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From: Student Pugwash USA <uspugwash@igc.apc.org>
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Date: 14 Dec 92 11:38 PST
Subject: *Tough Questions: Fall 92 News
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TOUGH QUESTIONS
The Quarterly Newsletter of Student Pugwash USA
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FALL 1992 - SPECIAL CONFERENCE ISSUE
Visions for a Sustainable World:
Science, Technology, and Social Responsibility

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Article                               Author        Response
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Envisioning a Sustainable World       Tim Larson        1
Letter from the Executive Director    Betsy Fader       2
Weapons Addiction                     Ted Taylor        3
Reaching, Teaching and Understanding  Morris Reid       4
WORKING GROUP REPORTS
Development in the Developing World                     5
Health Care: Look, Listen, and Learn                    6
Energy Options: Embracing a Global Perspective          7
Ethics and the Use of Genetic Information               8
Peace as a Process                                      9
Educating Global Citizens                              10
Next Steps: Personal Plans of Action  Barry Lasky      11

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From: wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Social inhibitions to environmental change
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 17:27:46 EST
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley) writes:

> 
> In article <1992Dec12.235643.6171@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.
> 
> (much deleted about animal manure vs people manure as fertilizer)
> 
> >Does *anyone* know of *any* city that does a single-stage
> >processing on their sewage and then sells the resulting sludge
> >to local farmers?  Or even double-stage processing?
> > 
> >Fertile Blessings!
> > 
> >		-- radzy
> > 

Radzy, I've been watching this thread for a few days, interested in 
seeing what answers you might receive.

The truth is that most inland sewage processing plants haul their sludge 
to farmers fields or to state forests and spray it onto the land. In it's 
final stage pathogens are at a low enough concentration for this to be a 
completeloy safe and common practice, well within state and federal 
health guidelines. It's only the largest city plants mear rivers and 
oceans that dump sludge and effluent in the way you describe-- and most 
of these are older plants operating under 'grandfather' protections from 
current guidelines.

I can provide references on request, but don't feel this is important 
enough to pull down the books right now.

My own home town sprays sludge on local farmers fields as a cheap form of 
fertilizer-- they charge only enough to cover hauling costs. Boith the 
municipal waste authority and the farmers make out. It does smell a 
little funny, on the days that the sludge is being sprayed. But nowhere 
near as bad as the smell from liguid manure systems for cow and pig 
manure.

Later, Bill
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda)
Subject: Re: Who are we kidding?
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:14:44 GMT

In article <Bz3LMr.5vA@encore.com> aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich) writes:
>barry@netcom.com (Kenn Barry) writes:
>
>>	The past gives us every reason to believe that this expansion of
>>the middle class will continue unabated, given the additional wealth
>>needed to support that expansion. Oh, not fairly; exploiting space
>>doesn't guarantee fairness, it only encourages it, by providing enough
>>wealth for everybody. But being an imperfect species with an imperfect
>>civilization, I'm sure there will be some parts of the world that derive
>>more benefit than others. But more people, a larger percentage of the
>>human population, will start living in comfort.
>
>This sounds like trickle-down economics to me.. anybody else get this?
>Do I get this right? You believe that making the middle class wealthier
>is going to benifit the underpriviledged?
>
>al

Who else employs the underclass?  There are only three other options:  the
middle class, the upperclass, and government.  While the first allow the
underclass to conetemplate rising to a higher level, it is usually the case
that government will either just give money (welfare) or employ people in a
system where all economic and creative incentives are snuffed out.

Perhaps we should discuss the matter by answering two questions:
	1)  How should government help the underclass?
	2)  What makes one wealthy?

======================================================
 Teddy Kalivoda  ------------> tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu 
   University of GA Computing & Network Services       
     Inst.of Higher Education, UGA, Athens, Georgia               
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	"The sleep of reason gives rise to monsters"
				        (Goya, Caprichos)
From: hz225wu@unidui.uni-duisburg.de (Micaela Pantke)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Subject: To My Sister
Followup-To: alt.pagan
Date: 17 Dec 1992 11:42:50 +0100
Organization: University of Duisburg
Reply-To: hz225wu@unidui.UUCP (Micaela "Stayka" Pantke)
NNTP-Posting-Host: unidui.uni-duisburg.de

Hi there - Stayka is here!

As the time of solstice nears, I'm feeling even more sensitive 
than on other times of the year - maybe it's because I was born 
in just that night...

I'd like you to share something very special to me - a song for 
my sworn sister-in-mind who lives in Munich, rather far away from
the place I'm living in. 

(Note: Khat is a place of wonder and enlightenment in my stories.

           "Have you ever listened to
            the silvery sound of Khat?
            Have you ever looked before
            through the shimmering golden door?

            Maybe time or maybe space
            Maybe an infinite trace
            Maybe here or maybe there
            Surely Khat ist anywhere...")


----------------------------- CUT HERE -------------------------------

TO MY SISTER
(this poem is dedicated to my breda Kira Morgana)
-------------------------------------------------
by Stayka deyAvemta
(c) 1992/03/01

I have a friend around the corner
But she seems farther away than Silvery Khat
I have lots of people to talk to as well
And still I feel so much alone and sad

Why do you have to be so far away?
When I am lucky I can see you once a year
But 'cause our minds are linked as one
At least I can feel your presence here

Sister through all eternity
I feel our bond so pure and clear
I touch your mind and smile at you
Although you're far away, you're here

Beloved sister, I'm so glad you ARE
When first we met we recognized
We knew each other almost for eternity
And we were not even surprised

I don't understand something else
Why are there 'friends' you're seeing everyday 
And still you don't know them at all
They're here in flesh but far away

Sister in every time and space 
Parted in body, our souls are combined
We don't even need to talk by voice
With a loving caress I will touch your mind

Sister even in dream time's realm
You are priceless to me and dear 
Without you, I know, I'd be incomplete
Although you're far away, your mind is here

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Micaela "Stayka" Pantke  |    Bloodkin are forced on you -
Westhoffstrasse 111      |    bredin are chosen.
W-4200 Oberhausen 11     |    (Marion Zimmer Bradley)
Germany                  | 
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From: jnewman@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Re: Space, the final frontier
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:09:23 GMT

  Well, I think maybe it's time to stop being so planet-centric.  After all,
the powers we are addressing are those of NATURE.  The East wind is only an
aspect, not the entire deity.  Loose your traditions if they don't work and
replace them with ones that do.  In space, there are several other aspects that
evidence themselves-the planets, the moon, the Earth, the Sun, Solar wind,
gravity, etc.etc.etc...

  Do not restrict yourself to the way it has been done.  Remember, Wicca is a
fairly recent religion-before it were its ancestors that adapted to the new
situations that they encountered (like extreme hostility).  Mutate or die.

					Well met, friends.
					-Grendel 2.0

					
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From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Subject: Public Thanks...
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 23:03:21 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

...in the one group that would understand :)

I would like to thank my Brother Sun and Sister Moon and the fine dance they
played with Mother Earth last Wednesday (the eclipse...)
Eclipses have always been times of upset, but recently I've learned how
to better harnass and utilize the power that was given me- and this last
eclipse has been a time of great power indeed, and I wanted to thank
those responsible :)
r.
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: porta@wam.umd.edu (David Delaney Palmer)
Subject: Re: Happy Solstice/Good Eating!
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:49:16 GMT

In article <2B2AEE63.2820@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>Have a great holiday, and eat like pigs!
>
>See you all on the 29th!
>
>Love to you all,
>Janis 
>
	Oink Oink!


-- 
call david@cscwam,cville,wor,avw
 -  a quote here
From: ag055@yfn.ysu.edu (Ward Chanley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Nomenclature./Men are Not witches!
Date: 20 Dec 92 03:20:07 GMT
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net


Re: Warlock...

...means "traitor" in Old English, and 
is -not- the male counterpart of Witch.
Both Wicca and Witch are derived from 
the root Wic, which means to bend or 
shape.  As practitioners of magic, 
Witches/Wiccans "reshape" their
realities, and as such, the term is
quite appropriate in reference to 
male or female Witches.

The idea that Witch applies only to 
women comes from the burning times, 
since the vast majority of the folks
who were murdered for the crime of 
Witchcraft were women; the men who 
were also burned in the pyres were 
usually condemned not because of 
having worked magic or practicing 
pagan religions, but because they 
were homosexual (which, incidentally
is how the O.E. word "Faggot" [a 
bundle of sticks, used for kindling] 
came to be associated with male 
homosexuality).

I'm a Witch, thank you.

-- 
I thank the Goddess for my life,
I thank the Goddess for my loves,
I thank the Goddess for continued blessings.
     -- Z Budapest
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda)
Subject: Re: Sex vs. Gender -- Re: Witches on Gender Relations
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:04:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.061920.17470@wolves.Durham.NC.US> wolfe@wolves.Durham.NC.US (G. Wolfe Woodbury) writes:
>In <fWk3agN@quack.sac.ca.us> pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:
>>A'ight. I'll buy that too. But, I think you have to proceed with
>>caution, because if you put the field of opposites together, there is
>>no guarantee that you can reverse it. So, if you take the two
>>opposites of you and me and are able to perceive the ONE, then there is
>>no more *you*. By Hindu dogma, *you* vanish in a puff of light, into the
>>transcendent.

And is "vanishing" something we should strive for?  (or "simply realize in
the satori sense).  I would think that all pagans would completely reject
the idea of a monistic universe, where everything is really illusion and no
particular gods exists anyway.

Wouldn't ya'll agree?

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 Teddy Kalivoda  ------------> tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu 
   University of GA Computing & Network Services       
     Inst.of Higher Education, UGA, Athens, Georgia               
=====================================================                                                                          
	"The sleep of reason gives rise to monsters"
				        (Goya, Caprichos)


Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: alizard@pil
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Start again.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 11:29:23 PST

Re: Re: Start again.
 
> From: SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert Mathiesen)
> Newsgroups: alt.pagan
> Subject: Re: Start again.
> pert of that half may well be *way* below average.  What happens when a
> society has advanced to the point (by technology or by any other form of
> progress) when this sizeable part no longer has any skill (with respect
> to that ability) to contribute to society.  This sounds like a real pre-
> scription for disaster to me!  Should we start thinking in terms of (if
> you'll pardon a somewhat pungent way of phrasing it, for the sake of a
> quotable aphorism): "Jobs for the stupid!"?  (I mean jobs that satisfy,
> either in terms of money or something less tangible, for the lower part

excellent question.      Problem with it is that makework jobs are
extremely expensive to create.  A question I have about it is, do we
WANT to create new shitwork jobs to replace the old ones? And do people
actually want shitwork jobs?
blessings
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From: dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Social inhibitions to environmental change
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:09:05 GMT
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In article <fWw87M7@quack.sac.ca.us>, pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:
> In article <1992Dec12.235643.6171@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> 
> radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (T. O. Radzykewycz) writes:
> >But on the whole, what's happening for our agriculture is that
> >we pump fertilizer out of the oil-pumps, process it into
> >fertilizer, grow crops with it, send those crops to the cities,
> >and then pump the human generated fertilizer out into the
> >ocean.  What a grand cycle!
> 
> >It seems to me that the reasons are purely social inhibitions.
> >We can step back a little and say "Gosh, that chicken sh*t is
> >good fertilizer.  Maybe I should spend a couple bucks and get
> >some of it to spread in my garden."  But we can't admit that
> >human wastes would be great fertilizer.
> 
> Urine is good, but the high nitrogen can also burn if applied directly,
> so that means it can also be an herbicide. Feces on the other hand must
> be processed with care to avoid disease transmission.

I believe that most disease causing organisms are destroyed by the
heat generated in a well formed compost heap.  However, knowing what
a mess my compost heap usually was (after I turned it, even if I put it
together right in the first place) I'd be very cautious about trusting
any animal feces in a homegrown compost because I doubt it would reach
a high enough internal temperature.

There was also a reason for not using human feces in home compost that
had something to do with a particular disease or parasite (typhus? tapeworm?)
that needed a much higher temperature to be destroyed, and was only
transmitted between humans.  Any compost gurus out there?

Dawn

Joseph Campbell gave me hope and now I have been saved.
"Folk Song" by Bongwater
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Subject: sowing bags
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 15:54:25 GMT

Don't have a sowing machen then just get a hand neadle and thread and
sow with your hands. What Hand sowing a dead art? ops. I'm probly just
about the only one (out side of the omish ect) who's hand sowing is as
good as a mecheans. To much time spent inside because of asthma and the
temp, or polin, or humidity. Domage (how ever its spelled-cant spell in 
any languig:))

Elf-kin
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Subject: boi-intensive
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:51:03 GMT

Well, in Iowa, we have been useing crop rotation for a while (hence haveing
corn and soybeens for the main crops). We are useing trees and bushis as
wind protection (they are planted allong the side(s) of the feild most 
exposed to the wind, prevents wind erosion) and one can always tell when
the farm one is pasing is using natural furtalizer. A lot of reserch is
being done on increesing the number of plants that can suport nitrogen
fixing bacterial colonies as well, which could help alot.

Elf-Kin
From: ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Start again.
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:10:33 GMT
Organization: Kaos Laboratories


Dawn sez:

>I don't think that the problem is quite so much what do we do with the
>below average/non-techie person.  Most of the people that I know who are
>chronically un/under-employed are perfectly bright and talented.  They
>just know that it's easier to sponge off of someone else, or they never
>got over that there weren't any openings for rock star, or they have some
>emotional problem that keeps them from taking care of themselves.  I
>think this society churns out a lot of basically disfunctional people and
>also just doesn't value real work very highly. 
> 

Yes, there are a greater number of these types of people no than there has been 
in hte past. They are a burdon on our resourses as a society. So how do we 
motivate these people? Can we make couseling available and change the reaction 
to it to be non-stigmatizing for those who seek it? Is the concept of puplic 
mental health workers viable? 
	Probably not. IMHO, we are looking at the under-achiver generation. 
Years of TV and instant gratification have created a complacent group of 
slackers with short attention spans, very little ambition and few expectations. 
As you mentioned Dawn, the society does not often reward real work and as for 
creativity, it often smothers it in conformist doctrines, subtly enforced. So 
we have more discouraged, frusterated people than ever before sitting around 
doing little with the talents they have. There are the exceptions, jr yuppies 
and smiling happy people who never questioned the ideas that they where raised 
with. I don't think there are many of those reading this group. And the people 
who have drive and do things are there too, but their numbers are reduced. 
There are more slackers (no, not Sub-Genni) than ever before now. 

	So how does one motivate someone like this? How do we convince them to 
persue their dreams and make the future happen? After all, the coming 
generations are the future and they will be running things when you and I 
retire.

					- Ashley


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