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From: Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Electronic Matchmaker
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 01:26:13 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

U.S. women, having a problem finding an U.S. man?  I am about to
launch a free electronic matching service on Usenet.  Thanks to the
imbalance of men to women on Usenet, more guys than gals have
expressed an interest so far.  If you would like to see the fifth
draft of my questionnaire so we can alter it to also fit women's
needs as well as men's, either send me mail or look at the copy I
posted in alt.personals.
 
This service is serious and I already have 310 men and 174 women
signed up so far.  The site of the service has already been selected
and programming is nearly completed.
 
I should point out that this questionnaire really, really, really,
needs some more input on CULTURES.  I need some questions to make
sure that matches are compatible culturally.
 
                                                          Eric Klien
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections,alt.war
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Bush's position on Bosnia
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:09:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.030252.13861@Princeton.EDU> kjcarey@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Kevin J. Carey) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.010011.856@tss.com> mathon@tss.com (John D. Mathon) writes:
>>
>>Iraq is a desert country with no place to hide and sunny weather most
>>of the time.  Large parts of Yugoslavia are mountanous and difficult
>>to maneuver.  The difficulty we encountered in the Vietnam war of 
>>being unable to tell the "good" guys from the "bad" guys would
>>exist.
>>
>I believe there were friendly fire deaths in the Gulf.

That's not the issue, Kevin.  The issue is whether you can identify
the enemy when you see him or not.  The options in the Balkans are all
BAD, and I think we would be incredibly stupid to put troops in there.

[I've heard that some NATO general has said it would take 100,000
troops just to keep the supply corridor open.  Keep in mind that this
would entail a willingness to just continually soak up casualties,
since that is NOT enough men to pursue a war against the folks trying
to cut the supply lines.  Bad idea.]





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 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Multiculturalism
Date: 16 Aug 92 03:50:56 GMT
Organization: mydog in exile

| In article <1992Aug15.155828.28221@panix.com> gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:
| >Is there more than one viable culture in the United States?
| >If there is more than one, how would you identify them?  How
| >do they differ from one another?  How do they connect?

feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld) writes:
| 
| Appocryphal interview:
| 	Q: Mr. Gandhi, what do you think of Western culture?
| 
| 	A: That would be nice.

Actually, I think it was supposed to have gone like this:

"Mr. Gandhi, what do you think of Western civilization?"

"I think it would be a very good idea!"

Very funny, and unworthy of Gandhi, who allowed himself
thereby to be patronized by people who were quite confident
of their civilizedness.
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From: dacosta@prl.philips.nl (Paulo da Costa 42147)
Subject: Re: Dollar bills
Organization: none
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:03:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.204557.735@cshl.org> pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.142011.3394@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>>In article <frank2.11@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za>, frank2@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za (FRANK D N) writes:
[...]
>>> the rest of the pyramid. A Latin inscription, "NOVO ORDO SECLORUM" 
[...]
>>> is. Could the inscription mean "New World Order", and if it does, for how 
[...]
>>	Seriously, the latin means something like "from one, many".  The
[...]
>i think it mean New World Order. you are referring to another expression.

If I remember it all correctly, it is

E PLURIBUS UNUM     -> From many, one.

NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM -> A new order for the ages.

-- 
-- Paulo da Costa           /\/\   Minha terra tem palmeiras   /\/\
-- dacosta@prl.philips.nl   \/\/   Onde canta o sabia'...      \/\/
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva)
Subject: Re: Kulturkampf
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:39:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.161308.6212@kadsma.kodak.com> pajerek@kadsma.kodak.com (Don Pajerek) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.203305.26207@morrow.stanford.edu> silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva) writes:
>>>>...  Many groups in America currently advocate force to impose
>>>>their culture on others.  Some of them are "good liberals".
>
>>	While neither Earth First! nor the animal-rightists are liberals
>>in the classic sense,
>
>That's right. They're extremists, just like the Operation Rescue folks.
>They're not typical of the average liberal in this country, as represented
>by, say, Gordon Fitch. 
>
	Gordon Fitch is not an 'average liberal'.
>
>>	Mr. Fitch is not a whiner. He is definitely partisan, and, as
>>Freeman indicated, he does commonly cloak this partisanism or bias with
>>a false display of even-handedness in language.
>
>You think the display is false; I think it's genuine. Yes, Mr. Fitch does
>come from the left, but he's always willing to debate conservative ideas
>*on the merits*, without stooping to personal attacks. That he ultimately
>may reject those ideas is no discredit to the honest style of debate that
>he typically employs.
>
	An invariable rejection of conservative ideas after minor
discussion does not suggest a real willingness to debate them on their merit.
Nor is it a true display of open-mindedness and even-handedness. While I
do not advocate Mutlu-style personal attacks on individual posters, neither
do I believe that a regular poster's every article should be treated as though
it arose from an ideological 'black hole'. Posters are responsible for
the entire body of what they produce for the net, as are newsreporters,
public figures and nationally recognized pundits. To call someone a
'whiner' out-of-hand, without reference to a specific, egregious statement--
that is wrong. To insist that an individual not be held to account for 
his _pattern_ of posting, his underlying political ideology (when it colors
his discussion), or his own relationship to those culpable of acts and views
which he condemns -- that is also wrong. Insistence upon this issue benefits
net.sophists at the expense of the casual poster.

>Don Pajerek



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,misc.jobs.misc
From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Keywords: work vacation
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 03:32:16 GMT

ttraub@world.std.com (Terry Traub) writes:

>Americans don't work smarter than Europeans (or Japanese, or others in
>the world)?  How then is it that Americans managed to land people on
>the moon not once but several times, not to mention building a
>reusable space shuttle, developing and commercializing computers,
>solar cells, jet planes, and, by the way, winning two world wars against
>some of these "smarter" people?  I propose that Americans are
>***different** in the way they work, not necessarily less smart.  

Exactly.  By 'smart' I don't think the original poster meant 'intelligent'
but rather 'efficient' or 'with common sense'.

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=========*davE*.....making the world safe for intelligent dance music.=========
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: sunder@altair.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Why so few Quayle kids?
Date: 20 Aug 1992 20:00:58 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: altair.crhc.uiuc.edu

In article <1992Aug20.183626.9587@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld) writes:
|> Why so few Quayle kiddies?

Doing their bit to keep the average IQ of the country up?

(I like Quayle myself, but I couldn't resist that crack :-))

|> Michael Feld                         | E-mail:  <feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca>

-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: rashidi@thunder.acs.wmich.edu (Reza Rashidi)
Subject: "Global Nomads as World Citizens: Using our Past to Serve the Future"
Organization: Western Michigan University Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:05:54 GMT
Keywords: global nomads conference

Announcing....

"Global Nomads as World Citizens: Using our Past to Serve the Future"

The term "global nomads" refers to individuals who have lived pre-adult years  
outside their passport countries because of a parent's occupation.  As the son  
and daughters of diplomatic, military, missionary, international business or  
inter-governmental agency personnel, for example, our childhood learning ground  
has been the world itself.  Given this, we form a unique and distinct cultural  
group with specific characteristics and common experiences. 

Conference Site: Xerox International Conference Center located near Dulles  
International Airport and Washington, DC in a beautiful wooded setting near  
historic Leesburg, Virginia.  Ground Transportation from Dulles Airport is  
available.

Dates: Friday, September 18 at 5 pm through Sunday, September 20
at 2 pm.

Partial Listing of Session topics:

-the Global Nomad Profile: Benefits & Challenges of Internationality-Mobile  
Childhood

-Sacred Objects: Portable Roots

- Half-and-half: For Dual Culture Children

-The Heart of the Matter: Global Nomads in Relationships

-On Being Multilingual: Benefits and Challenges

-Global Nomad Networks and Resources

-The Boarding Experience

For more information, contact Global Nomads International, P.O. Box 9584,  
Washington, DC  20016-7023 (Tel: 703-591-7023)



--
Reza Rashidi
rashidi@wmich.edu
From: tim@sinix.UUCP (Tim Bissell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Keywords: work vacation
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:22:44 GMT
Organization: SNI AG Muenchen, STO XS

In article <BszCrD.6xu@world.std.com> ttraub@world.std.com (Terry Traub) writes:
>
>It's a bit odd to call winning a world war nothing more than
>perfecting the art of "destroying members of our own species".  There
>were others during WWII who did a lot more of that than the U.S. did.
>And if you don't think winning WWII was a worthy achievement, my
>friend, just imagine a world in which we had LOST.  A very well done
>speculative story along these lines is "The Man in the High Castle" by
>Philip K.  Dick.
>

Fer cryin' out loud, learn some history.  It wasn't John Wayne alone
who won WW2.  In Europe, a far greater contribution came from the USSR
(people and weather) who broke the back of Hitler's armies.

WW1 was certainly *not* won by the US.  More of an Anglo-French effort,
with significant contributions from the Commonwealth and the US.

Tim.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: brent@telebit.com (Brent Chapman)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Keywords: work vacation
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 03:02:19 GMT

cote@cs.ucsd.edu (Brad Cote) writes:

# brent@telebit.com (Brent Chapman) writes:


# >Another problem with many companies is how they deal with employees who
# >are also volunteer emergency services workers.

# >I'm a volunteer emergency transport, disaster relief, and search and
# >rescue pilot with the Civil Air Patrol.  I'm on call for emergency
# >flying missions; 

# Hey, I love to fly also (and have a private pilot's licence). But it's
# expensive. If you want to donate your time so that you can fly (for
# free, staying current, building time for commercial, etc) that is your
# business. I see no reason why you should get paid leave to participate
# in an organization which brings you a sense of pride and
# accomplishment. I'm sure flying beats the hell out of working.

Couple of points.  First, CAP pilots only get reimbursed for actual
missions (not training flights), and it's only a partial reimbursement
(the formula is complicated, but it works out to about 65% of the cost
of the aircraft for search missions, and about 85% of the cost for
emergency transport missions).  All the training hours are
unreimbursed, and I've spent far more hours in CAP flight training than
on actual missions.

Second, when I work a mission, I often don't end up flying; I often end
up riding herd on the radios, or working with the ground or air operations
control staff.  In those cases, I don't get any reimbursement at all.

# If you worked in the same company as I did, and got paid leave for
# 'volunteer' fun, I would insist on the same benefits.

What do you see as the "benefit" here?  "Brent gets time off to go have
fun", or "Brent gets time off to perform volunteer community service"? 
If it's the latter, then I agree with you: you should get time off to
perform volunteer community service as well.

Whether it's fun or not isn't the point.  Who says volunteer work has
to be dull and boring in order to be valuable? 

I believe that people should spend some time working as a volunteer for
the good of their communities, and that their companies should support
them in that work, for the good of the community.  Whether that
volunteer service is as a CAP emergency services worker, a Red Cross
disaster worker, a volunteer firefighter, or helping out at the local
library shouldn't matter.

Here's another way to look at it.  Good companies typically put
employees on paid leave when they're on jury duty.  Why should other
community services work be treated differently?


-Brent
--
Brent Chapman                                   Great Circle Associates
Brent@GreatCircle.COM                           1057 West Dana Street
+1 415 962 0841                                 Mountain View, CA  94041
Xref: sparky soc.culture.usa:6720 talk.politics.guns:19721
From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Re: North vs. South:  An American Cultural Paradigm?
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:09:26 GMT

 In article <1992Aug11.214226.6791@leland.Stanford.EDU> paulf@w6yx.Stanford.EDU (Paul Flaherty) writes:
 >In every state in which I've resided, there has always been a rivalry or
 >series of disputes between those in the Northern Half of the state, and
 >those in the South.  In most cases, it seemed to be a question of a heavily
 >populated South (Minnesota, Wisconsin, California) versus a largely rural
 >North

Colorado's not that way, perhaps because the rural/urban division is
more east/west.  There are three parts to Colorado:  the eastern plains,
the urban Front Range (the eastern edge of the Rockies from about Fort
Collins south through Colorado Springs, perhaps even to Pueblo), and
the western mountains and plateaus.  The geographical differences lead
to economic differences.  

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      \_______________________| seem.  Otherwise, they wouldn't seem that way.
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From: marx@flash.gac.edu (Timothy Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: How evil are the Republicans?
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:16:24 GMT

Gosh, I think that yo are right.  i have had the same thought sfor a long  
time now.  The attitures and beliefs exemplified at the GOP concention  
made me wonder whether the Nazis would show up.

The one point that convinced me, was in Buchanan's speech when he said  
that "WE" must take back our country and culture (or somethin to that  
effect).  This is facism if ever I have sen it.
From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
Subject: Re: Myopia. A common ailment among Europe's intellectual elite? was (Re: [military] sending troops to the Middle East)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:27:57 GMT
Organization: mydog in exile

In article <168cauINN96t@agate.berkeley.edu> tedrick@whistle.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Tedrick) writes:
| In article <1992Aug10.144051.6693@panix.com> gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:
| ->In article <1992Aug9.053326.20403@morrow.stanford.edu> silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva) writes:
| ->| ...
| ->| 	An aquaintance from St. Petersburg has indicated to me that the 
| ->| Finns in particular have developed an impressive capacity for ugly
| ->| tourism in that city. ...
| ->
| ->I wish, very strongly, that invidious comparisons of "national
| ->character" could be dropped from this and other soc.culture.*
| ->groups.  ...
| 
| I agree with Gordon. Holly's postings go far beyond the pale.

I wasn't talking about one person.
-- 
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From: silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva)
Subject: Re: Special Interest Groups was (Re: Defined: National Police Force)
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:01:59 GMT

In article <16vdi5INN2mi@agate.berkeley.edu> tedrick@whistle.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Tedrick) writes:
><	Would the zealots on both sides of the gun control 'discussion' 
		  ^^^^^^^
><please consider making use of the newsgroups created specifically to address 
><this issue, namely talk.politics.guns and talk.politics.misc?
>
>Yes, after all, what on earth does "the right to keep and bear arms"
>have to do with American culture? You'd think that guns have something
>to do with American culture being different from British culture, for
>example. Discussion of culture should be a genteel "tea party" type
>debate.
>

	The second ammendment has a great deal to do with American 
culture and articles such as those posted by Mr. Fraser or Ms. Blais
are a joy to read -- informative, thoughtful, hard-hitting.
	In recent years unfortunately it also seems as though putting
up with the lunatic fringe on every issue has become a central, standard
part of American culture. Goddamn if I will. The NRA-survivalist-minded
extremist and their PC-mushy-'liberal' opponents deserve censure. Both
of them. It's the NRA types who'd like us to believe that a waiting 
period before purchasing a hand-gun would lead to the Kristin Blais's
of the country being unable to defend themselves from would-be rapists.
It's their PC opponents who'd like us to believe that we ought not have
guns, because, we wouldn't really need them if we spent more on proper
police training -- rapists somehow wouldn't be on the force in their 
perfect, PC world.
	A pox on both your houses, lying bastards that you are.
	
	And yes, I readily allow my arguments to devolve to the
personal level. Life is personal. Culture is personal. Society is
personal. The net and articles posted to the net should not 
be falsely divorced from all passion and personal reality
of the world from which they derive. Such a false divorcement only 
serves those who's control of language is greatest, not those who's
views have merit.
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|| Holly Silva			I have nothing terribly clever to say||
|| Applied Earth Sciences	today.  You're in luck.		     ||
|| Stanford University						     ||
From: cbrand@cac.washington.edu (Carol Brand)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: open doors in American homes
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:01:23 GMT
Organization: UW Networks and Distributed Computing

original text___________________________________________________

Now this is my question: Every time when I went to their house, I
noticed that they had opened all doors inside the house: the doors of
his study, of their bedroom, of the two bathrooms, of guest room
(where I stay), of kicthen, etc. Is that the American custom for a
guest? Does that mean 'We trust you, so we open all doors to you'? Or
is it just for air ventilation? Any ideas and comments are welcome. 

_____________________________________________________________________


I'm not sure why Americans do this, but it is not customary for us to
close the doors in our homes.  When I was a teenager, I stayed with
three different families in Germany.  Every time you came into a room
or left it, you always shut the door behind you. It was so strange to
me to have six people closed up in tiny kitchen. I always thought that
this was to conserve energy in a cold climate, but recently I had an
Italian couple (wife is American) stay with me.  The wife commented
that it was a difficult adjustment for her to always close the doors
behind her. Strange? 

Is it common in China/Hong Kong to close doors behind you?  Are
certain rooms off limits to guests?

-CAROL
 
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From: ttraub@world.std.com (Terry Traub)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Summary: vacation and sick leave combined
Keywords: work vacation
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:22:09 GMT

In article <13AUG199207565205@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov> olson@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul Olson) writes:
[lots of stuff deleted]
>
>I think one of the reasons people use their sick leave for non-sick purposes is
>because people in this country just don't get enough vacation time.  Of course,
>there will be those who will argue that even if lots of vacation time were
>granted, there would be people who use sick leave for vacation time. <sigh>
>
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A company I used to work for had a nice policy:  30 days a year
combined vacation and sick leave.  If you get sick a lot, you get lots
of time to recover.  If you never get sick, you get awesome vacation
opportunities.  None of this pretenng to be sick in order to get more
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