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From: mkkuhner@phylo.genetics.washington.edu (Mary K. Kuhner)
Subject: Re: Upcoming in June
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:50:21 GMT

lhb6v@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU (Laura Hayes Burchard) writes:

>In article <b#gnyjl.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

>>Bujold, The Spirit Ring, Baen HC, Nov

>Anybody know the subject?  Doesn't sound like a Vorksigan title.

It's about a young woman, daughter of a maker of magical trinkets, in a
slighly skewed Renaissance Italy.  It has tons of historical research 
in it (the things the artifier makes are real, for example--I found a 
picture of one of them in National Geographic).  I found it somewhat 
disappointing.  The main character reminded me of Cordelia Vorkosigan,
which I found very jarring given her culture.  And Bujold's writing
style seems to me to fit SF better than historical fantasy.  Most of
all, the romance seemed extremely forced--no chemistry between the 
lovers at all.

Mary Kuhner mkkuhner@genetics.washington.edu
From: djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Piers Anthony Comments
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:26:04 GMT
Reply-To: djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

In article <1992Sep15.103409.1@pearl.tufts.edu> mweinste@pearl.tufts.edu writes:

>the point is that whether or not you like an
>author, you do not have to attack, mock, or criticize those who hold a
>differing opinion.  It is rude and pretentious to comment in this manner
>on someone's individual taste.

Agreed.

It is, however, perfectly reasonable to say "Piers Anthony writes shit," and
to go on in that vein for a thousand words or so.  That, too, is merely an
expression of personal taste.

The problem is that Anthony fans (like Trekkies) seem so personally bound to
their source of entertainment that any attack upon *H*I*M* is perceived and
reacted to as a personal attack and affront.

		The Pavlov dog and the Schroedinger cat
		Side by side in my forebrain sat
		With Shakespeare's monkeys crowding in behind. . .
		. . . it's all in your mind.
			-- Visual Purple

Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, Net.Roach
My opinions do NOT represent Pacific Bell,
Professional Development, or anyone else.
But I'm willing to share.
From: aaron@space.ualberta.ca (Aaron Humphrey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Piers Anthony
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:50:34 GMT
Reply-To: aaron@space.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
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Dan'l concedes that many people don't want a book that makes them think, but
merely a "good read".  He then claims that Anthony is not a "good read".  Well,
then, why do people keep buying and reading Anthony?  >Why< does he keep
selling books?  I can't imagine that however many millions of people look at
Anthony books on the rack and say, "His last one was shit, but I'm going to buy
this one anyway."  So somebody must consider them a "good read" despite the
flaws you mention(which I partially agree with).

As Mike McConnell suggested, perhaps the appropriate reaction is advice on
other authors to read(via email conversation).  Someone like the recent poster,
who wasn't sure if any of us had heard of this Anthony guy, is obviously a bit
naive about SF, and if the first reaction to his enthusing over Anthony is
mockery, laughter, snidery, etc., then it might turn him off entirely.  Is
that what we want to do?  Turn people off SF?  I wouldn't think so.  I figure
that one person reading Anthony and Eddings is better than someone reading
Harlequins(guardedly), and both are better than someone not reading at all.

I'll stop now.  But I would hope that, in future, such posts will be met with
appropriate responses.  (I mean, if someone posts here and says "I tried Iain
Banks and Gene Wolfe, and they suck, but Piers Anthony's awesome", then go
ahead and flame Anthony all you want...)

--
---Alfvaen(Canadian SF Quasi-Activist)
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 Back in your own world..."  ---Shakespear's Sister
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Current Read--Robert Heinlein:The Past Through Tomorrow
From: jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Help on Upcoming? Robert Jordan book
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:48:43 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Sep8.214432.17777@u.washington.edu> daynem@byron.u.washington.edu (Dayne Miller) writes:

>The sequel to Robert Jordan's _The Dragon Reborn_ has an official release date
>in early November, but will probably be in some bookstores as early as the 
>2nd week of October, or possibly even earlier. It is entitled _The Shadow

I just noted an ad for it, which says October, lending credance to the
theory of "even earlier."

--
John Hawkinson
jhawk@panix.com
From: mjb@doc.ic.ac.uk (Matthew J Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: SNOW CRASH by Neal Stephenson
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:58:02 GMT
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	<1992Sep10.021307.24667@newshost.unh.edu>
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In-reply-to: clc@kepler.unh.edu's message of 10 Sep 92 02:13:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.021307.24667@newshost.unh.edu> clc@kepler.unh.edu (Christian L Claiborn) writes:
>In article <920909.368448810@derrida.postmodern.com> mcb@derrida.postmodern.com (Am I Not Your Girl?) writes:
>>In the referenced article, williams@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Kent Williams) writes:
>>> If you're into the c'punk thing, "SNOW CRASH" slays.  It's a sort of a
>>> mystery shoot-em-up in real and virtual reality, and pushes some of
>>> the same buttons as Gibson's stuff, but the characters aren't as
>>> obsessed with their own coolness.
>>
>>But, wasn't that what made Gibson's works so much fun?
>>
>
>It was the ONLY thing that made his works so cool.  It wasn't like he knew
>anything about computers, writing, character development or plot structure.

Come on. Gibson's works have their flaws - and they are major - but
there was more to them than that. He could do powerful, atmospheric
description, and his imagination was in the right place.

He did know *nothing* about computers, though.

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From: mjb@doc.ic.ac.uk (Matthew J Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: PC Hodgell update
Date: 12 Sep 92 16:11:49 GMT
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In-reply-to: parmentier@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu's message of 11 Sep 92 19:54:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.135404.1@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu> parmentier@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu writes:
>	   P.C. Hodgell still does not have a publisher for the third book
>in her series.  DAW has had the book, trying to decide whether to print
>it, for almost a year.  Anyone who wants to see Jame in print again might
>want to write to DAW and ask them to print the book.  As soon as I get
>the address I'll be sending of a note.

This is one I don't understand. Why? _God Stalk_ was *good*. _Dark of
the Moon_ was OK. I can't see the standard of her third book being
that much worse. DAW prints stuff that's a tenth of the quality of
these. What's the problem? Is Hodgell or her agent being awkward over
the terms? (which was one story I'd heard). Whichever way, it doesn't
make sense, and can't be doing anyone any good.

-Matt

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From: bk@Turing.ORG (Brian Knatz)
Subject: Re: Who was Philip K. Dick ???
Summary: vanVogt's Null-A --> PKD's Null-O?
Keywords: Null-A, Null-O
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:39:42 GMT

(Mad City Blues) writes:
>(Mcirvin) writes...
>>(Wayne Newberry) writes:
>>>One piece of trivia.....I think that Dick got some early notice for trashing
>>>A.E. vanVogt's work.  
[...]
[vanVogt] was one of Campbell's favorite writers and his novels Slan
> and The World of Null-A were among the first novels to come out 
[...]

	Did PKD do his story "Null-O" in response to vanVogt's Null-A?

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From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Who was Philip K. Dick ???
Date: 15 Sep 92 01:26:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc8.mcirvin.716520367

wayne@sw.stratus.com (Wayne Newberry) writes:

>One piece of trivia.....I think that Dick got some early notice for trashing
>A.E. vanVogt's work.  He became much more "noticed" after he tore the man's
>work to shreds.  I think his theme was that vanVogt's stuff was scientifically
>impossible, and therefore not worth reading.

Philip K. Dick criticized someone else's work for being scientifically
impossible?  Is this the same Philip K. Dick who wrote some of the
most scientifically ridiculous (though wonderful) SF of the century?
The one who filled _Ubik_ with gobbledygook about "protophasons" and
included the statement that "all ions are negative"?  Whose favorite
plot devices included "psychotronic" microwave transmitters?  Dick's
stuff shone in many ways, but accuracy was hardly one of them.  
-- 
Matt McIrvin, Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
From: ca572@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark L. Stackpole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Blowups Happen
Date: 11 Sep 1992 21:51:52 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Not too surprisingly, there was some polishing and revision
between the magazine appearances and when the "Future History"
storis where collected 10 years later. The two examples I can
cite both come from "If this Goes On". First there was an
interpellated sex scene (or at least the implication that sex
way going on) that no way would have seen print in Campbell's
_Astounding_. Second, the rebels toss around the idea of 
putting some sort of mental controls on the masses so that another
First Prophet cannot rise again in the magazine version. In the 
book an old man (who looks like Mark Twain) blows his top that
such a repressive idea was even considered (and then promptly
drops dead). See Pashkin's _The World Beyond the Hill_ for more
Heinlein tidbits.
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From: clc@kepler.unh.edu (Christian L Claiborn)
Subject: Re: Piers Anthony
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:21:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.211008.8221@pbhyc.PacBell.COM> djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.183654.23641@newshost.unh.edu> clc@kepler.unh.edu (Christian L Claiborn) writes:
>
>>Instead of asking us to censor ourselves, it is your duty instead to ignore us.
>This has got to be one of the best things anyone ever said.
Apparently you've not been following me in other newsgroups.  I knock off 
bon mots all the time.  It's incredible- I'm like Voltaire but I'm not dead.
Or French, for that matter.  Or exiled.  Nor do I have an appreciation for 
French satire.  And I'm no good at puzzles.  But other than that, exactly 
like Voltaire.

>Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, Net.Roach
>My opinions do NOT represent Pacific Bell,
>Professional Development, or anyone else.
>But I'm willing to share.

					clc
"I used to dream and I used to bow, I wouldn't dream of it now."
					-- Morrissey
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From: Martin_G_Rowland@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Want Titles and Author
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 21:03:36 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

A friend of mine is looking for the name of a book and the author.  He
read it several years ago and this is what he remembers:

The setting is far in the future.  A possible post-apocalyspe world.  The
survivors consist of 3 groups:  a group of "christian-like" people,  a
group of savages that communicate by means of telepathy called "lep" and
a group of city dwellers that live behind a force field whick protects them
from the other two groups.  They use something like email to communicate.


Send mail to " martin g. rowland@portal.cup.com".  I don't often read this 
newsgroup.


thanks

Martin 





 
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From: aaron@space.ualberta.ca (Aaron Humphrey)
Subject: Blowups Happen
Reply-To: aaron@space.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:13:47 GMT

I'm in the middle of reading The Past Through Tomorrow(as you can see from my
sig).  In the story "Blowups Happen", there are mentioned the explosions at
Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The copyright date for the story is 1940.

Was Heinlein just a >>>very<<< shrewd guesser, or was there a little bit of
later editing to make the facts match up?  I'm used to them changing the
copyright dates when the story's been "revised" like that, but it seems much
more likely to me, and I'm wondering if anyone else has more info...

--
---Alfvaen(Canadian SF Quasi-Activist)
"Don't fight it--it's over your head."
Current Album--King Crimson:The Compact King Crimson
Current Read--Robert Heinlein:The Past Through Tomorrow
From: agapow@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Paul Michael Agapow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: HUGO Awards?
Date: 10 Sep 92 05:43:51 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

jen@athena.mit.edu (Jennifer Hawthorne) writes:
>ca572@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark L. Stackpole) writes:
>>
>>Hugo Winners - 1992
>>
>>NOVEL - Bujold - _Barrayar_ (Baen)
>>SHORT STORY - Landis - "A Walk in the Sun"
>
>Well, Barrayar was considerably more worthy than Falling Free (IMHO),
>but I find myself agreeing with you about the value of fen voting
>because of "A Walk in the Sun" winning in Short Story.  This story was
>easily the worst of the seven nominees (again, IMHO. No flaming
>please.) It was poorly written and had paper-thin characters and
>brainless situations, the problems with which have been hashed over at
>length here on the net.   

Glad to see i'm not the only one irritated by the Landis win. This is not
to say that Landis can't produce good work but, Oh Lord, "Walk in the Sun"
wasn't one of them. There must have been better contenders this year if
people insisted on "hard sf" - i could pick up Years Best and find at
least 3 in minutes.

>Connie Willis was robbed.

Willis' story was amusing, but ground that she's covered before and
better (vis "At the Rialto"). Me? i think Kessel was robbed ...

p-m

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From: msmith@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Dragon Lord)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Dreamer Fithp
Keywords: scientists, SF writers
Date: 11 Sep 92 03:33:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Sep11.033354.1536
Distribution: usa
Organization: Washington State University Tri-Cities, Richland

In article <1992Sep10.013809.369@ichips.intel.com> markg@pdx804 (Mark Gonzales) writes:
>In article <1030@tdat.teradata.COM> swf@tdat.teradata.com (Stanley Friesen) writes:
>>[...]  Pournell and Niven have made reference to this little
>>advisory group several times in speeches to fan groups.
>>[...]
>>They were, according to Pournell anyway, a major factor in starting a
>>certain low key space project the government is funding (*not* through
>>NASA either).  [And last I heard it was still active].
> [...]
>
>Anyway, writers of Niven-style wish fulfilment science fiction are about
>the last group that the gov't should be listening to for input on
>multi-billion dollar projects - what's wrong with listening to
>professional engineers for a change?

What's wrong?  hmm, how 'bout interference from congress?  A problem
some places are having is the LACK of imagination or the hyper-conservative
natures of some engineers.  I don't mean politically either!  I see
engineers every day who want to go back to their slip sticks because
they can't seem to understand computer aided anything!  There has GOT to
be a happy median someplace around here!!
From: mab@buphy.bu.edu (Michael Burstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Heinlein stories ?
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:11:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1992Sep10.052335.27385@newshost.unh.edu> clc@bofur.unh.edu (Christian L Claiborn) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.025827.9894@colorado.edu> robertm@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (MONTGOMERY ROBERT PH) writes:
>>Would someone please provide pointers to the following,
>>*supposedly* by Heinlein, e.g., a book the short story is in.
>
>>2. "4-D House"
>I think you mean "And He Built a Crooked House," one of Heinlein's only
>decent short stories, IMHO.  I realize that Heinlein attacks lead to holy wars,
>so I'll lay off, but 
>	"20 Classic Science Fiction Stories" had it in there, as well as
>	"Space Odessey" which was published by an obscure Czech press but
>contained some decent stuff.  "Crooked House" is a pretty common one.  Check
>your library.

The story "And He Built A Crooked House" also appears in Robert
Heinlein's collection "The Unpleasant Profession of Jonathan Hoag,"
which is still in print in paperback.  It's probably the easiest place
to find the story.

-- 
Michael A. Burstein
Physics Department, Boston University         mab@buphy.bu.edu
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From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: PC Hodgell update
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 21:18:16 GMT

mjb@doc.ic.ac.uk (Matthew J Brown) writes:

>In article <1992Sep11.135404.1@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu> parmentier@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu writes:
>>	   P.C. Hodgell still does not have a publisher for the third book
>>in her series.  DAW has had the book, trying to decide whether to print
>>it, for almost a year.  Anyone who wants to see Jame in print again might
>>want to write to DAW and ask them to print the book.  As soon as I get
>>the address I'll be sending of a note.

>This is one I don't understand. Why? _God Stalk_ was *good*. _Dark of
>the Moon_ was OK. I can't see the standard of her third book being
>that much worse. DAW prints stuff that's a tenth of the quality of
>these. What's the problem? Is Hodgell or her agent being awkward over
>the terms? (which was one story I'd heard). Whichever way, it doesn't
>make sense, and can't be doing anyone any good.

I enjoyed "God Stalk", but found it episodic and uneven.  [[Yes, I
understand it was a collection of shorter pieces glued together to
make a pseudo-novel that's easier to sell -- that's why it was episodic
and uneven.]]  Still, it had some good ideas and flashes of potential.

"Dark of the Moon" was one of the few books I could not force myself to
finish.  Two, maybe three cuts down in quality from "God Stalk".  If it
sold commeasurate with the quality, there'd be a real reluctance to pub
a third in the series.
-- 
 "When Dexter's on the Internet, can Hell be far behind?"
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From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: Re: Moties and the prisoner's dilemma
Date: 7 Sep 1992 00:12:44 GMT
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In article <715652177@sheol.UUCP> throopw@sheol.UUCP (Wayne Throop) writes:
)I'd recommend reading the account in Dawkins' "The
)Selfish Gene", or (I think) the same stuff covered in essays in
)Hofstadter's "Metamagical Themas" book.
)--
)Wayne Throop 

	Instead of reading Dawkins or Hofstatder on Axelrod, why not
read Axelrod himself? _The Evolution of Cooperation_ is short, nontechnical,
very readable, and covers some things that Hofstatdter doesn't mention.
(I haven't read Dawkins and so can't comment on him.) You'll usually
find it shelved under "Political Science".

-- 
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goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu  | I vacuum under the beds!"
goldfarb@UCBOCF.BITNET     |            -- Kim Stanley Robinson
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From: REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer)
Subject: Mercedes Lackey
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 18:42:47 EDT

I have a question about Ms. Lackey's work.  Has she written any other Diana
Tregarde books besides Jinx High?  Also, is she planning to write any more
in the future?
 
 
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