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From: fgn@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (frank.g.neves)
Subject: Re: BOB BACKLUND IS BACK!!!!
Summary: Howdy Doody Returns
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:36:01 GMT

In article <mjenkins.717528493@cunews>, carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
> It was announced on today's Wrestling Challenge that Bob Backlund will
> be returning to the federation.
> 
> They showed clips from his title reign, including the post-match
> celebration from his title win over Superstar Graham.
> 
> In an interview, they named him as a former WWF champion, and he said
> that he's returning to once again become the champion.
> 
> Some analysis: 
> 
> 1) The fact that the WWF is now admitting he's a former champion, as
> well as showing clips of his old matches means they're now admitting
> to an era pre-Hogan. Good for them. Backlund was and is a great
> *wrestler*, no gimmicks, no flash, but a very good performer in the
> ring.
> 
> 2) Maybe Hogan really isn't coming back after all. And if the trend
> now is towards smaller non-juiced wrestlers, Bob can actually make
> this comeback work.
> 
> 3) On a personal note, I'm absolutely thrilled to see his return. He
> got the ultimate job from Vince back in 1984. And if Vince was smart,
> Backlund would get a HUGE push and be put in a program against Flair
> for the title. Now THAT would be a good Wrestlemania 9 main event!
> Flair vs. Backlund at MSG for the WWF title.
> 
I was surprised to suddenly see Bob Backlund after such a long absence.
He was good in his day, there's no denying that.  I saw him go against
Stan Hansen in MSG years ago in a cage match.

I just wish he'd buy a new suit already! Sheesh -- with that dumb vest
and his shirt collar all over the place, it looks like he's still living
in the disco era...

Frank
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From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Center Stage comments
Date: 27 Sep 92 11:28:00 GMT
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Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

AP>>   Actually, I'm wondering if Gordy & Williams are gonna stick around.  May
  >>   it was just too expensive for Watts.

AP>I always thought they were loyal company men to Watts from the UWF days. Gue
  >times have changed.

Well, they make the lion's share of their income working for All Japan.
All Japan has two big tours coming up, so Doc and Gordy will be there.
There are only a few weeks off in between, so Doc and Gordy really
could not be here to defend the starps that much.
---
 . SLMR 2.0 . A Friend in need is a pain in the neck.
From: v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Prime Time Debut: The Kiss of Death
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:16:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <16054@mindlink.bc.ca>, Steve_Hooper@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Hooper) writes...
>> Eric M Chmiel writes:
>>
>> If you don't believe me, talk to Steve Regal, Scott Hall (although he was
>> redeemed several years later as Razor Ramon), DJ Peterson, the
>> Headshrinkers,
> 
> 
>Are you saying Scott Hall was in the Whiff before?
> 
>When, and as what?
> 


   He showed up as himself...just "Scott Hall".  Then he briefly went to the
NWA to become (attention Keirn) the "Alligator Trapper" from the evergalades,
Scott Hall.

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Eric M. Chmiel*************************************
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From: dauria@csa.bu.edu (David DAuria)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: WWF Prime Time Wrestling - 28/9/92
Keywords: 2 hours of WWF in 4 pages or less
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:40:57 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <BvEFK7.FHs@acsu.buffalo.edu> v124jw4y@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Benjamin R Pierce) writes:
>BTW, I haven't had the chance to see him wrestle yet--can anybody tell me how
>he measures up to other wrestlers height-wise?  He was fairly short when I knew
>him...if we can just get a shot of him standing next to one of their "6'8" 
>titans, and he even comes close, then I'll finally have proof that either:
>a. McMahon exaggerates the height of his wrestlers just a TEEEEENY bit.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>or, 
>b. DeVito has gotten elevator shoes. :)
>
>
>
>
>                                                                --Ben

Well I think we already know that McMahon ups the heights and weights.
Don't forget that once Buster Douglas was a ref in a match between Hogan
and Savage.  The thing that I noticed was the the 6'4" Douglas was noticably
taller than Savage and just slightly shorter than Hogan.(Shouldn't Hogan be
noticably taller at 6'8"?  and isn't Savage supposed to be 6'1"?  He certainly
didn't look it)

David D'Auria
dauria@csa.bu.edu
From: rtcst3+@pitt.edu (Robert   T Conticello)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: "Nature Boy" Steve Austin
Date: 27 Sep 92 04:35:19 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


   Let me be the first to put two and two together.  Steve Austin said in
 an interview that he was going to undergo a metamorphisis to become world
 champion and wrestler of the '90's.  Tony Schiavone mentioned in a TV plug
 for the Ross Report on the Wrestling Hotline a new "Nature Boy" in WCW.
 I'm gonna guess this means a "Nature Boy" gimmick for Stunning Steve.

   It was also good to see Dustin do another job, this time for Jake Roberts.
 I guess this means that Dustin Rhodes & Barry Windham winning the tag team
 titles was "a reward for jobs well done".

   Finally, the top rope rule has been rescinded except for coming down on
 a prone opponent with a knee to the head or throat.  It seems to me that
 this will somehow come into play in the Rude-Chono match at Halloween Havoc
 since they showed a clip of Rude doing this maneuver and it was previously
 mentioned that he won all his matches in the NWA tourney using this tactic.

   WCW Saturday Night has been pretty good lately.  Its good that they now
 have more than one non-squash match in the show.

-Rob Conticello
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From: kipilman@cats.ucsc.edu (Lou Kipilman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re:  Scott Steiner New WCW TV Champ
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:18:45 GMT
Organization: Team Slack
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In article <Bvnuqu.C69@askinc.ask.COM> robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen) writes:
>Plus, the Steiners have wrestled faces before without turning--remember
>the near-classic versus Sting/Luger (which was brilliant until the 
>Dicks [er, Hardliners]) hit the ring? 

Are you referring to the SuperBrawl I match? Nikita Koloff rushed to the
ring with his Russian chain, with the intent of hitting Luger. Sting
shoved Luger out of the way, got smacked with the chain, then proceded
to brawl with Nikita out to the parking lot. Hardliners weren't even
around then, I think.

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From: Mark Byrne <M.Byrne@compserv.utas.edu.au>
Subject: JellyMANIA - Ooohh what a GUSH!!!!!
X-Xxdate: Thu, 1 Oct 92 16:37:03 GMT
Organization: Uni. of Tasmania at Launceston
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 00:35:35 GMT

Last Night at the Uni Dome in Launceston, Tasmania - AUSTRALIA, the world
was allowed to witness JELLYMANIA III 

It was sticky, gross, slimey and in some cases very, very sexy

5 World titles where decided via ELIMINATION tournaments

Mens Tag Team Title Match
    Trans Fist Fights defeated  the Bob Marley Love Childs in a very
quick paced match.  The Transfistfights looked resplendant in their
lovely evening gowns, while the B.M.L.C's had their dreadlocks blowing in
the wind.
There were no rest holds, lots of all ins' and high risk manouvers ( the
flying cross body from the top hay bale by the Transfistfights being a
hightlight ).
It was a match where the JELLY (JELLO) really flew.
Rating ***+  3.5/5

Ladies Tag Team Title Match
    "Vanessa the Undresser" and "Your Worst Nightmare" defeated "The
Orgasms" in what could be described as one of the SEXIEST romps seen by
this reporter in JELLY for many a Year...... The pace was HOT and so
where the participants (IMHO). Bribes where offered to the Referee (
Yours Truely ) that would make a pervert BLUSH!!! ..... But OH WHAT A
MATCH-UP........Truley the match of the NIGHT
Rating ***** ( plus *** for the ladies ) 8/5

The other matches included Mixed TAG, Ladies Singles and the MAIN
EVENT.......the Mens Title Match ( due to injury I retired
undefeated....as I could not enter ), but defending the honour of Larry
O'Dea and R.S.P-W. was.........
             Leaping Laurie8.... Direct from Melbourne via sleepy HOBART. 
 He was a MONSTER HEEL.... and the crowd HATED him and his POETRY.  He
bribed the Ref, exited the ring when the the going got tough only to
blindside his OPPONENT. But unfortunatly for George (LAURIE8), his foe
was the eventual winner of JELLYMANIA the PILLAGING PIRATE Number 2. But
credit where credit is due LAURIE8 did it with style......He had an
ambition to make the crowd hate him......and He did it.......took some
good bumps too. 

