From: bkwg0457@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Whitlock)
Subject: Re: Co-op house forming in Urbana for fall, veg-friendly
Reply-To: bwhitlock@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: il
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:36:45 GMT

nagorsky@engin.umich.edu (Brian Nagorsky) writes:

>In article <Brq2vr.J7B@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jvmg9796@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doc) writes:
>>jrw27953@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon W.) writes:
>>
>>>	        Six or seven people would live in the house.
>>
>>If I remember correctly, there is an ordinance in either U or C, 
>>or maybe both, or maybe its a county or even state law, that no more
>>than 4 unrelated people can live in the same place.  I dont know how
>>they define a "place" though.  If >4 people are living there and
>>someone complains, anyone whose name isnt on the lease will get
>>kicked out.  Not a pleasant thing to deal with.
>>

>Usually, cities have these laws.  I'm not sure what they are their to prevent
>but they do usually exist.  More than x number of people in a unit refers
>usually to an apartment so the houses that have about 10 people usually
>are legally three aparments or some such thing.
>  Fraternities, sororities, co-ops and other rooming house types structures
>are exempted from this just like a dorm is.


Manassas, Virginia had such a law when I was there on a co-op assignment in
1986.  Although I'm not sure what it's original intent was, it was used by
the city to harass co-op students.  There were four co-op students working
at IBM who were renting a townhome together.  These were not party-hardy
headbangers or the like, and did nothing to disturb the peace of the
neighborhood.  One day after work, one of them decided to introduce himself
to his neighbor, who was outside mowing the lawn.  In the conversation, it
came out that they were four  co-op students working at IBM and were going
to be staying there for about four months.  The neighbor was polite and
friendly, and seemed to appreciate the student's introducing himself to him.
The next day, the students were served an eviction notice by the police along
with a court order to never set foot in the neighborhood again after the
move-out deadline or be arrested for trespassing and violating the court order.
It turned out that unknown to the students or their landlord (a realty 
company) that the area was zoned residential with more than 3 unrelated
individuals living in the same residence illegal.  The neighbor turned out
to be on the city council and was apparantly afraid that the college students'
presence would decrease his property value.  In addition to this, when the
students tried to relocate, the three that were going to get another 
townhome for themselves ran into problems with all the local utility 
companies.  The police or the city councilman neighbor had called them all
informing them of the co-op students' eviction and that they were not to
provide service to them if they were relocating in the neighborhood or
living with more than 3 in the same dwelling.  The co-op students lost a
month's rent for the townhome in addition to the installation fees for
all the utilities.  There were other ways that the Manassas city police
harassed co-op student's but that is off the subject at hand.

>Brian Nagorsky

>P.S.  If there are co-ops out there that don't know of NASCO which is a the
>bi-national student co-op umbrella orgnization should email me with your
 ^^^^^^^^^^^
	What are the two nations?

>address and they can send youstuff. Also, they have a directory that they'd
>love to put you in.  

>P.P.S.  If there are any co-ops out there who are renting who would like to
>stay for the long term and buy a house should contact them.  
>NASCO's # is 313-663-0889
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Brent Whitlock		Beckman Institute for Advanced Science & Technology
bwhitlock@uiuc.edu	Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engineering
			University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign