From: bosman@fwi.uva.nl (Cor Bosman)
Subject: Re: A new (very simple) bot solution
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:31:51 GMT

spidy@acca.nmsu.edu (Da Spidy-Mon) writes:

>Making it so that only one IRC session is used by only one LOGIN is still a
>good idea. I mean, most of the BOTS that are on the net are dead bots. No

No its NOT! Its a very bad idea. It has been said before, but this
would mean people will run more and more hacked clients which
fake the username. It also means, I could EASILY put up a user@host
pair for any arbitrary address, and thus succesfully locking that
person out of irc. Then we'll get the same shit with user/host
that we now have with nicknames. 
*luser* can you please kill n3tl0ser, he's using my address.

And not ALL bots are bad..I myself run kickserv, which plays as a UNO
host, and ive gotten real good responses on it. If that idea would
be inplemented..it'd mean I couldnt run the bot (and this is just
a personal example, im sure dozens of other people are in the same position)
cause im not in the position to create an account for it legally.

>good for nothing except for protecting their owner, kicking others, banning,
>or simple, stupid mode changes. Many of the so called prgrammers of these 
>bots do not know anything past /ON. Many of them have probably never seen
>a #define or even know what the hell a #define is...more or less pointers,
>queues, arrays, nodes...etc...Ture, IRC has come to a slow decline in its

Well, too bad not everyone is the expert you are. I mean, if everyone
would be a master in REAL programming languages like you.....
Get real! Everyone who starts making bots on irc will do that in 
scriptlanguage. Cause its easy..and will do exactly what they want it to.
Make them channel-op bots. I agree all those bots are lame, and I
wouldnt miss 90% of them, but a LOT of poeople on irc arent coders.
My first bot was an irc-script too. And it was lame as hell. 
kickserv is 80K C source. Maybe some of the current script-bot owners
will later make really cool and helpful robots. I dont mind them
playing around in the meanwhile. Too bad some dont know the difference
between playing and being obnoxious tho. 

>quality due to unnecessary BOTS and such..If people need protection, MAKE
>FRIENDS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD..I mean being in a virtual reality is bad enough.
>Then making a set of /ON statements so that one may be secure is eve worse.
>Not that I do not have anything against IRC..I, myself, IRC very frequently.
>Though, these days, I have become quite disgusted with the numerous "Bots" 
>It has gotten so bad that one cannot say more than 3-4 lines in a row w/o 
>getting kicked for some oddreason of flooding...GRRR...What the HELL?!?!?
>I know that peopel always complain about the bot mess on the NET..but things 
>need to be done...and soon...Have a nice days guys...see ya on the net.

I think most people agree that something needs to be done..but thats
more easily said then done. I think there currently is just no
way to handle this problem succesfully. 
Until there IS a way..which I dont see shortly, I just ignore all the
bots I dont like. Maybe you could do the same. Its real easy to avoid
half the clueless bot..just dont join #botsex or #bottub :*)

Cor bosman

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