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From: reb@amc.com (Bob Brunjes)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 357 Semi-Autos (was Re: Top Man Stoppers)
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:31:23 GMT
Organization: Applied Microsystems, Redmond, WA

In article <9208090433.AA18770@unislc.slc.unisys.com> dab@unislc.slc.unisys.com (Delroy Brinkerhoff) writes:
#mcdphx!jleung@enuucp.eas.asu.edu (Jim Leung) writes
## It seems the consensus is that the 357 is the best Man stopper,
## so... Rather than getting a nice revolver in this caliber, are
## there any good semi-auto's out there that are comparable or 
## better in accuracy? 
#
#
#I've been meaning to comment on my new acquisition anyway.  About
#two months ago I purchased a used LAR Grizzly Win Mag Mark I.  It
#came equipped for both .357 (my primary interest) and .45 WM.
#
******good stuff deleted******

Thanks for the first owner-description I've ever heard of the
Grizzly.  This has my interest.
#
#Now a question... The .45 WM kicks like a stung mule.  My brother
#suggested that a pair of shooting gloves might take some of the
#sting out of it.  Any of you use shooting gloves?  Do they help?
#___________
#Delroy A. Brinkerhoff
#unislc.slc.unisys.com

Are there any rubber grips available for this pistol?  From
experience, Pachmayrs can sure tame a bucker and snorter.


Bob Brunjes		Applied Microsystems Corp
			Redmond, WA
			reb@amc.com
From: fcrary%ocf.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Frank Crary)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: What EXACTLY does +P and +P+ mean?
Date: 22 Aug 92 14:55:02 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility

In article <ggawron.20.0@comm.mot.com> ggawron@comm.mot.com (Glenn Gawron) writes:
#Any clarification would be greatly appreciated!

I _think_ "P" indicates a industry standard for barrel pressure. Ammunition
labled "P" will be safe to fire in essentially any modern firearm of the
correct caliber. "P+" inducates the ammunition when fired will exceed
the standard by some amount, and would therefore be both more powerfull
and less safe (e.g. it should only be fired from a well made gun, which 
was designed with P+ pressures in mind.) "+P+" means it exceeds the 
standard by a larger amount. (At least this is my understanding, if I'm
wrong, someone please correct me...)

							 Frank Crary
							 CU Boulder
							 (even though I'm
							 still using my 
							 Berkeley account...)
From: chrisb@wang.com (Chris Bennet)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Black chrome ?
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:11:30 GMT
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA

Are there any finishes that are durable but look like
bluing - black chrome perhaps ?

 Chris

--
Oh I loves to eat them mousies
Them mousies I loves to eat
I bites off they little heads
And nibbles on they little feet

[MODERATOR:  I saw a S&W 686 last week that, while stainless,
had a sweet polished black finish.  Nice looking firearm!  Too
bad this particular version is no longer marketted (though the
686 in regular stainless continues to be available.)]
From: jheath@fieldofdreams.npirs.purdue.edu (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re:  X's on Bullet
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:39:29 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

#From article <1992Aug11.232926.15819@ttinews.tti.com>, by hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath):
# In article <9208070956.AA18295@mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU> C08926RC@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu (Rob) writes:
# 
# }My favorite movie trick - drill out the bullets, put a drop or
# }two of mercury in the cavity, and re-seal it.  I believe this was
# }done in the movie 'The Exterminator.'
# 
# "Day of the Jackal", both book and film.
#

I thought he was using explosive bullets with fulminate of
mercury.  I wondered if it would work.  In Jaws or Jaws II, Roy
Scheider (sp?) put (I think) cyanide in his .357 hollowpoints in
hopes of killing the shark, but, according to the script, they
didn't work ;-{).
 
