Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
From: tloh@husc8.harvard.edu (Teck Loh)
Date: 23 Aug 92 18:10:27 EDT
 <1992Aug21.205449.15647@leland.Stanford.EDU> <1992Aug23.134025.89850@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Aug23.134025.89850@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.205449.15647@leland.Stanford.EDU>, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>> [someone else's comments deleted]
>> I am focused on the discussion.  My only point is that
>>      if the Chinese bastards want an apology from the Japanese for
>                      ^^^^^^^^
>>      specific events in WWII, then the Chinese bastards should
>                                                 ^^^^^^^^
>>      also demand an apology from the Chinese for specific atrocities
>>      that they committed.
>
>Joe Dwight,
>
>You have degenerated into simple NAME CALLING.  Elsewhere you call Chinese
>twits and idiots.  You are not doing your cause any good (whatever this may
>be because all you are showing is your anti-Chinese feeling).  If you have
>a definite grievence to display then there are more civil ways of doing it
>without making (what seems to be) general racial slurs.  Furthermore, if
>you wish to make your point on one particular set of people/s then you
>should be more careful in your postings to make sure that it is CLEAR who
>in particular you want to criticise.
>
>> (That includes Chinese killing American boys during the Korean war.)
>
>I do believe that Americans killed Chinese too!  However, the main people
>hurt were Korean (by BOTH sides) and they deserve FIRST consideration.
>
>> The Japanese have already done more than the Chinese.
>
>Dwight Joe,
>
>You seem to be harping on the same "Chinese apologise before Japanese"
>theme.  I feel that the main point of this whole discussion is whether
>the Japanese Emperor should make formal apologies, not only to the 
>Chinese Government, but also to the other nations in the region for 
>what happened in WWII.
>
>Granted that there is now a new generation of Japenese living now who did
>not experience the war As in every country in the world).  However, the
>elders in each of our societies STILL remember the war and have
>NOT FORGOTTEN what happened.  I feel that we should be looking to the
>future and not the past but there is an old saying (which I can't
>rmember exactly but goes something like this ...)
>
>"Those who do not remember the past are destined to relive it"
>
>MY POINT is that a formal apology would help sooth feelings in ALL nations
>in the region.  In AUSTRALIA there is still a lot of anti-Japenese feeling
>amongst the war veterans and those who lost friends/relatives due to
>conflict with the Japanese.
>
>When we hear that the Japanese school children are not learning the same
>history that we hear (in Australia) then people (here) are going to be very
>suspicious of what ideas the young Japanese are being brought up with. 
>
>The fact that a Chinese proposed this letter during a historic moment is
>a side issue  (Note: I am not absolving ANY Chinese who committed
>attrocities at ANY time, but am looking at the political/social
>situation as it stands in the region.  I also feel that Tibet is an
>unlawful invasion - and that's MY opinion).  The main issue is the
>relations between Japan and the rest of the region.
>
>Australia has its own sordid past with regard to the treatment of
>Aborigines in the past and the continuing problems now.  Only in the
>last couple of decades now (in my opinion again) has there been a
>concerted effort towards conciliation between them and the rest of
>Australia.  As Australians we have to strive for a better future ...
>but that can anly be done if we REMEMBER the past.
>
>And this applies to everyone!
>
>>>[stupidity deleted]
>>>Seikatsu no utakasa-wa nan desu ka
>>>Okane dewa arimasen, tadashi koto-o yaru koto!!
>> 
>> Chuugoku no bunka ga shinda hoo ga ii yo.  Chuugokujin wa doobutsu no
>> yoo ni kangaetari yattari shimasu.   Bakana hito da yo.
>
>If these AREN'T insults then why are they here.  Some sort of one-up-man-ship
>to say something in a non-English language?
>
>** FLAME ON **
>
>If they ARE insults then the authors are beneath contempt.  AS much as
>I'd prefer that people be more civil on the network, I detest people who
>insult someone else in languages that the "insultee" doesn't understand.
>ANYONE who uses a foreign language to insult others on the network is
>beneath contempt.  At least have the courage to use a language they
>understand.  Of course if they are only directed at that group, then it
>is allowable (I suppose).
>
>** FLAME OFF **
>

Dwight Joe,
   Don't be a coward!! Why not translate the japanese phrase you wrote above in
English?? According to my translation, our good friend, DWIGHT JOE wrote that, IT IS BETTER FOR THE CHINESE CULTURE TO DIE. THE CHINESE PEOPLE BEHAVE AND ACT
LIKE ANIMALS. THEY ARE REALLY STUPID PEOPLE. My translation is not very good.
Maybe you would like to translate for yourself.
  Your racist view put you in a small minority group. Since you do not like the
chinese, please get out from these groups. IT IS A WASTE OF TIME DISCUSSING
WITH YOU. BUZZ OFF!!!!!

T-P LOH


>-- 
>Don Lowe, Department of Physics, Monash University, 
>Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, 3168.
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