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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:07:31 EST
From: <OMARS@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Re: Maybe we should talk in a language that afghan people understand.

From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Maybe we should talk in a language that afghan people understand.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:43:37 GMT


BAbak Joooon,

Kheiileee Khaasshang haaarf mizaneee, wale agaaar haarf-e toooraaa kamelan
tadbeeekh koneeem, pass mebayiisst ba zabooon-hayee Pashto, Uzbaki, Baluchi,
Pashaee, Torkmanee, Hazaragee, Kirghizi wa chaand zabooon-e mahaaleee digaar
ham hama balad bashem. Ba jooonat ke namisha beram eeen haamma zabooon-haye
Afghnanistan ra yaad begiram. Pas bya ba hameen zaboooon peedar-sokhta engleess
jeahan-khwar harf moon ra berassaanem.

                                      Khoorbooonnat bera molah Jooon.



---
>Ja-sos-ha-eh Kharji shologh mei-konand dar in newsgroup. Agar rast mei-goyeid,
>va shoma afghani hastid be zabani sohbat Konid ke mardom afghanistan
>sohbat mei-Konand.  Vagar na, Khafeh beshavid va bogozarid mardom afghanistan
>dar solh zendegi konand.

>On-ke ra hesab pak ast
>      Az mohasebah cha buck ast?

>                 Ba Arezoyeh Movafaghyat baryah shoma
>                             Babak   Sehari.
--

Come to think of it BAbak Joooon, your message up there beats the purpose.
You are telling the "Ja-sos-ha-eh Kharji" to zip it, but you are saying it
in YOUR language. They won't get it. But your intention is appreciated.

                                               Khodawand negahdar.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
From: endevour@wam.umd.edu (Afghan)
Subject: Propaganda Sheet (Re: interview with Hikmatyar )
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:35:13 GMT

In article <9211101809.AA14209@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> hyetim@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Hasan Yetim) writes:
>Assalam-o-alaikum
>
>    Here is Interview of Brother  Gulbadeen  Hikmat Yar. This interview was
>taken by Muhammad Javed Mirza on 10th of October in CHAHAR ASIAB near Kabul.
>He mailed me the copy of that interview and I am reproducing it.
>
>Shaukat Ali Bhatti
>_________________________________
>Sbhatti@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
>

For those netters who are not totally familiar with the situation in
Afghanistan this should serve as a fair warning that this interview 
is none but a neatly written propaganda sheet. 

Gulbudin tried his best to form alliances with the former communists
in order to secure power in Kabul. He failed and the current puppet 
President won. Now Gulbudin wants to make a virtue out of a necessity 
in portraying himself as the defender of democracy and Islam. The fact
is he is none but a power hungry war monger who played the most negative
role in the Afghan Jihad. His followers are a bunch of under achievers 
who are totally outcasted from the main-stream of Afghan society.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Afghan News item #18
From: <OMARS@auvm.american.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:22:56 EST
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center


From: clarinews@clarinet.com (ANWAR IQBAL)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 10:07:02 PST


        ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (UPI) -- The Afghan government fears rebel forces
may try to take over a key airbase near Kabul, the Afghan Islamic press
agency reported Saturday.
        The government fears the rebels ``may try to capture the key military
airbase of Bagram after their recent victories,'' the independent agency
said.
        Bagram, 40 miles north of Kabul, is one of Afghanistan's key military
bases and protects the capital from outside attacks.
        The dissident mujahideen leader Gulbadin Hekmatyar moved about 3,000
fresh troops into the area after two of his own commanders rebelled.
        The government encouraged the commanders, Mohammad Ajan and
Qamaruddin, as well as troops of the ruling Jamiyat-i-Islami party to
join government forces in attacks against Hekmatyar's positions.
        The government has formed a five-member, all-party peace mission in
response to the threat of an attack on Bagram airbase. The mission plans
to visit Kohistan for talks with the dissidents, the agency reported.
        The fall of Bagram to the mujahideen -- Muslim fundamentalist rebels --
and their allies in April this year led to the final collapse of the
Soviet-installed regime in Kabul. Since the ouster of the communist
government, the mujahideen factions have been fighting for power.
        ``Anybody who controls Bagram, also controls Kabul,'' said a senior
mujahideen commander. Other airbases, such Shindand and Mazar-i-Sharif,
were far from the capital and could do little to help troops in Kabul if
Bagram fell to a rebel force, he said.
        Hekmatyar's troops captured the Shindand airbase in western
Afghanistan in April, but last month loyalist troops re-captured it.
        When Soviets sent their troops into Afghanistan in 1979, they first
secured Bagram, the commander added.
        The news agency said troops of Hekmatyar recently defeated government
forces in the northern province of Kohistan, the home-base of Abdus
Saboor Fareed, an important leader of the Hezb-i-Islami party. The party
nominated him the first mujahideen prime minister of Afghanistan in June
when an all-party accord awarded the post to Hezb-i-Islami.
        Fareed never relinquished his post, but President Burhanuddin Rabbani
dismissed him in August when the rebels attacked Kabul.
From: endevour@wam.umd.edu (Afghan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Re: Maybe you should tell the truth for a change
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:41:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: wam.1992Nov12.044158.2719
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <sehari.721518217@class1.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>---
>Ja-sos-ha-eh Kharji shologh mei-konand dar in newsgroup. Agar rast mei-goyeid,
>va shoma afghani hastid be zabani sohbat Konid ke mardom afghanistan
>sohbat mei-Konand.  Vagar na, Khafeh beshavid va bogozarid mardom afghanistan
>dar solh zendegi konand.
>
>On-ke ra hesab pak ast
>      Az mohasebah cha buck ast?
>
>                 Ba Arezoyeh Movafaghyat baryah shoma
>                             Babak   Sehari.
>-- 

Mr.Babak seems to suggest that in order to get rid of Foreigne Spies we
should try speaking persian on the news group. This way he thinks we can
get rid of the spies since they would not be able to understand us.

Unfortunately it does not befit an Afghan to hide behind a language in 
order to avoid challanges. Also Persian is not the only langauge spoken in
Afghanistan. There is Pashto, Tajiki, Uzbaki, Hazaragi etc etc. So I think
your effort to weed out undesired elememts ( who ever that may be :-) )
is rather misdirected.    

Nice poem.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:23:29 EST
From: <SAYED@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR AFGHAN MUSIC

In article <1dvck1INNdpf@caravan.ksu.ksu.edu>, 1ebadi@caravan.ksu.ksu.edu (Abdul
Ebadullah Ebadi) says:
>
>     Does anyone know if there are any Afghan music stores anywhere in the    ?
>U.S.
>Any help  would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
>          ***************** ZENDA-BOD AFGHANISTAN ****************

yes, try:
Kabul Market in Alexandria, Va.  (703) 823-5213
Afghan Market in Alexandia, Va.  (703) 212-9529

there are many other stores...let me know if you need addresses or
any more information......

The King.
Sayed W Hussaini
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:04:04 EST
From: Agha Saheb <SH0950A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: testing


this is a test
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:57:46 EST
From: <OMARS@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Afghan news item #19

From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 9:15:29 PST


        ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (UPI) -- Pakistan will help Afghanistan build its
first-ever rail link between Kabul and the border, the government said
Thursday.
        Pakistan's Railways Minister Chaudhry Amir Hussain told Parliament
``the two countries have already reached an understanding for
construction and a joint survey will soon start.''
        The new railway will ultimately link Kabul with Karachi via the
border town of Landikotal. Construction would start as soon as the
situation in Afghanistan allowed, Hussain said.
        Continued fighting among mujahideen resistance groups has stopped all
development work in the war-ravaged country.
        Afghanistan has never had a railway and British efforts to build rail
lines inside Afghanistan were fiercely opposed by its independent minded
tribes.
        However, the British did succeed in building rail links to
Landikotal, the last border town of Pakistan's north west frontier
province, about 175 miles from Kabul. Many British and Indian soldiers
were killed while laying the tracks as the border tribes considered the
project an infringement on their rights.
        Afghanistan is a land-locked country, linked to the outside world by
roads. But most roads were destroyed during 14 years of war that has
killed more than 1 million people.
        Afghanistan uses Pakistan's southern port of Karachi for foreign
trade.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
From: endevour@next09csc.wam.umd.edu (Afghan)
Subject: Re: Headline News 
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:15:47 GMT