More details will follow when they are cleared.


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   "Through Muck and Slush, Mud and Mush, the CHAMPION will fight on" 
                          The GROSS GLADIATOR, 1992  
               Former World Jelly Wrestling Champion.               
======================================================================
                       
Mark Byrne
Email :- M.Byrne@compserv.utas.edu.au
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From: ad749@yfn.ysu.edu (Rob Bakos)
Subject: Re: Scott Steiner wins TV title
Reply-To: ad749@yfn.ysu.edu (Rob Bakos)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 16:30:52 GMT


In a previous article, Andy@birdland.UUCP (Andy Patrizio) says:

>Word on GEnie is that Scott Steiner has won the TV title from Steamboat,
>and Rick Steiner is out with a shoulder injury.
>
>Another heal turn from a popular face... hmmm. Guess Watts is trying to
>break everyone.
>

Maybe he's going to shoot for the 'brother vs. brother' angle?
You know, the one where Rick comes out when Scott 'bends the rules'
and says 'What the hell is wrong with you', etc, etc...



Rob
-- 
"In order to win, you must cheat. If you lose; hell, start a fight!"
                                      -- Dan Cortez MTV Sports
From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Crush vs. ?
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:42:56 GMT
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              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1apgikINN4dp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bi011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill King) writes:


+>Just out of curioisity, with all of these references to Hawaii with
+>Crush, with Perfect saying things like "Well, there are a lot of good
+>wrestlers from there" and so on, is there any one "from" there [ie: billed
+>from there that he could challenge and THEN glide into a tag team with 
+>Animal? It just seems pointless to keep mentioning Hawaii if all they
+>are gonna do is team him with Animal? I mean, are they setting up a
+>feud between Crush and Magnificent Muraco or somethin'? What's up with
+>that? Just a thought....

	Well, there is supposedly a set of samoans (the old SST?) waiting 
around to enter the WWF last time I heard.  They could be getting ready 
to set up some sort of pacific feud.

	Then again, the Hawaii stuff could just be invented filler because
the writers finally figured out that the "ya'no, ever since I was a 
little kid I liked to crush things" was running out of steam.
From: bi011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill King)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: [WCW] Watts up Doc?
Date: 28 Sep 1992 18:18:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bi011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill King)
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In a previous article, ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com (Otto Heuer #3) says:

>Eric Watts will make his pro-wrestling debut on October 17, 1992
>in St. Paul, Minnesota.  
>Anyone going?
>		--Otto "Cactus Hack" Heuer

You mean his pro debut in Minnesota. He wrestled on the WCW card here
in Philadelphia Sept. 20 or so. Not that impressive...
Bill

-- 
Hey, hey champ, was she a "whoo"?  No, she was a "WHOOOOOO!" --Ric Flair
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From: fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Fipp)
Subject: Ric Flair as a face
Keywords: Nikita was a face in 1985
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:03:34 GMT

  People were taling about Flair facing Nikita in 1985 as a heel/heel
match.  Wasn't that the time when Nikita turned good in light of Magnum TA's
accident.  I seem to recall Starcade 1985 being the Night of the Skywalker's,
with Flair going against a good Nikita, who recently formed the Superpowers
with Dusty Rhodes.

  Also, I forgot to mention on my Wrestling Challenge update, but they did a
segment on Bob Backlund.  They showed him with the world title.  Also showed
him rollingup some guy for the pin.  He said he was 43 years old and wants to
win the world title again.  Looks like a George Foreman angle.
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Subject: Re: boot loading and the barbarian
From: west@uncavx.unca.edu
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:34:41 -0500
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
Nntp-Posting-User: reynolds


In article <1992Sep27.031308.2023@news.nd.edu>, ckennedy@sleepy.helios.nd.edu (chris kennedy) writes:
> Did any one fail to notice that just before the barbarian kicked Ron Simmins
> in the head that he tapped the toe of his boot on the mat.  Since this seems 
> to be the international symbol for this is a loaded boot which I am activating
> now any guesses on how the feud will play out.  My personal was that Ron 
> would get the old boot to the head, Barry (I've fallen for this three times 
> in three weeks) Windham will challenge, figure out the secret of the boot, 
> win, reign for a while, and pass the strap to either Rude or Austin for a 
> unification.  Now that I've gone out on a limb, it seems that there have been 
> loaded boots in the past, does anyone remember how that terribly fiendish bit
> of chicanery is usually overcome?
> 
> chris


Geez, this brings back memories.  Does anybody remember the Masked Infernos
and their loaded boots?  They, too, tapped them on the mat, and then the 
slightest touch of the boot would send opponents over the rope.  (This was
back in the good old days of Mid-Atlantic).  As I recall, they were in
a match with Ricky Steamboat and Jay Youngblood, when Youngblood finally
got the boot off Inferno # 2 and nailed # 1 with it.  # 1 fell over and
juiced like a bad day at the blood bank, and S & Y took the belts.

This was a long time ago.  Does anybody have clearer memories of this?

Mark West  WEST@UNCA.EDU   !!It's Vader Time!!
From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: WCW question [Hey Sean - Hit "N"]
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:34:57 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

wrdj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:

>In article <1992Oct01.223642.5836@CS.ORST.EDU>,
>foleye@CS.ORST.EDU (Stilt Man) writes: 
>> In article <BvF87z.8rs@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston) writes:
>>>wrdj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>>>
>>>>Not getting WCW on television, and having not been on this network
>>>>from April until a few weeks ago, I missed the removal of Kip Frey
>>>>and the induction of Bill Watts. I've read the network, in the hopes
>>>>of finding out the reason for this [after all, don't want to clog
>>>>up the network with bandwidth-wasting, "newbie" questions that might
>>>>cause Mr. Ryan intestinal cramps], but have seen nothing, beyond
>>>
>> 
>> Anyone who is going to continue, it should be known that there IS, in fact,
>> a newsgroup called alt.flame.sean-ryan, so if you really want to do so move it
>> there, please.

>Awfully nice advice, folks, but how about answering my question?

Excellent advice, IMHO.  But for the question...

From what I've read in this newsgroup, I have concluded that
Frey was just a businessman put in charge to fill the position.
Watts apparently gained the position by relying on his credentials,
ie he has been involved with pro-wrestling for a long time, and
has been a promoter in the past.  I don't recall any mention of
Frey being fired, I think he was just given some other job.  To
summarize, I don't think that there is any really interesting
story connected with the change.  Watts was apparently brought in
for his experience, and unfortunately to cut costs.

Tom
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From: 11mwarner@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: Re: Ulimate Warrior's Offensive Moves
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:32:31 GMT


> After watching Summer Slam last night at the local pub
> I am impressed with the improvement in the Ultimate Warriors repertoire
> of moves.

Impressed???  ;-)
> 
> He now has 16 distinctive moves that he made in his match with Savage. (
> Offensive moves....no repeats....)
> 
> The question I pose to  all readers of R.S.P-W is 
> 
> What are those 16 different moves ?

Umm, I'll take a stab....

 1.  Running into the ring.
 2.  Jumping on the second rope in all four corners so the marks can cheer.
 3.  Grabbing the rope in an up-and-down motion (If Stromer is still here,
     hush!)  :-)
 4.  Raising his arms up and down like he's lifting something.
 5.  Beating his chest.
 6.  Staring at his opponent for an eternity.
 7.  Breathing real heavy at said opponent (he's winded from all the pre-match
     crap)
 8.  Lockup (by now, 5 minutes have passed)
 9.  Shoulderblock
10.  Clothesline
11.  Gorilla press
12.  Splash
13.  Pin
14.  Screaming unintelligibly
15.  Pointing to the sky about 100 times
16.  (only if he has one)  Hugging the belt like a lover.

Hey, what do ya know?  I did it!  ;-)

						PSYCHO

11MWARNER@gallua.gallaudet.edu
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From: yonatan@csri.toronto.edu (Gary Will)
Subject: Re: Two Questions
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:56:44 GMT

mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
>I've noticed that the NWA tag record from the 70s is spotty as well.
>Any reason for this? Were promoters in some sort of title anarchy?
 
There wasn't really any such unique thing as "NWA tag titles" in the
70s.  The title we now have came from the Mid-Atlantic region, but there
were also recognized "NWA World Tag Team titles" in San Francisco,
Detroit, and probably other areas as well.  It was only after Jim
Crockett took control of the NWA that his titles became THE NWA titles.
 
The histories of most regional titles in the 70s and earlier are not
generally well-known.  Most promoters never bothered to keep records,
and fans who kept track of such things came and went.  There are a lot
of people with incomplete records, and as far as I know, Royal Duncan
was the first person to try to get everyone's records together for one
definitive list, and we're still a long way from "definitive".
 
--Gary Will
From: ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com (Otto Heuer #3)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: [WCW] Light Heavies
Date: 27 Sep 92 02:21:00 GMT
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Posted-Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 21: 21:00 -0500
Received-Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 21: 20:18 CDT


Haven't seen anything in this group about it yet, so I'll just
go ahead an post.  The Light Heavyweight tourney won't be held 
until 1993 (according to Watts this weekend).  This may be due
to not being able to get Benoit in (as someone else posted) as
early as they had hoped.

Bill DID update the top-rope rule (which a week or two ago he
said would go away for the Lightweights when the tourney was
held) to include EVERYONE.  The only DQ for off-the-top rope
is when wrestler A comes off the top rope, wrestler B is prone
on the mat, and A hits B in the head or neck with his knee.

Nice to have that cleared up, eh?  :-)

		--Otto "too bad my dad doesn't promote pro-
		        wrestling or I could go straight to
		        the top" Heuer
From: TAB129@psuvm.psu.edu (Todd Bobenrieth)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Al Perez
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:35:35 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Everyone knows what happened to him, he became what you know today as...
THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR!!!! :-)
From: fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Fipp)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Wrestling Challenge
Keywords: Update
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:57:31 GMT
Organization: Purdue University


  Opening shot of Bobby Heenan and Gorilla Monsoon, Heenan has a sign as he
is campaigning for President.

  New begining.  The last clip of LOD is replaced by Razor Ramon doing his
finisher.  They didn't have the sounds of hits (drums and those effects) though,
just music.


  Bret Hart wrestled first.  Won with Sharp shooter.  In interview he talked
about Papa Shango.


  Update:  Talked about Savage/Ramon/Ulitimate Warrior/Flair feud.

  Repo Man wrestled.  Only good move was when the jobber was on the apron 
outside the ring and Repo yanked his feet out from under him.  Repo won with
a half Boston crab.

  Tatanka wrestled the Brooklyn Brawler.  Won with his firemen's carry slam.

  Advertised Survivor Series.  Showed clip of Flair being sole survivor last
year after most of the poeple on both teams got dq'd.

  Razor Ramon wrestled.  Heenan decalred that his finisher was "the Razor's
Edge."

  El Matador versus Kamala.  Mostly Tito trying to knock Kamala off his feet, 
and Tito avoiding Kamala.  Kamala got in a kick to the throat.  Was going to
do splash when Paul Bearer showed up at ringside with a coffin.  Kamal got
scraed and ran away (actually looked funny as Kamala fell over trying to stop
in his tracks).  Tito wins by countout.

  Money Inc. wrestles.  Wins when IRS pins the guy after a flying clothesline.
More number one contender controversy.


  Ended with an interview by Davey Boy Smith.  I didn't pay too much attention,
but he did mention his match with Bret Hart at S Slam.  Did he say he was
fighting anyone?

 Next week:  Announcement of main event at Survivor Series.
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