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From: grande@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (brad.l.grande)
Subject: Re: Vegetarian seeks biking shoes
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:19:15 GMT

In article <AD0834.92Apr6114101@eve.albany.edu>, ad0834@csc.albany.edu (Andy Dickinson) writes:
> Hey -
> 
> 	Ok... weird message title, but basically it describes my
> question:  Does anyone know of anyone that makes 100% synthetic
> cycling shoes?  It seems like almost all the shoes I've seen have at
> least leather uppers or trim... anyone have any leads on where to find
> non-leather shoes?
> 

Andy,

Be careful, if the synthetic material if derived from petroleum, it may have
been leather at one time.  Your best bet is to screw your cleats directly into
the soles of your feet. :-)


Brad Grande	WB0OYX
Another bike riding beer brewing kite flying amateur radio operator who
	still likes CD's!

AT&T Bell Labs
Naperville Illinausea
att!iwtil!grande
(708)-979-7853
From: kim39@husc8.harvard.edu (John Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Break Wind Like A Pro!
Date: 10 Apr 92 05:14:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr10.011410.10906
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr8.135500.13618@midway.uchicago.edu> keho@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>the other would pass and, you know, pass.  We rooled into our destination town
>45 minutes later -- we couldn't believe that we'd done 35 miles in 45 minutes,
>but there we were.
>-- 
>"Why my thoughts are my own, when they are in, but when they are out
>they are another's." - Susannah Martin, hanged for witchcraft, 1692.
>Thomas David Kehoe    keho@midway.uchicago.edu    (312) 753-0119

Wow!  That means only doing about 46 mph for 35 miles!

Guess that's why rockets use Jet propulsion!
-CaseCredulous
From: kpalm@athena.qualcomm.com (Kent Palm)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Clincher tire opinions sought
Date: 14 Apr 92 08:43:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

kpalm@athena.qualcomm.com (Kent Palm) writes:

>a slick on the rear is that when riding early morning hours, when there is
>still dew on the streets, the rear tire will slide a little bit before the
>front tire does.  This gives you a little warning of when to ease up on the
>turn instead of having your front tire sliding out. 

It is not my intent to go sliding around corners on a road bike, but if
I do break traction, which I have once, my rear tire slides first with
the Grand Prix mounted on the front.  When I had the Super Sport on the
front, I could feel it slide first, which is much harder to handle.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: pc@ALEX.ims.bellcore.com (Peter Clitherow)
Subject: places to rent bicycles in/around seattle?
Reply-To: <pc@bellcore.com>
Organization: Bellcore - IMS, Morristown, NJ
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 14:59:51 GMT

Anyone have suggestions for places to rent a decent bike, preferrably in
the downtown area (or accessible by public transit).  i don't want to
pay $25 a day, as you have to in palo alto... $10/day is around the max
i want to pay.

thanks!

PS, i take it there are no problems taking bikes on the ferries across
the sound, right?

peter clitherow, pc@bellcore.com, (201) 829-5162, DQID: H07692
bellcore, 445 south street, room 2f-085, morristown, nj 07962

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jim@IMD.Sterling.COM (Jim Nicholsen)
Subject: Experience with Opus III Tandem
Organization: Sterling Software, IMD
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:38:58 GMT
X-Md4-Signature: c2aa7cc06fbfbf466fe617db1514451c

As stated in the subject line, does anyone out there have experience
with the OPUS III tandem?  

My experience is limited to seeing three pictures of it, and having
an acquaintance say "I saw one on RAGBRAI last year"

For those with less experience than me (:->) the stoker is in front in a
recumbrant position and the Captain is in back in an upright position.
Thus both captain and stoker have a clear view of the road. Additionally
the stoker's power is transferred through a freewheel allowing independant
gearing for the captain and stoker. Thus it looks like a solution to
at least two cycling related domestic arguements :->

Thanks in advance.


jim nicholsen
jim@imd.sterling.com
From: timmins@ravel.udel.edu (Steve Timmins)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Yakima prices
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:01:47 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

This is an informational item that pertains to mailorder and local shops
alike:

I have been searching for a Yakima rack with SST II 48" bars and a dual
bike setup (SRL, with the front skewer mount and separate wheel forks),
locks, and a yakima cable lock.

List on this system was $360, including the clamps for the car ($15
pair).

Looking through Mountain Bike Action, the only adv Yakima dealer was
Bike Pro, who could deliver the whole setup for $305.  Similarly, Excel
in Boulder offered it for $304 (thiese include shipping) and the local
college town bike shops offered 8 and 10% off and had the parts in
stock.

I called up Dunbar, who deal Caonnondales at a discount, and within
about 45 minutes I had the racks in hand for $270 (25% off).  I paid
cash, and I do buy whatever I can there, but I was pretty amazed.

On my way home I pulled in the parking lot of a 7-11, ripped open the
boxes, and installed the system on my Honda.  That took about 25
minutes, assembling as much as possible in the car since it was raining.

Anyway, the box said "Made in California"

ramble.....


	Steve
.

-- 
Steve Timmins                                      timmins@brahms.udel.edu
University of Delaware - 
Computing and Network Services, Instructional Technology Center
Newark, Delaware 19716
From: bhilden@stelvio.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Taiwanese tyres
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:44:43 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: stelvio

In article <9204162128.AA04824@hplomg.hpl.hp.com>, BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
> Phillip Evans writes:
> 
> > In NEW CYCLIST 11-12/91 there's a report from a pair of cyclists who did
> > a bit of riding (35200km) and kept records of all the flats they had.
> > The hook bead rim comes in for some bad commentary.  The summary of the
> > article says in effect if you are a loaded traveler, buy good tires,
> > the cheap ones don't last; but they could not recommend any brands as
> > availability seems to change often.
> 
> I find that the Avocet ROAD is a durable and accommodating tire that lasts
> me for up to 2500 miles in the Alps, climbing large daily totals regularly.
> It has a sufficiently large cross section that it can absorb Botts Dots
> without bottoming, yet it has low rolling resistance and good all weather
> traction.  As I have posted in the past, with reasonable tubes I pump my
> tires before getting on the airplane, ride all over the Alps and return
> without ever adding air to the tires.

Just as another datapoint, I have had similar experiences with the
cheapest Performance tires(700x28 GT's), wire bead, no kevlar.
I might add that I have 10-15 lbs. of touring gear so I am not really
"loaded" by the traditional British "we have to manhaul everything
to the South Pole" kitchen sink approach.

My advice, by moderately cheap tires and tour with a credit card, I
think you will enjoy it much, much more that way.

Bruce
From: swayzed@brandonu.ca
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: QR seat posts ... thieves' paradise
Date: 12 Apr 92 08:09:30 GMT
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

I like the idea of a "Seat Leash", or "Seat Safe", ie. a length of cable with
one end bolted to the rails of the seat and the other bolted to the frame. I
saw one of these selling at the local bike shop for $5.95 (Canadian$). The cable
was less than 12" long. I made one, with a cable of 18" for about $1.20 with
parts from a hardware store. I live in an area where the bike thieves are
fairly amateurish, so this has held them off so far, although a decent set of
cable cutters would soon result in me riding home standing up. I am using 1/4"
diameter cable.

I should point out, however, that I have had two quick release bolts stolen. I
should have learned after the first incident. As a result I highly suggest that
anyone who uses any method where the quick release bolt remains should take the
bolt with them when they leave the bike. Just be sure to mark your preferred 
seat height on the seatpost. I suspect that kids with cheap K-Mart
bikes like to steal the bolts in order to make their bikes look more expensive.
So far I haven't lost the QR bolts from my wheels, but I suspect there is less
demand for them as one would require hollow axles in order to use them.

-- 
 
David Swayze        | swayzed@brandonu.ca    | Reading furnishes the mind only
Brandon University  | Canada (pokey) Post:   | with materials of knowledge; it
Brandon, Manitoba   | 56 Wilnor Bay          | is thinking which makes what we
Canada              | Brandon, MB, R7B 3H1   | read ours.           John Locke
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: scl@sasha.acc.Virginia.EDU (Steve Losen)
Subject: Re: Do clipless pedals hold tenaciously in an accident?
Reply-To: scl@sasha.acc.Virginia.EDU (Steve Losen)
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: uva
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:00:48 GMT

It depends on the accident.  I've had two falls where I stayed in
and one spectacular endo where I didn't.

I stayed in when I fell during a climb, so I wasn't going very fast.  I
also stayed in another time when I had time to brake before impact and
landed gently on a pile of other racers. (I don't seem to have any reflex
for pulling my feet out.  I just stay with the bike to the bitter end).

I came out during a race when the guy in front of me touched wheels
and went down just ahead of my front wheel.  I did a classic "endo"
and my bike ended up quite a ways further down the road than I did.

--
Steve Losen                     scl@virginia.edu

University of Virginia Academic Computing Center
From: jesnow@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan E Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Race results: Tour of Flanders
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:39:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr9.143935.28042
Distribution: na
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr9.023413.8750@slc.com>, marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie) writes:
|> Brent Seales (seales@stilton.cs.wisc.edu) writes:
|> 
|> > The 76th Tour of Flanders
|> > Sunday, April 5, 1992
|> 
|> > After the first hour of relative calm,  Jacky Durand (Castorama) attacked at 
|> > the 45 km mark.  He was joined by the Swiss Wegmuller (Festina) and the Belgian
|> > Meyvish (Carrera) and Roelandt (Assur).  The four riders profited from the 
|> > sluggishness of the peloton, and took a 22'10" maximum lead, at the 90 km mark!
|> > The speed increased a notch with the approach of the region of the small climbs.
|> > At the Vieux Kwaremont (km 152) the four riders still had a lead of 15'50".
|> 
|> > 1.  Jacky DURAND (France, Castorama)	       6h 37' 19"
|> 
|> 
|> I'm always amazed by races that unfold this way - letting a rider or group
|> of riders get so far out in front. I'm sure it happens more often than we
|> hear about, and the number of times the break wins is probably small, but I
|> can't imagine what must be going through 188 collective heads, not to
|> mention those of the team managers alongside, to allow a strong 4-man group
|> so much of a gap. Yeesh.
|> 
|> Maybe the pros should ride more like USCF 4's - chase 'em down as soon as 
|> they're 6 feet off the front.
|> 
|>     Marc San Soucie
|>     Portland, Oregon
|>     marcs@slc.com

	Those weren't "four strong guys", really, I'll bet none of them are
rated much more than domestiques at the level they're racing.  When they 
rolled off in the first hour, nobody took them seriously.  What was going 
through 127 collective heads was "When the big guys go to the front for the 
real race, I hope I don't die".  Fortunately for the break, the big guys
e.g. Fignon and Kelly didn't bother, and the ones who did attack, Van Hoeydonck
and Argentin, did so half heartedly.  I suspect they are holding back for the 
Hell of the North which is coming up pretty soon.

	Personally, I find it much more exciting and interesting when races 
unfold this way.  A tremendous gamble, a tremendous individual effort (at the 
end).  Boring races don't attract news coverage or sponsorship.  That's fine
with me!  Hooray for Jaques Durand!

	jon "I should be working on my thesis"  
From: khe@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Keith Erskine)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:52:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Question about Hyperglide chains and pins
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

In rec.bicycles, idelson@idg02.bms.com (Ira Idelson) writes:

> 
> I know the proper procedure for a Hyperglide chain is to remove any pin
> but the black one(s) completely and replace it with the special black
> Hyperglide pin.
> 
> I have a friend who does the following. He uses the cycoli rivoli cahin
> tool(the narrow chain model) and pushes the black pin out exactly 6 turns.
> This leaves just enough of a lip to catch the link when reinstalling it.
> He  pushes is back in exactly 6 turns. In this 6 turns you can hear a
> first click as the pin emerges out the back side of the link and can then 
> a second click a the pins "goes home".
> 
> He claims he has been using this technique for a number of years over the
> normal life of seven chains (on a mtb) with out a failure of the hyperglide
> link.
> 
> Any  and all comments on this are welcome.

I've been doing almost exactly the same thing for 2.5 years now, 
with only two chain failures in that period.  One of the local
bike shops does the same thing, too.  I don't use the black
pin, though, I just break and rejoin the chain on any link.  I agree
that the 2 tricks are to use the gold cycoli chain tool with the raised lip
to prevent the sideplates from bending, and in leaving a small section
of the pin protuding inside the chain link to hold the chain in line
when rejoining.
 
Of the two chain failures, one I fully expected - it was going uphill on 
our tandem after I had just done a poor job rejoining the chain, bending 
out the sideplate in the process.  The other failure I consider normal wear 
and tear, on a 1 year old chain that had been subjected to extreme mud abuse 
several times, including an *extremely* muddy 30 mile mtb race (1991 Winter 
Park Tipperary Creek stage) - it broke on a muddy ride on the Porcupine Rim 
trail at Moab.

A few weeks ago I decided to use the special black rejoining pin when
installing a new HG-91 chain on my road bike.  When I started doing
sprints on day, a link kept skipping, and when I checked sure enough
the black pin was starting to break!!!  I took it out, rejoined with
a normal pin with the process described above, and now it works fine.
I'll never use the black pins again - there's something about having 
plastic in the drivetrain that really disturbs me...

After having tried several Sedisport chains, I'm thoroughly convinced
the hyperglide chains shift better under pressure, both on my mtb and
my road bike.

Keith Erskine
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,nj.wanted
From: msp2@hera.uucp (27221-seda-poulin)
Subject: 19-INCH BIKE WANTED
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: nj
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 16:44:29 GMT

I'm interested in find a good second-hand used bike. 
I'm looking for:

	1. 19-inch frame (47, 48 cm acceptable)
	2. Racing or Touring Bike
	4. Trek, Cannondale or Italian Bikes preferred
	3. Good low gear
	5. In good condition 
	6. Simple bike with no frills (e.g., aerobars, clipless pedals...)

If you have a bike that fits the above description and that you are
willing to part with, send email to me (msp2@cc.bellcore.com), or
call me at home (201) 765-0515 (before 10 PM EST).
							Marta
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Marta Seda-Poulin				(201) 829-3168
msp2@cc.bellcore.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Kill a Biker, Go to Jail. NOT!!!
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 18:40:29 GMT

In article <34127@unix.SRI.COM> zzz@erg.sri.com (Michael J. Konopik) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.210303.22395@cs.ucla.edu> coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Coleman) writes:
>>[interpretation of the word "accident"]
>>
 [ stuff deleted ]
 
An accident is something that happens that no one planned on or expected -
whether it was due to someone driving too fast, or trying to find a tape
to put in the recorder, or the sun hitting your eyes wrong, or someother
careless act, or of some one who overdrives that situation, or in a car
they really don'tknow how to/cant' handle - whatever the reason (and this
list could go on and on) it was _still_ an accident - the person(s) did
not go out, get into their vehicle and say to themselves "I wonder who I 
scare or kill today"

here are a couple of scenarios:

1) I just heard of an accident that happened in MN last week - a man was
driving his car and somehow it went off the road into a ditch - shaken,
he got out of his car and was able to get a tow truck to help him get 
the car out of the ditch - they hooked up the car to the tow winch, the
driver got back in his car to steer the car out while the tow truck
pulled - the tow lball snapped and went flying through the windshield
of the car killing the man instantly - 

2) my brother saw a stalled car on the roadside and pulled over to help
the driver - he pulled in front of the stalled vehicle - he got out of
the car and walked around the back of his car - he barely made it past
the end of the car when a plow truck sideswiped his car, splitting the
side of the car open like a can - my brother wasn't touched

now I'm not supposed to believe in pre-destination, but when its your 
time - its your time....I'm just sorry that someone has to be the 
person who carries out the deed to execute the end - too bad we all
can't die in our beds...


-- 
________________       __        ________________   "They that can give up
\_________      \     /_ \      /      _________/  essential liberty to 
 \_________      \_____/  \____/      _________/  obtain temporary safety
  \___________________      __________________/  deserve neither liberty 
                     /______\                   nor safety."  
ALL disclaimers apply ....                           --Benjamin Franklin
	  
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: seales@stilton.cs.wisc.edu (Brent Seales)
Subject: Re: Race results : Paris-Roubaix
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:06:08 GMT

Ken Iisaka (the mad pianist) asks:

>  Did Greg LeMond use suspension forks this year?

I don't know about Lemond.  But in the color picture of Duclos-Lassalle
on the front page of l'Equipe, "Rock Shox" is visible on his suspension
front fork.

It's a good bet that the entire Z team used this equipment.

Brent

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mdbrown@bmera271.bnr.ca (Matthew Brown 1629309)
Subject: Mountain Bike Frames ???
Reply-To: mdbrown@bmera271.bnr.ca (Matthew Brown 1629309)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 20:07:11 GMT

Can anybody out there give me a run down on mountain bike frames.  I'd
like to know about materials, construction, brand names, etc.  Any
information would be appreciated.  Please send responses to my internet
address.

+---------------------------------------------------------------+
| Matthew Brown     Bell Northern Research      Ottawa, Ontario |
| mdbrown@bnr.ca    (613)763-8790         Dare to be audacious! |       
+---------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ileung@ee.ubc.ca (LEUNG ISAAC JING H)
Subject: Re: Vetta 20 cyclocomputer
Organization: UBC Electical Engineering
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:22:47 GMT

We have shop up here (Mountain Equipment Co-Op,Vancouver,B.C.), also carries bike stuff, has the
Vetta C-20 sittin' right there...

By the way, my bro' who bought a C-10 had the batteries conk out in like a month or 2
dunno if this is a freak occurence or what...

Isaac Leung
ileung@unixg.ubc.ca?
From: blais@milo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Kristin Blais)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: why the complaints?
Date: 8 Apr 92 07:15:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr8.071552.22064
Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii

In article <1992Apr5.124046.11874@phillip.edu.au> cbradburn@phillip.edu.au writes:
>
>My Sunday paper today came with a "free" booklet - America, Yours to
>Discover: USA Holiday Guide".  One of the gems in this apalling
>document was this one about driving in America (or as they say 
>"hitting the road in America""

In my experience people don't equate this expression with driving per se
"I've got to hit the road" is said at parties etc, means 
I must be leaving now- it's getting late. I use it in this manner
all the time and my only means of personal transportation is my 
bike. 

>
>	"American drivers are generally safe and courteous and
>	the roads are well surfaced, maintained and signposted"

NOT!! I learned to drive growing up on the East Coast. Drivers
are anything but courteous to one another even in small 
towns. Whoever wrote this has never driven a car in one of the 
major U.S. cities. Honolulu is the only city I've driven in
where I would call the drivers courteous. (We had a blackout
last year on the island of Oahu -all the trafic lights were
out for an entire day -no cops to be seen. I approached 
an intersection *on my bike* with absolute terror- this is 
a particularly nasty- one even with lights - that in 
which 5 streets intersect in a star fashion. When I 
arrived there I was absoultely astonishe to find each street
taking its turn as if the traffic lights  were still going
despite the fact that traffic was backed up for blocks About
ten cars would go then the next person in line would decide
that that road had ha it's turn and wave to the person 
at the head of the line in the street to their right. This 
would *never* happen in N.Y. or Boston!!!!) SO yes there
is one city where the drivers that are courteous,
However they couldn't drive properly to save their life. (As opposed to Boston
where the drivers are highly skilled  but incredibly
rude) However the person who wrote the above 
blurb wasn't speaking of Honolulu- a lot 
of the streets are not only are without signs the
one that have them often change their NAME in the 
middle without a new sign. Yes American drivers can be safe and courteous-
in Kansas maybe.

:-)
Kristin
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:8859 rec.autos.driving:2217 ca.driving:811 rec.motorcycles:12474
From: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Car vs Cycle vs Bike vs Ped--The Main Point
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:40:02 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Apr7.204752.14162@island.COM> don@island.COM (Don Hermes) writes:
>
>Driver Compliance to the 55 MPH speed limit on the freeway seems to be 
>about 10%, at least around here. Or are we only talking about laws that
>are defined as stupid by the people braking them ?
>
    About the only time I've even seen a 10% compliance is when
    there is a highway patrol cruising.  Seems even more true on the
    65 mph rural freeways.  

    It would appear that most drivers DO think the speed laws are
    stupid.  Most folks I know tend to obey the laws that make
    sense...and ignore the stupid ones.  

    And in your neighborhood, it would appear that you either have a
    90% population of sociopaths or your drivers also think the speed
    limits are stupid.