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From: shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham)
Subject: Re: Star Destroyer question
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 23:33:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.135032.22235@Virginia.EDU> qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:
>
>	Can a death star house a star destroyer?  I know star
>destoyers are big, but it really looked like the ship in ANH was
>heading for the death star head-on, not preparing for orbit,
>or something.
>						-Quinn

I am not sure I know what you mean "house", if your question is wether a SD
can dock on the DS, then I can shed some insight.

I think a SD cannot dock on the DS. (Which in my opinion is a design flaw).

At the begining of ROJ, Vader takes a shuttle from the SD to the DS. Clearly
the SD was there for the sole purpose of transporting Vader from wherever he
was before (Bespin?). A SD, and not a shuttle is used for the mundane task of
shutteling Vader because he is important enough to demand the amenities of
a large ship (remeber Air-Sununu, everyone).
Have it been possible to dock a SD on the DS, the DS - allready dedicated to
the task of shutteling Vader - would have done so.

And if Vader is not important enough to have a dedicated SD docking in the DS
on his behalf, surely the Emperor - who also arrives by shuttle - is!

--On the other hand... The shuttles (and MF) always enter via the SMALLER of
the docking bays in the DS. We never find out what the "big docking bays" are
for. They sure look big enough for a SD.

- What do you guys think?


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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: "Strike me down" mistake
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:50:44 GMT

<GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>It is my understanding that the ROTJ script has Luke attempting to attack the
>Emperor with his lightsaber after the Emperor says, "Strike me down with all of
>your hatred, and your journey towards the dark side will be complete."  But the
>way it is depicted in the movie shows Vader's lightsaber closer to the camera
>and Luke's closer to the Emperor.  As if Luke was swinging away from the
>Emperor rather than toward him.  I'm wondering if this was done on purpose or
>if the sabers were just colored the opposite way.  Any insights?

I've noticed that, too.  It's possible to interpret it as a lightsaber
SFX glitch (A lightsaber SFX glitch?  In a *Star Wars* film?  Never!),
but I've always believed that when Luke snapped, he was actually going
after Vader, and not the Emperor at all -- an interesting thought, because
it means that Luke's anger has been directed at Vader all along, and that
the Emperor's "Strike me down" taunts obviously didn't have any effect
on Luke.


                                  --Steve Stelter
                                    sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
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From: galahad@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Compton)
Subject: RE: Favorite SW Moments
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 09:33:32 GMT

Hello,

Glad that me, Galahad, found this awesome newsgroup!  Now that
I've read the posts for greater than a month, I figured it is
time to post....

One of my favorite moments was in the ESB when the Star Destroyers
were closing in on the Falcon.  Just after the great maneuver by
Han, the two Destroyers came together, and it threw the generals
off-balance (but not the guys below if you noticed).  THEN, as
the TIE fighters approach, Leia says, " Their getting closer!!"

Han replys while grabbing for the Hyperdrive switch, " Oh yeah?,
Watch this!"  Suddenly he flicks the switch and everyone hears
the voom voom voom voom sounds getting deeper in pitch....
Leia speaks back, "Watch what...."

I also like a scene a little later (think romantic...)

L: Scoundrel!
H: Scoundrel?  I like the sound of that..
L: Stop that!
H: Stop What.. There are no scoundrels in your life,
L: I happen to like nice men...
H: I am nice men...

Then Threepio comes into the picture in time to save Leia...


One last MOMENT is when Ben leaves Luke, Han, Chewie, and the droids in 
ANH going off to fix the tractor beam for their escape. Right when the
door shuts (really fast), Luke turns around to Chewie and Han.  Chewie
mumbles something to Han, and then Han says perfectly, "Where did you
dig up that old fossile?!"  

Have a Great Break everyone!!!

Scotty
-- 

Sir Galahad, Son of Sir Lancelot, Grandson of Sir Parkinglot.
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From: dgoldman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Daniel Robert Goldman)
Subject: Re: John Williams
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:02:30 GMT

I've been following this thread about JW's imitative style, which I've 
personally never had a problem with.  Just the other night I was listening to
Mozart's Don Giovanni, which has an entire scene (last act?) in which Mozart
lifted themes from other works by other composers (including his own Marriage
of Figaro!).  Mozart is far more blatant about it, too.

Now I'm not trying to suggest that John Williams is another Mozart, but there
is a long and time-honored tradition of "musical exchange," which composers
often use simply because it evokes the memory of another work!  One of
Rachmaninoff's greatest works is a variation on a theme by Paganini.  I think
a work is all the richer if you can identify it's sources and inspirations.
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:12:26 -0500 
From: "David D. Schwartz" <ds7n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: why don't all you star wars fans get a life


His highness has spoken!

