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From: bublitz@fraser.sfu.ca (Martin Harald Bublitz)
Subject: Re: Canucks-Fergus agreement
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:26:34 GMT

epritcha@s.psych.uiuc.edu (eVAn priTCHarD) writes:

>Gary_Ponting@mindlink.bc.ca (Gary Ponting) writes:

>>The canucks and Tom Fergus have come to agreement at last. The details of the
>>deal were not released. Fergus was one of three free agents that the canucks
>>had to sign. They've already lost Igor Larinonv to a Swedish Team and Kirk
>>McLean remains unsigned.

>I believe Larionov went to a SWISS team, not a Swedish team.  

>=================== 
>Evan Pritchard ---- Number 1, 3, 4, 2 or 19, depending on the hockey pool  
>Winner of the rec.sport.hockey trivia competition :-)  

>epritcha@psych.uiuc.edu  [alternatively  EVAN33@uiucvmd.bitnet ] 

Also, Kirk McLean has decided "in essence" to sign with the Canucks, but are
still as of yet determining the salary with the Veniza Trophy runner-up.
 
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From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Bowman says No!(USA Today WAS wrong!)
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 00:17:32 GMT

In <1992Aug17.225804.21631@adobe.com>, Sherri Nichols writes:

>>Nope, this isn't what happened.

>>The city of San Jose was interested in attracting an expansion NHL team.
>>Howard Baldwin was interested in owning an NHL team.  San Jose signed a
>>deal with Baldwin that he would the rights to San Jose; they wouldn't do a
>>deal with anybody else seeking a team (like the Tampa Bay area, which had
>>two competing offers).

>>Then, after the NHL has announced the intent to expand, but before they've
>>started taking applications, the Gunds, who owned the North Stars,
>>announce that they want to move the North Stars to Oakland.  San Jose isn't
>>pleased, Baldwin isn't pleased, Minnesota isn't pleased, and the NHL isn't
>>pleased.  So a deal is worked out.  The Gunds will get an expansion team in
>>San Jose a year ahead of schedule, Baldwin will buy the North Stars, the
>>North Stars will stay in Minnesota, and the Gunds will get to raid the
>>North Stars farm system.  However, Baldwin doesn't have the financial
>>backing to swing it alone, so he brings in Norm Green.  Eventually, he and
>>Green disagree, Green buys out Baldwin, and then later, Baldwin pulls
>>together the financial backing to buy the Pens from DeBartolo.

Well, fair enough.  I didn't feel like filling in the entire story, though the
picture is certainly clearer for those who hadn't heard the situation.  The
point is that it was primarily Baldwin who initiated the process that landed
an NHL team in San Jose.  And he did wind up in Pittsburgh after a stop in
Minnesota, but that doesn't change my opinion of him.

And I'll guarantee you that the folks in Minnesota are glad Baldwin left...
judging by the reaction I saw in the '91 Stanley Cup final, Norm Green was
practically revered up there.  Far more than I can say for Baldwin...

But thanks for setting the record straight.  My details were a bit foggy, and
I only recalled an initial effort by Baldwin resulting in ownership by the
Gunds and Baldwin going to Minnesota.

Tim Irvin  j056600@lmsc5.is.lmsc.lockheed.com
*************************************************************************
St. Petersburg:  Just say no.
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From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Adams division Analysis and Predictions
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:54:52 GMT

Ooops, I made a mistake in part of my analysis...


>Montreal Canadiens
>------------------

>                                                        The Canadiens
>did finish first in the league last season, and they did so with
>a young defense corps. (The defense should get better with experience.)
>        
What I meant to say was that the Canadiens finished first in their
DIVISION last season. (It was the Rangers who finished first in the
league.)

Sorry... Please hold off the flames.

Organization: Senior, IM - MCS/CIT Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:36:21 -0400 
From: Pravin Devineni Ratnam <pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Craig Patrick, Bowman, Pens


Craig Patrick has screwed up big time since last year in negotiations. I
don'ty know if he doesn't know how to negotiate swiftly or whether his
consistent prolonged negotiations is the fault of the ownership.

First of all, he gives Ulf Samuelsson $800,000 a year and then quibbles over
$50,000 for Bowman. He could have signed Stevens for nearly $4million
over 4 yeaqrs and ended up paying $5.5 million over 5 years for Stevens.
He made a trade where he should have gotten money or draft picks in
stead of losers like Wregget and Chycrun.

If he decided that Bowman was not the right ingrediaent for next year's
success, that's a different matter. But once he decided that Bowman
would help in next year's Stanley Cup campaign, he should have paid that
extra $50,000. If he wanted to save money, he should have persuaded the
ownership that they could start saving money by not paying those idiots
who designed the Pens' new logo. I could design a new one for a few Pens
tickets. 

He should have built incentive clauses in contracts of rookies like Jagr
to prevent them from building a case for any future renegotiation,
especially when he seemed so sure that Jagr was going to be a major star
one day.

.
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From: migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey)
Subject: Re: John Kordic (Toronto Star Article)
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:57:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.145830.29020@trentu.ca> pyacm@trentu.ca (A Colin Morton) writes:
>In article <2A8AD4FB.22032@noiro.acs.uci.edu> assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site) writes:
>>I believe Grant Fuhr had a drug problem for awhile and was suspended from
>>playing until he cleaned up.
>>
>Actually, he was suspended after he cleaned up.  The NHL dealt with Fuhr
>the same way they dealt with Borje Salming; both players admitted that
>they had, in the past, used cocaine, and both received suspensions for
>doing so.  

Salming's case was even more silly.  He admitted that at a party seven 
years previously he had once tried cocaine.

In Salming and Fuhr's cases, they were punished not for drug abuse but for 
letting their stories out to the press.

Meanwhile, Bill Wirtz was arrested for DWI but you don't see him punished
in any way, now do you?

-- 
Mike Godfrey			      "All we like sheep, all we like sheep,
Dept of Comp Sci, UofT		      "All we like sheep, all we like sheep."
migod@turing.toronto.edu			   -- Handel's `Messiah'
Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:17:34 -0400 
From: "James J. Murawski" <jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Baldwin a journeyman? (Was: Bowman says No!(USA Today WAS wrong!))


On 18-Aug-92 in Re: Bowman says No!(USA Tod..
user J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LO writes:
>In <1992Aug18.160951.26681@adobe.com>, Sherri Nichols writes:
> 
>>>But your opinion of him seemed to be based on an erroneous history of the
>>>process.  You claimed that he was a corporate raider type, and the history
>>>doesn't support this.
> 
>Actually, my understanding of the episode was distorted because I had
forgotten
>the chapter about the threatened move to Oakland.  Anyway, Baldwin hasn't
>shown himself to be someone who wants to latch on to a team and stay there.
>Perhaps I'm being a bit too judgmental, but I based my opinions on what I have
>heard and observed, and from comments by people who know more about the man
>than I do.  History *will* show Baldwin as a journeyman--at least to date.
>He has *appeared* to be after a quick buck.  He may prove me wrong someday...

I suppose Baldwin was a "journeyman" during his long association with the
Whalers, then.

====================================================================
    Jim Murawski
    Sr. Data Base Analyst               (412) 268-2650  [office]
    Administrative Systems              (412) 268-6868  [fax]
    Carnegie Mellon University          jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu
    4910 Forbes Avenue                  Office: UCC 155
    Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890

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From: coulman@cs.Usask.CA (Randy Coulman)
Subject: Re: American Hockey Association Re: Hockey-Sask: (SASKATOON)
Keywords: canadian broadcast
Reply-To: coulman@cs.Usask.CA
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:00:46 GMT

In article <hamlet.714327732@milton>, hamlet@milton.u.washington.edu (Mitch McGowan) writes:
>The following was on clari.canada.general this morning.
>Does anyone have anymore information?
>
>>	(SASKATOON) There's more talk of professional hockey in Saskatchewan.
>> The newly-formed American Hockey Association plans to begin play
>>November 1st with at least six teams. One team is in Saskatoon, four are
>>in North Dakota and Minnesota, while the other will be in Regina or Green
>>Bay, Wisconsin. Co-founder Charlie Hodgins of Saskatoon has been
>>involved in two other failed attempts to bring pro hockey to
>>Saskatchewan. But he says the difference this time is the A.H.A. has
>>arenas secured. The league says further information on schedules, team
>>names and owners will be announced soon.
>

There were a couple of articles in the local paper this morning.  I just 
skimmed them, so I don't know the details.  From what I read, they are 
saying the league will be better than the ECHL and CHL, but not quite as
good as the AHL and IHL.  Players will be paid $2000/month to play.  I
can bring the article to work tomorrow and give a better summary if 
no one does it before then.

Randy
-- 
Randy A. Coulman                |       ARIES Laboratory
                                |       Department of Computational Science
coulman@cs.Usask.ca             |       University of Saskatchewan
                                |       Saskatoon, SK   S7N 0W0
From: jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu (James J. Murawski)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Stanley Cup not engraved for 91-92 yet
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:26:22 GMT
Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Just got back from seeing the Stanley Cup.  The keepers of the Cup must
not have yet decided what to do regarding adding new names to the Cup.  The
Cup was only completely engraved through 90-91.  There was no new, added
ring with the 91-92 Penguins names on them, and the oldest large ring was
still on the Cup.

Anyone know if they've made up their mind on what to do with the Cup yet?


====================================================================
    Jim Murawski
    Sr. Data Base Analyst               (412) 268-2650  [office]
    Administrative Systems              (412) 268-6868  [fax]
    Carnegie Mellon University          jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu
    4910 Forbes Avenue                  Office: UCC 155
    Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890
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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Bowman says No!(USA Today WAS wrong!)
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:38:31 GMT

I should have known better than to print info found in McPaper.

According to the Washington (County) Standard Observer and KDKA Radio,
Scotty Bowman will not return as coach of the Penguins.  During negotiations
last week in Toronto, talks became heated and broke off over the $50,000
difference. (Bowman asked for $350,000, the Pens offered $300,000).  Bowman
then left Toronto to go to Montreal to be with his father, who is very ill.
No new negotiations have been scheduled.

Bowman is upset over the fact that coaches with far less experience and 
success will be earning more than he is.  Also, he is not pleased with the
way he is being treated by Pens' GM Craig Patrick.  (Considering Bowman took
a job he really didn't have to, and went on to win the Cup, I say give him
the damn $50,000!  He did Patrick a mighty big favor.)

It is rumored that Craig Patrick might assume the coaching position, because
Pierre McGuire has asked for permission to interview with other teams.  It
was believed that if Bowman didn't come back, McGuire was first in line for
the coaching job.  Patrick, who is playing in a charity golf tournament today,
was unavailable for comment.

Bowman says no, Pierre wants out.  All is not well with the Penguin coaching
staff...

Lori
Contact for the Penguins
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Bowman says No!(USA Today WAS wrong!)
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:28:27 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <oeXKnbq00WBOE2Ongr@andrew.cmu.edu> am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas) writes:
>
>People all over Pittsburgh are having big debates about who the Steelers'
>starting quarterback should be -- and we all know it shouldn't be
>Brister :) -- I'd like to see some Penguin coaching debates, grounded in
>common sense.
>
>It's fun food for thought.

Geez,I unsubscribed for 2-3weeks thinking that when I re-subscribe
that there would be some interesting topics discussed in this
group like the next national TV contract or lack of one. But I gotta give
these Pittsburgh fans credit for not letting Penguinmania die off on the
Net.

Penguinmania running wild thru r.s.h.!

Thanks for the smart food,Mom. It was just like home-made! I felt like
I never left my penguins.
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Subject: Re: All that fat
From: jcb (Jim Becker)
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:38:21 GMT
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To: nyx!canderso
Cc: postnews


   From: canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson)
   
   I don't remember where I saw this (newspaper, I believe), but guess what?
   They've found that people with low cholesterol (they mean LOW, like 160)
   are as likely to die at a younger age as people with high cholesterol.
   
this was in the New York Times this past Tuesday, August 11th. funny stuff!

   What'll they prove with staistics next?
   
"Bran, the silent killer" -- Sleeper (year 2025). :^) 

all  you have to do is wait, and the medical gurus change it's mind on
good/bad things... thank God the computer industry doesn't do that! %*)

-jim
--
 -Jim Becker / jcb@ncd.com   /   Network Computing Devices, Inc. (NCD)
From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Most number of medals!!
Date: 13 Aug 92 05:52:20 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Aug12.163832.22193@menudo.uh.edu> inde788@Elroy.UH.EDU writes:
>Does anyone know who won the most number of medals in following
>events. 

These are mostly guesses. Take 'em for what you will :)

>1.	Track & Field
USA, pretty sure.

>2.	Gymnastics ( Men and women)
Unified team. No doubts there.

>3.	Swimming   (Men and women)
USA or China

>4.	Diving
China, I believe.

>5.	Tennis
USA. They won 2 of 4 (womens singles/doubles), EUN 1, Germany 1, I believe.

>6.	Wrestling
Freestyle or Greco-Roman? Freestyle it was either the Unifed or the USA,
Greco-Roman it was the Unified team.

>7.	Shooting
Dunno. No clue. Spain?

>8.	Fencing
Germany or France, but I'm really not sure.

>9.	Cycling
Australia, I know won several, but I don't know overall

>10.	Canoeing
Canada would be my guess.

r.
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From: shralp@camelot.bradley.edu (Jamie McDonald)
Subject: Age-rule (Was Re: Kim Zmeskal)
Keywords: gymnastics
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 16 Aug 92 03:02:00 GMT

In <Bsx6nC.7By@world.std.com> htr@world.std.com (Helena T Robinson) writes:

>Kim's parents told Katie Couric on NBC's morning program that Kim would retire 
>from competition after the Games and go back to high school for her last year.  
	After reading a few articles in the paper and seeing Kim's
first and only chance at an Olympic (individual medal) go up in smoke,
I'm wondering if the age limit (currently 14) should again be raised.
	It seems that the girls (in this case) spend so much time
training and so on that they have little time for anything else.  This
observation I make from personal experience with a friend gymnast (heh
- try not to read anything into that).  I also have heard (uncomfirmed
or proven) reports that the training which the girls in gymnastics go
through impairs their normal growth and development.

	So should the age rule be raised?  Svetlana Bolginskia did
remarkably well (I think she was robbed on a few of the apparatus
medals), and she is nineteen...  Older gymasts *can* compete.  But
will the age rule just mean another year or so of training that robs
the kids of a little more of a childhood?


--
shralp@camelot.bradley.edu                      Jamie McDonald  <><

What color is a chameleon on a mirror?
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From: chris@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll)
Subject: Re: All that fat
Keywords: Speaking of fat
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:42:21 GMT

Les Earnest writes:
> The clinician expressed horror at my diet of ice
> cream, high-fat milk, and other colesterol-filled goodies

This all seems to be far more influenced by genetics than diet.  I
eat a relatively low-fat diet and I'm still up around 210. :-(
A friend eats a REALLY low-fat diet (those muffins he makes are totally 
inedible - my girlfriend called them "meadow muffins") but his cholesterol
is higher than mine.

I comfort myself with the thought that lower-than-normal cholesterol
is corelated with strokes...  Brought on by apoplectic rages directed
at brain-dead motorists perhaps?
--
Chris Moll                       (510)486-7891
---
"Blessed are they who Go Around in Circles, for they Shall
be Known as Wheels."
From: "jeff ruck" <jeff.ruck@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: new rules in olympics
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:00:29 EST
Reply-To: "jeff ruck" <jeff.ruck@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

-> As a Korean, I am really pissed off at this. Archery is a record
-> game, that is, just like shooting you get scores depending on how
-> near your shot has hit the target. That's why olympic and world
-> records are maintained. But this year they changed the rule so that
-> in the preliminary round, the best 32 are selected based on their
-> scores, and in the final round, they compete by tournament.

