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From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Making the Center Grade
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:37:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

ok, tomorrow i may have completely different grades....

In article <1992Jul30.140653.827@NeoSoft.com> claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird) writes:
>			.
>Let's put this in historical perspective.  I assert that
>A+	Wilt
>	Bill Russell
>	Kareem
>
>A	Willis Reed
>	Robert Parish
>	Wes Unseld

        Moses Malone belongs with the A group.

>
>B	Dan Issel
>	Walt Bellamy

        Bob Lanier B.
        Bill Laimbeer B+.

>
>C	Bill Cartwright
>	Joe Barry Carroll
>	Ralph Sampson

     sampson maybe C-.  cartwright B.

>
>
>Akeem is an A, Robinson an A-.

     so Patrick Ewing is an A-?  Robinson will improve.
     Duckfeet: C+, with plenty of room to improve - however....

>  Here are the obvious questions:
>1.  Was George Mikan an A+?
                 only by historical size compared to others.
       give Mikan an A for all that machete work blazing a trail

>    Walton was, when he played, but I can't decide if he played enough.

   Walton: A+ up thru mid-term(77-78), A+ on Special Term Paper(86),
   Incomplete on Final and numerous tests in between.
    Overall: Incomplete (alas!)

>2.  Nate Thurmond:  A-?  B+?

     A- or A, i would say....

>3.  Artis Gilmore:  C+?  B+?  What was wrong with Artis,
>    anyway?  It always seemed that he had a body that could
>    do more; did coaches simply not know how to use him?

     C+.  he never had the proper pieces around him, it seemed,
     so his slowness was exposed.

>4.  Was Dave Cowens A or A-?

  Cowens was A+ in effort, but his size was B+, call it A overall

  Alvan Adams maybe gets a B- the same way (although Alvan was
  more of a passer than a rebounder, compared to Cowens.)

>5.  Darryl Dawkins and George McGinnis are among the many
>    Philadelphia centers who receive "social passes"

   dont forget caldwell jones, a defensive presence, B-.

   and where do we put M**k E***n ?  C? B?
   george johnson?  manute bol?

   a couple of guys coming up:  Mutumbo and Seikaly progressing well.

>-- 
>
>Cameron Laird
>claird@Neosoft.com (claird%Neosoft.com@uunet.uu.net)	+1 713 267 7966
>claird@litwin.com (claird%litwin.com@uunet.uu.net)  	+1 713 996 8546

- nate
From: sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Notes from Rocky Mountain Review
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:40:53 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: sheyn@csa


In article <1992Jul21.224532.443@cheshire.oxy.edu>, tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul21.155028.5005@dsd.es.com> jjehlers@flapjack.dsd.es.com (Jennifer Ehlers) writes:
|> >
|> >Yesterday the Rocky Mountain Review started.  The Rocky Mountain
|> >Review is held in Salt Lake City, and this year runs from July 20-30.
|> 
|>  [...]
|> 
|> >I have the team rosters, schedule of games, and stats from the first
|> >3 games last night.  I will also be working at the games all week.  If
|> >there is an interest I will post stats ect, but if nobody cares, I
|> >don't want to waste my time typing them in.
|> 
|>      Thanks for the interesting report.  My vote is:  keep the reports
|> coming, but don't bother with the stats!  I.e., tell us who's doing
|> unusually well or who's doing unusually poorly.  Or who showed up in
|> an unexpected role, like Paul Pressey.  That would be "news we can use." 
|> E.g. I don't think I want to know the names of every single player 
|> playing for every single team.  But if there's some unexpected name,
|> or unexpectedly missing name, then that's worth reporting.  
|> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> |__	       o
|>   | W			   Mike Tamada
|> 		  |\	   Institutional Research Office
|> 		   \O	   Occidental College
|> 		    |      tamada@oxy.edu
|> 		   /|
|> 		  | |
|> 
I'd like to see stats as well. 
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From: MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com
Subject: Re: Notes and Stats from Tuesday's Rocky Mtn Review
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:17:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.215632.13352@kronos.arc.nasa.gov>
kthompso@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Kevin Thompson) writes:
 
>
>Didn't Denver draft Bryant Stith (sorry if I've gotten confused)?  What
>happened to him?  Holding out?
>
>Kevin Thompson
 
Yes.  The Nuggets drafted Bryant Stith, LaPhonso Ellis and Robert
Werdann.  Neither Stith nor Ellis has signed a contract, and neither was
in camp.  I think both players are supposed to be "close" to signing,
but of course Mark Macon was "close" right up to the start of the
regular season last year, too.
 
Robert Werdann is in camp, and on the Nuggets RMR roster.  He is not
playing because of a bad back.  I don not know if he has signed a
contract.
 
Jim McMaster
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: JORDON OUT WITH BROKEN JAW!
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:07:45 GMT

raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Christopher Raczka) writes:
>    You both need to realize that people DO MAKE typing mistakes

True.  However, that posting had JordOn misspelled not once, not twice,
but all three times.  A mistake?  I don't think so.

>    I suggest that you look over your past
>    postings to this group ...

Thank you.  I always appreciate a suggestion to read some good, clean
prose.  Nice to see that you recommend one of my favorite authors.


--Gidi "Maupassant"
From: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM (Bennet Ih - Sun BOS Hardware - Sunergy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Ewing and Robinson in Olympics
Date: 29 Jul 1992 13:38:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bagheera.east.sun.com

[stuff about why Robinson and Ewing have been ineffective]

> But a little thinking reveals that Ewing and Robinson's poor performance
> in offense is only a necessary consequence of the team's heavy bias toward
> fast breaks. 

> David can run, but still he has the responsibility of blocking shots and
> rebounding and so again you can't expect him run much. 

That's not true. Sometimes the most dangerous player on the break is the 3rd or 4th up 
the court. I've seen Robinson start a break many times with a good block or rebound,
steam up court as the 3rd or fourth guy on the break, slash through the lane and then
take a feed for a monster jam. I'd say a HEALTHY Robinson should flourish in a running
game.

Is it possible that the hand injuries that both players are recovering from are affecting
their games? Both Ewing and Robinson have had recent problems with the thumb
on their shooting hand.


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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: JORDON OUT WITH BROKEN JAW!
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:19:29 GMT

martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:
>P.S. With the DreamTeam playing....I have found a new respect for
>Jordon, Pippen, and especially Barkley.........

Maybe if you really respected Jordan you'd learn how to spell his name.

--Gidi




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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: RESULTS: Basketball (Day 2... incomplete)
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:53:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.213539.3887@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.192932.17918@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>>
>>Rex Chapman is a Charlotte Hornet.  They drafted him 9th in 1988 and I 
>>remember seeing him play last year.
>
>This is ridiculous.  I would have thought it impossible for someone to miss
>all of those 20 million messages informing a previous mis-post.  Rex Chapman
>is a Washington Bullet.  And for that matter, Drazen Petrovic is a Net,
>it's Toni Kukoc who might be a Chicago Bull.  Grrr...

YESSS!!!!!!!  I got one!!!!

And lo' and behold, it's our old friend Jerray!

-- 
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From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Laettner vs Barkley
Keywords: n
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:42:52 GMT
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC

In article <1992Jul29.201603.29192@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com> robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese) writes:
>
>Get the story right - Tree Rollins teeth.  Ainge was the one getting bit.

Let me guess...  You're new to rec.sport.basketball.pro, right?
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From: gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso)
Subject: Trades & Triplecast
Organization: Motorola
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:28:13 GMT

As stated in another article, Stanly Roberts received a HUGE offer from 
the Mavericks.  What wasn't stated is that Roberts agreed because Dallas
offered a one year NO TRADE clause to prevent Dallas from getting Roberts 
then using him for better players.  This SERIOUSLY hurts the Bulls because
the Bull were going to trade King for Harper.  Now, Dallas is looking at 
the Knicks for a Jackson/Harper trade (FU*K!!!) and elsewhere.  On the bright
side, the Bulls have been talking seriously to Gerald Wilkins as a 
backup shooting guard and for defensive purposes.  This would be a huge 
piece filled.  Also, Krause is still talking to Kukoc.  He made a trip there
recently and seemed optomistic.  If anyone else heres Bulls news, please
post or email to me.  You can be Bulls-biased, because I am....

In Sporting News, a great quote that I thought fit the situation....

"Hey, didn't you used to be that NBC exec that thought up the Triplecast?"


==========================================================================  
Christopher Gattuso			

gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com
Motorola, Inc.
Schaumburg, Illinois

"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any vice president,
 and that one word is 'to be prepared'."
                -- Vice President Dan Quayle
==========================================================================  
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Cut & Paste
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 17:50:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Jul22.211901.26342@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>In article <5044@transfer.stratus.com> jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com writes:
>>ed,
>The Boston bias shows up again. Why address this article only to me?
>
>>If you really must keep debating, can you at least go back to your
>>original debate (silly as it may be) about bias and officials,
>>which at least was vaguely about basketball.  
>It takes two to tangle. Obviously I am not the only person
>arguing about Meeks' admissions, but you only tell me to wimp out?

What's a matter Ed, now that more people are coming out against you, you 
are going to battle them as well...

>
>>For over a week now,
>>you have been arguing over whether Dave agrees with you (which
>>he obviously does not, 
>But he screwed up in his three statements, which, for some reasons,
>revealed something that implied admission.

No, it seems that most people think you screwed up and their was no implied
admission.  And now, instead of "admitting" something, you have wimped out to
"revealed something that implied admission.".
>
>>All it does is muddle
>>it (which perhaps is what you were intending, since a lot of people
>>had joined the fray to poke holes in what you were saying). 
>I don't know. "A lot of people" only include Celtics fans who disagree
>that the Celtics getting preferential treatment, so what's new?

Yeah, it only involves people with a different opinion than Ed.  Remember back
when, Ed..  We did this poll that you were so happy about, because you "led"
in support 4-3, or something to that nature. Well, you quickly shut up when
you realized that it quickly turned into something like 9-4 against you.
I guess all 9 of those people, some of which have stated their non-support of
the Celtics, are just "Celtics fans".  Of course, whenever people disagree
with Ed in our arguments, it is always because they are either Celtics fans
(which shouldn't matter in this case), or Meeks supporters/Amigos.  Geesh
why is it that anyone who disagrees with you is one or the other??  If your
wife disagrees with you, do you accuse her of being an Amigo???
-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: 1988 "Dream" (nightmare) Team
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:44:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.233622.304@athena.cs.uga.edu> milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman) writes:
>I know about half of the team that a sorry excuse for a coach picked for the
>1988 Olympic team, but I can't come up with the rest. Here's what I know:
>David Robinson
>"Thunder" Dan Majerle
>Hersey Hawkins
>Danny Manning
>Bimbo Coles
>Stacey Augmon
>Mitch Richmond
>And some guy who played for G'town in the early 1980's
>
>If you know of any others, please post them for me.
>
>					       Rick Milleman

J.R. Reid was there.

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From: harryk@omews58.intel.com (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: Sixers Camp News?
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:46:12 GMT

In article <Brt6qv.Hu5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>	If Hornacek were to start, where'd he play?  Shooting guard?  Nope
>	Hersey's there. Hornacek's
>	more used to coming off the bench than the other guys -- due to his
>	earlier experience -- so that should make him the 1st candidate.

Yea, Shooting guard.  Is that a surprise?  Yea, Hersey's there.  So,
what's your point?  Horney's about the best pure shooter in the league,
handles the ball better than most 2 guards, gets more than his share of
rebounds ans assists and you don't want to start him because he's got
bench experience.  I understand completely - but don't coach my team.
From: dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Scott Ostler on Pippen vs Kukoc
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:57:54 GMT
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

In article <1992Jul29.154749.14237@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>
>From today's SF Chronicle:
>
>	Congratulations to the Dream Team for shutting down Tony
>	Kukoc, and for bragging about it. [...]
>	I could shut down Kukoc if I had Jordan and Magic helping
>	me to triple team him [...]
>	If Kukoc ever gets to the NBA, at least he knows he won't be
>	quintuple-teamed every time [...]
>	Yes, Kukoc still has a lot to learn.  If he were an NBA player,
>	then after scoring only four points he would have said that he
>	had a headache.
>
>Ooh, that one was below the belt.
>
>--Gidi

Kukoc will be a good player in the NBA. He will help the Bulls greatly. He
is only 23 years old so he is ~ the age of a NBA rookie. He had a bad game
but with everyone on the Dream team geared up to stop him, one would expect
him to be snuffed out. After watching the telecast (TripleCast at a local 
bar), I still feel that Kukoc will make an excelent addition to the Bulls.

						Dennis Joyce
From: vreddy@husc3.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: 92-93 Charlotte Roster (was Re: Hammonds, Charlotte)
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:51:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Jul22.205159.14079
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <9207221156.AA29744@walt.disney>, chill@walt.UUCP (Curtis Hill) writes:
> 
> 
> Tommy's been working hard at trying to make the team and start.  In
> an interview with the Raleigh N&O last week, he said he thought he
> could play the defense necessary to start at small forward for the
> Hornets.  I never thought defense was his strong suit, but his 
> competition at sf in Charlotte are graduates of the Kiki Vandeweghe
> School of Matador Defense(tm), so maybe he's got a point.
> 

OK... you have an excxellent point. I didn't realize this information till
you and one of my regular hometown sources on Charlotte informed me. Small
Forward is a position that is needed (Muggsy may need some help after all),
but that has been overlooked because of the until-recent HUGE lack in the
center position. But, Alonzo is here!

> 
> I believe Tom led the team in scoring at the Orlando training camp tournament.
> 
> I think Charlotte will keep him.  They may try to increase his stock by
> playing him this year and then trading him.  Charlotte needs a good sf,
> so why not give Tom a good chance?

The only reason I was giving Tom less chance is because I am having trouble
finding other players (other than Leckner) that can be traded easily (or
cut) to make room for Mourning and Bennett, both of whom will stay I am sure.
I mean, they are gonna keep Johnson, Gill, Bogues (?), Curry, Mourning, 
Bennett, Gattison, Gminski (?), Lynch. Who will the other 3 players be?
Hammonds could very well be one of them now that I have heard his before-now
unknown-to-me potential. (If that made any sense...) :)
It's time to go look at the roster so I know who they are...

> 
> Also, Tony Bennett (from UW-Green Bay) has been playing well and should
> give Perry a good run at backup point.

Bennett is my choice to be starting sf in the near future (one or two 
seasons from now). I think he's a rookie with a lot of potential.

> 
> I'd like to know where the UNCC folks are who should be churning out this
> Charlotte information?  Hello?  Anyone out there?

I agree! Are y'all gonna rely on a SOUTH Carolinian like myself to help
keep this little conversation alive? :)

> 
> 
> 
> Curtis Hill
> star3!walt!chill@mcnc.org

-- Venk Reddy --

Born 'n' bred in Georgia and the Carolinas, and damn proud of it!
Go Hornets, Braves, Falcons, and Gamecocks!
From: nsg@tarsus.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: REAL TripleCast Numbers (was Re: Olympic Tripl...)
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:13:02 GMT
Reply-To: nsg@hwperform.austin.ibm.com ()
Organization: IBM Austin, TX


The actual number of Olympic TripleCasts sold by NBC/CableVision
as of July 13 is ... in the range of 50,000 - 60,000 according to
an independant study. I think the 5,000 number which has been
ruthlessly kicked around for the last month was someones' attempt
at sarcasm towards the idea of PPV.
My feeling on the subject is: If you don't want it, don't buy it.
And quit whining about it. TV isn't some inalienable right which 
everyone is entitled to for free, it's a business whose purpose is
to make money. Even if the idea of PPV is assinine.



-- nik gupte
From: rlehardy@lonestar.utsa.edu (Robert A. Lehardy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Olympic jerk
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:52:20 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

I'm glad to have Sir Charles on the team.  He's there to make sure
everyone gets the message that some Americans just won't be pushed
around any longer.  A little intimidation is a good thing - even
in the rarified atmosphere of the Olympics.
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From: martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara)
Subject: JORDON OUT WITH BROKEN JAW!
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 11:56:12 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

Just Kidding! I saw this exact headline in the USA Today a few months ago
at the beginning of the NBA play-offs. Being from Detroit and all, I nearly
fell off my chair......until I read that it was Ricky Jordon from the
Phillies that had broken his jaw.......

I thought a few people would get a kick out of this!


					Marty


P.S. With the DreamTeam playing....I have found a new respect for
Jordon, Pippen, and especially Barkley.........

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From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Subject: Re: USA v Angola
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 14:25:03 GMT

In article <1tT-YV_@engin.umich.edu> martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:
>Now that's a quote! In the NBA the players usually get on each other if they
>are too close to a player like Jordon when he dunks. They don't want to wind
>up in the poster! I faintly remember reading (or hearing) that there were
>some players in the NBA who were keeping track of the players that were
>'POSTERIZED'....being in someone else's poster!
>
>Anyone know(or care) about this?
>
>					Marty

this thread appeared a while back.  a kid asked some player (Kevin Willis??)
for an autograph on a poster.  the player was at first beaming that some kid
had a poster, but then it turned out to be a jordan poster with him on the
receiving end of a jam.  hence the fear of getting "posterized".  i think the
player still signed the poster, though.

- nate
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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Olympic jerk
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:16:54 GMT
Summary: Barkley or Malone

In article <jjonsson.39@alexandria.lib.utah.edu>, jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:
> The only reason Charles is getting more points than Karl Malone is that 
> Stockton isn't on the floor. I guarantee when those two complimentary 
> players step on the floor, Karl will outshine Sir Charlie. IMHO Charles 
> Barkley is an embarrasment when he's out there behaving like the DT was in 
> trouble or something. Give it a rest Charles. 

In other words, the only reason Karl Malone is an All-Star is because of
John Stockton, and if Karl Malone was on any other team he would be nothing
more than an average player.  While Charles on the other hand, is one of the
best on the planet whether he plays with the DREAM TEAM or along side Manute
Bol and Charles Shackeleford.  Guess that put the Barkley vs Malone debate
to rest, huh?

What's that?  Oh now you want to debate Barkley vs Malone and Stockton:-)?

> P.S. Phoenix is just waiting to fall apart with that irritant on their team.
> Can you imagine Charles and Danny Ainge on the same team, they'll be at each 
> other's throats in no time.

That irritant is going to score 25 points and grab 12 rebounds each game.
He's also going to draw the double team freeing up a teammate to score
and rebound.  And he has the emotion and the desire to do that every
night.  Lots of rebounds and lots of points leads to lots of wins.

Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
alux2!jmd

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