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From: am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: cat boarding
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:58:36 GMT
Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


I wanted to thank everyone who posted and sent me email about my boarding
questions.  Almost everyone advised AGAINST boarding, mainly because cats
don't like to be outside of their familiar surroundings.

I really don't have a choice.  I really don't want friends to stop in
just to feed them and I can't expect them to stay for hours everyday
nor do I want to enlist the help of a professional "cat sitter" (I didn't
even know such people existed!).

I do have a co-worker who offered to take Gracie into her home (she has a
1 year old cat) and while that was a very tempting offer I declined because
of Gracie's tendency to poop on the carpet.  (Yes, I had the problem solved
for a short time but she started up again.)  The woman has a brand new home
and I just can't subject her and her carpets to that in good conscience.

So I'll board her and post of the experience when I return.

(Incidentally, I talked at length with my vet today about this pooping
problem and she gave me some excellent suggestions which I'm going to
try.  If (when?) something works I'll post about it in the event others
are going through the same thing.)

Anna
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: hbh@athena.mit.edu (Heidi Hammel)
Subject: Re: Cats that fetch
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:32:55 GMT

Toby will fetch sometimes, but the *only* thing he will fetch is a little
crotchetted oreo cookie.  It used to be a refrigerator magnet before he
appropriated it as a cat toy.  Jessie and Peanut play with the oreo, but
are not interested in fetching.

A word of caution about toys: an oft-recommended homemade cat toy is one
of those plastic doo-hickies that come off the top of milk containers.  
Never again for my cats.  Peanut actually chewed up and ate one of them! 
I discovered this unpleasantly - after noticing he had a bloody anus and
discovering bits of plastic in his feces.  I never let them play with
these now, and *especially* not with those *wire* twist ties!  Somehow,
though, Peanut keeps finding twist ties - I wish I could track down his
secret stash (I keep them in a drawer which I'm sure he can't open).....
--

    Heidi B. Hammel   (hbh@astron.mit.edu)   MIT 54-416   EAPS Dept.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: hui@apaturia.trl.OZ.AU (Alvaro Hui)
Subject: Any Good "natural" food for cat beside canned one??
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:54:59 GMT

Hi,
   I found that my cat is getting sick of canned & dry
food and I want to give her some change....:) :)

   Any good food recommendations beside those specially made
for cats ( i mean those 'pet' food off the self )??

  All I can think of is milk and other diary products...

  Also, how can I make sure she get enough vitamins/minerals...
  The reason I give her 'pet' food all the time because
those food is advertised to contain xxx, yyyyy, ttt which
is essential to healthy cats....


Geee, I really really love my cat!!

Alvaro, Constance
AND cutety!!
a.hui@trl.oz.au
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: What to name a male BLACK kitten...
From: dragel@sqhilton.pc.cs.cmu.edu (Cheryl Dragel)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:16:43 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Nov10.053636.4250@fcom.cc.utah.edu> holmbeck@cs.weber.edu  
(Holmbeck) writes:
> Well, I've loved reading what you've all thought about male
>  white kittens, how about male Black kittens. :)
> 
> -- Laura

How about "Tux" (as in Tuxedo)?

--cheryl
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From: mdr@netcom.com (Marc D. Rossner)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats,rec.pets
Subject: Re: the presidential cat
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:34:11 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.cats
Organization: Taos Mountain Software


Time Magazine got a lot of reader response from cat-lovers last year when they
showed a picture of Gorbachev with his cat, Murrat.  Lots of people wanted to 
know what the name meant -- the answer was that in Russian cats "murr" instead
of "purr".  Anyway, most of these letters said that the fact that Gorby was a
cat-lover proved he must really have a good heart and good intentions.

