From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: HR 4983
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:57:35 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Distribution: tx
Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin, Republic of Texas

In article <7010@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>              I ask again, since you ignored the question the first time: what
>are you going to do, incarcerate her to prevent her from taking the coathanger
>route to freedom?

I ignored the question on purpose.  It is like asking "What are you going
to do, lock up all gun owners to prevent them from robbing stores?"

I have the self-control to leave the 9mm locked and loaded and NOT drag it
down to a grocery store.  I see no reason why a woman can't live with her
mistake and just give the kid up for adoption.  Life sucks.  No one forced
her to get pregnant and her carelessness doesn't mean she gets to kill an
innocent person to make up for her mistake.

>I'm not the one pushing it. You are, in inadequate response to my argument
>that the fetus is a biological parasite on the host mother.

Because the child isn't a parasite.  "Parasite" means something - and it
isn't "fetus".

Look, child birth is perfectly normal.  It is predictable - if you have
sex and are fertile, you stand a risk of getting pregnant.  Your pretending
that the child is some "parasite" is like people who whine that they didn't
read the fine print on a contract.  If you have sex and are capable of
having a child, becoming pregnant is a risk you just have to accept.  Get
over it.

>>Slavery implies a lack of consent.
>
>She has not consented to become a mother. You would force her to anyway.

I have forced nothing on her.  She was born with a uterus, ovaries and a
lifetime supply of eggs.  SHE is the one that said "Yes, I'll respect you
in the morning", not I.

When I go diving I often have to sign a consent form that says if I get
killed, tough.  Now, if I'm dead, presumably my wife will not have any
luck saying that I didn't consent to being killed.  OF COURSE I didn't
consent to dying.  But it doesn't matter, I knew the risk and I accepted
it.  Well, she knew the risk and she accepted it.

>Source?
>What about incest? What, for that matter, about underreporting?

Oh, who the hell knows the source.  It was on the damned radio.

As someone who has conceived multiple children, I am hear to tell you
that getting pregnant is NOT easy.

And as for incest, not all incest related pregnancies end in abortion.
Nor do all women who become pregnant as a result of rape kill their
children.  After all, the kid is as much hers as if she and her mate
conceived the child.  The child STILL has 23 chromosomes from her.  It
is STILL her child.  Killing it won't make it any less hers.

>He who wants the child can pay for it. The anti-abortionists' argument that
>there are families out there just waiting to adopt lends credence to this one:
>let them adopt the child, and let them pay for it.

It's kinda tough when the kid is killed before it is born.  That there is
a very long waiting list for babies is evidence that a large reduction in
abortions would be absorbed by the adoption industry.

>If the mother chooses to have it, she should make that choice with _all_ the
>facts in front of her, including the fact that she's going to have hardships
>in raising the child singlehandedly. That oughtta make you happy, John: it
>should definitely cut down on the number of single parents.

Unless she has been featured on the Enquirer recently, I doubt that she
has managed to get herself pregnant all by herself. 

The child has a financial claim against BOTH parents.  Anything less forces
the responsibility for raising that child onto the state.  And I certainly
DON'T intend to pay to raise any children not produced by this taxpayer.

>You give away your true agenda with your third sentence in that paragraph:
>You're as much anti-sex as you are anti-abortion.

No, I am not anti-sex.  I don't encourage untrained divers to dive.  If
you want to dive, take the classes.  I don't encourage people to dive
without proper instruction any more than I encourage people to have sex
without committment to the child that may be produced (or the other factors,
but we ain't talking about those ...).  I am PRO-RESPONSIBILITY.  What a
radical concept.  You bring a child into this world, you take care of it.

If you aren't willing to accept that RESPONSIBILITY, don't take the ACTION
which produces the RESULT.  That the action is "sex" is incidental.  I don't
think that you will call me "anti-diving" for my telling you to keep your
stupid ass away from my SCUBA equipment.  I don't think you will call me
"anti-motorcycling" for telling you to keep your stupid ass away from my
motorcycle.

I suggest you learn how to use that penis, because your political views
indicate you are unaware of the results of indiscriminate use of said
contraption.  Squirting it in the direction of fertile women is not a
proper use ...
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