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From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Ideas for Sabotage Workshop
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:21:04 GMT
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing

Gordon Banks writes:
>If I only ate when I was hungry, I'd have no weight problem.

Exactly!  That's why my main goal these days is to eat only
(and always) when I'm hungry--physically hungry.

>There is a physical hunger and a mental hunger.  The physical
>hunger is much easier to deal with.  In fact, it is easier
>for me to *not* eat when physically hungry than it is to
>not eat when mentally hungry (e.g. with a pecan pie sitting
>in front of me, despite having finished dinner and not being
>hungry at all).  Once I have mentally decided I will not eat
>such things as pecan pie (i.e., a diet) I could be famished
>with the pie in front of me but I won't touch it.  Lacking
>that mental attitude, I could be full with the pie in front
>of me and I'll have 2 pieces.

When you say "the physical hunger is much easier to deal with,"
you sound like you're trying to say "No" to your physical hunger.
Why?  If you *are* famished, and the pie is in front of you,
why not eat a piece or two?  What's happened with me, is that
by allowing myself to eat when hungry--indeed, insisting that
I eat when hungry--I've changed my eating habits.  I've almost
completely shut down the "mental" hunger, by ignoring it,
distracting it, and most of all, by eating when I'm physically
hungry. 

It's like the whole difference between your approach, Gordon,
and my approach, boils down to the simple words "no" and "yes."
You're trying to say "no" to all the "bad" foods, and I'm trying
to say "yes" to all the "good" foods.

						--Fiona Webster
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Diet Pep
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:33:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul27.221534.25690@Cadence.COM> fran@Cadence.COM (Fran Peterson) writes:
>
>
>Has anyone heard of a product called Diet Pep.  Suppose to curb
>the appetite and boost energy?
>
I have used the "Pep". It seems to be a mild stimulant that *does*
seem to curb hunger. I used it and several products like it for a few
months a couple of years ago. I liked the effect and felt it was
useful for general energy boost.

Unfortunately there is something in these preparations that *really*
irritates my stomach lining. I think this stuff contributed to a
recurrence of an ulcer!

I tried many products like this trying to figure *which* item caused
the problem as I did *like* the actual effect. I never found out and
so do not use these.

I would be anxious to find out if anyone else has been able to isolate
an irritant in these and can suggest a similiar product with no ill effects!
>
>Also, have seen another product in health food stores refered to
>as Dieter's Tea. There's no explantion or info on the box and
>it's to expensive to buy just to read the info inside, if there
>is any.
>
Dieter's tea is a *serious* laxative. I have used it but feel it is
*far* too harsh to be used with any regularity (pun intended). I
assume this stuff would upset the  balances needed in the body for
health.

I would avoid this stuff.

Best wishes,

rf

>
>Any feedback or experience with any of these two items?
>
>Thanks,
>
>"Think Slim - Be Slim"
>
>"I like myself unconditionally"
>
>F [:)
>
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: hypoglycemia
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:09:59 GMT

i JUST discovered this group....hooray.

my problem:  a gain of 20 pounds since january!  i am having trouble
with a hormone imbalance...and show the symptoms of hypoglycemia
(although it doesn't show up in a blood test...)

if i don't eat EVERY 2 hours i feel like i am going to pass out  (even
when i am not "stomach hungry")

does anyone out there know about hypoglycemia...and how to cope
without getting FAT?

thanks.

barb


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From: lgold@callahans.Cadence.COM (Lynn Gold)
Subject: Re: Support Needed!
Organization: /mnt4/lgold/.organization
	<14h8o5INNlr6@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> <92204.081055ICDJK@ASUACAD.BITNET>
	<1992Jul22.170838.94701@cs.cmu.edu>
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1992 08:19:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.170838.94701@cs.cmu.edu> jennie+@cs.cmu.edu (Jennifer Kay) writes:

>Hi folks. I've been reading this group while eating all the wrong
>things and figuring that sooner or later I'd get back on track. Well,
>this morning I actually started with a healthy breakfast, and I even
>managed a pretty good lunch too. I've decided that since all my other
>diets (billions of them) end with me feeling totally starving and
>binging, I'm going to try and satisfy myself at every meal. Today at
>lunch that meant I went upstairs and bought a bag of pretzles because
>I was still hungry. 

>The most miraculous thing that happened today is that I actually
>realized part way through the bag of pretzles that I wasn't really
>hungry and I actually stopped eating them and put them away in my desk
>drawer. Anyway, I'm writing this article to keep me from eating them.
>Besides, I figure if I tell half the world that I'm not going to eat
>them, maybe I won't. But boy do I want to. This diet stuff is crazy.

REMEMBER...you CAN have them LATER, but you CAN'T have them once
you've eaten them.

--Lynn
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From: kallen@unislc.uucp (Karen Allen)
Subject: Last 10 lbs / Losing Control
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:10:04 GMT


Hi!
  I have been reading this group for a while now and would like to introduce
myself..but first I would like to say...I am very motivated by all of your 
contributions to this group and would like to thank all of you for that.  
I have been a yo-yo dieter for about 14 years now, I am 31 years old and have
finally reduced to within 10 lbs of my desired weight.  I have read a few
other posts from folks who seem to be experiencing the same frustrations I
have; I have been restricting my calories to around 1200 per day or less.  I
have been cutting out fat as close to 0% as I can possibly get (never over
10%).  I have a very bland diet which requires that I supplement with 
protein and vitamins because I am very active (aerobics: 30 min every day,
racquetball: 1-2 hours twice a week, weight-lifting: 6 days/wk +
softball twice a week, and rollerblading and horse riding on occasion).
  What I don't understand is...why can't I lose the last 10 pounds?  My body
fat seems to accumulate at the thighs and rear...I have increased the muscle
size in those areas. This is supposed to increase capillaries in the area 
which are supposed to increase the body's ability to tap into the fat 
resources. The circumference is becoming smaller, but the pockets of fat still 
remain.  What influence do hormones have in utilizing fat storage?  How can I
overcome genetics which partially determine why I store fat in pockets rather 
than in even distribution?  
  I am so close to meeting my goal, but I have gone for two months of very
restricted dieting without losing an ounce. I am becoming discouraged and I
am afraid that the first time I allow myself to eat something normal (but
still low in fat ..20%)  I will gain weight again.  By the way, when I say
normal I am refering to recipes in "How to Lower Your Fat Thermostat 
Cookbook".  I try to religiously stick to low fat recipes but never seem to
lose...I just maintain and sometimes even gain in waterweight because I am
sensitive to complex carbohydrates.  So I am scared to eat anything but 
fruit, non-fat cottage cheese, steamed or raw veg's and occasionally chicken.
That's the extent of my diet!!!  When the Domino's Pizza commercial comes on,
my mouth just waters!  I know if I ever took the first bite...I would be
lost again!!
  Anyone have any suggestions?    I'm losing control and I just don't want
to gain it all again (I have lost a total of 30 lbs).

  Thanks!!!

   Karen.
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From: abascal@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Liana B. Abascal)
Subject: roller blading
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:07:48 GMT

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To: abascal@cory.berkeley.edu

Hi everyone,
   I don't want to freak you guys out but I wanted to emphasize the
importance of protecting your head if you are going to take on roller
blading.  My roomate hit her head hard while skating backwards last year
and had a siesure (sp?) on the way to the hospital (she was concious and
feeling fine at first).  She cannot drive a car for a year because when
ever someone experiences an injury like that, the hospital is required to
notify the DMV and they will suspend your liscence for a year or until a
doctor gives the OK.
    She was a good skater - this happens to EVERYONE not just beginners.

  Take care, (sorry to be off the subject)
        Liana
From: kathy@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (AUS:GREENWOOD,KATHY)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: roller skates
Date: 29 Jul 92 04:33:00 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services, Norman, OK
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hi!
	It sure sounds like roller skating could be lots of fun but I'ld like
to know how they are on bumpy roads.  Do you have to use them on sidewalks
(concrete) and bike path type places or is it possible along the side of a 
road?

............................................................................
Kathy Greenwood                 
Math Major (believe it or not!)   
University of Oklahoma          

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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jblackwo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (J P Blackwood)
Subject: Re: Fat Substitue(s) ??
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:53:28 GMT


Simplesse is made by Monsanto, the people who make nutra-sweet. It is available
in ice-cream that is IMHO not as good as fat free icecreams that use skim milk 
solids and other semi-real food. Simpless breaks down when heated (No frying)


Another product currently being considerred by the FDA is called Olestra. It 
will stand up to heat and could lead to things like fat free french fries (!)


-J.P.
From: veklerov@spindle.ee.lbl.gov (eugene veklerov)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Fat Substitue(s) ??
Date: 25 Jul 1992 19:37:23 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Reply-To: veklerov@spindle.ee.lbl.gov (eugene veklerov)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.112.82

In article <111840003@hpfcmdd.fc.hp.com> amy@hpfcmdd.fc.hp.com (Amy O'Keefe-Hyser) writes:
>
> As anyone heard any more on the development of a fat substitute ?
> I think I heard it referred as 'Simpless' (spell ??).  I thought
> it was about to come out in products like ice cream, but I haven't
> seen it or heard more about it ...
>
> Amy.

Ii is available in ice-cream.  I believe the correct spelling is
'simplese'.  All major supermarkets carry it.  It comes in several
flavors, including vanilla, chocolate, rocky road, etc.  Look for
small blue containers.  If memory serves me well, some varieties
also use NutraSweet.

Does anyone know if that substance is used in other products?

       Eugene
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Ideas for Sabotage Workshop
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:04:13 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <1992Jul16.152545.26401@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) writes:
>
>The hardest part of this approach, for me, is sensing my hunger.
>Sometimes those sensations of being full, or being hungry, are
>really mysterious and elusive to me.  Do other folks have trouble
>with "reading" their body's hunger &/or satiety signals?  I'd
>love to hear what tips you might have, because I'm still learning
>how to do it...

If I only ate when I was hungry, I'd have no weight problem.
There is a physical hunger and a mental hunger.  The physical
hunger is much easier to deal with.  In fact, it is easier
for me to *not* eat when physically hungry than it is to
not eat when mentally hungry (e.g. with a pecan pie sitting
in front of me, despite having finished dinner and not being
hungry at all).  Once I have mentally decided I will not eat
such things as pecan pie (i.e., a diet) I could be famished
with the pie in front of me but I won't touch it.  Lacking
that mental attitude, I could be full with the pie in front
of me and I'll have 2 pieces.
-- 
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Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon." 
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From: lmc@duke.cs.duke.edu (Lynn Mueller Canaday)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: A news/email diet scam?
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:34:19 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Jul27.141551.11362@inmet.camb.inmet.com>, mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
|> 
|> What has been posted up to this point does not qualify for being
|> "hard" on Mr. (and I use the term loosely) Pival.  If Mr. Pival
|> feels he has the right to "solicit" consumers for his quack
|> program, then I guess I have a similar right to flame his 
|> butt in this news group (yeah, I got solicited too).
|> 
     STUFF DELETED

|> You could actually type this with a straight face?! What a load
|> of crap!!! 
|> 
    STUFF DELETED
|> 
|> Poetic justice would be that Mr. Pival (and Mr. Bulloch) would
|> soon receive an email message that read:
|> 
|>    I hope I'm not intruding with this note, but I read your
|>    message and wondered whether you've heard about a newly-
|>    introduced (as of June 19, 1992) intelligance gaining progam 
|>    which allows you not only to get a clue but also allows you 
|>    to approach normal human brain functioning. (I know
|>    what you're thinking, and the answer is YES, it *works*.)
|> 
|> Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
|> mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
|> ...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls


AMEN, BETH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lynn
From: jbrown@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Jennifer Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Success Stories!
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:43:41 GMT
Reply-To: jbrown@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Jennifer Brown)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I am a 26 year old female, 5'3", and currently weigh 117 lbs. and still
going down.

Seven months ago, I weighed 130-135.  Being a "petite" person the extra
pounds really showed.  This was the second time my weight had gotten
that high.

I took the advice I read on misc.fitness and read Covert Bailey's book,
"Fit or Fat".  Well needless to say I am a devout Covert follower.

I dusted off my NordicTrac and started using it.  In the beginning only
2-3 times a week for 15 minutes.  Then up to 4-5 times a week for 30
minutes.  I did this for four months, coupled with a new "lower" fatty
foods lifestyle.  I lost about 7 pounds and reached a plateau! Then
I started jogging.  In two months I had worked my way up to 2 miles
a day 6-7 times a week and lost another 4 pounds.  Hit another plateau,
so I decided to try step aerobics coupled with my jogging and lost another
4 pounds.  So seven months later I've lost a total of 15 pounds and
my percentage of body fat went from 24.5% down to 17%.  Patience is
a virtue but the pay-off are worth the wait and hard work. I remind
myself periodically that this is a way of life!  I'll be exercising
for many many years to come.   = )

For all you WW out there keep up the good work!  My lose averages out
to be approimately 2.14 pounds per MONTH thats .5 a week.  KEEP UP THE
GOOD WORK.  = )

On a side note:  I hate the word "DIET"!  To me it implies a start,
a finish and deparvation.  Although I have lowered my fat intake I am
not obsessive about.  I just eat reduced calorie bread, more chicken
& fish, rice & pasta.  BUT I do eat PIZZA, Chili, and fast-foods; not
everyday or even every week, but if I want it I eat.  And you know what?
I don't gain weight!  I have lost weight even when I've had all three
in the same week!!  I feel it's better to satisfy my urges rather than
feel deprived and go on a binge.  = )

Well on that note, I guess I shared my story!  I do realize what works
for me won't necessairly work for others.  So to everyone KEEP UP THE
GOOD WORK! and remember EXERCISE, EXERCISE, EXERCISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thanks for listening,


Jennifer Brown
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wednesday, 22 Jul 1992 08:10:55 MST
From: <ICDJK@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Exercise Tapes
Distribution: world
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Step aerobics is my favorite exercise.  (My husband made my step)  I use two ta
pes, Kathy Smiths and Reebok Step.  How I stay motivated is now my whole family
 steps with me.  When I get home from work the tape is already in the VCR and
everyone waits for me to get changed.  It really is more fun when you exercise
with people around you.

I also want to say that I have been reading this group since it started.  This
group has helped me.  Thank you all.
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From: jennie+@cs.cmu.edu (Jennifer Kay)
Subject: Support Needed!
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 17:08:38 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

Hi folks. I've been reading this group while eating all the wrong
things and figuring that sooner or later I'd get back on track. Well,
this morning I actually started with a healthy breakfast, and I even
managed a pretty good lunch too. I've decided that since all my other
diets (billions of them) end with me feeling totally starving and
binging, I'm going to try and satisfy myself at every meal. Today at
lunch that meant I went upstairs and bought a bag of pretzles because
I was still hungry. 

The most miraculous thing that happened today is that I actually
realized part way through the bag of pretzles that I wasn't really
hungry and I actually stopped eating them and put them away in my desk
drawer. Anyway, I'm writing this article to keep me from eating them.
Besides, I figure if I tell half the world that I'm not going to eat
them, maybe I won't. But boy do I want to. This diet stuff is crazy.

Having read the praises of Covert Bailey's Fit or Fat on this bboard I
went out and bought a copy. Not that it's gotten me to exercise yet.
I'm hoping that I'll convince myself to do so tonight.

So, some questions for the group. First, I'd like to second the
question I just read: any yo-yo dieters out there who have finally
succeeded in losing the weight and keeping it off? It'd be great to
hear your story! What else? I've been heavy since my teen years. Is
there anyone out there who has been heavy for a while who has found
that exercising really works? I know they all say it works, but I
always tend to feel that it wouldn't work for me. Or just post if you
had a weight problem for a long time and finally managed to lose the
weight. Is there anyone out there who has to lose more than 50 lbs?
That's me I'm afraid. Anyway, this group has gotten me started, and
I'd like to keep this up. Please people, post success stories on this
bboard, I need to keep seeing them. 

Thanks for letting me blather,

-- Jennie
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Don't mail me this CRAP!
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:32:59 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <712235002@hornet.cs.duke.edu> lmc@duke.cs.duke.edu (Lynn Mueller Canaday) writes:
>Why do these people e-mail me????  Let me just make it PERFECTLY clear
>- I AM NOT INTERESTED IN ANYBODY'S DIET SCHEME SO DON'T TRY TO SELL ME
>ANYTHING!!!!!  I am VERY happy with WW and I am not going to buy or

He's sending me his material.  I'll examine it and give you my
professional opinion about it.  I am quite skeptical of anything
labelled as "no diet".  Either you change your diet or you change
your exercise or you don't lose weight, save getting a tape worm
which was suggested by someone.



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geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon." 
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From: cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf)
Subject: Re: Carob
Organization: /home/ludviga/cindy/.organization
Date: 26 Jul 92 16:10:41

>Can someone tell me the benefits of carob over chocolate?
>I've always heard that carob was a "health" food, but why?

The basic benefit is that carob is less bitter than cocoa, so you
don't need to use as much sweetener with it.

Sorry, i don't know about caffeine or about calorie counts...

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Tapeworm Diet
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 20:51:28 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland


Many years ago, I heard a tale about people intentionally infecting
themselves with tapeworms for the purpose of losing weight. Once they 
reached the desired weight, they would take medicine to kill the 
tapeworms, and that would be the end of the "diet." 

I also heard there were chocolate candies sold that contained
tapeworm eggs, and they were sold as diet food.

Anyway, would eating tapeworms under medical supervision be a
viable way to treat morbid obesity? When you consider the
drastic alternatives of stomach stapling, etc, the idea doesn't
seem entirely outrageous.

Medical laboratories could breed healthy tapeworms for this purpose to
ensure secondary infections from something in the tapeworm would not be
an issue.
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