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From: bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 3 Oct 92 15:33:55 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <BvI3G9.As0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.144332.103@en.ecn.purdue.edu> chenwei@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Chenwei Yan) writes:
>
>>Chinese people can only depend on themselves to make the country better and
>>stronger. On the other hand, we should learn from the other countries for good
>>expertise and good experiences for one reason: becoming the strongest nation
>>in the world and crush all the opponents!
>>
>>21st CENTURY WILL BE THE CENTURY OF THE GREATER CHINA!!!!
>>
>>Let's all work for that goal!
>>
>
>I am not meant to discourage you. People in the world don't believe so.
 >has abandoned communism except China. China is too stuburn to become
>world leader. Besides, looking at how arrogant you guys are, no body
>in the world will like to see China strong. If you are against the world,

 You don't, but I do! Please don't say "nobody" something so easily.

>you are in trouble, not even to mention development.
>
>
From: hl2a@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Haiyan  Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: an unsuccessful mail forgery
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:22:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: murdoch.1992Sep29.202232.13802
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <9209291801.AA05834@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:
>
>          Oops!  zzuo@iastate.edu, where did you come out from? 
>          I am glad you are still alive :-).  I remember not long ago
>          you were a nei4 xian4r of mine inside the 9201 committee (I
>          still keep all the correspondence between us.  Your code
>          name was 110??1).  You stopped reporting and I have counted
>          you as "missing in action."
>
>          Since you are alive you might as well take advantage of it
>          and refrain from embarrassing yourself publicly :-).

The following is written by an anonymous friend.

-------------------

> From: "(Ning Luo)" <ningluo@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
> Subject:      Would S1216 hurt those who came after 4/11/90? (continue I)

> 5,000 to 10,000 annually + their family members.  It would take more
> than 20 years for all these people to go through the waiting line.

If they could wait in the line for that long.

The reality is that many of these people are not in the line to begin with,
because they have already run out of their legal status.

For those who are in the line waiting, their legal status will run out in
3-5 years, and then they'll have to drop out of the race.

S1216 would add about 30,000 principals and about 70,000 of their dependents
into the race -- and guarantee them the winning ticket.

>But even if we do not take this into account, only 5,000 to
>10,000 new graduates who are not covered by the bill + their
>family members would now compete for the remaining quota of 1,700.
>To put it simply:

>  S1216 WOULD REDUCE THE COMPETITION FOR THE IMMIGRATION QUOTA
>BY A FACTOR OF 5 TO 9 IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

To put it in a simple way: the 5,000-10,000 new graduates usually
compete for 2,000 slots, but with S1216, they'd have only 1,700 to
fight for.

Also these 30,000 "extra" immigrants would take away 30,000 jobs -- 
In some sense, 15 years' worth, which would make things harder for
the new graduates.

Don't forget that all these 100,000 "extra" immigrants have relatives
in China,  who could then join the race for other categories.
From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: A Joke (Was Re: Do Something For Yourself, ... )
Date: 2 Oct 92 03:42:15 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada


    In article <1992Oct2.012336.2587@news.iastate.edu> (2 Oct 92) Zhiqi Zuo
writes,

>> If Bush signs the bill and move the date to current, are you still hate
>> the bill?  Why don't you call Bush and ask him to do so.  That is what
>> to do something for yourself.
>
> I still hate the bill, unless this bill can cover all WORLD students.

    That reminds me an old joke about a devoted communist.  This vanguard of
the world revolution tells his girl friend:

    "I cannot marry you until you married to all the workers of the WORLD."


DISCLAIMER: No flame.  A joke is a joke :-).
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:26617 soc.culture.taiwan:14070
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:50:54 GMT

In article <80570@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>In article <1992Sep24.004250.14432@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>>Hmmm.  North Korea?  With the helps of the Soviet Union and China?
>>
>>The United States fought to save South Korea.  What is wrong with that?
>
>Had the United States fought only to save South Korea, it is very
>unlikely that the Chinese would have entered the Korean War.  The
>problem was that once American troops crossed the 38th parallel and
>headed northward, Mao and his friends became very nervous.  What
>worried them was the possibility that American troops would not stop
>once they reached the Yalu River and would continue into Manchuria.
>Even if the United States did stop at the Yalu River, China would have
>to garrision a lot of troops at its border with Korea to defend itself
>against a hostile regime.
>
rumor has it that MacArthur decided to cross 38' and wipe out N. Korea
and maybe beyond on his own, without Truman's initial approval,
can anyone confirm this?

>Also, I agree with you that Chiang Kai-Shek had almost no influence in
>the American decision to enter the Korean War. 
>
From: lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct. 1, greedcard, and others
Date: 3 Oct 92 04:07:15 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <9210030252.AA15055@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:

          Lix writes:

              "pi3 fu1 wu2 zui4, huai2 bi4 qi2 zui4."
              ( the horse man is not a criminal, his jade is)

Wrong translation. It should be "A horse of man", rather than "the horse
man". The second lecture today, please donate to SOS China Education Fund.

Where is Steve Lin?
--
From: zliu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Zhong Liu)
Subject: Good news for the protection bill (unconfirmed)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:07:04 GMT

From YCHI@uars.sunysb.edu Mon Oct  5 17:17:14 1992
Received: from gelua2.uars.sunysb.edu by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/
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     id AA09122; Mon, 5 Oct 92 17:17:12 -0400
Date:    Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:28:05 EDT
From: YCHI@uars.sunysb.edu
Message-Id: <921005172805.2f200299@uars.sunysb.edu>
Subject: white house
To: zliu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
X-Vmsmail-To: SMTP%"zliu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu"
Status: O

Here is a message from my friend. Note: it's unconfirmed.

=====================================================

Hi, Liu:

We received a phone call from student organization.

They said that this afternoon, Zhao HaiQing met with public relation
official of White House, and the official said that Bush will sign Bill.
Zhao also saw Bush in his desk, and they waved hands each other.

The student organization said that they are more closely watch the
situation and prevent the unexpected change.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wang@apache.dtcc.edu (Wang Gang)
Subject: someone tell me what is China Net?
Organization: Delaware Technical & Community College
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:14:13 GMT

I appreciate.

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From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:38:33 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Oct2.144332.103@en.ecn.purdue.edu> chenwei@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Chenwei Yan) writes:

>Chinese people can only depend on themselves to make the country better and
>stronger. On the other hand, we should learn from the other countries for good
>expertise and good experiences for one reason: becoming the strongest nation
>in the world and crush all the opponents!
>
>21st CENTURY WILL BE THE CENTURY OF THE GREATER CHINA!!!!
>
>Let's all work for that goal!
>

I am not meant to discourage you. People in the world don't believe so.
The majority American believe Japan will be the best in the next century. 
While China will have to struggle against its own problems. The biggest
problem for China is communism. If China insists on communism, it will
become the enemy of world, therefore people in the world will try to
block the development of China.

My prediction to China in next 50 years is that China will be in chaos
after Deng Xiaoping's death. The chaos was be caused by people's feeling
on Tiananmen Massacre and isolation of the world. Two possible outcomes:
one, communist party will be dead, China will join the world community;
two, China will be in civil war in which thousands of thousands of people
will die.

China has its tradition of resisting changes of the world. The whole world
has abandoned communism except China. China is too stuburn to become
world leader. Besides, looking at how arrogant you guys are, no body
in the world will like to see China strong. If you are against the world,
you are in trouble, not even to mention development.
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:21:02 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Oct4.205127.21066@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:

>If there is a war between China and Aemrica, what are you going to do?

I will discourage both to fight. I consider both countries I feel.
I lived 20 some years in China and almost 10 in this country. I love
both countries. China gave me birth although it didn't give me feeling
as a citizen. Overall, America give me much more positive feeling
than negative one. It is the motherland of my children, therefore
I consider it as my second motherland. I love people both here and in
China. I hate to see both people get hurt.

If I cannot do anything, I will try to escape from the draft. I
guess future President Bill Clinton will understand it :-).

>If there is a war between Russian and America, what are you going to do?

I have to see which side is just. If none is just, I will escape
the draft again.
From: yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Vote for our future
Keywords: vote
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:51:22 GMT
Organization: New York University

Mr. Carl hasn't apeared on the net for a long time. Is he
trying to organize a voting procedure for the bill s1216? 

By his logic, people can always "vote for their future".

We miss you, Mr. Carl!

Ze Yang
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:26653 talk.politics.china:1481
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: To President Bush.
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:09:53 GMT
Organization: Indiana University


Dear President Bush:

Do you know how many eyes are watching you? They are so many
and they are full of wishes, wishing miracle would happen. Oh,
you are the messenger of lord; you can send them to heaven; 
you can send them to hell. All between your "Y" and "N".

Your mighty God, Amen!

A Christian.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System)
Subject: Re: Culture and skin
Reply-To: bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System)
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee
Date: 27 Sep 1992 13:18:38 GMT

In article <9209231800.AA26690@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:
>
>          1.  to absort good things such as a cool breeze, the
>          warm sunshine, the lotion, and beauty powder etc. ;
>

Since white skin lacks of the pigment to filter off UV light, it tends of
cause more skin cancer.

>          2.  to let out bad things such as salt, bad mineral, extra
>          fat, etc.;
>
I don't agree that salts are bad things. You need salts, many different
kinds of salts to keep yourhealth. You are probably talking about
urea, the metablite of amino acis.
 
>          But I still want to point out the following facts:
>
>          1.  White has a higher evaluation result from chinese,
>          examples include "bai2 mian4 shu1 sheng1,"  "nai3 you2 xiao3
>          sheng1," etc.  I even heard the following saying:
>
>              bai3 mi3 bu4 ru2 bai2 mi3;
>              bai3 mian4 bu4 ru2 bai2 mian4;
>              bai3 cai4 bu4 ru2 bai2 cai4.
>
>          The bai2 lian3 in Peking opera usually means high officials.
>

I always thought Da4 Bai2 Lian3 was Jian1 Chen2. Isn't Cao2 Cao1 a
Da4 Bai2 Lian3 in Peking opera?

>          2.  Huang2 has pretty bad reputation in Chinese.  Examples
>          include:  Huang2 lian3 po2,  huang2 se4 shu1 kan1, etc.  One
>          of the reasons, of course, is that in the past, the yellow
>          is the exclusive color for the emperor and we don't like
>          dictators.  And lately, we have started the sweep yellow
>          movement. 
>
This argument is interesting. So why emperors chose to use yellow color?
Admitting that they were dictators? I thought emperor used yellow color
because it was considered good.

>          In summary, we chinese don't like our skin colors and admire
>          foreign colors.  That is why I have been saying we are good
>          learners.  
>

Well, there are white, yellow and black. Yellow is in the middle. Isn't
that sort of fitting Zhong Yong Zhi Dao?

Chou1


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wzhuang@cs.dal.ca (Wendy Huang)
Subject: Extra charge for revieving letters from abroad?
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:57:18 GMT

Hi, 

I just got a letter from home, saying that there is extra fee (RMB 1.00)
to receive a letter from abroad. Any confirmation about it?

W
From: dh5m@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Donghai  Huangfu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:58:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: murdoch.1992Oct5.165858.16213
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <9227921.9439@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>Sorry, can someone please enlighten my history?
>
>What on Earth is Oct 1 national day????


Oct. 1, 1949 is the date of foundation of PR China.
>   got other things to do...  but I would appreciate if someone
>   explain to me what is 1 oct ???  and why do we celebrate 10/10
>   in HK, and 25 Dec in Taiwan????????????????????


Maybe HK was main base in the Revolution around 10/10/1991.
Maybe because the president of ROC in Taiwan believes GOD.

????????????
>
>-- 
>1)-----------------------Rev 6:8 "... They were given authority over a quarter
>of the Earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and wild beasts."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 11:48:08 GMT

Sorry, can someone please enlighten my history?

What on Earth is Oct 1 national day????

isn't it 10 October or 25 December???????  I'm lost.

Anyway, while trying to digest all the postings (I've been away for
half a week... :-) ), I like to mention that, In My Opinion,

1)  China needs nuclear bombs.  not for offense, but for defense.
   Japan is developing nuclear weapons with the help of France.
   N. Korea is said to have it.  Russia has it.  The 2 India's
   have it.  If China didn't have it, she would not be respected
   by neighbours.

2)  I have a few things to say, but can't remember now... I've
   got other things to do...  but I would appreciate if someone
   explain to me what is 1 oct ???  and why do we celebrate 10/10
   in HK, and 25 Dec in Taiwan????????????????????????????????

-- 
1)-----------------------Rev 6:8 "... They were given authority over a quarter
of the Earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and wild beasts."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: byab345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang)
Subject: Re: Dui Lian
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 20:37:54 GMT

In article <Oct.5.15.52.10.1992.18713@europa.rutgers.edu> pli@europa.rutgers.edu (Peiyuan Li) writes:
>Is there anyperson to know the Dui Lian in Wu Hou Shi, Chengdu,
>Shichuan, which was famous historically. 
>
>..PL
I happened to know one, but I am not sure it is what you want:

Nen2 Gong1 Xin1 ze Fan3 Ce4 Zi4 Xiao1, Zi4 Gu3 Zhi1 Bin1 fei Hao4 Zhang4.
Bu1 Shen1 Shi4 ji Kuan1 Yan2 Jie1 Wu4, Hou4 Lai2 Zhi4 Shu3 Yao4 San1 Si1.

If you know how to aproach one's psycho, you can zero out pressure from
different directions, a good militarist never be a war lover.        
If you do not have good timing, it leads to failure no matter you are
tough or easy. Future Sichuan officers, please think carefully.

-- Forgive my poor translation. D.K


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: phung@attmail.com
Subject: >To: internet!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!soc.culture.china
Content-Type: text
Original-Date: Sun Sep 27 23:04:22 EDT 1992
Ua-Message-Id: <phung2720304230>
Original-To: attmail!internet!havarti.cs.wisc.edu!hknet
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Original-From: attmail!phung (Jonathan  Hung )
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Chinese Alliance for Memorial and Justice (CAMAJ)

       are happy to invite you to the

         CAMAJ Fundraising Banquet
         -------------------------

                  for
Ad Hoc Committe on Japanese War Responsibility


time:     7 PM, Oct. 2 (Fri)
location: Silver Palace Restaurant
          52 Bowery St.
          New York City

$50/seat

for further info., pls. call: (718)-768-3428
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hua@engin.umich.edu (CHONGYU HUA)
Subject: [News] Olympic gold proving headache for China's medalists
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 11:56:12 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor


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Olympic gold proving headache for China's medalists
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Source: United Press International, 10/1/92

	
BEIJING -- The cash and prizes awarded to China's gold medalists at the Barcelona 
Olympics have proven a mixed blessing as the newly rich athletes are being besieged 
by charity cases and con artists, a state-run newspaper reported Thursday.
	
Despite glowing reports in the official media on the small fortunes being given 
by the government and private businesses to reward the medalists, most of the money 
has not yet been distributed, the English-language China Daily said.
	
But many of the now-famous athletes have nonetheless been showered with calls, 
letters and other pleas to share their supposed wealth, the newspaper said.
	
``I told them I hadn't received any money,'' said table tennis champion Deng Yaping, 
the country's only double-gold medalist at Barcelona, of the requests she had 
received. ``But who believes me? They only took what they read for granted.''

The China Daily said some medalists have been pressured to donate funds to athletic 
schools, charity projects and individual needy cases. Others reported having been 
recognized by taxi drivers who then demanded exorbitant fares.
	
Swimming star Yang Wenyi, who won gold in the women's 50-meter freestyle at Barcelona, 
received a letter from a purported victim of a serious kidney disease pleading for 
10,000 yuan ($1,800), only to find the same letter was sent to every other gold 
medalist.
	
The China Daily quoted Liu Ji, vice director of the National Sports Committee, as 
saying all cash and prize awards would be routed first through the committee and 
then to the athletes.
	
Deng's awards are to be the largest of the medalists, a total of $210,000. Other 
medalists will receive funds that could set them up for life in a nation where 
the average monthly wage is still about $35.
	
But Deng said she had so far actually received only a $5,000 check and a gold soft 
drink can, and had to borrow the $9,000 she contributed to a charity project for 
children's education, the China Daily noted.
	
``Shooting champions Wang Yifu and Zhang Shan were worn out explaining to swarms 
of freeloaders that they had not got their bonus yet and after the tax, not too 
much would be left,'' the newspaper said.
	
And women's gymnastic champion Lu Li -- only 15 years old -- had to turn down an 
offer to have a gymnastics school named after her. The school told her she would 
have to pay for the honor.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: bjones@convex.com (Brad Jones)
Subject: Re: Oct. 1, greedcard, and others
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:00:23 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


So far we have the following:

>"pi3 fu1 wu2 zui4, huai2 bi4 qi2 zui4."
>( the horse man is not a criminal, his jade is)

>Wrong translation. It should be "A horse of man", rather than "the horse man".

>It is not a crime to marry only _a_ woman,
>unless you do have money (jade) to take more.


All three are a bit literal, aren't they?  It would be easier to translate
if the exact context were known.  "Horse", "Jade", etc. seem to be conveying
another thought.

Figuratively (as all good proverbs should be read), the basic thought appears
to be, "A man is innocent of causing his own death, even though his riches
attracted a murderer to him."

Put another way, "A man's innocence would not cause his own ruin, but his
riches may cause another's greed."

Put a final way, "They murder him only for his riches."


Brad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:20:14 GMT

In article <1aidflINN6u0@phad.hsc.usc.edu> xuxianz@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Xuxian Zhang) writes:
>You are right. Someone just want to show their faith to ccp so that they can get some benefit after they come home. I saw this kind of people for long time. They drink chinese people's blood but also prentend they like China. 
>

Might exist. But the following edited version 
is difinitely the well-known fact:

Someone just want to show their faith to US so that they can get some benefit
from US. I saw this kind of people for long time. 
They drink Chinese people's blood but also prentend they are d-fighter. 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: the 9201 letter
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:59:00 GMT

In article <2AC8DE14.6715@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)  
writes:
> 
> a real democratic movement should be proceeded peacefully.  It is a fact
> that you democracy fighters opened fire to the PLA soldiers before the 
> soldiers fighted back.
> 

Even CG did not say that students opened fire to PLA soldiers before the  
soldiers fought back! Shannon, your imagination goes too wild. Curb it please.


Carl