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From: jle@fc.hp.com
 (Jer/ Eberhard)
Subject: Re: Ski Resorts
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 22:20:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Workstation Kernel, Ft. Collins, CO
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Doug Bloomberg (doug@alliant.com) wrote:
> 
> 	In case you get tired of the little bumps in the East for skiing,
> 	Aspen, Colorado  has a strip at the edge of town. Alt  7850', 7,000'
> 	long, controlled, with radar.

And, the MEA is 14,000MSL with a decision height of 10,200 to an airport
at 7815MSL with a runway length of 7003 (Source:  Nov 8-91 Jepp chart).

> 	Steamboat Springs, has an airport nearby, Hayden (Yampa Valley)
> 	Alt 6602', 10,000' long. Unicom 122.8.

Hayden, CO (Yampa Valley, HDN) has nearby MEAs of 10000MSL and 13000MSL,
decision height of 6837MSL to an airport at 6602MSL with a runway length
of 10,000.

There is also the Stamboat Springs STOLport (Adams Airport, SBS), two
miles from Steamboat, which does not have an instrument approach.

> 	Beware there are a couple airports listed on the sectionals near
> 	Steamboat Springs and Vail shown as STOLports. You had better
> 	believe it, because then will not let you fly your plane out of 
> 	them if you should land at a stolport. (You have to remove the 
> 	wings and truck it out)

Actually, only the AVON STOLport has the fly-it-in-truck-it-out problem.
It is a private airport and you can't get permission to operate there
anyway.

Anyone coming to Colorado and wanting to fly in the mountains, I highly
recommend the Colorado Pilot's Association - Mountain Flying Course.
(Contact Bill Standerfer of CPA: bills@hpisla.lvld.hp.com)
This course teaches the minimum to be safe on a good day in the
mountains.  A two-hour "mountain checkout" is just pushing your luck for
an early grave.

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Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: cohler@vxcrna.cern.ch (Mike Cohler)
Subject: Re: Flying flea info wanted
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:11:00 GMT

In article <87330007@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, mtc@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Mark Cousins) writes...
>In rec.aviation.misc, ron@etch-eshop.Berkeley.EDU (Ronald Viegelahn) writes:
> 
>> I'm looking for some information on an airplane named
>>" HM290, Flying Flea ". The plans & a kit are marketed
>>by a Canadian Co. Falconar Ltd of Edmonton, Alberta.
>>
>> What I'm looking for is opinions/pros cons whatever on this
>>unusual design. This aircraft is a staggered wing bipe? type
>>who's attitude is controlled by pivoting the forward most wing
>>witch is mounted higher that the rear wing/stablizer. There is
>>no conventional stablizer/elevator. No airlerons just rudder.

Be very wary before starting out on such a venture... the flying flea
is NOT CERTIFYABLE in the UK..  ie it is IMPOSSIBLE to get a certificate
of airworthiness, because of its terrible flight characteristics.  A number
of pilots were killed mainly by getting into unrecoverable stalls, before
the UK CAA withdrew all C of A's on this aircraft.. here in the UK the
Flying Flea is a museum piece only, and cannot be flown.   I know there
are modern canard designs which are flying, but these are much more
sophisticated designs, and have little in common with the original 
Flying Flea design.
Mike

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Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: raveling@Unify.com (Paul Raveling)
Subject: Re: CHP AIRCRAFT & SPEEDERS
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 19:15:01 GMT

In article <75848@apple.apple.COM>, stadler@Apple.COM (Andy Stadler) writes:
> 
...
> Here's the deal.  Who's writing the ticket?  Hint:  Have you ever seen a 
> black-and-white 182 swoop down and land on I-80?  No.  The ticket it written
> by an officer in a cruiser.  I always figured it worked this way.  182 is 
> putting along watching the cars.  Looks down and sees a red IROC-Z moving
> obviously faster than all of the other cars.  Radios car waiting at next
> exit - "there's a red Camaro about to scream by you."

	I **think** this is at least their preferred MO, but did once
	encounter someone who was ticketed by a bear in the air (near
	Twenty-nine Palms) without help from the ground.  The ticket
	arrived in the mail at a later date.  The State Police Scout
	that I'd seen pacing cars (mine included) on Mojave Desert roads
	was definitely operating without a partner on the ground.

	While I've lived in Sacramento, where the CHP does a lot of training,
	such operation use the air plus ground-bound cruiser technique.
	They usually set up shop on a freeway section that gets
	cross-country traffic enroute to or from Sacramento, using
	8 or 10 black & whites & 1 airplane.  The cruiser count is
	my estimate, not known fact.  I have no idea whether they
	claim the official pacing comes from the air or the ground.
 

------------------
Paul Raveling
Raveling@Unify.com
From: stephens@access.digex.com (John Stephens)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: Ski Resorts
Date: 1 Jan 1993 19:12:21 GMT
Organization: Severn Companies, Inc., Lanham, MD 20706
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

In article <barnett.725832931@convex.convex.com> barnett@convex.com (Paul Barnett) writes:
>
>I don't know if this counts, but there is a ski resort in Champion,
>PA, southeast of Pittsburgh, that has an airport (7SP) on the top of
>the mountain.  "Wouldn't be prudent" to land short or overrun the
>runway: there are nearly sheer dropoffs at each end.  About 3000 feet
>long, 45 feet wide.
>
>There's an instrument approach using the VERY nearby Indianhead (IHD?)
>VOR, but I think the MDA is really high... about 1000 feet AGL.
>
>I've only been there in June.  It might be closed in the winter.
>--
 
7SP is Seven Springs, which certainly does offer skiing in the
winter, and golf in the summer.  Unfortunately for flying skiers,
7SP is closed Dec. 1 to Apr. 15. Too bad.

I landed there once in the summer -- the dropoff at the end is
spectacular.  Also spectacular is the windshear that you can get
there, also "potholes" on takeoff and climbout!!  The nearest
all-year-round airport to Seven Springs is Somerset County (2G9).
It is about 20 miles away.  It also serves Hidden Valley, which is
another ski/golf resort a bit closer than 7-springs.


Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: braner@trantor.emba.uvm.edu (Moshe Braner)
Subject: WeatherMan
Summary: whatisit?
Organization: University of Vermont, EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 12:52:37 GMT

On Am Weather recently they've been advertising a $25 piece of
software called Weather Man, with which one can obtain weather
info by calling a toll-free number (with a modem).

Does anybody know what is this all about?  Is it just a terminal
emulation program for calling DUAT, or is there more to it?

- Moshe
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Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: wilcox@mpr.ca (Chris Wilcox)
Subject: Re: Surviving a Commercial Aircraft Accident
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 04:06:16 GMT

Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Keywords: 

Although I live just across the border in Canada, I do all of my 
flying in the US.  Can anyone please tell me whether the new
rules on having seatbelts and shoulder harnesses in place for
all on board specifically insists on the shoulder harness for
the PIC too?  There always used to be an exemption in the FARs
I seem to remember which allowed the PIC to forego the shoulder
harness if it interfered with his/her ability to operate the
aircraft.  In some of the larger single-engine Cessnas, in the
days before they made the shoulder harnesses inertia-feed, I used
to choose to take advantage of that exemption because I felt it
made it difficult for me to lean forward and spot traffic--even
with the belt reasonably loose.  Am I now prohibited from flying
with just the lap belt even in these circumstances?

Thanks.,,,

Chris Wilcox (wilcox@mprgate.mpr.ca)


Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris)
Subject: Re: Surviving a Commercial Aircraft Accident
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:40:39 GMT

ron@topaz.bds.com (Ron Natalie) writes:

> [ discussion of the standard airline pre-flight safety briefing for pax ]

>Has anybody ever noticed that the card in the seat pocket tells you that if
>you're blind and can't operate the exit not to sit in the exit row.  Just
>what good does providing this information in printed form serve?

Remember the "blind" does not imply "totally unable to perceive light".
A person may be legally blind and might be able to read a document by
using Coke-bottle lenses and holding the page one inch from his or her
nose.  Such passengers could be likely to greatly hinder evacuation if
they are seated in the exit row.  Supposedly a totally blind passenger
would be obvious to the cabin attendants who would move them to another
seat.

Joe Morris
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From: an3955@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Heard on the air
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: rec.aviation.misc
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:58:51 GMT



Another gem from Compuserve:


Gary


#: 347026 S16/Hangar Flying
    24-Dec-92  11:25:30
Sb: #On the Air
Fm: Ward Miller [POU] 72460,2450
To: ALL

Today, we are having gusts to 70 kts at ground level, so you can
imagine
what this WNW wind is like on the lee side of the Adirondacks
mountains.

NY Approach:  Commuter, hold at the SHAFF intersection - EFC xxx (plus
30
	      minutes).

Commuter:     Okay, we get the Shaft for 30 minutes.

NY Approach:  (A little later) Commuter, cleared to the HELON
intersection
	      (even closer to the mountains), hold as published - EFC
	      xxx
	      (plus 20 minutes).

Commuter:     Okay, we pull out the Shaft...and got to HELL...on.


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From: foonberg@aero.org (Alan M. Foonberg)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc,rec.aviation.ifr
Subject: Re: solving a great circle problem
Date: 29 Dec 1992 05:21:26 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: altair.aero.org

OK, assuming a spherical earth, represent points on the earth in the
form ru where r is the radius (of the earth) and u is a unit vector.
If ru1 and ru2 are two points on the sphere, the distance between them
measured along the circumference is r*(angle of separation), and the
cosine of the angle separating two unit vectors is just the dot product.
 
So, we have this algorithm:
 
1.   Change lat-lons to unit vectors using
        u = (cos lat cos lon, cos lat sin lon, sin lat)
 
2.   Find the angle separating two unit vectors u = (u1,u2,u3) and
v = (v1,v2,v3) as theta = arccos(u1v1 + u2v2 + u3v3)
 
3.   scale by the earth radius: dist = r theta

Nice and straightforward, eh?

Alan
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From: jac@asns.tredydev.unisys.com (Judy Cadmus)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: BE-18 crash in Baltimore
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:03:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Unisys Corporation, Tredyffrin Engineering Offices

I recently heard the sad news about a Beech 18 that crashed while flying the
ILS 15 (I think) into BWI a few weeks ago.  According to my friend, who is a
captain for a commuter airline, the BE-18 was cleared for the approach, ahead
of my friend, who was also cleared for the same approach, behind the BE-18.
Apparently, the approach controller handed the BE-18 off to the tower, to
which the BE-18 never responded.  It turned out that the BE-18 had crashed
somewhere on the final approach course.  The ceiling was estimated to be 
about 900', according to my friend.  

Has anyone else heard what might have happened?

-- 
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Skylane N42202                                  jac@asns.tredydev.unisys.com
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: matwesx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (William E. Sadler)
Subject: Re: Decathlons and spins
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:30:07 GMT

jrp@bohra.cpg.oz.au (John Pitman) writes:

>I have been told that Decathlons , once in a spin are difficult to recover
>from, or at least require flying out, rather than just neutralize controls and
>they come out by themselves. can anybody clarify/confirm/deny this assertion 
>please?

Jp,

The Decathalon I've flown (for spin training purposes, then for fun! :) was not
difficult to get out of the spins.  You couldn't let go of the controls and
expect to recover, but you could neutralize the stick, apply opposite rudder, 
and exit.  My instructor could come out of the spin facing which ever way he
wished, while I was happy just to stop the bloody thing.

Much Fun!

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Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: an3955@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Cuba rescue flight
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: rec.aviation.misc
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 03:37:13 GMT





I thought I would share this series of interesting public posts from
Compuserve's aviation forum..


Gary


#: 346100 S15/FAA Topics
    22-Dec-92  09:11:04
Sb: #Cuba Flight?
Fm: Rick Cordary 71565,166
To:  72130,3305 (X)

Hello Rick, I see that you are the person listed as having the FAA as
your
specialty in the forum.  I have a question for you.... The gentleman
who flew
from So. Florida yesterday to Cuba to rescue his family is being
treated like
a hero by the news media, even interviews with the President.  I wonder
if he
had a flight plan for his flight?  If he did does that mean that the
Unitedstates cooperated with the rescue?  If he did not file a plan why
is he
being applauded for his effort.  I can just imagine what would happen
to me if
I were to fly even to the Bahamas with no plan.  I will be interested
in your
reply.   Thanks, Rick Cordary


#: 346127 S15/FAA Topics
    22-Dec-92  10:10:17
Sb: #346100-#Cuba Flight?
Fm: Rick Cremer, FAA 72130,3305
To: Rick Cordary 71565,166 (X)

My response to a situation such as the one you cite is to remain silent
 because 1) I have no facts at hand from which I can formulate a
 response and
2) these types of occurences have very high international visibility
and I do
not believe that it would be appropriate for me to speculate on all the
"what-ifs" . Best Regards. Rick Cremer


#: 346354 S15/FAA Topics
    22-Dec-92  19:57:18
Sb: #346127-#Cuba Flight?
Fm: George W. Braly [ADH] 72311,556
To: Rick Cremer, FAA 72130,3305 (X)

And among your many, many other skills,  your are, sir, also a true
diplomat....


#: 346961 S15/FAA Topics
    24-Dec-92  08:12:39
Sb: #346621-#Cuba Flight?
Fm: Gary Picou [Avion RV] 71071,34
To: Terry Carraway 70441,2071 (X)

Newspaper account I saw said he passed through ADIZ without challenge.
Slightly embarassing to defense, but then we aren't looking for commies
any
more.


#: 347199 S15/FAA Topics
    24-Dec-92  17:50:17
Sb: #346961-#Cuba Flight?
Fm: Ross Russo 72457,2211
To: Gary Picou [Avion RV] 71071,34

Gary,

We had the 310 on radar, and since he didn't meet any threat profile,
he was
tagged as a friendly.

Ross


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From: geoff@peck.com (Geoff Peck)
Subject: Re: New tower at San Jose?
Organization: Geoffrey G. Peck, Consultant, San Jose CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 03:43:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.011809.5017@netcom.com> rosso@netcom.com (Ross Oliver)
writes:
> I stopped by the Jet Center at SJC today, and noticed that a new
> control tower has been built on the west side of the airport.
> Does anyone know the story on this?  Is the new tower a replacement
> for the existing one, or is SJC going to become a dual-tower
> field like Oakland?

The new tower on the southwest (Jet Center) side of the field will replace
the existing tower on the northeast (airline terminal) side of the field.
The new tower will give the ground controllers better visibility for air
carrier operations.  I believe that it is expected to go into operation
late this year (1993) or early next year (1994).  Although physical
construction is almost done, it takes a while to get all the electronics in
there and then to train the personnel.

						Geoff
From: Larry.Mc.Donald@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Needs some more training
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 23 Dec 92  11:00:04

From the Orange County Register, 23 December, 1992.
   Reprinted without permission, 'natch.


      PRIVATE PLANE WITH ENGINE PROBLEMS CRASHES ON STREET.

   BUENA  PARK  - A small private plane developed engine  trouble 
during takeoff from Fullerton Municipal Airport on Tuesday  night 
and crash-landed on Dale Street in Buena Park. 
   The  pilot  and  a passenger,  both  unidentified,   were  not 
injured, Fullerton police and Buena Park fire officials said. 
   The plane was described as an older-model Cessna. It had taken 
off and was heading east when it had apparently developed  engine 
problems, police said. 
   The  pilot  attempted to return to the runway when the  engine 
restarted  and he overshot,  hit a fence next to Dale Street  and 
landed in the street next to the airport, police said. 
   The  plane  sustained some damage and the firefighters had  to 
clean up fuel it spilled, fire officials said. 

___----------------------------CHOP------------------------------

   For a bit of background, Dale is the street at the west end of 
the airport, on its boundry. The fence he hit was the fence at 
the west end of the runway and is about 10 feet high (maybe).
   Draw your own conclusions.






... Larry.Mc.Donald, N6ZMB, Fullerton, California!  <cough, cough>
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Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: kerry@Ingres.COM (Kerry Kurasaki)
Subject: Re: ASRS CALLBACK # 162 (November, 1992)
Keywords: ASRS CALLBACK
Reply-To: kerry@Ingres.COM (Kerry Kurasaki)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:43:07 GMT

In article <jcmorris.725210536@mwunix> jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) writes:
>
>                     C   A   L   L   B   A   C   K
>
>              From NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System
>
>     Number 162                                      November 1992
>
>DIALING DILLIES
>
>Pay telephones (airfones) are being installed in increasing numbers for
>passenger use on commercial aircraft.  A recent ASRS report highlights
>one airfone use that we're sure aircraft operators never anticipated:
>
>*** After takeoff crew noted...no transponder received on left or right
>    by ATC and TCAS was inoperative.  While passing upwards through FL240
>    right pack trip "off" light illuminated, but reset was impossible
>    using irregular checklist.  This meant loss of pressurization capacity.
>    At FL300 loss of second pack was indicated by the left pack "off"
>    light -- also not resettable.  Captain directed First Officer to use
>    oxygen masks and initiated emergency descent.  ATC cleared aircraft to
>    FL240, then 15,000 feet, then 10,000 feet enroute back to airport.
>    Cabin pressurization reached 9500 feet but cabin oxygen masks never
>    actuated...
>
>    This flight was in sunny, dry conditions with no loss of controls or
>    engines...[Crew later discovered that] a passenger in first class used
>    airfone to call 911, Highway Patrol, and report aircraft out of control
>    and in danger of hitting a mountain.  In fact, aircraft was never in
>    danger of hitting anything, and except for initial pushover of nose
>    and actuation of speed bake to begin descent, operations were mostly
>    normal.
>
>/[explanation of 911 for international readers]/
>
>Some days you just can't win.

I believe that this ASRS was submitted by a CAP squadron member who
flies for Untied.  His response to the "incident" is that he now knows
where the circuit breaker (for the flite phones) is located.

Amended Emergency Checklist:  B-737

   1.  Flite phones - disabled.
   2.  etc.
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: masys@nlm.nih.gov (Dr. Daniel R. Masys)
Subject: Re: Ski Resorts
Organization: National Library of Medicine
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 19:05:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.140402.13087@talos.pm.com> vincent@talos.UUCP (Andy Vincent) writes:
>Does anyone know of any ski resorts on the east coast that have
>landing facilites (real) close by?

The closest by has got to be Sky Bryce, along the VA/WV border west of
Front Royal.  The airstrip is at the base of the main ski run--you can
ski to your plane!  VFR only, and don't be distracted as you fly the
approach down the valley with pine trees and condos looking down on your
plane from a few hundred feet away.  Sky Bryce is in Basye, VA.

Haven't gone there to ski, but had a pleasant cup of hot chocolate at
the lodge once.

Dan Masys
masys@nlm.nih.gov

Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: rosso@netcom.com (Ross Oliver)
Subject: New tower at San Jose?
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Distribution: ba
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 01:18:09 GMT

I stopped by the Jet Center at SJC today, and noticed that a new
control tower has been built on the west side of the airport.
Does anyone know the story on this?  Is the new tower a replacement
for the existing one, or is SJC going to become a dual-tower
field like Oakland?

Ross Oliver
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