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From: trekker@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sanjai Dwivedula Rao)
Subject: Re: Transporting thru shields?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 22:15:29 GMT

This is my first time posting to a newsgroup, so please bear with me if I make
any stupid mistakes.  I promise to do better next time.  

Anyway, the original article under this title asked how the E could beam Scotty
and Geordi back on "Relics" when sheilds were up on their ship.  I think I have
an answer to this.  If you remember the episode when O'Brien's old captain goes
AWOL, O'Brien manages to transport through the sheilds of the Nebula class
starship.  This is because the method of sheild modulation used by the Nebula
class ships is not as good as the kind used on the Galaxy class, and the E's
scanners are good enough to pick up the spaces between cycles, thereby allowing transport.  Since Scotty's ship was about 75 years old, and presumable used an even more primitive method of sheild modulation,  the E's scanner's
should have had no problem figuring out when to transport.

However, I think it was a mistake not to explain this, since it is not
something they have to do very often.

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From: billy@planet.com (billy)
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Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE 9 DRINKING GAME (get it out of this group!!!)
Date: 10 Jan 93 19:01:30 GMT
Organization: command level fun
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>try.western,talk.bizarre,rec.humor
In article <1993Jan10.032046.14337@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu> M. Lee Smallwood,
msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu writes:
In article <1993Jan10.032046.14337@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu> M. Lee Smallwood,
msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu writes:
>Sorry. The first poster (or some other poster) posted this
>thread into all these groups, and I neglected to edit out most
>of the groups that got this article. Sorry.
>
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>
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From: jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu (James Gasaway)
Subject: Re: Why a commander instead of captain
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: NCSA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:30:33 GMT

In article <kchu.726220272@unixg.ubc.ca>, kchu@unixg.ubc.ca (Kwan Chu Chu)
wrote:
>  
> I just wonder why Star Fleet will send a commander to an outpost which 
> is so close to the neutral zone between the Fed. and the Cadassian (sp).
> F really considers DPN as an important outpost, I guess at least a
> captain rank officer, or at least somebody has experience with the Cad. 
> should be sent. I don't mean Sisko is not qualified, it just sounds 
> strange to me to have Commander with so much anger, so little enthusiasm
> to command a so remote and yet important outpost.

In our military, lower ranking personnel stationed at small, isolated bases
(overseas) often hold high command positions as compared to similar ranking
people stationed in the United States.  This is true for both officer and
enlisted ranks.

This probably happens because few people actually *want* these remote
assignments, so people "pay their dues" early in their careers and get good
experience along the way.  These bases are small and have limited
operational goals, as opposed to large stateside bases (or large bases in
Germany, England, etc.) that are responsible for many different military
goals, so that the overall responsibility is less--allowing for lower
ranking personnel in command positions.

James
jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu
University of Illinois @ Urbana/Champaign
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From: rbeck@mordordseg.ti.com (Ron Beck)
Subject: Re: The worms within...
Reply-To: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com
Organization: is an esoteric concept.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:33:16 GMT

In article <93004.115417U15289@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U15289@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
|> In DS9, Lt. Dax's backstory states she is a wormlike species squatting in a
|> humanoid body.  Does anyone know if the worm, in this case, is the same species
|> that figured in an episode of TNG, in which Dr. Crusher was romantically in-
|> volved with a man who was also a host for a wormlike creature (an ambassador
|> of some sort), who had to be parked in Riker's body temporarily until the
|> new host (a woman, who ended the episode by saying she loved Beverly) arrived?
|> 
|>                                               Mitch Pravatiner
|>                                               U15289@uicvm.uic.edu

Yes, in both cases the species were the Trill. 
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From: major@shuksan (Mike Schmitt)
Subject: Re: Use of "sir"
Organization: Man Machine Systems Technology
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:39:27 GMT

: I recall that Saavik was referred to as "Mr. Saavik" in STII. Off the
: top of my head I can't recall any other instances of using "sir" or
: "Mr." to refer to female officers. Perhaps someone can tell us what
: the protocol is the military for addressing female officers.

  In the Army, subordinates address women by rank or by "ma'am" (it sounds
  terrible and most women hate it - but that's the protocol."

