HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mchundat@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu)
Subject: The Psychology of an Acker
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 04:06:57 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

I hope that no one selects this as his/her reasearch topic in
psychology.

Considerable effort has been made by Jose Thekkumthala in
this respect though in my case his conclusions were in total
disagreement with reality. What I am interested in at this time is the
following.

Let us assume in the beginning that an acker is completely anonymous to
any other person on the net. We had several controversial topics in ack;
like dressing, dowry, dating, indian pride, literacy etc. We had several
people for and several against each topic. My question is this: Given the
anonymity associated with net-writing, is it true that any person would
argue for only the side he supports in real life? Or will there be
people who play game on ackers by arguing and fighting for something
which he won't be following in real life?

The question is open to any ackers. Please be aware that you will be
exposing a great extent of your psyche by answering questions like this.
If you are afraid, please do not answer.


Mathai
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: raghavan@eng.auburn.edu (Suresh Raghavan)
Subject: Re: Info on vacation spots in kerala
Reply-To: raghavan@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:29:09 GMT

I would like to know about Kerala's beauty spots which are ideal to visit and spend a few days during December.  Personal experiences if any are most welcome.

Suresh

Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: mchundat@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu)
Subject: Sweet & Old Malayalaganangal
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:12:10 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA


A beautiful duet. Desperately need help to complete it.

Sung by: Yesudas & P. Susheela (I guess)



	vaikkatthashtami naaLil nJaanoru 
	vanchikkaariye kaNdu
	vaakappoomarachOTil ninnappOL
	vaLakilukkam kETu		(m)

	vaLakilukkiya sunDariyannoru
	manthRavaaDiye kanDu
	jaalakkarante peelikkaNNil 
	neelappoovanbu kaNdu
	neelappoovanbu kaNdu		(f)

	vaikkatthashtami naaLil nJaanoru
	vanchikkaariye kaNdu
	vaakappoomaracchOTil ninnappOL
	vaLakilukkam kETu		(m)

	vanchiyil vecchaa maayakkaaran
	mahaRshiyaay chamanJu
	.........			(f)


	....            kshaNicchu
	annu thoTente manassinuLLil
	ashtamikELi thudanGi
	ashtamikELi thudanGi		(m)

	.......

Send even single words you can remember.

Thanks.

Mathai
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara)
Subject: News clip with an inappropriate heading
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:44:19 GMT

I am sure most of you read the following article on misc.news.southasia :

From     : Dinesh Agrawal
Source   : Times of India, November 4, 1992
Country  : India

                           * * * * * * * 

Kerala School Succumbs to Muslim Fundamentalists

Thiruvananatpuram, Nov. 3: St. Joseph Malayalam Medium High School at
Pavaratty near Guruvayoor, will reopen on Wednesday following the management's
acceptance of the demand by a section of the students that they should be
allowed to wear caps in classes.

Though the management thinks that wearing of caps was against the uniform
code of the school, the demand by a few Muslim boys has been accepted because
it did not want the 1700 students to suffer due to the closure of the school
because of the problem.

                             * E N D *

Clearly, allowing Muslim students to wear caps is the right thing to do.
Could we, for instance, insist that a Sikh student not wear a turban?
Therefore, I see nothing in the above article that would suggest that
the school management succumbed to "Muslim Fundamentalists." The heading
is clearly inappropriate. If the management was insular enough not to
allow Muslim students to wear caps, and if they were later persuaded
to make such an allowance, no matter where this persuasion came from,
one can only say that the management corrected its wrong ways.

I smell a rat here. Either the Times of India is attempting to
sensationalize an issue (especially because there is a new fear for
Islamic Fundamentalism rooted in Kerala) that doesn't deserve to be,
or this article was written by an Indian from a certain region of
India...a certain region, most people from which like to look at
the South & claim that it is in shambles (with, in this instance,
the "Muslim Fundamentalists" having a field day).

Mahesh.
From: ross@buphy.bu.edu (John B Ross)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva
Subject: Tuvan languages
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:17:36 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

Hello all!

I am interested in knowing a little about the linguistic topography of
Tuva. Can anyone give me a prospectus on the languages of Tuva and what
grammar books are available?

I have "Spoken Uzbek", "Spoken Uygur", and "Spoken Mongolian" at home --
I'm wondering whether I've touched all bases linguistically.


			-- John Ross


Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva,sci.lang
From: dan@hpwin051.uksr.hp.com (Dan Bennett)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva,sci.lang
Subject: Re: Uighur & language family.
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:42:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpwin052.BxGJq2.EoK
Organization: the HP UK Response Centre
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 (IO81373@MAINE.MAINE.EDU) wrote:
: Would someone please send me the phrase 'I love you' in the languages of
: Mongolia?  I have 76 languages so far and anyone who contributes will
: get a copy of the list.  If you know any other languages that I might
: not have, please send them on.
: Thank you.

Hi,

Here's "I love you" in Mongolian, as far as I know:

    Bi chamd khairtai.

Where "Bi" is like "bee" but shorter,

"chamd" begins with "ch" as in "church", and ends with a "d" which is
hardened to sound like "t", and

"khairtai" begins with "kh" as in "Bach, loch", and the "ai" sound is
about half-way between "a" in "at" and "e" in "end", and the "r" is
short, rolled and unvoiced.

It means literally:  "I (am) with love for you."

Regards,

Dan "I really must get myself a signature file" Bennett.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva,sci.lang
From: alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson)
Subject: Re: Uighur & language family.
Followup-To: alt.culture.tuva
Originator: alderson@leland.Stanford.EDU
Reply-To: alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson)
Organization: Stanford University Academic Information Resources
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 22:05:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.010025.27069@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz>, comjohn@ccu1 (Mr. John T Jensen) writes:

>Weren't the Uighurs speakers of an Indo-European language, specifically
>Iranian, not an Altaic one?  I thought that 'Uighur' was a term for a
>basically liturgical language of some religion (Zoroastrian-related?).  Or
>am I confusing this with something else?

No, the Uighurs are non-Indo-European speakers.

The languages of the Avestas, the sacred texts of the ancient Iranians, are
eastern Iranian dialects, one older than the other and not apparently the
direct ancestor.  Given that the religion was common to the eastern and western
Iranians, this is not surprising.

The two are usually referred to as Avestan, the name having been assigned
before the realization that there were *two* languages represented in the
texts.
-- 
Rich Alderson   'I wish life was not so short,' he thought.  'Languages take
                such a time, and so do all the things one wants to know about.'
                                                        --J. R. R. Tolkien,
alderson@leland.stanford.edu                              _The Lost Road_
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva
Subject: Central Asian republics
From: codish@chen.bgu.ac.il (Shlomi Codish )
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:12:10 GMT
Organization: Ben Gurion University, Beer Sheva, Israel

I am trying to locate an informed source on various aspects
of life in the Asian (former soviet) republics. I would prefer a source on the i
nternet to one I have to call.

Please write to me via e-mail as I normally do not follow this group.

Thanks!!!

Shlomi Codish
codish@chen.bgu.ac.il

Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva
From: fitch@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Don't blame me- I voted for Bill and Opus)
Subject: Please, anyone familiar with Tuvan language, etc, help out!
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 04:27:57 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

	The Russian and East Central European Studies Program at
olorado State University is designing a t-shirt, and we need your
help and assistance.  This is a fundraiser and it will assist us
to provide programs, as we receive no funding from the university.
What is needed is this: can you translate the phrase "RUSSIAN AND
EAST CENTRAL EUROPEAN STUDIES" into Tuvan, Buyat, or any other 
local language?
	You would really be helping us out.  Thank you for your
time and patience.

	Please respond directly to: fitch@lamar.colostate.edu

Sincerely,
Chris Fitch
R.E.C.E.S. Program, CSU

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From: bill@bessel.as.utexas.edu (William H. Jefferys)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva,sci.lang
Subject: Re: Uighur & other scripts.
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:05:06 GMT
Followup-To: alt.culture.tuva
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <Bx6uFs.3tn@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com> dan@hpwin051.uksr.hp.com (Dan Bennett) writes:
#
#As for Tuva, I don't know what script they use. But I should think
#they were Stalinized like everyone else (except Georgia and Armenia, by
#the way).

In _Tuva or Bust_, Leighton describes finding a bilingual
dictionary (Tuvan and ???); the Tuvan side was in Cyrillic.

Bill
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From: qasama@banach.WPI.EDU (John Grossi)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva,sci.lang
Subject: Re: Uighur & language family.
Date: 5 Nov 1992 14:44:26 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Distribution: world
Reply-To: qasama@banach.WPI.EDU (John Grossi)
NNTP-Posting-Host: banach.wpi.edu


