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From: spesau@acs.ucalgary.ca (Shane P Esau)
Subject: Re: Shoulder  Problems
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 03:38:10 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <Bt4w8s.AnA@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> ahkkim@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Alexander Kim) writes:
>I have been swimming for a long time now and quite recently, I have developed
>shoulder problems.  Iwent to a doctor to have it checked out and he said it was
>burcitis (sp?).  He told me to lay off any heavy shoulder work for about six
>weeks.  Unfortuneately, I can not hold off that long.  I have to start serious
>workouts in about three weeks.  One of my friends said she had a similar 
>problem, but that she swam through the pain, but now she  has to deal with
>a dislocated shoulder problem.  Can anyone share any similar experiences or
>offer any advice?
>
>
I had similar problems when I was swimming competitively.  I was
told it was tendonitis or bursitis (most often it is tendonitis).
I went to physio (didn't help much), had cortisone shots (helped
for a few weeks, then pain returns), and hammered the weights
(this almost cured me),  So my suggestion is to use
light-moderate weights and do lots of shoulder girdle weights.
You have to strengthen the deltoids and traps as much as
possible.  An alternative is surgical tubing to help strengthen
the shoulder girdle.  Many books on swimming have these
excercises in them, so check there, otherwise I can try to
explain them to you via email.

It worked for me.

Shane Esau (spesau@acs.ucalgary.ca)  

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From: swimmer@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Jennifer Bouck)
Subject: STRETCHES
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:55:21 GMT

bryan@ruapehu.ucsb.edu writes:

>What are some good stretches for before and after swimming?

Lets see how well I can describe the exercises the Wolfpack goes
through....

First, we begin with neck stretches, front to back, side to side (rolling
is supposedly not good)

Swing arms in circles first forward, then backwards for each arm.

Pull arm across chest and pull behind neck 

Get with a partner and grab your partners arms behind their back and bring
them slowly together until your partner says stop

For legs, first cross your feet and bend over to touch toes, cross legs both 
ways

Sit on the ground with legs spread and reach to each leg, and in the middle

Put one leg bent over the other which is straight out and twist at your torso

Bring feet together in kind of a diamond shape and press down on your legs to
the ground

I think thats about it... I hope you can figure out these from my descriptions.
I must say, its a lot easier to show then describe!


			GO WOLFPACK....MEN'S ACC CHAMPIONS!!
















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From: daveh@techlaw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: test message
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:12:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: techlaw.1992Aug19.211239.9881
Organization: MARGER JOHNSON McCOLLOM & STOLOWITZ Inc, Portland OR

this was a test


thanks
From: sven@mantaray.cs.indiana.edu (sven anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Contacts?
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:37:34 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University


ahkkim@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Alexander Kim) writes:

>>Do any of you wear contact lenses while you swim?  If so, what type of goggles
>>do you use?

I wear gas permeable contacts and the $5 Speedo foam-padded goggles.
I've been swimming regularly this way with no problem for about 4
years.  Well...a couple of times a contact popped out, but then it
just fell into my goggles and I popped it back in.  (I *don't* wear
contacts when I run.  Too expensive.)
-- 
sven@cs.indiana.edu

Sven Anderson
Phonetics Laboratory
Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
From: bryan@ruapehu.ucsb.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Stretching
Summary: What are some good stretches before swimming
Keywords: stretch
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:06:54 GMT

What are some good stretches for before and after swimming?

Tom Bryan
bryan@gauss.ece.ucsb.edu

From: lkc@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Lee Casuto)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:06:04 GMT
Subject: Re: headaches during LSD on cool days
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming

In rec.sport.swimming, mgxg1342@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael G. Xakellis) writes:

> Can anyone suggest causes for these headaches?  I have ignored them
> so far, but that really seems foolish -- my body is trying to tell
> me something.

Sounds like it's telling you not to swim distance.  Sound advice, too.  

(Sorry, I just couldn't resist.  I hope you find the real answer.)

l\

> 
> Thanx,
> 
> Mike Xakellis
From: jlk@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM (Joe Kittel)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:38:07 GMT
Subject: Re: freestyle breathing
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming


>Hi Mike,
>    I'm no expert; I'm just relating personal experience.  I find that
>what I do in workout may or may not reflect what happens in a meet.
>For example, on a sprint, I have defined a breathing pattern that I
>will use in the event.  This breathing pattern is quite different from
>my workout pattern.  In a meet I try to combine the best practices
>tactic with what feels comfortable so that I can concentrate on the
>race.  On a distance event (when I used to swim such beasts), I used
>the pattern that I had developed during the workouts (that's 3 count
>alternate breathing for me).  However, I did not make this a hard and
>fast rule for the race.  If I was feeling lack of oxygen in the race,
>I adjusted the breathing.  In distance I had the time to do this.
>For any distance 200 or shorter, I use my workouts to help me develop
>the most efficient breathing pattern for the race.  I then try to
>apply that pattern during the taper portion of the season.

Ignore what this "Lee" character has to say ... :-)

Try various methods and do what you feel comfortable with and give you
the best times; use what works for you!

Joe Kittel
HP - Fort Collins, CO
From: lkc@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Lee Casuto)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:26:07 GMT
Subject: Re: freestyle breathing
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming

> What happens is that when your body is under stress it reverts to an
> experience which it is used to. Example: If you normally breathe every
> stroke in training then when you're racing, breathing every 5th, and
> you're trying to push yourself to go faster your body will revert to 
> breathing every stroke. Therefore you should practice as you intend
> to race, perfect turns, correct breathing, etc.
> 

That's not exactly what I had in mind.  Your example is quite accurate,
though.  If you try to drastically change your breathing style, from
practice to meet, you'll be in trouble.  What I had in mind was that
I train using 3 count (all of every workout) breathing, except at taper
time.  At that point I start incrementing up to 5, 7, and 9 count
breathing.  My body has built up a "lack of oxygen" tolerance to allow me 
to increase slightly the amount I don't breathe.  My example for a 100 M 
free would be to breathe 5 count for the first 50, and revert back to 3 
count for the second 50 (at altitude).  At sea level, I've been successful 
with 7 counting the first 50 and 5 counting the second.  This can be done 
because I'm fresh for the event.

l\


> Judge Raz
> 
> redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie  |    ~~~    |  You got my body now you want my soul 
> Donncha Redmond        |    o-o    |  Now can't have none of that 
> National Swim Team     |     ^     |  Tell her whatta say Mace 
> Ireland		       |    `-'    |  Say no go		-- De La Soul
From: sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Hand Paddles (was Re: Fins... (was Re: Shoulder Problems))
Date: 20 Aug 1992 15:53:00 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: hera.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug19.200012.1828@advtech.uswest.com> jsalmi@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (John Salmi) writes:
#*
#*on a related note, i'd like feedback on hand paddles.  i've not had the
#*opportunity to try them out, but a young collegiate swimmer that i was
#*pacing last week had a pair of them, and he remarked at the upper body
#*workout that he got from them.  
#*
#*cheers,
#*-- 
#*John Salmi		<jsalmi@uswest.com>		(303) 595-2863

The main purpose of using hand paddles is supposed to be
stroke correction; they are supposed to make it more
difficult to maintain an inefficient hand/arm position.
However, they can also put a great strain on the elbow
and have been known to cause injuries. Personally, I
don't use them since I'm comfortable with my stroke
efficiency and don't want to risk injury.

In fact, I only swim and kick with a kickboard (I used
to kick without a kickboard which takes more effort).
I'm 45, and Doc Counsilman reported that it was pointless
to pull with a pull buoy after about the age of 30
because the first thing to go with age is the kick, so
if you want a good workout, you don't want to completely
stop kicking. I haven't tried working out with fins,
though I see lots of people doing so.

Steve Goldfield
From: I.A.Inman@newcastle.ac.uk (Ian Alexander Inman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Re: Anti-Fog Goggles
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:29:08 GMT
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.



The saliva idea works with ordinary goggles as well.

You have to redo it every so often when you swim though, because it  seems to wear off after half an hour to an hour.

Me - thinks that the anti - fog goggles are a waste of time.

(A bit like the British swimming squad!!! :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
 - don't take it personal - only joking. )

					I.A.Inman@newcastle.ac.uk (n08dp)


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From: swimmer@hobbes.catt.ncsu.edu (Jennifer Bouck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Shoulder Problems
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:21:57 GMT
Organization: N. C. State Computer and Technologies Theme Program

In article <Bt8q6K.7LA@scd.hp.com> schmitz@scd.hp.com (John Schmitz) writes:
>swimmer@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Jennifer Bouck) writes:
>> I am now a junior in college swimming 
>[...]
>> have risked it because I love swimming.  I think though my shoulder will be 
>> very happy when my swim career is over.  
>
>OVER!?!  You have a long way to go before then.  US Masters swimming
>has a 95+ age group.  Don't even think about quitting...
>
>;-)

Okay, how about if I mean, til my extremely serious swimming (Eg. getting
killed by my coach) is over.  I had forgot about how I had made my goals to
set world masters records when I am in my 90s!!! :)

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From: knapik@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jim Knapik)
Subject: World Class Workout
Keywords: training
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:55:35 GMT

Can anyone offer any info on how much time world class swimmers spend
training, in and out of the water ?


What might a typical workout look like for a 200yd speciality swimmer? 


-- 
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Motorola - Mobile Data Division
knapik@mdd.comm.mot.com
From: fishman@tracker.rtp.dg.com (Mike Fishman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Paddles, Pull-bouys, Fins and Gloves
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:49:30 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.swimming
Organization: Data General Corp., Westboro, MA

OK, I've watched the Masters workout, and I've paced a lot of swimmers in both
the morning sessions, and the evenings.. I'm willing to admit I'm much
slower than most of the men, and probably the majority of the women, In fact,
If I had an ego, it would probably be crushed by some of the morning regulars
who are 120 lbs soaking wet, but swim past me like I'm floatsam (sp)
BUT... MY QUESTION IS:

What are the merits of paddles, buoys, fins, webbed gloves, and other "devices"?
Which are better for increased speed, versus endurance versus increased muscle
tone? I'm not sure which of these 3 I'm interested in, so a summary of cost /
benefit would be best. I'll summarize if I get enough email ..

I have been doing my "OLD" workout consisting of a 440 free, a 440 P&PB,
440 backstroke and 440 kickboard/breast-stroke (and when I'm feeling good,
another 440 of assorted) ... Now I'm considering integrating paddles, or gloves
and maybe fins, but I'm wondering what I'll gain from having to carry all these
things to the "Y" every day. And how much can i realistically cram into a 60min
swim / day.

I'm pleased with my increase of endurance, and so far the upper body is looking
good, but I wonder what else I might do to increase my speed, efficiency,
style etc.. 

PS I've been practicing bi-lateral breathing and I believe it's really making
a difference. Now I can take on twice as much water in less than half the time
;-)..Thanks for the input.....

						Mike Fishman
				(part-time engineer and full-time fisherman)
{									      }
{These are strictly my opinions and not necessarily those of my employer      }
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{ PS: email: fishman@tracker.webo.dg.com .or. mike_fishman@DGC.ceo.dg.com     }
From: lkc@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Lee Casuto)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:09:47 GMT
Subject: Re: Olympic Questions
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming

I didn't intend for this question to be bashing of anyone (in particular).
It's just that the trials and training schedule were handled differently
this time around.  It may work out once we get used to the idea of a 
big meet in March (the trials) and a big meet in July (the Games).  However,
I have my doubts.  In the past there have been both US and world records set
in the trials only to be bettered in the Games.  It seems like there was
a successful formula here, and it shouldn't have been tampered with.

Once you get to the caliber of athlete who competes in the Olympics, 
most of the area for improvement is psychological.  What could be better
than to go in to the games with the psychological advantage of knowing
that you just set a U.S. or world record and feeling (and having your
coach psych you in to thinking) that you can do better in the *real* 
competition?

l\
From: alan@techlaw.ogi.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Flip turns
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:14:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: techlaw.1992Aug19.231400.1053
Organization: MARGER JOHNSON McCOLLOM & STOLOWITZ Inc, Portland OR

Does anyone have any suggestions for learning to do a flip turn?  Any advice  
appreciated.  My email address is below.  If I get some good advice, I will  
post a summary of responses.

Thanks,

Alan
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From: jtsai@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jane Tsai)
Subject: Info on swimmers
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 00:42:06 GMT

Is there anyone out there who knows how to get in contact with the 
olympic swimmers (like a c/o address).

Plus I read that Summer Sanders uses e-mail. Was that only in Barcelona
or was that in the States? 

Thanks in advance...


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From: caroline@topaz.Stanford.EDU (Caroline Lambert)
Subject: Re: Shoulder  Problems
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:50:33 GMT

In article <Bt4w8s.AnA@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> ahkkim@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Alexander Kim) writes:
>I have been swimming for a long time now and quite recently, I have developed
>shoulder problems.  Iwent to a doctor to have it checked out and he said it was
>burcitis (sp?).  He told me to lay off any heavy shoulder work for about six
>weeks.  Unfortuneately, I can not hold off that long.  I have to start serious
>workouts in about three weeks.  One of my friends said she had a similar 
>problem, but that she swam through the pain, but now she  has to deal with
>a dislocated shoulder problem.  Can anyone share any similar experiences or
>offer any advice?

If you absolutely have to swim, then get a pair of short fins like
Zoomers, which allow you to get a good workout without putting such a
heavy load on your shoulders.

Then you only have to deal with your coach and lane mates who think
you are being lazy or want to show off by going fast ....

--
Caroline Lambert  		caroline@topaz.Stanford.EDU
Seismic Tomography Project
Department of Geophysics, Stanford University	
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: More weird swimmer's races
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:13:00 GMT

richd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Rich Davis) writes:
>Another "weird" but enjoyable swimming event: Beer relays.

>Though the thought may sound appealing on first blush, it's really 
>quite a challenging event.  Rules are basic, each swimmer does 1
>lap, with a can of beer at the opposite end.  Swimmers race the 
>length of the pool, chug the beer, and swim back.  The challenge
>happens when you TRY to swim back.  

Are you DQ'd if you barf in the pool?

[Yuck!]
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From: liewf@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Thomas Liew)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Re: Anti-Fog Goggles
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:11:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: rpi.1vgywjk
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY

In article <BsvHGK.Io2@newcastle.ac.uk> I.A.Inman@newcastle.ac.uk (Ian Alexander Inman) writes:
>
>
>The saliva idea works with ordinary goggles as well.

Filling  the goggle with a little water may also do the trick.

Thomas Liew
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: schmitz@scd.hp.com (John Schmitz)
Subject: Re: Shoulder Problems
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Santa Clara Division
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:06:19 GMT

swimmer@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Jennifer Bouck) writes:
> I am now a junior in college swimming 
[...]
> have risked it because I love swimming.  I think though my shoulder will be 
> very happy when my swim career is over.  

OVER!?!  You have a long way to go before then.  US Masters swimming
has a 95+ age group.  Don't even think about quitting...

;-)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: James Peters <peters@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: Info on swimmers
Originator: peters@mikey.convex.com
Keywords: summer stanford
Reply-To: peters@convex.COM (James Peters)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:05:47 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <redmondd.714131408@unix1.tcd.ie> redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie (Judge Raz) writes:
>In <1992Aug18.004206.8221@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jtsai@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jane Tsai) writes:
>
>>Is there anyone out there who knows how to get in contact with the 
>>olympic swimmers (like a c/o address).
>
>'Fraid I don't.
>
>>Plus I read that Summer Sanders uses e-mail. Was that only in Barcelona
>>or was that in the States? 
>
>I think that was only in Barcelona. All athletes had access to email over
>there. It was a closed system so they couldn't get hassled by the rest of
>the world. I haven't heard of any of them using email outside Barcelona.
>
>Judge Raz
>
>redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie  |    ~~~    |  You got my body now you want my soul 
>Donncha Redmond        |    o-o    |  Now can't have none of that 
>National Swim Team     |     ^     |  Tell her whatta say Mace 
>Ireland		       |    `-'    |  Say no go		-- De La Soul

let your finger do the walking:
%finger ssanders@stanford.edu
[stanford.edu]
                       Stanford University Whois Service
 "whois help" for general info        | Problems to "whois-problem@networking"
 "whois update" for entry update info | Comments to "help@networking"

        name: Sanders, Summer Elisabeth
  department: Uac
        year: Sophomore
     address: Wilbur Hall, Otero 308, Stanford, Ca, 94305
       phone: (415) 497-1680
      handle: ssanders
  updated-by: download
date-updated: May 22 1992  8:34PM

and if any john hinckley-wanna-be's are tuning in, i have jody foster's address
in nyc ;). 

BTW what is dept. Uac?

regards,
james, peters@convex.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming

Hi Mike,
    I'm no expert; I'm just relating personal experience.  I find that
what I do in workout may or may not reflect what happens in a meet.
For example, on a sprint, I have defined a breathing pattern that I
will use in the event.  This breathing pattern is quite different from
my workout pattern.  In a meet I try to combine the best practices
tactic with what feels comfortable so that I can concentrate on the
race.  On a distance event (when I used to swim such beasts), I used
the pattern that I had developed during the workouts (that's 3 count
alternate breathing for me).  However, I did not make this a hard and
fast rule for the race.  If I was feeling lack of oxygen in the race,
I adjusted the breathing.  In distance I had the time to do this.
For any distance 200 or shorter, I use my workouts to help me develop
the most efficient breathing pattern for the race.  I then try to
apply that pattern during the taper portion of the season.

l\

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