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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 05:24:00 EDT
From:         "Composition Digest (Robert Royar,
              Moderator)" <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>
Subject:      (Fwd: *C&CD*) Shakespearean Birthday Assignment (1)

Date:          Wed, 15 Apr 1992 05:01:56 EDT
From:          BITNET%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET"  Robert Royar (C&CD Moderator)
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Subject:       Shakespearean Birthday Assignment (1)
Reply-to:      BITNET%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET"  Robert Royar
Organization:  Department of English, New York Institute of Technology

The traditional birthday for William Shakespeare is 23 April 1564 (428 years
next Thursday).  A tradition at U of L was to hold a reading round on that day
to read through all the sonnets.  Readers signed up for it from on and off
campus, and listeners wandered in and out of the readings all day.  I invite
net readers to begin a similar tradition.

The Task

Choose a sonnet (doesn't matter if others choose the same one) and on his
Traditional Birthday (or the night before) upload the sonnet along with a
response to it.

What is a Response?

The response could be
  o  an explication,
  o  a rhetorical analysis,
  o  an impression,
  o  a remembrance,
  o  a poem of your own,
  o  a story about teaching the sonnet you've chosen,
  o  a lesson plan centered on the sonnet,
  o  a student's response to the sonnet in class,
  o  an Interchange transcript of a session focused on the sonnet,
  o  a justification for your choice,
  o  any or all of the above.

The assignment (a TGIT or a TGI(F-1)) is very open ended.  The point is to
celebrate the other side of Shakespeare's work, and to have some fun.  Perhaps
even we can discover some new ways to teach his writing.

 --Robert Royar (r0mill01@ulkyvx.bitnet) New York Institute of Technology

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From:         Roni Keane <VKEANE@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: distance Interchange sessions

Although our hopefully-soon-to-be operational computer classroom will not have
a fibre optic connection to start with, I am interested in distance Interchange
session.I must be nuts looking for more problems even before I get to the probl
ems I soon will be having!--Roni
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:09:00 MDT
From:         LHAMPLYONS@CUDENVER.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Feminist list

WMST-L is a very fine and active list.  Send to ListServ@umdd.bitnet
Liz Hamp-Lyons
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 08:23:35 EDT
From:         Mary Alm <T270102@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Our stories

Stories about how we became acquainted and committed to e-mail--
I like to tell my stories (who doesn't?)

Mark Harris, from Jackson CC way up there in Mich., spent a year way down
here in the low country completing the coursework and exams for his Ph.D.
He told me about MBU, helped me get signed on, and the rest took care of
itself.  It was my first year in composition studies and I immediately started
learning from the on-line conversations; I found MBU a good supplement to my
studies.  In turn, I have touted the beneifts of MBU to friends and colleagues,
including writing a news item about the list for our graduate studies comp/rhet
newsletter.  I have begun to collect a personal mailing list and enjoy getting
(and sending) short notes from friends scattered here and there.  I WANT
EVERYONE I KNOW TO HAVE A MODEM!!  I'm looking forward to reading the other
TGIF stories.  --Mary at Univ. of S.C.
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 14:36:08 EDT
From:         Bill Condon <USERLCBK@UMICHUM.BITNET>
Subject:      distance Interchange sessions

Good question, Dickie (about Interchange and Internet).  I've been following
this strand about interchange and shiva netmodems too, hoping to see ways we
might do something with it.  Our Confer II setup does work over the
internet, but it depends on that net's speed, so conversations really
couldn't be even very close to synchronous over the internet, though we can
come close in class or just locally over MTS.  My students and the JCC
students have carriedon essentialy synchrounous conversations this term, as
both classes meet on T-Th at 1:00, and it does add a sense of immediacy to
the mix.

I'm hoping to collaborate with David Joliffe this winter, linking writing
classes from six or eight universities together, but this project is still
VERY preliminary.  Still trying to find out if it's possible, and if so, how
to do it without being driven insane.

Something else strikes me:  Is MTU on MTS (Michigan Telecommunications
System)?  I know NMU is, but I don't know about your place.  If it is, then
collaboration with another Michigan school would probably be easy--easier,
I think, than using the Internet.

What I started out to say was, FRED:  we'd like to hear more about the Shiva
experiment, and MARK: how about a synopsis of your CCCC or NYIT presentation
on your collaboration with St Pete?  As more of us become familiar with how
these possibilities are developing, I think we can mount more and mor eof
these projects.  Who knows, maybe get a grant?
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:26:00 CDT
From:         "David H. Roberts" <DHROBERT@SAMFORD.BITNET>

On Mon, 13 Apr 1992 10:53:06 CDT <C497487@UMCVMB> said:
>Subject: Re: list of fem. lists?
>In-Reply-To:  DHROBERT@SAMFORD -- Sun, 12 Apr 1992 11:03:55 CDT
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>>FEMREL-L AT UMCVBM
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>Just a minor correction on Dave's very helpful list
>of lists on women's issues.  The above should be
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>FEMREL-L AT UMCVMB
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>Cathy Quick
>c497487@umcvmb



Mea culpa!  Sorry for the transposition.
dave
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:57:43 EDT
From:         TPAMM@CONNCOLL.BITNET
Subject: Re: nothing to teach--problem finding

I'd like some ofthe information on problem-formulating that you've been talk-
ing about.  I tried to write to you before, but had problems getting through.
MY snail mail address is Box 5313 Connecticut College, New London, Ct 06320--
e-mail tpamm@conncoll.bitnet   Thanks, Theresa Ammirati
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:09:42 -0700
From:         "Carolyn P. Handa" <CPHANDA@UCDAVIS.BITNET>
Subject:      Chemistry list?

Megabuds:
        A colleague of mine is wondering whether anyone knows
of an MBU-type list for chemistry instructors.  If so, please
email her directly with your information:
                Linda Zarzana
                American River College
                email:  lszarzana@ucdavis.edu
Thanks very much.

Carolyn Handa
American River College
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 11:52:04 CDT
From:         Eric Crump <LCERIC@UMCVMB.MISSOURI.EDU>
Subject:      TGIF, hook 'em, reel 'em in, fry 'em up for dinner

I've had some success using print to sucker print-oriented types into
trying electronic communication. I make hard copy of particularly
scintillating threads (usually five or six sparkling, provocative
comments) that I know my victim will be interested in. Place
them in the person's mailbox without fanfare. Just a simple note:
thought you'd find this interesting.

A few days later, a chance meeting in the hall, and the person
will say, Hey, how do I get in on that network thing-a-ma-bob?
Have made a three or four converts that way. And they, of course,
spread the Word. The Word is spreading.

I also got the idea to follow up with aid to network neophytes.
Suggested we set up a tutorial consulting service consisting
of experienced faculty and grad student users who could
work one-to-one with folks new to CMC, help get them over
the first few hurdles, give them some of the essential
terminology, etc. There are few classes that serve this
function and I doubt faculty, especially, will ever flock
to beginner's level classes of any kind. The department
chair thinks it might work, so we'll give it a go.

What do others do to help converts?

I got started a little more than a year ago when my boss invited me
to sit in on an intro to e-mail course with her. I missed the first
two weeks of an eight week course, but got enough basic help, enough
of a boost, that I could continue the climb myself (well, not by
myself, exactly. What I learned was where to go and who to ask for
help online). The first list I signed onto was a Desert Storm
discussion group. There were enraged pacifists, roaring warmongers,
people from Saudi Arabia and Israel giving reports from near the
action, stories of shielding the children during Scud attacks,
finding shrapnel on the front porch in the morning, fear,
apprehension, pride, anger--all from the people who were *there*
*as* things happened. CNN seemed melodramatic and hokey by
comparison.

And I soon stumbled on MBU and found a home.

I did, in fact, surpass my mentor, the teacher of that first intro
to e-mail course. Part of the reason is that he was subsequently
promoted to acting chair of his department and lost a lot of the
time he might have devoted to CMC.

I took over the e-mail course for him, have since started four
listserv lists of my own. Sure, I'm an addict, but like Bill
(I think it was) I'm not looking for a cure.

I think Marilyn was closer to the mark than you allow, Dickie.
A person *could* get an education on the network lists. In
some ways it might be better than the ones they get in the
classroom. It's not an exaggeration so much as an idea
that has almost, but not quite, arrived. But soon...

Eric Crump
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:10:00 EDT
From:         "Composition Digest (Robert Royar,
              Moderator)" <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>
Subject:      (Fwd: *C&CD*) electronic texts (1)

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 09:18:25 EDT
From: seltzer@ics.enet.dec.com
Message-id: <9204131318.AA23328@us1rmc.mso.dec.com>
Subject: electronic texts (1)
Reply-to: Computers & Composition Digest (R. Royar) <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>

There appear to be many sources for electronic texts, but the most ambitious
and systematic is the Gutenberg Project.  Their texts are available for
ftp from mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu in two directories:
etext92 and etext/etext91

I don't recall exactly the size of Wuthering Heights.  But I believe I was
able to fit it on a couple of 8" floppy disks.  (The complete King James Bible
is 2 megabytes).

Complete Shakespeare (each play a separate file) is available by ftp from
terminator.cc.umich.edu
in directory:
~ftp/shakespeare
There are subdirectories for tragedies, comedies, histories, etc.  They are
all in compressed (.Z) format.

The Open Book Initiative also has many texts for ftp in directory
~ftp/obi

Also, Brendan Kehoe's Zen and the Art of the Internet is available by ftp from
liberty.uc.wlu.edu
in directory /pub/lawlib
in document zeninter.txt

Is anybody using these things now for composition classes?  I'm trying to
encourage the schools that my kids go to (Milton Academy, Newton Country Day,
and St. Sebastian's) to give it a try.  It would be useful if I could give the
teachers examples of how others have used this resource.

Richard Seltzer
Digital Equipment

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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 05:51:00 EDT
From:         "Composition Digest (Robert Royar,
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Subject:      (Fwd: *C&CD*) Naive (and tactless?) wondering (1)

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 18:51 EST
From: IN%"DRAPHAELY@CLARKU.BITNET"  Den Raphaely
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Subject: Naive (and tactless?) wondering (1)
Reply-to: Computers & Composition Digest (R. Royar) <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>


Well, this may harvest me a lot of flack, but I was wondering:
every year there are well-publicised lists of the nation's "top schools"
(which usually feature Harvard, Stanford, Yale etc) - but as I follow
cutting-edge explorations on various lists (such as this one), I seldom
see these august institutions in the signature lines. Now - am I right?
And if so, what does this mean?

_Den-DothAFoolGoWhereIvyLeagueAngelsFearToTread?

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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 12:31:18 CDT
From:         Nancy Kaplan <NKAPLAN@UTDALLAS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: TGIF, hook 'em, reel 'em in, fry 'em up for dinner
              10 Apr 1992 11:52:04 CDT from <LCERIC@UMCVMB.MISSOURI.EDU>

I agree, Eric and Bill Condon and others, that the day of self-organizing
education is almost here.  But, and as far as I can see it's a big but,
who is going to pay for all this "free" learning?  Most of the participants
on this list owe their presence to the largesse of their employers
(universities) or their employees (the people they pay tuition to so
that they can attend classes and have access to e-mail--the very same
universities).  Do you suppose there is or ever will be a way to by-pass
the middlemen, to set up shop on our own?  And if there were to be such
a way, how would I pay my bills?

Nancy Kaplan
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 10:57:55 -0400
From:         R_CONNORS@UNHH.UNH.EDU
Subject:      RE: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Naive (and tactless?) wondering (1)

Den, it means that elitism is alive and well and that the old lit-based
English department is still the default setting.  Except for a few souls--
Linda Peterson at Yale, Tori Haring-Smith at Brown--comp still has no
tenure-trackers at Ivies.  Richard Marius at Harvard is the only tenured
person in expos. writing at Harvard--and he's not in English.  We are
still the underclass, and the Ivies and their BigTime state school clones
like Berkeley reflect that status in their English dept. makeup.  We can
go out seeking to change this situation, but we had better take a lunch.

Bob C.
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:51:25 CDT
From:         Bob Boston <S2.RSB@ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU>
Subject:      System Woes Solved??

Thanks to all who wrote about System 7 woes, but thanks especially to Apple,
who produced Tuneup 1.1.1, which which we installed last night, and which
seems to have solved the problems.  (Of course, Apple caused the problems in
the first place.)

In particular, a new printer driver seems to have solved the difficulties we
were having with the LaserWriter IIg.  Only one job flushed today, and most
were in the spooler for only a minute before printing. I have not tried
printing a PageMaker file, however.

You can ftp the new tune-up from sumex-aim@stanford.edu or ftp.apple.com,
where I got mine. You can probably also get it from one of the MUG BBS's.

Bob Boston
Iowa State University
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 10:01:28 EST
From:         Stuart Selber <SSELBER@MTUS5.CTS.MTU.EDU>
Subject:      Computer Applications Course

Sorry to post this to the list, but I tried to send directly three times and
received error messages.  Michael, I'd love a copy of your paper.  Are you
having trouble with your account, or am I?

Stuart Selber (sselber@mtus5.cts.mtu.edu)
Michigan Tech
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:14:59 EDT
From:         Heyward Ehrlich <ehrlich@ANDROMEDA.RUTGERS.EDU>
Subject:      MICHAEL HART: Apr 28 NEACH

                       An Invitation from NEACH:
          Northeast Association For Computers and the Humanities
                (Please forgive any multiple postings.)

    The Northeast Association for Computers and the Humanities invites
you to Room 25A of the IBM Building, 590 Madison Avenue at 57th Street
in New York City on Tuesday,  APRIL 28, 1992, at 1:30 p.m. to hear Prof.
MICHAEL HART discuss the GUTENBERG ELECTRONIC TEXT PROJECT to collect
and distribute a large number of literary and humanistic texts in
electronic form.  (This meeting was previously scheduled for May 12 and
then for May 5.)

     The announced goal of the Gutenberg project is "to create and
distribute ten thousand etexts, to a predicted audience of one hundred
million computer users by the end of the year 2001."   Prof. Hart will
discuss and illustrate issues of text selection, copyright, public
domain status, typeface representation in electronic text, text
markup, distribution and duplication, downloading, and providing user
support.  Michael S. Hart is Professor of Electronic Text and
Executive Director of Project Gutenberg Etext at Illinois Benedictine
College in Lisle, Illinois.  Don't miss this unusual presentation,
which will be the final NEACH meeting for 1991-1992.

    NEACH Program Calendar for 1991-1992:

Wed. Oct. 9    Humanist & Women Writers Proj.  Elaine Brennan, Humanist
Tues. Nov 12   The Writer's PC: New Horizons   Judith Glassman, ex-Wolff
Wed. Dec. 11   Center for Electronic Texts     Susan Hockey, CETH
Tues. Jan. 21  Global Network Resources        Mary Sproule, Princeton
Wed. Feb. 12   Managing Textual Variants       F. W. Wilson, Morgan Library
Tues. Mar. 10  Poetry & Natural Lang. Proc.    Mary Dee Harris, Language Tech.
Wed., Apr. 15  Nota Bene 4.0 and Signature     Steve Siebert, Christine Rivera
  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Tues., Apr. 28   GUTENBERG E-TEXT PROJECT      MICHAEL HART, Exec. Dir.
  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

    All NEACH meetings are free and open to the public.  Ask at the
desk when you enter the IBM Building for a pass to NEACH or
HUMANITIES.  NEACH disks are available only at meetings.
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From:         joseph marek williams <jmw1@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject: Re: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Reading Project (4)

To David S:  Why focus on how exerts read literature?  Because then those who
have made literature their careers can use their training in lit crit to
teach reading and writing.  Otherwise, they have to learn something from
rhetoric and the social sciences.

Joe W.
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 11:21:42 EDT
From:         rselfe@MTU.EDU
Subject:      list of fem. lists?

I know,
I should have archived it myselfe, but . . . .

Mary,
do you have the list of feminist lists that everyone sent.  Many folks here
at MTU are interested.

Dickie Selfe   rselfe@mtu.edu  (NEW ADDRESS!!!)
1400 Townsend--102 Walker
Michigan Technological U.
Houghton, MI  49931
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:25:45 MST
From:         Martin Rosenberg <ATMER@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: settin' up shop

Elizabeth:

          Welcome to MBU madness!

          That's telling it like it (was)!


                                          best........mer

Martin E. Rosenberg (atmer@asuacad)
Department of English
Arizona State University
Tempe, AZ 85287-0302
1-602-965-3168.
"I'll do anything/To get out of going through all these things twice!"
--Bob D.
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 11:10:56 -0400
From:         Lili Velez <lv08+%ANDREW.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE.BITNET>
Subject:      Sailing the 7C's

Fred, are you talking about the conglomeration of the journal and the
conference, or have we added two new C's beyond the Fifth C?

Whatever it is, I like the idea.  I had always thought it would be fun
to write a ballad about the great "Lost Navy of Kinn", allegorically
detailing the trials of the rhetfolk in Texas a few years ago.

Lili
Rhet in the Blue Linen Labcoat           "Or can you
                                          As Cats do
                                          Begin with a C
                                          That always triumphantly
                                          Brings down the house?"
                                             Jellicle Songs for Jellicle Cats
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 12:35:13 MST
From:         Elizabeth Vander Lei <IDEAV@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      settin' up shop

In a recent post Nancy Kaplan wonders about setting up shop on our own.
Interesting.  Isn't this what the GWOEDWG (Great, Worthy Of Emulation,
Dead White Guys) like Gorgias, Plato, and Aristotle did?  They seemed
to fare better than some of us do.  It's a wonder to me why wily
rhetoricians like us stick with academia.  I mean, we used to control
2/3 of the trivium, and now many of us are reduced to begging for
English Department table scraps.  Things ain't write!  If what we do
isn't appreciated we can either 1) change what we do or 2) change whom
we do it for.  Nancy, set up shop and I'll send students; if you build
it they will come.

Elizabeth Vander Lei
Assistant Director of First Year Composition
Arizona State University
IDEAV@ASUACAD
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 08:48:14 EDT
From:         Mary Alm <T270102@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Feminist list

I'll add my wish to the list of lists.  Does anyone know of a feminist
network?  Particularly a network for feminist studies in communications?
Or a women's studies list?

There was some conversation at 4Cs about the need for such a network; I
think the Comm. on the Status of Women in the Profession is exploring the
possibilities.  Anyone know anything about that?

Mary Alm, Univ. of S.C.
From: jcm5337@USL.EDU (McDonald James C)
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Date: 10 Apr 92 18:52:11 GMT
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brilliant solution to Karen's dilemma #1

a fthrow in a free research paper for everyone who pays the $10 fee. could even
 be
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brilliant solution #2

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Jim McD
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