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From: michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan)
Subject: Future of HP 9000/300 series?
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:17:54 GMT

With more and more people using and switching to the 700 series systems,
does anybody know anything about HP's future plans for the 300 series?

Last November, our sales rep was in here talking about the new 700i
and 700rt boxes, and generally trying to nudge us towards moving from
the 300 to the 700.  (Something we eventually want to do, but the
timing is uncertain.)  One thing that got said in that meeting was a
very clear statement that as of January '94, the 300 series would no
longer be available for purchase.  Needless to say, that caught our
attention, and we've been putting some serious energy into gearing up
for the switch in our product.

Now today we were told that the 300 series will *not* be discontinued,
this coming from the same sales rep.  We have a meeting scheduled with
her on Friday, so I hope to find out more about what exactly is going
on at that time.

Does anybody have any solid information about HP's plans?  How much
longer will the 300 series be available?  What is the expected price
change as demand for the unit goes down?  (Up, I'm sure, but how much
and how soon?)  Quite honestly, from a technical standpoint, I'd
*love* to switch to the 700 as soon as possible.  From a business
standpoint, however, there are some serious hurdles to be faced,
including available time for such a project.  I'd like to know as much
as possible about our options.  Any help you can provide would be most
appreciated.

-- 
Michael Bryan     michael@resonex.com
From: bosch@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Gerhard Bosch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Softbench 1.0 on HP 720
Date: 12 Jan 1993 08:19:30 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ifh-hp2.bau-verm.uni-karlsruhe.de

Hi, I was wondering if there are any know troubles with Softbench Version
1.0 on an HP 720 using HPUX 8.05.

Could it be possible that it doesn't work to check the value of a 3-dimensional
array. Just a short Fortran section to define such an array.

       parameter(nx=20,ny=20,nz=20)
       real x(nx,ny,nz)

I haven't done a systematic survey ( Just using softbench ) but I wasn't
able to check the value of such an array element using explicitly the
interested indices ?


Did anybody have similar problems ?


Sincerely Gerhard Bosch
From: stuart@TIVOLI.COM (Stuart Jarriel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: PPL encapsulation formats
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:38:04 GMT
Organization: Tivoli Systems, Inc

Having read up on PPL, it appears to use either SLIP or ASLIP encapsulation.
I have read a good bit on CSLIP and what it does to the packet headers, but
I dont know where to find any details on SLIP/ASLIP.  Does anyone know
where the RFC or other suitable reading is for SLIP/ASLIP (BSLIP?).

Thanks
stuart
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: gellman@acns.nwu.edu (Jim Gellman)
Subject: netdist troubles
Summary: DAMNIT!
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:36:20 GMT

Our group has recently purchase two new Hewlett-Packard machines --
a 9000-710 and a 9000-827.  We're planning to use the 710 as a
network observation console, running HP's OpenView Network Node
Manager product, which was distributed on DAT.  The *only* DAT we
have is internal to the 827, and that's where my troubles begin.

The copyright protection scheme employed requires that I use the
'update' program to load the software.  This shouldn't be a problem,
since 'update' on the 710 can run as a client of 'netdistd' running
on the 827.  Unfortunately, we've hit a few snags.  The 710 is running
HPUX 8.07, while the 827 is running HPUX 8.02.  The versions of 'update'
and 'netdistd' in these releases seem to be different  Specifically,
8.07 recognizes three types of machine architectures -- 300, 700 and 
800 -- while 8.02 recognizes only two -- 300, and 800, with 700 machines
included in the 800 category.  Our 710 connects to the 827's netdistd,
identifies itself as a 700-series machine, and is promptly disconnected
by the 827 daemon, which has never heard of a 700.  'update' refuses to
download the requested filesets if I supply the -S800 argument, 
reporting that the specified architecture does not match this machine.

I've found two shameless hacks that have allowed me to get most of what 
I need to do done.  First, I was able to run 'update' interactively to
get the ovinstall program from the DAT filesets.  'ovinstall' handles
the copyright key validation, and runs 'update' as a subprocess -- but 
I couldn't run it interactively.  Thus my second hack, which I just 
thought of and can't yet try:  I ftp'd the 'update' program from the
827.

We're seeing more and more HP machines on campus.  I suspect that I'm
going to see this problem again.  Does a solution have to be this
ugly?

--
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jag@nwu.edu					Northwestern University ACNS
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: johnmc@pp711 ()
Subject: Re: How to play sun audio (.au) files on a HP700 ?
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Distribution: comp.sys.hp
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 10:32:18 GMT

In article <C0pEz7.Fr8@fc.sde.hp.com>, pld@fc.hp.com (Paul_Dineen) writes:
> : The subject says all... Is it possible to play audio files on a HP 700
> : as on a Sparcstation ?
> 
>   Run /usr/audio/bin/make_audio_device to set up the device files.
>   Then cat the .au file to /dev/audio.

Hi,
	I have a related question. When you send audio files through mail
on a SUN, it runs them through a program called adpcmcompress. I assume this
is some specialized audio file compression utility. Does anyone know of a way
to uncompress these files on an HP?
				John McCash
				johnmc@comm.mot.com

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: iversen@dsfys1.fi.uib.no (Per Steinar Iversen)
Subject: Ethernet interface for HP LJ4
Reply-To: iversen@vsfys1.fi.uib.no
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 13:10:20 GMT



Does anybody know anything about the HP Ethernet card for the HP LJ4? My local 
HP office claims it needs an HP workstation to work. Is this true - what kind of 
print protocols does this card use? Is it some kind of HP-only protocol or 
what?

-psi

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: maguire@cs.columbia.edu (Gerald Q. Maguire)
Subject: HP-HIL mouse + tablet as X pointer devices
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: NA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:37:38 GMT

If you put the following in X0devices:

first   keyboard        keyboard   # first keyboard on loop is X keyboard
first   mouse           pointer    # mouse is an X pointer
first   tablet          other      # graphics tablet is also an X pointer
first   nine_knob       other      # also allow the knobbox to move the pointer

And you have a three button mouse all is fine.

However, if you put the tablet in before the mouse - you loose button2
and button3 mouse events! Or atleast this was my experience under HPUX
8.07. Curiously the order of these options shown in the sample file
(/etc/newconfig/X0devices) has the tablet before the mouse.

Another curious mis-feature is that xev is mentioned three times in
"Using the X Window System" (based on a LaserROM/UX search of the June
1, 1992 CD-ROM), but the binary does not seem to be in /usr/bin/X11
nor is the manual page present.  I ran xev on a remote system with a
window on the local system and quickly found that there were no button
events for other than the first button.

Sent in the interest of helping others avoid this problem. [Which was
caused when I set things up to use a tablet to enter splines in
FrameMaker.(this works fine)]

I have not received 9.0 executable (but have several documentation
disks) so have not checked if the above has been fixed.

Chip
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: matcsp@nuscc.nus.sg (Chan Shih-Ping)
Subject: Help: <stdarg.h> and gcc
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:45:54 GMT

Machine is HP 9000/720 running HP-UX 8.05.

When I compile a program using <stdarg.h> and the pre-built gcc2.3.2 from
ftp.csc.liv.ac.uk, there is an external symbol __builtin_va_start which
is undefined. This causes the link to fail. An object file created using
the HP compiler in ANSI mode does not have the external symbol defined.

How can I get gcc to expand the va_start macro correctly?

/* Code fragment */
void fatal(char  *str, ...)
{
	va_list valist;

	va_start(str, valist); 
/* Under gcc the preceding line defines a symbol __builtin_va_start */
/* No such symbol using cc -Aa */
	vfprintf(stderr, str, valist);
	va_end(valist);
	exit(1);
}
Thanks for any help that you can give. I would really like to get gcc
working.

From: perry@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Perry Scott)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:59:48 GMT
Subject: Re: HP 7xx problem with virtual memory (thrashing)
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

>I have found a serious deficiency with the HP-UX memory management and
>was wondering if anyone else has seen this problem: whenever a process
>require more memory than the amount of physical RAM that the system has,
>the HP-UX operating system (8.05,8.07 & 9.0) start ``thrashing'', a
>term HP uses to mean that the disk continues to swap indefinately
>while the process makes no progress!  
>
>Brian K. Pheiffer
>bkp@csi.com

We fixed a problem similar to this in 9.0 but apparently you've found
another instance.  :-( I have forwarded this to the kernel team.  Has
this been reported to the Response Center yet?  (It sounds like it has.)

Perry Scott
HP Ft Collins
perry@fc.hp.com
From: jincai@muskat.usc.edu (Jincai Chang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Compile ghostscript 2.5.2 on HP 9000/720 (help needed)
Date: 8 Jan 1993 17:09:06 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: muskat.usc.edu
Keywords: ghostscript, HP 720, HP-UX 8.05

Trying to build the new version of ghostscript (2.5.2) on our HP 720,
I have difficulty compiling one particular file "gdevmem1.c."  Lines
in "gdevmem1.c" with "chunk_bit_mask" give an error message "Unexpected
symbol: uint."

I'm using an HP 720 and HP_UX 8.05.  I have compiled ghostscript 2.3
successfully. 

Any help is greatly appreciated!


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: cc(1) bug in 9.0
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:05:11 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1993Jan8.122700.18581@julian.uwo.ca> zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey) writes:

>since updating to 9.0 on my 822/S, I have found the c compiler to complain
>about options which i do not use:

>$ cat hello.c
>#include <stdio.h>
>main()
>{    printf("hem hem hem, hello world\n");
>     exit(0);
>}
>$
>$ cc hello.c
>cc: warning 422: Unknown option "O" ignored.
>cc: warning 422: Unknown option "0" ignored.
>cc: warning 422: Unknown option "A" ignored.
>cc: warning 422: Unknown option "c" ignored.
>$
>$ a.out
>hem hem hem, hello world
>$

>the compile finishes and loads, but why is the compiler complaining about 
>options "0OAc" when i do not use them. there is no CCOPTS in my environment.

Please issue the commands "uname -a" and "what /bin/cc".  If the uname
command correctly indicates you are on 9.0, and if the what(1) shows
the version of /bin/cc to be A.08.xx (most likely, A.08.17), please
get in touch with your HP support contact -- probably the Response Center.

This problem has been reported to HP under service request 5003-102673.
If the versions identify as above, the Response Center should be able to 
help you with this problem.

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 Internet:  mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com
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From: symanzik@pigeon.egr.msu.edu (Edward Symanzik)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: How to server clients over more than one LAN? (summary)
Date: 11 Jan 1993 15:18:16 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pigeon.egr.msu.edu

In article <1icqn1INNiel@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> I wrote:
: We have an HP 720 running HPUX 8.05 with two LAN cards.  We
: would like to serve cnodes over both cards.  However, in
: "Managing Clusters" in "Setting Up the Network" it says:
:
:   o  All cluster nodes (all members of the cluster) must be on
:      a single LAN.
:
: Now, this sounds like a pretty straight answer to me.  My boss
: on the other hand doesn't believe it and would like me to make
: it work anyway.


Thanks for all the replies.  I haven't heard back from our
contact at HP but the response has been unanimous agreement with 
the manual.

It seems that DUX doesn't support multiple LANs.  It's a basic
design thing and isn't likely to change.

Thanks again,

Ed Symanzik
Michigan State University
symanzik@egr.msu.edu
From: pjw@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Pam Williams)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:05:47 GMT
Subject: Re: Disk partitioning/layout (Was: New 877 Installation)
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp


Yes, HP-UX 9.0 should solve this problem.

Logical Volume Manager (LVM) is an option at install time.  With LVM,
root, swap, dump, and any other filesystem can be made any size as
long as it is on a MByte boundary.  (Okay, I believe there are limitations
on the low end of swap and root, ie, I think root must be at least
50MB and swap must be at least 16...)

As a matter of fact, with LVM, we recommend that you make / (root) as small
as comfortable (the default is 104 MB I believe).   This is because /usr,
/tmp, etc (all filesystems except root) can be extended.  

LVM is the direction we're taking to solve the partition problem...   

Note, however, the LVM is currently only available on HP-UX 9.0 and is
only available on the S800.   In the future, you'll see LVM on the S700
also.

Hope this provides the functionality you are looking for.  I too have been
bitten by the limits of hard partitioning.

Regard,

Pam

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: wk@cup.hp.com (Wayne Krone)
Subject: Re: pr -n <file doesn't work in HP-UX 9
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 06:28:36 GMT
Organization: HP-UX Kernel Lab, Cupertino
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Col. G. L. Sicherman (gls@cbnewsh.cb.att.com) wrote:
: 
: It ignores the -n.  But "pr -n file" works correctly.

I experimented with this a little (but didn't look at the code) and it
appears any pr command line will work properly as long as "-n" does not
end the command line.

	pr -n -l60 <file		# works properly
	pr -l60 -n <file		# no line numbers

A defect report has been logged.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: sysdave@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (David L. Walsh)
Subject: Fbackup to compressed DAT drive
Summary: fbackup not working properly with compressed DAT drive
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 14:42:25 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville
Keywords: compressed DAT fbackup

I have a DAT tape drive with built in compression.  I have created the necessary
device files to use the tape drive in compression enabled mode.   When I use
TAR with the tape drive it appears to be compressing properly.  However
when using fbackup the tape does not appear to operate with compression
enabled.  Does anyone have any ideas? 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: system@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (System Admin (Mike Peterson))
Subject: Re: HP 7xx problem with virtual memory (thrashing)
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: comp.sys.hp
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:49:58 GMT

In article <C0E6xu.E77@fc.hp.com> jk@fc.hp.com (John Kessenich) writes:
>    That the system thrashes means the amount of memory the CPU touches in a
>    short amount of time is larger than the amount of physical memory
>    available.  The main variables are the amount of available memory (less
>    means more thrashing), the speed of the CPU (faster means more
>    thrashing), the size of the process (smaller means less thrashing),
>    speed of paging devices (faster/more discs means less thrashing), and
>    the access pattern of the process (more locality means less thrashing).
>    These will vary considerably from system to system, and knowing which
>    one changes when performance changes requires some work.

Some added data: after boot, and for several days, the system would
report that about 60 MB of our 128 MB was "free". After that, the "free"
memory would decline slowly, until the system would become useless
when about 5 MB or less was free. The number of processes remained more
or less the same (i.e. not a huge number of defunct/zombies eating
memory), and no task would show more "SIZE" than it would when the
system was booted. It seems there is a black hole for memory; we have
one program which may not be well-behaved about returning malloc'ed
memory, but the system MUST recover all such memory when the process
dies no matter how screwed up the process becomes.
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 *******   As usual, I speak only for me, myself and I; nobody else   *******
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From: "richard hajinlian" <richard.hajinlian@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: ipcget netipc replace
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:30:06 EST
Reply-To: "richard hajinlian" <richard.hajinlian@channel1.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

How do I obtain the same functionality of socket descriptor
functionality of ipcget.... (NETipc functions) within the MPEix os?

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks 'o bunch.
--
Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA

From: dr@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Dick Rupp)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:33:14 GMT
Subject: Opinions Wanted on Optimizer Options
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
From: system@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (System Admin (Mike Peterson))
Subject: Re: utils wanted: talk[d], gcc, printcap->lpadmin, tip, slip
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:48:07 GMT

In article <21160@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> cccbrian@othello.ucdavis.edu (Brian C Hill) writes:
>
>	I am looking for several utilities for 9000/400's running 
>7.0 and 8.0. I have checked the faq, but it makes no reference to 
>any of them:
>	b) A talk and talk daemon for the hp.
>	
>	e) xbiff - not that big a deal. Trying to compile X11r4
>	programs outside of the sources can be a big hassle.

I put these on the iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu ftp node a while ago. Do NOT
try to use talk that has not be modified to deal with the HP-UX utmp
file structure, although it will appear to work for a while.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: system@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (System Admin (Mike Peterson))
Subject: Re: /etc/rc
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:22:29 GMT

In article <28267@dog.ee.lbl.gov> mario@cad4.lbl.gov (mario aranha) writes:
>I've been trying to start some software license
>daemons automatically at boot on a 700/8.07 by
>calling them in the localrc() function in /etc/rc.
>Localrc() does get called by /etc/rc at boot but
>nothing within localrc() seems to be executed when
>the system is rebooted.

Try sticking a "sleep 10" command in there at the end - when the /etc/rc script
exits, it kills all its child processes, so you need to make sure
that all your processes have time to get rid of their parent process
(and all your processes have to do that - they must be true daemons if
they don't complete before returning control).
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From: kumarr@hparc0.aus.hp.com (Kumar Rangan)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:01:22 GMT
Subject: Re: New Wave Mail?
Organization: HP New Zealand - way down under..
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

paul@eye.com (Paul B. Booth) writes:
: Is anybody familiar with this product?  I need to tie a few PC's into the unix
: net (9000/700's mostly) for file sharing and email.  So far, ncsa telnet or
: FTP's pc/tcp have done a great job for file sharing, but neither has a viable
: email client (I know, pc/tcp has vmail, but the interface is a bit weak).
: Recently, someone mentioned an hp New Wave mail client that speaks smtp, but
: I've not yet tracked down anyone who knows anything about it.  Anybody in
: netland using this puppy?  Any _other_ suggestions for a decent smtp email
: client for a pc?   Any wisdom is deeply appreciated.
NewWave Mail requires newwave on the PC, and openMail on the server. It is the 
client interface to OpenMail. Therefore if u're not usiong openMail on the
server, or dont have newwave on the PC, NewWave Mail will not work.
There is a windows based client also for OpenMail. Email me if u want more info.

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