From: exuasqa@exu.ericsson.se (Asem Qaddoura,xt-dk,1209)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Re: Hekmatyar an Awlia-ul-lah or MUSAD colla
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:36:24 GMT
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In article 13238@wam.umd.edu, endevour@next06csc.wam.umd.edu (.) writes:

>True that Western news do get influenced by the political normes 
>of the day and true that it gets twisted now and then. But, to date, 
>this is one of the least biased system of news gathering so far. 
>
>And then the Afghans do not totally rely on western news agencies for 
>their news gathering. There is about four million Afghans living as 
>refugees in its neighbouring Pakistan and Iran. These people have eyes 
>ears and they have no motive to twist what they see and what they hear. 
>They tell it as it is. That is where most Afghans get their information.
>Mr.Hekmatyar, through the years, have become a seperate and not an 
>integral factor of Afghan life. His organization is considered shadowy 
>and its members can not and do not mix well with the people. 

	All what I am aasking is: Make sure what you hear is correct,
	Dont point fingures at nobody if you don't know for sure-as
	you will be questioned by Allah for all what you said, and
	how did you make sure that the sources you have are correct.
	I have friends, who left to Afghanistan, and two of them were
	in the front lines 2-3 weeks ago.  I relate what they say to
	what the Kafirs say, and then come up with the conclusion that
	every country on this earth(governments) are against the rise
	of an Islamic state in Afghanistan.  Just few days ago, Britain
	announced for a meeting that all Mujahideen leaders should 
	attend(for a peace talk), and who ever does not come to the
	meeting,listen to this, Britain will send their troops to fight
	them.  Any way, stop pointing fingures and say that this person
	or that person is only seeking power, that is not a good enough
	justification.  Those who strive for power don't spend 14+ years
	of their life doing so, and then they get nothing.
	
	 

>
>I was in Pakistan for over a decade and I saw the Jihad start and evolve 
>into its present form. Mr.Gulbudin's men did not participate in the Jihad
>until they were really forced to. On the contrary they did an excellant
>job of creating security zones around their arm dumps and strong holds, 
>fought wars against rival strong commanders and carried out raids against
>political foes. Going through Hezb's zone in Afghanistan was considered
>as journey through the heart of darkness. Like the Khaqies they would
>interrogate you and if found guilty of being closely related to an 
>opponent of Mr.Hekmatyar a firing squad was always ready at hand. 

	I am sorry to tell you that what your sources did not have the
	right picture, that's all.

>
>Definitly. The so called Muslim sources are centers of politicized 
>activities disquised under the hood of Islam. One would rather deal 
>with a Kafer who tells on the face that he is Kafer than with a Munafeq
>whose hue and cry of Islam is yet another disguise for manipulating 
>poor souls towards their own evil means. 
>
	It is sad to see muslims are thinking that way, and what else
	they ignore what the Qur'an says about the feeling of the people
	of the book towards us muslims.
	We muslims must listen to the Qur'an with heart and souls, not
	just ears.
	
>It is easy to deny reality. Yes, I was not in Kabul and did not witness
>the 600 rocket/hour raid of Mr.Hekmatyar but enough of my relatives 
>make out of the carnage the tell me horror stories of what happend and
>who was responsible for it. Ok, let us assume that my relatives, who are
>Muslims, are confused. Let us try Mr.Hekmatyar's sources themselves. They
>claim to be stationed in certain geographic region of Kabul. Now given 
>that Mr.Hekmatyar is the strongest gorilla group his men must be in full
>control of that  region. Then also I would be safe to say that any 
>extended rocketing from that geographic regions must be the doing of 
>Mr.Hekmatyar's men. Ok, let us assume that the rockets were fired by 
>a renegade Hezb member. Ok, how can a renegade Hezb member launch 
>an average of 600 rockets per hour for two days in a row. 

	Mr.Hekmatyar(before he lunched his rockets) warned all the people
	in Kabul that he will.  Only if communist Dostum, don't surrender
	his power to the islamic government.  So, all the people new that
	and yes they left Kabul because it was clear to them that the war
	between kafirs and Muslims is not over yet.


>
>Obviously Mr.Hekmatyar willfully carried out the operation to rid himself
>of the political opponent Mr.Dostum.  Now if Mr.Hekmatyar is a Muslim, 
>then he should not kill innocent Muslims for the sin of an opponent. 
>If Hekmatyar do not like Dostum it is because Dostum is considered not 
>to be a good Muslim and his remaining in power will hurt the umma. But

	Dostum is a person who was (all of his life) a communist and
	he has been fighting the Mujahideen since the beginig of the
	war.  can not say much about him.  How could muslims accept
	him as aleader??????	
>
>So, as you can see it is not easy to buy your attempt to take us for fools 
>who are exorcized by the western mass media. We know you all and we ( the
>Afghans) will remember all that has passed in the past few years. 

