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From: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daniel Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: SPURS AND MAN U PLAYERS ????
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:01:17 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <1993Jan23.153110.2958@brandonu.ca> $chiucs@brandonu.ca writes:

>          Can anyone post the present line-up for Spurs and Man united ?
>          I have lost touch of English Football for 3 years already.

Spurs are playing in a 4-4-2 "diamond formation" (with the 4
midfielders arranged two wide, one forward, and one back) with a lineup
like:

                        Thorstvedt


Austin          Mabbutt           Ruddock        Edinburgh


                          Allen
         Anderton                         Durie
                         Samways


               Sheringham          Barmby


Although this hasn't been the team all season, Howells and Nayim are
also getting a significant number of games in midfield.

Daniel Cohen              Department of Computer Science 
Email: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk   Queen Mary and Westfield College
Tel: +44 71 975 5245/4/9  Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, UK
Fax: +44 81 980 6533      *** Glory, Glory, Hallelujah ***
From: stuartw@spider.co.uk (Stuart Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Scottish League/Scottish Super League
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:23:05 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK

>>>> In article <1993Jan15.094340.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>>>> 
>>   ISN'T THAT WHAT THE SUPERLEAGUERS ARE DOING?
>>                                           
>	
>	The idea of the Super League was to improve the overall 
>standard of play in this country.

How? By returning to 10 clubs facing each other 4 times. The small clubs let
the big guns have this before and all we got was moaning that teams were too
familiar with each other and the lower clubs were too scared of relegation to
play football. Even worse, this time it will not be the 10 best sides in the
country but the 10 richest.

The Super League is all about the top clubs wanting more money and power.

>There are too many hangers on in the game, 
>just waiting for the occasional pay day when the Old Firm visit them.  They 
>have no ambition and hold back the progress of the top clubs.

These "hangers on" have let the big clubs change the league twice within the
last twenty years and we are still no further forward. The second time had 
apsolutely nothing to do with football, the top half of the premier league
wanted more power and the bottom half were scared of relegation. They forced it
through by  threatening a breakaway and totally ignored the needs of the smaller
clubs. As a result the smaller clubs decided to take care of themselves and
forced the, admittedly far from perfect, current setup. 

Top clubs recently criticised the league's proposlas for change because of
the loss of points half way through the season. I didn't aggree with this but
found it hard to understand Aberdeen and Rangers objections. After all this was
exactly what they had proposed for the smaller clubs the previous season. Of
course when the smaller clubs rejected this they were accused of only thinking
about themselves etc...

If all the clubs got together they might find a working solution but while
the big clubs have a "we'll go our way and you can do what you like" attitude,
which they have had since before the current setup, the small clubs will be
forced to put their own future before anything else.

Stuart Wilson
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From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Subject: Re: Please *don't* split r.s.s.
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:21:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.062424.3334@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, jrod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (J. Rodriguez) writes:
> There has been much talk again about splitting the newsgroup.  Now it is again
> about rec.sport.soccer.british and rec.sport.soccer.everywhere.else.
>
>                       <good points deleted>
>
> Hopefully Garry, Dan, Marco, Kent, and everyone else will respond about this
> again.  It seems that we have had many many many [too many] discussions about
> this recently.  :-(

I agree with you entirely, John. I certainly don't want to have to subscribe to
three or more newsgroups to find out about football the world over. I don't
read every message in this group and find it quite quick to get through 300+
messages if I have to - I can't understand why a few others see it as such a
big problem.

Alan
From: apc@getafix (Andy P Clarke)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Just another example of the 'fabulous' English
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:11:09 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.soccer
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mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell) writes:
> In article <1778@ozz.oasis.icl.co.uk>, apc@getafix (Andy P Clarke) writes:
>> stevensm@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Mik Stevens) writes:
>> > J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk (J.M.Ross) writes:
>> > 
>> > Tranmere actually come from Birkenhead, across the Mersey from Liverpool.
>> > I saw an interview with John King, Tranmere's manager, recently. He would feel
>> > cheated if Everton got relegated, he wants a full complement of Merseyside 
>> > derbies when Tranmere go up!
> > 
>> > !  James M. Ross                            ! ICL Computers Ltd   !
> > 
> >> Tranmere will need a full complement of Merseyside derbies next year
> >> as their support is still fairly static even though promotion
> 
> theground capacity at prenton park is only about 12000
> 
> their average home gate is about 10-11000   not too bad is it?
> 

Actually the capacity is now up to about 17,500. I wonder how close
we get to that on Saturday for the visit of Ipswich Town in the 
FACup 4th round. It's all ticket so should be pretty full. The best we've 
had since the early seventies was 15,600 against Crewe in the last match
of the 88-89 season when we both went up.

> 
-----Pessimism deleted------
> >> 
> >> mik
> > 
-----Optimism deleted------
> >  
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > 		Andy/
> > 
-----Anti-Swindon deleted-----
> > 

Cheers, 
		Andy/

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From: R0664@vmcms.csuohio.edu
Subject: Gresley Vs Bridgnorth
Organization: CSU
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:46:02 GMT

The score was Gresley Rovers 3 : Bridgnorth Town 0
 
A very short para-phrased report from the Bridgnorth Journal, from a
phone call to family:
 
"Bridgnorth's Wembley dreams were dashed by two first-half fluke goals
by Gresley"
 
Sounds like biased reporting to me!!  Any other interpretations ?
 
Any way, congratulations to the Moatmen, and may they win the Vase.
 
Richard Cole                    Non-League Football:
Urban Center                    A great way to friendship.
Cleveland State University
Cleveland Ohio 44115
From: rich_b@sn4402.gpsemi.com (Richard Bogusz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Nomenclature of "Football"
Date: 28 Jan 93 10:01:30 GMT
Reply-To: rich_b@sn4402.gpsemi.com (Richard Bogusz)
Organization: GEC Plessey Semiconductors


In article <01GTZB21NOEO9ANARM@dcu.ie>, 92911366@vax1.dcu.ie (Brian Looney) writes:
From: 92911366@vax1.dcu.ie (Brian Looney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Nomenclature of "Football"
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 16:16:15 GMT
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hi all,

There seems to be a debate raging at the moment re. the name of the game.

Lets not jump down the American subscribers throats every time they say
"Soccer" instead of "football".

Lots of stuff deleted...


Brian 

The reason why people have a problem with calling American Football
"football" is because the ball is only kicked once in a blue moon (in the
case of SF 49ers the less the better). 

When kids want to have a game of footie and they are on their own they
can juggle the ball and practice their skills, or play against a wall.
But what do you do if your playing American Football?  Throw the ball
twenty yards, run like Linford Christie and try and catch it!  Or do you
beat the shit out of yourself in order to practice a sack?

There should be a lobby in the States demanding a change of name, maybe
"Usually by hand, with the occasional kick" should be the real name
given to American Football.  This would not fit on the match program though.

Rich

PS.  I hope the Bills give the Cowboys what for!
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From: 92911366@vax1.dcu.ie (Brian Looney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: World Cup Finals, 1966
Date: 25 Jan 1993 00:41:59 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Just to clear up a slight error in the goal scorers in the '66 world cup:

Geoff Hurst got 2 goals
Martin Peters got one.

The fourth goal was scored by a visually impaired Russian Linesman.

Or maybe like Maradonna he used divine abilities : "The eyes of God"

Regards to all,

Brian (the) Looney
Dublin City University, Ireland

Forza St. Patricks Athlethic
Forza Foggia
Forca Barca
"I'll be back" - Liverpool F.C.'s Trophy Polisher
From: pele@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (David J. Duffield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: NCAA offseason playing
Date: 27 Jan 1993 23:45:49 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


From Feb 1, 1993 Soccer America:

"I will place articles in the press.  I will hold press conferences.  I
	will take the fight to Congress.  All I need is for you to tell
	me to go ahead."  --US Soccer executive director Hank Steinbrecher
		telling NCAA Div I men's coaches he will lead the fight
		to lift the ban on college players playing outside ball
		during the school year.

To me this sounds like a great idea.  NCAA a good slap in the face (or kick
somewhere else) so that they realize that they are destroying US Soccer.

~r .scoff

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: timh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Timothy James Hatfield)
Subject: Re: Celtic Re-sign Jinky Johnstone
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:34:11 GMT


In article <1993Jan25.162858.25531@spider.co.uk> scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson) writes:

>There was a classic in yesterdays Sunday Mail from that great orator Liam
>Brady which probably qualifies him for a seat on the board.
>
>                       "Gazza For Celtic!" by Alex Gordon
>
	<article deleted> 

> 
>In disecting this piece of certain parts stand out like sponsors on a Celtic
>jersey:
>
<latest what's_wrong_with_Celtic_stuff deleted> 

Why must you persist in attacking EVERY SINGLE THING to do with Celtic ?

Posting "Rangers Match Reports" is one thing, and fine by me (I enjoy reading
the reports), endless abuse of all things Celtic is another.

With regards to Rangers v Celtic I'm totally neutral, but I and others are
getting bloody sick of yours, Sandy's etc. endless goings-on about what's
wrong at Celtic Park. Stop cluttering up the group please.

Have a nice day.


-- 
Tim Hatfield (B Sc)      _--_|\  | "Indeed in nothing is the power of the Dark 
EX-University of Sydney /      \ |  Lord more clearly seen than in the  
timh@extro.ucc.su.oz.au \_.--._* |  estrangement that divides all those who 
ak530@po.cwru.edu             v  |  still oppose him." Haldir, Lord Of The Rings
From: wardl@asgard.dcu.ie (Liam Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: LOI results & Rovers (Shamrock)
Date: 27 Jan 1993 06:45:35 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: wardl@asgard.dcu.ie
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In Message 26 Jan 93 20:57:43 GMT,
  ECMONT@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.edu (EUGENE C MONTAGUE) writes:


>Speaking of the green and white hoops: are there any other Shamrock Rovers
>fans out there? If there are perhaps one of them - or anybody that knows
>anything about the LOI - can tell me just how badly Rovers are playing, if
>there are any bright spots at all, how Ray Treacy's position is etc. Also
>just _who_ is playing for the team these days. Since I've been here in
>September I've lost touch.

Rover's qualified for the final of the Leinster Senior Cup last night by
beating junior side St. Francis at Dalymount Park. Paul Cullen scored the
only goal. They now meet Bohs or Dundalk in the final.

As to their form this season, I've seen them four times. They have played
some nice football and some rubbish. At their best they play a very nice
passing game but sometimes seem to have no concept of where the goal is! The
"one pass too many" accusation has been levelled at them several times.
On the occasions when I've seen them I'd have to say that new signing Eric
Hogan has been excellent. He plays in an outside left position.

I'll have to look through some programmes to give you a team list.

Regards,

Liam

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From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Subject: Re: hands off FERGIE ya bastards
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:56:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.085612.3036@dct.ac.uk>, mcsbc2gw@dct.ac.uk writes:

> David Murray tonight confirmed that Rangers tabled a bid of 2.5 million
> for Ferguson but McLean says no bids have been received and if they were,
> he confirmed that he will NOT sell Ferguson to any Club especially Rangers.


> Where are the SFA in all of this? Doing S(od) F(uck) A(ll) thats' what.
> Rangers have made an obvious delibarate illegal approach to a player
> under contract to DUFC and are being allowed to get away with it!!!!!!
> The "Loyal" Rangers following(who pissed off between 1980 and 1986 but
> came back following Sounesss' first championship) may see nothing wrong
> in trying to 'strengthen their team', but they should think twice before
> passing a comment on this article because I have plenty to say on the issue
> and I have facts on my side, what do they have? Bare-faced lies thats'
> what.

Well, well you've just made a complete erse of yourself and embarressed
Scotland in front of the rest of the world.  Your posting is complete 
nonsense, just the sort of thing we've come to expect in recent times
from that part of the world.  Of course you're entitled to opinions but 
writing this nonsense is not on.  Why can't you write a sensible and 
informed article on the Ferguson affair rather than spew out this garbage.
Typical as well when you've got to start using words like Huns etc to 
describe Rangers.   The fact is Jim McLean lied about Rangers interest in
Ferguson and at this stage the complete truth is not known. Someone leaked
the story to STV on Friday and David Murray confirmed Rangers interest 
on Saturday.  That much is the truth, the rest is only speculation.  



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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: internationl response needed
From: mscs240@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 24 Jan 93 16:56:57 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

I need someone to send me some electronic mail for this computer class that I
am enrolled in.  The only requirement is  that  the mail must be from a country 
outside the United States.  So someone please send me some mail.  Thanksin
advance.  My user id is mscs240.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: thomase@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Thomas Esamie)
Subject: Re: Newspaper Column
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:30:31 GMT

In article <16B638396.R0664@vmcms.csuohio.edu> R0664@vmcms.csuohio.edu writes:
> 
[..bits deleted..]
>"This space is usually reserved for essays about horse racing.  Not today.
>I'm giving the ponies the week off to scribble about my passion - soccer.
>I know, it's foriegn, a game played by guys with first names like
>Gianluigi, Matthias and Ian, and some guys with just one name (remember Pele?)
			 ^^^
> 
[..more still, regrettably, deleted..]

	Since when is Ian a foreign name? Does this in some way tie in to the
bit in "sex, lies and Videotape" where the guy introduces himself as graham
and the girl goes 'Oh that's an unusual name'.

	Is America full of Daves, Dwights and Jakes or am I incredibly slow
when it comes to a joke?



			Thomas the Tank Engine
			aka Algor

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Date: Friday, 22 Jan 1993 11:52:55 CET
From: <SCLARKE@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re : Tony Daley - where's he gone?

