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From: hamlet@milton.u.washington.edu (Mitch McGowan)
Subject: WC 94 Request: Europe 5 results
Summary: request Europe Group 5 results
Keywords: request world cup
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:43:20 GMT

Does anyone have an up-to-date list of results in
Europe Group 5?  If so, please post or email.

Thanks.

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From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: European Cups standings so far (as on September 9)
Date: 10 Sep 1992 07:30:08 -0500
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    Hey! It's meaningless to speak of the current "Big Five" when only a
few teams have actually played! Why not wait until the first round have
been played (i'e' the 1st of October?)

Kent
From: amudn@warwick.ac.uk (Paul Stowe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: LEICESTER VS WOLVES
Date: 14 Sep 92 08:33:55 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK

LEICESTER CITY 0  WOLVERHAMPTON WANDERERS 0

Don't be fooled by the scoreline, this was a brilliant game with lots of 
action.

The star of the day was 19-year-old Russell Hoult who 20 minutes before 
kick-off was eating a hot-dog in the stands!!! Leicester's goal-keeper Carl 
Muggleton injured his back in the pre-match warm-up and so Hoult was suddenly
called into action.

He capped a superb performance with an acrobatic save from an Andy Mutch header
in the final minute of the game, tipping it over the cross-bar.

There was some nice passing moves during the game from both sides, but defence
was definitely on top throughout and some of Leicester's best chances came 
from long-range shots including hitting the woodwork 3 times with shots from
Phil Gee, Bobby Davison and David Oldfield.

On the whole, the draw was a fair result, but it could easily have been 3-3 
instead of 0-0 and Russell Hoult won himself a lot of fans.

                   ----------------------------------
Tomorrow I shall post a match report on Coventry against Spurs as Cov's 
incredible start to the season will bring them a 3-1 win!!

Paul Stowe.
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From: mep@phoenix.oulu.fi (Marko Poutiainen)
Subject: Re: WC qualifier: Finland-Sweden (report)
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:46:17 GMT

> and Finland had this new guy Jari Litmanen. The match started off with

In fact, Litmanen played in that dreadful 6-0 game against Swedes, so he
isn't that new...


> time. Kimmo Tarkkio (ex-Hammarby) went through on a Litmanen pass and was
> taken down by Bjaerred just outside the box. Paatelainen shot just wide.

If the ref had done it by the rules, Bjaerred should have given the red card.
Did you notice that Swartz was almost thorwed out ? He was booked in the 
first half and _ref had the yellow card in his hand on a different situation
but realising that Swartz already had had a warning HE PUT THE CARD AWAY_ !


> touched him, he went down IMHO. And what happens? The Russian referee 
> points at the spot! A gift if you ask me, but we aren't too sticky when _we_ 
> got it :-) Mechelen star "Klabbe" took it and sent it home near the left post

A gift, that's right. After watching the situation a few times I can't help 
admiring Dahlins gifts as an actor. He beats even Klinsmann !
A ref might do mistakes, but that many in an int is a bit too much I think.
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From: archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Subject: Re: Referee's Whistle
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:27:10 GMT


I didn't see David Walsh's response in r.s.s, so, as per his request
I'm posting this for him.  Please send all personal replies, if any,
to David at davidw@autodesk.com.

I slightly formatted it to fit on my 80-char per line window.


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 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 08:14:52 PDT
 From: davidw@autodesk.com (David Walsh)
 Message-Id: <9209021514.AA07697@megalon.YP.acad>
 In-Reply-To: <BtwqE6.5F4@hsi.com>
 References: <2303@shuksan.boeing.com>
 Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito California, USA

Garry,

I had to add my tuppence worth... If this doesn't get to the net, could you
post it for me?? Thanks.

>Mike I don't know about the differences in calls between girls/womens
>and boys/mens games but as far as the other part of your discussion goes,
>yes, I do believe the whistle is used too much in this country.
>
>When I came to the United States in 1980 and started to play football
>here (I was suddenly an "international"!) I was absolutely amazed at
>how referee's would call almost all forms of contact!


