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From: usgehb@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Evelyn H. Buffington)
Subject: Re: Are there any quilters out there?
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:09:24 GMT

I apologize for sending this to the entire list, but mail bounced at Louise's
site....

Hello! :)
>I am a quilter living in the Annapolis Valley of Nova Scotia, Canada.  I
>would like to make contact with other other quilters and quilt lovers on
>the net.

>Louise Perrin 

You'll probably be interested in the quilt mailing list.  It is called
QUILT@CORNELL.EDU  This is a LISTSERV list (BITNET's list maintenance server
is called LISTSERV).  Anyway, to subscribe, send mail to LISTSERV@CORNELL.EDU
with the following in the body of the note:

SUBSCRIBE QUILT Louise Perrin

Leave the subject blank or listserv may reject your mail.

You'll get some hints on sending mail to the list, etc.  Best of all, you'll
be pen pals with about 180 (not all active, but that is the latest count)
quilters!  Once you've subscribed, mail sent to the list address will  
automatically be forwarded to you.  

-- 
Evelyn Buffington, GSU Computer Center,  Internet: usgehb@gsusgi2.gsu.edu 

Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: mvp@hsv3.lsil.com (Mike Van Pelt)
Subject: Re: otocinclus (sp?) in trouble
Organization: LSI Logic/Headland Technology
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:54:12 GMT

In article <5207@daily-planet.concordia.ca> rclark@alcor.concordia.ca (Richard Clark) writes:
>Masaki: Otocinclus flexilis is from southern Brazil, and it mimics
>Corydoras paleatus. This enables the Oto cat to easily paratisize
>other fishes (including the Cory.) by stripping off the fishes body
>mucus. It is also an avid plant eater (!). Grows to 50 mm SL.

This sounds like the infamous, dreaded "Chinese Algae Eater" that
dime store fish sellers inflict on unsuspecting beginners.

[list of dozens of _Otocinclus_ species deleted]

Which of these is the desired "Dwarf Otocinclus"?

>I wonder why we don't see more of them in the hobby (poor shipping aside).

Maybe some of them are worse behaved than _O. flexilis_?

-- 
Mike Van Pelt                     "I'm not a biologist, but I play one in 
LSI Logic/Headland Products        front of Congressional hearings."
sun!indetech!hsv3!mvp                        -- Meryl Streep
mvp@hsv3.lsil.com
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: bever@csd630a.erim.org (Dave Beverstock)
Subject: Re: (F) sick Synodontis
Followup-To: rec.aquaria
In-reply-to: ouyang@yoko.rutgers.edu's message of 5 Oct 92 04:57:14 GMT
Organization: Environmental Research Institute of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan
Date: 5 Oct 92 11:17:48

I've had great success with Clout used against ick.  It did not
disrupt my bio-filtration.

dave

--
Dave Beverstock   bever@erim.org
Environmental Research Institute of Michigan (ERIM)
P.O. Box 134001  Ann Arbor, MI  48113-4001 313-994-1200 x2239
From: rclark@alcor.concordia.ca (Richard Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: MAILORDERS- CANADA
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:34:27 GMT
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec

In article <15936@mindlink.bc.ca> Alan_Schianni@mindlink.bc.ca (Alan Schianni) writes:
>Does anyone here know of any aquaria mail-order houses in Canada.  I live in
>Vancouver Canada and wish to purchase through mail-order since prices here
>are very unreasonable.  Does anyone else in the area or in Canada have any
>experience with mail-orders?  Are the items of reasonable cost, even
>considering the shipping expenses +tax, etc.?

I know of no mail order places in Canada, except for a couple that
sell only 1 or 2 items (like discus).

