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From: gairns@ccrs.emr.ca (Jamie Gairns)
Subject: Re: Being made...
Organization: Canada Centre for Remote Sensing, Ottawa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:16:30 GMT

In article <+vsn#8#.despair@netcom.com> despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson) writes:
>It is my impression that a Christian myth would rely on Christian symbols.
>The folklore was maintained/created by Christians, so naturally the Cross was
>used.  From a multicultural standpoint it is illogical, but it would be
>awfully confusing to be a vampyre if there were thousands of religious
>totems that would weaken one.
	Actually, the Vampire myth is a very ancient one.  It originally
	sprang from humanity's inability to deal with the fact that
	dead bodies occasionally 'do' strange things during the process
	of decomposition.  Christians just added all the window dressing
	to the folklore ... Christians are quite good at that sort of
	thing, actually.

>Some myths maintain it is the faith alone that foils the vampyre.  So one 
>could use a Pez dispenser if one really believed in it.
	Good point.  It would be about as effective on an inanimate
	corpse ... they tend to be susceptible to quite a lot of things,
	since they don't fight back.

Seamus
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From: mad-celt@cwis.unomaha.edu (Andrew Patrick Booth)
Subject: Re: The idea behind alt.vampyres
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:39:06 GMT

bohlman@plains.NoDak.edu (Daemon) writes:


>Just out of curiousity, (I want to hear some other ideas about this...)
>What is the best way to destroy a vampire and be _sure_ that it won't come
>back?

First drive a stake through the heart, then severe the head from the body.  

Completely emerse the vampyre in running water.  [A shower is not complete
emersion. :)]  

Direct exposure to sunlight is usually permanent, but to be safe dispose of 
any remains by burying them in consecrated ground or emerse them in running 
water.

I have never tested these theories myself, but they are supposed to be true.  
I personally see no current need to destroy a vampyre, except in self defense.
I only oppose hate and exploitation.


...Maelstrom 
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From: dkl@xcluud.sccsi.com (David Karl Leikam)
Subject: Re: _Rockula_, Yarbro, porphyria, and questions
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:38:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.153028.5843@coe.montana.edu> drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III) writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.181441.1@opie.bgsu.edu> jdraper@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>> [stuff deleted]
>>This may be getting a little long, but I have just one more request: Does 
>>anyone know any methods of becoming a vampire *without* being bitten by one?
>
>
>One that I've come across a few times is that the one to be turned drinks the
>blood of the vampire, given as a gift from the vampire.  We saw that in _The
>Lost Boys_, Jack Palance's PBS _Dracula_, and it can be found in a few books.
>

   A recurrent alternative method is simply having a sufficiently strong
will to refuse death. Steakley implies this, and I believe Saberhagen 
actually states it.

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From: bucknerb@bnr.ca (Brent Buckner)
Subject: Re: Vampire short stories
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ontario, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:37:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.030630.17053@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> aaron@space.ualberta.ca writes:
>It seems to me that the Fiction List is a bit short on short stories(no pun
>intended, really...).  I can think of two offhand, sort of...
>
>I recall a story by Richard Purtill called "Something In The Blood".  I read it
>a few years back, and I somehow think that it was in an issue of F&SF, but it
>could have been IASFM, or perhaps even Amazing.  Anyway, I seem to recall that
>it involved vampirism as a cure for AIDS...
>
>Another, whose title nor author I cannot recall, had a very novel idea.  A
>Catholic priest becomes a vampire, and visits a Jesuit friend of his shortly
>upon discovery of this, trying to reconcile his vampirism with his holy
>calling, and wondering at God's intent.  The Jesuit friend goes through the
>list of standard vampire vulnerabilities, and notes that holy wafers are
>commonly known as anathema(and the priest has proves this)--but nothing at all
>is said about sacramental wine, which is supposed to represent the blood of
>Christ...  They hold an impromptu semi-Communion, and it turns out that the
>wine transformed into the blood of Christ is sufficient to slake the hunger of
>a vampire.  A novel idea, for sure, but all I've seen of it is the short story.
>;-}  I'll check tonight, when I can use my computer to check my databases, and
>maybe I'll find the title of the story, and post it tomorrow...
>

"Flesh and Blood" by Brent Buckner (On Spec, Fall 1991)

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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: How to kill 'em, cook 'em, and raise 'em
Date: 15 Sep 1992 06:18:45 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>What is the best way to destroy a vampire and be _sure_ that it won't come
>back?

Depends on the culture it comes from, as most vampire deaths were as
individual as the faerie/spirit/ghost stories they slowly evolved out of in
folklore. Common Euro-Centric vampire deaths include, of course, the stake
in the heart, cutting off the head, stuffing the mouth full of garlic,
reburying the head upside down, burning the body to ashes, and then dumping
the whole lot into a river of holy water. For Oriental vampires, I will not
resist my natural corniness and point out that, perhaps, you should put a
sake through its heart...

In any case, the semi-mythical Cecil Adams did a pretty good run down of
various cultural vampiric death requirements in his Straight Dope column
some years back. Given sufficient net interest, I'll dig up my Chicago
Readers (and SD compilations) and look it up.

And, of course, as has been pointed out in many a vampiric novel, any sure
way to kill a vampire will certainly kill any other human. 
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From: mtspace@wpi.WPI.EDU (The Lost One)
Subject: Re: Vamp Movies
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 02:37:41 GMT


	Now we mustn't forget "The Hunger".  Decent movie and can't beat the
soundtrack - anything with Bauhaus can't be too bad ;)

Matt.
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From: staats@athena.mit.edu (Dick)
Subject: Re: _Rockula_, Yarbro, porphyria, and questions
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:40:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.145910.20266@coe.montana.edu>, drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III) writes:
|> In article <Bu9yK5.8xD@xcluud.sccsi.com> dkl@xcluud.sccsi.com (David Karl Leikam) writes:
|> >In article <1992Sep8.153028.5843@coe.montana.edu> drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III) writes:
|> >>In article <1992Sep7.181441.1@opie.bgsu.edu> jdraper@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
|> >>> [stuff deleted]
|> >>>This may be getting a little long, but I have just one more request: Does 
|> >>>anyone know any methods of becoming a vampire *without* being bitten by one?
|> >>
|> >>
|> >>One that I've come across a few times is that the one to be turned drinks the
|> >>blood of the vampire, given as a gift from the vampire.  We saw that in _The
|> >>Lost Boys_, Jack Palance's PBS _Dracula_, and it can be found in a few books.
|> >>
|> >
|> >   A recurrent alternative method is simply having a sufficiently strong
|> >will to refuse death. Steakley implies this, and I believe Saberhagen 
|> >actually states it.
|> >
|> 
|> In Saberhagen's latest, _A Matter of Taste_, that's how Dracula (Drakulya) 
|> became a vampire.

	Actually the book was more than a little vague on this point.  The
protagonist kept saying "I REFUSED to die."  But, Saberhagen threw in little
details like "the candles went out" and "there was a deadly chill in the air"
which implied to me that perhaps another (evil?) entity had entered the chamber
with Vlad Tepes and those preparing the deceased for burial.  I was intrigued by
that section of the book.  How did other folks interpret that section?

Rich
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: "Dracula's Guest"
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:39:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1992Sep9.170520.24139@mdd.comm.mot.com>, wu@mdd.comm.mot.com 
(Philip Wu) writes:

>>Have any of you read this Stoker short story?  I believe it was originally
>>supposed to be a chapter of _Dracula_, but was removed, and later published
>>posthumously by Stoker's wife.

> Where can one find this most interesting work??

I read it in an anthology called something like "Dracula's Greatest Vampire
Stories", and it was published by the Dracula Society...

It also includes Carmilla, The Room in the Tower, and some great horror
stories by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, H.P.Lovecraft, and Edgar Allen Poe, to 
name a few.

Greg Bole                               "Are you coming?  Yeah, well see the 
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From: mcline@terapin.com (Matthew Cline)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: _Rockula_, Yarbro, porphyria, and questions
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:41:04 GMT
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Sep7.181441.1@opie.bgsu.edu>, jdraper@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>This may be getting a little long, but I have just one more request: Does 
>anyone know any methods of becoming a vampire *without* being bitten by one?
>I'm writing a story that turns on this point. I seem to remember reading 
>somewhere that suicide under certain conditions can do it, but I need more
>details.
>
>Happy hunting!
>Webdancer

        I vaguely remember a myth that if you commint suicide under a new moon
that you'll turn into a vampire (that is, a Eastern European vampire).  There's
also a mith that if a werewolf is killed that it will come back to life as a
vampire.  Werewolf myths hold that if a human drinks water from a puddle that
has formed in the foot print of a wolf, that that person will become a
werewolf.  So a person could drink from water thats collected in a wolf's foot
print, thus becoming a werewolf, and then kill himself with a silver bullet,
thus becoming a vampire.  A very roundabout way of becoming a vampire, no?

Matthew Cline
mcline@terapin.com
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From: ramirez@IASTATE.EDU (Richard G Ramirez)
Subject: Re: Crosses and Vampires
Reply-To: ramirez@IASTATE.EDU (Richard G Ramirez)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:27:13 GMT

I remember the Roddie McDowell movie and the Star of David.
A funny movie.

It is interesting that in many movies, even after
they suspect a vampire, they don't think of
wearing crosses.  At most they carry one that
falls off at the worse time.

If I suspected vampires, I would have crosses
embroided in my shirts, pants, and everywhere else.
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From: dek2@cec2.wustl.edu (Dean E Kassmann)
Subject: How 'bout some netiquette
Keywords: netiquette 
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:28:52 GMT

i don't know how long this newsgroup has existed, i just found out about it.
i think it is great.

however, i am not trying to be all high and mighty but i think some netiquette 
is in order.  making posts that have long headers of the article they are
responding to and then including only a "me too" type message is absurd.  this
takes up large amounts of disk space and money.  if you want to respond and
the message is one that is not particularly directed to all those who read this
group, just use email.  

no more "i think so too" type messages. PLEASE  
 

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From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Subject: Re: Vampire books...
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 23:15:02 GMT

In <1992Sep6.193727.18690@coe.montana.edu> drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III) writes:

>In article <1992Sep6.050545.24107@cs.mcgill.ca> zippy@cs.mcgill.ca (Fotis XIPOLITAKIS) writes:
>>	I recently finished reading the "Vampire chronicles" by Anne
>>	Rice and was severly impressed! Does anyone have the name of
>>	anyother good vampire series?
>>
>>

>Although they haven't written a series yet, Mercedes Lackey and Barbara
>Hambly have each written at least one rather good vampire-based novel.
>Also, Fred Saberhagen has written about six books in a series involving 
>his version of Dracula and friends.

Titles!!  Please, give us titles!!
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From: dek2@cec2.wustl.edu (Dean E Kassmann)
Subject: Re: New Anne Rice???
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 13:50:03 GMT

My sources say yes.  It is the next book in the Vampire Chronicles.  It is
due out supposedly on Holloween.  I received this information from a friend
who called Bantam Books and asked a lot of questions.  If i remember right,
he said there may be one also comming out shortly after that.
(This information may be correct or it may not, I am waiting the same as you
to find out)


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Subject: what about NEAR DARK ??
From: mbuc1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Matthew Richard     Buchanan       )
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:42:11 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

I liked the Lost Boys, but Kathryn (director of Point Break) Bigelow's
Near Dark was a ripper too..

see ya, Matt.
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From: tag@hermes.ecn.purdue.edu (Tony A. Gibbens)
Subject: Re: Being made...
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:51:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.011630.8129@emr1.emr.ca> gairns@ccrs.emr.ca (Jamie Gairns) writes:
>In article <+vsn#8#.despair@netcom.com> despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson) writes:
>>It is my impression that a Christian myth would rely on Christian symbols.
>>The folklore was maintained/created by Christians, so naturally the Cross was
>>used.  From a multicultural standpoint it is illogical, but it would be
>>awfully confusing to be a vampyre if there were thousands of religious
>>totems that would weaken one.
>	Actually, the Vampire myth is a very ancient one.  It originally
>	sprang from humanity's inability to deal with the fact that
>	dead bodies occasionally 'do' strange things during the process
>	of decomposition.  Christians just added all the window dressing

Perhaps,... or, perhaps that is just what the "real" vampyres want us 
to believe.

>	to the folklore ... Christians are quite good at that sort of
>	thing, actually.
>
>>Some myths maintain it is the faith alone that foils the vampyre.  So one 
>>could use a Pez dispenser if one really believed in it.
>	Good point.  It would be about as effective on an inanimate
>	corpse ... they tend to be susceptible to quite a lot of things,
>	since they don't fight back.
>
>Seamus



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From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Subject: Re: Forever Knight
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 23:13:37 GMT

In <weee4xu00WBOE4CRwe@andrew.cmu.edu> cs65+@andrew.cmu.edu (Chiara Noelle Sposato) writes:

>Forever Knight--it is a great show but when are they going to make any
>more episodes??!! the show is so intriging with the flashbacks and ties
>into history and legend--similar to Anne Rice's way of creating
>"history" as well as tying into real history in her novels.

>chiara

I'm pretty sure I heard that the show had been renewed for another
season.  I sure hope I'm right.
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From: jeff@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Jeff Linder)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Anne Rice's Novel in Playboy
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:07:02 GMT
Organization: Small Business Support Services
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

FYI - There is an excerpt from Ann Rice's new vampire novel in the October 
Issue of Playboy.

Just in case you are interested.

Jeff
From: reiners@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: "Dracula's Guest"
Date: 16 Sep 92 02:13:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <1992Sep10.133930.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu> bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.170520.24139@mdd.comm.mot.com>, wu@mdd.comm.mot.com 
>(Philip Wu) writes:
>
>>>Have any of you read this Stoker short story?  I believe it was originally
>>>supposed to be a chapter of _Dracula_, but was removed, and later published
>>>posthumously by Stoker's wife.
>
>> Where can one find this most interesting work??
>
>I read it in an anthology called something like "Dracula's Greatest Vampire
>Stories", and it was published by the Dracula Society...

It's also in _The Penguin Book of Vampire Stories_, edited by Alan Ryan (which
also contains a juicy excerpt from my favorite, _Varney the Vampyre, or, The 
Feast of Blood_, by James Malcolm Rymer.)

Paul Reiners
<reiners@iastate.edu>
From: d86-emh@dront.nada.kth.se (E Magnus Hulthen)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampyres/Origins too
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:53:14 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

In article <1992Sep4.200742.4155@coe.montana.edu> drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III) writes:

   Actually, one of the strongest possible vampire-origin theories has to do with
   a physiological condition brought on by a porphyrin absence, or lack, in the
   system.  I suggest looking this up in a medical text, primarily because I
   don't want to get anything wrong.  But, briefly, some of the symptoms
   demonstrated are:

	   gums pulling away from the teeth,
	   extreme skin sensitivity to light, particularly sunlight, in which it
		   is not unknown to cause serious skin burn and damage,
	   eye sensitivity to light, blindness not unknown,
	   an inability to properly metabolize the proteins gained from red
		   meat, leading to an abnormal hunger for same.


Dont the symptoms include abnormal facial hair growth? Which thus may be
a (possible) cause for the stories and legends of lycanthropy (Werevolves
etc).
					/Magnus Hulthen
					d86-emh@nada.kth.se
From: aumentad@aludra.usc.edu (Jesus Hates You)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Actual accounts...
Date: 11 Sep 1992 17:22:46 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

 Anybody heard about the disinterment of emphysema victims in the eighteen hundreds?  I guess back then they thought that they(the emphysema victims) would come back from the dead and infect the living.  They would have big disinterment parties at night and mutilate the body which was often not completely decayed and cross the femurs over the torso and place the head right above the established cross.  The funny thing is that it really wasn't all that weird back then.

-joe
(aumentad@aludra.usc.edu)
From: moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: VAMPIRE, not "vampyres"
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 15:09:45 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

bkeener@cs.ulowell.edu (Brian E. Keener) writes:

> Just thought I'd let you know the spelling on your group is off... have a nic
> 	day...


       Sorry, I'm old fashioned......"VAMPYRES" stays.

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From: cgc2646@usl.edu (Cech Claude G)
Subject: Re: Vampiric human relationships
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:41:37 GMT

In article <FABBOTT.92Sep15124136@e40-008-12.mit.edu> fabbott@athena.mit.edu (Freeland K Abbott III) writes:
>In article <1992Sep15.011204.19351@reed.edu> mfunk@reed.edu (Michele Funk) writes:
>
>
>   To start up another line of thought, how would one use the ways to kill a
>   vampire to think up a way for "psychic" vampires to be "killed"?  
>
>Uh... starvation seems the most obvious, or perhaps exposure to the
>"sunlight" of public scrutiny ...
  ^^^^^^^^

Just a point of clarification.  Sunlight killing a vampire in large part is
a creation of Hollywood/Hammerwood/popular fiction/comics, etc.  Of course,
that doesn't affect the point you two were discussing.  However, all of the
major 19th Century vampires in English literature could get about in the
daytime.  (Now that I've re-read that last sentence, I realize I need to
identify who I'm taking as the "major" players:  Sir Francis Varney, Lord
Ruthven, Carmilla, and Count Dracula.  BTW, since this posting originally
included a feminist thread, note the titles for the males...)  As for
vampire legend, there are clearly legends and 'eye-witness reports' of
day-time vampires.  As far as I can determine (anyone know any different?),
in none of the folk myths are vampires consumed or shriveled by light as
they are in the Hammer films.  Rather, in those legends that _do_ mention
daylight, a vampire caught by the rising sun will fall down dead.  Of
course, it is dead already.  So, the relevant question is, what happens when
the sun goes back down?  Since most legends mention this as being a good time
to decapitate and burn the monster, the implication seems to be that it has,
at best, temporarily lost its power.  Which fits in with the general premise
that witches, ghosts, etc, lose their power to do evil during the day (ex-
ceptions abound, as indicated above).  Simpler times (or a different defini-   
tion of evil), huh?
   
BTW - When you burn the body, you had better be sure to throw back into the
fire any bug, insect, animal, moth, etc. that tries to escape!   

Cheers -
			Claude




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