From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: **** ANOTHER COVER-UP - Please read this... ****
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:08:33 GMT
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In <BvnC2H.5vv@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk writes:

> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
> 
> >In <BvHp1K.L02@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk writes:
> 
> >> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
> >> 
> >> >In <BvFpv8.I4F@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk writes:
> 
> >[How the justification for the war has changed from democracy and freedom to
> >[national self-interest]
> 
> >> Now 2 years later after the dust has settled along comes Jimmy Millar and
> >> announces to the net: 
> >> "*I* realized this the day the whole thing started."
> 
> >  Is it so shocking to you an American might see the more cynical motives of
> >his government but support a particular action anyway, because it's justi-
> >fied in its own right?  Come now, David this bit of childishness is beneath 
> >you.  Did you not see this very early on?  Your tone leads me to believe you
> > did.  Many protesters against the war also saw it very early on.  Why 
> >shouldn't I have also?
> 
> Shocking? No. Surprise maybe.
[US has had cynical motives in other actions, David was willing to give US 
[benefit of the doubt due to only 8% of the US oil coming from Kuwait, and 
[numerous denials of War for Oil]
> 
> It would appear, from your comments, that George Bush conned us all again
> and perhaps he should have added the rejoiner "Watch my lips" to every public
> statement he made to the world about this "Just War"

  Puh-lease.  Oil was involved, if not the threat to Saudi oil, then the con-
cern over what Saddam might spend the Kuwaiti oil revenues on.  Nevertheless,
the war WAS just in it's own right.  Kuwait was overrun by a brutal dictator
with known expansionist desires.

> >> and that everyone else was: 
> >> "a bloody fool".
> 
> >  Very well, "IMO", if you like.  Are you not calling them fools now, by 
> >muttering about the about-faces shown by some of the pro-war folks?  And if
> >you agree with me, why should you dislike my calling of these people fools?
> >They were.
> 
> You are being smug, that's why.
> 
> Sitting in front of TV with a grin on your face while your president
> lied through his teeth to the world about 'just causes' and 'punishing
> must have made you feel real happy.

  I sat in front of my TV worried as Hell my cousin and a good friend over
there might not come back.  Smug?  You do me no small disservice to say that.
I saw the need to act.  Bush's stated rationale was plenty valid on it's own
merits -- but anyone who did not see the subtexts did so because they chose
not to look.  I say those who did so were fools to ignore the obvious.  I
do not feel "smug" that they chose to be "taken in", as you would have it.

> George Bush:- President of the most powerful nation on earth - and compulsive
>               liar.
> 
> Wonderful! Who'd be a politician in the US?
> Who'd be a politician anywhere?

  The type is universal, David.  I cannot even begin to tell what you're 
talking about here.

> Now if you *really* do want cynacism - how about a military foothold in the
> Middle East where they have been denied up to the present?
> No, I won't take this one on but there could be an ominous ring to this
> particular conspiracy theory.

  Yes, if it had anything resembling reality in it.  *Chuckle*  If the Saudis
chose not to let the US to get at the equipment left behind, that would be
the end of it.  Only a vicious fight with the Saudi air force (which is pretty
good) would allow US ground troops to get to the gear -- assuming it hadn't
already been blown up.

  The US has had a military foothold in the Mideast for a long time.  Turkish
bases, Isreal, joint exercises with Egypt, Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean,
the Med Fleet, the Gulf Squadron, etc., etc.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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