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From: david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Man Of the people comments
Date: 11 Oct 1992 04:19:36 GMT
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I am a Troi hater, most of the time. However, this time she acted
quite well, for the most part. Her lines were deliverd with purpose
and force, and I actually enjoyed the scene where she told the young
cadet to get a life or get lost. 

However, I really didn't like this episode. It was not real bad, but
it sufferd with plot. We knew all along what the problem was, and
there was no tension about how it would be solved, I suppose we knew
that that was going to happen. Posters rightly objected to the fact
that Troi seemed to be taken over by the ambassador at times, and then
at other times not, -- and although Troi felt something was up she did
not do the simplest things like try and get help. Yet, it took a while
for her to be so overcome that she lost hwatever personality she had.
-- 
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    distinguish a mountain from a mole hill"            
                      Kenneth Boulding                             

					All comments  are mine---(David Wright) 
						david@cats.ucsc.edu.
From: s892024@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Richard A. Muirden [GA])
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: *SPOILER* Comments on _Death_Count_
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:03:48 GMT
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s344016@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au writes:

>Chekov was NOT Chief of Security in TMP, he did 'man' the weopons console. A
>role he subsequently resumed in the latter half of TWOK.


I could have sworn in the novel by GR he was Chief. I will recheck it
tonight...

>Fenric.

-richard

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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: Sixth Season
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:27:03 GMT

In article <1687BF751.JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu> JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu writes:
>In article <1b4ogeINNd5l@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>
>worth@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Jason Worthington) writes:
> 
>>It's nice to see someone praising the show.  It's about time this happened.
>>I agree completely.  The R.A.S groups have turned into a Startrek bashing
>>forum.
>>--
>Count me in as well!  I've enjoyed all three episodes so far.  You can
>analyze some things to death.  Why not just sit back and enjoy!

Well, let's make it a full-blown revolution, then.  Add my name to the
list of people that thought the episodes were decent (not smashingly
wonderful, mind you, but not bad).  If you get away from Star Trek for a
while, go take a walk in the woods and stop reading r.a.s.* for a week,
you might just find that you can enjoy it for what it is: television
entertainment, not a spiritual savior, not an alternate reality that you
can run away to because you don't like the current reality.  Television.
Period.  Not the subject matter for extended treatises and theses.  Tune
it in once a week, watch it, enjoy it, go out and do something else
instead of brooding over the parts that you found "oh, so
dissatisfying".

I know that I'm wasting my breath (typing) by saying any of this, but I
think that some readers of this group are on the verge of committing
suicide because TNG isn't living up to their standards of quality.  "Oh,
of for God's sake!  Please, PLEASE somebody!  Stop the writers from
destroying our show!  Oh god!"etc., etc.


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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Dyson Sphere's (was Re: Relics (mistakes) ***SPOILERS***)
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:56:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.ewright.719171798
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <6#qpypf@lynx.unm.edu> follick@jemez.eece.unm.edu (Jeremy Follick) writes:

>The sphere could be rotated to provide centrifugal pseudo-gravity around the
>equatorial region of the sphere. As another poster pointed out, this
>would leave much of the sphere in a vacuum, not a problem IMHO. You
>would still have an inhabitable region that is HUGE. 

And an uninhabitable that is huger.  If you were going to do that,
you wouldn't bother building the whole sphere, you'd just build a
ringworld.


>Another possibility
>would be to have a shell with asymmetrically non-uniform density. Consider
>a uniform shell. On the inside surface, scatter some areas with rock a
>few thousand miles thick. Instant gravity, but only in some regions.

In other words, planets imbedded in the shell.  Interesting concept,
but it defeats the purpose of the Dyson sphere.  Only the planets
would be habitable, so you wouldn't gain any living area you didn't
have before.


>If you have a 
>galaxy of 100 billion stars, and you average one Earth size inhabitable
>planet for each hundred stars (seems reasonable IMHO) then this Dyson
>Sphere represents more than half of all the inhabitable surface area
>in the galaxy. 

*If* it's the only one.
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From: jzarin@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jason Zarin)
Subject: Man of the People Top Ten!!
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 04:02:36 GMT


Spoilers dead ahead, captain!

Third episode -- third list.  I hope this list isn't as lame as "man
of the people!"  Yech.

Top Ten Lines You Didn't Hear in "Man of the People"
----------------------------------------------------

10. Klingons do NOT do Tai Chi! -- Worf

 9. I don't want anybody else, when I think about you, I touch myself. -Troi

 8. I guess this means I get a good evaluation. --that lucky young crewman.

 7. Do we have to bring somebody back from the dead in EVERY episode
    this season? --Beverly

 6. Help me, I'm melting!  -- Evil Ambassador

 5. I am sorry Counselor, I can only repeat that function a limited
    number of times each night.  --Data

 4. What?  No lines? -- Geordi

 3. And I thought *I* had serious psychological problems! -- Barclay

 2. Father, what is "horny?" -- Alexander

 1. Damn, these Betazoids are real PAINS! -- Captain Picard

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From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: _Best Destiny_ novel: Diane Carey can't write!
Date: 11 Oct 92 08:06:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


     I haven't bought STAR TREK novels regularly since Richard
     Arnold's reign of terror began and all those regulations
     on creative imagination were imposed (fascism) - but I
     noticed in the book store today a new hardcover
     called BEST DESTINY by Diane Carey.

     In case anyone was thinking of buying never having read Carey
     before -- DON'T.  This egomaniacal woman couldn't write a 
     decent shopping list let alone an intelligent novel.  

     My two cents in case anyone cares anyway...  :-)


                 Shortly  thereafter, the health of  Annie
                 Blackburn still in question, the behavior
                 of Special Agent  Dale Cooper was noticed
                 __________________________to have changed.
                                              Scott Gorcey.
From: kat@werple.apana.org.au (Kathryn Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Guinna(?) meets Picard.... NOT!
Date: 12 Oct 92 10:29:49 GMT
Organization: werple public-access UNIX, Melbourne
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rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com (Bob Haar) writes:

>In article 14137@ringer.cs.utsa.edu, gmclain@lonestar.utsa.edu (Glenn A. Mclain) writes:

>|> ...the first time she had met
>|> Picard.  She said it was on the Enterprise.  Well, in "Time's Arrow II" it
>|> turns out that they first met 500 years earlier.

>The concept of first is a little tricky. Chronologically and in
>Guinan's time line, that was in San Francisco. In Picard's, it was
>on the Enterprise.

There's one thing that's always puzzled me - how *did* Guinan end up
working on the Enterprise, anyway?  I seem to recall that it had
something to do with Picard, as if he got her the job, and the way
that Guinan talks to Picard in some episodes indicates that they
knew each other before she joined the Enterprise, but if Picard
first met her *on* the Enterprise, then (from his PoV) they didn't.

Obviously one explanation is that (note, I have not seen TA][ yet,
my friend in Texas has yet to send me a tape) Guinan first met
Picard in SF in the past, therefore she knew that in the future
she would be working on the Enterprise, therefore she made sure
that she would get the job in Ten Forward, and because *she* had
met Picard before, she was more familiar with him than she might
have been otherwise.  But that still leaves gaps.

Kathryn Andersen
(not a Trekker, just curious)
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From: tilden@interceptor.ksu.ksu.edu (Jeffery A Bohning)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Marina Sirtis on QVC (was also Elementary, Dear Data Question.)
Date: 13 Oct 1992 07:56:16 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
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In article <Bw1046.1GH@acsu.buffalo.edu>, dianetti@acsu.buffalo.edu
(Donald J. Dianetti) writes:
>2)  Apparently the dispute with the Conan-Doyle estate has been settled:
>    Marina said they were going to do another Sherlock Holmes episode.
>
Alright, Now let's do my episode!!!!!

Jeff Bohning
From: rsmith@pearl.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Enterprise time travel?
Date: 10 Oct 92 16:47:52 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

In article <1992Oct10.033359.26811@sarah.albany.edu>, ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj) writes:
 
> Actually I remember a ST:TNG episode where Riker and Picard were talking
> about time travel in Picard's ready room.  Riker referred to time warp
> and the slingshot method as "theoretical" instead of as an historical
> fact.  Then again they referred to Kirk in "The Naked Now" as some captain
> of an earlier Enterprise.  I suspect they have actually been trying to
> erase or retcon out a lot of early Trek stuff.  

How about this:  Some time traveller altered the past so that time travel was
never discovered by the old Trek crew, so TNG is really a sort of "alternate
universe" from at least some of the old Trek universe.  Of course, then you've
got to come up with a way for the original Enterprise to survive the decaying
orbit in "The Naked Time" (maybe Riley just never got into engineering?), and
the potential destruction of Earth by the giant Ho-Ho in "STIV:TVH."  Now
imagine if Guinan suddenly starts saying "this is all wrong.  We should just
have a time-travel button on this console...." (a la "Yesterday's Enterprise").
What does Picard do?  :-)

					--Rod Smith
From: susser@apple.com (Joshua Susser)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Woopie Goldberg is a Toon... ?!?!?!?!?!
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:16:13 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer, ATG

In article <1992Oct14.162330.19818@linus.mitre.org>, m14494@mwvm.mitre.org
(Mike White) wrote:
> 
> My kids were watching a cartoon the other day called
> "The Planeteers", in which eco-kids zoom around the
> world doing eco-good, and communing with Gaia (the spirit
> of the Earth).  The voice of Gaia sounded awfully like
> Woopie/Guinan.  I couldn't stick around for the credits,
> but does anyone know if this is right, or is my hearing 
> just going offline?  

Don't know about that, but Whoopie did make an appearance in the "Power
Pack" comic book a year or two ago.  Or rather, there was your typical
marvel APB (All-Powerful Being) called Numinous who looked just like a 50
foot tall version of Whoopie in futuristic space armor, complete with
dreads.  (Image a cross between Whoopie and Galactus...)  The Power kids
even commented on the resemblance (without using the name), and Numinous
just smiled knowingly....
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From: smintz@sedona.intel.com (Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~)
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow II question
Originator: smintz@alamo
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:15:17 GMT


But they did work, Dr Crusher called the others using one in the hospital...when
the aliens came in....
Stephen
From: jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu (James Gasaway)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Lay off Worf!" (MOTP Spoliers)
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:24:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: mac20-19.jgasaway-141092152153
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: NCSA

In article <Bw4JMu.tv@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v070p6nd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
(Anthos) wrote:

(stuff deleted)

> Since you assume that since the guards (the only two people with phasers that
> were not from the Big E) were there, that Worf was helpless (yes I'm trying to
> look at it from your POV).  Yes the phasers were aimed at WORF, but none were
> aimed at Picard.  You must then assume that Worf couldn't incapacitate the two
> guards.  I, though, will not make that assumption since I do assume that Worf
> was trained in how to deal with such a situation.  If Picard actually tried
> to take the ambassador and Picard was injured, THEN I would say that Worf didn't
> do his job.  Picard tried to intimidate, and failed.  Worf was intimidating,
> that is why the guards were pointing the phasers at him.  I call that protecting
> Picard by DRAWING POTENTIAL FIRE AWAY FROM PICARD, what any Security Officer 
> should do.  They would have had to kill Worf first, and don't assume that they
> would have been able.  Their position in the room was horrible since Worf was
> standing there (almost like Worf placed himself in the most strategic position,
> hmmm?)

I'm not giving in, but I'm moving this discussion to direct email.  I
believe we're arguing two different points, but I don't want to waste
newsnet space.  If anyone else is interested in this discussion, s/he can
ask Anthos to foward my reply (I didn't keep a copy by accident).

James 
jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu
Univ of Illinois @ Urbana/Champaign
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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Let's put this on a FAQL (Re: O'Brien's Rank)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:50:48 GMT

In article <07OCT92.21431825.0064@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP) writes:

>Ensign Junior Grade      One hollow gold pip

As far as we know, there's no such thing.  There isn't in the real Navy,
which S'Fleet gets its ranks from, and nothing has been said _on-air_
that would lead us to believe otherwise.

>OK, so the rank O'Brien had in "The Realm of Fear" was that of Ensign
>(either full of JG) whether the pip was solid or not.  Fine.  But
>wasn't O'Brien a Lieutenant in earlier episodes?

No.  Then, now, and always, Chief Petty Officer.
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From: jhitch@crash.cts.com (Jeffrey Hitchin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: _Best Destiny_ novel: Diane Carey can't write!
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:45:01 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

Here we go, more of my rantings and ravings about Diane Carey:

	First of all remember that this is IMHO.

	I read the two TOS novels and thought, sheesh, this woman is in
love with Captain Kirk and is exercising her sexual fantasies about being
around him and inhaling his presence.  Yeah, sure, right.  "His shirt fit
too well, as the rec room lights glinted off his hair giving him the
appearance of a Greek God."  Gag.

	Then I picked up _Ghost Ship_ because it was the first TNG novel,
and I wanted to see how it fared.  Now, to be honest, I'm going to forgive her
absolutely appalling characterizations because she had to write the book
from the writer's Bible and the shows hadn't begun airing yet.  But that's it.
Otherwise, she should have been ashamed of herself for the plotting (SAVE OUR
SHIP RUN AWAY SAVE OUR SHIP RUN AWAY SAVE OUR SHIP) and the putrid writing.

	"Troi bolted awake in bed, the sweat collecting between her breasts
as though someone had dumped a beaker of glycerin on her shoulders."

	"She was as opposite to her usual demeanor as she could get without
mud-wrestling first."

	"Machine, my ass."

	"Riker dropped himself into the wishing well of Yar's eyes and 
allowed himself to swim for a brief moment."

	"Wesley's face had the porcelin-smooth look of sixteen."

	All the characters did was yell at each other a lot and make speeches.
Next to John Vornholt's books and _Gulliver's Fugitives_, this has to be
the worst TNG book ever.

	Now, she's written a new hardcover.  I'm not even going to buy it in
used beaten-up paperback form.  That's the only way to get the message through
to Pocket Books - stop buying the books until they get better quality writers.

	Now, the last good Trek book (actually enjoyable is a better word to
use, since none have been really GOOD) was Imzadi.  I can't remember another
one before that that was really decent.

	So, boycott Diane Carey!  (Don't boycott Diane Duane)

	(BTW, in case anybody cares, _Best Destiny_ replaces the novel
_The God Thing_ by Gene Roddenberry and Michael Jan Friedman.  I'm hoping
someone can explain the substitution.)
From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Data & Contractions
Date: 8 Oct 92 04:47:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.190055.29126@axis.dsg.ti.com> rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com  
(Ron Beck) writes:
> Ya know, I've followed several threads concerning Data's lack of
> ability to use contractions and I've formed a theory on this.  So,
> consider this:
> 
> 	Dr Soong (sp?) developed Data to be less human to calm
> 	the agitated colonists.  To do this, "the good doctor"
> 	*programmed* into Data a filter that prevents Data from
> 	using a contraction when speaking.  So, if Data were to
> 	think "I've got a feeling"  the filter kicks in and expands
> 	"I've" to "I have".

Well, that's a nice theory, but according to the show, that is incorrect.  I
have been posting regarding Data and contractions, and I more and more agree
with my point.  In one episode, I think it was when Data made his daughter,
he specifically said that it wasn't that he couldn't use contractions, but 
that his programming wasn't able to master when and when not to use
contractions.  Thus, he never uses them.
I still contend that the use of contractions has less to do with the rules
of grammar and more to do with emotions.  In order to use contractions, you
must know whether or not a sentence sounds better with or without it.  And
that requires emotions.  If you rmember, the episode in which Data creates
his daughter, what's her face was able to learn how to use contractions, but
it was at that point that she was beginning to understand emotions.
--
"I drank what?" -- Socrates

judson@watserv.ucr.edu
From: lpeters@postmaster@hq.af.mil (Leslie D Peters)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Cpt. Ross Perot
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:51:30 GMT
Reply-To: lpeters@marge.hq.af.mil
Organization: 7th Communications Group

Of course, his REAL first name is.............Hugh!
(Now there's a thought!)

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From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: S.O.S.:  Relics (1)
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:19:35 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University


Here it is!  S.O.S. #4: _Relics_.

Looks like a good week.  Good turnout.  Good episode.  Things are just
GOOD!

I'll let the numbers speak for themselves...

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Rupley       8.0 / 10.0      8.0         * * * * * * * *
Mark Ruzon        8.5 / 10.0      8.5         * * * * * * * * Y
Matt Hucke        9.0 / 10.0      9.0         * * * * * * * * *
Jose Gonzalez    10.0 / 10.0     10.0         * * * * * * * * * *
=======================================================================
Average                           8.9         * * * * * * * * *
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Partial point key:
  [,] 0.1-0.2   [>] 0.3-0.4   [Y] 0.5-0.6   [X] 0.7-0.8   [*] 0.9-1.0 

Hmm, and people were worried that this episode would be a loss when it
was first discribed in USA Today way back when. :-)

Please feel free to contribute to the weekly S.O.S.  Ratings are
welcome from all interested parties (or fiestas, or soirees, or...)
No letter grades, please.  Too much disagreement over what they mean
on a 10 point scale.

The second S.O.S. posting for Relics will (probably) be made Sunday
night and will include all ratings I get between now and then.  After
that second posting, the polls will open for the 5th S.O.S.:  Schisms.

Abublee...Abublee...That's all folx!  See you next posting!

Joe
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