HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: therrien@harris.mlb.semi.harris.com (Patty Therrien)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: NCSU and the Kickoff Classic- Response
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:29:37 GMT
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

In article <1992Aug19.195107.26474@ncsu.edu> delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
>
>  2. I suppose you can call NCSU overrated, and still expect people to
>     believe that Georgia Tech is 23rd? Ha! 

When you consider the fact that Tech had a somewhat average year last year,
AND lost Bobby Ross to the NFL (San Diego),  that MAY be a reasonable
ranking.


-- 
Patricia Therrien (Patty)	 |Internet therrien@harris.mlb.semi.harris.com
		    "Some folks see a bird's eye view  
   			  Others haven't got a clue" 
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From: jdavidso@teknowledge.com (Jim Davidson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Stanford in top 10?
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:33:01 GMT
	<92223.132156ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Organization: Cimflex Teknowledge Corporation, Knowledge Systems Division
In-reply-to: ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU's message of 10 Aug 92 21:21:56 GMT

>     Well, considering that they ended the season last year at 17th and
> didn't have any major losses, I don't think that a top-10 preseason ranking
> is out of hand.  Even without Bill Walsh I see a team that's very tough to
> beat.  Vardell's gone (but we have Milburn), (Chris) Walsh is gone (but we have
> Pinkney), and Whitfield's gone (but we have just about everyone else from
> the line, which last season was bigger than *any* in the nation save the
> Indianapolis Colts).  

This last point touches on one of the major changes for Stanford.  Walsh
has made it clear that he wants to O-line to lose weight, so that they can
be quicker on things like sweeps.

Denny Green had actually gone to a Big-10 style of offence (3 yards & a cloud
of dust), mostly because he had the horses for it -- literally :-).  Green had
hoped to make more use of Milburn, but he got hurt.

Walsh will use a more Bill Walsh style of offence, not surprisingly.  That
relies on lots of short passes, including passes to the backs.  In other
words, Milburn has to remain healthy, and they have to find some receivers who
can catch the ball.

If that happens, Top 10 is quite doable, IMHO.  In his previous stint at
Stanford, Walsh had Top 20 teams both years, and he started with a lot less
than Green left him this time round.

-Jim
From: swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Auburn News
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:58:24 GMT

Auburn practices in full gear today (August 20) for the first time this fall.
Here are a few things that have been in local papers:

- Senior safety Clarence Morton will have surgery to repair a separated
shoulder this morning.  Morton is expected to be out for six to eight weeks.

- Chris Shelling is the leader at stronger safety and Otis Mounds leads at
free safety (both are sophs).  Other players who figure to play at safety
are juniors Mark Johnson and Mike Pina, redshirt freshman Brian Robinson and
true freshman Cedric Holcey.

- Tight end Shawn Malone and wide receiver Robert Scott were hurt diving for
balls but have returned to practice.

- Soph wide receiver Frank Sanders has a bulging disk in his back and has
not practiced, but a shot of cortisone today might help him get there (Hey,
that's what the article said!  Dave).  "He was the highlight of spring
practice," Dye said, "so that hurts."

- Running back Joe Frazier continues to miss practice because of a knee
injurey suffered during the summer conditioning program.  The nature of the
injury is uncertain, but Dye indicated it might be a cartilage injury
requiring arthroscopic surgery in the near future.  

- Frazier led the Tigers in rushing last year but redshirt freshman Ted
Yarbrough was the top running back in spring practice.  Highly regarder
freshman Roymon Malcolm has been slowed by a hamstring this week.

- Three potential starters, fullback Reid McMillion, center Greg Thompson
and defensive end Ricky Sutton continue to practice on a part-time basis. 
They are eased on with the hope of being ready for the first game, Sept 5 at
Ole Miss.

- Tony Amason, a soph walk-on, leads Scott Etheridge and Jason Stoft in the
place-kicking competition.  The punting situation remains unclear.

- Controversy a thing of the past, Tigers say...  "I'm not worried about
Eric Ramsey.  I don't care about him.  I don't know where he is.  I don't
care to hear about it,"  Auburn quarterback Stan White said.  "It's over
with as far as I'm concerned," fullback Reid McMillion said.  Auburn has
still not received an official letter from the NCAA and might not until
September.  Schools are allowed 90 days to respond to NCAA charges, so
Auburn might not answer any potential charges until late November and any
penalty would not be handed down until after the season.

- Dye says only 5 players have their jobs locked up, tight end Fred Baxter,
qb Stan White, tackles Chris Gray and Wayne Gandy and cornerback Fred Smith.

- Defensive lineman Walter Tate might return and play in the 93 season if he
can pass enough classes.  Walter has one year of eligibility left.

- Auburn has hired a new strength coach, Steve Maples, from Southern Miss.

Oh well, more later!

-- 
David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rickhall@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Richard Scott Hall)
Subject: Which Michigan game to see?
Summary: Oklahoma State or Houston?
Keywords: Michigan
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:13:55 GMT

I will be going to Michigan in September and would
like to plan my trip around a Michigan football game,
so can anyone give me their opinions on which game
would be better to go see, Michigan vs. Oklahoma State
or Houston?  Any requests will be appreciated...

Thanks,

Richard Hall

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Subject: Re: Schedule determines #1
Keywords: n
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:32:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.150309.28665@hou.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace) writes:
>>
>>+ BTW, what is the Pac-10's tie breaker???
>>
>>I've been informed that the tie breaker is given to the team that has been
>>the longest away from the RBowl.
>>
>So Washington can be undefeated, ranked #1 and not get invited to the 
>Rose Bowl...  I LOVE IT!!!  Another year the Rose Bowl misses a Nat'l
>Championship game!!

This is true.  Interestingly enough, this would put the Huskies into the 
Bowl Alliance.  They could end up playing for the MNC against the #2 team
(assuming Big Ten champ != 2), if both UW and UCLA are undefeated in conference
play and the UW wins enough out of conference games to be ranked #1 after
the regular season.

****************************************************************************
Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Truth is a statue, and you are all just 
University of Washington      *   a bunch of pigeons. 
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Who do you think will win
Keywords: n
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:44:12 GMT

>
>As for the mightly Canes playing some NFL teams ... I think you've been
>putting a little too much sugar on your cornflakes at breakfast.  Let's
>face it, the Canes are good, but the worst NFL team would still kick
>their butts.
>
That wouldn't be Tampa would it?  ;-)

cmuck

ps- for those of you that don't know, I grew up in Pensacola, and went
    to Tampa's first game..  Houston drubbed them 20-0, have been a 
    buc fan every since.  And at the rate they are going, I figure I
    will save a lot of money by not having to pay for Super Bowl 
    tickets..  :-)

and yes, even the worst team would clobber the 'canes...
From: andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Demt. DuBose (sp?) playing
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:02:28 GMT
Reply-To: andy@misha.central.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: misha.central.sun.com

In article 5300@leland.Stanford.EDU, paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische) writes:
>While that may be true, about three years ago Holtz suspended Michael Stonebreaker,
> one of the teams best linebackers, for teh entire season because  he had move a
>friend's car down the street when his license had been suspended (Stonebreaker's
>license, that is.)
>I remember thinking that it was an unduly harsh punishment at the time.

No,  Notre Dame threw him out of school because he violated his punishment.
Stonebreaker nearly killed himself & his date because he was driving while 
drunk.  His punishment was not to drive.  The school police saw him drive &
turned him into the judicial board.  


---
Andy Knipp  SE                |
Sun Microsystems              | The secret of success is sincerity,
Schaumburg, IL                | once you can fake that,  you have it made.
andy@sunbird.central.sun.com  |
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: train09@meaddata.com (Training ID9)
Subject: Most rushing yards this year?
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:17:18 GMT


   Who do you think will have the most rushing yards/passing yards this year?  Just curious.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jvbutera@grad07.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: Re: Demt. DuBose (sp?) playing
Keywords: Holtz, sit out
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:23:50 GMT

In article <66489@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
>

>think they were Mirer and some defensive guy, were arrested at a party.
                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the game.  That's what happened with Clemson last year.  The announcers even
>praised Clemson for sacrificing "a whole quarter" of football to make a point.

Yeah, but the Clemson situation was different - nobody got arrested, there was
just an attitude clash between Hatfield and some players....

>-- 
>BERNSTEIN,AVRON P
>Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
>uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt6390a
>Internet: gt6390a@prism.gatech.edu


-- 
Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu

DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers!
From: kitchel@moose.cs.indiana.edu (Sid Kitchel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Schedule determines #1
Keywords: nn
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:01:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Aug13.130133.11460
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:

|>zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace) wrote:
|>}
|>}                           I would expect that to be Nebraska or 
|>}something, probably dating back to the 60's, maybe the 50's.  What
|>}about Penn State?  They had a couple of stumbling years a few years
|>}ago, but did they dip below .500? 

|>Pepsi State (note spelling) finished 5-6 in 1988.  Our Lady had in
|>losing season in '85 or '86.  Alabama went 5-6 in 1984.  USC went
|>3-8 last year.  My guess is Oklahoma or Nebraska has had the most
|>consecutive winning seasons.

	I don't know about consecutive winning seasons. But OU has the
fewest losing seasons alltime of any program -- 8. I think Alabama is next
with 9 or 10.
	Here's a trivia question: Which school has won the most Big8
champeenships? (Notice I'm now using official OkState spelling
conventions.)

						soONEr born!!!,
						      --Sid

-- 
Sid Kitchel...............WARNING: allergic to smileys and hearts....
Computer Science Dept.                         kitchel@cs.indiana.edu
Indiana University                              kitchel@iubacs.BITNET
Bloomington, Indiana  47405-4101........................(812)334-8100
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Njan)
Subject: Re: Respect for NC State
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 04:41:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.181528.853@rock.concert.net> black@jazz.concert.net (Rob Black) writes:
>like Dick Sheridan's teams at Furman in the early 80's. I would put the
>Top 5 in Div. 2 aginst a lot of teams in the Top 25 any day of the week.
						^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Except the day they actualy play, of course...

>Rob Black                   black@concert.net             Raleigh, NC

Njan
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Schedule determines #1
Keywords: n
Date: 13 Aug 92 03:10:12 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers) wrote:
}
}Assuming Miami is the Big East champ, and Washington is the Pac 10
}runner-up (which is eligible for Bowl Coalition I), case II holds.  If
}the Big East champ's guaranteed spot in one of the Cotton, Orange, or
}Sugar Bowls is actually a requirement, then Miami will play against
}either the SWC, Big 8, or SEC champ -- not Washington.

That's about the size of it.  The only conceiveable scenario would have
Miami turning down the Cotton, Sugar, and Orange to play in the Fiesta,
and according to the Coalition agreement:

  The ACC and Big East champions and Notre Dame have the right to
  pass a Tier One selection for a _higher_payout_, to avoid a rematch
  of a regular season game, or to avoid playing in a partcular bowl
  game for the 3rd consecutive year.

So if the Fiesta Bowl could come up with the extra cash (as it did in '88,
for instance) Miami could pass until it ended up in the Fiesta, I think.
It's not clear from the summary I have whether Washington would be able to
do the same or not.  (Though the non-Fiesta bowls might show some sense
and just not try to invite them.)

This needs to be cleared up, as does the problem of having no provision
for the SEC, Big Eight, or SWC champs to play one another should the
need arise.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
        "... and we tell ourselves that what we found 
                   was what we meant to find."
From: jeff@neuron.cs.tamu.edu (Jeff Goldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: the caveat for A&M's offense vs Stanford
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:14:07 GMT
Reply-To: Jeff@cs.tamu.edu
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Texas A&M University

IMHO, one concern about the game between Stanford and Texas A&M, as its
built up to larger proportions, is the possible conservative approach
regarding Granger (A&M's relatively inexperienced, and young sophomore
quarterback).  In this game, he may not be passing too much, at least at
first, and be playing to avoid throwing the int.  An early int would be
the worst thing that could happen from A&M's standpoint, I think, so
consciously trying to avoid it might also become a problem.  Maybe with
his previous experience, this is not warranted, but I think this is most
critical aspect to watch, that one that will set the tempo of the game.

If Stanford can key on the run, it could set a more defensive tempo,
even with the likes of Hill and Thomas.  If Granger can get those first
couple of throws on target, then Stanford will be put back on their
heels early and the Aggies might wreck havoc.

What I'm interested in is any good information about the strengths and
the comparative merits of Stanford's run defense and pass defense from
last season (yardage and what type of teams gave them trouble)?  How
about their take-away give-away statistics?
--
           Jeff Goldberg                        
           College Station, Texas       
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: Re: Strength of Southern Conference (was I-AA vs. I-A)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:56:18 GMT

In article <66427@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) write
s:
>therrien@harris.mlb.semi.harris.com (Patty Therrien) wrote:
>
>}Actually, in 1983, one of Tech's 2-9 years, Tech LOST to Furman, blowing
>}the game in the 4th quarter (as they did so many times that year).  The
>}2 wins?  N.C. State and Virginia.  Mark, back me up on this.
>
>It's sad but true!  Tech lost to Furman in '83 and was tied by them
>in '86.  The Jackets also had a heck of a time beating them last
>year, finally pulling it 19-17.  I'm certainly glad we don't have
>to play them up there!

A lot of people are trashing the ACC for losing to Southern Conference teams.  
I think the shoe is on the wrong foot: the Southern Conference is very strong.
I have mentioned before that of all IAA conferences, the Southern could 
become a legitimate IA league, and this is being discussed, mainly for
financial reasons.

About six months ago, there was a lot of discussion about the Marshall-NCSU 
game, and I brought up the point that Southern Conference teams seem to give 
ACC teams a tough time almost every time they play (excepting Clemson).

PDunn
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: Stanford in top 10?
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:57:54 GMT

al.sorhaindo.jr.@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo Jr.) writes:
:
: [stuff warning about a possible disappointing season deleted]
:
: it should be looked upon as "growing pains". Hopefully everyone will
: not then become too down on Walsh, but just come to the realization
: that he is a good coach, not a god.

What about it left-coasters??  This reeks of blasphemy to me!  :')

Beat the Hell outta Stanfurd!

-- 
Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera)
Subject: Re: More Apple Cup stuff!!
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:12:02 GMT

In article <168468721.SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com>, SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jon Schmidt) writes:
|> In article <Bt28yI.JHA@rice.edu>
|> rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera) writes:

|> >Well Mark, you got me there.  Are all thoe rivalries called the Governor's
|> >Cup?  None were the one I had in mind - should have known there were others.
|> >
|> >Another hint.  To my knowledge (which has just been shown to be lacking
|> >already), this state is the only one with its own alt.* newsgroup ....

|> How about:
|> Brown-Rhode Island, Dartmouth-Princeton, Eastern Washington-Idaho,
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

        Bingo.


|> Central Conn-Southern Conn State

So how many other "Governor's Cups" are there?  Mark mentioned Kansas,
Florida, and Colorado.  (Hmm - is the CU-CSU game record imbalanced?)


-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu
"When God, from whom I have my reason, demands of me to sacrifice it, he 
 becomes a mere juggler that snatches from me what he pretends to give."
                                                            -  Diderot, 1777
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rcsaito@cs.washington.edu (Richard Saito)
Subject: Re: Schedule determines #1
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 00:46:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.232520.18947@javelin.sim.es.com> dpettit@javelin.sim.es.com (Daina Pettit) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.143529.27749@afit.af.mil> jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer) writes:
>>tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson) writes:
>>
>>
>>>What about the bowl game.  If washington and A&M go thru a soft schedule
>>>undefeated, but then play a team with a 'tough' schedule like Miami/FSU?/...
>>>and beat them, I think they have proven themselves.  Who did BYU play the
>>>year they won the MNC in the bowl game?  Did they have a chance to prove
>>>themselves there?
>>
>>That one is a pretty sore subject with UW fans.  BYU beat a pretty weak
>>Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl that year (84?).  BYU won the MNC
>>simply because they were undefeated--no attention was given to their
>                                      ^-this should read 'much' instead of 'no'. 
>>relatively weak schedule.  Washington thumped Oklahoma (who was no. 1 or
>>2 at the time) in the Orange bowl and finished no. 2.
>>
>>
>>Chip Switzer                            "A witty saying proves nothing." 
>>jswitzer@afit.af.mil                              -- Voltaire 
>>                        
>I get a kick out of all the sour grapes on this topic.  Every complaint
>I've heard fails to mention that a couple of games into the 85 season, just
>a couple of games after winning the MNC, BYU thumped Washington 31-3.
>Washington was not locked into the Orange bowl and could have chosen to
>play BYU for the MNC, but passed on the Holiday Bowl because of lack of
>$prestige.  Any crying by them is just 'sour grapes'.
>
>-- 
>  Daina Pettit  (801) 582-5847  dpettit@javelin.sim.es.com   
>  Evans & Sutherland  600 Komas Drive, SLC, UT  84108

 

Actually, Oklahoma was ranked ahead of UW, so even if UW had beaten BYU in
the Holiday Bowl, if Oklahoma had beaten their Orange bowl opponent, then UW
would still have been #2.  Going into the polls, BYU was 1 and Oklahoma was 2.
Also, even though BYU was number one, most people felt that Oklahoma was more
of a challenge for the Huskies, mostly because of BYU's cream puff schedule.
Strangely, NBC had a poll of the AP/UPI voters, and they said that had Oklahoma
beaten Washington in the Orange Bowl, they would have voted the Sooners #1
over BYU, even though they had one loss, and a tie to Texas...

 



-- 
-Richard
From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Beano Cook a closet Orange-fan
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:15:00 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

}} In article <1992Aug21.014301.14574@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> saqx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
}} 
}} Of course not!  If the Orange is lucky enough to get Notre Damn in whichever
}} of the big bowls they go to, they will BEAT those semiliterate hominids.

My god!  What is this, literature class?  First Peter Reiher uses the
word 'obstreperous,' and now we have 'semiliterate hominids.'

Goober, you gonna sit there and take that?  The anti-aggie forces are
winning.  I expect a cogent and bellicose counterargument from you.

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
                      I advise that you take his advice.

               Help stamp out variable length protocol headers!
From: noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Trouble under the Golden Dome?
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:39:32 GMT

I just got a call at work from a fellow Notre Dame fan.
She heard on the radio (KMOX, St. Louis) that the NCAA is
initiating investigations into Notre Dame.  Now this is all
second hand information, and we'll find out soon enough if it
is true.  But the report said that Demetrius DeBose allegedly
received $5000 in gifts & money from a couple in Seattle,
Washington.

If true, this will certainly bring us Notre Dame fans down to
earth.  Obviously I hope it isn't.  Will Holtz play DuBose? Is
he innocent until proven guilty?  What's the word on campus?
If it is true, I certainly don't want to win a soiled MNC.

We'll see what happens.  As a fan, I hope its all a hoax and
I look stupid for posting this.

-Mike Noonan