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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: Football Pool Correction
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:04:06 GMT

This week's pool is due by 12 NOON (Pacific Time) on Saturday.  This is
one hour EARILER than I originally posted.  Please submit all forms by
this time.  Thanks, and sorry for the mix-up!

I will repost the list of games for those who missed the original post.

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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vincent vs Buckley (Re: Packer depth chart starters)
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:37:58 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Jul28.195512.10351@uwm.edu>, paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes...

>   I agree. It's just IMO that Buckley will be tough to sign and tough to
>   keep around. Too flashy for little ole Green Bay. IMO Vincent will be
>   just as good if not a better player than Buckley and would've been
>   happy to stay in Wisconsin. I think Buckley was a good pick, but I
>   guess in reality my heart would've went with Vincent.

Well, no conclusions can be drawn at this time about Buckley's future 
attitude toward GB.  But I'd like to point out that many of the most 
vocal and flashy players of the past ended up living in GB even during 
the offseason.  ie.  Lofton, Mandarich, and Harris.  I think glitz 
gets old real fast.

BTW, at draft time I was *really* disappointed that the Packers didn't 
take Vincent.  He's a class act.  I guess if it were my choice I still 
would have had them draft Vincent.  But the Packers have judged 
Buckley worth the risk.  They have good reasons for making the choice 
they did and at this point I wouldn't say it was a bad one.  Ask me 
again in 2-3 years.

JGH
From: garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers' kickers
Date: 30 Jul 92 07:44:00 GMT
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA

>(Edward Hui) / 10:47 pm  Jul 28, 1992 /
>    What is the situation?  I have seen enough of Mike Cofer (14/28 FG
>last year)

I'm not sure I'd give up on Cofer just yet.  He was a very good kicker
before last year, and considering how badly all the special teams
played last year it might not have been entirely his fault.

- Gary Rosen
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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: More Eagles Camp news...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:44:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.231520.19035@seq.uncwil.edu>, rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith) writes:
> Izel Jenkins is signed and practiced today (7/28)... looked a little
> rusty, but it will come off.

Yeah, the rust will come off with the repeated reps.  Playing in the
secondary is a timing thing.  When to stick out the arm, when to go for
the ball, when to pull back, etc.  Which is why it is important to get
the defensive backs signed and ready before the season begins.

> Otis Smith is close to signing, they expect him to be in camp by
> Thursday.

Good.  Now let's get Eric Allen into camp.

> Sherman and Stacy still looked like slugs racing snails. Joseph and
> Brooks appear to be homing in on the jobs. The Eagles 'Power Set' for
> short yardage situations appears to be Joseph and Walker. On a side
> note, Joseph looks bigger this year than he did last year...
> Of course there are still several weeks of camp left...

No matter what Stacy looks like, he's got a job.  Heath Sherman had
better worry though.

> They practiced that fake field goal to Pitts some more, which is
> beginning to worry me some since Ruzek is my FFL kicker in two
> different leagues...

Practice makes perfect.  But don't worry about Ruzek in your FFL.
It's not like they are going to fake a field goal every other attempt
or anything like that.  And besides, even when they do you still get
Ruzkek kicking PATs:-)!

> Eagles are thinking of trading next years #2 to Chicago for Fridge...
> dont be too surprised to see this happen soon. Negotiations are under
> way... Chicago wants to dump him, and the Eagles want a another veteran
> lineman. I just hope they can keep his weight down when he gets here.

I've heard talk about the Fridge and the Eagles.  If Perry can take
the weight off (don't let him find out about Pat's Steaks & Subs) he
could help.  The Eagles strong suit has been their defensive line
and the defensive line's strong suit has been their depth.  The loss
of Jerome Brown seriously affected that depth.  The Fridge is no
Jerome Brown, but he can clog up the middle of the line and allow
Reggie White and Clyde Simmons to do their thing.  The Fridge will
also give the DL more depth, allowing the Eagles to rotate Golic,
Pitts, and Jeter to keep fresh bodies on the OL to wear them down.
That combination along with LB William Thomas stepping it up a notch
could lessen the loss of #99 on the field.  The problem I see is that
the Fridge is seeking $1.2M type numbers.  I don't believe owner
Norman Braman is willing to spend that type of money even given the
fact that the Eagles saved money this year by not having a #1 pick to
sign.  Of course, I didn't think he was going to spend the money on
Herschel Walker either.


Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
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From: bortnick@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Is Tommy Vardell for Real?
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:15:35 EST




  I am interested in finding out whether Tommy Vardell is as good as all
  the hype we have been reading about him. Just the other day the immortal
  Jim Brown was quoted as saying that he had helped the Browns scout 
  Touchdown Tommy. Brown said, "Vardell is a throwback." I want to know
  from someone that has seen Tommy play throughout his career whether he
  will be an outstanding pro or just another journey man like Brad Muster.


