HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jmaster@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Justin Masters)
Subject: Re: LDS Church & Genealogy
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro  OR
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 21:24:23 GMT

schaerer@isibee (Thomas Schaerer) writes:

>Sharolyn Pyeatt (LIBSJP@VM.BYU.EDU) wrote:
>: With regards to Jamie Andrews' question regarding why the LDS Church
>: is so actively involved with preserving genealogical records...
>: 
>: The "nutshell" reason is that genealogical work is an integral part
>: of the religion.  Mormons believe that it is their responsibility to
>: ensure that their ancestors have the opportunity to accept/reject the
>: LDS ordinances of baptism, endowment and sealing.
>: 
>: If you wish a more detailed answer, please contact me directly & I'll
>: provide it.
>: 
>: Sharolynn Pyeatt


>	**********************************************************
>	*    ATTENTION:  That's a typical LDS-propaganda !!!!    *
>	*********************************************************

Thomas,

  Calling a tenet of one's religion propoganda is really quite insensitive
  and really does a lot to show others of your ignorance of their 
  beliefs.  

  Sharolyn is correct, but another reason is that the LDS church holds
  the family unit at the core of their beliefs.  If you study that 
  religion, you'll find the usage of such terms as "Father in Heaven",
  the addressing of one another as "brothers and sisters", due to 
  the belief in an eternally based family.  

  The work that is done under the genealogy program is as Sharolyn 
  has posted.  I don't wish to get into theological discussions in
  this newsgroup, but let me just say this, to help clear your 
  perceived understanding of this so-called propoganda.  

  The genealogical work identifies people, and the current belief is
  that each person must undergo a series of steps with regard to 
  ordinances, in order for everyone to have a chance to return to our
  Father in Heaven. However, the decision is left up to the person whose
  name is being represented through proxy to accept these teachings. What 
  this makes evident is the assumption that these people are alive now.
  Yes, that belief is held, but that currently, they exist in a spiritual
  form, to be reunited with their respective bodies during a resurrection
  period.  With regards to the ordinances I mentioned above, baptism is
  one, and there are others.  Remember, the choice is left up to the 
  individual to accept for themselves to believe in these teachings.  They
  are not forced into the Mormon Church.  

  Anyway, I hate to see some people make such statements and then give
  no reasons as to why they say that.  You really end up hurting your
  own credibility Thomas.

  Justin Masters
From: STR008@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Julie Nott)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Problems with LISTSERV
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:59:43 GMT
Reply-To: Julie Nott <STR008@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
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I too am having problems with the LISTSERV@vm1.nodak.edu while trying to
get files from the genealog directory.

Anyone out there who can find out what the problem is?

->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->-->
  JULIE NOTT (JULES) <STR008@UKCC.UKY.EDU> SEARCHING: MONK, BARLOW,
  UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY                   COPELAND, BISHOP, LEYSATH
->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->
SOMETHING HAS BEEN DISCOVERED THAT DOES THE WORK OF 5 MEN...ONE WOMAN.
From: wipke@moldes.ucsc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Precision Indexing and KwikSearch/Vision View
Date: 15 Sep 92 07:10:19 GMT
Organization: UCSC Molecular Engineering Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: moldes.ucsc.edu

Has anybody had any real experience with Precision indexing company,
KwikSearch datasets on floppy, or their Vision View software for faster
searching of Census, Marriage and other tabular research materials on
IBM PC?  They seem to be marketed by Historic Resources, Inc of Bountiful
Utah, census and Marriage data ,e.g., $15 for 5,100 names for Missouri up
to 1825 for marriages on floppy.  Is the indexing good, is the software good?
      They have inquired about distributing a database we have for a
royalty of 8-12%, has anyone else been approached by them or done business
in terms of them distributing your data ?
       Thanks in advance.  Please send me a copy of your reply directly
because my access to this list is infrequent.

Todd Wipke
wipke@secs.ucsc.edu
University of California
Sant Cruz, CA
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:12:10 EDT
Reply-To:     Gary Steiner <STEINER@MUPPET.DNET.GE.COM>
From:         Gary Steiner <STEINER@MUPPET.DNET.GE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Why not a soc.roots.tiny-tafel?
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

>With the recent suggestion that Tiny Tafels be psoted to soc.roots for
>cross posting to Fidonet the traffic in this group is becoming excessive.
>Whilst I don't want to discourage the exchange of information perhaps the
>TTs ought to be split off in to a separate groups (soc.roots.tiny-tafel or
>some such)?

