HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: marslin@solar.csie.ntu.edu.tw (marslin)
Subject: Re: NTU address
Reply-To: marslin@solar.csie.ntu.edu.tw
Organization: National Taiwan University, Taiwan
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 04:17:55 GMT

LAM TAT FAI (eng10187@nusunix1.nus.sg) wrote:

: Hello,

: Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all of you.

: Sorry to trouble you again. But I would be grateful if anyone of you
: could send me the address (by letter, post office, not e-mail address).
: My friend who is now studying in National Taiwan University has sent me
: a letter with her hostel name and room number, but not any other detail.
: Since I haven't sent a letter to Taiwan before, I would like to know if
: there is any zip code needed and more importantly, I am not sure if NTU
: is in Taipei or any other places.  

: Thanks in advance.

: Please send to : "eng10187@nusunix1.nus.sg"

: Thank you.
: Lam, Allen

You just write the hostel and room number and the postman will know how to
delivery your letter.
PS: NTU is in TATWAN TAIPEI ROOSEVELOT ROAD.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Subject: Re: Is TI so rossy?
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 04:47:26 GMT

In article <C0B4y7.CHt@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>In article <V-c=hsA@engin.umich.edu> echang@engin.umich.edu writes:
>>Reading your articles is like reading stories written by someone from the Mars. Furthermore, it seems to me that Martians are going to conquer the Earth!
>>
>Just want to wake somebody up, want conquer nobody, too much mess.

Do you mean CCP is just bluffing? So Taiwan won't be attacked by China?
Or you are just fooling "stupid" Taiwanese?

-- Chien-Chung Chen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: Eugene.Liu@launchpad.unc.edu (Eugene Liu)
Subject: Re: How I post articles in Chinese
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:50:26 GMT

In article <Bzq1yr.2zM@ulowell.ulowell.edu> nhuang@cs.ulowell.edu (Bill Huang) writes:
>In article <1992Dec20.110835.3569@csie.nctu.edu.tw> chshan@csie.nctu.edu.tw (S. Shann()) writes:
>>    I've posted an article to suggest us should post articles in
>>Chinese, and I received many messages to ask me how to post in 
>>Chinese. That's the way I do:
>>
>>    1. Turn on the power switch of my PC
>>    2. Load ETen chinese system
>             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>i believe many people do not know what this system is, the most important
>question is : where can i get it? (commercial or shareware?)
>
ETen Chinese System is a commercial software, the most popular among other
Chinese Systems.

:E.Liu
--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
From: hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: After Election: Crisis for KMT
Date: 29 Dec 92 19:57:59 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Dec26.070130.16646@mariner.amc.edu.au> lwang@mariner.amc.edu.au (Luo Wang) writes:
>After Election: Crisis for KMT 
>Forwarded by lwang@mariner.amc.edu.au without permition
>Originally forwarded by: Tina Tong <skn1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>
>Source: SCMP, 12/21/1992
> 

A very good analysis on possible KMT power shift deleted.

>By last night, Mr Lee, who is eyeing the presidential election in 1996, had
>                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Is this for sure or just speculation?  I thought Lee said that he wouldn't
run for the second term.  Can somebody clarify this?  Thanks.

Eric
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: bbs.lar@tsoft.net (Larry Greenfield)
Subject: New Year's Card
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 04:28:09 GMT

Just a quick funny note. Got a new year's card from a friend living in 
the PRC the other day... looked at the back of it, and it said MADE IN 
TAIWAN.  Hmmmmmm... :)   (No, she didn't recently go to ROC)
:::::Larry:::::

--
Larry Greenfield (bbs.lar@tsoft.net)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: lws@eembox.ncku.edu.tw (WenHsiang Lin)
Subject: Re: A re-election is supposed to be hold on Hwa-Lian
Organization: National Cheng Kung University
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 22:34:27 GMT
X-Posted-From: sun3.ee.ncku.edu.tw
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Dec24.152049.12820@cbnews.cb.att.com> liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao) writes:

>I heard that late night yesterday, too. The same feeling as you have.
>I never thought this could happen in Taiwan in the 90's until now.

>The question is then: Is it just a special case or the same situation
>also exists somewhere else?

     Since Wei Mu-Chweng, who led Hwang Sin-Je 62 votes in this election, is
the governor of Hwa-Lian City and all the 12 questionable voting places had
the involvements of workers from the goverment of Hwa-Lian City, it is 
likely a special case. For now, we still cannot say Wei had any involvement
in the cheat, but the evidences reflect the possibility.

>738 out of some 40 thousand votes. How many would it be out of some
>9.4 million votes totally? I really hope it's only a special case.

>Nice to see ncku again. I am also from ncku. How is it now? Still much
>more conservative than universities in northern Taiwan in terms of
>politics?

