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From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: This has nothing to do wih (Was Re: NO MORE ILLEGAL WORKERS, PLEASE!!!)
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:52:38 GMT

ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu wrote:
: In article <1993Jan27.020206.21137@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
: [munchies]
: > 	In fact I can say that it is worse in Malaysia, if your judgement were
: > to be believed. We have more paradises here than anywhere in Africa. The 
: > chinese even siphon off billions of ringgit to Hong Kong and Singapore, due to 
: > our open economic policy, and you people do not seem to appreciate this, or
: > may be just do not bother, after all you are all convinced that you are the
: > only 2ND CLASS CITIZENS in the whole wide world.

: 	Hmm...  Did you mixup the M'sian passport holding chinese and the
: non-M'sian passport holding chinese??  Big difference between the two... 
: Besides, I don't really care to be the ONLY 2nd citizen or ANY 2nd class

I do not mix up the two. Remember that former Malaysian passport holders.

: citizen.  In fact, I don't even ask for the special rights to be abolished
: right now, but that a date be set.  Look at the industries in US that have

I know that but you are the only one.

: "special rights" ie, like the milk producers and the grain growers.  They are
: heavily subsidiced, to the point that some of them are PAID for NOT GROWING
: grain... Stupid rule, don't you think??  My point is, OK, you want special

Do you know why they do it? Do you think they are that stupid. You should 
study the American and European history well to know the background. They
will not tell you or any foreigner the true story blatantly but it is mentioned
in their more learned publications.

: rights and help.  OK.  Set a date for that to be achieved.  That's all I ask

Did I say I want the special privileges to be indefinitely?

: for.  Surely you don't expect it to continue indefinitely?
The constitution remains there indefinitely but the implementation will be
slowly phased out but can be recalled when necessary.
	This is the government's plans and this is what the Malays and natives
want. Who like to be called BEGGERS? In ISLAM it is WRONG to be a begger.


--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: purwinto@rodan.acs.syr.EDU ()
Subject: PEACE: To whom it may concern
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 20:54:19 EST


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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:36:40 EST
Reply-To: CFE Graduate Student List <CFEGRAD@SUVM.SYR.EDU>
Comments:     Warning -- original Sender: tag was CFELIST@SUVM
From: FKELLE@SUVM.SYR.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list CFEGRAD <CFEGRAD@SUVM.SYR.EDU>

Some of you may be interested, so I thought I would send this along to
the crowd and hope to catch a few possible participants.  Peace, I think
that's what this is about, Fay
_____________________________________________________________________________

To all supporters of peace and justice in former Yugoslavia:

Action for Peace in the Balkans, a multiethnic, San Francisco Bay
Area-based peace group, has organized a nationwide telegram hotline to
President Bill Clinton, urging him to seek a peaceful solution to this
conflict. The telegram reads:

"I oppose military intervention or lifting the arms embargo in the civil war 
in former Yugoslavia.  Such action will fuel the fighting, prolong civilian 
suffering, and lead to an even wider conflict in the region. Exercise 
evenhanded diplomacy and pressure the three warring sides in Bosnia and 
Hercegovina to negotiate a mutually acceptable political solution."

The procedure for using the hotline is as follows:

1. Call (800) 372-2626 (Western Union, Telegram Hotlines)

2. Ask for hotline no. 9337; it will be identified as "Peace in the
Balkans"; the recepient and begining of text will be confirmed (full text
also read on demand; however, note that within this hotline the text is not
alterable)

3. You will be asked for a name and address of the sender, as well as your
home phone number; a $6.95 charge will appear on your next telephone bill
(however, you can call from any phone)

4. You may (optionally) provide your name and address to the organizers.


We urge you to take part in and advertise broadly this action, which will
be taking place for a limited time after inauguration. Our new
administration's policy on this issue has apparently not been set yet, but
defining it is its highest foreign policy priority. This is why it is of
paramount importance to immediately  let them know that military
intervention is *not* a viable option. This message must be sent in a
clear, visible and organized way, and this action serves that purpose.
Certainly, other means of voicing your opinion on the subject remain
equally important as before. But we ask you to take this action seriously,
since only many thousands of telegrams can make a difference.


ACTION FOR PEACE IN THE BALKANS

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: skow@cs.utwente.nl (Jacek Skowronek)
Subject:  Podatki'92
Reply-To: skow@cs.utwente.nl
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:55:47 GMT

W zwiazku z ostatnia dyskusja na temat podatkow. Ja mieszkam w Holandii
i zadzwonilem do naszej ambasady w sprawie podatku. Powiedzano mi,
ze Polska ma z Holandia umowe o unikaniu podwojnego opodatkowania,
ale zadnych szczegolow nie udalo sie uzyskac. 
Mimo umowy trzeba w Urzedzie Podatkowym w Polsce zlozyc deklaracje 
podatkowa. Deklaracji niestety nie mozna otrzymac w ambasadzie. 
Trzeba pisac do Polski o przeslanie. Zastanawiam sie czy tak samo jest w
USA. Czy Polacy tam rowniez nie moga otrzymac deklaracji w ambasadzie?
I wlasciwie dlaczego nie?

Jacek



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University of Twente
P.O. Box 217
7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands
From: zleyk@vila.anu.edu.au (Zbigniew Leyk)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: test
Date: 28 Jan 93 16:05:54
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.15.69

Test only.
--
Zbigniew Leyk

--------------------
zleyk@orac.anu.edu.au			Australian National University
					     Canberra, ACT 2601
From: haverkam@uni-duesseldorf.de (Wilhelm Haverkamp)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Nutzung und Betrieb von Rechnernetzen
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:51:34 GMT
Organization: Universitaetsrechenzentrum, Heinrich-Heine-Universitaet Duesseldorf
NNTP-Posting-Host: haverkamp.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de

Anfang Juni findet in der Uni Chemnitz die
7. Tagung "Nutzung und Betrieb von Rechnernetzen"
statt, verbunden mit Tutorium und Workshop.
Interessenten koennen das Programm direkt bei
mir anfordern oder ueber ftp holen:
  ftp clio.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de
  login : ftp
  passwd: ftp
  cd chemnitz
  dir
  get tagungsankuendigung
  quit

Es lohnt sich!
  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: andrzej@bnr.ca (Andrzej Bieszczad)
Subject: Re: Podwojne obywatelstwo
Followup-To: soc.culture.polish
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.,
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:24:14 GMT

In article <tomek-210193134019@mac198.sfa.ufl.edu> tomek@ufcc.ufl.edu (Tomasz Mazur) writes:


       Czy ktos cos wie na temat pozycji Polski i U.S.A. odnosnie podwojnego
   (polsko-amerykanskiego) obywatelstwa dla Polakow?  Wydaje mi sie ze Rzad
   Polski nie ma nic przeciwko temu ale nie wiem nic o pozycji U.S.A. w tej
   sprawie.  Jakis czas temu probowalem sie czegos dowiedziec od Urzedu
   Imigracyjnego w Jacksonville.  Ich odpowiedz: "Amerykanskie przepisy nic o
   tym nie mowia."  Czy to mozliwe?

   tomek@ufcc.ufl.edu 

Obywatel USA nie moze byc obywatelem innego kraju.

--
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 Carleton University, Systems & Comp. Engineering, Ottawa, Canada K1S 5B6
 Bell-Northern Research, Ltd., P.O. Box 3511 C, Ottawa, Canada K1Y 4H7
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: azaleski@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Andrzej Zaleski)
Subject: Re: Polski odpowiednik 'time out'
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 04:28:46 GMT

>>>Czy ktos zna polski odpowiednik 'time-out' jako rzeczownik ('too many
>>>time-outs') i jako czasownik ('the connection timed out') ? 
>>>Z gory dziekuje za sugestie ...

A dlaczego by nie: 'przerwanie'
'the connection timed out' - polaczenie przerwane
'too many time-outs' - zbyt duzo przerwan

AZaleski
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: azaleski@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Andrzej Zaleski)
Subject: Re: Snow in Szczyrk?
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:35:53 GMT

In article Lech Borkowski writes:
>In article Tuukka Lindberg writes:
>>I'm planning a trip to Szczyrk (Salmopol) in Southern Poland
>>starting on February 14th. There are some good slopes for
>>downhill-skiing, but is there now enough snow? 
>>And what's more important, will there be still snow left in
>>the next month?
>
> No problem, February is right in the middle of the season there. 
>You will have plenty of snow. 

Message 2/3  From DONOSY - Dzial Kolportazu   
Jan 23 '93 at 2:16 pm 1
Pogoda
Bardzo silny wiatr lamal drzewa i zrywal druty w calej Polsce.
Cieplo, nawet w Tatrach nie ma sniegu - a wlasnie zaczely sie
zimowe ferie. Podobno zimy juz nie bedzie.

Weather (in Poland)
Jan 23 '93 at 2:16 pm 1
[...]
Warm, even in Tatra Mountains there is no snow - and winter
vacations have just started. They say, there will be no winter this year.

AZaleski

Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: tomek@ufcc.ufl.edu (Tomasz Mazur)
Subject: Podwojne obywatelstwo
Followup-To: soc.culture.polish
Organization: University of Florida
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 19:08:37 GMT

    Czy ktos cos wie na temat pozycji Polski i U.S.A. odnosnie podwojnego
(polsko-amerykanskiego) obywatelstwa dla Polakow?  Wydaje mi sie ze Rzad
Polski nie ma nic przeciwko temu ale nie wiem nic o pozycji U.S.A. w tej
sprawie.  Jakis czas temu probowalem sie czegos dowiedziec od Urzedu
Imigracyjnego w Jacksonville.  Ich odpowiedz: "Amerykanskie przepisy nic o
tym nie mowia."  Czy to mozliwe?

tomek@ufcc.ufl.edu
From: zzatsjl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Janusz Lukasiak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Polski odpowiednik 'time out'
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:01:53 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.

Czy ktos zna polski odpowiednik 'time-out' jako rzeczownik ('too many
time-outs') i jako czasownik ('the connection timed out') ? 
Z gory dziekuje za sugestie ...
--
Janusz Lukasiak
zzatsjl@uk.ac.mcc.uts  (Janet)      | Manchester Computing Centre
zzatsjl@uts.mcc.ac.uk  (elsewhere)  | University of Manchester
                                    | Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL, England
                                    | phone: +44 61 275 6007 (fax: ...6040)
From: przemek@tokamak.viewlogic.com (Przemek Skoskiewicz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Podwojne obywatelstwo
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:10:51 GMT
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Originator: przemek@tokamak


In article <ANDRZEJ.93Jan22234156@bcars268.bnr.ca>, andrzej@bnr.ca (Andrzej Bieszczad) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan22.193108.10743@viewlogic.com> przemek@tokamak.viewlogic.com (Przemek Skoskiewicz) writes:
|> 
|>    In article <ANDRZEJ.93Jan21232414@bcars268.bnr.ca>, andrzej@bnr.ca (Andrzej Bieszczad) writes:
|> 	   ....
|>    |> 
|>    |> Obywatel USA nie moze byc obywatelem innego kraju.
|> 
|> 
|>    Nope.  Przeczytaj moj poprzedni artykul.
|> 
|> 
|> Bardzo to ciekawe, bo jako Kanadyjczyk nie moglbym miec obywatelstwa
|> USA.  W Kanadzie ukazuje sie wiele artykulow porownujacych USA i
|> Kanade. Jestem pewien, ze juz kilka razy czytalem o "US policy about
|> one-country citizenship". Kanadyjczycy moga miec inne obywatelstwa w
|> dodatku do kanadyjskiego.
|> 
|> Niestety nie pamietam referencji.


Nie jestem swiadom zadnych wyjatkow w amerykanskim prawie imigracyjnym
dotyczacych kanadyjczykow, jezeli chodzi o obywatelstwo.  I o ile mnie pamiec
nie myli, to dwoch znajomych urodzonych w Quebeck posiada paszporty amerykanskie
(przez malzenstwo).  Jak zawsze, ostatnim arbitrem w tej sprawie jest dobry
prawnik i INS.
-- 
Viewlogic Systems, Inc.                         Przemek Skoskiewicz
293 Boston Post Road West
Marlborough, MA 01752-4615, USA
email: przemek@viewlogic.com
From: eagv17@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Babilas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: "sexism" po Polsku, was Re: "newsgroup" po Polsku
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:20:32 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

Tomasz Mazur was kind enough to react promptly to my posting. Since the
oppinion exchange between us is shifted now to email here follows only
one my comment:
 
tm> (...) how would you feel if somebody decided to post Polish jokes to 
tm> this, or any other, newsgroup? (...)

I don't mind polish jokes providing I find them at least a wee bit
funny. Nobody of us should mind. We can't waive them, neither pretend
that they don't refer to us. When I can't change sthg I try to get
accustomed to it. Simplistic statement but all that stuff boils down to
it. 

regards,
===Michal Babilas===eagv17@castle.ed.ac.uk=          
Unauthorised access is a criminal offence under The Computer Misuse Act 1990.
If you are a British Airways employee, disconnect NOW.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: przemek@tokamak.viewlogic.com (Przemek Skoskiewicz)
Subject: Re: Podwojne obywatelstwo
Originator: przemek@tokamak
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:31:08 GMT


In article <ANDRZEJ.93Jan21232414@bcars268.bnr.ca>, andrzej@bnr.ca (Andrzej Bieszczad) writes:
|> In article <tomek-210193134019@mac198.sfa.ufl.edu> tomek@ufcc.ufl.edu (Tomasz Mazur) writes:
|> 
|> 
|>        Czy ktos cos wie na temat pozycji Polski i U.S.A. odnosnie podwojnego
|>    (polsko-amerykanskiego) obywatelstwa dla Polakow?  Wydaje mi sie ze Rzad
	....
|> 
|> Obywatel USA nie moze byc obywatelem innego kraju.


Nope.  Przeczytaj moj poprzedni artykul.


-- 
Viewlogic Systems, Inc.                         Przemek Skoskiewicz
293 Boston Post Road West
Marlborough, MA 01752-4615, USA
email: przemek@viewlogic.com
From: lbs@madeira.phys.ufl.edu (Lech Borkowski)
Subject: Re: Snow in Szczyrk?
Organization: University of Florida Physics Department (CMT Group)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 18:00:05 GMT

In article <8232@kielo.uta.fi> cstuli@uta.fi (Tuukka Lindberg) writes:
>I'm planning a trip to Szczyrk (Salmopol) in Southern Poland
>starting on February 14th. There are some good slopes for
>downhill-skiing, but is there now enough snow? 
>And what's more important, will there be still snow left in
>the next month?

 No problem, February is right in the middle of the season there. 
You will have plenty of snow. 

>Tuukka Lindberg, Tuukka.Lindberg@uta.fi

 Lech Borkowski

Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: skow@cs.utwente.nl (Jacek Skowronek)
Subject: Re: Podatek od stypendiow zagranicznych
Reply-To: skow@cs.utwente.nl
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:31:55 GMT

In article 3437@gmuvax2.gmu.edu, azaleski@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Andrzej Zaleski) writes:
>Moim zdaniem, to chyba nie trzeba sie az wymeldowywac, a wystarczy
>udowodnic, ze sie przez wiecej niz 160(180?) dni nie bylo w kraju, co
>mozna dosyc latwo zrobic np paszportem. A jesli tak nie mozna, to
>znaczy, ze rzeczywiscie dekomunizacja jest bardzo potrzebna.:-)

Moim zdaniem to wcale nie tak latwo udowodnic, bowiem polsce celnicy 
wcale nie zawsze stempluja paszporty na granicy. Poza tym, ostatnio wchodza
nowe paszporty...



>Andrzej Zaleski 
>
Jacek Skowronek



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Information Systems Workgroup		fax: +31-53-339605
University of Twente
P.O. Box 217
7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands

Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: pavel@cs.UAlberta.CA (Jachowicz Pavel G)
Subject: Humor
Keywords: Cyrankiewicz
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:14:56 GMT

Nastepujacy dowcip wziety jest z Kultury Paryskiej, Nr 9/191, 1963.

Cyrankiewicz umarl i poszedl do czyscca.  Tam okazalo sie,
ze musi sie zameldowac w odpowiednim oddziale.  Czysciec bowiem jest
podzielony wedlug imion.  Poslano go do oddzialu dla "Jozefow".
Pierwsza osoba jaka spotkal tam byl Jozef Stalin.  Ucieszony, ze jednak
sa znajomi, zapytal go jak sie tu zyje.
- Nie najgorzej, odpowiedzial Stalin, mogloby byc nawet zupelnie dobrze
gdyby nie to, ze naszym blokowym jest Jozef Pilsudski.

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  fact, it's all dark."                           Pink Floyd
                             The Dark Side of the Moon ('73)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: whit@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Chris Whitaker)
Subject: E-MAIL do Polski?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:14:52 GMT


Czy mozliwe jest wyslanie E-MAIL do Polski? Zainteresowana jestem szczegolnie
adresami uczelnii wroclawskich oraz katowickich, ewentualnie opolskich.
Poza tym po przeczytaniu listu na temat opodatkowania stypendiow , jestem
niezmiernie zainteresowana jak takowe (stypendium) mozna otrzymac na terenie
Stanow Zjednoczonych?

Prosze o odpowiedz na adres : whit@rintintin.colorado.edu

 
Dziekuje niezmiernie za pomoc, pozdrawim, zycze powodzenia,czesc!

Katarzyna Witkos

Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: thaddeus@hpcvusd.cv.hp.com (Thaddeus Konar)
Subject: Re: Telewizja Polska dla Polonii.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:56:35 GMT

>Uprzejmie zawiadamiam, ze jestem zainteresowany(a) codziennym programem >telewizji polskiej, nadawanym satelitarnie w ramach amerykanskiej sieci >kablowej. Zglaszam gotowosc uiszczania miesiecznej oplaty w wysokosci $ 15 z >chwila uruchomienia programu.

Juz chcialem to wyslac jak najszybciej, ale $15 dol na miesiac 
to $180 rocznie. Nie ma ani jednego programu satelitarnego
ktory kosztowal by tyle. Na przyklad za satelitarny abonament na
HBO/Cinemax (w sumie 8 kanalow: HBO-E, HBO_W, HBO2-E, HBO2-W, HBO3,
Cinemax-E, Cinemax-W, Cinemax2, 24 godziny na dobe) zaplacilem w 
tym roku $100. Bravo kosztuje ok. $10/rok. International channel tez pare dolarow.

Najprawdopodobnie Polski program bedzie dolaczany do jakiegos innego
kanalu, (Bravo nadaje rano Wloska televizie, Niemiecka idzie "otwarta",
tzn. bez oplaty) na przyklad Intern. Chan..

Z checia bym sobie obejrzal cos z Polski (po za Dziennikiem TVP, ktore
jest nadawany na SCOLA z 10-cio dniowym opuznieniem). 

Ale w takim razie poczekam z wysylka.

Tadeusz Konar
thaddeus@cv.hp.com
From: struzak@disuns2.epfl.ch (Marcin Struzak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Looking for MS-DOS/UNIX Polish fonts
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:23:44 GMT
Reply-To: struzak@disuns2.epfl.ch (Marcin Struzak)
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

In article <19930118.181708.181@almaden.ibm.com> YANASAK@RALVM5.VNET.IBM.COM writes:
>I am looking for sources of fonts for the Polish language that are
>in MS-DOS/UNIX format (hopefully either TrueType or ATM).  I really
>don't care how pretty they are: I just need functionality.  I'm
>also hoping that they're either public domain or shareware: I
>really don't want to spend US$100 for a "world language" package
>containing 49 fonts that I don't need.

I know about three things offering polish letters:

	1. Regular MS-DOS 5 offers in its international support keyboard
	   definition files matching the polish ones (there are 3 or 4
	   different types - I've never understood whiah ones are which)
	   with the corresponding lettering.  I think the ASCII table is
	   called something like Latin-2.  You can install the second 
	   without the first (ie. using polish letters with your american
	   keyboard - or whatever you have) and typing special characters
	   with ALT-{three_digits_on_keypad}.

	2. There was a release of a polish overlay for windows (Polska
	   nakladka na MS-Windows 3.0).  It includes some polish keyboards
	   (there is even a Polish-programmer one - simulating polish 
	   letters with a regular US-keyboard, f.ex. ~l for ... what you
	   guess) and polish fonts for screen, matrix and laser printers.
	   You have Courier, Helvetica and TMS Roman in different point 
	   sizes.  You can even install the System font in polish version.

	3. Recently Microsoft released what they called "MS-Windows 3.1 for
	   Eastern Countries", ie. a regular Windows package with all the
	   fonts (incl. TT :)) matching the polish character set.

The problem with the polish letters set (valid for all of the above) is that
polish characters replace other international ones.  With great deception I
found that the french set is incomplete using ASCII Latin-2.  I think reasons
were economical or strategical - it was this or german letters family.

Hope it answers.  As all of these products are commercial, I doubt if you
can find them anywhere on net :(.  Good luck!

					Marcin

+-------------------------+---------------------------------------+
| Marcin Struzak          | Swiss Federal Institute of Technology |
+-------------------------+ Lausanne, Switzerland                 |
| struzak@disuns2.epfl.ch | Communications Systems, 4th year      |
+-------------------------+---------------------------------------+