HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lcheap@cac.washington.edu (Laurel Cheap )
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re:  Age to be left alone (was: The Schoo Didn't Fit)
Date: 13 Jan 1993 00:33:46 GMT
Organization: UW Computing
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: redx.cac.washington.edu

In article <C0rDF2.B7B@acsu.buffalo.edu>, oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:

|> I'm another one who was left home alone a lot at a young age.  
|> There were four of us.  My brother is one year older than I, my 
|> sister 3 years younger and my little brother 5 years younger.  
|> Unbelievable things would go on.  You name it.  I've heard about 
|> the same things happening in other homes with working parents.
|> 
|> From at least 6th grade on (how old are you in 6th grade?) I would
|> have to watch the younger two after school.  (My older brother 
|> would usually take off and play with his friends.)  They never 
|> behaved, or paid any attention to me, so it was a real headache.  I also 
|> had to make dinner, do the breakfast dishes, make everyone's 
|> lunch for the next day, throw in the laundry, pick up, dust and 
|> run the vacuum, plus take my turn at dishes.  So basically I 
|> would get home from school and work until my parents got home.
|> 
|> I hated it.  I still resent it.  I would never do that to one of 
|> my kids.
|> 
|> - Peggy -

Peggy and I lived in parallel universes.  I had a brother 2 years older,
a sister 4 years younger and another sister 7 years younger.  I was 
responsible for picking them up at the neighbor's house after school
(their school got out earlier than mine), bringing them home and watching
them until my mother got home (single parent).  They never minded what I
told them - even for their own safety.  I was responsible for what happened
to them yet was given no authority by my mother to enforce the rules.  I
hated it too.  I know my mother was doing her best at the time but I still
feel like I missed my childhood taking care of everyone else.  And like
Peggy I'll never do that to my kids.

-Laurel
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Laurel Cheap           University of Washington   lcheap@u.washington.edu
Information Systems    Seattle, Washington  USA   a.k.a. Brendan's mommy
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: disaacs@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (david.e.isaacs)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Baby Furniture
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:42:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

Only three months to go and my wife and I haven't really started to 
look for baby furniture yet.  Any info on brand recommendations or ones to
stay away from?  Also any recommendations for stores in the NJ area would be
appreciated.

Thanks

David Isaacs			If I said it, why blame anyone else?

PS E-mail responces would be prefered.  I'll post a summary.

Ok.... So I didn't major 
in English.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Subject: Re: Peg Perego strollers
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:13:35 GMT
Summary: reclining seats

In article <owens.726507189@gargoyle>, owens@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Christopher Owens) writes:
> In <1993Jan7.225454.7654@cs.sfu.ca> rozsa@cs.sfu.ca (Rozsa Eniko) writes:
> 
> > In some stores I came across with a Peg Perego stroller called
> > Milano. 
> 
> If you don't need foldability (i.e. if you don't put the stroller in
> and out of the car and if you have storage space) then folks around
> here seem to recommend the old-fashioned bassinet-on-wheels type
> carriage -- the large wheels can't be beat for city walking.
> 
> And, if you can manage to survive on front- and back- carriers until
> the baby is old enough to sit up, then you can get a much lighter
> folding stroller.  --- a lot of what you pay for with the Milano and
> competitors is the convertability --- the reclining seat mechanism
> that enables them to accomodate both infants and older babies.
> 
> 
Actually, we find the reclining seat great for older babies and toddlers
that have fallen asleep during the outing.  (Actually, that's sometimes
the GOAL of the outing ;)  )

We bought a Perego 8 years ago for our firstborn  (not yet 30-something,
and unwary that becoming parents would kick us out of the ranks of yuppiedom).
In retrospect, we paid too much because teh thing is so heavy and clunky,
I hate to use it.  Also, it's not all that maneuverable, partially because
of the weight.  My husband, who's stronger than me, likes it just fine, but
he's not the one pushing strollers most of the time.   I end up using my
second-hand Century most of the time, which is lightwweight, maneuverable,
and still folds backwards.

A couple things to watch for is the size of the carrybasket (the Perego's
was so small, a paperback book was all it could handle), and the seat height,
so that you can recline a dozing toddler without his head flopping over the
back.  And also teh seat width, so that a snowsuited toddler will fit into
the darn thing (also something to watch for with car seats -- we haven't
liked our Gerry Guardian in the winter for this reason).
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich
Xref: sparky misc.kids:31651 alt.atheism:25132
From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 12:40:21 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom) writes:
> In article <house.726207961@helios>, house@helios.usq.EDU.AU (ron house) writ
> |> mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes:
> |> >Tell me Mark, have you ever had an SO with pierced ears? And if so,
> |> >did you refer to them as "mutilated"? 
> |> >By the logic you post above, I'm certain you should have....
> |> 
> |> Well I for one do!  But what people do to their _OWN_ ears is their _OWN_
> |> business!  Ditto for all other self-mutilation, and anti-ditto for all
> |> mutilation of other people without their consent.
> 
> Sorry, but in America, or at least in Connecticut,
> the custom is to do this to young children, especially young girls.
> 
> My wife's friend's one-year-old daughter has been pierced.

Well, I oppose such mutilation without consent just as I oppose circumcision
without consent.  And I'm sure Ron does too.

> The custom appears as bizarre to me as my son's circumcision
> presumably appears to you.

Yes.  I say let's eliminate both customs.


mathew

Xref: sparky misc.kids:31425 soc.men:22109 alt.atheism:24883 alt.sex.wizards:4204
From: markg@county.lmt.mn.org (Mark Gilbert)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:43:03 GMT
Organization: LaserMaster R&D, Minneapolis, MN  USA

In article <1992Dec27.173429.5492@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:

stuff deleted

>Someone mentioned that there is some very small, but non-zero, number of
>circs that end up in mutilation or death, and that's their reason for not
>doing it.  Fine.

.. stuff deleted

All circumcision is mutiliation.  When some African culture that we don't 
understand takes a ceremonial knife to the human body, we appropriately call 
it "ritual mutilation."  Why not use the same words for our own rituals?

Mark Gilbert
From: ramsey@sundance.llnl.gov (Susanne B. Ramsey)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Preventative Antibiotics
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:55:50 GMT
Organization: Magnetic Fusion Energy - LLNL

I just returned from the 1yr well baby check-up with my son and he has his 6th
ear infection.  The Dr said that if we can get him healthy that they would
like to try 3 mos of preventative  antibiotics.  I know when I started reading
this group a few weeks ago that I saw a thread on this topic.  If someone
saved this could they email it to me or repost it here - OR if you have had
dealings with this type of treatment I would like to hear your views.  

I am concerned on the long term effects - does being on antibiotics for this 
long leave Cameron open to other illnesses.  Is one antibiotics better than
another for this type of treatment.

Thanks in advance - 

Susanne Ramsey
Mom to Cameron James (1yr 4days)

ramsey@sundance.llnl.gov

		My opinions are MY OPINIONS and NOT LLNLs 
--
  .^.^.  Susanne B. Ramsey	     Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
 . o o . 7000 East Avenue L-630	  |  (510) 423-9530
 .>>v<<. Livermore Ca 94550	  |  ramsey@sundance.llnl.gov
 _mm.mm_____________________________________________________________________
From: cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham)
Subject: Part-time work survey
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Organization: University Advancement, University of Calif., Irvine
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:42:48 GMT

I'd like to take a survey of how many of the misc.kids 
parents are working part-time (less than 40 hrs/week)
in the office.  This includes those who are working
full-time, but part of that time from home.

1.  What is your work schedule (in general).  
2.  What are your childcare arrangements (e.g., center-based care
    3 days/week, live-out nanny in the mornings)?  
3.  Was this a part-time position when you took the job, or 
    did it evolve into one?
4.  Does your job include benefits (medical insurance, etc.)?

I'll summarize and post the results in a couple of weeks.

Thanks in advance!

- Cindy Windham
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: larryk@cton.com (Larry Kollar)
Subject: Re: Biting :-(
Organization: Computone Corporation
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 23:25:03 GMT


Best, of course, is to convince the biter not to do it in the first place.  

Over the holidays, a nephew of mine (Jonathon, 2.5 YO and a biter) was being 
obnoxious.  By my in-laws' unspoken family convention, the adult most 
convenient to the action takes care of the problem and that was me since 
whatever it was (I forget!) happened right next to the chair where I was 
sitting.

I got Jonathon's attention and scolded him.  He glared at me (if looks could 
maim, I'd be in a several pieces :-), then grabbed my arm and opened his 
mouth.  As his teeth got about 1" from me, I told him "You *really* don't 
want to do that."  His teeth actually made contact, but he could tell I was 
serious and refrained from chomping me after thinking about it for a few 
seconds.

I only wish that worked with kids vs. kids... you have to be in a position 
of authority to pull it off.  He bit one of my kids while I was there, but 
not while I was around.  (Funny part was, both of my kids are a good bit 
bigger than him & we told them not to bully Jonathon, then he was pretty 
mean to them.  Maybe we'll let nature run its course next time. :-)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: root@metis.tti.com (Operator)
Subject: Re:  Braxton-Hicks Contractions
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:27:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.180649.2839@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.170744.5907@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>>
>>  I'm about 28-weeks pregnant and have unexplained contractions
>>  that don't hurt whenever I walk around, stand-up from sitting,
>>  pick up my son, etc.  I wonder if they're Braxton-Hicks
>>  or something worse.

>Yep. Sounds like Braxton Hicks Contractions to me. I did have them in my 
>first pregnancy, but not that bad or frequent. I get them all the time now.
>I have heard they are more severe in subsequent pregnancies. 

My wife Ellen also has had much stronger B-H contractions this time
around (her second), and was told that this is normal.  Look at it this
way: your uterus will be REALLY strong when the moment comes!

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re:  Braxton-Hicks Contractions
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:06:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.170744.5907@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>
>  I'm about 28-weeks pregnant and have unexplained contractions
>  that don't hurt whenever I walk around, stand-up from sitting,
>  pick up my son, etc.  I wonder if they're Braxton-Hicks
>  or something worse.  I've quit the fitness center since there
>  is no purpose in running on the treadmill if I can't even
>  walk down the hall without tightening.  I didn't get this
>  in my last pregnancy, so I'm wondering if it is normal
>  and that other people also have frequent painless tightening
>  (or contractions) at this stage.  Thanks!

Yep. Sounds like Braxton Hicks Contractions to me. I did have them in my 
first pregnancy, but not that bad or frequent. I get them all the time now.
I have heard they are more severe in subsequent pregnancies. 

Laura Floom
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: **NEW MOMMY NEEDS HELP!!**
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:03:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.205042.24596@nwnexus.WA.COM> jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle) writes:

>While this information sounds really good, and I'm sure that it is accurate,
>(except that I take exception to the part about helping lose the weight)

Women *tend* to lose the weight faster when they breastfeed.  Like
just about anything else, there are no guarantees.

>There's one thing that you should consider...your babys CHOICE ina ll this.
>I nursed my first extremely successfully, loved it (convenient, immunities, and
>all that great stuff--didn't help lose the weight at all) however, my second
>had OTHER ideas.  He did NOT like the breast.  He fought it and cried every
>step of the way.  After less that two weeks I just had to give it up.  I
>cried for two days.

That must have felt awful.  I'm sure you did the best you could; you
just had a difficult baby.  Did you get any help from La Leche League
or other lactation consultants?  Not to criticize you, but to advise
other women who may find themselves in a similar situation: the
techniques of breastfeeding, and especially of dealing with problems,
do not all come naturally.  It doesn't mean there's anything wrong with
you or your child if things don't go well.  There is a lot of help
available out there; take advantage of it.

>He took to the bottle with absolutely no problem and while
>bottle-feeding isn't as convenient as breast- it's a damn sure sight better
>than putting up with a baby who doesn't want the breast.

Most babies will in fact prefer a bottle; it's just plain easier to
suck out of.  The volume of a mother's letdown rarely comes close
to the volume of formula in a bottle, and the letdown is the only part
of the breastmilk that the baby does not have to work for.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com (Jeff Jackson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to protect your family from the State
Date: 6 Jan 93 09:54:17
Organization: I would rather be windsurfing.
	<1993Jan5.155852.2304@relay.nswc.navy.mil>
	<1993Jan5.204359.28451@ttinews.tti.com>
	<1993Jan5.205931.4471@ttinews.tti.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com
In-reply-to: reid@metis.tti.com's message of Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:59:31 GMT

> Well, there's teaching the Bill of Rights, and then there's teaching
> what you think it means.

This is why I think rote memorization is a good thing, in spite of the
suggestion of memorizing it being decried as bad by some others.

> "Well, the first amendment doesn't REALLY mean that you can print or
> say anything you want.  It doesn't apply to things that are obscene or
> inflamatory.  The government can decide what is or isn't fit to print."

This rang a bell.  I seem to remember something about yelling "Fire!"
in a crowded theatre.  Maybe we did spend some time on it.  It
certainly left a lasting impression on me!  NOT!  My point is, I don't
think spending only one or two class periods on the subject of the
constitution, and especially those amendments that spell out our
rights (1-10 plus a few others) does them justice.  They are something
that should be drilled into kids verbatim (as you point out, its too
easy otherwise to dismiss what they say and teach what they "mean")
all through school.


--
============================================================================
Jeffrey Glen Jackson  _|_Satan jeered, "You're dead meat Jesus, I'm gonna
jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com |     bust you up tonight."
x5120                  | Jesus said, "Go ahead, make my day."
                   ~~~~~~~~~ -- Carman, "The Champion"
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
My parents gave me a cold for Christmas.  What did you get?
From: dudding@sallyride.crd.ge.com (Kate Dudding)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: New Sleep Question: Please Help
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:27:50 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center



Sorry for previous empty message. Something went haywire when I sent this before.

Perhaps this will help.

