HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: small questions
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:27:56 GMT

In article <NTPBPB9w164w@berry.Cary.NC.US> pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:
>schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>
>> >Also, I just downloaded a small .VOC file which was a TNG quote in which
>> >Picard says "Did she not even bother to pick up ONE PIECE OF TRASH?".
>> >Which episode did he say this and to what reference?
>> 
>> That's a good question.  I remember that quote, too.  Unfortunately, I
>> couldn't tell you where it came from.
>
>"Devil's Due".  He was asking whether Ardra had actually played any
>active role in the cleanup of Ventax 2's environment, which she hadn't.

Ahh, thank you, Pat.  I was starting to think that I had confused this
line with Betty Davis saying "what a _dump_!"


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From: noel@umbc1.umbc.edu
Subject: A silly Top 10 List
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:30:08 GMT

	From teh home office in Arbutus Maryland, we bring you

TOP 10 RECYCLED PLOT ELEMENTS IN "TIME'S ARROW"

10.  Data playing poker

9.  people being out of phase with everyone else

8.  Visitng San Fransisco in the past

7.  Using Data as equipment

6.  Picard wanting to rush out and solve a mystery

5.  Displaying Data's ddetatched head for dramaitc effect

4.  Picard and Guinan having one of those conversations we are all clueless
    about

3.  The Enterprise being summoned to Starfleet Academy

2.  The idea that somone in the crew is dead when they are not

and the number one recycled plot element is

1.  A two-part cliffhanger that drives you nuts all summer

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From: mgelman@cyclades.ma30.bull.com (Michael A. Gelman)
Subject: Re: Holodeck sex (was  Re: DEEP SPACE 9!! UGH!!!)
Reply-To: mgelman@cyclades.ma30.bull.com (Michael A. Gelman)
Organization: Bull HN Informations Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:58:32 GMT

What I can't understand is why a person engaging in these sort of things
doesn't just program the holodeck to shut off if someone else tries to
come in?

Yeesh, these are the best and brightest of the future, and they can't even
remember that.

(Yes, yes, I know.  It's a *gasp* plot device!)

-- Mike Gelman
-- Cookie Monster Cubicle Sharer at Large
From: nf0a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Nathan W. Fullerton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE 9!! UGH!!!
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:44:27 GMT
	<5499@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


From everything I've seen about Deep Space 9, it looks like it's going
to be a view into the darker side of the 24th century -- our perky
Starfleet heroes (and their moral codes) are going to be _very_ out of
place on the DS9 station.  I'm sure the producers will have the
Starfleet types show adequate disgust towards "uncivilized" and/or
"barbaric" things like brothels and drugs and any other "unacceptable"
things.

Personally, I'm looking forward to a kind of street-wise Star Trek. 
Everything in TNG is so clean and pure; call me a cynic, but I doubt
that the human race will ever be as upstanding as the TNG crew.  I'd
like to see them face the challenge of a barbaric environment that
they're basically powerless to change.

I applaud the producers for taking the risk of throwing in a whorehouse,
I think it's a realistic use of the holodeck technology and I can't
believe that people aren't abusing holodecks in this way all the time. 
The Ferengi are just making a profit off it.

Nathan
===============================================================
We will drink from the same well and walk the same line
We will open our eyes and no longer be blind
And forgiveness will conquer this axe that we grind
We will throw down our crutches and leave all our silly fears behind
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From: ottoh3@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Otto Heuer #3)
Subject: TREK RATE results (MOVIES)
To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Posted-Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 00: 02:10 cdt
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 05:02:10 GMT
Received-Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 00: 01:50 CDT

This is one of seven periodic postings for ratings of Star Trek in all flavors:

TREK RATE ballot           - for sending in your votes!
TREK RATE results (TAS)    - what the USENET community thought of TAS eps
TREK RATE results (DS9)    - what the USENET community thought of DS9 eps
TREK RATE results (BOOKS)  - what the USENET community thought of the novels
TREK RATE results (MOVIES) - what the USENET community thought of the movies
TREK RATE results (TNG)    - what the USENET community thought of TNG eps
TREK RATE results (TOS)    - what the USENET community thought of TOS eps
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The first is the ballot for sending in your votes (see it for details).
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The last five postings contain the average rating for  each episode, movie,
book, etc.  according to the Usenet population.  It is  useful for deciding
which books to read (weed out the one that NO one enjoyed), what episode of
TNG people thought was the best (or worst), etc.

In the list below, RATE is the average rating on a scale of 0 to  1, NUM is
the number of votes  in the  database, and  EPISODE NAME  is (surprise) the
episode name with type  (A=TAS B=book D=DS9 M=movie N=TNG O=TOS)  in paren-
thesis.



 RATE NUM                     EPISODE NAME
----- --- ------------------------------------------------------------
0.312  78 STAR TREK V:  THE FINAL FRONTIER (M) 
0.493  81 STAR TREK:  THE MOTION PICTURE (M) 
0.646  79 STAR TREK III:  THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK (M) 
0.765  82 STAR TREK IV:  THE VOYAGE HOME (M) 
0.807  47 STAR TREK VI:  THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY (M) 
0.876  79 STAR TREK II:  THE WRATH OF KHAN (M) 
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From: smeyer@panix.com (Seth Meyer)
Subject: I need Hologram Cards from the Inag. Set
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:08:02 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC


I bought one box of cards and they only sent one hologram!!  Anyone
have any extras or willing to trade for other cards?  Thanks.

- Seth
From: umlippen@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Rick Lippens)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: ST-TOS 25th Anniv. Game
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:46:31 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

In <1992Aug12.180805.9632@ncsu.edu> rtwall@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD TODD WALL) writes:



>	What key do you hit to get a display of the damage done to your 
>opponent's ship???  I got it once but couldn't do it again.

>	Thanks....

>	rtwall@eos.ncsu.edu
>		&
>	todd@beretta.bacchus.org

Type 'a'.  Don't you have the manuals?

PIRATES!!!

See you in jail...!!!
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From: jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley)
Subject: Re: Vulcan names and canon
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:11:29 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

gooseman@news.uwyo.edu writes:
>     About the novels being canon......well, Pramount closely screens all of
>the novels that come out to make sure they don't conflict with the Lords that
>Be....I have a hardcopy of their guidelines as posted to one of these boards
>and the are quite extensive. I would suggest to you that because of these 
>guidelines, most of the material in the books can be considered safe, if not
>canon.

Paramount has already stated specifically that the novels -- even
those written by Gene Roddenberry -- are not canon, despite the
rigorous examination they must undergo at the hands of the licensors.

The difference between approved/licensed material and canon, IMHO, is
that Paramount attempts to be technically and dramatically consistent
with what it considers to be canon, but does not attempt to harmonize
with or build on the establishments of its licensed material (e.g.,
novels).

So the guidelines against which these novels are measured are just to
keep them in line with the exceptionally narrow range of ideas which
the Paramount creative minds have conjured up for Star Trek.  They
don't want you to kill off major characters, radically change them,
and so forth.

But on the other hand, they have absolutely no incorporating the ideas
of novel-writers into their own body of Trek literature.  All they
care is that the book make lots of money for them, promote Star Trek
by displaying Trek images in the bookstore, and not muck up their
little universe.

So the novels are safe in that Paramount has let them pass their
specifications, but they are not canon -- don't expect things from
novels to show up as part of the television or motion picture
universe.
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Department of Computer Science  +---------------------------------------
Univ. of Utah, Salt Lake City   | <insert snappy quote here>
From: tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Timescales : TOS & TNG ??
Date: 15 Aug 92 05:05:53 GMT
Organization: Ailanthus Project

ccspjs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Pete J Suters) writes:

> 
>   This is almost certainly a FAQ, but how many years after TOS (or
> the movies) is TNG set?.  It's got to be well over 22 years, as the 
> Enterprise C featured in Yesterday's Enterprise, and there is
> still the Galaxy Class Enterprise B to take into consideration.
>   Either the 1701-B didn't last long, or it had to be a fair number
> of years between the two series.
> 
> 
> pete j suters ---- bath university ---- email: p.j.suters@uk.ac.swurcc 
>  ___  ___    /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> |___)   |   /  "I've got this new girlfriend.  She's like a fine wine.
> |       |  / She's covered in dust and lives in a cellar" -- A.Sayle 
>      (_/  /=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

I plan on posting my larger timeline again sometime this month, but here 
is short version:

2270 Star Trek: The Original Series
2285 Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
2297 Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
2344 Enterprise C destroyed
2364 Star Trek: The Next Generation

..........
Robert Oliver, tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com
via Ailanthus Project +1 207-989-6562 - Brewer, Maine.
..........
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From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Number One
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:29:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.110811.9428@gserv1.dl.ac.uk>, atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell,G2,3123,homephone) writes:
> Greetings 
> 
> The BBC are showing the original ST pilot "The Cage" for the first time
> prior to the showing the TOS again for the millionth time, I've seen
> "The Cage" on video and I've also seen "The Menagerie" which contains bits of
> "The Cage" more times than I've had hot dinners (local saying). Capt. Pike's
> first officer is called Number One, she has no other name, and she is credited
> as being played by M.Leigh Hudec. However, she looks like Majel Barret 
> (Nurse/Dr Chapel, Mrs Troi, Mrs Gene Roddenberry), the BBC "Radio Times"
> says its Majel. 
> Why was Number One not credited as Majel then in "The Cage"?
> 
> any ideas
> 
> 
> tony bell                 ! keep on running                
> serc daresbury laboratory ! live long and prosper
>             atb@uk.ac.daresbury.gserv1


Because she wasn't using the name Majel Barrett yet.  M. Leigh Hudek is
probably her *real*  name

Kellie Matthews-Simmons
internet::matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
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From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig)
Subject: Re: That which makes a fan cringe
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 03:48:26 GMT
Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco

In article <g92n3258.7.713816420@giraffe.ru.ac.za> g92n3258@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR RL NICOL) writes:
>TOP TEN THINGS THAT MAKE A FAN CRINGE:
>
>5.	Scotty and McCoy's A-okay attitude to giving the guy the formula for 
>	the Transparent Aluminum in ST IV - The Voyage Home.  Talk about 
>	altering the future!

As Scotty said: "How do we know he didn't invent the stuff?"  He
didn't remember who invented transparent aluminum, so as far as he
knew, he could have been just playing out his part in history.  I
know, kinda thin ;), but I'll accept it.

>4.	AND bouncing Gillian back to the future with them to look after her "
>	kiddies".  And they didn't want to risk sending Captain Christopher 
>	back in "Tomorrow is Yesterday" because he merely saw the 
>	Transporter room!

I think bringing people into the future is okay; after all, Gillian
said she didn't have any ties to 1986.  The problem with Christopher
is that putting him back would have let him bring back too much
information about the future, information that he shouldn't have had
(as opposed to the transparent aluminum issue, which is information
that logically could have been discovered at that time).

>2.	Kirk's way of getting thru the Koyabayushi Maru.  If you cheated in 
>	an exam by changing the paper, would you get a commendation for 
>	original thinking?

Here's a modern-day example that's similar: At Berkeley, or whatever
school Richard Feynman taught at, one physics course used his notes,
affectionately known as "the Feynman".  So one mid-term exam told the
students that they may use "their calculators and Feynman".  An
enterprising student decided to take the rules literally, so he
grabbed his exam and ran across the campus to Feynman's office, and
showed the physicist the instructions on his exam.  Feynman agreed
that he was an allowed resource, and so he helped the student get an A
on the exam.

I believe the university let the student's exam paper remain valid,
because (1) discussing physics with Richard Feynman can't help but be
educational, and (2) if the famous Feynman decided that the student
acted within the rules, how could the university contradict him
without looking bad?  ;)

     << Brian >>

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From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: The Cage
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 00:24:58 EDT
Organization: Berry Communications

cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd) writes:

> But I thought that Jeffrey Hunter played Capt. Pike in "The Menagerie"
> as well.  Is this not so?

Only in recycled footage from "The Cage".  The crippled Pike in the new
scenes was played by Sean Kenney.

-- 
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pat@berry.Cary.NC.US                    |  "He Probably Won't Use
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From: jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley)
Subject: Re: Klingon howl
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:08:56 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo) writes:
>Greetings!! I was just watching STVI:TUC and just noticed that no one howled
>when Chancelor Gorkon died, like they did in TNG episodes "Heart of Glory"
>and "Reunion".  Why?  Does anyone have an answer or some idea? :+)

The novelization offers an interesting explanation for this.  J.M.
Dillard postulates the existence of a minority warrior class in
Klingon society.  Reminiscent of South African apartheid, this
minority held power for a very long time.

Chancellor Gorkon and his family were part of the non-violent
majority.  They viewed the warrior class as a detrimental influence
which needed to be subdued in order for their society to survive.
This adds credence to the conflict between Chang (obviously a member
of the warrior class) and Gorkon.

Anyway, when Gorkon died, the novelization narrates that Kerla and the
other warriors present were about to howl but Gorkon's daughter
Azetbur forbade them.  The howl is to warn those in the afterlife that
a warrior was about to join them, and she did not consider her father
a warrior.

It is likely that this scene was in the original script, but it might
have destroyed the pacing to explain the purpose of the howl and the
reasons why it shouldn't be done.
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From: mikes@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Sherman)
Subject: What I'd do with the Power of the Q
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:53:10 GMT

Such absolute power would corrupt me absolutely. And I'd be a 
much more miserable soul in the end than I am today.
Couldn't I just hit the lottery?

Xref: sparky rec.arts.startrek.misc:8425 rec.arts.startrek.fandom:1296
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Subject: Re: *** Help me think up a good Star Trek license plate!
From: rivera@husc8.harvard.edu (Francisco Rivera)
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:17:05 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Aug21.173844.12687@medtron.medtronic.com> tp0001@srilanka (Terry Pinotti) writes:
>I am not a real trekkie. Never been to a star trek convention. I got
>it. Although it should be WNMHGB4. ;-).
                         ^^^^^^^^

No, now it is WNOHGB4, remember, this is the new PC ST:TNG.
(all these initials are getting to me...8)


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From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: What would you do with the power of the Q ?
Keywords: The Q,continum,The Force
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:05:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


	What would *I* do?

I'd create some really GOOD writers for ST:TNG......  :-)

Duane
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From: phk@aristotle.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Pieter Kallemeyn)
Subject: Whare can I get all 120 ST-TNG Cards at once?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech
	
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:15:38 GMT

E-mail please, since I don't read the news that much.  Thanks in advance!

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Jet Propulsion Laboratory            |          - or - 
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From: medic@milton.u.washington.edu (Travis Lauricella)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Bar Trek (TNG)
Keywords: bar trek star drinking
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:16:40 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

bdombrow@triton.unm.edu (brent m 92jun08 dombrowski) writes:
[Regarding our favorite ensign]

>        :  Has his life threatened and he dies           : Party like it's
>        :                                                :       1999!

Don't we wish....

[Rest of drinking game deleted]

I played this last night with a two-liter bottle of Coke (to find out just how
appealing this game could be.  And I nearly finished it off.

Alexander is on my hit list.  His repeated brattiness and saying "Ha!" must
have emptied at _least_ two glasses.  

Gotta try this with beer next...


J. Travis Lauricella (The Medic)| In the 1500's, we called it witchcraft.
<medic@u.washington.edu>        | In the 1900's, we called it Murphy's Law.
                                | In the 2300's, we call them dechyons.
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From: mcohen@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Crossovers (not more!): All My Children
Organization: Clark University
Date: 17 AUG 92 01:42:03 GMT

I've seen lots of crossover notes here.  L.A. Law, Cheers, etc, etc.  Here's 
one I ran across on Prodigy a few months ago.  I'll paste the message in 
verbatim, as I don't want to screw up names and such.  I know NOTHING about 
soap operas.  But I did find the list humorous.

	PRODIGY(R) interactive personal service        04/07/92        7:22 PM
         ARTS CLUB
	TOPIC:   SCIENCE FICTION
	TIME:    04/03 11:28 AM
	TO:      ALL
	FROM:    LINDA JENKINS   (RHPV23A)
	SUBJECT: ST:TNG EX-AMC ACTORS

	I ask you All My Children fans out there-- is the 24th
	century the next step???  I've probly missed someone, but my
	count for ex-AMC actors to show up on ST:TNG are (using the
	AMC roles, since I don't remember all the actors' names):
	1st there was Erica's father, in the episode where the son &
	daughter of the leaders of warring planets wanted to be
	married; then Mark Dalton, as an e.t. who, in the end of the
	episode, transformed into a beam of golden light; then
	recently, Emily Ann had a broken shoulder in the opening and
	was treated by Dr. Beverly; and now the next episode (4/4)
	has the Charley Brent who was in love with Julie but went
	off to Stanford. Guess he traveled even further!  As I said,
	I think there was still one more, but am not sure.  Is there
	a connection here, what with Jonathan Frakes being married
	to Genie Francis???   Am I the only one who is finding these
	choices of guest stars amusing??!!
	TO:      LINDA JENKINS   (RHPV23A)
	FROM:    TIMOTHY BUTLER   (RWHG48A)
	SUBJECT: ST:TNG EX-AMC ACTORS

	Linda,
	You missed the guy who played Alex Hunter, Jeremy's father.
	He appeared as Riker's father in the episode "The Icarus
	Factor" from the second season.

Enjoy.

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