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From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Crate & Tag Dogs when Traveling !!!
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:53:37 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <kathy_buetow-121192093529@physio103-1.life.uiuc.edu>, kathy_buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu (Kathy Buetow) writes:
> I got one of those phone calls last night that a dog lover hates to
> get......
> 
> It started out with a friend saying "Judy was in a terrible accident on the
> 
> way home from the Oklahoma circuit".  My heart sank.  Judy was sideswiped,
> she was hurt badly and taken from the scene in an air ambulance.  The
> people
> in the car that hit her were both killed instantly.  Judy's dogs were all
> in the
> back of the van secure in their Vari-Kennels...or at least we assume that a


Jeez, this must be the week for innocent people chauffering their
dogs around to be hit by maniacs on the road, since it happened to me
on Monday.  It's great that Judy will be ok and that the dogs are
fine, but awful that the people in the other car were killed.

I've already related the story of the time I was robbed and Tristan
was missing.  He wasn't wearing tags at the time because he was in
what I thought was a secure apt. at the time, so I never dreamed 
that he could end up out there wandering around 3 miles away in
west Champaign!  Only his stunning good looks and sheer luck got
him back to me.  These days he wears his ID tag 24 hours a day, 
everywhere except the bath tub.  In fact, just yesterday he got
a lovely new English collar to replace his old one.  He picked it
out himself (well, he also picked out dog biskies, dog food, pig
ears, chew hooves, cat food, rabbit food, etc, etc, but I only
bought him the collar!)

> Anybody want to guess how many puppies
> there will be ?  Holly Kruse has already predicted 20 *nervous 
> giggle* :-).   Marla, if I'm not at the match or the show this weekend,
> you'll know where I am !!


Hey Kathy, you know I was just kidding when I said 20!  I know Irish
litters tend to max out at 15 or so, and since ACDs are smaller I'm 
guessing they probably have smaller litters?  So I can't imagine, in
all honesty, from the way you've described Oreo's physical condition,
that she'll have more than 16 or so ;-).  (If there's some sort of 
Oreo's litter pool going on, I'll take 8 puppies.  A safe guess.)

> 
> Cattle Dog Kisses to all !!   Put ID tags on those 4-legged beasties and
> put them in crates when you travel...and for gosh sakes, put on your
> seatbelt !!!
> 
> Kathy
> --------------------------
> Katwala Australian Cattle Dogs
> Kathy_Buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu
> "Australian Cattle Dogs are not just a breed....they're a way of life !!!"


Holly
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 10:19:02 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Re: Story for someone who wants to say "OH NO!!!!!"
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  Boy, that dog had a full time job.  Your mom is sure patient.  I
probably would have strangled that hound the first time it happened. 
To Think of it going on for 8 YEARS.
--- FMail 0.92
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From: dean@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Jack Dean)
Subject: Re: Rescue for Racing Greyhounds?!?
Organization: McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Company
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:57:33

>>>>> In article <1992Nov5.165740.20618@b30.ingr.com>, scott@borg.wyle.ingr.com (G. Scott Downey) writes:

 Scott> I was wondering if anyone out there could get me in touch
 Scott> with a Greyhound rescue group in Alabama or the area.

 Scott> Much Appreciated.
 Scott> G. Scott Downey
 Scott> Moses' Daddy (RottMonster)

Greyhound Pets of America (GPA) is a national organization dedicated
to finding loving homes for retired racing grehounds.  To get in touch
with a local GPA representative, call their national referral number
at 1-800-FON-1GPA and leave your name, address and telephone number.
A representative from a nearby chapter will get in touch with you.  

--
Jack Dean                         dean@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov
From: trimpe_b@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Dog Stress?
Date: 11 NOV 92 09:35:21 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
NNTP-Posting-Host: msnews.wustl.edu


Hi netters-
	I've a question that I've not seen addressed here.  Basically
my mother died suddenly (she lived accross town) and I am living at her
place to sort things out.  My husb and dog are staying at our place cuz we
have a fenced in yard, etc.  My husb. says the dog is really down- doesn't
even come beg while he (my husb) makes his lunch.  The dog just sleeps a lot
and seems extremely lazy.  I stopped by last night for about an hour and
really played with the dog a lot (even said hi to my husb:-)).  The dog seemd
pretty 'normal'.  My question is this - any ideas on helping the dogs stress
level??  I've had him spend a few nights with me at my mothers where he
seems fairly normal but I really don't have time to play and have to use a 
teather at her house.  I know dogs need a dependable routine and we're quite
topsy turvy these days-- would some sort of prescription help?
Any opinions, experiences, welcome.
BT
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From: hope@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov (Sharon Hope)
Subject: Re: What stops/lessens neighbor's dog from barking?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 15:39:49 GMT

Constant barking at minimal stimuli often indicates a Vitamin B deficiency.  
Brewer's Yeast added to the dogfood regularly will result in a much higher
level of stimulus needed to trigger the barking.  In short, the dog is
at the same stage people get to when they are so stressed & jumpy that they
start taking Stresstabs (i.e. Vitamin B).

