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From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,sci.med
Subject: Re: RETIBOL
Date: 23 Aug 92 00:55:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Aug23.005558.28158
Organization: Western Washington University

mfuchs@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mike Fuchs) writes:

>    The other day I ran across this product called "Retibol".  Does
>    any body out there have any information regarding this substance.
>    I understand it deals with protein synthesis.  How does this compare
>    to cyclofinil or clenbuterol plus ?  I assume their is no androgenic
>    effects. Any suggestions/alternaives along with infrmation on the
>    above would be deeply appreciated.
>				       Thanks in advance....
>					      Michael

		A simple rule:
If it is not illegal, it will have no androgenic nor anabolic effects
and is therefore a waste of time and money.

	This should be a FAQ, because people seem to ask it on misc.fitness
about every other day.

Jim Del Vecchio
From: ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Fitness Thoughts
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:30:12 GMT
Organization: Good place for a disclaimer

In article <1992Aug17.080344.28886@edwards-vax.af.mil> becker@edwards-vax.af.mil writes:
>You do realize that for burning FAT you must find your target heart
>rate and keep it at that rate for 20 minutes before your body begins
>to burn fat?  THat is why it is good to do a 40 minute aerobic workout
>twice a day....gives you the best results.  Many people work up to

Since all of the studies I've seen reported claim ever increasing fat
utilization to the point of exhaustion, why do you recommend such a
short workout (40 mins) to burn fat?  If you have to spend 20 min just
to start, then wouldn't you double your fat burning if you went 60 min
instead of 40?

Old data from 1939 (Christensen and Hansen) - trained subject, 183 watts
on cycle, carbohydrate rich diet.

time    % energy from fat
0-30 min     30%
30-60        33%
60-90        37%
90-120       44%
120-150      56%

Note that *if* no fat is burned until 20 min, the 20-30 min span was pure
fat burning.  On a mixed diet, the subject used more fat, but the
proportion of fat used increased more slowly with time.

>Yes, fat burns throughout the whole body.  It is not isolated to one 
>area.

Well, not quite.  Fat is released into the blood stream
from around the body.  It is burned in the exercising muscles.


-- 
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  Cut it off, lad, and be whole;
But play the man, stand up and end you,
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From: griffin@milton.u.washington.edu (Thomas Griffin)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Favorite Foods
Summary: yogurt
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:33:14 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <Aug.19.22.24.08.1992.7867@remus.rutgers.edu> clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
>
>What type of healthy food do you really like?  I'm very fond of
>yogurt; my one-day record is over 100 ounces (really!).  

With all this talk of egg whites, skim milk and tuna, it's great to
see someone else endorse yogurt, non-fat of course. I find that if I
skip a day, I can get weird cravings for it. 

Speaking of cravings and favorite foods, I have terrific
cravings for carohydrates at night just before I go to bed.
I've been eating whole wheat bagels and breakfast ceral (non-fat
brands). Do you other folks also suffer from evening cravings for
carbs? Do you resist or give in to them? What do you eat when you
have a carbo craving?
From: afsidbb@cidsv07.Berkeley.EDU (Douglas Bender)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Jogging
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:24:20 GMT
Reply-To: afsidbb@cidsv07.Berkeley.EDU (Douglas Bender)
Organization: Environment Canada

I started jogging last April to complement my rowing. Things 
were going really well until last Friday morning. I have been
slowly increasing my distance per-run and per-week. I was up
to 8-10km per run and about 30+ kms per-week. About midway through
my 10km joggs, I usually do a few sprint-intervals. Well, on my last
sprint I felt a twinge on the outside of my right leg, just below the
knee. It didn't hurt that much so I tried to jog the rest of the way
home (about 4km)....big mistake!! I had to stop after 3 km. Everytime
I came down on my right leg it really hurt. The rest of the day my 
knee area was pretty sore when I raised it(ie. for walking) or when
I attempted to go down stairs. There was never any swelling or redness
etc. I tried a light jog last night after a week of rest. After about
two miles, the pain return......not as bad, but I stopped jogging
immediately and walked the rest of the way home.

Here are the symptoms: - pain isolated to 3-4 inch area just below
                         the knee....mainly on the outside
                       - only appears when I am putting alot of 
                         pressure on it..ie. jogging, going down
                         stairs, etc
                       - no swelling/redness etc

Without sounding to technical, the outside top of my shin-bone feels
like it is bruised when I jog.

I would like to some advice and similar experiences from other runners.
I am going to see my doctor next week for a general checkup, so I'll
get her to have a look.

My running shoes are "Asics Gel 120". I bought them three weeks ago.

Thanks
  Doug

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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Crystalline aminos vs peptide aminos
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:04:26 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Aug19.131833.307@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu> loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
>>>I'm wondering how other bodybuilders out there feel about pure crystalline
>>>aminos vs. peptide bonded aminos.
>> Well, "peptide-bonded" aminos generally taste better, because that's
>> what hamburger, eggs, cheese, milk, tofu, etc. all are.
>
>-Thankyou for the valuable info.  My body needs none of the above.

Living a "protein-free lifestyle", eh?  Well, it's only for the select
and special, I guess.

P.S.: Don't all those Joe Weider amino acid capsules get a little boring
after a while?

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: muscle fat-burning "efficiency"
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:30:52 GMT
Organization: StorageTek, Louisville, CO

In article <1992Aug19.131708.22623@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall) writes:
>I did NOT assert that weight training in and of itself is a good way to burn
>fat... I merely pointed out that all other things being equal, strong muscles
>burn more fat than weaker ones. If you're going to engage in aerobic exercise
>to burn fat, your body will burn the fat more efficiently (that is, it'll
>burn more fat in any given amount of time) when the muscles you use are
>stronger rather than weaker.

Nevertheless, if you're interested in losing fat, the majority of your
exercise time should be spent in aerobic exercise. Weight lifting is an
excellent way to supplement your progress, but aerobic exercise is the most
important part of any such program.

>* aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu * Dan Dooovall *

--phil
pae@blackcat.stortek.com
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: I WAS ON ABC W/ADAM FOR TWO MIN
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 16:32:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.161721.4970@athena.mit.edu> aleck@athena.mit.edu (Aleck H Alexopoulos) writes:
>Hey, Wimps!  I am in Boston.  I can log into my account from here at MIT.
>You should see the weight room here.  It's pathetic compared to Maryland.  They

That's okay.  You can do leg-extensions with a makeshift setup.  First,
get some really thick socks.  Then, when you can do eight reps with these,
get them kind of wet, and do another set.

>have only one bodybuilder, but he's pretty strong too.  I could easily kick his

Yeah, Adam, but he probably has normal legs.

GMS
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: vinlai@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (vincent.lai)
Subject: Does aerobic activity lead to overtraining?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:14:37 GMT

Simple question.  I don't know if the answer is also simple, but I am
getting back into my weight routine after a month hiatus, and I am
trying to take things as smoothly as possible.  Not easy.  Yesterday
was my first day back and I worked shoulders, bis, and tris.  Those
three muscle groups are now somewhat stiff and sore.  Today (Tuesday)
I am contemplating what to do next.  Legs and abs would be the prime
choices for weights, but there is the option of not doing any weights
period, and just work on a StairMaster.

If I hit the weights 3X/week (MWF) and do aerobics 5X/week (MTWThF),
how much will the aerobic portion contribute to my chances of
overtraining?

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From: potter@silver.usna.navy.mil (Mr. Jeff Potter (CADIG  STAFF))
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Leg Raises...
Date: 14 Aug 92 11:57:28 GMT
Organization: U. S. Naval Academy, Annapolis, MD
Originator: potter@usna


  In response to the posters about leg raises:

     I do hanging leg raises all the time and have had no back
 problems whatsoever. I also do stiff leg deadlifts with 225lbs
 and have never had lower back problems. Maybe the answer is to
 get a good balance between ab work and lower back work so that
 both are strong. It also helps to warmup...

   BTW I have noticed great improvement in my lower ab region
 while doing hanging leg raises. They work for me!

  I use the Legendary Abs routine developed by Health For Life..
 Your abs get a great burn from this routine, I can personally
 testify that it works and I would recommend it for anyone.

 Jeff

 potter@usna.navy.mil
From: ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: To EKP Re:  AA-->fat?
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:45:47 GMT
Organization: Good place for a disclaimer

In article <1992Aug13.144829.5014@nrao.edu> lmiller@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (Luther Miller) writes:
>Yep- I apologize for not having the names/authors of the books I read this in.
>My ex-roommate (a long distance runner who took a nutrition course in his
>senior year) learned that you only digest about 25 g of protein as protein at
>a meal.

The qualification 'as protein' changes this substatntially.  Yet it is
still at odds with a previous comment on the net that complementary
vegetable proteins could be eaten at least 6 hours apart.  And with the
current RDA, since many Americans have only 2 protein meals.

>I have heard (not read!) that the
>RDA's determination on the amount of protein one needs is based on studies
>by the meat and dairy association involving rats-- animals which allegedly
>need more than 100 times more protein than people.. (per body weight).

I have read (but not authoritatively?) that protein RDA was set by
nitrogen excretion studies - the amount which balanced excretion is
clearly a minimum, which was fudged up to be safe.  Possibly animal
studies influenced the final selection.


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And if your hand or foot offend you,         Ed Pavelchek   ekp@mcnc.org
  Cut it off, lad, and be whole;
But play the man, stand up and end you,
  When your sickness is your soul.           AE Housman
From: loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Crystalline aminos vs peptide aminos
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:52:15 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

I'm wondering how other bodybuilders out there feel about pure crystalline
aminos vs. peptide bonded aminos.  I have read alot of information about the
both of them, but all the info. seems to be contradictory.  Does anyone have
any personal experience with them?  Also, does anyone have any experience with 
the company Anabol Naturals?

-Rob
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: Indoor aerobic exercise machine under $200
Summary: circuit training is different from aerobic exercise
Organization: StorageTek, Louisville, CO
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:59:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.035331.1505@oracle.us.oracle.com> hweingra@oracle.UUCP (Howard Weingram) writes:
>In article <1992Aug9.225454.5447@stortek.com> pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt-x8236) writes:
>>Body circuits -- circuit-oriented resistance training -- is great, but it
>>isn't aerobic exercise. That's the word from Covert Bailey in _The New Fit
>>or Fat_. Also, check out p. 484 of _Exercise Physiology_, third edition. I
>>posted the quote from McArdle about a week ago to this group. Send me email
>>if your local library and/or mass market bookstore doesn't carry it and
>>you'd like me to send you the quote.
>
>that's all right, i'll trust you to quote covert accurately (but only this
>once! ;-) )

The quote was from _Exercise Physiology_, written by McArdle, Katch, and
Katch. Part of the point was to get this information from a source *other*
than Covert.

>>There's nothing wrong with circuit training; just remember to draw a
>>distinction between circuit (weight-lifting) training and aerobic training.
>>Exercises like sit-ups, pushups, dips, and leg lifts do not qualify as
>>aerobic exercise. It isn't that such exercise is bad; it's that people who
>>need to lose a lot of fat should spend the majority of exercise time
>>in aerobic exercise.
>
>okay, maybe some of these aren't keeping individual muscle groups in an
>aerobic state. but if you're talking about aerobic exercize as a means
>to reduce fat, you should be primarily concerned with keeping the PULSE
>in the aerobic range. 

If you're not exercising the major muscle groups and you have your pulse that
high, an exerciser has gone anerobic in the muscles he is exercising. This is
exactly what both Bailey and McArdle say about aerobic exercise. Could you
provide some support for your position?

--phil
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: cecchinr@hornsby.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini)
Subject: Re: I WAS ON ABC W/ADAM FOR TWO MIN
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:31:54 GMT

In article <14978@umd5.umd.edu> silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:

[stuff deleted]

Hey! I thought you were supposed to be in Boston this weekend!

Ron

p.s Must've scared `em off!
From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: suggested books/exercises for ab work?
Summary: Protecting people from themselves
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:55:35 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson) writes...
>>
>>Another traditional ab exercise from boxing is leg throw downs,
>>where you raise your legs up (like a straight leg raise) while lying supine, 
>>and a partner grabs your ankles and throws them forcefully toward the floor
>>while you use your abs to rapidly slow them down before they hit
>>the floor.  This is another 'plyometric' type exercise, for explosive power
>>and toughness, not really for bodybuilding, and it's potentially dangerous for 
>>your back, so if you try it, be very careful and start slowly.
>>
> 
>Your phrase "potentially dangerous for your back" is a dangerous case of
>understatement!  I most sincerely hope noone runs to the gym to try this
>one out.  I'll post a separate message suggesting people read the sports
>medicine column in Iron Man magazine.  Just trying to visualize the
>shock loadings trying to yank the lumbar vertebrae forward, while performing
>the stunt described above, is about enough to make me lose my lunch.

It's not quite as bad as you think, although I know the caution is well 
intended.   You have to know what you're doing (or have a knowledgeable
trainer) and you have to be properly conditioned for what you're doing.

Some of us have done more kinky stuff than this for years without injury.
It all depends on what you're into.  Some people love that kind of 
'on the edge' training, even given some risk, and can find ways to approach
it relatively safely.  I have people tell me all the time how dangerous
certain boxing training is, and then I smile over at some of the guys in their
60's and 70's I've trained with who have been doing it for decades or
scores with far less damage to their bodies than the average jogger takes
on their joints.  

I'm sorry if the suggestion appears out of context for a general fitness
request, but I strongly contend the implication that it is inherently
unhealthy or an irresponsible suggestion, even with the clear disclaimer
I added.   My knowledge comes from 25 years of successful training of myself
and others, not from reading specialized commercial bodybuilding magazines.

>If just one person who would have tried the above refrains due to reading
>this, I will have done my good deed for the year.

Intention understood.  Please don't anyone try any plyometric exercise
on their own without a trainer.  

>Dave Wilson

	Thanks, Dave.

							kind regards,

							todd
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: psburns@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (MAUREEN BURNS)
Subject: Need inspiration!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 19 Aug 1992 10:08 EST  

I feel flabby!!!

Back around Christmas, I got a promotion :) which leaves me sitting all day
at a desk or at a conference table.  I no longer do the amount of walking 
and stair climbing I used to before the promotion.  I also put in just 
enough extra hours in day to cause me to miss my favorite aerobics 
instructor.  The result is ugly!  Although I haven't gained any weight (OK, 
maybe just a pound or two!) my physical tone and strength has deteriorated 
to a condition I hate!!!  I jiggle where I never have.  Everything is 
heading south.  And East. And West.  No more definition in my arms.  I even 
feel my calves shake when I walk!  (Maybe I am exagerating, but maybe not..
)

Anyway, I need to get some inspiration to really put energy back into 
pursuing fitness again.  It's not like I don't have the desire.  I just 
need creative ways to organize my time.  Also, it's been so long since I 
had to work at getting BACK into shape that I forgot how.  For the last 6 
or so years, I have MAINTAINED shape.  Two types of workouts, in my mind.  

I need inspiration.  I love to hear success stories.  Any good ones out 
there?  They really challenge me!

Maureen



Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: berger@sfc.sony.com (Bob Berger)
Subject: Re: Aerobics and Bodybuilding (durations, combinations and calories)
Keywords: n
Organization: SONY Advanced Video Technology Center San Jose, CA USA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:54:33 GMT


I've been doing an hour of Stairmaster (2 days/week) at about 80% of
my Max heartrate before working out with weights for another hour or
so. On Saturday, I ride an hour to the gym, work out for at least 1.5
hour and then ride home, again in my target heart range. I usually do
a fourth day of aerobic activity during the week as well.

Is this not recommended? Would I be better off doing Aerobic stuff on
alternate days from my weight work?

My main goal at this point is to reduce fat (I've got about 10lbs of excess
fat based on body fat measurements / charts and by looking at my middle).
My expectation is that doing significant aerobics is the primary fat burning
and weight work builds muscle mass so I will burn more calories in general
(as well as being in better literal shape).

The weight work has definately improved my robustness and general muscle tone,
Ive definately built more muscle, but it seems that I'm not making too much
progress with reducing fat, still have a significant middle. I am currently
about 185lbs at 5feet 8inches height.

I'm eating about 2400 - 2500 calories a day of mostly carbo, vegitarian
protean. Fish about twice a week, turkey about twice a week. Very low fat.

Recently my hunger has increased, but in general, not too hungery.

Any suggestions on how to accelerate my fat loss or otherwise improve how
I'm doing things?



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From: SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Fat olympians
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:32:49 GMT

>From: robin@cs.columbia.edu (Jacques Robin)
>Why are so many olympic throwers and heavyweight lifters fat?
>
>Is it that carrying fat is in itself an advantage for these events  ...
>Or is it that for these events, carrying fat, though not an advantage, is
>not an handicap either, and, as a consequence, throwers and lifters simply
>don't try to avoid putting on fat as a side effect of putting on muscle mass?

i saw it's a little of both. using bodyweight to throw (and lift) definitely
seems to be an advantage, and being lean is not necessary to reach the goal
of throwing far.

i was on the track team senior year in high school, and the woman who
placed first in the shotput at the state meet musta weighed at least
250 pounds! she was HUGE! (read: fat).

while i didn't quite master the "slide" in one year, she did (i think
she competed all 4 yrs). and she used every bit of bodyweight to throw
the shotput as far as possible. she probably had alot of muscle under-
neath, but she was *really* fat too.

wonder if i woulda had a shot (pun intended) if i started as a freshman...

Janice"i placed 8th but RI's a small state!"G ;-)

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