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From: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn)
Subject: Re: 2-mile long gun
Reply-To: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:34:50 GMT

In article <92284.232356JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu> <JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I too recall the Discover article.  it talked about magnetic coil guns or
>something.
>
>JK

I believe you folks may be thinking about LLNL's two stage high pressure
gas gun.  A prototype is to be tested (firing into a hill) very soon in
Tracy, CA (at Site 300); a larger prototype is expected to be constructed
and tested at Vandenberg AFB, CA after the Tracy tests.

It's designed to toss cargo into orbit, reducing and/or removing the need
for large chemical systems (including the Shuttle) to boost cargo-only
payloads.

'taint designed to shoot down *anyghing*; only to boost at best 'dim-
witted' cargo containers.  Fairly small ones, at that...


kbq

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From: asm332@cix.compulink.co.uk (Sean Eaton)
Subject: Re: alt.alien.visitors.sewage.garbage.bullshit.crackpots.fantasy
Cc: asm332@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: asm332@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:36:21 +0000

Paragraphs are quoted from several different authors whose names got lost
during the editing process; but you should recognise anything that's
yours.


.....
[On the subject of abductions]
> Yeh, well JW has about 30 years on you...

So why doesn't he give us the benefit of his experience instead of posting
the material he does at the moment ?



.....
> How can you possibly tell the difference between
> real talk of alien visitors and wild tales of entertainment?

Easy.  Try it for yourself.  Sort the wheat from the chaff in these
recently-discussed topics:

Hot-Tub Breathing;
Telepathic Communication with Bigfoot;
Baby Talk;
Dolphin Talk;
Breakdancing Rocks;
Ruins of 30000yr old City;
The Portal;
Astral Train;
Ostrich People;
Information on John Lear; and
Information on Dr Mack's work with abductees.

Now which two topics on this list *are* appropriate to a.a.v.?

This list is by no means exhaustive but I've kept the same signal to noise
ratio as presently exists in a.a.v.


.....
>Good. I guess we won't be seing your posts is the new group. I am already
>getting a large response of people that are saying "AYE!". So basically,
>we don't need you unless you are willing. Just don't subscribe to the
>group when it comes. 


Why not turn alt.alien.visitors into a moderated group instead of creating
a new one ?

.....
>Chris has a good idea, but is it workable?  Perhaps we could do something like
>rec.arts.tv does, and ask folks to put abbreviations in their header lines 
>which would let us know what the general topic is.  How about this:

>NA  =  New Age stuff

Why?  A group already exists for discussion of this topic: talk.religion.newage


>UFO =  Pertaining to UFO sightings and phenomena
>CE3 =  Close Encounters... alien contact
>INV =  Paranoid rantings about alien invasions
>VON =  VonDaniken-oid stuff like Atlantis/Mu/Spacemen
>GRAY = Stuff about Grays
>SCI  = Scientific (preferably not pseudo) findings on UFO related issues
>ABD  = Abduction information
>HOT  = Someone flaming someone else
>HA   = Jokes & silliness
>OP   = Opinions

>I'm sure there are others we could use, but these are a few basic ones.  How
>do you all feel about trying something like this?  It would help in using
>killfiles.

A good idea, but the problem is with people posting "off subject" material
like the first 9 items on my list above.


It looks like feelings are running high on the subject of the abuse
of alt.alien.visitors.
Should a.a.v. become moderated ?   Perhaps if we ask Mr. Clavelli nicely
he'll let us use his voting booth again....

-s.
From: Colleen_Anderson@mindlink.bc.ca (Colleen Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: 14 Oct 92 08:53:42 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

Subject: Two Chicks From Under Mt. Shasta. Part 3.
Please, John!  Chicks!  You're showing your age.  In this day we like to
think of them as women.  Chicks, sheesh, not very enlightened of you.
Colleen
--
It's not how much I know that counts but how much I'm trying to learn.
The Crimson Bunion
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From: sfd@soda.berkeley.edu (Scott Drellishak)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Exploration is not Technology
Date: 8 Oct 1992 00:28:30 GMT
Organization: Metaphor Computer Systems
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
Keywords: mars observer, citys or rocks, confirmation one way or the other, side bets

In article <1992Oct7.220808.6718@odin.corp.sgi.com> rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith) writes:
)Robert,[you write]
)>I'm typing as s-l-o-w-l-y as I can.  You are still not getting it.  Try
)>to pay attention this time:
)>"out & out denial" is NOT "the mindset of the skeptic".  The mindset 
)>of the skeptic is "That's an astonishing claim, what is the evidence 
)>for it?"
)
)The evidence sir is the photographs that were returned by the viking probe.
)There is not enough evidence to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt what the
)structure is, so we must go back & re-photograph, re-analyze, re-evaluate,
)etc. Most skeptics say "What for, it's just a clump of eroded rock"

Actually, skeptics say, "Hmm -- it's either (a) a lump of rock which
just happens to look something like a face, or (b) an alien artifact.
Since believing (b) requires a huge leap of faith, I'll assume it's
(a) until somebody proves otherwise."  Basically, we know that lumps
of rock exist, but we don't know of any aliens -- so, it takes more
proof than one suspiciously face-like rock formation to prove the
existence of aliens.

)That Bobby my boy is what I am talking about. Skeptics will not open their
)eyes
)enough to allow that they might not know everything beforehand.

Do you honestly think this photograph should convince anyone that
aliens exist?

)Just a wait & see attitude is all that it takes. What a difficult concept
)to grasp.

But wait.  We *never* have perfect information -- there is always
doubt.  Science is a practice of successive best guesses.  At the
moment, as far as I know, the evidence isn't strong enough to support
the alien artifact hypothesis, so the best guess is, it's a rock.  If
new photographs show scaffolding, then this best guess may change.

)Human nature is a labrynth that is as boundless & as confounding as the
)universe as we know it. Nuff said!!!
)
)Rod

word.

Scott
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From: jmv@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Jean-Marc Vezien)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: auras
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:16:24 GMT
Organization: GRASP Lab

In article <1avhkvINN3km@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM (Good good good good vibrations) writes:
> I was told that my statement was unclear, so I will try one more time.
> 
> 
> When I was a little girl I aw auras, now as an adult I still see auras.
> 
> This is NOT and I do repeat, NOT a figment of my imagination.  
> 
> So the remark about if this is a figment of my imagination, then I must have
> a really good one, meant, Your nuts buddy!  I can see them.  You can't tell
> me I can't.
> 
> Hope that clears it up.
> 

Kathy, this doesn't clear anything up. I can say I see little white
kangaroos hoping around me, that doesn't mean I'm sober ;).

What do you see exactly. Plize, no "Well, a kind of light around the head
of people". Try and be constructive. I'm very willing to believe you.
ever considered some simple tests ?(read Randi's books for a simple, conclusive
design. There's a big reward if you can convince him !).
I mean, if I could see "auras", I would definitly go and see doctors and
convince them !!! 


> Kathie  ;.)


JM.
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From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick)
Subject: Re: Portable Ufo detector, is it out there?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:28:55 GMT

jagnow@al.weeg.uiowa.edu (Al Jagnow) writes:

[in response to a request for a - yuk, yuk - "UFO detector"

>> 
>> -- 
>> aph016@uk.ac.cov.cch
>If I remember correctly, UFO's produce magnetic disturbances - simply hang a  
>magnet from a bare piece of copper wire. Place a loop of bare copper wire  
>around, but not touching the wire from which the magnet is hanging - as close  
>to the magnet as possible. Connect the two wires in series with a battery and
>an electric bell or buzzer. When the magnet moves, the wires will touch,  
>completing the circuit and sounding an alarm. Building the magnet assembly  
>inside a wood or plastic box will prevent the wind from causing false alarms. 
>The longer the pendulum and the stronger the magnet, the more sensitive the  
>alarm. Needless to say, the support for the pendulum must be made of wood or  
>plastic. Try not to use any magnetic materials in the construction of the  
>detector. 

>If the magnet were massive enough, the wire flexible enough, and the contact  
>loop small enough, this might also serve as an earthquake detector.

>I suppose you could do something with a Hall Effect device.....  It would be  
>more elegant, but probably not any more effective :-)

	Anything that you put up that detects magnetic fields will eventually 
drive the user nuts!

	Damn near EVERYTHING that we use in the way of radios or appliances or
automotive electrical systems, etc., generates magnetic fields.  Anything
that you make sensitive enough will also pick up these items.

	I can see it now - "turn off that damn UFO detector, you sister is
using her hair dryer again!"

	If the occupants of extraterrestrial vehicles can make their
vehicles go at warp-whatever, NOT appear on radar scopes and interfere
with our electrical systems (all of which have been reported), I think
you'd better start looking for something more useful than magnetic
effects detectors.

Duane
From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Use of 2-mile gun
Date: 15 Oct 1992 02:50:16 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

Andrew Todd Weinstein <aw2s+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:


>>wastes like from garbage dumps out into space, since the gun would be a
>>farily cheeper method of doing this than if chemical propellant
>>spacecrafts were to be used.  And you don't need as many resources as
>>spaceships, since you can probably power the gun with nuclear power
>>which is not a problem?

>>>Great! And then we have garbage in space orbitting the Earth.  Yum.  Not only
>>>that but it makes it fun for all future satellites and manned missions trying
>>>to zigzag through the stink free zone.
>>>Colleen

>Well, I am sure this 2-mile gun can shoot the earth junk out of earth
>orbit, so I don't understand what the problem is.  There is PLENTY of
>room in space so that the junk won't get in anyone's way! Plus you can
>put some kind of contamination shielding around the junk if it is toxic.

Would have to be a pretty powerful gun...

keith




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From: kevinc@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE ()
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:55:39 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5



Angels ???,......Hmmmmmmm, Well, Ok, could happen. But
why would Angels want to cut your penis ??????? I'm perplexed.

Kc


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From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Face on Mars An Other Time
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:01:05 GMT
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Oct6.074138.15339@rtfm.mlb.fl.us>, joshua@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Joshua Geller) writes:
=I would not, on present 
=evidence,  unequivocally state 'there are artificial structures on mars'.
=the most cogent criticism of the photographs is that they are greatly en-
=hanced (but the geometrical and astronomcial alignments I have just mentioned
=are apparent in the unenhanced photographs).

Geometric alignments, yes. Astronomical alignments, no.  Try the following
experiment:  Pick any direction within a few degrees of where the sun rises at
summer solstice from where you live.  Get your hands on a computer program that 
models the precession of the Earth's axis.  Run the program until you find a
date when the direction you picked actually pointed toward where the sun rose
at the solstice.  Having done that, tell me what's so remarkable about the fact
that Hoagland did the same thing with the Cydonia formations.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: wellison@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: 2-mile long gun
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:28:39 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services


>I read about this recently in an issue of DISCOVER magazine.  Although it is
>not Scientific American it does give a bead on what's happening in science.
>I don't have the article in front of me but I believe the gun is an
>experiment an alternate propulsion that would be less exhaustive than using
>the fuel now used send shuttles etc. out of Earth's atmosphere.  (Sorry for
>the longwinded rambling style of this post).  I believe the gun is totally
>experimental at this stage and would not have the mechanism to shoot
>accurately so much as propel.  Don't flame me on this, I'm going from memory.
>;-> Colleen.

Magnetic or electric guns have been around for years. Not until the SDI deal
though have thier potential been examined. The hottest one going is the
Electromagnetic rail gun. One such monstrosity is at the Naval weapons center.
This device uses Lenz's laws of electromagnetic repulsion in that a set of
parallel rails are set in such a way as to have a 'barrel' between them. The
rails are hooked to a rather large capacitor bank (by large, I mean an entire
building of high energy capacitors ! !) The projectile is a small hockey puck
looking thing. The propellent for the puck is a plasma generated by either
exploding wire technology or by superconductors. The propellent is fired and a
few nanoseconds later, the cap bank is discharged into the rails. The puck
begins to travel forward, but the rails collapse so fast, that the puck is sort
of squirted out of the barrle, to the tune of the fastest speed attained by
mass by man, 335,000 MPH ! ! ! Gueniss book of world records mentions the
335,000 MPH, but they don't go into detail of how it was achieved. It was done
with the rail gun. But these things do have thier draw backs. For example, the
rails collapse with such force that they are warped and bent beyond a second
use (so much for the autoloader idea ;-). Second, they take a tremendous amount
of power to operate. But technology is changing that. Memory metals are being
considered for use in the rails, which is metal that attains it's original
shape after being bent. Another offshoot of the rail gun is the 'Brilliant
Pebbles' idea. This is a small hockey puck with a guidance system and an
explosive charge which is shot from a large space based rail gun. If an ICBM
were to be lanched, the tracking computers on the rail gun would track and
program the hockey puck for target aquisition of the ICBM. If these things do
indeed achieve 335,000 MPH on Earth, I can just imagine the speeds attained in
space ! ! ! The puck is fired and tracks to the ICBM, or 'whatever' and
destroys it. But the concept of rail guns is still one of my favorite SDI
devices. I can just see this huge machine gun looking thing out circling the
Earth, just waiting for the firing command. Then thousands of these
'smart' hockey pucks start spewing forth from the end of it. Talk about a
cosmic shooting gallery :-)

-=-=- Wes =-=-=
From: randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: My "ufo" experience! :) (was Re: July 4, 1992 - )
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:01:31 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Oct8.195241.1274@u.washington.edu>, pul@hardy.u.washington.edu (Arbaline) writes...

<stuff about "show yourself!" and seeing a "shooting star" deleted>

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Ok, now apply a standard scientific procedure... repeat your experiment. Does
it only work once, or no? One instance of anything is not proof, I'm afraid.
-Tom R.   randolph@est.enet.dec.com
From: Colleen_Anderson@mindlink.bc.ca (Colleen Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:56:53 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

John Winston writes:
>Dear Astral Folk: Boy, last night's OOBE train wound up being a rough
>one. I wound up in the lower astral soup (like premordial soup the
>people from NASA always are talking about) thinking about a dog running in
>the wrong direction with no head. Probubly my spirit was out doing
>all sorts of good stuff though. I got the feeling that all this
>information that is in this collection should be preserved for posterity
>some way. Everybody had a good time on the OOBE train. A bunch of them
>showed up at my house last night. One of these days we'll have to get
>this thing all organized but then it would not be as much fun.
>John Winston.
Well, shoot I got on the train but I went to bed so late I must have caught
the next one because I ended up in the primordial soup instead of the
premordial one.  Lots of anchovies in it.  It was mostly deserted but I
caught a supernova and the first twitchings of organic glop on the fifth
planet from Bernard's star.  All in alpretty cosmic.  .  Next time, John, let
us know from which platform the OOBE WAN KENOBE train leaves.  I'd hate to
end up in the wrong past life. =:0  Colleen
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From: jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...)
Subject: Re: alt.alien.visitors.sewage.garbage.bullshit.crackpots.fantasy
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 21:12:00 GMT
Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

> 
>Chris has a good idea, but is it workable?  Perhaps we could do something like
>rec.arts.tv does, and ask folks to put abbreviations in their header lines 
>which would let us know what the general topic is.  How about this:
> 
>NA  =  New Age stuff
>UFO =  Pertaining to UFO sightings and phenomena
>CE3 =  Close Encounters... alien contact
>INV =  Paranoid rantings about alien invasions
>VON =  VonDaniken-oid stuff like Atlantis/Mu/Spacemen
>GRAY = Stuff about Grays
>SCI  = Scientific (preferably not pseudo) findings on UFO related issues
>ABD  = Abduction information
>HOT  = Someone flaming someone else
>HA   = Jokes & silliness
>OP   = Opinions
> 
>I'm sure there are others we could use, but these are a few basic ones.  How
>do you all feel about trying something like this?  It would help in using
>killfiles.
> 
>Kellie M-S
>internet::matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
> 
>p.s.  I also am tired of wading through hundreds of posts for the few "hard"
>ones that come through!  I'd like to see a bit more real info here.
> 
Kellie,
  You have an idea which has more merit than you may realize. If the people
in this group could agree on conventions such as these it would eliminate
the need for killfiles as you could follow a discussion thread without fear
of losing an item due to automatic killing. It would also be easy to scan
for related topics too.
							Good luck,
							   Jim
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From: no104956@cc.tut.fi (Ojala Nikolas)
Subject: Ezekiel's spaceship
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 10:21:03 GMT



jec@pilatus.zurich.ibm.com (Jean Cherbonnier) wrote:

>I would like to get some information on a chapter in the Bible (Old Testament)
>where Ezekiel describes what sounds like the arrival of a space ship and
>of several alien creatures. The description is so amazing that one could
>really beleive he witnesses such an event.

>Thanks.

Erich Von Daniken thought this and Joseph Blumrich wrote a book about
this subject. You might want to read the book. It was published in 
early 70's.



Nikolas
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