# }They never did say what advantages this gives....
# 
# It was supposed to make the bullet "explode" on impact -- actually a
# primitive version of the Glaser or MagSafe. (The mercury is supposed to
# splash forward out of the slug and wreak general havoc on the target).
# I've no idea if it would actually work.  Fiction is a poor source of
# factual information on such things (is that a tautology?).  I can see how
# the wound would be a nightmare to treat.  Getting all the mercury out
# would be nearly impossible.
#

I think we went over this before.  Won't the mercury pretty
quickly absorb the lead in the bullet? 
-- 
"Land of song, said the warrior bard,           Jim Heath
Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)
From: burge@qdeck.com (Bill Burge)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Gun Safe
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:07:12 GMT
Organization: Quarterdeck Office Systems, Santa Monica CA

In article <199208181704.AA14433@cherokee.advtech.uswest.com> kdlin@advtech.uswest.com (David Lin) writes:
#Hello gang!
#
#I'm going to purchase a gun safe. I'll appreciate it if anyone can
#answer my questions.
#
#(1) A local gun store told me that a Browning safe is the only way
#    to go and all other brands are not worthwile to get. Is that
#    true? If not, what other brands should I consider?
#

Not true.  Mine is by American Security and I like it a lot.  You have
to keep in mind that a safe can't stop anyone that really wants your stuff.
Well, maybe some can - but that's not the idea of owning a safe.  The idea
is for the guy with the crowbar to see your safe and say "S#$%^#$^ !!, I 
brought the wrong tools.  Hey, I don't even have those tools."  Anyone who
can break even a casual safe is not interested in you 10 or 20 guns.  He'll
hit a distributer.

Bill	burge@qdeck.com
From: jheath@fieldofdreams.npirs.purdue.edu (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Stupid shooter tricks
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:42:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: CERIS.1992Aug19.163142.29053
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University


Something the moderator wrote earlier reminded me of a dumb trick
I remember.

We were having our monthly meeting at our gun club.  I was
sitting near these 2 guys.  One carried a 1911 in condition 3 (?
empty chamber) and the other guy asked to see it.

The guy looking at the gun took out the magazine, checked the
chamber and proceeded to try the trigger out.  He got ready to
give the gun back.  The slide was forward, he put the magazine
back in and then checked to see that the gun was empty by pulling
the slide _all_ the way back.  He then decided to try the trigger
again.  Fortunately, he was pointing the gun into a wastebasket.
That quieted things down real well ;-{).
-- 
"Land of song, said the warrior bard,           Jim Heath
Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)
From: erudnick@pica.army.mil (FSAC-SID)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Top Man Stoppers???
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:42:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: claudius.9208191410.aa24201


Jerry Roe writes:
#Aren't they making the Camp Carbine in .45 ACP now also?  I think I'd
#prefer that over the 9MM.  Pipsqueak round, y'know....{:^)


Absolutely! The nice thing about the .45 over the 9mm is that for the
same stopping power the .45 cartridges weigh more. This gives your arms
a better workout when handling the ammo and loaded weapon, especially
with high capacity magazines. 

Oh, yeah, ---->    :)

As an aside, could a Camp Carbine type firearm be made to shoot something
like the .50 AE; that is, a simple blowback action yet not too heavy?

Was that nifty Ruger .44 Magnum Carbine gas or blowback operated?



Ed Rudnicki     erudnick@pica.army.mil     All disclaimers apply
Protect the Second Amendment - boycott Ruger products
"That's not true," Bill hissed to his lawyer. "The facts are-"
"Don't worry about facts, Bill, no one else here does. Facts can't
alter this case."       -"Bill the Galactic Hero" Harry Harrison
From: mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Recommendations, comments, and/or advice, please!
Date: 15 Aug 92 02:47:44 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


Well, it looks as though I'm going to have a little surplus funding in the
near future, so I came to the immediate and obvious conclusion that I really
should buy another gun.... :-)

	[MODERATOR:  Obviously this poster has had a proper upbringing.....]

While I am considering such things as a 9mm Firestar, a SIG P226, or a
Ruger SP-101 (probably not, but no Ruger flames, please), there are a few
possibilities I'd really like to get more information about.

First, the new Star Megastar....  I saw one for the first time the other 
day, and from what I have seen, I LOVE this .45!  Apparently, it is a
double-action model with 11 or 12 round magazine (I forget which) and
ambidextrous safety.  Has anyone had the opportunity to shoot one yet?
I already have a Star 30M (which I love), and I was wondering if the 
Megastar lives up to the same quality and reliability....  One other
thing, too; what are prices running on these, in general?  (The one I
saw was about $500.)

