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From: roberts@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov (Don Roberts)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Legenary Abs - Fit For Life
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:54:11 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

bledbett@fish.prime.com (Bruce Ledbetter) writes:

>        Over a year ago there was much talk over the "Legendary Abs"
>        program from Fit For Life.  I snagged the routine of the net
>        and have been using with great sucess, but I'd like to have the
>        real thing from the real people.  Can someone please provide me with
>        an address or phone number of Fit For Life so that I can legitimately
>        order the booklet about Legendary Abs?

There's a big two-page spread in the November issue of IRONMAN advertising
the various programs available from Health For Life, including Legendary Abs.
Their address is:

	Health For Life
	8033 Sunset Blvd., Ste. 483
	Los Angeles, CA 90046

Toll free number: (800) 874-5339

Their other products include: TNT (Total Neck and Traps), Maximum Calves,
The Human Fuel Handbook [nutrition], Secrets of Advanced Bodybuilders,
Power Forearms, and The 7-Minute Rotator Cuff Solution.
--
 Donald W. Roberts
   University of California                                     Physicist
   Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory        Recreational Bodybuilder
   dwr@llnl.gov                                          Renaissance Dude

 The ideas and opinions expressed here do not represent official policies
 of Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory,  the University of California,
                or the United States Department of Energy.
From: mfv23060@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Maurice F. Vallejo)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Frustration City
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:20:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw2IpL.1zw
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

(posting from a friend's account)

ARRRGGGGG!!  Does anyone else out there get frustrated with their muscle
improvement ???  I have been lifting for about 5 months now and have only
gained 10 pounds.  Now, my new roommate has been lifting for 2 months and
has also gained 10 pounds.  I have tried to figure out what the hell is wrong
and here is what I think:

	first, I have a small build to start with 5' 10" and 145 (up to 155 now
	though)

	second, I have a high metabolism (sp?), I never have been able to gain
	or lose weight.

	third, I use alot of Nautilus and Universal machines (I have heard that
	they produce long and strong muscles, but not much bulk).  Is this 
	true??

	forth, I don't think I have been "intense" enough.  My muscle aren't 
	sore after a workout.

	I usually work a  4-on-1-off with some variation, keeping each workout
	at 1 hour or less.  And of course, working different parts each day.
  	Eating more meat and fish and weight gainer.  but nothing seems to be
	working!!!!

	Is there any hope of speeding up my progress, or is it all genetics?  
I am thinking about giving up because I am getting tired of putting in so much
effort and seeing such little gains.

						Thanks,
						   Dan Nix.

P.S. Thanks Moe for letting me use your account !!!
mfv23060@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: aleck@athena.mit.edu (Aleck H Alexopoulos)
Subject: Re: Lat Pulldown: front or back?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:49:41 GMT

In article <y74-NR-@engin.umich.edu>, hajel@engin.umich.edu (john hajel) writes:
|> 
|> What is the best way to do Lat pulldowns.  To the front or back?
|> 

Both are legit ways of doing pulldowns. 
Pulldowns to the fron have the advantage that you can pull the bar down 
lower than pulldowns to the back. However they have the disadvantage 
that you can end up cheating if you're not carefull. This will happen if 
you 
a) lean back too much while doing the pulldown
b) let your elbows move forward

Personally i only do pulldowns to the front because for some reason 
when i do them to the back i get some pain in my shoulder.

|> Thanks,
|> John Hajel


Aleck
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: In-Line Skating...
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:13:18 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

rec.skate is devoted to ice skating and inline skating.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Re: In-Line Skating...
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:26:23 GMT

In article <54452@dime.cs.umass.edu> rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot) writes:
>In article <6910018@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> karlf@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Karl Fengler) writes:
>>Anyone out there who "Inline Skates"? (rollerblading) Haven't seen any
>>entries in "misc.fitness". Is there a seperste group out there somewhere?
>>Anyway, if you know of a "Inline Skates" group, let me know.
>>
>  Yeah, I inline skate.  I think there is a separate group for this
>  sport, it may be hooked to the rec.sport.hockey group.  I've never
>  been able to find or acces it though.
>
>Judy
>
     Sounds interesting.  What is inline skating?

     STeve R
:x

> 
>
>
>
>


Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Subject: Re: Side Deltoids
Originator: glex@nitro
Reply-To: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:53:40 CDT


In article <1992Oct12.161945.24427@scott.skidmore.edu>, kbarss@scott.skidmore.edu (Kelly Barss) writes:
|> funky@nevada.edu (MATTHEW KAPHAN) writes:
|> > in all areas of my body except for side deltoids.  What are good mass 
|> > building exercises for the side deltoids?
|> Side laterals and presses are the best.  For the longest time I was doing side
laterals wrong...
|> should bend your elbows a little bit and bring them slightly forward when
|> raising upward.  Don't worry about the weight so much as the form ...
|> Kelly.

Hu. Why?  The function of your lateral delts are to support your arms when moving straight out from the side of your body, the front delt supports your arms
when they are being moved anywhere infront of your body.  I think the best
way to hit the lateral delts is to start out in front of your body, lift
the weight, turn your hand like you're pouring coffee (thumbs down) then
lower to your sides.  Starting in front allows you to lift more weight, 
because you're using the front delts as well as lateral.  When the weight
is lowered straight down to the sides the laterals are isolated and overloaded which will build strength.  I'd also try doing military presses, then super-set
them with some lateral raises.  The military's will fatigue your front & rear
delts and your lateral's slightly, the raises will then work the laterals and
since the others are very tired, they should be worked very effectively.

The important part about side raises is the position of your upper arm.  It
should move in a relatively straight arc straight out from your shoulder.  The
more you bend your arms, when using dumbbells, the easier it will be because
the weight is closer to the fulcrum (shoulder) of the lever.  So bend your arms
slightly, to lessen the strain on your wrists and forearms.  

Don't worry about weight, if you do it correctly you don't need that much.
-- 
glex@nitro.cray.com  === "Difficult tasks are never easy..."
From: czw70@ccc.amdahl.com (CA Whitfield)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: WANTED: Concept II Rowing Ergometer prices
Keywords: concept II 2 rowing ergometer ergo
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:15:25 GMT
Reply-To: czw70@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (CA Whitfield)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl UK


Subject says it; I wish to know US retail prices for the Concept II
rowing ergo.  Any takers?
Cheers,
CAW
--
>>>  Charlie Whitfield                           Amdahl (UK) Limited  <<<
>>>                                              Axis House           <<<
>>>  Phone: +44 81 - 759 8080                    242 Bath Road        <<<
>>>  Fax:   +44 81 - 759 7243                    Hayes                <<<
>>>  Email: czw70@juts.ccc.amdahl.com            Middlesex UB3 5AY    <<<
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: hwk@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (henry.w.krautter)
Subject: heart rate monitor question
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:47:55 GMT
Keywords: heart rate monitors

I just purchased a Performance, a bicycle company, HRM and found it won't
work with a Lifecycle bikes at a gym I go to. Probably interference from
electromagnetic radiation, from the Lifecycle. Can anybody tell me if HRM's
from other companies such as Polar also show this interference. Strange
how some of the bicycle training books I read mention how to train using a
HRM on Lifecycle type ergometers, I guess they never tried it. I may have
to just use it on my road bike. Thanks in advance for any answers.

Henry

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)
Subject: Re: Want to buy old Nikes
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:53:28 GMT

In article <1bii47INN14j@coral.bucknell.edu> crane@coral.bucknell.edu (The Whooping Crane) writes:
>Hi.  I'm looking to collect old Nike tennis, basketball, and cross
>training shoes.  Does anyone have any old ones that they want to
>get rid of.  Let me know. (I also want some old Reeboks as well)
>I am starting a collection because I want to collect something WEIRD!
>
>Curt
>
>reply to:  crane@coral.bucknell.edu 
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>       -- Curt Crane Was here

training shoes are an awfully strange item for whooping cranes to use to line
their nests.  perhaps that is why there are so few of them.  

whoop, whoop, whoop!  :)

poo
From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: How much is too much?
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:50:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewse.1992Oct15.225054.26746
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct15.203412.27538@mlb.semi.harris.com> mvm@epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney) writes:
>gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
>
>>I have a somewhat related question.  What experience have people had
>>with the interaction of weightlifting and aerobic exercising?
>
>I have been doing both for the last 2 years, after 5 years of
>strictly aerobic exercise.  I am still making gains in both strength
>and endurance.
>
>I can swim, bike, and run faster than I could when I started lifting,
>even though I reduced my mileage.  I can also lift about twice as much
>as when I started.  My weight went from 155 to 165, and I was recently
>tested at 7% body fat.  The combination of strength and reduced mileage
>also reduces the risk of overuse injuries, and I have had none in the last
>two years.
>
>I normally lift weights twice a week, and run, bike, or swim on the other
>days.  I don't try to combine weights with aerobics on the same day,
>since one workout would leave me tired for the other.
>

Great.  Thanks for the input.  Now, I'm also interested in reactions
of people that are doing what I'm doing -- trying to combine the two
on lift days.

Now, Covert Bailey recommends aerobic exercise every day.  Does
lifting instead on 3 of those days make a significant decrease in
fat-burning/muscle-leaning improvement?

For that matter, would it be better to lift only once or twice a 
week instead of my 3-5, and do aerobic activity on the other days?

Or would it be better to go to the gym twice on lift days, once for
lifting and once for aerobic?

Gets more and more complicated, doesn't it?

For what it's worth, what I'm doing so far seems to make me feel
much better, but I don't if it's optimal in the long term.  I've been
lifting for about 25 years, so I think any changes would have some
kind of effect anyway.

Thanks for all the input so far!

GMS
From: karl@isgtec.com (Karl Sewlochan)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: split routine question
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:43:40 GMT
Reply-To: karl@isgtec.com <Karl Sewlochan>
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc. Mississauga Ont. Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

James Douglas Del-Vecchio (n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu) wrote:
: 
: 
:   I want to break it down into three or more days, as two has 
: become unsatisfactory.   I will probably keep legs on one day, and
: parcel out my non-leg day into two or more.  Could some of you give 
: example of your 6, 5, 4, or 3 day routines?    
: 

Jim,

    Monday/Thursday     - legs
    Tuesday/Friday      - chest, shoulder and triceps
    Wednesday/Saturday  - back and biceps
    M/W/F               - abs

This is progressive warmup split (ie. after the chest the shoulders
are already mostly warmed up, and after that the triceps are
mostly warmed up).  There are also push-pull splits (eg. biceps and
triceps one day).

Whether or not muscle groups like traps are considered a shoulder or
a back exercise I'll leave to you (for reference I consider it
a shoulder-type exercise).

Good luck.

--
Karl Sewlochan        ...uunet.ca!isgtec!karl             karl@isgtec.com
ISG Technologies Inc.  3030 Orlando Dr. Mississauga.   Ont.  Can.  L4V 1S8
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: t-jeffwe@microsoft.com (Jeffrey Westhead)
Subject: Re: love handles
Date: 10 Oct 92 02:46:51 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

I also just had my body fat measured. I came up at 13%, which is
probably reasonable - I'm fit but recently had surgery which involved
a lot a weight loss during recovery. When I gained the weight back,
I wasn't able to work out, so I think it came back mostly as fat.

I had the measurement taken with this little DMM thing - electrodes
on hand and foot. The measurer just typed reactance and resistance
into a computer and out came the result. Any comments on the accuracy
of this method?

Jeff.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Subject: Re: too many sets (down to 4 from 8) -- warmup
Originator: glex@nitro
Reply-To: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 16 Oct 92 09:49:34 CDT


In article <1992Oct15.225113.6952@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
|> 	I've decided that 8 sets per exercise is too many.  I cut down
|> to 4 last time and I was able to do higher quality sets.  The poster who 
|> said one will hold back when he knows he has many sets ahead may be right.
Great!

|> Too much energy spend on warmups makes me weak for the "real" sets, but 
|> what about too little:  Have any of you noticed anything bad from going 
|> right at your real sets?   I've done it and nothing bad has happened.
The risk of injury is higher.  I like to do a general body warm-up, jumping
rope, jogging, biking and some push-ups, just something to get the muscles
warmed up.  Then I do a warm-up set for the area, if it's chest I do a light
set of lateral raises and presses, to get the delts ready and 5-8 reps of 
a bare bar bench, then up to ~50% of the weight I'm going to use in my first
set for 5, then maybe 1-2 reps of the weight I'll do when I start.

If you're doing behind the neck military presses I'd suggest at least 1 warm-up set to get the posterior delts ready.
-- 
glex@nitro.cray.com  === "Difficult tasks are never easy..."
From: jew@rt.sunquest.com (/87336)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: split routine question-TOO MANY SETS!
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:25:05 GMT
	<6034@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu>
Distribution: na
Organization: Sunquest Information Systems
In-reply-to: 6500ursa@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu's message of 13 Oct 92 19:46:04 GMT

I do one set to failure at 8-12 reps per muscle.  I only work the
upper body with weights, legs are for aerobics...
--
jew@sunquest.com

Every purchase has its price.
From: loftis@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Loftis)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:51:08 GMT
Subject: Re: love handles
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: misc.fitness

|I used to be overweight, 180lbs. Now I'm a comfortable, fit 150lbs.
|I'm exercising constantly, weights, push-ups, sit-ups, squats, etc.
|Yet one thing eludes me. Yep, them evil love handles..left over from
|my obese days..and still some bit of fat in the stomach area.
|I need to know of an excersie that will help me lose this fat, the love
|handles and something that will tighten the skin..other than surgury. :)
|Because of my sit-ups, I can see the ribbling washboard but faintly.
|Any ideas? Thanks All.
|
|Ben Ng
|beng@dorsaid.com
|uupsi!dorsaidm!beng
----------

	The problems of fat......each person has their particular place
where they would store fat first, yours happens to be the love handles.
They will not come off until you are completely down on your fat
reserves.  Hence, drop more weight (fat) and they should come off.  The
way to drop weight is to have a good diet (low in fats, etc) and plenty
of exercise.  Remember, when you start to gain (fat), guess where the
fat will pop up first.....

	Kirk

	PS Congradulations on your weight loss

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: funky@nevada.edu (MATTHEW KAPHAN)
Subject: Side Deltoids
Originator: funky@redrock.nevada.edu
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:46:51 GMT


I have been working out for quite a while now, and have noticed good gains
in all areas of my body except for side deltoids.  What are good mass 
building exercises for the side deltoids?  I have a feeing that I might
not be doing side laterals the proper way, and it's hard to look at people
and see how to do it because everybody does it a different way.  Thanks
in advance.
 
-Matthew
-- 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Matthew Kaphan        funky@redrock.nevada.edu
                .sig files are for people who can't change their mind.
From: neilos@dingbat.Eng.Sun.COM (Neil O`Sullivan)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Test. and Sun??????????
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:43:15 GMT
Reply-To: neilos@dingbat.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: dingbat


Anyone who has been to a dermatologist for skin problems is
educated about the relationship between sun exposure and skin
cancer, with no reference to diet.

Certainly diet has a direct impact on the individual's overall
health; it may even be true that the sun will compound damage
to the skin caused by a poor diet, but it would be dangerous
to assume that a good diet will somehow protect the skin from
UV damage.  It simply ain't so.

n
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mtp@oregon.uoregon.edu (Matthias Pohl)
Subject: Re: Clenbuterol Clarification
Organization: Dep. of Chemistry
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 20:45:56 GMT

In article <15924@umd5.umd.edu>, silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:

> Where the hell did you get this information.  20mcg is the normal dosage per
> tablet of the DRUG Clenbuterol.  Sorry, Matthias, but if you believe the
> "real" Clenbuterol is contained in that product by the corrupt company
> Strength Systems, you will lose all credability with me and lots of others
> on the net.
> 
> How do you actually know that Clenbuterol Plus actually contains Clenbuterol?

Several weeks ago I received a leaflat about Clenbuterol +. The leaflat
says 20 mcg Clenbuterol (from bovine brain) plus 60 mg (or maybe it was
80 mg) of Niacin. Now, guys, save the flames about "Do you believe evrything ?" And no, I havent bought that product nor do I intend to...

/Matthias


Newsgroups: misc.misc,talk.politics.misc
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: This Time Around, DON'T VOTE !!
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: na 
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:17:24 GMT

In <1992Oct7.013905.10471@samba.oit.unc.edu> Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:


>Chicago politics can be depressing, but urban America has to be understood
>in the context of suburban votes outweighing urban ones.

>In other words, politicians expect poor urban areas to vote solidly
>Democratic whatever they do, so they pay more attention to suburban areas
>which are more likely to switch between one party and another. And because
>of the neglect of the cities and the support of the suburbs, you have good
>highways and decaying transit systems and city streets. 

>Look up north to see what a three-party system can do. The Toronto Board of
>Education (which serves only the City of Toronto, not the suburbs) has a
>majority of members from the New Democratic Party, a relatively
>well-meaning social-democratic party that currently runs the provincial
>government as well. They *like* public participation and democracy, even
>though an awful lot of it is directed against their policies.

>The New Democratic Party has never formed a government federally in Canada,
>but it has advocated a lot of ideas (universal pensions, family
>allowances, government student aid, and so on) that have been adopted by
>other parties. In Canada, there's a lot wrong with the political process,
>but voting *does* make a difference. The parties really do have different
>perspectives and different policies. 

>So if you can't vote *for* someone in the next election, maybe there's
>someone you can vote against.

>Or maybe you can move north to Canada, where politics are sufficiently
>interesting that votinbg is unambiguously worthwhile.
 
Hey! What did the Canadians ever do to you? :-)


>--
>   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
>     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
>        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
>           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80

REB

Newsgroups: misc.misc
From: jdavis@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Jim Davis)
Subject: Cecil M. Gaines, where are you?
Organization: DHL Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 21:13:00 GMT

I've lost track of an old and dear friend who was best man at my wedding.
He is Cecil M. Gaines originally from Moultrie, Georgia.  Last time I saw
him was when he was with US Postal Dept. as a Cost Accountant in San Mateo,
CA.  He is between 55-60 years old, about 6" tall approx. 175 lbs, blond
hair, probably considerable grey by now.

Anyone have any clues as to his where-abouts I'd appreciate an email at
   jdavis@ssf-sys.DHL.COM

THANKS!!
Newsgroups: misc.misc,talk.politics.misc
From: schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher)
Subject: Re: This Time Around, DON'T VOTE !!
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:37:46 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Anyone who chooses not to vote should shut the hell up about
politics until the next election. 

I'd still like to throttle those whiners from my old co-op
who chanted "Carter, Reagan, both the same!" while sitting
out the election in 1980. Maybe some of them are now pondering
their error while protesting the latest decision of a Reagan-
appointed judge. (On the other hand, if enough reactionary
Republicans and fuzzy-minded Libertarians emulate that old 
radical error, the Busher will soon be out of a job!)

Newsgroups: misc.misc
From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Carlos E. Torres)
Subject: Boston - One large studio available 11/1
Organization: Clarkson University
Distribution: ne
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:09:45 GMT

One large studio apt available after 11/1.  Located near Harvard Medical 
School / Longwood Medical area on St. Alphonsus Street.  Green line T stop
just around the corner.  Heat and hot water included.  Has dishwasher, 
garbage disposer an air conditioning utilities.  Also has security.  Laundry 
facilities in the basement.  Exercise / weights room on 1st floor and an 
outdoor pool open in the summer.  Parking available for extra.  Need 1st and
last months rent.  $650 / month + utils.

Call Alex at: 	(617) 461-3822 (day)
		(617) 739-1943 (evenings / nights)
or email at: alex.soto@analog.com
 
Newsgroups: misc.misc
From: fburdette@worldbank.org (Franklin P. Burdette)
Subject: "Good Luck" is Test--Please Ignore
Followup-To: misc.misc
Organization: The World Bank, Washington, DC, USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:14:04 GMT

Please Ignore the Previous Post. Sorry.
Newsgroups: misc.misc