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From: chuck@edsi.plexus.COM (Chuck Tomasi)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: I Borg{==}Vendetta
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:03:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: edsi.1992Nov12.220354.17360
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI

bssbc3gsd@dct.ac.uk writes:

:)Is it just me or are there similarities between "I Borg" (which i havent seen,
:)only read a synopsis of) and the novel "Vendetta"?????

:)Crew find borg trooper

:)crew bring borg trooper on ship

:)geordi tries to be friends...

That's what I first thought when I saw the commercials for "I Borg"
however there are enough differences (more than similarities) once you
watch the show.  It isn't uncommon for you to make the comparison, but
since you noted that you haven't seen "I Borg" I suggest you do and then
make another judgement.  I thought "I Borg" was a decent story, but not
nearly the excitement of "Vendetta."  Vendetta would make one heck of a
movie IMHO, but it may be a little late for that at this point.  A lot
of things were "dated" in the book, but I suppose it could be brought up
to date without much problem.
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From: choy@skorpio.usask.ca (I am a terminator.)
Subject: STTNG is really weak
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:31:57 GMT


I am appalled. The Star Trek shows try to prove some points, but they
usually use biased examples. Hardly anything general is proven, and the
issues are confused. The characters relate to their technology with a
1980's perspective. The characters sometimes mention their fundamental
arguments and principles, but do not fully apply them or justify them.
It's just a slapped together for the entertainment of the masses. If
the episodes were real, the Enterprise would be long blown to space
dust.

Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca
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From: GINA@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU
Subject: Re: A Lament.  A big damned Lament.
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:06:16 GMT

In article <BxB5t0.I4I@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> on
Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:53:23 GMT you write:
 
>In article <1992Nov5.003518.44419@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> gimble@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (David Caruso II) writes:
>>My opinion about "Rascals" and more:
>>
>>without substance.  I felt so bad watching this show, wondering why it's been
>>so bad in the sixth season ... wondering what happened to the brilliance of
>>the third.  The show seems to have lost its originality, its intelligence,
>>and above all, its true substance.
>>
>>       I am a serious fan of this show, but I can't help but think that
>>what I am a fan of is wholly in the past.  *big sigh*  I hope it picks back
>>up ...
>
>Come on guys...
>
>Most of you have been "lamenting" since the beginning of the season, and
>the chief lamenter himself decided not to watch the show anymore. I can't
>believe it.
>
>Just think about the first season. "The Last Outpost". "Skin of Evil".
>"The Naked Now". Or worse, "Justice".
>
>C-O-M-E  O-N!!!!!    THESE were bad, not the episodes of the current season!
>
>I don't think it's as worse as everybody seems to think!
>
>When the quality of the shows will have fallen to the level of the first
>year, THEN we will have a reason to be desperate. But not now...
 
I've heard this argument several times in the last eighteen months.  I
didn't buy it the first time it came around, and I still think it's bogus.
If the first season had been as unsatisfying as Trek has been of late, I
would have given up watching it long ago.
 
I'll admit that the first season had some cheesy episodes, but I didn't
wince when I watched them.  And I _did_ watch them, usually both times on
the initial run and both times on the rerun.  I seldom watch any episode
more than once these days.  Yes, there were times during the first season
when I thought, "I can do better than that," but there was usually something
in each episode that I liked, and I cared about the characters.
 
Caring about the characters is really the bottom line for me.  Most of
the science was and is bogus and not really that interesting to me even
if it's done right:  if I want science, I'll read a journal and get the
real thing.  Special effects?  Pretty, but 43 minutes of special effects
isn't going to hold my interest, either.  If I don't identify in some way
with the characters, then I'm not going to tune in week after week, and
that's where I think TNG has painted itself into a corner.  The characters
seem sterile now.  I know that on just about any TV series, the regular
characters are going to be the "good guys" -- i.e., they don't act like
jerks and they save the day.  Of course you want to make your regulars
look good.  But TNG has made them _so_ perfect that only the guest stars
can do juicy stuff.  The regulars learn nothing.  They risk nothing.
Worf can be paralyzed this week, but next week he won't even have a limp.
When their problems and emotions are that shallow and transitory, it
doesn't matter if I miss an episode... or two... or ten.
 
Gina
From: v128nkej@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN PAST,PRESENT AND FUTURE IS ONLY ILLUSION,HOWEVER PERSISTENT...)
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Subject: Re: Rascals Question
Date: 10 Nov 92 06:43:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <sezmLZm00YUn5OX1YA@andrew.cmu.edu>, dn15+@andrew.cmu.edu (Douglas Lee Nigen) writes...
>This may be a stupid question but since the BoP is clocked why can't they
>just beam a bording party abord the Enterprise?  This would give the
>Enterprise less time to react.
> 
> 
>Doug.

	I believe this follows the same line as not being able to fire when
cloaked, I assume that the same holds true for transporting when cloaked.


		Jim
From: norbert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy James)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: STTNG is really weak
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:30:29 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Nov10.173157.29984@access.usask.ca> choy@skorpio.usask.ca (I am a terminator.) writes:
>
>I am appalled. The Star Trek shows try to prove some points, but they
>usually use biased examples. Hardly anything general is proven, and the
>issues are confused. The characters relate to their technology with a
>1980's perspective. The characters sometimes mention their fundamental
>arguments and principles, but do not fully apply them or justify them.
>It's just a slapped together for the entertainment of the masses. If
>the episodes were real, the Enterprise would be long blown to space
>dust.
>
>Henry Choy
>choy@cs.usask.ca


If the episodes were real we wouldn't be able to watch them
for a few hundred years...
Gee, T.V. slapped togeather for the entertainment of the masses...
Go figure!
Lighten up!  Or find me an absolute in the T.V realm, where everything
is completely realistic and morally sound...if you can, and find someone
who actually likes to watch it...you win my friend...

	In the immortal words of William Shatner on SNL

	"You turned a fun little show that I did as a lark for
	 a few years into a colossal waste of time..."



-- 
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From: ivy@camelot.bradley.edu (Ivelisse Atiles)
Subject: Rascals: a summary
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date:  6 Nov 92 06:32:56 GMT

Here's a basic summary of everything that's been said about
the episode (no spoilers)...

Either you *really* *really* loved it or you *really* *really*
hated it.

I personally thought it was the funnies thing I've ever seen. 8)
IMHO.
--
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Q: How many eco-feminists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
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From: myempire@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matt J. Martin)
Subject: Re: Worf, the Klingon Punching Bag...
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:07:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.115038.3035@gdr.bath.ac.uk> ccspjs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Pete J Suters) writes:
>
>  Hmm, it seems to me that all Klingons are pretty wimpy.  I mean,
>whenever the Klingons have come up against the Feds in the past,
>THEY'VE ALWAYS LOST.
>  We have a phrase over here ... 'all mouth and no trousers' - I think
>that just about sums it up.  They're so busy going on about how they
>are hunters, warriors, and invincable that when it comes down to it,
>they're pretty useless really.
>  It sounds like they're always covering up for the fact that THEY
>ALWAYS LOSE, so it's no suprise to me that Worf is always being
>beaten up, zapped and humiliated ... as he keeps on reminding us,
>he's a KLINGON ...
>
   Now wait just a damn minute!  There have been plenty of examples of
Klingons kickning some serious buttocks.  For instance, and Klingons Kirk
had to deal with always gave him a run for his money.  Especially the one
from STIII (Commander Kruge).  Also, the Klingons from the warship that Riker
temporarily commanded were pretty robust.  Not to mention the very impressive
tactics of the Klingon civil war (some of the most exiting battle scenes in
TNG to date).
  And of course we can't forget the fact that in the alternate timeline 
("Yesterday's Enterprise") the Klingons had the Federation at their mercy.
Clearly there is more than enough examples to demonstrate the fact the
Klingons are no puffta-patrol.
  I suspect that they reason why Worf gets knocker around so much is because
he's always to first one to go charging in while everyone else is still
trying to figure out what's going on.


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From: jblackwo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (J P Blackwood)
Subject: Re: KAHN's last name?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:30:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.194718.17730@njitgw.njit.edu> andy@eies2.njit.edu (Andy)
writes:
>
>Here's something I haven't seen discussed... maybe because it's nothing!
>
>I was watching William Shatner on QVC (a cable shopping channel) last night.
>He was speaking about KAHN (Ricardo Montalban) and mentioned that his
>full name was something like KAHN NUNIAN SING (literal spelling).
>
>Now, isn't the guy who created Mr. Data named DR. NOONIAN SOON, or
>something like that?  Is there some sort of connection between these
>two names other than that they sound similar?
>
>If this is off-topic, an E-mail reply would be appreciated!
>
>Thanks


Khan's name I thing is just Kahn Singh

There is someone else. (maybe its kahnm but I think its someone else) named
somthing like noonian singh or knan noonian sing that led eugenics wars or some
sort of devastatinbg what not around the 1990's or later.

Obsessed trekkers will no doubt correct me.

then, there is Dr. Noonian Sung who built Data and Lore.

A connnection between all three is that there were trying to make or were a
"better" human


As I think of that perhaps the to Singh are the same. Wouldn't the botany bay
be a perfect name for a prison ship (Australian Penal Colony) or was that just
an allusion to the imprisonment on Tau Ceti IV or where ever.

Everyone get out your Space Seed scripts or tapes!!


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email: Blackwood.1@osu.edu

Roses are red
Violets are blue
Some poems rhyme
But this one doesn't.
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From: ext@wam.umd.edu (Eugene Zhu Xia)
Subject: True Q is a great show
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:13:28 GMT


I think True Q is one of the all time great episodes, ranks right there
with The Measure of a Man, Deja Q, and Inner Light.  I like the character
Q (except in the Encounter at Far Point, but that was in the first season).

By the way, what is this obsession with consistancy and nits about this and
that?  This show perhaps comes closest to modern day myth creation on TV.  Do
we really have to pick apart every details--I mean if the classical scholars
do the same thing to Homer, they would all be talking about why Zeus 
dragged Troy's fate for 10 years when it was decided from the beginning.

ST has improved a lot from its mediocre first season, and one can see
the care the writer and the producer put in the show.

So what about Amanda's hand movement?  Well, one center point of the
show is about her innocence, purity and most of all humanity.  Her physical
movement is just that.  Suppose something is coming your way (say 12.75
giga watt of power), would you instinctively raise your arms to protect
yourself?  So the real Q does not do that, but that is because he ain't human.
And what about the issue of changing from human to Q and vice versa?  I
say who cares?!  It is no more relevant to pound on that issue than to
dwell on whether Aeneas's mother was a Goddess and how could that happen.

And what about the behaviour of the Q continuum?  I say it/they are a
moral entity.  Superior morality is about right.  In the immortal words
of the humorous/obnoxious Q, you have no idea what it means to be omnipotent.
Reminds me of a famous saying,  Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts
absolutely.  And the "absolute power" refered to was really quite feeble
compared to omnipotence.  Guess what would happen to Picard if he 
gains omnipotence for a week?  I know the big E has a happy crew, but
they are no where close to the point where they can handle omnipotence
responsibly and morally.  

And with that we come to the one complaint I have about these shows.  It
is all too happy.  Just wish once in a while we get to see a good tragedy.
That will make the myth creation complete.

Finally, we come to the point about who are exactly the Q.  I think it
is similar to the Gods of the ancient Greek only with superior morality.
They behave exactly as the writers want them to behave.  Sometimes
they are funny, sometime menancing, and sometime just plain obnoxious.
By the way, it wouldn't hurt to have Amanda come back once in a while to fix
some mess the big E got herself into with no other way out.  Euripides
used the deus ex machina trick in a lot of places, and it certainly
hadn't diminish the impact of his plays by much.

Eugene

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From: cedler@boi.hp.com (Chris Edler)
Subject: Re: Why do the feds not use / carry cloaking devices?
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:26:15 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

Justin J. Clark (jclark@plains.NoDak.edu) wrote:
: My thought on the matter is that the primary mission of the Enterprise is
: one of exploration and there is therefore very little need for it to be
: equipped with a cloaking device.  They need weapons and shield to defend
:themselves, but a cloaking device seems to be unnecessary except for attacking.

					  ^^^ I find that the "make yourself
					  invisible and hide" is a great      
					  method of defense...
 -Chris 

--
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From: jnb@calmasd.prime.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Rascals:  Kanamorites have missed the point again...
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:40:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: calmasd.1992Nov9.094026.925
Organization: Computervision, San Diego CA

> The uniform thing I didn't buy, ...
On my second viewing, I specifically looked closely at the clothes on the
children when they first beamed on board.  Young Picard's pants are very
baggy from the knee on down, young Ro's hands are completely covered by
her too long sleeves and young Guinan's hat is *much* bigger than later
in the show.  Obviously, by the time they've run all those tests on them
down in sick bay, they've changed clothes that fit them.  That could explain
why young Ro is pulling on her collar and complaining about wanting to
wear her own clothes.

My husband and I really enjoyed this episode.  I also have the same 
complaints about poor Worf's bad aim, the quick overtaking of the ship,
etc. etc..., but the children did a wonderful job.  I kept giggling when
young Picard threw the tantrum and then eventually ran into Riker's
arms.  I kept seeing Stewart and Frakes doing this scene and it made it
all the more funny.

Technically poor, but definitely entertaining!

	Jenne Beauvais			(jnb@calmasd.prime.com)
From: mfjjd@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Joseph J. Dobson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: identify episode
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:52:47 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

Can anyone tell me the name of the episode from the fourth season of 
ST TNG in which Worf kills Duras (sp?)?
From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A Lament. A big damned Lament.
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:35:26 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <rawdon.721271227@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>In <BxB00M.Au9@cmptrc.lonestar.org> brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton) writes:
>>Or at least set some standards for subject lines.. NEG for negative posts and
>>POS for positive ones... maybe even WHN for whining ones.  I generally try to
>>avoid the "Star Trek this season sucks" posts because I don't usually agree.
>>Granted, it has some weak episodes, but nothing can be as bad as the first
>>seven episodes.
>
>I think the first seven of the second season were.
>

Touche'
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Subject: Why no brand names on TNG?
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Date: 9 Nov 92 05:40:15 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <3a2uTB1w165w@freddyk.uucp>, edwardl@freddyk.uucp (Edward Langenback) writes:

> tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) writes:

>> In article <1992Nov6.050148.19034@umbc3.umbc.edu>, cs631112@umbc8.umbc.edu (c

>> > Point blank: why would a military uniform be designed so that it is
>> > hard to get in to?  I know you CAN zip yourself up, but in the 24th
>> > centuty there has got to be a better way.  Any ideas?

>> How about putting buttons on the front of the shirt?  Oh, this is the
>> 24th century so we better call them "unpowered spherical closing units".


> Hmmm... Can you say "Velcro"? 

>              I knew you could.  ;)

Thank you Fred Rogers! ;-)  This actually brings up something I've wondered
about the "Star Trek Universe".  Why aren't their any BRAND NAMES?  Like
Velcro?  Like BUD LIGHT?  You would think you'd see some of this in 10
Forward at least.  Who built the Enterprise?  General Dynamics?  How about
the computer systems?  IBM?  DEC? WANG? WoodCO INC?  This bland "Star Fleet"
tag shakes me to my economic roots.  Obviously the Republicans must have
lost BIG!  They would never have allowed Government to take over private
industry?  When did they lose so big?  1992? ;-)

Terry "Make is Sew!" Wood
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From: blanche@diana.cair.du.edu (Blanche Cohen)
Subject: Re: A Lament.  A big damned Lament.
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 07:50:48 GMT

























I liked the line Young JL says to Troi - "Great, I can go back to the Academy
and be Wesley's roommate." How droll, how apropos, how revolting!

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From: wmesard@cs.stanford.edu (Wayne Mesard)
Subject: Re: Does It really matter??
Organization: Distributed Systems Group, Stanford University
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:15:23

durrant@mentor.cc.purdue.edu rants:
> IT'S JUST A TELEVISION SHOW!!!!!
[...]
> GET A LIFE!!!!!!

Gee what an interesting, inciteful comment.  No one's said that on any
of these newsgroups for...oh, it must be a full eight or nine minutes.

The contributors to this group may seem like dweebs to you.  And some of
them may, in fact, be a bit out of touch with reality.  But they are
entertaining themselves, certainly not hurting anybody and generating
more creative ideas and [occasionally] intellectual discourse than do
most people in the pursuit of most other hobbies.

How about a little tolerance?  I think you'll find it will make you a
more relaxed person.  (And then your CapsLock key will be able to take a
well-earned vacation.)

If you need help figuring out how to unsubscribe from a newsgroup or
create a KILL file, contact your system administrator.
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From: zzekka@unislc.uucp (Zeke Zecca)
Subject: Re: dubbed voice
Reply-To: zzekka@unislc.UUCP (Zeke Zecca,B2C10,4827)
Organization: Unisys, Salt Lake City
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:51:09 GMT

In article <1dnkoqINNse@uwm.edu> spice@convex.csd.uwm.edu (James G Spice) writes:
>Was little Guinan's voice dubbed, or am I stupid?
>
Yea, I wondered about that too!  Zekers!
From: Tom.Hall@f1.n342.z1.ttlg.UUCP (Tom Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Young Picard == Picard's Nephew in "Family"?
Date: 10 Nov 92 05:24:24 GMT

Several of us watching "Rascals" were of the opinion that the actor
who played the young Picard was the same kid who played Renee,
Picard's nephew, in "Family" a couple of seasons ago....

Can anyone confirm this?

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From: glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gordon Locke  )
Subject: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine on CITV (Edmonton)? 
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 01:10:07 GMT

	I live in Newfoundland, but I get the station CITV from
Edmonton, Alberta on cable.  I'm assuming (until I hear different) that
these folks will be picking up the upcoming DS9 show, but if anyone can
confirm my suspicion, it would be greatly appreciated.  To avoid a
deluge of e-mail, I'll post the answer when I get it definitively -- so
before you respond, check ahead and see if I've done that yet. 
	Thanks in advance! 
-- 
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