HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cohen@granite.ciw.edu (Ronald Cohen)
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:48:58 GMT
Organization: Geophysical Laboratory

In article <9212111738.AA13171@cyclone.sbi.com> <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)> writes:
excerpt:
>What I don't abide is someone claiming to follow Halakha when
>the foundation of that "Halakha" is that the Torah, Talmud,
>Shulchan Arukh, etc, are not binding on Jews today.  I am also
>upset when the decisions are made out of ignorance.  I will
>not accept as a legitimate interpreter of Halakha someone
>who says the prohibitions of eating pork are due to health
>concerns and are no longer valid because we can prevent the
>illnesses today.  This is simply uninformed.  The person is
>clearly ignorant of Halakha's every aspect, citations from the
>Torah, the most fundamental derivations of the Talmud, and
>even the current approach among the most liberal Jews who
>consider Halakha binding.
>
>-Don Gertler

Believe it or not, I couldn't find anything to disagree with in your post!
Me and my family do the best we can at this stage in our lives, and are
always trying to do more.  Sometimes I worry about whether some decisions
were made with the full scientific knowledge we have today, and if some
decisions would have been different with today's knowledge.  However, I
agree that that's no excuse for deviating in fundamental ways from accepted
halacha. And I would never expect someone to eat in my house who felt
uncomfortable doing so, though we do keep kosher in our way, meaning we
haven't hit 100% yet but are working in that direction.

There are real critical differences though: O doesn't consider my kids
Jewish, which makes me think: if your movement doesn't accept me and my
family, why should I consider your opinions at all?  

That is the crux of the original argument under this thread, which drifted
off into many other issues.
___
Ron Cohen
From: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM (Janice Gelb)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Shabbat question
Date: 15 Dec 1992 17:50:20 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin

In article 3043@israel.nysernet.org, warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) writes:
>In <1992Dec11.164314.11148@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld) writes:
>
>>According to most poskim, flames can be lowered only to keep food
>>from burning.  So on Yom Tov, make sure to lower the flame *before*
>>you take the pot off.  Raising the flame can be done regardless.
>
>There is a gadget that I found in a hardware store in Israel right
>before Sukkot which attaches to the knob of the stove, and shuts off
>the gas after a settable period.  Since one adjusts it before lighting
>the flame (from another flame, of course), the flame is extinguished
>without violating Yom Tov.
>

I have been told that one is permitted to turn off a burner on a gas
stove because it is like not adding more wood to a fire. By shutting
the burner off, one is just not feeding any more gas to the fire, which
eventually then dies, rather than extinguishing the flame itself, such
as with a candle.


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From: sstein@mbcl.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: HELP on trip to Israel ---QUICK!
Date: 13 Dec 92 22:09:02 GMT

Sunday December 13, 1992

This is a request for QUICK information about a trip to Israel.  My fiancee 
and I have been planning to make a trip to Israel in the Spring or Summer, but
due to a variety of circumstances, we can go next week or probably not for a 
long time.  So, I think we are going to pack up and go (ElAl) next week.

	My request is for advice on your favorite places, sites, restaurants,
hotels, etc...   I was in Israel when I was a teenager in the mid-70's,  Rachel
hasn't been before.  I'm 32, she's 28, and our means are somewhat budget 
oriented.  

	Also, I'm a molecular biologist and would love to take a peek at
somebody's lab out there--if possible.  

	We are planning on 2.5-3 weeks, depending on flight availability.

Please E-mail:
	
	SSTEIN@oryx.rutgers.edu



			Thanks very much.


			Steve Stein
From: israel@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert B. Israel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Rosh Chodesh Tool for Sun4
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:56:47 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In <1992Dec16.024954.25070@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> friedenb@ash.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:

>I found a great utility for the Sun4.  It is called xmoon.
>It tells you everything that you ever wanted to know about
>the moon, updated every 5 seconds!

>It displays the following information in a window:

>Julian Date      (a number that I don't understand.  It is in 
>                  the form 2448973.10481)
This is the number of days since Jan. 1 (I think), 4713 BCE 
(I don't know why they selected that as the starting point)

>Universal Time   (GMT, I assume)
Yes

[...]

>Moon Subtends    (I don't understand this one either.  It is in degrees)
I imagine it's the apparent diameter of the moon's disk, as seen from earth.
Should be close to half a degree.

[...]

>Next New Moon    ( " )  - VERY HELPFUL FOR ROSH CHODESH

Our Muslim friends will find it helpful, and I suppose we will too when we go
back to having the Sanhedrin determine the calendar from reports by witnesses.
But how will it help us now?  You'll find that the astronomical new
moon and the molad from the Jewish calendar are not identical.  I'm not sure
how much they can differ - since you have the program maybe you can tell us.
-- 
Robert Israel                            israel@math.ubc.ca
Department of Mathematics             or israel@unixg.ubc.ca
University of British Columbia
Vancouver, BC, Canada V6T 1Y4
From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: JforJ ad in Newsweek
Date: 19 Dec 1992 19:17:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


   I have spoken to many of my Christian friends about this 'Jews
for Jesus' crap.  Many of them are completely puzzled by the fad.
They wonder why these folks can't deal with being Christians.  As
Christians, they wondered if these folks are somehow ashamed of a
label like Christians.  A few of them were outright offended at a
person who believes in Jesus as the Messiah, but is ashamed to be
called 'Christian.'
From: yaffe@pendragon.ICD.Teradyne.COM (Art Yaffe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Recipes in general
Date: 16 Dec 1992 21:05:58 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

jjsulliv@COLBY.EDU (Nice Young Lady(tm)) writes:

> I'm compiling, as I may have mentioned,a personal cookbook.  Anyone got
> any traditional Hannukah/Rosh Hashanah or whatever recipes they would be
> willing to share?

So I raided my bride's recipe box and came up with this one.  We bake these
for birthdays, anniversaries, Labor Day, Thanksgiving Day, and nearly all
of the Jewish Holidays except for Yom Kippur and Passover.  Let me know
when you try this recipe, JJ, and I'll come down there to taste one.  

Maybe two. . . 

---

     /\							     /\
____/_ \____						____/_ \____
\  ___\ \  /						\  ___\ \  /
 \/ /  \/ /         A RECIPE FROM A JEWISH MOTHER	 \/ /  \/ /
 / /\__/_/\						 / /\__/_/\
/__\ \_____\						/__\ \_____\
    \  /						    \  /
     \/							     \/
			   RUGELACH
			   --------

1 pkg. Dry Yeast		1 cup  Sugar
3 cups Flour			1 cup  Finely Chopped Walnuts
1 cup  Butter			2 tsp. Cinnamon
3      Egg Yolks		       
1 cup  sour cream

Sprinkle the yeast over the flour.  Add softened butter and blend.
Stir egg yolks into the sour cream and add to the flour mixture. 
Form into a ball, wrap in foil, and refrigerate over night.

Combine the sugar, chopped walnuts, and cinnamon.

Divide the dough into 4 balls.  Spread the sugar mixture on a board.  
Roll 1/4 of the dough into a 10 to 12 inch round, coating both sides 
well with the sugar mixture.  Cut the rolled dough into 16 wedges.  
Roll up from the wide end first.   Bake on a cookie sheet in a 325 
degree oven for 30 minutes. 

My favorite variant:  Place two or three raisins at the wide end of 
each wedge before rolling.  I also dip each rollup in the sugar 
mixture before I place it on the cookie sheet.  

---
********************************
Arthur G. Yaffe
Internet: yaffe@icd.teradyne.com
********************************
From: cm827@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gary Miles)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Kedusha of the Pipick (or Contemplating you Navel)
Date: 21 Dec 92 02:51:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Did Adam and Chavah have pipicks (belly buttons), or 
were their children the first to have pipicks?

We know that Adam was created "b'tzlem elokim" (in the
image of G-d) and that everything in this (physical)
world has a counterpart in the spiritual world.
So what can we say about the pipick?  

Brain teaser:  A man entered a cave and found a couple of
(well preserved) bodies.  He ran out shouting that he found
the graves of Adam and Chavah.  How did he know?

Brain teaser 2:  What does this have to do with Channuka?
-- 
Gary Miles
Strategic Thinking and Investments
email: stigmiles@mcimail.com
Palo Alto, California
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Nazi propaganda on this net
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:19:35 GMT

In <4566@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:

>The rightists warren talk  about are those exist only in his hatefull mind!

Nope, I saw it happen.  Try again.
-- 
/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
 |__/__/_/    
 |warren@         "WARENS statement in his signature express a Nazi idea."
/ nysernet.org 			    Gideon Ehrlich
From: rubinoff@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Robert Rubinoff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Entertaining suggestions for responses to "Merry Christmas"
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:02:30 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

How about:  "Christmas?  Gee, is it Christmastime already?"
 
  Robert

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger)
Subject: Re: The Jewish nose myth
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 06:25:11 GMT

In article <Dec11.231930.43105@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mk568652@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Mitchell Kotler) writes:
>Can anyone explain how this myth got started ?

Go watch a Groucho Marx movie and then we'll talk.

--Mark

P.S. Anyone care to comment on the myth that blond hair is common in
Norway?
From: lazer@intacc.uucp (Lazer Danzinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Visiting Israel
Date: 10 Dec 92 09:43:55 GMT
Organization: Inter/Access' Matrix BBS


	As I mentioned in my last post, I will be visiting Israel the
	week before, and the week of, Channuka.

	Time permitting, I would enjoy meeting with any of our
	Israeli SCJ'ers.

	The _correct_ phone number in Jerusalem is:
	520207.


----
Rabbi Lazer Danzinger
MASHIACH IS ON THE WAY-- Be a Part of It!
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:01:27 EST
From: Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Skoll and "netiquitte"
 <102502@netnews.upenn.edu> <92352.1746092893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>

In article <102502@netnews.upenn.edu>, weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P
Wiener) says:
>
>In article <dfs.724618376@sybok>, dfs@doe (David F. Skoll) writes:
>>> Mr Skoll, please stop sending me e-mail. I don't read it and I don't
>>> want it!
>
>>Well, "Andy", if you post a public denunciation of me on scj, calling
>>me names in front of the entire scj community, I will send you e-mail
>>to keep the discussion OFF scj.
>
>I've had similar problems with Andy
>insulting without you replying.  If you do, it's harassment.

I see no need in maintaining e-mail contacts where the discussion is
pointless or has descended to insult. It is simply a principle that
phoning, mailing or e-mailing people who have asked you not to do so
is considered to be harassment. Most people understand this and desist
communication when a request for termination has been made, others feel
the infantile need for the last word or have no respect for others privacy
and insist on persisting with unwanted communication.

Both you and Skoll have in the past shown a lack of maturity and a juvenile
attitude by persisting in e-mailing me when I have requested you do so no
longer. In Skoll's case I even bounced his mail and stopped replying altogether
and he still persisted. This exceeds the limit of civility, it is rude,
childish, undisciplined and shows a lack of judgement.