  Go Brownies!
  Mr. Sfi.
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR CHRISTAIN PLAYERS
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 05:25:41 GMT

wilbanks@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Dylan Wilbanks) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul18.202604.13966@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>>Come on guys, get a clue!
>

Just wanted to make something clear: I didn't write any of the stuff
quoted by Mr. Wilbanks.

Why he left my name there is beyond me.  

--Gidi
From: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Chad Hennings of the Cowboys?
Date: 26 Jul 92 21:09:38 GMT
Reply-To: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx

In article <1992Jul24.235807.176929@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, aa05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ABDULMALIK A. ALHUSSEINI) writes:
|> Can Chad Hennings rush the passer?
|> Yes he had 24 sacks in 1987 with the Air Force but that was five years ago and
|> do not ask against whome.
|> A training camp report on the net says that Hennings had one sack but the
|> report didn't mention anything about his consistency and overall condition.
|> I'll appreciate more detailed info. as the camp progresses. Boy... imagine
|> what will happen to the defence if he produces 1/2 the sacks he produced in
|> 1987.
|> 
|> AAA....

          Much has been made of this 26 year old rookie, at least in the 
media.  He had an excellent scrimmage against the Oilers last night.  He 
had 3 sacks.  Scrimmage rules don't allow the QB to be hit.  But Chad took
down Moon on his first sack, prompting an immediate sideline chat with JJ.
The coaches believe he will contribute in spot play, esp. passing downs.
But he won't be as dominate this year as the media thought he would.  His
work ethic and speed are his greatest assests.
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer depth chart starters
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:57:26 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <92211.21132432BFPQ3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>, 32BFPQ3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU writes...

>In article <1992Jul27.184606.12344@macc.wisc.edu>, heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN
>HEIM ) says:
>>
>>Looks like the Packers finally released a depth chart because the most
>>recent issue of Packer Plus contained the currently project starting
>>lineups:
>>
>>QB:   Don Majkowski
> 
>This is the year Majik is going to show people 1989 was not a fluke.

Maybe.  I guess that having Majik at QB won't be the Packers biggest 
problem this year at any rate.

>>FB:   Derrel Thompson
> 
>I don't really think he is suited to be the the type of fullback Holmgrem
>wants.  He was a wishbone tailback in college.

He'll be better in Holmgren's system than Infante's.

>>HB:   Vincent Workman
> 
>I am hoping for real big things from Pookie this year.  He has the recieving
>skills and I believe he is going to show his running ability.

Hmmmm.  Big things from Vince Workman.  I kinda doubt it.

>>LWR:  Sterling Sharpe
> 
>He WILL shine this year.  I believe he will be utilized as well as the second
>best reciever in football should.

He should benefit from being in Holmgren's system.  It suits him real 
well (as it does Jerry Rice).

>>RG:   Tony Mandarich
> 
>This position suits his athletic ability very well.  Can you imagine the
>safeties reactions to this 6-5 320lb monster sprinting out at him running a
>4.7 fourty on a power sweep.

A radio report this morning says Mandarich has been moved again.  This 
time to left tackle.  He'll be competing with Kenny Ruettgers.

>>LILB: Brian Noble
> 
>This sounds bad, but the Packer's trusty defensive leader may be better suited
>sitting behind 2nd round draft pick Mark D'Onfrio. 

No way.  Noble is responsible for the Packers keeping so many games 
close last year.

>>RILB: Johnny Holland
> 
>He is criticized a little to much in the national publications for his lack of
>instictivness, but I really do believe he is the better of the two starting
>inside linebackers.

No way.

>>ROLB: Scott Steven
> 
>He really hasn't panned out as well as the Packers hope.  He is very slow at
>reacting to plays and has trouble at the point of attack.

I think he's done about what they expected.  They never expected him 
to be All-Pro.

JGH
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Cowboys vs. Lions
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 27 JUL 92 10:34:56    

In article <1992Jul26.063822.65156@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, aa05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ABDULMALIK A. ALHUSSEINI) writes...