  The equivalent of "Yes, sir!" is "Yes, ma'am!"  It's more comfortable to
  address women by their rank.  eg "Sergeant Smith", "Lieutenant Brown".
  Warrant Officers are more difficult.  A Chief Warrant Officer can be 
  correctly addressed as "Chief".  However, warrant officers are USUALLY
  addressed as "Mister" - and that is not appropriate for a woman warrant
  officer.  I've never heard any woman in the Army addressed as "Sir" or
  "Mister".  

  It is appropriate for officers to address enlisted women simply by their
  last names.  "Bunworthy, get over here!"  Though it IS rude.  However,
  all military personnel should first and foremost be addressed by their
  rank.  



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From: wc9583@writer.yorku.ca (J.Marc Chabot)
Subject: Re: People who like Kira
Organization: Computer Assisted Writing Centre, York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:03:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.165024.10822@uvm.edu> cblaise@moose.uvm.edu (Chris Blaise) writes:
>From article <1993Jan12.155236.21575@netcom.com>, by harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp):
>> tiverson@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thor Iverson) writes:
>>>Of course, as I found Kira the most compelling character on the screen,
>>>as well as the most fully realized, I must admit to a certain bias in
>>>favor of her character.
>> 
>> Given how much I liked Michelle Forves as Ensign Ro, I had high
>> expectations, and apparently you and I are two of the few that liked
>> Nana Visitor's performance.
>
>	Hear hear!  I'm sorry, but IMHO, her character practically makes
>the show for me.  Excellent character and portrayal in both episodes so far.
>
>TTYL
>Chris
>


	Well, count me in too!

The one comment that seems to come up again and again about her
performance was that she "overacted" the "freedom fighter bit".  I
have to disagree.  I have personally known active members of three
separate liberation movements (the IRA, PLO and FLQ) and let me tell
you, they often tend to act like that.  They are dedicated to a cause
and they are pretty vocal about it!

	Please note that I do not say here that I support, or that I
don't, any of these organizations.  I am merely stating that freedom
fighters are a lot more like Major Kira than most people might
think...I guess Hollywood has depicted them in the wrong way too long
so that we now think they are all undercover, secretive people.

Anyway, just my 2 cents!

Marc
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From: bobley@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Brett Bobley)
Subject: Re: Why leave a commander in charge of DSN??
Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:55:12 GMT

hyatt@cs.unc.edu (Brant Hyatt) writes:

>Can someone explain why Starfleet has put a commander in
>charge of a large space station that is going to be so important.
>It just seems that a station would be under control of at 
>least a captain.  Just wondering.

I work for the US Coast Guard.  It seems to me that the 
producers of TNG have made a conscious attempt to make their
military ranks more accurate than those used in TOS.  TNG
closely follows standard Navy/Coast Guard ranks.

In the Coast Guard, even LTjgs and LTs can command their own
ship or perhaps a small station.  A LCDR might command a larger
ship or mid-sized station.  By the time you reach the large
rank of full Commander (like Cisco), it is pretty much expected
that you will command a major ship or station.  Sure, a Capt
might command a VERY big ship, like the Enterprise or perhaps
an important base, but I think it makes sense for a Commander
to command a small (but strategically important) base like DSN.

Brett
bobley@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu



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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: DS9's new doctor and Checov
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:04:43 EST

 -=> Yanjuna babbled to All and look what he/she said! <=-

 Ya> MINOR SPOILERS

 Ya> When I saw the new doctor (Bashir?), I don't know exactly why
 Ya> (perhaps because both were young and overenthusiastic) but I kept
 Ya> thinking Checov....

 Ya> I can just imagine Bashir now...
 Ya> "What a beautiful place; almost as nice as Mecca."
 Ya> "Asprin?  It was invented by a little old merchant in Persia."

Well, Bashir is a British born Arab, not Persian.  Also, he has a 
British accent!


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From: trekker@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sanjai Dwivedula Rao)
Subject: Re: Did parts of DS9 dragged?!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 22:41:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.214054.20808@netcom.com> hatunen@netcom.com (David W Hatunen) writes:
>I loved the prtemiere of DS(9, but I think they
>had a problem that frequently afflicts two-hour
>premieres: they had a 90-minute plot and a
>two-hour spacve to fill.

Actually, they only had 90 minutes to fill.  The other 30 are taken up by
commercials.
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From: overland@lonestar.utsa.edu (Michael A. Overland)
Subject: Re: Star Trek-TNG Magazine?
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:16:03 GMT

In article <93005.47125.L695819@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> L695819@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>
>Hello,
>
>I'm looking for information on the Star Trek-TNG magazine.  I need the
>name of the company (DC?), address, suscription info, and how many
>issues have been printed.Please E-mail info.
>
>                                 Much thanks in advance,
>
>Alan

Sorry, DC is a comic company.  What you are looking for are the magizines that
are put out by Starlog Press.  Any copy of Starlog magazine will have an ad
that will allow you to backorder any of the 20 magazines that have already been
printed.  If you want the address for the Starlog Press it is:
Starlog Press
475 Park Avenue South
New Your, NY 10016
hope that this helpes.
Michael Overland.

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From: val@news.ccutah.edu (Val Kartchner)
Subject: ST:TNG episode guide
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 01:17:59 GMT

I don't regularly read this group due to the high volume.  I was wondering if
someone would be so kind as to mail me the episode guide and/or where (ftp)
to find it and/or more information.

			Thanks in advance,
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From: hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DSN - Where does the Nine come from?
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:23:52 GMT
Organization: Chevron


 Deep Space Nine  -  why 9?
            ^^^^
 The wife says it comes from the "nine missing tears of the prophet".

 Yes?  No?  Don't Know?

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From: jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (J. Michael Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lurking plot complication in DS9
Date: 9 Jan 93 17:36:31 GMT
Organization: Ohio University CS Dept,. Athens

In article <1993Jan6.224632.14322@leland.Stanford.EDU> trekker@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sanjai Dwivedula Rao) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.005754.578@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes
>
>>Has anyone else noticed that there is one big plot complication already
>>woven into Deep Space Nine that could cause big problems in future?
>>
>>Jadzia Dax is a Trill, right?
>>Trill's cannot be transported, without killing the worm.
>>
>>So, forget that plot device whenever Dax gets in trouble.  :)
>>
>
>I'm not so sure that this is correct.  If you remember, in the TNG episode
>with trill, the reason he didn't want to be transported was because he was
>hurt, and in this *weakened* condition, transport would be harmful to the 
>worm.  I don't think it hurts the worm if you transport when they are in 
>good health.
>
>Sanjai Rao.


Wrong, In "The Host" it is stated that a Trill cannot transport at all   
because the biofilter will detect the worm as a parasite and filter it 
out, thus killing it. Observation: Maybe O'Brien in his infinite 
transporter wisdom will be able to, whil Dax is in terrible trouble,
reprogram the transporter to ignore the worm and beam her out 
"just in the nick of time"
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From: abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick)
Subject: Re: The Final Star Trek Movie?
Organization: Carleton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 22:55:54 GMT

In <1993Jan9.220907.13022@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jmitten@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James A Mitten) writes:

> The final one, huh?  That can call it
> *** Star Trek VII: The Final Chapter -- Part III ***
> since part V and VI were also said to be the final movies.

[vote deleted]

I think it would have to be Part II because Star Trek V was never meant to
be the last movie anymore than ST I, II, III, or IV were. (Well it was clear
they HAD to make a ST III!)
Before (or just after) ST V went into theatres, the cast went on a few
different shows are and I remember that one said (I believe it was
Shatner) "There e is nothing FINAL about THE FINAL FRONTIER". ST ^6 was
clearly meant to be the last one but who knows what could happen to the
E-A while it is comming in for decommision. (Anyone read Best Destiny?
That takes place immediately after ST 6 and gives an excuse why the E-A
shouldn't be decommisioned!)

Alan Bick

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From: glover@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric Glover)
Subject: Re: Why aren't there any black aliens?
Organization: Ankara Bay ShipYards, Ankara 113
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:52:51 GMT

In article <1iifltINNgcv@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> holland@geop.ubc.ca writes:
>
>In article 79431@hydra.gatech.EDU, cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd) writes:
>>
>>There were black aliens in that episode where Tasha Yar was kidnapped.
>>I think the title was something like "A Matter of Honor".  Of course,
>>the portrayal was not really a positive one.  Let's have some advanced,
>>superintelligent black aliens!
>>
>And don't forget that the Klingons are played by black actors.

