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From: eburke@phakt.usc.edu (Kethry)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Thank you and here's to you all...
Date: 30 Sep 1992 14:40:51 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Thanks to everyone who has inspried me to actually write down what I feel,
but most especially to Janis and Barclay for the inspiration to write a 
poem...I was feeling really upset about life and things in general after 
bombing a physics test, but here goes...

alone and distraught
dreary and tired
i walk through the maze of concrete stages
that surround me
going through the motions,
but losing the meanings

maybe by the wisp of a thought
maybe by the inability to go on,
i stop in the heat of the sun overhead,
and sink to the coolness of the shade of a tree.
blindly i sit and watch the clouds go by
i cry to myself and pour out my woes.

but then i feel a change, 
the earth comes alive
she cushions my descent
and supports me with her strength
and soaks up the tears that drop to her skin.

but then i feel a change
the sky comes alive
his feathery light touch carresses my arms
and enfolds me with his love
and dries up the tears which fall from my heart.

i can feel their love
i can see their strength
they give me life again
i open my eyes
and amazed i can see
and enjoyed i can feel the life around me

i look and see
a friend of the earth
a friend of the sky
a squirrel and a bird
they look in my eyes
and speak to my soul,
"you are never alone"

30 Sept 1992

Thank you all, and I hope that you enjoyed it....:)
Blessed be,
Kethry
eburke@huey.csun.edu
eburke@aludra.usc.edu
*****************************************************************************
The Earth is my Mother, the Sky, my Father.  Between them I live, forever I
love.......
From: radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (T. O. Radzykewycz)
Subject: Re: another poem
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley, CA, U.S.A.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:35:38 GMT

cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
> This is the whole baby-voiced, forced stuypidity,
> I'd-better-act-dumb-if-I-want-a-boyfriend, gigglegiggle
> mentality that I can't stand.  I'm not saying that those people
> have no right to existence -- just that being around them makes
> my lip curl because they grate on my nerves like a handful of
> fingernails on a mile long blackboard.

Janis, once again, you've said what I want to say, and said it
a lot better than I could ever do.  It sure is wonderful having
you around!

Blessings!

		-- radzy

------------------------------------------------------------
					|  An it harm none,
	T. O. Radzykewycz	     	|  do as ye will.
	The Incredible Radical Cabbage	|
					|  "Just pray for a
	radzy@cogsci.berkeley.edu       |  tough hide and a
	        			|  tender heart."
	        			|    -- Ruth Graham
------------------------------------------------------------
Tribal Mother was old, and lay ill on a bed of moss and
fern.   Her hair was long and grey.   Her face was very
wrinkled.    Tamura'nun-pa thought:   How beautiful you
are, Mother, so old and wise.
From: jmm25@po.CWRU.Edu (Jessica M. Mcgeary)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: another poem
Date: 1 Oct 1992 16:24:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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A teacher of mine asked me once, last year, if I ever wished I had been 
born a boy. She said she didn't know why she was asking me- (it was an
allgirlscatholichighschool)- only that I was the only person she'd ever
thought might have wished that. I think this is mainly because she knew
I wanted to be a priest (barring that, a Jedi Knight will do quite nicely-
and she knew about that too, but girls can be Jedi).
I just sort of stared at her. I had always figured, if people thought I
wasn't worth bothering with because I was a girl, their loss, not mine. So I
told her that when I'd heard the church only took men as priests, I'd asked
to convert, not to become a guy or wish that I had been born male. The only
time I'd ever wished, for real, to be male was when I found out that only
men play major league baseball, and women can't be on the Yankees... of
course, it helps to have a pitching arm, too! B-)
But I've always wondered about that. So many people talk about being made
to feel uncomfortable about their gender, I'm just wondering if I'm simply
going through life stomping all over everything and not noticing. My
boyfriend told me the other day that I was very much male- not physiologically!
B-) Just in the way I acted- I was forthright, I didn't try to hide my
opinions (this means I make loud obnoxious comments during Terminator 2),
I wouldn't let people push me around... is this normal? Not to notice
when people don't like you, or are unpleasant about you? I'm not planning
to change it, or anything, but is it something bad? Just curious.

-- 
Jessica McGeary
jmm25@po.cwru.edu
Case Western Reserve University
Remember! Arguments should be FUN!
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: a nice experience last night
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 2 Oct 92 06:19:22 GMT

ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:

>um, i think if we compared birthdates, janis would be a little
>sister, but that's cool.  i have a couple of littel sisters, always
>room for one more...

>birthdate 11/18/63 one somethign in the afternoon, wilmington
>delaware, aries rising, moon, mercury, venus, mars in sagittarius (a
>good chart for having a bad temper *grin*)

>so, what's everybody else's?  i'd been meaning to ask...

Well, hell -- everyone else is replying.  March 6, 1966 -- 4:18pm.  All
I know is that I'm Pisces, but I'm not an astrology believer.

Blessings,
Janis

P.S.: Last Sunday, I was at my TMM's mom's house, and the subject of an
infection I have came up (I'm doing ok -- taking Keflex for it, and no,
I'm not happy about it).  I mentioned that I'm something of a
hypochondriac, but unfortunately I'm also right usually.  She responded,
"Yes, you have a Virgo moon."  I asked her if she could please get my
moon the hell out fo Virgo since my hypochondrism is causing my a lot of
stress.  Unfortunately, she couldn't help out.  Poop.  Well, she
laughed.  

*rim shot*
From: bwhite@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (William E. White )
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Thunderstorms   (was: Re: Night and Winter)
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:25:51 GMT
Organization: O.U., Harvard on the Hocking, Berkeley in the Boondocks!

In article <2AD0E0AD.21246@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>In article <BvM9nK.4M6@ddsw1.mcs.com> karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) writes:
>>Lightning is one of those things you really can't protect well against.
>Yes, you can.  If an electrical storm comes up, GET OFF YOUR COMPUTER
>AND UNPLUG THE DAMNED THING.
>Just unplug everything you can.  Nothing is better protection than that.

Actually, I've always wondered if it wouldn't be feasible to place some
sort of "physical interrupter" in line off the main breaker box leading
to a satellite box, which fed all "sensitive" equipment.   The interrupter
I tend to imagine would be a lot like a big, motor/solenoid driven switch
which would break the circuit and insert a dielectric (or maybe two layers
of dielectric around a ground bar) ... sort of like (on one pole):

                                              ---
        ====== --- ======              ====== XXX ======
               XXX
           (switch on)                   (switch off)

The real questions are, 1) would this work, and 2) would it be realistic
from a cost point of view?  Obviously for installations with a lot of
equipment, some form of isolation system would be better (I knew one
person who used a motor and generator coupled with a fiberglass drive
shaft, but he lived in a very lightning prone area and probably owned
more computer equipment than Cray Inc. and the NSA combined).
But for the average homeowner who uses electronic equipment and can deal
with interruptions during electrical storms, this sure seems a lot more
convenient (and probably safer) than running around yanking plugs all
the time.

Comments?

>Blessings,
>Janis 


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From: ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley Sebastian Kaos)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Castrating Bitches (was Re: another poem)
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:27:30 GMT
Organization: Kaos Laboratories


Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik writes...

.....(good story and memories deleted for the sake of space).....

>>Janis the Castrating Bitch
> 
>And this is why I saved this part, and changed the subject line.  Any
>other women here, straight, lesbian or bi, actually *enjoy* being
>called a bitch now?  It may sound strange, but I do.  And I especially
>like being called a castrating bitch.  Bitches are women who won't
>take shit; bitches are women who don't fit into the male order, the
>patriarchal machine; bitches are women who have power.  
> 
>(Plus which, for a long long time, whenever I've been taken on any
>sort of power-animal visualization, it's always been either a dog or a
>wolf, usually the former.  And she's always female.)
> 
>So if someone (usually a man) calls me a bitch, I just look him in the
>eye and say, "Why thank you."  :)
> 
>Enough; I have to go tend my pup.  Thanks again, ladies, for sharing
>your stories and making me think about some things.
> 
>-- 
>-----Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik-------------------------------*<:-)-------------
>"Queens never make bargains."  -- The Red Queen, _Through the Looking Glass_
>-----amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu--------------The University of Texas @Austin---


My dear, it sound like you are one HELL of an Amazon. Has your coven, someone 
special or have YOU given yourself your Labrys (I've seen it spelled many 
ways) yet?!?!? I personally would not use the term bitch, that implies 
something sexually about teasing and using men to me and the use of that 
power rather than your personal power seems a little "off" to me. Then again 
some people don't know an Amazon is a warrior, not an insult to be thrown 
at tall girls in high school, it is a title to be EARNED and carried with 
PRIDE.......

	I gave my friend Pam her Labrys and confirmed her recently. The 
power running through her life right now is incredible. And although I did 
not get to put her through the ritual/tests I wanted to when I presented it 
to her, I can see now that the Goddess has presented her with tests far 
beyond what mortals such as I can!

		Hail to all thee, Amazons and warrior women!! I'm glad to 
see you out there!!!


			- Ashley


	"Stars in my eyes, stars on my face
	womb in the belly, capital place....

		The then shallow She 
		the earth as we know it
		the then hallow'd She
		a sky for the sacred"

					- Cocteau Twins
From: pkappess@erc.cat.syr.edu (Peter Kappesser)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: tarot decks
Keywords: tarot
Date: 27 Sep 92 08:46:30 GMT
Organization: Electronic Resource Center, Syracuse

In article <Bv2Jo2.1JF@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jonesrl2@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Richard Jones) writes:
>	I'm new here, and I was wondering if someone could help me out.  
>I am planning on buying a tarot deck, but I don't know which one I should
>get. [...]

Try to find a store that has a good display of tarot decks. The New Age
store in Syracuse has samples of each deck in a photo album, for example,
and when I was looking for a deck I leafed through until I found one whose
artwork appealed to me. (Strangely enough, I really didn't like the
Cat Tarot! :) Rider-Waite and Golden Dawn seemed to "severe" for my taste.

The decks I have now are Robin Wood's (my first) and Mary Hanson-Roberts.
Both have unique pictures for each card (no repetitious minor arcana like
the Golden Dawn deck). The artwork in each is quite graceful and lovely,
and can be admired on its own. (Robin Wood was selling the original artwork
for her deck... unfortunately my favorite, Strength, had already been sold.)

Blessed Be,
		-- PeterCat
From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Trad and Non-Trad in Seattle [Was:  Request for Info - Samhain]
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 10:14:11 EDT
Reply-To: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:

>  Well, you do realize that a large chunk of the leadership of these pu
> ritual groups is and has been gay, don't you? My old High Priest was a
> board member of ERCA, who did public full moons, before it broke up. I
> don't think there is a lack of questioning, I just think it is a non-i
> with most of us. Wicca works in a, basically, heterosexual framework
> (Duo-Theisistic witha God and Goddess, the Great Rite, etc) and everyo
> know who is Wiccan, even those that are gay, continue to work within t
> structure. We aren't Dianics with one feminine deity. The Diancs don't
> deal with anyone but their own around here. They have a very bad
> reputation as real pains in the ass in Seattle.
>
one odesn't have to be monotheistic to be dianic.  i have whole stables
of deities.

and this states quite nicely why i am not wiccan.  hetersosexual
imagery is all very nice, but it doesn't symbolize anything spiritual
or meaningful for ME.  heterosexual sex is like telephone poles.  it's
all very useful, and my world wouldn't work as well if it didn't
exist, but i don't need to symbolize it in my rituals, and it doesn't
excite me much.  the whole wiccan heterosexual dualistic pairing system
leaves me quite cold.  i have gods in my universe, but none of them are
lovers to any of the goddesses, at least not that I have to look at...
fathers and brothers are perfectly decent male roles as well...

one can see why they wouldn't deal with anyone but their own, if all
the other gay people are so assimilationist.  it is not a huge crime to
find heterosexual imagery boring.  there are a number of heterosexual
people here, janis for example.  wonderful peopel whom i love dearly.
but i don't have to find their sex lives fascinating to be fond of
them.  which is a roundabout way of saying that rejecting heterosexual
imagery is not the same as rejecting heterosexuals.

                                        -ailsa

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                    ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com
Desire.  The weight of.  The weight of our              ________
desire.  Then laugh, cry, but laugh             Silence \      / Action
more than you cry, and when you hold               =     \    /    =
the world in your hands, love Her.               Death    \  /    Life
                     - Alma Luz Villanueva                 \/


Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: kditto@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kimborly Ditto)
Subject: Re: Offerings...
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 03:40:26 GMT


Barclay's magnificient poem deleted (but saved) for bandwith...

I LIKE it!!!

I'm a redhead!! ;)

Blessings!
--Kim

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: kcater@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kenneth Cater)
Subject: Tarot Decks
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 22:26:16 GMT


I personally like the Old Path tarot deck, it fits me and my use, I
believe that deck should be chosen by the feeling you get from them.  I
have seen the Robin Wood deck, it has a nice feel, however Crowley's Deck
feels diffrent (not bad just diffrent, diffrent enough that I could not
use it).  

                            Bryan Cater
p.s. please reply to caterk@hamlet.uncg.edu NOT kcater@nyx.cs.du.edu
,
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Subject: Re: Witches and death
Organization: Cicely Public Access UNIX, Cicely, AK
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:53:17 GMT

For what it's worth, my gut reaction is that everybody recycles. Whether or 
not they reincarnate in some sort of organized fashion, I haven't worked out
yet. My husband is a Zen Buddhist, so we sometimes have interesting 
conversations about this. 

Personally, I have this lovely mental image of a goddess aspect pretty much
continuously in the act of giving birth, with all of us (plants, people, other
animals, planets) sort of dancing through the circle around her, and passing 
through her again when the time comes.

Just my two kopeks.

Marty

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"Another beer, and then he eyes                 marty@world.std.com
The barmaid's legs and waist and thighs.        Marty Hale-Evans
'Needs to lose some weight,' he grunts,         89 Mass. Ave., Suite 199
'But just the same, I'd fuck her once.'         Boston, MA  02115
He orders pizza, buys a round,              M    @    *    O    %    8    U
Gains an appetizing pound."                \|/  \|/  \|/  \|/  \|/  \|/  \|/
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From: radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (T. O. Radzykewycz)
Subject: Re: A little on self defense...
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley, CA, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:06:33 GMT


> >> ... the same types that attack women ...
> >> probable reaction to a woman pointing a gun at them is either "it ain't
> >> real", or "she hasn't got the guts to use it - she's only a girl"
> 
> >I get the impression you've never stared down the business end of a
> >handgun???

rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers) writes:
> Well, if anyone is in this situation, there's a simple way to rectify the
> misunderstanding. You have at least five shots. Use one of them.  That'll
> accomplish two things ... you'll get a lot of attention from neighbors,
> and you'll scare the bejeezus out of the interloper you're facing. Even
> if you're not explicitly targeting them.
> 
> Another hint : never, _never_ get within arm or foot range. If someone
> moves towards you, fire. Better them than you. That's why you got the
> gun, correct ?
> 
> Richard's rule : _never_ draw a weapon without using it.

Sounds like a good rule, to me!  In context, of course.  We wouldn't
want this to be the beginning of a legend like those of chrysknives
(spelling?) which have to be blooded every time they're drawn!

Good rule!

> How the heck did a bunch of peace-loving Druids get onto this topic ?
> Just curious. Tim, is this _your_ doing ?	(-;

Um, I hate to inject a note of violent reality into this comment, but
weren't the druids headhunters?  (Ref: _The_Life_And_Death_Of_A_Druid_
_Prince_ by Anne Ross and Don Robins.  If you have a problem with this
statement, please look up the source and attack *IT* instead of attacking
me.  And PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE change the subject line.)

BTW: I *was* one of the original posters on this thread.  But I haven't
posted too much about using a gun in self-defense.  My posting was on
using a gun SEFELY!

Oh, and Richard:  It's good to see you posting here!

Blessings!

		-- radzy

------------------------------------------------------------
					|  An it harm none,
	T. O. Radzykewycz	     	|  do as ye will.
	The Incredible Radical Cabbage	|
					|  "Just pray for a
	radzy@cogsci.berkeley.edu       |  tough hide and a
	        			|  tender heart."
	        			|    -- Ruth Graham
------------------------------------------------------------
Tribal Mother was old, and lay ill on a bed of moss and
fern.   Her hair was long and grey.   Her face was very
wrinkled.    Tamura'nun-pa thought:   How beautiful you
are, Mother, so old and wise.
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard)
Subject: Re: another poem
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 03:27:52 GMT

Janis, Ailsa, and Bekki Lyn:

Here's another one for y'all...

             Voices of a Good Girl
 
 
Sit up straight.
Comb your hair;
people will think you're an orphan.
Keep quiet.
Don't embarrass the family.
Don't tell them what you think of them;
they'll think you're crazy or bad.
Don't tell them what you think about anything else;
they will laugh at you
and make fun of you
and hurt you.
Don't tell them what annoys you,
like how loud they are;
you're not allowed
to be annoyed
with them.
 
When Mommy is mad at you,
you might later find out why
from one of them,
but never from her.
But you mustn't get angry with Mommy.
You must be nice to Mommy and
not walk all over her
the way you do.
Never mind how she treats you.
That's not her fault;
she's been through a lot.
What have you been through?
You're just a child,
and childhood is the best time of your life.
So just get used to it.
 
You can't explain to Mommy why you did what you did
that made her get upset
and tell Aunt Sissy who told Melanie who told you.
You can't tell Mommy that she said it was alright,
that she didn't seem to care when you did it,
that you can't read her mind.
You're supposed to read her mind
and just know what's alright to say
and what's alright to do.
 
You're not supposed to tell anyone
what you need
or how you feel.
That's bad.
You're supposed to quietly suffer the way Mommy does
and if they can't read your mind,
well, it's not your fault,
you were a good girl.
 
 
Barclay Blanchard
July 1, 1992


-- 
Barclay Elizabeth Blanchard    barclay@rail9000@gatech.edu
"I've been laughed at by some of the funniest people."
--Lissie, Alice Walker's _The Temple of My Familiar_
From: lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Trad and Non-Trad in Seattle [Was: Request for Info - Samhain]
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:52:58 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <10475@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> erik@cs.uq.oz.au writes:

>Does anyone know anything about the "radical faeries"? Someone told me
>yesterday it's a group of gay pagans or something. 

Gay pagans - yup. I seem to remember Starhawk mentions them in DtD.
They also come up in Budapests HBoWM as people guarding a dianic
circle against dickheads if memory serves.

I think that John Rowan mentions them in 'The Horned God'. Even if he
doesn't, I reccomend the book.

My (sourceless :) internal data-file turns up the following about the
radical faeries:

They are male gay pagans who integrate gayness and also campness into
their paganism which is the experiential/make it up kind rather than
the out-the-book kind. I think they were reclaiming the word faerie
from its gay derogatory connotations in the same way some people like
to reclaim the word witch.
File ends :)

>Maybe i should wander
>over to bit.listserv.gaynet and ask there too. So convenient, the '90's and
>computers and all. Just have to _use_ them...

Yup.


--
Chris Lilley
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