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From: tml@tik.vtt.fi (Tor Lillqvist)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Where are the X headers?
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:18:16
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland, Laboratory for Information
	Processing (VTT/TIK)
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In-reply-to: dx@netcom.com's message of Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:17:00 GMT

Why can't HP salesmen be educated to ask the customers whether they
intend to do any software development, and sell the necessary optional
software, so people won't have to ask the net once a day where the
ANSI C compiler, X headers, etc are...?
--
Tor Lillqvist,
working, but not speaking, for the Technical Research Centre of Finland,
Laboratory for Information Processing (VTT/TIK).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: fish@daacdev1.stx.com
Subject: Re: Scrollbars with Hpterms (+ good-to-go HP keyboard keys)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:42:32 GMT

jonas@beor.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Josef Nelissen) writes:

>ken@studsvik.com (Ken Rempe) writes:

>> How do you get scrollbars on Hpterms?

>How about reading TFM ? :-)
>There you could have read that the following entry in a X resource
>file (for instance the one pointed to by XENVIRONMENT) is required

>		   hpterm*scrollBar: True

someone showed me with the HP keyboards you can use the next/prev
keys to move thru a screen at a time (and the home (funny arrow
key) takes you to the top shift-home takes you to the bottom

quite handy if you don't particularly like using the mouse like me

anybody know how to make an xterm have a scroll bar on the right
side - it doesn't seem to be possible

			fish
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

> 	The CRX24Z and the TVRX T-4 both have "stereo" out. Can
> 	you make that woirk with the 72hz monitor or do you need a
> 	144hz monitor. We have seen setups with a 60hz system 
> 	double buffered into a 120hz monitor using the Stereo
> 	Vision glasses. We would like to explore the stereo 
> 	vision with the newer systems and wondered what was out
> 	there and what did we need.
> 

A 144 Hz monitor is required; this mode of operation is not supported by
the standard 72 Hz monitors.  I believe that HP suggests some possible
3rd-party products which will support this, along with either the Tektronix
or Stereographics add-on stereo systems.  Check with your HP sales rep for
more information on the specific products suggested or recommended for use
with this system.


Bob Myers  KC0EW   Hewlett-Packard Co.      |Opinions expressed here are not
                   User Interface Tech. Div.|those of my employer or any other
myers@fc.hp.com    Fort Collins, Colorado   |sentient life-form on this planet.
From: hstroyan@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Howard Stroyan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Graphics accelerator slow ?
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:38:08 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In comp.sys.hp, njconway@ccvax.ucd.ie writes:

> 
> Weird problem:
> 
> we have 3 9k400's - two of them have been upgraded to 68040's along with a
> 98705 graphics 'accelerator' - i think this box is Personal PRX P1 or something
> like that.
> 
> the other 400 is just a 68030 with the standard graphics card A1416A (written
> on back)
> 
> now the weird bit -  i've been starting to use them heavily again (after using
> a 700 for ages) and noticed that the two 'fast' 400's take ages to update the
> screen compared to the 'slow' one. 
> 
> simple things like 'ls /etc' or 'cat bigtextfile' in say, a hpterm take about
> three times as long on the fast machines !?

This isn't a weird problem, it's a weird feature :-) .

The PVRX graphics accelerator was designed to accelerate 3D graphics
(i.e. Starbase and PHIGS).  It's X performance suffers relative to the 
lower cost VRX (A1416A) graphics card which was designed for peak 2D (X)
performance at is price point.  Personally this strikes me too as strange.

Post the PVRX's development this odd inversion of X price/performance
has been eliminated in the HP graphics line.  If you buy one of the CRX
graphics family devices (GRX, CRX, CRX24, CRX24Z, CRX48Z) you will find
that X performance is very consistent along the line (on an equal SPU).
What increases are graphics framebuffer features (e.g. 24 planes, overlays,
hardware colormaps) and 3D rendering performance (in the case of the "Z" 
products).

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From: hurf@boa.graphics.cornell.edu (Hurf Sheldon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Snakes "Stereo" output use query
Date: 15 Dec 1992 17:00:59 GMT
Organization: Cornell University Program of Computer Graphics
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: boa.graphics.cornell.edu
Keywords: Double buffered scan rate 
	
	The CRX24Z and the TVRX T-4 both have "stereo" out. Can
	you make that woirk with the 72hz monitor or do you need a
	144hz monitor. We have seen setups with a 60hz system 
	double buffered into a 120hz monitor using the Stereo
	Vision glasses. We would like to explore the stereo 
	vision with the newer systems and wondered what was out
	there and what did we need.

thanks


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     580 Eng. Theory Center, Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y. 14853
From: airhart@lub001.lamar.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Junk wanted!SELECT
Date: 12 Dec 92 16:00:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: lub001.1992Dec11.230010.1850
Organization: Lamar University - Beaumont

I would like to find someone's junk. HP3000/37 Hardware/Software/Manuals that
is.  I also would like to get another term emulator for DOS. I have Advancelink
and would like to check out Minisoft or other Term S/W.

Thanks!
Michael


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From: hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Chfn error
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:24:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: cup.Bz9Hs4.D8x
Reply-To: Chris Steinbroner <hesh@cup.hp.com>
Organization: HP-UX Kernel Lab, Cupertino, CA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.1]

Wong Siu To (a866700@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk) wrote:
: Would anyone pls advise why I get the error "chfn: audswitch: Not owner"
: when invoking "chfn" ?

this occurs when your effective uid is not 0.  the only reason
i can think of for this happening is that your /usr/bin/chfn
doesn't have the right mode/owner -- it should be owned by root
and have modes 4555.

-- hesh
From: davidb@hpuadla.aus.hp.com (David Booth)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:02:59 GMT
Subject: Re: Password without special characters?
Organization: Adelaide, Australia, Smallest HP DownUnder
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

Mike Killoran (killoran@ll.mit.edu) wrote:
: 
: 	Is there a way around HP's requirement that all passwords
: have a number or special character in them?  I have found that using

Not that I know of. If you find one, let me know.

: SAM, one may change the password to any string.  This isn't what I'm
: looking for though.  I want users to be able to enter a password 
: without any intervention by the sys admin.  It seems as though
: different requirements for passwords should be a configurable thing,
: like password expiration.

This is based on "euid" - root can change anyones password to anything,
special characters or no. SAM is a red herring here; as root you can do
the same change through the passwd(1) command.

The restrictions come into play if you run passwd(1) as non-superuser
(which, one expects, would normally be true for most users).
: 
: Mike Killoran
: killoran@ll.mit.edu

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: tclark@hptc.mentorg.com (Tony Clark)
Subject: HPUX 9.0 compatability with HPUX 8.07
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:53:05 GMT
Organization: Watsamatta U
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

I would like to hear from anyoneout there that has had some experience
with HPUX 9.0. What I am looking for is any indication that 9.0 is not
binary compatible with 8.07. I know for instance that the bdftosnf utility
has been replace with bdftopcf. But are there other areas that may cause
problems. Have any of you out there run 8.07 executables on 9.0? If so
what problems have you encountered?

Thanks

Tony Clark
Platform Marketing
Mentor Graphics Copr

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From: myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:39:50 GMT
Subject: Re: HP HIL, audio, & video extensions
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

> >  Can anyone tell me what comes with an HP 46082B "30 meter remote
> >  extension with audio and RGB video cables"?  It's under the heading of
> >  HP-HIL Cables and Extensions.  Is this just cabling?  Or does it come
> >  with some kind of video driver box?  (That's sort of implied by the
> >  fact that you can delete remote and RGB cables, but who really knows?)
> 
> #include <std/disclaimer>
> 
>   I think this is a set of long RGB cables, long HP-HIL cables, long audio
> cable, and two HP-HIL boxes.
> 

This is correct; there is also the 46082A, a 15-meter version of the same 
thing.  In either case, there is no active buffering of the video or audio
signals; the boxes at either end do provide buffers for the HIL signals.
The cables used with this product were chosen to produce the minimum 
degradation of the video signal, but I can't guarantee that you won't see
ANY effects from running the video signal this far.

As far as I now, HP does not offer video distribution amplifiers; you could,
however, use any amp with sufficient bandwidth (at least 100 MHz) intended
for 75-ohm, RS-343-level video.  A number of manufacturers make such products.
I have used amps from both Covid and Extron successfully with our video (but
this should not in any way be construed as an HP endorsement or recommendation
of the products of either company, nor does HP guarantee a given 3rd-party
amplifier will work).  Standard "IMHO" disclaimer applies!


Bob Myers  KC0EW   Hewlett-Packard Co.      |Opinions expressed here are not
                   User Interface Tech. Div.|those of my employer or any other
myers@fc.hp.com    Fort Collins, Colorado   |sentient life-form on this planet.
From: mark@roissy.umd.edu (Mark Sienkiewicz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Problem with hp laser II
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:00:23 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <6954@tivoli.UUCP> stuart@TIVOLI.COM (Stuart Jarriel) writes:
>In article <17491@umd5.umd.edu>, mark@roissy.umd.edu (Mark Sienkiewicz) writes:
>
>|> It looks to me like the real problem is that the XXclose routine for the
>|> terminal is changing the baud rate BEFORE the output is drained.  If the
>
>Well, that would be true if a single process was sending data to the printer.
>But SYSV print spooling is a conglomeration of shell scripts, with a cat

yeah, but it is allegedly invoked as 

	interface/name > /dev/whatever

so the shell should be holding the printer open.  When the shell exits,
THEN the last close happens.  The shell should be the only one blocked
waiting for the output to drain.

>
>echo "some control char's to setup the printer"
>cat file
>echo "some more control char's"
>
>It's hard not to get the 300baud spikes.

Ok, but which characters are getting transmitted at 300 baud?  My experience
has been that it's the last N, where N is some number just big enough
to mess up your printout.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.unix.wizards
From: doig@bmerh935.bnr.ca (Kelly Doig)
Subject: HPUX 8.0 csh race condition bug ????
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa, Canada
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:47:48

Greetings;

Has anyone else seen a race condition where the csh hangs when
creating children ??

I am working on a port of telnetd.

The problem I am seeing is that the csh exec'd by login seems to have
a race condition. Children that the csh tries to create sometimes
block somewhere between the fork() and the exec().

ps - shows that the child process has been created but that the name
has not yet been changed. The child process is not waiting on the pty
but is waiting on the _u area which I am told means that only a signal
will awaken it.

If I compile HP's csh code with some of the debug printfs compiled in,
the problem does not appear to happen.

If I compile HP's csh code with the -g option, the problem does not
appear to happen.

Anyone have any idea's ??

Kelly D. Doig
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From: tener@cs.widener.edu (Stuart Tener)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: HP-3000/MPE/HP-UX Box
Date: 13 Dec 1992 14:05:25 -0500
Organization: Widener University Department of Computer Science, Chester PA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: lucy.cs.widener.edu

Hello all. I am an old HP-3000 MPE person. I am interested in finding an
inexpensive MPE box. I mostly come from an HP-3000/48/70/etc...
I am not familiar with the HP models that run both MPE, and HP-UX. But I
am told they exist. I would be interested in know what can be had
cheaply and what might be available used.

thank you,

stuart b. tener
From: njconway@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: When will HP supply PATCHES before they are Required?
Date: 10 Dec 92 15:29:11 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <17780278@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM>, perry@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Perry Scott) writes:
>>    Maybe someone from HP can give the official reason why PATCHES
>>    cannot be sent to customers, *Before* the customer encounters a
>>    problem for which there is a known patch.
> 
> There is movement underway at HP to address this issue.
> 
> The reason why you can't install everything in the patch catalog is
> because patches are only tested against what they are supposed to fix,
> and not tested against all other patch permutations and on all
> configurations.
> 
> The biggest problem is economic.  There are no less than 20 different
> lab groups involved in a general release of HP-UX, each with their own
> piece of the puzzle (ever look at /etc/filesets?).  What customers get
> ...
> Perry Scott
> HP Ft Collins

It's great that it's going to change :)  Seriously though, on an economic
point, what about litigation ?

For example, a person buys a WStn in good faith, uses it for some months, then
has a disk crash.  They go to their backup tapes only to discover that some 
critical (obviously :) files have been corrupted by the backup program and are
unrecoverable.

This person then discovers that a patch has been available for months to 
correct a known problem with the backup program in question...

They have a software support contract with their vendor.

What more could they have done ?  Don't they have a legitimate right to expect
to have been notified about the problem, and offered the patch ?  (We are
talking about critical problems here...  I consider corrupt backups pretty 
serious.)

If I were that person I would feel inclined to sue the vendor...

Even if our person had NO contract, wouldn't he be entitled to a patch for the
broken backup system that he purchased ?


A situation like this exists with HP - we discovered a patch to fbackup (among
other ones to ftio etc.) which caused problems with backups under some
circumstances.  Luckily, we didn't have to go to our old backup tapes at any
stage, so we didn't get bitten.  However, the problem *had* been occurring on
our backups. (I forget the precise symptoms).

Not having read the fine print of contracts, I can't say if a law-suit would be
possible or not, but I defend my right to be pretty disgusted not to have been
told about a known problem of that nature.

apologies for the length


Neil Conway

neil@nebula.ucd.ie
njconway@ccvax.ucd.ie

Xref: sparky comp.sys.hp:14010 misc.forsale.computers:43206 misc.forsale.computers.workstation:404 misc.forsale.computers.other:1073
From: ericf@alnitak.usc.edu (Eric Fung)
Newsgroups: usc.general,comp.sys.hp,misc.forsale.computers,misc.forsale.computers.workstation,misc.forsale.computers.other
Subject: FOR SALE:  HP Data Acquisition System (Bundled)
Followup-To: misc.forsale.computers.d
Date: 12 Dec 1992 01:55:25 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: la
NNTP-Posting-Host: alnitak.usc.edu
Keywords: HP 9000/320, hard disk, I/O and GPIO card, data acquisition unit, pen plotter


I am posting for a professor, please contact him directly for info.
Eric

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Items for sale/trade:

HP 9000/320 (HP 98561B)
- 32-bit SPU
- 16.6MHz 68020
- MC68881 floating point coprocessor 
- 16Kb cache

40Mb Winchester Hard Disk (HP 9133L)

Direct Connect Passive I/O Expander with 8 slots (HP 98568A)

16-bit GPIO Interface Card (HP 98622A)

Data Acquisition & Control Unit (HP 3852A)
- 48-channel multiplexer, high speed DVM

HP 7475A 6-pen Graphics Plotter
- HP-IB (IEEE-488) interface

HP BASIC 4.0


I bought the entire system back in '87 for ~30K, I am now asking
for the best offer.  I am willing to trade the bundle for PCs
and/or other scientific instruments.

Dr. Bernie Bauer
bbauer@uscvm.bitnet
(213) 740-0051

From: robs@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com (Rob Slotemaker CRC)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:08:34 GMT
Subject: Re: lp information
Organization: HP-Sales Office-The Netherlands
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

In addition to Allyn Fratkin's response I can say the lpstat that comes with
HP-UX 9.0 also reports the remote printer and system name. Note the information
is stored in /usr/spool/lp/pstatus, but it isn't all ASCII in that file.


Best regards,

Rob Slotemaker, Dutch Response Center

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: system@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (System Admin (Mike Peterson))
Subject: Re: Problems with 'named'
Keywords: named gated network TCP/IP problem trouble red alert
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:40:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.154406.2988@news.arc.nasa.gov> okuyama@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Darin Okuyama YR) writes:
>I have an HP 9000/730 and I am running HP-UX 8.07.  I have
>'named' installed but it doesn't work to well, here are
>the symptoms:
>
>  -- only the 'root' seems to be served by 'named',
>     most things don't work for normal users (ftp,
>     telnet, nslookup, etc.).  Here is the output
>     from an 'nslookup' session:
>
>*** Can't find address for server daxam: Non-existent domain
>*** Warning - the local domain is not set.
>*** Either hostname should be a domain name,
>*** the domain should be specified in /etc/resolv.conf,
>*** or the shell variable LOCALDOMAIN should be set.
>
>  -- 'hostname' is returning a non-fully-qualified IP
>     name.
>  -- nobody (not even the root) can get the name server
>     to resolve address outside the domain (arc.nasa.gov).

Unless your /etc/resolv.conf file contains nonsense, or you are
resolving names by NIS instead of DNS, you may have fallen on the
$INCLUDE bug in HP-UX named --- if you use $INCLUDE, it will destroy
your named data, since things like SOA records in the included file
are not seen, and IP address, etc, are garbled (many of ours got 255
inserted into one of the fields, which were easy to spot from a database
dump).

This problem is not fixed in 9.0.

We have compiled our own named from BSD source, and it works better
but not perfectly (the $INCLUDE does work properly however). We still
have timeouts resolving names that should be resolved quickly,
and are resolved properly if nslookup is asked to find the name again
immediately after the failure. Nslookup also complains about a lot
of FORMAT ERRORS, with success upon a retry. This causes telnet, ping,
mail to fail when there is nothing wrong.
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From: dave@hpdstma.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Password without special characters?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 18:14:55 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpdstma.ptp.hp.com

In article <9212141231.PN16455@LL.MIT.EDU>, killoran@ll.mit.edu (Mike Killoran) writes:
|> 
|> Hi,
|> 
|> 	Is there a way around HP's requirement that all passwords
|> have a number or special character in them?  I have found that using
|> SAM, one may change the password to any string.  This isn't what I'm
|> looking for though.  I want users to be able to enter a password 
|> without any intervention by the sys admin.  It seems as though
|> different requirements for passwords should be a configurable thing,
|> like password expiration.

The only way to enter a password without restriction is to do it as root.
This is a standard security feature that one will find on almost any UNIX
variant, although some do allow non-root users to set passwords without
restrictions.

-- 
Dave Waller
Hewlett-Packard Co.
Workstation Systems Division
Sunnyvale Channel Partner Consulting
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: Y. S. Lo <augustine-lo@cuhk.hk>
Subject: Need Ftp site for popper 1.8 work with HP/UX 8.07
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A752D4202F01062B@garfield.csc.cuhk.hk>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 15 Dec 92 16:15:28 GMT
Organization: Computer Services Centre, The Chinese University of Hong Kong
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:24:28 GMT

Hi, does anyone port the latest pop server (popper 1.8?) on HP/UX 8.07?
Is there any ftp site I could get this from?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: minh@lis.rch.unimelb.edu.au (Minh Tran)
Subject: wtmp, btmp getting to big !!!
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:14:19 GMT


	Is there way to delete entries in wtmp, btmp, they are really
	chewing up space, thanks.

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