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From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Royalty and probability
Date: 9 Jan 93 17:45:36 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:

>I read a book about the roots of the Capetians, the 3rd races
>of Kings of France (after Merovingians and Carolingians).

>You read book AAA.  It said parents of PERSON are F1 and M1.
>Then, you read book BBB, which gives parents as F2 and M2.
>And one more book CCC, giving parents F3 and M2 (this time, the same
>mother as another source).  Years after, you re-read book AAA.

>If you don't keep track of all hypothesis, you have all persons floating
>around with no relation.  When you find some new data, you have to
>keep some paper or note about this in a not-structured fashion.
>But, isn't it best to have it managed at the same place as the
>more solid part of the tree?

NO, not in my opinion. What good is guessing at guessing? Why not simply leave 
the unknown for what it is. If I can't prove the connection, however tenous 
the actual genetic connection may be, I will leave such genealogy to the 
writers of fictional family histories.

It is bad enough doing genealogy when one knows has supporting documents, let 
alone guessing at probability of unknown facts. It stretches fun a bit too 
far into never-never land.

fred
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From: tpgwr@sru002.chvpkh.chevron.com (Paul Wright)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: WRIGHT
Keywords: WRIGHT
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:10:37 GMT
Reply-To: tpgwr@sru002.chvpkh.chevron.com (Paul Wright)
Organization: Chevron CEPS


  I would be interested in hearing from anyone researching the family name of 
WRIGHT from Indiana, specifically around Edinburgh,In. area.

  Also looking for some ideas of how to find onfo on my great-grandfather 
born in either Michigan or Indiana in April of 1859. Have marriage info (says 
he was born in MI) death record says IN and census of 1880 says IN. Have had 
no luck with 1870 or earlier. Living relatives don't know either.

Paul Wright
tpgwr@sru002.chvpkh.chevron.com
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: stark@dms.agames.com (Gary Stark)
Subject: Genealogy program wanted...
Organization: Atari Games Corporation
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:42:41 GMT

I'm looking for a recommendation of a good MAC genealogy program.  I'm
currently using PAF on a PC and, although I've definitely got my money's worth 
with PAF over the years, I find it somewhat limiting with regards to it's
inability to use different screen modes and it's lack of flexibility when
generating reports.  I know PAF is available on the PC, but I understand it's
even worse (always a version behind).  I'd ***REALLY*** like to find a program
that can incorporate graphics (digitized photos) into the database, but I won't
hold my breath on that one.  Last of all, it must be GEDCOM compatible.  Any
help is most appreciated...
							Gary Stark
							stark@agcvax.agames.com
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 10:30:05 EST
Reply-To:     Suzanne Badenhop <AHCSBB@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
From:         Suzanne Badenhop <AHCSBB@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      1992 IGI Microfiche

Are the readers aware that the 1992 IGI microfiche version is now
available at the local Family History Centers.  I was pleasantly
surprised to learn this last week.  The CD-ROM version will be
available to local centers in about two months according to the
local person in charge.

I found many new names listed.  If you are searching for family
names at a FHC these days, the microfiche are more up to date than
the computer versions.
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:08:53 -0600
Reply-To:     Cliff Manis <cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM>
From:         Cliff Manis <cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM>
Organization: CompSofTech, POB 33937, San Antonio, Texas 78265-3937
Subject:      What is the LINES-L Mailing List ? ? ?
Comments: To: Genealogy Information <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU>

  Today, I have received several messages, asking about the LINES-L
  Mailing List, and here are a few answers.

  It is for the users of the LifeLines Genealogical Database, and
  LifeLines only works on a Sun 3/4 or Xenix386.....


                About the LINES-L Mailing List ! ! !

  LINES-L will serve as a vehicle for topics related to the enhancement
  of "LifeLines Genealogical Database and Report Generator".  LifeLines
  is an experimental, second-generation Genealogical system.

  LINES-L is for the exchange of information, reports, programming hints,
  ideas and also an electronic newsletter about the LifeLines Genealogy
  program which works only on these Operating Systems:

              UNIX (Sun3/4) and Xenix386.

  Dr. Thomas T. Wetmore IV is the author of LifeLines Database.


   TO SUBSCRIBE TO LINES-L

   Send the e-mail to Listserv@Vm1.NoDak.Edu

   with the following command in the BODY of the mail (NOT the subject):


      SUB LINES-L your full name
   Eg.
      SUB LINES-L Cliff Manis

  After you SUBSCRIBE, you may send a message.

  You may send a message to all subscribed to the list by sending mail to a
  special address:  LINES-L@vm1.nodak.edu
       or           lines-l@vm1.nodak.edu

     (  Uppercase or lowercase makes no difference  )

PLEASE, PLEASE note this:

When you SUB to the list, please send the msg to: LISTSERV@vm1.nodak.edu

Inquires regarding the LifeLines program should be sent to the author:
    Author:       Dr. Thomas T. Wetmore IV      <ttw@petrel.att.com>

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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Sat, 9 Jan 1993 08:51:53 -0600
Reply-To:     Marilyn Brien <brien@TENET.EDU>
From:         Marilyn Brien <brien@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: An Interesting Catalog of Books
Comments: To: "Tom Cunningham, Computer Science Department" <TPC@iup.bitnet>
Comments: cc: Multiple recipients of list ROOTS-L <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU>

Yes, Tom, your time was well spent.  THANKS A BUNCH! Marilyn in San
Antonio, Texas with roots in WVA,NC,VA.
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:33:30 CST
Reply-To:     "Richard A. Ensminger" <ensmingr@STL-07SIMA.ARMY.MIL>
From:         "Richard A. Ensminger" <ensmingr@STL-07SIMA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      Searching in Indian Territory
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NODAK.EDU

Good morning--

In answer to Rick Kitchen's question about "adopted whites" in Indian
Territory, it has to be "no".

The Territory was made up of the various reservations at that time,
but the reservations did not cover every inch of the land. There was
a great deal of unoccupied land.

The Indian tribes may or may not have permitted whites on their
reservation lands, as friends, traders, relatives, etc. And they may
have recorded them, like the Cherokees on their Freedman's Rolls.

Besides these 'tolerated' intruders were those who were unwelcome,
perhaps, but there nonetheless. Since there was no civil authority
besides the Federal Government, Indian Territory became a haven for
every criminal or fugitive who could make it there and survive. Only
Federal marshalls (usually out of Fort Smith, Arkansas) had
jurisdiction in I. T. Those motion pictures about John Wayne as the
marshall in "True Grit" were based, however loosely, on that situation.

Some of the more widely known outlaws routinely crossed over, or
lived on land within the territory, such as the Younger brothers and
Belle Starr at "Youngers Bend" on the Canadian River or remnants of
William Quantrill's band.

Then there were the squatters and the "sooners" trying to claim
choice parcels of land before the land was opened in the great land
rushes.

Indian Territory may have been mysterious, but it was certainly full
of activity, both Indian and non-Indian!

I don't know if that answers your question or not. It might tease
your curiosity, though!

Have fun--it is a facinating area!

Rich
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Subject: Re: Genealogical databases
Organization: National University of Singapore
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:24:32 GMT

mmjjmm@post.its.mcw.edu (Michael Malloy) writes:
\: -- 
: Michael J. Malloy
: Medical College of Wisconsin           Truth is a Virus
: mmjjmm@post.its.mcw.edu
: 
Truth is NOT a virus. Joshi is a virus and it took me all night to get rid
of it (her?)

