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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 21:34:54 EDT
From:         Walter Keller <WK7@CORNELLC.BITNET>
Subject:      gospel/gawd's forgiveness for us shameless netters

heh mistah armstrong - take a chill pill, ok? 1st of all some people like
gospel just because they love the sound of the human voice. I love Aretha
Franklin, but I often feel that she could just as easily be singing about
frogs and chicken lips, instead of her version of god. I've seen gospel
shows (but no gospel string quartets), in fact we had an alternative,
'protest' high school graduation ceremony back in '70. The deal was the ad-
ministration wouldn't let us have a local liberal democratic congressman
from our area (anyone remember Allard Lowenstein and the dump Johnson move-
ment?) as our commencement speaker, so we said ok, f**k it we'll have our
own commencement.Instead of fat republican phonies talkin at us, we mostly had
a few speakers of our own, and then an all black gospel troupe that had us all
hoppin & boppin. Now we're talking suburban at least 1/2 jewish,Long Island,
N.Y. kids and parents, and grandparents, some catholics, and some protestants
 all together. Nobody got down and prayed (except as thanks that high school
was over), and we all sang and had a good time.

My parents brought me up as a unitarian, which means I never went to church;
they're now leaders in their presbyterian church. This weekend my mother and
my aunt (I don't know what kind of protestant she is), another aunt and uncle,
and a jewish couple from our Long Island days all got together in church and
sang a whole bunch of different music.

The point is, I think god digs music. Also I would say lighten up because
whoever gawd is or isn't, or however many of them there are, they fer sure
all have one hell of a sense of humor !! Just look at this world we live in,
and all the silly, trivial ; or awful, cruel things that are Allowed to go on.

Let us music-netters ramble on - we ain't hurtin nobody, and don't intend to,
although sometimes tempers do flare. Go kiss a sinner's feet, save a spider's
life, listen to some country or blues or classical or jazz and relax. Per-
sonally i'm gonna get back in my pew and turn up the radio - i think it's
the allman brothers. As my own personal mentor Mr Natural used to say, "Hup
 Ho !!"

(i'm about ready to go worship the 1st thing in a skirt that can hit a natural
A barefoot);shit I hope the Royal Caookian Black Watch aren't coming to town
tonight - I might have alot of explaining to do....

                                                        ... wck ...
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 10:47:34 EDT
From:         Michelle May <MAMAY@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: thoughts

I think blues has less to do with what race you are and more to do with
what you have experienced in life.  I think anyone who has experienced
poverty, denial, discrimination, heartbreak, etc. can put some of that
feeling into their music.  Just because you are a member of an oppressed
race (I guess I fall into that category) doesn't mean you have personally
experienced discrimination; you may feel (hopefully) the pain of others
within your culture who are oppressed.  IMHO, if you can personalize your
music (no matter what you play) it will always have that "something extra".
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 07:19:00 CST
From:         WILLIACG@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU
Subject:      Re: KrissKross

Okay, point taken on Babyface, but I still enjoy his music. As for the
Brown/Houston and Woody Allen, Great point.

C.G.W-J.
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:11:40 EDT
From:         RIck <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      that unwanted cellist

Michelle-- You can be excessively polite and/or indirect to your cellist,
or you can follow the Buddy Rich E-Z method:

      1. Take your string quartet on a bus ride
      2. Ask the driver to stop in some remote location
      3. Tell the cello player to get off the bus
      4. Drive away.

Rich perfected this method with scads of less-than-adequate band members,
and although he didn't get too many birthday cards from them, not a single
one of them missed the point of his message.
Go Greyhound,
Rick

p.s. I prefer the indirect method myself. okay, okay, call me a wimp.
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 11:38:31 EDT
From:         Michelle May <MAMAY@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Quartet/Gospel
              11 Sep 1992 10:31:43 EDT from <AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU>

Ha!!

I don't know how you got "gospel quartets" from my posting:  I didn't
mean my quartet plays only black gospel--I said that we happen to want to have
our members be either black women or women.  In fact, I don't believe I said
my quartet plays gospel at all.

