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From: Terry.Bowden@f20.n772.z3.fidonet.org (Terry Bowden)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Practical Spreadsheets
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 11:15:04 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:772/20 - IBM NZ Ltd Gate, Auckland

Hi Steve,

SL>works) when it is explained to them, but when asked to utilize these
SL>concepts in constructing their OWN formula with regard to a problem, they
SL>are often stymied.

SL>I can understand their confusion, I suppose, as I was a TERRIBLE math
SL>student in high school.  Perhaps the problem is with ME?  I am considering
SL>the use of a math teacher in this unit for a couple of classes.
SL>Now, all I have to do is to find a math teacher in our school who will give
SL>up a little time to help me with this.  :-)

I had a problem with my daughter (so what's new?) - she used to earn
a little money doing a "paper run" - she went door-to-door collecting
payments for a newspaper. She had to keep track of all payments, add
up the total amount collected from 50 houses, and subtract the "float"
or change that she started with. Then she had to calculate 3% of the
result - which was her commission. This meant she had to also correlate
the totals of actual cash & cheques, with her collection book. If the
two did not balance, she had to go back and find out where the mistake
had been made.

She found this a VERY frustrating exercise. I got sick of all the
foot-stamping, crying and squeeling, so I took a look at what she
was trying to do. I'd like to say that I showed her how to create
a spreadsheet. But I took the quick way out, and wrote it myself.
Then I showed it to her, and asked if she'd like to try it. Up
until this point, she had always regarded the home computer rather
disdainfully. Something the younger kids played games on. Something
Dad did mysterious things with, tying up "her" phone line.

To cut the story short, she suddenly turned into an enthusiastic
"end user". No more tears, no more foot-stamping. And she got top
priority - games players had to give way to the "serious user".
The moral of the story is this:
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| Choose a spreadsheet application that is relevant to the user. |
+----------------------------------------------------------------+
If you can give enough information about the types of problems that
might prove useful to the children, and let them come out with
examples that fit their own requirements, then you are on to a winner.
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From: Shawn.Djernes@f116.n285.z1.fidonet.org (Shawn Djernes)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Driving Lc
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 16:46:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:285/116 - Central CC, Grand Island NE

Kevin

     The LC does not have a port to connect a regular external floppy 
drive.  My machine has one 3.5 internal and a 5.25 external for the Apple 
IIe card which the drive is pluged into the card. I like the LC fine 
except when it tells me it does not have enought memery to do something. I 
use Freddy 1.2 to read the mail and Zterm 0.9 for a communications 
program.  What do you use?

Shawn Djernes


 * Freddie 1.2 * ... Spock, I though you were dead!"    "I rebooted, Captain."


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From: Steve.Larson@p0.f10.n3402.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Larson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Spreadsheets.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 14:12:47 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3402/10.0 - Westwood High Schoo, Ft McMurray AB

In a message <12 Nov 92  19:13:00> to <Steve Larson> about <Spreadsheets.>,
John Feltham wrote:

 SL>With regard to spreadsheets, the biggest problem I encounter with my
 <etc. >

 JF> Have you tried using a lesson to work out these type of problems using
 JF> paper and pen first. Well away from the computers, in fact not even in
 JF> the same classroom.

No, I haven't tried this.  Good idea.  I'll give it a shot when I get to
that point.

 SL>Now, all I have to do is to find a math teacher in our school who will
 SL>give up a little time to help me with this.  :-)

 JF> Sorry, I can't help you from here!

Thanks anyway!  :-)
I DID find a math teacher who is willing to help.  Things are looking up!

Thanks for the input, John.

Regards,
Steve

... DO NOT ADJUST YOUR MIND - the fault is with reality.

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From: Steve.Larson@p0.f10.n3402.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Larson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Computer Education
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 22:57:34 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3402/10.0 - Westwood High Schoo, Ft McMurray AB

In a message <20 Nov 92  12:05:16> to <All Zaney People> about <Computer Education>,
Becky Ferreira wrote:

 BF> we're back ! We're still trapped in this computer! Is anyone going to
 BF> help us?  We are learning desktop publishing.  Will anyone please help
 BF> us to better understand this program.  If anyone knows anything about
 BF> desktop publishing please leave us a message. 

Becky (et al), what program and what type of machine are you using?
Have you looked in your library for books on desktop publishing?  Check
your local book store's computer section for books on this subject.
What kind of desktop publishing are you trying to do?  (Newspaper..or..?)

Regards,
Steve

... If at first you don't succeed, you're about average.

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From: Ian.Howard@f16.n258.z2.fidonet.org (Ian Howard)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: BUSINESS ED. PROJECT
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 21:40:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 2:258/16 - Teenage Retreat (23, Littleborough

Hi Gary!

On Tuesday November 17 1992, Gary Davis wrote a message to Ian Howard:

 GD>         I have a file that describes Main$treet, but it is on my other
 GD> computer.  I will send it to you as soon as I can.  It runs on any
 GD> ms-dos computer -- well, almost any (to paraphrase W.S. Gilbert).

If you want to send it direct to me then send it attached to a netmail at 2:258/17 and I should get it.

 GD> Thanks for your interest.  I'll get back to you as soon as I can.  By
 GD> the way, you wouldn't have an internet account by any chance?  Or
 GD> bitnet?  It's so much faster than this way.

Well apart from the FidoNet <> Internet gateway then no; although I should have a more direct one soon.  If you want to try that my address is below.

Best regards.
-- Ian.

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From: Shawn.Djernes@f116.n285.z1.fidonet.org (Shawn Djernes)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Macintosh!
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 13:06:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:285/116 - Central CC, Grand Island NE

Steve

     Freddy is not a word prosscer it is a Off-Line mail reader.  I have 
not heard of the program Second Sight.  I plan to start a bbs on my 
machine when I can aford to buy some additions such as a 1.2Gig harddrive, 
at least a 9600bps modem and more memery.  I have demo programs for both 
the First Class system and for TeleFinder which are both commersial.  I 
prefer TeleFinder but I do not know if it will allow online registration 
or confrience echoing such as this one.  Is there a demo copy of Second 
Sight made, if so could you send me the Manufacture name and Phone number. 
And what all can Vantage do?

Shawn Djernes 


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From: Kevin.Mccluskey@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Mccluskey)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: DRIVING LC
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 22:33:43 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB


 >      The LC does not have a port to connect a regular external 
 > floppy 
 > drive.  My machine has one 3.5 internal and a 5.25 external for the 
 > Apple 
 > IIe card which the drive is pluged into the card. I like the LC fine 
 > 
 > except when it tells me it does not have enought memery to do 
 > something. I 
 > use Freddy 1.2 to read the mail and Zterm 0.9 for a communications 
 > program.  What do you use?

I use Termulator, a shareware program.  Lots of people have changed over to 
it from Zterm.  I should say I will use it since I have not yet connected a 
modem to my SE.  I lost out on the LC purchase and received an SE in place. 
Oh well it could have been worse?  Are there lots of Mac BBS around your 
area.  None here that i know about.  Gets lonely being a Mac user when you 
have to talk to yourself!


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From: Linda.Bush@f58.n104.z1.fidonet.org (Linda Bush)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: At Ease/do you know?
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 11:01:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/58 - REGENCY DATA, Littleton CO

Hi, Scott.  I just read where you were from and had to ask if you know 
Phillip Dean from Blayney H.S.?  I think he is the computer coordinator 
there and about to swap positions with a math teacher from our high 
school here in Colorado.  I also thought it would be nice to comunicate 
with someone far away as I will be demonstrating this BBS to our 
science department on December 2. I am the computer technology aide at 
Highlands Ranch H.S. here in Colorado. I'll throw in my thoughts of 
AtEase. We are just in the process of evaluating it for possible use in 
at least one of our labs. The thought may be true about it interferring 
with the students learning how to use the Mac but we think it may solve 
one of our major problems which is that too many of the kids know how 
to use the Mac too well and are messing in areas that they shouldn't 
be.  We are concerned about our lab of 24 machines with hard drives, 
not on a file server.  They add and delete items from the system folder 
and turn ApplShare on and off and it can be a real pain. It hasn't been 
too much of a problem up to this year because the labs were generally 
used for computer classes and the teachers knew what to be on the 
lookout for but now we have three classes that use the labs for 
different levels of writing and the teachers are pretty much oblivious 
to what the students are getting into on the machines. It may be a good 
solution for that lab.  I understand that you can turn it on and off so 
you could teach about the Mac and then restrict when necessary. This is 
getting too long.  I look forward to your reply. Reply here or in the 
member section for private. Linda Bush


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From: Gary.Davis@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Gary Davis)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: BUSINESS ED. PROJECT
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 18:50:49 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

Hello, Ian,
        I have a file that describes Main$treet, but it is on my other 
computer.  I will send it to you as soon as I can.  It runs on any ms-dos 
computer -- well, almost any (to paraphrase W.S. Gilbert).  Thanks for your 
interest.  I'll get back to you as soon as I can.  
        By the way, you wouldn't have an internet account by any chance?  Or 
bitnet?  It's so much faster than this way.  Oh well.
-- Gary Davis

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From: Carol.Nauss@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Nauss)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: COMPUTER APP. IDEAS
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 21:32:28 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

Jim...:)  I actually got it this time.  Think that is about the first time I 
have had that happen.  Will get them off to you in the next day or so.  Carol

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From: John.Feltham@f702.n640.z3.fidonet.org (John Feltham)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Linkway
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 13:13:06 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:640/702 - Grammar BBS, Townsville Qld Australia

G'day David,

You can get an evaluation copy of Linkway from Michelle Swinden on 02-354-7907, you can even mention my name AND that you got the information from me via the K12net.

ooroo


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From: Linda.Bush@f58.n104.z1.fidonet.org (Linda Bush)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Old acquaintance?
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 10:22:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/58 - REGENCY DATA, Littleton CO

Hi, Joe. Or should I say Joey?  What city are you located in?  Could 
you possibly be the Joey Novak that I knew growing up in Pueblo, CO? 
I used to be Linda Lee, now Linda Bush. Looking forward to an answer. 
Linda


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From: Timothy.Borntreger@p0.f25.n137.z1.fidonet.org (Timothy Borntreger)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: Business Ed. Project
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 12:14:25 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:137/25.0 - The Back Door, Venice FL


 >
 > What would you like to talk about then?  What other types
 > of applications do you use - for message writing/communications
 > for example ?
 >
 > Hope this is of interest :-)
 > -- Ian.
 

Hi Ian!  Thanks for telling us about the software that you use.  It is very interesting to learn what people use in other parts of the world.  We use Telemate telecommunications system.  We will be learning desktop publishing on WordPerfect because we cannot afford 24 liscences for Ventura or PageMaker.  We are in a Software Applications class at Sarasota High School.  The school board does not have the money for all that software.  However, they did just buy us 5 Hewlett Packard Laserjet printers.  What p




rogram do you use for your school newspaper? Well, our class is over in a few minutes, so we have to go.  We will be waiting for your reply.
 
Andy Douglas and Timothy Borntreger 


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From: Scott.Bodeen@f208.n326.z1.fidonet.org (Scott Bodeen)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: COMPUTERS
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 20:00:06 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:326/208 - Street Corner BBS, Bath ME

KM> I have Pc-Tools but have never used compressed.  I guess I assumed it 
 KM> was  like PKzip.  Have not read the manual!  Can you tell.  Have you 
 
 Compress will defragment your disks (hd or fd).
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From: sclair@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (Susan M. Clair)
Subject: What is virtual reality?
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 13:14:10 GMT

	I've heard a lot about virtual reality but I'm not sure
what it is. Will somebody please explain what it is in
relationship to computers and education. 
                                           Thanks,
                                           S.M. Clair
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Distribution: world
From: mark@ultramac.uucp (Mark Hladnick)
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware, Inc
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:34:27 CDT
Subject: Re: spreadsheet users

TOM,

	Sorry for the delay. It's been busy in STL. In regards to request about the
software package LabQuest, try the following companies:

	Pacific Power
	Learning Quest
	National Business Education Alliance
	
	I can't find a phone number yet, but I'll have one by Friday or Saturday.

Mark Hladnick	mark@oui.com
From: Terry.Bowden@f20.n772.z3.fidonet.org (Terry Bowden)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: COMPUTERS
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 11:15:02 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:772/20 - IBM NZ Ltd Gate, Auckland

Hi Kevin,

KM>The fax/modem (still not installed) is 2400/9600.  Not
KM>state of the art but for 131.00 not bad.  The modem alone
KM>would costs 109.00.  I plan to just use the fax part since
KM>I already have a 9600 ATI vbis 42 modem.  Rough going but
KM>it gives me a fax at my desk and eliminates the need to
KM>stand in line at the stand alone fax machines.

You put forward a good argument for the use of a fax modem.
I have the fax feature on the modem attached to the BBS I run for IBM,
but I have never bothered to implement it. I have always argued that
with a couple of fax machines at work, who needs yet another one?

