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From: gih900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au (Geoff Huston)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: route: Australia to Germany
Date: 13 Oct 1992 05:15:51 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
Distribution: world
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: In article <1bd1flINNaan@manuel.anu.edu.au>, markus@arp.anu.edu.au (Dr Markus Buchhorn) writes:
: |> 
: |> I recently went jogging round the net for some sun patch files. I found
: |> an excellent site in Germany. Unfortunately it had an abysmal transfer
: |> rate (0.3kb/s!). Now, other sites in Europe aren't as bad, so I did
: |> a 'traceroute' and found to my surprise that a lot of the problem
: |> is in the U.S. - it spends a lot of its time crossing the U.S., but most
: |> of that time is spent in one building (I suppose it is one building) - note
: |> hops 8 thru 15. Now my question: Can This Be Fixed ? It could double the xfer
: |> rate (although the last hop looks quite sick as well..)

end-to-end  throughput is largely determined by the most constrained link, not
by the number of hops. The traversal across the 45Mb  network  from  the  west
coast  to the East coast takes in a large number of packet switches, but takes
very little time - so although traceroute reports a high hop count,  the  time
taken to traverse from West Coast to East Coast is somewhere around 40 - 60 ms 
for much of the time. 

So  the  US  is  not  the  problem - and if you examine the Alternet  -  EUnet
transatlantic you'll see that it uses the trans-Atlantic fibre  and  has  good
transit time and adequate capacity. 

Amsterdam  to Dortmund is via EUNET - which is 56Kbps as I recall with (by the
look of it) reasonable throughput. 

However Dortmund EUNET to Hamburg looks to go via a piece of very soggy string 
- I suspect that this link is implemented by DFN and is an instance of IP over 
narrow bandwidth X.25 - which would explain why the rtt rises by 7 seconds and 
your ftp throughput is so lousy. 

"Can  This Be Fixed ?" - in theory yes. But the solution requires both a large
amount of German Marks and a certain degree of shift in  attitude  and  access
and  interconnection policies within Germany to see a well engineered solution
be implemented. Not an easy task! 

Geoff 
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: wayne@gbrmpa.gov.au (Wayne Amisano)
Subject: International Education and Resource Network (What is it)??
Organization: Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 07:01:38 GMT

Hi,

Could anyone give me some information about the International
Education and Resource Network.  A fellow college saw an article
in the GreenSpeak column of the magazine New Idea dated 17 Oct 1992.

If anyone could provide me with information about this network or
how to contact them, I would very much appreciate it!!

tnx in advance!

cul Wayne..

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From: davidw@its.CSIRO.AU (David Woodgate)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Melb Uni - Leading Edge link down
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:44:46 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Originator: davidw@steps


The link from Leading Edge to Melbourne University is down.

Because of this Leading Edge, CSIRO Division of Atmospheric
Research and CSIRO Division of Mineral Products ( Port Melb )
will be unavailable until further notice.

						davidw
From: John.Widmer@f369.n633.z3.fidonet.org (John Widmer)
Sender: acsnet@csource.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Test mail
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 13:59:32 +1000

Juhani .. this is is to test AARNET.


I am sending this mail from City Limits Bulletin Board .. can you receive this
???
Cheers
John

 * Origin: City Limits -Education,Australia 6 lines (3:633/369)
From: arthur.marsh@f812.n800.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Arthur Marsh)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: FASTPAC, AUSPAC, WHAT ARE THEY?
Date: 11 Oct 92 04:00:12 GMT
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au

Original to: imb@asstdc.oz.au
On Thu 08 Oct at 05:00 imb@asstdc.oz.au (3:713/602) wrote to All:

 i> Is there a relatively inexpensive method of doing this ? Whilst I'm 
 i> not really after a dial-up service, even ISDN is out of my reach 
 i> (I'm self-employed) at 75c per 120 second call charging within 15km 
 i> to say nothing of the annual Telecom "service" charges :-(.

Microlink installation: $360
Microlink annual charge: $912

Call charges - within local calling area:

8am-6pm Mon-Fri voice: 17.5 cents for 1st 120 seconds + 7.5 cents per
                       additional 120 seconds
                data: 20 cents for 1st 110 seconds + 7.5 cents per 
                      additional 110 seconds

all other hours voice: 17.5 cents for 1st 480 seconds + 7.5 cents per
                       additional 480 seconds
                data: 20 cents for 1st 450 seconds + 7.5 cents per
                      additional 450 seconds

Source: ISDN Macrolink & Microlink price guide 1991/1992, AOTC, April 1992.

--- msgedsq 2.1
 * Origin: Camelot Swamp MJCNA, Hawthorndene, Sth Australia (3:800/812)
From: s039965@parasol.cs.uq.oz.au (jonathan corby)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Fidonet
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:05:41 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Queensland Uni, Australia


I have lately become aware that Fidonet is connected to Internet
via various Gateways.  The reason for the posting here is that
I have been trying to post back and forth to my Fidonet node.
To post from Internet to my node is easy you just use mail
and mail it to the correct special Internet address
Jonathan_Corby@f371.n640.z3.fidonet.org.
It then comes through a point on Fidonet somewhere in Victoria
and the From line is
From: AARNET.
Now to post back from Fidonet to Internet I post to a certain node
which is in the U.S. somewhere and give it a set format of message
with the first couple of lines providing the internet address I'm mailing
to.  Presumably the thing I am mailing to "UUCP" strips the message 
accordingly and then posts to internet.
	What I want to know is instead of mailing to this U.S. node
	where is it coming through from Victoria and is the format the
	same for sending messages as I am currently doing?


A truly global mail?
From: cmf851@huxley.anu.edu.au (Albert Langer)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: Proposal: OSI Addressing on AARnet
Date: 12 Oct 1992 11:36:20 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.2.12

In article <9745@kralizec.zeta.org.au> nick@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Nick Andrew) 
writes:
>mrp@itd.adelaide.edu.au (Mark Prior) writes:
>
>>Pancho would have a NSAP allocated from the SA allocation of
>>        39.036.1002.01.00.0800.0001.0012.AA00.0400.5648.00
>
>I prefer IP numbers, not to mention domains!

An NSAP address is essentially similar to a domain name - i.e. a hierarchically
structured address which can be used to determine a "SubNetwork Point of 
Attachment" address, such as an IP address, e.g. using a layer 3 directory
service such as the Domain "Name" Servers.

Main differences are that NSAP addresses only allow a maximum of 20 octets,
sufficient for planet earth, whereas the DNS allows each level of the
hierarchical address to use up to 64 octets, which may become useful when
we have figured out the spread spectrum pseudo-random noise techniques used 
for intergalactic communications with cosmic rays, super-luminal wavicles
and/or quantum phenomena.

Also of course it is considered impolite to refer to IP networks as mere
"Sub" networks, even though the entire Public Switched Telephone Network,
which has many more SNPA addresses, is also an OSI subnetwork.

>Zeta Microcomputer Software

Now THAT is what I would call a component of a "Name" fit for human 
consumption - the sort of thing one might add after "Nick Andrew" if a 
computer was unable to figure out WHICH "Nick Andrew" one wished to 
communicate with. 

This of course requires an applications layer Directory Service, which can 
translate "names" meaningful to humans into "addresses" such as short
meaningless NSAP addresses or much longer meaningless "Domain" addresses,
into equally meaningless SNPA addresses - none of which should ever be
visible to a user and very rarely visible to a system administrator.

Meanwhile we'll just have to make do with "nick@kralizec.zeta.org.au" 
since there isn't an OSI Directory Service available for production use
on the Internet, 4 years after the relevant International Standards were
finalized. Putting up with that I can (almost) understand. But PREFERRING
it???

Xref: sparky aus.sport:319 aus.flame:3672
From: tim@deakin.OZ.AU (Tim Cook)
Newsgroups: aus.sport,aus.flame
Subject: BASTARDSWHOUSEUPPERCASE (was PERTH WILDCATS ! BASKETBALL NEWS)
Date: 7 Oct 1992 14:51:19 +1000
Organization: Deakin University
NNTP-Posting-Host: mimas.cc.deakin.oz.au

blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Bryan Lip) writes:
>DON'T WORRY, I LIKE CAPS UP.
>
>OK, OK
>I THOUGHT I BETTER CONTRIBUTE SOMETHING TO AUS.SPORT ON BASKETBALL,
>SEEMS NOBODY ELSE HAS UP TILL YESTERDAY.
>
> [Rest of arguably biased (note spelling) diatribe deleted]


Um, I think your news posting software is entering your name
incorrectly.  Shouldn't it be BRYAN LIP?


Now, don't worry, I hate punctuation as well...

FORCHRISTSSAKETHEREAREFEWTHINGSIHATEMOREINTHISWORLDTHANBASTARDSWHOCOMMUNICATE
USINGUPPERCASEITISSOBLOODYHARDTOREADANDJUSTLOOKSTOTALLYAGRESSIVEWHENWILLTHEY
LEARN?
From: dudleyp@anl.oz (Paul Dudley)
Newsgroups: aus.sport
Subject: Re: NASCAR and AUSCAR return
Summary: NASCAR and AUSCAR
Keywords: NASCAR AUSCAR THUNDRDOME
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:57:22 GMT
Organization: ANL Ltd (The Australian National Line)

In article <1992Oct08.055728.2468@jabaru.cec.edu.au>, bevans@jabaru.cec.edu.au (Brian Evans) writes:
> 
> Just a reminder for those readers who are interested in Motor Racing,
> NASCAR, AUSCAR, SPORTSMAN and HQ action returns to the Thunderdome
> Melbourne this Sunday the 11th October. This will be the opener for
> the 1992/1993 season.
> From what I have read in the paper, the DASH for CASH will be telecast
> "live" on channel 7 sunday morning. 
> Racing at the DOME starts at 10am.
> 
> Brian

Great to see some other Thunderdome fans out there . Now that the Touring
Car Championship and Nissan benifit is over it's time to see some real
racing .

I'm not a Ford fan but it would be good to see them do well , especially
Terri Sawyer after she had to sit out of last season due to lack of funds .
It would be also good to see someone get behind Steve Harrington , another
great driver hamstrung by a lack of money . Despite what the advertisements
say , he won't be there this weekend , unless he does some last minute deal
to lease or rent a car . So if there are any prospective sponsors out there ,
give this man a go !!

Actually , if Brad Jones drives off into the distance in the AUSCARS , the
best racing could be in the NASCAR championship . There is no clear cut
favourite in this series , and if Bob Jane can get Richard Petty and
A.J. Foyt to run in the December International meeting ( as is rumoured )
it could really bring NASCARS into the limelight in this country .

It will be interesting to see what crowd they get on Sunday . Over the past
two years the crowds have been approx. 20,000 for the normal meetings and
40,000 for the December International . That shits over what they get at
any Touring Car meeting ( apart from Bathurst ) .

Paul Dudley.


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Newsgroups: aus.sport
From: parson@coulomb.pcc.oz.au (Brenda Parsons - x2403)
Subject: Re: Where did all the Basketball fans go ?
Organization: Prospect Electricity, Sydney
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 08:46:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.235642.20790@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> M.Jackson@unsw.edu.au writes:
>I have not been very impressed with Channel 10 since they dropped the live
>coverage because it makes it very hard to catch the away games.
>

NEITHER AM I!!!!

>Anyway, what I would like to hear is anyone's opinions of Channel 10's
>coverage or lack thereof of the playoffs. In Sydney, they showed 
>highlights of the Magic vs the Cannons (game 2) on Sunday afternoon which

It was disgusting that they played the Canons game ... it was a good game
to watch, but I'd rather watch the KINGS!

>What made it worse was that I usually don't want to know the result
>before I watch the game and they gave the result on the news update directly
>before the game was shown. Fortunately, I already knew the result this time
>otherwise I would be even more annoyed.
>
My feelings exactly.

>How to other people feel ? Anybody else have any opinions ? I am considering
>writing to them with my thoughts and other opinions (with your permission) 
>would be helpful.
>
I think Channel 10's dropping the live games mid-season was a disgusting move.
Obviously, channel 9 was getting worried about the live basketball broadcasts
because they started showing the league games at the same time.

From what I've heard, the ratings in Sydney are based on 400 families. Not
really representative from what I can tell, especially for 3,000,000 + people.

Since the Kings have been close to sell out of every home game (except the
first 2 or 3) this season, the TV coverage is obviously not harming home
game attendance, and many of my friends regularly were watching the Saturday
night basketball.

I think at that a half-compromise is in order, so that we get can at least
have the Saturday Away games televised live.

What do you think?

GO KINGS GO!!!

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Newsgroups: aus.sport
From: s9100786@sg04 (Matthew Jackson)
Subject: Kings vs Tigers Game 2 (and Game 3)
Reply-To: M.Jackson@unsw.edu.au
Organization: School of Banking and Finance, University of New South Wales
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 06:17:10 GMT


After previous problems in Melbourne when some didn't know when one of the
games was on a gentle reminder. For all the Sydney basketball fans don't 
forget that Game 2 is on Friday at the Entertainment Centre - advertised 
starting time is 7:30pm. Game 3 when(?) required is on Sunday at 3:00pm

I want to see the place full of screaming Kings fans.

Go Kings !

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M.Jackson@unsw.edu.au                 | School of Banking and Finance
61-2-697-3553                         | University of New South Wales
                                      | Sydney, Australia
From: mrp@ITD.Adelaide.EDU.AU (Mark Prior)
Newsgroups: aus.sport
Subject: Re: Where did all the Basketball fans go ?
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:28:26 GMT
Organization: Information Technology Division, University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: sirius.itd.adelaide.edu.au

In article <1992Oct5.235642.20790@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>, s9100786@sg02.csd (Matthew Jackson) writes:
|> How to other people feel ? Anybody else have any opinions ? I am considering
|> writing to them with my thoughts and other opinions (with your permission)
|> would be helpful.
|>
To put it bluntly, I'm pissed off. It would be a whole lot worse if
the sixers had make it into the 8 but just the same I would like to
actually see some of the finals.

There is a comment in this week's Basketball Week that suggests that
Channel 10 already know they have pissed off quite a few people :-).

Mark.
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From: dudleyp@anl.oz (Paul Dudley)
Newsgroups: aus.sport
Subject: Re: NASCAR and AUSCAR return
Summary: NASCAR and AUSCAR
Keywords: NASCAR AUSCAR THUNDRDOME
Date: 13 Oct 92 05:22:03 GMT
Organization: ANL Ltd (The Australian National Line)

In article <1992Oct12.004341.3382@jabaru.cec.edu.au>, bevans@jabaru.cec.edu.au (Brian Evans) writes:
> 
> >It would be also good to see someone get behind Steve Harrington , another
> >great driver hamstrung by a lack of money . Despite what the advertisements
> >say , he won't be there this weekend , unless he does some last minute deal
> >to lease or rent a car . So if there are any prospective sponsors out there ,
> >give this man a go !!
> 
> I wonder why TT-FM dropped out. (I cannot remember his other sponsor for
> the moment. Was it Goodyear?) I thought that he was starting to look really
> good. For a while there he was having some terrible luck.
> 
The other sponsor was Bob Jane T-Marts , as well as Goodyear .
He should be at the December meeting .

> I for one would like to see more of Marshall J. Brewer! I thought he raced well
> on Sunday and deserves more 1st places!
> 
Definitely !
> 
> All I want for Christmas is for someone to beat Brad Jones!!!!
> 
It was outragous how he turned up to qualifying on Saturday with two cars ,
chose the best of them ( with a new lighter chrome-alloy roll cage ) and
won pole position . He's a big fish in a little pond . When is he going to
get some balls and run NASCAR , and give someone else a go in AUSCAR ?
Whenever he laps backmarkers , we pray that one of them don't see him and
cut him off !!

> IMHO, I thought there were a decent amount of people in attendance. However,
> the infield was closed meaning everyone had to go to the stands. 
> We had trouble getting out of the carpark with it being so wet underfoot.
> The crowds are getting larger thou. I am a Sports Club member at the Dome and
> was told that they now have over 2000 members in the club!
> 
What do you think of the value of the Sports Club ? I have been tossing up
whether to join or not . I go to every Thunderdome meeting , but never go
to the drags . And what if one of the Thunderdome meetings is washed out ?
If it had have been $20 or $30 cheaper I would have joined .
Do you get any discounts for the Indycar Grand Prix at Surfers ?
Anyway , it's good to hear that the club has so many members .

Paul



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Newsgroups: aus.sport
From: sboran@autelca.ascom.ch (Sean Boran)
Subject: Any good footie in November ?
Organization: Ascom Autelca AG, CH-3053 Guemligen, Switzerland
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:32:45 GMT


Hello aussie sport fans,

i'm visiting down under in november and would like to see
a good game of aussie footie. Until now i've only seen
the mixed rules (irish/aussie) live,

Any suggestions ??

cheers,

Sean
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From: baragry@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Jason M Baragry)
Newsgroups: aus.sport
Subject: Re: Where did all the Basketball fans go ?
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:44:00 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

In article <1992Oct7.084652.13533@coulomb.pcc.oz.au> parson@coulomb.pcc.oz.au (Brenda Parsons - x2403) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.235642.20790@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> M.Jackson@unsw.edu.au writes:
>>I have not been very impressed with Channel 10 since they dropped the live
>>coverage because it makes it very hard to catch the away games.
>>
>
>NEITHER AM I!!!!
>

 Who is!

	Apparently, there is going to be a big write up in the next edition
of "Basketball Week" condeming Ten's coverage of the NBL. For example, last
Sunday Ten was showing the Queensland open tennis with two complete unknowns
from France and Denmark playing while the finals of our NBL were being played.

	If anyone has read the current edition of ONE on ONE mag. there is
a good article by Ricky Grace comparing the league to other leagues around
the world. Even in the States they do not televise many live games. My gripe
with Ten is about promotion of the league. They have extremely ordinary 
commentators (Bill Woods, etc) and have not advertised the current playoffs
at all. I read in the paper that the North vs Illawara game on Saturday
night was disappointing because only 4 1/2 thousand people went. I didn't even
know it was being played on Saturday night eventhough I live in Melbourne
and I went the the Magic/Cannons game the night before.
	I think channel Ten should learn a little from Seven's coverage of
the footy in its promotion of the game!


Jason
From: dudleyp@anl.oz (Paul Dudley)
Newsgroups: aus.sport
Subject: Baseball
Keywords: World Series
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:48:23 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: ANL Ltd (The Australian National Line)

So , has anyone been watching the US Baseball telecasts on Channel 9 ?

I hope that the Atlanta Braves go all the way this year and complete 
a Cinderella story by winning the World Series .

I wonder however , how the septic tanks would react to the World Series
leaving the USA in the event of the Toronto Blue Jays winning ?



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Newsgroups: aus.sport