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From: ross@kaos.b11.ingr.com (Ross Erickson)
Subject: Re: Presidential talk
Reply-To: ross@kaos.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:27:27 GMT

>> >> But as long as the state is
>> >> going to recognize SOME marriages, it's going to have to recognize ALL
>> >> marriages.
>> 
>> >Say, between an Albanian herdsman and his favorite sheep? One involving an 8
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >year old child? Anyone really think there should be NO line drawn ANYWHERE,
>> >other than this gentleman? 
>> 
>> Who's to say?  Any attempt to draw such a line would be to impose a set
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> of morals on people who may not share them.  For the time being, I see
   ^^^^^^^^^
>> nothing wrong with any two people who claim to be married being
>> considered that way for legal purposes.  Of course, why should marriage
>> be restricted to couples?  Better the government just butt out.

The fact that this particular thread of conversation even takes place
and is typed with what I believe are straight faces, is further
evidence that the planet is in the toilet and Mr. Tydibowl is waving
goodbye.

Who's to say???????
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From: Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Homosexuals
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 16:09:53 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

TO: maxwell@deep-13.gizmo.com
 
Quoting...maxwell@deep-13.gizmo.com.....................    the sex 
acts of heterosexuality (among heterosexual people, at least) are 
what spread the disease called AIDS.
  AIDS spreads through *UNPROTECTED* *SEX*. (and dirty hypodermic 

needles
and...) Your choice of partner sex has little to do with it.
 
 
Leah's Reply:
 
    AIDS is spread through SEX (PERIOD). Using IV drugs. And your 

choice to have sex has everything to do with it...regardless of the 
gender of the partner you engage in sex with.
 
 
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From: rg@rg.b24a.ingr.com (Robert Greene)
Subject: Re: Presidential talk
Reply-To: rg@rg.b24a.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:39:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.223707.23865@infonode.ingr.com>, crossgl@infonode.ingr.com (Gordon Cross) writes:
|> In article <6454.2B0B926C@umagic.FIDONET.ORG> Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski) writes:
|> 
|> >  Voting for programs in our area is what he is supposed to do,
|> 
|> And *that* is perhaps one the the major reasons we are in our current mess.
|> The congress needs to concern itself with long range views for the *entire*
|> country and not merely for local "pork".

   Yes!!  Thank you!!  I've been thinking the same thing for a long time
   and am glad to see someone else agree!

   Just a little side note - When Bud-dy Boy was running for Congress the
   first time, he was asked about his position on SDI (Star Wars for those
   of you from the liberal side), and can anyone guess what wonderful
   answer he gave in reply?

   "It will provide jobs for the district, so I am for it."

   Not, "It may save lives on the battle field;  It is important to maintain
   our technological edge on our enemies".  No; none of these reasons, just
   the standard, "I'll bring home the pork!".  Now, I would rather send a 
   person to Congress that would only vote for "programs" that were in some
   way rational, than someone who would vote for "anything" just because it
   brought home some of my tax money to my district.  If it means that he
   angers fellow *law-makers* and they do not vote for any bill he
   sponsors, then that is a risk I am willing to take, because we will
   eventually have to draw the spending line somewhere or risk creating
   a debt that can never be paid.


|> -- 
|> 
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From: wilsonk@infonode.ingr.com (Keith Wilson)
Subject: STENO/TYPING SERVICE
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:01:53 GMT


Typing/bookkeeping/thesis/checkbook maintenance/billing/invoicing/dissertations
administration reports/resumes/term papers/transcription forms/correspondence/
SF-171 for individuals and business.

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From: jim@pustule.b29.ingr.com (Jim Weeks)
Subject: Re: Nashville Nightspot Recommendations
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: hsv
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:54:30 GMT

I just want to know when and how Nina became such an expert on this place ???
   
   Well Nina ???
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From: crossgl@infonode.ingr.com (Gordon Cross)
Subject: Re: Presidential talk
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:49:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.233915.25803@infonode.ingr.com> rg@rg.b24a.ingr.com writes:
>   ... eventually have to draw the spending line somewhere or risk creating
>   a debt that can never be paid.

We've *already* created a debt that can never be paid.
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Madison, AL 35758     MA BELL:  (205) 730-3760               of my employer."
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From: pat@fitz.b30.ingr.com (Patrick Fitzgerald)
Subject: Re: Presidential talk
Reply-To: pat@fitz.b30.ingr.com
Organization: Gizmonic Institute
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:00:44 GMT

Craig.Presson@f32.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Craig Presson) writes:
>
>Nancy is back in Atlanta job-hunting. [...]  (Actually, Andre is a
>resident of Lost Wages NV now. Maybe he can go help Tamara Clark, the
>Libertarian candidate for State Senate who got the election stolen from
>her.)

According to Libernet, Nancy Lord is already there helping Tamara Clark
"fight the good fight (tm)".  If you think the elections were bad around
here, they're really fighting in the trenches over there.
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  You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a
  reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the
  very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for
  independence.
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From: puttk@infonode.ingr.com (Ken Putt)
Subject: Re: Homeosexuality
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:25:46 GMT

margaret@infonode.ingr.com (Margaret Wiginton) writes:

>homosexuals.  And I do not believe that people choose their 
>sexual orientations any more than they choose they color of
>their eyes.  Homosexualality is not a personality disorder, 
>a mental illness, or an identity crisis.  Its a sexual orientation, 
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I'm amazed at how easily some people can embrace a simple buzzword and 
use it to justify a blatently unnatural act. If only we could come up
with a fashionable buzzword for common sense, perhaps we could get
our society back on the right track. 

Ken

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From: tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com (T.J. Higgins)
Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
Reply-To: tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com
Organization: The Ernest P. Worrell Institute for the Study of the Vernal Equinox
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:31:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.203209.21057@infonode.ingr.com>, kenney@tribe.b17d.ingr.com (David Kenney) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov17.173534.5906@b8.b8.ingr.com>, tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com (T.J. Higgins) writes:
|> |> There is growing scientific evidence that homosexuality has a 
|> |> biological basis; i.e. they really are born that way.
|> 
|> I don't wish to speak for or against this point right now, just that
|> I don't understand it.  Maybe my understanding of genetics is flawed.
|> Anyway, if we assume people that are genetically predisposed to
|> homosexuality have even slightly less children than people genetically
|> predisposed to heterosexuality, wouldn't the "homosexual genes" disappear
|> after a few thousand years at most?  Yet, I have heard claims that the
|> percentage of homosexuals have remained fairly constant throughout history.
|> 
|> Or are these supposed "biological" factors non-genetic, like maybe tempature
|> of the mother's womb or something?

From what I have read, no one yet knows the source of the condition.  
Could be viral, bacterial, genetic, or environmental.  I hesitate to
use the term "cause," as that implies that some sort of corrective
measures can be taken to reverse the condition.
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From: John.Blumer@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Blumer)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 06:47:28 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

 > I would agree with you except for one thing you are forgetting.
 > A person can have AIDS for years and not test positive
 > for it.
 >   Therefore if a restraunt owner, or any PRIVATE business
 
 It can be years before 

you see the AIDSV symptoms but most people test positive for HIV within 
6 months of exposure
 
 > owner
 > does not want to hire a person because of that persons
 > sexual
 > habits (I mean--even a female prostituet too) then they
 
Hmm, I never saw the sexual activity papargraph on any of my job 
applications. Where have you been applying to?
 



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From: jerry@lambda.b23b.ingr.com (Jerry Suiter)
Subject: Interesting People
Reply-To: jerry@lambda.b23b.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:27:44 GMT

It very interesting that some people spend hours responding 
to every subject put into alt.hsv.  These people do this day
in and day out.  The funny thing is that if they run out of
subjects to respond to, they respond to there own posts.

