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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: more @*%$ os2 problems
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 22:55:28 GMT

In article <Jan03.051937.16689@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> irakliot@lance.colostate.edu writes:
>Here we go.
>System
>Processor	i386dx25
>Memory		8 Megs
>Drives		A: 5.25 HD
>		B: 3.5 HD
>		C: 60meg ESDI adaptor
>		D: 44meg SCSI external removeable
>		E: Sound blaster MPC multimedia
>Other stuff	Sound blatser pro
>		D: drive is (oh shit!) . . . STACKED
>Problems 
>	(1) Grinding and poor performance on C: drive
>	    I got ibm5061s.add and it fixed that problem.
>	(2) Fdisk error when installing with drive D: connected
>	    Can't find country.sys when booting os2 with drive D: connected
>	    If I disconect D: drive OS/2 installs and runs fine.

What sort of SCSI adapter are you using?

>	(3) Block driver error when stacker is added to config.sys

Correct.  You need the OS/2 version of Stacker.  Contact Stac
Electronics to ask about participation in their beta program and/or
whether the product is ready yet.  Or you can use DCF/2, from
Proportional Software, another OS/2 on-the-fly disk compression
package.

You can leave your stacked drive intact, but you won't be able to read
it from within OS/2 unless you use Stacker OS/2.  (Of course, I guess
you could say it can work the other way.  OS/2 has HPFS, which DOS
can't read, because DOS doesn't understand long filenames.)

>	(4) Won't recognized multiMedia drive

Can you be more specific?  What exactly isn't it recognizing?  The
SoundBlaster?

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: samiam@netcom.com (Scott Moore)
Subject: DOS+WINNT+OS2: much ado about nothing
Summary: DOS and WINNT and OS/2 coexist without significant difficulties
Keywords: WINNT DUAL
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 05:05:06 GMT

I just got win NT running on my system, and after a few more reinstalls,
was able to get NT and os/2 2.0 to run together. It's very simple: clear
(format) your disk, install WIN NT, then install os/2 2.0 in dual boot mode.

OK, thats the short version, now the details:

WIN NT does (as advertised) refuse to run with os/2 on the system. I tried
it with os/2 in the first partition, and even in the last partition (ie,
even with a perfectly good and active C: primary partition, NT refuses to
run). Since both tries where with os/2 boot manager in a partition, I can't
tell you (nor do I care) whether it was the boot manager or Os/2 itself
that NT "objects" to.
The exact behavior is that NT outputs a message "checking existing disk"
then simply hangs up with the disk drive light on. I'll call this the
"File Transfer Check" or FTC for short ;-)
After reformatting the entire disk, NT boots just fine, with the message
"The volume is clean" :)

Now here is my setup:

I installed, in order:

1. vanilla DOS 5.0.

2. Vanilla Windows 3.1

3. Windows NT.

4. OS/2 2.0, using dual boot and FAT system.

Before installing os/2, boot back to DOS (via NT's flexboot) and make the
"shell" and "comspec" mods as described in the os/2 install manual.
When done, dual boot out of os/2. You will boot up to NT's flexboot, 
and from there can pick dos (or win 3.1) or windows NT.
A mod you might wish to make is to set the file \boot.ini to writable, 
edit it, and change the line "boot other operating system on C" to 
"boot DOS 5.0 on C:".

Also tried:

Flexboot will not boot os/2 2.0 from another partition, just as the NT
manual states. 

Can boot manager be made to work with WIN NT ?

I didn't try it, but there is a file "DOS+NT.OS2" in LIB 1 on compuserve
that explains a method whereby norton can be used to make the boot manager
acceptable to NT. Apparently it works by setting the partition type for BM
to "unused" (yes, by hiding it from NT).

