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From: owen@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:34:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Auburn University, AL

In article <8OCT199216495658@tirith.carleton.edu>, stearnss@tirith.carleton.edu (Samurai Vaxgeek) writes:
> No contest. Auburn. the very mention of the word makes my blood start to boil.
> I hate Auburn with a passion. It's a big big rivalry. Tennessee, on the other
> hand, i have a good deal of respect for. I usually root for them outside of our
> game (for some strange reason) OBAuburnJoke: What does Auburn stand for?
> Alabama Usually Beats Us RedNecks. (from a few years ago, before Auburn got
> good.) The Tennessee games may have been better games, but you had more
> recruiting wars and family splits with auburn.

Better Auburn joke: If 2 Auburn graduates got married to each other, and a
year later got a divorce, would they still be first cousins?

Alabama joke: An Auburn and an Alabama student from the same small town
are home during a break, and are walking down a country road together.
They pass an old hound dog on the side of the road licking his privates.
Auburn student: Don't you wish you could do that?
Bama student: Man, that dog would bite you!
(okay, so something's lost without the voice inflections)

(This is the sort of thing that goes on around the water cooler in every,
and I mean *every*, office or factory year round in Alabama.)

> Tennesee-Alabama is a good bet to be televised. At least in the South. Last
> year, though, i saw it up here in Minnesota. And if any non-big10 game is
> televised up here, it's a big game. Auburn-Alabama is a certainty. no question.
> probably by ABC or CBS and it'll be the national game. This has been helped i
> think in some years by it being on a Friday. but i'm not sure about that.
> Anecdote: when the Auburn wimps finally got the game down in Auburn, there were
> Alabama fans buying season tickets to Auburn games just to get a ticket for
> that game. now that's big.

According to one of the Birmingham papers, Alabama-Tennessee will be a regional
telecast (on ABC, I think).  Anybody outside the south that wants to see it
can contact their cable company and get it on pay-per-view (or get a dish).
Auburn-Alabama will be nationally televised (again, on ABC, I think), and
if I'm not mistaken, it's on Thanksgiving Day this year (I don't have a
schedule or my tickets handy, but that's what the paper said).

Larry Owen
From: UCPL081@UNLVM.UNL.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Nebraska - 55, OSU - 0
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:57:11 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska

It was a pretty surprising game.  I thought OSU's defense would be able
to give Grant and Frazier (QBs) some trouble but they didn't.  I know
OSU didn't have much of an offense, but I was surprised that they couldn't
move the ball at all.  Nebraska has one week off and then will face Missouri
and then Colorado on Halloween.  We'll all find out how much Missouri has
improved and/or how much Colorado has or hasn't improved it's new offense.
I think the NU vs CU game will be the one to watch.  If CU can pass well
against Nebraska who has always had trouble with it's pass defense it could
go well for the Buffs.  But I'm optimistic, and I'm sure (with the experience
gained from playing relatively well in the Washington game) Nebraska will
come through on top.
 
Conrad Castaneda
U of Nebraska-Lincoln
From: mcneil@cs.utk.edu (Martin McNeil)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Third Saturday of October
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:26:43 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennessee, Knoxville

Well, once again it is time for the annual Tennessee-Bama clash. And once
again as many times in the past, this has SEC Championship implications.
Tennessee cannot afford another conference loss because it is highly
unlikely that the Bulldogs of Georgia will lose again although the Swamp
Lizards might have something to say about that. If Tennessee wins, it will
be an easy road to the Dec. 5 Championship game in B'ham. The Vols remaining
conference slate includes South Carolina, Kentucky, and Vanderbilt. Bama
however, has more to lose because they are still in the MNC hunt, being
number 4 in the AP. Furthermore, they still have tough games against 
Mississippi State and Auburn. A win Saturday will go a long way towards
acheiving the SEC West crown. 

Being a Vol fan, I can tell you exactly what to expect from the Vol game plan.
Actually, you don't need to be a Vol fan to know what to expect. In fact,
its so predictable, its embarrassing. Tennessee's Johnny Majors will revive
his 4-11 vs Bama game plan this week after the warm-up against Arkansas :(
Look for Tennessee to run the ball against the Tide's Iron Curtain of a 
defense. 1-2-3 Punt! Tennessee will only make very short and safe passes, but
not often because Tennessee will never throw on their side of the field in
the first half OR the second until they're so far behind that they have to 
throw and the Tide knows they have to throw. It will be run-it-down-your-throat
in-your-face smash-mouth football. And it won't work. 

However, it will be a very defensive and close game until the fourth quarter
when something BIG happens. David Palmer? Maybe. Usually, the BIG play is
in favor of the Tide at which point the Vol Dam breaks. Make it 7 in a row 
against the one team that has plagued the Vols consistently over the years.

ON THE OTHER HAND,
perhaps the loss to Arkansas last week made Mr. Majors take notice that a
conservative game plan won't work this week either. Or maybe its about time
that the BIG play at the end of the game went in the Vols favor this year.
In fact, I think that's what will happen. Tennessee wins (barely) with a
score of 13-10 (if that much). Georgia loses and Bama is set back.
Then there will be a re-match in December where we use the same game plan
and Alabama modifies theirs and wins the SEC Championship. A microcosm of the
series. Tennessee is a thorn in their flesh, but the Tide has the last laugh.

Consider this an Anti-Woof.
Damn the Tide!
Go Vols!

Martin McNeil

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: hip@a.cs.okstate.edu (HUFFMAN BRADLEY SP)
Subject: Need words to Stanford fight song
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 20:29:19 GMT

Could someone quickly mail me the words to the Stanford fight song.
Thanks in advance.

Brad
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: hhll@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Hodas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college,uw.forsale
Subject: HUSKY TIX FOR SALE (Pac.U, Stanford)
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:58:45 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

Once again I am posting for a friend without net access who wants to sell
tickets for the Pacific University and Stanford games on 10/24 and 10/31,
respectively. These are GENERAL ADMISSION EAST END BLEACHER seats and
there are two for each game.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Ohio State game thoughts
Reply-To: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:58:01 GMT


In article <1992Oct12.173445.22828@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu>, alan@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Alan Martin) writes:
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|> From: alan@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Alan Martin)
|> Subject: Re: Ohio State game thoughts
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|> 
|> doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel) writes:
|> 
|> >6. What does Cooper have to do to keep his job?  . . .
|> >        . . . . . . . . . . . . .  I think he's got to either beat Michigan
|> >or win a bowl game to stave off the wolves.  He'll be in real trouble if we
|> >lose to Iowa, Michigan, and a bowl game (a real possibility).  If so, start
|> >getting those short lists ready.  I'll go first and suggest Glen Mason.  He
|> >was one of the leading contenders when Cooper was hired.  Since then, Mason
|> >has turned Kansas around while Cooper has struggled at Ohio State.
|> 
|> Excuse me, but can't we at least finish the season before people start
|> taking our coach away from us?  We all know that we'll have to endure another
|> off-season of rumors about who's going to grab him, but, geez, give us a
|> chance to at least have a winning season or something.
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 					Al
|> 					alan@wraith.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu
                                                              ^^^^^^
Waitaminute! Who's stealing who? Just when the team was turning around?
People who go to glass schools ....

John Murphy murphy@rock.enet.dec.com  Illinois 90/92
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:11:25 GMT

In article <W_7-k#_@engin.umich.edu> chyang@langshan.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
>
>
>	That was the 2nd or 3rd game of the season.  How can you tell 
>how good a teams is that early?  

Well, the same reasoning applies to Nebraska too.. how do you know they 
*didn't* improve by the end of the season?

>	There has not been a team that dominate since the 1972 USC squad.
>I think it will be a while before we see any team like the 91-92' Huskies
>again.

Well, last years Miami is a better bet.

>	Just look at NFL and count how many PAC-10 players are drafted last
>year and how many starting Quarterback (and back up) are from PAC-10 and 
>you will get an idea how good PAC-10 is.  

NFL is different from college football.. many of the stars didn't even play
div 1-A ( Eagle's Cunningham ?). Also, many players became good after being
a pro for a while (Moon, Ripen). What does that got to do with the conference
they played in?

On the other hand, take a look at the # of NCs PAC 10 has won in the last
10 years. How many PAC 10 teams has won? Even big 8 has more NCs and
probably more top 5 finishes.

>- Chung Yang

Njan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dmath@bluehen.wustl.edu (David Mathias)
Subject: Dunkel ratings
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:59:49 GMT


If anyone out there has access to this week's Dunkel ratings would you
please post the ratings for the Delaware vs Villanova game?

Thanks,

-- 

David Mathias    Washington University in St Louis    dmath@bluehen.wustl.edu

               The University of Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Subject: BYU vs. Fresno State
Summary: should he or shouldn't he?
Keywords: 4th and an inch
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:14:10 GMT

OK, Cougar faithful who saw the Fresno State game -- did Lavell goof?
In the fourth quarter, with a six point lead, BYU went for a 4th and
inches play.  We made the play (and then the touchdown), but it was
in easy field goal range, and a 9 point lead with <2 minutes left would
have iced the win.

Of course, considering that Lauder missed the extra point, it doesn't look
too bad.  Maybe Lavell's psychic.

--
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic

  "It is considered good to look wise, especially when not 
   overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jwilson@homeboy.msfc.nasa.gov (Jackie Wilson - BCSS)
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Reply-To: jwilson@homeboy.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: Boeing Computer Support Services
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:59:23 GMT

In article 5733@news2.cis.umn.edu, milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC)) writes:
>I was discussing the SEC championship scenario with a friend of mine who is
>an avid Tennesee fan. He claims that the UT/BAMA game ('the third Saturday
>in October') is the biggest rivalry in the country, and if
>Tennesee manages to beat Bama the first time around and both teams play in
>the championship, it will be the 'biggest event in the south since the
>burning of Atlanta'. Do 'Bama fans view the rivalry in the same way? Is
>the 'third Saturday in October' always the most important game of the year 
>for you? As a Michigan fan and alum, I 'grew up' believing that no rivalry
>could be as intense as the Michigan-OhioState game. After reading this
>newsgroup, I hear about Notre Dame-USC and THE GAME between Cal and Stanford.
>
>What are the biggest, oldest, most intense rivalrys in the country and are
>they as intense to both teams?

The Bama /UT game doesn't even come close to the Auburn/Alabama game.
When Bama played Auburn at Jordan-Hare for the first time (and until next
year the only time) there were probably close to 90,000 people in a stadium 
that seats around 85,000.  They showed the game on a big screen in the 
basketball coliseum and sold a substantial number of tickets for $5 a pop
to the poor souls who couldn't get a ticket into the game.  You gotta remember
that Auburn, AL is not in a metropolitan area :^)

I don't think that you can compare a Notre Dame/USC or Michigan/Ohio State
rivalry to AU/UA.  Mainly for this reason:  South Bend is a looong way from 
California and even Michigan and Ohio are seperated by a state line.  Most folks
in Alabama have family members on different sides of the rivalry!!  When I 
attended AU, if Bama beat Auburn it was hard to go home for Christmas break 
knowing my sister and brother-in-law were waiting with "How many Auburn 
players does it take to screw in a lightbulb?" jokes.  Does it end after a week?
a month? 6 months?  No way man.  It goes on until it is settled on the field the
following year.  Case in point: it is not unusual at all to still see bumper stickers
and t-shirts with the slogan "Punt Bama Punt".  If memory serves, that infamous
game to place in 1972.  Anyway, Go Bama!!  and take Tennessee with you!!

Jackie Wilson
Boeing Computer Support Services

In reference to the recent Wimp Sanderson scandal at UA and the ongoing
Eric Ramsay (is a pansy) scandal at AU, this is the slogon of choice in Auburn,

          "We may pay our players but we don't beat our women"
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:53:05 EDT
From: <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: PENN STATE BEATS MIAMI!!!!!

On Saturday afternoon, the Penn State Nittany Lions beat the Miami Hurricanes
in every statistical category except for return yards, and the most important
one, interceptions.  Given the facts that Miami was dominated by Penn State
in every category and the 'Canes still won (Gino 11-31  80 yards) then one has
to make the following assumption :
                           No. 1  MIAMI
                               2  Washington
                               3  Michigan
                               4  Florida State
                               5  Texas A + M
                               ---------------
                               7  Penn State - get Boston College this week!!!



                                                      -The Nittany Lion
                                                       (Joepa is still proud!)
From: echen@hardy.u.washington.edu (Ed Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:46:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct12.204619.25867
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

A point that haven't been discussed so far....

	Re: Closeness of the UW-Cal game

	  Remember Gilbertson was UW's Offensive Coordinator last year.  Even
	  if Cal totally sucked this year they would have still been a tough
	  opponent for UW.  Just look at what Walsh did to Holtz.

						Ed
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Miami - FSU
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 05:13:44 GMT

News-Software: NN 6.4.16



>jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Go Ahead and Hate Me, I'm a Cane" Fawcett) writes:

>
>NCAA Rule Book ( Rule 7c in the section on snapping and passing the ball)
>
>Rule 7C " IF ANY ILLEGAL PASS IS THROWN FROM THE END ZONE,  THE OFFENDED
>TEAM MAY ACCEPT A SAFETY OR DECLINE THE PENALTY AND ACCEPT THE RESULT OF
>THE PLAY."

|From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn "I love Dogs" Tanner)

|If you'll look around in your little book some more, I'm sure you find a 
|rule that says something like, "Any forward pass which is not caught before 
|the ball hits the ground shall be ruled incomplete."  Thus, if you want to 
|decline the penalty and take the play, which was an incomplete pass, it would
|be FSU`s ball at the 1-2 yard line.  Why that official signaled TD is beyond


True, but there is also a rule that a complete pass, must be a legal pass.
Since that one was illegal it couldn't be completed.  IMHO Rule 7C, is a 
judgement rule that leaves it to the discretion of the referee.  I do 
know one rule.

              " THE HEAD REFEREE HAS THE FINAL AUTHORITY ".

I don't care to argue that call, or any bad call in that game.  My opinion
of Joe Ridder the head referee, will never change. 

What I would like to know is,  Why are the Referees paid by the conference
and not the NCAA.

If Notre Dame had their own referees that are paid by ND, would you trust
them to be fair in a game.  Would you trust someone like Florida that has
paid player, to control the game referees. Ok, how about Miami.

This game has no value, unless the referee's are impartial.  They can't
be impartial as long as one side pays the referees pay checks.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dostalik@utdallas.edu (Bill Dostalik)
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Keywords: FSU?????
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:29:52 GMT

In article <Bw0q8I.n2x.1@cs.cmu.edu> bnoble+@cs.cmu.edu (Brian Noble) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.035401.6336@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>>>No chance.. I think Miami is going to stay unbeaten now which means they
>>>will be playing the highest ranked available team in some bowl game
>>>which probably will be A&M or FSU given their current ranking... There is
>>                               ^^^
>>Um, is this even possible? I thought that there was some rule that said that
>>two teams could not play each other twice in one season. Am I wrong? I must
>>say that I wouldn't mind the matchup though. Bowden would finally lose a
>>bowl game!

After the '78 season OU played Nebraska a second time in the OB.  Taking revenge
for their only loss during the season.

>>Kevin.

    OOOO           Bye Gardere, forever! Ouch! 
   O    O     =================================== |     Bill Dostalik
   O  U O  U          Oklahoma Sooners            | dostalik@utdallas.edu
   O  U O  U  National College Football Champions |    Dept. of Physics    
    OOOO   U     1950 1955 1956 1974 1975 1985    | Univ. of Okla. @ Dallas    
      U    U  =================================== | 
       UUUU                                       |  "Oh, yeah?"  "Yeah."

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mchenry@BAEPV4.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: ACC Preview
Reply-To: mchenry@BAEPV4.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:10:15 GMT

In article <1bki4sINNd8q@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell) writes:
>
>10/17/92 Games and Predictions
>------------------------------
>
>DUKE AT CLEMSON: Clemson may have salvaged their season with a stunning
>comback win over Virginia last week. Louis Solomon will start at 
>Quarterback in place of Richard Moncrief, who has been less than
>impressive so far this season. The Tigers should be able to run all
>over Duke. Clemson 35 Duke 21
>

Agreed.





>FLORIDA STATE AT GEORGIA TECH: Georgia Tech had a surprisingly close
>game against Maryland last week. At home in Atlanta, they should be able
>to give the Seminoles a good game. This one should be a relatively 
>low scoring game, dominated by defense. In the end, however, I think
>FSU is too deep and too fast to lose to Georgia Tech.
>Florida State 24 Georgia Tech 16
>

I think it will be more like FSU 34 GT 16 .




>WAKE FOREST AT MARYLAND: At last, time for Maryland to win an ACC
>game. Wake blew out Vanderbilt 40-6 last week, which was surprising.
>This one may be close, but the Terrapins know this is one of their
>few chances for a conference win and they are at home.
>Maryland 34 Wake Forest 27
>


I'd go with Maryland too but I exepct them to win by more than a TD.



>VIRGINIA AT NORTH CAROLINA: Virginia has a horrible defense against
>the run, which we all saw last Saturday. Bobby Goodman has not played
>well the past 2 games and Terry Kirby is out for 3 weeks. (So he will
>probably miss the Florida State game also). Charles Way will fill in
>at running back, but Kirby is also one of UVa's leading recievers.
>Fortunatly for the Cavaliers, UNC's defense isn't as good as Clemson's.
>UVa should be able to beat the Tar Heels, but this one will go down to
>the wire. Virginia 24 North Carolina 23
>

The talk in Tarheel land is that if Mack cannot beat Virginia
considering Virginia's tough loss to Clemson and the loss of
Terry Kirby that it may be the beginning of the end of the
Mack Brown error :-) at UNC . The Heels have their best chance at
an upset this year and if they lose they can forget playing in 
a bowl because I doubt they can recover from another tough loss. 
I think Carolina will win this game, make it UNC 28 UVa 20 .



>NORTH CAROLINA STATE AT VIRGINIA TECH: NC State's defense should have
>no problem stopping Tech's young, mistake prone offense. Even if the
>Wolfpack offense isn't able to put up big numbers Saturday, they should
>have no problems with the Hokies. NC State 27 Virginia Tech 10.
>


Agreed.


>-- 
>Charlie Cockrell                          VV     VV 1991 Men's Soccer Champs.
>NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Va. VV   VV  1992 Men's NIT Champions  
>U.Va. School of Engineering, Class of 1990  VV VV   1992 Women's ACC BB Champs.
>(These are my opinions only)                 VVV     NCAA East Regional Champs.



KRM
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael L Nelson)
Subject: Va Tech and UVa predictions
Keywords: hoos suck.
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:28:17 GMT


Last Week:
Va Tech was idle (or Va Tech didn't lose!!!)

UVa 35 @ Wake Forest 17 (?)
predicted: UVa 45 Wake Forest 0

my record 6-1

Virginia Tech @ Lousiville

The hokies had a week off after dropping a 16-7 game
to WVU at home.  I can never figure out Lousiville.
They have struggled all season, but played Syracuse
and Ohio State very close.  Everyone knew that this
season would be a rebuilding year for Va Tech.  Everyone
except Kevin and I.  We were really thinking we had
a shot at 8-3.  3-8 or 4-7 seems more likely now.

But I don't care about all of that now.  All I want
is to beat UVa.  Thats all I want...  I can almost 
taste it.

I'll go with my heart this week:
Va Tech 23 Lousiville 22

Clemson @ Virginia

The wahoos are on a big time roll.  Clemson is 2-2
with its wins over a IAA team and a so-so MAC team.
Not impressive.  Hatfield has never beaten UVa.  I
stated last season I think the Clemson program is
in a state of decline.  They're not on the skids or
anything, but have been eclipsed by other programs.
Someone needs to put those hoos in their place, but
I don't think the tigers are up for the job.

UVa 27 Clemson 16

Michael Nelson

Go Hokies!!!  Go Tigers!!!