HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: westy@tellabs.com (Mark Westmeyer)
Subject: Looking for Bill of Sale Template
Organization: Tellabs, Lisle, IL
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:11:04 GMT

I am planning on selling a car next week.

I need a Bill of Sale, and have heard there was a good one
in this newsgroup at one time.

Please post, or send to:
westy@tellabs.com
or 
tellab5!tellabs.com!westy@uunet.UU.NET

Thanks in advance.
-Mark

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: Extoic sightings
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 18:28:05 GMT

In article 1bm238INN88t@bigboote.WPI.EDU, damong@manyjars.WPI.EDU (Damon Francis Gentile) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.232659.25416@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA writes:
>>In article 1bk6ikINN1s6@bigboote.WPI.EDU, beuf@wpi.WPI.EDU (Richard J Fuller) writes:
>
>>>        6 . ) Caddilac Alante'
>
>>6) Italo-American Bullshit
>
>how do you get italian out of a cadialac ?
>
>
The body is made in Italy. Only RWD monsters are true Cadillacs,BTW.

Andreas. 



Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: Big or Small,was FWD or RWD: Which is
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 18:40:02 GMT

In article 4228@ctp.com, bpita@ctp.com (Bob Pitas) writes:

>And how often in the winter do you see pigs stuck on the side of the road?
>Can you say 'Never'?  There's a reason for that.  Big cars are better in
>the snow because they have the weight to either push their tire-tread-blocks
>through to pavement, or compress the snow hard enough to create tread-
>block-shaped hardpack under the tires.  The key factor here is the amount
>of weight on the drive wheels of the car.  Heavy RWDs have lots of weight
>on all 4 tires, so they will usually have better traction than smaller
>cars.  And the argument about big cars having more inertia to overcome is
>bullshit, because the cars were built with great big engines to overcome
>this inertia in the first place.  AWD small cars have alright traction
>because they have the engine block over the drive wheels to provide weight
>and therefore traction.  RWD small/light cars like mine SUCK in the snow
>because they have NO weight over the drive wheels, and big tires make it
>worse, because they cause the tires to float over the top of the snow.
>Floating over the top of the snow is NOT desireable at all, since then
>you have nothing substantial for the tread-blocks to grab...

You got that right. I challenge you in your Mustang to an ICE RACE
against me in my Firebird provided we get rid of our GATORBACKS and
run 195/80/R14 M+S's. Sound like a good time?

Any Lake accessible by road that freezes in Canada, and You're on!!!

Andreas. 

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: '93 Probe vs. Celica
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:13:01 GMT

shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu (David S. Shy) writes:
>>
>>The 6 cyl engine is a FORD product, not Mazda.

>Really!  I thought the engine was the Mazda 1.8L version blown
>up to a 2.5 L version.  At least that's what C&D said... (maybe
>it's assembled by Ford or something... but the engineering?)

Someone told via Flame-Mail that I was incorrect in my statement.
I was going just by what the FORD SalesDroid told me.  I guess I'll
look into it further because I'm interested too.


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Subject: Re: Corrado SLC or 325is?
Organization: clearer than blir
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:06:45 GMT

In article <1bh9saINNkvg@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> humpty@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Daniel Ong) writes:
>>Today I saw what I thought was a 4 door maroon colored BMW 325i.  It
>>wasn't until I came up close that I realized it was the latest Honda
>>Civic.  This is the side view that I'm talking about.  Has this
>>happened to anybody else?

>Hey Elliot,
>        wake up and smell the coffee! It occured to me that a 4-dr BMW
>looks like a 2-dr BMW, but a civic to a BMW, GET REAL! Not anyone from
>Australia or even Germany would beleive you that or is it some eye
>problem? ASK FOR A GOOD DOCTOR! YOU NEED A GOOD ONE! 

The doctor says that I am fine and free of car bigotry and prejudice.
Both he and I have had several strong expressos today as well.  In
fact the doctor told me that he thinks that BMW copied the new Civic's
styling.  hyeh hyeh hyeh hyeh hyeh hyeh hyeh


eliot


From: almanb@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Bob Alman)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:44:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Petro Jelly on terminals
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: Im going to be sick...
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:55:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.165625.16735@bnr.ca> dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton) writes:

>Doesn't the U.S. have a Constitution guaranteeing individual rights?

Well, like so many other things, what "is" and "should be" are two different
things. Didja see the Rodney King beating, and the aftermath, for example?
I still "can't" live in certain neighborhoods.

	-Kenny
-- 
Kenneth R. Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
	    "Motor oil?!?! <splut> YOU GAVE ME MOTOR OIL?!?!"
From: squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk (Stephen Quigg)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Corrado SLC or 325is?
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:48:20 GMT
Organization: BT Glasgow Systems and Software Engineering Centre, Scotland.


-- JASON WRITES :
>>"Hey Elliot ,wake up ...etc...."

Honda have just announced a 2 door civic coupe ,and IT IS NIGH NEAR
IDENTICAL TO A 3 Series coupe from the side/three quarters view..

You sure are out of touch Jason , so think before you flame !!


Stephen Quigg
squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk 
British Telecom , GSSEC , Glasgow
(Nothing in any of my mail represents my Employer in any way)
From: jhansen@convex.com (James Hansen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Paint on Chrysler's LH(Last Hope) models
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:14:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.jhansen.718560888
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <7740229@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli) writes:

>What is the status of the LH anyway ? Are they out to dealers yet
>or are they still in the testing stage ?

I saw an Eagle Vision sitting in my credit union parking lot yesterday.

--
James B. Hansen                                  {sun,uunet}!convex!jhansen
CONVEX Computer Corporation                              jhansen@convex.com
3000 Waterview Parkway, P. O. Box 833851
Richardson, TX 75083-3851                              Phone: (214)497-4802
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii)
Subject: Re: Gas mileage and gas cap seal
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:04:11 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Diane MacMartin (mdm@bnr.ca) wrote:
: Could anyone verify/disprove the following - that is, is this just our
: imagination, or is it real?
: 
: We had found that the gas mileage on the first half of the gas tank on
: our 1981 Subaru (in 1981, that is) was way better than the second half. 
:  We assumed that our gas gauge was non-linear but we kept track of the
: distance travelled, type (highway/city) and amount of gas used, and
: discovered that, indeed, our gas mileage varied whether the tank was
: partially empty.  (If anything, we supposed the weight of the full gas
: tank would make us get worse gas mileage!)
: 
: We were told that the vacuum created when the gas was consumed was
: reducing our mileage, so we slit the rubber on the gas cap to allow air
: to enter the tank.  Much to our surprise, we got better gas mileage on
: the second half!

I don't have any experience with Subaru's but it sounds like your tank
vapor management system is not working properly.

: Now we are finding that our 1992 Toyota Previa minivan is exhibiting the
: same symptoms.  Before we mangle the gas cap on this vehicle, could
: anyone support our findings, or was it a case of wishful thinking?  Is
: the fact that these are both Japanese cars significant?

Sounds pretty coincidental if it is the case.  Your Previa should be fuel
injected with at least 1 pump in the tank.  Vacuum in the tank should not
affect a system like that.

Wes Fujii

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Wes Fujii               *           JAPANESE BUSINESS MOTTO           *
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Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers
From: klb@hela.iti.org (Karen L. Boynton)
Subject: Tires for Van
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:10:57 GMT


Hi everyone,

I need to replace the tires on my parents GMC '88 Starcraft Van. 
The van currently has Uniroyal Tiger Paw Plus P225/75R15 (M+S),
TPC Spec 1035MS on it.

Should I just replace those tires with the same ones or does anyone
have any experience with other tires that would be a better choice?
Their primary concern is low noise, ride comfort, good for dry and
wet traction.

I'd appreciate your help.    Please E-mail me your responses.
Thanks a lot.

Karen Boynton
klb@iti.org
From: walkerr@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Robert A Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Two articles on seat belts
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:12:16 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In article <26366@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) writes:

>What the heck does Mass. have to do with it? (BTW, nice humor there!:)

Well if ya live here, you would know that the insurance I pay every year is
worth more than my vehicle is. Well my bakc up vehicle anyway.


>I'm talking about in general. Cars of this vintage are quite rare, and
>can be considered more of an extreme exception than any normal every
>day type occurrance. 

Try driving a Jeep and see how long it is until the place were the seat
belts bolt to the floor rusts through or until they break, but your right


(wrt accidents) AS for the third light, I thought
>originally they were horrible also, but after driving in Europe last
>year, I decided that they really are a desirable item, as you can see
>them through one or two cars (another reason to ban pick-ups and vans:).

BAN PICKUPS AND VANS,  NO way,  Your much safer in a pick up or a van than
a little rice burning Jap car.  When I drive I like to have some serious 
metal around me just in case.  Comes in handy when the drunk guy that goes
head on with you is driving a honda or a nissan or a Geo Metro



>Well, first off, there are always exceptions. Secondly, the cases where
>a seat belt will actually cause an injury or death where lack of one
>would have prevented it are less than 2% of all accidents. I'd call
>your friend stupid, personally. 

Me Too since he is driving a Camaro that does 180 mph

I'd side with the 98% odds any time.
>(BTW, my sister also survived an accident because she went through the
>windshield instead of having her head chopped off.) But those accidents
>are fairly rare, and by no means would I drive without one, as around
>here you have idiots crossing freeways and causing head-on collisions.
>I've seen <that's right, seen> people die because they were impaled
>on the steering wheel or broke their necks when they were ejected from
>the car because they failed to wear their seat belts.

	I like to wear my seatbelt, but I think that if someone hits you
weather or not your wearing your seatbelt then they should pay for it.
How about making drunk driving laws stricter, as in not letting people
leave bars drunk, since this is a major cause of fatal accidents, much
more so than someone just being stupid.  Also what about all the air
bags and stuff, how about an air bag that fills the whole interior of
the car, that way the person is engulfed in a cushion of air bags and
really couldn't get hurt.  Now that sounds liek fun.
From: awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (ClarkKent)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: SHO owners?
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:39:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Hey all you Taurus SHO owners.  I'd like to email w/ you about
some questions/ideas I have.  Email me if you'd care
to share wisdom/experiences.  I'm not a SHOwner, but have some
questions/experiences I'd like to relate.  I'm at

awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

Adam Edwards
From: lps@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Lawrence P. Schnitzer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ethanol ? Good for the Environment but good for our cars?
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:10:17 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo / CEDAR Research Group
Originator: lps@fomalhaut.cs.buffalo.edu


In article <Bw6Lu4.DIL@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, djm48887@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dan Moisson) writes:
|> I have read some things about the use of 10% ethanol in our
|> cars.  I know it burns more complete and therefore at a hotter temperature
|> but does this hurt our cars?  I have heard of cars getting fried from 
|> the use of 10% ethanol.  Like Quad 4 engines not running worth shit
|> and valve stems getting bent all the way to cracked heads?  Please Comment?!?
|>  
Actually, I've heard that ethanol use is not recommended for cars in cities
with bad smog problems.  I don't remember the details, but apparently the gas
and ethanol mixture is worse for the environment in that situation than just gas.
Of course, this conclusion was based on one study.  I'm sure there are other
studies that disagree with this claim. (like studies sponsored by corn farmers ;)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,chi.wanted,chi.forsale,uchi.forsale,misc.forsale
From: nwc1@quads.uchicago.edu (Einstuerzende Neubauten)
Subject: Whistler 680 for sale $90/BO
Keywords: radar, detector
Reply-To: nwc1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Beaver Consulting Co.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:01:06 GMT

Whistler 680 TriBand for sale. Used once- like that matters. I drove from
Boston to Chicago in one day, and decided to be safe. Since I shall be in
Chicago from now on, I won't be using it much/at all. Please take it off my
hands and get yourself a deal.

Receives X, K, and Ka bands. Worked for me (no tickets). Still have packing
materials, I suppose, and didn't use the velcro. I should also have the
warranty card and stuff like that.

Please reply to me at nwc1@midway.uchicago.edu or 312.702.4605. I have seen
this detector for $110 in some places, but I bought it for $107. Feel free
to make an offer. Thanks.


-- 
N.W. Choe
nwc1@midway.uchicago.edu
nwchoe@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Beaver Consulting Co. Chicago
From: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM (John Fox - SunExpress IR)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Why not a Taurus SHO Wagon??
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:59:56 GMT
Reply-To: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: hooksett.east.sun.com

In article 2013@pencom.com, stecz@pencom.com (John Steczkowski) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.213347.10399@osf.org> kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)  
>writes:
>> Re: SHO wagons and why not, citing hurting the image of the car w/a wagon:
>> 
>> >In article <1992Oct8.012318.26186@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
>> >...audi 200 quattro station wagon.
>> 
>> >In article 1343@morrow.stanford.edu, ari@leland.Stanford.EDU
>> (Ari Ollikainen) writes:
>> >...Not to mention the Volvo TURBO wagons...
>> 
>> In article <1b1b29INNlad@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>
>> jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM writes:
>> >Keep on going, I'll tell you when you've found a valid comparison. :-)
>> 
>> Amen to that! The thought of the typical two-hander wagon crowd with >200hp
>> so they can "go fast" scares the shit outta me.
>> 
>
>An SHO Wagon would make a terrific tow vehicle for my formula car!
>
>--
>  John Steczkowski                        stecz@pencom.com
>Are you truly willing to take the risk of being severely
>or even fatally injured just for the thrill of roadracing?
>- As Quoted from New Rider Information Booklet of the CMRA


Nah, not enough low-end grunt. Get an 8.

John
From: siqif@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Siqi Fan)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:51:38 GMT
Subject: Re: SHO owners?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

Hi SHO owners:

I am not SHO owner neither. But I want to learn something about it as a
potential buyer.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: yavo@sdosrv1.gvl.unisys.com (Steve Yavorski)
Subject: Re: subtle question on Nissan ALTIMA
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: Paramax Systems, Ivyland, PA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:48:21 GMT

In article <5369@sumax.seattleu.edu> smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu (Steven A. Morris) writes:
>Does the new ALTIMA have a small badge on the rear that says STANZA ?
>
>Still with the identity problem NISSAN has had I was surprised that
>they would label the car with the STANZA name.... or did they?

There have been a few different responses to this post.  The way I heard
it (I think I read it in "Automotive Week") another company laid claim
to the ALTIMA name.  Litigation ensued, NISSAN won, but because of the
time frame of the decision, NISSAN was required to keep the STANZA badge
on the car.  I do not believe that they wanted to do this.

Stephen Yavorski			internet - yavo@ivy.unisys.com
NEXRAD Integration			phone    - (215) 443 - 7500
Paramax Systems Corporation
Ivyland, Pennsylvania
From: james@koko.csustan.edu (Jonas Grumpy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Whats a Geo Metro (explained)
Date: 7 Oct 92 05:16:43 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

In article <1992Oct6.175906.28961@hubcap.clemson.edu> michaet@hubcap.clemson.edu (michael dale townsend) writes:
>james@koko.csustan.edu (Jonas Grumpy) writes:
>
>>This summer I saw an accident where a late model Metro was rear ended by
>>a late model Camry or taurus. The sedan had light damage to the bumber and
>>no visible deformation to the hood or fenders. The metros' rear bumber was
>>where the backs of the front seats was. I just hope there was no one in the
>>back seats. Have any of you noticed that this car has no crumple zone?
>>-- 
>>C MYSIG  ASIG4U 1RADSIG 2BADSIG SIG U 2     U R SIG   1SIGDOG    ADOTSIG
>
>>Vanity .sigs, now only $35     
>
>What about Geo Metro vs.  1970 Olds 98?
>Michael
>
Can you say TOTAL CARNAGE!!!!!!! I would rather drive a pinto with a swing
axle and a aircooled engine with perforated heat exchangers before I drive
a metro.
-- 
C MYSIG  ASIG4U 1RADSIG 2BADSIG SIG U 2     U R SIG   1SIGDOG    ADOTSIG

Vanity .sigs, now only $35
From: rotheroe@convex.com (Dave Rotheroe)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Engine additives....which is best? Slick 50,...
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:31:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.rotheroe.719011908
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>> Here's some advice for all you people who think you need Slick 50,
>> DuraLube, et al.  Change you oil and filter every 3000 miles, more
>> in the winter if you live in the north, use a quality oil and filter,
>> and forget the $25 can of garbage.

>Has anyone gotton good results from using the oil additives? That is, for
>someone who changes the oil every 3k.

Several months bought a used Caprice wagon from an older couple to replace
my old Ford truck (235,000 miles on the same engine and transmission with no
repairs - it runs fine, but is getting a little weak for long distance
hauling).  I keep exact records of everything done to all my vehicles.
After establishing a baseline for a couple of months, including several long
trips both with and without a trailer, I added one of the generic engine
treatments to the wagon at oil change time.  I was surprised to see an
immediate, noticable increase in fuel economy, power, and coasting drag
resistance (yes, it was noticable - hills I always slowed down on with my
foot off the gas I was now always acceleration down).  After about 2000
miles, of the same driving conditions, I find that my fuel economy has
increased by a shocking 23%!  Previously in my truck I had noticed about a
10% decrease the first time I added some, then about 5% thereafter (I added
about every 50,000 miles).

From personal experience, I believe these products quickly pay for themselves
in fuel and maintaince savings.  I do change my oil every 3000 miles (or less
when hauling a trailer), but use whatever name brand oil and filter is on
sale.

==================================================================8--<
Dave Rotheroe                rotheroe@convex.com              DoD#0045
CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, TX 75083-3851, (214) 497-4512

PS - if anyone wants a used '80 Ford PU with lots of lifetime warantee
parts real cheap, let me know :-)
From: cschweis@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (schweiss lester h)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Leaded gas and older engines
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:57:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw6t7z.GK4
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


	Replacing valve seats is only the start to fully convert a car 
designed to run on leaded gas.  Lead not only lubricated the valve seat 
(it actually acted like a padding), it lubricated the valve stems, and
reduced heat transfer to the valve itself.  Because of the loss of 
lubrication and heat insulation other works is also needed.  On cars
with cast iron heads bronze-silicon valve guides should be install, since
cast iron heads used simply an accurate bore through the cast iron to serve
as a valve guide.  Without lead the valve and guide will wear faster than
normal.  Because of extra heat transfer that will be incured, polyurethane
valve stem seals should be installed.  The rubber seals almost always used
in lead burning cars will quickly harden and crack off (I know this from
experiance).  
	Another more economical solution is adding actuall lead to your gas.
This is currenly the protection method I am using in my '66 Mustang, until 
I can afford to do the head work which I described.  
	The lead I use can be purchased from Stone Oil Co.,  P.O. Box 345,
Statesboro, GA  30458.  They sell Lead Supreme 130, at $18.95 per gallon.
This is mixed at 1 ounce per gallon.  This ratio will raise octane 2 points,
and provide the lead required to protect your valves.  
	I have tried lead substute products with poor results.  The 
seats and stems were protected to some degree but heat transfer was a 
significant problem.  Within 10,000 miles the new rubber seals that 
were installed during a rebuild were hardened and cracked off.  I found 
them in the oil pan!  This happened on two different '66 Mustangs which I
owned.  After the second time, I started investing in the real lead.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mvjohnso@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL VICKER JOHNSON)
Subject: Re: newsgroup for 4x4 trucks?
Originator: mvjohnso@c00410-313mn.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: mvjohnso@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL VICKER JOHNSON)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:29:29 GMT


I would most definately like a 4x4 newsgroup!
Don't have, but would like to read recommendations
on 4x4's!

Mike 
Newsgroups: rec.autos