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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Visibility
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:10:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: i88.1992Aug14.161009.25996
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <1992Aug13.172810.3835@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>Jonathan "One 'o'" Quist writes:
>
>[Multiple pearls of wisdom from sundry sources deleted]
>>>>>Face it, Chuck.  Taken as an aggregate, the human race is a stupid,
>>>>>sorry lot.
>
>Reminds me of an item I read recently. A bungee jumper was killed. It was
>noticed after the fact that NO ONE HAD BOTHERED TO TIE THE OTHER END OF THE
>CORD (the part not tied to the jumper) TO ANYTHING! 


Yes, that was quite recent, and I believe in the Chicago area.

>It would seem to me (a non-jumper) that that would be one of the first things
>to check. Failure to do so constitutes stupidity. However, it must be borne
>in mind that, had the event (by some miracle) NOT proven fatal, the afore-
>mentioned bungee-jumper would, in all likelihood, STILL be considered competent
>to operate high-mass four-wheeled machinery at high velocity on public 
>thoroughfares by most, if not all, states.

What's even more ironic is that he also would have still been considered
competant enough to be a _licensed_bungee-jump_instructor_!  (Yes, 
you read it right.  The guy that bought it was an instructor.)


ObMoto:  If I'm lucky, I get to work on Gleep this weekend.
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jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:05:14 -0400 
From: Mark Joseph Andy <ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: %$*#^$! Tailgaters
	<1992Aug16.161924.17655@aber.ac.uk>

Howdy,

ans0@aber.ac.uk (Austin Newton Shackles) writes:
> pull and slow down 'till he passes, then hit main beam and follow him about 
> 10ft off his back bumper for the next 10 miles/till he stops. If he stops, 
...
> since then i've done it myself to blind cagers pulling out in front of me on a
> bike, and it seems to work...they start to get nervous, looking 'round at 
> you...if they slow down and pull over, you just stay behind...dont do 
> anything, just being there is enough...

Or, what they could do is just nail the brakes, causing you and your
bike that are 10 ft. off their bumper to grind yourselves into the
pavement.  And then they could sue you for damage to their vehicle
since you were following at an improper distance.

Sounds cool to me.

Physics folks, physics...

Mark

| Mark J. Andy			WERA NV #813		AMA #700560	|
| ma1w+@cmu.edu			KotR			DoD #813	|
| Co-founder/Rider, Team RISC and Two Geeks Racing			|
| '82 Seca 650 (street), '85 RZ350 (track), '87 KDX200 (the humbler)	|
| I want RZ350 parts like steering damper, fork brace, SS lines, etc... |
From: fussy@hairball.Eng.Sun.COM (Tom Fussy - Display Development)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Corbin Gunfighter saddles
Date: 14 Aug 1992 00:09:57 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: fussy@hairball.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: hairball

I recently put a Corbin on my TDM850 and toured from San Francisco to Canada
and back.  My overall impression of the Corbin seat has been favorable, but
there have been/continue to be problems.  First, in the area of comfort, the
Corbin seat offers a big advantage in terms of its basic shape over my stock
seat.  The Corbin derives most of its comfort advantage by working through
more square inches, and;

   More Square Inches of Your Butt in Contact With the Seat = A Good Thing

However, there is a drawback to this square inch thing and it boils down to
the fact that the Corbin transmits more road shock than my stock seat.  The
Corbin also uses a higher density foam, which further aggrevates the problem
with road shock.  Don't be surprised if you experience the same thing.

As for quality, I like the appearance, and the materials seem to be of high
quality (the Corbin weighs several pounds more than the stock seat) but I have
had a real problem with the seat latch mechanism on the Corbin.  Corbin doesn't
use the stock seat pan for his seats.  He tools his own pan.  The material he
uses does not seem to have the best dimensional stability.  At least not on
my seat.  At first, the latch mechanism was just catching a little.  Then, it
started to catch more severely, one time causing my key to get pretty seriously
stuck in the lock.  Finally, it reached a point where it wouldn't latch anymore,
and that's the way it sits today.  Also, it doesn't match the bikes lines very
well as it did when new.  But the TDM may be a special case since it has a pretty
weird shaped seat.

That's been my experience.

