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From: kbr@cbnews.cb.att.com (kenneth.b.reber)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: Flea Markets
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:03:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep14.114249.29061@walter.bellcore.com> mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.194354.17773@julian.uwo.ca>, wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
>|> In article <1992Sep11.181138.25403@walter.bellcore.com> mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch) writes:
>Carlisle, Pa.  The two biggest fleas/shows are Spring Carlisle, usually
>about the third week in April, and Fall Carlisle, usually the first week
>in October.  This year Fall Carlisle is October 1-4.  The town of Carlisle
>is about 45 minutes west of Harrisburg.  I usually stay in Mechanicsburg,
>about 10 miles east of Carlisle.  All the motels in the area are usually
>completely booked two or three months before the events, so unless you're
>close enough for day trips you have to make reservations well in advance.
>
>
>


Ditto for Hershey. Only increase the size, add age to the parts (Carlisle
tends not to have the concentration of prewar parts), and there's no
admission. You should make hotel reservations a year in advance and
Hershey is ALWAYS the Tue through Sat of the first full week of Oct. (week
starting on Sun.).  The last number I had was that the Hershey Flea Market
covered 300 acres.  BTW this flea market is the national meet of the AACA; the
local region organizes and runs the market and competition.  They do an
impressive job.

I'll be at the Sheraton on Union Deposit Rd.; 20th year there.

Ken
From: mxl@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (marc.a.levy)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Mustang Master Cylinder
Date: 8 Sep 92 11:34:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

After calling a few mustang part's places, I found that I will
have a problem getting a Master Cylinder for my 1966 mustang
with manual drum breaks.  It seems like no one makes it any
more. 

If any one out there knows where I can get one, please let me
know.

The part itself has a screw on cap, and only one brake line
connection.

Thanks.

Marc
  
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: aefron@cornerstone.com (Andrew Efron)
Subject: Re: New 1965 Shelby 427 Cobras
Reply-To: aefron@cornerstone.com (Andrew Efron)
Organization: Cornerstone Research, Cambridge, Mass.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:13:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.214205.22421@ichips.intel.com>, 
tmcconne@sedona.intel.com (Tom McConnell) writes:
>   I remember reading about these, and I don't think $500,000 was the price. 
In
> fact, I seem to remember a quote from Shelby about not caring that he was
> diluting the market for Cobras.
> 
>   The article was in Autoweek, about six weeks ago? When I get home I'll 
look
> again.
> 
>     Cheers,
> 
>     Tom McConnell
> -- 
>  Tom McConnell          |     Internet: tmcconne@sedona.intel.com
>  Intel, Corp. C3-91     |     Phone: (602)-554-8229
>  5000 W. Chandler Blvd. | The opinions expressed are my own. No one in 
>  Chandler, AZ  85226    | their right mind would claim them.

According to Caroll Shelby (in Road & Track's August road test of the new/old 
cobra), the price is "Five hundred thousand dollars and I don't take any 
less."  All profits to go to Shelby's heart foundation.

Andy


 

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"I didn't do it to make history.  You do something that you want to 
do or feel you have to do, because you like it and love it.  And if 
it turns out to be history, well, so what?"

			--Carroll Shelby, from "The Cobra-Ferrari Wars, 1963-1965"


Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: atlan@cs.tu-berlin.de (Bertram Walter)
Subject: Help for Oldsmobile Futuramic 98 model year 1948
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Distribution: alt.autos.antique
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:14:41 GMT


        Hello,

        my father bought the Oldsmobile half a year ago from Florida
        (USA, where else). But to get a license for driving it in
        Germany some things have to be installed, which are missing. 

        1. There are no directions lights.
           Knows someone where to get a kit for complete installation
           of direction lights.

        2. The headlamps are wrong for Germany, they are have a sealed
           beam headlighting system, which is not allowed in Germany. 
           Does anyone know, where to get the right headlamps for this
           car.

        Hope, someone could help, our local garage for old cars hasn't
        found anything for now two months.


        Thanks and bye,

                        Bertram Walter
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: dye@i88.isc.com (Ken R. Dye )
Subject: Re: New Technology!?!
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:20:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.212158.23838@newsgate.sps.mot.com> mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.115422.1@woods.ulowell.edu>, milliganc@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>|> 	A few years ago it came to my relization that the automobile's 
>|> development occurs in circles..........
>|> 	
>|> 	How about a car with;
>|> 			Front wheel drive,
>|> 			Independent front suspention,
>|> 			Dual overhead camshafts,
>|> 			Four valves per cylinder,
>|> 			Supercharged,
>|> 			Alfin brakes,
>|> 			Made in U.S.A.
>|> 			Etc.?
>|> Check out a MILLER, from the 1920's!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>That's important only if you are interested in technology buzzwords!
>
>A modern push-rod, 2-valve, normally aspirated 4-cylinder in a beam-axle
>truck with rear-wheel drive is still a better performing, lower emission,
>lower fuel consumption design than the 1920's.   Performance and value have
>have never been guaranteed by the presence of a given feature or configuration.
>
>Your proclamation sounds like what I would hear from a used car salesman!

	Your proclamation sounds like someone unclear on the concept.
You like drum brakes as well?  Fine.  But to say that your truck would be
better performing is laughable.  First of all, you are comparing apples
and oranges...the Miller was a race car, so to compare emmissions and
fuel consumption is silly.

	Performance?  I'd love to see your truck (even with its light-years
ahead in technology radials) do an average lap of 115 MPH at Indianapolis today...
let alone in 1929 when it was roughly paved in brick.  

	To compare a late model truck as you described to a engineering
masterpiece (as well as a work of art) Miller is just as insane as
comparing someone who uses the term "independent front suspension"
with a used car salesman.

--Ken

Yeah I know, no flames in a.a.a, but he said "used car salesman" first!
-- 
Ken R. Dye				an optimist is a guy		 |
Interactive Systems Corp., Chicago	that has never had		 | 
(800) LAI-UNIX x341			much experience			 |
dye@i88.isc.comm						archy	 |
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: aefron@cornerstone.com (Andrew Efron)
Subject: Re: Flea Markets
Reply-To: aefron@cornerstone.com (Andrew Efron)
Organization: Cornerstone Research, Cambridge, Mass.
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 13:32:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.174905.17828@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, 
dpl@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (douglas.p.linden) writes:

> Here in the northeast I'll
> heading to Bennington VT (great car show as well), Carlisle,
> and then Hershey.  I hope that other netters will also  be 
> attending, if so let's hope for dry weather!

What are the dates of these events?  As I recall, Carlisle is Corvettes, but 
what are the other events oriented towards?  How do I get info on them?

Hershey = parts flea market?  Bennington  = ???

Thanks,

Andy


-----------------------------------------------------------------------
"I didn't do it to make history.  You do something that you want to 
do or feel you have to do, because you like it and love it.  And if 
it turns out to be history, well, so what?"

			--Carroll Shelby, from "The Cobra-Ferrari Wars, 1963-1965"


Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw)
Subject: Re: New Technology!?!
Organization: Motorola Western MCU Design Center, Chandler Arizona
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:21:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.115422.1@woods.ulowell.edu>, milliganc@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
|> 	A few years ago it came to my relization that the automobile's 
|> development occurs in circles..........
|> 	
|> 	How about a car with;
|> 			Front wheel drive,
|> 			Independent front suspention,
|> 			Dual overhead camshafts,
|> 			Four valves per cylinder,
|> 			Supercharged,
|> 			Alfin brakes,
|> 			Made in U.S.A.
|> 			Etc.?
|> Check out a MILLER, from the 1920's!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's important only if you are interested in technology buzzwords!

A modern push-rod, 2-valve, normally aspirated 4-cylinder in a beam-axle
truck with rear-wheel drive is still a better performing, lower emission,
lower fuel consumption design than the 1920's.   Performance and value have
have never been guaranteed by the presence of a given feature or configuration.

Your proclamation sounds like what I would hear from a used car salesman!

Mark
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 18:49:17 EDT
From: <WJT101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: She's been around the block a few times

Hello.  I was wondering to what extent the number of previous owners a
        car has had, effects its value.


For instance,is a "2 owner" 1960 Cadillac worth more than a
           similar "4 owner" 1960 Cadillac?Assuming, of course, cars
           are in equal condition.
From: mort@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Mortensen)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 04:13:09 GMT
Subject: Re: Refinishing wood steering wheel
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique

In alt.autos.antique, hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:

	Simple!  use ordinary wood filler, follow directions, sand, prep,
	stain, finish.  Thats all.

morty
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
> hinzd@picard.med.ge.com
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch)
Subject: Re: Flea Markets
Reply-To: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch)
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 11:51:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.133215.18117@cornerstone.com>, aefron@cornerstone.com (Andrew Efron) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep11.174905.17828@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, 
|> dpl@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (douglas.p.linden) writes:
|> 
|> > Here in the northeast I'll
|> > heading to Bennington VT (great car show as well), Carlisle,
|> > and then Hershey.  I hope that other netters will also  be 
|> > attending, if so let's hope for dry weather!
|> 
|> What are the dates of these events?  As I recall, Carlisle is Corvettes, but 
|> what are the other events oriented towards?  How do I get info on them?
|> 
|> Hershey = parts flea market?  Bennington  = ???
|> 
|> Thanks,
|> 
|> Andy
|> 
|> 
|> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
|> "I didn't do it to make history.  You do something that you want to 
|> do or feel you have to do, because you like it and love it.  And if 
|> it turns out to be history, well, so what?"
|> 
|> 			--Carroll Shelby, from "The Cobra-Ferrari Wars, 1963-1965"
|> 
|> 


Carlisle does have at least one Corvette show/flea, but it's just one of
many specialty show/fleas there.  The two biggest events, however, are
Spring and Fall Carlisle, and these are general automotive shows/fleas.
Spring Carlisle is usually the third week in April, and Fall Carlisle is
October 1-4 (this year).


Mike
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: adh@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay)
Subject: Re: data aquisition
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:45:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.104052.17229@mr.med.ge.com> hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:
"Wayne Smith (wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca) wrote:
": In article <gans.716240453@ee.ualberta.ca> gans@ee.ualberta.ca (Kevin Gans) writes:
": >Wish to finda source for 12-bit data aq. brd. w/12-bit res.;
": >ADC (and less importantly DAC); one channel in (one ch. out if DAC)
": >;approx. 100 kHz sampling rate for the ADC.
": >				       Thank- you for your help
": 
": Would that be like the '66 Ford version (multiplexed in 3 groups of 4),
": or the '57 Chrysler (straight -12)?
"
"Well, I've got the Swedish version, would that help?

no, he probably wants the nash bit-serial version anyway.

-- 
		+--------------------------------------------------------------+
Andrew Hay	"Do not fraternize with that creature, I am trying to train him"
a_d_hay@att.com	"But that's a parrot!"		"I was TALKING to the parrot..."
		+--------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw)
Subject: Re: Junking Old Cars
Organization: Motorola Western MCU Design Center, Chandler Arizona
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:45:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.214624.1422@julian.uwo.ca>, wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
|> I just saw a news item on CNN that should turn the stomachs of all the
|> readers of this group...
|> 
|> It seems that California will, or is considering, letting power plants
|> buy old cars, and by junking these cars, the power plants can then
|> exceed polution standards by an amount equal to what the old cars 
|> would have emmited.

It was only a matter of time before someone would go ballistic on this issue and
post it to the net.   Unfortunately, every lament I see regards proposed legislation
that to remove old "clunkers" from the road is more hysteria and rage than a call to action.

Simply put, those old cars we know and love are the dirtiest emitters out there.  
Pre-1970 cars emit about 25 to 100 times the levels of pollution as do 1992 models.  
GM did a study and estimated that about 50% of today's auto-related emissions are
caused by only 13% of the cars on the road.  Even if they produce LEV (Low Emission
Vehicles) or even ZEV (Zero Emission Vehicles) that means we will still have the
same pollution levels from cars.   These old cars are a problem.   And the sooner we
realize that fact and stop reacting to someone calling "our babies ugly" will we get
on with the real issue --- how do we limit the damage to our restoration hobby/industry
and still effect an improvement in air quality?

I would suggest that anyone interested in the topic should contact the:

 Restoration Industry Legislative Coalition
 10400 Roberts Road
 Palos Hills, IL 60465
 (FAX) 708-598-4888
 Info  800-CARS-166

They are trying to gather data on the industry and hobbyist impact and to propose
alternative approaches to the problem to our government.

Let's face it people:  80-90% of the population could care less if every old heap was
taken from the road.  They see no use for them and they are becoming more and more aware
of the environmental impact they represent.   If we want to preserve this part of
history for ourselves, we need to act responsibly about it.   We cannot save every
hunk of metal out there! 

Besides, think about it, if you were the only person with a 1960 Chevy BelAir and
they scraped all the others produced -- it would be worth a fortune!
(Well, OK, maybe a 1960 Chevy BelAir was a bad example?  :-)

Mark
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gayla Ann Greis)
Subject: Re: Junking Old Cars
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:04:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.164556.3583@newsgate.sps.mot.com> mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw) writes:
>In article <1992Sep12.214624.1422@julian.uwo.ca>, wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
>|> It seems that California will, or is considering, letting power plants
>|> buy old cars, and by junking these cars, the power plants can then
>|> exceed polution standards by an amount equal to what the old cars 
>|> would have emmited.

>It was only a matter of time before someone would go ballistic on this issue and
>post it to the net.Unfortunately,every lament I see regards proposed legislation
>that to remove old "clunkers" from the road is more hysteria and rage than a call to action.

Mark, you are missing the issue 110%. (And you are missing CR's as well for
those of us without the benefit (?) of X-windows.)

Now, I agree that this issue is nothing new. It has come about many times,
as rumor. It was once proposed, and has been revived several times, but is
not *currently* a threat. The real kicker is not the fact that these cars
are polluting, or even the removal of them, it's the fact that the companies
that are buying these cars are being given vouchers to pollute N times more
based on the number of cars that they remove. Doesn't this defeat the
purpose?

Now, on the other hand, it is getting some of these rattle-traps off the
road. And that is helping safety as well as pollution. One distinction that
you are really missing is that many of these "babies" are better maintained,
and do not pollute nearly in one year what an OTR Semi will in one week.
This is based on 2 factors: upkeep and useage. Like I said most of these
cars are well maintained, those that aren't are not really collectors, and
don't hang out here anyway. And, as the proud owner of multiple German
collectables, I know that my cars all see less useage in one year, than
most cars see in a week. Yes, in the summer I daily drive a '73 VW Thing
(Not an antique, I know), but it's parked when it's lousy or whatever.
I drive a Chevy Cavalier then, and believe me, it's not half as clean,
doesn't get as good of milage, and isn't as well upkept.
From: hauer@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Dean Hauer)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 08:56:12 GMT
Subject: Re: Need help:  Value of '67 Ford Galaxie
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique

Your Ford sounds like the Galaxie that I owned as my first car.
I'm not certain what it's worth but it sure sounds like a
beauty to me. I bought mine in 1972 for $600 (a long time ago
I know.) I priced a 2 door with the 390, 2-owner, long miles
about 2 months ago here in Boise for $500, but the body was
beginning to rust out from a couple winters in Minnesota. Yours
sounds much nicer, though the popular models are 2-door big
blocks with lower miles. Not too many of us around who really
appreciate the lines of these fine automobiles. Sorry I couldn't
help more....bye.
From: brooks@mcnc.org (Ted Brooks)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: Flea Markets
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:04:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC

In article <1992Sep14.170356.25673@cbnews.cb.att.com> kbr@cbnews.cb.att.com (kenneth.b.reber) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.114249.29061@walter.bellcore.com> mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep11.194354.17773@julian.uwo.ca>, wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
>>|> In article <1992Sep11.181138.25403@walter.bellcore.com> mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch) writes:
>>Carlisle, Pa.  The two biggest fleas/shows are Spring Carlisle, usually
>>about the third week in April, and Fall Carlisle, usually the first week
>>in October.  This year Fall Carlisle is October 1-4.  The town of Carlisle
>>is about 45 minutes west of Harrisburg.  I usually stay in Mechanicsburg,
>
>Ditto for Hershey. Only increase the size, add age to the parts (Carlisle
>tends not to have the concentration of prewar parts), and there's no
>admission. You should make hotel reservations a year in advance and

For those of you in the mid-South who don't want to drive to PA, check out
Charlotte, NC swap meet at the Charlotte MOtor Speedway. Spring & fall meets.
I went to the AACA show/swap meet there this weekend. Picked up a few
goodies for the ole '55.

"Charlotte in the fall" will be held the 1st weekend in NOv. and
is pure swap meet/car corral.

 
Ted Brooks
 ______________________________________________________________________
| Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are my own, and do not reflect    |
| those of my employer. Advice is free, but you get what you pay for.  |
|                               ________                               |
|                         _____|  1955  |_______                       |
|                        /      Chevrolet      /                       |
|                       /______  BelAir  _____/                        |
|                              |________|                              |
|______________________________________________________________________|
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)
Subject: Re: Flea Markets
Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:43:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.181138.25403@walter.bellcore.com> mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch) writes:
>I'm at Carlisle Spring and Fall, rain or shine.  Wouldn't miss it.
>Never fails that I come away from there with a real "find."

Where is Carlisle?  When?  What?  and how much?


Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: Refinishing wood steering wheel
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 11:59:55 GMT

Sorry about the empty message, damn VI editor......

Anyway, I have an old wooden steering wheel (mahogany, I believe) which was
exposed to the environment for a decade or two.  All the finis is gone, and it;s
badly bleached out.  I've cleaned it up with Murphy's Oil Soap, which took off
most of the dirt, but what can I use to fill in the cracks which have formed
between laminations, and what kind of finish should I use for it?


--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
hinzd@picard.med.ge.com
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: mellum@skyler.mavd.honeywell.com
Subject: Info Req: Body off Frame
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 15:51:51 GMT

I realize that this question probably requires more clarification, but I'm
just seeking information to help me make a decision. So what exactly is
involved in removing a body from the frame? By this I mean, what special tools
are required? Can a person rent the equipment needed? And once the body is off
the frame, does it have to be in a rack, or can it be supported on the ground?
Are there any special steps a person should go through in preparation to do
this? The car in question is a '72 Buick GS455 convertible (I know it's not 25+
yet). Any info would be appreciated.

Ron
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: Glenn Stauffer <stauffer@cc.swarthmore.edu>
Subject: Large classic car junkyard in Presque Isle, Maine
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6D7E5AE2301433A@mac8.beardsley.swarthmore.edu>
X-Xxdate: Sat, 12 Sep 92 23:21:34 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College Computing Center
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 22:22:12 GMT

Several years ago while living in Bangor, Maine, I read a newspaper 
article about a large junkyard in Presque Isle, Maine that had a large 
number of excellent classic cars.  From the story, I gather that the 
owner of the junkyard would buy cars from the service men stationed at 
Loring AFB and pretty much just park them in a field.  The cars were 
often fairly new.  I believe that most of the cars that he obtained were 
from the 40's to the 60's.  About three or four years ago, the owner of 
this car yard died and the family sold everything to two men - one from 
Virginia and the other from New Brunswick, Canada.  Since buying the 
operation, they've been involved in inventorying and cataloging the 
cars.  I understand that many are in great condition.

I'd really like more information on this operation.  If anyone can tell 
me where it is (street address - the one time I drove to Presque Isle, I 
didn't run across it) and how to contact the place, that would be a good 
start.  If you've been there and can tell me what might be available - 
especially in the way of 50's cars (esp. Chevy's), that would be a great 
start.

Thanks

Glenn Stauffer