Mark Brewer asks...
>A good question, in my book....
>
>Haven't heard about him in ages - news anyone?
>
>Cheers,
>
>Mark Brewer
>Aberdeen

I think I read that Tony has a bad injury, although how serious it is I
cannot remember.

Rumours are that he was bitten by the tribble (see Star Trek) that he kept
on his head last season, causing extensive brain disorder.

...or was it really a hair cut

regards, Sean
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: dstein@oak.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Subject: Re: Split of CSFR
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 16:13:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.020741.123234@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pjh3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PAUL JEFFERY HISEM) writes:
>With the split of the CSFR, what will happen to the league?  There are not
>enough teams to form separate leagues, so will they keep it together and
>merely form divisions (ie. Czech, Slovak).  What about the WC, qualifying has
>already started: will they send a unified team, or will Slovakia get the short
>end of the stick again as they did with hockey?   Anyone out there know?

  In football, the league will split only after the end of this season.
There is some contraversy about this, the Slovaks having announced none
of the Slovak teams in the federal league will be delegated, while the
Czechs worry this will lower the level of competiton since some Slovaks
teams will not have to care about their results now.

  There is some hope that the winners of both republic's cups will be 
allowed into the Cup Winners Cup next year.  Until now they always played 
an inter-republic final to see who qualifies.

  The WC qualification team will stay united, so you could see a common
team as late as 1994, USA.  

  The case of hockey is very different from football, because in hockey 
the WC divides nations into three leagues.  Thus only the Czech Republic 
got a place in the group A, while Slovaks must start in pool C.

  However, there was a plan to send a common team to the WC in Germany 
this year.  A bureaucratic error in IIHL, supposedly, made this impossible 
and Slovakia may have to play in the C pool right away.

  In my opinion this is actually a blessing in disguise for Slovakia.
Because now they can get to pool A a year sooner.  I hope they can make
it--both Ukraine and Latvia may be formidable opponents.  

I look forward to games between the Czech Republic and Slovakia!

 - David

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From: simonh@napier.uk.sun.com (Simon Hunt - Sun EHQ)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: What is with Liverpool
Date: 15 Jan 1993 16:03:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems (UK) Ltd
Distribution: world
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In article D933DDEC0000819D@knox.bitnet, PKARLIOT%KNOX.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU writes:
>       Hi there,
>          Liverpool is not doing well this year and I think there are some

Oh really - what do you define 'not doing well' to be?  If you mean they won't
win anything then you're undoubtedly right.  But with Liverpool's resources it
will be a matter of time until they buy their way out of trouble.  They're not
in any danger of relegation are they?  I'm a Gillingham supporter...(honest)

>          It may seen that Souness's style of play is not doing Liverpool any
> good this year.  Liverpool has been inconsistent and cannot put together a
> streak of good games; it's a win one day, a loss next week, a draw the week
> after that.   Inconsistency is not good in any sport and is not good in soccer
> either.

Gillingham, on the other hand, are perfectly consistent.  A loss one day, a loss 
next week and a loss the week after that...

>          I heard that Souness's days in Anfield may be over sooner than
> expected.  Someone said that he could be sacked as early as this coming Monday.
> I don't know if his sacking will solve the problems in Liverpool.  However, I
> will support a decision to sack Souness only if it brings a major turnaround in
> Liverpool.  We will have to wait and see.

I can't honestly believe that Liverpool fans are so looking forward to the sacking
of a manager that steered them to the FA cup last year despite a serious injury
problem.  Just because Liverpool don't win anything one year.  And you can't 
really blame Souness for the loss to Bolton - the team lacked spirit and a 
willingness to win.  In the previous tie Souness was reportedly so angry with his
team's attitude that he knocked a tray of coffee over Paul Stewart's clothes in
the dressing room at half time!

>          Liverpool may be going through some tough times right now, but I will
> stick with them.  A fan must be loyal, even in tough times.  Don't you agree?
>                                                            Cheers,
>                                                            Panos
>                                                     A concerned Liverpool fan

One year without a trophy doesn't make for tough times.  Ask any Gillingham
fan.


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Premier League champions 93-94: QPR
FA Cup Winners 93-94: Gillingham

Hands off Ferdinand, Keegan et al.
From: haberm@imag.fr (Peter Habermehl)
Subject: Re: 1982 World Cup question
Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:40:32 GMT

In article <C1Dxys.J28@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> news@vuse.vanderbilt.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan24.232942.9094@ultb.isc.rit.edu> mxt7690@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>>The attacking frenchman in the collision was Lacombe
>
>I say it was Battiston.


-- 
Peter Habermehl
IMAG Grenoble, France
e-mail: haberm@imag.fr