AND FINALLY, TO MICROSOFT:

It's getting hard for me to beleive that you all are wronged puppys in all 
this. I'm not mad. I just don't think you realize how childish this makes
you look. :|

                                 [sam]
-- 
Scott A. Moore [SAM]  | "Cash is more 
samiam@netcom.com     | important than your 
Santa Cruz, CA USA    | mother"
408-423-1624          | Allan Shugart - CEO Segate Corp.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: duel@shell.portal.com (Omid M Farr)
Subject: OS/2 2.0 problems
Organization: Portal Communications Company
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 19:45:47 GMT

I've been using OS/2 for a couple of months now and I have yet to experience
a crash, but what I do get are a lot of hard drive errors.
If a CHKDSK /F would correct them, I wouldnt be too worried -- but it is
getting annoying to find files missing and OS/2 deleting its own files to the
point where OS/2 simply wont boot up.  (I end up reinstalling and replacing
all the lost files)

I recently purchased a new Maxtor HD (and everything works perfectly under DOS)
But if I install OS/2 and use the Dual Boot, when I come back to OS/2, I find
allocation errors, files where "access denied" (and these are regular DOS files)
or files that no longer exist, sector problems, on and on...

Usually if I correct the hard drive errors, delete all the OS/2 directories,
and re-install OS/2, everything works great until I try something foolish
such as using Dual Boot.

The HD is currently formatted as FAT.  I would like to go to HPFS but I have
everything in one large partition (660mb or so) and I have heard of problems
with HPFS & large partitions.  Is that true?  Should I just stick with FAT?
I'm willing to format to HPFS if that may correct my problems (and dump
DOS all together)

My system:
AMI 386-33 MKII  The BIOS chips are old (4/90) I guess IBM didnt take into
account the people that bought 386s < 1991 because the system locks up
whenever I use CAP LOCKS or NUM LOCKS (I'm planning to upgrade to 486 in a few
weeks so I'm not too concerned about that)
Maxtor 8760s hard drive & WD-7000 FASST2 controller -- I will eventually
replace this controller -- any recommendations on a SCSI controller?
8 megs RAM and all that good stuff

Oh yeah.. OS/2 v2.0 R2000

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.os.msdos.misc
From: las@camaro.uucp (Laszlo Herczeg)
Subject: Re: Question about Parallel Port, please read
Organization: camaro
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:21:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.195408.18942@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>In <4825@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us> nording@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us writes:
>
>
>
>>I really don't pay that much attention to the printer interrupt (IRQ7).
>>I even have another device using it.  It only would make sense with 
>>memory-resident print programs (DOS print, background printing features,
>>etc.).  It's different with COM ports.  Also, IRQ2 may have special uses, 
>
>IRQ2 is the cascade interrupt for the first controller.  It will
>automatically be remapped to IRQ9 (which is unused) by the
>controllers. 
>
>>IRQ6 is for floppy-disk drives, and IRQ5 is for hard drives.  
>
>No, IRQ5 is the interrupt for LPT2:
>
>>Re-assignment
>>of these interrups ... well... I couldn't recommend it !!!
>
>I suggest you investigate more fully.  My machine at home is currently
>configured as follows (using 2 I/O boards):
>
>	COM1 - IRQ4	Serial Mouse
>	COM2 - IRQ3	Modem (16550AFN UART)
>	COM3 - IRQ2	Modem (16550AFN UART)
>	COM4 - IRQ5	Unused (but I've had a modem there, it works)
>	LPT1 - IRQ7	Laser printer
>	LPT2 - IRQ5	Unused (once used to link two machines, it works)
>
>Everything works fine.  I not only RECOMMEND doing this; it is the only
>way (other than multi-port boards with special drivers) to have more
>than 2 usable COM ports that will work at the same time.
>
>-- 
>"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
> in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.


