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From: jerryo@pdx103 (Jerry Orleck)
Subject: Re: Bit by bit
Keywords: nn
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:28:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.192534.27227@ichips.intel.com> jerryo@pdx103 (Jerry Orleck) writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.205734.13192@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>>robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese) writes:
>>>Yes I am new to rec.sport.basketball.pro.  If I am not follow proper 
>>>netiquette or some rules to this subject I apologize.  
>
>>Somebody better drag out the old Net Rules And Code Of Behaviour
>>because some of these rookies, sadly, are just "not follow".
>>
>>Here are just a few of the most important rules and standards.  They
>>may seem strange at first, but once you get used to them you will enjoy
>>RSBP all the more:
>>
>>1. Danny Ainge bit Sonny Rollins.
>>2. Michael Jordon is Gad.
>>3. BLAZERZ R00LZ!!!!
>>4. The Celtics get all the calls from the officials.
>>5. The Woofing Theorem:  ``The number of playoff games a team wins is
>>   inversely proportional to the number of exclamation points and upper-
>>   case words in articles posted by the team's fans.''  [J. Oliver, ca. 89]
>>
>>That should get you started.
>
>6. Pippen shoved the Menace.


Oops.  Make that Dennis the Menace

>7. All disputes are settled with FACT:
>8. Never take on Ed.
>
>-- 
>
>Jerry Orleck                                  
>
>jerryo@ichips.intel.com  


-- 

Jerry Orleck                                  

jerryo@ichips.intel.com
From: hancock@fermat.uucp (Tom Hancock)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: 1990 Goodwill Games team
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:21:23 GMT
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <1992Jul28.145329.1900@wkuvx1.bitnet> rasdald@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>>
>>	Here is the roster of the 1990 Goodwill games team.  Someone explain
>>	to me how this team went only 3-2 and lost to Yugoslavia and
>>	the USSR team by 6 & 7 respectively.  Team roster:
>>
...
>>	Charles Smith, Georgetown
...
>
>All the were very young and they had little practice playing with each other.  
>That will yeild bad results.  Only Hurley and Laettner,  Mourning and C. Smith,
>and   Day and Mayburry had played with each other for a long period of time.
>The players were also not developed in all there basketball skills as they 
>are now, too!
>

I think the C.Smith that played on this team was Chris Smith from Connecticut
(just drafted by the Timberwolves). True?



Tom Hancock
Aiken Computation Laboratory 
Harvard University
hancock@das.harvard.edu
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Scott Ostler on Pippen vs Kukoc
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: net
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:47:49 GMT


From today's SF Chronicle:

	Congratulations to the Dream Team for shutting down Tony
	Kukoc, and for bragging about it. [...]
	I could shut down Kukoc if I had Jordan and Magic helping
	me to triple team him [...]
	If Kukoc ever gets to the NBA, at least he knows he won't be
	quintuple-teamed every time [...]
	Yes, Kukoc still has a lot to learn.  If he were an NBA player,
	then after scoring only four points he would have said that he
	had a headache.

Ooh, that one was below the belt.

--Gidi
From: db@duke.cs.duke.edu (Dov Bulka)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Here's one for U (1986 World Championships)
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:29:03 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.


>	Now, if I couldn't understand the 1990 Goodwill Games team not
>	winning, I certainly can't understand this one.  Explain to me 
>	how this team won:
>
>	1986 USA World Championships Team:
>	
      .
      .
>	Tommy Amaker, Duke
>	Kenny Smith, North Carolina
>	Tyrone "Mugsy" Bogues, Wake Forest
      .
      .
>

These three guards were excellent defensive players
and that team pressed a lot. Bringing the ball up
against them was an adventure. 


-- 
An adult child of normal parents
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: San Antonio Rookie Report
Date: 22 Jul 92 08:43:45 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <matthew.711736287@pram.cs.ucla.edu>, matthew@pram.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
> I see in my trusty LA Times (Allan Malamud's "Notes...") that Jerry
> Tarkanian has invited some interesting names to the San Antonio Rookie
> Free Agent camp...

 too bad they left a name or two out...

> Former UNLV players: Anderson Hunt, Jarvis Basnight, Gerald Padio
> Infamous Former UNLV non-player: Lloyd Daniels
> Best of luck to all of 'em.

Yeah - ain't that sweet. Anyway, Matt Othick was is also at the try-outs and
I predict he will stomp the competition as he is the best NCAA guard yet to
graduate from the Pac-10..... bar none....


			gln


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From: jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
Subject: Re: Olympic jerk
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:22:23 GMT

In article <19732@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:

>In article <16832484B.O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU>, O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Doug Miller) writes:
>>  I am getting damn tired of Charles Barkley's mouth and his antics. He
>> is destroying the Dream Team. I just feel sorry for the rest of them because
>> they are making me proud to be an american, Barkley isn't.

> He's been the best damn player out there - face it the NBA defines basketball
>and Charles is a big part of the NBA - if other countries don't like it then
>too bad - that's the way it goes - if they want to compete with the NBA then
>they should learn to play like the NBA and that includes physical and verbal
>taunts.

The only reason Charles is getting more points than Karl Malone is that 
Stockton isn't on the floor. I guarantee when those two complimentary 
players step on the floor, Karl will outshine Sir Charlie. IMHO Charles 
Barkley is an embarrasment when he's out there behaving like the DT was in 
trouble or something. Give it a rest Charles. 

P.S. Phoenix is just waiting to fall apart with that irritant on their team.
Can you imagine Charles and Danny Ainge on the same team, they'll be at each 
other's throats in no time.

Jeff Jonsson
Marriott Library System Support, University of Utah.
==============================================================================
--"It's the sound of the secret--  jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
-- machinery at the center of  --  jjonsson@utahlib.bitnet
-- the world." -Cliff Steele   --  "You talkin' to me?"
From: echen@hardy.u.washington.edu (Ed Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: USA v Angola
Date: 27 Jul 92 06:27:42 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


I have a question that some kind soul can probably answer....

I was watching the Olympics & they mentioned that Karl Malone and 
Charles Barkely (I think) both tried out for the 84 Olympics team &
didn't make it (Jordan, and Ewing made it).

So who were those that beat out CB & KM?  and where are they now?

Better yet, a complete team roster of the 84 team would be great.
Thanks.

						Ed
						echen@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: rstewart@ganglia.megatek.uucp (Rich Stewart)
Subject: Re: Help ME Please!!!!!!!!!!!
Reply-To: megatek!rstewart@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:38:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.001139.9978@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> s1073200@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (P.Jackson-Highlander) writes:
>
>HI I need some help.
>    Is Micheal JOrdan playing baseball???? If so who for and how is he going??
>    Thanks for your replies in advance!!!!
>    Paul
>    Australia


Yes. He is playing for the Chicago White Sox. He is doing very well. 

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From: josh@loglady.ninds.nih.gov (Joshua (Summer student))
Subject: Re: Dream Team VS Brazil
Reply-To: josh@loglady.ninds.nih.gov (Joshua (Summer student))
Organization: National Inst. of Health, NINDS, LMCN
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:27:43 GMT

>In article <1992Jul23.184359.5014@ennews.eas.asu.edu>, sophatsa@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Peraphon) writes:
|> Does anyone know if there is any possibility that the Dream Team will play
|> the Brazilian?  Several friends of mine have been talking about this matchup
|> for some time.  Should this happen, we would definitely cancel all activities
|> to watch the Dream Team scored 200 points.  I'd consider the Dream Team lost
|> if they did not get 200+ points, IMO.



I believe they play Brazil on July 31 4:30 EDT

josh@loglady.ninds.nih.gov
From: vreddy@husc3.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Hornets B-ball
Date: 26 Jul 92 20:31:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Jul26.163140.14196
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Jul25.233909.16211@uc.msc.edu>, mlp@uh.msc.edu (Mark Peterson) writes:
> In article <1992Jul20.190517.8645@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso) writes:
>>team with the backup support of Larry Johnson and Rex Chapman will be able
>   						   ^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> I guess they are not a playoff team....Chapman was traded to I believe the 
> Washington Bullets. (I am not quite sure, but I know he was traded!!!)
> 
> 
>    Don't they have J.R. Reid also, or is he with Orlando?
> 
> 
> 
>                                               Mark Peterson
> 
> 

Yes... again, Chapman was traded, and they DO have J.R. Reid, but the trade
with Chapman was one of the best moves they made. However, they ARE still a
playoff team, and even more so that if they HAD Chapman, especially with
Johnson, Mourning, and Gill... Anyone who would have the courage to say they
won't contend for the playoffs next year should start paying attention
to the NBA...

-- Venk Reddy --
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From: hillyard@msc.cornell.edu
Subject: Re: USA v Angola
Originator: hillyard@tiger.msc.cornell.edu
Reply-To: hillyard@msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:12:52 GMT

From article <1992Jul27.223912.1351@cabezon.uucp>, by jimcar@cabezon.uucp (James Carrasquer):

> 
> It is safe to say that NO ONE beat out Charles Barkley for a spot on 
> the `84 team.  He and Coach Bobby Knight had personality differences.
> The daily reports on the tryouts described several scrimmages going on
> simultanously in the IU gym.  Suddenly there would be a THUNDEROUS DUNK,
> stopping play on ALL the courts so the players could see who had made 
> the play.  These thunder dunks were by Sir Charles.  Sportswriters that 
> had been covering the tryouts all reported that Knight once again proved
> himself to be a ------ (you can fill in the blank).  Knight has certainly
> done this many times in his career and this was no exception.
> 
> I don't know the story on the Mailman.
> 
> Jim
> jimcar@lmc.com

Of course Barkley himself has said that he didn't deserve to make the
team.  So how does that fit into the story.

Remember, Barkley has slimmed down considerably since his college days,
and he's a better player because of it.

SEH
From: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: USA v Angola
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:17:46 GMT
Reply-To: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <1992Jul28.142503.6587@ll.mit.edu>, nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith) writes:
>In article <1tT-YV_@engin.umich.edu> martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:
>this thread appeared a while back.  a kid asked some player (Kevin Willis??)

Rony Seikaly, I believe.  This was a couple of years ago, before Seikaly
become the solid performer that he is today, so it was certainly deflating!

--Rob Clough
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Barkley-Malone, Again (Re: Olympic jerk)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:13:02 GMT

In article <jjonsson.40@alexandria.lib.utah.edu>, jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:
> What I'm saying is, that no one is passing Karl the ball. He's awfully 
> good at putting it in the hole when he has it. Someone in another thread, I 
> think, mentioned that we out west don't get to see Barkley play a lot, 
> well, the same can be said of the people back east not getting to see the 
> Mailman much.

I'm the one who said that you people out west don't get to see Barkley
enough to know his true value.  The reason I said it is because you have
no idea what Charles Barkley brings to the basketball floor.  All you
say is that he is an irritant, that he ruins team chemistry, that he
can't play inside night in and night out, etc. etc.  If you have ever
seen the guy play the game with your own eyes, instead of believing
everything the media says about him, you would have a very different
opinion.

And maybe I don't see Malone as often as people out west, but from what
I do see of him I know that he is an unstoppable force inside.  And he
could play on my team anytime.  But for the last time, if I had to choose
between Barkley or Malone, I would take Sir Charles without a second
thought.  Not because Malone isn't one of the best forwards in the NBA,
but because Charles can and does do more.

You people are seeing this for yourselves.  Barkley rebounds, dribbles
the length of the floor, passes, posts up, blows by defenders, rebounds,
scores inside and out, and plays defense as well as anybody else on the
DREAM TEAM.  Does he get complimented for his outstanding play?  No. 
Why?  Well, uh, er, because if Stockton was on the court with Malone,
Karl would be a better player.  Yeah, and if ifs and buts were candy
and nuts everyday would be Christmas!

> I guess they'll be surprised when The Jazz kick Phoenix' a** 
> all over the western conference next year.

Yeah, I would be very surprised, but not as surprised as you are going
to be.

> Oh, and Stockton could make *any* 
> player better, even Barkley.

So we agree!  Malone is only as good as he is because of Stockton.
While Charles is as good as he is all by himself and he can be
even better if he played on a team with a quality point guard.
Like, oh, I don't know, let's say Kevin Johnson of Phoenix!?!


Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
alux2!jmd

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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Reggie Lewis (was Re: 2nd Dream Team)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 21:05:47 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Jul23.143943.22683@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> wakankar@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.031800.12656@leela.cs.orst.edu> chrisda@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (David Christensen) writes:
>>Dave Meeks writes:
>>
>>you had eggs for breakfast...  Or, you can recognize that stats don't tell you
>>anything nearly as precise as they pretend.
>>
>I remember a british sportswriter (Neville Cardus) writing about game statistics
>He said
>	"Numbers are like bikinis.What they reveal is interesting, but what they 	conceal is vital".
>
>

First off... "Dave Meeks writes"???? I didn't write that..

But anyway..  I agree with this sentiment totally.  Stats don't tell the whole
story.  And besides, as F.H. La Guardia said:
"Statistics are like alienists- they will testify for either side"

However, on the flip side.. Lazarus Long states:

"If it can't be expressed in figures, it is not science; it is opinion"
and
"What are the facts? Again and again and again--what are the FACTS? Shun
wishful thinking, ignore divine revelation, forget what "the stars fortell,"
avoid opinion, care not what the neighbors think, never mind the unguessable
"verdict of history"-- what are the facts, and to how many decimal places?
You pilot always into an unknown future; facts are your single clue.  Get
the facts!"

When dealing with speculative opinion, having at least some basis for
discussion helps.  
-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: USA v Angola
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:09:53 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.133330.2146@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> am402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alex Canada) writes:
>
>   Speaking of Jordan.. what'd ya guys think of that dunk in the second
>half that lit up the crowd? Wow...

Man, that dunk was bad as h*ll...

Magic with the no-look pass over the head to a trailing Jordan.  Jordan 
with his lean-in, clean-off the bottom of my shoes with the ball, SLAM!
Boy, I howled when that one came crashing down.  Loved the quote from 
Marv about how the Angola player had been 'POSTERIZED'!!!!!!!!!!

Couldn't have said it better!

-- 
|_ o_O              Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
|W   |\               Bell Northern Research, Inc.              _        O
|   / \                       Heels in 93!                     / |_      |\
|        before...            Bulls in 93!           after... |   W  o  /|
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Larry Johnson
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:16:26 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

In rec.sport.basketball.pro, aco@fraser.sfu.ca (Alvin Milton Co) writes:
>I read in the morning paper that Larry Johnson was injured in a pick-game in
>Dallas!  Does anybody have any information.  He's suppose to have surgery but
>He should be back in time for training camp!

From the Washington Post, July 31, 1992:

Charlotte Hornets forward Larry Johnson, last season's NBA rookie of
the year, had arthroscopic surgery on his right knee.  The surgery,
which the team physician called a success, was to remove a small piece
of torn cartilage.



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 Steve Williams                           swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey)
Subject: Re: ABA Teams that moved from one city to another
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:19:29 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.185535.8609@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, wakankar@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE) writes:
>As promised, here is a list of NBA teams that moved from one city to another.
>Thanks again to those who replied.
>
>Baltimore Bullets --> Washington Bullets
>
>Chicago Stags --> C.Packers -->C. Zephyrs -->Bulls

Wrong -- the Stags were in the the original BAA.  The Packers were an
expansion franchise in 1961, so it should go Chicago Packers -> Chicago
Zephyrs -> Baltimore Bullets -> Capital Bullets -> Washington Bullets.

The Bulls were an expansion team in the 1966-67 season.

>Buffalo Braves --> San Diego Clippers --> LA Clippers
>
>Milwaukee Hawks --> ST.Louis Hawks --> Atlanta Hawks

Should be Tri-Cities Hawks prior to Milwaukee Hawks.

>Rochester Royals -->Cincinnati Royals -->Kansas city-Omaha Kings --> Sacramento
>
>Ft. Wayne Pistons --> Detroit Pistons
>
>Philadelphia Warriors --> SF Warriors --> GS Warriors
>
>New Orleans Jazz --> Utah Jazz
>
>New York Nets --> New jersey Nets
>
>Comment: Houston Rockets did not move from San Diego. They are successor of Denver Rockets of ABA. I think San Diego Rockets franchise folded.

I beg to differ -- the Rockets most certainly *did* move here from San Diego
-- I was in my senior year of high school when they did.  The Denver Rockets
are still around -- they're now the Denver Nuggets.

-- 
Patrick L. Humphrey  (patrick@is.rice.edu)  Rice Networking & Computing Systems
     +1 713 528-3626 at Rice. 776-1541 at home. 667-6554 at Palace Lanes. 
    *"The opinions expressed by Patrick do not necessarily represent those
             of Rice staff, management, or any living person."*
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara)
Subject: Re:  Laimbeer vs Parish
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 17:38:04 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

I would say that for their accomplishments in the NBA.....
Parish is "without a doubt" (in my mind :) ) going to be in the
Hall of Fame!
As for Laimbeer, a few more good role player years, and he
could be a borderline player to get in to the Hall.....
Then again, he probably won't......too many people hate him!
But....people like Laimbeer (McHale and Parish) taught the NBA
something you see in every game know - how to take a dive!

I remember those great Celtic-Piston play-offs where McHale, Parish,
Laimbeer, and Mahorn would really go at it....Major use of the body!
McHale (on offense) would actually lean on Laimbeer, and Laimbeer would
step aside and McHale would fall on the ground. Foul on Laimbeer!
The refs caught on though, and eventually it would be a no-call....
Then Laimbeer would go lean on Parish and Parish would step aside
sending Laimbeer to the ground......great games they were!

					Marty

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: kilin@wam.umd.edu 
Subject: nba schedule request/nba.c
Originator: kilin@next15pg2.wam.umd.edu
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:15:23 GMT


Hello,

People have been requesting nba schedules, and hoping to get a schedule 
generation program. 

I happened to have a copy of nba.c, and this weekend I would have some time
to give it a crack.

The problems is I need schedules!!! So far, I have only the following teams
schedules available (from newspaper from the library):

Atlanta
Boston
Chicago
Golden State (without time of match, thanks for the poster anyway)
Miami
New York
Philadelphia
Washington

I might be able to get Detroit's schedule before the end of the week, but
that's about it. So if anyone of you can send me a copy of their favourite
team(s)' schedule, I will be able to give nba.c a crack by the end of the 
week.

Please send the schedule of any of the team you have to me. I'll try to
finish the program by this week if I get all the schedule, otherwise, I will
post the schedules to the net next week and see if anybody can pick it up
from there.

Thanks a lot in advance!!!

David
kilin@wam.umd.edu