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From: smill@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: "Ethnic" Samples vs. Proteus 3
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 05:23:15 GMT

	Would somone care to recap the discussion regarding "distancing
tools"?  I'm not sure I've gotten the full meaning from reading the tail-
end of those discussions.  I see the term popping up now and again with
no point of reference.
Thanks.
-- 
Steven M. Miller		"The history of music evolution is
smill@polari.online.com		 not the history of nice guys"
					-- Anthony Braxton
Electronic Music Coordinator - Cornish College of the Arts, Seattle WA
Xref: sparky rec.music.synth:15594 ba.market.misc:7385
From: moon!cyberden!xorcist@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,ba.market.misc
Subject: Sound Tools AD IN for sale
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 02:08:50 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

AD/IN for sale. Works great. $600 - Contact me via my mail address for more
information.
<X>orcist
(This is for the Macintosh sound tools system)

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From: tnguyen@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Thinh Nguyen)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:40:23 GMT
Subject: Keyboard D-10, R-R Multitrack FOR SALE
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth


    For sale

    1/ Roland D-10 Midi Multi timbral Synthesizer.
        - LA sound, 128 preset, 64 programmable tone, and 64 preset
          rhythm tones.
        - Build in effect such as revert, pan , room effect....
        - Free Music Quest editor/library for PC, D10 drum programming
          book, PD software & sounds ...
       price: $550. 

    
    2/ DOKORDER-1140 R&R Multitrack Recorder.

         - 4 track R-R recorder, using both 10.5" and 7" reel.
         - Ping/pong'able between tracks
         - Punch in/out, tape editing feature.
         - Make by Onkyo (same as Akai) for professional use.
         - It's old (over 10 yrs old) but elec.&mechan. is in good cont.
         - Can be rack mounting, wood grain, and look beautiful(IMHO). 
         - Come with manual, and about 20 of 10.5" pre-record reels.
        Price: $300.

   
     Email mail me if you're interested, shipping is not include.
      
     Email address: tnguyen@hpuxps.cup.hp.com
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Re: Midi song - "Borderline - Madonna"
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:07:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: bbx.1492
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1992Oct1.212624.13321@comp.lancs.ac.uk> davei@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr D Ingles) writes:
>They were reffering to sequenced data.  They said that if any part of
>the sequence could be recognised as sounding the same as a piece of
>music which had been copyrighted, then it could be considered to break
>copyright rules.  After hearing this I put the spanner in the works by
>pointing out that you cannot actually hear a midi data file so you can't
>actually compare it with the original piece of music.  They all of a
>sudden had to dissappear to an important meeting and hung up. 

A sequence file is a machine readable embodiment of a song.  Historically,
it is analogous to a player piano roll which has ample legal precedent
in copyright law.  You can't actually hear a DAT either but if you
record your own version of somebody else's song and start mass distributing
it, you can expect to hear from a lawyer.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: "Bad Boys" in .mid format
Date: 4 Oct 92 01:38:15 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

Does anyone have the .mid file for
Inner Circle's "Bad Boys" (theme from cops) (tv show)
Thanks in advance
-- 

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kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu                                    kpm8447@teak.njit.edu
kmembry@andromeda.rutgers.edu                             kpm8447@maple.njit.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: seanw@mks.com (Sean Wilson)
Subject: Re: 8bit vs 16bit?
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:22:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.204954.18844@csrd.uiuc.edu> andrews@sp2.csrd.uiuc.edu (John Andrews) writes:
>I have an 8-bit ESQ-1, and a 16-bit (I think) D-110.  There are 2 large
>differences in sound between the two units.

The D-5, 10, 110, and 20 are 12-bit machines.


Sean Wilson      | "It was a small incident one night involving me and 150 
MKS Tech Support |  Mexican cops.  I asked to see some identification.  They
seanw@mks.com    |  said:  'Badges?!  We don't need no stinking badges!!'" 
                                                            - John Caravella    
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: oyakea@warren1b.its.rpi.edu (Amalaye Oyake)
Subject: ATARI RELEASES Falcon 030
Reply-To: oyakea@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:37:18 GMT


 Atari Computers has released the Falcon 030, multimedia home computer.
The system runs most existing ST/TT software and has numerous new features;
the system is made up of-

1)  Mc68030, 16Mhz, 32bit bus
2)  Mc68881 or 68882
3)  Mc56001 DSP, 32Mhz
4)  Blitter graphics co-processor
5)  Stereo 16bit sound at max rate of 50khz, with 8bit and FM synthesis back up
6)  Stereo sound input and playback, with direct to disk recording and editing
7)  SCSI II port
8)  Internal IDE harddisk connector
9)  Appletalk lan port
10) Up to 6 joysticks (analogue and digital)
11) VGA and TRUE color modes
12) MIDI ports ( in and out) 
13) Processor direct slot
14) Parallel and Serial ports
15) Cartridge port
16) Philips/Sony DSP port
17) Hardware assisted fine scrolling
18) Autosyncing for genlocks
19) The Newdesk desktop with mouse and accessories ( e.g. talking clock )
20) Options include M or J/PEG image decompression or 386sx emulation

 Contact Micro Computer Depot or Toad computers for availability
 MCD;  1-800-845-3070
TOAD;  1-800-348-TOAD

  It was first unveiled in Boston, Sept 23rd 1992.
Also read next,mac or comp.sys.atari.st for details. developer versions 
available.
Newsgroups: clari.tw.computers
Distribution: world
Followup-To: 
From: oyakea@warren1b.its.rpi.edu (Amalaye Oyake)
Reply-To: oyakea@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Subject: ATARI RELEASES Falcon 030
Keywords: 

 Atari Computers has released the Falcon 030, multimedia home computer.
The system runs most existing ST/TT software and has numerous new features;
the system is made up of-

1)  Mc68030, 16Mhz, 32bit bus
2)  Mc68881 or 68882
3)  Mc56001 DSP, 32Mhz
4)  Blitter graphics co-processor
5)  Stereo 16bit sound at max rate of 50khz, with 8bit and FM synthesis back up
6)  Stereo sound input and playback, with direct to disk recording and editing
7)  SCSI II port
8)  Internal IDE harddisk connector
9)  Appletalk lan port
10) Up to 6 joysticks (analogue and digital)
11) VGA and TRUE color modes
12) MIDI ports ( in and out) 
13) Processor direct slot
14) Parallel and Serial ports
15) Cartridge port
16) Philips/Sony DSP port
17) Hardware assisted fine scrolling
18) Autosyncing for genlocks
19) The Newdesk desktop with mouse and accessories ( e.g. talking clock )
20) Options include M or J/PEG image decompression or 386sx emulation

 Contact Micro Computer Depot or Toad computers for availability
 MCD;  1-800-845-3070
TOAD;  1-800-348-TOAD

  It was first unveiled in Boston, Sept 23rd 1992.
Also read next,mac or comp.sys.atari.st for details. developer versions 
available.



Keywords:
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: TRAX 4 Sale
From: mmangieri@vitro.com (M. J. Mangieri)
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:47:25 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Vitro Corporation

I have an unopened copy of Passport Systems TRAX sequencer software for the PC
that I wish to sell. Retail is about $99 ... I will take $45 + shipping.

E-mail if you're interested.

        __________________________________________________________________
        / Michael J. Mangieri                 Internet: mmangieri@vitro.com
__     /  Vitro Corporation                      Voice:      (301) 231-3016
  \   /   MX-SP 4-2311                             FAX:      (301) 231-1233
   \ /    14000 Georgia Ave.              
    *     Silver Spring, MD 20906-2972    

         "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
                                                       - A. Einstein
From: dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
Subject: Re: I don't think any of us are belittling Gen
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:13:07 GMT

In article <1491@bbx.basis.com> scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker) writes:
>In article <2ACB2DAA.20399@news.service.uci.edu> dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless) writes:
>>	*Cough* *cough* *cough* <ahem>...  Sir, I must take great exception to
>>the above.  Synth patches *boring*??  Not mine...  Acoustic piano - now _that_
>>is boring.
>
>real acoustic piano = boring
>electronic piano simulation = exciting

	Huh?  Are you saying this is what I'm saying??  You are utterly wrong.
I *never* use "piano" sounds.  What a waste of a synthesizer - to attempt to
duplicate a couple-hundred year-old instrument...  Bleah.  I try to create new
sounds that haven't been heard before.  That's why I'm a *synthesist* and not
a pianist.

>Oh well.  At least I know where you stand.  Please don't invite me to
>your next gig.

	Fine, your loss...

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: galanter@nyu.edu (Philip Galanter)
Subject: Re: Re: Midi song - "Borderline - Madonna"
Reply-To: galanter@nyu.edu (Philip Galanter)
Organization: New York University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:35:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.212624.13321@comp.lancs.ac.uk> davei@comp.lancs.ac.uk  
(Mr D Ingles) writes:

..

|I can understand how a photocopy of a music score can be breaking
|copyright rules as visually they appear to be the same.  Trying to
|compare a computer data file with a sequence of soundwaves though leaves
|me somewhat puzzled - it is a bit like comparing a photograph with the
|original object. 
|
|Davei

I write a book.  You adapt the book for a screenplay, and then make a  
movie without my permission.  You have clearly violated the copyright, and  
a defense that "the viewers do not see the words on a page but rather  
actors on the screen" would sound rather hollow right?

A copyright protects not only the original expression, but also all  
derivative works, even if those works are in a different medium, language,  
tempo, etc., etc.  The U.K. and U.S. both follow the Berne convention in  
regards to copyright, so the rules are the same and apply to  imports as  
well.

Phil
 
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Research Associate      251 Mercer             fax:      212-995-4120
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: hcpark@owlnet.rice.edu (Howard C Park)
Subject: Roland W30 - Continued
Keywords: workstations, worstation, EPS, Ensoniq, Roland
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:42:37 GMT

OK, so perhaps $1700 is too much for this thing.  It just happened to
correspond really well to the balance I owe to my cashier's office.  
Thinking about selling the workstation over the weekend, I did some
soul-searching about the workstation format, and came up with some questions
that I'm hoping you guys can share some insights on.

What do people think about the "worskstation" format?  Is having everything in
one package a blessing or a curse?  Do the "components" not measure up to
modular units?

Why is the Ensoniq EPS more popular?  More bang/buck?  Support?  Distribution
and/or marketing?  In the last year or so, whenever I've asked about a Korg or
Roland keyboard in the music stores, the salesman directed my attention to an
Ensoniq before he showed me anything else.  Is there some salesman bias
involved?

When was the last W30 transaction on the net?  Why so few?  Is it something
that people don't know about?  Don't want to know about?   Just one of those
pieces of equipment that sits in someone's studio and never gets sold/bought
again?

Any comments will be appreciated.

hcpark@rice.edu


PS - I'd still like to entertain the idea of selling this thing.  Better than
selling off my kidneys to pay for school.  Any takers?
From: davei@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr D Ingles)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Midi song - "Borderline - Madonna"
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:03:10 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

In article <BvC29K.Isy@rivm.nl> sb2fhh@rivm.nl ( Frits van den Heuvel ) writes:

Has anyone manage to unpack these MIDI files and play them ? I have had no
success *8-( I have tried Prism / Cubase for Windows / Encore demo / Cakewalk
demo / Windows Jukebox / Windows MIDI player.

Please reply here as my e-mail is disconnected until next week.

Davei
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: copley-devon@CS.YALE.EDU (Devon Copley)
Subject: SMPTE in Voyetra Sequencers
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 05:36:43 GMT

I'm tearing my hair out over a sync problem and I just wanted to see if
anyone else has had the same problem.  I'm trying to sync my Voyetra
Sequencer Pro Gold to type via the following method:

I use a Timecode Machine to stripe a tape in my Yamaha MT-100 multitrack
with SMPTE, and to convert it to MTC, and then sync the sequencer to
the MTC output from the Timecode Machine.  And yes, I have tried it both
with and without the dbx noise reduction on the multitrack.

The problem is that the sequencer starts out in sync and maintains it for
anywhere from 30 seconds to several minutes, and then starts to drift, as
if it lost sync entirely and was just freewheeling.  The strange thing is
that if I stop the sequencer, leave the tape rolling, and start the 
sequencer again, it syncs up flawlessly and quickly.  Now correct me if
I'm wrong, but both SMPTE and MTC are absolute time codes, aren't they?
So even if there is a momentary dropout, shouldn't the sequencer drift
only until it gets another valid timecode message (which should happen
something like a quarter of a second later, if I remember the MTC spec
correctly)?  WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Is the problem the Voyetra
sequencer?  Am I mistaken about MTC?  Would a temporary dropout in 
SMPTE cause the observed behavior, even in a properly functioning
system? 

Thanks a lot...

Devon
copley-devon@cs.yale.edu

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.sys.laptops
From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay)
Subject: Re: Question:  Powerbooks and MIDI
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 15:48:55 GMT
Organization: Atomic City
Summary: LIES! LIES! LIES!

In article <murat-250992180146@192.100.87.66> murat@farallon.com (Murat N. Konar) writes:
>In article <NICK.92Sep25123912@vaila.ed.ac.uk>, nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick
>Rothwell) wrote:

>> Who knows? Not Apple, that's for sure. They've been lying for six months.
>
>Oh really?  They were quite honest with me. 

NO they WEREN'T, Murat. They LIED to you. They have been LYING through
their TEETH for the better part of a YEAR, to cover their own ignorance.
If they could just admit that they DIN'T KNOW, then that would be one
thing; but they couldn't-- you can't admit you don't know something.
So they LIED. Is that such a terrible surprise?

>The scoop I got (from Apple's Developer Technical Support) is that:
>
>   -  the PowerBooks cannot handle large MIDI SysEx dumps [ we knew that
>:-( ]

Unmitigated horse's hit. My poor little PB100 can handle SysEX dumps from
Oberheim Xpanders, Korg Wavestations, and Roland U-50s without dropping
a single bit. It does so every time, and hasn't failed yet.

>   -  there are NO Apple work arounds

Of course there aren't. They don't know shit from shinola.

>   -  currently, Apple has no clear direction or solution for this problem

This much is certainly true!

>   -  Tech Note 318 "Serial PollProc" is inaccurate and will be revised 

HA! Opcode implemented the "inaccurate" version of TN318 and produced a
patch to OMS that rendered the 140 and 170 completely MIDI-friendly! So
Apple doesn't even know when they've gotten it RIGHT, the morons!

>   -  When Apple figures out how to make this stuff work, they'll make the 
>      information available through developer channels

I'm not holding my breath. Thank heavens for Opcode's technical people,
without whom we'd be well and truly hosed....


-- 
metlay                    | 
                          | General MIDI is God's way of saying "Duh."
                          | 
metlay@netcom.netcom.com  |
From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: General <Duh> MIDI Poll (was Re: GM Good for Music)
Summary: Snarf samples. That's a sample of a snarf, not snarfing samples.
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:25:50 GMT
Organization: Atomic City

In article <NICK.92Sep25124813@vaila.ed.ac.uk> nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.003355.1290@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dpelton@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dennis Pelton) writes:
>
>       1.  Rossi does exits.
>
>Absolutely. The one from Metlay's basement with a face-full of cheap beer
>after I crashed the Mac IIfx for the nth time was one of the best exits
>I've ever experienced.

You bastard. I'm sitting here in the library of the Nuclear Physics Lab,
laughing so hard I have hiccups, with tears pouring down my face, and
trying to keep from losing the half of my lunch I've already eaten....

OK, to set the scene: Atomic City Studios, day four or five of the August
sessions, now titled "Saturnalia." Nick is hacking away at the IIfx trying
to get the MTP-based network up and going. I'm programming the VS, and
across from Nick, John 3 is sipping a beer (Milwaukee's Best. Ugh!) and
working on a patch on the K2000. Nick, as is his wont, is talking to
himself in between keeping up a running commentary with the two of us,
and his end of the conversation goes something like this:

"I don't know...in the long run, when things settle down, this'll speed
things a bit....go here, click here, OK.... the problem with these networks
is that they're fragile until they settle in...Cancel...having the PowerBook
working will be a help...connect this to here, drag THIS to HERE... we'll
run AppleTalk to get everything communicating with no problems...Make the
connection here,see where the network expects to get timing data, and the
IIfx crashes, oh bloody hell...."

That last information was in the same tone of voice as the rest of the 
monologue, and was immediately followed by a loud "PSSHHHTHWWUMMMPPPHHHH!"
from John 3. He had a mouthful of beer at the exact moment the IIfx crashed,
and was standing right in front of his brand-new K2000. I'll say this for
him, his instincts are good. Less than a second later, he'd slammed the
beer can down on a nearby rack case, clamped both hands firmly over his 
mouth, and was running for the sink in the laundry room with his face turning
purple. Truly a Kodak moment.

And people say that electronic music lacks humor and warmth.  Hrnk!




-- 
metlay                    | 
                          | General MIDI is God's way of saying "Duh."
                          | 
metlay@netcom.netcom.com  | 
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: g92h7147@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR GR HUTCHISON)
Subject: HELP with KORG DP-80
Summary: none
Keywords: help
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:43:27 GMT

Hi there everyone!!

I have recently purchased a KORG DP-80 (digital piano). However, I bought 
this keyboard SECOND HAND and so I would like some help with the "TRANSPOSE" 
feature of this keyboard (since I have no manual)...

If anyone can help me (or thinks they can help me) please send email to me 
at the address below, as I can't always scan the news...

THANX in advance,
GREG
======================================================================
Gregory Hutchison           ||  "You are never given a wish without
Rhodes University           ||   also being given the power to make
Grahamstown                 ||   it true.
South Africa                ||     You may have to work for it,
<g92h7147@giraffe.ru.ac.za> ||     however." - Richard Bach
======================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Todd J Sines)
Subject: roland <<626>> drum machine for sale!! $225
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 16:10:11 GMT

well, like it says above, we have a roland 626 drum machine for sale for $225.

used in the studio of fact 22. MIDI....

send mail here for info...

well, like it says above, we have a roland 626 drum machine for sale for $22
-- 
respond >> tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
           todd sines 614.299.9529 384 e17th st columbus, oh 43201
           body release (live techno), krushin invisible clothing and ...
Organisation: European Space Technology Centre (E.S.T.E.C)
Date: Monday, 5 Oct 1992 11:54:30 CET
From: <ATONI@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Andrea TONI/ K5MP
 <92279.105447ATONI@ESTEC.BITNET>

Opsss sorry

andrea@sihp03.si.estec.esa.nl Internet
ATONI@ESTEC.ESA.NL            BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: jkammone@cs.joensuu.fi (Janne Kammonen)
Subject: M1 opinions wanted from long-time users
Keywords: M1
Organization: University of Joensuu
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 07:22:23 GMT


I'm considering to sell my Ensoniq SQ1 and get a second hand Korg M1.
The problem is that I'm not totally convinced of the editing capabilities
of M1. So if you have had M1 for some time and would like to share some
of your experiences with it, I would really appreciate it.
Thanks, Janne