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From: FEKETE@bcvms.bc.edu (Zoli Fekete)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: AGORA-SCMPOST Miklo1s Radno1ti: I Cannot Tell ...
Date: 19 Aug 1992 22:18:03 -0500
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From:	BITNET%"CSERGO@GWUVM"      "Csergo Zsuzsa" 19-AUG-1992 23:05:22.47
 
I cannot tell what this land means for others.  For me,
This little country ringed by fire is the mother-land -
The far-off world of childhood rocking in the distance.
I have grown from it like a frail branch growing from a tree
And my hope is that my body will here sink into the ground.
Here, I'm at home.  And whenever a bush kneels at my feet,
I will know its name for sure, know the name of the flower;
I know where the people who walk down the road are going to;
And at sunset, in summer, I know the meaning of that pain
That reddens as it trickles down the walls of the houses.
For a man flying over it, this land is merely a map.
He wouldn't know where the poet Vo2ro2smarty lived here.
What would the map hide for _him_?  A factory, the tough barracks.
But for me there are grasshoppers, oxen, a steeple and gentle farms.
He, through binoculars, would see a factory or fields,
While I see the worker, trembling, fearful for his work -
A forest too, orchards abrim with birdsong, vineyards and graves,
Among the graves, a little old woman softly weeping.
And what - from above - is a railway, or plant marked for destruction,
Is merely a signal-box, and the keeper stands in front of it
With a red flag signalling; around him many children,
And a sheepdog rolling on the ground in the factory yard.
And there is the park - there, the footprints of old flames;
On my lips their kisses taste, now honey, now blackberries.
And once on my way to school, I walked on the edge of the pavement
And on a propitious stone trod to forestall being tested;
Here is that stone, but from way up there you can't make it out -
There is no device to reveal such things with accuracy.
True, we are all guilty, like the people of other nations,
And we know where our fault lies - when, how and where we did wrong;
But workers too live here, and poets, who labour in innocence,
And tiny babies in whom reason is young, is growing -
It shines in them, they protect it - as they hide in the dark shelters -
For the day when the finger of peace marks our land for deliverance
And with fresh words they will answer our talk, which is muffled, hushed.
 
Night cloud, in your vigil, spread your great wings over us.
 
17 January 1944
 
(From the collection Miklo1s Radno1ti: Forced March. Selected Poems translated
by Clive Wilmer & George Go2mo2ri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
From: umcsiki@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Michael Csiki)
Subject: Song Translation
Summary: Rod Stewart's Forever Young
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:46:56 GMT


OROKRE FIATAL MARADTSZ

A Jo Isten legyen veled minden utadon
A napsugar es boldogsag ragyogjon rad otthonodtol taval

Novekedjel es gyarapodjal onerzedben es nagysagban
Tegyed aszt masnak amit te akarsz magadnak

Legy kitarto es meresz
Es szivembe orokre fiatal maradtsz
            orokre fiatal maradtsz

Szerencse legyen veled vezeto csillagod fenyes
Epitcs lepcsot a menybe hercegel vagy koldusal

Soha ne szeress hiaba
Es szivembe orokre fiatal maradtsz
            orokre fiatal maradtsz

Mikor vegre el repulsz remelem jol szolgaltalak
a leg nagyob bolcseseg se tudja mit hoz a sors

Akkar milyen utat valasztasz
Veled maradok ha nyersz vagy ha veszitesz
        es  orokre fiatal maradtsz
            orokre fiatal maradtsz. . . .   


:)
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From: FEKETE@bcvms.bc.edu (Zoli Fekete)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: AGORA-SCMPOST magyar vonatkozasu programok
Date: 18 Aug 1992 15:09:48 -0500
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Tudom, hogy ez idorol idore visszatero kerdes, de meg sosem jutottam hozza 
hogy osszerendezzem a valaszokat: milyen magyar szovegszerkesztok es 
forditoprogramok erhetok el? Ha valaki tapasztalattal/tanaccsal is tud 
szolgalni a hasznalhatosagukat illetoen, azt kulon megkoszonnem.
 
Javaslom, hogy az ismetlesek elkerulesere eloszor nekem kuldjetek a 
valaszokat es majd en osszegzem a listak (TIPP es Usenet) szamara. Egy lazan 
kapcsolodo keres: hamarosan megprobalom a magyar elektronikus 
szolgaltatasokat ismerteto hungarian-faq filet idoszerusiteni; ha valakinek 
ehhez kapcsolodo javaslata, barmilyen magyar vonatkozasu szamitogepes 
tudnivaloja vagy kerdese van orommel fogadnam.
 
Zoli fekete@bcvmc.bc.edu, keeper of hungarian-faq
From: FEKETE@bcvms.bc.edu (Zoli Fekete)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: AGORA-SCMPOST Miklo1s Radno1ti: Forced March
Date: 19 Aug 1992 22:17:04 -0500
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From:	BITNET%"CSERGO@GWUVM"      "Csergo3 Zsuzsa" 19-AUG-1992 23:14:11.85
A fool he is who, collapsed, rises and walks again,
Ankles and knees moving alone, like wandering pain,
Yet he, as if wings uplifted him, sets out on his way,
And in vain the ditch calls him back, who dare not stay.
And if asked why not, he might answer - without leaving his path -
That his wife was awaiting him, and a saner, more beautiful death.
Poor fool!  He's out of his mind:  now, for a long time,
Only scorched winds have whirled over the houses at home,
The wall has been laid low, the plum-tree is broken there,
The night of our native hearth flutters, thick with fear.
O if only I could believe that everything of worth
Were not just in my heart-  that I still had a home on earth;
If only I had!  As before, jam made fresh from the plum
Would cool on the old verandah, in peace the bee would hum,
And an end-of-summer stillness would bask in the drowsy garden,
Naked among the leaves would sway the fruit-trees' burden,
And She would be waiting, blonde against the russet hedgerow,
As the slow morning painted slow shadow over shadow, -
Could it perhaps still be?  The moon tonight's so round!
Don't leave me friend, shout at me:  I'll get up off the ground!
 
15 September 1944
 
(From the collection Miklo1s Radno1ti: Forced March. Selected Poems translated
by Clive Wilmer and George Go2mo2ri)
From: FEKETE@bcvms.bc.edu (Zoli Fekete)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: AGORA-SCMPOST Miklo1s Radno1ti: THE SEVENTH ECLOGUE
Date: 14 Aug 1992 13:35:18 -0500
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From:	BITNET%"CSERGO@GWUVM"      "Csergo Zsuzsa" 14-AUG-1992 14:00:02.59

Miklo1s Radno1ti: THE SEVENTH ECLOGUE
 
Can you see?  As dark comes on, the barracks and the grim oak fence --
That is girded with barbed wire -- dissolve: night soaks them up.
Slowly the eye relinquishes the bounds of our captivity.
And the mind, only the mind, can tell how taut the wire is.
Do you see, dear?  Even fancy has no other way to freedom;
The broken body's released by the fair deliverer, sleep;
And the prison camp, at such times, sets off for home.
In rags, their heads shaven, snoring, the prisoners fly
From the blind heights of Serbia to homelands now in hiding.
Homelands in hiding!  Ah, does our home still exist?
It might have escaped the bombs?  It still is -- as when we left it?
Will that man who moans on my right, and this on my left, reach home?
Is there a land still, tell me, where this verse form has meaning?
 
Without putting in the accents, just groping line after line,
I write this poem here, in the dark, just as I live,
Half-blind, like a caterpillar inching my way across paper;
Torches, books - the _Lager_ guards took everything;
And no post comes - just fog that settles upon the barracks.
 
Among false rumours and worms, we live here: with Frenchmen, Poles,
Heretic Serbs, loud Italians, nostalgic Jews, in the mountains.
This feverish body - dismembered, but still living one life -- waits
For good news, for women's sweet words, for a life both free and human,
And the end plunged into obscurity, and miracles.
 
I lie on a plank, a captive beast among words.  Again
The fleas renew their assault, but the flies have gone to rest.
It's night, you see: captivity now is a day shorter.
And so is life.  The camp is asleep.  Over the land
The moon shines and the wires again go taut in its light;
Through the window you can see how the shadows of armed guards
Go pacing along on the wall through the noises of the night.
 
The camp is asleep.  Do you see, my dear?  Dreams fan their wings.
Someone starts, groans, turns in his hight space, and is
Already asleep again, his face aglow.  Only I
Sit up awake -- on my lips, instead of your kisses, the taste
Of a half-smoked cigarette; and no sleep comes bringing rest, for
I can no longer die without you, nor can I live.
(Lager Heideman, in the mountains above Zagubica, July 1944)

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From the collection Miklo1s Radno1ti: Forced March, 
Selected Poems translated by Clive Wilmer and George Go2mo2ri
From: FEKETE@bcvms.bc.edu (Zoli Fekete)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: AGORA-SCMPOST Miklo1s Radno1ti: Letter To My Wife
Date: 14 Aug 1992 16:05:09 -0500
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From:	BITNET%"CSERGO@GWUVM"      "Csergo Zsuzsa" 14-AUG-1992 15:05:12.83

Miklo1s Radno1ti: Letter To My Wife
 
Deep down there, worlds dumb and silent lie:
The silence howling in my ears, I cry
But no-one here can answer me in far
Serbia that, stunned, crumpled into war;
And you are far off.  Twined around my dreams
Is your voice - which, by day, my heart reclaims.
So I am silent; cool to the touch and proud,
The many ferns around me hum aloud.
 
When I can see you once again -- who were
Lovely as light, lovely as shadow, sure
And grave as a psalm is -- I do not know;
Were I blind and dumb, I'd find you even so.
My mind projects you: in landscape you hide
But flash upon my eyes from deep inside.
You are but a dream again now, who were real;
My adolescence -- I fall back down that well
 
And question you 'Do you love me?' jealously,
And hope again that one day you will be
(When I have reached my prime of youth) my wife;
I fall back on the road of conscious life
Then, for I know you are.  My wife and friend.
But far off.  Three cruel frontiers intervened.
Slowly it's autumn.  Will that too leave me here?
The memory of our kisses grows more clear;
 
I once believed in miracles -- now though
I forget their dates... Above me bombers go....
I was just admiring your eyes' blue in the sky,
But clouds came and a plane up there flew by
With bombs longing to fall.  A prisoner,
I live despite them.  All I have hopes for
I've thought out, yet I'll find my way to you,
For I have walked the soul's full length for you --
 
And the roads of all these lands; through scarlet ash
I'll charm my way if need be, through the crash
Of worlds on fire -- and yet I shall get back.
If need be, I'll be tough as a tree's bark;
And the calm that hardened men have, who each hour
Know danger, stress, -- a calm worth guns and power --
Soothes me and, like a cool wave of the sea,
Sobering, 'two-times-two' breaks over me.
 
(Lager Heideman, August-September 1944)

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From the collection Miklo1s Radno1ti: Forced March, 
Selected Poems translated by Clive Wilmer and George Go2mo2ri

Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: andrew@medici.trl.OZ.AU (Andrew Jennings)
Subject: Re: Cordless phone in Oz
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 06:16:43 GMT

From article <1992Aug12.083413.27313@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, by keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka):
> kothav@jaeger.geog.ubc.ca (Zavareh Kothavala) writes:
> 
> 
> I have a bad news for you. Telecom Australia slaps a hefty fine for
> using equipment unauthorised for the use in Australia (cordless
> phones, modems, fax etc.) Customs post a huge sign warning the
> importation of cordless phones unauthorised for the use in Australia
> at every port of entry.  My advice is leave your phone at home.
>
Actually the phone must be approved by Austel. Anyone who wants to
use a phone in Australia (Telecom Australia included) must get it
approved by Austel.
 
> I strongly believe Telecom Australia should be privatised after
> chopped into smaller pieces. During the Olympics, Telecom ran
> a series of TV commercials claiming it is better than telephone
> companies in the USA, Japan, Germany, and Hong Kong. Although
> some commercials are funny (I like the one with a Japanese
> lamenting lack of a mobile net), they are far from the truth.

The facts are that the Australian mobile network is considerably
more sophisticated than equivalent networks in other countries.
It allows more use of the phone, such as free automatic roaming.
The ad simply claims this, and does not make comparisons on other
aspects.

> All US telephone companies do have 24-hour customer service;
> Japanese have two or three mobile phone companies competing
> each other.  A classic example of monopoly breeds exploitation.
> Shouldn't Australian consumers deserve better than this?
>

Telecom Australia does not have a monopoly in mobile services. 
At present there is one other company offering services, soon there
will be another. Australian consumers have an increasing variety
of choice in this area. 



a.jennings@trl.oz.au               phone  : 61 3 253 6241 fax : 61 3 253 6173
Andrew Jennings   AI Systems       Telecom Australia Research Laboratory

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From: kym@bingsuno.cc.binghamton.edu (R. Kym Horsell)
Subject: Re: THE ABORIGINAL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALLY RECOGNISES THE INDEPENDENCE OF MACEDONIA
Organization: State University of New York at Binghamton
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:06:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.003723.6415@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> 8939527@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () writes:
>	The Aboriginal minority in Australia has no knowledge
>in what is happening in Makedonia. 

I'm not particularly fond of the ``minority'' Americanism. The
mindset appears to be similar to ``us/them'' with the added bonus
of minority == not majority (i.e. me) == unimportant.

Of course I would never be so crass as to ask those Australians not
American wannabes to avoid using it. ;-)

-kym
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From: dpunjabi@eatdust.uswest.com (Dinesh Punjabi)
Subject: Need help finding internet/ftp/email bulletin board sites in Sydney, Australia
Originator: dpunjabi@eatdust
Organization: U S WEST Communications -- Information Technologies
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:30:08 GMT

Hello ...

I'm trying to get in touch with my brother-in-law who lives in Sydney,
Australia. I'm trying to get the phone-numbers of any public bulletin
board computers or sites in Sydney that support email/ftp/telnet.

Your EMAIL RESPONSES will be highly appreciated.

Rgds

Dinesh
~

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From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: Cordless phone in Oz
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:34:24 GMT

dave@ips.oz.au (Dave Horsfall) writes:

>In article <chris.713700668@suite.sw.oz.au>
>    chris@suite.sw.oz.au (Chris Maltby) writes:

>>The rationale for this bizarre state of affairs is that the radio
>>frequence spectrum is allocated differently in Australia and that
>>you phoone may interfere with devices such as remote control blasting
>>controllers (or whatever). It's bogus.

>It's also true.  There is no international standard for cordless phones
>(they are purely local, remember) hence manufacturer X has no reason to
>comply with country Y's frequency allocation.  There was a case some years
>ago of some high-power unit (imported, of course, with a claimed range of
>several miles!!!) walking all over the local Bush-fire Brigade's channel.
>And since they used different modulation methods (AM/FM/SSB - I forget)
>they couldn't even "hear" each other...

Some years ago a turkey in the Melbourne Stock Exchange imported a swag of 
phones for the floor-traders. He even had them modified to grab extra
frequencies. When he started up, every ambulance in Melbourne was flooded
with "Buy ...., Sell .....". A quick raid from DOC (now DOTAC) and they
were all impounded.

-- 
Jim Breen                           JIS:$B%8%`!!%V%j!<%s(J
Department of Robotics & Digital Technology. Monash University. 
PO Box 197 Caulfield East VIC 3145 Australia (ph) +61 3 573 2552 
(fax) +61 3 573 2345  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au  
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From: huumala@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: Re: Cost of Living in Australia??
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 06:18:05 GMT

In article <martin.714053988@lillee>, martin@lillee.cs.curtin.edu.au (Martin Dougiamas) writes:
> huumala@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes:
> 
>>Weather: winter (Jun, Jul, Aug):  Teens and windy
>>         summer (Dec, Jan, Feb):  20-35C and humid
>>         spring and fall:         somewhere inbetween.
> 
> You really can't generalise this much on the weather... Australia is a very
> large country and its climates range from winter snow in the mountains of the
> south to extremely dry deserts in the centre and tropical jungles up in
> the north... 

We were talking about Sydney.  Read the previous posts.
From: tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Ug Boots
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:30:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.36954
Organization: University of California, San Diego


A friend and co-worker of mine here in San Diego is looking for a
genuine pair of Ug Boots from Australia.  Anyone in OZ know how much
they cost, and whether they are available on some sort of mail order
(from someone like Myer, etc.)?


Your help would be genuinely appreciated.


Tom Marvan.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: s342046@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Life in Aus
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:41:48 GMT

In article <94193@bu.edu>, robrod@buengf.bu.edu writes:
> Thanks for the reply and postings on my questions.  This is very helpful.
> 
> A couple of more questions:
> 
> How good are Australian universities in technical fields?  
> If I go to Australia my girlfrind would also like to come.
> She would come before or after she finishes her MA depending on how good
> the universities are in her field of Computer Science.
> 
> How much is an Australian dollar in American dollars?  I saw a posting on
> the cost of living, but it was all in Australian dollars.  Would someone
> post some more like:  The cost of phone and electricity, an American car
> (are there Australian ones?), a movie ticket, and phone calls.
> 
> Thanks for the net-help to all!

Well robrod, my understanding of the quality of Australian universities
in the field of computer science is that they are pretty good. Possibly
not so technically advanced as ones in the US or possibly Japan.
Maybe I'm biased in this department so ask around!

Australian dollar is around 70 - 75 US cents, check in financial section
of your newspaper for daily rates. If you can't find it there then
you could probably find out from your bank, or try American Express or
Thomas Cook. Maybe a travel agent, the thing is that the exchange rate is
no secret anyhow.

Yes there are Australian cars of sorts, but why not buy a Japanese car
- they are much better that Australian (or American) ones.  Prices vary
naturally but you could expect to pay at least 15000 for a middle of the
road kind of (new) car.

Local phone calls cost 30 cents from a public phone, 24 cents from 
others (I think). And the phone service here is pretty good, quite a
lot of advanced features.  Costs of electricity and gas vary from
city to city, so maybe you could post where you intend to live, so
that someone from there could give you a better idea!

Full price movie tickets are about $11.80 but there are concessions
if you are unemployed or are a student.  You can often get cheaper
tickets supplied by your workplace or credit-union, or even in
Victoria, a health insurance fund (HBA).

If you intend to come to live in Victoria, let me know and I'll find
out some more specific info for you.

Good Luck!


Jane Anna Langley
+613 820 3629
s342046@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au
University of Melbourne, Australia
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From: boyd@prl.dec.com (Boyd Roberts)
Subject: Re: Manifesto: New Hope for Unitied Britonnic Nations (DSY)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Paris Research Laboratory
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:55:25 GMT

Isn't it a bit early for April 1?


Boyd Roberts			boyd@prl.dec.com

``When the going gets wierd, the weird turn pro...''
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From: michael@vk2bea.UUCP (Michael G. Katzmann)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.new-zealand,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: How did Australia and New Zealand Decimalise?
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:02:42 GMT
Reply-To: michael@vk2bea.UUCP (Michael G. Katzmann)
Followup-To: soc.culture.australian
Organization: Broadcast Sports Technology, Crofton. Maryland.

In article <BspsDD.GoD@newcastle.ac.uk> w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk writes:
  >In the 50's both Australia, Uk and NZ all had pounds shillings and
  >pence, now all are decimalised.

Australia began conversion from LSD to Decimal on 14th Febuary 1966.

  >
  >The UK did it by going from 240 pence in the pound to 100 new pence
  >in the pound.  they kept the pound the same but messed about with
  >the subunits - so causing massive problems and possibly suffering
  >and distress to people as they struggled to cope with the conversion
  >of 1 old penny being 5/12 of a new penny.
  >

  >    In Australia and New Zealand was decimalisation done by messing
  >about with the value of the currency unit (eg the pound) or with the
  >value of the sub-units (eg the penny).  In other words did they do it
  >by letting one cent = one penny 
  >       or  one dollar = 1 pound.
  >
From what I remember....
	one penny ====>  one cent
        threepence ===>  three cents
        sixpence   ===>  five cents
        shilling   ===>  ten cents
        floran     ===>  twenty cents

        ten shilling note  ==>  one dollar note
        one pound note     ==>  two dollar note
        five pound note    ==>  ten dollar note

The colours of the decimal notes were similar to the pound equivalent.

Halfpennys, farthings, and pennys were withdrawn very quickly as I recall.
Sixpences, shillings and florins were around for a few years.

  >  Was there any special reason why Australia and NZ both changed the
  >names of their currency while the UK did not?

There was talk of changing to the "Austral" or the "Royal" (courtesy of one
R. Menzies esq) but nothing came of it.
The "new pence" idea was inspired. So the brits did it without changing 
the name.

  
"SO BE PREPARED FOLKS WHEN THE COINS BEGIN TO MIX ON THE 14th OF FEBUARY 1966.."
-- 
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