From: pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU (Stephen Grossman)
Subject: God exists...
Reply-To: pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:51:42 GMT

	re Lamb's "proof"  of God
	Everything exists, literally everything. A rock, an emotion, electrons, 
reason, people, the past, the future, God, and the non-existence of God. It all 
exists. Forget, for a moment, epistemology. Just consider metaphysics. 
	God exists-within a certain limit or context. Eg, error, imagination, 
emotion, the Bible, symbol manipulation. Always identify limit before studying 
inside the limit. God exists-as marks on a computer screen. As faith, etc, etc. 
	Don't always think that other person is using objective reality as a 
limit or context. Ask! Widen the context to determine if other person's limit 
or context is acceptable. A theist might say God is in objective reality  but, 
upon questioning, hold that objective reality is Platonic, supernatural 
dimension. Then Objectivists can agree: God is supernatural BUT the 
supernatural is product of imagination or error. Keep widening context until 
you understand others' context or limit. Don't bother with truth until 
metaphysics has been established. Eg, It is imaginatively true that god exists. 
Objectivist can say that if imagination establishes truth, then its true that 
god exists. BUT, truth from knowledge, not imagination SO Objectivist doesn't 
value imaginative truth.
	Don't be drawn into others' context or limit until you study it.
	If theist says God created existence, ask for his understanding of 
existence. Theists say existence doesn't really exist but need God to really 
exist. Objectivists can agree: if existence doesn't really exist, yes, then, in 
that limit or context, God. BUT, from Objectivism, existence exists (and thats 
all there is to say) then, within THAT limit, god does not exist. Stay within 
your limit, all the way, all throughout your limit OR intellectual opponent 
will find contradiction, enter, and destroy objectivism.
	Notice that Im not using epistemology, just metaphysics.
	Again, if theist says existence is "brute" fact needing God for order, 
Objectivist should agree (within THAT limit). BUT, existence is identity (or 
order) and does not need God to end chaos, since no chaos in first place. So, 
since existence is identity, there is no real God. 
	If theist uses Bible for "proof" ask for his philsophy of understanding
Bible! Accept only Objectivism as philosphy for understanding Bible-and then 
reject God. If theist says supernaturalism or subjectivism is philsophy for 
understandingf bible, say OK, but you don't value those philosophies. 
	*******Always keep meta basics in mind.***************

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