	I don't get it!
>
>The Kabul residents who left their homes burning, thier children burried 
>under rubble will not forget. Nor it would be easy to deceive them into 
>thinking that it was for their own good that Hekmatyar destroyed their 
>city. Afghans are a strange nation. When they get hurt and they are weak 
>they simple make themselves scarce. But then, suddenly, they reappear with
>a force that no mountain can stop. Bacha-e-Saqaw ( son of water carrier) 
>saw the consequences of such a return. So did the communists. So will 
>Mr.Hekmatyar. It is just a matter of time.  

	We have two choices, one is to go there and find out the truth
	and help the honest muslims over there, the second is wait and
	see what happens, if we choose so we must not jump to conclusions.
>
>
>> You should ask yourself, if Hekmatyar is as you mentioned above, then I 
>> think he gathered all the money(from drugs) in 13 years, If you were him
>> you would leave that war and start using the gathered money?? Please  
>don't
>> say his masters will not allow him,
>
>First of all his ambitions are far greater than petty drug dealing. He is
>in a way a higly motivated person. He does not want money but power. Power

	It seems that you know him in person, maybe you just came from
	his house, once again what has he got out of it, is he living
	in a great castle, house, a mutli-Biln'r.

>at any cost. His unwillingness to share it with his fellow Peshawarites 
>is a good indication that he wants it all for himself. And no I will 
>not say that his masters do not allow him to take the booty and make 
>a run for it. He does not want to go himself. He wants the power even
>if it is achieved in the cost of splitting Afghanistan. 
>
>Also, can any one tell me if Mr.Hekmatyar ( the AMEER OF HEZB-E-ISLAMI)
>is fighting for ummah or for the Pushtoons ? it seems to me that following
>his strife with Dostum, who is a Tajik, Mr.Hekmatyar is quit at ease 
>at being called a Pushtoon leader. So what happened to Hasan-ul-Bana 
>and Mowlana Mowdodi ? is he not fundamentalist any more ? Has he 
>decided to become the Pushtoon Leader ? And what kind of Pushtoon leader
>is he that his men are killing the very Pushtoons in Kandahar. Or could
>it be that the Pushtoons in Kandahar region are Durrani and they are 
>considered a threat given their tribal link to former King Zaher Shah. 

	This arguement has no place, now we are opening a new page that
	was not there  14 years ago.  If so, tell me his words about it?	
>
>How is it that it is convinient to be a Pushtoon in Kabul when faced 
>with the Uzbeks and an Ikhwani in Kandahar when faced with Durannaies.
>Maybe for once you can accept the fact that Mr.Hekmatyar would crawl 
>under any skin as long as he can eliminate his opponents. 
>
>Do let us know what is Mr.Hekmatyar's current idiological belief so 
>that we stop listening to the western massmedia and get some info 
>form the inner circle of Hezb. Try not to mock us and treat us like
>intelligent being and we will listen.
>
> you guys must wake up, and it least
>> ask Allah to lead you to the truth, and to give victory to those who are
>> on the path of Allah and his Prophet (SAWS).
>> Until now WE don't deserve an islamic state, why becuase we are not  
>standing
>> next to each other, but In-Sha'a-Allah it will come on the hands of  
>Hekmatyar
>> and the true muslims.
>>
>
>Afghanistan has always been an Islamic state ( except during the 
>communist take over) so I do not understand your pushing for it. It is 
>obvious that the first requirement of the future, free and milli regime 
>in Afghanistan will be to declare it as an Islamic state. 
>
>But what you call the Islamic state ( by your definition) is yet 
>another form of Maxist Dictatorship except, the dictators claim to 
>be Muslims. Sir, that dream will never come true as long as one 
>one Afghan bacha is alive in Afghan Zameen. If you feel like adventurism
>go to your own idiological surrogates ( maybe Sudan) and experiment 
>as much as you want to. Afghans are no Guinne Pigs on which you can 
>test your pet idiological pells  which  are suger coated with your version
>of Islam. Afghans are better Muslims than the most of you and fourteen
>years of  Jihad fe sabeel lullah and two millions of Martyrs are proof  
>enough. 
>
	I don't know why you are attaking me and all I wish is a true
	Islamic state in Afghanistan,  I have all kind of respect for
	those Mujahideen in Afghanistan for what they have done to the
	muslims, basically they raised the spirit of Jihad among a sleeping
	Ummah, and I pray for the victory of the true muslims over there.
	

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