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From: gayle@disk.uucp (Gayle)
Subject: Re: PLEASE, PLEASE READ! Please help!
Organization: Digital Information Systems of KY
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:11:08 GMT

gayle@disk.uucp (Gayle) writes:

Hi! Major boo boo - my son is 10 months, not 19. Sorry for all the type-o's,
been a bad day!!
Thanks,
Gayle


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From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: You know you're a parent when...
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:25:07 GMT
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

.... your child tries something she doesn't like, spits it in your hand, and
having no place to throw it, you eat it yourself.

In the words of "Plucky Duck" --- Eeeewwwwww.


-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Baby Shower/Cute-funny stories
Date: 13 Aug 92 05:03:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

jackie8@dasher.uucp (25853-brady) writes:

>Hi. I am going to a baby shower later this month
>and I was trying to think of something different
>to give in addition to the basket full of baby
>things that I normally give.  I was thinking of

I gave a shower for two friends having their second babies.  One of
our friends gave them really cute cards that she made on a computer.
They were multiple choice questions like, What do you do if kid #2
drops his pacifier:  a) boil it,  b)  Get a new one,  c)  wipe it off
on your pants and stick it back in.  The cards were personalised to
the moms and were really funny.

		--  maggie
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From: pjohnso@triton.unm.edu (Paddy Johnson CIRT)
Subject: Oldest Starts High School (was Re: Youngest Going To Kindergarten
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 21:16:57 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico

I was reading the thread about a youngest starting kindergarten today, and
trying to remember back (it wasn't so very long ago) what it was like when
my two started kindergarten.  Now, my oldest starts high school in 4 days.
She is the same confident, eager kid going off to conquer the world that I
sent off to kindergarten 9 years ago.  Some how, I don't remember being this
scared though.  When I took her to register she asked me to wait outside
because in high school you do things like this on your own, pretty much 
the same as when in nursery school after the first day, she told me to
walk behind her instead of holding her hand because big kids can walk in
by themselves.  It has gone so quickly, and I really sense how soon she 
will be leaving to really take on the world on her own.  Those high school
kids I saw while waiting for her look way to old and grown up for her to
be associating with.  The thought occurs to me that surely we should wait
a couple of years for this, but then she is back with a big grin and a
class schedule.  "I got all the classes I wanted Mom" and off she goes to
find her locker.  Gosh this is scary...

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From: kapa@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (k.a.perkins)
Subject: Re: Hepatitis vaccine
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:09:03 GMT
Summary: not for pregnant women!

In article <1992Aug14.170820.9056@news.media.mit.edu>, stanzi@media.mit.edu (Constance "Stanzi" Royden) writes:
> In article <14086@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:
> >
< stuff about the importance of vaccinations in general and
Hepatitis B in particular >

I basically agree.  But why just vaccinate your kids?  Adults need
this vaccine, too.  I was offered this vaccine free at work because
I am on a first response first aide team that may respond to
emergencies where blood and other bodily fluids are present.
I, however, am putting it off since I am pregnant.  My ob/gyn said he
thought I should wait since my risk seemed minimal.  His bias is against
any drugs during pregnancy, including cold medications.  The
informational presentation about the vaccine  said that the effect on
the unborn was unknown, which seemed like a good reason to not get it
while I'm pregnant.  Fortunately, I haven't had to respond to many
bloody emergencies while I've been on this team.

Kate Perkins
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From: rice@cray.com (Jonathan Rice)
Subject: Re: Second Baby Thoughts ...
Summary: I don't see any disagreement
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 12 Aug 92 11:25:32 CDT

In article <16841902F.M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org> M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk) writes:
>  I had LOTS of problems with the arguments presented by Jonathan Rice.

So sorry to have troubled you.  It was kind of you to present your
contrasting opinion, as the diversity of views in this forum is one basis of
its interest.

>  One person made the very good point that with one, she had 2 hours free
>time a day, and with two, she had a half-hour of free time.
>  I think this has to do with the kind of person I am.  I know some other
>mothers who...
>...don't read a lot, don't
>listen much to the news, or the radio, or do any crafts projects.  They
>don't miss that 'free time' as much, I am sure.

Care to see the half-finished cross-stitch I started in 1987? :o)

My point was that the adjustment from six hours a day of "free" time to
two is a good deal more severe (and traumatic, for one is not used to making
such changes) than the adjustment from two hours to one.  Thus giving lie to
the cliche that two is "more than twice as hard" as one.

I hope that no one construed me as claiming that the aggregate work of
raising two children is *less than* the work of raising one -- then we'd all
have 14 kids and live a life of total leisure.  But the payoff does double
(or better) for much less than twice the investment.

-- 
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Cray Research Inc.  | (612) 683 - 5370      | "I'm a man who's rich in
655F Lone Oak Drive | Eagan MN USA 55121    |  daughters." -- G. Brown
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From: kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee)
Subject: Re: God's family values
Reply-To: kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee)
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, CA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:41:27 GMT
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              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

From: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry):

>It doesn't matter what you believe, or what opinions you give.  But to tell 
>me that everyone should follow your beliefs is the crux of this problem.

Freedom to preach is part of religious freedom too.  You don't have to
listen and you can preach your own brand of religion or morality.  How many
times do people have to say that to get it through to you?  This in its pure
form has nothing to do with arrogance.  If you think the person intended to
be arrogant, that's too bad for you because I for one would not want to live
in a society where people are not supposed to speak their minds on their most
fundamental beliefs because it might cause some others to think they're
being arrogant!

>> The other side of the coin: X's beliefs in religious and moral freedom
>> is nothing more than a particular belief either.  It has, therefore, no
>> right, even in his own eyes, to be held up as a "higher" or objective
>> truth with which to criticize the Christian who was expressing his/her
>> views on the absolute supremacy of Christianity.
>
>Wrong again.  The constitution of the United States of America mandates that 
>this country is one of religious and moral freedom.  It is the governing 
>document by which all are supposed to adhere.  Whether it is a "truth" or not 
>is irrelevant.

I believe in moral and religious freedom but not in using it to criticize
people who believe in the supremacy of one system.  After all, everyone
believes in the supremacy of some system, including relativists, athiests,
and people who believe in moral and religious freedom.  Who can be
trusted to decide which belief in supremacy is valid and which are not?
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: Re: Question about Encyclopedias
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:31:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.174817.25882@pony.Ingres.COM> dan@Ingres.COM (Daniel J. Dick) writes:
>My wife and I are expecting our first child, and like a crazy, over concerned
>father, I've already been on the search for the perfect school, the perfect
>place to live to bring up children, the perfect car, the perfect car seat,
>etc., and am coming to the point of wondering what the perfect encyclopedia
>and educational materials might be.

The most perfect encyclopedias the ones in the library.  They get nice new
updated ones every year or so, and so few people use them that YOU migh be the
one cracking open the binding for the very first time.

Otherwise, plan to spend upwards of $1500 (or $50 a month for the next
I-could-pay-off-my-car-faster many months) for your own set that won't
contain tomorrow's headlines.

-Nance
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From: llf@alice.att.com (alice!llf)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.lang
Subject: Re: infants and bilingual training
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:48:23 GMT
Reply-To: llf@alice.UUCP (alice!llf)
Organization: New Jersey State Home for Bewildered Kittens

In article <1992Aug12.154455.4388@chiton.ucsd.edu> martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera) writes:
>and the girl would pick up English at the day care center. So she was exposed to
>3 languages at the same time. Last I saw of them the girl was 2.5 yrs old and
>she could barely communicate with the rest of the world. She'd utter sounds that
>tried to become words if a mixture of languages. Maybe later on she was able to
>learn to tell apart and communicate in all 3 languages (they now live in Italy,
>so there's a 4th language involved). Who knows.

2.5 years old is a bit early to expect that kind of seperation depending on
the child.  At 2.25, ours language skills are just kicking in, and I suspect
would not have been all that much earlier with only one language.

Lynda
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"The One Horseman and Three Pedestrians of the Apocalypse" - Terry Pratchet
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: How to have a smarter baby?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:26:24 GMT

In article <71320@apple.Apple.COM> scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass) writes:
>I already have a smarter baby, but thanks anyway.  >;)
>
>Seriously, I think that stuff's a waste of money.  Babies are
>supposed to be carried and cuddled and that's how they learn
>what they're supposed to learn.

Someone gave me the book when I was a few months pregnant. I have to admit
that I didnt really bother to read it, but at onepoint I sort of browsed 
thru it. I wasnt terribly earth shattering. Basically it was a routine for
interacting with your baby. Even if I was interested in "raising my sons IQ",
I would quickly see that the book wasnt very useful. I naturally interact
with my son. The book was very formulaic and was setting out a schedule for
what to do at what age, and how long to do it a day. I suppose if someone was
really at a loss for how to interact with a baby then it could be helpful, but
if someone it already doing it, then the book is redundant. Even if a parent
isnt doing the exact same things with a baby, I would say the gist of the book
is to talk/cuddle/play with your child. 

Save your money, or check out the local Salvation Army store - that is where
my copy ended up ;-).

Laura Floom
From: smergen@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Sandra Mergen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Choking - What to do?
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:35:24 GMT


After having 2 children, you'd think that I was an old pro
at this but I always still panic when something gets caught
in my children's mouth/throat.

With my first daughter, I always 'fished' it out, and never
had to do anything else,  thank goodness.

But recently, I had given my 7 month old one of those hard 
finger cookies that they are supposed to chew on.  I think
they're called 'biter biscuits'.  When a piece breaks off
in her mouth, I always 'fish' it out with my finger.  Well,
the other day, she got a large piece in her mouth, and I
put my finger in to 'fish' it out, but instead, pushed it
back down her throat (it was slimy).  Instinct made me slap
her back and luckily it came up to her lips where I could
grab it.

But, in the baby books, I read that you put the baby over
you knees and push on their chest in between the ribs, to
get the foreign object to come back up.

Do you do this only when you cant get the object out by
either fishing it out or by slapping their back?  My
pediatrician also mentioned the pushing the chest method.
I don't see how it could work.  Has anyone had to try it?

Needless to say, I don't give her any cookies like this
anymor, but I am starting to give her more pieces of things,
like cooked carrots, bread, etc.  I'm hoping that I don't
have to experience this again, but I would like to know
of other's successful experience with this problem.

Thanks
Sandy

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Funny things they say: 4 yr old
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:30:17 GMT

Last night Sabrina & I were looking at a book which had a lot
of picture of various birds.  I'd ask her if she knew what kind
of bird it was and if she could guess where the bird lived (from
the picture).  Then we'd talk about the bird for a bit.  We did
pretty good for a while -- I was mildly surprised that she recognized
so many.  We went through parot, penguine, robin, and a few others.
Then we got to a Red Headed Woodpecker.  Sabrina said, "I know, that's
a knocking bird!"

Elise.
From: davej@techbook.com (Dave J. Johnsen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Baby Monitor recommendations
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:45:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Aug12.204558.4146
Distribution: usa
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 644-8135

Another tactic, that we used with success, is to forego the monitor and buy
intercomms for the house.  There are four types, and we opted for one of the
type that works with the phone lines.  We gained several things from this.
- A baby monitor.  You can just lock the talk button on, and these are more
  sensitive than any of the monitors I have heard.
- An intercomm.  Now that we don't need the monitor anymore, it is really
  great to be able to talk to the kids downstairs.  Or upstairs if I am down,
  or outside, etc. etc.
- Hold buttons for the phones.  Any phone that is by an intercom gains a hold
  button.  You can then go take the screaming child off of the top of the 
  bookcase without your caller wondering why you are beating the kid.
- A house wide alarm.  This is an added feature I put in, and it works well.  
  We use it in addition to the smoke detector, and the kids know to follow our
  evacuation plan if they hear either one of the alarm, the smoke detectors, or
  the actual fire alarm.  (And we have even practiced at night once, but I am
  not sure I recommend it.  My 2.5 yo was so asleep, she walked off of the
  top step of the stairway, fortuneatly, I was right there and caught her.  Now
  all practice is day time.  Once a month.)

But there are drawbacks.
- Cost.  These cost $49.00 a pair at Radio Shack.  I bought three pair for the
  last house, but I am only using two pair right now.  That will change when I
  wire the shed.  I am probably average in that.
- Not portable, so that is why you need one in many rooms.  And no taking it 
  over to the neighbors.  (Yes, I have heard people actually do that.  I'm too
  paranoid.)
- You need, on my type, to have phone jacks where you need a monitor.  This has
  never been a problem for me, nor for most PC user types.

You can also go with wired intercoms, that are permanently installed, but that 
is best done while building a house.  (If I can ever afford to build a new
house,...  Never mind, I will probably buy another kid with the money. :) )
Another option is battery powered and wired intercomms, they are cheaper, but 
use batteries, which are a no no.  The other option is plug in intercomms that
work over the house wiring.  These weren't an option for us because of 
interference from the x-10 modules the computer uses to run the lights and
security system.

This may be too long, but I just wanted to relate our experiences.

Dave


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TECHbooks is kind enough to provide me with access, I wouldn't presume  
to have their opinions.  I am not even sure I have my own!
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From: kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee)
Subject: Re: God's family values
Reply-To: kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee)
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, CA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 08:08:27 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

I don't see anything wrong with expressing Christian views on this net.  This
per se dosn't mean anyone has to listen to such views.  If I remember
correctly, someone (I forgot his name, let's call him X) said that
expressing Christian views means that somehow other religions are "wrong" or
"worse" -- of course you're right.  Do you expect a Christian to believe
that all religions are equal?  

It is a logical contradiction to believe that all persons have the right
to choose/create religions and moral beliefs on the one hand, but that
to say that one set of values is supreme, on the other
hand, is wrong.  The latter is nothing more than a particular belief which
is as worthy of respect as any other, according to the rest of X's beliefs.

To say that Christianity is supreme doesn't force or automatically
convert anybody into it, and that's all I personally care about.
 
The other side of the coin: X's beliefs in religious and moral freedom
is nothing more than a particular belief either.  It has, therefore, no
right, even in his own eyes, to be held up as a "higher" or objective
truth with which to criticize the Christian who was expressing his/her
views on the absolute supremacy of Christianity.

My problem with X is not a result of any religious or moral
differences but because of his logical flaw.  It's time to look at
these contradictions in the religion of relativism for what they really
are.
From: riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pagan book list
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:47:51 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1992Aug12.222647.2024@hern.stonemarche.org> brighid@hern.stonemarche.org writes:
>Not having a child myself, a have a somewhat limited collection of 
>children's books with a pagan theme. None of them are explicitly pagan 
>but more on the idea of being pagan in the world. Here's a couple:

[Book choices deleted]

>_Grandfather Twilight_. I don't know the author... I've given my copy 
>of the book away. It's a gentle goodnight book. To me it's about being 
>at one with your world.

This book is listed in the current Chinaberry Book Catalog.  It's by
Barbara Berger and it sounds wonderful.  This book interested me
because Rachel and Dave always go for a moon "look" before Rachel's
bedtime.

Her description in the catalog says this:
"This is simply a magical, serene book about something that
elicits more wide-eyed wonder from children than just about any other
thing: the moon.  Go for a moon walk, then read this book."

Chinaberry's number is 1-800-776-2242.  No affliation with them; I
just love getting their books in the mail!

Kathie
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From: CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:30:20 GMT

I have no direct experience with ADD, but my daughters best friend has ADD.
I remember that she had been put on Ritilan (sp?) when she was in kindergarten.
In second grade, I asked Laura's mother how Laura was doing with the
mecication.  It turned out that Laura was no longer on any medication.  Her
mother said that the family couldn't handle the drepression that Laura
experienced while medicated.  What her mother said was "I never would have
thought that a child could be suicidal, but Laura was."
 
The family was very involved in persuing non-drug ways to control the ADD.
It seemed to be working.  Laura is a sweet girl to have around, I hope that
my children act that good when they are at their friends houses!!
 
Every child will react differently to medications.  There is no way to
pre-determine how a child will react to a medication.  I don't think that
anyone should rule out medication, but they should be aware of the side
effects and aware of alternative treatments.
 
Teresa
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ooblick@intercon.com (mikki barry)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 19:27:52 GMT
Reply-To: ooblick@intercon.com (mikki barry)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA

In article <1992Aug17.165539.22982@pony.Ingres.COM>, dan@Ingres.COM (Daniel 
J. Dick) writes:
> Achim, are you aware that your statement is false and amounts to slander of
> the whole of christianity?  I do not wish to burn up "misc.kids" bandwidth
> with any more religious discussions than I've already participated in, but
> for the sake of those publicly injured, this wrong must be corrected!

I believe that Achim wanted to know which bible you were basing your beliefs 
on.  There are many, many versions of both the new and the old testaments.  
There are also many, many different gospels.  Which you choose to follow may 
have a very big impression on your interpretation and belief system.


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