We first heard about this when I was a kid.  The lady next door worked & all
the time she was out of the house her miniature poodle barked non-stop.  My
mom asked the vet for advise.  A day or so after the neighbor started to 
feed Brewer's Yeast, the barking stopped, and was no longer a problem.

Try buying a bottle (You can find it readily in health food stores), putting
on a big ribbon & bow and presenting it to your neighbor.

Good luck,

Sharon Hope   hope@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov  "all opinions my own"
4 Cavalier King Charles Spaniels, a Newf, and a Persian
From: 275s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Wendy Bortnick)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: TATOOING DOGS
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:18:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: oasys.27430
Reply-To: 275s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Wendy Bortnick)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Hi,

Has anyone had their dog tatooed.  I was wondering whether it is painful
and how long does it take.

Wendy
275s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Wendy Bortnick)
From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: EUTHANASIA: Winston
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:53:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <24098@alice.att.com>, rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin) writes:
> 
> Koehler claims his method always works;  Vicki Hearne says she knows of
> exactly one failure, for a biting dog whose owner actually used Koehler,
> to cure biting.  Please compare with the method you use.

Just a quick question, since I am someone who you are presumably also
indicting, along with Janice, because I posted the anecdote about the
Irish setter that I decided to have euthanized when I was 14 (apparently
I should have had myself euthanized instead for the heinous crime I
committed!)  in an effort to demonstrate to Janice that there are people
out here on the newsgroup who are sympathetic to her plight.

As I said before, my dog had an incredibly in-bred puppy mill pedigree.
Just a point of information.  In any event, biting was not his only
strange behavior.  He seemed to literally hallucinate -- stare out into
the backyard in broad daylight, see something that we couldn't see, that
our other dog didn't see, throw himself against the glass deck door and
go into a frenzy.  What was I doing wrong to cause this?  I'm guessing
that I should have just accepted Clancey's reality as the correct
reality; the many times that this happened there probably was something
there that we weren't seeing?

I'm genuinely interested in what you make of this.  I might just add
that neither of the 2 Irish setters my family had before Clancey and
neither of the 2 that I've had since have had any behavioral problems
-- all 5 dogs were gotten as approximately 2-3 month old puppies.
Presumably because I euthanized Clancey, though, I should no longer
be allowed to have dogs?  So in the nature/nurture equation, it would
be impossible for a dog to be born with a genetically-imprinted
psychological problem that makes it anti-social in the extreme?
Such behaviors would only result from, or would primarily result 
from, upbringing and training?

Just curious


Holly
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: MISPKB1@kentvm.kent.edu
Subject: Re: Rescue for Racing Greyhounds?!?
Organization: Kent State Univ.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:11:40 GMT

    Call 1-800-366-1472 and leave your name & address.
Greyhound Pets of America will put you in touch with
their closest chapter.  These are ex-track Greyhounds.
I got Dancer at 2.5 yrs old.  She is now 9.5. She is
gentle, quiet, and quite beautiful.  She is naturally
good with children.  She also gets along with other
dogs.  On Oct 25 she earned her first companion dog
leg at Cleveland's obedience trial.  She was also
high scoring hound.  No one can believe how old she
is.  Greyhounds can live to 14.
 
good luck and let me know if you get a hound,
Pamela and the happy pack
 
 
In article <1992Nov5.165740.20618@b30.ingr.com>
scott@borg.wyle.ingr.com (G. Scott Downey) writes:
 
>
>I was wondering if anyone out there could get me in touch
>with a Greyhound rescue group in Alabama or the area.
>
>Much Appreciated.
>G. Scott Downey
>Moses' Daddy (RottMonster)
>
>--
>___________________________________________________________
>
> "I can do all things, through Christ who strengthens me."
>			 	   Philippians 4:13  <><
>___________________________________________________________
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From: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Subject: Re: What stops/lessens neighbor's dog from barking?
Reply-To: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Lab
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 14:02:40 GMT

   
<John wrote asking for help in getting an irresponsible neighbor's
 dog to stop barking all the time>

John,
I haven't tried the barker breakers you've asked about but . . .

Have you gone over and tried introducing yourself to the dog?
You seem to understand that the dog feels that you are on his
turf when you are in your own yard, so maybe trying to make
friends will help and he'll feel that you belong there.
I had some new neighbors move in and they also had a shelty who
barked at me any time I was in my backyard. I found out his name
and went over and played with him a bit.  After that if he barked
at me, I just calmly said, "Hi <dog's name>, its only me".  This stopped 
most of his barking at me, now when he barks at me once and awhile.
I just say hi, using his name and he's quiet.
Of course this hasn't stopped him from barking when someone is in
the alley, but it has lessened the amount of barking.

Maybe this will work for you if all of the neighbors do this one at
a time.

This does not excuse the responsibility of his owners, but it may 
make life in your neighborhood a bit quieter.

Good Luck

Kayti





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From: shaw@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Shaw Moldauer)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:20:38 GMT
Subject: Re: security gates
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

In rec.pets.dogs, walls@inland.com writes:

> Does anyone have a name and phone number of a company that sells tall
> security gates? Our minature dachshund can jump a 32"one very easy.
> Most gates I seen are only 32" high. I looked in R.C. Steele, Wholesale Pet,
> Foster & Smith, Omaha Vaccine, Jeffers, and Wholesale Veterinary catalogs,
> and I have yet to find one. If you know of any companies please E-mail me.
> Thanks for you help.

	Most dogs can jump them, train the dog not to jump over, or
stack two gates.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Off-Leash Area for Dog Owners
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:46:46 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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> : News flash, Jack.  Few if any dogs are practicing Jews.  You don't
> : have to hate them, too.

> Thank you Mr Chutzpanazi.

Excuse me.  I think many of us could easily do without anti-Semitism in r.p.d.
Please take your anti-Semitism somewhere else, preferably outer space.

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Restricting Pool Access
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:28:00 GMT
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  Those doggie swim lessons were a good idea.  I will be sure to pass
this on.  Maybe in this way, Rinkle's unfortunate death will not have
been totally in vain.
--- FMail 0.92
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: toolan@scivax.stsci.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Collies in an apartment
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:10:12 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute

In article 
<1992Nov5.1[DDD902.5008@pencom.com>, diane@starfish (Diane Harvey) writes:
> 
> 
> I really like big dogs, but I have an apartment.  The apartment is 1100  
> square feet, 2-stories, with a 5x10, 6-foot high fenced, concrete patio  
> off the back door.  We are on the ground level with a grassy yard and tree  
> outside our front door.  However, the surroundings are city-like.  I was  
> thinking of walking/running the dog at a nearby park and our hike/bike  
> trail.  I am willing to take it out for walks twice a day and can come  
> home for lunch while it is a puppy.
> 
> I really like Collies and I have read that they are relatively inactive  
> indoors.  Does anybody have any experience with Collies indoors or in an  
> apartment?  If anyone can reccommend another large (over 45 pounds) breed  
> that might do well in my situation I would be grateful!  I am also looking  
> for a smart dog that I can train easily.  Initially I liked German  
> Shepherds, but I think they need a yard and lots of space, although I have  
> heard of people having them in apartments.  Any comments? Thanks!
> 
>
> Diane Harvey
> diane@pencom.com

	Have you considered adopting a retired racing Greyhound?  It sounds 
like one would fill all your requirements.  They are laid-back, low maintenance
dogs.  Walking/running is sufficient exercise for them (you'd need to gradually
build up on the running, though).  Greyhounds are good apartment dogs.  When
inside, they definitely tend to be couch potatoes.  The fact that you could
come home at lunchtime for a while would greatly ease the dog's transition to
the life of a housepet.  They are large (but somehow seem smaller than they
really are), with females weighing about 60 lbs. and males about 70 lbs. or so.
And there are currently thousands of them looking for a home.  Most of them are
between the ages of 2 - 4, and can be expected to live until 12 - 15.

	If you'd like more information about these wonderful dogs, just let me
know.

		*	*	*	*	*	
				*
	Sharon Toolan		*	My opinions are my own;
	toolan@stsci.edu	*	no one else would want them!
				*
		*	*	*	*	*

	      Make a fast friend--adopt a Greyhound!

"Mom" to Amber (8 yr old rescued racing Greyhound) and
         Topaz (3 yr old rescued racing Greyhound)
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 08:45:02 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Re: Story for someone who wants to say "OH NO!!!!!"
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  I was riding in a friend's truck with my CockerPoo on my lap.  We
were on the freeway in heavy traffic when the dog decided he would
jump down to our feet.  This was an odd truck with the gear shift
lever in the dashboard.  The dogs landed on the grearship lever,
throwing the car into reverse at 60mph.  We screeched to a halt.
Luckily, nothing bad happened, the transmission even still worked.
Yet, that was my Worst experience with that dog.
--- FMail 0.92
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Breeding is most important for top working dogs...
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:24:42 GMT

Joseph Weinstein writes:
> seems to be a rough consensus among those whose job or avocation
> is the reliable production of working dogs, that the most important
> predictor of success is breeding for the correct temperament.

It's not hard to find folks who hold this opinion.  There are any
number of anecdotal accounts and uncontrolled comparisons that support
it.  The relevant science does not support it.

> So far as I know, seeing eye dogs are currently only produced
> reliably in concert with a careful selective breeding program

Some programs operate without a breeding program.
No programs operate without a training program.

-- Jon
--
Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  
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From: artemis@netcom.com (Michelle Dick)
Subject: Re: Rescue Groups
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 13:43:40 GMT

I noticed that the rescue group compilation is to only include
purebreed groups.  You know, this group never fails to astound me with
its purebreed snobbery.  The rescue group/foster home structure is
used to place mixed breeds as well.  There are some fantastic
organizations out there (I know of two in the Bay Area) that run
foster homes for all sorts of dogs, mixed and purebred.  The foster
home structure was critical in my finding another dog for our
household, shelters were not set up to provide me with the kind of
indepth info I needed.  The foster homes also give mixed breeds a
better environment and save the dogs from euthanization.

The remarkable thing is that the snobbery does not go both ways.  The
mixed breed groups also took in purebreds, did phone referral for
several of the area breed specific groups, and several of foster homes
served as back-up foster homes for specific breed rescue groups when
the standard list was full.

Perhaps the voluteer compiler will reconsider the decision to exclude
the all-breed rescue/foster organizations?  The listing of these
groups would also help purebred searches since calling their
information lines would give the searcher up-to-the-minute info on
area rescue groups (and provide advice on finding the right breed,
etc).

--
Michelle Dick
artemis@netcom.com
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From: king@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (joyce.l.king)
Subject: Re: Story for someone who wants to say "OH NO!!!!!"
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:29:57 GMT
Summary: chew, chew, and BOOM!

My parents had a Manchester terrier who was really hyperactive.
He continued to be destructive even when he reached adulthood.
One day my mother came home from work to find he had chewed into 
the storage area under the bathroom vanity and dragged out a box
of Kotex and a bag of wallpaper paste.  The sanitary napkins were
chewed to tiny pieces and strewn all over the living room, dining
room, and hall.  He must have chewed open the wallpaper paste and
dragged it around the entire first floor, probably shaking it all
the while, because there was a fine dust on every surface, even
the walls.  The carpets were a mess.  Various other items that had
been stored under the vanity were destroyed at the same time...a
toilet bowl brush, a scrub brush, etc.

Not so long after, my parents came home to find a Manchester-sized hole
in the living room window, some blood on the porch, and no more Princie.
Now, a Manchester terrier is not very large (he was a regular breed, not
a miniature), and where he got the force to break out the window is
unknown.  I've always thought he was a poltergeist in disguise, anyway.
He had a fenced back yard in which he played unfettered in the mornings
and for a long time in the evenings.  He had two adults who played with
him when they weren't working.  Both adults worked 40 hours a week.  So
we aren't talking about a neglected dog here.  He simply had more energy
than he could control.

The Western-Southern life insurance man, who'd come to collect the monthly
premium and was the impetus for the explosion through the front window,
recovered after a long rest, but he was taken off the road and put in the
office where dogs would not come through plate glass windows.  Princie
was never found.

I was taking care of a friend's Weimaraner when some of my 4-H kids and 
their horses dropped by for a riding lesson.  I went out to the barn after 
locking the storm door.  Helmut went with me, after coming through the 
storm door.  It took 206 stitches to sew him back together.  That's not 
the end of the story.  He did it again, about three weeks later.  He was 
better at it, though.  It only took 118 stitches that time.  This all 
happened at HIS house, where our 4-H kids and their horses dropped by all
the time.  The first time I thought he did it because he was upset that
his owner was gone.  But then he did it again when she returned.  Maybe
he just wanted to show her his new trick. 

-- 
                       Joyce Andrews King