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From: turner@HQ.Ileaf.COM (James Turner)
Subject: Re: gif/tiff images to ileaf docs (HOW?)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 13:46:38 GMT

The following will work if you have the X11 distribution with the portable
pixmap and portable bitmap support programs.  It also assume that you have
the Interleaf bin directory in your search path.

It first converts file.gif to a ppm format, and streams that result to
an X color dump.  It then uses the X Window conversion filter to turn
it into an Interleaf image file, and deletes the intermediary file.

This is the csh script giftoileaf:
#!/bin/csh
set FILE=$1
set RESULT=$FILE:r
/usr/bin/X11/giftoppm $FILE | /usr/bin/X11/ppmtoxwd > $RESULT.xwd
xwdrasfilt $RESULT.xwd $RESULT
rm $RESULT.xwd

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Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
From: irakliot@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Leo J. Irakliotis)
Subject: subequation numbering problem...
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 08:15:41 GMT
Reply-To: irakliot@lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering Network Services, Colorado State University


Hello. I have a two level autonum stream for numbering equations.
The second level is a lowercase alpha. The problem I am facing is
the following:

       +----------------+
       | Ileaf document |
  +----+                +---------------------------------------+
  |                                                             |
  |             this is an equation                     (1)     |
  |                                                             |
  |           this is another equation                  (2)     |
  |                                                             |
  |       this is equation 1 from a group of 3         (2a)     |
  |       this is equation 2 from a group of 3         (2b)     |
  |       this is equation 3 from a group of 3         (2c)     |
  |                                                             |
  +-------------------------------------------------------------+

What I would like to have is (3a) (3b) and (3c) for the new group
of  equations.  Is  there  a  way to  have my  1st  level counter 
increase by 1 each time I ask for a 2nd level autonumber, for the
same stream? 

Or alternatively can I have an  autonumber stream to  inherit the 
last value from another autonumber stream and then increase it? 

I use Ileaf 5.2 on an Apollo 400 running DomainOS.

Best wishes for a happy and productive new year.

-- 
Leo J Irakliotis                 irakliot@eva.lance.colostate.edu
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Colorado State U
(303) 491-2021                              Optical Computing Lab
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
From: marty@rose.brandeis.edu (Marty Stanton)
Subject: printing with dec ln07 printer
Summary: how to get a ln07 to work with interleaf?
Keywords: ln07
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 01:47:32 GMT

I'm trying to get a ln07 (dec 1152) to work with interleaf and I 
am having limited success.  I have 2 problems 1)the computer
doesn't seem to download fonts to the printer, so that avantgarde comes
out courier, and 2) it won't work at speeds other than 9600 baud.
When I ran the interleaf shell script to setup the printer I used
the LN03R settings.

If anyone has any advice, please send to 
marty@dark.rose.brandeis.edu

Thanks in advance
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
From: irakliot@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Leo J. Irakliotis)
Subject: gif/tiff images to ileaf docs (HOW?)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:39:30 GMT
Reply-To: irakliot@lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering Network Services, Colorado State University

How can I import a gif/tiff image into an Ileaf doc?

-- 
Leo J Irakliotis                 irakliot@eva.lance.colostate.edu
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(303) 491-2021                              Optical Computing Lab
Xref: sparky comp.text:1518 comp.text.desktop:520 comp.databases:8770 comp.infosystems:649
From: timg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Tim Gallivan)
Newsgroups: comp.text,comp.text.desktop,comp.databases,comp.infosystems
Subject: Electronic publishing questions.
Summary: What is state of the art?
Date: 3 Jan 93 19:20:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.86087
Followup-To: comp.text
Organization: University of Texas Center for Relativity

Hello,

I would appreciate any info I can get regarding the state of the art in
electronic news (as in newspaper) publication. Any references to books
or a more appropriate newsgroup are also welcome. Some specific
questions I have are:

1) What types of news service are provided by Compuserve and other
online services? Where do they get their news and how do they translate
it into electronic format? How much do they charge for this?

2) How do Compuserve et al. handle the enormous number of simultaneous
logins that they must have? What kind of hardware/software do they run.
Is information stored in databases or is it just sitting around on a
disk in some natural format (like ascii)?

3) Is there a reasonable (practical) way to include pictures and
associate them with specific news articles?

4) Could it be financially feasable to provide local news (cheaper than
a newspaper) to a dial-up audience, given the fact that newspaper
advertising (and the associated income) would be difficult to duplicate?
Does anyone know of a successful implementation of something like this?

Thanks for any information.

-Tim Gallivan
timg@landau.ph.utexas.edu
Xref: sparky comp.text:1501 comp.text.sgml:1239
From: Eric De Mund <ead@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Easy way to create unix man pages?
X-Reply-To: Eric De Mund <ead@netcom.com>
Reply-To: Eric De Mund <ead@netcom.com>
Organization: Netcom Online Communication Services
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 22:34:34 GMT

| wcl@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Wayne Long) writes:
| I'm looking for a filter, utility, or editor that
| will take normal, what-you-see-is-what-you get
| text, and convert it into a unix man page with
| minimal hassle.

wayne,

probably the easiest way to make man pages is with a template. at the
end of this message is one that i use.

alternatively, wrapman(1) is a perl(1) script that generates man pages
from perl(1) scripts. it appears in chapter 6 of the camel book, and
source is available via anon ftp in ftp.uu.net:/published/oreilly/\
nutshell/perl/perl.tar.Z. you may be able to get ideas from it.

finally, there's c2man(1), available via anon ftp from keos.helsinki.fi:\
/pub/archives/alt.sources/c2man (and probably other alt.sources archive
sites), which generates man pages from c code.

eric de mund <ead@netcom.com>

| From the keyboard of jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens):
| :My system also has a file /usr/man/man0/xx which contains
| :the skeleton of a man page.
| 
| Here's such a skeleton I once wrote.
| 
| --tom <tchrist@convex.com>
| 
| .TH NAME SECTION 
| .\" NAME should be all caps, SECTION should be 1-8, maybe w/ subsection
| .\" other parms are allowed: see man(7), man(1)
| .SH NAME
| foo, bar \- programs to do something
| .SH SYNOPSIS
| a short usage summary
| .SH "DESCRIPTION"
| long drawn out discussion of the program.  it's a good idea
| to break this up into subsections using the .SS macros, like
| these:
| .SS "A Sample Subection"
| .SS "Yet Another Sample Subection"
| .SH OPTIONS
| Some people make this separate from the description.
| .SH "RETURN VALUE"
| What the program or function returns if successful.
| .SH ERRORS
| Return codes, either exit status or errno settings.
| .SH EXAMPLES
| give some example uses of the program
| .SH ENVIRONMENT
| envariables this program might care about
| .SH FILES
| all files used by the program.  typical usage is like this:
| .br
| .nf
| .\" set tabstop to longest possible filename, plus a wee bit
| .ta \w'/usr/lib/perl/getopts.pl   'u
| \fI/usr/man\fR  default man tree
| \fI/usr/man/man*/*.*\fR unformatted (nroff source) man pages
| .SH "SEE ALSO"
| .\" Always quote multiple words for .SH, just in case
| other man pages to check out, like man(1), man(7), makewhatis(8), catman(8)
| .SH NOTES
| miscellaneous commentary
| .SH CAVEATS
| things to take special care with.  sometimes called WARNINGS.
| .SH DIAGNOSTICS
| all the possible error messages the program can print out, and
| what they mean.
| .SH BUGS
| things that are broken or just don't work quite right.
| .SH RESTRICTIONS
| bugs you don't plan to fix :-)
| .SH AUTHOR
| who wrote it (or AUTHORS if multiple)
| .SH HISTORY
| programs derived from other sources sometimes have this.
From: dil@castle.ed.ac.uk (D I Laurenson)
Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: Anyone got recomendations about publishing a book...
Summary: Looking for hints on best approach to publishing a book
Keywords: Publishing, Book
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:36:47 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Edinburgh University

A friend of mine is planning to publish a book which is mostly completed.
He is currently writing it on Wordperfect 5.1.  The book is aimed at a
general population (i.e. not student level) but is a form of study book.
So the layout will be fairly non-standard.  Are there suggestions as to
the best way to approach this kind of publication.  I have access to
TeX, Pagemaker, and Ami-pro (I think that's what it's called), but am
unsure as to what would be best for a publisher.  Suggestions please...

Dave

PS Couldn't GN2 in the FAQ be expanded a little to cover this kind of thing?
Newsgroups: comp.text
From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: ?roff Man page help sought
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 11:30:08 GMT

Hello!  I am looking for some help.  What I am trying to achieve is a style
where I specify some key bindings and a description of their format.  The
layout I would like is:


	key[, key2, key3]	First line of description
				possibly continued
				to two or more lines.

Is there a std macro which would allow me to lay out things in this format?
-- 
Larry W. Virden                 UUCP: osu-cis!chemabs!lvirden
Same Mbox: BITNET: lvirden@cas  INET: lvirden@cas.org
Personal: 674 Falls Place,   Reynoldsburg, OH 43068-1614
Newsgroups: comp.text
From: hotstage@mcmi.uucp (Hotstage)
Subject: TeX
Reply-To: hotstage@mcmi.UUCP (Hotstage)
Organization: MCMI, Omaha, NE
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 14:46:41 GMT

Perhaps some of you could push me in the right direction.

I am running Interactive 3.00 Unix.  I have a need to display
and our printed documentation to include special characters such
as bold, underline, proportional and scalable fonts,etc.  At the
moment our documentation is prepared on WordPerfect then converted
to ASCII.  I have been told roff/nroff/troff/dirtoff/psroff or
TeX or tr2tex will accomplish this for me.  Would any of you know
where I can find these utilities?

Please email me direct
thanks for your time.....

james

mcmi!hotstage 
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
From: mxm@ornl.gov (MASON J D)
Subject: Re: WANTED : Documentation on SGML.
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 04:38:02 GMT

One should note that Dr. Goldfarb's book INCLUDES the text of the ISO
standard.

Other books: 
Practical SGML, Erik van Herwijnen, Kluwer
An Author's Guide to SGML, Martin Bryan, Adison Wesley

A journal, <TAG>
And, of course, the SGML Users' Group

Folks in the U.S. can get information on all of the above from :
Mr. 
Marion Elledge
Graphic Communications Association
100 Daingerfield Rd.
Alexandria, VA  22314
U.S.A.
Telephone: +1 703 519-8160
Telefax: +1 703 548-2867
Network: mern@well.sf.ca.us

James David Mason
Convenor, ISO/IEC JTEC1/SC18/WG8
masonjd @ ornl.gov
From: brian@sgmlinc.com (Brian E. Travis)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: Tool for 'automatic' markup
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 05:12:55 GMT
Organization: SGML Associates, Inc.
Reply-To: brian@sgmlinc.com

In article <Bzpxqy.C2E@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> eric@csg.uwaterloo.ca writes:
 > In article <20180.2b34a24a@ul.ie> murraya@ul.ie writes:
 > >Do anybody out there know anything about an application to `automatically` 
                                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                                                Be careful!

 > >generate markuped text, (possibly according to an sgml DTD) from an ordinary 
 > >ASCII file. 
 > > 
 > There is a product called OmniMark from Software Exoterica in Ottawa, Canada
 > which we have been using to translate text to SGML from a number of different
 > formats including ASCII and WordPerfect. We have found this to be an
 > excellent tool and have used it to translate thousands of pages of text.

While OmniMark is an excellent tool for translating text, it is 
far from "automatic". I've used OmniMark and its older brother, 
XTRAN, for several years, and am delighted with its performance 
and reliability. However, it does require a lot of care and feeding. 
The new release of OmniMark (v.2.0) is *very* fast and a joy to 
work with.

Another product, FastTAG from Avalanche Development Co in Boulder 
Colorado, is good at recognizing objects on a page, but takes 
some work to separate objects if its recognition engine 
determines that two objects look like one. FastTAG does not have 
a parser in it, but relies on the programmer to insert start and 
end tags as necessary. FastTAG is very good at recognizing 
tabular material. It is almost human in that respect, and the 
developers should be commended.

FastTAG employs a "Visual Recognition Engine". This allows the 
program to work with "fuzzy" specifications (e.g., heads contain 
60% capitalized words). It is also considerably cheaper than 
OmniMark ($1,500-2,500 vs. $15,000-25,000 -- these could be old 
prices).

In a recent project, I used OmniMark to recognize the basic 
structure of an ASCII input file, then fired off a FastTAG 
session to mark up tables when encountered. It worked quite well, 
and with a minimum of programming. Look for details in an 
upcoming issue of <TAG>.

Then there are the general-purpose and cheap alternatives: AWK, 
Perl, Lex, and the dreaded Snobol. Most of my clients recognize 
that the support provided by vendors selling a specialized tool 
more than outweighs the cost of the product, and select OmniMark 
or FastTAG (or both) as a strategic tool. There are other 
commercial products that do SGML translations, but I have not had 
much experience with them.

As a rule, in any translation system, the quality of the data 
coming out is only as good as the consistency (or regularity) of 
the data going in.

There is no magic.

--
Brian E. Travis                                              brian@sgml.com
SGML Architect,        Managing Editor,               Tele: +1 303 680-0875
InfoDesign Corp.       <TAG> The SGML Newsletter       Fax: +1 303 680-4906
From: brian@sgmlinc.com (Brian E. Travis)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: WANTED : Documentation on SGML.
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 05:18:09 GMT
Organization: SGML Associates, Inc.
Reply-To: brian@sgmlinc.com


In article <BzCJHH.1wL@sci.kun.nl> johnv@sci.kun.nl writes:

 > 
 > I would like to know, how and where I can get documentation on SGML.
 > 
 > Help is wanted, please.

My company, SGML Associates, publishes a monthly newsletter on 
all things SGML. We also have six years worth of back issues for 
people just getting started in the world of SGML.

Send a requst to tag@sgml.com or watch this newsgroup for the 
monthly abstract listing for more details.

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Brian E. Travis                                              brian@sgml.com
SGML Architect,        Managing Editor,               Tele: +1 303 680-0875
InfoDesign Corp.       <TAG> The SGML Newsletter       Fax: +1 303 680-4906
From: SGML@ifi.uio.no (Erik Naggum)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: comp.text.sgml archive access
Date: 23 Dec 92 14:01:29 GMT
Reply-To: Erik Naggum <enag@ifi.uio.no>

In response to requests for re-posts of Yuri Rubinsky's The SGML Year in
Review -- 1992, as given at the GCA SGML '92 Conference on October 26,
as posted here on November 13, and as published in The December issue of
<TAG> -- The SGML Newsletter, I think it's better to provide references
to it so people can pick it up from the archive than to re-post it.

This information can probably serve as a demonstration of the multitude
of access paths, and a template for other accesses to the archive.

Hyperbole and ange-ftp users can use this specification to retrieve the
article:

/ftp.ifi.uio.no:/pub/SGML/comp.text.sgml/by.date/1992/19921113/185318

Anonymous FTP users can retrieve the file as follows:

	Host:		ftp.ifi.uio.no (129.240.64.2)
	Directory:	/pub/SGML/comp.text.sgml/by.date/1992/19921113
	Filename	185318
or
	Directory:	/pub/SGML/comp.text.sgml/by.msgid
	Filename:	1992Nov13.185318.11442@sq.sq.com

The file is also available with WAIS from the source comp.text.sgml.src.
Search for Rubinsky, then retrieve the file named "185318".

The information is also available with gopher:

	Host: gopher.ifi.uio.no
	Port: 70

Select "SGML" (7), then "comp.text.sgml" (3), "by.date" (1), "1992" (2),
"19921113" (252), and lastly "185318" (5).  Alternatively, access the
file with:

	Name=185318
	Type=0
	Port=70
	Path=0/pub/SGML/comp.text.sgml/by.date/1992/19921113/185318
	Host=ifi.uio.no

FTP-by-mail users can send a message to <sgml.ftp@ifi.uio.no> with the
following command to retrieve the article:

	RETR <1992Nov13.185318.11442@sq.sq.com>

(This is a general mechanism to retrieve articles from the archive by
message-ID.)

NOTE: The file names will change, as a further breakdown of the
directory structure in the by.date directory will take place at or
before Jan 1st, 1993.  The new file names will be more descriptive,
like: /pub/SGML/comp.text.sgml/by.date/1992/11/13/185318.yuri@sq.sq.com.
Please do not propagate this article, but wait for its next edition, to
reflect the new directory structure.

Best wishes for the holidays and for the new year to all readers of the
newsgroup and users of the archive,

</Erik>
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                            ISO 10744 HyTime
<erik@naggum.no>            ISO  9899 C                 Memento, terrigena
<enag@ifi.uio.no>           ISO 10646 UCS             Memento, vita brevis
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml,comp.text
From: eric@csg.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Mackie)
Subject: Re: Tool for 'automatic' markup
Organization: Computer Systems Group, University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:30:34 GMT

In article <20180.2b34a24a@ul.ie> murraya@ul.ie writes:
>Do anybody out there know anything about an application to `automatically` 
>generate markuped text, (possibly according to an sgml DTD) from an ordinary 
>ASCII file. 
>
>I like this application to work on user defined rules.
>
>          Aonghus
>  
> 
There is a product called OmniMark from Software Exoterica in Ottawa, Canada
which we have been using to translate text to SGML from a number of different
formats including ASCII and WordPerfect. We have found this to be an
excellent tool and have used it to translate thousands of pages of text.

OmniMark is very full-functioned and therefore a fairly expensive product,
however they have an academic research licence which is only $250. Anyone
interested can contact Eric Skinner at (613)722-1700 or by email at
ers@xgml.com.

By the way I have no involvement with this company except as a happy user.

Eric Mackie
Computer Systems Group
University of Waterloo

Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
From: phade@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Frank Gadegast)
Subject: LOOKING FOR Rubinsky's article
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 10:36:34 GMT

Hi,

Somebody told me to get an article by somebody called 'Rubinsky' posted
to this news-group about the things happened to SGML, HyperODA etc. during
the last year. He sayd, this article was a great summary ...

DOES somebody knows this, and could e-mail me a copy

  or

Mr. Rubinsky, could you send me a copy ?


Thnx in advance and
   merry chrismas and a happy new year to all the netters ... Phade
 
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From: rath@igd.fhg.de (Hans Holger Rath)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: Precedence of SGML Operators?
Keywords: SGML, Operator Precedence, MARKIT-Parser
Date: 28 Dec 92 11:14:01 GMT
Organization: Haus der Graphischen Datenverarbeitung, 6100 Darmstadt, Germany


Hey folks,

I've I problem with the operator precedence in SGML.

I parsed an incorrect (?) SGML file with the markit 2.0 parser, but no
error message or warning occurs.

The problem in detail:

When the DTD has following element definition

<!ELEMENT x - - (z, (a* | b*)) >

(with the intention to allow a z followed by repeatative a's OR repeatative b's)

and the sgml instance looks like this

	<x>
	<z>...</z>
	<a>...</a>
	<b>...</b>        <------- !!! Error !!! ------->
	<a>...</a>
	</x>

the markit says, that it is okay.

When I change the element definition to

	<!ELEMENT x - - (z, ((a*) | (b*))) >
	                     -  -   -  -

the markit prints an error message for the "b" tag, what I expected already with
the first definition.

Is this a bug of the markit or is my interpretation of the operator precedence
in SGML wrong?

Is the first element definition equivalent to

	<!ELEMENT x - - (z, ((a* | b)*)) > ???
	                     _      _

I don't think so and Mr. Martin Bryan in "SGML an Author's Guide", page 111 don't
think so, too.

I always thought, that the occurence indicators ("?", "+", "*") have a higher
precedence than the group connectors ("|", ",", "&").

What do the experts think about these problems?


Thanks in advance,

--Holger


P.S.: I wish everybody an HAPPY NEW YEAR.

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