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From: pearl@sw.stratus.com (Dan Pearl)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Disneyworld
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:53:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Aug21.181812.24237@calvin.edu>, clak@calvin.edu (Kelly James Clark) writes:
> I will be traveling to Disneyworld for three days with my wife and a two 
> and three year old.  What would be good for such small children?
> Anything to avoid?  
> 
> thanks,
> Kelly James Clark

I don't have kids, so take what I say with a grain of salt.  There is little
at WDW that is suitable for such small kids.  The Unofficial Guide to 
Disneyworld says that kids don't start appreciating WDW until they are
somewhat older.

You may find that you'll have on your hands a couple of over-stimulated
and cranky kids.

Get the Unofficial Guide, and check it out.

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From: sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones)
Subject: Re: Mid-town Manhattan to LGA
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 11:48:03 GMT

In <l8hgk6INN67e@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> dmk@noho.Eng.Sun.COM (David Kahn) writes:

>>>  I'd like some recommendations on good ways to get from mid-town
>>> Manhattan to LaGuardia Airport...
>>
>>Not quite midtown, but you can get the Carey bus from in front of Grand 
>>Central (42nd & 5th) directly to LaGuardia for about $8.00, I think. Could 
>>be $11, I'm not sure. Sunday should be pretty good, as the midtown traffic 
>>is considerably lighter than weekdays.
>>

If 42nd isn't mid-town, what is?

I took the Gray Line shared-ride in from LaGuardia last week.  You
share with some 8 or 9 others and get taken directly to your hotel or
other destination (I'm not sure about private residences or
apartments).  You can arrange for them to pick you up as well by
calling them in Manhattan.  The fare was $12.00 (I'm sure the Carey
fare must be less).

The comparison:  Into Manhattan: with Carey you visit all the
LaGuardia terminals (as noted) and get to figure out how to schlep the
luggage from 42nd and Park.  With Gray Line you get to visit all the
hotels the others sharing the ride are staying at (I hit the jack-pot
- we stopped at mine first).

                 From Manhattan: with Carey, you've got to get to 42nd
and Park and you may visit a number of LaGuardia terminals.  With Gray
Line you have to make the arrangements sufficiently in advance and may
have to ride around in mid Manhattan traffic for a while picking up
the other riders.  Gray Line costs $4-5 more.

Stan Jones (sjones@carleton.ca)          ()
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From: rp1m+@andrew.cmu.edu (Richard Pisani)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Out West Recommnedations
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:42:26 GMT
Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Thanks to all of you who sent me recommendations for my trip out west.
It was a great success.
From: rmrohre@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Randy M. Rohrer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Antarctica
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:52:38 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1992Aug20.125729.6990@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> nev@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (nancy.e.ellard-vass) writes:
>In article <9208182133.AA16455@cobber.cord.edu>, olsen@COBBER.CORD.EDU (Scott Olsen) writes:
>> 
>> Does anyone know who to contact about getting to Antarctica?  I'm not so
>> much interested in the American Museam of Natural History style cruise as I
>> am interested in just getting there, perhaps staying at a science station
>> if such a thing is possible.
>
>Scott:
>The only way I think you can get to Antartica (as a tourist) is
>by boat. I know Society Expeditions offers a cruise to Antartica.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Nancy

        Mountain Travel-Sobek, an adventure travel
company in San. Fran, is sponsoring an upcoming trip
to Antartica. I received a flyer from them recently
but didn't pay too much attention. It involved travel
by ship from Argentina with lots of stops along Antartica
for exploring. Beware that travel to Antartica is very expensive.
I seem to remember that this trip was >$5000.00 and did not
include air fare to Argentina. Here is there phone number
in case you want to get more details: 800-227-2384

        I am about to go on one of their trips in Oct.
I'll be trekking in Nepal (Everest region) for 30 days.
I have never used them before but so far they seem very good.
I have a friend who has gone on several Mtn. Travel-Sobek
trips and had very good experiences. They will be glad to send you
a nice glossy catalog of their trips. There are, of course,
other adventure travel companies who offer similar trips.
They may even be better; I just ended up with this company because
several people recomended them.

