From: v094lrtr@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Brent Fiene)
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
Subject: Re: Working with Wolves
Date: 14 Sep 92 03:43:00 GMT
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In article <1992Sep11.135138.207@uwm.edu>, vkunch@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Virginia P Kunch) writes...
>In article <BuF1M8.I89@acsu.buffalo.edu> v094lrtr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Brent Fiene) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep11.021124.23688@cbnewsc.cb.att.com>, joi@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (JMM) writes...
>>>In article <BuDoCC.J6A@acsu.buffalo.edu> v094lrtr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Brent Fiene) writes:
>>>>In article <1992Sep10.184445.25108@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, motto@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto) writes...
>>>>>In article <BuDBns.Aw4@acsu.buffalo.edu> rmr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Richard M. Romanowski) writes:
>>>>>>pierccm@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Anyone else out there interested in working with wolves as a career (or
>>>>>>>already working with them)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>	Well, you could go to Alaska with a 7.65 mm and shoot down the
>>>>>>damn airplanes ... and anybody who crawls out of them alive ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>	... but assuming you don't have an automatic weapon handy, you 
>>>>>>could do something more constructive ... like sabotage the planes on 
>>>>>>the ground.
>>>>>(some more suggestions deleted)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>OWooOOOOOoooooOOOO
>>>>>>Rick
>>>>>Rick -
>>>>>Why do you advocate killing of humans?  Why do you advocate sabotage?
>>>>>Don't humans have a right to live that is equal to the wolves?  Aren't
>>>>>humans part of the animal kingdom?
>>>>>Mary Otto
>>>>
>>>>saying that hunting is legal is saying that we are a superior species.
>>>>we have alot to learn from wolves(and other species). i advocate the
>>>>hunting and killing of sane murderers who kill for the fun of it. if you
>>>>dont like it... go to hell!
>>>>
>>>>-brent
>>> 
>>>Wolves hunt.  Wolverines also hunt--for the fun of it.  Weasles have been
>>>known to slaughter an entire hen house and leave it.  That also sounds
>>>like hunting "for the fun of it".
>>
>>if i had a hen house, i would shoot that weasle. as for the the wolves
>>hunting, that is survival of the fittest. the animals they catch are
>>the diseased and crippled, etc. the slaughter of these is a necessary
>>evil, sadly. BUT, if humans went hunting with no weapons (well, i'll
>>let them bring a knife) i would not say a word. they would then be
>>catching the diseased and lame, and helping that species.
>>
>>> 
>>>It's not very constructive to insult and condemn out of hand.  Humans are
>>>part of the animal kingdom, and the biggest fault I see is not recognizing
>>>that we are PART of nature and must regain that sense of living with and 
>>>not against the rest of nature.
>>> 
>>>Incidentally, saying things like "do nature a favor, stay the hell away
>>>from it" fails to recognize that we are a part of it.  We don't have to
>>>destroy when we appreciate.
>>
>>sorry, but we are too far away from nature, that is a fault of our
>>forefathers. the only thing all but a handful of us can do now is
>>destroy it.
>>> 
>>>Fanaticism on either side of environmental issues will never solve the
>>>problems that we've created.  It only creates more problems and fuels
>>>the fires that destroy.
>>
>>they say the same thing about government revolutions. the ones leading
>>the revoultions in their respective ex-communist countries were called
>>fanatics by there governments.
>>> 
>>>I can understand the anger you're displaying.  I sometimes get very angry,
>>>too--and definitely very sad to see beautiful creatures destroyed by
>>>thoughtless or callous individuals.  The key is *education* and understanding
>>>the other points of view.  That way we can persuade, convince, and preserve
>>>what we most love, without becoming destroyers ourselves.
>>
>>sorry again. but the point of view you ask me to understand is that its
>>ok to kill wildlfe because they are inferior to us (basically they could
>>not produce firearms). i will never agree with this.
>>> 
>>>	Joy Metcalf
>>
>>-brent
> 
>It seems to me that you're presenting a very simplistic and romanticized 
>version of wolves and hunting.  First of all, wolves do NOT only kill the
>lame, diseased, old, etc.  They are opportunists by nature and will kill
>what they can catch -- if that happens to be a young, healthy animal, so
>be it.

what they can catch is not young and healthy, the young and healthy animals
can get away. i am talking the majority anyways.
> 
>I don't think anyone on this network believes that wolves (or other wildlife
>for that matter) are (is?) inferior to humans, especially because they 
>cannot produce firearms -- Come on... let's not be antagonistic, shall we?
not antagonistic... realistic
> 
>The problem of wolf ecology is a global problem.  Terrorist activities, such
>as shooting down aircraft, is bound to give environmental activists a bad
>name and thereby thwart our efforts to improve the ecology of the planet.  I
>already know what kind of response I'm going to get to that, but ...
> 
>And, by the way, can we please watch the language a bit, here?  It could
>cause problems to the network, the sender, etc.  Besides, there are other
>ways to express strong emotions.

nothing personal, but you are kind of being a panzy about this. you think
with your big words and fancy talk you can cover up the fact that you
refuse to take a stand or make a point. i do , however, apoligize for my
language, but i get passionate about this.

-brent

> 
>-g. kunch
>vkunch@csd4.csd.uwm.edu