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From: azog@thoth.rent.com (Billy D'Augustine)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: TOS 1.62 for sale
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:11:57 GMT
Organization: Cranial Construction Corp

aq115@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert C Glover) writes:


>I'm afraid your TOS 1.62 ROMs will NOT work in any ST.  They are
>higher-capacity ROMs than the older 1.0, 1.2, and 1.4 versions.
>The older ones are 192K total capacity, and TOS 1.62 is 256K.
> 
>I suggest you keep them around.  Someone is bound to come up wiht
>a piggyback board with a switch so you can toggle between the two
>TOS's for compatibility purposes.
> 

Im not too sure I understand. I admit that I do not know everything
about STs, so my posting may have been in error, but this is my
understanding...

520ST and 1040ST cannot upgrade to the 2.06 due to its larger 
size, hence the reason for the TEC card. The TEC card essentially
maps the larger space of 2.06 into the small space of the ST.

Now for some confusion on my part. I have a late model 520 STe
(purchased in Jan 92), with the 1.62 set on 28 pin chips. But,
the sockets themselves are 32 pin, so I was able to install 
2.06 without a TEC card

Is it a difference between the older ST and the newer STes?

>Rob
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From: keithb@hemel.bull.co.uk (Keith Bedford)
Subject: Re: GFA Basic 2.0 EXEC command
Organization: Bull HN UK
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 12:00:35 GMT

wagg@zellweger.ch (Georg Wagner) writes:

>In article <702641992.F00001@tdkt.kksys.com> Chuck.Grimsby@p1.f47.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Chuck Grimsby) writes:
>>
>.......some stuff deleted
>>
>>BTW, dump GFA 2.0 and get 3.x.  It's only $150, and the improvements are WELL 
>>worth the upgrade fee!
>>  
>Don't do it, GFA is out of the atari market. So there will be no support
>and no updates anymore

This could explain why ST Format are giving away GFA Basic 3 (they promise)
with next months issue (beginning of May). Almost worth buying STFormat for!

>Georg
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From: micro@imada.ou.dk (Klaus Pedersen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: TOS 2.06 for the MegaSTe
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:46:41 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Math. & Computer Science, Odense University, Denmark

Patrick_Dubbrow@ms.maus.de (Patrick Dubbrow) writes:
>I found out that the VDI workstation bug is still present in TOS 2.06.

That is funny, 'cause it's gone in FSM, and TOS 2.06 is newer than FSM, right?

-Klaus
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: "True Color" (Was: Falcon)
Keywords: graphics, palettes
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 22:15:10 GMT

The idea of having 16 million colours (24 bits worth), that are simply
"chosen" rather than using a palette sounds neat, in SOME ways, but is
it ultimately ALL that great?

(Note:  There WILL be an implicit palette, made up of 16M colours, in
which the entries are fixed.  Looking at it this way is probably
useful in critiquing the idea of "True Color".  It should be noted
that I am NOT a graphics programmer, and people who've done such
things should be the ones that continue any subsequent discussions...
Also, as a Canadian, I kind of like British spellings, like "colour"
versus the "color" used by those people in North America that live
south of the 49th parallel.  We're ALL Americans, whether we live in
Canada, Mexico, or the United States.  Of course, the "Americans" that
live in Canada get better service from Atari, but that's another
issue!)

1) It means that if some of those colours never get used, whether in a
particular application, or possibly EVER (who'd want THAT putrid shade
of green?), then that part of the implied palette is wasted.  It might
be a better use of resources to have a smaller palette that contains
the colours that are actually USED.

2) I have often seen palette switching used to do animation/"editing"
of pictures.  You change colour #1 from White to Black, which seems to
be a pretty useful thing.  "True Color" seems to throw this sort of
feature away.

Any comments from people that are more involved in graphics?
Could the "True Color" mode be merely one of many, where the OTHERS
would have palettes?

-- 
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University of Ottawa
Master of System Science Program
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From: mt2bo@tuhhco.rz.tu-harburg.de (Norbert Borngraeber-Sander)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: TOS 2.06 Upgrade in ST, Easy??
Date: 14 Apr 92 06:04:34 GMT

friedric@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bernd Friedrich) writes:

>Has anybody out there installed the TEC 2.06 upgrade in a circa '88 ST?
Yes, it works fine.

>I'm considering the upgrade, and can handle a soldering iron, but would
>like to stay away from desoldering any chips.
You only have to solder a bunch of cables to the CPU.

>How difficult is the upgrade installation?
It's easy. If you know what you're doing it will take you 1-2 hours.

>Are the instruction easy to follow?  
Yes the booklet is well written.

>What about the option to switch back to older TOS? 
>Is this an additional installation.
Yes it is. But there is good description how to do it.

>Any comments would be greatly appreciated.  

Hope this will help you make a decision...

_norbert
mt2bo@rztsun.rz.tu-harburg.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: GCC 2.0 or higher for Atari ST
Keywords: GCC 2.0
Organization: CSI Dept., University of Ottawa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 03:15:12 GMT

In article <H.ExkdXhA28hk@marsu.tynet.sub.org> wenzel@marsu.tynet.sub.org writes:
>In <1992Apr2.074551.29948@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE>, Peter Stoehr writes:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I'm searching the gcc version 2.0 or better 2.1 for the Atari ST.
>> Is the compiler avaible and where can I get it ?
> 
>The GCC 2.0 sources were released just one month ago. I had a look at it, 
>but I was sure that I neither have the HD resources (the tar-file is about 
>16 MB, if I remember right) nor the capabilities to do the adaption changes 
>necessary for the ST/TT.
>A friend of mine told me that some folks in Germany with a lot of 
>experience from former GCC version are trying to port the sources at the 
>moment. I think we have to wait for the result...

The prolific Jwahar R. Bammi has apparently done some work on it, and
it SHOULD be going up on the Michigan archive fairly soon.  (This from
some personal mail - I suggest that people NOT fill his mailbox with
requests!)  He thought it was uploaded - there may be some sort of
bottleneck at SOME point...  Archive maintainers should maybe take a
look around and see if GCC 2.0 is maybe hiding in a subdirectory
somewhere!

I too am looking forward to it.  I ftped the distribution, and
unarchived it.  It actually shouldn't be TOO bad to try to compile it
- a LARGE portion of the 16MB of files is made up of support for
various CPUs, MOST of which are not in the M68K series.  I'm sure that
10MB can get discarded. (i.e. - machine definitions for 88ks, 80?86,
MIPS, 32032 (or something like that), among others, as well as
specific support files for particular machine/OS combinations (NeXt,
NCR, Gould (?), Sun, ...).)

You'll probably need 4MB of ram to compile the system, tho...  or
maybe 8!

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University of Ottawa
Master of System Science Program
From: jartsu@hut.fi (Jartsu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: FAX Software for Supra or Zyxel
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:04:25 GMT
Reply-To: Jari.Lehto@hut.fi
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland


In article <1992Apr11.154531.25032@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> jesinger@spot.Colorado.EDU (Peter Jesinger) writes:

> is there any Software available for the Atari ST to send and recive fax
> with the new combined V32bis and FAX modems from Zyxel and Supra?
> Where can I get such software? 

There are several fax software packages available for Atari ST/TT in
Germany, some of them have all the best qualities that standalone
state-of-the-art faxmachines do. There is even a direct printer-driver
like fax driver for Calamus.
Dunno about the availability of these outside Germany (I have to order
them directly from Germany), but there is also an US fax software,
Joppa Fax, which will be shipping really soon now...

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From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu ( EVENSONG)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: What makes Hermes go?
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:43:49 GMT
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.


	Someone recently put a betatest version of the hermes uucp software
at atari.archive and I have gotten the files and configured them as would be
necessary to access my UUCP information/account.  Only problem is that I can
not figure out which program is supposed to set up the environment.  I am
done with the config.sys and active, etc. in the other various directories,
and now that I am finished, even login doesn't work so I can make a test
mail message and see how the header reads in the spool directories.

To top it all off, there is no uupoll program to run uucico.  Any help out
there?  Also, if at all possible, I could stand to hunt down the source
code to the uucico program as I will need to once again add another login
step to it.

swood

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: aq115@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert C Glover)
Subject: Re: TOS 2.06 for the MegaSTe
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 17:31:10 GMT


Yes, Atari is offering TOS 2.06 as an upgrade to Mega STE's.  It's
$60, but I recommend against getting it just yet.  See, another
upgrade they're offering is the high density floppy upgrade.  For
$150, you get a new disk drive, the AJAX drive controller chip, 
AND TOS 2.06, so it's a better deal that way.
 
Rob
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Subject: Re: TOS 2.06 for the MegaSTe
From: Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 07:46:15 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <8176@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> petcher@wuphys.wustl.edu (Donald N. Petcher) writes:
> In article <1992Apr10.204832.28386@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aq115@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert C Glover) writes:
> >
> >What you want to do if you don't have a Mega STE and want a 
> >high density disk drive, is to contact Paul Wu of Omnimon
> >Peripherals (I think that's the name).  He makes a high density
> >upgrade kit for all ST's.  It's $200, and includes the disk
> >drive and a board that plugs into the current disk controller
> >socket (the WD1772).  Then you have to solder I think one or two
> >wires somewhere, and you're set.  There's a software patch included
> >to make it work with older TOS's, but if you get Codehead's TEC
> >board, that won't be a problem.
> > 
> 
> Does the upgrade include TOS 2.06 (sounds from what you say that it is 
> not included).  If not, it is a little pricey.  $200 + $140 for the 
> codehead board.  Almost in the range of getting a cheap PC clone to use 
> as a disk drive!
> 
> Does anyone have an address or phone number for Omnimon Peripherals?
> 
> Cheers,
> Don Petcher                                  petcher@wuphys.wustl.edu
> Department of Physics
> Washington University
> Saint Louis, Missouri
> 

I don't like the sound of the Omnimon 1.4 meg upgrade, they use a different
WD controler IC, I think its a WD279x , these do not use the same commands
that the WD 1772 uses..

Wait for a kit the uses the Real Ajax chip..
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: heidelj@alleg.edu (Jason Heideloff)
Subject: CD Roms
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:50:57 GMT

Do other CD-Rom Drives work with the ST and if so, why kinds of software  
are available for the ST on CD?

-Jason Heideloff
heidelj@alleg.edu
From: u1398@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: GEMULATOR vs ST w/ PC
Summary: It is not that useless.
Keywords: GEMULATOR
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:09:40 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <ami2iB1w164w@cyberden.uucp> moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us writes:
>
>I still think that GEMulator is a waste. There is no pratical
>use for it. Get an ST for $200 and be done with it... Why in god's
>name would someone waste the time to find the ROMS, waste the diskspace
>just to get something that's not even as fast as a $200 ST even with a 
>386/40?

Face it, a $200 ST will not be able to do very much. It will have 512K/1Meg
RAM, a 720K floppy, and that is all. (No monitor means you cannot use it)

If one already has a decent PC, with 4 Megs of RAM, a hard disk, floppies,
and a monitor (a $200 ST will not have one), with GEMulator, they will have
a _useable_ "2 Meg ST".

A 2 Meg ST with mono monitor will cost more than the Gemulator. Sure, the
real machine is nice, but what you do not seem to comprehend is that
you can use your existing RAM and Monitor, whereas if you get a the ST
at around the same price as the Gemulator, you'll require even more
money to buy RAM and a Monitor for it.

[complaint about MIDI purged]

>I'm confused...

No comment.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: PD Tetris WANTED
From: Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 02:04:59 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <7513@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> warwick@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
> phu27@seq1.keele.ac.uk (Asmodeus) writes:
> 
> >I am looking for an Atari PD Tetris program for a friend. I would prefer
> >a binary I can download by anonymous FTP if anyone can supply me the
> >site name/address and location of the file.
> 
> IMO, The best is "cooltetris", at atari.archive.umich.edu in the file
> 
> 		atari/games/cooltetrisV1.2.arc
> Warwick.
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I will second that, real addictive..

Could also try Blox2...!!
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From: strgh@warwick.ac.uk (J E H Shaw)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Lattice C timer routine problem
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:27:06 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK

(NOTE: this may not be a specifically Lattice C problem).

I want to time some calculations to the nearest second rather than
to the nearest 2 seconds (which seems to be the resolution of all
the library time routines).

I used vex_timr() (spelling?) and a trivial rewrite of the example given in
the Lattice C manual to update a global variable every second, but when I
ran it I got "Stack space exhausted - program aborted - 3 (usually) bombs"
message.

**  The same thing happened when I typed the example program in verbatim  **

I've tried changing a few "int"s to "short"s (since the Compute! Tech. Ref.
Guide seems to contradict the Lattice C manual), with no joy.  Be warned
that I am a GEM neophyte.

Can anyone help?  I'm using Lattice C v.5.06.02 on an old 1040STF with TOS1.0.
Many Thanks.
                        -- Ewart Shaw
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Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 18:48:26 EST
From: Carlos Varela <EENG6801@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ST MAGAZINES
 <1992Apr15.050840.10160@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>

The ones that I know in Toronto are:

   ST INFORMER - Orders: 1-800-800-2562 USA $19.95/year 55.95 w/Disk
   ATARI ADVANTAGE - (503)476-3578 USA $11.00/year
   ATARIUSER - (818)332-0372 USA $19.95/year
   ATARI EXPLORER - ??

Imports are:

   ST FORMAT (UK) - CDN $8.75/each w/Disk
   ST USER   (UK) - CDN $8.75/each w/Disk
   SHAREWARE SHOPPER (UK) - CDN $6.50/each
   PUBLIC DOMAIN     (UK) - CDN $8.75/each w/Disk
   ST APPLICATIONS (UK) - ??
   ST ACTION (UK) - CDN $10.95/each w/Disk
   ST MAGAZINE (FRANCE) - CDN $7.95/each w/Disk
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: Best Vi-Clone?
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:53:01 GMT

Well, it's still not VI (I love that old dog, too) but EDHAK is not a bad piece of work once you get used to the interface.
From: boyd@zeta.cs.fsu.edu (Mickey Boyd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Terminal server idler?
Date: 14 Apr 92 07:41:35 GMT
Reply-To: boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department

In article <JARTSU.92Apr6032009@saha.hut.fi>, Jari.Lehto@hut.fi writes:
>
>Hello!
>
>I am looking for a program, preferably an accessory, that keeps my
>terminal line up when idling. 
>The terminal servers I am using break the connection if there has been
>no input from the user in 30 minutes. So I would like to find
>something that allows me to set the ASCII value and the time-interval
>of the char and then it sends this char to the RS-port according the
>time-interval. And if it could even be auto-starting, like begin this
>idling when a certain time has passed since the last RS-traffic or a
>certain string comes from the RS-port.
>
>Some challenge for programmers? Of course this all should be able to
>run background...
>

There once was such a utility, busy.acc.  It only seemed to work on 
TOS 1.0 machines, though (so I got rid of it).  The logical place to 
put this would be as a feature of the terminal program itself.

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From: ljdickey@watmath.waterloo.edu (L. J. Dickey)
Subject: EDISK (Was: Disabling upper 2 megs.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 03:00:51 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.153228.16089@olymp.informatik.uni-bonn.de> volker@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de ( Volker A. Brandt ) writes:
>  		...   I once wrote a RAM disk called EDISK, a tiny,
>ultra-fast, reset-proof RAM disk utility.
>
>This RAM disk reserves the requested amount of memory, and executes a reset.
>When the system comes back up, the memory addresses are exactly the same as
>they would be in an ST equipped with that much less RAM. (I checked.)
> ...
>Bitnet:   UNM409@DBNRHRZ1                              Volker A. Brandt
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I am a loyal user of EDISK, still my favorite RamDisk.
Thank you, Volker A. Brandt.

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From: ilaskey@cix.compulink.co.uk (Iain Laskey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: TOS 2.06 for the MegaSTe
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:26:18 GMT
Reply-To: Iain Laskey <ilaskey@cix.compulink.co.uk>
Organization: Gated to News by demon.co.uk

I recently bought an STe (Jan 92). It had an Ajax chip already in place
instead of the Western Digital job. Atari UK said that the factory would
put in whatever was cheapest at the time. Unfortunately it didn't come
with a 1.44/2.88 meg drive to go with it :-(

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