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From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: Re: PADS software
Keywords: PADS schematics
Date: 1 Sep 92 10:56:18 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

rbhardin@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Ron Harding) writes:

>In article <1992Aug28.205445.16138@news.dfrf.nasa.gov> disbrow@skipper.dfrf.nasa.gov writes:
>>I just got the PADS-PCB and PADS-Logic and associated libs off
>>some FTP site.  Problem is it won't install.  Seems it needs to
>>be installed from a floppy, but I get an error message something
>>like "Can't find file, maybe not in your path".  Has anyone had
>>any similar problems?  It doesn't tell me which file it can't find.
>>Any help will be much appreciated.

>I had the same problem.  When you unpack the archives, you must use the
>option that tells the archiver to create directories.  "-d" or something
>like that.  They really should document this better, and they really should
>provide a more meaningful error message.

Phew! ...and I thought I was the only one with this problem. I even tried
creating the directories by hand to no avail.
From what I remember, PINSTALL was an .EXE file which unpacked all the PADS
software and PINSTALL and all it's associated files was 'zipped' up in turn.
Should I have typed:
PINSTALL -d  ??

or should I have unzipped them using UNZIP -d  then just run PINSTALL?

Dave

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Newsgroups: sci.electronics,misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Electrolytic capacitors for cheap
From: jemenake@zeus.calpoly.edu (Joe Emenaker)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 00:24:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

I've come into possession of quite a lot of capacitors and wanted to come
back OUT of possession of them.... for a fee. They're all electrolytic caps
that I've listed here. I also have some polyprop, mylar, monolythic, and
ceramic caps if anyone's interested.

Cap.    V       Qty.    Our       DigiKey
                avail. price    100pc price
-------------------------------------------------
Axial packages
 100uF  25V     ~15000  .15/ea    .28/ea
 100uF  50V     ~250    .20/ea    .42/ea
 330uF  25V     ~1000   .20/ea    .46/ea
1000uF  10V     ~5000   .35/ea    .66/ea
1000uF  63V     ~1000   .75/ea   1.58/ea

Radial packages
 470uF  40V     ~50     .30/ea    .60/ea
 470uF  60V     ~50     .35/ea  ~ .76/ea
 560uF  75V     ~10     .35/ea  ~ .76/ea
 680uF  50V     ~50     .30/ea  ~ .60/ea
1000uF  20V     ~50     .15/ea  ~ .30/ea
2200uF  20V     ~50     .30/ea    .63/ea
3300uF  15V     ~50     .40/ea  ~ .83/ea
3300uF  16V     ~50     .40/ea    .83/ea

Radial package w/screw mounts

9000uF  15V     ~300   1.00/ea ~ 2.00/ea
15000uF 50V     ~144   4.00/ea ~10.00/ea * Approximate. DigiKey doesn't

E-mail me if you're interested.

-- 
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   jemenake@nike.calpoly.edu   | pressure zone over the Iowa & Nebraska area. I
CalPoly, San Luis Obispo, Ca.  | have ALSO known that that area really sucks.
 (This is the .sig of the day) | And, I JUST realized they're cause & effect!
From: marcusj@apricot.co.uk (Marcus Jenkins)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: Re: 8051 C compilier
Keywords: 8051
Date: 1 Sep 92 08:06:46 GMT
Organization: Apricot Computers Limited

hoffberg@phebos.aps.anl.gov (Mike G. Hoffberg) writes:

>I am looking for an 8051 C compilier.  At present I have been using
>the Archamedies "Timesaver" compilier, but I have been unable to get
>generate multiple tasks and use the interrupts on the 8051.  

>I would like to know what other C compiliers exist for the 8051, and
>if possible if they can be run on SparcStations.

Keil Electronics, Germany, do one (documented in English, don't worry!).
I understand it's pretty good.

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Tel: +44 21 472 3002  Fax: +44 21 471 2935
Disclaimer:  Anything I wrote above is, of course, my own view and
             does not in any way represent my employer.
Newsgroups: sci.electronics,rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: djenkins@wang.com (Dave Jenkins)
Subject: TCM3105 Source?
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 14:48:08 GMT
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.packet

I am trying to get into packet radio.  The best way ($$ being a BIG factor)
seems to be to build the BayCom modem and use the KA9Q software and the AX25
packet driver for the BayCom modem.

I got the postscript file (wicked cool!) of the schematic for same, but,
cannot locate a TCM3105 chip.  Does anyone know where I can get one?

Someone mentioned "the BayCom or DigiCom kits".  I was not aware that there
was a "BayCom kit".  Perhaps this would be ideal.  (Comments?  Pointers?)

I thought about PMP (Poor Man's Packet) and even got the software, but when I
tried contacting Andy Payne (of PMP fame) about the availability of their
kit, I never got any reply.




Newsgroups: sci.electronics
From: kilian@cray.com (Alan Kilian)
Subject: Re: M68HC11 info needed
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 27 Aug 92 11:40:19 CDT


Call the Motorola Freeware BBS at 1-512-891-3733 and get the floatingpoint
routines. 

These are assembly language routines to do math. You will need to figure
out how to call them from "C" but you should be able to do it.
          
                               -Alan
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Newsgroups: sci.electronics,rec.video
From: bunky@milton.u.washington.edu (Mike)
Subject: Macrovision
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 04:10:37 GMT


     
     Does anyone know how macrovision allows a video tape to be watched on
     a television but not on a vcr?  I recently looked at a copy protected
     videotape and it appeared that there were 4 white bars on the last
     8 or 9 lines in the vertical interval that periodicly (every 15 or 20
     sec) faded in and out.  It looks like it's changing the average level
     of the picture to mess up the vcr.  If that's the case could this be
     fixed with a clamping circuit or some kind of dc restorer circuit?
     If anyone knows the technical details of how the copy protection scheme
     works I would be very interested. 

     Thanks
From: dino@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Tony stewart)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Adjustable and Variable speed drives
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 22:56:21 CDT
Organization: The Inquiring Mind BBS  1 204 488-1607

elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Y.C. Liang) writes:

> In article <17gjq9INNi66@venture.ksu.ksu.edu> misra@venture.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!
> >
> >	Help me out a bit here, what is the main difference between 
> >adjustable and variable speed drives. The books i have refered to tend
> >to use them as though they are the same. Perhaps they are. From what I 
> >gather, varible speed drives change speed depending on the load and adjustab
> >speed drives run at 'adjusted' speed regardless of what the load is. 
> >I am sure I am missing some basic concept here. Thanks for any help you
> >can give me. 
> >
> >						misra@matt.ksu.ksu.edu 
> >
> I think they are the same thing.  Sometimes, people prefer to use
> different names.  Regards.
> 
> 

If you want accurate speed control, then you choose a SERVO controlled 
design that has speed feedback thru a tach circuit of some sort, OPEN 
LOOP speed controls aand CLOSED loop speed controls are the 2 categories 
of adjustable speed control drives.  Disk drives used CLOSED loop motors 
for spindles and rotary voice coil motors.  Steppers motors are open 
loop, but because the steps are quantized and measureable, they can be 
made into accurate speed controls. Some have slew up/down acceleration, 
control circuits.

dino@inqmind.bison.mb.ca
The Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba  204 488-1607
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
From: wpns@miki.pictel.com (Willie Smith)
Subject: Re: Humidity Sensor Needed (Cheap!!!)
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:09:59 GMT

In article <BtKDF8.4G8@cmptrc.lonestar.org> neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) writes:
>Can anyone out there help me with my search for something to use as an
>electronic relative humidity sensor. So far my search has revealed the following
>methods for building a sensor device for use in constructing an electronic
>hygrometer I wish to interface to my PC:

Well, Edmund Scientific sells a complete humidity sensor/display
module for not terribly much ($20 or $40) that you could probably rip
the sensor out of.  Pretty inaccurate over temperature if I remember
correctly, though.  I suspect that the humidistats in furnaces and
home humidifiers use the old standby - horsehair - which expands and
contracts with the RH.

Willie Smith
wpns@pictel.com
From: pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: Re: wwv radios
Date: 30 Aug 92 02:30:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: mccc.1992Aug30.023032.11630
Organization: The College On The Other Side Of Route One

In article <1992Aug28.181123.6229@athena.cs.uga.edu> mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington) writes:
=Quite a big jump.  Also, weather is FM and WWV is AM.

I would say weather *was* "FM" for Floridians and Louisianiana when
Andrew came through but it's "PN" in New Jersey right now. :-)
From: mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: Re: coating materials for antennas
Summary: Aluminum in aluminum oxide is OK
Keywords: antennas materials
Date: 29 Aug 92 01:34:05 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

The usual practice with aluminum antennas is not to coat them.  They
coat themselves with aluminum oxide.  I don't see how the skin effect
would be any different with aluminum in oxide than with aluminum in air.
(The aluminum oxide is a very good insulator.)

Now of course you would have skin effect problems if the coating were
somewhat conductive (but less so than the metal) and the transition
from metal to coating were not sharp.  But I haven't heard of this kind
of problem with aluminum.

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+ Unless otherwise noted, these are private opinions, not official statements.
+ VOTE NO GEORGIA LOTTERY - we need not imitate mistakes of other states.
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
From: tchannon@black.demon.co.uk (Tim Channon)
Subject: Humidity Sensor Needed (Cheap!!!) 
Distribution: world
Organization: null
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 05:15:37 +0000

>> Can anyone out there help me with my search for something to use as an
>> electronic relative humidity sensor. So far my search has revealed the> following
>

Philips make one or did so check a current catalogue -- 

part ref 2322 691 90001.

122pf 10 .. 90% RH. frequency range 1 .. 1000 kHz

23mmH(incl pins) 15.5mmD 17mmW

A large and expensive dough proving oven where I designed the micro based 
controller used an expensive sensor but the control was little better than the 
**horsehair** mechanical system it replaced!

Seaweed? :-)

  TC. 
    E-mail: tchannon@black.demon.co.uk or tchannon@cix.compulink.co.uk
                                
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
From: markz@ssc.wa.com (Mark Zenier)
Subject: Re: Can 220V 50 Hz Stuff be run on US 220V 60 HZ power  ?
Organization: SSC, Inc.,  Seattle, WA
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 18:01:09 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

gerry@bluemoon.rn.com (Gerard M. Foley) writes:
: 
:    I'll be surprised if your equipment depends on the line for 
: a ground.  US 120 volt 60 hz stuff doesn't.  

Stuff with a 2 wire polarized plug does.  Or at least expects the
Neutral return to be a less hazardous connection than the other side.

And electric stoves can use the neutral for ground if the wiring 
is heavy enough.

Mark Zenier  markz@ssc.wa.com
From: bob@yenta.alb.nm.us (Bob Knight)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Software for Schematics
Date: 29 Aug 92 17:38:42 GMT
Organization: yenta unix pc, rio rancho, nm

I used EEDRAW to do schematics for my Master's thesis.  It is freeware for 
PC-type machines with EGA or better graphics.  I got it from 
wuarchive.wustl.edu via anonymous ftp.

Bob Knight
bob@yenta.alb.nm.us
Albuquerque, NM
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
From: gude@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (David J W Emrich)
Subject: Re: Stepper Motor Control
Keywords: stepper, transistor
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:41:02 GMT

root@drdhh.hanse.de (Bjoern Kriews) writes:

>Short question:
>I want to drive a fourphase 12V stepper motor from a 5V HCT latch.
>Is it possible to use a simple NPN transistor and to connect
>the motor common lead to 12V instaed of ground ?

>Will the stepper run with reversed coils ?
>I'll try out but I'd like to know if I do big big NONO's :-)

It'll work OK.  No damage to motor, and it really makes no difference.
I'll leave it to you to figure out if the direction of spin is
reversed! The only thing to watch is that you put swamping diodes
across the NPN transistors, so that back- emf from the coils doesn't
shoot them!

[dav]    aka
David Emrich
gude@uniwa.uwa.edu.au
From: fredriks@alexn.austin.ibm.com (Lars Fredriksen)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: WANTED: racal-redac Maxii-PC CAD or PADS PCB & LOGIC
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:08:08 GMT
Reply-To: fredriks@cetnet.austin.ibm.com (Lars Fredriksen)
Organization: IBM Austin, TX

Hi,
	Is there any one out there that has racal-redac's maxii/pc
CAD software for sale? 

	Also interessted in PADS Logic and PADS PCB. I have tried the
	PADS demo, but find it so restrictive that can't do anything
	usefull.

	Please send email to the Reply-To address above. 


	Thanks in advance for any info.

	Sincerely,

		Lars Fredriksen
From: fang@phy.duke.edu (Fang Zhong)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: Isolated Connector for IEEE Bus?
Keywords: Advices sought
Date: 27 Aug 92 02:07:36 GMT


	I work on small signals of less than micro volts.  I use a computer
to control my experiment and take data via IEEE bus.  One of the equipments
in my setup is a digial ratio transformer made my Eaton Advanced Electronics.
This equipment was designed so poorly that a ten-times larger noise was
added to my circuit if I added it to my IEEE bus.  
	I would like to find a way to add the digital ratiotran to the IEEE
while the noise is isolated only to the ratiotran.
	Will an optical isolation work in my case?

	Thanks in advance for any advices.


-- 
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	Duke University Dept. of Physics	fang@phy.duke.edu
	Durham, N.C.      27706
From: elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Y.C. Liang)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: Questions with BAMBI device simulator
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:20:13 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore

Dear Readers,

I am currently using a device simulator called "BAMBI".  I am facing the
problem of justifying the function(or usage) of three particular
parameters, i.e. CALPHA, CBETA and CGAMMA.  I am wondering if there is
anyone using the same software out there can help me.

Please send e-mail to me if you are able to help me.  Thanks a lot.

Y.C. Liang
e-mail: elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
From: awhichel@robin.rp.csiro.au (Adrian Whichello)
Subject: Re: NTSC to PAL	Did anyone try?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: CSIRO Division of Radiophysics/Australia Telescope National Faci
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 07:47:00 GMT

In article <28AUG199216305565@judy.uh.edu>, cscc13@judy.uh.edu (NAVEED IQBAL) writes...
>Did anyone try converting NTSC to PAL system? 
>I hear some people does the conversion but I don't know how.
> 
>Naveed
>NIqbal@uh.edu
> 

Yeah, we used to point a PAL camera at an NTSC monitor. Pity about the
10 Hz pulsation (different line frequency, you see) :-)

Adrian Whichello
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
From: gene@aee.aee.com (Gene Kochanowsky)
Subject: Re: Current research in chip fabrication technology
Organization: Associated Electronic Engineers
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:05:56 GMT

hoff@fasic5.fnal.gov (Jim Hoff) writes:

>In article <1992Aug20.004110.3357@unixg.ubc.ca>, sankey@unixg.ubc.ca (Todd Sankey) writes:
>|> 
>|>   I am trying to prepare a presentation on the current state of research
>|> in chip fabrication. I am requesting any sort of information from
>|> researchers/students/engineers/anyone in the know.
>|> 
>|>   Full credit will be given to all contributors. I am asking for
>|> any information available: a title, a short/long summary or even
>|> a ful paper if one is handy. I can handle most any kind of
>|> document from plain text to postscript or TeX.
>|> 
>|>   Please respond by E-mail to sankey@unixg.ubc.ca and thanks.
>|> 
>|> 		Todd Sankey
>|> 		sankey@unixg.ubc.ca

>I'm not really sure how to approach this.  I guess, in short, I'll just ask 
>what exactly is it you want to know?  No offense, but this is like saying
>I'm presenting a paper on trees, send me everything you know about trees.
>It's just a little broad.  If you ask specific question, or even post a 
>questionaire, I'll be happy to respond, if it is in my area, but, heck, I
>could talk your ear off probably for several days running on 
>"chip fabrication", and most of it would be of no interest to you whatsoever.

>If you wish, please repost with a much more specific series of questions.

>					Jim Hoff
Jim,

	if you wished to do this that would be great. I have long had a great
interest in this area. However if this seems to be too much, then a brief overview
would also be appreciated.

Gene Kochanowsky

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From: schuster@panix.com (Michael Schuster)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Is there 9V size 9V Nicads?
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:33:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Sep1.181338.29259@leland.Stanford.EDU> meric@leland.Stanford.EDU (meric ozcan) writes:
>The 9V size Nicads that I see are 7.2V or 7.5V. However manufacturers
>are smart enough to either not specify the voltage, saying that 9V
>size for 9V equipment, or print the voltage rating with a fine print.
>What I am looking for is 9V size Nicad with a voltage rating as close
>as possible to 9V. Does anyone know if this exist? Thanks.

VARTA makes true 9V nicads.      


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From: zot@toz.buffalo.ny.us (Chris Boebel)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics,alt.guitar
Subject: Building effects units for guitars
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:11:51 GMT
Organization: The Tower of Zot - (716)691-3865

I'd like to build some effects units for my guitar. Does anyone out there 
have some plans or some information on how to go about this?

Chris

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From: joelong@romeo.caltech.edu (Long, Joseph Louis)
Subject: NES specs (re-post)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:10:00 GMT

Can anyone give any technical specs on the Nintendo Entertainment
System?  No, Nintendo will not give it to me.  I only want it for
personal education, and a project I'm designing.  Any information
anyone has will be of GREAT HELP!

**Sorry I reposted this request, but the last time I did a couple
of people responded saying that they would forward info. later and
never have...  If you are still out there, I'm still here!

thanks,
joe
From: shawn@panix.com (Shawn Herzinger)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: Toshiba Strata VIe Inst. manual desperately needed!
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:58:04 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

I *REALLY* need an installation and setup manual for a Toshiba
Strata VIe or other Strata phone system.  I would be willing to pay
for photocopy and shipping costs.  Or even a fair price for the
manual itself.

If you have access to one or if you know of anyone who might, please
e-mail me.  Thank You!


shawn@panix.com
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
From: hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu)
Subject: Re: SCSI networking
Keywords: SCSI, networking (not very original, is it?)
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:59:55 GMT

In article <17dknqINN62s@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.125103.3101@cs.ruu.nl>, clldomps@cs.ruu.nl (Louis van Dompselaar) writes:
>	> A simple question:
>
>With unfortunately a simple answer: Don't do it!

Or the long answer - it depends on the systems, and your determination...
I've been using a couple Atari ST's and multiple hard drives this way for
a while now.
>	> 
>	> I will have two SCSI devices available in a month or
>	> two and like them both to access two 20 meg SCSI
>	> drives. N.B. of course they both use the same O.S. :-)
>	> Anyway, if networking SCSI is as simple as I hope
>	> it is, could anyone tell me how to do it by E-mail.
>	> if it isn't, does anyone have a good reference where
>	> I can find how to do it.
>
>I assume these are two computers and you want them to share the data
>on the drives? There are two problems with that:
>
>1) Most SCSI hosts are set to ID 7, and some cannot be changed. Since all
>   items in a SCSI bus must have different ID's you _must_ be able to
>   change the ID of one of your hosts. If you can't, you can go no
>   further.

Worse - the ST's host adapters don't have IDs at all. SCSI bus interrupts
tend to arrive on both STs at once.
>
>2) The nasty one: Pretty well all computers use some form of disk caching,
>   that is they store some of the frequently used data from the disk (like
>   bitmaps, directories etc.) in local memory. When you change something
>   e.g. by opening a file, the cache is updated but usually not written
>   back to the disk immediately, perhaps not until 30 seconds after
>   the file is closed.
>
>   If you have two computers, both caching data, it won't take long (a
>   matter of a few seconds) before each machine has a very different idea
>   of what parts of the disk are used. If you write to the disk in
>   those circumstances it will very rapidly become corrupted.
>
>You might get away with mounting a shared disk read-only on one machine,
>but other that that its a very risky thing to do (unless you have an
>OS which supports that sort of thing, like VMS).
>
>Its a pity, I have several machines I'd like to network that way, but
>for now it looks like Ethernet :-(
>
I've been using the ST MIDI ports to send control info between the STs.
Works OK, while the bulk data transfers go via SCSI.
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