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From: cant@world.std.com (jim cant)
Subject: Re: airport waiting area
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:27:21 GMT

wang@optigfx.optigfx.com (Alice Wang) writes:

>Happy New Year!

>During the holidays, we were at the airport to pickup
>my mother.  The plane, as usual, was delayed and we were
>glad to found out that one section of the waiting area
>was intented for kids.  There was a Little-Tikes Slide,
>a FP Picnic Table and a Duplo table with plenty of blocks.
>It was certainly enough to keep Christine entertained for
>the 45 minutes or so we had to wait.

>I haven't been to the San Diego airport for a year now
>so I don't know how new is this facility.  I wonder how
>common is this in other airports?

>Alice Wang
>Mom to Christine, 1 yo
>wang@optigfx.com

Boston's Logan Airport has a carpeted kids area in Terminal C.  There's
3 climb on and in structures (planes, cars) and a couple of neat kinetic
sculptures that are Rube Goldberg type machines.  Also a neat wall of mirrors.

jim cant


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: salvaggi@sunshine.Kodak.COM (Nanette Salvaggio)
Subject: Breast Infections
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 15:42:53 GMT


My sister has developed a breast infection,  it started on Christmas day, and is 
not improving.  She has seen her doctor 4 times in the last week.  They 
keep changing the antibiotic to a stronger one.  My niece will still nurse,
but my sister just about has to bite on a bullet the whole time.  The pain
is pretty intense.  They are concerned that she may develope an absess.
Does anyone have any experience with this,  I never had one while I was
nursing.  Any info would be helpful.  Thanks
Nanette

salvaggi@alnitak.kodak.com
From: vicki@mathcs.emory.edu (Vicki Powers)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Turning a breech baby
Date: 8 Jan 1993 09:22:20 -0500
Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS
NNTP-Posting-Host: emory.mathcs.emory.edu

In article <1993Jan7.224650.15583@leland.Stanford.EDU>, Carol F. Topp <ctopp@cup.portal.com> writes:
> 
> I know there are people who are willing to risk cord prolapse and 
> vaginally deliver breech babies, but is it worth it. Think about what 
> level of risk you are willing to put your child in  in order to avoid
> a section. The attitude "I'll do anything to avoid a section" is not 
> healthy. "I will work with my health care providers and support
> team to try to avoid a section, but recognize my responsibility of
> giving my child the best start in life takes precedence" might
> be a better approach.

Do you have any evidence that it is more risky to deliver a breech
vaginally than by C-section?  (Remember, there are risks to the baby with
a C-section as well.)  The OB who oversees the midwife practice I go to
delivers breeches vaginally and has been doing so for decades.  He will only
do this if the position of the baby is good (frank breech) - they take an 
X-ray while the woman is in labor to determine the exact position of the baby 
and if he looks good a vaginal delivery is attempted.  He has never lost a
baby (or a mother!) although ocassionally he ends up sectioning anyway.  I
think if the OB is experienced in vaginal breech births there is no reason 
not to at least try.  By the way, this OB also delivers twins vaginally (again,
if conditions are favorable) and has a C-section rate of about 12%.


  Vicki


-- 
Vicki  Powers       |  When a student reads in a math book that there are no
Emory University    |  absolutes, suddenly every value he's been taught is
Dept of Math and CS |  destroyed.  And the next thing you know, the student
Atlanta, GA 30322   |  turns to crime and drugs. - Mel Gabler
From: kellee@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kellee Noonan)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:35:40 GMT
Subject: Re: gifts for baby shower
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: misc.kids

One thing I really liked, because I wouldn't have bought it for
myself, was a Rock N Ride infant car seat. My previous kids went
into regular car seats right away, and they looked like they got lost
in the huge seat. The Rock N Ride is just expensive enough that a
lot of people won't get it for themselves, because they shortly
have to buy a bigger car seat that is really expensive.

Once I had one for my last child, I really saw how handy it was, especially
with the handle. You can take out the whole thing when the baby is asleep
and just carry it into the house or wherever, without waking the little
one.

Other ideas that I use:

A basket of cotton wash cloths. I fan fold each one, and tie a ribbon
to it so it looks like a little flower. then I tuck in cotton balls,
baby nail scissors, plastic keys on a ring toy, or other little items 
like that. Then I wrap them in a bath towel (recyclable wrapping).
I tie everything with satin ribbon that can also be reused.

One note from a fragrance sensitive mom - I usually don't buy
baby powder, oil, baby bath, etc, because the fragrance drives
me nuts. I get headaches or head congestions from them. I got
a bunch of this type of stuff I never used. Some of this is
personal choice stuff, so I don't buy it as a gift.

For someone I know really well, my favorite gift is a crocheted
baby blanket. Simple stitches and bright colors. These are used
well beyond the baby years. I always be sure to give instructions
on washing them, because if the parents feel it is a fragile gift
or "too good to use", it will sit on a closet shelf instead of
being a snugglie like it was intended for. (This is why I quit
making sweaters and booties, most were never worn because they
were saved for "special" occasions, and then they were too small)

Hope this helps,
kellee
From: lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov (Lindsay Schachinger)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How do you get a 7 month old to stay still!!!
Date: 12 Jan 1993 23:01:26 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.22

In article <1993Jan12.111402.6560@kth.se> d85-hga@dront.nada.kth.se (Hillevi Gavel) writes:
>We gave up using the changing table whrn Alvin was 8 months old. (He
>squirmed around, stood up, and throw diapers all over the
>bath-room...) We put him in the bath-tub and cleaned him with the hand
>shower, and put on his diaper (dispoisable) while he was standing.

We almost gave up on the changing table at the same time, but
when I tried changing David on the floor it was even worse. If he
was on the floor he *expected* to be able to move around --- roll
over, crawl away --- and got really frustrated when I wouldn't
let him. So we just kept changing and dressing him on the
changing table (which is a big plywood monster built by his
grandfather, so maybe that helps). After a month or so, he
stopped complaining quite so much and now it's bearable for
everyone. 

Lindsay


-- 

   Lindsay Schachinger			lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov
   Exploratory Studies Group		ucbvax!sesame.lbl.gov!lindsay
   Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory		(510) 486-5009
From: cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham)
Subject: Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Organization: University Advancement, University of Calif., Irvine
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:43:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.045240.11706@news2.cis.umn.edu> Theresa Jarosz Alberti <sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu> writes:

>I'm really interested in alternatives to spanking when dealing with
>children too young to understand reasoning.  My son and daughter are 17
>months old and they are starting to get into behaviors I'm not sure how
>to handle.  

>I "spanked" them for the first time (slapped their hands) when, after
>hours of "no touch!" from me concerning the Christmas tree lights, I came
>into the room and found them playing with the lights AND my son had them
>wrapped around his neck!  

>Another problem has been feeding time.  They've gotten into very
>purposefully throwing their food on the floor.  We say "no!" loud, louder
>and even louder, and they smile cunningly and drop the food slowly onto
>the floor.  We've gotten into spaking their hands for this and
>threatening to take them out of their high chairs.  Sometimes they even
>smile after being slapped!

>What is most frustrating is that I do not want to slap them.  I want
>there to be a way to discipline my children without hitting, but I'm not
>sure what else to do.  I can see when they're a little older I can use
>"time-outs" and simple cause-and-effect, but what to do with 17 month
>olds?

>Any suggestions would be appreciated!

>Theresa Jarosz Alberti       sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu

I have an almost 4yo and a 19mo, so I know what you're talking about.
IMO, the behaviour which you mention is very normal for this age, and
should be expected.  Avoid a possible catastrophe (with the tree
lights) by either taking them down or placing them high up on the
tree out of reach.  The "drop the food" game is a favorite with toddlers!
Both of my children went through this.  What did I do about it?  1) I
put an old rug underneath the high chair to protect my carpet; and 2) I
gave them one warning like, "no, no...we don't drop our food on the
floor".  Then, when they dropped the food again, I took it away and said,
"oh well, no more toast!" (or whatever it was).  Try not to take it
personally.  They aren't being defiant just to show you who's boss.
They are testing their limits (and learning something about gravity too
:) ) and it's up to you to set those limits in a firm, yet kind manner.
The child learns that the logical consequence of dropping food
is to have that food taken away.  The game usually stops being fun, and
they quit.

- Cindy Windham
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 19:29:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.172058.9109@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.145255.3618@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only) writes:
>>Reason is based partially on experience, but not limited to it.  I am asking
>>what reason you use to justify infant circumcision.  If your response is to
>>say "well, I like it so my son will therefore like it too", I'll say you have
>>no reason to believe this statement, and ask why you think so.  So far, I
>>have yet to see a satisfactory response and I would claim this is because
>>you can't know that an infant would desire to be cut or not.  This is where
>>human rights comes in.  If you can't determine the wishes of the infant then
>>(barring medical emergencies) when it comes to circumcision, the decision
>>should be left to the infant when he grows up.
>>
>>What basis do you use to justify making this decision for the infant?  In
>>answering this question, I would caution you not to use false analogies
>>like comparing the circumcision decision to immunizations or any other 
>>decision that parents make for children.  With circumcision we are talking
>>about a medically unnecessary procedure, that if done to an unconsenting
>>adult would result in legal action against those involved.
>>
>>Jim Copeland
>>--
>>Have you washed your brain today?
>
>	
>	You are obviously the exact type of bleeding heart liberal
>	who would continually keep our courts tied up in knots if
>	allowed to.
>
>	Parents are there to make decisions for their kids because
>	kids are incapable of making good ones.  If that, to you,
>	means that "the kids have no rights", then I'll have to
>	say it that way.  They have basic human rights.  That's
>	all.

Is this really the best argument you can come up with? This is rather pathetic.
How many kids do you know who would choose to be circumcised?

I am forced to take your reply as an admission that there really is no good
reason to continue the routine practice of infant circumcision.  On the 
contrary, it continues as a cultural/religious tradition only.  Those who
blindly follow tradition are blinded by it.

So there is really no use in continuing this "debate" if we can't agree on
this basic premise: our actions should be based on reasonable justifications,
not on arbitrary traditions.  If it doesn't bother you to know that you act
without reason then there is nothing I can say to change your mind.

Jim Copeland
--
Have you washed your brain today?
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.pagan
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Re: First birthday party ideas?
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:20:58 GMT

In article <C0EFu6.44M@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.181724.8075@oracle.us.oracle.com>, shobart@us.oracle.com (Sarah Groves Hobart) writes...
>>	2) Do you have any ideas on how to recognize a godfather other
>>		than with a formal christening?
>> 
>
>First of all, how did he get a godfather without a formal 
>christening?
>
>My husband and I will be facing the same problem.  He's atheist 
>and I'm agnostic.
>
>Anyway, we would also like to have a christening ceremony of some 
>sort, with participation by godparents.  
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>- Peggy -

I'm confused.  Why would atheist, agnostic, or religously
indifferent folks want their child to have godparents of
any variety?  What function would that person fill in their
child's life?

(Which is a different issue from wanting to have a formal
non-religious ceremony of some kind on the birth of a child.)

Elise.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: spirkov@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Lilly Spirkovska)
Subject: Day Care / Nanny
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:26:28 GMT


I'm not sure this is the right newsgroup for this.  Please excuse me
if it's not...  I tried limiting distribution to just the SF bay area but
if it didn't work, you may want to hit 'n' now.

My sister is having a baby in April & will need to find a day care or
nanny situation for when she goes back to work (June?).  She's therefore
looking for recommendations on schools/nannies on her commute to work.
She works at Tandem (Great America Pkwy between 101 & 237) and lives down
in San Jose (680 & Berryessa).  I guess she's looking for places closer
to work but anywhere in between would probably work as well.

If you have a nanny situation or a day care that you & your child really
like in any of the areas between the SJ airport & probably up to Mathilda &
101, please let me know.  

Thanks for any advice.

					Lilly
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: gifts for baby shower
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:42:25 GMT

A great idea for baby showers is to have the parents register at a baby
shop or department store, just as people do for wedding gifts.  They
can state exactly what they want, and duplications can be avoided.  Since
it's good for business, you shouldn't have trouble finding a shop that
will do it.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:55:13 EST
From: Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Book recommend request--trucks

Douglas (15 mos) is developing a fascination with trucks/cars/etc.  There
are a million books along these lines, obviously a hot kid topic.  What ones
have other children this age enjoyed?  We have, and Doug likes:
1.  Fire Engines (Anne Rockwell)
2.  Things that Go (Anne Rockwell)
3.  Freight Train (Daniel Crews)
4.  A chunky board book called "Trucks"

I'm looking for things with good pictures--we aren't really at the "story"
stage yet.

Thanks,

Chris Himes
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ramon@convex.com (Ramon Dominguez)
Subject: Re: Earrings 
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:31:21 GMT
Organization: The Arts Babblative and Scribblative
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              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1993Jan7.005115.6400@ast.saic.com> hyler@ast.saic.com writes:
=>inherited her mother-in-laws pierced earrings with the suggestion
=>that now is a good time to pierce her ears.  Well, she wanted none
=>of that and used these adaptors instead.

See how much trouble her parents could have saved her by piercing her
ears as an infant?  Anyone know where to get clip-on noserings?  I'll
bet you could make a few dollars selling clip-on lip plates to the Ubangi,
by the way!

-- 
Ramon Dominguez             | "Work is the curse of the drinking class"       
Convex Computer Corporation |                            --Oscar Wilde
ramon@convex.com            | "Ceci n'est pas une .signature file"
From: janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane Marcus)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:31:07 GMT
Subject: Re: embarrassing things they do
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: misc.kids

My dad used to have a full white beard and at times was somewhat round.
I think he looked like an old Russian rabbi, but the kids in the 
supermarket would quite often think he was Santa.  He really got a kick 
out of the kids waving to him and smiling at him, and sometimes
he'd get carried away and buy the kids a candy bar (with parents
permission of course).  We chuckled when overhearing my niece (his 
granddaughter who apparently believed also that he was Santa) in the 
following conversation:

niece's friend:  "There's no such thing as Santa Claus!"
niece:  "There is too! But he doesn't really live in the North Pole...
	 he lives in Massachusetts!"

Jane Marcus
jane@apollo.hp.com
From: ff@mtung.att.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Family safety (Was Re: How to protect your family from the State)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 17:46:18 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



> Issue #1 family safety:
> Suppose you were driving alone on a poorly lit street, no other cars and
> suddenly an unmarked car pulls up behind you and flashes a red light.
> Do you pull over just cause of a red light?  Do you keep driving at or
> below the speed limit to a crowded and well lit place first?
>Not sure what the cop would think, but I'd go for the 2nd option (stopping
>in a crowded/well-lit place).
>Anyone know what the "legal" take on this is?

	I don't know how accurate this is but a year ago I was driving by
myself from NJ to Georgia and a man I met during one of my stops warned me 
that people were posing as cops using a flashing light to simulate an 
unmarked car.  He told me that I did NOT have to stop if I saw an unmarked car 
flashing since it is not required by law.

Frances 
ff@mtung.att.com
(first time mommy to be around 4-13-93)
From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: breast feeding
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:52:23 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <C0p9F0.H5q@ns1.nodak.edu> galster@plains.NoDak.edu (Dwight Galster) writes:
~By all means breast-feed for as long as you can.  I think there is quite
~a difference in the health of children who are breast fed at least for
~a while vs. not at all.

There have been a number of magazine articles about this lately - the gist
being that breast-fed babies have better mental development and resistance
to, among other things, gastro-enteritis, but I am extremely sceptical of
the data that is used to support these claims. I wonder if anyone can direct 
me to a reference where the datasets are described and the safeguards taken
to rule out other factors are discussed?




-- 
===Jeremy Henderson===jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk=          

This message cost the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars.
Bloody good value if you ask me.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ashley@oar.net (Ashley Burns)
Subject: Re: **NEW MOMMY NEEDS HELP!!**
Organization: OARnet, Columbus, OH.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:22:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.205042.24596@nwnexus.WA.COM> jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle) writes:
>In article <29077@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
>>> mcsnewton@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>>
>>>Breast-feeding (which I'm still mulling over) versus formula-feeding
>>
>>Although obviously every woman has to decide what is best for her and
>>her family, there is absolutely no question that breastfeeding is best
>>for the baby.  (I am more than slightly fanatical on this subject,

>had OTHER ideas.  He did NOT like the breast.  He fought it and cried every
>step of the way.  After less that two weeks I just had to give it up.  I
>cried for two days.  I couldn't bring myself to give him that first bottle--
>too many tears.  He took to the bottle with absolutely no problem and while

I have a good friend who used to look down her nose at people who would 
feed their babies. Then, when her baby was 7 weeks old, he simply 
WOULD NOT take the breast. She had to swallow her pride and feed him 
Isomil, which he loved. This was rough! (She and I are staunch believers
in breastfeeding, although I myself stopped at 4.5 months from sheer 
exhaustion and a desire to have my body back, a whole other story.)

>  Keep your mind open as your baby may have other plans.
>You'll spare yourself many a crying session, believe me.
>Jennifer

This is good advice whatever the baby-relaed subject. Babies are 
variable in so many ways, and your expectations are only, well, 
expectations. May yours be closer to the truth than mine were
(although it worked out just fine in the end)!

--Ashley
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hyler@ast.saic.com (Buffy Hyler)
Subject: Re: Chicken Pox
Reply-To: hyler@ast.saic.com
Organization: SAIC
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:01:48 GMT

In article 4xv@SSD.intel.com, wang@ssd.intel.com (Wen-Lin Wang) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.194800.1710@cbnewse.cb.att.com> elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen) writes:
>>
>>...  She hasn't had the chicken pox yet
>>either, and it seemed to me that at her age she ought to get
>>the chicken pox vaccine...
>
>First of all I am glad to hear there is such vaccine.  Can this vaccine
>be given to babies as part of their immunization program?  When I asked
>my daughter's pediatrician a couple of years ago, she disapproved such a
>notion and gave me an impression that such vaccine either does not exist
>or is not worth it.  I don't even know if I had chicken pox :(.

It does exist, it doesn't have final FDA approval as a general
vaccine.  I believe certain kids at risk for complications if they get
chicken pox can get this vaccine without the final approval, but not
for general immunization until then.  I asked my pediatrician just
about 8 months ago at my son's 5 year check up and he was somewhat
quite incensed at the FDA for not finishing what he said was "just
paperwork and signatures" to release the vaccine.  (I was surprised
because he is a fairly mild mannered person normally.)


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