I am interested in the parallel port being used to link two machines through
IRQ5. Can you tell about this program you had?
Thanks in advance!
Laszlo

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jlloyd@adapcal.UUCP (John Lloyd)
Subject: Re: (Q) driver for 20M floptical on SCSI
Organization: Adaptec Inc., California
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 16:25:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.225208.24341@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.081655.1703@cltr.uq.OZ.AU> vthrc@mailbox.uq.oz.au writes:
>>perhaps somebody might be able to answer a simple question that our dealer
>>doesn't seem able to: is there an OS/2 driver for an Insite 20M floptical
>>drive? We are currently running one under DOS with a Grassroots SCSI adaptor,
>
>You'd need a SCSI adapter natively supported by OS/2 (like Adaptec,
>Trantor, Future Domain, etc).  If so, it should work.
>
> 
Unfortunately there is NOT any true support for floptical drives at this
point. In order to write to one a vendor specific command is required to
"unlock" the media. This would probably best be handled at a level above
the ADD (i.e. OS2DASD.DMD or a filter) so that all types of valid media
would function correctly. Perhaps this will be added in the future to
OS2DASD by IBM or Insite could write the filter to handle their specific
drive.

jlloyd@adapcal.com

>Timothy F. Sipples      | Read the OS/2 FAQ List 2.0h, available from
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From: mikel@kdrealm.linet.org (Mikel Beck)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: seemless window support
Date: 3 Jan 93 01:23:18 GMT
Organization: King Diamond's Realm

sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes in article <1993Jan1.212508.20882@midway.uchicago.edu>:

> The Service Pak provides seamless Win-OS/2 support for Tseng
> 4000-based SuperVGA adapters.  The OS/2 2.1 beta extends that support
> to numerous other SuperVGA adapters.

        Which are the other "numerous other" supported adapters?

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+   Mikel Beck                               King Diamond's Realm     +
+   King Diamond's Realm             Coram, Long Island, New York     +
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Bernoulli drives that work with OS/2
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 23:21:07 GMT

In article <1i570kINNkcp@access.usask.ca> friesend@jester.usask.ca (Darryl Friesen) writes:
>Hi all.  I've got a question about bernoulli drives that I hope 
>someone can answer.  I'm a little low on HD space, so I've been 
>thinking about putting a second one in my machine.  Some of the 
>guys at work suggested I look into bernoulli drives instead.  
>What I was thinking then was having a cartridge for each OS 
>(ie. one for OS/2 and one for DOS) and configuring the bernoulli 
>drive as the boot device.  Is this possible and do bernoulli
>drives have a fast enough access time to make this feasible for 
>OS/2?  

Having OS/2 itself on the Bernoulli is not currently supported, but
you can certainly put programs and data there.  Contact IOMega for
details on their OS/2 driver.

>Alternatively I could place either DOS or OS/2 on a cartridge 
>(with the other installed on the HD) and use Boot Manager to boot 
>DOS (say, on the HD) or OS/2 (installed on a bernoulli cartridge)
>Any suggestions/criticisms on this idea?  

No, I would suggest leaving both DOS and OS/2 on the hard drive (using
Boot Manager), and keeping applications and/or data on your
Bernoullis.  The operating system(s) you're going to use a lot.  Each
application, perhaps not as often.  You can put the most used
applications/data on the hard disk, of course.

>Lastly, are all bernoulli's created equal?  The only one I've seen
>an add for is Iomega.  Who else makes bernoulli drives and are some
>better for OS/2 (ie. are there some that will NOT work with OS/2 or
>are there some that work better than others).

Iomega's Bernoulli drives are the ones you'll want for OS/2.  They
explicitly support OS/2, and they provide drivers.

There are other removeable media drives out there, most of which work
reasonably well when you have a natively supported SCSI adapter
(Adaptec, Future Domain, BusLogic, Mylex, DPT, Trantor, etc).
However, Bernoulli seems to provide the best OS/2 support at present.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: hildajk1@netnews.jhuapl.edu (Ken Hildabolt)
Subject: Re: Trident C3.01 and 32-bit drivers.....
Organization: JHU/Applied Physics Laboratory
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 15:47:26 GMT

Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:

>I just installed a Trident 8900c with 1 meg on it into my work machine. I
>installed the 32-bit drivers for OS/2.......and my screen went blank on
>re-boot.
> 
>At home, my Trident 8900c has a C3.0 BIOS. This one has a C3.01 BIOS. My home
>monitor is a Philips 7CM3209. The work monitor is a Philips 3CM9809. It may be
>that my monitor is basic VGA only......I hope not. 
> 
>Has anyone else had trouble with the C3.01 BIOS?
> 
>Thanks
> 
>Steve

>-- 
>Steve Withers - Wellington, New Zealand | On Sept. 19th, 88% of NZ voters opted
>Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz         | for proportional representation. It
>+64 4 478 4714                          | looks like we may get a more  
>**** Happy user of OS/2 v2!! ****       | democratic system "real soon now".
Steve,

I have experience with three machines using a Trident and C3.01 Bios.
First is mine, using a Zenith ZCM-1492 monitor, 640x480x256c no problem.
Second is a friend using a Sony-1304, worked in 640x480x256c and 1024x
768x256c, but at 800x600x256c had problems with vertical height, desk-
top was ok in height, but OS/2 and DOS full screen were short, and any
program run in DOS was short.
Third, at work using a NEC 3FGx, works great in all three resolutions.

Ken

-- 
Ken Hildabolt
The Johns Hopkins University / Applied Physics Laboratory
hildajk1@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu      CIS: 70674,1657

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: berger@gauss (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.1 beta to be released 12-28 to EVERYONE!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 23:09:02 GMT

reisert@sttng.mlo.dec.com (Jim Reisert) writes:
>I just called the order desk, and they said the beta code is only
>available on CD-ROM.  How can I get the floppies?
*----
The floppy images are on the 
CD-ROM.
--
	Mike Berger
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Trident 32 bit 1024x768x256 slower than 16 color 16 bit
Date: 3 Jan 93 22:17:57 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <726023519snx@kdrealm.linet.org> mikel@kdrealm.linet.org (Mikel Beck) writes:
>> first.  (Yes, we all know it imposes a significant speed penalty in
>> text windows, although there are some steps that can be taken to
>> alleviate the problem.)
>        Such as? I've got an ATI VGAWONDER XL24, using Joel's 800x600x16
>        drivers, since the 32-bit ( 800x600x256 ) drivers are MUCH too
>        slow in text windows.
>        What can be done to speed this up?

For DOS windows, many people have reported that setting
VIDEO_ROM_EMULATION off speeds up scrolling quite a bit.

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Xref: sparky comp.os.os2.misc:40687 comp.os.os2.programmer:7252 misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone:2240
From: joker@diku.dk (Morten Christian Holmgreen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.programmer,misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone
Subject: Re: FOR SALE: IBM OS/2 November DAP CD-ROM
Date: 31 Dec 92 00:51:29 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

calica@cae.wisc.edu (Carlo James Calica) writes:

>In article <1hqtu0INN3cj@uwm.edu> tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mike Kretzer) writes:
>>IBM just messed up a recent order I made for the November Developer's
>>Assistance Program CD-ROM and sent me two extra copies.  Instead of going 
>>through the bother of sending them back, I decided to see if anyone was
>>interested in buying them from me (especially the folks outside of the USA
>>where I hear these CD-ROMs are hard to find).
>>
>>I'm asking $25.00US for each (shipping incl.).  Send email to 
>>tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu if you are interested...
>>

>I'm Sorry but $25 is WAY WAY to much.  You can get the same thing from IBM for
>$15 with shipping.  Actually the $15 is the shipping.  Order it today and
>they'll send it second day air Federal Express.  Sorry to flame you but.....

That's fine and dandy - however as the man says he'd like to sell to someone
outside the US, where I from personal experienc can say, that it's IMPOSSIBLE
to get a hold of - so just turn that flame down, since we CAN'T call the 1-800
number, okay...

Christian
-- 
M. Christian Holmgreen / joker@diku.dk / mochmch@uts.uni-c.dk
M.Sc. student, University of Copenhagen, Dept. of Computer Science
"Human errors can only be avoided if one can avoid the use of humans"
From: skagos@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (P. Takis Skagos)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: OS/2 Icon problem.  UGH!!!  Information wanted ...
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:55:29 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, SK, Canada

I recently re-installed OS/2 and the Service Pack and I am experiencing a
bloody annoying problem.  I've created a shadow of one of the PROMPT icons
and then I went into SETTINGS and created another, customized, icon for 
it because the default icon looks pretty ugly.  Creating the new icon
works nicely (I save it as wp!1.ico), and it even alters the apperance of the
shadow and original, but when I double-click on the icon to open, say, a
windowed command prompt, and then minimize that windowed session, it doesn't
use my new icon ... it uses the default OS/2 icon.  Before I re-installed
OS/2 and the SP, everything worked fine ... my icon was used all the time,
not the OS/2 default.

