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From: asylvain@felix.filenet.com (The_Chipmunk)
Newsgroups: ca.politics
Subject: Re: School vouchers
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:16:29 GMT
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Reply-To: asylvain@fritz.filenet.com (The_Chipmunk)
Organization: Foundation for the Increased Wealth of Chipmunks

Gentlebeings:

If you're going to continue this discussion of whether or not the state
should involve itself with property rights, I'd like to suggest that
somebody update the Subject: line.

You folks haven't talked about School Vouchers in a good long while.

-- 
The Chipmunk.
Opinions are mine, void where prohibited, taxed, licensed or regulated.
If they ban marriage, only outlaws will have in-laws.
From: mholling@pollux.usc.edu (Michelle Hollinger)
Newsgroups: ca.politics
Subject: Re: Hersh and Seventh Veil
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:02:26 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <athos-051192141509@kip2-40.apple.com> athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:

>> I am outraged at your feeble attempt to defame the character of a man like
>> Bob Mulholland. Your post was riddled with unsubstantiated accusations,
>> opinion, and out-right lies.
>
>Deal with it.  It was far more honest than the tactics of this loser.  If
>he was so right, why was he suspended?

** Mr. Mulholland did nothing that was dishonest. To the contrary, he 
uncovered a disgraceful truth about a political candidate. Furthermore,
he was suspended only because the actions he took were not authorized by 
the California Democratic Party or the Boxer campaign.
  
>> Bob Mulholland is a very honest, hard-working, caring man. His only fault
>> is that he cares too much.
>
>Oh, please.

** Absolutely brilliant response on your part! You obviously know nothing about
this man. Everybody who knows him , including his adversaries, has a great
deal of respect for his character.

>> In regards to the Hercshensohn story, Bob acted as a concerned citizen, not
>> as Political Director.
>> 
>> Can you blame him?
>
>Yes, because he's done it to others.  He's no better than the slimeball
>that set up a 900 line with the Gennifer Flowers tapes.

** Once again, Mr. Mulholland only spoke the truth. Mr. Mulholland simply 
revealed the fact that Hersch. visited the Seventh Veil, a fact which was 
confirmed by the candidate himself. In addition, your point about the 900
number is irrelevent and nonsensical. The difference between the two is
as vast as the difference between Boxer and Hersch.

>> Mr. Mulholland took it upon himself to make sure this man did not make it
>> to the US Senate. He risked his career to make sure that people really knew
>> who they were voting for.
>
>Maybe he should have just asked his candidate to <gasp> debate her
>opponent.  What a novel thought...actually debate...wow.

** Boxer did debate Hersch. in an event sponsored by AARP. If you were truely
educated as to this race, you would have either been there or watched it on TV.

Face it, you have made several unsubstantiated,slanderous remarks about Bob
Mulholland which are not going to have any effect on my feelings or the 
feelings of people who have any true knowledge of this man and this issue.
You have obviously learned the Republican/tabloid trick of preying on the
uneducated.If anyone is guilty of mudslinging it is you.I really have no
interest in pursuing an argument of this nature any further.
 
							Michelle Hollinger
From: dchuk@netcom.com (Denise Chuk)
Subject: Re: San Francisco Earthquake 89
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:14:31 GMT


In article <1dsdflINNj1h@male.EBay.Sun.COM> 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM
(Renie Maycon) writes:
>I want to know what you were doing when the earthquake hit 
>tell me what you were doing and where were you?

I was sitting in my dorm on the eleventh floor of a twelve story building,
working on my dissertation.  Fortunately, I was about to finish up to watch
the "Bay Bridge Series", and thus everything was saved.  When the room started
to sway, I said to myself: Earthquake! without being too concerned, but then
the swaying really got worse.  My stereo, TV, speakers went flying across
the room and landed on the floor.  Bookcases toppled, and half of my books
were dumped on the floor.  All the while I was holding on to my Mac for
dear life, completely forgotton about ducking under the desk since my mind
was solely concerned about saving my computer and the dissertation in it.
It was quite surreal to see all those heavy items flying in the air, and
the walls swaying at least a feet to and fro. Everything seemed to be 
happening in slow motion.  After quite a long time, at least to me
it seemed, the quake finally stopped.  I had to crawl over piles of books,
broken glasses, and speaker boxes to the door.  The funny thing was that the
living room which was my roommate's room (yeah, I lived in one of those
one bedroom dorm for two grad. students), everything was neat and tidy as
if nothing happened.  I went to the hallway and met my next door neighbour,
both of us quite unsure of what to do next. Then, whem, the second quake
started, and both of us scrambled down the stairs in record time. :-)

Outside the building we were told by the university people that we could not
get back in until the building was inspected and proven safe, so I hopped
into my car along with several other students (some I didn't even know) and
drove away looking for something to eat. The whole Palo Alto was quite dead,
no electricity, no traffic lights, etc.  We finally found a place that was
open, and it was then that the severity of the whole thing became clear,
as TV stations started to bring in reports.

Later, I decided to go back to my dorm, and since my roommate, who was not
even there when the quake happened, refused to sleep on the 11th floor that
night, I was alone in the dorm, watching her TV and getting hypersensitive
to any tiny little movement of the building.  My room was a total mess, and
it took me days to finally cleaned it up.

All in all, it was a very unique experience, feeling a 7.0 quake on the 
upper stories of a highrise. 























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Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent --Salvor Hardin
From: 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: San Francisco Earthquake 89
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:53:57 GMT
Reply-To: 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon)
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts4.ebay.sun.com

I want to know what you were doing when the earthquake hit 

tell me what you were doing and where were you?
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
From: eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: San Francisco Earthquake 89
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 20:57:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.195511.9500@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM
(Richard Ottolini) writes:
>In the Stanford math library on the fourth floor.
>*All* of the books fell off and formed waist-deep piles between the stacks.

Didn't that create some sort of asbestos hazard for weeks?

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From: broberts@ocf.berkeley.edu (Bryce Roberts)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: San Francisco Earthquake 89
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:05:38 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: planecrash.berkeley.edu

From broberts Thu Nov 12 15:02:15 1992
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:02:06 -0800
From: Bryce Roberts <broberts>
Message-Id: <199211122302.AA12596@planecrash.berkeley.edu>
To: broberts@ocf
Status: R

The Loma Prieta EQ hit when I was in high school. At that time I
was attending an ROP machining class with my dad out in Pittsburg
after school until about 8 PM. 
 
When the earthquake hit I was just leaving the metal store room,
a small corner of the shop dedicated to storing material, like
1.5" cold rolled steel bars 10 ft. long. Being a native
Californian I didn't react at first since I thought it would be a
short jolt, but when it intensified I decided to run for a door
frame. After a few seconds I realized this was going to be the
worst quake I'd ever lived through (of course I haven't been
around very long). I remember having to brace myself in the door
jam because the swaying was so strong it made me lose my sense of
balance. 
 
The building was very light in construction, so although it
wasn't very strong it also wasn't heavy enough to collapse under
the stress. Actually the building held up very well, but because
the roof was made up of overlapping metal sheets it made one hell
of a racket for about 15 seconds. The suspended neon lamps and
the overhead steam heating pipes swung for a while after the
quake.
 
Almost unbelievably, nothing happened - no windows broke, the
cement didn't crack, and nothing crashed to the ground. The power
lines didn't come down. Only the radio went out. As a consequence
for a good half hour we didn't realize how serious the earthquake
had been. It was eerie turning on the radio later and finding out
what had happened to the Bay Bridge and the Cyprus structure. 
Later that night, driving back towards the coast, we could see
what we thought was smoke from the various fires in San Francisco
hanging in the air on the other side of the Berkeley Hills. 
 
Much has been made of animals predicting earthquakes. About an
hour before the earthquake hit, when my dad and I were just
entering Pittsburg, we noticed 20 or more large birds flying
around in circles over a local park. Before that day and ever
since then we've never seen that many birds in the air over the
park, so you have to wonder if some precursor made them nervous.
I'm not making any scientific claims here - I wouldn't want to
see the dense array at Parkfield replaced by a cage of buzzards -
- but it was unusual.
 
--broberts@ocf.berkeley.edu
 
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: San Francisco Earthquake 89
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:55:11 GMT

In the Stanford math library on the fourth floor.
*All* of the books fell off and formed waist-deep piles between the stacks.
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
From: aviva@ultra.com (Aviva Garrett)
Subject: Richter scale question
Reply-To: aviva@ultra.com ()
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 18:07:42 GMT

In a recent article in _The_New_Yorker_ (21 September 1992),
John McPhee makes the following statement (on page 90):

  Gutenberg did not see or hear well and was understandably
  reluctant to deal with reporters. He generally asked his young
  colleague Charles F. Richter to explain the scale to them.
  Since I have no idea how the scale works, let me say only that
  it is a mathematically derived combination of three scales
  parallel to one another: a magnitude scale flanked by scales of
  amplitude and distance. (Amplitude is the height of the mark
  an earthquake produces on a seismogram.) Where a line drawn
  between amplitude and distance crosses the central scale, it
  registers magnitude. With each rising integer on the magnitude
  scale, an earthquake's waves have ten times as much amplitude
  and thirty times as much energy. Richter always insisted that
  is was the Gutenberg-Richter scale.

(Earlier, John McPhee also says, "[Richter's] scale ... is
understood by professors at Caltech and a percentage of the rest
of the population too small to be expressible as a number" @:-)

This statement did not make sense to my husband, a physicist, so
I am asking for some net.wisdom.

(1) Is the explanation of the three scales correct?

(2) Does the energy really increase by a factor of 30? My
    husband though it would be 3.

Thanks for any explanations,
..Aviva


-- 
Aviva Garrett
Ultra Network Technologies / 101 Daggett Drive / San Jose CA 95134
aviva@ultra.com  ...!ames!ultra!aviva  (408) 922-0100
From: drake@Autodesk.COM (Dan Drake)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: San Francisco Earthquake 89
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:29:49 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon) writes:
> I want to know what you were doing when the earthquake hit 
> 
> tell me what you were doing and where were you?

I was sitting at my desk looking at my display.  What else could one be
doing at 5:0something in the afternoon?  What I was working on, however,
has somehow been blotted out of my brain.

BTW the nasty shake of the previous July had finally scared me (native
Californian who used to giggle at earthquakes); for the first time ever,
I ran for cover.  It could have something to do with large amounts of
glass on both sides of the office, which the hallway lacked.

An hour later three of us sat outside (where there was light) and
conducted a job interview.  We saw a lot of smoke rising from behind the
hills, but we had no notion of the horror that was going on in the
Marina district a few miles south of us; after all, our offices were
essentially undamaged.  Such is the capriciousness of a natural disaster.
A few miles north, the electricity never even went off!


--
Dan Drake                 In software, the *complete* design *is* the software!
drake@Autodesk.com        --Hugh Lamaster
From: lau@sunset.ai.sri.com (Stephen Lau)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: San Francisco Earthquake 89
Date: 14 Nov 92 02:08:33 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM's message of 12 Nov 92 01:53:57 GMT


    Orginally from Hayward, I was then living in San Diego. I had just gotten off
work and was sitting in a carpool with a friend of mine when we turned on 
the radio. The first words we heard was, "Portions of the Bay Bridge have
collapsed. There are unconfirmed reports of cars in the water. At least 
one large fire has been spotted in San Francisco." We both looked at each
other and couldn't believe what we were hearing. Although I had moved
down to San Diego, my entire family was still living in the Bay Area.

    We rushed to the first carpooler's house and turned on the news. There
were pictures of the car dangling from the Bay Bridge and the fire in the
marina district. The clincher however was the collapsed Cypress structure. The
announcer had no idea where or what it was on the screen, he just thought it
was a collapsed single layer freeway, not double. My father's store is about
three blocks away from the Cypress structure and I recognized it immediately.
The first thing I thought was, "The freeway is bumper to bumper during rush
hour." I remember wishing that the film crew would just scoot over three blocks
or so to see if my father's store was still in one piece.

    Anyway...at around 9pm that evening I got a cellular phone call from
my parents. The phones were still out but they were able to call from a car
phone. They had no idea where one of my sisters was, the other was accounted for.
She was a nurse so she had immediately rushed to a local hospital to help out.

    I remember thinking how incredible those pictures were the first time
I saw it. The collapsed Bay Bridge and Cypress Structure was just overwhelming.


    So...is everyone prepared for the next one?

Steve

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From: c@wet.UUCP (Chuck Charlton)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: Richter scale question
Date: 7 Nov 92 18:57:53 GMT
Followup-To: Richter Scale
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

The Earthquake Magnitude Scale, from which Dr. Charles F. Richter has asked
that his name be removed, has changed somewhat over the years, and is now
expressed mathematically by

	log (E) = 11.8 + 1.5M, where

	E is the total energy released, in ergs
	log is a base ten logarithm
	M is the Magnitude number

This formula is particularly difficult for electrical engineers to understand,
since they have always used a coefficient of 1 in their decibel scale, and
the coefficient of 1.5 in the earthquake magnitude scale renders the first
dozen statements on the subject by hip-shooting EEs unreliable.

Good luck.

Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
From: dipakb@sco.COM (Dipak Basu)
Subject: Re: San Francisco Earthquake 89
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:30:14 GMT


In article <1dsdflINNj1h@male.EBay.Sun.COM> 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon) writes:
>I want to know what you were doing when the earthquake hit
>
>tell me what you were doing and where were you?

My wife was working at her terminal in Cupertino when the EQ hit.
I was travelling in India.  It was early morning there when it
happened.

The first thing she did after it stopped was to pick up the phone
to call me.  She got through but I didn't get the message.  About four
hours later someone told me about the EQ and that the Bay Bridge
had collapsed!  Not being able to get through I called some friends
in L.A. who "confirmed" the Bay Bridge news.  Man, was I worried.
Neither I, nor my wife, could get a call into or
out of the Bay Area until ten hours after the event.   
When we did link up, I was very happy......

Dipak.
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: December AGU meeting
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:10:09 GMT


The abstracts came out late last week.
There are in the journal called EOS and describe the meeting to occur in
San Francisco Dec 7-11.
One session I forget to mention in the earlier posting were the Union sessions
on Hazard Mitigation.  These contain a dozen talks on rapid seismological
data access systems.

There are about a hundred talks on Landers quake sequence.
No big surprises to me so far.  I was hoping to see more people claim they
saw precusors in the geophysical data.  In fact there people still patiently
and unsuccessfully trying to find precursors from the Lome Prieta quake three
years ago.
From: helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: San Francisco Earthquake 89
Date: 12 Nov 1992 08:42:46 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <1dsdflINNj1h@male.EBay.Sun.COM> 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon) writes:
>I want to know what you were doing when the earthquake hit 
>
>tell me what you were doing and where were you?
>

Oddly enough, I felt the Loma Prieta earthquake here in L.A.

I had just laid down to take a nap and was beginning to nod off when I
felt a very long wavelength swaying. Being in a prone position, completely
motionless, I noticed the oscillation and thought to myself (in
a very drowsy and almost dreamlike state) "God, that must be an earthquake
but it must be one hell of a long way off to have that long a wavelength."
Then I thought, "jeez, if it's that far away, it must be incredibly
strong". Then I slipped off into my nap. That was a few minutes after 5 pm,
and since the earthquake occurred at 5:04, it was probably 80 seconds
or so later (400 miles, 5 miles/second).

I woke up just before 6:30, having forgotten completely about having
felt anything. Since I have been studying Spanish for a couple of years,
I sometimes watch the news en Espanol. I turned on L.A.'s channel 34
to catch the news and the first thing I hear is "un gran terremoto terrible
en San Francisco". I switched to NBC and there was the Bay Bridge in an
obvious state of disrepair. That shocked me into remembering what I had
felt an hour or so earlier as I fell into my nap. 

Interestingly, I have now become somewhat more attuned to noticing
distant earthquakes by the gentle sway and have, since that time,
felt perhaps five or six quakes during this falling-asleep-for-a-nap
period. (I take a hour-or-so nap nearly every day starting about
4:30-5:00 pm.) Many of the smaller aftershocks of the Landers and Big Bear
quakes as well as some in Nevada have been detectable while lying in bed
at night when they didn't even rattle the house.

(I have a couple of 2'x3' framed prints in the bedroom that are hanging
on heavy picture wire to heavy hooks on the wall. The weight of the
prints puts the picture wire in fairly serious tension and the combination
makes an exquisitely sensitive instrument for detecting minor quakes.
Audible sound will issue from this wire with very very small quakes,
particularly when there is vertical acceleration involved.)
From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Re: San Francisco Earthquake 89
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:56:13 GMT


It was a very hot day.  My dog was a 4-month-old puppy and she'd been
unable to get comfortable enough to sleep, so I blocked off the back
hallway of my San Francisco flat (Church and Market) and let her out so she
could go lay down on the cool bathroom floor.  I was in the living room,
watching the World Series.

The jolt was incredible.  I was on the third floor of a wood (1894)
Victorian, but it's built on two foundations.  I was in the northwest
corner of the building and it was really whipping around.  I found out
later it brought the chimney down (*over me* but didn't go through the
roof).  All I heard was the cacaphony of everything emptying out of the
kitchen cupboards and my poor puppy running around barking hysterically.
Having to center my attention on *her* probably helped me.

We lost all power (it was out for 24 hours).  I checked the bathroom out
to make sure nothing could hurt the dog, then I shut her in there while
I made tracks outside--along with most of the population of that part of
town.  The brick church next door had lost a whole wall over a walkway,
but fortunately no one had been on it when the wall came down.  Somebody
brought out a boom box and we listened to KCBS in a sort of stunned
disbelief.  A police car drove by slowly.

My roommate got home about an hour and a half later (she had to walk up
Market Street from downtown--there were just streams of people in the
street walking home).  I surveyed the damage in the kitchen and started
cleaning up while it was still a little light.  I lost quite a lot of
crystal and almost all of the cupboards were empty.  The refrigerator
was 6 inches away from the wall.  But all of the damage was centered on
the living room and kitchen--bad cracks in the living room ceiling and
wall.

After dark, a friend in the neighborhood came over and we listened to
the radio huddled up in the living room with a flashlight.  Electricity
was out but not gas and even though the pizza restaurant down the
street had lost its front window, they were doing land-office business
and we treated ourselves to pizza for dinner, too.

The oddest sight was the lights on the Mint--they must have generator
power--and above that, the Goodyear Blimp in the sky.  Everything else
was completely dark.  It was quite surreal.

I didn't sleep that night.