My overall impression:  The Corbin seat is not an engineered product.  It is
more of a seat-of-the-pants :-), garage shop kind of affair.  I would probably
do it over again since my stock seat was so bad, but it would be nice if Mike
hired a couple of engineers, like a materials engineer and a human factors
engineer that knew seating and foams and all that.


Bottom line:  I like the product, I like the company, I like the man.  But it's
              not all roses (watch out for the thorns).



Tom Fussy
(New to the net, ain't got no footer, yet)
From: terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: %$*#^$! Tailgaters
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:03:41 GMT
Organization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean, VA

In article <1992Aug16.161924.17655@aber.ac.uk>, ans0@aber.ac.uk (Austin Newton Shackles) writes:
> In article <BD.92Aug15114736@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
> >
> >hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm) askes:
     
Craig describes an incident with a MAJOR asshole, then posits:

> >>What would YOU do ?

Austin then writes:

> pull and slow down 'till he passes, then hit main beam and follow him about 
> 10ft off his back bumper for the next 10 miles/till he stops. If he stops, 
> pull up (out of grabbing range), give him the kind of stare that implies that 
> you've memorised his features pretty thoroughly, then blast off into the 
> distance...some guy in a merc did this to me once, followed me around just 
> 'cos i pulled out in front of him...i dunno, some people...:-)
> 
> since then i've done it myself to blind cagers pulling out in front of me on a
> bike, and it seems to work...they start to get nervous, looking 'round at 
> you...if they slow down and pull over, you just stay behind...dont do 
> anything, just being there is enough...


I dunno, this still seems like an invitation for .45 cal slug between the
eyballs to me.  You don't know what kind of asshole your dealing with, and a
macho asshole with a pistol that you've been trying to shake up seems like
the kind of person who just may let fly a few rounds in yer particular 
direction.

Whoever said to pull over and let the asshole pass has it right I think.
Revenge is sweet, but rarely accomplishes anything but an escalation of
of a minor event into a major hassle.  Just pull over,  fume for a bit,
then tell us all about it on the net.  You'll get some satisfaction out
of pointing out a major asshole to a large group of people, some 
commiseration out of us,  and we can electronically blast the MF to
kingdom come.

OBNorth Of England,  shouldn't that be wee geordie?

Terry


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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Can't find Meguirs.  Toothpaste?
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:17:43 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <1992Aug20.234041.15158@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>,
hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm) wrote:
> 
> 
> 	I've called every bike shop in the area.  Nobody has even EVER
> 	heard of Meguirs(sp?) plastic polish/cleaner for plastic.

Sorry to hear that.
I'll send you a brand new bottle.  On me.

Send me your address via:
	JStafford@Stafford.Winona.MSUS.EDU or
	Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU

It's really that good.  I want you to try it.

 john
From: mick@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: RE Mr. Small
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:13:51 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

Somewhere, Sometime, Thus Spake egreen@East.Sun.COM:
:- In article 20202@usenet.ins.cwru.edu, jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker) writes:
:- >
:- >An organization that would rather kill 7 people than
:- >take the bad PR that comes with halting a shuttle launch when it was
:- >know before hand that the O-rings were bad.
:- 
:- Yeah, right.  I happen to know Mary Shafer is in charge of every
:- program at NASA, and she is personally responsible for every decision.
:- Get a fuckin life, pal.

	if you had paused to read mary shafer's post before responding,
	you would have noted that she made a generalized reference to
	posts from .edu sites and went on to comment "am i the only one
	who feels schools are starting earlier each year" (not exact
	quote). now i dont remember who the periodic anti-edu poster is,
	but such posts are common enough (especially on rec.moto) and
	well worth ignoring (maybe even as humble attempts at humour)
	but john daker sure has a point... especially when he goes on to
	say:

:- >An idiotic reply to an idiotic comment.

	all he did was point out the idiotic nature of making
	generalized statements based on individual behaviour (or at
	least thats the way it reads to me).

:- No, just an idiot.

	who?

	happy riding,

	- ravi


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From: ohrd!jlevine@cs.toronto.edu (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Helmets and Motorcycle Fatalities
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 13:38:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.212057.5880@island.COM> fester@etorofu.island.COM () writes:
>..... Now, cutting down ACCIDENT
>RATES, through continued education would have an effect. They could take a
>mere 20% of the "millions of dollars" they imagine themselves to be saving
>and invest that in motorcycle training and everyone would benefit. Actually,
>I'd like to see similar programs for automobiles. 

Clap!Clap!Clap!Clap!

What a great idea! But is it possible to educate The Public? The National 
Enquirer-reading (for the literate ones), baseball-watching, pickup-truck-
driving, Cosby-loving, Commie-fearing, snot-nosed, paraniod, ignorant 
public?  It'll never work.

Elitistly, academically and yuppily yours,

J

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine    DoD #275
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
From: joe@mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How do you get your way in traffic?
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:33:16 GMT

meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Michael Bain) writes:
> It was disgusting, but I had to drive my cage into work the other day
> because it needed some work done.  As I was trying to merge in to a
> lane, this "lady" cut me off ... I thought "shit this never happens
> when I ride the bike".  But then it happened the next day, another
> asshole (and 30 feet later I can get in the HOV lane, ha ha).  So
> there's gotta be something I can do rather than just wimp out, without
> getting killed or "tarnishing" our image.

the initial reaction even in the most braindead of cagers is to
avoid impending doom (when they're not busy causing it). there
used to be this fellow in a puke yellow station wagon that I would
see occasionally that would take charge on the road to put it
mildly. when he wanted to change lanes and someone was next to him,
he would swerve toward the front fender of the offending cage.
he obviously planned this so that if the other driver didn't react
he would miss them, but with the sudden swerve accompanied by his
squealing tires I never saw anyone not react. the other driver
would slam on his brakes and swerve away, clearing the lane for him.
probably not something to do on a bike, but it does work when you're
bigger than they are...

--
Joe Senner                                          joe@zx11.cactus.org
Tandem Computers Inc.                               joe@mpd.tandem.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: duke@cupid.uucp (Duke Robillard)
Subject: Newbie Tire Question
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 17:06:21 GMT
Summary: What's the deal with tire sizes?

So, what's the deal with tire sizes?   I was looking at tire ads
in the magazine, and couldn't quite figure it out.  Like, I have
a 100/90 16 tire.  I think this means 100 (units) wide, .9 width
to height ratio of some kind, 16" diameter.  Is that right?

When I get new tires, do they have to be exactly the same?  Some
postings here make me think you can get wider ones-is that true?

And what's with the "V" letter in some tire sizes? Is that like,
high performance or something?

I checked the FAQ first, but there wasn't anything there.  email
me, and I'll summarize and send it to KoTF.

(Hey, check it out--I'm right-justified.  Yow.)


Duke Robillard           DoD #0130
duke@cc.bellcore.com     {backbone}!bcr!cupid!duke
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm)
Subject: Motorcycle parking, UVic.
Organization: Ocean Sciences Centre
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:16:53 GMT


	While living in Victoria Canada, I noticed they had these long
	covered bike stalls, or garages, or whatever you wanna call 'em.
	I think they had a concrete floor.  It was pretty long lemmie tell
	ya.  I figure Victoria has one of the longest riding seasons in
	Canada (competes with Vancouver I would imagine), and seems the
	university there is catering to *our* needs/wants.  

	Craig

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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Wearing a helmet
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:07:08 GMT

paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:
>In article <1992Aug9.052144.18106@ms.uky.edu> sean@ms.uky.edu (Sean Casey) writes:
>+In article <1992Aug4.134458.4615@hemlock.cray.com> rags writes:

>+>He slid under the car the helmet caught on the under carriage of the
>+>car.

>+Hmmm I wonder what would have happened to an unhelmeted person shot
>+under a car with the same velocity.

>There is only one way to find out for sure.  At the next DoD ride, we
>will perform some empirical tests!

Wouldn't shooting people under cars be a task better suited to chicken
guns? They'd probably need some adaptation, but the results would
probably be much more repeatable and reliable.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46       My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.      FJ1200
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,alt.motorcycles.harley,rec.motorcycles.dirt,rec.motorcycles.racing,news.groups
From: phg+@CS.CMU.EDU (Paul Gleichauf)
Subject: Re: Cheap Gas in BMW K-100 RS? Corrections and mea culpa.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 23:45:55 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

In article <1992Aug10.170222.275@halfdome.sf.ca.us>, bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Bob Pasker) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug10.215253.171811@cs.cmu.edu>, phg+@CS.CMU.EDU (Paul Gleichauf) writes:
|> > Octane is deliberately lowered for high altitude useage (to avoid
|> > pre-ignition or knocking?).  The manual rated octane figures are 
|> > based on sea level useage.  The fuel injection system on the more
|> > recent BMW K-series bikes senses both engine fuel octane and altitude
|> > to adjust the mixture. 
|> 
|> this is a joke, right?

