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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:36:00 EST
From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      re: The Noisy Room, Issue 1

>From:         metlay <metlay@PHYAST.PITT.EDU>

>I just got Issue 1 of the Noisy Room newsletter in the mail from Marco
>Olivotto in Italy. It's an interesting mishmash of news about the recent
>doings of The Noisy Room (an Italian indie band) and reviews of indie
>tape and CD releases by various artists, including a couple who are
>actually distributed by TNR.

>Marco is on EMUSIC-L; I'm sure he can repost the address to write to, or
>you can email him for details. (I don't have my copy of TNR at work, sorry.)

You can email Marco at Olivotto@itncisca.

And a couple of the bands actually being distributed by TNR are Totentanz,
my ode to Tangerine Dream, and Mutually Assured Destruction, in which I
carry on my Teutonic fantasies.  So I can assure you that it's good quality
electronic music, performed in real time with no overdubs.  In fact,
most of the Totentanz tape was recorded in concert.

Don't forget: the newsletter is free.  There is a charge for the tapes,
but if you buy both of them, you get a discount.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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From:         The Radio Gnome <V2002A@TEMPLEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: In Query
              30 Jul 1992 11:40:36 CDT from <edwards@PULMONARY.MED.BCM.TMC.EDU>

On Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:40:36 CDT John C Edwards said:
>...has anyone experimented with the setup described by Eno on one of his
> Ambient
>albums?  It consisted of a "difference" speaker which was connected to the two
>positive terminals and arranged in a triangle with the left and right speakers.
     I tried this way back in highschool and got some pretty bad sound.  Then
again all I had to go on was my then limited collection of top-40 music.
Maybe I should try it again with some Klaus Schulze or John Adams material...

>Could music be engineered that would sound vastly different (voices, other
>tracks) by hiding the information in phase differences which would show up on
>such a speaker arrangement?

     This brings up an interesting observation/accusation in Stereo Review
that too many sound engineers neglect to preserve a lot of phase encoded
information in a recording in order to maintain decent mono reproduction.
This is apparently more prevalent in pop production than in jazz/classical.

>Also, would this setup have any detrimental effects to the amplifier
>used?  I can see Channel/Channel separation getting worse from the through
>leakage.

     It depends on how much out of phase information is present in the signal.
An ideal mono signal should produce NO output fron the third speaker.  One
with a lot of out of phase info could result in large amounts of current
flowing between the channels, in essence operating the amp in 'partial'
bridge mode.  Very few amps are capable of operating in bridge mode since
the impedance 'seen' by the amp is half of what it sees in standard mode.
For example, driving 8 ohms bridged makes each channel 'see' 4 ohms.  If your
amp is very robust or is explicitly designed to operate in bridge mode, then I
wouldn't see too much harm in using the third speaker hookup.

     Some early 'surround sound' systems would tap a signal off of the two
hot speaker terminals and feed it to a separate mono amp to drive the third
speaker.

     Hope this helps!
                           Andy Wing
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From:         Jon Crystal <OFABJC@UVMADMIN.BITNET>
Subject:      Sharp Portable DAT

Anyone have info on this portable DAT machine? They are now being discounted fo
r about $500, but few specs available.
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 07:57:40 EST
From:         Jon Crystal <OFABJC%UVMADMIN.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU>
Subject:      How Many Speakers fit on an Amp?
To:           Multiple recipients of list EMUSIC-L <EMUSIC-L@AMERICAN.EDU>

> Can anyone offer advice on the wisdom (or lack thereof) of connecting more
 than
>  one set of speakers to the same output of a "consumer" amplifier? I don't
 mean
>  using the "remote speaker" connections, but doubling the main ones for a
 total
>  of four speakers. The amp is rated for 8-16 ohms: is that additive? Will this
> simply reduce the signal going to each - and at what cost? Thanks for the
 advic
> e.

Hi Jon,

	If your amplifier is rated at 8-16 ohms, that means that it is
designed tosafely drive any load from 8 ohms to 16 ohms.  That means if
you use two 8 ohms in series, for a total of 16 ohms, you can drive them
with your amp.

----------                        /|
|        |                   ----/ |
|       +|-------------------|+ |  |
|        |              |----|- |  |
|        |              |    ----\ |
|        |              |         \|
| Left   |              |                     Duplicate this circuit for
| Channel|              |         /|          the right channel.
|        |              |    ----/ |
|        |              |----|+ |  |
|       -|-------------------|- |  |
|        |                   ----\ |
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:52:42 EDT
From:         ronin <HARNDEN@AMERICAN.EDU>
Subject:      midi2
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ok, so i know we're a lazy bunch. i myself haven't posted half the things
i've (sort of) promised. but...
has any enterprising loon out there put together the electronic version
of the midi 2.0 release? even if the spec hasn't been officially printed
(has it?) i know that there have been enough articles on it to provide
the requisite data. and would anyone care to reference those articles?
i don't actually get many industry rags, and EM (which i decided to let
lapse, only to discover that i'm paid up for another two years... blecch)
just doesn't do it.

ao, and speaking of EM...
would someone here who actually bothers to email them (i never use the
commercial networks myself) mind telling them that their columnar format
for product comparisons is unreadable? the grey stripes should go
horizontally, not vertically, so that one can trace a spec across the
the two pages without drifting. simple, thin, black vertical lines
would take care of the vertical differentiation. sheesh... someone there
should really read Tufte, you know?

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<HARNDEN@AUVM.BITNET> or <HARNDEN@AMERICAN.EDU>
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:42:34 EDT
From:         metlay <metlay@PHYAST.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: nets continued
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              29, 92 11:01 am

> so what would you do? how would you represent the patterns that are so clear
> to you as a musician or an audience? when looking at a score, your eye does
> not see statistical properties. it registers motion, density, uniformity.

Hmmm. You're making an eye-ear-brain connection here. I don't know if that
extra link in the chain is either necessary or helpful-- after all, when *I*
look at a score, I see a bunch of funny lines and dots. I see motion and
density only in the very vaguest sense, and have no cognitive link between
ink-blots and notes.

> midi data does not, to the reader or to the programmer, communicate music
> except by several layers of internal translation. and is there a rough
> isomorphism between how the eyes and ears interpret the score and the music?

Some may argue that there is-- that is why people love to interpret music
scores that are drawn in a non-traditional manner, because it short-circuits
the connection to learned behavior patterns and puts the imagination in its
place. But a computer has no imagination, yet literal translation isn't what
you're after either....

> to my mind there is. if i were to describe a music without reference to style,
> i would think in terms of motion, density, and uniformity, as well as
> consonance, which does not seem to me to be so clear on the page. would i then
> represent notes in some manner that preserves something of their relations
> (since it the relations among things that defines pattern)? specify an event,
> not in terms of its absolute pitch and duration, but in terms of its
 difference
> with respect to the last event? can one encode a macro-structure, a tendency?
> and so on.

Depends on the music style. Abrupt transitions aren't modeled well by Markov
chains or the like. I think you'd have an easier time with trane music than
with PDQ Bach....

> what do you think?

I think it's a more interesting topic for discussion than which workstation
synth to buy next, frankly. |-\


--
mike metlay    (phud, no less)
metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu
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Does anyone know what software programs will work with an IBM Music Feature
Card?  Somewhere I heard that the music composing/editing program called
FINALE will work with this card.  I have recently acquired the card and
would like to put it to good use.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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From:         Vesa Valimaki <vpv@VIPUNEN.HUT.FI>
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Helsinki, 21.07.1992.

Hello,

I am working at CARTES (Computer Arts Centre at Espoo, Finland) on computer
music applications of digital signal processing. I am using MACL 2.0b1. I
would like to use the MIDI Manager services from my own program (reading
MIDI data from other applications, mainly). I found the trap definitions in
the Library:Interfaces folder, but I could not make them work. I'd need
some documentation about the MIDI Manager calls and the meaning of the
parameters, and if someone has used the MACL interface, I'd be very
thankful, if he shared his experiences with me.

Thank you in advance,

Bye.

Zoltan Janosy
CARTES, Finland

e-mail: vpv@vipunen.hut.fi (c/o Vesa Valimaki)
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:18:37 EDT
From:         metlay <metlay@PHYAST.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: musicbox
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              29, 92 10:31 am

> the point of all of which is that i
> keep re-learning the same thing. no tool is the tool. interestingness, for me,
> lies in the breaking down and reassembling of engineered purposes in things.

Truer words were never spoken. I wish I could take this advice....


--
mike metlay    (phud, no less)
metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Reserve Option

On Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:35:30 EDT Minh-Thu Nguyen said:
>Does Wesley have an e-mail address? I  also am interested to know
>about the problems because we will implement Reserve at the same time
>of our migration to the ADVANCE system in the fall.
>A posting from Wesley about your problems would also be helpful
>for many, I think.

As list owner, I agree. I would also like to suggest that people reply
TO THE LIST.  There are almost NO problems that I can imagine that aren't
of interest to all of us, whether current or prospective Geac Advance users.
I assume that Geac is already aware of whatever problems we are having, and
posting it here might be a "gentle reminder" to them.  Also, since many
of the subscribers are members of the Advance Users Group, it will also
help them to know about problems that are on the priority problems list.

Sure, some issues are "local", but as long as they are not the type of
financial/contractual issues that are appropriately confidential between
Geac and a customer, I hope that even the "local" issues will be reported
here.  Whatever weird thing one of us is trying to make the system do, there
is probably at least one other user who has the same idea.

dan

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From:         Gloria Ostrander <ALIOSTRA@IDBSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Serials 4.0 training
              27 Jul 1992 11:04:09 PDT from <turitz@SFSUVAX1.SFSU.EDU>

MITCH.  I'M VERY INTERESTED.  WILL CHECK INTO IT.  WHAT KIND OF A TIME FRAME
  ARE YOU CONSIDERING??  SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER?  Our 4. install is scheduled for
  Aug. 15, or so.  Gloria Ostrander.  BSU
On Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:04:09 PDT Mitch Turitz said:
>Is anyone planning on having serials 4.0 training?  (Especially
>on the West Coast?)
>
>Please leave me email if you are.  Thanks.
>
>-- Mitch Turitz
>
>"Don't waste time -
> It is the stuff life is made of"
>
>
>**********************************************
>* Mitch Turitz, Serials Librarian            *
>* San Francisco State University Library     *
>* 1630 Holloway Ave., S.F., CA  94132        *
>* Voice: (415) 338-7883  FAX: (415) 338-6199 *
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From:         Mitch Turitz <turitz@SFSUVAX1.SFSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Reserve Option
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>
>      We at CSUDH are contemplating use of the Reserve Book Room
> option of GEAC Advance. Before undertaking this project, we would
> like to find out who is using this option and what problems may
> have been encountered.  Please reply directly to me.  If there is
> any interest, I will summarize for the list.
>      Thanks for your help!
>
> Gail Cook
> Cal State U. Dominguez Hills
>
Gail - you didn't leave your email address# in your message, so I
am sending this to the net:

Please contact Wesley Kyles (415) 338-1882 at San Francisco State
about the problems we have been having with the Reserve Book
module.

-- Mitch

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From:         Cynthia Peterson <petersoc@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      Reserve Module

          We have been inputting since June 90 and have been Online
          since Oct. 91.

          There are specialized problems of course, but on the whole
          we have dealt with a variety of issues in the Reserves
          Module.  I am certain that others might benefit from our
          experiences.  I would welcome any questions!!!

          We have developed our own documentation, since the
          documentation provided was so very incomplete.

          I am anxious for some OPEN dialog regarding Reserve issues.
          I have been frustrated  a l o t !!!  Remember, one must
          become pretty creative, if you want something bad enough!

          Cynthia Peterson
          Oregon State University, Kerr Library
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From:         "CAROL H. JEWELL" <CHJ65@ALBNYVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      ADVANCE and closing the shelflist

Here at the University at Albany University Libraries, we are planning a
migration to ADVANCE. For libraries now using ADVANCE who have closed there
(oops, their) shelflist, I would appreciate some answers to the following
questions:

1. Many of our staff are opposed to closing the shelflist. What has been the
response of your staff to closing it, and how have you handled the negative
responses?

2. We add many handwritten notes to our shelflist cards, particularly for
serials and sets. Have any of you found a way to get around this, i.e., have
you been able to add these notes to records on ADVANCE? Please elaborate.

Thanks for your help.

Carol H. Jewell
Coordinator, Catalog Maintenance Unit
University Libraries
University at Albany
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From:         Mitch Turitz <turitz@SFSUVAX1.SFSU.EDU>
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>
> On Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:35:30 EDT Minh-Thu Nguyen said:
> >Does Wesley have an e-mail address? I  also am interested to know
> >about the problems because we will implement Reserve at the same time
> >of our migration to the ADVANCE system in the fall.
> >A posting from Wesley about your problems would also be helpful
> >for many, I think.
>
> As list owner, I agree. I would also like to suggest that people reply
> TO THE LIST.  There are almost NO problems that I can imagine that aren't
> of interest to all of us, whether current or prospective Geac Advance users.
> I assume that Geac is already aware of whatever problems we are having, and
> posting it here might be a "gentle reminder" to them.  Also, since many
> of the subscribers are members of the Advance Users Group, it will also
> help them to know about problems that are on the priority problems list.
>


OK folks, I spoke with Wesley and he is now in the process of getting an
email account.  He will post his comments after he is set up.

-- Mitch


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* Internet: turitz@sfsu.edu                  *
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Subject:      Tracking Processing with Advance

At the University of Albany/SUNY we are planning for the implementation of
Advance and have some questions about identifying the location of materials
in the various stages of processing.  We will appreciate any information current
users of Advance can provide about the following questions:

        1. What mechanism(s) does Advance have to track materials through the
acquisitions and cataloging process both to inform the public of its status and
to help staff locate an item in the various stages of processing?

        2. At the various steps of processing, does the system automatically
provide information to show the date of a particular action and identify the
staff member who has completed a given task?  Or must this information be
explicitly input by the staff member?

        3. If Advance does not automatically generate this information, what
have libraries done to provide this kind of tracking information?

You may respond to me or to the list.


Kay Shaffer

University Libraries
1400 Washington Avenue
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Albany, NY 12222

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From:         Minh-Thu Nguyen <I003@POLYTEC1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Reserve Option

>
> Please contact Wesley Kyles (415) 338-1882 at San Francisco State
> about the problems we have been having with the Reserve Book
> module.
>

Mitch,
Does Wesley have an e-mail address? I  also am interested to know
about the problems because we will implement Reserve at the same time
of our migration to the ADVANCE system in the fall.
A posting from Wesley about your problems would also be helpful
for many, I think.
contributors!.
Minh-Thu Nguyen
Ecole Polytechnique, Montreal
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