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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: Re: Slick Willie and the Rapists
Organization: Clarkson University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:43:07 GMT

mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:

>I just saw a little note in the Wall Stree Journal saying that Bush
>was expected to slam Slick Willie by bringing up a bunch of rapists
>whose life sentences he commuted.

>So hey, folks, does anyone know what the deal is?

Sure, it's another example of the kinder, gentler nation that 
George "pro-LIFE" Bush has in mind.

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BRI FARENELL	is a PC-hating, liberal, card-carrying member of the ACLU
CLARKSON '95	     			
FARENEBT@CRAFT.CAMP.CLARKSON.EDU

When two people CHOOSE to have sex, they CHOOSE to accept the consequences
of their actions. (yes, there is such a thing as a pro-life liberal. Please 
send flames to the above address)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Subject: Re: Cuomo's track record (WAS: Re: Why I cannot vote Democratic)
Organization: LLNL
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:45:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.173024.2599@philabs.philips.com> jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.215220.11389@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:

@ 	I'm not surprised. Car owners are a long way away from paying
@ from the roads they drive on out of vehicle registration fees and fuel
@ taxes. One estimate is that American roads are at least 38%
@ subsidized, and probably more, depending on what one counts.

>And who uses the roads the most?  Could it possibly be TRUCK DRIVERS?
>You know, the ones that make all those really neat things like food
>available to us all?  They are the ones who pay most of the road use
>taxes, and with good reason.

	The calculation also includes taxes paid by truckers.

	And who says freight has to travel by truck? One can do the
bulk of the freight shipping by train, and save trucks for local
deliveries. That would keep a lot of trucks from beating up the roads.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
Subject: Re: Is George running for First Lady?
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:18:49 GMT

In article <ART.92Aug27120835@world.std.com> art@world.std.com (Al Thompson) writes:

>In article <CB.92Aug26135755@tamarack13.timbuk> cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster) writes:
>
>
>   Date: 26 Aug 92 13:57:58 CDT
>
>   Peter Nelson writes:
>
>       despite many terms as governor of Arkansas, [Clinton's] state
>       is at the bottom of just about every economic, environmental, and
>       educational metric there is.
>
>   This argument is a stock Republican line currently.  How does one
>   governor change the entire standing of a state?  Can the governor of
>   Connecticut take personal credit for his state's high income level?
>
>Perhaps you should ask Michael Dukakis since this is exactly what he
>claimed to have done with the once and future(?) Massacusetts Miracle.

     The whole point is that this is A) exactly what Clinton is saying
George Bush should do (take responsibility) and, B) exactly what Clinton
wants to do at the federal level.

     Now, we all know that Presidents and Governors can only do so much
without the help of their legislatures.  That is, after all, what the
legislature is for.
 
     However, it is a valid point that if Clinton can't "Get things done"
in Arkansas, why should we believe that he can do so in Washington?

     (Actually, with a Democratic Congress he might be able to, which is
even more scary...)

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|David Veal  PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu  University of Tennessee             |  
|                                     Division of Continuing Education    |
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: Re: The REAL Reagan Record
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:48:14 GMT

art@world.std.com (Al Thompson) writes:

>   Huh? National Review? Now there's a good example of objective reporting. 
>   Their editors seem to yearn for a military government. Is Buckley still
>   connected with that rag?

>Have you ever read NR?  Would you be so kind as to enlighten with
>facts proving their lack of objectivity?  How about some proof of your
>preposterous claim that the editors yearn for a military government.  Oh,
>now I see you cover your dishonest attack with the claim that the editors
>"seem" to yearn.  Clever.

Well, they are a right-wing magazine and flaunt it every issue. Just read the
This Week section of the mag. There's nothing wrong with them being a conserv.
magazine but they are not an objective source of journalism (much like the
liberal New Republic). 

However, I've yet to see any evidence that they want a military dictatorship.

>Buckley is marginally still associated with that magazine he founded 35
>years ago.  He is no longer editor, but writes occasional articles and
>three of his columns appear in each issue.

While he may no longer be E-I-C, I don't know if I'd call 3 columns a week
as being "marginally associated" with the NR. While I disagree with most of
his ideological positions, Buckley is an excellent writer because he generates
a reaction and makes you think. I'm glad he's more than marginally associated
with it.
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BRI FARENELL			      	   "Read my lips -- no new ideas!"
CLARKSON '95				   --George Bush's apparent motto
FARENEBT@CRAFT.CAMP.CLARKSON.EDU 
A PC-HATING, PRO-LIFE, LIBERAL CARD-CARRYING ACLU MEMBER
						 
What "family values" are the GOP's pushing when they don't want give children
any legal recourse when the system sends them back to abusive parents?
We're not talking about children complaining about chores or not having a
Nintendo. We're talking about children beaten, both physically and emotionally. 
Do they have no rights if the system makes a mistake?
From: mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Please educate
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:51:56 GMT
Reply-To: mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

If Judy Mann had called me, I would have suggested that
multiculturalism is explicitly wrong, because it denies
the superiority of Western values as a way of life for
humans (in effect, setting up situational
ethics relativism for cultures).

-- Newt Gingrich
   Republican Whip
   U.S. Representative (R-Ga.)

   From a letter to the Washington Post Sept 2, 1992
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion,alt.politics.bush
From: cookc@aix.rpi.edu (rocker)
Subject: Re: Another good reason not to vote for Bush
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 02:44:20 GMT

martyg@ocf.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero) writes:

>In addition, the ENTIRE individual is defined at conception.  

<sigh>

I'm sorry, but you seem to have wandered into the wrong room.
The "Nature vs. Nurture" debate will be held this Wednesday,
in Conference Room 1, at precisely 11 AM.

We'll see you there.

                        -rocker
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: NAFTA ... the fat lady didn't sing???
Keywords: canadian broadcast, non-usa government, government
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:44:19 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)

golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>
>As much as one may dislike Mulroney, the Tories at least have policies
>and stick with them even though they are unpopular.

Count me in ... I'll be holding my nose and voting for them next time
unless there is some way for Paul Martin's platform to advance among
the federal Liberals' ranks.  I hope that more people will call them
on that hidden GST crap ...

>The Liberals could blow the Tories out of the water if they adopted
>a pro-free-trade stance, but say that they will do free trade the 
>right way...with worker adjustment and retraining programs.  It is 
>almost a position the general population could believe was credible...
>that the global economy is a reality, but the Tories are failing 
>miserably on domestic policy in preparing Canada to deal with it. 
>But the Liberals don't want to offend anybody, so they instead have 
>no policy at all. 

In 1990, a Canadian blue-ribbon panel led by Jean de Grandpre'
(then-president of BCE (Bell Canada Enterprises)) concluded what most
sensible or cynical of people had figured ... it is impossible to tell
which jobs were lost due to market optimizations and which jobs were
lost due to normal occurences in the market, coupled to a recession
that was already beginning up north much earlier than in the rest of
the west due to the failure of the Meech Lake Accord culminating
months of national anguish.  The de Grandpre' conclusions rocked the
Mulroney administration, who were already budgeting for such programs
and thus abandoned them when the new deficit numbers came in ...

The issue of retraining died up north after that conclusion.  If the
Liberals called together another such commission, it'd be the same
characters (or their successors) ...

>I still think it will be hard for Mulroney to win the next election,
>but the Tories could pull a John Major and win.

Bri could step down for health reasons and let Joe Clark make his
comeback (I made a $10 bet on this 8 years ago, and I might just
update it with interest (-;) after his constitutional success (so
far).  It would make it more palatable to hold my nose and X one in
for the Tories ... as a Red Tory, I may as well vote for a real Red
Tory ...

gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare				
> gld@cunixB.cc.columbia.EDU		Oct 26/92: Just say "OUI!"
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			(Let's worry about the economy!)
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From: elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Call for transcripts Re: DATELINE: Bush fucks up!
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 19:44:38 CDT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS, New Orleans, LA

jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:

> elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley) writes:
> >That's not fair.  Segretti actually felt remorse for what he did later on.
> >also had a lot more to work with in Nixon.  You shouldn't compare him to
> >someone as cynical and ignorant as Matalin.
>
> True, but Matalin may have her day. Well, probably not. I read a blurb in som
> magazine that when she was told that her paramour James Carville was going to
> work on Clinton's campaign, she excused herself and literally threw up.
>
> ---
> Joe Knapp    jmk@cbvox.att.com

Yeah, I saw that story, too.  Reminds me of a friend of mine from high school.
We were both Debate Team kids.  Whenever he found out he was going up agains a
couple of guys that always had beaten us in the past, he'd have to go and throw
up.  Carville's a Louisiana boy raised on negative politics.  He's the Bush
campaign's worst nightmare.  That's probably why Matalin threw up.




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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: robinson@mdivax1.uucp (Jim Robinson)
Subject: Re: Why I cannot vote Democratic
Reply-To: robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jim Robinson)
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:06:48 GMT

Richard Crisp (crisp@netcom.com) wrote:
>In article <1992Aug25.220643.28500@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug25.191613.23545@fid.morgan.com> joec@fid.morgan.com (Joe Collins) writes:
>>>I have these examples of why I will have a hard time voting
>>>Democratic in the near future.
>>>
>>
>>The international and domestic business community voted on Bush's
>>economic plan this week...taxs cut and vague spending cuts...the
>>bottom has fallen out of the US dollar in international markets...
>>a freefall which may yet force the Fed to begin raising interest 
>>rates.
>>
>
>Of course a weak dollar helps keep jobs in the USA, helps improve the 
>trade deficit and is generally good for political discussions!

I believe that the conventional economic wisdom is that currency
devaluation provides only a *temporary* trade boost. What happens is that
imports become more expensive, domestic product prices rise in response to
this, and wage demands increase as these product prices increase -
resulting in added inflation, increased interest rates, and a loss of any
competitive edge that was initially achieved as unit costs settle back to
their pre-devaluation values.

A strong currency (and liberal, in the classical sense, trade), on the
other hand keeps everyone on their toes as domestic producers know that
should they get uncompetitive they will lose market share to imports. Low
skilled high pay jobs may disappear as a result of a strong currency, but
that is going to happen in the long run anyway given the globalization of
the economy. Rather than complaining about not being able to compete with
Mexican wages, North Americans should be concentrating on leveraging off of
an educated (at least compared to 3rd world countries) workforce, and
thinking about how to make the transition to a 21st century economy (an
information economy?) as efficiently as possible.

-- 
Jim Robinson
robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com
{ubc-cs!van-bc,uunet}!mdivax1!robinson

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: PLEASE VOTE!!!
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:51:02 GMT

cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
: 
: Amazing the nonsense that gets taught in school these days, isn't it?
: This piece of trash was originally posted to soc.motss (of course).
: It exemplifies why liberalism = fascism.
: 
: In article <37261@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:
: > But back to A Hitler, to counter the Republican nonsense about
: > spending, Hitler and company took Germany's 40% unemployment in
: > 1933 to 1% in 1936 via public works spending. Also, there was an
: 
: It's amazing how many jobs you can create building concentration
: camps and weapons of war.
: 
: > aggressive government management of business. In fact that ideology
: 
: Hey, you forgot aggressive government management of people as well.
: 
: > is still in use to a certain degree in Germany, but even more so in
: > Japan. The Axis powers may have had their armies distroyed but the
: > social structure has essentially remained. It would seem that only
: > in the USA do we still retain the idea that business is it's own
: > best boss (well mabye in England too, isn't that what the 
: > Thatcher miracle is all about?)
: > -- 
: > 
: > John Clark
: > jclark@ucsd.edu
: 
: Yeah, just what we need -- more apologists for fascism.  What's
: a few tens of millions dead if everyone else is still employed?
: 

Cretin Clamor has taken John's ANTI-FASCIST posting and edited it to sound
pro-fascist.  Goebbels would be proud of you, Cretin.


Kathy
From: mpolen@suntory.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: 50,000 Homeless in Florida -- State Calls Up 4000 Guard.
Date: 27 Aug 1992 16:53:24 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mpolen@suntory.mips.com (Michael Polen)
NNTP-Posting-Host: suntory.mti.sgi.com

In article <01GO2P8SON7K0001OM@utarlg.uta.edu>, B645ZAW@UTARLG.UTA.EDU (Stephen Tice) writes:
|> Just a bit ago, a local radio talk show host, Kevin McCarthy on KLIF,
|> broadcast a phone conversation with the Governor's office in Florida.
|> 
|> During the interview, the Governor's office confirmed that no request
|> for Federal assistance had been made. McCarthy said that seemed odd
|> since the news media reported 250,000 people homeless, at which 
|> point the Governor's spokesman said the figure was 50,000 according 
|> to their estimates, and that the State had mobilized their guard units
|> to control looting and provide other assistance.
|> 
|> Could it be that the media is inflating the number of people impacted
|> by the destruction in an effort to politicize the issue? 
|> 
It could be that they can't count as well as the Governer.  And if they
were inflating the number, I'd guess that their objective was to
"sensationalize", not "politisize."  News is a tough and competitive 
business.

But I'm sure you have a better idea what their "hidden agenda" is than
I do.  Maybe even better than they do.
_________________________________________
These opinions are usually my own, sometimes my
dogs, never my employers.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.activism
From: adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams)
Subject: Re: Health care will-o-wisps
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 18:52:13 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

	Forget it Gary, Brett's mind was made up the moment he saw Harel's
name on the posting.

	Providing him the facts will just confuse him.

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion,alt.politics.bush
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: Rich Bond said WHAT?!!
Organization: Clarkson University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:48:10 GMT

I was reading a Sandy Grady column on the GOP convention and he quoted
GOP national chairman Rich Bond as saying, "We are Americans; they 
[Democrats] are not." 

First off, has anyone heard of this? Secondly, if he really did say that,
it is reason #12,935,452 that I won't vote for Bush this year. This
is clearly a cheap-shot low-blow EVEN for politics. I can say that I 
honestly never thought that Bond or any Republican (save, perhaps, Jesse
Helms) would stoop this low.
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BRI FARENELL			      	   "Read my lips -- no new ideas!"
CLARKSON '95				   --George Bush's apparent motto
FARENEBT@CRAFT.CAMP.CLARKSON.EDU 
A PC-HATING, PRO-LIFE, LIBERAL CARD-CARRYING ACLU MEMBER
						
"Is it inconsistent to chide Hillary Clinton's support of legal
rights of children, and then demand that unborn children have
legal rights over their mothers?  Is this what the Republican
party is promoting?"	---Mike Polen (alt.activism user)

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From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: PLEASE VOTE!!! (Clayton flame)
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:44:49 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <NELSON.92Aug29215450@sun.clarkson.edu>, nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Russ Nelson) writes:
> In article <11981@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>    Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
>    Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
>    prohibition won't work.
> 
> Homosexual prohibition won't work.

Completely agreed.  When homosexuals stop trying to oppress straight
people in places like California, maybe straight people will stop trying
to oppress homosexuals in places like Oregon and Colorado.

> --russ <nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu> I'm proud to be a humble Quaker.
> Peace is not the absence of war.  Peace is the presence of a system for
> resolving conflicts before war becomes necessary.  War never creates peace.

So maybe homosexuals can stop their war on straight people.  Get the
government out of telling straight people who to associate with,
and I will AGAIN put my energies into getting government out of the 
business of telling consenting adults what they can do in private.


-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion,alt.politics.bush
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: WholeSomeTraditionalFamilyValues: Take II 
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 20:00:52 GMT

chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
] drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
] > chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
] 
] >> Young man, how dare you insinuate that "Clean for Gene" has anything
] >> to do with "Tail Gunner Joe!"
] >> 
] >> [--standard lemon-harangue pie deleted--]
] 
] > But The YoungLady Was Worrying about The HORRORS
] > of "Clean for Gene" McCarthyism! What with all 
] > those PsuedoHippies Wallowing Around the street 
] > trying to Elect some TaxAndSpend Deomocrat
] > bent on Destroying WholeSomeAndTraditonalFamilyValues
] > and Running the Economy into the Toilet, and KowTowing
] > to Foreign Dictators....
] 
] Ah, I see what you mean: our WholeSomeAndTraditonal
] Republicans only intend to run our economy into the
] little house in the back yard instead of the toilet.
] 
] Sounds wholesome and traditional to me!!!

just to clear things up, would you wish to indicate
which of the little houses out back you are referring to:

1. the guest House

2. the pool house

3. the servants quarters

4. the stables

And I see NO reason that any DECENT republican
would want to run our economy into any of these:

1. where would we put up guests.

2. where would we put the wetbar and pool table and ping pong table
and the cleaning supplies for the pool, and the like...

3. servants do not understand economics, that is why
they will remain lower caste and democrats....

4. how would we be able to tell the economy from
   recycled, reporceded grain products....

Why if those 'Tax and Spend' democrats were to take over,
this country would be run by the RiffRaff{ what's your favorite colour?}
from the servants quarters... and you wouldn't want that....

ciao
drieux



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as they are such a Known Waste Of BandWidth,
And Therefore Not a Morally UpRight Choice.
But I Can See the HideousHienousHandOfHeteroSexualityBehindItAll.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
From: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Subject: Re: Term Limits For All
Reply-To: pajerek@kadsma.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Telstar
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:14:10 GMT

In article <19936@drutx.ATT.COM> dlo@druwa.ATT.COM (OlsonDL) writes:
>In article <1992Aug29.045904.22170@auto-trol.com>, katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty) writes:
>} Term limitation is a foolish idea. All it really does is limit our
>} choices. It is often the case that the best person for the job is
>} someone who has had the job a while. Why limit our choices?
>
>If term limits are good enough for the president, why aren't they good
>enough for congress?
>
>} If someone
>} is doing a bad job, it is your right to vote that person out of office.
>

Someone has pointed out the fallacy here. In the USA, we can't vote
people OUT of office, we can only vote people IN to office. Therefore, if
you want somebody OUT, there must be someone else to vote FOR, and if
that someone else doesn't exist, there is no effective right to vote
people out. A NOTA option would cure this.

Don Pajerek

Standard disclaimers apply.


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