From: gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Enough of these lies (was Re: Creating Real Choices
Organization: Stay Awake Software
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 00:50:27 GMT

<1992Jul23.184638.19161@athena.cs.uga.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) said:
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>	First, both sides ignore one important question : Why do so
>many women believe abortion is the only viable option when facing a
>crisis pregnancy? And what can be done to make other options more
>attractive and more viable. Nobody likes the idea of abortion (there's
>a difference between being Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortions, and almost no
>one is pro-abortion). 

How dare you imply that the pro-abortion movement *likes* abortion!  Just
who the h*ll do you think you are?  All of us pro-abortioners on this net
have stated at one time or another that we would categorically *prefer*
that abortion wasn't necessary, but as long as it is necessary it should
be legally available.

This kind of slander is worthy of David Rasmussin or other rabid
pro-lifers, not someone who claims to be pro-choice.

>	Why aren't more people focusing on ways to make it easier for
>women to  have and keep their children?  

Because some women DO NOT WANT children, no matter how "easy" you want to
make it for them.  Stop trying to bribe/coerce women to do what you want
them to do.  If a women can't afford to be pregnant she shouldn't be
pregnant.

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>	Caring for a child also takes time.  In an age of more fluid
>parental roles, single parent families, and double income families, it
>is time to mandate paid parental leave in the workplace, equally and
>to all parents regardless of gender. I say both parents, regardless of
>gender because we live in a time when mothers and father in poor and
>middle class families have to work to keep the family afloat; equally
>and regardless of gender, because the assumption that only a woman can
>properly care for a child is outdated and arcane.  
>
>	As we live in economic times that require families to have two
>incomes, forcing both parents into the job market, there is an
>increased need for childcare.  Again, a state that is interested in
>protecting life ought to be interested in the quality of child care as
>if effects the quality of life.  Child care shoudl be availible to
>those who can't afford it otherwise.

Why?  Why do people want to continually give my tax money to people who
can't afford what they want (note: not *need*).  No one *needs* to have
children they can't afford.  If you want kids then wait until you can
afford them.  Stop expecting people to pay just because you want kids you
can't afford.

>	Another method of decreasing the demand for abortion is to
>increase the information and access women have concerning birth
>control.  A pregnancy that never happens can't become a crisis.
>Making sure that anyone who can get pregnant, or who can get someone
>else pregnant, has access to birth control ought to be a priority if
>abortion demand is to decrease.

Agreed.

>	All of the above measures would make it easier for women
>tohave and keep their children, or to avoid pregnangy altogether. 

Let's make it easier for me to buy and maintain an expensive sports car
too.  Heck, I don't *need* it, and I can't afford it myself, but I *want*
it, so everyone should just send me some money so I can do this.

>	On the Pro-Choice side of the debate there is a lot of energy
>understandably focused on vigilantly protected the right that has been
>law for the last 17 years or so.  However, those on the pro-choice
>side run the risk of appearing more pro-abortion than pro-choice.

And what's wrong with that?  Oh, that's right, you have the wrong
definition of pro-abortion.

>                                                                  I
>don't believe anyone really likes the idea of abortion, and I don't
>believe any woman makes that choice lightheartedly. 

Then why do you imply that pro-abortioners *do* like abortion?


Gordon
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Cathi, Nora, Jennifer, Sarah, Lynn, Diana (catwoman), and Diana (Sorceress), 
and married to a goddess among women, and proud of it all.
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