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From: hesche@cs.tu-berlin.de (Herwig Schelauske)
Subject: Re: Sagrotan docs in English?
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:14:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.130042.19003@aston.ac.uk> wrighttj@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Auntie Tim) writes:

 > 	I just got 'sagrotan' from atari.archive, but unfortunately it
 > doesn't seem to have any english language docs with it, just German,
 > which I'm afraid I can't understand at all... Does anyone have any
 > english docs for this, or should I just try to work it out anyway? 

Two years ago, Sagrotan was a good anti-virus-programm. V4.17 is the
last shareware-version (there exists now a comercial version) and to
old to find newer viruses.

Try to get Virendetector >=V3.1 from Volker Soehnitz, its Shareware
and up to date (docs are in german, too).

Ciao
                           Herwig
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: azog@world.std.com (Azog Thoth)
Subject: MiNT, ksh, MGR, blah blah blah
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:34:23 GMT

Ive recently gotten MiNT 094, and MGR, and have some questions. 

For those who dont know MGR, is a way cool window manager, rather
similar to early versions of X. I run it on my AT&T 3b1. It includes
a window manager, and stuff to handle client/server. 

Has anyone done anything with MGR lately? Ive been collecting the MiNT
libraries and am going to attempt to write some MGR specific stuff, 
both on the ST and the 3b1. 

One real neat thing to see, even if you know it exists, is to see a
MGR client running remotely, doing stuff on your local machine. 
On the 3b1, I started eyes, and it followed the local mouse pointer.
Pretty neat.

One last thing. WHen MultiTOS becomes available to everyone, is MiNT
gonna die? I sure hope not! With the above software, Ive given my 
ST a totally new look

Thanx


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From: zelator.in-berlin.d!techno@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: NVDI
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:17:00 GMT
Organization: Puplic-Access-Xenix-System
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In <1992Jul21.232415.18774@kth.se> f90-jos@nada.kth.se (Johan Sm}ros) writes:

>I would like to know about the NVDI package. Is it the best?
>What does it do besides screen speed-up? Is it better than Warp 9/Quick ST 
and
>Turbo ST?

Well, as a speeder it is a waste of money, but if you need a decent
GDOS, go for it. I used THEIR OWN BENCHMARKS, and Turbo ST 1.8 beat
each and every one of them (there are over 20) with and without
Blitter (I own a 4MB 1040 STe). If anyone is interested, I can post
the result files. Mind you, these benchmarks are supplied *with* NVDI
! Needless to say, I was very dissapointed as I hate GDOS in all
forms.

        Hope this helps,

            Techno

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From: azog@world.std.com (Azog Thoth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: CLA_V1.PRG
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:30:36 GMT
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die

grant.ranson@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Grant Ranson) writes:

> 
>I extracted to the root of my E: drive by using the following
>commandline for LZH201D.TTP:
> 
>    x -rm cla1_v1.lzh e:\  
> 
>and didn't experience any problems.  I then copied all CLA-related
>files to a folder called E:\CLA, and the program still ran properly. 
>Watch your memory usage, though.  I have a 1MB machine, and CLA won't
>run unless I clear out all accessories, etc. 
>Hope this helps. 
> 

What are your specs on your machine? I have a 4mb STe, with an ICD 
AdSCSI+ adapter, and TOS 2.06, and nothing I did could get it to run.
I extracted it to a floppy, and booted without the AUTO folder and
accessories (holding CONTROL key), and it didnt work. I turned off the
hard drive, and booted from a single floppy, and still no dice. 
Oh, btw: its mono, if that matters...


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From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:17:48 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <1992Jul28.033249.27525@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys) writes:
>
>P.S. When the Falcon 030 is released, I think we are all going to have
>to get together and give software companies a wake-up call.  The present
>amount of new ST software released in the U.S. is close to nothing
>and European software are becomming very few.  
>

Whenever someone says that, I'm curious what kind of software they're 
looking for.  I've got software that I don't even have time to use, and 
none of it is games.

So, Len, what kind of software are you looking for that isn't currently
available?  If anyone else wants to jump in, please do. :^)


Actually, one might think that in a small market such as the ST's, everyone
would hear about a product right when it was released.  Unfortunately, the
press and the developers selling the product don't always seem to walk hand
in hand to get the word out.  There's a new image manipulation package out
from Canada (I think) called INVISION Elite.  There's good support for it
on GEnie, but it seems the only ones who know about it are on GEnie.  I
don't recall if any of the on-line magazines ran a press release on it, 
although there was a GEnie Real-time Conference on it recently, so that
may have been included in a magazine.  There's an excellent demo of it
with sample pics that I would upload to atari.archive, but I don't have
FTP access (at least to send I don't).  If someone wants to send it to 
atari.archive, I could probably uuencode it and send it your way.

INVISION Elite is real high-quality stuff.  Apparently, Mario Georgio from
DMC Publishing (ISD Marketing) loves it.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: Steven.Wells@actrix.gen.nz (Steven Wells)
Subject: Re: ST Format Fire and Ice demo difficulty
Organization: Actrix Networks
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 05:22:24 GMT


Ever thought of running 50/60Hz changer to get the machine into 50Hz
mode?  It may work....
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From: vombruch@quando.quantum.de (Stefan vom Bruch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon
Date: 30 Jul 92 05:32:08 GMT
Organization: Quantum Software GmbH, Dortmund, Germany
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen) writes:
: In article <1992Jul28.033249.27525@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys) writes:
: >
: >P.S. When the Falcon 030 is released, I think we are all going to have
: >to get together and give software companies a wake-up call.  The present
: >amount of new ST software released in the U.S. is close to nothing
: >and European software are becomming very few.  
: >
: 
: Whenever someone says that, I'm curious what kind of software they're 
: looking for.  I've got software that I don't even have time to use, and 
: none of it is games.
: 
: So, Len, what kind of software are you looking for that isn't currently
: available?  If anyone else wants to jump in, please do. :^)
: 
[ stuff deleted ]

What kind of software? How about:
	Monkey Island II
	King's Quest V
	Indiana Jones - Fate of Atlantis
	Wing Commander II
	Falcon V3.0
	Sim Ant
	Aces of the Pacific
	Battle Isle
plus almost any future release of American software companies and most
European companies including:
	A - Train
	Darklands
	Sim Farm
	Sim City 2000
	Strike Commander
	Leather Goddesses of Phobos 2

I don't want to start any discussions about how good some of the games
actually are or if they are worth buying at all. The point is that you
don't have the choice because as far as I know there will never be  an
ST - version of them.
The decision wether I am going to buy a Falcon or not depends on how much 
software support it will get. It can only be successful if there is
enough support.
I hope there are not too many ST users out there who share your opinion
that there is nothing to worry about.

See ya, Stefan

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dstailey@leidecker.gsfc.nasa.gov (Douglas Stailey)
Subject: atari/new at atari.archive
Organization: /dstailey/.organization
	<1992Jul27.114851.17433@slcs.slb.com>
	<1992Jul27.215538.28760@convex.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 02:55:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.215538.28760@convex.com> rosenkra@convex.com (William Rosenkranz) writes:

   if all u want to do is start the occasional GEM program under tcsh, i posted
   a program to atari.archive to do this. as i recall it is a file called
   rg10.zoo (rg = "run gem"). it is basically like the "gem" command in gulam
   and other shells. note that gem must already be running (actually started,
   not "running"). it is in ~ftp/atari/new (you can't do an "ls" but u can
   get the file with "get rg10.zoo") on a.a.

Thanks for the clue, I was looking for this.  Since the archive is not
updated during the Summer, a number of interesting MiNT-related
programs seem to have found there way into atari/new.  Can anyone list
the names of these programs, since without knowing the names, you
can't retrieve them.

For all I know, there's a new version of MiNT out there :-)

Thanks,

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: Steven.Wells@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: Spectre GCR
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:03:25 GMT


Spectre 3.1?  Haven't heard anything about that!

On the subject though, how does Spectre emulate the mac's 525*350 (or
something like that) resolution.  ANd therefore, does it work okay on
a colour ST??
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: truong@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (hoa nhu truong)
Subject: Re: Mac Laptop for sale
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:20:28 GMT

In article <9207211403.AA14695@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu> you write:
>
>Posted for a friend:
>
>	Mac Laptop computer (outbound system)
>
>	4/40
>	1MB silicone drive (very fast HD, upgradable to 16MB using regular SIMM
>	super floppy drive
>	scsi interface
>	16MHz 68000
>	2 extra batteries (3 hours each), ac adaptor
>	outbound corduray case
>	infrared keyboard, isopoint mouse, external mouse
>
>	This is a much better machine than the powerbook 100 by apple.  It is
>only 1 year old, and I am asking $950 for it.
>
>	ASKING $950
>=========================================================
>
>Response to this account and I'll relay the message, or call 614-299-6664 for
 more info
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: using the cartridge port as a file device ?
From: tonyl@status.gen.nz (Tony Lewis)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 12:37:07 GMT
Organization: Z*NET Global News Gateway in Auckland New Zealand

