HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Rap (Yes, you're still in soc.motss)
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:24:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: sei.1992Nov18.192439.26047
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute


lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
|> dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa) writes:
|> } lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) sez:
|> } >Most Gay men don't like legitimate rap.
|> } 
|> } Probably true (although this could have something to do with 
|> } the "he winked at me so I beat him up" Audio Two style 
|> } bullshit that keeps floating around the harder rap genres). 
|> } Hardcore rap does tend to be insular; the casually interested 
|> } white gay man (or lesbian) is probably not going to get a lot 
|> } of exposure to it, so s/he's not likely to know of anyone 
|> } besides, say, Public Enemy or NWA.
|> You miss my point.  I wasn't focusing on hardcore rap, just  
|> legitimate rap.  Native Tongue is legitimate, but hardly  
|> hardcore.  

Point taken, but I don't think it makes a lot of difference. I'm not sure
exactly what you consider "legitimate" rap, but I'd bet that it doesn't get
much airplay. (For example, A Tribe Called Quest isn't hardcore, but I've
never heard them anywhere (except on the college station I work at, and we're
hardly typical).) The closest comparison I can think of is heavy metal -- huge
sales to specific cultures, but little to no airplay. (Like rap, metal on the
radio is almost always the lightest and fluffiest possible examples.) Most
knowledge is traded through person-to-person contact, not through the media,
and a person without direct connections to the culture (say, a friend with
deep knowledge of the music) is unlikely to ever be exposed to the music.
It's an unfortunate situation, not just for rap, but for lots of other
worthwhile styles of music, many of which don't have the backing of an ethnic
solidarity the way rap does.

Anyway, I could say that most gay men don't like legitimate jazz either, and
that would mean just as little. (Actually, the fact that there's all of two
people responding to this thread probably proves your point.)

|> By the way, what ever happened to Audio Two. 

Faded, I assume -- haven't heard anything from or about them for a couple
years. I suspect they just got left behind. Heard anything from DST lately? :-)

|> "Can't Touch This" was at least 100 times better than "Ice Ice  
|> Baby".  And the work Hammer does in his community justifies it.

It makes it more palatable, at least, although they both still go in the scrap
heap as far as I'm concerned.






_____________________________________________________________________________
Dan Bidwa                             I believe nothing and in nothing.
dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu       !disclaim!   I believe everything and in everything.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: The Hidden Sailor
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:02:05 GMT

jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) wrote: 
->Tongue depressors?  I guess I'm missing out on something. 

... these could be used to build the gag reflex ...

--
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From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sucking on Keanu Reeves
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:49:11 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

*X*:

>Well, it's decidedly heterosexual...  And you've never seen The
>Muffin - so I shall need the support of witnesses in asserting he
>is *very* *edible*!  (The Squirrel would perhaps be most credible).

He is indeed cute.  However, my credibility on this matter was/is filtered
by the magic of chianti. Therefore, I am not to be trusted.

You could always ask Matthew about that surly waiter we had.  He was neither
cute nor personable.  

Keanu Reeves falls into the same category as Marky Mark.  I don't give a 
rat's ass how PC the boy is, those stomach muscles get my Cowper's gland
in an uproar.  Is that such a crime? 
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

i'm your girl            friend
i'm your squirrel        friend
i'm your round the world friend

"In America, we can't even get corruption right."  - my CFII.
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bears and Lookism (was: Marky Mark)
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:18:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov18.171847.18767
Organization: insert anything here

aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca writes:

	An Excellent point.

	(go back and read it!)

	Thanks.

BBC
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: APRIL 25 1993 MARCH ON WASHINGTON FINAL PLATFORM
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:03:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Nov16.190359.21200
Organization: International Irony League -- Death before smileys!

In article <9211160724.AA79053@localhost> buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>           Action Statement Preamble --- The Platform
>
> ...
>
>                     The March Demands
>
> ...
>
>6.  We demand an end to racial and ethnic discrimination in all forms.

This would mean an end to affirmative action, ja?

Y'all forgot the demand for a cease-fire in
Bosnia-Herzegovinia...
-- 
Andrew Michael Solovay    

"We know that Solovay is a misogynist and an idiot..."
                --Melinda Shore
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gsmith@clio.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 18:12:10 GMT

In article <45907@ogicse.ogi.edu> markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:

>I was at a total loss until I made a discovery which clarified it all:
>I was running Kinsey UNIX version 6.

Sheesh.  Madonna will run under version 6 but only in a van Dyke.  I
thought everyone knew that.

-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
From: 2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (andy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Queers in military in other countries???
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:32:55 GMT
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston

In article <1e9k7mINN23a@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cf379@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (J.
Alan) says:
>
>I'm fairly sure Canada lets queers into the military, and
>even did studies to see what happened -- answer: NOTHING.

The Canadian military decided to allow gays in the military about six weeks ago
I sincerely doubt that any studies on the impact of this decision have yet been
done (unless you're talking about before-the-fact "what if?" studies which are
something entirely different)

>
>Does anyone know about rules and regs on queers in military
>in other countries?  I'm pretty sure there are a lot of them
>out there that do not explicitly ban gays/lesbians.

Apparantly many nations in Western Europe allow gays and lesbians.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lsg001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Graham Wilson)
Subject: Re: Can you tell me about this TV show?
Organization: Legal Department - Coventry University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:30:13 GMT

In article <2b090762@ThreeL.co.uk> jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.235857.16298@spdcc.com>,
>dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>
>> In article <1992Nov14.004337.4196@sco.com> md@sco.COM (Michael Davidson) writes:
>> >I have to admit to being a little confused by your remarks - this could
>> >have something to do with the fact that I think that "Are You Being Served"
>> >is one of the *worst* programs ever produced by the BBC.
>
>There's a difference of perception here which is quite
>interesting.  I agree with Michael.  I think it's a ghastly
>show.



** Nonsense. The show is wonderful. It should be taken for what it is
   - satire. Nothing more, nothing less.


   
-- 
         *********************************************************
         *      Graham Wilson      *  lsg001@cck.coventry.ac.uk  *
         *     LL.B.  Law  III     *     Coventry  University    *
         *********************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
From: woods@claven.ucar.edu (Greg Woods)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:08:52 GMT

In article <BxxHEI.LI@fc.sde.hp.com> marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com writes:
>Greg Woods (woods@claven.ucar.edu) wrote:
>: I don't see that #2 prohibits an employer from
>: establishing an anti-discrimination policy, and enforcing it
>: internally, if they choose to.
>
>Unfortunately, the employer in this case is the State of Colorado, which is one
>of the entities specifically forbidden from enforcing any such policy.

I think we're getting into some legal technicalities here, but I still
don't think that Amendment #2 says anything that would force the
state to discriminate against gays, nor even anything that would say
they can't set an internal policy against such discrimination. All it
says is that they cannot put this into law. But a state law and an internal
policy of state goverment are different things. I don't think that Amendment
2 as written says anything about the latter.

--Greg
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: steven@cray.com (Steven Levine)
Subject: Re: ***Accessories!!!***
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:12:52 CST

In article <Bxv90y.9z8@cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:

[How to accessorize with motss-ers]

FJ -- you've got to come visit the U.S.  There are lots more
choices who would be happy to have you try them out and on.

In fact, if you could get yourself over here, I'm willing
to bet that we could find people across the country -- and
into parts of Canada -- who will put you up and feed you
and show you around and off, at no cost to yourself beyond
the transportation.

So this is my question:  Is such a tour in the works?
Now that you're not working at the Cockring, anymore,
whatever that was.

I'll take care of the Upper Midwest part of things.  Do I
hear from any volunteers from other regions?

-Steven

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: The Hate Gene (was Re: Social Democracy)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 22:58:57 GMT


In article <17930@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D.  Owen
Rowley) writes:

>Like the rest of her ilk, Ms shore never speaks directly to
>individuals or issues which offer substantive differences of
>opinion from her own.

Hey, I get it!  Like you did here, huh?

>A lovely .signature, it certainly got me to pay more
>attention to you :-)

Well, what a winner that must be for all concerned, at least
them of a certain ilk.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane)
Subject: Re: Bear Crap
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:19:41 GMT

rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

>	Soc.motss is still the most heterogeneous GBLO*_group I have
>ever seen, but it's becoming more homogeneous over time.  I don't 
>think it's in any danger of losing it, andI'm certinaly
>not predicting the "death of the net" or "death of the group",
>but before Mike et alia start patting themselves on the back for
>"showing that this is the work of a few deranged people", there
>is sufficient evidence to show that yes, indeed soc.motss has had
>its share of "anti-bear" postings/threads.

i think that there are "deranged people" that criticise every group
here from time to time.  maybe it's not as true as it has been in the
past (due to the bear list, or whatever), but i still think that bears
have lots of representation here.  in fact, i would guess that the
perceived over-representation of bears was the cause of a fair number
of the anti-bear postings/threads.  i guess that i see this as the ebb
and flow of the participants (or the vocal-ness of the participants).

>	Now is it a BIG THING?  No, there are inclusivity issues
>that greatly exceed the need to be more bear-sensitive.  Certainly
>seeing more womyn is one, minorities another.  When was the last time
>we heard anything aboutthe radical faeries here?  Girth and Mirth?
>Womyn's music fstivals?  I'm especially concerned about the presence
>of motss.womyn because the intial data from the aborted sample 
>above indicated that the %age of womyn DECREASED over the last 2.5 years
>almost by 50%!  To me that's alarming...

yes.  

me:
>>thanks, melinda.  you have crystalized my thoughts exactly.

>	Are you sure you want to use that word?  I'm tempted to
>agree but not gfor the same reasons you want.

i did not post because i wanted you to agree (and if i thought about
it, i would probably have used different words).  the point of my
posting (and melinda's i think) is that i get crabby sometimes reading
yet another GDM whiny evangelical hell-fire bears uber alles posting.
he really alienates me (and others it would seem), and i think that
some of this is what carries over when people make comments to *you*
(bob) about liking anything that has a beard because you are a bear
lover (cf. marky mark discussion).

--mike



Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo)
Subject: Colorado Reply
Organization: New York University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:15:28 GMT


Received this handwritten note from John O. Gilbert, President & General
Manager of KOAA-TV in Colorado Springs in response to my letter of dismay 
and outrage at CO-2. Now if the President had time to send me a 
hand-written note this means he isn't getting as much mail as he 
should from us.  Time for someone from Colorado to repost those
addresses!  
  
Emily (who deeply resents the slur on her recently adopted borough)

 -----------------------------------------------------------
  Dear Emily --

  We're all entitled to our feeling and I certainly respect yours, 
  although I disagree with them ----

  As for your not coming to Colorado, all I can say about that is --
  that you lose, particularly when you're from Brooklyn ----

  Have a nice summer!

  John
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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: do you know a minor german princess? no, but if you humm a
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 20:14:14 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Ken Dykes writes:
>richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
>>thaaang writes:
>>>'I'm a minor German princess myself, but...'
>>Hmmm.  I was going to pipe up and say "diminished", but you are so much
>>more *interesting* when you are, ah, "augmented".
>
>>I had better watch what I say around here; if I don't see sharp, I'm
>>gonna be flat.
>
>dont fret over it.


What a *BASS* thing to say!

 
() Most people wouldn't know music if it came up and bit
() them on the ass.
()      -- Frank Zappa
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:47:50 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <1e9cc5INNpr@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
wrote:
 
> No, of course you're right.  But then you should consider
> the source -- he's someone who thinks that Mary Pickford was
> a glamorous movie star in the Gloria Swanson/Pola Negri/Mae
> Murray mold.

Not precisely, Dolphie Doo - I asserted that Mary Pickford was
the basis of Norma Desmond.  *You* put forth the rather bland,
rather dim, rather *unperceptive* thesis that Norma Desmond
was based on the 'glamorous' movie stars a la Swanson.  I then
pointed out that Pickford was Hollywood gliterazi off-screen.
In fact, the difference between her screen and 'real' persona
is accented by Mizz Hepburn in her auto-biography (along with
affirming the status of an invitation to Pickfair as 
'stellar...')

Of course, you are entitled to make whatever you will of 
whatever you will - sweet wittle tinkerpuff that you are.

*X*
From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "homo"
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:04:12 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1e65chINNepb@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ai888@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Flesher) writes:

   A benighted adolescent in my neighborhood yelled "homo" at me  
   this morning, and I, remembering the etymology of "homosexual", 
   thought: how ironic it is that this boy is trying to reassure himself that 
   I am something he would never be by in effect shouting "same" at me.

From the restaurant owner in "Murphy Brown":

"You picked a bad day.  Pat Buchanan's here, and he's passing out a
petition to get the name of the species changed to hetero-sapien..."


--

  - Ronald Hayden

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From: msp@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Michael S. Pettersen)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: bear vs. twink
Date: 19 Nov 92 07:10:30 EST

I am very disturbed by the fact that in all this discussion of bear
vs. twink, that no one has presented the viewpoint of those of us who
are admirers both of Jacob, who was a smooth man, and Esau, his brother,
who was an hairy man. I'm tired of people saying that it's just a phase,
that I'm really one or the other, but don't have the courage to come out
completely.

Really, in a community as diverse as ours, there is no excuse
for such insensitivity to minority issues.  In fact, since there is so little
interest in my kind of issues in soc.motss, when it's not positively hostile,
I propose the formation of a new group, to be called soc.bihirsutality.
I hereby call for votes.

While I'm at it, I also propose soc.chauve-inism [chauve=bald in French].
Since I have no use for walruses or otters, however, I will vote against
any such groups if someone proposes them.
--
Mike Pettersen
msp@physique.ens.fr
Perfect love casteth out fear.
From: 01klcampbell@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Kenton Campbell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ins and Outs
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:52:08 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <1992Nov16.204811.11611@gordian.com>, Michael A. Thomas writes:
> In article <1992Nov16.195915.136@macc.wisc.edu>, Jess Anderson writes:
>> In article <1992Nov16.185553.16402@PacBell.COM> 
>> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>> >[George Stephanopoulos is ] also 31-years-old and single.
>> 
>> My gaydar hasn't been calibrated recently, but the level
>> reads pretty high on Mr. Stephanopouplos.  
> 
>   Me too, and this was before I even saw him. Probably 
> wishful thinking though...

Mr. Stephanopoulos is absolutely scrumptious!  I *want* him!  If he's not
family, I'll eat Bar Bush.

>> On the other
>> hand, it didn't go blip on Pete Williams, so go figure.
> 
>   Republican Stealth Shielding, no doubt. Stealth, not just
> for bombers any more...

Oh, kids, the first time I saw Williams giving a briefing, his wit and
humor definitely triggered my gaydar.  I remember thinking, "that man's
too smart-ass not to be gay."

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@vccnw05.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Please post Colorado addresses!
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:14:25 GMT


There is a whole HOST of information on QRD about Colorado.

Try looking in /pub/QRD/qrd/rights/colorado directory on nifty.andrew.cmu.edu.

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE
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11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:07:18 GMT


  I've decided to take leave of this subject, since I've made my arguments a
  sufficient number of times that I don't feel it's worth my while to repeat
  them over and over again.

  It's been entertaining and educational.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
Xref: sparky soc.motss:47895 co.politics:2100
From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,co.politics
Subject: Re: Equal Rights Laws, a misunderstanding
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:06:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: fc.Bxu07p.GF3
Reply-To: marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Frank Crary (fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU) wrote:

: As far as the Supreme Court's thinking goes, they have specifically
: ruled in one case, that homosexuals were _not_ a protected minority,
: and had no greater status in the eyes of the Court than any other
: special interest group. This may be fatal to the legal challenge to
: Amendment 2.

Are they then prepared to also strike down laws providing protection on the
basis of marital status or religious beliefs?

--
Amendment 2 - Shame On You, Colorado
--
Marc Sabatella
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
--
a disgusted resident of the first state in history of the union
to enact a constitutional amendment that explicitly legalizes discrimination
against a particular minority
--
All opinions expressed herein are my personal ones
and do not necessarily reflect those of HP or anyone else.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane)
Subject: Re: Bear Crap
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:03:49 GMT

shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:

>In article <1992Nov16.014831.25069@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes: [...]

>>Could someone provide me with a recent example of this, like say a
>>direct quote or a reference to an article I'm likely to remember? 

>I can't think of anybody complaining about bear crap, but
>there have certainly been cries of "Oh no, all that Furr
>crap again!"  Not the same thing at all, although it may
>appear that way to George.

thanks, melinda.  you have crystalized my thoughts exactly.

--mike