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From: tracer@carson.u.washington.edu (David P. Tracer)
Newsgroups: rec.pets,rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: suppliers and address
Keywords: turtles
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:24:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct5.192456.21057
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Oct5.135739.27485@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> time@coos.dartmouth.edu (Susan M. Kennedy) writes:
>I was told the was a FAQ that gave names and address of suppliers, but I'm not
>a regular reader.  I've just gotten a box turtle:) and I'd like to know those
>supplies that specialize in reptiles and small animals.  Someone replying to
>an earlier post of mine(thanks all) mentioned Glade Herp, but didn't give an
                                               ^^^^^^^^^^
>address. If someone has it and any others, can you send it to me?  Thanks!
>
>Susan M. Kennedy

Sorry I don't have their address handy, but since you mentioned them, I
thought I'd take the opportunity to ask why people love Glades Herp so
much?  I've dealt with them a number of times and every time either some
hassle has cropped up and/or I've been disappointed.  I have bought snakes
from Glades Herp who claim they "cherry pick" the nicest ones (nice phrase
but what does it mean?) that were nowhere near as nice as ones I've gotten
from other sources (though to be fair I did get one snake from them that's
really beautiful).  Furthermore, their prices are invariably higher than
those of other herp distributor/breeders.  I have also had problems with
snakes not arriving when they said they would (due to their error, not the
airlines).  Perhaps my worst experience though was when they sent me a
snake (for which I paid a hefty sum) that was emaciated, had the worst
respiratory infection I had ever seen, and to top it off (I'm not kidding
here) had a large growth on the right side of its head!  Now to be fair
when I called them, they didn't even want to talk about it, they just said
"send it back."  When I said something like "ok I will, but how could you
send out a sick snake like that?"  they again said something to the effect
that they didn't want to talk about it, just send it back.  It made me
think though, that just maybe they were hoping a novice who didn't know
better, would get the snake and not ask for his/her money back.  I did
send the snake back, but not before keeping it for 2 weeks and treating
with ciprofloxacin, in order to get it into shippable condition.  It also
took over a month and 2 more phone calls to get the amount for the snake taken
off my Visa card.
Well I guess I've bashed them enough.  I don't want to get down on them in
particular - I'm sure there are hundreds of other dealers who are worse. 
Maybe they were excellent in the past, but have just grown too big to keep
up with the demands of their expanding business.  Also, I've had excellent
success in buying "supplies" (non-living stuff) from them.  But when it
comes to living herps, I'm going to stick to the smaller breeders from now
on.  
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From: A.S.Chamove@massey.ac.nz (A.S. Chamove)
Subject: Pot Bellied P
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 03:03:19 GMT

Are there any Pot Bellied pigs in Australia?


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From: lianne@bcarh17e.BNR.CA (Lianne Raley)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Cat repro. question
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:12:50 GMT
Reply-To: lianne@bcarh17e.BNR.CA (Lianne Raley)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

P.S. (forgot this from my last post!) --

Try calling any local humane societies or shelters. Often they will
offer neutering services at a very reduced price. You may be able to
get all three of them done for a much better rate than a vet would.

- Lianne - 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: "Jack Previdi" <p00020@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: how much to feed
Organization: Sam Houston Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:13:56 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>DATE:   6 Oct 92 02:03:13 GMT
>FROM:   Paul Larsen <larsenp@mace.cc.purdue.edu>
>
>Our cat is about 2 and 1/2 pounds overweight.  Her weight optimum is supposed
>to be 10 pounds.  The vet put her on Hill's Science diet light and told us
>to feed her about half a cup a day.  Maybe it is my feelings getting in the
>way, but the poor cat always seems to be starving when we feed her this much.
>Should we feed her a little more or is the cat putting on a real good
>acting job?

	How long have you been doing this?

	I have a an 8 pound cat that weighs 14 pounds :-)

	I've been feeding her Science Diet Light, one half cup in the AM,
	one quarter cup in the PM.  For three months!

	Not one ounce lost! (The bag says 1 to 1 1/2 cups for a 15lb cat.)

	Yesterday I stopped in at the Vet's and she told me that SDL is
	to keep  cats from getting bigger, it's not a weight loss product.
	Today I started her (the cat) on Hills RD, which is a reducing
	diet. I hope. The vet also said it takes a LOOONNG time for cats
	to lose weight safely. She (the vet) said to expect a 12 to 18
	month regimen.
	
	One good thing, if the cat is used to SDL it will take to RD
	readily. The vet told me to bring back the bag (10lbs) if the cat
	wouldn't eat it, and she (the vet) would get my money back ($20)
	from Hill's. Being used to SDL, even my normal weight cat ate some.

	I just realized I have been saying MY cats. If my wife and son
	read this, consider it poetic license . (No direct flames, please.)

	Jack (not the cat or the vet)
From: hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Deworming methods
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:06:14 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: kjt34420@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu's message of 29 Sep 92 21:39:40 GMT

In article <BvD066.EMJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kjt34420@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kristin J. Thommes) writes:

   We have always used an oral dewormer for tapeworms.  Your vet may be using
   ivermectin to deworm her, so far as I know that is the only anti-parasitic
   injectable out there.

For tapeworms, our vet uses Droncit, which comes either as an
injectable, or in tablet form.  We've always given the tablets to the
cats, but recently tried the shot for our pup.  Judging from his
reaction, the shot "stings" a lot---I wouldn't recommend it for cats,
who seem to use such things as an excuse to develop a vet phobia!

Marsha Jo Hannah
From: ccspjs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Pete J Suters)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: opening doors
Date: 5 Oct 92 09:56:41 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK

In the referenced article, aaronm@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (aaron meyerowitz) writes:
>How common is it for a cat to open a door by itself? A few
>years ago I had a cat which after living with me for
>a few years learned how to open the door. I never saw her
>do it from the outside as much as i tried! She only
>did it when no=one was outside. I would hear a WHAP and the door would 
>open. Evidently she would leap in the are and land hanging by
>her paws from the "European-style" door handle:

  I haven't had any personal experience of door opening cats, but on
a programme called "You've Been Framed" - our version of America's
Funniest Home Videos - I've seen plenty of door opening cats.  One
video showed the technique, which is very clever.  The cat will jump
up onto the door handle, hanging from it, then start swinging 
forwards and backwards to get the door open (this only seems to work
on inward opening doors).  It's quite funny to see the look of 
triumph when the cat plops down on the ground and saunters through 
the door with it's tail up!
  I have also seen lightswitch operating cats, using the same jump-and-
hang technique, but usually a good hard bat on the lightswitch will
do the trick!
  Thank God our cat hasn't sussed this out!!

pete j suters ---- bath university ---- email: p.j.suters@uk.ac.swurcc 
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: loosemore-sandra@CS.YALE.EDU (Sandra Loosemore)
Subject: Re: Why do cats......
Organization: staff hacker @ Yale Haskell project
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:38:49 GMT

jrc@IEDV4.acd.com ( Janis Clark ) writes:

   Why do cats have to use a litter box
   the moment you are done cleaning it?  I have two 4 month old kittens
   (whom I am convinced are monkeys in kitten's clothing) that watch
   anxiously as I scoop the litter box, or replace the litter. As soon
   as I finish, put the rim back on, and step back, they immediately
   get into the box to inspect and use it! I have had several cats over
   the years, and they have all done this.

If this is typical cat behavior, my two must be weirdos.  As soon as
he sees me preparing to clean the litterboxes, my guy Nerfball
*immediately* jumps in one of them and makes a big smelly poop
*before* I clean it out.  Yuck! I need a gas mask! :-P  And my other
kitty Slinky usually ignores the whole procedure.

