HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Subject: RMI CD Update
Originator: ben@ipoint
Reply-To: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Organization: Ancient Illuminated Sears of Bavaria
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:44:29 GMT

I have posted a summary of my dealings with the pressing plant to
rec.music.industrial and a couple of other groups under the title of
"CD Pressing: avoid CMSI"; please read it to see why there have been
so many delays in the availability of the RMI CDs.

At this point, I have no idea when the CDs will be shipped.  I have
been hoping for a couple of months now that it would be within a
couple of weeks (because that's what they keep telling me), but now I
have reason to believe that everything they've ever told me was a lie.

I can understand if people want refunds of their money.  If you feel
you must have a refund, please email me.  But please also understand
that your money has gone to the CD pressing plant, and any refunds are
out of my (unfortunately very shallow) pockets at this point.

The CDs WILL eventually be made, and WILL be shipped out (even if I
have to drive down to Florida with my cousin Vinnie to get them).  I
can't make any guarantees of when that will be; I really wish I could.

Please be patient, and understand that you WILL get the CDs you have
paid for (well, unless you get a refund, anyway).

I'm sorry I ever volunteered to do this project, and hope the
nightmare will soon end.

--
Ben Cox
thoth@uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: cms2839@ultb.isc.rit.edu (a.stranger)
Subject: Could someone please send me the StuPidland Press Release?
Organization: Minimalist Music for Hyperactive Children (MMHC)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:43:52 GMT

				subject line says it all . i know it was
posted here a while back . i'm looking for the one detailing how the
compilation was " squashed " by the canadian labels group . Email
replies preferred ; thanks in advance !

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From: mawst13+@pitt.edu (Michael A Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: NIN PHM cover
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:03:32 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1993Jan16.064613.14032@ennews.eas.asu.edu> mcguirk@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (infophage) writes:
>In article <1993Jan15.142757.9842@hubcap.clemson.edu> btheoba@eng.clemson.edu writes:
>>I've been meaning to ask this for a LOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGG time:
>>
>>What the hell is that a "picture" of on the cover of PHM?
>
>Looks sort of like a spine to me...
 

I am convinced its part of the crown on of the Statue of Liberty..



ZZ
:wq






>--
>Dan McGuirk                                      mcguirk@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
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From: ccarroll@hdsc-calm.ssc.af.mil (Chris Carroll)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: test
Date: 22 Jan 1993 12:30:29 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

test (sorry)
From: loki@goat.geo.arizona.edu (Quaeler)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: NIN gossip
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:38:57 GMT
Distribution: world,local



According to an extremely reliable source, as of late (the past few months),  
Trent has gotten very little done for the new album, so don't expect a March  
date to seriously;  on the flipside though, his house on Cielo Drive is  
unavailable starting April, so maybe it'll be on time.

loki
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: cygnus@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Marshall Robin)
Subject: Re: pigface members
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 00:42:15 GMT

In article <spray.728084879@convex.convex.com> spray@convex.com (Rob Spray) writes:
>In <hopson.728081918@sfu.ca> hopson@fraser.sfu.ca (Christopher H.G. Hopson) writes:
>
>>Are you sure you aren't letting bitterness affect your judgement ? When I saw
>>them I thought they were fantastic, as did many other people I'm sure.
>
>>Anyways... Why do they refuse to use opening bands with drummers ?
>
>At the Dallas show, the Evil Mothers opened for Pigface. The Evil
>Mothers (from Satan Antonio) include two drummers (one on a stand 
>up regular kit and the other on steel drums).
>
>--Rob   spray@convex.com

In LA, Medicine opened, who had a drummer. I was not too impressed with
them, one guy playing "drone" guitar (one feedbacked note or chord
for a whole song) another guy making non-interesting feedback noises
with his guitar, and a woman who danced like a skinny ape. wheee.
and apparently the music media is raving over them for some reason, because
they've had an article written about them in 3/4 of the music rags i've
seen in the past two months...

but enough of that, pigface put on a good show, though their last encore
song blew chunks, and the performance art group "sharkbait" (who performed
on the small stage at lollapalooser II) milked the crowd long after pigface
left, until they were a dessicated corpse, devoid of enthusiasm.

or maybe that was just me.

-marsh

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From: 6anthony_m@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Interview with Blixa Bargeld [1/2]
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:10:34 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

> 
> I saw them back in 1984. Possibly one of the loudest concerts I've ever been to,
> maybe with the exception of My Bloody Valentine. Lots of screeching, banging, 
> slamming, and pounding, but overall a pretty safe show. No fire or destruction
> as far as I can remember
> 
> At their show the night before, in another Swedish town, one of the members in the
> band threw a Molotov cocktail into crowd, which slightly burned some guy.
> 

thats the kinda stuff I want to see, I hope they havent calmed down too much.  
Molotov cocktail hahah poor guy who got hit by it, but if no one was hurt that 
would have been great...  

The Fiend
From: sgrant@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Sally Grant)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: techno - industrial?
Date: 28 Jan 93 12:57:50 GMT
Reply-To: sgrant@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Sally Grant)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


Excuse my ignorance, but by asking is the only way I can hope to become
less ignorant...

Is there a difference between techno and industrial? Can anyone recommend
some good examples of either one or both (ie bands).
If what this type of music is what I believe it to be, I like it and
want to hear some more!

Thanks,

sally g
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:54:42 CST
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: New Compilation
 <ben.727637003@ipoint>


In article <ben.727637003@ipoint>, thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox) says:
>
>>       Of course, _I_ like monster trucks, but I'm not interested in them
>>as vehicles. Musical instruments, on the other hand...:)
>
>I'm sure Jim "Foetus" Thirlwell likes them a lot, too.

...especially when they're drawn by Japanese _manga_ artists,as on the cover of
_Male_,of course. >:)
>
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Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:50:18 -0500 
From: Joshua John Buergel <jbbb+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Ren & Stimpy & Industrial Music
	<1jqtjo$bhq@agate.berkeley.edu>

On 23-Jan-93 in Re: Ren & Stimpy & Industri..
user Rajat K. Paharia@ocf.ber writes:
>Now I say:
>What the hell are you talking about?
>A- Raymond Watts is Pig. Pig has no song named Powerhouse.

Right-o.  I wasn't trying to say they did, but this thread got me
really, really confused.  I thought that the person I responded to was
saying that Raymond Scott was Pig, not Raymond Watts.  As it turned out,
it looked like I was saying that "Powerhouse" was a Pig original.

>B- The Garage Monsters/Steroid Maximus did Powerhouse. This was Jim Thirlwell
>   by himself, with artistic help/inspiration by the Pizz (the cover/disc
>   artist). Just Jim and his Macintosh. No Pigs. No Watts.

I think he had some musical collaborators on this, but that's the thing
I was referring to.  I was trying to say that the cover of "Powerhouse"
on the Steroid Maximus CD was originally on the Garage Monsters
album...not that it was a Steroid Maximus original.

>C- Powerhouse is not a Jim Thirlwell original. It's a tune by Raymond Scott,
>   featured in many of the Warner Brothers cartoons. It's old. 
>Now somebody else says:
>(fill in the blank)

Things have gotten really confused on this thread.  I hope I cleared up
what I was trying to say.

Joshua Buergel - allroy@cmu.edu - jbbb@andrew.cmu.edu
"Anybody who thinks we overstepped the playground perimeter of lyrical
decency (or that the public has any right to demand 'social
responsibility' from a goddamn punk rock band) is a pure natural dolt,
and should step forward and put his tongue up my ass." - Steve Albini
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:27:22 -0500 
From: Edward Pak <ep2j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: ..SCORN...

   Can someone tell me what SCORN's VAE SOLIS album sounds like? is it
anything like GODFLESH's stuff....

...............................................................................
.

                           EDDIE....

_______________________________________________________________________________
_

:
From: cmoore@lab3.smcm.edu (Christopher Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: spasmolytic 5song?
Keywords: skin pup
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:18:00 GMT

in the Nettwerk mail order catalog there is a spasmolytic 5-song ep  
offered for $8.50....is this just a typo meaning the common spasmolytic  
4-track cd single?  someone told me there is a cassette version of  
spasmolytic with the 4 cd tracks and a live version of "choralone"....true  
or false?
as a side point, why isn't ogre credited as performing on the tear  
garden's "tired eyes..."?  i know that he and key wrote "the centre  
bullet" as a skinny puppy song (it's on the re-release of bites), and he  
also does vocals on "you and me and rainbows, part three"..
c.morpheus
"like a sonic boom...you're dead"
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: smith@comm.mot.com (Jeff Smith)
Subject: Chris and Cosey: Rise?
Organization: Gagging Sloth Records
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:59:41 GMT

Hey, did Chris and Cosey do a song called "Rise" and if so, what
album is it on?  I was listening to the local industrial show the other
day, and I could swear that this song was announced as being by them,
and having that name, but I have had no luck finding it.
Thanks for any help...

jds

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From: blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Interview with Blixa Bargeld [1/2]
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:26:22 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

ep2j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Edward Pak) writes:

> hey all you people in JERSEY, doesn't BOB WESTFALL (the interviewer) own
> a store, CAFE SOUNDZ - the industrial music only store?


He Does?  Where in NJ is it?

(living in ELMER NJ)

     Dan Reed - blu@cellar.org - AutoCAD Geek -Industrial Music Lover
      68'Cougar, 89'VW Golf, 74'Honda Cb360, 89'Rollerblade Zetras'
  "Anyone can get a gun Otis. You can make a phone call and get a gun."
From: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: delerium
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:05:08 GMT
Reply-To: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford)
Organization: The University Of Edinburgh - Department Of Computer Science

And lo, robkat@west.darkside.com (Robkat, BOYEEE!) spake unto the masses saying:
> okay, i've never really liked fla and i've tried a delerium disc before 
> and found it half good and half, like fla, boring beyond belief.  but, 
> theoretically speaking, if i were to buy a delerium disc, and, let's say 
> just for the sake of argument that i wanted the 'best' (most interesting? 
> most ambient?  most unlike fla?) delerium cd, which one would it be?

Well, some hint as to which one you tried would have helped but I'd
probably recommend _Syrophenikan_ as the most interesting and either _Stone
Tower_ or _Spiritual Archives_ as the most ambient. The latter is
particularly good if you're heavily into monks and is probably the less
structured of the two. Most unlike FLA? Kinda difficult to say, since I
don't consider most of their material very close to FLA. It'd be easier to
say that _Morpheus_ and _Euphoric_ are the ones that have most in common
with the FLA sound. The other all have a flavour of their own.

-- 
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	  Department Of Computer Science, The University of Edinburgh
   Rm 1410, JCMB, Kings Buildings, Mayfield Rd, EDINBURGH, EH9 3JZ, Scotland
	     Tel: +44 (0) 31 650 5165  Fax: +44 (0) 31 667 7209
From: 6anthony_m@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Interview with Blixa Bargeld [1/2]
Date: 27 Jan 93 08:38:52 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <C1FyJs.6Cw@well.sf.ca.us>, edklein@well.sf.ca.us (Ed Klein) writes:
> 
> Just curious:  after reading the interview transcript, do you get the
> impression that those two interviewers are a couple of idiots?  They seemed
> very unprepared for the whole thing, and it felt like all they really wanted
> to do was "hang out" with Blixa and make smalltalk with him, instead of
> finding out interesting things about Blixa and his band.  Blixa seemed
> pretty bored himself.  Is that the way it really sounded, and who are these
> people anyway?
> 

Yeah the two interviewers are clueless.  One is a techno dj at a local college 
and the other is his girlfriend.  I called up after they played the interview 
and told him next time he has someone like that to interview to announce 
beforehand so that the listeners can call up and tell him some good questions 
to ask.  He didnt think that was a good idea... we got into an argument, and 
after insulting him and his girlfriend he hung up on me.  
such is life...

i just hope he still plays the second part :)

The Fiend  
From: arf@otter.hpl.hp.com (Andrew Farmer)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:18:43 GMT
Subject: Re: MBM sample IDs wanted
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial


In rec.music.industrial, pdm@ucrmath.ucr.edu (paul moore) writes:

>    I found a copy at Blockbuster.  Very bad 70's sci-fi comedy with 
> the following lines taken:

>    "Mark at 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, drop.  Drop.  DROP!!!"
>    "How do you know you exist"
>    [possibly the female voice saying "look and listen"]
>    "Think we'll find any real inteeligent life out there?  Who cares."
>    "Let there be light"  [70's idea of a computerized voice]

	(From memory) I would have thought that dialogue was
 from "Dark Star"...you know, the one with the existential 
 bomb, who finally decided his purpose is to explode and
 does so after saying "Let there be light..."

	arf
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: marc@csi.on.ca (Marc Sherman)
Subject: Re: LPD Mailing list
Reply-To: msherman@zeus.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: Carp Systems International
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:44:04 GMT

In <1jl693$2la@agate.berkeley.edu> curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin) writes:

>For the situationally-impaired, could someone please inform us
>where this list is?

lpd = Legendary Pink Mailing List = cloud-zero@stolaf.edu

That address works, as my messages to the list have been seen by
members of the list.  However, my messages to cloud-zero-request,
supposedly the list-server, have all been ignored.

Sing while you may!  Klenezhh Berzerk!


-- 
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msherman@zeus.uwaterloo.ca | Die Welt ist gemutlich mit die Kasewaffe!
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Subject: Re: where'd she go?
Originator: ben@ipoint
Reply-To: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Organization: Ancient Illuminated Sears of Bavaria
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:29:23 GMT

feygin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin) writes:

>H5FK <H5FK@UNB.CA> writes:
>}   i was directed here by a person named ramona.  at the risk of
>} sounding really lame, i assume that's a girls name or the name of an
>} extremely unfortunate guy.  my point is that whoever it was they
>} were neat and i want them to write me again if they don't mind.
>} maybe we could get a friendship going here.

lmn52210@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

>take this to alt.personals

Yes, please do.

--
Ben Cox
thoth@uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: mason@netcom.com (Mason Jones)
Subject: Re: Cop Shoot Cop/ Sister Machine Gun
Organization: Charnel House
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:46:30 GMT

jlitchfi@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Jon Litchfield) writes:
: 
: I wasn't about to spend megabucks on "unknown" bands, so I bought CSC's single
: "Suck City", 'cause it seemed more of an ep than a single. I don't really know
: what I was expecting, but it wasn't a bass/guitar/drums/vocals band. The liner
: says that there's a guy whose sole job is "tapes and samples", but I didn't
: hear much of those. I guess I was expecting somthing more..."industrial". Any 
: comments on the sound of their albums compared to this single?  

Yeah, it's too bad you picked that single up first, because it's the worst
thing they've done. My guess is that it got released because when they got
signed to Interscope their label rep said they needed to dig up some
leftovers to release something right away. Skip it.

Their other releases are:

	"Headkick Facsimile" LP
	   Some of these tracks are on the "Consumer Revolt" CD, while
	   a few others haven't shown up anywhere else (such as "Cry On
	   Elizabeth"). Japanese release, out of print.
	"Piece, Man" 7-inch
	   Rawer versions of a few tracks (like "Disconnected 666")
	   which showed up on "Consumer Revolt" and some others which
	   haven't been re-issued. Limited edition, with real pig's
	   blood spattered on the sleeve, out of print.
	"Consumer Revolt" CD
	   Originally on Circuit Records, which went under; it's been
	   re-issued with a new cover and a couple of extra tracks by
	   Big Cat. Superb, raw-sounding bass/drum/sampler stuff, it's
	   got a stronger sound than "Suck City," definitely.
	"White Noise" CD
	   On Big Cat, this follows logically from CR. It's a bit more
	   produced, and some of the songs are more melodic but no less
	   powerful, I'd say. I find that perhaps "Consumer Revolt" has
	   slightly more inventiveness, but that the song-writing is
	   unmistakeably better on "White Noise." Take your pick. The
	   lyrics are brilliant, frankly. "So they told us what you
	   wanted/rebellion at a low low price..."

Try one of the CDs and I think you'll be more impressed than you were
with "Suck City." It's not a bad release, but it's not very special
compared to the others. I've got it since I'm a completist, but aside
from that I was disappointed. Their new track on the "Mesomorph
Enduros" compilation is brilliant again, though, so that bodes well
for the future. I strongly recommend seeing them live if you get
the opportunity, too, they're pretty strong live.


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From: maus@terapin.com (Steeeeeve Butowick)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: RE: that last post of mine
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:28:31 PST
Organization: BBS

er, well actually, I think I may have given the wrong impression...
C + C's noise isn't really hellish enough to be good, and their ambient stuff
isn't very weird...
but oh well
From: uelmenm@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: negativland & re: Make Sampling . . .
Date: 23 Jan 93 22:21:23 GMT
Organization: Georgetown University

This is embarassing - did I really read someone referring to rap as 
"(c)rap" and insisting that hip-hop is "NOT MUSIC"?  And not a single 
response called the author on this?  Shame, shame, shame!  Someone 
needs to shake their booty in a major way.  I like to think of myself 
as being above the current level of racial politics, but this is 
really inexcusable - do some people have a hard time accepting the 
fact that most black music is consistently more technologically advanced 
than most white music?

	  But let's skip the didactics - I have a question regarding
Negativland.  This may only be answerable by those from the bay area:  What is
 the connection between the radio show "Over the Edge" on KPFA and Negativland?
I was listening to late-nite radio around New Year's and heard some
brilliant stuff:  a "DJ" was mixing in random soundbites, an old radio 
play (based on a Ray Bradbury story, I believe), old Kool&the Gang 
grooves, a bizarre Casey Kasem parody, and live call-ins. It was 
brilliant, and unmistakably Negativland.  (reference was made to the 
UMN)  What's up here?  Is this just one member of Negativland, a 
collaboration, the group's new outlet after their legal muzzling?  I'm 
quite curious.  I also have that broadcast on DAT if anyone's 
interested.   
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: pa_aml@dec17.coe.northeastern.edu (Andrew Lewis)
Subject: Re: |\| | |/| - fixed, is it history??
Organization: College of Engineering, Northeastern University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:59:33 GMT

Jester:  i bet I could get 10 copies by Saturday for between 4.99 and 5.99 
each....