Good luck.
I would like to get to Antartica some day myself!!

Randy Rohrer
rmrohre@afterlife.ncsc.mil
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From: vonnidrl@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Richard Louis Von Nida)
Subject: for sakle
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 20:21:37 GMT

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From: garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman)
Subject: Re: Know Toronto Tourist Spots
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 04:41:50 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: rec.travel

Try the Toronto Science Centre...One of the best museums around...Then
take a side trip to Castle Loma, a original castle with secret
passages...In Toronto or nearby...Not much else I can think of, but Niagra
Falls has so MANY things to see it is pathetic...Prices there will break
ya...I paid $20 almost for two chesseburgers and fries and cokes at the
Burger King at the falls...For a better deal, try the Ponderosa or
whatever its called near the falls on a side street...More expensive than
ones in US, but better than Burger King...Might be Bonanza...Cheerio!

	Gary

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From: campo@calspan.com (Jim Campobello)
Subject: Anyone know Arran House Hotel, London?
Organization: Calspan Advanced Technology Center
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:41:00 GMT


   Has anyone stayed at the Arran House Hotel, 77 Gower St, London?  I have 
   a reservation there, and I'd like to hear anything you know about it. 

   Thanks a lot.
                                Jim Campobello
                                campo@calspan.com
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Wednesday, 12 Aug 1992 17:01:15 CET
From: <RFLOOD@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: HELP! PARIS INFO NEEDED!

Whilst generally I agree that Paris is safer than some European cities
(and much much safer than virtually any US city) I would urge caution on
travelling on the metro or RATP late at night. I only saw one incident
on one occasion, but most friends and colleagues there have told me that it
can be dangerous.
However having read the original posting I fail to see why the overall concern.
Do European cities receive such bad 'press' in American media ?
R A Flood
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Subject: Water Purity (was NEPAL - Malaria Tablets ?)
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 21:11:00 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <86102@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.150256.1@geovax.ed.ac.uk> msc9116@geovax.ed.ac.uk (B.J.Davies) writes:
 
>I would strongly recommend, however, drinking bottled or boiled
>water _only_ in Nepal.  And don't trust restaurants who say
>their water is boiled.  I made that mistake the first time I
>went there, promptly got amoebic dysentary (not the same as
>plain old diarrhea, it's much yuckier) and was later asked by
>the doctor who did my tests if I'd drunk "raw sewage."  When
>I went back to Nepal, I brought water treatment stuff and drank
>water that tasted like it came out of a swimming pool.  I didn't
>get dysentary, but I did get very swollen lymph glands from the
>iodine.  So I switched to bottled water, which worked fine.

Be very careful what you drink in Africa or Asia etc.  Even the sodas
will be made with local water and could be bad for you.  This caught us 
out in Africa.  Beer often seems to be safer but may have other bad things
in it.

Bottled water may not always be available and the purifying tablets taste
yuk and don't kill everything.  The best option is a decent water filter.
Katadyn make a small portable filter which will make the worst water taste 
OK and get rid of all but the tiniest viruses. 

For discussion of filters and recommendations subscribe to rec.backcountry
for a while.


-- 

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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: Martha's Vineyard??
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:17:34 GMT

ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum) writes:

>-----------

>  We'd like to go to Martha's Vineyard in late September. Do we need a car?
>If so - what's the best way to get it there - I know there are a few different
>ferries. Is it possible to get nice accomodations at moderate prices? How about
>restaurants and things to do on the island! All info is appreciated! Thanks.

You can bring a car over on a ferry, if you want.  It is fairly expensive,
and the wait is pretty long (it might be better in Spetember, though).
Or, you could just rent a car or moped.  There are also many nice bike paths
over the island...

I don't know how long you are planning to stay, but there are cottages that 
you could rent for a few days.  THis might be cheaper than staying in a
motel.  Although, the motels probably aren't THAT expensive, anyway.

Lots of nice restaurants...  Things to do?  You could visit the clay cliffs (at
Gay Head on the western part of the Island) or the nude beaches...  There is
also a neat lighthouse.  IT is also fun just to wander around the towns
and the island in general.

Hmm.. all this wants to make me go back...

keith

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From: "Gil C. Cruz" <gil@thumper.bellcore.com>
Subject: Montreal B&B
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 17:26:36 GMT

Can anyone recommend a nice place to stay at while visiting
Montreal for a long weekend, a B&B type place would be
ideal.  On the outskirts of town would be fine.  Thanks.
gil
From: Gord_Pope@mindlink.bc.ca (Gord Pope)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Use of Visa Cards in Germany and Denmark
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:01:37 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

We returned from Europ last week.  Problems I had with my VISA card (an
ordinary one, not VISA gold) was that there were very few Cash machines where
we travelled in Europe,(Germany too), and those that we found, didn't take the
VISA card.  Finding a Bank open when you want it to be for a cash advance was
also a problem.  Many close over lunch, sometimes for the afternoon.  Some are
even closed on certain weekdays.  In Italy, they were willing to give me a cash
advance but had to phone some kind of authorization number where nobody would
answer the phone.  At other times, stores and resaraunts that would take VISA
and use an electronic reader would bring my card back to me saying the reader
wouldn't accept it.  They seemed reluctant to rely on the mechanical system .
THe best card to have over there would be a Eurocard but I have no idea where
to get one.  Every cash machine I saw accepted it.  Plus most banks.

We also took a Master card with us that turned out to be "not authorized for
international use".  Certainly not what their advertising implied.

Hope that helps.
Gord.
From: 76702.1202@CompuServe.COM (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: *NEW* TRAVEL ADVISORY -- Burundi
Date: 19 Aug 1992 10:08:46 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

STATE DEPARTMENT TRAVEL ADVISORY - Burundi
============================================================
BURUNDI - CAUTION
 August 18, 1992

Summary:  The Department of State advises U.S. citizens to exercise 
caution when traveling to Burundi.  Burundi is passing through a 
period of political change, and though the situation is calm at 
present, the possibility of unexpected disruptions exists.  Borders 
with Burundi's neighbors are open, but can be closed without notice. 
 At certain border crossings prior notification to the government of 
Burundi has been necessary.  Street crime in Bujumbura, the capital, 
poses high risks for visitors, particularly during evening and 
late-night hours.  End summary.

The Department of State advises all U.S. citizens to exercise 
caution when traveling to Burundi.  Burundi is passing through a 
period of political change which includes the formation of political 
parties and the holding of free elections, expected in 1993.  
Travelers are advised to avoid political gatherings and to refrain 
from participation in public events.  Radical political activists 
have fomented violence in the recent past and the possibility of 
renewed violence always exists.

Burundi's borders with Zaire, Rwanda and Tanzania are currently 
open.  Burundi has periodically closed its borders with Rwanda and 
Zaire without notice as a result of disturbances in the northwest 
part of Burundi.  There remains the possibility for unanticipated 
closures in the future.

U.S. citizens traveling to Rwanda via the Luhwa-Ruwa crossing in 
Cibitoke province (the principal tourist route to Bukavu, Zaire for 
gorilla viewing) must notify the government of Burundi of their 
intention to cross prior to traveling, although this requirement is 
subject to change.  Public transportation through all border regions 
is infrequent, and travelers are advised to travel by air or to use 
private or rented vehicles.

Street crime in Burundi poses high risks for visitors.  Most crime 
involves muggings, purse-snatchings, pickpocketing, burglary, and 
auto break-ins.  Criminals tend to operate individually or in small 
groups.  There have been reports of muggings of persons jogging or 
walking alone in all sections of Bujumbura, and especially on public 
roads bordering Lake Tanganyike.  Visitors should exercise common 
sense in protecting wallets, jewelry and other valuables.

All U.S. citizens traveling to Burundi are urged to contact the 
U.S. Embassy in Bujumbura for further information and to register 
their presence in the country.  The Embassy is located at Avenue des 
Etats-Unis, telephone number:  22-34-54.

No. 92-158

This replaces the travel advisory dated February 14, 1992, to alert 
U.S. citizens that the possibility for disruptions exists, i.e., 
unanticipated border closings and the potential for violence.

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:52:23 -0400 
From: Steve_Lammert@transarc.com
Subject: Re: Pittsburgh PA to NYC

klundqvi@abo.fi (Kurt Lundqvist AT) writes:
> I will be driving from Pittsburgh to New York in October. What places are there
> that I should visit on the way? I do have time to drive a few hundred miles
> extra to the north or south if it will be worth the while. Where should
> I do the shopping? I heard that the sales tax is 13.25 percent in NYC, while
> it is only 9 percent in Pittsburgh. Are products cheeper in downtown NY or
> in the surroundings? 

Sales tax is 6% in Pennsylvania -- but is not applied to "basic" necessities,
particularly clothing.

Some of the best prices on clothing can be found in the factory
outlets in Lancaster and Reading PA.  Lancaster is also interesting as
the hub of "Pennsylvania Dutch" country, home to thousands of Amish
and Mennonite families who live traditional 18th-century lives (e.g.
no electricity, only horse-powered vehicles and equipment).  It's
about five hours east of Pittsburgh on the PA turnpike.

Prices on jewelry and consumer electonics are very inexpensive in NYC
The most famous stores (for a non NYer) belong to the 47th Street
Photo empire, but there are certainly native New Yorkers on the net
who can give better advice in that vein.

S
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From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
Subject: Re: ATM machines
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 08:29:17 GMT

> Unfortunately, as I recently found out, Plus, Cirrus, Interac, and
> Ideal do not extend to Australia. At least the bank people I dealt
> with in Sydney had never heard of them.

Interac is purely Canadian, and I don't know about Ideal.

Before going to Europe this past May I tried to get the current brochures
of locations of the Plus and Cirrus networks... I tramped all over downtown
around the largest banks.  I found *one* copy of the Cirrus brochure, which
they would not give out, but they consented to photocopy the pages of
greatest interest to me-- and then the one time I actually got to a Cirrus
machine (in Paris), it said "Your bank is not connected to the network"
and that was that.  I was glad I had travelers' checks too.

As for Plus, the best I could do there was to get the February 1991 brochure.
At that date, the Plus system was in the following countries:

	Australia, Canada (all 10 provinces and 2 territories), Ecuador,
	Guam, Hong Kong, Japan, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Singapore, United
	Kingdom (all 4 countries), United States (all 50 states and DC),
	Virgin Islands

To which I can add Gibraltar, by personal experience this year.
(Gibraltar has its own flavor of pounds, by the way.)

However, having a presence in the country doesn't mean they're everywhere.
As to Australia, the brochure shows no locations at all in Sydney, and
only three in Melbourne.

Also, in past years there used to be footnotes saying that in certain
countries -- I seem to remember Australia and Japan being mentioned --
only one of the two potential accounts on my card could be accessed.
Since my bank insists that the type of account I have occupy the *other*
position, this meant that those countries' machines would be useless to me.
Now, instead of this footnote, it just says "Services provided are deter-
mined by each Plus system network member", so we get to be surprised...


In summary, ATM networks are great when they work, but I wouldn't count
in them in a country where I hadn't made them work before, and maybe not
even then.

About now someone is going to say "But don't you just phone 800-THE-PLUS?"
Yes, you do -- if you are in the US and want to know about locations in
the US.  For any other country there is only the brochure.  Likewise for
Cirrus and its 800-number.
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From: tlholli@olympus.srv.PacBell.COM (Theresa Hollidge)
Subject: Re: Layover at Madrid Airport
Reply-To: tlholli@olympus.srv.PacBell.COM
Organization: Pacific Bel
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:36:47 GMT

From what I remember, there's not much at the Madrid airport. I was there last year with my dance group, 22 of us, with 76 pieces of huge luggage.  We spent about 5 hours at the airport while they tried to fit our junk in the coach.  Anyway, we found a patch of grass to stretch out on outside the airport, across the drop-off lanes and to the 
right a little.  I think just before the parking lots?  It was pretty hot but it was a place to sit.

As for Mallorca!  Wow, what I wouldn't give to be there now.  I was only in Palma de Mallorca for one afternoon and evening - our time wasn't our own, we had 2 perfomances a day.  It seemed really touristy.  We stayed in an incredibly friendly village on called Soller.  I'd go back in a second.  You can get there by a small guage train that goes through a tunnel in the mountains. There's also Port de Soller, which is just a trolley ride away and has a beach and touristy stuff.  The water isn't supposed to 



be that clean because the boats drive right up to the beach but since you'll be on a boat you can go anywhere.  We went to a few other towns which escape me now, something like Fenalitx?  It was wonderful, I'd avoid Palma and enjoy the villages.

It was scorching in July, I hope it's a little bit cooler in September.

Have a fantastic time.

Teresa

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From: rft@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (raymond.f.tamos)
Subject: Saddle Road, Hawaii, Hawaii and car rental companies
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:26:15 GMT


What is it about car rental companies and Saddle Road?  Apparently
the car rental companies don't want their rental cars on this.  Any
idea why not?  Does anyone know of a car rental company that will
let you drive on it?  Is there anything worth seeing on this road?
What are the elevations on this road?  Are there any steep drop-offs
along this road? How much traffic can be found on this road weekdays?
weekends?  I will be going in November, Thanksgiving week, if it matters.


I have read that Saddle Road is a 60-mile, fully paved road, narrow
in spots (how narrow?), and pretty much deserted (few cars; no telephones).
It eventually climbs to about 6000 feet.  Although there doesn't seem to
be too much to see along the road, there are a few parts of it that sounded
interesting to me.


Also does anyone have anything good/bad to say about the Hilo Bay Hotel
or the Kona Bay Hotel?  We're thinking of staying at these two hotels
on Hawaii.  How about the Coco Palms Hotel on Kaua'i?

Thanks and please respond directly to me or to rec.travel...

rft@cbnewsk!att.com
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From: hoyme@src.honeywell.com (Ken Hoyme)
Subject: Australia - Great Barrier Reef Question
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 07:27:57 GMT

My wife and I will be traveling to Australia in October.  We would like
to spend a few days in the Great Barrier Reef area.  I am interested in
recommendations for this area:

1) Where should we fly into?  (We will be starting in Sydney)

2) What are the 'must see'/'must do' things in this area?
   (Neither of us scuba dive).  Helicopter trips??

3) Are there particular islands we should consider as part of the visit?
   
Any other suggestions -- places to eat, places to stay -- would be
appreciated.

Many thanks in advance...

Ken

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From: nev@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (nancy.e.ellard-vass)
Subject: Re: Antarctica
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:57:29 GMT

In article <9208182133.AA16455@cobber.cord.edu>, olsen@COBBER.CORD.EDU (Scott Olsen) writes:
> 
> Does anyone know who to contact about getting to Antarctica?  I'm not so
> much interested in the American Museam of Natural History style cruise as I
> am interested in just getting there, perhaps staying at a science station
> if such a thing is possible.

Scott:
The only way I think you can get to Antartica (as a tourist) is
by boat. I know Society Expeditions offers a cruise to Antartica.

Hope this helps.

Nancy


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