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From: chris@tali.hsc.colorado.edu (Chris Yoder)
Newsgroups: alt.angst,alt.slack,co.general
Subject: Politics of the Museum?
Date: 23 Jan 1993 23:17:59 -0700
Organization: University of Colorado, Health Sciences Center.
NNTP-Posting-Host: tali.hsc.colorado.edu
Summary: politics

In article <1993Jan24.003238.4998@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kkoller@nyx.cs.du.edu (Capt. Sarcastic) writes:
>
>Tis cool, but their politics SUCK. 

	Why do you say that the politics of the Museum suck?  I din't think
that the Museum was _specificly_ a political entity.

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From: rhogan@phakt.usc.edu (Ron Hogan)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: logic confounding people unclear on the
Date: 25 Jan 1993 02:14:01 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes) writes:
in response to one of the many (somewhat justified) assaults on her character)

>>> I don't know that becoming an eggplant is an option for me.  I might not be
>>> up to that.
>>Then how about either finding some angst or going away?

>No, it's cool.  I found some angst.  It was really all around me.  Talking to
>you guys helped me find it.

Now look what you guys have done-- you went and got her depressed.

Of course, if she gets really good at it, it'll just make her happy again...

Ron
okay, more than somewhat--but
she's getting better
From: llama@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: hamster-ball reality
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:31:06 GMT


ten years ago, i had a hamster named irving. he used to run around my
apartment free, exploring things and stealing peanut-butter crackers,
until one day he went outside and it was hell finding him again, so i
bought a "freedom ball," a big plastic ball to put him in.  he could
move it around the house; in theory, he was almost unrestricted
(though he couldn't steal crackers anymore) but safe.

when i look at my life today, i wonder who bought the freedom ball.

i mean, in theory, i have almost everything you could want: a job that
pays enough to live on but doesn't take up too much of my time,
creative projects that intrigue me, amusing housemates who keep
domestic life from being too lonely or dull, friends all over the
place (real-life and virtual), stuff to do on weekends, dates every
now and then, occasional experiments with mind-altering chemicals,
books to read, a diet that's working really well... if you described
my life to me, i'd think "wow, cool, sounds fun."

but it all tastes distant, like it's something i'm reading about in
the paper, not something i'm living. except for periodic flashes of
intensity (that usually don't last more than a few hours at best), the
day-to-day reality of meness is *boring*. i get up, check in on the
net, go to work, go home, eat dinner, go to sleep. trundle, trundle,
the freedom ball rolls across a few more inches of floorboard before i
collapse into sleep. and sleeping's just so i'll have the energy to
push the ball a tiny bit further the next day. but where am i going
with this? what's the point? is there any reason to keep moving? if i
keep it going for a few more days, it'll be friday and i can get
vaguely intoxicated and go let music flow through me like a shower and
everything will feel deeply meaningful for three hours.  then i'll go
home and go to sleep again. i don't even think having a permanent
lover would change much; it would just make things inside my hamster
ball all that more crowded. i mean, at least this way i can see
everything all around me with minimal distortion. i'm not even sure
that this state is a problem, unless over-realism is problematic.

the ball i bought my hamster had a little door in the top you used to
put the hamster in and take him out. sometimes i think that i do
things like drop acid as a way to look for that door, to figure out
its mechanism. if i ever found it, though, would i be brave enough to
go out? and what would i do out there, run off into the front yard and
play in the leaves? or just creep around the edges and steal crackers?

--
deb | sine
"we'll inherit the earth, but we don't want it
 it's been ours since birth, whatcha doing on it?" -- the replacements
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From: chris@tali.hsc.colorado.edu (Chris Yoder)
Newsgroups: alt.angst,alt.slack,co.general
Subject: Re: Politics of the Museum?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 10:46:19 -0700
Organization: University of Colorado, Health Sciences Center.
Distribution: co
NNTP-Posting-Host: tali.hsc.colorado.edu
Summary: OK
Keywords: museum amend2 (surprised?)

In article <1993Jan28.075021.12000@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kkoller@nyx.cs.du.edu (Capt. Sarcastic) writes:
>
>But I do thik that things are a little weird when a museum decides it will
>be active politically.
>
	OK, I can see why it seems wierd for a museum to get involved in
politics that way, but if the Amendment would cause problems for Museum
Employees, then it is kind of valid.
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: szikopou@superior.carleton.ca (Steven Zikopoulos)
Subject: Re: How depressing!
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:28:19 GMT

In <1993Jan25.013345.247@leland.Stanford.EDU> tullfan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Richard Thompson) writes:

>In article <szikopou.727915002@cunews> szikopou@superior.carleton.ca (Steven Zikopoulos) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>oh, i like to express angst when i have it!  but i have noticed a trend on 
>this group to judge other peoples posting on how genuinely angstful it is.  the
>guy was saying our discussion sounded inviting...surely he has some angst, 
>right, but he's not going to talk about if his posting is slammed.  I've seen
>alot of people get critiqued cuz they didn't have enough angst or the right 
>kind of angst.

hmmm haven't noticed.  i just see it as a place to talk about stuff
"or angstful stuff" that you don't get chance to in regular social circumstances  

>sorry if i got overly aggressive...but i had just had my pooh quote knocked by
>the letter before yours and i was feeling angstful about this group.

well i'm not the one who knocked it.  got a copy of pooh and tao of
pooh on my bookshelf

Steve

Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: rice@mirage.rtp.dg.com (Brian Rice)
Subject: A Freudian slip overheard
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 05:36:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Reply-To: rice@dg-rtp.dg.com (Brian Rice)
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.
Followup-To: alt.angst

Spake the person at the next pay phone into the receiver, rather 
intensely:

     "Let's keep in torch."

And I thought MY life was complicated.

--
Brian Rice   rice@dg-rtp.dg.com   +1 919 248 6328
DG/UX Software Quality Engineering
Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, North Carolina    
"If you don't know how to pronounce a word, say it loud!" --William Strunk
From: rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: logic confounding people unclear on the concept
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:47:49 GMT
Organization: st. alfonso's pancake breakfast

In article <1jmf3lINNch6@shelley.u.washington.edu> paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes) writes:
>i write:
>>>>men do not have less angst than women, they're just overrepresented here due
>>>>to the nature of the medium, and its social implications.
>>>
>>>but I though women had that oppression thing.  You know, patriarchy and stuff.
>>>If I was a man maybe I could focus better since I wouldn't have to worry about
>>>being opressed and junk.  Agree?
>>
>>
>>"that opression thing"? what the hell are you talking about, a yeast infection?
>
>you know.  That feminism stuff.  Brownmiller and Steinem and Stein and Anthony
>and so on.  It's like this theory where men control everything and so women
>aren't really free they're just doing what men want.
>>
>>angst isn't just about repression. i don't think a person's sex has any impact
>>on the amount of angst they have. it depends on each person individually.
>
>Oh yeah I'm into that individualism thing, but I just thought that if I
>became a man I could find out once and for all if there IS a difference, just
>in case there is one.  Could we maybe take a vote or something?


no dice for me, toots. you're going directly into my kill file. you just can't
be for real...too much acid flashback in your typing, i think.

bah.
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      coed naked internet grep! always keep your link up!
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-)
Subject: Re: hermes, please pick up the white clue phone...
Organization: OFSA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:14:22 GMT

llama@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) says wearily:

<lots of excellent verbage>

>or better yet, don't enlighten us. about anything. ever.

the best line of all...now all shall hold their breaths in
anticipation. I personally think paleblue should go to talk.bizarre
for enlightenment.



Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: gkennedy@superior.carleton.ca (Garry Kennedy)
Subject: Re: I Wish There Was a God
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:55:06 GMT

In <szikopou.727721721@cunews> szikopou@alfred.carleton.ca (Steven Zikopoulos) writes:

>In <C19EKD.9Cv@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-) writes:

>>tullfan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Richard Thompson) wishes:

>>>If there were a God, then he would just destroy everything now and get it over
>>>with instead of dragging out this long and cruel joke--surely the joke would
>>>have gotten old by now and God can only get so much entertainment value by

>What if there is no cosmic parental figure as in the Jud.-Christ.
>tradition.
>What if we're god? You, me, your neighbour, the carbon in the
>microchips of our computers....?
>A tad pantheistic but.....just wanted to provoke some further thought.
> 

Steve 
with uppity talk like that i'm beginning to think that your one of
them there aetheists. if you don't keep your mind to yourself we'll
have to get some folks together and learn you right.

G.
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-)
Subject: Re: stuff
Organization: OFSA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:44:00 GMT

paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes) sez:


>sls is a really smart guy with the posts I read and all, but he doesn't 

p'raps you mean "smart ass"? I HAVE been called that a few times!

>have the whole picture here.  The hole is actually from DogBowl's fear
>of death.  He thinks he can somehow cheat death by falling in love.  Well,

Say WHAT? Death is NOTHING!!! LIFE is where your problems lie. I hold
with my original diagnosis... decide the PAST has nothing to do with
the present YOU and that "hole" fades.

