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From: dudgeon@milton.u.washington.edu (Doug Dudgeon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Mariners home 4-22, 23, 24?
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:25:14 GMT
Reply-To: dudgeon@cheme.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington

rwr@mpd.tandem.com (Rick Ramke) writes:

>Anyone know if the Mariners are playing at home the evenings of
>April 22, 23, or 24?

The Mariners are at home for a four-game series against the Twins, 20-23 April:

	Monday 20th at 7:05 p.m.
	Tuesday 21st at 7:35 p.m.
	Wednesday 22nd at 7:05 p.m.
	Thursday 23rd at 12:35 p.m.
	All times PDT, of course.

The M's are on the road before and after this series.

						doug

-- 
Doug Dudgeon                              Dept. of Chemical Engineering, BF-10
dudgeon@cheme.washington.edu              University of Washington, Seattle

-7 days left until Opening Day!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma)
Subject: Re: For Jays fans only!
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 12:50:23 GMT

In <1992Apr11.051726.12343@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> obaidr@bullet.ecf (OBAID ARIF) writes:

>Even though the BJ's are 4-0 and even though there is NO chance of them
>missing the World Series this year ( go home G. Bell and Sox) , may I 
>suggest to all BJ fans to keep their cool.  Please, no "I told you so",
>or "Eat our dust" remarks. 

  Why don't stupid, arrogant Jays fans like you get the hell off this net!
The Jays have a four game winning streak and suddenly they're better than the
1927 Yankees. All people like you do is get people pissed off at you; I'm 
saying this and I'm a Blue Jays fan!
  How do you think you're contributing to the net? By making the rest of the
Jays fans look like jackasses? And when Toronto goes into a losing streak
(yes it will happen believe it or not) EVERYONE on this net is going to jump
on ALL the Jay fans and rub our noses in it, which is something I'm not 
looking forward to.
   Do you like Fergie Olver? If you don't, well you should know that you're
twice as annoying as he is. If you do like him, then you're a stupid, three
headed sloth. 

>Besides, anyone who saw the game aginst the Orioles yesterday (Jays 4-3)
>in which the Jays came back in the bottom of the 9th to win 4-3 after 
>a 3-0 deficit and STILL is not a believer.....well what can I say!!!
 
  The Jays comeback today was nice. However if the Jays are the powerhouse you
say, they would have knocked Mussina out in the third inning and it wouldn't
have been close. Granted, the Jays are winning and that's good, but they're
only winning by small margins. Had they won by bigger margins then I might be
more convinced.

					Gord Niguma
					(fav player : John Olerud)

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: billoj@aix.rpi.edu (Jeremy Louis Billones)
Subject: Hell has frozen over.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:13:40 GMT

According to the USA Today...

Joe Carter's consecutive game streak was snapped at ~500.  The current
#2 player in MLB, at about 215 games is... Cecil Fielder.

Jeremy Billones     billoj@rpi.edu  or  jbillone@jarthur.claremont.edu
"I'm hoping to see some lightning tonight, although the weatherman says
there's not going to be any rain."
	"Oh, there's going to be plenty of rain all right; wind, thunder,
lightning - it's going to be one hell of a storm."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: ewk@seasnake.micro.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel)
Subject: Re: Where's Kevin Tapani?
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis: Under Grad Workstation Lab.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 05:04:45 GMT

In <1992Apr10.022758.26006@leland.Stanford.EDU> sigmond@leland.stanford.edu (Steve Sigmond) writes:

>The Twins played their third game today and according to the boxscores,
>Tapani hasn't started any of them. Is he starting the season on the DL or
>something? I find it hard to believe he'd be number 4 in the rotation!

>	-Steve

He's starting the HOME opener tomorrow night...and I'm going!  He's started
the home opener the last 2 years.  Tom Kelly isn't one to worry about who
is the #1, #2 or #3 pitcher.  They're part of the team, not individuals.

-Rick
From: PA113718@utkvm1.utk.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: ESPN sked
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:10:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: utkvm1.167C49D0C.PA113718
Organization: The University of Tennessee, Knoxville

In article <Adt3uly00iUx01O2ku@andrew.cmu.edu>
Bill Thomas <bt16+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Note: Does anyone else lament the fact that the three quasi-national
>local cable channels cover only National League games (Cubs, Mets,
>Braves)? I've lived in Galveston, Knoxville, southeast Ohio and
>Pittsburgh and have never seen a cable channel that was picked up
>nationally that covered an American League team. I hate that.
>
Yeah, I do (or did) lament the lack of AL games on cable, Bill, but
now WGN carries 50 White Sox games.  (That's my team!)  They are
bound to show them against the Tribe once or twice, but I don't have
the schedule.

   Tom Garritano
   University of Tennessee
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: epstein@sunc7.cs.uiuc.edu (Milt Epstein)
Subject: Re: Battle of Unbeatens: Jays and Yanks
Keywords: unbeatens jays yanks
Reply-To: epstein@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 05:52:06 GMT

In <1992Apr15.172038.24414@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> epstein@sunc7.cs.uiuc.edu (Milt Epstein) writes:

>I saw this interesting item in the news the other day:
>
>When the 7-0 Blue Jays met the 6-0 Yankees the other day, it was the
>first time this century that unbeaten teams had met more than five
>games into the season.

If anyone is paying attention, I believe I got these records wrong --
the Jays were 6-0 and the Yankees 5-0.

-- 
Milt Epstein
Department of Computer Science
University of Illinois
epstein@cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Subject: Re: Least valuable players
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:28:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: A Slightly Warmer Place Than Dave Kirsch's Winter Wonderland

In <1992Apr14.122338.9116@cbnews.cb.att.com> dae@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.a.elliott) writes:

>In article <13APR199213260005@deimos.ucc.umass.edu> s5170748@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (THAN LEE) writes:
>>While all of this talk centers around Alfredo Griffin and his recent shortstop
>>companions, there have been some truly atrocious players who were NOT light-
>>hitting, poor-fielding shortstops.  I give you:
>>
>>   Lynn Jones, OF DET
>>      A backup outfielder his entire 8 year career.  How did he last that
>>   long?  One of the worst fielders ever to roam the outfield.  -33 -5 -82
>>   Hey, this guy makes Rowland Office look like Clemente!  In all, he had
>>   a TPR of -12.5.

>Jones finished up his career with KC, and I believe is now a coach in their
>organization.  His coaching specialty?  Outfield defense!

>My memory of Jones was that he was an excellent outfielder.  He spent his
>entire career as a defensive replacement guy, and had no defensive
>weaknesses that I can remember.  He was Lonnie Smith's personal late inning
>replacment on the Royals' 85 championship team.  Sure, he was a weak
>offensive player (a .250 hitter with no power), but I find it hard to
>believe that he could be rated so poorly on defense.  Rather than being
>"one of the worst fielders ever to roam the outfield", he was one of the
>better outfielders in the AL in the 80's.

>What sort of formula do they use to figure defensive value?  It sure doesn't
>look reasonable to me.

One which absolutely massacres late inning defensive replacements.  P/T bases
its defensive stuff on a glorified range per game, I believe.  When a player
only plays a few innings in each game he participates in, well .... you get
the picture.  I'm not sure of the exact way this is done, actually, but the
result is that all defensive replacements come out poorly.

Greg

-- 
  spira@panix.com       "The one-O delivery to Fisk.  He swings.  Long drive,  
 cmcl2!panix!spira      left field!  If it stays fair, it's gone!  Home Run!"  
158-17 Riverside Dr.                     Ned Martin, 10/22/75   
Whitestone NY 11357          (Insert your favorite baseball moment here) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: bad calls (usually against the Expos)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 18:31:16 EDT

In article <1992Apr11.195546.2279@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>
cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:
 
>
>Did anyone else notice that when a throw comes in from the fielder to
>get a runner (stealer) out, if the ball gets there first the guy is
>automatically called out?
 
     This has been a complaint against umpires for a long time, along
with the phantom double play and "eveners" (ball and strike calls that
are seemingly affected by the count -- close 1-2 pitches are usually
called balls; 2-1, usually strikes).  This subject was treated either
in The Diamond Appraised or The Hidden Game of Baseball, I can't remem-
ber which.
 
Jeff
From: Rishi.Kumar@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rishi Kumar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Standings
Keywords: AL: BLUE JAYS and Rangers lead...  NL:  Ties at top of both divisions
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:48:32 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Apr10.122855.1774@oz.plymouth.edu> m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier) writes:
>
>  Baseball   Standings
>
>American League
>           East

Can someone please send me some basic tips about how the games are held.
Is there some kind of playoffs too? New to all this.

Please mail to "Rishi@uconnvm.bitnet" or "kumarr@eng2.uconn.edu"

>Team       Wins   Losses    GB
>
>BLUE JAYS    3       0       -
>Yankees      2       0        .5
>Orioles      2       1       1
>Indians      1       2       2
>Brewers      1       2       2
>Red Sox      0       2       2.5
>Tigers       0       3       3
>
>           West
>
>Rangers      4       0       -
>Athletics    3       0        .5
>White Sox    3       0        .5
>Twins        2       1       1.5
>Angels       0       3       3
>Royals       0       3       3.5
>Mariners     0       4       4
>
>National League
>           East
>
>Pirates      2       1       -
>Phillies     2       1       -
>Cardinals    2       2        .5
>Mets         2       2        .5
>EXPOS        1       2       1
>Cubs         1       2       1
>
>           West
>
>Braves       2       1       -
>Giants       2       1       -
>Dodgers      2       1       -
>Padres       2       2        .5
>Astros       1       2       1
>Reds         1       3       1.5
>-- 
> Michael Le Houllier           *  John 3:16  * Nov 12, 1991 - Dili      
> (m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu.us) *  Remember: June 4, 1989 - Beijing
> Go BLUE JAYS  3-0  v. Orioles   Friday, Saturday and Sunday
> The Rangers jinx continues.  The year they could win, they strike.


--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
From: gotribe@cbnewse.cb.att.com (richard.g.barry)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Misc. Baseball Ramblings
Keywords: James, Orioles, Injuries
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:01:40 GMT
Organization: AT&T

Just some thoughts on the early baseball season:

1. Is Johnny Oates nuts?  Is he really playing both Joe Orsulak *and*
   Brady Anderson?  My God - how did this man get to a position to
   manage a major league club?  He's got a 30+ homer guy in Chito
   Martinez on the bench, a .300 hitter and .400 OBP guy in the minors
   (Mercedes), and his best pitcher (Mussina) is the 4th starter?
   Did he really start Tim Hulett as the DH Wednesday night against
   the Indians?  I really thought the O's were going to have a good
   season, but if this dingbat Oates keeps it up, they ain't going nowhere!

2. Bill James 1992 Baseball Book is a big disappointment.  The front
   cover indicates "A must for all Rotisserie players".  Yeah, right.
   He ranks the top 10 or 20 at each position and never mentions any
   young guys in the rankings.  The stats he gives are available in
   other publications.  He has numerous errors as well:

	Lance Dickson - a *right handed* pitcher
	The Cubs signed Mike *Moore*...
	Misspells Knoblauch (as Knoblach)
	
	Minor stuff I know, but it makes you feel like he didn't do
	much work on it.  Also, I don't see anything in the book
	that would have caused him to delay it as long as he did.
	My bet is he just wasn't quite done with it and rushed it
	through.
	
	I thought he'd mention something about how he screwed up
	several of rookie selections last year - e.g. he said Albert
	Belle would have a chance for rookie of the year, but Belle
	did not qualify.
	
3. What's with all these injuries already?  I've never seen so many
   broken bones (Dykstra, Gallaraga, D. Bell).   Weird season already.

4. Jim Lefebvre - another knucklehead.  Top two hitters in the lineup
   are Dunston and Sosa, both with career OBA under .300 (sure, so
   in tonight's game they both lead off the game with walks and
   Sandberg pops a 3-run homer... - it won't last).  The Cubs
   look pathetically weak.

5. The Royals and Angels have got to be the two worst looking teams
   in the AL.  The Angels have 3 good starters and 1 good reliever
   and that's it.  Absolutely no offense (well Polonia is decent).
   KC looks just as pathetic.  Great hitting combo at 2B and SS with
   Shumpert and Howard.  Great leadoff hitter in McRae.  Great left
   fielder in Miller.  McReynolds has to rank in the bottom 3rd in
   AL right fielders also.  That leaves Jefferies, Joyner, and Mike MacF.
   as the only decent hitters (no I don't include Brett as a good
   hitter any more)


Rich Barry
barry@ihlpe.att.com
From: zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Overshadowed By Fate Huckabay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Offense/Defense: 50-50 split?
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:51:07 GMT
Organization: Bob Gajarsky Wallet Losing Society

(John "It's DEE-Licious!" Franjione) writes:
>Because in softball, the offense essentially controls the game.  If
>everyone on the team can hit a line drive every time up, it doesn't
>matter how good the defense is; the team is going to score runs.

Very big if.  If everyone on the team can single every time up, games
would never end. 

>Now, in softball, a run scored is also a run allowed; however, I don't
>think that offense and defense are equally important.  It's probably
>about 75/25 or higher.  So why should it be 50/50 in baseball?

On our PARTICULAR softball team, I feel defense is actually MORE
important.  Outs are harder to come by on defense in slo-pitch than in
hardball.  Therefore, I don't mind sacrificing some bat to get glove
men in the game.  Our softball team is BY FAR the best defensive team
in our league, and probably even up a couple of leagues.

But we flat don't hit.  We walk, we play great defense, and we hit for
power - but our team average SUCKS.  Our team BA runs about .375,
which is abominable for slow-pitch softball.  Our team OBP is right
about .600, and our SLG runs about .560 or so.  We usually win or
finish second in our league.

>Another thing which got me thinking is the fact that pitcher
>performance (e.g. ERA, or opponents OBA or SLG, but NOT wins) is not as
>predictable from year to year as batting performance is.  If defense
>were more in control, I'd expect pitchers to be more predictable.

Hadn't thought of it that way.  Any argument I can think of seems
counter-intuitive, and I don't have any data.

>How can this be measured?  How can the exact split be determined, if
>at all?

Interesting questions, though it may be a question of perspective
rather than definition.


-- 
*    Gary Huckabay    * "They sent Brosius down."  "So Lansford has the job?" *
*   "A considerably   * "Yep.  And it looks like Bordick has won the 2B job." *
*  shorter fuse than  * "I guess I better make postseason plans now." "Good   *
*    Sherri Nichols." *  idea.  Call Puget Sound Airways." - GH & EG.         *
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Orioles 4 20 game winners
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:31:23 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1992Apr13.175129.23779@athena.mit.edu> pablo@granada.mit.edu (Pablo Iglesias) writes:
>I've been trying to remember the details of the 4 Oriole pitchers that 
>won 20 games each in the same year.  I know that  Palmer, Cuellar and
>McNally were 3 of the four, but I can't remember who the
>fourth was.  Anyone out there know, and remember how many each of them
>won?

Dave McNally went 21-5 with a 2.89 ERA in 30 starts, Pat Dobson went 20-8
with a 2.90 ERA in 38 starts, Mike Cuellar went 20-9 with a 3.08 ERA in 38
starts, and Jim Palmer went 20-9 with a 2.68 ERA in 37 starts for the 1971
Orioles.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Red Sox loss
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:23:04 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

Okay, I give.  What is there about being appointed Red Sox Manager that causes
total cerebral shutdown?  The Olde Towne Team is down by a run leading off the
top of the ninth, when to the plate steps Tony Pena?  He's seriously being let
near the plate in this situation??  And when by a miracle he gets on, HE'S LEFT
IN FOR LUIS RIVERA TO TRY TO BUNT OVER TO SECOND????????

Please, just shoot me now and save me 161 more doses of this...

-- 

Dan S.
From: kk18@prism.gatech.EDU (Kelly Kenion)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Gant's stolen base was stolen
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:05:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <1992Apr14.194007.1684@cs.yale.edu> peltz-russell@CS.YALE.EDU (Russell Peltz) writes:
>>In Sunday's Braves game vs the Giants, Ron Gant was stealing second and 
>>clearly beat the throw to the bag.  However, the momentum of his slide
>>carried him off the bag and he was tagged out.  As evidence of the fact
>>that he was originally safe, the umpire waited till he came off the bag and
>>was tagged to call him out.  In Monday's Houston Post, this play was 
>>counted as a caught stealing and no stolen base was awarded.
>>
>>It seems to me that since he was originally safe at second, he should have 
>>gotten a stolen base.  What's the right call here ?

>When a runner overslides a base, he is considered to have never reached the
>base at all.  For example, if a runner tries for a triple but overslides third
>and is tagged out, he is given credit for a double.  So in this case, Gant
>gets no credit for reaching second, and caught stealing is the correct call.

Is it just me or does this question remind anyone else of the World Series
last year?  You remember, the one where Kent "Buy a vowel" Hrbek wrestled
Gant off base after Gant had beaten the throw, after which Gant was called
out!  I can certainly understand the above rule, but ONLY if the player
is not forcibly removed from the base by another player.













-- 
Kenion, Kelly W.                             GO JACKETS!!!!!!!!!
Georgia Institute of Technology           
Atlanta Georgia, 30332           
Internet: kk18@prism.gatech.edu 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Ramon, MRI, Crews, Comments, and a Question
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 03:13:34 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Apr8.174737.2946@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:

>While I don't understand the reluctance of Ramon Martinez for getting an
>MRI, I'm not so sure it's reasonable to say that teams ought to be able to
>force a player to undergo medical tests.  Do you think your employer ought
>to be able to force you to undergo medical tests?  If not, why do you think
>major league teams ought to be able to?  Is it just because they're paying
>their employees a lot of money?  Then, at what point is it that your salary
>is so high you should have to give up the right to choose whether you seek
>medical attention or not?  

I don't think the issue is salary at all.  My employer has no need to
be interested in the health of my [wrist|shoulder|elbow] in terms of
how it may affect my ability to do my job.  The same cannot be said of
a professional athlete.  For whatever reason, players have been known 
to make unfortunate decisions regarding their ability to perform, sometimes
with career significance.  The Codgers have invested a lot of cash in
Martinez, and want to continue to do so provided that he can pitch
competitively.  If they feel that he's not being reasonable, they are
entitled to give him the ultimatum to be tested or be sat down.


-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
From: dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Jody Reed bashing
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:40:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: transfer.2150
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Apr13.153322.22984@cco.caltech.edu>, jeffp@cco.caltech.edu (Jeffrey E. Prisberg) writes:
> roger@thoreau.nsc.com ( Roger Wakefield) writes:
> 
: About J. Reed...
: in the field.  He's got above-average range, but it can be deceptive if
: >you don't watch him a lot, and he had a strong arm even when he was a
" >shortstop, which makes it way above average for a 2B.
: 
: On thing to keep in mind is that the reason Reed was moved to 2B was
: that he was having difficulty with the throw from SS to 1B.  Aparently, 
: over the course of many games at SS, Reed would hurt his arm.  I can't 
: remember who initiated the change, but I do remember that that was the 
: reason.
: 

Funny, I live in Boston and I don't remember any such reason for moving Reed
to second base.  My impression was that they had depth at short-stop, but not
at second base.

> jeffp

-- 

Dan S.
Organization: Senior, Economics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:34:50 -0400 
From: King-Han Yao <ky0l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Biggio

Can someone please inform me why/when/how Biggio became a second baseman?

I've never heard of another case where a catcher transformed into a
second baseman.



-------------
King Yao                       
Economics 
Class of '92                   
Carnegie Mellon 

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: sfp1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Sven F. F. Pride)
Subject: Re: Mets and Yankees
Reply-To: sfp1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:09:26 GMT

In article <L1TcJB5w164w@banana.ithaca.ny.us> henning@banana.ithaca.ny.us (Henning Pape-Santos) writes:
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>"There's a little dribbler along first, and it's BEHIND THE BAG!!"
>   hps@memory.ithaca.ny.us   --or--   henning@banana.ithaca.ny.us
>-------------------------------------------------------------------

	Okay, enough is enough, as any true baseball fan knows, the only 
real team you can root for if you live in New York is the Red Sox.

					----Sven Pride

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Eastern Conference
Atlantic Division
Team		 W	 L
Boston 		50	31
New York 	50	31
				Tie Breaker Says: Celtics!
				--------------------------
16 banners on the wall.
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				Sorry, that just slipped out

Bring on the Blue Jays for another sweep

	Clemens, Viola, Hesketh, Gardiner and Young?!?

							Da Sox!!!
	
(Asbestos suit activated) :-)