HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: guohsu@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Allen Guo-Ching Hsu)
Subject: Re: "participants shall be 45 years old or younger"
Reply-To: guohsu@mercury.uregina.ca (Allen Guo-Ching Hsu)
Organization: University of Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 10:59:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug17Mo151116a.danj1@ihspa.att.com> danj1@ihspa.att.com (Dan Jacobson ~{;}5$Da~}) writes:
>AEIC> 2. Forum on High-Tech R&D for Advancement of Econmy ......39
>AEIC> From:   J. P. Jiang <JPJIANG@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU>
>AEIC> Source: AEIC
>
>AEIC> of technical transfer.
>
>AEIC> The official language of the forum is Chinese.  The participants shall
>AEIC> be 45 years old or younger.  Those oversea Chinese who are involved in 
>AEIC> high-tech industries are particularly invited to submit papers.
>
>It seems quite odd, at least to someone like me who grew up in the
>USA, to draw such boundary lines such as "age 45".  Perhaps someone
>can post a Mainland China cultural perspective of why this boundary is
>necessary.

---------------------------------------------------
First of all the age limitation has nothing to do with Mainland China culture
at all.  It is due to some of the sick-headed, ODD organizers who often tend
to block people from involving what the oganizers themselves consider as 
previleges,  for this forum, they can just say "... the forum was so 
successful ( whether or not ), ... the average age of participants is ONLY
...( they calculate it )... ", just for propagada. I have experirnced various
silly limits imposed on different things based on the organizer's New-Born
organ resting on top of their shoulders, of course, the New-Born organ is
partially the result of the Culture Revolution. 

I wish I could hang them. The limits do block China from developing faster.

The most ridiculous fact is the limits makers are usually apply to the limits
themselves, but they avoid in their own. As long as those New-Born organs are
not Renewed, that kind of things will stick around.

I hope they don't limit either language not age again, then I may meet you
there next time.

Cheers!

Allen    -- with renewed brain.
guohsu@cs.uregina.ca
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From: borders@ms.uky.edu (Johnny Borders)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 21 Aug 92 07:04:27 GMT
    <1992Aug20.003556.16931@gibdo.engr.washington.edu> 
    <92Aug20.102845edt.160@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> 
    <9223413.9327@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

ibm01@acci.com.au () writes:

>	This isn't true. The Chinese people haven't accepted (and never will) 
>the Tianmen Massacre. The majority remain silence obviously because they've
>become more cautious, and are under coersion. 

Coerced by a Red Chinese regime? NOOOOOO.. Communism is just so full of
free thought. NOT! <hehehe> With restrictions like not being able to speak
the truth, it's a wonder China doesn't find themselves minus a few hundred
million people one day..
Us Americans aren't coerced into believing/not believing the truth, but 
it's politically uncorrect, and could cost you your friends, job, etc.


>	Regretfully, I admit, that we now have a downright defective gov't
>running by some("a small number of") absolute deadshits who can do nothing but
>botch things against the people, don't and won't believe in people's rights.
>These all add up. And sure we need a change(a drastic one you know) as quickly as
>possible - not in a day or 2, we know it's probably gonna take some time.
>	Yes, we've got some nasty work to do at home, but I don't like your
>supposition that we have to preclude doing anything else that we deem to be
>important. Justice and truth are truly important - in every sense. If you don't
>understand which is quit improbable...dunno, but you may as well call yourself an
>outsider you know.

I don't really have anything to complain about, but everyone should know
that Democracy doesn't work as advertised. In America, there is no such
thing as a poor (or intelligent) politician. Here in Kentucky, our past and
present governors scarcely got out of high school. No college education
at all (which is why they keep slashing our budgets :). Government only
works for the people that run it. Nothing in Washington is done to benefit
the people. The US is run by rich people like me (except I never went into
poltiics, so I guess I'm safe there :) who spend $400 a week on bottled
water while 1/5th of the world's population is dying of disease and hunger.
There is no Justice or truth to be found there.. Justice is a matter of which
side of the bars you're on and truth all depends on how you look at it.
Common themes in the human mind, and we're all human (which is why we all
have the same problems, you know? :) 
-- 
*******************************************************************************
* The University of Kentucky is not responsible * AIX: Marketing or lunacy?   *
* for me, by reason of "Bureaucrats Syndrome,"  * "I never used anything by   *
* a crippling form of insanity.                 *  IBM that I liked."         *
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:23467 soc.culture.taiwan:12142 soc.culture.hongkong:9972
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: fyu@139.185.34.2 (Francis H. Yu)
Subject: Re: Immigration: Whether Aliens Share the Rights of U.S. Citizens?
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:48:06 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Aug20.075413.10058@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> hwang@hermes.Berkeley.EDU (Kailan Hwang) writes:
>In article <Bt77B3.9ou@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>=Subject: Alien Right (For your reference)
>=Forwarded by Bo Xiong in Chicago
>
>It is an interesting article, but I really do not know there
>has anything to do with taiwan news group. People seems to
>be getting some kind of cross posting habit by putting
>articles to unrelated newsgroup which just like people
>asking MAC question on PC newsgroups.
>