Not all. Not even most. Worf and Kern for the most part seem to be the
 exception. Other kligons for the most part are played by standard white actors.


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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:33:44 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <rawdon.726259157@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:

>But when Picard DID come back, he assumed command of the Enterprise, and
>Riker's rank reverted to that of Commander.  If it were really a PERMANENT
>assignment, his rank would not have been reduced.

Okay, I won't quibble over words.  The Admiral intended it to be 
permanent at the time, but it turned out not to be because he
hadn't read the end of the script.

Satisfied? :-) 


>Riker was given the rank of Captain and command of the Enterprise only because
>there was no one better qualified who was available to take command on the
>spot.  Had Picard not returned, in all likelihood Riker would not have
>retained command of the ship.

Do you believe that, if Riker defeated the Borg, Star Fleet would 
doubt his ability to handle lesser threats.  (And if he didn't,
the point would be moot)  As far as "more experienced officers"
go, a lot of them were killed at Wolf 359.


>Because it was thought necessary that the commander of the Federation flagship
>at that time should be a Captain, since it seemed likely that the Enterprise
>would have to interact with other ships.

Which would have been under the command of an Admiral.

What's your point?


>>I didn't say I expected the writers to do that.  I said it would
>>be interesting if they did.

>It would, but my point is that since they've ignored it for two years, it
>seems unlikely (and a bit implausible) that they'll do it now.

Oh, but they haven't.  At least, not entirely.  Recall Riker's 
reaction when he heard the Enterprise was being given to Captain 
Jellico.  He fully expected to take command.


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From: pjm@isis.cshl.org (Pat Monardo)
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE 9 DRINKING GAME
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Labs
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:43:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan09.212241.6708@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu> msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood) writes:
><never had a drink so I don't know how much to assign for this>

Well, I'm out of ammunition on that one.

(I have no joke here, i just wanted to lean forward and
on international TV say "I'm out of ammunition on that one, guys")

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From:  (jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu)
Subject: Re: Comments on DS9 "Emissary" **SPOILERS**
Organization: master/peon
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 16:02:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.000850.15666@fnbc.com>, frank@fnbc.com (Frank Mitchell) writes:
> 
> In article <1ifik5INN28u@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY  
> A.) writes:
> >   The Trill are a symbiote race.  The human-looking bipeds form the "body"  
> and
> > the slugs are the "brains".  The freaky part is that it appears the host had  
> an
> > intelligent, free-will being in it to start with.  Why they choose to be
> > controlled by the slugs is beyond my comprehension. .  I intend to do my best to
> > forget Dax is really a body-hopping slug....
> 

For more information, try "The Hidden" a great cheezy sci-fi movie, starring
Kyle McLaughlin as a wacked out FBI agent (as a precursor to his role as
a wacked out FBI Agent in Twin Peaks).  This slug takes over humans for 
cheap thrills, and forces its hosts to commit a wide variety of crimes, many
of which involve Ferraris.   Great opening chase sequence.  Kyle is
a similar creature who has come to Earth to stop the bad slug.  Good movie.
Cool slug scenes.  Kung Fu. Laser Fu, Flamethrower Fu.  

Jon jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu
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From: 00rdharringt@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Rob Harrington)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:41:31 GMT
Organization: Ball State University

In article <1993Jan4.075254.27517@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:
>>VI>More fuel for the fire.  The TV Guide article uses DS9 for the abbreviation
>>VI>and, catch this, the script for "Emissary" uses DS9 for the abbreviation and
>>VI>Deep Space Nine when fully used.
>>
>>That would seem to settle it, in my opinion.  If Michael Piller spells it
> 
> We know how he puts it on HATS at least...
> 
> But, if it's so "settled", then WHY isn't the show
> called "Deep Space 9"??

Probably because it's soon to be rival is called "Babylon 5"... if it was
"Babylon Five" the DS9 would probably be "Deep Space 9"...

they're trying to make it different...

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