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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 28 Jul 1992 11:31:59 EDT
From: <IK20050@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Could somebody please do a reading for me?

Hi!  I'm kinda new to this newsgroup, but I'v dabbled in
astrology all my life.  I was wondering if someone would be kind
enough to take the time to do an astrological reading for me?
Here are my stats:

Date of Birth:  April 11th, 1972
Place of Birth:  Allentown, Pennsylvania, USA
Time of Birth:   8:45 am
Day of the Week I was born:  Tuesday

Thanks in advance,

Ms. Anderson Mar
From: stevek@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Steve Kauder)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1992 15:24:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Babylonian/Sumerian astrology
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: alt.astrology

>In alt.astrology, eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun) writes:
>
>    Since it is beleived that the art of astrology originates with the Sumerians
>    and was developed by the Babylonian, I wonder if any one has done any
>    research on the subject.

Eshin-Fun,

Thanks for this posting.  If you are able to find out more, please post it.
I personally am interested in such history but I have seen little on it.
>
>    Here in Chicago's Oriental Institute, I found (through a Sumeriologist
>    friend of mine) that a great deal of the tablets on Astrology have not been
>    translated let alone printed.
>
>    There are two works, that I wonder if anyone has read besides myself.
>    These are:
>      "Astronomy & Astrology of the Babylonians by A.H. Sayce LL D
>    and: "Primitive Constellations" 2 volumes whose author I am missing since I
>    have the entire two volumes xerox with out the fronstpiece where you would
>    find the namea.

Hate to be a humbug, but aren't you violating the copyright?

>
>    Thanks in advance
>
>    Eshin-Fun

R's,

Steve Kauder                        Phone: 303-229-3541 
UTD Support and Learning Products   Unix Mail: stevek@hpfcmgw.fc.hp.com

"Computers, Music, Astrology, The Course in Miracles, what's next??"


Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: Jon@newsbase.cs.yale.edu (Jon Rifkin)
Subject: Statistical Birth Data
Organization: University of Connecticut Computing Center
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:54:01 GMT


Is there a place to post (and read) astrological research data?
If some wants it I have
(1)  4633 birth dates (not times) of scientists from WHO'S WHO IN BRITISH
     SCIENCE (1953).
(2)  2492 birth dates of clergyman from PROFESSION AND BIRTH DATE by
     Donald A. Bradley, Copyright 1950 The Llewellyn Foundation for
     Astrological Research.  The birth dates are originally from WHO'S
     WHO IN AMERICA, Vol 14 (1926 A.N.  Marquis Company, Chicago).  List
     includes all people whose bibligraphy indicated they were "ordained
     to the ministry or priesthood of any Christian church".
Perhaps they could go to the FTP site for this group?
Also, is there a place on the net to get Gauquelin's or any other
data?  In particular I would appreciate more birth dates of scientists.
Thanks in advance.
From: tedrick@whistle.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Tedrick)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Skeptical Lurkers (was: Science and Belief vs. Intuition)
Date: 26 Jul 92 08:57:13 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: whistle.berkeley.edu

->pro-astrology folks are anxious not to lose their belief system 

I don't think one needs to be pro-astrology or to have
a fixed system of beliefs in astrology in order to be
interested in astrology. Astrology seems to be an area
where knowledge comes thru attunement (to the planetary influences)
or intution, and is extremely difficult to formalize well enough 
in order to be treated scientifically. Like Yoga, one has to
be personally involved in introspection and practice
in order to experience the effects, one can't know well
the field from the point of view of a detached observer,
hence it seems extraordinarily difficult to verify scientifically
any claims that are made.

Personally I think it's better to treat astrology as a mystery
that might be worth investigating, rather than treating it
as a formal system of beliefs that can be assimilated through
study. Frankly most of the people who talk about astrology
seem like airheads, so if you listen to them you're liable
to be led astray.

The main practical use for astrology seems to me to be in
order to know what areas of one's life are likely to lead
to wealth and good fortune (mainly indicated by Jupiter),
and where misfortune is liable to come (hence where one
needs to exercise caution and restraint), mainly indicated
by Saturn. If you're interested in testing astrology in
your own life, investigating the positions and influences
of Jupiter and Saturn in your chart are most likely to
give you convincing evidence that something important
is going on in the field of astrology.

-- 
"An army is composed of idle and inactive men. Unless the general has a constant
eye on them this artificial machine will fall to pieces. If my soldiers began to
think, not one would remain. All that can be done is give them 'esprit de corps'
and keep them more afraid of their officers than the enemy" -Frederick the Great
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: pisces@cs.mcgill.ca (L. M. P. McPherson)
Subject: Walter Pullen, Where Are You?
Organization: McGill University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:40:49 GMT


Walter, are you out there? Has your address changed? Mail to
cruiser@milton.u.washington.edu bounces! ("User unknown")
What gives?


____________________________________________________________________________

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*      *****************************    to the doors of your design...
*      * pisces@cs.mcgill.ca  *   *     lit the corridors of desire? Were it
 ******                       *   *     not so black and not so hard to see,  
14/3/56 11:31 MST (+7) 104W39 50N25     what use to you then any fire?
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Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: rscott@spock.NMSU.Edu (Joseph Good)
Subject: Biorythm compatability (algorythm wanted)
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 08:17:33 GMT


Does anybody out there know the algorythm to check the
biorythm compatibility of two persons?

I've seen this on the PC, but not on the net at all.

If no, I was wanting a quick compatiblilty between an

Aquarious male (1/27/70) and a Pices female (3/19/73).

The books I've searched don't really give compatibility.  The ones
that do were cheezy love books that said stuff like, "You will
have a passionate sex life".

anybody have any advice?

--

Joseph Good
+-------------------+ - More than just a band....
| Green Dot Brigade | - It's a whole damn army of dots...
+-------------------+ - And we've declared war on the 7-Up dots...

rscott@nmsu.edu (NeXT mail welcome!!)

atlantis@acca.nmsu.edu  (Just plain ol' Unix)
From: gallais@medee.inria.fr (Guillaume Gallais)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: 13 zodiacal signs?
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:25:20 GMT
Organization: INRIA Sophia Antipolis


-- 

Hi,
According to the definition of what is a zodiacal sign, could someone
tell me why astrologers don't make  a wheel  with 13 cases?
The sun goes through the sign "serpentaire" (in french), and 
since now nobody seems to be interested in that sign.

Thanks in advance for yours answers

      Guillaume Gallais

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From: Vasilii.V.Petrenko@dartmouth.edu (Vasilii V. Petrenko)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.music.alternative,alt.fan.douglas-adams,alt.destroy.the.earth,alt.folklore.urban,alt.sex
Subject: Any CTYers or former CTYers out there?
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:03:41 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Anyone associated with CTY (Center for academically Talented Youth) now
can submit things to this, so that we can talk about things like the
Church Of The Everlasting Taco Salad in peace without non-CTY outsiders
annoying us. Feel free to submit anything, and maybe we could get a
real newsgroup going.
                                                      Thanx.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy)
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000 History
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Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 19:23:29 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.144104.5601@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> michaelb@cse.fau.edu (Michael Rogero Brown) writes:
|
|While I've heard of Mondo, my first issue was #5.  (I'm waiting for
|the new #7).   I've found Mondo to be one of those mags that's hard
|to describe/categorize, especially when you're trying to tell your
|friends about it.   

New Edge.  That's how you describe it.  Your friends still won't know what
you're talking about, probably, but you can create a false aura of elitism by
using that term...:) :) :)

|<< Michael R. Brown    CS Graduate Student-Florida Atlantic Univ >>
|<< Internet: michaelb@sol.cse.fau.edu                            >>

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: jwtlai@jeeves.waterloo.edu (Jim W Lai)
Subject: Re: The Difference Engine
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:45:05 GMT

In article <20JUL199222275714@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov> olson@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul Olson) writes:
>The book is clearly falsely advertised.  I
>use as evidence the hook writeup on the back of the paperback version (no, I
>wasn't willing to spend $20 on the hardcover version {and glad of that now}).

Right.  Blame that on the advertising people, not on the authors.  It seems
that the people who write blurbs have historically been less than perfect in
accuracy.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: shaun@octel.com (Ralph Neutrino)
Subject: Re: c_punk movies
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:21:33 GMT

In article <NqoooB8w165w@korova.uucp> system@korova.uucp (razorback) writes:
>ron@zooid.guild.org (Secret Mud) writes:
>
>perhaps heinlein could be considered pre-cyberpunk style, he didnt have 
>the technological inspiration around then when he wrote it. many of 
>heinleins books were written as social commentary...but i do think that 
>many of them could be considered cyberpunk, or at least pre-cyberpunk.

I consider many of them to be science fiction.  All them in fact, except the
glass dagger story (unless I'm confused and someone else wrote it.)

Perhaps the bible could be considered pre-cyberpunk.  Whoever wrote it didn't
have the technological inspiration of lathes, vegetable juicers, or DAT machines
to inspire him/her/them.  Many of the books of the bible were written as social
commentary, but I think many of them (especially Revelations and Genesis)
can be considered cyberpunk, or at least pre-cyberpunk.  The Psalms are a real
snoozer, though.  Kind of like a badly translated printer manual.

Hell, I'd say the same thing about the Koran, except I don't want a price on
my head, at least until I've had my first novel published.

Can you imagine the conniptions various middle-eastern goverments would have 
over some of the binaries groups on Usenet?  

@Man


-- 
shaun@octel.com  ||  Emergency?  Call @Man's 24-Hour Bass Bin Retrieval Hotline.

"The Tuna is a very serious Fish, but also very Silent.  It has the Strength of 
 ten Men.  I have nothing but Respect for It."  -- Darryl Dung
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: bernieb@cix.compulink.co.uk (Steve Browne)
Subject: Re: Gibson's _Book of the Dead_ release 
Cc: bernieb@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: bernieb@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 05:20:27 +0000

>>        This is probably Lo Tek, but aren't there monitors for the Mac 
>>with video out?  You could just tape it :-) 
>> 
>>                               Daniel 
 
and then frame grab it and OCR it :) 
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------- 
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Technical Analyst                                sbrowne@mcimail.com 
PC Magazine UK                                  Steve Browne @ Notes 
+44 (0)71 325 6859          All views are my own, NOT my employers.. 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers)
Subject: Re: Me.. The Biography of an AI ..
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:35:58 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

In <1992Jul21.192029.15053@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> michaelb@cse.fau.edu (Michael Rogero Brown) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.174727.17511@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> cuscd@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Charles Dey) writes:
>>  Me, by Thomas k. Thomas,   anyone know anything about it ??
>>From the back cover, I figured it was an autobiography of the first
>>concious AI, sounds cool, but is it worth reading ?
>>
>>any info on it would be appreciated.
>>thanx..
>>Crim'
>>
>I've read it.  Pretty enjoyable.  I was annoyed that somethings weren't
>explained.  The novel was totally from the AI's perspective and since he (it?)
>was in the dark about some events, so was the reader.

That didn't annoy me at all.  I think it was quite interesting trying to
figure out exactly what was happening.  

BTW:  The name of the author is Thomas T. Thomas.  (I wonder if the T
stands for Thomas?)                    --

-- 
rpowers@panix.com                                   Short & Sweet!

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: myboy@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Lewis Murtaugh)
Subject: YABM (was Re: c_punk movies)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:46:53 GMT

In article <CCKRASIC.92Jul23112120@plg.waterloo.edu> cckrasic@plg.waterloo.edu (Charlie Krasic (Buck)) writes:
>
>Have many people here seen "Until the End of the World"?  It had William Hurt,
>Sam Neill and a bunch of others.  _Excellent_ movie--great acting, great plot,
>some excellent graphics, and an awsome soundtrack.  In fact, I think it
>deserves to replace Bladerunner as holding the designation of `the cyberpunk
>movie'.   If not, it at least deserves mention in the CP FAQ...
>

This was the WORST piece of shit I've ever seen on the silver screen.  It
starts off with a bang, and yes, it has some cool cyberpunk sets and props and
background embellishments.  Yes, the soundtrack is good.  But the acting, the
dialogue, is so cliched it makes one want to puke.  Half the audience walked
out when I saw it.  At first I though they just didn't "get it," but by the
end  it was clear there was nothing to get at all.

There is an absurd voice-over throughout the entire movie.  Characters
disappear and reappear almost randomly (e.g. the bounty hunter, who disappears
after they get to Australia and then miraculously reappears near the end, at
the camp).  The last fifteen minutes are so bad it defies description.  They
make the ending of Blade Runner look like cinematic masterwork.  The plot is
so illogical and convoluted, it... you get the picture.

From what I hear, the movie was made over a space of five or so years, with
numerous stops and starts.  This is obvious from watching it -- some parts
look like they were written on a cocktail napkin and never edited.  There is a
good movie buried in this somewhere, but only under tons of smarmy crap.  If
you really must see this do the following: hire a friend with good taste to
watch the movie on laserdisk, then go through and make his own "director's
cut," copying the finished product onto videotape.  Of course, you'll probably
lose this friend, but that's the price you have to pay   

--
Charles Murtaugh
From: M Maxwell
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Gibson's _Book of the Dead_ release
Date: 23 Jul 1992 23:24:54 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: irpsws80.ucsd.edu

In article <sirota#m#_alex-170792095318@17.9.6.181>
sirota#m#_alex@msgate.corp.apple.com (Alex Sirota) writes:


>Cyberpunk author William Gibson has been writing about technology,
>but until now, his books were physically conventional paper and
>binding. Now, to borrow a phrase from Buckminster Fuller, his
>medium is also his message.           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(deletia)

Uhmmm...guys, wasn't that Marshall Mcluhann (sp), not Bucky Fuller? 
(Not directed at Alex, but at the bonehead who wrote the forwarded 
message).
-------------------
Matt Maxwell
mmaxwell@ucsd.edu

Hey you kids!  Don't touch that, it's ART! 

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: joelong@romeo.caltech.edu (Long, Joseph Louis)
Subject: Re: Non-conformism
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 03:38:00 GMT

>DESPARATELY to be non-conformist that they look and act just like all of
>the others. . . Isn't that self-defeating?
>	I suppose that this is all in response to an article I saw quite some
>time ago about 'exactly what a cyberpunk person is like.'  The 'fight
>the standard' attitude seems to be the primary trademark.  Therefore,
>isn't 'adhering to CP culture' an oxy-moron?

Yup, maybe a lot of these people are more deserving of the title
"rebel without a clue" than "cyberpunk."   :-)
There was a bit in Phrack called something like "Real Cyberpunks"
which listed a bunch of things that "real" cyberpunks are and do...
one of them was something along the lines of "Real Cyberpunks wont give
a shit about what I say a real cyberpunk is." and that was probably the
most true statement in the article.

joe                   "you call it hell... i call it warm."  -Edward KaSpel
From: wendell.martin@matrix.sbs.com (Wendell Martin) 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: RE:SMART DRINKS/NOOTROPIC
Date: 21 Jul 92 01:24:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: wendell.martin@matrix.sbs.com (Wendell Martin) 

Hey, a 3.7% (mean) increase in intelligence if I drink foul goop?
Sign me up...  (Look, folks, you are what you are, all the Yoplait in
the world [which the Scots threw at their enemies] won't help]).

Comfortable where I am,

Wendell
From: hironobu@sra.co.jp (Hironobu Suzuki)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Tetsuo
Date: 27 Jul 92 10:20:43 GMT
	<24120@castle.ed.ac.uk>
Organization: Software Research Associates, Inc., Japan
In-reply-to: erik@castle.ed.ac.uk's message of 23 Jul 92 21:33:43 GMT


In article <24120@castle.ed.ac.uk> erik@castle.ed.ac.uk (E Moncrieff) writes:
 |(car???) and then starts developing mechanical characteristics?  If my memory
 |is correct I think its subtitle was `Tetsuo: The Iron Man.'

I think that Tetsuo has no clear story. It's like a nightmare.

"Tetsuo II " will be coming soon. Tetsuo was a monochrome film. But
"Tetsuo II " become a color film.

There is no relation between a film of Tetsuo and Tetsuo in Akira.

Tetsu means Iron, O means a Man in Japanese. Tetsu-o just means Iron
Man.

						--hironobu


Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: tagg@hg.uleth.ca (Nathaniel Tagg)
Subject: Re: c_punk movies
Reply-To: tagg@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 07:18:25 GMT

In article <Rq3ioB1w165w@korova>, chuck@korova (Chuck You, Dude) writes:
>braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER) writes:
>
>> From article <25JUL199217254118@romeo.caltech.edu>, by joelong@romeo.caltech.
>> 
>> 	hook
>> 
>> 	P.S. Does anyone else out there consider Heinleins _Friday_
>> 	    Cyberpunk??  It has all the elements (corporate war, some 
>> 	    nice hi tech, replicants, space colonies, etc, etc) except 
>> 	    for the net.  and it was written about 1974, i think.
>> 
>
>   I don't know, _Friday_ is one of my all-time favorite books and I have 
>been trying to figure it's CPishness for awhile now.  Friday does take 
>place in a future that is LIKE what we consider Cyberpunk, that is 
>(IMHO), a thinly veiled view of the present, but it lacks the grittiness 
>of most Cyberpunk.  It's as though we had the right world, but were 
>looking at it from the wrong end, above instead of below.  
>   Correct/Incorrect?
> /// & ///
>
    Probably correct.  Heinlen's characters invariably lack grit.  Actually, I
think he only has about 4 characters: good down-home boy makes good (usually in
military), horny old woman, cantankerous but wise old man, and voluptuous, hard
but soft wife-to-hero type.  No deep seated character flaws, only polish.  Yes,
his books include underworld dealings, but they are on a very businesslike
manner, and the characters brought in are invariably helpful and nice or just
lousy.  No grit.  He doesn't like nasty tech like cybertech, either.  He won't
treat drugs other than as happy things, either.  His view is that of the
engineer; cyberpunk is that of the street.

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From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Agrippa
Date: 26 Jul 92 20:21:04 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <L4PeoB5w165w@korova> jbs@korova (jacques) writes:
>Why don't you just take photographs of each page or output the display to 
>a projection screen and photograph THAT? I think this is a fish story. 
>Granted, Neuromancer made a big splash, but what publisher would touch 
>such a baroquely self-indulgent work as Agrippa? Sounds pretty though. At 
>least there's one part of the story I might check out sometime. I can 
>always pop on over to the Houston Museum o' Fine Arts and look for 
>Ashbaugh's etchings (assuming they're on display).

	Ashbaugh's real, "Agrippa"'s real; it's not a book, it's part of an
assemblage, a piece of art.  

	And, once again, "Agrippa" is a ~five page poem, autobiographical;
not a story, not cyberpunk in any obvious sense.


-- 
				Tom Maddox
		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
		   "I swear I never heard the first shot"
                Wm. Gibson, "Agrippa:  a book of the dead"
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