From: dimitri@cs.hw.ac.uk (Dimitrios Theotokis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: Greece Committed Systematic Genocide Against Jews And Muslims.
Date: 25 Jul 92 12:14:36 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <9207221003.A4540au@anadolu.michigan.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:
>
>
>
>
><92204.012717PXP111@psuvm.psu.edu>
><PXP111@psuvm.psu.edu>  Andronikos Romanos
>
>>    seem quite accurate. In contrast to KELLY  I am not saying it was a
>>    genocide but I'll acknowledge that the Turks were quite brutal. And
>>    this is my position. I checked the issue with the Jews of Thessalo-
>
>Most everyone who hasn't been fast asleep for the last ninety years has

Syntax error. Unable to understand adjevctive with adjective. Should be mostly

>heard the Greek Genocide of the 'Selanik' Muslims and Jews. Yet there
>are 'wieneramus' who persist in revising the history like tyrants. The
>following will raise your reputation as a 'revisionist.'
>
>
>Source: Professor Stanford J. Shaw, 'The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and the
>        Turkish Republic,' New York University Press, New York (1991).
>
>  page 194 (last paragraph):
>
>  <<Things were not much better elsewhere in Southeastern Europe or the
>   Greek islands of the Agean and the eastern Mediterranean. In 1891 the
>   Jews on Corfu were subjected to severe persecution by local Greeks due

Alas Corfu at that was part of the British epmire :-)
Get your facts right mateand your English (se above).


>   to the revival of the old ritual murder accusations [26]. Many of
>   those who survived found refuge in Ottoman territory with the help of a
>   popular subscription drive carried out in Istanbul under leadership of
>   the Banque Camondo. In 1881 and 1884, and again in 1892 and 1903,
>   thousands of Jews came to Ottoman territory as a result of pogroms
>   in Russia which went on between 1881 and 1921 with only slight periods
>   of respite. In 1899 Jewish families arrived in Istanbul in flight from
>   persecution in Vidin, in independent Bulgaria.
>
>   The conquest of Ottoman Thrace and Macedonia by Greek and Bulgarian
>   forces during the Balkan Wars (1912-13), including Salonica, Corlu,

 This is what I call stupidity. In 1996 Corfu was `given' by the British to the
 Greek nation. No Turks. Got it.

>   and Edirne, was followed by general attacks on Jews, their synangogues,
>   homes and shops, in both countries [27], resulting in a renewed exodus
>   toward Istanbul and beyond. Two reports from Salonica graphically
>   described the situation caused by the invading armies:
>
>      'All the self-interested justifications of the newspapers of Europe,
>      all the lies which they have used to cover up the truth, can never
>      destroy the impression of the terrible anguish which has marked the
>      entry of the Greeks in Salonica. A week of terror and horror one can
>      never easily forget. The Hellenes now cruelly feel today all the
>      damage that the explosion of hatred by the (Greek) population has done
>      to their cause. The mob has shown itself odious and the government
>      weak...The incompetence of the Greek administration and the horrors
>      inflicted by the soldiers has put them in a terrible situation. The
>      consuls guaranteed the absolute safety of the Muslims, but sixty of
>      them were massacred in a single night....'[28]
>
>     'It wasn't only irregulars (Comitacis) who massacred, pillaged and
>      burned. The soldiers of the Army, the Chief of Police, and the high
>      civil officials took an active part in the events at Serres. Out of
>      6,000 houses, 4,000 were burned. Almost 1,200 shops were consumed by
>      flames and destructive bombs. The (Jewish) population lost all, and
>      without even anything to wear is in despair. Everyone wants to
>      emigrate...'[29]
>
>  page 196:
>
>    <<As a result of these assaults, massacres, and forced deportations from
>   the independent countries of Southeastern Europe, the Ottoman Empire
>   received literally thousands of Jewish refugees who joined the Muslims
>   who survived the persecution, flooding into the Empire...>>
>
>[26] Pearl L. Preschel, The Jews of Corfu (Greece), Unpublished Ph.D.
>    dissertation, New York University, 1984.

I that is what he is quoting in his Ph.D thesis then someone should strip he
doctorate of him.!!
Invalid facts.

>
>[27] Leon Sciaky, Farewell to Salonica: Portrait of an Era (New York, 1946);
>    Edgar Morin, Vidal et les Siens (Paris, Seuil, 1989), 55-67; Paul Dumont,
>    'The Social Structure of the Jewish Community of Salonica at the end of
>    the nineteenth century', Southeastern Europe V (1979), 33-72; Galante,
>    Turcs VIII, 18-21; Rodrigue, pp.178-80.
>
>[28] A. Cohen, Ecole Secondaire Moise Allatini, Salonica, to AIU, Paris,
>   no.7745/7, 4 December 1912, in AIU Archives I C 49.
>
>[29] Mizrahi, President of AIU at Salonica, to AIU (Paris), no.2704/3,
>   25 July 1913. In AIU Archives (Paris) I C 51.
>
>( AIU = Alliance Israelite Universelle, Paris. )
>
>
>Hasan B-) Mutlu
>
>                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
>                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
>                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
>                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
>                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)

I suggest Mr Multu that you take a serious look at you intellectual ability to
reproduce unfounded facts. A good researcher, as you seem to wish to present
yourself, double and triple checks his/her facts before publishing.
I take it you must be  frustated with the fact that you cannot get anything
right. Fortunately there is a solution to this problem: Take a hike!!!!


Dimitri.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:8168 soc.culture.pakistan:12938