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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:36:43 CDT
From:         Rick Troth <troth@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      running FONTLIB

        For installing DCF,  how do you run FONTLIB?

        (this is my every-other-year headache,  EPIC)

Rick Troth <troth@ricevm1.rice.edu>, Rice University, I/S VM Systems Support
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:55:28 CDT
From:         Marty Hoag <NU021172@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Forward substitute Xedit

   To avoid someone replying to the wrong place I use PASS instead
of FORWARD.  PASS is just an xedit macro which stacks a REPLY * after
the forward.  (I haven't tried this on recent SAA releases of Rice MAIL).
I'll include the WHOLE thing below!  ;-)

   Of course this doesn't fix certain broken mail user agents which pick
the wrong reply address but it is helpful.   Marty




/*
    PASS - alias of FORWARD command of MAIL

    PASS - Identical to FORWARD but invoke the "REPLY *" option
           afterwards...    Marty Hoag 03/09/89  */

    parse arg args

    queue 'FORWARD' args
    queue 'REPLY *'
    exit 0
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 10:59:23 CDT
From:         "Colegate V. Spinks" <ZCVS@ADM.ANGELO.EDU>
Subject:      PC version of RiceMail

I rember some discussion a while back about a program that was developed
to run under MSDOS that would take RiceMail Notebooks and allow you to
process them with similar functionalability to RiceMail on the PC. Could
someone let me know where it is?  Many thanks.
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 10:21:04 CDT
From:         "Richard A. Schafer" <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: To: field built for Reply

On Wed, 30 Sep 1992 08:31:54 EST Nick Laflamme said:
>I get a lot of mail from LISTSERVs where the To:  field name I see is
>"Multiple recipients of..." I haven't been watching this too carefully,
>but I'm getting the idea that when MAIL builds a reply to such a note,
>it honors the Reply-to:  field for where to send it, but the name is
>often taken as "Multiple recipients of...", not the name given in the
>Reply-To:  field.

Yes, I believe this does in fact occur, although it was not intended, and
arguably can be thought of as a bug.  As part of the rewrite done to handle
headers better while reparsing, to fix the problem with :list names file
entries :notebook tags not being honored, the code now only keeps a
single name for any userid@nodename pair.  In some cases (to my surprise),
the code appears to use the first name found, rejecting any others.  For
example, mail yourself a message, and put a replyto at the top pointing
to yourself, but with a different name.  The dialog box at send confirmation
will use the replyto name, not the one in the To line.  However, when
replying to that message, the To line of the reply will get built with the
*last* name found.

Yeah, I guess this is probably a mistake, if only because of the inconsistency.
The problem now comes in deciding whether to use first or last all the time.

Richard
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 07:51:23 EST
From:         Paul Ribeiro <ACAD8012@RYEVM.RYERSON.CA>
Subject:      PF Key labels

how do you change the labels on pf keys? the docs say to re-assign keys
you can "SETMAIL PF13 6" to move the definition of PF13 to PF6.
(I want PF6 to be "FORWARD".) This works except that the label still
says "Include" ...how can I change it?
thanks,
/Paul
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:37:14 CST
From:         "John H. Fuller" <JFULLER@UMINN1.BITNET>
Subject:      Screen Flash with No Incoming Mail

Release 92.01.03

   When the command   "mail"  is entered in CMS and there is no
incoming mail, it appears that RiceMail enters XEDIT, anyway,
which causes a rather disturbing "screen flash" before the message
"No mail was found in your mailbox" appears.  Entering the command
          "mail (trace L"
seems to verify this behaviour.
   Is anyone else experiencing this?  Is there a fix?

--------------
John H. Fuller
Computer Information & Services           USPS:  CIS
Phone:    (612)-624-7788                         50 Coffey Hall
Bitnet:   JFULLER@UMINN1                         1420 Eckles Ave.
Internet: JFULLER@VM1.SPCS.UMN.EDU               University of Minnesota
                                                 St. Paul, MN  55108
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:14:11 LCL
From:         Bob Jones <BJONES@UNF1VM.BITNET>
Subject:      Forward substitute Xedit

I'd be interested in locating and receiving an XEDIT to use with
RiceMail that would act like the FORWARD function, except that it
would copy the entire old message, including headers, as harmless text
into a new SENDable message.  The objective is to disable all of the
original from, sender, resent-xx information in the header.

You guessed it -- When I forward messages, the recipients usually
end up replying to a list and not me...to everyone's embarrassment!

Thanks.

Bob Jones   (904) 646-2552 : SUNCOM 861-2552 : FAX 904-646-2719
Head, Public Services Division, and Library Systems Coordinator
University of North Florida Library              P.O. Box 17605
4567 St. Johns Bluff Road, South         Jacksonville, FL 32216
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 08:31:54 EST
From:         Nick Laflamme <NLAFLAMM@IRISHVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      To: field built for Reply

I get a lot of mail from LISTSERVs where the To:  field name I see is
"Multiple recipients of..." I haven't been watching this too carefully,
but I'm getting the idea that when MAIL builds a reply to such a note,
it honors the Reply-to:  field for where to send it, but the name is
often taken as "Multiple recipients of...", not the name given in the
Reply-To:  field.

Has anyone else seen this, or am I just imagining things?  This is with
92.01.03.

Thanks,
Single Recipient of MAILBOOK list

* NLAFLAMM@IRISHVMA.BITNET
* Dominique.P.Laflamme.1@nd.edu
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:46:51 -0700
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From:         Maura Pollock-Moneyhon <ICMAP@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Reserve

 *** Resending note of 09/25/92 10:25
 To: ICMAP   --ASUACAD


 At Arizona State University, we place an announcement in the University
 Faculty/Staff publication reminding faculty to bring in their course list
 early in order to ensure the material is available for the students when the
 semester begins. If they submit their list three weeks prior to the beginning
 of the semester we will pull the items from the shelf for them.
 We take reserve requests any time, the bulk of the lists are submiited one
 week before classes begin thru 3 weeks after classes have begun. Requests are
 generally filled within 24hrs, on a first come first served basis. During peak
 times the turn around time can be up to 2-3 days.
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 11:46:57 CST
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From:         cHRIS hANSON/utsa <1LICXH@UTSAVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The Questions We Answer!
              3 Oct 1992 01:28:49 -0500 from <JONESS@GANDLF.UINDY.EDU>

No third floor, Sara?  We are on the second and third floors of a four
floor building (Cafeteria and Admissions on the first floor and the
University Administration on four.)  Wanna play You-Can't-Get-There-From-
Here?  The Library elevators run between two and three.  The others run
between one and four.  There are outside stairs and ramps from one to two,
and inside stairs from one to the outer lobby of the Library on two.  Then,
of course, there are stairs from two to three, but there are no visible
stairs from three to four.  We get gold stars for courteous directional
information given over and over and over and ....

Chris Hanson
The University of Texas at San Antonio
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:23:47 CDT
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From:         kendall <KSIMMONS%UKANVM.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Self-service checkout
              24 Sep 1992 15:57:01 -0400 from <batista@A1.RELAY.UPENN.EDU>

Patron-initiated renewals and recalls - and Interlibrary Loan requests...
yes indeed.  Self-self checkouts?  Pretty skeptical.  Online searches?
No way...we haven't the staff to become a paging service, which is exactly
what we'd become here.

KS
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:16:10 CDT
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From:         kendall <KSIMMONS%UKANVM.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Staplers, Kleenex and Hole-Punchers
              2 Oct 1992 09:11:00 EST from
              <N93774%PITTVMS.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

There are chained-to-the-table heavy-duty staplers and hole punches
outside photocopy one flight up from the circ desk, but we'll let people
use our stapler if they ask.  By the circ desk is a machine that sells
pens, pencils, notebook and typing paper, which has eliminated a lot of
those requests.  I agree with Rusty that change is our number 1 request,
and right by the sign that says, Sorry, we don't give out change.

But my favorites requests are from the people asking if we sell stamps.
Huh?

Kendall
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:05:00 EST
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From:         "W.C. DIVENS" <N93774@PITTVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Thank-you

Which goes to support my theory that some of the BEST 'circies' are
recruited from the front lines of retail...give me a person who has
dealt with the 3:00 AM semi-drunk patrons at the local McD's than the
average Lib Sch graduate.  Some of my BEST people never worked in a
library before...but certainly did stand across the counter from
customers at some point.

I kinda laugh when I see a 'Head of Circ' position posted requiring
a MLS.  Not to demean the MLS...but if I were writing the job description
I might put in that I preferred someone who managed a billing department,
a complaint department, a fast-food chain, whatever.

It is quite true...circ is like combat.  You can talk about it, second
guess tactics and events, tell everyone how it can be done better...but
until you have been there, you ain't got no idea what it is like.

Like Beretta was so fond of saying..."that's the name of that tune!".

Comisseratively,
Rusty
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:59:20 MST
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Thank-you

On Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:05:00 EST W.C. DIVENS said:
>I kinda laugh when I see a 'Head of Circ' position posted requiring
>a MLS.  Not to demean the MLS...but if I were writing the job description
>I might put in that I preferred someone who managed a billing department,
>a complaint department, a fast-food chain, whatever.

 Yup...lots to that...and our head of circ exemplifies that very well.
He never worked in library before, has military and corporate experience
with patrons and others.....does a bangup job.

   Knows how to compromise when necessary, but tough as nails also...

dan

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* Associate University Librarian      Internet: alileste@idbsu.idbsu.edu    *
* Boise State University                                                    *
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:53:28 CST
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From:         Danny Wilson <wilsond@LIB.UCSF.EDU>
Subject:      RE:A READER COMMENTS

Spoken truly like someone who has never had the experience of being on the
"other side of the counter."  I'm sure you would find with all of us
(meaning those who work in Circ. units), that we do not always think we are
right or that all of our staff are right.  BUT, we do all realize the
difficulty of working with the public and have the need to discuss/"blow
off steam"  on this venue.  My apologies if the reader finds this offensive.
. .
Danny J. Wilson
UCSF Library
(415) 476-5579
wilsond@knowman.lib.ucsf.edu
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:02:48 CEN
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From:         Linda Morrissett <MORRISS@WKYUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: IDs

We are another NOTIS site using patron SSN as an ID number.  The entire
campus uses this.  The biggest drawback we have encountered is when a
foreign student comes in s/he is assigned a SSN lookalike number.  Later,
when s/he acquires an official SSN, there are two numbers assigned to
that person-- a clerical headache, especially when we aren't notified
of the change.

Then there are the two (that I know of) students whose numbers were
miskeyed in the student masterfile.  These poor people fought for months
to get grades, etc. because they were not on file.  We had to set up
incorrect SSN records, then change them when the students got their
records straightened out!

Also, ditto on the extra digit at the end so you can change
status of the patron to replacement ID or from student to staff, for
example.

Linda Morrissett
Circulation Services Supervisor
Western Kentucky University
Bowling Green, KY  42101

MORRISS@WKYUVM.bitnet
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:18:08 CDT
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From:         ted ficklen <SWGFICK@UMSLVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Just curious???

Most of our regular patrons come in everyday through the course of the
academic year and are pretty nice to us.  I never thought about how
REALLY nice they were until I was out for surgery this summer--I received
more get well cards from faculty and student patrons than I did from my
co-workers!  Yuh never know.

Ted Ficklen
Health Sciences Library
University of Missouri-St Louis
swgfick@umslvma
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:53:15 -0700
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From:         "Ginny Sylvester, Head, Access Services" <IACVRS@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      community card cost

 At Arizona State, we implemented a $25/year charge for our community
 cards on July 1st.  So far ...so good.  In order to qualify for the card,
 the person must be over-21 and be a resident of Arizona.
 There is no charge for students/staff/faculty of the other two
 Arizona universities or for alumni who are members of the alumni
 association (although our Dean is working on a plan to get the alumni
 to either refund us part of their membership fee or for us to bill
 alumni a smaller amount.)
 We also offer free temporary borrowing privileges to faculty visiting/
 working in the area with their valid faculty cards (we have a lot of
 parttime visitors once the snow flies back in the midwest).
 We do not issue corporate cards.
 Members of the Libraries' friends group get the card for $20/year.
 The age 21 requirement has been around for a long time and is the result
 of our own faculty's honest/accurate fear that our collections would all
 be checked out to community college students if we lowered the age to 18.
 We have over 40,000 students (includding one small branch campus with 5,000)
 and tend to be a single copy library and the comm coll libraries tend not
 to collect the printed word...only audiovisual...or even just online indexes
 and hookups!q
 All community borrowers get 14 day checkout (same as our undergrads)...only
 exception really is the faculty from our two sister universities in AZ...they
 get the same as our own faculty (150days).

 --Ginny Sylvester  602 965-3605
 __Hayden Library
 __Arizona State University
 __Tempe, AZ 85287-1006  iacvrs@asuacad
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:50:17 EDT
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From:         Carol Goodson/West GA College <CGOODSON@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: RE:Staplers, Kleenex and Hole-Punchers
              1 Oct 1992 21:41:22 CST from <wilsond@LIB.UCSF.EDU>

On Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:41:22 CST Danny Wilson said:
>We also offer scotch tape (on order of Administration because of patron
>complaints), and pencils (these are horrible short golf pencils that no one
>wants to take---we get them for free).
>
***we do all the usual plus White-Out & pens....has anyone tried selling any
of these essential supplies over the Circulation counter?  I tried to get the
administration at my previous library to do this, but they wouldn't go for it.
I still think it's a great idea...not to make money, but to provide the
things that people really need, but often forget!  To me, it would be a real
service...does anyone agree?

..................................................................
| Carol Goodson, Coordinator/Off-Campus Library Services         |
| Ingram Library, West Georgia College                           |
| Carrollton  GA  30118                                          |
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 10:38:00 EST
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From:         "W.C. DIVENS" <N93774@PITTVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Change at the desk

>Would that that were true here! However, I think the change problem is going
>to end for almost everyone within a few years, when the debit card thing
>takes over...we are even going to switch over to it on our campus this coming
>year, I hear....Yea!!!!!

Before you buy the party poppers....you may find that the Debit Cards
can also introduce their own version of problems.  A patron with
an erased debit card can be hard to handle, depending on the
policy in place for issuing replacements!

Rusty
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 10:37:00 PST
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From:         "Diane Keen, UCR Science Libraries" <KEENDI@UCRVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: circ policies (serials)

There are two science libraries at Univ. of Calif. Riverside.
The Bio-Ag Library circulates unbound journals for 24 hours; bound
journals for 3 days.  This is for all users.
Physical Sciences Library circulates latest issues for two hours; other
unbound issues for 24 hours; bound journals except chemistry (QD's) for
1 week.  Chemistry journals do not circulate.  Journals are allowed to
circulate only to UCR faculty, staff, and students, and alumni with library
cards.
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 08:46:00 CST
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From:         "NAME JANET PATTERSON, RESERVE LIBRARY,
              UWEC" <PATTERJL@CNSVAX.UWEC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Staplers, Kleenex and Hole-Punchers

At our Reserve Public Service Desk (across the hall from the largest study
room on campus) I allow use of scissors, stapler, period!

My rule is no "hard supplies" -- meaning things that cost $$ for replacements.
No tape, pencils, paper, white out, etc.  I used to let the patrons use
the hole punch, but I was going thru hole punches at a VERY HIGH rate, so
I purchased a heavy duty desk model and it is now back in the staff area.

If something gets stolen, I am VERY, VERY SLOW to replace it.  For some time
we tell people who want to "borrow" the item that it was stolen, and in the
interest of their tuition will replace eventually, but it may take a while.

Not too much gets stolen because the must use the items at the desk, they
may not "just take this over to the study room for a second."

janet patterson
university of wisconsin-eau claire
patterjl@uwec.edu
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:54:45 CDT
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From:         ted ficklen <SWGFICK@UMSLVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Staplers, Kleenex and Hole-Punchers

What peripherals do you offer at your Circ Desk?
About a year ago, we stopped buying Kleenex for the circulation desk
and I must say I've heard more complaints about that than anything.

We do have two staplers that we normally keep on the desk, though they
occasionally walk away. We also have a three-hole punch that is the source
of constant complaints because it doesnt do more than a few sheets at a
time.

Anyone have any advice on this? Funny Stories? Anyone ever tried NOT offering
these or other such things at their circ desk?
Ted Ficklen
Health Sciences Library, University of Missouri-St Louis
swgfick@umslvma
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