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From: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Subject: Re: Death to Chris
Reply-To: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 19:09:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.53351.4379@ms.uky.edu>, matt@ms.uky.edu (Matt Mccoy) 
writes:
> While I agree that Chris is full of alot of hot air, if you notice
> most of the reactions from the people of Cicily, they feel the
> same way...rolling eyes, questioning looks...they just listen to
> what he says cause he is on the radio, and then hear some pretty
> cool tunes.  Too bad everyone who doesn't like Chris can't just
> do this too   :-)

  Like Holling says during the election speaches after Chris
stands up and gives his $37 worth ...

  "I'm sorry, Chris, but I didn't understand a word you said."

  And everyone in the town hall kindof knods and "uh hums".

  Ciaran.

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From: greg@cs.washington.edu (Greg Barnes)
Subject: Seattle Actors (was Re: Best Episode)
Organization: Adolph Eichmann's Evil Cake Factory
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 20:56:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep09.002341.5467@ssc.wa.com> tad@ssc.wa.com (Tad Cook) writes:
>The show has a lot of local Seattle people in it.  This one had
>John Procacino, the movie reviewer on the local CBS TV affiliate, at
>the end of the show leaning over Joel's bed saying "you all right
>little buddy?".

Proccacino (sp?) has shown up twice, playing two different characters.  The
above-mentioned 'out of town hunter', and Ranger Burns, in an earlier
episode (Ranger Burns was a fire-spotter obsessed with his job).

A lot of local performers also showed up in the 'circus comes to town' 
episode.

Pointless trivia:  According to John Proccacino, what was Ranger Burns's
first name?

				Greg Barnes
				greg@cs.washington.edu

Pointless, but true answer:  Vlad.
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From: SJOSEPHS@130.187.170.178 (STEVEN JOSEPHSON)
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:05:49 GMT
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Am I the only one who thinks that Maggie and Joel make perfect sence? That
Maggie's reaction to finding out that she and Joel had not done the nasty is
understandable?  Remember Adam's scorchingly accurate read of Maggie in the
episode where Elaine comes to town?  Remember pretty much every interaction
Maggie and Joel have?  I think the key here is that they both go to great
lengths to protect themselves.  Maggie wasn't pissed at Joel for not having sex
with her booze-sodden bod, she was protecting herself from her own feelings
that he had somehow rejected her.  Likewise her telling him to keep their trist
(when she thought there had been one) a secret.  If you have the show taped,
listen to the words Maggie uses.  She is echoing Joel's words as they were 
leaving Cicley for Anchorage. She is just trying to beat Joel to the punch by 
suggesting they not tell anybody, as she is obviously expecting Joel to say 
something to the same effect and would have been devastated when he did.  
Maggie goes in for romanticising her life, Joel intellectualizes things to 
death.  They are both doing the same thing - avoiding taking the reality of 
their emotions head-on.  The few times they have (ie. Joel in the morning-after 
scene with Elaine) are some of the most poignant I've ever seen on tv, and they
do it without being maudlin.  This is not the plot device of Remington Steele 
or the posturing and negotiation of Moonlighting, although the situations are 
similar.  This is a delicate and intricate romance of two intelligent and 
vulnerable characters who are attracted to each other, scared of each other, 
but who refuse to fake what they both hope will come to pass.  
	I think that when and if they do ever fall together (they will, the 
viewers won't settle for less) it will be when one of them comes to the 
realization that their relationship will never come about as a negotiated peace
but by the surrender of one side.  I'm betting it will be Joel who gives in, as
he seems to be the one doing the most growing up (and needs to). 

Josephson
From: hank@waffle.sns.com (hankdtank)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: The Length of Joel's Stay in Cicely
Keywords: Joel
Date: 13 Sep 92 21:04:00 GMT
Organization: Systems'n'Software, Fremont, CA  94539-6669

The way the show is written, you never know how long Joel has been in 
Cicely, so how would you know the length of his time their.
 
In only one episode did they clearly state how long Joel had been there.  
In the episode "Goodbye to All That" (my favorite episode of NX, BTW), 
Chris clearly says that Joel has been there 8 months (This is the episode 
where Elain breaks up with the Doctor).  But in other episodes, this issue 
gets ever so murkier.
 
For example, in the episode "Lost And Found" (where Joel thinks he's being 
haunted by a guy who killed himself in Joel's cabin), Maggie states that 
Joel has been in the cabin over a year, but latter in the show, Joel says 
that (well, implies) he has 3 years, 8 months left on his contract.  This 
is, might I ad, after the second NX episode to deal with spring, meaning 
that Joel has been there over 2 years.  Go figure.
 
In the Star Trek newsgroups, I guess you would call this a YATI, or 
something like that.

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From: lewis@linac.fnal.gov (June Cummins Lewis)
Subject: Re: Where are the children??
Organization: Fermiland, Batavia, IL
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:14:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.160432.28354@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.131254.3033@cs.unca.edu> stigle@cs.unca.edu (Sue Stigleman) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep10.124014.3916@infonode.ingr.com> stevenst@iaserv.b1.ingr.com (Todd Stevens) writes:
>>>Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed the complete absence of children
>>>on this show?  Oh, there has been the occasional episode like the one

>>One of the things I like best about the show is that THERE
>>ARE NO CHILDREN!  None of those horribly bratty precocious
>>terminally cute TV-kids.  Those aren't children -- they're
>>mutant TV life forms. 

I would think that if children were on this show they would not be
bratty, smart-mouthed sitcom kids.  This show doesn't follow any of
the formulas of the typical sitcom--why would they regress just
because they introduced children?

>I can also see Sue's point; TV children are usually pretty terrible.
>Beyond that, kid stars tend to end up in really bad shape as 
>adults; two compelling reasons to stay away from the whole thing.
>Still, the show seems to have an *aversion* to kids. Characters
>don't even mention off-screen offspring, grandchildren, nieces
>or nephews. 

Remember that episode where Ed fell in love with the red-haired
girl--White Feather or something like that?  I remember she was
surrounded by a whole bunch of kids in a couple of scenes.  I thought
at that time that they might have explored that family more in future
episodes. 

June


-- 
"Saying that men talk about baseball in	order to avoid talking about their
feelings is the same as saying that women talk about their feelings in order
to avoid talking about baseball."
			--Deborah Tannen, author of _You Just Don't Understand_
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Oddz n' ens
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:15:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.231010.9499@cs.wm.edu> sletten@cs.wm.edu (Brian J. Sletten) writes:

>Has anyone heard about a connection between "Doc Hollywood" and NEXP?
>Someone tried to convince me that "D.H." was supposed to be the basis
>for NEXP... anyone else hear this connection?

It must just be me.  Has no one suggested the NORTHERN EXPOSURE - TWIN
PEAKS connection?

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
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From: bubba@guitar-slim.cs.unlv.edu (Kenneth B. Been)
Subject: Re: Best Episode
Reply-To: bubba@guitar-slim.cs.unlv.edu (Kenneth B. Been)
Organization: UNLV Computer Science and Electrical Engineering
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 00:11:07 GMT



I know this is getting old, but I can't resist registering my vote.
(Anyway, I just discovered this newsgroup and there are already hundreds
of articles.  I think life moves too fast for me.)

Best character?  Maurice.  I love his facial expressions.

I don't have a favorite episode, but my favorite scene is the one
where Maurice and his former captain-or-commander-or-whatever are 
fishing and the guy asks Maurice for money.  Maurice's discomfort
sent chills up my spine.

kbb
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From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
Subject: etc.
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:12:13 GMT

Just some loose ends...
1. Rob Morrow leaving? <:( I am not a Joel fan, but I do like Rob Morrow. 
And no, it is not because I'm a teenage girl and he's a cute guy--I do not
think he's cute anyways. (Ed is much cuter ;)) I think that everyone gets
stuck on what an overbearing pain-in-the-ass Joel is and forgets that Rob
Morrow is actually a pretty talented actor. (Forget his vomit-inducing
appearance on Saturday Night Live--except for the song about not raping the
cattle, which proved that he has a good singing voice even if the lyrics
bite, this episode was not even worth watching.) Think about it. Joel acts
like a jerk most of the time, it's true. But every now and then he acts like
a good person. It's not easy to reverse a character's behaviour completely
and still have it be recognizably the same character. Besides, did anyone
see the one with Joel's "evil twin"? Now, that is acting.
2.Someone asked about who Rick Pedersen was. He was, of course, Maggie's
ex-s.o.--the one that ate the satellite.
3. I am also a big fan of the Chris-Bernard and Ed-Ruthanne relationships.
(Actually, I'm a really big Ed fan.) And I like the one between Shelly and
Holling--they're not worried about P.C., they're perfectly happy admitting
that they love each other for their bodies and that they're horny as hell.
The thing with Marilyn and the Flying Man is one of the best things I've
seen on TV in about eight years. It was great. Does anyone know if they're
going to rerun it any time soon, so I can tape it?
4. For the person that asked about They Might Be Giants: the album you are
missing is Lincoln, which was the first one. TMBG had one video that was on
VH1--anyone know what song it was? Also, if any of you are TMBG fans and
are in driving distance of Boston, they're playing at the Hatch Shell Sunday 
night at eight. It's free. Go see 'em, they're awesome.
			Rosaleen Dhu
p.s. How could I forget? I think TMBG also had an album called simply "They
Might Be Giants", but don't quote me on that one.
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From: mtucker@greyrock.mso.colostate.edu (Michael R. Tucker)
Subject: Re: Steppin' Out of Character
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:14:01 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Microcomputer Services


I *hated* that!  It was a terrible cop-out!  I thought the writers to
be more creative than that.  I mean, Moonlighting (sp?) did that
stuff, and it was ok, but for some reason, it's not cool with NX.
I don't really know why......I guess I expected more from the writers.
Now, the show will never be the same.
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From: barb@ufycorp.Unify.Com (Barbara Kane)
Subject: Re: Best Episode
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 16:00:44 GMT

In article <92252.163110C09615ST@wuvmd.wustl.edu> C09615ST@wuvmd.wustl.edu writes:

>  1) Who plays the Flying Man?  

Bill Irwin - wonderful performer and master of physical comedy & isolation.

I first noticed him in High School Drama Class (about 10 years ago) when
we were assigned to watch a taped version of a show he did - I think it
was called "Regard of Flight".  

He's done several movies, usually small roles that require some physical
feat and some of you may remember him from Bobby McFerrin's video with
Robin Williams - "Don't Worry, Be Happy".

Barbara Kane                                               Unify Corporation
                        *******************
I teleported home last night with Ron & Syd & Meg
Ron stole Meggie's heart away, and I got Sydney's leg  -- D. Adams
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From: stevenst@iaserv.b1.ingr.com (Todd Stevens)
Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
Organization: ingr
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:21:30 GMT

Elizabeth Hudon writes:
>Why do you (plural) love the show? or, Are you drawn to the show because
>of a particular character or set of characters?

Elizabeth,

I am hopelessly drawn to this "neighborhood without walls".  Their
harsh and remote existence forces a closely-knit interdependence that has all 
but vanished from the American landscape.  These are not neighbors who only 
say hi and bye as they retrieve their mail or hop in their cars.  These 
characters, with all their quirkiness, are truly "Cicelians" in a much deeper
and abiding sense than most of us could ever imagine.  Paradoxically,
by forging such strong communal relationships, each member becomes much
more of an "individual" as well.

As you can probably tell, Chris is my favorite!!!!

~~~Todd Stevens~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~stevenst@iaserv.b1.ingr.com~~~
   "It's not the thing we fling, it's the fling itself." - Chris Stevens
   (Upon catapulting Maggie's scorched piano over the populace of Cicely)

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From: ckirby@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Charles Kirby)
Subject: Re: Death to Chris
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:13:58 GMT

In article <FRANL.92Sep11140002@draco.centerline.com> franl@centerline.com (Fran Litterio) writes:

>Chris is a foil.  Infrequently, an episode centers around him, but
>mostly he says things about what's happening to other characters.
>...  I love the contradicitions in his character.  It
>reminds me to be more aware of my own.

I really enjoy Chris' character (usually).  He does have the type of
personality that I think would grate on one's nerves, however.  As a matter
of fact, sometimes I am surprised that Maurice does not tighten the
reigns on his broadcasts more often.  The one episode I found Chris to
be almost intolerably obnoxious was when he decided to become a partner
in the Brick.  Then again, I think this obnoxious turn was deliberate.

>Here's a wild theory:
>
>Chris is very philosophical (even theological).  He's at odds with the
>powers that be (a fugitive from justice).  

Actually, I believe he is an ex-con who has paid his dues.  I think his
attraction to the philosophical aspects of life started when he was
"in the joint."

>He's in his thirties and knows he'll die soon.  

As a matter of fact, Chris and Holling had a conversation more or less
contrasting the longevity of Holling's ancestors with the usually short
lifespans of Chris' ancestors.


Charles
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From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
Subject: ?
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:25:13 GMT

Okay,the question every Northern Exposure fan wants answered: Will Maggie
and Joel EVER sleep together? Huh?
Also: In the episode--don't remember which one--where Maurice is flashing-
back and sees Shelly in the beauty contest, a song is playing in the
background. It's sung by either a contralto or a countertenor, with a very
thick English or Aussie accent, and all I can remember are the words "pretty
lady, won't you stay?" If anyone knows what song this is, please let me
know. Thanks!
				Rosaleen Dhu
Inspiration comes from a showerhead
			--Michael Campana
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From: tad@ssc.wa.com (Tad Cook)
Subject: Re: Northern Exposure book
Organization: very little
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 00:30:29 GMT

In article <Bu9Dwz.2Bt@news.larc.nasa.gov> bogart@sabre.larc.nasa.gov (Ed Bogart) writes:
>
>Tad Cook posts;
> 
>-Actually, not much is filmed in Roslyn.  The exterior shots of the
>-town that you see in the opening sequence are filmed there, but
>-all of the interiors are shot in a studio built in an industrial
>-park in Redmond.
>
>Well Tad, you may be from Seatle and I'm from far away Virginia, but you
>are wrong.  I was in Roslyn saw the interior sets for the store, Joel's
>office and waiting room and the radio station.  I was told that the interiors
>for the Brick were shot out of town though.

Hmmmm....interesting.  Well, all of my info is second-hand, from friends
and friends of friends, relatives of friends, and acquaintances that
have appeared on the show.

I wonder if some of the interior sets could be in TWO places?  Roslyn
is far enough away that it is not exactly convenient to get there
from Seattle a lot.

Wait a minute.....sounds like the interiors you saw are all of places
that have windows looking out onto the street.  Ruth Ann's store
couldn't very well be shot indoors in Redmond, because you can see
folks on the street through the windoes.  Same with the radio station,
and at least part of the doctor's office.
>
>Ed
>
You're ED??!?!?

>


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From: glazer@cs.cornell.edu (Scott Mathew Glazer)
Subject: Re: Steppin' Out of Character
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:02:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.185535.20395@lmt.mn.org> ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson) writes:
>
>  I think that I have never seen a TV show which broke the "third
>wall" so well as that episode.
>
>  Without completely leaving character, they were able to step out
>of script and, in the pretense of their personas, discuss the
>situation in a way that, I guess in a kind of kookie way, empowered
>their personas -- allowed us to see their opinions of themselves
>in a very "intimate" way.  We were allowed to voyeristically
>observe the citizens of Cicely as they examined themselves.
>
>  It was, though, really odd to see them not entirely step out
>of persona whilst still discussing various re-writes and green-room
>stuff.
>
[...]
>  Ooh -- maybe that's another hint ... they stopped being "in character"
>for long enough without stepping out of "persona" that it made them seem
>like that's the way they _REALLY_ are.  Made it look like a bunch
>of type-cast people following a script, but essentially playing themselves.
>

 I think I would have been less hurt by this scene if they had totally
stepped out of character and revealed completely different characters;
at least this would have been a clear signal to halt the suspension of
disbelief.

 As it was, I'm supposed to buy that these characters really exist, but
all their actions and words are meticulously scripted by themselves before
they do or say anything.  No Thanks.


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From: lagman@CS.ColoState.EDU (annette)
Subject: Re: Steppin' Out of Character
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:20:45 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

In article <1992Sep10.151620.2551@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> gmclucki@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Gemma McLuckie) writes:
>My question is: With so many good episodes to choose from, why did the network 
>rerun one of the weakest? And one of the earliest, when characters weren't as 
>developed, etc.?

	Because of the Fisher-Spassky rematch?  Probably not.
	Anyway, I thought the chess match scene was hilarious.

	annette
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From: sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Borders)
Subject: The ethics of the fling (was Re: Joel/Maggie question)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:23:36 GMT

mwalker.PRV_QM_ENG@wc_smtp_knet.wc.novell.com (Mel Walker) writes:

>In article <1992Sep9.150347@fdr.jsc.nasa.gov>, shirley@fdr.jsc.nasa.gov
>(Bill Shirley [CSC]) wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> In article <1992Sep8.185645.14439@indetech.com>, alix@indetech.com (Al
xandria North) writes:
>> > In article <m-rn!5j.clark@netcom.com> clark@netcom.com (Sue Clark) w
ites:
>> > >nancyo@fraser.sfu.ca (Nancy Patricia O'Connor) writes:
>> > >
>> > >>gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
>> > >
>> 
>> 	[..]
>> 
>> > I was truly, deeply offended 
>> > by the episode where Chris was engineering a way to catapult a cow.
>> > (Angry enough to write the producers.) While Chris didn't actually 
>> > go through with this idea, it had nothing to do with the disgusting 
>> > nature of the idea, just the lack of novelty.
>> > 
>> > Now, I don't eat beef, but my husband does, and even he found this 
>> > catapult-a-cow concept revolting. Flinging a living creature through

>> > the air for entertainment is vile (unless we're talking about a 
>> > "human cannon" who loves the job!). I had a hard time believing that

>> > the character of Chris would even thing this up in the first place.
>> 
>> That was the whole point of the show.
>> 
>> Sometimes Art has to be offensive.

>How can that be the point, when none of the townspeople thought it
>particularly offensive? Even Joel only thought it was a little strange.

>Besides, Art doesn't have to be offensive, but that's for a different
>newsgroup.

>------
>Mel Walker                                          mwalker@novell.com

As I recall,Joel expressed his indignation to Marilyn, who simply
replied, "We're going to eat it after."  To her, and probably to
the other citizens of Cicely, that made the fling-thing OK.  Now
*senseless* killing of the animal (i.e., not having a roast beef
feed) would probably have offended them.  These are, of course,
my opinions on the matter.  Flames from rabid PETA members and vegi-
tarians *not* welcome ;-).

                             Scott

Doesn't Pizza Hut offer a Dead-animal Lover's Pizza?  Mmmmm . . .
From: burns@thurifer.harvard.edu (John A. Burns)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Where are the children??
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:46:37 GMT
Organization: Chemistry Department, Harvard University

stigle@cs.unca.edu (Sue Stigleman) writes:

`I haven't seen a TV show yet where
`the children added to the show instead of taking it over.

I think Roseanne does a pretty good job of keeping the kids
realistic, not too cute, and in their proper place.  While
I can't imagine kids being part of the core NE cast, the
show has done a lot of good work with guest and recurring
characters too.

-- 
John A. Burns (burns@thurifer.harvard.edu)
        "Don't get mad at an elf."
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From: bilan@netcom.com (Steve Bilan)
Subject: Joel/Maggie relationship - bad move?
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 21:18:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom


I'm a bit suprised to see that the Joel/Maggie relationship is so
popular (at least among the posters to this group).  Personally,
I think it's the only bad element of the show.  The reason that I
don't like it is because it's so derivitive (in bolder terms, it's
a ripoff) of the Sam/Diane relationship in Cheers.  Everything in
the plot is extremely original execept for this love/hate relation-
ship.

The repationship that I've found to be humorous and enjoyable is
the one between Hollings and Shelly.   Here you have a man that is
normally the picture definition of an Alaskan man, but whenever he
is around the teenage valley girl, he's completely emasculated.




M, BATR..
..Steve Bilan