From: CASK@CATCC.BITNET (Stephen J. Kotchen)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.deaf-l
Subject: FIST SHAKING IN THE AIR
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:14:30 GMT
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> "Stephen J. Kotchen" <CASK@CATCC.BITNET> writes:
> >
> >  I absolutely, without questions, agree that Deaf can do anything, but
> >hear.  Based on my experiences at Liberty University, I've been trying
> >to participate with sports such as Football, Baseball, or Softball.  The
> >Hearing society told me that I cannot play since I cannot hear.  This is
> >ridiculous.  It sounds like that hearing people can play football,
> >baseball, or softball with blindfold.
>
> 	You mean they told you that if you were blind, you'd be allowed
> to play? That sounds like what you were saying... I can't imagine anyone
> being that silly.
>

   You still don't get it yet.









> >Thomas Edison inventing light bulb, Beethoven's excellent pieces,
>
> 	Nobody said that inventing a light bulb is something that
> is defined by one's ability to hear. Where did you get that one from?
> 	Beethoven could hear for many years before he was deafened.
> PLEASE don't tell me that if he was deafened since birth he would
> have been able to compose the pieces he did. You can't write music
> if you've never heard it. He worked entirely from his memory of what
> music sounded like (and whatever residual hearing he had).
>
> >You and your
> >people still believe that deaf cannot do anything.
>
> 	Who said "cannot do anything"? I believe only the phrase
> "cannot do some things" was used, which is pretty much true. There
> are a FEW HEARING-RELATED things that one cannot do if one cannot
> hear. Football is not one of them, nor did anyone *here* claim it
> was.
>
>
> >Maybe you should check
> >under the rug to see if your brain is there.  When will you and your
> >people finally get up from your ass and look under the rug?
>
> 	I don't want to look under my rug. I think the ferret's
> kicked more (clean) kitty litter under there than I want to know
> about. :) There's really no need to get rude. Especially to me.
> I believe all I did was point out the difference between a DISABILTY
> and a HANDICAP which, albeit less fanatically and more politely,

> was basically supportive of your view. I'd appreciate an apology.
>

 I'm not going to waste a pint of breath to apologize.

BEFORE I get more nastier, I'd like to know what your definition
in "Deaf is permanently DISABLED".   Do you mean that Deaf is
permanently DISABLED to hear or functions in hearing society?
I get the impression that phrase "Deaf is permanently Disabled"
means that deaf is born loser.

>
> >    For example, when I was in Liberty University, one woman came up to
> >me and ask me "How can you understand people sign in television?"
>
> 	How exactly are you parsing this sentence? Especially the part
> about "people sign". Is that "How can you understand people who sign
> on TV?" or "How can you understand people who don't sign on TV?" or
> what?

(Sigh) For the millionth times: She said "How can you understand people
who signs on TV."  Obviously, she thinks that I cannot understand
sign language on TV.

> >You hearing people who called us Deaf and Dumb  look at what I have just
> >told you.
>
> 	Hate to burst your righteous bubble here, but the phrase "Deaf
> and Dumb" comes from when there was very little oralism for the deaf
> and deaf people were basically mute. "Dumb" is a synonym for "mute".

Congratulation!!!!  You've received Roy Miller's Award for excellence
in defining "Dumb" in 1920.  The definition of "Dumb" in 1992 means
"unable to learn anything"   You should know that.   If not, I'm not
surprise that you're shutted in your own house for quite a while.

> Fetch a thesaurus and look it up if necessary.

No, Thanks!  I'll let my dog fetch the thesaurus for me.

>
> --
> 	" ...dealing with Free-Net makes me very angry  | Heather "Moose"
> and gives me thoughts of breaking things and torturing  | Garvey, Biochem 93'
> small animals. "   --  Bruce Ikenaga <bxi@po.cwru.edu>  | <hlg@po.cwru.edu>

If you still can't get it, you will be automatically labelled
"LISTEN-IMPAIRED"; Therefore, you are permanently DISABLED!!!!!! ;-)

-Stephen King in Anti-Deaf Perspective Vomit
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