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From: curry@tc.fluke.COM (John Curry)
Subject: Re: Sickness and Meditation/Retreats
Reply-To: curry@tc.fluke.COM (John Curry)
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:47:23 GMT

In <1992Sep11.155748.16087@tc.fluke.COM> emery@tc.fluke.COM (John Emery) writes:

>In article <1992Sep8.200335.23512@cco.caltech.edu> tt@wag.caltech.edu (Toshi Takeuchi) writes:
>>I was talking (over the net) to a friend of mine, and she said that
>>she, too, gets some wierd symptoms/sicknesses right before a long
>>retreat with her teacher.
>>
>>I'm assuming that we aren't the only ones who get sick before weekend
>>retreats etc...
>>
>>	Why is it that these illnesses occur before and during
>>	these retreats?
>>
>>To tell you a little about what happens to me, I get hemorrhoids and 
>>occasionally other stomach illnesses about a week before I'm 
>>going to leave.
>>
>>	Any of you guys have some theories about this occurence?
>>	Anyone else have such experiences?
>>
>>Toshi
>>tt@wag.caltech.edu

I've noticed the same type of behavior (both in myself and others) 
before going on any type of vacation. The best that I can figure is 
that we spend a lot of time and energy suppressing feelings and 
thoughts during our normal (??) day-to-day living. When we finally
give our body a chance to relax (retreats, vacations) all of the 
suppressed thoughts and feelings are given an opportunity to be 
released. 

>Sounds like nerves.

and a general release of tension. Daily meditation helps me a lot,
but sometimes the general pressures of a Western society like the US
can be overwhelming.

>-- 
>John Emery		"You say we've risen to a new age of light.
>emery@tc.fluke.COM       You're telling me what used to be wrong
>			 is now right."


John Curry
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Tue,  8 Sep 92 18:55:32 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Subject: The Ostrich People. Part 4.
 The explorers admired the way the natives used their forked feet. They
even witnessed the birth of a two-toed bady. In the past, the few 
researchers who had observed the ostrich people believed that their
strange feet were the result of a genetic mutation, since we had to 
accept this explanation but then something amazing happened.  It was
during the night of a full moon that Dr. C.'s team was wakened by the 
natives, who were naked and had painted their entire bodies glowing
silver. The awestruck explorers followed the tribe into the dark jungle.
After several hours, they came upon a large, shining silver dome. The 
tribe began dancing wildly around it and singing songs to their
ancestors from the sky.
 The dome was like nothing of this earth. The incredible ceremony 
continued until the first light of dawn. Then the wearly ostrich 
people led the exlorers back to their village. On the way, an elder
told Dr. C. that about 200 years ago, the large spinning sun had 
fallen from the sky, bringing the tribe's ancestors to the remote
jungle area. That was all anyone remembered. More will be known when
the French team returns to the jungle to study the crashed UFO. This
article was written by Francis Shipplett. The Sun Magazine's
Editorial Offices are at 5401 N.W. Broken Sound Blvd. Boca Raton, FL.
33487. John Winston.
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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 13 Sep 92 06:44:20 GMT
Followup-To: talk.religion.newage

In <Sep12.205338.85089@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith) writes:

>Hypothesis:  It is possible for John Winston to send his picture to me using astral travel, or whatever he calls it.

Get him to astrally send you a picture of the Ostrich spaceship while
he's at it, OK?
-- 
/|/-\/-\       I'll leave you with this saying:
 |__/__/_/     SHHHH!! I hear SIX TATTOOED TRUCK-DRIVERS tossing ENGINE
 |warren@      BLOCKS into empty OIL DRUMS..
/ nysernet.org 
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From: dennisk@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Dennis Kavanagh)
Subject: My Teacher or lost premi ??
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 19:17:02 GMT

I have not seen (physically anyway) or heard of the status of  
Guru Maharaji recently.
Does anyone have any idea of his activites??
I appreciated His message...


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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Fri,  4 Sep 92 17:31:15 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <65161@cup.portal.com> <87806@netnews.upenn.edu> <65194@cup.portal.com>

Dear Folks: So much interest has been shown in the article about the 
Ostrich people (by Leonard and Doug) that I decided to look up the material
again. It turned up being in the Sun Magazine Sept. 26, 1989 Page 7. A
person who reads this Net is planning to be over in that area soon and hopes
to check it out for himself. Here is the whole article; UFO ALIENS, New
evidence shows ostrich people came from outer space. Decendantws of space
aliens have been living on Earth for centuries- in a weird African tribe
known as the ostrich people. 
The natives bizarre two-toed feet are evidence of their amazing alien 
past, claims famed anthropologist Dr. Etienne Charbonal.---JW
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Get Off John's Back Please!
Date: Sat,  5 Sep 92 06:25:19 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Jul29.185219.29352@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> <45868@shamash.cdc.com>
  <63079@cup.portal.com> <65286@cup.portal.com>

Subject Ostrich People: Part 3
Since the natives are shy and elusive, little was known about them before Dr. C's landmark expedition. We arrived in their village with the goal of observing the people in their day to day lives. This proved to be difficult at first since they were very suspicious and didn't come out of their huts for days. But gradually, they began to lose their fear and approached us., They became wonderful hosts, feeding us and giving us shelter at night.--End Part 3. John Winston.
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From: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Reply-To: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 16:49:02 GMT

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
: Subject: Youth. 
:  This story starts in a discotheque down in Guatemala when a young fellow of 

[bullshit deleted]

: Source of information: Dec. 19, 1989, National Examiner.
: John Winston.


John, will you please stop doing this?  If I want to read stories like
this I will go out and buy a copy of the Weekly World News -- then I
get pictures, so I _know_ it's true.  It is not necessary for you to
type in stories from tabloids and waste everybody's money transmitting
them all over the world.

If you insist on posting meaningless drivel (and it seems you do) at
least keep it _original_ drivel.  And why, for god's sake, are these
stories almost three years old?  If you can't be original, try to be
current!

--
Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  Are we THERE yet?  My
Rosemount Inc.                                |MIND is a SUBMARINE!!
                                              |
grante@aquarius.rosemount.com                 |
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 92 09:46:40 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Subject: Ruins of a 30,000 Year Old City. Part 3.
  After getting back in our cars we went about 5 more miles
up the PC highway, then turned right on a road that sounds
like Belken, It is not my purpose to tell people exactly where this city is 
but if you really want to find it you will or you can 
take the tour. You might get killed if you try this the wrong way. 
We encountered snakes, poison oak, poison ivy and some trails that
can be very dangerous if you don't have a good guide to direct you.
  After going up this road for a mile or two we came to an area
where a large rock wall came down a hill.  It was missing when it
went across the road then it started again and went up the hill.
R. pointed out that the wall was made of cement and artificial rock.
I made for sure that I was hearing him right by asking him if he 
didn't mean that the walls were made by just picking up the stones
on the ground and cementing them together. Her then stated that it
was made of artificial rock. These walls were about 10 feet tall
and about 2 feet wide. He said that the walls were made to keep wild animals 
such as the saber toothed tiger (not that they were alive
then) and wild people out.
  I the told R. that these walls looked exactly like the Mysterious
Rock Walls that extend from Berkeley, Calif. to Milpitas and have
to do with the focusing of Ley Lines. He said that he had heard of
them and it was true about the Ley Lines. He had shown a geologist 
some outcroppings in mountains before but he refused to recognize
them as anything artificial. He believes that these walls were
originally made to have a charge on them and would shock a person
if they touched the walls.
  R. mentioned that these walls were the last thing that he discov-
ed about the city and were the iceing on the cake that proved to 
him that the city was an actuality.
  After seeing this wall we went about a mile and saw another wall
that was 20 feet tall and 50 feet long and was at an angle to the
ground. This wall had been laid down in different layers using 
different  colors of material. All of this reminded me of a 
boulder that I and a friend tore apart using just a screw driver and 
no hammer. This was up on Mission Peak in the Fremont, Calif. area.
The boulder looked like any other rock but after you chipped away
the outside vineer the inside was made of smaller rocks put together
with cement. As you went further inside the boulder it was evident
that it was man made.
End part 3. John Winston. 
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From: bsmart@bsmart.TTI.COM (Bob Smart)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Reply-To: bsmart@bsmart.TTI.COM (Bob Smart)
Organization: Citicorp+TTI
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:57:53 GMT

In article <65606@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
> I just got back from the OOBE feeling like a 30,000 year old fiddle.

Must be an interesting sensation, since fiddles (violins, anyway) were
only invented about 350 years ago.

There are other stringed, bowed instruments that could arguably be
called "fiddles," but even they only go back perhaps a couple of
thousand years...not tens of thousands.  Tell me, were fiddles popular
in Atlantis?  Do the Antareans know any really good fiddle riffs?  Will
they be revealing their R&B secrets to the people of Earth?

---------

A fanatic is someone who does what he knows that God would do if God knew the
facts of the case.

Some mailers apparently munge my address; you might have to use
bsmart@bsmart.tti.com -- or if that fails, fall back to
72027.3210@compuserve.com.  Ain't UNIX grand?
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From: v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
Subject: Re: CALL OF THE QUR'AN TO THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:13:20 GMT

jens@seas.gwu.edu (Jens Johansen) writes:

> In article <1992Sep4.165052.2202@doug.cae.wisc.edu> irfan@maxwell.ece.wisc.ed
> >   
> >
> > [ a load of pretty naf religious propoganda, deleted to save net bandwidth 
> > 
> 
> Oh please!  Can we please keep this kind of opinionated and perfectly useless
> bull*%&! off soc.culture.british?!?
> 
> It doesn't do you much good anyway, since committed Christians will laugh
> their heads off at you, and the rest of us don't give a toss for this sort
> of thing anyway.
> 
> So in the name of God, the most merciful, etc, etc, bugger off out of it!
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jens Johansen (jens@seas.gwu.edu)       | DISCLAIMER:  Hey, if you seriously
> ----------------------------------------|   believe I am speaking for anyone
>   /* insert your own witty message */   |   else, we might both be in quite
>            /* right here */             |   serious trouble...

I agree TOTALLY!!!!! BUZZ OFF!!!!!!!! This is soc.culture.asean, NOT 
soc.muslim or soc.quran!!!!!

v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
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From: gerry@cmu.edu (Gerry Roston)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: meteors curve / go straight
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:01:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: onion.GERRY.92Sep10110121
Reply-To: gerry@cmu.edu (Gerry Roston)
Organization: Field Robotics Center, CMU

The only way that a meteor, entering the Earth atmosphere, can travel
in a straight line is if if moves radially towards the center of the
Earth.  With ANY OTHER path, gravity will deflect it motion towards
the center of the Earth, thereby curving its path.

Whether this curvature is readily apparent is another issue...

--
Gerry Roston (gerry@cmu.edu)    | It is difficult beyond description to
Field Robotics Center,          | conceive that space can have no end; but it
Carnegie Mellon University      | is more difficult to conceive an end.  It
Pittsburgh, PA, 15213           | is difficult beyond the power of man to
(412) 268-3856                  | conceive an eternal duration of what we
                                | call time; but it is more impossible to
The opinions expressed are mine | conceive a time when there shall be no time.
and do not reflect the official | Thomas Paine
position of CMU, FRC, RedZone,  | 
or any other organization.      | 
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Get Off John's Back Please!
Date: Fri,  4 Sep 92 17:50:35 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Jul29.185219.29352@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> <45868@shamash.cdc.com>
  <63079@cup.portal.com>

---After we gained their trust, the tribe revealed to us what is 
unquestionably Africa's last and greatest mystery. Says Dr. Charbonal.
In the jungle outside of their village, there is a demolished UFO.
The tribe goes there to worship, conducting a strange ceremony in which
they pray to their ancestors. Located in an isolated jungle region
of Zimbabwe, the ostrich people number about 100. Each member-man, woman
and child-exhits the shocking foot deformity. Despite their awkward
appearance, the two-toed feet are surprisingly nimble. The toes can be
used like fingers to pick up objects and the large size of their feet
aids the ostrich people in keeping their balance when trudging through
jungle mud. ----More to come later.---John Winston.
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From: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: meteors curve / go straight
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:42:03 GMT
Followup-To: talk.religion.newage
Organization: Alpha Science Computer Network, Denver, Co.

In article <12818@ntdd-1| meier@Software.Mitel.COM (Rolf Meier) writes:
|In article <6482649@gloin.unh.edu| kalter@unh.edu writes:
|
||His point was, meteors _LOOK_ straightish.
||The thing is, they _DO_ look straightish by eyeball.
||They do, they really do _LOOK_ straight.
|
|This is incorrect.
|
|I have been observing meteors for over 20 years and I can positively
|relate that, occasionally, a meteor will APPEAR to follow a curved
|path.  It will sometimes APPEAR to take a bend of up to 30 degrees
|in its path.
|
|Whether this is a real phenomenon or simply a trick of the
|eye due to its movement is another question.
|
|_____________________________________________________________________
|Rolf Meier					Mitel Corporation

I have seen meteors curve. One covered 90 degrees of sky and
curved convex side to the north as it went to the east. It was
a brilliant blue. I doubt that it was a projection phenomena since
at the middle of its path it was directly overhead. It could have
been spinning. That would be some curve ball at 7 km/s.

-- 
Bruce Watson (wats@scicom)  Tumbra, Zorkovick; Sparkula zoom krackadomando.  
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 92 06:44:06 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Folks: I've been ask to repost this information in 75 characters
lines or less that can be read on the Portal System.
Subject Ex-CIA Pilot:
 There is a person who once was a CIA pilot in Southeast Asia, a 
30 year air line pilot and the son of the person who invented the 
same jet planes that are used by rich people. His name is John Lear. 
Lately he has been saying a few things about our government in the 
press. It's all public information. Here are a few things he is saying;
The U.S. government has recovered more than 40 flying saucers belonging
to alien civilizations far beyond our solar system. And Navy pilots
have successfully flown flown several of these craft under a secret
program begun in the mid-1950s.
 The remains of as many as 100 captive Extraterrestrial Biological
Entities (EBEs), representing as many as 15 different species, are 
being secretly preserved in cryogenic storage. The U.S. has established
secret bases on the moon and on Mars, with NASa's Mercury, Gemini,
Apollo, Spacelab and Shuttle projects just smoke screens for what's
reallly been going on.
  John Lear didn't give UFOs much thought until a friend of his told
him the truth about the Brentwaters Air Force Base incident near 
London, England in late 1980. After that he started to piece together
facts about what he believed to be a massive but well intentioned cover-
up by the U.S. government. He said he discovered that working behind
a cloak of ultrasecretcy, the U.S. many years ago granted the aliens
permission to abduct humans in exchange for their superadvanced
technology. He believes that at this moment, there are at least 70 
different species of aliens on Earth performing an infinite variety
of missions and there are also secret alien underground bases on
American soil. 
Source of information: Sept. 8, 1992 National Examiner.
John Winston.
From: emery@tc.fluke.COM (John Emery)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Sickness and Meditation/Retreats
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:25:37 GMT
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA

In article <1992Sep11.174723.25758@tc.fluke.COM> curry@tc.fluke.COM (John Curry) writes:

>and a general release of tension. Daily meditation helps me a lot,
>but sometimes the general pressures of a Western society like the US
>can be overwhelming.

How true, John.  Time is a valuable commodity in our culture, some-
thing that there doesn't always seem to be enough of.  I experience 
wonderful peace and strength through meditation also.  My personal 
meditation involves quiet time of prayer and reflection of different 
scriptural verses.  It seems that in these times, my Lord so faithfully 
touches my heart with encouragement, hope, and renewed strength.  For 
instance, I might fix my thoughts upon the promise that my God is with 
me always and will never leave me.  I think, "Wow, the One who actually 
formed me in my mother's womb and created all that I see, feel, hear, 
smell, is aware of me and knows me by name at this very moment".

In times of trial, I meditate upon the wonderful promises of God's
deliverance.  For instance, I might choose a verse like Psalm 46:1,
"God is our refuge and strength, an ever-present help in trouble."
As I feed upon His promise to be my helper and deliverer, He
fills me with renewed hope which brings me joy.  I also like meditating
on the truth of His awesome love for me: "I will praise you, O LORD my
God, with all my heart; I will glorify you name forever.  For great
is your love for me; you have delivered me from the depths of the grave."
(Psalm 86:12-13).  I meditate on the love He would have for me to lay
down His life for me.  These meditative promises are like spiritual food
for me.  It's like a song we sing: "Turn your eyes upon Jesus, look full
in His wonderful face.  And the things of earth [worries,stresses,etc] 
will grow strangely dim, in the light of His glory and grace."  It is
through these wonderful times that problems seem to fade.

Take care all and God bless,

-- 
John Emery		"You say we've risen to a new age of light.
emery@tc.fluke.COM       You're telling me what used to be wrong
			 is now right."
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From: jens@seas.gwu.edu (Jens Johansen)
Subject: Re: CALL OF THE QUR'AN TO THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 23:24:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.165052.2202@doug.cae.wisc.edu> irfan@maxwell.ece.wisc.edu (Irfan Alan) writes:
>   
>
> [ a load of pretty naf religious propoganda, deleted to save net bandwidth ]
> 

Oh please!  Can we please keep this kind of opinionated and perfectly useless
bull*%&! off soc.culture.british?!?

It doesn't do you much good anyway, since committed Christians will laugh
their heads off at you, and the rest of us don't give a toss for this sort
of thing anyway.

So in the name of God, the most merciful, etc, etc, bugger off out of it!



-- 
Jens Johansen (jens@seas.gwu.edu)       | DISCLAIMER:  Hey, if you seriously
----------------------------------------|   believe I am speaking for anyone
  /* insert your own witty message */   |   else, we might both be in quite
           /* right here */             |   serious trouble...
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From: hpesonen@vipunen.hut.fi (Harri P Pesonen)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Reply-To: hpesonen@vipunen.hut.fi (Harri P Pesonen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 21:32:23 GMT

In article <65736@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear World: I just got back from a unplanned astral dream that I went
...
>of the first to be thrown in the arena in Rome. Now back to the real
>world. Last week a person sent me over 102k bits of information. I
>appreciated the info. but I get fined if I get more than 100k of infor-
>mation on my E-mail account in a days time. I have been guilty of 
>sending that amount of info. to one person in one day myself. So 
>everyone send me anything you like but please limit it to about
>30k bits.
>Cheers.
>John Winston

You mean 30 k bytes of course?

Harri
-- 
Harri Pesonen, Helsinki, Finland, Europe?
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