HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dougm@cns.caltech.edu (Doug McNaught)
Subject: Re: DECtape (was: Worst tape drives)
Organization: California Institute of Technology
	<1992Jul28.152904.28638@alliant.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 03:06:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.152904.28638@alliant.com> werme@alliant.com (Ric Werme) writes:
>   One thing that *did* impress me on the DECtape only system was
>that sometimes when I ran TECO I would get the '*' prompt immediately
>and the DECtape wouldn't spin.  Only TECO, never anything else.  It
>wasn't until I started digging into OS source that I understood why.

  Ok, I'll bite--why?

-doug
--
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  Nobody approves my opinions! Not even me, sometimes. Read at your own risk.
From: sandee@Think.COM (Daan Sandee)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Cloned computers
Date: 31 Jul 1992 15:36:46 GMT
Organization: TMC
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com

In article <Bs9Epo.GsJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, berger@atropa (Mike Berger) writes:
|> greg@Quotron.COM (Greg "Maddog" Knauss) writes:
|> *----
|> Xerox, Amdahl, and CDC all made IBM mainframe clones.
|> --
|> 	Mike Berger

Amdahl, certainly. Xerox, dunno. CDC - I think not.

Daan Sandee                                           sandee@think.com
Thinking Machines Corporation
Cambridge, Mass 02142                                 (617) 234-5044
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Classic computer games and modern versions
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 10:03:10 GMT
Reply-To: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer) writes:

> Classic: Castle Wolfenstein
> 
> Today: Wolfenstein-3D breaks new ground by using first-person 3-D graphics with
> true texture-mapping, and a whole lot of cool third-party graphics and map
> editor utilities make this even more fun than the 2-D original WOLF3D.ZIP

Actually, I have to wonder about all these people talking about how much
fun they had playing Castle Wolfenstein. As I remember it, attempts to play
it went like this:

	<BEEP!>
	[Apple ][ booting...]
	[disk drive thunking...]
	[lots of drive reads....]

	Several minutes pass

	"Ahah! It's loaded at last!"

	<step> <step> <step> <step> <BLAARRGHH!>
	"Damn, a wall."
	<step> <step> <step> <step> <step> <ACHTUNG!!!>
	"Uh oh..."
	<bang!> <bang!> <step> <step> <bang!> <step>
	[silence]
	[more floppy drive access]
	"Aaarrggh! They got me!"

I dunno, several minutes to load a game I'd play for 30s just didn't seem
worth it. (I did get better, but still....)

> --
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Just when you thought|         ==> Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca <==
> it was safe...       | That's SUNNY Vancouver, British Columbia, *CANADA*!!
> ---------------------+------------------------------------------------------
> He's BACK! The Car,  | George: Blackadder!  What time is it!?
> The Cat, The Lunatic,| Edmund: Three o'clock in the afternoon, your highness.
> ---=The Jaguar!=---  | George: Oh thank GOD for that I thought I'd overslept!
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>               "What, and interrupt my LUNCH?" - Cat, Red Dwarf

Hmm, didn't I see this on alt.fan.warlord about 3 zillion times?

						- k
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: You know you've been hacking too long...
From: alanb@sdl.mdcbbs.com (Alan Braggins)
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:40:52 GMT
 <1992Jul23.152757.1506@uniwa.uwa.edu.au><1992Jul28.020456.3176@telesoft.com><1992Jul29.202156.4378@ttinews.tti.com>
Organization: Shape Data (Division of EDS), Cambridge UK
In-reply-to: hollombe@polymath.tti.com's message of Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:21:56 GMT

>>>>> On Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:21:56 GMT, hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) said:

> In article <1992Jul23.152757.1506@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> gudjm@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (D John McKenna) writes:
> }> [...]
> }> Just out of curiosity... out of all of you hackers who wear a digital
> }> watch, how many have it in 24 hour mode?

> Mine isn't because it's a b*tch to switch modes (the only thing Casio
> skimped on).  According to the user's manual, it doesn't even have two
> modes.  I found out about 24 hour mode the first time I had the battery
> changed and it came back that way.  As far as I know, the _only_ way to
> change modes is to open the case and diddle the battery.

I have a Casio (with assorted numbers on - "Telememo 20" is probably the model
though) which is so easy to change mode on I have to look at it to answer the
question (and probably take it out of phone, alarm, or stopwatch as well).
At the moment it happens to be 24, mostly I have it on 12. The analogue part
stays on 12 (which is why the digital part changing mode doesn't bother me much).

--
Alan Braggins, Shape Data (A Division of EDS Ltd), Cambridge, UK +44-223-316673
   "Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced."
 "My employer does not necessarily share my views - but I'm working on it."
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: taft@adobe.com (Ed Taft)
Subject: Re: Computer Relics (Was: 9 track data storage?)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:39:12 GMT

In article <7560@public.BTR.COM> thad@public.BTR.COM (Thaddeus P. Floryan)
writes:
>
>And there was something else also that used hanging tape strips (forget
>what it was called, but I believe it was developed by Sperry in the late
>1950s; I only saw it in operation once and said "This'll never fly"), such
>that when a strip was "addressed", it would get sucked onto a drum and then
>be processed something like the old Dictaphone machines of the early 1950s.

I saw this, or something like it, around 1967. I vaguely recall that it was
called a CRAM (Card Random Access Memory?) and was made by NCR. My school
class made a field trip to the computer center containing the time-sharing
system we had been using. Three of these CRAM boxes were turned on, but only
one was doing anything. It was busily clattering and thumping, and it was
amazing to see those magnetic cards flying around.

Someone asked why the other two machines were idle, and the operator
answered that they were hot spares. The reason for this became apparent
within a few minutes. There was a loud crunch and the active machine stopped
instantly. The operator opened a door and a pile of black plastic shreds
fluttered out. He calmly moved the rack containing the remaining cards to
another machine and put it on-line.

Needless to say, this explained the occasional long pauses and mysteriously
disappearing files some of us had observed.
-- 
Ed Taft      taft@adobe.com      ...decwrl!adobe!taft
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From: dp35@mc1adm.UWaterloo.ca (Greg Moore)
Subject: Gig or Jig?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:08:42 GMT

These are results after 1 day:

So far, "Gig" with hard g's seems to be the standard.
The one no vote mentioned that he was not in the 
majority by saying "jiga".

9 Gig
sourada@iastate.edu                 (USA)
PTomblin@GVC.COM                    (Canada)
stefang@isy.lui.se                  (Sweden)
kells@daimi.aau.dk                  (Denmark)
dik@cwi.nl                          (Nederland)
smills@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu         (USA)
jelson@server.cs.jhu.edu            (USA)
mancuso@pilot.njin.net              (USA)
ucacmsu@ucl.ac.uk                   (England)

1 Jig
dagraham@unix1.tcd.id               (Ireland)


Incidentaly, I looked up "giga" in the Oxford English dictionary and its
diction was "gige"< upside down e, with an accent, which means "giga" with
hard g's as in golf or gaggle.

In Websters American Dictionary, giga was "jige or gige".  Soooo, no-one
can tell you you say it wrong, If you speak American.

Not surprisingly, there was no entry for "zhiga", but someone might be
able to find it somewhere.

Greg Moore
dp35@mc1adm.UWaterloo.ca
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Terminal intrinsics
From: don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes)
Date: 25 Jul 92 15:21:07 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Wolery

spitzak@gree.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Spitzak) writes:
                 ^^^
> In addition the \233 can be sent either as \233 or as \033[.
> 
> Maybe we are lucky DEC is going out of business.

Low blow.  Read the ANSI spec.  The DEC stuff complies to a lot of standards,
which is more than I can say for stuff coming from your beloved employer.

(he says, wishing Sun could figure out how to do XON/XOFF in SunOS, or at 
least *keep* doing it -- not suddenly stop listening to XOFFs just because
EOF is imminent.... mutter mutter braindamage mutter mutter...)

--
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Network Manager, Computing Services Centre            don@vuw.ac.nz (work)
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From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Subject: Re: Data General
Organization: The Cat Factory
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:49:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.143944.11045@news.columbia.edu> gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener) writes:
}Back in the late 70's and early 80's, I remember visiting an office where 
}they had a Data General machine that was used for accounting purposes.
}It was single rack that was about 6' or so high, and one thing I remember
}about it was its disk drive.
}
}The drive was a drawer that pulled out of the machine.  You would remove
}the "disk pack" by turning a handle and pulling it straight up.  You'd
}put in another by dropping it in and turning the handle until it locked
}into position.  You'd then close the drawer.
}
}... My guess is that the packs were about 30" in diameter and maybe
}3 or 3 inches thick.  They were usually white or blue plastic, with access
}to the side for the heads.
}
}... Can anyone tell me how much storage these things probably had?

5 Meg. per pack. (And you forgot the "excessive g-forces detector" -- a
small, glass vial glued to the pack that would break and release a red
liquid if the pack was dropped).

The first company I worked for (software job shop) had these and a couple
of DG Nova 3 clones as their only in-house computers.  They had a rack of
30 disk packs, each dedicated to various projects or accounting needs.

At the time, it was rumored the company president thought "distributed
processing" meant "a keypunch in every office." (Dave, if your reading
this, just kidding). (-:{

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
Santa Monica, CA  90405 {rutgers|pyramid|philabs|psivax}!ttidca!hollombe
From: "curtis repen" <curtis.repen@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: ibm displaywriter iii
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:39:41 EST
Reply-To: "curtis repen" <curtis.repen@canrem.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

AT>How do I translate between either RS-232 or parallel(PC), and 20ma???
AT>Currently, the only way I can think of is to get an olc DEC VT220 terminal
AT>and use it's 20ma loop as a printer device, and "echo to printer" from the
AT>serial port! :-(

  Contact:
    B&B Electronics
    4000 Baker Road,
    Ottawa IL 61350.
    (815) 434-0846

  They make and sell 232-> current loop converters. They have more than
  1 type, so make sure you get the right one.

  Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with B&B other than that we use
  these converters at work.

  ObFolklore:
    *Why* was current loop originally used, and why has it since been so
  completely replaced by voltage-level 232 ???

  ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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  Opinions expressed above are not those of my employer.  In fact, they
  ain't even mine.  I got 'em off the back of a (fnord) Fruit Loops box.

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From: Upholder@uiuc.edu (THE Upholder of Truth)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: And what about this DogCow business ? ( moof! )
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:29:31 GMT
Reply-To: Upholder@uiuc.edu (THE Upholder of Truth)
Organization: The University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)

jon%vector0.UUCP@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US (Dazed N. Confused) writes:

>willem@pub2.bu.edu (Willem van der Oord) writes:

>> Also, in some versions of the MacOS (less than 7, 6.0.7?) if you hold
>> down the option key while selecting About the Finder, you will see
>> the original picture of mountains that came with Finder 1.0.  If you
>> wait long enough Clarus will appear and say "Moof!" every once in a
>> while.

>     So that's why everything in the Mac world is so bloated.  So
>many damned easter eggs.

Well, the easter eggs and the 160,000 managers.. (has anyone done anything
productive with the vertical retrace manager?  anyone?)
-- 
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Upholder@uiuc.edu (BSD/ASCII mail)          retract this, but also
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.lang.apl
From: jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris)
Subject: Re: IBM PC APL, vintage 1983
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:57:50 GMT

mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington) writes:

>The other day I picked up a copy of IBM PC APL, vintage 1983, originally
>produced by the IBM Madrid Scientific Center.  

>I can't make it run.  It hangs at startup and won't respond to the keyboard.
>The most authentic machine I've tried it on was a PC with DOS 3.3 and
>a few TSRs.

>Am I going to have to go back to DOS 2.1 to make this interesting piece
>of software work?  Or do I have a corrupted disk?  Anyone still running it?

Did you get the documentation with it?  One irritating requirement for
running the IBM APL was that it required that you have a math chip in
your system; I have no idea if it actually checked for the presence
of the chip or if it just assumes that it's there and issues FP
opcodes.

That's one reason I bought the STSC version of APL.

Joe Morris / MITRE
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From: thayne@unislc.uucp (Thayne Forbes)
Subject: Re: More license places
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 08:02:21 GMT

> I saw one in Salt Lake City:
> BITMAN
> Either this person works with computers or horses.

Also here at Unisys in SLC are two cars labeled UNIX and UNIXYS 
(The second is a play on Unix and Unisys).

When I take delivery of my new car next week the license will read

WINDERS

Don't call me crazy.  I'm no worse than the two geeks above.

-- 
           "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."
                            -U.S. Vice President J. Danforth Quayl[e]
Thayne Forbes
thayne@unislc.slc.unisys.com
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From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: Computer Relics (Was: 9 track data storage?)
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:50:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.023736.47370@datamark.co.nz> tfarmer@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Farmer) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.205524.20552@nap.amoco.com> pgravel@nap.amoco.com (Philip L. Gravel) writes:
>
>>> 	Has anyone ever heard of a "9track tape" as data storage? 
>>
>>Pretty soon we'll hear question like:
>>
>>  Has anyone heard of a paper tape?
>>   "    "      "    " a punch card?
>>   "    "      "    " core memory?
>
>Has anyone heard of MS-Dos?
>
>Has anyone heard of Unix?
>
>Has anyone heard of main-frames?
>
>Has anyone heard of IBM?
>
>:-) :-) :-) * 20

Has anyone heard of usenet?

Happynet? (Kibo listening?)

cjl
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From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: dinosaur horsepower
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:48:58 GMT

In article <7566@public.BTR.COM> thad@public.BTR.COM (Thaddeus P. Floryan) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.155852.23608@sctc.com> smith@sctc.com (Rick Smith) writes:
>>[...]
>>I was a fan of papertape myself. (5 points: can you spot the pun?)
>
>Yep.  :-)
>
>Papertape often came fan-folded (like printer paper) in addition to
>being available in spooled form.
>
>5 more points if you can relate why some papertape was black and not
>the oiled-yellow or oiled-gray varieties. (hint: this was NOT done
>for cosmetic or advertising reasons).

Yeah, so I can read it on my PC04, which is photo-electric, not mechanical.
Oiled paper-tape passes too much light through itself so it can't see the
holes as different enough from the non-holes.

>
>And 10 more points if you can rationalize why the MYLAR-based tapes
>were still called "papertape." :-)

Mylar is stronger; use it for mucho-read tapes.  Better still is metalized
Mylar for the same reasons.  Sometimes used in carriage tapes in places
like Centronics Line printers.  I think one model of Tally printer included
a hand punch inside the printer for those without an ASR-33 or whatever 
available.

There is also METAL papertape for the ultimate in sturdiness.  Probably used
in NC applications.  Anyone know what kind DEC used for their Gardner-Denver
wire-wrapping machines that produced the PDP-8, etc. backplanes?

>
>Ah, papertape.  You could SEE your bytes, and nary a problem if dropped
>'cause the tape was linear (contrast dropping a deck of unverified punched
>cards :-)

Well, I also remember tapes that got patches with sticky sections of RUBOUT
tape when it got torn.  (NG for photoelectric readers :-(.)

btw, it's called RUBOUT because it's the code for all ones punched.  If you
made a mistake on a paper-tape on an ASR-33, you could backspace the tape
and then press RUBOUT which then changed the mistake to all holes punched
regardless of prior code.  Since RUBOUT codes are ignored, you then use the
correct code in the next frame.  The tape gets slightly longer, but doesn't
have to be started from scratch.

I think this convention was started with 5-level baudot tape.

cjl
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: You know you've been hacking too long...
Keywords: workstation, hacking, risks
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 17:04:23 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.094701.29178@cv.ruu.nl> anton@cv.ruu.nl (Anton H.J. Koning) writes:
>In <1992Jul23.152757.1506@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> gudjm@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (D John McKenna) writes:
>
>>Just out of curiosity... out of all of you hackers who wear a digital
>>watch, how many have it in 24 hour mode?
>
>  Not only do I have it in 24 hour mode, my watch also includes both a
>  scientific and a programmer's (hex, oct, dec, bin) calculator. I know
>  this immediately disqualifies me as a real hacker, because they don't
>  hex calculators ;-)

That's right, because all real hackers are either wizards or witches.  They
never use "programmer's calculators" and just do all the relevant aritmetic
mentally or possibly on paper if the mood suits.

In any case, wizards and witches would also probably practice actual
witchcraft, in which case they really would hex those calculators!  So,
yes, you are disqualified if you use a calculator, but not so if you cast
spells on them.

cjl
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: rbe@yrloc.ipsa.reuter.COM (Robert Bernecky)
Subject: Re: Date formats - International Standard
Reply-To: rbe@yrloc.ipsa.reuter.COM (Robert Bernecky)
Organization: Snake Island Research Inc, Toronto
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 14:24:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul17.102158.51346@qut.edu.au> fisher@qut.edu.au writes:
>In article <1992Jul14.132258.18111@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry) writes:
>> 
>> As a programmer, YY/MM/DD makes a lot of sense to me.  I often store
>> dates as YYMMDD, but more often as a Unix or DOS equivalent integer
>> constant.
>>
>My understanding is that the ISO were asked to consider whether the 
>world should adopt the American mm/dd/yy or Rest of the world dd/mm/yy 
>which does cause a lot if confusion.
>
>ISO replied that neither was logical and that we should use yy-mm-dd. I 
>believe the relevant standard is IS 2014. I have not read it but have 
>seen later derivatives.
>
>The International standard was officially adopted by most countries of 
>the world including the USA. Unfortunately in most countries this has 
>not been widely publicised.
>
>Given the obvious advantages from the point of view of sorting it would 
>be nice if Computing people pushed the standard. I only appear slightly 
>eccentric by using it and it makes for an interesting talking point.
>Note the standard specifies - not / or . as the separator which might 
>help to avoid confusion. See International Standard 8601 = Australian Standard 3802.

Yup. Some of us DO push the standard. The ISO APL Standard (ISO N8485)
pushes it, and SHARP APL uses ISO 2014 format for all timestamps:
    1992-07-20 13:05:33

The punctuation is in the standard, as is the requirement for 4-digit 
year, and the yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm:ss format. 
Note that it sorts nicely, because it's in the proper order.

The APL timestamp function is close to this, providing a 7-element
vector result(numeric) of:  year month day hour minute second milliseconds

The last element is historical (Aka IBM ) error. The proper solution 
would have been to make the seconds element fractional. 
Bob
From: s.telford@ed.ac.uk (Scott Telford)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: SUN == "San University Net|Node"?
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:07:02 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, UK.

In article <4819@calmasd.Prime.COM>, gdh@calmasd.Prime.COM (Gerald
Hall) writes:

> I can't remember.  SUN produced the first(?) Multibus MC68000 CPU
> board that could run UNIX (V7!) and about half a dozen companies
> licensed it and went into production.  SMI (Sun) was the only one to
> fully appreciate the importance of the graphics capabilities of
> this board and was the only one to really make it big. (Pun?)
 
Does anybody remember how the original SUN board (or the Sun-100, for that
matter) managed to run "real" Unix (Sun UNIX 1.0?), given that the
MC68000 didn't really have proper memory management? Did they use the
same "shadow memory" kludges used in the 68k ports of Minix?

-- 
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University of Edinburgh, Mayfield Rd, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK.
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: wargopl@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Peter L. Wargo)
Subject: FidoNet Address resolution question...
Summary: I need to know fidonet/internet address resolution.
Keywords: fidonet,question,help,address
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:53:52 GMT


(I couldn't think of where else to ask this...)

I'm trying to contact a friend who uses a BBS on the fidonet.  I know
there is a link between fido and the internet, but I don't know the
correct addressing procedure.

We'll call him John smith, and say his address is 1:267/54.

Anybody know how I can reach him?

-Pete

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