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From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: Steppin' Out of Character
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:08:38 GMT

In article <MTUCKER.92Sep9101401@greyrock.greyrock.mso.colostate.edu> mtucker@greyrock.mso.colostate.edu (Michael R. Tucker) writes:
>
>I *hated* that!  It was a terrible cop-out!  I thought the writers to
>be more creative than that.  I mean, Moonlighting (sp?) did that
>stuff, and it was ok, but for some reason, it's not cool with NX.
>I don't really know why......I guess I expected more from the writers.
>Now, the show will never be the same.

But wasn't the whole episode about "characters"?  The Russian
singer with the Russian soul, Maurice as the Cold Warrior, Holling
having to do something outrageous (for him), Ed assuming Chris's
character, and, to take the theme to its extreme, Joel stepping
out of character to stop the duel?


--
"I wish I could vote for you a hundred times"
"You can . . . just kidding."
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From: drenze@icaen.uiowa.edu (Douglas J Renze)
Subject: Episode titles?
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:26:54 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

I watch NX religiously, but somehow I always manage to miss episode titles.  Is there
there anywhere (on screen) that they're listed?  Or do people getthem fgrom
TV Guide?  Or what?


-- 
| Douglas J Renze            | "Jerry [Brown] is the equivalent of a          |
| drenze@icaen.uiowa.edu     |  drive-by shooting."                           |
| drenze@chop.isca.uiowa.edu |                                                |
| drenze@aol.com             |         * NPR's Morning Edition, 13 July 1992  |


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From: tad@ssc.wa.com (Tad Cook)
Subject: Re: Cast members
Organization: very little
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 06:38:49 GMT

In article <FRANL.92Sep8204623@draco.centerline.com> franl@centerline.com (Fran Litterio) writes:

>> Ruth-Anne                Peg Phillips
>
>Trivia: Peg Phillips lives a short drive away from the town of Roslyn
>(where the outside shots are done).

No, she lives in Woodinville, WA.  This is just east of Seattle, and
northeast of Redmond where the interiors are shot.

>
>> Rick Pederson            Grant Goodeve
>
>Didn't he play the "older brother" character on Eight is Enough?


Who is Rick Pederson?  I can't place this character, for some
reason.
>
>
>Don't forget Adam, played by Adam Arkin (I think).  Is he any relation
>to Alan Arkin?  They kind of look alike.  And where else have I seen
>him? 

He is Alan Arkin's son.

>
>Can anyone summarize Janine Turner's appearance on the Tonight Show
>last week?  I missed it.

Don't remember much, except she loves doing the show and loves
the northwest.  She said she just bought a house in Seattle.  She
also said that she just did a movie in Italy and that a lot of
American tourists recognized her from the show.


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From: dinhyen@nevada.edu (DINH-YEN TRAN)
Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 05:34:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.012238.15277@reed.edu> ehudon@reed.edu (Elizabeth Hudon) writes:
>Why do you (plural) love the show? or, Are you drawn to the show because
>of a particular character or set of characters?
>
>Curious,
>
>Elizabeth (ehudon@reed.edu)

Hi Elizabeth,
	Well, I like the show because of its offbeat quality.  It makes you 
laugh in a subtle way, unlike most of the shows on network TV now.  It is 
outrageously hilarious sometimes, but it is so in an original, unpredictable,
creative way.  Yeah, the characters are likeable too; they are intelligent
and intriguing, not ridiculous.
BT my favorite episodes are the one in which Chris supposedly emits a
pheromone that attracts females, the one in which Rick comes back as a dog,
and the one in which Maggie falls for Arthur, who turns out to be a grizzly
(or so I thought).  Let me know what yours (plural) are.

Dinh-Yen Tran
redrock.nevada.edu
"It's immoral, shameless," Joel
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Sunday, 6 Sep 1992 21:52:24 EDT
From: <IO20444@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
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Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
Distribution: usa
 <1992Sep6.202122.7408@athena.cs.uga.edu>

My favorite characters?  Give me Chris and Holling any day over Shelley
and Maurice.  Some may think that Chris is too normal to be on this show,
but any radio announcer who always plays instrumentals and quotes from
dead poets every day has got to be strange.  Shelley is a ditz, and
Holling is annoyed at her about half the time.  (Anyone remember the
"cute" little puppet show she did for him?  Could you die?)
Of course, Joel makes the show.  Without him, there wouldn't be anyone
who didn't love Cecily the way it was, and that would be too unreal. (if
there is such a thing.)
Feel free to disagree.
------DAPHNE BRINKERHOFF------
-----I TURNED MY LIFE AROUND AND NOW I'M BACK WHERE I STARTED!..ANON-----
------THE OPINIONS EXPRESSED HEREIN ARE ALMOST DEFINITELY NOT THOSE OF THE
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From: puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett)
Subject: Who's got the tapes?
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:11:44 GMT


I just got into the show last fall.

