HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire)
Subject: Re: Summary - should UK groups be sent to UUnet (yes).
Organization: Intellection, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:56:17 GMT

In article <qs8muB3w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:

     In summary Ian, all I am saying is that a properly called vote should be
   taking palce BEFORE names gettossed on the net.  Also, as proposed before, I
   am willing to design a ballot for the such.

Since the discussion revolves around the "uk.*" hierarchy, which is
not one of the Usenet hierarchies, the Usenet guidelines do not apply.
The people who control the "uk.*" hierarchy are free to do whatever
they want with it, and you are free to carry it or not.  That's all.
-- 
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Systems Administrator/       Dallas, Texas 75234
 Member of Technical Staff   214/620-2100, FAX 214/484-8110
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From: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Accent and Dialect, the politics there
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:47:23 GMT
Reply-To: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Organization: Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.

In article <1992Nov13.181748.18622@gssec.bt.co.uk>
cwilson@gssec.bt.co.uk (Colin Wilson) writes:

>At the foot of this posting is a list of forty Scots words, not cognate with
>English.

	I'm not *quite* sure what your implication is.  Several of your words
[eg, "bonny", "burn", "bairn"] would be understood (in the Scots sense) by
any native speaker of English;  others ["sark", "lum", "haver", "blether",
"brae", "fash"] would be understood by anyone who remembered their literary
or other associations [as in "Cutty Sark", "lang may your lum reek", etc.];
"sneck", "lug", "neb", "snib" are all used in your sense by my Lincolnshire
relatives;  "breiks" is surely cognate with "breeches", "chunner" with
"chunter", "close" with "close".

	Nevertheless, I freely admit that you could easily produce whole
sentences of Scots dialect/language that would be totally incomprehensible
to the average Midlander, Londoner, Bristolian, or whatever;  but I'd guess
that *every* region of the UK could easily retaliate in kind.  Even the
boring Midlands -- I have a yellowing clipping on my office wall with
"translations" of local stuff such as "Oo worra weeya", "Gizzarfonitt",
"Gerrup yo elsal bat yatab", "Atod im ee cud pleez issen", "Gerroff't
causie", etc.

	No-one pretends that Nottinghamese is a separate language, despite
its many differences in grammar, inflexion, phonetics and vocabulary from
BBC English!  Where the differences become so large as to turn a dialect
into a language is surely a purely political matter, not easily subject
to quantification.

-- 
Andy Walker, Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.
anw@maths.nott.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
From: tony@nexus.yorku.ca (Anthony Wallis)
Subject: French linguistic influence on Scots.
Organization: York University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:10:11 GMT

Ray Dunn (ray@philmtl.philips.ca) :
> There are certainly quite a few French _words_ that have been corrupted
> into Scots, but I can think of no influence on the grammar. ..

How about spelling ?  The usual mis-spelling of my surname, "Wallis",
(essentially the same as "Wales" - from a Roman semi-derogatory term
 for the Celts, Volcae = aliens) as "Wallace" I blame on a past
period of French-Scottish coziness. 

--
tony@nexus.yorku.ca = Tony Wallis, York University, Toronto, Canada

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
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Subject: VNS: Wed 18-Nov-1992
Keywords: VNS,news
Organization: Digital Equipment Service Industries Solutions Company Ltd
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    The government will today publish the first comprehensive league tables
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    independent schools around the country.

    A Hampshire doctor, who was convicted of attempted murder after he gave a
    lethal injection to a dying patient, has been severely reprimanded by
    the General Medical Council but has been allowed to continue to work as
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    Two meetings take place today in Washington between EC and US officials
    to try and restart talks aimed at settling the trade dispute. In
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From: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Record Title
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:38:33 GMT
Reply-To: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

I'm looking for the title and artists of a record out last year - maybe
the year before - by a British Asian personor group.

The chorus went something like:

"Making a million
 Making a million in my corner shop!"

Can anyone help?

ta
M

--
Morna Findlay 					JANET:morna@uk.ac.ed.dcs 
	Thanksgiving For a National Victory (Robert Burns)
Ye hypocrites! are these your pranks? To murder men and give God thanks?
Desist, for shame! Proceed no further: God won't accept your thanks for murther.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada,sci.research.careers
From: anne@cs.UAlberta.CA (Anne J.R. Nield)
Subject: Re: Not Re: Canadian free speech in action
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:29:38 GMT

sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:

then you have
>to go and slime the half of the human race which DOESN'T generally
>start flame wars on usenet.

>It has been said (by me) that women are always getting sh*t for
>behaving for several days of each month the way that men do
>all the time.  

Right on Sue!  Hear!  Hear!!!  (I'm not willing to add a smiley, but
I AM willing to acknowledge that this is not true of ALL men.
Probably some of the ones who consider themselves exceptions
SHOULDN'T, however.)

An


>Oh, all right.  :-)



Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: In your school?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:26:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.163103.10180@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>, bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross) writes...
>ambidge@ecf.toronto.edu (Chris Ambidge) writes:
>: Laurence Godfre recently wrote:
>: 
>: >Exactly as I claimed - you canadians are simply all arseholes
>: >
>: >Laurencxe
>: >
>: 
>: I know that scientists are supposed to  look at Nature and see if they
>: can observe trends.  However, I would say that describing 26+ million
>: people "all arseholes" something of an overgeneralisation.
>: 
>: Would somebody please give  this gentleman (and I use the term loosely)
>: a lesson  on netiquette?  He is being out-and-out rude.  He obviously
>: has had unfortunate experiences from his time in Ottawa, and has an 
>: aversion to things Canadian.  I can understand that.  However, when I
>: am reading a newsgroup, I neither need nor deserve to be called "an
>: arsehole" just because I choose to live in Canada.
>: 
>: Dr Godfrey, please cease your  tirades against all-things-Canadian.
> 
>Sir Godfrey's hatred of is not unique, Chris.
>On soc.culture.british, he is currently slamming all-things-German.
>("Sorry to hear that you find yourself in that most awful of countries.  I
>too was there for a couple of year untl recently, and I must say that
>the Germans are appalling people.") 
> 
>He is also reknown for his hatred of all-things-Thai and all-things-Philipino.
> 
>I suspect his real problem is a hatred for all-things-not-Laurence,
>plus a cavalier attitude towards his lithium prescription.
> 

This is incorrect - I have had a few arguments with the Thais because I told
the truth about some things, but I love their country and have been there
11 times now, and worked there for a year.  As for the Filipinos - I am
married to one.  I don't have a lithium presciption - besides I believe
it's no longer in use.

Laurence
From: mckeonj@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Women priests can't sing
Date: 23 Nov 92 09:33:22 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

In article <Bxxo2B.FvM.1@cs.cmu.edu>, nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes:
> 
>    However there is one drawback to having a woman a priest, one that 
>    seems to have been overlooked in the debate.
>    Women can't intone.
> 
> But who wants sung rites anyway? Ghastly things.
Most people who go to church do so to hear sung rites.
They do not go to hear trendy vicars talking.
Anyway, I'm a chorister, and go to church to sing.
I sing because I'm in love with life - how about you?
-- 
"If England sleeps, shall Ireland dream?" : Se/an macEoin
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From: Adrian.Waterworth@newcastle.ac.uk (Adrian Waterworth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: British constitution: draft FAQ entry.
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:44:30 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Trelford Pinkerton) writes:

>[ Is the power of the Supreme Court to invalidate unconstitutional 
> laws written in the Constitution or not ? ]

>From: ecsv24@castle.ed.ac.uk (J Bradfield)
>[no, it isn't]

>The phrase in question does have more than one reading.

>Your reading would be a correct one, except that the Supreme Court decided
>on the interpretation I gave, 6 years (not some decades, I was wrong about
>that) after the Constitution was adopted.   The lower courts had adopted
>the reading I suggested even earlier.

	As Holmes might say, "Aha!"

	Note the statements

	"...the Supreme Court decided on the interpretation I gave..."
		^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	and

	"...The lower courts had adopted the reading..."
		^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	This would tend to suggest that the power to overturn laws as
being non-constitutional is not, in fact, explicitly written in the
American Constitution, but that there are Sections of and/or Amendments
to that Constitution which can be interpreted in such a way as to allow
a Court of Law to take such a task upon itself, should it feel like
doing so.

	This is, of course, not necessarily a bad thing, however it is
far from being the boldly written express statement which the adherents
of the infamous "American Constitution is the only real one in the
World because it allows laws to be declared non-constitutional" school
of thought are so often fond of touting.

	Basically, the question that I would put to you now is, "What
if the courts had _not_ decided to adopt such an interpretation?" Would
the principle involved still be such a glowing and (as you would seem
to hold) fundamental component of the American Constitution? If not,
then how could it be claimed that the Constitution embodied such a
principle in the first place?

	I believe, Mr. 'Pinkerton', that one might almost say that
you have been hoist by your own petard.

	Of course, whether your Constitution is written on paper, in
stone, or in hundreds of years of Parliamentary Act and legal precedent,
the important question at the end of the day is still "Quis custodiet
ipsos custodes?" is it not?

				Ade.
				  (being serious for a change)

		\----------------------------------------/
		 |  Adrian.Waterworth@newcastle.ac.uk	|
		/ ---------------------------------------\
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Fish and chips
Date: 18 Nov 92 10:03:17 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: tony@nexus.yorku.ca (Anthony Wallis)
>ps. Did yer ge? any mal? vinegar fer yer chips !
>              ^        ^
>              glo??al stops

"Malt" should be pronounced "mow?" - the l is dark.

