HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright)
Newsgroups: sci.econ
Subject: Re: Herbert Simon's Theory of Bounded Rationality
Date: 5 Jan 1993 23:14:41 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu
Keywords: economics


In article <1993Jan4.223820.19923@bnr.ca> momtahan@bnr.ca (Parham Momtahan) writes:

|Can one of the economics pros provide a clear, brief explanation
|for an amature? I'm particularly interested in getting
|an appreciation of its practical implications.

I am not a pro, but it goes something like this. In order to be
rational, it follows you must maximize something. Also, the
operational definition of rationality is  maximizing an objection
function subject to all available information. Implicitly, it is
assumed that you use all available information in an efficient way,
and that the model of the economy is known. This ensures you don't
keep on making the same mistakes or acting on nominal and not real
values.

Bounded rationality says that there are costs to obtaining the
information or maximizing the objective function. Thus, we are not
"rational" but nearly so.

Another approach is to alter the assumption that the model of the
ecomy is known, and that in fact it has to be learned. This literature
attempts to discover the process of learning. It turns out that
economy is complicated enough, then people can make the same mistakes
over and over and "Not one man in a million" can tell you where you
went wrong....


-- 
"There is nothing in the marginal conditions that     
    distinguish a mountain from a mole hill"            
                      Kenneth Boulding                             

					All comments  are mine---(David Wright) 
						david@cats.ucsc.edu.
Newsgroups: sci.econ
From: kevin@drogges.tti.com (Kevin Carothers)
Subject: Re: Book on computer industry's effect on economy
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:38:12 GMT

In article <C0720I.MKH@iat.holonet.net> kellys@orac.holonet.net (Kelly Schwarzhoff) writes:
% > I doubt you'll find a book like that. Have you tried computerized
% > literature searches through a library? They can turn up books &
% > articles. I expect what you want will be in papers, not books. My
% > experience (in researching engineering) is that the innovative stuff
% > is presented at conferences & that scholarly journals print "old
% > news"
%
%I tried searching through melvyl and gladis (UC and UCB's electronic card 
%catalog) but I had problems trying to categorize what I was looking for.
%What do you say when you're looking for economic statistics of the computer
%industry's effects? Do you have any suggestions as to which papers I could
%look for?

 The book "The Competitive Advantage Of Nations" (Michael Porter, Free Press,
 ISBN 0-02-925361-6) discusses this quite well. Mr. Porter examines computers
 and s/w from the standpoint that s/w is a "service industry", and that these
 products (sw/hw) are "factors" utilized by other "cluster's" of industries.

 Although Computers && software are just a few of the industries discussed,
 (about 30 pages out of ~780 :-), it is quite an interesting  bit of research.
 Although it's quite a large book, it is very readable, and if you have 
 any interest in macro economics, you probably won't be able to put it 
 down.

 Mr. Porter teaches at Harvard. Possibly someone on the Net with contacts 
 up in the Harvard econ dept. can add some more info.

--

Kevin Carothers  {psivax,philabs,retix,quad1}!ttidca!kevin
Newsgroups: sci.econ
From: hanson@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Robin Hanson)
Subject: Seeking Career Path for Proposing Institutions
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:12:49 GMT

I don't care much about economic models or theories, per se, though I
do know a bit about them.  What thrills me is to imagine somewhat
radical alternatives to current economic institutions, critiquing and
analyzing them in the hope of finding candidates plausible enough to
be worth larger scale trials, and perhaps implementation.  To me,
everything else, math, concepts, history, regressions, experiments,
etc., are only tools to this end.

I have worked as a amateur for several years, imagining and critiquing
alternative ways to fund research, reach policy-relevant consensus,
buy health care, manage conversations, and privately enforce law.  Now
I am considering going back for a Ph.D., to become an academic, and
seek your advice about the most effective way to reach my goals, while
avoiding pitfalls and detours.

My current best plan is to go to CalTech in Econ, studying incentive
compatibility and experimental economics.  Experiments seem attractive
as a ideologically-neutral way to suggest the relative value of
institutions without requiring complete models of the values,
information, and strategies of the actors, and some interesting
alternatives like combinitorial auctions have come out of this work.
However, some people tell me I should just write a book based on my
work and skip the PhD route.  Other suggested PhD routes include "just
go to highest rank econ school you can get in", or going into business
or public policy.

I have a MS in Physics from U Chicago, an MA in Philosophy of Science
from same, have spend 5 years doing AI research and 3 years doing
Bayesian statistics here at NASA.  Have published and given talks on
the alt. research/policy proposal.  GRE: Math 93% Verb 99% Anal 93%
Physics 99%.

Yes one strategy is to get tenure any way possible, and then do what
you want, but you might not remember by then.  The opposite strategy
is to just stay an amateur, with complete control over what free time
I have, but it's hard to get folks to listen to you this way.  In
academia, there are risks of getting so much into the detail of
current institutions that one cannot bear to consider radical
alternatives, or of being so far in math/theory land that one can no
longer generate realistic/useful alternatives. 

Reply privately, or publicly if you think others might benefit from
your comments. 

Robin Hanson  hanson@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov 
415-604-3361  MS-269-2, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA 94035
510-651-7483  47164 Male Terrace, Fremont, CA  94539-7921 
-- 


Robin Hanson  hanson@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov 
415-604-3361  MS-269-2, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA 94035
Newsgroups: sci.econ
From: DDFr@Midway.UChicago.Edu (David Friedman)
Subject: Re: Declining Intro Enrolments
Followup-To: sci.econ
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:47:27 GMT

In article <1hl507INNoaq@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>, Hal.Varian@umich.edu
discusses his views on teaching economics in the context of his textbook
and classes. I have not been teaching principles in recent years, but I am
interested in teaching micro, both as a teacher (although only occasionally
of late, since I am currently at a law school) and textbook author, so I
thought I would put in a few comments.

One of the problems in teaching economics is that the students think they
already know it. The subject is all around them, and many of our technical
terms are words, such as "efficiency," whose meaning they think they know.
So a student goes along for a month "translating" the logical structure he
is being taught into a much fuzzier form along the lines of what he already
knows and only discovers that he is missing something when he fails the
midterm.

One solution to this I like is to get strongly counterintuitive results.
When you reach a conclusion the student knows is wrong (one of my favorites
is the argument showing that legalized polygeny benefits women but not
necessarily men, and vice versa for legalized polyandry) he suddenly has to
pay attention.

So far as computer programs, I think it is possible to do much more than
automated testing. I have a collection of three programs that go with my
text (all of which I wrote). In one, which is designed to help students
intuit the calculus concepts that they forgot from the previous year's math
course, the student draws either TC, MC, or AC freehand on the screen (with
a mouse), while the computer draws in one or both of the others. That way
the student can play around with the curve, trying to how the curves are
related. In another you have a MacDraw like environment for doing budget
line indifference curve diagrams. My original idea is that if a student
encounters indifference curves as a picture in a book showing 3 of them, he
will assume there is nothing in between. If he encounters them as "click
anywhere, the program draws the indifference curve through that point" he
is more likely to get the intuition that they are dense.
Newsgroups: sci.econ
From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: GDP and GNP 
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:01:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.223758.13567@seq.uncwil.edu> bgoffe@seq.uncwil.edu (Bill Goffe) writes:

>GDP is the value of all output in a country (even if it is produced
>by a foreign firm in the U.S., say), while GNP (for the U.S.) is the
>value of output by U.S. firms. Thus, it includes output by U.S. firms 
>outside the U.S. and does not include output by non-U.S. firms in the
>U.S. Thus, GDP better measures what is happening in the U.S.
>
>The change from GNP to GNP just recently occured in the U.S. I could
>be wrong here, but I think that the U.S. is among the last to do so.
>GDP if pretty much used around the world.

     This is correct.  The 1992 Economic Report of the President has a
very good description and analysis of economic statistics in Chapter 7.
     The US has been using National Income and Product Accounts (NIPA),
for which GNP was a primary statistic.   The United Nations uses the
System of National Accounts (SNA), which focuses on GDP.  The US is
going to gradually switch to SNA during the 1990s.

--Mike Tamada
  Occidental College
  tamada@oxy.edu
From: rs69@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Rong Shen)
Newsgroups: sci.econ
Subject: financial education
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:34:19 GMT
Organization: Columbia University

Hi experts:

	I want to educate myself in the area of finance, but books are
rather expensive. It would be wise to own and to read a book that
financial analysts consider indispensable even if it is expensive. The
gaps in understanding can be filled by using the resources in the
public libraries.

	The indispensable book that I am think about is

	_T_h_e _F_i_n_a_n_c_i_a_l _A_n_a_l_y_s_t_s_' _H_a_n_d_b_o_o_k by Sumner Levine;
	Business One Irwin Publications.

	Buying many textbooks each of which covering a narrow area of
finance (such as stocks, bonds, etc.) may be more costly.

	If you were in my position, what would you do? Thanks for any
hints.

Rong
--
rs69@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
From: msingleton@Parthenon.Tacoma.WA.US (Mike Singleton)
Newsgroups: u3b.tech
Subject: 3B5 hardware
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 15:52:37 PST
Organization: Parthenon - Public Internet Access Division - Tacoma,WA.

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From: odevil@sargas.inria.fr (Olivier Devillers)
Newsgroups: fnet.general,inria.rocq,resif.divers,soc.culture.french,sophia.achats-ventes,sophia.logement
Subject: Appartement a vendre, Paris Nation
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:13:16 GMT
Followup-To: fnet.general
Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr)



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From: Christophe.Wolfhugel@grasp.insa-lyon.fr (Christophe Wolfhugel)
Newsgroups: fnet.general,resif.admin,soc.culture.french,fdn.admin,frmug.general,gna.admin
Subject: Re: RESUME: Une hierarchie de news pour la communaute francophone ?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 13:21:16 +0100
Organization: INSA Informatique (Grasp), Lyon, France
NNTP-Posting-Host: grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr

hleroy@irisa.fr (Hugues Leroy) propose:
> je dirais pluto^t:      fr.annonces.
>                         fr.reseaux ?

Un lecteur qui ne desire pas s'exprimer publiquement m'a fait la meme
remarque.  Du moins pour les groupes ne traitement pas de l'informatique,
(et peut-etre de la technique ?) les noms devraient etre en francais.
Ce lecteur m'a notamment fait remarquer le ridicule de "fr.rec.cooking"
alors que "fr.rec.cuisine" (rec pour recreatif) serait plus adapte.

Il m'a egalement ete suggere:  fr.comp.lang.ada.

> et que diriez vous des groupes:
>
>        fr.comp.parallel (Mode're')
>        fr.comp.org.afuu

Bonne idee !    Faut-il preferer fr.org.afuu ?  Ceci afin de pouvoir mettre
dans le meme tas des organismes ne traitant pas forcement de l'informatique
sans avoir a recreer un "org" ailleurs ?

Hugues, es-tu volontaire pour moderer fr.comp.parallel ?

Par ailleurs, Jerome Hardouin (dans un message poste) a aussi fait
remarquer qu'un fr.quelue-chose.culture fait double emploi avec
soc.culture.french.

|> Un recent (2 mois) sendsys effectue dans "resif.admin" a permis de
|> collecter plus de 140 reponses, donc plus des 2 tiers viennent de
|> sites nord-americains.

>      ailleurs que du Canada (Quebec)???

Oui, des sites Quebecois ont bien sur repondu au sendsys, mais de nombreux
sites (plusieurs dizaines) aux Etats-Unis ont repondu.  Les groupes
sont notamment recus sur UUNET, chez DEC (dec.com) ou l'ensemble
des sites du reseau prive peuvent obtenir ces groupes, comme DEC Evry
par exemple, le JPL (Nasa) recoit aussi ces groupes.

-- 
Christophe Wolfhugel    |    Email: Christophe.Wolfhugel@grasp.insa-lyon.fr
Newsgroups: fnet.general,resif.admin,soc.culture.french,fdn.admin,frmug.general,gna.admin
From: ricou@ixia.NoSubdomain.NoDomain ()
Subject: Re: RESUME: Une hierarchie de news pour la communaute francophone ?
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 12:49:15 GMT

 Je suis en parfaite harmonie avec le vibrant Paco, xxx.cooking m'a fait
un choc. Et comme il dit : on se fout de l'homogeneite. D'ailleurs je pense 
que dans xxx.cooking les intervenants s'exprimeront en francais, alors ou 
est l'homogeneite tant desiree ?

 Et si je fais parti des gugusses trouvant que ordi. a la place de comp. n'est
pas plus mal, je veux bien admettre que l'on conserve le tronc classique de
l'arborescence. Mais de grace, que les terminaisons soient francophones, 
surtout pour xxx.bouffe !

							Olivier.
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From: Christophe.Wolfhugel@grasp.insa-lyon.fr (Christophe Wolfhugel)
Newsgroups: fnet.general,resif.admin,soc.culture.french,fdn.admin,frmug.general,gna.admin
Subject: fr.*: La liste est-elle trop longue ? (was RESUME...)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 17:03:19 +0100
Organization: INSA Informatique (Grasp), Lyon, France
NNTP-Posting-Host: grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr

Gilles Rech:
> Je crois que liste proposee par Christophe est trop longue.

La liste est longue.  C'est un fait.   Trop, je n'ai pas d'avis
bien arrete dessus.

Si elle est trop longue, quels sujets faut-il banir dans un premier
temps et lesquels conserver:

> Votons d'abord pour la creation des groupes necessaires (fr.news.*
> et fr.annonces.*) et des groupes fr correspondant a des groupes qui
> existaient deja dans les hierarchies resif, fnet, fdn, gna et frmug.

Ca fait leger malgre tout.  La creation de groupes apres ce
morceau initial sera longue.  Et je vois mal les lecteurs suivre
avec interet 20 ou 30 votes paralleles...

L'erreur qui avait ete comise avec "resif" a son debut est justement
que ca a commence "tout petit".  Seulement voila, personne n'a rien
propose apres.  Et des echanges de courrier ont permis de noter que
les lecteurs "n'osaient pas" parce que ils ne voulaient pas trop
s'immiscer dans le cercle restreint de l'epoque.  Si "fr" demarre
avec une liste (trop) reduite, est-ce que les gens vont ensuite faire
les propositions, discussions, etc... (ca demande du temps pour
faire passer, mais aussi pour lire les messages...).

Le probleme souleve par Gilles est clair: ou s'arrete la masse critique ?
Que peut-on virer dans cette longue liste ?  Je trouve que tel que
propose actuellement, de nombreux sujets sont abordes et donnent un
point de depart aux nouveaux utilisateurs.

> On pourra toujours pour eviter les confusions faire circuler
> des checkgroups avec commentaire dans les deux langues.

Sur ceci la reponse technique est simple: non.  Il y a un checkgroups
(un vrai) et il peut y avoir d'autres traduits, mais ils ne doivent pas
circuler avec un "Control: checkgroups".  Les sites ne peuvent pas choisir
lequel conserve: ce serait le dernier arrive !

-- 
Christophe Wolfhugel    |    Email: Christophe.Wolfhugel@grasp.insa-lyon.fr
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From: gilles@cismhp.univ-lyon1.fr (Gilles Rech)
Newsgroups: fnet.general,resif.admin,soc.culture.french,fdn.admin,frmug.general,gna.admin
Subject: Re: RESUME: Une hierarchie de news pour la communaute francophone ?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 13:41:02 GMT
Organization: C.I.S.M., Universite Claude Bernard & INSA, Lyon, France.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cismhp.univ-lyon1.fr
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Bonjour,
Je crois que liste proposee par Christophe est trop longue. Votons
d'abord pour la creation des groupes necessaires (fr.news.* et fr.annonces.*)
et des groupes fr correspondant a des groupes qui existaient deja dans les
hierarchies resif, fnet, fdn, gna et frmug.
La creation des autres groupes devra se discuter dans fr.news.annonce.newgroups
une fois que la base de la hierarchie fr sera creee.

D'accord avec Eric Noyau sur le fait de ne conserver que la regle des
deux tiers pour valider la creation d'un groupe.  

Quant au debat sur les noms francais ou anglais, je crois qu'il serait
quand meme de conserver la hierarchie de nommage en vigeur dans USENET du 
moins pour fr.comp.*, fr.network.*, fr.news.* et prendre des noms francais
pour fr.rec.*. On pourra toujours pour eviter les confusions faire circuler
des checkgroups avec commentaire dans les deux langues.

Amicalement,
--
Gilles Rech.

Newsgroups: fnet.general,resif.admin,soc.culture.french,fdn.admin,frmug.general,gna.admin
From: chris@fdn.org (Christian Paulus)
Subject: Re: RESUME: Une hierarchie de news pour la communaute francophone ?
Reply-To: chris@fdn.org
Organization: FdN - French Data Network
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:48:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.094844.4599@imag.fr> laurent@archi.imag.fr (Jacques  
LAURENT) writes:
[...]
> Rq: Concernant s.c.f, nous avons (a Grenoble) notre .culture local, 
> egalement fnet.culture existe (il me semble), alors pourquoi pas un 
> fr.*.culture, meme s'il est peu utilise (infos specifiquement nationales)
> relativement a un s.c.f dont on connait les tenants :-)
> 

	De mon cote' aussi je trouverais dommage de ne pas s'offrir un tel  
nexsgroup. Meme s'il y a fort a` parier qu'au debut, il ne soit que peu  
utilise'.
	Comment est diffuse' soc.culture.french en France ? Peut-on penser que  
certains recevront fr.*.culture et pas soc.culture.french ?

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From: blaise@dbmac.fdn.org (Blaise THAUVIN)
Newsgroups: fnet.general,resif.admin,soc.culture.french,fdn.admin,frmug.general,gna.admin
Subject: Re: RESUME: Une hierarchie de news pour la communaute francophone ?
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 21:53:24 +0100 (MET)
Organization: Individual
Reply-To: blaise@dbmac.fdn.org (Blaise THAUVIN)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


Je ne vais pas citer tous ceux qui ont fait des remarques judicieuses,
mais vous vous reconnaitrez...

Je suis contre les groupes a noms francises mais il faut bien reconnaitre
que fr.rec.cooking est ridicule. Cepandant, cuisine existe en anglais
et represente la vraie cuisine (celle qui est mangeable :-) ) fr.rec.cuisine
est donc acceptable, meme pour les gens comme moi, partisants de la
langue anglaise dans les noms.

Les idees qui me plaisent:

fr.comp.lang.oo 

fr.comp.windows.x11      Systeme de fenetrage X11
fr.comp.windows.ms       Systeme de fenetrage MS-WINDOWS
fr.comp.windows.nextstep Systeme de fenetrage NeXTStep

fr.COMP.networks au lieu de fr.networks

fr.sci.maths et fr.sci en general

Mais ou est Fnet? Toujours aucun message en provenance de l'autre
cote du monde. Est-ce que vous nous entendez? (lire ceci a haute voix
et attendre une reponse!) Ne sommes nous pas en train de refaire Resif
sur de nouvelles bases? 
Les choses semblent avancer, mais sans le principal interlocuteur.

Blaise

-------------------------------------
Blaise THAUVIN  94100 Saint-Maur   FRANCE
blaise@dbmac.fdn.org 
Newsgroups: fnet.general,resif.divers
From: nguyenth@amertume.ibp.fr (Thao Nguyen)
Subject: Concours SVM???
Organization: Universite PARIS 7 - UFR d'Informatique
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:01:29 GMT

Salut,

Personne au courant du concours de Science et Vie Micro de
dec92 et Jan93?
Ca serait sympa de s'echanger des infos....
Je posterai mes reponses (dont j'ai le feeling qu'elles soient bonnes!)
et on pourra commencer....n'oublier pas: fin du concours ~25 janvier.

Chao,

-- 
Thao
Believe it or not but I have no e-mail address!
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