HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: andr@elvis.sovusa.com (Andrei Arkhipov)
Subject: Re: Adding PS fonts to Newsprint2.0
Reply-To: andr@elvis.sovusa.com
Organization: ELVIS Corp.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:28:05 GMT

In article 43994@sdcc12.ucsd.edu, ps296au@sdcc4.ucsd.edu (Steven Cobb) writes:
>I've been having a rough time trying to figure out how to add a
>postscript font (not the F3 type) for use with newsprint and a
>SPARCprinter.  Has any one been able to do this?  This is a
>home-spun font that works fine on a laserwriter and another cannon
>ps printer.  
>I have tried to just download it first, but there is no
>"memory" thus is lost when I print a doc that references the font.
>There seems to be many PS fonts in the $OPENWINHOME/lib/fonts dir,
>but these are also not available to the printer.
>
>Any help is greatly appreciated,

Hello.

If you`ll receive any answer would you please to resend it for me?
I tried to send direct mail but it was bounced back, sorry.

Thank you,
       Andrei.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: hiren@mtu.edu (Hiren Shah)
Subject: Mac on Suns ? LIKEN ???
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:49:38 GMT
X-Posted-From: teksun.teknetix.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


Hi:
 
I am told that there is a package called LIKEN that lets you emulate 
a Macintosh on a Sun. Does anybody have more information on it ?
 
Any suggestions/phone numbers/ would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance
 
Hiren
 
please reply to hiren@teknetix.com
From: philb@cats.ucsc.edu (Philip Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: FPUless 4/110's (was: Re: Solaris 2 vs Windows NT: ...)
Date: 26 Jan 93 09:46:27 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


aad@siemens.com (Anthony A. Datri) writes:
>>I don't remember whether Sun left out *all* the chips, or just the
>>Weitek chips, in an FPUless machine.

>For the 4/110, I'm moderately sure it was the whole daughterboard.  Since
>that board held a lot, I'd tend to believe that the whole thing was on
>the daughterboard.

Not in my revision board. I have two sockets for those square chip things
(weitek 1165 and 1164) on the main board itself.

>>Or try writing code that fetches the FPSR, and see what the FPU version
>>number is.  If it's 7, you have no FPU.

Waitaminit.. I thought version 0 would be no fpu??!!!

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From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Are SUN CDs still ufs or are the new ones ISO9660????
Date: 23 Jan 1993 13:46:43 -0500
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, New Jersey, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: plts.uucp
Keywords: SUN CD ufs ISO9660

In <16499@auspex-gw.auspex.com> guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) writes:

>CDs not from Sun come in whatever format the vendor of the CD wanted to
>use.

What Guy is trying to politely say, is that when you get SunOS on CD
from Sun, you get either RR format which you might not be able to
handle, or tar files which are a *bitch* to handle.

However, SunOS CD's from Auspex come as a ufs disk.  So if
you accidently zap one file, you can mount the disk and grab the one
file, rather than futzing with tar and other programs.

Tom
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: mo@mg.stu.rpi.edu (Monish Gopinath)
Subject: Read if you work for the MIS dept. 
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:49:39 GMT

I am trying to get some information on the issue of security in a MIS  
department for a paper I'm writing.

	(1) Is security an issue?
	(2) Why or why not?
	(3) How is it addressed in the dept.?
	(4) How is it implemented?

If you can give me any other information related to security I would  
appreciate it.
P.S. Could you include the size of your MIS dept. and (if you don't mind)  
the name of the organization you work for. Thank you.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony A. Datri)
Subject: Re: Solaris 2 vs Windows NT: Sun is losing the desktop on price
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:22:25 GMT

>The Sun-3s had several different compiler options for no-FPU machines,
>machines with a 68881, machines with the Sun FPA, and for programs that
>should figure out at run time which option they had.

Curiously enough, -fswitch seems to generate code that was *slower* than
-fsoft code on a machine with a 68881, and slower than -f68881 on machines
that have one.  I just built everything with -fsoft unless I found something
that got a significant boost from the 68881.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters)
Subject: Re: SuperSparc and 690/MP
Organization: Computing Center, Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:18:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.213858.25187@dcc.uchile.cl> jpiquer@dcc.uchile.cl (Jo Piquer) says:
: 
: 
: We have three Sun 690/MP with four processors each, running 4.1.2
: 
: We have a CPU upgrade to SuperSparc included, and the question is:
: Can we replace the CPU chips without changing to Solaris 2 ? 
: Currently I have two answers: 
: One version is OK, no problem.
: The other is NO, there is no 4.1.2 sun4m support for SuperSparc. Any experiences?

The second answer is correct but may not answer your question completely.
Basically, there are four SuperSparc 690 systems available:

690-30, one processor, can run SunOS 4.1.3
690-41, one processor, can run SunOS 4.1.3
690-52, two processors, can run SunOS 5.1 (in Solaris 2.1)
690-54, four processors, can run SunOS 5.1 (in Solaris 2.1)

Note that SuperSparc support was introduced in 4.1.3...which is very
little different from 4.1.2 (bug fixes and support for some new
systems).

But your "upgrade to SuperSparc" is probably one of the latter two so
you'll probably need to run Solaris 2.1 to use it.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: graaff@IS.TWI.TUDelft.NL (Hans de Graaff)
Subject: Re: Can "normal" users mount under Solaris
Reply-To: graaff@IS.TWI.TUDelft.NL
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:02:31 GMT

In article 1@sdl.ug.eds.com, lorena@sdl.ug.eds.com () writes:
>the users here mount the floppy drive to transfer pc files - and want the same 
>utility on solaris machines.
>(we're at 2.1)

Why don't you try mtools. This doesn't let you mount the floppy, but it gives
you a set of commands to read, write and maintain a MSDOS formatted floppy.
It compiled easily on Solaris, and you don't need to muck with root access.

Hans
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: eggert@twinsun.com (Paul Eggert)
Subject: Re: Solaris 2 vs Windows NT: Sun is losing the desktop on price
Organization: Twin Sun Inc, El Segundo, CA, USA
X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:17:36 GMT

fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters) writes:

>That AUD$100 gets you a copy of the distribution media.  It doesn't buy
>you the legal right to actually install it on any machines.  For that
>you need to buy a Right To Use License (RTU for short) for each
>system.  Which costs several hundreds of dollars ...

Not true.  New Sun workstations come bundled with a RTU, so you don't
have to pay a dime to run Solaris 2 on them.  No doubt the PC pricing
policies will be different, but let's not jump to premature conclusions.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: schmidt@PrakInf.TH-Ilmenau.DE (Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Amusing Sun Anecdote
Reply-To: schmidt@PrakInf.TH-Ilmenau.DE (Schmidt)
Organization: Technische Hochschule Ilmenau
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 15:16:33 GMT

In article <derosa.726880710@marble>, derosa@rtsg.mot.com (John DeRosa) writes:
[ ... ]
|> 
|> THE PROBLEM WAS THAT THE FILE CONTAINED THE TEXT;
|> 
|> "Permission Denied"
|> 

Here is a similar one:

	%ls -l *.c >& dir.ls
	%cat *.ls
	No match. 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: chrisc@biggus.moron.vware.mn.org (Chris Cox  W0/G4JEC)
Subject: Re: Help with serial port & 8bits
Organization: Twin Cities Metro Area Network, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 01:55:47 GMT

popineau@tintin.ese-metz.fr (Fabrice Popineau) writes:
> 
>         :ap@:p8:ms=pass8:tc=9600-baud:
> 
> and in /etc/ttytab
> 
> ttya    "/usr/etc/getty D9600"          dialup          on remote
> 
> but when I connect with my PC on the modem (telix, mlink, kermit, ...)
> the line is in strange state, but not in 8bits, no parity.

Did you then issue a kill -1 1 command as root, to reinitialise init?
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters)
Subject: Re: Solaris 2 vs Windows NT: Sun is losing the desktop on price
Organization: Computing Center, Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:44:00 GMT

In article <C19G06.8Gv@ra.nrl.navy.mil> tse@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Anthony Tse) says:
: In article <1993Jan22.143534.18578@ra.msstate.edu> fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters) writes:
: >The subject line lead me to the idea that we were basically discussing 
: >SunOS on PCs.  Under that restriction my statement above is completely
: >accurate.
: 
:    Why would anyone in their right mind run SunOS on a PC (at least
: not until the alpha PC, and only if it's as good as claimed) when
: a Sun with the TI chip can be had for under $4k.

Hell if I know.  Because they already have the PC perhaps?

I'm not advocating anything.  I was just trying to clarify what you do and
don't get for the $100 cost of a Solaris CD.
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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: FPUless Sun-3's (was Re: Solaris 2 vs Windows NT...)
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:37:28 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>Curiously enough, -fswitch seems to generate code that was *slower* than
>-fsoft code on a machine with a 68881, and slower than -f68881 on machines
>that have one.

Nothing particularly curious about that - "-fswitch" generated code that
called library routines that checked what kind of FP hardware you had -
on *every* call - and then called the appropriate routine, while
"-fsoft" generated code that called library routines that did FP in
software.  "-f68881", of course, generated code that used the 68881
directly....
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: eggert@twinsun.com (Paul Eggert)
Subject: Re: Solaris 2 vs Windows NT: Sun is losing the desktop on price
Organization: Twin Sun Inc, El Segundo, CA, USA
X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:31:17 GMT

In <1993Jan22.143534.18578@ra.msstate.edu> Frank Peters writes:

	The subject line lead me to the idea that we were basically discussing 
	SunOS on PCs.  Under that restriction my statement above is completely
	accurate.

Huh?  Here is that statement again.
In <1993Jan21.235025.6322@ra.msstate.edu> Peters writes:

	In article <1993Jan21.114542.29767@fulcrum.oz.au> paulr@fulcrum.oz.au
	(Paul Rosham) says:

		dank@cco.caltech.edu (Daniel R. Kegel) writes:

			whereas Solaris 2 is priced at $1000 or so.

		The Solaris 2.1 CD-ROM for SPARCstations in AUSTRALIA is
		AUD$100. That's about USD$67 at today's exchange rate (I don't
		know what the US list is).  With OpenWindows for $0.00.  Where
		do you get the $1000 from?

	That AUD$100 gets you a copy of the distribution media.  It doesn't buy
	you the legal right to actually install it on any machines.  For that
	you need to buy a Right To Use License (RTU for short) for each
	system.  Which costs several hundreds of dollars (US$600 leaps to mind
	but that is probably for 4.1.3).

Rosham was clearly talking about AUD$100 for a _Sparcstation_ CD-ROM.
So if that statement about ``several hundreds of dollars'' was meant to
refer only to PCs, then it was made in a very misleading context.

Besides, that statement is inaccurate even if it is meant to refer only to PCs,
since the PC pricing policies haven't been set yet.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: detlev@dbha.toppoint.de (Detlev Habicht)
Subject: Re: Boot Tapes on a SPARC
Organization: TOPPOINT Mailbox e.V.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 07:18:36 GMT

karl@bagpuss.demon.co.uk (karl) writes:

>Is it possible to make a SunOS boot tape for a Sparc IPC/IPX, so that I can
>reload the OS without requiring a CD?  I know that this is no longer supported,
>so I guess my question is does anyone know the format of the boot tapes that
>it would boot from?

>Thanks.

I have the same question for a few weeks here. No one answers. I found only
a special tool to duplicate tapes.

Detlev
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.unix.solaris
From: ejk@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu (Ed Kubaitis - CCSO)
Subject: esp0: Target 4 now Synchronous at 3.572...
Organization: University of Illinois - Urbana
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:53:06 GMT
Keywords: 
 
   |esp0: Target 4 now Synchronous at 3.572 mb/s max transmit rate

At 4.1.3 an 8500-to-8500 8mm tcopy on a 690MP fills /usr/adm/messages and
renders the console unusable with jillions of these *worthless* messages.

Is this fixed at solaris 2.1?
 
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Computing & Communications Services Office - University of Illinois, Urbana
From: narad@Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck Narad - Diver/Adventurer/Engineer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: SMD drives on a 670 server
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:07:30 GMT
Reply-To: narad@Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: SMCC Architecture Group
NNTP-Posting-Host: nonsequitur


SMD drives are no longer supported, starting with the 600MP family.

I believe that you can contract with Sun's Special Projects Engineering
for this support, but you will be better off moving to modern SCSI drives
which are faster, denser etc.  If you insist on the Specials path, try
your salescritter for information.

regards,
chas/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: rthau@qualix.com (Rick Thau)
Subject: Re: software retailer in CA?
Reply-To: rthau@qualix.com
Organization: QUALiX Group, Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:59:37 GMT

Tsuji,

We are the largest provider of Unix Software for workstations in the
US. Many of our customers are outside the US, and we have provided applications
to Sun in Japan.

Please provide a mailing address so we can send you a copy of our latest
Buyers Guide.  You may send email to the info@qualix.com address for specific
kinds of questions, or use the mail server to obtain selected information directly.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted
From: ytsuji@cfi.waseda.ac.jp ("Y.Tsuji")
Subject: software retailer in CA?
X-Nntp-Posting-Host: zoo.cfi.waseda.ac.jp
Organization: Shagaku, WASEDA University, Tokyo
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:37:41 GMT

Hi,
I am looking for a retail shop of Unix software application, particularly
those tuned for SUNs. Do you know any that operates on the Pacific coast?
 I once heard of Unix Connection of Sunnyvale, but the firm seems to have
closed down. (Unix Connection was mentioned in SunExpert only a year ago
as one of the very few unix software retailers.)

Thanks.
Tsuji



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: Axel.Eble@IMBI.Uni-Freiburg.DE (Axel Eble)
Subject: VT320 emulation
Content-Type: text/plain
 charset=iso-8859-1
Reply-To: Axel.Eble@IMBI.Uni-Freiburg.DE (Axel Eble)
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Organization: Albert-Ludwigs-Universitaet Freiburg, Germany
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 15:02:15 GMT
MIME-Version: 1.0

Hi Netters,

we are looking for a terminal emulation package like kermit
for Unix that is capable of emulating at least a vt 320.

Any help out there?

Regards,
	Axel
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.sys.sun.apps
From: erude@antioch.acns.nwu.edu (Erick Rudiak)
Subject: Help setting up HP Laserjet
Keywords: HP, LaserJet, printing
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:04:18 GMT

	I have an old HP LaserJet 2686A that I am trying to get to print from a SparcIPC, and
 I am having this pesky problem.  I have tried many things (both conventional and weird) in
 the printcap file, and nothing seems to be working.  Here's the problem:  it is willing to
 print out the first page asked of it, but it will only print out the first couple lines. 
 Not only that,   but it prints those lines way off to the right side of the page.  All other
 pages come out blank until I restart /usr/lib/lpd, after which it will once again print a
 few lines off to the right of the first page, followed by all blanks.  

	HP tech and printer support have been unable to help me (they suggested I check the
 DIP switches, which were all set correctly).  If you have a system like this set up, or know
 what black magic I must weave to get it to work, I would be most grateful to share in your
 wisdom.  Thanks.

-- Erick
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From: dryfo001@deneb.mc.duke.edu (James D Dryfoos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Making PC-NFS work with Packet driver or Novell ODI?
Date: 28 Jan 93 21:23:21 GMT
Reply-To: dryfo001@deneb.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke University Medical Center


How deos one make PC-NFS work withthe Packet driver or Novell's ODI?

Thanks in advance,

--Jim


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: tan@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (David Tan,Box 219 Baker Lab,54810,2720402)
Subject: Thanks for replies re: 1/4" tape drive
Originator: tan@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:34:21 GMT

Thanks to all those who replied via email concerning my 1/4" tape drive 
question.  It's been a great help.

Email here is down (again!) so I'm posting this.

Dave

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: paulr@fulcrum.oz.au (Paul Rosham)
Subject: Re: Solaris 2 vs Windows NT: Sun is losing the desktop on price
Organization: The Fulcrum Consulting Group
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:11:09 GMT

Being a bit sick of this thread, and having been lightly toasted for my
(probably ill chsen words and incorrect replies), I thought that I would
start at the beginning...

dank@cco.caltech.edu (Daniel R. Kegel) writes:
>One big difference between Windows and Solaris 2 is cost;
>Windows is CHEAP, and Solaris 2 is EXPENSIVE.
>Even Windows NT is CHEAP- the beta CD release is basically free ($100),
>whereas Solaris 2 is priced at $1000 or so.

Solaris 2 is not expensive on Suns. It may well cost USD$1000 for the Intel
machines, but pricing is not final, and the product is not shipping to end
users yet.

Neither is NT.

Windows/NT beta CD costs USD$100, but the end-user release of Solaris 2.1 for
Sun costs less than that. This is a fairly irrelevant point.

>CAD tools are also much cheaper for Windows- in the case of the Model
>Technologies VHDL simulator, the Windows product is $2500, the Solaris
>1 product is $10,000.  I believe the software vendors are following
>Sun's lead on this- since the OS is expensive, only people with lots of
>money buy it, and the 3rd party tools are priced accordingly.

Software for Sun/Solaris/OpenWindows costs more than Intel/MS-DOS/MS-Windows.
Workstations are more expensive than PCs generally, because:
	1) It costs more to produce/distribute/sell them
	2) Smaller market
	3) More functionality

If you don't think that workstations are better than MS-DOS and MS-Windows,
please hit 'n'. This is a needless argument.

>It is getting harder and harder to justify buying tools for the Sun
>rather than for the PC.  I have been a devoted user of Sun
>workstations, but their hardware and software are simply becoming a
>poor buy compared to the competition.

If a PC suits your task, go for it! If you find PCs inadequate, and you are
stuck with UNIX :-), then until more people buy workstations, things will be
more expensive.

>Wake up, Sun!  Are you listening?
>Cut your software prices before it's too late! 
>At the very least, introduce an entry-level version of the OS for $200, or you
>will be TOAST.
>- Dan Kegel (dank@cco.caltech.edu) 

Sun are awake and listening. Software is priced against the perceived
competition. Sun do not see PCs as the competition. I'm not Sun, and I can't
tell you the reason, but sit and compare the two platforms, and you will see
why workstation users don't by PCs and vice versa.

Solaris for x86 will not cost USD$200, most probably. If you think it will,
then you are deluded. SunSoft _HAVE_ to make money from this. A certain level
of distribution and support will be included with the product. A 3 tier
selling model will be used. People need to get paid for their work.

-PaulR.
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