HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim) <jogle@aoc.nrao.edu>
Subject: Re:  Kult of Kansas Jim
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Josh writes:

> Ahhh... but what of those of us that have answered the CALL of Kansas Jim,
> and await his rise from the murky depths of the Midwestern dustbowl...

Did that years ago.

Now I just need to rise out of the depths of the New Mexican
dustbowl....  8-)

And to answer the original question, anyone attempting a miracle in
the Cyberpapacy using Faith (Kansas Jim) would probably have a +6
penalty due to the Law of the One True God.

Kansas Jim (jogle@aoc.nrao.edu)
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Subject: Re:  Archive and GodNet...Good News
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:29:00 GMT
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Well, KS Jim, I don't know the official answer, but I can tell you the
following. GodNet was (and is! Halleleujah!) at the morticia site, at
morticia.cnns.unt.edu 7777. And I can also tell you that while you can
currently connect as a player, the system is locked out so that you
can't actually get into the game (thus I assume the programmers need more
time to get things back rolling).

ALL HAIL THE GODNET'S RETURN!

--
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From: wolf@cheshire.oxy.edu (Clinton Richard Wolf)
Subject: Re: Most Dangerous Highlord
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:20:40 GMT

In article <gatemail1.0b32120462224912@morticia> smooge@jupiter.nmt.edu (the Smooge) writes:
>That is if you use the "WEG MUNCHKIN" writeup. I am so sick of that one
>I rewrote her and the technodemons. Under this one she reflects that she
>is a new highlord... and not a match for the gaunt man in one on one 
>combat.
>
>the Smooge
 Okay, but remember Jez is no wimp. One of the reasons Tharkold is munchkin
(or at least seems so) is it is one harsh, badass world to have to grow up in.
Darwinism in action. And Jez was the leader of one of the most elite, kickass
military units on that planet! In purely physical terms, the only highlord
that should come close is Baruk Kaah... and Tharkold is not a place for dummies
either, so she's got quite a bit of brains and savvy... although not as much
as say, Mobius or 3327. Tharkold is definitely munchkin when compared to realms
like, say, Aysle... no wait, there we've got Dragons and elves... how about 
the Cyberpapacy... no, Hospitallers... Nippon... nah, Ninjas... Nile Empire...
oh blast it... pulp powers and Wierd Science! ... Space Gods? No! Even BIGGER
GUNS (tm)...

 See, every cosm has munchkin aspects. The prob with Thark is that it was pre-
sented wrong, allowing the munchkinisms to overshadow the inherent value and
feel of the realm.


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From: smooge@jupiter.nmt.edu (the Smooge)
Subject: Re: Archive and GodNet...Good News
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HEY I just thought of what I want to do when I get back on Godnet!!
When we had last seen our intrepid hero, I had sold my soul for power
and glory... but was just gettting beaten up by Cardinals as a pastime.

Well no more, when I come back, I will BE a prophet of the new church, the
sect with the most, THE CULT OF KANSAS JIM.

the SMooGE
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From: cpearce@nemesis.acs.unt.edu (Chris Pearce)
Subject: Re:  GM vs Demon
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> Darkness Devices cannot loan out their Reality skill, period.  Without
> their Reality skill they cannot exist, so it never gets loaned out.

Hence, my idea of the ultimate DD slayer -- The Silver Tongue, Nile
pulp hero with Super Skill: Persuade bought up to mind-boggling
levels. "Hey, Mister DD, how about you lend me your Reality skill
for a moment..."

Of course, the Persuade would have to be at a monstrous level, but
I believe that Supersklls have a linear cost progression... get it
to about 50-60 and it has a chance of working (since the DD is Hostile
and it is being asked to perform a self-destructive act.)

I think The Silver Tongue is a character that would have GMs quaking
in their shoes... as long as he got to speak first, the only thing that
could hurt him would be:

    1) Act of God (easily eliminated by having Focus boy become
       his sidekick)
    2) Someone who didn't understand his language (and heap on Super
       Skill: Language to boot in order to fix this problem)

> Kansas Jim (jogle@aoc.nrao.edu)

-- 
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From: smooge@jupiter.nmt.edu (the Smooge)
Subject: Re: NEWS FLASH
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a blinding flash of light and with the single belief of a mortal
the SMooGE rises into the heavens... he has transcended his mortal
frame and become a god. (He also takes the 5 possibilities from
Anthony Greene and gives him an add in Faith(Smooge).)

the High Cardinal of the WHite Tower
the Living Dios of Tech

the Smooge
:)
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From: "James H. Kiley" <jkiley@andy.bgsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Flintlock
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:38:44 GMT



On Mon, 16 Nov 1992 agreene@mta.ca wrote:

> In article <gatemail1.0b31718295417810@morticia>, michael@stb.info.com (Michael Gersten) writes:
> >>           5.  Why would anyone use a flintlock pistol?
>[snip] 
> I don't CARE if it can be set off by heat, or explosions, or saurkraut, or
> bango drums, or happy pogo sticks!  It's a USELESS weapon.  A bow has a
> lower tech axiom, does between (circa) 14 and 18 damage, and it can be used
> more than once without spending a round to reload!  A flintlock may not be
> widely used in Aysle, but it was supposed to have made armor useless (after the
> longbow did, of course).  I'd like to see a flintlock SCRATCH someone in plate
> mail (toughness between 13 and 18) without cards and possibilities being sunk
> into the action.  It's a WEAPON dammit, not just a minor inconvenience for
> those who are hit by it.

	Go ahead.  TRY to conceal a longbow.

	Food for thought.

jk


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From: Ville Lavonius <lavonius@cc.helsinki.fi>
Subject: Re: What are people "top 18 list" for source/supplements...
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Ks. Jim put forth:

> Well, I asked a similar question earlier this week, since we've had
> enough new GMs come onto the list and ask what was good I was going to
> put it into the FAQ list as a "What should I buy?" kind of question.
> 
> So please, lets get some responses from the GMs out there!  And think
> about the modules too, since new GMs usually ask about them as well.

Ok, here's my comments on the wares that I have (not too much, actually
I retreated back to AD&D when the players didn't really like the deck).

Aysle: Ok, it's a bit colorless (and quite stereotyped, but hey GWTG).
	The magic system is quite weird and any apprentice mages are
	going to need the few spellcreation examples published here.

Cyberpapacy: Very very good. Imaginative ideas on what happened when
	the reality storms struck. Quite non-PC, well written.

Destiny Map: The first module in relics of power trilogy. I liked 
	this one a lot, it features everyone's favorite villain 
	Wu Han. Be prepared to create a new beginning if you have
	an unorthodox party (no giants in Atlanta).

Forever City: Didn't spend any cash on this. Winged it after reading
	Rick Jones' RoP-writeup.

Infiniverse Update: A must if you (like me) don't subscribe to
	the mag itself.

Possibility Chalice: Part II of RoP. Too dungeon-crawly, but the
	investigation bit in London is a gem.

Queenswrath: "Instant adventures" for those who are in desperate need
	for action in Aysle. Nice ideas for those with the time and
	patience to develop on them.



> Kansas Jim (jogle@aoc.nrao.edu)
> 
-- 
Ville Lavonius	        University of Helsinki, Dept. of Computer Science
lavonius@cc.helsinki.fi : "Dead girls never say no" 

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From: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink)
Subject: Quantum Leap of Faith...
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	Hey!  I just got an idea!  Providing anyone remembers (and, boy,
if you don't you dure have short memories!) the faith(science) discussions
from a while back...

	Whadda ya say to Project Quantum Leap coming about as a direct
invocation to SCIENCE...  But instead of *poof* "here's your time-travel
facility, little boy!", SCIENCE granted one Dr. Samuel Beckett a vision...
that one could time travel within his own lifetime...

	
I am the terror that flaps over Cairo
	I am the plot device that started this show!
		_I_ am DRAMA DUCK!

	or even possibly Josh Geurink, CVE, but I'm not telling.
From: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink)
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Subject: The nastiest highlord (or some such nonsense)
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:51:43 GMT
Reply-To: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu


I wrote:

> Pardon me, Telestro, for not quoting directly from your article (it hasn't
> reached Texas over the boards yet), but I beleive I recognize that psychopath
> in your party...
> 
> ....the one who started his gaming carreer as a Jack-the-Ripper type Asylish
> street thief seeking MORE adds in corruption who ended up on the wrong
> end of Pierre DeVris' invoked reality storm, got transformed, only to later
> later discover his TRUE IDENTITY as Kanzar the Contemptable, right-hand man
> to Dr. Mobius unitl Wu-Han arranged to have the psycho "disposed of" in
> the Asyle realm...
>
> He wouldn't cut the hearts out of every opponet he kills, would he?  And pack
> those hearts in a little pouch hanging at his belt until he gets HUNGRY, would
> he...?
>
> He wouldn't be the reason your GM is scared to run Highlord of Earth, for
> fear that Kanzar will welcome the coming of the bloody Aztec Empire with
> open arms... would he?
>
> Nah.  Must be someone else.

To which Telestro replies:

:I certainly don't think that there could be more than one character like that in 
:the whole Infiniverse..... If there were, I'd run screaming my head off and 
:change my template to Victorian Lunatic.
:And I think it would violate some natural law. Apeiros would have to take 
:action.

Oh, sure.  Give this homicidial Malcom Kane wanna-be the chance to kill
off creation.  I can just see the hoser SOMEHOW accomplishing an all-out
vital-blow backstab attack and killing her/it off with his Elven sword...
(bad Pat - Bad! Don't go letting those things fall into the wrong hands!!!)
  

Kinda like killing the Nameless One with an air rilfe...
(Look!  I rolled a 20!  And another 20! And another!  --Pickes up bucket
full o' Torgian 20s and dumps it-- They're all 20s!!!  (GM) No, that one's
a 19.  (Player)  I spend a possibility...)


Anyone care for the stats for altered fruit-pie?  The CE Magic Practitioner
needed SOME gimmick...

		Josh Geurink, CVE



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Josh Geurink, C.V.E.           | "You got the might (No way!)"
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From: cpearce@nemesis.acs.unt.edu (Chris Pearce)
Subject: Re: Weapon Intimidation
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> A *GodLight* pistol as +9 to intimidation?  I certainly hope not!

No! No!. It would be KEWL! And you could also say that carrying a big gun
helps you RESIST Intimidation, becuase, if you like had a big gun, you'd know
you could like totally obliterate your enemies, so like why even be afraid
of them, dude?

So you could apply the bonus to your Intimidate skill ANY time you
have the gun out, for Intimidating or resisting Intimidation! How KEWL!

> CJW

-- 
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From: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink)
Subject: Re: Tharkoldu Prince vs. The Gaunt Man
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Subject: Re:  Tharkholdu Princes versus the Gaunt Man

In article whocares the Allmighty One, Kansas Jim responds:

>Option 3: reality storm?  Let's see how tough Sterret feels after
>transforming.

Exactly what I was thinking while slogging through this mess...
Some nastiness came to mind, though.  What if Sterret suddenly gains
immunity to normal weapons/magic/whatever the GM is using at the time...
Sure, Sterret can't buy off any more damage -- but he probably won't
TAKE any more damage, either.

With all due respect, the Gaunt Man'd be toast.


I am the terror that flaps over Cairo,
	I am the fudged roll that ruins your day...
		_I_ am DRAMA DUCK!

with an itty-bitty little chance of actually being Josh Geurink, CVE
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From: Rick Jones <albert@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu>
Subject: Re: Gauntman -- he IS dangerous, novels not withstanding
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>knew about the danger of Eternity shards before, so he didn't have any defense 
>prepared -- that trick won't work a second time. In fact, nothing works twice 
>against him -- you have to keep coming up with new things. And you just know,in
>the back of your mind, that there just isn't anything else that will work. And that  
> thought gives you fear. And fear is what he likes. He wants you to come in, and  
> see just how hopeless is really is.

	I am still quite positive that the Big Rock the Ohbi of the Land 
Below is eventually going to reduce the Gaunt Man to his component molecules.
They said that the New Eternity Shard (and the Rock's the only one mentioned)
would alter the course of the P-Wars.   Think about what it's group power 
is.
	Unless of course Mobius gets his hands on it, and uses it to
make and Eternity Bomb of Ludicrious Power.
-- 
Rick Jones				Systems Support Center
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Voice: 713-798-7352			standard disclaimers apply
		Don't flame me because I'm beautiful.
From: oakes@jupiter.nmt.edu (David Oakes)
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Subject: Re: Tharkoldu
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:30:50 GMT
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[carls triples deleted - though i do want breakfast now...]

great idea! perfect monkey trick - got any more...
(this? just a tape recorder and a notepad, dont mind me)

occult AND the horror of war for the price of one - perfect!

now for the really gruesome thought -
race kills prince, kills self to circumvent death chance, what now?
princes dodge of the LoDom (one more chance. please) is sufficient
to ressurect the monkeyboy as well, both continue to fight - forever?
(rationale being that the LoDom doesnt distinguish sucide, and since both
 are dead, the fight was too close to call, so both come back)
why doesnt this happen when someone else kills the killer?
it does, but the LoDom is waiting for the killer to come back
in its Death Chance, but being race (or low deamon), nothing happens -
our dead prince is out of luck...
(wow - reason for the one level of dominance only rule)

dave "death chance fails at the tertiary level" oakes
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From: smooge@jupiter.nmt.edu (the Smooge)
Subject: Re: Archive and GodNet...Good News
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Duuuh doesnt MUSH stand for Mail User SHell... or is it
Mobius's Ultimate SHredder!! or something like that..

Segmentation Fault in Smooge's Brain... Core Dumped.

the Cardinal of the White Tower.

the Smooge
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From: wolf@cheshire.oxy.edu (Clinton Richard Wolf)
Subject: Re: The Land of the Lost...
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:14:58 GMT

In article <gatemail1.0b3221613026505@morticia> aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink) writes:
>
>Saaaaayy... I've been told you folks remember the opening theme to Land
>of the Lost... Presumably came up in discussion over the Land Below...
>
>Could someone pleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease (gets up.  straightens shirt.)
>send me the lyrics?  (blushes.  feels humiliated after his extended groveling)
>
>It'd be a REAL help (I've had that @$#^#@! theme running through my skull on-

 Marsha, Will, and Holly,
 On a routine expedition...
 Met the greatest earthquake,  
 Ever known...

 High on the rapids,
 It swept their tiny raft...
 (scream)
 And plunged them down,
 A thousand feet below...

 To the Land of the Lost...
 (roar)
 (the rest is just running from the Tyrannosur into the cave and such.)

-- Clint, Be proud of your LotL heritage! :)


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From: agreene@mta.ca
Subject: Re: Flintlock
Reply-To: agreene@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:27:40 GMT

In article <gatemail1.0b31718295417810@morticia>, michael@stb.info.com (Michael Gersten) writes:
>>           5.  Why would anyone use a flintlock pistol?
>
>Get with the Genre!  8-)
>
>Actually, I'll leave it for one of our gun experts to answer since I
>don't know enough about flintlocks to argue what use they must have
>somehow....
>---
>Couldn't the Flintlock be set off by heat? I seem to remember a BatMan  
>plot revolving around that (murder myster)
>--
>		Michael Gersten		michael@stb.info.com
>HELLO! I'm a signature virus! Join in the fun and copy me into yours!
>ex:.-1,. w $HOME/.signature

I don't CARE if it can be set off by heat, or explosions, or saurkraut, or
bango drums, or happy pogo sticks!  It's a USELESS weapon.  A bow has a
lower tech axiom, does between (circa) 14 and 18 damage, and it can be used
more than once without spending a round to reload!  A flintlock may not be
widely used in Aysle, but it was supposed to have made armor useless (after the
longbow did, of course).  I'd like to see a flintlock SCRATCH someone in plate
mail (toughness between 13 and 18) without cards and possibilities being sunk
into the action.  It's a WEAPON dammit, not just a minor inconvenience for
those who are hit by it.
     Of course, other pistols (until tech 24) are not much better, either.

--Anthony Greene
-If I was a High Lord, I still wouldn't like cabbage...


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From: agreene@mta.ca
Subject: Re: Quantum Leap of Faith...
Reply-To: agreene@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 15:27:29 GMT

Joshua Henry Geurink theorizes:
>
>
>	Whadda ya say to Project Quantum Leap coming about as a direct
>invocation to SCIENCE...  But instead of *poof* "here's your time-travel
>facility, little boy!", SCIENCE granted one Dr. Samuel Beckett a vision...
>that one could time travel within his own lifetime...
>
>	
>I am the terror that flaps over Cairo
>	I am the plot device that started this show!
>		_I_ am DRAMA DUCK!
>
>	or even possibly Josh Geurink, CVE, but I'm not telling.

	It doesn't work.  Quantum Leap generally has a religious (Christian)
background to it, and there is intervention of an irrational (pardon me,
unscientific) God.  See the Rainmaker episode again (one of my personal
favorites, actually) and you'll see what I mean.  It's a matter of
Sam giving up his faith in what's scientifically probable (or even possible)
and placing hope in an undefinable force that brings about the rainfall
at the end of the episode.

--Anthony Greene
-If yellow pea soup is made of yellow peas,
 Should green ketchup be made of green tomatoes?

>	
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From: Telestro ip Wandrun <"riker: :baileyt"@kirk.msoe.edu>
Subject: Re: Flintlock
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Burton Choinski posts:

> The whole problem we have is that any shmoe that rolls good enough can
> penetrate any armor, be it with a Godbeam or a sling shot.

That's what I like about Torg.  Often in other games, like AD&D, one has 
absolutely no chance to hit someone, but in Torg, there's always the Possibility 
(tm).  

Who says that you can't hit a vital part of kinetic armor with a slingshot?


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