HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cward@Think.COM (Christopher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Group Dynamics Review:  Time's Arrow, Part II (*SPOILERS*)
Date: 30 Sep 1992 20:33:54 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Sep29.211037.7114@unlv.edu>, flagg@blind-lemon.cs.unlv.edu (Scott Cunningham) writes:
|> So this time shift tracker, left in 19th century Earth, ends up where?   
|> With the head & watch?  In a horseless carriage?  sorry I'm just feeding  
|> the well worn thread of TA2.  Actually I don't remember lines to the  
|> effect but would assume that Guinan or Twain took care of it.  (but what  
|> did they do with it??)

What happened to the device "is left as an exercise for the student".  Considering it's toxicity, I would guess that Guinan took care of disposing
it.

	-Christopher
From: cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow Part II *SPOILERS*
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:09:45 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <Bv61Er.64z@spock.dis.cccd.edu> markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Julie Bixby) writes:
>In article <1992Sep21.221539.5342@tin.monsanto.com> lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder) writes:
>>*SPOILERS* for Time's Arrow Part II
>
>>
>>I'm still trying to figure out how Geordi made Data's 500-year-old head work
>>so well, considering that it had a 12% degradation in the metal...

Yeah, after they made such a big deal in part 1 about how badly degenerated the
head was!

>>How Mark Twain could see the Enterprise and not ever write it down somewhere
>>in his memoirs...

This was clearly a *fictional* *actual* Mark Twain of an *alternate* time-line,
not the *actual* Mark Twain.  :-)

>Yes, and how the Away Team got their 19th Century clothing so fast (did
>they jump into a store, by chance?

That WAS fast wasn't it?  And I want to know how come all these 19th-century
women were wearing make-up!

Tim
-- 
"I have since learned that words are only as valid as the mind that chooses
them.  To choose too carefully is to become pedantic, closing the imagination to
wider visions, yet to err the other way is to invite anarchy into one's mind."
   -- Christopher Priest, _The Affirmation_
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From: petitc@rs6408.ecs.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Subject: Re: time-travel backwards possible? perhaps
Reply-To: petitc@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:10:29 GMT

Well, I figured out one way it might be possible to go back in time...

Take a vessel, and make a sharp pulse of energy to the ship's hull.  This
pulse would distort space (for a VERY short amount of time) sharply, and the
rebound wound throw the ship backwards with respect to the direction it is
traveling in.

Thing is that the 'direction' that this will affect is time, since only time
is mutually perpendicular to all spatial directions...

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From: lahaye@reg.triumf.ca (RAYMOND GABIN , TRIUMF OPERATIONS)
Subject: Data's Head and the iron filling mystery
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:58:00 GMT


	The story was too unbelievable !!! In TA1, Data and LaForge checked 
out the head, in order to find out if it was Data's or Lore's.  They did not
 find that chunk of iron??? When Geordie reattaches the head on Data's body,
 we see the head cleaned up.  Yet there is still a large piece of iron filling
( and not a wee bit of microscopic hunk!).  Moeover, does Data's head has its
own power supply? If not, how could the captain have entered a binary message
in Data's circuitry ? And I did not think that the captain knew Data's
circuitry so well.  All in all, the situation just does not make any sense. 
Very bad script writing!!!
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From: mwalls@nmsu.edu (Commander Keen)
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow Paradox [spoilers]
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:11:58 GMT

Here's a slight twist on your question that has been bugging me ever
since I saw the show...

Ok, here's how I understand it.  Twain lost his watch during the
opening of the portal.  On the Big E, he picks up his watch that was
left.  When he's back in the 19th century, he starts to take his watch
that he dropped.  Now my question:

WHAT IF???
What if he had taken the watch?  That would mean that he would have 2
watches, right?  But wait...if he took the watch, it wouldn't have
been found on the Big E in the 24th century so he wouldn't have 2
watches, only one.  
So, would the other watch disappear at the instant that he took it?
From: am815@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Peter Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Probe" and "Imzadi"
Date: 5 Oct 1992 12:52:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: am815@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Peter Anderson)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com () says:

>Oh, one other thing.  Libraries generally do tend to stock books when
>they've been on the bestseller list for over a month.  And if your local
>branch doesn't have it, they can usually order it from another branch.
>Takes about a week or two, depending on availability of the book and the
>efficiency of the library.  

I agree - I am a strong backer of libraries, and an inveterate reader of
the Trek Literature - to be honest I almost always buy the paperbacks, but
never the hardbacks (have to draw the line somewhere).  But our library
systems ( a hodgepodge of several county and city systems that allow
cross-borrowing ) in the Twin Cities has just about every Trek book
(hard/paper back).  Sure, you have to look around, and wait sometimes, but
they are easily available for free, if you really want them! 



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From: ericw@hobbes.amd.com (Eric Wedaa)
Subject: Re: MOTP error? <* Spoilers *>
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:24:55 GMT

faurote@crchh484.BNR.CA (Joe Faurote) writes:

><Spoilers ahead>



























































>O.k., Why is it that whenever people age quickly, their hair turns colors as
>well?  Wouldn't it take a long time for the hair color to grow in?  By
>all rights,
>Troi's hair would have had to have been about double in length to turn all to 
>grey.  The same thing when she 'morphed' back to young Troi, I would think that
>her hair would have stayed grey.  I've seen this phenomenon before (i.e. The
>Incredible Hulk :) ) and I've always wondered why the writer's/directors always
>opt for the hair to change back with the person?  Any ideas?

EASY!

Because it doesn't make good TV!

>>Ericw
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From: jjordan@gab.unt.edu (JASON JORDAN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Oh my *GOD* .... is it.... *CONTINUITY*?!?!?!?! (Spoilers)
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:28:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: gab.jjordan.4.717802105
Organization: College of Arts and Sciences

In article <rawdon.717797410@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
>Subject: Re: Oh my *GOD* .... is it.... *CONTINUITY*?!?!?!?! (Spoilers)
>Date: 29 Sep 92 20:10:10 GMT
>In <29SEP199213162212@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> afdenis@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison) writes:
>>Here's one for those who haven't seen Time's Arrow II ...
>
>>Ok, here's another one for those who haven't seen Booby Trap ...
>
>>Ok, here's one more for all the people who agree with Rawdon ... oh, wait a 
>>minute... that one would be wasted. :-)
>
>Yeah, those people (of which there are quite a few this week for those of
>you actually *reading* the group lately!) would probably have given up on
>Dennison posts by now anyway!
>
>:-) :-)
>
>-- 
>Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
>University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI
>
>"Beauty... survives."
>				- James T. Kirk, "That Which Survives"


If you watch _Ensign Ro_ from season 5, you may also notice:



                             Paraprhase Alert

Guinan(to Ro): He (as in Picard) helped me when I was in trouble.


Just my 2cents worth.
             
                                    Jason
From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Glaring Inconsistency (tm) (IMHO) in Time's Arrow Part One
Keywords: Data contraction inconsistency
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:54:39 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University

In article <1992Sep23.163907.19590@athena.mit.edu> johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello) writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.135319.3442@bmerh85.bnr.ca> hurd@bcrks128.bnr.ca (Scott Hurd) writes:
>>Greetings:
>>
>>     I have always had great difficulty accepting the idea that Data is
>>incapable of using contractions.  Even if he is unable to theorize what
>>an appropriate contraction should be, he should be able to learn the most
>>common ones simply as new words (e.g.  "can't" to replace "can not").
>>
>>     When Data is in his hotel room doing the 'inventing thing', and the
>>bellboy brings in the anvil, they both sit down.  The following is slightly
>>paraphrased, but conveys the gist of their conversation...
>>
>>Bellboy:  Wow!  What is all this stuff?  What's it *** gonna *** be?
>>
>>Data:     Well, what do YOU think it is (pause) *** gonna *** be?
>>
>>     Surely "gonna" is a slang contraction of "going to".  Poor English, but
>>nevertheless, a contraction.  
>
>	Well, maybe you're reaching. Data was clearly emulating what
>the bellboy was saying, in order to "fit in" with him, to use his language.
>I don't think it was a slip, since the scene was clearly directed to
>emphasize Data's imitation of the bellboy's phrase (the way Data sort
>of pauses and accents the phrase "gonna be".)
>
>	However, I tend to agree with you. If he can do that, why can't
>he use contractions? Does anyone out there know about the contraction
>rule? How can we explain this? Is it some Asimov positronic-brain thing?
>
>	This isn't the first time this has been broken. There are several
>episodes where Data uses the contraction "I'm", which are probably
>slip-ups.
>
>>If Data is able to learn such colloquial
>>expressions, why can he not learn to say "can't", even if he learns it as a
>>new word which is synonymous to "can not"?  (Or was this simply a slip
>>on the part of the writers?  I doubt this, since there is a slight dramatic
>>pause just before Data actually says "gonna".)
>>
>/****************************************************************************
> Johnny Tello		* Postal Worker: "What's your first name, Mr. Burns?"
> 504 Beacon St, Apt#23. * Homer: "I don't know..."
> Boston, MA 02215       *
>****************************************************************************/
>
Then again, folks, if Data can comprehend or attept to comprehend concepts
such as humor, why can't he use contractions? Even my Mac can do that. It  
seems that this inability to use an obviously human speech device just  does
not make sense, maybe it's one of the writers' personal thing.
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From: jfriday@westmark.Stanford.EDU (The Crazy Archivist)
Subject: Re: FTP Site: ftp.coe.montana.edu
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 14:34:24 GMT

In article <66887@cup.portal.com> Renee@cup.portal.com (Renee Linda Roberts) writes:
>I just logged onto vab02.larc.nasa.gov, and noticed that the STARTREK
>archives are now at ftp.coe.montana.edu. Ok, fine. But they limit the number
>of anonymous users to 1! I have tried all night long, and there has not been
>a time where I could log on.
>
>If the archives are going to be at ftp.coe.montana.edu, then they should
>allow more than one person to access them at a time. It isn't very useful if
>we can't get to it!
>
>Renee Roberts


While 1 user seems almost pointless, I'm sure they would let as many users
as possible onto their site at one time as they could.  Perhaps either
that will change or someone from that site could post something explaining
the situation there.




Paul "Joe Friday" Stacy (not net.police)       Buffalo State College, New York
STACY54@SNYBUFVA.BITNET (Buffalo State College VAX)                JUST THE
jfriday@westmark.stanford.edu (Stanford, California UNIX)       "VAX", MA'AM!
Disclaimer:  This isn't the opinion of the school, police, Chief of Detective
             Staff Brown, Planet Spaceball, Starfleet Command, or the Pentagon.
From: v115p8d6@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (I have a cunning plan...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review:  "Realm of Fear"
Keywords: TNG, Barclay, transporters
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:20:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct5.145916.17919@cci632.cci.com>, tvf@cci632.cci.com (Tom Frauenhofer) writes...
>In article <1aldh0INN8lp@gap.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>>SPOILER
















is this enough room?

> 
>I had no problem with not detecting life forms.  Perhaps they didn't
>have the darn sensor set to look for life forms.  And if they said
>that the engines were still working I didn't hear.
> 
>The biggest problem I had was that four people went into the
>transporter (Riker, Worf, Geordi, and Barclay) and only Barclay was
>(1) infected and (2) the only one to notice the "worms".  And if he
>claims to have seen something during the beaming why couldn't they
>either try beaming someone else to check or build a probe to monitor
>what happens during transport?  They still could have had a story,
>maybe a better one, that's arguable.

I believe that the only reason Barclay was affected is that he was the
only person who went through the transporter when there was that fluctuation
in the transporter beam. If you remember, just before one of the other 
members of the away team beams over, O'Brian tells him to hold a moment
because of a fluctuation. Then he beams him over. The rest of the away
team have no problem. 

Also in both instances of transporting, Barclay is the *last* person to
transport over. This might not make much sense :-) but is it possible
that the transporter beam became unstable during the transportations
and that Barclay was affected because he was the last to go through?

just an idea.:-)
From: morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Shabang's Spoilerless review of TAII
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:22:51 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Just when you thought it was safe - the return of Shabang....

Well, folks, a little late here, but better late then never
The rules - we don't need no stinking rules!  Actually the only rules I 
follow are brevity and spoilerless - just a number from the Shabang-o-meter 
on the most recent episode of ST:TNG.

Let the games begin!

Times Arrow II - Too many gaps, alot of jumping, the Shabang-o-meter 
(patent not even near pending) had a lot of trouble with this one....
Lets give it a 6 (out of 10).  Worth one watching, but you can wash your 
dishes if it is repeated.

Siobahn (Shabang) Morgan
morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu

We really don't like our local Trek Channell - find out why next time...
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From: annie@fatboy.manassas.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: More on Barclay (was Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review:  "Realm of Fear")
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 19:37:19 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In article <96540004@hpcvra.cv.hp.com>, tedb@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Ted Beers) writes:

MST3K = Mystery Science Theatre 3000


-- 
Brenda J. Molina 
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"Die."
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Subject: TA2, Halley's Comet
From: jfeldhouse@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu (Jim Feldhouse)
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:01:26 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: as little as possible

I was willing to forgive the whole Samual Clemens travels
to the 24th century stuff just for the one small comment he
made about Halley's Comet to Troi as he leaves the transporter room.

Sam says says something like, "Have you ever seen Halley's Comet?"

Sam was born when Halley's Comet appear around 1834.
He died when in 1910, when it appeared again.
I doubt he ever got to see.

jim
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From: schwarts@cps.msu.edu (Steven Eric Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Star Trek Chess
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:16:36 GMT
Reply-To: schwarts@cps.msu.edu (Steven Eric Schwartz)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Originator: schwarts@atlantic.cps.msu.edu

Please repost/email me the rules for 3d chess off of the Paradise Press
poster. Thanks.

-- 
Steven Eric Schwartz            "It's not safe out here. It's wonderous, with
(schwarts@cps.msu.edu)           treasures to satiate desires both subtle and
125 East Wilson Hall-MSU         gross.  But it's not for the timid."
East Lansing, Michigan  48825                           - Q, "Q Who"
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From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: Re: _war drums_ confirms
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 20:28:00 EST

In article <1992Sep25.2186.1161@execnet>
"paul shannon" <paul.shannon@execnet.com> writes:
 
 
Paul, I appreciate your comments, particularly since they are from
someone on the "other side of the fence" but I cannot help but be
skeptical.
 
I am not a writer by any stretch of the imagination but I can comment
as a reader (and an avid one at that) owning several thousand books
including all of the ST novels, even the Bantams from the 70s (I'm
not particularly fond of the Fotonovels or the Scotty's inner secrets
of the Enterprise so I didn't purchase them)
 
I find three primary problems in statements which have come from the
ST:novel areas:  1) material has been presented to the nets /c
suggestions for those "interested in submitting manuscripts" and including
things like "no more surprise character offspring", "limiting time travel",
"the fate of the universe hangs in the balance because of some
principle of physics", etc. ; i.e. 90% of the current plots Pocket has
used so far.  2) some of the books have stated (as have the nets)
that Pocket has scripts planned out for years in advance.  If that's the
case, you would have been more discriminating before now.  3)  the
phrase below stating "the quality should improve in the next few years"
*snicker*  so we should continue purchasing mediocrity waiting for
Pocket to fulfill this dream?
 
Suggestion:  rather than try to harvest a cash cow by releasing
so-so books once a month like clockwork (except for the noted
bombs like _Probe_ et al) and like the romance pulp fiction mills,
you'd be far better off in the long run (and have many more fans)
if you'd release better novels once a quarter or so much like
they were in the beginning.  The early novels were poor, but infrequent.
The current novels are poor, but frequent.  What's improved to demonstrate
D. Stern isn't brain dead?  Higher frequency?
 
I soapbox on this frequently:  regardless of PAD's writing quality, his
plots have one majour flaw:  they are *too* predictable.  I've maintained
before (and continue to do so):  there are *no* surprises in his books
past page sixty.
 
A woeful fan who will stop blabbering @ this point knowing it hasn't
accomplished anything and won't help by writing more.
 
[nothing new beyond this point.  the parts i found "amusing" are what
i left for reference purposes]
 
>Take it from me, Dave Stern is not brain dead -- without Dave the Trek
>books would be in a lot worse shape than they are now.  Does anyone
>remember the books from the early 80's and how bad they were.  Dave
>turned the whole program around, recruiting authors like Mike Friedman,
>Carmen Carter, and Peter David.  He's a good editor and a pretty good
>musician too.
 
>The Trek books should be getting better in the next few years.  In the
>past, we had a manuscript crunch with too little "good" stuff to fill
>out the schedule.  This has changed and we can now afford to be a little
>more discriminating.
From: whelan@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu (John T. whelan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: problems with Times' Arrow prt. 2
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:09:43 GMT
Distribution: usa

ehamrick@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Eric N Hamrick) writes:

>Jason R. Pascucci
>jasonp@primerd.prime.com writes:

>>I wasn't paying close enough attention, so it's quite possible
>>that Beverly and Riker were making Shakespeare-sounding dialog.

	Don't think so.  I know at least that Riker's line (as Oberon)
"Ill-met by moonlight..." is from Shakespeare's "A Midsummer Night's
Dream".

>     Heck, they have worlds greatest card-shark in the group,Data, so why
> worry about a play? :)

	Not to mention Riker, the man who taught him everything he knows...
						John Whelan
--
	"Do you know what Freud said about dreams of flying?
	 It means you're really dreaming about having sex."
	"Indeed?  Tell me then, what does it mean when
	 you dream about having sex?"  -- Sandman #15
From: mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Gertz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review:  "Realm of Fear"
Keywords: TNG, Barclay, transporters
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:49:10 GMT
Organization: Dept. of ECE, The Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Oct5.163754.1363@ncsu.edu> rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu writes:
>
>Forgive me for my ignorance, but, who is Timothy Lynch?

We made him up.  Various folk on the net contribute to the "Timothy Lynch"
persona (surely you didn't think that one person *alone* could generate all
those posts and synopses?  And the idea of having a cat named Pandora?
C'mon...).

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) x 1000...
-- 
Matt Gertz, mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu
Dept. of ECE, The Robotics Institute at Carnegie Mellon University.
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "Time's Arrow, Part II"
Keywords: TNG, Data, head, time-loops
Date: 28 Sep 92 02:26:32 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <5226@sumax.seattleu.edu> ecunha@sumax.seattleu.edu (Erik Cunha) writes:
>In article <1a2lihINNfbm@gap.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>>WARNING:  The following post contains critical spoiler information regarding 
>>the sixth-season premiere of TNG, "Time's Arrow, Part II".  Those not wishing
>>to have already seen spoiler information at the time of viewing are advised to 
>>remain clear at this time.

>>As I said before, there are good and bad things here.  Perhaps I just wasn't 
>>particularly in the mood for Trek this week, but I found this somewhat 
>>disappointing.  Not *awful*, mind you; just disappointing.  

>I tend to agree, but I give it a "satisfying, not great, but satisfying."

Well, I might say "Entertaining, and satisfying for what it was, but
frustrating for what it could have been, and wasn't."

Come to think of it, that's what I did say in my review! :-)

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

You can watch them die, live on TV.
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