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From: mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: STEROIDS AND SUPPLEMENTS AND ME
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:46:31 GMT

In article <17553@umd5.umd.edu>, silver@yorick.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
> 
>         Well, that's where it's a little unclear.  I have mentioned on several
> occasions that what I am doing is not a "scientific" study of the use of
> steroids because I don't have the money or equipment to do such a "study."
> I am doing a general "study" on steroids.  What I'm really doing is taking
> steroid users (using their own black market bought steroids) and comparing
> them to regular weight lifters.  The reason I started to do any of this
> stuff was to prove that steroids do increase muscular mass and strength.
> I was doing this just for my school newspaper at first.  I was just trying to
> disprove the media's lies that steroids don't work for increasing mass and
> strength but only "kill."

That's great. Unfortunately, Bill Phillips has said (and he knows more than
I do, so I can't really argue with him) that 90%, perhaps more, of the so-
called "steroids" now on the black market are counterfeit. Seems to me that
before you can do a study on the effect of steroids, you need to determine 
that your study group is really taking steriods. Have you had any of the
steroids independently analyzed? Do you carefully log dosages? 



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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Heart Rates etc, request for advice
From: galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 18:36:51 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

jem@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Joan McGalliard) writes:

> 
> I don't have much spare time, so I am trying to get fit the
> "easy" way, by cycling to work.  I thought I was getting
> about 40 minutes of aerobic exercise each working day.  Then
> the other day I had to run for a train.  It was a short run,
> but by the time I was seated, I was panting, and my pulse
> was pounding in my ears.  My guess is that I am coasting to
> work, and not really getting my heart beat up to an aerobic
> pace.
> 
> So, what do others here do to ensure they are working hard
> enough?  Do you stop for 10 seconds to take your pulse,
> learn to recognise the right intensity or what.  I am
> thinking of purchasing a heart rate monitor - would that be
> helpful or is it just a silly gadget?
> 
> If anyone thinks a monitor would be a good idea, what
> features do you think I need or might want?  Brand names are
> less important, as I live in Australia and they may not be
> the same here.
> 
> Email, if you prefer, and I will summarise to the net if
> there is sufficient interest.
> 
> If this is on a FAQ, can someone tell me where to ftp from, 
> as I couldn't find it here.
> 
> joan
> -- 
>  "It's better to live on your     Joan McGalliard, 
>   feet than to die on your        Australian Computing and 
>   knees."                         Communications Institute.
>                                   (borrowing latcs1)


Joan:
A lot will depend on *how* you ride your bike for fitness. Cruising at a 
steady pace for long distances doesn't do as much for cardiovascular 
fitness as short bursts of high speed/hard work. Cyclists call this 
"interval training" and there is a bicycles newsgroup full of folks who 
can tell you a lot more about it than I can.

Best wishes,
G.

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From: brianw@.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Brian Williams)
Subject: low heart rates
Reply-To: brianw@.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Brian Williams)
Organization: NCR Corporation, Rancho Bernardo
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:11:17 GMT

|> Maybe resting heart rate is hereditary, and not determined by your aerobic
|> conditioning?
|> 
|> By the way, I read that Bjorn Borg's was 35!  Anybody heard of lower?
|> 
>   I seem to remember reading that Miguel Indurain's (2X winner of the
>   Tour de France, Giro di Italia, etc) is in the high 20's!!!!!!!!!!!!


    I seem to remember reading that Ron Clarke, famous Australian distance
runner in the 1960's had a resting pulse of 28 beats/minute.

Brian Williams
(personal best of 38 beats/minute)

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From: chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Too late to build?
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:01:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Pooh Corner Country Club -- A Planned Community

rick@psg.com (Rick Buhagiar) writes:

>I want to start working out in a Gym, but at 25 am I too late to begin body
>building?

I started working out in May at age 34 and weight 307. If it wasn't too late
for me, it's not too late for anyone.

I'll never be Lee Haney, but by God, I'll be the best me I can be, which is
all that matters.

>Would Amino acids help in any way, and how should they be taken
>(after or before exercise?).

Don't put the cart before the horse. Start working out and worry about
getting in shape. Let your supplementation follow from your workouts and
your needs (if you need any). What's important is the exercise.

>Whats the
>best method to motivate oneself after long periods of laziness?

Whatever works. (seriously). Everyone's motivation factors are different.For
me, it was an interest in playing Ice Hockey and doing nature photography.
It's VERY unlikely that anyone else has the same motivations.

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From: bine@betty.gmd.de (Sabine Hubrig-Schaumburg)
Subject: Re: Weight Lifting - Magic Numbers
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:05:09 GMT

betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz) writes:

>How about women?? What sort of weights should a healthy woman, who is
>not a "power" weight-trainer, be able to lift?
>  I can do 3 sets of 10 reps at 40 lbs, and I am 5"2" 143. When I
>started I could just shift 40 lbs, but not do sets. Now I think I
>could shift twice that (by shift I mean "lift once and have trouble")

well, if you mean the bench-press with 'lift' (I'll never get used to the
american terms for what we're doing :-), then I'm doing a set of 12-15
with 40kg (which is 90lbs) to warm up and then usually 3-5 sets of 8 reps with 
50kg (110lbs), which is not THAT much, but I seem to be the only woman here to
do so. 

In fact there are few women, who bench-press at all, and then even less that
use the free weights (we have some arrangement with chains at the sides so you
don't have to balance the weight, just push it up, which helps if you're not
that used to it or don't have a partner to rescue you :-)

I started to do some more some months ago, but then we bought a house and the
renovation hold me away from the gym from august to november and now I'm just
back were I left and hoping to get better... My max will be around my
boyweight, but for one rep of course (as that's what I understand to be a max).

I'm 32 come january and 5'9" with approximately 145lbs (it varies from 140 to
150 because I can't resist cooking pasta&pizza :-) and started to do some
weights 3 years ago, for 2-3 days a week.

>I was excited about how far I was going with the Gravitron and free
						  ^^^^^^^^^
don't know that, but that's not surprising, I think, we just started to get
some feeling for that stuff here in the "old world", there's not that much
fitness-centers or gyms here yet.

>weights...then I got onto an arrangement of bars with no support. I
>can only do a few dips at my full weight. I think I will see if I can
>do chin-ups tonight. 
>  I wonder what percentage of women on the street can do chin-ups, and
>how many chin-ups the average exercising woman can do?

what's a "chin-up"? if you'd be so kind to explain in simple words, I'd try to
reply and give you my "magic number".

>Of course, I am measuring my own progress against myself, and how I
>feel. I'm just curious <grin> aren't we all?

yes
ANNA (Sa)bine
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From: disraeli@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jamie Lara Bronstein)
Subject: Re: Low Body Fat Percentage but Spare Tire
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 17:05:08 GMT

Two years ago I lost 70 pounds, and have successfully kept it off since then.
By doing a lot of Stairmaster, step aerobics, walking and swimming, I
have gotten down to a body fat percentage of 18 (I am female), but I still
have flabby upper arms and stomach (where I used to carry a lot of the
extra weight). Is there anything I can do to tighten up these areas short
of losing extra pounds? Because I am comfortable with my weight as it is
(122 -- I am 63" tall), just not with its present rather lopsided 
distribution!! Any suggestions much appreciated.

Jamie Bronstein
From: mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Suntan pills?
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:33:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.033100.11652@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> 
> Canthaxanthin is a carotenoid, chemeically related to beta-carotene.
> However beta-carotene is a vitamin-A precursor, and canthaxanthin
> is not.
> 
> >Do these things work?  
> 
> Well, they turn you orange.

I'll second Steve on that! I'm English. I have skin that's not white so
much as *translucent*. So, of course, I want a great-looking tan. I
was taking canthaxanthin for a while, but I guess I took too much,
and it looked...well...really stoopid. It's not any fun being orange.
So now I'm kind of resigned to looking pasty most of the time. :-(



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From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Bodybuilding: Is three days enough?
Keywords: mass, weights
Date: 12 Dec 92 18:44:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Dec12.184400.6605
Organization: Western Washington University

scott@bell.b17a.ingr.com (Scott Bell) writes:
>   Workout is: Bench - 6 sets/6 reps per set
>               Chest Crunches - 8/6
>               Military Press: 6/6
>               Shoulder Shrugs - 6/8
>               Curls - 6/8
>               Tricep Press - 6/6
>               Each is 100% weight capability(?) on every set.

I take it you have no legs?    8-)
JD
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From: scott@bell.b17a.ingr.com (Scott Bell)
Subject: Re: IRONMAN: bench how to question.. Serious inquiries only
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:59:11 GMT

In article <12m2nhd@rpi.edu>, cecchinr@gehrig.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec16.180358.17733@walter.cray.com> glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner) writes:
|> >
|> >(I don't have the article with me so bear with me...)
|> >
|> >If anyone read the latest (Jan.) edition and understands the part about
|> >doing a "Pec" bench press by rolling your shoulders under and pressing
|> >them down..(something like that)  Could you explain to me how to do this
|> >without an excessive arch in the back?  
|> > 
       << "delt presser" and "pec presser" talk deleted... >>
|> >
|> >Thanks
|> >-- 
|> >glex@nitro.cray.com  === "Difficult tasks are never easy..."
|> 
|> Hi,
|> 
|>   You don't have to "excessively arch" your back to properly set up
|> your ribcage.  But you do have to get your shoulders back and down
|> a bit.  In other words, you don't want to bench with your shoulders "rounded"
|> or "rolled forward", 'cause then you're working too much front delts.
|> 
|>   To understand the feel, throw your shoulders back (right now, at your
|> desk) and stick your chest out.  Now extend your arms.  See how your
|> chest is still sticking out and is contracted?  Now let your shoulders come
|> forward and again extend your arms straight out.  See how  your pecs
|> completely flatten out (basically, disappear) because they are no longer
|> contracted?  Thats the feel you're after...
|> 
|> Hope this helps.
|> 
|> Ron
|> 

    I've also seen benches that are narrow enough to allow your shoulder blades
    to 'go under' the bench when coming down w/ the bar. This looks a little
    uncomfortable, but it would allow you to flatten your pecs without arching
    your back or trying to contort your body.

    FYI...
    Scott
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From: dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
Subject: Re: Pulse Monitors
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:00:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.194423.22626@wam.umd.edu> sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell) writes:
>I've thought about investing in a pulse monitor.  I've heard they are
>expensive, 100 dollars and up.  I've also read complaints on the net
>that they malfunction around exercise machines with electronic displays.
>
>I use a lifecyle step machine and a schwin aerodyne bike so this concerns
>me.  Can these monitors be used on such machines?  If so, what are the
>good brands to buy?  I dont mind ancedotal experiences.  Id rather hear
>someone's predjudices who bought and tried one of these then hear a
>salseman's bullshit story.

	Also, what about those Casio watches that have a pulse monitor feature?
Do they work?  I'm not too terribly good at finding and counting out my own
pulse...

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:34:24 EST
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Help w/Abdomen workout
Distribution: na
 <horwath.723933245@geode11> <wf9sV0e00Vp5ItikoX@andrew.cmu.edu>
 <75473@apple.apple.COM>

Hi, I have my own question on abdominal exercises.  I have been working out
for 5 years now and I am in pretty good shape.  However, my abdominal muscles
are shaped strangely.  They have a reasonable amount of definition, but the two
sides of my body differ greatly because one set is offset about an inch above
the other set.  I have never been able to reverse this.  Is this genetics or
something I did while I got into shape?  I cannot detect any noticeable
favoring of one side when I do crunches and use an abdominal machine and I
can easily do 150-200 crunches and press 170 pounds on a Keiser abdominal
machine...

Scott
From: silver@yorick.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: STEROIDS AND SUPPLEMENTS AND ME
Date: 17 Dec 92 02:45:15 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <18150@autodesk.COM> mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook) writes:

>That's great. Unfortunately, Bill Phillips has said (and he knows more than
>I do, so I can't really argue with him) that 90%, perhaps more, of the so-
>called "steroids" now on the black market are counterfeit. Seems to me that
>before you can do a study on the effect of steroids, you need to determine 
>that your study group is really taking steriods. Have you had any of the
>steroids independently analyzed? Do you carefully log dosages? 
>
>
>
>--
>Death to all fanatics!!
>
>Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

Yes, I do carefully log dosages.  No, I don't have the juice analyzed.  I
don't have the money for that.  I can tell if they are using real stuff by
their increases.  They are carefully watched before any drugs are taken.
If they have significant gains, well, they are using good stuff.

This is why this "not really a study" study is not going to be in JAMA.  It's
just for regular joe shmoes to look at to see what steroids can really do.
The media still believes that steroids don't really help you that much.
They are starting to come around though.  This is a FUN study.  I'm justing
documenting what I observe.

To do a REAL study and giving steroids to people is unethical as you know.
Right?  Notice they haven't done any studies on weight lifters, bodybuilder,
etc. using steroids.  It's a no-no.  I'm doing this for fun and to give my
info to the public.  It's basically backing Bill's book.

							-Adam

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From: bagdy@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Mark Bagdy)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:51:50 GMT
Subject: Re: sauna
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: misc.fitness

Here we go again...  taking an enjoyable recreation activity and 
optimizing the daylights out of it.  Sounds like work.  

I've got a sauna in the house.  I try to be health conscious.

Each sauna is different in duration, different in humidity (trow the water 
on or not?), different in cycles (do I have time to come out and lounge
and cool off, etc?).

I use it as an opportunity to relax and rejuvinate.  The effect on my *mind*
is just as important; and to me, that means - I don't want to listen to the
efficiency thread - just the enjoyment thread.

Mark (20.5 min @ 167degF with a 5 min 120degF shower for 3 cycles maximizes
      my enjoyment.  Please add .25L water to rocks on alternate side-of-the-
      street parking days...)

$SARCASM=OFF    :-)  :-) 
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From: cecchinr@gehrig.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini)
Subject: Re: IRONMAN: bench how to question.. Serious inquiries only (CORRECTION)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:07:48 GMT

In article <12m2nhd@rpi.edu> cecchinr@gehrig.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini) writes:

[stuff deleted]

I said something that could be misconstrued as an "oops!"...

>  You don't have to "excessively arch" your back to properly set up
>your ribcage.  But you do have to get your shoulders back and down
>a bit.  In other words, you don't want to bench with your shoulders "rounded"
>or "rolled forward", 'cause then you're working too much front delts.
>
>  To understand the feel, throw your shoulders back (right now, at your
>desk) and stick your chest out.  Now extend your arms.  See how your
>chest is still sticking out and is contracted?  Now let your shoulders come
>forward and again extend your arms straight out.  See how  your pecs
>completely flatten out (basically, disappear) because they are no longer
>contracted?  Thats the feel you're after...
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I should've said: Thats the feel you're NOT after; i.e.you want the 
first feel I described where your pecs are contracted.

Ron

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From: magdi@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Magdi N Azer)
Subject: Re: Schwinn Airdyne
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:12:16 GMT

We got a Schwinn Air-Dyne, and we couln't be happier.  Have had it for 3 years
wwith no problems. We use it primarily in the winter to stay in shape.  The
nice thing about the Air-Dyne is that you can work either arms or legs or both.
Also, since it uses wind resistance, doubling your speed increases the amount
of work you do by a factor of 8.  (This is because of the Fan Laws, but I 
digress).  WHat this means is you don't have to peddle over 60-70 revolutions
per minute to great a great CV workout.

Magdi N. Azer
magdi@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu
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From: pw@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Paul Wakenight)
Subject: Purification via sauna
Organization: Columbia University, Dept. of Biological Sciences.
Distribution: misc.fitness
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 05:03:03 GMT

I read an article about Steve Mcmich (?), the bodybuilder in which he said
that he stayed in the sauna 3 hours/day for 2-3 weeks.  Supposedly, he sweated
out all the poisons that had accumulated (steroids, etc.).  This is not the
first time I have heard of this.  If you know something about this, please
let me know.
Thanks.
pw
From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Do sit-ups make you thicker?
Date: 18 Dec 92 12:57:48 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In misc.fitness, hhll@stein.u.washington.edu (Steven Hodas) writes:
>I remember reading somewhere that conventional sit-ups actually serve to
>thicken your waist, rather than trim it. Does this make sense?

Yes, sit-ups strengthen your abs ie: make the muscles larger. To remove
the fat from your waist, you must do aerobic exercise and watch your
diet. Your calorie intake must be lower than your calories used to lose
the fat. You cannot turn the fat into muscle by doing sit-ups. Fat is
fat and muscle is muscle.

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From: dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell)
Subject: Re: Ergomania
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:35:03 GMT

tgross@cvbnet.prime.com (Tom Gross) writes:


>	I've been rowing on an Erg machine for about a year,
>	and for the past five months or so I've been doing "600 calorie"
>	workouts about 6 days a week.  I set the distance remaining to 
>	9999 and row down to 0 in about 46 minutes.  My best time is
>	43:40, and if my total calories is less than 600, I'll row some
>	more to round it up.  With the holidays now I've been making
>	a effort to do this every day, and I've done this workout 
>	every day for the past 12, for example.

I just got my Ergometer.  I love it.  It sounds to me like you're in
pretty good shape, already.  What's your resting heart rate?  If you
really want to workout try to match some of the sub-8 min 2500 meter
times in the listings from Concept II!

I've only had the machine 1.5 weeks and I've used it every day.  3500
meters is pretty rough for me right now, but I've got 20 pounds to lose.
Mostly, though, my arms feel it.  I don't really run out of breath.



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