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From: fbruno@julio.sanders.lockheed.com (Frank Bruno)
Subject: CD ROM for SB Pro
Reply-To: fbruno@ncavax.decnet.lockheed.com
Organization: Lockheed Sanders, Inc
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 14:14:51 GMT

Quick Question,
  	Does anyone out there have any information on the CD ROM for the SB Pro.
I have the SB Pro and a SCSI card, so I don't know which way to go. should I
get A SCSI CD ROM or SB CD ROM? What would be more cost effective, or work
better?
						Thanks,
						-Frank Bruno
						fbruno@ncavax.decnet.lockheed.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: jms20@po.CWRU.Edu (John M. Sully)
Subject: PAS-16 Pocket Recorder problem
Reply-To: jms20@po.CWRU.Edu (John M. Sully)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 18:05:38 GMT


Last night, I tried to record a 44kHz 16-bit stereo .wav file
using the pocket recorder program (under Win 3.1).  It played
back fine under windows, but when I tried to play it using
Playfile, the speed was wrong (it was too fast...).   

Any ideas what the problem is?

John
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From: jsh@alice.att.com (Juergen Schroeter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: PAS-16: left channel midi playback distorted
Keywords: Under DOS & WIN; Pro-Mixer SYNTH slider makes scratching sound
Date: 23 Jul 92 10:18:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23287
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ

Hi,

I am playing for a month now with the PAS-16 from MediaVision and like the
card very much.  However, after sorting through lots of *.mod files (with
tbpro), I ran into a problem that popped up when I started to sort some
midi files.

Midi playback worked fine originally.  Now, under Win3.1 media player,
and under DOS running "spectrum", the left channel sounds center clipped
(i.e., heavily distorted; right channel is fine).  Also, when moving the
SYNTH slider (the leftmost) in PRO-MIXER under Windows, even without any
file playing, I hear loud scratching noises similar to a dirty pot.  This
is also only on the left channel.

My best guess is that something in the FM-SYNTH part of the card blew.  What
is the electronic equivalent of a cleanser for dirty pots?  :-)  Can't
be a software/hardware configuration problem since the right channel works
for Midi, and Windows still plays "TADA" just fine on both channels (*.wav
files).

More seriously, did anyone have the same problem and found a solution?
I guess I'll find out what "1-year limited warranty" really means.

Thanx.

Juergen, jsh@alice.att.com
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From: tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca (Tarun Kripalani)
Subject: Re: PAS-16 availability
Organization: Dept. Of Psychology,  Queen's University,  Kingston
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:03:05 GMT

In article <BrsxqC.KxI@knot.ccs.queensu.ca>, tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca (Tarun Kripalani) writes:
|> In article <SJE.92Jul22104101@xylos.ma30.bull.com>, sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com (Steven J. Edwards) writes:
|> |> Just a brief note about the availability of the Pro Audio Spectrum 16:
|> |> I ordered mine about two weeks ago, and a call this morning indicated
|> |> that it will probably be at least another two weeks until new
|> |> shipments from Media Vision arrive.
|> |> 
|> |> So, it definitely is a popular card.
|> |> 
|> |> So, don't hold your breath.
|> |> 
|> |> And I would guess that paying extra for overnight delivery is not
|> |> going to help very much.
|> |> 
|> |> I wonder how long it will be until various soundcard and software
|> |> producers stop saying "SB compatible" and start saying "PAS
|> |> compatible" instead.
|> |> 
|> |>  [The above opinions expressed are my own; not necessarily held by others.]
|> |>       == Steven J. Edwards           Bull HN Information Systems Inc. ==
|> |>       == (508) 294-3484              300 Concord Road         MS 820A ==
|> |>       == sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com     Billerica, MA 01821          USA ==
|> |> "That Government which Governs the Least, Governs Best." -- Thomas Jefferson
|> 
|> I spoke to a couple of companies, Upgrades International and Telemart, last Friday
|> the 17th of July and both of them told me that they had the PAS-16 in stock. UI quoted
|> me $232 while Telemart quoted me $216. I don't have the numbers in my hand but I will post
|> it when I have it.
|> -- 
|> 
|> Tarun Kripalani (of Wounded Knee and now Wounded Shoulder)
|> e-mail:   tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca
|> Dept. of Psychology, Queen's University,
|> Kingston, Ontario.

The Number for Upgrades International is 1-800-877-6652. Another company that also
stocks the PAS-16 is Quick Electronics which is affiliated with UI. Their number
is 1-800-800-5500 and their price is also $232.
-- 

Tarun Kripalani (of Wounded Knee and now Wounded Shoulder)
e-mail:   tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca
Dept. of Psychology, Queen's University,
Kingston, Ontario.
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From: sbray@lookout.uswest.com (Steven Bray)
Subject: Speech recognition - SB Pro ? 
Organization: US WEST Communications
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:23:48 GMT

Does anyone know of any freeware, shareware, or commercial programs
which allow speech recognition with the Sound Blaster Pro?  


