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From: v064myby@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Christophe J Quaranta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Edinburgh
Date: 8 Oct 92 02:43:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <DBROOKS.92Oct7144647@penge.osf.org>, dbrooks@penge.osf.org (David Brooks) writes...
> 
>chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU ("Bill Harrison (713)-743-2789") writes:
>> Now; try these ;=) Worcester, Gloucester, Leicester, Leominster, 
>> Towcester, Vale of Belvoir, Uttoxeter, Beaulieu...
> 
>I recognize these!  Most of them are towns in Massachusetts.
> 
>Don't forget Reading.
> 
>In Mass., unlike England, Woburn is pronounced anomalously (Woob'rn).  And
>the town of Somerset is in Bristol county.
>--
>David Brooks					dbrooks@osf.org
>Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
>Four more months!  Four more months!




	I was just going to say that.  In Mass, pronouncing Worcester
as "war - chest - er" will draw a prompt correction.  It's Woostah!!
There's also a place in Ohio called Wooster, they were so pissed at
people mispronouncing it they changed the spelling.  And then
there's Hartford, formerly Hertford, Connecticut. Finally, Leicester,
New York, which I thought was spelled "Lester."
						Later,	
						'Q.'
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:29:59 EDT
From: Canuto B. Borromeo III <CB3696A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject:    NEED SOME INFORMATION

I have a good friend that attends university in Wales and I would like to conta
ct her through the network. The question I have is this: What places in Glam ar
e connected? My friend lives somewhere near Trefforest, although I have no idea
 where that is. Any information that you could share with me will be greatly ap
preciated. Thanks!Ben

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sp@osf.org (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Service (or lack thereof)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:38:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.132422.8171@sei.cmu.edu>, firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth) writes:
> USA is better than almost anywhere else.  Nobody smokes in my house, and
> for the past three years nobody has tried - the shift of fashion has gone
> from automatic light-up, to asking permission, to finally realising that
> if the place doesn't smell of filth from top to bottom your filth simply
> isn't wanted.

[...]

> How different from my childhood, when just about everybody smoked.  And
> I had almost continual throat and nasal trouble; after an hour in any
> enclosed public place my eyes would begin to water uncontrollably; after
> two hours the stomach cramps would start - and, of course, everything
> smelled vile.
> 
> On my last trip to Europe, I was taken to a high quality restaurant, and
> halfway through the meal, a man at the next table lit a cigar.  I had to
> run out of the place - it was either that or throw up.  It is very hard
> for most smokers to understand the misery they inflict; I for one am glad
> the habit is dying out.

Although interestingly enough, I saw a report the other day that claimed
that the propoportion of smokers is higher in the US than in any West
European country. However the attitude is different and smokers in the US,
in my experience, don't feel it their 'right' to clog up everyone elses
air space, as opposed to this side of the pond.

Simon.

-- 
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From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Energy Policy (or lack of it.)
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:09:39 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

Just a couple of thoughts.

First, did anyone else notice what Tim Eggar said on Today this morning? At teh
moment Nuclear Electric is being subsidised to the tune of around about 1.2
billion a year. Apparently each coal-miner has cost the government 400,000
pounds in the last 13 years, a figure which is far too much. I noticed, by the
way, that he didn't say what that money had been spent on, though Arthur
Scargill implied it had gone on shutting down coal mines and maintaining them
once they had been shut down. Now multiplying 400,000 by the 30,000 miners the 
government has just sacked gives me a figure not unadjacent to 12 billion, or 
rather less than 1.2 billion per year. So an insignificant nuclear industry is
worth spending money on, whereas an enormous competitive efficient world-class
coal-mining industry is not. It's hardly surprising they've screwed this
country up so much, is it?

Second, was I imagining the report I read in the Grauniad a few days ago which
quoted a government report saying that come 2020 (or thereabouts) we will have
no nuclear power stations and 40% of our electricity will be provided by coal?

I'm just curious.
-- 

Stephen Wilcox             |   Remember what happened to the dinosaurs!
wilcox@maths.oxford.ac.uk  |    I did---and look what happened to me.
From: hugh@sci.kun.nl (Hugh Osborne)
Subject: Re: Currency problems
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:17:17 GMT

In <26839@castle.ed.ac.uk> fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:

>hugh@sci.kun.nl (Hugh Osborne) writes:

>>In <26798@castle.ed.ac.uk> fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
>>>[...] *compulsory* contribution to welfare is wrong.

>>As a point of interest: are you also against compulsory contribution to
>>defence?

>No, I'm not. the main difference between minarchists (most libertarians)
>and anarchists is that minarchists believe that the state is necessary to
>provide defence of people's rights and property. That requires the
>Police, an army, and a Justice system. The  main reason for this is that
>any economy requires that when people work to obtain property, they can
>have some confidence that it will remain theirs. In an advanced economy,
>people must also have some degree of confidence that contracts can be
>legally enforced and that there is some sanction on fraudsters.

You seem to be taking a very statist view here: defence of the
collective existence (from external [and internal!] agression)
calls for compulsory contribution, but defence of individual
existence (against possible starvation) does not.  If you are convinced
that charity and insurance will suffice to provide (basic) welfare, then
I fail to see why you don't trust yourself and your fellow citizens to
voluntarily provide sufficient funds for such a justifiable cause as you
outline above.

--
Hugh Osborne             |            Dept. of Informatics
                       --+--          University of Nijmegen
                        /|\           The Netherlands
_______________________/___\_________ +31-(0)80-65.25.99
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter)
Subject: Re: Stroud
Organization: BNR-Europe-Limited, Maidenhead, England
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:51:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.182958.7780@rz-berlin.mpg.de>, gray@rz-berlin.mpg.de (Struan Gray) writes:
|> Alan Carter commits sacrilige:

Oh no he didn't!

   |> 
   |> [Someone asks if Stroud has really gone to the dogs]

No, he asked if it was really full of hippies!

   |> > Yup. The big stone houses in Painswick are very impressive, but the
   |> > place has always had more Morris Minor pickups per acre than anywhere
   |> > else in the country,
   |> 
   |>   Is this supposed to be a criticism?

No, its an observation!

   |> > it's on the road west to Mid Wales from most bits of England, 
   |> 
   |>   Better and better.
   |> 
   |> > and it's got pretty countryside.
   |> 
   |>   You're really trying to tempt me aren't you.
   |> 
   |> > Have you never taken a look in The Pelican in the middle of Stroud?
   |> 
   |>   There you have me.  What's wrong?  Does it only serve decent beer and
   |> good food?  Inquiring minds want to know.  Lets face it, any town that
   |> can offer hundreds of Moggies, close proximity to Wales, and nice environs
   |> would need a pretty dreadful pub to put me off.  No I don't have long
   |> hair, fifteen children or smell of Patuli.
   
There's nothing wrong, its full of hippies. Its got a windmill on top 
that powers some of the lights, great beer, and three clocks set to 
BST, GMT and PST (Pelican Standard Time) which has nothing to do with 
any other sort of T. I'd spend much more time there, only there aren't
enough rich firms to buy fun boxen for me to hack. By the way, the long 
hair and patuli are optional, and having 15 children has nothing to do 
with it. Also, as well as an enormous hippy population, the area also 
has regular visits from happy convoy and dismal convoy, more regularly
these days since the Police in Wiltshire started being so nasty to them,
back in the mid 80s. It is an area where if you visit someone and eat 
with them, it is normal that some, if not all of the meal will have 
been home produced. The pace of life is (immense generalisation
coming up) pretty gentle, interspersed with occasional bursts of
hysterical mayhem. 

   Alan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   Maidenhead itself is too snobby to be pleasant. It is the haunt of the
   river swell and his overdressed female companion. It is the town of showy
   hotels, patronized chiefly by dudes and ballet girls. 

   Three Men In A Boat, Jerome K. Jerome, 1889
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.politics.british,soc.culture.celtic
From: riordanm@cs.tcd.ie (Mark Riordan)
Subject: Re: Is there any need for that struggle(Re: Irish Rejects Associated (IRA))
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin (Computer Science)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:09:29 GMT

In article <CC.92Oct16120255@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk> cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.152742.594@cs.tcd.ie> riordanm@cs.tcd.ie (Mark Riordan) writes:
>
>   In article <1992Oct15.141311.2320@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>   >
>   >Well, there is no divorce or abortion in the Republic of
>   >Ireland, people have the Gaelic language forced down their
>   >throat at school, there is no honour paid to Mrs. Elizabeth
>   >Windsor, etc, etc. Little things, maybe, but they are what
>   >culture is all about.
>   >
>   There are also many differences which are in Ireland's favour
>   which might have been mentioned in a more balanced posting.
>
>Sure there are, but Matthew was giving the differences which are relevant to
>Northern Ireland people NOT wanting unification.
>
>I'm sure Ireland does plenty of things better, electoral systems for one.
>--
>	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)

Point taken Chris but there are many reasons trotted out regularly
why people would not wish to live in this state.
I was just making the point that Matthew was advocating
the view of one side and was therefore not being particularly balanced.

Some of these old chestnuts about life in the 'free state' are taken as
given without any examination. For instance would the oft quoted parts
of the constitution survive an influx of 1.5 million northerners. 

