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From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: PETTY PYTHON PROBLEM - POSSIBLY???
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:06:07 GMT

dhm1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DANIEL HILL MCCAULEY) writes:


>    I have a small ball python which I recently found a small wound on it.
>    This wound is not deep nor does it show any kind of blood.  In it's neck
>    near it's head (about and inch away) there is a rip in the skin about the
>    size of (3/8"x1/4") wide which is revealing flesh underneath. (This flesh
>    looks like just raw chicken meat.  Ya know what I mean?)  My question is,
>    should I be deeply concerned about this or will this quickly heal, and is
>    there anything I should do to this thing?  Thanks for any help you may
>    provide for this poor critter!

Keep it clean and it will heal.  Remember that pythons are ground dwelling
predators who subdue thier prey by brute force.  They can take a surprising
amount of abuse.  Your "chicken meat" description indicates that their
probably is no infection present.  Put some Betadine on it anyhow.

OTOH, it's worth your while to find out how this happened in order to prevent worse
injury in the future.  No sharp stuff in the cage and you are pre-killing 
food items?


Good luck.


cheers,
gerard

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From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony A. Datri)
Subject: Re: Questions Preparing for a Garter Snake
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:41:51 GMT

>>garter snake. I am impressed with how carefully she has read the books.

You've got a daughter to be proud of.

>Make sure she is EMOTIONALLY prepped for watching a snake eat its prey whole.

I once watched some garters eat at a pet store.  Occasionally one'd grab a
fish then let it go, and it'd lay there bleeding.  Be ready for this.
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From: fsjdj1@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Can igs overeat?
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:26:25 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

I realize this may be a stupid question, but I thought I'd waste the bandwith
anyway.

I just read someone's post about their iguana not eating and I was wondering if
an iguana can eat too much.  I just got Iago about two months ago, and at first
I was just happy that he was healthy and eating well.  Then he slowly started
to eat more and more, and now I have to refill his dish every day.  He hasn't 
grown much, other than being just a little plump, which is kind of humorous
when he's basking, but he doesn't seem ill at all.  I've heard of snakes that
had overeating problems, but not iguanas.  Any ideas?

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From: tmohler+@cs.cmu.edu (Tim Mohler)
Subject: Re: Questions Preparing for a Garter Snake
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:03:57 GMT

In article <C1HJ5r.KpC@siemens.com> aad@siemens.com (Anthony A. Datri) writes:
>I once watched some garters eat at a pet store.  Occasionally one'd grab a
>fish then let it go, and it'd lay there bleeding.  Be ready for this.

And they flop around pitifully. If you have problems watching Faith No More's
video with the fish out of water, you might not want to watch it eat.

Tim
From: ffn2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (FREDRICK F NOECKER)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: FREE HERP NEWSLETTER
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:26:57 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hi,
  My name is Rick Noecker and a associate of mine, Chris Zimmer, publishes
  a herptology newsletter called the _Rep Amp_.  The _Rep Amp_ focuses on
  animals such as snakes, reptiles, amphibians, turtles and tortoises.  These
  articles that we write focus on how to properly choose, feed, care for and
  breed the already mentioned herps.

  Chris has been working with reptiles for over 10 years at his fathers pet
  store.  In this time he has dealt with many different species of heps and
  has learned how to deal with many herp problems firsthand.  I have worked
  for Chris for over 2 1/2 years now and have done quite a bit of research on
  the herps that I have dealt with.

  The articles that are written in the _Rep Amp_ are based on research and
  personal experience on the particular herp.  Anybody is welcome to write for
  the _Rep Amp_ that has moderate experience and that is willing to do good
  research using up to date references.  So if you are interested in writing
  please let my know by responding over the server.

  THE _REP AMP_ IS ABSOLUTELY FREE AND NON PROPHIT.  We make no prophits from
  the publication of the _Rep Amp_ and it is free to anybody that is
  interested in subscribing to it.

  If you wish to subscribe to the _Rep Amp_ please give me your postal
  address.  I am sorry but the _Rep Amp_ is not yet available on e-mail yet so
  please if you are interested give me your postal address.  No where is to
  far for us to mail it to you and we do so at no cost to you.

  If you have already subscribed to the _Rep Amp_ please don't give me your
  name and address again.  If you enjoy the _Rep Amp_ please tell your freinds
  and give me there names and addresses also.  Too much is never enough.

  Thank You,
    Rick Noecker
    215-758-0304

    P.S.  Your comments and questions are appreciated.
From: ruska@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dave Ruska)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 05:30:40 GMT
Subject: Re: corn snake housing (and care?) wanted
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp

In rec.pets.herp, aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri) writes:

> >     If you do decide to go with the wood shavings, make SURE they are pine
> >and not cedar. Cedar is poisinous to herps!
> 
> Is Pine even safe?  We've all seen the warnings here against Pine-Sol -- is
> pine wood safe?
> -- 

I've seen PINE shavings recommended in a least a few snake books, although
I personally don't use them. Some species of snakes do need some kind of
substate to hide in (such as a Kenya sand boa), and I've seen pine shavings
used for that purpose occasionally.

The problem with Pine-Sol (and Lysol) has nothing to do with Pine. I 
believe these cleaners have Petroleum based solvents which are dangerous
to herps.

Dave               (daver@hpgrrd.gr.hp.com)
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From: mds5597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Magazine Info Needed
Reply-To: mds5597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:41:39 GMT

In article <93025.175117U10119@uicvm.uic.edu>, Ed Dowtort <U10119@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>The other day I read a post that mentioned a reptile amphibian magazine. I
>>could really use the subscription information, including cost, address,
>>and telephone numbers. Thanks in advance.
>
>Reptile & Amphibian magazine, published bi-montly, $12 for 1 yr., $22 for
>two years (12 issues).
>
>address:   Reptile & Amphibian Magazine, RD 3, Box 3709-A, Pottsville,
>PA 17901.
>
>phone:  (717)622-6050, Fax: 622-5858
>
>ed d.



	I don't knmow....I get it now, but I am not enjoying it that much. It
just seems like it is missing something. Is there any other mags out there for
snakes?

                                               
                                                      Treky and Tabatha
							    N8VFZ

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:03:43 EST
From: <ALA102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: lizard tail wiggle

I'm in the process of taming my green amevia and when I scratch his head he wig
gles his tail.  I know that when a snake wiggles his tail that is a sign of ner
vousness.  Is it the same with lizards or is he just enjoying it? He hasn't tri
ed to bite me or move when I scratch him.  He just sits there and wiggles his t
ail.  Any opinions would be greatly appreciated!!

                                                  Thanks,
                                                     Tim
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From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Re: Help - muscle spasms in leopard frog!
Followup-To: rec.pets.herp
Summary: Denver residents drink their sewage
Keywords: This article printed on 100% recycled electrons
Organization: S.M.O.F.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:45:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.213342.15664@cs.uoregon.edu>
svasi@obelix.cs.uoregon.edu (Nathan "Otter" Tenny) writes:

>Does anyone recognise this problem or have any suggestions?  The people I've
>talked to suspect that it might be a vitamin/mineral deficiency; this seems
>odd to me, since a week ago this was a *highly* contented frog (this is the
>one with a fondness for talking to the TV, if you remember that thread); it
>seems like an awfully sudden decline for a nutritional problem.  And there
>should be no toxins in the water--he's been getting a water change every couple
>of days, with decent dechlorinated water.
>

Too much TV!  It's the only explanation!
I'm not an amphibian person (I were, I would probably be on display in
a circus somewhere! :-), but this sounds superficially similar to
viral kinds of nervous disorders that boids get (the well-known
'stargazing disease' for example).  My instinct would be to check the
water, but if you are already using water you can trust, a virus
problem like that would be the only thing I can think of...

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From: thompssp@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Steven P. Thompson)
Subject: Re: Surinam (?) iguana (was: Re: lighting Questions)
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:26:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.120432.10111@sco.com> kamalm@sco.COM (Kamal A. Mostafa) writes:
>
>In article <93025.140018TEM2@psuvm.psu.edu> <TEM2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> | 
> | By the way, we got Spike at the same time.  He (we think) is an Surname
> | Iguana,a least that was what the pets store said.  I have never seen this
>
>Might this be "Surinam Iguana"?  I think I've heard of that, but I don't
>know what makes some igs surinam-type.  Perhaps they're from Surinam?
>
>Can anyone shed any light on this, and while you're at it, what other
>recognized types of igs are available?  How do you tell them apart?
>
>-k
     I looked through some of my lists, and all I was able to find were
Green Iguanas (up to 4.5 ft.!!), and Rhinocerous Iguanas. What about those
Iguanas I have seen on T.V. that live by the ocean. Good swimmers, etc.?
Are they available in the pet trade?

                                               ~Steve


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From: mike@jammin.nosc.mil (mike pawka)
Subject: Re: thermostats (where to buy, how to make???)
Organization: NRaD
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:03:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.094615@IASTATE.EDU>, seedman@IASTATE.EDU (Varanus Komodensis) writes:
|> In article <93020.130429U10119@uicvm.uic.edu>, Ed Dowtort <U10119@uicvm.uic.edu>
|> writes:
|> > 
|> > how do i install a thermostat in my tank?  where do i buy one?  i've seen
|> > some in a science surpluss store, but they were all for high temperature
|> > ranges, and i think only one came with a probe.  can i buy a premade one
|> > into which i could plug in my heating elements and put it's probe in the
|> > tank/cage?
|> > 
|> 	I'm still looking myself.  I have found a "line voltage thermostat"
|> for around $20, but it does not have a temperature probe.  It is made to 
|> mount in a fixture box, like light switch, to control space heaters or other
|> small room heaters.  I have one, but haven't got around to tearing it apart
|> to see if there is a way to rig a probe onto it.
|> 	Until then, see my post on building a temperature control box.  It 
|> fell as a followup in the RE: my balls got a pink belly  thread.  If you 
|> missed it, (it was just yesterday), mail me, I send you a copy.
|>   

	I needed to install one in my Tortoise's house, I just called electical
supply places in the yellow pages and got directed to a place that specialized in
electric controls, they had catalogs full of the things, all shapes and sizes
(and prices). After I nearly blew myself up hooking it up, it works fine :-)

							mike
From: nvonstein@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re:  New Ig brought home
Date: 22 Jan 93 11:22:14 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <16B5B14078.RFEWSTER@SUVM.SYR.EDU>, RFEWSTER@SUVM.SYR.EDU writes:
> Hey, don't worry about sounding mushy on checking on a new animal several times
> during the night...I don't think that there's one of us out here who doesn't do
> precisely that when we have that new critter home!!!
>                                                   Bob Fewster

That's the truth!  Last Saturday I caught a matinee at the movie and it was
just dark when I pulled up in the driveway.  It's been terribly cold and I
check my iguana everytime I walk by his habitat (he's next to a window). 
Anyway when I pulled in the driveway, I noticed something was different about
the side of the house - then I realized that Chivas' light was out.  My only
thought was to get to him quick - not knowing how long he had been without the
warmth from that light.  He was OK - but I held him to my chest for a very long
time so that he could absorb my warmth.  Some may call that mushy - but I
could endure ridicule more than I could endure losing him.

Nancy
From: stevep@wrq.com (Steve Poole)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Can igs overeat?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 20:43:18 GMT
Organization: Walker Richer & Quinn
Distribution: world
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In article <1993Jan28.114503.5259@memstvx1.memst.edu>, nvonstein@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
> 
> What vitamin alternatives would you all suggest?  One herp professor here on
> campus told me (before I got my ig) to give it avian vitamins once a week.  These
> are liquid vitamins and he said to give him one drop a week.  We were
> successful at the first attempt but the next week he clamped his mouth shut and
> how do you wedge that little mouth open without causing damage to the mouth or
> worse yet slipping and hitting an eye.

My feeling is that tofu is far too high in fat to be the primary dietary
component.

As for getting your ig's mouth open against his will, try pulling gently
but firmly downwards on the dewlap. He's probably not going to cooperate,
but with two people you should be able to restrain him and squirt in a
drop within a couple of seconds.

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:51:17 CST
From: Ed Dowtort <U10119@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Magazine Info Needed

>The other day I read a post that mentioned a reptile amphibian magazine. I
>could really use the subscription information, including cost, address,
>and telephone numbers. Thanks in advance.

Reptile & Amphibian magazine, published bi-montly, $12 for 1 yr., $22 for
two years (12 issues).

address:   Reptile & Amphibian Magazine, RD 3, Box 3709-A, Pottsville,
PA 17901.

phone:  (717)622-6050, Fax: 622-5858

ed d.
From: ango@pomona.claremont.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: marine polyurethane
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:58:31 GMT
Organization: Pomona College

Marine polyurethane?
Has anyone had any experience using this stuff in cages for monitors?
(particularly tropical rainforest types)
I know of more than a few people have mistakenly used the wrong stuff on their
cages, causing problems (i.e. death), so I've been sticking with formica and
linoleum (hard and soft) to line the cages., But I've always wondered about
poly urethane, I would think that it would be safe, but I've always been a bit
nervous about using anything chemical.
		Thanks in advance,
				Andre



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Andre Ngo                          \\          Happy herps are healthy herps.
Ango@Pomona.Claremont.Edu           \\         Sorry, I just couldn't think of
address 17315 Horst Ave              \\               anything creative. :(
	Cerritos, CA 90701            \\      
Phone (310)860-3017                    \\      My iguana likes cocoa krispies,
      (714)621-8555x2438                \\           and my retic likes cats.
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From: svasi@obelix.cs.uoregon.edu (Nathan Tenny)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Corn Snake Bites (was Re: Handling rats & Burmese)
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:22:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1993Jan26.222219.24531
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Miskatonic University, Arkham, MA

In article <1993Jan26.155121.12506@ultb.isc.rit.edu> mds5597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>once and she almost bite me. I am a little nervous of what will happen if she
>bites me. I do not want to be scared of snakes after a bite. Anyone want to
>commend on this...

I've been bitten a few times while feeding my two corns (usually the albino,
who is a pretty skittish little girl).  It's not such a terrifying experience;
admittedly, these are juveniles.  Uncomfortable, but not the sort of thing to
instill a phobia.

My girlfriend was the recipient of a misguided feeding strike from one of our
ball pythons once; she assures me that it hurt like hell, but it wasn't that
big a deal.

The Burmese bite that started this, now, sounds like no fun at all.

	NT
From: jorr@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Jim Orr)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Aggressive Iguana...Summary
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:22:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NCR Corporation - Dayton, OH USA

Many thanks to all who responded to our problem.
The replies were somewhat varied.

One reply suggested exercising the ig, to cool it down and
burn off some energy.  It also alluded to the seasons
(winter) causing some aggresiveness.

A second tied the ig's behavior to human menstration...I
don't think it applied to us :-)

A third response discussed the sexual maturation of the ig,
and its development of territorial tendencies. I don't think
ours is quite that old yet.

The best advice given to us was simply to cool down the ig
for awhile before trying to interact with him.  We tried
this with great success.  Since we had the aquarium at about
85 degrees for most of the day, turning the lamp off 
after dinner worked very well. 

Again, thanks everybody!

-Jim Orr
Dayton, OH  
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From: kamalm@sco.COM (Kamal A. Mostafa)
Subject: Re: Surinam (?) iguana (was: Re: lighting Questions)
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 23:06:01 GMT


thompssp@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Steven P. Thompson) writes:
 | kamalm@sco.COM (Kamal A. Mostafa) writes:
 | >
 | >Might this be "Surinam Iguana"?  I think I've heard of that, but I don't
 | >know what makes some igs surinam-type.  Perhaps they're from Surinam?
 | >

Somebody else mentioned that per a pet-store, Surinam Iguanas tend to
be brighter, and maybe have more blue on them (sounds like my two blue-
headed igs), but I still don't know if their bloodline comes from Surinam
or what, or if they're a seperate subspecies, or just colorful iguanas.


 |      I looked through some of my lists, and all I was able to find were
 | Green Iguanas (up to 4.5 ft.!!), and Rhinocerous Iguanas. What about those
 | Iguanas I have seen on T.V. that live by the ocean. Good swimmers, etc.?
 | Are they available in the pet trade?
 | 
 |                                                ~Steve

You are probably referring to the Galapagos Marine Iguana, which only
live on a couple of the Galapagos Islands, and they are certainly
protected.  I've never heard of a domestic one.  There's also the
Galapagos Land Iguana, which also lives only on the Galapagos Islands,
but doesn't swim in the ocean like the Marine subspecies.  Again,
surely protected.  Maybe all species that are endemic to Galapagos are
protected??

-k
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:00:18 EST
From: <TEM2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: lighting Questions

When we got our VitaLite for our Ig this summer the store owner said the we
needed to get a new one each year.  He said the even though it looked good
it will lose the full spectrum after about 12 months.  The Bulb came with a
two year warranty so I am not sure who I should believe.  Was the salesman
just selling lights or does he know something?  Are these lights any better
than the Black light white bulbs that were going around this list last week?
something?  Are these lights (Vita Lite) any better than the Black light
White bulbs that were going around this list?

By the way, we got Spike at the same time.  He (we think) is an Surname
Iguana,a least that was what the pets store said.  I have never seen this
name in any of the books that I have read.  He is Bright Green with some
blue around his neck.  His tail is ringed with brown bands starting about
halfway back.  He was about 14" (nose to tail tip) when we got him and has
grown to 19" in about 6 months.  My son (it's his pet) wants him to get to
be 6 foot I'm hoping 3' is about it.  Any help in finding out more about him
would be greatly appreciated.
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