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From: leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Gun-Control and Nudity
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:02:17 GMT
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication

>
On question I have been researching for my own curiosity IS concealed
weapons carry for nudists.  As one of the textile-afflicted, myself, I just
don't know enough about the lifestyle and activity to give a qualified
answer.

It may seem like a foolish question to you, but what do ya'll do with
wallets, car keys, smoking paraphanalia, and the like?  No pockets.

(Please keep in mind that I am completely ignorant.) <

I usually carry and/or wear a butt pack for my keys, wallet and stuff. I
also have an over the shoulder bag of some South American Indian design
that I use on occasion. When nude hiking I use either the butt pack or a
back pack depending on the lenght of the hike. I bought a watertight
plastic holder that can be worn around the neck from the Naturist Store,
but don't use it very much as my key don't fit in i very well. Some folks
have wrist band wallets that seem handy.

To tell the truth at the resorts I don't worry much about getting ripped
off so leave my wallet at the room, car, tent or whatever and just be
completly nude.

Lee Dronick, San Diego CA
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From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Discrimination against single males
Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:01:24 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu


In article <1296@ki.com> dwatts@ki.com (Dan Watts) writes:
>This would be Cedar Waters in Notingham, NH.  Note that last I checked,
>they have a restriction on only couples and children under 18, and
>single females allowed.  No single males are allowed.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This would be the kind of discrimination I would object to, possibly
with a lawsuit and even against a small family run nudist resort.  If
they didn't allow ANY singles in I wouldn't like it but I might accept
it.  Allowing single females and not allowing single males really
doesn't make sense. 

Furthermore it brings up the question of "family".  Would a single father
and his children NOT be considered a family whereas a single mother and
her children are a family? 

Anyway, this is one of those topics that I get angrier about as I think
about it.

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middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu                      P.O. Box 81589
aka Happy Bare                                  San Diego, CA 92138-1589
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From: gerald.belton@ozonehole.com (Gerald Belton) 
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Nudist TV
Date: 22 Jan 93 11:06:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Ozone Hole - SKYDIVE New Orleans! - (504)891-3142 16,800 bps
Reply-To: gerald.belton@ozonehole.com (Gerald Belton) 

>        Okay, So a new thread:

>        NNN   Nude Naturist Network
>        BAN   Bare A$$ Network
>        TNA   (if you need to ask never mind.... ;-}
>        NTN   Nude Television Network

>    Please substitute nude or Naturist as your political preference dictates

Actually, being the politically-incorrect sort of guy that I am, I
prefer "nekkid."

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From: gellmore@pearl.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: New Hampshire Nude resort
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:06:05 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

Driving along a secondary road in New Hampshire, from route 16 west to get to
Interstate 93, I came across a nudist resort in the Southern half of NH. My
map isn't here, but I presume the resort remains. I saw it last Spring.
From: ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org (Lance Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Nudist TV
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:14:40 GMT
Organization: NC Microproducts, Inc.

tel@cbnews.cb.att.com (thomas.e.lester) writes:
}
}	Okay, So a new thread:
}
}	NNN   Nude Naturist Network
}	BAN   Bare A$$ Network
}	TNA   (if you need to ask never mind.... ;-}
}	NTN   Nude Television Network
}
}    Please substitute nude or Naturist as your political preference dictates.
}
}	So, lets hear all those creative acronyms.........

        SCTV  Sky-Clad TeleVision

          No, wait, that's been used..:-)

        How about SCN, the Sky-Clad Network!



Lance 

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Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Highgate ponds, London
From: Dan Fairbanks <WJGRACIE@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Sunday, 24 Jan 1993 08:56:31 EST
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

I am aware that the Highgate pond in london have been C O in the
past. I'm planing a trip to london this year, and was wondering
if this is still the case?
Also, if there are any other C O spots that I should know about
in london, or in the rest of Great Britian, please feel free to
e-mail the info to me. Thanks.
Dan Fairbanks
wjgracie at Miamiu
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: richg@hatch.socal.com (Rich Greenberg)
Subject: Re: Field trip and rec.nude BOF at Usenix
Organization: Hatch Usenet and E-mail.  Playa del Rey, CA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:30:20 GMT

In article <al57479@pro-amber.cts.com> rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki) writes:
>Good question! What is a BOF?

BOF = Birds Of a Feather
These are informal sessions, usually in the evening on a topic
of interest to relatively few of the attendees or that was
scheduled too late to make a time slot for a normal session.

Comes from the old cliche "Birds of a feather flock together".
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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: myers@sequent.com (Steve Myers)
Subject: (OREGON) SAUVIE ISLAND STATUS, WE'RE GETTING ORGANIZED!
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 17:13:02 GMT


Well, some of us were concerned that we'd have a hard time organizing in 
the dead of winter.  Based on what we've accomplished over the phone in
the last couple of days, we're starting to feel cautiously optomistic. 
We don't know what our opposition is doing, but here's what we've done so far.

  o  A group of about 100 of us are getting together this Saturday (at our
     local "swims") to kick-off a letter writing campaign and organizational 
     meetings. 

  o  The politically active among us are gathering info from their contacts
     in government.
     
  o  The local alternative radio and newspapers have been contacted (KBOO & 
     Willamette Week) and are interested in reporting on the situation. 
     
  o  Local and national nudist organizations have been, or will be contacted 
     for advice, representation and support.  

     Local groups include:   The Willamettans, The Sun Rovers, Hidden Springs
			     Restful Haven, and Squaw Mountain Ranch.

     National groups:        The ASA (by way of NSA trustee, Wayne Roberts).
                             The Naturist Society (by way of email, and 
			     hopefully these postings).

  o  We've contacted the Oregon Fish and Wildlife Dept to let them know that
     we expect to be involved in any decisions that may impact nude use of
     Sauvie's beaches.  They told us that they are legally obligated to involve 
     anyone who requests involvement and to keep them updated as to the 
     situation.  Several of us contacted the OFW and more or less got the same 
     story from a variety of contacts there.

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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Subject: Re: Nudist beach
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:02:08 GMT

In article <PFINGSTA.93Jan21112241@inmsol.inm.uni-sb.de> pfingsta@inm.uni-sb.de (Ulrich Pfingstag) writes:
>Hi, 
>does anybody know how I can avoid it, to get an erection on a 
>nudist beach. This is a real problem.

Place a sock over it so no one can see.
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Rec.Nude RULES ("They're Rules, NOT Guidelines" [tm])
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:05:33 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <19986@mindlink.bc.ca>, Rob_Prior@mindlink.bc.ca (Rob Prior) writes:

> Propaganda (note correct spelling)?  What propaganda?  That drug dealers are
> lower forms of life?  That isn't propaganda... That's fact.  You sound to me
> like a drug dealer trying to rationalize his line of work.

Guys & Gals:  Please remember that there is an "alt.drugs" for discussions
about drugs.  There is an "alt.flame" for discussions about proper spelling.

        And YOU MUST BE NUDE to read or post in this newsgroup.

Thank you for not smoking.

Terry
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: ARCHER@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: How to carry your stuff...
Organization: University of Tennessee 
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:22:11 GMT

In article <01GTTGFWTQEQ0054LY@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu> FORTMAPL@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu writes:
>>It may seem like a foolish question to you, but what do ya'll do with 
>>wallets, car keys, smoking paraphanalia, and the like?  No pockets.  
>
>Depending on where and how long I will be au natural, and since I have 
>to eat every four hours, I use a day-pack.  I plan to get the Naturist
>Society Fanny Pack for the times that I don't need the day-pack.  

Is there a difference between the TNS fannypack and any other I might name?  
I would think that the web belt of a typical pack would be uncomfortable.

I 
>also have a thing from TNS that goes around your wrist or ankle (I put 
>it around my ankle) that is large enough to hold a key or two and maybe 
>a few coins. 

Hmmm...  Secure everything in the car and strap the key to your ankle.  
Makes sense.

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From: dwatts@ki.com (Dan Watts)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: NENA swim Saturday
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:13:33 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: ki Research, Inc

In article <C19Hn2.20r@merk.com> mike@merk.com (Mike Sullivan) writes:
|My post did not make clear that the swim on saturday is sponsored by NENA.
|Singles, couples, married folk and children are welcome.  For more info on
|the swim call NENA at 800-722-NENA.

If from where you're calling you can't use the 800 number [RI I think],
the direct number is 401/789-7850.  Of course, it's now past Saturday
but there will be another swim next month on 20-Feb.

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From: ae766@yfn.ysu.edu (David Sanders)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Gun-Control and Nudity
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:23:34 GMT
Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net


Greetings all!

T. Archer writes about the SCA, and the problems there.  I, too, am
a member of that group and can vouch for what he says in that regard.

AFter awhile, it seems, the dreams bump into reality.  This is 
probably true also for naturism/nudism/n******.  I have been around
the SCA for about 16.5 years.  Archer is right.

DAVID E. SANDERS  (=Vajk in the SCA)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: Scott_Leaf@mindlink.bc.ca (Scott Leaf)
Subject: Re: drug dealers
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:16:50 GMT

williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.CO writes:
 I look at drug dealers as freedom fighters.  They are risking
their lives and property for allowing people the freedom to *choose*
what they want to do with their minds and bodies -- despite government
desire to control our bodies and minds.

        Everytime I hear of a drug dealer sent to jail, I feel a sense
that someone on the side of freedom has been captured and is now
a POW.  The war on drugs is a war on the american people, and those
jailed are prisoners of war.

I say:  Yeah I really support Crack dealers and the right to sell to children
in elementary schools, the right to fuck up your head so bad on acid you
become schizophrenic and thus a ward of society (except in the states because
there is no socialized medicine and you just become lost).

These "Freedomfighters" are trully fighting for a better society!
God bless em everyone!

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From: yaffe@icd.teradyne.com (Arthur G. Yaffe)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Gun-Control and Nudity
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:38:16 GMT
Reply-To: yaffe@icd.teradyne.com
Organization: . . . Next week, we've got to get organized.

In article 727641289@utkvm1.utk.edu, ARCHER@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
>It may seem like a foolish question to you, but what do ya'll do with 
>wallets, car keys, smoking paraphanalia, and the like?  No pockets.  
>
>(Please keep in mind that I am completely ignorant.)

We won't hold that against you.  A lot of people know nothing about naturism
but still castigate us for - for - for --- for whatever it is we do!!!  (big smiley)

One of the things that seems to happen in places where most everybody is naked
is that if you put something down it will stay where you put it.  That goes for
cigarettes, towels, umbrellas, lunch, clothing (we had to get TO the beach, 
you know!), etc.  I wouldn't be comfortable leaving my solid gold Rolex on
my towel, but my $39.95 Casio is likely safe.  My wife misplaced a pair of gold
earrings at a nude resort in Florida.  We reported the loss to the manager.  The
earrings showed up in the mail about a week later - postpaid.  They weren't
"lifted", they were "losted".

Most of us don't carry weapons.  We don't particularly feel threatened by other
naked people (who are also, quite clearly, not carrying weapons), so we (those of us 
who own weapons) leave the weapons home, in the car, or elsewhere where they will be
safe.  We do carry wallets, driver's licenses, etc., and that stuff goes in the bag
we carry onto the beach, plunk down on one corner of the beach blanket, and carry
back off the beach when we leave.  We don't worry about anyone pocketing our "stuff",
because most people, as you have noted, don't carry pockets. (smaller smiley).

Read the FAQ for more insight into our lifestyle.  And give it a try, if you 
dare . . . to be bare.  

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You didn't give a clue as to whether you are M or F!  Take note of the thread
on single males at nude resorts.  Some resorts are open, others are not.  Call
first, or find a "public" space like a C. O. beach or river site.  Where are you?
There is likely a friendly spot somewhere nearby, wherever you are.

********************************
Arthur G. Yaffe
Internet: yaffe@icd.teradyne.com
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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: mack@jasmin.zko.dec.com (Ralph A. Mack)
Subject: Re: New Hampshire Nude resort
Reply-To: mack@jasmin.zko.dec.com (Ralph A. Mack)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua, NH USA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:56:32 GMT


If it had a big picture of the sun on it, it was probably 
Cedar Waters Village (or CWV for those of us who know and love it).

They have 
- a nice pond with reasonable room to sail, canoe, fish, etc. and room to
  sun on the grass.
- a horseshoe pit (active on the weekends), a shuffleboard court (less active), 
  a basketball court (which I've never seen in use), and a swingset for the 
  little ones.
- cabins to rent, camping space, trailer hook-ups by the night, the week, etc.
- a small chapel (yes, there are Sunday morning services, sort of)
- a sauna
- a small paperback library
- they serve breakfast some days and have a snack bar by the beach open weekends
- a clubhouse they use for potluck suppers, evening concerts, etc.
- a variety of activities throughout the summer
- I probably missed one or two things

Restrictions
- the usual - no alcohol, no cameras, etc.
- more conservatively: no unpaired adults (with rare exceptions). I think
  they've relaxed their restriction about unmarried couples during the day only.

My family and I go there and enjoy it very much. It is especially good for 
families who like the water and older couples.  The Bonsers (Ed, Terry, Mary 
and the kids) are warm and wonderful people. They have been in business for many years and seen other places come and go and have 
come to the conclusion that, in New England at least, a measure of conservatism 
is a survival skill. Ed (Terry's father) has pretty conservative political
views anyway.

Next time you're driving by (at least between May and October :-)), it's worth
the $18 per family for the day to check it out.

							Ralph
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: wday@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Re: How much $$ for Models?
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:03:34 GMT

 slack@boi.hp.com (David Slack) writes:
> 
> 	I been wanting to photograph some nudes in black and white.  I never
> 	done this before and would like to know how much I should expect to
> 	pay models.  I am interested in both male and female models.  My 
> 	thoughts were somewhere around $25-$50 Hr.  The sessions would be only
> 	for about a hour as it dosen't take long to shoot up film if the shoot
> 	is well planned in advance, as I hope to be.  A release will be needed
> 	for possible sell of the photos.  
> 

Around here, in Dallas-Fort Worth, art class models are getting anywhere
from $4.50 (minimum wage) to $6 an hour for posing for college classes,
and maybe $10 an hour for posing for groups (non-school sponsored)... 

For photography, the normal rate seems to be about $10/hour for
non-commercial work, though I do get a release from my models when I am
paying that rate - the release does restrict the image to display and/or
sale by me, and not as commercial work for someone else.

I've only done one shoot knowing it was going to be used by someone else,
and that time the model (a young lady that had worked with me several
times before at the $10/hr rate) was paid $100/hr with a 2-hour guarentee
(she actually was in front of the camera for about 20 minutes!).

Wayne
  (always  looking for other models in the DFW area, in case anyone
   is interested)

   WDay@unt.edu
From: blink@carson.u.washington.edu (Folded Pliers)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: How much $$ for Models?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 22:13:57 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

In article <1993Jan27.132552.7322@bnr.ca> glenm@bnr.ca (Glen Martin) writes:
>In article <C1HJsB.EtK@boi.hp.com>, slack@boi.hp.com (David Slack) writes:
>|> 
>|> 	I been wanting to photograph some nudes in black and white.  I never
>|> 	done this before and would like to know how much I should expect to
>|> 	pay models.  I am interested in both male and female models.  My 
>|> 	thoughts were somewhere around $25-$50 Hr.  The sessions would be only
>|> 	for about a hour as it dosen't take long to shoot up film if the shoot
>|> 	is well planned in advance, as I hope to be.  A release will be needed
>|> 	for possible sell of the photos.  
>
>It depends on the model. If you go to pro agencies, these numbers might
>be correct. However, there are usually amateur models to be found, that
>will cost perhaps $10-$15 per hour (depending on your currency and
>location). If you're just starting out, you may wish to try this route.
>Of course, they're harder to find ... try art schools and camera clubs -
>they often have lists of willing models. Don't ask for the models' phone
>number though - ask them to contact the model and have the model call you.

Or you can go even cheer and do what I have done. Just photograph your
friends. Give them some dinner or something in exchange so they will
work for a whole hour and risk social strangeness and bright hot studio lights.
From: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: How to carry your stuff...
Date: 23 Jan 1993 18:14:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, ARCHER@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer) says:
>Is there a difference between the TNS fannypack and any other I might name?  
>I would think that the web belt of a typical pack would be uncomfortable.

The only difference (that I know of) is the fannypack from TNS has the 
TNS 'N' and 'Nude and Natural" (unless the design has changed) on it, 
and I think some of the profit supports the Naturist Society and the 
Naturist Action Committee.  Other than that it's probably just an 
ordinary fannypack.  Since I do not yet have a fannypack of any kind
I can't comment on the web belt.

*Pooh Bare
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