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From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
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Subject: Re: Poll results as of Monday Morning....2 more days!
Date: 16 Nov 1992 13:32:40 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
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What are the rules again?

vote for 2 guards, 2 forwards, 1 center and MVP? or something else?

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From: terry@leland.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Re: What about Seattle?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 00:15:07 GMT

In article <1e5u0rINNhci@nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu>, krishna@nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu (Krishna R Akkina) writes:
|> It's interesting that in the articles about Portland being the team to beat, 
|> no one thought Seattle would be a challenge in the Pacific. 
|> They to are undefeated(as of 11/15/92) and have one hell of a center 
|> (Shawn Kemp).  I think Seattle will be the surprise team of the Pacific 
|> if no one else believes they are a threat.  

Though Seattle is still undefeated, they haven't played any of the top
teams so it is hard to gauge them.  So far, they have beaten Houston twice
at a neutral site, and the Lakers and Sacramento at home. 
All these teams are at best mediocre.
By contrast, Portland has beaten Denver, Phoenix, and Cleveland at home and
Golden State on the road.  Golden State is not at their best right now
but Phoenix and Cleveland are legitimate title contenders.

Like everyone, we will have to wait and see.  It's still too early.

					terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU
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From: jwnagle@loglady.ninds.nih.gov (Jim Nagle)
Subject: Re: Pippen Overrated? (was Suns Report: Phoenix dominates Jazz)
Reply-To: jwnagle@loglady.ninds.nih.gov (Jim Nagle)
Organization: National Inst. of Health, NINDS, LMCN
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:41:50 GMT

in a recent post (Jerray Wei) writes:

> As for premier SF in the East, ever hear
>of Dominique Wilkins?  Last I heard, 'Nique was averaging over 30 ppg and
>shooting better than 50%.  Not as well rounded as Pippen, but a good notch
>or two ahead of him in scoring and a slightly better rebounder.

Wilkins is a 1 dimensional player who takes way too many bad shots
even if he is the only scoring threat on his team. He has nowhere near
the all around game Pippen has especially defensively. Nique's FG% may
be >50% now but check it at the end of the season.
-jim
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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Knicks @ LAC mini report (was Hot Plate Williams)
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:50:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.210525.6647@babbage.ece.uc.edu> rbd@flash.ece.uc.edu (Bobby Davis) writes:

>In article <6986@dove.nist.gov> hira@cme.nist.gov writes:
>>I did get to see Fatso Williams who's getting lots of minutes for the Clips.
>>Fatso has been playing center because Stanley Roberts is so out of shape...
>
>Ron, keep up the great work!  Fatso playing because someone ELSE is out of
>shape is the funniest thing I've heard in weeks!  Truth really is stranger
>than fiction sometimes, isn't it?

     Yeah, Stanley Roberts is one of the few guys in the NBA who makes
John Williams look small.  Roberts and Spencer have been massively
ineffective and foul-prone so far, so Williams, Manning and maybe Vaught
have been seeing some playing time at center.
     Last night when the Knicks came in, Williams played a good number
of minutes at center, with Ewing often guarding him.  Larry 
Brown used this opportunity to have Williams be a "point center": 
Mark Jackson would bring the ball up and he and Williams would share
ball-handling duties in the halfcourt offense.  Williams did a good
job here:  he has very good passing skills and there's no way his
defender  -- Ewing -- was going to pressure the ball 25 or 30 feet
from the basket.  So Williams could operate pretty much unhindered.
    Charles Smith has his homecoming. Ironically, one of the reasons 
he left the Clippers was because he would've had to play starting
center.  But it looks like he's playing some backup center for the
Knicks.  I don't know why the Knicks don't have Mason play back-up
center instead of Smith.  Smith certainly has had a disappointing
season so far, but I still believe he will make a big contribution
to the Knicks.
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From: pkeenan@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Patricia Keenan)
Subject: Re: pistons schedule off net ?
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:51:29 GMT

bidlack@eecs.umich.edu (Clint Bidlack) writes:



>Looking to get pistons schedule (and others) off net. Anyone know where
>I may get such stuff. Also, are team/player stats located at some ftp site?

I'm not positive so don't hold me to it but I *think* that there is atleast a place for schedules at ftp wuarchive.wustl.edu I don't know if they have been updated. And the only player stats I know of are the fantasy ones, and I can't remember for sure exactly where they are. If you look around wuarchive I think you'll find both of these, but again I'm not sure if the schedules are there.


>Thanks in advance. Please reply via email.

