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From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Subject: Re: A clear rink?
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 22:23:33 GMT


In a previous article, saseph@hal.unx.sas.com (Ed Hughes) says:

>In article <1992Apr7.013330.25166@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
>>
>>I remember seeing last year's NCAA phinal, and I noticed the bottom part
>>of the boards were clear too!  What rink was this?  Also, is this unique
>>to this rink?  I didn't think these types of rinks were allowed, because
>>it would be hard to see the puck.
>>--
>
>That would be a rink in St. Paul, if I remember correctly.  There are
>probably other rinks out there like it, but I don't know of any.
>I would think such a rink *would* make it difficult to see the puck.
>Perhaps the bright lighting of the arena can compensate for it.

Yup, because the NCAA will not allow the hockey phinal four to call
itself the hockey "Final Four."  The "Final Four" is trademarked for
basketball only.
>
>BTW, *please* tell me that you spelled "final" as "phinal" on purpose!
>-- 
>
>Ed Hughes, SAS Institute  | "See no evil...well, maybe just a little...
>Cary, NC                  |  yeah!"
>                          | --Joel, "Women of the Prehistoric Planet,"
>                          |          MST3000
>

-- 
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University of Michigan: Class of 1996
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI)
Subject: Re: Consecutive seasons over .500
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:12:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.045936.3775@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902117@ariel.yorku.ca (TONY D'ALFONSO) writes:
Dave, I was not implying that San Jose would be a contender if they were in the
Adams, but I am saying that a team in the Patrick's has a harder time of making
>the playoffs than a team in the Adams' as the Patrick's is more competitive.

Obviously, I realize you weren't implying that!  I was taking your point
to an extreme!

>You can't disagree with me there, especially since one of the two teams in the
Pats that isn't making the playoffs (aka the Isles), if they beat NJ, will have
>a .500 season.  Buffalo, who is placed third in the Adams', has less points
>than the Isles, and I believe less points than Philly!  Also, look at the 
>spread Montreal has over Boston.  Jeez, wasn't Montreal the first team to 
>clinch their division title?

But, Tony, in 5 years from now, you might see Montreal, Quebec, Buffalo
and Boston being power-house teams and Pgh, Wash, NJ might suck.  Then
I'll complain that Montreal could've been in first in the Patrick
and I'd be crying about the fact that their 105 points puts them in
second place (behind Quebec) in the Adams.

These things even out eventually.

By 2001, when there are 7 teams in each division, there'll be even more
crying about the playoff format.  If they don't change it, just
accept it.  If the Islanders cared so much about making the playoffs,
maybe they should have traded Lafontaine before the season started.

--Dave

PS. How'd you do in Spetsakis' final test?

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Fan Intervention
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:02:52 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <1992Apr17.153204.21472@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> leyfre@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Frederic Leymarie) writes:
>
>team ... 8-) or did not have any particular aggresive intention. He lost his
>mind (with the help of a massive alchohol dose).

he also made a bet with his friend and was stupid enough to go thru with
it.
>
>In any case, the way the Sabres players behaved (especially the one on top of
>him, punching him X times on the head) was pretty disgusting. Even the coach
>was involved, apparently shouting pretty stupid directives to his "soldiers".
>
>
>This is no sports.
>

It's typical NHL, a league where the fans go after the players and
the players audition for WWF. In the last few games,the Sabres are
beginning to look like the whole team is auditioning for WWF. The Sabre
in question was even saying that the guy could've had a gun. Well,did
they see a gun???? Morons. I hope the Bruins beat the shit out of this
dumbass	stupid team because the Sabres definetely need alot of good
beating. I want to see alot of violence in this series. I want to see
blood. I want Rick Bowness climb over the separating glass behind the
bench and whack Buffalo fans with a stick. You need a good bloodbath
series to get a point across to NHL boneheads.I'm sick of goon hockey.

Do you think this goon from the Sabres will be suspended for any number
of games? The day when buffalos put on skates and play hockey...
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: paul@maunakea.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Paul Brownlow)
Subject: WHL playoff summary, to date1992 WHL playoffs
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:52:12 GMT

West Division

Kamloops  4			Kamloops  0
Tacoma    0
						--------
Spokane   4	Spokane 1
Portland  2
				Seattle   0	
Seattle   4	Seattle 3
Tri-City  1
								----------
East Division							 Champion

Prince Albert 4			Prince Albert 0
Moose Jaw     0
						--------
Medicine Hat  0
Swift Current 4	Swift Current 1
				Saskatoon     0
Saskatoon     4 Saskatoon     3
Lethbridge    1

Third round play begins this weekend.  West Division championship schedule:
Sat Apr 11 Seattle @ Kamloops
Sun Apr 12 Seattle @ Kamloops
Tue Apr 14 Kamloops @ Seattle (Arena)
Wed Apr 15 Kamloops @ Seattle (Arena)
<other games TBD>
Kamloops won season series, 5-3 (2-2 in Kamloops, 3-1 in Seattle).

Note: round 2 is a best-of-5.  All other rounds are best-of-7.  Victoria,
Regina, and Brandon missed the playoffs.


-- 
Paul Brownlow				| 1992 Memorial Cup Tournament 
Data I/O Corp.  Redmond, WA		|       May 9-17, 1992
paul@data-io.com			|     Seattle, Washington
					|      CHL/WHL/OHL/QMJHL 
Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey)
Subject: Re: Wirtz and Snyder (was Re: Pens, Martha meet to discuss strike)
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 11 Apr 92 14:18:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.203903.1@sask.usask.ca> chin@sask.usask.ca (Glenn Chin) writes:
>In article <IdtMBrG00WBO41_N9I@andrew.cmu.edu>, "James J. Murawski" <jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>> 
>> People have been saying that as a result of
>> this strike, maybe it's the beginning of the end for Ziegler.  We can only
>> hope that it's also the beginning of the end of Wirtz.
>
>It's been suggested that Wirtz will resign his post as chairman of the board of
>governors soon.  Another Ziegler supporter, Ed Snyder, has been vacationing in
>Hawaii(?) during these negotiations.  Perhaps Snyder's influence has diminished.

Wirtz's term is indeed almost up and he won't be having another.

Bruce Dowbiggen of CBC-Toronto has suggested that Ziegler will also be
forced out soon, as the moderate owners seize more power.
-- 
Mike Godfrey   	           		"Either that wallpaper goes, or I do."
Dept of Comp Sci, UofT      	         	-- allegedly, the last words
migod@turing.toronto.edu			   of Oscar Wilde
From: arsenaul@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Arsenault Michel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Strat-O-Matic Hockey
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:05:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Universite de Montreal


                    MONTREAL STRAT-O-MATIC HOCKEY LEAGUE
                          FINAL STANDINGS 1991-92
       (Based on the 1990-91 NHL statistics-so San Jose not in there)
                     (Graciously formatted by Steven Dufour)

                       PRINCE-OF-WALES CONFERENCE

                             ADAMS DIVISION

              GP   W   L   D   GF   GA   PTS   OA   10 LAST   SEQ
			
Boston        56  32  19   5  169  148    69    5    5-4-1     L1
Montreal      56  29  21   6  166  150    64    7    7-2-1     W1
Buffalo       56  23  26   7  151  144    53   14    4-5-1     W2
Hartford      56  19  30   7  134  166    45   15    5-5-0     W2
Quebec        56  12  41   3  128  214    27   21    1-9-0     L6


                            PATRICK DIVISION

              GP   W   L   D   GF   GA   PTS   OA   10 LAST   SEQ

Pittsburgh    56  33  19   4  190  155    70    4    4-4-2     W2
Rangers       56  31  18   7  188  134    69    6    5-2-3     L1
Philadelphia  56  27  22   7  153  148    61    9    4-4-2     L3
New Jersey    56  25  26   5  156  156    55   11    5-5-0     W2
Islanders     56  25  26   5  147  149    55   12    5-4-1     L2
Washington    56  19  32   5  129  186    43   19    5-4-1     W1