For the record, you got the name wrong too but by failing to respect my
privacy and the security of my files on campus despite the fact I have made
it clear that I cannot publically post my name as if both name and student
number are known, it leads to a possible security problem for me, and
persisting to post what you believe is my name not only shows contempt,
incivility and irresponsible, it exposes you as a scoundrel totally
devoid of honour. It also underscores my feeling that you are not
a person worth corresponding with.
From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: land for peace----- NOT!!!!!!
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:46:20 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

There has been much talk of land for peace, that the Jews should for some
reason be forced to part with the only commmodity they have.  This is
ridiculous.  Come on.  Look at a fucking map, color the arab areas red and the
Israeli area blue.  Not much blue is there, Lot of red isn't there, can't the
palestinians find a wee bit of red area to call their own.  While we are at
it, color the oil producing areas black, coincides with a lot of the red
doesn't it, none of the blue getting darker is it?  Don't give the Arab's
another fucking acre.  Right now it seems that the Israelis are the most
powerful in the area, so peace for the arabs and israelis is a mutually
advantageous situation.  Everytime the state of israel made land gains it has
been after a blatant arab agression.  I say fuck the arabs, they don't deserve
concessions, every time you deal with the arab leadership (I don't mean the
average arab off the street) they turn around and spit in your face.  SEE PAST
AGRESSION.  I am sorry for being rude but some damn palestinian kid was just
talking about how jews and israel were the great satan and it really began to
bother me, so I had to get it off my chest.  But in all seriousness, trade
peace for peace, you stop bombing us, we'll stop bombing you, but as long as
the arabs continue to perpertrate the agression on us, I see no reason why we
should not fight back.

-- 
my name is mike and i'm a .sig-a-holic, i have been virtually .sig free for
ten days now, my life is so much clearer, i pledge to do my best to never
have a long .sig again.  i don't need one because i'm good enough, i'm smart
enough and god darnit, people like me.  ob info: mlsa@lehigh.edu, mike
sherman phone# 758-0207 disclaimer, we don't neeeed no steeenking disclaimer.
From: jacobw@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jacob Solomon Weinstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Holocaust jokes (was Re: To all Jews)
Date: 15 Dec 92 07:40:18 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1992Dec15.023654.20806@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.022253.1609@netcom.com> horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen -- [408] 736-3923) writes:
>>Then you asked Madi for, maybe, a Holocaust joke. Well, here's something
>>close...
>
>Well, if we're starting on holocaust jokes, here's a venerable
>one. (It's technically not a holocaust joke, as it dates to the
>early '30s, but...)
(Funny joke deleted...)
How about:
An elderly Jewish man is sitting on a bench, studying. A German soldier
comes up and says, "What are you doing?"
"I'm studying Hebrew."
"Why are you wasting your time doing such a foolish thing?"
"Well, Hebrew is the language of Heaven."
The soldier scoffs. "Hah! That _is_ a waste of time. For all you know,
you'll end up in the other place."
And the Jewish man replies, "Maybe so, but I already know German."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout)
Subject: Jews, Cincinatti, and the KKK
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:50:34 GMT

I was listening to the CBC last night where a Lubavitcher Rabbi
from Cincinatti was discussing a situation that has developed in
that city.

It seems that for years, his synagogue has applied to put up a Menorah
in the central square (Liberty Square?).  At the first application it
looked like approval was imminent, until it came before  city council.
It was refused on the basis of separation of Church and State.  When
this was overturned by a court, they refused on the basis of safety 
concerns.  When they could not uphold that, they claimed the slippery
slope argument: "If we let you have a Menorah, every group will want
to have something, including the KKK".  

I don't understand how the Menorah was finally approved, but I understand
that a white cross from the KKK will also go up with it in the same
square, under the banner "freedom of speech".  It seems that city council
made it look like there had been three application for crosses from different
groups for a long time, when in fact there was only ever one group.

The difference is, as the Rabbi pointed out, and as many are aware, that
there is freedom of speech in America, but yet there is a law against calling
"Fire!" in a theatre.  This clearly racist group should not be allowed
to post their symbol of racism (even though the cross may mean something 
completely different to denominational Christians). 

Anybody from Cincinatti wish to add details? 

--
Eli Chiprout                 
Dept. of Electronics, 
Carleton University, Canada
emc@doe.carleton.ca                                     
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jbaltz@hebrew.cc.columbia.edu (Jerry B Altzman)
Subject: Re: Jewish Joke of the Day (a true story)
Keywords: santa claus
Organization: mailer daemons association
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:07:13 GMT

In article <92351.082058YZKCU@CUNYVM.BITNET> Yaakov Kayman <YZKCU@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>My mother, may she be well until 120, told me that when I was a very
>small child (maybe 5 or less), we went to a local department store, and
>that when the store Santa asked me what I wanted for Christmas I told
>him  "A Hanukkah present!" :-D :-D

A (non-Jewish) family friend of ours (who has been gathered to his people)
was a department-store Santa in a mall near my house. When I was about 5,
my mother and I were shopping there and we ran into him (unexpectedly, but
we knew who he was and he knew who I was) so he invited me up on his lap
and I told him "You better not come down *our* chimney--we have a gas
furnace and you'll burn your tuchus!" He said that he couldn't keep a
straight face after that one for the rest of the day :-)

>Yaakov K.

//jbaltz
--
jerry b. altzman       Relax, it's all just 1's and 0's       +1 212 854 2057 
jbaltz@columbia.edu                                      jauus@cuvmb (bitnet)
NEVIS::jbaltz (HEPNET)                    ...!rutgers!columbia!jbaltz (bang!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Synagogue MUSIC
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:03:06 GMT


This is a topic I care about. Does anyone know of a congrgation (O or C)
in the greater Los Angeles area which has a good chazzan in the European
tradition? The Fifth Avenue Synagogue in New York is a bit longer
than a Sabbath Day's Journey for me to hear Malovany.

Even some orthodox tunes, by the way, stop me in my tracks. There was
one prayer in the Yom Kippur service, for example, that the Marina del
Rey Chabadniks sung to the tune of the French national anthem.  It
happened several times.

David
From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Vijay's Genuine Apology
Date: 17 Dec 92 08:51:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

In article <1992Dec16.163129.24073@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk>, ucakrvb@ucl.ac.uk (Vijay Bhuchar) writes:
> I just wanted to apologize for posting Messianic
> literature in SCJ.
>
> I will continue over in the correct forum which is
> alt.messianic and hope that I continue to receive as
> much mail as I did although hopefully from those of you
> who want genuine dialogue on the topic.
>
> My first article was in a response to a question
> * What is Messianic Judaism? * I showed you the Daniel 9
> prophecy which is winning the Orthodox over in their 100's.
>
> My follow ups were in response either to news items or e-mail
> (i.e. you said there was no crucifixion prophecy and I showed it
> to you etc. etc)
>
> I will get round to sending e-mail enquirers a standard reply soon
>
> Follow me on alt.messianic and I will show you other proofs of
> Messiahship of Jeez and I will at some point answer the question
> * Why do Christians evangelize Jews? *
>
> Believe me you think you know the answer but you dont.
> Its got something to do with an unfulfilled prophecy
> Zecheriah 13:8-9.
>
> See you on a.m hopefully
>
> Vijay


Dear Vijay,

K.M.I.T. *

Josh
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL

* TRANSLATION:   KISH MEER IN TUCHES



Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout)
Subject: Re: STOP negative stereotypes of Jews!
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:54:36 GMT

In <1992Dec16.190744.5211@Princeton.EDU> jacobw@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jacob Solomon Weinstein) writes:

>You know, I have to agree absolutely that anybody who perpetuates a
>stereotype (however harmless) about the Jewish people is doing nothing but 
>giving ammo to anti-Semites. I have therefore decided to flame 
>somebody who insists on calling us "a stiff-necked people." Does anybody 
>know God's e-mail address? 

While you are at it, remind Him to about labeling Israel as a whore,
offspring of various wild animals (specifically the one that
sounds like the rear), ungrateful, illegitimate (bastards), etc.
Anti-Semites really use those as bombshells.

--
Eli Chiprout                 
Dept. of Electronics, 
Carleton University, Canada
emc@doe.carleton.ca