>In article <1992Jul25.174010.22887@cs.wayne.edu>, delledg@jake.cc.wayne.edu (De
>Vaughn Elledge) writes:
>>In article <25JUL199211544885@venus.tamu.edu> tap1040@venus.tamu.edu (SPEED RAC
>ER) writes:
>>>In article <55062@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason
>) writes...
>>>>
>>>>Can anyone explain why Dallas never adjusted their defense against the
>>>>Lions after halftime in the playoff game?
>>>>
>>>
>>>I'm not exactly sure, but I suspect that they may have had Barry
>>>Sanders-phobia.  Either that, or Jimmy Johnson was just outcoached in
>>>that game as Joe Gibbs was in the second game against the Cowboys.
>>>
>>>John Madden: "There's a good sign.  Troy Aikman putting his pants back on."
>>>Pat Sommerall: "That's ALWAYS a good sign."
>>>______________________________________________________________________________
>__
>>
>> I agree!!! In both games the Cowboys had Sanderitous :) and were out
>> coached by Fontes!! The best touchdown off the '91 season was scored by
>> Barry in that game. You know, the one where three people hit him and
>> they fell, but he just bounced back and kept running while everyone
>> else was wondering what the hell was going on!!!
>>
>>Cure for Sanderitous: Take to fakes and watch ESPN in the morning!! :)
> 
>    You got another vote for the Sanders-Phobia Theory. I think the Cowboys
>    wanted to see Kramer beat them rather than Sanders and to their dismay he
>    did it. Do not get me wrong, I am not sold on Kramer. I think the problem
>    was the Cowboys anemic pass rush (23 sacks all season) and suspect
>    secondary. As a Cowboys fan, I hope the Cowboys will have some kind of
>    pass rush by the time they play the Lions. Otherwise, it can be ugly again.
> 

No doubt about it.  But Sanders-phobia is probably a good thing. If 
the game plan was to make Kramer beat them then it was probably a good 
plan.  It's just that with the Cowboy's pass rush and secondary Kramer 
was able to do just that.  And by half time it was probably too late.  
The Lions would have loved to see the Cowboy's defense consentrate on 
the passing game and let Barry run.

I think this was just one of those cases where one player (Kramer) has an 
incredible day and the strenghts of one team were such that they could 
take advantage of the weaknesses of the other.

JGH
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Need info on the following players...
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:41:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Chevron

In article <76581@ut-emx.uucp> chrispy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christopher Palacios) writes:
>
>I would like your help on how the following players are doing in camp.
>
>Reuben Mayes
>Allen Pinkett
>Dalton Hilliard
>Fred McAfee
>Craig Heyward
>Vaughn Dunbar
>
>See a pattern?  :)
>
>Thanks for your help...

I wish I could help.  I'm waiting for a response to the earlier request
for Saints training camp info!  The Houston papers cover nothing but the
Earlers.  I do know that Reuben Mayes is no longer a Saint.  Where is he?

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From: timmer@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (n)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Sign up
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 18:47:38 MDT
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From: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM (Nate McConnell FE/SSE Grand Rapids, MI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bobby Humphrey
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:04:33 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM
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In article 084150JGARLITZ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, JGARLITZ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU () writes:
>Does anybody know what is going on with Bobby Humphrey?  Has he showed for
>training camp?  Is he going to try to work out a contract with Denver now
>that Gaston Green has been signed for another year?
>
>--Paul Garlitz        JGARLITZ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUC


Maybe someone else can help with his status.  

As far as his contract with the broncos goes he isn't even with the bronocos now.  
They traded him for Sammie Smith and Humphrey is now with the Dolphins.


Nate McConnell				|Undead:  MFL Coach of the Year 1991
nate.mcconnell@sun.com			|         NFF Central Champs '91
					|	  NFF East Champs '89 and '90
From: aa05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ABDULMALIK A. ALHUSSEINI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Cowboys training camp [2. QB's]
Date: 25 Jul 92 19:08:03 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I am glad that there is no QB cotraversy in Dallas. I'll appreciate it if the
more informed fans tell us about the QB's in the camp.

    (1) Troy Aikman... Heard that he is not sharp yet. Is his knee 100%? Is he
    going to throw more TD's and fewer INT's? Is he getting better at reading
    defenses?.... it is about time for him to post big numbers....

    (2) S. Buerlin... I read that he is satisfied with a back up role at least
    for this year.

    (3) C. Kupp... He is a complete unkown to me. The fact that he was waived
    by the Card's kind of worries me.

Thanks... AAA...
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Tampa Bay Buccaneers?
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:15:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.184029.10583@uc.msc.edu> mlp@uh.msc.edu (Mark Peterson) writes:
>In article <92203.103127BFANTLE@auvm.american.edu> <BFANTLE@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>I am too a DIEHARD BUC fan.  Have been sice the beginning...
                 ...Every year I have great hopes.  This year i think they might
> be fulfilled...
>
>GO BUCS
>
>Barry
>
                                                      I'm sorry!

Granted, it's easy to take pot shots at a franchise that has been down as
long as ours has,  but,  with a little openminededness, it is possible to
evaluate the Buccaneers solely on how they stand today. I believe that it
is the performance of the coaching staff,  overall,  which determines how
much production will be delivered by the players.

Given that, can anyone name another  offensive and  defensive coordinator
pair on a single NFL team which, in the past, produced a number 1 overall
offense and a number 1 overall defense  other than Sam Wyche  (who is our
offensive coordinator and head coach) and Floyd Peters?  And,  this is in
addition to the fact that both have done this within the last four years,
Sam for the Bengals, and Floyd for the Vikings.

I'll tell you one thing,  having had to watch our team stand on the oppo-
site sidelines of both  of these coach's teams,  I'm glad that they'll be
standing (as well as running,  yelling,  and screaming)  on our sidelines
this season.
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: CLEVELAND BROWNS -- BROWNS BACKERS
Keywords: Hey Brownies
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:05:31 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison

In article <#8lm3la.derich@netcom.com> derich@netcom.com (Scott A. Steinbrink) writes:
>My gawd, I never believed I find more Cleveland Browns fans here --
>it makes one true Dawg Pounder feels GREAT!!!
>
> GO-O-O-O DAWGS!!!!!!

Yeah, we seem to be a pretty vocal bunch here.  Just be sure not to cheer
too much, i.e. woof (which holds a double meaning for Dawg fans).  There's
a well-known therom on the net (especially in the college basketball group)
that states you better not predict sure victories.  For example, statements
like "We are going to kick Houston's ass with Tommy Vardell" are not
acceptable comments, and it probably isn't appropriate to tease too loudly
when you have just beaten a team.  We'll stay quiet, and if the year ends
up pretty well, WOOF!  On the other hand, mild celibrations are always in
order after a victory.
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
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From: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: 49ers News????
Reply-To: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 05:20:55 GMT

In article <Bryzwo.Jo5@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, ssbal@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu writes:
>All you Bay area observers out there I could sure use your help, could you
> inform me of the progress/status of the following players:
>1. Steve Young at $2.5 mil is he definitely going to get traded??  We here
>   in the East have been hearing this all offseason, first for Barry Word, 
>   the Marian Butts, then to the Raiders for Brown and a few picks.  Now
>   his status is in the air, I would sur

(Note : you should really try to hit a carriage return every now and then;
        my editor truncated your lines at 255 characters, thus part of
        your post is missing here).

Very unlikely at this point.

>2. Charles Haley.  We heard all offseason that he wanted out , particularly
>   after Seifert badmouthed the 49er defense after watching tapes of the Eagles 
>   defense perfrom at its best.  Is he satisfied in SF???  Isn't he expendable 
>   since they acquired "All 

Yes, Charles seems to be satisfied now, and the 49ers seem to be satisfied
with Charles. As for Tim Harris, he has not performed at the level the
49ers had expected, so I certainly would not call Haley "expendable".

>3. Finally Dana Hall.  How has he looked in preseason??  Is he expected to 
>   step in in the absence of Dave Waymer or does Thane Gash have the inside 
>   track on the starting Strong Safety job??   

Right now he is penciled in as the starter. Of course, the whole preseason
is still ahead, so that could change. My impression is that the coaches have
been very impressed with him so far, but he seems to have a lack of
confidence (or else he is just very humble or awed), because he was talking
about how much more difficult it is to cover NFL receivers than it is to
cover college receivers. He's having a little bit of trouble keeping up
with NFL-caliber receivers, since they run their routes so much better,
and the quarterbacks are so much more adept at taking advantage of tiny
cracks in the coverage. Personally, I would rather have him have an attitude
like this instead of a Neon-Deion attitude. I think he's going to be a
great defensive player.

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From: lavelle@aardvark.lerc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: '49ers News
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:12:51 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center

In article <1992Jul24.114535.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.235712.6784@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>, marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall) writes:
>> In article <1992Jul23.193300.23194@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>>>alan@wrc.unr.edu (Alan McKay) writes:
>>>(Do the Niners really tend to call trick plays less often than other
>>>teams?)
>> 
>> Yes! And it's always frustrated me no end. I mean, they don't have to
>> throw a flea-flicker on every series, but once or twice a game you need
>> to try some razzle-dazzle just to keep people on their toes. With Steve
>> Young at QB last year it was an ideal opportunity to try some trickery.
>> I remember watching a game last year and the 49ers ran a misdirection
>> play, and I remember thinking "wow, that was pretty tricky!". Then I
>> thought for a second and realized "no it wasn't, it's just tricky according
>> to the 49ers standards".
>> 
>> I doubt that this year will be any different, but with a new offensive
>> coordinator, who knows?
>> 

Far be it for any of us to criticize the 49ers offensive scheme


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