From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: A private little war....
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:38:45 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Well, it started out as a quiet little blitz.  We had 8 players, although
three had quit, and I was only on about half of the time, because I was
playing from work.  We'd managed to bring it down to four countries:
Stronghold and Techno vs Temekula and Hoth

Things were just starting to get interesting when:


> Announcement from Techno, (#7)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:11:51 1992
Votes to continue tomorrow dudes?

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:12:02 1992
lets finish it tonight.

> Announcement from Stronghold, (#4)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:12:34 1992
tomorrow sounds good...I will leave it up to you guys to decide
which you want more.

> Announcement from Techno, (#7)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:12:40 1992
well ive been up about 45 hours..
so i be callin it quits..

> Announcement from Stronghold, (#4)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:13:11 1992
Well want to start this up tomorrow?

who will show?

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:13:50 1992
I can't play tomorrow.

> Announcement from Stronghold, (#4)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:15:51 1992
I dont want the game to end, but I also think that the loss of
Techno will just kill the game considering its a 3/1 battle then

but then Without Temekula, the game will also become very boring..

There is now time for you to make it tomorrow Temekula?


> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:16:34 1992
I can't make it tommorrow.
My wife said tonight was ok.
We have company tomorrow ... and i've got two kids ...

> Announcement from Stronghold, (#4)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:16:51 1992
Ahh...hmmm.


> Announcement from Stronghold, (#4)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:18:31 1992
hmm...whats everyone's Day like? perhaps we can hold the game till
Next Saturday...

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:19:11 1992
Why can't we just finish it tonight?
Darci has let me play in one blitz in the last 6 months ...
i'm not going to get another chance in the near future...

Really, i can't get another chance to play.
I'm not being mean, nor is Darci, i just
have other responsibilities.

However, perhaps i can find a replacement for me, or one of
you can.  Someone with similar loyalties...

> Announcement from Stronghold, (#4)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:21:44 1992
You mean someone that hates me?
:)

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:22:00 1992
Well, if you are worried about balance ...

> Announcement from Stronghold, (#4)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:22:51 1992
If we must continue the game later, we will definitely need
a replacement for Temekula..

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:25:54 1992
I would like to finish tonight.
I can play tonight.
I can't play later.
I haven't played in a blitz since ...
Well, i played NorthPole about half a year ago, but the
deity crashed the game in the middle.
I guess you would have to go back almost a year, or last fall,
to my last blitz.
Have a dewski, Techno.  :)

> Announcement from Stronghold, (#4)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:32:13 1992
Im stuck...

I dont wanna have Temekula Drop out...

but then...I also dont want this to be go to shit...

If we do put it back up tomorrow, Im sure Valinor will play
again..and perhaps Ess too....

I have looked for replacements tonight..but there are none..
at all.


> Announcement from Stronghold, (#4)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:34:28 1992
Well....Tomorrow seems the best all around idea

That way we can get replacements for whoever is gone, or at least
some of the players will be back...

Im sorry to temeluka that he cannot be here tomorrow...
I really am.

> Announcement from Stronghold, (#4)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:38:57 1992
Okay..the game goes down in 20 minutes...

okay?

If your gonna do somethin..do it now


> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:40:03 1992
:(

> Announcement from Stronghold, (#4)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:42:41 1992
Techno just left..

1 more update...its down

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:45:10 1992
I guess im' glad to be quitting.
My jet planes were demolished by sopwiths and mustangs.
Jeez, why fix the fighting words if you don't fix the fighting.

I'm pretty sure i would have won this, too.
Oh well, enjoy finishing it up.

[Uh oh....  *What* did he say?]

> Announcement from Stronghold, (#4)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:46:01 1992
Man...your a cocky fuck arent you...
I really doubt you would win this...

It was too even..

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:46:34 1992
hell, i just had a F-4 take 39, against a sopwith that took
1.

> Announcement from Stronghold, (#4)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:47:07 1992
Yeah, but that was Captain Darksider :)

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:47:12 1992
Yeah, sure Strong.
Well, you'll never know.
Hell, did we stop the game when Valinor quit?
no.
Did we stop when Ess quit?
no.
just when your ally quits.
That sucks.

