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From: d40374w@kaira.hut.fi (Tero Valkonen)
Subject: Re: Why does Presto usually get a bad rap?
Organization: The rational midnight star
	<1992Sep10.211734.865@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu>
	<1992Sep11.010325.10401@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:28:09

In article <1992Sep11.010325.10401@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> fes9s@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Frank Erick Sellin) writes:

   The only annoying thing about Presto (and some of RTB for that matter) is
   that I think Rupert Hine has no clue how to record drums. If you're crank-
   ing it on your box or whatever (and don't have the 85 watts of earth-shaking
   power that your friends may have), the drum tracks come off way flat and
   thin, unless you really screw with the graphic EQ or bass/treble control.

Ahh, yes. I remember what happened when RTB came out. I was SO anxious and
enthusiastic when I put the CD into my player and then...Dreamline. It
sounded good enough for the first 20 seconds or so, but when Neil first
hit a tom, I was angry. I was MAD! I mean, Neil's drums have ALWAYS sounded
excellent and now he seems to be playing some kind of carbage cans that
serve as absolutely no substitute for DRUMS. The drum sound of RTB still
irritates me greatly. And the synth sound also, for that matter, especially
in WMT?
Presto and RTB both sound very thin in my opinion, very dead, very cold. Not
nice. 

Btw everybody, check out UK. Both of their albums (titles: UK and Danger
Money) are excellent. Personnel: (UK) Allan Holdsworth, John Wetton,
Eddie Jobson, Bill Bruford; (Danger Money) John Wetton, Eddie Jobson,
Terry Bozzio. 
UK played state-of-the-art prog that everyone should be familiar with. 


--
Tero Valkonen
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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: cs50665@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Enter Scogman)
Subject: Re: Rush's Greatest Moment & Live/Recorded Moments
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:35:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.232936.8101@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> fes9s@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Frank Erick Sellin) writes:

>    Speaking of which, has anybody heard, let alone have a copy of, a full
>length 2112 (and I mean including "Discovery" and "Oracle:The Dream") live?

According to _Visions_ Oracle:The Dream has never been performed live.
I'm not sure how accurate the claim is, but that's what it says.....

Chris
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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: mmarx@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Marx)
Subject: Re: Rush Convention..
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Distribution: alt.music.rush
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:43:47 GMT

In article <MD2946.92Sep8200405@thor.albany.edu> md2946@csc.albany.edu (Alex Lifeson) writes:
>
>On another note I was discussing last night the merits of 2112 live with a
>fellow rush fan.  I think it is much better live not only because of Alex's
>guitar work, but also the passion Geddy conveys...

I've always thought that the ATWAS version of "2112" makes the album
version pale in comparison. That's probably why I don't listen to the
album anymore...except maybe for "Lessons". 

ORQ: "Oooooh I need some love
      ooh yeah, I need some, LOVE
      oooooh I need some love
      the feeling from Beelzebub..."


-- 
Matt Marx     mmarx@csli.stanford.edu           
No News (is bad news)
No mail for mmarx (is worse)

Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ethan Evan Prater)
Subject: Re: Rush's Greatest Moment & Live/Recorded Moments
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 17:00:37 EDT

In article <1992Sep4.175323.12779@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>
slevine@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Steffan Levine) writes:
 
>I have a bootleg of the Hemispheres tour with some great live songs-
>	All of Hemispheres, Spirit of Radio and Natural Science
>        which they presented to the crowd even before PW was released,
>	Closer to the Heart, etc.  There is a store in the Village in
>	NYC which specializes in all sorts of bootlegs.
 
Where exactly?
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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: Rush's Greatest Moment & Live/Recorded Moments
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 03:13:00 GMT

>Talk about bootlegs, has anyone checked out one called "Temples of the Syrinx",
>St. Louis, 1980?  Actually I'm not even sure it's a bootleg. It may have been 
>at one point, but the sound quality is so darn good, and there's a copyright of
>"Lee Music". Explain that one, eh? My own pet theory is that Geddy or his 
>lawyer found the bootleg producer and threatened a lawsuit if he didn't hand it
>all over.
The Only Live version of Natural Science, plus the fastest La Villa I've ever heard (maybe
>someone played around with the tape mixer speeds by the time it got to me).  
>    Speaking of which, has anybody heard, let alone have a copy of, a full
>length 2112 (and I mean including "Discovery" and "Oracle:The Dream") live?
>
>Frank Sellin, fes9s@virginia.edu
>University of Virginia

	This is one of the best bootlegs I have seen, (heard?)  A friend has
it on VINYL of all formats!  The Natural Science is wonderful, and if I'm not
mistaken, the 2112 _does_ have Discovery on it.  I think I heard from a 
reliable source, though, that the boys have never played "Oracle:  The Dream,"
live...  But don't quote me on that...

cka52397@uxaso.uiuc.edu
cs101c22@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu

"Because he was human,
	Because he had goodness,
Because he was moral
	They called him insane."  --Neil Peart 1977
From: schin@acs.bu.edu (neil schier)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: convention
Date: 12 Sep 92 15:53:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA


The M.O. (esp the selling shares idea) is great~
Now how do we procede from here?

Regards
From: jhughes@gauss.WPI.EDU (Jason C. Hughes)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Primus and Rush/NMS Convention
Date: 13 Sep 1992 17:47:50 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: gauss.wpi.edu

In article <cubsfan.716357584@camelot> cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman) writes:
>In <goo.716356009@cwis> goo@cwis.unomaha.edu (Kent Radek) writes:
>	While everyone is entitled to their own musical tastes, stupid comments
>like the one above are a total waste of bandwidth. It is people like that who
>give many Rush fans a bad name on the Net. Kent, if you don't like Primus, why
>don't you actually say why - - was it the type of music, the lyrics, the 
>musicianship of one of the members, or what? 
>
>	Anyway, to Primus...I love them...they list Rush as one of their biggest
>influences...they even opened up one of their songs (John the Fisherman) with
>a bit of YYZ! Like Rush, Primus has an awesome bassist (Les Claypool), songs
>with meaningful lyrics (check out Sgt. Baker, American Life, or John the
>Fisherman). Primus's style of music takes some getting used to (It took me
>several listens before I started liking them), but once you do, you
>will not be sorry.
>
>Non-Rush note/wish: I am seeing U2 in KC, Missouri next month...if Primus
>opened for them, it would be the concert to end all concerts. I wish I could
>have seen when Primus opened for Rush on the west coast portion of the
>RTB tour!
>
>cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu
>
>"One likes to believe in the freedom of baseball" - Geddy Lee


I was lucky enough to get to see the Texas leg of the Rush RTB tour, where
Primus opened for them.  At that time, I had never heard Primus' work and was
very skeptical, but I fell absolutely in love with a version of Kashmere (sp)
that Les Claypool played on an electrified cello with a bow... it was so 
incredible... I'm not a huge fan, but I appreciate the opportunity to see them.

Even if you only like bass or only like drums and don't necessarily like the
music, it's worth it just to see what kinds of wild things Primus does on
stage.

The Panther!
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[)---->   It's time to feed the dragon, but our lives' are on the plate."
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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: irsman@iastate.edu (Ian Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Why does Presto usually get a bad rap?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:23:29 GMT

From my own experience, Presto is a very 'dark' Rush album.  The monochromatic
cover art is the first tip off.  The songs themselves, with the exception of
"Presto", "Superconductor", and "Red Tide" are fairly awash in dark sounding
chords and such.  Presto is a great album to listen to if you are depressed
or wish to become such.  Presto is certainly energetic, but in a darker
manner then HYF and RTB.  





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 "I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose free will" - Neil Peart
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ethan Evan Prater)
Subject: NMS Convention
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 23:00:35 EDT

Now we're calling this a NMS convention (and it looks like Toronto for sure),
but I don't recall seeing much in TNMS about it--everything is on
alt.music.rush. Many people don't have access to newsgroups but get TNMS, so
they're missing out on a lot of discussion. Is it possible to sway this more
to TNMS?
 
And for what it's worth, I offer my services to help organize, plan, write to
potential speakers, whatever. I'm just a lowly undergrad, but I'll help with
anything that needs to be done, maybe some kind of coordination in the NYC
area (I'm in New Haven, CT).
 
But I do think more of this discussion should get into TNMS. Yes, no?
 
--Ethan
 
    "The sign of Eth is rising in the air..."
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: d40374w@kaira.hut.fi (Tero Valkonen)
Subject: Re: Why does Presto usually get a bad rap?
Organization: The rational midnight star
	<D40374W.92Sep12222809@kaira.hut.fi> <1992Sep12.160525.1@vax1.umkc.edu>
Date: 13 Sep 92 22:13:59

In article <1992Sep12.160525.1@vax1.umkc.edu> tbeaudoin@vax1.umkc.edu writes:

   > Btw everybody, check out UK. Both of their albums (titles: UK and Danger
   > Money) are excellent. Personnel: (UK) Allan Holdsworth, John Wetton,

	   Can you list the years of those albums? Thanks!
   Sounds like something worth checking out, especially with Bruford and
   Holdsworth...

UK definitely are worth checking out! UK: 1978. Danger Money: 1979. 

--
Tero Valkonen
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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: ziggy@r-node.gts.org (Adrian Buss  Sys-Op)
Subject: Re: The First Annual RUSH (or NMS?) Convention
Organization: Public Access UNIX Information System
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 21:29:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.121626.9384@bmers145.bnr.ca> rjwyatt@bnr.ca (Richard Wyatt) writes:
>
>> I hate to persist....but New York is the only place that not only everyone
>> knows, but it would be alot of fun too!  As I stated in previous post,
>> Canadians would find this location an excellent choice since they would only
>> have to take a 4 hour bus ride.  Alot of Rush fans already live near by
>> (Boston, Jersey, Penn, etc)
>> the rest can simply fly...C'mon is very affordable to fly to New York, and we
>> could probably stay at other Rush fans houses....
>>
>> albertr
>
>A 4 Hour Bus Ride from CANADA to NY.  That's some bus!  A 4 Hour Bus Ride from
>Montreal perhaps (not sure on exact time).
>
>I still have to cast my vote for Toronto.  Home of the boyz.
>
>

Lets not all be silly now ....:) the only place on the planet that a
rush convention could be held is in TORONTO.   Suggesting it be 
in new york is like saying have an elvis convention in Montreal.

ziggy

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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: Primus and Rush/NMS Convention
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:43:26 GMT

In article <goo.716426196@cwis> goo@cwis.unomaha.edu (Kent Radek) writes:
>cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman) writes:
>
>>	While everyone is entitled to their own musical tastes, stupid comments
>>like the one above are a total waste of bandwidth. It is people like that who
>>give many Rush fans a bad name on the Net. Kent, if you don't like Primus, why
>>don't you actually say why - - was it the type of music, the lyrics, the 
>>musicianship of one of the members, or what? 
>
>Up yours!  :-)
>
>I was trying to /avoid/ detailing why I don't like them.  I just wanted to
>finally express an opinion on the subject, since I had never heard them.
>The main point of my message was to suggest a possible activity for the
>convention, which makes your response to an off-hand remark in my post the
>/real/ "total waste of bandwidth."
>
>But, since you seem to want to hear me put Primus down so badly, I guess I
>absolutely MUST list my reasons for disliking them...
>	1. I don't like "non-music," which is their "type of music."
>	2. I can't comment on the lyrics, because I couldn't understand
>	   any of them.  Typical of live shows, though...
>	3. None of them showed any talent.  A decent musician could have
>	   played any of the parts of their songs with 2 fingers.
>	4. Songs were boring and repetitive.
>	5. Movement on stage was boring and repetitive.
>	6. I was waiting to see U2!
>
>No need to reply, as you obviously don't agree with any of those points...
>
>goo
>

	Wow, this guy sure has his facts straight.  The second comment is the 
only valid point up there.  Here are some replies:

	1. Non-music:  What about that one, and he can only play one, riff
	the Edge (of what?) plays in ever single U2 song ever made?  

	2. Opening acts always sound terrible, The Pixies opened for U2 and
	sounded awful, even though they are a great band.  Living Colour 
	sounded awful opening for The Stones...

	3. They're bassist won bassist of the year from Bass Player Magazine,
	the same award Geddy won last year.

	4. You said you couldn't hear it too well, right?

	5.  Have you ever seen Rush dance around much on stage, they're not
	C + C Music Factory.

	6.  The U2 concert is cancelled here, due to the fact that they only
	sold 22,000 seats, so I'm waiting too.

	cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: pickwick@sw.stratus.com (Michael Pickwick)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush's Greatest Moment & Live/Recorded Moments
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:06:56 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Sep4.175323.12779@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, slevine@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Steffan Levine) writes:
> In article <1992Sep02.183520.296@bnr.ca> albertr@crchh780.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Albert Reva) writes:
> >People keep mentioning ESL, ATWAS, and ASOH; But how about their best live material that has never been "officially" release like the many bootlegs.  I have a few shows that would blow away anything that has been officially release..
> >
> >C'mon doesn't anyone out there collect Rush stuff???
> >
> 
> I have a bootleg of the Hemispheres tour with some great live songs-
> 	All of Hemispheres, Spirit of Radio and Natural Science 
>         which they presented to the crowd even before PW was released,
> 	Closer to the Heart, etc.  There is a store in the Village in
> 	NYC which specializes in all sorts of bootlegs.

Where exactly is this store and is it possible to order stuff from them through
the mail?  I've been looking for a live version of Natural Science for a while
but there's not much in the way of bootleg dealers around here other than on the
streetcorners.

Tanx in advance.
mike
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: jamesb@nevada.edu (James Bender)
Subject: Re: The First Annual RUSH (or NMS?) Convention.
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:08:12 GMT

In article <cef3cPi00WBN05r4Yb@andrew.cmu.edu> John Michael Santore <jsbh+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>	But students DO know how to pile into a car and road-trip it!
>>That's perhaps why a central location might be ideal.  Chicago??
>Hey any time this year anywhere from Cleveland, Pittsburgh (this would
>be nice), Toronto (could be cool....picnic at Lakeside park!), Philly,
>NY, or NJ would be cool for me... maybe even other places if I get a
>ride easily.

	IMHO. the first one should be held in Toronto. If there is a second
or third one, we can hold it in different cities. I live in Las Vegas,
but I wouldn't mind driving to Toronto(I say, only having a _very_ general
idea where the city is. :)

>I think this would be a great idea, but where would we hold it? Hotel?
>Campgrounds?  And what would go on?  Boot trading?  Rush tribute bands? 
>Showing of Rush bootleg videos (would we get sued?) Guest Speaker
>(!!!!)?  Rush contests?  (Ged look alike....best By-Tor portrayal) 
>T-Shirts? What about an entrance fee to cover all this shit?  Do we need
>permission from Anthem?  (if not what trouble could we get in?)  How
>long would it last? (long weekend?)

	The only thing I would request is that it's not during ski season. :)

*******************************************************************************
* From: James B     * "Life is a diamond you turn into dust."                 *
* jamesb@nevada.edu *                                       -- N. Peart       *
*******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: The First Annual RUSH (or NMS?) Convention.
From: tbeaudoin@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 20:37:52 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City


	So, alt.music.rush'ers, when is our first Rush Convention
going to be .. and WHERE?  (Toronto?)

	How about next summer?  

	I will post this query to the NMS, too.

Thomas Beaudoin

TBEAUDOIN@VAX1.UMKC.EDU

	ORQ:"Hand over fist, hot dog inside the bun, toss to me the ketchup
		and we'll have some picnic fun."
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Luck
From: tbeaudoin@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 17:20:30 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

>Has anyone else seen this disc, has anyone Heard it?
> if so is it worth the 13 bucks or should I ignore it??  Drop me a line
> and let me know if you do..........
> 
>                                        Patrick Ellis
> 
> 
> Luck is defined as when preperation meets opportunity.....
> 
>                                Neil Peart


	I know that Neil "said" this in a recent NMS interview, but i 
think he is actually quoting someone else.  Does anyone know who originally
said that?

Thomas Beaudoin

Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman)
Subject: Re: Primus and Rush/NMS Convention
Organization: Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Date: 13 Sep 92 04:13:04 GMT

In <goo.716356009@cwis> goo@cwis.unomaha.edu (Kent Radek) writes:

>Although my subject line may imply that I want Primus to play at the suggested
>convention, believe me, I don't.

>I just got back from the U2 concert in Ames, Iowa, and believe it or not, one
>of their opening bands was Primus.

>Primus must be one of the worst bands in existance.  They bite.  (I'm avoiding
>saying "Primus Sucks" only because I don't want to be misunderstood to mean
>that I /like/ them or anything rediculous like that.)

	While everyone is entitled to their own musical tastes, stupid comments
like the one above are a total waste of bandwidth. It is people like that who
give many Rush fans a bad name on the Net. Kent, if you don't like Primus, why
don't you actually say why - - was it the type of music, the lyrics, the 
musicianship of one of the members, or what? 

	Anyway, to Primus...I love them...they list Rush as one of their biggest
influences...they even opened up one of their songs (John the Fisherman) with
a bit of YYZ! Like Rush, Primus has an awesome bassist (Les Claypool), songs
with meaningful lyrics (check out Sgt. Baker, American Life, or John the
Fisherman). Primus's style of music takes some getting used to (It took me
several listens before I started liking them), but once you do, you
will not be sorry.

Non-Rush note/wish: I am seeing U2 in KC, Missouri next month...if Primus
opened for them, it would be the concert to end all concerts. I wish I could
have seen when Primus opened for Rush on the west coast portion of the
RTB tour!

>On the latter half of my subject line, one of the "pilgrimages" during the
>convention should be to Toronto's Hard Rock Cafe, where all of us (or you if
>I don't make it) can very vocally complain about the lack of Rush paraphenalia
>in the joint.

>goo

--
cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu

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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: md2946@csc.albany.edu (Alex Lifeson)
Subject: Dream theatre..
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Distribution: alt.music.rush
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:12:10 GMT
X-Posted-From: thor.albany.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

I think that I have I heard of dream thetre before, but cannot remember who is
in the band...Can anyone name all the members for me?


On a different subject I was listening to the studio version of a passage to
bangkok the other day and maybe i imagined this, but i swear during one break
in the rythymn it sounds like somebody is taking a drag....I dont think i am 
crazy because I pointed out the part to someone else and they agreed.
LIsten close and tell me what you think


Mike
--
Michael Director                         "All the world's indeed a stage and
588 Madison Ave.                          we are merely players, performers 
Albany, N.Y 12208                         and portrayers, each another's 
                                          audience outside the gilded cage.."
                                                  --Neil Peart
                                            
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: sgi50692@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (SHREDDER)
Subject: Re: NMS Convention
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:00:44 GMT

    

       Toronto it is.  Cool.  Now I just thought I'd make a suggestion
       as to when it should be.... how about on the 4th of July 
       weekend?  That's a good 3-day weekend in the middle of summer.


       Comments?

       Sridhar
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Luck
From: dan@rat.csc.calpoly.edu (Dan Delany)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 05:26:41 GMT
Organization: Shinola Industries: We know the difference.

According to my calculations, tbeaudoin@vax1.umkc.edu typed...
> > Luck is defined as when preperation meets opportunity.....
> > 
> >                                Neil Peart
> 
> 
> 	I know that Neil "said" this in a recent NMS interview, but i 
> think he is actually quoting someone else.  Does anyone know who originally
> said that?

The first _Modern Drummer_ contest to win one of Neil's drumsets was an
essay contest - that quote was in one of the essays.

-- 
"I sing the Body Electric; The armies of those I love engirth me, and I
engirth them; They will not let me off till I go with them, respond to
them, and discorrupt them, and charge them full with the charge of the Soul."
 -- Walt Whitman                     dan@rat.csc.calpoly.edu (Dan Delany)