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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,soc.culture.african.american,sci.skeptic
Subject: AIDS as a Weapon.
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 23:53:15 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <rKB=qf-@engin.umich.edu> dem@engin.umich.edu (Darryle E Merlette) writes:

>In light of the facts behind the Tuskegee Experiment, the Violence
>Initiative, and known chemical/biological warfare capabilities, one
>would have to be naive and/or stupid to consider this categorically
>impossible. 
>

Let us consider AIDS as a weapon and it's potential use in a theatre
of war.

The American soldier fires his micro syringe bullets at the enemy
crying.  
"Nyah Nyah in ten or so years you're gonna die a really horrible death!"

Great stuff.  Really scare the sh*t out of them damn [insert derogatory 
nickname for the enemy of the moment here].

I really find it hard to believe that a nation which runs it's economy
based on quarterly returns and can change sides on the fly (e.g. 1981 
Iran is bad Iraq is good, 1991 Iraq is bad Iran is good), could conceive 
of a weapon which takes so long to have any effect.  

After all how many changes of government/foreign policy have you had
in the US since 1950?


-- 
Derek Tearne.   --   derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz   --    Fujitsu New Zealand   -- 
Some of the more aware dinosaurs were worried about the environmental
consequences of an accident with the new Iridium enriched fusion reactor.  
"If it goes off only the cockroaches and mammals will survive..." they said.
From: harris.minter@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Harris Minter) 
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Going Topless/Nude in a C
Date: 13 Nov 92 05:15:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ed Hopper's BBS - Berkeley Lake, GA - 404-446-9462
Reply-To: harris.minter@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Harris Minter) 

>>     With todays power assist, it may not make sense any more, but it
>>     may still be the law.

>This is an urban legend.  It is not required to wear shoes.  I've met members
>of the State Police who laugh really hard when they stop someone and find them
>struggling to get their shoes on.

Supposedly, this stems from the fact that before hydraulic brakes, the
brake system had a mechanical linkage.  Therefore, after repeated
usage, the pedal would become quite hot.  A shoeless user would be
extremely reluctant to depress the pedal.
                                                                                                 
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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Furrfu
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 09:37:11 GMT

tc = twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
r = PCT601%SIRIUS.UKC.AC.UK@ib.rl.ac.uk (Robryche)

r: And, of course, the whole network could be brought down.
tc: I believe the customary expression is "IMMINENT DEATH OF THE NET".

You forgot to say "film at 11".

Warren "or is it immanent?" Burstein
-- 
/|/-\/-\       In real life, the Vice President chastises Murphey Brown
 |__/__/_/     for her morals.  Bill Clinton plays the sax on "Arsenio
 |warren@      Hall."  Though "Batman Returns" is fiction, it's not too
/ nysernet.org much stranger than truth - Caryn James, The New York Times
From: zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: IBM in the UK - History?
Date: 9 Nov 92 08:48:09 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.

In article <27261@dog.ee.lbl.gov> TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:
>    It is reported that IBM did not sell any mainframes at all in
>    Britain in 1992.   Zero.    None.   They sold a bunch of mini's
>    some service/support, and a few PS/2's but no heavy metal. Does 
>    anyone have any evidence one way or the other on this report?
>Terry "Incomplete British Museum?" Chan




I find that hard to believe - perhaps they don't call them mainframes
anymore?  Amdahl likes to sell superservers these days :-)


What does seem to be true is that the new Ambra subsiduary, set up to sell
cheapish IBM clones (not really IBM you see but everyone knows who actually
owns the company.) has been a marketing disaster.  They spend millions on
promotion with some really naff TV ads, but all the UK computer rags are
reporting that the TOTAL sales so far are somewhere between 1000 and 10000
machines.



-- 
Geoff. Lane. | Internet: zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk | Janet: zzassgl@uk.ac.mcc.uts
UTS Sys Admin,  Manchester Computing Centre,  Oxford Rd,  Manchester, M13 9PL
During a week's TV I want to be entertained, bored, delighted, disgusted, made
happy, saddened, enlightened, mystified, else they aren't doing the job right.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: ldoering@engin.umich.edu (Laurence Doering)
Subject: Lobster Vasectomy (was Microwave Death)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 02:58:08 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Nov12.182911.861@hubcap.clemson.edu> michaet@hubcap.clemson.edu (michael dale townsend) writes:
>
>My point:  this story may or may not be true, but I believe that it is
>possible.  Remember that commercial microwaves (if this store had one)
>are more powerful than the average domestic models.  I remember seeing
>one that was 10000 watts!  It would pop an entire bag of popcorn in
>about 20 seconds.  I don't think that disabling a safety 
>interlock would be that difficult, either.  Of course, you would have to
>be a complete moron to try it, but then where would urban legends be
>without idiots.  Just today on the radio, they reported where some guy
>shoplifting a grocery store stuffed a live lobster down his pants and
>inadvertantly got a free vasectomy. . .