-Sandra
From: lianne@bcarh17e.BNR.CA (Lianne Raley)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: cat and toilet paper
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:48:02 GMT
Reply-To: lianne@bcarh17e.BNR.CA (Lianne Raley)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <1992Sep18.205149.11884@cbfsb.cb.att.com>,
joni@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (joni.dunlap) writes:
|>All right how do I get this goofy cat of mine Puttie to stop using the
|>toilet paper as his personal spin toy? The only thing that has worked for me
|>so far is to lock that big bathroom up everytime I'm not in it and take
|>the paper off the roll in the small bathroom where his litterbox is at.
|>I do so hate to constantly eliminate him from his favorite room. He loves the
|>bath tub, the soft furry rugs and the cool floor tile.  I'm gone at least

My Salvador loves toilet paper, kleenex, paper towels. I always come home
to find them shredded all over the floor. But he can't get at our toilet
paper because we have a cover on the roll - it's an old-fashioned looking
brass roller that has a "lid" on it. If you roll the paper back so that the
end is underneath the lid, he can't get at it. 

The other solution is to put your toilet paper on backwards - at least I
consider it backwards :) - so that it rolls against the wall instead of
on the outside. That's supposed to make it harder for them to grab on to
something. If they roll it towards them, it just spins around without 
unravelling.

|>10 hours a day and would hate to deprive him. You know the weirdest thing
|>about it is that Puttie is declawed in the front and the toilet paper
|>looks as though it has claw scratch marks in it. Any answers as to what is
|>going on here?
|>
|>Joni :)
            
Maybe he lies on his back and shreds it with his hind claws! Or they could
be teeth marks, if he bites it and then pulls down to shred it - rather than
leaving little holes it could look like scratches.

 - Lianne - 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: davison@menudo.uh.edu (Dan Davison)
Subject: Re: Cat door for sliding door, not secured.
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:42:36 GMT

In article <ken.7@ece.orst.edu> ken@ece.orst.edu (KEN MCCRACKEN) writes:
   In article <1992Sep27.065630.20434@sq.sq.com> dak@sq.sq.com (David
   A Keldsen) writes: 

   >My girlfriend lives in a large apartment building, with a balcony.
   >The cat's litterbox is on the balcony, so she leaves the sliding
   >door to the balcony open a bit for the cat.  However, this causes
   >a bit of a draft (rather an understatement in the middle of a Canadian
   >winter).


Oh, that's what that was. I was just at Petco in Houston and saw the
weirdest pet door I've ever encountered. But this post now explains
it. It fits into your sliding door, has a cat door at the bottom and,
and locks at each (horizontal) end for the sliding door. Thanks for
explaining what it is.

If you want more info let me know and I will go to the store and find
out the mfr.

dan
--
dr. dan davison/dept. of biochemical and biophysical sciences/univ. of
Houston/4800 Calhoun/Houston,TX 77204-5934/davison@uh.edu/DAVISON@UHOU

-----RIP Isaac Asimov 1920-1992     I'll miss him --------------------

Disclaimer: As always, I speak only for myself, and, usually, only to
myself.
From: sstover@sumax.seattleu.edu (Maven o'Mirth)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Has my cat gone mad?
Date: 7 Oct 92 04:20:20 GMT
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

With regards to the whole cats-chasing-tails discussion:

As I was sitting here reading my mail, Hemingway jumped up on my shoulder
as he often does and settled down, hind end on one shoulder, front end on
the other, precariously balanced, and went to sleep.  Something woke him
up and his tail must have involuntarily twitched, catching his eye,
because the next thing I knew he was attempting to catch his tail with his
front end (located on my left shoulder) and hence attempting to bring his
hind end (located on my right shoulder) nearer to himself...so I had him
wrapped, muttering (he mutters rather than growling when he chases his
tail) around my neck, trying to catch that odd striped grey thing which
was occupying *his* roost space.  I laughed so hard I finally startled him
out of his game :).

--
Sheryl Stover				|  How passing fair is youth,
*>sstover@sumax.seattleu.edu<*		|  Forever fleeting away;
and Hemingway, feline philosopher	|  Who happy would be, let him be;
Watch this .sig for news of the		|  Of tomorrow, who can say?
upcoming album from Seattle's 		|	-Lorenzo de'Medici
premier band, the Medici!		|

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: coimay@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu ( LAURA CARRIERE)
Subject: Re: Kitten with foot fetish
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Distribution:  world
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:28:40 GMT
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In article <1992Oct2.184714.633@netcom.com>, wd6cmu@netcom.com (Eric Williams) writes...
>Murphy is a 7-week old orphan longhair found in the parking lot at
>work a week ago.  He seems happy now, but has acquired an annoying
>and potentially dangerous obsession for my feet.  He will follow them
>around, crouch between them when I stand still, climb on top of them,
>sharpen his claws on my shoes, etc.  I have to check every time I
>take a step that I'm not about to crush him.  I've never raised a cat
>before and would like to know if this is normal behaviour for small
>kittens.  Will he grow out of it?  Should I train him to avoid feet
>and, if so, how?

I have six kittens on my back patio who do exactly the same thing.
At times it becomes impossible to move with six kitties on your feet,
under your feet, clinging to your feet, biting your feet ...

And now they're strong enough to climb right up my legs.  I don't wear
shorts out back anymore.  (This is Louisiana, it's still more than warm
enough for shorts.)

The kittens are six weeks old.

Occassionally they get kicked a bit and once or twice we've trodden on
their toes, but if you compare the kittens to the scratches on my legs
and arms it seems the kittens are coming out ahead.  They'll grow out of
it.  Well, at least to the point where the cats are too large to take
any real damage.  Most of the cats I've known enjoy getting underfoot
every now and again.

Laura Carriere
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: ssnyder@sunai.er.usgs.gov (Steve Snyder)
Subject: Re: fun cat books
Organization: U.S. Geological Survey, Reston VA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:28:27 GMT

Another interesting book is called "All my patients are under the bed"
by Dr. Louis Camuti, 1985 US$7.95 ISBN 0-671-55450-6.

It's written by a vet who does house calls and gives his insights and
observations of cats. Has some really interesting stories.

Steve
From: davek@informix.com (David Kosenko)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Kittens and water don't mix
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:26:08 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

Steve Snyder writes:
>  Hobbit has developed the annoying habit of standing on the rim of the
>toilet while I'm peeing into it, so I have to aim carefully to avoid
>her. I've been afraid I'll have a wet smelly kitty on my hands one of
>these days.

Being a long time bachelor who lived alone, I have gotten into the habit of
leaving bathroom door open when I take a leak.  I now have a 4 month old
puppy and a 5 month old kitten.  I have learned to close the door.  Otherwise,
I have two curious heads poking in the bowl, curious as to where the 
"fountain" is coming from.  The cat is by far the worst, as he can get the
door open unless it it latched tight.  I am very tempted to aim at him
(I have thus far resisted).

Dave
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: tdlg9831@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tracey Dianne Layng)
Subject: Re: Why do cats......
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:28:16 GMT

loosemore-sandra@CS.YALE.EDU (Sandra Loosemore) writes:

>jrc@IEDV4.acd.com ( Janis Clark ) writes:

>   Why do cats have to use a litter box
>   the moment you are done cleaning it?  I have two 4 month old kittens
>   (whom I am convinced are monkeys in kitten's clothing) that watch
>   anxiously as I scoop the litter box, or replace the litter. As soon
>   as I finish, put the rim back on, and step back, they immediately
>   get into the box to inspect and use it! I have had several cats over
>   the years, and they have all done this.

>If this is typical cat behavior, my two must be weirdos.  As soon as
>he sees me preparing to clean the litterboxes, my guy Nerfball
>*immediately* jumps in one of them and makes a big smelly poop
>*before* I clean it out.  Yuck! I need a gas mask! :-P  And my other
>kitty Slinky usually ignores the whole procedure.

>-Sandra


My cats don't get excited when I scoop, but when I clean watch out! There is a
line. They look in the box like "Are you finihed, yet?" "There's not enough
litter in there, you know."  The minute the clean litter is in there, Grae
makes a "big smelly poop." Therefore, before I am even finished putting clean
litter in, there is much pushing, shoving, and jockeying for position, so
Dillon can use it first because she is more delicate about the whole thing than
Grae.  Also, Dillon tends to attempt burrowing through the bottom of the box
everytime she uses it.

Tracey
UIUC
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: HELP! BEHAVIOURAL PROBS...SOS
Date: 25 Sep 92 19:32:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson in North America.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the user and
              not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article <1992Sep22.141457.1@scivax.stsci.edu> lang@scivax.stsci.edu writes:
>DRAMATIS PERSONAE:-  ME (ELLIE)
>                     MY HUSBAND, JOHN (AN ARTIST)
>                     MERLIN - 19LB. BLACK, FORMERLY RUNT, NOW MASSIVE
>                     LILITH - 14LB. GREY TABBY, HIS SISTER, ALSO MASSIVE
>                     TALIESIN - 5LB BLACK/WHITE KITTEN, MERLIN'S FRIEND

>NOW.......PLEASE READ ON - ANY ADVICE WOULD BE ****GREATLY**** RECEIVED

>So, what can we do????  Sorry this is so long, but we really are at our
>wits' end.  If you don't want to reply on the news, my e-mail address is
>lang@stsci.edu.  I work at the Space Telescope Science Institute in the
>Educational and Public Affairs Office.

>Thanks for getting this far.......if you've made it.

I'm wondering if Lil is now jealous of the newcomer.
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: jay@cmn19.Stanford.EDU (Jay Kadis)
Subject: Re: Color TV For Sale 
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Distribution: seattle
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 17:46:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.072625.2063@u.washington.edu>  
grimjack@milton.u.washington.edu (Leslie Basel) writes:
> 
> Just like it says.. 10 inch diagonal color TV for sale.
> Generally works well, reception dependent on where you
> are.  General Electric basic model.  Moving, must sell
> by Friday, otherwise it goes to the Wise Penny. $15, or OBO. 
> 
> Phone 527-4452 or 543-4335.  Email is fine, too.
> 
> Leslie Basel


I can only assume this is posted here because the TV is really a cat  
warmer....

Jay
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Funny Cat
From: margaret@cs.arizona.edu (Margaret Newman)
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:57:37 GMT
Keywords: nibbling


My Siamese, Mia, has started an interesting little habit this weekend.
When she sees me in the kitchen, especially in the morning as I am making
breakfast, she comes over and starts purring, rubbing against my bare
legs.  She then takes a little nibble.  This is a cat who has never been
very affectionate, doesn't like to be held.  She has kept it up every
morning now, and this morning took several nibbles.  It doesn't really
hurt, but you definitely know she's down there.  Maybe she feels I'm not
getting her breakfast fast enough!

margaret@cs.arizona.edu

she rooms with Mia, the Siamese; Sophie, the Minature Wire Haired Dachsund




Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: bjames@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Grooming elderly longhair
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:45:12 GMT

Help needed!

My mother's ancient cat is coming to spend a month with us again.  
She is a frail thing with long hair which she is incapable of grooming
on her own.  Her mother (and mine) does not manage to keep her fur from 
becoming tangled and knotted and we spend the whole of each semi-annual 
visit (mother goes touring the grandchildren) working on the problem.  

Aside from trotting her off to the vet to be anesthetized and beautified at 
great expense, can anyone share suggestions for (1) removing the present 
accumulation of matted fur and  (2) maintaining her in a tangle-free state. 
We know brushing is crucial, but would anything else help -- bathing, for 
instance, or are there products to apply to kitty's coat?  

She is an indoor cat and seems to take stress poorly -- stops eating if 
mother leaves her overnight, hides out in our basement for the first day or 
two when she comes to stay with us, will not voluntarily enter a room where 
children are present.  We have a cat of our own, but he is a big, healthy 
shorthair with an uncomplicated psyche.

Junie and I would appreciate any ideas you can share.  Thanks.

Bonnie

bjames@kean.ucs.mun.ca