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From: dugan@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert Francis Dugan)
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard
Subject: Instructors/WGI
Date: 4 Jan 1993 22:17:20 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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This isn't my account, it's my fiance's and he lets me borrow it from
time to time.  I still haven't gotton the hang of posting so ignore
the last post you saw from here.
I am interested in chatting with anyone who enjoys colorguard.
If you marched or you teach I'd love to chat.  Now that the season is
here we should all have a lot to say.
Since I just got onto this network, 'd like to know who is
out there.  Where did you march?  If you teach now, who are you
teaching?  
I'll start...
I marched in Admiral Guard from Poughkeepsie NY 1986-1989.
Anyone remember us?  Two years in evening gowns, one year
doing Rhapsody in Blue, one year doing the Parade theme...
Prior to 1986 I marched in my High School guard, but unless you are
from the land of Metro you wouldn't have heard of my high school.
And Now I teach a little guard from Woodstock NY called Q.E.D.
I think teaching a new, young, small class A guard was harder than
marching most of the time.  At least it is more stressful.
Any comments?

Mary C. Krembs
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From: bobg@crsa.bu.edu (Bob Gaipo)
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard
Subject: Re: Instructors
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:14:46 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Department of Geography


	I teach a small high school colorguard from a small town in 
Massachusetts that competes in a local circuit.  As we all know this time of 
year is usually very busy trying to write/teach/rewrite/reteach shows.  

	I am looking to talk (through either e-mail or posting) to individuals
who work with small high school groups to compare notes about staff size, 
budgets, fund-raising, parental support, etc.  One specific questions I have 
is about recruiting new members.  I would like to hear how other groups do 
this and how sucessful they are.

	If you even remotely interested, please respond.  I am desperately 
trying to keep my group going, but am finding it increasingly more difficult.
Thanks.

-bob


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Bob Gaipo
Department of Geography
Boston University
bobg@crsa.bu.edu
From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard
Subject: Re: SCV has a new guard head
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 09:32:31 EDT
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In article <1993Jan7.132001.4832@hubcap.clemson.edu> (alt.colorguard), rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry) writes:
>O ye of little faith.  I think Karl Lowe is *much* more capable than
>Scott Chandler.  (Not to belittle Scott, but an awful lot of his work
>comes from Sal Salas et al.)

Personally, I don't know anything about Karl, but I know of Scott's
work when he was with Spirit.  He did some good stuff, but most of
it was just the kinds of things you saw from Blue Devils last year
(i.e., the hot, steamy couples dancing).  It's interesting in a voyeuristic
kind of way, but not very challenging I would think.

Keep in mind that I'm a blatter and know little of guard work...


Niel

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From: dugan@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert Francis Dugan)
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard
Subject: NJA Schedule 1993
Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:31:44 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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NJA 1993 Schedule
As of 12-04-92
(This is just a subset...All I had time to type in)
Date	Host & Contest Location
1-16	Black Watch, Burlington Vo-Tech Burlington, NJ 7pm
1-23	Insight, Bergenfield HS, Bergenfield NJ 6pm
1-23 	Chesapeake Cavaliers, Patterson HS, Baltimore NJ 6pm
1-24 	Omni Guard, Patterson HS, Baltimore MD 1pm
1-24	Falcons, Salsbury Middle School, Allentown, PA 2pm
2-06	Field of View, Hollinger Field House, West Chester, PA 4:30pm
2-20	Eagle Guard, Norristown HS, Norristown PA 4pm
2-20	Pegasus, Midland Park HS, Midland Park, NJ 6pm
2-27	Squires, Emmanus HS, Emmanus PA 3pm
2-27	Shadow Danse, West Essex HS Caldwell,NJ 4pm
3-20 	Horizon, So. Brunswick HS, Monmouth Junction, NJ 6pm
3-20 	Extraordinaire, Biddle Armory, Phil. PA 6pm
3-20 	Golden Sabres, Central Dauphin HS, Harrisburg, PA 6pm
3-27 	Cherry Hill West HS, Cherry Hill NJ 6:30pm
3-27	Aura, Nrth Warren HS, Warren NJ 1pm
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard
Subject: Re: Instrucors and WGI
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:23:23 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

dugan@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert Francis Dugan) writes:

>Since I just got onto this network, 'd like to know who is
>out there.  Where did you march?  If you teach now, who are you
>teaching?  
>I'll start...
>I marched in Admiral Guard from Poughkeepsie NY 1986-1989.
>Anyone remember us?  Two years in evening gowns, one year
>doing Rhapsody in Blue, one year doing the Parade theme...

Hi Mary, yes I do remember Admiral.  I marched in the New York 
Royal Guardsmen from 1981-83.  A lot of my friends were still able 
to march up until 1986.  

The show I remember the most from Admiral would be the ballroom
show with the checkered floor prop.

I am all too familiar with Metro and Joe Policastro.  Yikes!

>from the land of Metro you wouldn't have heard of my high school.
>And Now I teach a little guard from Woodstock NY called Q.E.D.
>I think teaching a new, young, small class A guard was harder than

What circuit is the guard you are teaching going to compete in?
NJA? Metro?

Ken
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard
From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: Instrucors and WGI
Organization: StorageTek, Louisville, CO
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:47:06 GMT

In article <1iad00INN67k@bigboote.WPI.EDU> dugan@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert Francis Dugan) writes:
>I'll start...  I marched in Admiral Guard from Poughkeepsie NY 1986-1989.
>Anyone remember us?  Two years in evening gowns, one year doing Rhapsody in
>Blue, one year doing the Parade theme...  Prior to 1986 I marched in my High
>School guard, but unless you are from the land of Metro you wouldn't have
>heard of my high school.  And Now I teach a little guard from Woodstock NY
>called Q.E.D.  I think teaching a new, young, small class A guard was harder
>than marching most of the time.  At least it is more stressful.  Any
>comments?

Do we remember Admiral? Of course!

Some of us remember even Admiral when it was still the Arlington (HS)
Admirals.

Some of us recall abusing a poor announcer at the indoor Olympic facility in
Montreal. He did not have a clue how to pronounce Poughkeepsie. He murdered
the name 4 times, each time with a different mispronunciation. That alone made
it worth the trip from Boston.

How could we forget the marvelous dancing floors that Admiral had...the
elegance, the *dignity* that you brought to the contest floor. A group who was
there to have fun while performing. A guard with style.

And, as noted, we also remember the one-time greatness of the MAA.

>Mary C. Krembs

I remember meeting a marching member of Admiral at a NE contest. I believe she
marched in the Arlington HS guard. She was a student at Wellesley (MA) in the
mid-80s. Would you remember who that was?

--phil

Is anyone interested in hearing how the WGI Olympics became non-smoking?
From: cf123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher Leigh Putnam)
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard
Subject: SCV has a new guard head
Date: 6 Jan 1993 21:38:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cf123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher Leigh Putnam)
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SCV's guard will be under the direction of Karl Lowe.  He has an excellent
reputation with his work with winter guards and will use more than one flag
this summer (a small joke).  It sounds like they may actually be decent
this year.  Still no match for the Devils.

Anyone else heard of any other staff changes?????
-- 
Chris Putnam (still a Blue Devils lover at heart)
Euphonium/Baritone
Star in '93?????
Go Devils Winterguard!!!!!
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard
From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: SCV has a new guard head
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:20:01 GMT

cf123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher Leigh Putnam) writes:

>SCV's guard will be under the direction of Karl Lowe.  He has an excellent
>reputation with his work with winter guards and will use more than one flag
>this summer (a small joke).  

I really liked SCV's guard better earlier in the season with the
Menorahs and stools, etc.  I think that SCV's 1992 guard went through
more changes throughout the season than any other guard I've seen.  It
would be interesting to see if we could chronicle these changes
somehow.

>It sounds like they may actually be decent
>this year.  Still no match for the Devils.

O ye of little faith.  I think Karl Lowe is *much* more capable than
Scott Chandler.  (Not to belittle Scott, but an awful lot of his work
comes from Sal Salas et al.)  I don't think a best guard trophy is out
of SCV's reach this next season.  Keep in mind that Karl Lowe worked
with three Suncoast guards that placed in the top-3 at DCI.  He *is*
capable of producing a championship guard.

(I still can't get over Phantom taking best guard over Suncoast in 1988,
c'est la vie.)

>Anyone else heard of any other staff changes?????

Other that those on the net, no.  

Later,
Bob

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From: dugan@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert Francis Dugan)
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard
Subject: Someone to chat with!
Date: 5 Jan 1993 17:04:27 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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Hi Ken from the Royal Guardsmen.  I used to love watching your shows.
Thoses were the glory days of Metro weren't they?  You guys, Skylarks,
Conquest.  Even Emerald Marquis used to come down to the Skylark's
show...But now, I wouldn't go near to Metro.  My guard (Q.E.D.)  went
to a few (3) metro shows last year.  The quality of Metro guards is in
general pretty sad.  And the scoring?  Geez, my last years in admiral
we got above an 85 our first show!  Ridiculus!  And now with my
younger guard it is very hard to explain why last week at metro they
got a 65 and this week at WGI they got a 40 when their show was so
much better.  I do believe that WGI has their eyes on the future,
that is the place to be if you want real competition and pretty
knowledgeable judges. (Give or take a few)  But Metro is basically a
joke.  So, we are doing NJA only this year.  Besides, have you heard
about the "Metro letter"  That has everyone fuming?

Admiral used the Checked floor a couple of the times.  The first time
was our first year in Open, 1986 when we wore white evening gowns.
But most people remember 1987 when we tied with Emerald Marquis in
Finals when we wore Gold and had the mirrors on the flats.  I was a
Sabre in Admiral (with our manadatory time on Rifle and Flag)  until
we got rid of Sabres my last year, then I went fulltime to Rifle.

Ken: What did you twirl in RG?
Are you going to come to any local shows or WGI's this year?


I have the NJA schedule someplace if anyone is interested...



Mary C. Krembs
***************
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************
From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard
Subject: Re: Instrucors and WGI
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 09:22:04 EDT
Organization: NMB productions
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In article <1993Jan7.024706.21034@stortek.com> (alt.colorguard), pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
>Is anyone interested in hearing how the WGI Olympics became non-smoking?


Say, Phil, how did the WGI Olympics become non-smoking?

Niel

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From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Instructors/WGI
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:54:27 GMT

OOOHHHHH!!!  Sounds like I missed the head-end of a juicy discussion.
Can someone fill me in!?

Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM (Gary Gocek) writes:

>Mary, of course teaching is harder than marching.  Too bad most people who read
>these newgroups don't believe that.  Good luck with your guard.

I wouldn't say *most* although there are people like this everywhere.
Remember the old adage: Those who can, do.  Those who can't, teach.
Those who can't teach, judge.  

I've always *hated* that saying.

Later,
Bob


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From: Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM (Gary Gocek)
Subject: Re: Instructors/WGI
Summary: Teaching is harder
Reply-To: Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM
Organization: Xerox Corp., Rochester, NY
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:09:40 GMT


Mary, of course teaching is harder than marching.  Too bad most people who read
these newgroups don't believe that.  Good luck with your guard.

Gary
Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM


Newsgroups: alt.colorguard
From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Instructors
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:59:12 GMT

bobg@crsa.bu.edu (Bob Gaipo) writes:

>who work with small high school groups to compare notes about staff size, 

I usually try to keep my staff to a minimum.  I usually think up the
concept and write the drill.  I have a lot of input into the weapon work
(I leave the flag book alone for the most part.)  I rely (heavily) on
three staff members who help teach and clean the work.  I also try to
keep feelers out for parental reaction because hell hath no fury like a
band parent scorned (or something like that....)

>budgets, fund-raising, parental support, etc.  One specific questions I have 
>is about recruiting new members.  I would like to hear how other groups do 
>this and how sucessful they are.

Normally most small HS guards and almost all independent guards are on
a shoe string budget.  I usually get around $500-$1000 to spend on flags,
entry fees, and transportation.  Lodging is usually left to the
discretion of the members (some don't mind coughing up $40 to spend in
a motel for a couple of nights, others stick with day-trip shows, and a
couple don't mind hitting a gym floor - although I've only been with
one HS guard that did this.)  

I leave fund raising up to the band booster organization.  In all but
one of the HS guards I've worked with, the parental support has been
great as long as the parents realize you're trying to get the most for
their money and truly care for the kids' experience.

I have never had to bother with recruiting kids.  You only have to have
8, and I'd much rather have 8 that wanted to be there in the first place
that 8 I had to "recruit."  If the guard provides a good experience for
it's members, word will get around.  My guards have usually doubled in
size after the first season -- one of my schools this year is going to
triple in size.

>	If you even remotely interested, please respond.  I am desperately 
>trying to keep my group going, but am finding it increasingly more difficult.
>Thanks.

I'm sorry to hear this.  What kind of problems are you having?  Is it
money?  (When isn't it 1/2 ;-)!)  Membership?

Don't be afraid to be small (in numbers or expenses.)  Sometimes you can
be very effective with a minimal number of props and equipment.  (Look at
27th in 1988.)

If I can be of any help, let me know.  I have a lot of
"budget-sensitive" ideas that might be able to help you out.

HTH,
Bob

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From: Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM (Gary Gocek)
Subject: Re: Instructors/WGI
Reply-To: Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM
Organization: Xerox Corp., Rochester, NY
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:25:24 GMT


>>Gary:
>>Mary, of course teaching is harder than marching.  Too bad most people who
>>read these newgroups don't believe that.

>Bob:
>I wouldn't say *most* although there are people like this everywhere.

Well, the color guard articles aren't as bad as the drum corps articles,
but I would still say "most".

----------

>Bob:
>OOOHHHHH!!!  Sounds like I missed the head-end of a juicy discussion.

Not really.  Mary had simply commented on how it seemed to be more work to
whip her class A guard into shape than it was to be a performer.



Gary
Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM


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From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: Instrucors and WGI
Organization: StorageTek, Louisville, CO
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:07:48 GMT

In article <01050023.n39lsf@chinchilla.cars.com> chinchilla!niel@cars.com writes:
>Say, Phil, how did the WGI Olympics become non-smoking?

Funny you should ask!

I started going to the WGI Olympics (now the World Championships: the IOC
started getting real picky about who could call what "Olympics" a few years
back) in 1984. Back then, the smoke was very, very, bad in the Dayton Arena.
People were smoking in the souvenir area, around the concourse; some were even
smoking in their seats.

By the early afternoon on Saturday and Sunday, there was a distinct "brown
cloud" in the arena. Some of us even attribute the Open Class ties of 1985 and
1986 to the poor visibility in the stadium.

In 1987 (or maybe 1988) I came armed with 8 1/2 by 11 flyers that proclaimed
that smoking was illegal in any part of the arena. I posted about 50 of them;
many of them were ripped down. Then a funny thing happened: I noticed that the
flyers were appearing in places where I never placed them! Some of the WGI
volunteer staff had gotten really annoyed with smoke in the souvie area and
started plastering it themselves.

There was still a fair amount of smoke the first year, but no "brown cloud" in
the arena. By next year's Nationals, the arena was essentially smoke-free.
Smokers now go outside to smoke.

With the new claims of the carcinogenic properties of second-hand smoke, do
people think that DCI Nationals will become non-smoking? Has anyone ever asked
the DCI office about this?

>Niel

--phil
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