From: memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Heavenly speculations (was Re: the terminator part n : ))
Date: 6 Sep 92 17:09:44 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Sep6.151238.24841@ucunix.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:
>In article <Bu56sn.KF7@acsu.buffalo.edu> memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep6.035153.20010@tamsun.tamu.edu> gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>>>In article <Bu4v8o.FrH@acsu.buffalo.edu>, memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon) writes:
>>>
>>>|> story about hoors while the Sufis abhorred the sexual references, as pointed
>>>|> out by you. For a hypothetical heavan, the hypothetical gift in the form of
>>>|> a hoor as an incentive for a heterosexual male is hardly a good motivation,
>>>     ^^^^^
>>>
>>>What is `hoor' ?
>>>
>>>regards,
>>>--   
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>>>   / __   /   /  /   /  /   /  /   | (o)(o)   REAL & IMAGINARY PARTS  
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>>
>>
>>Hoors are pure virgins who would serve the men in Heavan as a reward for
>>living a pious clean life on Earth. Heavan is supposed to be a beautiful
>>place full of hoors. Pious men would get hoors and what pious women would get,
>>that cannotbe said for sure, some say they will get their husbands. 
>>I think providing them with hooras is a fair deal. Some religious people say 
>>that these relationships will not be sexual and maybe one would hear a hoor say
>>to a maulana sahib "let's just be friends" :) if the latter went just a bit
>>overboard with his fingers. :)
>>
>>Naveed[on a highway to hell?, most definitely] Siraj
>The word hoor in Arabic from the Quran does not imply women in Heaven as a 
>reward for living the pious life. I have been reading this string of articles 
>and am sick of the sexism that is being implied. The word hoor in Arabic and

Pardon me but the concept of partner is not very clear without a sexual 
connotation. I think instead of getting sick of anything, you should join
in the debate and in a way you already answered my question i.e the gender
of the hoor. If it implies both male and female as you point out, then sexism
that was implied is deeply regreted :) and this netter is apologetic(sp)  :)
>as translated in the Quran means a heavenly partner. It implied in Arabic a
>person with large eyes, since that was a signg of beauty. The Quran says the
>people of heaven will get hoors. That is both men and women who have lived
>according to the way expected for them will get heavenly companions. The Quran
>does not specify male or female, and hoor is a word that implies either male or
>female. There are many hadis which state what the nature of the hoor will
>be, but we have to keep in mind that these are hadis and not quran. furthermore
>i am getting sick and tired of seeing islam being denigrated like this. you 
>people are worse than the folks of soc.culture.iranian. please show a little
>bit of respect to islam and talk in a respectful manner.
>
>zafar

In my insignificant humble opinion Islam is not denigrated by any discussion,
but only things become a lot clearer. To assume that it is, and that there 
is no humour to be found in the concept of hoors is not a healthy thing
for a faithful such as yourself. For an unfaithful such as myself, Islam will
have a special meaning despite the fact that I find the 
the sexual connotation of a partner plain funny. Maybe
you should remind the poet that he has denigrated Islam when he said the
following, (corrections are welcome)

aisee janat ka kya karay koee
jis main lakhoon barass kee hooraiN hain