Octane additives are supposed to be lessened for altitude and it is not useful
to search out gas stations that sell high octane fuels because your owner's
manual says that your bike should be fed a steady diet of 90-some octane. A
good quality premium grade fuel should serve a motorcycle, or high performance
auto engine, with no problems.  I have noticed a performance decline with
elevation, but I never attempted to verify whether it was real.

I unintentionally started a vigorous debate about octane sensing which 
should have said that modern electronic fuel injection systems can adapt
to a range of octanes and even fuels (don't take this as a recommendation
to experiment with other fuels) without retuning the engine.  The old BOSCH
L-Jetronic system uses 4 signals from which it can infer some fuel properties.
They are (from the BMW owner's manual)
 
1) intake air volume and temperature (at the airflow meter).
2) engine speed
3) throttle butterfly manual
4) coolant temperature.

These are processed to determine the output signals which control the injector opening period, this in turn determines the volume of injected fuel.
	Note that the air volume will vary with altitude. If I understand octane 
correctly, different grades can effect the engine speed and coolant temperature.
I do not know whether the newer and better Motronic system uses additional
variables other than the hot wire sensor at the air intake.  

|> 
|> >Older K-series bikes had an optional air
|> > sensor plug for high altitude that had to be inserted at the approriate
|> > elevation range.
|> 
|> it was not a sensor plug, but a jumper for the EFI system that said
|> to lean the mixture.
|> 
|> -- 
|> -- bob pasker
|> -- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
|> --

The thing I called a plug is in fact more accurately a jumper cable.  It is not
in the standard user manual for the US imported bikes I have owned.  Word is 
that it is really unnecessary.

							Paul

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn)
Subject: Re: what kind of oil needed for winter storage??
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:45:29 GMT
Reply-To: Pooder@vnet.ibm.com, but I can't receive e-mail, so forget it. 
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <viking.714271409@vincent1.iastate.edu>, viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
|> 
|> 	If you turn it over by hand, will you get enough oil pressure to
|> ensure proper oiling of the top end?  

I don't turn it over by hand.  I disconnect the spark plugs and crank it 
with the starter motor until the oil pressure has come up and oil has 
been circulated.  I do that with some 2-stroke oil in the combustion
chamber to lubricate the pistons and cylinders, too. Then I put in 
new spark plugs and leave it off until spring.

Come spring, I turn it over a few times before reconnecting the spark 
plugs to be sure oil is circulating.  Then I reconnect the plugs and
fire it up.  The cloud of smoke from the 2-stroke oil is a little 
disconcerting, but hey, I know it's been well protected for the winter.

-- 

   Pooder  -  Rochester, MN     DoD# 0591 - LotN (Loser of the Number) 
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From: cantrell@seqp4.sequoia.com (Paul Cantrell)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: radar detectors
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:37:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Sequoia Computer Systems

In article <1992Aug10.193955.17901@midway.uchicago.edu>, xklh@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Krista Lyn Haggert) writes:
> I think that radar detectors are a good idea.  The only problem is that you
> can still get busted. [description of VASCAR deleted]

On the subject of radar detectors, I've had one all along in my Toyota MR2,
and I've avoided a lot of tickets, but I still average one a year, usually
to a cop with instant on moving radar, which is getting quite common around
here. For those of you who haven't had the pleasure of meeting one of these
yet, the radar senses the speed of the police car as well as the target car.
The police car can get you from either direction - oncoming or following.
If the police car is going the opposite direction from you, he can radar
you even if he is following other cars (i.e. he can be in a pack of cars
and still get you). Typically my radar detector detects about a 1/2 second
pulse, and then it's all over. Certainly no time to brake and try to beat
the lock like you can with older units.

Of course, you occasionally get warning if the cop is indiscriminate and
is radaring a lot of cars. But if he only activates it occasionally, I
don't know a good defense from these units.

Other than going fast enough to be in the next county by the time the
police officer decides to give pursuit, anyone know how to beat instant
on radar?

					PC

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