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From: chyang@litotes.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: Trouble at the UDub
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 21:41:26 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa
Keywords: trouble...maybe 
Originator: chyang@litotes.engin.umich.edu


In article <1992Nov7.003327.16626@serval.net.wsu.edu>, jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
> In article <99==s7B@engin.umich.edu> chyang@ruapehu.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
> 
>   [details of loan, comments on possible booster involvement, refuting
>    of booster involvement deleted]
> 
> >	The only way for the team to get in trouble is that if 
> >Don James arranged for the loan.  He would not do that even if you 
> >press a knife to his neck.  
> 
> 
> That's not exactly true, is it?  The way I understand it, it isn't
> necessary for James to have *arranged* the loan for them to get in trouble;
> all that has to have happened is that James or the school *knew* about it
> while the season was going on.  Now, apparently Billy Joe spent much of
> the money on very visible items/activities: parties, a brand new Camaro,
> a $4000 stereo, and I think another ('92) Camaro after he traded in the
> previous one (I might be wrong about that).  Anyway, has anyone else
> wondered how all of these new purchases went completely unnoticed by the
> other players, the coach, maybe even some school officials.  I mean, these
> are pretty hefty purchases, and he is probably a pretty well-known and
> exposed guy on campus... even if he's not, he is certainly around the 
> team and coaches on a daily basis.  Didn't any of them ever question where
> he got all of the money to be doing this stuff?   If they did find out,
> and didn't say anything, then that might qualify as something the team
> could be punished for.  I too hope this doesn't turn into a disaster for
> UW, but it does seem that there is potentially a problem.  Anyone else
> agree/disagree?
> 

	I don't know what the exact ruling is.  According to UPI, 
Don Jame had only learned about this incident earlier this week when
all the inquiry began.  I am not sure if the the team will get in 
trouble if certain staff knows about the incident beforehand, but I don't
think the coaching staff would try to interfere with the students life.
So other players may have known the incident, but the staff being entirely
oblivious to the incident is possible.

	BTW, according to the same article.  The loan was arranged sometimes
after the 1992 Rose Bowl games.  Billy Joe Blew the money in a period less
than three months (Probably over the Summer).  I don't think the coaching 
staff would have enough time to find out.

	Geez!  Billy Joe!  What have you done!

- Chung Yang

> Jim
> Go Cougs, Vikings, Northstars!
> 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: Nebraska defeats Colorado
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 08:07:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.174533.24107@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson) writes:
>
>I think you cu folks should just take this quietly and try it again next year. By the way - WHERE HAS OUR FRIEND NJAN BEEN??????      Hello, hello, hello...

Don't worry, I'm here.. I just didn't have any comments to make about the game
though... except maybe that Koy wonder should be drafted... by the ARMY!
Heck, Hagan did better against Alabama last year!!!

But, this isn't over yet... You folks will be coming to town next year...
And it won't be just goalposts we will be tearing down.

Remember, CU would have played Miami "before" the NU game.. which means they
won't be surprised at whatever NU might do...

>Husker Henderson

Njan
From: ds4@soc2.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: WE WANT MIAMI!!
Keywords: Nebraska best team in the nation again!
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:33:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.6853

In article <1992Nov9.182630.11949@walter.bellcore.com>, kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge) writes:
|> In article <6825@news.duke.edu>, ds4@soc4.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS) writes:
|> |> In article <skipb.721191476@cwis>, skipb@cwis.unomaha.edu (Skip Burrell) writes:
|> |> |> Allright!! Nebraska has shown it is once again a legitimate top 5 team. And
|> |> |> with Smokin' Tommie Frazier at QB, the Husker offense has become a truly
|> |> |> irresistable force. The Blackshirts have turned up their game a few notches to
|> |> 
|> |> That is what everyone said last year.  Almost everyone thought Nebraska was going
|> |> to run all over Miami and squash them.  
|> 
|> Actually, according to Chris Stassen's college football pool from last year, 
|> out of the 66 people that entered for the bowl games, only 3 people picked 
|> Nebraska to win last year's Orange Bowl.  And as far as confidence is 
|> concerned, Miami over Nebraska was the highest picked game in terms of 
|> confidence by the entrants.
|> 
|> And if you remember that the Vegas line for the game was Miami by 9.5 points, 
|> I don't know what you're talking about when you state how "almost everyone 
|> thought Nebraska was going to run all over Miami and squash them" when the 
|> exact opposite seemed to be true.  

Never did I say people said Nebraska would win.  I do not know where you were
last year but people thought that Nebraska was going to run all over Miami.  Now
the 'squash them' part was an exageration.  I withdraw that part of my comment. 
Damn why did you have to point that out :)

|> 
|> -- 
|> 
|> Kevin H. Klinge
|> Bell Communications Research
|> kevink@soac.bellcore.com
|> 
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Traditional Rivalries
Date: 10 Nov 1992 18:11:38 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

>oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
>
>>Since we are getting to the point in the college football
>>season where "Rivals Collide!!!", does anybody have a copy
>>of the list of "trophies" that are at stake?
>
   Well, the oldest rivalry in the history of Division I college football
   is between Wisconsin and Minnesota. There have been 101 meetings dating
   back to 1890. Since 1948, they've played for the Paul Bunyan Axe.
   Minnesota leads the overall series, but Wisconsin leads since the axe
   has been brought into the series.

   --salty


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From: quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
Subject: Re: Reggie Brooks for Heisman
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 18:15:53 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Nov8.163244.16264@wl.com> wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski) writes:
>	People can say all that they want about Marshall Faulk, Garrison Hearst, Gino Torreta, and the rest, but IMHO Reggie Brooks deserves some serious
>consideration for the Heisman. The guy is averaging around 8.5 yards/carry and
>is one one the hardest, and most exciting players I have seen. In Holtz's 
>system no one running back is goign to get more than about 15 carries a game
>which makes Brooks 1000+ yards in 9 games very remarkable. He is the first 
>1000 yard rusher in the Holtz era. It's just too bad that many times the 
>Heisman candidates are decided before the season starts because he definitely
>derserves a look.
>

On the other hand, if no one deserves it (or many)
do they have to give it?
 
Just asking.
 
--
Bryan.Luedy@um.cc.umich.edu
--


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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Luck in College Football
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:48:53 CST

In article <1992Nov12.183253.4380@newssun.med.miami.edu> dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
>There has been a lot of talk on the net about the Hurricanes and
>their incredible LUCK this season, all the games they should
>have lost etc.
>
>I'm a little confused.  When exactly is something that happens
>luck and when isn't it.  If those two missed field goals that
>prevented a tie and a loss was just Canes luck, was everything
>else they did also a bunch of luck?
>
>Let's give these guys the credit they deserve (and every 
>other winning team for that matter).

And while we are at it, let's applause every losing team, too.  Let's give
all college football players, and for that matter, all college athletes, a
big applause.  Students and athletes both at the same time - what a
remarkable achievement.  My hats off to all these people, and their
coaches.

[applause]
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Verbal Bashing Of Miami
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:20:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov13.182029.1239
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

j_hardin@oz.plymouth.edu (James J. Hardin) writes:
> This verbal bashing of Miami is gettig ridiculous.  Needless to say,
>I am a die-hard Hurricanes fan and I find humor when people verbally
>assault Miami.

Yup, it sure is.  By the way, did I tell you that your Ibis mascot
looks like a dork?

>The thing that bothers me is the slander directed at Miami pertaining
>to some off-field problems.  Some examples include:  calling Miami
>players convicts and uneducated.  Calling them classless, etc,etc.

How about calling some of their posters clueless?

>All you ignorant people can keep on saying what you want, it doesn't
>make a damn bit of difference, nobody is listening.  

Hmm, it seems that at least you are listening.

Cliff (Not that we have any clueless posters hereabouts) Slaughterbeck

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Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
University of Washington      *   water again!
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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From: kk18@prism.gatech.EDU (Kelly Kenion)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ACC Preview - 11/7/92
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:57:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <Bx7G9G.5Mv@rice.edu> rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) writes:

>> GEORGIA TECH AT BAYLOR: Georgia Tech is banged up, especially on 
>>offense and isn't playing quite as well as a few weeks ago. This will
>>be a good test for the Yellow Jackets and their bowl hopes will
>>improve with a win here. The ACC has had much sucess against the
>>SWC this season, it should continue Saturday. 
>>Georgia Tech 24 Baylor 17


>I beg to differ.  As a GT alum, I've been looking forward to going to
>this game for almost a year.  Still, I must be objective:

>I predict GT gets pasted by the Bears.  Baylor 31.  GT 14.  A lot will
>depend on how well another QB can fill in for Jones (and which QB?
>Anyone at GT know?)


I agree with you, Rob.  If you had seen the game last weekend, you'd probably
be even more convinced.  PITIFUL.  Anyway, as for the status of Shawn Jones,
despite some other posters' information, the AJC has Bill Lewis quoted as   
follows:  "I think he's got a legitimate chance of playing Saturday - 
if he progresses as much between now and Saturday as he has the last two days".
Lewis also said "We'll go to game time and see what Shawn's availability will
be.  If he is available, we will let the circumstances of the game dictate what
role he will play".  

Some people have asked what Tech players are injured.  The AJC had a list of
these yesterday:
NG Kevin Battle is out for the season
QB Shawn Jones (says out for the game, but see above)
DT Richard Kimsey is out for the game
C Michael Cheever and CB Curley Day are questionable
NG Bryan Baxter is day-to-day
RB Jimy Lincoln, FS Mike Williams, SS David Hendrix, CB Eric Billingslea, 
   and William Bell are probable
Looks like we'll be hurting at QB (possibly), NG, and CB, particularly.  OUCH!!

TRIVIA:  Jeff Howard's receiving corps in high school included Andre Hastings
(currently with the Pups).
-- 
Kenion, Kelly W.                             GO JACKETS!!!!!!!!!
Georgia Institute of Technology           
Atlanta Georgia, 30332           
Internet: kk18@prism.gatech.edu 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: NCSU AND THE BLOCKBUSTER: 2 GAMES 2 GO!!! : )
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:53:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.084022.11421@ncsu.edu> delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL  
EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:

>  Barring some freak loss to the Blue Devils or the Deacons (which still
>  is possible), NCSU is looking at a Penn State matchup. This game will be
>  a great one, and I look forward to the opportunity to see the game..

I'd say only the latter is possible, which is perhaps what you've
intended to say anyway.  Duke is a tired, hurt team with broken
spirits, full notebooks, and empty wallets.  Look for a 45-14 
State victory.

Wake, on the other hand, should be a good test for the Pack.
I'd look for a 4 or 5 point State victory there.

Orin

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From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Hobert declared ineligible
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:22:46 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

I just saw on Clarinews that Billy Joe Hobert was declared ineligible by
the University of Washington.  This is the first (and expected) step
in the review of his activites.  Athletic Director Barbara Hedges told
a press conference that she did not expect any further penalties to be
handed out by either the Pac Ten or the NCAA to the team.

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Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
University of Washington      *   water again!
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: Boilerweenie Alert!!!
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 21:13:43 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Nov5.233554.1158@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
>
>A goober says what?
>

He may not be a goober, but he did say BOILERWEENIE.

- Louis

P.S. Purdue is not as bad as most people think.  Hell, I think Purdue deserve
     to beat Michigan last week too...


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Traditional Rivalries
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:18:44 GMT

In article <1dmfm2INNajo@bredbeddle.cs.purdue.edu> sjc@cs.purdue.edu (Steve  
Chapin) writes:
> In <1992Nov9.182008.12294@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov   
(Orin Day) writes:
> }} 
> }} e.g., Duke vs. UNC for "Victory Bell", the (already played)
> }} Old Oaken Bucket, the Apple Cup, etc...
> 
> The Old Oaken Bucket has not been played for yet, unless there are two
> of them.  It's the trophy for the game between IU and Purdue, which is
> the last game of season.
> 
> Perhaps you were thinking of Minnesota and Michigan and the Little
> Brown Jug?

Yes, this and the turf thing has earned me "Clueless Poster of the
Week."  Must be spending too much time on work or something...

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************* "How about a little fire, Scarecrow?" **************
Orin Day, Code 664.1                    oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov
Hughes STX/NASA       GSFC Laboratory for High Energy Astrophysics
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee)
Subject: More MSU vs. Bama info
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:35:57 GMT


I was digging through my Mississippi State sports information guide and found
some interesting information out.

The last time Mississippi State was 7-2 at this point in the season was 1980.
In 1980 , a then ranked #1 Alabama crimson tide went to Jackson Mississippi
to play state.  State pulled off the upset 6-3 and finished the season 9-3.

The depressing news is that we have beat Alabama once (that time) in 33 years.
We are 0-10 vs. Bama in Starkville.  But I have a feeling that is going to      change Saturday night.


David 

GO DOGS!!!


-- 
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         MIS Graduate Student |  belt boy.  The Redcoats are coming! "
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson)
Subject: Re: My Top 25
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:32:37 GMT

rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:

>just to add another poll into the works, i thought i'd post my
>vote to the rsfc poll, with a little commentary......

>1. Alabama. Roll f*cking Tide, Roll. No real reason to put them ahead
>            of Miami and A&M, but I dont like to move teams up on
>            an idle week, so miami has to stay at #2
>2. Miami
>3. Tx A&M
>4. Michigan
>5. Florida State.  Remember how EVERYONE here seemed to think FSU would
>                   lose 1 or 2 ACC games. HA!
>6. Washington. Still a damn good team, of course, if they have to forfeit
>               their first 8 games, they're hosed. Luckily they are looking
>               at an easy rose bowl opponent.
                      ^^^^  I agree that the opponent will be easy, but how
                            can you put an 'easy' opponent at #4.  If you
                            really think Mich. is an easy opponent, I would
                            expect a ranking below U-Dub's???

>Flame/Woof away............

No flames intended, and certainly no woofs, I wouldn't want affend the woofing
gawds!

>-rob

Todd
tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: What happened to OU?
From: zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Mike)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 17:21:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research
Originator: zmed0b@zircon


Probation happened to OU, pal.  Try cutting your scholarships in half for several
years and see what happens to your team.  It ain't pretty and OU probably won't
be top-flight for a couple more years.
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Glen Mason to Ohio State?
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:25:46 GMT
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Distribution: usa
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <1992Nov10.164804.6170@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu>, alan@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Alan Martin) writes:
>scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn) writes:
>>     I'm not so sure about that. Rumors I've heard in Columbus say two other
>>things:
>>     (1) That Mason might be put off by the intense scrutiny and criticism >>that Buckeye coaches are subjected to. Even Woody Hayes got booed frequently. >>By all accounts I've heard, Jayhawk fans love Mason. Unless he believes that >>KU has peaked this year, he may decide to stay.
>
>Coaches don't seem to think this way, and I've always wondered why.  Mason can
>win 6 or 7 games a year and be put on a pedestal at Kansas.  Or, he could
>win 9 games a year and be flogged at Ohio State.  I guess if you're ambitious,
>you always think *you're* going to be the guy that will put Ohio State back
>in the 10 to 11 win category every year.  Not to mention that Ohio State
>*must* pay more than Kansas.
>
I have wondered the same thing...I guess it is the prestige of the
school(we're talking football).  OhioSt has a bigger stadium.  Better
fan attendance(although I don't know about OhioSt's attendance lately).
Right now, Mason is well loved in Lawrence.  As long as Mason can
beat K-State and Mizzou plus a few others, he'll hardly get booed.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: baze@carson.u.washington.edu (Behzad Khamneian)
Subject: Washington vs. Arizona
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 23:48:59 GMT

In my previous post, I meant to say: "The dispute over #1 is over!!"

:)

-Behzad


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jewell@Data-IO.COM (Cal Jewell)
Subject: Hobert: The Pac-10 Recommends....
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:09:27 GMT

This just in.

The 3-person Pac-10 committee investigating former University of 
Washington quarterback Billy Joe Hobert's three loans totalling $50,000 
has concluded and recommended the following:

	-The U.W. should not have to forfeit any games Hobert played
	 in because Hobert did not have a significant impact on the 
	 outcome of the game.

	-The U.W. acted properly in handling the situation.

	-The U.W. coaching staff and administration handled the situation
	 properly. Only in hindsight could there be an expectation that
	 the coaching staff could have handled this matter better.
	 [this is the part I'm the fuzziest on. I remember the
	 mention of "hindsight being 20/20" but I don't remember
	 exactly how the committee used the phrase]

	-Neither the coaches nor the administration broke any rules.

	-Billy Joe Hobert was solely responsible for the loan. Neither
	 the coaching staff nor the administration assisted Hobert in
	 obtaining the loans.


The committee's recommendations now go to the full Pac-10 Committee, 
which is composed of 30 people (1 coach, 1 administrator, and 1 educator
from each member school). Each school has one vote. The 3-person 
committee's recommendations are not binding and will be considered by
the 30-person committed in addition to the U.W. Athletic Department's
investigation.

A decision by the 30-member committee is to be delivered Sunday, 
November 15.

Disclaimer: a friend called me and told me this stuff. I might have
munged some of the specifics.

-- 
Cal...                    "Pal, you bought the cow after I got all the
                           milk for nothing! And at 12 o'clock she was
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                           wanna ride Space Mountain AGAIN!'!" -- Ric Flair