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From: chattend@csar.encore.com (Chuck Hattendorf)
Subject: Re: Ozzie UFOs
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:10:46 GMT

Jim.Atwell@f851.n800.z3.fidonet.org (Jim Atwell) writes:

>Are any readers of this group interested in regular postings of 
>up-to-date Australian UFO reports?

>If so, post a reply. If there's a reasonable response I'll 
>organize some regular postings.

>Regards,
>          Jim Atwell          |  UFO Research (SA) Inc.
>                              |  PO Box 281
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>          3:800/851           |  Australia


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Jim,
	I, for one, would be interested in Aussie UFO reports. Also reports
of sightings,etc. from the U.S. for that matter! I thought that would make up
the majority of entries on this newsgroup when I subscribed...sounds like
another newsgroup could be formed. Thanks!                   

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From: clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Astral Train Repair.
Date: 7 Jan 93 10:28:50 GMT
Reply-To: clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli)
Organization: The University of Edinburgh

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
> 
> Dear Folks: Bad news the Astral Train is still in the repair shop. They

To: John_-_Winston

What about the European Astral Train? I haven't heard anything recently.
I'd like to join either train, but the US one has a very bad timing for
me - I have to go to work a few minutes after the advertised departure time.

 
--
Claudio Calvelli (formerly "The Voting Booth") - clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk
From: sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293)
Subject: Global Deception Conference
Keywords: William Cooper, Cover-ups
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 11:40:57 GMT

Is anybody going to the Global Deception Conference being held at
Wembley Arena on Saturady 9th and Sunday 10th January??

There is a weird mix of things. The speakers include :

	Robert Strecker - described as a doctor and expert on AIDS, who
	                  will present evidence that AIDS is a man-made
	                  disease
	                  
	Eustace Mullins - who is described as the world's leading conspiricy
	                  historian
	                  
	Jan M. van Toorn - 'an independant political and medical researcher'
	                    who has many and powerful documents about
	                    secret mass hypnosis and mind control programs
	                    
	David Summers    - an Australian journalist who will reveal 
	                   documents and show actual film footage of top-
	                   secret information which has been kept from the
	                   world for 50 years
	                   
	Vladimir Terziski - an authority on antigravity and advanced
	                    spaceflight propulsion
	                    
	Norio Hayakawa    - an expert on 'black projects' and secret
	                    technology
	                    
	Jordan Maxwell    - an expert on secret societies
	
        William Cooper    - well known in UFO circles, described as
                            the world's top specialist on the inner
                            workings of the New World Order
                            
The leaflet I have does not mention the word UFO anywhere, but the
line up with Bill Cooper and the others suggests very strongly that
it is very much a 'the aliens are here and working with the Government
who are keeping the truth from you' type event. Anybody have any
insights?

Is anybody going? And could post a report???

(For anyone thinking of attending: 
   it runs from 10am until 10pm each day
   tickets are 10.75, 15.60 or 20.50 pounds per day
           or  17.50, 25.50 or 31.00 pounds for two days
   available from Wembley Arena or Virgin Megastore)

	               
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Phone: +44 81 869 3293  JANET: s.gamble@uk.ac.crc INTERNET: s.gamble@crc.ac.uk
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: i have a question
Date: Fri,  8 Jan 93 02:41:05 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: alt
  <1993Jan5.170307.3813@eye.com>

Dear Question Askers: I'll try to get the answers to your question
soon if I can get the time to do it.
John Winston
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Why I put physics here.
Date: Tue,  5 Jan 93 08:46:36 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Folks: This all reminds me of the old song words that say, Why is
everybody always picking on me.
John Winston
From: petert@zikzak.apana.org.au (Peter T.)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re George Adamski-Fraud?
Date: 10 Jan 1993 11:31:34 GMT
Organization: Zikzak public access UNIX, Melbourne Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: zikzak.apana.org.au
Newsreader: MS Windows WinVN

Re: comments from jeffp@netcom.com
About the Adamski documentary, I tend to agree with you that the man appeared fairly genuine,
bit new-age-ish, but I can live with that.
In the film they quickly flashed his book called: "Insides of space ships, UFO experiences of 
George Adamski" Lucky I had the vcr going! {did I say that?}.What inteseted me about the book 
was that apparently it shows some sort of technical drawrings of alien craft.
Does anyone know about these drawrings?
If you do please let me know.

Thankyou
Peter T.
From: rkrouse@netcom.com (Robert K. Rouse)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: the Einstein conspiracy (TM)??
Date: 6 Jan 93 02:10:58 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

There is a theory that the Germans developed a flying saucer
craft before the end of WWII.  Vladimir Terziski makes a
pretty good case for this in his lectures at UFO EXPO events.
His lectures are mind blowers.  He as pictures of UFOs with
tank turrets attached.  He even has a documentry film (in 
German) about the ships.

Also, if you like fiction, the book: "Projekt Saucer - Inception"
by W.A. Harbinson is about their development.  I really liked
the book because of the insight into the Nazi mind.

There is no need for a Unified Field Theory to build a flying
saucer they could be powered by air-breathing engines or they
could use an effect of anti-gravity that is not understood
theoretically.
-- 
============================================================
  "No creature that is intelligent and with the right
   values is an alien to me."
						John Salter
============================================================
	Robert K. Rouse		rkrouse@netcom.com
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From: u2nmh@csc.liv.ac.uk (N.M. Humphries)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: John Winston=fucking wanker
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:56:38 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Title says it all really.
From: golight@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Date: 11 Jan 93 01:22 EST
Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!
Nf-ID: #R:378.2B4BF15B@mechanic.fidonet.or:-548795256:peg:422800037:000:239
Nf-From: peg.UUCP!golight    Jan 11 01:22:00 1993


G'day Porter.....the echo is making it to Australia very
well....not sure about the third response...that bloke must need a
shave & a haircut...every one knows that echos are triangular not
doughnuts!!!

Regards from DownUnder Photon >:-}
From: serickso@ub.d.umn.edu (Scott Erickson)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: i have a question
Date: 7 Jan 1993 16:36:38 -0600
Organization: University of Confused Thought
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: serickso@ub.d.umn.edu (Scott Erickson)
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu


Previously John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com wrote: 
>Dear Folks: I should have stated that the man was one armed (he had one
>arm missing) in my last postings. The planet Venus is a very hot place
>and not hospitable to humans in the third dimension, but in the 4th 
>dimension it is quite a nice place. Humans can visit there is their
>astral form and the space people can change a human's molecturlar structure
>so that we can exist there also. It takes about a two week conditioning
>period. 
>John Winston.

I am so confused, I guess I have not hit my head against the wall enough.
Could you explain the 3rd and 4th dimension thing again.
Also, for who does it take two weeks, the space people or astral humans?
Also, could you, if you have the information, please explain the molecular
structure change process, for I am interested in visiting other places soon.

Psst, don't tell anyone that I have a antigravity spaceship that I stole from
some drunk aliens.  They parked it outside of the Anchor bar in Superior,
Wisconsin.  When Ed and I stopped by to have a drink, Ed noticed some strange
atmospheric fluctuations in a nearby parking lot.  I did not see anything,
but Ed had just had brain surgery to remove a junk of meteorite that got
lodged in his head.  He insisted that he could see something behind the air
fluctuations, so I said lets go look.  As we walked closer I could smell lots
of old and warm beer, so I knew we had a bunch of drunk aliens on our hands.
(You see, aliens love warm Old Milwaukee beer while they suck the bodily
fluid out of some cow or hapless pedestrian.)

Ed got the idea of stealing the space craft.  He said, "Let's get the tire
iron and beat the shit out them drunk aliens and steal their spaceship!" I
thought that was a good idea, so we went back to my truck. Ed grabbed the
tire iron and I grabbed my aluminum softball bat.  Oh, man you should have
the expressions on the faces of the aliens.  It certainly looked strange, but
then, all of their expressions look strange. I did not realize how much fun
it was hitting and beating on aliens was.  Their heads exploded when you hit
them.  When the police found the dead aliens, they said it looked like
someone went hogwild smashing watermelons.

Anyway, we managed to steal the spaceship.  I have it hidden out behind the
outhouse.  Anybody that might see the atmospheric fluctuations will just
think it is just the outhouse giving off gas from the rotting shit.


--
serickso@ub.d.umn.edu                                         Scott Erickson
From: petert@zikzak.apana.org.au (Peter T.)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Pleiadian problems
Date: 10 Jan 1993 11:52:15 GMT
Organization: Zikzak public access UNIX, Melbourne Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: zikzak.apana.org.au
Newsreader: MS Windows WinVN

In article <1993Jan8.204620.27605@netcom.com>, jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff) says:
>
>In article <1ij5qeINNkkn@zikzak.apana.org.au> petert@zikzak.apana.org.au (Peter T.) writes:
>>A few sources state that the Pleiadians no longer visit us because they have "problems at home" that
>>they must attend to.
>>Does anybody know what these problems are supposed to be?
>>Thankyou
>>Peter T.
>
>I would be interested to hear about your sources.
>
>Jeff-
Sorry to disapoint you but here it goes:
This news group {ie a.a.v.}
Another BBS, contents are similar to a.a.v. but with less squabbling.
Various T.V. documentaries
And various UFO related mags

So you see all I am is someone who absorbs all this info, thinks about it, and then asks questions 
pertaining to it all.

Bit of an anticlimax eh?
Ohwell thats life.
Peter T.
From: victor.volkman@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Victor Volkman) 
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: RE: CONCLUSIONS RE:JOHN W
Date: 9 Jan 93 23:41:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Reply-To: victor.volkman@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Victor Volkman) 

-> DON'T BE WASTING BANDWIDTH IN THIS GROUP!

A meaningless statement if I ever read one.
                                      
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From: trondk_l@gribb.hsr.no (Lindanger, Trond K.    8-94)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: reply EINSTEINS UNIFIED
Date: 7 Jan 93 10:21:47 GMT
Organization: Rogaland University Centre

I've seen a book about the unified field theory at our library. Also read 
thar Einstein didn't want to release this work, he meant that we weren't 
ready to use the knowledge properly.

Trond K. Lindanger
- Your friend in NORWAY
From: cmorken@ub.d.umn.edu (Chris Morken)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: the Einstein conspiracy (TM)??
Date: 7 Jan 1993 00:20:19 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu

In article <C0EnGx.7AM@mach1.wlu.ca> kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca (kevin fisher U) writes:
>Can anyone out there provide me with info on the idea I've heard floating
>around that Einstein actually finished his unified field theory (but, of
>course, it was covered up by the gov't and is being used in secret UFO
>experiments or something)??

No, I'm quite confident that Einstein couldn't have finished his Unified
Theory, because he was wrong about a few major aspects of the theory, like
for instance he refused to believe in Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.
Einsteins's attempt at a theory seemed to work on a large-scale, but fails
when the normally weak force of gravity becomes very large due to something
such as a black hole.  Without aceptance of the uncertainty principle he
could never come up with a Unified Theory.

cmorken
From: benno@crash.cts.com (Benno Eichmann)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: INFO: List of UFO Books
Date: 11 Apr 91 09:57:32 GMT
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA





Have any of you seen the book "Behold a Pale Horse" by William Cooper 

I was told it had some UFO connection details, but showed more of the
human activity side of things behind closed doors, as possibly relate 
to seemingly malevolent behavior by both human and alien parties in jointly
operated facilities.  I would be concerned that any such situation could
backfire against the humans.  

from:  Wiiliam Cooper
       POB 3299
       Camp Verde, AZ 86322
       USA                             $22

or the book: "MATRIX II" by Valdamar Valerian

it is said to have a very complete collection of alien related info
as well as goverment connection factors.  I would like some feedback in
relation to very well tested details as some of you may have.  It could 
be a bomb shell or ?

from: Arcturus Book Service
in association with Navada Arial Research Group in Las Vegas?
                    POB 81407, Las Vegas, Nevada 89180-1407
                    Avail from: Arcturus Book Service
                                POB 831383, Stone Mountain, GA 30083-0023, USA
                            $50(?)
It was suggested that these books would be very VERY informative,
and reveal much to do with the current world afairs and their movers
at the deepest levels.


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use of the law is the instrument of illegality.
		-- Ralph Nader @ Harvard Law School, 1/15/92
From: kevin@eye.com (Kevin Stokker)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: i have a question
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 22:03:07 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: 3D/EYE, Inc.  Ithaca, NY

In article <72923@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>... Humans can visit there is their
>astral form and the space people can change a human's molecturlar structure
>so that we can exist there also. It takes about a two week conditioning
>period. 
>John Winston.

Dear John,

Can you please clarify this for me?  Who needs the two week conditioning,
astral-form humans, or regular humans?  After regular humans receive the two
week conditioning from the space people, are they then in astral form?

Thanks,
Kevin
From: alfa@csource.oz.au (glenn durden)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Moderated Group/John Winston
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 13:43:39 +1100
Reply-To: alfa@csource.oz.au
Organization: Unique Computing Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

> Dear Folks: Why is it that when I hear the words moderator, censorship
> I think of Hitler?

Probably because your posts would be the first to die.

.........................................................
glenn durden
alfa@csource.oz.au  Unique Computing Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia
The opinions expressed above are that of the author only.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (gvb@acd4.acd.com)
Subject: Re: Enuf is enuf. Time for a moderated group...
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:18:20 GMT

In article <15230.2b3bb816@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>Well, I think it is come time to start a moderated Ufology group. Winston
>is scaring away an relevent discussions.
>
>Does anyone know how to set up a moderated group?
>
>-Garrett
>
>

Come one, come all (at least all interested in serious discussion).

Mail requests to gvb@acd4.acd.com if you want to be included in the
REAL discussion of ufos and aliens. We have lots of lurkers but
at least you will not be reading nonesense.

Gregg.

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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Ozzie or Aussie
From: murrayb@kiwi.gen.nz (Murray Bott)
Date: 9 Jan 93 10:13:53 GMT
Reply-To: murrayb@kiwi.gen.nz (Murray Bott)
Organization: Household UNIX, Auckland, New Zealand

Greetings Everyone

With regard to the debate on the term Ozzie or Aussie this is largely 
hypothetical, they are still our neighbours across the pond (so to speak !!)

I would like to get back to the original nature of this thread.  I am interested
in hearing about some of the reported UFO sightings which have been reported 
in Australia.
The type that I am generally interested in are the CE2K and CE3K type and
are generally not intersted in the "Lights in the Sky" type of report.

Things have been rather quiet here in New Zealand recently, how has it been
in other countries ???

Any Responces by Email are welcome!!!

Regards to all

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From: pyuaq@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr G S Sutherland)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Pleiadian problems
Date: 9 Jan 1993 21:16:12 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: paprika.csv.warwick.ac.uk

Peter T. (petert@zikzak.apana.org.au)wrote : 

+> A few sources state that the Pleiadians no longer visit us because they 
+> have "problems at home" that
+> they must attend to.
+> Does anybody know what these problems are supposed to be?
+> Thankyou
+> Peter T.

Jeff (jeffp@netcom.com) wrote :

+ I would be interested to hear about your sources.
+
+ Jeff-

	I'd like to third that, and also add that there seems to be a 
number of people who take the Pleidian message (from Channellers) to be
gospel. If there spirituality, philosophy or theology is in wide use at
home, then it may well be causing trouble. (Assuming that it is genuine.)
If so, then surely it is rather foolish to base one's life on it.

		Graeme.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: buffalo@wam.umd.edu (Duncan D. Sterling)
Subject: Re: I am disappointed...
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 05:10:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.024851.883@news.unomaha.edu> dementia@cwis.unomaha.edu (Diane Atkinson) writes:
>
>I thought I might find intelligent debate here--you know, presentations
>of facts by both sides,  discussions, perhaps even a little more in
>the formation of explanations in the whys and hows of extraterrestrials.
>Instead all I find is petty bickering, opinion and people bashing,  "Gee,
>look at this story--Weren't these saps dumb?" articles, and a lot of 
>"There's no way anything but my opinion is correct" stuff.
>
>I had hoped for more....
>
>Diane Atkinson
>dementia@cwis.unomaha.edu

  I agree with you completely.  If there's anything A.A.V. could use, it
would be a slightly more serious atmosphere than the one I've seen lately.

  But how to accomplish a shift into a more constructive approach?  I don't
think that the "noise makers" will quiet down after simply being asked to.
I do think, however, that if the number of serious posts starts climbing,
they could eventualy smother the garbage posts, especially if everyone can
get in the habit of ignoring pointless posts.

  Enough factual material exists on the topics covered by A.A.V. to fuel
serious, intelligent discussion and debate for a long time to come.  
Why don't we all try to move toward such an approach?

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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Subject: Re: John Winston is not a real person?
Keywords: Flames - A SOLUTION
Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs 
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:18:05 GMT



Quite a few people seem to think that by jumping onto the JW-flaming 
bandwaggon they are in some way demonstrating superiority or maturity. 

I urgently request these people to think again.

I realize that some of you *are* young - we appear to have pupils of 12 or 14 
here - but I have a request for would-be flamers, young and old:

PLEASE demonstrate your superiority and maturity by:

1) Flaming by email, not posting flames here

2) Posting replies here in a polite, qestioning way ("Is it really possible 
to travel faster than light? I learnt in physics that ..." )

3) Ignoring things that you think are stupid. (Yes, ignoring)

If we are engaged in a face to face conversation with someone who says 
incredible (or ridiculous) things, we

1) ask them for supporting information

2) bring good arguments to disprove what they say

3) buy them a drink 

4) leave their company

Just because we can't see each other doesn't mean we aren't people. (I bet if 
we all got together we'd have one helluva good party.)  

	I wish you all a happy and constructive 1993.				Paul.

Paul Milsom
milsom@ntb.ch
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.physics,sci.skeptic
From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: January 3, 1993
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:38:01 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0 - <ParaNet(sm) , Arvada CO


 > From: rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith)
 > Date: 31 Dec 92 16:04:56 GMT
 > Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
 > Message-ID: <1992Dec31.160456.15458@odin.corp.sgi.com>
 > Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors

 > Michael,

 > Will PARANET be making the audio transcripts available to those of us
 > whom
 > do not access to the Satellite feed?

Yes.  As a matter of fact, we now have three programs under our belt.  I will post something about the cost of these tapes and how to get them in the very near future.

 > Then again, mabye we could have JW warm up his astral train & transcribe
 > it
 > for us;->

hehehehehehehe...This may be considered to be an unreliable method.  :-)

Mike

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