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From: cs108069@pandora.sdsu.edu (John DeRose)
Subject: Re: Advice needed for Extended Warranty
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:38:24 GMT

Patrick DON'T DO IT!  I've worked in retail audio sales for nearly eight
years and extended warranties have turned into a big bucks enterprise.
You'd be better off putting the money in an untouched bank account.  That's
what the Good Guys will do with your money!

If you're looking for top-notch service, before you through down your dough
you might want to give my friend Josh Luft a call at Water Street Stereo in
Santa Cruz (408-427-1604).  Call him (he used to work at the Good Guys, made
a lot of money!) tell him what model numbers you're interested in and the
price you got at the Good Guys.  Let him know I sent you.  It is their
policy to beat anyones' prices if they can and you'll get the most personal
service around should you need it.  They're really great, honest people
there and they'll make it worth your while.

Remember, extended warranties are a RIP OFF!  If you spend your money on a
high quality unit to begin with, any problems that are likely to occur will
be there right out of the box.

Good luck to you Patrick.  You could do me a large favor by letting me know
who is responsible for your company's internship program.  I've got to start
looking now for this summer.  Thanks, John DeRose  :-)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: stanwass@s.psych.uiuc.edu (S Wasserman)
Subject:  Re: D->A Converter Recommendation
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:21:49 GMT
Keywords:  Re: D->A Converter Recommendation

I just purchased a Threshold DAC 1/e.
I highly recommend it (price = $3000)

To my ears, it sounded much better than the
   Audio Research DAC 1 ---
   much less "cooked", and much cleaner
   sounding.

You might also consider the $4000 Theta DAC
   as well.

SW


Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Mike S.)
Subject: Re: HELP..Bandpass enclosure question..
Organization: BITS, St. Louis, MO
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 00:08:53 GMT



Quick question.  If you've got this:

>	Vent Freq = 63Hz

how do you calculate this:

>	port = 4" dia and 11.46" long

??

Mike
-- 
mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
From: eeh@gasco.uucp (Eric Hutchinson x1589)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Elect. Ground = Expensive cables?
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:50:51 GMT
Organization: Northwest Natural Gas, Portland, OR

In article <7490243@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers) writes:

> > 	Use a copper grounding spike for you house wiring instead of 
> > 	hooking up the the cold water pipes. The idea being that you will
> > 	isolate your wiring from the rest of the neighborhood - or 
> > 	something like that.
> 
> If you mean that you use a ground spike for grounding the neutral and safety
> grounds at the breaker box - surprise! That's usually the way it is on many
> homes already!  Grounding to the water pipes is electrically equivalent, 
> though, given good clean connections to copper, since you're just tying back
> to earth via the pipes.  

I'm definitely an electrical novice but in the house I just built the copper
pipe never touches the ground.  The service line coming into the house is
poly and joins with the copper in the crawl space.  Is it grounded somewhere
I can't see?  The electrical service/cable/phone are all using a spike next
to the garage.
From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Golden Ears?
Date: 13 Oct 92 08:57:34 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

In article <23862@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch) writes:
>In article <70930@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0869a@prism.gatech.EDU (WATERS,CLYDE GORDON) writes:
>>I have also read, and heard in an extremely limited number of 
>>experiences that the ear hears extremely low frequency tones differently 
>>in compression than rarefaction- one source called it a "rectification" 
>>effect.
>
>This, as far as it goes, it correct.  Inner hair cells fire
>on a positive-going half-cycle.  Now, only at very low frequencies
>will this direction have anything to do with the polarity
>of the excitation because most of the basilar membrane
>is driven by filter that is strongly band-pass.
>
>This, of course, can mean that the excitation can change due
>to polarity. It means that how it changes will be different
>for each and every one of us, though, making that observation
>somewhat useless.

Too strong a word, 'useless'.  (Oh, and by the way, wasn't me as was
describing the effect -- sounds too technical to be the sort of thing
I'd pontificate on.  May have been a misplaced attribution, though.)

