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From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Women saying Kaddish
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:32:31 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

From Thursday's YEDIOT ACHARONOT:

Rabbi Abarjel, chief of the rabbinical court in Beer Sheva and a candidate for
chief Sephardic Rabbi, has ruled that a woman may recite Kaddish in the
synagogue if there are no male progeny or if there is a possibility that the
son of the deceased will *not* say Kaddish. The woman must obviously sit in the
women's section but the congregants should answer AMEN.
---------------------

Maybe there's progress after all.

Josh
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL
From: ph600fcy@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (Matthew Harrington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Report from Mars:  finished the ONE intro. book to Judaism
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:04:47 GMT

As the Martian assigned to the case of learning about Judaism in one
week, I'm proud to report that I've accomplished my task with the
aid of "To Be a Jew," which received the most recommendations from
s.c.j.  On the shelf nearby there was Maimonides' "Guide for the
Perplexed," which, I'm afraid, I'll have to set aside until I visit
this lovely planet again.  Perhaps I should get Maimonides'
lesser-known first work, "Guide for the Clueless" before I work up
to the sequel.

Thanks for the recommendations.

					Regards,

					Matt "Eight-Eyes" Harrington

PS.  It tasted good, too.

-- 
---------------------------------
Matthew B. Harrington
mbharrington@ucsd.edu
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: My interpretation and yours
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:12:58 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: johnson@itzb.com

In article <9211231652.AA16894@relay2.UU.NET>, johnson@itzb writes:
>If you want to call my interpretation illegitimate,
>give me a reason, otherwise stop complaining about
>people calling you illegitimate while yourselves all
>calling me illegitimate.

Look bozo.  The "legitimate interpretation" flame is the creation
of Stan Krieger.  No one else knows what it means.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jgoldber@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Oral sex
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:55:17 GMT

In article <2867@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
> |warren@         "Warren's slogan is an Anti-semite slogan."

  Doesn't this belong in the G(AK) thread? GAK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout)
Subject: Re: Biblical Timeline
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:35:34 GMT

In <1992Nov23.191851.14941@cbfsb.cb.att.com> hem@maverick.col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz) writes:

>The development of the time-line written below is based on a lecture by Rav
>Schwab of Kahal Adath Yeshurun (Rav Breuer's schul) given in the year 5729
>(1968/69 C.E.) according to the count we currently use from the creation of the
>world.  The lecture dealt with the problem of dating the destruction of the
>two Temples and reconciling the dates with the Xian dating system currently in
>use.

>There are three methods of dating the beginning of the Creation era counting
>from the creation.  They are:

etc. etc. etc. (Detailed but erroneous time-lines follow).

Did someone write that Jewish Fundamentalism, i.e. a strictly
literal interpretation of Torah, does not exist?  Here is
a good example of what I was talking about.  Is
Evolutionary Biology is really advocated in Jewish schools today?
If so, then many seem to be completely ignorant of it.



--
Eli Chiprout                 
Dept. of Electronics, 
Carleton University, Canada
emc@doe.carleton.ca
From: chr04ha@vmsa.technion.ac.il (Amitai Halevi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Autopsy - Kahane and Rosenbaum
Date: 15 Nov 92 10:59:56 GMT
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology

In article <2805@israel.nysernet.org>, warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) 
writes:
> 
> It was just as easy for me to express my criticism of him during his
> life.  His murder does not render him immune to criticism.  

Do you not follow the sequence (precept?): Aharei mot-kedoshim-emor,
otherwise known as "De mortuis etc..."? 

Amitai
>  |warren@

 *---------------------------------------------------------------*
 | E.A. Halevi, Department of Chemistry, Technion - I.I.T.       |     
 | "Mipnei seiva takum, vehadarta pnei zaken" - Leviticus 19, 32 |
 *---------------------------------------------------------------*
Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:20530 sci.logic:2112 sci.philosophy.meta:2647
From: martinc@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,sci.logic,sci.philosophy.meta
Subject: Re: Belief and Logic (was re: Belief and science (Einstein))
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:26:16 GMT
	<1992Nov17.153512.17541@husc3.harvard.edu>
	<1992Nov18.174038.9198@guinness.idbsu.edu>
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: UNC Department of Computer Science
In-reply-to: holmes@garnet.idbsu.edu's message of 18 Nov 92 17:40:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.174038.9198@guinness.idbsu.edu> holmes@garnet.idbsu.edu (Randall Holmes) writes:

   >Herman is absolutely right in the literal Cantorian sense.  Genuine
   >infinitary syntax, as distinguished from merely transfinite Tarskian
   >languages, is _a priori_ ineffable.

   I was referring to the latter.  If God uses Absolute Infinite syntax,
   then even He cannot understand the overall structure of His own
   thought.

