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From: aksurf.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Pacific Data
Date: 5 Oct 1992 23:54:14 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
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Hello,

I am looking for daily satellite images and milibar charts of the whole
pacific. I have looked at the various ftp sites without success. Can anyone
tell me where I could get such data, or tell me if I haven't looked hard enough
through the "sources of meteorological Data" FAQ. I would be greatful for any
information I could get. 

I am also considering using an AEA-Fax interface in between my short wave
receiver and a PC. Would such data be available on short wave fax broadcasts
accessible from the Western US ?

Thanks again fro any info. 


                             Axman
                         aksurf.caltech.edu

  
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: hannegan@hyperion.gsfc.nasa.gov (Bryan Hannegan)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Atmospheric Forecast Model Wanted
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:15:25 GMT
Followup-To: hannegan@halo.ps.uci.edu
Organization: University of California, Irvine

LAZY ATMOSPHERIC SCIENTIST WANTS TO AVOID REINVENTING THE WHEEL

     I was wondering if any of you out in net-land would have handy for ftp
or e-mail a meteorological model, preferably not a barotropic one, which
we could utilize here at UCI. Being the only practicing meteorologist here,
(recent grad, 1992, University of Oklahoma) I'd like to alleviate a little
meteorological boredom and have some maps to look at (or at least data).

     Yes, I realize that there is no weather here, but hey, I've got to keep 
the skills sharp somehow! Please e-mail replies to the above address 
(hannegan@halo.ps.uci.edu, in case you missed it) and UNIX, or VAX equally
welcome.

     Thanks everybody, and keep praying for rain for us!

______________________________________________________________________________
Bryan Hannegan                                hannegan@halo.ps.uci.edu
Department of Geosciences                     bhann@metgem.gcn.uoknor.edu
University of California, Irvine

"Models are a lot like sausages....you might not want to know what's in them!"
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From: harris@drvax3.msfc.nasa.gov (Mitch Harris)
Subject: Tornadoes in Florida?
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date:  6 Oct 92 03:37:16 GMT

Does anyone have any info on the series of tornadoes that just hit
Florida? Thnaks!

.....posted for the missus (Beverly H.)

--
Mitch Harris                           |  New Technology Inc.
(205)-544-2846                         |  700 Boulevard South, #401
drvax3!harris@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov    |  Huntsville, AL  35802

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From: woody@gergu2.tamu.edu (Woody Lee)
Subject: Xforecast...
Reply-To: woody@gergu2.tamu.edu
Organization: Texas A&M University -- GERG
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:06:26 GMT


Does anyone know where to find xforecast?  I've seen a VMS version but
am looking for a unix one.  Thanks.
--

Woody Lee    -=-=-   woody@gergu2.tamu.edu   -=-=-   (409) 862-2321 
GERG - Latex/A Data Office   |"That's the whole problem with science.
Texas A&M University	     | You've got a bunch of empiricists trying 
Department of Oceanography   | to describe things of unimaginable wonder."
College Station, TX 77845    |                - Calvin (& Hobbes)
From: gt4417a@prism.gatech.EDU (SKELTON,JOEL PHILLIP)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Analysis of weather images (lots of questions)
Keywords: GIF images processing
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:01:35 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I'm new to this whole meteorology thing but I've got
extensive experience with satellite image processing. 
With this in mind, I've got some questions that I'm 
certain most of you will be able to answer without
even working up a sweat. These all really concern the
images that are available from vmd.cso.uiuc.edu.

1. How are the lookup tables in the GIF files at vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
 derived. The visual and infrared files seem to have very erratic
 lookup tables ( not just histogram equalized or n-sigma stretched).

2. Are there any meaningful combinations of the visual and infrared
 images that would produce a meaningful result. That is could one produce
 a new image R from the V and I images using something like R = aV + bI 
 where a and b are real coefficients.

3. Why are the geo-political boundaries entered into the file as strange
 data values. The infrared files seem to put them at 17 and the visual
 file seemed to put them at 2.

4. Is there any way to fix the images with respect to common map
 projections? For example: are the coordinates (Lat/Lon, UTM, etc.)
 of the dots that make up the state boundaries known? Since they
 are able to overlay those outlines on the image the coordinates
must be available at some point in the process. Or else someone
has installed a set of REALLY bright lights around the periphery
of all of the states.


jps
bf

-- 
Joel Skelton   --    North Avenue Trade School, Dept. of Round Things
gt4417a@prism.gatech.edu   (ask for Scooter Technologies, and receive)
From: rtp1@quads.uchicago.edu (raymond thomas pierrehumbert)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Re: Relationship of violent weather to greenhouse effect
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:11:00 GMT
Reply-To: rtp1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations


Richard Ottolini writes (in reference to hurricanes)
>Could be possible.  During the Mesozoic greenhouse regime, it was the colder
>regions of the earth that became much warmer and the warmer regions a little
>warmer.  No polar arctic zones then.  With reduced latitudnal temperature
>gradients, there could be reduced big storm instensities.

You are confusing baroclinic instability with tropical storms.  The
former rely on meridional temperature gradients, and were 
presumably weaker during the Mesozoic (but one must pay
careful attention to static stability here as well).  Tropical
storms are energized by latent heat release, and presumably could
occur perfectly well up to higher latitudes in the Mesozoic
greenhouse world.

A complication is that hurricanes seem to need a finite amplitude
push to get going.  I'm no expert in this, but I seem to
recall that tropical easterly waves often play a role in
providing the push.  These come from instabilities of
the wind fields, which would certainly change a lot
in the mesozoic greenhouse world.
.
From: joltes@husc10.harvard.edu (Richard Joltes)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: semiconductor devices query
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:58:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I'm looking for information on companies that may manufacture the raw devices
for measuring temperature, barometric pressure, wind speed/direction, and other
weather-related variables.  I'm not sure what hardware is currently in use by
the NWS or the various companies that manufacture home weather stations, but
we're interested in building a small station and need some help.

I need sources of supply, phone numbers, and any other pertinent data.  I'm
not interested in finished devices, just the semiconductors or "sensors" that
are the building blocks for such systems.

Please respond via e-mail, and I'll summarize if there's interest.  I usually
don't read this group.

Many thanks,

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dick Joltes						joltes@husc.harvard.edu
Hardware & Networking Manager, Computer Services 	joltes@husc.bitnet 
Harvard University Science Center
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From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: Relationship of violent weather to greenhouse effect
Followup-To: talk.environment
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:04:33 GMT

ds> Dennis Schultz

ds> Isn't an increase in violent weather, especially hurricanes, and the
    like, one of the predictions of the greenhouse effect?  

  Hard to say. In any case, 1992 has been a slow year for Atlantic hur-
  ricanes, Andrew notwithstanding. El Nino has much more of an effect on
  number and intensity of hurricanes, as well as the drought in the Sa-
  hel region of Africa, than global warming, at least until this point.

ds> Why hasn't a single person drawn this conclusion this year?

  Perhaps because they know better? 

ds> Are people afraid to speak out because bush's CIA will stifle any attempt
    to draw attention to the devastation brought upon the world by bush's 
    environmental policies?

  Puhleeze.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Re: Relationship of violent weather to greenhouse effect
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:54:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: unocal.1992Oct2.195435.4535
Organization: Unocal Corporation

In article <1992Oct2.182836.20281@cid.aes.doe.CA> acaines@cid.aes.doe.CA (Neil Sargent) writes:
>Forgive me if someone else has mentioned this (I haven't been following this
>thread consistently), but S. Idso et al. have published a paper 'Carbon Dioxide
>and Hurricanes: Implications of Northern Hemispheric Warming for 
>Atlantic/Caribbean Storms' (Meteorol. Atmos. Phys. 42, 259-263(1990)).
>
>They conclude 'For global warming on the order of one-half to one degree
>Centigrade, then, our analyses suggest that there would be no change in the
>frequency of occurrence of Atlantic/Caribbean hurricanes but that there would
>be a significant decrease in the intensities of such storms.'

Could be possible.  During the Mesozoic greenhouse regime, it was the colder
regions of the earth that became much warmer and the warmer regions a little
warmer.  No polar arctic zones then.  With reduced latitudnal temperature
gradients, there could be reduced big storm instensities.
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: B_MATOS@unhh.unh.edu (Bolivar   Matos)
Subject: ENSO DATA
Organization: University of New Hampshire
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:23:15 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.12

	Hi everyone,
	Does anybody have ENSO monthly data for this century?
	Can you send them to me?
	Thank you,
		Bolivar Matos
		B_Matos@unhh.unh.edu
Earth Sciences Department
James Hall
University of New Hampshire
Durham, N.H. 03824
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From: roy@penguin.ocgy.ubc.ca (Roy Hourston)
Subject: Re: Relationship of violent weather to greenhouse effect
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 00:48:49 GMT

In article <6423@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil>, rovero@oc.nps.navy.mil (Josh Rovero) writes:
> Maybe noone has come to the conclusion you desire because the tropical
> cyclone frequency for both the Atlantic and Pacific is much LOWER than
> normal.

But perhaps that is a sign of the anthropogenically induced 'greenhouse effect'.
The AGCMs (atmospheric general circulation models) indicate greatest warming
will occur in the polar regions, reducing the poleward temperature gradient,
and thus reducing cyclone frequency (and/or magnitude?). Disregarding the motives
of the original poster of this thread, the relation between 'greenhouse warming'
and cyclone frequency is well worth establishing.

--
Roy Hourston (roy@ocgy.ubc.ca)
Oceanography Dept., University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada
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From: pmh2962@tamsun.tamu.edu (Patrick Michael Hayes)
Subject: Re: Relationship of violent weather to greenhouse effect
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 01:32:46 GMT

Howdy!
	Before we get too far into this, I seem to recall reading something
about this (or last?) year being COOLER than "normal."  Pinatubo, I guess.
So now ... is this a reason for the WEAKER than expected tropical storm
frequency?

	Maybe, but I don't think so.  I'll defer to the folks at CSU
(Pat, you there?)
	
	The answer in the back of the book says:  It's a matter of scale.
Storms and storms-per-season are way "quicker" than any climate change
or greenhouse effect.  As for any trends -- a quick perusal of the last
two decades shows exactly what the previous responder suggested:  the
increase/decrease of tropical storms and/or shifting of midlatitude
jet stream/storm tracks can be linked to the El Nino-Southern
Oscillation cycle.

	The thread could continue ... well, does El Nino come more
frequently (> 48 mo cycle) or with stronger intensity/duration if
expected global warming occurs?  Hmmmmm ..... ?
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From: lehn@jupiter.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Karsten Lehn)
Newsgroups: sci.comp-aided,sci.environment,talk.environment
Subject: contaminated soils, expert system, fuzzy
Date: 30 Sep 1992 14:26:49 GMT
Organization: CS Department, Dortmund University, Germany
Distribution: world
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Keywords: contaminated soil, hazardous waste, expert system, fuzzy

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Keywords:    contaminated soil, hazardous waste, expert system, fuzzy
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We, the
  - Lehrstuhl Informatik 1             Chair of Computer Science 1
    Universitaet Dortmund              University of Dortmund
                                       Germany
and the
  - Institut fuer Umweltschutz (INFU)  Institute of environmental protection
    Universitaet Dortmund              University of Dortmund
                                       Germany
will build an
  - expert system with
  - fuzzy methods for handling
  - contaminated soils.

Within the framework of my "Diplomarbeit"*) it is my task to take the
first steps in this area and to investigate the possibility of building
such a system under our constraints.
     *) "Diplomarbeit" is the german term for the last written document
         you have to prepare before you graduate.
Because of this reason I am interested in everything which has been
done in this area until now.

I ask for information about:

  1. Expert systems for handling contaminated soils
     - complete systems (from registration to redevelopment) or
     - parts of such systems

  2. Expert systems where fuzzy methods are used
     - not only for handling contaminated soils

  3. Date base systems which are used for handling contaminated soils

  4. Experiences gained while using these systems


I am particularly interested in literature and the current state of the
art of these systems.
I am also interested in adresses (for example: of offices or institutions)
where to get the above mentioned information.

I am grateful for each answer to this posting!

Karsten Lehn

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From: ifkm@hippo.ru.ac.za (Andrew Murdoch)
Subject: Journal request
Summary: Want Computers and Geosciences journal
Keywords: Journal, computers in Geoscience
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:28:35 GMT

I am looking for the author's note for the journal 'Computers and
Geosciences'.  I need to obtain all the information needed to submit a
paper.  If anyone can help, even scan the page that I need, please let
me know.  Any standard PC graphics format will do.
Please do not reply on this group, I will not see the reply.  I may be
E-mailed at the address below, or please use conventional mail.
NOTE: RSA == Republic of South Africa
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 /_\ |  | \___@ |  Rhodes University, P.O. Box 94, Grahamstown, 6140, R.S.A.
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From: ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate)
Newsgroups: sci.econ
Subject: Re: Currency systems
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:57:04 GMT
Organization: CDAC, WA

In article <lcc37qINN3d@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> tmhoff@oogoody.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 21728@samba.oit.unc.edu, Robert.Vienneau@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Robert Vienneau) >On the other hand, the American economist Irving Fischer proposed tying
>>the monetary unit to a basket of commodities. I know nothing about the
>>practical details of his scheme.
>I've never read this before. It's kind of an intriguing idea. Do you have
>more details? Why did you not like it as an idea?

  Would the basket of commodities include, say "A Big Mac"? :-)

  -S
  ssave@ole.cdac.com
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From: garry@monarch.eng.ufl.edu (Garry Peterson)
Subject: Re: Problems with Neo-Classical Economics
Reply-To: garry@monarch.zoo.ufl.edu (Garry Peterson)
Organization: ARTHUR R MARSHALL LAB      
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 14:34:50 GMT

the problems with neo-classical economics (revisited)

re:  Does conventional economics describe reality better than any 
other model.

I don't think that it does anymore.  People have begun to make 
progress in fields like 'adaptive' (for want of a better term), 
environmental and ecological economics.


re: successes of 'conventional' economics

I suspect that conventional economics works OK in some domains 
(those where the assumptions about rationality, information, and 
externalities are fairly valid), and that it will be wildly wrong in 
situations where those assumptions apply loosely if at all.

Therefore, I would expect free trade to be the win-win situation of 
conventional economics in some cases, but I wouldn't expect this to 
be always (or even frequently) true, as neo-classical economics does.


T. Scott Thompson writes
>5.  Likewise, neoclassical trade theory has considered the role of
>externalities in international trade theory for at least 40 years.
Well, considered does not equate to dealt with in a reasonable 
fashion.

>routinely teach this topic to undergraduates.)  There has been
>extensive analysis of the fact that externalities can make free trade
>In order to get this conclusion, however, you must appeal
>to trade restrictions as "second best" policies under the assumption
>that first best policies are not available.  I have yet to see an
>example where trade restrictions are the first best policy response 
to
>an externality.  In other words, free trade is usually a scapegoat for
>other kinds of problems in the economy.

(Assuming that we are using the same terminology)
The problem is that for first best policies (national environmental 
legislation) to work, requires restrictions on trade.  An example of 
such an agreement is the Montreal protocol on CFC's, which prevents 
trade in CFC's between participants and non-participants in order to 
prevent undermining the treaty.  Without such 'second best' 
agreements the 'first best' policies would not work (or become 
prohibitively expensive).


>The assumptions made by Newtonian physics are also "wrong".
>Nevertheless, I have never observed an obvious violation of them in 
my
>daily life, and find it useful to plan my life as if they were true.
However, to argue metaphor for metaphor, it is the outmoded 
Newtonian world-view of a clock-work universe which neo-classical 
economics follows, and this is what I claim is invalid.  Stanford 
economist, Brian Arthur talks about economics 'recovering from 
Newton'.  Historical constraints shape markets, system dynamics are 
not necessarily homeostatic, and the time evolution of a system need 
not approach any equilibrium point.  Therefore, to understand a 
system one must study its historical evolution, and dynamics - not 
look for never reached equilibria.

I hope this clarifies my point of view.


Garry Peterson
Arthur R. Marshall Lab, Univ. of Florida
From: GCTHORNE@idbsu.idbsu.edu (Broward Horne)
Subject:      GDP versus Deficit Growth
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From: bucknerb@bnr.ca (Brent Buckner)
Newsgroups: sci.econ
Subject: Re: You can't be serious
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:45:48 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ontario, Canada


>The debt is and has been growing more quickly than the economy.
>The longer that this trend continues, the harder it is to reverse.

>Playing with the numbers can make you really uptight.
>With either a Bush or Clinton White House, I suspect that
>you'll see a debt-to-GDP ratio of near 0.85 at fiscal year-end
>1996 (four more years of 10% rate of growth of the debt and

       I find this optimistic.

>5% rate of growth of the GDP).

       I find this highly optimistic
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From: met@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu
Subject: WANTED: production & price data for some metals
Reply-To: met@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu
Organization: Computer Center, CUNY Graduate School, New York NY 10036
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:31:56 GMT

Hello everyone!

For a research project i am involved in, i am in need of production
and price data for some precious metals, i.e. gold and silver, and
for some "industrials", i.e. copper and aluminum.

If you happen to know how (and where) i can get these data could
you PLEASE drop me couple of lines?...

Thank you all in advance!...

N.B.
E-mail replies to met@cunyvms.bitnet are preferred.
Newsgroups: sci.econ,talk.politics.theory
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Economic Discrimination was Outgrowing Libertarianism...
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:06:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <Bv6KvK.6B@quake.sylmar.ca.us> brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:

>>Your behavior today is conditioned by many years of struggle, 
>
>That sounds like so much marxist/Skinnerian abti-free will claptrap.  I have the
>beliefs I do because I can think and I have looked at the facts and I have
>drawn certain conclusions.


 Ahh, the self-made-mam!   Mr. Yoder seems to think that if he were born
 with different genes, in a different time, in a different culture, that
 he would have reached the same conclusions about the world, or at least
 reached them in the same way.   Perhas he would care to provide some 
 evidence for this.


>So, it is not a process of reason which changes people's minds on issues like
>this, it is subtle conditioning.  Nonsense.  What do you attribute this 
>"conditioning" to?  Rational choices?  Historical necessity?  Arbitrary chance?
>The manipulations of the ignorant masses by an enlightened elite?

  At least.   Humans are complex, who knows how they turn out the way
  they do?   But there has been some interesting research which I posted
  here a while back, suggesting that humans' brains are optimized for  
  solving problems in terms of social hierachies, rather than the
  rationality that some people like to think.  


---peter









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