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From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: was Royalty GedCom and GEDCOM program
Date: 1 Jan 93 16:59:52 GMT
Organization: RAND

Speaking to Richard Pennel's remarks:

>2. In the 1950 Noel Annan wrote an article in which he showed that the
>leaders of British finance, administration, military church, education,
>goverenment etc came from a very restricted number of families....

Each culture and time sets up its own links.

Starting with my g.g.grandfather, George Mitchell, Indian Agent during
and after the Civil War in KS and OK, the family relationships spread
out to show how government appointments were made.

His brother in law was Senator James Harlan from Iowa, President of
Iowa Wesleyan, founder of the Republican Party, etc. -- like many
others he grew up in a log cabin in hard scrabble circumstances in
Ohio and Indiana -- but once in power not only George, but also Harlan's
sister's husband, G. C. Snow was also appointed agent. There were
two other Harlans who were agents at the time -- William and Justin --
I suspect they are all related, but I do not yet know how...

Moreover, these were all Methodists.. dedicated to turning the Indians
into little Methodists.. with a strong church network of relationships
that linked the frontier with the east through newspapers and lay
deligations.. They were subsequently swept out by a wave of Quakers --
probably related to a later administration...

These ain't Kings and Queens, but the plot is not so far off..

Tom

BTW: Wesleyan Universities have Archives, and know lots about their
members.... (in answer to Rick Kitchen)
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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 10:59:03 -0600
Reply-To:     Pat Tuchman <AEZZPAT@UICVMC.BITNET>
From:         Pat Tuchman <AEZZPAT@UICVMC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: illegitimate children baptisms

(lines deleted)
>>      Also, apparently there was an illegitimate child to my great
>>   grandfather (no, I don't think this runs in the family!  B-).  There
>>   is a baptism record for the child but I thought that illegitimate
>>   children were not baptized by the Roman Catholic church.  Am I
>>   incorrect?

>You are and you aren't.  This depends widely on the priest.  In some
>records, you would read xxxx, illegitimate child of yyyy, while in others
>you will read xxxx, born of unknown parents.  The wording will vary.
>In other words, for the exact same situation, you will read two
>different records.  In one case, I saw ... of unknown parents ... and someone
>(likely the priest) wrote around it ... I know who they are ...
>In another case, the record said ... legitimate child ... and the
>legitimate was overwritten by an illegitimate.  Final note: I wrote child,
>but it is either son/daughter.

I ran across an interesting record (19th century Ontario). The child's
parents were both unknown, but the witness column gave two names which were
annotated with "grandparents"!
From: jrs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Spencer)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:14:05 GMT
Subject: Re: JACK CARVER LINE FROM 1790
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.roots

A big thank you to the nice person who called me from the East Coast at 10am
EST to tell me about Gayle (sp?) Carver in Greenville, KY.  I will contact him
and give him my address.  If you or anyone wishes to send me US mail, my 
address is:

John R. Spencer
2331 Firstview Dr.
Loveland, CO
80538

Thanks again!
john
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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:03:57 EST
Reply-To:     George Waller <HBLADM47@UCONNVM.BITNET>
From:         George Waller <HBLADM47@UCONNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Perfect genealogical software

I would like software which would allow me to "be" in Putnam County,
Tennessee about 1862 to "talk" with Granny Jackson so I could ask
her who the parents of Nancy Jane Hunter were. Sort of a genealogical
Star Trek holodeck.
             Happy New Year to all!
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Cousin George Waller, UConn, HBLADM47@UCONNVM.BITNET   --> Happy Hunting!
Looking for: Parents for Nancy Jane Hunter (1862-1916 Lincoln Co TN)
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Date:         Sun, 3 Jan 1993 18:42:27 -0500
Reply-To:     Carol Botteron <botteron@BU-IT.BU.EDU>
From:         Carol Botteron <botteron@BU-IT.BU.EDU>
Subject:      Matrilineal Descent
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

Fred Rump said: (taken out of context)

> Ideally you would not track the males anyway.  Umbilical lines would
> make a bit more sense being that the child is fairly certain to have
> the mother's genes at least.

which reminds me of an article in the NEHGS Nexus, Oct-Nov 1992:
"Mitochondrial DNA: A Genetic and Genealogical Study" by Thomas H.
Roderick, Mary-Claire King, and Robert Charles Anderson.

After some interesting background, it announces a study of matrilineal
lines (mother's mother's mother, etc.).  They are looking for
genealogists with matrilineal lines of at least eight generations,
preferably ten or more, with dates, places, spouses, and
documentation.  They would also like (if possible) names and addresses
of close relatives with the same matrilineal ancestry.  They hope to
get blood samples from participants for DNA analysis.

For more information, see the Nexus or write to:
T. H. Roderick, Ph.D., Center for Human Genetics, Municipal Bldg.,
P.O. Box 770, Bar Harbor, ME 04609.

I wish I could participate, but I have only six matrilineal
generations (including myself), and the earliest was a Smith in
Virginia.  Does anyone here have long lines you'd like to show us?

Carol Botteron (dau of Elizabeth, dau of Ella Nora, dau of Cynthia,
dau of Emily, dau of Elizabeth -- not much variety in initials, eh?)
botteron@bu-it.bu.edu    botteron@ai.mit.edu
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Reply-To:     Richard Casault <casault@u.washington.edu>
From:         Richard Casault <casault@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject:      BRISTOW IN RIVERSIDE, CALIF
Comments: To: ROOTS-L <roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu>

Would someone living in the Riverside, California area be so kind as to
see if they can find an address for a Dr. Jack H. Bristow in Riverside?
According to an aunt, his wife has been researching the GUINDON family.
Unfortunately, my aunt has lost the address.  I would like to make contact
to share information.

Thanks in advance,
Rick

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From: mlayfield@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Marjorie Ann Layfield)
Subject: American Gen. Lending Library?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:48:00 GMT

I saw a message posted in the last few days regarding the American 
Genealogical Lending Library as a source of information.  I'd like to 
know more about it, and where to send requests for information.

Please send responses to MLAYFIELD@NSSDCA.GSFC.NASA.GOV.

Also, if anyone has information on the following surnames, I'd REALLY 
appreciate whatever you can provide:
LAYFIELD/Fla.
PHILPOT/Fla.
LOVE/Fla, NC, Va.
KUESTER/Wis.
DAHL/Wis.
BORDEN/Wis.

Thanks!!
Margie Layfield
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Date:         Sat, 26 Dec 1992 22:23:00 EST
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From:         "EMIS2::REEDL" <REEDL%EMIS2.decnet@GW1.HANSCOM.AF.MIL>
Subject:      re: IGI & Fred
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                          E L E C T R O N I C   M A I L
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                                        Date:      26-Dec-1992 22:22
                                        From:      LtC Lawrence A. Reed
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TO:  _WINS%                               ( _DDN[ROOTS-L@VM1.NODAK.EDU] )


Subject: re: IGI & Fred

Fred, this is in response to your question but wanted to post it TO ALL as it
is of use I think:

When using the IGI on CD-ROM, the first screen in response to your search
will show you an index which will include your search object or as close as
exists in the database.  From that point there are several ways to get more
information (if there is any).
  1. Push the <enter> key which will bring up a window of particulars.  One
of the options from there is to push the <enter> key again.  This is noted at
the bottom of the inset window and says Enter=See Source.  You then see
another window which lists the source.
 2.  Select F2 Print/Holding File - from the menu at the top of the screen,
and you will then be prompted as to whether you want the screen only or the
individual record.  Printing the individual record will provide you with all
the information that exists, including source, on one page.

The IGI is a compilation of information contributed by members and
non-members of the LDS church which has been validated, along with records
which have been extracted from official sources.  At 175 million names, it
cannot represent all existing records, consequently no mention of the
Haemmerers in Bayern you were looking for.

In the case of the specific record of the marriage of

Carl Leopold Haemmerer to Sophia Franke in 1874 at Sankt Marien
Roemische-Katholische, Ahaus, Westfalen, Prussia

the record was extracted from the original church records available on
microfilm #858919 which can be obtained for review from you local Family
History Center.  The batch number M995203 shows that it was an extraction f-
rom  church records, not a submission by some interested person.  IN this
case you can look at the microfilm or write the church (it will be the same
record).

The information :  Sealed to Spouse  11 Jun 1980 OK is of use to members of
the LDS church (specifics of which have been previously discussed on this
list so I will forebear) and has no other significance in this case.

Your FHC should have a listing of number and letter prefixes to IGI entry
batch numbers which explains how each record was obtained (can't remember if
it's on the CD and wouuld have to go off-line to check, but I expect it is).

Hope this helps.

Larry Reed
reedL@gw1.hanscom.af.mil
From: slm@svcs1.UUCP (Steve Martindill)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Official Documents
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:38:42 GMT
Organization: Silicon Valley Computer Society, Sunnyvale, CA

dave_reynoldss@mentorg.com writes:

=>Oregon issues computer printed abstracts by default; if one specifically
=>asks for a copy of the original document, they will issue it for the
=>same fee.  The abstract does not contain the following information:
=>  - time when born
=>  - hospital where born
=>  - attending doctor name & address
=>  - date received by registrar, registrar's signature
=>  - address of parents at time of birth
=>  - age of each parent
=>  - who signed the birth certificate


=>Oregon and Nebraska are the only states which I have received
=>abstracts from.  The other dozen or so states which I have
=>ordered birth certificates from all have sent copies of the
=>original document.

=>(Oregon is a great place to order vital records from -- too
=>bad none of my ancestors were born here.  Typically, I have
=>phoned in requests (charged to a credit card), and the documents
=>are in the mail the same or next day.)

California also will send a copy of the original document ONLY
upon specific request for such.  By default they send a computer
generated abstract.  Last time I requested one the cost was $12.

-- 
+   Steven Martindill         +
+   Sunnyvale, California     +
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Date:         Sun, 27 Dec 1992 20:30:18 -0600
Reply-To:     Patsy Perez <pperez@TENET.EDU>
From:         Patsy Perez <pperez@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Ukraine
Comments: To: RIGAUT@frurbb51.bitnet
Comments: cc: Multiple recipients of list ROOTS-L <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU>

My daughter is presently attending college in Kiev, Ukraine.  She will be
there until June, 1993.  If anyone is interested in making contacts there,
I will see if it is possible for her to do so.

patsy perez\
pperez@tenet.edu
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 10:13:00 LCL
Reply-To:     M.Fitzgibbons@SHEFFIELD-HALLAM.AC.UK
From:         MFITZGIB <M.Fitzgibbons@SHEFFIELD-HALLAM.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re:- radio & roots
Comments: To: roots-l <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.edu>

In reply to Elizabeth Unkerfer and others, Elizabeth's question , what is
packet radio?

Hello Elizabeth, and others on roots-l

                      Seasons Greetings from a very cold Sheffield -7
today.

The term Packet radio is one used by Radio Amateurs. Throughout the world
there are
many thousands of radio amateurs who use there radio station to converse
with others
of a similar mind. It's a nice way to make friends, and it's cheaper than
phone calls.

The hobby has been around for about 85 years, the first radio broadcasts
to the world
were made by radio amateurs. 2LO was the father of the BBC world service.
A young
man called Gerald Marcuse was the Grandfather of the BBC with his
"Broadcasts to the
Empire" The broadcasts consisted of music for one or two hours each week
on a
Sunday afternoon. My memory is not to good on American history, but I
seem to
recall that Hiram Percy Maxim did a similar thing in the early days in
the USA.
 Well the hobby has come on since those days, to day we not only use
voice , but we
 also link computers into a world wide network. Not unlike the Internet
service.
The speeds are slower but the information does eventually get through.

There are about 35,000 amateurs in the UK, of these 8500 are active on
packet radio, I
would think that in the USA there are around 700,000 amateurs
(guesstimated) and of this
 number quite a few will also active on packet radio. As with all hobbies
there are those who share
other interests, Genealogy seems to be a common one among radio amateurs.

It seems that computers have a a foothold in all kinds of hobbies and
interests, maybe I
should be saying that "other hobbies have gained a foothold in the
computer world"!

I hope that the brief description helps? a little of the historical
background to the hobby of
amateur radio, and the more recent advent of packet radio.

.

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From: Robert Cox <rcox@convex.UUCP>
Subject: Searching WHITEHILL and HARLEY in PA
Originator: rcox@mozart.convex.com
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 19:09:16 GMT
Reply-To: rcox@convex.UUCP (Robert Cox)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

I'm searching for the ancestors of Joseph WHITEHILL and his wife 
Sarah Ann HARLEY.  

Joseph WHITEHILL was born in Bellfonte, PA in 1810/1811.  His parents
were both born in Pennsylvania. 

Sarah Ann HARLEY was born in Clearfield, PA in 1818/1819.  Her father
was born in Rhode Island, her mother in Pennsylvania. 

Here is a list of children taken from various census reports: 

	Name 		Born 

	Marion 		1838/1839
	Warner		1840/1841
	Martha		1843/1844
	Emma (Ami)	1844/1845
	Charles		1847/1848
	Henry 		1849/1850
	Calvin 		1849/1850 
	Mary 		1851/1852	<-- My great-grandmother
	Cynthia		1854/1855           (b. March 17, 1852)
	Minerva		1855/1856
	Washington 	1856/1857
	George 		1863/1864

Places of residence include:

	1840: Venango County, Paint Township, PA 
	1850: Clarion County, PA 
	1860: Clarion County, Beaver Township, PA 
	1880: Clarion County, Clarion Township, PA 

					-- Many thanks, Robert Cox 
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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 01:54:20 -0600
Reply-To:     emsiwek@IASTATE.EDU
From:         emsiwek@IASTATE.EDU
Subject:      Ukrainian relatives in NY
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

This was posted on E-EUROPE Digest.  Perhaps someone in NY can help.

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   Topic: I'm looking for Ukrainian relatives in the U.S.A.
     Frm: svn%ibm.dnepropetrovsk.ua@relay.USSR.EU.net (Valery N.Shepelenko)
     >To: E-EUROPE@NCSUVM.bitnet
    Sent: Thu, 24 Dec 92 12:08:53 +0200 (OEZ)
Organization: Business & Management Institute (Krivoy Rog)

Help find some persons in the U.S.A., please.

Valia Shevyakov (Lebed) and Silva Lebed from Krivoy Rog,
Ukraine are looking for their cousins the Birenbergs in New York City.
Their names and birthdays are:
  Sidney  - 15 Jun 1923
  Marcia  -  8 May 1926
  Leo     -  7 Oct 1930
  Rosie   -  9 Jul 1933
Everyone were born in the USA.
Their mother and father were Sonja and Jack Birenberg.
Until 1968 or later they lived in N.Y.C. and their father had
a shop of wool fabrics. There is address of the shop or maybe
his office:  39 Gramercy Park, New York 10.
Sonja Birenberg for a long period of time (at last in 1968)
lived in the Hotel on 5-th Avenue and 9-th Street.
Any help in this matter will be appreciated.

  Address for contact:
     Valia Shevyakov
     2 Pushkin St., Apt. 6
     Krivoy Ror, 324099, Ukraine

  Telephone in the Ukraine: (0564) 282-884

  Or via e-mail: svn%ibm.dnepropetrovsk.ua@ussr.eu.net
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From: in11rwma@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de (Martin Alt)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Simple question related to genealogical research
Date: 23 Dec 1992 10:26:52 GMT
Organization: Universitaet des Saarlandes,Rechenzentrum
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Keywords: east prussia, genealogical research, 19th century


Hi there,

I am not really sure whether I have hit the right newsgroup
 for my problem, but ...

I am doing currently a little bit of genealogical research.
A short question to the experienced people.

I am looking for two villages in east prussia.
There were called `Wasserlauken' and `Berschkallen' in the 19th century(1850).

Continuing the research, I haved to know 

 .  What is the name of these two town now ?
 .  Where are there located ?

Does anybody know something or has access to some informations ?

Best Regards,
Martin


P.S. Some hints say that they are located near `Tilsit' at the river `Memel'.

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Reply-To:     "J.P. Letellier" <jp@WIZARD.NRL.NAVY.MIL>
From:         "J.P. Letellier" <jp@WIZARD.NRL.NAVY.MIL>
Subject: Re: Libraries
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU, green@plains.nodak.edu

My complaint about the library hours was not directed at the librarians.  It
was directed at the managers with the Washingtom Monument syndrome.  For those
of you who don't know what that is:  when the Park Service doesn't get all
the increases i asks for in the budget, it closes the Washington Monument
on Saturdays, since that will get the loudest and most immediate howls from
taxpayers to their Congressmen.  Workers are usually great: but for some
unknown reason, managers feel they must G..R..O..W, independent of what
needs they are tasked to fill.  I am in DoD, we are cutting back, an my
silly boss has put in my plan that I must provide him with my plan for
growth this year!!  And then a blessing for the politicians, who cannot
make the choices we pay them to make; continue to charge our grandchildren
in order to buy votes.

God Bless the people working in the libraries -- they make life a little
better for all of us, in spite of society!!
jp
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:32:27 CST
Reply-To:     streeter@jemima.b23b.ingr.com
From:         Elisabeth Green Streeter <streeter@JEMIMA.B23B.INGR.COM>
Subject:      Re: Need help with rubbings and relation chart.
Comments: To: ROOTS-L <roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu>
              at Dec 28, 92 11:34 pm

> NOw is the moment for arcane information time. What you want is cobbler's
> black or cobbler's heel, a thick very hard very black waxy block used by
> cobblers. And - if it's  a tombstone which will be rough from being
> outside - STRONG paper: lining paper, the stuff you put on walls before
> you paint them.

>
> Richard Pennell, History NUS
>

Something else that would be nice are the large square black crayons used
for brass rubbings.  But they don't seem to be available in the US, either!