MARK

-- 
--
| riordanm@cs.tcd.ie	Mark Riordan, MIPS Project		|
|			Computer Science Dept. Trinity College	|
| 			Dublin 2, Ireland			|
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From: ulick@liszt.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.politics.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Is there any need for that struggle(Re: Irish Rejects Associated (IRA))
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:27:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct16.142737.8327
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame

In article <1992Oct15.190758.9875@infodev.cam.ac.uk> ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant) writes:
>In article <SEANR.92Oct15095055@spock.retix.com> seanr@spock.retix.com (Sean MacRoibeaird) writes:
>>long been a point of discussion in Ireland.  To say that  it is forced
>>down one's  throat  is bullshit.   It  is a compulsory  subject, as is
>>English  and Mathematics, and  is taught  in  exactly the same manner.

Once upon a time, Irish was a special subject.  My father failed his 
Leaving first time he did it, because he failed Irish, which is traditionally
poor in Wexford.  Failure of Irish is no longer a failure of the exam.

>Is it still true that doing a, say, physics exam in Irish gets automatically
>10% more marks than doing it in English?  I read a book by Frank Delaney

There are bonuses for doing exams in some subjects through Irish, either
5% or 10%.  IMHO, anyone who can master a subject like Physics in Irish,
with no good textbooks, deserves a bonus.

>immigrants to Ireland, for whom English might already have been a foreign
>language.

Immigrants 11 or over are exempted from compulsory Irish.  

>By the way, what language is used to study the work of Burke, Wilde, 
>Shaw, Yeats, Joyce, and Beckett in Ireland?  Can one (if one wants) do
>"Finnegans Wake" in translation?

One cannot study a trabslation of a literary work, but I think, literary
discussion questions can be answered in Irish.


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
+ 'There was a  master come unto the earth, + Ulick Stafford, PP-ASEL       +
+    born in the holy land of Indiana,      + Dept of Chemical Engineering, +
+ in the mystical hills east of Fort Wayne'.+ Notre Dame, IN 46556          +
+      B'fhearr liom bheith ag eitilt.      +    ulick@bach.helios.nd.edu   +
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Re: Southwell (was Re: Edinburgh)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:15:49 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Oct14.105400.9024@cs.hw.ac.uk> nick@cs.hw.ac.uk (Nick Taylor) writes:
>
>Yep, I was thinking of the place near Nott'num. I have a problem with phonetic
>spelling here. It didn't occur to me that anybody would pronounce the south in
>southall as anything other than suth. Sorry - my mistake. You say you know
>some residents who pronounce it suthle. This surprises me. I'd be interested
>to know if the natives are now using "suthle".
>
Well, my uncle-in-law was housemaster at the choir school associated with
Southwell Minster for over twenty years (I believe he recently retired),
and I never heard him pronounce it as anything but "suthle".


-- 
John Francis                                 johnf@apollo.hp.com
with 9 cats to feed, I don't have time to think up a clever .sig
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.motorcycles
From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: Know someone at Triumph or Norton???
Originator: kevinh@nath
Reply-To: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:10:22 GMT


In article <1992Oct6.182924.2090@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
|> In <SES.92Oct6115651@cmns-sun.think.com> ses@cmns-sun.think.com (Simon Edward Spero) writes:

|> >The rebirth of Triumph is little short of amazing; they have an ultra modern
|> >factory, and are producing a full range >750 bikes, using a very modular 
|> >design; they're currently sorting out an importer for the States- these are
|> >mainstream bikes that are as good as or better than the Japs. 
|> 
|>  Funny, I used to ride a Bonnie for 8 years. I ride a Jap bike now but
|> still can't bring myself to call these new ones Triumphs. There is
|> absolutely nothing Triumph to these things except the logo.

Well, they have designed and manufactured their own engine, frame etc. 
Sure - they've copied frame designs that were current about 4/5 years 
ago - but that's just safe, sound, commercial sense?

What would have satisfied you?, something re-incarnated like an Enfield
Bullet???

|>  It's a
|> rip-off of an old, no, legendary name.

So is producing Harleys with a design that's 25+ years old, relying on
an old name but with certain popular design attributes. 

The Japanese bike and car industry both started copying (british mainly) 
designs until they became successful enough to design and produce their 
own products, and they seem pretty good at it now!!

How could the new Triumph company have done it any differently??

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: BBC Radio 4 Longwave
Originator: kevinh@nath
Reply-To: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:54:38 GMT


In article <1992Oct13.163543.6750@unipalm.co.uk>, keith@unipalm.co.uk (Keith Mitchell) writes:
|> 
|> I do not understand why people are so against FM - AM, especially LW,
|> sounds particulary awful

Try picking up R4 in Switzerland with FM!!!

