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From: allanc@cs.su.oz.au (Restless Wanderer)
Subject: Re:NY Jets 
Reply-To: allanc@cluster.cs.su.oz (Restless Wanderer)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:12:07 GMT
Keywords: \

As an Australian who TRIES to keep up with the NFL/AFL I have a few questions.

Am I the only Jets fan (smart comments are not welcome  ;-)   )
Could some nice person like to give me their impressions ofthe Jets line up,
especially the Q'back.
He seems to have a nice pass,but little defence to protect him.

Remember we get 2 hours every Sat of highlights,and I'm yet to see a game
in which the Jets feature  (bar the round up,where we seem to get trounced
every show.)

Jets for 93 ?
Thanks in advance


******************************************************************************
* Allan Creighton           "There are important matters to be resolved here *
* Dept of Computer Science   and the fear of being hanged on a democratic    *
* University of Sydney       gallows will delay me until next spring"        *
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From: grundusk@sunflare.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Kevin Grunduski)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: ***** SB - MVP *****
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:04:36 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

In article <1992Nov5.152159.14530@bcrka451.bnr.ca>, srs@bnr.ca (Shailesh Sutarwala) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> Can someone recall who was the MVP for the last Super Bowl ?

Rypien
From: cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: THE BET II
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:48:50 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


    
                    
                     FAN                           FAN OF
      
                    *1. Abhay                      Bills
                    *2. Dan Kary                   Dolphins
                     3. Chris                      Bills 
                     4. Bill Perry                 Bills
                     5. Jon                        Bills
                     6. JMC162 Penn St. U.         Bills
                     7. delarocq North Car. St. U. Bills
                     8. James E. Kist              Bills
                     9. markl@spuddy               Bills
                    10. Joel Ian Marcey            Bills
                    11. Richard Turner             Dolphins
                    12. Jim Bohy                   Dolphins
                    13. -doug THE dolfan-          Dolphins
    
                   * = Gentleman's bet
         

           Well, the spread is Buffalo by one the last I heard. Lets see 
here: Miami at home, on a Monday night, and a dog. Should be a great AFC
Championship. Only about another 7,620 minutes till kickoff. Hope my wife
hides the beer till about 7:00 Monday night, or someone will have to tell
me if I lost THE BET II.


                                   -doug THE dolfan-
  
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From: saari@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jonathan Saari)
Subject: Re: Cowboys Meal Menu
Reply-To: saari@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS ASIC, Chandler, AZ
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:37:07 GMT


CIn article <BxJB9x.2Mp@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:
C>The following is the lunch menu for the Cowboys leading up this Sundays
C>Cowboys/Rams game at Texas Stadium:
C>
C>Thursday  : Ram Chops
C>Friday    : Chicken Fried Ram
C>Saturday  : Roast Leg of Ram
C>Sunday    : Battered and Deep Fried Ram
C>
C>The Rams haven't got a prayer on Sunday against the Cowboys. I can pick on the
C>
CIf their is prayer, then anything is possible. :-)
CNow wouldn't it be wonderful if the Rams shit kick the 'Boyz's 
Cbehind. Presumably, not everyone has learned that ANY team can
Close a game. Although, I am a 'Boyz/Rams basher, I hope the RAMS,
CRAM up and down the 'Boyz's throats/asses.
C-- 
C  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
C"I do not think that winning is the most important thing. 
CI think winning is the only thing."    - Bill Veeck
From: v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JONNY B. GOODE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills vs. Steelers Observations
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:14:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BxFqAt.AxE@mail.boi.hp.com>, keithg@boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson) writes...
>Imran Qureshi (iqrh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu) wrote:
>: The Bills looked good on the offensive side of the ball by rolling up 488
>: yards of offense.  They would have scored 35 if they hadn't run out the
>: clock.  They're just a class team.
>: 
> 
> 
>	I'm not a Bills-basher, but Buffalo is not a class team. A good
>	team, yes, but not a class team.
> 
> 
>	-keith

	Not a class team?  That's your opinion, and I guess you're entitled to
it.  However, since you don't live in Buffalo you do not see all the off-field
contributions the players from this team makes.  BTW, if you're talking about
Buffalo's on-field antics -- I think it all comes down to who wins the game, not
how pretty or polite they look while doing it.  This is football, Keith, not
etiquette class.

Jonny B.
From: martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Montana throwing again...ho hum
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:35:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: cis.1992Nov11.043554.13054
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science

In article <15424@auspex-gw.auspex.com> ben@auspex.com writes:
>
>I want to see Montana Back but not this year . The last thing I wan't to see
>is another quarterback controversy in SF/Bay Area they are doing great right
>now with Steve Young why change it .

If I were a 49er fan, I'd view Montana as insurance.  Young is
indeed playing well, and there are those that think highly of
Bono--certainly Bono looked good last year.

But, one QB's not enough.  Sometimes, 2 QBs isn't enough.  The
season is long, and for a team going to the playoffs longer yet.
Suppose Young or Bono gets hurt.  The 49ers have to either bring
in another QB (as a Packer fan, my prediction is Blair Kiel or
Anthony Dilweg) or activate Montana.  The choice would tell us a
lot of what Seifert thinks of Montana's health.

My bet is Montana never plays another regular season down, or that
if he does, he's just a shadow of his former self.  He's worth
keeping on IR in case he does make a comeback, and in case of
emergency.  Otherwise I wouldn't expect him to play this year.
Next year he'll look like any other over-the-hill QB (Anyone else
remember watching Starr's last game against the Dolphins?  How
about Johnny Unitas' last year (with the Chargers)?  Very sad.).

On the other hand, Montana probably thinks he can do it, and
betting against him hasn't been a winning proposition in the past.

-- 

	Think snow!

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: JGH computer predictions
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 11 NOV 92 10:08:35    

Last week:  11-3
Cumulative: 91-35 (72%)

Packers       7 Giants       27    5 +
Browns       24 Oilers       14    8 -
Cowboys      37 Lions         3   -4 +
Raiders      10 Eagles       31    9 +
Dolphins     28 Colts         0   -1 +
Vikings      35 Buccaneers    7   -5 +
Saints       31 Patriots     14   -9 +
Jets         16 Broncos      27    7 +
Cardinals    20 Rams         14    4 -
Steelers     20 Bills        28    4 +
Chargers     14 Chiefs       16    5 +
Redskins     16 Seahawks      3   -7 +
Bengals      31 Bears        28    7 -
49ers        41 Falcons       3   -1 +

Week 11:  The number after the game is not intended as an actual point 
spread.  It is more just an indication of how sure the computer is of 
it's prediction.  Negative numbers mean the visiting team will win, 
positive numbers that the home team will win.

Eagles     at   Packers      -6
Bengals    at   Jets          3
Lions      at   Steelers      4
Oilers     at   Vikings       7
Patriots   at   Colts         6
Cardinals  at   Falcons       3
Chargers   at   Browns        3
Redskins   at   Chiefs        2
Rams       at   Cowboys      11
Bears      at   Buccaneers    1
Saints     at   49ers         3
Seahawks   at   Raiders       8
Giants     at   Broncos       4
Bills      at   Dolphins      3

JGH

"There are three things that are important to every man in this room.  
 His religion, his family, and the Green Bay Packers, in that order"
                   - Vince Lombardi as quoted by Jerry Kramer
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Status of Andre Reed?
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:03:19 CST

In article <1992Nov9.224859.10402@leland.Stanford.EDU> paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische) writes:
>Anyone out there know what's wrong with Andre Reed?  In his last two games he
>has caught 4 passes for 24 yards (2-22, and 2-2).  He's usually a huge part of
>the Bills offense.  Is he hurt?

I think he draws a lot of the coverage, which frees up a one-on-one
situation for the "ageless one" (Lofton).  Of course, I could be wrong
here.

