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From: friedenb@egr.msu.edu ( Gedaliah Friedenberg )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Cheap Books: Update
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:51:24 GMT
Reply-To: friedenb@egr.msu.edu ( Gedaliah Friedenberg )
Organization: Michigan State University
Originator: friedenb@frith.egr.msu.edu


I found a local book store which specializes in over-stocked books,
and sells them at a fraction of the retail price.  I have made a list
of the books with Jewish or Mideast Politics topics currently in stock.  

I will purchase them and ship them anywhere in the US, Canada or
Israel in a water-resistant package for the price stated below +
packaging and postage.  Packaging and postage depend on the dimensions
and weight of the book.  In the US, an average book is $1.50 for
packaging and $1.50 for postage (Book Rate).

The books at this store are constantly changing.  Send me mail
immediately to get one.  I'll post new lists as their stock changes.

All books are brand new and in perfect condition.

Because I think that it may be illegal to make a profit off of the
net, the sale prices are the exact price which I pay for the books.
Since I am making no profit, and thus the cost is lower, I ask
purchasers to give 10% of the cost of the book to charity.

Gedaliah Friedenberg  friedenb@egr.msu.edu
-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
-=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science
-=-Michigan State University


UPDATED:  August 25, 1992

Title			Author	    		      retail price   cost
============================================================================
The Genocidal Mentality	  R. Lifton & E. Markusen	$13.00	    $ 4.98
(Subtitle: Nazi Holocaust and Nuclear Threat)
Soft Cover

Jews in America						$45.00      $19.98
(Coffee-table book.  Full color photos.  Perfect gift!!!)
Hard Cover

The Gift of Asher Lev	Chaim Potok			$19.95      $ 4.98
Hard Cover; Fiction

Congregation		David Rosenberg			$14.95      $ 6.98
(Subtitle: Contemporary Writers Read the Jewish Bible)
Soft Cover; 500+ Pages

The Book of Adam and Moses  L. Segal & L. Baskin	$11.95      $ 4.98
Soft Cover

Israel In America	Jacob Neusner			$ 8.95	    $ 2.98
Soft Cover

Still Small Voices	John & Janet Wallach		$18.95	    $ 2.98
(Subtitle: Untold Stories Behind Violence in the West Bank and Gaza Strip)
Hard Cover; forward by Teddy Kollek, mayor of Jerusalem

Falasha Anthology	Wolf Leslau			$13.00	    $ 3.98
Soft Cover

Response to Modernity	Michael A. Meyer		$12.95      $ 3.98
subtitle: History of the Reform Movement
Soft Cover

Essays in Jewish Intellectual History  Alexander Altman	$40.00      $10.98
Hard Cover

The Book of J 		Harold Bloom			$21.95      $10.00
Hard Cover

Passover Haggada 	(biblical)			$10.95	    $ 5.00
Soft Cover; Illustrated in Color by Marc Chagall
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From: aaron@kesher.UUCP (Aaron Schmiedel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Torah In A Torah Context (was Re: more of ...can of worms....)
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:06:53 GMT
Organization: KESHERnet International - Dallas, TX

In article <2yhns+b.strnlght@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>
>Thus we see yet again that Rubin makes dogmatic statements entirely
>without any research, when there are perfectly good explanations. If
>he pulled this in Statistics, they'd want to take back his Ph.D. Too
>bad his Bar Mitzvah can't be taken back. :-)
>
>The arrogance of the man's statements is only exceeded by their ignorance.



While I agree the Mister-Doctor Rubin makes statements that are unfounded
and totally without merit when it comes to Torah, he is at least trying 
to present his argument in the most scholarly manner (I assume) that he
can in this matter.

I find it highly objectionable that you resort to the type of statements
as you made above in trying to "prove" your point.  You will probably
disagree, but I think you owe him an apology.

Just my 2 cents worthless.....




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From: david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann)
Subject: Re: What is Tanya
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-25496]: bourbon
Organization: E.E. Dept., Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:27:39 GMT

In article <94752@bu.edu> simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov) writes:
>In article <1e76PB1w164w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> murray.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:
>
>>YK>Could you explain what Tanya is about?
>in the FIRST line:
>
>>Tanya is "the bible" of ChaBaD Chasidic philosophy. 
>
>Sounds not very good for me....
>
>Simon

"Bible" is perhaps an unfortunate choice of words. Tanya is a
philsophic work, perhaps better described (as one reputable
commentator puts it) as a psycho-spiritual Guide to the Perplexed,
comparable to Maimonides's rational work. It provides a systematic
exposition of the relationship between the soul and G-d, the soul's
purpose and methodology for achieving it. 

Many of its ideas have been "mainstreamed." Generally, as with any
important text, it requires elucidation by someone who has already
studied it.

A good introduction to its concepts, history and intent is vol. 2 of
Mindel's biography of the Alter REbbe, titled the Philosophy of
Chabad.

Tanya is one of a handful of texts requisite study for anyone truly
interested in Jewish thought and the meaning of mitzvot.


David Kaufmann
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Organization: The Communications Research Centre
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 19:50:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.172502.19949@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> dsg@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (david.s.green) writes:
>In article<dobo.715537481@swalwell> dobo@cs.UAlberta.CA (W. Dobosiewicz) writes:
>>
>>My father happened to have spent 5.5 years in various Nazi concentration
>>camps, most of it in the largest of them all: Mauthausen in Austria.
>>He survived to write 3 books on the subject (I can hear Mr. Saal hustling:
>>how come he survived? Shame on him!)
>
>Many of my relatives were killed during the Holocaust in Europe.  Mostly,
>they were residents of The Pale.
>
>
>So?  The facts remain that Auschwitz, and other concentration camps,
>were located in the area of Europe now known as Poland.  The fact
>remains that Jews who lived in The Pale were targeted, rounded up,
>and slaughtered just because they were Jews.  The fact remains that
>the non-Jewish citizens of that land did little to nothing to stop
>the Holocaust.  
>
It could be argued that the holocaust, once initiated, was unstoppable
by individual actions, or by actions of the kinds of groups that could
be assembled at that time and place.  How many people reading this
would have been willing to risk their lives in a comparable situation?
This is not to deny that, historically, Poles are not exempt from 
complicity in the general situation which the Jews were placed and
which led to the holocaust.  In any case, are we not too preoccupied
with the details of the past rather than with getting on with the
present and future?  What is being done NOW about anti-semitism, and
about other human wrongs, now that we have seen what the consequences
of such wrongs can be? 


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: Larry Israel <VSLARRY@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL>
Subject:      RE: WEDDING ON SATURDAY
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <Larry Israel <VSLARRY@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL>>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:47:41 GMT


T From: hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz)
T Subject: Re: wedding on Saturday??
T
T I would say that this explanation is due to being forbidden to
T change the status of an object from "forbidden" to "permitted" on
T shabbos or Yom Tov.  The analogy would be to "Beitzah Shenolda" (an
T egg that is laid) on Yom Tov or taking an animal that had not been
T set aside to be used on Yom Tov and slaughtering it to eat (on Yom
T Tov).  Similarly, since the food had been forbidden for use at the
T time Shabbos or Yom Tov began, one cannot change its status during
T Shabbos or Yom Tov.
T
T
T Hmmm, perhaps it was a good analogy.  Since the couple was
T forbidden to each other at the time Shabbos or Yom Tov began, they
T cannot change that status to permitted on Shabbos or Yom Tov.
T
T _______________________________________________________________
T | Hillel Markowitz        |    Im ain ani li mi li             |
T | H_Markowitz@att.com     |    Veahavta Leraiecha Kamocha      |
T |_________________________|____________________________________|

I suppose, that in general, items that are forbidden at the start of Shabbat
are muktzeh, forbidden throughout Shabbat. But does this apply to people?
If a woman is nidah, and goes to the mikva Friday night, are she and her
husband forbidden to each other on Shabbat? Not the way I heard it.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: defee@tukkasotka.tut.fi (Irek Defee)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 09:02:18 GMT

In article <2060@dutiws.tudelft.nl> santen@dutiws.tudelft.nl (Marieke.van.Santen.IS-tel-7216) writes:
>etc. etc.
>when Auschwitz was built, it was built with the help the so called 
>"gruene" prissoners, who became the role of capo. They were mainly 
>Polish prisoners.

You seem to be suggesting that this "helping" people were volunteering
for the jobs, or what? I must assure you that most of them were also
exterminated. 

> Poland was (for jews) parted in 39 gettos. 

Another fact of the "helping" nature: Administration in the ghettos
was Jewish (Judenrat), widely collaborating with ("helping"?) Germans 
in all areas (including transports). Jews "helping" Nazi Germans? Yes,
that's true (in your logic). 

Seriously what does this all prove? No more, no less, than that crooks, 
criminals and psychically weak are everywhere. Does the Judenrat example 
implies that a l l Jews were such? Obviously not, but you freely apply
same kind of reasoning to a l l Poles. Fine product of logical mind...
etc.

>When in 1942 the first jewish resistance started in Vilna & Warsaw, they 
>did not only have to fight germans, but also polands (especialy the
>Armia kraiowa). 

If you mean, e.g., Warsaw ghetto uprising, that's completely ridiculous.

>After the 1943 uprise in Treblinke, about 487 jews succeeded in escaping from 
>Treblinke most of them were killed by the Polish resistance..........
>etc. etc.

Please cite your sources, "etc.", looks like a sick folklore.

>Mischa van Vlaardingen.

Irek
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From: Joseph Wetstein <jpw@lorelei.ECE.Drexel.EDU>
Subject: Upcoming Shabbaton
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <Joseph Wetstein <jpw@lorelei.ECE.Drexel.EDU>>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:17:40 GMT



UPCOMING YAVNEH EVENTS!!

On November 13th and 14th, the Orthodox College community in St. Louis, 
Missouri will be having it's first ever shabbaton. Yavneh welcomes you!!!

It promises to be very exciting, and I will be forwarding the speaker 
and musical information as soon as it is finalized.

For more information, please contact me at yavneh-na@israel.nysernet.org, or
contact directly the organizer:

	John Boretsky
	8149 Del Mar Blvd
	St Louis, Missouri, 63130
	(314)-862-AISH

There will be room for only 150 or so, so don't get closed out!


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: To his Brother? (was ...can of worms...)
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:49:01 GMT

ms = MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni)
as = aaron@kesher.UUCP (Aaron Schmiedel)

as: Not only did Moshe recieve the Torah from G-d (which our sages tell us
as: was created along with <or before> this universe), but he also recieved
as: the entire explanation of it.  Which he taught to his brother....

ms: I thought that the O believe that Moshe passed on the Torah in all its
ms: forms to Yehoshu'a  (Joshua).  Any reference to  this brother teaching?

I think that Michael is referring to the opening of Pirkey Avot,
"Moshe received the Torah at Sinai and transmitted it to Yehoshua",
while Aaron is referring to the Midrash that explains how Moshe would
first teach each portion of the Torah to Aaron, then Aaron's sons
would come in, and so on with a widening audience until everyone had
learned it.

I'm not aware that this Midrash says that Aaron was taught the entire
explanation.  On the other hand, it doesn't say he wasn't.
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From: goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg)
Subject: Re: On Qadish
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 08:36:02 GMT

Warren:

Asking questions,writing  that I do not understand why some Qadishim 
get skipped when no AVEL is around ( I sincerely wish to see all Synagogues
completely full every morning and afternoon with not one single AVEL), does
not mean that I in any way ask or suggest to change Minhagim. Isn't that
power of asking questions about just any thing which we do and/or think the
difference between us and monkeys? Behind my remarks about Qadish, there is
what should be one of the Jew's top priorities, combat superstition as well
as injustice.
Yaaqov Goldberg
From: ward@sun17.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Ward)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Israeli Taxis
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:33:45 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <86975@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
>In article <BtJnvK.7Kn@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca>, ward@sun17 (Paul Ward) writes:
>>>The speaker said that the taxicabs in Israel have signs that say
>>>something to the effect of: The Messiah is coming.
>
>>Well, I don't know if this is true or not, but the way Israelis drive,
>>if I were in a taxi, I'd be praying that I got where I wanted to go,
>>and worry about Messiah later.  :-)
>
>A rabbi and an Israeli bus driver arrive in Heaven.  The driver is
>welcomed with endless bands of angels and rounds of applause and
>celebration, while the rabbi is ignored and kept waiting and waiting.
>Finally he asks a stray angel to explain the situation, and is told
>that while he usually put his congregation to sleep, the driver got
>_his_ passengers to pray with unusual fervor.

A rabbi and a lawyer arrive in Heaven.  The lawyer is
welcomed with endless bands of angels and rounds of applause and
celebration, while the rabbi is ignored and kept waiting and waiting.
Finally he asks a stray angel to explain the situation, who said;
"Big deal.  We got hundreds of Rabbis.  He's the first lawyer who
made it."

>-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)

Paul

(With sincere apologies to all lawyers (please don't sue me))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: Facts and Opinions: Insights on American Jewish Thinking(?)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 17:06:59 GMT

>I cannot imagine a curriculum in which a student would be expected to
>even look at these original works, rather than getting them placed in
>context in presentations in the vernacular.  Even at the research level,
>knowledge of other languages is primarily so that the investigator can
>read the current literature before it is digested or translated.  While
>I can read the mathematicians of the 17th and 18th century in Latin, I
>only do so to find out if they used a trick which has been removed from
>the current textbooks, not for the theorems.

This reminds me of something that happened recently.  I spoke to a
high school advanced placement (seniors) math class.  These kids
were the best in the high school, and had taken and done very well
in all required high school math courses.  So I started off with (a
very old, lame) joke:

  When Noah's ark finally landed, he asked all the animals to get
  off the ark and go forth and multiply.   Later, he checked in on
  all of them, and saw only the snakes had not done anything.  So
  he asked the snakes (they were "adders")  what's wrong?  They told
  Noah they needed a table.  Puzzled, Noah says, OK and goes off,
  gets some logs, and builds them a table.

  Some time later he visits the snakes and finds lots of baby snakes
  slithering around.  Which proves that

     with log tables even adders can multiply.

(groan)

OK.  No one got it.  They sat there like bumps on a log :^)

They had no idea what log tables are, had never seen or used them,
and may never do so.

If someone went back to old math articles or old text books and came
across the use of log tables, how can they understand them?
Wouldn't they have to find out what the authors meant?

Maybe this is not a great analogy to the present discussion, and I
suppose a good modern explanation of the use of log tables would do
a pretty good job of explaining what the original authors meant by
log tables.  But who would write such an explanation today?

===============

By the way I asked the kids  if they knew what a logarithm is, and
most of them immediately said, sure, an exponent!  And how is it
used?  Blank stares.....
==================
I also read rec.antiques, and this week someone is asking about
slide rules!  (I still have a few K&Es in good shape.)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: aleks@cray.com (Aleksander Mazur)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Date: 27 Aug 92 09:43:30 CDT


In article <300@chorus.chorus.fr> mir@opera.chorus.fr (Adam Mirowski) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.102942.14139@walter.cray.com>, aleks@cray.com (Aleksander Mazur) writes:
>
>%% Did anybody count and classified victims ? I remember, that in block
>%% I spent childhood in Poland there were 4 families (among 12) that
>%% lost their relatives in Auschwitz, among them 1 Jewish family.
>%% That proves nothing, but among victims were almost all
>%% nationalities, certainly at the top were Jews and Poles. How do
>%% you know Krzysztof, that Matthew was wrong ?
>
>Ridiculous. If all Polish Jews have been killed, in your block
>there would be 3 families out of 11 that lost relatives in
>Auschwitz, and none of them would be Jewish.
>
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>Chorus systemes, 6, av.Gustave Eiffel, 78182 Saint-Quentin-en-Yvelines CEDEX

I really do not understand, what is so ridiculous, so maybe Adam
can enlighten me. If in my block 7 Jewish families had been living,
what would be proven that way ? And if only Ukrainian families ?
Have you ever heard anything about migration in the world , also
about migration during wars ? Or random distribution maybe ?

Aleksander Mazur
From: rothberg@bimacs.BITNET (Danny Rothenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: wedding on Saturday??
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:10:21 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <92239.234738CFRQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> CFRQC@CUNYVM.BITNET (ToraByte) writes:
>I don't think I can remember an exact source for the explaination that I
>posted. However, to show that 'kiddush'es of the originating type are
>forbidden, an example springs to mind. From the mishna in Bameh
>Madlikin, second perek of Shabbos, it says 'Ain Me'asrin es HaVadai' - you
>can't separate Terumah and Ma'aser off of food that definately didn't have
>the twilight period and certainly so during shobbos.     Kadosh doesn't exactly
>mean sanctify or holy. A more proper translation is 'separate'. When doing the
                                                      ^^^^^^^^
I remember being shown a se Torah, where the rt 'K D Sh' is used t Sh'
is used to mean 'harlot', ie a woman who has seperated herself from
the Congregation of Israel by performing such immoral deeds.


>Sorry y'all, I hate writing in paragraphs :-)
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