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From: harihara@methacrylate.ecn.purdue.edu (Deepak Hariharan)
Subject: front vs rear wheel drive
Keywords: front vs rear wheel drive
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 12:31:32 GMT

Is there a particular reason why most of the luxury cars are rear
wheel drives and not front wheel drives.  I am sorry if is
already a FAQ material.

Thank you,

Deepak
From: knotts@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Tom Knotts)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:17:52 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Flywheel batteries as EV power source
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

> 
> Now you look like a real butt-head.  Look back a week or so on this subject.
> You will find so much math and material physics posted by me that it could
> choke a horse.  All accurate, all referenced.  Now, butt-head - go read it
> and come back with something constructive.  You obviously haven't a clue.
> 

These discussions must be buried under another heading. This is the
first thread on flywheels that I have seen. Where are all of these
postings to which you refer?

Tom
From: ktliu@shelley.u.washington.edu (     *)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: slick 50
Date: 2 Jan 1993 23:36:01 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ktliu@u.washington.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: shelley.u.washington.edu

:^)  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

good nite..........
hahahahaha.................
From: aland@informix.com (Colonel Panic)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Car phones
Date: 29 Dec 92 01:31:43 GMT
Organization: Helen Keller Bondurant's Performance Driving School for the Blind

In article <1992Dec23.234331.6921@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> hm002b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (PRIMUS SUCKS!) writes:
>I disagree I find that using the handset is much easier then using my stupid
>handsfree system. To use the handsfree system I have to press a slew of
>buttons to activate it. With the handset I just pick it up and place it
>under my right ear and viola all set. 

Bingo.  "all set", eh?  In other words, you've immediately limited yourself 
to being unable to turn your head significantly.  Does this mean that you
don't turn your head in changing lanes, etc. in general driving and therefore
don't consider the Cellular Earring a handicap?


--
Alan Denney      aland@informix.com      {pyramid|uunet}!infmx!aland
I says, "Earl, this hill can spill us 
         you better slow down or you're gonna kill us
         just make one mistake, and it's the Pearly Gates 
         for them 85 crates of U.S.D.A.-approved cluckers.
         You wanna hit second gear, please?"
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From: avr@cs.purdue.edu (Andrew V. Royappa)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Towing a car behind a moving van
Date: 23 Dec 1992 15:05:26 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Sciences, Purdue University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: alka.cs.purdue.edu

Hi there.

We will shortly be moving to another state, taking our belongings (meager
as they are) in a 14-foot moving van. We also want to tow our car behind
the van. It's a huge old '78 Pontiac Bonneville that won't last long, but 
we don't have money now to buy another car.

The moving company (Hertz) will provide (for $75) a "tow dolly".
This is a two-wheel device, and I have to back the car up on it so it's
resting on the rear wheels and riding on the front wheels 
(I was told you shouldn't tow a rear-wheel auto transmission car 
on the rear wheels).

If you have any experience with doing something like this, I'd appreciate
hearing some tips on what to do and what to avoid. For instance, I've
been told you can't reverse while towing something, so you must plan
where you're going very carefully. That's was news to me, and it sounds
like something I need to know -- so I'm wondering what else I need to
know.

Any other comments on moving/towing/Hertz would be appreciated also (e.g. 
how often to fill up with gas, whether to stop at weigh stations, etc.).

				Thanks,

					Andrew Royappa
					avr@purdue.edu
					{pur-ee,decvax,ucbvax}!purdue!avr
From: "tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: saturn sl2 test-drive res
Date: 2 Jan 93 20:13:39 EST
Reply-To: "tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information

Quoth Esl Manager@gimme Uh Edu regarding SATURN SL2 TEST-DRIVE RES on 
12-31-92:

EM>Car tested: SL2, 4dr, DOHC (twin-cam), 5-speed
EM>Date tested: 24th Dec, 1992
EM>
EM>Likes:
EM>1) [Steering]: As far as its ability to make U-turns in very tight
EM>swings, I must say that it very impressive, compared to other cars of
EM>the same (or almost the same) size, like the Honda Civic and Acura
EM>Integra.

That's interesting... the Saturn's relatively large turning radius (at 
leasyt, compared with the Toyota I used to drive, and the '87 Sentra that 
is my other car now) is exactly my biggest complaint about my wife's 92 
SL-2.  

EM>Dislikes:
EM>1) [Engine Noise]: The subject matter of this posting tells it all ---
EM>noise. You may not believe me, but I feel that the engine-noise level 
EM>the SL2 is higher than my Acura Integra RS 1988! I couldn't believe my
EM>ears when I drove it. Could someone illuminate me on that matter? Is i
EM>the noise of the timing-chain or some other design problems?

