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From: mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7 (possible spoilers)
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:23:29 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1993Jan24.052940.29838@midway.uchicago.edu> lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.215000.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Stunt Elk) writes:
>>	When Death met Capax, she said "You got a lifetime.  That's all
>>anyone gets."
>>	When Dream told Delirium they were going to see Orpheus, he called
>>him "very young".
>>	Thereupon, the meaning of the title is made clear:  All lives are
>>brief, compared to the Endless.

>Capax and Etain.  Everyone, even Orpheus who is of the family, is
>"little people" (he says whilst setting down his origami dog :).  But
>
>Because, it still seems to be a tale of the Endless, even if there is
>a bit on how they relate to mortals.  Due to the title I'd expect more
>emphasis on mortals than we've seen, if only to underscore their
>briefness and Endless' lack thereof :").  And, does he mean to say the
>same thing of the deities Ishtar, Faramond, and Bast?  It would seem
>so, I think.  Gaiman's portrayal of them is not immortal, at least not
>in the normal sense.

Then perhaps we're going to find out that the Endless are not as endless as 
they seem...

Perhaps by the end of the storyline, we will see the death of one of the
Endless...

My guess would be that it would be Destruction's death - how can one still
be Destruction when one does not destroy, and merely creates?  Perhaps in 
renouncing his nature he is commiting "suicide" and becoming something other
than he is.  We saw Delight change to Delerium, but can Destruction become
Creation?  

I guess we'll see.

-- 
"1. One Mind there is; but under it two principles contend.       
 2. The Mind lets in the light, then the dark, in interaction; so time is gen-
 erated.  At the end Mind awards victory to the light; time ceases and the Mind
 is complete."        - from _Tractates: Cryptica Scriptura_
From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bob the Glennlizard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Gaiman/DC Elementals
Date: 23 Jan 93 21:14:24 GMT
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <81147@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1759c@prism.gatech.EDU (Don Morris) writes:

>Swamp Thing: Earth/Plant
>Captain Atom: Quantum (kinda is/kinda isn't an Elemental. Pretty silly)
>Red Tornado: Air
>Firestorm (Martin Stein): Fire/Plasma
>Niaid [sp?] (Formerly Japanese Radical Environmentalist): Water

Naiad (as is in Gk mythology water nymphs).  My impression was that
they paralleled the 4 Gk elements, i.e. earth, water, air and fire,
haven't heard the Captain Atom reference before.  The Elemental War
was a pretty silly story, best left forgotten, IMO.

> I have _no_ idea where Red Tornado has been, although he has a robot
> shell again.

Why, hanging out with the JLA, of course :^) :^) :^)
So is Flametop, sort of.   

>lowered his power levels in Annual #3), and through a bastard rewrite by 
>John Ostrander in Firestorm #87 (which ignored previous history _completely_)

I must be the only one on the planet who liked those last issues of
Firestorm (for the most part).  But I only read the issues of the
second series that John wrote and the original series.  I liked how he
was constantly changing, a refreshing break from static superherodom.
And I am, of course, still the .net anti-continuity cop :).

>If you care, I have my own theory of Firestorm's origin I wrote up a while
>back that explains the whole mess in a way I can buy, I'll email it to you.

Read it when you posted it, it was ingenious.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"As soon as Roger saw the costume, his mind assumed the proportions of
 an industrial revolution unaware of the ecological damage it was
 causing"
   --- Enigma
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
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From: mwhatt01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Youngblood top 5
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:07:03 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Top 5 reasons to not buy Youngblood.

5 If you buy it, we'll make more.
4 We're murdering trees for this crap.
3 Quotes like, 
	"From unconsciousness you came and if need be to unconsciousness
         you shall return"

	"Funky threads huh?"
	"On my homeworld he would be dressed as a warrior"
2 Alan Moore Lives
1 If it's not Scottish it's crap!!!

If you have suggestions for rounding out the top ten be my guest.
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Re: Prisoners of Gravity (Part 2)
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:07:36 GMT

>I was talking again with a producer of Prisoners of Gravity, and he said 
>that writing to the show itself (saying you want to see it and it isn't 
>available in your area) is as good as writing to your local station.  I 
>said I'd pass on the address, which is:
>
>Prisoners of Gravity
>Box 200
>Station Q
>Toronto, ON
>M4T 2T1
>
>Last night's episode was about information.  The people interviewed were 
>science fiction people rather than comics people (I think they try to 
>alternate the emphasis on alternate weeks) but I found it fascinating.

Well, I am interested enough that I am going to try and start a petition
in the next couple of days to get the show aired here in Newfoundland
(anyone from Newfoundland who reads the net, email for more info).
Hopefully it will work.

However, I do need my memory refreshed. Aside from the address, I could
use all the information possible about the show. eg. Past stars, lenght
of shows, basic format, perhaps even the cost per episode. ANYTHING
which might be helpful. Thanks.

_craig
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*      #1 - To hear "Wombling Merry Christmas" one last time.         *
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From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: IMAGE et al.
Date: 27 Jan 1993 23:37:07 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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 > And I hated the letterer and the expletives in Pitt, but the art
 > was kinda nice. Just shows how valuable Farmer is as an inker.

Dale Keown inked PITT himself.  And the inking was the WORST part of
it!
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From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Subject: Re: BATMAN- P. Craig Russel!
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:14:35 GMT

In article <C16HB0.2IH@athena.cs.uga.edu> jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu (Ground Chuck) writes:
>I just wanted to second the recommendation for "Hothouse."  I haven't seen
>any of P Craig Russel's artwork before (well, actually I have -- he did
>Gotham by Gaslight, as I recall, but it didn't stand out as much for me.)

No, if I remember properly, Mike Mignola did Gotham by Gaslight.
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From: aw1s+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew David Weiland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:59:41 GMT
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"Pamela J. Bernhardt" <pb2i+@andrew.cmu.edu>  writes,

>1) Didn't Dream kill off destruction in A Dolls House?  He unmade the
>guy!  And even if he remade him, I don't think that he'd be fool enough
>to make him that horrible. 

You're talking about the Corinthian.  He also appeared in Brief Lives,
in a flashback with Destruction (where he shows his tastes) and again in
a scene around Dream's throne (which I think is another flashback).

>2) Why didn't Delirium go and ask Orpheus?  She is his aunt, and it
>would have saved Dream from doing it.  
>
>Also I really liked when dream said that ending the journey wasn't an
>option, the panel showed delirium.

I don't think that Delirium would think of asking Orpheus.  For one she
probably didn't know that he had become an immortal oracle.  For another
she has a hard time remembering what happened last week, let alone ~2500
years ago.

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From: jspencer@world.std.com (Jeffrey C Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: lsh #41
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:10:28 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

"donald simmons" <donald.simmons@canrem.com> writes:

>    Maybe one of the long-time readers can answer something for me. In
>this issue Alya Ranzz Jr. has the power to alter the mass of objects,
>while Alya Ranzz Sr. throws lighting. Why are their powers different?

Well, I don't have issue numbers handy, but I'll give this a shot:
Garth, Ayla, and Mekt had their spaceship crash on an alien planet.
Through a freak accident involving Lightning beasts, they all gained
Lightning powers.  Garth went on to help found the LSH.

Then Garth died.

So Ayla at first impersonated him to join the legion, then joined as
herself.  Then Garth came back to life.  Now, Legion rules say a member
has to have a unique power, but since they were both members, no one
made much of a fuss.  Then Dream Girl (in the issue in which she joins
the Legion, I believe) used technology from her homeworld to change
Ayla from Lightning Lass to Light Lass.  Lots of time passes.

Then the Legion of Super Villans (LSH series version 3) captures
Ayla.  They caputer her instead of killing her because her brother
Mekt is part of the LSV.  During her imprisonment, due to some
accident that I don't think was ever explained, she regained her
Lightning powers.

So the older Ayla has lightning powers, and the younger Ayla is 
taken from a time where Ayla had not yet regained her original
powers, and instead had the modified "light" powers.  The younger
Ayla could, presumably, regain her lightning powers the same way
the older Ayla did.
 

-- 
jspencer@world.std.com     * Jeffrey Spencer, Dartmouth '91
When I was your age we had parallel Earths and we liked it that way!!!
      - David Serchay
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From: sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Wayne A. Wong)
Subject: Re: artists who draw themselves
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: na
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:29 EST  

Jolly Roger wrote .... 
>In article <23JAN199322142083@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>, sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov
>(Wayne A. Wong) writes...
>> 
>>When I was younger, I always imagined Mike Grell looked like his version of 
>>Superboy from the 70's LSH.  Back then, I was a real Grell-boy.  I still 
>>don't know what "Iron Mike" looks like.  Maybe he looks like Green Arrow 
>>now.    :)
> 
>Mike Grell has done this with several characters. Green Arrow, Warlord,
>Starslayer, and Jon Sable are very similar characters. I read somewhere
>that he gave Green Arrow and the Warlord beards sililar to his own ....

But, but .... I was just kidding. 

 - Wayne.
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From: chrismg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (christian gadeken)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman - Bring on the C's
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:02:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: geraldo.1k1kgeINN5kf
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: dewey.cc.utexas.edu

Hmmm...

Dream:Consciousness  (I couldn't think of a different one, either.)
Death:Conception
Destruction:Creation (*not* Change, Destruction is a form of change)
Destiny:Choice/Chaos (depending on your definition of Destiny)
Delirium:Coherence?  
Desire:Complacency?  (is there a c-word that means "satisfaction?")
Despair:Comfort	     (Maybe.  A c-word that means "hope," anyone?)
-- 
			C h r i s t i a n  G a d e k e n

Yakumo: "But I really did destroy a monster in Hong Kong!
Saru  : "Ahem, ahem"
Yakumo: "Saru, do you believe me?"
Saru  : "Where's my Hong Kong souvenir?"
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Chucky
Date: 25 Jan 1993 14:35:11 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Following up on a post from last week, Andy Mangels says that Innovation has
cancelled the Nightmares on Elm Street titles, due to a combination of lower
than anticipated sales and problems with the artists meeting deadlines.  There
is supposed to be a new (three-issue) series coming from Topps later this
year, and he is looking into the possibility of a trade paperback collection
of Nightmares: the Beginning, which would include the unpublished third issue.

------------------------------
                             |     I heard gunshots from the kitchen, and raced
Jim Drew                     | in to find Sheriff David pointing a now-unloaded
jrd@frame.com                | police revolver at the refrigerator.
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     "I got it!" he said.  "I got the monster!"
"Innocent, but not naive."   |     I gingerly opened the refrigerator.  A week
B(2)h t c k g+(p) rv p e     | without power had left the insides pretty scary,
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | but I saw no monster.  I pulled out a package of
{opinions: mine != frame's}  | shot-up cheese, instead.
                             |     "I think you got the meunster, Sheriff."
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Broken Bokken"
From: khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC-Marvel "Crossovers" _A_ list
Date: 29 Jan 1993 05:14:15 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: camilla-50

In article <1993Jan28.121839.17120@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore) writes:

>I always thought the Original Doom Patrol was kind of a lopsided FF.
>Negative Man=Human Torch, Robotman=Thing, and they split up Mr.
>Fantastic's intellect and stretching powers between Niles Caulder and
>Elasti-Girl...

Actually, the Doom Patrol bears a greater resemblance to the original X-men.
Both had a disabled genius as a leader, both were teams composed of outcasts.
[ Unlike the FF, of whom only the thing could be said to be a "freak"].
And they both came out at about the same time. However, this was owing to
synchronicity. 

Abhijit
From: mwhatt01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Eternal Warrior/A&A question
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:51:02 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

>> Also do you think that D'artagnan is really a time traveling Archer? 
> 
> Not neccesarily.  Think of it as a special episode of A&A, with the "actor"
> who plays Archer also playing D'artagnan.  Check out the polaroid at the
> end of the episode to see what the real D'artagnan looked like.
>
He looked alot like Archer with hair (a wig?).
From: lecuyer@wam.umd.edu (Catherine L. LeCuyer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Rec.arts.comics.vertigo
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:25:55 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1993Jan26.164648.17842@psych.toronto.edu> michael@psych.toronto.edu (Michael Gemar) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.210941.5671@BofA.com> ross@BofA.com (Ross Lefstin) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan23.215253.13383@udel.edu> lintz@balin.cis.udel.edu (Brian Lintz) writes:
>>[Dialogue about r.a.c.m "cluttered" with Sandman postings & inappropriateness of
>>single-comic newsgroup]
>>>
>>>However, the suggestion a while back about creating rec.arts.comics.vertigo
>>>I think was a good one. All the _Sandman_, _Hellblazer_, _Swamp Thing_, etc.
>>>traffic can get off rec.arts.comics and cut it down some. I agree that
>>>basing a group on one comic is kind of ridiculous, but basing it in a whole
>>>line, sort of makes sense.
>>>
>>>Brian Lintz
>>>lintz@udel.edu
>>
>>I couldn't agree more, and I read all the Sandman, Hellblazer et al. postings.
>>I think that creating r.a.c.vertigo would answer the complaints of netters who
>>are fed up with the volume of Sandman posts as well as benefitting those of
>>us who follow the vertigo threads.  It seems that most of the people interested
>>in Sandman are also interested in Hellblazer, Death, etc.
>
>...and in Cerebus, and graphic novels, and other non-mainstream expressions 
>of the comics medium.  I think that a new group is needed, but to call
>it "rac.vertigo" is too limiting.
>
>- michael

Using  r.a.c.vertigo  is the only fair way of limiting what gets
posted of the newsgroup. Otherwise you'd have a big fight over what
is "mature". I think someone has already brought this up. It seems
to me that what the Vertigo titles have in common besides the "mature"
label is that they are about the supernatural rather than the superheroic.
Maybe that should be the designation? r.a.c.supernatural? It would 
allow comics like Spector, DR.S, and Mage (if we ever see it) to be
discussed also.
This is just a thought, r.a.c.vertigo would probably be simpler.
Cathy I don't have a clue either.
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From: daq@fc.hp.com (Doug Quarnstrom)
Subject: Re: Squadron Supreme
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:58:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SPUGE
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Mark W Modrall (modrall@world.std.com) wrote:
: actually a lawsuit from DC was very credible when you looked at
: all of the similarities... i don't remember all of the character's
: names, but they had characters that closely emulated everyone in
: the JLA at the time...
: 
: Superman = Hyperion
: Wonder Woman = ?? (complete with old hubbie = Steve Trevor)
: Green Arrow = Golden Archer
: Black Canary = ?? some bird name, complete with sonic scream
: Batman = Nighthawk
: Green Lantern = Dr Spectrum
: Hawkman = Captain Hawk or some such
: Flash = Whizzer
: Firestorm = Nuke
: 
: it was a pretty flagrant parody...

I suspect you mean plagiarism.

doug
From: birmingh@fnalo.fnal.gov (Phillip J. Birmingham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: artists who draw themselves
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:25:24 -0600
Organization: Deep Thirteen
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In article <930121200305.20418c1b@FNAL.FNAL.GOV>, MORROW@FNAL.FNAL.GOV (Greg Morrow) writes:
> albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:
>> [elmo said]
>>>	(Nope, it's not a good pickup line.  Oh, well.)
>> 
>> 	It's okay, Elmo.  But it's all delivery.  If you walked up 
>> to her in your trenchcoat (after rumpling it) with a day's growth of
>> beard, and a Brit accent, well, it might work.
> 
> 	Trust me, my trenchcoat is -thoroughly- rumpled.  But I shaved
> today, damn, and my accents tend to mutate spontaneously.  I did a Jamaican
> Scot once....
> 	Did I mention I was tall, with dark hair, a strong chin, and great
> legs (and an eensy weensy butt)?  

         Did he mention he's the Anti-pope?   :-)

-- 
 Phillip J. Birmingham   birmingh@fnal.fnal.gov  
 I don't speak for Fermilab, although my mouth is probably big enough...
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From: fscem1@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Where'd ElfQuest go?
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:55:40 GMT


	Does anybody know where ElfQuest has gone?  I don't
know if I haven't gotten Hidden Years #5 because I'm way
the hell up here in Alaska and it takes forever to get anything,
or because the issue is late coming out, or if something
has happened to Wendy Pini or...the list kinda goes on like
that for a while.  Our comic shop here got the HY hardcover,
but the comic itself has yet to show.  Anybody know?

Cheers, 
Catie
fscem1@acad3.alaska.edu
From: danfrank@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Grade Report: Justice League America #72
Date: 26 Jan 1993 04:50:19 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: bashful.cc.utexas.edu

In article <rawdon.727751541@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>Spoilers for JLA #72...
>
>
>Whatever happens, this issue is an exciting improvement over previous issues
>of JLA, which I think points up the fundamental flaw in the post-Crisis group:
>Without the various "big guns" of DC on the team, the Justice League largely
>loses its purpose.  This is why Dan Jurgens' run on the book, though
>essentially competent in writing and art, has been lackluster, and why the
>Giffen-Dematteis period, which was for the most part very poorly written, was
>basically not worth reading.  
Actually my view (and the view of others, I'm sure) is the exact opposite.
I had given up JLA until this issue because of Jurgens's poor writing and
bad characterization. I still don't see what people have against Giffen
& DeMattis bringing humor into the book. The promised humor in the
Jurgens run is bad action-adventure humor where a guy is thrown off
a large building and told to have a nice trip.
>
> Hawkman would have been the JSA's version,

Actually in _Hawkworld_ about a year ago, they established that the JLA
Hawkman was a Thanagarian spy. Personally I've stop trying to iron out
the contradictions of Katar Hol being a new hero and just not worry about
it.

-- 
:     Daniel Frank    danfrank@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu           :
:Moe's angry question, which always precedes one of his     : 
:violent episodes, is the question of all existentialist men:
:demanding meaning from a void, "Hmmm, a wise guy, huh?" The:
:only response - from the void that is Curly - is the tragic:
:"Nyuck! Nyuck! Nyuck!"---trend book quoted in _Spy_ 3/91   :
From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Stunt Elk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman Thoughts!!!
Date: 23 Jan 93 16:54:06 -0600
Organization: The Eekcidental Tourist
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arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Stunt Elk) writes:
>>	Thematically, Sandman breaks down to "All stories are true". 
> 
> Is the story "all stories are not true" also true?

	Of course.  Moore's famous remark, "This is an Imaginary Story. 
Aren't they all?", is as valid in Sandman as it was in Superman.  Sandman
tends to concentrate on extracting truths from stories, however.

> This question would of course only be a cute self-reference paradox were it
> not for the fact that lots of stories _do_ deny the truth of others, and not
> only that, this denial is a greatly emphasized, core part, of the story that
> cannot simply be omitted.

	You're trying too hard.  Stories are all true, but it is up to the
listener to decide what to do with the truths.  Sometimes, she will choose
the truth of one story over the truth of another.  A different listener
might choose two mutually contradictory truths, and he'll be as "right" as 
the first.

> Sandman purports to present a universal myth while doing nothing of the sort,
> and is based on fundamentally incoherent premises.

	I'm willing to grant more suspension of disbelief to Sandman's
underlying philosophy than you are.  To Each His Own.	
-- 
"It's time for Congress to tell the president to shove his veto pen up his
deficit."--Rep. Jim Traficant, in the House
  
elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov)