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From: sysop@elan.glassboro.edu (Ken Denton (Supervisor))
Subject: Re: Police bike/cruiser safety (was: Perot's proposed gas tax)
Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:42:13 GMT

In article <2803@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> joe@woody.mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner) writes:
>From: joe@woody.mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner)
>Subject: Re: Police bike/cruiser safety (was: Perot's proposed gas tax)
>Date: 6 Nov 92 17:07:35 GMT
>]It may also be that police motorcycles are generally not used in
>]hazardous situations in which a car would be safer, e.g., high-speed
>]pursuit.  I suspect that once a cruiser arrived on the scene of a
>]chase, the motorcycle would be called off for the safety of the
>]officer.  In other words, cruisers may see more hazardous duty than
>]motorcycles.
>
>no way! Ponch and John were always leading the chase for the bad guys
>when I watched them on TV!!! pretty cool how people on the freeway
>would slow down to < 20mph when they were after some crook. LA must
>be a really nice place to live and drive with all those friendly people :-)
>
>-- 
>Joe Senner                                          joe@rider.cactus.org
>Tandem Computers Inc.                               joe@mpd.tandem.com

	And it was awful nice of them to stagger themselves so Ponch and
	John could weave through lanes in the chase.  Such consideration!
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: mikesteg@syclone.detroit.sgi.com (Mike Stegbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Braking distances.
Date: 13 Nov 92 20:22:04 GMT
Reply-To: mikesteg@syclone.detroit.sgi.com (Mike Stegbauer)
Organization: sgi

In article <BxK2EL.7vr@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:
|> 
|> In article <1992Nov11.074721.2136@nntp.hut.fi> jaa@hutcs.cs.hut.fi (Jari Alasuvanto) writes:
|> >
|> >Elementary physics (not counting the time to react):
|> >		     2	
|> >	umgs = 1/2 mv
|> >		where 
|> >			u is the coefficient for friction (depends on
|> >			the road surface, tires etc. but not on the tire
|> >			size (directly). Typically around 0.3 (dry road,
|> >			good tires)
|> >			m is the weight of the car
|> 
|> M is the MASS of the car. ;-)
|> 
|> [Analysis omitted.]
|> 
|> >	So that breaking distance is dependent on the square of the
|> >	speed and the friction between tires only.  So that if you are
|> >	going 100 km/h (about 60 mph), the breaking distance is about
|> >	131 m ( about 430 ft).
|> 
|> Then perhaps you can explain to me why a Mazda RX-7 can stop in only 119
|> feet from 60 MPH?

The aluminum brake pedal ?  Aquatreds ?

1) better tires (have better coff. of friction)  Hell, you gotta get something for 30k
2) better brakes ( get closer to lockup, more reliably)
3) It don't


|> Also, if I'm not mistaken, is not the process of
|> "braking" merely the conversion of the vehicle's kinetic energy (ke =
|> 1/2mv**2) into heat energy via the brake pads? If so, then your
|> assertion that m, the mass of the car, doesn't factor into braking
|> distances is clearly untrue. If mass had no effect, then a 12 ton semi
|> could stop on a dime just as a little British sports car can.
|> 
Yes and no, the mass works on both sides, it takes longer to stop a greater
weight (mass), but the greater mass allows more stopping power.

See the m on both sides of the equation ?
From: pst@cisco.com (Paul Traina)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Paying a Reasonable Price for Gas
Date: 7 Nov 92 09:50:10
Organization: cisco Systems, Menlo Park, California
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In-reply-to: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu's message of Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:28:56 GMT

On Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:28:56 GMT, rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) said:
Billy-Bob> lets see...what country had to get involved to win both WWI
           ^^^^
Billy-Bob> and WWII...hmm..  oh yea....it was USA!!!  you see, i too am
					     ^the              I
Billy-Bob> sick of everyone putting the USA down, we are the greatest
                                                .
Billy-Bob> country on earth and do more than our fare share for the
Billy-Bob> world!			         ^^^^

We produce more semi-literate monoglots who can't write in their
native tounge than any other nation in the world.

Could someone pass me a potatoe?
--
"My secret fantasy is to be mauled by Republicans.  I nearly went wild
 watching them in Houston, screaming until they were blue in the face.
 It must be the same appeal that the SS had.  Those guys were hot.
 Under those bow ties, there's a raging sexual elephant." -- Ann Magnuson
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: jbn@photon.com (Joe Naiman)
Subject: Nolo Press (was: Fighting Tickets)
Organization: Photon Research Associates, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:29:43 GMT


A few weeks ago I inquired about the address of Nolo Press, publishers
of "Fight Your Ticket".

Thanks to a couple of readers who were able to provide me with a phone
number, I was able to obtain a catalog from Nolo Press, which includes
their address.

Nolo Press' address is 950 Parker Street, Berkeley, CA 94710.  The 5th
Edition (California) sells for $18.95.

Joe Naiman

Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: tflynn@encore.com (Tonya Flynn)
Subject: Re: Quick Poll
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:31:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.143126.16998@osf.org> kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup) writes:
>Quick poll- how many of you out there turn off *everything* in your car
>(radio, heater fan, etc.) before you shut the engine off?
>
>More importantly, why?
>

Yes--I'm one of those who usually turns EVERYTHING off before the I
shut the engine off.  I don't know why anymore--perhaps habit.
   
At one time I had an old VW that, if you left the radio on, it drained the
battery.  I must have come out to a dead car a hundred times.  Fortunately
I just parked on a hill and popped the clutch to get it started.  My--
those were the days.  

I think I was also told in my early formative driving days
I was told by my parents or owners manuals or at least by someone
who oughta' know that it was easier on the engine/battery to
start it without having any extra loads on the system.  If you didn't
shut everything down before you left the car, chances are you would forget
the next time you or someone else got in the car to go and would try to
start the engine with excessive loads.  I don't know, it made sense at
the time and I probably do it now out of habit.  Certainly can't hurt to
shut everything off and a so-so battery might not have enough juice left
to start the car with the air-conditioner, radio, etc. on the load.

I don't really know.  I do a lot of things for no particular reason at all.

                                           |
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: deanb@pecan10.cray.com (Dean Barker)
Subject: Re: How To Drive the RIGHT way!
Originator: deanb@pecan10
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 12 Nov 92 09:30:13 CST


In article <Zyg4TB4w164w@cellar.org>, blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed) writes:
> 
>                    High Speed driving Tips, by Dan Reed
>                                  (Humor)

			My Comments (Serious)

[...]

> 5. If a cop has pulled over someone on the side of the road, slam on your
>    brakes, and slow down to a craw when you go past -
>  
>   Who got pulled over!  Everyone has got to know!  Never pass a cop
> giving out a ticket when speeding.  After all, he could drop whatever
> paperwork he is doing, forget all about the person he just pulled over,
> and come after YOU!  Play it safe, on a 55Mph road, pass the cop at
> 40Mph.

If a cop has somebody pulled over to the side of the road I will change lanes
so as to not pass real close to them. If this is not possible I WILL slow down.
I know cops have been referred to as "pigs" several times on this newsgroup,
but they are human beings and I am not going to blow past them at 55 MPH passing
within a foot of where they are standing. It's just plain courtesy.

>  
> 6. Ignore all construction signs -
>  
>   If the sign says "Lane Ends-Merge Right 1 Mile", just stay in the left
> lane.  There are always some saps that will let you in at the last
> minute.  After all, THEY are the ones the make the traffic jam, by
> thinking ahead, and getting into that right lane.

If traffic is moving along at a sensible pace, then ya, sure moving out of
the closing lane early is the correct thing to do. But if traffic is already
slowed to a crawl (< 20 MPH or so) then merging early does not make sense.

Example: I am cruising along in the right lane, traffic starts slowing down
ahead of me, I change to the left lane and start passing the cars that are 
slowing down in the right lane. Then I get to the first indication of road
construction...left lane closes 1 mile ahead. Now, what should I do? (1) Stop
1 mile short of the lane closure and wait for somebody to let me in? or (2) drive
the 1 mile and then wait for somebody to let me in? Remember, if everybody
chose (2) then a 1 mile 2 lane backup would turn into a 2 mile 1 lane backup,
and the people 2 miles back would not know what the problem is.

[...]

>  
> Happy motoring.

The rest of the post is pretty funny!

-Dean
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Subject: Re: LIDAR demo on Discovery Channel
Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:37:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.163440.27700@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> whs70@dancer.cc.bellcore.com (sohl,william h) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.030343.2658@pony.Ingres.COM> kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn) writes:
>If the only evidence of the speeding charge is the cops observation of
>the car "nosediving" I'd expect anyone with a reasonable effort should
>be able to have that charge dismissed and/or found not quilty.  There
>has to be more evidence than just the fact that a a driver applied his
>brakes to sustain a guilty conviction for speedin (exceeding a certain
>posted limit).  If (I think it was Vermont that this supposedly
>happened in) the speed limit was 55 or 65, how does the cop know
>what speed the vehicle was going at when the brakes were applied.

	It was Idaho. The cop said he could tell my friend was speeding
	because he seemed to be moving faster than other traffic.

>Guilt by assuming that the driver wouldn't have hit his brakes unless
>he was speeding is not (IMHO) sufficent to sustain a conviction.
			^^^^^^
	Your humble opinion was not the court judge.

>Likewise, I have never seen anyone convicted of speeding without
>some actual speed identified on the traffic ticket.  Now I'm
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	Happened to me once too. On my motorcycle, the cop didn't like
	the looks of me or my friend (who was holding his arms out on
	either side like wings) so he charged me with reckless driving and
	speeding with no indication of speed or how he knew on the ticket.
	The speeding stuck.

>not saying someone might not have had this happen to them, what I am
>saying is that I think I'd be able to get the charge dismissed  or found
>not guilty because the state has not proven it's case beyond a reasonable

	Hey, Mr. Smokey-the-bear-fucking-pig said so, so it must be true. :-(

>doubt.

>Bill Sohl (K2UNK) BELLCORE (Bell Communications Research, Inc.)

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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: aefron@cornerstone.com (Andrew Efron)
Subject: Re: Paying a Reasonable Price for Gas
Followup-To: rec.autos.driving
Reply-To: aefron@cornerstone.com (Andrew Efron)
Organization: Cornerstone Research, Cambridge, Mass.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:21:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.211812.16727@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, 
mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman) writes:

> No..the Japeneese guy wasn't right about the USA...he is a damn 
> LOOSER. If you do some research
  ^^^^^^^
[some stuff deleted]

> Just remember, the USA is the greatest country in the UNIVERSE..and we
> are the leaders of the universe!
> 

I'm glad you didn't say we were the leader in education, because you don't 
know how to spell JAPANESE or LOSER.

How ironic.

> 
> --
>  Marshal Perlman <> Florida Institute of Technology <> (407) 768-8000 x 8435
>                  Private Pilot - Airplane Single-Engine Land

Andy



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"I have seen the truth and it makes no sense."
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: maciuca@vehicle.Berkeley.EDU (Dragos Maciuca)
Subject: Re: Flashing Headlights
Reply-To: maciuca@vehicle.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (Dragos Maciuca)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:02:00 GMT

>Around here, I have found that momentarily dropping (i.e., turning off)
>the headlights generally gets a less hostile response than flashing
>high-beams.  It *could* be interpreted as a "slow down" warning to the
>traffic in the other direction, but folks doing that kind of signal
>usually repeat it several times, while I only do it once from a
>distance, and again if necessary once I have closed with the other
>car.

