From: tonyf@rd1.interlan.com (Tony Fernandez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: SEC East shoots itself in the foot
Date: 7 Nov 92 16:40:06 GMT
Organization: Racal-Milgo, Sunrise, Florida

In article <1992Nov5.182357.3295@b11.b11.ingr.com>, mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell) writes:
>In article <398@rd1.interlan.com> tonyf@rm1.interlan.com (Tony Fernandez) writes:
>>I can't believe you guys are still upset about this.  
(about Miami not joining the SEC even though they were never invited)
>
>    I, for one, am not upset at all about this.  I *am* a little
>weary of hearing how everyone in the world trembles at the prospect
>of facing the fading canes.
>

Well, how else do you explain Miami's inability to schedule good teams to
home and home series?  Next year home schedule outside of Syracuse absolutely
stinks!  They do play on the road FSU and Colorado. 

>>First of all, the
>>SEC never, NEVER invited Miami to join.  In fact, they were so concerned 
>>with getting FSU that they never considered Miami until after FSU had joined
>>the ACC.  By that time, the Big East had already approached Miami and
>>everything was pretty much settled.  And don't forget that basketball was
>>a big reason why Miami wanted to join a conference.  
>
>    And, as I indicated, Miami got the type of conference they were
>shopping for.  But of course (in your best Wizard of Oz intonation) you
>can't blame the canes, you can't blame the canes, you can't...

Sarcasm or not, I don't see how you can blame the Canes for that.  

>
>>And as for dominating a conference, if you take a look at the polls, you will
>>notice that there are 3 Big East teams in the Top 10.  And how many SEC teams
>>are in the Top 10?  Just 1, 
>
>    Well, there is "just 1" that really matters to me anyway.  It
>just so happens that that "1" is the same you are talking about. 
>There were more SEC teams in the top 10 during the year but other
>SEC teams have knocked them out.  Business as usual in the SEC.
>
>>and what is more impressive is that the SEC has
>>12 teams, while the Big East has only 8 teams.
>
>    I must say that the impressiveness of this one (as well as the
>relevance) totally escapes me.  What does it matter how many teams
>the Big Easy has?

What I meant was that the Big East having 3 out of 8 teams in the top 10 is
more impressive than the SEC having 1 out of 12.  The fact that the SEC
has more teams from which to pick makes the Big East accomplishments more
impressive.

As for saying that the SEC would have more teams in the Top 10 if it wasn't
for other SEC teams knocking them out, the same applies to the Big East 
and all conferences.  And before someone brings up the fact the the Big
East doesn't have a full round-robin schedule please note that the Big
East will still play proportionaly more conference games than the SEC.
The SEC plays 8*12/2=48 conference games out of a possible 11*12/2=66 for a 
73 percent coverage. The Big East plays 21 conference games out of a possible
7*8/2=28 for a 75 percent coverage.

As for it being relevant, it refers to a comment you made in the post I was
replying to (since deleted) in which you claimed that Miami didn't join the
SEC because they wanted to join a conference they could dominate.  That 
point was given to show that the SEC is not any tougher than the BE.  

>
>    Coming to the SEC would have given them the chance to eventually
>play *all* of the SEC in a home and home series.  Once again though,
>there in only your accusation that "those schools have refused time
>and time again to play Miami in any sort of home and home series." 
>Where are the facts?  Has Miami tried to play Alabama in a home and
>home series?  I honestly don't know but, as I indicated before, I
>seriously doubt that Alabama would have declined.  Why should a
>school with the tradition of Alabama refuse to play an upstart?

They are afraid of losing?  Sorry, couldn't resist.

>This is (hopefully) the face of things to come; the battles
>will be fought within the conferences and the winners will meet in a
>playoff system in which a true national champion can be crowned
>instead of a "mythical" one as it is now.

Well, that I agree with.  Although, I still like to see out of conference
games between good teams.  

>
>>I can't wait.  I just hope the Sugar Bowl people don't invite ND again 
>>instead.  
>
>   Me too.  And I hope Miami won't elect to stay home and try and
>extend their home winning streak.
>

If Alabama is undefeated, and Miami is invited to the Sugar Bowl they will
be there.  

>    Yes, I know.  You can't blame the canes, you can't blame the
> canes, you can't blame...

Well, this year there will be no doubt as to whose fault it is.

>Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com

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