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From: aahz@netcom.com (Aahzmandius)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Can we can the suck-up bit?
Keywords: encourage friendship?
Date: 1 Sep 92 02:17:15 GMT
Organization: Bill 'n' Opus for Prez

In article <1992Aug31.183938.25374@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
>
>I'd like to offer a hearty suggetion that we shitcan this "suck-up" noise.
>What, if someone who happens to be male compliments the posts of someone
>who happens to be female, this is sucking up?
>
>I see it as a refreshing change to flame wars.  As long as they don't get
>carried away, like something out of alt.romance, what's wrong with a person
>complimenting another person's thoughts or ideas?  I can see why people would
>be leary now of openly agreeing with or even defending someone's position.

I think that one of the characteristics that has (generally) kept me
from getting flamed is the fact that I (usually) don't post too much,
and that there's a good balance between serious and silly.  Remember
that soc.singles is a *soc*ial group, and we need our moments of high
drama, low-brow comedy, and all other forms of entertainment as well.

I like the "suckup" shtik because, IMHO, it is a relatively gentle way
of poking fun at someone here.

You're perfectly free to get annoyed with this kind of stupid side-band
chatter, but do realize that merely by voicing a negative opinion you
tend to increase the lifetime of these kinds of threads.
-- 
                         --- Aahz (the *other* Dan Bernstein)
                             @netcom.com 

Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6

So much Astroglide.  So little time.
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: Cindy has given my life meaning.
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:15:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.152406.9220@walter.cray.com> cfg@cray.com (Cindy Glass) writes:
>
>A used car/shoe lot / real-estate business.  (Sorry - did you say that
>you *used* to play high school football??)  

SNORK
 
>
>As to the 'babes', would this be those who 'get better with age'?
 
Why of course. I can appreciate a more mature lady.
Especially if she has sisters.

 
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From: wjb@moscom.UUCP (Bill de Beaubien)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Las Vegas
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:38:11 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Moscom Corp., Pittsford, NY
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james.j.dutton (jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com) wrote:
:  
:  Deep feelings if I'm not mistaken.
:  Must be the Monk in me. Eh brother Walter?
:  Monks do it more profoundly.
:  

Hunh.  I thought monks did it with spirit. *shrug*
-- 
"Bless me, Father; I ate a lizard."
"Was it an abstinence day, and was it artificially prepared?"
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Bill de Beaubien / wjb@moscom.com
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Film suggestions welcomed
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:25:28 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <37652@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:
|In article <14438@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
|+I don't recall if these were aus film either though I always think Austrailia
|+when recalling "The Gods Must Be Crazy" and "The Gods Must Be Crazy II".  They
|+are also extremely funny, the social commentary is quite prominant and the
|+much can be learned from these documentary style films about tribal culture. 
|
|Uh? Try South Africa. I don't recall that it was even made by a Aus.
|movie company, but then I didn't look a the credits that closely and
|it has been some time since I've seen either.
 
It's been awhile for me as well.  After beginning the article I figured
it was too good a movie not to plug whether it had anything to do with
Austrailia or not.
 
|(Hint: There aren't any Elephants out on the open range in Africa,
|and by the size of the Elephant's ears one can eliminate India.)

Were those elephants?  I thought that was a hyena.  The hyena scene is
typical of the movies.  It's dramatic, informative, and hilarious all
at once.  The scene of the little boys pissing off the back of the truck
are the same way.

-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Commitment--The C-word?
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:38:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Aug27.135049.15495@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
>In article <14303@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug26.135607.11981@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
>>>I edit james' post to be totally unrelated to his original idea:
>>>> Lets go get stinking drunk on tequila. ...
>> 
>>Getting stinking drunk on tequila is an original idea?  A good one maybe, but..
>
>No John.  Read the first two lines again, OK?  

If you insist.  All right I read them, now what?

-- 
+============================================================================++
| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
+============================================================================++
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: ewillims@unix1.tcd.ie (Emma Williams)
Subject: Re: Where the best posts come from
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:10:12 GMT

In <1992Aug31.145843.12719@walter.bellcore.com> walter (Walter Lego) writes:

>In article <1992Aug31.080547.3513@nwnexus.WA.COM> enigma@halcyon.com (Matt Luders) writes:
>>Keith Garrard writes:
>>
>>> A little note though, the most interesting posts come from "Angelwing".
>>
>>In my humble opinion, the most interesting posts come from stef@apple.com.
>>She's thoughtful, articulate, and witty--a clear, strong signal in a
>>cacophony of noise.
>>

>*SNORT* Emma gets my vote. The rest of the women just strut.

	I like Walter's posts.  They shine forth with his intelligence!
						(*GRIN*)
From: lana@magenta.corp.sgi.com (Lana Mountford)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Desperation (was Re: Commitment--The C-word?)
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:35:38 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <kiran.715393290@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle) writes:
|> lana@magenta.corp.sgi.com (Lana Mountford) writes:
|> 
|> >I tend to feel the same way.  "Need" implies (to me, anyway) a *lack* of
|> >something.  I'd rather feel that I'm spending time with someone (and he
|> >with me) because we *want* to be together, and that we add something to
|> >each others lives.
|> 
|> Um... well, it seems whatever you _add_ to each other's lives would be
|> lacking when you are not involved?

When I say "lack" in this context, I mean something that prevents me from
being whole.  Since I believe that I'm a "whole" person, I don't think I'm
really lacking anything.  Therefore, if I'm involved with someone, what
he brings to the party is ADDED BENEFIT.  If I'm not involved, I'm still a
whole person.  Sure, it would be "lacking" in the sense that it wouldn't be
there anymore, but that doesn't diminish ME as a person.

The point I'm trying to make, I think, is that there are some people who
honestly believe they are not whole persons unless they have a MOTAS in
their lives.  They will do anything (just about) to make sure they are in
some kind of relationship at all times, even to the point of staying in a
bad one because they really believe that they can't be "whole" without a
relationship.  I don't happen to feel that way.  
-- 

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|   / /  __    ___    __     | Silicon Graphics  
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Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle)
Subject: Re: Desperation (was Re: Commitment--The C-word?)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:56:56 GMT

lana@magenta.corp.sgi.com (Lana Mountford) writes:

>The point I'm trying to make, I think, is that there are some people who
>honestly believe they are not whole persons unless they have a MOTAS in
>their lives.  They will do anything (just about) to make sure they are in
>some kind of relationship at all times, even to the point of staying in a
>bad one because they really believe that they can't be "whole" without a
>relationship.  I don't happen to feel that way.  

Do you think there's something wrong with people who feel that they
(or their lives) are not complete without a (happy) relationship?
-- 
Kiran Wagle     <kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>     (812) 335-0420
From: randy@elk.imagen.com (randy scofield)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Las Vegas
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:12:01 GMT
Reply-To: randy@elk.imagen.com (randy scofield)
Organization: imagen

ross@zooid.guild.org (Ross Ridge) complains about people who enjoy mountains 
>>johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>>Lifeless?  Your kidding, right?  How much time have you actually spent in
>>the Rockies? 
>I'm talking about when someone points large snow capped hunk of granite
>and says, "Oooooo, how beautiful."  To me it's just a lifeless hunk of rock.
>I don't think you'll even find much lichen where they're pointing.
I better not let my pet rock read your postings.  It might get pissed off.  :-)
Since when is life required for beauty anyway?  I bet you really hate art galleries.
>The mountains simply don't add anything for me, I'd rather get away from
>it all in some place where all I can see from horizon to horizon are trees.
>Now to me, that's a beautiful sight.
>
>							Ross Ridge
I love trees too.  They brings to mind the Northern West Coast.  When my family moved down here
from Canada in 1963, I was in total awe of the beautiful trees.  Last summer when I was driving up
to the Calgary Stampede I was horrified.  Horizon to horizon of tree stumps.  Arrrrrg!

But my point is...lets see....oh yea.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  Don`t concern yourself with the fact others find
things beuatiful that you do not.
-- 
Disclaimer:  Who me?  I never said that!  Sheesh.....
From: diamond@acpub.duke.edu (Elizabeth Abrams)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Desperation (was Re: Commitment--The C-word?)
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:12:17 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Sep1.171709.19079@walter.bellcore.com> nobody writes:
>Hmm... "Hungry, broke female looking for a dinner companion". Not quite the
>same ring. It is all in the phrasing, I guess.

If someone around here knew of a good place for wings, I'd probably hock
one of my parrots and buy some!  I'm broke, but I'm also awfully tired 
of peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.  (And of eating alone)!

>You must differentiate the self-sufficiency while initiating mating rituals
>from self-sufficiency after successful mating. Seems like reasonable neediness
>is tolerated and encouraged at the latter stage while discouraged at the
>former stage. I think single men and women are victims of their own rules.
>
>						Walter
>
>What disclaimer?

I've always thought that the kind of neediness which is undesirable is the kind
that implies that the person doesn't particularly need *you* and that any
warm, marginally attractive person could fill your shoes.  (I guess
what I'm referring to is the difference between being desperate to meet
the right person and being desperate to meet anyone at all that's been talked
about around here).  This kind of neediness is probably unwelcome at any
phase of a relationship.  However, I suspect you're right that a certain
amount of dependency is expected to develop rather than be present right
at the start.  
	
					Diamond (or Beth)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: allisson@turing.toronto.edu (H. Allisson Roome)
Subject: Re: Bananas 
Organization: Some and growing
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:17:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.211755.26964@wixer.cactus.org> purp@wixer.cactus.org (Jim Meyer) writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.141859.20009@news.acns.nwu.edu> drmax@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marianna Max) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug23.153623.13489@cbnews.cb.att.com> eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans) writes:
>>>In article <1m_nn0#.aahz@netcom.com> aahz@netcom.com (Aahzmandius) writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Don't worry.  Just deep-throat a banana, and you'll stand out *anywhere*
>>>>>>you go.
>>>>
>>>>So.  Was it peeled or unpeeled?
>>>
>>>Peeled.  And we have pictures...
>>>
>>But the real question is "Did she peel it with her tongue?"
>
>Nonono! The REAL question is "Did she tie the peel in a knot with her
>tongue? And if so, was it a square knot or a double clove hitch?"
>
>Enquiring minds want to know.
>
>--Purp, working on a Gordian knot.

There's never a sword of Damocles(sp?) when you need one or a good
dictionary. It was peeled - I was just going to eat it (it was the
leftover after Piglet's scrumptous Banana Muffins) when I decided to
have fun and entertain.  The peel was buried when I thought of
resurrecting the Girl Scout knowledge and working on refreshing my
knot badge.  Sorry.

Allisson  (Trust me, I was a Girl Scout and a Brownie)-- 
allisson@turing.toronto.edu (new address)       H. Allisson Roome
"Teach only love, and learn that love is yours and you are love."(A.C.I.M/p.92)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: zagar@chester.cms.udel.edu (Randy Zagar)
Subject: Re: Can we can the suck-up bit?
Reply-To: zagar@chester.cms.udel.edu
Organization: Marine Studies, University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:16:04 GMT

In article 715316945@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu, kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle) writes:
>
> > Some men actually like to do nice things for people (even if they happen
> > to be female) because they get enjoyment from doing nice things for people.
>
> And some people misinterpret being helpful as attempting to control.
> Guess the easy solution is to stop being helpful.
>

Sorry Kirian, but I'm not going to quit.  If I run across someone who is seriously
offended by my being helpful, then I'll just have to feel hurt for a while.  And if
someone has problems with my helpfulness, then it sounds like a personal
problem to me.

I don't know about the kids growing up now, but when I grew up in the South,
I (and most everyone else) was taught that being complimentary and openly helpful
and polite was something that everyone should be doing.

As far as I can tell, for every offended person (male or female) there's
at least three that are openly appreciative, and another 5 or 6 that are shocked/surprized to find that polite behavior still exists.

The odds (as I've measured them) appear to be in my favor,

-Randy


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| Bell-net: 302/831-1139                 "Gee, if I'd only spent more time    |
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Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle)
Subject: Re: The Dawn of Suckups (Was: Re: Bananas)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 07:45:54 GMT

>kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (me) wonders:
>>Is is sucking up if it happens to be the truth?
>>For example, if I suggested that someone was lovely and talented, and
>>cute, and PERKY even, and it were true, would I be sucking up?

markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark) inquires:
>Might you be referring to a Miz Hardin by any chance there??

Would _I_ ever even DREAM of calling DAWN perky???  

She already yelled at me once this week already she did.

-- 
"Beauty, n.  The power by which a woman charms a lover and terrifies a
 husband."....................Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_
-- 
Kiran Wagle     <kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>     (812) 335-0420
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Can we can the suck-up bit?
Keywords: encourage friendship?
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:05:34 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep1.135102.21012@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
|In article <14390@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
|>In article <1992Aug31.183938.25374@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
|>
|>|Come ON!  We're not here to drop our hankies, guys.  And those of us
|>|who smoke can light our own cigars.  :-)
|>
|>Or change their own oil, or build their own house.  Geez, some people try
|>to add a little levity to the group and it is turned into a "I can open
|>my own door" campaign.  
|
|No it hasn't.  Quite different.  What we have here is any time a man
|compliments a woman's contribution, he's accused of sucking up.  Result?
|Men will be leery of agreeing with a woman's point of view here because
|they don't want someone to accuse them of doing so to win her affectations.
|Isn't that rather childish?
|>
|>Some men actually like to do nice things for people (even if they happen
|>to be female) because they get enjoyment from doing nice things for people.
|>Some men do nice things for women even though they are capable of doing 
|>it themselves.  
|
|OK fine John.  Suppose you go to do something nice for a women because
|it gives you a nice warm fuzzy feeling to be a nice person, and some
|idiot accuses you publicly of "sucking up."  That OK with you, or don't
|you think it just might get a tad bit annoying?

No, I don't find it annoying at all.  *I* know why I'm being nice to a
person.  *I* know what my intent is.  If someone else sees it as sucking
up then I can just laugh it off.  I haven't been taking these sucking up
ratings seriously at all.  It's become a joke.  It seems it's become a
tired overused joke.


-- 
+============================================================================++
| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
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From:         "Jennifer R. Amon (216) 775-6987" <BAMON@OCVAXC.BITNET>
Subject:      Spetter - original Hebrew family name?

I'm forwarding this to the list. Can anybody help?

>From: hjb@levi.th.vu.nl
>Subject: Genealogical question
>
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> A friend of mine is from a jewish family that, alas, turned catholic
> long ago :-)  His family name is supposedly still jewish, although
> probably heavily 'Dutchized': Spetter. Since my friend has recently
> become interested in his jewish backgrounds, he is wondering what the
> original family name in Hebrew could have been. My knowledge of
> Hebrew (and especially of Hebrew family names in the Netherlands) is
> not sufficient to resolve this question. Would anybody be able to
> help?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hendrik Jan Bosman
> hjb@th.vu.nl
>------------------------End Original message----------------------------

        Jennifer R. Amon                BAMON@OCVAXC.BITNET
        Amherst, Ohio                   bamon@ocvaxc.cc.oberlin.edu

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  FARVER        (Pennsylvania)             FREEMAN      (England)
  HEASLEY       (Pennsylvania)             HAYES        (Dover, Delaware)
  FOULK         (Pennsylvania)             HONEY        (Delaware)
  BUCHANAN      (Pennsylvania, Scotland)   CAPLAN       (Lithuania)
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:18:16 -0400
Reply-To:     Carol Botteron <botteron@BU-IT.BU.EDU>
From:         Carol Botteron <botteron@BU-IT.BU.EDU>
Subject:      State Censuses?
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

Some states have taken censuses in years when federal (US) censuses
were not taken, particularly years ending in 5.  For example, I read
recently that the Massachusetts 1855 census is being published, town
by town, starting with the towns where I had no ancestors.  B-(

Is there a list somewhere showing what states took censuses in what
years?  Better yet, does it show how to see them and what information
is in them?

If there isn't a list, maybe we could start one.  If you know about
one or more state censuses, either email me or post the info to the
list.  I'll post a compilation.

BTW, some cities and towns take censuses too.  Somerville, Mass.,
where I live, takes one every year, although all it asks is address
and occupation.  Dunno why, maybe either to check voter records or
to let the politicians personalize their letters to us.

Carol Botteron     botteron@bu-it.bu.edu     botteron@gnu.ai.mit.edu
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Date:         Sun, 23 Aug 1992 13:47:12 -0500
Reply-To:     THOMPSON@UTAPHY.PH.UTEXAS.EDU
From:         THOMPSON@UTAPHY.PH.UTEXAS.EDU
Subject:      afro-american genealogy
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

I have recently acquired an old family bible.
There are 1.5 pages of a "Register of Negroes in our Family at this time"
The time is not specified, but births range from 1816 to 1861.  Generally only
a first name is given but usually parents names are given only.
The family that kept the bible lived mostly in Bedford county, Tennessee.
If anyone can make use of this information, I would be glad to share it.
It is only a thin thread, but perhaps better than nothing
jim thompson
thompson@utaphy.ph.utexas.edu
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:39:00 EST
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From:         JMFREED@OWUCOMCN.BITNET
Subject:      State Census Records, continued

One additional comment about the new book about State Census records:  If
you wish to order directly from Genealogical Publishing Company (rather than
calling and charging the book), I just noted that in addition to the
$17.95 cost for the book, postage and handling is $3.00 for the first book
and $1.00 for each additional book.  If you are a Maryland resident add 5% sales
    tax and if Michigan resident, add 4% sales tax.  If you wish to order this
book by phone, you may reach Genealogical Publishing Co at 800-296-6687, and
they will take VISA or MasterCard orders by phone.
Again, I have not financial interest in Genealogical Publishing Company, but
this sounds like an excellent reference for your personal library, or to
recommend to your local history and genealogy library to obtain a copy.
--Jim Freed, Delaware, OH USA
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From: moj@risken.vd.volvo.se (Mats-Olof Sander)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: LDS Database Acess?
Date: 1 Sep 92 08:33:11 GMT

Is it possible to search the LDS Dabase or download information from it
via some mail- or FTP-service?
Mats-Olof 
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