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From: kbibb@maui.qualcomm.com (Ken Bibb)
Subject: Re: Difference between this and alt.music.progressive?
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 02:41:38 GMT

In <1992Nov17.175615.6438@leland.Stanford.EDU> jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:


>How
>is this group supposed to be different from alt.music.progressive which
>is devoted to that very topic?

>	--  Jim C. <jchokey@leland.stanford.edu>

I think it's going to be a redundant group for those prog fans who are
too confused by the recent bastardization of the prog pigeonhole to
find their way to the correct newsgroup.

I personally think that a lot of this stuff (like Marillion) is far from
symphonic (when I think "symphonic rock" I think of Wakeman's Journey
to the Center of the Earth, Wakeman's King Arthur, and Deep Purple's
Concerto for Orchestra and Band), though I would definitely categorize
them as a progressive band.
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From: cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com (A. Jing Hippy)
Subject: Re: Yes/Tales
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:54:26 GMT
Organization: A Suffusion of Yellow

In article <2937@anprda.atson.asahi-np.co.jp>, dji@atson.asahi-np.co.jp (David J. Iannucci) writes:
|> I put it to you all that Yes' TALES FROM TOPOGRAPHIC OCEANS is nothing
|> short of the greatest "piece" of music composed in this century.
|> 
|> This is not meant to start a flame war, just to see if there are others
|> out there who share my somewhat unconventional tastes :^)  Why is this
|> album so thoroughly overlooked?  Is it that your average jerk doesn't
|> have the attention span to handle it?

Now wait.... You don't want to start a flame war and then refer to "your
average jerk"?  Well, I'm willing to call it just a poor choice of words
and reply.

I *love* Yes.  I've got all of their older albums *except* for "Tales from
Topographic Oceans".  This particular jerk has plenty of attention span for
albums and (yes!) even double albums ("wow", you say, "an attention span
approaching 2 hours").  I just don't like it.

I have a best friend in Atlanta who recently purchased a book describing
the best and worst albums of all time.  Of the top 10, he owned 3.  Of the
bottom 10, he owned 3.  One of the bottom 10, and one of his all-time 
favorite albums was "Tales".  Now I understand that that's just the author's 
opinion, and I can certainly see how someone *could* like the album, it just 
ain't for me.

Incidentally, I don't think that the album is "thoroughly overlooked" at all.
I know a lot of folks who think it's the best thing that Yes ever did or ever
will do.  If you had looked through a discussion on alt.rock-n-roll recently,
you'd have seen a request to rate Yes' stuff.  A lot of the folks rated 
"Tales" at or very near the top.

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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic
Subject: Re: great keyboard players
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:50:57 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


Then there are the two great keyboardists from Jethro Tull:  John Evan
(who did Thick As A Brick, Passion Play, "A", Warchild, and others)
and Peter Vetesse (Under Wraps, Broadsword and the Beast, and worked
with Ian Anderson on solo stuff).

I can't speak for their composing abilities, since I don't know who
composes what in Jethro Tull, but both managed to come up with very
unique synth sounds which perfectly complement the music being played.
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From: analog@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Monahan)
Subject: Re: Wakeman v. Emerson
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:09:47 GMT

In article <92322.042124MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu> <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>Who do you think is better? Wakeman or Emerson (is there someone else out there
>that compares to either of these virtuosi that should be here also, I don't
>know of any...) in your opinion...
>
>Please qualify your statement by stating which is either
>
>your favourite player


	Wakeman.  The Hammond Organ solo on "Roundabout" is probably the best
of its kind IMHO.  Not to mention the stuff that man can do live!


>who you think is technically better


	Again, Wakeman.  Just check out any one of his solo albums (even the NewAge stuff).  No question about it.


	It is a tough call.  Emerson is by no means a sub-standard keyboard     player (insert understatement mode).  There is a fine line between the two, but I think Wakeman comes out on top.


-- 
	The Analog Person (analog@mentor.cc.purdue.edu)
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	A little fascism every now and then is good for you!- Matt J. Martin
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From: gast@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (David Gast)
Subject: Slark
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 05:37:04 GMT

One of my favorite songs of all time is Slark by Stackbridge.  It
is about 23 minutes of mostly/all cello and flute.  I have not
heard it in years.  Anyone know where I can get/buy a copy?