However, truckers interpert that as: "It's Ok to get in front of me."  It
would be scarey to have a truck with the left signal on in the right lane and
a slow car in front of you while you drop the headlights.  (Just a remark).

dragos
From: blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Potential Ka band false alarms
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:43:49 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) writes:

> In article <1RZPTB4w164w@cellar.org> blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed) writes:
> >
> >So have I.  I use a Cobra Trapshooter 3.  I *had* a Trapshooter 2.  It seems
> >wherever the Trapshooter 2 falsed, the 3 claims is Ka.  Go figgure.  Only ha
> >the Ka go off once (full blast), down in Maryland..
> >
> >Speedin in NJ.
> 
> Interesting.  MD isn't supposed to have photo-radar.
> 

I know, thats what got me (or didn't get me..).  It might have been an odd 
blast of interf. but it was a *big* blast.  Still, never the less, its the 
only time it (the Ka Trapshoter 3) went off on Ka full tilt.

--
Dan Reed AKA Blu Max - blu@cellar.org - AnalCADGeek! - Industrial Music Maker
    68' Cougar XR-7, 89' VW Golf, 74' Honda CL360t, Vextrex Unit Lover
-Legal in California only for racing use, never to be used on a highway.-
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: shultz_ed@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: Re: How To Drive the RIGHT way!
Organization: Motorola, Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:51:51 GMT

In article <Zyg4TB4w164w@cellar.org> blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed) writes:
>
>                   High Speed driving Tips, by Dan Reed
>                                 (Humor)

EXCELLENT!!!

However, I have a corollary to rule #1 "Don't ever use turn signals".  There
are two cases where you may use turn signals.  1.  AFTER you have entered a
turn lane.  or 2.  AFTER you are at least half way between lanes when changing
lanes.  In both of these cases, you do not convey any extra information to
other drivers that they may use to figure out what the F*** you are trying to
do until it is obvious to everyone!

-Ed S.
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Paying a Reasonable Price for Gas
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:55:41 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <1992Nov11.041127.692@r-node.gts.org> tex@r-node.gts.org (Terence Dulay) writes:
>The USA "ain't" so wonderful, then again, neither is Canada, nor Germany for
>that matter.   Sometimes you're so caught up in your patriotism that you fail
>to realize just how inferior your system really is compared to other nations.
>Gee, if your military can't even get your closest neighbour and biggest trade
>partner's flag right (Canada) at an internationally-shown event like the World
>Series, I wonder why FIFA and the IOC awarded you people the World Cup of 
>Soccer and the 1996 Olympics, when you'll have to figure out several other
>flags as well ;-)
>on
>this planet, and your system is not the only system, nor is it the best one.
>[all flames from patriotic Americans wanting to put down Canada and Europe 
>will be ignored]

Let's see, I am patriotic, I'm not American (yet :-)), and think that we 
should not, if all else fails, attack the individual. Did Canadians find
lots of patriotism and nationalism after their recent World Series 
Victory?	

Canadians complaining about their own economy/situation and then flocking
by bus to Buffalo, NY or Detroit, MI to buy stuff (imported anyway) to 
avoid paying the sales tax is not all that patriotic either, is it? So
let us not blame one or the other side. 

I am European by birth (Greek, close enough :-)) and think the policy
of Europe (stiff car drivers till it hurts, and THEN some) sucks.
One issue never mentioned from anyone supporting Europe's gas cost
is this: why the hell do I have to keep paying tolls (which if memory
serves right were pretty serious money, not $0.25) and STILL pay
$4 a gallon? Let's face it, gas in Europe did not cost $4.00 a gallon
for ever; some enterprising bureaucrat realized that people would and
could PAY MORE and MORE, so they kept rising the price. People kept
paying of course. Anyway. 

As for confusing flags, i got a better story. Back in the 70's, the
national soccer team of China came to play an exhibition game against
the national soccer team of Greece. As it is customary, they play the
national anthems of both countries and people salute the flags. Well,
someone had the bright idea to play an audio commercial over the
PA system (much like a radio commercial) for a toothpaste. The 
commercial started with some serious music, and of course the Chinese
thought it was our anthem, we thought it was their anthem, and we
all saluted in pride as a "Colgate Toothpaste" ad came thru...

Chill out, guys. And remember, it's not how much they tax gas. It's
what they do with the money they get.

Spiros
-- 
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Software Technology, Delco Electronics       striantafyll@kosds1.gm.hac.com
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Quick Poll
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:50:22 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Nov6.143126.16998@osf.org> kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup) writes:
>Quick poll- how many of you out there turn off *everything* in your car
>(radio, heater fan, etc.) before you shut the engine off?

I used to do it in my old Dodge Aspen because if I tried to START with
those things on, it just wouldn't work.  With my new car (battery
dead?  Put it in 2nd and shift your weight until it starts.... all
right, not that easy :-) ), I don't bother.

-- 
Matthew T. Russotto	russotto@eng.umd.edu	russotto@wam.umd.edu
Some news readers expect "Disclaimer:" here.
Just say NO to police searches and seizures.  Make them use force.
(not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice)
From: pr@last.pubs.stratus.com (Paul Ryan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Chains
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:51:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: transfer.7924

Hi,

I need advice on chains for my 5.0 Mustang. They should be easy to put  
on/take off because I'll usually just need them to get up my side street.  
Email ok.

Thanks,

Paul
From: nflack@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Nigel R Flack)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Collegiate Driving Challenge
Date: 9 Nov 92 05:40:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Sorry, but I just have to disagree about the Collegiate Driving Challenge.

Here at the University of Pennsylvania, we got to drive it on a
*relatively* small course.  The Probe GT was a stick, although they
did have an auto. Escort GT and Mustang GT.  Then again, there was a 
stick SHO, but only Bob Bondurant got to drive that.  I think they were
worried about the torque steer and it's size.

Yes, the helmets were kind of a pain, but hey, it wasn't that bad.  When
I was there, I was one of 8 students hanging around, and I drove the
Probe around the circuit about 50 times.  (Got old after a while, but
it was a timed run, and so always something to practice.)

I guess I got about 20-30 min. in the Probe. (Serious!!)

My guess is that apparently the cars vary/organizers vary at each location.
There were *no* Ford folks around, just a bunch of SAE and SCCA enthusiasts.
Although it wasn't that much fun, there certainly was no rev limiter, we
could do what we wanted with the shifter etc.

And BTW, since one of the SCCA guys had a nice new black RX-7, the only
people admiring the Probe were the ones actually driving it.  Otherwise, the
RX-7 got the attention.  

That said, I was impressed with the Probe.  Don't go expecting some magical
driving experience, but if you haven't driven in a while (just a lowly
student - no wheels) I'd say it's worth it.  

Nigel Flack.
University of Pennsylvania.
From: jaa@hutcs.cs.hut.fi (Jari Alasuvanto)
Subject: Re: Braking distances.
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 07:06:20 GMT

Sorry, in a message I posted earlier I stated that the coefficient for 
friction is around 0.3 for dry road and good tires.  That was an error:
it is 0.8 for most cars - for some cars and conditions it may be even a
little better than that.  For gravel road the coefficient is around 0.5
- 0.6 and for snow 0.2.  The general rule is that the slicker the
conditions are the more effect tires have on the value.   (Compare slick
racing tires and spiked tires when driving on ice).

For braking distances, remember always to count the time between seeing
something and having the brakes working with full strength. That time
frame is SURPRISINGLY LARGE (1 second is an excellent time - brain delay
+ nervous system delay + leg movement + brake delay 0.2 .. 0.3 seconds
each) )  - during that one second interval  a car moves:
speed (m/s)     km/h    mph     meter   ft
10              36      22      10      32
13.4            48      30      13.4    43
etc.
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