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From: duxbury@fraser.sfu.ca (Nancy Ann Duxbury)
Subject: Mac BBS Carrier Detect Cable
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 03:26:44 GMT


  Hi.

  I'm trying to set up a BBS on my Mac Classic, using the public
domain program MUBBS.

  Generally, I'm having problems with my cable, and my modem strings.
I'm running it through an E-Mac MD2400 modem. This 2400 baud modem
accepts Class 5 MNP commands.

  The problem with the cable is getting it to send out a carrier
detect signal to see if there is still a computer on the user end.
Today, I bought a modem cable that's supposed to handle hardware
carrier detect. However, I'm still having the same problem as before.

  My modem string currently looks like this:

  ATH0E0V0M0S0=0S2=2&C1

H0=HANG UP
E0=Don't show the command on screen
V0=Numeric response codes
M0=Modem speaker off
S0=0 Modem does not auto-answer (BBS sends ATA command)
S2=2 Escape code
&C1= Show carrier present only when there is one.

  However, the program still states there is a carrier when there is
nobody online, even with the new cable. Am I missing something? Are
their any MNP-specific commands that I should include?

  Please reply via e-mail.

  Thanks in advance!

  Bill Currie
  duxbury@sfu.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: creed@blowfish.taligent.com (Creed Erickson)
Subject: Re: Printing via Parallel/Localtalk: What's Faster?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Taligent, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 08:58:19 GMT

In article <smwall-161192111506@hipmac1.pica.army.mil>,
smwall@pica.army.mil (Steve Wall) wrote:
> 
> In our office we have a Tektronics Phaser IIPXi color printer.  Currently 
> it's connected to our 10Base-T network via an Etherprint+ box.  Our Novell
> guru is recommending we switch the Phaser over to an Intel NetPort II,
> which
> is similar to the Etherprint+, but outputs to a parallel port instead of
> Localtalk.  She says this will improve performance.  I think she's
> confusing
> Localtalk connection performance with serial connection performance, and
> that
> Localtalk should be marginally faster or at least equal to parallel for
> this
> printer.
> 
> The Localtalk net for this printer is quite lightly loaded, consisting of 
> the Phaser, a Laserwriter II and a NetSerial connected to a plotter.  None
> of
> these items is in very heavy use.
> 
>   Theoretic data rate for Localtalk is 230Kbps, while parallel
> is 115Kbps(?), so assuming a little more overhead in Appletalk packet
> switching, I expect very similar throughput from Localtalk or parallel.
> 
> Can anyone offer their experience in printing to a Postscript printer in
> parallel or Localtalk, or formal/informal benchmarks to show what's
> faster?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.
> 
> Steve Wall   smwall@pica.army.mil

I can't offer a lot of first-hand experience, but here's something to
consider:

I think you're confusing parallel port connection performance with serial
port performance.  If the bytes clock off the parallel port at the
theoretical max of 115.2Khz, then you have an effective performance of
921.6Kbps- remember the data path is 8 bits wide instead of 1 bit as with
serial/Localtalk.

---
Creed Erickson,
Software Dweeb and Spurious Interrupt

Opinions expressed here are not neccessarily those of my employer, but I'm
working on it.
From: martineau@macmartineau.ccr.hydro.qc.ca (Alain Martineau)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: MacTCP license fees
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:35:45 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Hydro Quebec

In article <1992Nov21.134552.365@mis.mcw.edu>, bmueller@mis.mcw.edu wrote:
> 
> Netters,
>   I understand that MacTCP 1.1.1 will cost $25 or $100, depending upon
> whether you "have had it before".
> 
>   I have had earlier versions bundled with comm software (through v 1.1).
> Does that put me in the "did not have it before" classification?
> 
>   Thanks in advance.
> 
>                                         ...Bob

I have MacTCP as part of Pathworks that I bought from Digital. How do I
prove that I already got it ? 

Alain Martineau
Hydro Quebec
martineau@macmartineau.ccr.hydro.qc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: csanii@bmera226.bnr.ca (Cyrus Sanii)
Subject: Info on X-Windows + SLIP for MAC
Keywords: X Windows, SLIP
Reply-To: csanii@bmera226.bnr.ca (Cyrus Sanii)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 13:59:08 GMT

Has anyone gotten SLIP to work with Xwindows on a MAC?  Basically
what I would like is to be able to use my MAC at home, call work,
and run Xwindows applications to display on my MAC.  I know SLIP
will allow the serial communications but is there SLIP which 
supports Xwindows traffic?(Yes I realize that this is pointless
without a fast modem)

Please post all replies to this news conference since I believe 
there will be many people interested in this.

Thanks in advance for the info.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: charliep@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Charles Patton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: X packages for Mac other than MacX?
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:20:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvra.25620004
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA

/ hpcvra:comp.sys.mac.comm / MikeSummers@cup.portal.com (Michael - Summers) /  7:25 am  Nov 17, 1992 /
Can anyone recommend 3rd party X packages for the Mac? I'm having 
problems with Apples product and would like some alternatives.

--Mike
----------

eXodus from White Pine Software
40 Simon St. Suite 201
Nashua NH 03060-3043
(603) 886-9050

I use both MacX and eXodus and I like eXodus better.
*******************************************************
** Charles M. Patton                                 **
**                                                   **
** charliep@cv.hp.com                                **
**      the usual disclaimers apply                  **
*******************************************************
From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: GV PowerPort Gold & SLIP: poor performance!
Date: 22 Nov 1992 07:10:33 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu


 CSP1DWD@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSP1DWD) writes:
> cslip performance on an internal PowerPort Gold moden on a PB-170 is terrible,
> FTP transfer rates of 800 chars/sec on already compressed data... the same
> configuration when used with an external v.32bis modem approaches 1660 cps


	are you aware of, and are you using the PowerBook Tuner extension?

	GV included an alfa release in its 2.03/4 distributions - I don't
	know about 2.06.  I had heard that it endangers the file-system's
	integrity, but I don't know how or why.  I suspect that it is ok to
	try it out (after a good backup) to evaluate it in respect to the
	problem you observed.

	you may also want to ask Apple about a release date for PowerBook Tuner...
-- 
  werner@cs.utexas.edu |  ..!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!werner | werner@UTXVM.bitnet

              "Free Advice and Opinions -- Refunds Available"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Distribution: world
From: Darren_E._Tong@fourd.com
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:35:32 EST
Subject: Re: Fax software that do OCR?

There are a couple-Faxmanager Plus by stf technologies and a few others by
calera and the makers of omnipage-they are all getting into it-watch for the
price/features wars to begin.

- BulkRate: the Danish call it "Spumco"! WHY??-darren_tong@fourd.com

********************************************************************
System: fourd.com                                Phone: 617-494-0565
Cute quote:  Being a computer means never having to say you're sorry
********************************************************************

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: sdorner@qualcomm.com (Steve Dorner)
Subject: Re: URGENT: How to DISABLE Apple double in NFS/Share
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:36:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.222439.23720@udel.edu>, deek@pecan.cns.udel.edu
(michael deerkoski) wrote:
> 
> I hope you understand my frustration
> watching InterCon attack Apple's plans of possibly charging for MacTCP
> with far more vigor that it attacks the problems their users are experiencing
> with their products.

Hey.  I'm the one making the biggest noise around here (or, at least I'm
sure trying to be), and I'm not remotely connected with InterCon.  

As for "Apple's plans of possibly charging for MacTCP"; well, all I can say
is that that's the understatement of the millenium.
--
Steve Dorner, Qualcomm, Inc.
Why does Apple want to eliminate cheap MacTCP applications?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Rob_Stokes.Operations@QMail.SSC.Gov (Rob Stokes)
Subject: Re: Timbutu on MacTCP (Was TB2 on Pathworks)
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: SSC Information Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:32:27 GMT

What about using Timbuktu over TCP/IP?  I know that Aspects can use the
MacTCP drivers; how hard is it for Farrallon to add support for MacTCP or
the CommToolBox for that matter?
Rob Stokes
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Distribution: world
From: Darren_E._Tong@fourd.com
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:56:09 EST
Subject: Dove's bbs?and dove fax+

I thought dove was in chapter 11. Can you send me the number of their BBS? 
I just picked up a copy of mac wharehouse and under the dove products they
have a new DOvefax-V.  What is this- it boasts voice messaging in the
background! but is not yet system 7 compataible. a call to mac warehouse
yielded no answers. 
What is this an upgrade or new product or just software???
Is dove dead or just hiding???

