Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Clinton's S.S. (was National Police Force)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:12:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.212745.16974@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) writes:
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>In <92Aug14.152847edt.98@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> Yuanhui Liu states:
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>|>In <92Aug14.134331edt.118@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> Yuanhui Liu states:
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>|>|Disarming some assault-rifle touting ultra-right religious fanatics
>|                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|>|and put them in concentration camps seems to be a good idea.
>|>
>|>No shit; you would put "ultra-right religious fanatics" into 
>|>"concentration camps" for the simple state of being so?
>
>|Please quote the entire sentence.  
>
>Interesting difference in cultures we have; you consider that being
>"assault-rifle touting" is something awful that alters whether an "ultra-
>right religious fanatic" should be placed in a "concentration camp."
>
[......]

In that case, you must welcome open immigration of Iranian
Revolutionary guards.  Don't worry, keep your assault rifle
in self defence, you'll need it.  
Oh, what's the matter, they should be kept out of the country?  
why?  they are just a bunch of assault-rifle touting religious
fanatics.  or you've got a problem with non-christian fanatics?   

 
>In modern times, the Jews of the Anti-Defamation League have sought
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Oh great!  There is a definite need of importing the Revolutionary
Guards and the Republican Guards now.  "Swine!  Who caused the downfall
of the Fatherland in 1918?"  Sounds familiar?  
 
>to pass what they call "anti-paramilitary" training bills because
>they have exhibited the exact mindset you have; they have had varying
>degrees of success. Unfortunately, Illinois is one of the states they
>have had success in passing such legislation.
>
>The NRA is now on record opposing such ADL inspired assaults on the
>Second Amendment.
>
>|>I'm sure glad I don't live in Canada.
>|I am sure.  You will miss home dearly for the lack of automatic gunfire  
>|and police sirens at night.  Moving to Bosnia/Somaila is recommended.   
>
>I don't hear the sound of automatic gunfire at night; I do hear pistol
>shots frequently, which is the sound of people defending themselves

And why there is no automatic gunfire?  Does this has anything to
do with the ban on assault weapons?  

>down the streets. Sirens? No sir; it is quite rare to hear a police
>sirens where I live. "Bosina/Somaila" is an excellent place for Canadians
>to practice the fine art of being Numero Uno target.
>
And our Canadian peacekeepers/red cross workers are so grateful 
about all that weapons CIA shipped to the somalians decades ago.  
Hey, they still works.  don't you think the Yugoslavs should all 
be admitted to NRA for their excellent tradition of bearing arms 
to defend themselves?  What fine examples for millions of rednecks 
and weekend warriors on this continent.  

>Oddly enough, in Gun Control Central, New York City, if you take one
>those brainwashed folks and place them in a rural environment, they
>become... frightened. The Wall Street Journal several weeks ago had
>a front page human interest story on this phenomenon...
>
I lived in New York City for 5 years, I rode the subways, I sat
in the city parks, I saw lots and lots of guns, cops, crooks, 
drug dealers, pan-handlers, car window washers.  I will have
problems recognizing farm animals and frightened by some of them,
no unless you show me your collection of M-1B Abrams I will not
be frightened in a rural environment(that and tell me to 
milk a cow)   

>|The Redneckish tone in my original post is only in response
>|to the pathetic comparison between the National Socialists of Weimar
>|Republic and the Democrats of USA.  :-)   
>
>In Chicago, this comparison is not without merit. In Chicago, our
>"ONE PARTY" system rolls over basic human rights like a steel roller
>flattening Mr. Bill. The City Council has passed spray paint bans,
>bans on peacible assembly, bans on new handguns, bans on assault rifles,
>bans on magazines holding over twelve rounds. It is part of acceptible
>police procedure to shoot suspects handcuffed and running away. 
[lots of stuff about Chicago deleted...]

Pal, I came from a one-party country.  I know a one party system,
I lived in a one party system, and let me tell you something,
US cities are not under a one-party system!  

>in an excessive-force case, shot his lawyer, Micheal Friedman, to
>death. The Associated Press said witnesses to the shooting quoted
>Sinclair as saying, "Attorneys have ruined the world," "Attorneys
>have done enough damage to the people," and "Now is the day of justice.""

I assume this is another example of yours to argue that the society
should allow everyone to own guns, whenever there is trouble,
don't worry, just shoot the bad guy, and then ride into the sun-set
just like John Wayne used to do.  
[Background music...gun-packing cowboy kills absolutely everybody
in the scene...the surviving chick falls in love with him, they
ride into the desert to start a great civilization...]