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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:31:14 GMT

rhealey@kas.helios.mn.org (Rob Healey) writes:
: 	You might do well to check the facts before spouting off. The AA
: 	chip set won't work on a 16 bit CHIP BUS like the 2000's and 3000's
: 	have. HD's are due to PC and Mac demand, not Amiga demand. There
: 	are only 2 ethernet cards made for the Amiga, Zorro II by the way
: 	so they are 16 bit not 32, and they were made a few years ago.

Well...  WHY NOT?  Why couldn't you drop a 32-bit chip into a
16-bit memory system?  :)  Just to be theoretical, a new chipset which
needed new bandwidth for new modes might work just fine without the
extra bandwidth, it just wouldn't give you any new modes.  So
theoretically, it could work under a 16-bit memory system if
bus-sizing was added to the capabilities.

Not that I think it was, it was just an interesting side-thought.

Greg

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Subject: Re: Lawnmowers VS Go-Carts Re: 21 Rules for c.s.a.a postings
From: cree@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (Michael Cree)
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:41:47 +1200
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand
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Stephenson Daniel A (das9674@usl.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Aug19.074100.920@agora.uucp> tinman@agora.uucp (David Tinnyo) writes:
: >In article <1992Aug17.105340.8911@bsu-ucs.uucp> 01ksdavis@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
: >>
: >>		3:Okay, even if you must post one of those XYZ has this, so
: >>		  it must mean the imminent death of the Amiga, at least keep
: >>		  XYZ in the same class as an Amiga.  No comparisons to game 
: >>		  decks, PLEASE!  This is like comparing a lawn mower to a go-
: >>		  kart.  They both generally travel at the same speeds, but one
: >>		  is more versatile than the other.
: >

Both travel at the same speeds?????

Motor mowers generally crawl along, they have to, otherwise the grass
wouldn't be cut.

However, the karts I know of do _not_ crawl along, in fact, they are
quite snappy, hitting 100mph in a shorter time than all cars I know
of. The only things I can think of (off hand and with confidence) that
could do it faster are super-karts, formula pacific and formula 1.

Mind you, the only karts I would think of are racing karts, of course.

: >** David E. TinNyo **                      ** tinman@agora.rain.com **

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Subject: Re: MPC WORLD review Re: CDTV is dead.
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Date: 17 Aug 92 06:36:32 EST
 <kdarling.713858327@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> <1992Aug15.102919.3494@desire.wright.edu> <kdarling.713926301@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu>
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <kdarling.713926301@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu>, kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:
> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>>>>Many people said July/August MPC WORLD magazine compared CDTV and CDI
>>>>[...]
>>>    "This breed is so new that only two systems are currently available:
>>>   Commodore's CDTV and Philips' CD-I.  Of the two, Philips Imagination
>>>   Machine is clearly superior.  [...]"
>>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> Well we know where they intend to receive most of their advertising
>> dollars from:  Mega Buck Phillips Corp.
> 
> The only trouble is, it wouldn't explain away similar opinions in other
> magazines where Philips would never advertise.
> 
	I wasn't saying that CD-I is not superior in some catagories,
	I've played around with a CDTV at the local amiga dealer and it
	seemed OK.  Of course I have an A2000 so I might have a little
	bias toward it.  And I know I'll get flamed for this but I've
	never played with a CD-I.

	I like the idea that CDTV is more of a computer that CD-I but as
	a audiophile I would be afraid the CDTVs CD player may not be too
	good, after all, Philips has a good reputaion as a hi-fi manufacturer.
	(Any audiophiles who own CDTV care to comment?)

	Evaluation of the software has a big portion of subjectivity
	involved so I can take opinions by 'experts' in magazines with
	a large grain of salt.

	The point I was trying to make is the use of very strong adjectives
	by the author, either he pretty much thought CDTV sucked or he was
	padding the story infavour of his advertisers.

> It also couldn't explain why Consumer Reports used CD-I titles as good
> examples of the possibilities and CDTV titles as poor examples.
> 
	I'm sure Philips has the resources in human factors, ergonomics,
	etc. to provide very good software, where as Commodore, being a
	relatively small company may not.

> And it can't explain why an Amiga mag (.INFO) said CD-I was better.
> 
> kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:45:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.163832.11129@nestroy.wu-wien.ac.at> staferne@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Stefan Taferner) writes:
>Paula _can_ access 1.44MB drives, At least the one in the Amiga 3000 can !

   The Paula chip in the A3000 is exactly the same chip as the Paula chips in
the very earliest A1000s.  The Paula chip cannot access 1.44MB drives in 
general; IE: you cannot plug in any old IBM 1.44M drive and use it, as you
can plug in any IBM 720K drive and use it.  You have to use special HD drives
that spin the motor at half-speed, so that the old Paula chip can keep up
with the data stream.
  
>The point is, that rarely anybody knows about it. C= even sold some A3000
>with 1.44MB drives in them. But also with the older A3000 models (mine is
>from July 1991) it's no problem to use 1.44MB drives instead of 720KB drives.
>And Kick2.04 is able to handle them correct (so does CrossDOS).

   You are still implying that any 1.44M floppy drive can be plugged into an
A3000 and used.  This is totally untrue.  Reread what I said above. 

>Stefan                    staferne@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Stefan Taferner)    

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     "Beware the ides of September..."
From: rknop@cco.caltech.edu (Robert Andrew Knop)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Machines as of September
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:20:56 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>>(On the other hand, maybe they have Surface Mounted
>>it and did some serious cost reduction, for which Commodore will get flamed 
>>just the same)

>   People often accuse me of being unreasonable, but I have never flamed 
>Commodore for surface-mounting, and never will.

Is it my imagination, or are you being unreasonable :) and seeing your name in
a post in which it never appeared?

-Rob Knop
rknop@tybalt.caltech.edu
From: addison@pollux.usc.edu (Richard Addison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 13 Aug 1992 20:56:28 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In <mykes.0cbz@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>In article <l8j32qINNqqd@pollux.usc.edu> addison@pollux.usc.edu (Richard Addison) writes:
>> Yeah.  How about a standard script language that developers could rely on
>> being on all machines with OS/2?  The existing command line interface seems
>> to be mostly a rehash of MS-DOS's.

>OS/2 has Rexx built-in.  Satisfied?  There are a choice of shells to use,
>just as on the Amiga.

I knew I should have been more careful.  Yes, I knew OS/2 had REXX.  However,
REXX is for scripting.  When you go to the shell, you get the MS-DOS-like
commands.  (Unless there's a way to use REXX interactively.  Does the REXX on
OS/2 allow for interactive use?)

You've got the control structures and evaluation capabilities of REXX,
but you've got the MS-DOS-like commands.  Does the REXX on OS/2, for instance,
have a built in file copy command?  Or does it need to address an external
command (like the MS-DOS look-alike)?  A user can choose another shell, but
that isn't useful for developers who want to write scripts to execute on the
user's machine.

>AmigaShell is hardly the best shell available for the OS, you know.

Well, it is good as a minimal set.  Do you think the standard MS-DOS command
line interface has a good minimal set of commands?

>> Curiously, IBM recently put some IBM PS/2s in a lab here, but they did not
>> include the new versions of the operating systems.  Go figure.

>Where are the machines that CBM put in your lab? :)

Now that you ask... :)

We have an Amiga 2500 sitting in the lab connected, via ethernet, to a
Silicon Graphics Iris VGX-210 and, via a custom I/O board, to a Dicomed
Film recorder.  We recently finished some computer animation for an
IMAX film.  (BTW, each frame of an IMAX film is about 3 times the area
of the 70mm film shown in some movie theaters.)

Although the Amiga 2000 is mine, the 2630 board was on loan from Commodore.

BTW, the AmigaShell, in addition to the TCP/IP package, worked very well
in controlling the recording process.  :)

--Richard

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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 07:57:45 GMT

In article <92235.135302TEW105@psuvm.psu.edu> <TEW105@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Aug22.042013.16635@kas.helios.mn.org>, rhealey@kas.helios.mn.org
>(Rob Healey) says:
>>
>>        MultiMedia presentations on IBM "Ultimedia" systems, various Windows
>>        3.1 setups and Mac setups using integrated voice, video and CD-ROM. I
>>        have yet to see an Amiga 3000 with stock 2.04 do anything even
>>remotely
>>        close to what the other systems can do. It can do toaster stuff and
>>        some animations but that's it. Toaster+anims != MultiMedia.
>>
>        Have you ever seen an AmigaVision presentation?  I saw one at a
>        high school I was student teaching at and it was using other
>        media besides the computer.

Not long ago C=, IBM and Apple came to present their "multimedia solutions"
for education. Commodore's Amiga system was easily hooked up via NTSC to
a big NEC projector (IBM's Ultimedia and the Mac used expensive equipment),
to a Laser Disc player (far nicer than a CD-ROM, and also the same sort of 
thing that IBM was doing). They used an A3000T.
 
IBM's solution was interesting, although it made heavy use of the LD and 
was simply not a cost nor time effective solution to presenting material 
in classes, lectures, seminars, etc...What many don't realize is that the 
time factor is rather important.
 
Anyway, the point I wished to make was that C=, though not as polished, 
seemed more in tune with the real problems of multimedia than the IBM and
Mac approaches.

[ ]

Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
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From: stevew@mksol.dseg.ti.com (steve wootton)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:56:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.081234.2180@wam.umd.edu> gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) writes:
> 
>Yes, I do know what I'm talking about.  It's a matter of personal opinion in
>this case.  I have used all three systems and all I can say is that OS/2 just
>doesn't have the same "feel" to it.
> 
...
>
>In addition to the above you must also admit that OS/2 has *alot* of overhead
>because it has to support both DOS and Windows programs.  This, I have
>found, makes OS/2 a little jerky on anything less than a '386 machine.

Oh?  You've seen OS/2 run Windows programs on something less than a 386?
Which version of OS/2 was that?

-- 
Steve Wootton  --  stevew@mksol.dseg.ti.com
Hey, don't blame TI... they haven't told me what to say.
From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Death Becomes Amiga!!
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:27:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: glia.crystal.714173267
Organization: University of Washington

In <1992Aug18.143043.1@woods.ulowell.edu> edmondse@woods.ulowell.edu writes:

>Greeting fellow Amiga Advocates,

>I have been delaying posting my thoughts about the state of the
>Amiga in the U.S. because I have been trying to remain optimistic
>and not cave in to the mounting pressure from those people who do
>not own Amigas; but I feel now is the time to speak.


>The is no wp (That I am aware of.) that will allow students to put
> mathematical text or equations

Gee...I never needed to be able to do that when I was using my Apple ][+
while in school.  So, someone might need to hand write a symbol or two, 
big  deal.  As long as the equation is correct in the homework, does it
really matter how it got put on the paper???
 
How many people really NEED special symbols?  See PageStream if you need
oddities, and if they aren't there, use the tool box to draw your own. :>


>on my basic premise -- The AMIGA will die a slow agonizing death unless good
>standard spreadsheet and wordprocessing software packages become available
>for it SOON!!!! 

It hasn't yet...the condition may be terminal, but if we monitor the
situation we may lick this virus yet!  ;>

 
Seriously, does EVERY computer on the market have to be a clone of all
the others?  The Amiga has strong points in other realms than the simple
home and business market.  Leave that task to the Macs and IBMs of the 
world.  Amigas are special and so are the people who use them.  They are
NOT a machine for the typical household twit!  Amiga folks know more about
their computers than 90% of those who use the other machines.  Why?  Becausee
everything is out on a platter for them, they don't have to think.

Amigoids have to think...and are quite capable of doing so.  This is not a
machine for the masses and shouldn't be.  Sure, that's where the market is,
but does everything have to revolve around making a buck?

>I hope C= somehow understands the basic fact that noone will choose a computer
>unless there is software available for it. Look at NeXT how come there are
>versions of most major productivity software supporting this machine. Does
>it sell better than the Amiga? I don't believe it does (Correct me here if I
>am out in left field). The arguement that there must be X number of machines in
>service before major software developers will port there products over just
>doesn't wash here. C= must get off its *&*%$ and actively support developement
>of software from the business world, or ---- GAME OVER ----.

You just made an interesting point. If the NeXT has versions of most major
productivity software and isn't selling as well as the IBMs and MACS, then
what makes you so sure that Amiga's will sell better under the same   
conditions??  Obviously something else is at play here, not major versions
of productivity software...

Crystal
  ;>
From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: One problem with the Amiga (solution enclosed :-)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 04:18:11 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

``One'' problem with the Amiga?

Sigh, yes.  But there's a solution:

	place a plastic or rubber 4'x4' foam-backed pad on the floor in
	front of your Amiga whenever you bring your non-Amiga-owning
	friends over to see your Amiga.

"OK, Thad, whatinell you babbling about?"

For the explanation, see the enclosed which I recently posted to Portal's
Amiga ZONE in response to someone's en passant comment about the Amiga's
graphic display.  A colleague sitting nearby as I was posting the enclosed
item laughed so hard, I thought I'd share this with a larger community:

-------------------- begin enclosure

DonD writes:

	I mean let's face it, the Amiga that *WE* know does not look 
	better than VGA.

Oh?

Then grab Fish Disk #196 and view the HamPics using the supplied viewer.

Every, repeat, EVERY, time I've done that, I'm been able to _completely_
shut-down every DOS weenie, Mac freak, etc.

They were simply left speechless after pooping/pissing their pants.

And that was using a 7-year-old A1000 with an A1080 monitor!

Odor got to be bad after a while, though, and the building cleaning crew
complained about having to clean the carpet in my office all the time, so
I moved one Amiga out to the lobby [tile floor being easier to clean!].

Now, though, I'm still getting complaints from the cleaning crew about all
the dents in the tiles from when the DOS weenies' and Mac freaks' jaws drop
and hit the floor after seeing Fish Disk #196 on the lobby Amiga.

Sheesh, just can't please some people!  :-)

-------------------- end enclosure
From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sofware Piracy & Software Prices
Date: 16 Aug 92 17:03:51 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes:

>I feel that I have a "right" to evaluate the software before buying it.

  Actually, more and more dealers are becoming much more lax in their return
policy for application software these days, games still remain an exchange-only
situation, and it should remain so.  Game evalaution can be accomplished in the
store, so there's little reason to return it unless the copy is bad.  You can't
be so sure of an application though.

  Best thing is to make sure that the dealer will allow a return prior to
purchase, if not, tell them why you're going elsewhere to get it.

>So yes, techincally I'm a pirate.  :-P :-)  There's some Amiga cracking group
>out there that has a motto, "A program worth using is a program worth buying."
>I whole heartedly support their efforts as well as their motto.

  Their motto is just another weak rationalization, they often "support" this
stance by denigrating a program for the lack of a feature, which nulls the
reason to purchase it while it still allows the use of it.

  -jack-
From: heuvdp@cbmnl.nl.so.commodore.com (Paul Heu vd Netherlands)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: JAM info on A570 & A2200/A2400 (public info!)
Date: 19 Aug 92 10:09:52 GMT
Organization: Commodore Netherlands

mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
> handy.  And is there some way to keep those dang 8520s from blowing all the
> time?
>

Sure:
	- Connect you Amiga and peripherals to a mains 
	  connector which is grounded (if the equipment
	  requires it).

	- Do not (dis)connect any peripherals while the
	  computer is switched on.

	- Switch your system on starting with peripherals
	  and work your way towards the computer.

	- If you are going to remove/replace any ICs or other
	  electronic parts make sure YOU are grounded.

If you follow these simple rules you can be sure your 8520s
will live a longer life.. :)

-- 
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   \X/         E-mail : heuvdp@cbmnl.nl.so.commodore.com                  

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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: OS/2 
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 09:26:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.132522.20628@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> benw@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (bennett.weber) writes:
>chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY) writes:
>>Consider going up to the average "JOE" what's an AMIGA?  Now what's OS/2?
>>The probability of people knowing OS/2 is probably more likely than AMIGA.
>>Perhaps its because the PC's markets and users are vast?  Just a thought.
>
>If you ask the average "JOE" what operating system his computer uses,
>he'd probably answer "Wordperfect".

That reminds me of an actual happening where I work.  One of the staff
wanted to run a program (which he had on floppy) on one of the machines in
the front office, so he could print on the laser printer there, his own
machine having only a dot matrix, and no network access.  Being unfamiliar
with the menu they use on those machines, he asked one of the typists how to
get out to DOS.  She promptly choose "WordPerfect 5.1" from the menu, fired
up WP, then hit Ctrl-F1 to shell out to DOS!!  He then came and complained to
me that his program didn't have enough ram to run - could I check the way
that machine's set up?  By the way, the menu in question was the DOS 4.0
shell, and there was a "Command Prompt" option right below "WP 5.1".  But
these girls are taught WordPerfect, and DOS is a feature of it...  I've
since instituted some training...


That's what we're dealing with out there, guys.  Frightening, isn't it?


-- 

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From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 10:54:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.055043.27280@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.050804.17019@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>>This doesn't seem a very well kept secret! :-)  C= may as well announce
>>the new machines now.
>
>Naah, three weeks isn't long to wait.  It'd spoil the big suprise if they
>announced the machines now.  I just can't wait to find out what colour the
>case is, and if the floppies really are mounted vertically...  

My guesses :

- They'll be white because the 3000 was white.
- The floppies will be mounted vertically to kept size down

>Oh, and the other little detail I don't know is how much they'll 
>cost and in what configurations.

I was going to try and guess the prices but it is too difficult as the
overpriced 040 3000T has made estimations impossible.  Hopefully the 
040 3000T really is just something stupid C= have done and not an
indication of prices of the new machines.

As an aside, do we know for CERTAIN that the 040 3000T still has the
ECS chipset?  Does the C= ad mention anything in that regard?

>David Meiklejohn                  | Internet : davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au

-- 
Colin Adams       Honours Student - James Cook University of North Queensland
  "And if I seem a little strange, well that's because I am." - The Smiths 
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