From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:09:09 GMT

In article <2SEP199221354498@deimos.ucc.umass.edu>  
s9874194@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes:
> In article <65500076@acf3.NYU.EDU>, yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )  
writes...
> >usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> > 
> >>Your example about Deng's son actually supports my point. China is a  
lawless  
> >>country and some people can become as crazy as wild dogs under certain  
> >>circumstance. Since Han people treat Han people in this brutal way, you can  
> >>imagine how bad they treat Tibetans.
> > 
> >>Carl
> > 
> >Mr. Carl's arguments are illogical, especilly the last one: "Since
> >Han people treat Han people in this brutal way, you can imagine how
> >bad they treat Tibetans".  
> >Ze Yang
> 
> I think Mr. Ze Yang is right here. According to Carl's logic, Han's treated
> Han's badly, so would treat Tibetans worse and treat foreigners the worst.
> However, the logic in China is probably the opposite: the far you from
> him the best he treat you. That is why foreigners are treated better
> than Chinese. In a family, when there is a guest, kids is always the
> one to yield. May be it is rooted in our culture.
> 
> I may be wrong. Enlight me, somebody.
> c.q


My logic is Han people will not treat people better who are not regarded as  
superior. The sad fact is Han people regard Tibetans at most as equal (if not  
inferior). They may treat some foreigner a bit better but not Tibetans. If you  
walk on the streets of Chinese cities and hear people talk about minorities, I  
bet you won't find a single word about their superiority. Many times you will  
hear words and sentences about how dirty, lazy and uncivilized some minorities  
are. 

It's good to regard all peoples equal. But in China, not all the people think  
this way. Some (if not many) people will feel happy and satisfied if they find  
people "inferior" to them. If They can not find, they will make. 

Take Shanghai for an example. In Shanghai, people look down upon people whose  
ancesters were from northern Jiangshu Province. In some extreme cases, some  
girls would not marry their fellow Shanghainese guys simply because the guys'  
father or grandfather or even grand-grandfather were from northern Jiangshu.  
The reason is probably northern Jiangshu was a poor area among eastern China  
and the first generation from northern Jiangshu usually worked as labors. This  
kind of discriminations are not rare in many parts of China. If China had  
different races, I bet there would be racial discrimination too.

Some of us may still remember the incident happened in Nanjing several years  
ago where a group foreign students from Africa were attacked by Chinese college  
students simply because these Africa students had Chinese girl-friends and made  
local people unhappy. If those African students had been white, there wouldn't  
have been such incident. I would point out that some (if not many) CSS here  
have racial discrimination too although they themselves might be discriminated  
against in the meantime.

I find it hard to believe that Han people treat Tibetans better as Ze Yang  
said. Like some CSS, Ze Yang's opinion is very self-centered. People like him  
always refuse to think from the other side. I guess this is of our "ugly" part  
of Chinese culture. We Chinese used to think China as center of the world and  
expect other peoples think this way too. This is impossible and unfair. When  
some of us find other people have different or opposite opinions, they usually  
feel insulted easily and attack back without logics and reasoning. I guess this  
is related to both our ugly part of culture and people's personalities.

Carl