Rudi, do you happen to have the article in C't magazine on the
OMTI hard drive adapter/controller. Did it have a template for
the circuit board as it is no longer available to buy? If you
have the article would I be able to get a photocopy of the
article and what address do I write to? Please help me if you
can. Thanks in advance. Tony Lewis from Down Under in New Zealand.

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From: aking@bbn.com (Allen King)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari Messe
Date: 31 Jul 1992 17:02:40 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Reply-To: aking@BBN.COM (Allen King)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
Keywords: Germany Messe Atari


	Atari TT For Sale:

		CPU	-- 	32MHz, 030 
		RAM	--	8 Meg 
		DISK	--	80MB
		MONITOR	--	NEC 2A Color

	Software (All with origional manuals):
		Lattice C 5, Mark Williams C, Alcyon C
		Neodesk 3.0, Dr T's Tiger Cub, Dr T's KCS 1.6
			

Excellent Condition, used 1 year. Half of going commercial TT price.

   Respond directly to:
	email:		aking.bbn.com
	day phone	1-617-873-2547
	evenings	1-617-449-3359
From: naffara@crc.ac.uk (Dr. N.A. Affara)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Difference between SCSI and SCSI 2?
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:27:17 GMT
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre

Can anyone tell me what the difference between SCSI (1) and SCSI 2 is?
Or for that matter the difference between SCSI and for example IDE?
(apart from the fact that they use different connectors)
Thanks
Phil
(E-mail naffara@uk.ac.crc)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: alvear@galileo.cs.jhu.edu (Domingo Bruno Alvear)
Subject: Best Electronics Phone #
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: best electronics phone number requested
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:03:18 GMT

I need their number ASAP.  E-mail of course.

Thanks in advance,

Dom (alvear@cs.jhu.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari Something (?) Magazine
From: tonyl@status.gen.nz (Tony Lewis)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 16:50:49 GMT
Organization: Z*NET Global News Gateway in Auckland New Zealand

> Actually, last night I learned that new publishers will take over Atari
> Advantage, according to Rob Robinson from AA on GEnie.
> 
> What confusion!  I guess the best thing to do is just to wait 'till the
> smoke clears.
> 
Following on from this, what happened to the Start magazine subscriptions
I was only 2 issues into a sub costing $140 NZ, when it stopped without
anything in the way of apology or letter from the publishers. Is the
company still in business. Do I have any comeback against them??

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hasse@solace.hsh.se (Hans Holmberg)
Subject: Atari Explorer Online no. 9207 & 9208
Keywords: AEO
Organization: Solace Computer Society, Sundsvall, Sweden
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:24:56 GMT

Just uploaded aeo9207.zoo and aeo9208.zoo on a.a.u.e and ftp.uni-kl.de

/Hasse

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From: only_bbs!Pizza_Thief@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: (none)
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:55:00 GMT
Organization: Ouch! That Hurt!
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X-Spam-content: irrelevant

concerning midimaze ii: 
 (editor)....it has been mentioned that the midimaze ii editor would be sent 
to those who register their midimaze ii software as shareware with the 
author.  the german docs seems to hint at this (i don't read german) as well.
  I have as of yet received no word from anyone concerning whether they have 
actually registered the thing, and what might be the easiest way to go about 
it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: 16-Voice Tracker.  Where is it?
From: Steven.Wells@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 04:28:53 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange


Hey, Empire, is there any more news of the 16-Voice tracker, (the
followup to that great Dynamite demo)

We at our User group are eagerly awaiting it!  We need something to
show off the STE's sound capabilities.

(Graphics - not a problem, 4096 colour animations look GOOD!)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: turbine@cix.compulink.co.uk (David Ford)
Subject: Re: Memory Upgrade
Reply-To: turbine@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:44:29 +0000

Frontier Xtra-RAM delux is one of the best boards avaliable for the job as it
also gives you the oppertunity to upgrade to 4Mb later on with SIMMs. Not all
Sts can cope with 2.5Mb. If yous can you will have to switch off 512K but the
manual explains how to do that. It also comes with a test disk to check the memory after installation. For most machines no soldering is required.

