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From: frankpi@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Francis E. Piechoski)
Subject: Re: origin of planet names
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 17 DEC 92 18:23:55    

In article <15129.2b2f0281@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>, cranmer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes...

>Hello,
> 
>Erik [S2822338@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (s2822338)] writes...
> 
>>>It is hard to point to any particular visual characteristic of Jupiter which
>>>would make it stand out.  It is white in color, which could suggest a wizened
>>>god.  Perhaps the 12 year period was special.
> 
>>How 'bout the death-rebirth myth in nearly (if not all) ancient human
>>societies?  Some of them specifically point to a second sun that comes
>>into being.
> 
>Really?  I'm curious - which ones?  I know of the Egyptian story about
>the eye of Ra that 'got away from him', but is that really another sun?
> 
>>And, given the astronomical data we have of Jupiter, one of
>>the facts being that it is nearly (if not greater than) the mass required by
>>the "laws" of physics to begin nuclear fusion...
> 
>No, it's not.  Even if its mass were to mysteriously double, or triple,
>or whatever is needed, it still wouldn't become a star (a la 2010),
>because of its chemical composition.
> 
>>Your last statement brings up an interesting point, it's 12 year period.
>>The number 12, (obviously) is rather important to astrology...
>>Wouldn't it be even MORE important if at one time the great light in the sky
>>DID have a 12 year cycle...
> 
>Well, it's not exactly 12 - more like 11.something -- there are many
>here who know the exact siderial period.  Here's a question - how close
>is Jupiter's siderial period to the sun's ~11 year sunspot cycle?
>Does this have any astrological importance?
> 
>>>Astrologers generally seem take the myths without question as applicable to 
>>>the significance of the planet in natal horiscopes which does seem to hold 
>>>true but who named them and why and did they have any astrological knowledge 
>>>to help them to make the decision. I almost start to fear that the next 
>>>planet discovered will be imprpoperly named by the scientific community (not 
>>>that they would care about astrologers opinions).
> 
>>Who cares what "scientists" name the planets?  Whenever their astrological
>>significance is discovered (rather than just their physical location)
>>THEN astrologers could simply use whatever name fits for them.
> 
>But they haven't.  Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't
>astrological literature full of talk about why the names Uranus,
>Neptune, Pluto, Chiron, etc...  (which were chosen by astronomers)
>are completely astrologically appropriate for the 'energy' of that
>body?  Astronomers thus seem to have a good track record for naming
>planets.
> 
>Steve Cranmer
Frank Piechoski, Astrologer
33 University Sq. #196
Madison, WI 53715
Internet: frankpi@macc.wisc.edu
Bitnet: frankpi@wiscmacc
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From: casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE)
Subject: Re: origin of planet names
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Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:12:00 GMT

In article <higgins.14.724383057@rmit.edu.au>, higgins@rmit.edu.au (RichardHiggins) writes...
>	Would anyone know how the planets came to be known by their names. I 
>would imagine the first five planets got their names from the first 
>atrologers/astronomers but how did the outer planets gain their names? 

I think the names were attributed based on the observed physical attributes of
the planets and some connection to the Gods:

Mercury		Messenger of the Gods		Fastest planet
Venus		Goddess of Beauty		Most beautiful and brightest
Mars		God of War			Visible red color (=blood)
Jupiter		Ruler of the Gods		(harder to say here)
Saturn		Oldest God			Slowest planet


It is hard to point to any particular visual characteristic of Jupiter which
would make it stand out.  It is white in color, which could suggest a wizened
god.  Perhaps the 12 year period was special.

>Astrologers generally seem take the myths without question as applicable to 
>the significance of the planet in natal horiscopes which does seem to hold 
>true but who named them and why and did they have any astrological knowledge 
>to help them to make the decision. I almost start to fear that the next 
>planet discovered will be imprpoperly named by the scientific community (not 
>that they would care about astrologers opinions).

How would one decide "correctly" on a name for a newly discovered planet?


Dave
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Friday, 11 Dec 1992 12:50:29 EST
From: <EJAHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Vedic Astrology

Have you tried posting to soc.culture.indian about a vedic astrology program?
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: 
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:59:00 GMT

In article <BzFK7t.42r@csn.org>, lmpm@teal.csn.org (L. M. P. McPherson) writes:
> In article <1992Dec17.110535.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>>
>>Hi Maggie!  Would you also kindly post Tesla's birth data?  Thanks --
>>
>>Lou
>>
> 
> Sure, Lou. Nikola Tesla was born at the stroke of midnight (00h local
> mean time) on July 10, 1856 in Smiljan, Yugoslavia (19E00, 45N15).
> 
> Maggie

Thanks. He is one of the most fascinating people I've ever read a bio of.

By the way, I only just now got around to reading your postings on the
experiments with metals and how they correlated with planetary aspects.
That's a great piece of work -- extremely provocative -- and thanks for
sharing it with the net. In all my years of astrological study, ancient,
modern, Eastern and Western,I had never come across that thread, so I'm
absolutely delighted to have all the references.

Cheers, Lou

> 
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From: dok@fwi.uva.nl (P.J.van Dok (W92))
Subject: sign
Summary: what is my future?
Keywords: future
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:21:10 GMT


Hello, fellow astrologers!
I have a question I hope one of you can answer.
I plan to start a company for distibuting Tarot cards. 
And I want to know from you what will be a good time to start. My sign is Monkey.
From: agray@axion.bt.co.uk (Andy Gray)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: solar eclipse on christmas eve.
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:57:43 GMT
Organization: BT Laboratories

In article <1992Dec11.155626.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>, crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
|> In article <1g7o8bINNgv7@nemesis.muppet.bt.co.uk>, phil@muppet.bt.co.uk (Phil Houseago g8sgb) writes:
|> > hi there astrological netbrowsers,
|> > 
|> > i heard a rumour that the solar eclipse on xmas eve is going to be one
|> > with some pretty far-reaching effects for pretty much everybody - some
|> > good, some not so good.
|> > 
|> > anybody got any idea why this one particularly - planetary positions
|> > etc.,/other comments??
|> > 
|> > 
|> > cheers, phil
|> > 
|> For your information, the December 23-24 eclipse will fall at
|> 2:28 Capricorn. It will begin at 22:20 GMT and end at 02:40 GMT.
|> 
|> If you have a natal planet (more especially Sun or Moon) within
|> 2 degrees of the Capricorn or the Cancer location, you will
|> be vulnerable to some effect.
|> 
|> What kind?  I don't have expertise on eclipses, but it would be
|> nice if someone who does would post.
|> 
|> Regard, Lou

I've a feeling that my Mars at 2Cap06 will start to get obstreperous and the semi
sextile'd Saturn at 2Sag44 will have some quelling to do. (last minute Xmas
shopping panics perhaps, with cash machines empty! [mars/2nd, saturn/1st])

Any clues?

Andy
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: lmpm@teal.csn.org (L. M. P. McPherson)
Subject: Tesla Data (Was Re: Something different)
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:02:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.110535.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>
>Hi Maggie!  Would you also kindly post Tesla's birth data?  Thanks --
>
>Lou
>

Sure, Lou. Nikola Tesla was born at the stroke of midnight (00h local
mean time) on July 10, 1856 in Smiljan, Yugoslavia (19E00, 45N15). His
ascendant is at 3Taurus22, and his MC is at 16Capricorn39. Pluto
and Uranus are in the first house, and Venus and the Sun straddle
the IC and form a T-square with a Mars-Moon conjunction in the
sixth opposed to Jupiter and the North Node in the twelfth, with
Jupiter squaring Saturn in the third (which is very loosely conjunct
Venus and the IC). His angular Pluto is almost exactly sextile
Saturn, the ruler of his tenth.

Maggie
From: lmpm@teal.csn.org (L. M. P. McPherson)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Something different
Date: 17 Dec 92 05:24:35 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

In article <BzBoq2.601@tnl.com> roignard@tnl.CAM.ORG.UUCP (geoffrey inget) writes:
>
>Is there any connection between a person's chart and peculiar sensitivity to 
>high pitch noise?  I am particularly sensitive to high pitches and being in
>a room with high concentrations of E/M (electromagnetic radiation) can at 
>times drive me absolutely crazy.  I am noticing this is a cyclical 
>aggravation, so I figured it's a good question to ask you.  (For example, I
>am sure to log off right after sending this, because my computer and my 
>high intensity light are hurting my ears)
>
>Thanks and I know it's a weird question,
>geoff

Not at all weird, but a bit tricky since few people have such
sensitivities, so one does not often get a chance to examine
the charts of those with this trait.

The only similar case I know of was Nikola Tesla. His senses,
especially hearing, were outrageously sensitive. A fly landing
sounded like a huge thud to him, and he could hear things miles
away that nobody else could even begin to hear. The most striking
feature of his chart is an angular T-square, although he also had
Pluto almost exactly on the ascendant. His Mercury, which might
be related to the senses, was in its own sign (Gemini) and house
(third) and received no major or minor aspects, so perhaps this
is relevant to his heightened sensitivity. Would you be willing to
post your chart? Because charts are unique, it is difficult
to say "this configuration leads to this trait." 

People with Pisces, Neptune, the twelfth house, or the seventh
harmonic (septile aspects) strong are very sensitive, but
usually not to *physical* variables so much as to *psychic*
variables. They absorb the emotions of people around them.


Maggie
From: as_radfo@csd.uwe.ac.uk (AS Radford)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: What's up pussycat, da da da de da dah!!!
Date: 14 Dec 92 08:23:31 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

Carole:

My mail to 'carole@brownvm' is bouncing.  Can you email me the full
email address, please?

Arthur
-- 
  Arthur Radford
  University of the West of England      -------------------------------
  BRISTOL, BS16 1QY, UK                	      Esperanto parolata
  as_radfo@uk.ac.uwe.csd                 -------------------------------
From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: solar eclipse on christmas eve.
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:26:11 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <1ge2pfINNqk1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) writes:
> In a previous article, crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu () says:
> 
>>For your information, the December 23-24 eclipse will fall at
>>2:28 Capricorn. It will begin at 22:20 GMT and end at 02:40 GMT.
>>If you have a natal planet (more especially Sun or Moon) within
>>2 degrees of the Capricorn or the Cancer location, you will
>>be vulnerable to some effect.
>>What kind?  I don't have expertise on eclipses, but it would be
>>nice if someone who does would post.
>>Regard, Lou
> 
> My Uranus is at 1CAN46, my moon at 0CAN15. With precession correction,
> it's like they are 35 minutes ahead of that making the moon be at 
> 0 CANCER 50  and  Uranus at 2 CANCER 21... Shit! Seven *minutes* away from
> an OPPOSITION!
> 
> Interpretations, please...?  :-)   Natal Moon/Uranus conjunction is in 11th
> house.  Thanks!,
> 
> Tony


DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT LEAVE THE HOUSE! DRINK HEAVILY the night before and
hopefully all will pass over before you wake up with a massive hangover,
without you even knowing it!


(actually, I really don't know off hand :)

-Garrett


Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: eiverson@nmsu.edu (Eric Iverson)
Subject: Re: Keywords for Signs
Organization: Computing Research Lab
	<Dec.3.18.40.37.1992.18675@paul.rutgers.edu>
	<1992Dec7.091120.28847@u.washington.edu>
	<1992Dec8.133323.17969@u.washington.edu>
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:25:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec8.133323.17969@u.washington.edu> astrolog@byron.u.washington.edu (Astrolog) writes:

   >>Leo    the Dog.

   The dog, barking so the world can hear, like Leo. Leos love
   attention, and like the pack, like dogs. The dog can be loyal and big
   hearted, or extremely obnoxious and vicious, like Leo.

Leo's do *not* like the pack, unless of course they're leading it.
Like their feline counterparts, they have a definite solitary side.
Even in groups they are only happy if they are the sole center of
attention.  While it is true that both dogs and Leo's can be loyal,
dogs are *unquestioningly* loyal.  You have to earn a Leo's loyalty.
And finally, one of the few times that *this* Leo is obnoxious and
vicious is when you dare to compare him to a dog!

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From: higgins@rmit.edu.au (RichardHiggins)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: origin of planet names
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:30:57 GMT
Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.edc.rmit.oz.au

	Would anyone know how the planets came to be known by their names. I 
would imagine the first five planets got their names from the first 
atrologers/astronomers but how did the outer planets gain their names? 
Astrologers generally seem take the myths without question as applicable to 
the significance of the planet in natal horiscopes which does seem to hold 
true but who named them and why and did they have any astrological knowledge 
to help them to make the decision. I almost start to fear that the next 
planet discovered will be imprpoperly named by the scientific community (not 
that they would care about astrologers opinions). Would anyone care to 
comment? Is it the great collective unconscious taking care of the human 
race or should we treat the names as a reflection of us? or otherwise..?

		Richard
From: crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: solar eclipse on christmas eve.
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:56:26 GMT
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1g7o8bINNgv7@nemesis.muppet.bt.co.uk>, phil@muppet.bt.co.uk (Phil Houseago g8sgb) writes:
> hi there astrological netbrowsers,
> 
> i heard a rumour that the solar eclipse on xmas eve is going to be one
> with some pretty far-reaching effects for pretty much everybody - some
> good, some not so good.
> 
> anybody got any idea why this one particularly - planetary positions
> etc.,/other comments??
> 
> 
> cheers, phil
> 
For your information, the December 23-24 eclipse will fall at
2:28 Capricorn. It will begin at 22:20 GMT and end at 02:40 GMT.

If you have a natal planet (more especially Sun or Moon) within
2 degrees of the Capricorn or the Cancer location, you will
be vulnerable to some effect.

What kind?  I don't have expertise on eclipses, but it would be
nice if someone who does would post.

Regard, Lou
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Princess Diana and the eclipse (was Re: What's up pussycat, da da da de
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Date: 14 Dec 1992 21:29:09 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cis_staff-kntx53.cis.brown.edu

> |> loss of either the masculine (Sun) or feminine (Moon) energy.  The most
> |> recent example of this (other than this week) was when the eclipse of June
> |> 30th conjoined  Perot's ascendent and he withdrew from the race. 
> |> 
> 
> Looking at more recent events, and the recent postings about our Royal Family, I
> couldn't help noticing that the eclipse happened when the moon was at 18 Gemini
> and the Sun was at 18 Sagittarius. This would have meant that the Sun crossed
> Princess Diana's Ascendant at that time. Bearing in mind that the official
> announcement of the seperation of the Prince and Princess of Wales was made late
> in the afternoon, the loss of the masculine energy was more of a real world
> experience for her.

Now if only there were a giant database, filled with accurate birth
information  and we could scan for planets/points at the eclipse point -
wouldn't that be fun to speculate upon!

Regards, Carol
From: roy@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Re: Seaching Ephymeris & Fixed Stars
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:14:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.181631.2816@nas.nasa.gov>, choi@win48.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
>>In article <AAwMc8hiy7@istech.msk.su>, ials@istech.msk.su (ials) wrote:
>> 
>> Dear friends !
>>  Who can help me to get necessary information.
>>  It's almost impossible in Russia to find the following:
>> 
>>  1. The American Ephemeris for the 20th centure by
>>     Neil F. Michelsen ( disk variant ) or corresponding
>>     software for calculation.
>>  2. Fixed Stars (Robinson's system). Any variant you
>>     have.
>> 
>>  I'll be greatful for everyone who will respond for my
>>  letter.
> 
>>Hello Svetlana,
> 
> You can order astrology books from the AFA (American Federation of
> Astrologers).  Their headquarters is located in Tempe, Arizona.  I don't
> have the phone number ...but the operator does. 
> 
> diana


American Federation of Astrologers
6535 S. Rural Road
PO Box 22040
Tempe, AZ 85285-2040
(602)838-1751

Ask for their "Product Price List and Order Form"

Regards, Roy
From: CONEGA@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (*Greg Cone           )
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Thnx for Eclipse Postings
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:12:09 GMT
Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY
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In <27360033@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM> stevek@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM writes:

> 
> Thanks to all posters about the upcoming (December 23) solar eclipse.
> I do not pay nearly the attention to the actual timing of such events
> as I used to years ago, but I am very glad that these postings caught 
> my attention.
> 
> The eclipse is at 2 CAP 28 (more or less).  It opposes a triple (casimi)
> conjunction of my Sun, Moon and Venus (the three oppositions are all
> within 1/2 degree).  It conjuncts my MC (within 1/2 degree).
> 
> I use the keyword "spotlight" for solar eclipses.  I see them as
> strengthening or highlighting of events.
> 
> In my case I had already planned to leave my job/change careers and sell 
> my house.  It's nice to see the extra energy to make these decisions 
> work out.
> 
> Enouraging thoughts and energy are welcome!
> 
> R's,
> 
> Steve Kauder                        Phone: 303-229-3541 
> UTD Support and Learning Products   Unix Mail: stevek@hpfcmgcf.fc.hp.com
> 
> "Computers, Music, Astrology, The Course in Miracles, what's next??"
> 

I wish you the best of luck, but beware.  Events that occur under the
influence of an eclipse have a nasty habit of not turning out as
planned, either for the better or worse.

Greg
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Something different
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:05:35 GMT

In article <BzE1p1.LAC@csn.org>, lmpm@teal.csn.org (L. M. P. McPherson) writes:
> In article <BzBoq2.601@tnl.com> roignard@tnl.CAM.ORG.UUCP (geoffrey inget) writes:
>>
>>Is there any connection between a person's chart and peculiar sensitivity to 
>>high pitch noise?  I am particularly sensitive to high pitches and being in
>>a room with high concentrations of E/M (electromagnetic radiation) can at 
>>times drive me absolutely crazy.  I am noticing this is a cyclical 
>>aggravation, so I figured it's a good question to ask you.  (For example, I
>>am sure to log off right after sending this, because my computer and my 
>>high intensity light are hurting my ears)

> 
> The only similar case I know of was Nikola Tesla. His senses,
> especially hearing, were outrageously sensitive. A fly landing
> sounded like a huge thud to him, and he could hear things miles

Would you be willing to
> post your chart? Because charts are unique, it is difficult
> to say "this configuration leads to this trait." 
> 
> 
> Maggie

Hi Maggie!  Would you also kindly post Tesla's birth data?  Thanks --

Lou

Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: S2822338@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (s2822338)
Subject: Re: origin of planet names
Organization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:44:12 GMT
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In <15DEC199214123860@vxcrna.cern.ch> casper@vxcrna.cern.ch writes:

> It is hard to point to any particular visual characteristic of Jupiter which
> would make it stand out.  It is white in color, which could suggest a wizened
> god.  Perhaps the 12 year period was special.

How 'bout the death-rebirth myth in nearly (if not all) ancient human
societies?  Some of them specifically point to a second sun that comes
into being.  And, given the astronomical data we have of Jupiter, one of
the facts being that it is nearly (if not greater than) the mass required by
the "laws" of physics to begin nuclear fusion...  And that it remains
mysterious as to how an object that heavy remains a planet and didn't form a
star to begin with...  Granted this is part speculation, part sci-fi, but not
without basis.  

Your last statement brings up an interesting point, it's 12 year period.
The number 12, (obviously) is rather important to astrology...
Wouldn't it be even MORE important if at one time the great light in the sky
DID have a 12 year cycle...

Just a thought.

> >Astrologers generally seem take the myths without question as applicable to 
> >the significance of the planet in natal horiscopes which does seem to hold 
> >true but who named them and why and did they have any astrological knowledge 
> >to help them to make the decision. I almost start to fear that the next 
> >planet discovered will be imprpoperly named by the scientific community (not 
> >that they would care about astrologers opinions).
> 
> How would one decide "correctly" on a name for a newly discovered planet?
> 
> 
> Dave

Who cares what "scientists" name the planets?  Whenever their astrological
significance is discovered (rather than just their physical location)
THEN astrologers could simply use whatever name fits for them.

Besides, don't be so pessimistic, astrology IS a science after all.
And I don't think it'll be too many more years before more people
realize that...

Just another thought.

-Erik
From: stevek@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Steve Kauder)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:20:28 GMT
Subject: Thnx for Eclipse Postings
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO