HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jleung@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (A St. Xavier alum)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Caprice,Crown Vic/G Marquis or Buick LeSabre?
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:48:08 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

In article <1992Dec11.205226.24758@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund) writes:
>In article <Bz26zr.7HH@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jleung@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (A St. Xavier alum) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec9.202837.5251@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund) writes:
>>>In article <ByzA03.7KF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jleung@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (A St. Xavier alum) writes:
>>>>In article <697@dwp.la.ca.us> tim@dwp.la.ca.us (Tim Mortensen) writes:
>>>>>In article <ByvAp3.9t9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> acarson1@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Adam Nicholas Carson) writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Fuck the Caprice, Fuck the Lesabre, Fuck the Marquis and the Crown Vic,
>>>>>>Fuck American luxoboats! D.Segal
>>>>>We'll see who gets fucked when you hit one.
>>>>>-- 
>>>>>\ _
>>>>>0 0   Tim Mortensen
>>>>> (
>>>>>\__   tim@manta.dwp.la.ca.us
>>>>
>>>>Excuse me, Mr. Mortensen.
>>>
>>>is it your lack of education or inability to verbalize without the use
>>>of vulgarities to emphasize a point that causes you to use the 'term'
>>>(for unlawful carnal knowledge) as a noun, pronoun, verb, adverb, etc
>>>in your vocabulary - I'm sure there is(are) some other word(s) that
>>>you could have used that were less scatalogical......B-)
>>>
>>i-- 
>>Now now, we should be more careful when rebuking others for the use of
>>inappropriate/vulgar language.  Had you been more careful, you would
>>have come to the realization that I posted the "Excuse me Mr. Mortensen"
>>message, whereas someone ELSE posted the message with the vulgarities!
>>Shame on you!  Be more attentive!   :-)
>>
>but I thought I had, afterall I left the '>' in front of the
>">Excuse me Mr. Mortenson..." - I thought it so well stated that
>I simply had to use it as part of my response.....B-)
>
What a pleasant response!  A breath of fresh air in a sea of black! 
Alas!  If we could all be a bit more delicate!  :-)
>-- 
>________________       __        ________________   "They that can give up
>\_________      \     /_ \      /      _________/  essential liberty to 
> \_________      \_____/  \____/      _________/  obtain temporary safety
>  \___________________      __________________/  deserve neither liberty 
>                     /______\                   nor safety."  
>ALL disclaimers apply ....                           --Benjamin Franklin
>
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: How to fight AAA?
Date: 18 Dec 92 23:41:43 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <1992Dec18.165256.23773@mips2.ma30.bull.com>, K.Buck@ma30.bull.com 
(Ken Buck) writes:
> the problem is that unless you can show otherwise, the ins. co.
> assumes your car is in "average" condition and is worth an "average"
> price.  so you need to be able to _document_ in some way that the
> car is "better than average."  things like pictures, receipts, mileage,
> etc., help out in this quest.


Please note that I said 

>If you can
>demonstrate that $3000 will not return you to the condition you were
>in prior to the accident then contact the State Insurance Board and
>raise Hell.

I meant that.  you must be able to prove your contention to get more.  I am also not saying anything
about whether this person's car is worth anymore than they are offering him.


Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com or 74616.2237@compuserve.com
SHO  GOZE
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: SHO Electrical Troubles
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:06:16 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <1992Dec16.133236.20024@hubcap.clemson.edu>, Chuck@clemson.edu 
(Chuck Heck) writes:
> I'd check the following:
> 	1)  The circuit to turn signal stalk.  Connect an ohmmeter across it and 
make
> sure that you get a variable resistance as you turn the wiper control knob. 
> There is a potentiometer in the turn signal arm that presents a variable
> resistance to the wiper control module.
> 	2)  Check the current draw on the motor.  Disconnect the wiring harness 
from 
> the motor.  Also disconnect the wiper drive arm from the motor assembly.  
> Connect the motor directly to the battery and use an ammeter to measure the
> current draw.  It should not exceed 3.5 amps.
> 	3)  If #1 and #2 check out, replace the wiper control module.  You'll 
find it 
> under the dash near the middle, on a dashboard support member.


