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From: delman@mipg.upenn.edu (Delman Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.periphs.scsi,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: How to set SCSI device number on a Sun3 hard disk shoebox?
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:04:24 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Distribution: comp
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, USA.

Just got two 2nd hand Sun3 shoeboxes. Each contains a Micropolis 1325
(71MB,MFM) drive and an Adaptec MFM-to-SCSI converter [Got this info
from last posting to the net, thank you!]. 

I am going to install them on my PC with a SCSI controller card, which
is coming. The questions I have are: 

-How can I set the SCSI device number for the drives?
-Do I have to do it by some jumper settings on the Adaptec card? I don't
 have the documentation for the card:(
-Or will the first drive on the daisy chain be device number 1, and so
 on? 

Any info and suggestions are welcome. Maybe a telephone number for
Adaptec? PLEASE REPLY BY EMAIL IF YOU CAN.

Thanks in advance.

Delman.



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: mills@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Gary Mills)
Subject: Re: Sun SCSI device driver is crap!
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:53:25 GMT

In <1992Nov18.230814.28018@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> sbeland@nrao.edu (Stephane Beland,,,) writes:


>I'm using an HP 1/2 inch 88780 tape drive on a Sun. The major problem 
>i've seen so far is the inability to read a tape past a bad spot.

There is a patch, 100693-01, which might help.  The synopsis says:
4.1.2: Incorrect tape positioning after EOM ictl() on scsi REEL tape drives.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: rogerg@bluemoon.use.com (Roger Grywalski)
Subject: Using an HP monitor on a Sun
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 09:13:24 EST

Is it possible to use an HP98785A color monitor with a a Sun3/260?  If
so how?  Thanks...

 This is from
     rogerg@bluemoon.use.com
who doesn't have his (or her) own obnoxious signature yet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: SPARCclassic and memory
From: mark@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Mark Davies)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:04:01 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.


Can anyone tell me what sort of SIMM's the SPARCclassic takes?  Same as the
IPX or the SS10 or what?

cheers
mark
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Sun Monitor options
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:05:10 GMT

In article <41183@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ma90fau@imath1.ucsd.edu (ma90fau) writes:
>I am somehow confused by Suns midrange color option.  If you own a
>Sparcstation LX, what difference does it make between the midrange
>and regular?

The refresh rate at on the less expensive model at 1152x900 is 66hz or so
rather than 72.

>The midrange monitor can display 1152x900 right?

Yup.

>I have never actually see a midrange 16 color monitor before, who
>makes those monitors?  Is it a flat screen monitor?

Sony.  It's essentially a repackaging of the Sony multi-scan PC
monitor.  It's also a Trinitron--it's got those two faint wires
holding the shadow mask.  I love it, and would be hard pressed
to spend more $$$ for the more expensive 16" model, also by Sony.
The screen is pretty darn flat.

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Xref: sparky comp.sys.sun.hardware:5645 rec.audio.pro:2334
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,rec.audio.pro
Subject: Re: Audio-capable, computer-interfaced DAT drives? [Summary]
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:23:52 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <mabbot.13.721466946@stel.csir.co.za> mabbot@stel.csir.co.za (Mike Abbot) writes:

| Perhaps a glimmer of hope.
| 
| >1.  In general, DAT back-up devices cannot handle audio.  Technically,
| >    the reason is that computer data on a DAT has extra levels of
| >    error-correction relative to audio data, and most drives refuse
| >    to read tapes without data-type error correction, and will only
| >    write tapes with enough error-correction for data.  Legally, the
| >    reason is that the suppliers of DAT back-up devices do not want to
| >    tangle with record companies' lawyers.
| 
| I was recently browsing through the programming manual of a WANGDAT 3200 and 
| I noticed that it *is* possible to switch off the data-type error 
| correction (Wang call it C3 ECC as opposed to the audio-type ECC, C1 and 
| C2.) via a mode setup command to the drive.
| 
| I have not tried it, and I don't have much hope for its success, but anyway 
| it might be of interest to you.  Perhaps you can contact the WANGDAT 
| technical guys and see what they have to say.

Unless this does a lot more than just turn off C3 ECC, it isn't going to
do you much good, speaking from a lot of experience with making the
audio over SCSI work with the Ardat drive.

You could always buy one of our drives and install it on the Sun.  After
that, it is just a small ;) amount of effort in writing a driver.

Ardat keeps saying that they plan to release the drive that we buy to
the general public someday (its really just different firmware, the
hardware is stock).  So perhaps you should pester your Ardat sales
folks to see if they will sell you a drive with the SGI firmware (and
perhaps more importantly, the documentation on the audio features).

Of course, with Archive (Ardat's parent) being bought by Conner, things
are probably a bit confused down there at the moment...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: paulr@fulcrum.oz.au (Paul Rosham)
Subject: Re: Is Sparc out of Gas?
Organization: The Fulcrum Consulting Group
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:10:28 GMT

pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov) writes:

>   If this is true, then SUN is having VERY serious problems with its compilers
>   and implementation techniques.  Comparing the latest announcements:

>     System   # processors   SPECrate_int92  SPECrate_fp92  Availability

>   SUN 2000        8             8047           10,600       April, 93

>   DEC 10000       4             9108           17,187       Jan/Feb, 93

What is SPARC - a CPU architecture
What is ALPHA - the same
What is a SPARCcenter 2000 - a computer system with 20 MBus slots for
				processor modules of 1 or more CPUs
What is the DEC 10000 - similar, I guess

Why are you comparing 40 MHz CPU's to 100 MHz CPUs as a measure of
architecture performance. Why didn't you also include cost along with
expandability. Why doesn't this move to comp.arch where is really belongs,
and has probably made it into an FAQ?

-PaulR.
From: lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Is Sparc out of Gas?
Date: 15 Nov 92 13:16:52 GMT
Organization: cic

ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes:

>DEC _is_ in an incredible mess on OS -- trying to work with Unix,
>vmess and notthere.                                         ^^^^

You mean Ulcerix, or Adulterix?
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From: elie@sensors.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Leasing a Sparc ?
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:02:57 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


I will be needing a sparcstation 1 or 2 for 6-8 months or so,
I'd like to know if there are any places I can lease such things ?
(I'll be moving to San Francisco area in a few days)
Thanks,
Elie.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: pcp2g@karma.astro.Virginia.EDU (Gilligan)
Subject: Re: SOLARIS question
Keywords: Sparc LX
Reply-To: pcp2g@karma.astro.Virginia.EDU (Gilligan)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:28:38 GMT

A couple of days ago, I wrote:

So: can I install the old (OS 4.1) operating system on the new 

Thanks to everyone that answered (if it's an indicator of 
how much business SUN does, they're doing fine!).

The answer is no, it cannot run the old OS. Now, if we can
just make Solaris run our old binaries......
From: exujuyu@exu.ericsson.se (Junwen Yuan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: SPARCClassic
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:37:46 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article <1992Nov18.221139.17609@ncsu.edu> mackinto@stat.ncsu.edu (Ian Mackintosh) writes:
>
>
>I have seen several references here to these being the educational
>discounts on the Classic.  ...
>
>Does anyone have any contacts at Sun who can vouch for these prices.
>Is it possible that the 20% discount is on a per school basis and
>not a blanket deal?
>
>

You don't get any educational discounts on the SPARCClassic.
But, you do get normal educational discounts on the SPARCstation LX,
which is around 40%.
BTW, I haven't seen the SPARCstation LX yet, does it come
with the IPC-like "shoe box" or SS2-like "pizza box"?

Regards,
--Junwen
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: pete@lynx.spa.umn.edu (Pete Thurmes)
Subject: Sparc 10's are 10BASE-T
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:39:59 GMT

A word of caution when ordering a Sparcstation 10:

Sun is now shipping the Sparc 10's, but when I received mine I found out
that Sun has apparently departed from their old standard of putting
thickwire Ethernet ports on all their workstations. The Sparc 10 comes
with twisted pair, standard! To connect thickwire, you need (surprise!)
a $60 adaptor cable that turns the audio (AUI) port into a dual port
(audio and thickwire Enet). Pretty bogus, huh?

So be sure to budget an additional $60 (and order it *with* your box,
or you'll wait 5 days for Sun"Express") if you don't use 10BASE-T (i.e.
if your Sun is not a PC server).

Just another example of expensive corporate silliness.
From: alawa@gna.axis-design.fr (Allaoua Bouabdallah)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Maxtor XT-8760E  --- MD21/S2 ---> Sun3/80
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:28:05 GMT
Organization: GNA c/o Axis Design 119 rue de Flandre, 75019 Paris, France



 Does anyone got a Maxtor XT-8760E works through an MD21/S2 controller ?

 Thank's for any help on the use and the limites of this kind of shoes box.

-Alawa
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: rsutton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Roy A Sutton)
Subject: SCSI II and SCSI I devices on the save BUS?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:26:40 GMT

Situation: The is a SCSI I tape drive and a SCSI II tape
drive. I wish to connect them to the same bus so that
I can copy data from one drive to the other (Yes they
are completely different formats).

More information: The SCSI II drive is connected to a SS2
and is a 150 1/4 tape. The second tape drive is a 60
streaming (cassette drive used my many mac users) tape
SCSI I subsystem.

QUESTION: Can I connect the drives (different devices
of course) to the SS2 so that I can xfer data from
one drive to the other?

AGAIN: Can the SS2 simultaneously support both SCSI II
and SCSI I devices?

Thanks in advance,

(If you post, please also drop me a little email to
prompt me to look for the reply in the group).

Roy Sutton
From: rhino@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Rhino Project)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: New Sun offerings...The Classic....
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:24:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve Univ. Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: nomad.eeap.cwru.edu

I noticed that sun released some news stuff this last tuesday. For
me the Classic looked like a very good possibility. Could someone
send me the pricing in for a color system and how many mips it does.
Also does it support ISDN and how would it compare to a SS10/30?
Thanks...I'm now monitoring this newsgroup if you would rather post
a reply....thanks again for all your help guys....
CW

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.periphs.scsi
From: mrd@morsel.stdavids.picker.com (Michael DeCorte)
Subject: Re: Problems with Fast SCSI-II on Sun Sparc 10 (long)
Organization: Picker International, St. Davids
	<MRD.92Nov13160506@morsel.stdavids.picker.com>
	<1992Nov15.121008.12717@pt.com> <37088@cbmvax.commodore.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:15:54 GMT

In article <37088@cbmvax.commodore.com> jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com (Randell Jesup) writes:

>  How expensive should a 3-line FPT be?  (In parts, not neccesarily
>pre-built.)  

Actually I don't know how much it costs in any form other than
prebuilt packs because that is all I am interested in.  The prices are
either the same or oddly cheaper than the prices I've gotten for
passive terminator packs.  But I never tried very hard to look
for good pricing for passive because I was having way to many
problems.  Figure $25-50 depending on who you buy it from and
the packaging type.


>Isn't there an issue with FPT perhaps drawing too much current
>for the SCSI spec?

Well.... yes and no.  There are some politics going on in the SCSI
groups which you can look into.  Here's the deal.  Go look at your
scsi spec.  Section 4.4.1 paragraph 2 subparagraph c.  So you don't
have to go dig up your manual here it is:

       (c) The current available to any signal line driver shall not exceed 
    48 milliamps when the driver asserts the line and pulls it to 0.5 volts dc.  
    Only 44.8 mA of this current shall be available from the two terminators.

Now the FPT terminator obeys this paragraph exactly.  What some people
object to is that BELOW 0.5 volts the FPT pulls a bit more current.  I
don't know how much (those docs are 500 miles away so...).

You can't put one inside your sparcstation easily.  You definitely
need an soldering iron to do so.  So you will have to settle with one
and use it externally.  That will work ok iff you are VERY good about
your cables.  Shield everything.  Don't allow stubs.  Keep them short.

Disclaimer: I don't in any way make one penny from saying nice things
about FPT terminators.  I just love em and tell manufacturing to buy
them. There is one on each machine we ship.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.periphs.scsi
From: cone@controls.ccd.harris.com (Tom Cone)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Sparc 10's are 10BASE-T
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:04:07 GMT
Organization: Harris Controls and Composition

In article <1992Nov19.211710.18256@ntmtv> harthc@ntmtv.UUCP (Howard Hart) writes:
>In article <jstewart.722147880@cunews>, jstewart@alfred.carleton.ca (John Stewart) writes:
>|> In <1992Nov19.003959.6608@news2.cis.umn.edu> pete@lynx.spa.umn.edu (Pete Thurmes) writes:
>|> 
>|> >A word of caution when ordering a Sparcstation 10:
>|> 
>|> >Sun is now shipping the Sparc 10's, but when I received mine I found out
>|> 
>|> I was overjoyed to see that the Sparc 10 has a 10Base-T port.  We only
>|> provide 10Base-T connections to our campus ethernet so this actually
>|> saves us the cost of a 10Base-T transceiver.
>|> 
>|> Sun should be congradulated for this far sighted decision.
>
>Congratulations are only in order when the vendor forewarns you. Sun
>didn't and as far as I know still doesn't tell any customers about
>the 10Base-T only connection (unless you specifically ask them). 
>When you work for a mid-to-large size company, that equates to a 1 
>month+ wait for additional adapter hardware P.O.s to go through 
>(while the computer sits idle on a desktop). As far as I'm concerned,
>Sun blew it big time on this one. I like 10Base-T, I think it's a
>good move, but next time (Sun, are you listening?) it'd be nice to
>know enough ahead of time to order the extra hardware.
>
>
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SUN must have figured out a way to get more money from us. Oh ofcourse
we support AUI. Then later you find out you have to pay more to do it.
It must be cheaper(I know it is) for them to build. We ran mostly Thin-
net here for offices. Then they stick you.
THANKS A LOT SUN.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: ohumukin@spectra.com (Kawika Ohumukini)
Subject: Sun Classic as a Voice Information Server over PBX
Organization: Spectragraphics Corporation
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 19:33:08 GMT

Hi,

I am new to using computers as voice mail and information services
so bare with me.
I have a PC '386 that runs as a voice mail server and information
service in my home and I want to expand.  I can get the next 
model up of my board which allows 4 lines (up to 24 with additional
boards) and software.

Does the SPARCstation have telephone interface board and software
capable of handling multiple lines (at least 12)?

Specifically I am looking at the new Classic and LX just announced
as viable options.  I will need at least 1 Gigabyte disk and ability
to expand to 4 Gig.

Please Email me any information or thoughts on this subject or
refer me to books/publications/seminars on this subject.

Cheers,
Kawika

PS: This is a free information service provided to the San Diego
area.
From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: SPARCClassic (and other Sun announcments)
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:31:56 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>My guess is that the cache on the clasic is either larger or smarter
>then the SS2...

Larger?  I doubt it.  The SS2 has a 64KB unified cache; microSPARC has a
4K I-cache and a 2K D-cache, so unless they've stuck an external cache
on the microSPARC machines (which seems unlikely; I don't think they did
so), the cache is smaller, not larger.

Smarter?  Maybe, although its smarts would have to compensate for the
smaller size.  Then again, the microSPARC cache may be big enough for
Dhrystone, so that the smaller size doesn't hurt....

> or the compiler got alot smarter and the SS2 numbers are old...

"Smarter" on Dhrystone would presumably be enough; note that the SPEC
numbers for the microSPARC machines aren't much different from the
numbers for the SS2.

How many multiplies/divides does Dhrystone do?  MicroSPARC, being a
SPARC Version 8 implementation, has multiply and divide instructions;
if the compiler used to compile Dhrystone generated those instructions,
and they run faster than does the procedure call to the multiply/divide
routines plus the routines themselves, that may explain some of the
speedup.  (Not necessarily all of it, though.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: "David Herron" <david@twg.com>
Subject: System prices (was: Re: SPARCclassic vs. 486 (Was Re: SPARCClassic (and other Sun announcme
Sensitivity: Personal
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:37:48 GMT

> However, I haven't seen Sparc's in my price range(around $2000.00) and
> when I have or thought about going for 3-5K range the software price
> comes into effect!  I'd 10 times rather have a Sparc(or clone that was
> faster than a 486) and 100 times rather have a HP 700 series, but dollars
> are still the limiting factor. 

Yes, but ..

Doesn't bringing the entry price down to ~$4000 make it affordable to
a lot more people than when the entry price was ~$6000?  It is not
affordable to you, granted.  But Sun is going in a slightly different
direction than either DEC or HP with pricing.  Neither HP nor DEC
came in with such a low entry price (HP came closest) so they should have
an harder time in making sales.

> Can
> you get workstations with low end color?  I know a lot of the companies
> offer gray(grey) scale pretty cheap, but I like the color.

The SPARCClassic *is* low end color.  15" monitor at 1024x768 is
low end, or at least is low compared to what sun is accustomed
to selling ;-).


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From: dj@micromuse.co.uk (DJ Walker-Morgan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: SUN Sparc-Compatible Laptops
Date: 19 Nov 92 09:32:37 GMT
Reply-To: dj@micromuse.co.uk
Organization: MicroMuse - The SPARC dudes

In article 146@emr1.emr.ca, craven@cg.emr.ca (Jim Craven) writes:
>In article 20621@twg.com, "David Herron" <david@twg.com> () writes:
>>
>>Can we expect that a TSunami based SPARC laptop is in the works
>>and due out sometime next spring?
>>
>>Seems likely to meeee...

>Sun coming out with a laptop is a natural progression of their shift to
>MIS.   Clone manaufacturers are also likely, perhaps more likely, to
>get in on the deal.  Their problem is, as always, cost. Sun gets the
>chip reasonably cheaply because they helped design it.  The cost for
>clone manufacturers is still $500 per chip I understand.

Err... That's why TI advertise the MicroSPARC cost as $180 in qty?

>And
>development costs to implement Solaris 2.x on that chip will be a tad
>:-) more expensive for cloners then for Sun.

Why? It's already ported......

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