HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: guo@ecf.toronto.edu (GUO David Wei)
Subject: Re: What  can we learn from this asia cup?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:10:41 GMT

In article <1dni16INN49n@aludra.usc.edu> yongkang@usc.edu (Yongkang Tang) writes:
>
>today i saw the 'People Daily', which talked about the the match between
>China and Japan. From that , i knew we lost the game at the situation of 
>11:10 , the japanese goalkeeper was driven off. and also we scored at the 
>first minute.
>even so, those guys could not defend very well, and the other goal was only 
>due to the mistake of their substituted goalkeeper.
>
>I was so disappointed. finally, japan won the champion , beating S. Arabia.
>How can japanese do that, but chinese can't?
>Why? Why?
>

Because, this year is weird.  Look:

African Champion:  Ivory Coast

Europen Champion:  Danmark

Asian   Champion:  Japan

A year of upside down, that's why.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hchu@nynexst.com (Harry Chu)
Subject: Re: Looking for High School classmates
Reply-To: hchu@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 16:17:23 GMT

In article 8eyfSru00ioWAuXF0T@andrew.cmu.edu, Tieju Chen <tc2u+@andrew.cmu.edu> () writes:
> Thanks Jim,
> 
>    You Maybe right. I am not sure the correct Translation. I heard that
> TaiShang( TaiSun ) has been upgraded to a city, eventhough it still
> belongs to TaiSun county. Do you know anyone from there?
> 
> tie ju chen

I think the correct translation is TaiShan.  It has recently been upgraded from
a county to a city.  So TaiShan is now a city, not a county, and it does not belong
to a county.  A county is a smaller unit than a city.


Harry Chu




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From: mickeyc@usops.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Mickey Cheng)
Subject: Looking for Tsing Hua classmates in LA area
Organization: AMGEN Inc.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:39:18 GMT

	Hi folks, I am 1980-1985 Tsing Hua Univ computer science graudate. I
recently relocated from central New York to LA area. I am wondering if there are
my former classmates in LA. If you know anyone who is, please let him/her to
send me a mail. Thanks.

						Mingyan Cheng
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Subject: Re: What is the different? (not about beer & wine)
From: <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 19:37:52 EST
Organization: Penn State University
Supersedes: <92313.145059SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>

In article <BxE8Kt.L2F@news.orst.edu>, wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao) says:
>
>In China few people end up as alcoholics, eventhough no one
>tries to prevent such thing so badly; but in the US, though
>the media, and schools try to keep children away from drink,
>there still are many become alcoholics.

   Well, if you get a real life in "lower or middle" class in China,
  you may find the alcoholics is also common. I use to stay in a
  village when  my parent was "Xiao4 Fang4", the major event
  at night is having "Lao3 bai2 Gan1". Almost all  the kids in the
  village  start to drink in their childhood. It's like  a sign
  of manhood, if you don't drink, you are lack of masculinity.
  Thanks to the culture revolution, I was so use to drink that
  I never got drunk in my later business career.

>Is this caused by cultural difference, biological difference,
>or economic difference?  Would there be more alcoholics in
>China, if all Chinese can get paid as much as Americans?
>Is it true that when a person has nothing to worry about, he
>tends to make some stupid decisions, such as drinking?

  Even people get less paid in China, the acohol consumption
  level is probably as high as in US. The only difference is
  people in China has less harm on society since most people
  doesn't have car. I remember when I was working in a factory,
  women feel  happy that their husbands get drunk, which mean
  they can not gamble   or beat wife that night.

>
>Welcome all kinds of opinion.
      My suggestion to all the netters: Go out to drink at least
      once a week, you may learn a lot in the bar as you learn
      in a class. As matter of fact, a   bar is a shrinked society.
      you may meet some people out there whom you may never know.

>
>Wen
>
From: enke@merit.edu (Enke Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Help: China contact person in Detroit
Date: 7 Nov 1992 03:17:43 GMT
Organization: Merit Network, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: home.merit.edu

Hi, All:
I remember that after the 6.4.90, the INS designated a contact person
at each district office to handle cases related to Chinese nationals.
A friend of mine is in urgent need  of the name and phone number of 
such contact person in the Detroit INS office. If you still have the
list (which was posted in the net) or any information, please contact
me at: enke@merit.edu or call me.

Thanks for your attention.

-- Enke Chen
   University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
   enke@merit.edu
   313-764-0294 (work)
   313-763-8480 (home)
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From: pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Bush has nothing to lose
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:00:00
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: espresso.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: 's message of Thu, 5 Nov 1992 10:52:57 EST

    From: <PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu>
    
    Fifty million people were celebrating Bush's defeat in Iraq.