Anyway, I also don't think only blacks can play gospel music (similar to
what I said about blues music, also).
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From: doug@oregon.uoregon.edu (doug anders)
Subject: Re: Need Train Song Recommendations
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 00:32:50 GMT

How about these:

"Take the 'A' Train", perhaps as sung by Billie Holliday
"Train Kept a Rollin'" by Arrowsmith (may be too adult for an 8 y.o.)
"Peace Train" by Cat Stevens
"Orange Blossom Special" sung by Johnny Cash
 
It's Friday. My tired brain can't come up with more.

--Doug

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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:04:01 EDT
From:         AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU
Subject:      Billy Ray fever sweeps the colleges

To bring this conversational subject up again; I would like to tell you that
in the college in which I work; the students are playing his music.

The whole campus was ringing with his new hit "It could have been me".  This
was music to my ears to hear this so I could bring the news to the list.

In the college down the street; students was during the Acky Breaky while
walking to their classes.  This is the worst case of Acky Breaky fever that I
had ever seen.

Has I was seeing this with unbelief; I thought to myself was it this bad when
Ray Stevens did "The Streak".  The world may never know.
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:17:14 -0400
From:         "(Russ Gelinas)" <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      RE: don't freddle my gruntbugglies

>You sound cute.  And pray tell... what does a guitarist's nose look like? Most
>guitarists I know have one of those low ski-hill-mogul type bumps in the middle
>of their noses.  Coincidence?  I think not!  ;)

Yes, incredibly so, and I drive all the women crazy, 'cuz I can do the
Achey Breaky dance while standing on my head wearing a kilt!

You know, the guitarists nose.  Picture Beck, Townsend, I seem to picture RT's
as, ah, noticeable, Zappa too, it seems to be a common guitarist affliction.
Not so much of a bump on the ski hill, but more of a Rockies size ski hill
(as opposed (apposed?) to a Minnesota size ski hill). Actually, Townsend
may be Rockies, I'm closer to Appalachian.

Just like bassists are tall with deep voices, keyboardists are nerdy
with glasses, and drummers are, well we all know about drummers.......

Russ (keeper of the musical sterotypes)
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 10:25:35 CDT
From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject: Re: Tidbits from Rolling Stone

Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU> sez:

>o Herion is once again the drug of choice among up and coming alternative
>  musicians.

Ooooh, I gotta get me some of this herion!  Smack just doesn't give me
a thrill any more.

Yes, boys and girls, this is the first spelling flame/joke of the day.
+-------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
| Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen        |            "IT FOUND ME!"            |
| crispen@foxy.boeing.com       |      Campus Crusade for Cthulhu      |
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:46:47 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: tryin
              "Walter Keller" at Sep 9, 92 11:10 pm

>
> Sonia: I just turned 40 and am trying like hell to grow a decent ponytail
> again - for the 1st time in 15 years or so. Hair's getting a little thinner,

OK Killer-Keller, let me handle this. I am a professional aging hipster.
  Go to K-Mart: they sell baseball caps
with a nice long ponytail (all colors available) attached through the little
opening in back, so wear this while you're growing out.

> just decided to fuck it and get back to my old days/old ways - I work for
> a university so they can't screw with me - ha !. Heh, I know I'm losing it

I work for one too (provides great net access)... and as one well *PAST 40* I
feel it is my sacred obligation to offer inspiration for the jazzification of
Walter Ex-Mitty: I have grown the hair out myself (luckily it's nice and
thick) past shoulder length, I can STILL wear quite nicely the one 1969 little
tiny skirt I still own and attract the attention of all construction workers in
the vicinity, but above all, I didn't start playing the guitar until *PAST
40* and if you don't think that's hard when all of YOU HOT DOGS have been
playing real cool stuff since you were 11 years old...
But I'm getting somewhere with that guitar too... one thing about being
*PAST 40*: it gets easier and easier and turns into an outright pleasure to say
fuck it and do whatever you really want to do.  I'm not trying to "be young,"
I'm just trying to be myself--and I'm doing a lot better job of it than I used
to.  (P.S. I have ALWAYS worn a lot of black--I've been beat since the get-go)

> but I'm trying to get it right at least once .

Yeah yeah!   Sonia Sexpriestress of Psychedelicatessen Blues a Go Go Real Gone
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:38:47 EDT
From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: True Religion
              11 Sep 1992 14:59:23 EDT from <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

On Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:59:23 EDT Sonia Kovitz said:
> I think this is an interesting point about a musician, the ability to hear and
>capture many voices... don't you think most good (= interesting) music does
>this?  (I don't mean just vocals in a literal sense)  As if a GOOD musician is
>a kind of organ (no remarks Carol--where IS Carol?) with all sorts of
>stops/voices to pull out when needed...  oh well
>
This is the reason that J.S. Bach had so many children:  His organ didn't have
any stops.

-Scott "Droll" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:16:29 -0400
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: covers

I like Little Feat (at least old LF), but the hippie band does a lot of
their stuff, so that's out.

We do Mystery Dance.  Heaven would be fun.  A favorite from my days
in the seminary (just kidding).  A warped Sexual Healing might get some
smiles too....

RUss
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:51:46 -0400
From:         "The Chrome-Plated Megaphone of Destiny"
              <ALEVIN@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The Return of the son of CD SplurgeFest

Ken responds:
>>Bela Fleck & the Flecktones: UFO TOFU
>>	Great stuff as usual from Bela and the Boys. I like this one somewhat
>>better than _Cosmic Hippo_. Weird, Wacky Stuff.
>>
>I'm genuinely curious:  what exactly do you find weird & wacky about this?
>Unusual, possibly, & definitely good, but the antecedents seem straightforward.
>Or is it just that there are *so* many antecedents Bela & the 'Tones use?

Unusual is what I mean. They all seem to take an approach to their instruments
which breaks down and redefines the rules which have been imposed on them in
the past. Examples are Levy's Wah-Wah Harmonica trick he does with the the cup
and Bela's use of a slide on a Banjo.

Did you catch them on the Lonesom Pine Special with Brandford Marsalis? I'd
like to see them lay down some tracks together in a studio.

-Adam
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 10:07:13 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gradually going tornado
              "Michael H. Bloom" at Sep 3, 92 1:34 pm

>
> > I also liked MHB's digital-zircon-encrusted-tweezers.
>
> Old Zappa reference, perhaps I should mention.
>
Aaargh, first it was those weasels that ate Carol's dress, and now it's the
tweezers.... My husband keeps saying, hey ask me first and then you won't make
a fool of yourself.... but I keep saying, hey just be glad I don't listen to
Madonna and Enya.      [could all future references to Zappa lyrics please be
enclosed in brackets so I can avoid embarrassment?]

> > I did ask a friend and he contributed "The Shags."
>
> FYI, that's "Shaggs," two G's. They were three sisters from some teeny hamlet

I had to go over and see this album in person after being told of it and not
only are there 2 G's (how do you KNOW this stuff?????) but the name of the
album is THE PHILOSOPHY OF LIFE and the Shaggs = Dorothy, Betty and Helen
Wiggins.   I will soon own a dub of it and might even compose a totally GROOVY
review of it (including the album cover)... stand by

Sonia
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:01:52 CDT
From:         Lee=Jenkins%PCB=Sys=Int%Mfg=Hou@BANGATE.COMPAQ.COM
Subject:      jazz festival / trouble / capitals

compaq is offering us free tickets to a jazz festival here in houston on
the 20th.  the performers lined up are the rippingtons, george howard, the
holly cole trio and larry carlton.  i've never heard of any of them, so
i'm raising this up the allmusic flagpole to see who salutes and who pulls
out their flame-throwers.  so whadda ya say?  would you go see this show?



From:           gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL
Subject:        Heavy Metal Station / re: Quest For Sharrock
Date:           Wednesday, September 9, 1992 at 2:23:00 pm CDT

[...]
>Was it you who was recommeding the group "Trouble" before?
yes.
>I think they have a new album out. I heard a song yesterday: something about
>".....Sky". Good tune. Any thoughts?

i haven't heard it.  i called zrock yesterday & asked them to play it.  they
had the disc,  but the dj hadn't heard any of it yet either and wasn't gutsy
enough to slap it down sound-unheard.  i did see it in the store wednesday,
though, and was real tempted to buy it.  i thought about how good their cd
_psalm 9_ is, and how bad _run to the light_ is, and decided to wait till
i've heard some.

>Lee, have you EVER used a capital letter?  :-) :-)

most anything i write for my own use is all lower case.  i picked up the
habit several years ago, and i don't even remember where or why.  some
people have a hard time with it, but i just remind them that itcouldbewor
setheancientgreeksusedtowritelikethiswithalltheirletterscrammednexttoeach
otherwithnopunctuationandnospacesbetweenthewordsibetthatevenlennyraybobmi
ghthaveahardtimereadingatwohundredpagetextwrittenlikethiswhatdoyouthink


lee

ofcoursethegreeksdidnthavelowercaseletterswaybackwhenalltheletterstheyuse
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ecalleduncialsibelieveandthenlatermanuscriptswithmixedcasewerecalledminsc
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: jazz festival / trouble / capitals
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 05:38:41 GMT

In article <190jinINNa1m@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston) writes:
>  Oh but surely you would have to admit that Monk's stuff is among the
>most "melodic" stuff you listen to... or talk about. I was referring to
>the stuff that sounds more like a trainload of horns being derailed at
>120 mph, i.e. John Zorn. Y'know... rolling a bowling ball down a flight
>of stairs (or was that cardboard boxes?). That kind of stuff. The kind 
>of tunes where if you miss a note, the only people that realize it are
>the other guys in the band (and any groupies the band might have). Where
>the critics say, "yeah, I can't understand it, so it must be sheer 
>genius," etc.

well now, yes, now that you mention it, it does point to the
exceptionally broad range of music that I listen to.  Yes, that high
information stuff such as Ornette and Cecil and Cage and Xenakis and the
second Viennese school that you are pointing out, or that more 
"melodic" stuff from Miles, Monk, and Mingus, as well different
centuries of European music from Renaissance lute music to Mahler
symphonies; or the different continents from the Brazilian melodies sung by
the Gilbertos to the various oriental singers from Fat Al Miyad to
Nazikat Ali.  Different street corners.  Different sides of the tracks.
Different continents.  Different centuries.  Different planets if you count 
Sun Ra.  I want to thank you for fathoming the significance such states of 
affairs. 

I also want to thank you for pointing that out to the folks here.
Couldn't have done it without you....  is it ok if I start calling you
genius?

Jeff
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 10:29:46 EDT
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      re: are you Cyrus?

>So make yourself clear, shut up, or get off of the list.

  Oooh.  Cruisin' for a bruisin'.

  If the list ain't big enough for both
you and Ed, then you'd best skeedaddle.
We like Ed, hereabouts, and plan to keep
him.

                   -Tim
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 08:54:49 PDT
From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: band etiquette

On Thu, 10 Sep 1992 08:16:07 CDT Leonard said:

>More on the country band (BTW i'm still use the blues licks) the singer
>is very,very talented and not limited to country music the drummer is
>young but good. The problem is (and we've all faced it) the singer's
>friend (and groupie) is useless she tries to be a rhythym player, but
>she has many,many years to go (i don't have a superioir than thou attitude)
>it's just a fact. I would like to continue with the singer and the drummer
>we've yet to find a good bass player, but how do i tell her/them that the
>other rhythm player is useless at this time. The last time this happened

 Well, it depends on what part of his anatomy your singer does his thinkin'
 with.  ;-)

 I have faced this problem countless times, and seen others wrestle with it.
 One band I was in went through eleven backup vocalists. Some people use the
 direct approach: "You're fired." Others just suffer through it because they
 are too sensitive to ever say something bad about anybody. One guy I
 remember used a novel approach: "You're too talented for us," he told the
 awesomely untalented lead guitarist we wanted to dump. "We're not worthy to
 play with you. We'll just hold your career back. Don't worry about us; we'll
 manage somehow." The guy fell for it; he was missing a few dots on his dice.
 After he left the studio it was like, "Ding dong, the witch is dead!" Guy
 parks cars now. One slimeball bandleader used his good looks and charm
 to romance our screechy backup singer; then he told her that he couldn't
 mix business with pleasure and that since she was his "woman" now, she
 couldn't be in the band. Naturally he dumped her a month later, after we'd
 hired a new vocalist.

 If I were you, I'd talk it over with everybody but the singer. Then, you
 all talk it over WITH the singer. Once everyone agrees, meet with the
 singer's girlfriend and explain it to her. Be friendly but firm. Music is
 fun, but it's also a business, if you want your band to sound its best.
 You're not telling this person they're no good; you're telling them that the
 chemistry isn't right. It may not help much, but that's my two cents on it.

David
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:03:54 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      confession

Several weeks ago i was called by a lady named L.A. (nice name) they have
a country thang going on and wanted a guitar player i said no way. Sunday
she called again and really begged said they're going "big-time" the singer
has already had two songs on-the-charts and videos....yee-hi. Well i gave
in and went and played (left my strat ay home out of respect) and gosh-almighty
i enjoyed it. I'm playing again tonight (i passed the audition) we did holly
dunn, mary carpenter,judds,bob seger even...half of the stuff i've never heard
but somehow i found a groove and went with it. Has anyone ever heard of
(this is the real name) Jodie Lynn Colter. I think i hurt their feelings
by telling them they'll never make the "big-time" with bob seger covers
and the like. I guess i'll need some boots and a hat now. wow this is
scary. I think i'd better go home and get a big dose of blues and get back
to where i belong.
                 Lenny Bob
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:48:18 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: covers
              Gelinas" at Sep 8, 92 1:24 pm

>
> Sonya sez, please play:
>
> >Gloria
> Learned to play it for a gig at a beach club when Hurrican Gloria was
> approaching.  Unfortunately, Gloria was in a hurry, and the gig got
> cancelled.
> .
> .
> .
> >Sherry
> If you sing it ;-)
>
> >Magic Bus
> I've thought about this one.  The original is slightly anarchic, which would
> fit our style.
>
> Russ

I was trying to be RILLY SILLY but actually I would enjoy hearing all of those.
(Sherry has got to be done in manic hysteria castrato mode)
I even had I WANNA HOLD YOUR HAND but at the last minute I deleted it, and then
begorra MHB posts it!  Basically I go for ecstasy-type madness covers... what
else is there?

Re: Bo... Just for the record, I've heard him twice live in Klumbus, but both
were at least five years ago.  Both times, and I am a CRITICAL lissener and
SERIOUS rocker (can't ya tell), he was DYNAMITE.  The best was outside in a
park at a 4th of July concert... he got an African polyrhythm going that was
truly miracu-fantabulous... But it was very funny: when he began, and he
started off hot, yes he did, all these nice middle-class white folks were just
sitting there with their hands in their laps.  I loved the expression on his
face.  He had to TELL them to stand up and boogie.  Soon enuff the place was
hopping.  Yes, it is sad when these great guys get tired and don't put out (I'm
thinking of B.B. King... also I've heard that Chuck Berry has made a total ass
of himself showing up for concerts drunk, playing in the wrong key... and then
we heard a while back about Lonnie Brooks doing the same thing).... It's just a
very sorry thing, what else can we say?  But I respect them for what they gave
to the music.  It does make you FULLY appreciate a man like Hooker who gives it
all and is still going strong in his 70s.
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