From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Men Getting Pregnant... (was: Nadja...)
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:50:33 GMT

Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org> writes:

>allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes...
>AW> Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org> writes:

>AW> >NA> If men got pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.

>AW> >IF MEN COULD GET PREGNANT, WE WOULD *KEEP* OUR CHILDREN!

>AW> I'm a male and I can think of plenty of guys who would abort if men could
>AW> get pregnant and they did.

>And there are plenty of women who did, as well!  I can't see why you would
>say that the statement has any more validity for men than women, when we don't
>even have statistics on how many men who have gone through an abortion situation
>and have declared that they would have carried the child themselves, *had* they
>been able to.

I never said that the statement has any more validity for men than women.
I stated that I can think of plenty of guys who would abort if men could
get pregnant and these guys did.  You equated from what I said that I gave
validity to men over women.  Please don't twist my words.

Having said that, I would like to say that I made the statement that I
did based on my own informal opinion.  For quite a few years I worked as 
a bartender/waiter while putting myself through under and post graduate 
school.  I knew many, many people of both sexes and I was party to 
knowledge of women getting pregnant from boyfriends, friends, etc.  Many
of the men who got the women pregnant wanted the women to abort the child.
In fact, many more men wanted abortions than men who wanted the woman to
carry to term.  Yes, there were men who really wanted to have children,
but they were definitely in the minority.  I will admit that the people
I met in my environment are not necessarily the cream of society, but I
simply stated an opinion.

>I am one such person...

Any so am I.  When I was still single 8 years ago, my girlfriend/fiancee
at that time got pregnant by me.  When she asked for my advice, I said 
that we should keep that baby and that it'd be great, but that was my
opinion and it was her body, even though it was my baby.  She chose to
abort.  2 months after this, she decided to sow some more wild oats and
she left me.  A year later, I got a phone call one night from her and
she could hardly talk as she was crying so much.  It seems one of her
latest conquests had gotten her pregnant.  I offered to do anything for
her.  She said she wanted another abortion and this time I tried everything
in my power once again to persuade her to NOT abort, even to carry to
term and give me the child.  She refused and I then went with her once
again while she had the abortion.  I was even more disconsolate and sad
this time.

Funny thing . . . I'm married to a really wonderful person and we're
going on our third "surprise".  Nos. 1 and 2 are incredible.  As for my
old girlfriend/fiancee, she's now divorced from her husband and 
terribly depressed since now she wants children (the main reason she
and hubby split up) and doesn't have any.  Plus, her brother keeps
reminding her how she "screwed up" when she had the chance with me.
She even admitted the same to me one day recently.  I told her I would
have gladly carried the baby back 8 years ago if I could've.

allen