Thanks.
Steve Bray
sbray@uswest.com
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From: lemieux@eecg.toronto.edu (Guy Gerard Lemieux)
Subject: Re: SoundBlaster Pro compatability with 486's
Distribution: usa
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:48:57 GMT

REC102@psuvm.psu.edu (BOB CONN) writes:

>There are problems with the SB (pro) and 486 50's.  There are patches

I have a problem with my i486-33 and non-pro V1.0 SoundBlaster.  Sometimes
it is only FM sound that starts sounding like an unsynchronized heavy
metal band, and sometimes its the digital sounds that sound like driving
down the highway at 100 mph with the windows down.

>There was also a utility to disable the internal cache on
>486 machines.  This, too, is supposed to fix the problem.

Oh, great!  Have you ever played WC II with the internal cache
disabled?  It's slower than my friends 386sx-16 with an 8-bit video
card!  Just the reason I bought a i486, I tell you.

I'm sorry, but I would never buy another Creative Labs product
until I hear that their quality is vastly improved.  When I bought
my SoundBlaster for $235, it worked fine in my i386DX-20.  It hasn't
worked properly in my i486-33 with much software--and I understand it
is partly the programmer's fault because some software DOES work.
However, it does not exclude CL from a selling a bug-free card.
Did you hear about how many problems they had with their MicroChannel
version?  They sold beta-boards to IBM employees as real cards, and
there were many problems.

I would much rather wait for "vapourware" stuff like the Gravis
Ultrasound, so that hopefully the hardware is better debugged, than
buy a beta-test board from Creative Labs.

Guy
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From: war1@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Ringo Wathelet)
Subject: How eazy is it, in C
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 06:10:48 GMT


Greetings to all in this newsgroup,
I have learned a great deal from this newsgroup and hope to be able to 
contribute to it in the future. I have two questions
which someone may be able to answer.
I do a lot of programming for speech processing in C, using Borland C++,
- how eazy is it to program sound cards, e.g PAS-16 or SB pro in C,
  e.g, getting access to the DMA, to the card, to record and playback
  within a C program. 
- I also have a Sony DAT PCM 2000 tape recorder, which I would like 
to connect to a PC, e.g 486. What do I need to do it, can those 
sound card help ? What I would like to do is to connect the DAT
to the PC and store the data (sound) I have into a file on the PC.

Thanks in advance,
 Ringo at    war1@ccadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au 


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From: hsiaoe@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Eric Hsiao)
Subject: Re: Please read if you have a PAS-16
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:19:36 GMT

I got mine the first week of June and don't have any noise coming out of the
left channel.  You may have a defective board, and might have to return it
to get a replacement.  Try E-mailing MediaVision at:
75300.2772@compuserve.com
                - Eric
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From: pat@tuhkelo.kau.vtt.fi (Pasi Antero Tervonen)
Subject: Re: FTP Sites in / near Germany...
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland, Machine Automation
	Laboratory
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 07:31:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul17.170509.983@cs.tu-berlin.de> kfiedler@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Karsten Fiedler) writes:

>   Hi, audio folks...
>
>   I wonder if anybody knows about sites in or near Germany which contain
>   soundcard stuff like MODplayers, Soundtracker Modules etc. I tried connections
>   to the States, but they were actually slow as s***. (Who wants to wait 5min for
>   ls to respond...).  
>
>   Longing 4 site infos, 
>
>
>
>			   KNIGHT
>
  Try these:

   nic.funet.fi
   garbo.uwasa.fi

 Those are in Finland.
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From: jon@chopin.udel.edu (Jon Deutsch)
Subject: Re: Gravis UltraSound Offer..
Organization: University of Delaware - What state is that in?
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:53:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.191206.22803@news.uakron.edu> tim@chaos.math.uakron.edu writes:
|>I just got off the phone with Gravis and here is more info on the 
|>ultrasound card:
|>
|>
|>	3)  Is is sound blaster compatable via a software driver.

Does this mean that I'll have to change drivers all the time, depending
on what software I'm using????????
This is how I take this, and this seems awefully inconvenient, seeing how
the PAS has hardware emulation.


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Subject: SB Pro v2?
From: cambler@zeus.calpoly.edu (The Squire, Phish)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 06:14:46 GMT
Organization: Fantasy, Incorporated: Reality None of Our Business.

Can someone summarize what's in the V2 that's not in the PRO?

Also, any place that's selling them for a decent price and has a good
reputation?

Many thanks!

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From: ghartzog@terapin.com (Garrett Hartzog)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Windows
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:25:59 GMT
Organization: BBS

In article <39714@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.com>, tedwards@qa.nad.northrop.com
(Tony Edwards) writes:
>Does anyone know of a program that can play .mod files from
>within windows. Public Domain or other nd if so where can i get it     
>from 
>
>Tony           
nope. What's more, I doubt you'd want to. From what I understand, playing mod
files on a single DAC means that the CPU has to work pretty hard for decent
quality.

Garrett Hartzog
ghartzog@terapin.com
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From: kevin@tycho.lmsc.com (Kevin Anderson x43487)
Subject: Re: MIDI adapter questions (SB and PAS)
Reply-To: kevin@tycho.lmsc.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 00:19:53 GMT


>while i do know enough to build an adapter, these questions would
>enable me to avoid testeng several different designs for quality,
>which is an important consideration.  ie, i will probably end up
>building one apapter with a 4n25 and one with a 6n138, and test for
>sound quality.. but isn't this not an issue with midi?  i thought midi
>was set up so that sound quality wouldn't deteriorate through wires,
>etc, because they dont transmit the sound itself or something?
>anyone?

Midi is not "sound", so it cannot degrade over a cable.  Midi is a hardware
and software standard developed by a bunch of electronic music manufactures
10 or 15 years ago.  The stuff that goes out through the cables is simply
control information digitally encoded.  If you know how to transmit digital
data reliably over cables, then you shouldn't have any problems.

There is an office (I think it's in southern CA somewhere) that will send 
you the official midi standards book (it cost around $30 a couple of years 
ago).  I don't know what the address is off the top of my head, but if
you want, I can look it up.  This book will have everything you could ever
want to know (and could care less about) regarding midi standards and 
definitions.  A good cheap book is:

Scacciaferro, Joe.  "The Midi Resource Book", Third Earth Publishing Inc.,
Pompton Lakes, N.J., 1988

As a word of warning, the above book might be out of date.

I built a midi interface a couple of years ago as a part of a larger 
system.  It is extemely easy.  It only took a couple of hours and 
the parts cost was around $5.
From: yen1366@cucs17.cs.cuhk.hk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Gravis Ultrasound
Date: 29 Jul 92 06:03:47 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Sci, CUHK

Hello!

     I know that the release of Gravis Ultrasound is delayed and delayed.
But can anyone post a hardware spec. table here? Like the sampling rates,
number of channel, interfaces... etc.

Regards,
CT Yen.

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From: johnson@cps.msu.edu.cps.msu.edu (Graham K Johnson)
Subject: Re: PAS-16 availability
Originator: johnson@indian.cps.msu.edu
Reply-To: johnson@cps.msu.edu.cps.msu.edu (Graham K Johnson)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 21:38:23 GMT

In article <Brsy56.L28@knot.ccs.queensu.ca> tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca (Tarun Kripalani) writes:
>
>The Number for Upgrades International is 1-800-877-6652. Another
>company that also
>stocks the PAS-16 is Quick Electronics which is affiliated with UI. 
>Their number is 1-800-800-5500 and their price is also $232.

Although they advertise for $232 and at least some of their
salespeople say $232, the person at Quick that I ordered from gave me
a price of $225.  They apparently have PAS-16's in stock, because they
said they shipped mine the day after I ordered it (Monday).


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From: mehdi@armon.rain.com (Mehdi Attaran)
Subject: Re: ProAudio/16 Information from MV
Organization: Armon Public Access Unix System -- Portland, OR, USA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 05:54:40 GMT

bradj@proton.corp.sgi.com (Super-User) writes:

>Its not a problem with the poster, the bulletin on MediaVision's BBS
>is screwed up.  I retrieved the bulletin off of the BBS and had the
>same problem.

I got the "Word for Windows" formatted version from CompuServe, and it looks
fine.  If folks are interested in that, let me know and I shall post it.


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From: cb062@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ira C. Smith)
Subject: Re: Mods and Modules
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 12:10:39 GMT


  What software do you use to create the mods. I have Modedit
for the pc. Are there any other editors out there. Or do you have
an Amiga to create mods with????


      -Chris
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From: ghartzog@terapin.com (Garrett Hartzog)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Roland MT-32 system, but no DAC
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:08:40 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <28JUL199218353597@rigel.tamu.edu>, raf4482@rigel.tamu.edu (REID
FORREST) writes:
>In article <l7bj1nINNhmv@girtab.usc.edu>, bise@girtab.usc.edu (Daniel W. Bise)
w
>rites...
>>The PAS, just being a plain better card, will also mix in your
>>internal speaker, handle Access' RealSound output, the FM section,
>>MIC IN and your CD-ROM audio.
>> 
>>All you should need to worry about is your speakers! 
>
>Will the CD-ROM Audio come from a CD-ROM drive not hooked into the PAS's
>SCSI interface?  I have a Mitsumi w/CD-ROM adapter.  The card has line out
>jacks on it.  Any help is appreciated.
>
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as long as you have the right cables, ANYTHING will hook up. Shouldn't be a
problem at all...gawd I need a CD-ROM drive:). Anyone want to buy me one? >8-D

Garrett Hartzog
ghartzog@terapin.com
From: panisset@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Jean-Francois Panisset)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Adlib news
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:12:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: thunder.1992Jul21.131236.15778
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines


Apparently, AdLib has just been purchased for $1.7M CDN by a german
company (the name of which escapes me). The purchase met all the Quebec
Government requirements (the province had been the largest provider of
money for AdLib lately), in particular that the company was to continue
to operate in Quebec. An earlier offer of $1.4M by Creative Labs had been
rejected. So I guess all you people waiting for the AdLib Gold should
see the end of your sufferings soon...

JF Panisset


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From: tedwards@qa.nad.northrop.com (Tony Edwards)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Windows
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:17:33 GMT
Organization: Product Assurance and Technology, Northrop Corporation

Does anyone know of a program that can play .mod files from
within windows. Public Domain or other nd if so where can i get it	
from 

Tony        	
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From: gleasont@lonex.rl.af.mil (Todd C. Gleason)
Subject: Re: FTP sites for .VOC, .SND, .NST, .CMF SB
Organization: RL
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 11:57:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.032718.9963@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> tvilla@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Tim Villa) writes:
>I've been looking around for the above type files to play on my Sound
>Blaster. I've found just a few so far. Anyone know any? Particularly
>NoiseTrackers (.NST)...or any PD music makers
>TIA
>Tim Villa
>tvilla@tartarus.uwa.edu.au
>
All .NST files you should rename to .MOD; they seem to be fully compatible
with the .MOD players as long as you rename them.  Then, get ModPlay 2.19
or TrakBlaster 2.0 (which I use, because it utilizes hires VGA for waveforms
and has a higher sampling rate) from snake.mcs.kent.edu in the
/pub/SB-Adlib/players/ dir.  .MOD files can be found in the 
/pub/SB-Adlib/ntmods/ dir.  There are also .STM files which can be converted
with a utility which I think the ModPlay 2.19 package includes.

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From: krw1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Kevin Weiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Turtle Beach Multisound
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:22:30 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>XR on it).  Nevertheless, since EMU sells the 1XR on a duaghtercard for $200,
>and the chip-set for $75, there appears room for some more downward price
>adjustments from Turtle Beach.  And I am sure there will be, given all the

At around $700, there's not much margin on the MultiSound, so I wouldn't
expect it to drop substantially.  Don't forget that it contains a 560000,
and its A/D/A and general audio specs are designed at pro levels.  I've
seen their test facility, and they are very scrupulous about maintaining
high audio quality.  In fact, the specs are so good that the Navy uses
the card in sonic imaging applications.
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From: darrylo@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Darryl Okahata)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Help with PAS16 "Speech"
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:21:57 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard, etxfln@eos.ericsson.se (Fredric Lonngren) writes:

> For what it's worth... My Thunderboard ( also MediaVision ) has serious
> trouble with the speech in Ultima Underworld ( also Origin ), have not

     For what it's worth, my PAS+ works just fine with my 385/25
motherboard, U7, WCII, Falcon 3.0, Willy Beamish (yuk), etc..  The only
game with which I *might* be having problems is Civilization, and I'm
not sure that I really am having problems with it (I'm told that there's
a lot of music in Civ, but I don't hear much).

     The PAS+ is also peacefully coexisting with an Adaptec 1542B.

     Note that I, too, have an AMI motherboard.  Perhaps everyone's
problems are being caused by cheap, poorly-designed motherboards?

     -- Darryl Okahata
	Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com

DISCLAIMER (unoriginal): This message is the author's personal opinion
and does not constitute the support, opinion or policy of
Hewlett-Packard.  Any resemblance between the above views and those of
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purely coincidental.  Any resemblance between the above and his own
views is non-deterministic.  The question of the existence of views in
the absence of anyone to hold them is left as an exercise for the
reader.  The question of the existence of the reader is left as an
exercise for the second god coefficient.  (A discussion of
non-orthogonal, non-integral polytheism is beyond the scope of this
article.)
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