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From: zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: The Deserving Heisman?
Keywords: n
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:02:11 GMT

>
>Based on what I know, it was wrong to take the towel.  Whether or not the
>player kept the towel is irrelevent to the issue.
>
true enough
 
>>          But you can hear many different stories, I don't put a lot of faith
>>in any of them, from A&M players or ND players, they are always skewed.
>>Do they teach you to make judgments about people and incidents that you have
>>no direct knowledge of other than rumors?( I feel that even Tim probably skewed
>>the story into his favored, no not lied just rearranged a bit.)
>
>I was at the game and saw a player take something that didn't belong to him.
>I saw another player react in an inappropriate way.  I think the second
>players reaction was more understandable than the first players instigation.
>I don't know how much more I need to know to judge this situation.
>The reason I responded to your post was because I thought your were not only
>trying to "understand" the 12th man's actions, but to defend them as being
>right.  I felt obligated to say something.
>I grant you that while the Aggie special teams were actually playing football,
>their performance was exemplary.
>
there is one element that all of you guys have overlooked.  The 12th Man
players are accustomed to having their towels ripped off, esp by SWC
rivals.  The player taking the towel didn't think any more of it than
that.  This doesn't make it right, but that was the frame of mind.  "oh
my towel got ripped off again"--trot to the sideline and get a new one...

what is correct and what you are accustomed too are usually different things.

cmuck
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Beat by Notre Dame (and not on the field)
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:44:12 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) wrote:
}
}Really?  I thought it would have.  Maybe that was just in its original form.  
}Who was #2 that year?  Also, I though West Virginia entered the Fiesta ranked 
}#3.

WV may have been #3 going in rather than #4 (in fact I think it depends
which poll you look at), but Miami was #2.  Hence the BA would have
set up a Notre Dame-Miami rematch instead of the WV-Notre Dame defacto
championship game.  (Who knows, though, the BA may actually influence
the voters now that it is in place.  People might have been more apt to
rate WV #2 that year if they knew it would lead to a matchup of unbeatens
in a bowl game.)

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
 "When some cold tomorrow finds you, when some subtle dream reminds you,
  and the endless road unwinds you, while you see a chance, take it ..."
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From: robertd@ecs.comm.mot.com (Robert Day)
Subject: Re: I do, but do you..
Organization: control_centers
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:32:10 GMT


In <1992Jul23.183946.22948@alw.nih.gov> ravi@alw.nih.gov (Ravi Boddapati) writes:

>I hate Notre Dame and its football team!  I was wondering howmany others
>share the same feelings.  Ofcourse, you don't have to have a valid reason
>for hating something or somebody.

>So, I have come up with an idea.  Let's make a survey on the net and see
>the general feelings towards Notre Dame.

>All you have to do is add your name under the appropriate column below.
>I would be glad to summarize the results, later.


>I hate Notre Dame				I don't
>*****************			*********************
>Ravi Boddapati - ravi@helix.nih.gov	


>No flames please.
 
"No flames please" ?!?!?! Sorry pal, when you post an incendiary
post like this you've got to expect some flames.  If you don't have a 
valid reason to hate "something or somebody"  why do you feel the 
need to share that hate with everyone else?  I don't like beets, but
I don't post to rec.food.vegetables saying "I hate beets!" I imagine 
you must have some wonderfully insightful discussions with pro Notre 
Dame people.

Ravi: I hate Notre Dame!

Anybody: Why?

Ravi: Because!

BTW, you can put me in the I don't column.

Rob

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From: creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Creps)
Subject: Re: Ag Jokes (was Re: The Deserving Heisman?)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:46:40 GMT

In article <9926@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
>Hey, now! This looks like an acceptable (Hoosiers are Gods!) topic for

                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   No, just ordinary men, but well-respected the world around.

>discussion (ND can't hold Hoosier's jocks).

   Not that we'd even _want_ them to.

> How about it Steve (I love
>Indiana) Crepps?? Is this authorized? Can we tell Aggie jokes?? I bet

   You have leave to try.

>Goober's got a zillion of 'em. Here, I'll start:
>Didja hear about the Aggie who said he'd give his right arm to be
>ambidextrous?

   I like Purdue jokes, myself.  How about:

Q "What's gold, black, and red, and goes a hundred miles an hour?"
A "A Boilermaker in an electric blender."

-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Steve Creps, Indiana University Hoosiers
1991 Copper Bowl champions
creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
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From: nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan)
Subject: Re: Beer sales at college games
Organization: ^$
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:16:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.140834.28315@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@bronte.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.130007.21872@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
>>
>>  No beer sold at Kyle Field for Aggie games.  Just as well, the thought of
>>a drunken second deck (where most of the upperclassmen are--best seats(?) in
>>the stadium) trying to remain upright while "sawing varsity's horns off"
>>is alternately hilarious and downright scary (like many a Midnight Yell 
>>Practice, come to think of it...)
>>
>
>Everyone who's writing in says that there are no beer sales
>at their perspective college.  Are there any stadiums
>out there that Do serve beer?  Just curious.

 Tulane (Superdome), also in the university cafes. 
 LSU- next year at Alex Box Stadium (baseball- on campus).


>
>
>	Rob


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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: nicknames revisited
Keywords: offensive nicknames
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:29:43 GMT

David Poore writes:

>Redskin was
>historically just that: a racial slur.

I doubt most people realize that.

>Other teams would be Stanford, who used to be the Indians? And recently
>there was another school that changed its name...a smallish school that
>has success in basketball...Xavier maybe?

You must be thinking of Eastern Michigan University who recently changed their 
nickname from Hurons to Eagles.  The students wanted to be the Emus, but the 
administration nixed the idea on the grounds that a flightless bird which 
sticks its head in the ground at the first sign of trouble was not a fitting 
emblem to represent their university.

     - Pat
.
-- 
- Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------
- Department of Chemistry ----------- My imitation Elvis may not be the King --
- The Ohio State University ---------- But baby I'm the next best thing! ------
- pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ------------------------------------------
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From: rbutera@is.rice.edu (Rob Butera)
Subject: Re: Beer sales at college games
Keywords: Head for the mountains.
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:57:11 GMT

In article <4239@equinox.unr.edu>, dirk@wheeler.unr.edu (Dirk Cockrum) writes:
|> In article <64455@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
|> >You can be sure that a stadium in the shadow of the Coca-Cola corporate 
|> >offices sells lots and lots of Coke, Diet Coke, Sprite, and other such
|> >products.
|> 
|> Straight Coke at a football game??!!  Do people actually do that?
|> 

Yeah, but Jeff forgot to point out that the guys selling the Coke at
Grant Field (name shortenened for brevity) advertise it by walking through
the crowd yelling, "Mixers!  Get your mixers here!"   

Besides, that's probably what the guys in the Coke skybox are doing with
their Coke anyway ...

(Longing for a rolling hillside, or mountain, or elevation at ...)
-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu

Posing nude in _Playboy_ was "probably the best time of my life - except for
when I found God." - Jessica Hahn

Go Jackets!
From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: On-Field College Mascots
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:47:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Jul23.154736.16446
Organization: The Ohio State University

Speaking of college mascots, there is one which has never made any sense to me:
The Trojan Horse.  Wasn't it the Trojan Horse that killed the city of Troy?

     - Pat
.
-- 
- Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------
- Department of Chemistry ----------- My imitation Elvis may not be the King --
- The Ohio State University ---------- But baby I'm the next best thing! ------
- pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ------------------------------------------
From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: more nicknames and mascots
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:04:34 GMT
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando

In article <1992Jul22.183244.5818@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.163038.20748@cs.ucf.edu> tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini) writes:
>
>>>I remember hearing on ESPN that the bird is an ibis, supposedly the last
>>>bird to leave before a hurrican hits, and the first to return afterward.
>>>This sounds wonderfully courageous to many, but to me it sounds like a 
>>>pretty stupid bird. :-)
>>>
>>Oh come on now Cliff. I am not against a little poke at the hurricanes
>>every now and then but insult their mascot? You are a Huskie fan for
>>christ sake. At least the stupid ibis doesn't lick himself on the 
>>sidelines. 
>>
>
>Oh come on now Tony. We all know that the Ibis would lick himself in that
>dog-like manner IF HE COULD....wouldnt you? :-)
>
>

So.... Really nice weather we're having, isn't it?

Tony (Just say 'Noles) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
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From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Subject: Re: Woofing
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:03:01 GMT

scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:
>
>jpm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>>I'm curious to know what the story is about "woofing". Exactly when is it safe
>>to woof for your team and avoid the wrath of Oliver's Theorem? 
>
>It is never safe.  The larger the WOOF, the more likely Oli's words
>will bite.  The postulate(Anti-Woof) has also found to be effective.
>Be a gambler and woof all you like.

Actually, Mr. Oliver can see through obvious anti-woofing.  To blatantly
anti-woof only pisses off the woof.gods who think you are making fun of
them, and they will break your heart just to spite you.  The only effective
anti-woof is an honest one.  You just have to *believe* that your team
SDDD (sucks dead donkey dicks, for the unknowing and curious).  Sometimes
even this isn't enough--ref Kamchatka Charlie and the MSU Spartans last
year.

****************************************************************************
Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Truth is a statue, and you are all just 
University of Washington      *   a bunch of pigeons. 
Seattle, WA 98195             *
****************************************************************************
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Beat by Notre Dame (and not on the field)
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:14:45 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan) wrote:
}
}I think Mark mentioned that his stats weren't as good as Quadry's.
}I'd be interested to see a comparison, but one thing to think about:
}What do you think Rocket's stats would be like if he was on a team 
}where there weren't so many other talented people to hand the ball to.
}Notre Dame had so much talent, that they didn't have to depend on one
}player in a one dimensional attack.  I think if he was anywhere else,
}his stats would have been much more impressive ...

Yes, poor Qadry Ismail, having to carry that entire Syracuse team on
his back, touching the ball probably 10 times a game if he's lucky.

My point has been quickly validated:  Notre Dame fans claim that 
Rocket Ismail was the greatest player who ever lived and deserved
the Heisman more than anyone in history, and yet a virtual clone who
plays for someone besides Notre Dame and has better stats is basically
not even worth talking about as a Heisman candidate.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
 "When some cold tomorrow finds you, when some subtle dream reminds you
  how the endless road unwinds you, while you see a chance, take it ..."
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From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Re: Anyone want a list of 92 Colorado Recruits posted?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:51:04 GMT


In article <1992Jul28.151043.16612@ncar.ucar.edu> ethan@earl.scd.ucar.edu (Ethan Alpert) writes:
> 
> Now that we all know how to spell ROBIEE and know exactly where to O-Bowl is
> played lets start talking about the up-coming season. The first issue of
> the Buffalo Sports News has a list of 92 Colorado freshmen recuits.
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Gee, and all the rest of the schools were only allowed to sign about 20.

> Is anyone 
> interested in having me post it?

Naaaahhh.

But, then again, I posted the Rutgers recruits, and they weren't
ranked anything.

> --
> Ethan Alpert  internet: ethan@ncar.ucar.edu | Standard Disclaimer:
> Scientific Visualization Group,             | I represent myself only.
> Scientific Computing Division               |-------------------------------
> National Center for Atmospheric Research, PO BOX 3000, Boulder Co, 80307-3000


-- 
"Listen up son, and pay attention.   |  Bob Dieckmann (rwd@mtfme.att.com)
How ya' gonna learn anything if you  |  GO: Mets (& dear old Rutgers)
always got your head in a book?"     |  I probably should've included smileys.
                -- Foghorn Leghorn   |  **usual disclaimer**
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From: nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan)
Subject: Re: SEC SCHEDULE?
Organization: ^$
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:21:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.172132.18210@usho93.hou281.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.154840.7578@b30.ingr.com> tad@tad.b30.ingr.com writes:
>>In article <1992Jul22.170519.19162@b11.b11.ingr.com>, mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell) writes:
>>
>>|> >>     You guys better find out the time of this one.  Majors and the
>>|> >> team may want to watch it on TV.
>>|> >
>>|>     Try as I might, I can see no "woofing" of any sort in my
>>|> observation.  I was just trying to be helpful.  Besides, who
>>|> mentioned Alabama?  This time.
>>
>>Yes, you're right. There isn't any specific "woofing" in your post.  As a thin 
>>skinned Tennessee fan I read between the lines and saw woofing when there was 
>>none.
>>
>>|> --
>>|> Guy McConnell
>>|> guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com
>                  ^^^^ ^^^
               ^^^
>>
>>Tad Stephens
>>tad@tad.b30.ingr.com
>             ^^^^ ^^^
          ^^^
>
>Intergraph must be flourishing these days if you can afford such liberal
>amounts of net-posting to guys just across the hall!!!!  :o)
>                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  Ah, but you missed the building numbers. Miles apart. ;)
nelson@clunker.b14.ingr.com
               ^^^
>
>-- 
>*************************************************************************
>GEAUX TIGERS!!!!!!!!      | "You may have a city slicker haircut,
>GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!      |  but your heart is shaped like a bowl."
 Agreed!!!!!!!!!!
>James Clyde     LSU '91   |                   -- Frisco Darlin
From: bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Purdue News
Date: 30 Jul 92 08:39:19 GMT
Organization: Purdue University


>Actually, I don't have any.  I'm just so sick and tired of those damn Notre
>Dame and Miami threads that I thought I should add "Purdue" to the list of
>subjects.
>-- 
>
>Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

True, true, true.  Since I'm here at Purdue, maybe I can give some
kind of lowdown on this lowdown excuse for a football team.

Well, jeez, all I hear is that they're practicing.  The qb is supposed
to have a better attitude.  And coach Collett is making his preseason
appearances at dinners, that sort of thing.

I bet Purdon't places about 7th in the conference.

I tell y'all what, I'll scrounge up what I can and tell about this
mediocre (oh those high hopes) team.

Gary Beason
bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu
 
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From: hajel@engin.umich.edu (john hajel)
Subject: Re: Michigan RB's Was: Re: Heisman Poll Update
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 13:38:03 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <BrwHHo.KMz@ais.org> ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston) writes:
>In article <FZS-g+=@engin.umich.edu> hajel@engin.umich.edu (john hajel) writes:
>>In article <cePkRQ600iUyE4qFJX@andrew.cmu.edu> Todd Harris Fletcher <tf0y+@andr
>ew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>>Here are the current standings in the Heisman Poll......
>>>
>[standings deleted]
>>>Tyrone Wheatley, RB   Michigan            15 pts.
>>
>>>Elvis Grbac, QB       Michigan            10 pts.
>>>Ricky Powers, RB      Michigan             4 pts.
>>>Derrick Alexander, WR Michigan             1 pt.
>>
>>Haj
> 
>Haj, you should know the deal on this one.  Ricky is our starter, 
>but Tyrone will see plenty of playing time as should Jesse Johnson. 
>Ty is the most explosive player (74 yd TD against Northwestern and 
>53 yd TD against Washington) of the three and could bump Ricky out 
>of the starting job.  Ricky, despite rushing for over 1,000 yds 
>last season while sharing time with the other two RBs, did not 
>play up to his potential.  He's admitted this himself.  Mo could
>go with Ty as the main RB early in the season if Ricky doesn't 
>play like Mo knows he can.  It wouldn't be without precedent 
>either.  Remember Jon Vaughn?  He had a 28? yd game rushing against 
>UCLA two years ago and lost his job to freshman Ricky later that  
>season.  Of course, he could still perform, but ended up in Mo's dog 
>house.  Btw, Wheatly should be our #1 kick returner this year and 
>could even see action as a receiver.  Who knows, if we don't get 
>decent kicking this year, Ty may even punt and place kick for us. 
>(I highly doubt it, but he has some ability).  
> 

Well.  I already knew most of this.  Don't you think it is funny
that the player with the most (net)Heisman votes for Michigan
doesn't even start.

Maybe they should put WHeatly in as linebacker.  We could use
some speed back there.  We never have fast linebackers.  The
nightmare of seeing Amp Lee running through our defence like
they were standing still, haunts me to this day.

John Hajel
From: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell)
Subject: Re: NEWS: Notre Dame broadcasts dumped for SEC games
Originator: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:06:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.234549.1377@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jpm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>
>I've noticed in today's USA Today that some NBC affilieates have dropped
>broadcasts of Notre Dame football to pick up Jefferson-Pilots syndicated SEC
>package.  It says here thea New Orleans, Tampa, Louisville, Chattanooga,
>Memphis, and Montgomery have done so.  NBC has picked up other independent
>stations in the Nashville, Chattanooga, and Tampa markets to broadcast ND
>games, but these stations usually have weaker signals and do not carry as far.
>
>I'm curious to find out if any NBC affiliates last year did a similar thing in
>picking up broadcasts of local interest over the Notre Dame games, or is this a
>first for the NDBC?

No - this happened last year in ACC country also. The NBC affiliate
in Norfolk broadcasted the ACC games in place of Notre Dame's games.
Another independent station in Hampton Roads picked up NBC's feed. I
think the same thing will be happening again this year - I haven't seen
any reports yet, but I think the same channel will continue to
broadcast the JP Sports telecast.


-- 
Charlie Cockrell                          VV     VV 1991 Men's Soccer Champs.
NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Va. VV   VV  1992 Men's NIT Champions  
U.Va. School of Engineering, Class of 1990  VV VV   1992 Women's ACC BB Champs.
(These are my opinions only)                 VVV     NCAA East Regional Champs.
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From: msg@DSG.Tandem.COM (Maitreya Sengupta)
Subject: Re: nicknames revisited
Keywords: offensive nicknames
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Cupertino CA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:56:17 GMT

In article <9924@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>, poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul22.142943.560@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
|> >David Poore writes:
|> >>Redskin was
|> >>historically just that: a racial slur.
|> >I doubt most people realize that.
|> 
|> Probably true...
|> 
|> >You must be thinking of Eastern Michigan University who recently changed their 
|> >nickname from Hurons to Eagles.  The students wanted to be the Emus, but the 
|> 
|> heh^3...Emus...good thinking!
|> 
|> No, wasn't thinking of EMU, though now that you mention it I do remember
|> this. The school I'm thinking of was a non-sports powerhouse which had
|> some success in BBall a few years ago. I think maybe it was 3 years ago
|> during the NCAAs that the controversy occured. Can't remember the
|> school...can anyone help me out here? My faulty memory and brain lesions
|> are legndary in these parts!
|> 
|> David Poore
|> poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu
|> 

Hmmmmmmm...so you weren't thinking of the EM Hurons/Eagles. Well, the only other
school I can think of that *might* fit the description is Dartmouth. I am not
sure about this but didn't Dartmouth use the name 'Indians' or something until
they changed it a couple of years ago?

BTW, though Eastern Michigan aren't exactly a traditional B_ball powerhouse, they
 did reach the 3rd round of the NCAA B-ball tournament in 1990,...and I think that
was just after they discarded the name 'Hurons' and before they started calling 
themselves the Eagles. 

Regards;

Maitreya Sengupta.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: sleight@blackbird.larc.nasa.gov (David W. Sleight)
Subject: Illini Star RB Recruit is Gone ??
Reply-To: sleight@blackbird.larc.nasa.gov (David W. Sleight)
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA USA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:36:06 GMT

I heard that Illinois star RB recruit from East St. Louis Lincoln
(I can't remember his name) will not be attending Illinois next
year because of being placed on Prop 48 due to questions of the
validity of his entrance exams scores.  I heard that he will be
attending Culver Stockton College in Missouri.  

This recruit was supposed to be one of best RB's in Illinois
high school history and a guaranteed star at Illinois (or at least
he said so).

Does anyone have anymore info ??



*      *            *****      |      David W. Sleight
*      *                 *          |      U. of Illinois '91
*      *     of         *          |      Aero/Astro Engineering
  ***              *****     |

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