Thanks for the suggestion.  I now have an additional problem:

MY SHO failed its smog check yesterday.  The egr switch is faulty.
Should I bother fighting it out with Ford?

Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com or 74616.2237@compuserve.com
SHO  GOZE
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: K.Buck@ma30.bull.com (Ken Buck)
Subject: Re: How to fight AAA?
Reply-To: K.Buck@ma30.bull.com
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:52:56 GMT
Originator: buck@granite.ma30.bull.com

In article <15991@auspex-gw.auspex.com> tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) writes:
>They are under contract with you to return you to the condition
>you were in before the accident occured.  Very simple.  If you can
>demonstrate that $3000 will not return you to the condition you were
>in prior to the accident then contact the State Insurance Board and
>raise Hell.

er, it's not always (usually?) quite that "simple"...

the problem is that unless you can show otherwise, the ins. co.
assumes your car is in "average" condition and is worth an "average"
price.  so you need to be able to _document_ in some way that the
car is "better than average."  things like pictures, receipts, mileage,
etc., help out in this quest.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg)
Subject: Re: New car advice WANTED
Originator: brad@buck
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:15:58 GMT


In article <1992Dec11.114439.2506@merrimack.edu>, moscaritolos@merrimack.edu writes:
|> I am out of college in the next year or so and I have been thinking about
|> buying a new car....What I have been looking at are the new Jeep Wranglers,
|> the new Pontiac Grand Am's, and the Buick Reatta's.  Could you guys tell me
|> what you know about these babies...especially if someone owns one...
|> 
The Reatta is out of production. Base price was in the upper 20's. If
you can find a new one left over, you may be able to make a very good
deal. They have the 165HP 6 cylinder, automatic tranz, and a digital 
dash (maybe they changed this?). These are nice cars, one of the best 
design concepts to come out of GM in quite some time, but they were 
overpriced, mistargeted, and they seem to suffer from quality control 
problems.

If you're interested, there is a red Reatta convertible which has been
sitting in the showroom of the Buick dealer on route 9 east in Natick
(or one of those towns around there) for a very long time (perhaps a
year or more). They parked it outside in the Spring and Summer, but
these days it's always inside. They might be quite frantic about selling 
this thing. Check it out.

- BK
From: tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: safety questions-sedan vs. wagon
Date: 15 Dec 1992 23:30:07 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: cairo

rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo) writes:
> 
> Are there any safety differences between sedans
> and station wagons (same car- for instance,
> Camry sedan vs Camry wagon, or Accord sedan
> vs. Accord wagon)?

In general, there is little difference for front or side impacts,
assuming the cars share bodywork (which the Camry and Accord sedans
and wagons do).  Rear impacts might be different, since the crumple
zone may not work the same in a wagon as in a sedan.

The principal problem with station wagons are things that go flying
around the passenger compartment in an accident.  I heard somebody
was killed when struck in the head by her typewriter, which had been
in the back of her station wagon before a freeway pileup.  This is why
many new station wagons come with tie-down points in the rear.  Will
you have the foresight to use them?  If not, get a sedan.
From: ah190@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stuart Pearl)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Flames for GM Body Holes!
Date: 13 Dec 1992 17:10:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


I own a soon to be ex '85 Celebrity station wagon.  Although this rust
ailment appeared on my Chevy, I would suspect that the same problem may
pop up on the Olds, Pontiac and Buick since they have cars of this same
body style.

In the driver and passenger compartment (front) floor wells under the
carpeting, there is a silver dollar size plug right in the sheet metal.
Knock this thin plug out and you've got a view of the street - kind
of like a Flintstone mobile.  Mine were easy to remove since the rust
had nearly destroyed them.  Mind you, this was a car that had been 
rustproofed several times.

What is the purpose of these 2 holes?  Nothing connects to them.  My 
gripe is that I would have had no rust at all in this area had there
not been this break in the sheet metal.  As a result, a good deal of
water slowly leaked in over a period of months, saturating the carpet
padding and ruining the carpetting itself with mold.  This has rendered
the car totally undrivable for my wife who has an extreme mold allergy.

I ended up fabricating some new plastic "plugs" and attaching them with
GE Silicon caulk.  I also managed to dry out the carpet but can't wait
to unload the vehicle.  Anyone have experience with the '92 Mercury 
Sable Wagon - looks like it may be a superior vehicle.

-stu
-- 
                   ---===<<< Stuart Pearl >>>===---
                           Cleveland, Ohio
                      ah190@cleveland.freenet.edu
                         --------------------
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Best undercover car
Date: 13 Dec 1992 18:15:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) says:
>Houston Police Department has several Camaros for highway traffic enforcement
>(complete with those silver 5 spoke rims, your tax dollars at work!), and I've
>seen Harris County sheriff's in the same.  Nothing tops that Jersey Village K9
>unit I've seen.   An open Jeep CJ-7 with all the police trims (paint, decals,
>light bar).  Looks hilarious!  Almost drove off 290 into a ditch when I saw 
>that thing doing 50 in the fast lane...

my home town (mt. vernon) has also the camaero.  Along the lines of the
jeep..the city where i used to go to college had a suzuki samarai with all
the decals, light bar,etc..it was rather amusing too..
DREW
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jkurien@rdrc.rpi.edu (James Kurien)
Subject: Ford 4x4 Opinions Sought
Keywords: 4x4 opinions
Organization: Rensselaer Pencilneck Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:36:20 GMT

 Hi all.
	I am looking for a truck, and was wondering 
	if anyone out there has any opinions on Ford four wheel 
	drive vehicles, preferably in the 1985-1990 range,
	especially the Bronco and Bronco II.  I'd also be 
	interested in what type of mileage people get, as I'm
	totally clueless as how four wheel drive affects this.
	
	Though I'm sure other mfrs put out good products, I'm
	specifically interested in Fords, as I have one already,
	and it's lasted 200K miles. So, if you've always been 
	dying to get your opinion out, here's a chance to warn 
	or encourage another buyer.
	
	Please respond directly to jkurien@rdrc.rpi.edu or 
	jkurien@ibm.watson.com   If anyone cares I'll post a summary.

	Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: WHAT GM to Buy?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 04:14:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.025053.1@vax.sonoma.edu> oberland@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>I need help.
>
>My father has a friend who is in her 70's(should be around for 10-15 more
>years, though).  She wants a nice car.
>Problems:
>She will only consider GM cars.
>V-6 is a plus
>Luxury cars are OUT, as she wants to spend as little as possible.
>Small cars are out as well, a are sporty cars(she's no rece-car driver,
>BUT she still drives competantly.
>
	Maybe a LeSabre, or a Park Avenue, depending on $$ concerns.
	Even a Regal sedan.  Olds 88 or 98 too.

>She needs a vehicle that will last 10 years, or about as long as she will.
	The LeSabre/Park Avenue/Regal have high JD Power Ratings.

>
>15-18K is an acceptable range.(not including tax and such)ie:price without
>a ton of options/avg price
	I think the LeSabre/Regal fit.
>
>Anti-lock brakes and Air-bag are a MAJOR plus to her.
>
>Must be able to get out of its own way, but no hot-rod.
>
>Any suggestions?(I told her to get an import or a 1-2 year old Volvo sedan)
>She won't buy an import, and won't buy anything but GM.
>
>Thanks, and I need ideas before the 24th(vax here goes down for 2 weeks).
>Joe
	No problem.

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.autos,hotrod@dixie.com,alt.autos.rod-n-custom
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: classic rods
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 20:29:05 GMT

In article <1gkrc2INN468@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> kreibema@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Michael A Kreiberg) writes:
>Does anyone have an interest in the older automobile?
>
>I have a '56 chevy truck and a myriad of performance parts and accesories  
>from the 60's
>Including a complete 1967 350hp corvette motor.
>
>I would love to see more postings involving this era

I'm responding to you and also including the above mailing lists, etc
so they can respond to you too, or you can contact them...


-- 
________________       __        ________________   "They that can give up
\_________      \     /_ \      /      _________/  essential liberty to 
 \_________      \_____/  \____/      _________/  obtain temporary safety
  \___________________      __________________/  deserve neither liberty 
                     /______\                   nor safety."  
ALL disclaimers apply ....                           --Benjamin Franklin
From: holowczk@rwja.umdnj.edu (Richard Holowczak)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Entry-Level Programmer position, NYC, financial services
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:49:24 GMT
Organization: Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, Piscataway NJ

bolman@cor.uucp (Cor management) writes:

>A Major money center bank seeks a recent graduate with school and/or work 
>experience programming in C under SUN/OS.  Your degree should be a BS in 
>CS, EE, Math; from a top schools with a decently high GPA.  
>Your interests should be to apply your progrsamming skills in th 
>management and trading of securities.
>I'm sorry, there will be no sponsoring, no relocation or interview 
>expenses provided.
>Contact:  COR Management Services, 420 Lexington Ave., NY  NY 10170
>or fax to 212-599-3048

        Would you want to work for a company that advertises in the
        rec.autos newgroup who is represented by a company that can't
        spell?    Give me a break!  Get the hell out of this
        newsgroup you idiots!


        I guess I'm bitter cause my progrsamming skills are not quite
        up to snuff.


R.H.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dak@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (David Kardelis- I am the NRA)
Subject: Toppers for F150
Reply-To: dak@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu
Organization: High Energy Physics, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:28:39 GMT

	I am looking for a topper for a F150 Pickup.
Anyone have recommendations on brands, types,style?. 
What to look for if buying used?  What can I expect to 
pay for a topper.
					dave
==========================================================================
   David Kardelis		| I am the NRA-NRA Life
   Gradual Student in Physics   |
   Univ. of Ilinois		|	Looking for a new .SIG
   dak@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu	|
   217-333-0505			|
Not necessarily the views of the ISSC or the UI At UC
From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Bought a 93 Civic LX 4-door....(long post)
Date: 16 Dec 1992 23:58:18 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Keywords: Ransom for the buyer's order........

In article <1gnqc0INNgtc@menudo.uh.edu> rao@tree.egr.uh.edu (Jagannatha  Rao) writes:
>
>We wanted to get a decent 4-door small sedan with reasonable options for about  
>$12K + TTL. 
>
>We finally bought a Civic...
>The Civic LX  has moderate power and has many power options which are nice in a  
>sedan (power locks, windows and also cruise).
>
>I agreed to $12048. 

--$12,000 for a Civic LX???  What happened to the Subaru Legacy L+???  It
  is close to the size of an Accord and offers ALL the equipment that 
  the Civic LX has, plus the 2.2 Litre 130 bhp engine, as well as a smoother,
  quieter ride, and more room, and, despite what the Honda dealer and Honda
  owners will tell you, it is every bit as reliable in the long run.  
  Because the Legacy lists for more to begin with, the Civic LX and the
  Legacy L+ should have similar resale value down the road.

--And, on top of it all, you could have bought a superior car from a dealer
  that is DYING to sell you a Legacy for $12,000, instead of dealing with
  a bunch of snotty Honda salespeople that you have to wrestle with to get
  the Civic for $12,000.

--Aamir Qazi


-- 

Aamir Qazi
qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
--Why should I care?  I'd rather watch drying paint.
From: hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Cited again!(kinda)
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:38:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Dec15.102642.1@bronco.fnal.gov>, colombo@bronco.fnal.gov writes:
|> In article <1992Dec14.224742.7824@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Adam Edwards) writes:
|>> -Had a nice 'run in' with a police officer yesterday afternoon.
|>> I was driving on 390N just South of Rochester, 4 of us in my black
|>> T-Bird.  Traffic was moving very briskly, close to 70 I'd say.
|>> I was in the left lane, creeping by cars to my right, when I pulled
|>> up behind a white Mercury Grand Marquis.  It was stock looking,
|>> save the visible rear stabilizer(larger), and was totally unmarked.
|>> No lights on the rear deck, no antennae, etc.  The teardrop spotlight
|>> usually tips me off, but this had nothing.
                 [story deleted]
|> I'd report the license plate number to the *REAL* police, just in case.

 I always check the license plate before I pass ANYBODY.  All Texas
 city/county/state cars have the word EXEMPT written over the license
 number.  Always a dead giveaway to "approach with caution". :)

 Other states also have 'special' plates for their offical cars. 

 TRAVIS
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: morton@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Brent Morton)
Subject: Re: Emblems, names and meanings...
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:24:01 GMT

In article <BzFuDM.n1A@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Real Life?!?! HA!!) writes:
>wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii) writes:
>
>>I was just curious where some of the emblems and names from the
>>different manufacturer's come from (Ford is pretty obvious).
>>In these days of "customer recognition" I'm sure that much
>>attention is paid to these cosmetic details. 
>
>BMW's badge is an art-deco stylized spinning propeller, reflecting BMW's
>aviation history.  Again, the only thing that has changed on this badge since
>the 1920's is the style of the block lettering around the top that says BMW.

BMW has used essentially the same symbol right from the company's first car,
the DA 2 version of the 3/15 Dixi, of 1929.

>Audi's badge, five rings, symbolizes the five original corporations that were
>amalgamated to form Auto Union : Horch, DKW, Wanderer, and two others I forget.
>It's stayed the same since whenever Auto Union formed.

Oops! Of course there are only four rings on an Audi. No wonder you couldn't
remember two more! The fourth firm of Auto Union, formed in 1932, was Audi.

>VW's "VW" emblem has been around forever, and I think the "Wolfsburg" emblem
>you see once in a while is as old as the company as well.

Volkswagen's largest plant is in Wolfsburg, a town named by the British after
the Second World War. The name is taken from the nearby 14th-century castle,
an image of which appears in the emblem.
The Nazis had called the town built around the VW plant KdF-Stadt. (Kraft
durch Freude, or Strength Through Joy).

>MG's logo (its initials inside an octagon) has stayed the same at least since
>the 1950's.

The initials of Morris Garages first appeared inside an octagon in the summer
of 1924.

>Rolls Royce:  Two R's, the same since the early 1900's.

The Hon. Charles Stewart Rolls and Sir Frederick Henry Royce formed their
well-known firm in 1904.

>Mercedes:  I don't know the origin of the three-pointed star, but it hasn't
>changed since at least the 1920's.

The three-pointed star is the symbol of Daimler; it first appeared around 
1900. Today's logo combines the star with the circular laurel wreath of Benz;
this trademark was formed with the creation of Daimler-Benz AG in June 1926.

-- Brent
morton@artifis.gaul.csd.uwo.ca

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: murray_t@wizard.colorado.edu
Subject: RE: 4x4 Newsgroup
Organization: UMS
Date: 14 DEC 92 14:02:56 MST

What I want to know is how to get on the mailing list!
From: uni@acs.bu.edu (Shaen Bernhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Acura NSX
Date: 20 Dec 92 00:07:16 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

Wanted:

'91 - '92 Acura NSX
5sp  under 10,000 miles prefered.

Immediate cash, U.S. $ or DM.

Serious interests only.

uni@acs.bu.edu

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