> Announcement from Stronghold, (#4)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:47:44 1992
Yeah..when you have 3 allies...against 1...

Well no offense thats kinda fucked

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:48:08 1992
yeah, sorry ... Strong, who are the 3 allies?

[Temekula had three allies:  vernaria (who had been fighting Techno
for the last two hours and losing {but putting up a good fight}),
Valinor, who had quit over an hour ago, and Hoth).]

> Announcement from Stronghold, (#4)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:49:28 1992

Well anyways...I have yet yet to be beaten..Im not saying this
as a threat, or to be cocky, If I am beaten (I have lost in a 
blitz mind you...To Justus, and to Resrunt, but in a long term
game) 

If he beats me fine....I accept it..but sayint that he is the
winner is bs..
and sayin Im a wimp because I think the game should be brought
back up tomorrow is BS

Gee...You were allied with Valinor,vernaria and Hoth...

I think thats a bit one sided..sure Ver just got hashed..
and Val quit.. but give me a break

[ver is dead, and Valinor quit, but hey, they're still your
allies! ;-)]

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:50:37 1992
Well, Stronghold, you get what you want.
You can play tomorrow with your ally.
I can wait, maybe i'll get to play again at christmas.
I think this sucks.
When i signed up, the blitz was for tonight ...
Not for tonight, and then whenever else so your ally
could play.
However, if you ever want to fight me one - on - one, i'll
TELL darci to let me ...
If you think you can take me down.

> Announcement from The Firm, (#0)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:51:12 1992
Game going down...

What a depressing think to do, but fuck it...

So be it..It will be up 7:30pm tomorrow for anyone that
wants to continue

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:52:08 1992
I'm allied to Vernaria, cuz i was NOT KILLING him .. he
doesn't seem to know how to plaly.
Valinor isn't around.
Quit your damn whining.
Next time you want to start a blitz, ANNOUNCE you will be taking
it down.
The last blitz i saw specifically said it was going down at
night ... and starting against the next day.  I didn't sign
up for that one.

> Announcement from The Firm, (#0)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:52:48 1992
He Doesnt like me cause Im an 'ass'

forgive me...Like I said, when he beats me fine...

I will live...
So be it...


> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:53:45 1992
i don't like you, Stronghold, cuz you can't play a game
and be polite.
If you want to fight me one-on-one, you and me, a private
blitz, i'd be happy to.
Until then, i know i would have beaten you this game.
That is just the way it is.
Your attacks were pretty damn unimpressive.

> Announcement from The Firm, (#0)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:54:14 1992
fine...

Whatever...just dont give me 'you take the game down because
your ally cant play..'

thats bullshit...3 people are out right now...

Point and simple...

fuck...

> Announcement from The Firm, (#0)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:55:27 1992
All I did was do minor damage...I found your dist point..

and I took a bridge down.

that is all.
No offense, but did you do more?

With your pathetic attack with a assault sub?

or your attempt to bomb me with A-6's?

> Announcement from Hoth, (#8)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:54:49 1992
Hey, you guys want to settle it?  I'll set up a one-on-one.
64x32 world, updates however you want them.  I've got a machine
over here I can run it on.  You want colonies or no colonies?
Equal start islands for both.  Exact same resources, everything.


> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:55:57 1992
You didn't say a fucking thing about taking the game down
until your ally was quitting, and then it was 'it won't be
fair'
Christ, as if fair mattered in a game of empire.
Again, I would have won (my side)
if you think otherwise, play a damn one-on-one against me.
Hell, we can do it tonight.
I'm pretty damn awake, and i'm pretty pissed.
Its too bad i wasted my one blitz on this one.

> Announcement from The Firm, (#0)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:56:14 1992
I will play...Definitely...When do you want to do it...
Temekula?

What do you want the setup to be?


> Announcement from Hoth, (#8)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:56:36 1992
Cool!  8-)

> Announcement from The Firm, (#0)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:57:18 1992
Next saturday sound good Temekula?

Your so pissed...

hmmm?

Which code do you want?
what updates...?

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:57:18 1992
Hoth volunteers a machine, FIRM, put your money where your
mouth is.
Until then, we'll see.
I enjoyed watching your attacks.
I guess i'm used to BBN, where jets don't take shit from
Sopwith's and Mustangs.
I could get over that.
Besides, i wouldn't have flown the obmbers against you if
i knew the game wasn't endiing.

> Announcement from The Firm, (#0)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:57:41 1992
Excuse Me I just did....twice

So shutup

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:57:50 1992
Lets do it tonight.
What code would you like?
Lets do Zdone for updates.
I'd like the BBN code, but i'll use this one if you like.


'so shutup'
hahaha...
i did have fun until it ended, and i'd love to do a 1-1 blitz
tonight.

> Announcement from The Firm, (#0)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:58:32 1992
Im not going to play a full game tonight...

There isnt a possible way for me to play another full blitz.

Point and simple.

> Announcement from Hoth, (#8)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:58:55 1992
Tonight is kinda bad.  I need time to set this up.
Any day after today is good.

I can probably even download Scum's bbn code, if you can wait a day
for me to get it.

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:58:56 1992
Well then, when?

I'd rather have Scums code.
Zdone isn't critical, but it allows for breaks ...
Will you deity it, Jorge?

> Announcement from Hoth, (#8)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:59:59 1992
I'll do it.  Scum's code OK with you, Firm?


> Announcement from The Firm, (#0)  dated Sun Jul 26 03:59:27 1992
I Just said How about next Saturday..did I not?

Put up Scums code.


> Announcement from The Firm, (#0)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:00:06 1992
50 Etus sound good Temekufuck?

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:00:28 1992
now its names.
50 etus?
how about something standard, like 48.

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:00:07 1992
next saturday ...
Well, we'll have to have zdone, as i can't get out of babysitting
again.
What time would you like to start?

> Announcement from The Firm, (#0)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:00:36 1992

how about 8:00pm EDT time?

Sound good?

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:01:07 1992
8:00 is fine.

how do we want the tech?


> Announcement from The Firm, (#0)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:01:42 1992

okay....that is fine..48 etus...identical nonperfect resource
islands?

say 50 sectors...

make it a 64x32 world? with lots of water?

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:02:24 1992
64x32 ... fine
50 sector start islands ... fine.
lets have some visitor countries too.

> Announcement from The Firm, (#0)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:02:32 1992
Same as BBN is fine with me...

Also, what about colonies?
None or some?

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:03:14 1992
colonies are fine ... as long as they are fairly spaced.

> Announcement from The Firm, (#0)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:03:29 1992
No tools, only the basic Emp_client.

Sound good?

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:03:49 1992
all i ever use is empclient.
Hell, you can disable dump.

> Announcement from The Firm, (#0)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:04:21 1992
Sound good to me...

I only use emp_client 1.1 

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:04:49 1992
jeez, i don't even know what version of empclient i have.
I had a friend ftp it for me.
I'll assume its 1.1

> Announcement from The Firm, (#0)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:04:50 1992
Gee...Thats the same e-mail address of someone who tried to
get into pogo...

hmm..Are you a good friend of Scotts?

are we going to zdone?

or what?
Zdone really isnt a realistic idea....I would prefer
10-15 minute updates

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:05:41 1992
Did you read the message i put on pogo?
I asked 'is there going to be a game here'
So, if that is me trying to break in, you caught
me, mister detective.

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:05:58 1992
fine, 15 minutes updates ...
i'll need that as i'll be babysitting.

lets use the same tech as bbn code.

> Announcement from Hoth, (#8)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:07:52 1992
OK, I'm not sure what BBN uses.  I'll go with the default (and
if it looks very irregular, I'll ask Scum).

I'll add 5 visitor countries.

Anything else you guys want on it?

> Announcement from The Firm, (#0)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:08:19 1992
No nukes other than smalll anti-sat nukes...

make it so Visitors can talk....


> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:08:49 1992
Whatever the BBN setup is is fine with me.
For tech, ships, planes.
48 etus.  15 minutes/update.
Visitor countries.

