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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: The All "Home-State" Team?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:58:50 GMT

ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:

>	Florida
>	Starter 		Backup
>Center  Darryl Dawkins (who else? still the best FLA has produced)	
>				Mychal Thompson
>PF	Douglas Edwards		Livingston Chatman
>SF	George McCloud		(The kid from Miami who went to LSU ) 
				^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
				Is this Tito Horford you're talking about?

>SG	Vernon Maxwell		Andrew Moten
>PG	Chris Corchianni	Ronnie Montgomery

>	North Carolina  
>	Starter 		Backup
>Center  Daugherty?		S. Williams
>PF	Bailey			Reid
>SF	Worthy			
>SG	Jordan			
>PG	?????			Bogues? 

	Some of these guys weren't from North Carolina.  Scott Williams
	is from out in California, and JR Reid is from Virginia.  Are U
	defining college ball as qualification?

	Here's an all-Kentucky team:

	C -- Mel Turpin
	F -- Jack Givens
	F -- Winston Bennett
	G -- Darrell Griffith
	G -- Allan Houston

	Or what about an all-Lexington team:
	C -- Turpin (Bryan Station) 
	F -- Givens (Bryan Station) 
	F -- Frank Kornet (Lexington Catholic)
        G -- Dirk Minniefield (Lafayette)
        G -- Sean Sutton (Henry Clay)
        G -- Darrin Horn (Tates Creek)
        G -- Darnell Burton (Dunbar)   * - will probably turn out to be
					   the best of this group.

	Jazzy J>	
>-- 
>Ronnie
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>I'm not cynical... I just don't believe in anything....
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From: vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Is Bird Retiring?
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:22:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Aug18.192243.3293
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <5588@igor.Rational.COM>, msmiller@Rational.COM (Mark Miller) writes:
|> I heard on the local (San Jose) news this morning that Larry is
|> supposed to announce his retirement today. Can anyone canfirm this?
|> The story was supposed to have come from a "Boston area newspaper".
|> 
|> Maybe I left Boston at the right time afterall.
|> 
|> 	-MSM
|> 
|> ________________________________________________________________________
|> Mark S. Miller                                     msmiller@Rational.COM
|> "Life is a 4-letter word."                        msmiller@world.std.com
|> [ insert tedious disclaimer drivel here ]                           IV-Q


He already announced it at noon.

-- Venk Reddy --
From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: The All "Home-State" Team?
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:51:11 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug12.204516.23732@rti.rti.org> wgr@rti.rti.org writes:
>In article <6bgZ03gl591W00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>>The rules of the game are simple. You simply try to put together a team of 
>>stars, all of whom hail from the same state... being born there is not a 
>>requirement but they have to have played at least their high-school ball there. 
>>	North Carolina  
>>	Starter 		Backup
>>Center  Daugherty?		S. Williams
>>PF	Bailey			Reid
>>SF	Worthy			
>>SG	Jordan			
>>PG	?????			Bogues? 
>
>JR Reid played his high school ball in Virginia.  Thurl Bailey and Muggsy
>are both from the DC metro area, and Scott Williams is from the LA area.  
>All these guys came to North Carolina for college, but by my understanding
>of your rules they don't count.
>
>Some other guys who *did* play high school ball in North Carolina:
>    Walter Davis
>    Sleepy Floyd
>    Kenny Gattison
>    Danny Manning
>    Nate McMillan
>    Rodney Rogers (currently at Wake Forest)
>    Delaney Rudd
>    Charles Shackleford
>    Mitchell Wiggins
>    Dominique Wilkins
>    Buck Williams
>    Kenny Williams
>    Danny Young
>
>So here's my team from NC:
>
>       Starters                       Backups
>C   Brad Daugherty      Charles Shackleford  Kenny Gattison
>PF  Buck Williams       Danny Manning        Rodney Rogers
>SF  James Worthy        Dominique Wilkins
>SG  Michael Jordan      Walter Davis
>PG  Nate McMillan       Danny Young


I knew some NC faithful woudl set me straight on this.. THIS is one helluva 
team!!!!

-- 
Ronnie
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I'm not cynical... I just don't believe in anything....
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Talk about bias... (was Re: game decided on last play)
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:18:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Aug13.201651.18276@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>Meeks 16th lie: article #16 post-stop
>
>>In article <1992Aug12.220601.23011@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>
>>Same with the rest of their team (Laimbeer, etc..). 
>So? how many superstars did they have before the Bad Boys era? Name them.
>I couldn't.

I assume you mean only in the early 80s, because otherwise names like 
Dave Bing, Dave DeBusschere, Bob Lanier come to mind.  In the early 80s, like
83-86, Laimbeer was an AllStar, getting 1000+ rebounds and about 17+ppg.  
-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
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From: nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan)
Subject: Re: Shoe teams
Organization: ^$
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:13:10 GMT

In article <Bt8nMr.936@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>
>
>	Reebok:  Dee Brown, Dennis Rodman, Horace Grant, Reggie Lewis,
>	and many others?
>
>	LA Gear:  Hakeem Olajuwon, Shaquille O'Neal, Karl Malone 
>	(and of course, good old Kareem)
>
     Move Shaq to Reebok. His LA Gear deal fell through, I believe. I have
   read that Reebok will be introducing a new "Shaq shoe" line soon. I wonder
   if you'll be able to get a smaller size than 20something?  :)



>
>	Feel free to add to the list.  Any comments?  From 1st glance,
>	it would appear that LA Gear would have the inside game hands down.
>
>	Jazzy J
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Angola
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1992Aug20.053252.26756@bilby.cs.uwa.edu.au>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:23:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.053252.26756@bilby.cs.uwa.edu.au> kim@kowari.uwa.oz.au (Kim Shearer) writes:

   In article 12822@oracle.us.oracle.com, rpierce@oracle.com (Russell Pierce) writes:

[funny angola post deleted]

   >	Oh yeah, I believe you!!  Great teams are not intimidated by physical
   >	play.  This reminds me of an old Cliche 'excuses are like assholes,
   >	everyone has them and they all stink'.
   >
   >		Russ 'suckered into a response due to boredom' Pierce


     Truly great teams do not resort to dirty play.

     An elbow behind the play is hardly "physical play", it is pathetic.


The Bulls were clearly a great team this year and last.  The Bulls clearly
had at least a few occasions of 'rough play' that rivaled Charles love tap (I
personally liked (yeah, right) the dumping isiah got early in the season from
Jordon).  So you clearly don't know what you are talking about.  Why don't
you watch a bit of the best, i.e. the NBA, before you comment on how great
teams play?

Its so sad to see that this level of ignorance exists among so many
Australian posters.  Fortunately, as we have recently learned from a few
specific posts, its hardly universal down under.


Bill
--
-------------------------------
	Bill Mangione-Smith
	billms@eecs.umich.edu
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: For What It's Worth
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:46:57 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Aug20.172006.11568@rchland.ibm.com>, rssmith@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Rick Smith) writes:
> The San Antonio Spurs free agent guard Matt Othick to a contract.
> Othick was the starting point guard for the Arizona Wildcats last
> season, averaging 10.5 points/5.2 assists.

Well, the contract isn't binding unless he makes the final cut. From what
I've heard, the Spurs intend to carry 5 guards into the season. They
currently have 4 signed (not counting this pseudo-contract to Othick)
and are in negotiations with their second round draft pick. If he signs,
I doubt you'll see Matt around for long. I'd say he has a 5 in 100
chance of being on the bench when the season starts.


			gln


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From: rda446x@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (S.A. Mccoy)
Subject: Re: Aussie efforts
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 02:29:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.155154.1@uncavx.unca.edu> strauss@uncavx.unca.edu writes:
>The Aussies could not have beaten the dream team: they refused
>to get on the same court as Magic!

This is incorrect.  Phil Smyth expressed a desire to not have to play againist
an American team that included MAGIC.  The rest of the team althought perhaps a
little aprehensive(sic) about playing MAGIC,(fear of being thrashed?)  would 
have generally considered it an honour to be on the same court as MAGIC.  I 
don't know how the press in America covered this issue but it seemed from 
Australia that one players views were taken to be the whole teams view and that
instead of expressing a concern about contracting HIV that he was quoted as 
saying he would refuse to play.  The rest of the team would have played anyway.

Anyway why have all these people come up with these amazing excuses for losing 
to the "Dream Team"(Minus Hakeem), I sincerly hope these articles are all jokes.
The original one posted by that Australian guy was very funny, execpt the end
sounded like he was beening serious.

Also with the NBA & NFL starting to play games overseas in preseason and at the 
start of the year is there any plans at present to hold a game in Australia, I 
am sure it would be a sell-out, even if it was the Timberwolves.


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From: terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Re: Detlef talks trade
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 23:52:38 GMT

In article <Bt1CvH.2FK@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jdm42241@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John D. Mraz) writes:
|> It was reported 2 days ago in the Chicago Tribune that Detlef Schrempf
|> of the Indiana Pcaers is demanding that his contract be restructured or
|> else be traded.  He currently is in the fourth year of a 10-year guaranteed
|> contract, paying him $1.2 million this year. Rik Smits, Reggie Miller and
|> Chuck Person are paid more than he. Detlef averaged 17 points and 9 rebounds
|> per game last year.  GM Donnie Walsh says the team has no intentions of
|> trading him, and won't restructure the contract as the team is at its 
|> salary cap limit.
|>     As a Pacers fan, I think Detlef is justified in  his complaints, but
|>     needs to realize the salary cap limitations. If Indiana wanted to trade
|>     him, they could get an awful lot for him. I'm still upset the Pacers
|>     haven't made any moves to help the team.


I can understand Schrempf's unhappiness, but a contract is a contract.  One
thing I will say in Schrempf's defense is that many other teams have 
restructured a contract to keep a star player happy.  I think it is 
in management's interest to show other players that they will be rewarded
if they play well.  As well, management usually has no qualms about
asking a player to restructure his contract downward when that player is
not doing well.  Schrempf is definitely underpaid by relative standards.  

Indiana's complaint about the salary cap is only partially justifiable.
Indiana can increase Schrempf's contract by any amount and not violate
salary cap laws.  However, this will limit their moves in the future.

Increasing Schrempf's contract may or may not affect his tradeability,
depending on what he is traded for.  If he is traded for a draft pick,
then only teams under the salary cap by the amount of Schrempf's contract
can pick him up.  Thus, his relatively low contract would allow more
teams to trade for him. If he is traded for another player or players, then
Indiana will be limited in what they can accept in return for Schrempf.
That is the combined salaries of the other players they get in return 
can only be $1.2 million.  Thus, the best they could hope for in return
would be a draft pick and a young player who was not drafted too highly.
If they wanted a star player in return they would either have to trade
Schrempf and another player, or first raise Schremf's contract to match
that of the other player's.  This is another example of the intricate
maneuvering G.M.'s must do to enable trades under the salary cap.

				Terry Wong
				terry@garfield
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: The Ed and Dave show + Clippers news
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:26:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: what.. me.. organized?


I usually subsribe to r.s.b.p during the NBA season only. Feeling
bored [Bush is speaking his usual crap], decided to check in on
whats going on here, only to find Meeks and Lor still at it. sheez..
reminds me of that movie where Barkely and Laimber go at it at the
slightest opportunity.

Clipper news: Charles Smith is an unhappy camper. A very unhappy
camper. He signed a 1-year $1.25M contract and he said that he was
out of there next year. He didn't want to sign a big multi-year
contract only to find himself traded for a center [which the Clips
need desperately]. He is no longer a very attractive trade proposition 
since he will become a full free-agent.

Hello Mr. West.. meet Mr. Smith, next year?


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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 07:26:07 EDT
From: <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: The All "Home-State" Team?
 <BsvzI5.LBy@news.cso.uiuc.edu>

In article <BsvzI5.LBy@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
says:
>
>ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>
>>       Florida
>>       Starter                 Backup
>>Center  Darryl Dawkins (who else? still the best FLA has produced)
>>                               Mychal Thompson
>>PF     Douglas Edwards         Livingston Chatman
>>SF     George McCloud          (The kid from Miami who went to LSU )
>                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                                Is this Tito Horford you're talking about?
>
>>SG     Vernon Maxwell          Andrew Moten
>>PG     Chris Corchianni        Ronnie Montgomery
>
>>       North Carolina
>>       Starter                 Backup
>>Center  Daugherty?             S. Williams
>>PF     Bailey                  Reid
>>SF     Worthy
>>SG     Jordan
>>PG     ?????                   Bogues?
>
>        Some of these guys weren't from North Carolina.  Scott Williams
>        is from out in California, and JR Reid is from Virginia.  Are U
>        defining college ball as qualification?
>
>        Here's an all-Kentucky team:
>
>        C -- Mel Turpin
>        F -- Jack Givens
>        F -- Winston Bennett
>        G -- Darrell Griffith
>        G -- Allan Houston
>
>        Or what about an all-Lexington team:
>        C -- Turpin (Bryan Station)
>        F -- Givens (Bryan Station)
>        F -- Frank Kornet (Lexington Catholic)
>        G -- Dirk Minniefield (Lafayette)
>        G -- Sean Sutton (Henry Clay)
>        G -- Darrin Horn (Tates Creek)
>        G -- Darnell Burton (Dunbar)   * - will probably turn out to be
>                                           the best of this group.
>
>        Jazzy J>
>>--
>>Ronnie
>>-------------------------------------------------------------
>>I'm not cynical... I just don't believe in anything....
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     I don't know who you can have an "All-HOme State" team from Kentucky
without having Hall of Famer WESLEY UNSELD on the team. The man was born, bred
and played college ball in Louisville!  Mel Turpin?  Even Pervis Ellison should
be over him at the center position.  But Wes is the Man!!!!!!
From: baker2668@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bird is retiring
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:24:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: iscsvax.1992Aug19.092441.6117
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <93973@bu.edu>, sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn) writes:
> Well, the fanspoll question on Ch. 56 this Saturday showed that 40(!)%
> of callers thought he SHOULD retire and a significant numbers of other callers
> if not thought so, then knew it was destined  to happen. So I think the
> radio callers were representative of a small group who are not only convinced
> the team needs Bird, but sincerely believed he could keep on playing.

Wow, these Boston fans have some real insight.  I would say that every
basketball player is *destined* to retire at some time.  Unless, people
expected Bird to play until he collapsed on the court.  (and in a sense that is
a retirement of another sort)    :-)

BBB
once again:    :-)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: ellie@ora.com (Ellie Cutler)
Subject: Re: LARRY
Organization: O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:05:13 GMT

In article <18AUG92.17145076@vax.clarku.edu> rsmall@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>
>   LARRY BIRD has just retired, He will be an assistant coach with the Boston
>Celtics.
>
He will NOT coach - wants no part of it.  He will be Dave Gavitt's 
"special assistant" - rather undefined, but basically will be called in
for various projects like scouting, and representing the team at
various events.  

To answer another question, Bird's retirement frees up about 1.5 million
on the payroll.
-- 
        Ellie Cutler

        ellie@ora.com               
        uunet!ora!ellie
From: jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: American Pride - Jordan!
Date: 12 Aug 92 03:31:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Aug12.033146.15049
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix

bloom@inland.com writes:

>It makes me proud to be an American now that Jordan will refuse to wear 
>Reebock.  Don't you guys realize that it is more patriotic to wear 
>Nike.  Betsy Ross used to work for Joe Nike's great great great grandfather.
>Seriously though, why should I care if Jordan won't wear Reebock?  I 
>would rather not see *ANY* corporate logos - sponsors at the Olympics. 
>Only an idiot would think that Jordan and Sir Charles are being unpatriotic 
>or unAmerican or selfish for not wishing to advertise for Reebock.  The 
>Olympics have been commercialized by Reebock and it is not unpatriotic 
>to reject that corporate sponsor.

That's your viewpoint.  My viewpoint is that I'd much rather see Nike
and Reebok pick up the tab for the Olympics.  I really don't give a damn
whether the people in something like kayaking can afford to go to the
Olympics or not.  I didn't ask them to devote their lives, or parts of
their lives, to that.  If they choose to, fine.  But don't expect me to
pay for it. 

I don't think that winning gold medals demonstrates the superiority of 
one culture over another.  If it did, we should start emulating the
Unified team, since they won more medals than the US did, particularly
more gold medals.  And I think the Olympic people are ridiculous: pros
in all sports are welcome now except pro boxers.

Why?  Because the Olympic people are aware that sooner or later there is
going to be a world championship in baseball, basketball, maybe even
football.  They want to protect their "franchise" as the best thing for
an athlete to win.  I think Charles Barkley was right on when he was
talking about why the NBA wanted the pros to go: so that the NBA would
have muscle in dealing with USA basketball, FIBA, and the Olympic
people.  All these people have their turf, and they're going to defend
it as best they can.

Most of pro boxing is a cesspool, and it's a dangerous sport that injures 
way too many people for life.  But they should be saying "we'll let 
fighters in, but they have to wear headgear in their other matches, too".

--
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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Say what? was Re: Australias would heve beaten dream team
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:03:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.154337.9900@uvmark.uucp>
davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
...
>Why am I even responding to this...
 
I can't believe you said that! Since when do you ever *not* respond? ;-)
 
--Eric
PS I wonder what Dave will say to this one! ;^)
From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Debunking the standard myth was Re: Couple of thoughts..
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:05:37 GMT
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC

In article <M1WCC00.92Aug17112846@mcfss2.fed.frb.gov> m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov (Wayne C. Cook) writes:
>Develop their ability to jump the way blacks do?  This is the crux of the
>problem here.  You cannot develop an ability to jump past a point that is 
>your limit.  You can improve your technique if it was flawed to begin with.
>But that's it.  You're gonna jump as high as you were genetically designed
>to and after that, you can kill yourself trying and not make much difference.
>You could probably use certain training methods to increase a small percentage.
>But blacks that jump well don't do this.  They just naturally jump.  Boing.

Do you have any evidence at all backing up this statement?  Is there any
scientific data involving kids who trained for jumping from an early age?
I'm not surprised that an 16-year-old young man is unable to increase his
jumping ability beyond a certain limit.  But what if the training started
much earlier?

It's like saying that certain kids are genetically destined to be less
intelligent than others, without looking into differences in prenatal care
and diet and environment in the first few months after birth.  It's not
that easy to separate the effects of genetics and environment -- the old
nature vs. nurture debate.

Maybe the black folks you refer to who "just naturally jump" spent more
time, on the average, running and jumping when they were young children.
Maybe that early training has more to do with how high they jump as adults
than their genes do.

It may be true that different people have different "genetic ceilings" on
how high they can jump.  But until you can quote a study -- perferably
involving identical twins who took part in different activities from a
very early age -- your statement is just an opinion with nothing to back
it up.