I have mail-ordered from That Fish Place.  Since shipping is a major
component of the cost and is weight dependent, you can only get a
ballpark figure.  A 10 lb package costs about US$20 by mail.  Then
there's the new Cdn$5 fee that Canada Post puts on all packages coming
from the US to retaliate for the fee that the US put on Canadian
packages.  You can expect duty to be about 7% on average, with things
like activated carbon coming across the border duty free, filter
things costing 9.2%, and food around 5.5%.  You can find out exactly
what the duty will be by visiting your local Customs.  Note that the
Free Trade deal doesn't apply unless you have the shipper fill out a
special form indicating that the product was made in the US (good
luck).  On top of the duty you can add the 7% Federal Tax, and then
any provincial taxes (if your province hasn't harmonized its tax
system with the GST the federal gov't won't collect the provincial
tax).  Just be sure that you don't let Customs screw you, I made a big
order and they decided to call it all "Miscellaneous Plastic", at
13.5% duty.  I told them to take a hike, looked up the duty in the
books they have, filled out a form, and saved about $20.

Although I'm not positive, I believe UPS will be cheaper, but you must
add a Cdn$15 broker's fee - but the transport fee is less than by
mail.  The time I used them, their broker wasn't very specific, and I
paid more for duty than I should have.  I believe that you are allowed
to clear UPS things through Customs yourself, but that it isn't a
pleasant job - contact your UPS center.

Because shipping costs are such a big part of the cost, the best thing
you could do would be to have the goods shipped to a US address, and
bring them across the border yourself.  Barring that, investigate
carefully.  You'll probably save money, but not as much as you hoped
if you buy "heavy" things.

rick


-- 
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           (CIS 70272,3270)            |
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: jon@apollo.mcl.bdm.com (Jon Humphreys)
Subject: Wet/Dry
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 22:03:45 GMT
Organization: BDM International, Inc.

Does anyone know anything about the Biolife 55 Wet/Dry filter?  It's a contained
trickle filter that sits inside the aquarium.  Does it work?

--
From: snoopy@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com (Cindy Camp)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: (F) Peat
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:12:17 GMT
Organization: Denver, Colorado
Originator: snoopy@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com



Quick question.  My tap water is natuarally hard and I have been
thinking of using peat to soften it up.  Can anyone give me some
suggestions about how to use it, ie do I just put it in the tank,
or do I put it in a filter of some sort, how much to use for a 
45 gallon tank, and any other pertinent information I my need.

Currently in my tank I have a couple angels, clown loaches,
neons, and that one fish that I won't mention for fear of his
untimely death.  The reason I would like to soften the water is
that I am thinking about purchasing a couple discus and want
perfect water conditions.

The tank has been set up and rolling for almost 2 years with
one move in between.

Thanks for any help.


-- 
 Cindy Camp - Usual disclaimers apply   |  Just waiting for a good quote
 Martin Marietta  (303)977-9804 	|  or lyric right now.
 snoopy@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com  or	|  
 cnewell@azum.den.mmc.com		|  
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Mini Mandrin.   Any opinions?
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 19:18:12 GMT


I was considering building my own wet/dry filter in one of my spare 10
gallon tanks, until I got this month's Pet Warehouse catalog and saw an 
item called the Mini Mandrin for $119.

It consists of a two piece pre-filter, 1" bulkhead fitting, Dupla 
Biokaskade media, and helical correctec spraybar (whatever that means).
It is meant to be installed inside a 10/15/20L tank, and a pump is NOT
provided (as per usual).  It says that it is good for a 55 gallon tank 
(which mine is) and can be expanded to filter a 75.

I was wondering if anyone know how big of a pump one of these would 
require (as well as what brands are good/non-expensive ones).  

Also, does anyone have one, or know anything about them?  

-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
Bell Northern Research, Inc.
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: weka@polari.online.com
Subject: Discus, tail rot
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:10:58 GMT

My discus have been growing steadily lately.  The brilliant red one seems 
to have a difficult time feeding but although tiny, hangs in there with the
rest.  The brilliant blue is huge with bright blue eyes, another baby is growing steadily into a peaceful somewhat nondescript beauty.  The other red one beat 
the gill flukes (who came from who knows where) and is quite large, but tailless-the tail sneaks out and then disappears again.  Another, smaller blue has the same problem and it seems to be creeping to a third.  (Let's see, that's five fish)
Ah-the new one is still perfect as well.  So that is 3 basically healthy fish, 
two with tail rot, one with tail rot creeping in.
The ph is 6.0 to 6.5, ammonia none.  Temperature 85.  No gravel on the bottom,
pots with live plants.  They eat blood worms and beef heart (yum).
Anyone have any ideas?       
Thanks in advance!
Andree Hurley (weka@polari.online.com)
From: srs@oasis.icl.co.uk (Steve Strong)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: PLECO.NET.CURSE
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:58:39 GMT
Organization: ICL, Bracknell, Berkshire, RG12 4SN, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Chris Burns (cburns@ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:
: 
[Paragraph mentioning the 'P' fish deleted]
: I think your fantastic luck may be coming to a rapid end (you called 3 fish
: pl...s in that last paragraph.  I'd get one of those charms quickly...

Damn. Too Late. I got to my fish tank this morning, and guess what.
Yes, one of my two Pl***s was as stiff as a board. I'm not joking,
either. A sad day indeed. It would seem that there really is something
in the PLECO.NET.CURSE. 

(Damn, I said the word. Probably be another one dead by the morning)

Cheers,

Steve

PS Any replies by email, send to gadget@dcs.warwick.ac.uk
   My ICL mail address disappears RSN
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From: olson@dirac.phys.washington.edu (Erik Olson)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
Subject: Nitrates in Tanganyikan Tank
Summary: back from vacation
Keywords: nitrate, tanganyikan, africa, plants
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:00:12 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

I am sharing the following in the offchance it will invoke some postings
on plants in brackish/rift lake tanks:

I just returned from a month away from home (and my tanks), and found
in my 60gal Tanganyikan tank that there were zero nitrates!  I find that
very unusual because I have been trying to get the nitrate level down
for months by changing the water every week or so (10-20%),
and never succeeded yet.  Here is what is different this time:

  * Just before I left, I transferred a lot of Val. spiralis from a planted
tank in "because I was just going to throw it out anyway".  It has continued
to grow, albeit slightly stunted & warped.  It has also thrown up stalks,
something it never did in my low-hardness CO2-diffused tank.

  * I think the guy who watched the tank overfed a bit -- the tank is
infested with blue-green and some fuzzy yellowish algae I've never seen.

So, I'm not sure if it's the plants or the algae that did it, but I'm
very pleased.  Definitely a reason to keep the thing planted from now on.
The fry seem to enjoy eating the algae anyway and the adult Tanganyikans do
not seem to munch on the grass too much.

   Erik
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: mdv6n@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Mark D. Van Cleve)
Subject: live bearers
Originator: mdv6n@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 18:47:12 GMT



I have a 20 gallon (high) with UGF, power head, a fair number of plants and 
some live bearers: four swords, a black molly, and two silver (or white) 
lyre-tail mollys.  The female lyre-tail has just developed a very dark blue 
or black fringe at the edge of her tail fin, ie the very end of the fin is
turning dark. Anyone know why?  This may be related: last week I had to 
Furan the tank because the black molly had white fluff on him, and a female
sword had cotton mouth also.  Is it possible that the Furan killed my gravel, 
and that this tail fin discoloration on the lyretail is a result of a nitrogen
surge? Sorry, no test kit or I'd find out for myself.  Is this a plausible
explanation or is there some kind of blue-fin molly disease that I don't know 
about? thanks Mark Van Cleve   mdv6n@virginia.edu
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: kevins@eng.auburn.edu (Kevin Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Wet/Dry
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:52:41 GMT

In article <5159@daily-planet.concordia.ca>, rclark@alcor.concordia.ca (Richard Clark) writes:
|> In article <81_phhj@lynx.unm.edu> jon@apollo.mcl.bdm.com (Jon Humphreys) writes:
|> >Does anyone know anything about the Biolife 55 Wet/Dry filter?  It's
|> >....
|> The only thing I know about it is that in FAMA oct 92 pg 194, in an
|> article by Knox D. Talley, Jr., he states that the Hagen Biolife won
|> "Best new product of '92" at the American Pet Products Manufacturers
|> Assoc.  trade show.  

All that means is that they think *some*body can make a profit selling them.
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: healthy@nick.csh.rit.edu (mdmh von healthy)
Subject: Re: PLECO.NET.CURSE
Keywords: Lucky Charms
Organization: Computer Science House @ RIT
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:45:30 GMT

In article <msN3RB1w165w@valnet> herrj@valnet.UUCP writes:
>cburns@ucs.indiana.edu (Chris Burns) writes:
>
># > Ever since then though, I've had fantastic luck and I've totally avoided th
># > curse.  I've had this clown pleco (in a 10g) for over 15 months.  I've got 
># > I've managed to keep alive for 2 weeks now.
># > --Dennis
># I think your fantastic luck may be coming to a rapid end (you called 3 fish
># pl...s in that last paragraph.  I'd get one of those charms quickly...
># Chris
>And I wish that I'd had one just yesterday.  I didn't even post that
>and then the next day.... SH*T!  It was dead!
>Jon

Mine just bought it... (sob)
mdmh


-- 
mdmh von healthy ( reality is what you make it )
From: booth@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (George Booth)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:51:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Periodic partial water changes
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria

cliff@watson.ibm.com (cliff) writes:
    >How bad is it to do periodic partial water changes (10% of volume)
    >with water right from the tap?  This would be so convenient.  Wouldn't
    >the chlorine (etc) be so diluted as to make changes with water from
    >the tap OK (rather then letting the water age and reach room temperature)?

We do 50% water changes once every 10 days on all our tanks, ranging from
55 to 100 gallons.  We use straight tap water with no dechlorination and
have never had a problem.  We keep discus and small tetras in two of the 
tanks.  Of course, we get "Rocky Mountain Spring Water" from the tap,
so, of course, your results may vary.

-------
George
From: Alan_Schianni@mindlink.bc.ca (Alan Schianni)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: MAILORDERS- CANADA
Date: 3 Oct 92 04:26:15 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Does anyone here know of any aquaria mail-order houses in Canada.  I live in
Vancouver Canada and wish to purchase through mail-order since prices here
are very unreasonable.  Does anyone else in the area or in Canada have any
experience with mail-orders?  Are the items of reasonable cost, even
considering the shipping expenses +tax, etc.?

Please reply,
Thanks,
Alan Schianni
From: shazam@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Newbie, to the list and to aquariums
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:17:44 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

Well, when I said I felt silly for being here, I meant because
everyone here seemed to have much much larger tanks they were asking about
AND most of the questions seemed to be about saltwater tanks.  I
thought perhaps those who owned warm water tropical tanks just
had not said much since I have been reading this list.
I am new to NEWS, and just did not notice that this was not of
the hobbyist nature.

I have been informed however, rather abruptly I might add,
that this list is of the scientific nature, and not that of the 
aquarium hobbyist.  I did not mind being told, but I suppose
that here in the South we are a bit more friendly and relaxed,
and I did not expect someone to appear to be so rude about it. 
*smile*  I suppose this could just be his/her/their nature. 

I am sorry if my posting rattled anyone else's cage! *laugh*
I will not let it happen again!  *smile*

Have a nice day.

Suzanne
From: colorado@next.com
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Butterfly Ciclids
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:39:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.025059.28376@mercury.cair.du.edu>  
vchow@diana.cair.du.edu (VICTOR CHOW) writes:
> Hi there, world
> 
> I have a quaestion, hope somebody can help me:
> 
> I have two butterfly ciclids (also known as blue rams) one is male  
the other
> seems to be a female.
Rams are really easy to sex--  the female has a pinkish sometimes  
very dark fuschia stomach, while the male has longer fins (especially  
the first dorsal ray), and his stomach is usually the same color of  
the rest of the body.  They breed fairly easily, even with other fish  
in the tank, so, if they are a pair, most likely you will see them  
attempting to mate.  Their colors become more brilliant when they're  
mating.  Rams are gorgeous fish-- hope you have good luck with them.

Delia 
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: nclennan@churchst.ccs.itd.umich.edu (Neil F. Clennan)
Subject: Re: Which to believe
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 16:52:39 EDT
Organization: The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Oct5.201115.634@cs.ucla.edu> frazier@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Gregory  
Frazier) writes:
> cliff (cliff@watson.ibm.com) wrote:
> : I have one of those heaters which has a particular temperature value you
> : can set.  I set it to 75.  The LCD stick-on thermometer on the outside
> : of the tank reads 80.  Which of the two readings would be closer to the
> : truth?  
> 
> Neither.  The temp settings on heaters are *always* off one way
> or the other, and those LCD thermometers are completely useless.
> Yes, I own some, too.  The only thing to do is to buy a real
> thermometer.

My LCD thermometer works great. In fact, I started with a "real"
floating thermometer, and IT was useless. It kept claiming that
my water was under 50 F, and in my hot apartment, that just ain't
possible. I had to throw that one out and buy the LCD one. I'd
trust the LCD (or buy multiple thermometers and see which ones
agree...)

Neil Clennan
nclennan@churchst.ccs.itd.umich.edu
From: Alan_Schianni@mindlink.bc.ca (Alan Schianni)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: New Tank..
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:08:12 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I'm starting a new 20-g tank and wanted to do things a bit different this time.
Before I used treated water for -ph, clorine and nitrates.  Now, after reading
several books and articles I'm somewhat convinced that a purely natural cycle
is best.  I'm not familiar with conventional nitrate bacteria or the "invisible
filter" as far as untreated water is used. Can the tank still form such
bacteria agents even if one naturally processes clorinated water or must they
be added to the processes water?  Also, I'm considering planting some decor
plants.  Now, is it true that such require processed water "prior to" planting
or can they survive the cycles and declorination process?  I don't want to
stress the plants under any circumstance.

Oh, is there any way to detect the quantity and types of nitrifying bacteria in
tank-water.

All replies will be appreciated,

Alan_Schianni@Mindlink.bc.ca

Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: frazier@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Gregory Frazier)
Subject: Re: New tank and fish deaths
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 20:42:30 GMT

cliff (cliff@watson.ibm.com) wrote:
: I just set up a new 110 gallon tank, let the water sit for a few days,
: added some ammonia/chlorine/chloromine remover, bought 2 kissing gouramis,
: 2 swordfish, and 4 beuen aires tetras, and put them in the tank.
: I also added some Cycle.
: For the past 2 days, the gouramis have just hidden behind a rock for the most part,
: both swordfish died, but the tetras seem to be doing OK.  
: Is this common for a new tank?  Should the gouramis just hide out until they die,
: and the swordfish die so quickly?  Water temp near 80. pH near 7.5 

Cliff, if any of your fish don't die, thank your lucky stars.
I would think that somebody who has gone to the expense of
getting/setting up a 110g tank would have read about the
nitrogen cycle.  Read the FAQ - it tells you all about what
the nitrogen cycle is and how to set up a new tank.  So
does *any* fish book.

--
"They thought to use and shame me but I win out by nature, because a true
freak cannot be made.  A true freak must be born." - Geek Love

Greg Frazier	frazier@CS.UCLA.EDU	!{ucbvax,rutgers}!ucla-cs!frazier
From: Flatline@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca (Flatline)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Dynamic Aquaria by W.H. Adey
Distribution: world
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:13:15 EDT
Organization: The QuBE BBS

I've just finished reading the book Dyanamic Aquaria by W.H. Adey and K.
Loveland. I think other people on the net have commented on it in the past.
Reading the book in isolation might provide interesting background material
for the usual hobbyist, but reading it AFTER seeing a copy of Adey's VHS
tape of his live-rock greenhouse growing operation in Virgina changes the
way the book is read. The 1/2 hour tape (a rough cut but a real production
tape is on its way) describes and show his operation : about 6 400 gallon
vats are used for growing out seeded live rock and corals. Everthing in
filtered only with algae scribbers and wave-buckets. No protein skimmers
exist in this system. Special bellows-type pumps are used in order not to
damage free-floating plankton and larvae which exist in the system.
Ultra-minimal amounts of food is introduced to the systems.

I seem to be under the impression that Mr. Adey was rapidly discounted by
the industry in general and by people on the net. Am I right? If so, why?



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