- BulkRate: the Danish call it "Spumco"! WHY??-darren_tong@fourd.com

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System: fourd.com                                Phone: 617-494-0565
Cute quote:  Being a computer means never having to say you're sorry
********************************************************************

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: haase@meediv.lanl.gov (Peter Haase - LANL)
Subject: Re: Global Village Fax Software Prob w/ PowerPort GOLD
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:52:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.201206.22822@henson.cc.wwu.edu>,
n9146269@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Gargoyle) wrote:
> 
> Hello....
> 
>   I recently bought a brand spanking new powerbook 160 and it came with System
> 7.1 - I also got a Global Village Powerport Gold which is working right now
> (I'm using it to type this message right now) - BUT I'm having software
> problems with the fax side of the thing... It says on startup that the software
> didn't load due to the fact that my powerbook isn't a powerbook ect... 
> 
> Is this an incompatiblility with System 7.1? Apparently Apple fixed a lot of 
> incompatibilities that occured between 6.0.8 to 7.0.1... Maybe there is a
> conflict now?
> 

You need to get Global Village FAX and Powerport SW version 2.0.6...I am
running 7.1 on a PB170 but am getting a 180 next week and called to see
if the PowerPort/Gold would work in the 180 and was told yes as long
as I Upgraded the PowerPort Software to 2.0.6...I imagine the same is true
with the 160......It is posted on Applelink.
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Peter Haase                                   haase@meediv.lanl.gov
Los Alamos National Laboratory
Mechanical Electronic Engineering Division
From: stevewi@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Steve Witten)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:07:17 GMT
Subject: Re: MTU on MacSLIP?/Transmission speed
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm

>I'm switching over from Microphone II to MacSLIP and have two questions:
>1) MacSLIP has something called MTU which has a default setting of 1500.
>What is MTU, and what should the setting be?
>

MTU stands for "Media Transfer Unit".  This is essentially the MAXIMUM frame
size for the medium you are using.  For Ethernet, the MTU is 1514
octets (or 1518 if you count the Frame Check Sequence as part of the
frame).

I don't know what a good MTU is for MacSLIP.  On our HP9000's, I
believe it is set to 1006.
 
>2) I'm using a 9600 V.32/V.42 bis modem, with what I think is the correct
>initialization code (it works properly on Microphone), but when I do file
>transfer such as FTP with Fetch, the maximum transfer rate is only around
>900 bps. I have the computer speed set at 38400 with MacSLIP. With
>Microphone I'm able to transfer up to 2200 bps. Any ideas?
>

Sorry, I can't help with this one.

>If possible, please answer by e-mail.
>Thanks in advance for your help!
>
>-Rob
>-- 
>%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>Robert M. Golub, M.D.           Division of General Internal Medicine
>222 E. Superior                 Northwestern University Medical School
>Chicago, IL 60611               E-mail: golub@nwu.edu    Voice: (312) 908-8630

===============================================================================
Steve Witten                    stevewi%hpspd@hplabs.hp.com
Network Test Division           ...!hplabs!hpspd!stevewi
Hewlett-Packard Co.             stevewi@hpspd.spd.hp.com
From: lord@andersen.uucp (Bob Lord)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: GraceLAN and AutoDoubler
Keywords: GraceLAN, AutoDoubler
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:02:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: andersen.lord.722106157
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA

I have been trying to use GraceLAN to see which version of some software
people on my network are using.  GraceLAN seemed to work great until I
noticed that some people were listed as having almost no software.  These
people also had AutoDoubler running.

Has anyone else has this experience?

-- 
Bob Lord					100 South Wacker Room 932
Network Manager					Chicago IL, 60606
CSTaR Group, Andersen Consulting		312-507-5353
lord@andersen.com
From: jrh@de.deere.com (John R. Howell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: URGENT: How to DISABLE Apple double in NFS/Share
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:49:40 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Deere & Company

In article <9211101037.AA55801@chaos.intercon.com>, amanda@intercon.com
(Amanda Walker) wrote:
> 
> Folks, we do have a complete technical support department that can help you 
> with this sort of problem.  The phone number is in our manuals, but I include 
> it below for anyone who has misplaced it.  Most of our customers generally 
> find that calling us is more effective than sending questions about our 
> products all around the world on Usenet :)...
> 
> 
> Amanda Walker
> 
> InterCon Systems Corporation
> 950 Herndon Parkway
> Herdon, VA 22070
> +1 703 709 5500 (voice)
> +1 703 709 5555 (fax)
> +1 703 709 5520 (tech support)

Sorry Amanda, but I can't agree.

I call your Tech Support number and get a touch-tone menu that basically
makes me leave a message.  When I do talk with a Tech Support engineer,
they listen to my problem and then say they'll get back to me, but NEVER
do.

for me the "net" provides MUCH better support.

John


John Howell
Deere & Company
(The Big Green Tractor People)
jrh@de.deere.com
From: n9146269@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Gargoyle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Global Village Fax Software Prob w/ PowerPort GOLD
Keywords: Powerport Global Village Problem help
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:12:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Nov15.201206.22822
Organization: Western Washington University

Hello....

  I recently bought a brand spanking new powerbook 160 and it came with System
7.1 - I also got a Global Village Powerport Gold which is working right now
(I'm using it to type this message right now) - BUT I'm having software
problems with the fax side of the thing... It says on startup that the software
didn't load due to the fact that my powerbook isn't a powerbook ect... 

Is this an incompatiblility with System 7.1? Apparently Apple fixed a lot of 
incompatibilities that occured between 6.0.8 to 7.0.1... Maybe there is a
conflict now?

 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-    / a.k.a.
 _O_     OverLord Of Underlings    _O_   / Ryan Davis
  |            Gargoyle             |   / n9146269@henson.cc.wwu.edu
 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- /
Please EMail all replies

-- 
 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-    / a.k.a.
 _O_     OverLord Of Underlings    _O_   / Ryan Davis
  |            Gargoyle             |   / n9146269@henson.cc.wwu.edu
 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- /
From: skt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Simon K Train)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Remote modem connection to Filemaker Pro server.
Date: 19 Nov 92 11:27:43 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.


 Claris FileMaker Pro allows a Mac to be setup as a database server. This means
other Mac's can connect to the server (a Mac running the FMP application with
the database open) and perform operations on the database. 
 Would it be possible to connect to the FMP server from a remote Mac using a
modem? I know the details are quite vague, but I thought there might be someone
who has tried this out already.

Simon T.
From: haase@meediv.lanl.gov (Peter Haase - LANL)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Installing ARA
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:29:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: macpkh.haase-171192082828
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

In article <1ea7dtINN9n5@morrow.stanford.edu>, kayc@leland.Stanford.EDU (K
C Ku) wrote:
> 
> I am trying to install ARA on a PB170. The installer from the ARA disk
> runs great and seems to install everything just nice. When I click on
> the remote access icon as stated in the manual, a message that says
> that ARA was not installed correctly. I reinstalled my system 7.0.1 as
> well as reinstalling the ARA to no result.
> 
> Does somebody has a similiar experience, or can someone suggest some
> things I can try to get ARA installed on my PB170.
> 

Open the Chooser and Enable Appletalk......

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Peter Haase                                   haase@meediv.lanl.gov
Los Alamos National Laboratory
Mechanical Electronic Engineering Division
From: sk4i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Samuel John Kass)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,cmu.comp.sys.mac
Subject: Re: MacTCP / SLIP problems
Date: 15 Nov 92 23:08:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.4f1qIUS00UhWI0v3tP
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

What version of MacTCP?  MacTCP 1.0.1 bombs when virtual memory is
turned on.  That's the only thing I can think of offhand.
    --Sam
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: jbailey@world.std.com (james d bailey)
Subject: Re: Terminal Programs (give it a rest bill)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:26:37 GMT

time@ice.com (Tim Endres) writes:


>Once is more than enough Bill! Give it a rest.
>If you want to email these people, fine, but get out of my face!


>tim endres - time@ice.com

>Register your company in the Internet Business Pages!
> ...send email to "ibp-info@msen.com" for details...

>USENET - a slow moving self parody... ph

That seems a little harsh.  If you don't want to read what he writes put
his name in a kill file.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Sean McMains <mcmains@unt.edu>
Subject: Re: FAQ - Powerbook Modem recommendations ?
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A72EF25AB8020205@isbdeskmac.acs.unt.edu>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 17 Nov 92 12: 02:50 GMT
Organization: University of North Texas
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:02:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.112748.9965@sys.uea.ac.uk> Greg Newton-Ingham,
Greg@sys.uea.ac.uk writes:
>Sorry about this but I have just ordered a PB180 and I want to put a 
>modem in it. The modem will be used for Fax (send) and ARA (at least
>9600).

If you can afford to wait a bit, go with the new express modem that Apple
will be releasing soon. It's a high speed device and will cost less than
any other modem I've seen for the PowerBooks. It offloads the compression
to the main processor, so it might slow down other tasks a bit, but it
looks to be a very good solution for one's portably modem needs.
==========================================================================
Sean McMains <mcmains@unt.edu>        |          University of North Texas
==========================================================================
"An open mind, in questions that are  not ultimate, is useful. But an open
mind about  the ultimate  foundations either  of Theoretical  or Practical
Reason is idiocy." - C.S. Lewis
==========================================================================
From: adr@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tony Roberts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Internet Router & Network CP settings?
Date: 20 Nov 92 10:29:13 GMT

We have an internet router on an SE30 running sys 7.0.1, which until
recently connected our local-talk network to ethernet. Now it will not
work unless the Network Control Panel has LocalTalk selected. This is
ok I suppose, but shouldn't it work on either local-talk or
ether-talk? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Tony Roberts
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU
Subject: Does FaxSTF work on Global Village's Faxmodems?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:52:57 GMT

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
From: jrh@de.deere.com (John R. Howell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: InterCon Technical Support
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:33:11 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Deere & Company

In article <jrh-161192134120@coyote.de.deere.com>, jrh@de.deere.com (John
R. Howell) wrote:
> 
> In article <9211101037.AA55801@chaos.intercon.com>, amanda@intercon.com
> (Amanda Walker) wrote:
> > 
> > Folks, we do have a complete technical support department that can help you 
> > with this sort of problem.

> Sorry Amanda, but I can't agree.
> 
> I call your Tech Support number and get a touch-tone menu that basically
> makes me leave a message.  When I do talk with a Tech Support engineer,
> they listen to my problem and then say they'll get back to me, but NEVER
> do.
> 
> for me the "net" provides MUCH better support.

After I posted this article I received FOUR email messages from different
members of Intercon's staff _and_ a telephone call from a Technical Support
Engineer with an offer to fix my long standing problem.

It appears that Intercon truly cares and is trying to improve their
support.

John Howell
Deere & Company
(The Big Green Tractor People)
jrh@de.deere.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: PETER@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.edu (Peter Furmonavicius)
Subject: Re: SMTP Gateway
Organization: Yale University Computer Center
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 17:28:56 EST

We use Mail*Link, from StarNine.  It works very well for us.
 
BITnet:  Peter @ YaleVM      InterNet:  Peter @ YaleVM.YCC.Yale.edu
 
| Yale University Computer Center |      Peter Furmonavicius
| 175 Whitney Avenue              |      Senior Research Programmer
| P.O. Box 2112 Yale Station      |      phone: (203) 432-6691
| New Haven, CT  06520-2112       |        fax: (203) 432-6165
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: deek@pecan.cns.udel.edu (michael deerkoski)
Subject: Re: URGENT: How to DISABLE Apple double in NFS/Share
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:24:39 GMT

Thank you for you honest reply.  However, I hope you understand my frustration
watching InterCon attack Apple's plans of possibly charging for MacTCP
with far more vigor that it attacks the problems their users are experiencing
with their products.


Hopefully InterCon, just like Apple will listen to the complaints of their
users and strive to correct them, even when it may cost a little.

Sincerely,

-- 
Michael Deerkoski           |Internet: deek@brahms.udel.edu
Undergraduate               |     FTP: rayst3.rayst.udel.edu
University of Delaware      |CompuServe: 76300,2612|AppleLink:      deek
Apple Computer Student Rep. |ARA:      302 837-6473|America Online: deek
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm