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From: mahmud-mehdi@yale.edu (Mehdi Mahmud)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: aid and bangladesh military
Date: 17 Nov 1992 03:43:49 -0500
Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

In article <ZAHIN.92Nov16215414@occs.cs.oberlin.edu> zahin@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Kazi Zahin S. Hasan) writes:

>A couple of points.

	...article deleted...

The following excerpt is unabashedly taken from the New York 
Times without their permission:
	
	HOW ONE SOMALI FAMILY, SOME OF IT, SURVIVES
	 by: Jane Perlez

BARDERA, Somalia, Nov12 - By traditional Somali standards, the family
of Nur Ibrahim Omer and his wife, Fatima, was well-to-do. They herded
livestock over vast and empty spaces, drank camel's milk and
celebrated with singing and dancing when the seasons were good. They
were entirely self-sufficient, living a pastoral existence that had
changed little for centuries.
   Modernity arrived about three yeasr ago when men from a rival
sub-clan armed with assault rifles, instead of the usual spears, swept
in and stole their camels, cattle and goats. Bereft of their wealth
and the means to recreate it, the once-proud family began a steady
slide into destitution.
   In August, after three of their children died and the last grain
was gone, Mr. Omer and his wife, Fatima Ali Abdi, bundled up their
favorite cooking pots, collected their three surviving children and
shuffled, stooped and weak, for the three days to this bush outpost...

	...rest of article deleted...

I think that adequately summarizes the reasons why military buildup
is essential to economic development, especially when we are 
surrounded by powerful neighbors. The argument has been proferred 
that our neighbors have nothing to gain from an invasion... true
for the present; but what happens when we *do* get around to 
building a stronger economy... will that be as true then? 

Too bad economic theory never paid any attention to history. :)

>When a stupid man is doing something he's ashamed of, he always 
>declares that it is his duty.
>
>                                  George Bernard Shaw 

Since you like George Bernard Shaw so much, here's another one 
of his quotes, one of my favorites. :)

	He knows nothing, and he thinks he knows
	everything. That points clearly to an
	economics career.

With best wishes.
Asif
-- 
~mahmud@cs.yale.edu		Strategic thinking is the art of outdoing
~Mehdi Mahmud			an adversary always remembering that he is
~P.O. Box 688 Yale Station	trying to do the same to you.
~New Haven, CT 06520.		   - Dixit & Nalebuff (Strategic Thinking)
From: lal@cs.arizona.edu (The Morning Sun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: THE REAL REASON (Re: US military assistance to Bangladesh)
Keywords: US ditches Pak...... US befriends Bangladesh....... Why???????
Date: 16 Nov 92 07:34:09 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <4840@equinox.unr.edu> hakim@unssun.UUCP (Ashraf Al Hakim) writes:
>Dear Netters,
>
>I am sorry for all the provocations my article caused. I guess my article 
>wasn't clear enough. But let me summerise my points.
>1. Bangladesh is poor.
>2. We have to develop ECONOMICALLY.
>3. We have border problems.
>4. We love our country.
>

[ stuff deleted]

>  
>In short "Amrica ke die shob kisu korano, jaivabe Israel americake
>die shob kisu korai."
>
>Thank you for all of your replies. I am sorry and apologise to anyone I have
>offended. Bangladesh Zindabad.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Ashraf.





For the first time something you say makes complete sense.
I completely agree with everything you have to say in this article.
But why post this on SCI?
Tumi boka.

A. Lal




Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: mks9e@amsun26.apma.Virginia.EDU (Mustafa Kemal Husein Saiyid)
Subject:  Mosque in CHARLOTTESVILLE VA
Reply-To: mks9e@amsun26.apma.Virginia.EDU (Mustafa Kemal Husein Saiyid)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 18:33:52 GMT

Dear Muslims,

I'm posting this letter to the net on behalf of the Islamic Society
of Albemarle County and Charlottesville in Virginia.

In recent years we have been blessed by a growing muslim presence on
and around the University of Virginia. Each year more muslims arrive,
a few stay and more faces appear regularly at Friday prayers and at
lectures and activities sponsored by the UVA Muslim Student
Association. Although this growth is a wonderful gift of Allah, it
makes all too obvious our need for a place to call our own.

Traditionally, the masjid formed a nucleus about which a town or
city revolved. We here in Charlottesville find ourselves with no
permanent presence and no base for Islamic practice, education or
propagation. Out jumma prayers are in a church, and although to
the ignorant or naive university administrator it is "non-
denominational," the UVA chapel is all-too-Christian. Many of
us find worshipping in a place surrounded by crucifixes and
depictions of a supposed son of God revolting_if not just
plain haram.

Some concerned Muslims in the area met to discuss this issue
on the first of the month. They made a tentative plan for
establishing an Islamic organization with a permanent facility
within the town and near the University. The result was the
Islamic Society of Albemarle County and Charlottesville.

ISAAC has set a goal of $150,000  for the purchase and
establishment of house for Muslims. This money would come
from Islamic and corporate organizational donations, parents of
students, Muslim families and individuals and organized not for
profit ventures. Our secretary is pursuing formal documentation
of ISAAC as a religious and legal corporation/association as well
as the appropriate tax exempt status.

We welcome all suggestions, assistance and participation.
Please contact:
Inayat von Briesen
ISAAC Acting President
109 Woodrow Street #36
Charlottesville, VA 22903
(804)296-7854

or
Mustafa K. Saiyid
837-6 Copeley III
Station 2
Charlottesville, VA 22904
(804)979-7850
mks9e@amsun.apma.virginia.edu

Finally, please remember that of the myriad activities that take our time
and energy, in the end there are only a few that we can proudly hold
forth before God when our time comes.

                                    Thank you,
                                    Mustafa Saiyi

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: ghosh-bhaskar@cs.yale.edu (Bhaskar Ghosh)
Subject: Re: Religious Tolerance and Muhammads battles (Now Poem etc)
Followup-To: soc.culture.bangladesh
Organization: /net/elvis/home/na/ghosh/.organization
	<1992Nov18.223616.14508@ee.rochester.edu>
	<92Nov19.131218est.9084@rock.db.toronto.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:06:28 GMT

In article <92Nov19.131218est.9084@rock.db.toronto.edu> zmhasan@db.toronto.edu ("Masum Z. Hasan") writes:


	   So let me start it........
	   A poem by Tagore, translated I guess by Protima Bowes.
	   I don't know its Bangla version, anyone?
	   More (romantic, patriotic ones) will follow.

< ... poem deleted .. >

	   Masum
	   zmhasan@ois.db.toronto.edu
	   zmhasan@neumann.uwaterloo.ca

	   ####################################################################

	   I only took the regular course ... the different branches of 
	   Arithmetic - Ambition, Distraction, Uglification and Derision.
	   --Lewis Carrol (Through the Looking_glass)

	   ####################################################################


Needless to say,

our die-hard Hindoo and Mussalman friends will find Tagore's harsh 
 words as constituting a direct attack on their faith and
sensibilities and vilify the memory of this humanist on the net in no
time.

So brandish your scimitars and tridents my brethren, while i run and
look for some asbestos !

- bhaskar ;-)

-- 
===============================================================================
Bhaskar Ghosh   	    		"Tomar pujar chholey, 
ghosh@cs.yale.edu  @yalecs.bitnet        Tomay bhulei thaki"- Robithakur
===============================================================================
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA)
Subject: INTER-RELIGIOUS MARRIAGE - actual example.
Organization: Nagoya University Computation Center, Nagoya, Japan.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 02:05:55 GMT

r readers,

    This is a letter from a friend, in reply to
my letter. With his permission I would like to
share it with you.

In this regards, I would like to say some thing.
Many people fear to post in the SCB, because they
feel that they will be abused in the NET. So
I propose that there should be a way in which
a person can post his letter hiding his
IDENTITY. I think many groups have it. I get
many letter. When I write to to them to be public
they are afaid. So please convey my massage to
the appropriate place.


(MY LETER DELETED)

His part of letter follows:




I know of a similar situation...but I have no time to discuss it in detail now.
I will send e-mail in a few days.

I am a moslem man, and I'm in love with a Hindu woman.  Between us there isn't
any trouble, but with parents and everything there is alot of trouble [on both
sides].  I, too, wonder what Islam says about this situation, which is similar
to that you mentioned.
                                                Regards,
                                                        XXXXXXXXXXXXXX



What? Do you feel some thing wrong in your heart? Open your heart
please.

with regards
SUPRATIC GUPTA

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: alam@ee.rochester.edu (Sheikh Kaisar Alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: My kill file
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:58:11 GMT
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

I'm putting indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM, and f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp
in my kill file for scb.
I strongly urge them to go to soc.religion.islam for these discussions. The
topics introduced by them have long gone past their relevance to Bangladesh.
If I wanted discussions about islam, I would read sri, not scb.

Shuja
-- 
Always tell the truth,			|	Opportunities are never lost,
    Nothing but the truth,		|	but, are taken by others.
	But, not the whole truth.
From: rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Subject: Re: U.S. military aid to Bangladesh
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:11:44 GMT

In article <ZAHIN.92Nov19153948@occs.cs.oberlin.edu>, zahin@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Kazi Zahin S. Hasan) writes:
> A policy as far-reaching as this kind of "deal" should not be
> evaluated only by its effects on foreign exchange reserves.  
> 
> Do you think that the length of Ferdinand Marcos' 16-year regime was
> unrelated to the US military presence?  Marcos knew that as long as he
> guaranteed the future of the American bases, American aid would keep
> coming. Hence, he could be as repressive as he wanted to be with no
> fear of meaningful international backlash.
Yes it was. Look at the fact that the Aquino regime was also Pro-US as 
is the current Ramos$regime. Marcos` grip was unrelated to his pro-us
stance. In fact, even Beningno Aquino was pro US. the U.S. would have
had no problem retaining their bases as most politicians in the
Philippines at that time were pro US whether their party was the   
KBL, LDP, or NP. 

Believe it or not the main reason marcos was able to stay in power was
because he had a lot of local support.
> 
> Given these circumstances, is it surprising that he was able to
> intimidate his opposition into silence? 

> 
> Can you imagine what would have happened in Bangladesh if Ershad had
> stayed in power for ten more years? But if the US had been allowed to
> establish bases in Bangladeshi territory, this might have been the
> case. If such bases are built in the future, our next dictator _may_
> very well stay in power for much longer than Ershad managed.
> 
> I might also add that due to the huge inflow of US "aid" during the
> Marcos years, the Philippines is still one of the most heavily
> indebted countries in Asia.
> Zahin Hasan
Once again, the I must add that the problem in the Philippines is due to
mishandling of tle economy by local politicians rather than the US. 

> 				
> 
> 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: zsardar@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Ziak Sardar)
Subject: Re: Tropical cyclone
Summary: thank the ALMIGHTY
Organization: Northeastern University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:51:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.132025.21958@lut.ac.uk>, rahin@scs.leeds.ac.uk (M A Rahin) writes:
> >>>That tropical cyclone which was reported by Jack Beven is heading for 
> >..
> >>>24 h from now. Krishnamurti.
> >>
> >>
> >>According to Radio Australia news (monitored this morning), the cylone has
> >>already hit the southern part of Bangladesh.  The devastation is quite intense.
> >>The reception of the news was not very clear.  But I think I heard that it was
> >>one of the worst (again?). If anyone has more information, please post.
> >>
> >>-- Ruhul Amin
> >
> >If anyone has any information, however little it is , please do post it. 
> >I will call home tonight and post information relevant to it as soon as 
> >possible.
> >
> >Allah please don't let it happen again and again.
> >
> 
> I've just talked with my sister in Ctg. The cyclone warning signal rose
> to danger level 10 last night. However, by mid-day today (in Ctg. of
> course) that went down slightly and now in the evening it's at quite a
> cautionary low level. It seems we are spared this time.
> 
> >Md Ishfaqur Raza
> 
> - Rahin

We all should express our gratitude to the Almighty Allah for sparing us
this time.


Zia A Karim Sardar
From: mahmud-mehdi@cs.yale.edu (Mehdi Mahmud)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Religious (In) Tolerance & Muhammad's Battles
Date: 16 Nov 1992 13:32:37 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: canary.zoo.cs.yale.edu


In article <1992Nov15.155937.16045@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes:

	...some amusing bits of propaganda deleted...

|> -Indu
|> +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
|> |  My  views expressed above are made on a PERSONAL basis              |
|> |  No Group or  Organization   can be held responsible                 |
|> |                                ( for those in quest of truth .......)|
|> +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

	Indeed, these views would *have* to be "made on a PERSONAL 
basis" because no "Group or Organization" would want to look that
foolish...

	BTW, this is a flame. Feel free to be even more foolish
and respond.

	With best wishes.
	Asif
-- 
mahmud@cs.yale.edu		Strategic thinking is the art of outdoing
Mehdi Mahmud			an adversary always remembering that he is
P.O. Box 688 Yale Station	trying to do the same to you.
New Haven, CT 06520.		   - Dixit & Nalebuff (Strategic Thinking)
From: haque@sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu (Anisul Haque,,,)
Subject: Re: Crime, Economy and more News
Reply-To: haque@sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:11:04 GMT

In article 23605@vela.acs.oakland.edu, mkaziz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (KHALED AZIZ) writes:
> >3] There is a silver lining growing behind the clouds in terms of the 
> >	economic condition of the country. Specially the fact about the
> >	per capita income which has now been able to cross beyond 200
> >	dollars to around 220. This is a break because as far as I remember
> >	it has never been more than 200. Though not much in terms of dollars
> >	or real value, but it will definitely have some effect on the morale 
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^      
> >	of the teeming millions.  
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> That's intersting.  But again I am interested in the source.  Are we
> talking about nominal dollars ? (i.e.: Are these figures adjusted for
> inflation?)  How about the distribution of income?  Is the gap widening
> or narrowing down? 

I, too would like to know if there has been any recent shift in the distribution 
of income. Otherwise, I don't think it would have any effect on millions. I don`t 
think the millions give a damn about per capita income, unless their condition 
changes.

> (6)
> Biman is finally starting it's operation in NY-Dhaka route from March 1st 
> '93.  This was announced by the Managing Director of Biman recently in
> New York City.

Any idea, how much will it cost? Will the price be as high as before, or will it 
come down to a level comparable to other cheap airlines (like Gulf)? 
 
Regards,

Anisul Haque
Clarkson University
From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: U.S. military aid to Bangladesh
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 08:31:15 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <Bxz81C.C0C@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>

>The presence of the US or US aid to the Philippines is irrelevant to
>their economic decline. The Philippine`s declined because its leaders
>were to corrupt (Marcos) and because their govt. lacked vision.
>
>U.S. military aid to Bangladesh may be a boon. It could take of some
>of the burden of military spending from the annual budget. Moreover,
>military ties can be exploited in favor of economic ties. Just take
>a look at South Korea and Japan.

I suspect you will find there is little correlation between US military
aid and development. Philippines may have declined despite US military
aid, and I suspect S. Korea and Japan grew despite US military aid.

What did happen (if you open your history book), Japan's got released
from an occupied status when the N. Korean's and Chinese invaded S.
Korea, and their industry was aided. Pakistan also went through a
similar growth spurt during the Korean war, have the only years
of export surplus (based on Jute bags to the war). Pakistan 
did not use the money wisely, whereas the Japanese did. 

After the war, the Koreans came to examine the Pakistani "Economic
Miracle", and copied the methods and succeeded wildly at it. The
"Economic Miracle" was run out of Harvard's institute for Intl 
Development. The institute subsequently shifted its focus to
S. Korea.

As for military aid, it only helped Pakistan lose three wars wiht
India :-).

Hassan
From: raza@ee.umr.edu (Md Ishfaqur Raza)
Subject: Re: Tropical cyclone
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:54:37 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla



The latest news on the tropical cyclone :


It has not yet hit land( at 8:00 p.m. central time). It is estimated that the
cyclone shall hit land in about 4 to 5 hours.

The cyclone is likely to hit land somewhere near Cox's Bazar .  

The danger signal at present is 8. It was 10 yesterday night. The cyclone is
weakening fast. 

Government has taken much stronger measures( in comparison to 1991) to prepare
for the oncoming disaster.

BTV has cut of its regular program since yesterday night and instead is 
broadcasting Hamd, Nat(songs heralding Allah and prophet Muhammed (pbuh) 
and recitation of the holy Quran. 

The severity of the cyclone is comparable( though in a lesser extent) to the 
1991 cyclone.

***** For us there is now only to wait and pray ******


Md Ishfaqur Raza

.


 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Subject: Re: CFV: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya moderated
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:32:00 GMT

>.....
  So much is being said here on islam/ahmadi/... 
  I thought best place would have been .islam
  Here is a punjabi poem to conclude (I have forgotten the author)

	Rub ik gunguldar bujharat
	Rub ik gorikhdhundha
	Kholunlagia pache es they
	Kafir howay bandha
	Kafir hone tun dur kay jeevayn
	khojhoon mool na khunjayn
	laei lug momun dey koloon
	khojee kafir chunga

Mirza Ilyas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed)
Subject: Cyclone
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:06:37 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


   One woman was killed and nearly 50 people were injured when a storm
on Saturday flattened or blew away hundreds of houses on Saint
Martin's island in the Bay of Bengal, relief officials said.

   They said dozens of homes were also damaged in Teknaf, Bangladesh's
southernmost district when winds gusting up to 60 kph (37 mph)
battered the area.

   Rows of plastic and bamboo-made shanties in camps for Burmese
refugees near Cox's Bazar were also blown down but officials said none
of the refugees had died.

   Cox's Bazar is temporary home to nearly 300,000 Burmese Rohingya
refugees fleeing alleged military persecution.

   ''The number of casualties may go up when detailed reports from all
the affected areas will be available,'' one official at Cox's Bazar
said, adding that he still believed very few lives would be lost.

    Bangladesh's worst cyclone on record killed more than 138,000
people and left millions homeless in April last year.

   The government and the Red Crescent society evacuated nearly one
million people from coastal areas and islands in the Bay of Bengal as
the new storm approached, officials said. Many more packed up and fled
on their own.

   The storm, which roared in from the Bay of Bengal, crossed the
Bangladesh coast south of Cox's Bazar on Saturday afternoon.
Weathermen said it was weakening further into a deep depression.

   The storm triggered a three-foot (one-metre) water surge in some of
the affected areas, said Golam Rabbani, Director of the Cyclone
Preparedness Centre at Chittagong port city.
--
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\_/                                                                        |
| | Saifuddin Ahmed                                                        |
| | sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu                                             |
| |________________________________________________________________________/
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From: ahmedss@ntmtv.UUCP (Syed Ahmed)
Subject: Re: CFV: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya moderated
Keywords: News on Long March
Reply-To: ahmedss@ntmtv.UUCP (Syed Ahmed)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:17:33 GMT

While talking to my brother in England I got the news of the
result of the Long March that was going to happen today in
Pakistan.
One news is that Benazir got arrested, but Govt line is that
she is not under arrest but has been escorted to her hous/home.

Anybody out there has got any more to share..........


Syed Ahmed.



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