Isn't Lofton amazing, though?
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Damned for all time...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: playoff question
Date: 13 Nov 92 05:17:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov11.214842.13299@seas.smu.edu>, chandy@seas.smu.edu (Alexy 
	Chandy) writes...

>hey guys,

hey alex,

>	Would anybody refresh me on how the teams are picked from each
>	of the conferences for the playoffs?

Oh, sure...the winner of each division advances, as do the three teams with the
best records who are *not themselves* winners of any division.

The teams are ranked as follows:

	1.) DC1
	2.) DC2
	3.) DC3
	4.) WC1
	5.) WC2
	6.) WC3

The first round plays as follows:
	WC3 @ DC3
	WC2 @ WC1

The second round matchups are dependent upon the 1st-round results.  Should WC3
win, they go to DC1, and the winner of the other Wild Card Game travels to DC2.
Should DC3 win, however, they travel to DC2, while the remaining WC team travels
to DC1 to do battle.

The following rules apply for who has home field advantage in any matchup:
	
	1.)  The team with the better regular season record is the host;

	and,

	2.)  No Wild Card team may host any divisional champion.

Allow me to illustrate with an example from last year:

	1.)  Buffalo Bills (13-3) 	DC1
	2.)  Denver Broncos (12-4)	DC2
	3.)  Houston Oilers (11-5)	DC3
	4.)  Kansas City Chiefs (10-6)	WC1
	5.)  Los Angeles Raiders (9-7)  WC2
	6.)  New York Jets (8-8)	WC3

(The numbers are, I believe, correct.  The ranking is 100% correct.)

Now, the schedule was:  New York @ Houston, LA @ KC

Houston won, so the winner of the LA-KC game had to travel to Buffalo.  If, 
however, the Jets had managed to complete their upset, they would have traveled
to Buffalo, and the other survivor would have had to go to Houston.

Personally, I find the 3 WC system superior to the 2-WC system for two main
reasons:

	1.)  More exciting
	2.)  The teams who are off during the first round do not know who their
	opponents will be until a week before game time.  Under the old system,
	The best team in the conference was penalized because they would have
	one week to prepare for their next opponent, while the other 2
	divisional winners had two weeks to prepare for each other.

Just my 3 cents...

>						thanks..alex.

					---Chet
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From: cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: idiotic posts
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:55:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Nov12.084140.1110@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, chris@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes:
>> Lots of stuff deleted
> 
>>I agree completely.  Tops on the list of idiots are the Bills/Dolphins fans.
>>They spew crap like this before the game is played, which is even worse.
> 
>    Why do you not say *some* Bills/Dolphins fans?  Not all fans spew garbage
> before a game, only *some* do.  Ignorance puts you at the top of the Idiot
> list buddy.
> 

    I thought that it was actually kind of quiet between the Bills and
Dolphins fans this time around. I think THE BET II has filtered out any
loud mouth ravings. Unless you think THE BET II is garbage, then we are
at an impass. I think it has actually helped.

                        -doug THE dolfan-
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From: sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma)
Subject: Re: WIZARD PREDICTIONS!!!!!!!
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:34:46 GMT

In article <97467@netnews.upenn.edu> sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev  Sajja) writes:

>foster. Considering that getting 300 yards passing against a mediocre defense 
>is not that easy, the way minnesota D is playing it will be quite tough
>for the teams they are playing to do that. 
>
Well, I know that this isn't a real relevant stat, but it seems to
me that the Minnesota D gave up 700+ yards in the last 2 games..of 
course their opponents only totaled 17 points off of that yardage.
Does anyone have the total yards for the Tampa, Chicago games?

A Vikings Fan waiting for the Eagles....


-- 
Eric Sybesma                                    sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu
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From: nlatif@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Nor Azlisya Abdul Latif)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: I'm gonna rip Greg Gumble's head off!!!
Date: 9 Nov 92 04:36:57 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <BxFJw9.KJL@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> bodom@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Odom) writes:

[much deleted]

>
>Same here.  Both were blowouts, why not stay with the blowout already in
>progress?  I was upset by this too.  (And NBC wasn't showing a game at the
>time either).
>
>-- 
>Brian T Odom

Why?? NBC was showing the Eagles game here (of course). 
YES!!!  We WON!!! Mc Mahon was great!!  Oh, Richie... do you have to bring
Randall back next week?? Arrh...you've promised.  Just hope we'll win again
next week at GB. 

GO EAGLES!!!

Azli.
From: tes0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (THOMAS EDWIN SCHMIDLIN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 2,000 yard rusher
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:47:46 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <Bx9DKG.Dwt@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v130pwbq@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-C
HRIST) writes:
>I was wondering if anyone knows who the last man to rush for 2,000 yards was?
>I think it was Dickerson but i'm not sure. The reason i'm asking is that at
>Emmitt Smith's present pace he has a pretty good chance of reaching that mark.
>After having played 8 games Emmitt has 896 yards rushing and has played against
>the Eagles twice, Kansas City, and Washington, just to name a few good defenses
.
>With the teams that Dallas has left on it's schedule it is very likely that
>Emmitt could rush for 1,000 + yards in the next 8 games. He is without a doubt
>the best running back playing this year.
>    _____________________________________________________________________
>   |   Miami Dolphins and Hurricanes:        * Eric Orologio " Dr. O"    |
>   |   Two of the Best teams in Football!    * V130pwbq @ubvms           |
>   |_____________________________________________________________________|
>

I will have to take exception to your "without a doubt the best running back
playing" claim.  In a name, Barry Foster.  Emmitt Smith may be better, the
jury is not back on that one yet.  Foster did lead the NFL in rushing until
just last week when Smith passed him.  We'll just have to wait and see.
Saying he is the best without a doubt is not giving credit where credit is
due.
 
-- 


Tom Schmidlin       DEEP THOUGHTS: By Jack Handey - I wish a robot would
TES0@LEHIGH.EDU         get elected president.  That way, when he came
215-758-0875            to town, we could all take a shot at him and not
                        feel too bad.
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From: whitesel@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Daniel Whitesell)
Subject: Re: They might be faking it...
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:21:09 GMT

In article <910427m.63.721319824@ace.acadiau.ca> 910427m@ace.acadiau.ca (JASON MATTHEW MCDONALD) writes:
>
stuff deleted

>Picture this.  Bears winning by a fair margin ( 14 I think), 2nd Half
>Bengels have the ball on or about their 45 yard line. 
>It's fourth down.
>1 to go.
>The Bengals line up to go for it.
>The ever so intelligent ESPN reporter says;
>'They're going to go for it, or at least fake it'
		
Often teams will line up and try to get the D to jump offsides, thus
getting a first down by penalty!  If this doesn't work they punt.

>
>FAKE IT?????  What the hell does FAKE IT mean.  How the HELL to you fake 
>going on a fourth down?  I don't know, maybe this guy sees something I don'
>t.  But if you ask me, it's just plain stupidity.
>

If Joe Thiesman said it, you are right.  Wise up ESPN dump Joe.

whitesel@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dan Whitesell)
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From: jdhl@troi.cc.rochester.edu (papa_sm00sh)
Subject: Miami vs Buffalo... what a game it will be
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 16:48:39 GMT


check out the stats for these two teams...

                               W   L  T    Pct.  PF  PA
Miami                          7   2  0   .778   230 151
Buffalo                        7   2  0   .778   234 149


also... Kelley has 18 touchdowns, Marino 17
defense, buffalo:  rushing 4th, passing 10th
defense, miami:    rushing 5th, passing 15th

buffalo leads the points for column by 4
buffalo leads the points against column by 2

this looks like a pretty evenly matched game, going by the stats
anyway... 


jason

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From: pboxrud@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul D Boxrud)
Subject: Re: Bears fake punt illegal (was Re: Brown
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 11:51:19 GMT

In article <lffk0fINN5l3@cronkite> andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>
>I also don't know at what point Mark Green stopped running,  he may have stopp
ed
>5 yards from the sideline.
>
>
>
>
>
>---
>Andy Knipp                    |
>Sun Microsystems              | The secret to success is sincerity,
>Chicago Loop District         | once you can fake that,  you have it made.
>andy@sunloop.central.sun.com  |
>


He stopped a few inches from the line.

Paul
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Subject: Re: Okoye or Word???
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:45:20 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <27447@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, kday@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kevin Day) writes:
>  Well, it looked like Barry Word was going to play last week and he
>didn't. What's the word (no pun) out of KC this week. Will Okoye be
>getting most of the action or will Word be back?
>
Well, Word was still slightly hampered last week. I'm *guessing*
that Okoye will start, but Word will see playing time.
--
Scott D. Davis <scott@mccall.com>       The McCall Pattern Company
(uucp: ...!widener!depot!mccall!scott)	615 McCall Road
(800)255-2762, in Kansas (913)776-4041  Manhattan, KS 66502, USA
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From: ric@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ricardo.g.irvin)
Subject: Re: LT - Parcells duo ; some comments
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:57:29 GMT

In article <1222@alsys1.aecom.yu.edu> larry@aecom.yu.edu (Larry Simmons) writes:
>In article <00963729.84F90EE0@vms.csd.mu.edu> 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
>writes:
>>
>>Hi there
>>There have been indications/rumors that LT may be back
>>if Bill comes back to coach NYG. IMHO it would be a bad move
>>for both himself and the Giants.
I agree,
Parcells, is a smart man, the only way he would comeback (and IMO the
main reason every GIANTs fan think he is so great) would be if he had
a 23 year old LT to work with. And that will never happen.
I, even though I think parcells was an above average coach, dont think
he can take the GIANTS in their present state and do any better than
what Handly(sp?) is doing right now.
I do think Parcells is one of the best at seeing a players potential and
an exellent motivator (which he wasnt, IMO, untill around 1984-85).

>Besides, there is no way that Parcells will be back to "battle" George Young
>and Wellington Mara. There was no love lost there. The only way Bill would be
>back, would be if Tish bought out Mara and then fired Young.
speaking of battles.
Here is something to ponder Larry, Over the next couple of seasons who 
was correct in their selection:
Parcells wanted Cortez Kennedy
G.Young got Rodney Hamption (?)
>---
>          Larry Simmons                        larry@aecom.yu.edu
>  Research Information Technology        ...!{uunet,att}!alsys1!larry
>Albert Einstein College of Medicine   ...!meadowlnds!sec_227!row_7!seat_19!me
>


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From: reiniger@ug.cs.dal.ca (Darren Reiniger)
Subject: Re: NFL team logos
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:29:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.130136.14077@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> john@ice.stx.com writes:
>
>About a week ago somebody mentioned that they would be posting 
>some gifs of NFL logos in alt.binaries.pics this week.  Did I miss
>them or haven't they been posted yet ?
>
>
>JD

 You haven't missed them.  I've been busy lately, so I haven't gotten
 around to finishing up the NBA logos.
 And once those are done, I'm going to be re-considering whether or not
 to do the NFL logos.  I had mail from a few people mentioning that the NFL
 is more protective of it's logos than are the other leagues, so it may not
 be a wise idea to go ahead with them.  
 Well, I know copyrights are broken left and right on the pictures newsgroups,
 but needless to say I'm not in the mood to get into any hot water over this.
 In any event, if I do decide to do the NFL logos they are another week or
 2 away yet.

 For what it's worth,
   Darren

-- 

 Darren Reiniger                   reiniger@ug.cs.dal.ca || arishem@ac.dal.ca
| People who wonder where this generation is going should remind themselves   |
| where it came from in the first place.                                      |
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