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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:09:22 EST
From: <HRL@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Relationship of sculpture and architecture?

I am currently in the fifth year of architecture at Penn State working on a
thesis project studying the relationship of sculpture and architecture.
The actual project is a national student competition for an addition to the
Corcoran Gallery in Washington DC.  I am requesting information or thoughts
about the sculpture/architecture relationship as well as any feedback on the
specific building project.
PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO HRL...REPLY TO MTP@PSUARCH2
MIKE



Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: garry@archsci.arch.su.edu.au (Garry Stevens)
Subject: Sociology of architecture
Followup-To: alt.architecture
Organization: Dept Architectural Science, Uni of Sydney
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:30:24 GMT

Does anyone know of any work being done on the sociology of architecture
using the framework of Pierre Bourdieu?? I am aware of the work of the
Cincinatti center (Dana Cuff, Bob Guttman, etc) , but this is not directly
relevant.

Thanks in advance.

Garry Stevens
Dept of Architectural & Design Science
University of Sydney
Australia
From: "shire::rob"@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Rob McNeur)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Mud Brick Construction - Info Request
Date: 14 Dec 1992 16:24:04 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Hiya

Just wondering whether anyone can give me any contacts, references or 
organisations relating to Earth building, i.e Adobe, compressed mud-brick, 
or rammed earth building.
There are small amounts available in the local library but not a lot, so I 
would like to locate other organisations and/or references on the subjects.

Please post or email "Rob@ccc.govt.nz" with any information.


Thanks

Rob McNeur
Christchurch City Council
Christchurch, New Zealand
Rob@ccc.govt.nz
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:20:45 EST
From: <WWH101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Sustainable designs

My wife and I are gathering information on environmentally sound building mat-
erials, as well as, designs that are low cost, yet resource effient. We hope to
 soon be building the "poor man's" version of Amory Lovin's Rocky Mountain Inst
itue. If you have any information or ideas please respond.  Thanks
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: haber@shark.mel.dit.CSIRO.AU (Yaacov Haber)
Subject: catalogue
Organization: CSIRO, Division of Information Technology, Melbourne
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 09:23:45 GMT


Does anyone know of a catalogue which specializes in cad-cam
software and equipment.

If possible could you email me a response

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From: pkosidow@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul G Kosidowski)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Re: Sociology of architecture
Date: 16 Dec 1992 17:31:38 GMT
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From article <garry-161292232917@archmac-178.arch.su.edu.au>, by garry@archsci.arch.su.edu.au (Garry Stevens):
> Does anyone know of any work being done on the sociology of architecture
> using the framework of Pierre Bourdieu??

Garry,
I've not heard of anything like this, but it sounds like an area for some 
interesting work. Please let me know if you find anything. In the meantime
I'll ask around.

Paul Kosidowski
Modern Studies
Univ. of Wisconsin Milwaukee
Organization: Freshman, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 13:04:33 -0500 
From: Daniel Shihhao Hsu <dh4z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Hello

Greetings to anyone reading this,

This is my first time posting on this bboard.  I'm a freshman at
Carnegie Mellon , Dept. of Archi"torture".  

I'm looking for some good architectural books, any recommendations?

Daniel Hsu
From: jmcd@cea.berkeley.edu (John McDonald)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Portfolio for Grad School
Date: 12 Dec 92 18:17:49 GMT
Organization: Center for EUV Astrophysics


Hi everybody,

	I am applying to graduate programs in
Architecture at a couple of schools.  These programs
are the type that are for people without bachelor's
degrees in Architecture (my BA is in Physics), and
they would like to see some small portfolio of art.
I have been painting for a couple of years, and before
that was into ink drawing, drafting and graphic design.

My question is: would a set of about 15 5x7 photographs
of this previous work be a reasonable submission as a
portfolio for Architecture school?

Thanks!

John McDonald                   |  Extreme Ultraviolet Explorer
 center for euv astrophysics    |  
 university of california       |
 berkeley, ca  94720            |  Internet:  jmcd@cea.berkeley.edu
Xref: sparky alt.architecture:273 soc.culture.usa:9105
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture,soc.culture.usa
Subject: New York City historical question
Date: 11 Dec 1992 18:54:58 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


Before AT&T moved into its Philip Johnson building its headquarters was at
195 Broadway.  I've seen in some old books that 195 Broadway was once the
headquarters of Western Union.  Later Western Union was at 60 Hudson Street.
I'd like to know something of the history of these addresses and moves.

It was in 1909 that AT&T acquired effective control of Western Union - they
were run as separate companies but with Theodore N. Vail as president of
both companies.  AT&T divested Western Union in 1913 under antitrust pressure.
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Ya can argue all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was!"
"No it aint!  But ya gotta know the territory!"
        Meredith Willson: "The Music Man"

Newsgroups: alt.mythology
From: rivero <rivero@cc.unizar.es>
Subject: Re: DIOMEDES OF ARGOS
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A753E4DA40039319@m14725.unizar.es>
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:41:32 GMT

In article <liqddhINNdvg@news.bbn.com> Bob Ingria, ingria@bbn.com writes:
>The new translation is closer to the original, which runs:
>
>Me:nin aeide, thea, Peleiadeo:s Achilleo:s
>wrath sing    goddess Peleus' son's Achilles'
>

Thas is the point in the "new" translations. They are closer to the old text,
so you can get a feel on the language even if you dont understand the
original. At least, in spanish this can be done.

-Alejandro Rivero
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
From: pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen)
Subject: Re: Unicorns mentioned in the Bible?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:16:55 GMT

jl3j+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Robert Leavitt) writes:

>{Numbers 23:22}
>God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an
>unicorn.

>{Job 39:9}
>Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

 (Others deleted)

 The New International Version uses the words "wild ox(en)" in all these
 passages.  It also explains that the bible is either refering to aurochs,
 which were wild ancestors of domestic cattle, or oryxes, which were large
 straight-horned antelopes.
								Peder

Xref: sparky alt.mythology:2175 rec.games.frp.misc:9755
From: c188-cr@po.berkeley.edu (Chua Hak Lien)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology,rec.games.frp.misc
Subject: Re: Questions...
Date: 13 Dec 1992 03:50:09 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: po.berkeley.edu

In article <By31J2.9s6@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> cpshelle@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (cameron shelley) writes:
>t00022@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:
>> In times of famine, the pelican will tear strips of flesh off her own breast
>> to feed her young.  I don't remember if this is all a bunch of baloney or
>> if pelicans actually do this.
No they don't, of course. Anyway, some excerpts from T.H. White's translation
from a Latin Bestiary of the 12th Century. _The_Book_Of_Beasts_, Dover
Publications 1984. ISBN 0-486-24609-4.
"The Pelican is excessively devoted to its children. But when these have
been born and begin to grow up, they flap their parents in the face with their
wings, and the parents, striking them, kill them. Three days afterward the 
mother pierces her breast, opens her side, and lays herself across her
young, pouring out her blood over the dead bodies. This brings them to life
again." ( p 132 ).
An analogy is made with Christ, and how his side after being pierced,
came from it blood and water for "our salvation and eternal life." ( p. 133 ).

>
>There was an interesting bit of heraldry I saw once in Britian on the
>subject of beavers.  One coat of arms depicted a beaver biting off its
>testicles.  Apparently, someone had seen a beaver using its musk
>glands to oil its fur and came to the conclusion that beavers bite off
>their testicles in order to shake off other animals that pursue
>beavers to obtain these.  I would say this tells us less about beavers
>than their observers at the time...

"There is an animal called CASTOR, the Beaver, none more gentle, and
his testicles make a capital medicine. For this reason, so Physiologus
says, when he notices that he is being pursued by the hunter, he removes
his own testicles with a bite, and casts them before the sportsman, and
thus escapes by flight. What is more, if he should again happen to be chased
by a second hunter, he lifts himself up and shows his members to him. And
the altter, when he perceives the testicles to be missing, leaves the
beaver alone." ( p 29 ).

Another religious analogy is made here. Testicles represent "vices", and
the Devil here is the hunter. Cutting off the testicles represents 
cutting off all vices and "all motions of lewdness", into "the Devil's
face", thus confusing the Devil.

Very interesting book. Lots of reference to other animals and the
beliefs surronding them as well. Highly reccomended to anyone interested in
folklore, or Middle Ages role-players... =)

></dev/cam
>--
>      Cameron Shelley        |"In the beginning, there was nothing.  Then
>cpshelle@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca | God said `Let there be light', and there
>    Davis Centre Rm 3147     | was still nothing, but youse could see it."
> Phone (519) 885-1211 x3499  | --Dave Thomas, SCTV:_Sunrise Semester_

Chua
+==+

Newsgroups: alt.mythology,alt.native
From: bus2@quads.uchicago.edu (cass roberts buscher)
Subject: Re: American Indian Medea?
Reply-To: bus2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:21:10 GMT

Just thought you should know.  Not all Native American 
cultures are ignorant of rape.  In fact the Hare have
traditionally dealt quite harshly with the rapists
You have to realize that Native America is very diverse.
Better for you to pick one group/nation and see if your
ideas fit, rather then try to find a universal in
Native America.  And abortion is common among some groups,
and infanticide has been practiced.  I can not think of
particular nations, but it is not unheard of.
Cass Buscher
From: dustin@ocf.berkeley.edu (Dustin Tranberg)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Request: Siberian Mythology
Date: 14 Dec 1992 20:47:02 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.32.234.22

In article <sf_WwcW00WB6977JVE@andrew.cmu.edu> John Robert Leavitt <jl3j+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Anyone know any good sources for Siberian (or East Russian) mythology?
>
>-John.

Well, an excellent source along these lines is Mircea Eliade's classic
book _Shamanism_, which, although it isn't a nice "here's the gods and
what they do," it is a beautiful description of the more complete
magico-religious "worldview" (if you will) of some of the North Asian
cultures.  It's a good, dense read.

Dustin

Newsgroups: alt.mythology
From: George Paap <george_paap@email.sps.mot.com>
Subject: Mabon
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:03:53 GMT

Does anyone know anything about Mabon?  I understand
he was a god in the arthurian legends but not much 
more (it is also a wiccan sabbat).  Its the name
of my cat.

Yule tidings,

George Paap

I am my opinions.
(which almost certainly are not those of my employer)
From: mjsmith@cac.washington.edu (Martha Smith )
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Request: Siberian Mythology
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:06:46 GMT
Organization: UW Computing

If Siberian (not Turkic) sources in English are requested:

Children's books (retellings) Tales of an old Siberian Trapper. Girl and the Moon Man

Scholarly (FF Communications); rite technique of the Siberian shaman
From: dustin@ocf.berkeley.edu (Dustin Tranberg)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Mabon
Date: 16 Dec 1992 13:39:05 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: avalanche.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec16.040353.12373@newsgate.sps.mot.com> George Paap <george_paap@email.sps.mot.com> writes:
>Does anyone know anything about Mabon?  I understand
>he was a god in the arthurian legends but not much 
>more (it is also a wiccan sabbat).  Its the name
>of my cat.
>
>Yule tidings,
>
>George Paap
>

Well, I can give you what noted Welsh mythology scholar Patrick K. Ford
has to say in his translation _The_Mabinogi_and_Other_Medieval_Welsh_Tales_:

"MABON, son of Modron, stolen from his mother when three nights old
and imprisoned until Arthur freed him.  The _mabinogi_ may have
originally told of his birth and exploits.  His doublet occurs, perhaps,
in the name Mabon son of Mellt ('lightning')."(p.193)

"Pryderi's imprisonment has been compared with that of other famous
prisoners, namely Mabon son of Modron in the tale of "Culhwch and
Olwen" and Gweir, the prisoner of Caer Siddi in "The Spoils of Annwfn."
It may even be, as some have suggested, that these are but different
names for the same divine hero who had been, at one point, a celebrated
prisoner."(p.75)

Also associated with the name "Maponos."

Pat Ford's book is fun and readily available.  I recommend it.

My personal thoughts on the matter are that he is perhaps similar to
the Hindu Soma, the sacrificial liquid personified as a god, who is
rescued from the demons (sometimes from inside a mountain), and to
the Norse "mead of poetry," personified as Kvasir, which is stolen
from the giants from inside a mountain by Odinn.

But that's pretty speculative.  B^)

Enjoy,

Dustin

Newsgroups: alt.mythology
From: misar@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (walter misar)
Subject: Re: Unicorns mentioned in the Bible?
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:11:54 GMT
Organization: TH Darmstadt

In article <0525.12.92@bytos.toppoint.de>, awin@bytos.toppoint.de (Achim Held) writes:
> Hi!
> 
> A few days ago I've read in an encyclopedia about unicorns, and the article
> said that unicorns are mentioned in the Bible.
> 
> Is this true, and where are they mentioned?

Hm, I think this goes back to a translation from Luther, but I don't know
where the unicorn was mentioned (Twas a story about a beast destroying the
land or something like this).

-- 
Walter Misar                        It is impossible to enjoy idling thoroughly
misar@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de       unless one has plenty of work to do.
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From: spgreg@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Greg Macrae)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology,alt.native
Subject: Re: American Indian Medea?
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:59:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <Byyz1p.994@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU>, joann@unixhub.slac.stanford.edu writes...
>In article <92343.131243IO20905@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, <IO20905@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
> 
>|> I am looking for lore about the outsider woman, and infanticide.
> 
>I assume you know the story of the Silkie, the seal-woman who marries
>a human husband after he captures her, but eventually goes back to her
>people? 

The Selkie story is Scottish.  It is a good story, but not related to 
the Medea stories.  I'd be happy to relate it to anyone who is interested.

Greg
From: jl3j+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Robert Leavitt)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Unicorns mentioned in the Bible?
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:11:02 GMT
Organization: Center for Machine Translation, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

In article <0525.12.92@bytos.toppoint.de>, awin@bytos.toppoint.de (Achim Held) w
rites:
> Hi!
>
> A few days ago I've read in an encyclopedia about unicorns, and the article
> said that unicorns are mentioned in the Bible.
>
> Is this true, and where are they mentioned?

Well, a quick search through the online bible here reveals the following:`
{Numbers 23:22}
God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an
unicorn.

{Numbers 24:8}
God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of
an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break
their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.

{Deuteronomy 33:17}
His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like
the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to
the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and
they are the thousands of Manasseh.

{Job 39:9}
Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

{Job 39:10}
Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he
harrow the valleys after thee?

{Psalms 22:21}
Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns
of the unicorns.

{Psalms 29:6}
He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a
young unicorn.

{Psalms 92:10}
But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be
anointed with fresh oil.

{Isaiah 34:7}
And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the
bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made
fat with fatness.


-John.
Newsgroups: alt.mythology,alt.native
From: rjb@carson.u.washington.edu (LeGrand Cinq-Mars)
Subject: Re: American Indian Medea?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:36:26 GMT

An interesting book is Kenneth Good's _Into The Heart_, dealing
with his time among the Yanamamo.  Has some observations with respect to
rape, sexuality, etc.

--LeGrand
From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: How did Semele die?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 01:44:44 GMT
Reply-To: ingria@BBN.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
In-reply-to: sonix@schunix.uucp's message of 14 Dec 92 21:26:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.212603.10503@schunix.uucp> sonix@schunix.uucp (Duane Morin) writes:

   The net wisdom is being challenged by a colleague of mine.  The question:

   How did Semele die?

   He offers a hint - Semele was Bacchus' mother.

Hera, who was jealous of Semele for making time with Zeus, appeared to
Semele as an old woman.  Zeus had told her that he was a god; Hera put
doubt into Semele's mind and told her to discover if her mysterious
lover were really a god, by having him appear in his true form.  The
next time Zeus came to Semele, she made him swear a solemn oath to
give her whatever she wanted.  She did and then asked him to show her
his true form.  He then, bound by his oath, was forced to do so, and
so transformed into a thunderbolt, instantly turning Semele into
toast.  Zeus plucked the unborn Dionysus from the ashes, sewed him up
in his thigh, and, presto, some months later Dionysus was born from
Zeus' thigh.
--
-30-
Bob Ingria
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
From: whabington@mta.ca
Subject: Re: Hercules: Req. for Info
Reply-To: whabington@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:20:02 GMT

In article <Bz216u.E8D@rice.edu>, micah@ravl.rice.edu (Micah Samuel Rosen) writes:
>Okay -- Mythology 101 question:
>
>I'm currently putting together my Masters thesis in Architecture. The
>subject matter revolves around the various ways in which architects
>conceive of the sites upon which they build. (Greek world view different
>from Roman world view different from Modern ...)
>
>One element of the thesis discusses mythology as a system for recognizing
>and rationalizing geographical facts.
>
>My immediate request is for information regarding Hercules battle with
>another mythological character (Antheus, I believe). Hercules won
>the battle by lifting his opponent off of the ground. The ground was the
>source of the opponent's power.
>
>The information I would be interested in is 1) a good translation of the
>story and 2) any commentary about the way the story reflected on the
>Greek view of the land and the importance of the physical environment.
>
>Any other tidbits about the general subject matter from other cultures
>and mythologies would also be appreciated. The thesis is restricted to
>Western cultures, not out of any bias but to retain my sanity and
>because of the terms in which the original debate I'm addressing was
>framed. Egyptian, Judeo-Christian, Greek, Roman, Anglo-Saxon, Germanic ...
>
>
>
>Micah S. Rosen				"Rubbernecking is an indication
>micah@ravl.rice.edu			 of the disinteresting quality
>					 of our modern lives... "
>
ROBERT GRAVES' "GREEK MYTHS 2" WOULD CERTAINLY COVER ANY TRADITIONAL ANECDOTE
CONCERNING HERACLES AND HIS EXPLOITS.  ADDITIONALY, HIS NOTATIONS CONCERNING
VARIOUS PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS OF THESE STORIES MIGHT COME IN HANDY FOR YOUR
PURPOSES.  CHECK IT OUT.

							(:THE COMEDIAN:)
From: rjb@carson.u.washington.edu (LeGrand Cinq-Mars)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Eliade-- dead or alive?
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:53:09 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Eliade is dead.  

--LeGrand
Newsgroups: alt.mythology,alt.native
From: mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Harris)
Subject: Re: American Indian Medea?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 19:29:13 GMT

Try reading Indian Givers if your interested in a good book on indian
culture. As for whether Indiand raped or committed other forms of violence
the point is not whether anything of this sort *ever* happened. It is that
any kind of vilence was such an exception and society was so different
from what we have today. In our society (even today the US is at least by
any measure 10 times more violent than the next violent contemporary
culture) violence is a way of life. For the Indians it was almost unheard of.



--
Mike Harris 			>>>>> In stereo where available <<<<< 
InterNet: mikeh@tenet.edu
From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: DIOMEDES OF ARGOS
Date: 15 Dec 1992 01:32:33 GMT
Reply-To: ingria@BBN.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
In-reply-to: rivero@cc.unizar.es's message of 10 Dec 92 09:35:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.093548.23640@ulrik.uio.no> rivero@cc.unizar.es (rivero) writes:

   [On the Iliad]

   Hmm, If you can not wait and you can read Spanish, you would try the
   new translation published by Gredos (I dont remember the name of the
   traslator, but it is a respeted one here). It uses the freedom of 
   Spanish grammar to fit with the greek text, thus mapping one to one
   the verses; very useful both to students and to readers. Sometimes I feel
   the sound of the staff marking the rithm.

   By the way, they have changed the start. Traditionally in Spanish was:
   Canta Oh Diosa la colera funesta del divino Aquiles.
   Now it is (roughly):
	   Colera canta, oh diosa, del divino Aquiles
	    Funesta, que para aqueos y troyanos fue...

The new translation is closer to the original, which runs:

Me:nin aeide, thea, Peleiadeo:s Achilleo:s
wrath sing    goddess Peleus' son's Achilles'

oulomene:n...
destructive

Or ``Wrath, goddess, sing the destructive wrath of Achilles, Peleus'
son...''
--
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Bob Ingria