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From: michaelb@cse.fau.edu (Michael Rogero Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: James Doohan to appear on TNG!  ** SPOILERS **
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:44:08 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA

In article <1992Aug29.021908.15196@intacc.uucp> zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) writes:
>In article <8310@orbit.cts.com> chris@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Chris Jacobson) writes:
>>Taken from CNN 'Showbiz Today' on Thursday, August 25th 1992.
>>
>>James Doohan will appear as "Scotty" in a sixth season episode of TNG called
>>'Relics.'  In this episode Scotty takes a 75 year 'jump' into the future,
>>from the original Enterprise bridge to the Enterprise-D.  Actually, it's not
>>the "original" bridge, but a re-creation; the original bridge is in the
>>Smithsonian.
>>
>How can it be the original bridge anyway???  Scotty clearly never disapeared
>while on the original Enterprise, not to mention the fact that he physically
>looks older and fatter than he did by a long shot.  I would make sense to
>have him disappear from the 1701-A, sometime after the events in STVI:TUC.
>
>That bridge is still completely available probably still quite shiny and
>without cobwebs.
>
If you had bother to pay attention, you would have noticed that Scotty was
wearing his uniform from the movies.  What he was doing on the 'original'
bridge was drinking a toast to old friends.  It seems obvious to me that this
'original' bridge was actually a holo-deck reproduction.
This would mean that Scotty didn't 'timejump' from the original Enterprise to
the Enterprise-D (else he would have had to come back), but that Scotty did
this some time after the events of the movies.


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From: Rannou@info.polymtl.ca (Patrick Rannou)
Subject: Re: Dolphins!
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal, Canada
	<64363@cup.portal.com><57430@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
	<RANNOU.92Aug22115219@zuse.info.polymtl.ca>
	<1992Aug27.121133.9011@bsu-ucs.uucp>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 10:31:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.121133.9011@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:


   In article <RANNOU.92Aug22115219@zuse.info.polymtl.ca>, Rannou@info.polymtl.ca (Patrick Rannou) writes:
   > In article <57430@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip Russell) writes:

   >    Buy a really cool condo-aquarium and be the envy of all his friends.
   > 
   > To swim where no one has swimmed before? 

   Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a grammarian!

   It's ``swum'' not ``swimmed.''  Sheesh-don't they teach English anymore?
   8^)


Huh, OK, bad error. BUT english is only my second language. Please don't
assume that because Canada is on the same continent that the USA, everybody
in it speak english. I'm from Montreal, and that's in Quebec. Most people
there can't even understrand english (well, there are those who can't
understand french either, so that makes it even).

;-)
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From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Geordi Dies/Scotty Lives/Triva Contest
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:06:44 GMT
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center

lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder) writes:

>In article <1992Aug25.150132.20391@tin.monsanto.com>, lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder) writes:
>> 
>> > >Guy Williams, June Lockhart, Bill Mummy and Angla Cartwright.
>> > >
>> > >Name that series. :-)
>> > 
>> > Lost in Space>
>> > >For a top prize (a Plutotonium plated Ultra Man)
>> > >can you name the other two actors of that series?
>> > 
>> Johnathon Harris and
>> 
>> TA-DA
>> 
>> Billy Mumy, aka Will Robinson

>OOOOOOOPS, you said that, didn't you? You must be talking about Penny, or
>the guy that played Penny's boyfriend, oh heck, I don't know!! Sorry!

Let's see, I think it was Mark Goddard as Major West and Kirsten something
as the other daughter... Marla Kirsten maybe...
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From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Relics" (Scotty episode) *Spoilers*
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:46:37 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Aug25.220813.20349@eng.umd.edu> wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez) writes:
>Couple of Spoilers concerning "Relics" that I caught on CNN
>

>
>
>Doohan also said that the story does involve him and Geordi working together 
>to save the new Enterprise.  Surprise, eh?  Looks interesting, to be sure.

Actually he doesn't mention Geordi by name, he just says `their
engineer'.  Perhaps Geordi does buy it (the farm that is).

Anyway as Scotty was strolling around the TOS bridge, he looked really
depressed, almost on the verge of tears.  Doohan hasn't been featured
this prominently since, perhaps, `Who Mourns for Adonis' or that fine
Irish episode the bonny `Lights O'Zetar'.


-- 
Tom Kuchar			  
kuchar@buast7.bu.edu		  -or-                      kuchar@plh.af.mil
Department of Astronomy		                     Phillips Laboratory/GPOB
Boston Univerity		                                  Hanscom AFB
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From: mwalls@nmsu.edu (Commander Keen)
Subject: Re: DSN on CNN Showbiz Today 
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<1992Sep3.054332.21580@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:14:35 GMT

	I was equally disappointed with Avery Brooks' appearance.  To me, he
seemed to be much more (dare I say intimidating) easy to take
seriously when he had no hair.  For some reason, with hair, his role
as a commander (or whatever leadership position he has on the show)
will be less effective, IMO.

						Craig
						mwalls@NMSU.Edu
From: mlevis@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Mike Levis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Season Spoiler: Q reverses time!!!
Summary: :) :) :)
Date: 1 Sep 92 06:54:36 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

The ST:TNG writers are getting burned out.  Therefore, they will
write an episode where Q reverses the direction of time.  For the
next 5 years, all old ST:TNG episode will be aired backwards, and
in reverse chronological order, starting with Time's Arrow I, and
ending with Encounter at Farpoint.  At this point, Q corrects the
direction of time, and the sequence of shows will air forward, in
chronological order again, until Q reverses time again.

.eurt ton ,yllis si tsop sihT
(: !etal si tsop siht yrroS

-- 
====== Mike Levis   mlevis@ringer.cs.utsa.edu ======
"I believed what I was told, I thought it was a good   .--.
life, I thought I was happy.  Then I found something  (OS/2)
that changed it all..."  --  Anonymous, 2112  [Rush]   ~--~
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From: SJOSEPHS@130.187.170.178 (STEVEN JOSEPHSON)
Subject: Re: ST: TNG actors on other series
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:08:16 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

In <1992Aug31.162557.938@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> gbrach@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:

> In article <1992Aug31.175949.12963@tin.monsanto.com>, lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder) writes:
> > In article <1992Aug31.095929.931@galaxy.gov.bc.ca>, gbrach@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
> >> 
> >> In article <4ec6Ok200UjU81UUVk@andrew.cmu.edu>, jp45+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jim Thomas Park , Jr.) writes:
> >> > In article <1684A128D9.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>,
> >> > YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
> >> >> 
> >> >>     Here is one I've forgotten.  Gates McFadden has a very small role
> >> >> in Muppets Take Manhatten as a secretary for a Broadway agent near the
> >> >> beginning of the movie.
> >> > 
> >> > Here's another on for Gates. She was in The Hunt for Red October. She
> >> > was Alec Baldwin's character's wife I believe.
> >> > 
> >> 
> >> Problem with this citation:  Gates was left on the cutting room floor of that
> >> movie...
> > 
> > If Gates was left on the cutting room floor of Hunt For Red October, how come
> > I SAW her in that movie???????
> 
> Maybe I saw a different cut???  I distinctly remember being disappointed that
> Mrs. Ryan didn't have a role in the movie - I liked her character in the book!
> 
> And the part about her scenes being cut has been revealed on the net before

No, she was in there all right - for about 3 seconds.  She and Alec were
leaving the house and she was giving last minute instructions to the servants.
Mrs. Jack Ryan has a bigger part in the book, and no doubt some other scenes
with Gates were filmed but cut.
From: asweeney@camelot.sw.stratus.com (Andy Sweeney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: If the Borg were....
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:50:04 GMT


..at the neutral zone "ref-The Neutral Zone (season 1) and Q Who (Season 3?)"
what are some explanations for them taking so long to wipe out the FED,
the romulans, and other races in that area. It seems that they were in
a highly populated center of the Galaxy but were never seen.

Even the Crystalline thingy didn't just hope aaround unnoticed.

Does anyone have some valid reasons for this?

AS
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Subject: Re: ST II: Wrath of Khan --> New Footage
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 17:11:45 PDT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

kennedy_j@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:

> In article <1992Aug25.102208.14157@peponi.wcc.govt.nz>, kennedy_j@kosmos.wcc.
> >In article <bbmyccn>midshipmen proudly exclaims how the Enterprise is the mo
> >>goes on to state how many times he was the laughing stock for having such
> >>a misfit and falling apart ship, and how he'd always been on scooty's back
> >>to make it wor
> [stuff deleted]
> 
> Sorry about the mess of my last post - I think I just discovered the dangers 
> Windows 3.1 and Comms programs :-)
> 
> Anyway What I WAS trying to say last post:
> The extended version of STII:TWOK has been out since STVI:TUC...

Actually the extended version is even older then that.  It was shown on
network tv sometime around 85 or 86.  <please correct me if I remember the
year wrong>  Anyway, my friend has had his copy that he taped off of network
TV for several years.

> 
> I brought a copy from a local book store soon after they came out...
> I also got an Extended Video Version of STI:TMP
> 
> They were put out by CIC Video.
> 
> >>


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Catherine Beckstead                    ace@kryton.uucp
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NINE on the Richter scale?"        --Ace, in "Dragonfire"
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: Cinefantastique October 92: Are you kidding?!
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:27:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.043544.26878@reed.edu> odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin) writes:

>  I too read the Cinefantastique articles.  (No, I didn't buy it.  I am a
>  poor college student...)  I couldn't believe most of it, to be honest.  Or
>  rather, I wish I didn't have to believe it.  The articles gushed over how
>  wonderful "The Outcast" and "Cost of Living" were, for God's sake...

I skimmed the issue in the store, and purposely looked for the rating
for CoL just to see if the reviewing author had any sense at all.  I was
as surprised as you to find the somewhat glowing review given to the
episode.  It was at that point that I discounted most of his judgement.
I just don't understand it.  I think they saw a different episode than I
did.



>  What really hurt, though, was the fact that what I (and lots of you, too)
>  see as the worst parts of TNG (ie: the "music" and the Danger-of-the-Week
>  subplots) are *mandated* from on high.  Mediocre to awful BGM and incom-
>  prehensible, useless Ship Destruction plots are REQUIRED by the Powers That
>  Be.

I'd like to see someone post that particular section, or at least
summarize it if were worried about copyright infringement here.  "Dull
music is mandated"?  Harumph.  During the glance I took at the issue, it
looked as if it said something to the effect that one of the early
composers had been fired for his style that made the music of TNG so
unmemorable.  I like how you put music in quotes.  Very accurate.

>  I could excuse mediocrity (to some degree), but I cannot find anything even
>  remotely defensible in INTENTIONAL mediocrity.


I don't think they see it as intentional mediocrity.  They just don't
seem to see it as mediocre at all

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From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: DS9: Avery Brooks as Sisko: important hidden meanings!
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:02:16 GMT

>mcohen@vax.clarku.edu writes:

>>According to a note on Prodigy, Jonathan Frakes spoke at a con in Cincinatti 
>>this past weekend.  The person writing the note said Jonathan knew of three 
>>castmembers of Deep Space Nine:
>
>> Avery Brooks as Cisco (Brooks was Hawk on Spenser: For Hire)

	That would be interesting - but THINK what this would mean!

	2 bald commanders out of 3!  And the 3rd really
is bald except for that oh-so-wonderfully concealing toupee!

	NOW WE HAVE THE SECRET!

	All StarFleet captains are bald - that's how they can
recognize each other...!

	*AND* - that's the REAL reason why Riker won't accept a
captaincy!  He refuses to have his head shaved...!

	Of course this means if you are Deltan (or at least a Deltan
female) you're automatically on the command track...

	Well, I'm glad that's cleared up.

BBC
From: cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Collective nouns (was: Vulcans on ST:TNG)
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:44:43 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

>>What are the collective nouns for the other ST life forms?
>>
>>       A flock of Andorians.
>>       A siege of Borg.
>>       A pride of Bejorans.
>>       A bevy of Betazoids.

Heard that in Esperanto all collective nouns are generated by placing the
infix "ar" between the root and the ending "o". So,

Andoriano --> Andorianaro
Borgo     --> Borgaro
Bejorano  --> Bejoranaro
Betazoido --> Betazoidaro

(All accents on the second syllable from the end --I think.)
--
Constantinos A. Caroutas

"It's easy to make mistakes when others will be held responsible."
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From: jverho80@ursa.calvin.edu (Jeff Verhoef)
Subject: Re: The Enterprise Stinks!
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 23:15:02 GMT

rtiger@vax1.umkc.edu writes:


>All-

>I must say once and for all that I think that the Starship Enterprise is the
>most ridiculous looking starship ever dreamed up by people in Hollywood/dead
>authors/etc.

>I mean, let's be realistic.  First off, it has a frisbee shaped top. 
>Considering there isn't much friction in space, why not go with a big cylinder,
>and get more square feet for your money?  Then, we have to toothpick shaped
>things which I assume house the "engines" (boy, when was the last time the
>Enterprise stopped for gas) and the "torpedoes" (which make that cool blastoff
>sound even in the midst of a vacuum).

>Let's be real.  They should all be in something much more practical and
>economical.  This current design sucks.

>Roy Tiger.


I suggest you bring your comments to startrek.tech, and maybe someone could
suggest why the designs theoretically work...but I think it has to do with
the configuration of the warp fields produced by the engines and how the ship
fits into those warp fields in order to achieve warp speed.

As for engine and torpedo sounds, aside from the dramatic purposes (after all,
it is entertainment), one could assume that the noises can be heard from
*inside* the ship...in other words, the whoosh sound can be heard in the 
torpedo bay as the torpedo is fired.  

I guess it could be said that as observers, we get more excitement out of 
seeing the ship fire the torpedo and hearing the sounds it produces.

If you want a real shock, find the book "The Making of Star Trek" by 
Steven Whitfield (I hope that name is right).  They have sketches of early
ship designs, and if I remember right, they did toy with a cylinder shape.
--
   ///\\\      Jeff Verhoef             "Sometimes I wish I could go where no
  ///  \\\     Calvin College            man has gone before....but I'll
 ///    \\\ Grand Rapids, MI 49546       probably stay in Aurora."  --Garth
From: dsturm@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DS9 Cast/Little Mermaid Confusion
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:41:37 GMT

The confusion is understandable.... :-)

The idea that Avery Brooks [Cmdr Cisco/Hawk] was Sebastian is of course
wrong...

*However*, Rene' Auberjonois [Odo, the 'Shifter] most certainly *did*
do a voice for Little Mermaid...  He was that mad french chef Louie[?].
Remember?  "Les poissons, les poissons....  how I love to cut and serve
little fish...   Maurice Chevalieeeeeeeeeeeeer...."

Maybe that's the source of the confusion...

Dave.
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Subject: Re: Was TOS really that bad? (Re: TOS actors)
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 21:16:29 GMT

In <1992Aug27.045603.24039@cs.tu-berlin.de> hal@cs.tu-berlin.de (Eberhart Adam) writes:
>I absolutely disagree with your degradation of TOS. (btw my wife too)
>Even *much* better actors as the present ones could not overact the
>shapelessness and paleness of the figures in TNG. OK, the special
>effects are much better...

>In TOS there have been characters as you and me - they have been
>identificable  -  but a moaning supersensual counsellor is not my first
>choice for good sci-fi.

I agree.  And, actually, even TNG's SFX aren't always that good.  (The
starships, for instance, look flagrantly unrealistic; they LOOK like special
effects.  The Trek Classic Enterprise really looked *real* I thought.)

I think Picard, Data and Worf are all okay characters, but they're definitely
second-string compared to the "big four" (Kirk, Spock, McCoy and Scotty;
even the last two had much more verisimilitude than TNG provides its
characters) of Trek Classic.  (And then there's the matter of the Klingons
not bearing any physical or social resemblance to their Trek Classic cousins.
At least the film series Klingons ACTED like Klingons.)

-- 
Michael Rawdon	    rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu  [Note new address!]
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"It is a fool's prerogative to utter truths that no one else will speak."
				- Dream, "A Midsummer Night's Dream"
From: jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Borg are here!!!
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:45:56 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Sep4.152433.20098@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> stanaway@ssd.comm.mot.com (Chris Stanaway) writes:

>Flipping through a store catalog the other day, something caught
>my eye.  Looking closer it was one of those scales (the kind you
>have in bathrooms to weigh yourself).  What shocked me was the
>name of the manufacturer:   BORG

I know those spy-devices-disguised-as-scales have been among us for
quite some time!
My wife bought one soon after the demise of 'Locutus of Borg' was
aired.

>We're in trouble now :-)

Don't I know it!!
Imagine how much they will have infiltrated our society 400
years from now!!

>Chris
			James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
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From: lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder)
Subject: Re: Season 6 opener: The Enterprise vs Q for the sanity of Rebecca DeMorney
Organization: DSC
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:09:05 GMT

In article <67494@hydra.gatech.EDU>, cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd) writes:
> 
> In article <BtyEGp.JM2@acsu.buffalo.edu> v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.) writes:
> >The crew are flung to the late 20th century and battle Q to save the mind
> >and life of Rebecca DeMorney's character in The Hand That Rocks the Cradle.
> >Q's plan was to wipe out Picard before he ever existed, and that his
> >ancestory has a key point with her. 
> 
> How can this be?  How can the Enterprise crew not only travel into the past,
> but into a *fictional* past?  Furthermore, how can Picard's origin be some-
> how tied up in this fictitious past?
> 

Ah, don't you see? By going into the *fictional* past instead of the *actual*
past the crew doesn't have to worry about messing up the future, since the
future for the *fictional* past is the *fictional* future. And since that
future doesn't exist, you can mess with it all you want and it's still OK.

And, just to be creative, they also meet *actual* people in the *fictional*
past, like Mark Twain, and as long as they don't affect the *actual* future,
they can use *actual* people all they want to change the *fictional* future.
And, I guess, they can use *fictional* people to affect the *actual* future,
so long as it's what it is, since they can't mess with that.

Is that clear? ;^)

> Tim  :-)
> -- 
> "Truth is under all circumstances more valuable than nontruth, and this
> must apply to truth in the realm of history as to other kinds of truth."
>   -- Albert Schweitzer, _Out of My Life and Thought_
> Tim Dodd, Research Scientist, Georgia Tech  cegtitd@prism.gatech.edu
> 
> 
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From: holland@geop.ubc.ca (Stephen Holland)
Subject: Re: The Enterprise Stinks!
Reply-To: holland@geop.ubc.ca
Organization: Geophysics & Astronomy, U.B.C. Vancouver, Canada
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:17:41 GMT

In article 715562313@unidata.ucar.edu, matt@unidata.ucar.edu (Matt Hicks) writes:
>>Probalbly in a love den somewhere...and freeing their minds with "LDS" :-)
>>It was conceived in the 60's after all! 
>
>I know, I know, you're never supposed to post just to correct someone's
>spelling, but "LDS"?! You spell it when you say it, and if you can't
>do one, you can't do the other. To quote Julie Brown: "I can't spell VW,
>but I drive a Porsche."
>
>Sorry.

"LDS" is correct in this context.  Remember, this is the Star Trek universe and in
Star Trek IV Kirk did refer to Spock as having taken "too much 'LDS' in the
60's".

Just another piece of annoying trivial.

s holland
"Do not attempt to think or depression may occur."

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