> Announcement from The Firm, (#0)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:08:57 1992
Sound good Temekula?

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:09:27 1992
sounds fine with me.
I can't wait til saturday.
Then you can brag about how you lost a game.

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:09:06 1992
Thanks for doing this, Jorge.

> Announcement from Hoth, (#8)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:09:26 1992
No prob.   I enjoy deiting. :-)

> Announcement from The Firm, (#0)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:11:00 1992
Sure.....Mr. 'You cant be nice so Im going to hurt you'

> Announcement from Techno, (#7)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:12:14 1992
Well.. I would like to thank Del for putting 
this game up... Some people enjoy just
sitting down playing a game.. rather 
than trying to pick it to pieces  just because
it doesnt satisfy your every desire..
Thanks for playing guys
I look forward to seeing Vernaria and Valinor
in future games as well as Hoth..
			evening..

[What?!!!  What's Techno doing on?  Didn't this whole thing start because
he wanted to go to sleep????]

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:12:58 1992
Why are you still on, Techno?
You having to quit started this all...
jeez, i just don't understand.

> Announcement from Techno, (#7)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:13:46 1992
could it be .. that I am giving a ride t The Firm?

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:14:36 1992
giving a ride?
So you two guys are in the same room together?  Waiting to 
give the other a ride home?

> Announcement from The Firm, (#0)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:15:11 1992
We are in the same lab..yes...
why?

> Announcement from Techno, (#7)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:14:00 1992
Could it be... that you actually DONT know everything?

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:15:20 1992
There are lots of things i don't know.
What i don't understand is why Techno is still up.
To give you a ride home?
I guess that implies the game was going to go down tonight
no matter what?

> Announcement from Hoth, (#8)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:17:29 1992
Machine will be fantasy.gatech.edu port 1669

Let me have both your email addresses, though, just in case
I need to get in touch.

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:17:45 1992
I'd like to thank for the blitz, but i feel i suffered from
a misunderstanding that it was to be a saturday night blitz.
If you were with Techno, why the hell did he start the blitz?
Why did you start it?
It sure seems stupid to me now.  I feel you could have warned
us the blitz might not last.
Instead, we get going, and then its going to end.
Pretty shitty planning.
Thanks anyway ... the effort was there, and it was fun while
it lasted.  Plan better next time.

So, can i be assured that i will be playing against one person,
or will it be both of you?

> Announcement from Techno, (#7)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:19:45 1992
This is pretty much the first time I have been too tired to continue
especially since this is the first time i have been on the
computer for over 2 months... and I just got done with a 2000
mile trip..

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:20:33 1992
ah, so there was an anticipated quitting time?  I'm sure as
hell that was announced in the mailing.
I've gotten mailings WITH QUITTING TIMES ... this wasn't one
of them.
I'm disappointed with the planning ...
there was no announced (at the beginning) quitting time ...
Why did you start if you were tired?

> Announcement from Temekula, (#2)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:19:27 1992
are you going to be there, Jorge, to monitor?
In case there is need for a break?
I can just see Xandra waking up sick that night ...

> Announcement from Hoth, (#8)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:20:51 1992
Yes, I'll be here all night that night (well, until 7am anyway).

And if both sides agree to a break, we'll take a break (either
with the game up or down, whatever you guys agree to).

> Announcement from The Firm, (#0)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:23:55 1992
See ya all on Saturday..

Thanks again Hoth for supporting this..gonna be a good one.


> Announcement from Hoth, (#8)  dated Sun Jul 26 04:24:22 1992
OK, guys, see you both next week.

:-)



So, after much more debating and chest-beating (deleted), the two managed
to agree on the parameters for their little one-on-one.  Anyone who's
interested (or who just doesn't have anything better to do on a Saturday
night ;-), log into a Vistor country and see how the war goes.  Vistors
can anno, so cheer for your favorite tyrant.

Machine will be fantasy.gatech.edu, port 1669.

Should be a good one, folks.


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Georgia Institute of Technology  |      outequipped what else have you got?"
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