Anyway, to my immediate argument -- yes, 'useless' in a general sense.
That is, speaker makers can't take advantage of it reliably to make
things better, and you can't say 'gosh, this works great, you should
try it too', because the other person's perception may be different.

However, 'useFUL' in a purely individual sense.  Try it in your very
own system, see if you can hear a difference, and if so, which way
around you prefer it.  Use whichever sounds best for you.  (That's what
the whole game is about.)  Just don't make the mistake of believing
that whatever works best for you works best for everybody.

-- 
Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
 P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: resou@darcy.mi.uib.no (Odd Arild Urtveit)
Subject: Re: Green Markers?
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 15:31:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.152655@usho21.hou281.chevron.com>, hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
> 
>   What's this about "green markers" and CD's?
> 
>   Okay, I'm a audio net newbie.
> 
>   I don't want to rehash something that sound's like it 
>   has be done to death.
> 
>   Could someone just reply/email a posted summary or ...?
> 
>   Thanks in advance.
> 
>   TRAVIS
>   hhtra@hou281.chevron.com

Read my article in rec.music.cd 'How to clean/fix/improve CDs'.  It's article #20631.  There I also tell a bit about 'CD Stoplight', one of those 'green markers'.  Someone will surely tell you that they don't work, but make up your own mind.  Try it.  It can make wonders to some CDs.
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: cs108069@pandora.sdsu.edu (DeRose)
Subject: Re: DAT Walkmans
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:53:44 GMT

If I remember correctly, the Sony TCD-D5 portable `DAT-Man' had a
list price of around $850.  A good retail story would sell it to 
you for $750-775.  And you're right, they're really cool!  :-)
From: vern@canopus.Kodak.COM (Mark Vernacotola )
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: D->A Converter Recommendation
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:57:57 GMT
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY


I am asking this question for a friend, so if my terminology isn't quite 
correct please excuse me.

Does any one have any recommendations for separate (outboard) D->A converters
with a maximum price range of ~$4000?  (i.e. Mark Levinson #30 -- except cheaper)

If any more information is needed, I would be happy to fill in the gaps.


	Any comments or replies would be greatly appreciated.

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: acgd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (andrew.charles)
Subject: Re: Vinyl source
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:27:30 GMT

In article <CB.92Oct6152827@tamarack13.timbuk> cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster) writes:
>I thank K.Y. Tan for his information about a source of LP records.  I
>have two suggestions:
>
> - Please post the same information to rec.music.classical, which might
>   be a more appropriate location.

Actually, rec.music.info is probably the most appropriate place. There
is a regularly updated "list of recorded music sources". See the
monthly (biweekly?) posted instructions on that group for details.

Also, since 50-60s jazz was mentioned in the original post, rec.music.bluenote
might also be appropriate.

> - Let's stop referring to LPs as "vinyl".  CDs are also vinyl.  LPs
>   were called LPs from the very beginning, and that term is still the
>   clearest.

CDs are polycarbonate, not vinyl. To me, "vinyl" covers LPs, 45s, EPs,
12" 45s, many 78s, 10" 33's etc. etc.

Andrew Charles
acgd@ihlpl.att.com

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: kester@mte.ncsu.edu (Dan Kester)
Subject: Re: Mail Order Places
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:07:13 GMT

In article <1bbigaINN15n@agate.berkeley.edu> kevinm@ocf.berkeley.edu (Kevin
Miller) writes:
>I thought I would take this opportunity to make a suggestion to the group
>regarding Mail Order recommendations.  When you recommend a Mail Order place,
>PLEASE include at least a phone number where the firm can be contacted.
>
>It's a real drag to hear someone praising the virtue of some Mail Order place,
>when they leave no indication of how to get in contact with them.



Most mail order places have 800 numbers.  These can be found by calling the 800
directory assistance: 1-800-555-1212 (also a free call).

Most posters who respond to a request for mail order places are probably at
work or school and don't have the phone numbers with them.
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Science versus TechnoBabble and Golden Ears
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:39:42 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1190775@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> kurts@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Kurt Strain) writes:
>
>I know your understanding of psychology and perception leaves more doubt
>about what your senses perceive than what science can predict.  A good
>example is the flight of the bumblebee.  To an untrained observer he 
>might actually think the bee flies, but the scientific proof  from well
>known aeronautic principles proves flawlessly that it in fact does not.
   
   I presume you can produce the "learned article" which makes such
   claims?  Or did you just hear this very popular (and untrue)
   urban myth from your local hi-fi dealer.

   C'mon Kurt, this one isn't up to your usual flights of fancy, if
   you'll forgive the term....

   Usually your postings have at least SOME warped relationship to
   audio....and a bit of entertainment value as well.   This one is
   really beneath you.   

   BTW, as I understand that urban myth, it wasn't an aeronautical
   scientist who said it....it was a student who computed that the
   bumblebee can't GLIDE with it's wings stationary.   
   And obviously you've missed all the scientific articles in
   Scientific American and Nature that use stop-motion photography
   and computer models of HOW bee's actually fly.

>I know when I have the opportunity to throw money away, my perception
>is even more flawed in favor of wanting it to be true in order to head for 
>bankruptcy.  This is a well understood psychological abnormality 
>afflicting all of those who partake in systems exceeding the cost of a
>Sony rack system.  I want to thank Lon for bringing this issue to light.

    Um, would the term "buzz off, Kurt" be offensive to anyone else?
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: alex@research.canon.oz.au (Alex Danilo)
Subject: Re: Very expensive cables
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 10:40:29 GMT

Oh dear, I shouldn't but ... The only reason for expensive (read thick) cable
is that it reduces resistance. Aplifiers used to have ratings of damping
factor, which is simply the ratio of amplifier output impedance to speaker
impedance. The higher the damping factor, the more 'control' the amplifier
has of speaker movement, i.e. overshoot from momentum & c. Usually low
damping factor leads to boomy/mushy bass. Since good amps have output
impedances of 0.08 ohms, or less, then cable runs can affect the damping
factor significantly. You also have the usual RC effects of resistance in the
cable. But really, a local HI-FI rag many years ago rated lots of cables, from
mains flex, to THICK gold plated (give me your watch) cable and found that
plain old mains cable performed nearly as well as the super expensive variety.
All you want is lots of conductor - so just avoid cheap figure-8 cable, use
15A mains cable as a neat substitute for that stuff that's just so hard to
solder into my cannon (STC) connectors!
From: hochberg@misty.boeing.com (michael hochberg)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: 6th Ave. mail order SUMMARY
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:47:02 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane BCS Support

The very best mail order stereo/video/stuff house I have found
is Crutchfield.  They are out of the East coast, Virginia  think.
Anyway, they have great service, $5 shis almost anything, I never
have waited more than 5 days to receive an order, etc.  They have
a 30 day money-back guarantee, and even have  toll free
technical support if you have trouble with installation or setup, etc.
They sell car stereo stuff too.

I cannot say enough good things about them.

They are not the cheapest, you will pay a littlr more, but they will
not rip you off. I use them for most of my purchases, but go elsewhere
for brands they do not carry.

CRUTCHFIELD

Mike
From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, really disgusted curmudgeon)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Science versus TechnoBabble and Golden Ears
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:22:15 GMT
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, really disgusted curmudgeon)
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <183892@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>   Where the nausea begins is when the subjectivists start
>   theorizing about the CAUSE of subtle differences and immediately
>   blow their credibility.  

Well, actually, I've gotten pretty deaf to that sort of thing.
My personal nausea-attack starts when people deny that double-blind
tests are necessary, when they confuse blind testing with time
requirements despite the decades of statements otherwise, when
they start to tell me "I don't want to know" because I want
to confirm what they say they hear, when they accuse me of
calling them a liar when I try to remove overt (let
alone subtle) influences on their perception, and so on.

This is part of why the US HAS no audio industry.

We need folks to start using science instead of their reproductive urge.