In article <sehari.721543364@class1.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak  
Sehari) writes:
> ---
>      PROFILE NEWS
> 
>   1. INTENSE FIGHTING CONTINUES IN ABKHAZIA AND KARABAKH
>   2. GERMANY'S PLAN TO EXPEL ROMANIAN GYPSIES SPARKS CONTROVERSY
>   3. MORE HAITIANS ARRIVE IN MIAMI; FIRST SINCE CLINTON ELECTION
>   4. "ILLEGAL" IMMIGRANTS FACE CLAMPDOWN IN THE NETHERLANDS
>   5. AUSTRALIA TIGHTENS RULES TO COMBAT GROWING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION 
>      PROBLEM
>   6. MONDAY'S MIDDLE EASTERN FOREIGN EXCHANGE RATES
>   7. BUSH ACCEPTS RESPONSIBILITY FOR DEFEAT; NAMES ANDREW CARD TO HEAD
>      TRANSITION
>   8. IRANIAN ENVOY VELAYATI SEEKS TO RESOLVE DIFFERENCES DURING TRIP TO 
>       INDIA
>   9. TAPE RECORDINGS INTRODUCED AT CLAIR GEORGE PERJURY TRIAL
>  10. MONDAY'S FOREIGN EXCHANGE RATES
>  11. RUSSIAN OFFICIAL ESTIMATES 430,000 ARE FLEEING THE WAR IN 
>      TADZHIKISTAN
>  12. MODERATE EARTHQUAKE SHAKES SOVIET TADZHIKISTAN
>  13. MONDAY'S EUROPEAN FOREIGN EXCHANGE RATES


Mr.Sehari ! it seems to me that all this writing has clouded you notion 
of Geography. The subject line says Headline News about Iranian States 
while the news include Karabakh, Germany, Haiti, Netherland, Australia
etc etc. When did these countries become Iranian States ? Suggestion:
Why not rename these posting as -Headline News- or -World News- or even  
-Headline News from Iran- 

Don't you think that would be more appropriate. 
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From: ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira)
Subject: Re: iran & IMW 
Organization: ECE - Concordia University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:15:35 GMT

>In article <1992Nov12.233438.1@max.u.washington.edu> joad@max.u.washington.edu writes:
>>
>>I personally have come to have more respect to those who say that shias are 
>>`Kafers' than people like ridha and Ilyas who, on one hand say I have no
>>problem with shiism, and on the other they say; every thing but a shii leader!!!
>
>I personally never said that, nor did I imply it.  Please look back at my
>previous messages.  I didn't even bring up the subject of Shia and Sunna.
>I don't even wish to talk about this.
>Please don't put words in my mouth I didn't say.
>
Neither did I, but it seems this brother prefers to be called Kafer rather
than to be asked to boast less... Well it seems he got the Saudis as a deserved
"more-respected" partner..

My request of less boasting and more action actually concerns all the Islamic
movements... It seems that they prefer to talk before they act, much like their
governments.. I can give many examples.. It just pains me that we did
not learn yet to be more effective.

In my opinion any one who thretens and boasts (like Saddam did to the U.S)
is not serious about his threats otherwise he  would be stupid to warn the 
enemy  before he attacks.

Learn from Israel: when they need to kill a Salman Rushdi, they do not
give death threats, they execute and they deny any responsability.

(Just an example, I am against killing that worthless bigot in the first place.)
>>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
From: Youssef Fawaz <@mcl2mac.berkeley.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: reward
Date: 11 Nov 1992 18:13:31 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley
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>Message-ID: <1992Nov11.055307.26987@njitgw.njit.edu>

>
>In article <1992Nov10.193935.3970@ccsun.strath.ac.uk>
ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk 
>("I.Ballouz") writes:

>
>>Anyway, I don't want to talk about the issue because I don't want to do
like
>>what you have been doing. You take few examples, and you imply that
this is
>>Islam.
>>I could easily focus on BOSNIA, get examples from the western media and
say:
>>look at Xtianity, they are raping women, they are starving people to
death,
>>they are burning people alive. Newspapers are full of such stories.
>
>That's a totally meaningless example given the fact that the Serbs
>have had clashes with both Bosnians and Croats. Last time I checked
>the Croats were not very Moslem :-) Try again Mr. Ballouz.
>

Nowhere in Imad's quote do I see a reference to Christians killing only
Muslims.  He said the Serbs who are Christians are raping/killing/etc...
The religion of their victims is irrelevant.  Your sarcasm is in poor
taste
and cannot substitute for your reading deficiencies.

