Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 07:12:12 -0400 
From: Richard Weinstein <rw2g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: SB vs 6 Captains
	<JIVE.92Jul23020557@spanky.ssc.gov>

gee, just what I always wanted: a silly debate about another silly debate

Excerpts from netnews.rec.games.netrek: 23-Jul-92 Re: SB vs 6 Captains
Jim Ivey@spanky.ssc.gov (7721)

# >  snipe me while pulling me off the repair planet. I couln't do much 
# >  about it because you can't kill 6 people in under 10 seconds without
#                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
# >  weapon temping.
#     I'd like to quote you on this from now on.  It reads as an sb won't
# live against 6 people that hit the base within a span of ten seconds.

where do you get that crap? I said you can't dish out that much damage
that fast without wtemping. That's what wtemp IS. It says nothing about
living or dying. You can keep firing as long as you want. You don't 
officially wtemp until you STOP firing. But I guess a captain doesn't
know these things.

#      In other words, you're screwed when six uncloak at the same time.  See
# the first quote I mentioned in the article.

Duh.
We're not talking about 6 people uncloaking together. I thought the whole
debate was about an average 6 man ogg. The AVERAGE 6 man ogg in a REAL GAME
sucks dick. I've survived a hundred without taking serious damage. 

#     So all Captains are so stupid that they can't figure this out.  What
# the hell do you want, Captains from needmore?

Most are, yes! Not people who are captain with 100 hours, but your AVERAGE
captain is not a very good player, and certainly not a good ogger.
# >  #If it took 2 waves,
# >  # only 2 of the oggers were needed before he went BOOM.  
# 
# >  I flatly deny this. The second wave killed me ONCE, when I said "wait til
# 
#     Again, this is a flat-out lie.  Period.  He never lived past the
#second wave.

You don't read whole paragraphs, do you?? OK, I'll keep it simple this time.
I deny it only took 2 oggers on the second wave to kill me. That is a total
and complete falsehood. Twice on the second wave, the LAST living ogger killed
me. Did he kill me when he ogged? NO. He somehow survived his "ogg" by 
running past me out of phaser range, then coming back to hang around 
and snipe me. I don't consider that part of the "wave." I put the "wave"
back to the ship selection window wondering why they couldn't kill me.

#      B.S.  The second waves usually consisted of the first two people
# slamming into you and blowing you up, and the other four wandering around
# aimlessly while you resurrected.

Are we talking about the same night? I'm starting to doubt it. That
happened ONCE.

Oh, well. I planned to go on and on responding to all your B.S., but I
grow weary of it.
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As far as I can tell, this whole stupid thing has gotten down to whether
a good base can live at his home planet when 6 good oggers come to kill
him, by any means they desire. I ask you: WHAT KIND OF STUPID QUESTION
IS THAT? you would never have to "ogg" the base, you could stand back
and blow torps at him outside of tractor range. I thought we went 
through this in the original thread?!?!? That question has no bearing
on the game of netrek. I thought we wanted to see if standard ogg WAVES
of 6 AVERAGE players could beat the best bases. I don't consider myself
one of the best bases, but felt insulted by W.Katz's post, and felt I 
had to defend myself.

You guys really don't understand the power of Balton, Balinor, and 
SpaceAce!, do you? DAMN I wish Craig were here. What the hell am *I*
doing as the representative of the "Unkillable SB"?? I'm not even in
the top ten, and you still had troubles with me.

--Rick

all flames to /dev/null PLEASE. I do NOT want further comment on this
idiocy until we see how Rob does.
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