Hope this helps.

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From: molin@crs.cl.msu.edu (Michael Olin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Attempt at Objective View of Atari
Date: 26 Jul 92 06:55:01 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

jawalsh@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (John Anthony Walsh) writes:

>After hearing all the hoopla about Atari and MIDI, there was not one
>booth at this "Atarifest" running anything MIDI related.  To me, this is
>a serious flaw in organizing.

Get used to it, if you're planning to get into the Atari environment...
You'll like their hardware, but as a company they suck.  They're small
peanuts in a big barrel, and that's all they'll ever be until the 
current regime is overthrown.  Don't count on that happening soon.

>Can I get good software for
>my machine (Wordprocessing, communications, database, etc.--I know there
>are good DTP programs and plenty o' games).

Find someone who has an Atari already and ask them to show you the
demo version of Caligrapher...  Regardless of Atari's desire to be
the smallest computer company on the planet, you'll not regret owning
one for word processing if you end up using this package.

Find someone who has an Atari already and ask them to show you Flash
or Flash II.  Telcomm on the Atari is a joy!

Look around for an Atari user group, and you'll find people who will
happily show you the fun things they're doing with their Atari machines.
Just don't tell Atari Corp that you like their machines.  That seems
to be a sure way to get them to not produce it.

    -MOlin
From: molin@crs.cl.msu.edu (Michael Olin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon
Date: 27 Jul 92 04:30:06 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:

>Umm... we should see working models of the Falcon on sale in the next
>two or three weeks.  I know of few dealers who would be telling their
>customers, Oh yeah, I'm gonna be carrying that if the machine was really
>vapor.  Besides, the most recent stats I've seen are too consistent and
>realistic to not be believed.

I'm not saying they won't be released.  I'm saying you won't be able to
get one.  They're gonna trickle out slow  slooooww   SLLOOOOOOWWWWWWW.

Name one machine the Tramiel-Atari company has EVER released in good
quantities?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: techno@zelator.in-berlin.de (Frank Dahncke)
Subject: Re: Atari 386 computers?
Organization: Puplic-Access-Xenix-System
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 19:51:27 GMT

In <1992Jul23.074443.7530@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:

>Ad by IB computers in computer shopper says

>"Portfolio and Atari 386 computers"
>SEND sase for price list


What's so strange about this ? Atari has been manufacturunig PC clones
for>Thomalmost five years now.We have one in our firm and it's 
working very well (for a Messy-DOS machine, that is).

									  Techno

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From: mmartin@neumann.une.edu.au (Mark Martin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: CLA_V1.PRG RUNS ON TOS 1.0 ....
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:13:23 GMT



	There have been several posts concerning problems running the
extracted cla_v1.prg, a digital circuit simulator. I was also having
problems until I used version 2.01h of lharc downloaded from
atari.archive.umich.edu. The -x switch must be set on lharc.ttp to
extract to the required directories.

	I am using a 1 meg 1040ST with TOS 1.0. The manual says that
the program will run on a 520 but I get 3 bombs or an error message
unless there is 700k or more free RAM.
	
	I haven't had a chance to really try the program yet but at
first glance it looks quite interesting for those people with a
perverse interest in logic circuits and suchlike.

Mark.

email: mmartin@neumann.une.edu.au

From: jensk@hpbbrd.bbn.hp.com (Jens Kilian)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:58:01 GMT
Subject: Trouble with MiNT 0.94 and GEM.PRG
Organization: HP Mechanical Design Division
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st

What INIT program are you using ? What's in your MINT.CNF file ?
If your answers are `none' and `nothing', why are you using GEM.PRG ?

	Jens.
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From: v5914ane@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Steve)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Hard drives for st?
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:45:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	How hard is it to make a hard disk adapter for the st.  I want to 
use a ibm hd for my 520st, what do I have to do?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Civilization ?
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:17:42 GMT

In article <BrqMEp.7CL@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> ksagouro@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Konstantinos Agouros (Inf4 - hiwi)) writes:
>Hello,
>
>this might have been asked before, but is there a version of the Micropose Game
>Civilzation for the ST??
>

Well, there's good news, and bad news...

The Good news: Civilisation WILL be released on the ST!

The Bad news: Civilisation will be the last thing that Microprose ever produces
for the ST. They are joining the long line of Atari-abandoners...


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