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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga Future?!?y
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:33:26 GMT
Organization: Amiga makes it possible
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <Paula_Lieberman.069k@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
> re articles by Marc Barrett: The amount of money and percentage of income
> that a company spends on R&D doesn't necessarily say if the company is
> getting any value out of it -- just look at all the money spend by Xerox on
> R&D that everyone EXCEPT Xerox exploited....   Don't know about Marc
> Barrett, but I've had a ringside seat view of wasted R&D effort -- LOTS of
> wasted R&D efforts... and I've some some modest R&D expenditures that got
> results that big efforts flopped at..... depends on -who's- doing the work,
> how competent at it they are, and whether management a) listens to them,
> and b) knows how to get products out based on the R&D.  There's a lot of
> stuff that never quite makes it out to the retail shelves.....
>

re articles by Marc Barrett:  Look at the results.  Marc isn't asking CBM
to compete with Xerox.  He is asking CBM to compete with Apple.  CBM has
barely competed with Atari instead.  That's been MY gripe all along...

CBM has wonderful engineers and plenty of wasted R&D efforts of their own
(i.e. CDTV).  However, CBM lacks the ability to instill confidence in their
products in the marketplace without showing the kind of support that an
Apple does for their machines.  This means more than 4 major OS revs in
8 years.  This means more than one model per year.  This means not counting
the same box with different add-ons as a "new model"  (CBM sticks a
HD controller and 20Meg HD in an A2000 and calls it a new model for the
year).

Whatever CBM is spending on R&D is not getting the job done.  Whatever CBM
is spending on software development is not getting the job done (where are
apps from the big guys - recognizable names?).  Whatever CBM is spending
on advertising is not enough.  Maybe CBM is not enough of a company to
be supporting anything but PC clones?

>
> -- Via DLG Pro v0.991

--
Amiga programmer of: GRn, MailMinder, Budokan, Beyond Dark Castle, Dark Castle
Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
1124 Fremont Ave.
Los Altos, CA 94024
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: catapcnl@NeXTWork.Rose-Hulman.Edu. (Chris Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Anybody care to crush this Falcon Rumor?
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:58:12 GMT


In article <doiron.06xz@starpt.UUCP> doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron) writes:
:In article <1992Jul17.082855.1894@cs.ruu.nl> ajlmvoer@cs.ruu.nl (Tonio  
Voerman) writes:
:>
:>Can somebody tell me what this machine can do ( detailed of
:>course ) ?
:
:Nope.  It's all speculation.  Nobody knows the specs.  Nobody knows if it even
:exists.  Nobody knows if Atari can market a bottle of water in the middle of  
the
:Sahara, either.  [Wow!  True c.s.a.a. spirit!]  And nobody can kill a new  
system
:quite like Atari.  [Well, at least they are finally selling licenses to  
produce
:Lynx stuff.]
:

What do you mean "nobody knows if Atari can market a bottle of water in the  
middle of the Saharah"?  Shouldn't the word "Commodore" be somewhere in that  
sentence?  Can they sue for the rights to this quote? :-D
--
Chris Lawrence
Pretender to the Throne; Destroyer of the Faith
-----------------------------------------------
"In a democracy, the majority often gets what it wants.  Occasionally, it also
 gets what it deserves."
 - ??? (Can someone tell me?)
From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga Future?!?y
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:17:53 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:

>Whatever CBM is spending on R&D is not getting the job done.  Whatever CBM
>is spending on software development is not getting the job done (where are
>apps from the big guys - recognizable names?).  Whatever CBM is spending
>on advertising is not enough.  Maybe CBM is not enough of a company to
>be supporting anything but PC clones?

  You know, a not-so-odd-thought just struck me.  What if they didn't *want*
the Amiga to become too popular because, God forbid, they'd actually have
to put more money into developer, dealer and customer support in order to
keep the ball rolling?

  -jack-


  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Amigas are cool
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:29:12 GMT

In <dridi.034i@choco.UUCP> dridi@choco.UUCP (Gilles Dridi ERF004) writes:
>    It's an utopia to think all programs are safe. Since the beginning
>    until NOW this has never been the case.

True. However, memory protection won't save you since the OS, like every
piece of software, will have bugs. In my experience MP doesn't lead to
better or safer software but to sloppy programming.

Regards,
-- 
Michael van Elst
UUCP:     universe!local-cluster!milky-way!sol!earth!uunet!unido!mpirbn!p554mve
Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
                                "A potential Snark may lurk in every tree."
From: gpotts@hebb.uoregon.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: What does the Amiga lack?
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:27:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Jul24.172747.8033
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services

In article <33302@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave
Haynie) writes:
>
>LabView is pretty cool (and its also available for MS-DOS).  We don't use it 
>here, but I read about quite some time ago in an article on graphical
>programming (either BYTE or Dr. Dobbs, I don't recall which).  This system
>provides software versions of gauges, buttons, graphs, etc. that you normally
>find around a lab, and ways to hook them together into a data aquisition 
>system.  It's pretty specialized, but I imagine it would be fun to hack in.
>It's in some ways the same idea as AmigaVision, but oriented toward lab work
>rather than presentation authoring.  The idea is that anyone can assemble 
>such an application, and rather quickly -- you don't need a programmer (though
>I think anyone involved in the design of hardware systems should be a
>programmer too, just so they don't make software interface mistakes).
>
>
>-- 
>Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Amiga 3000) "The Crew That Never Rests"
>   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh      BIX: hazy
>        "Work like a horse, drink like a fish"  - Psychefunkapus
> 
>

I work in a brain electrophysiology lab and we use Labview II extensively
for signal processing. Labview comes with an extensive library of signal
processing "VIs" (the Labview metaphor is the Virtual Instrument or "VI").
So, to build a VI in Labview, you take the built in functions, which are
represented by icons with input and output nodes, assemble them into modular
sub-VIs, with their own input and output nodes, and wire them together. The
data then flows along the wires to the various sub-VIs, getting processed
along the way. Just about anything that you can code up in C, you can code
up in Labview. It isn't always easier or more efficient but it can be done.
It is coding for electrical engineers.

I have found that learning to code in Labview has a steep learning curve. It
was much like learning a foriegn language -- at first I'd have to translate
the algorithm I was trying to code into C or Pascal and from there into
Labview. It's much easier now that I can "think" in Labview.

It is the existance of applications like Labview that has me doing my real
work on Macs instead of my Amiga. That and statistics packages. On the Mac
I use Systat, SuperANOVA, MacSpin, SPSS, and JMP. There are others available
as well. What do we have on the Amiga? Maybe you can still get some
overpriced, underpowered stuff from Lionheart but that's about it. There
was supposed to be something out from OXXI this summer, P-Stat, but I guess
it was just vapor.

--geoff

Geoffrey Potts
Dept. of Psychology
University of Oregon
Eugene, OR  97493

gpotts@hebb.uoregon.edu
From: 01ksdavis@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: LOADED LOADED LOADED Amiga system for sale!!!
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:28:12 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy

In article <50715@dime.cs.umass.edu>, barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel BLAZEMONGER) writes:
> 
> Check it OUT!!  This system is LOADED!!!!
> 
> 	o	Amiga 1000
> 	o	256K RAM
> 	o	1 floppy drive (needs repair)
> 	o	1 bottle of "Johnny Walker Black"
	Just how old is the bottle?  :->
> Asking $2000 (negotiable)....    :-)
	Through in a car that doesn't work (preferably a VW), and you've got a
deal!! 
> 	Now of course, you can see this posting is NOT serious.  But
> I'm getting tired of seeing people advertising their systems as
> "loaded" when they have no accelerator, small hard drive, 1-2 MB RAM,
> etc.  Just IMHO.
	Or howabout-2400 baud external modem -$60  I saw one for $142 at a FLEA
MARKET!! 
> 	Followups are directed to comp.sys.amiga.advocacy.
> 
>                                                         Dan
> 
>  //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
> | Dan Barrett -- Dept of Computer Science, Lederle Graduate Research Center |
> | University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA  01003  --  barrett@cs.umass.edu |
>  \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/////////////////////////////////////
	You know, I think more people talk about your posts than the weather. 
Ever think of becoming a columnist?

	Kyle-lost my sig
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: s_fuller@iastate.edu (Steve Fuller)
Subject: Re: Amigan perspective on audio
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:20:23 GMT

In <dano.711957204@srl01> dano@srl01.usl.edu (Dan Stephenson) writes:

>Basically, I wowed my Amigan friend (A500)
>with my SoundBlaster's digitized speech.

Which SoundBlaster??? The II or the Pro. Big differences between
the two.

>He did NOT say the SB was of better quality, but that
>"wow, the Amiga doesn't have sound this good, it would
>take up too much disk space"

Should have said "Wow, the Amiga doesn't have SPEECH this good.
..."

The music I've heard on the SoundBlaster my roommate has, not the
SB_Pro by the way, has really been disappointing. Play a MOD on
the amiga, and play the same mod on a PC With a soundblaster II
and see the difference.

>I think the lack of hard drives as a standard on Amigas
>has been its #1 drawback/problem.

No, the lack of marketing... Oh never-mind...

>--
>Dan Stephenson|das9674@usl.edu masres10@ucs.usl.edu dano@srl01.cacs.usl.edu
>Come all of you you/Who are not satisfied/As rulers in a lone wall/
>papered room/Full of mute bird and flowers that /Falsely bloom/And
>closets choked with dreams that long ago died,... --Judy Collins
-- 
---------------------=------------------------------     ///
Steve Fuller         =   Darwin's Ideal Evolution       ///
Net.traveller        =  C64 -> IBM -> MAC -> Amiga  \\\///
s_fuller@iastate.edu =                               \XX/
From: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Commodore and the Osborne Syndrome
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:13:18 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

>In article <50888@dime.cs.umass.edu>, barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>> 	Personally, I'm glad Commodore keeps it quiet.  Here is a perfect
>> example of why it's good:  the stupid EMPLANT flames in
>> comp.sys.amiga.emulations....

In article <1992Jul26.234652.41894@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> cuadrasola@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>What is wrong about letting people talk and speculate.

	Nothing.

>I think that all these discussions about Emplant have given so much
>publicity to the product that everybody is more excited about it than about
>any other product that can be expected from Commodore.

	But the discussions also spread a lot of *negative* publicity.
People were making wild statements about what Emplant can and cannot do,
and the product isn't even out yet!

	Realize that Net postings get spread all over the world, and
misinformation travels fast.  Just ask the people who wrote the 2 fake
"A600/A2200/Amigastation" and "A4000" postings in the past 6 months.  Their
made-up stories wound up in magazines!!  And they even put "this is a joke"
at the ends of their articles.

	I would rather have no information than misinformation.  But 
you are welcome to disagree.

>At least [Apple and IBM] did not deny that they had something cooking while
>Commodore denies that there is such a thing as OS 2.1.

	Commodore doesn't deny that they are working on OS improvements.
Hell, everybody knows that they are always improving their software.
However, at the moment, there is no guarantee that any product called "OS
2.1" will actually come to market.  If it never does, will people be
disappointed?  Probably... even though CBM never announced it.

	There is a wide range of choices between keeping secrets and
announcing everything.  I think Commodore should announce a little more than
it does now, but in general I prefer that it doesn't announce vaporware like
some other companies do.

                                                        Dan

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| Dan Barrett -- Dept of Computer Science, Lederle Graduate Research Center |
| University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA  01003  --  barrett@cs.umass.edu |
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ps:	Gleeep, where are you?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: I DID giev up on the Amiga!
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 30 Jul 92 05:58:51 GMT

leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:

>The Quadra's NuBus-90 implementation is only preliminary... the technology
>is still unfinished, as compared to the Zorro III which has been around
>since 1990 and available.

  If you mean preliminary in the sense that the IEEE committee hasn't
signed off on the standard (they may have by now, I don't know), then
you're correct.  
  However, since it's Apple who essentially defines the PC Nubus
market, I don't see why this matters at all.  Ths NuBus 90 is in 
the Quadras, it's available, and it doubles the speed of the
existing NuBus implementations.

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Evan Torrie.  Stanford University, Class of 199?       torrie@cs.stanford.edu 
Embrace rationalism, reject superstition.           Break away from the past.
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  PC's are *total* kludges
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:18:15 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Jul21.150448.24098@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>>
>>>Yes.  The 286 and above CPUs have on-board MMUs, so they know how to generate
>>>a trap whenever a program attempts to access a swapped-out segment.
>>
>>Sorry, I didn't clearly said what I meant..
>>Can it _run_ if one of the segments is swapped out ?
>>
>>On a 286 there is no demand paging and running in real mode doesn't provide
>>VM at all. In 286 protected mode you have large segments (and probably
>>use large segments to avoid the overhead of reloading the segment registers
>>and -caches).
>>
>
>First of all, 286 protected mode does not have large (>64K) segment
>capability.  Second, even when running in real mode, Windows 2.x and 3.0
>implemented this segment-based virtual memory.
>
>>
>>A program with a swapped out segment will probably not be
>>able to run until the segment is loaded back.
>>
>
>Wrong.  It runs until it tries to access the segment, at which point
>Windows gets a trap and loads the segment in.  Case in point:  I used
>to run WinWord (whose executable image is close to a megabyte) under
>Windows 2.1 on a machine with 1MB RAM.  Not only did it run fine, but there
>were other (small) apps loaded at the same time.
>
>>
>>In 386 protected mode and 8086 virtual mode you could do demand paging but
>>I'm not sure if Windows uses this in 8086 virtual mode.
>>
>
>It does.

The 286 will support up to 1 gigabyte of virtual memory.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: Games on consoles
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 04:30:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.195325.4722@seas.gwu.edu> gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>>philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>>>Who cares about games. These won't be colour systems, and anyway games will
>>>move off computer platforms within 2 years.
>
>?????
>
>Hmmmm.....

Don't be too doubtful about this.  I skimmed an Amiga Format magazine
in the newsagency the other day and there was an editoral comment on how
the Amiga was in trouble (remember this is a British mag.).  Amiga games
are only selling 6-7000 copies despite the number of Amigas being greater
than 3 million.  Piracy is the problem, and games for consoles are selling
more copies, hence many developers are leaving the Amiga even in the
games market.  

They said the A600 may help C= in this respect as it has a slot for cartridges.
I am slightly doubtful whether this will help, as I can't see all Amiga games
coming out on cartridge in the near future.

>-- Gerald

-- 
Colin Adams       Honours Student - James Cook University of North Queensland
              "Friends come and go, but enemies accumulate."
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amigas are cool
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:01:25 GMT
Organization: Amiga makes it possible
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Jul27.152601.21696@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>
> This is like saying, "Credit cards are overrated.  You can always carry
> more cash.
>

No, but you CAN carry more CACHE. :)

> | Jerry J. Shekhel  | Molecular Simulations | Time just fades the pages      |

--
Amiga programmer of: GRn, MailMinder, Budokan, Beyond Dark Castle, Dark Castle
Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
1124 Fremont Ave.
Los Altos, CA 94024
From: jkrutz@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Jamie Krutz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTU Broadcast
Summary: (Airs 7/22/92 at about 1:50pm Mountain Time)
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:28:22 GMT
Organization: AvailTech

To those who were curious about the satellite broadcast of the program put 
together by Willie Schreurs and myself about using the Amiga in Science and 
Education:  They tell us it will go out over National Technological 
University's feed at about 1:50pm Mountain Time.  We produced 50 minutes on 
the Amiga, but due to some disorganization by those in charge of the two day 
seminar, they only have time to use 20 minutes extracted from our program.

Still it's something, eh?  Also, for those interested in getting a copy, we 
will make it available for a reasonable fee.  Email if interested.

Later,
 -Jamie
From: robertk@taoami.lerctr.org (Robert Kesterson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Can Amiga do my project?
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:21:44 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Jul17.201225.19095@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> dudley@cebaf9.cebaf.gov (John Dudley) writes:

> |> Would we need two machines?  One for development of programs and one
> |> to
> |> broadcast, or can Amiga's multitasking do both functions.
> |>
> |>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
[ stuff deleted]
> -------
>  The Amiga 500 comes with a little adapter that gives you RF signals or
> straight NTSC. You could literally
> take the machine out of the box and hook it directly into a standard
> TeleVision.
>

The adapter that comes with it isn't all that great.  I would suggest a
VIP Pro adapter if you don't need Genlock capability, or a SuperGen
if you do.

>  In addition to the Amiga, you would probably want a full meg of RAM,
> and possibly a harddrive or
> external floppy.  As far as software goes, there are some programs in
> public domain that do what you
> need, or you could jazz it up with a program like Scala or
> AmigaVision.(not too expensive [<$150?].
>

Definitely need at least one meg, and a hard drive.  You can do it with
just two floppies, but it's no fun.  As for AmigaVision, be aware that it
won't be able to do the fancy transitions and things without more than one
meg of RAM available, especially if you work in hi-res.  The last place
I worked ran a nice continual info display with Pro Video Gold on a one-meg
machine.

>  Multitasking would allow you to update the messages with no
> interruption to what's displayed on the TV's.
>

Not really.  Sure you can pop the video thing to the background and work on
something else.  But there's only one monitor output, so whatever you are
working on will be "on the air".
--

======================================================
 Robert Kesterson 	    robertk@taoami.lerctr.org
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anybody care to crush this Falcon Rumor?
Date: 29 Jul 92 06:02:58 GMT
Organization: Amiga makes it possible
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Jul29.005812.21289@cs.rose-hulman.edu> catapcnl@NeXTWork.Rose-Hulman.Edu. (Chris Lawrence) writes:
> What do you mean "nobody knows if Atari can market a bottle of water in the
> middle of the Saharah"?  Shouldn't the word "Commodore" be somewhere in that
> sentence?  Can they sue for the rights to this quote? :-D

The Amiga IS the #1 selling computer in the Sahara!

> --
> Chris Lawrence

--
Amiga programmer of: GRn, MailMinder, Budokan, Beyond Dark Castle, Dark Castle
Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
1124 Fremont Ave.
Los Altos, CA 94024