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From: JGRST4@PITTVMS.BITNET
Subject: Re: Costo de vida en Mexico D.F. ?
Reply-To: Multiple recipients of list MEXICO-L <MEXICO-L@TECMTYVM.BITNET>
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:16:51 GMT

Seguramente no soy el mas calificado para dar una estupenda informacion,
pero de algo puede servir. Volvi a Mexico despues de 4 anhos y encontre'
todo muy caro. En muchos casos comparable a los precios aqui en Pittsburgh.
Una renta de departamento de 2,000 nuevos pesos, guarderias alrededor de
500 por mes y sin embargo, sueldos de 2000 a 3,500 para profesionales
que pueden considerarse bien pagados sin pertenecer a la alta jerarquia
que, esa si estas bien pagada. La ropa cara. En USA esta mas barata. No deseo
ser pesimista pero esa fue mi percepcion. si quieren mas comentarios
mi telefono es (412) 682 67 22. Que les sea util como pista
                   Saludos     Gonzalo Rojas O
                       JGRST4@vms.cis.pitt.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
From: clannon@crash.cts.com (Chris Lannon)
Subject: Mexican Zip Code Data Needed
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Distribution: All
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:34:52 PST


Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
From: Gerardo Cisneros <gerardo@HOUSTON.CRAY.COM>
Subject: Re: Tonalamatl/Thu. Jan 7, 1993
Reply-To: Multiple recipients of list MEXICO-L <MEXICO-L@TECMTYVM.BITNET>
Organization: Cray Research
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:08:08 GMT

Feliz a~no a la distinguida clientela de mexico-l y soc.culture.mexican!!

El caso es que Paco Morales, morales@w414zrz.ee.tu-berlin.de escribi'o:
> In article <1993Jan7.060547.29961@cbnewse.cb.att.com> Multiple
> recipients of list MEXICO-L <MEXICO-L@TECMTYVM.BITNET> writes:
> >    Today is the 7th day of 1993 with 358 remaining.
> >
> >1951
> >    The state of war with Germany is ended.
>
>
> Se solicita algien que me ilumine. ? Que' significa lo anterior ?.
> ? A caso Me'xico estuvo en "state of war" con Alemania durante la segunda
> guerra mundial ?.

En efecto.  El presidente Avila Camacho declar'o el estado de guerra
contra Alemania como consecuencia del hundimiento de dos barcos petroleros
mexicanos, el "Potrero del Llano" y el "Faja de Oro" por parte de
submarino(s) alemanes.

> Si asi' es el caso, ? por que' duro' tanto tiempo
> el "state of war", siendo que la guerra ya llevaba sus an~itos "out" ?.

Yo supongo que por como es la burocracia mexicana :-) :-) :-)

Ya en serio, no tengo idea.  Alguien m'as?

Saludos,

Gerardo
--
Gerardo Cisneros                |Cray Research de M'exico, S.A. de C.V.
Applications Scientist          |Camino a Sta. Teresa 480-A #302
gerardo.cisneros@cray.com       |Bosques de Tlalpan
(+52+5)622-8584                 |14020 M'exico, D.F., MEXICO
  Mi opini'on, s'olo mi opini'on, y nada m'as que mi opini'on.
From: morales@w414zrz.ee.tu-berlin.de (Morales)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
Subject: Re: El nuevo Catequismo ya esta' a la venta !!!
Date: 6 Jan 1993 08:14:25 GMT
Organization: Institut fuer Elektrische Maschinen, TU-Berlin
NNTP-Posting-Host: w414zrz.ee.tu-berlin.de

>Lastima que no sepas ni pronunciar bien el ti'tulo del "catequismo"(sic).
>Es: C-A-T-E-C-I-S-M-O
>Ojala' y que tus comentarios no este'n tan errados como tu conocimiento
>del su ti'tulo.
>Saludos,
>Tonio

Gracias Ton~o por la correccio'n, definitivamente mi intencio'n fue' 
escribir la palabra "CATECISMO", y no "CATEQUISMO", que son dos te'rminos
diferentes.
Yo creo que se debe a la "reprogramacio'n" que desde ya hace an~os intento
hacer en mi cerebro, ! y los primeros frutos ya pueden apreciar !.

Una vez corregido el error sema'ntico, ! que' sigan los comentarios !.

? Que' pues ?, ? a poco nadie de la lista estudio' en alguna escuela
religiosa en Me'xico ?.

Saludos

Paco


Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
From: newsman@NEWSWIRE.ATT.COM
Subject: Worms, ant eggs among ``pre-Hispanic'' restaurant fare
Reply-To: Multiple recipients of list MEXICO-L <MEXICO-L@TECMTYVM.BITNET>
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:06:11 GMT

Anybody been there?


        MEXICO CITY (UPI) -- A trendy restaurant in Mexico's capital has
reached into history to upgrade their menu, and now offers ``pre-
Hispanic'' dishes that includes rats, crickets, parrots and ant eggs, a
Miami newspaper reported Saturday.
        The cuisine is known as ``pre-Hispanic'', and the offering of
insects, their eggs, reptiles and birds has business booming, the
restaurant owner told the Miami Herald.
        ``We have been in business for nearly four decades, and we're doing
better than ever,'' said Alonso Reyes of the spacious Don Chon eatery.
``In addition to our Mexican clientele, we're getting tourists from all
over the world who have heard of our dishes and want to try them.''
        Reyes said he serves almost exclusively foods that Mexico's Aztec
Indians were eating before Spanish explorers arrived, including the most
popular dish, ``chapulines tostaditos,'' or toasted crickets.
        Other popular orders are ``gusanos de maguey'', or maguey plant
worms, and ``escamoles a la mantequilla'', or sauteed ant eggs.
        The three-inch long crickets are served whole, piled in a bowl,
usually as an appetizer, and cost $5.
        ``Our most popular plates by far are insects,'' Reyes said. ``We
serve them alone, or with tacos.''
        The 25-table restaurant also offers lion steaks, stewed iguana, and
``huevos ahuatle'', or fried fly larvae.
        When available, the menu might also include giraffe meat, armadillo,
ostrich, crocodile and parrots.
        Reyes said the maguey plant worms are best known to Americans as the
insect found in bottles of tequila. His kitchen deep-fries the worms
whole, serving them crispy.
        ``About 30 percent of our clientele are tourists, most of them French
and German,'' he said. ``We have very few Americans.
        ``They prefer to eat hamburgers.''

----
From: philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Philip Machanick)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: SADF Purge
Date: 4 Jan 93 11:47:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: shannon.1993Jan4.114759.7999
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Wits University
X-Xxdate: Mon, 4 Jan 93 13:38:16 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d16

In article <C09nsA.IB9@inews.Intel.COM> Peter Mwaniki,
pmwanik@cadev5.intel.com writes:
>	states ( angola -savimbi), one wonders WHAT elements
>	de klerk is purging/retiring from sadf, would this be
>	de klerk's oportunity to purge those not fully commited
>	to the maintenance of apartheid ? while de klerk dances
>	to international communities music with crocodile tears
>	down his cheeks, claiming to be negotiating for a
>	democratically elected goverment, while his hands are
>	tied by non other but de klerk. we are all fooled !

The Weekly Mail a few weeks ago had a cartoon on the front page
summarizing the year's events. One scene: a policeman following a
trail of his own footprints in a circle, saying something to the
effect of "at last - on the track of the evil destabilizing third
force."

More recently, the government has declared that several of the SADF
members forcibly retired had done nothing wrong. Other reports have
pointed out that some of those retired are strong De Klerk supporters,
not "right wingers". The obvious suspicion is that they were offered
generous retirement packages (some only 2 years before they would have
retired anyway) to make it look as if the government was taking
action.

[This view was reported in the Star.]
--
Philip Machanick                   philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za
Department of Computer Science, University of the Witwatersrand
2050 Wits, South Africa
phone 27(11)716-3759 fax 27(11)339-7965
From: pmwanik@cadev5.intel.com (Peter Mwaniki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: What's going on in Kenya
Keywords: kenya,elections,oposition
Date: 5 Jan 93 03:52:20 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA

In article <199301042306.AA07488@tuna.wang.com> IMAGING.CLUB@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Imaging Club") writes:
>Would anyone have a local perspective as to what is really
>going on in Kenya?

presidential:
Moi ----  1.91m
Matiba -- 1.35m
Kibaki -- 1.00m
Odinga -- 0.90m   total= 5.16m ( total electorate 7.9m )

MPs:
KANU ---    97
FORD-K --   31
FORD-A --   27
DP --       20
KSC --       1 
KNC --       1 
PICK --      1    
nominations 12   total=190 ( 10 unaccounted )

UPI-(011493)Moi won the presidential race with 1.9 million votes against
matiba's 1.4 million, Kibaki's 1 million votes and Odinga's 914,000.

Daniel Arap Moi was sworn in jan0493 for a fourth five-year term as
President of Kenya. after the chairman of the Electoral Commission,
Zachaes Chesoni announced that the 68-year-old incumbent had received
the greatest number of votes in last Tuesday's presidential race.
Authorities said they were still waiting for a few regional results.
Moi was sworn into office by Chief Justice Alan Hancox in a ceremony
at the State House in Nairobi witnessed by members of the diplomatic
corps and government officials. He pledged to respect and uphold the
constitution under Kenya's laws,and promised to do his best to serve all
Kenyans. moi told opposition leaders to stop plotting ways to prevent
him from ruling the country and to assume their duties as opposition
politicians.
* source kenya-net


------                     
Peter Mwaniki,                e_mail: pmwanik@scdt.intel.com
From: 5647ibrahimk@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: more threats
Date: 13 Jan 1993 04:04:07 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 5647ibrahimk@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsf.csd.mu.edu

>Dear S.C.A. Readers,
>two days ago, one of our Ethiopian colleagues on this network reported
>about the demonstrations and the attendant killings at the Addis Ababa
>university. i wrote a rejoinder to this report, just like many other
>interested readers. since then, many Ethiopians who did not like my
>comments on the report have been overloading my mail directory with
>threats of all kind as if i caused the downfall of Mengistu and his
>bloody-thirsty errand boys, of which i suspect they(the writers) were
>beneficiaries (of Mengistu's regime). you all can still recollect that
>the guy who posted the news report has since officially withdrawn the said
>report because of the fallacies and inuendoes it contained.
>well, all i want Mr Tekle and his likes on this network  to know is that 
>they cannot squeeze truth out of this network. threats are not new to me,
>no matter how they come. this network is not for biased reports and any
>report of that nature must be summarily discredited as soon as possible.
>those interested in propaganda should tune to the appropriate newsgroup.
>we are here to discuss Africa and issues of African interest, not sectional 
>interests. Below is one such annoying letters.
>thank you.
>oguocha.
 
I did receive several similar threats too and this is not the first time. 
Here  is one that I have not deleted yet. This  particular idiot 
is eloquent in making threats
You are right they are the remnants of the bygone regime of the former
dictator Mengistu. I hope they understand that difference  of opinion
are not resolved, at least here,  Mengistu's style: threats and 
intimidations.
  

Khaled Ibrahim

_______________________________________________________________________
From:	IN%"uwm!ub-gate.UB.com!bruin.informix.com!tekle@vms.csd.mu.edu" 12-JAN-1993 14:21:59.60
To:	IN%"5647ibrahimk@VMS.CSD.MU.EDU"
CC:	
Subj:	asibca tezareb

You must be a damn full to say what you said on soc.culture.african.
Don't you know to who you are saying it?  It is to the unforgiving,
unforgetting evils who can bury you live any time soon. 

 Halay aytikun! Tebika tezareb.  Amharas zeyresou animal iyen.
selam natika yikun!
-tekle
___________________________________________________________________________

 (Awdew Teklemariam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: (was Re: Powell Reveals Plan for New Wars
From: Amos.Omondi@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Amos Omondi)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 11:02:15 GMT
Organization: Inter-Galactic Space Probe, Mad Dogs Department -- Room 42 

In article <4JAN93.02484096@edison.usask.ca> f54oguocha@edison.usask.ca writes:
>
>
>how straight do you want my arguments to be if you continue being evasive?
>You said the US is the policeman of the moment. You said she would only come
>out of its cocoon if public pressure was enough to warant her coming out. and
>by this you would want us to believe that the Liberian crisis has not drawn
>enough public outcry for the policeman to come out. i still maintain that any

	I don't know what you mean by evasive. Words like "sufficient" 
	and "enough' are not absolute; they are relative -- according to 
	my OED: "adeqaute for some need".  My reasoning is that the need 
	here is for US intervention, and since this has not happened in 
	some places, we may conclude that the public pressure has not 
	been "sufficient" or "enough".  

>policeman who dances to the gallery should have his/her uniform and rank 
>withdrawn with immediate effect. if the Us is the world's police of the moment,
>she must be seen so in all circumstances. her only "colony" in Africa has been
>burning since 1989 and all she could do was to withdraw her embassy staff to

	Actually, Africa has been burning for much longer; indeed, its 
	real problem is this idea that anyone who sets himself on fire 
	will be extinguished by a policeman -- even in Somalia the 
	khat-chewing roughnecks will sooner or later have to make a 
	choice between exterminating themselves and eating.  

>safety, allowing the birds to die away and their reamins to be picked by the
>ubiquitous vultures of the rain forest. if you still have any thing in defence
>of the US, come out now or may we not hear from you on this issue again on this
>newsgroup. afterall, you are already getting tired.
>oguocha  

	I have little to say in defense of the USA.  My real aim is to 
	get the soft-headed "i'm OK, you're OK" crowd to realise that 
	Africa's (and the Third World's) salvation will not be found in 
	persuading the USA or other guilt-ridden colonialists to hand 
	over a few more dollars.  As long as Africa and the rest of the 
	Third World keeps bending over, they have little reason to 
	complain that the rest of the world is screwing them.  So, 
	my good friend, let's begin to save ourselves right now!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: THE US AND AIDID
From: Chowning@acuvax.acu.edu (Richard Chowning)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:39:42 GMT
Organization: Bible

> With this "misconducts"  along with sniper fire from Aidid's positions in
>Mogadishu, the US decided to send a strong signal  to all the warlords.
>The seizure of some Aidid's heavy weapons reduces both his military power and
>sends the message that the US will act decisively against any warlord
>that breaks the rules. The US seem to be realizing that without disarming
>the factions and strong arm_twisting no meaningful change can take place
>in a country like Somalia.  

Granted that Aidid's militia were involved in some activities that rose 
tension in Mogadishu and elsewhere in the country, however the way in which 
he was delt with has left him and his constituants basically out of the 
picture, and without power.  The weapons were the power.  Now many are 
gone.  It seems the playing field has changed considerably.

--- Chelagoi
==================================================================
Chelagoi            alias             Richard Chowning
                                      
chowning@acuvax.acu.edu               African Mission Fellowship
chowning@acuvax.bitnet                Abilene Christian University
rchowning@igc.org                     Abilene, Texas  USA	
==================================================================
From: llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: First Officially sanctioned opposition rally in Malawi draws 100K
Date: 11 Jan 1993 17:42:51 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

			100,000 attend rally in Malawi
				Bostone Globe (1/11/93)	

Johannesburg - More than 100,000 people took part in Malawi's first
officially approved opposition rally yesterday, organizers said. A
representative of the opposition Alliance for Democracy, or AFORD, 
said in a statement received in Johannesburg that the crowd turned out
although no public announcements were made and the authorities tore
down publicity banners. President Kamuzu Banda, who banned multiparty 
politics in 1966, has said a referendum on whether Malawi should allow
opposition parties to operate will take place on March 15. Sunday's
rally in Blantyre, the first permitted by the government, was addressed
by opposition figures from AFORD, the Public Affairs Committee and the
United Democratic Front. (Reuters)
__________________________________________________________________________

From another source: Speakers at the rally, among other things, called for
                     the release of Chakufwa Chihana, leader of AFORD and
                     another opposition figure, Chakakala Chaziya.




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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: shemlon@occlusal.rutgers.edu (Shiyghan Shemlon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: CAMEROON: Bill Clinton's "coup d'etat"?????????
Keywords: Cameroon, Elections aftermath, US Presidential Inauguration
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:25:50 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.



I GOT THIS MESSAGE FROM A CAMEROONIAN IN FRANCE. SINCE I HAVEN'T
CONSULTED WITH HIM I AM DELETING HIS NAME FROM THE POSTING.


From ******@*****.inria.fr Fri Jan  8 06:48:45 1993
Received: from ****.inria.fr by occlusal.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) 
	id AA20044; Fri, 8 Jan 93 06:48:42 EST
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:07:26 +0100
To: shemlon@occlusal.rutgers.edu (Shiyghan Shemlon)
Subject: Re: CAMEROON: Bill Clinton's "coup d'etat"?????????
Status: R

|> 
   Le peuple camerounais (aucun peuple en general) n'a pas besoin
   d'une democratie qui se resume au multipartisme. Quand la cour
   supreme ne joue pas son role, quand le president "elu" oublie
   qu'une majorite a vote contre lui, quand l'oposant s'auto-proclame
   elu avant la descision de la cour supreme, tout cela ne fait pas
   tres serieux. Plus qu'un changement politique le cameroun a besoin
   d'hommes nouveaux avec des mentalites et des valeurs nouvelles.
   Apres plus de 34 ans de regime policier, amplifie depuis peu par
   les pillages des fond de l'etat et la derive economique qui a
   suivie, la transition est et sera  difficile. Dans ces conditions
   il faut a la tete du pays un homme pour lequel les camerounais
   acceptent de faire des sacrifices, avec la conviction que ces
   eforts servirons a la cause du pays et non a celle d'une poigne
   "d'elites". 
A  mom avis John Fru Ndi, malgres les critiques que j'ai a son egart,
   est celui qui incarne le mieux les espoirs du peuple.   

|> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american
From: tnkaseke@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Tamuka Kaseke)
Subject: conf. for the unity of students of african descent
Followup-To: CUSAD
Keywords: cusad, new date, march 12th
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:10:46 GMT


To: All participants and co-sponsors of the CUSAD conference
From: CUSAD Organizing Committee
Date: January 4th, 1993
Re: New date for the conference


Greetings Brothers and Sisters,

Due to several difficulties encountered over the past few months we  
have been forced to reschedule the conference from the initial date  
of January 15th, 1993.  The new date has been set for March 12th,  
1993.

Our fundraising activities were not able to collect as much revenue  
as was anticipated and this has been a major setback.  There has also  
been a problem with response from various parties involved in the  
conference.  These include responses to the initial invitation to  
attend the conference.  We hope that with the additional time now  
available we will be able to rectify these mis-calculations as well  
as hear from all those involved.

Thank you, for your continued support of this worthy endeavor.  Your  
financial assistance is greatly appreciated with donations to be made  
payable to CUSAD Organizing Committee.

We would like to apologize profusely for any inconvenience that this  
rescheduling may have caused you, and would be glad to hear from you.

								 
Sincerely,

Dana Davidson
CUSAD Organizing Committee
c/o Federation of Students
University of Waterloo
Waterloo, Ontario
Canada N2L 3G1

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,alt.native
From: cherokee@cscns.com (Agv'nige Wohali)
Subject: Re: One Settler, One Bullet
Organization: Community_News_Service
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 07:09:00 GMT

Gee, folks!  Looks like everybody's getting a little fired up here!  I
sure as hell wish I'd seen Kauta's earlier posts; because I haven't, I
have chosen to sit back and watch this most excellent flame war.

Keep your blowtorch going, Kauta!

Peace,
Agv'nige Wohali
cherokee@cscns.com

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: sunny@me.cs.wm.edu (John S. Egbo)
Subject: Re: Article: 'Africa's dysfunctional politics'
Organization: College of William & Mary, founded 1693
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:06:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.012443.28648@nas.nasa.gov>, bross@splatter.nas.nasa.gov (Bill Ross) writes:
|>         Africa's dysfunctional politics
|> 
|>         Robert D. Kaplan , _New Republic_, Dec 28 1992
|> 
|> Summarized/excerpted by Bill Ross
|> 
|>   [In 1915 U.S. marines occupied Haiti at a point of complete anarchy
|> after 102 revolutions & coups in the previous 72 years. They left in
|> 1934 after the modernizing the infrastructure: roads, health, civil
|> service, national guard & more.] "Within a few years the political
|> situation had deteriorated again to the point where Haitian doctors
|> sold off the drugs & supplies of the health service in one huge scam.
|> By the 1950s Francois 'Papa Doc' Duvalier had begun his climb to
|> power, and Haiti prepared for new levels of barbarism.
|>

[Much other junk delete]

I don't think that people should spend time discussing this crap from
an illiterate.  Since the note has not got an iota of insight, one has
to wonder about the aim of Wilson Ross in posting it to this newsgroup.
To flame? To divert attention from important discussion?  Or to continue
a history of white racial superiority philosophy?  Perhaps all three.

Friends, do not dignify this shit anymore by discussing it.

-Sunny
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african