From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 23:31:42 GMT

In article <EGGERTJ.93Jan11221943@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu> eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.233735.3920@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:

>>   The Palestineans are calling for the establishment of a "Homeland" for
>>   themselves in exactly the same plot of land that someone else already
>>   has a homeland.
>
>The same can be said of the pre-1948 Zionists.

Incorrect.  Zionists established the state of Israel in a FRACTION of
what was known as Palestine.  The lion's share of Palestine became
Jordan.  Rather than give the REMAINDER to the Jews who had been
pushed into it from most of the other Arab states, the British
proposed sub-dividing what was left, yet again.  The "Homeland" for
Palestineans had already been established on the East Bank of the
Jordan.  The Arabs violently opposed any Jewish presence in Palestine,
irrespective of proposed borders.  Israel was NOT established on
anyone else's turf.

>>   However, the Palestineans have no historical, legal,
>>   political or cultural justification for this "homeland" that they
>>   propose be excised from the Jewish state.
>
>Historical:  Palestinians have been there for centuries.

Do you mean Palestinean Jews or Palestinean Arabs?  Both had been in
Palestine for centuries.  At the time of the establishment of the
state of Israel, there were no Arab calls to establish another Arab
state called Palestine.  THAT political and public relations trick
took another 2 decades to formulate.  The only thing that Arabs called
for at that time was the destruction of Israel.  Most have not changed 
their tune since then.

>Legal:  They owned the land they were/are being expelled from.

Many of the owners of land SOLD their land to Jews.  Some of those
sellers then KILLED the Jewish buyers and offered the land for sale
AGAIN.  

>Political:  There has been a political entity called Palestine for millenia.
>(I guess that counts for both historical and political.)

Tell us, how did this "political entity called Palestine" vote on the
creation of a Jewish state in the League of Nations.  It WAS a
member in the League of Nations, wasn't it?  Wasn't it?

Palestine has never been a political entity - any more than New
England or Europe have been political entities.  They are all
geographical names, not political names.

>Cultural: The Palestinians (Christians and Muslims) consider Jerusalem
>to be one of their most holy cities.  Other holy sites are to be found
>in the West Bank.

Palestinean Jews consider Jerusalem to be their MOST holy city.
Likewise for other holy sites in the West Bank.  Are you now trying to
explain the supremacy of Jewish Palestinean's claim over Jerusalem and
the West Bank over the claims of Palestinean Arabs?  You're doing it
rather well.

>If you don't see any of these simple facts, you will likely never
>understand the Middle Eastern conflict between Arab and Jew.

Jim, I understood the conflict between Arab and Jew before you ever
even learned to hate, but thanks for your appearance here, anyways.
Your brilliance has been enlightening.

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