Wongyu,

As for the scoring procedure for Shooting, what would you suggest would
be a "better" way of scoring?  To give an example of a course of fire:
In Men's Air Rifle, all competitors fire the 60 shot course.  60 tens
would earn you a 600, the highest possible score.  After this 60 shot
match, the eight highest scoring shooters go to the "Shoot-Off".  A
match where an additional 10 shots are fired.  But this time, a laser
(or equivalent device) is used to score how `perfect' the shot is.
Thus, the highest possible single shot is a 10.9 (a dead-center 10).
This way shooters going into the shoot-off who are a point or two
behind the leader have a chance of shooting a 100+ score.  Generally,
Air Rifle shoot-off's produce scores in the 102-104 range.  The
shoot-off score is then added to the initial fired score for an
aggregate.  This is very fair, assuming you've trained for a shoot-off.
 It's a lot of pressure, believe me I know!!!

The UIT has set up very specific rules for tie breaking.  There are a
lot of steps.  Generally, you take strings of ten shots, starting with
the last, and work backwards.  So if two shooters ended the corse of
firse with 10 10's you would go back the previous 10 shots to compare
them.

Recall, Launi Melli in '88 was in medal contention going into the
shoot-off, and she `dropped' to 7th (???) place in the final standings.
A big disappointment. . .  at least she redeemed herself this Olympics
and earned the Gold.  When I first met her, she was `disgruntled' about
what happened in '88.

   --Jeff
--
Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA

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From: gletty@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Bruce Gletty)
Subject: Re: '72 Massacre
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:16:23 GMT

perl@dwrsun4.UUCP (Robert Perlberg) writes:

>In article <BsMs1B.5JC@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, gletty@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Bruce Gletty) writes:
>> The piece was indeed slanted in favor of israel fo the most part, but

>OK, let's see what we got here.  A group of nice Jewish boys and girls
>with no chance in hell of winning a medal show up in Munich to
>participate in some nice friendly games.  A group of Palestinian
>terrorists who sneaked in under false identities come marching into the
>Israelis' rooms with guns blaring and kill every last one of them.
>Yeah, I see your point.  It was all the Israeli's fault.

I fail to see where I said anything about the hostage incident being Israel's fault.
What prompted that response??
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: brand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert W. Brand)
Subject: Re: All that fat
Keywords: Speaking of fat
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:40:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.230545.24254@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson) writes:
>I don't remember where I saw this (newspaper, I believe), but guess what?
>They've found that people with low cholesterol (they mean LOW, like 160)
>are as likely to die at a younger age as people with high cholesterol.
>
>
>The list of causes was,... interesting.  It included suicide, homicide, and
>then normal things, like cancer, etc.  How do you suppose low blood serum
>cholesterol makes one more susceptible to homicide?
>
>What'll they prove with staistics next?
>

I just had some tests done and my total cholesterol was 135 -- one of 
the only things that seems to be right with me.  How depressing to hear
this.  I think I'll go kill myself.

-- 
Bob Brand
From: cadizht@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Horacio Cadiz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: that darned Atlanta Mascot
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:30:19 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

In article 3402@sdf.lonestar.org
>Ok, now that we've all seen the new mascot for Atlanta 1996, what is YOUR
>opinion of the Whatizit?  Quite honestly, my first reaction was "Gawd no!"

   My wife and I were expecting a Coke bottle as the mascot.  I'm glad it
wasn't.  
   Now here is my conspiracy theory.  Coke is the originator behind the
mascot and the name.  Recall that Coke's corporate HQ is in Atlanta and 
is the biggest corporation there.  It will surely capitalize on the 
Atlanta Olympics in its ads.  Note that the mascot's name "Whatizit" is
a question which begs the answer of "Coke is it!" -- Coke's slogan.
  Has anyone else seen this connection or is it just my imagination? B-)

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