So let it be written, so let it be done!

Marius
ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu says . . . 

>I mean, here's what I see unfolding here --
> 
>Dork -- "You Star Wars readers are dweebs and you have no lives!"
(paraphrased)
> 
>Reader 1 -- "Oh, yeah?... (pause while recovering)... You're a bigger dweeb!"
> 
>Reader 2 -- "Why don't you call yourself a dweeb because you're on the
net >too?"
>            (what does that prove?  That we're all dweebs?  sigh...)
 
Boys and girls, let us reflect on this tremendous philosophical thought . . .

>Reader 3 -- (insert quasi-intellectual dissertation on immature, unintelligent
>	     behavior which really serves no purpose) in suitably big words
 
Speaking of big words . . . wow.

>Reader 4 -- "Ha, ha... I just nixed his account..."
> 
>Reader 5 -- "Wait a minute!  That's not cool!"  (Something I agree with)

Hurray!  He has spoken. . . he agrees with something!  For Joy!  Cause
for celebration!

>Reader 6 and onward -- argument about Lehigh's treatment of the dork ensues.

We may not be dweebs any longer, but now we are d-o-r-k-s . . . 
 
Holier-than-thou 'dissertation' begins . . . 

>Does it really *matter* what some non-Star Wars fan is saying here?  He
certain
>ldoesn't get to read the network very often.  He sure as hell won't be
reading 
>it
>in the near future.  And his remark has managed to generate about fifty
posts!!
>I feel that the responses here indicate a great amount of insecurity.
 
>RELAX!
 
Invaluable advice begins forthwith . . .

>Let it go.  He had no point in the beginning (that's like saying that
people wh
>olike soccer are assholes, or that people who drink have messed-up lives).  He
>was proven to have no point when the authorities at Lehigh decided his
behavior
>was not what they wanted to represent the computer account use at their
school.
>SO WHY IS EVERYBODY STILL DEFENDING THEMSELVES ABOUT THE ORIGINAL CRACK?!?!?

I don't know about you, but I'm inspired . . . wow.
 
>Do you honestly believe the guy was right about your not having lives?
 
At this point I feel like we've all gathered around the fire to listen
to our esteemed elder speak to us . . .  wow. 

>That's what comes across...
 
Hmmmm. . . . wow.

>But that's not my feeling.  I know I've wasted enough bandwidth on a tired-out
>subject, so I'll close.  May the Force be with you all.
 
Hail! Hail! Hail!



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From: abaker@jarthur.claremont.edu (The Evil One)
Subject: Re: Imperial Shuttles
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:13:34 GMT

In article <Bz9q06.B5v@news.cso.uiuc.edu> caine@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
(Dark Lord of the Sith) writes:
>joshuali@sal-sun55.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>
>>caine@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dark Lard of the Sith) writes:
>>>Correction---> X-Wing fighters do not have hyperspace capabilities. 
>>>However, they can be fitted with the hyperdrive engines.  As far as
>>>I know, Luke's X-Wing is the only one with hyperdrive.  It's in the
>>>Star Wars Sourcebook and in the Timothy Zahn books Star Wars:
>>>"Heir To The Empire" and "Dark Force Rising."
>
>>They sure look like they have hyperdrive in ROTJ. I think it's standard.
>>I think it would have been rather expensive for the rebellion to fit ALL
>>of it's fighters with hyperdrives for the attack on Death Star #2.
>
>Are you saying that you can see the hyperdrive engine?  I doubt it...
>So, I would have to propose a type of hyper-drive "pull" created by the
>larger ships at the beginning of the jump to DS2.  Either that, or tractor
>beams designed for this purpose.  There certainly were a lot of ships at 
>the jump point, and it would have been VERY expenxive to have all the
>ships fitted with hyperdrive.  You actually seem to have lost me on this
>one.  First you say it looks like they have it, then you say it would
>be too costly for all ships to have it.  Can you say paradox?

I think it was meant to mean that it would be too expensive to retrofit
all the X-wings for hyperdrive.  Retrofitting them would be much more  
expensive than having them come standard.

The Evil One
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:11:23 EST
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Re: Ben's Lightsaber and T. Zahn

In article <1992Dec11.141701.12130@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>,
hatcher@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Donald L.C. Blewett) says:
>  On to a more pleasant note, I just read Dark Force Rising last night, and
>I was wondering if anyone else had come to the same conclusion as I had.
>Early in the book, Thrawn and cronies mention their high level spy in the
>New Republic named "Delta Source".  I at first thought it was the Bothan,
>Fey'yla (sp?) but having read the book, I now am convinced it's Winter,
>Han and Leia's servant.  After all, she has a photographic memory, and every
>time someone tells her where they are going, Thrawn shows up there too,
>coincidence?  I wonder.

