From: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: articles from pro-chinese
Reply-To: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
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Date: 13 Dec 92 04:45:56 EST

In Article: <lihiuvINNf6r@nada.cs.utexas.edu>
   Subject: articles from pro-chinese
      From: s245@cs.utexas.edu (Spring Class Account) writes:

>In article <1992Dec10.4298.40029@dosgate> "micky wong"
><micky.wong@canrem.com> w
>>>>Can you elaborate on "majority opinion", what is your base to support
>>>>such a claim?   :-)

>Perhaps this is the majority opinion of the Chinese people today :
 ^^^^^^^

I recall that your original statement was " If an election were held in
China today, CCP will win a landslide "   :-)

If you have used the qualifier "perhaps" in your original statement, I
probably would saved trouble to questioning you.


>  We can get rid of the CCP, then what do we do?

I have heard of this argument quite few times, and I am glad that
I have the opportunity to respond:

Many people were forgetting an important fact, Chinese people and
Chinese culture had survived well without CCP for over four thousand
years, and it was during the short 40 years of CCP's reign, Chinese
culture had suffered one of it's most devastating damages.

If the CCP can successfully reform itself along the transformation which
is taking place in China, there will be no urgency or justification to
get rid of the CCP, however, if the CCP maintain it's old way of
Zigzaging, if the leadership transition after Deng's death caused chaos,
than the Chinese people will have no choice but to get rid of it.

If the CCP do not change it's behavior in dealing with today's Chinese
people, whether in China, HongKong, Taiwan or abroad, CCP can remain a
threat to the prosperity of the Chinese people, and the leadership of
the CCP can remain the source of instability to China's future
prosperity, in turn, could become the source of trouble for the
whole world.

If the CCP do not start serious political reform, China still face great
danger to develope a Captalism of the worst kind, a society overshadowed
by all the ills of the old Capitalism, without the benefit of today's
democratic process and the knowledge of global realization.

(by the way, I do not recall if I have stated that to get rid of the CCP
is the only solution for China)

>>>Let's wait several years, we will see who is suppressing the majority
>>>opinion of the Chinese people.
>>Why do we need to wait several years? I thought we were discussing the
?>present, did not know that you can predict the future.   :-)

>Because only the future can tell for sure which side is right.

Agree, but your above statement contradicts the logic of your earlier
first statement "If an election were held in China today, CCP will win a
landslide".

>>China's recent economic growth had proofed one thing, that is the
>>immense creative power of the Chinese people, what  the CCP did is no
>>more than loosen a little bit, of it's tight grip onto the Chinese
>>people, how can you credit all the recent progress in China to the
                     ^^^^^^
>>"Glory of the CCP"?

>Where did you get this?

From your earlier statement:
 " As to CCP, due to its strong performance in the last decade"
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Did I quote you wrong?      :-)

>>Please do not forget, many of the CCP's cadres and the hardliners of
>>it's leadership are still the obstinate obstacles which prevents
>>China's progress, in areas how to modernize China's people and China's
>>thinking. It is the right time for CCP to change it's past behaviors, to
>>stop it's self-deceiving and be honest with itself and with the Chinese
>>people, otherwise, this notorious political entity will be discarded by
>>the Chinese people, as the garbage in the sewer of history.

>True.

Glad that you do agree with the above view. It seems that as long as we
give CCP a chance to survive, you'll agree.     :-)
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