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From: statesse@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Scott E States)
Subject: Re: The Pacers New Lineup ( was Re: The Two Trades)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 02:16:34 GMT


In article <1685E831C.MSIMMON@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> MSIMMON@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU  
(MIKE SIMMONS) writes:
> In article <18m484INNjeg@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
> bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs) writes:
>  
> >
> >Well, neglecting the salary structure, the Indiana Pacers didn't make out  
too
> >bad.  Pooh Richardson's presence and Chuck Person's absence goes along way
> >toward team unity, which is something the Pacers lack.  Detlef Schrempf
> >can go to small forward. If Rik Smits has indeed improved as an offensive
> >threat, they are still a playoff-worthy team.  The lineup would be:
> >
> >      PG - Pooh Richardson
> >      SG - Reggie Miller
> >      SF - Detlef Schrempf
> >      PF - Sam Mitchell
> >       C - Rik Smits


I think the starters will be:

PG - Pooh Richardson
SG - Reggie Miller
SF - Malik Sealy - The Pacers, for some reason I'll never understand, don't         
                   like to start Det.  They must like getting that 6th man 
                   award an awful lot...
PF - Lasalle "Tank" Thompson - I don't understand why he starts either, but he 
                               does.  Did he get that nickname because of the     
                               way he's built, or the way he plays? :-)
C  - Rik Smits - If he can walk on those bad knees - only because there's 
                 nobody else who can the position.  This team would have been 
                 unstoppable if they could have finagled a deal for Olajuwan!


Scott E. States - another Pacer fan on the net...hey, let's start a club!
statesse@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: The Pacers New Lineup ( was Re: The Two Trades)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 15:03:23 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Sep11.021634.23709@cs.rose-hulman.edu> statesse@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Scott E States) writes:
>
>In article <1685E831C.MSIMMON@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> MSIMMON@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU  
>(MIKE SIMMONS) writes:
>> In article <18m484INNjeg@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
>> bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs) writes:
>>  
>I think the starters will be:
>
>PG - Pooh Richardson
>SG - Reggie Miller
>SF - Malik Sealy - The Pacers, for some reason I'll never understand, don't         
>                   like to start Det.  They must like getting that 6th man 
>                   award an awful lot...

True, but I think they will anyway.  If not, they are REALLY stupid...

>PF - Lasalle "Tank" Thompson - I don't understand why he starts either, but he 
>                               does.  Did he get that nickname because of the     
>                               way he's built, or the way he plays? :-)

I don't know, I think that Dale Davis may start instead...

>C  - Rik Smits - If he can walk on those bad knees - only because there's 
>                 nobody else who can the position.  This team would have been 
>                 unstoppable if they could have finagled a deal for Olajuwan!
>
>
>Scott E. States - another Pacer fan on the net...hey, let's start a club!
>statesse@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu


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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Pacers "bad" trade
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:32:19 GMT

u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
>I think most people are forgetting what Indiana might get out of losing Chuck
>Person.  I don't think it's the fact that Miller will be getting more shots,
>but how about more time for their best player, Detlef Schrempf?  Why did Rik
>Smits get so few minutes last year?  He isn't awesome, but certainly having
>the 7'4'' center in there who shoots 51% and blocks shots is better than the
>rejects they had there before...and I think it came to the fact that having
>Smits in there took away shots from other guys with egos.  Well, the biggest
>ego is gone, and at least the Pacers will have more offensive balance, not
>just guys chucking it up from outside.

	Actually, it would be rather hard for Schrempf to get any more PT 
	than he already had been getting -- wasn't he 2nd in the team in
	minutes after Miller?  And that was all coming off the bench.  
	Schrempf's role & playing time shouldn't change -- except that he'll
	be starting instead of subbing.

	Concerning Smits -- Dreiling aside -- I wouldn't consider some of
	the centers the Pacers have had in the past as rejects.  Steve
	Stipanovich played some really solid years w/ the team -- and although
	he was never a superstar (especially for a #2 pick) -- but he
	was there every nite with the same numbers...

	Jazzy J
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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 7 Sep 1992 14:58:33 EDT
From: <IO20738@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
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Subject: Best players by position

    Here are my opinions on the five best players at each positions.

PG  1-John Stockton               SG  1-Michael Jordan
    2-Tim Hardaway                    2-Clyde Drexler
    3-Kevin Johnson                   3-Mitch Richmond
    4-Derek Harper                    4-Jeff Hornacek
    5-Mark Price                      5-Reggie Lewis

                     C  1-David Robinson
                        2-Patrick Ewing
                        3-Hakeem Olajuwon
                        4-Shaquile O'Neille
                        5-Brad Daugherty

 SF  1-Charles Barkley             PF  1-Karl Malone
     2-Scottie Pippen                  2-Dennis Rodman
     3-Chris Mullin                    3-Derrick Coleman
     4-Dominique Wilkins               4-Larry Johnson
     5-James Worthy                    5-Kevin Willis

     Remember, these are just my opinions.  I made this up of the
top of my head so there is probably some people I forgot about.  I
also am not sure if Rodman is a power forward.  He always seems to
guard SF's on defense.  What do you think?

Brent Sutherland-University of Maine at Orono
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From: isc10122@nusunix3.nus.sg (ER HAN KOON)
Subject: Re: Bird's farewell?
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 09:06:14 GMT

isc10122@nusunix3.nus.sg (ER HAN KOON) writes:
:     To ER is human.
    Is there going to be a farewell tour for Bird?Just like the one
    Kareem and Dr J. had.Damned i hate vi. 
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Will Bird become a broadcastor?
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:49:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep04.003517.790@r-node.gts.org> shadow@r-node.gts.org (Jay Chu) writes:
>Now that Larry Bird has retired, what are the chances for him to work for NBC
>Sports?  It will be neat to see him on TV again.
>
>       ||/|/|/|
>       |      |
>       |      |
>       | (o)(o)
>      C      _)
>       | ,___|     shadow!
>       |    /

Oh, please!  Larry Bird had one of the all-time great jump shots in the
history of the NBA.  He was the best passing forward of all time.  But,
to suggest that he would be a good microphone guy  is really a bit of a
stretch don't you think?   Larry has consistently been one of the NBA's
worst interviews.  He tends to be terse and moody.  He hates attention.
And, he shows no attraction to the spotlight.  No, I can't picture Lar-
ry being prep'ed for a 1:00 taping.  I CAN picture him, in French Lick,
at his bar, shootin' the breeze after a pick up game of basketball, and
tossin' down another cold one.

Larry's next two public appearances might be when his number is retired
and when he is inducted into the Hall of Fame.   And, they might be his
last two.   ;-)
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: bulls draft info?
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:40:32 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

sead@mundoe.maths.mu.OZ.AU (Sead Mujushi) writes:

>In article <1992Sep14.225645.26444@cs.brown.edu> cs169061@cs.brown.edu (Michael Kalman) writes:
>>        I remember Corey Williams as the third guard at Okl. St.,  playing
>>alongside Darwyn Alexander & Sean Sutton.  Williams has incredible quickness;
>>he gets lots of steals, is fun to watch on the break, and can dribble 
>>around most defenders.  Surprisingly though, I don't think he was a big scorer.
>>The Cowboys' physical, halfcourt style of play no doubt had something to do 
>>with that, but I'm also not sure he has NBA range on his jumper. 
>>
>>                                                 Michael K.

>Corey Williams had a nickname, something to do with his speed on the court
>and his defence, is this the same guy?

	Corey Williams was nicknamed "The Terminator" for his tenacity on
	defense.  Often at the beginning of games, Darwyn Alexander would
	tell his opponent "you'd better score all the points U can now, because
	the Terminator is coming..."  Then, when Williams would check in,
	he'd say to the same guy "I'm here"...

	Jazzy J
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From: aminkoff@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Tony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Best players by position
Date: 8 Sep 92 08:07:53 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Ok, here's my list, well designed to draw flames:

PG:  Tim Hardaway, Kevin Johnson, Mark Price, John Stockton, Michael
Adams.

SG:  Michael Jordan, Clyde Drexler, Reggie Miller, Mitch Richmond,
Jeff Hornacek.

SF:  Chris Mullin, Dominique Wilkins, Charles Barkley, Scottie
Pippen, Larry Johnson.

PF:  Karl Malone, Larry Nance, Kevin Willis, Horace Grant, Derrick
Coleman.

C:   David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Brad Daugherty, Hakeem Olajuwon,
Pervis Ellison.

Tony Minkoff
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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Turnover stat 
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:53:19 GMT

In article <BuFBuo.932@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>
>	Turnovers are really not an accurate measure of passing ability --
>	especially for a center.  Centers usually do have the most turnovers,
>	but not because they're bad passers.  Usually, their turnovers are
>	due to :
>	a) getting the ball picked away when they put it on the floor
>	b) travelling/double dribble
>	c) 3-second calls
>	A center could be a GREAT passer -- yet have high turnover stats due
>	to those things...

True enough, but I think they get plenty of passes picked off too.  When was
the last time you heard a 3 second call?  Anyway, Ewing has never had any
numbers saying that he's better than passing to someon who's totally open
after drawing a triple team.  Neither have the other guys.  Of centers, I
used to love the way Kareem and Bill Walton could thread the needle.

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From: statesse@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Scott E States)
Subject: Pacers "bad" trade
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 06:03:59 GMT


A lot of people out there are saying the Pacers made a really bad trade.  I  
have to agree that it looks bad on paper, but maybe not if you look beyond  
stats.  It looks to me like Williams and Richardson are pretty equal stat-wise,  
but I think Richardson is a little bit younger. ( I may be wrong... )  The  
inequity seems to be in the Person/Mitchell stats.  The rap on the Pacers the  
past couple of years has been that they have too many scorers and not enough  
role players.  By getting rid of Person they're basically giving Reggie Miller  
the green light to shoot the ball.  I think this could help the Pacers in the  
long run, but, of course, it could just as easily blow up in ther faces.  I  
think it was a pretty good deal for the T-wolves too, they picked up some  
scoring and some leadership which it seemed like they needed pretty bad.   
Hopefully this deal will help out both clubs!

Scott E. States
statesse@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
From: m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov (Wayne C. Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Gugs signing with Bullets
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:05:51 GMT
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Organization: Federal Reserve Board
In-reply-to: m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov's message of 10 Sep 92 13:04:10 GMT


Gugliotta has finally decided to sign with the Bullets.  This, after 
dealing with 3 over-seas teams and turning down a very handsome original
deal from the Bullets.  Now the Bullets have to work some magic to create 
money for him after signing Grant to an outrageous deal and blowing 
their salary cap to hell.  They supposedly only have Eackles old salary
to use (780K) whereas Gugs wants more than the 1.345 mil they offered.
Personally, I can't see letting Eackles go.  No "D" whatsoever, but on a
hot night, could light it up like you wouldn't believe.  Major, major
underachiever.  Makes me want to get sick.
Wayne.
From: dstanzi@eng.clemson.edu (daniel stanzione)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Dominque Wilkins status?
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:24:41 GMT
Reply-To: dstanzi@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.


 	I recently read in the Atlanta Constitution that Wilkins claims he
is 100% healthy and has been for some time.  Remember, his injury was to 
the achilles, not one of those 2 year knee injuries.  He said he
was telling this to the paper because he was tired of having
people tell him "Man, I hope your back by January".

	By the way, has anyone heard how Dale Davis' rehab is coming??
I know he separated his shoulder a couple of months back, and there were
doubts as to rather he'd be back by training camp.

			--Dan
From: mark@tc.fluke.COM (Mark D. Nagel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Jazz musings (long)
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:57:47 GMT
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In <1992Sep10.135343.7173@unislc.uucp> rgh@unislc.uucp (Rich Hannon) writes:

[follow up posting on Utah trades]

>Didn't mean to imply that Causwell was negligible, in fact, since Hanson's
>subsequent success has been "modest" - & is now out of the league, and
>Lechner is marginal, Causwell (if the Jazz had chosen him with their #1)
>is the most costly loss in that trade. Certainly if the Jazz had him
>I think they would be in somewhat better shape at center (don't know
>how much better 'cause I haven't followed him that closely). But then
>I would be talking about Jazz weakness at SG. My bottom line is: I'd
>trade those 3 guys for Jeff Malone any day. The Jazz jumped up to another
>level after they got him - now there was an outside threat to make
>people pay for tripling K. Malone.

I can attest to the fact that J. Malone is a plus to Utah -- He killed
Seattle; without him I don't think Utah would have pulled it off.

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From: kthompso@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Kevin Thompson)
Subject: Re: Jazz musings (long)
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:54:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.225832.5984@dsd.es.com> jjehlers@flapjack.dsd.es.com (JJ H. Ehlers) writes:

>Friday the Jazz announced that they signed John Crotty to a 1 year contract.
>He is a point guard who played for the Jazz in the Rocky Mountain Review and
>at the LA Summer League.  He was injured during the last few days of the
>Rocky Mtn Review, but apparently played well during the LA league.  He's
>been out of school 1 year, I can't remember where he played, and last year
>played in the WBA.  He will definately be 11 or 12 on the bench, but seems
>to have potential to decent.

Crotty was point guard for the University of Virginia (my alma mater).
Streaky shooter at best I believe.  Really competitive, decent move to the
hoop, tenacious D but he's not super-quick.  I agree he has the potential to
be decent, I doubt he has the skills to really make it in the NBA as a
starter ever but he does lots of little things.  He was never 1st team
all-ACC, but there were lots of very good college point guards in the ACC
during his tenure (Corchiani, Hurley, Kenny Anderson, etc).

Kevin Thompson
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From: west@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Brian West)
Subject: Re: Hakeem trade rumors
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:52:29 GMT

(John Carter) writes:

>> 2. The Miami Heat ship center Rony Seikaly, rookie guard Harold Miner, and
>> small forward Grant Long to Houston for Hakeem Olajuwon and Sleepy Floyd.
>> 

(Joe Sosa) writes:

>With the acquisition of Salley, Grant Long becomes somewhat expendible
>(and I also think that he has no contract).  I want Seikaly out, he is
>one of the top 10 centers in the NBA, but just does not have the style
>for the Heat.
>
>Olajuwon is still a possibility in my eyes.  But untouchables are Rice and
>Smith (and possibly Miner or Long).
>
>I really think that as time goes on, the Rockets will become more and more
>impatient.  They might even settle for a Seikaly and Shaw/Edwards/Coles
>for Olajuwon.  

Don't forget to throw in the towel boy too (or should I say Kessler.)
Houston needs a center and a shooting guard from the Olajuwon trade.
Shaw/Edwards/Coles are all pretty lame shooters.  Smith would be the
best choice of the "untouchables", but he is not an exact match for
Houston's needs since he so far has got most of his minutes at 1.  IMO
I do see Smith being able to play 1, 2, and 3 in the NBA depending on
the match up, so he might be worth taking a chance on.  I like Rice
alot but Houston's is just loaded at the 3 slot, albeit none have
Rice's talent.

The Rockets also need a backup 4/5 to replace Larry Smith.  A good
trade for the Rockets would be Seikaly and Smith and Long for Olajuwon
and Sleepy and Buck Johnson (assuming that the Rockets sign him.)
This trade would be along the lines of what Phoenix had to give up to
get Barkley.

Brian West
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From: adamw@ecst.csuchico.edu (James Adam Ward)
Subject: Re: BEST POINT GUARD IN NBA
Keywords: Jordan, Bird, Michael Cooper
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:20:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.204026.11089@oracle.us.oracle.com> rpierce@oracle.com (Russell Pierce) writes:
>
>>4) If Jordan was guarded by (Joe Dumars, Ritchmond, or any
>>other player that Jordan said was the best player to ever
>>guard him) every night, then Jordan wouldn't score
>>as many points. Jordan said Michael Cooper was the best to
>>guard him, but Michael Jordan only plays(ed) him twice
>>a year. What if Cooper was in the same division as Jordan...
>>That could affect his scoring average.... Again,
>>many examples of this....
>
>	Wow-another of the game greatest saying Michael Cooper was the 
>	best to ever guard him.  First it was Larry Legend at his 
>	retirement announcement and now we hear it from Michael Jordan.
>	I was always a huge Cooper fan.  He always came off the bench
>	for my beloved Lakers and played hellacious D on the other 
>	teams scorer.  He also was famous for the infamous
>	'Coop-a-loop' in the late 70's and early 80's.  Thanks to 
>	Bird and Jordan for giving a guy credit for what he did so 
>	well.  Alot of players today could learn alot from
>	Michael Cooper's style of play.  He was not only great on
>	the court, but was a great role model off it!!!
>
>	Hey Laker fans, how about a toast to our man 'Coop'!!!
>
>
>		Russ
>
>
	Definitely a man who knows what he is talking about!  There are more players then Jordan who have said Coop was they best Defender.  Another man by the name of Bird said Coop D-eed him up the best.  Coop is right.  He was always right.  I miss him out there.  Just look at Coop's resume, especially his defensive player of the years honors and his multiple years being a part of the all-defensive team.  You can't deny Coop.  Russ, I am looking forward to this season and our Lakers!  The Magic is back.  Give 






me some feedback.  Let't talk about that 6th ring for Magic.  

ps:  what you people out there are pulling up your socks??
     GO HOME>  theres only one COOP.


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From: burt@rigel.tamu.edu (Burt Juarez)
Subject: Re: BEST POINT GUARD IN NBA
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Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:40:00 GMT

In article <BuBs9u.1BJ@news.larc.nasa.gov>, bandwen@eagle.larc (bando) writes...
>Mark Price
>-I don't have his stats handy, but he is the heart and then some of the 
>Cavaliers who almost knocked the Bulls out of the playoffs this year.
>He is an Unbelievable shooter with incredible quickness and penetrating
>ability.  I think he should have been on the Olympic team.  Now that 
>Magic no longer plays (?), I think he is the best PG in the league.
>--bando


I have to totally agree with you.  Mark Price should have been on the Olympic
team.  He is an outstanding shooter and a great passer.  He is also a team
player.  He steps up everyones game by getting the ball to them.  His teams
record without him was pretty bad.  With MP there was an incredible difference.

He has a great first step.  The Cavs did give a run to the Bulls.  
Next season watch the Cavs to be on top of the Eastern Conference.  And one 
of the reasons they'll be on top is Mark Price.  


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