How many people Iraq has?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: anthony@phys.psu.edu (Mai Haigiu)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 02:55:33 GMT

In article <Bx83H6.DyA@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>
>As a Chinese, are you jealous to American who have voting right.
>The huge country, however are only full of slaves whose fate
>are in the hand of the non-consented few.
>
>What a misery!
>
>Shame on you, Chinese!

No, not as what you said. I do not feel jealous but sadness. In China the
people are all equal. I do not feel as a slave. But in America here every
thing remind me that I am a foreigner and I DO NOT have any of the rights
the Americans have. (I do not mean the vote because I do not think we should
have the right of vote). It is here that I feel more like a slave than I do
in China. I was supressed in China. But I am supressed more here in USA.

Shame on all those Chinese who celebrate Bill Cliton's victory! What's your
business? What Bill Cliton will do to you: a Non US citizen Chinese? Don't
forget where's your home!

--HAMLET
From: hchen@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Xiang Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: More news?
Date: 9 Nov 1992 04:56:29 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: hchen@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

 
Is these any more detailed news about Asian Soccer Cup ?

Please post it, thank you in advance!
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From: wing@pegasus.com (Wing Ng)
Subject: Support Democracy in Hong Kong
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:05:26 GMT

I urge "all people of good will to support the further democratization
of Hong Kong".
 
A previous version sent out omitted some sponsoring organizations.
 
Wing
 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
 
                        For Immediate Release
 
                                               November 1, 1992
 
At the third Annual General Meeting of the Alliance of Hong Kong
Chinese in the United States, recent constitutional development in
Hong Kong was extensively discussed and the meeting unanimously
adopted the following resolution.
 
Whereas the Alliance strongly support the longstanding aspiration of
the Hong Kong people for a high degree of autonomy and democracy, we
feel the recent constitutional revisions proposed by Governor
Christopher Patten are small steps in the right direction.  The
provisions to broaden the electorate for the functional constituencies
and to have an Election Committee composed mainly of members from the
directly-elected District Boards in no way contravene the letter or
spirit of the Sino-British Joint Declaration or the Hong Kong Basic 
Law.  These proposals, however, still fall far short of the wish of 
the Hong Kong people.  We especially regret the lack of progress in 
the number of directly elected seats. 
 
The Alliance further believe that the seven letters exchanged between 
Britain and China in 1990 do not constitute a secret agreement between
the two countries, and in any case such an agreement violates the
principles of openness, fairness, and autonomy of the Hong Kong
people.  We also deplore blatant threats made recently by Chinese
govern[Y7: officals on the future of Hong Kong.
 
We appeal to the Hong Kong Legislative Council to shoulder their
responsibility and speedily pass the package of constitutional
revisions proposed by Governor Patten and urge all people of good will
to support the further democratization of Hong Kong.
 
 
For further information please contact Ms Anita Ng at (617)647-0695.
 
The above statement is endorsed by the Alliance of Hong Kong Chinese
in the United States and its members:
 
Alliance for a Democratic Hong Kong (Honolulu, HI)
Association of Overseas Hong Kong Chinese for Democracy and Human Rights 
   (Cambridge, MA)
Club Bauhinia (San Jose, CA)
Federation of Overseas Hong Kong Chinese - DC (Washington, DC)
Hong Kong Forum (Alhambra, CA)
Hong Kong Prospect (New York, NY)
Hong Kong Students and Scholars Society, Columbia University (New York, NY)
Hong Kong China Observer (Minneapolis, MN)
Overseas Hong Kong Chinese for a Democratic China (Urbana, IL)
Support Democracy in China (Cupertino, CA)
UCLA Hong Kong Student Union (Westwood Plaza, CA)
Wisconsin Hong Kong Students for China Democracy (Madison, WI)
From: kzhang@cisco.com (Kui Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Anniversary for the Halloween Tragedy in University of Iowa
Date: 12 Nov 1992 00:03:05 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems, Incorporated
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: lager.cisco.com

In article <BxBtuq.E46@nic.umass.edu>, s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203) writes:
|> In article <BxBKIG.8rH@acsu.buffalo.edu> ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ziniu Wei) writes:
|> >
|> >I just read the current Chinese Magazine (CND-CM) cm9210z.  There is only one
|> >long article about the bloody Halloween last year at University of Iowa.  It is
|> >a very worthy article.
|> >
|> >It was the first time I know so many details about the event.  If you havn't
|> >seen it yet, you'd better get the CND-CM to read it.
|> >
|> 
|> After going through the report, a questin arose: how did the author know
|> what Lu Gang did and thought at given time and place? Maybe the author
|> should clarify this.
|> 
|> 

I guess major sources of this article are local newspapers (e.g U of Iowa's school
paper).

