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From: solodov@monterey1.cs.wisc.edu (Mikhail V. Solodov)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: WC Qual. Groups (Europe)
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:21:55 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <1993Jan7.202521.11419@bmers145.bnr.ca> passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier) writes:
>In article <01GPZW1L2G9E9OEC4R@vaxc.hofstra.edu>,
>ACCGAT@vaxc.hofstra.edu (Garen Tchopourian) writes:
>|>
>|>Hey guys,
>|>
>|>  In case if you are interested in who's on top of their groups here is a
>|>break_down :
>|>
>|>  Group1       Group2        Group3        Group4        Group5       Group6
>|>  ======       ======        ======        ======        ======       ======
>|>1-Switzerl.    Norway        Ireland       Belgium       Greece      
>Bulgaria
>|>2-Portugal     Poland        Lithuania     Romania       Hungary      Sweden
>|>3-Italy        England       N. Ireland    Wales         Russia       France
>|>4-Scotland     Turkey        Spain         Czechosol.    Iceland      Israel
>|>5-Malta        Netherland    Denmark       Cyprus        Luxembourg   Austria
>|>6-Estonia      San Marino    Latvia        Faroe Isl.                 Finland
>|>                             Albania
>|>			     
>|>  I'd like to see some of your predictions on who's gonna come 1st and 2nd in
>|>their groups. I'll post mine soon. 
>|>
>
     Italy        Netherlands   Spain         Belgium       Russia       Sweden
     Scotland     Norway        Denmark       Czech         Hungary      France

     Michael.
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From: skip@sloth.nrl.navy.mil (Skip Kovacs)
Subject: Re: US Soccer News (help developing hi-level play in kids)
Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:21:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.175201.24194@sequent.com> jwk@sequent.com (John "F.  
Leghorn" Kramer) writes:
> In article <1993Jan5.173920.3327@wam.umd.edu> waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David  
Akkarach) writes:
> >In article <1993Jan5.163708.4298@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus  
Lindroos INF) writes:
> >up soccer and instead only play when the game is organised; goals with nets
> >and coaches around. If they want to develop better players with vision and
> >tactical awareness, then these players must play the game in a more free(er)
> >environment, without the structured rules and coaching. That's why these
> >days when you watch a college match it seems that there's robots running
> >around and making predictable passes and shots.
> 
> Indeed. Some of the finest skills you'll ever see are to be found on the
> beaches of Rio. I wonder if American coaches are too locked into a play-
> book mentality, which is fine for GridIron but hardly suitable for a
> free-flowing (hopefully) game like Football.

I agree, with both the accessment of "sandlot" play in S.Am, and of U.S.  
coaches, (please don't say "American", there ARE alot of non-US Americans). My  
problem is how to develop the players.  Most US coaches don't know, and the  
USSF coaching courses, at least to the "D" level don't cover coaching strategic  
movement.  (At all!  The classes still are worrying completely about coaching  
3v3, 2v2, 1v1 and how to build better drills for these, purely tactical levels  
of play and movement).  I'm an assistant coach of a local U-13 select team of  
really smart, talented players, (3 have probably made the state ODP team, 3  
more could have if they'd tried out; half the team are in the local middle  
school "scholars" programs (top 1-2% of their academic class)...I could go on  
and on (proud dad & coach :-)).  

Anyway, the kids are ready for more complex, strategic play.  They overlap and  
exchange at the drop of a hat, but it's all tactical (e.g., aimed at getting  
open for a pass), not strategic (e.g., moving to draw other players out of  
position so a teammate can break free down the opposite side).  How do you  
coach that?  I'm in the middle of the indoor season here (6v6 games) where  
numerous restarts provide opportunities for small sided restarts that can  
perhaps teach this, and I've developed some plays with this in mind.  But it  
really seems against the spirit of the game.  Or is that what you have to do?   
Let the kids see strategic movement work in the set pieces, and then develop  
the game related movement on their own once they get the concept from that?

If this seems like a good new thread please keep your comments public.  Thanks.

skip kovacs
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From: phil@smtl.demon.co.uk (Phil Loveless)
Subject: More money than sense
Organization: Surgical Materials Testing Laboratory
Apparently-To: mail2news@news.demon.co.uk
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:32:06 +0000

I see Celtic have let Martin Hayes go on a free transfer to Swansea
after paying 650,000 for him from the Arsenal. Was he that bad or have
Celtic more money than sense?

BTW another well know player will be plying his trade in Wales. i.e 
Kevin Ratcliff (ex Everton and Wales skipper) has signed to play for
Cardiff City on a Pay as you Play basis. Kevin is only 32, but a
veteran of more than 350 league games for Everton and capped 58 times
by Wales, an excellent signing for Cardiff but I can't help wondering
why he's not playing in a higher division or for that matter Everton,
judging by their appaling defensive record this term they could do
with him. Still I'm not complaining I'm sure he will set the mighty
blues on the path to their rightful position in the PREMIER LEAGUE! 

The blues are going up!!

Damn-I've just woken up, I was dreaming about the premier
league......!

Regards

Phil.
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From: cjones@dbaccess.com (Carl Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: kick back to the keeper
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:53:24 GMT
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The NCAA rules for 1992 did not include the pass-back rule.
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From: 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za
Subject: Les Ferdinand, dont ruin career.
Organization: Wits University
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 23:05:47 RSA

Graeme Souness wants to buy Les Ferdinand now and sell 4 of his players
that he himself bought. Beware, Les, Satan himself is offering an
apple to you. Dont forget what happened to Adam ! The Negative power
is always there to deceive us, but the positive will always reign
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From: math1pu@rosie.uh.edu (Douglas Y. Luo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: SUGGESTION FOR WORLD CUP GAMES ENDING IN TIES
Date: 9 Jan 1993 17:04 CST
Organization: University of Houston
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In article <1993Jan9.211750.2805@dragon.acadiau.ca>, 900707h@dragon.acadiau.ca (Swarajsingh Horree) writes...
>074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za writes:
> 
>>In article <1993Jan9.014529.21612@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>
>>rgj0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (RICHARD G. JOHNSTON) writes:
>> 
>>>The penalty kick procedure used to end tie games during the World Cup is, in
>>>my opinion, a poor solution to the problem...........
..........................................................................
>> 
>>A most brilliant suggestion !!!!
>>'-----------------------------------------------------------------------'
> 
> What if the game is still tied till only the two goalkeepers are
> left on the field?

Then let them box.

Seriously, I would like to see some change on this myself. Johnston's
idea is good, but not complete. Even if it were, it is unlikely that FIFA
will listen to this. What do you all think?

Doug Luo

SOMETIMES I THINK I LEARN MORE IF I CLOSE ALL MY BOOKS.


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From: andy@rocky.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: Re: US vs England in Boston area
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:10:46 GMT

Unfortunately the deal that the USSF struck with Sports Channel gives
Sports Channel first dibs on broadcasting US games played in the US.

Of course this doesn't prohibit ESPN from buying the rights to one or more
games.

Andy

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From: andries@slc10 (Marc Andries)
Subject: Re: WC Qualifier Result Wanted (Cyp v Bel)
Summary: Date Confusion
Organization: Department Of Mathematics and Computer Science
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 09:05:10 GMT

rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
>gibson@crisium.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson) writes:
>
>>I've been out of touch with r.s.s. for a while ... could someone fill me in on
>>the result of the Cyprus-Belgium WC94 qualifier held, supposedly, on the 2nd?
>>Thanks in advance ...
>
>The game has, to the best of my knowledge, not been played. I don't why, nor
>do I have any idea when it's going to be played.

This confusion is due to a typo in some american Soccer Magazine.
The match is (and has always been) scheduled for February 14th.

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From: major@shuksan (Mike Schmitt)
Subject: Re: kick back to the keeper
Organization: Man Machine Systems Technology
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:44:20 GMT

: Can anyone explain how this backpass rule works? What's the penalty?
: Thanks.

  Carefull, using the term "backpass".  It's not just pass back to the keeper.
  It's pass TO the keeper.  If a goalkeeper's teammate DELIBERATLY kicks the
  ball to his keeper WITH HIS FEET, the goalkeeper is not allowed to play
  the ball WITH HIS HANDS.  If he does use his hands, the penalty is to award
  an indirect free kick to the opponents at the spot of the foul.  

  Therefore, if the ball is given to the keeper by a throw-in, or a header
  then it's permissible for the keeper to pick the ball up.  Or - if a defender
  trying to clear the ball wanks it off his foot and it spins back to the
  keeper - the keeper can pick it up (not 'deliberate').

  Players can not resort to 'trickery' to circumvent the law.  The result is
  a Caution and an indirect free kick.


 
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From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,spider.rec.fitba
Subject: Rangers Match Report
Date: 5 Jan 93 09:47:43 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND.

Played on Saturday 26th December

Dundee    1   Rangers  3

Stainrod 56   McCoist 7
              Hateley 48, 65

Att. 13,400

A belated report but it was a good way to spend Boxing Day avenging the only
defeat of the season and indeed the only away defeat in 1992. A festive mood
was in evidence at Dens with the `conga' and `hokey cokey' being performed.

Rangers took control of this game straight away and scored from a good move
between Elvis and Fergie which resulted in a cross for SAlly who doesn't
(often) miss from three yards out. It could have been four after about
twenty minutes but Jim Leighton kept goal superbly and allowed Dundee a
chance to recover and eventually get a couple of shots at Goram. The second
half started again with a goal and this time Hateley rose above two defenders
to power a header over Leighton from a Robertson cross, a great goal. Dundee
pulled one back when a corner went in off Stainrod's hand, which he later
admitted to but obviously not at the time. Rangers however, regained their
two goal lead but at a price. A free kick was awarded outside the box for a
late tackle on McCoist who was on his way to the showers at the time. The
Dundee wall refused to retreat the ten yards so Hateley didn't bother waiting
and slotted the ball past Leighton. A good result and a good performance from
the team with Fergie, McCall and Steven looking good.

Rangers:
Goram, Pressley, Robertson, Gough, McPherson, Fergie, Steven, McCall, McCoist
(Mikhailichenko), Hateley, Durrant

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From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Proposal for League in USA & CDN
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:24:47 GMT
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
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In <1993Jan11.010901.22923@news.vanderbilt.edu> LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu writes:

> Why do people seem to think that Atlanta is the ONLY city in the South???
> It seems to me that Chattanooga would be a better place, because there is a
> great deal of local support for soccer (unlike Atlanta where NO soccer news
> ever even reaches the paper) and can draw from Atlanta, Knoxville, Nashville,
> and Birmingham.  Or else Nashville, if being IN a big city (as opposed to
> simply drawing from four of them) is a necessity.

Chris and I agreed to concentrate mostly on "mega markets" having a huge
population with a couple of medium-size cities [Minneapolis/St.Paul, Seattle,
Tampa Bay, Vancouver, Portland] with proven fan support dating back to the
NASL years. Memphis did have a NASL team from 1978 to 1980 but, like all other
markets in the <1 million range (except Tulsa), failed to support the
franchise.
---
The main problem is a lack of resources (money, fans, native players) so we
decided to try to make the league as appealing to corporate sponsors and
television as possible by concentrating on the mainstream sports markets and
where soccer has been a success before.
History suggests that small cities do not respond well to soccer - yet!! As
soon as the new league is firmly established (might take twenty years or so),
the Deep South could well become the lifeblood of the league. The cities you
mention have tried to obtain NFL franchises without success and most likely
will never get any professional sports teams. Utah, San Antonio, Sacramento and
Orlando had no teams before the National Basketball Association stepped
in. "We" could do the same thing in Tennessee as soon as the locals have got
used to the sport and the league and believe both are "for real."   

MARCU$ 
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From: CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: US vs England in Boston area
Date: 11 Jan 1993 20:17:42 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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 >....Sports Channel and PRIME....

Did any of you folks see the news story last weekend that SC and PRIME ill
will *merge* and call it PRIME Sports Channel? Apparently, they will
actually have *two* channels, with one for live action and the other
for "feature" and/or magazine shows.

I saw this in the TV sports column in the Atlanta Constitution, but have not
seen other information on this. Can anyone confirm?

Chris

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From: mppu3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Conor McMenamin)
Subject: Re: Proud to be a Man Utd fan
Organization: University of Sussex
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:06:34 GMT

074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za wrote:
[Boring boring boring and deleted....]
: Also, United did not commit major crimes like the scum Liverpool.
[Offensive, ignorant and crass views deleted....]

	Welcome to the killfile, arsehole.
Conor
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From: andy@rocky.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: Re: US vs England in Boston area
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:10:57 GMT

Christopher S. Allen (CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu) wrote:
:  >....Sports Channel and PRIME....
: 
: Did any of you folks see the news story last weekend that SC and PRIME ill
: will *merge* and call it PRIME Sports Channel? Apparently, they will
: actually have *two* channels, with one for live action and the other
: for "feature" and/or magazine shows.
: 
: I saw this in the TV sports column in the Atlanta Constitution, but have not
: seen other information on this. Can anyone confirm?
: 
: Chris
: 

Yup, this is true although I not sure who it affects. It doesn't change 
anything in the Boston area.  We will still watch Prime through NESN and
SportsChannel will also be on I guess for news.  What I don't know is
when this will occur.  I think this will be good for soccer.