What a life.

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From: dug@dug.b17d.ingr.com (Doug Taylor)
Subject: Recommend a chimney sweep?
Reply-To: dug@dug.b17d.ingr.com
Organization: Imaging systems, Intergraph Corp, Huntsville, AL
Distribution: hsv
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:59:11 GMT

I have a wood-burning insert that makes cleaning the chimney difficult.  Anybody
out there know of a good, cheap, intelligent, experienced, chimney sweep?  Who
should I avoid?
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From: Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 23:17:24 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

As the Church lady would say "How Convenient" You left out the
part of my message dealing with HIV. There is a rising consencus
among AIDS researchers that HIV may not be the cause of AIDS.
Therefore I stick to my original post.
Leah

 

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From: tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com (T.J. Higgins)
Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
Reply-To: tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com
Organization: The Ernest P. Worrell Institute for the Study of the Vernal Equinox
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:35:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.140522.28537@b11.b11.ingr.com>, puttk@b11.b11.ingr.com (Ken Putt) writes:
|> gary@cdthq.UUCP (Gary Heston) writes:
|> >Somebody else wrote:
|> >> How do you feel on gays in the military?
|> 
|> >Who cares? 
|> 
|> You should.  Just as you should care that Clinton intends to place
|> homosexual(s) in high appointed positions as a sort of "affirmative
|> action" plan to lock in all those gay votes.  

It is well known that there is an openly homosexual person in Dick 
Cheney's Department of Defense.  Knowing the castigation this person 
would take at the hands of the bigots, religious and otherwise, the
national media have not identified him/her.  (I have been told by a
friend that it is Pete Wilson, the DOD spokesman during the Persion
Gulf War, but that is just hearsay.)  So even though there is a rule
against gays in the armed forces, a rule which Chaney, Bush, Quayle,
et.al. support, there is a gay in a high place in the DOD.  This
would appear to invalidate the rule.  It also shows that it is not
just Clinton that appoints gays to high positions.

Homosexuals are a fact of life.  They have been around for thousands 
of years.  They aren't going away.  Ever.  Get used to it.

There is growing scientific evidence that homosexuality has a 
biological basis; i.e. they really are born that way.  There was a 
cover story about this in Newsweek several months ago.

|> Yes, IMHO, homosexuality is NOT an acceptable
|> way of life simply because groups of them band together and form PAC's
|> to gain political clout and drive the media to tout their lifestyle as
|> an acceptable "alternate".  It is and always will be an unnatural type
|> of behavior that merits our attention...not to accept it but to try to
|> correct it in a civilized and logical way.  Homosexuality goes against
|> the very future of mankind, and I for one will never support it or allow
|> it to be represented to my children as an acceptable way of life.  

If indeed homosexuality is a biological condition, then it is not an 
"unnatural type of behavior."  To try and "correct it in a civilized
and logical way" would itself be unnatural.

And even though homosexuals have been around for thousands of years,
mankind appears to be thriving.  This would appear to counter your 
argument that "homosexuality goes against the very future of mankind."

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From: ed@fhouse.UUCP (Ed Felton)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Homosexuals
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:4:39 GMT
Organization: Summa Technology, Inc.

Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski @ FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL) once wrote....
>TO: maxwell@deep-13.gizmo.com
> 
>Quoting...maxwell@deep-13.gizmo.com.....................    the sex 
>acts of heterosexuality (among heterosexual people, at least) are 
>what spread the disease called AIDS.
>  AIDS spreads through *UNPROTECTED* *SEX*. (and dirty hypodermic needles
>and...) Your choice of partner sex has little to do with it.
> 
>Leah's Reply:
> 
>    AIDS is spread through SEX (PERIOD). Using IV drugs. And your 
>choice to have sex has everything to do with it...regardless of the 
>gender of the partner you engage in sex with.
> 
  Yeah... Never, Never, NEVER engage in sex with dirty hypodermic needles!
  ;-)
> 
>End 
>
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From: mason@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Mason)
Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:37:16 GMT

puttk@b11.b11.ingr.com (Ken Putt) writes:
>compassion and concern, just as we should display toward anyone with any
>other emotional problem.  Yes, IMHO, homosexuality is NOT an acceptable
>way of life simply because groups of them band together and form PAC's
>to gain political clout and drive the media to tout their lifestyle as
>an acceptable "alternate".

"Fundamentalist christianity is NOT an acceptable way of life simply
because groups of them band together and form PAC's to gain political
clout and drive the media to tout their lifestyle as the one "true"
social order."

The point is that it is silly to complain about gay/lesbian use of
PACS when this is how our government policy is influenced.  Gays and
lesbians form PACs.  Fundamentalists form PACs.  Industry and foreign
interest groups form PACs.  If you don't like the PAC system, fight to
change it.

>It is and always will be an unnatural type
>of behavior that merits our attention...not to accept it but to try to
>correct it in a civilized and logical way.

It is the question of the first person plural which is cause for concern.
When you say homosexuality "merits our attention" because we must "try to
correct it," who is it that should perform the "correction?"  Who will
establish what "correct" is?  The government?  What kind of correction
need be applied?  Shock treatments?  Indoctrination centres?  Prison camps?

>Homosexuality goes against
>the very future of mankind, and I for one will never support it or allow
>it to be represented to my children as an acceptable way of life.  We
>live in a wonderful country with many freedoms, but look around you and
>see what abuse of freedom has brought our society to.  Being free
>requires greater self-discipline.  It does NOT mean that "anything
>goes". 

Implicit here, of course, is that you are self-disciplined, while I am
not.  Proof?  Are you saying that it took a lot of self-discipline on
your part to be a heterosexual, while I wasn't disciplined enough and
gave into impulses to be gay?  And here I thought your heterosexuality
was natural and innate.....

-Jim

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From: jim@doink.b23b.ingr.com (James B. Reed)
Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
Reply-To: jimreed@b23b.b23b.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:05:33 GMT

In article <6424.2B069E6F@umagic.FIDONET.ORG>, John.Blumer@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Blumer) writes:
|>  > ... Cracker Barrel not hiring homosexuals...
|>  
|>  > Furthermore you must consider the liability factor. We all
|>  > know that the highest group of people with AIDS is the
|>  > members of the homosexual community. A restaraunt owner
|>  > then opens himself up to legal problems when one of his
|>  > homosexual employees cuts themselves and the cause of AIDS
|>  > is spread to a customer. A lawsuit I am sure we will se
|>  > within the next five years.
|>  >
|>  
|> So now we should discriminate aganist someone who has done nothing 
|> wrong, just because of a group they belong to?

Actually, the most sensible thing to do is test people for HIV in
order to distinguish those "at risk" from those who are actually
infected.  Of course, that's illegal in this country.

|> I might agree with you someone who is HIV positive should take special 
|> caution or not perform certain jobs, ...

The sad fact is that some who are HIV positive don't take special
cautions.

|> ... but to discriminate aganist 
|> a group because of a "if" goes aganist everything I think this country 
|> stands for.

If the healthy populace had some reason to believe that they would
not get infected by accident, then I agree that there's no basis for
such discrimination.  However, if I perceive that there's a risk
(of any size) in eating a meal by someone at risk for HIV, I reserve
the right to not eat that meal.

Unfortunately, the homosexual rights groups do not appear to be
interested in treating AIDS as a public health issue, but rather
as a human rights one.

-- 
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Intergraph Corporation       | Find out why,
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From: Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Homosexuality Chosen or Deformity?
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 14:10:13 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

He He He... Now I must admit i, for once, lost my cool. Perhaps
I should take it back.... 
   
   
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Then again, I would like a new puppy.

 

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