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From: jherico@netcom.com (B. Austin Davis)
Subject: Re: Nightcrawler, NCCS, and Excalibur #63
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:57:35 GMT

>	No, Kurt's invisibility meant that he had been infected with the 
>disease. That's why they ended the session so abruptly.
>

I doubt this very much.  I think Kurt's 'disease' was nothing more than the
Blond guy in the black outfit pressing a button on his belt to make the alarm
go off.  Check out the panel where it happens in the book.

-- 
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From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Lorna's (eeech) new costume
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 04:19:04 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Well, I'm not that wild about the costume either. 

But who listens to me?  I just write the damned thing.

PAD
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From: nieboer@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Stinky Wizzleteats)
Subject: Re: X-Factor 88 (SPOILERS)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:15:52 GMT

jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore) writes:

>In article <74319@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>>Ohhh yes. The Comics Code is still very much around, lending censorous
>>hand wherever there's an opportunity to do so.
>>
>>PAD

>(Gee! His posts look like his dialogue!)

>Well, most of us know that the Comics Code Authority still exists;
>however, from what I remember, isn't adherence (sp?) to the Code voluntary?

It was my understanding that non-Code books couldn't be sold anywhere other
than a comics shop, ie not on newsstands, in supermarkets etc.

-- 
"A head-on collision is set for the start of the Shitsu-Tonka Sex Law
 Reform Forum. Women Against Intercourse request the age of consent to 
 be the 1800's, the pedophiles want it abolished, and the necrophiliacs
 demand a user-pays system and turnstiles at cemetaries." DAAS
From: jdelacr@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Jorge DeLaCruz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Uncanny X-Men #298
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:53:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1993Jan25.154207.19781@husc3.harvard.edu> rramirez@husc10.harvard.edu (Robert Ramirez) writes:
>I know it's a late reaction, but I just got back from Christmas break a
>little over a week ago...
>
>
>Unuscione?!?  Kleinstock?!?  Where DOES Scotty get these NAMES?!?
>
    Don't blame Scotty for Unscione, it was used for Unus the Untouchable of 
  the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants I (I mentioned this before and got Ragged
  On, or was it a Flame).  Klienstock may have a hidden meaning to duplicate
  bodies, anyone know enough German to decypher it?

						Jorge
From: mskeen@willamette.edu (Michael A. Skeen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: x-mantas
Date: 28 Jan 93 21:55:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: willamet.C1L3L4.MHB
Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR

>should rogue be able to control cyclop's beams because she lacks the 
>brain damage?
No, because she would get Cyclops' power along with his memories, and of
course the lack of control as well. 

>
>how long does the person stay out after rogue "zaps" them?
>
As long as she has the absorbed powers. There are some exceptions to this
rule, as when she tries to absorb powers from an incredibly powerful person,
like Juggernaut, and then she would reduce their power level.
From: rramirez@husc10.harvard.edu (Robert Ramirez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Uncanny X-Men #298
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:41:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan25.154207.19781
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I know it's a late reaction, but I just got back from Christmas break a
little over a week ago...

Wasn't anyone even slightly annoyed that Forge (if that WAS indeed he)
wasn't even _identified_ in the current issue?

And since when was Forge ever a COP?  Can any Forge experts tell me if
anything about him (besides being in 'Nam) that happened before he joined
the X-Men?  Better yet, if someone's written a complete bio on him, could
he (or she) please E-mail me a copy?  Thanx!

Unuscione?!?  Kleinstock?!?  Where DOES Scotty get these NAMES?!?

Any theories as to how exactly they'll bring back Magneto in #300?  (They
should've kept him dead like Superman (yeah right), but NOOOOOOO...)

Finally, how many are in favor of Professor X keeping the beard (or, at
least, stubble) he's growing?

Peace,

R ^ 3

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"Gimme a break, will ya?  It's 92 degrees out and my costume's riding up!"
-- Guido (Strong Guy), X-Factor #74

"I should be grateful.  If I were duplicating a spider 100%, I'd be eating
flies and shooting webbing out my buttocks."
-- Miguel O'Hara, Spider-Man 2099 #4
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From: robear@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jay Michael)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Psylocke
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:55:46 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: happy.cc.utexas.edu

In article <QfMz1tC00WAtAiMkhx@andrew.cmu.edu> Maverick+@CMU.EDU (Chris Holly) writes:
>Responding to my earlier post:
>
>Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.xbooks: 22-Jan-93 Re: Psylocke Jay
>Michael@ccwf.cc.utex (2632)
>
--trim--
>> it would be retconned later.  I would rather hazard to guess that Marvel
>> is thinking more along the lines of 'Mutant Strain', that once your genes
>> diverge from homo sapiens, you will always show up as a mutant, regardless
>> wether or not the descendants genes change again.  In that sense, they're not
>> mutants from their parents, but mutants from humanity.  Therefore, I would
>> postulate that children of mutates are then mutants, since they are born 
>> with different genes than the rest of humanity.  The real question: if a child
>> of a mutant or mutate mutates in such a way that it now has the same genes
>> as homo sapiens, what is it?  (Up a creek, prolly).
>
>> Robear
>
>
>	But if you are correct.... then Spider-man, FF, and the rest of the
>super-world would also show up on Mutant detectors, and we know this not
>to be true.  Also the Eternals and Inhumans(although the Inhumans give

Unless there is a fundamental difference between mutants and mutates (which
seems to be why Marvel bothers to note the difference)  is that one was born
that way and the other bacame that way after birth.  Mutant detectors, by
definition, only detect "they that are mutants from birth", though I find the
whole concept of mutants being detectable by their genes a bit silly.  What
are the detectors detecting?  Long range gene scans?  Gene scans combined with
a database check from the parents genes to determine mutantness?  I'm just
barely willing to accept that there may be some naturally evolved 'mutant
gene signiture' which goes with all mutant powers, which would then have to 
be transferred to the offspring unless it somehow 'de-mutanted' out.  This 
would exclude mutates, and thus prolly by extension mean that mutate children
wouldn't show up as mutants . . . two different things.  I have no idea
how the inhumans would fit into this, I've no familiarity with them, but
they may just be a 'different breed' type thing . . .

Robear the Geneticist (NOT!)

Any opinions expressed herein do not reflect those of the University of Texas,
and in fact, I don't think they have any. So there.--robear@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: jdelacr@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Jorge DeLaCruz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Rachel Summers, Phoenix, and the Multiverse
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:02:02 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1993Jan26.142741.29409@nmsu.edu> bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:
>Marvel's writers are FUBARing Rachel Summers, Phoenix, and their Multiverse
>by not having a consitant idea of what they are doing.
>
   (Stuff deleted)

>1) What if has shown at least eight Earths with Phoenix in them:
> A) Dark Phoenix goes nuts and destroys the universe. (What If Vol 1 #27)
> B) Nightcrawler gets the Phoenix force and is killed.(What If Vol 2 #?)
> C) Alantas Attacks succeeds and Rachel gets killed.(What If Vol 2 #?)
> D) Wolverine meets Conan and later Conan frees Dark Phoenix and she 
>    destroys the universe.(What If Vol 2 #?)
> E) Inferno is lost and Phoenix purges the demons before the Tribunial
>    fries the Earth.  It then returns to the Universe.(What If Vol 2 #?)
> F) Korvac banishes Phoenix, Silver Surfer, and Dr. Strange from his 
>    timeline and later on destroys that timeline.  Later on all three 
>    return but only Dr. Strange remains in the timeline; Phoenix and 
>    Silver Surfer go history or dimension (I don't remember which 
>    exactly) hopping for a new home. (What If... Vol 1 #32)
> G) Phoenix really becomes Jean Grey but is found out after the US becomes
>    anti-mutant and goes into seclusion while most of the X-Men get killed
>    and at the end it saves the X-Men and returns to the universe (What If... 
>    Vol 2, #32-33)
> H) A vampire Jean Grey claims the Phoenix force and later 'lives' in the
>    Dark Dimension. (What if Vol 2, #37 and #39).

   also as most people forget (or want to) is in X-Men spotlight they give
 an alternate explantation of the Phoenix Force (under another name which I 
 forget) and enables Deathbird to get Phoenix Powers as "Death" Phoenix and 
 even Professor X got Phoenix Powers as the "Bald" Phoenix in a Bad Phoenix
 Leotord Uniform.  How they lost their powers were Forgotten or Reconned.


						Jorge
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From: mason
Subject: Re: Nightcrawler, NCCS, and Excalibur #63
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:41:53 GMT

In article <93023.054755SIMMONS@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Tad Simmons <SIMMONS@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:
 
>Ok, I had a thought (and: No, the world didn't end).
>When Nicholas (and, on page 24, _why_ is his name accentuated, are we supposed
>to know him?) is talking about Kurt as a second-generation mutant, he says
>"(big red) IF his parents were mutants as well as he...  ...he inherited their
>warped gene as well as developing one of his own."  OK, now, Kurt is the only
>teleporter I can think of off hand, so what does that leave?  Sticking to wals
>and limited invisibility (speaking of which, has this ever been mentioned
>before?  I don't recall it...  Is it mentioned in the Marvel Universe?).
 
The odds of a child of mundane parents developing a mutation is something
like, what, 1 in 10,000 ?  If the odds of a mutant child of mutant parents
developing a *second* mutation are similar, then Nightcrawler is a very
rare bird.
 
I'm still dying to know what Kurt's relationship to Mystique is, exactly.
 
Kurt's abilities include teleportation, clinging to walls, and limited
invisibility in deep shadow.  I always considered the last a function of
his appearance -- indigo fur being difficult to see in the dark -- but
perhaps Davis believes differently.
 
Or perhaps it's a symptom of the disease that's killing the Warpies,
although I thought that was more a genetic destabilization than a
corporeal one.
 
-- mason
From: Maverick+@CMU.EDU (Chris Holly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Rogue and Ms. Marvel
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:25:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.MfLrR=S00WB7R309EV
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.xbooks: 20-Jan-93 Re: Rogue and
Ms. Marvel by David R. Henry@plains.No 
> >If Rogue has all of the old Ms. Marvel's powers, she ought to have the
> >instant change ability that MM had (between at least two sets of clothes).
> >A dumb but useful ability.  Has she ever displayed it?
>  
> Gee, Will, the old theatre's not paying you so well nowadays, huh? You have
> spend your time reading old comic books. How the mighty have fallen.
>  
> No, Rogue's never shown the ability to change clothes instantly. Given the
> oh-so-slightly sluttish nature of the costumes Ms. Marvel could change into,
> I'm actually quite relieved.

Wow... Twice in a row I am standing behind the infamous DHenry.... This
could start a Trend....

But anyway... I agree this was a stupid ability when MM used to do it
and it's a stupid ability now.  Two things though:
    1) I don't believe(though I could be mistaken) that it was ever
explained How MM did the Insta-change trick... it could have been a
power, it could have been equipment or it could have been the fabled
Unstable Molecules used in the fashion ala-power-pack(I know, the Pack's
uniforms go/went to another dimension but the X-me have been known to do
the insta change trick on occasion today... see Uncanny issue #whatever
issue it was where they went to the hellfire club and the White Queen,
Jean Grey, and the Hellions "died"... right after X-Agenda when the book
split). 
    2) most of the time Rogue doesn't have a costume... she just wears
regular clothes... Ala-Storm-Punk-Rocker outfit.  Off hand, the only
definitive outfits I remeber her having are A) the Ms Marvel Outfit, B)
HEr current outfit C) the outfit she wore circa Inferno/Australia(black
and green spandex standard)... other than that, although usually wears
black and green,  she never had a super hero outfit per se... only very
similar regular clothes(even if they were spandex sometimes).

by the way happy B-day Dave...

Another member of the Rogue Fan Club (and I still hold a grudge about
the Eye color Thing)
-Mav




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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Madrox and diseases (was Re: X-Factor #88)
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:06:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1993Jan26.101547.19806@husc3.harvard.edu> rramirez@husc10.harvard.edu (Robert Ramirez) writes:
>In article <26JAN199300594937@summa.tamu.edu> djh4535@summa.tamu.edu (HARRIS, DUANE J) writes:
>>i find this discussion interesting
>>here is a point i'd like top make.
>>by sharing/integrating said desease it would decrease the potentcy of
>>said desease. (like we he heal a rib by merging or something)
>>so if he like had say herpes it could be diluted to a point where
>>he could naturally throw it off
>
>Yeah, but we're talking about a _LOT_ of duplicates here.  First of all,
>how many viruses are already in the human body at the onset of symptoms
>for say, herpes (to use the same example)?  Second, isn't Madrox's limit
>like, 40 or something?  So then, is a dilution factor of 40 really enough
>for the body's immune system to "throw off" the disease?  Keep in mind
>that the virus is creating millions of new viruses every minute.  But just
>maybe, all mutants have an enhanced healing factor or something that makes
>their immune systems work better and faster than those of ordinary humans.

According to Excalibur, mutants do naturally heal faster than normal
humans.  (Kitty mentioned it while removing the cast from Nightcrawler's
leg).

-- 
Brian Perler			bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu
"I wanna decide who lives and who dies"
	-Crow T. Robot, "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians," MST3K
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Subject: Re: X-Factor 88 (SPOILERS)
From: <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:00:10 EST
 <1993Jan25.140639.12882@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu><1993Jan25.191552.29606@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
Organization: Penn State University

Well, the Image books aren't Code-approved.  And I know there were alternate
newsstand editions of at least the coupon books that didn't contain the
coupons.  Valiants aren't Code-approved yet I heard that they have a newsstand
distribution.  I don't know what the incentive for companies like Marvel or DC
could be to make them want Code-approval.

                                             --Eric
From: rramirez@husc10.harvard.edu (Robert Ramirez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Force #20
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:06:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan27.160616.19868
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


Warning: Spoilers ahead...












(Just a little more space for those with big screens)










X-Force #20 was AWESOME!!!  BAD-@$$!!!  (I just got it today, BTW)

Cannonball is becoming even more and more impressive as a leader.  You
think that S.H.I.E.L.D. would've learned by now that you DON'T, I repeat,
DON'T mess with X-Force.

But ho!  What is this?  Iron Man (War Machine) is gonna take out merry
mutants on!  YIKES!

I _love_ the direction that X-Force is now taking.  This is _definitely_
better than the Liefeld days.  This issue has the perfect blend of action,
character interaction, intrigue, suspense, and humor.  Feels like a good
techno-thriller.  Rictor's reunion with G.W. was priceless.

Yep, Cable has indeed taught these guys well.  So the question now becomes,
CAN THEY BEAT IRON MAN?

By the way, Lila's a real looker!  I'm glad she's sticking around to help
X-Force out, even though she and Sam are no longer an "item".

My only real problem with this issue is the coloring of Shatterstar's new
costume.  Is it supposed to be baby blue and gray like last issue (ugh),
red and yellow, or red and gray?  I wish that Steve Buccellato would make
up his mind!  (Personally, I like the metallic red and gray combo myself.
Gives Shatty that _lethal_ look.)


R ^ 3     >B)
 
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"Gimme a break, will ya?  It's 92 degrees out and my costume's riding up!"
-- Guido (Strong Guy), X-Factor #74

"I should be grateful.  If I were duplicating a spider 100%, I'd be eating
flies and shooting webbing out my buttocks."
-- Miguel O'Hara, Spider-Man 2099 #4
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From: rramirez@husc9.harvard.edu (Robert Ramirez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Factor #88
Date: 24 Jan 93 06:26:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan24.012603.19735
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

(Warning, Will Robinson, danger, danger!  Spoilers ahead!)















Has anyone read X-Factor #88 yet?

Wolfsbane has my vote for the Most Sexually Repressed Mutant (Guido would
come in second, and Psylock would come in third).  I'm tellin' ya, the
She-Wolf hits on anything that moves!  Looks like she's at least got a case
of frotteurism for Madrox.  I loved Guido's response to Madrox's remark, "I
mean, I'm not Mr. Experience like Guido is..." ("Dang straight.").  Maybe
Rahne wants to find out first-hand why he's called the "Multiple Man" (sorry,
that was bad).  Hey, here's an idea -- why doesn't Jamie just create a whole
bunch of dupes and get all the women he wants?  Then he can REALLY give Guido
some competition!   B)

Yep, the She-Wolf may just get some soon!    B)

Ol' Quicksilver is DEFINITELY getting some this issue!    B)

I agree, Polaris's new costume is atrocious.  It's not skimpy enough.  It
sure didn't kick MY hormones into overdrive!  I liked her old one better.

Overall, it was a pretty good issue, as usual when Peter David is writing.
Kudos to Joe Quesada for the awesome art!  (I especially liked last ish!)


Peace,

R ^ 3

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"Gimme a break, will ya?  It's 92 degrees out and my costume's riding up!"
-- Guido (Strong Guy), X-Factor #74

"I should be grateful.  If I were duplicating a spider 100%, I'd be eating
flies and shooting webbing out my buttocks."
-- Miguel O'Hara, Spider-Man 2099 #4
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From: memmer@sage.cc.purdue.edu (John Memmer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Factor #88
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:07:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1993Jan24.012603.19735@husc3.harvard.edu> rramirez@husc9.harvard.edu (Robert Ramirez) writes:
>(Warning, Will Robinson, danger, danger!  Spoilers ahead!)
>
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>Has anyone read X-Factor #88 yet?
>
>Wolfsbane has my vote for the Most Sexually Repressed Mutant (Guido would
>come in second, and Psylock would come in third).  I'm tellin' ya, the
>She-Wolf hits on anything that moves!  Looks like she's at least got a case
>of frotteurism for Madrox.  I loved Guido's response to Madrox's remark, "I
>mean, I'm not Mr. Experience like Guido is..." ("Dang straight.").  Maybe
>Rahne wants to find out first-hand why he's called the "Multiple Man" (sorry,
>that was bad).  Hey, here's an idea -- why doesn't Jamie just create a whole
>bunch of dupes and get all the women he wants?  Then he can REALLY give Guido
>some competition!   B)
>Yep, the She-Wolf may just get some soon!    B)

Hope so. Kinda funny how she's been so "needing" recently. It's almost as if
she's in heat!!! (Sorry, couldn't resist!  %\} )


-- 
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From: lac@mars.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Lloyd Chalfant)
Subject: Re: raza
Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin.
	<1993Jan21.154955.22475@afterlife.ncsc.mil>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:26:12 GMT


>>i would like info on all  raza's appearances

> Off-Hand (without looking anything up), he has a son Roin? who was a
> Slave for the Shi'ar empire, currently alive unknown?  but he did have a 
> brother who worked for Deathbird (had super powers, forgot them but I'm 
> shure someone else knowns).  He was killed by Binary, and he was bad, he
> wanted to kill his Brother. He appeared in the same issue with Deathbird's
> twin children, something like Blacklight and Whiteout.  

Where did all of the above happen?  None of it sounds familiar?  It wasn't
in that horrible X-men Spotlight, was it?


--
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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos)
Subject: Re: Nightcrawler, NCCS, and Excalibur #63
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 10:25:49 GMT

In article <93023.054755SIMMONS@UCF1VM.BITNET> Tad Simmons <SIMMONS@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:
>"(big red) IF his parents were mutants as well as he...  ...he inherited their
>warped gene as well as developing one of his own."  OK, now, Kurt is the only
>teleporter I can think of off hand, so what does that leave?  Sticking to walls

It has been postulated time and again, that Nightcrawler and Mystique are 
somehow related...this is their feeble attempt to correlate the two.  Basically,
there's a bunch of blue people running around Germany.  Nightcrawler is one
adaptation, Mystique is another. 
-- 
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