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From: plotkin@spliz.East.Sun.COM (David Plotkin - Sun NYC Consulting)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Reader Bio's
Date: 21 Jan 1993 16:22:27 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: plotkin@spliz.East.Sun.COM
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Is anyone still reading these?

I'm David Plotkin.  I work as a Software Consultant for Sun Microsystems in
the Wall Street office in New York City.

I'm 32 and I've been riding about 2 years.  I started riding after watching
my girlfriend (now wife) Liz take a lesson.  She rode when she was young, and
was just getting back into it.  I thought it looked pretty fun.

I started with private lessons and soon joined a group.  I can tell you that
Liz was not happy when I progressed enough to join her group!  I've learned
quickly, and about 6 months ago I found a small group lesson taught by an
excellent instructor, very "equitation" oriented.  I'm jumping 3' courses of
8+ fences now, and I take two, 1.5 hour lessons a week.

Liz got over her jealousy, and we take these lessons together.  We have also
gone on some riding vacations, such as trail riding at the Firefly Ranch
in Vermont, and cross country jumping and beach riding at the Stracomer
Riding Center in Co. Donegal, Ireland.  That was our honeymoon, and I told
everyone about that last September.

We live and ride in Bronxville, NY, just outside NYC.

Happy riding!

	dp

From: krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:01:46 GMT
Subject: Re: Re:  pinto vs. paints
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

>/ hpcc01:rec.equestrian / pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas) /  3:02 pm  Jan 20, 1993 /
>In article <1jk6otINNeqb@nigel.msen.com> dan@msen.com (Dan and Karen Sugalski) writes:
>>
>>A paint is a stock type horse, whose bloodlines are restricted to paint,
>>QH and TB.  A pinto is any horse of that coloring...
>
>I always thought that a pinto had round edges on its spots and a paint
>had rough edges.  Anybody ever heard this explanation, because now I'm
>wondering where I picked it up.  I don't rremember the difference
>between Overo and Tobiano.
>
>Sarah Pallas
>
>
>----------

It seems to me I just read about Overo and Tobiano and that the diffence
in these are more or less what you have defined as the difference between
paint and pinto (i.e. the round vs. jagged edges)

Kim Krattiger
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Racoons & dogs :-(
Date: 24 Jan 93 07:12:07 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <106290@netnews.upenn.edu>, barkdoll@lepomis.psych.upenn.edu (Edwin Barkdoll) writes:
> In article <1jrn20INNjc1@nigel.msen.com> dan@msen.com (Dan and Karen Sugalski) writes:
>>Dan and Karen Sugalski (dan@msen.com) wrote:
>>: [ Article crossposted from rec.pets.dogs ]
>>: [ Author was Ruth Ginzberg ]
>>: [ Posted on 20 Jan 93 15:39:46 EDT ]
>>
>>Thanks to Ruth for letting me crosspost this.  Ruth also gave me a bit
>>more information from the article.  Of those 787 cases of rabies in 1992
>>in Connecticut
> 
> 	And that number is likely to increase even more -- 787 cases
> for 1992 is nearly a 4-fold increase 193 cases in 1991.
> 
>>a dozen were in cats.
> 
> 	1992 marked the first reported cases of domestic animal rabies
> in CT since before 1950.
> 
>>These numbers are only likely to go
>>up.  Please remember to keep all of your pets vaccinated, including
> horses.
> 
> 	And don't transport wildlife across state lines which is what
> caused this problem in the first place!
> 

Huh?  Whose been transporting wildlife across state lines?  Funny, I thought
they made it across on their own.

Sorry, but I had this mental image of a raccoon flagging down a bus and
climbing aboard....

Sue

> -- 
> Edwin Barkdoll
> barkdoll@lepomis.cattell.psych.upenn.edu
> eb3@world.std.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mlr21@cas.org (Mary Lee Raines)
Subject: Re: which magazines?
Keywords: good horse magazine
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:23:58 GMT

In article <7012@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca>, tim@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca (Tim Pointing) writes:
|> Greetings! I've been mostly lurking for a couple of years here, contributing
|> where my meager knowledge allows but mostly just learning a lot. [Thanks!]
|> 
|> My question for y'all today is on horsey magazines... What magazine(s)
|> do you like and why? What areas do they focus on? How techincal are they?
|> etc etc.
|> -- 
|> Tim Pointing, DCIEM
|> tim@dciem.dnd.ca or tim@ben.dciem.dnd.ca


Well, here goes

Practical Horseman (useful information/English) 
Horse & Rider (useful information/Western and general)
Equus (this is about as technical/scientific as I get)
Western Horseman (this is the one I grew up on)
Chronicle of the Horse (for Thoroughbred information)
Midwest Sport Horse (this is mostly advertisements, stories on one side of the
    page about a horse whose stud fee is on the other side of the page)
Appaloosa Journal (for Appaloosa information)
Appaloosa Sport Horse (I think the name has changed to just Sport Horse
    and they're now covering other breeds, but I haven't seen an issue for
    a couple years)
The Corral (newspaper format, local (mostly Ohio) information,
   on everything from endurance/competitive trail, dressage, CT, gymkhana,
   hunters/jumpers, barrel racing, rodeo, state breed-specific clubs,
   ==when and where the shows
   are, who the trainers are, local judges, horses/trucks/trailers/ 
   etc. for sale==
   you name it, if it's got something to do with horses and it's within
   a few states of Ohio, it's in the Corral.  

I usually subscribe to two or three magazines a year, and switch around
a bit.  I'm currently getting Horse & Rider, Equus, Appaloosa Journal,
and the Corral and Midwest Sport Horse.

Mary Lee
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jen187@its.CSIRO.AU (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812)
Subject: gif update part 3
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:27:11 GMT



    

      **********  HOW TO GET THE HORSE GIFS   **********


Follow these directions to get the gifs from my FTP site.



From your Unix prompt enter:

ftp commsun.its.csiro.au     <The IP address is:  152.83.8.2>

When you get the login prompt enter:

anonymous

When you are asked for a password enter your email address.
You should then get a prompt that looks like this   ftp>
Next, enter:

cd /staff/jen187

If you now enter the command  ls  you will see a number of
gif files. To get them, enter the following commands:


 binary

.. and then

get ozhorse1.gif

( This will then (hopefully) start the transfer to your machine. )

.. and then

get ozhorse2.gif

.. and so on.

To finish the session enter:

quit  OR  bye


_____________________________________________________________________

If you have any problems with this, feel free to email me:

graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au
_____________________________________________________________________


ENJOY!


 
-- 

|  Graham Jenkins          |  graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au           | 
|  CSIRO                   |  (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial | 
|  Canberra,  AUSTRALIA    |  Research Organisation)                |
From: dan@msen.com (Dan and Karen Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Cold-weather riding
Date: 23 Jan 1993 13:51:40 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Collen Cicarell (cicarell@spk.hp.com) wrote:
: Hello everyone,

: I apologise in advance if you've seen this, or if another version comes out
: later, but I'm having major problems with our system.

: I am wondering what you do to stay warm in cold weather.  I was riding in 
: <10F a couple of weeks ago, and it was DANG cold.  I'm looking for some 
: good ideas (other than stay inside, I got bit by the horse bug and staying
: inside worsens the symptoms.)

Silk long underwear is great.  It adds very little bulk, so it doesn't
interfere with contact.  I'll usually ride in sweats or corduroy jods with
the silk underneath and my LL Bean boots in the winter.  You can get silk
glove and sock liners as well.  My favorite gloves ar crochet back and the
silk liners make them suitable for winter.

Karen
From: jsnyder@cadev5.intel.com (Jan Snyder )
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Longeing as Training and Tense Horse Update
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:11:39 GMT
Organization: Intel Santa Clara Design Technology

In article <1k1r1kINNj8s@gap.caltech.edu> deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine) 
writes:
>I'm interested in starting a thread about longeing as a (re-)training tool,
>especially for older horses with problems.  This is as opposed to 
>starting youngsters or simply as a method of exercise.  I'm interested
>in other people's experiences along these lines and also descriptions
>of technique.

I can heartily second Debbie's recommendation of this type of work on older
horses.  Last year I had a 15yo MorAb mare who was very nervous and 
resistant.  My trainer (Joan) taught me how to use the same softening, 
stretch-down relaxing techniques on the longe as I did in saddle.  Tammy's 
response was very good.  I learned what "contact" was supposed to feel like 
and how to be soft yet firm, and she learned to stretch down and accept contact 
without tossing her head all the time.  She improved at voice response, too, 
once she was relaxed and paying attention to her human instead of whatever was 
over the fence.  We varied the side rein adjustment to get her bending both 
ways, something she found a bit difficult.  (I'm sorry but I don't think I can
manage an accurate technical description of what we did, but I'd know it if
I see it.)

Now we're starting to retrain the 19yo Arab so I can make a dressage horse out
of her (she's been Western Pleasure and trail for years).  Joan is working with
Quiche 2hrs/week and has found her very smart and responsive (I knew that!).
I'm looking forward to taking over as soon as Q is "tuned up" a bit.  The main 
problems we're trying to cure are "listening to your rider" and "remember 
there's a gait between trot and gallop."  Quiche is very competitive and likes 
to play "Queen of the Wind" when we're out with other horses, although she's 
no problem when I take her out alone.


-Sallijan
 Quiche (19yo chestnut Arab mare)
 Shadow Dancer (11yo black Peruvian Paso mare)
 Picardia (7yo chestnut Peruvian Paso mare)
 felines Imp, Gringo and Rags (geldings all)

-
Sallijan Snyder, Wordware Engineer | "I don't let my employer take credit for my opinions."
Santa Clara, California            | (408) 765-5444 voicemail    (408) 629-5909 home robot
Internet: jsnyder@scdt.intel.com   |          =>Internet Z-Car Club Member #42<=
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: <None>
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:34:52 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 


Thanks Mary, for correcting my faulty genetics.  Actually I was a little 
more right than I thought.  This was the actual breeding that I did to
produce my current mare.  Black was not a genetic factor, since there 
are no blacks as far back as I can find on either pedigree.  Ditto for
brown, that's not very often found in Arabs.  The reference to 'known
to produce greys, bays, and chestnuts', refers to the grey mare.  In fact,
at one time, I owned a bay daughter of hers.  
And I did get a chestnut filly out of the breeding.   So, if black and brown
are ruled out, approximately 25% chance of chestnut is in 'the ball park.'

Sue
From: gnd@sawtooth.idaho.amdahl.com (Greg Darnell)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Leasing a Horse & Insurance
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:35:56 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corp., Rexburg, ID

In article <20JAN199318133095@vax>, sknopp@vax (KNOPP, SHERRON) writes:
> I can't (won't) go the insurance route,
> and almost all the people I know currently riding horses in the $15,000-
> $25,000 price range do not carry insurance.  I asked my trainer if I
> SHOULD--and she said NO.  I would most likely pay two or three times
> in premiums what I got back if something happened to my horse. 

I can't address the leasing part of the issue in this thread, but the
above information does not match my experience.  The current annual
rate we pay for a dressage horse (no jumping) is 3.4%, which means we
would pay the horse's value in 29 years, so if he lived to age 58 we
would pay twice in premiums what we would get back.  I believe premiums
for jumping horses are in the 4-5% range. 

We don't have my wife's horse insured for what he is worth, because it
would be too hard to prove the value if something happened.  We bought
him as a 3-year-old and my wife trained him to the FEI level, so there
aren't any receipts that show his true worth.  We insure him only so 
that if something does happen to him, we'll have enough money to buy
another 3-year-old with equivalent potential.

We did have a broodmare insured for her purchase price, since that was
more of a business proposition.  She was put down after exploratory
colic surgery, and the insurance paid exactly what we insured her for.
In that case we paid 6.8% of her value in premiums and got back 100%
of her value (which helped pay the vet bills and buy a replacement).

So I do believe in insurance, just like I insure a car or a house, where
I don't have the money on hand to replace it easily in case of a loss.
My car isn't worth $40,000, in fact it's worth less than $10,000, so
I really don't see much of a difference.  The premium for a horse may
be higher, but so is the risk.

Greg

-- 
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From: china@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: paddling
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:35:56 +1100
Distribution: world
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

In article <1jl55sINN2vc@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, cindyp@wilkins.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Cindy Petermann) writes:
> 
> I'm a beginner looking at a 10 yr old mare to buy for hunter/jumper.
> She paddles with her left front leg.
> 
> Should I be concerned about this?  
> 
> Any info/comments appreciated!
 
> Cindy

paddling itself is usually not a problem, provided the horse does not
knock itslf on the inswing. However, the paddling may indicate a problem
with the back or left shoulder. A horse may paddle for several reasons such
as unbalanced in front, uncoordinated (these horses are prone to stumbling
too), discomfort in the shoulder and/or back etc. Most horses will paddle when
trotting down a steep hill because there is less jolt than when they throw
their leg straight out. Paddling can generally be cured as long as it isn't
due to a conformation fault. One of my horses has always paddled because when
he was younger I never gave him the exercises to overcome it. Therefore, he
keeps doing it because it feels most comfortable to him. It has never been a
problem to him and he was an A-grade showjumper. IMHO, paddling would not
stop me buying a horse except under the following conditions:
1. it was due to poor conformation
2. a vet or chiropracter suggested it was due to a recurring problem with its
   back or shoulder etc.
3. the horse knocked its other leg
4. I wanted to do competitive dressage with the horse.

Good luck

- Ross

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: sb380@city.ac.uk (HOLT A D)
Subject: Re: Need Info on Spanish Riding School
Organization: The City University
Date: 26 Jan 93 09:02:15 GMT

It has been reported in the British equestrian press (with how much truth
I am not aware) that the next public performances of the Spanish Riding
School will be their visit to Britain late this year. I would have thought
that if there was no possibility of their performing at their home before
then that they would have hurriedly arranged some more touring - perhaps
in Germany and Switzerland.
The ticket prices for the UK visit are rather high, and some of the seats
at Wembley arena have a very poor view (as I remember from their last visit)

Andy
From: gale@chrysos.Eng.Sun.COM (Gale Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Spooking and Liability
Date: 27 Jan 1993 23:31:32 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: chrysos
Keywords: liability

In article <1993Jan27.193138.3316@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> templin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Templin Geri-Ellen) writes:
...
>My question - which surfaced MUCH later - was, if god-forbid, knock on wood,
>the car had hit her, how does the liability work? I live in Colorado, and
>I know laws are different all over but I wanted a general idea. I have no
>insurance on Belle, just the normal car-house insurance. Belle is boarded out
>so my homeowner's insurance wouldn't cover anything... When a car hits a deer
>there's no real liability, so how does it work with horses? I'd like the 
>answer to include things like Belle stomping on a guest....etc....
...

i'm glad everyone's ok!!  i had a liability last year for damage to a car
inflicted by one of my horses.
the story:  my young horse, jaseroque, was being ponied by a friend and
got loose.  he ran back to his stall, but a car was parked in his way.  so
he jumped over it!!  unfortunately the antenna of the car stabbed jas in his
left stifle requiring stitches.  but he also kicked out the rear windshield
of the car (a mercedes no less) as well as denting a fender on the take-off.
so i had to pay to repair for the damage to the car.  there is a general
liability clause in our homeowners insurance, so we were covered, even tho my
horses are boarded.  in the meantime we have gotten ourselves a $1million
liability umbrella insurance policy to cover us for such future incidences
(which will hopefully never occur).  jas has fully recovered from his injury
- no scar at all - and he is completely sound after recooperating for a couple
of months.  now to find someone who can teach him to jump properly :-) !!

gale snow
c'est jolie and jaseroque

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: clever@sequent.com (Cathy Cleverley)
Subject: Re: Foals & Due Dates
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems (Canada) Ltd.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:22:38 GMT

lmgarret@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Linda M Garrett) writes:


>Hi, a friend of mine has three mares due this spring.  I have a
>question about when.  According to when they were last bred, they
>should be due between March 19 (the first one) and March 29 (the last
>one).  However each of the three mares were bred twice and if they had
>taken the first time they would have been due in Feb.  My question is

If they were in season the second time, chances are they did not
catch the first time.  Have you considered an ultrasound?


>that all three of the mares have started making bags (for about 3
>weeks now).  Another friend of mine said that her mares start making
>bags 6 weeks before they foal.  I'm not talking about big bags, just

>milk.  Is this 6 week thing a kind of rule of thumb (I know there are
>no absolutes) or is this just what her particular mares do?


Mares can do anything.  We foaled a TB maiden mare at 6:15 pm on
January 1 (whew, that was close).  She was bagged and waxing for a@@
                                                      CCCCCC      
week before she foaled.  Usually once they wax they are close.  But
the real thing is once they are dripping milk, you are on the way.
Older mares who have foaled before tend to keep some bag, that gets
bigger as the pregnancy progresses.  Look for wax and then milk.  I
have yet to see a mare foal who has not had *some* wax, if not milk.~

>One more thing, Brandy, is the mare we are unsure if she has had a
>foal before or not.  Carol is Brandy's 6th owner and she has never had
>a foal registered.  But considering the shape she was in when Carol
>bought her, I wouldn't be surprised if she has had a foal if it was
>ever registered.  Anyway, Brandy is miserable.  The barn is on a hill
>and when the horses are let out, Brandy acts like she doesn't want to
>go, but when the other mares head on down to the pasture she goes with
>them and doesn't stay at the top by herself.  There is some flat area
>at the top where the horse can stay but of course there is no grass
>there.  Are there any suggestion to make her more confortable?

She may be uncomfortable with moving her weight downhill.  Unless she
is actually lame, she will probably want to stay with her buddies.
Failing that, you could throw some hay to her on the flat spot.~

BTW - last month's issue of Practical Horseman had a great article
called From Mare to Mom.  You can also get hold of "Blessed are the
Broodmares".



>Thanks

>Linda


--
Cathy Cleverley                                 clever@sequent.com
Sequent Computer Systems (Canada) Ltd.          +1 416 629-4000
"An expert is anyone more than 100 miles~
from home with a set of slides"
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews)
Subject: Re: Cold-weather riding
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:55:02 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho

In article <C19yzF.EKw@spk.hp.com> cicarell@spk.hp.com (Collen Cicarell) writes:
>I am wondering what you do to stay warm in cold weather.  I was riding in 
><10F a couple of weeks ago, and it was DANG cold.  I'm looking for some 
>good ideas (other than stay inside, I got bit by the horse bug and staying
>inside worsens the symptoms.)

Layers layers layers.  That's what i've always done.  But that's if you're
riding more for pleasure, because the more layers you have the less contact w/
the horse you can feel.  Panty hose (as long as your feet don't sweat to
easily) is one layer that can go on w/o taking too much space - i know some
construction workers who swear by hose to keep them warm.

If you can get a windshell for every body part then that will help.  Maybe it
isn't as relevant there.  Most of my early days of riding took place on the
plains (Nebraska) and the key to keeping warm there was to break the wind (as
well as be insulated under the wind-shells).

Bodysuits (i've used ski suits and mechanics' suits from the Starvation Army)
can be good because there are fewer openings for the cold to get in.  I'm
spoiled here in ID.  Hasn't gotten below 10F when i've been riding.
Organization: mbp Software&Systems GmbH at ESOC, Darmstadt, Germany
Date: Thursday, 21 Jan 1993 10:12:05 CET
From: Dr. Lutz Massonne <LMASSONN@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: My Bio

I think its now my turn to join the Bio crowd ...

I am Lutz Massonne, age 35, male, German.
Currently I work at the European Space Operations Center at Darmstadt
on the ground control of the European Space Agency's Earth observation
satellites.
I have studied Physics at Bochum and Heidelberg university and did my
doctoral thesis on the physics of comet Halley's dust.

I never was horse related in any way until I met my then and present partner
in my 2nd year at university. She was riding already for years, and
I started to watch her riding from the rider's pub :-) .

When we moved to the Darmstadt region, she had stopped riding for some years
due to workload and wanted to start up again.
I for myself wanted to do some sportive activity also and decidied to give it
a try. We looked at several stables in the region and settled for
Pfungstadt as the horses and the instructor there made the best impression.

At her first lesson Heike (my partner) was given the "nightmare horse" of
the riding school, an old guy named Distrikt, who really played with her,
having not been riding for years.
I myself took up lunge lessons on the same old Distrikt, a horse
noone had ever called " smooth to sit" ...

Now, five years later, I am the proud owner of Distrikt (and I call him
smooth to sit, at least after 45 minutes of warm-up).
He is now 18 years old, a brown warmblood gelding, of Brandenburg
or Mecklenburg breed. We are doing mainly dressage and trail riding.

He still teaches me how to give the proper aids and seems to get
younger each year. But this is supposed to be MY bio and not his ...

Regards, Lutz