HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: avolio@dco.DEC.COM (Frederick M. Avolio)
Subject: Re: Ultrix 4.2a, and patches for 4.2
Reply-To: avolio@dco.DEC.COM (Frederick M. Avolio)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp., Washington ULTRIX Resource Center
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:29:45 GMT


The deal with patches is that they are only good for the version they were
made for unless the customer support center tells you to apply the same
patches to the new system. 

What do you do?  You ask customer support for the same patches but for,
in this case, 4.2A.

Fred
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: harrold@kirk.msoe.edu
Subject: Re: Need Project Tracking/Milestones software.
Reply-To: harrold@kirk.msoe.edu
Organization: Milwaukee School Of Engineering, Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:58:49 GMT

In article <920407141743.18206@csserver.osf.org>, omar@osf.org (Mark Marino) writes:
>
>Here's the original article in case it was expired at your site:
>
>Does anyone know of any Project Tracking/Milestones software that runs under
>Ultrix?  It doesn't have to be that powerful, just good enough to draw some
>basic schedule time-lines.
>
>Ideally, some PD software would be great but commercial stuff is o.k. too.
>
>In case I'm not making myself clear, I'm looking for something that'll 
>let me do something like this:
>
>                Week1   Week2    Week3    Week4
>
>Study survey      ^-------^
>Collect info      ^-----------------^
>Bahamas                   ^---------^
>Get rich                            ^-------^
>
>If anyone can give me pointers to such a beast, it would be greatly 
>appreciated.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Mark
>

Mark,

	I was just paging through my copy of the ULTRIX Software Source Book
and there is a section in the index on Project Management - Software.  There is
a list of about 5 different packages.  They look like they are all commercial
and (obviously :-) ) software oriented.

	The other section is Project Management-Buisness.  This section has
several products that look like they will do what you want.

	I don't use any of the products listed, so I can't help you with any
descriptions or horror stories or whatever.

	You could probably get a copy of the ULTRIX Software Source Book from
your DEC sales rep.  I got mine from a reply card in the ULTRIX Doc. set.

Good Luck,

David Harrold


..............................................................................

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Milwaukee School Of Engineering				  Phone: 414-277-7286
Academic Computing Services				  FAX:   414-277-7465
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: mjr@hussar.dco.dec.com (Marcus J. "will do TCP/IP for food" Ranum)
Subject: Re: Why is dxclock bigger than vmunix?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Washington ULTRIX Resource Center
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:45:20 GMT

jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes:

>OK, I give up.  *Why* would anyone even _want_ to do something like this?
>Seems like gratuitous "functional consolidation" to me.

	Ok, I'll enlighten you. It's the *ONLY* efficient and easy way
to do shared libraries. ;)

	No, really. Think about it. You link N programs together so that
they check argv[0] and branch based on what they're invoked as. That way
you only have one copy of the text, you don't multiply link in the whole
of X11, etc, etc, etc.

mjr.
Xref: sparky comp.unix.ultrix:3733 comp.sys.dec:2464
From: orourke@mee.tcd.ie
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix,comp.sys.dec
Subject: Ethernet Device Problem
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:59:13 GMT
Organization: Microelectronics Dept, Trinity College Dublin

We are running Verilog on a DECstation 5000/200 with ULTRIX 4.0 operating 
system.  After a serious disk crash Verilog no longer worked.  
The problem is that previous to a disk crash Verilog worked fine.  After the
disk crash and a further hardware (basically, the motherboard and videocard
were replaced) crash, Verilog had to be reinstalled and re
compiled.  This I did as before.  However, Verilog now doesn't even pass the
Acceptance test supplied by Gateway.  The message given is that it 
"Couldn't Locate Your Ethernet Device".  I suspect it is a system problem 
but I'm not very well versed in the more intricate workings of ULTRIX (i.e.
I'm not a system manager and we don't have one.)  Our ftp and telnet services 
are running fine on the DEC5000 that Verilog is installed on.  The operating 
system is ULTRIX 4.0.  I would appreciate any information that could be 
of any use!  Thanks in advance.
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| Department Of Electronic & ||		                     |
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From: jmn@crown.berkeley.edu (J. Mark Noworolski)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Where is rint()?
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:08:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.rqp6aINN71b
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: crown.berkeley.edu

Should 'double rint(x)' be missing from math.h?
(ultrix 4.2 on dec5000)

man rint gives:

   RISC                                                             floor(3m)

   Name
     floor, ffloor, fabs, ceil, ceil, trunc, ftrunc, fmod, rint - floor,
     absolute value, ceiling, truncation, floating point remainder and
     round-to-nearest functions

   Syntax
     #include <math.h>

     double rint(x)
     double x;



mark
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: grunwald@mumble.cs.colorado.edu (Dirk Grunwald)
Subject: Re: DECstation 5000/240 hangs
Reply-To: grunwald@foobar.cs.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:12:36 GMT


If you're using 'amd' (5.3beta), then that might explain it. Drop back
to 5.3alpha14 if you are using it. We encounted similar problems using
that version of the AMD automounter.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr)
Subject: Re: nfs-server patch
Keywords: nfs,performance
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:13:08 GMT

In article <petav.702568969@e20.physik.TU-Muenchen.DE> petav@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Peter Averkamp) writes:

>According
>to what i've heard & read about it from DEC, data loss seems to be 
>at least probable, if not the compelling punishment for anybody
>who dares to apply the evil methods of its competitors to DEC's
>machines.

The only time async NFS loses data when synchronous NFS does not is when
the server crashes without saving dirty buffers (this happens on power
failure and sometimes when a disk fails).  In this case up to 30 seconds
of writes may be lost.  The exact amount depends on the timing of the
crash and the disk I/O rate.

Except when the server crashes, there is no reason to expect data loss.
MIT-Athena runs its servers with syncwrite off.

--
    John Carr (jfc@athena.mit.edu)
From: fox@rudolf.nscl.msu.edu (Ron Fox)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: FDDI on DECstation 500/200 with Ultrix 4.2
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:11:16 GMT
Reply-To: fox@rudolf.nscl.msu.edu (Ron Fox)
Organization: National Superconducting Cyclotron Lab.

--
  I have a DECstation 5000/200 which has both a FDDI and an
ETHERNET interface.  The network configuration includes a
10/100 bridge which bridges the ETHERNET and FDDI that the
DECstation sits on.  I want to start up the FDDI interface on
the 5000.  I did an ifconfig for the second internet address...
I could telnet from 5000 to 5000, could not go inbound to the
DECstation from the ETHERNET segment and a bit later, the
DECstation hung.
   Is what I'm doing supported?  Is the network configuration 
legal?  Software is currently Ultrix 4.2
	Thanks,
	Ron

Ron Fox                     | FOX@MSUNSCL.BITNET      | Where the name 
NSCL                        | FOX@RUDOLF.NSCL.MSU.EDU | goes on before
Michigan State University   | MSUHEP::RUDOLF::FOX     | the quality
East Lansing, MI 48824-1321 |                         | goes in.
USA
From: hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: mop
Keywords: core
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:45:15 GMT
Organization: Clemson University

Does anyone know why my mop_download dumps a core in / everytime there's
a mop broadcast (for anyone)? I didn't care until I started wanting
to use mop for something, and now...

8810, ULTRIX 4.1

-Mike
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: lezz@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com (Lezz Giles)
Subject: undump for Ultrix 4.2
Keywords: undump
Reply-To: lezz@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com (Lezz Giles)
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, MA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:42:28 GMT


I'm looking for an "undump" for Ultrix 4.2.  "undump"
is a program which will take a core image and produce
an executable, a technique which is used (I believe) by
GNU emacs, and which can be used to make faster Perl scripts
(both emacs and perl load up and compile lots of "source"
initially - emacs loads up emacs-lisp and perl loads up perl
source - and if they can be persuaded to dump core _after_
loading everything, and "undump" is used on that core, then
you have an executable emacs or perl program with all the
initialization stuff out of the way).

So does anybody have an "undump"?

Lezz "no signature yet" Giles
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: paris@zygon.dev.cdx.mot.com (Gregory M. Paris)
Subject: Re: Making one disk drive capable of booting any model DECstation
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, Massachusetts
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:28:30 GMT

paulh@goose.aa.ox.com (Paul Haas) writes:
>We have development workstations in Ann Arbor, MI and production
>workstations Purchase, NY.  We formatted a disk and installed Ultrix
>4.2 on it, using a DECstation 5000/125.  We then copied it to another
>diskdrive.  I made an almost GENERIC kernal that would support all the
>DECstation models.  I then flew to New York and tried to use these
>disks on a model 5000/200 and a 3100.  Both machines panic'ed when they
>tried to start the X server.  It turns out that /dev/mouse varies
>between models.  After fixing that, everything worked.
>I did waste a lot of time learning this.

Paul, I ran into the very same problem.  The way I got around it was to
use the sizer program.  Remove the devices, use sizer to tell you what
kind of machine you've got, then build the proper devices using
MAKEDEV.  The some sample code below should get you most of the way
there.

Greg

-- 

cd /dev
rm -f mouse tty[0-9][0-9a-f]
if test -f /etc/sizer
then cpu=`/etc/sizer -c`
else cpu=UNKNOWN
fi
case "$cpu" in
DS3100)
    ./MAKEDEV dc0 lta0 lta1 lta2	# DECstation 3100 pointing device and ttys
    ;;
DS5000*)
    ./MAKEDEV scc0 lta0 lta1 lta2	# DECstation 5000 pointing device and ttys
    ;;
*)
    echo "Don'y know how to make mouse and ttys for a $cpu."
    ./MAKEDEV dc0 scc0 lta0 lta1 lta2	# give it our best shot
    ;;
esac

-- 

Greg Paris <paris@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com> or <paris_g@msm.cdx.mot.com>
Motorola Codex, 20 Cabot Blvd C1-30, Mansfield, MA  02048-1193
Office: +1 617 821-7020; FAX: +1 617 821-4211; Home: +1 401 333-2206
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: syslog in the mail queue directory?
From: russells@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Russell Street)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:23:41 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

Are there any good reasons why the default installation procedure
for Ultrix (4.1 on a MicroVax) puts the syslog into /var/spool/mqueue?

Would there be any problems changing /etc/syslog.conf and
/var/adm/newsyslog (that rotates the log) to put it somewhere
more sensible (like /usr/adm/syslog/).

Problems of syslog filling up the file system do not really
exist on this machine -- having only one physical disk, two file
systems and a set of users that do not generate much syslog
traffic.

Thanks...
--------------------------------------------------------------
Russell Street (russells@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz)

Had you been alive at 3 am on the third of Autumn and switched
on your wireless you would have heard this:
From: hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: WHAT is the FASTEST way to load a Decstation 5000/240
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:00:23 GMT
Organization: Clemson University


     for (;;) if (fork() = 0) execl(argv[0]);       should do it :-).

I'm glad it's friday.

-Mike
From: mkibler@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Michael K. Kibler)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Will 4.2 work on 5000/240s
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:12:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Apr10.141259.23041
Organization: Washington State University
Originator: mkibler@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu


Will Ultrix 4.2 work on the 240 or will I need to upgrade to 4.2a
before upgrading my 5000/200 to a 240? I needed 4.2a for I could
install on a 5000/25.

Thanks in advance
-- 
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From: gringort@wsl.dec.com (Joel Gringorten)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: Why is dxclock bigger than vmunix?
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:54:57 GMT
Reply-To: gringort@wsl.dec.com (Joel Gringorten)
Distribution: na
Organization: DEC Western Software Lab

In article <1992Apr16.192350.23437@uwm.edu>, jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (John G Dobnick) writes:
|> From article <29EDBABE.558@noiro.acs.uci.edu>, by iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias):
|> > 
|> > dxclock is also dxcalc, dxcalendar, and dxpuzzle.  They are all
|> > hardlinked to the same executable.  
|> 
|> OK, I give up.  *Why* would anyone even _want_ to do something like this?
|> Seems like gratuitous "functional consolidation" to me.
|> 

See my last post.  The bulk of a DECwindows image is in the statically 
linked-in libraries -- not the application specific code.
By merging all the DECwindows apps together, we save a whole lot of disk 
space on your system by not replicating the libraries in a bunch of 
seperate images.

-joel
From: arons@ash.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Tom Arons)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: aliases under YP
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:29:13 GMT
Organization: University of California at Davis
In-reply-to: mitch@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU's message of 15 Apr 92 20:26:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.202645.19253@tc.cornell.edu> mitch@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Mitch Collinsworth) writes:

   >I've recently set up yellow pages to run on our network of
   >10 DECstations. Everything has gone smoothly until now when
   >I tried to get aliases included in my yp mapfiles. I have
   >created a file 'mail.aliases' in my source directory using
   >the standard aliases format, run 'make aliases', and then
   >checked the results with 'ypcat aliases' and everything
   >looks fine. I then modified 'svc.conf' to read 'aliases=local,yp'
   >and tried sending mail using the aliases. Nothing is being
   >aliased! How do I get sendmail to look at my yp aliases?
   >Is there an equivalent 'newaliases' command that I can run?

   I have this working, but I did aliases=yp, rather than aliases=local,yp
   so I don't know if that is where the difference lies or not.

aliases=local,yp works fine on our systems.  We have a heavily localized
sendmail.cf, but the aliases worked fine with DEC's vanilla sendmail.cf.
Make sure the two rules under "Optional Rules for Name Server Users" are
not commented out.

   The gotcha that I found strange is that the format of mail.aliases
   is NOT the same as that of /usr/lib/aliases.  Lines in /usr/lib/aliases
   have the form:

   alias :		name

   while lines in mail.aliases have the form

   alias		name
   When I created mail.aliases with colons I found the colons being included
   in the aliases.  Without them it works fine.

Here is a perl script that I picked up someplace and modified slightly to deal
with comment lines that will convert /usr/lib/aliases into something that 
makedbm will do the right thing with.  I have incorporated it into the yp 
Makefile on our system.  It reads stdin and writes to stdout. I'm sorry that I
lost the original contributor's name.

#!/usr/local/bin/perl
loop: while (<>) {
    s/^\s*#.*//;
    next if /^\s*$/;
    if (($alias, $rest) = /(^\S+):\s*(.*\S)\s*/) {
        print $alias, ' ', $rest;
        for (;($_ = <>) && s/^\s+(.*\S)\s*/$1/;print " \\\n", $_) {}
        print "\n";
        redo loop unless eof && /^$/;
        exit;
    }
    print STDERR "lousy line:\n", $_, "\n";
}



   The other problem that I haven't found a solution for is how to make an
   alias that includes the contents of a file.  We used to do this with lines
   of the form:

   alias :		:Include:/filename

   but this doesn't seem to work in mail.aliases.

This works without problem on our system.

Tom Arons			Internet: arons@eecs.ucdavis.edu
EE/CS Department		Bitnet:   tgarons@ucdavis
University of California	UUCP:     {lll-crg, ucbvax}!ucdavis!iris!arons
Davis, CA 95616			Phone:    (916) 752-1750




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From: mamros@athena.lkg.dec.com (Shawn Mamros)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: Making one disk drive capable of booting any model DECstation
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:30:07 GMT
Reply-To: mamros@athena.lkg.dec.com (Shawn Mamros)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


paris@zygon.dev.cdx.mot.com (Gregory M. Paris) writes:
|> Paul, I ran into the very same problem.  The way I got around it was to
|> use the sizer program.  Remove the devices, use sizer to tell you what
|> kind of machine you've got, then build the proper devices using
|> MAKEDEV.  The some sample code below should get you most of the way
|> there.
|> 
|> Greg
|> 
|> -- 
|> 
|> cd /dev
|> rm -f mouse tty[0-9][0-9a-f]
|> if test -f /etc/sizer
|> then cpu=`/etc/sizer -c`
|> else cpu=UNKNOWN
|> fi
|> case "$cpu" in
|> DS3100)
|>     ./MAKEDEV dc0 lta0 lta1 lta2	# DECstation 3100 pointing device and ttys
|>     ;;
|> DS5000*)
|>     ./MAKEDEV scc0 lta0 lta1 lta2	# DECstation 5000 pointing device and ttys
|>     ;;
|> *)
|>     echo "Don'y know how to make mouse and ttys for a $cpu."
|>     ./MAKEDEV dc0 scc0 lta0 lta1 lta2	# give it our best shot
|>     ;;
|> esac

This won't work quite right on a 5000/200, which has the same serial line
driver as the DS3100.