In any case, it's not malt vinegar that's put on chips, but
"non-brewed condiment" for that real chip-shop taste.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:16110 soc.culture.canada:8640 sci.research.careers:1467
From: mwc@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Matthew Crocker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada,sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: Canadian free speech in action
Date: 19 Nov 92 10:40:52 GMT
Reply-To: mwc@aifh.ed.ac.uk
Organization: Dept of AI, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <18NOV199218175442@sscvx1.ssc.gov>, godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov
(LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
# In article <Bxxr67.Lws@DMI.USherb.CA>, turgd00@DMI.USherb.CA (DAVID TURGEON)
writes...
# >In article <18NOV199212445009@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov
(LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
# >BLABLABLA>(...)
# >>It seems that rather than endure my complaints about
# >>their awful and intensely boring country, ...
# > 
# >>So much for free speech in God's own country!  Anway, their attempt has
failed
# >                            _:_ 
# >                  Sorry Mr. GODfrey, didn't think you where so pretencious
# 
# It's pretentious chum, and you're using it out of context in addition to
# spelling it wrongly.

No worse than your spelling of 'anyway' (or was it Amway) in the previous line
-- and it has fewer letters too!

# >I'm sure you can SUCKUP to someone somewhere ...
# > 
# Is this level of maturity characteristic of Canadian net users?  

What's the matter Larry -- don't you want to endure our complaints about your
awful and intensely boring personality?

Matt
From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: Windsor Castle
Organization: Vonnegut Tent Rentals, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 19:20:23 GMT

M Holmes (fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk) wrote:
> barba@patty.gud.siemens.co.at (Barbara Nowak-Teufl) writes:
> 
> [...re the Fall of the House of Windsor....]
> 
> >My question to the british netters: 
> >Do you all agree in paying for the Queen's private possess from your taxes?
> 
> Nope. Definitely not. 
> 
> Is there a British Taxpayers Union? Anyone want to start one?
>
There are Leagues of Long-Suffering Ratepayers etc.  The most significant
anti-tax action is the one that I and so many others from the Septic Isle
have taken.  And we ain't going back!
 
> >P.S.: I personnally would agree in paying for the restitution of the 
> >      representation hall because it is used for official reasons in the
> >      States interest (Banquettes for foreign Statesmen etc.).
> 
> The Queen could charge the State for using it. I'd suggest she charge
> enough to pay her own insurance costs. That way we could decide between
> that place and others depending on the actual price.
>
Why bother?  The repair costs are about the same as the interest on her
assets.  Let her pay.

 
> 
> I wonder how long it will be before the Church of England will accept
> AI's as Priests...

What makes you think the AI's would settle for the priesthood?  They may
just cut out the middleman and go straight to the top (see "Neuromancer"
et al)

--
||I dreamed I met a Yadallean          |(parody in progress, apologies to
||A most confusing man....             | Tim Rice & Andrew Lloyd Webber)
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||Dave Jones (dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com)|Eastman Kodak Co. Rochester, NY  |
From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Windsor Castle
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:56:16 GMT
Organization: Vonnegut Tent Rentals, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Alan Gibbons (gibbons@chdasic.sps.mot.com) wrote:
> 
> Question:- I have heard some rumors and rumblings here at work this
> morning that there has been a major fire at Windsor Castle - is this
> true, anyone got any more details  ?
> 
> 
It occurred in a chapel at the castle.  Brenda wasn't home but Randy
apparently was in the vicinity, though nowhere near the fire.  There
were lots of flames and smoke, visible from miles away, hordes of
firefighters etc.
Source: NPR.  No damage reports as yet.

--
||I dreamed I met a Yadallean          |(parody in progress, apologies to
||A most confusing man....             | Tim Rice & Andrew Lloyd Webber)
||------------------------------------------------------------------------
||Dave Jones (dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com)|Eastman Kodak Co. Rochester, NY  |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: English English
Organization: Vonnegut Tent Rentals, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 13:59:42 GMT

Chris Cox  W0/G4JEC (chrisc@biggus.moron.vware.mn.org) wrote:
> The company that I previously worked for had an office in Rochester, NY,
> and that was the first place I heard the term used.
> 
> The operator would announce over the tannoy, for example,:-
> 
> 	"Fred Bloggs, you have a call parked on line two..."
> 
> This was an American company, so I always assumed that it was another
> Americanism.
> 
If it was an American company, you can bet they didn't have a tannoy....

(ObClarification: tannoy is a UK nounification of a brand name, the Tannoy
name being proudly displayed on loudspeakers in times gone by.  It came
to mean any public address system.)

--
||I dreamed I met a Yadallean          |(parody in progress, apologies to
||A most confusing man....             | Tim Rice & Andrew Lloyd Webber)
||------------------------------------------------------------------------
||Dave Jones (dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com)|Eastman Kodak Co. Rochester, NY  |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: ambidge@ecf.toronto.edu (Chris Ambidge)
Subject: Re: fish and chips
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:04:00 GMT

In article <By6715.Bp5@fulcrum.co.uk> igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten) writes:
>In article <28525@castle.ed.ac.uk> wex@castle.ed.ac.uk (John Wexler) writes:
>> get a choice of fish when you buy fish and chips.  If you don't get a
>> choice, then the fish will generally be haddock, or possibly cod.  If
>
>Cod is the default in the midlands.  Places which offer an alternative
>will offer haddock.   The third option is plaice.  My local also does

Can you still get cod?  With the closing of the Grand Banks to fishing
for the next two years to allow cod stocks to replenish themselves, it's
almost impossible to get cod hereabouts.

Chris

-- 
Chris Ambidge / ambidge@ecf.toronto.edu / ambidge@ecf.utoronto.ca  
   chemical engineering / university of toronto
   200 college st / toronto ON / M5S 1A4 // 416 978 3106
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
From: andyw@aspen32.cray.com (Andy Warner)
Subject: Re: In your school?
Originator: andyw@aspen32
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 16 Nov 92 11:40:04 CST


In article <15NOV199220230253@sscvx1.ssc.gov>, godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
> In article <1992Nov16.015236.22485@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>, bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross) writes...
> >godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
> >: In article <1992Nov15.151635.11992@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>, bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross) writes...
> >: >godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
> >: >:
> >: >: You're wrong there.  If you look back at newspapers etc. around Feb. 87
> >: >: you'll find that my dispute with the NRC got considerable publicity, also
> >: >: on TV and radio stations.  And I haven't finished with them yet - I have
> >: >: a pending legal action over being excluded from publications by NRC (see
> >: >: New Scientist July 11th, 1992).  Apart from that, I believe I have done
> >: >: a great deal to damage the reputation of Canada in High Energy physics
> >: >: and intend to do a great deal more
> >: > 
> >: >Hell hath no fury like a PhD with a bruised ego.
> >: > 
> >: 
> >: Wrong - my ego is intact.  My fury is the result of injustice.  Hard for
> >: you to grasp that, huh?
> > 
> >Frankly, neither I nor anyone else really gives a toss.
> > 
> 
> Exactly as I claimed - you canadians are simply all arseholes

I don't give a toss either, I may or may not be an arsehole, but
I'm certainly not Canadian.. Sorry to burst your bubble...

-- 
andyw.	N0REN/G1XRL

andyw@aspen.cray.com	Andy Warner, Cray Research, Inc.	(612) 683-5835
From: alti@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Thorsten Altenkirch)
Newsgroups: uk.politics,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Fixed Term Parliaments
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:37:48 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: LFCS, Edinburgh

In article <1992Nov21.234603.8314@aber.ac.uk> tmw9@aber.ac.uk (Thomas Mayne Waddell) writes:

   ...	
   I think that the above form a very good argument for fixed term Parliaments.
   Obviously some balance would have to be built in to cover a position where the
   Government loses its majority in the House(or Houses), but that is not difficult

   The longer we retain our present system the more harm will be done to this 
   country.

   Any comments?

Is there really somebody in favour of this sort of political gambling?
As far as I know Britain is the only European country where the
government decides when to call elections. I always thought this would
be related to the national attitude towards gambling (betting, horse
races, Lloyds ...).
--

 Thorsten Altenkirch         	And there's a hand, my trusty fiere,
 Laboratory for Foundations  	   And gie's a hand o' thine,
 of Computer Science 	      	And we'll tak a right guid-willie waught
 University of Edinburgh     	   For auld lang syne!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.politics
From: potter@movies.enet.dec.com (Alan T Potter)
Subject: Re: The Maastricht vote (was Re: Dog in House of Parliament)
Organisation: VMS Engineering, DEC, Scotland
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:43:18 GMT


gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes...
>zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane) writes:
(but this is a very recent innovation anyway, parliament managed for
>>years without expecting the PM to give reasonably accurate answers to random
>>questions of the top of his/her head.) 
> 
>That's not how Question Time works!  Ministers have notice of the
>questions well in advance, althoug they don't have notice of the
>supplementaries.>--

Well, the minister has advance notice of a question such as 'will the Prime
Minister list his engagements for today?'.  The supplementary can be about
anything at all.  I'd say that Geoff was quite correct in his description.

regards,
/atp

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