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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: Open Question to Miami fans
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:30:38 GMT
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In <BxK1tD.2yx@rice.edu> tomscud@ruf.rice.edu writes:

> In article <1992Nov11.132751.4957@news.nd.edu>, rszczerb@okeefe.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
> |> 
> |> I'd like to hear some opinions from loyal Canes fans out there. 
> |> 
> |> If Alabama stumbles and the rest of the top ten remains the same, do
> |> you think the Mighty Canes will play an undefeated Texas A&M team
> |> in the Cotton Bowl or, "chicken out" and play a once beaten Cornhusker
> |> team in their home stadium?
> |> 
> |> 		- inquiring minds want to know
> |> 
> |> 			rob
> |> 
> |> 
> |> 
> Well, it's A'n'M's decision (the cotton bowl's really), assuming that A'n'M is
> ranked ahead of Ablama and Nebraska (or Flahryda and Nebraska).  If the Cotton
> Bowl wants Miami, they get Miami.  If they wanna wimp out and pick Notre Dame
> or somebody, thats their choice.

  No, it ain't A&M's decision.  Miami must ACCEPT the Cotton Bowl's invite, 
assuming Alabama stumbles, to play.  A&M has NO (official) choice in the matter
so far as I am aware.  I'm sure the Cottom would love to have Miami if they
remain undefeated.  I'm sure most people consider the ball in Miami's court,
specifically the athletic director.  I assume he gets to make the decision,
since I would think the *players* would prefer to take on the highest ranked
team available and play'em anywhere they had to, simply to put an end to
controversy.  Which is not to say they might prefer to play in the Orange
Bowl, all else being equal, but A&M is contractually obligated to the Cotton,
so if Miami wants to play us, they're gonna have to come over here.  Assuming
A&M and Miami win out and 'Bama does not, of course.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: UW, Arizona, & Miami
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 16:36:46 GMT
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In article <TOMA.92Nov12134656@db.TC.Cornell.EDU> toma@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rory Toma) writes:
>Right, also. Arizona does not continually whine about everything in the
>world. Miami plays good football, but are a classless program... I
>remember when they came to the Fiesta Bowl - what a bunch of spoiled
>children!

Couple of questions...  When was the last time they played in the Fiesta
Bowl, who was their coach, and how many of the players that played in that
game are still playing???   Not very recent, eh???  Why not grow up and live
in the present instead of constantly living in the past.  What has Miami done
this year to promote being called a "classless" program.  
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From: JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: National Champs
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:14:55 GMT
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Distribution: rec
Organization: Penn State University

In article <farenebt.721414781@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>,
farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri "Droopy" Farenell) says:
>
>pruett@b15.ingr.com (Debbie Pruett) writes:
>
>>Like the guy on ESPN says!!!
>>Bama  COULD  GO  ALL  THE  WAY!!!!!!!!
>>BAMA is playing great!!! Hope they dont choke!!!
>>3 games until our National Championship!!!
>>R-O-L-L T-I-D-E!!!
>
>>(some UM fan will have some BS to say i'm sure)
>
>Here's to Miami-Alabama in the Sugar Bowl.
>
>But dont forget that Miami has to go to Syracuse and Bama will probably
>play Georgia (?) for the SEC title.

Well, Bama will probably be playing Florida for the SEC title, assuming
that nothing too crazy occurs during the next few weeks.  Of course, too
crazy things happened a few weeks ago, which is why Florida is in the
drivers seat in the SEC East.  Which goes to show you:  Don't count you
chickens before they've been converted from their gestational solitude
into externalized ambulatory creatures.

or something like that.


Jim Thomas
Penn State
From: Ray_Hines@dream.uucp (Ray Hines)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:41:34 GMT
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In a message dated Thu  5 Nov 92  7:30, Ipeeepay@paradox.engin.umich.edu (c
wrote:

 I> Oh, PLEASE update me on the Gators / UGA score.  The last I heard:

 I>    Gators 23
 I>    UGA     7     2nd Q.

Final score: Gators 26, Georgia 24.  *Phew*.  We were the underdogs tho and
prevailed.

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From: nichols@spss.com (David Nichols)
Subject: Re: Polls, Computer Rankings....
Organization: SPSS Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:32:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.162633.7850@cbnewse.cb.att.com> rar84@cbnewse.cb.att.com (rick.a.rockershousen) writes:
>   Just a few reminders about polls and the like:
>
>   Poll "facts":
>
>   1) Polls are subjective, they exist because people
>      probably felt that "standings" based on W's and L's
>      (or some other objective criteria) weren't sufficient
>      to determine if team X was better than team Y.
>
>      For example if we didn't have polls, then today we
>      would have Miami, Texas A&M and Alabama TIED for first
>      Michigan in second, a host of teams tied for third etc.
>      Of course at the beginning of the season - everyone is
>      tied for first (or last depending on your personality).
>
>   2) There are no "rules" for poll voters (except for
>      the implied "what have you done for me lately" rule),
>      otherwise they wouldn't be subjective.
>
>   3) Computer rankings are objective - each one uses
>      a different set of team measurements and assigns
>      them different weights.   Most look at much more
>      than W's and L's (and T's), like schedule strength,
>      margin of victory and the like.  You can argue with
>      the set of measurements and the weights given them,
>      but you can't argue their objectivity.

They're objective only in the sense that the formulas used always produce
the same results given the same input. They're just as subjective as
anything else because people choose what to include as measures and how
to weight these measures. Garbage in, garbage out.

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From: mhorbove@digi.lonestar.org (Mike)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: whine? no thanks, just T!!
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:44:29 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications, Plano Tx.


>From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
>  Too true, too true.  But really, has all Austin gotten this depressed?  It's
>come down to little jabs at Aggie problems that have (hopefully) gone away...
>What happened to all those "SPANK the Aggies" posts?  I almost miss them.  
>
>  Almost. :-)
>
>  Seriously, I haven't seen any whining out of the Longhorn fans on the net, 
>and for that you guys should be commended.  Who'd have thought the Froggies
>would suddenly go killer?  I hope the Ags don't take anybody lightly the next
>3 weeks...
>

whining?  we don't whine.  1 out of 25 is pretty damn good.  the fact of
the matter was was that TCU wanted it more than we did.  they played a highly
emotional game.  Texas was just running through the motions.  Hence, a
loss but still in the race for the Cotton Bowl.

>
>From: zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace)
>lose to Texas?!?  NOT!!!  :-)  I can't wait to hear the recruiting stuff
>this year...
>recruit: "But RC, what if I have always dreamed of playing for the Horns?"
>RC: "Well son..  They did lose to TCU...."
>

recruit: Yeah, but they do have 3 National Championships and how many does
         a&m have RC?
RC: daaaaaaaaaaaaahhh

>of course, now that I have said that, TCU will probably pull the miracle 
>of all miracles and not only beat Texas, but beat A&M, IN THE SAME YEAR!

i don't think so.  a&m doesn't seem to lose their intensity when playing.
i haven't seen them play at a lower level this year.  they don't have a
Peter Gardere.  he is hot and cold.  when he is on, he's the greatest
thing since sliced bread but when he is cold, he can drag a whole team
into the gutter.  i'll be happy to see him leave.  although, i think he
will have a stellar game against a&m and we will prevail.  the only reason
i say we will win is because it is in austin.  of course, i shouldn't
even be talking about this because we still can earn one more loss (Baylor).
they played a&m tough but just too many mistakes.

mike

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From: ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Illinois all the way, Bay-bee!! (was, Bowl Game for MSU?)
Date: 13 Nov 92 07:07:28 GMT
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Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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dames@cs.uiuc.edu (Raymond Dames) writes:
>>how come people always overlook Illinois?  Sure, they may have lost to some
>>perennial powerhouses like Northwestern, Minnesota, and Houston, but c'mon,
>>Minnesota and Houston were road losses.  At 5-4, 3-3 in the BIG 10, they are
>>ready to hop into the driver's seat for 2nd place, a very prestigious spot in
>>this year's BIG 10.  
Illinois is not a good team this year.  They have not done well in a conference
that is in a down year.  After Michigan, there is a big dropoff in quality
teams.

>>I mean, all it would take is a _minor_ upset this Saturday over Michigan and
If Illinois beats Michigan, it would be the biggest upset this year.

>although the second place team in the big 10 goes to the holiday bowl.  hell,
>at least we'd have a shot at winning that one.
The third-place Big-10 team goes to the Holiday Bowl, which will definitely not
be an easy game for the Big-10 team.  Remember last year's BYU-Iowa game?

>>(sorry about this posting, folks.  I'm a displaced alum and feeling lonely
>>for the sight of my beloved Illini in an article which isn't just moaning
>>about how they lost to Northwestern at home or how they didn't deserve to win
>>the Ohio State game.  I needed to get this out of my system.  Besides, I
>>sense that the woof gods are currently in a pro-woof phase)
I've been at Illinois now for three years.  The Illini have had good teams in
the past.  This year they don't.  They will probably end up the year at 6-5
(after playing at Michigan).
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Let the praying begin...
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:08:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.160738.14595@hou.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn  
Mace) writes:

> What if:
> A&M and Alabama wind up undefeated??  They can't meet in a Bowl game.
> 
> You always have the Rose Bowl problems...

Rarely has the Rose Bowl been a problem...

> and the worst case for me personally??  Miami, Alabama, and A&M all 
> undefeated...  A&M has virtually no chance to win the title.  A&M would
> have to pound Notre Dame or Florida State by 20 and pray for the Miami
> Alabama game to be sloppy and close to have a chance.  I ask you, which
> would you prefer?

This is disappointing, but unavoidable unless we have no "conference
champion tie-ins" to bowl games.  And the conferences want them.  And
the bowl committees want them.  A playoff before the bowl games would
diminish bowl importance, and a playoff after would turn NCAA to NFL -
destroying the at least one semester those players who want a degree
(those that don't get it on a silver platter) have each year to make
good progress.

> Congrats to TCU, Rice, SMU and Baylor for what wound up being a wacky 
> weekend in the SWC.

Yesssssss!
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From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Re: SEC East shoots itself in the foot
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:47:48 GMT

In article <398@rd1.interlan.com>
tonyf@rm1.interlan.com (Tony Fernandez) writes:
> I don't think that Alabama and the rest of the SEC schools just refuse
> to play Miami.  They refuse to play anyone good outside the Southeast.

Alabama just finished a 4 year series with Penn. State.  I hope they
will schedule them again in the future.  In the past, they've also had
multi-year, regular season games with Nebraska, Notre Dame, and USC,
to name a few.  There is plenty of competition inside the SEC.  Alabama,
Auburn, Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee frequently finish the year in
the top 25.  Mississippi, LSU and Arkansas have had some great seasons.
Miss. State is always good for an upset, as is Vandy and apparently
South Carolina.  That leaves Kentucky as the only regular whipping boy,
but they usually get even when basketball season arrives.

> What more evidence do you need than just the fact that with very few
> exceptions (LSU-Texas A&M, Florida-FSU), SEC schools play very weak out
> of conference schedules.

Bama has played Texas A&M during the regular season, and until recently,
Auburn played a FSU every year.  Auburn has frequently scheduled Texas.
Georgia usually plays Clemson and some other ACC teams.  Tennessee has
had regular season games with Notre Dame.

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From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Bowl Game for Michigan State?
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:02:55 GMT

I think that either the Independence or Freedom Bowl is also
looking at MSU.

allen
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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: MS State, Florida, Bama
Organization: American Math. Society
	<dkm2.721417677@Isis.MsState.Edu>
	<BILLMS.92Nov10143151@gip.eecs.umich.edu>
	<dkm2.721432350@Ra.MsState.Edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:37:32 GMT


In article <dkm2.721432350@Ra.MsState.Edu> dkm2@Ra.MsState.Edu (David K. Magee) writes:

>>No justice, Southern Miss only plays Division I schools and get nada, while the
>>>big boys (Miami,Bama,Mich) get to play some divison II schools and coast in the
>>>standings.

 >>I completely agree.  We came from behind and beat Memphis State AT Memphis

 >>If you guys agree, then perhaps one of you could provide some information to
 >>support the (maimi,bama,mich) contention.  I didn't think so.  


 >Well, I can clear that up.  Miami WILL win the national championship.  Every
 >school has "easy" teams on their schedule, but when it comes to guts, the
 >canes have stood through it all.

I can throw a little more light on the subject.  Michigan definitely
does NOT play division II schools.  And yes, Miami will win the
national championship.......if it gets even luckier than it already
has.




-Alan Harder
 
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From: tomscud@ruf.rice.edu (Thomas Reid Scudder)
Subject: Trevor Cobb 6, Lloyd Hill 0
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 23:27:52 GMT

After the extensive woofing on the part of these two individuals before
the Rice-Texas Tech, neither of them scored as much as predicted.  However,
Rice annihilated Tech by the score of 34 - 3, making the choice of Tech as our
homecoming opponent look very wise indeed.  The Rice defense played its best
game since the 26-24 loss to UH in '90 (the year Klingler narrowly lost
the Heisman), allowing a fair number of yards, but keeping Tech out of the
endzone.  21 of the Owls' points came as a direct result of defensive plays,
14 of them on interception returns by Shawn (Sean?) Washington, and 7 of
them following a blocked punt which set up a 1 yard Trevor Cobb touchdown
run.  The rest of the Rice points came on 2 first-half field goals and a
touchdown pass in the second half when the Owls were basically running out
the clock.  Trevor Cobb had 110 yards rushing in the first half.  I dont know
what his total rushing yardage was.

(That was remarkably restrained, wasn't it?)

WOOF!  WOOF!  WOOF!  GO RICE!  RUN UP THE SCORE!  SHOW NO MERCY!  TRIPLE DIGITS!
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Subject: Re: Stanford 23, U$C 9 (includes marching band stuff)
From: sfm@manduca.neurobio.arizona.edu (Stephen Matheson)
Date: 9 Nov 92 07:16:56 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

From article <aelman.721269258@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>,
by aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman):

[boring stuff about a football game deleted]

> Oh well.  Fun was had by all, particularly with the announcements of
> the "USC Band Stats" during halftime.  I never saw a final tally, but
> at halftime they had done Conquest 25 times, Fight On 19 times, some
> other random song 6 times, and (the announcement that got our crowd cheering)
> had played immediately after a USC score 0 times. :-)
> 
> Seriously -- why is it that the USC Band plays the same music over and
> over again?  It's not just Conquest and Fight On (although those are
> pretty bad) -- I heard them playing the same song they played for
> either pregame or halftime during the third or fourth quarter.

Has anyone ever met anyone in the USC band?  [pause]  I thought not!
My theory: the "band members" aren't people at all, but rather the
band is composed of motorized mannequins wielding prerecorded 
instrumentation triggered by any of a number of carefully programmed
stimuli: changes in barometric pressure, wind speed, crowd noise,
deficit in score, etc. with a minimum delay between outbursts such
that the strains must come forth every, say, 3 minutes.  My theory
is based on my understanding of musicians and their aversion to
uncreative monotony.  Actually, any person with reasonable intelligence
and a little self-respect has this same aversion.

Why the robots?  Why short delay on the trigger?  Well, perhaps
the AD and Larry Smith felt that the constant droning would
make the team feel the same on the road as they do at home
(namely, irritated and thinking to themselves, "can't those clods
shut up for more than 3 minutes!?"), thereby negating the opponent's
home-field advantage.

> Most college bands I know of try to vary our song selection a bit,
> except for the fight song(s), which are generally only played in
> their entirety after scores.  You will rarely, for instance, hear
> the Stanford Band play the same song twice from the pregame rallies
> to the postgame tailgaters, again except for our fight songs.

Or maybe the USC band is made up of classless dopes who love to
hear themselves play, but don't know how to play more than 3 tunes.

> 
> Oh well...

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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: ND looking good...
Date: 7 Nov 1992 20:18:44 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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Notre Dame is killing BC 37-0 at the half. Glad I picked them high :)
Some other scores...
Mich 30, N-western 7  half
Miss St. 10, Ark 3   4th
TCU 10, Texas 7   half
Ohio State 10, Minn 0   half
W. Vir 24, E. Car. 7   3rd
Syr 28, Vir Tech 9   F
FSU 62, M-land 14   3rd
W. Forest 14, Duke 7   half
Ill 10, Purdue 0   2nd
NC State 31, Vir 7   4th
Flor. 17, S Miss 13   half
Buffs 7, OK State 0   2nd
Clemson 19, NC 7   3rd
Iowa 7, Ind 0   3rd
BYU 14, N Mex 0   2nd
Navy 17, Tulane 10   half  Wow!
Baylor 10, G. Tech 9  2nd
OK 14, Mizzou 10  2nd
Vandy 10, Kentucky 7   3rd
Air Force 0, Army 0   3rd (both obviously strong on defense :)
L. Tech 13, S. Car 7   3rd

--salty

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From: stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen)
Subject: Re: OSU attendance (WAS: Re: Glen Mason to Ohio State?)
Organization: The Lion's Den, San Jose
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:41:40 GMT

Scott D. Davis writes:
> I have wondered the same thing [why someone would want to coach Ohio
> State]... I guess it is the prestige of the school(we're talking football).

I'd guess:  Money, fame, a deep statewide high school talent pool
with no significant in-state competition for it, excellent facilities,
one of the biggest athletic department budgets in Division I, lots
of local media and fan "support" (er, interest).  I'd say that there
are likely only a handful of comparable positions in Division I.

That isn't to say that there aren't any negatives.  Like the "fans."

> Better fan attendance (although I don't know about OhioSt's attendance
> lately).

It has been decades since Ohio State has failed to make the top five
in average-attendance-per-home-game.  They've been third behind Michigan
and Tennessee regularly of late (though they may have fallen to fourth
last year due to PSU's stadium expansion).
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