From: dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar)
Subject: Re: URDU
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 18:50:14 GMT

mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP) writes:

>	In United States when you go out to bar/restaurants/Govt Offices
>        university calsses etc you ask others to learn URDU first
>	before you can talk to them? Which dress you use "Chooridar 
>	Pajama and Achkan"?
>	         Just curious.

>Mirza Ilyas

When I feel like it, I will wear a Shalwar Kameez with a waist coat
made of pattu from Gilgit and sometimes over that a chador (Loy) made
of Kashmiri wool. Is it just me, or do OTBs who come to the West and
try their best to forget who and what they are make everyone else 
sick too? 

Pa jee, eh sadda izzat da gal hai, te tussi sannu tannay dainay chaunday?

Sawri. Wrhaang Nhumbhur.

-hd
Pakistani-American Youth Not Disguising Our Origins
(PAYNDOO)
Attaullah Khan/Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan
PM/President
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From: s0m9470@summa.tamu.edu (SAAD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Payndoo ? Bhayya ?
Date: 22 Apr 91 21:31:27 GMT
Reply-To: s0m9470@summa.tamu.edu
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My contribution to payndoo/bhayya thread :)

 A payndoo is a payndoo. The term comes from punjbai word "pinD" which
means a village. And a "payndoo" is someone from "pind". Why is it so
derogatory ?

 Very interestingly, people from small cities and towns and villages
coming to big cities like Lahore etc are called "payndoo" by natives
of the big city who themselves at one point or other came from some
small village or town. But the reason people feel insulted when called
payndoo is not because they are punjabis or from village but because
they want themselves to be known and accepted as "modern", "fashionable",
"vogue" and ungraizee_medium. It could be my personal experience but I
have this feeling that recent trend in upper-class punjabis is to
show-off their payndooism as symbol of machoism. They do it by driving
pajeros and accords with their dhoti_wearing_klashnikov_carrying body
guards around them, speaking in punjabi but in very urban accent with few
interjections of ungraizee phrases, wearing primitive but stylish desi
clothing and listening to Atta_Ullah_Eisa_Khaelvi. They proudly call
themselves payndoo.

The new term for those who donot come in above category and are non-punjbai
speaking and donot show-off their payndoosim and act like "pauly_shore of MTV"
in streets of Samanabad, Gulberg, Modeltown and Chouburjee is "mummy_daddy".
Go visit any college or school in Lahore or Faisalabd and you will find plenty
of these "mummy_daddys".

These "mummy_daddys" usually come from the kind of families where
speaking punjabi is considered cheap. Where childern are brought up as
if they are going to live in "Los Angeles" and "Houston" when they
grow up. Most of them do end up at these places. These folks grow up
with images of Michael J. Fox and Tom Cruise as their role models. They
know how to assemble a 10 speed bike and where to buy latest "Madonna" album
but they donot know where the best halwa puri is available and where is
subzee mundee :) And above all they have no idea about the rules of
street cricket and "poondi" :) :)

---Yet Another Payndoo
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