tendon who seems to have a
lot in common with your Apache.  She also is gifted at getting out
of things.  When we were trying to keep her leg wrapped, we
finally resorted to duct tape over the bandages, and that seemed to
work the best.  I guess a lot of folks are successful with
like cayenne, or some other nasty substance, but I haven't found
anything yet that Billie won't lick off - or ignore.

Barb

To:  EQUESTRIANS@ECLECTIC.COM
From: DOREEN@hcacad.holycross.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: intro,names and Rolex
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:36:41 GMT
Organization: BBN news/mail gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.bbn.com


     Hi!
          I've only been reading this digest for a few months now (!),
     so I decided that it was about time to introduce myself.  My name
     is Doreen and I work at Holy Cross College in Worcester, Mass.  I'm
     only a 'wanna be' horse owner at this point in time and I ride at a
     dressage barn twice a week.

          Roberta, I certainly envy you your new horse.  I only wish that
     I could 'happen upon' a find like that!!!  How about Katie? I also
     liked the name Cody.  Well, wishing you the best. 

          Are any of you other subsribers going to the Rolex 3-day event
     in Lexington?  Becky Chickering (another HC'er) and I (and another
     friend) are going and we can hardly wait!!  I know that some others
     from the Equine List are going and it will be nice to hopefully
     put some names and faces together.

          Well anyways..... keep all of the equine info coming.....
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: marsh@cs.cornell.edu (Dorothy Marsh)
Subject: Re: need suggestions on saddles
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 12:55:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.065823.992@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.125701.6554@aber.ac.uk>, ckw0@aber.ac.uk (Carl Keri Williams) writes:

>> I have never tried a Wintec, but I did once have a Thorogood synthetic saddle.
>> It cost me #150 (not sure what that is in dollars) and it lasted me exactly 
>> six WEEKS before one of the stirrup bars came away as I was galloping next
>> to a lake.  I was not impressed, as it was 10 miles from civilisation and 
>> I very nearly tipped off into the lake.
>> 
>> The problem was that they had economised on the number of rivets used to hold
>> the stirrup bars in place (these were advertised as 'Internationally accepted
>> spring loaded stirrup bars' or somesuch and I assumed they were of a decent 
>> quality.  This tree could easily have been used in either leather or synthetic
>> saddles, but perhaps manufacturers of leather saddles might be fussier about
>> safety standards.  
>
>> 
>
>I was very glad to see this post since I was just looking only *yesterday*
>at a Thorogood saddle.  I was offered a new one with the adjustable tree
>for $400.  Don't know if this is a good price, didn't know how comfortable
>the saddle is, so this info has been very helpful.
>

Sue, is it really an *adjustable* tree, or a *spring* tree that comes in
3 widths?  I didn't know Thorogood made an adjustable-tree saddle.
I bought a Thorogood from a mail order catalog about a year and a half ago.
They told me that it had a spring tree that would adjust somewhat to the width
of the horse.  I was skeptical, but ordered it anyway because they
said that I could return it if I didn't like it.

It arrived and the wide width was too narrow for Penny, and I couldn't
see any "springing" action of the tree.  I even put it on a hardwood
floor and put most of my weight on the pommel and didn't see it flex
at all.  The horse's back is softer than the floor, so if the tree
wouldn't flex on the floor, it would never flex on the horse's soft
back.  It would just sink into the back and dig.

I found that the Ainsley saddles were wider than most (it fit Penny
the best of any of them, but it was more money than I wanted to spend,
since I use my Ortho-Flex most of the time).  I think
Crosbys tend to run wider than normal too.  You might want to
check them out.

       Dorothy
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: kcumming@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (Kitty Cummings)
Subject: 'horse motels'
Originator: kcumming@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Binghamton
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:02:56 GMT

'm also interested in where to get info and publications listing
'overnight' stabling for horses when traveling.  We are tentatively
planning on taking a mare from NY to the far end of Florida early next
spring (1993) to breed her to 'Rugged Lark' (anyone familiar with QHs,
this horse is *awesome*).

Especially on the return trip, we want to make it as less stressful as
possible, since she'll only be (presumably) a few weeks in foal and I
don't want her to reabsorb from stress of the trip home.

Since I like to plan ahead, we are already starting to gather info. for
the trek, which will involve two separate trips to florida, probably 8
wks apart.  

If anyone has info on 'overnight' stabling, as well as some personal
recommendations, though this trip is a ways off, I'd appreciate any
info.

thanks,

Kitty Cummings
Kit-Mar Appaloosas
Ritter Hof German Shepherds
From: 20676JAE@MSU
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Deet products
Date: 11 Apr 92 15:03:54 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>And some New York biting flies would only respect
>DEET-based products ( i.e. human insect repellent ).

I don't like to use DEET on my horse any more than I like to on myself.
However, it works great if you dab a little on the hair in the ears to keep
those awful, evil little black flies out of your horse's ears.  I use other
fly repellent on the rest of her, but I keep a little bottle of Musk-ol in my
tack box just to use on her ears (and my ankles) in the summer time.
                                         Jenn
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Stable names.... and breeding mares
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 7 Apr 92 06:29:17 EST
Organization: Wright State University 


	As for stable names, my mare's registered name is Rose of Quality.
I usually call her Baby or Quality..... or you stupid bitch.  Just depends
on her mood.  
	I talked to the stable Sunday and she is FINALLY in heat.  She was
due to come in a week earlier but the trip down to North Carolina threw 
her off.  They were supposed to culture her yesterday morning first thing
and if everything works out well with the lab, they should have results
back by tomorrow.  I am quite anxious to breed her on this heat, otherwise
she won't be back home until June!  
	I'd kept telling the stud farm manager that she was ver blatant
when she is in heat, they had been telling me what a shy quiet horse she
is.  HAH!  She must have been intimidated by the strange surroundings,
a more cocky mare *I've* never had!
	When I talked to them after she came in heat, they agreed with me!

Sue
From: dionysia@netlink.cts.com (Dionysia Marqueza)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: New horse, and new twist on the Name Game
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:31:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: netlink.XF8TiB1w164w
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (R.L.Taylor KB2OOA) writes:

> Okay, we've had lots of creative suggestions for names;  anybody
> good at taking a weird registered name,and coming up with a barn
> name?  In this case, we're talking about a TB mare named Co Kay Sem.
> She's a big bay with only a tiny bit of white on her face.  And I
> haven't a clue what to call her...
> 
        If, as you say, this mare is as good as gold, why don't you call her 
Carat... CK is the old standard abbreviation for carat, prior to 
international standard measure...Case (from Kay_S**,) also comes to mind, as 
does Carillion... (our barn names don't always have anything to do with 
registered names... otherwise Saracen would never have been called 
champignon(mushroom)). 
        Insofar as TB pedigree goes, email it to me and I'll take a whack at 
it... although not a TB breeder per se, I have used and crossbred them for 
several years, so know a bit about the breeding. 
        Congratulations on your mare- some of the *best* horses have come to 
me this way!

        Dionysia & Corey (WLV Fiero Corona)
        Triskelion Farm

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From: sasjmg@dickens.unx.sas.com (Jodie Gilmore)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Shipping info request
Summary: a company to avoid
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:26:56 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
X-Bytes: 396

Well, I would stay away from the All-State company that is located
in CO--they shipped my horse, and not only was she EXTREMELY dehydrated
(went from WA to NC), but they also STOLE my new lead rope. Of course
my experience MAY  have been unusual, but this is just my 2 cents'
worth.




-- 
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sasjmg@unx.sas.com

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From: lmgarret@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Linda M Garrett)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Naming your (new) horse!!!
Date: 17 Apr 92 09:47:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: bronze.1992Apr17.144748.16605
Distribution: usa
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Apr16.164731.13526@sequent.com> meganb@sequent.com (Megan Breninger) writes:
>Subject: A name for Tinker!!!

I thought of two possibilities:
Tinker's Silver Bell    or
Tinker's Silver Shoe
>
>
>I tried to e-mail you directly, but the mail bounced.  Mail

I also tried to e-mail you and it also bounced.
Linda Garrett

 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian