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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 14:01:44 GMT
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From: ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk
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Subject: Re: Mystery tours & Hope of Deliverence

In article <memo.846121@cix.compulink.co.uk> you write:
>In-Reply-To: <1ieu4tINNjuk@agate.berkeley.edu> bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
>
>> Thesis topic opportunity:  How come so many rock people are hung up
>> on busses?  There's saki, Paul, Alan Price, Pete Townshend...   :-)
>
>I think I understand this. You've got to remember that these are
>double-decker buses & you get a very good view of everyday life from
>the top of one of these. (Very Penny Lane, not to mention the middle 8
>of A Day in the Life.) I think that's what they miss.

I think I remember reading that in the early days they used to practice 
their "Ooooo"s at the back of buses. Maybe this is what they miss :-)

Also, listening to the Hope of Deliverence single, it sounds an awful lot
like The Travelling Wilburys to me. Especially, I was listening to "New Blue
Moon" and switched to HoD and the backing sounds really similar, strummed
acoustic guitars, slide solo and harmonised backing vocals. Lead vocal melody
of HoD isn't very Wilburyish though. Could Macca be hinting he wants in too? :-)

Also (finally a non- :-)) the advert I read for HoD claimed that the other
songs would not be available on the new album. I don't have the review that
someone sent anymore, but the titles "Big Boys Bickering" and "Long Leather
Coat" and (erm.......) sound strangely familiar to me. Does anyone remember
if these are on Up from the Ground?

(minireview) The songs on HoD are reasonably good. There's nothing really 
outstanding on it, but nothing actually substandard either.

Cheers,

Ross-c
From: gaukur@rhi.hi.is (Kristjan Gaukur Kristjansson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: A little more on Mark Chapman.
Date: 4 Jan 93 09:55:17 GMT

Mostly to those who think FBI or some such had anything to do with it.

From 'The Stephen King Companion' by George Beahm (without permission).

    Stephen King's Number-One Fan
	A Real Horror Story*
----
  So anyway, this book is about fans, particularly about number-one fans.
I've been thinking about number-one fans for a long time because I get a
lot of mail, and a lot of it is signed "Your number-one fan."  And when I
was doing a "Tomorrow" show at Rockefeller Plaza in New York seven or eight
years ago, you come down and at 30 Rockefeller the most important thing to
know when you're done is where your car is, because there are these autograph
people that wait for you.  And in some cases, they are just autograph
collectors; in other cases, their eyes are sort of empty and they are sort of
weird.  They don't know why they want that autograph; they just know that
you are somebody who is on TV.  You are projected through the air, which
makes you somebody who is not really real, but sort of celebrity or something.
And then there are other people whose eyes are not only sort of empty but they
look sort of like haunted houses that say not only is nobody home, the place
is haunted.  And this guy was one of those.  He was this sort of thin, willowy
guy, clutching at me, saying.  "Will you sign this?  Will you sing this?"
And he had a piece of paper, and I signed it, and I go for the limousine.
And he's got the Polaroid and he says: "Can I get my picture taken with you?
Can I get my picture taken with you?"  And I said, "Yeah, real quick," and he
gives the camera to somebody, and he gets the Polaroid and while it's
developing he says, "Will you sign it?  Will you sign it?"  And I said "Yeah,"
and he's got this special pen.  You know he's been there before because it's
almost impossible to write on a Polaroid - everything beads up.  And I sign it:
"Best Wishes to Mark Chapman from Stephen King."  It was the guy who killed
John Lennon.  And in the course of our discussion, he described himself as ...
my number-one fan.
----
*From King's Virginia Beach lecture, September 22, 1986.
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From: "headly westerfield" <headly.westerfield@canrem.com>
Subject: mystery tours
Reply-To: "headly westerfield" <headly.westerfield@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Jan 93 01:21:57 EST

Quoting saki:

[lengthy post deleted]

<">But thirty years in the past, there was a journey about to be
<">made. This was the real mystery trip. The four musicians who
<">made it, willingly, left behind their ordinary world for another
<">full of wondrous sounds and silences...and in doing so, changed
<">the musical universe for those of us who *still* find---in every
<">lyric, in every pause, in every breath---an echo of that wonder.

You sure do write pretty.

>>>=====Headly=Westerfield===>
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From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: george, ringo, john, and ... buddy?
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 23:54:49 GMT

In article <memo.839703@cix.compulink.co.uk> petex@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>In-Reply-To: <1992Dec30.063247.28572@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> hymowitz@circle.cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!)
>
>> my friend suggested that we would be talking about 'the
>> american invasion' of british music, and the beatles would be 'just
>> another local skiffle band with a local following.'

>Although no one uses the term `invasion', that is after all exactly
>what happened to British music in the 50s. The Beatles were just the
>first people to come up with something that was `post-invasion',
>something worth sending back, so to speak.

Correct. American artists had long been "invading", or influencing
British music, even prior to WWII. But the influx of American
pop singers at the beginning of the fifties, many of whom released
records in England and/or actually toured there with some success,
like Johnny Ray (anyone remember him?), Bill Haley, Elvis, as well as
Buddy, caused the British focus to be turned toward American shores
for many years. Though British pop stars of the early sixties had
their indelible English charm, most of them were based on American
pop-music typology, and no one before the Fabs had been successful
in getting the tide to turn.

Of course the Beatles had long since left skiffle behind, but
without their inate creativity, talent, and drive, they might indeed
have been just another Brian Poole and the Tremeloes. :-)

BTW, Tony Barrow was of course a fine press person but it's amusing
to read, in retrospect, what he wrote on the back of the Beatles'
first LP: "Although so many people suggest (without closer definition)
that the Beatles have a trans-Atlantic style, their only real influence
has been from the unique brand of Rhythm and Blues folk music which
abounds on Merseyside and which The Beatles themselves have helped
to pioneer since their formation in 1960". That's what I call extreme
wish-fulfillment. :-)

>Which leads to the second point: no matter what had happened to Buddy
>Holly, the Beatles mixed his influence with that of people like
>Smokey Robinson & the early Motown stuff and so produced something
>that wouldn't have been seen as just Holly imitation even if he'd
>still been alive. (The Beatles vocal harmonies, for example, are not really
>indebted to Holly at all, it seems to me.)

No, they're more akin to the style of the Everly Brothers, whose
music heavily influenced Paul, among other Beatles. But as you mention,
there's a complex amalgam of influences that led the Fabs to their
own harmonic realization.

--
"Here's the first big chart-busting bombshell of '63!!!! The Beatles
have made *THE* RECORD OF THE YEAR!"
------------------------------------
saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu)-----------
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From: endesa@lascar.puc.cl (Jorge Espinosa)
Subject: lyrics wanted
Organization: Databyte, ENDESA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:26:10 GMT

Hi there:
I'm looking for lyrics of The Inner Light and Flying (MMT).
Any hint?  Thank U.

Jorge Espinosa (endesa@lascar.puc.cl)

Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles,rec.music.misc
From: stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter)
Subject: Sitar in Western Pop/Rock Music
Keywords: sitar beatles rock pop shankar
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:24:57 GMT

My 9-year old was misled at school by her music teacher who played the
class Ravi Shankar's portion of the Bangla Desh Concert implying that
George Harrison was on the track, and that George had learnt the sitar
after a music tour that the Beatles had done of India.  Seriously
misinformation here - so no flames please!

I tried to set the record straight (sorry about the pun there), and we
got to looking for the ORIGIN of the sitar in 60's pop/rock.

The earliest Beatles use was on Norwegian Wood (recorded mid '65 -
from memory).  In one book we found reference to an earlier Kinks
usage - what was it? When was it recorded, whence did Ray Davies get
the idea?

Oddly I had in my mind that this was the one big example of the
Stones influencing the Beatles - but the dates seem to say otherwise.
The Stones used it, but in March '66 on Paint it Black - months after
Rubber Soul was released.  

In George's autobiography he mentions that he used a cheapo sitar on
Norwegian Wood, but picked up a good one in India on his way back
from Manila in '66 after the shambles there.  

All information welcome

Stephen Carter, Systems & Operations Manager, Computing Services, 
 University of Sussex, Brighton BN1 9QJ, UK
  JANET        : S.Carter@uk.ac.sussex.central
"Nothing is Beatle Proof!"
From: rags@triples.math.mcgill.ca (Robert A. G. Seely)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: buddy holly & the beatles
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:18:29 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <memo.840170@cix.compulink.co.uk> petex@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>In-Reply-To: <1993Jan3.234510.27362@ultb.isc.rit.edu> sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Sgt. Kleper)
>
>> Didn't the Beatles do Words of Love (which Holly did)? I think they also
>> did another Holly song on their very first album.
>
>Words of Love is the only Holly song they released, but they certainly did
>Crying Waiting Hoping on the radio - 6th Aug 63, according to "The
>Beatles at the Beeb".
>

Of course both posters are right - the first album they did was the Decca
audition album (available as a boot just about everywhere) and it had CWH on
it. And on the Beeb too...

-rags
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From: nelshou1@cicero.spc.uchicago.edu (Roger Shouse)
Subject: Re: John Sinclair
Organization: U of Chicago, SSPPCC
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:14:08 GMT

Sometime back in the early early 70's (or late late 60's), John Lennon
appeared at a live concert fund raiser for John Sinclair in Ann Arbor.
He performed the song for the first time with lyrics slightly different
from those on STINYC.  The live version:

            "They gave him 10 for 2
             What else could Columbo [the judge's name] do?"

             and later,

	    "They gave him 10 for 2
	     And they got Pun Plumandon [another White Panther] too"


On STINYC, of course, Columbo became "the bastards" and Pun Plumandon
became something I could never figure out (Poor Lee Otis?).

I'll bet that this concert is on bootleg somewhere.

Roger Shouse
U of C

	    


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From: campo@calspan.com (Jim Campobello)
Subject: 20 Flight Rock
Organization: Calspan Advanced Technology Center
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:46:30 GMT

    When Paul sings "Twenty Flight Rock", on the Russian album for example,
    it sounds like the end of the last verse is:

         All this climbing's getting me down,
         Find my corpse draped over the rail.

    This is the only such couplet that doesn't rhyme, and I wonder
    if I'm hearing it wrong, he's singing it wrong, or that's the 
    way it was written.

    Does anyone know how the original goes?  Thanks.
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Macca on MTV?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:04:42 GMT
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In article <1iuvuhINNbjt@crcnis1.unl.edu> cpeters@cse.unl.edu (Corey Peters) writes:

>Just a quick question:  I remember something being said about Macca 
>appearing on MTV for either an UpClose show or Unplugged II show.  I
>also remember it being close to the start of the new year.  However,
>I forgot the date.  If I haven't already missed it, could someone
>please e-mail the date to me...Thanks.

"Hope of Deliverance" is due in the US next Monday, January 18, 1993.

Paul McCartney's "(Un)Plugged" appearance previewing World Tour II, and
promoting "Off the Ground" will air on MTV February 3, 1993.   Many radio
stations are planning a simulcast, so those of you without benefit of stereo
television will still get to hear the broadcast in glorious stereo.

<ESC>
-- 
Something in the way she moves, attracts me like a pomegranate.
                                     -- George Harrison
From: fenick1@husc10.harvard.edu (Sharon Fenick)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: another cover...
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:33:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan8.103327.19096
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

>In <740059@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com> dennis@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Dennis Alstrand) writes:
>>In rec.music.beatles, "headly westerfield" <headly.westerfield@canrem.com> writes:
>>> What is your favourite Beatle cover?
>>I know you asked in the singular, but. . .
>>How about - what's your least favortite Beatle cover?

Well, the first is harder than the second.  My least favorite
Beatles cover is almost definitely either Rubber Soul or MMT,
and my most favorite...hmm...
	the Meet/With the Beatles cover for sheer artistic merit?
	the Please Please Me cover, with the second "years later"
		picture backing it up?
	the White Album cover for just being too cool?  
	A Hard Days Night or Let it Be or Abbey Road for great photos
		of our boys?
	or perhaps Revolver, because I love the cover to Georges
		12 inch single for When We Was...

I don't know...it's too hard, and I haven't read "The Art of the 
Beatles" (recommended highly) in way too long.

(yeah, I understood the original question.  I just think it's more
interesting this way...)

Sharon
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From: dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam)
Subject: Re: another cover...
Organization: Panix, (New Yawk City)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:09:57 GMT

In <740059@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com> dennis@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Dennis Alstrand) writes:
>In rec.music.beatles, "headly westerfield" <headly.westerfield@canrem.com> writes:
>> What is your favourite Beatle cover?
>I know you asked in the singular, but. . .
>How about - what's your least favortite Beatle cover?

	I thought the only covers that mattered were the ones by
	the FABS themselves    (i  know i know)

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From: petex@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Christian)
Subject: Re: buddy holly & the beatles
Reply-To: petex@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:37:00 +0000


> Didn't the Beatles do Words of Love (which Holly did)? I think they also
> did another Holly song on their very first album.

Words of Love is the only Holly song they released, but they certainly did
Crying Waiting Hoping on the radio - 6th Aug 63, according to "The
Beatles at the Beeb".

Peter


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From: dbk@cs.umd.edu (Dan Kozak)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Rutles (Re: Beatles video list)
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:25:21 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <1993Jan5.193811.6834@news.columbia.edu> brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan) writes:
>The Rutles film is increasingly funny, the more you know about the
>Beatles.  There's too much to catch in one viewing, it's so dense with
>parody detail.  I thank whoever it was (saki?) for pointing out that
>the reporter played by George Harrison is a lookalike for the Liverpool
>reporter who is also named George Harrison!

I'd figured out that this was the joke, since the original LP version
of the soundtrack has the film credits and says "George Harrison
George Harrison," but having never seen the reporter I didn't realize
that the joke had a visual aspect as well.

#dan

Clever:         dbk@cs.umd.edu    | "Softly her tower crumbled in the 
Not-so-clever:  uunet!mimsy!dbk   |  sweet silent sun." - Nabokov
From: Patrick_Dubbrow@ms.maus.de (Patrick Dubbrow)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: CD Singles and EPs
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 20:54:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet (Mitglied im IN e.V.)
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.16/hb

jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu wrote in BEATLES, A25382@HB:

J>Another thing is if you can find any stores that still have the old 3" CD
J>singles in stock, or ask them to order them (their wholesaler may still have
J>them).  Then you can get only those CD's that have alternates. Shall I post
J>lists?

That would be nice!

Greetings

Patrick
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: ifsa@quads.uchicago.edu (andrea m koziol)
Subject: Life and Times
Reply-To: ifsa@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:24:12 GMT

	Just this afternoon I heard a review of this film on the local arts
program here in Chicago.  As I'm sure most of you know, this film is about
the trip to Barcelona that Brian Epstein and John Lennon made in (early?)
1963.  (For Chicago-area folks: it's at the Music Box for one week only).

	The radio reviewer gave it a excellent review, saying the actors
caught the major personalities well, and concentrated on their friendship
rather than any physical intimacy they may have had (you know the rumors
about this trip) and hinted it was required viewing for Beatle fans.

	My question: Has anyone seen Life and Times?  Is it worth seeing?

andrea		ifsa@midway.uchicago.edu


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From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Sitar in Western Pop/Rock Music
Keywords: sitar beatles rock pop shankar
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:49:13 GMT
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1993Jan12.082457.10875@syma.sussex.ac.uk> stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter) writes:

>I tried to set the record straight (sorry about the pun there), and we
>got to looking for the ORIGIN of the sitar in 60's pop/rock.
>. . .  In one book we found reference to an earlier Kinks
>usage - what was it? When was it recorded, whence did Ray Davies get
>the idea?

Heh heh, I get to quote one of my prize e-mail messages.  This is from
Shel Talmy, who produced the Kinks recording in question!--

> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 92 18:57:31 PST
> From: Shel Talmy <deleted at his request>
> 
> The way it really happened, was that I was doing a LP with John
> Mark, later of Mark-Almond, and John was fascinated with Indian
> music, having heard Ravi Shankar(sp.).  so John wrote a song with
> an Indian type drone in it, but that was still melodic to Western
> ears.
> 
> I liked it a lot and asked John if he minded if I played it to
> Ray.  He didn't mind, and indeed, I played it for Ray, who loved
> it, and next day came up with "See My Friends".
> 
> We did not use a sitar on the session for 2 reasons.  We couldn't
> find one, and nobody could have played it if we had.  So, we tuned
> down a conventional guitar and double tracked it.  Ray played it
> by the way.
> 
> Lastly, unless I'm very mistaken, Ray had definately not gone to
> India before this session.  However, if it's any help, Ray could
> be found at any number of sloppy curry houses in London, where he
> could have acquired "the feeling" by osmosis. 
> 
> Meanwhile, back at the studio, all of us loved the record and
> couldn't wait to release it, as it was "new and different".
> Unfortunately, it was too "new and different", evidently, as I
> believe it was the lowest chart entry I ever had with a Kinks
> single.
> 
> As far as George hearing this record and being inspired to do his
> own thing, I don't know the answer to that, but it's certainly
> possible.

I think we established from the Kinks' authorized biography that Ray
really had toured through India by the time SMF was recorded.  It was
recorded in Spring 1965 if my memory is correct, but anyway it was
before "Help!" was issued.

--Joe Brennan
From: waltersm@logica.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatles video list
Date: 10 Jan 93 18:56:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.161418.21589@news.columbia.edu>, brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan) writes:
> In article <1993Jan6.210357.33@condor> waltersm@logica.co.uk writes:
> 
>>Which version of Yellow Submarine has been used for the video release?  My
>>understanding is that the original US release differed from the norm as it had
>>Hey Bulldog removed - can someone confirm this?  
> 
> The videotape marketed in the US within the past few years does not
> have "Hey Bulldog".  I think in answering this question, we may need
> to say which version or at least which country.  I hear YS is out of
> stock in the US now and someone will need to check the next release.
> Where is "Hey Bulldog" anyway?  Another live segment at the end, or what?
You know - I can't remember exactly!  Pretty close to the end - somewhere
in between Baby You're a Rich Man and It's all Too Much:  I think it fades
just before Ringo cuts Nowhere Man down from the tree.  The animation was
certainly to synch to Hey Bulldog as the `howling' dialogue at the end
is handled by `The Beatles' and `Sgt Peppers Band' trying to overwhelm the
Blue Meanies' dogs. 
>
>>Assuming this makes 2 versions, there is a 3rd which does have Hey Bulldog but
>>does not have Baby You're a Rich Man;  in place of Baby You're a Rich Man
>>(which fades in after Ringo puts his hole on the big glass ball) the
>>dialogue ("decanting"...) continues for about three minutes.  Since the
>>usually overlaps Baby... it would seem that this is actually a different
>>proper cut as opposed to it being tampered with for broadcast.
> 
> In filmmaking it is very common to put songs, dialogue, incidental
> music, and sound effects on different tracks.  I've never heard of this
> case before, but it really sounds like somebody goofed and didn't put
> in the song track there... if I'm understanding right that the visual
> is the same and the dialogue matches what is heard over the song?
From recollection, the dialogue ends after "decanting.. like coloured tele..."
and then Baby You're a Rich Man vocal takes off.  However, in the third version
(as I'll refer to it)  the dialogue continues for about 2 minutes with The
Beatles and Sgt Peppers Band exchanging `niceties' (I can check the tape if the
actual dialogue is important!) which are not in the other print in any shape
or form.  The `battle' sequence which cuts into Baby You're a Rich Man is
also missing from the `third' version - the next `song' on it being Hey
Bulldog.  I suppose it could be that this is the original UK print and what
hap happened in subsequent years is that Baby You're a Rich Man was re-edited
in to make as complete a version (music wise) as possible but due to the
overlap the dialogue was dropped for continuity.?!  I guess we really need
to know what was the content when the film was originally shown in the UK
around 68/69.

MCW
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