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From: ron@bwunltd.wciu.edu (Ronald Becker Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: (none)
Organization: Becker Williams UnLtd
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 20:42:44 +0100

MLONGVAL@udesvm.bitnet (Michael Longval) writes:
> I am trying to get keyboard input in a program, but without echoing the
> characters on the screen or having to press enter to make the keypress accepted
> 
> I have tried using getch() and even the curses version of this function without
>  any success.
> 
> To make a long story short, this is just for a routine that waits for a key pre
> ss then sends this key to a case select where routines are chosen according to
> input.  But I find it a real pain to have to press ENTER after the key to make
> it accepted.
> 
	To make a longer story short, may I recommend the TASS newsreader
sources.  He's implemented the coveted no return return quite elegantly,
commending itself by its virtue of actually working.  Its available on
mwcbbs.

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From: MLONGVAL@udesvm.bitnet (Michael Longval)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: (none)
Date: 27 Jul 92 05:16:23 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

I am trying to get keyboard input in a program, but without echoing the
characters on the screen or having to press enter to make the keypress accepted

I have tried using getch() and even the curses version of this function without
 any success.

To make a long story short, this is just for a routine that waits for a key pre
ss then sends this key to a case select where routines are chosen according to
input.  But I find it a real pain to have to press ENTER after the key to make
it accepted.

If you're able to help I would really appreciate it.

Michael <<BONES>> Longval
From: Jeff.Tomich@psycho.fidonet.org (Jeff Tomich)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Coherent 4.0
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 04:51:54 EDT
Organization: Psycho: The Usenet<->Fidonet Gateway of St. Pete Florida

Just recieved my Coherent 4.0 upgrade offer. Can anyone tell me why I should upgrade and is there anything buggy about 4.0?

Thanks.....Jeff



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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Questions on terminal/modem/graphics/tape drivers
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:23:43 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

schwaigr@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Jim Schwaiger) writes:
: I have been very impressed with the reports of both Coherent
: 3.2 and the highly anticipated 4.0.  I have a few questions
: for those familiar with this product.
:  
: 1) How many "terminals" can run on a Coherent system (please
:    split this into "pseudo" terminals on the console and
:    remote terminals run over serial line/modem).

Coherent 3.x:
		1 terminal at the console
		  there is a virtual console driver for 3.x but with
		  cave eats, which makes it uninteresting, at last for
		  me

	       10 terminals connected to RS232 ports

Coherent 4.0:  10 terminals at the console, if the system has two video
		  boards (mono and color) it's possible to run them
		  both with any whished mixup

	       32 terminals connected to RS232 ports


: 2) Which non-text (graphics) device drivers are available?
:    Can more than one pseudo terminal run on such a driver?

For Coherent 3.x an driver kit is available, which comes with drivers
for CGA, Herkules and a ATI video controller. For Coherent 4.0 there
isn't a driver kit available yet, but people at MWC says it is
comming sone after delivery of 4.0.
If you want to run pseudo terminals on a graphic device you need
an window manager like X11 or MGR. Both is not ported to Coherent
yet, but many people are interested at this. So I guess it would
be available some time after Coherent 4.0 and the driver kit are
out.

: 3) Which tape drives are supported by Coherent?  In particular,
:    I have a Sytos (1/4") and a Colorado (QIC-40) drive.  Are
:    Coherent files "compatible" with DOS files, to the degree
:    that the Coherent partition can be backed up using DOS
:    utilities?

Hm, I'm at work, can't take a look to my Coherent documentation.
I remember that the driver kit comes with a driver for several
Wangtek tape drives.

: Thank you very much for your help.

You are wellcome.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Coherent 4.0
From: bmyers@mcopn3.dseg.ti.com
Date: 22 Jul 92 08:28:41 CST
Organization: Texas Instruments Defense Systems & Electronics Group

In article <7811.2A6B94EA@psycho.fidonet.org>, Jeff.Tomich@psycho.fidonet.org (Jeff Tomich) writes:
> Just recieved my Coherent 4.0 upgrade offer. Can anyone tell me why I should upgrade and is there anything buggy about 4.0?
> 
> Thanks.....Jeff
> 
> 
> 
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I think you should look at either the ads for Coherent 4.0 or look at the
Byte article.  Coherent now is a 32-bit operating system, along with 
having an unrestricted C compiler and assembler (can address all of your
physical memory v.s. the limitations found on the manual pages).

-bob

Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,comp.os.minix
Subject: Re: OS compare (Unix/clone)
From: bob@allan.sublink.org (Lanfranco Albani)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Berkley shared libs
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:18:50 GMT
Organization: Allan: where felines dance

cef@blistr.mwc.com (Froggy Charles Fiterman) writes:
> We are starting work on shared libraries for release 4.1. Lots of people
> agree that the Berkley Form is better than the clearly botched BCS form.
> But I can't seem to get the details. Does anyone out there know where I
> can get the details about Berkley Shared libraries?

Get the free sources of BSD 4.3 from Berkley!
Where is the problem?  (if I understood your post...)


Bye, Lanfranco
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From: CHAMBLES@usmcp6.bitnet (JOHN CHAMBLESS)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: support@mwc.com
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:59:44 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

*<chambles@usmcp6.bitnet>
*Billy Chambless; University of Southern Mississippi
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Installation Oddities
From: cs.dal.ca!iisat!duncan!root  (David John Murdoch)
Organization: Duncan Computer Centre and Home Brewery
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:37:31 GMT
Reply-To: root@duncan.UUCP (David John Murdoch)

In article <1588s1INN4ks@agate.berkeley.edu> rogue@anableps.berkeley.edu (Brett Glass) writes:

>But the big shocker, from my point of view, was the lack of default
>security -- coupled with an undocumented "back door" that could only
>be considered an open invitation for system crackers. After creating a
>few users, I discovered that all of their mail files were publicly
>readable. What's more, the password file -- as created during the
>installation process -- had an undocumented account called "xmail"
>(name: "Secret Mail") with NO PASSWORD! This means that if a new
>Coherent user were to put his system online and did not notice these
>"holes," ANYONE could log on as "xmail" and read all of that user's
>e-mail (as well as any other files that were publicly readable).
>I wonder how many Coherent systems still have this back door open now?
>
><BG>

	Well, mine is one of them. 

I'm attempting to make the system secure but I ran into problems with the 
new crond when I put some passwords in place. It has worked fine without 
passwords. I've sent some mail to MWC about the problem (Permissions are 
as per the installation notes and I do have the appropriate entries in 
/usr/lib/cron/cron.allow but I still get failure mail).

	But, that aside, I'm wondering if somebody could list out the
necessary steps to improved security on COHERENT which could, perhaps become
part of the FAQ?  I did try with a post to see if anyone with 4.0 had tried
to port COPS but there was no response. 
	
David

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: dfp10@thor.albany.edu (D Parsons)
Subject: Questions about cpio
Originator: dfp10@thor.albany.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 19:21:12 GMT

I have just backed up my COH partitions with cpio and then found the mwc and
README docs uniformative about a). restoring all files and directories to
a freshly formatted partition, b). how to read the directory on these raw
magnetic data discs. Help will be appreciated. Don

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From: ringgold@netcom.com (Thomas Essex)
Subject: Re: Version 4.0 Arrived
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 06:36:07 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa

grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) writes:
: fanelli@gagme (michael fanelli) writes:
: :
: : Coherent 4.0 ordered July 21, arrived today July 28. Now I have to wait
: : for the PC to arrive...
: : 
: 
: Hey, that's not fair.  I ordered the 4.0 upgrade in May and haven't
: gotten it yet!  Are upgrade orders a lower shipping priority than
: new orders?
: 
  That's what I was thinking also!! My roommate got his on Wednesday after
ordering it sometime last week. I understand he talked with someone at MWC who
stated that there was a problem with the upgrade installation program. That they
were trying to get it to not totally clobber your current system when upgrading.

  Personally, I don't plan on keeping any of my current file systems, and would
be happy with the same package the new users are getting if I could just get my
hands on it!!!
   Tom
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: thigpen@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Keith Thigpen)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:27:34 GMT

mfaurot@phzzzt.uucp (Michael Faurot) writes:

>Not trying to flame here, but using that old time worn phrase, "If it ain't
>broke, don't fix it."  In other words, I like things just the way they are
>now, and don't feel there's any need to reorganize (IMHO).
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Hear, hear. I fully agree.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: k3eq@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Terrence Richards)
Subject: Re: minicom status line [Minicom source]
Keywords: minicom source
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:52:14 GMT



Please forgive me but..

COULD SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHERE I CAN GET MINICOM.

I already checked the alaska archives but could not find such.

Could someone please post, email or somehow direct me to the source.


Thanks in advance.

Terrence [k3eq@unb.ca]
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From: kosta@kostis.kk.sub.org (Kosta Kostis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: MWC distribution
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:58:26 GMT
Organization: The Blues Family

In article <920720873@zesi.do.open.de>
haug@zesi.do.open.de (Haug Buerger) wrote:

>> first excuse my faulty english! I havn't installed spell
>> because my harddisk is to small. I think you can understand
>> what i want to say, if not you can write me a mail. I'll
>> spend my few time to explain it.

No problem with "faulty english" and I haven't installed spell either. ;-)

>> Using credit cards for me is unsave. As far as i know, the 
>> company who has my creditcard number can get as mutch money
>> as it wants until my limit is reached. If they have my money
>> i see no change to get it back. And as far as i know, most things
>> are paid cache or with check in germany.

This is - again - simply untrue. I'll send you an email explaining how
credit cards work...

>> The price from the eMedia is not so bad. The update costs $60+$35 
>> *1.6=152DM from MWC and 169DM+6DM=175DM from eMedia. 

If you accept the US $35 for shipment, that's right.       :-)
For me that's about US $20 too much, but what can I do?    :-(

>>                                                      I called
>> eMedia and they told me that there is an update information if
>> MWC ships Coherent 4.0. The support is not so bad, eMedia has
>> made a short german installationguide (20p) for the 3.2 version.

MWC ships Coherent, but I still got no update information...  ;-)
Well, it may come some time later...

>> I have not tested the telephone support.
>> But that's not the thing i want to point out. Coherent is cheap,
>> but it could be cheaper (1-5DM) if MWC gives the foreign support
>> to the national distributers.

I had the same discussion with MWC via email. They stated that the
main cost of Coherent is development and that eMedia doesn't get
very low prices anyway. Do you think DM 5,- would help anything?

>>                               MWC can save all the oversea letters,
>> and i think it would be cheaper to ship a big package of copies
>> to the local distributer. My news was an information for the
>> german Coherent user and a hint for MWC to save money.

Oversea letters? Never had one... Never had an update letter from
eMedia either. Strange...

That's very close to what I think and I used similar arguments when
talking to MWC but it didn't help very much. *Ask* MWC about that.
Maybe, if enough people complain, they change their policy...
So, please email MWC directly (sales@mwc.com)

Ciao

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From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Benedict Torvalds)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,comp.os.minix
Subject: Re: OS compare (Unix/clone)
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:24:06 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <PETRI.VIRKKULA.92Jul29191611@vipunen.hut.fi> Petri.Virkkula@hut.fi (Petri Virkkula) writes:
>
>	Haven't I understood something correctly? Isn't it possible to
>	swap segments to disk using Valid and Accessed flags in
>	segment descriptors?

Yes, it's certainly possible, but it's also almost never worth the
bother: it's slow, hard to program, and writing a C-compiler (and
probably any other language) to understand several segments while still
being efficient is pretty hard.  And having just one code-segment and
one data (and stack) segment is simply not enough for a lot of
interesting applications.

Having several different code/date-segments doesn't lend itself very
well to high-level languages (it doesn't even work too well in assembly,
but there the programmer often knows what he/she is doing).  Thus
coherent 3.2 and minix don't even try: they keep to one segment, and
limit all data to 64kB.  You can do a lot in 64kB, but I'd rather miss
the experience. 

OS/2 1.x tried to implement a "real" system on a 286, and while some
people think it worked well, most people (including the OS/2 2.0
designers) seem to agree that the 286 protected mode memory management
is simply not enough for any good real system.  Of course, you can still
use them for DOS or some other embedded system (a toaster, washing
machine etc). 

That doesn't mean the 386 is perfect: it has got it's own number of
idiocyncracies (especially when used in AT hardware).  But at least you
don't have to fight the hardware all the way if you want to do something
bigger on a 386.

		Linus

PS.  "Being able to" and "suitable for" are totally different things:
you can write a fully multitasking VM system with 32-bit pointers on a
Z80 (for example by writing a 386 (or why not a cray-XMP?) emulator on
it), and all general-purpose processors are theoretically able to solve
the same set of problems.  Thus even a lowly 286 can provably do the
same things a 386 does.  It's just not worth it in most cases. 
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: besler@geop.ubc.ca (Steve Besler)
Subject: Re: OS compare (Unix/clone)
Reply-To: besler@geop.ubc.ca
Organization: Geophysics & Astronomy, U.B.C. Vancouver, Canada
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:20:34 GMT

In article 711988050@help.cc.iastate.edu, michaelv@iastate.edu (Michael L. VanLoon) writes:

Yes, I did mean multi-tasking, as in multiple processES, and not
multi-processing, as in multiple processORS.  It was purely a typo, and
I saw it only after the post was made.  I didn't want to post another
article just to correct it, but I just knew someone would jump on it
right away ;-)


I stand by my statement.  You can't do it on an XT.  And, you can't do
it well on a 286.  Two important things that are missing: large address
model and true virtual memory.  This is why you'll never see a
full-featured unix on a 286, and why the top of the line for the 286
will be crippled OS's like Coherent 3.2.1 (which does a great job with
what it has to work with) and SCO Xenix 286.  Heck, you can't even use
all the features of MS-Windoze on a 286, and OS/2 doesn't even bother
trying with version 2.0.  Because they can't do the things they want to
do without a) flat memory addressing and b) true virtual memory.

************

Well, it's nice to see that you stand by your statement, but you're WRONG.
Although it is not unix,  there is an OS for XT's and above called PC/GEOS
which has virtual memory and flat memory addressing. All this in a 70k kernel.
Throw in the Motif GUI that gets linked to it at boot-up time, and the fact
that it has pre-emptive multitasking and you get a system that kicks MicroSloth
Windoze in the head!   

See the newsgroup comp.os.msdos.pcgeos for more details

Why do people make such blanket statements?  "You can't do it on and XT."
I think they are just asking for flames.  

Steve Besler
From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Does v4.0 has C-shell?
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Organization: umunk (private)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 21:54:17 +0100

gtj@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au (Glenn T Jayaputera) writes:
: Wondering if you can use Csh now with v4.0.........

No csh, only the csh clone clam is available.
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From: edi@edefix.han.de (E. v. Pappenheim)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: tin PL4 'ported' to Coherent 4.0
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:49:51 GMT
Organization: Private

X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4


Hi there,

this is posted with tin PL4, that came through alt.sources some weeks ago.
The 'port' to Coherent 4.0 beta was:

tin.h:

#if !defined(MINIX) && !defined(COH4)
		    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this is new 	
#	include <sys/ioctl.h>
#endif


#ifdef COH4
#	undef SIGCHLD
#	undef SIGWINCH
#	include <termio.h>
#endif

Makefile:

# For Coherent 4.0
#			 NETLIBS="" \
#
coh:
	@echo "Compiling for Coherent 4.0 ..."
	@$(MAKE) CC=$(CC) CFLAGS='$(COPTS) -DSMALL_MEMORY_MACHINE -DDEBUG -DCOH4 -DSYSV -DLIBDIR=\"$(LIBDIR)\" -DSPOOLDIR=\"$(SPOOLDIR)\"' \
			 LIBS="-ltermcap -lcurses" \
			 EXE=tin linkit

# For Coherent 4.0 (Daemon)
#			 NETLIBS="" \
#
cohd:
	@echo "Compiling for Coherent 4.0 ..."
	@$(MAKE) CC=$(CC) CFLAGS='$(COPTS) -DINDEX_DAEMON -DSMALL_MEMORY_MACHINE -DDEBUG -DCOH4 -DSYSV -DLIBDIR=\"$(LIBDIR)\" -DSPOOLDIR=\"$(SPOOLDIR)\"' \
			 EXE=tind linkit

Note: For the beta it was nessessary to use LIBS="-ltermcap -lcurses" and
      not LIBS="-lcurses -ltermcap" that came with the other Makefile 
      entrys ...

curses.c:

#include <termio.h>


That's all, folks. I wish, every port would be so easy :-)

Cheers, Ecki
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From: olpi@sbustd.rz.uni-sb.de (Oliver Pischke)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: X-Windows on Coherent ?
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:26:38 GMT
Organization: Studenten-Mail, Rechenzentrum Universitaet des Saarlandes

Hi folks,

is anybody trying or has anybody tried to get X11R4 to run on Coherent ?

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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Reading DOS partitions under 4.0
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:15:48 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

ben@bailey.UUCP (Ben Bailey) writes:
: Does anyone know if Coh 4.0 will be able to read large DOS partitions
: (200 mbyte or larger)? 
: 
: If so, I would like to hear anyone thoughts to backing up to a DOS partition
: or copying the dump files to a DOS partition so that I can get them over to the
: Colorado Memory Systems tape drives for tape backups.  This waiting for 
: a tape device driver is getting old, as is backing up to floppies.

4.0 comes with a new collection of dos commands (doscp dosformat, dosmkdir,
dosrmdir, dosdel and so on), which can handle large DOS partitions of
MS-DOS 4.0 and 5.0. It should be possible to tar or cpio a Coherent
filesystem, copy it to a DOS partition, and write it to a tape from
there. I've also heared, that some DOS software is avail to dump
non-DOS partitions byte for byte onto a tape. But I don't know the
name of this backup software, does anyone have such a program?
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