Because someone in this group may find it "interesting" :-)

There are other related issues in American politics, such as whether
immigrants are eligible for public assistance and to use public
services.  There is no worse time for immigrants than an election year
with a recession (and a possibility for war).
-- 
Francis H. Yu
Oracle Corporation, 500 Oracle Parkway, Box 659504, Redwood Shores, CA  94065
Email:  fyu@shanghai.oracle.com  Voice:  (415) 506-3129  FAX:  (415) 506-7103
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wang@saturn.sdsu.edu (Luqing Wang)
Subject: where to get Labor Condition Application form?
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 03:07:37 GMT

Dear Friends,

	I am thinking apply H-1B visa by my self. I already get
Form I-129 from Ins. From the instruction, I need a approved
Labor Condition Application, However, I called servel labor Dept.
office, they told me they do not know what it is.  Any body knows
where I can get this form in New York area, and any hints in the
application process?

	A VERY TRULY THANKS
		lu

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From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: publication of SCC messages
Date: 14 Aug 92 10:53:53 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

The messages in SCC (soc.culture.china) from 18 February - 4 July 1989
are edited and published in Sweden, according to the China Quarterly,
which are edited by Esbjoern Stahle and Terho Uimonen, published by
Skifter Utgivna av Foereningen foer Orientaliska Studier, Stokholm,
vol.I and vol.II, pp.394, pp.424, 1989.
From: jianl@vlsi.ICS.UCI.EDU
Subject: test
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Date: 13 Aug 92 05:09:22 GMT


this is a test.
From: echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Subject: Re: protection bill
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:16:49 GMT

In article <1915@kluge.fiu.edu> stacc0@quantum.fiu.edu (Ye) writes:
>
>|Here is a question. Do you know how to define a brief, causal, and innocent
>|absence from this country? 
>
>My understanding is:
>brief: less than 90 days.
>casual: didn't wear three-piece suit during the trip.
>innocent: tried some white powder but didn't inhale.


	Nah, we are talking about PROTECTION !!, so here it is:

brief:  oh it was just a one night stand.
casual:  well, it was only a flirting.
innocent:  what do you mean by AIDS?    


    Eddie
From: zzhang@electron.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re Shut up!........
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:13:00 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

>In article <WYb-ag=@engin.umich.edu> chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian
Chen)
>writes:
>> In article <1992Aug12.154819.10158@news.nd.edu> mm@doge.phys.um.edu
(Matt
>Macura) writes:
>> >There are at least one third of the articles in this Newsgroup
that either
>> >sounds really boring or looks really ugly. I don't really
understand why
>some
>> >people keep buffling on something for damn too long. I don't think
some of
>the
>> >guys here should be allowed to shoot craps all over the place like
--More--(40%)
>> >guys here should be allowed to shoot craps all over the place like
they did.
>> >Clean up the fights, man!
>>
>> Well, your article is very boring and ugly indeed.
>
>Well, please attack against each other on this topic again.
Gentelmen,
>please! The world is an endless circle, isn't it?! Through each
circle, people

>get to  know this group better and better. What an exposure of nice
>personalities!!
>
>Carl


--Agree with the last one. If we keep talking this way,
--people around the world reading 'soc.culture.china' will
--only become more and more and more convinced that
--CHINA DOES NOT HAS ANY CULTURE AT ALL!
--
--Think it over, ladies and gentlemen.

It is true that <Matt Macura @ University of Michigan> is very
irratating, and he deserves attacking- we agree on that. However,
there are better ways to deal with this kind of people than attacking
him on the net. The best way is to ignore him. The second best way is,
if you really have the urge to attack him, send a message to him
directly! he will be flooded with mails and he will learn the lesson!
From: U53077@uicvm.uic.edu (Li, Dong 312-996-0509)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Wanted: a bedroom near IIT in Chicago
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:26:03 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Supersedes: <92223.084304U53077@uicvm.uic.edu>

Dear Netters,

One of my friends will arrive at IIT in Chicago this Friday. He needs
a bedroom near IIT. If you have such a bedroom available, please let
me know.

Thank you very much.

Dong Li    u53077@uicvm.cc.uic.edu
From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Good Faith Clause (Was Re: Protection Bill)
Date: 20 Aug 92 07:37:26 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada


    In article <1992Aug19.202955.9168@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> (19 Aug 92)
Eddie Cheng writes,

> The whole point of the bill is that CSS will face prosecution once they
> dare to step on the land of their own country.  That is what the authors
> and other Congress people said on Capital Hill and also what the CSS
> "representatives" said there and here too.
>
> Why the bill did forgive some "brief, innocent" trip to China is however
> beyond me.  What is the big deal with the number 90 anyway?

    The time for older netter to jump in :-).  What is the big deal with
the 90 days?  The legal precedence.  Don't forget US is a litigious country.

    The 1987 amnesty program for undocumented aliens carries the same clause.
If a Mexican illegal worker stayed continuously in Mexico for more than 90
days during the period of 1982-1987, he lost his chance.  He was rejected
not because he wasn't persecuted in his stay in Mexico, not because a stay
of that long indicated he should be able to find a job in his home country,
but because he didn't show enough _good faith_ of taking US as his permanent
residence.  Does it make sense to give you PR if you only live in US on a
"brief, innocent and casual" basis?

    The number 90 is a bit arbitrary, but a line has to be drawn somewhere.
If my memory serves, the original limit is 60 days.  INS yielded to Asians'
complaints later and extended the limit to 90 days.

    No matter what is the name, the bill is an immigration legislature.  The
Congress needs some reasoning to justify the generosity, in return you should
show that you don't have any intention to retain/establish residence outside
the country you want to adopt.

    If you stayed longer than 90 days in China, you may refer some cases of
the amnesty program.  I remember, at 1987, INS would accept applications if
the long stay was caused by something you could neither foresee nor control.

    But be careful.  If the mother got a heart attack and had to undertake
a by-pass operation in the 87th day, you are OK.  However, if the mother
has a long record of heart trouble, you will be rejected.  Because now the
operation is not unforeseeable.  It is common for CSS to go back and pick
a wife, but to fall in a sudden love is a reason not good enough.  INS may
argue, unless the bride is the now infamous Shanghai killer conductor, the
wedding is not an event you couldn't control.

    I am unable to help further.  But a good lawyer should have some ideas
for people in marginal status, if the bill will be passed in its present
form.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.china
From: tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:46:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: gibdo.1992Aug20.003556.16931
Organization: clearer than blir

In article <4329@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> news@comlab.ox.ac.uk writes:
>>In article <FELIX.92Aug16112918@crowfix.com> felix@crowfix.com (Felix Finch) writes:
>>I also missed the more recent apologies of the Chinese
>>rulers to their own people for Tianmen (sp?) Square.
>
>So Chinese people should accept both massacres because two governments
>refuse to apologize.  Remarkable.
>
>-- T.H. Tse

No. I think the point is that Chinese should demand change (in the
form of apologies, revised textbooks, etc.) from their own gov't just
as much or more than they do of Japan. Japan won't listen and won't
apologize if China's position appears to be hypocritical in such
matters. If your position is consistent I have no problem with it. If
you apply Japan to a different standard than your own country I do
have a problem with it.

In fact, the point is that you *shouldn't* accept either massacre.  It
appears the Chinese people have silently accepted the Tianmen Massacre
because I don't see any public movements to demand an apology for that
atrocious act of the Chinese Gov't. In that light it appears somewhat
hypocritical to put so much effort into changing the policies of a
gov't that isn't even your own when you appear to have plenty of work
to do at home in China.

-- Tad Perry   Internet:    tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
               CompuServe:  70402,3020
               NIFTY-Serve: GBG01266
From: ningwang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ning Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: FURTHER THOUGHTS---HOW DARE YOU DUMMY, to Xiaoxia
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:34:54 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Aug11.203903.13298@ohrd.uucp> ohrd!ahchan@cs.toronto.edu (Arthur Chan) writes:
>usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>: In article <1992Aug5.163858.4842@gw.wmich.edu> 31he@gw.wmich.edu writes:
[31he's article in FULL deleted]
>
>Well said!!! 
>             Arthur

Wow, 77 lines and only 2 from yourself..
Not-so-well said :)
BTW, tell me this. Did you really mean what you posted, or did you only
want to repost the original article?

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen)
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in China
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 10:08:38 EDT
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

In article <9208180022.AA08936@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> lho@MENTOR.CC.PURDUE.EDU (Your Father) writes:

FUCK YOUR MOTHER, L Ho.

>In article <199208171938.AA10725@thames.bu.edu>, lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU writes:
>
>[deleted]
>
>|> As one surviving the famine, I feel obligated to say that was simply a lie.
>|> There was a famine from late 1959 to mid 1963. I know a village where half
>|> of the population were starved to death. However, there was no such thing
>|> as cannibalism happened in China in such period, to the best of my knowledge.
>|> 
>|> Some young friends may not understand why farmers did not rebel, so they
>|> tend to accept the rumored cannibalism as truth.
>|> 
>|> The fact is: the Chinese overnment still managed to strictly control the
>|> situation. How they could do that is another intersting question, but that
>|> was a fact. No rebellion existed at that period. Period.
>|> 
>|> The Big Leap Forward and resulted famine is one of the most serious crime
>|> of Lao Mao committed to Chinese people and nation. No problem about this,
>|> but rumor about cannibalism is only an insult to those suffered.
>
>What an argument!  Do you know everything happened in China?  May be you 
>should give people more information how you survived? Where did you live and
>what do you eat during the famine? That might provide more insight on which
>your arguments are based on?

Do you know everything in China? L Ho? Better shut up if you do not. If one
wants to tell anything about Cannibalism in China, give the evidence. Xiao Li's
argument is certainly reasonable and polite. If you do not want to be a gentleman,
we have no reason to treat you as a gentleman. Go home and get your mother fucked.

>
>L Ho
>

J Chen
Department of Chemistry
University of Michigan
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Hong Kong and ...
Date: 13 Aug 92 10:00:05 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Do you notice that President Yang of China recently hinted armed intervention
of Hong Kong by PLA (before 1997) if there is a chaos in Hong Kong?
I think that the British press reported this incident about one or two weeks
ago. Then, the incident appeared in Stoke Exchange Market of Shenzhen.
Today British press reports that Hong Kong authourity suspended 10 public
companies share trading without given a specific reason. Also, it reports
that the mayor of Shenzhen announced the authourity is going to change
the way of issuing shares according the norm of international practice.
Is there any link among the above events?

what do you think? yong
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From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 16 Aug 92 20:58:19 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA


 Godamn logic! 

>Pardon me for being sarcastic and cynical, but I guess I missed the
>occasion of China apolgizing to Japan for the long-ago invasion
>attempts.  

 Do the Koreans and Chinese ask for appologies for the Japanese 
harrasments of hundreds of years, which happened in the far past ?

 The hurts from the war are still in many people's mind. If you want 
the chinese people to tolerate the facts that the crimes are still 
coverred in Japan, if you view it natural for the victims to hold 
the agony in our hearts, what can you expect?

>I also missed the more recent apologies of the Chinese
>rulers to their own people for Tianmen (sp?) Square.  Please forgive
>me for these lapses.

This sorta reasoning that one wrong doing justifies another one 
is really childish.
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: she needs?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:02:56 GMT

Article 47074 of soc.culture.china:
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: She needs money
Keywords: money, money, money, money........
Organization: CCP
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:01:51 GMT

I am wondering if the following is somehow related to the culture.

Mary's Father is visiting her from China. They have not seen each other
since she left China about five years ago.  He'll be back home soon.  Before  
his coming, Mary and her husband John promised him that they
will satisfy her brother's request, 'LEND' her brother $10,000 for him to
establish a bussiness in China.  Her father is prepared to take this
money back.  Also he is ready to take his duty-free luxury motorcycle home.
In addition, he is asking a new big screen tv, although Mary already bought
him one just couple years ago.  Her father is talking repeatedly that
before his leaving for U.S.A., many of his fiends and relatives were very
happy. They kept saying that the father was so lucky, he had such a 'good'
daughter in US.  "You must bring some gifts for me!" Mary is still a
student here. John graduated and has a $38,000/year job only for two years.
Mary is trying her best to not let her father dispointed, also trying to
not make her husband too upset. Mary says: "It's this simple-- I need only  
money."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan
From: zwang@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Zheng Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Looking for a friend
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:46:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

Zeng Ming
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Japs don't say SORRY to China?
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:05:24 GMT

In article <BssIrH.7Jr@acsu.buffalo.edu> ningwang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ning Wang) writes:
>In article <1992Aug8.120111.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au> bioysl@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes:
>>The Japanese emp. is likely visiting China this October, but will NOT express
>>apology about invading China in 1930's.  Can someone confirm this news.
>>
>>If it is true, I think we should try to give some pressure to the Japs and ask
>>them to DI1 TOU2 REN4 ZUI4 and pay the compansations to our people.
>>
>>Don't you think, guys?
>
>Agreed!!
Be careful! West used Japan against us before! They could do it against!
Do you notice some Westeners push Japanese to front(praise them against us),
in order to belittle us? Do not fall into trap again.