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From: tsudik@pollux.usc.edu (Gene Tsudik)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Canaries in February?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 00:41:31 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

Gentlefolk:

I'm trying to gather some info on Canary islands in the winter.
What I have in mind is mid- to late February. 
The tourist brochures claim that both air and water temperatures 
linger around 20-22 Celsius. I wonder is there is any truth to this?
What's the weather like in general at that time of the year?

Lanzarotte (spelling?) is the place that looks mildly attractive but I'm 
open to other suggestions, e.g., Tenerife or Gran Canaria. 

Any other details about Canaries would be much appreciated.
Snorkling any good? Mountain biking? Hiking? Running? (I figure that 
windsurfing must be great as they get lotsa wind.) Any experiences
with small kids (we've got a two-year-old)? 

Also, rumor has it that Canaries are overrun with Germans in the winter
sorta like Americans swarm the Carribean. I've no problem with that
other than, well, I'd really like to stay at a place with some 
multinational flavor. Any comments?


Thanks a lot,
Gene

-------------------------
screw all disclaimers...

-- 
----------------------
Gene Tsudik, Member FDIC
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: eminnoor@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Elango S Minnoor)
Subject: HELP! NEED INFO ON CAR RENTAL
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:30:05 GMT

Hi netters

I am planning to rent a car to travel from Iowa City/chicago to Newyork this
christmas break.  Please let me know of any best deal.  I remember somebody
posting in the net, saying that there is a rental agency in chicago,charging
$68 per week.  Could someone help me giving me the information about the best
deals, PLEASE.

THANKS A LOT

ELANGO     (elangominnoor@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu)  
From: uppal@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Sanjay Uppal)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:06:43 GMT
Subject: Frequent Flyer Privilege levels ?
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: rec.travel

I am looking for a source of information on frequent flyer
privilege levels. These are often classified as "Platinum",
"Gold" and "Preferred" frequent flyer levels.

Email is fine and I can summarize to the net if there is
sufficient interest. Here is one data point to begin with:

Airline		Level		Requirement	Benefits
-------		-----		-----------	--------
Northwest	Preferred	35K actual mi	Preboarding,
				or 50K total	1st class check-in,
				miles		first class upgrades,
						travel promos,
						25% Bonus miles.

Sanjay Uppal <uppal> 
Hewlett-Packard
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Overcoming jet lag
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:05:08 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <Bz97yx.Frn@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com **I** (Peter Nelson) wrote:
>
>  This is closer to my experience, that playing around with the ratio
                                    ^^^^
   s.b. "than".
>  of protein and carbs (what's the theory behind that anyway?)

>  My wife and I try to put ourselves on the target-location's time
>  before we leave.  This means adjusting our sleeping and meals
>  schedule to where we're going several days ahead of time.  It
>  helps to keep a clock handy set to the target time-zone.  We also
>  try, if possible, to adjust our exposure to light to match the 
>  target time-zone.  We're leaving for Sunday this weekend so we'll
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  start our adjustments at the end of this week.

  It's the latest thing for sophisticated travelers: time-machine travel!

  But seriously, folks, I must already be jet-jagged!   It *should*
  say, "We're leaving for Tahiti on Sunday".   
                                               
>---peter


Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: "reg lafontaine" <reg.lafontaine@canrem.com>
Subject: anyone hear of "promo
Reply-To: "reg lafontaine" <reg.lafontaine@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 19 Dec 92 09:38:47 EST


DA>I just got a terrific offer from this company (based in Florida) called
DA>Promotional Travel.

DA>It includes 4 days in Orlando and 2 days at Daytona Beach for $429 US
DA>for 2 adults and 2 children.  It includes hotel and breakfast only.

That's not much of a deal and it depends on where you are staying. 
You are looking at approximately $85 a night.  Unless they are
putting you up inside the grounds at Disney, and directly on the 
beach at Daytona, I'd run -away-  from a deal like that.   I'd
also be very careful about "offers" coming out of Florida.
---
  DeLuxe 1.1 #4756  The best defense against logic is stupidity.
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World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: rbergami@tab.ieee.org (Ronald Bergamini)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: First Cruise, Help!!
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:45:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: IEEE Service Center, Piscataway, NJ
Originator: rbergami@tab.ieee.org

My wife and I are planning a cruise to the caribbean, in the spring.
I have brochures on the following cruise lines, Royal Caribbean, Holland,
Celebrity, Fantasy and Leeward.  This is our first cruise, so we would
appreciate hearing from anyone with personal experiences, good or bad, with
regard to these cruise lines, the ships and the ports of call, particularly
Aruba, Barbados, Antigua and Curacao.

Thanks Ron
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Transit visa for Moscow ? (and other questions)
From: OWEN@vms.bgu.ac.il (David Owen)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 01:01:38 GMT
Organization: Ben-Gurion University of the Negev Beer-Sheva Israel, BGU
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.13

In <1fusr9INNa00@agate.berkeley.edu> rege@bongo.Berkeley.EDU writes:

>
> Due to various complications (read as "didn't get my act together in time") I
> will be flying to Bombay from London via Moscow on Aeroflot. Unfortunately,
> my flight involves a 20 hour layover in Moscow. Putting the best face
> on it, I've decided to venture out into Moscow during that period. My
> questions are :
>
> 1. How does one go about getting a transit visa for Moscow (I have Indian
> citizenship) ? I called the Russian Consulate in SFO but all the recorded
> message advised was that I get my visa through a travel agent.
>
> 2. Is the airport anywhere close to the city ? Am I being foolish in
> venturing out (20 hrs is a bloody long time to spend in the transit lounge) ?
>
> If I do venture out, what should/could I go see at make it back to the
> airport ? Also what about transportation to and from the airport ? Will
> there be hassles ? (Why am I not going to a bookstore to look up this info
> in a travel guide ...)
>
> Thanks a lot!
> Ashu Rege

Try to contact the Russian Youth Hostel in California, tel. 310-379-4316
FAX 310-379-8420, or in Finland   +358-0-664452. or
St. Petersburg +7-812-277-0569 FAX +7-812-277-5102.

They can help with Visas. (You probably need one based on a place to stay,
Hotel, which they can show.).

Also, ask at the Russian Embassy for a transit visa. I got one for one day only
but it is for FREE!. Try that.

) I got it in Finland and I am from Israel).



Shlomo Zelkine,         E-mail:
3 Eilat St.
Afridar,                owen@bguvms.bgu.ac.il
Ashkelon,
Israel 78443            Shlomo.Zelkine@f4.n401.z2.fidonet.org

07-710286               zelkine@ilnet.net
From: cliff@hal.com (Cliff Neighbors)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Thailand recommendations ?
Summary: info sought on thai travel
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:56:55 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel
Organization: HaL
NNTP-Posting-Host: gax.hal.com
Originator: cliff@gax

I'm going to Thailand in January and am interested in 
any useful suggestions/tips/etc.  Fun excursions, wild adventures,
special places, good references, pitfalls, places to avoid
and so forth will be appreciated.

thanks,
	-cn-

---
cliff neighbors
cliff@hal.com
408-379-7000 x1086
---
From: yan-dicky@cs.yale.edu (Dicky Yan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Italian railways--is 1st class worth it?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 16:46:23 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: world
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bellutta@ohsu.EDU (Paolo Bellutta) writes:
>In article <1gm3b2INNh3n@TIGER.ZOO.CS.YALE.EDU> yan-dicky@cs.yale.edu (Dicky
>Yan) writes:
>> I mean, is the hinted time supposed to differ from the actual time for
>> as much as one hour? If no, the trians I took were seriously late. If yes,
>> the "hint" is meaningless.
>
>FFSS (the italian rail "service") does not consider delays of 15 minutes
>or less as being "late".  Delays of 30-45 minutes are common in medium
>range trains.  60-120-180 minutes (they always specify delays in minutes)
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>are not uncommon.  I once had the opportunity to hear the announcement
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>of a "unlimited" delay.  Whan I asked what that meant, I was told that
>the train was stuck at about 300 Km, and that there were no indications
>on when the train could leave.
>
>--
>La miglior arma inventata dall'uomo e' stata la parola
> _   /|  | Paolo Bellutta ---------- bellutta@ohsu.edu
> \'o.O'  | B.I.C.C - Oregon Health Sciences University
> =(_o_)= | 3181 SW Sam Jackson Park Rd. - Portland, OR
>    U    | tel: (503) 494 4804 --- fax: (503) 494 4551

Well, all that I was trying to do in my first post was to share with the netters
my experience with Italian railways (> 1 hour late). 

Then in your last post, you said I have interpreted the timetable wrong.

Now, what you said illustrated my point. (I guess most people on this
planet consider 60-120-180 minutes late as "late".) Anyway, I consider my
point that Italian railways can be > 1 hour late made. That is all that
I want to share with other netters. I just do not want others to go
through what I have gone thru. (i.e. I am not interested in arguing with
you the definition of "late", for that is not my aim.) From what you said,
it seems like the "hint" is really meaningless.  Beware, netters, when
you go to Italy. Try to take direct trains and travel between the major
cities. 

Dicky Yan.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: staggers@cup.hp.com (Ken Staggers)
Subject: Re: Visa for Hong Kong and China
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 01:17:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.1]

Dicky Yan (yan-dicky@cs.yale.edu) wrote:
: alie@csl.dl.nec.com (Andrew Lie) wrote:

:>My SO is planning to take a vacation to Hong Kong and then China at the end of
:>January.
:>Does anyone know whether a tourist visa is required (she carries US passport)?

: Hong Kong Consulate does not exist at all. Hong Kong is a British colony; it 
: is not a country. I guess you should check the visa question with the British
: Embassy nearest to you. That is a question I also want to know. I would
: expect you need to apply for a visa or some kind of permission,
: since HK nationals need to have a visa to come into the US. 

I did not need a visa when I went from Guangzhou to Hong Kong, but I
did need a visa to get from Tokyo to Beijing.  I had a choice of getting
one in Chicago (didnt have time to make it downtown) or in New York (they
do same day, but not if you arrive at 2:00pm :).  So I got it in Tokyo
at the Chinese embassy.  No problem.

But I was placed under extra interrogation at Narita and at Honolulu 
International because, as the security person politely told me, I went
to Hong Kong (I think I have clean cut looks :)

--Ken
From: dkw00@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: >>> Info needed: JFK/LaGurdia to NYC <<<
Date: 18 Dec 92 08:30:53 GMT
Reply-To: dkw00@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com ()
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Hi,

Is there a shuttle from JFK Airport to LaGurdia Aiport?
If yes, how much is a one-way trip?

What is the best/reasonable price method to get to Time Square area
from both JFK and LaGurdia?

Please reply to : dkw00@ruts.ccc.amdahl.com

Thanks in advance for you help.

David
Xref: sparky rec.travel:16606 rec.travel.air:6151
From: musick@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Ron Musick)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air
Subject: Travel to Mainland China
Date: 14 Dec 1992 06:01:14 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: hera.berkeley.edu

My husband and I hope to travel to Mainland China next summer.  My
husband would like to stay for the whole summer (~3 months) to learn
the Chinese language and culture better, but I will only be able to
muster about a month off from work.  My husband plans to stay with the
brother of a friend in Beijing that goes to UC-Berkeley with him.

What price would be a "good" price for tickets to Beijing?   Quotes from
US carriers are pretty scary.  Are there any bucket or specialized travel
agencies that anyone can recommend?  An open return for my husband would
be desired, though a fixed return for me is fine.  
In my case (since I'm going for a month), it seems like the package tours,
which INCLUDE airfare, are CHEAPER than just buying a rt. ticket.  Someone
else had posted an article on this, though I say no replies as to why this
is so.  Could I take one of these tours to save airfare $$, but return a
few weeks later (after the tour)?   Also, someone had suggested going through 
Hong Kong as "safer".  Is this necessary/desirable?

I've also heard that things are getting pretty expensive in China these days
(inflation, FEC, and all).  What prices can we expect to pay for the
basic necessities and for the sightseeing things?  Are prices generally
more expensive in the summer?  Are keen bartering skills a must (bargain or
be gauged)?  I've tried to keep a log of past China postings, but my files 
got wiped out.  I'll look into the tour guides (Lonely Planet, etc.), but 
I thought I'd ask on the net for pricing, past experiences, travel tips, etc.
anyway.

Thanks!

Emy Tan Musick
musick@attica.berkeley.edu

P.S.  My husband wants to go to China after school is out, end of May/early
June.  Is that time of arrival in Beijing a problem? (him being a student,
with no real itinerary for his 3 month stay in China.  I'm thinking of all
the past student protests & stuff).  Also, will the fact that my husband
is Caucasian & I'm Asian cause problems in China?  I would hope not, but we
would be touring all around China.
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.sport.golf
From: tfalk@decoy.uucp (25442-falk)
Subject: Update on two Kauai hotels
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 17:48:14 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel


FYI,
The December issue of Golf Magazine had an update about the Princeville
Hotel and the Westin Kauai lagoons.  The latest word (according to them) is
that Kauai Lagoons will not be re-opening until April and the Princeville
Hotel, which just re-opened recently after a mega-million dollar renovation
will not be re-opening until sometime in June.  In both cases, the
golf courses survived reasonably well.

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: edconchg@athena.mit.edu (Edcon Chang)
Subject: Re: Italian railways--is 1st class worth it?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:11:05 GMT

I have taken 2nd class trains from Florence to Rome, from Rome 
Naples, and from Naples to Milan.  They were all air-
conditioned, and rather comfortable.  I guess if you 
travel on main routes like those above, it is alright to
travel 2nd class.  The only disadvantage I see in travelling
2nd class in Italy is the crowdiness during peak travel
seasons (e.g. summer months).  Even during the summer, I 
survived. Hey, for me the price difference is incentive
enough for me to "suffer" a little.

Edcon Chang
MIT
Cambridge, MA
USA
From: yan-dicky@cs.yale.edu (Dicky Yan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Tourist Guide
Date: 20 Dec 1992 06:12:11 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.zoo.cs.yale.edu

Do you usually read or bring with you a tourist guide/book when you travel
(for pleasure)? If yes, which do you find useful or good?

e.g.
Frommer's
Fordor (sp?)
Belitz
Let's Go [USA. Europe ... etc.]
Mitchelin (sp?)
AAA Guide Books.

Any opnion? e.g.
Do you find the info provided up to date? (Assuming you are using the
most recent copy)
Are the maps easy to read?
How do you find the suggested Accommodation, Restaurants?
And the suggested itenery? Day tours etc.
Too much details? Too little info? etc.
Which would you recommend?

Dicky.
From: bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Tourist Guide
Date: 20 Dec 92 14:29:51 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1h1kebINN3jo@DOLPHIN.ZOO.CS.YALE.EDU> yan-dicky@cs.yale.edu (Dicky Yan) writes:
>Do you usually read or bring with you a tourist guide/book when you travel
>(for pleasure)? If yes, which do you find useful or good?
>
Michelin Green Guide for background, history, suggested intineraries.
Let's Go for accomodations, restaurants (I travel cheap).

Because Let's Go is usually a big heavy book, I rip out the sections I'm
interested in and staple them together.  Face it, the next time you go, it
will probably be out of date anyway.

I was fascinated to learn that early copies of the Travels of Sir John
Mandeville, a medieval authority on travel to the Holy Land, usually have
sections missing, presumably because medieval travellers did the same
thing I do.

Barbara Vaughan
From: Stefan.M.Gorsch@dartmouth.edu (Stefan M. Gorsch)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Belize
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:09:20 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

Thinking about heading someplace warm for mud season here in New
Hampshire. Anyone been to Belize and care to comment? Specifically, is
there much to do (hiking?) or see aside from the beaches? How receptive
and friendly are people there and how affordable is it? How easy and/or
worthwhile would it be to cross the border to Mexico or Guatamala?

THanks

stefan.m.gorsch@dartmouth.edu
From: tjb@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Prague - advice
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:29:19 GMT
Organization: NIST

in response to question:
Do not go to a hotel - they are quite expensive but
not very good (except the realy top price)
It is best to go to a room with some family, it is
available, although
better do it through some office etc.
have fun - it is a wonderful city.
BARAK@BGUEE
Dov Barak, BG University, EE Dept. Beer Sheva, ISRAEL.  BARAK@BGUEE, barak@ee.bgu.ac.il
From: bellutta@ohsu.EDU (Paolo Bellutta)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Italian railways--is 1st class worth it?
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:10:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohsu.1992Dec16.201004.17842
Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University

In article <1gm3b2INNh3n@TIGER.ZOO.CS.YALE.EDU> yan-dicky@cs.yale.edu (Dicky  
Yan) writes:
> I mean, is the hinted time supposed to differ from the actual time for
> as much as one hour? If no, the trians I took were seriously late. If yes,
> the "hint" is meaningless.                

FFSS (the italian rail "service") does not consider delays of 15 minutes 
or less as being "late".  Delays of 30-45 minutes are common in medium
range trains.  60-120-180 minutes (they always specify delays in minutes)
are not uncommon.  I once had the opportunity to hear the announcement
of a "unlimited" delay.  Whan I asked what that meant, I was told that
the train was stuck at about 300 Km, and that there were no indications
on when the train could leave.

--
La miglior arma inventata dall'uomo e' stata la parola
 _   /|  | Paolo Bellutta ---------- bellutta@ohsu.edu
 \'o.O'  | B.I.C.C - Oregon Health Sciences University
 =(_o_)= | 3181 SW Sam Jackson Park Rd. - Portland, OR
    U    | tel: (503) 494 4804 --- fax: (503) 494 4551
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air
From: nmrdb@vms.macc.wisc.edu (BEVERLY SEAVEY)
Subject: Re: Travel to Mainland China
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 14 DEC 92 14:37:07    

In article <1gh7vaINNjps@agate.berkeley.edu>, musick@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Ron Musick) writes...

Also, will the fact that my husband
>is Caucasian & I'm Asian cause problems in China?  I would hope not, but we
>would be touring all around China.

 The only "problems" that my husband (he's Chinese) and I ( Caucasian) had
was 1)hotel clerks thinking he was a guide and telling him to let the
guests register themselves, and 2) very nosy CITS guides asking about
our marriage.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: R14758@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Ruel Torres)
Subject: Cancun or Puerto Vallarta
Organization: Motorola
Date: 15 Dec 1992 12:24:35 MST

I'm deciding between Cancun or Puerto Vallarta for a honeymoon on the
second week of January.  Any opinions on either one?  I also plan to
stay in a Hyatt property.  Any info on Hyatts at these locations will
be greatly appreciated.

Thank you very much.   - Rowie
From: yan-dicky@cs.yale.edu (Dicky Yan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: American Express
Date: 18 Dec 1992 18:58:31 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: leopard.zoo.cs.yale.edu

abrusci@bobcat.lmc.edu (Mary Ann Abrusci) writes:
>I will be going to London after Christmas for two weeks.  Can anyone tell me
>what kind of luck I will have with an American Express card?
>
>Thanks,
>MaryAnn

I lived in London between 1983-89. I think the most common credit card in 
Britain is the Access card; that includes the Euro card and the Master Card.
(i.e. it can be used as an MC card in the US or as a Euro Card in Europe).
It was the most commonly accepted credit card. Second to that was the VISA
card. But I have come acorss a few cases where some shops accept only VISA
card, although that was  not common. The American Express? I think it is
the least accepted. I am sure most major hotels will accept it and also
in a lot of high class restaurants and very big department stores. But on
the street, not so many stores accept Amex. So, assuming MC can be used
at stores that accept Access, you best bet is to bring an MC, if you have one,
or a Visa, and then an A.E.

Also, if you are a tourist, and you are going to spend quite some money
there (say >70 pounds sterling), you will be able to claim back the V.A.T. (tax)
they charge you. The basic procedure is after you have bought the goods,
get a tax claim form from the people who sell the goods to you and ask them
to fill it in for you.  You have to show them your non-UK passport.
Then when you leave UK for home or somewhere else,
say you are at Gatwick Airport or Heathrow, you have to go to a certain 
place to show that you have the items with you (i.e. you are really taking
it away from the UK). This "place" changed during my years there. Sometimes
I found it inside the restricted area and sometimes outside. If it is outside
the restricted area, you can show the stuff to them and then put it back into
your suitcase before checking it in. (You don't want to carry the 12 pairs of
shoes onto the plane, do you?) Ask at the check-in counter what is the best
thing to do. They will help you. However, that is not the end of the story:

 * usually, only relatively big stores will do it for you
   (e.g Harrods, Selfridges etc. or the smaller stores in Knightdbridge)
   but there is no harm asking. My friend go the VAT refund from the
   Addidas store in Totenham Court Road. 


 * It has happend to my friend  before that the shop never mailed him
   the money. He wrote to the inland revenue and the store sent the money
   back promptly. (I remember I had an option of having a cheque or have
   the money going back into my credit card.) Big stores like Harrods or
   Slefridges are generally very good at these things, they will not
   cheat you.

 * Generally, stores, e.g. Harrods and Selfridges, will not do it for you unless
   you buy more than a certain amount of goods (> x pounds sterling) all
   together. 


Hope that saves you a few bucks.
 
Dicky.
P.S. Oh, enjoy the sale. 

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