Any information on what's going wrong would be *greatly* appreciated.
Thanks!

  P. Takis Skagos
  (skagos@cs.uregina.ca)
From: rem5156@zeus.tamu.edu (The Doctor)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: CD ROM drivers for Tandy CDR-1000, know of any?
Date: 29 Dec 1992 18:20 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Some has offered to purchase a CD ROM drive for me (which is on sale), and I
was wondering if it is compatible (or can be made so) with OS/2 2.0?


Thanks,

Reid E. Miller          -----=== Ipsa Scientia Potentas Est ===-----

DECnet (THEnet)   ==> ZEUS::REM5156
BITnet            ==> REM5156@TAMZEUS
INTERnet          ==> REM5156@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: berger@gauss (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.1 beta to be released 12-28 to EVERYONE!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 23:11:34 GMT

des@inmos.co.uk (David Shepherd) writes:
>Gregory Youngblood (tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com) wrote:
>: rvaniwaa@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Ronald J. Vaniwaarden) writes:

>: I HOPE the 2.1 BETA will be available in 3.5 inch images because I don't have
>: a CD ROM yet.  All these new things are great but I can't get it because I
>: dont have a CD ROM?  
>: IBM is going disillusion more people with OS/2 if they only make this on CD
>: ROM.

>the key word here is "beta". IBM seem to be following microsofts lead
>in producing beta releases on CD. why? because (i) they want to be able
>to get out betas quickly and cheaply and i'm sure that a run of a
>couple of thousand cds is cheaper and quicker to produce and distribute
*----
As a matter of fact, 10,000 copies of the October beta release were
made available for free on floppy disk.  I understand they were gone
the first day they were offered.  
$ 15 for the CD is very reasonable.  I'm sure you can find somebody
to make disk images for you for a nominal fee.
--
	Mike Berger
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
From: joker@diku.dk (Morten Christian Holmgreen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: 1280x1024 in 256 colors under OS/2 (Any Suggestions)
Date: 3 Jan 93 02:05:06 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

ak@ananke.stgt.sub.org (Andreas Kaiser) writes:


>In article <6322svh@rpi.edu> schimken@colossus.cs.rpi.edu writes:

>  > The stuff that comes with IBM's XGA-2 says the card will do 1280x1024
>  > interlaced at a frame rate of 50 Hz and a line rate of 53.4 KHz.

>But the same stuff tells, there is no OS/2 support for 1280x1024.

>		Gruss, Andreas

>:::::::::::::::::::: subnet:  ak@ananke.stgt.sub.org
>:: Andreas Kaiser :: fidonet: 2:241/7220.9
>::::::::::::::::::::

Well, "the same stuff" is WRONG. I've installed my XGA-2 about a month
ago and had the same problem, but I found the solution by accident.

If you've already installed the SP when you install the XGA-2 card, 
reinstall the display drivers. Some of the MONxxxx.DGS in the
XGA$DMQS directory are different, allowing 1280x1024 50 Hz. Just
reinstall the display drivers from the Service Pack and DIFINST will
give you this option:

16" 325x244mm 50Hz 1280x1024; 75, 44Hz 1024x768; 60, 75Hz 800x600;
75Hz 640x480

Just choose this and reboot - voila there it is. Just make damn sure
that your monitor is up to this, otherwise you might damage it...

If you have problems, just email me, since I've already been through
the stuff...

Enjoy,

Christian
-- 
M. Christian Holmgreen / joker@diku.dk / mochmch@uts.uni-c.dk
M.Sc. student, University of Copenhagen, Dept. of Computer Science
"Human errors can only be avoided if one can avoid the use of humans"
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc