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From: AVFILM2@WATDCS.UWATERLOO.CA (Mark Ritchie)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: SMPTE Equipment Exhibition
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:38:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucbvax.9210160703.AA23330
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

During the 134th Technical Conference and Equipment Exhibition, 10-13
Nov. 1992, in Toronto,  there will be several events related to the
Equipment Exhibition.

1) Exhibition
  The equipment exhibt will be open from 10am to 6 pm on Tuesday,
Wednesday and Thursday and from 10am to 2pm on Friday.  Numerous
companies (about 200) from North America and abroad are scheduled to
exhibit the industry's newest products and latest innovations.

2) Consultants Center
  A special area in the exhibit hall will house some of the industry's
leading consulting firms.  Attendees will be able to obtain information
on products and services, and seek advice and solutions regarding
technical difficulties.

3) Panel Discussions
  In addition to the traditional papers presentations and product
displays, the conference will offer a two-part panel discussion open
to all attendees on Wednesday and Thursday from 12:30 to 1:30.  The
session is entitled "Effects of Digital Video on Future Processing."

4) New Technology Room
  This highly successful feature will again be featured at this year's
exhibit.  A number of companies are taking advantage of this facility,
which offers exhibitors a special location to introduce their wares and
services to the press and other interested parties.


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From: tstern@curtiss.seas.ucla.edu (Tsafrir Stern)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Mail-order companies for Hi-8mm camcorders
Summary: Don't buy from Genesis Camera!!
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:40:15 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

In article <1992Oct7.195033.4620@desire.wright.edu> pmisra@desire.wright.edu writes:
>Hi folks:
>
>I am in the market for Hi-8mm camcorder. I would appreciate your
>input on:
>1. What mail-order companies should I consider - I would like to
>   make sure they equipment carries US warranties.

WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T BUY FROM GENESIS CAMERA!!!
This is the biggest ripoff mail-order place. I know cause I got ripped off 
there (but thanx to the credit card company THEY suffered the loss - hehe).
They mess with warranties, and lie about the product. So stay away from them,
stick to other companies, and you should be all right (and always order with a 
credit card just in case they try to fool with you...)
From: pvh@apple.com (Pete Helme)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re:  Sony trinitron vs panasonic GAO ??
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:18:50 GMT
Followup-To: rec.video
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Oct12.163409.17878@ntmtv>, ntmtv!lchan@ames.arc.nasa.gov
wrote:
> 
> Are these models different from the regular XBR line??? I got a '93
> XBR catalog and it does not mention these models.  Also, the only
> superflat tubes mentioned was a 27" model.  What are other features
> of these new sets?
> 

Haven't seen one yet, but besides the new tube I think the only difference
is a better comb filter similar to the one found on last years 29" swivel
model.

name: Pete Helme
work: Apple Computer, Inc.
mail: pvh@apple.com
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: chrisp@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Chris Pelkie)
Subject: Re: Top 10 Fav films?
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:46:19 GMT

In article <y62zdtg@rpi.edu>, kimp@rs6414.ecs.rpi.edu (Phil Kim) writes:
|> In article <1binu7INN8i8@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, boisvert@joseph.WPI.EDU (Brian Richard Boisvert) writes:
|> |> In article <wg2zxk+@rpi.edu> kimp@rpi.edu writes:
|> |> >Okay, my List-Your-Laserdisc didn't work out, so how about your Top 10 Favorite films of all time?  I need (or want) to expand my tiny video library and would value others opinion.
|> |> >
|> |> >Anyway, this is my list (subject to change):
|> |> >	1. Raging Bull
|> |> >	2. Citizen Kane
|> |> >	3. Casablanca
|> |> >	4. 2001: A Space Odyssey
|> |> >	5. Ben-Hur
|> |> >	6. Notorious
|> |> >	7. The Godfather
|> |> >	8. Doctor Zhivago
|> |> >	9. Star Wars
|> |> >	10. Dr. Stragelove
|> |> 
|> |> 	Please take this sort of thing to rec.arts.movies or something.  
|> |> rec.video is not the place to clutter with film opinions.
|> |> 
|> |> -- 
|> |> Brian R. Boisvert    Worcester Polytechnic Institute    boisvert@wpi.wpi.edu
|> 
|> Sorry.  I thought any video-related topics are to be discussed here.

I think we're all interested in the quality of LDs (and videotapes to a lesser degree) of films,
but the discussion of the films themselves is handled best elsewhere. So if you're posting
your favorite LD list, that's one thing, but your favorite films are another. There's
also rec.video.releases to actually discuss newly released LD quality. I can never tell which group
I'm reading though, since the subject sloshes back and forth between them all
the time.
-- 
Chris Pelkie
Scientific Visualization Producer
Cornell Theory Center
Ithaca, NY 14853-3801
chrisp@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: dave@imax.imax.com (Dave Martindale)
Subject: Re: HDTV Myths (again)
Organization: Imax Corporation, Mississauga Canada
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:25:59 GMT

reha@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Reha Elci) writes:
>
>Another factor: the print film's resolution is fixed; better lens may
>improve the picture but there isn't much else you can do to it.
>You can take that same HDTV resolution and apply well-known image
>processing techniques to increase resolution (contrast enhancement for
>instance), to apply anti-aliasing and a host of other
>filters to come damn close to print film. So lets not despair.

Utter rubbish.

In the first place, film resolution increases as films and lenses get
better, and the increases are incremental - just use the new film stock,
or rent the better lens, and you get better results using your existing
camera and projector.  Film resolution is *not* fixed forever.

Second, image-processing techniques can increase the *contrast* of
an electronic image to make it look sharper, but that doesn't add any
detail that isn't already present.  Most filters *reduce* apparent
sharpness while performing some useful effect (grain reduction,
reducing aliasing, whatever).  Anyway, HDTV resolution is fundamentally
limited by the number of scanlines for vertical resolution and bandwidth
(analog) or pixel count (digital) for horizontal resolution.  And it happens
that the fundamental limits for all of the HDTV systems currently being
discussed is about half the resolution capability of 35mm film.

And a given HDTV system *is* forever limited to a particular horizontal
and vertical resolution figure.  To improve it, you develop a new
standard with more pixels (scanlines and bandwidth), discard all your
old video equipment, and buy all new stuff.

This generation of HDTV may be a significant improvement over NTSC.
But it's behind 35mm film, and will never catch up.  Another generation
of electronic system will be necessary for that.

	Dave
From: km@mathcs.emory.edu (Ken Mandelberg)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Video Quality of JVC 6800
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:12:38 GMT
Reply-To: km@mathcs.emory.edu
Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS

I've had a JVC 4700 SVHS machine for a year or so now, and like it a
lot. Based just on video quality its always looked as good to me as the
more expensive machines.

I just decided to add a second SVHS VCR, and figured I would go with
the new JVC 6800. It only sells for $100-200 more, and has some editing
features. I figured it would work well with the 4700. The review in
Video magazine gave it high marks for video quality (especially
compared with the older 6700).

Well my 6800 arrived and the surprise to me is that A/B'd against my
4700, the 6800's video quality is quite a bit worse than the 4700.
There is a lot more background noise on the 6800, which is particularly
obvious on dark scenes. The problem is a playback issue, not record. If
I interchange taoes recorded on the two machines, the noisy playback is
always on the 6800.

Has anyone else noticed this? I wonder if I'm really seeing a
difference between the models, or just a sample to sample variation.
Maybe I just happened to get a good 4700 and a bad 6800.


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From: sihong@rahul.net (Si-Hong Tong)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: CH LD Club, what should I get?
Summary: Star Wars trilogy
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:59:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: rahul.Bvv32z.F06
Distribution: na
Organization: a2i network

In article <SS.92Oct9080356@wpi.WPI.EDU>, ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
> >>>>> On 8 Oct 92 20:40:23 GMT, ahummel@ems.cdc.com (H. Austin Hummel) said:
> 
>  In article <1992Oct7.194749.22677@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, kho@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (kelvin.ho) writes:
> 
> |> I have decided to join the CH LD Club.
> |> Does anyone have any suggestion which LDs I should
> |> get for the first 3 LDs? 
> |> Should I get the most expensive LDs? Which ones cost the most $?
> 
> ahummel>  Kelvin, Pick out video's that you want. Ask yourself do you
> ahummel> want letterboxed, or musical or action, or clv, or cav and
> ahummel> concentrate in that area. Personally, I chose letterboxed
> ahummel> movies when I can and other that please me. If you follow
> ahummel> anyone else's opinion you might not get what you really want.
> ahummel> To thine onw self be true.
> 
> Lots of people have joined just to get the Star Wars Trilogy
> inexpensivly. That's why I did. The 3 in LBX for about $8
> 
> --
>  Scott Streeter                             Keeper of the Star Wars Archive
>  ss@wpi.wpi.edu                             wpi.wpi.edu        130.215.24.1


  I also plan to join CH LD club and get the SW Trilogy. But I've

seen (*) special notes on SW Trilogy in the catalog that they are not for

the $1 deal. Did I miss anything?


-- 
Si-Hong Tong <sihong@rahul.net>
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: CH LD Club, what should I get?
Date: 12 Oct 92 10:03:45
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: rehrauer@apollo.hp.com's message of Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:35:05 GMT

>>>>> On Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:35:05 GMT, rehrauer@apollo.hp.com (Steve Rehrauer) said:

rehrauer> In article <SS.92Oct9124021@wpi.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
>>>>>> On 9 Oct 92 15:59:23 GMT, sihong@rahul.net (Si-Hong Tong) said:
>sihong> I also plan to join CH LD club and get the SW Trilogy. But
>sihong> I've seen (*) special notes on SW Trilogy in the catalog that
>sihong> they are not for the $1 deal. Did I miss anything?
>
ss> You can get any 3 movies for your first 3 that Columbia House sells.
ss> It dosen't have to be just the movies in there add.

rehrauer> Interesting.  (I haven't read this entire thread, so pardon
rehrauer> me if I'm repeating old news.)  I was just sent a "rejoin
rehrauer> for Christmas" offer from Columbia House, and while the STAR
rehrauer> WARS trilogy is definitely among the offered titles, they
rehrauer> are NOT the letterboxed versions.  Not only are they not so
rehrauer> marked in the descriptions, but the covers shown are
rehrauer> definitely the P&S versions.  Other letterboxed titles are
rehrauer> listed, correctly.

rehrauer> Perhaps they're losing a bit of money on these three?  One
rehrauer> wonders what percentage of new members have popped for $210
rehrauer> (list) worth of SW discs as their introductory offer.

They probably are loosing some bucks. Many people (like me) joined
just for the Star Wars set. I bought 2 more (Repo Man, Meaning of
Life) and cancelled. Of course I still get flooded with there mail.

--
 Scott Streeter                             Keeper of the Star Wars Archive
 ss@wpi.wpi.edu                             wpi.wpi.edu        130.215.24.1
From: cicero@hotcity.COM (Andreas Locicero)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: What is SVHS Really?
Date: 10 Oct 92 09:14:16 PST
Organization: BBS

In response to a posting of mine, I have gotten a bit of mail informing me that
I was incorrect in my statement that in SVHS, the Y and C signals are recorded
separately on the tape.  :o

I am surprised to hear this.  I have thought this to be true for years.  I
originally learned this "fact" from an article in Video Systems several years
ago which described some of the (then) new video formats.  I'm wondering who
else out there has information on this.  Does anyone else think SVHS records Y
and C separately, and those of you who do not, how do you know?  Where did you
get your information?  I'm not saying you'r wrong, I just want to invesigate a
bit further.

One thing troubles me:  If SVHS does not record Y/C signals separately, then
what the heck is S-Video.  The purpose of the S-Video connector (as I
understand it) is to carry the separate Y/C signals from the source deck to a
record deck or monitor WITHOUT COMBINING THEM INTO COMPOSITE VIDEO.  This is
only an advantage if they are separate on the source tape.  If they have
already been composited, then the NTSC artifacts have already been introduced
and spliting them again would be pointless (in fact it would probably add more
"noise").

So, if SVHS records a normal composite signal, with the only advantage being
that it uses a different tape formulation to allow a stronger signal strength,
then what is S-Video, and why do we bother talking about Y/C?

Any informed insights would be helpful.

Thanks all.

A.J.

A.J. LoCicero >> cicero@hotcity.com

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This message comes to you from beautiful Morgan Hill, California, U.S.A.:
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From: aris@unisup1.uucp (Aris Stathakis)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: UK TV Frequencies
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:40:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: unisup1.1992Oct13.124016.19442
Organization: Lasernet (pty) Ltd.

Hi.

Just a quick question.  Does anyone know what the UK television frequencies
are?  Do they use VHF and UHF, or only VHF or only UHF?

Please respond by e-mail.

Thanks

Aris

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From: nakao@mott.seas.ucla.edu (David Nakao)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: CLD-2090B and CLD-31 Elite
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:15:16 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles


	A local laserdisc store is selling the refurbished CLD-2090B for
$449 and I was curious to know how this price compares to what other stores
are charging.  Are there any well-known mail-order sources for any of the
other refurbished models?

	On the Elite 31, has anyone seen one around for sale lately?  I
can't seem to find one anywhere.  For anyone curious, this is the bottom
end of the Elite serious and had a retail of $700 or so.  But since
I can't find anyone who sells them, I have no idea how much they really
go for or if they're going at all.
Thanks
nakao@seas.ucla.edu
From: ahummel@ems.cdc.com (H. Austin Hummel)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Rear-Projection TV
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:55:47 GMT
Reply-To: you@ems.cdc.com
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

I am looking at getting a 50"+ Rear Projection TV, and I am currently
considering the RCA P52152ST model. Any one out there who has this
model could you e-mail me your expoeriences with it?

Also, ANy experiences with any 50"+ projection TV would be appiciated.
From: alanlb@bethesda.cs.vt.edu (Alan L. Batongbacal)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Fantasia CAV side 5 problem?
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:58:47 GMT

Hi there!  I own a CAV copy of Fantasia which has never been
played, owing to my lack of an LD player.  Recently while browsing
through Bob Niland's superb FAQs, I saw a sentence referring to
a problem on side 5 of some prints.  My questions: is there a way
of telling whether my set has this problem without having to actually
play the disc?  What is the problem anyway?  Can I simply exchange
the disc/set for another which in known to have no problems?

Thanks!

alan l. batongbacal
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: List your laserdisc titles
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:42:04 GMT
	<1992Oct13.223809.15338@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: jonke@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov's message of 13 Oct 92 22:38:09 GMT


> Why would anybody want to do this?
> 
> I can't think of anything more boring than a list of the 300 titles
> I have, the 500 titles Bob Niland has, etc. I would guess that the
> sum total would be pretty close to the current catalog.

jonke> Think of the entertainment value, though -- all those LDs are
jonke> going to be obsolete in years to come!  What a waste of money!

Hey, just think of all those people buying pre-made VCR movies. Yikes!

--
 Scott Streeter                             Keeper of the Star Wars Archive
 ss@wpi.wpi.edu                             wpi.wpi.edu        130.215.24.1
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: CAV variable frame rate? (was Re: CAV vs CLV)
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:41:41 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <.5.Oct.92.09:54:12.A102EB@UK.CO.SSS.A> Vision@a.salford-software-services.co.uk writes:
<astroatc!vidiot!brown@speedy.wisc.edu  (Vidiot) writes:
< 
<>Who the Hell are these people?  They are idiots.
< 
<Not necessarily...
< 
<>Videodiscs are a video medium and as such must record at the rate of the
<>country it is used in.  TVs cannot except video rates of 24 frames a second.
<>They would croak and you would get a picture that rolls, alot.
< 
<Well I, and a lot of other European users, regulary watch NTSC (60Hz) media
<on our PAL (50Hz) sets.  The Pioneer LD player and Mitsubishi VCR I use
<both output a 30fps signal when fed from NTSC software.  On one of my TVs
<a slight vertical hold change is needed, the other (much newer) set syncs
<perfectly.  If they can both deal with a 5fps increase, I suspect they could
<also handle a 1fps drop.

The frame rate difference between PAL and NTSC is not all that great, with
the vertical only being 10 Hz off (field rate) and only about 125 Hz off for
the horizontal rate.

What made me call those guys idiots is that they actually believed that video
was recorded on the LD at a rate of 24 Hz (or 48 fields per second).  Going that
slow would also result in many more scan lines and a lousy flicker.

They obviously don't know how video works, how film is transferred to video and
how LDs work.  To make a statment like they did really shows how stupid they
are.

Yes, many TVs will accept a change from 60 Hz to 50 Hz, and vice-versa, but
a NTSC TV will probably roll when fed 48 Hz field rate.  Many sets roll now
with 50 Hz, and like you said, a vertical hold adjust is necessary.  So, feeding
a 48 Hz video would make the TV roll and they never mentioned that, nor did they
mention that the picture size would be way off.  Dumb, plain dumb.
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Newsgroups: rec.video
From: mizera@arcturus.amasd.anatcp.rockwell.com (Ellen Mizera)
Subject: Panasonic 20" TV/VCR
Organization: Rockwell International
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 00:34:34 GMT

I find myself in need of a decent TV to watch
my LDs on and also another VCR...

I saw a Panasonic 20" TV/VCR that I would consider
buying, but would like to know if anyone knows anything
good or bad about the TV/VCR combination and/or about
whether Panasonic is a good TV. I don't remember the
model #, but it did have RCA plugs for the LD.

Please post - our mailer is currently having troubles.


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Rockwell International
Anaheim, California
(714)762-2665
mizera@power.amasd.anatcp.rockwell.com
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Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Letterbox extravaganza on TNT!
From: gutierrez@mdcbbs.com
Date: 16 Oct 92 06:37:20 GMT
Organization: Electronic Data Systems, Unigraphics Division, Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: darren

In article <1992Oct15.161559.407@linus.mitre.org>, m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White) writes:
> Lauren Weinstein writes:
>> Greetings.  Just thought I'd drop a note to inform everyone of
>> the letterboxed films to be shown in November on TNT.  
> 
> Is it just me, or does anyone else out there *hate* letterboxed
> films?  Yes, yes, I understand about all the cropping and lost
> image area, but I find the black bands and smaller picture 
> area distracting in the extreme, and would rather put up the
> the cropping.  If/when they get HDTV or whatever with picture tubes
> of the proper aspect ratio, then all well and good, but until then,
> give me a full-screen image, and damn the cropping!
> 
> ************************
> * These are my opinions only.*
> ************************


	I feel exactly the same way you do, Mike.  I simply abhor those
	wide screen or letterboxed editions of laser movies.  The ugly
	looking black bands (top & bottom) not only take one-third of
	the TV screen but, worse, the smaller-sized picture images
	give you the very distracting perception of being squeezed or
	scrunched vertically.

	The wide screen edition of a film might be what was shown in a
	movie theater; however, you don't see any black bands when you
	watch said film in a moviehouse. 

	I'm just glad that letterboxed or wide screen films cost more
	than pan-and-scan (P&S) types (e.g., the LBX edition of Star
	Wars = $69.98; the P&S edition = $39.98).