Excessive?  Define excessive.  I've seen maybe a half dozen tiny tafels
posted to this list, and you call that excessive?  If I get 200 messages a
week, that means 3 percent are tiny tafels.

You're misunderstanding the problem.  What is happening is that people are
posting these files to ROOTS-L when they should be sending them to FidoNet
where they can be of some use.  Referring to the message that started it all
in the first place:

>Gating FIDONET genealogy conferernces to here would swamp you. There are many
>genealogy conferences in FIDONET. The U.S. genealogy conference has 250
>messages a day in it.
>
>You can avail yourself of TMS through Internet. Post your tiny-tafel here and
>I will capture it. Give me the names you want matched and the dates and I
>will send you back the matching report.
>
>That is the quid pro quo. You participate by submitting your tiny-tafel and
>we give you the report.
>
>--
>Brian Mavrogeorge - via FidoNet node 1:125/555
>    UUCP: ...!uunet!hoptoad!kumr!fidogate!30.0!Brian.Mavrogeorge
>INTERNET: Brian.Mavrogeorge@p0.f30.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG

Instead of cluttering up ROOTS-L with tiny tafels, send them to Brian on
FidoNet, which would be: Brian.Mavrogeorge@p0.f30.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 07:33:07 SST
Reply-To:     Richard Pennell <HISCRP@NUSVM.BITNET>
From:         Richard Pennell <HISCRP@NUSVM.BITNET>
Subject:      National Archives Rentals

A recent posting said that the USNA rents ot census microfilms. Does
anyone know if it rents out other microfilms, or lends them on ILL?
For instance Dept of State would be nice.
Pennell History NUS
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X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4beta PL7]
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Content-Length: 1508
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:59:20 CDT
Reply-To:     Cliff Manis <cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM>
From:         Cliff Manis <cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM>
Subject:      Macintosh Archive Site
Comments: To: "(Genealogy Information)" <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU>

Readers:

I have noticed that during the last month or two, lots of people here
have been discussing several programs for the Mac (Macintosh).

Let me say now, that I do not have one, and do not use one in the office
but do like some of the software written for it.

Today, while reading one of the USENET groups, I found the message
below, and am posting part of it here, mainly because many of you
reading this list have a MAC and lots of software is available for
the machine.  I did not see any software pretaining directly to
Genealogy but there is a lot of different FONTS available which could
be used in preparing your family histories.

Please note that this archive site IS NOT available through LISTSERV
and is available through regular Email.

Read all this message before - doing anything ! ! !

> 		The Michigan Macintosh Archive Help File
>
> Welcome to BART, Brode's Archive Retrieval Thang,  Michigan's Mac mail
> server. To use the server, send a message to mac@mac.archive.umich.edu.
> The subject line is ignored. The body of the message should contain, one per
> line, any of the following commands.  Each of the commands sends its output
> back to you via mail.
>
> 	"help"
> 		This command tells BART to send you this file.

The "help" file is only about 4500 bytes, but the index file is
over 700,000 bytes and if ordered it will be sent in 17 different
messages about 43k each.  I received both of them today, so beware of
its size.

That's all for now...  Good Luck.. cliff
From: ray.whidden@canrem.com (ray whidden)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: what now?
Date: 15 Sep 92 02:00:45 GMT
Reply-To: "ray whidden" <ray.whidden@canrem.com>
Distribution: soc
Organization: Canada Remote Systems




SH>On <08 Sep 1992 21:05> Fred Rump from home said to All :

SH> FRfh>Anyhow, Matt is not working this weekend but maybe somebody
SH> FRfh>here know. There
SH> FRfh>are these files bk5a.exe - bk5d.exe which matt claims are
SH> FRfh>selfextracting,
SH> FRfh>whatever that means.

On MS/PC-DOS system, *.EXE files are executable and .ZIP files are 
compressed archives.  There is a special form of archive with a built
in unarchive routine with the extension .EXE which you simple type the
command BK5A and it extracts the component files.  Self evident?

