From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
Subject: Re: Guilty?
Keywords: You expect me to mark my deletions?  Dream on...
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:38:47 GMT

In <1992Oct11.191903.9648@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes:

>In article <Bvv5FC.FvE@cs.psu.edu> beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
>>
>>[Janis Cortese]
>>> Ridiculous.  If I had a kid and someone threatened it, I'd slit their
>>> throat wide open and drink their blood with a smile in my face.  In the
>>> wild, as you say, women are the protectors and providers for their
>>> children.  This requires that they have a greater capacity for general
>>> nastiness than any male.
>>
>>In light of the controversy over Will Steeves' statements,
>>let me recall some responses.
>>
>>. Is Janis Cortese violent?

>I don't consider her to be.  I don't think you can be said to be "violent"
>for saying that you would protect your children.  I think that's a pretty
>healthy parental instinct.

How about protecting one's unborn children?

>>
>>. Is Janis Cortese an unbalanced woman who should be kept away from children?

>Nope.

You agree, Cochran?  Why are you so sure just the opposite is true
of Will, *mutatis mutandis* [change "woman" to "man", etc.]?

>>
>>. Would Janis Cortese slit someone's throat for bumping into her child
>>  on a subway car?

>*THREATEN*

>>
>>. Would Janis Cortese slit the throat of a child who threatened her child?

>Isn't this just a tad *too* hypothetical? Or are you just trying to drum up
>support for Will?  (If this is leading into the "but Will was just trying
>to protect the life of *HIS* child, I'd like to remind you that I don't
>consider it a child until it's born).

But Will did, and the subject is HIS frame of mind, not yours.  

[The foregoing is Exhibit B in "The Museum of `Ancient and Justified'
Self-Centeredness."  Exhibit A was when I talked about few pro-choicers
really opposed personally to abortion for a number of reasons such as gender 
selection, and Cochran countering by saying that if HE were pregnant
HE would not have an abortion, and even accusing me of knowing *nothing*
about *him* for having made the remark...*him*, the man who once volunteered
to be the doer to my body.]


>Isn't this getting just a tad too hypothetical?  Will made a very explicit
>statement.  If a woman showed him so much disrespect as to have an abortion,
			       ^^^
>and not only not tell him immediatly afterwards, but waited a year, he would
>probably snap right there and kill the woman on the spot.

Will's statement did NOT say who the object of disrespect was.  It could
have been his unborn child, for all YOU know, Cochran.

>>
>>. Mothers have done such things.  Should we restrain all mothers?

>Why?  Should we restrain all fathers?

This seems to be precisely the Politically Correct attitude Don
was countering with his remark.  Care to go around once more?

[Actually, I don't think it will happen: Don is not as prone
to selective deletions as Cochran, though Storga is still the
champ in that category, with Susan Garvin a close second.]

>>
>>I think not.  In particular, I saw no reason to interpret "with a smile
>>on my face" as a sign of violent insanity; rather, it seems a figurative
>>description intended to emphasize her point.

>I'll agree with you there.  What does this have to do with Will's post?

As you once said to me, you-of-whom-I-know-nothing:

AAAUGH	boish boish boish boish boish

Stop playing dumb, __________

You said "Peter", I say "Keith".  With much more justification.

Peter Ny.

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