From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Good Bye Mr. Bush
Date: 5 Nov 1992 06:08:39 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
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>|> 
>|> 	Kuch'h baatay'n, kuch'h yaaday'n
>|> 	=================================
>|> 
>|> 
>|> 	As of 9:00 EST, it seems like we may have to say 
>|> 	Good bye to Mr. Bush and welcome Mr. Clinton.
>|> 	So far, there has been no news of any trouble,
>|> 	laathi charge, election related murders, Aansoo Gas,
>|> 	or curfew. This was no fun! Let us wait to find out
>|> 	if Bush will claim vote rigging as the main reason for
>|> 	his likely defeat.

	Well, after typing this article last night, and getting pissed
	off by thinking of the shitty state of affairs in Pakistan,
	whether it is army, Navaz, or Bhutto-family, I decided to get
	out and cool down a bit. It was about 11 at night. Cleveland's
	weather was not too bad. Pretty much Khushgavaar. My little 'P'
	came in handy. I got into it and drove down the hill. Nothing
	much was happenning on-campus. No firing, no patakhaas.
	Then I drove on Overlook Rd. to Kennil worth, and while driving
	in the Aqb of LakeView Cemetery I was thinking of the two 
	past U.S. presidents buried in this cemetery. Then I got to the
	famous Coventry and its Coffee Shop, Arabica. It was closed.
	Then I drove down the Cedar Hill towards downtown. 4 miles
	from my place. Old historic Public Square with its decades old
	Terminal Tower, Modern BP America building, and brand new 
	Society Bank Headquarters was as quite as the Sheher-e-Khamooshaa'n
	of Lakeview. Finally, I drove to Flats( Cleveland's Party  Area).
	On the Eastern Bank of the Cuyahoga River, all the bars and nightclubs
	were dead. So, I went to the West Bank. Well, I finally found something.
	Democrats were having a victory party in Slam Jam( or was it Grand Slam)        bar in the historic and renovated Power House building.
	Atleast someone was celebrating. We watched Bill Clintons victory
	speech live in the bar. Local Channel 5 was broadcasting live.
	Will scp readers in other cities which are more exciting, like
	to tell us what happened in their places after the Clinton Victory.

>|> 		This reminds me of the elections in Pakistan.
>|> 	I wonder why , because there is nothing common between the
>|> 	two.  Atleast we have some ghoonda gardi in pakistan during
>|> 	elections.
>|> 		I vaguely remember Pakistani elections of 1970.
>|> 	Bhutto had his talvaar which he later used to kill the 
>|> 	United Pakistan. Main naaraa was "Bhutto Aa geyaa maidan
>|> 	may, ho jamalo".  Jamatis were distributing their 
>|> 	God Damn Taraazoo.  I find Jamatis responsible for
>|> 	having shit heads like Bhutto and her daughter in the Govt.
>|> 	Why? In their desperate attempt to avoid Jamatis, people
>|> 	end up choosing bhutto family.  Naa rehay gee jamat, naa
>|> 	jeetay gee bhutto family. Jamat Islami and PPP are both
>|> 	anti democratic and anti Pakistan. One uses Islam kaa Purdah,
>|> 	other uses socialism kaa pyjama. 
>|> 	What else was funny about 1970 elections was every body
>|> 	labeling Mujeeb-ur-Rahman a "Ghadaar". Too bad, Pakistanis
>|> 	did not realize the Bhutto-Jamati propoganda. Mujib
>|> 	was a winner and should have become the Prime Minister of Pakistan.
>|> 	
>|> 	Then I remember 1977 election.  I guess Bhutto got 99%  votes                   or something like that. Baimani kee bhee hud hoti hae!
>|> 	But who was on the other side. Bunch of same old idiots.
>|> 	Asghar Khan, Noorani Mian, Jamatis, etc.
>|> 	I remember a naaraa I heard in those days.
>|> 	"Nusrat Bhutto, Avaam kee Kut-toe"
>|> 
>|> 	On the election day, I went to a maidan close to the Voting
>|> 	Center. I still remember my friends Butt Saab and chotay Qidwai
>|> 	were with me. We could not vote, but were enjoying
>|> 	the scene. Suddenly we saw our other neighbor Zargham bhai
>|> 	(bhai because he was older than us, not because we were 
>|> 	 jamatis, tablighis, or ABCDs( say Br. Zargham :-) )
>|> 	When we saw him coming out of the voting station, we were all
>|> 	surprised. Not only he had voted, he was going to his house
>|> 	to clean the ink-mark on his angoothaa or something so he could
>|> 	come back and vote again. He was not of voting age, but
>|> 	he voted thrice. jenaab essay democracy kehtay hai'n.
>|> 	
>|> 	Then there was this rumor in the maidan that Pyar Ali Alana
>|> 	was coming to the voting station. He had run as an independent
>|> 	from our area in 1970, but this time he was bhutto kaa bendah.
>|> 	I wonder why this intelligent son of famous Mr. G. Alana
>|> 	got into PPP. 
>|> 	And then we heard that someone had snatched the saaree off
>|> 	Mrs. Alana's body. This was probably a rumor spread by 
>|> 	bhutto party against nau sitaarays.
>|> 	Years later, I was wondering if Mrs. Alana ever wore saaree
>|> 	in her life? This reminds me of Begum Vali Khan's Underwear story.
>|> 	We do have fun stuff in Pakistan.
>|> 	After the saaree incidence, I started feeling aankhon may jelan,
>|> 	and Butt Saab being more experienced in such situations
>|> 	started shouting "Bhago, Bhago... Anasoo Gas".
>|> 	These elections were followed by big time phuddaa which
>|> 	ran for months before Jiaulhaq :-) took over.
>|> 	Jiaulhaq was not the first dictator Pakistan Had. 
>|> 	Ayub Khan, the first one was a roshnee kaa meenaar for him
>|> 	and for all future dictators Pakistan will have.
>|> 	I hold ayub responsible for most of Pakistans past, present,
>|> 	and future problems. He was the first one to believe that he
>|> 	had the God given right to rule Pakistan. Why is he responsible
>|> 	for future problems. Well, his son Gauhar Ayub is trying to 
>|> 	become Pakistan's President after Kaaka Ishaq( another crook) 
>|> 	retires.  Is it not true that Ayub Khan is responsible 
>|> 	for Gauhar Ayub. Thanks to the week memory
>|> 	of people of Hazara( or where ever these guys come from),
>|> 	who have forgotten Crores of Rupees Gauhar Ayub collected
>|> 	as Rishvats during Ayubs time. Also, I wonder how did 
>|> 	he make 20 Crores which he lost in Punjab Cooperative Fraud recently.
>|> 	Gauhar Ayub is also responsible for the first ever ethnic
>|> 	riots in Pakistan. He not only organized the riot, but 
>|> 	lead the attack. No wonder the first ever politcal naaraa
>|> 	I remember hearing in Karachi was "Ayub kuttaa hai hai".
>|> 	Seems like Pakistan kee hukoomat inhee kutto'n kay haath
>|> 	may rehay gee.
>|> 
>|> 	1977 elections were the last one I saw in  Pakistan.
>|> 	I will like to know what happened during more recent elections.
>|> 
>|> 
>|> Mansoor Khan
>|> Cleveland.
>|> 

>Dear Mansoor,
>I completely agree with what you have said and I would like to
>commend you on your excellent oration.It is indeed an unfortunate
>fact that Pakistani govt. has been nothing but a cruel joke for
>the Pakistani masses.
	Not only a joke, but a solid tamaanchaa on the face of
everyone who has any sense.
	I read few responses to my article. Mr. Muk-khee of
good ole Lahore, did not get the Joke about Jia. Okay, it should
be Zia. Mr. Nadeem Jamali is so full of Ta'asoob-shit just like
his friends Mr. Javed Iqbal[ who used to post from Turkey] and Some Rahim
from South Africa. These guys will assign race to elements in periodic table.
One Mr. Altaf Qadir of the Land Down Under got scared that it may create 
trouble on the net. I dont think we should get sharmindah at discussing
the credentials of our future President Mr. Gauhar Ayub or one of our
future primeminister Mr. Shahnavaz Bhutto.  Their supporters should not
worry about washing dirty chaddors of these people in public. Has it
affected Navaz Sharif or Benazir or other people we have in the Govt.
I mean Mr. Navaz Sharif Borrowed Billions of Rupees from State owned
banks during Zia's time and never returned a penny. Same goes 
for Shujjat Hussain. I mean what do these God Damn guys think. IS 
Pakistanis' money some kind of maal-e-ghanemat for these
thiefs to clean their hands on( ref. haath saaf kernaa!).
I fail to understand why will someone vote for these thiefs.
BB is another screwed up case. She and her duppatta makes me sick.
especially when one thinks of an interview in which she mentioned
that pre-marital sex is fine with her. And now in that 20 Guz  stupid
duppata. No work experience, no business experience, no political
office experience, none what so  ever, and this B**** became Primeminister
of PAkistan. And on top of all that she married the Crook of Crooks.
While She was the Primeminister of Pakistan, her husband was attending
parties with her Japanese girl friend. I mean she could not keep her
house in shape and thought she could rule Pakistan.
	I want to ask Pakistanis all over the world  how do they feel
about people like BB and Navaz getting into Govt.  How will
they feel If Gauhar Ayub becomes Pakistan's President after Ishaq Khan
retires. Will it be all right if Khufyaa Haath brings Shahnavaz into
Pakistan, just like it brought Benazir few years ago. And we may very
well have Shahnavaz Bhutto as a Prime Minister under Gauhar Ayub.
People say that History repeats itself. But in case of Pakistan,
only bad history repeats itself. Ayub Khan and Bhutto Sr. screwed
Pakistan 25 years ago. Their off springs will do it pretty soon.
God knows when Pakistan will get rid of chore-uchakkas and
lafangas and lafangees.
 
>Jiaulhaq came with a promise that he will not stay for more than
>90 days and the army will return to the barracks after holding a
>"free and fair" election and a peaceful transfer of powers to the
>elected govt.As we all know it now the 90 days never came and the
>promise was never fulfilled.During the first few years Jia prosecuted
>the politicians and opened a reign of terror for them.He was having
>the complete support of Jamaat and Jiaulhaq was "mard-e-momin ,
	It was not only Jamat. People like Asgha Khan, Jatoi,
and Others were all with him. These theifs are shameless.


>mard-e-haq".When Jia decide to hold elections it was on non-party
>basis and it was after 8 years (more than 90 months and not 90 days)
>The reason for the delay was simple he wanted to cleanse the Pakista
>ni politics of "corrupt Politicians" who are "power hungry"!The 
>elections were nothing but a farce and another joke to Pakistan.
>The elections were being fought on individual basis therefore only
>the local issues,if any,were addressed by the landlords who had the
>means to run the elections.With the election over and assemblies 
>formed the process of running the assemblies required parties,this
>was quickly and willingly done by the unrepresentative assemblies
>with the aid of Jiaulhaq and his key advisors and of course some
>tax-payers' money.
>Jia was not such a fool as he appeared to be.Before the elections
>he held a referendum in which the question was "Do you support the
>govt on the issues of Islamisation?".By the context of the question
>it is evident who were behind the scene friends of Jiaulhaq.Answering 
>this question in yes meannt that people of Pakistan have chosen
>Jiaulhaq as the Presiden for 5 years.The first legislation which
>Jiaulhaq's handpicked assembly passed was to ammend the constitution
>and mentioned him in name as the President of Pakistan till 1990.
>Thus he became the only dictator in the history of the world to be
>mentioned by name in the constitution.
	And how about Mr. Ayub Khan Declaring himself Field Marshal.
	

>Janenajo became the next PM of the country which now had a Presidenti
>tial form of govt.He as the name suggests,was a "simple" man and
>did not try to ruin the country further.He was thrown out by his 
	I think Muhammad Khan Junejo was a very sharif person. I like
him for some reason. But even he had to rely on thiefs and robbers
to run his govt. Ghaus ALi Shah was made C.M. of Sindh. This
guy was later blamed for being involved in finance company scandal
in Karachi. He was also resposible for mess up during operation clean up
and bloody riots in Karachi after that. Well, so what happened. Did 
Mr. Ghaus ali Shah retire from politics due to any kind of sharmindagee
if not anything else. Nope, he is Pakistan's Defence Minister. 
I think one has to pass all the stages of bayimani, ghunda gardi ,
and chore-bazari to climb the political ladder in Pakistan.


>mentor in 1988 charging his govt as corrupt and inefficient.There
>was another promise fo election within 90 days and this time death
>didn't give him time to back off.For the first time in the history
>of the nation free and fair elections were held.The credit for this
>goes to no one else but Gen. Mirza Aslam Baig ,the then COAS,who
 	Nothing against Mr. Baig, but 1970 elections held under
	Yoyo Khan are considered to be pretty fair.
	But you are right, Gen. Baig should get credit for
	not trying to get the power.

>instead of grabing power decided that it should be the people who
>should have it and after more than a decade took the army back to
>the barracks.
>I'll try to post you with the post 1988 scenario sometime later, Ia
	Please do so.
>am getting late for my class.

>MUBASHIR RIZVI.

Mansoor Khan
Cleveland