Andy
From: cs92aja@cen.ex.ac.uk (A.J.Amsel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: SUGGESTION FOR WORLD CUP GAMES ENDING IN TIES
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:19:53 GMT
	<16B51AFEF.074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za>
	<1993Jan9.211750.2805@dragon.acadiau.ca>
Organization: Computer Unit. - University of Exeter. UK

In article <1993Jan9.211750.2805@dragon.acadiau.ca> 900707h@dragon.acadiau.ca (Swarajsingh Horree) writes:

   >>The penalty kick procedure used to end tie games during the World Cup is, in
   >>my opinion, a poor solution to the problem. Here is my alternative to breaking
			ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC

>    What if the game is still tied till only the two goalkeepers are
>    left on the field?

>    *************
>    Swaraj Horree
>    Acadia U
>    nova Scotia
>    Canada

Well we have a lot of fun watching them siking each other out !

Good idea though, and it would make good tv which should appeal
to those idiots running the game these days.

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From: melcat@leland.Stanford.EDU (Melind Joseph John)
Subject: Re: US Soccer News
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 07:52:49 GMT

Recent postings regarding the viability of training the 94 US national 
team have mentioned the need for a national league.  This brings me 
to my thought/observation.

What is the best solution to establishing soccer teams in the US?  When
I hear the term "national league" I envision something akin to the NASL, 
a large league in which the teams really do not have any substantial tie
to the community in which they play.  To me, at least, this does not appear
to be a profitable solution.

Instead, it seems to me that a better solution would be the establishment
of several regional leagues.  The US is too big a domain for one league-
the travel costs are just too high, especially since soccer, as of yet, 
does not generate sufficient attendance to pay for this.

Out west, we used to have a regional league.  I do not remember the name of
it, but one (if not the only) surviving member is the Bay Area Blackhawks, 
who still play in the current national league.  The original league was
a semi-professional- only the top-caliber players were paid- and since
all the teams were on the west coast, travel costs were low.  I cannot
speak for all the teams, but the Bay Area team did do its part to create
ties with the community and as a result received a moderate amount of fan 
support.  This league peaked at about 9-10 members, at which point it merged
with an East Coast league (the new American Soccer League) and proceeded
to shrink to its current six(?) team size.

My thought is this:  would it not be best to establish several regional 
leagues.  This would 1) minimize expenses and 2) help to create a tie 
with the community.  Perhaps the winners of the leagues could meet in some
sort of US Championship (a la EC 1).

To sum up:  my logic is this-  the US is roughly the size of Europe.  If 
Europe can sustain several leagues, why can't the US?  To make a league
that lasts, we should start small and let it grow naturally.  In other
words, not be in a hurry to have a NATIONAL league (the European leagues
did not spring up overnight, did they?)

Melind Joseph John
Stanford University
Junior-Political Science
From: kgamble@OES.ORST.EDU (Kevin Gamble)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Carolina's Womens Roster
Date: 12 Jan 1993 15:58:42 GMT
Organization: Oregon Extension Service, Oregon State University, Corvallis, Or.
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	I'm in need of a copy of the UNC women's roster. I thought
	I had  kept one, but when looking through the file last night
	I couldn't locate it. Any help is appreciated.

	Also, I had promised to post the UVA, NCSU, SMU, Davidson
	and Duke rosters. I only got the UVA roster done. I'm
	publically promising to post those rosters this week.
	Sorry for the delay.

	Kevin Gamble (kgamble@ces.ncsu.edu)
From: grc@stl.stc.co.uk (Gary Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Just another example of the 'fabulous' English
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:34:39
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In-reply-to: bronstri@fwi.uva.nl's message of Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:25:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.102553.9177@fwi.uva.nl> bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring) writes:

>
>   You'll all now the result (2-2) by now. Just another example of what the
>   English premier league means... Bolton TWO (!!!) divisions lower than 
>   Liverpool, one of the so-called 'top-teams' in England. What a joke! 
>   That kind of results can only be true in England. Liverpool, IF it were the
>   top-team it pretends to be, should have easily CRUSHED Bolton, just by the
>

Well, Liverpool are pretty bad at the moment, ( just ask out BELOVED ).
I was suprised they came back from 2-0 down looking at the way they 
played. The FA Cup, however, has always been unpredictable, 
loads-a-top-teams have been knocked out by lower division teams 
( even by part-time non-league teams). Thats just the nature of the cup !

But I agree, if it were a choice between Wimbledon Vs Crystal Palace
or Milan Vs any_other_Italian_team I know which one I'd pick to watch.

>   happened here. If a player plays for a lower-regions team here, he isn't
>   selected at all for the Dutch team. Any comments about that strange situation?
>

It's a pity really, but understandable.

-grc.

ps. How did PSV do in their Christmas tour ( they did go away to play
    some friendlies didn't they ? ).



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