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From: sheldon@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Roger Sheldon - AISS)
Subject: Re: Slow Play
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 14:01:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.170300@screwdriver.Prime.COM> lekberg@screwdriver.Prime.COM (Paul Lekberg) writes:
>In article <4901@balrog.ctron.com>, spillane@ctron.com (Jim Spillane) writes:
>|> 
>
>|> I disagree!  I happen to take a few practice swings at each hole.
>|> I like to, and it makes me feel more confident.  Anyone playing in
>|> a group behind me who tries to rush me just may end up eating
>|> one of their own clubs (I wouldn't treat mine so badly).
>|> I mean it, too, so let someone try.  I pay my greens fees every
>|> weekend just like everyone else, and have the right to play at `
>|> my own pace.  If that includes practice swings on each hole, or even
>|> if I decided to mentally adjust myself for a few minutes with silent
>|> contemplation, that's my own choice.  Interfere with that at your
>|> own risk.
>|> 
>
>As mentioned in my previous article, I am not against a few practice
>swings.  But if a golfer usually doesn't hit the ball well, why
>take more than 2 practice swings?
>
>Secondly, just because you pay your green fees, or your club membership
>or an entry fee to a tournament be it local, state or national, 
>does not give you the right to play at your own pace if your pace
>is deemed unacceptably slow.   Unacceptably slow is any group that
>falls 1 hole behind the group in front of them and the group in back
>is waiting.  If the group in front happens to be fast and there's
>no one waiting in back of you, no problem.     Also, if you or
>your group wants to play slow and there's people in back waiting
>and there's no one in front, wave them through as a courtesy.
>
I agree, and so do a lot of professionals.  I was watching the
World Series of Golf last night.  They were interviewing Blain
McCallister who said that in Golf World or some such golf magazine
Lanny Wadkins had an article complaining about slow play on the tour.
There's even talk about fining players for slow play.

On TV, you don't get much of a feeling for how slow the pros are playing.
I watched some of the Kemper Open in person earlier this year.   It
seemed to me that most of the time wasted is on the green.  A twosome
of pros takes more time than a foursome of regulars!

Roger
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From: sheldon@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Roger Sheldon - AISS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Rude, Rude, rude
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:52:53 GMT
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center

In article <1992Aug31.124300.19416@netnews.whoi.edu> tschorer@hoh.mbl.edu writes:
>
...long story about rude guy deleted...

You deserve praise, not flames.  I can't believe that jerk acted like that
in front of his own kid.  I wish a marshall had been around to escort him
off the course, never to return.

Roger
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From: cdash@moet.cs.colorado.edu (Charles Shub)
Subject: Pace of play
Organization: University of Colorado at Colorado Springs
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 00:01:00 GMT

Recently, the "pace of play" issue has been discussed, and the often
mentioned open hole in front of you metric has been suggested.  I
worked a tournament about 3 weeks ago where pace of play became an
issue.  We had a group that somehow got 3 holes behind the group
in front of them.  The question was whether to penalize them for slow
play.  One side of the argument was that there were 3 holes open and
other groups were waiting.  The other side of the argument was that 15
minutes per hole, a tournament round would take 4 1/2 hours, and the
group was progressing at a rate more rapid than that.

The point is that an open hole in front should be a rule of thumb, not
an absolute.

John V's point about courtesy is well taken.  If you do have an open
hole in front of you, and there are people waiting on you, you should
offer to let them through, even if you are playing faster than the
norm for the course.  On the other hand, if you are being held up, you
can always politely ask to play through.
-- 

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From: David.Moore@tdkt.kksys.com (David Moore)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: The pros aligning their
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 22:17:02 -0600

RR>What are the pros doing when they turn their ball around before
RR>putting?  Are they lining up the ball with the name stamp (legal?)
RR>or rotating the ball so that only white shows?  They all seem to
RR>do it and even with the very short putts (time waster alert!!).

Ron--

As other folks have posted, they do it to line up their  putts.   My
teaching  pro  gave  me  this tip and I've used it VERY successfully
since.  I line up the label by crouching down  behind  the  ball  to
look  at the break of the putt.  I point the label appropriately for
the break.  Then, I line up to the putt and only look  to  the  hole
for  distance.   Then,  I  concentrate  on  hitting the ball with my
putter sweet spot on line with that label.  I never  look  up  as  I
KNOW  I've  lined  up properly.  Great confidence builder.  I've had
many putts that had a break to them and the ball has gone  right  in
from  a  long ways (and many where the ball scorched the back of the
hole and skipped out)--I just have to work on putt speed!

I've had a few putts where after I line up the label and set  up  to
putt,  I look at the hole for distance and think "NAH, that can't be
the right line".  But I go ahead and putt it  as  the  label  shows.
The results are almost always close to the hole or in.  It shows how
you can misalign by trusting your eyes when you are sideways to  the
hole.

As  for  time  wasting,  I try to do all the label lineup stuff very
quickly and certainly don't use it for tap ins.


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From: spillane@ctron.com (Jim Spillane)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Divots.....
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:14:02 GMT
Reply-To: spillane@olympus.ctron.com (Jim Spillane)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.


>In article <1992Aug27.173315.6199@mmm.serc.3m.com>, us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (St
>even M. Anastasi) writes:
>|> ... much deleted ...
>|> I take a swish at the ground with long irons and my woods.  About an 1/8
>|> swing.  Why?  Habit.  Addressing the ball.  Getting the feel for the
>|> club.  It doesn't consume much time.  I don't get why people take
>|> practice swings after the first hole.  And if they do take practice
>|> swings  ONE IS ENOUGH!
>|>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^

>
>      AMEN !!!!

I disagree!  I happen to take a few practice swings at each hole.
I like to, and it makes me feel more confident.  Anyone playing in
a group behind me who tries to rush me just may end up eating
one of their own clubs (I wouldn't treat mine so badly).
I mean it, too, so let someone try.  I pay my greens fees every
weekend just like everyone else, and have the right to play at `
my own pace.  If that includes practice swings on each hole, or even
if I decided to mentally adjust myself for a few minutes with silent
contemplation, that's my own choice.  Interfere with that at your
own risk.

-JAS
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From: javery@bnr.ca (Joel Avery)
Subject: Re: Losing Clubheads
Reply-To: javery@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 15:34:41 GMT

In article <cmhaar-020992182058@mac2867.chem.nwu.edu>, cmhaar@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Chris Haar) writes:
|> 
|> Not to be argumentative, but:
|> 
|> [...scientific analysis of swing deleted...]
|> 
|>      But in the end, you are correct that the clubhead could come off at
|> any time and in any direction.  There is a finite probability for the
|> occurrence of any event.

I golf with a friend with a set of real scary set of clubs, as I have been
with him when he has broken not one, but two clubs.  I can testify that
both club heads went forward 40 to 50 yards.  In one case, the head came
unglued, and in the other, the shaft broke at the clubhead.  In neither case
did he do anything abnormal to cause the breakage (well, his swing is kind
of screwed up).

Incidentally, it is very hard to see the club head in the air, you have to
find it by the noise it makes flying through the air.

Jim, save a life, buy some new clubs!!
|> 
|> cmh
|> Vote, dammit!

-- 

Joel Avery   <javery@bnr.ca>
From: gnicoll@cs.strath.ac.uk (Gavin F Nicoll SS91)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Brain Teaser
Keywords: Need Info
Date: 30 Aug 92 21:34:57 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

After all those trivial and easy quizzes on who plays what make of
clubs and what are the old names of clubs, here is a quiz that will
stretch everyones knowledge of past champions to the limits.

Can anyone name the past winners, their score and the venue of all
four majors between the years of 1950 and 1960 inclusive. 

As I dont envisage anyone getting the complete solutions, I'll post
the answers in a couple of weeks time.