In article <1992Nov5.010025.27069@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz>, comjohn@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Mr. John T Jensen) writes:

|>>They are.  They moved there from Mongolia in the mid-9th century
|>>when their Eastern Turkish empire was destroyed by the Kirghiz.
I believe it was the Kwazirim (sp?) that killed the Turkish Empire in the 9th
century.
|>Weren't the Uighurs speakers of an Indo-European language, specifically
|>Iranian, not an Altaic one?  I thought that 'Uighur' was a term for a
|>basically liturgical language of some religion (Zoroastrian-related?).  Or
|>am I confusing this with something else?
The Zoroastrian Religion which replaced and augmented the Magi 
religion was Persian and specifically related to the Empire of Medes and 
Persians. I believe that an early form of Persian was used but I may be wrong.
Zoroaster himself came from the Eastern Satraps of the Persian Empire in the 
area of Soghdiana and may not have spoke Persian as a first language but most
certainly he learned it at some point before going to the Royal Court at Susa.
	I believe that by the time of the Sansids (sp?) Persian was definitely
the language of the Zoroasterian Religion. I seem to remember something about
this in reading about the First Triumverate (Marcus Licinius Crassus and Carrhae 
53BC). The first mention of the Uighur nation I remember as being c. the fall of 
the T'ang Empire.

btw- thanks to whoever fixed the feed to this site...

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Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva
From: rprenafe@dcc.uchile.cl (Rodrigo Prenafeta)
Subject: Re: Tuvan languages
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:52:44 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion
    Estoy de acuerdo contigo
                         Rodrigo
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From: IO81373@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva,sci.lang
Subject: Re: Uighur & language family.
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:43:08 GMT
 <1d8h53INNnuj@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk> <1992Nov5.010025.27069@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz>
Organization: University of Maine System

Would someone please send me the phrase 'I love you' in the languages of
Mongolia?  I have 76 languages so far and anyone who contributes will
get a copy of the list.  If you know any other languages that I might
not have, please send them on.
Thank you.


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Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva,sci.lang
From: alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson)
Subject: Re: Uighur & other scripts.
Followup-To: alt.culture.tuva
Originator: alderson@leland.Stanford.EDU
Reply-To: alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson)
Organization: Stanford University Academic Information Resources
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 19:20:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.143205.22191@prime.mdata.fi>, karttu@mits (Antti Karttunen) writes:
>    Mongolian script traces its origin to ancient Aramaic script
>    via Sogdian <who were they?> and Uighur scripts. It has a pure
>    phonemic system and has an impressive appearance because of
>    the vertical line of each word.

The Sogdians were one of the early Middle Persian groups, Eastern Persian I
believe.  They lived east of the Parthians.
-- 
Rich Alderson   'I wish life was not so short,' he thought.  'Languages take
                such a time, and so do all the things one wants to know about.'
                                                        --J. R. R. Tolkien,
alderson@leland.stanford.edu                              _The Lost Road_
Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva
From: fitch@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Don't blame me- I voted for Bill and Opus)
Subject: Re: Please, anyone familiar with Tuvan language, etc, help out!
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 04:54:38 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

To answer Kerry's two questions: 1.) How to get Cyrillic over the net.
You don't have to, as I am familiar with Latin to Cyrillic transliteration.

The only problems I would have are that there are three Tuvan characters
I am not familiar with.
#1 is a kind of theta looking thing.  Is it a 'th' sound?
#2 is a Cyrillic N with a hook. What the heck is this? (H,)
#3 is a capital Latin Y as opposed to the Cyrillic 'y' for u.  Is this the 
extended 'oo' sound?

2.) Why would I wand Tuva in a study of Russia and East Central Europe?
Well, for the time being, Tuva is still administratively part of the
Russian Republic.  And it is a cultural staple.  What other nation can boast
ho"o"mei, kumys, and Richard Feynman???

Chris Fitch					Born again Tuvan
fitch@lamar.colostate.edu

Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva
From: yackob@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Kerry "You didn't see me!" Mayor)
Subject: Re: Please, anyone familiar with Tuvan language, etc, help out!
Organization: Elect. & Comp. Eng., U of Manitoba - Tuvan Instruments Corp.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:57:18 GMT

fitch@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Don't blame me- I voted for Bill and Opus) writes:
>	The Russian and East Central European Studies Program at
>olorado State University is designing a t-shirt, and we need your
>help and assistance.  This is a fundraiser and it will assist us
>to provide programs, as we receive no funding from the university.
>What is needed is this: can you translate the phrase "RUSSIAN AND
>EAST CENTRAL EUROPEAN STUDIES" into Tuvan, Buyat, or any other 
>local language?
>	You would really be helping us out.  Thank you for your
>time and patience.

This wouldn't really be hard to do, but I have 2 questions
before I dig into my "Tuvan Manual" by Prof John Krueger.
1 - how can I spell something in Cyrillic over the net, on
an English keyboard?
2 - Why in Tuvan, if you're interested in Russia and
"East-Central" Europe?  Why not Ukrainian, Polish,
Rumanian, Hungarian, etc?
--
<yackob@ee.umanitoba.ca>     One likes to believe in the freedom of khoomei.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva
Subject: Re: Uighur & other scripts.
From: comjohn@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Mr. John T Jensen)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:07:36 GMT
 <1992Nov8.143205.22191@prime.mdata.fi> <1992Nov9.192014.4160@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson) writes:

>In article <1992Nov8.143205.22191@prime.mdata.fi>, karttu@mits (Antti Karttunen) writes:
>>    Mongolian script traces its origin to ancient Aramaic script
>>    via Sogdian <who were they?> and Uighur scripts. It has a pure
>>    phonemic system and has an impressive appearance because of
>>    the vertical line of each word.

>The Sogdians were one of the early Middle Persian groups, Eastern Persian I
>believe.  They lived east of the Parthians.

Ah, Sogdian.  THAT is what I was trying to remember when, a couple of weeks
ago, I enquired whether the Uighur script hadn't come from speakers of some
Iranian language.  And as I asked then, wasn't Sogdian actually the name for
a liturgical language (or maybe just a liturgical script), used later by
speakers of an Altaic language?  And what was the religion?  A form of
Zoroastrianism?

jj

John Thayer Jensen                      64 9 373 7599 ext. 7543
Commerce Computer Services              64 9 373 7437 (FAX)
Auckland University                     jt.jensen@aukuni.ac.nz
Private Bag 92019
AUCKLAND
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva
From: fitch@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Don't blame me- I voted for Bill and Opus)
Subject: Ralph Leighton
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 06:21:16 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

I recently got a letter from Ralph Leighton, along with an FoT
newsletter, and am preparing to write him back.  Is he properly 
addressed as Mr. or Dr.?

Thanks,
Chris					Born again Tuvan

Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva
From: yackob@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Kerry "You didn't see me!" Mayor)
Subject: Re: Tuvan languages
Organization: Elect. & Comp. Eng., U of Manitoba - Tuvan Instruments Corp.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:18:13 GMT

ross@buphy.bu.edu (John B Ross) writes:
>I am interested in knowing a little about the linguistic topography of
>Tuva. Can anyone give me a prospectus on the languages of Tuva and what
>grammar books are available?


  I'll go out on a limb here and say that the only languages spoken in
  Tuva are Tuvan and Russian.  The only grammar book I know of is
  Professor John Krueger's "Tuvan Manual".  A photocopied version
   (260 pages) is available from the author for $20, mailed to Mongolia
   Society Publications, Goodbody Hall 321-322, Indiana University,
   Bloomington, IN, 47405-2401.  Of course, Tuvan Hillbilly Robb Wade
   has reported the existence of "How to Speak Tuvan", but it is
   written in Russian.



--
<yackob@ee.umanitoba.ca>     One likes to believe in the freedom of khoomei.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva,sci.lang
From: alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson)
Subject: Re: Uighur & language family.
Followup-To: alt.culture.tuva
Originator: alderson@leland.Stanford.EDU
Reply-To: alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson)
Organization: Stanford University Academic Information Resources
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 22:10:05 GMT

In article <1dbc0aINNgpn@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, qasama@banach (John Grossi) writes:
>The Zoroastrian Religion which replaced and augmented the Magi 
>religion was Persian and specifically related to the Empire of Medes and 
>Persians. I believe that an early form of Persian was used but I may be wrong.
>Zoroaster himself came from the Eastern Satraps of the Persian Empire in the 
>area of Soghdiana and may not have spoke Persian as a first language but most
>certainly he learned it at some point before going to the Royal Court at Susa.

The "Magi religion" *is* that of the Avestas.  What this monotheistic religion
replaced was a polytheistic religion very similar to that of the Hindu Vedas.
In fact, certain of the minor Vedic deities were promoted in the Avestas, while
some of the major deities become Avestan demons.

>	I believe that by the time of the Sansids (sp?) Persian was definitely
>the language of the Zoroasterian Religion. I seem to remember something about
>this in reading about the First Triumverate (Marcus Licinius Crassus and
>Carrhae 53BC). The first mention of the Uighur nation I remember as being c.
>the fall of the T'ang Empire.

Sassanids?

In any case, the western Persians adopted the teachings of an eastern religious
leader.  But like the Vedas, the texts were kept in the original form as far as
possible.
-- 
Rich Alderson   'I wish life was not so short,' he thought.  'Languages take
                such a time, and so do all the things one wants to know about.'
                                                        --J. R. R. Tolkien,
alderson@leland.stanford.edu                              _The Lost Road_
Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka