From: david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: Teen Agent, Can you Hear Me? Teen Agent, Can You See Me? (was: Clay Shaw is Clay Bertrand, Oswald *was* a Teen Agent
Date: 29 Aug 92 18:45:53 GMT
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In article <28AUG199215373670@rigel.tamu.edu> mst4298@rigel.tamu.edu (Mitchell S Todd) writes:
|(David Wright) writes...
||mst4298@zeus.tamu.edu (Mitchell S Todd) writes:
|
||||There is nothing conspiratorial about it. How do you think the CIA recruits
||||people for deep cover anyway? It has already been shown that they in fact do
||||look at young people Oswald's age.
|
|||	It has? where has this been shown, since I haven't seen it.
|
||well, Here is Paul's article, carefull, I didn't bother double quoting it:
|
||In article <92228.024434U54778@uicvm.uic.edu|, U54778@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
|
|[...]
|
||Funny you should mention Sturgis, Alan.  Here's an excerpt from the taped
||interview of Sturgis by Michael Canfield.  
|
||The excerpt is taken from "Coup D'Etat in America" by Canfield and Webberman.
|
||STURGIS: -- and a number of other people and so forth.  Okay, well, I
||think I told you earlier that I don't know if I'm a CIA agent or was a
||CIA agent or not
||because the top brass in CIA first denies me then they acknowledge me, then 
||they deny me, so I don't know what the hell I am, but all I know is I've
||been involved in a lot of activities for the United States government, from
||the very beginning -- from the time that I joined the United States Marine
||Corps when I first turned seventeen years old up until the present day, 
|
|
|	Actually, its a leap to use this as evidence that Sturgis was
|	a CIA agent in the Marines. 

It does not seem to be a leap at all. Sturgis  is talking about weather he is a
CIA agent, and says that he has been involved in a lot of activities from his
age of 17 untill the present, where he does engage in intelligence activities,
call it CIA or not. He does not say that he did normal marine work when he
joined and is now doing intelligence work. He makes no distinction. He implies
a general pattern of behavior that is consistent from the time he joined the
marines till the present. That is the point he is making.


|
||And here is another article by someone who I did not get the name of. This is
||not double quoted as well. Next time, please keep up with the net.
|
|||just to set the record in a realistic mode.  I know for a fact that during
|||the late 40's early 50's the CIA did use teens. My father-in-law according to
|||his DD214 was a member of the OSS (CIA) he was born in 28 and in 1945
|||was recruited by the OSS making him 17. and continued in this field of
|||employment
|||until 1968.
|
|	But what did daddy do for the OSS? was he a field operative or
|	a desk jockey?

What did daddy do for the OSS? Are you being insultive on purpose, or is it
something you cannot avoid when being proved wrong?

||||I see. It's just a coincidence that Ferrie and Oswald were in the CAP?
|
|||	Since Oswald attended only two or three meetings before
|||	losing interest and dropping out, I seriously doubt that
|||	there is anything more than a casual connection. 
|
||You can doubt all you want. I don't know why you don't doubt the obvious
||things like Oswald was *not* connected to intelligence.
|
|	Maybe it's because the case for Oswald being a secret agent
|	is a tempest in a teacup. 

None the less the evidence is overwelming that he had intelligence
connections.

||||It is just a coincidence that Oswald goes to the Atsui Air Force base in Japan,
||||or comes back and does work that needs a secret clearance,
|
|||	What work that needed a secret clearence? 
|
||"-Stiles" or whatever the name of the photographic work he did, as well as his
||work in California. See Summers' Conspiracy, or Mealanson's book.
|
|	Oswald's clearence in the Marines was "confidential," the lowest
|	of clearences. Further, although the graphics company that Oswald worked
|	for did classified work, it did many other, not-at-all secret
|	things. So far as I have seen, there is no evidence that Oswald
|	worked in the secret end of the business. 

Please read Summers' conspiracy, then. In any event, Oswald leaves a trail of
these secret clearence jobs from the time he comes back from Atsui till the
photographer's job.

||||or gets venereal disease in "the line of duty"?
|
|||	Or he just got VD and convinced the doctor/corpsman to add
|||	"in the line of	duty" so Oswald would stay out of trouble?
|
||Just another in one of your casual connections? Why would a doctor put such a
||thing down if it was lie?
|
|	Just to be a nice guy? Also, folks with military experience
|	tell me that VD cases are handled by corpsmen suprisingly often.
|	Oswald could have convinced/paid the person making the report
|	to put the "in the line of duty."
|
|	One  possibility that is not considered is that Oswald was 
|	infected while donating blood. That would be considered
|	"in the line of duty."

That was not consisderd since you cannot get vd while donating blood. 

||||You must have read the connections, the ease at which he passed between
||||countries,
|
|||	How hard would it have to be? 
|
||Can you say Cold War?
|
|	Which countries are we talking about here?  The US couldn't
|	help Oswald get into the Soviet Union, and I have yet to
|	see it shown that Oswald got into the US abnormally easily.

The US let Oswald into the Soviet Union, and paid for his way back, and yet
the CIA apparently did not even meet with him. 

||||his confession that he was going to spill secrets to the Soviets, etc
|
|||	Now this is a new one. Who did he say this to, and when?
|
||It is not new at all. It is in Conspiracy, Garrison's book, Marrs' book. Maybe
||you should spend less time reading exotic articles on ballistics and more
||on the case.
|
|	So you mean while he was in the US embassy in the Soviet Union.
|	Ok, I know about that. I thought for some reason that he was
|	supposed to have said it before he left for Russia.

So why did he get such a nice treatment when he left the USSR, if he expressed
the desire to defect?

|
|||..What do you make of this?
|
|||	Certainly not moutains out of molehills.

||Just a thousand casual connections that the WR did not want us to know about?
|
|	Much, much fewer than a thousand, and even those are tenuous
|	at best.
|

I see. Just a coincidence then.

|||	Well, you started out by saying that the Soviets knew Oswald
|||	was a spy. I saw the Nightline episode and the associated
|||	newspaper, etc articles, and they only claimed that the 
|||	Soviets suspected that LHO was a spy. Since the Soviets
|||	have released their files on Oswald, I'm sure we'd know
|||	by now if they could prove it. The Soviets would have suspected
|||	Oswald whether he was a spy or not.
|
||Let us say they thought Oswald was a spy with a certain probability, and yet
||they did not kill, torture or wound him.
|
|	I'm sticking to what the Soviets said and not what "we" say.

If the Soviets suspected Oswald was a spy, and did nothing about it, then that
proves how supposedly dangerous a spy mission would be.
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