The closest song to it is Bouree by Tull.

David
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From: battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle)
Subject: Phish
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:16:39 GMT

If you ever have a chance to see Phish I highly recommend it.
They are probably one of the last bands still creating art rock.
However, they are a new band (10 years?)!  Intricate counterpoint,
polyrhythms, and thematic layering are all used by Phish as well as
a HIGHLY eclectic style.  Ive heard them improvise a 3 part classical
inspired fugue then go into grunge metal, then country, then avant garde,
and funk, all played well.  Their guitarist, trey anastasio appears to
be the compositional mastermind behind the group.  Surprisingly,  they have
a HUGE cult following of mostly deadheads.  The music is always danceable,
yes...danceable art rock, and intricately composed.  The stage/audience
show is also a blast.  Ive seen trey rollerblade around the audience
while soloing!  Check em out.
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From: fes9s@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Frank Erick Sellin)
Subject: Re: Yes/Tales
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:15:38 GMT

Yeah, Tales of Topo is just the greatest stuff if you've got a long
road trip alone...  Although, I find that I listen more to the first
two sides than the last two sides (I have the LP, on tape for the car...),
unless I'm really in a weird enough mood for Giants.  Nous Sommes Du
Soleil is kind of meandering and you really have to be in a special
mood for it, IMHO. 

Frank
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From: analog@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Monahan)
Subject: Re: Yes
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:37:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.201434.7014@cs.tulane.edu> butterwo@cs.tulane.edu (Blake Butterworth) writes:
>
>    At the risk of being deep fried, I want to ask some questions about Yes
>seeing as how everyone is discussing them right now.  I'm a real newbie
>to Yes, the only albums I've heard are parts of Classic Yes and Union
>which some of my friends had.  I want to check out their music, but don't
>know where to begin.  I don't even know how many albums they have.  I think
>that first I want to get into the older music.  That album Tales... sounds
>pretty cool and I've heard that Fragile is really good also.  Can anyone
>give me some suggestions on what's good and where to start?  Thanks.
>
>Blake


	The most logical starting point, IMHO, is "Fragile".  It showcases
every aspect of Yes's talents and is very listenable.  If course, it 
could also be because "Heart of the Sunrise" is one of my favorites songs
ever.  Hardly an objective suggestion, but nonetheless a valid one! 




	The Analog Person-(Michael J. Monahan) analog@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
	Suffering is the origin of conciousness-Dostoyevsky
	We will pay the price, but we will not count the cost-Neil Peart
	Well, the silly party has won.  I believe this is largely due to 
	the number of votes cast!- Monty Python's Flying Circus 
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From: srscnslt@telesciences.com (SRS Consultant)
Subject: 'Go Through This' and 'We Can Fly From Here'
Organization: TeleSciences CO Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:45:21 GMT


	Does anyone out there have the correct lyrics for either of these
	songs?  They were played in concert on the Drama tour, but never
	released on [lp|cd|tape].

	I happen to think that WCFFH is the best song from Drama... and it
	never even made it onto the record!!!


Mitch Gorman		srscnslt@telesciences.com		slave@work
			emrys@cellar.org			god@home

"Stand, on hills of long forgotten yesterdays..."
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic
Subject: Re: Let's not leave out the one and only GENESIS!!! :)
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:52:03 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Nov16.210857.17419@ultb.isc.rit.edu> kjc7435@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.J. Cater) writes:
>Symphonic rock eh?  Let's not leave out Genesis....also, the Electric
>Light Orchestra, the Moody Blues, and King Crimson...
 
I can't believe that we've gone this far without someone mentioning
Renaissance.  The use of orchestras in rock music has, in general, been
done poorly.  Two bands that (IMHO) have successfully combined an orchestra
and maintained a rock sound are Renaissance and Caravan (New Symphonia).

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From: srscnslt@telesciences.com (SRS Consultant)
Subject: Re: Listener's guide to Yes
Organization: TeleSciences CO Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:41:23 GMT

In article <92325.184820LPR100@psuvm.psu.edu> <LPR100@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>This is posted for a friend, amosher@maestro.srcc.lsu.edu. Responses
>can be sent there (or send them to me and I'll forward them.)
>
>- - - - - -
>
>It has been interesting reading the advice on how "to get into" Yes.
>It makes old, geriatric fans like myself very, very happy.  It sort
>of vindicates all of those years when people would roll their eyes
>and make snide remarks.
>
>At the same time, however, it makes an old, geriatric fan like
>myself feel sad for those of you who are just getting into the
>band now.  It really was a lot of fun "growing up" with Yes--
>it was a bit like being on one of those fun-house rides at the
>State Fair.  You never knew what was going to happen next.


	I remember being at a 9012Live show, and being one of maybe two or
	three hundred people in the arena who even knew what was happening
	when Chris started playing hit bit from 'Sound Chaser'.  When he broke
	into the bassline from 'Tempus Fugit' people went crazy, but while he
	was doing SC, it was dead quiet.  I mean, like, NO reaction!

	Sad.

Mitch Gorman		srscnslt@telesciences.com		slave@work
			emrys@cellar.org			god@home

"Stand, on hills of long forgotten yesterdays..."
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic
Subject: Re: First posting?
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:48:48 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <RMF.92Nov16173245@chopin.cs.columbia.edu> rmf@chopin.cs.columbia.edu (Robert M. Fuhrer) writes:
>While we're on this tangent of symphonic instruments used in rock, there was a
>band about 12 years ago called "FM", one album of whose was titled "Phasers on
>Stun". The band included a certain Ben Mink on electric violin, who was also
>featured in the song "Losing It" on Rush's album "Signals"...
>
>So, anyone else heard of this band and know of other albums/activities?

"FM" was from Canada and the album with Phasers on Stun was called "Black
Noise".  Great progressive rock album.  They have at least two others that
I know of.  The third album is called Surveillance.  I don't recall the name
of their first album.  Many a discussion has taken place on rec.music.misc
as to whether Ben Mink and Nash the Slash (another violin player for FM)
are the same person. Consensus is they are not.  I have a rather extensive
list of the use of violin in rock and jazz.  By far my largest collection of
albums but a single artist is Jean luc Ponty.  23 albums.

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From: white@hydro.mps.ohio-state.edu (The Master)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic
Subject: Re: Wakeman v. Emerson
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:05:50 GMT
Organization: S.H.A.D.O.


	I've always thought that Emerson was by far the better composer,
since Wakeman rehashes tons of his own material (If you listen to Wakeman
solo albums you'll hear a lot of familiar themes re-occuring).  However,
I think Wakeman is a better arranger and makes better use of sound.  Even
though Wakeman can tear up a storm on the keys, he still knows when just
a haunting mellotron chord will do the trick.  Rick uses a variety of
textures, but Emerson tends to stick to piano/organ/moog.  I don't think
Emerson has ever played a mellotron, and I think the only time he played
a clavinet was on ELP's debut ("Tank").

	However, this debate is pointless since there is a better key-
board player than either Emerson or Wakeman ;-)  If you haven't listened
to Gentle Giant, check out Kerry Minnear's work.  This guy not only can
play was well as the two aformentioned giants, but he also sings, com-
poses, and plays a variety of other instruments (as do other GG members).

Dave White

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From: csa09@seq1.keele.ac.uk (Paul Singleton)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic
Subject: Re: Yes/Tales
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:41:13 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

From article <1992Nov17.001538.29720@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, by fes9s@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Frank Erick Sellin):

> Yeah, Tales of Topo is just the greatest stuff if you've got a long
> road trip alone...

I'm another secret TFTO admirer, and I shall make up a tape for my car as
soon as I get home (thanks for the idea Frank).  I now play very little of 
the rock music in my collection (I've discovered the _really_ great music
of the 20th century) (Berg, Bartok, Stravinsky ...) but TFTO is a very
personal favourite.  "Symphonic" rock must have structure, with themes
being stated, developed and recapitulated.  Standard (i.e. ~4 minute)
rock songs performed by symphony orchestras are *not* "symphonic.  Some
of the stuff in TFTO is a bit awkward, and I got the impression that Rick
Wankman would rather have been doing something else, but it's satisfying
overall and moving in places.  I always thought the lyrics were drivel :-)
but maybe I missed something.  I still feel someone should attempt an
animated video to accompany it, or maybe a "Koyannisquatsi(sp?)"-style
compilation of landscapes etc.  Not for watching in the car, of course :-)

Which suggests an idea: a virtual reality helmet for car drivers, which
accurately reproduces the road ahead, junctions, traffic etc., but redesigns
it into a more interesting form, e.g. post-nuclear Mad Max wasteland, which
you are both virtually and really driving through.
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From: s0454850@let.rug.nl (J.P. Prenger)
Subject: Re: How 'bout Zappa?!
Organization: Faculteit der Letteren, Rijksuniversiteit Groningen, NL
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:13:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.090918.5466@rbdc.wsnc.org> andy@rbdc.wsnc.org (Andy Pitts) writes:
>From: andy@rbdc.wsnc.org (Andy Pitts)
>Subject: Re: How 'bout Zappa?!
>Date: 16 Nov 92 09:09:18 GMT
>TPCunn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Thomas P. Cunningham) writes:

>However I recall hearing a few records in the late sixties that were 
instarmental [SIC!] 
>and great.  Unfortunately I don't remember any of the names. 
Does anyone
>have a list of some of his serious 
work?                               
        !!!!!!!I guess all the work of Zappa is kinda serious! (If you don't 
take it serious, than that's your problem!... OOps... I guess I'm starting 
to flame now, and that's not what I wanted to. 

Okay, a list of his serious work (instrumental=serious????)


-Hot Rats (only one song with voice... well, voice.. Captain Beefheart at 
least)
-Lumpy Gravy (this is ballet music; this year or in the very first months 
of '93 there will be some kinda part III of Lumpy Gravy, called: '
Civilisation, Part III).
-The Perfect Stranger (conducted by Pierre Boulez and performed by the 
Ensemble Intercontemporain)
-The L.S.O. plays Zappa (2 cd's) (conducted by Kent Nagano)
-The Yellow Shark (a very avantgarde kinda work. Performed by the Ensemble 
Modern from Frankfurt, Germany; it was performed in Frankfurt, Berlin and 
Vienna; there were also dancers on stage: the Canadian modern dance group 
called Lalala Human Steps. The Yellow Shark  features parts called 'Food 
Gathering in Post-Industrial America', but also a variation on an 
instrumental FZ-song -mainly a bass-solo- called 'G-Spot Tornado' which 
forms the 'grand-final' of The Yellow Shark. There will be released - very 
soon - a double-CD and maybe later also a video.)

Well, I hope this will do!

Greetings!

Jan Peter Prenger           # `A modern composer refuses to die'
University of Groningen     #  (Edgar Varse) 
The Netherlands             # 'Facts are stupid things' 
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From: cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com (A. Jing Hippy)
Subject: Re: Yes
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 19:38:53 GMT
Organization: A Suffusion of Yellow

ramsay@math.ubc.ca (Keith Ramsay) writes: 
| Speaking of Yes... a frivolous aside.... For *years* I have wondered
| what one certain word is. Perhaps someone here would know:
| 
|           In and around the lake
|           [Mumbles] come out of the sky and they stand there!
| 
| Martians? Mamas? Mormons? :-) Thanks in advance.

"Mountains".

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From: rmf@chopin.cs.columbia.edu (Robert M. Fuhrer)
Subject: Re: First posting?
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Columbia Univ.
	<1e57eiINN4jh@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> <LsD=-3-@engin.umich.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:32:45 GMT

While we're on this tangent of symphonic instruments used in rock, there was a
band about 12 years ago called "FM", one album of whose was titled "Phasers on
Stun". The band included a certain Ben Mink on electric violin, who was also
featured in the song "Losing It" on Rush's album "Signals"...

So, anyone else heard of this band and know of other albums/activities?
--

-- Bob
From: mds5142@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.D. Shepherd)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic
Subject: Rock turned Classical
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:47:48 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: mds5142@ultb


Hi.  So here's the question we've all been waiting for.  What do people
think about those albums where a rock bands 'greatest hits' are redone
into classical music?  I know of a few where David Palmer and the Royal
Philharmonic does Pink Floyd and Andrew Powell and the Philharmonic do
Alan Parsons Project, and I also believe there is one out for Genesis
music too, and probably many others.  Most of the time, when I let
someone listen to something like this, they'll either love it or hate
it.  I guess it depends on your impression of classical music.  So
what's the scoop?  Does anybody out there like these?  And what other
groups have an album like this?

Stoked!

Mike
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