.kui

P.S: IMHO, a good article.



 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:57:12 EDT
From: <3066211@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday in English
 <1992Nov10.050827.13940@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>

>
>In article <BxHByy.6FC@cmcl2.nyu.edu> memco@cns.nyu.edu writes:
>>
>>       I've noticed that a number of families will sing
>>Happy Birthday in  English, phonetically if they don't speak
>>the language. Isn't there either a translation of the song
>>or some traditional song to take it's place?
>>
>>---
>>memco@wotan.cns.nyu.edu
>
>This is an interesting question. When we celebrated our friend's b-day
>in university, we all sing the English "happy birthday". There *is* a
>direct Chinese translation of the song(sure you'll figure it out) and
>we did sing the Chinese version as well. We never sang any other songs
>for this occasion(at least not when you blow out the candles or cut the cakes,
>etc.) We did sing "Honey you walk bravely ahead" but that's after we got
>drunk.
>
>Now I am sure there are netters old enough or of rural background who can
>tell what they sing on b-day. Hope these songs wouldn't become extinct!
>(Gee another cultural invasion by the deadly imperialist US of A.
>How do we counterstrike?)

Chinese do not celiberate birth, we celeberate death. Because birth brings you
to the suffering world, while only death takes you to the heaven. When Chinese
"celiberate" their "older" birthday, that is when they reachtheir fiftieth or
older age, they celiberate not because of the birth, but because their closer
to the death. We have beautiful music for the celiberation of death, I believe
you must know some of it. This is real Chinese culture. Of course some rich
Chinese also celiberate their children's birth's days. They want to have more
children, especially male children to carry on and develop their richness. But
their effort definitely will be in vain, because every person will die and ever
y penny will go away in the end. That's secondary culture in China. What I said
 is about traditional Chines culture. Maybe they have been abandoned by many
Chinese already.



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From: mece2az@rosie.uh.edu (Sun, Xiaohua)
Subject: Re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:02:00 GMT

In article <73916@hydra.gatech.EDU>, ph279sw@prism.gatech.EDU (FR SIGING WEI) writes...
>In article <92310.154551PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>  >IFCSS claimed that "on behalf of 50,000 Chinese students" it congratulated
>  >the president elected. Even only 43% of registered voters voted him, how
>  >shameless IFCSS claimed all of 50K Chinese students have the same voice ?
> 
>Hay, are you brain damaged or what, even Bush/Perot congratulated Bill
>(thoough I am not a big fan of his), what's wrong with IFCSS' move?!
> 
 To be fair, I think IFCSS made a good move, same as Bush and Perot did. 
 Another issure is you basiclly have the choice of going with the winner/loser
 /nobody. If you want to go with the loser or go by yourself, that is fine.
From: ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ziniu Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Anniversary for the Halloween Tragedy in University of Iowa
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:11:03 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci


I just read the current Chinese Magazine (CND-CM) cm9210z.  There is only one
long article about the bloody Halloween last year at University of Iowa.  It is
a very worthy article.

It was the first time I know so many details about the event.  If you havn't
seen it yet, you'd better get the CND-CM to read it.

I think it can be a new topic to discuss.

            /|
           / |		
          /  |		Ziniu Wei
    _____/___|_____	Center of Excellence of Document Analysis (CEDAR)
   /    /    /    /	Department of Computer Science 
  /    /    /    /	State University of New York at Buffalo
 /____/____/____/	
      |   /
      |  /		Internet: ziniuwei@cs.buffalo.edu
      | /		
      |/		
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From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:52:32 GMT

In article <Bx9An3.B06@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin) writes:

>   Let him "Sha1 Pao1 Niao4" and look inside.
>

I looked inside, I have the same skin as you do. If you have voting
right, I too should have it. Because we were born in the same country
and therefore supposedly have the same citizenship. I never voted,
therefore I thought you neither.

If that is not true, tell me your story. Else, your emotion is irrational.
From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: [week] when does a week start
Date: 8 Nov 92 14:14:05 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Nov8.011435.19952@leland.Stanford.EDU> chungdan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zhong Qi Iao (Daniel)) writes:
>
>     [Temas pri la komenco de la semajno.]
>
>     Most people think that a week starts on Sunday, right?  They

No, I've always believed it would start on Monday (still not sure whether its
right or not, but its just my opinion)

>look at their wall calendars from China and England and the U.S.A. and
>say ah! it must start on Sunday.  But it actually starts on Monday.
>How come China is so slow in knowing it and changing its calendars?

CHINA?? Is this a joke?? Why do you think we call Monday XING QI _YI_???

>					*Zhong* Qi-Iao (Mr.)

NW
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From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Sorry, Mr.Jaremaye Rambeau
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:20:07 GMT

In article <13NOV199214442136@rosie.uh.edu> math1pf@rosie.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping) writes:
>Please excuse me Mr.Jeramey Rambeau.

It is always a good idea to assume you are wrong. Certainly Mr.
Zheng Ping is not qualified as even the assistant of Holmes. 

Even Mr. Rambeau was criticizing my article, I do respect him
for his good wishes to the Chinese people.

Mr. Rambeau is certainly better than those who senselessly ordered
the killing of students in Tiananmen Square.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu (Tuya)
Subject: Re:  Translation of Jiang1Hu2
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:46:30 GMT

          1.  If we use greenwoods for jiang1 Hu2, then what do we use
          for Luu4 lin2?

          2.  "yi1 suo1 yan1 yu3 ren4 ping2 sheng1"
              ( One raincoat, in rain, I let myself go at will )

          jiang1 hu2 has a lot of bitterness as well as gallant spirit
          in it.

          3.  Also has a lot of shi4 dai4 fu1 air in it.  Let us
          recite this:

              ren2 sheng1 zai4 shi4 bu4 shi3 yi4,
              ming1 zhao1 san4 fa3 nong4 bian3 zhou1.

              ( When you feel tasteless in life, go to play a boat in
                lakes. )

          Tu Ya
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: carl_@nwu.edu 
Subject: Re: Zhou En-lai and his characters
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:56:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.122657@IASTATE.EDU> zeng@IASTATE.EDU (Shaohui Zeng)  
writes:
> I would like to know something more about Zhou. I am impressed by the fact 
> that he was loved by so many people. Even Mao did not achieved this. When
> Zhou died in 1976, I was a child. I was curious why so many person wept for
> his death. My parent wept at home. I don't think this was only to show to 
> anybody. 

I don't think Chinese really loved him. They just used this event to express  
their unsatisfactory and anger towards the government then. I don't think a lot  
of Chinese have a clear idea about what a particular leader/senior government  
official is. Take Zhao Ziyang and Hu Yaobang for example. Many Chinese did not  
like them until they died or stepped down. Zhao was first attacked by students  
for curruption. Later, he is miraculously supported by the students and others.
So, it is the goverment and system that people dislike. As long as you are  
kicked out of that system, people start to show sympathy and support.

Similar things are happening in Russia too.

> Is it really because his unselfish that he was loved, revered ? I don't think
> this is the only answer. As I know, In the Red Army year, Zhou was head of 
> "Te4 Ke1", whose task is to execute traitors and sabotage. Nixon gave some
> viewpoint about Zhou in his famous book. One character of Zhou, I think there
> will be little doubt, is cunning.
> I will appreciate it if anyone can contribute more about Zhou.
> 

I feel pity for Zhou. He was abused by Mao. He lived like a dog.

Carl
From: Carl__@nwu.edu 
Subject: Re: Green Woods (was Re: Translation of Jiang1 Hu2)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:41:24 GMT

In article <101802@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
> BTW, some netters may have decided not to donate to SOS China Education
> Fund and feel offended by my signature. One has sent me email calling my
> signature f**king. I feel sorry for such feeling and temporarily took
> it off. However, I still believe a few dollars' donation will help poor
> kids a lot, and one may feel better after he tried to help. So, please
> don't feel offended by my signature even if you don't want to donate.
> 
> -- 
> The SOS China Education Fund is a non-political, non-profit and independent
> organization to raise money promoting the education in rural China. All  
donations
> are tax-deductable. Make checks or money orders payable to: "SOS China  
Education
> Fund"; c/o Jie KANG, 2610 E. 5th Pl, Apt. 1, Tulsa, OK74104, USA.

Lix, you know there is a gap between old and young generations. Sometimes a  
youngster offended an older gentleman not because that gentleman is wrong but  
because the youngster could not stand the older gentleman's attitude. I used to  
deliberately defy my dad and my uncle just because I did not like their way of  
talking (not because their points). So, please forgive those youngsters.

By the way, if you really want to make your lectures effective, you'd better  
keep in mind that most of CSS are young.

Carl
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From: awu@mipos3.intel.com (Allen Wu)
Subject: Re: Interesting
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:29:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.221052.57945@qut.edu.au>, weig@qut.edu.au writes...
>
>
>A friend, after reading some posts on SCC, told me:
>It is realy interesting, you see, their English is better than ours though
>they are from a non-English-speaking country; there more democrata nation
> rulled by dictatorship.
>
>I ... agree, but I can't explain why.
>

I don't know if the English writings of CSS is better than Aussies or Americans,but considering the freqency of personal attack on SCC, I really doubt the CSS
are more democratic.  I would think of weig@qut.edu.au's message as sarcasm.
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