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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: rodman/warriors
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:05:00 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Nov23.133652.3313@nic.csu.net> jtan@marge.sfsu.edu (Jeffrey U. Tan) writes:
>5.	I heard on the news that the Warriors signed Ed Neally. Is this  
>the same guy from Phoenix/Chicago? If it is, why on earth would Nelson do  
>that??!??

They needed a warm body due to injury and it came down to Nealy or Kurt
Rambis. I cannot believe they chose Nealy, Rambis is the only player
from Cupertino High School(my old school) to play in the NBA and it would
have been a nice story to pick him up for 10 days. Oh well.





Russ Smith
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From: paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode)
Subject: Re: San antonio
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:12:38 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Keywords: Warriors
Summary: Spurs' woes

In article <1992Nov16.003458.9449@muddcs.claremont.edu>, byau@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ben Yau) writes:
> 
> anyone want to share with us why san antonio is getting off to such an awful 
> start?  Vinnie can't be that much of a team leader. 
> 
> and how is Lloyd looking?  i am really interested to see/hear how he is doing
> this season.
> 

The Spurs are 1-4 to start the season, including 1-2 at home. I don't
think that their poor start can be laid at the feet of Vinnie or any
other one person, save possibly Red McCombs. Anyway, here are the
key factors as I see them:

1. Injuries. Terry Cummings and probably Willie Anderson are out for
   the season. Del Negro and Carr have also already missed a couple 
   of games.

2. Personnel turnover. Only Robinson, Elliott, Carr, and Green return
   from last year's club. Ever since Robinson's arrival, the Spurs 
   have been unable to put together any semblance of continuity, and
   it has caught up with them the last two years. Note that with Rod
   Strickland gone and Cummings and Anderson injured, the Spurs return
   only two starters from what -- in spite of the constant turnover 
   on the bench -- had been their regular starting five for three years.

3. Depth. All of the players they acquired to come off the bench --
   Carr, Ellis, and Smith -- have been pressed into starting jobs.
   The bench as a result has no scoring punch.

4. Point guard. Vinnie Del Negro may well help this team, but it's
   hard to see him doing it as starting point guard. The Spurs appear
   to agree with me: Reports from San Antonio indicate that they 
   attempted to acquire Mookie Blaylock for a future draft pick
   (the Nets wanted a player) and that they continue to maneuver
   for a point guard. At any rate, they are by all accounts susceptible
   to the press (the full-court variety).

5. Coaching. This is harder to quantify, but Tark is by his own admission
   having to adjust to NBA tactics. On the upside, the players all
   agree that he is great to play for.

Let's face it: This club emerged from Robinson's rookie year poised
to be the dominant power in the Western Conference. Rather than 
establish continuity across personnel, management tinkered incessantly
with the bench and made a number of ill-advised moves (Brickowski
for Pressey, #1 draft pick that became Stanley Roberts for Green,
and releasing Reggie Williams, in particular). While many of these
happened at Larry Brown's instigation, you still have to lay ultimate
responsibility in the front office. 

The club admittedly had some bad luck with David Wingate and Vernon Maxwell,
and their position regarding Rod Strickland was understandable. Carr
turned out to be a nice acquisition, and Lloyd Daniels may help the 
team as well. Still, a little more willingness to let the grapes
ferment may have served them better.

Paul
From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Hot Plate Williams
Date: 20 Nov 92 11:59:02 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Nov19.210525.6647@babbage.ece.uc.edu>, rbd@flash.ece.uc.edu (Bob
by Davis) writes:
>In article <6986@dove.nist.gov> hira@cme.nist.gov writes:
>>I did get to see Fatso Williams who's getting lots of minutes for the Clips.
>>Fatso has been playing center because Stanley Roberts is so out of shape...
>
>Ron, keep up the great work!  Fatso playing because someone ELSE is out of
>shape is the funniest thing I've heard in weeks!  Truth really is stranger
>than fiction sometimes, isn't it?
>
>Bob "The Glide" Davis
>
First of all a few John HOT LUNCH Williams Jokes:
What was Hot Lunch's best sport in college?
    Buffet
Who is Hot Lunch's best friend?
    Big Boy
What is forgotten is that inside of Hot Lunch there is a physically fit,
excellent basketball player waiting to get out.  How do I know, Because I saw
Hot Lunch eat an physically fit excellent basketball player a couple days ago,
and Im sure he wants out of Moby John (The Great Black Whale) (Hot Lunch)
Williams.
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 12:51:06 -0500 
From: Myung Joon Choi <mc83+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Poll......

Here are my humble first and second team picks for the 92-93 NBA season:

First Team:
G- John Stockton
G- Michael Jordan
F- Charles Barkley
F- Larry Johnson
C- Shaquille O'Neill

Second Team:
G- Clyde Drexler
G- Drazen Petrovic
F- Scottie Pippen
F- Shawn Kemp
C- David Robinson

M.V.P.- Charles Barkley
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From: raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka)
Subject: Re: Trade rumor:Benjamin for Rodman
Keywords: Seattle, Benjamin, Rodman
Reply-To: raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 00:03:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.200226.10498@leland.Stanford.EDU> terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:
> Here's the latest trade rumor concerning the Sonics.
> 
> Seattle is supposed to be offering center Benoit Benjamin to Detroit for
> Dennis Rodman.  Supposedly, coach Karl has already had several run ins with
> Big Ben (shades of J.B. Carroll) and does not think Benjamin fits the
> up-tempo Sonics style.  Meanwhile, Rodman's unhappiness with the Pistons
> is well-known.
> 
> Benjamin would fit in well with the Pistons half-court game and is certainly
> an improvement over Polynice.

Well, considering all the other Rodman rumors, this one isn't so hot

lets see ... Charlotte = JR Reid and Johnny Newman
             Sacramento = Wayman Tisdale
             LA Lakers = Sam Perkins
             Miami = Grant Long
             Clippers = Loy Vaught 

chris
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From: khansen@staff.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: NOTES: Wolves vs Nuggets (11/21)
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 05:27:10 GMT

Minnesota falls to its fourth straight loss in a 131-118 loss to Denver on
Saturday night.  The Wolves were 'lay-upped to death' by the Nuggets who shot
55 percent in the first half and scored 77 points (a Wolves record for points
scored against in the first half).  Denver was led in scoring by Todd Lichti
with 24 and Chris Jackson with 23.  Mutombo had a double-double with 17 points
and 11 boards.  Minnesota was led in scoring by Christian Laettner with 23 and
Michael Williams with 21.

Both teams shot 51 free throws (the 51 by Minnesota was a team record).  Thurl
Bailey set the team record for consecutive free throws at 33.  Bailey missed
a technical foul shot but has hit 32 of 33 shots this year.

Upcoming Wolves games:

Wednesday Nov 25 vs New York
Friday Nov 27 at Washington
Saturday Nov 28 vs Detroit

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Wolves Trade
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:10:06 GMT

khansen@staff.tc.umn.edu () writes:

>The Minnesota Timberwolves traded reserve guard/forward Gerald Glass and 
>reserve forward Mark Randall to the Detroit Pistons for guard Lance Blanks and
>former Timberwolve Brad Sellers.  As a condition of the trade, the Timberwolves
>also received the Piston's second round draft pick in the year 2000.

	** YAWN **

	Jazzy J

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From: glosson@mdtf12.fnal.gov (Rich Glosson)
Subject: Re: Racism? (Re: Shaq should have been on the Olympic Team...)
Organization: Fermilab, Batavia, IL
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:36:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.135441.1926@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:

   Last year Barkley said, "the only reason Dave Poppen made the team
   (Sixers) is because he's white."  I don't think it was so much a
   racist opinion as it was a knock on Poppen.  Let's face it, the guy
   was a stiff.  But he didn't make the Sixers because of his skin color.
   It had more to do with his size (7').  His statement this year seemed
   to be more of a dig at the media for giving him such a rough time for
   last year's quote.

   And comparing Charles to David Duke is ridiculous.  In case you aren't
   aware of it, Charles' wife is white.

   Joe Dakes


Again, there is a double standard!  If a white person made the same comment
about a black person, it would/should be labeled a racist statement.  The
fact that his statement might be right doesn't justify it any more than a
white saying that black people can't play tennis.
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From: raghu@nairobi.eecs.umich.edu (Raghu Mani)
Subject: Re: Why Golden State will be the next dynasty.
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:41:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.191136.9419@tc.fluke.COM>, tron@tc.fluke.COM (Peter Barbee) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov19.030621.25369@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
|> 
|> So with Alexander, Gatling, a decent center, _and_ Owens GS would have
|> enough big people to have great flexibility at the 4 and 5 spots (and
|> great flexibility at 3 as well, I think Owens is really a more natural
|> 3 spot).  This center need not be in the Ewing, Robinson, Olajawan (sp?),
|> Daugherty, O'Neal class.  Someone in the Cartwright, Seikaly, Benjamin
|> class would do just fine.  Even Divac would be better than a part time
|> Lister and a way too small Hill.
|> 
|> Peter B

I recall reading on rsbp a few months ago that Don Nelson was interested 
in making a deal for Felton Spencer - he might be just what Golden State
need - someone who can play defense and rebound.

I think people like Divac or Benjamin might be underachievers but they 
are very talented and it would take a lot more to get one of them than 
Golden State has to offer.

Raghu
From: Stephen.Lee@f166.n363.z1.fidonet.org (Stephen Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Shaq: 2nd coming of Jordan?
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 12:18:07 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:363/166

 > How long
 > before he starts complainning, "Get me some talent?!" ;)  Of

    well, being a lifelong magic fan (from orlando), if he was saying that from day one, he wouldn't be wrong.  the only players worth a darn are dennis scott and nick anderson.  if we get to the playoffs, then we no more deserve it than the bulls did on the strength of michael jordan alone.  i've seen us hang on to the most worthless players in basketball (jerry reynolds, terry catledge, brian williams, to name but 3), while every other expansions has jettisoned their original team, and i wanna scream.

 > course it's
 > early, and he hasn't faced many great Centers yet.  But, if he

  well, after meeting patrick ewing, and outperforming him in their first match-up, i have no worries about shaq vs. hakeem or robinson. the only thing i would worry about is the-rest-of-the-team vs ANYONE!!



 > continues
 > putting up 29pts/19rebs or so a game, Orlando will explode into
 > the playoffs
 > THIS YEAR!  Amazing.

   no way.  NO WAY.  i'm a HUGE fan, but i think that the only thing that keeps the magic out of the play-offs is the other 9 albatrosses on the team.

                                stephen lee
                                magic fanatic

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From: sikorski@news.miami.edu (Richard Sikorski)
Subject: RUMOR mia Heat - Long,Shaw for Rodman?!
Organization: R.S.M.A.S.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 18:46:49 GMT

Despite all previous denials by the Heat, including the claim that Grant
Long was assured on signing that he would not be traded, another trade
RUMOR is being reported by Shaun Powell (Miami Herald). In Powell's
words:

A deal that could send Detroit forward Dennis Rodman to the Heat is
pending the unanimous approval of the Pistons front office, which seems
undecided... The Heat 1st denied that a possible deal existed, then
refused comment. The Heat have offerred Grant Long and Brian Shaw. The
trade has the blessing of several Piston players, particularly Isiah
Thomas, the team captain who is consulted for all potential deals. And
Pistons Coach Ron Rothstein, formaerly of the Heat, has a strong desire
to trade for Long. However, not everyone in the Pistons hierarchy
believes Miami is offering enough. 

The Pistons suspended Rodman without pay last Friday, for his
"lackluster" interest in playing for Detroit. Nonetheless, 'Theres
only a dozen guys in the league who you dont lose interest in,' says Heat
managing partner Lewis Cunningham. 'Hes one of them.' Schaffel and
partner Billy Cunningham have asked ex-Piston John Salley for a
character reference for Rodman. However, a pretty clear hint that a deal
isn't close is the fact that Miami hasnt met with Rodman, a Heat
standard before any deals. Long is so suspicious of a trade that he
refuses to move his family from Detroit to Miami until after the
February trading deadline. During his contract negotiations Long said he
received assurances that he wouldn't be traded. This is news to
Schaffel, "There's a possibility that every guy on this team can be
traded at any point in time."



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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:53:55 -0500 
From: Myung Joon Choi <mc83+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Who is Tom Gugliotta (Bullets)
	<jgould-171192143140@macd316.mv.us.adobe.com>
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In article<jgould-171192143140@macd316.mv.us.adobe.com> you write:

> was 104, njn 111   15nov92
> 
>was ( 1- 5)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej
ff  pts
>gugliotta,tom     42   9  12   1  1   1  2   4 15   3  4  2  6  2  0  0
 0   20
 
>Howdy,
 
>Where did this guy come from? How many years in the league? What position?
 
>Thanx Jim

Jim, I guess you're not really a big basketball fan.  Tom Gugliotta,
"Gugs", was drafted by the Washington Bullets this year with the sixth
overall pick in the NBA draft.  He spent four years at North Carolina
State (he was even a walk-on his freshman year), improving each year. 
He can play either forward position.
With the Bullets sad lack of talent, he has easily stepped into the
starting lineup replacing the still injured Bernard King and last year's
starter, Larry Stewart.  He's played well so far and looks like he's a
shoo-in for first-team All Rookie team this year.

                                                            me