>he doesn't think it think it, but he thinks it so he can't hear what he's
>thinking, like that Freud stuff.  Anyway, the hole's just gonna get wider
>until it finally swallows him and he dies.  So don't even try to make it

I think I know what you think about the thinking, I think. .... what?
Yah, if I     interpret what you are trying to say "Too much thinking
is stinking"...more or less. Don't think so damn much, don't fear so
damn much.

iz that right, paleblue?

sls
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: machala@spdc.ti.com (King Mosher)
Subject: Re: Strange Days Indeed.....
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:00:50 GMT

sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes:

>In article <XIBO.93Jan20005322@ziggy.fido.econ.arizona.edu> xibo@fido.econ.arizona.edu (Mr. Coates) writes:
>>machala@spdc.ti.com (King Mosher) writes:
>>#
>>#This is not always true. However, in 90% of the cases it is. If 
>>#romance does not break out in the first two dates, then you've 
>>#blown it or she is not interested. Being a "nice guy" doesn't
>>#mean you let womyn walk all over you. 
>>
>>Wow.  I've never really thought about it this way, but y'know, it
>>really does seem to work out that way.  Either it's obvious very
>>early on that there's going to be boinking action / intamacy, or
>>it ends up in a months-long quest with little reward and ultimately
>>ends in failure.


>Well, I have a counter-example to this. Seems like around this time
>last year a FOAF I met at a con and I were kind of circling around each
>other and went out a couple times but to no avail. I was attracted to her
>but her not to me. We stayed friends over the next few months and about a month
>after she broke up with her then-LDR last summer, we started hanging together
>again and shortly thereafter commenced with boinking like rabbits for about 2 months
>before we found out that we both wanted vastly different things from life and that
>was pretty much that. We both had fun and we're still friends, so.....
>I of course have to follow this up with the fact that this is the first time I
>had a friendship turn into something more several months after the initial
>meeting, so maybe it is true...

Hence, the 90%. Really it's more like 95%. I've had the above only happen once.
A gorgeous woman (Kathy) moved next door to me. She with two boys, me with one.
We became good friends and our children played together. Anyway, for six 
months we did practically everything together but have sex. (I think
back and this is totally crazy because she is *very* desirable. But I
really still had gina on my mind (a previous SO whom I have written post
after post but have never been able to submit any to a.a (gina being
the reason I am reading a.a))) but I stray. anyway, one day my brother
pops by and Kathy and I are watching TV or some such, lying on the couch
together. he makes many lewd suggestions/comments about what we've
been up to. after he leaves, something breaks and we end up with boinking/
snogging/whatever for the next three days straight. Quite incredible and 
perhaps a good enough reason to abstain from sex until marriage. This was 
my 1 out of 20. my 5%. Kathy and I are still best friends, but she is
married to someone else and has moved to Georgia. Oh well. 

--

     Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me.

Chuck Machala-Semiconductor Process and Design Center-Texas Instruments/Dallas
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: logic confounding people unclear on the concept
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:24:10 GMT
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA

In article <1jjsb2INN603@shelley.u.washington.edu> paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes) writes:
>In article <1993Jan19.190756.2489@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins) writes:
>>In article <1jh9snINN7hs@shelley.u.washington.edu> paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes) writes:
>>
>>
>>>Unfortunately, I'm not good at angst.  Do you think I should become a man?
>>>Do men have less angst than women?  I want as little angst as possible.

Naaahh...just different forms..I know a good number of both and each seems
to be about as equally angst filled. And please folks, before the rebuttals
start, think ANGST. *NOT* "MY life sucks more than your because I'm $GENDER."
Angst can be PART of that problem, but it shouldn't be used to describe the
whole problem. 



>>then go away. or we'll suck you in, we'll make your life HELL!!!!
>
>I don't believe in Hell.  :)
>
>>men do not have less angst than women, they're just overrepresented here due
>>to the nature of the medium, and its social implications.
>
>but I though women had that oppression thing.  You know, patriarchy and stuff.
>If I was a man maybe I could focus better since I wouldn't have to worry about
>being opressed and junk.  Agree?


Heheheh...you obviously haven't been keeping up w/ the latest political trends.
The PC clique is in power now, and if you're a YoungStraightWhiteEvilPatriarch
OppressorPig(read SWM), boy are you in for it. And even if you aren't, if you're
wearing those XY chromosomes you've gotta be in league with them somehow.
But then again, thats how it appears close to the source. It takes time for it
to filter out to the rest of the country.


>>should i become a man? now, there's angst. at least the job discrimination 
>>would decrease significantly...

Jeeze...and I was just thinking the opposite.
---Steve
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From: eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com (Erik Radmall)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Angstlet
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:42:24 GMT
Reply-To: eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation

It always seems that just when I get a little mental equilibrium, WHAM!
A few months ago I dated this girl I though was really nice. I even let
go a little and chose not to play games. Of course, I didn't realize just
how many emotional land mines I stepped on in the process of being
straightforward. Some clues for me might have been that she hadn't had
a serious relationship for 6 years, hated her ex-husband, and was fanatically
religious. She even told her brother (who set us up) that she _really_
liked me. Anyway, one day, it seemed, she decided not to talk to me,
ever again. No explanation, no nothing. I called, even sent a letter, all
to no avail. Now, I can handle a "no", or an "I don't think we should
see each other," and yes, even an LJBF, but NOT a situation with NO
FEEDBACK. This ego wound festered for weeks, having know way of knowing
what went wrong (I alway like to do post-mortems on dead relationships).
Well, I had finally gotten over her rudeness and the ego blast, so I
thought. Yesterday coming out of the bagel shop, I run into her (and
she lives on a totally different side of town). It took a good 2 seconds
for my brain to recognize her, by that time she had already passed. I
just wanted to scream at her for being such an inconsiderate bitch. I
spent all day yesterday thinking of put-downs if I ever ran into her
again. Well, it's just nature screwing with me, again (deja vu, anyone?).