Yeah, right.  Free castration, perhaps.  Free lacerations about the groin,
maybe.  Free _vasectomy_?  

Larry "For God's sake, don't let that lobster read _Gray's Anatomy!" Doering
From: mrice@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Matt Rice)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Careful with that Gun, Eugene!
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:50:45 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <Bx90ro.F1s.2@cs.cmu.edu> smith+@cs.cmu.edu (Sean Smith) writes:
>  PRINCETON, W.Va.---A man accidentally shot himself in the right foot while
    rest of story deleted...
>
>--Sean ``that's what an Ivy League education does for you'' Smith

Yeah.  Too bad Princeton (the Ivy League institution) is in New Jersey...

--Matt "University of Pennsylvania -- 	NOT PENN STATE" Rice

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,soc.culture.african.american,sci.skeptic
From: dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552)
Subject: Re: 1950's Darryle, damnit.
Organization: just me
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 15:54:02 GMT
Followup-To: sci.skeptic

In article <XrB=1k@engin.umich.edu> dem@engin.umich.edu (Darryle E Merlette) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.134053@IASTATE.EDU>
>danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock) gives irrefutable proof
>that the rabies virus can cross species boundaries by acting like
>a mad dog! He writes:
>
>>Darryle, AIDS appeared in the fifties.  Everything you have to say is rendered
>>nonsense by this observation.  Could you please stop wasting time and space and
>>take cognizance?  Ay least post a _possible_ conspiracy theory.  At the moment
>>you're repeating yourself like a parrot while ignoring an objection that
>>destroys your whole thesis.  Why?
>
>Even if AIDS appeared in the 50's (what evidence is there of this?)
>and is a naturally occurring virus, that doesn't preclude its use in wiping 
>out populations just as smallpox was used to wipe out the indiginous people 
>of North America. So you are wrong if you think everything I'm saying is
>rendered nonsense by your dubious claim. 

Of course, at this level of reading of the evidence, you must conclude that
syphilis was a plot by the American Indigenous Peoples (can't call them
Indians, that's demeaning and references an oppressive paternalistic
Eurocentrism) to wipe out Europe.  Killed quite a few.  The thing I can't
figure out is whether the Black Plague was a plot by the Chinese, or
the Muslim traders and those who bought from them...

I can see why you don't want to post any more about this, Darryl...

	David Pipes
robear@digex.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: AIDS and the CIA (was Question)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:15:55 GMT

matthews@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Matt Sullivan) writes:
: Wow, this is the longest thread that I ever started!! 
: 
: but, the first half of that original 'Question' was: has anybody ever
: heard of anything called Goldenseal that can take THC out of your urine?
: IE for drug tests??

Yes - don't count on it. Abstain from use for about 30 days - the 
concentration of metabolites should be below the test threshold.

Bill
Xref: sparky alt.folklore.urban:27593 alt.folklore.college:2833
From: dkelly@bio3.acpub.duke.edu (Dianne Kelly)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.college
Subject: Re: Still Sinking.../Architectural Goofs
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:42:17 GMT
Reply-To: dkelly@bio3.acpub.duke.edu (Dianne Kelly)
Followup-To: alt.folklore.urban


 _In reference to all these campus libraries sinking under the weight of their
own collections......
  I think the University of Chicago (where I was an undergrad) is the only place
without this particular legend. However, it's said that the Main library on 
campus (the Regenstein) is RADIOACTIVE instead!
  Some background: the site of the Regenstein Library used to be occupied by the
football stadium. During the Manhattan Project, the squash courts under the 
stadium were used to construct the world's first atomic pile. After the war, the
pile was dismantled and sent to a park somewhere else in Chicago to be "disposed
of", the stadium was torn down, and a really blobby Moore sculpture was put over
the actual site -- but the stories remain. The most typical variation is that 
the Reg has a secret subasement level that no one can go into because the 
radiation is too intense.
							Diane Kelly
							Duke Zoology
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Halloween
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:04:28 GMT
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

joltes@husc10.harvard.edu (Richard Joltes) writes:
  
  [Some junk about Halloween similar to mine deleted]

  +ObStuff:  it's really interesting to examine how various religions heisted
  +one another's holidays for their own uses.  Look at All Saints <-> Halloween,
  +Saturnalia <-> Christmas, Beltane <-> Easter for some examples.

I like to think of them as updating them with this year's newer, better
holiday myself.
  
  +Wow, a whole posting without mention of Disraeli, Gladstone, Churchill, POSH,
  +Snuff, Chevy Novas, or the Terries!

That's okay, we'll forgive you for the last one.

Terry "Me too!" Chan
--
Energy and Environment Division   | Internet:  TWChan@lbl.gov
Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory      | 
Berkeley, California  USA  94720  | Carpe Per Diem
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: rbrown@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Rich Brown -- Neither)
Subject: Re: Airport security
Originator: rbrown@troon.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:11:23 GMT

In article <fmonro.721573911@neumann.une.edu.au> fmonro@neumann.une.edu.au (F J Monro) writes:
>"If the law says that, sir, then the law is an ass." 
>
>Who said it anyway?

Mr. Beadle, a character (head of the work'ouse) in Dickens's _Oliver_Twist_.
He said it to a judge after the judge said something like:  "The law assumes
you are responsible for your wife's actions."

Can you prove he didn't?

>-Che "Humans are most illogical" Monro  
>aka fmonro@neumann.une.edu.au  

-- 
Rich "The Dickens you say" Brown
rbrown@ncsa.uiuc.edu
From: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Still Sinking.../Architectural Goofs
Date: 8 Nov 92 17:58:48 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <1992Nov7.035246.19850@news.acns.nwu.edu>, ssriv@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Sanjay Srivastava) writes...
> 
>re: the University of Chicago radoiactivity story...
> 
>	I also seem to remember hearing a story that when they were
>testing this atomic pile, they had two grad students standing above it, on
>the gound level, holding control rods in case anything went wrong.  Anyone
>from U of C able to back me up on this?

I recently read a description of this, according to the book they had one
person with an axe and another with a large hammer.  If anything went wrong
the person with the axe was to cut a rope which dropped control rods and
the person with the hammer broke a large bottle of boric acid over the
reactor which was supposed to stop the reaction.

-Mike "The next part of the instructions was something about sticking
their heads between their legs..." Moroney
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers
From: arielle@NeoSoft.com (Stephanie da Silva)
Subject: Re: Jackpotting ATM's for $$$$
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:24:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.184730.3578@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> khoover@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (kent.d.hoover) writes:
> 
> By the way, what does the middle initial 'T' in ATM stand for?

Is this a trick question?

It stand for Terry, of course.
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: ATM fraud
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:36:05 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie) writes:
: >This means that each bank on the network has the PVK for all banks 
: >hooked to the network. The DES algorith must also be identical for
: 
: No.  See below.
: 
: >all banks. In other words, your PIN is not at all secure if someone
: 
: The alrogithm is the same; the PVK is different.

Sure, the PVK is different for each bank - although it is likely to be
the same for all branches of that bank. Now, if any bank on the network
can validate your number - even if the phone network is down - as one
poster stated - then they can get enough from the card to validate your
PIN. If they can do that, then anyone else can - who knows the algorithm
and can read the card. The algorithm is probably public knowledge - it is
not hard to read the information on the card.

: >gets hold of your card. 
: 
: The PIN is not secure if someone from YOUR BANK who has the PVK can
: read you card, and has details of the way the encryption is implemented
: in the standard.  (The PVK is "secret", the "implementation standard" is 
: not).

Someone posted that the PVK was on your card. If either it, or your PIN
is there, then the PIN is not secure. Nor should there be any pretense
of it being secure. 

... deleted ...

:   else                         /* card is from another bank */
:   {
:      if(able to reach other bank on network)
:      {
:         Validate PIN and balance across network.  Dispense cash if
:         appropriate.
:      }
:      else                      /* Unable to reach issuing bank on network */
:      {
:         Refuse to process withdrawl request.

This is counter to the claim of several other posters, who stated that they
could make withrawals, even if the network was down. Those claims, to me,
pointed out a security problem - if their claims are true.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: Tomorrow's Conspiracy Theory, brought to you today.
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:52:03 GMT

In article <8095@arccs1.fed.FRB.GOV> m1tca00@fed.frb.gov (Thomas C. Allard) writes:

>Seriously, why would Bill want to eliminate PACs, Interest groups, etc etc.  Isn't that how he was elected.  Who does he think his constituency will be in 1996?  The PEOPLE!?!
>
Doubtful, since about 2/3 of them voted for others.

But the President in US methods is the one with the most Electoral votes,
not the popular vote.

cjl
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From: jberger@novell.com (John Berger)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Japanese Connection
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:26:38 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc.

In article <5NOV199217424048@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov> dpm1960@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (snopes) writes:
>
>What?  What about Shining Path, the Illuminati, the Tri-Lateral Commission,
>the PLO, the ANC, the Mexican Mafia, and EDS?
                                          ^^^^
Wasn't that the short guy with the big ears that was linked to EDS & General 
Motors?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers
From: komarimf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Mark 'Henry' Komarinski)
Subject: Re: Jackpotting ATM's for $$$$
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:08:09 GMT

hleaves@gems.vcu.edu writes:

>I was reading an article in an "anarchist" magazine (I can't remember which
>one) that was talking about ATM (teller machine) "jackpotting". "Jackpotting"
>an ATM machine involves cutting the data lines to the machine and splicing in
>your personal computer. When you put an ATM card in the machine your computer
>intercepts the ATM's account inquiry messages. It then returns, of course, an
>infinite balance on the account, along with other appropriate information
>allowing you to withdraw as much money as you can from the machine. The article
>said someone had succesfully done this for a take of several thousand dollars.
>The article did not give any technical details about the procedure. My question
>is: Is this really possible or is this article just a figment of someones
>overactive imagination? Has anyone else heard of this being done? Would anyone
>care to speculate on how they pulled it off?

I was told that the commands sent through the modem port were encrypted with
100 digit primes..similar levels of encryption used for your passwords, etc.
Finding out the specific commands to tell the ATM that you have 'card of
infinite funds' would be rather difficult to do.  Also, you'd need a lot
of time to do it.  Probably takes time X+1, where X is the amount of time
for someone to figure out you're doing something you're not supposed to.

-Mark

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From: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: furrfu??
Keywords: Beats The Hell Out Of Me
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:25:01 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation

In article <zlsiida.374@fs1.mcc.ac.uk>, zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) 
writes:
> In article <1992Nov4.215431.19946@athena.cs.uga.edu> jordan@castor 
(USENET's 
> Chuck) writes:
> 
> >Now here's my question:  what does BTW stand for?

On another network, someone unwittingly asked, "By the way, what does BTW 
stand for?", apparently seriously.

I couldn't help it.  I answered, "That's right.  Now who's on first?"

Terry Carroll - tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com - 408/992-2152
The opinions presented above are not necessarily those of a sound mind.
From: harris.minter@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Harris Minter) 
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: [Insert series here]
Date: 9 Nov 92 06:50:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ed Hopper's BBS - Berkeley Lake, GA - 404-446-9462
Reply-To: harris.minter@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Harris Minter) 

>: Arguably the worst Sci-Fi series ever put on TV. You'd think with Harl
>: Ellison writing they could do better. Another Star Trek tie in (beside
>: Ellison writing), I believe Walter Konig did a guest spot as Oro the A
>:
>
>Go and buy Ben Bova's novel ``The Starcrossed''. Bloody hilarious and
>contains a portrayal of a character rather _tooooo_ close to Harlan Elli
>for comfort.

If you ever get a chance, read Ellison's "How's the Night Life on
Cissalda".  You'll laugh until you hurt something.
        
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From: amcbride@axion.bt.co.uk (Alan McBride)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: ...is this a UL??? (2)
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:04:31 GMT
Reply-To: AMcBride@axion.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom Research Laboratories



A friend-of-a-friend in glasgow, scotland stole
a pair of a girl's soiled underwear.  He was
besotted with her and the underwear fuelled his
fantasies.  He retired to his bedroom and lay
down, draping the underwear over his face.  He 
proceeded to masturbate with relish.  Some time
later his mother called to him from downstairs to
tell him his dinner was prepared.  He didn't 
stall but simply shouted that he would be down
in a moment.  He continued to a satisfying climax,
and lay for a moment to recover.  Then he sat
up and was about to go down to dinner when he saw 
his dinner on a tray on his bed side table.  
Somehow he managed not to immediately leave home.


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From: hwt@bcarh11a.BNR.CA (Henry Troup)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Solar time
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:56:45 GMT
Reply-To: Henry.Troup@BNR.CA
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada


|>>plot of the mathematical function is called an ... ummm ... orrery? no,
|>>incubus? no, inclinometer? not even close ... huh.  I don't remember. 
|>I think you mean Lissajous. I don't know if the "odd figure-8 shaped

|>>It doesn't vary by much, but it *is* observable.

analemma.  Someone recently photographed it, in a 365 exposure frame. 
Neat trick.
                            
Henry Troup - H.Troup@BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions
"I disagree with what you say but will defend to the death your right to
say it"
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