    Can you say "obvious"?  Delta Source ( "my sources" ) are the
ch'hala trees.
>
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From: markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: ..last hope.  No there is another one.
Date: 19 Dec 1992 13:51:44 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <7DEC199211581471@rosie.uh.edu> st1pk@rosie.uh.edu (DISCO BISCUIT) writes:
>	In The Empire Strikes Back, Ben kenobi mentioned that Luke was
>their last hope and then Yoda said "No...there is another." 
>
>	What did he mean by that?

He was secretly referring to the remarkable longevity of a famed movie
actor of the mid 20th Century, who though still alive at this time could very
well keel over at any moment.
From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Hamill's Movie Career...Anyone?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 14:44:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
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In a previous article, jpurcell@vax1.umkc.edu () says:

>Does anyone know what films Hamill has been in since ROTJ?  I haven't seen one,
>but I'm sure they exist.

I spoke to his agent yesterday and he'll be sending me a complete list
of the Luke-ster's credits.

Also, everybody keep your fingers crossed.  His agent's also going to
approach him about doing an interview ...

----  TJ

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From: hofle@cs.utexas.edu (Andrew Christopher Hofle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Ben Kenobi's lightsabre
Date: 11 Dec 1992 15:32:28 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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In article <1992Dec11.082149.7517@mail.cornell.edu> chris@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.234258.17664@ll.mit.edu> shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham) writes:
>> >Lightsabers are not powered by the Force.  Simple proof - Han is able to
>> >ignite a saber.  (also, Luke is able to ignite the saber before he has
>> >any training).  Therefore, sabers can-not be powered by the force or Han
>> >(and arguably Luke) could not have ignited them.
>>
>> As long as a force user is in the area, power is available.
>>
>
>Even if that Force user is barely conscious/alive in addition to being
>untrained as Luke was in the beginning of ESB?  Still doesn't seem
>logical at all to me.
>
Also, we all know that Han doesn't believe in the Force : "...I've never seen ANYTHING
that would make me believe in some all-powerful force..." (or something like that)
And he is quite familiar with light sabers :"...ancient weapons are no match for a good 
blaster at your side..."

If it was a known fact that light sabers couldn't be utilized by non-force users who
were not in the vicinity of a force user, then Han would probably (like any skeptic)
have tried to use one without a force user in the area.  If what you say is true, he 
would not have said "...I've never seen ANYTHING that would...."
It's just a weapon.

--Andy
From: mmartin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew Wayne Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: What is 'letterbox'?
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:29:24 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <SS.92Dec14121700@wpi.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
>
>>Well, a theater screen is about 1x2.5, a TV screen is about 1x1.5, so
>>they decided to do this: to show the full theatre picture on TV
>>screen with the rest of the screen (above and/or below) black.
>
>lebeld> Does this version only exist in Laser Disk format, or it can
>lebeld> be purchased in VHS format?  I recently saw a boxed set of the
>lebeld> three movies at a HMV disque store here in Montreal, and there
>lebeld> was a short note by Lucas himself on the box. Is this version
>lebeld> the much talked about 'letterbox'?  If so, I might plunge the
>lebeld> required 80$ and buy it... 8-]
>
>Yes, this new boxed set was released recently, and is letterboxed.
>Also has "From SW to Jedi" I think too.
>--
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	Seems to me "lebeld" is describing the old boxed set (the one with
the 3 Pan and Scan versions).  The letterboxed edition comes in a big box
with a hologram  on the front and goes for about $99 US.
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From: shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham)
Subject: Re: Ben Kenobi's lightsabre
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 00:23:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.082149.7517@mail.cornell.edu> chris@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.234258.17664@ll.mit.edu> shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham) writes:

>> As long as a force user is in the area, power is available.

>Even if that Force user is barely conscious/alive in addition to being
>untrained as Luke was in the beginning of ESB?  Still doesn't seem
>logical at all to me.

Well, for simple tasks - like slicing a dead Tantan (sp?) I think it was 
enough.

>wielding it during a duel?  If proximity was enough then both Kenobi's
>and Vader's sabers should have benefited equally from the proximity of
>(strong) Vader and (weak?) Kenobi.  Hmmmm?  And don't try telling me that

One would assume Vader would deny Ben the use of his "Force presense", as 
Vader had little interest in keeping Ben's LS powered :-)

>> >Vader was obviously referring to Kenobi's force powers and his dueling
>> >prowess - not to the power-source (physical or mystical) of Kenobi's saber.

>> Ben was dueling quite well. I'm no expert on the subject, but he didn't seem

>If you assume the saber was always the same length then Ben's skills are
>nothing special.

Nothing special, perhaps, but not "weakening duelling prowesses" either!

>> >then how come Vader's saber "give out" after the fight is over!?  After

>> He shuts it off! like all force-users do at the end of a battle, or when the

>Obviously.  But that's not what I'm referring to.  There are several frames
>where you can see Vader's saber still extended (on) but colorless (just a silver
>rod - no glow).  This is the same way Kenobi's saber looks during the
>fight.  Watch it single-frame on a decent VCR.

If the lack of glow is what people are talking about when they say "FX goof",
well - I won't argue much - I think a non-glowing LS blade is just as lethal
as any. What I'm pointing to is the *SHORTENING* of the blade. Not a goof,
as the sound effect, the duelling practices, and the dialog, all seem to
match the MULTIPLE times that happens!


>I'm still undecided on this (whether saber's can cut through anything).
>My opinion so far is that saber's can not cut through anything that is
>protected by force fields or that is magnetically sealed.  Other than
>that I believe they can cut through anything.  My evidence for this -
>if they could cut through magnetically sealed stuff Luke would have
>just hacked his way out of the garbage compactor.

As I recall, Luke didn't have a LS in the gerbage compactor - can anyone
correct me?


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From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: how much is the new Dark Horse comic worth?
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:53:19 GMT

From article <1992Dec16.224542.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>, by 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque):
> #1 Most of the Marvels, especially the last 60 issues, are completely
>    worthless. The early stuff by Goodwin/Chaykin and Goodwin/Infantino/Day
>    are the best. And the ESB's by Al Williamson are great. But the series is
>    junk and will never be valuable. This was a VERY popular series by Marvel,
>    and thus, by the inverse law of talent, had generally worse stories and art
>    then books of lower print runs. I knew with the last year that this series
>    had to buy the farm.

	Well one person has to disagree with you.  I started collecting
Marvel's SW comic (heck, first started collecting comics PERIOD) with about
issue #60, and I found more characterization and decent stories (even if they
didn't/don't co-incide with SW history as it stands) than in DE.  I will agree
that when they brought in that lady to draw at around issue 100, the series
went to pot, but with Palmer's inking, I felt it retained much of the SW
feel.

> #2 Classic Star Wars. Gee, I dunno. They are on issue #3 (soon to be #4),
> and if you are smart (yes you are.... Ben invokes some Jedi persuasion...
> buy these books now...). These are EDITED versions of the classic Goodwin/
> Williamson newspaper strips. Redundant material was left out, new art added
> in. Refomratted for a comic book. Still very good. Buy them now.......

	Excellent.  Again, I find better characterization of the characters
in this strip than in DE.  Don't get me wrong - I still love the story 
of DE, but the characterizations were really off.  These strips are a bit
"drippy" at times, but still better.

TTYL
 Chris
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:11:42 EST
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: ..last hope. No there is another one.
 <1992Dec16.061342.5771@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
 <1992Dec16.131851.6363@cc.umontreal.ca>

>
>Here's from the script of ESB:
>
>YODA: Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future.
>
>--


 ...This has nothing to do with the discussion at hand, but....

 Can somebody post the TESB script to the net?
 The archive files are of no use to me.
From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Imperial Shuttles
Date: 14 Dec 1992 16:37:14 -0800
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In article <Bz9q06.B5v@news.cso.uiuc.edu> caine@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dark Lord of the Sith) writes:
>joshuali@sal-sun55.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>
>>They sure look like they have hyperdrive in ROTJ. I think it's standard.
>>I think it would have been rather expensive for the rebellion to fit ALL
>>of it's fighters with hyperdrives for the attack on Death Star #2.
>
>Are you saying that you can see the hyperdrive engine?  I doubt it...
>So, I would have to propose a type of hyper-drive "pull" created by the
>larger ships at the beginning of the jump to DS2.  Either that, or tractor
>beams designed for this purpose.  There certainly were a lot of ships at 
>the jump point, and it would have been VERY expenxive to have all the
>ships fitted with hyperdrive.  You actually seem to have lost me on this
>one.  First you say it looks like they have it, then you say it would
>be too costly for all ships to have it.  Can you say paradox?

NO...I was saying (according to your theory-fighters can have a hyperdrive
added later) then it would be expensive to add hyperdrives to all the 
fighters, according to your theory.

Look closely next time...the fighters enter hyperspace BEFORE the big ships.
Sorry, there is no hyperdrive tow...the fighters all have hyperdrive. Small
ships enter hyperdrive and then the big ships.


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