---
Erik Radmall -- eradm.wbst845e@xerox.com
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU (Stephen Grossman)
Subject: The Anti-Angst
Reply-To: pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:28:36 GMT

zippety doo da 
zippety ay
my oh my
what a wonderful day
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From: pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: How depressing!
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 17:22:41 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: darkpark

> >I'm glad that your life is proceeding more smoothly than those on
> >alt.angst who are using the board to express their ANGST
> >S Zikopoulos
> >
> 
> I get the feeling that alt.angst is a sort of frat or something.  If you don'
> properly express your angst--even in your first posting--or if you express it
> but have inappropriate angst, then you just don't belong, so fuck off.  quite
> the little social club you guys got going here...i'm proud o' y'all...i just
> wish i fet more accepted...sniff...i need this kind of positive, wholesome
> interaction in my life...sniff...but my angst just isn't cool enough...sniff.

 True enough. It's a fine line, though -- between those who would try to 
be assholes and those who just want to point out that there's more to 
life than dreaming about slitting your own wrists. 
 In this case, you're right, though.


> WAKE UP--everyone fucking has angst...its what life is about...and the ones
> who manage to put it behind them are the ones who succeed...and the ones who
> wallow in it...well. discussing is one thing, but some of you make an identit
> of it..and are even proud of it!  some of you like being angstful...and get
> defensive if the SACRED ANGST is not view properly.  
> 
> whatever.

 Right again. As a self-help group or just a place to vomit up problems, 
alt.angst is fine...problem is, without anyone to question it all, 
everyone just listelessly masturbate each other. Ahhh, well...it DOES 
serve a purpose, even at its worst.
 A question, though; with all of the newsgroups available, why would a 
strong, happy individual such as yourself select alt.angst?



marlowe

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Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: dsmither@alfred.carleton.ca (Diane Smithers)
Subject: Re: hair (was Re: qualities in men)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 06:54:01 GMT

In <1993Jan23.044638.19147@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan) writes:

>dsmither@alfred.carleton.ca (Diane Smithers) writes:

(post about irresistable french girl and obnoxious nonsensical
response deleted)


>>I hope you're kidding.  If you are, you should try to develop some wit
>>in your free time because you're not even remotely amusing, and if
>>you're not, you're a prick. 

>Besides which, hair has no odor that I'm aware of, so I don't quite see his
>point.

Heck, no.  My understanding is that hair has to hit the outside
bacteria sitting on our skin to accumulate any odor.  I don't think he
really has a point, but the nasty wenches and euromutts bits kind of
pushed my buttons and therefore deserved some flaming (unfortunately,
I'm sort of a ready-flamer; I mean that quite unambiguously - i.e. I'm
not also a gay male).


Diane



dsmither@ccs.carleton.ca
Soc/Anth Dept.
Carleton Univ.
Ottawa, Canada
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Strange Days Indeed.....
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:55:06 GMT
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA

In article <XIBO.93Jan20005322@ziggy.fido.econ.arizona.edu> xibo@fido.econ.arizona.edu (Mr. Coates) writes:
>machala@spdc.ti.com (King Mosher) writes:
>#
>#This is not always true. However, in 90% of the cases it is. If 
>#romance does not break out in the first two dates, then you've 
>#blown it or she is not interested. Being a "nice guy" doesn't
>#mean you let womyn walk all over you. 
>
>Wow.  I've never really thought about it this way, but y'know, it
>really does seem to work out that way.  Either it's obvious very
>early on that there's going to be boinking action / intamacy, or
>it ends up in a months-long quest with little reward and ultimately
>ends in failure.


Well, I have a counter-example to this. Seems like around this time
last year a FOAF I met at a con and I were kind of circling around each
other and went out a couple times but to no avail. I was attracted to her
but her not to me. We stayed friends over the next few months and about a month
after she broke up with her then-LDR last summer, we started hanging together
again and shortly thereafter commenced with boinking like rabbits for about 2 months
before we found out that we both wanted vastly different things from life and that
was pretty much that. We both had fun and we're still friends, so.....
I of course have to follow this up with the fact that this is the first time I
had a friendship turn into something more several months after the initial
meeting, so maybe it is true...

---Steve
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