Marc Rossner (and Vincent and Theo -- co-presidents of 3609 Ramona Circle)
mdr@netcom.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: thiessen@emr1.emr.ca (Tracy Thiessen)
Subject: Re: Bubbles likes to eat my hair. Help!!
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:30:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.124148.24105@cs.nott.ac.uk> cczcole@mips.nott.ac.uk (Marlon Cole) writes:
>In article <1992Nov8.203931.22195@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, vboynton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Virginia R Boynton) writes:
>|> In article <1992Nov8.191252.28170@math.ucla.edu> ramirez@julia.math.ucla.edu (A
>|> lice Ramirez) writes:
>|> >My wonderful, delightful fluffy brown tabby, Bubbles, has developed
>|> >a fairly annoying passion of late...that of trying to eat my hair.
>|>

My sympathies. Doug, my WHITE AND TABBY (coincidence? I 
think not), has adopted the equally annoying and highly
embarrassing habit of licking OTHER people's hair.  The less
he knows the person, the better, and he's up on the back
of the couch just a lappin' away. We've tried to explain to him
that not all people love cats as we do, to no avail. Of course,
after peeling Doug off their heads, we interview our hapless guest/victim
as to what he/she uses as shampoo and/or styling aid, and there's no
correlation. Once the person has been over a few times (if we can
ever convince them to come BACK), Doug loses interest. 












>

>
From: jsmt@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Julia Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Spaying cat? HELP!
Date: 8 Nov 92 04:33:23 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <1992Nov8.032113.15373@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> barlow@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Rebel) writes:
(concern about spaying cat deleted for sake of space)
  
Please please please please please - if you love your cat, do not force
it to go through the misery of not being spayed.  To quote Anitra Frazier:
Unspayed female cats generally become high-strung, nervous, and jumpy.
they are usually thin and debilitated.  Going through heat after heat
drains their body.  They easily fall victim to any disease germ that
happens to be around -- their resistance is very low.  The female's ovaries
manufacture eggs with each heat.  Unlike humans these eggs are not released
and passed out of the body, but remain there unless/until the cat is 
fertilized.  If the cat goes through heat and is not fertilized, these
unused eggs are encysted.  Cystic ovaries are a sign of a female who
has gone into heat several times before being spayed.  
  Neutered cats are spared the constant stress of being in heat.  Being
in heat is painful and debilitating - it takes alot out of the cat and
is very stressful.  Do you really want to put your baby through that kind
of constant pain?
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: mary@zmax.com (Mary Papp)
Subject: Re: Kitty's 1st christmas!
Organization: Z/Max Computer Solutions, Inc.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:48:55 GMT


>I have a friend with many cats, all of whom apparently liked to play in the
>Christmas tree.  As I recall, the cats would hide in the tree and drop down onto
>unsuspecting guests.  Her kids, of course, found this highly amusing.  I'm not
>sure how the guests reacted.

This is really funny.  Sounds like the cat is more like a cheetah that a 
domesticated cat.   I wonder how they hid without making the tree fall over.

When I was small, one of our cats decided to climb the tree.  It fell over and
scared him so bad that he would run away whenever he saw any christmas tree
decorations.  The tree was pretty messed up and my mom was not pleased.  I 
thought it was funny as hell.

Love them kitties....

Mary (and Slash)



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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: seanm@sobeco.com (s.macguire)
Subject: Re: My cat has a check-cashing card
Organization: Sobeco Ernst & Young
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 18:36:25 GMT

In <1992Nov06.155206.13739@sco.com> ruthc@sco.COM (cross index) writes:


>In article <1992Nov5.150722.13238@icd.teradyne.com> toftner@icd.teradyne.com writes:
>>Many years ago, I changed my phone listing to 'Clarence and Elizabeth ...' 
>>to cut down on obscene phone calls.

American Express has given a card to our cat, under my roomate's name and
card; we just filled out the form:

Name:		Dr. Xenophon Hector Fong
Profession:	Doctor of Philosophy
Age:		23 (cat years or so)
Relationship:	Friend

We held his paw, and signed the application.  6 weeks later voila!.
He just liked chewing on it...

p.s.	we cancelled it, just in case he got out...
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats,rec.pets
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Pig farts...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:05:00 GMT

teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (A. Lani Teshima) writes:

>In article <Bx6Fuw.Cr@ais.org> tim@ais.org (Tim Tyler) writes:

>>   I dunno what your oinker eats, but my child eats a lot of 'pig-chow' that
>>has a lot of grains in it, as well as a lot of grass, weeds, & stuff.
>> 
>>   I think the grass is what causes it.  I don't think there's much that can
>>be done to stop it, & of course you can't blame the piggy...

	Indeed, it is the grass that causes it.  Green plants, especially
those that are fresh, tend to work better at creating methane than the
more high-protein diet of the grains.

>My friend says they sell this thing called "Beano" at the supermarkets
>that you're supposed to put into bean dishes (it's a liquid with
>eyedroppers or something) that keeps you from building bean-based
>gasses. i wonder if it would work for pigs, too.

	The digestive tract of a pig is amazingly similar to that of
a human.  I'd suggest you change your oinkers diet, though.  Pork
producers have gotten pig diet down to a pretty exact science.  You
should be able to hit any grain elevator or feed store to get what
you need.  If you buy your grain in bulk, they'll be happy to mix it
for you.  Back home, it was a 3lb can of 80% cracked corn, 15% soybeans,
4% wheat, and 1% feed suppliment (typically anti-biotics for things
like scours, and vitamin suppliments) twice a day.  This was enough
to maintain weight during cool weather.  Rations got cut in the summer
and were added to in the winter.  With practice, you'll be able to
tell just how fat your oinker is and how much to increase or decrease
their rations.

	I know you're probably not intending to sell your pet at the
local sale barn, but keeping a healthy pet is no different than
feeding livestock so far as nutrition goes, and the subtle differences
can be factored out by whoever sells you the feed.  A vet experienced
in hog operations should be very helpful too.

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<  "This isn't an answer, it's a pagan dance around a midnight fire  >
<   written in intellectual runes." -- Rich Young                    >

Organization: Electrical & Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 09:40:56 -0500 
From: Meg Alison Veily <mv0t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: cats and music (was: Re: other monsters....)
	<Bx6vH8.39w@cck.coventry.ac.uk>

Well, I received a judgement on my flute playing from Brilla. Normally,
she naps on my bed, and one evening when I wanted to practice, there she
was, laying on my spread. I close my bedroom door when I practice (in
courtesy of my roommates), and Brilla didn't seem to want to leave, so I
closed her in with me. Well, that didn't last long. After acouple of
scales, she was sitting at the door, staring up at the knob. I let her
out. I think it was probably the high pitches which bothered her,
because I am a decent player, although maybe she has been spoiled by the
James Galway tapes that I have. :-)

-Meg
From: ccspjs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Pete J Suters)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: WHAT TO NAME A WHITE MALE KITTEN
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:27:07 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK


  Ok, I think this is definately part of the 'white motif' but how
about "Frosty" or "Frost" or "Jack" (as in Jack Frost).
  Just a thought ...

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From: cyndie@sequent.com (Cyndie Sutherland)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Kitty's 1st christmas!
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:01:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Nov11.190156.26088
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.


I love this topic.  My husband and I have agonized over this for 2
years now with our one cat.  He is quite large and loves to climb up
into the tree and pretend he's an ornament!  Inevitably the trees
falls over.  I think we'll try the ceiling hook idea this year!!

cyndie
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon Berger)
Subject: Re: What to name a male BLACK kitten...
Reply-To: jonb@ingres.com
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:59:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.053636.4250@fcom.cc.utah.edu> holmbeck@cs.weber.edu  
(Holmbeck) writes:
> Well, I've loved reading what you've all thought about male
>  white kittens, how about male Black kittens. :)

We named our black female Bela, after Lugosi; it's really a male name,
but since it's more commonly pronounced than written, it works out ok.
Bela got the name by being a vampiric bloodsucker: when she was about
eight weeks old, I was feeding her some bean dip by scooping it on my
finger and letting her lick it off.  When she got to the end of the lump
of bean dip, she kept right on eating, not having learned to distinguish
between live and dead food yet.  I flung her across the room -- reflex
reaction -- and that's when we named her.

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From: sstockw1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Sarah Stockwell)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats,rec.pets
Subject: Re: the presidential cat
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:04:50 GMT
Organization: CC

In article <BxGJ46.Exy@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>,
jereese@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (jean reese) writes:
> 
> In article <1dm0tjINNoj9@FUNCTOR.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU> loosemore-sandra@cs.yale.edu (Sandra Loosemore) writes:
> >Actually, I've read that Clinton himself claims to be allergic to
> >cats.  Socks hangs out with Chelsea Clinton instead.
> >
> >-Sandra
> 
> 
> Also, I've read that "Socks" is actually spelled "Sox."
> Not that I'm an authority or anything; I just saw it in the paper.
> 
> Jean

But it was a great image, nonetheless!  I, too, am pleased to have a cat
taking ownership of the White House. :-)

--Sarah
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Andy Lipscomb)
Subject: Cats in mourning
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 20:24:07 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

Has anyone out there known of interesting things cats do when another cat in a
house dies?  We just lost Jaws to feline leukemia (yes, he had his shots, but
the vet tells us the vaccine fails to work on 10% of cats--any thoughts on
that?)  Lightning, his littermate, wouldn't eat for a week and a half.  Also,
she went out every day, killed a chipmunk, and left it where Jaws would always
take his kills to eat them.

BTW, Lightning has tested negative for FeLV, as has Misty (our third cat).
We have a new one named Max, who is driving the others (especialy Misty) crazy.


Andy Lipscomb
lipscoja@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Bitnet: lipscoja@vuctrvax)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: hagel@stsci.edu
Subject: Re:  Cats that fetch
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:56:24 GMT

2 of the 3 cats in my household like to fetch on occasion,  but they never 
bring it all the way back.  They seem to prefer to stop just out of arm's
length (which cats are _very_ good at judging).  I think this is part of
the game; if they are going to chase the ball, _you_ have to chase it at
least a little bit, too. 

Kami wants to fetch only occasionally.  This is usually preceded by a 
session of his "lost kitty" routine, in which he wanders around the family 
room level of my townhouse, crying pitiously (always while nobody's down 
there).  Nothing's ever wrong; he just seems to like the sound of his own 
voice echoing, but he sounds so pathetic!  About 25% of the time, he then 
brings a sponge rubber ball up for me to throw down the stairs.  One throw 
usually satisfies him; he'll cry a little more & then settle down.  Hmmm --
this is actually sort of fetching in reverse:  he retrieves a ball _first_,
then my throwing it ends the game. Trust this cat to get things backward!  8) 


WARNING: SLIGHTLY SCATOLOGICAL SIDE STORY: 
[My uncle is a vet and takes care of my gang, neutering, annual shots, etc.
(The relevance of this becomes apparent shortly.)  One of the first times
Kami did this routine, I thought maybe he was crying because he couldn't
find the ball, and I began talking to him: "What's the matter, Kami-kitty? 
Can't you find your ball?  Where's your ball?"  My smart-aleck fiance
looked up from his section of the paper and replied, "In a jar on Uncle
Larry's desk?"] 


RESUME PG RATING:
Satin is a much more frequent and persistent fetcher.  Most evenings,
usually while I'm on the couch reading the paper, she brings a ball and 
starts meowing.  If it's in arm's reach, I'll get it.  But if it's too far, 
I tell her, "You know the rules.  Bring it here!"  and pat the side of the
couch.  She acts unhappy, but usually will bat it with her paw to where I 
can at least use the paper to extend my reach enough to grab it.  I then 
throw it up the stairs (more exciting than down the stairs or across the 
floor--she can get those effects by batting it herself).  We usually do this 
about 6-8 times before she gets bored, but it's an almost nightly ritual.




Crystal Hagel
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Spooky things
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:59:42 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

thiessen@emr1.emr.ca (Tracy Thiessen) writes:
> Some kind person with a sensible cat on this list recommended that
> I harnass Doug up and let him go about his business in the house and
> PRESTO! leash training will be a breeze come the spring. Inspired, I
> located the harnass is question (still tied to clothes line, in a snarl
> where I had flung it in despair) and buckled Doug in.
> 
> I set him down on the floor and he immediately froze and tipped over,
> writhing as if in great pain. (I checked, harnass was not too tight.)
> I crossed my arms, sat back.  He continued to writhe. Checked the harnass
> again.  Writhing continues.  Grab his favorite toy (foil ball on string)
> and begin to fool around with it.  Writhing stops.  He gets to his feet
> and proceeds to moonwalk -- crash! into the coffee table, crash! into
> the couch!, crash! into the wall.  Freezes, tips over.  Writhes.

Sounds familiar.  Harnesses usually induce kitty paralysis, but can 
induce kitty convulsions.  Just keep it up, things will improve.  
Try harness + dinner!  Amazingly, food has magic cureall properties
for harness-induced kitty paralysis.... ;-)

If you'd like to see kitty paralysis, but don't want to invest in
a harness, a bit of tape stuck on the cat's forehead, just above
and between the eyes, will also induce paralysis or a cat that only
has reverse gear...  Discovered that one when DumDum insisted on 
helping me wrap christmas presents one evening...

Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: brunson@davinci.Data-IO.COM (Kaye Brunson)
Subject: Re: SHRINKING CAT FOOD CANS!
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:50:27 GMT

It's happening in alot of products.  My "feminine supplys" used to come in boxes
of 40, now I buy a box of 32 for the same $.  It's a way of raising prices
without us noticing.  Isn't capitalism fun?
  

Kaye Trimbath 
Data I/O Corporation
voice: (206) 867-6230
email: brunson@data-io.com
From: hcrain@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Helen C Crain)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Kitty's 1st christmas!
Date: 11 Nov 1992 18:32:33 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Reply-To: hcrain@convex.csd.uwm.edu
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Originator: hcrain@convex.csd.uwm.edu

 In article <BxK38n.MyD@cmptrc.lonestar.org>, by brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton):
> We tried this.. we'd find the tree and playpen both upended in the middle
> of the floor... thankfully, we had the foresight not to put any ornaments
> on it until we saw how this idea would work... the ceiling hook tied to
> the top of the tree worked great for us...
>
I've used a ceiling hook too, but me old mither's rule was
to use nonbreakable ornaments on the bottom third of the
tree.  It works for pets who play with dangling goodies, and
is also a great way to let little klutzy humans help
decorate the tree.   
-- 
Helen C. Crain             hcrain@convex.csd.uwm.edu 
UWMilwaukee Nursing                   Wisconsin, USA
"There is more of good nature than good sense at the
bottom of most marriages"    HD Thoreau
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: cldavies@nyx.cs.du.edu (cindy davies)
Subject: Re: Kitty's 1st christmas!
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Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 17:36:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.121834.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> janet@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>our cat (9 months in December) will be experiencing his first
>Christmas this year. Any suggestions how we can keep our Christmas
>tree and our sanity in tact?
>
>janet o'keefe
>JANET@KEAN.UCS.MUN.CA

     1. Set up a "cat blind" so you can ambush the cat with a spray
bottle when it gets near the tree, (continue until the cat gives
up, or the tree come down whichever comes first ;-))

     2. Try setting up a model train to run around the tree,  keep
it going all the time (only works if your cat is afraid of the
train. ;)

     3. Set the "evil vacuum cleaner" in the doorway of the room
where the tree (your cat owning guests will understand)

*    4. Put the "Good ornaments" away, and get some non-breakable
ornaments, (wood or styrofoam etc) string cranberries etc. and let
the cat enjoy the tree.  This was what we ended up doing,  we only
have to pick up and re-hang two or three ornaments every day. Now
if the puppy doesn't decide to chew on them we will be in good
shape 8)

     5.  Get some of those annoying chime things that tinkle
christmas carols all the time -- my cats couldn't stand them ...
left the room in a huff...so did my roommate.




--

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