Happing hunting      

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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 4 Sep 1992 15:10:47 EDT
From: <DLUX@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: 3 club tournament--which three?

I did not read the net for a few days and I missed this interesting discussion
so far. I think anybody taking a wood is crazy. You seem to be under the
delusion that you are going to hit greens. How many do you hit when carrying
all 14 clubs? The name of this game is scramble. Take the longest iron that
you hit well. You are not going to hit greens on long par fours anyway. Get
in position for a chip on your third shot and one putt if you are lucky. Most
par fives can be reached with 3 five iron shots or less.
I think you are just as crazy if you do not take your putter. It is the most
frequently used club in your bag. You probably average 2 or more strokes per
hole with it. If 2 strokes per hole is the best you can do with a club
designed for putting, imagine what you will do with a 4 iron. You are insane
not to take a putter.
The money club in this tourney is going to be a short iron: 9, PW, SW, your
choice. You need something that you can hit anywhere from 120 to 5 yards. Up
and down scrambling will win the tournament.
I would let the length of the par threes determine my club selection. If there
are long par threes, let them determine the long iron (2,3,4, or 5). Any of
these will do on the par fives and you are not going to hit the par fours
anyway. The par threes will probably dictate what short iron you take as well.
It is likely that you will choose 9, PW, SW, and maybe even an 8 iron.
You have got to take a putter !!!
On my course, 6300 yd. Donald Ross design, small severely sloped greens and
lots of sand, I would have to go 4 iron, 9 iron and putter.
This is an interesting debate! Someone should compile the responses.
Keep them down the middle!
Dan Lux
From: clarkem@uproar.enet.dec.com (Mike Clarke)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: First lesson
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:08:45 GMT
Reply-To: clarkem@uproar.enet.dec.com (Mike Clarke)
Distribution: rec.sport.golf
Organization: Digital Equipment Service Industries Solutions Company Ltd


In article <1992Aug30.010510.23780@ncsu.edu>, 
ksb@adm.csc.ncsu.edu (Kelvin S. Bryant) writes:
>
>I finally took the advice of so many good 
>(and bad) players in this group and took
>a lesson from a golf pro.  Of course my swing
>is completely different now but I feel
>like I am on my way!  I can't wait to get out 
>on the driving range (it used to
>be a depression session).  If you are a beginner 
>like myself, don't waste another
>dime on additional equipment or trips 
>on the driving range until you take a few lessons
>from a QUALIFIED instructor.  I have 3 more lessons 
>and mucho practice to go...
>
>ksb.
>-- 
>******************************************************************************
>Kelvin S. Bryant     NCSU Computer Science Dept. 
>Box 8206             Internet: ksb@adm.csc.ncsu.edu              
>NCSU                 Voice: 919-515-7173
>

Hear, Hear!

Unfortunately it took me two years of misery before I realised that this is
true.  Nobody else should suffer like that :-(.  Just a few lessons makes more 
difference than all the high-tech equipment in the world.  After all, the 
best clubs that money can buy won't make any difference unless you know how 
to use them.

Happy hacking,

Mike
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Rude, Rude, rude
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 18:37:59 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Aug31.124300.19416@netnews.whoi.edu> tschorer@hoh.mbl.edu () writes:

>     Forgive me Golfers for I have sinned.
>[story about an unpleasant encounter deleted...]

I know the feeling well.  Golf has unfortunately deteriorated into a game
where anyone with a sixpack and a Raiders tank-top feels they can pop
onto the local course and slash away with no regard for rules, etiquette
or safety.  The result is six-hour rounds, ample playing distractions and
public courses in ratty condition.

There really isn't much you can do.  Most of the offenders aren't
interested in the game beyond its ability to provide a diversion, so
they aren't likely to be very receptive to even the most courteous of
constructive criticism.  Your best bet is to avoid the courses on weekends
and late afternoons, when most of these clowns appear.  When you do
stumble onto a group of bozos, though, do what I do -- point out that
bowling costs less, you get to wear more polyester and you've always
got a hand free for your brewsky.

If that doesn't work, there's always the .38 wedge...
-- 
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From: checksix@flyboy.EBay.Sun.COM (Al Conte)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Lightweight Steel Shafts
Date: 3 Sep 1992 17:37:43 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: checksix@flyboy.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: flyboy.ebay.sun.com

I use TT lites and love them dearly.
After trying my fathers Pings, the TT lites felt much more for giving and transmitted
what the club head was doing much better.


Al

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From: WLC@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: Practice Swings (wAS : re: Divots.....)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 13:41:01 EDT

In article <1992Aug28.191101.5766@meaddata.com>
john@meaddata.com (John Manion) writes:
 
>
>
>If you're in hurry, don't come out and play.  I think it's time we all realized
>that the sport of golf is growing very rapidly.  Everyone out on the course
>is not a low handicapper, give em a break, they need time to learn the game as
>much as you and I did when we started.
>
>If you want to bitch about slow play, bitch to the course owners, pros and
>managers who send groups off at 3-5 minute intervals.  They're the ones
>causing the problems, not me and my practice swing!
>
>--
>|John T Manion
 
Amen. It has become very stylish to worry more about how long it has taken to
play a round of golf than to fret about how many strokes it took. I am a
single digit handicap who plays many competitive rounds and who plays many
casual rounds with beginners or whoever shows up. I find that I play a lot
better if I think about MY ball and my course strategy and let the other
players take care of their games. It never ceases to amaze me how many golfers
are convinced that there is only one way to swing a club, take a divot, or
prepare to hit a shot. Now they are convinced that if you take more than 3:30
to play 18 you are slow and should be banned from the links. Golf is NOT a
race- you do not get bonus points for being quick.
I do not want to seem as if I am advocating 5 1/2 hour rounds. I am not. What I
am advocating is a return to etiquette. That means the slower people let the
faster people through and everyone gets a little less aggravated if the guy in
the foursome ahead takes a few extra seconds to set up for his shot.
 
Bill Cunningham
Yale University
From: leonard@mpd.tandem.com (Leonard Toohey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Rude, Rude, rude
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:23:26 GMT
Reply-To: leonard@norma.UUCP (Leonard Toohey)
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Aug31.124300.19416@netnews.whoi.edu> tschorer@hoh.mbl.edu writes:
>
>     Forgive me Golfers for I have sinned.

stuff deleted

>I rescued the wedge from that nasty man.  Go ahead, FLAME ME,I deserve it.  But 
>haven't you all encountered someone like this. someone who doesn't understand and
>doesn't want to understand.  Go ahead, FLAME ME, because of the length of this
>post.  Sorry I just had to get that off my chest.
>

How many of you have ever been "hit into" by the group behind you. Or do you
ever hit into the group in front of you after five holes of waiting on them 
with no other groups ahead of them.

Any other ideas on how to encourage groups to speed up or practice proper
etiquette?

Thanks, 


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From: whitley@mksol.dseg.ti.com (harlon whitley 952-2342)
Subject: Re: Practice Swings (wAS : re: Divots.....)
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:50:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.172320.13672@chiton.ucsd.edu>, martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug28.103545@screwdriver.Prime.COM> lekberg@screwdriver.Prime.COM (Paul Lekberg) writes:
|> >|> 
|> >|> It is all personal preference, what makes you comfortable on the course, and
|> >|> hey if you want to take 5 practice swings, go for it, who cares.  Relax.
|> >
|> >  I'm not against taking a practice swing or two but taking more 
|> >than two will invite slow play.   There is nothing more aggrevating
|> >than watching someone take 2,3,or 4 practice swings and then proceed
|> >to hit it sideways or just beyond their shadow.   If you are not
|> >a good player, don't waste your time and others (especially those
|> >behind you) by taking all those practice swings.  "Grip it and
|> >rip it".
|> 
|> Everything is relative. I've played with people who take 3 or 4 practice
|> swings but they were ready to hit when it was their turn, and/or they walked
|> fast, and/or they lined up there put WHILE it was someone else's turn to putt.
|> On the other hand, I've played with people who don't take practice swings, but
|> take 5 m...........and other stuff deleted.

   I have seen people walk up to their ball, look at their target, back off
   and get behind the ball and look at their target.  Then they reapproach the
   ball, set their driver in position s-l-o-w-l-y and the begin to pop the wood
   up and s-l-o-w-l-y let it down behind the ball.  Then after about 3 or 4
   times of this they hit it, with a slice.  GOOD GRIEF!

   I agree with "Grip it and rip it"!  The more time you take to think about the
   shot offers more of a chance to &#%@ up. IMHO.
From: David.Moore@tdkt.kksys.com (David Moore)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Saving Grips
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 23:15:02 -0600


Request to Perry Ramsey and Gv Fragante---help!

PR>I'm using lighter fluid, which is naptha.  I just happened to have some
PR>around, and the tip on the can is really small, so I can get it cleanly
PR>into the hole in the grip.

PR>Did you try the trick about turning it over?  That would let the solvent
PR>run down between the shaft and the seperated part of the grip and go to
PR>work on the part that was still stuck.  When you say "half" do you mean
PR>one side or the entire end?

The entire end was still stuck. Then, the more I pumped, the  bigger
the  grip  bulge. I tried rolling  the grip and waiting, adding more
solvent, etc. etc. I let the club sit upside  down  and  right  side
up--it didn't help.

PR>If it's one side, try turning the club
PR>horizontal with the bulge down, then roll it so the solvent gets on the
PR>edge that is still stuck.  That's what happened to my klunker, too.

I did this--no luck.  I FINALLY figured out that MOST if not all of
the  solvent  ends up INSIDE the shaft itself (leaks through the old
tape right under the grip hole) and very little makes it between the
grip  and  tape if at all.  Note--I'm using a B&D Air Station for a pump
and being very gentle(I don't think this matters, but just in case).

I used naptha on one grip and mineral spirits on another. On one  of
the grips I cut to the part where the bulge was---(point F below)
and saw no real evidence of  solvent  that  had  made  it  there.  I
suspect it was only air pressure that got me that far.

                  Lip             -----------------|
                   --------------/   bulge         |
   -shaft----------              F                 |  end of grip
   ----------------     GRIP                       |
                   --------------\   bulge         |
                                  -----------------|

Having  all  the solvent leak inside the shaft itself seems to be my
problem.  I'm trying to be very careful not to  punch  the  inflator
needle  through  the  end  tape,  but  now  I'm wondering if the air
pumping is just popping the endtape and putting a hole in it.  If  I
could  just  get  the  solvent between the grip and tape rather than
just down inside the shaft, I think it would work.

Obviously,  I'm  missing  something  here in the  directions.  Sorry
to  keep  bothering you guys, but apparently I need some more hints.
This is too good a trick to give up on.

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From: jeffk@dosXX.med.utah.edu (Jeff Knell)
Subject: Re: Scotland Golfing
Organization: Department of Genetics, University of Utah
Distribution: rec
Date: 29 Aug 92 14:47:55

   I'll be in Scotland next month and plan to spend 3 days golfing.  Is
   there anything I should be aware of before I get out on the course (like,
   some things I should do or not do)?

   I do not want to be the "ugly, loud, etc." American.

   Thanks,
   Claudia Botner     ...att!druwy!crb


Be prepared to play FAST.  Every course has a 
marshal, and they take their job very seriously.

My brother, father, and two friends were playing
St. Andrews at what they considered a reasonable
pace, and no one was behind them.  The marshal
asked them a number of times to speed up; this 
really pissed off my dad's friends (these guys
are excellent golfers, and they don't doddle).


Could you imagine a golfer in Scotland claiming 
he had the right to play as slow as he wanted?


jeff

	"If it's not Scottish, it's CRAP!"  SNL ;-)

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