HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: "Raymond C. Luh" <luh@NAS.NASA.GOV>
Subject:      Toll-Free Numbers for PRC Stamps
Reply-To: "Raymond C. Luh" <luh@NAS.NASA.GOV>
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:15:03 -0700
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

OK, here is the info everyone has been waiting for.

The toll-free numbers following are for China Stamp Agency in North
America, which is the official agency for the distribution of all
postal issues of the People's Republic of China throughout North
America.  Note that in order to buy the stamps you want, you may
need to become a regular customer of the agency.  The nice thing
is that you will always pay only Face Value or the Official Post
Office Selling Price converted daily to equivalent U.S. Dollars.
A modest shipping, handling and insurance charge is added to each
shipment, which comes roughly five to six times a year at around
$5/shipment.  Another nice thing is that you get to receive all
philatelic issues from the PRC including Souvenir Sheets and, of
course, the Olympic issue that is being speculated by D/d-fighters
everywhere.

So here goes:

To place an order: 1-800-443-3232
For other info   : 1-800-443-4225
FAX number       : 1-800-628-3123

These toll-free numbers reachable from anywhere in the U.S. and Canada
between 8 AM and 5 PM, Monday-Friday, Mountain Time.

Good Luck. :-)


Ray
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: jzhang@sdcc3.UCSD.EDU
Subject: Re: Another way to calculate economic strength
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 19:44:42 PDT

Concerning the claims that China is number one in electricity production
and close to number one in steel production, here is information I
got from _World Almanac 1992_:

                 Electricity (bln. kwh.)   Crude Steel (million tons) 
China                537 (in 1988)          59.0 (in 1988)
U.S.                2781 (in 1988)          90.7 (in 1989)*

*Note that the U.S. produces less steel than Japan.

Zhenqin Li
From: jtrsmith@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Beijing Indifferent to Bill, but allure more to visit home
Date: 31 Jul 1992 17:09:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
Originator: jtrsmith@garnet.berkeley.edu

Subject: Beijing Indifferent to Protection Bill

>Disclaimer: The following is a forward.

>Xiong Bofu

=========================================================================

Beijing Indifferent to the Chinese Protection Bill

A source within the PRC Foreign Ministry has confirmed that the PRC
government is ready to accept the passage of the Chinese Protection
Bill, although the official line is still against the Bill.

AT THE SAME TIME, Beijing is expecting the US president to acknowledge
that it has been safe for the Chinese nationals to return to China since
June 4, 1989.  ALL 8,700 SUCH CASES HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO THE WHITE HOUSE.

TO ALLURE MORE CHINESE TO PAY HOME VISIT IN THE NEXT 12 MONTHES THE
THREE CHINESE AIRLINES FLYING THE USE ROUTE WILL ISSUE COUPONS REPRESENING
SAVINGS OF UP TO 35% TO THE TARGETED GROUP OF CHINESE MATIONALS.  THE
COUPONS WILL BE DISTRIBUTED VIA THE CHINESE CONSULATES.

==========================================================================
Trouble-makers Not Welcomed

[The original came with the first two paragraphs in garbage characters]

The major argument for taking the low profile is still [attracting]
the foreign investment, but two other concerns have been frequently
raised during the debate [in which the Prince Party seems to be winning]:

  (1)  The immigration quota wouldn't increase.  So for the same number
       of brains drained, it'd be better to let more trouble-makers stay
       abroad.

       As a Poliburo member put it, "anding tuanjie" is more
       important [than using a few more brains trained in the US].

  (2)  The passage of the Bill would significantly reduce the number of
       political asylum petitions [which has been considered to be more 
       damaging to the PRC government].

       The ground for political asylum has been strengthened by Deng's
       speech and the Dai Qing incident (the PRC government wants to
       keep the dissidents in exile).
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: SCIENCE@mitvma.mit.edu
Subject:      Maoist articles available
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:29:20 GMT


We have a free literature list, articles about Maoism in China, Peru
etc. E-mail us at science@mitvma.mit.edu

Can anyone tell us what happened to CSF?
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      Lix, you are resposible for the anonymous personal attack
Reply-To: UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 07:39:00 EDT

lix, nette, I reserve the legal right to sue the anonymous attack which posted
by Lix on china-net.                  Dawei Zhou, Florida
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: ding@cs.titech.ac.jp
Subject: test
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:41:06 GMT

Sorry. This is a test only.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: Dan_Jacobson@ATT.COM
Subject: Re: People who pursue democracy and human rights.
Organization: AT&T-BL, Naperville IL, USA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:55:56 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.china,soc.culture.taiwan
	<1992Jul10.032339.41437@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> <75692@ut-emx.uucp>
	<21JUL199215453762@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu>

>>>>> On 21 Jul 92 20:45:00 GMT, laiichung@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (L. D. ROPER) said:

L.> Even the most radical wing : Black Leppord Party , it just claim
L.> that it has the right of using force to protect Black people .

[You mean "the Black PANTHER Party".]
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: yu@kickapoo.ctr.columbia.edu (Yanbin Yu)
Subject: Re:      Re: The Protection Bill and MFN Bill
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:09:59 GMT
X-Posted-From: kickapoo.ctr.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Jul29.153834.21843@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> Weimin Shen <SHEN@JUNO.PHYSICS.WISC.EDU> writes:
>>From:	IN%"deng@BNLUX1.BNL.gov"  "D-P Deng" 28-JUL-1992 20:50:36.32
>>Subj:	The Protection Bill and MFN Bill
>
>>I noticed that some IFCSS GaoGan tried hard to manipulate CSS: show your
>>support for the MFN bill to your congresspersons, your congresspersons will
>>support the protection bill. What a naked show of low life!
>
>>...
>
>Would you please show your proof of above points WITH FACTS?
>
>I have no intention of provoking debates.  I just ask you to clarify something
>you said.
>
>Thank you.
>
>W. Shen


I got some observations about the (C)MFN bill, and hope to read some experts'
analysis on this issue in details. As Mr. Shen, I don't like debates,
but some good and sharp thinking.
I think this bill will help current government more than bring it down,
in some sense at least.
Because the possible punishment, which is not likely to materialised,
is only applied to to those government-run enterprises, and those 
enterprises are basically losing money or about to lose money.
These enterprises are literally the biggest burden of the state-budget.
The money is really people's money but noone really cares about it.
I don't know the exact figure, but it is seems to be more than several billion.
Now, however, the bill will put some pressure on them, at least nominally,
to force them change. The bill will have some positive influence on it,
at least Chinese people will not lose  a lot of money, if they switch to
somehow even "collective-run" bussiness.

Even Li Pen has somehow issued "decree" to change the "running-mechanism"
of those enterprises. Isn't that the similar purpose of the bill?

Why r there some guys out there who like to see government-run enterprises
biting the bread of 1.2 billion people, and r against to change them?


Thanks in advance.

YYB
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Another way to calculate economic strength
Date: 30 Jul 92 08:50:20 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Jul25.204108.10830@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>I meant not be manipulated by west and put China in disadvantagous position!

It's difficult (though not impossible) to manipulate currency exchange
rates for political purposes.  Currency exchange rates are set by the
open market, which are outside the control of most governments.

>Would it be a help to Russia if rubles were recognized by West?

The only person who needs to recognize a currency is the person who
you are exchange it for goods or services.  Right now, even people in
Russia don't recognize the ruble, it's almost like play money.  

>>1. no one will buy your products
>What if after inflation prductucts is still cheap!

If you have inflation and don't change your exchange rates, your
products will become expensive than they were before, which means that
fewer people will buy them before.

>what if when china has the best technology, would it be
>more advantagous to keep RMB non-covertable and inflate those technology's
>prices, which others have to buy. 

The problem here is that if you mess with exchange rates, you are not
only increasing the prices of that technology, but of everything else
China has to sell.  If you've got good technology which people want to
buy, then it's best if you try to make more money by just increasing
the price of that technology.  

>   Mexico can not be used as an example. The inflation was a result of 
>Government had to pay debt, inflation rate was extreamly hight too. (up to
>1000%).

The inflation and the debt problem were the RESULTS of the fact that
the Mexican government kept the exchange rates of the peso artifically
high for too long.  If the Mexican government had let the exchange
rate fall a little in the beginning, then the problems that Mexico had
wouldn't have been as serious as they were.

>The one who spent on defense close to as much as China' total GNP should
>go first. Before China think about "demiltarize space".

Everyone needs to cooperate.  It's not a matter of "you go first."
Besides, the U.S. isn't likely to go ahead with it's "SDI" program.
The U.S. economy can't afford it.  If the U.S. economy can't afford a
space military program, then there is no way the Chinese economy can.

>Chinese history told us. China's servival should not count anybody's
>"good will", "good faith", should count on ourselves including defence.

I'm not taking about "good will."  I'm saying that too many weapons
tend to decrease security, rather than increasing it.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Subject:      Forward for a nette
Reply-To: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:22:27 -0400
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

This is not my article. Lix.
===============================================

Dear Lix, I am wondering if you could forward the following reply
to the china-net(IFCSS net). I had difficulty sending messae through
to it. If possible, I would prefer an anonmous post.

Thanks a lot.

-------------------------beging messge------------------
|>Subject:      Question the background of Raymond Luh again!
|>To: Multiple recipients of list CHINA-NT <CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu>
|>Status: RO
|>
|>I, a PH.D, originally from China have questioned the background of raymond
|>Luh, I never got a answer. Therefore I question again the background of
|>Mr. raymound Luh. Do not be afraid to answer.   Dawei Zhou, Florida
|>

Sorry I couldn't answer the question by Mr. Zhou, since I know nothing
about that Mr. Raymound Luh.

However, this Mr. Zhou indeed raised an interesting question. Then, people
can't help asking a similir question to Mr. Zhou himself: what is your
background? A guy from Qinghua happens to know this Mr. Zhou and rleased
some info about him: this old man was very active during the Culture Revolution
at Qinghua University and tortured some innocent scholars. Mr. Zhou or any one
else with further knowledge may clarify this.

Hope this old man is not provoking another CR among CSS. From the articles this
 Mr. Zhou has posted on the net, one might get confused what he is really going
to do.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Subject:      Re:  IFCSS HQ Special Report 4011: Lobby Task Force to be Formed
Reply-To: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:03:05 -0400
Comments: cc: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

I, an old tireless talker, can't help jumping out again.

>I, the President of IFCSS, is organizing a nationwide Chinese
>Students and Scholars (CSS) Protection Bill Lobby Task Force

That is right move. I withdraw my kidding word "Thanks-Card-sending Pres".

>4.  The special banking account for donations has been set up.  All
    donations should be directly sent to: (see note )

        IFCSS CSS-Protection Account
        Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars (IFCSS)
        733 15th Street, N.W.,
        Suite 440,
        Washington, D.C.20005

This is wrong, too late. "The thank you Ms. Pelosi" President has set up
another account:

     Payable to: CCSA/Immigration Fund
     P.O. Box 65307, Washington DC, 20035-5307.

And this account is likely appearing on a famous news media in about 10
minutes, and that news media probably won't issue another package in a
few days. So, please call some guys to hold horse, till you two presidents
have a nice talk.

This is my fatherly advice. Good luck for green card!
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: Wu-Ling Zhao <wuling@S1.MSI.UMN.EDU>
Subject:      sign off
Reply-To: Wu-Ling Zhao <wuling@S1.MSI.UMN.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 10:41:30 CDT
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

SIGN OFF Wu-Ling Zhao
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: liu9yong@athena.mit.edu ()
Subject: Re: ?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 03:00:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.151610.12570@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> "NY." <yue@MOHLSUN.PHYSICS.UPENN.EDU> writes:
>
>    I don't understand one thing:
>        Why are there so many noises surfacing when someone steps
>forward and likes to serve for the CSS? Why is it so quiet when noone
>likes to do anything?
>    Is it true that some people just don't feel comfortable to see the
>CSS have a better(good ) future?

People make noise because they CARE! You blame CCP being corrupt and we don't
want those whose who supposedly represent us corrupt.

It's for your benefit! If you want to serve public, you simply have to take
it. Otherwise, go home and raise your own kids!
From: UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: A open letter to SVC of IFCSS
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:15:00 GMT
Reply-To: UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Organization: Indiana University

SVC, I, as a ordinary CSS, ask you to watch the new elected IFCSS president
action in this lobby work. I am questioning why he can not support the lobby
work of Zhao haiqing. lobby work is higher than any inner struggle. dawei zhou
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: CHENZI@CHES.CS.VIMS.EDU
Subject:      sign off
Reply-To: CHENZI@CHES.CS.VIMS.EDU
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:45:01 S
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

Sign off  from China-nt
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: HWANGK%VTCC1.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      Council Telecon
Reply-To: HWANGK%VTCC1.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:41:00 EDT

Dear Netters:
     The Council will hold its first teleconference on Aug.15.
     The agenda will be posted next week. HQ nomination will be dicussed
in it.
                                  Kai Hwang
From: yue@MOHLSUN.PHYSICS.UPENN.EDU (NY.)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: the bill
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:37:01 GMT
Reply-To: "NY." <yue@MOHLSUN.PHYSICS.UPENN.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University


    I received several messages saying the bill INDEED is S1216 instead of
HR3871. I was told by the HQ the day before yesterday it was HR3871.
    I guess(not very sure yet) Dr. Zhao and the people who sent me the
messages are right.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: CNEWS@conan.ie.orst.edu
Subject:      Re: suggestion to the council
Reply-To: CNEWS@conan.ie.orst.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:05:33 PDT
Comments: To: UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu, CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu

> Date:       Mon, 27 Jul 1992 08:34:00 EDT

> The time is urgent, I suggest council to nominate Zhao haiqing in charge
> the lobby work. All CSS know he has the experience and he is very resposible
> person to work on this. This is for all CSS. New HQ should support it. D.ZHOU
>
I agree with you to nominate ZHQ in charge the lobby work. But, some
important issues about the lobby account(s) still need to be clarified:

       Who is in charge of the CCSA (May Fourth?) account? ZHQ himself or
       a group of persons?
       How is the donation money spent?  Monthly financial report(s) should
       be REQUIRED to the public, at least to the donators. (Note: There
       exist no such report(s) to the public so far, at least I didn't see
       one).
       Is there any way the donators can check to see how the account(s)
       is operated properly and legally?

One of the two accounts, the CCSA account and the IFCSS lobby account,
MUST be elimiated (or not be used for this Protection Bill Lobby).
Up to today, it seems to me that there is no round table meeting to settle
down the account issue.  As I remember, the President elected in his campaign
speech promised that he would nominate ZHQ in charge of the lobby work.
Only one month past after 4da.  So, I think there is no problem about the
nomination you suggested above.

Well, let us see what will happen in the days to come.

ZK Xu
Oregon State University
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: YANG GUANG <G_YANG@HELIX.MGH.HARVARD.EDU>
Subject:      To those who think they are right
Reply-To: YANG GUANG <G_YANG@HELIX.MGH.HARVARD.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:54:00 EST
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

     For those who prepare to continue the debate, I want to
offer you a small clarification.

     Zhao Haiching did not make a mistake by signing as
IFCSS President.  The IFCSS 4 da passed a resolution ( I am
the author, and that's why I feel obligated to do this),
which states that there should be a month transition time
before President-elect takes over the office.  During this
period, current presidency remains effective.
From: liuz@ds20.scri.fsu.edu (Zhiping Liu)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Who has Judiciary Committee's number?
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:10:27 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.china
Distribution: usa
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

Dear Netters,

According to Yue of University of Penn., who called James Quilen's
office and got an advice that it's better to call the Judiciary Committee
now instead of Rule Committee. Because the Bill has not come out of
the Judiciary Committee yet and we don't know exactly what the Bill is. 
So it seems not reasonable to ask for a closed rule yet. 
The lobby group at 
Florida State University wants to call all the members of Judiciary
Committee, but we don't have their numbers yet. So please some people
post it on the China-Nt?


Zhiping Liu

Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: "Raymond C. Luh" <luh@NAS.NASA.GOV>
Subject:      Toll-free number for PRC stamps
Reply-To: "Raymond C. Luh" <luh@NAS.NASA.GOV>
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:36:51 -0700
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

Dear netters, since I posted the following message, I have been inundated
with e-mail requests for the toll-free number.  I will post that number
to china-nt tonight as I don't have it with me now.

Please do not send in any more e-mail requests.  Thank you.


Ray
--------------
>Dear netters,
>if any pro-democracy organization (not individuals)
>want to buy the '64' Olympic Stamp issued in China
>Please ask them to send their order to
>Hong Kong Alliance.
>Hong Kong Alliance got some limited quantities in stock before the
>speculators come into the market.
>Price: $2.00 (U.S.) per unit plus postage of  $20 U.S. per order by DHL
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Don't rush your order to HK.  There are plenty of stamp suppliers here
in the US that should satisfy your needs without paying the high
postage.  Anyone who is interested may contact me for a toll-free
number to order new PRC stamps close to their face values.


Ray
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|  Raymond C. Luh        |  So many deeds cry out to be done always urgently.  |
|  (415)-604-4494        |  The world rolls on.  Time presses.                 |
|  luh@ame.nas.nasa.gov  |  Seize the day.  Seize the hour.   --  Mao Zedong   |
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: Shusheng Luan <luan@OCE.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      Re:  The Openness of IFCSS Council - re: An Biweekly Unofficial
              (#10)
Reply-To: Shusheng Luan <luan@OCE.ORST.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:16:31 PDT
Comments: cc: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

Jinghong,

I did not ever see your public announcement about the mentioned email
meeting. I remember Ge Xun and Ding Jian followed the IFCSS Constitution
and Council Bylaws closely in making such announcement on china-nt.
Refer to both documents and then one might find out why Eddie Cheng
said so.

I don't appreciate putting the burden of openness of the Council meetings
on us ordinary CSS. If IFCSS Council really means to be open, it should
actively (not passively) keep its promisses.

Regards,

Luan Shusheng at Oregon State University
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: liu9yong@athena.mit.edu ()
Subject: Re:  Amendment to IFCSS Council Resolution CR4004
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 02:19:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.003754.11056@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> Jinghong Li <jli@AMSC01.ENGR.UDAYTON.EDU> writes:
>Dear china-net management committee,
>Dear whomever involved,
>
>Early today, there were mails came from lix and David Yuan respectively
>which in my view have nothing to do with this china-net, and have
>probably violated china-net rules.  In my opinion, such mails attacking
>a person's character based on their private mail exchanges should not
>be encouraged on china-net.  Like the CNMC has done in the past, I
>beleive proper warnings should be issued, and any repeated actions
>should be punished accordingly.
>
>Thank you for your attention.
>
>Jinghong Li
>
>U of Dayton.
You said "in my opinion", I wonder whether it is in YOUR opinion or in "china-
net management committe"'s opinion.

If it is in your opinion, it does not count a shit and you probably shouldn't
even post it to this group. If it is the committe's opinion, say so!

Or, am I understanding wrong? May be you alone are the china-net management
committe? In that case, I withdraw the above statment and apologize.

Have a good time censoring! (what's the new word for it? .... ahhhhhhhha,
moderating!)

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