I've been playing 'footie' in the Bay area for a couple of years now, and 
I have to agree with Garry - the referees do tend to blow up at anything 
remotely physical. I had a hell of a time getting used to the change - one 
month, I was in the hurly burly of English Saturday afternoon and sunday 
morning football, then I was playing in a 'normal' league and a co-ed team 
here. the referees seem to frown on things that wouldn't merit a moment of 
notice in England - for instance, getting a foot to the ball as your opponent 
goes to shoot; sure, the guy goes up in the air, but the tackle never touched 
his body. Instant whistle. I've now changed my style so that I tackle a lot 
less often - something that my English friends noticed when I played in London 
over Christmas.

My other gripe with (some of) the referees here is that they simply don't 
know the rules properly! Last year I was booked for appealing for offside 
(unsportsmanlike behaviour!!!!), and the year before for kicking the ball 
when it was loose on the ground between a goalkeeper's legs (and it wasn't 
a violent kick...). But they also miss things - pushing when you go to head 
the ball, foul throws, offsides. This sounds very whiney, but I must say that 
it isn't the same for all the referees: some are very good!

Goodness knows how the culprits over here would deal with a Pub League game 
in Britain!

Cheers,
david walsh

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From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Subject: Re: English News: Last Saturday's results
Reply-To: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:41:17 GMT

In article <Bu9qIs.D2t@hsi.com> archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer) writes:
>In article <12735@ecs.soton.ac.uk> tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown) writes:
>
>>Aldershot Town were watched by a crowd of 1,700 - a record for the Diadora
>>League third division - when they beat Horsham 3-2 at the Recreation Ground.
>
>I may have missed something -- or more likely, just plain simply forgot --
>but is the same club that folded from the Football League?  I know its the
>same stadium/ground.  Its probably not the same "team", that is, the same
>players.  Were the old players sold off to help pay debts?  Just curious.
>Anyone?
>
In the legal sense of the word, they're not the "same" team in the
sense that the new Aldershot Town aren't responsible for the debts of
the old Aldershot (note the name change). However, there are
significant connections between the old club and the new so I guess
you can best call it a "reformation". They play on the same ground
(owned by the local council) as the old team, a very small number of
players remain including Steve Wignall who is now the manager, and
some of the people who reformed the club were members of the
Supporters Club of the old team. I doubt, by the way, if the old team
had many players that would have raised much money in the transfer
market given the parlous state the team was in prior to their
financial collapse.

Now, if they win their league for 4 successive seasons, they might be
"back" in the Football League!!

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From: waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach)
Subject: ESPN to show soccer
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 12:57:37 GMT



Ok, now I've got your attention about watching soccer on ESPN. :-)

Everyone who is keen on seeing Wynalda's progress in the Bundesliga please
call them about showing some highlights from the German league.
They could easily show 1 min.  highlights on their Sportscenter show but
with enough calls, we maybe could convince them to broadcast more soccer.
Thanks!

Here's the # for ESPN, (203) 585-5000.

-Dave

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From: archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Subject: Re: Gresley news
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:24:10 GMT

In article <1477.9209111102@thor.cf.ac.uk> scogpw@thor.cf.ac.uk (Gordon Walker) writes:
>In article <Bu9q76.D0A@hsi.com> archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer) writes:
>|
>|Real Soon Now!  (Watch this space...)
>
>Well........this may be closer than you think! How about this quote (as
>accurate as I can remember it) from the latest edition of a certain 
>Shef Wed fanzine......:
>
>"and the main contenders for the Premier League are likely to be one of
>Liverpool, Man Utd, Leeds, Arsenal and Gresley Rovers....."


Exactly what I've been telling everyone for years!  :-)


I just heard (thanks Tim Chown!) that Gresley Rovers beat Newcastle 
Town 1-0 in the FA Cup 1st Qualifying Round.  You may remember they 
had already won in the Prelimary Qualifying Round.

	Lookout Wembley!


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From: agh@athena.mit.edu (Arni G Hauksson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Newcatle United
Keywords: Season 1992-93
Date: 7 Sep 92 02:39:04 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Hey folks.

I'm having a terrible time.  I've always lived in Iceland where we
got good programs with english soccer.  But now I've move to the
U.S. and I'm realy missing some news from my favorite team.  My
older brother was in the University at Newcastle, and therefore
(he gave me this shirt when I was 8) I am adicted to the club.  Could
someone get in touch with me to ceep me up to date for the winter !!

Thanks and com-on you "Gordies",  'Arni  (agh@athena.mit.edu)
From: v087jsfu@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (DANNY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: APSL:  Strikers new owner
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:57:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <hamlet.716493683@milton>, hamlet@milton.u.washington.edu (Mitch McGowan) writes...
>clarinews@clarinet.com (United Press International) writes:
> 
>>Amancio V. Suarez,
>>who already has partial ownership of the NBA's Miami Heat, is the new
I'd also add that this WEALTHY man originally from Cuba
owns the MELLO YELLOW car in NASCAR.  He got his money
from car dealerships.

>>owner of the Fort Lauderdale Strikers of the American Professional
>>Soccer League.
> 
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From: thomase@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Thomas Esamie)
Subject: Australia vs Solomon Islands
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 07:24:16 GMT

	Taken from the Sydney Morning Herald 5th of September:

	Oceania World Cup Qualifying Series

	Australia 2 beat Solomon Islands 1
	Carl Veart 8th min.
				Holesi Vato 83rd min.
	Tom McCulloch 86th min.

	Played at Lawson Tama Stadium, Honiara
	Crowd: c. 15 000
	Referee: Gary Fleet (NZ)

Looks like it was a close run thing, but I have no further details.


		Thomas the Tank Engine
		Assistant Administrator

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From: michal@vsnmc2.cern.ch (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Re: Portuguese results - Round 3
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, Geneva
Distribution: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 11:38:17 GMT

Jorge Alexandre Ribeiro Pinto writes:
>
> (-------------- results of Portuguese league deleted -----------------)
>   
>                  Table :
>                      Sporting.................3

Ola Jorge.  E como e que vai Andrzej Juskowiak em Portugal?
Acho que ele ja deve estar a jogar no Sporting, na~o e?

Saudos.

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From: csp48@keele (J.W. Kirriemuir)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: "Debate" on Liverpool
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:05:03 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

Conclusion number 1 :

People with very strong views, those views being either pro-Liverpool or
anti-Liverpool, are basically illiterate.


Conclusion number 2 : 

The grammar and (limited) vocabulary used would not be enough to pass
English at the lowest GCSE grade.


Conclusion number 3 : 

Structured, rational and reasonable argument are unknown concepts within
this domain of Usenet subscribers.
From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Portuguese final standings for 1991-1992?
Date: 7 Sep 92 16:21:11 GMT
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    Does anyone have it? If so, could you please E-mail me, that would save
me quite some research in France Football (and typing time).

Thanks in advance!

Kent
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From: serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Serdar Boztas)
Subject: Re: Australia: name changes enforced?
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:10:59 GMT

serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Serdar Boztas) writes:

>No offense intended, but how does one see Israel  as the most
>multicultural society in the world?

>This admittedly has little to do with soccer, that's why I did not
>post the question.

I obviously messed up, sorry for the bandwidth, this was intended to
be an e-mail.

Serdar

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From: rcampb@carson.u.washington.edu (Russell Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Prime Sports soccer broadcasts
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:11:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep14.151137.26877
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


Well my local Prime affiliate has begun broadcasting the English Premier
League games and I finally get to see some decent football.  For those in
the Seattle area PSN shows these matches at 7am Saturday mornings and
usually again sometime later in the week (first week the second broadcast
of the game of the week was at 9pm on the Thursday night - prime time!). 
They've also begun broadcasting women's collegiate soccer.  Check your
local Prime Sports affiliate's listings for times and days.

I got up this past Saturday & settled down with the remote, a cup of tea,
and a pair of hot, toasted crumpets and was treated to a wonderfull match
between Tottenham and Everton.  Thoroughly enjoyable.  Big kudos to Prime
for showing these games.  If you watch any soccer broadcasts and enjoy
them please call the companies and let them know so the broadcasts will
continue.  I plan on calling PSN this morning when their local affiliate's
offices open.  It's finally beginning to feel like maybe I don't live in a
wasteland any more.  Then again maybe I'm just dreaming?

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Subject: Re: Scottish Results 12th Sept 92
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:36:23 +0000







In article <1992Sep13.213632.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> caar14@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
(Ronnie ???) writes:

>Raith Rovers          2   5,53
>Greenock Morton       1   4
>Att:2,613

What's with the "Greenock", as far as I know it's never been part of
Morton's name.

>Highland League
>- ---------------
>Caledonian   3-1 Huntly         Cove Rangers 2-1 Forres Mechs
>Elgin City   1-3 Brora Rangers  Fort William 3-1 Nairn
>Inverness Th 3-2 Keith          Lossiemouth  7-2 Rothes
>Peterhead    0-0 Clachnacuddin  Ross County  4-2 Devernvale
>
>             Pl  W  D  L   F  A Pt
>Cove Rangers  7  6  0  1  18  6 18
>Devernvale    7  6  0  1  19  7 18
>Ross County   7  6  0  1  21 13 18
>Caledonian    7  5  2  0  17  7 17
>Lossiemouth   7  5  0  2  27 12 15
>Elgin City    7  4  1  2  27 11 13
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thanks for posting the Highland tables, keep it up!
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Subject: Re: Old league tables wanted
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:36:18 +0000







In article <1992Sep14.113401.13842@alf.uib.no> s009@brems.ii.uib.no
(Arne Rivenes) writes:

>I wonder if someone got the final standings for the seasons 1889/90 to
>1899/1900.

Yes, but not to hand ... will post at a later date.

>I also wonder about the promotion system from lower leagues to GM Vauxhall.

GMVC relegates three clubs to it's feeder leagues, Diadora (Isthmian),
Beazer Homes (Southern) and HFS Loans (Northern Premier). Each of these 
leagues promotes one club to the Conference providing their ground is up
to standard.

Diadora has 4 divisions (Premier, 1, 2 and 3). Bottom 2 clubs of
Div 3 drop into one of about 5 regional feeder leagues.

Beazer Homes has Premier Division, Southern and Midland Divisions, four are
relegated from Premier to regional divisions, with two up from each division.
Bottom two of regional divisions drop into one of around nine regional leagues.

HFS Loans has Premier and Division One with two up-two down promotion/
relegation. Beneath HFS Loans is North West Counties, Northern Counties (East)
and Northern League, champions of these are promoted to HFS Loans with
presumably three clubs moving in the opposite direction, although to date
no-one has ever been relegated due to clubs dropping out. Northen League is the
senior league in a North East mini-pyramid with automatic promotion and
relegation, the other two leagues have regional feeders but promotion and
relegation is not automatic.

Progress through the pyramid is heavily dependent on having suitable facilities,

clubs are frequently denied promotion or even relegated due to inferior
facilities.

>Finaly I'm interested in Manchester United's results in FA-cup over the seasons
.
>How far did they get (I know their victories) and who knocked them out?
> PS How did Accrington Stanley do in 1.qualifing round in the FA-cup?

They followed up Monday night's 6-2 league win at Hyde United with a 5-1
demolition of the same side, again at Hyde.

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From: shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: naming trivia quiz
Date: 10 Sep 1992 17:20:23 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Fernando De Napoli, the last I heard, was transferred from Napoli
to Milan this summer.  I don't know if he is playing or not for AC, however.
,
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From: collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins)
Subject: Re: Graeme Souness
Organization: Philips Research Laboratories Eindhoven, Netherlands
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 09:08:01 GMT

In <1992Sep11.160305.28865@cco.caltech.edu> christos@cco.caltech.edu (Christos S. Christoforou) writes:
>>Someone called Beardsley seems to be doing quite well across the park ...
>>mistake number 3?
>>

>I agree. Why on earth did they ever let Beardsley go???

Beardsley was not doing well at Liverpool and that started long before
Souness arrived, under Dalglish Beardsley was often dropped or on the
subs bench.

It isn't the first time (and it won't be the last) that a transfer has given
a player a new lease of life.
At the time Souness needed cash to rebuild the team and was offered 1 million 
for a 30 year old ex-international.

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