From: gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: What *is* Homophobia (formerly: SLAMMING HOMOSEXUALS...)
Keywords: From: decay@
Organization: Stay Awake Software
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 23:38:00 GMT

<1992Jul7.180258.9345@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II) said:
>In article <1992Jul6.173557.1735@wam.umd.edu> judi@wam.umd.edu (Jay T Stein -- your name may vary) writes:
>>>I reject the hypothesis that
>>>homosexual relationship are monogamous throughout life, [...]
>>
>>On what grounds do you reject this hypothesis?  Just how much exposure have
>>you *had* to the gay community?  I've had a lot -- I lived in San Francisco
>>for two summers, and I had very close gay friends there.
>
>Facts.  I, and I'm not the previous writer, reject it on the grounds
>that it is factually incorrect.  A study conducted by the WHO (or CDC,
>does it matter?) in 1978 found that the average number of sex partners
>PER YEAR for homosexuals was 70, and that there were large numbers who
>had lifetime totals well over 1,000.  Other studies, such as one
>reported in a New Orleans paper in 1985, found numbers even larger.

These "facts" and studies are skewed because they are done in the "gay
communitys".  Homosexuality is still persecuted and so gays congregate in
concentrated communities.  Studies done in these groups are far from 
average.

An example:  A study performed on number of sex partners of heterosexuals
in men's professional sports would result in numbers skewed far above
average (Wilt Chamberlin claims to have slept with over 20,000 women).
Take the entertainment industry too (Julio Iglesias claims to have slept
with over 3,000 women, how many women do you think Mick Jagger has had?).

>>Heterosexuals are overwhelmingly serially monogamous and promiscuous - 
>>witness the 50% divorce rate.  Who knows, Steve - if society had the wisdom
>>to grant homosexuals the right to marry, you'd probably see less promiscuity
>>from them.  It's hypocritical to accuse them of not being monogamous when
>>you won't even allow them the privilege of *being* monogamous "officially."
>
>Homoesexuals do not need the permission of the law to be monogamous.  

Neither do heterosexuals.  Yet we aren't.

>                                                                      It
>is something they are free to CHOOSE to do on there own, yet they REFUSE
>to do so.  

No.  *Some* refuse to, just as *some* hets refuse to.

>           Heterosexuals, even outside of the confines of marriage, are
>far less promiscuous, as measured by other surveys (Harper has reported on
>sex as recently as this year) which put lifetime heterosexual partners at
>12.  Again, if you want to compare homosexuals to heterosexuals, you will
>not find any evidence to support your claims, either looking inside of
>marriage or outside.

Sure you can.  You just need a wider group study.

>>>From the individuals I have 
>>>encountered, they are much more concerned with self-fulfillment and
>>>indulgence than in true love, family and responsibility. 
>>
>>*chuckle* as opposed to heterosexuals... yeah, right.
>
>Sex for sex sake is certainly in the category of "self-fulfillment and
>indulgence."  Whether or not the "true love, family and responsibility"
>part is true for heterosexuals, it is certainly UNTRUE for homosexuals.

So you are claiming that NO, NADA, NONE, ZERO, ZILCH, ZIPPO gays could
ever know true love or family responsibility?  I think you are going to
have to qualify this assertion.

>This is as measured by the high rate of turnover for partners, lack of
>long term commitments, and sexual irresponsibility as indicated by
>large amounts of STD transmission.

Gee, I've had many sex partners, been divorced once (no STDs), and I'm
straight.  Guess you'll have to start over.

>>If I could be guaranteed that your church will leave *me* alone, I will be
>>more than happy to leave *it* alone.
>
>Homosexuals have killed more innocent men, women and children in this
>country than another other single group, per capita, criminals not
>included.

Bullshit!  In case you seem to have forgotten, this country was once
populated by an indigenous people who were systematically annihilated by
the white man who stole their land.  Your precious churches were built
over ground soaked with their blood.  Why were they killed?  For being
different, heathen, ungodly.

>When you get your germs out of my blood supply and organ banks, I'll
>get my fingers out of your "lifestyle."

If you are referring to AIDS then you are sadly mistaken.  AIDS was
originally a heterosexual disease believed to be spread primarily because
primitives practiced anal sex as a form of contraception.  See what a lack
of viable contraceptives leads to.


Gordon
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