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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: THE US AND AIDID
From: aali@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 9 Jan 93 21:04:27 CST
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.umkc.edu

The U.S. seizure of Aidid's  weapon stockpile sends a signals to
the warlords of U.S/U.N's changing rules in Somalia.  For the last
two weeks warlord Aidid seemed to be testing the political will of the
U.N and the U.S.  Aidid had no choice but to cooperate with the Marines
and other foreign forces though he was not thrilled about their intervesion.
Laterly, he seemed to be trying to increase both his political and military
influence in the country.  As the major cities under his cotrol were taken
over by U.S and the allies (the so called starvation belt was almost
exclusively under Aidid's control or his ally, Jeese), much of Aidid's militias
were no longer useful. Aidid, reportedly sent large number of his militia to the
central region of Mudug committing more massacres in several towns.  On the
political side, Aidid has been trying to discredit the U.N while potraying 
the U.S as his allies. The Stoning of the UN secretary general during his visit
in Mogadishu was organized by Aidid. further, several Somalis who returned 
to somalia, after the Marines were deployed, were forced to leave the 
country due to Aidid's threat to assassinate them. Apparentlly, Aidid is
concern about any Somali with stature and influence who may possibly post
him a political challenge and is willing to go to any length to get his way.
In addition, Aidid is said to be the main obsticle to peace in the Adis- 
saba conference.
 With this "misconducts"  along with sniper fire from Aidid's positions in
Mogadishu, the US decided to send a strong signal  to all the warlords.
The seizure of some Aidid's heavy weapons reduces both his military power and
sends the message that the US will act decisively against any warlord
that breaks the rules. The US seem to be realizing that without disarming
the factions and strong arm_twisting no meaningful change can take place
in a country like Somalia.  
    


 Abdinur
From: goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring)
Subject: Re: New US policy on Africa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:49:43 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1hd2d3INN5gi@tolmie.cs.ubc.ca> shaze@cs.ubc.ca (Scott Hazelhurst) writes:
>On BBC last night (this morning?) there was a story about a new
>US policy document on Africa. I thought that it was quite odd to
>unveil a new policy on Africa a month before a new President comes
>into office, 

    The "new policy on Africa" is a political smokescreen: Mr.Bush
    would love the public to believe that his earlier decision to
    send U.S. troops to Somalia was a part of a grand design to help 
    struggling African nations.  Funny that he forgot to mention
    the new policy a month ago...

>                  but the person who the BBC interviewed on the subject
>said that the document had had fairly wide consultation, and that
>the Clinton admininistration would be so busy when it came into
>office that there wouldn't be time to do any major review of policy.
>
>The story did not go into any detail about what the new policy was,
>but said that it would probably lead to a more active role -- for
>example if it had been in place already, there would have been earlier
>involvement in Somalia, and even direct intervention in Liberia.
>
>Does anyone know the details of this policyy document, and whether
>as has been suggested it will survive the transition?
>
>Scott
>
>
>-- 
>---shaze@cs.ubc.ca----------------------------------------------------------
>   Scott Hazelhurst
From: f54oguocha@edison.usask.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re:(was Re: Ethiopia: Massacre at Addis Ababa University
Date: 11 JAN 93 16:34:34 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
NNTP-Posting-Host: edison.usask.ca



Description: Re: Ethiopia: Massacre at Addis Ababa University

In an article <11-JAN-1993 05:12:04> getachew@yosemite.math.ucla.edu (getachew 
hagos) writes:

>I heard similar story if not identical to what Abiye reported to share us in
>this network. I guess he shoudn't deserve a blame by sharing what he heard, I
>would prefer to praise him for making my source double unlike what you think.
>
i simply asked him to provide us with the statistics of the killings. i never
asked him to shut up. ok? the issue at hand is a very sensitive or explosive
one and should not be treated with a slant tone. we are objective readers in
this network and should not be fed with stories punctuated with emotion and
sentimentalism. if you are biased about the happenings in Ethiopia, most of us
in this network are not. let the truth be told always. 

>>this is not very difficult to understand. it's a matter of "you rub my back 
>>and i rub yours".

>Is that democracy then?
democracy is dogs' game: you fall for me, i fall for you. making deals is part
of the game.

>The mengistu regim is not ousted by only these groups, the whole Ethiopian
>people fought for it, the only difference is these group are only the
>benifit of the doubt.

well, that's where history places them. in any case, we knew when the "whole
Ethiopian people" joined the victory song.

>I don't think any body argue if the whole Eritrean people voted to be
>independent. The question is how fair is the referendom?

you and i cannot determine the fairness of the referendum over this network. we
have to be on the ground on that important day. failing this, we have to belie-
ve what the international representatives say about the referendum (unless you
think they have been bought over already).