When my son was about 2 1/2, he woke up, ready to start the day,
Thursday a.m. at 5:00, then Friday a.m. at 4:00 -- a horrifying trend!!  

SO I explained to him that when Daddy and I wake up and it's still dark outside, 
we roll over and go back to sleep.  The next morning (Sat.), he ran into our
room at 6:00, pulled the shade from the window, and cheerfully
announceed, "It's DAY!"  I've forgotten who got up with him to share
this experience...

Good luck.

-- 
Kate Dudding                                   dudding@crd.ge.com
GE Corporate Research and Development
Bldg. KW, Room C315
PO Box 8, Schenectady, NY 12301                (518) 387-7164
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: episiotomy study
Date: 6 Jan 1993 17:27:45 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.gps.caltech.edu
Summary: throwing babies out with bathwater?

In article <1iesgnINNs05@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cn262@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cindy Carpenter) writes:
>
>According to the blurb in _Mothering_, the study involved 1,050 birthing
>women and showed that the episiotomy procedure "proved of no value in
>the prevention of perineal tearing, caused no difference in birth
>outcomes (all the women had healthy babies), shortened the second stage
>of labor by nine minutes (not statistically significant), and failed to
>contribute to the 'enhancement of sexual functioning' after birth. 

I have no problems with this study, except for one thing.  During my last
delivery, the heartrate was dropping enough to make the midwife concerned.
She finally opted for an episiotomy, something she apparently rarely did,
to speed things up (I ended up pushing for all of 10-15 minutes). 
My 9 lb 14 oz baby emerged with the cord wrapped around his neck twice,
after a few tense minutes of shoulder dystocia.  I.e., his shoulders were
stuck after his head emerged, at which point he was getting little or no
oxygen.   9 minutes may not sound like much, but it can make all the 
difference in the world.  The point is that, like so many backlash movements
against unwise medical practices, there is a danger in going overboard
with the backlash.  

Sue  
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mwalker@taimyr.Colorado.EDU (Marilyn Walker)
Subject: Re: Sleep Question (Please no Ferber)
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:12:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.192312.25339@cbnews.cb.att.com> klj@cbnews.cb.att.com (karen.l.carr) writes:

[stuff on Ferber and sleep deleted]
>
>I also see a contradiction in the "hungry at night is learned" argument.
>Those of us with eating disorders are often told its because we don't eat
>when we are hungry.  BUT these same people are being told to not feed their
>babies when they are hungry, but when it is "appropriate".  Alison wakes up
>to eat because she is HUNGRY most of the time.  Since she started crawling
>and thereby started eating more at meals, she is doing this less, but often
>she will go through 6-8 oz of formula when she wakes up.  I would rather
>teach her to eat more during the day IF SHE IS HUNGRY, instead of
>withholding food which could be the start of an eating disorder.
>
>Besides, tell all those pregnant women not to eat in the middle of the
>night when they are hungry -- what's the difference?  What makes that such
>an exception to this rule people have taken as gospel?
>
[more stuff deleted]
>	Karen  
>	  (Mom to Alison, 8 months today!)

I have the same question.  I don't know that I disagree, just that when I
read this it made no sense to me.  In one book I even saw a statement to the
effect, "Many parents think that to feed on demand means to feed whenever
the child asks."  Well how else you would you interpret that?  I fed on demand,
sometimes almost for hours on end in the earliest days.  So far the results
are a good milk supply and a contented baby.  It has tapered off, and in fact
we have even had a few 7 hour nights.  It makes no sense to me at all that
babies only eat in the night because they have "learned" to do so.  I know that
I do best when I follow my stomach.  Some days I can get through until lunch,
and others I just must have something by as early as 10 AM.  

I am not saying that there are not cases where babies are eating excessively
in the night, only that I would think these would be the exception rather than
the rule.  It seems like often we read books such as Ferber, meant to be used
in the case of a genuine problem, and suddenly see that our normal, healthy
children are not following the rules!  But I would be glad to hear your
opinions to the contrary.  Daniel is only two months old, so I have not yet
had any experiences of trying to change his eating or sleeping patterns.

Marilyn Walker
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Subject: Re: Booooo, Tyco!
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:05:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.142842.23296@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, andy rogers <rogers@ial3.jsc.nasa.gov> writes:
> In article <x5_3ss_@rpi.edu> Chris Nelson, nelsonc@colossus.cs.rpi.edu writes:
> When i was a kid, i noticed how cheesy Tyco toys were, especially for the
> cost. The only Tyco toys in my house now for my kids have been gifts from
> people outside the house.
> 

But they do make nice Pre-School Size SuperBlocks that are
just as nice as DUPLOs and a LOT cheaper.  (Though there
regular-size SuperBlocks don't seem quite as nice as LEGO bricks).
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich
Newsgroups: misc.kids