And She can make a stone so large She can't lift it, too.
--
		Charles R. Martin/(Charlie)/martinc@cs.unc.edu
     Dept. of Computer Science/CB #3175 UNC-CH/Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3175
	    3611 University Dr #13M/Durham, NC 27707/(919) 419 1754
     "Oh God, please help me be civil in tongue, pure in thought, and able
      to resist the temptation to laugh uncontrollably.  Amen." -- Rob T
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.african-american,misc.legal
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: ARF says is aint so
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 23:32:34 GMT

In article <BxIDxp.JCx@apollo.hp.com> goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman) writes:
>In article <BxGzLz.K2A@world.std.com> srm@world.std.com (Stevens R Miller) writes:

>>  Given the conflicting testimony of the police, I believe what
>>some of the jurors said was the reason for their verdict:  They didn't believe
>>the evidence.  What's so hard about accepting that reason?

>    Isn't that the same reason why Kahane's murderer was acquitted of
>    murder charges?

In both cases, the jury preferred to accept a conspiracy theory,
despite a preponderance of evidence to the contrary.  In both cases,
racial and religious prejudice is suspected among the jury members.

In the Kahane case, the jury decided that El Said Nossair, carried a
gun into the hotel meeting room, did not use it there, then fled the
room and got into a gunfight with a policeman outside for no obvious
reason.  Militant Islamic propaganda was found in his apartment.  They 
also decided that one of Kahane's followers must have actually shot
Kahane in the neck in public for some unknown reason with a gun which
noone ever saw and was never found.  The judge described their verdict
as "bizzare".  

No riots ensued in NY.  The message was clear - pesky Jews can be
murdered and no one will have to pay the bill.  

In the Rosenbaum case, the jury decided that Nelson was chased by the
police and caught within minutes of the stabbing, that he jumped over
a fence in fleeing the scene to demonstrate his innocence, not his
guilt, that among the whole lynch mob of people who participated in
this murder, the police arrested only one person who must've been the
wrong one, and that the police made up the whole story and lied in
court because they hate Blacks and Hispanics.  And, anyways, Jews
won't riot like the others did in LA and elsewhere.

If American Jews aren't listening, defense lawyers are.  Crime pays
(Nelson now has a multi-million dolllar lawsuit against the City) and
you can get away with murder, especially murdering Jews.

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ring@inf.fu-berlin.de (Rod J. Ring)
Subject: Re: Prayer shawls
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany, Computer Science
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:19:30 GMT


"Talit" *is* feminine and has in fact *three* plural forms:

"talitot" (which is the most commonly used one),

"talehtim" and

"taliot" (which is hardly *ever* used, because "taliot" is
          also the plural of "talia", a female lamb).

I don't know why the "tsitsit" is called "talit katan"
(masculine), but it sure is, I never ever heard "talit
ktana".  Probably Don's interpretation is right, and it is
a Yiddish mistake absorbed into modern Ivrit.

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Institut fuer Informatik		and force it to drink,
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: rubinoff@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Robert Rubinoff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Vatican Recognition of Israel - Who Needs It?
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:51:32 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov22.165131.27516@cs.brown.edu> hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) writes:
>[...] The Vatican only this
>year, after a decade or two of investigation, finally acquiesced to
>the idea that the Earth orbits the Sun. Galileo has been ex - ex -
>communicated.

This is not correct.  The Vatican has accepted the geo-centric model of the
solar system for centuries.  Furthermore, Galileo's conviction was motivated
not by the scientific issues but by the fact that he deliberately insulted the
Pope; the charges were arranged as retaliation for the insult.  (The Roman
Catholic Church also explicitly accepts evolution, by the way.)

   Robert
From: jjsulliv@COLBY.EDU (Nice Young Lady(tm))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Oral sex
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:55:16 GMT
Reply-To: <jjsulliv@COLBY.EDU (Nice Young Lady(tm))>
Organization: Nysernet
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org

jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:

>In article <1992Nov17.223153.21296@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M.
 Solovay) writes:
>>In article <BxvM23.E10@fiu.edu> steinm2d@serss0 (Daniel Steinmetz) writes:
>>>Judaism considers sex as "legal" only when it is done to reproduce.
>>
>>This is untrue. Judaism specifically permits a couple to have sex
>>when the woman is pregnant, or past menopause, or otherwise
>>sterile. In none of these cases can the sex lead to a pregnancy.
>  Not to mention that according to (Yivamot? it was daf yomi in August)
>   there is no possibility of pregnancy from a woman's first relations
>   which would mean that one could never get started.
>   (I wonder why the Amoraim excluded Lot's daughters. Anybody know?)


Is that where that old wives' tale came from?  Some of the girls in my HS
thought your couldn't get pregnant the first time.  *rolls her eyes*

JJ
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller)
Subject: Re: American Antisemitism
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:01:22 GMT

Unfortunately, the information is pretty solid.  The latest poll
conducted by the ADL shows an alarmingly high 37% for blacks as
compared with 20% for whites scored as anti-Semitic.  Now there's
always room for argument about questionnaires, etc., but in the 
absence of a better measuring device that's what we're stuck with.

I want to take this opportunity to apologize to readers for a 
statement I made in the last week or so.  In it I said that,
while there is an inverse relation between education and anti-
Semitism among white, the relation was otherwise among blacks.
Not so.  The ADL report says that anti-Semitism is in both
cases more often found among those with little education.  I
can't remember or find the study that I was "citing" and I've
concluded that I must have got it wrong to start with.

In any event, the finding should not be interpreted as part of
a war of words with the African-American community.  Such a
finding does not preclude change (a lifelong pessimist speaks)
and most Jews are ready right now to do what can be done to
bring it about.

Norman Miller
nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu












Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: The First Time (was Re: Oral sex)
Organization: Smiley Abolition Front
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:21:18 GMT

In article <2872@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
>In <1992Nov18.032715.283@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:
>
>>  Not to mention that according to (Yivamot? it was daf yomi in August)
>>   there is no possibility of pregnancy from a woman's first relations
>>   which would mean that one could never get started.
>
>But I have another question - Rashi (Ber 49:3) says that Reuven
>resulted from Yaakov's first sexual act.  If Leah was a virgin (and we
>know that we're supposed to assume that brides are), how did she
>convceive?

Clearly, Leah used tampons. These tore the hymen (hey, it
happens).

Actually, if we presume the relevant data are literally true,
then maybe Leah used the same trick that (Rashi says) Lot's
daughters did, namely tearing her hymen beforehand. Why would she
do this?  Perhaps she was worried how Jacob would react once he
knew he'd been tricked... would he reject her? Divorce her out of
hand? She might have thought he'd be more likely to stay around
if she were pregnant with his child. She'd only get one chance
with him before he found out who she was, so she wanted to make
that one count.

This is all off the top of my head. Are there any relevant
midrashim?
-- 
Andrew Michael Solovay    

"We know that Solovay is a misogynist and an idiot..."
                --Melinda Shore
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:13:48 GMT

In article <isaac.721959403@etrog> isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Isaac Balbin) writes:
>stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:

>>This all goes back to a point I raised a few days ago.  The
>>Orthodox Jewish community does not define our religion.  

>It does, always has, and always will, and you acknowledge that yourself.
>Stan Krieger doesn't accept the definition though.
>That's fine, Stan.

>		I can't even begin to see the connection
>That maintaining ones theological conviction is tantamount to fragmenting
>our people?
>		This is preposterous.

>Get of your soap box Krieger, look at yourself and then go out and
>set a good example. That's all you have to do. If you do it, then 
>you will have achieved a hell of a lot more than the nonsense you
>posted above.

If the Orthodox insist that those not accepting their view are not
properly Jewish, and that people they convert to their version of
Judaism are not to be considered Jewish, they ARE fragmenting the
the Jewish people.

Stan Krieger and I differ on a great many points.  But we can accept
each other as being religious Jews, which is more than the Orthodox
posting on this net seem to be able to do.
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
{purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Readership of s.c.j.
From: EXTDSM@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MADDISON,David)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:34:05 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

I am interested in finding out some statistics on the readership of s.c.j..
Specifically, I would like to know the numbers of people who read it and what
countries they are from. Also, I am curious as to how often readers look at
s.c.j., e.g. proportion who read it daily, weekly, etc.. Any information would 
be gratefully apppreciated.                                       David Maddison
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: khaikin@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (dmitry khaikin)
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 06:35:21 GMT

In article <4432@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.062732.21597@cis.ohio-state.edu> khaikin@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (dmitry khaikin) writes:
>
>>Would you kindly respect the Name of G-d and NOT write His Name like you
>>just did. I can't even read the your article after this. It reminds of
>>the way goyim write the name of ... on the walls of the toilet. 
>
>
>Is the term 'goyim' refer specifically to Xians or (and) to non-Jews
>in general?

Yes, you can refer to goyim, not only xians, that is goyim that have another
religion. I think it is implied here. Goyim that are righteous would not
right the Name of G-d on the a wall.

>
>I understand why you are not supposed to write the name of God out (as
>Muslims, we consider His Name to be very Holy also), but since it is
>written electronically verses on paper, why does it still maintain the
>same rule?  Or is it just that the tradition cannot be moderated?
>
>Anisa
>

It is not really proper to say that we are like them, it is quate
opposite: they are like us. I think I have answered this before, but I
will answer it again. It is not a requirement that you do this here,
moreover it is not in Hebrew, it is in English, so the real mitzvah
doesn't apply here. BUT it is emphazing your respect to the Name, so
please do this, it is just a dash in between G and n. It does not take
long to put your finger on the dash key. It is always better to do more
then less, and since it does not really take a lot of work to do it...
If you still don't want to do it, just do it as a favor to me and we'll
say I owe you one.

Thanks,
Dima
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  "A word is worth one coin; silence is worth two."_____ The Talmud.
  "Silence is good everywhere, except in connection with Torah."____ The Zohar.
   khaikin@cis.ohio-state.edu (Dmitry Khaikin, Columbus Ohio, USA)
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: sex and Dawud Melekhanu(Yemenite pronunciation)
Date: 22 Nov 92 03:54:27 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Nov21.224924.598@cbnews.cb.att.com> ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:
>In article <4446@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>>Maybe you should check his credentials.  A Rabbi named Michael??

>I don't get it?  Are you saying Jews cannot be named after angels?
>Why?
 
I was half-joking.  Actually, I though Michael/Michel was a Christian
name.  I am not trying to say anything here except for my surprise
at hearing of a rabbi named Michael.  Are you referring to the
arch angel Michael?  I still don't think that would qualify since
it is within the context of Catholicism and not Judaism (though I
could be wrong).

Anisa
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: holmes@garnet.idbsu.edu (Randall Holmes)
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Organization: Boise State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:54:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.184142.27360@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
>David Charlap writes:
>>Stan Krieger writes:
>
>>>The only nonsense is your head in the sand attitude.  It's time you
>>>recognize the real world.
>
>>Then you should abandon all religion completely.  After all, it's
>>nothing but faith in what can't be observed anyway.
>
>It looks to me that David's comment proves the lesson that we should
>be getting out of Tisha B'Av.  Here is a person, who considers himself
>an observant Jew, advising another Jew to join the atheists because
>the second Jew doesn't feel that David Cherlap's sect is the only
>sect that knows what God expects of us.

I wouldn't phrase it this way; if the Orthodox do know what God
expects of us, then they ARE the only ones who do, because that is
what they claim.  Either they are right, and they are the only ones
who know, or they are wrong (which is the only alternative which
leaves the possibility of the rest of us being right).  Either they
_are_ the only ones in the class under discussion or they are not
elements of the class at all.

>
>I'll repeat it again.  Get your head out of the sand and join the
>real world.

As he knows and you perhaps do not, he cannot do this without a
fundamental change in his beliefs.

>-- 
>Stan Krieger                 All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
>UNIX System Laboratories     if related to my employment, are my own.
>Summit, NJ
>smk@usl.com


-- 
The opinions expressed		|     --Sincerely,
above are not the "official"	|     M. Randall Holmes
opinions of any person		|     Math. Dept., Boise State Univ.
or institution.			|     holmes@opal.idbsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Oral sex
From: Yaakov Kayman <YZKCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 16 Nov 1992 13:39:26 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Make that "Jewish LAW."

Yaakov K. (yzkcu@cunyvm.cuny.edu)

In article <H6X82KE@math.fu-berlin.de>, ring@inf.fu-berlin.de (Rod J. Ring)
says:
>
>In article <9211142004.AA09989@host0.COLBY.EDU>, jjsulliv@COLBY.EDU (Nice Young
>Lady(tm))
>writes:
>> ...
>>
>> According to a strict view of Jewish morality, she shouldn't even be        g
                                        ^^^^^^^^
>> sleeping with you, anyway. :-P
>>
>> JJ
>
>According to not even too strict a view of Jewish morality *any*
                                                   ^^^^^^^^
>Jewish person should not engage in any sexual contact with anybody
>but their Jewish *spouse*.
>
>Excuse me, but *anything* else, including ...
>and including sex between two Jewish partners not
>married to each other, violates Jewish morality.
                                        ^^^^^^^^
>
>Rod J. Ring
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Square Kippot (was: Re: Tzitzit on ordinary garments)
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:54:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.192920.17472@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>(I also think that writing the words "There are 613 mitzvot.  Follow them."
>written in large friendly letters would be much more effective at reminding
>people than doing something whose gematria happens to add up to the number
>613.  If the purpose is to remind people, why such a roundabout way?)
  To provide divrei torah at seudah shlishit. Which reminds me. Most
  people think that there are supposed to be 3 meals on shabbat. Actually,
  there are supposed to be 5. We learn this out as follows: Friday
  night the first, shabbat morning the second, after mincha shalosh
  sudos, for a total of five.
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