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From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (K. Khan)
Subject: is: Total Recall was: T2 is crap
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:28:47 GMT


In article <1992Apr14.124026.16964@yang.earlham.edu> uril@yang.earlham.edu writes:
>In article <madkiwi.702851806@camelot>, madkiwi@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Eade) writes:
>> 
>> T-1000, once he has touched a person, can simulate that person and their voice.  Once he touched Sarah, he would've offed her.  
>> 
>> Much too civilized for a machine that hates humans, don't you think?
>
>PLEASE, NO MORE!!!!  WE HAVE HEARD EVERY SIDE OF THIS ARGUMENT!   IT IS 
>OVER.  THERE ARE MUCH MORE INTRESTING THINGS TO TALK ABOUT THAN A MINOR 
>WHOLE IN AN OTHERWISE SOLID SCRIPT.  SO PLEASE, LET US MOVE ON!!!!!!!!!!


OK, you got it.

In another Ah-nold movie, Total Recall, the ending is left somewhat open
as to whether the events of the film were "live" or if they were Total
Memore - er, I mean, Recall. I lean toward the Recall implant myself.

Has this one been discussed to death, as well?

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From: cah@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Allen Halsell)
Subject: Re: Plug Pulled on Spike Lee's "Malcolm X"
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:59:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.152001.4184@panix.com> tkelsey@panix.com (Tom Kelsey) writes:
>
>My feeling is that if he is 'going to the mat' for all this 'artistic'
>integrity he's nuts.  Its a film I feel no one wants to see any way..
>The 'whites' will stay away in DROVES...  

Wrong again me bucko, as far as I go.  I can't wait for the film and I
think it's worth the length.  I have the feeling it'll be a
blockbuster and possibly even do what "JFK" didn't -- a number of
people are going to get _really_ angry.

Of course, some of them are angry already.  How many of you have seen
lots of "X" hats and shirts?
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From: smcneil@metro (Shannon McNeil)
Subject: Re: Undubbed version of Mad Max
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 04:42:01 GMT

> Can the undubbed version be gotten in Australia?  Is it possible to get
> one from there in a VHS format that a standard VHS type VCR in the U.S.
> would understand?  There might be video compatibility problems between
> machines here in the States and those in Australia...
> 

I believe there is a compatability problem between USA/Aus -- the picture
comes out ok but the sound stuffs up.  The same goes for USA/UK -- You
Americans should think about changing your system!!!

Shannon
smcneil@ee.su.oz.au


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From: a0s5108@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Neal and Mara Priestly)
Subject: Re: Stephen King's _Sleepwalkers_ (minor spoilers)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:22:05 GMT

In article <ddrumm.229p@amiganet.chi.il.us> ddrumm@amiganet.chi.il.us (Daniel Drumm) writes:
> 
> You didn't mention "The Shining". This is easily the best adaptation of a
> King novel into film. Of course, Kubrick directed it. With the exception of
> Carpenter (Carrie), I don't think anyone of any note has attempted to take
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   Rob Riener (Misery) isn't 'anyone of note?'


> on a King book. Which suits me fine. [Etc.]

-Neal
You've seen my disclaimer...figure it out.
'Killed by pirates is good...' Fred Savage, The Princess Bride
From: jd4b+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Michael DiCosola)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Scenes in ads, but not in film (was Re: Wayne's World Question)
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:12:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.Advn59u00aw5QXEEUe
	<1992Apr4.162927.18050@wheaton.wheaton.edu>
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

hey,
 	One that really pissed off a lot of people was the trailer for dirty
rotten Scoundrels.  It shows Steve Martin and Michael Caine walking
along the edge of the Rivera very galantly.  There is a light music and
an anouncer is saying something.  As they pass a lady stading by the
edge of the water,  Martin nonchanlantly pushes her into the water.  It
was mighty funny, but showed up NOWHERE in the movie - which is
hysterical if no one has seen it!
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From: ckt4x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Curt Tsui)
Subject: Re: Great suspense films (Re: Silence of Lambs...whats the big deal?!!)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 23:09:41 GMT

major@shuksan.boeing.com  writes:
> 
>  >It's very easy to recall movies better for suspense than SOTL.  Here's
>  >some that I liked: in rough decreasing order of preference, and I'm sure
>  >that I could think of others with a little more effort (as the cunning
>  >fox indicated, there are a lot of Hitchcock films that go without saying!):
> 
>   ..and one I think most suspensfull:  Torn Curtain.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Mike Schmitt                   "Verify range to target.  One opinion Mr Vasily,
> Boeing Defense & Space Group    and one opinion only, please.  And it's not my  
> Seattle, WA                     employer's." 
> major@@shuksan.boeing.com     

The Vanishing, a fairly recent foreign film (soon to be remade
into an American one), fits this bill nicely.
--
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ckt4x@Virginia.EDU                    NAKED LUNCH
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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Lets clear this T 101/800 thing up.
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:02:54 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr7.123403.7044@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> tmkk@uiuc.edu (K. Khan) writes:

>Inconclusive. How do we know Ah-nold is not an 850 series in T2? Or a
>900 series? Or even a 999 series?

Fine.  We know the one from T1 was an 800 Series.

>Nowhere in T2 does Ah-nold say what series he is, so there's no way you
>can be certain.

OK, but the one thing we *do* know is that he is *not* a T-800.  He is
never reffered to as a T-800 in either movie.


-- 
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Georgia Institute of Technology  |    why keep score?
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From: hutto@smtc00.engr.scarolina.edu (Brent Hutto, (803) 777-0296)
Subject: Re: Silence of the Lambs
Reply-To: hutto@smtc00.engr.scarolina.edu
Organization: NIST Southeast Manufacturing Technology Center
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 12:53:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.073804.16217@talon.ucs.orst.edu>, mcgredo@bluto.ie.orst.edu (Don McGregor) writes:
> [STUFF DELETED]
>Hannibal is a fun character.  The contrast and sparring between him, Will  
>Graham, and Starling are the highlights of both movies.  The jail scenes are  
>critical to understanding the FBI agents; Harris uses Lector as his foil to  
>flesh out the characters.  After the visit we know that Graham works by  
>slipping into the thought processes of his prey, that he's repulsed by it,  
>and that he's slipping over the edge.  After Starling's visit we know she's  
>relentless, clever but not brilliant, and something of what makes her tick.  
> [STUFF DELETED]
>BTW, in many ways I like Cox's Lector more than Hopkin's Lector.  Hopkins  
>was over the top a little too often.  Cox's Lector kept me more off balance.   
>He wasn't as obviously threatening; you picked that up only after you  
>watched him for a while. The gleam in his eye when Graham offered to let him  
>look at the grisly pictures of a murder scene.  The sly way he tried to  
>weasle Graham's home address.  Schmoozing the secretary on the phone.   
>Hopkins played the menance angle a little too strongly.  Lector is evil, but  
>he's charming too.  (he even has a religious bent.)
>
>--
>Don McGregor             | California danger signs: you own more pairs of 
>mcgredo@bluto.ie.orst.edu| shorts than you do long pants.

I'm not sure I liked either Cox's or Hopkins' portrayal better.  As a movie
character, Hopkins performance had more oomph to it.  As a character from the
book Red Dragon, Cox's performance was nearly perfect.  In fact, I had read
Silence of the Lambs first, then Red Dragon, then went to see the SotL movie.
I thought Hopkins did a good job with his character, but it wasn't what I had
in mind from the books.  Then I rented Manhunter and got that spooky feeling
you get when the character on the screen is EXACTLY like the character you had
in mind while reading the book.  Very understated, very arrogant, not really
physically compelling.  It was chilling.

FWIW, I thought the book Red Dragon was better than SotL (Will Graham was the
most fascinating protagonist I've seen in a long time).  As a movie, Manhunter
was better than SotL (only if you like Michael Mann's cold, white universe,
though).  As a *photoplay* of the book, SotL was straight down the line
(compared to Manhunter, which was a *movie* based on characters from the book
Red Dragon).
-------------------------------
Brent Hutto
hutto@smtc00.engr.scarolina.edu
From: ddrumm@amiganet.chi.il.us (Daniel Drumm)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Iron Butterfly: Innagaddavida (sp?)
Date: 4 Apr 92 21:19:59 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

Yvette Davison:
 
The film was Manhunter, with Bill Peterson and Joan Allen. Friends from the
local Chicago theater scene.
Xref: sparky rec.arts.movies:13298 bit.listserv.cinema-l:2916
From: ma183sbs@sdcc4.ucsd.edu (Edwin Nomura)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,bit.listserv.cinema-l
Subject: Cape Fear (1991) question about actress
Keywords: who?
Date: 8 Apr 92 06:32:34 GMT
Followup-To: poster


Can someone please tell me who played the clerk who got beaten
by Max Cady (De Niro) in Cape Fear?  She looks real familiar but I
can't place her.  Thanks.

ed


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From: conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Beauty and the Beast Flames
Keywords: author=K.Johnson
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:35:54 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1467@celia.UUCP> celia!neil@usc.edu (Neil Richmond) writes:

>In our last discussion, someone sugessted that I was wrong that the prince
>was not a child when the curse was cast upon him, but that time had stopped
>while the castle was under the curse. That had me for a while, until I
>thought of the rose and the nature of the curse. He had to find someone to
>fall in love with before his 21st birthday. How could he ever reach his 21st
>birthday if time had stopped? I maintain that an 11 year old child knows
>very little of love. 

Here's an alternative explanation.  The "for 10 long years" business
need not necessarily apply to the duration of the curse.  We know that
the Prince was surly and inhospitable.  Maybe the servants had had no
opportunity to "show off" for a guest in that time, but the curse took
effect only 5 or 6 years ago when he offended the enchantress.  His
personality problems were in place before the enchantment was.

Jon Alan Conrad
From: leeman@daimi.aau.dk (Steen Lehmann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Predator II Question
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:18:04 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark

birch@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Steve Birch CSD) writes:


> Forgive me if this question has been asked before but....

> At the end of Predator II, the alien leader tosses a gun to our hero then
> says something to him.
> 
> Question: there was an inscription on the gun..what did it say??
> Question: what did the evil dude say??

> We must have rewound the tape 10 times trying to figure this out.

> Thanks
>-- 
>Steven Birch
>University of New Brunswick
>Fredericton N.B. Canada
>Internet: BIRCH@UNB.CA

I don't remember the exact inscription on the gun, but I think it was
a name and then a year in the 18th century, the point being that they
have been to Earth before and taken pretty good care of someone.

Doesn't the Alien say something like, "see you again" or something?
(it certainly wasn't "I'll be back" :-)



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From: hainer+@pitt.edu (Jon M Hainer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Plug Pulled on Spike Lee's "Malcolm X"
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:19:36 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr13.192707.18090@linus.mitre.org> jon@cyclone.MITRE.org (J. E. Shum) writes:
>
>In article <1992Apr11.152001.4184@panix.com>, tkelsey@panix.com (Tom Kelsey) writes:
>> My feeling is that if he is 'going to the mat' for all this 'artistic'
>> integrity he's nuts.  Its a film I feel no one wants to see any way..
>> The 'whites' will stay away in DROVES...  
>
>NOT THIS 'WHITE'!
>
>I think you are mistaken in your belief (as stated above) that "no one
>wants to see" it.  Lee's movies have been very popular with a wide,
>varied audience ever since _Do The Right Thing_  even though Hollywood
>hasn't seen fit to properly recognise his achievements.

I would tend to agree.  Lee's three most recent movies have a
multi-racial backing, much better than "New Jack City" and some other
primarily African American created movies.  The whites who wouldn't
see "Malcom X", would be the same whites who didn't see "Do The Right
Thing", "Mo' Better Blues", and "Jungle Fever".  All of these were
rahter successful movies ($40 - 50 million?  Don't flame me if I'm
wrong.)

The argument is over the length of the movie, for two reasons.  Two
hour movies tend to start at five, seven and nine o'clock.  Three hour
movies tend to start at five and eight o'clock.  Most movies are two
hours, thus most people line up at the multiplex theatre at seven and
nine o'clock.  I think a lot of people, me included, often just show
up at a large theatre at these times "wanting to see a movie" and make
the decision what to see once they're there.  If the movie doesn't
start for an hour, or I've already missed an hour, I probably won't
go.  Thus only people who are there especially to see "Malcom X" would
see it.

Secondly, there is the myth that people don't like to sit through
three hour movies.  They get bored.  Just ask anyone who's seen
"Lawrence of Arabia", "Once Upon a Time in America" or "Dances with
Wolves". |-)

I give more credence to the first reason than the second.  I also
would give Lee the three hours, because I respect him as a director,
and in the long run he's going to make a movie company a hell of a lot
of money.

Jon Hainer
University of Pittsburgh
hainer@vms.cis.pitt.edu
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From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: I've got JUNGLE FEVER...She's got JUNGLE FEVER...
Keywords: We're in love...
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 05:29:45 GMT

In <1992Apr8.190542.17000@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> sws8n@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Stefan William Sittig) writes:
>                                            In the part of the script dealing
>with the drug abuse, the scene in the crack house was classic and necessary.
>I was soo happy that Lee showed the WASP what is really going on in America
>today and needs to be stopped and remedied.  The scenes between the addict brother and his family were also good.

Not having seen this film yet, I'm curious what the gist was, and
what you suggest be done to stop and remedy this problem.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
  She says my work is like eating cold oatmeal, day after day, and she's right
Organization: Masters student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:19:13 -0400 
From: Sandy Bodzin <sb5i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: PLEASE STOP WITH THE VANITY

In a previous post I wrote:

>My housemate and I have a bet.  He claims that Prince's ex, Vanity, has
>never appeared in a broadly released movie while I claim that she has. 
>However, I couldn't remember the movie.  Can anyone help.  Please email
>as I am not a regular reader of this bboard.
 
>Sandy


You guys are amazing!  I asked my question and got more than 20
responses.  Thanks for the answers.  Please stop the deluge.  

Just amazing....

Yours,

Sandy
From: captiveall@mscf.med.upenn.edu (Mr. 14's Ubiquitous Drama)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: naked ellen barkin (was Re: Eroticism without nudity)
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:13:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: mscf.1992Apr13.151324.1
Organization: Univ. of Penn.

In article <1992Apr9.173822.18985@iWarp.intel.com>, Randal L. Schwartz writes:

> And, according to "The Bare Facts Guide", Ellen used a body double for
> the scenes in "Sea of Love".  I don't remember what it said about "The
> Big Easy".  She *did* appear naked in Siesta, if it really matters.

which begs the obvious question, why would an actor/actress use a body
double in one movie, yet be willing to "bare all" in another?  does it
have to do with "degrees" of nudity? ("i'll do that, but i most
definitely won't do *that*!).


mr. 14
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From: schuster@panix.com (Michael Schuster)
Subject: Re: Buckaroo Banzai (was Darkman - Crap)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:07:52 GMT
Organization: PANIX - Public Access Unix Systems of NY

In article <1992Apr15.162028.22385@acuson.com> mack@acuson.com (David Mack) writes:
>orson@bluemoon.rn.com (Craig Smith) writes:
>
>On another topic, I read about halfway through
>the book and it wasn't funny at all.  It seems to take the whole thing too
>seriously, which is a major mistake.  I guess I should admit that a fair amount
>of lubrication increases the enjoyment of BB considerably.  You could probably
>say that about most cult movies.

I read all the way through the book, and pretty much agree. It is all too
self-important and takes itself much too seriously. However, it is essential
reading for understanding much of what is going on, and the 'in' jokes,
in the film. 


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From: fox@cs.nyu.edu (David Fox)
Subject: Re: who starred in 'rabid'
Organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:10:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.2542.1098@dosgate> "steve ginter" <steve.ginter@canrem.com> writes:

   JM>     A friend of mine is trying to remember the name of the star of a
     >movie she saw (a very bad one she also comments) called 'Rabid'. She
     >believes she has done some X-rated movies as well. 'Rabid' doesn't
     >appear to be listed in the actresses list, so I can't find her there.

   It was Marilyn Chambers and it was [a] VERY BAD movie!

   -Steve

"Rabid" is not one of my favorites, but it deserves better
than this.  By the way, the director is David Cronenberg.

-david
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From: jxxl@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Lets clear this T 101/800 thing up.
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:17:49 GMT
Reply-To: jxxl@cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke)
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA

u906789@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Mark Julian Turner) writes:

> >>Arnie is a Cyberdyne systems 800 series model 101.

Okay. Here's the skinny on Terminator III. Arnie will have to fend
off personal attacks from a Cyberdyne systems 800 series model 426-1112.
Watch out for it.

John
From: cotsonas@uci.edu (Bruce Cotsonas)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: WHITE MEN CAN'T JUMP
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:15:30 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

Greg Bole's response to my reaction to Mark Leeper's review points out 
just how subjective evaluations of films, books, paintings, etc., are.  
The logical flaws seemed to bother both of them, and I took the logical 
flaws to be intentionally funny.  

A case in point, the whole "Jeopardy" subplot.  Rosie Perez's character is 
seen memorizing trivia throughout the film because she believes it is her 
'destiny' to perform triumphantly on "Jeopardy".  She gets on the show 
because a parking lot security guard owes someone a favor.  She is 
introduced as a former-Disco Queen and competes againts a college 
professor and a rocket scientist!  The categories for this competion are 
exactly the ones she has worked on!  Is this realistic?  No.  It is a 
comedy film.

There is no resolution to this "problem" of perception.  I'm not saying I am 
right.  What I meant to say was I hope people don't stay away because 
Mark (or Greg, or Siskel & Ebert), don't like it.  If you think you might 
like this film, or any other, go to a matinee and take a chance.


Bruce
cotsonas@uci.edu  
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From: dledelen@wheaton.edu (Daniel Lane Edelen)
Subject: Scenes in ads, but not in film (was Re: Wayne's World Question)
Organization: Wheaton College
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1992 16:29:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr02.032816.92602@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> bpd0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BRIAN PATRICK DILKS) writes:
>[...] Does anybody know any thing else about any other mystery scenes?
>
> Brian Dilks

I know that I was disappointed during my viewing of "Only the Lonely" to see
no "in the casket" scene. In trailers for the film and TV ads there was a
scene where John Candy's character is dead and is being buried. As he turns
his head he looks over to see that they had buried him with his mother in the
casket. He starts screaming.

I thought this scene was hysterical, but it did not show up in the movie.

By the way, this is an interesting thread. Let's hear some more!

Dan


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From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: SHADOWS AND FOG
Date: 08 Apr 92 19:07:43 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

Wouldn't be cinemafantastique if we could get a tenth of the
traffic that is discussing Mark Leeper's perfectly sensible
rating scale to discuss his review, or, quelle horreur!,
Woody Allen's current movie, that is the ostensible subject
of this thread?

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