From: JLB155@psuvm.psu.edu (Jennifer Brown)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,soc.men,soc.women
Subject: You want to win.
Date: 11 Apr 92 15:55:51 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

That's all you guys want to do.  You want to argue.  You want to complain.
You want to try to prove your points.  You want to win.

You care nothing about actual, usable, viable alternatives.  You sit here
and read and post.  I've been away for a while, but I came up with an
alternative.  I asked for comments.  Nothing was said.

Something to end your complaints.  You don't care.
(Forgive me if you've been physically rallying to get something done)

You don't want *fairness*.  Few of you are actually involved in cases
where abortion may be a "necessary evil".  I tried to think of something
that would *help* me if I ever needed to make a choice.  Especially
with the legal ramifications, as that seems to be what our country
operates on.

You don't want *fairness*.  You want to say that you won.  You want
to say that you conquered.  You want to say that you are superior.
I want something that will help me decide what to do.  I wanted
something that would be ethically correct, morally correct, and
what I felt was correct.  But if I want to remain in this country
as a citizen, I have to work with the legal department first:

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"In order to maintain a minimum of unwanted births and unwanted legalities
of child support and custody arrangements, all persons who have the
possibility of becoming a parent need the express written and verbal
permission of the other potential parent before having a child.
If such permission has not been granted, a pregnancy of this unresolved
matter will be terminated, before and up to the 180th day of the
pregnancy.  Arrangements can be made for the child, once born, to
be adopted, given that both parties sign these Adoption Arrangement
papers.  Once again, if neither papers have been signed, the pregnancy
will be terminated up to and including the 180th day of the pregnancy.
If the mother is ambitious enough to still want to raise the baby by
herself, such papers must be signed by the mother with a copy given
to the father, stating that she alone is the parent of the child,
no legal actions will be required of the father, no child support
will be sued unto him, all parental rights to this child will be
discontinued.  If a father wants a child, the same papers will have
to be signed by him and a copy given to the mother, stating that he
will be the sole parent, no legal actions will be required of the
mother, no child support will be sued unto her, and all parental
rights to this child will be discontinued.  Furthermore, with the
father being the sole parent, the child will be a "test-tube" baby.
(This will be as the artificial insemination is to the mother
being the sole parent.)"

This accounts for a couple who wants a child.  They both sign.
This accounts for the non-death of the pre-child, for persons
who wish to raise the child as a sole parent.  (Does this make
the pro-life people happy?)
This accounts for a person who wants a child, and a person who
doesn't want them to have the child.  Basically, its as though
the child was never born, for the second non-wanting person.
This accounts for a woman who decides that she doesn't want the
child afterall, she can abort by the 180th day or she can get
the father to agree to the adoption or she can get the father
to raise the child himself.  (This is the woman's decision)
This accounts for men who don't want children, either the woman
raises it herself, they agree to adoption, or he doesn't sign the
first papers which causes the pregnancy termination upto the
180th day.
This forces the prospective parents to make a decision about
absolute parenthood (either you have the child, or you give up
the child to abortion, adoption, or to the other parent), before
the child is born.

Oh, there should probably be some clauses added on.

"Any person (woman) who decidingly does not disclose the name
of the father, automatically sets the father free from all
legalities and child support issues; until such time as the
father is discovered, in which case he has a say in who gets
custody or if he wants to stay out of the child's life.
The latter is the same as if the mother signed the final set
of papers, and the father acknowledged it.  The mother will
have the same choices, if the father of a "test-tube" baby
decidingly does not disclose the mother's name.  All artificial
inseminations will be reacted upon, as they are currently, with
the donor being anonymous and giving up all rights to the child(ren)
that come from this donation, and the recipient knowing this.
A request to contact the parents who gave up the child must come
personally from the child, and go through the appropriate channels.
When adopted, the child may request to contact both or either parent,
but no information may be given out by anyone of a parent who wishes
that they still remain anonymous.  When the child is raised by a
single parent, the child must request that the other parent be
informed of this request, but no information may be given out by
anyone of a parent who wishes that they still remain anonymous.
A parent who has given up all parental rights by adoption or
letting the other parent raise the child, may request that the
child be let to meet them.  The parent may not meet the child if
the child or the sole parent or the adoptive parents of the child
wish for them not to.  If a sole parent decides to give the child
up for adoption, the other parent will be notified and could get
custody of the child, as though it was an adoption."

Any problems with this idea?  For God's sakes, you've got 6 months
to decide on what to do.  There's pro-life options, there's pro-
choice options, there seems to be *fairness*.  Oh, now don't go
talking about fairness to the child.  You and I both know that
we didn't remember what went on between the age of -9m and 0months.

You guys kept asking me for a 'suggestion'.  Well, here's one and
it seems pretty reasonable to me.  Besides, if the government and
courts and the legal system are going to get involved in our lives,
it may as well be from the start and with both parental parties
in mind.

BTW, abortion is obviously legal.

Comments?

-Jennifer
Newsgroups: talk.abortion