Ya trade long life (timing change vs timing belt) for a little higher 
engine noise at high rev.  At highway cruise, the Saturn is actually a bit 
quieter than the Civic, though maybe not the Altima or the Acura.



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From: mucit@cs.rochester.edu (Bulent Murtezaoglu)
Subject: Re: Emblems, names and meanings...
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Rochester
	<JTCHEW-181292085436@b50-afrd4.lbl.gov>
	<antkasx.724700239@gsusgi1.gsu.edu> <1992Dec21.160031.2842@bnr.ca>
Distribution: na
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:47:03

In article <1992Dec21.160031.2842@bnr.ca> dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer) writes:

>   BMW - "The ultiimate driving machine"
                 ^^^

Cute slip.  (2002tii)  or was it intentional?

-M
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: Michael.Bohl@launchpad.unc.edu (Michael Bohl)
Subject: OutsOutside Car Cover Advice Needed
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 00:45:35 GMT


I am looking to purchase a cover for my car, which is not garaged.  I've
seen two or three different types of materials for these covers, from a
light blend of fabrics to plastic.  

I can understand that a pure plastic cover is not a good idea, that it
cant shed moisture.  What has been your experiences with the typical types
of covers?

What should I look for?

They all seem to say, "Don't put them on a wet car."  "Don't put wet
covers on any car."  
	What about if it rains and the cover gets wet?  Is this a problem?

Any miscellaneous comments appreciated.

Mike B.

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: philip@mentorg.com (Philip Peake)
Subject: Re: Car phones
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:33:43 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

In article <1992Dec23.153633.6384@dg-rtp.dg.com>, goudreau@batman.rtp.dg.com (Bob Goudreau) writes:
|> In article <92358.114600SROWELL@ESOC.BITNET> <SROWELL@ESOC.BITNET> writes:
|> > In the UK, use of a car phone while driving is illegal. The law may
|> > be an ass, but in this case it's a sensible one!
|> 
|> At first glance, this would appear obvious.  However a while ago I
|> recall reading a newspaper story describing a recent study (done by
|> the US DOT, or some such federal agency, I believe) on the use of
|> car phones in the US.  The people running the study were surprised
|> to discover no statistically significant difference between the
|> accident rates of drivers using phones and those not using them.

Depends on how they did the study.
If it was simply asking people the equivalent of:

	"You weren't dumb enough to be using the CAR PHONE
	 when you drove off the road, WERE YOU ?"

then the result doesn't surprise me. Who is going to admit to
something like that when future court cases (and insurance rates)
depend on it !

Try to find a study looking at the different accident rates
between cars containing a 'phone, and those not ...

Philip
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: CB Walkie-Talkie
From: stubbs@hawk.cs.ukans.edu (Jerry Stubbs)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 17:35:47 GMT
Organization: University of Kansas Computer Science Dept

I think that's the one I have. WOrks ok, and I havne't noticed
any static.  They have something maybe even better. AN emergency
CB with magnetic stick on antenna. It also picks up weather 
radio. Check it ou.t
From: calondis@meaddata.com (David Calondis)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Car phones
Date: 21 Dec 1992 15:00:03 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
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NNTP-Posting-Host: iron.meaddata.com

The newest issue of Consumer Reports talks about cellular phones.  It's
the cover story....
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From: R1004@vmcms.csuohio.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Anti-Lock Brakes makes stopping SAFER?
Date: 29 Dec 92 22:53:38 GMT
Organization: CSU

In article <1992Dec29.122216.1@skyler.mavd.honeywell.com>
mellum@skyler.mavd.honeywell.com writes:
 
>In article <1992Dec28.191605.14136@admin.kth.se>, palm@admin.kth.se (Christer Palm) writes:
>> All ABS systems monitor all wheels or the vehicle.
>>
>Chevy and GMC trucks are rear wheel only ABS.
>
>Ron
 
 
   Not all, my '91 S10 Blazer has FOUR wheel ABS
   is/was standard on the four door version of the truck.
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From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: Quietest cars on the market?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:06:24 GMT

In article <ljcqvfINNphq@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill) writes:
>andrew@frip.wv.tek.com (Andrew Klossner) corrects my article:

>Is Road & Track a better magazine, overall?  It's enough to make you
>go back to Consumer Reports!  :-)

Hey at least CU criticizes the cars they rate!

Ever look at their recent comparison of the Ford Probe GT, Honda
Prelude Si, Eagle Talon Tsi(the AWD version). Take a look at what they
said, did they rate them like you would expect CU to do? From what I
can tell, a lot of what they said seems to follow the net opinion.

Also, note that they also explain how they do some of their ratings
(for example for these cars they weigh performance more heavily
than rear seat space or a serene ride). And for their criteria
they use the results garnered from their test drives. For example,
the Mazda Rx-7 had the shortest stopping distance of any previous car
they tested, so now for a car to have excellent braking, they have
a new benchmark.

john
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: russ@gagme.chi.il.us (Russell J. Price)
Subject: Pickup Toppers
Originator: @gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 13:20:50 GMT

Does anyone have any recommendations for/against particular pickup caps?  I'm
looking for one for a '92 GMC Sonoma (aka Chevy S-10).
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From: mdennie@beryllium.mc.xerox.com (Matt Dennie)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: REMOTE RADAR DETECTORS
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:02:13 GMT
Reply-To: mdennie@beryllium.mc.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation

In article 154634@usho21.hou281.chevron.com, hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
>
> How much good are they when they're mounted in the front grille
> and the radar is at the rear or sides?
>
> Of course, you could buy a couple and mount them on the roof -
> one facing front and the other facing rear.
>
> TRAVIS

Or just get a Valentine One (for $300).


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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: boo@athena.mit.edu (Christopher J Foley)
Subject: Mazda RX7: should I buy one?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 07:55:44 GMT



Well, I'm looking to buy a used mazda RX7, in the 81-84 years, probably.

Do any of you own one?
is there an RX7 frequently asked questions list?

when did the body style change? i've seen 4 different type RX7s on the
road, not counting the 93.

how about this GS and GSL and GSL-ES stuff?

what are the pitfalls of buying a used RX7? 

what should I check for?

Kid Oreo

'89 kawasaki EX 500

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
you rec.auto types should sign your posts with what you drive, like we do
over at rec.motorcylces
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Honda struts
From: stubbs@hawk.cs.ukans.edu (Jerry Stubbs)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 17:21:21 GMT
Organization: University of Kansas Computer Science Dept


True, but a lot of newer american cars have struts as
well these days.  I have never had them done, as they 
seem to last longer than shocks. I think they take more
time than typical shocks, but a friend of mine says they 
aren't too bad to replace if you have the right tools and
a good spring compressor. I worry a little about upsetting
the alignment geometry because the ssuspension is pretty
much undone when you pull out the shock/strut ass'y.

I would definitely try to get the best struts available
(probably Bilstein) and only do it once every 60-80K
miles.
From: ninja@willard.UUCP (Sonic Druid)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 84-last year...Nissan 200sx HB
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 21:35:22 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

 
 Is anyone familiar with the 84-last year.....Nissan 200sx Hatchback
4 cylinder (before the V-6)....
   in terms of aero-kits, engine or electrical mod kits ?????


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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: troyf@microware.com (Troy Frericks)
Subject: Re: Car phones
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:43:20 GMT

In article <1751@rwja.umdnj.edu> holowczk@rwja.umdnj.edu (Richard Holowczak) writes:
>rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com (Bob Haar) writes:
>
>>In article 2761@schbbs.mot.com, ACUS05@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Paul Anderson) writes:
>
>>And I would recommend that anyone considering a cellular phone
>>for use in a vehicle get a hands-free model.  
>
>>My personal observation suggests an epidemic of drivers devoting
>>so much of their attention to using a car phone while driving
>>that they have no idea where they are in the lanes or what other
>>traffic  is around them. And they certainly don't signal
>>lane changes or turns because one hand is occupied by the
>>phone handset. The worst is someone flying down the highway
>>at 80 mph with one hand hold the phone and the busy dialing it
>
>>Look Ma - no hands. Oh, now look, no head!!
>
>       I think in some states you can get a ticket for using a car phone
>       while driving.  Not sure which ones though. Pennsylvania seems
>       to ring a bell but I might be wrong.
>
>       Rich H.

Yea, and in some states you can get a ticket for wearing head phones,
even if they are hooked up to an amplifier that is amplifying the
sounds outside the car.

In other states you can get a ticket for listening to a police scanner
while you are traveling, even if you listen to be able to alter your
route home to avoid traffic congested accident sites.

In those states you can get a ticket for using a car phone while
driving, can you also get a ticket for parking on the sholder of
the interstate?  Can you get a ticket for using the car phone to
report a drunk driver while following them?
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: fengxi@prancer.eche.ualberta.ca (Fengxi Zhou)
Subject: Re: Four wheel drive Autos
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:01:13 GMT

Did i hear somebody mentioning subaru justy? here is a tough, reliable,
little 4wd car. when everybody stuck in the bumper deep snow, this little
guy just laugh all the way home. oh, it comes with a weird ecvt, kind of
one speed auto box. of course, if you are looking at luxuary, performance,
refinement, style, etc, and have a fat wallet, look somewhere else. lots
of options were mentioned in previous post, from 4wd diablo (available in
US?) down to subaru svx.
Xref: sparky rec.autos:30287 rec.autos.tech:17043
From: james@koko.csustan.edu (Jonas Grumpy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Do SPOILERS Really Work???
Date: 22 Dec 92 02:48:12 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

In article <1h4gu1INN1it@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>choy@skorpio.usask.ca (I am a terminator.) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec13.225328.14446@nntp.hut.fi>, k33074s@kaira.hut.fi (Micke Bergman) writes:
>>What do spoilers do to fuel economy? On my flight simulator, I can put on
>>spoilers to slow my plane down. I expect dragging a spoiler around would
>>slow a car down.
>
>On a plane spoilers are used to increase drag and lift dramatically.
>This is very useful both for slowing down and for operating at low
>velocities -- desirable capabilities in an airplane.
>
>On a car spoilers have two possible purposes (other than aesthetics):
>1) Break up airflow around the back of the car to reduce drag and
>possibly to reduce high-speed lift; and 2) provide downforce (similar
>to what they do in a plane but to a much smaller degree).
>
>From talk on this group I suspect that most cars' spoilers are used to
>break up airflow rather than to provide downforce.  They usually
>aren't big enough to have much of an effect on downforce.
>
>The goal of the spoiler in each case is different so you get different
>results.
>
>jim frost
>jimf@centerline.com

You forgot one reason one which the 930 turbo's engine relies heavily.
The whale tail creates a high pressure area right over the intercooler/
fan intake. Without this tail the engine will fry.
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From: azirger@micro.caltech.edu (Art Zirger)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Accuracy of Those Car Price Books
Date: 31 Dec 1992 21:31:10 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: asterope.micro.caltech.edu


My recent experience with buying a car (just ordered a Probe GT this week!) was
that the Kelly Blue Book for new cars had the EXACT same prices for the options.
Their prices on the base model included transportation which might be slightly 
different for different locales, but I'd have to say that you can definitely trust
these books.  Don't listen to the dealers; they are SCUM.  I ended up doing a 
fleet deal.  I recommend it.  No haggling.  Got what I wanted (I'm willing to wait
for a factory order) for $300 over invoice.  A fair deal in my opinion.  I also 
looked at another book (though I can't remember the name) and it had the correct
prices as well.

My advice is that almost all dealers have fleet guys.  Just walk in and as for the
fleet manager.  Tell him that you want such and such a car with such and such
options.  They will then proceed to list all the dealer invoice costs for these 
items.  None of them asked my whether I had any fleet affiliations (though I did 
through work).  You will also find out info like "Advertising Fees."  Good luck.

Art Zirger.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jimd@fraser.sfu.ca (Jim Davies)
Subject: Re: Range Rovers using GM Parts
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 06:00:19 GMT

hhelanto@vipunen.hut.fi (Henri R Helanto) writes:

>In <hXW=va+@engin.umich.edu> pka@engin.umich.edu (Payman Khalili) writes:

>>Is it true that early Range Rovers used some GM parts including a
>>GM (Buick) 8 cylinder engine?  
>>
>>Is it still true today?  I'd appreciate any info about this.
>>
>>Thanks in advance!

>	It is true. The Range Rover's engine is still based on the
>	Buick 221cid V8.
              ^^^^^^^^^^^actually, the original was 215cid 

 The engine block is aluminium (Buick used
>	cast iron)
         ^^^^^^^^^^the original 215 (both Olds and Buick) used
die-cast blok and heads. The brit copy is sand cast (last time
I looked) You are probably thinking about the 300cid Buick V8.

 and they have tuned it up a bit but it's basically
>	the same engine except for intake manifold and carburators.
>	(Rover used two Stromberg carburators, famous for their 
>	sticky actions -> a stuck carb is no exception in a 'Range).
Yes, somewhere I read that the brits called these *wonderful* carbs
"Constant Depression" type. From experience, I am sure it refers to
the state of mind of the person working on them;-)

>	
>	There's a couple of other parts from GM, too, including
>	the clutch, some suspension parts etc. So far I've installed
>	Edelbrock carb and intake manifold (originally made for Buick),
>	Bosch alternator (I bought it from local FORD dealer !) and
>	Rancho shocks (originally for GM light 4x4 trucks).

>	Rover's V8 is quite a nice little engine, it weighs 10 pounds
>	more than Ford V6 (the european model, 2.0-3.0l) and with
>	minor modifications it's excellent for serious off-road use.
Dont know about the brit version, but the original GM engine was a
good, though rare, little V8. The Buick version was good for a few
more HP than the Olds.