The point Imad was making is that if you think you can take the examples
of
a couple of slave traders in the Arabian Peninsula in 1920 and extrapolate
this to generalize that all Muslims either condone  or are actually slave
traders, then you should equally accept the statement that the behaviour
of 
the Christian Serbs is typical of Christians everywhere.

But I guess that the absurdity of such generalizations will be lost on
you.  After all, the fact is you have flaunted your racism time and again
in this forum without blinking an eye.


Youssef Fawaz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz")
Subject: Re: Hoss outstanding (was Re: Lebanon corporation?)
Organization: University of Strathclyde
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:19:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.151833.29706@njitgw.njit.edu> elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
>ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz") writes:
>
>Dr. Hoss was unknown to all of us, suddenly he turned out to be the outstanding
>premier we ever had. 
>
>Elie replies:
>
>Gen. Aoun was unknown to all of us, suddenly he turned out to be the outstanding
>interim PM we ever had. 
>
>(I guess we all have our opinions :-))
>

I am very proud of the outstanding PM "hoss" and it is enough for me that he
did not spell the blood of any innocent on the streets in Lebanon!
And I am not going to compare him with other men, perhaps he is not ideal for 
you but he is more than good-enough for me to accept him and call him an
oustanding PM.

>Mr. Ballouz, just ask yourself, who is calling the shots in Lebanon. 
>The second question, how sovereign is Lebanon?.
>I am  still awaiting the Syrian "redeployment" that 
>Hrawi/Hoss/Karami/Husseini/Geagea/Saadeh/.../ "guaranteed" and which was
>supposed to take place a couple of months ago.
>
>There is no Syrian redeployment because:
>- Israel must leave first :-)
>- Hrawi has not asked Assad :-)
>- 200 extra days needed to assess what Hariri is going to be like :-)
>- Clinton is a wild card, can't withdraw now :-)
>- Israel is battling Hezbollah, they need moral support :-)
>- Taef hasn't been implemented fully :-)
>- Lebanese army "retraining" is still far from target :-)
>-

If you care to give the PM a chance and stop undermining his authority, perhaps
some of these things would be solved. But as far as you are asking him to be
a miraculous man and solve the problem that he had inherited from previous
governmnets, militias and organizations, I doubt if you are going to get
satisfied with his performance.

>
>any other good ones ?

It has always been in your hands,  and it has always been the case
that Presidents decide and chose the PMs, should not be asking the question
"did we ever had good presidents to chose good PM"?
-- 
*******************************************************************************
* IBRAHIM BALLOUZ            **           DEPARTMENT OF ARCHITECTURE          *
* ccav38@uk.ac.strath.ccsun  **  STRATHCLYDE UNIVERSITY GLASGOW SCOTLAND U.K. *
*******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: The Litani River
Organization: UiO
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:57:35 GMT

In article <Nov09.173851.72221@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan) writes:
>

etc. etc.

>I suspect Israel will wrestle from Lebanon the legal
>rights to the water diversion in place, as a price
>for its withdrawal.  Let's face it folks, Israel has vital
>interests in Lebanon that go beyond security for its 
>northern border, it is up to us to speak up and uphold the 
>Lebanese inalienable rights to _OUR_ land and _OUR_ water.
>More details to follow,  and I hope then to provide
>solid published references.

Basil, thanks for your post.

again I am going to propose some cooperation, but what the hack, I love this
Lebanon of ours.

Basil could we start a group or mailing list, or use the ones available to
follow up this issue. We need to get concrete facts (as you have presented us
here) and we should not let any inch of our rights go without a fight.

We need to make the world aware of this aggression and we as professsionals are
best palced to do so.

If it is possible could you OCR the UN report?? amd send it to us?

we will be able to right reviews of it and present exerpts of it to owr local
media and politicians.

We should not take this, or any other aggression, lightly. It is the future of
our country and our children that is at stake. We can not start taling the
*STRATEGIC NEEDS OF OUR NEIGHBOURS INTO CINSIDERATION* when this means that we
compromise our own security and sovereignty!

UNCONDITIONAL WITHDRAWAL of ALL OCCUPYING FORCES!

what do you say Basil?

>Basil 
>

elie wardini
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Clinton and Assad
Date: 11 Nov 92 05:27:16 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


From Clao:

In an interview scheduled for publication on Wednesday in al-Majalla, the
weekly Saudi Arabian magazine, Syria's vice-president Abdelhalim Khaddam
said that if the Clinton Administration "takes positions that conflict with
(Syria's) interests, (Syria) will certainly strive to protect those
interests."

President-Elect Bill Clinton was highly critical of Syria during his election
campaign, accusing president George Bush of sacrificing "the prospects for
an independent Lebanon in order to curry favor with Syria's dictator,
Hafez Assad," and declaring that "to acquiesce to Syria's control 
over Lebanon would show disdain for our long-standing commitment to 
Lebanon's territorial integrity and independence."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: Apology
Organization: UiO
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:51:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.225658.27986@trl.oz.au> faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz
Faris) writes:
>I want to thank Basil Hamdan for writing to me personnaly and pointed a 
>possible mis-interpretation. I did not mean that the new Lebanese generation
>are agents for Zionism. I was only convying that the US congress is entirely
>pre-occupied with Syrian occupation, and not even mentioning the Israeli
>occupation and diversion of water that has been known for the past 3 years.
>It seemed to me reading Mr. Mourads posts that you are being used as a 
>propaganda tool against the Syrians only to leave the Israelis' do what ever
>they please in South Lebanon, even using the South Lebanese as a target
>practice to keep their troops combat ready and airforce in top shape.
>
>Please accept my humble aplogy if you have mis-interpreted my statement.
>Please keep in mind, a Syrian is not going to bull doze you house and
>confiscate your land, the Israelis' will like they did in Palestine. Also
>strive to end all occupation, not just Syrian occupation.

Aziz, thank you for your explanation.

yet I would say, that many of Lebanese would be more friendly to Syrians and
Syria if were to see some good will  among the Syrians to wanting to recognise
Lebanon's independance and soverienty. You may want to refer to history and
here we can discuss and I disagree with much of your views (you surely do with
mine) yet there is a fact that Lebanon is an independant country and this
should be respected.

Israel's occupation of the South and its abuse of the Palestinians is no excuse
for the Syrians to occupy Lebanon or for them to feel like Lebanon is their
back yard where they can settle their differences with Arabs or Israelis!


You may belive in a greater Syria, I don't, but we should respect each other
and respect the choices that we have made.

By continously telling that Lebanon is part of "Greater Syria" and that it is
best for the Lebanese to join Syria or that Assad is our best deffender in the
Middle East, you are doing little to make Lebanese any more inclined to
befriend Syria.

respect is the word.


>Regards
>Aziz
>


elie wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil)
Subject: Re: an alternative to regain trust in Lebanon
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41A   
Organization: University of Houston-Downtown
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 14:33:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.131554.23157@ulrik.uio.no>, eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) writes...
>In article <1992Nov3.104040.25249@ulrik.uio.no> eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib
>Wardini) writes:

>>Plan to promote trust in Lebanon and to regain sovereignty:

>Talk reform, talk reconciliation talk ...... yes talk ............

>kaleem faaDe

  el kaleem mis^ faaDe, ya elii.  Bi kelme fiik tnaz-zel aw t-tayle@ dawle.

  Tawwel beelak.

>di@aanak ya Libneen, wlaa l-li ijo abilna wlaa niHna!

>nshalla wleedna?

  niHna, bi izn il-laah, niHna

>elie wardini

alex
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: The treaties.
Date: 11 Nov 92 05:30:29 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


From CLAO:

Michel Touma of L'Orient Le Jour said that at the end of this week or the 
beginning of next week a meeting of the so-called Lebanese-Syrian 
Higher Council will be held comprising members of the Hrawi
and Assad regimes to discuss the implementation of clauses in the
Brotherhood Treaty.

(This ought to be fun to watch)
From: masri@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: JOKES
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:50:29 GMT
Reply-To: masri@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University


It's been awhile since we saw any jokes here.  Does anyone have a good one?
If I did, I start off.....

Debbie Masri
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon