Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 17:22:57 EDT
From: Beng L. Ung <BEUBB@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: To all you weenies....
 <1992Apr6.203940.7622@athena.mit.edu>
 <1992Apr7.225752.4575@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>
 <1992Apr7.194329.1683@athena.mit.edu>


In article <1992Apr7.194329.1683@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor
Aazizam Mohd Aasif) says:
>
>In article <1992Apr7.225752.4575@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>
>chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr6.203940.7622@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor
>Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>>
>>>      My advice to these people: go to a library and get yourself a
>>>book, and read!  The largest contributors of CO2 are the developed
>>>nations.  Try to see whether they are doing everything they can to
>>>reduce their own CO2 emissions.  Easiest case: the US.  Is Bush doing
>>>anything in his power to curb this problem?  Then, ask yourself
>>>whether the ocean or the jungle is the primary oxygen-resupplier.
>>
>>This is the same ignorance as that exhibited by the PM in his speech.
>>The main topic seems to be global warming due to CO2 etc.  However,
>>the real issue here is the loss of the rain forrest.
>
>        You have shown your naiveness by the above statement.  Why
>should the world be concerned with *our* rain-forests?  Why?  There
>must be a reason to it.  Yes, because according to these people,

Unless someone like you can patch the hole in the ozone layer getting
as big as Alaska.

>rain-forests are an excellent medium to fighting global warming.
>These countries always relate global warming to our rain-forests, but
>forget that the best solution to it is by curbing CO2 emissions.  You,

Best solution is definitely curbing CO2.  But that isn't the only
cause of global warming.  You know how to give a solution and you
should learn how to accept a solution, too.  Reducing logging
is a solution.


>on the other hand, has alleged that these countries are concerned
>about our rain-forests because they hate losing them, and not having
>them in this world.  If this is the case, why not they replant the
>rain-forests somewhere and treat it like an endangered species?
>
>        You can include yourself as another totally clueless guy who
>jumps on the bandwagon without knowing the issue at hand.
>

Plant a rain-forest somewhere else?  You must be kidding me.
Maybe I can do it in my backyard someday.

>>Global warming
>>is only one consequence of losing our rain forest.  FYI (and the
>>library can tell you more), every loging operation always results in
>>the loss of plant and animal species from the rain forest.  Sometimes,
>>the species got extinct even before science had a chance to discover it.
>>This is a GREAT loss to mankind.
>
>        Who is more important: animals or humans?  Logging is the
>third biggest money-earner for our country.  If that means we should
>lose a couple of animal species, I don't think there is anything wrong
>with it.  Unless you are one of those people who values animals more
>than you value humans...
>

Both.  Loosing animals isn't important huh, you egotistical a**hole.
I bet some rat bit you when you were a child.  Be aware that curbing
both CO2 emmision and logging will have long term benefits to our
little planet.  Be nice.

>>It is a proven fact that there are
>>many plants in the rain forest that have medicinal value.  If we lose
>>one species, we lose the chance to study it for its medicinal value.
>>Who knows, it might even be able to cure AIDS.  So take your own
>>advice.  Go to the library and read up about the rain forest before
>>discussing anymore.
>
>        Come on...  All these countries that ask us to stop logging do
>not give a jackshit about all the excuses that you have spewed forth
>so far.  What they are interested in, and have been campaigning all
>this time is that rainforest is a good oxygen supplier, and therefore,
>is a good system to fight global warming.  Open your eyes, and do go
>to a library and check what their objection to our logging is.  It is
>not because of the poor-animals and they are concerned with, it is
>global warming...
>

Not only our rain forest, but all rain forests still alive today is a
good supplier of oxygen.  If you curb logging, don't you save the animals
too, at the same time?  Therefore, the three concerns of curbing logging
are to save the world, the natives, and the animals.

>>>      I am a better person now.
>>
>>Self praise is no praise.
>
>        Not when you are telling the truth....
>

But no one here believes you.  So it's still a lie.


>>>I can see clearly how some people
>>>are borned with "Anti-Government" gens and will bend over backwards to
>>>criticize the Malaysian government no matter what!
>>
>>There is nothing wrong with being anti-govt or criticising the govt.
>>If the govt is wrong, we have a right to criticise it.  If we don't
>>like the policies of the govt, we have the right to be against it.
>
>        Yes, but the government is not wrong on this logging issue.
>We are within our rights to cut whatever trees we want because those
>are our trees.
>

We are within the right not to be selfish and care for the human race
(animals included) as a whole.

>===------
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif
>The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
>promised to take our land and they took it.
>                                                        Red Cloud

Everybody makes mistakes and now they are paying for it.  I hope we,
Malaysian don't have to do that in future.

ps. It's not nice to tell someone to go to Hong Kong, Singapore or Taiwan.
    You would want someone to critize you too, right?