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From: piscine@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (henry bart)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: What's up with Fripp/Crimson?
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:29:16 GMT
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
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>What's the latest on King Crimson? Has there
>been a reformation? Is the first of the rumoured
>multi-disc live sets still to be released in oct/nov?

FG> I read somewhere (a magazine pertaining mainly to YES) that King
FG> Crimson has reformed. The new incarnation will include everyone
FG> from the Discipline days except for Bruford who will be replaced by
FG> Jerry Moratta

It was my understanding that Crimson was to reform with Fripp (of course),
David Sylvian, Trey Gunn, and Jerry Morotta.


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From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: sinead o'connor; i'm
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:52:36 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

HH>piece as performance was, well -- lacking.  My money is on it being
HH>half a message and half publicity stunt; granted, she may not justify
HH>the piece on the grounds of publicity, but she does manage to grab as
HH>much attention as she can when she can.  (note: If it was Madonna, nobody
HH>would think twice about calling it a cheap publicity stunt, and as far
HH>as I can ascertain, Madonna is easily as serious, and unquestionably
HH>as controversial in regard to issues that she cares about.  Thus I
HH>feel a little bit justified in suggesting Sinead is not beyond being
HH>outragious just for the cameras).

     The difference between Sinead O'Connor's publicity stunt and anything
     Madonna would do, however, is this: for Sinead, it's something that
     she really, honestly believes in.  If she hates the Church, then
     that's her opinion and she's free to express it.  She can get as
     many people P.O.'ed as she wants - but it's still her opinion.

     With Madonna, on the other hand, the whole thing would be geared
     solely towards selling records.  I laugh whenever I hear her referring
     to herself as an "artist" and that she's performing "her art."  She's
     a songwriter, and she can make catchy dance rhythms, but she does it
     all for the sole purpose of making money.  Now, there's nothing
     wrong with being in the music business just to make money - bands do
     it all the time - but to deliberately generate controversy solely
     to sell records is NOT the same thing as expressing your opinion
     onstage and getting people ticked off in the process.  Madonna's
     not an artist; she's a shrewd and talented businesswoman.  There's
     a difference between the two.
---
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From: rlhg3295@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Robert  Howerton)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: yes/rush proglink...
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:53:31 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

How about this connection:Rush/Peart-Jeff Berlin(Champion of the World)/
Bruford/Yes.

Robert
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,rec.music.misc
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Kevin Ayers 
Pate: wrs.com!malcolm
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:58:07 GMT

rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost) writes:

>In the recent posts about Kevin Ayers it sounded like he had dropped off the
>face of the Earth after about 1978, but I just saw two new Ayers CDs in a store
>last night:  "Falling Up" a Virgin release from 1988 and "Still Life With
>Guitar" on  some label I had never heard of, dated 91 or 92.  As both were
>imports, they were $29 U.S. which was way out of my price range.

You should be able to find Still Life for closer to $20. Kevin fell off
the face of the earth into Spain, where he's lived comfortably for most
of the last 20 years or so, with his wife and kids (3 of them, I think). 

An issue of Record Collector, a UK mag sort of like Goldmine, had an 
interview with Kevin in 1991, and I know people through the net that have
seen him live in Germany and in Japan in the last year. 

Kevin is actually due for a small US tour next month, and another release
of his is due on Voiceprint next year, as soon as they decide whether it'll
be a re-issue or something new. Here's the tour info I have right now:

Kevin Ayers US tour
w/Kevin Armstrong (worked with Thomas Dolby? Iggy Pop, & Local Hero SW 9)

11/21 Denver  maybe the 19th too?
11/23 Kansas
11/28 Los Angeles
11/30 San Jose
12/1  San Francisco
12/3  Rochester
12/4  Cleveland
12/5  Detroit
12/6  Baltimore
12/8  Toronto
12/10 Boston
12/12 NYC

I'll probably be able to dig up some info on venues if you need it for a
specific city. 

  - malcolm@wrs.com  
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Subject: Re: Kevin Ayers
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date:  8 OCT 92 09:21:47    


In the recent posts about Kevin Ayers it sounded like he had dropped off the
face of the Earth after about 1978, but I just saw two new Ayers CDs in a store
last night:  "Falling Up" a Virgin release from 1988 and "Still Life With
Guitar" on  some label I had never heard of, dated 91 or 92.  As both were
imports, they were $29 U.S. which was way out of my price range.


					Brian Rost @rgb.enet.dec.com

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From: borella@cs.ucdavis.edu (Mike Borella)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: A faster Genesis to Exodus Proglink!!!
Date: 14 Oct 1992 20:06:31 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


God, I'm having too much fun with this!

I forgot an obvious one:

Exodus -> Kirk Hammett (original member) -> Metallica -> Jason Newstead
-> Flotsam and Jetsam -> Troy... (bassist on No Place for Disgrace tour)
told me that he was in a shortlived, non-recording band with vocalist
Jeff Scott Soto -> Yngwie Malmsteen -> Graham Bonnet (played with Yngwie
in Alcatrazz) -> Mel Collins (on Line Up) -> King Crimson -> Bruford
-> Genesis

-Mike
From: chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Proposal for a game:  proglink
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:30:56 GMT
Organization: School of Cognitive & Computing Sciences, Univ. of Sussex
In-reply-to: chrisley@oxford.ac.uk's message of 12 Oct 92 16:53:3


Some corrections already:

   And, just to be perverse, multiple album links between artists are
   worse than single links.  That is, the Jonathan Mover chain above
   would be preferred to the Mosley one, since Mover only recorded a few
   tracks with Marillion, while Mosley has recorded several albums.

That is, at the ends of chains, where it is not a case of two artists
being linked, but an artist and a group, the number of album/release
appearances of the artist in the group will lower the quality of the
chain.

   The first few criteria are to make things easier to verify, while the
   last one is to make things more interesting.  It's easy to think of
   non-tenuous connections between Asia and King Crimson (Wetton), but it
   takes a little more knowledge to make the weaker Lake connection


(which loses some points for being only a live link to Asia, but is a
better link to King Crimson since Lake was only on 2 Crimson albums)

   Scoring: the length of a chain = the number of people mentioned in the
   chain.  To this you add 1 point for every time one of your links
   contains one of the undesirable elements in the 4 criteria mentioned
                                                  ^^^

5 criteria, actually.

   above (for the 4th criteria, add 1 if there is more than one release
                 ^^^^^

5th criteria, I mean.
            
   on which the two appeared; for tie-breakers, add the number of
   different releases minus 1; WARNING: this might take a while to
   compute, and may not terminate.  Might be best to accept a tie!).

   EG:  

   FGTH: Steve Howe
   YES: Bruford
   GENESIS: Banks
   "Shortcut to Somewhere": Fish
   MARILLION

   = 4 +
   1 (since Bruford didn't record studio with Genesis, only live)
   1 (since Bruford was on ~7 Yes albums with Howe)
 
Plus 1 since Fish was on many Marillion albums!

   = 6

= 7

   FGTH: Steve Howe
   GTR: Jonathan Mover
   MARILLION
   = 2 +
   1 if Mover didn't do the remixes for MSH & 3Boats; I forget
   = 3?

   FGTH: Steve Howe
   PROPAGANDA: Mosley
   MARILLION
   = 2

+ 1 since Mosley has been on many Marillion albums.  Which makes it a
tie at 3, with the Mover answer the possible winner.


   Here's a first try:  ELP and Black Sabbath


Good luck!
--
Ronald L. Chrisley  ronc@cogs.susx.ac.uk
COGS, University of Sussex
Falmer, Brighton, BN1 9QH, UK
From: chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Real to Reel (sp?)
Date: 16 Oct 92 11:47:07 GMT
	<1bi2kmINN9fr@gap.caltech.edu>
Organization: School of Cognitive & Computing Sciences, Univ. of Sussex
In-reply-to: UnoJ's message of 14 Oct 92 21:15:02 GMT

In article <1bi2kmINN9fr@gap.caltech.edu> UnoJ writes:

   _Cinderella Search_: now this was a B-side for cryin' out loud.
   I went back to listen to B-sides Themselves to see what I missed.
   Live, this song receives the face lift it really deserves. The
   not-on-the-original _Welcome back to the circus_ lyric at the
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  
   end of the song is sung by Fish in his better 'n Gabriel melodrama
   style: great!

Actually, the final "Welcome bttc" is on the original version (12") of
CS, it's just that they didn't use this version for B-sides
Themselves, whicch came much later.

   Once again, if you see it, buy it! You won't regret it!

I'm very surprised that you didn't mention the excellent "Emerald
Lies", which is truly the highlight of the album for me.  Or do you
only have the LP?

      UnoJ

Real to Reel is also the name of a Starcastle album.  Are there any
other instances of it?  I seem to recall at least one other..

--
Ronald L. Chrisley  ronc@cogs.susx.ac.uk
COGS, University of Sussex
Falmer, Brighton, BN1 9QH, UK
From: chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Proposal for a game:  proglink
Date: 13 Oct 92 10:25:55 GMT
	<CHRISLEY.92Oct12173056@black.oxford.ac.uk>
	<1992Oct12.180338.2116@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
Organization: School of Cognitive & Computing Sciences, Univ. of Sussex
In-reply-to: reaume@bmerh962.bnr.ca's message of 12 Oct 92 18:03:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.180338.2116@bmerh85.bnr.ca> reaume@bmerh962.bnr.ca (Andy Reaume) writes:

   ELP: Cozy Powell
   Black Sabbath: Cozy Powell

Very good, but actually, I meant Emerson, Lake & Palmer.  There is a
2-person link that involves official, studio recordings only.

But now you should suggest one for us!

   An interesting idea for a game but there is one problem. Anyone who
   has any version of Peter Frame's progressive rock family tree can
   easily ace this quiz. 

I'm not so sure.  For instance, I'm pretty sure that the link I have
in mind for the above problem isn't mentioned.  Frame only talks about
official band personnel, not all the people who played on tracks, solo
albums, etc.

Ron

Try:

The Crusaders => Led Zeppelin (two non-prog bands, but the links are
prog)

I don't think Frame will help you on that one!

--
Ronald L. Chrisley  ronc@cogs.susx.ac.uk
COGS, University of Sussex
Falmer, Brighton, BN1 9QH, UK
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: rfarias@dcc.uchile.cl ( RAEL!)
Subject: Re: Real to Reel (sp?)
Originator: rfarias@dcc.uchile.cl
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 15:41:28 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion

In article <40747.2819217119@kiwi.gen.nz> rabbi@kiwi.gen.nz (Rabbi Bajzheet) writes:
>I've never heard of this album! Thought I had all the Marillion stuff, prior to
>Fish's departure. 
>

  Mo, it's an album. The original release (on vinyl) featured:
  -Assasing
  -Incubus
  -Cinderella Search
  -Forgotten Sons
  -Garden Party 
  -Market Square Heroes

  the CD version added "Emerald Lies".

  It was recorded in 1984 (in England and Canada, please correct me if I'm
wrong), between Fugazi and Misplaced Childhood. As you can see, Fish was still
with the guys at that time.


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From: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Review: ASGARD - "Arkana"
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:18:00 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Presently I'm listening to _Arkana_, the new album by ASGARD. For those
not familiar with this band, they are Italian with english vocals.
Their sound is full of power and grandeur, very symphonic, with affected
vocals, shifting moods and almost schizophrenic dynamic changes. Overall,
their material is full of feeling and emotion, ofttimes ethereal, yet
very directed and always dark (although I've never really sat down and
given the lyrics close scrutiny).
The vocalist is nothing short of exceptional, and the rest of the band
supports him well, rather than burying him. The extended instrumental
passages show a band capable of producing raw power, melodic cohesion,
and subtle restraint when needed. Comparisons ? Sometimes I hear echoes
of some great 70's Italian bands like PFM, Raccomandata RR, Island, and
others, yet the vocalist reminds a little of Aragon, Galadriel or Mugen,
sort of gothic, but to be fair, these guys are pretty unique.

Anyway, for those who are familiar with Asgard's two previous releases
(_Gotterdamerung_ from 1991 and _Esoteric Poem_ from 1992), this newest
release shows the band expanding out into some new musical territory,
breaking new ground at every twist and turn in the album's 74 minutes.
They are a six-piece now, and as usual there are no credits as to who
plays what. In short, I believe this to be their best by far.


peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: buzzsaw@bluemoon.rn.com (Patrick Buzby)
Subject: Brand X
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 18:45:58 EDT

A short time ago I bought "X-Trax", a compliation of material by Brand X.  
At its best, this is really superb progressive-fusion music.  There are a 
bunch of their albums around here, so I'd be interested to hear which are 
the best.  (Judging by "X-Trax", "Morrocan Roll," "Livestock," and 
"Masqwes" sound especially good).  Also, if anyone's heard their new 
album: first, is it good, and second, who's on it?  (Percy?  Goodsall?  
Surely not Phil?)

     Pat Buzby           "Fried ice cream is a reality!"-George Clinton
     Grove City, OH      "Music is the best."-Frank Zappa
From: craigs@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Craig Shipley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,rec.music.newage,rec.music.misc
Subject: i/e Magazine UPDATE
Keywords: corrections PLEASE READ
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:53:43 GMT

> For those of you  that are not geting you literary fill from reading
> the 'Net, there is a new magazine devoted to progressive (as defined
> by the charter of the alt.music.progressive newgroup) and new age music.
                                                NOT!!!!!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Note the correction in the subscription info below.

> It is called "i/e" and a US subscription runs $10.00 for four issues.
                                                 $16.00 for four issues.
Inquire for overseas rates.

> For further info, write:
> 
Note the correction to the address:

"i/e Magazine" instead of Think Tank Tomes
> 2300 N. Yucca
> Chandler, AZ 85224
> 
> (602) 821-1061
> 
Make checks or money orders payable to Darren Bergstein.

> I just looked thru the one sample issue and saw such articles as "It's
> OK to like Marillion". The contributing editors are or were involved
> with Tower Records' PULSE! magazine, specifically the Contemporary
> Instrumental / New Age columns.

There is some info in the above paragraph that is incorrect! THIS IS NOT
A NEW-AGE MAGAZINE!!! If I were asked to name a similar magazine, the
UK Audion would be the closest in scope. Also this magazine is in no way
affiliated with the Tower Record or PULSE! in any way, other that they 
(Tower) are going to sell the issue. To give a little better scope as
to what i./e. is going to cover, in the premire issue, such labels as
Musea and Erdenklang were covered, there were interviews of Steve
Roach and Kit Watkins, numerous reviews of  progressive rock, electronic
music, avant-garde and experimental music. Issue two is going cover
Djam Karet & Steve Hackett. Note that there is _no_ New Age reviewed
_anywhere_ in this or any future issue!

> 
> No affiliation with the above mentioned magazines.
> 

Other than Darren and I worked on this correction together!

Regards,

Craig Shipley

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=  Pyramid Technology Corp., Annapolis Junction, MD  = oF SPaCeSHiP eaRTH!!   =
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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: *** Steve Sycamore, where are you?
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:14:14 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <92287.160703DAB112@psuvm.psu.edu> DAB112@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
|Hey, Steve, where'd you go?  Weren't you going to get back to me with your
>new net address?  Well, anyway, full steam ahead with the albums.  My
|address is :
|                    David A. Barro              Ph.  (814) 867-2816
|                    719-A Whitehall Rd.
|                    State College, PA  16801
|
|                                           Thanks!!
|                                                   Dave
|P.S.  I just got out of court, and was found NOT GUILTY of a speeding
|      charge!!  Justice is truly done, this time!  I'm so excited!

We're excited for you too, but you might think about using email for these
kinds of things.
-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
+==========================================================================+
From: ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk (Ian Coleman)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Proglink
Date: 16 Oct 92 07:44:51 GMT
Reply-To: ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Laboratories

In article 6458@cs.nott.ac.uk, pcxkrm@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (K.R.Marshall) writes:

>It seems to me we have an obvious answer to all the proglink questions:
>e.g group A (chosen at random) => group B (also chosen at random):
>
>Group A -> Mel Collins played on obscure 70's album
>Mel Collins -> Group B
>
>.... and there you have it!

Like it!

Whilst on the subject of Mel, I have an almost totally un-related question.

The sax is quite possibly my favourite intsrument, yet two of my favourite
groups, Genesis & Yes, to the best of my knowledge have *never* used one?

I have all the Genesis Studio albums except Trespass, and a selection of Yes
and cannot recall a sax on any of them.

Anyone care to correct me!??

---
Ian Coleman      | "My left arm is drifting off into the sunset, how
ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk |  am I going to operate my digital watch now?" 
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Kevin Ayers
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:23:07 GMT

jonsson@well.sf.ca.us (Darrell Jonsson) writes:

>It seems Ayers has been making records sporatically in from the mid-70's
>to the present, but there is a large variance of opinion, as regards
>to the consistency in the quality of his work.  Many Ayers fans
>seem to be partial to his early recordings,  also his new record
>is getting critical acclaim.

He's quite a songwriter, but he seems to knock them off almost too easily, 
like these songs just keep falling out of him constantly - he seems more 
focused on words and ballads than on complex musical arrangements. And this
was supposedly part why he left Soft Machine - they were headed in a more
jazzy instrumental direction and Kevin just wanted to write songs. Overall I
do find his work uneven, but I tend to like at least a couple of songs on 
any lp by him. But the releases since 1980 or so have been very hard to find, 
and given that and my only getting halfway into a lot of his lps I haven't 
heard anything he's done in years.  The most recent music by him that I've 
heard was from a 1981 video of Ayers in Spain backed by Ollie, Andy Summers, 
John Cale, Zanna and a few others. It was a pretty interesting show but the
video quality is horrible, totally washed out. 

I've heard the new release is more acoustic. His US tour will be him and
one other guy, so unless they use midi or tapes it'll probably be a fairly
acoustic show too. 

Here's some stuff from the June 92 Record Collector interview/profile. Kevin
was born August 16, 1944 (so he's 48 now), he's done 15 lps. He grew up
in Malaysia from age 6-12. He joined/started the Wilde Flowers in 1963 with
Wyatt, the Hoppers, and Richard Sinclair.   

BTW, Still Life With Guitar does not seem to list the musicians. Record
Collector says that Mark Nevin, Danny Thompson, Ollie Halsall, Mike Oldfield,
and Anthony Moore all appear on it. Hmmm, I suspect Oldfield and Moore's
appearanec may be enough to get some more casual fans interested. 

 - malcolm
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Brand X
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:06:48 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Matthew Ira Campbell (mc76+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
: Wait a second, I think "Is There Anything About?" is clearly their best
: album that I have.  This came out in their prime, early eighties, and
: contains some of the best progressive jazz I've heard.  

Anything About is an interesting album, since it consists of
outtakes and unused tracks and anything else Robin Lumley could
find lying around. 

"Modern, Noisy, and Effective" is a new keyboard melody played on top 
of the backing track to Soho (just bass & drums) -- and the engineering
to Soho and Wal to Wal on Product, done my Mr. Phil Collins, was described
as Modern, Noisy, and Effective on the Product liner notes.

(play one rigt after the other)

TMIU-ATGA -- they make it up as they go along -- a classic track if ever
there was one.

: Interestingly
: though, there is an excellent bass song on this album called A Longer
: April that does not include Percy Jones but instead was written by guest
: bassist, John Giblin who is the same guy that plays in Fish's Company
: and sessions on a couple Gabriel album!

Actually, Giblin was a member in good standing since 1979's Product --
to which he contributed a song called April. This longer april is
just that -- really longer, adding the middle section and the horn
player.  I like the original much better, which is primarily the bass
riff.

:     Whoops look like I just gave away Hole #9 of the proglinks course,
: the Fish=>Gabriel connection!

Well, Giblin has appeared *everywhere* doing sessions! (He was
on a Simple Minds record that had a cover of Biko -- never got it,
but saw him in the credits. You could make a Giblin connection to
a lot of artists.)

Scott