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From: rhill@netlink.cts.com (Ron Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: STuff
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:14:32 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


 
        Dick, if you could post that info on Brazil, I'd really appreciate 
it.  I haven't felt this frustated about "multiple versions" since I found 
out that The Beatle's albums had fewer songs on the American albums!  :-) 


        In _Be_Kind_To_My_Mistakes_, Kate sings: 


It is this that brings us together. 


        Does anyone have any ideas what "it" is?  Is she refering to the 
fact that they both make mistakes, or that they don't know each other, or 
what?  Like many Kate songs, I have trouble relating the "chorus" to the 
rest of the songs. 






        On Babooshka and grandmothers, Kate has this to say: 


*       "Babooshka", which was a surprisingly big hit after quite a slow 
start, it did take a little bit of time didn't?
        Yes, it did.  It was climbing up there quite slowly at the front, 
yes. 
        And the story behind "Babooshka" very quickly because everyone was 
saying it's Russian for grandmother, yes? 
        Yes, well apparently it is grandmother, it's also a headdress that 
people wear.  But when I wrote the song it was just a name that literally 
came into my mind, I've presumed I've got it from a fairy story I'd read 
when I was a child.  And after having written the song a series of 
incredible coincidences happened where I'd turned on the television and 
there was Donald Swan singing about Babooshka.  So I thought, "well, there's 
got to be someone who's actually called Babooshka."  So I was looking 
through Radio Times and there, another coincidence, there was an opera 
called Babooshka.  Apparently she was the lady that the three kings went to 
see because the star stopped over her house and they thought "Jesus is in 
there."  So they went in and he wasn't.  And they wouldn't let her come with 
them to find the baby and she spent the rest of her life looking for him and 
she never found him.  And also a friend of mine had a cat called Babooshka.  
[He laughs]  So these really extraordinary things that kept coming up when 
in fact it was just a name that came into my head at the time purely because 
it fitted.   (1980, Never For Ever Debut)
 


        I always like it somehow when she says "fitted".  :-) 
 
Ron Hill


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From: graham@ug.cs.dal.ca (Michael Graham)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Book of Dreams?
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:17:38 GMT
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
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How hard is this book to find?
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Michael Graham                   |    My father lives in Arabia
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From: farrellj@aqua.pc.ocunix.on.ca (Farrel McGovern)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Tori Amos CD-EP
Date: 9 Apr 92 06:47:17 GMT
Organization: The Aquarium, Ottawa, Ontario
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


Hi!
 
  I was down at a local alternative record store, and the manager, who is a 
friend of mine recommended the Tori Amos album, since we are both KB fen. 
So, not having enough to buy the album, I got the "Winter" CD-EP...this has 
said song, as well as some wild covers...The Stones "Angie"...the sexual 
over tones in this almost makes one wonder about Tori's gender preferences  
:-). But you gotta love that cover of "Smells Like Teen Spirit"!  Same 
speed, different tempo. The final cover, Led Zep's "Thank You", the first t 
time I listened to this...I had tears in my eyes when it was finished. Wow!
 
  On the Kate side of things...just wanted to mention that I really liked 
the instrumental version of "Candle in the Wind"...but then again, I also 
like Tangerine Dream.
 
   On other things....
 
   I first saw Sarah McLachlan about 4 years ago on Canada Day. I went up to 
Moslon Park in Barre Ontario to see one of these mega summer concerts...and 
the first act was Sarah...this short woman walked out with a Martin 
12-string, and with the band started singing...and it was totally amazing! I 
didn't know who she was before I went, but I was sure who it was by the end 
of her set! She even covered two Peter Gabriel Tunes...Solsbury Hill, and I 
know What I Like...." by Genesis. Every time I have seen her in concert, and 
that makes 3 times, she has covered a interesting tune...Georgia,  the 
second time, and a song by Talk Talk  the last time I saw her a few months 
back. She is a zillion times better in concert that on disc. She recently 
was on the JUNO Awards (Canada's equiv. of the Grammies), where she 
performed, and recieved a JUNO for Best Video for (I think) "Into the Fire", 
but don't quote me on that :-). I did get her performance on video, though.
 
  The other Celtic Goddess who performed at the awards was Loreena 
mcKennitt, who did a shortened (But still the longest performance of the 
show) version of "The Lady Of Shalott". It was prefaced by a cello solo by 
Ophra Haze, who has been working on popularizing modernized clasical music 
on classical instruments...then the sole spot on Ophra turned off, and the 
partition rose revealing Loreena's band, and the spot when on Loreena who as 
seated about a dozen feet to the right of Ophra...and she opened her mouth 
and that increadable voice came out. Further proof that if the Angels have  
angelic voices, they are almost certainly Celts....if Loreena, Sarah, Enya 
and Kate are any indication!
 
   Well, I gotta go...hope this makes it in!
 
Blessed Be,
     Farrell
From: ST701790@brownvm.brown.edu (Zimri Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Re: Carnivals, Weill, Berlin
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:58:15 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


Hmm. Another possible (but extremely vague) connection to Kurt Weill
(in re: "carnival" music) is in the Saxophone Song:


"You'll find me in a Berlin bar. . ."


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From: greg@cmatter.physics.indiana.edu (greg)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Amos and Andy
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:09:31 GMT
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM




I'm totally bummed - a local store, Tracks, had the new XTC release
date as today, but it isn't there!  Does anyone know the release date
(Drukman? - aren't you the local Andy-fan?)?


But I did pick up the Tori Amos, since she's all the rage here on
Gaffa.  I'm not sure what to make of it.  There are tunes on it where
she seems to be blatantly imitating KaTe or Siberry.  Sometimes she
sounds like Carly Simon or Tracey Chapman.  Fortunately, it's not all
emulation - and it is catchy stuff.  I guess I like it, but it seems to
be a bit too obvious what her influences are for my tastes.


Yes.  She sure beats Def Lepper.  This much is certain.


                                                           "Every now
                                                            and then
Greg Clark :: greg@cmatter.physics.indiana.edu              things  
                                                            become clear."
                                                            -Jane
From: scasterg@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stuart M Castergine)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: A PG-13 Kate???
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:21:27 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University
Apparently-To: rec-music-gaffa@cis.ohio-state.edu
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


Ever have one of those irrelevant little thoughts that just won't
leave you alone....




A while ago, someone posted a Tori Amos review that described her as a
"PG-13 Kate Bush."


What the heck does that mean? If she's PG-13, what is Kate?
G, PG? (I let my kids listen to her)
R? (I don't think of her as pulling any punches)
X? (Naw)


Isn't this stupid? but like I said it keeps running through my head. I
hate the media!


-- 
scasterg@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu -- Stuart M. Castergine


Wake the Witch!
From: @EDDIE.MIT.EDU:news@cs.vu.nl
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Re: Kate Covers
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:25:43 GMT
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vjmurphy%carina.unm.edu@lynx.unm.edu (Phred T. Platypus) writes:
:In article <65457@apple.Apple.COM> mortal@ucscb.ucsc.EDU (71079000) writes:
:>Are there covers of Kate Bush songs released commercially.
:   Pat Benatar covers/massacres Wuthering Heights on her album
: Crimes of Passion.  Natalie (I Sold Out My Dad For A Buck) Cole
: sang/massacred A Man With a Child in His Eyes on the Arsenio Hall
: show once.  And, of course, Sinead O'Connor performed/massacred
: Don't Give Up with Peter Gabriel in the AI special on MTV.


There is also the cover of 'Running Up that Hill' on the album 'Naked'
by Blue Pearl. I've heard snippets of it, and it is not as much a
massacre as it could have been. It is also pretty boring.


It was wierd to hear the song that has been one of my favourites for
many years not do anything for me.


It is proof that "Kateness" is much more than just the song, it is the
voice that has to balance so many emotions coupled with the totally
out-of-the-ordinary instrumental arrangement.
							FJ!!
From: MTARR@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Desperately seeking tour dates
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:47:05 GMT
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


Hi!


I've heard mentions of Sugarcubes and 10,000 Maniacs shows in my general
area.  If anyone has any information whatsoever on more tour dates for these
bands, don't be shy- please spill!!!  I'll even accept personal e-mail. 
I'd hate to run into people next week and hear, "Oh, I saw 10,000 Maniacs
play ten minutes from here last night, why weren't you there?"  Save me from
this trauma. :)


Thanks...
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From: cdorfner@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Clemens Dorfner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Re: Sarah McLachlan 2nd cd already available?
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:48:46 GMT
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen, Germany
Apparently-To: rec-music-gaffa@uunet.uu.net
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM




In article <65315@apple.Apple.COM> @EDDIE.MIT.EDU,@vm1.gatech.edu:GONTERNN@awiwuw11.wu-wien.ac.at writes:
>The subject says it all.  Is her 2nd cd available by now or is it
>held back still, if so, does anyone have a clue why?


Here in Germany, I got mine about a month ago.


  Clemens


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From: tlb@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us (Tracy Barber)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Re: Tori Amos concert
Date: 11 Apr 92 14:51:21 GMT
Organization: The Big Sky BBS (+1 614 864 1198)
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


KR>There is going to be a Tori Amos concert on Monday April 27th
KR>at the Iron Horse coffeehouse in Northampton.  The concert
KR>starts at 7PM, and tickets are only $6.  Are any love-hounds
KR>interested in joining me?  The Iron Horse is a great place
KR>for a concert, and I'm definitely looking forward to this one!


KR>Bob


KR>P.S. Northampton is near the University of Massachusetts, and
KR>about 2 hours west of Boston.


How far away from Albany, NY, is that?  Not too sure of the "terrain"
out there... tlb
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From: mortal@ucscb.ucsc.EDU (71079000)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Re: A PG-13 Kate???
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:48:54 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz; Open Access Computing
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Re: Kate's rating, and Armorican rating terms in general:


G: General Audiences-suitable for children, cats, old ladies who knit
   doilies, &c., &c.


  "This cloud, this cloud--
                     Says 'Noah,
                     C'mon and build me an Ark.'"


PG: Parental Guidance Suggested-contains some small amount of violence,
    swearing, "sexual situations," a quick look at someone's butt, or
    something like that.


   "This kicking here inside
    Makes me leave you behind.
    No more under the quilt
    To keep you warm."


PG-13: Basically the above, but more so: Bullets instead of fists,
       "fuck" instead of "hell," sex instead of situations, breasts 
       instead of butts, &c.


   "With a kiss
    I'd pass the key
    And feel your tongue
    Teasing and receiving."


R: This is where the sex and/or violence gets big time. Often the
   sex and/or violence is the entire point of the film.


                    "After the party
                     You took me back to your parlour.
                     A little nervous laughter
                     Locking the door.
                     My stockings fall
                     Onto the floor.
                     Desperate for more."


X: Originally meant for films that were even more graphic and explicit
   than R, X soon became synonymous with "Adult Movies," also known
   as porno flicks.


                    "My Pussy Queen
                     Knows all my secrets."


   (No, just kidding. Personally, I consider Kate Bush's music to
    be of a high enough quality that anything past "R" would be
    NC-17. See below.)


NC-17: Recently created so that movies could be rated as adult
       without the stigma of being "X" movies. Not often used, but
       useful when needed.


                    "In the warm room
                     You'll fall into her like a pillow.
                     Her thighs are soft as marshmallows.
                     Say hello
                     To the soft musk of her hollows."


Hope this clears things up!
  
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From: lionhart@netlink.cts.com (Jackie Zucconi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Y Can't....
Date: 6 Apr 92 06:09:54 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


 AH! So it's the name of the
of the band...hmm, makes sense now.....back to the catalogues for buying 
info.....
                        --- Lionheart


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From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Thanks Melissa (Tori dates) & YKTR
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:43:59 GMT
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


Thanks for the Tori tour dates. Chris and I will definitely go to the
Chicago show. I really am looking forward to it. The venue is a
good one, I just mentioned it in my Sarah post. Schubas is where
Chris saw Sarah McLachlan the first time, and we've seen lots of
excellent acts there. It's a very small place though and I imagine
that it will be a madhouse to get in. We'll certainly get there
early. I really wouldn't be suprised if the venue were changed
at the last minute. I'm certain she could sell out a larger venue.
I'd like to see her play the Park West, where Sarah played. I bet
the tour was set up before the buzz started. We'll have to check
and see if tickets are being sold in advance (they aren't always
for Schuba's shows) so thanks for the advance tip.


Thanks to Angelos and Albert for responses to my _Y Kan't Tori Read_
inquiry. I've found the article that Angelos referred to and she
definitely was the lead singer. 


Vickie
From: john@tessi.com (John Zimmer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Re: "Wow" on Andy Warhol documentary
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:46:39 GMT
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


>Did anybody else see the documentary on Andy Warhol last night on PBS?
>The used "Wow" as background music for one segment.  The whole song was
>played!  It was in the first ten minutes.
>


Yeah, I saw it too.  It was part of the "American Masters" series on PBS.


>Ed
>ed@wente.llnl.gov
>
>P.S. Isaac Asimov is dead and I miss him greatly.


So do I.




_____________________________________________________________
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        Irgendwo in der Tiefe gibt es ein Licht!
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From: vjmurphy%carina.unm.edu@lynx.unm.edu (Phred T. Platypus)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Backmasking in Leave it Open
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:04:21 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Apparently-To: rec-music-gaffa@ftp.uu.net
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


   Could someone e-mail me the text of the backmasked message
 from Kate's Leave it Open from the Dreaming album?  It's confusing
 me.




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From: bjhs@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Ben Siemerink)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: After all these months...What is her music like?
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:59:04 GMT
Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9.hplb.1]
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


Hi Folks!




Since TA geTs more ATTenTion ThAn KT in This  newsgroup, I wonder whAT
her music is like.  I hAve  Tellie nor  rAdio, so I'm noT Able To pick
up new sounds.


I'm AfrAid ThAT TA is jusT A womAn  singing And plAying The piAno like
KT on her firsT Two  Albums  (more or less).  PersonAlly  I don'T like
KT's firsT Two Albums, so if TA is like ThAT, I don'T boTher  buying A
CD of her.  Could Anyone pleAse clArify This?  ThAnks A loT!




Ben, 7 April 1992.


PS: I hope KT will releAse her new Album soon And sTArT  Touring, Then
    people mighT TAlk AbouT KT AgAin on This newsgroup.
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From: nbc@inf.rl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Y Kant Tori Read
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:13:39 GMT
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>From Q (Feb. 92)


***
That same traumatic time [ ref. sexual guilt and bladder infections! - nbc]
she released her first album, as singer/writer with her snappily monikered
band, Why Can't Tori Read? [sic] ("Don't even ask me; it's horrible"). The
sleeve, she recalls, "was a good dartboard for pinning the tail on at a
bachelor party. There was a part of me that really wanted to be in snake
pants - although they were plastic - and walk around feeling like a bad girl.
But now my insides are strong and I don't need my hair sprayed out 10 inches
and my bra showing through."


***
Definitely the same person - though I doubt whether she will want to see
the album re-released!
Neil
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From: grr@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Help on Mailing lists (creating ML for enya)
Date: 11 Apr 92 14:34:30 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM




In article <65072@apple.Apple.COM> ml@vcp1.vcp.monash.edu.au writes:
> 
> I'm seriously considering setting up mailing list for information and articles,
> ect. about enya.  Articles and discussion on rec.music.newage are getting a
> little on the mundane side with regard to enya - always the same questions
> being asked.  Hopefully a mailing list would lessen the mundane messages and
> quell passions and flames and the same time. (There is a proposal to create a
> rec.music.enya newsgroup but somehow I don't think it will succeed as there 
> might not be enough users dedicated to carry the newsgroup on.  But I might be
> wrong.  It has not yet gone to a vote.)


Mailing lists are an incredible pain in the butt (for the list maintainer).
Not only do you have hassles with mail bouncing, you always get requests to
join when you don't have time/energy to deal with them, and you will still
be getting them long after the list is dead.


What you want to do is create alt.music.enya or alt.fan.enya - alternate
groups are usually created after only a little discussion and without the
voting stuff.  If it's still active n-months from now, and you have ~20
different people posting per month, you will probably have enough readers
for a vote to pass.  If not, it was just a momentary excitement and didn't
really justify it's own group vs. the general new age category.


See alt.config and related groups for details.  I should be admitted that
not everyone can get the alt groups, but still it gives the most bang for
the buck, and you can set up an e-mai gateway if you wish.


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From: @EDDIE.MIT.EDU:JASONP@s35.prime.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Kate on Karaoke!
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:17:16 GMT
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


I was amused to find out recently that two of Kate's songs
are on a standard distribution disk used in many Laser Karoake
widgets which you see popping up in bars everywhere....


The two songs are: _Wuthering Heights_, and _Babooshka_.


Babooshka, I can kind of understand, straightforward singing,
or as straightfoward as Kate gets, and a reasonable range....


However, Wuthering Heights baffled me. I honestly can't
see anybody who doesn't have Kate's tonal qualities and control
could do it reasonably, by any stretch of the imagination. And,
listening in for a while that night, and even getting up to do
one myself, I can say first-hand that the significantly greater
percentage of people singing at those have no tone, and can
rarely carry a tune in a bucket...


Anyways...Just for your information and amusement.


Jason R. Pascucci
jasonp@primerd.prime.com
Love-Hound-at-Large
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