HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jwishnie@roadkill.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Wishnie)
Subject: Using the NeXT CD-ROM player on other systems
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 03:53:54 GMT

My Prof is would like to get the CD-ROM Player/3.0 special but he would  
like to be able to use the CD-ROM player with ALL the systems in his lab.

SO, Has anyone tried hooking the NeXT CD-ROM player to a Macintosh or a  
Sun?

If so, what drivers did it take to get it working.  I'm most concerned  
with the Mac.

Jeff Wishnie
Stanford/CSLI
jwishnie@csli.stanford.edu
From: coco@ihcoco.att.com (Felix A. Lugo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Need Advice on upgrading from 030 to 040 to color
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:47:26 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Naperville, I.L.

In article <1992Apr10.005957.4932@pellns.alleg.edu> trimble@alleg.edu (Erik Trimble) writes:
| In line with all this, my old 030 cube has the OD in it (as do all others -  
| well almost all others :)  I've been hearing about the lack of OD circuitry on  
| the new mono Turbo board for the cube. What Happens to my OD if I upgrade to  
| the Turbo board?  Also, anyone know if they will continue to offer the 040  
| upgrade kit?
| 
| -Erik
| trimble@alleg.edu

	Contact Sam Goldberger at Spherical Solutions (sphere@netcom.com)!

---

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Felix A. Lugo

E-Mail: (NeXTmail preferred)			Felix_A_Lugo@ATT.COM
						coco@ihcoco.att.com
     AT&T NeXT User Group			nug@ihcoco.att.com
     HOME NeXTcube				home@ihcoco.att.com
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: fjs@cco.caltech.edu (Fernando J. Selman)
Subject: Re: fax from command line.
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 06:15:01 GMT

simsong (Simson L. Garfinkel) writes:

>In article <1992Apr4.193804.7080@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
>smb3u@squeeg.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker) writes:
>> 
>> I must be missing something obvious.  How does one send a fax from the 
>> command line?  Suppose I'm dialing in or telnetting to my fax server and
>> I want to send an ascii file as a fax.  Is there some little command line
>> utility like lpr for faxes?
>> 

>Read the fil einto edit and fax from there.

>Who uses command lines?
>-- 

If I am away from my home town for a few days I would like to login
from my hotel room every night to check for faxes received and forward
them to the hotel fax machine. I travel with a laptop, can only use a
line interface.
					FJS
>................................................................simson
From: vhs@darkcube.radig.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: SEF did it again (RTF) also Netrek update! (Not really) (not RTF)
Date: 15 Apr 92 07:14:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: darkcube.1992Apr15.071432.7781
Reply-To: vhs@darkcube.radig.de

In article <SCOTT.92Apr11141729@nic.gac.edu> scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess)  
writes:
[stuff deleted]
> And (last point, I promise) Sean at least has a reason to do the
> bounces, and I can assure you that he can find a number of backup
> arguments.  You state right out that you want to do it just to piss
> Sean off.  Now _there's_ a reason to abuse resources that other people
> are paying for you to use.

SEF does NOT have a reason to bounce RTF postings. It would be enough to
send an email (without quoting) stating that he doesn't like RTF because he
(and many others)
can't use it and he thinks it's a waste of resources. I knew all that when I
posted the TIFFs, I thought it over and then decided to post them because
I figured many people would appreciate it (and they did). If this was bad,
then all the discussions about the decline of ODs, of how to add
an 030 board to an 040 cube, etc. is just as bad, since it concerns only
a minor part of the NeXT groupies, i.e. those with old cubes (like me).
My post was ~7KB, which is small considering the appreciation it got
from many readers.
I will never, *never* accept anybody playing net.police in the way SEF does.
I am open to critique and flames, but I'm not going to consider mail and
posts as malicious and aggressive as SEFs tantrums.


And another message to SEF beacuse he still refuses to read my mail:
Someone with your email-address returned one of my postings in full quote
without adding any text to it, and changed the subject line to
"Grow up, dweeb". He must have confused the From: and To: address fields.

P.S. Sorry this post is so late. We seem to be getting news in longer intervals
recently.
--
Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@darkcube.radig.de)

M arketing
I ncredibly
CR ufty
O perating
S ystems for
O bsolete
F ...
T ...
^^ Does anybody have some fitting words to complete this?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: polu@archimedes.engr.umbc.edu (Polu Harinath)
Subject: Right button gets disabled (help needed)
Keywords: Right button gets disbaled (help needed)
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:39:53 GMT



Hi,

Every time I log out and log in, the right mouse button gets disabled (I never  
had this problem before). I have to invoke preferences app. and enable the  
right mouse button every time I log in. This is a common problem to all the  
users on the NeXTstation. Any hints ??

Thank You
Hari Polu

polu@plato.engr.umbc.edu
polu@umbc4.umbc.edu
From: cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for a TIFF editor
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:17:15 GMT

Jess Anderson writes
> you can obtain what there is for documentation on Icon (without
> which the threat of a _crise_ 

crise
		??

Xref: sparky comp.sys.next.misc:13951 comp.sys.next.programmer:3399
From: cnh5730@calvin.tamu.edu (Charles N. Herrick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer
Subject: Re: Files in my home directory, and other ruminations
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:06:22 GMT
	<1992Apr11.032459.1552@asw.com> <92103.102647MKK2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc
Organization: Please note: I speak only for myself
In-reply-to: MKK2@psuvm.psu.edu's message of 12 Apr 92 14:26:46 GMT

In article <92103.102647MKK2@psuvm.psu.edu> MKK2@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
   I believe that this issue would be a perfect one for a developer's
   group to discuss.  In the looonnnng run, it would be best if all developers
   followed the same guidelines.


What happened to the *.app approach? You hide your files in the
directory which appears as *.app in your file viewer.

Isn't this sufficient?

	chuck <cnh5730@calvin.tamu.edu>
--
 <->   My personal opinion, speaking only as myself, an individual :-)   <->
	<->	Not an official document of anyone	<->
	     <-> from: a SUN SPARC1+ w/ SUNos 4.1 <->
 	    Charles N. Herrick <cnh5730@calvin.tamu.edu>

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: fedor@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Adam Fedor)
Subject: Screen Saver
Reply-To: fedor@boulder.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:35:20 GMT

I'm looking for a public domain/commercial screen saver that works even 
after I log off.  Does Lockscreen do this? (It wasn't apparent from the
demo that it did).  The screen saver I found on the archives seemed very
buggy.  Could some one please point me to a place where I can find
one?  Thanks.

adam (fedor@boulder.colorado.edu)
Xref: sparky comp.sys.next.misc:13404 misc.forsale.computers:16766 misc.wanted:4828
From: jmd@banana.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,misc.forsale.computers,misc.wanted
Subject: NeXT Monochrome monitor wanted
Date: 4 Apr 92 14:26:23 GMT
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.

I'm looking for a used-but-good-picrue NeXT monochrome monitor to make my
NeXTdimension cube 'two headed'.  Cosmetics not as important as image quality. 
Or a compatible monitor, 17'+ 1200x900 (approx) 68 hz vert, and about 61 Khz
horz, greyscale. 
Please e-mail replies to:
jmd@handheld.com

Jim De Arras
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: PixelMagician ships !!!
Keywords: Graphics Viewing Convertingn
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:53:36 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Apr13.195357.1359@bacchus.com>
eric@bacchus.com writes:

>			     FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>
>		A Universal Picture File Viewer and Translator
>			      for NeXT Computers
>
>Santa Monica, CA - April 13, 1992 - Bacchus, Inc. ships version 1.0 of Pixel
>Magician, a universal picture file viewer and translator for NeXT computers
>that allows users to view, import, export and manipulate a wide variety of

Another call for the body politic to rise up en masse in
outrage and annoyance at yet another commercial announcement
in the wrong newsgroup.

We have a moderated group designed *exactly* for the purpose
of issuing press releases about new products.  Invariably,
some person at the vendor concerns takes it upon himself or
herself to violate the intent of the moderation.  I think it
stinks.  It invariably gives me a strong negative reaction to
the company and its products.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: esky@marathon.cs.ucla.edu (Eskandar Ensafi)
Subject: Need Advice on upgrading from 030 to 040 to color
Keywords: nd nextdimension 030 040 turbo color upgrad
Reply-To: esky@mayhem.icsl.ucla.edu
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 21:55:11 GMT

Hi,

I own an 030 cube and I plan to upgrade to a Turbo (33-MHz 040) with  
NeXTdimension.  With all the rumors flying around, I don't know what to do.  I  
mean, is NeXTdimension going to be phased out?  Will it ever have compression?   
Is it better to wait for the rumored RISC system if I'm already waiting for the  
Trubo cube upgrades to come out? (it's a difference of 4-6 months according to  
rumors -- July for the Turbo, September for the RISC.)  Help!!!

Thanks in advance,
Eskandar Ensafi

esky@mayhem.icsl.ucla.edu
esky@marathon.cs.ucla.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jcelam@oops (James Clifton (Cliff) Elam)
Subject: NeXTStep 486 should cost $250
Organization: Global Logistics Venture
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:22:48 GMT

We were just shooting the breeze about NeXT and (soon we hope) a bigger 
market for programmers/software when we started talking about the '486
version.

Our conclusions?  

1> NeXT should sell the runtime stuff for $250 or less.
2> Developers should be able to distribute the run-time (a la' windows 
   in the old days) for close to nothing.
3> The developer version cost is irrelevant - people were developing for
   windows when the SDK cost 2K+.

Just aiming for some discussion that will help guide the marketing weenies
over at NeXT.

Please, no mail, just post the flames :-)

--
                                        - Cliff "I want my NeXTstep 3.0" Elam 
                                         (NeXTmail:jcelam@brownfield.glv.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: dblakele@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dean D Blakeley)
Subject: VA Project (or is NeXT a viable option)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 09:35:04 GMT

I'm posting this for a future colleague who doesn't have net access,
but has a specific need right now for information on workstation
technology for a national group of quality of care researchers in
the VA system.  I was very suprised to hear that the Duke area has
a rather uninformed/unimpressed idea of NeXT primarily to generally
poor support either from NeXT or their CC.  Anyway here goes:

The VA Quality Management Institute located in Durham, North Carolina has
VA-wide responsibility for identifying, developing, and testing information
management approaches that facilitate the imporvement in quality of care
for patients served by the VA healthcare system.  To achieve this goal, the
Institute must establish an efficient and systematic communications
network with workgroups and individuals inside and outside the VA system.

There is a need for a quality management database that integrates the data
(lab, pharmacy, radiology, demographic, and specialty oriented data)
collected in the VA's hospital information system with customer need,
severity of illness, system support, process, and outcome measures
collected off the VA's [VAX-based] HIS (Hospital Information System).

Frontline staff, care teams, quality management professionals, and top
management must be able to care given, care occuring, and care that could
be provided using agreed-upon, realistic, and objective measures and
standards.  All staff should have the opportunity to identify statistical
norms and variations from these norms.  Individual staff and teams should
have access to ad hoc and routine reports that present quantitative data
in a visually understandable fashion and that potentiates the initiation
of action for care improvement.

What specific, objective opinions do NeXT users have of the applicability
of a NeXT workstation for:  1) communication, 2) workgroup productivity,
3) creation of a seamless, very user friendly interface between the HIS
[Hospital Information System], data collection instruments, an integrated
database management system, analytical tools, and report generation
capabilities.

Charles O Beauchamp, MD PhD
Director, VA Quality Management Institute
Department of Veterans Affairs
Medical Center
508 Fulton Street
Durham NC 27705

Any replies to my box will be forwarded down to Durham.  If this group
bites on NeXT, I'll be happy as a clam, because then I can have NeXT's
at home as well as work.

Peace
-- 
| Dean D Blakeley, MD            |  This ain't no party.  This ain't no disco |
| Division of General Medicine   |  This ain't no fooling around.             |
| 4510 UHC, 456 W 10th Ave       |  - David Byrne                             |
| Columbus OH 43210-1228         |  NeXTMail accepted                         |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: scotty@gagetalker.com (Scott Turner)
Subject: Re: Is the NeXT Computer DEAD? (Response to SunWorld NeXT review)
Organization: L5 Computing
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 06:23:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.161700.8486@next.cambridge.ma.us> simsong (Simson L.
Garfinkel) writes:
>I'm surprised that you say that 12-bit color is not satisfactory, as you get  
>more colors on the screen than with an 8-bit color map.
>
>I've spoken with people at the MIT Media Lab about  the NeXTstation Color,  
>including some professional animators.  Much to their surprise, they told me, 
>12=bit color is good enough so that you really can't see the difference.  This
>is probably due to PostScript's superior rendering capabilities.
>
>Have you actually looked at a 12-bit color system, or are you just saying that
>it is not satisfactory because of dogma?
>-- 
>
>.................................................................simson
Sigh, I couldn't pass up that "superior rendering" statement. Superior to what?

As for this color space issue, each side, CLUT vs TRUECOLOR has it's pluses and
it's minuses. A CLUT onto a 24 bit DAC (or even the 18 bit space of a PC VGA)
can outperform a 15 or 12 bit TC display for the simple reason that the CLUT
can provide the EXACT color required, leaving less error to be spread around
via an error distribution method. A CLUT also allows the slection of a color
that provides for a closer fit, making for less error to be distributed.

Whenever error has to be spread around the image gets blurry/fuzzy. And if the
image has already been error distributed, as with most GIF's, the method used
in the image often causes noticable clashes with the method used by the TC
display system.

I think alot of people get hung up on 8 bit CLUTs. What I want in a NeXT Color
slab are two things:
1. A !@#$ working swapfile!!!
2. 12 bit CLUT into a 24 bit color space.

But Postscript doesn't do CLUT's so item two is impossible. Which is sad since
a 12 bit CLUT color slab wouldn't cost much more and would give ND colorspace
performance under most conditions. And you could still do 12 bit TC if it
was needed. The CLUT might have a hardware cursor, which would speed up
Postscript drawing operations (as well as get rid of the "peek-a-boo"
cursor which appears to be the current acceleration method.) CLUTs also make  
things like blinking text insertion point markers less expensive.

But this is where NS486 comes in, accelerated 24 bit video is inexpensive on
PC's. But it's my bet the swapfile is busted there too, sigh.

Scotty
From: kowal@aludra.usc.edu (Brian Kowal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: 2400 Baud Modem at Home
Date: 8 Apr 1992 01:32:22 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

This may be a FAQ, but I have not seen it as of yet.

I have a 2400 Dove Fax modem, and am interested in using NewsGrazer, and the 
NeXT mail app.  Do I have to get a special permission from the University to 
connect up directly, or can I use these programs at home with the standard
Data Modem?

E-mail accepted.

Thanks in advance.


Brian A. Kowal	
kowal@aludra.usc.edu 

Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 12:01:17 -0400 
From: "Joseph A. Hollowood" <jh6l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: The future is not NeXTstep!

You may be right, Taligent may be better than NeXTstep is TODAY, but as
Steve Jobs said at Expo, NeXT isn't standing still.

Joe

_______________
joe hollowood
-cmu NeXT cc-

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: Did comp.sys.next.richposts pass?
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:21:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.205632.556@cs.mcgill.ca> samurai@uriel.cs.mcgill.ca  
(Darcy Brockbank) writes:
> (Why does one 700k MIME file that so few can read draws almost NO 
> remark, yet a couple uuencoded NG posts upset so many people?

Better check your USENET connection - that MIME post
caused quite a few flames, as well as some constructive
discussion of such standards, and the future of
NewsGrazer... 

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: cl50@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Chengi  Lin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Need Advice on upgrading from 030 to 040 to color
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:26:06 GMT
Reply-To: cl50@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Chengi  Lin)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Apr9.004547.8978@leland.Stanford.EDU> m@crito.Stanford.EDU (M Carling) writes:
>
>The Turbo cube board started shipping nearly two weeks ago.
>
How much does it cost?


---cl



	[] Cheng-I Lin		[] SEAS, Columbia University
	[] Internet:	cl50@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jgrace@netcom.com (Joseph Grace)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: THANKS for: Help fixing "dropped characters" problem using tip.
Date: 15 Apr 92 06:42:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.atyj_j=.jgrace
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

The modem now works, and I would like to thank everyone who
sent or posted suggestions, especially:

  -Marcel
  andrew@cubetech.com
  monty%roscom@think.com

I am now using ttyfa instead of ttya.  The local and remote
modems were setup fine.

Unfortunately, noone seems to know how to make tip totally transparent.
But at least now tip doesn't hang on file t[akes]!!! Yay!

= Joe =
From: cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Is the NeXTStation Turbo vertically disadvantaged?
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:09:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamsun.12171

Dick Silbar writes
> Yesterday our group secretary received her new NeXTStation Turbo

dang, and us CC's are still running '030's!! WHIIIIINNNNNE!!

> (monochrome)

oh, well .. ok then :-)

[...]
> Rachel is one of those vertically challenged people (she's even shorter
> than I am) and after an hour or so of playing with the machine, her neck
> started getting tired with all that looking upward.  We had mounted
> the monitor on top of the horizontal slab.

Gee, I heard the TURBO's all come with a guarantee of weekly back-rubs  
from Jeff Martin in Developer Support! Have you filed with bug_next to get  
Rachel signed up?

> putting the slab on its right-hand side, standing up,
[...]
> QUESTION: is there any good reason why we _shouldn't_ leave Rachel's
> slab standing in its upright position? 

I've read in several places that hard drives need to remain in the same  
orientation in which they were formatted.

NeXT?

	chuck
From: bryce_jasmer@next.com (Bryce Jasmer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Help! Cannot run NewsGrazer (SOLUTION)
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:24:14 GMT

Ramesh Dodamani writes
>When I run NewsGrazer, it displays the opening screen saying
>'Locating active newsgroups' and then dies. When I run it from a terminal
>I get a message saying 'Bus error'.

It turns out that NewsGrazer bites it when it encounters a newsgroup whose  
name has about 10 or more '.' in its name. There was an alt group created  
recently that had just this characteristic. The only solution at this point  
is to plead to your News administrator and have him/her delete the offending  
newsgroup from your site. 

Bryce Jasmer
bjasmer@next.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: frank@fnbc.com (Frank Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Diagram! Engage! Enough!
Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 17:40:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.051620.7708@shaman.com> jiro@shaman.com (Jiro Nakamura)  
writes:
> 	Is that the new name for Concurrence, Concurrence?  
> [...] 
> 	I think I will rename The Shaman Group, The Shaman Group. 
> That's "The Shaman Group." full stop. Should get editors real confused.  
> :-)  

This could be a trend.  How about renaming a few other apps to include  
non-alphanumeric characters?  Examples:

	Icon#@!$*#@!!?!
	Mathematica$$$$$$$$$
	Nextstep3.0...........................................

:o)

--
Frank Mitchell,	Business Systems Analyst, First National Bank of Chicago
email:frank@fnbc.com
My opinions are my own, and in no way reflect those of First Chicago, .
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,from.socal.com
From: robert@nextoid.sw.socal.com (Robert Patrick Thille)
Subject: Re: rn or nn on the NeXT?
Keywords: news reader
Reply-To: robert@nextoid.sw.socal.com (Robert Patrick Thille)
Organization: Successive Waves, NeXTWare, CA USA
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:07:37 GMT


Sorry if this is a duplicate posting, I forgot to crosspost to the other  
groups the first time.

First of all, thanks for the replies.

Well, of the four replies I got to my posting about newsreader software  
for the next, three recommended getting trn.  So that's what I'm going  
with.

Steve Boker had this to say:
> I would suggest getting trn which has the best of nn and rn
> plus some other goodies.  Get it from
> 
> ftp.uu.net
> 
> In the directory news/trn
> 
> The package is easy to install.  It knows about NeXTisms
> and works well.  I have installed it on several machines
> here at UVa. 
> 

So, the only thing I'm worried about now is whether I'll need nntp or not,   
As this is a stand-alone machine using flat files for my news.  I just use  
newsgrazer, but I have some friends dialing in...

Thanks again,

Robert
-- 
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robert@nextoid.sw.socal.com   NeXT Guru??????  OK At All
robert@nextoid.uucp (SLOW!)   NeXT Guru!!!!!!  E-Mail
14053 Foothill Rd. CA 93060   Well, maybe :-)  Addresses