Richard Pennell
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:46:34 EST
Reply-To:     Paul_Quintin@DGC.CEO.DG.COM
From:         Paul_Quintin@DGC.CEO.DG.COM
Subject:      French Regiment Records
Comments: To: roots@APEX19.ceo.dg.com

Message:
     Greetings, fellow ROOTers.... I am trying to locate military
records for an ancestor. He was in the 'Compagnie de Langloizerie',
and was sent to Montreal around 1692-95. I have records referring to
him as being in the regiment, but nothing confirming it. Are there
any reference books that list French Military personnel?
     Any help would be appreciated.
     Also, would I be able to locate him through some sort of
passenger records? I am not sure if military ships help passenger
lists.
     Thanks in advance.
Paul Quintin.
.
*QUINTIN, BUSHEY, ROSE, VEZINA, and numerous others!
     (Vermont, Quebec, France).
Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.
Date: Tuesday, 12 Jan 1993 20:24:48 EST
From: Matt Adair <MLADAIR@MTUS5.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: 1992 IGI Microfiche
 <EGGERTJ.93Jan12153617@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu>

Its states on the CD-ROM disc that the info is that same as the
19xx version on microfiche.  Right now, our library has 1988 ROMS
and the 1992 fiche.  I can't wait 'till they get the 1992 ROMS.

- Matt Adair    mladair@mtus5.cts.mtu.edu

Searching: ADAIR, BAUSERMAN, BRADLEY, BROADHEAD, CARD, CARTER
           GARDNER, GLASSMIRE, GOETSCH, MCWILLIAMS, O'TOOLE
           OWEN, PERRY, SISCO, WARREN
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: pkteagarden@bobcat.lmc.edu (Phil Teagarden)
Subject: Re: Counting Chromosomes
Organization: Lees-McRae College, Banner Elk, NC
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:23:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.040114.2993@cbnews.cb.att.com> jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:

>Hi all,

>With the tremendous help of computer networks in this field, I've managed
>to extend my family tree back more than twenty generations. That's got me
>to thinking: just how much I have in common genetically with someone, say,
>5 or more generations back? Of the 23 chromosomes I got from my father,
>and 23 from my mother only 11-12 on the average come from each of my four
>grandparents. Likewise, ~6 from great grandparents, ~3 from g-g grandparents,
>~1.5 from g-g-g gp, ~0.7 from g-g-g-g gp. So only six generations back it's
>likely that I'll have NO genes from several ancestors in that generation.

>Am I figuring this out right?

>Anyway, what I'd like to see is a table of how many chromosomes one could
>expect to have in common with a sibling, parent, Nth cousin Mth removed,
>etc. Does such a thing exist?

>---
>Joe Knapp   jmk@cbvox.att.com


I think you should be counting genes--not chromosomes.  The reason is that 
chromosomes cross-over randomly during gametogenesis.  Therefore 
it would be extremely difficult to calculate exact inheritance.  
                                             ^^^^^
Mathematically speaking it works like this:  You have approx. 1/2 of the 
GENES of your parents and 1/4 of your grandparents, 1/8 of your great 
grandparents.  A little calculation will soon reveal that after about 8 or 9 
generations, you aren't much of them anymore!  This is good because sexual 
reproduction makes sure that (evolutionarily speaking) this VARIATION 
insures our survival! 

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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 10:08:34 PST
Reply-To:     lane@ELWOOD.ENET.DEC.COM
From:         lane@ELWOOD.ENET.DEC.COM
Subject:      re: Elements of the perfect genealogical software
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Without quoting the half-dozen or so messages on this topic, I thought
I'd add some comments. In my opinion, genealogy database and software
should:

  * be able to handle names, dates and places in whatever form the user
    wishes. Requiring a user to always enter dd mmm yyyy is an mechanism
    for moving labor from the programmer to the user.

  * have a variety of record types to handle such things as given name,
    married name, nick name, place holder name, estimated name, changed
    name, etc.

    This extends to records for father, step father, adopted father,
    wife, partner, mate, etc.

  * always be in a format such that a reasonably knowledgeable person can
    fix the inevitable problems. Keeping the database in editable format
    (like GEDCOM) is an example.

  * allow any type of entry numbering scheme the user wishes to use.

  * allow the presence of entries not related to anyone else in the
    database.

  * allow a single database to contain both descendants and ancestors.

  * allow multiple databases with multiple links between database
    entries. VERY IMPORTANT. Every genealogy program I know of save
    one puts all entries in a single file. This is like not having
    subdirectories in your computer account.

  * allow multiple marriages (or partnerships)

  * predict dates of birth and marriage and pass this information
    on to the indexing portion of the package.

  * look for obvious data entry mistakes like computed age = 144 years,
    birth of 1st child at age 4, married to mother, etc.

  * allow single picture files (or other documents) to be attached to
    multiple entries.

  * have a GOOD indexing program that includes not only numbered entries
    but individuals referenced in supporting documents. Witnesses, partners
    in deeds, etc.

  * have a variety of reference records to cite sources, etc.

Mickey.
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Earls - Morris - Tow(e) - Harris - Gardner - Lear - McCoy Surnames
From: "Barbara Lighthizer,MAC,Otolaryngology" <lighthiz@OHSU.EDU>
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:09:13 -0600
Reply-To: "Barbara Lighthizer,MAC,Otolaryngology" <lighthiz@OHSU.EDU>
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I am looking for information on the MORRIS, EARLS, TOW(E), HARRIS, LEAR
GARDNER AND McCOY surnames - my mothers side of the family.  Morris came from
Missouri; Earls from Ohio, Oklahoma and Missouri; Tow(e) from Tennessee,
Kentucky and Missouri; Harris  from Kentucky, North Carolina and Missouri;
Gardner from Kentucky and North Carolina; and McCoy from North Carolina. I
have no information about LEAR except the name and that she married a TOW(E)
about 1835, probably in Tennessee.  I would appreciate any information you may
have.
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:55:20 MST
Reply-To:     Joe Price <price@PHYSICS.ISU.EDU>
From:         Joe Price <price@PHYSICS.ISU.EDU>
Subject:      Repeat messages (fwd)
Comments: To: roots-l distribution <roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu>

I am receiving the repeated messges also.

What is going on?

>
>       Today I received several messages which began with a heading  that
> began with a message   Mail Server full not sent  or  something to that
> affect.   The message is given and it is a message that I received 2 or 3
> days before.  Are others having this problem?
>
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: cel@nsscmail.att.com (clayton EDward LEIHY iii)
Subject: Re: Recipient mailbox is full. Returning message to sender
Followup-To: soc.roots
Summary: Here's the Subject line I was talking about.
Organization: NCR Systems Support Center - New Jersey
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:14:08 GMT

Anybody else getting messages you read previously (like last week?)
with the subject line as above?

Mine appears to be only on soc.roots.  Is this a (mal)function of ROOTS-L?

Ed
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much)
Subject: Re:      Eponymous names
Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:47:26 GMT

In article <01GTFE3CFSQA9GVQ8E@macalstr.edu> "C. Norman" <NORMAN@MACALSTR.EDU> writes:
>I found out over the weekend that I have a ggg grandfather named Govenor [sic]
>Shelby Atkins, b. 1810.  Never heard of him until Saturday.  My guess, given
>his residence in Indiana, where there is a Shelbyville, is that he was named
>after Governor Isaac Shelby, first governor of Kentucky, 1792-96, 1812-16.
>
>How common was it in the 19th century to vive people such eponyms?  William
>Faulkner's Colonel Sartoris Snopes comes to mind as a prototype from fiction,
>but my impression is that it was fairly common.

Yes, it was quite common.  In my WOODRUFF line, some of the children
born in the 1830s were Pinckney (named for Charles Pinckney, a
senator--I think--from South Carolina), Thomas Patton (wish I knew who
he was), and Judge ----- (always called 'Uncle Judge'; nobody
remembered his middle name).  In the next generation, T.P. WOODRUFF's
children included another Charles Pinckney, Edward Beauregard, and
Patrick Cleburne.  All of these folks were Southern notables, not kin
to the WOODRUFFs as far as we know.  I guess the only real parallel
with your Govenor Shelby ATKINS is Judge ----- WOODRUFF, but I have
heard of southerners named General, Senator, Doctor, Prince, Duke, and
Earl (for the title, not the given name).  I think there were lots of
'President Roosevelt -------s' in the 1930s, particularly in the black
community. 
------------------
Seeking ACTON, BAILEY, BALL, BEALE, BEAUMAN (BEAUMIER), BILLINGTON,
BOBO, BRAKE, BRITTAIN (BRITTON), CALVERT, COLSTON, CORGAN (CORRIGAN),
EVERENDEN (EVERDEN, EVENDEN, EVERNDON), FERREE (FERIE, FIERRE, FIRE,
FIERE), GRIFFIN, HARM, HARWAR, HEWITT, KENNERLY, LEATHERWOOD, LEE,
LEFEVRE, McCARTY, McQUEAD, MUCH, MURFIN, MUSGROVE, PILGRIM (PILGRAM),
POPE, SAUERWEIN, SONTAG, TARRANT, TAVERNER, TERRY, UNDERWOOD,
WAREMBOUR (de WARENBUR), WEGMAN, WOODRUFF, YERBY.





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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:00:48 -0600
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Subject:      For Linda Jones
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 8:25:49 -0600 (CST)
From: F_GRIFFITH@CCSVAX.SFASU.EDU
Subject: property value adjustment
To: jones@hg.uleth.ca
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  Did you ever get figures to adjust the 1850 property values (question
on ROOTS last June)?  I just ran across the printout of it which I had
stuck back meaning to see if I could help.
  I have found some back price index figures in Historical Statistics of
 the United States wich I could splice into more recent indexes if you
haven't already gotten them.
  Do you have any connection to Joneses in NE Arkansas, SE Missouri, or
Tennessee?  Or to Willis Green Jones or J. H. Jones who came to Boston
from Ireland in early 1800s?
                         Reynolds
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Date:         Sun, 10 Jan 1993 09:17:58 -0600
From:         Cliff Manis <cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM>
Organization: CompSofTech, POB 33937, San Antonio, Texas 78265-3937
Subject: GENEALOG: New File: CHEROKEE Indian Information
Comments: To: Genealogy Information <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU>

I have just uploaded the following GENEALOG file:


  GENEALOG Cheroke1      Cherokee Indian Info part 1      47332 bytes


This new - file is available now.    See end of this message for
a description of the file.

GENEALOG is an area on the LISTSERV computer which is used for storage
of many, many textual files which pertain to genealogy.

You may request a listing of the file be mailed to you by simply
sending the following line to: LISTSERV@vm1.nodak.edu as the only
text of a message.

/files roots-L

It normally only takes about ten minutes for the LISTSERV computer to
reply, sending you a message with the entire listing of files.

(Please note, there is NO SPACE between the slash and the word files)

You may pick & choose the filenames of interest and to request
a file just simply send the following line back
to: LISTSERV@vm1.nodak.edu as the only text of a message.

GET GENEALOG filename

   (please replace the "filename" with the filename of interest)


>> GENEALOG File:  cheroke1
>>
>> VAX2.UTULSA.EDU!MES Fri Jan  8 16:17:26 1993
>> MES@VAX2.UTULSA.EDU (MELODIE SANDERS)
>> Cherokee research file for GENEALOG

  The above file is Part 1 of a three-part posting on Cherokee Indians.
  The first two-parts will be a article which will try to give an
  overview of Cherokee Indian history and some tips for searching
  Cherokee genealogy.

  The third part will be a selected bibliography of what I consider
  the major sources for researching the Cherokee.

        Melodie Sanders         Internet: MES@VAX2.UTULSA.EDU
        Serials Cataloger/Reference Librarian
        University of Tulsa (Oklahoma)

Thanks to Melodie for sending me the file, and if anyone has a good
file for GENEALOG, please mail it to me direct.

    Cliff
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