HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: redrum@carson.u.washington.edu (Joe Stremick)
Subject: Re: More BR stuff (Ha!, bet you dont have -BR- in your kill file!)
Keywords: BladeRunner images, eyes, and . . .
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:47:23 GMT

In article <10605@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> muzzle@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>In <1992Oct9.052419.17381@u.washington.edu> redrum@carson.u.washington.edu (Joe Stremick) writes:
>
>
>>	In addition to the prevalent(sp?) images of eyes in the film
>>(not only "the windows of the soul," but also challenging the way
>>we *see* and perceive reality: "Your eyes can deceive you; don't 
>>trust them," as one wise old man once said.), there are, especially
>>near the end, several powerful images of *hands*.  Exhibit A:  Both
>>Batty and Deckard have injured hands, and several scenes are 
>>cross-cut, showing both of them trying to 'repair' their hands.
>>Also, Roy's hand is shown close up many times.  There are several
>>other points during the film where these images pop up, as well.
>
>Let me be the first (this time, at least) to draw the analogy of this to the
>wounds of crucifixion.
>
>ObMisconception: Most works of art depict Christ crucified by nails being driven
>through his palm.  Students of anatomy or history (or anyone who has tried it)
>know that the nails are driven through the wrist, as the weight of the crucifiee
>can't be supported by a palm shattered by an iron bolt.
>
>
>Murray Chapman
>--
>~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
>  Murray Chapman                           muzzle@cs.uq.oz.au
>  University of Queensland                 How many lightbulb jokes does it
>  Brisbane, Australia                      take to change the subject?

	Actually, in the book _Retrofitting Blade Runner_, Ridley Scott
says that, although you can interpret it that way, the nail-through-the
hand sequence was never meant as a Christ/crucifixion symbol.  I can't
remember off the top of my head why he chose this image - something
about how swimmers' hands cramp up, I think - but I remember him having
some other symbolic meaning applied to the hand.  Perhaps something
about losing control of your body/impotence.  But, like everything else
in this film, this sequence is subject to the viewers interpretation.

|----------------------------------------------------------------------|
|-Joe Stremick,               |"But I was going in to Toshe Station to |
|       a.k.a. Redrum         |pick up some power converters!"         |
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From: APLer@cup.portal.com (Roland Walter Besserer)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: A CLOCKWORK ORANGE
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 19:41:52 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Oct5.111742.14824@alf.uib.no>

>And if you like Malcom McDowell, you ought to see Caligula.  Those two are
>the only two decent he has hade.  To my knowledge. 
>But make sure you don't pick up the 1.5 hour version.  It's so badly cut
>there's nothing left! 

Actually, he was quite interesting in 'Cat People', a movie I first
saw as part of a double feature with 'Wolfen' and both are now in my
disk collection.

roland
From: ckalin@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Christopher Allen Kalin)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Missing Aliens footage
Date: 14 Oct 1992 14:11:07 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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The LaserDisc version also includes some footage never even seen in the
theaters.  For example, at the very beginning, we actually meet Newt's
father leading a party of explorers into the alien ship; this clip ends with
a Facehugger grabbing on to Newt's father's face.  There was the sentry scene
everyone is talking about; there also was a lot more "filler" material shot
inside the ship before the Marines woke up.

Ckalin
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From: torsten@daimi.aau.dk (Torsten B. Hagemann)
Subject: Spinal Tap, video in EUROPEAN format, please help
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 16:49:09 GMT

As the subject says, I would be very happy if anybody could help me getting a
copy of the movie Spinal Tap, on a video that fits the European system. Be
aware that our system is different from the USA system.

It is not possible to get this movie in Denmark, don't ask me why, which leaves
me to the mercy of the net.

Thank you in advance.

Torsten.

--
The flesh is willing, and the spirit is weak. 
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From: cole@lea.csc.ncsu.edu (Robert Cole)
Subject: Re: The Rocky Horror Picture LASER-DISC!!!
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:30:46 GMT

jfr@RedBrick.COM writes:

>Always one to jump on a hot rumor (but this is definitely NO rumor :-)

>There will be a Rocky Horror Picture Show laserdisc released sometime
>in the very near future.  No, this is not the infamous Japanese disc
>that has traveled the various underground circuits and such, but a
>real honest-to-goodness laser-disc for domestic (no, not Magenta!)
>consumption.  I would expect this pressing to include the Superheroes
>number that was not included in the home video release (sigh...). 

>I have this on authority from someone who must remain unnamed at the
>laserdisc company (also unnamed) where the mastering is being done.

I have always secretly hoped for a Criterion release.  Scripts, audience
participation lines, lyrics, etc. could be added as supplementals.  But
the perfect disk would include a secondary audio track (a very neat
capability of LDs) of audience participation.  Since such a recording
alreadys exists (the audience participation album -- how I wish it were
on CD), it would be trivial to add.  There's a fantastic collector's set
ready to go -- someone just needs to put all the pieces together.

Robert G. Cole
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From: dsc@gemini.tmc.edu (Doug S. Caprette Bldg. 28 W191 x3892)
Subject: Re: BR: replicants are not human
Keywords: bladerunner, replicants, human, empathy
Organization: NASA GSFC CDP VLBI
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:22:29 GMT

In article <Bvq2zB.Mwt@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au> kinsler@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Paul Kinsler) writes:
>...
>I think we have to be careful here. Remember that 
>replicants are separated out from humans by testing
>for *instinctive* empathic responses - which they
      ^^^^^^^^^^^
      Here, I disagree.  I feel that the responses are learned by humans
by growing up in human society.  Babies in general show little empathy.
It is because the replicants were created in adult form, and placed in a
society devoid of empathy (Pris is a prostitute, Roy and Leon are in the
militery, Zhora is an asassin) rather than being raised from children,
that they do not have empathy. The sophistication of the Nexus 6 opened 
up the possibility that the replicants could develop 'their own emotional 
responses' which, if they included empathy, would make them indistinguishable 
from 'real' humans.

This "nature vs. nurture" argument, is related to the theme of the film.

Note that Roy succeeds in developing empathy, first for his fellow replicants
(he is very upset at Leon and Zhora's deaths, more so than Pris), and even-
tually even for Deckard.  At the moment he saves Deckard he has become fully
human.  The point to the film is that it is not the origins of a being that 
matter, it is what that being does with its free will.

>did not have _at all/to the same degree_ as 
>humans (I am not exactly sure of the situation in 
>BR, in Do Androids Dream OES they had no empathy
>at all response. I also realise the book is not 
>the film).

Interestingly enough, Deckard had no empathy for the androids in DADEOS, but
he was very worried that he might develop some.   Deckard in BR starts out
with empathy toward them.

>
>Replicants are *not* human. Whether you should
>treat them as slaves is another matter.
>-- 

But, the distinction between replicant and human is an arbitrary one, once 
the replicant develops empathy.  That is essential to an understanding of the
movie.  And, apparently all the Nexus 6 needed to do this, was sufficient time
and experience.

--
dsc@gemini.gsfc.nasa.gov  
 |  Regards,         |   Hughes STX                |    Code 926.9 GSFC        |
 |  Doug Caprette    |   Lanham, Maryland          |    Greenbelt, MD  20771   |
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"Some who have read the book, or at any rate have reviewed it, have found it
 boring, absurd, or contemptible, and I have no cause to complain, since I have 
 similar opinions of their works..." -- JRR Tolkien
From: 6500cws@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Christopher Wade Skinner)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: RIDLEY SCOTT on the screen
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:03:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.170920.1440@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> marulanda@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
>I don't expect a faux-pas from someone like RS.   

All I can say is: Legend.

I think you noticed that ol' Gerard had some problems in Greencard.


>P.S.
>What has Ridley Scott done after 1982?

All that really matters is Thelma and Louise.  God bless 'em.

cws

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From: fernee@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Mark Fernee)
Subject: Re: Brazil
Organization: Physics Dept. The University of Queensland
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 06:38:23 GMT

I believe Brasil to be one of the best Black comedies that I have ever seen.
So how can a successful black comedy have a happy ending? The uncut version,
with that final *brilliant* ending, makes this one of the most brilliant movies
ever made (IMHO). Every time I see it, I catch a little bit extra. There is so
much detail throughout this movie. It all sows together to create a consistent,
bizzarre society where administration has run wild. I appreciate it all the more
because it fits together so tightly. Why should editors be allowed to slash
someones masterpiece because they feel that an unhappy ending will not sell?

I think this mainstream mentality of castrating brilliant creations to make them
sell in the US market, SUCKS GREATLY. I have heard a rumour that the ending in
Heathers was changed in this fashion. The version that I saw had the protagonist
blowing himself up, where-as I understand that the original ending had him also
blowing up the whole school. Can someone confirm this?

I still fail to see how War of the Roses was allowed to finish with such a
dark ending. Another great black comedy.

Speaking of brilliant endings. Has anyone seen The Bedford Incident? It stars
William Holden and Sidney Poitier (sp). It is about a US destroyer chasing a
Russian sub out of Danish waters during the cold war period of the 50s. It is
a tense movie. The tension builds throughout the course of the movie to a 
truly fantastic, and surprising climax. 

Mark.
From: chl@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Carsten Lechte)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: THE MOST STUPID FILM
Date: 10 Oct 92 19:25:13 GMT
Organization: Point of Presence & MCS Hamburg

jalauros@sara.cc.utu.fi writes:

>THE most stupid Movie i've ever seen is..






> AMERICAN NINJA 

>IS IT A COMEDY OR WHAT?

No, it's real:-(

But wait til you've seen parts 2 to 4:-)


--
Viele Gruesse, Carsten Lechte.
D-W-2000 Norderstedt, Germany
From: donnell@mantaray.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: GODZILLA VS KING KONG ????
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:05:25 GMT
Organization: none

In article <1992Oct6.155127.16970@coli.uni-sb.de> mafu@sbustd.rz.uni-sb.de (Markus Fuenfrocken) writes:
>Hi there,
>
>I'm looking for a film title of a 70's Godzilla-movie ! I thought it
>was called "Godzilla vs King-Kong" but i'm not shure !
>
>I was about 8 years old and saw it in a cheap cinema. All i can remember is
>the following:
>
>There were some extra-terestrians in caves under the earth. When killed,
>their faces changed to a green, ape-like  something........I remember this
>scene had a nice effect on me... (big adrenalin-punch to my stomach!)
>
>The other scene i remember is Gozilla fighting agains an iron robot with
>rocket-fingers which looked like a copy of Godzilla (or was it King-Kong???)
>
>Did anybody see this film ,too and remembers his name ??? Contact me !
>
>
>Thanx, M.F.
>
>
>

This is a 60's Godzilla film, and a sequel to "King Kong Escapes".  
Supposedly, it was based on a story idea by Willis O'Brien who had helped
to make the original "King Kong". Mecha-Godzilla <The Robot Godzilla> shows
up to add to the lunacy. 
It's cheesy, but fun!

					--Judex--
From: x3460afe@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: r.kern
Date: 12 Oct 92 10:09:09 GMT
Reply-To: x3460afe@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA

just viewed the richard kern volumes one and two (film threat)...
highly recommended.....oh, and kieth allison is the godfather of gainesville
Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:20:17 -0400 
From: "Noah J. Adams" <na0r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Bad Taste?

	I guess that this movie (Bad Taste) qualifies as a cult film.  It is
one of my absolute favorites of all time.  Could anyone tell me of any
other films by this director.  I believe his name was Peter Jackson, and
if you watch the credits, he also played the part of Robert(My Favorite
character other than maybe Derrick).  Any information or insights would
be appreciated.

	"Suck my spinning steel shithead"
		-Noah
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: stuff
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:45:12 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Oct7.144059.1408@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_falkrg@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>> (*stuff deleted*)
>> See the original Highlander movie (the REAL Highlander).  You get
>> flashbacks between 1985 and 1536/1541.  In the present, Lambert (Connor)
>> uses the same accent he used in the show.  In the past, he has
>> a more Scottish accent.
>
>	Don't forget that marvelous duel in 1783.  I was rolling when I saw
>that for the first time.

Ah, yes.  A great scene.  I should have said the *main* flashbacks
were to 1536 and 1541.  Doesn't matter.

Now, if I can just get the additional footage from the European
release... (I *HAVE* to see the scene in 1942!)

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
From: uandrewl@mcl.ucsb.edu (Mein Le)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Heavy Metal
Summary: Where to get a copy of Heavy Metal?
Keywords: Heavy Metal info wanted!
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:29:27 GMT

Hello everyone!  I am a Heavy Metal fan and looking for a copy of it.  
If anyone out there has a copy and wants to sell or lend, please  send me
an email at uandrewl@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu.  thanks a lot.

Andrew Le
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From: vnelson@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Gerald Vernon Nelson)
Subject: Re: the absolute worst movie of all time,
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 01:35:46 GMT

In (GUNNAR HORRIGMO) writes:

>I'll tell ya: Any Woody Allen movie is the absolute worst movie of all time.
>I'd wish that guy'd get a grip. Mr. Allen and his jewish family have been 
>sitting round a dinner table, talking shit for 20 years.
>Hell, they're eating all the time in his movies.

You ain't been watchin movies long enough..

His first films, "Sleeper", "Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex..."
were hysterical.  Unfortunately, he got "artsy" about 20 years ago,
and now I fall asleep at his movies.

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From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: GODZILLA VS KING KONG ????
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:43:19 GMT

In article 20751@news.columbia.edu, dave@blackbox.cc.columbia.edu (David Milner) writes:
> In article <1992Oct7.133030.23167@shearson.com> scarrobi@shearson.com writes:
> >there was also another one where king kong went against i robot of himself ...
> >
> >---
> >Steve C. 
> >
> > ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
> >                             - Just fools who think they are.
> >---------------------------------------------------------------		
> > I understand you need someone to do work.
> > I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
> >    -Vladimir Taltos
> >---------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >   	
> >
> >
> That film is KINGU KONGU NO GYAKUSHU, or KING KONG ESCAPES, and it 
> was released in Japan in 1967.
> 
> It was based on the KING KONG animated cartoon that ran on Saturday
> mornings.
> 
> By the way, did you know that Linda Miller, who played the blond nurse
> named Susan in the film, is Jackie Gleason's daughter?
> 
> 
> 
> David Milner  Columbia University
> inet:   dave@blackbox.cc.columbia.edu
> usenet: ...rutgers!columbia!blackbox!dave
>         ...rutgers!columbia!blackbox.cc.columbia.edu!dave


now i do .. thanx 
---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
---------------------------------------------------------------		
 I understand you need someone to do work.
 I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
    -Vladimir Taltos
---------------------------------------------------------------

   	


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From: donnell@manowar.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: Valley Girl/Beyond The Valley Of The Dolls & Shatner/Nimoy...on CD?!
Organization: none
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:19:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.182857.20618@wam.umd.edu> dododge@wam.umd.edu (David O. Dodge) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.175004.2707@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@orca.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
>>In article <farant.1ua2@terapin.com> farant@terapin.com (Faran Thomason) writes:
>>>How many folks out there have actually seen Beyond The Valley of The Dolls ??
>>>
>>>This is the one Roger Ebert wrote and Russ Myers biggest budgeted film.
>>
>>How many of you knew that Roger Ebert also scripted
>>"Beneath The Valley Of The Ultra-Vixens", and wrote "Mudhoney" under a fake
>>name<!!!>. 
>
>I've heard this rumor before. Is there any proof (like Ebert admitting
>it in print)? BTVOTUV had some extremely good narration. I suppose I
>could always call Russ Meyer's company and ask, but I'm not sure they'd
>tell me.
>
>>I swear I have seen this for sale from a couple of places that deal mainly
>>in Meyers films, recently.
>
>Meyers himself handles all of his movies *except* BTVOTD, so if it was in
>with the rest of his films it'd be pretty easy to spot (Meyer's video
>boxes generally look alike).
>
>> I could be wrong. I'll check...
>
>It certainly couldn't be a new copy, but there is that old edition (MVE?)
>out there. I've only seen one rental place that actually had a copy of an
>original tape (Video Vault in DC).
>
>                                            -Dave Dodge/dododge@wam.umd.edu
>

Ebert has admitted the authorship of both "BTVOTUV" and "BTVOTD" on his
TV show several times. Siskel likes to bring it up from time to time, when 
Roger is making asinine statements about Sex and Violence in films. <Not
often enough, though. IMHO>
Michael Weldon mentioned the authorship of "Mudhoney" in a recent issue
of "Psychotronic Video". 
I am sure that Roger must have admitted authorship of at least one of these
films in his books. His ego would demand it. I believe "BTVOTUV' carries
his name in the credits. He also wrote, reported in various sources at the
time including High Times, Creem, and others; the original script for 
the Sex Pistol's movie "Who Killed Bambi" which Meyers was to direct.
Despite the Pistol's desire to work with Meyers, the film was scrapped.
Any footage that exists would be incorporated into "The Great Rock and Roll
Swindle", which is what "Who Killed Bambi" eventually became, with another
director and writer. Too Bad.

Anybody got a copy of the video Russ Meyers did for Faster Pussycat?
I think it was "Bathroom Wall"... 
I hate the band, but I gotta see Meyers first rock video...

I checked my sources, and I wan indeed in error about the availability of
"BTVOTD". Maybe we should start a letter writing campaign to The Movie
Channel. I bet Joe Bob Briggs would love to show this one on his 
"Drive-In Theatre". 

					--Judex--
From: epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Most SHOCKING film in my childhood
Date: 10 Oct 92 02:27:40 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <1992Oct9.164258.11033@coli.uni-sb.de>, mafu@sbustd.rz.uni-sb.de (Markus Fuenfrocken) writes:
> Hi there,
> 
> The first one was "METALUNA 4 DON'T RESPOND" (this is the english trans-
> lation of the GERMAN film-title !)
> 
The English title is "This Island Earth".  It starred Rex Reason - my
favorite B-movie science fiction actor name.

> It had a nasty ant-like alien on the end with two big round eyes and a 
> large brain that was raising on his head. And there were tubes where people
> stood in and were x-rated. 

I'm pretty sure you mean x-rayed -- but maybe the European release was
different!

> 
> So much for this time. Whats your fafourite SHOCKING CULT-MOVIE ??
> Please follow-up !!!
> 

The Brain That Wouldn't Die worked for me.  Also Homicidal.  All I
remember was the opening wedding scene, but that's enough!  (The best
wedding ever filmed - better even than The Graduate)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lorne Epp                                               epp@mala.bc.ca
From: bart@muppet.bt.co.uk (Tim)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: A CLOCKWORK ORANGE
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:14:53 GMT
Reply-To: bart@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom

In article 28377@aosg.gsf.dec.com, montyb@alpha.aosg.gsf.dec.com (Monty C. Brandenberg) writes:
>Yes, "O Lucky Man" is an interesting and amusing movie.  Another that I
>haven't seen is "Flashman" based on one or more of Frazer's Flashman
>novels.  This isn't available in the US but does anyone know if this
>is available *anywhere* in the world?  Or has anyone seen it?  The novels
>are very amusing with solid historical backgrounds that should have been
>a lesson for writers like Mitchner (sp?) and Clavell.  Having Malcolm
>McDowell play Flashman would seem to be a very good idea...
>
>						Monty

The film was called Royal Flash. It also starred Oliver Reed I think. Its been on
UK television numerous times. I think it was made about '74-'76 ish ?

Tim

"Oh no, not the hairbrush again !"	from bizarre 'sex' scene in Royal Flash
From: kjm@buc.edu.au (Kevin Moore)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: the absolute worst movie of all time,
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:47:40 GMT
Organization: Physics Department - Ballarat University College
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In article <1992Oct7.132706.23029@shearson.com> scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis) writes:

> what was that 3-d flick .. something across the forbidden xone ... with 
Richard Mull

Spacehunters: Adventures in the Forbidden Zone? 

I'm not sure whether my headache was due to the 3-D or the plot, such as it 
was... 

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