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: streater@unixjr.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Tim Streater)
Subject: Re: Driving in UK.
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 07:03:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.183036.5681@software.org> antonson@software.org (Todd S. Antonson) writes:
>
>I am going to England for a week in November and plan to get a
>rental car.  Does anybody know if I need to get an international
>drivers license and if so, where I get it?  I currently have a
>Virginia (USA) drivers license.
>
I always produce my California licence and have never had a problem.

tin.
From: mossop@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Antony Mossop)
Subject: Re: Service (or lack thereof)
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:09:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.081118.1491@osf.org> sp@osf.org (Simon Patience) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.202155.21552@morrow.stanford.edu>, mossop@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Antony Mossop) writes:


>Although pollution is still pollution, regardless of the 'quality'.

This was meant more as an, unclearly written, continuation on the
theme of certain pollutants maybe being the problem. It's not that
wild an assertion, some non-smokers do find pipe tobacco less
offensive etc. and manufactured cigarettes do contain sizable quantities
of saltpetre ( => irritating NO compounds). Reaction most certainly
does depend on the particular pollutants involved. Still I totally
accept your belief that for most people who react to tobacco smoke it
is probably not the adulterants, but soot, tar etc.. common to all
tobacco smoke that causes them problems (I just felt like being
pedantic instead of getting on with my work).


Tony Mossop, geophysics, Stanford
From: nick@cs.hw.ac.uk (Nick Taylor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Privatisation snippets
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:09:17 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Oct13.115324.5165@osf.org> david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) writes:
>
>In article <JIM.92Oct12172829@hunter.cs.strath.ac.uk> jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid) writes:

>>:The difference is that the Government has been *deliberately* selling
>>:off shares in the nationalised industries at artificially LOW prices.
>
>Maybe you could produce some evidence to support this claim ?

When a share issue is as grossly (grotesquely?) over-subscribed as gas,
electricity and water were (to name but a couple of dozen) the market has
provided your evidence. Seems like nobody trusts "the market" anymore... If
only ...

Nick.
From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Does being Tory mean you're Thick
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:46:27 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

In article <13OCT199210180785@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>but I suggest that being Tory simply means that you're thick.  Anyone who can
>be persuaded by the recent bullshit from the government must be intellectually
>challenged.

Being Tory, or voting Tory?  Have you seen what 10 years of Labour 
(different party, similar policies and people) has done to Australia?
Yes, Young Conservatives are a low form of life, but so are the Labour
equivalent (our department is next to Social and Political Science,
I have to walk past people with public-school accents in donkey jackets
selling Socialist Worker every day...)
From: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Car Boot Levers
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:45:56 GMT
Reply-To: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Organization: Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.

In article <1992Oct7.114350.24738@its.bt.co.uk> tjo@its.bt.co.uk
(Tim Oldham) writes:
>I've always been dubious of the utility of this feature; how can
>you lock something in the boot to keep it safe(r), if you can get into
>the boot just by pulling a lever?

	In the Cavalier, it's a button, which (of course) works only if
the ignition is on.

-- 
Andy Walker, Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.
anw@maths.nott.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: Service (or lack thereof)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 12:50:00 GMT

In article <BvwA9w.Dt5@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU>, streater@unixjr.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Tim St writes...
>In article <1992Oct9.093940.22303@osf.org> sp@osf.org (Simon Patience) writes:
>>> 
>>> Why?
>>
>>That he would be happy to limit/curtail his global experience simply so he
>>doesn't have to try to avoid cigarette smoke. It feels sort of defeatist
>>to me.
> 
>I take your point but it depends how bad it is. It's also the case that having
>spent some time here in a smoke-free zone, it's quite bad having to put up
>with any. One's tolerance gets lowered, which is of course quite unfortunate
>from the perspective of visits to most of the rest of the world.
>>
>>Don't think I like (or tolerate) smoke, I just keep looking for nice
>>places where I can avoid it, in perhaps what might be an otherwise 
>>smoky environment.
>>
>How do smokers there tend to react to requests that they not smoke in your
>house/office/while you are eating? Just curious.
> 
>tin.

They get very pissed off indeed, some (like me) just leaving the house, office
etc.

Laurence
From: fbowles@gssec.bt.co.uk (frank)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Edinburgh
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:48:31 GMT
Organization: BT

In article <BvxI9L.51o@CAM.ORG>, dunn@CAM.ORG (Ray Dunn) writes:
|>  ...
|> >By the way, something different, what's the correct pronunciation of
|> >the name "John Menzies"?
|> 
|> To me it's always been "Mingis", but I was reading something,
|> somewhere, just recently about something, no, about the fact that
|> since the John Menzies chain has spread south of the border they have
|> decided that the obvious pronounciation should be used.

The old Scottish "g" and "z" used to be written in a very similar
fashion in tradtional script.  Hence Menzies is with a g-sound not a
z-sound.

(Note also Fife MP Menzies Campbell; Dundee suburb Menzieshill, both
with g-sound)


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