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From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Native American Indian novels
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:24:40 CDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Oct6.173240.21546@athena.cs.uga.edu>, fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller) writes:
> gt0009b@prism.gatech.EDU (rahim) writes:
> 
>>Could someone recommed some Native American Indian novels, in 
>>which native spirituality is encountered.
> 
>      My wife (who has a master's in archaeology) has raved for years about
> _Windwalker_.

I strongly recommend also the movie.  It is set in precolumbian times;
only Amerind languages are used (subtitles I believe); and it's a very
strange, compelling film.
-- 
-Ken <miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> {Sometimes you have to look reality straight
 OPINIONS ARE MY OWN            {in the eye, and deny it. - G. Keillor
From: ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu (Eric J. Olson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Once I put this book down, I could not pick it up again.
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:41:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: raven.1992Oct7.174258.3636
	<BvrCGL.12B@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Organization: Citizens for Boysenberry Jam Fans

In article <BvrCGL.12B@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tdlg9831@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tracey Dianne Layng) writes:

>I have two books I could not pick up again. One is _Wuthering Heights_ (I
>really detest that book.  The other was _The Dwarf_ by Par Lagerkvist.

I couldn't get through _Wuthering Heights_ either, but the one that
really killed me was Kuhn's "landmark" book in science, _On the Nature
of Scientific Revolutions_ or some such.  I was supposed to read it
for a class; I couldn't even get through the first chapter without
skipping paragraphs randomly.  He just drones on and on, repeating
himself for page after page without making much of a point.

Eric Olson <ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu>
From: Christopher.Carne@brunel.ac.uk (Christopher J Carne)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Nietzsche's Heir
Date: 9 Oct 92 12:47:23 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK

In article <1992Oct7.215317.16735@cheshire.oxy.edu> rooney@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael Sean Rooney) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.003154.4890@athena.mit.edu> kamorgan@athena.mit.edu (Keith Morgan) writes:
>>	francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
>>
>>	Who is the rightful heir to Nietzsche?
>>
>>I don't think that Nietzsche had any heirs, that he died without
>>issue. While we may all be, in a sense, Nietzsche's children, I can't
>>think of anyone that has brought together his particular philosophic
>>sensibilities, cultural perceptions, and stylistic madness. If there
>>are any unsung heirs I doubt that they are laboring in philosophy
>>departments. Perhaps some mad poet in the mountains, a la Zarathustra,
>>could give a new twist to Nietzche's voice. I doubt it however. 
>>  
>	I hereby nominate Mary Daly.  The affinities are sometimes
>so strikingly different that the ineffable affirmation which rings
>them into opposite sides of the same orbit sings, silently.
>
>Cordially,
>
>Michael S. Rooney
>
>"As for the comment at the end regarding the creation of the world,
> this is quite irrelevant."

I'd go along with Daly, but I'd also like to nonminate Giles Deleuze and
Felix Guattari's meisterwerk 'Capitalism and Schizophrenia'. This work
(2 vols 'Anti-Oedipus' and 'A Thousand Plateaus' has great insight, 
much madness (both stylistic and theoretical), a good deal of wit, 
and much that is totally unfathomable.  For me they are the most fun and
most bizarre of all the post-structuralist crowd, they really push
philosophy to its limits. Stylistically and conceptually they push
quite a way beyond Daly, but they lack the kind of focus that her
radical feminism gives to her work. THough D&G are better at showing
the ways beyond modernism, but not into the empty post-modernism of
Baudrillard but into an a-modernist (thnks to Bruno Latour for the term)
a-Kantian form of political engagement.


Cordially,

CHR$
From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The unpronounceable Paglio
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:32:49 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Oct6.144754.1399@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
=>Is there any agreement on the "proper" pronunciation of Miss Paglio's
=>name? I suspect there are many who only see the name without any sound
=>atteched -- and perhaps that is how it should be. I know how the Brits
=>will say it. For them it must be
=>
=>		PAG-lee-oh
=>
=>In much the same, forceful way they pronouncd "macho" as
=>
=>		MACK-ko
=>
=>shark-like.

Francis, I think you must have been too long away from these shores,
exiled to strands afar remote, if sunny. I have *never* heard *anyone*
use this pronunciation.

cordially (as someone says),


-- 
===Jeremy Henderson===jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk=          Vommen
                                             Bladmagen
                                   Loepmagen
                        Naetmagen
From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Good books on the Rationalists?
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:08:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: cfdev1.9210152008.AA29959


turkel@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Turkel) writes:
 
> Does anybody have any recommendations for books about The Rationalists?
> I am particularly interested in a treatment of modern positions which
> have been influenced by the Rationalist program.  Books on or by particular
> Rationalist thinkers are also OK.
 
I can't say much about Des Cartes or Spinoza, but anyone interested
in Leibniz might want to see C. D. Broad's book on him, look through
Bertrand Russell's master's thesis on him, and read Voltaire's CANDIDE.
 
Bill writes "modern positions" -- does he mean "Contemporary"?  If
he means something in Modern Philosophy, then much of Kant's CRITIQUE
OF PURE REASON is a reaction to the Rationalists.
 
If he means "Contemporary" -- then Russell's comments might be a good starting
point.  It has been years since I read Russell's thesis, but I seem to
remember that he was influenced by Leibniz's use of logic in his work.
 
Mark
From: janines@novell.com (Janine Schenone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Once I put this book down, I could not pick it up again.
Summary: Nor could I lift my head
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:27:44 GMT
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, California

In article <1992Oct7.124735.21802@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
>
>Now here we have the makings of one of the better threads in years.
>Good books which are just too damn boring to read.

My nomination for the most boring book in the world: Spenser's Faerie Queene.
I tried for days to read the damn thing for a class, but my head
would hit the table before my eyes got to the second page. I finally
forced my eyes across the lines, but absorbed nothing.

Milton? I like some of the shorter works.

Henry James? He falls in my category of "I never would have read this
if it were not required, but I'm glad that I did." I still consider
_Portrait of a [the?] Lady_ a final novel *to have read.* Same goes
for Mann's _Magic Mountain_. 

Janine Schenone
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: REWARD OF $US100 TO END FATWAH ON RUSHDIE
Keywords: Rushdie,fatwah
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 00:04:08 GMT

wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL):
>I HEREBY PLEDGE $US 100 IN FAVOUR OF ANY PARTY SUCCESSFUL IN
>BRINGING ABOUT THE END OF THE FATWAH...

For shame, John!  You *know* that commercial announcements are
not allowed on the net, except in the designated newsgroups...

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   God helpe the man so wrapt in Errours endless traine  -- Edmund Spenser
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From: olsen@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Diane Olsen)
Subject: Re: Seeking: incisive essayists, any race, creed, or gender
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:55:44 GMT

In article <1biijnINN8c8@agate.berkeley.edu> oliver@redwood.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Oliver Sharp) writes:
>
>Any suggestions?

Joan Didion, Gregory Dunne, Susan Sontag, Jan Morris, Calvin Trillin,
Virginia Woolf, Lewis Thomas, Vivian Gornick, Hugh Kenner, Mark Twain,
W.E.B. DuBois, Tillie Olsen (no relation), Molly Ivins....I could go
on and on, but these and everybody else's suggestions should hold you
for a while.

Bon appetit!

--Diane

-- 
Diane L. Olsen		"A woman with a mind is fit for all tasks."
olsen@csli.stanford.edu		--Christine de Pizan (c.1363-c.1431)
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From: baker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Baker)
Subject: Re: The Philosophy of Science (was Re: Once I put this book down, I could not pick it up again.
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:12:12 GMT

In article <Bw68sp.8G7@acsu.buffalo.edu> pscchris@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Christopher Holoman) writes:
>
>Just a quick note that this is not right.  Kuhn was trained as a physicist, 
>and then moved to history of science and then to philosophy of science
>(See _Structure_, 2nd ed., pg v.)  This is important because Kuhn  
>objected to the use of his paradigm concept in the _social_ sciences,
>where it was taken up with great relish,
>although he later seemed to decide it was O.K.