    Our school is still more conservative in politics, but I think the
situation has quite changed. Students are allowed to post anything in the
so-called "the Wall of Democracy", but QUESTIONABLE politicians may still
not be allowed to make public speech here, at least for about half a year
ago. Students pay few attentions to politics here, from my point of view.

>Heng-Hsin

WenHsiang Lin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re:    HATE EACH OTHER ? TIME FOR TIAWAN INDEPENDENCE
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 01:49:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.104529.4188@vax.cns.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
>
>	** Nice argument, YC. But not good enough.
>
>	   The problem is: nobody can be educated enough to see through
>	   everything. The smartest guy can also be cheated easily. 
>	   Most populations are not well educated and informed. That
>	   is why Confucius said: Min2 Ker3 S3 You2 Tz1 (people can be
>	   made obey). People can NEVER be educated well enough to 
>	   understand what are politicians doing and saying.

Hmmm.  If no one can be educated enough to see through everything, then how
can you trust politicians to run everything for the people?  Better yet, *even*
if they can see everything, are they going to run everything to the benefit
of the people, or of themselves?  Even the best emperors in Chinese history
(e. g., Li3 Shi4 Min2, Liu2 Shiu4, etc.) had their faults, and were definitely
not free of selfishness.
>
>	   Nobody can tell if a thing is really black, white or gray. 
>	   However, all educated people can mess around and try to
>	   change the color of things.

That is why we need all of their voices, so that the people can decide.  If
you have only one, then you don't have a choice.
>
>	   That is why "Freedom of Speech" is not necessary good. If
>	   we have Evil dominates one society, that is too bad. If we
>	   have Saint dominates another society, Amen.

But how often do you get saints, anyway?  Again, even the best emperors/
dictators have their faults.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: npchen@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Nien-Po Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Excellence, Made in Taiwan
Date: 31 Dec 92 21:35:00 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

I guess this ad is just one of the series of advertising Taiwan.  Why I guess
so?  Because I heard another 'ad-song' on the Chong1 Guang3's broadcast 
yesterday (12/31/92), made by Wu3, Ssi1 Kai3 and our Olympic BaseBall Team--
Wo3 Jen1 De Hen3 Bu2 Tsuo4 (I'm really outstanding!)  Their goal, according to
the broadcast, is to sell out the idea 'Made-In-Taiwan is the symbol of high
quality.'  They are going to play this song at Taiwan's booth in any world Expo.
 
Happy New Year!

Chen, Nien-Po           npchen@physics.purdue.edu
12/31/92

P.S.    If anyone is interested in receiving the SW broadcast from Chong1
        Guang3 (identical programs with those in Taiwan during Taiwan AM 6:00 to
        AM 9:00), E-mail me and then I'll give you more information.
From: z_ablesrl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Import/Export research
Date: 29 Dec 92 00:51:11 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Hello all,

	We are doing research on various items that international countries
would be interested in exporting and importing.  The items can consist of
anything from clothing to large machines.  Of course, they must be a legal
product to enter and exit the different countries.  These are some questions 
that we are trying to find the answers to:
 
1.) How would we gather information concerning the legal regulations on
	shipping to or from Taiwan? 

2.) Who would an individual contact in that country about shipping
	requirements?  

3.) What kind of licences or paper work does a company need to enter
	that foreign market place?


I really would appreciate any help concerning this matter.  Thank you very
much for your time and hope to hear from you soon.




Sincerely,


Ron Ables

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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 31 Dec 1992 14:44:22 EST
From: Robert Pan <IO11043@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: n
 <1992Dec31.175203.3199@cbnews.cb.att.com>

In article <1992Dec31.175203.3199@cbnews.cb.att.com>, liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com
(Heng-Hsin Liao) says:
>
>Another important thing is "Is Shi a special case among Chinese or
>he/she represents one of the China's view of Taiwan?" I would say
>the latter is quite possible. The fact is we are dealing with a country
>that some (or most?) of whose people never respect Taiwan.
>
>Will we become second class citizen after unification? Do China respect
>Hong Kong? To me, they treat it like "yet another colony" at least now.
>
>Heng-Hsin
>

IMHO, if you ask most people in the mainland about the TI or unification
the answer most likely would be the latter. There's no much diversity on
whether we should unify or let Taiwan be independent. But surely there
is increasing concern on how to approach the unification.

Since the mainland and Taiwan had separated so many years, the worst
thing is we were educated in very different backgrounds, there's no
much understanding among us until a couple of years ago. I remembered
once our teacher at elementary school told us that there's a worker
who owed several thousand yuans, I really felt so sad about that man
because back to 70s it's a huge number to me. So everyone would agree
that we have to liberate Taiwan to save our brothers and sisters.

By recent contact between two sides, obviously we have learned a lot
from each other. By increasing more and more businesses and exchange
of information, I believe that it's good for us and therefore enhance
our further understanding and let it develop in a healthy way.

Most netters have a deep concern about how CCP would treat Taiwan.
I would say more important factor is people. If most people disagree
to use force to achieve the unification, there should be some weight
in the balance of decision-making. And further thinking, CCP wouldn't
rule China forever, we all have chance to live in a better life
without fearing the communism. Apparently, the mainland is making
progress into a market-oriented economy that eventually will lead to
get rid of totalitarian, so we will have a better atmosphere to
discuss our relation in the near future.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Election in Taiwan
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:23:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.124305.5042@zip.eecs.umich.edu> joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen) writes:
>In article <BzLFvo.B4A@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec21.013757.24309@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>>>What is alarming (for the KMT, that is) is that for the first time ever, the
>>>DPP got more than 50% vote in several districts/counties/municipalities.
>>>In the northern district of Taipei, for example, the DPP carried a majority.
>>>The only seat in Chiayi also went to DPP.
>>If it is that dangerously close to TI(if DDP win). Why in the hell KMT is still
>>reluctant to have direct dialog with CCP?
>
>Because KMT will not sacrifice Taiwan's people to CCP for whatever reason.
>I don't prefer TI. But the least thing I would like to see is Taiwan's
>people being ruled by CCP.
I have been living under CCP most of my life. I have relatives both CCP amd KMT
member. Outsider world can hardly have a realistic view on CCP, should I 
evaluate CCP? No. It is almost like talking about the meaning of life, 
meaning of universe, existane of god. Both of the oposite sides can offer
a big loundry lists of the good and the bad.
>
>>KMT may have to bear full responsibility if DDP win in the future for missing 
>>the opertunity for unification. bloodshed will be certainly the outcome for TI,
>>sooner or later.
>
>You don't know much about democracy, do you?
I need no lecture on populous concept! I am a self-trained political scientists
given the level of political understanding among the netters.
>
>-- Chien-Chung Chen


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao)
Subject: Re: more than 50% support TI
Organization: AT&T Bell Lab
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:08:20 GMT

From article <1992Dec31.213544.28453@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, by joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen):
> 
> If your prediction about China's splitting is correct, then why don't
> we keep "status quo" and wait a little longer? When China splits into
> several parts, the risk of war that Taiwan takes in declaring independence
> will be much smaller. :)
> 

The problem is nobody know when it is going to happen.

> China is changing rapidly now. I don't know whether China's democracy will
> come or not. Before we turn our back to China, why don't we wait a little
> longer and give it a chance? The wait may be worthwhile. At least, we don't
> have to face immediate hostility from China now.
> 
> -- Chien-Chung Chen

We do need some time to evaluate independence/unification while we are
"waiting." In your opinion, is there deadline for the waiting?

Heng-Hsin

Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:16411 soc.culture.china:33295
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: RMB's value.--Re: The depreciation of RMB
Date: 21 Dec 1992 18:06:20 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <92354.142017SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu> SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>
>>It may go down 10:1 against the US dollar soon!
>>If you have held RMB, take action to change the money now
>>before it is too late!
>>
>  This is a down turn of RMB and my prediction of free change rate will
> be around 7.8-8.5 sometime next year. After that RMB will slowly get back in
> the next few years.

The money is in your pocket. If people insist that RMB has its market value,
don't cry when it is badly depreciated. It was 1:5.6 in September, now it
is 1:7.X based on the lattest information. It is CCP's policy to depreciated
the RMB so that the trade will be promoted faster.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Subject: Re: Election in Taiwan
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:45:36 GMT

>>afraid of bloodshed ? If so, I don't think you can even have a child.
>>Besides, who can guarantee that there won't be bloodshed if KMT united with
>>CCP ? In fact, there may be lot more bloodshed if CCP come to Taiwan.
>>So, man, forget about CCP, its history in Taiwan.
>>
>>Yi-Chieh
>You are not going to get TI. We not only do not give dawm about you TIers, 
>also your foreign master on the Taiwan issue.
>Jiang Zhe Ming warned if TI, china will take "resolute measure."(Duan4 Ran2
>Chuo4 Si1).
>I was even supurised by the phrases used. You may be Chinese enough to know to
>meaning of the wording.
>

Warlord shall be and will be punished/eliminated eventually, history said
so. In modern year, the punishment may come much fast, say one month,
remind me the Gulf war.