But then again, there are times when I print out something from the BBS,
and then go and try to fax it, only to find one machine is being used to
send a fax. I go to the other machine on another floor, only to find
it's busy receiving one.  Maybe it's time I took the plunge and sussed
out how to set up the fax feature.
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From: Andrew.Webster@p0.f45.n342.z1.fidonet.org (Andrew Webster)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: LOGO FOR THE TI-99/4A (FRENCH VERSION)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 21:50:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:342/45.0 - SPQR, Edmonton AB

8
Hi Fran,
         Actually, I just found out that there is a fully French version of TI LOGO with a full manual! Found out from a lady at the U of Geniva. It is a disk based version. 
The TI-99/4A has come a long way since it was last sold by TI. Because it was the first 16 bit computer to hit the personal market place and because it was so well designed the amateurs of the world took it on and turned it into quite a machine. My TI has an 80 column screen with a resolution equal to amiga. I have a 1.5meg RAM disk capable of acting as CPU ram, 4 Hi density floppy drives, 64k print buffer, real time clock and other things.
     Thanks for your reply. My girl speeks/reads/writes both languages equally well. But I simply wanted to streemline Logo at home to make things less frustrating for her.
Talk with you again...
Take care

                   


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From: Scott.Barnham@f914.n714.z3.fidonet.org (Scott Barnham)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: School Computers
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 16:15:35 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:714/914 - MacConnection BBS, Clontarf NSW


I am planning for my school to swap over from Apple II to Macintosh or Windows ?  What are opinions when it comes to the best for Education - High School.  I am A MAcintosh man, but open a little to Windows.

What about networking - what is novell netware like in a school ?  Appleshare ?  Other networking systems ?


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From: Elizabeth.Probert@f20.n772.z3.fidonet.org (Elizabeth Probert)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: using computers in the computer ro
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 22:08:22 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:772/20 - IBM NZ Ltd Gate, Auckland

Thanks for your reply. i really like the idea of all the technolgy used for retrieving information being connected with the library. My idea is to have lots of equipment like this in the library - CDROM, modems etc and access to whatever data-bases are available or become available. Then students can download the information they want then go to another computer in or near the libray to work on this information. 
Our computer room does get very booked - you need to book in T1 for T3 which seems ridiculous. I'd also like the computer room arranged in a bettter way to allow for more collaborative learning. 
It's very helpful to hear how other schools have tackled this problem of getting computers in use across the curriculum. cheers - Liz.



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From: Kevin.Mccluskey@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Mccluskey)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: COMPUTERS
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 08:28:38 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB


 > Kevin have you ever used Superbase 4 on the IBM.
 > 

Nope!  I have used Dbase 2, 3 & 4 but never Superbase 4.  I assume it is a 
database program?  Can't believe the prices of 9600/9600 fax modems in your 
country.  I still have not got this beast going yet.  No time to try it out. 
At leat I have it in the machine so that one day soon.......


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From: John.Feltham@f706.n640.z3.fidonet.org (John Feltham)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: At Ease
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 10:18:34 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:640/706 - Coral Sea, Townsville Qld Australia

G'day Scott,

Sunday November 15 1992 16:09, Scott Barnham wrote to Mitch Hammer:

 > My name is Scott Barnham, from Sydney Australia.  I am putting together a
 > proposal for our school to swap from old Apple IIc's to Macintosh (but some
 > staff want to go MS-DOS).

Send a msg to Jason Bordujenko, the sysop of GRAMMAR here in Townsville. They put in a MAC network at the beginning of the year. You could even send a msg to the comp co-ordinator at The Grammar School, Mrs Shirley Sidey, I'm sure she would reply to any enwquiry.

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From: dcleek@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Dick Cleek)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: kid's editor
Date: 19 Nov 1992 17:07:37 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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FRED is an easy to use wordprocessor for young kids, featuring
large type but otherwise quite sophisticated. It is available
by anonftp from  wuarchive.wustl.edu in  /pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS

enjoy
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From: Ron.Decanio@p0.f25.n137.z1.fidonet.org (Ron Decanio)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Bus. Proj. 
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 12:08:50 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:137/25.0 - The Back Door, Venice FL

Rob,
 
What's up?  It seems you like you like type.  What kind of computer do you use?  What kind of modem do you use? Is your computer IBM compatible Where do you live?  We live in Sunny Sarasota, FL.  How old are you? 
 Could you please explain some of the programs you have used?  Thank 
you for the long letter.
 
        Tim, Ron, Aaron



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