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From: ST101019@brownvm.brown.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: East Timor Communist ? NOT!
Date: 14 Apr 1992 16:28:58 GMT
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Z :     Could you give any documentation of a genocide committed by
the Indonesian government?  I have not come across any of this
allegation before, so it is a news item to me.  The so called
"cultural genocide" does not count.

To Zam and other sceptics who just happened not to read about the
November 12 massacre when Indonesian troops coldbloodedly mowed
down civilians at a funeral ceremony - I am going to go look up
some old East Timor newsbriefs. You want to know about genocide?
You got it.

A teaser : The population of East Timor in 1975 was 688,000. Today,
it is 450,000. Where do you think the rest of them went? And no,
the answer is NOT migration. Think guns, torture and detention.
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From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Subject: To all you weenies....
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:41:24 GMT


	To all you people who are taken in by the propaganda of
certain Western countries regarding our logging, my reply to you is:
go fuck yourself.  Read what our Prime Minister said regarding our
controlled logging, and maybe, you will understand once and for all,
why the whole issue has been blown out of proportion to make us
accountable for what is essentially the developed nations' mistakes.
Open your mind, and try seeing how some developed nations are using
the logging issue to hide the lack of steps taken by their government
to fight global warming.  Your ignorance and willingness to trust some
foreign governments make me sick!!  If I were you, I would take all
the precautionary steps not to reproduce because your children will
turn out to be just like you -- unfaithful, and easily taken in by the
propaganda of other governments.

	Hopefully, the government will continue to log at the present
rate, or increase it to show to the world that we are not affected by
their propaganda or their pressures...

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
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Subject: Re: The French in the Pacific
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 11 Apr 92 17:43:42 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <s4f9vINN105@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> ST101019@brownvm.brown.edu writes:

>Me thinks ALL mass destruction weapons should be banned.  Three
>cheers to the French for suspending nuclear tests in the Pacific.
>
> But Dennis, remember that the French are the ones who persistently
>continued their nuclear testing program despite years and years
>of opposition from every single country in the region. They are the ones
>who sent secret agents to blow up the Rainbow Warrior (and hence killing
>an innocent Portuguese photographer) and who were NOT sorry about it at
>all! 

I don't need you to tell me this.  I am in NZ, see my signiture.
As much as I dislike the French for their nuclear tests and their
continual disregard for the pleas of the Pacific nations I must
applaud their recent announcement that they are suspending all
nuclear tests in the Pacific and if all countries were to 
follow, they would STOP the tests all together.

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From: tun@PHY.UCSF.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: burma:  It's Time for Tough Sanctions -
Date: 16 Apr 92 08:16:51 GMT
From: ASCKN@ASUACAD.BITNET (C. K. Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: The Sultan's Sports car
Date: 6 Apr 92 04:08:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: ASUACAD.92096.210836ASCKN
Organization: Arizona State University

> Sender: Southeast Asia Discussion List
 <SEASIA-L%MSU.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
> From: "Indonesia Publications/Task Force" <apakabar@IGC.ORG>
> Subject:      The Sultan's Car
> X-To:         seasia-l@msu.edu
> To: Multiple recipients of list SEASIA-L <SEASIA-L@MSU>
> Status: R
>
>     Reuter, Kota Bharu, K.T. Arasu, April 3 - A row between a sultan and
> the Malaysian government over his new Italian sports car has sparked
> debate about the rights of the nine hereditary state rulers, who are
> constitutionally above the law.
>     Sultan Ismail Petra, ruler of Kelantan state, last month drove his
> imported Lamborghini Diablo away from a customs area without paying 2.1
> million ringgit ($813,950) in customs duties.
>     "The law must be respected. And we will...make sure the process
> takes place," said Finance Minister Anwar Ibrahim, the most vocal
> minister on the issue.
>     Police say they will neither assist or stop customs officers trying
> to enter the sultan's palaces. But Kelantan officials say the sultan
> will not surrender the car or pay the duties.
>     "The sultan will not surrender the car or pay the duties as he had
> obtained the Kelantan state government's approval to buy the car with
> his own money," Fuad Hassan, the ruler's private secretary, said on
> Friday.
>     "The palaces belonging to Sultan Ismail Petra are protected areas
> and out of bounds to customs officers," he told Reuters in Kota Bharu,
> capital of the state which is controlled by the opposition party.
>     Anwar says the sultan must pay duties as he had exceeded his
> entitlement of seven duty-free luxury cars. Palace officials say
> previous requests for exemption had always been granted and the
> government is now harassing the sultan.
>     "If they think they can use this issue to return UMNO to power they
> are wrong," private secretary Fuad said, adding that the publicity
> against the sultan had angered Kelantanese.
>     Analysts say the car issue could backfire on UMNO and further
> alienate Kelantan from Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad's ruling coalition.
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist?????
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:44:12 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr12.172243.12148@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:

>>It has happened before.  The Indonesian govt, killed many Chinese and
>>force the rest to forget their culture.  They are doing exactly the
>>same thing now - GENOCIDE.  I hope the world can start to place 
>>economic santions against Indonesia and force her to quit East Timor.
>
>	It works, does not it?  The Chinese in Indonesia have
>assimilated into the society and could hardly be differentiated from
>the natives.  If it once worked, the might as well export the style to
>some other places...

Yep, this chap is definately a NAZI, condoning genocide.

>>The Oppressed will always fight the oppressors.
>
>	Yea, but it does not mean they will win...  They can fight for
>eternity and yet not have anything to show for it at the end.

Oh, we are winning.  We are winning in South Africa, NZ, Australia, 
maybe even the States,... and one day Malaysia.

A voice of the oppressed.
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Subject: To speak or not to speak (perfect BM).
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:32:19 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

Here is an extract from Zam's article,

>	Kerajaan pusat tidak mempunyai banyak projek-projek di
>Kelantan, dan dalam setengah-setengah kes, tidak mahu membiayai projek
>di Kelantan kerana masalah yang dihadapi oleh kerajaan Pusat dengan
>parti pembangkang di Kelantan.  Cukai tersebut, in all likelihood,
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>akan disalurkan di tempat-tempat seperti Kuala Lumpur, dan Seremban,
>daripada bandar-bandar di Kelantan.  Kenapa mesti duit YM Sultan
>Kelantan digunakan untuk membangunkan bandar-bandar yang bangsa Cina
>adalah majoriti ditempat-tempat tersebut.  Saudari juga tahu yang
>lebih banyak duit kerajaan pusat pergi ke KL daripada Kota Bharu, dan
>dalam kes ini, benda yang sama akan berlaku.  Oleh sebab ini, saya
>sebagai Rakyat Kelantan, tidak mempunyai apa-apa masalah pun dengan
>perlakuan YM Sultan Ismail Petra dalam perkara diatas.
                                                ^^^^^^

This is from a person who advocates that one should speak "perfect BM".
A person who doesn't speak perfect BM should be stripped off his/her
Malaysian citizenship.  So I guess Zam should be stripped of his
citizenship.  Further, he claims that he is "sickened" by people
who do not speak perfect BM.  He must one really sick guy because 
he has to be sick of himself of life.

"Cukai tersebut, in all likelyhood, ..." - perfect BM.  This I will remember 
for life.

Zam, go to Indonesia.

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From: lsomasun@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (L Somasundaram)
Subject: Test
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:25:34 GMT

Please ignore - just a test.
From: jit@slic.cellbio.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Zam Again!
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:11:25 GMT
Originator: jit@slic.cellbio.duke.edu

In article <1992Apr15.073211.54490@cc.usu.edu> fajack@cc.usu.edu writes:
>
>> Thank goodness most Malaysians are not racists like Zam.  You do not
>> deserve to be representing your country in the U.S.A.  You represent
>> it rather poorly.  It seems that most Malaysians on the net would
>> rather not have you back and I don't blame them.  With your attitudes,
>> I'm glad you're not an American.  I'd be ashamed.
>> 
>	I am sure by now even the Malays are embarrased by his behaivor.
>I am even ashamed he is associated with the human race.
>

Good lord.  As a Malaysian, I am embarrased by his behavior regardless.
If you do notice, I have stopped replying to his vulgarity lately.
Don't want my name to be associated with his dirty articles.
From: gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (JAAFAR,EMERIZAL AHMAD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: bored beyond belief II
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:47:18 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

...I know...why don't we talk about food!!!  Yesss!!!  I think that's it.
I've been needing the recipe on how to make a true "kuah" for "laksa
Penang".  Anybody our there really expert on making the kuah?  It's
the kuah that really give it a kick doesn't it?

...and another thing, is yong tou fou(I don't even know the exact spelling)
a malaysian chinese dish or it pretty much universal?  I've tried to
order it in an oriental restaurant before but they just looked at me as if
I'm crazy.  My friends from HK and Taiwan never heard of it before.
well, maybe it's just a malaysian 'thing'.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist ? NOT!
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:06:13 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr14.191854.24657@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja) writes:

>>A teaser : The population of East Timor in 1975 was 688,000. Today,
>>it is 450,000. Where do you think the rest of them went? And no,
>>the answer is NOT migration. Think guns, torture and detention.
>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>How do you know there is NOT a migration???????

Yeah right, a migration from the streets to the jail and slaughter houses.

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From: ngph@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Peh H. Ng         )
Subject: Re: To all you weenies...attn:ZAM et. al.
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:33:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.173731.12923@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>   [stuff deleted]

>	Nope, it is against the Islamic Law and I would never do such
>a thing.  But knowing that you Chinese will do anything for the money,
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>will you do your father, mom, sisters and brothers if someone offers
>enough money?  I bet you would...
 

 This is directed to Zam, et.al. who have been making stereotypical 
   remarks about certain groups of people.

     How would you like it if someone says to you : you Malays would 
     do anything for the money? OR any kinds of stereotypical and 
     unsubstantiated statements about Malays. 
     Case in point: Someone on the net had quote that "Malays are fools" 
     (which I think is a bunch of excrement), and I recall many of you were 
     up in arms about it.

     So, please, from one educated human to another, before you make these 
     kinds of statements, put some of your grey and white matter in your 
     skull to use. (Unless you are that dense, which I sincerely doubt - but 
     am beginning to wonder). If you have to "flame" a person, 
     retort about him/her/it  by referring to this person, not his/her/its 
     entire species or race.   
  
Thank you for your time.

Peh H. Ng

P/S BTW, this Malaysian (who happened to have Chinese ancestry) would 
     NOT do anything for money. It is called "pride" and "principle" - 
     do you have any, Zam?????

>
>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
>The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
>promised to take our land and they took it.
>                                                        Red Cloud
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Assimilation by the Chinese in Malaysia....
From: lcsim@cstp.umkc.edu (Lin-Chow Sim)
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:49:22 -0600
 <1992Apr2.003532.19211@athena.mit.edu> <1992Apr02.021456.14526@eng.umd.edu>
Organization: Univ. of Missouri - Kansas City

In article <1992Apr02.021456.14526@eng.umd.edu>, eduardo@eng.umd.edu (Eduardo H. Guiraud) writes:
>>>> 
>>>> readiness of the local Chinese to acculturate.  The Chinese in
>>>> Thailand appears to be the most acculturated.  They are followed by
>>>> the Chinese in the Philippines and Indonesia; THE LEAST ACCULTURATED
>                                        ^^^^^^^^^
>     Are you sure that applies to Chinese Indonesian?
>     If there is any Chinese Indonesia who dares to speak up, you
>     will find out that even they (Chinese Indonesian) assimilate into
>     the society, those Native Indonesian treat them as if they don't
>     belong in Indonesia.

     The Indonesian case sounds to me like more of "being forced" than
"assimilated", especially looking at the seriousness of Indonesian government's
tactics against Chinese for the past 30 years or so.

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From: Cynthia Dawood <sl298028@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: just curious...
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 05:06:32 GMT


	Okey.. let's say the the proposed 'hudud' law really gets implemented in
Kelantan. Then my question is ... will a thief be given any seduction to knock
him unconcious before his arm is amputated..... I sure hate to hear him 
(or her????) screaming at the top of his/her lung....... 

oh...one more thing question... who's going to carry out the sentence...a 
qualified doctor?? and will the amputation ceremony be carried out in the public
(at a market compound for example) ....I heard in the middle east they beheaded
the guilt in the public....as a lesson. Gee.. so many things come into mind....

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Subject: Re: To speak or not to speak (perfect BM).
Reply-To: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 14:54:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.193223.4633@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:
>
>Zam, go to Indonesia.

What makes you think Indonesia would want him?

>Dennis Chuah  | "Pencangkul Matahari"  email:   



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From: teo2@quads.uchicago.edu (Leslie Teo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Rain Forests, Logging, etc.
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:54:20 GMT
Reply-To: teo2@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: soc.culture.asean
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Hi,

Much has been said about the moral/ethical problems of logging in
developing countries, particularly Malaysia. Here's a simple solution:
let market forces decide how the rain forests should be used. In
particular, if M'sia wants to log all of its forest so be it.
Eventually, prices of tropical hardwoods will cause a decrease in
demand. If we're short-sighted and have devasted M'sia's natural
resources in the process so be it: we reap what we sow. At the very
least, this makes arguments over figures, definitions, etc. less
important. If there is controlled logging then the forests will be
around for sometime (it would be easy to demonstrate, rather
artificially, that this would be a solution that maximizes profit in the
long run), if the government is not be honest than the rain forests
won't be around and we will know so enough. 

Take this will a grain of salt. I'm not particularly serious; just want
to provide a "solution" that is "free" of unsubstantiated, subjective,
etc. commentaries and information.
From: tloh@husc8.harvard.edu (Teck Loh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Azizam - Oppressors and the Oppressed
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:32:30 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr14.195604.22817@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.031212.4684@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr13.195700.29943@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>>
>>>>Azizam says that the oppressed may fight but they will not win ... I
>>>>will forever cherish this date: 9th August 1965.  Please do not treat
>>>>this as a flame for any country or any race.  Skunks like Azizam will
>>>>always exist ... be they Malay, Chinese, Indian, Caucasian, Negro etc
>>>...                                                         ^^^^^^^
>>>
>>>	You just insulted the whole African-American people with that
>>>remark.  While you are at it, why don't you just call them N*g&%r?
>>
>>While you criticise other people for making a racist remark, it is
>>alright for you to broadcast yours, isn't it?
>
>	A Flame uses to defend oneself against other's personal attack
>is a justifiable course of action, as far as I am concerned.  I do not
>flames without any provocation -- that has been my motto all these
>times.
>
>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
>The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
>promised to take our land and they took it.
>                                                        Red Cloud

 How can you forget something you have written only a few weeks ago?
You may want to refer to some of the articles before trying to justified your
actions. Apparently, you don't think that you have an image problem......

T-P Loh
Organization: Freshman, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:52:23 -0400 
From: Azmeer Salleh <as60+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: basically hello to all you people out there.

DISCLAIMER:  All the opinions in this posting are those of the author
and the author alone.   Count to five before reading this post.  Count
only to five, no more, no less.  Five, and only five, is the number to
which you must count.  Not one, for it is too little. Not two, for it is
only one up from one. Nor may you count to three or four as they are not
five.  Any number greater than five will not count, anyway.  So go on
and read it already.




Helloooooo......

I know all of you are out there..I can hear you breathing.

Firstly, I finally found this
ever-so-mysterious-bboard-for-which-I-have-been-searching-so-long.
And now that I've found it...I'm going to be putting/posting/writing
letters/messages/flames/whatnot on this thing.

From the general mood and atmosphere of this bboard, I feel obliged to
post my thoughts on the 'typical' Malaysian.

There is no 'typical' Malaysian (i.e., Malay/Chinese/Indian/Any other
ethnicity)

There is no 'typical' person.

This is all stuff which has been heard before, but I think that all
sweeping generalizations have got to stop [and yes, the pun was
intended].  

And as Mr. Osman-Rani reportedly said/wrote :

		The Malaysian society needs to grow up. period.

And let me say that as a race, the Human race still has a LOT more
growing up to do.

And before this turns into one of those 'OH WE ARE SO BAD, WE MUST
CHANGE OUR WAYS' posts, let me just say that it's all been said before.

So go back to where you found it and read it again ;-)

'Nuff zed.

So hello to all of you out there, and boom-chaka-chaka-chaka-boom!

-Azmeer Salleh 
  From the Universitie de Carnegie-Mellon
   

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