Here's a replacement case statement that should work a little better
(on ULTRIX V4.2{,A} systems).

case "$cpu" in
DS3100 | DS5000)
	./MAKEDEV dc0 lta0 lta1 lta2	# DECstation 3100 and 5000/200
	;;
DS5000_* | DSPERSONAL*)
	./MAKEDEV scc0 lta0 lta1 lta2	# DECstation 5000/{xx,1xx,240}
	;;
DS5100)
	./MAKEDEV mdc0 lta0 lta1 lta2	# DECsystem 5100 (not a 5000/1xx!)
	;;
*)
	echo "Can't make mouse or ttys for a $cpu."
	./MAKEDEV lta0 lta1 lta2	# assuming no other tty driver present
	;;
esac

(insert warnings about being unsupported, use at your own risk, etc.)

-Shawn Mamros
E-mail to: mamros@athena.lkg.dec.com
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: reber@ceres.fccc.edu (John Reber)
Subject: Re: ULTRIX V4.2A dxterm wierdness!
Originator: reber@ceres
Keywords: ULTRIX 4.2A dxterm
Organization: Fox Chase Cancer Center
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:12:42 GMT


In article <lloyd.703279619@femto.engr.mun.ca>, lloyd@jeeves.engr.mun.ca (Lloyd Little) writes:
> After installing the V4.2A upgrade, I find that dxterm can't open display
> on machines which it used to be able to. The old dxterm still works. Is
> this a new feature of V4.2A? If so it's very annoying. The remote node
> is listed in the access control list, and dxterm actually works over the
> TCP/IP transport but not DECNET! I've tried putting the DECNET node name in
> as femto::, FEMTO::, and 1.272::, none of which work. Any clues would be
> appreiciated.
> 
> PS. Anyone known how to disable the 'pause' feature of dxsession???
> 
> --
> Lloyd Little		Programmer Consultant CCAE
> 			Memorial University of NFLD. Canada
> 			(709) 737-3108
> lloyd@femto.engr.mun.ca

call your DEC rep...ask for the ultrix 4.2a dxsession patch(dxsession, dxterm,
dxue and dxwm are the same file hard linked)...we had a similar problem with a
couple of VT1300's we have laying around...when the terminals were booted via
decnet, and you tried logging in, you would come right back to your login
screen...if you booted from tcp things worked fine...when you get the patch,
you'll need to delete "dxsession, dxterm, dxue and dxwm" and the link them back
to your new dxsession


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From: catone@drachma.wharton.upenn.edu (Tony Catone)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: postsript to Hp laserjetIID
Date: 17 Apr 92 04:51:02 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania
In-reply-to: cummings@erich.triumf.ca's message of 6 Apr 92 18:10:00 GMT

In article <6APR199210103842@erich.triumf.ca> cummings@erich.triumf.ca (William J. Cummings aka Milo) writes:
   Is there software available
   to convert the Postscript files into files which can be 
   printed on the HP laserprinter?

GhostScript will do this.  Or you can get a PostScript cartridge for
your HP laserprinter.  We do this with a HP LJ III.  The only rub is that
with our cartridge, there is no software command to switch from PS to
PCL mode, so we use Adobe Transcript's lpd filters to translate plain
text to PS on the fly.


- Tony
  catone@dmark.wharton.upenn.edu
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: loss of carrier == no exit
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:29:24 GMT
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service

ULTRIX 4.2 on a MicroVAX II...

When a csh remote user su's and carrier gets dropped, the su'd shell exits
to the original user shell, but the modem does not reset.  It appears that
Bourne shell users don't create the problem.  Any ideas?
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: mjr@hussar.dco.dec.com (Marcus J. "will do TCP/IP for food" Ranum)
Subject: Re: Why is dxclock bigger than vmunix?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Washington ULTRIX Resource Center
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:41:03 GMT

peterd@pjd.dev.cdx.mot.com (Peter Desnoyers) writes:

>WHY DOES IT TAKE 400K BYTES MORE CODE SPACE AND 200K BYTES MORE
>DATA SPACE TO PUT A SILLY CLOCK ON THE SCREEN THAN TO IMPLEMENT ULTRIX?

	If you don't like it, don't run it. If you want to reclaim the
disk space, delete it. It's your system.

	Bloated applications are not only a topic that's been flogged to
death, they're a topic that the world seems pretty split on. Some people
clamor for FEATURES and base their operating system and hardware purchases
based on them. Others clamor for minimalism. It's hard to please both.

	I favor minimalism myself, but - it's a matter of taste.

mjr.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix,comp.sys.dec