Yi-Chieh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu)
Subject: Re: World Journal
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:50:35 GMT

In article <BzouAx.5CA@news.iastate.edu> wwang@iastate.edu (Wen-Ping Wang) writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.181830.26904@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu) writes:
> .................
>>
>>Before 1/1/92, I would say "China Times Weekly" was the most readable
>>publication for Taiwanese.  By readable I mean not much mental 
>>correction is required.
>
>What about the weekly magazine 'The Journalist', and the weekly
>newspaper 'The Independence Weekly Post' ? IMHO, they are the 'most' (
>quote here means it is a relative term ) objective and professional
>publications on Taiwan's news.
>
>W.P. Wang
>

Personally, I agree.  Whenever I got confused by WJ, I take a 
The Journalist and I would be fine the next morning.  However,
there are a group of people who are allergic to The Journalist;
the true (let's just assume it is) The Journalist trying to 
present will never get to these people.  I found CTW was mild
enough that most people can read it regardless their political
religion.

I have never had the chance to read The Independence Weekly Post.
Care to talk about it?  How about telling us something that is
not in WJ?  Some in Taiwan accused that United Daily is the 
speaker (RD?) for CCP and WJ didn't mention about it at all.  
What did TIWP say on this one?

Eric
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Question about ROC's government structure
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:15:07 GMT

In article 2Exw@austin.ibm.com, tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee) writes:
>|In article <1992Dec21.173212.22250@ee.gatech.edu> wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu writes:
>|>Executive
>|>Judicial
>|>Legislative
>|>Examination-Civil service exams
>|>Investigative-Check up on everyone
>|>
>|
>|The last phrase of the last item is totally untrue. I hope you can find
>|a better explanation if you got time. IMHO, the duty for that item is to
>|monitor the ethics of the *government* officials, not including the general
>|public. That duty is performed by a branch of the executive office.
>|
>|>
>|>********************************************************************
>|>*Peter Wung			Email:wung@ee.gatech.edu	   * 
>|>*Electric Power Laboratory	Snail mail: 33787 Ga. Tech Station * 
>|>*School of Electrical Engineering	    Atlanta, GA 30332      *
>|>*Georgia Institute of Technology			    	   *
>|>*Atlanta, Georgia						   *
>|>*   	"Pass, Set, CRUSH!"...					   * 
>|>*  	Well, 2 out of 3 ain't bad for a short, fat guy. 	   *
>|>*								   *
>|>********************************************************************
>|>
>|
>|
>|-- 
>|/* The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.         *\
>| * Take care and have a nice day.                                            *
>|\* Ty Lee                                                                    */


OOps, my bad, I was in a hurry, so I assumed that it was clear.  
Sorry.  The purpose IS to check up on government officials.


********************************************************************
*Peter Wung			Email:wung@ee.gatech.edu	   * 
*Electric Power Laboratory	Snail mail: 33787 Ga. Tech Station * 
*School of Electrical Engineering	    Atlanta, GA 30332      *
*Georgia Institute of Technology			    	   *
*Atlanta, Georgia						   *
*   	"Pass, Set, CRUSH!"...					   * 
*  	Well, 2 out of 3 ain't bad for a short, fat guy. 	   *
*								   *
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Subject: Re: more than 50% support TI
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:12:45 GMT

In article <fva=kY@engin.umich.edu> echang@engin.umich.edu writes:
>	Very few TIers want to declear immediate independence, TI can
>be done in a prudent way just like your suggestion that unification can 
>be done in a prudent way.  The key is to prepare for it and let the people
>decide what we should do.

Quite a few TIers want to declare TI as soon as possible. However,
I like your approach.

>> >Whether someone can introduce a better reason and a better way?
>> 
>> Unification. :)  (Unification is a form of cooperation.)
>> But only after China becomes a democratic country.
>> 
>	When? 

Why should I know? I'm no Mr. See Far. :)

>	If China becomes a democratic country, we should also compare 
>the benifits of choosing TI or choosing unification.  The key is always to
>put all options available in front of people of Taiwan and let them decide
>what to do next.

Agree.

-- Chien-Chung Chen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: applying graduate school
From: tsen+@cs.cmu.edu (Chung Kang Tsen)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 18:04:01 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: tsen0001@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: telnet site
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: ca
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 06:06:26 GMT

In article <2B43D2BE.27057@news.service.uci.edu> eaeg231@orion.oac.uci.edu (Randy K. Tang) writes:
>In article <8996@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> mlin@mott.seas.ucla.edu (Mark Y. Lin) writes:
>>
>>  Can anyone give me a telnet site in Orange County?
>>   I have a modem and I am looking for a site where
>>   I can telnet to my UCLA class acount......
>>
>Hi:
>Try UCI, one of UCLA's sister school? 
>The numbers for 2400bd are 856-5661 and 856-5671. I think you either have to 
>have an account or you'll have to know how to do SLIP, or, use your friend's
>account like me.
>Have a nice day.
>Roger.
>
There is a program SLIPDIAL.ZIP at boombox.micro.umn.edu ftp site.  The
program is supposed to handle SLIP for you if you a novice to SLIP.
The directory is /pub/slipdial
I think there is also a SLIPDIAL program there for Mac machines...

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