From: mush@craycos.com (Randy Murrish)
Newsgroups: co.politics
Subject: Re: Biblical perspectives on homosexuality
Date: 4 Nov 92 21:51:19 GMT
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In article <Bx5qLs.487@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com> ron@eatdust (Ron Schweikert) writes:

   In article <1992Nov2.054213.3066@craycos.com> mush@craycos.com (Randy Murrish) writes:
   >
   >ron@eatdust wrote on 30 Oct 92 20:02:57 GMT:
   >
   >(several lines deleted)
   >
   >...
   >> If you are a believing Christian, you [should] take to heart
   >> the clear scriptural teaching that homosexuality is an abomination before
   >> God. It is a serious sin.
   >...
   >
   >The very same book of the bible that supposedly says homosecuality is
   >an abomination before God, also says that wearing clothing that is
   >made with two different materials is just as serious a sin as laying
   >with a man as you would a women.

   "supposedly" ?  No, not "supposedly", but SPECIFICALLY.  That occurs
   in Romans.  Please tell me in Romans where clothing made with two different
   materials is even mentioned as a sin, let alone being as serious as
   homosexuality.

   You brought it up.  Support it.

The passage you mention is Romans 1:26-27 and you are right, Romans
does not condem the wearing of clothing made of two different
materals.  I also don't have my bible at hand to read the specific
paragraphs.  I am sorry for the confusion.

The sin of wearing two different materials is found in Leviticus
along with a host of other sins that are on the same "level" as
homosexuality.  The passage in Leviticus that mentions homosexuality
(and to which I was refereing above) is Levitcus 18:22, 20:13-14, to
paraphrase the passage, "you shall not lie with a man as a woman."

Leviticus also condems the practice of eating rare meat.  It also
states that any man or woman caught in adultery must be put to death
(Lev. 20:10).  I don't have the specific passages for the material and
meat references, but I will bring them in tomorrow and post them to
the net.

For everyones information, the passages of the bible which talk (or
are thought to talk about homosexuality) include:

	Deuteronomy 23:17-18
	Genesis 19:4-11
	Judges 19:22
	Levitcus 18:22, 20:13-14
	1 Corinthians 6:9
	1 Timothy 1:10

	and

	Romans 1:26-27 as Ron mentioned above.

   >Somehow writing your religous belief of what is right and wrong into
   >the Colorado Constitution doesn't sound like a free and equal society.
   >I would think that if you are a believing Christian, you should feel
   >compasion toward those who are different from you instead of hatred.
   >
   >Randy

   I feel no hatred whatsoever towards gays, and it offends me that you would
   say so.  I happen to believe the Biblical mandate: "God hates the sin, but
   loves the sinner."  Hear what it said? "HATES the sin, but LOVES
   the sinner."

Using the word "your" when refering to religious beliefs was a mistake
on my part and I apologize.  I myself have Christian friends who
express the same opinion as you, they do not hate homosexuals, they
simply believe that homosexuality is a sin.

My problem, and the reason that I wrote the above paragraph, is the
current trend of Christians imposing their beliefs on others through
the government.  If they are doing this because they love homosexuals
but want to turn them away from their sexual orientation, they should
do that in outreach programs and through their church, NOT through the
government.

You will have to agree that there are some Christians that cannot
separate their disgust at homosexuality and hatred of the individual.

   Those of you who want to make it seem like Christians hate gays are just
   stretching for some straw to hold onto perhaps your own bigotry (towards
   Christians?).  While it *definately* is true that some Christians (I give
   them the benefit of the doubt) seem to exhibit hatred, their actions ARE NOT 
   Biblically supported nor shared by most Christians...certainly none that
   I know. 

If only every Christian were like you Ron, this world would be a very
nice place.  The unfortunate fact is that there are some Christians
that believe that they should impose their beliefs on the unbelievers.

   Being human however we may also find frustrations/fears over
   the homosexual agenda affecting this country (ie: Senate bill 574) and the
   HATRED DIRECTED TOWARDS CHRISTIANS can cause us to react at times in ways
   the Jesus Christ certainly would not have.  But then, we do (should) strive
   to become more like him day by day.  I don't know anyone who's there yet
   though, so you'll often see the imperfections of our humanism show through.

The imperfections of my humanism showed through in my previous post.
Once again I apologize if I lumped you into the group of Christians
that are supporting Amendment #2.  After experiencing hatred directed
at myself because of who I am, I would NEVER want that same hatred
directed at Christians.

   >I don't speak for Cray Computer Corporation.

I still don't speak for them, although I could be fired now because they
believe me to be a homosexual now that Amendment #2 has passed...

   I don't speak for U S WEST.

and Ron doesn't speak for U S WEST.


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