Is there any way that I can buy/beg/etc videotaped episodes?

Is this legal? If it is, perhaps we could start a 'traveling tape library'
so we _all_ could get every episode...

just an idea,
jim p.

-- 
Jim Puckett    NTI    puckett@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov     
Huntsville,AL (205)461-4922  
i need to ask myself.....
***********         Would I rather be right, or happy?         ***********
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From: tad@ssc.wa.com (Tad Cook)
Subject: Re: Think about it...
Organization: very little
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 06:28:38 GMT

In article <7SEP199209332812@bestsd.sdsu.edu> bestr1070@bestsd.sdsu.edu (Alena) writes:
>Here is something for you to chew on....
>
>Ed and..........Shelly!
>
>Whatcha think?  I think it could work.
>


I was thinking maybe Chris & Shelly.

Speaking of Shelly, has anyone seen Cynthia Geary (I think that is the
name of the actress who plays Shelly) in any movies or other TV shows?



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From: kaveh@ms.uky.edu (Kaveh Baharestan)
Subject: Re: It on during football
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:46:42 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

mpk9716@rigel.tamu.edu (Health Man) writes:

>	I love NE and so does my wife.  But monday night football is still on
>when it airs at 9:00 PM here in Texas.  She wants to watch NE while I like
>football (just a little better).  We record NE on the VCR but seldom get
>time to view it and the tape eventually get erased.  Put this show on
>another night so I can watch real TV and not those silly sit-coms.



>I love it but----my football is a must!

I cannot understand this.  How could anyone choose something as mindless
as watching football over Northern Exposure.  What kind of Kreaton are
you!!!!!!

I guess some people are not even remotely like me.
What a revolation ;->

PS. Don't torture your wife, get a second TV before the new season starts!
-- 
/-  Kaveh Baharestan                               -==================|>=====o\
|"Though your lips are tempting, They're the wrong lips, They're not her lips |
| but they're such tempting lips That if some night you're free, Dear...      |
\______________________________________ -Cole Porter__________________________/
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From: alexho@microsoft.com (Alex Howerton)
Subject: Re: Steppin' Out of Character
Date: 09 Sep 92 17:48:45 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <5-rnvkl.dslee@netcom.com> dslee@netcom.com (Donna S. Lee) writes:
>sklar@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Dave Sklar) writes:
>
>
>>withou resorting to something so cheesy.
>pertinent question:  When did this show originally air?
>when NorEx was first shown and its various statuses throughout
>the years (summer replacement, etc.). Any show historians out
>there are invited to clue me in!
I've watched the show from the first episode. It had a six-show summer fill-in
run in '90. It went on hiatus until Feb of '91, then started a "regular"
season in '91-92. I gues the new season is technically the "fourth" year.


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From: emcphers@mik.uky.edu (Frank McPherson)
Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:36:55 GMT
Distribution: usa

In <1992Sep7.021049.740@reed.edu> ehudon@reed.edu (Elizabeth Hudon) writes:

>I believe he's necessary and just as quirky as the rest of them. Yes, he
>muses in the same way that pretentious college folk do, but there's an
>important distiction. Chris muses in the course of everyday life, whereas
>college-age intellectual poseurs muse outside the realm of mundane
>existence (and usually for the purpose of one-upping someone nearby).
I would tend to agree with you here.  For him, it's not really a pastime,
it's a lifestyle.  It may not seem like much of a difference, but the 
difference between poseurs and the Real Thing is never all that great,
anyway.

>One of my favorite things about the show is how the characters
>integrate an odd intellectualism with their small-town, almost
>wilderness existence. (Hopefully this makes sense. :) )
	This is also true.  I LOVE the chess game on the episode which
played last night.  Everyone in town was sitting in the audience.  People
who aren't normally very intellectual were questioning moves and offering
their own alternatives.  Not a very long scene, but it's a pretty good
example of what you're talking about.  
 


>Elizabeth 
--
- Frank McPherson                emcphers@manu.cs.vt.edu
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From: jaguar@netcom.com (Ophelia)
Subject: Re: re. Best Episode
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 07:58:25 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

But of course THE BEST episode is the one where Joel's twin brother
changes places with him.  Every moment of the episode was a laugh!

-- 

*jaguar woman*				near wild heaven,
[jaguar@netcom.com]			not near enough
[jaguar@ardath.slisp.cs.cmu.edu]
From: aja+@pitt.edu (Dan E Steele)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Best Episode
Keywords: life, flinging, cow, piano
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:23:21 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Sep08.225203.4479@ssc.wa.com> tad@ssc.wa.com (Tad Cook) writes:
>In article <Bu8vBu.Fqv@news.udel.edu> dmccoy@brahms.udel.edu (Don McCoy) writes:
>>
>>	One more thing (all philosophy aside):  I *loved* watching
>>that piano fly!  How often do you see something like that, even on
>>cable?

    Ya know... in all this talk about the flying piano show I have 
    failed to read anyone mention one thing that I thought was odd.

    It was a very brief shot, from inside the KBHR station (looking out
    the main window. Chris, dirty from his work, was draging a very heavy
    piece of wood (I think it was a T frame) down main street. His hair
    was down in a tangled mees and he was dragging (the apprently heavy)
    wood frame by himself over his sholder. He was led and followed by a
    pack of laugfing children and at least one barking dog. He looked
    very serious, and the kids were making fun of him.


    Now...it might just be me...but I thought it was a very subtle, but
    very affective Crist refrence. 



    See the glory of
    Of the Royal Scam.


    DES
From: mueller@aludra.usc.edu (Stephen Mueller)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Joel/Maggie question
Date: 6 Sep 1992 19:59:32 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


I was wondering what everyone thought about the episode(s) in which
Joel and Maggie share the hotel room, Maggie gets drunk and passes
out before they finally sleep together, and then both lie and argue.

Is Maggie entirely to blame? I wasn't really siding with either
(since they both lied) until Maggie left Joel on the couch.

Are there any women (or men) who actually feel that Maggie acted
anything but cruely? 

Excuse me if my query is not on quite as high an echelon as the
previous intellectual discussions. It just makes me wonder how
much of my love for the show is due to Joel and Maggie's sexual
tension (and it's awaited release) versus all the other
great characters on the show.

By the way this newsgroup is a great idea, Chris does ramble a bit
too much sometimes, Marilyn is a trip, and personally I hope they 
avoid animal reincarnation episodes in the future.

- Stephen

P.S. I haven't seen Fried Green Tomatoes but I loved the historical
episode.
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From: zippy@cs.mcgill.ca (Fotis XIPOLITAKIS)
Subject: Re: Where are the children??
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:39:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.124014.3916@infonode.ingr.com> stevenst@iaserv.b1.ingr.com (Todd Stevens) writes:
>I believe the show could prosper with the inclusion of some children.  Maybe
>Adam and Eve will provide this to some extent (what a parental couple!!!).
>What do you think?
>
>Todd Stevens
>stevenst@iaserv.b1.ingr.com
>
	You brought up an intresting question... I'm not really a big
	fan of child actors in this genre of film though... They have a
	habit of stealing scenes with their cutness and really force teh
	writers to cut up the plot to include them.

	I also don't like alot of the children characters on TV. They
	are usually way above avergae and have a higher IQ than most
	under grads I know...
From: ranck@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: changing the world
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:51:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Leila J Johannesen (ljohanne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: While I'm babbling, I wanted to express my opinion that it bugs me
: a little bit that film or tv doesn't highlight `tough, independent women'
: often unless they're lesbians. I like the NE as is, but I lament
: what appears to me a general problem in the entertainment media, and
: our society that straight women are often not cast in roles of
: `rugged, individualistic achievers' and `heroes.'

Uh, what about Ruth-Ann?  Or, Marilyn for that matter?

--

*******************************************************************************
* Bill Ranck     DoD #496  ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu                            *
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From: churley@warren.med.harvard.edu (Carol Hurley)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:11:44 GMT
Followup-To: alt.tv.northern-exp
Organization: Harvard Medical School

In article <Sep07.204137.68288@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>,
mm459504@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Michael Miller) wrote:
> 
> In article <7SEP199211453385@zeus.tamu.edu> wkl5819@zeus.tamu.edu (LEVERICH, WILLIAM KENT) writes:
> >It would be a mistake if Joel and Maggie ever did sleep together.  I think
> >their love/hate relationship is what makes the show work.
> >
This love/hate thing ruining shows seems to only be true in prime time
shows.  On the soaps they do it all the time.  The audience likes a couple
together so the writers oblige.  When interest seemes to wane on that
couple they write the couple apart and the show moves on.  Think about it,
does anyone actually know how many times All My Children's character Erica
Kane and been paired up with some one?  

I'd vote to see them together eventually and making it work.(at least for a
while).
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Carol Hurley
churley@warren.med.harvard.edu

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: nancyo@fraser.sfu.ca (Nancy Patricia O'Connor)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:46:16 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

dslee@netcom.com (Donna S. Lee) writes:

>I can't imagine that I would have acted quite the way Maggie did
>at discovering Joel and she didn't "do it," but at the same time
>I don't think the issue of date rape is quite as pertinent here
>as some have made it out to be. What was key to me is that Maggie
>said at the time (right before she fell asleep) that she wanted
>to have sex with Joel. That's enough for rape to be a non-issue
>in my mind at least. She brought up the matter of her consent
>after, during her confrontation with Joel, as well. She did say
>she wanted to do it, and then accepted the responsibility for
>having given assent by assuming they had had sex, and even
>though she didn't remember the big event, not complaining.

Something to keep in mind, however, is that even though a
person consents at 10:00, if said person changes her/his mind
at 10:05 and sex occurs at 10:06, rape has occurred.  Consent
cannot be given *nor* taken away while a person is not conscious
(as a sleeping person is not) and therefor if Joel had proceeded
to have sex with Maggie before she had awakened, she would have
grounds for charging him with rape--although I am not completely
clear on U.S. laws.

I think Joel acted appropriately, both in consideration of Maggie, 
but also because anything else could possibly have been illegal.
That Maggie would not realise that he was acting out of respect
for her right to withdraw consent seems absurd.  That she would
have wished him to do otherwise seems masochistic.

In Canada, I believe it is also against the law to have sex
with an individual who is very intoxicated--that probably doesn't
apply here, but again, it comes down to a person's ability
to give consent.

Someone mentioned political correctness concerning what material
is on tv.  I'm not sure to what extent tv producers are responsible
for their viewers, but I wouldn't write to the show about this
and demand they censor themselves, nor would I write to the 
advertisers.  I prefer to discuss the issues in a forum like this,
and simply watch the shows I feel most comfortable watching.
I might also bring my own personal views to the writers' attentions,
but not so to harass them into towing the 'PC' line.  It seems
very unfortunate that corporate sponsers seem to have the great
influence they do over what programming is available to be viewed.
From: wynee@mustang.larc.nasa.gov (Wynee Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:57:36 GMT
	<nancyo.715896134@sfu.ca> <m-rn!5j.clark@netcom.com>
Organization: NASA/Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA


Although I thought Maggie's logic was bizarre, as far as she was concerned,
since she had consented before she fell asleep, that meant it was ok.  Granted,
why anyone would choose to have sex with someome who found them so exciting 
that they fell asleep, I don't know.
--
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From: randy@rls.UUCP (randall l. smith)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Death to Chris
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:39:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Internet

bur@ultisol.gsfc.nasa.gov (MAC) writes:
> [...] the group will cover episode guides; discussion on actors,
> books, episodes, music, quotes, scripts, videos and any NEXP related
> topics that come up. 

I for one wish the character Chris would start dating the character
Maggie O'Connell and something spectacularly fatal (typically) would
occur for the sin of dating O'Connell.  I cannot stand the character
Chris.  He is a smarmy know-it-all with more pop psuedo-intellectual
name dropping than every Woody Alan movie put together.  It wouldn't be
nearly so bad if he didn't go on and on and on and....  He quite simply
can't shut up.  The character believes he knows everything.  He may use
the words, "I don't know...", but then goes on to explain how every
culture in the universe handles the same situation.  His lack of
apparent ethics compounds his never ending holier-than-thou mantras
regarding obscure tribal sects known only to anthropologists the natives
themselves. 

As distainful as many of Maurice's attitudes and beliefs are, at least
he stands for something.  Chris's ethics swing between hedonism and
Spartanism in the course of a day.  He both respects and despises life
in the same breath.  The cow flinging episode epitomises his mindless
frivolity regarding innocent life and the hunting (with Fleshman)
episode underlines his "whatever" attitude about wanton human destruction.
He is, of course, a vegetarian and peace-nick.

Ok, so if we can't snuff Chris, at least Chris, PLEASE SHUT THE HELL UP!!

Thank you for your indulgence.  I needed to get that off my chest.
Other than Chris, I really love the show.

Cheers!

- randy

uucp: randy@rls.uucp
bang: <backbone>!osu-cis!rls!randy
inet: rls!randy@cis.ohio-state.edu
The bold print giveth and the fine print taketh away.
From: esilver@quickag.UUCP (Eric Silver)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: test
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:00:33 GMT
Organization: Eric Silver

Just a test
From: sletten@cs.wm.edu (Brian J. Sletten)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Oddz n' ens
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:10:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The College of William and Mary

The "Final Frontier" episode was the one with the box, correct?  If
so, the song at the end was "Caribbean Blue" by Enya from her
"Shepherd's Moon" album.

Has anyone heard about a connection between "Doc Hollywood" and NEXP?
Someone tried to convince me that "D.H." was supposed to be the basis
for NEXP... anyone else hear this connection?
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