Also, I have heard a bit about the successor to the Star 30M, namely the
31P/PK (safety replaced by decocker, alloy frame made available).  I'd
really be interested in knowing if anyone has shot one of these in .40
S&W, or if anyone has even actually *seen* one yet (I haven't found any).
Again, I really like what I have seen of Star's quality, accuracy, and
reliability, and I am hoping that it holds true with this model, as well.
Also, has anyone seen prices on these beauties?

Finally, I have also thought about getting an SKS, given all the talk going
around lately.  One question:  exactly what type of ammo does it shoot
(I think somebody said 7.62x39), and what is the going price (approx.)
for this ammo?

Thanks for any and all info.  Email replies are probably better, given the
volume of posting (I don't want to clog the group); if I get some replies,
I'll try to summarize and post the results later on.

Thanks again,
Mike Ruff
U.T. Austin


[MODERATOR:  And we all know the standard Moderator advice on this one,
right folks?  All together now ... "buy 'em all and post the review after
you play with 'em...." :-) ]
From: wa3wbu!john@uunet.UU.NET (John Gayman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Interesting news from Colt
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:31:48 GMT
Organization: @ WA3WBU, Marysville, PA



  There's an interesting note in the latest issue of Gun's magazine. It
states Colt has ceased production of all Double Eagle autos and the 
King Cobra revolver. I've seen this before. However, even more disturbing
is that they are quiting production of the standard blue steel .45
Government model in favor of the 1911A1 and the new "enhanced" models. 
This is a real bummer for someone wanting to purchase a "raw" pistol
for full-house customizing. Does anyone know if the phosphate finish on
the 1911A1 is suitable for either re-bluing or plating after having custom
work done ?  You really have to wonder what thier up to. I would have thought
that the standard blue steel .45 would have been "THE" .45 auto that
sells the best. 


						John



-- 
John Gayman, WA3WBU 
UUCP: uunet!wa3wbu!john
Packet: WA3WBU @ WB3EAH
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Stupid Shooter Tricks
Date: 22 Aug 92 14:54:59 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:

#One of them, Henry, brought along an alloy frame .44 snub-nosed revolver,
#also with wood grips.  I can't imagine why anyone would want, or even
#make, such a gun.  Shooting it _hurts_.  It's no fun at all.  Neither is
#it accurate enough to be useful at anything beyond point blank range.
#(Henry got it for $5 from a man who bought it, fired 5 rounds through it
#and never wanted to use it again.  After firing 5 rounds myself, I
#understood completely and agreed).

This sounds like the Charter Arms product to me.  19 oz, 5 shots, .44 Spec,
I heard all sorts of stuff about how bad it was to shoot.  I finaly got to
try it, and guess what, I loved it!   It had pachmyers, and was a neat little
snubby skeleton of a gun, each shot was a loud boom but no pain or suprise.

It was no worse than a big .45 with those rubber grips.

I'd like to own one, and I'll pay your friend double what it cost him.
(^8

Jim Del Vecchio

Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
From: joec@fid.morgan.com (Joe Collins)
Subject: Re: Flash powder ....
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Co., New York, NY
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:46:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.214449.2935@umbc3.umbc.edu> grabenst@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. Michael Grabenstein; ACS (GUEST)) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.081316.24885@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> cd353@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Norman Spiney) writes:
>>
>>I have just tried the KMnO4 Al mixtures and find them very easy
>>to ignite. I am using "Silver powder" from an art supply shop.
>>to touch and is easily fluidised). The KClO4 Al mixtures seem to
>>barbecue skewer). However mixtures of KMnO4 KClO4 Al have shown
>>
>>Mark.
>>
>
>	Mark or anyone else -- What is KMnO4 and KClO4 ???

KMnO4 - Potassium permanganate, a purple crystalline powder
  Possibly obtainable from your local drug store
KClO4 - Potassium Chlorate, white?
  hard to get.

Both are powerful oxidizers, KClO4 being the more powerful one.
To see for yourself, put some KMnO4 on the ground in a small pile and
pour some glycerine on it and stand back and wait 1-3 minutes.
It will ignite and burn. The glycerine is burning and getting the
oxygen from the KMnO4, i.e. oxidizing...


>What is it found in?
Not much, except for fireworks. KMnO4 is used in the chemical industry
and KClO4 is used in the lab and in fireworks. Both may have other uses.

>Thanks.
>
>Later,
>	Mike
>	ZMEG@AACC.bitnet
>	or grabenst@umbc3.umbc.edu

Joe
joec@morgan.com
Usual disclaimers...
From: markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: How to get aluminum powder.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 11:04:10 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Dark Park

	I've been getting quite a few responses from people who
don't know how to get aluminum powder.
	Well, it's easy to get. Look in the Yellow Pages under
"METALS - POWDER". If no companies there sell any, tell them to
find some for you. After calling around one morning, I found a
place (through a company in Montreal) in New Jersey which makes 
two types of "missile grade" aluminum powder. I got the finest
grade, which is the consistency of flour - very, very fine. It
is also 99.9% pure. This cost about $2.00 a pound - and it comes
in 55 pound drums (the same size as roofing tar drums). 
	When I was asked what I wanted it for, I simply said "To
make rockets". I was thinking of making up some other story -
underarm deodorant, spray paint, etc., but the truth works
wonders some times. Plus it probably helped that I placed all
the orders at an office, and had it sent there.
	It was shipped UPS, and I had it a few days later.
Getting it through customs was no problem (I live in Canada),
and there were no transportation problems or extra fees because
of handling "hazardous" material (even though there were
"explosive" stickers all over it). 
	All-in-all, very easy to get. Now if I could only find a
cheap source of chlorate.....






























 
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markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher)
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Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
From: mordes@b30.ingr.com (Tony Mordeszewski)
Subject: Re: Rocket Fuel question
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:09:42 GMT

>
>cheers...bic
>
Hey Bic! 
Had a great time at the convention, especially running out in the desert
putting out ROCKET FIRES! :)
At this point I'd like to nominate Mr. Dave Pierson to head up the class "C"
shooting at Fargo! Can you still hear the little rugrats holler "FIRE IN THE 
HOLE!"...
Bill Nelson!
Thanks for the grill... I'll bring it to Fargo for you.
Mark A. Buda!
Tried to send 7 different mail messages to you yesterday from my workstation
and they all bounced. Was trying different variations of the !mailpath.
b30!ingr!uunet!dec!star!buda  
b30!ingr!uunet!enet!dec!star!buda
later...
Tony Mordeszewski
From: markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Rocket fuel
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 21:57:02 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Dark Park

	Has anyone had any experience with using Ammonium
Nitrate, Aluminum powder (missile grade), and epoxy as a
fuel/binder as a solid rocket fuel?
	Right now, I'm using 15% epoxy, 61% Ammonium Nitrate,
and the rest Aluminum (measurements by mass). This produces the
least amount of "black crud" (as it's affectionately known).
This black crud is still sufficient enough to plug the nozzle
and turn a rocket into an expensive firecracker (not that I've
tried it yet).
	I think polyethylene as a fuel/binder would be more
suitable. Where can I find a cheap/pure form of polyethylene?
	
	What are some other fuel combo's that use aluminum
powder (I still have a drum of it left)? The formula above with
the polyethylene _should_ give me a specific impulse of around
2.5 (kN/kg/s). Is this a good number? What can I expect of other
mixtures?


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markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher)
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From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Re: Stink Bombs
Date: 20 Aug 92 09:38:12 GMT
Organization: Aston University

fernee@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Mark Fernee) writes:
: 
: This is just a possibility, but it sounds like a solution
: of sodium polysulfide made by dissolving sodium sulfide
: in water and then adding an excess of sulphur and mixing
: them together untill the sulphur dissolves. This solution
: turns a yellowish brown and smells of hydrogen sulphide.
: 
: By the way, hydrogen sulphide is more toxic than HCN and 
: many orders of magnitude more pungent. Peolple have died
: in Rotorua from this gas.

Also it is only smellable at low concentrations, at higher concentrations
it will anethitise the nerves in the nose.

The quickest way I know to make it is to mix sulpher and any mineral acid
together.
: 
: Any acid mixed with this polysulfide solution increases the
: evolution of the gas. Phewww..
: 
: Mark.
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+(44) 21 565 1979 (Home)                     |evansmp@cs.aston.ac.uk
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Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
From: marks@keinstr.uucp (Mike Marks)
Subject: Re: Stink Bombs
Organization: Keithley Instruments, Cleveland, Ohio
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:00:35 GMT


syspb@smartstar.com (Paul) writes:

>My question is what is that brown liquid?  It said on the label that
>it contained ammonia, but it smelled more like sulphur than ammonia.

It is ammonium sulfide, NH4SH, made by reacting ammonia & hydrogen
sulfide & dissolving in water.  As I recall, it's not terribly
stable, and tends to dissociate back into NH3 and H2S.  It can
be purchased from chemical supply houses, but then if you had access
to a supply house I'd probably just go for ethyl mercaptan (just look
in the Guiness Book under "most evil smelling substance") or
butyric acid (the principal ingredient that gives vomit its rich 
aroma).  If you have ammonium sulfide, it's even possible to make
the ethyl mercaptan without too much trouble.

By the way, the stuff in the stink bombs tends to be diluted.  I had
a bottle of concentrated ammonium sulfide, and it made truly WICKED
stink bombs.  You might want to be careful using them indoors, however.
The hydrogen sulfide (the rotten egg component of the smell) is about
as toxic as cyanide.
___________________________________________________
Mike Marks
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
From: cd353@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Norman Spiney)
Subject: Re: Flash powder ....
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 08:13:16 GMT


I have just tried the KMnO4 Al mixtures and find them very easy
to ignite. I am using "Silver powder" from an art supply shop.
This  is actually Al powder and is extremely fine (ie very smooth
to touch and is easily fluidised). The KClO4 Al mixtures seem to
be difficult to ignite with a burning taper (2mm dia bamboo 
barbecue skewer). However mixtures of KMnO4 KClO4 Al have shown
promise. They tend to be easily ignited (due to the KMnO4) and
burn very bright and verrrrry quickly. A little confinement makes
a great flash cracker (Verrry loud and verrry bright).
I don't have any quantitative measurements of the appropriate
mixing proportions (I am only experimenting with very small
amounts - sub gram), however the ratios do not seem to be crucial,
and pleasing results are easily obtained with a little 
experimenting.

Definitely better than a bought one!

Mark.

Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
From: fernee@newton.physics.uq.oz.au 
Subject: Re: Flash powder ....
Organization: The University of Queensland
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:28:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.214449.2935@umbc3.umbc.edu>, you write:
|> In article <1992Aug18.081316.24885@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> cd353@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Norman Spiney) writes:
|> >
|> >I have just tried the KMnO4 Al mixtures and find them very easy
|> >to ignite. I am using "Silver powder" from an art supply shop.
|> >to touch and is easily fluidised). The KClO4 Al mixtures seem to
|> >barbecue skewer). However mixtures of KMnO4 KClO4 Al have shown
|> >
|> >Mark.
|> >
|> 
|> 	Mark or anyone else -- What is KMnO4 and KClO4 ???
|> What is it found in?
|> Thanks.
|> 
|> Later,
|> 	Mike
|> 	ZMEG@AACC.bitnet
|> 	or grabenst@umbc3.umbc.edu

KMnO4 - potassium permanganate (kondies crystals available from any chemist)

KClO4 - potassium perchlorate (not easily available and very expensive from a 
				chemical suppliers; but is one of the safest
				high energy oxidisers available)

note: beware using any chlorate salt as chloric acid is highly unstable and
prone to spontaneous decomposition, even in microscopic amounts. As many
substances contain traces of various acids which will cause the formation of
chloric acid from chlorate salts, mixing chlorate powders is hazardous at
best.

I use gas welding goggles when igniting flash compositions to prevent 
accidental eye damage. I also personally prefer not to have a flash
trail imprinted on my retina for the rest of time. (there is also 
considerable amounts of UV released which could be harmful to the eye
with prolonged use)

Mark.
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