From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (General Mineral)
Subject: Re: A nation chosen by GOD -- New-Israel
Summary: Still foolin' around with disbelievers.
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Keywords: Why Bother?! 
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:15:00 GMT

In article <16B4FBE8C.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de>, 
I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes...
>

>In article <5JAN199319431894@utarlg.uta.edu>
>b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (General Inspiracy) writes:
> 
>>Before GOD all are equal. Worldly governments are *not* instituted
>>by GOD. Such are my beliefs, and this... that no sin is any worse
>>than any other -- thus all of us, (the users and the used), are
>>equally lacking before GOD.
> 
>I think I recall a lot of Bible quotes which say that people are NOT equal
>before god. Like the chosen people stuff. And I don't care about any
>unprovable metaphysical pseudoequality that does not affect real life.

God has chosen everyone BR, some don't accept. So be it.

>>How can any of us escape the chains which bind each -- especially
>>the shortness of one's own life, or the meager size of one's own
>>brain? As human beings each has a limited consciousness -- even by
>>drawing on 6000 years of written history, or all the logic of
>>science and philosophy -- we still look through the lens of our own
>>individual brief awareness: the weakest link. Yet some choose to
>>think that they have it all figured out, seeing no need to try just
>>simply loving GOD.

>Assuming that I want to escape the chains. And that other tools are not
>good doesn't make your tool valid. To be more correct, there is no way
>for you to communicably validate your tool. And that is the reason why
>so many don't care for it. 

That's why I =believe= rather than =know=. There's nothing that can
reveal GOD to you, if *you* don't want to believe. Let me make the 
point clearer -- I don't even believe in the validity of my own logic 
or sanity, (which you're probably happy to second). So =all= I have to
go on is my faith in GOD, who'll work everything out as GOD intends, 
which is good enough for me.

>Anyway, how about you being too proud to see that Krishna is God?

Whether we call GOD: God, Allah, YHWH, Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma, or any
other which suggests GOD of GODS, LORD of LORDS, CREATOR of CREATORs,
or perhaps more appropriately -- the One beyond all human description...
it matters little to me. Ditto for the Messiah.

>Prove me wrong. Or leave me alone.

What's interesting is that you, (THOU), chose to respond to the posting
rather than just going about your business. Why would anyone's faith
in GOD matter in a Godless universe? Why do you bother responding?

>The fancy point is, that you think that you have it all figured out. 

I've expressed (in no uncertain terms) my =belief=. I could be wrong,
childish, deranged, manipulative, human, machine, etc.... I could be
a different person tomorrow than today or yesterday. That's why I
put my faith in GOD, rather than myself. Very different than saying
"I know."

So -- to make it very, very clear -- I don't think I have anything
figured out. 

>Science for instance does not say so. And as opposed to science, you 
>are even too arrogant to make statements that can be checked.

Science as a method hinges on repetition. Recorded human history is
only around 6000 years old. Good scientific estimates of the total 
number of homo sapiens to now is under 100 billion. In a seemingly
infinite universe of space and time -- a negligible fraction of 
attempts have been made by us to ascertain anything. Believing 
in Science is like believing tomorrow will be the same as today. 
A theory at best. 

It's kinda arrogant to assume that what's going on in our tiny bubble
of space-time is the same as any other where-when, in my most humble 
opinion.

>And cut out the preaching,
>   Benedikt

Thanks sincerely BR. I've never had anyone tell me I was preaching before.
Do you think I have the calling?? (I think many people would say I'm too 
much of a smart-ass.)

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