>Don't forget this guy was a dictator like Migistu was, he killed and/or
>be the cause of the killing of thousands if not millions of Ethiopians and
>Eritreans. I wouldn't shed my tears over his death nor did I rejoice it, but
>I beg God to put his soul in the exact place he deserve to be in.

no person begs you to shed your tears for a man you never liked or admired.
freedom is never got on a platter of gold. there is a price for everything.
whatever price the Eritreans have paid to reach this stage in their struggle
for the restoration of man's dignity is not in vain. liberation wars are never
easy, people die and there is little one can do about it. 

>Have a good day.

oguocha
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african:7513 alt.native:1635
From: shaze@cs.ubc.ca (Scott Hazelhurst)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Federalism (was Re: CAMEROON:....)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 15:30:48 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: empress.cs.ubc.ca

gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux) writes:
>Really Scott, you should read a little more. 
>You might try:
>Donald Horowitz, A Democratic South Africa (oxford, 1991),
>or Ibid, Ethnic groups in conflict (1986)
>or Arend Lijphart Democracy in Plural Societies (1977)
>or Ibid, Power Sharing in South Africa
>or D McRae (ed) Consociational Democracy (1973?)
>or LJ Boulle SA and the Consociational Option (1984)
>etc etc etc.

Thanks for the reading list. I'll see what I can get from the
library, although a title like "SA and the Consociational Option"
doesn't inspire me with great confidence.

Does this mean that you support a "federal" option for South
Africa. Perhaps you could elaborate on how you would see this
work in practice, while I brush up on my theory.


Scott


-- 
---shaze@cs.ubc.ca----------------------------------------------------------
   Scott Hazelhurst
From: irfan@n3000c.ece.wisc.edu (Irfan Alan)
Subject: DROPLET VOL 1, NO 4, PART 3
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison; Electrical & Computer Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:25:33 CST

DROPLET VOL 1, No 4, Part 3

D R O P L E T
From The Vast Ocean Of The Miraculous Qur'an

Translations from the Arabic and Turkish Writings of Bediuzzaman
Said Nursi, 

The Risale-i Noor

VOL 1, No 4, Part 3
------------------------------------------------------------------



Now, as the proof to the reality of resurrection, a single
indication suffices from that glorious spiritual monarch
(Rasulullah SAV) who has uninterruptedly ruled for thirteen (now
fourteen) centuries over countless spirits, intellects, hearts
and souls, within the sphere of righteousness, wisdom, and
truth, and has administered and educated the humanity. After  he
has proven and demonstrated that reality, not with one
indication but with thousands of explicit evidences, is not the
ignorant fool who fails to recognize such truth worthy of
torment in hellfire, and will it not be just for him to suffer
therein?  

Similarly, all the heavenly scriptures and sacred books, each
addressed to a certain age and time,  accept the truth of
resurrection as set forth with repeated and explicit proofs  in 
the  Qur'an, a  book  addressed  to the future and to all ages.
They accept it in  a  fashion  appropriate to their  age,  and
set it forth in a veiled, concealed and general fashion,  but
they assert it so powerfully as to constitute a  thousandfold 
signature to the claim of the Qur'an.

We  will include  here,  because  of  its  relevance to the
theme of resurrection, a proof of resurrection drawn from the
Treatise of Supplication. This proof, containing the testimony
borne to "Belief in the Last Day" by  the  other  pillars  of 
belief,  specially belief in Allah's Messengers and His books,
is  brief  but  powerful,  and  it suffices  to dissolve all
doubts. We thus say in supplication:

"O Merciful Lord!  Through the teaching of the Most Noble
Messenger (Rasul-u Ekrem ASV) and the instruction of the
All-Wise Qur'an,  I have understood that all the sacred books
and prophets, headed by the Qur'an and the Most Noble Messenger,
unanimously testify and bear witness that the manifestations of
all of Allah's Splendid (Celal) and Beauteous (Cemal) Names that
are to be seen everywhere in this world will continue in
eternity in still more refulgent form; that the compassionate
bounties and the merciful manifestations, samples of which we
observe in this transient world, will persist and continue in
more brilliant fashion in the realm of eternal felicity; and
that the human, and all the living creatures and even things,
who are in absolute desire and need of those bounties and
merciful gifts are all attracted to those meaningful samples
with pleasure and accompany each other with love and affection
during their brief lives in this world,  will remain together
eternally in the hereafter.  

---------------------------------------------------------------
To be continued In$a Allah.
Your Br. Irfan in Islam.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american
From: chris@psg.com (Chris Pinkham)
Subject: Re: Interview: Joseph Shabalala and the journey of dreams.
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon, US
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:49:57 GMT

> Now, I think I'm confused. Sometime last year, I read an article, probably
> here that Jospeh Shabalala was shot dead by a cop in J'berg. The article 
> said he was driving home one night when a cop stopped him and shot him in
> the head. The cop supposedly claimed he thought Shabalala was trying to
> look or draw a gun...

> Was that article a hoax?

No. But it wasn't Joseph, it was his brother, Headman. I think it was a private
security guard, not a cop, and I think it was in Natal, not J'burg. And it was
in late 1991 (just before Paul Simon's visit to SA), not last year.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african:7494 alt.native:1628
From: gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,alt.native
Subject: Re: One Settler, One Bullet
Date: 10 Jan 93 20:11:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucthpx.1993Jan10.201107.25399
Organization: University of Cape Town
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta) writes:
[ tedious crap deleted ]

Eh, we're all a little bored down here. Why don't y'all
go outside an' play there instead. 

Apparently the folks in the Free State have coined the perfect
reply to "one settler one bullet"

One settler - one taxi.

Ah well, that should appeal to KKKKKKauta-KKKKKKabouter.
Sies tog, die arme ding. En hy was altyd so soet, die 
arme kabouter. 

Gavan Tredoux
UCT
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:30:41 EST
From: Michael W. Sheib <MS7136A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Question about IPS

I've been reading this newsgroup for the last couple of weeks and have seen
a significant number of posts from IPS. IPS seems to be some sort of news
service. I was wondering if someone could e-mail me some specific information
about IPS, describing where it gets its articles from as well as some
information about its organizational structure.

Thanks in advance.

Michael Sheib
ms7136a@american.edu
OR
mws@po.cwru.edu

Take your pick
From: gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Interview: Joseph Shabalala and the journey of dreams.
Date: 10 Jan 93 20:00:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucthpx.1993Jan10.200057.25218
Organization: University of Cape Town
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

8934959@sunvax.sun.ac.za writes:
: In article <1993Jan7.214915.6616@ucthpx.uct.ac.za>, gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux) writes:
: Also there's the case of the (well off) Boland farmer 
: who killed a labourer with
: a pick handle.....he also received a light sentence, and on top of that
: a major crop insurance firm paid his legal fees if I remember correctly.
: I guess the saying "money doesn't talk....it swears" is true.
: 
: No doubt you feel that the sentences were just. I wonder why that does
: not fill me with optimism for the future.

No not at all, in fact I hold no opinion on the matter(s). In fact
people are far too opinionated around here, with so little to be 
opinionated with. If I wanted to form an opinion I'd read the
trial record or something, if one is available. I'd also
acquire some knowledge of sentencing. All this hysteria doesn't
serve any useful purpose, and it just gets unbearably shrill
after a while. 

But no doubt you're all for stringing these rotters up. Ah well,
good luck to you. I'm changing channels.

Gavan Tredoux
UCT
From: varvel@plains.NoDak.edu (Andrew Varvel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL
Date: 9 Jan 93 23:39:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.C0M1p7.Fw9
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <C0LxFv.3nG@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu 
(kauta) writes:
>>In article <C0HwJJ.DqB@ns1.nodak.edu> varvel@plains.NoDak.edu 
>>(Andrew Varvel, who is being very patient, writes:
>                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Very patient?? Obviously chewing Red Man; full of spam...your head turned by 
>the side.
>
>[....]
>>But what else should one expect from a spoiled master like Mr. Kauta?
>
>Ouch! This hurts!


Mr. John Kauta, you did a wonderful rendition of the internet hairball.  I
think you made a very proficient performance.  Not even a professional agent
provacateur could do so good a job of producing such a hairball.  You either
live in a world of delusions or you are a liar.

This was not a flame, at least not in comparison to the vomit that emanates
from my ancestral homeland.


--Andrew Varvel--

The truth hurts, doesn't it?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: mjkugel@iastate.edu (Michael J Kugel)
Subject: Re: Mweene's Anti-Semitism
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 05:32:17 GMT

In article <1ivsgoINN753@empress.cs.ubc.ca> shaze@cs.ubc.ca (Scott Hazelhurst) writes:
>mukasa@panix.com (Michael K Mukasa) writes:
>>In <1993Jan12.154943.2877@ucthpx.uct.ac.za> gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux) writes:
>>>pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>>>: In article (Bill Ross) writes:
>>>: >        Robert D. Kaplan , _New Republic_, Dec 28 1992
>>>:   Please desist from quoting this ill informed racist Jewish magazine here.
>>>                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>>How does saying a magazine is racist and then noting the ethnic focus of
>>the magazine make one a bigot???.  If there was a racist White South African
>>magazine (I am sure Gavan calls them normal reading material), and I
>>called it such would that make me a bigot??.
>
>How? It depends on the context in which it is said and by whom.
>The context is that Paul Mweene is an unrepentant, overt
>racist: his statements against whites, Arabs, and Indians are 
>of public record. He uses 'Jewish' as an adjective in the same
>way that Eugene Terre'Blanche does (as in "Judge Gabriel [referring to
>Goldstone], FW's little Jew"), and in exactly the same way
>that Nazis did (as in "Physics is a Jewish science").
>
>The only reasonable way for 'Jewish' to be used in this context if
>'New Republic' _were_ Jewish in the sense that "The Jewish Chronicle"
>or a religious/cultural magazine, or even The Jerusalem Post etc
>is Jewish. I haven't read "New Republic" (and if this is the quality
>of their articles, I am not going to rush out and buy a subscription
>either), but I don't believe that New Republic has an ethnic focus
>of any sort: it is just a magazine (obviously not of a high quality)
>which deals with contemporary issues.

{\em The New Republic} is one of the most respected politcal magazines
in the US.  It is certainly not racist---in fact it is somewhat
left leaning---but it publishes articles from a variety of
authors whose views are not necesarily endorsed by the magazine.  I
don't know if the ownership is Jewish, but, most likely, some of the
editors are---in left leaning intellectual circles Jewish
reprensentation is disproportionatly high (not that there is anything
wrong with that).
From: guay@fraser.sfu.ca (Tim Guay)
Subject: Mail lists
Summary: Mail lists
Keywords: Mail lists
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:37:38 GMT

Hi; 
I'm looking for any mailing lists on africa that I can subscribe to.

Thanks
	Tim
	guay@sfu.ca

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: hraizen@chpc.org (Helen Raizen)
Subject: Looking for penpals on Africatrek Route 
Followup-To: hraizen@chpc.org
Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:42:10 GMT

My daughter's elementary school is involved in a program that follows
the progress of the Africatrek Cycling Expedition across Africa.  The
school is interested in contacting correspondents in the key places
along the route to tell the children a bit about where you live and about
the presence of Africatrek in your city or country.  This could be done via email
through me, or by traditional mail.  The children are young elementary
school children, ages 4 to 7, primarily (75%) African-American and go to
school in Boston, MA.  The places that are featured in their materials
on Africatrek are:

	Bizerte, Tunisia (Nov. 1992)
	Timbuktu, Mali (Feb. 1993)
	Abidjan, Ivory Coast (March, 1993)
	Mt Kilimanjaro, Tanzania (April 1993)
	Cape Agulhas, South Africa (June 1993)

Of course, other places along the route would also be welcome.
Please contact me directly with any comments or questions as I do not regularly
read this newsgroup.

Helen Raizen
hraizen@chpc.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: barnhart@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: IPS:ANGOLA: PEACE RETURNING AFTER VIOLENCE LEAVES 200 DEAD
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:11:40 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

Copyright Inter Press Service 1993, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Reference: Disarmament & Peace
Title: ANGOLA: PEACE RETURNING AFTER VIOLENCE LEAVES 200 DEAD


lisbon, jan 4 (ips) -- after violent confrontations on sunday,
which resulted in a reported  200 deaths, peace has returned to
lubango the capital of huila province in south-west angola.

portuguese radio correspondents say quiet is returning but
shots can still be heard in the city and its immediate
surroundings.

various sources said fighting broke out between the ruling
popular movement for the liberation of angola (mpla) and the
national union for the total independence of angola (unita) on
sunday morning.

during the fighting the regional commander of the rebel group,
padrinho pilartes, was captured.

the hopes that general elections held in angola last year would
finally put an end to 16 years of civil war, in which over 500,000
people were killed, seem doomed to failure.

the elections of last september 29 and 30 produced a landslide
victory for the mpla, but the unita leader jonas savimbi refused
to accept the outcome, despite the international endorsement.

savimbi accused the luanda government of fraud and claimed that
the international observers had been ''bought with diamonds'' and
threatened to restart the war.

speaking in a radio transmission from the lisbon-based 'tsf'
station, domingos changas fangel, the governor of lubango, said
that sunday's fighting was ''an isolated incident, sparked by a
single unita unit, shooting at a police squadron, which resulted
in 30 deaths''.

however, other sources contacted by tsf spoke of more that 200
deaths, most of them on the unita side. in the imperio hotel
alone, where unita militants and soldiers are based, over 100 were
reported killed.

despite the mediation of the united nations tension between both
parties since the election has been increasing and the ensuing
battles between them have resulted in some 1,500 deaths.

skirmishes between unita and the mpla have taken place in various
parts of the country. both blame each other for the ''pre-war
climate'' in angola.

despite urgent meetings of u.n. representatives in angola with
savimbi, as well as with the president jose eduardo dos santos, in
an effort to stop the fighting hostilities are increasing.

a mission of the organisation of african unity (oau), in angola
last week, also saw its efforts to end the disagreement
frustrated. (end/ips/np/trd/sp/ar/da/mv/mf/93)

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