From: mjw@ocf.berkeley.edu (Marshall Wang)
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Subject: Re: The Shadow Rising - Robert Jordan **SPOILERS**
Date: 9 Oct 1992 04:24:02 GMT
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In article <1992Oct8.111930.4628@desire.wright.edu> cse0080@desire.wright.edu (John C. Hansen) writes:
>The Shadow Rising is a great read!
>
>Spoilers below!  
>

>pierce@seas.gwu.edu (Jeffrey S. Pierce) writes:
>> 
>> My personal suspicions are that Logain *does* join forces with Rand,
>> even if he is not un-stilled (if such a thing is possible).  I believe
>> (and could be wrong) that mention is made of his tactical ability - 
>> maybe he'll serve as a general or something even if he doesn't recover

	Judging by the way things are going, I seriously doubt that Logain
will come in contact with Rand for *quite* some time.  I doubt that he
even cares about Rand at this point; all he wants is revenge.  
	Also, considering the way that Jordan is playing match-maker, 
I won't be suprised if Logaine ends up with Siuan (not after the things
she said about getting married).

>Some answers:
>1. The Aiel and where they came from.  Anybody think it would be this way?

	The Aiel reminded me of the Fremen from Frank Herbert's "Dune". 
The characteristics of the two are certainly similar.  Not to mention the
fact that both had to accept an "outsider" who will (eventually) adopt 
their customs and lead them to victory.
	The link with the Tinkers are certainly a surpise.  But we've
been told that the Aiel used to serve the Aes Sedai before, so it's
more of a clarification than a surprise when it's finally revealed 
_how_ they had served.

>2. How Shaitan got loose. I had no clue.

	Well, Lanfear drilled the hole open, and Lews Therin had to seal
it up.  Right now, I think he's still stuck in there.  Unfortunately,
we probably won't really "see" him until the last book.

>Help me here, people.  What are some more "answers" to questions we may have
>had from the first 3 books.
>Some questions:
>1. Does Rand marry three wives?  Min saw three faces, Elayne, Herself, and
>one unclear one (perhaps - veiled?) (Aviendha, maybe?)

	I'm pretty sure that the third is Aviendha, ever since that
scene about Rand's gift to her.  She probably knows, too, since her
trip to Rhuidean supposedly showed her future, which also explains
part of her anger toward Rand.  Like Min, she probably doesn't have
a choice.
	I'm not sure that he's going to _marry_ all three of them, though.
Aviendha will accept it, probably, but I don't think the other two will.
Besides, he'll probably die before he can marry anyone.

>2. What in tarnation happened to Mat inside the ter'angreal in Rhuidean?

	I think he was given the memories of his past life as a general
in Manetheran (sp) which includes the knowledge of the Old Tongue.

>4. Is Elaida black Ajah?  I was almost certain she wasn't but I can't say
>anymore.  Who killed the girl and the lady at the farm?  

	Elaida is the most likely candidate as the killer.  She's probably
not of Black Ajah, since all she cares about is saving the world (as she
sees it) and Elayne.  The fortelling that she had told her that someone
from the Andorian royal line will be needed in the last battle, and she
assumes it to be Elayne.  However, since Tigraine (the queen before Morgase)
is now revealed to be Rand's mother, the subject of the fortelling is
probably him.  Sure, Elayne might still be needed, but I think Jordan
meant for this to be another one of those misinterpreted prophecies.

>8. Lord Luc/Slayer (Lan's cousin?) what part does he play?  What happens
>when Perrin goes in the tower he should avoid?

	Slayer is Lan's cousin, Isam, whose name the Trollocs shouted
during their last battle with Perrin.  He's supposedly converted by
Ba'alzamon.  I still think that Luc is a separate person, probably
Tigraine's brother (and Rand's uncle) since there's a line about his
claim to the Andorian throne.  As to what his/their part(s) are, I
have no idea.

>9. Will the land return to its modern jo-car, ho-wing (?) state?

	It would be interesting, but not likely.

>11. Liandrin is still loose. What about her?  Nyneave and Elayne haven't 
>escaped yet.

	I get the feeling that the Tanchico part of the story is
far from over...

>12. Do the sad-chains get dumped in the ocean? Not likely.  Does Suroth
>get them?  I hope not.  Why are they sad?

	They supposedly absorbed all the emotions of both the chained
and the chain-holder, which aren't pleasant most of the time, I'd imagine.
But I agree that we've not seen the last of it, though I doubt we'll see
it used on Rand.  Probably on the other False Dragon who escaped, the
one who still hasn't been Gentled.

>... the list could go on and on.  My head is spinning round but now the
>way is clear to me (that's from a song...) I will buy the next book a year
>from now.  (Why does it have to be a year..... moan, sob, whine.)
>
>---
>John C. Hansen
>hansen@logdis1.hq.aflc.af.mil		"... I am working on
>cse0080@wsu.bitnet			a suitable quote..."
>cse0080@desire.wright.edu		- John Hansen


				- Marshall Wang

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