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From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Join the AKA
Date: 23 Jan 93 19:24:35 GMT
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Organisation: STACK Finland

In <81391@hydra.gatech.EDU> sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P) writes:
>
>Come fly with us!
> Join the worldwide membership of the 
>
>        $100,000 liability issurance that covers you while flying, anytime
>        you fly. $1,000,000 worth of coverage when flying in sanctioned events.
>

Please explain, my knowledge of English has only: "assurance" and "insurance"
is "issurance" something else? Is it really "worldwide"? 
Please post the terms.
>
> even charge your membership due. What more do you want for convience?
>
> So call 1-800-AKA-2550 or mail a check to:

Don't .... ever learn that 800-numbers in US don't work
worldwide/internationally.

>You'll be gald you did. 

I'll just hope I will be as glad, when I am the member of AKA.

Smooth Winds
Simo Salanne
STACK Finland
From: sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: KTA Convention and Trade Show
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:28:14 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan18.183136.2081@netcom.com> steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) writes:
>In article <1993Jan15.164425.3090@das.harvard.edu> sasaki@netop3.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki) writes:
>>
>>Well, I take issue with "the best", but the Icarex Pro is a hot kite.

I said ONE of the best. I don't think we could ever agree on the single
best kite out there. Sort of like comparing Ferrarris and Lamboghinis.

>Dean Jordan's trying
>to become the Cavin Kline of kites--yawn.

Well, somebody has too, right? As far as price goes, yeah they're expensive 
but what the hell. Lots of expensive kites out there. And really if you're
good, the kite shouldn't make that much difference. If you want a
particular characteristic, you need to do your own design and fabrication,
thus the TRSK is on the boards (prototype by end of Feb! (Hope, hope, hope))

>(Replacing one extreme viewpoint with another... welcome to usenet...)
>
>
>____________
>Steve Thomas
>steveth@rossinc.com

Welcome to the group Steve. You're view point is more than welcome
from this corner. Might not agree...but certainly more than welcome.


-- 

The Mad Hata  

"Hey, Mon....Tako Kichi!"
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne)
Subject: Re: Graphite spars for the Scorpion
Keywords: Good replacements
Organisation: STACK Finland
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 10:06:39 GMT

In <1jjtihINNo75@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> northg@pine.egr.msu.edu (George M North) writes:

(text deleted)
>|> 
>|> >I really like the way the Scorpion does ground work, but if I bust leading
>|> >edges all the time...
>|> 
>|> My guess is that the Scorpion usually comes with Beman rods. Bemans
>|> are lighter for the same stiffness than AFC, but AFCs are tougher. If
>|> you have the weather that will let you go with a heavier rod, switch
>|> to AFC. If you often find yourself grounded or barely flying then I
>|> would stay with Beman.

>Back when the Lite Flight first came out my LF had a problem with the bottom cross spars
>spliting along the center axis. they were thiner walled rods like the Beman rods so 
>I replaced them with AFC (just the cross spars) if you want to change rods give the Pro 

Lite Flight is using RBJ spars (I mentioned them in my earlier followup), they
"have tendency to split" - as the Lite Flight manufacturer says. 
As RBJ is is quite flexible, AFC 1960 is pretty close what comes to
the stiffness and weight. But Lite Flight will become better if the
frame is a little stiffer, e.g. any Beman 5.5 mm, will do.

Smooth Winds
Simo Salanne
From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Help Translating German - a correction
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:01:03 GMT
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Organisation: STACK Finland

In <1993Jan26.154443.26471@newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de> MOD21290@ipc1.rrzn.uni-hannover.de (Mathias Sauter, Modula) writes:


>   >5. Anbringung der Waage am Seitenstab und Spannung des Segels
>uber die Pfeilnocke mit dem Gummiband

>5. Mounting the scale on the side-rod and tighten up the sail with the rubber-band through the part at the end of the rod it runs through (I don't know the right term for 'Pfeilnocke', (arrow-cam, perhaps))

it's arrow nock.

>   >6. Befestigung der Waage an der Alumuffe der untern Spreize

>6. Mount the scale at the aluminum-pipe of the lower crotch

Ooops, I didn't notice this on first reading... but "der Waage"
means the bridle and "Spreize" is spreader.

Smooth Winds
Simo Salanne
From: xrjdm@twinpeaks.gsfc.nasa.gov (Joseph D. McMahon)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: "Late Night" Opening Computer Graphics
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:28:07 GMT
Reply-To: xrjdm@calvin.gsfc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA/GSFC NCCS
X-Posted-From: twinpeaks.gsfc.nasa.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Note for non-US readers: "Late Night with David Letterman" is a very popular
TV sho on NBC (which is owned by General Electric). Letterman has a running
joke about how much ge dislikes "those GE weasels". The current opening
credits include a very nice computer graphic "movie" of a journey from a
spot near the Sun to New York (kind of like the "Voyager" animations, where
the vehicle is shown passing Jupiter and Saturn). During this, the viewpoint
passes a very nicely rendered kite on the way. That said...

In article <1993Jan27.053609.22636@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, flournoy@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Raymond Suke Flournoy) writes:
>amck@rowdy.mcc.com (Alan McKendree) writes:
>
>>This reminds me of a question aked earlier but I never saw an answer
>>-- does anyone know what the Japanese on the kite means?
>
>   There are 2 distinct messages I have seen.  Both are simply
> transliterations, one saying "Late Night," and the other "G.E. Sucks."
> 
>   If you want to differentiate them, the "Late Night" is written in a
> softer, rounder script.  The "G.E. Sucks" uses a different syllabary
> which is much more angular and harsh.  Considering the messages, the
> constrast in lettering is a nice detail.
> 
  --- Joe M.
From: pat@cs.strath.ac.uk (Patrick Prosser)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Stunt Kite Newbie has a question
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:22:17 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

Mmmmm ... depends on the size of your wad, and what turns you on.
Let's assume that money is no objects. Further assume that you want excitement.
Get a flexi-foil 6' or 10'. That will give you a thrill.

Instead, assume you are interested in skill, finesse, precision.
Think of something like a Rare Air Cheetah, Tim Benson's Phantom.
These aren't "beginer's" kites, as they say, but you'll get the hang of
it pretty quickly (there's not that much involved in getting competent).

Start at the top?!
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne)
Subject: Re: Stunt Kite Newbie has a question
Organisation: STACK Finland
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 07:41:34 GMT

In <93022.012039ELM113@psuvm.psu.edu> <ELM113@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>I have an interest in entering the realm of stunt kites, but I a little
>stuck as to which kite to buy, and there's nobody for me to ask.  Can anyone
>give me suggestions.  I'd appreciate it very much if someone responded.
>Please, e- mail me an answer at the address listed below..

If you follow this newsgroup for a while, there will be a FAQ
giving answers to you. Please stay tuned!

Smooth Winds
Simo Salanne
From: malle@rpksun4.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de (Bernhard Malle)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Translation into german
Date: 27 Jan 1993 10:04:25 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe (FRG)
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rpksun2.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de

Hello Simo,

> 3. mean "Aussensegel" ... outer sail?
> 4. mean "Gestange Masse" ... the weight of a stick/spar?

> Eben Winde
> Simo Salanne
> STACK Finland

Aussensegel indeed means outer sail (should be Au\3ensegel, for TeXeperts)
"Gestaenge Masse" does mean the weight of the spars, but nevertheless I think
that something else it meant: it's the same trick
as above: it should be "Gest\"angema\3e" and then the translation is "dimension
of the spars"

Hope this helps

Bernhard
From: sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Join the AKA
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:36:00 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan23.192435.838@nic.funet.fi> salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne) writes:
>
>is "issurance" something else? Is it really "worldwide"? 

Issurance: An irrational act of posting various diatribes to rec.kites
           in the hope of establishing dialogues with others of
           similar persuasion

(Actually, I can't spell worth a flip. Never could. Should have been
insurance. Sorry, I'll catch it in the master copy)

  
>Don't .... ever learn that 800-numbers in US don't work

Oh, well. Learn something new everyday!

>I'll just hope I will be as glad, when I am the member of AKA.
>Smooth Winds
>Simo Salanne

I hope so to. As I recall off the top of my head, Martin Lester is the
international regional director.

Gentle Breezes.

-- 

The Mad Hata  

"Hey, Mon....Tako Kichi!"
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie)
Subject: Re: FlowForm
Organization: Negligible.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:30:41 GMT

In article <18146@umd5.umd.edu> jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) writes:
>This was also my first experience with binding edges, and that went reasonably
>well.  The binding I used was a bit stretchy, and got tautened a bit
>while I sewed it on, so the fabric is very lightly bunched up in places, 
>but it doesn't seem to have effected the kite.

I had a similar problem when sewing the fabric onto the vent of my 15m foil.
I measured the vent to size, because the vent fabric is very stiff and easy
to measure, then just sewed the skin fabric onto it.  On one seam, I was sewing
with the ripstop on top and the vent underneath.  On the other seam, I was
sewing with the vent on top and the ripstop underneath.  The difference in
fabric tension resulted in the "vent-on-top" seam consuming 60cm more
ripstop along the 15m seam.  Just to make things worse, I did a re-inforcing
zig-zag, before deciding that it was no good and un-picking it all. :-(

A full report on designing, constructing and flying this kite when it
is finished...

Andrew
-- 
Andrew Beattie PO Box 109, Basingstoke, RG24 0YB, UK.  
Email:andrew@tug.com Phone:+44-256-464912
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: ar12@quads.uchicago.edu (Andre Robotewskyj)
Subject: Help with angle at apex for delta
Reply-To: ar12@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:30:39 GMT

Hi ho,
Does anyone out there know what the optimal angle at the delta apex
(angle between leading edge spars) would be- or in what way the angle
effects flight characteristics- the somewhat arbitrary design I've cooked
up for my 18' delta has an apex angle of 112 degrees - trailing edge=
18' (tip to tip). This seems to be well withing the range I've found
in commerically manufactured kites tending perhaps to the wide end of the
spectrum- should I decrease it?       
Andre


Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne)
Subject: Re: plotfoil
Organisation: STACK Finland
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 08:17:31 GMT

In <18157@umd5.umd.edu> jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) writes:

>(now I just have to get it to generate in chords big enough to be useful...
>but that involves recompiling it for home use)

Are you planning to use them in kite building? 

I had a look at plotfoil some time ago, but then I did not found
any use of in kite building. Perhaps times have changed, now we
have new materials with "no stretch",... have to sew the form into
the sail???

Smooth Winds
Simo SAlanne
From: sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Orlando area
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:42:00 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <C14DGH.75o@tug.com> andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) writes:
>
>I should be in Florida and the Western Caribian for a couple of weeks,
>starting 10th April this year.
>
>Are there any kite groups, local events or shops that I should visit
>during this time?
>
>This is a two-way deal - I'd like to meet the local fliers and I'll
>try to bring along some of my more interesting kit to share.
>
>Andrew
>-- 
>Andrew Beattie PO Box 109, Basingstoke, RG24 0YB, UK.  
>Email:andrew@tug.com Phone:+44-256-464912

Andrew,

If you're in the Orlando area, go to the Mercado, a big fancy theme type
shopping center on International Drive. International Drive is well
known so people should be able to dirrect you there and taxi drivers
would for sure know where it is. I don't recall the store's name, but I
know the local kite merchant is in that shopping center.

Otherwise, if in Jacksonville, try and get in touch with Dale Anderson
who is pretty well know in that area. He should be able to hook you
up with the Air Heads, the local kite group in Jacksonville.

If you really want, I can look up some more info this weekend. It is
all at home and I'm at work after hours. Ah, what the hell. If I remember
I'll just bring in some Florida info and post it back.

Cheers!


-- 

The Mad Hata  

"Hey, Mon....Tako Kichi!"
From: ar12@quads.uchicago.edu (Andre Robotewskyj)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: To build a 15' or 18' delta?
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:25:22 GMT
Reply-To: ar12@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

OK- it's the middle of winter here in Chicago and I've got the worst case
of kite withdrawl symptoms immaginable... So, since I can't go out and
fly my kite in sub-zero weather (actually, I can, but I don't care to),
I'm doing the next best thing- building one! Ah, but this will be no
ordinary delta: those tiny "full-sized" deltas (like my Fire Bee) just
don't cut it anymore- I want something BIG and DANGEROUS- so, I'm debating
whether to make it a 15' or 18' swept wing- I'm going to use .505"
FG and 1.5oz ripstop- the design will probably be similar to the
Force 10. Any suggestions out there? Any experience flying such beasts?
Thanks in advance,
Andre
.
From: pat@cs.strath.ac.uk (Patrick Prosser)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Orlando area
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:38:47 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

Believe it or not, I will also be in Orlando,
from 27th Feb to 6th March, presenting a paper at CAIA-93
("BM+BJ=BMJ" a truely beautiful piece of work :-)

I'll be staying at the Walt Disney Yacht Club, as that's 
where the conference is being held.

So I too am interested in where I can fly, what the conditions
are like, shops, clubs, and if there will be anyone there
from this newsgroup. Also, are there any local byelaws etc that
we should be aware of.


Patrick
From: sasaki@netop3.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki)
Subject: Re: plotfoil
Reply-To: sasaki@netop3.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki)
Organization: Harvard University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:17:41 GMT


In article <18198@umd5.umd.edu>, jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) writes:
>In article <1993Jan27.081731.16438@nic.funet.fi> salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne) writes:
>>Are you planning to use them in kite building? 
>
>Yup.
>
>>I had a look at plotfoil some time ago, but then I did not found
>>any use of in kite building. Perhaps times have changed, now we
>>have new materials with "no stretch",... have to sew the form into
>>the sail???
>
>Ever heard of a parafoil?  They tend to use airfoils for risers. ;-)

One thing that you have to keep in mind, and I think this is what Simo
is getting at, is that current construction techniques and commonly
used materials won't allow for very precise airfoils. Once you get any
distance from a rib/riser the airfoil will distort, especially with
front-end opened cells.

Most kites don't require the higher efficiency airfoils and couldn't
take advantage of them because of the distortion. Take a look at the
airfoil of a typical flow form, it's boxy, with the center section
abruptly cut off. The opened cells distort the shape of the airfoil
like crazy, and also produce a lot of drag. Yet most kite folks are
very happy with the way their flow forms fly.

I've made a few parafoils/flow forms and have sketched the airfoils
using a staightedge for the straight parts and free hand drawing the
curved parts. All have flown well.

If you have the resources to use a program like plotfoil, then go
ahead. However, I'm sure you will find that doing the airfoil by hand
will result in a kite that flys just as well.
--
Marty Sasaki               Harvard University           Sasaki Kite Fabrications
sasaki@noc.harvard.edu     Network Operations Division  26 Green Street
                           10 Ware Street               Jamaica Plain, MA 02130
                           Cambridge, MA 02138-4002     phone/fax: 617-522-8546

Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: mskogmo@nmsu.edu (SKOGMO)
Subject: Parafoil Stunters??  Help!
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: rec.kites
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:07:10 GMT


Hello,
	I have been flying my little "HotWings" stunter for quite a
while now and want to move on and up. I have flown other kites besides
mine. i.e. Hawaiian Team Kites etc.  I was wondering if anyone on this
group had ever flown a Parafoil stunter?  How do they pull?  Are they
hard to inflate--take down?  Are they worth it?  In an old (1990) Into
the Wind, a Paraflex stunter is shown.  It says that it can be flown
in light 8-12 mph to heavy 25-31 mph winds.  Cost then...$150.00.



Thanks in  advance,
Matt

mskogmo@dante.nmsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: MOD21290@ipc1.rrzn.uni-hannover.de (Mathias Sauter, Modula)
Subject: Re: Help Translating German
Reply-To: MOD21290@ipc1.rrzn.uni-hannover.de
Organization: RVS, Universitaet Hannover, Germany
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:11:00 GMT


   >1. Schnittmuster mit Paneelen

1. Cutting pattern with panels

   >2. Schnittmuster ohne Paneele Beim Mittelsegal 2 werden im Unterschied zum Mittelsegal 1 an der Kante fur die Mittelstabtasche 2.8 cm zugegeben

2. Cutting pattern without panels. In contrast to mid-sail 1 add 2.8 cm on the edge for the middle rod holder for mid-sail 2`

   >3. Aub(Beta)ensegal
   >4. Gestange Mab(Beta)e

3./4. I've no idea what that means.

   >5. Anbringung der Waage am Seitenstab und Spannung des Segels
uber die Pfeilnocke mit dem Gummiband

5. Mounting the scale on the side-rod and tighten up the sail with the rubber-band through the part at the end of the rod it runs through (I don't know the right term for 'Pfeilnocke', (arrow-cam, perhaps))

   >6. Befestigung der Waage an der Alumuffe der untern Spreize

6. Mount the scale at the aluminum-pipe of the lower crotch

   >7. Spannung des Gummibandes uber die Alumuffe

7. Tighten up the rubber-band via the aluminum-pipe

   >8. Das Gummiband wird vorne uber den Schlauchverbinder, durch den die Alumuffe fuhrt, nach hinten gespannt und von hinten auf die gleiche Weise nach vorne

8. Take the rubber-band, make a bow around the hose-connector from front to back and vice versa

   >9. Schlauchverbinder

9. It's a connector made of PVC-hose made for connecting rods

   >10. untere Spreize

10. lower crotch

   >11. Die Kanten der Segelhalften und des Dacron werden bundig
aufeinander gelegt und wie gezeigt vernaht

11. The edges of the sail-halfs and the Dacron are put together alined and sowen together as shown

Angaben ohne Gewaehr !!!!
From: cjsn_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Chris Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Parafoil Stunters?? Help!
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:40:21 GMT
Distribution: rec.kites
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Well I have flown a parafoil stunter. I found that it pulled quite hard
in a good wind, say >10mph. I liked the tug it gave, but as I found out,
the kite doesn't fly very tight turns. It is very heavy, in the sense that
it is hard turn those nice tight corners I like to turn. :) Also when turning
you don't have to pull very far to make it to start turn. I thought that was
a little tricky. But I loved flying staight into the ground, with no side 
effects. I even managed to return to flight without leaving my handles and
re-inflating the foil. I flew a friends replica of something I can't remeber
the name of. I guess I enjoyed the changed to a new stunt kite. Its different
not necessarily better, but I like new challenges. I also found out, that if
you just tug really hard on one line, the foil tends to fold up in mid-flight.
It appears that the kite might just crash. But just before the kite hite the
ground, reset the lines to equal length and away you go, the foil always seemed
to refill itself. It's a real crowd pleaser. The noise was also a bit quieter.
I hope you get a chance to fly one! :)
							Chris
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie)
Subject: Re: Stunt Kite Newbie has a question
Organization: Negligible.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:52:18 GMT

In article <11426@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> pat@cs.strath.ac.uk (Patrick Prosser) writes:
>Let's assume that money is no objects. Further assume that you want excitement.
>Get a flexi-foil 6' or 10'. That will give you a thrill.
>
>Instead, assume you are interested in skill, finesse, precision.
>Think of something like a Rare Air Cheetah, Tim Benson's Phantom.
>These aren't "beginer's" kites, as they say, but you'll get the hang of
>it pretty quickly (there's not that much involved in getting competent).
>
>Start at the top?!

I'll second that.  So many Newbies watch fliers in the field go to a shop
and come out with the cheapest swept wing stunt kite in the shop and
maybe even (shudder) nylon line.  They find that that can't do half the
tricks that the rest of us do with ease and most of the time, they can't
even get it off the ground.  The smaller, cheaper swept wing kites are
often the least appropriate for a beginner.  Try to get them ready to
spend 150 quid (UK money/UK prices) on a decent full size kite like
a Phantom(*) and a set of Spectra lines.  Would you spend half that money
on something mediocre?  Don't encourage them to either.

If that can't afford it, fair enough, encourage them to *build* - it's not that
difficult to build a good full size kite for the price of a cheap, nasty
one, and it's *much* more satisfying.

(*)Just an example, that everyone should know and recognise.

Andrew
-- 
Andrew Beattie PO Box 109, Basingstoke, RG24 0YB, UK.  
Email:andrew@tug.com Phone:+44-256-464912
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: sasaki@netop3.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki)
Subject: Posting for someone who doesn't have net access...
Reply-To: sasaki@netop3.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki)
Organization: Harvard University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:51:48 GMT


I have just been introduced to the fun of flying stunt kites - and
having already purchase two Flexis - would like to extend my
collection...  As finances are short, I would like to try my hand at
constructing a delta wing stunter and am looking for suggestions or
any leads on good plans that are available and where. Also any
experiences of which kite would be a good one to start with
would be appreciated.

Whilst posting these question are there any kiteflyers in Australia who
read this newsgroup and know of availability of kites, parts, plans,
books etc in Australia ???? - please feel free to Email me direct.

                ie Graeme Poole
                yagdp@ntx.City.UniSa.edu.au
                Planning Unit
                University of South Australia
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Please respond directly to Graeme. I'm working on gateway software
between the mailing list and the newsgroup, but things aren't in place
yet.

If anyone does just reply to me rather than to Graeme, I'll forward
things along to him...
			Marty