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From: tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
Subject: Advice on SUB and FUNCTION management in MSBasic 7.0(7.1)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 21:14:02 CST
Reply-To: zeta%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

I am in need of some advice.  I've recently started a job at a company that
uses Microsoft Basic Professional Development System 7.0, or 7.1 for their
applications.  

I am now in charge of reorganizing, indexing and cross referencing all the
procedures and functions in the code.  There is approximately 4 to 8 megs
of code to weed through.  I have to do the following:
   
   1.   Compile a list of all FUNCTIONS and SUBROUTINES called in
        the programs.
   
   2.   Compile a list of all FUNCTIONS and SUBROUTINES declared in
        the programs.

I need to be able to determine what program calls which routine.  These
are all going to be in a library and I have to make sure that there are
no functions or subroutines called that were removed as obsolete.  

I need to make sure there is a subroutine or function call for each one
declared.  That there is one declared for every one that is called.  

Is there any way to make the compiler or linker display this information in
some manner that I can then use to create this list?  Or are there any 
software packages either commercial or shareware/public domain that will do
what I am needing to do?  There has to be something available for library
and code management for MS Basic.

This is a very serious application, with shared libraries and special 
libraries for the various sections within the application.

Can someone with more experience with managing large basic libraries point
me in the right direction?  I've done some minor stuff, but not like this..
I am not looking forward to digging through and doing all this by hand.  That
would be quite time consuming, more so that I really care to do.

Thanks in advance for any help you might be able to offer.

Greg

Programming in basic is not as easy as a lot of people make it seem.  Sure it
is easy for quick little programs and some more advanced stuff.  I had never
seen anything like what I'm working on now in basic before.  This basic 
compiler is as powerful as C or Pascal and a lot easier in many respects.
It just takes more care to keep things tidy and straight so things to get 
out of hand.


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From: jarnold@tixel.mv.com (Jon Arnold)
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
Subject: Power BASIC
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 19:16:53 GMT
Organization: 
Reply-To: jarnold@tixel.mv.com

Unless I'm mistaken, Power Basic is basically (sic) Borland's Turbo Basic,
being taken over by the original author (then a Borland employee) who formed
his own company to market PB.  I bought TB from Borland a few years ago
and have been using it regularly.  It's fast, the resulting images are
appropriately sized, and you can have as many INCLUDE files as you want,
as opposed to QB where you are limited to the number of INCLUDE files and
need to put callable routines in a library.  (TB has no library).

Unfortunately, the last time I called Borland for support, they told me
that they no longer support TB, call the PB folks.  I called PB, and they
offer *no* upgrade policy for purchasers of the original TB; full price
just like everyone else.  That left a bad enough taste in my mouth where
I bought QB and am looking at VB and PDS.

I've been happy with TB for what that's worth.  According to the
advertising, the only thing worthwhile that PB has which TB doesn't have
is support for "far strings", if you need that capability.

Jon Arnold                        Phone: W: 603-883-1233
Nashua, New Hampshire             Fax:   W: 603-883-7350
                                         H: 603-883-6371

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From: christy.gemmell@almac.co.uk (Christy Gemmell)
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
Subject: BASICA --> QBASIC
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:08:00 GMT
Reply-To: christy.gemmell@almac.co.uk (Christy Gemmell)
Organization: Almac BBS Ltd. Scotland. +44 (0)324-665371


HC>Does anyone know if there is a program that translates
HC>BASICA into QBASIC. (I don't know anything about these
HC>languages, I was only asked to post this question).
HC>If this program exists then where can I get it? Is it
HC>available at an ftp address?

You don't need a translator. If you save your BASICA program
in ASCII format, i.e.

SAVE "PROG.BAS", A

It should load and run in QBASIC without problems. The only
time you need to rewrite is when you're PEEKing or POKEing
internal BASICA addresses that don't exist in QBASIC.

Christy

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From: ST21519@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
Subject: PDS and C Run-time
Date: 16 Dec 92 11:57:48 GMT
Organization: Louisiana Tech University

I have a API which was written in C and includes the source code.  The author
of the C API says that in addition the .OBJ files that I would need the C run-
time library in order to use his API from PDS.
 
Is it possible to use PDS's custom run-time features with the C run-time
library so I could use the API from PDS?
From: jarnold@tixel.mv.com (Jon Arnold)
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
Subject: QB window routines
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 13:43:49 GMT
Organization: 
Reply-To: jarnold@tixel.mv.com

I've been using Turbo Basic for a long time, and have made a lot of use
of a package called Turbo Windows with it.  It allows you to define
windows, titles, shading, text within the window, etc.  I want to switch
over to QuickBasic (since Borland no longer sells or supports TB), but
I need a similar tools package for QB, as the Turbo Windows routines
make specific use of certain things that QB doesn't support.

Any suggestions; commercial, shareware, or PD?

Jon Arnold                        Phone: W: 603-883-1233
Nashua, New Hampshire             Fax:   W: 603-883-7350
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From: jarnold@tixel.mv.com (Jon Arnold)
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
Subject: Has PRINT been used yet?
Distribution: world
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 02:39:31 GMT
Organization: 
Reply-To: jarnold@tixel.mv.com

This might be more an MS/DOS question, but I'll post it here, since I'm
trying to accomplish this using Basic.  In DOS (v5.0), the *first* time
you go to use the PRINT command, DOS will ask you where you want the
file printed to;  You can override this question by using the "/D:"
switch on the PRINT command line.

However, *after* the first time you print, the "/D:" switch is no longer
valid; in fact, it generates an error message.

I've got a program where I want to shell out to DOS to print a report.
However, I don't know how to setup the program so that it will know whether
it needs to PRINT/D: or just PRINT.  Is there an environment variable
or something that can be examined to determine whether or not the "/D:"
switch will be required, or if a PRINT has already been done since the
last boot?

Jon Arnold                        Phone: W: 603-883-1233
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Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: soapy@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Soapy Phan)
Subject: testing
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:16:12 GMT


just a test.....  i posted something here before and no responds back.

ok -- 123

have a nice day.

Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: Power BASIC
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:44:15 GMT

Even after reading the press release (thanks, John Strong) I'm still not sure
if PowerBASIC supports Windows programming or not.  What's the story?

Thanks.
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Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: ST21519@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU
Subject: Re: ANSI screen testing.
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 11:02:40 CST

>I am trying to write a piece of code that will test a remote system to see if
>that system has ANSI screen codes enabled.  Does anyone have an idea of how to
>do such a thing?  Actual code would be great or just an explaination would do.
 
I don't know how exactly RBBS does it, but if you can look around for the RBBS
source code you might be able to follow it - RBBS-BAS.ZIP or 174BAS.ZIP on some
systems.  I believe simtel.army.mil has the code in their RBBS-PC directory.
RBBS is also available on many fine BBSs.
 
Hint:  Look for the TESTANSI routine in RBBSSUB5.BAS.
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: fisfinder without a boat (was Re: What
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:18:11 GMT

i am a salt water fisherman. so its even harder. but the fun is in the anticipation.
in a lake its a matter of time as well. 
however, i have never fresh watered, so i dont know. but as far as saltwater is concerned, its much easier to get skunked. i would assume that the likelyhood of being
skunked in a lake is a lot less than when i go fishing of a bridge or shore.
but i must admit that i go on party boats as well and they use fish finders.
but i did go in a small boat in the hamptons without a fish finder and still caught. and thats an ocean. so i dont know. i guess i have fished blind.
(this is not a flame nor do i mean to sound sarcastic)
	
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From: whitbeck@equinox.unr.edu (Michael Whitbeck)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Fish-finders
Date: 17 Dec 92 02:14:19 GMT
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno

In article <1992Dec16.134647.3210@shearson.com> scarrobi@shearson.com writes:
"In article 1101@oracorp.com, tom@oracorp.com (Tom) writes:
"> 
"> The discussion on fish finders reminds me of a conversation my
"> Dad had a few years ago.  Some guy comes into his office bragging
"> 
"
"
"i like that and oh how true.
"down with technology. get back to your roots and just fish with line and rod and 
"hok and of course bait.
                   ****

BAIT?   BAIT!  WE DON NEED NO STINKIN' BAIT !!
[ or when you catch fish with a size 22 hook and a bit of
wool or tuff of fur THEN your fishing ]

Mike W.
      ......
    /      /
   /       ---------------*  
  /
 /   I trim shrubbery along river banks!
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 20 Dec 1992 01:37:57 CST
From: MATT HUNSAKER <U61474@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Sonar Wanted

I'm working on a project, and I'm looking for a used Sonar rig.  The one I've
seen that looks pretty slick is the Eagle.  Anyone got a good/used one they
would like to sell?
-Matt   u61474@uicvm.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: fisfinder without a boat (was Re: What fish
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:17:46 GMT

i guess i am old fashioned . i believe in going fishing and enticing it to eat my hook. a fish finder doesnt guarantee it will bite. so its more fun to go blind. 

---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
---------------------------------------------------------------		
 I understand you need someone to do work.
 I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
    -Vladimir Taltos
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Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom)
Subject: sonars
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 11:43:37 GMT
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Date Entered: 12-11-92 19:49

S(:From: spikes@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Bill Spikes)

S(:Any suggestions? Quickly, as in Xmas time? My wife wants to get me the
S(:Platinum ID 120 BECAUSE it is on sale for $188.xx. My explaining that I 
S(:no longer have a boat does not dampen the SALE! mood. Am I gonna be the
S(:only one that owns a fishfinder but not a boat???? Something wrong here?

 I'd pass on the Humminbird units, as the screen has poor contrast and 
is very difficult to see under bright conditions. I'd suggest the 
Lowrance X-60 (great RES, High Power) and it should be On Sale (the 
X-70 is replacing it for '93 and has a larger screen).
 
 Also depends on the type of Fishing you're doing, for shallow water 
Bassin', perhaps a Lowrance X-25 is all you need (and it's in the 
Platinium price range)?
 
 I also don't own a boat but have two Sonars (my Buddy is the boat 
owner but not "into" electronics). We have a Humminbird at the helm 
and a Lowrance LMS-300 at the stern (he drives, I set & keep an eye on 
the downriggers). The latter is the Best LCD Graph on the Market, this 
winter am adding a 50 degree Xducer (the unit accepts two different 
Xducers and can do a Split Screen showing both or toggle between 
them). We're "salmonoids" and ply the deep waters of Lake Ontario out
of Toronto.
 
 Oops, sorry for getting off track......suggest either the X-25 or 
X-60 with regards to price. Hope the above was of help.
 
   Regards
    Marv
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Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: kevin@turbo.Columbia.NCR.COM (Kevin Ormerod)
Subject: Re: What fish finder
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 15:10:51 GMT

>However..... the X-16 seems like overkill for fishing in twenty feet
>of water.
>
>You don't need power in twenty feet of water, and peak-to-peak power
>isn't a true measure of a unit's capability.  RMS power is what counts.
>But when the water is that shallow, you can only use a fraction of the
>available power anyway.  You have to turn the gain way down.

  Maybe overkill, maybe not.  The X-16 will provide one inch separation
  of targets (because the X-16 will let you shorten the pulse width).
  If you are really trying to see something just a few inches off the
  bottom ... or in the case of the power, small targets or muck bottom.


>I would suggest that the reason it's so hard for ANY sonar to mark
>fish in twenty feet of water is because of the size of the cone at
>such depths.  You can't see fish unless they are in the cone, and
>twenty feet down the cone isn't very big.

  This is true.  It is possible to get a 60 degree transducer for
  Lowrance or Eagle units.

>Therefore, for shallow water, the most important factor is cone angle.
>A wide-angle transducer will help more than extra wattage.

  No argument here.

>KE>And BTY, don't expect to see the nice fish arches that you see in the
>KE>glossy ads.  At least not very often.  The only time that you see an arch
>KE>is when conditions are perfect.  Usually gamefish show up as scratches.
>
>This depends on what you are doing.  My Mach-1 makes those nice textbook
>arches every day, all summer long, but I am fishing over a lot of water
>and a lot of fish (Lake Ontario).

  You just described perfect conditions for seeing arches!

>The 20 degree transducers that come with the Mach-1 or the X-16 are no
>good for shallow water.  Even if you could fire their entire 200 watts
>RMS into the water (you can't), you'd only be looking at a two foot
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^
  In most cases you are.  When you adjust the gain you are doing just
  that -- adjusting the gain.  On most units the power output remains
  constant.  (notice I said on most units -- there are some exceptions)

Additional Comments
-------------------

In my experience, the chart recorder draws nice arches when it comes
to stripers, gar, and carp (gar draw especially nice big arches). The
chart recorder also draws nice small arches of crapie and white perch,
but when it come to the large mouth bass -- arches are not the norm --
scratches are.  Especially when they are seen on the edges of humps
and drop offs.  Sometimes in the winter months when bass school up
in deeper water you can get some arches.

When I'm bass fishing I look for structure -- not fish.  When I'm
striper fishing or crappie fishing I look for fish.

From South Carolina, where the only reason for a snowmobile suit is
so you can run down the lake at 60 MPH in December and January :-)

Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: jab@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Alan Barrow)
Subject: Re: What fish finder
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:29:39 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta

In <1992Dec11.153635.29800@ncsu.edu> plheron@ecemw6.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron) writes:

Lots of good stuff deleted..... I agree with all but this comment:

>RMS power is an indication of the power used for the sonar pulse 
>AND to run the internal electronics of the device, it tells you 
>how much the unit will drain your battery.  Peak power is a better 
>indication of the amount of accoustical energy that gets put in the water 

RMS VS peak are just different ways of measuring power. RMS is a
more realistic way of comparing power output, as it uses basic calculus
(Area under the curve type) to integrate the actual power produced over
time.

You could have very high peak output, but a very low duty cycle.
Likewise a high duty cycle (lots of pulses that were low power.)

You really need to compare both, as you need a high peak, but also want
your duty cycle (pulse rate and period) to be fast enough to be useful.
Think of it as the number of samples.

With an Audio device like a stereo amp, using RMS measurements prevents
bogus specs that make an amp appear to be very powerful, but that
distorts with normal music. (Most music is not very loud but short
pulses.)

I disagree that RMS power includes or measures the "electrical
overhead". If mfg's are doing this, they should be taken to task.
It is fair to mention "input power" but this is only useful when
compared to output power as an efficiency comparison.

Usually the DC load is measured in Amps and the "power" would be 12 or
13.8 volts times the current in Amps. (This give you the power in
watts.) My 800 watt rms Interphase finder draws up to 2 Amps, so the DC
power drain is 12 x 2=24 watts. Given that nearly all boats use 12v
systems, power as a DC measurement is not as usefull.

I have found that most fresh water oriented (bass) finders have low
power and do not do as well in salt water.

Most good finders vary the pulse width at deeper settings (make it
longer). The frequency also has something to do with it, balancing
reduced attenuation VS higher resolution. (Shorter wavelengths from
higher frequencies allow higher resolution.)

Hope this helps!!!



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From: tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:49:38 GMT
Subject: L.A. Bay, Baja
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: alt.fishing

I found a great place...hard tough and long way to go though...

About half way down the Baja Penninsula on the Bay side is the fishing
village of Bahia de Los Angeles (LA Bay)... Some guys will charter a 
plane and fly in..but the usual method is to drive down the treacherous
2 lane hiway... Tuna season is the best, and you'll see a lot of folks
pulling their rigs behind them..this is really the most treacherous time
due to the width of the rigs on a two lane hiway...and most of these
guys are going balls out to beat everyone there for the tuna.  All around
fishing is good, though, and we just took small skiffs etc and had 
a great time... very hot weather, but the water was warm.  We camped at
Punta la Gringa (Point White Girl!) which put us near some clam beds..we had
bucket loads! then (I being half Japanese) found UNI! fresh sea-urchins!
I would crack them open and eat the roe raw..wish I had some rice.  Made 
the other guy sick though..(there isnt a lot you cant eat out of the sea)
then we found the crabs! I found that while netting these suckers, some 
crabs would not move. I thought they were sick..it turns out, this was 
the time of molting for the young crabs and now we had SOFTSHELL crabs!
I got sick of eating all the crab I could find and proceeded to only go
after the still crabs..I would scoop the crabs up (the larger crabs were
protecting the molting smaller crabs) and throw the lowly larger crabs 
back...clean the softshelled crab, dip in batter and deep fry!!!!
A most memborable fishing trip...we also took our dirt bikes and compasses.
I didnt hire a boat for the tuna, the others did and got their fish.
I was having too much fun snorkeling, dirtbiking and generally raising
hell (in camp, of course..wouldnt suggest pissing off the locals)
Boats can be hired in town, and all the tackle you need is available
also..there are hotels in town, restaurants and you can even take 
the whining wife..(just kidding girls).    
       

Damn the torpedoes! Fish!


all disclaimers apply

From: tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:38:08 GMT
Subject: Re: L.A. Bay, Baja
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: alt.fishing

Yes....I know the feeling.. this was how I felt on about the second day
of my stay there... too much beer.  too much sun.  food poisoning from
the local taco stand.  Giardia in the local water supply. 

TOO MUCH FUN!!!!!!


Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: ed.mccrudden@rose.com (ed mccrudden)
Subject: Ping! Ping!
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:57:39 GMT
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Date Entered: 12-11-92 12:51
In article <56420004@hpscit.sc.hp.com> Bill Spikes writes:

BS>If they won't bite my hook, I'm gonna stun 'em with sonar! PING!!, PING!!

You need to borrow some of my lures.  When I put 'em down there, the fish
die laughing and float to the surface.

-Ed

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