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From: kanad@colorado.eecs.umich.edu (Kanad Chakraborty)
Subject: Stop the spread of hatred !
Organization: University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 23:08:42 GMT

Friends, let us refrain from ad hominum attacks !
Also, I believe that personal attacks that are based 
upon an inarticulate person's poor knowledge of English
should be discouraged. Let us not use democracy as a 
tool to spread hatred -- either in this newsgroup or
in any others.  Reading about death threats
and things like that makes me shudder even though they are
not directed at me, a passive reader of s.c.b.  Please 
understand that I have no intention of playing the role of
net.police, this is just an earnest appeal to everybody
regardless of their religious/political affiliations to 
realize that it is more difficult to survive in the present 
world than to die, or get killed.  As a friend of mine here
once commented in a moment of reflection : "I am not afraid to
die -- it's living (in this world) that scares the hell out
of me."  Let us accept each other as human beings (even though
we may disagree on various issues) and learn to rise above our
ingrained tribal instincts (yes, I believe we all have them --
me, you, and everybody else).

A concerned reader,

Kanad
From: t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu (Bijoy Sagar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Merry Xmas
Date: 24 Dec 1992 22:23:36 -0600
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From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: sources! (Re: Victory Day in Bangladesh (what about India?)
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:53:31 GMT
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In article <1h410vINN1k9@hsc.usc.edu> banerjee@hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:

   While we are on the subject, it might be worthwhile to add some figures
   so that the nature of the help rendered can be put in perspective:

   1. 10,000 Indian soldiers were killed and more than twice that many injured.
----
Source for this?


   3.  Money spent on housing refugees, most of whom went onto become
   de-facto Indian citizens. 
----
Source?


   2.  Tribal insurgencies in Assam, Tripura and Nagaland and complaints of
   training camps within BD to train terrorists. Zia-ur-Rahaman acknowledges
   presence of training camps but claims they are used to train Chakmas to
   resist the onslaught from Bagha Siddique's Santi Bahini. However terrorists 
			     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
----
Sources for this name? 

--
Naeem Mohaiemen
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.bangladesh:7040 soc.culture.indian:41825
From: shyk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (shyam krishnamurthy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Victory Day in Bangladesh (what about India?)
Date: 24 Dec 92 02:21:26 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.bangladesh
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1h410vINN1k9@hsc.usc.edu> banerjee@hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
>In article <BzL183.E3G@news.udel.edu> khaleq@brahms.udel.edu (Mohame Khalequzzaman) writes:
>
>>people and the then Government.  We do salute India for their moral, logistic,>and military support during our Liberation War.  
>
>While we are on the subject, it might be worthwhile to add some figures
>so that the nature of the help rendered can be put in perspective:
>
>1. 10,000 Indian soldiers were killed and more than twice that many injured.
Thanks Samit for backing up my comments with facts. I have heard reports in the
Indian press that anti-Indian sentiments expressed openly during elections
is a sure way to win elections. Consider the fact that Hasina Wajed did not
get elected, because 1) she is Mujib's daughter and spent many years of her
as an exile in New Delhi, so she evidently is not likely to be that much 
anti-Indian. 

The reason I brought up the chakma issue is that we have an additional
refugee problem to face. In 1971 we had so many refugees that we had to go in 
and liberate Bangladesh, but now these "liberated" people are doing the same things
to the chakmas that they themselves had to face. One would have though that their
suffering would have made them more tolerant and compassionate, alas it has
not. 
/Shyam



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From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: Blesed are the alm-givers
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 05:40:40 GMT
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[Following letter appeared in Bengali in Bangladesh weekly "Bichithra", 
 2 Oct, 92]

"What kind of civilization is this?"

On 31st August, I went to wish a friend goodbye at Zia International Airport.
The flight was delayed, so I waited in my car. As I sat, I saw that a number
of young foreign [European] tourists were sitting in a large van. They seemed
to be from different countries. Suddenly a middle aged beggar came and 
stretched his palm in front of them. One of the tourists, a good looking young
man, took pity on him and threw a biscuit at him. As the beggar rushed to pick
up the much desired biscuit, a group of urchins, called 'Tokai's [people who
pick from the streets], jumped for the same biscuit. Seeing so many people
fight over such a trivial thing, the foreigners sitting in the car burst out 
laughing. After a while, a few of them began throwing biscuits at the 'Tokai's.The 'Tokai's broke off into teams to engage in competitions of strength and
speed in the blistering sun in order to gather the biscuits. Seeing this scene,
the foreigners were very amused! This enjoyable game went on for quite a while.
By then a large audience had gathered to see this game. Seeing their happiness,
I became quite embarrassed. My question-- what kind of civilization is this?

						Prodip Shaha
						Savar, Dhaka
						Bangladesh

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Naeem Mohaiemen

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"What can one say about a country where a museum of science in a great city
 can feature an exhibit in which people fire machine guns from a helicopter
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.bangladesh:7098 soc.culture.indian:41994
From: prem@prem.lbl.gov (xyz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Victory Day / why India intervened in '71
Date: 25 Dec 1992 23:17:29 GMT
Organization: Human Genome Center at LBL
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Dec23.093228.9126@lut.ac.uk>, G.S.Samra@lut.ac.uk writes:
|>
|> 	I wonder why the difference in treatment between soldiers of a 
          ^^^^^^
|> foreign country and one's own civilians?.

	You "wonder" ?? You WONDER ??

	Get real man. We know you are already convinced by whatever sources
	you've been listening to. Spare us the histrionics. The articles
	you posted here  in the past leave no room for us to "wonder" where
	your bias lies.

	Now, these glorious martyrs are "our own civilians" eh??
	When it is convenient to you, these are citizens of Khalistan,
	and at other times these are "our civilians" ??

	So are you now saying that sikhs are Indians??

|> G.S.Samra

	Prem!

	ps.
	    I know I am wasting my time.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bangladesh:6969 soc.culture.indian:41689
From: shivanan@nyquist.usc.edu (Mr. Shivanan Bhajekar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Victory Day / why India intervened in '71
Date: 22 Dec 1992 10:49:08 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1992Dec22.151737.18812@bnr.ca> uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Pooper 2) writes:

	stuff deleted ...[]

>airbases. Of course the bext course Indira was to leash a full out
				     ^^^^^^

	Kya behen ya beti lagti hai aapki?
	Sorry, but she was a great Indian leader and as per Indian 
	traditions you should refer to her as Indiraji or Mrs. Gandhi.

	Shivanand(ji) Bhajekar 
	
>offensive when this opportunity was provided. Most of the casuality

	stuff deleted [....]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: kazi@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi)
Subject: AI Report on Death Penalty in Bangladesh
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 04:36:22 GMT

/* From misc.activism-progressive */

Subject: AI: Death Penalty News- Dec92

DEATH PENALTY NEWS DECEMBER 1992              AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL

A SUMMARY OF EVENTS ON THE DEATH PENALTY AND MOVES TOWARDS WORLDWIDE
ABOLITION

[Other nation reports deleted]

BANGLADESH: EXTENSION OF DEATH PENALTY

Three prisoners are reported to have been executed in Bangladesh during
1992. AI is alarmed that these executions may signal a resumption of the
active use of the death penalty in Bangladesh, as in 1991 no executions
were reported to have taken place, and only one execution was reported in
1990. According to official sources there are at present 114 prisoners on
death row in Bangladesh; 66 of these prisoners were sentenced to death
between the beginning of 1991 and September 1992.

On 15 September 1992 President Biswas promulgated the Curbing of Terrorist
Activities Ordinance 1992, which extends the death penalty to new offences.
It lists nine offences under the heading of terrorism or anarchy and
provides punishments from five years' imprisonment to the death penalty for
any one of them, without relating specific offences to specific
punishments. The offences listed include extorting money, obstructing and
diverting traffic, damaging vehicles and property, snatching jewellery by
force, and harassing and abducting women and children.

The ordinance also provides for the setting up of special tribunals whose
procedures will in significant ways fall short of international standards
for fair trial. For example, trials can take place in absentia; and the
rigid time frame prescribed for trials will make it difficult for
defendants to present a full defence. Parliament passed a bill to replace
the ordinance, which is based on its provisions, by a majority on 1
November and it is now law for a two-year period.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
From: fall266@cse.unl.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Death threat on News Groups
Date: 25 Dec 1992 18:12:11 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: na
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khaleq@brahms.udel.edu (Mohame Khalequzzaman) writes:

>>Yes you are right but he proved that he had no need of permission form any body he had enogh power to take any action.  It would be lot easer for him to ask army to accept him as the new prime minister of the country then to demand for 
>>seprate country.
>>
>>specially if you look at the pressure from different levels of even army at Yahya to find a political solution of a political problem you will find that MUjib was thinking some thing more than the benitfits of his own people.  It is more 
>>proudful for some body to be the founder of a country then mearly a primeminester.  He din not make any mistake in estimating the power of army in bangladesh
>>  but he simply underestimated bangali people.
>> 	this is proved by the revival of democracy in BD when Begum Khalida Zia won the election, and people made a better choice.  This showed the people who 
>>were emotional at one time took a rational step at another time.
>>

>I personally don't think this above article is worth any follow up discussion.
>I hope Bangladeshi netters will agree with me.  Seems to me that we have to
>learn to cut through rubbish.

>Khaleq
Now you are threatening your self by saying " we have to learn to cut through rubbish"
"You personally don think"   this  is the only true confession you have said.
Let me know who accused of thinking.

If you want to know what bangladeshi want see in the belet boxes.  Go and learn from the history.
What heppen to mujib, bhoto and Indra and thier families.  Yes every man in the world who use his mind is a threat to the people who will bring mischief and unjustic to this world because these people are the threat to humanity.
Yes I am agree it does not need any follow up because that is what every body agrees.
Living in the USA and talk about those people who are left behind is easy but to live like them is difficult. 
Take care of your self you really need to rearrange the priorities.  Off balance mind have performed very little to produce balanced conclussions.  Hate of any thing even of Jamati or fudamentalism had to produce any good fruit then you did not have to work.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: kazi@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi)
Subject: Re: Failure of Socialism/Reply to Zunaid Kazi 
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:13:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.215620.3953@zip.eecs.umich.edu> bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya) writes:
>In article <Bzq6IL.1pn@news.udel.edu> kazi@brahms.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi) pontificates:
>
>>ocialism as a political and economic model is
>>severely flawed and impractical.
>
>>The failure of rigid centralized economies attest quite well to this
>>fact. 
>>
>
>You have got it wrong, Zunaid.   
>
>Socialism does NOT equate to a rigid centralized economy. 
>Unfortunately due to a combination of certain historical factors,
>this was the way events went in Russia , and therefore it became
>erroneouly synonymous with socialism. The centralised economy as
>it existed in the Soviet Union was not socialism at all, but a 
>clear and simple instance of state capitalism.
>
>A truly socialist economy will be very decentralised, with small
>self-governing worker's co-operatives , rather like the independent
>woker's soviets that Lenin and Trotsky helped organise all over Russia
>in the early years after the Bolshevik revolution. Economics of scale
>necessitated the changeover to a planned economy when Russia was besieged
>with civil war and threatened by Western capitalist powers. Lenin's
>death and Stalin's unfortunate ascendancy to power after purging 
>Trotsky, Bukharin and Zinoviev made the planned economy a powerful
>fixture, because Stalin realised that a planned economy is easier 
>for a one-man dictatorship to control than a decentralised economy. 

I stand corrected. Tell me, did Lenin and Trotsly envisage the
some sort of central co-ordination of the working's of the soviet's.
Furthermore, how would large industries be handled in this model?
Such as power generation, transportation, food distribution etc.
Did they contemplate any sort of competition amongst the various
soviet's who might be engaged in similar activities?  

>>Furthermore, the Marxist jargons of "class less" society, "dictatorship
>>of the proletariat" et al are simply Gobbelesian propaganda aimed at
>>inculcating support from the disdvantaged segments of a society. 
>>
>
>What is wrong with this propaganda, and why do you call it 
>Goebbelsian ? I take it to mean that you use "Goebbelsian" as
>a synonym for "deceptive". I don't think that any deception was
>involved here, because the Bolshevik party was well and truly a
>worker's party and came to power not by any  palace coup but
>on the crest of massive proletarian support. That the party and the
>state were later hijacked by Stalin to serve his nefarious ends 
>does not negate the principles by which the October revolution 
>was made. Stalinism != Communism. 

I agree. Stalinism != Communism. My invocation of the name of
Goebbels stemmed from the mis-use by socialistic parties as
they brand themselves these days to usurp power and then themselves
fall prey to the same class distinctions they were promising to
eliminate. Such as the Soviet Nomenclatura. 

- Zunaid

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: Thank u from BD (why India intervened in '71
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:35:03 GMT
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In article <1h4ntlINN3n7@hsc.usc.edu> banerjee@hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:

   And so while no one expects the Bangladeshi people to grovel, a simple thank
   you in the memory of the over ten thousand Indian soldiers who died fighting
   not for their own country, but to liberate someone else's, hardly seems too
   much to ask for.
----
If that is all you are asking for, post 71 Mujib government has already given
the same. Not only in public acknowledgement, but also in trade talks, support
at regional meetings, etc.


--
Naeem Mohaiemen
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.bangladesh:6981 soc.culture.indian:41711
From: husain@plains.NoDak.edu (Abu Husain)
Subject: RELIGION (????????)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:16:06 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network



> Subject: Difference
> Message-ID: <1992Dec20.194821.1645@slate.mines.colorado.edu>
> Date: 20 Dec 92 19:48:21 GMT
> Sender: imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM )
> Organization: Colorado School of Mines

>	Q.  What is the difference between man and animal ?

>	A.  Religion


====>     But Religion makes humen nasty animal.
	  Killing women and kids in Pakistan......
          Destroying temples in Pakintan and some where.....
	  Destroying mosque in India.......
          
          Isn't all these happened only for so called RELIGION ?
          Killing women and kids for nothing - I can't take easy.

          Remeber 1971 ? Didn't Pakistanies do all those in 
	  name of Islam (?) 

	  We should try to treat every body as a human and love 
	  them all.

 	  Religion is not only solution to every problem.
	  It makes everything complicated.

	  So Why Religion ????????


	  Abu Husain ( DHAKAR JEWEL )

Xref: sparky soc.culture.bangladesh:7062 soc.culture.indian:41907
From: sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed)
Subject: Re: Death threat on News Groups
	<BzKzrs.E0o@news.udel.edu> <1h3en4INN815@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:37:43 GMT
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In article <1h3en4INN815@crcnis1.unl.edu> fall266@cse.unl.edu () writes:

> You have different openian then I do and still have the my same position.
> that Mujeeb gave up the right to rull the whole pakistan and did
> what bhutoo wanted him to do.  He was rightfully ellected leader of
> pakistan.    

Mujib was not allowed to rule the whole Pakistan. His power was
usurped. 

Saif
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: khaleq@brahms.udel.edu (Mohame Khalequzzaman)
Subject: Re: Re : New newsgroup : alt.culture.bengali
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 19:56:51 GMT

>>I am proposing the creation of a new newsgroup called alt.culture.bengali.
>>This newsgroup is intented to be a place to discuss Bengali language,
>>literature and other aspects of Bengali culture.
>
>>
>>Draft charter of the newsgroup
>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>This new newsgroup is mainly intented to discuss:
>>(a) The structure and construction of Bengali language
>>(b) growth of Bengali language in post-independent India
>>(c) The literature of Bengali people
>>(d) The men of letters.
>>(e) Bengali language and transliteration.
>>(f) Dialects, deviants and schools within the language.
>>(g) Other art media that use Bengali language.
>>(h) Bengali cultural institutions
>>(i) Politics of power and the language.
>>(j) Any other topic of relative merit and interest.
>>
>	What about Bangladeshi language?
>
>>
>>I hope I will receive a favorable response.
>>
>>- Bijoy Sagar
>
>I think that this group should be welcomed. I vote YES for the creation of this newsgroup.
>
>- Joydeep Mitra         
[deleted]


I think the above list is a good one.  We definitely can add more aspects of
the Bengali language, literature, culture, and history of its evolution, etc.
After all, to my knowledge Bengali is the only language in this world that
was established as a state language at the cost of blood.  The political
aspect of our language is very inspiring and colorful.  The language movement
of 1952 (21st February) was the seed for the Leberation Movement of 1971.
We have so much to be proud of.

But I just don't understand why all these topics can't be discussed within
the framework of scb, especially when the historic 21st February is just
around the corner.  What I mean is, I know for sure that many aspect of our
language and culture will be discussed on scb during that time.  What is
the justification for creating another alternative news group?  I am not
cynical, just curious.

Bengali nation is the second largest (!) in the world, after Chinese.

Khaleq

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