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Date:         Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:01:20 EST
Reply-To:     Me <BIHINKLE@ECUVM1.BITNET>
From:         Me <BIHINKLE@ECUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Henkle

I would like to thank all those who participated in the interesting and amusing
discussion on the Henkle name, especially Jean Paul Rigaut who provided useful
information. Unfortunately, I had been unable to read my mail because of the
Holiday break. I'm a direct descendant of the Rev. Anthony Jacob Henckel, a
Lutheran missionary from Hesse.  If there are others out there who have a link
to this family, the address for the national association is:

                             Mrs. Nedra D. Brill
                             HQ USAE AFCENT
                             CMR 460  Box 483
                             APO AE 09703


Hope this will help somebody else.
                                                Thanks,
                                                Ashley Hinkle


P.S. It was spelled Henkle up until my stubborn grandfather didn't inherit the
family farm.  But as my father said, which seems to be our family motto, "It
doesn't matter how you spell it, as long as you pronounce it right."

       * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
       * Ashley J. Hinkle (Bihinkle@ECUVM1.Bitnet)           *
       *                                                     *
       * Amateur Genealogist, Molecular Biologist,           *
       * East Carolina Pirate, and Future Doctor.            *
       *                                                     *
       * Searching for: Henkle/Henkel/Henckel, McFarland,    *
       * Selvey, Davenport, Nixon, Barker, and admission to  *
       * UNC Chapel Hill School of Medicine.                 *
       *                                                     *
       * "I'm from NC, but I didn't vote for Jesse Helms"    *
       * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp)
Subject: Re: Counting Chromosomes
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:32:33 GMT

pkteagarden@bobcat.lmc.edu (Phil Teagarden) writes:
>Mathematically speaking it works like this:  You have approx. 1/2 of the 
>GENES of your parents and 1/4 of your grandparents, 1/8 of your great 
>grandparents.  A little calculation will soon reveal that after about 8 or 9 
>generations, you aren't much of them anymore!  This is good because sexual 
>reproduction makes sure that (evolutionarily speaking) this VARIATION 
>insures our survival! 

You got that right, Phil!

But 9 generations back is comprised of 2^9 or 512 people. So assuming
random mixing of genes, yes, only 1/512 of my genome on the average comes
from any one of those people, but taking 100,000 as the number of genes
then about 200 genes will come from each person. Not too shabby. You'd
have to go back something like 15 generations before it became likely
that a significant subset of that generation contributed no genes at all.
Like hey, maybe Nicholas Knapp (b. ca. 1600) and I share the same gene
that codes for, say, acetylgalactosaminyl transferase. :-) My respect 
for him has gone up immensely!

But random mixing can't be assumed either, I'm sure, since Jim Freed's
explanation (thanks Jim) stated that there are 1 to 6 fixed points on each
chromosome where it may split up and cross over, so some groups of genes
will move as a unit. And the sex chromosome case is interesting. Looks to me
like this genetic code is a big mess and it's time to do a top down
redesign.

---
Joe Knapp   jmk@cbvox.att.com
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:32:00 EST
Reply-To:     STEINER@MUPPET.DNET.GE.COM
From:         STEINER@MUPPET.DNET.GE.COM
Subject:      Allen Co. Library modem
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@vm1.nodak.edu

The following information was provided in a message on CompuServe's Genealogy
Forum:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                           How to Access the
                          Card Catalog of the
                          Allen County Public
                       Library in Fort Wayne, IN

To Access the Dial-Up Service you must first have a terminal that
emulates VT-100. It must be Hayes-compatible and use 1200Bps, 8 data
bits, 1 stop bit, No Parity and have a delete or backspace key.

The phone number is (219) 424-1330.

Once you have made a conection Press <Ctrl> o (letter O). This will
give you the welcome screen.  Select either Subject, Title, Author,
or Keyword by number (no <cr> is neccesary).  Type in your subject
and press return <cr>.

The codes to navigate through are as follows:
  Start Over <Ctrl>O
  Help       <Ctrl>Y
  Compose a search..C
  Next...N
  Previous Page...P
  Copy availability...C at full Record screen
  Brief reference...B at heading
  Browse screen search History...S
  Browse...<Ctrl>W
  Keyword...<Ctrl>K

There is no charge for this service except for any long distance
charges. The Allen Co. Library has a great Genealogy Dept.

Greg Anderson
71140.713@compuserve.com
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Counting Chromosomes
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:56:13 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <1993Jan11.223233.4530@cbnews.cb.att.com> jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:
>pkteagarden@bobcat.lmc.edu (Phil Teagarden) writes:
>>Mathematically speaking it works like this:  You have approx. 1/2 of the 
>.....
>But random mixing can't be assumed either....

What you have is a Markoff Process in which the present state is only
loosely coupled with the past. We know where we are, but we can only
know in the most general terms how we got here. Moreover, the most
pronounced feature of genes is that they interact -- so that the
particular mix that makes up the individual is vastly more important
than the sum of the parts. Some genes have a dramatic impact, and many
of these that we recognise are ominous -- like factor VIII deficiency
hemophilia or Huntington's chorea (Woody Gutherie's Disease). This
gives an excessive emphasis on the individual gene rather than on he
interplay. In a parallel manner, we found a bunch of vitamins and
hormones that stood out, but only now have we begun to realize the
astonishing extent of the chemical messaging system that binds the
workings of the body together.

It looks as if Arlo Gutherie didn't inherit his father's fatal gene..

be happy that only a few are chosen...

Tom
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: brekshyn@shearson.com (Bohdan Rekshynskyj)
Subject: Rubbings of tombstones
Reply-To: brekshyn@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:39:01 GMT

Greetings,

   I know this subject has been discussed before but I never read it, not thinking
I would ever need it (grumph!).  Could someone please post the fundamentals?  I'll
be making rubbing in Eastern Europe so I'll need to know what to take with me.
Also, any suggestions on searching for tombstones in a society which may not
know where what is where?  Thank you!


                                        Bohdan














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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:02:49 EST
Reply-To:     Chris Munnelly <munnelly@XYLOGICS.COM>
From:         Chris Munnelly <munnelly@XYLOGICS.COM>
Subject:      Re: Relationship: grand uncle NOT great uncle
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@vm1.nodak.edu

> The question on relationship terminology has been discussed, probably,
> for generations, with no "official body" if such is available, making
> a ruling.  Certainly among genealogists, it does appear that there is
> agreement that the children of my first cousin are first cousins once
> removed (NOT second cousins).  The question of relationship of the
> grandchild of an individual and that individuals sibling is not so clear.
... (some text deleted - I had no comment on Great vs Grand)
> parent line.  SO use whatever is choice, but be consistent, and if
> necessary, explain the relationships clearly in an example, if you
> are using the terms in a publication.
> --Jim Freed--

There is an "official body" that has described relationships to the
n-th degree.  That is the law profession when they deal with estates.
It is amazing how detailed relationships can be described in a
contested will situation.

I think you are off base with the children of first cousins being
once removed.  The relationship of children of first cousins is
second cousins.  The relationship of those children to the cousins
of their parents is first cousin once removed.  The idea is to pick
a common ancestor (choose a grand parent).  Now think of the
relationships as levels below that common point.  First level down
is siblings, second level is first cousins, third level down is
second cousins, fourth is third cousins, etc.  The "removed count"
is how many levels exist between the two people you are comparing.
For example, I want to find my relation to grandchild of my
great-great grandfather.  My grand father would be this persons first
cousin and I am two levels below him. Therefore, the relationship
is first cousin twice removed.

This concept is Illustrated beautifully in a book called "Unpuzzling
Your Past" by Emily Croom (I found it at my local bookstore).

- Chris

+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
  Christopher P. Munnelly           (munnelly@Xylogics.COM)
  Searching: Broderick, Cadogan, Carter, Casey, Curran, Leonard,
    McDonagh, McGlew, McLane, Monnelly, Munnelly, O'Connell, Ogden
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: mccombs@sumax.seattleu.edu (Mike McCombs)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: HOFFMASTER in Mich.
Date: 9 Jan 93 15:33:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: sumax.1iojfgINN2le
Distribution: na
Organization: Seattle University
NNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu

Seeking information on ancestors and siblings (and their descendents) of
Harvey Grant HOFFMASTER - born 28 Oct 1872 near Kalamazoo, Mich. The
surviving daughters can only agree on the following:
	Born at      : Hopkins, or other small town beginning with an "H"
	Father's name: Henry HOFFMASTER
	Mother's name: Unknown
	1st wife     : "Kate", with red hair - died of "rapid consumption"
	               (TB?) in Kalamazoo - no _known_ children
	Occupation   : Ran a laundry with an unknown partner in Kalamazoo
	Left Mich    : Wandered for a while at odd jobs, mostly farming
	               and water works in the SW - married my grandmother
		       in TX in 1919.

Details are sketchy for a great grandfather, but the family was busily
being torn up by the depression when he died. He apparently wasn't the
kind of man to talk much about the past. The family name is nearly ended
down this leg, and the surviving daughters are hoping to assure themselves
that its still going strong somewhere.

Details on descendents available in exchange.

Any assistance appreciated....

Mike McCombs
mccombs@sumax.seattleu.edu

____
   Always: MCCOMB, MCCOMBS, HOFFMASTER, GARRETT, COYLE, GURLEY, BENNETT
							              ____
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:44:12 -0600
From:         Cliff Manis <cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM>
Subject: GENEALOG: NEW Files
Comments: To: Genealogy Information <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU>

READERS:

Today - 8 January 1993, I downloaded the "magicgen.zip" file from
        Source of Magic BBS at 1-203-431-4687, which was mentioned in
        a previous message on this list.

  >>>    I understand the BBS is closing on 31 Jan 1993.     <<<

                        *   *   *   *

             GENEALOGY SOFTWARE FOR SEEKERS OF ROOTS
  Source of Magic BBS, Box 502, Ridgefield, CT., 203-431-4687 * 141/725 CM
         MAGICGEN.TXT and MAGICGEN.ZIP are in File Area 16.

I have just uploaded the following GENEALOG Files:

These two files contain only a listing of the Genealogical Files which are
now available on the Source of Magic BBS.

                                                                        Bytes
                                                                        =====
MAGICP1A    Source of Magic BBS file listing, part 1 of 2  (8 Jan 1993) 46465
MAGICP2A    Source of Magic BBS file listing, part 1 of 2  (8 Jan 1993) 42013

If you want of the files on the BBS, you should download your own using the
phone number listed above.


                These new - files are available now.

GENEALOG is an area on the LISTSERV computer which is used for storage
of many, many textual files which pertain to genealogy.

You may request a listing of the file be mailed to you by simply
sending the following line to: LISTSERV@vm1.nodak.edu as the only
text of a message.

/files roots-L

It normally only takes about ten minutes for the LISTSERV computer to
reply, sending you a message with the entire listing of files.

(Please note, there is NO SPACE between the slash and the word files)

You may pick & choose the filenames of interest and to request
a file just simply send the following line back
to: LISTSERV@vm1.nodak.edu as the only text of a message.

GET GENEALOG filename

   (please replace the "filename" with the filename of interest)

Good Luck, Cliff

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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:22:00 EDT
Reply-To:     Trish <ESS@SNYGENVA.BITNET>
From:         Trish <ESS@SNYGENVA.BITNET>
Subject:      Where are you
Comments: To: roots-l@ndsuvm1.bitnet

Hi,

I have not received any mail from this list for 3 days.  Is it me or
is there a problem?

Pat

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From: davidson@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Obscure book wanted
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:01:22 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


If anyone has access to the following book, I would appreciate hearing from
them. I will gladly pay for postage and photocopying costs.
I don't realistically expect to get a 100 year old book via inter-library 
loan.

Reginald Webb Wilcox. _The Descendents of William Wilcoxson, Vincent Meigs, and
Richard Webb_ (New York, 1893).

I expect it will probably be found in a New England institution as Richard WEBB
settled (and eventually died) in Connecticut. 

This item didn't appear on a list of items from Meveyl that was sent me some
time ago (thanks Tom).

Any suggestions appreciated, especially concerning WEBBs in New York or New
England. Virtually all of the books I have seen focus on the South.

Thank-you,

Jonathan Davidson

DAVIDSON@AC.DAL.CA
Dalhousie University
Halifax, Nova Scotia
Canada

Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: jcarroll@leonardo.src.Honeywell.com (Joe Carroll)
Subject: Help: William IV -- Canadian land grant
Organization: Honeywell SRC
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:44:51 GMT

Help: William IV -- Canadian land grant

Edward Joseph LUNNEY and Hugh LUNNEY emigrated from County Tyrone, Ireland
in 1830, bringing with them a charter to a thousand acres of land signed by
William IV, King of England, Ireland, Scotland, and Wales.  It was a matter
of great family pride that they received their land direct from the hand of
the King.  They settled, I think, in the area around Pakenham, Ontario.

Can anyone suggest to me where I might obtain documentary proof of such a
grant?  England?  Ontario?  ...?

TIA.          Joe Carroll            jcarroll@leonardo.src.honeywell.com

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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:38:00 -0800
Reply-To:     SYSMGR@CBOS.UC.EDU
From:         SYSMGR@CBOS.UC.EDU
Subject:      Recipient mailbox is full. Returning message to sender
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

I just noticed that you are not in Texas. Sorry that I did not notice that
sooner.  However, my general advice should still be of use.  If your local
Lutheran pastor cannot give you a name at a Lutheran College that is within
your area, let me know and I will find you the closest with someone who can set
you on the right course.

 * Origin: Southern Crossroads DFW METRO 817-481-8984 (1:124/4115)
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 09:22:00 EST
Reply-To:     JMFREED@CC.OWU.EDU
From:         JMFREED@CC.OWU.EDU
Subject:      National Genealogical Society and Internet
Comments: To: roots-L@vm1.NoDak.edu

Two items of interest appeared this past weekend:  the NGS (National
Genealogical Society) Newsletter (Nov-Dec. 1992 issue), and an article
written by Charles A. Radin of the Boston Globe appearing in
The Columbus Dispatch (Insight-Discovery section).  The Radin article
was titled, "Data Network's Use is Soaring" and highlighted the
increased use of the internet system for all types of data communication.
(The article did not mention bitnet or other networks.)  The NGS Newsletter
contained within it center section, 16 pages on genealogy and computers,
contained within it center section, 16 pages on genealogy and computers,
including highlighting the NGS bulletin board, and asking for
contributions to add additional equipment to provide better services
to the callers, the number of which has been "more than 25,000 calls
a year for the past two years."  The NGS newsletter did NOT mention
any possibility of going "on-line" with Internet or any other national
network (AND INTERNATIONAL NETWORK) into which all of us Rooters can
feed information and obtain information.  If any of you arfe NGS
members and/or otherwise wish to suggest to the NGS that they explore
an internet connection (they are in the DC area--Arlington, VA-- so
that an internet connection would probably not be that difficult--except
for the cost and I have no idea of the cost), then send a letter to:
  Everette C. Smith, Chairman
  Computer Interest Group, NGS
  4527 Seventeenth Street North
  Arlington, VA 22207-2399

        If any rooters are interested in this 16 page newsletter, you
may also write to the above address; I do not know if any additional
copies are available of the cost.  Telephone number is 703-525-0050;
FAX is 703-525-0052.    The articles in this 16 page "newsletter"
entitled, "NGS/CIG Digest" and dated Volume 11, Number 4, Oct Nov Dec
1992 are as follows:
        NGS Electronic Bulletin Board Draws Users From Everywhere
        Brief Index to 41 MAC Genealogy Programs
        Macintosh Submission ALERT
        PAFSPLIT 1.0
        Relativity, V. 0.95
        Gold Medal Winners
        How the Personal Computer is Changing the Field of Genealogy
        How you can make the NGS BBS even better
        Genealogical Queries through Prodigy and e-mail
        Alternatives for Viewing your family pictures using Roots III.

The NGS Public Bulletin Board numbers are as follows:
                703-528-2612    OR  703-528-8570     (24 hours a day)


--Jim Freed, Delaware, OH--
From: Steve.Hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Steve Hayes)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: England Q: recording shire
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 13:18:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 5:7101/22.5 - Novell User Group, Pretoria RSA

On <09 Jan 1993 09:13> alan@essex.ac.uk [Alan M Stanier] said to All :

 aauMS>}Before 1974 Durham was the only English county that was not a 
 aauMS>shire.
 aauMS>
 aauMS>Sorry, but I do not understand this statement. Please explain.
 aauMS>
 aauMS>If you mean that Durham was the only pre-1974 county whose name did
 aauMS>not end "shire", then you are wrong: Essex, Norfolk, Suffolk, Kent,
 aauMS>Cumberland, Westmorland, Northumberland and Middlesex spring  
immediately
 aauMS>to mind. I suspect there are other counter-examples. Oh yes, 
 aauMS>Cornwall.

No, that's not what I meant. 

Unfortunately I seem to have mislaid the book in which I found that 
interesting example of trivia, so I can't cite it. It was called "County 
Durham".

I think it was an administrative distinction, related to Durham being a county 
palatine. Yes, I know Cheshire was also a palatinate, and it was also a shire. 
But the Bishop of Durham as comes palatinus appointed civil offices and had 
complete jurisdiction, including the right to inflict capital punishment. His 
sujects served in the bishop's army and elected representatives to an assembly 
of the palatinate. He coined his own money, and all mines of gold, silver, 
iron, lead and coal belonged to him. You will find some of this information in 
Nikolaus Pevsner's "The buildings of England: County Durham", but not the main 
point, which was in the book I can't find at the moment.

Steve Hayes
P O Box 7648, Pretoria
0001 South Africa



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From: cel@nsscmail.att.com (clayton EDward LEIHY iii)
Subject: Re: Repeat messages
Followup-To: soc.roots
Summary: Me Too
Organization: NCR Systems Support Center - New Jersey
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:11:25 GMT

I too am receiving duplicate messages of ones I received last week
along with the strange subject line (don't have it in front of me
right now.

Ed Leihy
S. Plainfield, NJ