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From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: N'western will win MNC
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:25:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA


>New Coachmeister Gary Barnett is installing an exciting, Miami-style
>(CANEZ R00L !!!!), pro-set offense, which should carry the Cats to 
>Pasedena (to meet the Fighting BEAVS !!) with no problems whatsoever.
>
>kaiser@rtsg.mot.com (Bradley G. Kaiser)

thanks for an entertaining post, brad.  it was even funny by itself,
let alone as a parody of valdis's southern cal woofing.  my only problem
is that my mental gears slipped on the phrase "cats to pasadena" . . .
i had to stop and think what that could mean.

honest!  i'm not making this up!

p.s.  i would LOVE northwestern to win the title, but i'm a realist.

ok
dpm
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From: jvbutera@grad07.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: Re: Bowl Records
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:15:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.123433.1@max.u.washington.edu> daytrpr@max.u.washington.edu writes:
>
>
>I've compiled some bowl statistics that I though everyone would like
>to look at.  One note, I COULD NOT FIND STATS FOR THE INDEPENDANTS, so
>you won't see Notre Dame, Penn State, etc.  If anyone has them, please
>feel free to post them or add to this!  Thanks.
>

OK, I'm studying Math, but is my math this bad:

>BEST % (Five or more Bowl Appearances)
>
>Florida St.    60%
>
>20 or more bowl appearances:
>
>Florida St.    20
>

To me, 20 (appearances) * 60% = 12 victories.  Am I wrong, or are they
missing below?

>MOST BOWL VICTORIES
>
>10.Washington  12
>   Auburn      12
>
>-Steve

Just curious....

-- 
Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu

DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers!
From: garys@cs.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Subject: Re: Schedule determines #1
Keywords: n
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:26:58 GMT

In article <65864@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>garys@cs.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith) wrote:
>}
>}The SWC (and Cotton, since the SWC runs the Cotton) offered to have the
>}SWC champ play in one of the other bowls if they were number 2 and it 
>}would make a 1-2 game.  The other bowls/conferences quickly axed that
>}measure as they didn't want to recipricate.
>
>Well, heck, after the writeups you Steers and Aggies have given the
>Cotton Bowl lately, can you blame them?  All I ever hear about that
>game is how miserable the weather is.(*)  Who wants to give up a trip
>to Miami or New Orleans for that?

Yup.  I still hold my statement that I would rather the SWC champ play in
the new Alamo Bowl.  San Antonio has better weather and much better 
touristi-type attractions for those pre-game celebrations.  With the bowl 
alliances, there's not much choice anymore, but using the old free-for-all 
and given a choice between going to Dallas, N'arlins or Miami I would have
definately not picked Dallas.  

>(*) Okay, this is not entirely true - I also hear about how Texas A&M
>    decimates Heisman trophy winners there (and everywhere).  BTW, can
>    one of you Aggies tell us real quick how Heisman trophy winner
>    Earl Campbell did against A&M?  Thanks in advance.

Don't forget Barry Sanders.  Now how many times have I said that?

- goober (gallagher iba lewis field) smith
From: garys@cs.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Gramm
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:32:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamsun.1992Aug20.143208.22508
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University

In article <Bt97zD.ELD@rice.edu> rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) writes:
>I couldn't resist posting the following, even though it has NOTHING to
>do with college football:
>
>Quoted from a UPI news article on Senator Phil Gramm:
>
>"	Gramm, who revealed that he failed the third, seventh and ninth
>grades before his mother spurred him on to a doctorate's degree in
>economics at Texas A&M University ... "
>
>Looks like Mr. Gramm got a lot of opportunities from A&M :)

Well, I was waiting to see if anyone else corrected this, but it doesn't 
look like anyone will, so I will...

Gramm did indeed reveal that he failed the third, seventh and ninth grade.
He might have even flunked some of his college classes, but you would have
to look at his University [sic] of Georgia transcripts to find out.  After
graduating there with both undergrad and grad degrees, he worked at A&M for 
15 or so years as an economics professor.  Then he went into politics.

- goober (gramm sorta looks like a goober poster child) smith
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From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: Winless teams (All Divisions), 1991
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 05:48:47 GMT

Div. IA
-------------------------------
Oklahoma St         0-10-1



Div. IAA
-------------------------------
Prarie View A&M     0-11-0



Div. II
_______________________________
Augustana (SD)      0-10-0
Cheyney St.         0-11-0
Fayetteville St.    0-10-0


Div. III
-------------------------------
St. John Fisher     0-9-0
North Park          0-9-0
Curry               0-9-0
Amherst             0-7-1
Bates               0-7-1
Jersey City St.     0-9-1
Oberlin             0-9-1
Marietta            0-10-0
Claremont-Mudd      0-9-0
Chicago             0-10-0
Blackburn           0-9-0
Duquesne            0-9-0

PDunn
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: More Apple Cup stuff!!
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:31:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera) wrote:
}
}                        (Hmm - is the CU-CSU game record imbalanced?)

Would you believe 48-15-2?  

I'm not sure this is even close enough to be called PDSP.

Perhaps we should define a whole class of frequent opponents:

Opponent Winning %      Classification          Example
=====================================================================
35-50%                  Rival                   Ohio State - Michigan
                                                Oregon - Oregon State
                                                Auburn - Alabama
                                                Texas - Oklahoma
                                                etc.

25-34%                  Punch Drunk             Washington State to Washington
                        Sparring Partner        Colorado State to Colorado
                                                Vanderbilt to Tennessee
                                                etc.

25-34%                  Uppity PDSP             Clemson to Georgia Tech
(but ~50% recently)                             Texas A&M to Texas
                                                etc.

10-24%                  Hapless Victim          Navy to Notre Dame
                                                West Virginia to Penn State
                                                South Carolina to Georgia
                                                San Jose State to Kal
                                                Oklahoma State to Oklahoma
                                                etc.

0-9%                    Humble Servant,         Florida State to Georgia Tech
                        Lapdog Toady            Virginia to Clemson
                                                Boston College to Penn State
                                                Memphis State to Tennessee
                                                etc.
( :-), for the humor impaired. )
From: rcsaito@cs.washington.edu (Richard Saito)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Schedule determines #1
Date: 15 Aug 92 00:35:00 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <Bsvs18.B9G@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson) writes:
>
>
>>In article <1992Aug11.143529.27749@afit.af.mil> jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer) writes:
>>>tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>What about the bowl game.  If washington and A&M go thru a soft schedule
>>>>undefeated, but then play a team with a 'tough' schedule like Miami/FSU?/...
>>>>and beat them, I think they have proven themselves.  Who did BYU play the
>>>>year they won the MNC in the bowl game?  Did they have a chance to prove
>>>>themselves there?
>>>
>>>That one is a pretty sore subject with UW fans.  BYU beat a pretty weak
>>>Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl that year (84?).  BYU won the MNC
>>>simply because they were undefeated--no attention was given to their
>>>relatively weak schedule.  Washington thumped Oklahoma (who was no. 1 or
>>>2 at the time) in the Orange bowl and finished no. 2.
>
>That makes it a little tougher when one team has a tough schedule with one
>loss and one has a easy schedule with no losses!  This has been hashed out over
>and over, but I feel that no losses is worth quite a bit.  I would think that
>it would be difficult to stay up for every game.  I know that the SWC
>is not the top conference, but I think the schedule would be more of a medium
>schedule as aposed to a weak schedule.  Plus, with the bowl alignment, and
>before the alignment since the cotton bowl only has one lock, TAMU could end
>up with a stronger opponent.
>
>How did BYU manage to get a (6-5??) Michigan team instead of a higher ranked
>team?  Were they all locked into something else?  If the bowl didn't invite
>a better team, it sounds like chicken all over again, if they invited better
>teams, but got turned down because of the weakness of BYU, then I guess the
>other 'stonger' teams got what they deserved.
>

Simple, the WAC champion goes to the Holiday Bowl, and most good teams
would rather go to one of the big 5, since they offer much more $$.

Richard

-- 
-Richard
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From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: The difference between IA and IAA
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 05:23:57 GMT

A few posts back, someone came to the defense of IAA teams, saying that the
reason why they lost by such large margins was partly due to the site of he
game, which is almost always at a IA stadium.  This is a good point, but I
would say that the biggest reason why good IAA teams cannot play with, say the
bottom half of the top-25, is a lack of depth caused by fewer athletic
scholoarships.  IAA teams have something like 20 fewer scholarships; hence,
fewer quality athletes.

As evidence, I would point out that it is usually not until the second half of
these games between good IAA teams and reasonably good that things really get
out of hand, again, I would say, because of the lack of depth.  In the last few
years, Georgia Southern, Marshall, Furman, and some other very good IAA teams
have pressed NC State, Florida State, Auburn, and some other respectable IA
teams into having to play football in the second half of games.  In the second
half, there just aren't replacements for players that are exhausted.  IAA teams
probalby have some athletes that are as good as those as athletes on the IA
teams that they are playing.  They just don't have as many, or enough.

How good are the top five IAA teams?  I would say they are probably competitive
with any team not in the IA top 40.  Certainly better than any team not in the
top 80.  Against teams in the top 40, they are almost certainly going to lose.

PDunn
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Buckeye News
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:09:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: desire.1992Aug19.140942.3621
Distribution: usa
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Aug18.173849.17996@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ddn@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.d.nason) writes:
> Joe Metzger, projected starting TE for the Buckeyes, went down yesterday
> with a broken leg after turning to catch a pass (no contact injury).
> He underwent surgery and will reportedly be back in the Syracuse/Wisconsin
> timeframe.  That leaves the TE duty to Cedric Saunders and two 1st year
> freshman.

	Cedric Saunders was the starter last year, and Metzger was #1 on the
depth chart because Saunders ran track this spring.  I wouldn't worry too much
about depth at this position unless Saunders gets hurt too.

> On another note, it was reported that Bo Schembechler will be doing the
> play-by-play along with somebody else (Dan Dierdorf?) for the OSU-Bowling Green
> game.  I pray to the gods that my tickets come through so I won't have to
> listen to that.

	Listen to the Buckeye Radio Network instead.  It's a lot better than
listening to TV types :).

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From: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Subject: Re: Net Trash on Bama & Miss. St.
Reply-To: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:35:48 GMT

In article <Bsvs5s.MDv@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett) writes:
>mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell) writes:
>
>
>>>>> From Jason.
>>>>>                          Trivia Contest
>>>>>
>>>>>What major football University have the most athletes arrests?  
>
>>    Couldn't be Miami.  Their football players and students are models of
>>discipline and self-control.  Oh, you said "major"?  Sorry.
>
>Miami gets every problem amplified.  The same is true on ND. The rules are
>different for Miami and ND.  If a player gets a parking ticket, someone would
>want the player suspeneded for it.  Last year Miami got 30-60 threads on
>Patton over the fradulent use of a credit card.  Arizona State Sun-Devils
>has two players that did the same thing not one word about it on r.s.f.c.

    Well, it does go with the territory.  If you're on top everybody
is looking at you.  But, I must say I've seen it all now.  A Miami
fan,  and especially you Jason, identifying with the fighting
Frenchmen.  Why, you even mentioned Miami and ND in the same
sentence without being deragatory.  My my.

>>>> So...what's your point here. These are athletes not saints.....
>
>>    Don't cloud the issue with facts!
>
>What is the fact Guy.  You didn't like the fact that I posted some problems
>on your Bama team. Now that's the fact.  Well it's a every day thing if Bama
>ever gets back to the Dynasty days.  It's not what you do, it's how good you
>are.

    The fact is that these guys (including your beloved canes) are
students, not saints as stated plainly above.  It matters little to
me that you posted something about David Palmer except that you were
using it, as I said, to shift attention.  Palmer's incident is quite
public and Stallings is under close scrutiny to see what he will do.
Also, we don't have to wait until "Bama ever gets back to the
Dynasty days" as indicated by how quickly you grabbed the Palmer
incident.  People still shoot at Alabama, from the treatment of
Curry to the hiring of Stallings to the perceived notion that all of
us are waiting for Bear Bryant to be reincarnated, all because of
the long history of excellence we have.  It has been some time since
we won the MNC but, as you see, Bama fans aren't the only ones who
remember when.  Miami might just sustain their dominance long enough
to find this out but only time will tell.

>>    All he was doing is all that he is always doing.  Trying to
>>muddy the issue and shift negative attention away from Miami.  Kinda
>>like a bunch of kids saying, "Oh yeah, well look at what so and so
>>did.  I'm not so bad after all."
>
>True. Just like your are shifting off Bama and back to Miami.  

    I mentioned no incidents regarding Miami in my post.  My point
is proven more and more with every line.

--
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From: atchison@lagoon.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison)
Subject: Buckeye QB (WAS Re: Buckeye News)
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:17:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.162223.6481@rtsg.mot.com> gatchall@rtsg.mot.com (Scott W. Gatchall) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.135353.28120@cis.ohio-state.edu> atchison@lagoon.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison) writes:

>>Yep.  Herbstreit has been named the starter.  IMO, this is a good move.  
    			[ pro-Herbie deleted]

>Nothing personal, Mark, but it's this attitude that IMO is killing this program.
>I mean, they've gotta get the guy in there who's gonna have time to 'gel'
>and take root at QB.  Seeing limited off/on playing time doesn't make
>Herbstreit a veteran.  Don't get me wrong.  I'm not knocking Herbstreit.
>He's definitely talented. No doubt about it ... but in the last decade,
>OSU hasn't 'molded' a QB and given him stability from the time he hit campus
>(with the exception of possibly Tomczak).  I hate to allude back to Art
>Schlichter again, but that guy was a perfect example.  After seeing
>Hoying play in the state tourney a couple years ago, I have to stick
>to my guns and say, "This is the man." .... although we both know it
>won't make a damn bit of difference. :)

Oh, I agree that Hoying will be (and possibly is) a better QB than Herbstreit.
I didn't say we had to play Hoying any this year (did he redshirt last year?).
Either way, he would begin next year with 3 full years.  He can take root
in '93 as well as he could in '92 (as long as you don't mind waiting another
year ;^) ). But for _this_ season, I believe Herbstreit is the best choice.
He is certainly more veteran than Hoying.

Unfortunately it'll never pan out this way.  No doubt Coop will yank Kirk at
the first opportunity, and short-sightedly waste a year of Hoying's eligiblity
on 2 or 3 quarters.

Finally, my biggest point was that, regardless of whether or not it was the
right choice, at least it was made at the start of practice.  I can't think of
anything that would be (and probably was in '91) more detrimental to a team's
preseason -- and in-season, for that matter -- preparation than to not know who
is gonna be taking snaps.  This way the debate occurs where it should...
between the fans, instead of between linemen.

GO BUCKS!!!
-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
            Mark Atchison, a.k.a. <atchison@cis.ohio-state.edu>
Computer Science Dept, THE Ohio State University (NOT an Ohio State University)
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From: quangl@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Quang Le)
Subject: Re: UPI/NFF Top 25 Preseason Poll
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:03:30 GMT

In article <78160@ut-emx.uucp> pokey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Vince Rhee) writes:
>
>Here is the preseason UPI/NFF Top 25 poll for the upcoming college
>football season as reported in today's _Houston Chronicle_:
>
> 1. Miami	(52)
> 2. Washington	(29)
> 3. Notre Dame	( 5)
> 4. Fla. St.	( 1)
> 5. Michigan	
> 6. Florida	( 3)
> 7. Alabama
> 8. Penn St.
>* 9. Texas A&M
>*10. Syracuse	( 1)
>*11. Oklahoma	
>12. Nebraska
>13. Iowa
>14. Colorado
>15. Georgia
>16. Clemson
>17. Stanford
>18. UCLA
>19. California
>20. Ohio St.
>21. Tennessee
>*22. Miss. St.
>23. Virginia
>24. USC
>25. Ga. Tech
>

So bad! Texas is not in Top 25.  But if it beats Texas A&M, Syracuse,
Oklahoma, Miss. St. and Miami or Notre Dame in Cotton Bowl can it be
MNC 1992? :-))
An inquiry mind want to know. 

>
>-- 
>                Vince Rhee |
>  pokey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | ...and I would have gotten away with it, too,
>         Department of ECE | if it hadn't been for those meddling kids!
>       University of Texas |


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From: black@jazz.concert.net (Rob Black)
Subject: Respect for NC State  (was NCSU's chances against Iowa)
Organization: Center for Communications, MCNC; RTP, NC
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:13:24 GMT

>In article #17477 Marc Tremblay (tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU) writes:

>> By the way, NCSU was #26 in the polling for the top 25. No respect.

>>>Respect has to be earned...

OK, now I'm not one of these blind State fans who gets on here and talks
about doing great things like upsetting Florida State, BUT I do think we
are underrated.

We went 9-3 last year and have 3 proven QB's coming back along with most
of our defensive and offensive backfields. Dick Sheridan has taken us to
bowls 5 of his 6 years here and the last 4 in a row. Our last 2 bowl wins
were over none other than Iowa and a Southern Mississippi team which had
beaten Alabama and Auburn that year.

On the basis of this plus the fact that we're cosistently finishing in the
top half of the ACC, I would definitely rate NC State as a Top 25 team
year in and year out. Having said that I do realize that this ranking should
definitely be around 17 or 18. We are not in the top ranks of football
programs (Fla. St, Miami, Penn St.) nor will we ever be. I do think though
that under Sheridan we can be a consistent 12 or 13 team with a couple of
Top 10's and maybe even a Cinderella season a la Geogia Tech in 1990.

With this year's hard schedule but solid team I think you can look for 8-4
or 9-3 from the Pack. That record against our schedule ought to get us
into maybe the Gator or Hall of Fame bowl. Wouldn't it be cool State fans,
to play Penn St. in the Blockbuster?? We owe them a couple. ( Long time
Pack followers will know exactly what I mean.)


Rob Black               black@concert.net             Raleigh, NC

           1988            1989             1990               1991
    NCSU-48  UNC-3     NCSU-40 UNC-6    NCSU-12  UNC-9      NCSU-24  UNC-7

               "The tradition continues........."

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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: Who do you think will win it all??
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:04:25 GMT

Mark Mitchell writes:

>}A series with Miami just ended.

>Who ended that series, anyway?   ;->

I think Tulsa stepped in.  They got mad at Notre Dame for having a golden dome
and mad at Miami for being the Hurricanes.

     - Pat
.
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