                           CAMPBELL CONFERENCE

                             NORRIS DIVISION

              GP   W   L   D   GF   GA   PTS   OA   10 LAST   SEQ

Chicago	      56  33  19   4  163  122    70    3    6-3-1     L1
St.Louis      56  26  22   8  180  140    60   10    5-3-2     W3
Detroit       56  25  28   3  168  183    53   13    5-3-2     W2
Minnesota     56  21  33   2  138  170    44   16    4-6-0     W1
Toronto       56  18  30   8  112  170    44   18    3-7-0     L4

                             SMYTHE DIVISION

              GP   W   L   D   GF   GA   PTS   OA   10 LAST   SEQ

Edmonton      56  38  15   3  182  115    79    1    9-1-0     L1
Los Angeles   56  35  18   3  208  161    73    2    5-5-0     W1
Winnipeg      56  27  21   8  157  145    62    8    5-4-1     L1
Calgary       56  18  30   8  160  180    44    17   2-7-1     W1
Vancouver     56  17  37   2  157  200    36    20   2-8-0     W1



P.S.:  Sorry for Caps' fans but I was Washington this
         season and have not been able to do anything good...

				
			Michel Arsenault
			arsenaul@ere.umontreal.ca
From: shayne@cs.mcgill.ca (Lydia MANCINI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Consecutive seasons over .500
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:56:59 GMT
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <1992Apr14.192516.28767@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>Now for my daily dose of pro-Habs propaganda...   :-)
>
>1)  1950-51 was the last year the Canadiens were sub-.500 !!!!!!
>    And they made it to the Cup finals that year!!!

Sorry, but they had a below .500 season in '84 (They can't own every
record can they? :-))

>--Dave


-- Lydia

-- 
  Lydia Mancini | shayne@cs.mcgill.ca | McGill University | Montreal, Canada
 (==)(==)(==)(==)(==)(==)(==)(==)(==)(==)(==)(==)(==)(==)(==)(==)(==)(==)(==)
 "I don't want to be coach of the year, just coach for the year" -- Pat Burns
 (I always liked that comment)
From: cadesjar@descartes.waterloo.edu (Curtis Desjardins)
Subject: Re: Sherri's Spewing (WAS: Re: Another Lindros)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 03:22:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr1.173746.28305@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>In article <1992Mar31.012501.18359@cirrus.com> mitch@cirrus.com (Mitch Wright) writes:
>>make more in 1 year than I'll probably ever make in my
>>whole career -- and they whine about how little they earn.  What ever
>>happened to playing for the love of a sport?

This is what I'd like to know (not just hockey, but baseball and football
too...basketball already has salary caps so it's not as rampnat there)

>I don't know; do you do your job for the love of it, or do you expect to
>get paid a competitive salary?  

I don't know about you but I do it because I love my work. Being a
teacher, I'd better love it cause the pay sucks! If I wanted money, I 
wouldn't be teaching. Period.

>>Oh come on.  Athletes of all people have the most opportunities to get a
>>decent education. 
>
>Have you ever talked to college athletes?  Yes, they get scholarships, but
>they're not encouraged in actually getting an education with them.  

Only in America. Canadian universities don't give athletic scholarships,
with the exception of Simon Fraser Univ in BC. So, the emphasis here is 
education, unlike your universities.  **putting on flame-retardant body-suit**

>Sherri Nichols

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From: alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: NHL Season is over.
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:00:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

In article <1992Apr8.043424.29116@cs.dal.ca>, schofiel@ug.cs.dal.ca (Ronald Clyde
 Douglas Schofield) writes:
|> 
|> 
|>  I know that Sheri and Gerald will flame me, they always do...
|>  I have always wondered about who you are Sheri and Gerald and your past
|> playing expirence in the game of hockey.

What does playing the game have to do with being able to discuss certain aspects of
the game?  Both Sherri and Gerald have made many good points, and many not-so-good
points during their tenure here.  If you don't agree with everything they say, you're
just like the rest of us.

|>                                            Mabey you could tell us how you
|> scored the winning goal(s) in any games that you have played, and if you
|> are still playing. Better yet mabey you could tell us who read your posts
|> of any war wounds that you have suffered in the process of playing?

So now a prerequisite to publishing your opinions about hockey is to have been
injured while playing hockey?  Get real...

|>                                                                      I don't
|> know of any player who has played for a while not getting any. I myself have
|> player hockey since I was 12(16 yrs)in every league that I could find. I always 
|> played house leagues because I saw too many kids have pressure to play
|> competitive and loose the love of the game. I did not want that.

"And besides; I was never good enough to make it onto a competition team."  I played
competitive back in my youth, and still enjoy playing, and watching, games at all
levels of competition.  Both my kids are now in competitive play, as well as playing
in-house in the summer, and pickup all year.  They certainly haven't lost their love
of the game.

|>                                                                       I also
|> played pickup games, played for a local bar for three years. My last year
|> before my war wound, I scored 17 goals in 19 games and accounted for all
|> but one of my teams goals in the playoffs. I have not played hockey for
|> a couple of years as I seperated my shoulder in a pick-up game and under the
|> advice of my doctor, have not played hockey until this year. It sure felt
|> good to get back on the blades. We play from 6am-8am once a week. I love the
|> game.

Anyone who takes TWO YEARS to recover from an injury like that has no business
calling himself a hockey player.  Why don't you try baseball?  You'll fit right in
with the whiners over there who miss a season for a hangnail.

|> 
|> Thanks for listening to me. As you can tell I am for the owners. They pay the
|> players to play hockey, not run the business.
|> 
|> Ron.

-- 
Alan Hepburn           "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain
National Semiconductor       a little temporary safety deserve neither
Santa Clara, Ca              liberty nor safety."
alan@berlioz.nsc.com                              Benjamin Franklin
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: mczody@athena.mit.edu (Michael C. Zody)
Subject: Re: A clear rink?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:31:56 GMT


|> I would think such a rink *would* make it difficult to see the puck.
|> Perhaps the bright lighting of the arena can compensate for it.

Sorry for erasing the source on this one.

On this topic, did anyone else but me think that the all-white boards on the
rink at Meribel made it very difficult to see the puck?  I don't know that I've
ever before seen or played on a rink which didn't have some kind of colored
stripe that helped you see where the boards were.  I guess it's not so hard
when you're actually out there....
   I also remember the plexiglas boards.  I didn't think it made it that hard
to see the puck, but as I recall, no one sat right next to the boards in that
arena.  I can only imaging what lengths college hockey fans would go to to
use this to distract the players....

Michael Zody
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: fafuria@der.Princeton.EDU (Frederick A. Furia)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Dear Sherri
Date: 5 Apr 92 19:31:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: Princeto.1992Apr5.193145.15251
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <28370019@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM> cadams@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Chris Adams) writes:
>Dear Sherri
>
>You seem to be the most vocal believer that the NHL would have better
>parity without the draft.  You have been very quick to rebut any claim
>to the contrary.  I have not been able to find your explanation as to
>how a team with the revenue base of the Winnipeg Jets could be
>competitive with a team like the New York Rangers if there weren't a
>draft.  
>
>If you think that teams with less money could compete without a draft
>then I hope your explanation is a good one.  I haven't seen you explain
>exactly how this would work.  
>
>Perhaps you think that there could be parity without a draft but you are
>also assuming some other mechanism such as a salary cap or profit
>sharing between the teams.  If this is the case is this mechanism you
>support more 'legal' than the draft and would it benefit the players?
>
>Or maybe you agree that Winnipeg (e.g.) could not compete with New York (e.g.)
>but that this should mean that Winnipeg should not have a team?
>
>
>Looking forward to your response.
>
>Of course I would love to here arguments from anyone on the net.  That
>is unless it's an argument that sounds like 'Gee,  if the rich teams
>already have all the talent they need then the poor teams can have their
>pick of the leftovers!'

She does have an idea, and she has stated it, but I'll let her explain
it for you.  I probably wouldn't do it justice, since I disagree (respectuflly)
with the idea myself.

Fred
From: jwh@sei.cmu.edu (John Huber)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Perfect record??
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:32:00 GMT
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute


In article <1992Apr15.225741.10225@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>, cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:
|> 
|> I do know that it's never happened in hockey.  I don't know about other sports.
|> I would assume that Montreal's 60-8-12 record comes closest in an 80 game
|> season.
|> 
|> In football, the Miami Dolphins went 15-0 one season (I think it was 15 games
|> that year...)
|> 
|> --Dave
|> 
|> PS. Sorry to bring football into this   :-)

Miami was actually 17-0 if you count the playoffs.  They went 14-0 in the
regular season and won 2 playoff games then the Super Bowl.  Final tally for
the "Perfect Season" was 17-0.  End of football segment :-)

-Jay


John W. Huber, Jr. - aka Jay   | Penguins - 1991 Stanley Cup Champions
Software Engineering Institute | Pirates - 1990,1991 NL East Champions
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Subject: Re: What the world needs now is an AMERICAN TV CONTRACT.
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:32:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.125718.24717@athena.mit.edu> mczody@athena.mit.edu (Michael C. Zody) writes:
>In article <allan.702679696@kitscoty>, allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes:

>   Does fighting help?  I don't really think so.  I mean, don't tell me that
>that guys that play professional hockey are really afraid of anyone else on the
>ice.  However, the advantage of fighting is that when the guys get really mad
>and want to retalliate, it's a lot safer than having them swing their sticks
>at each other.

Really mad? Safer than stick swinging?  It is, but that goes without 
saying.  They should be suspended for getting really mad and swinging their 
sticks too.

By banning, or controlling fighting the way the other sports do, you call 
penalties that keep teams at equal strength when a skirmish breaks out.  If 
it is a senseless fight or a fight where players are out of control (really 
mad?) eject them.

I know other sports don't have sticks.  But baseball has bats, and I suspect 
some of them get...really mad.

This stuff about hockey players, retalliation, they have no control, etc - I 
don't buy it.  Football players have special brain powers that enable them 
to control themselves, but hockey players don't?

Warren
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: smorris@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Morris (SVER))
Subject: Goon Mentality
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 14 Apr 1992 13:44 EDT  

Read a good story the other day.  After he was involved in a 
scuffle at a home game, the Vancouver scoreboard flashed the
message "Even Saddamm wouldn't fight Odjick".  Gino turned to
a teammate and asked "Which number is Saddamm?"

This is my kinda hockey player.

Ron
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Subject: Cleveland (IHL) Lumberjack news
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 20:41:47 GMT


He Calls it 'Scary'

The new Cleveland Lumberjacks of the IHL are nearing agreement to play
at the Cleveland State Convocation Centre, though negotiations contine
with the Richfield Coliseum.  The Lumberjacks are currently in Muskegon,
Mich.

"We expect to get it resolved by the end of the month," said Larry
Gordoon, principal owner of the lumberjackls, who play Milwaukee in a
best-of-7 semifinal series beginning Friday in Muskegon.

"Believe it or not, we are receiving 20-25 letters a day, and even more
phone calls from people in Clevelaand who either want to work for us or
are inquiring about tickets," said Gordon.  "It's scary - But I'm not
complaining."

The Lumberjacks finished the regular season in 2nd place in the Eastern
Division with a 41-28-13 record, 17 points behind Ft. Wayne (52-22-8).

Gordon said he will apply for a franchise in the lower-rated CHL for
Muskegon if the city will renovate its arena (Capacity 4500).  The
Lumberjacks averaged 2600 fans per game this season.
-- 
ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu (Eric Rickin) or bu072@gnh-bauhaus.cts.com
Slap and Tickle... The Canadian National Sport
University of Michigan: Class of 1996