But his claim is that the hard sciences are more like the soft sciences
than people care to admit.  So logically he should argue that the "paradigm
concept" applies even more to the social sciences, and I think he does
say this in the appendix to the book.

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From: rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires)
Subject: Minority Booklists (Was Re: Native American Indian novels)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 10:15:29 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Oct5.211723.29804@nas.nasa.gov> wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith) writes:
>rahim writes:
>
>	Could someone recommed some Native American Indian novels, in 
>	which native spirituality is encountered.
>
>There are the Carlos Castenatos (spelling approximate) books
>

	I say nix on Casteneda.  Forget him.

	Try _Laughing Boy_ by Oliver LaFarge, and there is another
	famous one called _The Boy Who Killed the Deer_, or something
	close to that, that is very good (it's been years).  Someone
	else has mentioned _House Made of Dawn_ already.

	On related topics, I think it would be very good to
	create a literature booklist for all the major minorities
	at least in NA.  Terrance Heath has yet to surface with
	his promised Negro lit file, and I hereby ask Mr. Rahim to
	gather responses to this thread into a booklist and post
	the result.

	I would also like to see a booklist for Latin/Mexicans/Spanish-Amer.
	and would recommend Rudolpho A. Anaya's novels, especially
	_Bless Me, Ultima_, and _Tortuga_ for such a list.

Roger Squires
rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu
From: tracy@horizon.com (Tracy Benelli)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: female mystery writers
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:55:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Science Horizons, Inc.


 am late to this subject, however -

being a fan of mystery writers who keep their tongue firmly
in cheek, I have discovered several books written by women
that I found to be very entertaining (great weekend/bathtub
material)

Sue Grafton - as has already been discussed - has a marvelous
series out, as does Joan Hess.  A writer who I have not
seen mentioned, and who I found to be very funny and did
not take herself or her craft overly seriously, is Elizabeth
Peters.  Her books have several themes, all depending upon
the series.  One series is about a woman named Jaquline
Kirby, and the events take place in current times.  The
other series has as the main character an uproarious
character named Amelia Peabody Emerson.  She and her
husband are archaeologists at the turn of the century,
and most of their escapades take place in Egypt.  There
is quite a bit of Egyptology inolved in the storylines.
(As Mrs. Peters has her PhD. in Egyptology from the
University of Chicago, I believe that most of her
facts her pretty accurate.).

I have recently discovered the books by Patricia
Cromwell.  Admittedly, they are not written
with the tongue-in-cheek manner of the above
authors, however, I did enjoy them and found
them to be very readable wihout being overly
gory.  I was almost put off by the covers, tho.
Talk about your tabloid-shock-value illustrations
and cover headlines....  jeesh!

Tracy Benelli
tracy@arfalas.horizon.com





.   vvrier
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Fixing Damaged Books
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:44:58 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <scs.719166634@hela.iti.org>, scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons) writes:
> klier@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> 
>  [[ many interesting and useful suggestions for healing damaged pages ]]
> 
> Might you have a similar set of suggestions for dealing with mildew?
> -- 
> scs:  Tied for last on the Zwicky list with `zwicky'.

UV lamp.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Lesson learned from Gov. Wilson's signing of AB 2601: if you don't get 
your way, have a riot.  Next time, Gov. Wilson will cower appropriately.
From: hosch2263@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Once I put this book down, I could not pick it up again.
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:03:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: iscsvax.1992Oct14.170354.7652
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

> In article <BvrCGL.12B@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tdlg9831@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tracey Dianne Layng) writes:
> 
>>I have two books I could not pick up again. One is _Wuthering Heights_ (I
>>really detest that book.  The other was _The Dwarf_ by Par Lagerkvist.
> 
> I couldn't get through _Wuthering Heights_ either, but the one that
> Eric Olson <ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu>

        I tried reading one Joyce Carol Oates novel, and I found it boring and
full of tangents, but I think the book I hated the most was Stephen King's _The
Stand._  Normally, I love King's books, but this one was terrible.
        
        Kitten.
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danced with the devil in     *  "Because if it was green, we wouldn't know
the pale moonlight?" (Wham!) *   where to stop mowing."
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                hosch2263@uni.iscs.edu
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:44:15 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <JMC.92Oct6184027@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>, jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy) writes:
> Mark Taranto writes:
>      Clayton strikes me as the kind of person who, when asked if
>      the proverbial glass is half full or half empty will reply
>      "Look at all the flouride."
> 
> Why does Mark Taranto think Clayton Cramer would misspell "fluoride"?
> He must be prejudiced against Sonoma State University.
> --
> John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305

Especially since fluorine is what of my favorite gases.

I'm surprised someone hasn't written a trashy romance novel
about Moissan's successful effort to isolate fluorine gas in the
last century.  All that fluospar for carving into fittings, diffracting
the light into double images; all that cold fluorine gas, slowly
eating away at the copper piping; and maybe "for dramatic effect,"
an accident with one of the assistants running from the building,
engulfed in flames that even make water disassociate and catch
fire.

See, INFIDEL?  You can write an entirely bizarre posting without
using a single vulgar word!
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Lesson learned from Gov. Wilson's signing of AB 2601: if you don't get 
your way, have a riot.  Next time, Gov. Wilson will cower appropriately.
From: saint@cats.ucsc.edu (Daniel Ira Bodenheimer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: James Bond
Date: 8 Oct 1992 20:22:18 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu
Keywords: James, Bond, Fleming, Charteris, Saint, spy


In article <92196@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
>Have you never heard of "copyright"?
>-- 
>-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)

I am sorry that I forgot to include copyright permissions, as the 
piece is copyright 1965 by Leslie Charteris. I am working on a 
large bibliography of his work and have gotten his permission to use,
copy, and publish some of his writings--mostly for various introductions
that he wrote that I really plan on using. There is no problem here as
long as nobody take the article and trys to reprint it somewhere else. I
just posted it for the net's collective reading pleasure. Thank you
for the reminder, I will take more care in the future.
-Dan
From: amnell@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Marko Amnell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: More philosophy of science tomes
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:17:47 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

Some more works in the dying field of philosophy of science:

_A Realist Theory of Science_ by Roy Bhaskar.  The last die hard modal
realist, Bhaskar begins his programme for `reclaiming reality'.

_The Semantic Conception of Theories and Scientific Realism_ by Fred
Suppe.  A 350 page tome slapped together from 20 articles by one of
the developers (together with Suppes and Van Fraassen) of the semantic
conception (model theory) of theories.

_Explaining Science_: A Cognitive Approach_.  A good example of what
happens when the artificial intelligentsia gets its hands on Science.
Contains a good mini history of the subject and funny interviews with
particle physicists.

_Science and its Fabrication_ by Alan Chalmers.  An introduction by the
man from down under who brought us _What is This Thing Called Science?_.

_Against Method_ and _Farewell to Reason_ [quite!] by Paul "anything
goes" Feyerabend.  Mere Anarchy let loose on the Net!

_How the Laws of Physics Lie_ by Nancy Cartwright.  A sexy book by a
sexy Lady from the LSE.  My favourite Anglophile.  'Nuff said.

Three books by Bas van Fraassen already on the Marko Amnell reading list
in sci.philosophy.meta _The Scientific Image_ Lakatos award winner,
_Laws and Symmetry_ (laws of nature vs. symmtery laws of physics) and
_Quantum Mechanics_ a comprehensive work that sets out Van Fraassen's
ideas of the best interpretation (comes close to Copenhagen ideas with
some modality added).

And one more, a personal favourite, out of print from North Holland, 
and looney. _A Deductive Theory of Space-Time_ by Saul A Basri.  A
reconstruction of General Relativity in rigorous logical calculus.

That's all for now kids.

-- 
Marko Amnell
amnell@klaava.helsinki.fi
Graduate Student in Philosophy
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From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: Re: Once I put this book down, I could not pick it up again.
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:58:30 GMT

Reading this thread so far, all this talk about books we were not able
to finish, has been most entertaining--I especially liked the one about
the guy who choked on "Becuz we are too meny" in _Jude_the_Obscure_--
but also it's been puzzling for me.  I've felt as if I were being
posed a question that didn't make sense.  I noticed that everyone else
seemed to find it perfectly sensible, so I couldn't figure out what was
wrong with me.  Why could I not think of a book that I wasn't able to
finish?  I could think of lots of books I had *chosen* not to finish,
but not a one that had defeated me or frustrated me in the fashion
being discussed on this thread.

Today I figured it out.  Almost *all* the books I read, I only read
partway through.  I usually read 200 pages, or 50 pages, or 100 pages,
or even just 5 pages--of books I've never read before--because books of
any power tend to throw me off course, tend to propel me into some sort
of action.  The only books that I always finish on the first bout of
reading--I don't mean all in one sitting, but over a few days--are
what I consider trash fiction, which serve the same purpose for me
that television seems to serve for others.  Good novels, philosophy,
poetry, essays--all of those are in a different class.  Too intense for
me to read all at once.  I have to pause, mid-book, and let myself
think it through.  I get overloaded by Dostoevsky's obsessionality, or
by Freud's frequent reversals of opinion, or even by A. S. Byatt's
preciosity.  But that doesn't mean I'm not going to finish the book
some day (maybe).  The thing is, I don't know which ones I'll finish
and which I won't.  

This method of reading does require a lot of bookmarks, I have to say that.


                                   --enjoying the process,

                                             Fiona
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From: ogil@quads.uchicago.edu (Brian W. Ogilvie)
Subject: Re: Darwin bio
Reply-To: ogil@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Morris Fishbein Center for the History of Science and Medicine
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:55:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.061853.6192@ncar.ucar.edu> chucks@uars2.acd.ucar.edu (Chuck Smythe) writes:

>Loren Eisley's _Darwin's Century_ is probably the book you want.  It reviews
>most of Darwin's predecessors and contemporaries in the field with just
>the purpose of sorting all this out.
>
>			Chuck Smythe

Eiseley's book is a few decades out of date and he places far too much
emphasis on Edward Blyth as a source for Darwin's theory. For a
general history of evolutionary theory, concentrating on the
nineteenth and twentieth century, look at _Evolution: The History of
an Idea_ by Peter Bowler; Bowler's other work is more controversial. A
very good collection of essays on Darwin and Darwinism is _The
Darwinian Heritage_ (unfortunately I don't recall the editors' names
off the top of my head, but it was published in 1985 by Princeton).
Janet Browne is working on a more scientific biography of Darwin but
I'm not sure when it will be coming out. For a very good specialist
analysis of a particular aspect of Darwin's thought, its intellectual
ancestry and influence, look at Robert J. Richards's _Darwin and the
Emergence of Evolutionary Theories of Mind and Behavior_. Finally, an
excellent work on evolution in 1830s and 1840s England, look at _The
Politics of Evolution_ by Adrian Desmond (coauthor of the new Darwin
bio); Desmond's earlier _Archetypes and Ancestors_ is also worth a
look.  A good introduction to the French background for evolutionary
theory is Pietro Corsi's _The Age of Lamarck_.

-- 
Brian W. Ogilvie           DISCLAIMER: You think I have time to
b-ogilvie@uchicago.edu       think about everything I post?
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