Phoey.
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From: nau@ssesco.com (William Nau)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Any Info on Kirksaeter Speakers?
Keywords: Kirksaeter Speakers
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:08:57 GMT
Organization: SSESCO

In article <1992Oct15.170914.4908@midway.uchicago.edu>, dwd@gsbsun.uchicago.edu (Doug Diamond ) writes:
|>  I received a strong recomendation from Amerisound, a Florida mailorder
|> company, for Kirksaeter 123 speakers from Germany.  I have not heard of
|> them and wonder if any information is available.  Amerisound seems to 
|> import them directly from Germany, and offers them on a satisfaction
|> or your money back basis.
|> 
Does money back include shipping?  Theirs and yours.  That no risk deal
could cost $50+ by the time it's over.
From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Stereo Review (was Re: Very expensive cables)
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:46:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23855
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch)
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <1992Oct9.142750.4093@ncsu.edu> kester@mte.ncsu.edu (Dan Kester) writes:
>I also see many posts saying that anyone who buys cable other than what can be
>found in a hardware store is a complete idiot.  I have asked before, and ask
>again:  Have these people even bothered to try to hear for themselves if
>different cables sound different????  If, after doing serious auditioning, they
>fail to hear differences, fine.  But don't go around spouting conclusions about
>what can or cannot be heard, that are not based on anything other than first
>semester EE courses!
Here we go again.  

Either those of us who are unbelievers are 
1) Inexperienced
2) Deliberately Inexperienced
or
(this one is coming up next article from someone, I'm sure)
3) Deaf

I've done some cable work. What does it get me?  This kind
of abuse.  Come on, Dan, you can do better than that, you
haven't even made me part of a conspiracy yet.

Dan, you've ignored the answers, given before, entirely. 
You've been around long enough to see them time and again.
Your question is utterly rhetorical and intended only to make emotional
points in the emotional argument, not to comment on the
actual issues.  Why not take it to rec.rhetoric, which should
exist if it doesn't. Then again, if it doesn't take it
there anyhow.
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From: shli@pollux.usc.edu (Shih-Hao Li)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: BOSE Lifestyle music system
Date: 15 Oct 1992 21:41:13 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

Does anyone have experiences in BOSE Lifestyle music system?
It costs around $1700, is that worthy to buy?

Thanks for all the information.....

SH.
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: rpt@edscom.demon.co.uk (Richard Tomlinson)
Subject: Re: Very expensive cables
Organization: EDS-Scicon, Milton Keynes, UK
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:14:33 GMT

In article <183869@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.114152.25877@edscom.demon.co.uk> rpt@edscom.demon.co.uk (Richard Tomlinson) writes:
>>My turn to throw some more petrol on the fire...
>
>   And absolutely no enlightenment whatsoever.
>
>   Perhaps you slept thru human history and missed the part where
>   philosophers sat around and theorized about "what if's" and
>   performed all sorts of mental gymnastics to determine the nature
>   of nature by power of reason alone.
>
[more rantings deleted]

Is it really necessary to be so rude about my posting? All I did was pose
a question - some people have very politely explained that any effects would
be negligible. With your attitude to scientific debate, I'm surprised anything
ever gets developed. Presumably you are a George Bush supporter.

I suggest that all followups to this article are sent to /dev/null, or
alternatively you could mail direct to lstowell.

-- 
Richard Tomlinson, EDS Scicon, Wavendon Tower, Milton Keynes, UK MK17 8LX
rpt@edscom.demon.co.uk   Tel:  +44 908 284539          Amateur radio: G4TGJ
All opinions expressed are mine, and are not necessarily those of my employer.
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: pinch@cs.washington.edu (Ricardo Pincheira)
Subject: Hughes SRS experiences?
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 18:56:41 GMT

I am considering the purchase of one of the Hughes "SRS" units, probably
the AK-100.  Has anyone had experience with these particular units?  Do they
genuinly add a lot of ambiance and listening enjoyment to recordings?
I tend to favor jazzy stuff and perhaps chamber (classical) music.
My present setup, which incidentally is just plain stereo albeit with 4
speakers (including 2 "high ambiance" bose 601's) has quite nice definition,
ambiance, and "depth" from a good recording, but most recordings
are *so* bad and *so* fake that I would like to do something about them.

Thanks very much.

Ricardo
pinch@cs.washington.edu
From: myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:50:15 GMT
Subject: Re: optical vs. coax digital interconnects
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.audio

> I have noticed that in my fiber optic ethernet network whenever the fiber
> was bent or twisted inadvertantly, the display on my network connected
> Xterminal would appear "squished" and the rendered fonts would not be as
> crisp as they are when the fiber is undisturbed, so I would assume that the
> same thing would happen to the digital audio data coming out of a CD player
> and going to an external D/A converter connected by fiber, but manifesting
> itself as a decrease in auditory definition.

I do not see a smiley here, so I am forced to ask - are you serious?  Do you
really think that bending the LAN cable will affect the appearance of the
display?


(Actually, I may be in the process of being royally had, here, but he sounds
so damn serious and I've seen sillier things proposed here in the wacky world
of wreck.audio!)


Bob Myers  KC0EW   Hewlett-Packard Co.      |Opinions expressed here are not
                   User Interface Tech. Div.|those of my employer or any other
myers@fc.hp.com    Fort Collins, Colorado   |sentient life-form on this planet.
From: cdg@sei.cmu.edu (Craig Gary)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Sony ES Amplifier
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:02:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: sei.1992Oct14.190240.4825
Organization: Software Engineering Institute


	For Sale:  Sony TAN77-ES Stereo Power Amplifier
		   1.5 years old. Perfect condition.
		   Paid $1200 + tax, and I've never seen one on sale.
		   
		   $625

		   Features:  
 	 
		   Spontaneous Twin Drive power supply
		   Discrete output transistors 
		   Sony G-Chassis construction
	           Fixed and variable inputs
		   Two protection circuits
		   Peak level power meters
		   Parallel A and B speaker terminals

		   Continuous RMS power :  270 + 270 watts into 4 ohms
					   at 0.006% THD
					   200 + 200 watts into 8 ohms
					   at 0.004% THD

		   Mono Operation       :  580 watts into 8 ohms 
					   at 0.007% THD 

		   Dynamic Power        :  800 watts     2 ohms
					   520 watts     4 ohms
					   300 watts     8 ohms

		   Dynamic Headroom(IHF):  2.8dB     4 ohms
					   1.8dB     8 ohms
						


		   Weight     		:  55 lbs.

	
	Please respond via email or call 412-486-9056 after 6 p.m.
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: saarelai@messi.uku.fi (Jussi Saarelainen)
Subject: Questions about MiniDisk system
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:25:46 GMT
Organization: University of Kuopio, Finland

Does anyone have some kind of answers for the following questions ?:

How good is the sound quality ?
What is the price of an average player/recorder ?
Price of blank disks ?


Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: yk7m@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Young-Kuk Kim)
Subject: Audio Alchemy DDEv1.0 for sale
Originator: yk7m@acacia.cs.Virginia.EDU
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:28:19 GMT


Audio Alchemy DDEv1.0 for sale
------------------------------
Asking $245 (matching ClearStream Digital Cable $25)
Original Price was $400+$59=$459 plus tax.
One year old. Immaculate condition.
Five year transferable warranty.

If you are interested in it, please contact me by email.

-- Young-kuk Kim (yk7m@virginia.edu)
From: ark@alice.att.com (Andrew Koenig)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Stereo Review (was Re: Very expensive cables)
Date: 10 Oct 92 14:17:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23856
Reply-To: ark@alice.UUCP ()
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ

In article <1992Oct9.220222.9693@fid.morgan.com> sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:

> Why hasn't anybody been able to distinguish different interconnects
> (or green markers, or cryogenic cd's) in a double-blind test?

The standard answer is that something about double-blind tests allows
the gold to drain out of the golden ears.
-- 
				--Andrew Koenig
				  ark@europa.att.com