Regards, Ray

Internet: ray.whidden@canrem.com : RIME    : ->CRS : 46 Campania Crescent,
UUCP: canrem!ray.whidden FidoNet: 1:250/632 : Scarborough, Ontario M1V 2E9

 * DeLuxe2 1.21 #4419 * Modems.....reach out and BYTE someone!
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Tiny Taffel (My First)
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 13:44:35 GMT

I hereby submit my first TT (with fingers crossed!)

N Diane M. Kimball
A 1196 Hollenbeck Avenue
A Sunnyvale, CA 94087
T (408) 730-5778
S AOL - DianeK9033@aol.com
S Internet - 6175190@lmsc5.is.lmsc.lockheed.com
D 3/Macintosh/400
F Tiny Tafel for the Mac 1.0
Z 10
T400 1815*1927.Thull\Oberstathfelt bie Trier,Deu/Sauk Centre, MN
P412 1801*1910*Pflipsen\Germany/Meier Grove,MN
S430 1829*1936*Schulte\Helden,Westphalia,Deu/Greenwald,MN
N300 1783:1992.Nathe\Kruberg, Sauerland(Deu)/MN
M614 1826*1904*Merfeild\RGBZ Trier,Kreis Daun, Deu
P152 1868*1952*Poepping\New Munich, MN/Sauk Centre, MN
T100 1831*1883*Theveo\Deu/Meier Grove, MN
B652 1835*1835*Brang\Coln, Deu/MN
W256 1895*1895*Weisner\Delano, MN/Mpls, MN
W436 1898*1898*Walter\Rockford, MN/MN
W 08 Sep 1992

















Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: gordon@sneaky.lonestar.org (Gordon Burditt)
Subject: Re:      New England Onomastics
Organization: Gordon Burditt
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 09:58:30 GMT

>>But this Jonathon is known to have had a son, Jonathon Jr. Would
>>Jonathon Sr. have been likely to have named one son Jonathon &
>>another one John?
>
>Could one have died and then the parents reused the name (albeit in a
>different form) for a subsequent child?  That's what happened in my
>family.  My gr-gr-grandparents had a son named Winburn (1856-1857.)  A
>later son was also named Winburn (he was born in 1873.)

It has happened several times in my family that the name of a child
who died young would be re-used the next time a child of the appropriate
sex was born.  These were without any variations in the first name
(two consecutive "Elisabeth"s, about 2 1/2 years apart, for example).  I 
don't have any information on the middle names, so I don't know if they 
were the same or not.

					Gordon L. Burditt
					sneaky.lonestar.org!gordon
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: FAQ (was Re: LDS Church & Genealogy
Organization: University of Toronto -- Hart House
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:09:50 GMT

Is there a FAQ for this newsgroup?

Aryk Nusbacher
From: mfc@medoc.aux.apple.com (Matt Caprile)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Genealogy files by ftp
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:41:42 GMT
Organization: A/UX Group, Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

I uploaded the most recent Brother's Keeper to hallc1.cebaf.gov a few
days ago. They are in /genealogy/programs. I downloaded them from John
Steed's BBS on Aug 27, 92. These files were updated around Aug 23, 92
(by John Steed, I presume). The files are (drumroll, please) :

       size        date           name
       ----        ----           ----
      299290    Sep  1 11:03    bk5a.exe
      208154    Sep  1 11:03    bk5b.exe
      349466    Sep  1 11:04    bk5c.exe
      441626    Sep  1 11:04    bk5d.exe

The file descend5.exe was updated the day after I downloaded all of the
above, and should be in either /genealogy/Uploads/descend5.exe, or
/genealogy/programs/descend5.exe. Also, I didn't download the doc file,
since it hadn't changed since Jan 92. Grab bk50bd5.zip, which contains
the doc file (bk5doc.exe) and toss out everything else.

I would like to take this occaison to thank Stephen Wood for providing
the anonymous ftp server for genealogy related programs.

- matt
--

  --- Matthew Caprile    || Hey, I only speak for myself ! Even I  ---
  ---                    || won't admit to the opinions expressed  ---
  --- caprile@apple.com  || here, so don't expect my employer to.  ---
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X-Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth, North Dartmouth, MA, USA
X-VMS-To: IN::"roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu"
X-VMS-Cc: RBETTENCOURT
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:57:00 EDT
Reply-To:     RBETTENCOURT@UMASSD.EDU
Comments:     A VAX cluster with VMS V5.5, PMDF V4.0-22, JNET V3.5 & UCX V1.3A
From:         RBETTENCOURT@UMASSD.EDU
Subject:      Brothers Keeper and pictures
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

I just had to let everyone on ROOTS-L know that I took Cliff Manis' advice and
connected to John Steed's BBS at 616-364-1127.  Besides downloading new
versions of some of the Brothers Keeper files, I also downloaded (it was very
easy to do on Steed's menu driven bbs) a file called STEED16.EXE which was
described as a self-extracting file of STEED16.PCX (a picture in 16 shades of
gray).  It took me a while to figure out what to do with it--I had to run
STEED16.EXE which created the STEED16.PCX file; then, I had to attach the file
to a specific person in my database using the $$ note in the message file.  I
just added it to the first person in my database (it didn't matter who it
was).

When I displayed the picture on the screen,
I couldn't believe how GREAT it looked!  I don't have a scanner, but I
figure if I scout around, I can probably locate someone who has one and will
let me use it.  It would be great to attach pictures, documents, and other
scanned items into people's files so they can be displayed on the screen.
Fortunately, I work in a school that probably has some kind of access to such
equipment, but even if it doesn't, the local community college probably does.

Recommendation to anyone using Brothers Keeper 5.0b:
Even if you don't have a scanner, if you do have VGA graphics, download the
above file and see what it looks like.  I think you'll be impressed.


Ron Bettencourt
Internet: rbettencourt@umassd.edu
Searching: BETTENCOURT, particularly in MA and Portugal
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: LDS Church & Genealogy
Date: 6 Sep 92 21:32:00 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

jeromema@cc.uvcc.edu writes:

>> express this thought to every Mormon on earth: I LOVE YOU, I LOVE
>> YOU, I LOVE YOU, I LOVE YOU.  The Family History Library has got to be
>> one of the most fabulous places anywhere.

>> 					Tom Wetmore

>Thanks for your thoughts, etc.  There ought to be more people like you.
>Marc D. Jerome
>A "Mormon" living in Provo, Utah

Hey, Marc! There's lots of us. I've never been approached to join or somehow 
pay homage to the LDS church. I've met some of the volunteers at the centers 
and they, one and all, are a very friendly bunch.  I presume they are LDS
members and therefore a credit to your faith.  These people do more good than
anyone might realize simply by being nice.

fred

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26 Warren St.   home: fred@icdi10.compu.com  that he/forgets his littleness'
Beverly, NJ. 08010                          		Don Marquis 
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From: vaghughe@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Greg Hughes)
Subject: Whigmaleerie or Tall Tale
Summary: Genealogical Joke
Originator: vaghughe@atlas.cs.upei.ca
Organization: University of Prince Edward Island
Distribution: NA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:41:20 GMT

All in the Family
    The children of the head of a prominent Scottish-American family decided
to give him a book of their family's history.  The genealogist that they
hired, was warned of one problem...Uncle Angus, the "black sheep" who had
gone to Sing Sing's electric chair for murder.  The genealogist promised to
handle the situation with tact and diplomacy.
     "I'll just say that Uncle Angus occupied a chair of applied electronics
at one of our nation's leading institutions.  He was attached to his
position with the strongest of ties.  His death came as a true shock."
From the Sept, 92 issue of TACTalk, the newsletter of Scottish Dance
Teachers around the world.
 


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Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, USA
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 08:51:58 MDT
Reply-To:     "Sharolyn Pyeatt" <LIBSJP@VM.BYU.EDU>
From:         "Sharolyn Pyeatt" <LIBSJP@VM.BYU.EDU>
Subject:      Clearing my "good" name (was re: LDS & GENEALOGY
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

I had no idea my response to a question would be so CONTROVERSIAL!!!
My intent was to respond in a "for your information only" format.

When a question like "Why do the LDS ..." appears, the quandry becomes
how detailed an answer does the requestor wish to receive.  Knowing
that when one person asks, there are a multitude of others who are
equally curious, one also wonders whether the response should be
directed at the individual or to the network.

If I felt the answer would be of general interest, I have posted a response
to the network, answering the question, but offering no detail.  Recognizing
that my response might be insufficient for some readers, I have extended
an invitation to contact me directly for more detail.

Were you to ask those who wished further information, I believe that you
would find that they received the more detailed answer and that I have
made no further attempt to contact them in any way.  The understanding
was that I do not represent the LDS Church and that our common bond was
an interest in genealogy.  By my way of thinking, an e-mail address is
sufficiently anonymous that individuals can ask questions in a relatively
stress-free environment.  Curiosity may be satisfied without feeling that
one is committing onself to any further action.

I apologize to those who may have been offended by my actions, for that
certainly was not my intent.  I have been sufficiently active in posting
other material, both individually and collectively, that it was clear
that my interest was in helping others further their research.  The LDS
Church offers wonderful resources for the genealogical researcher-- I would
hate to think that I was the cause of someone hestitating to use them
because of something that I said or did.

Thanks for your patience.

Sharolynn Pyeatt
(libsjp@vm.byu.edu)
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: decendents of General Nathnial Green
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:35:44 GMT
Organization: RAND Corporation.

In article <1992Sep9.115555.12261@relay.nswc.navy.mil> rweisbe@starfleet.nswc.navy.mil (Bob Weisbeck) writes:
>I have a great uncle who tells me that my great grandmother was a decendent
>of General Nathnial Green from the American Revolution.  I haven't had much
>time to look into this but I often thought that a chart of this type would
>already be figured out. Where would I look or would someone have that type
>of info to email to me.  

Melvyl says... Lesson #1... If there is General back then.. there is
a genealogy...

Title:  Antecedents of Major General Nathanael Greene : Delivered before
the Daughters of the American Revolution, and the Sons of the
American Revolution, on "General Greene's day," June 6, 1901,
in ... Providence, R.I. [Providence : s.n., 1901]
Description:    8 leaves

Notes:  Type-written.
Microfilm. New York : New York Public Library, [197-]. 1
microfilm reel ; 35 mm. (A collection of genealogies of
families in the United States ; reel 5, no. 95) s197?   nyu
a

Subjects:       Greene, Nathanael, 1742-1786.
Green family.

Other entries: A collection of genealogies of families in the United States
;
reel 5, no. 95.

Call numbers:   CSL     Sutro   MICRO- FILM 628 reel 5 no. 95

Author: Greene, George Sears, 1801-1899.
Title:  The Greenes of Rhode Island : with historical records of English
ancestry, 1534-1902 / comp. from the mss. of the late
Major-General George Sears Greene by Louise Brownell Clarke.
New York : [Greene], 1903.
Description:    xxviii, 892 p. : coats of arms, facsims., plates, ports. ;
30
cm.

Series: Genealogy & local history ; G110.

Notes:  "Memoirs of the life and services of George Sears Greene by his
son Francis Vinton Greene": p. ix-xxiii.
Includes index.
Microfiche. Sanford, N.C. : Microfilming Corporation of America,
1982. 11 microfiches ; 11x15 cm.

Subjects:       Green family.

Other entries: Clarke, Louise Brownell.
Greene, Francis Vinton, 1850-

Call numbers:   CSL     Sutro   MICRO- FICHE G3 G110

You should be off to a good start...

------------------Searching Before 1830-----------------------
|                                                            |
| Clark (TN)   Newton (GA,AL,TN,ARK)      Naylor (MD,KA)     |
| Haines (PA)  Pierce (PA)   Lloyd (VA)   Wise (MD,VA)       |
| Peck (MD,KY) Enfield (VA)  Hare (VA)    Ralls (VA,MD,KY)   |

|  1750-1890   Mitchell (Scotland,KY,OH,IN,OK,KA,MO)         |
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:34:44 -0400
Reply-To:     Bill Green <ak385@cleveland.Freenet.Edu>
From:         Bill Green <ak385@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: National Archives microfilm
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.Edu

>To the Bill Green/R. Bettencourt information on the National Archives
>MIcrofilm Rental Program,  add one small bit of information:  To the $25.00
>for the "Startup Kit" add $3.00 for postage and handling.  This information
>received from National Archives in a letter postmarked 9/5/92.

Nope, on the initial started kit purchase, it's only the $25.  The $3
postage applies to ordering films, if there's less than 3 ordered.


--
* Bill Green, Minot, North Dakota    ak385@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu *
*                  green%milo@plains.NoDak.Edu                   *
*  Researching:  ANHORN, KOHOUTEK, KOTCHIAN, HAVLENA, MARSCHALL  *
*    WILSON, BROWN, REED, IDE, MASON, GLEASON, COOK, LAMB        *