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From: tscwhitehead@vx9000.weber.edu (Clarke Whitehead)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Salt Lake City Question
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:38:00 GMT
Organization: Weber State University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BzEoMB.3z4@encore.com>, jpenovic@encore.com writes...
>Hi.  We'll be in Utah soon.  My husband and I have our own
>skis, but we need to rent equipment for my six year old
>daughter.  
> 
>Can someone suggest a reasonably priced rental place that
>rents kid's equipment?  I'd rather it not be at one of the ski
>resorts because we plan to ski at several, and I don't want to
>have to go back to any particular place the day before we leave.
> 
>We'll be staying near the entrance to Little Cottonwood canyon.
> 
>Thanks.
>********************************************************************
>TTFN,    ___           *   jpenovic@encore.com

By renting your equipment in the city rather than at the resorts or
close to them, you will save some money.  I haven't rented for about
3 years, but used to like the "Breeze" rental shops.  The closest
ones to Little Cottonwood would be at "9353 S 1300 E" or at
"6319 S. Highland Drive".  I have seen specials where you will get a
kids package free when you rent an adult package, but I haven't had
any experience renting equipment for kids.

Clarke
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From: Pierre Magnenat <PMAGNENA@ULYS.UNIL.CH>
Subject: MADONNA DI CAMPIGLIO RESULTS
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A753A03D86013104@cividy102a.unil.ch>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 15 Dec 92 16:46:21 GMT
Organization: Lausanne University
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:42:30 GMT


Slalom special, Madonna di Campiglio, dec. 15:

1.	Bianchi (Fra)
2.	Tomba (Ita)
3.	Sikora (Aut)
4.	Staub (Sui)
5.	Kuenzi (Sui)

...

_______________________________________________________
Pierre Magnenat  	       	       	       	Tel.   	(021) 692 23 12
Centre Informatique     	       	       	 	Fax.  	(021) 692 22 40
Universite de Lausanne  	       	       	E-mail 	PMAGNENA@ULYS.UNIL.CH
Route de Chavannes 33
CH-1007 LAUSANNE
From: byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:58:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Snowboarders Suck!!! (more chair reference though)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> 
> The Red Line is for loading only.
> 
> If you have to load, stand on the red line!...
> 

Huh?  I though the Red Line was:

1) Time to shift up
2) Thin
3) More than a 20 minute wait (at Vail)
4) A trucking company.

Must be a local eatery.

John

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From: harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant)
Subject: Re: How do your feet feel?
Followup-To: world
Organization: Telecom Research Labs. Melbourne, Vic, Australia
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:59:11 GMT

In article <18512@mindlink.bc.ca> John_McKercher@mindlink.bc.ca (John McKercher) writes:
>
>My question is, when you bought your new boots, did they feel comfortable on
>your feet right away or was there a breaking in period after which the fit
>was fine. I have heard comments from people who say that they would never buy
>a boot unless they felt very comfortable in the store. I have also been told
>that with any higher performance boot, it takes a while (plus a few trips to
>the boot fitter) in order to get them just right.

Your boots should have a comfy static fit (in the shop) as well as
dynamic fit (on the slopes).  High performance boots may be a little
less comfortable, but not necessarily.  The main difference is usually
high performance boots are stiffer, which means they may throw you
around more on the slopes.  Usually, you should make sure they feel
great in the store, just walking around - no pressure points, etc.  You
can only tell if the fit is great after skiing on them, when any
dynamic problems will show up.  Close fitting boots do usually need to
be broken in - some people alternate with their old boots, daily or
half daily.  The worst mistake I ever made was to buy a pair of foamed
boots at the end of an Aus season, then take them for 5 weeks in Nth
America.  I had a couple of minor irritations, which swelled due to
constant skiing.  The first ten minutes every morning was pretty bad. I
could have tried altering them, but this might have ruined the fit
later on.  This was right, because once the swelling went down, they
were perfect.

--
Dave Harsant,
Telecom Australia Research Laboratories  |  d.harsant@trl.oz.au
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From: bohack@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (edward.e.harstead)
Subject: Re: Cable binding modification for dual tension 
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:08:01 GMT

In article <LAUNCE.92Dec17113932@medusa.med.utah.edu> launce@medusa.med.utah.edu (Tri-Ungulate) writes:
>I just got a setup from Voile that uses *both* 3-pin *and* cable.
>Basically it is a regular 3-pin binding w/bail, and a "cable" of
>coiled spring/metal clip throw hooked onto the toepiece.  The "cable"
>part is removable, so when I'm hiking or gliding or mellow descents, I
>can take it off.  For steeper stuff, I can hook it back on for a more
>controlled descent.  It's also nice due to the redundancy factor, as
>if one system fails, there's always the other to hold your boot in.

I have a similar binding from Rottefella.  I have experimented with
the cable, but have not noticed any improvement in downhill
control, so I never use it.  Do you really notice the difference
the cable makes?

Ed
From: wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Mt. Snow
Date: 21 Dec 92 04:15:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

>       I was wondering if anyone has any info about Mount Snow.
>       How are the conditions?

The big nor'easter brought over 2 feet of fresh snow to Mt Snow on Dec 11-
Dec 12 according to the ski reports. But there was also a lot of wind, and
much of it was lost. I skied there Monday and Tuesday (12/14, 12/15). Cover
was good on trails with a snowmaking base, but several trails, including
South Bowl, parts of Exhibition, Free Fall (its still Slalom Glade to me),
were closed with lots of grass, twigs & rocks showing; the "thin cover" sign
on Uncle's (and the one they should have put on One More Time) were
understatements to say the least. But The Chute, Fallen Timbers, Ridge
Run, and most of the runs off what used to be the original bubble chair
(chair 9--I don't konw what they call it now) had good cover and were lots of
fun.

The bad news is that they were supposed to get a lot of rain on
Thursday (12/17). I left TUesday night, so I don't know how bad a hit they
took.

Bill Hery
AT&T Bell Labs
201-386-2362
hery@att.COM
From: mtt@kepler.unh.edu (Matthew T Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Snowboarders Suck!!!!
Date: 18 Dec 1992 02:38:25 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu
Summary: all this talk 'bout boarders & skiers

Let's cut the bullshit.  We must learn to live with each other, at least on the slopes(this is recreation, REMEMBER?!).  If your not mature enough to handle
the "other sport", then stay home!


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From: harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant)
Subject: Re: Are "Ladies Skis" really better for women skiers?
Organization: Telecom Research Labs. Melbourne, Vic, Australia
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:26:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.014906.3130@u.washington.edu> bassuk@stein.u.washington.edu (James Bassuk) writes:
>ladies skis are also designed to perform with a lighter skier.....
>you can't compare men and women skiers on the same ski...the height and
>weight factors are tooo great....

Yeah, that's the theory  - if that is really the way they design them.
Should not people of the same weight ski on the same type of
ski (ignoring other factors such as technique, aggression etc)?  But
then, the centre of gravity is different for males and females.  Of
course, there's also a lot of marketing psychology at work here.

--
Dave Harsant,
Telecom Australia Research Laboratories  |  d.harsant@trl.oz.au
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From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Powder
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:03:55 GMT

zod@ncube.com (Operator) writes:

>How does one ski the fresh powder, or the used powder?

Nearly even weight on both skis, weight over center to a little behind
center depending on ski stiffness, flex those hamstring muscles to
develop an weight-unweight rhythm.  Do rotary heel-pushes on the
unweight to effect the turn.

Take a lesson...it'll do wonders.  Flaws in your basic technique can
be revealed & fixed, hence making powder technique easier to
assimilate.

Reserve an Intro week at a CMH lodge.  *THAT'll* teach you how to
powder!

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Nice .sig...:-)
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From: barr@tramp.Colorado.EDU (BARR DOUG)
Subject: Re: Colorado Avalanche Information
Organization: a
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:32:16 GMT

>bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand) writes:
>
>>But, seriously.  Has anyone on this net ever been saved (or have saved)
>>someone with an avalanche beacon.  My friends who use these things
>>say that they are very hard to use and that unless you practice a lot,
>>your chances of finding the victim in time is really small.
>
>No, I've never saved anyone nor been saved using an avalanche
>beacon.  I still wear one though.  My last practice search (in ideal
>conditions) took 3 minutes.  I couldn't match that with another
>search method.
>
>Still, I think Bruce may be suggesting some worthwhile questions:
>Are you more likely to ski an uncontrolled slope when you are wearing
>an avalanche beacon than when you are not?  If so, does your use of
>an avalanche beacon make you safer?
>
Skiing steep slopes out of bounds is hazardous stuff. Fun and thrilling but
hazardous. I too have practiced with pieps and can tell you they WILL find
buried ski partners. And avalanches do happen. 

I know, I was caught in one. It was in March of 1973 at ABasin. Now in those
days not too many people skied the Poly. And that was especially true in 
1973 as it had been closed since Jan. when it climax avalanched clear to 
the ground. Well, about 3 feet of snow had fallen since then and the patrol
decided to open th Poly up. They bombed it by hand and cross cut it and
opened it. I was one of the first non-patrollmen down it. It was the gully
portion right below the cornice (on the right looking down). About 5 turns
down everything cut loose. I was knocked off my feet, and carried about
100 yards. My skis released (but I was wearing safety straps). My gloves
came off. I was never under the snow the whole time. When I stood up I was
shaking. Of course one thing most of us don't thiink about is if we survive
we still have to ski down. And put our equipment back together. Which I 
managed to do. The whole slope had gone clear down to beyond where the 
gully narrows. A harrowing experience. 



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From: mueller@delta.cs.fsu.edu (Frank Mueller)
Subject: Re: Snowboarders Suck!!!!
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 17:37:07 GMT

In article <gf_7Hmy00Vo90Z4Fw0@andrew.cmu.edu>, Martin David Frankel <mf3s+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Are the skills involved with snowboarding closer to those of skiing, or
> of skateboarding?  And are most snowboarders ex-skiiers or
> ex-skateboarders?
> 
> entire subculture has arisen around skateboarding.  I think that
> snowboarding is an offshoot of this subculture, and hence, snowboarders
> tend to be very different in attitudes and cultural values from the
> average skiier.  There is a similar conflict in many urban areas, where

Not! I'm a skier but enjoy snowboarding when I get bored by the two skis
under my feet. I never skateboarded but must admit that snowboard skills
have little to do with skiing. It's closer to wave-surfing or remotely to
windsurfing. I took on the latter after learning how to shred in the snow.

As far as the cultural values (if existent) are concerned, you will be
positively and negatively surprised in both "cultures". Although I believe
that skateboarders generally lack the money required for down-hill skiing.
(Unless the boardheads have grown up meanwhile and are with big blue -- in
which case they probably won't have any time to enjoy life:-)

Frank
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Subject: Re: Snowboarders Suck!!!!
Reply-To: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 14:21:08 GMT

An observation that I have made as snowboarding increases in popularity
in Eastern Ontario/Western Quebec, is that the boarders seem to have a
kind of "pack mentality".  There is almost always a group of 10 or more
together.  This is not a problem until they all decide to stop for 
extended periods of time together on the hill.  This is, of course, 
not acceptable for skiers either but (remember this is a personal obser-
vation) it happens more frequenly with boarders.  Often they just plunk
their butts down in the snow and sit around and in the middle of the run.
This makes it difficult to see them, especially night skiing.

I guess my point is that if you (boarders or skiers) want to sit around 
and chat, either get out of the way, or do it in the chalet.  Don't be
an obstacle for everyone else.


Cheers....Stuart
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Subject: Re: N.Tahoe Conditions, etc. ?
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:21:11 GMT
Organization: Fly GlenAir
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Eric A. Raymond (raymond@kronos.arc.nasa.gov) wrote:

> The Good News:  I heard that the old Red Dog equipment was used to put
>                 in a new lift in Shirley's Canyon!  (I know they have
>                 the new lift, just not sure if they used Red Dog for
>                 it.)

 Well, you're right on the important point, which is that there is indeed 
 a new chair in Shirley Canyon...it's just not the old red dog chair.

 There's also a new chair that goes from the old Papoose daycare to about
 2/3 of the way up the old red dog line. This may not mean all that
 much until you realize that you can now ski Poulsen's Gully without having
 to hike back to the chair! 

 ..glen


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From: raymond@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Eric A. Raymond)
Subject: Re: N.Tahoe Conditions, etc. ?
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:05:08 GMT

ellen@opua.Berkeley.EDU (Ellen M. Sentovich) writes:
>When was the last time they ran Red Dog?  Isn't it extinct?

Now that they have Big Red, they don't run it too much.  They used to
run it when they had upper mountain windhold (which was great).  Red
Dog didn't run at all last year (from what I could tell).

The Bad News:  Red Dog has really been degraded in terms of expert
               terrain from they way it was a few years ago.  The
               winding goat path really cuts off some excellent tree
               skiing AND they rarely open up portions of the trees
               (some of my favorite pockets) accessable from that side
               because it would invite trouble from unknowing masses.

The Good News:  I heard that the old Red Dog equipment was used to put
                in a new lift in Shirley's Canyon!  (I know they have
                the new lift, just not sure if they used Red Dog for
                it.)  Also, Big Red opens up some excellent terrain
                which was never (?) inbounds before.

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From: mmendel@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mark Mendel)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Learn on short or long skis?
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:30:22 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <djm.723860511@phobos> djm@kbs.citri.edu.au (David Mills) writes:

>
>There are three main things affected by ski length:
>	- inertial stability -- easy of turning,
>	- camber -- weight distribution, and
>	- friction -- edge grip
>
>The first category.  The shorter the skis, the easier they are to turn. 

	He then goes on to imply that the reason short skis are easier to turn
is because of thier lower longtitudinal inertia.  Poppycock.  But before we can
discuss the real difference between short and long skis you must
understand the physical mechanisms by which we make skis turn.   

	 Ski turns come in two flavors, carved and windshield-wipered
(most turns are some combination of the two).  In a windshield-wipered turn,
the ski skides laterally as it turns, following trajectory not unlike the
automobile part named after this turn.  

	Carved turns are harder to understand.  Following
the description in  How the Racers Ski (by Whitterell, if I am not mistaken) 
if you put a ski on a flat surface and tilt it onto one of its edges,  because
of its sidecut (i.e. the ski is wider in the tip and tail) the edge will only
touch down only at the tip and the tail.  Now bend the ski backwards into 
reverse camber (by wieghting the ski) and keep bending until the whole 
edge makes contact with the flat surface.   Guess what?   The line of contact
of the edge with the surface is actually an arc.  Turn the flat surface into
snow, and start moving the ski forward and will follow that arc, making a 
wonderful turn with no lateral motion (i.e. no sliding sideways).  Turn the 
snow into ice and it still works just fine.  You cannot do that with a 
windshield wiper.

	The difference between long skis and short skis is that:	
Long skis carve, and short skis windshield-wiper.      

Mark Mendel
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From: obrienms@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (M Scott OBrien)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Washington Skiing
Date: 18 Dec 1992 05:07:39 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: obrienms@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (M Scott OBrien)
NNTP-Posting-Host: o233-20.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

I'm from Washington and as soon as I go home for break I'm going skiing.   
Can anyone tell me some conditions there.  Especially places like White  
Pass, Snoqualmie, Crystal, Mt. Bachelor(Oregon), and Bluewood.

THANKS!!!!!!!


SKI HARD  DIE YOUNG AND LEAVE A GOOD LOOKING CORPSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go Big or Go Home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: carlson@raman.ECE.CMU.EDU (Daniel W Carlson)
Subject: United messed up my flight!
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:46:07 GMT


	I had reserved my flight to go skiing this winter and United
has changed the flights without telling me. This is a warning for 
anybody who is flying United to check your flights. In fact the only
flight I can get from Denver to Jackson, WY is at 8:53 AM. Yikes that
means an early morning from Summit County.
	So how will the traffic be at that time in the morning?
Originally United had me going to Jackson (on Mesa Air) at 6:30pm. What
happened to the flights? And my flight from Jackson back to Pittsburgh
was changed as well. 

	I'm also wondering which of the Summit Co. areas have the best 
lessons. I'm interested in the Copper Mt. Diamond Cutters class. This
will be my third time to the area and my friends and I have enjoyed
Copper a lot. They even alowed us to turn in a lift ticket for a
beginner's lift and lesson for only the difference. Of course we didn't
tell them we got the ticket in Denver at a discount :-)

	Hoping for good snow in Colorado and Wyoming,
		
		Danny "Can't wait for New Years" Carlson



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From: mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer)
Subject: Re: France: La Plagne
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:51:26 GMT

madrid@wam.umd.edu (Gonzalo De Cea-Naharro Romero) writes:

>Hello, I am going to La Plagne from 1-10 of January.  I need some advice on
>what kind of clothing to wear.  Also I would like to know how is the station.
>Will there be plenty of snow?  And any other suggestion.
>Thanks,
>Gonzalo de Cea-Naharro			madrid@wam.umd.edu

Warm clothes are neede in January anywhere in the Alps.  There should be
plenty of snow at that time.  Which part of the station are you going to?

I've been to LP 4 or 5 times and love in there.

Regards,				Encore Computer Corporation
Mike palmer                             6901 W Sunrise Boulevard
90 Layered Software Development         Fort Lauderdale, Fl 33313 
email: mpalmer@encore.com               Telephone: (305) 797-2326
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: >Snowboarders Suck
From: hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 04:11:52 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1992Dec16.215948.5279@nas.nasa.gov> leo@wk69.nas.nasa.gov (Leo Dagum) writes:
>Speed is a big turn on for me,
>and I think a person can go faster down a mountain on skis than on a snowboard.

Well, this is demonstrably true, at least as far as objective speed
measurements go.  What that doesn't tell you is how your speed _feels_
on a snowboard or on skis.  Also the difference isn't very much.  In
the early runs of a speed race which we held last season one snowboarder
was doing runs at about 110 km/hr while skiers were doing 120-130.  Big
deal - 110 is more than fast enough for most people on skis...

>Some people prefer air.  Again, I think a person can do more on skis.

Again the difference is small.  The biggest cliff jumps ever done
(deliberately) on skis are, what, 90 feet?  And the biggest on a
snowboard maybe 70 ft?  That's a lot more than most people would ever
do on skis (beats me, for sure).

>So tell
>me what things can a person do better on a snowboard than he can on skis?

A person can feel like they are snowboarding better on a snowboard than on
skis.  :-|

It's all about feeling.  It really doesn't matter what's strapped to your
feet, just enjoy it and don't get uptight about others enjoying what they do.
The French call it "Glisse".  I like that.

Whatever turns you on.
-- 
Hugh Grierson          Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand - Software Development Centre
hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz                Speaking for myself only.  See figure 1.
    Quote of the decade: "We're not just talking about unpopulated areas
     of the Southern Hemisphere anymore" [Pres. Bush, on the Ozone hole]
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From: jeff@ctaeng.com (Jeff Sherrard)
Subject: Re: WinterPark info
Organization: CTA INC.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:22:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.154652.3576@ods.com> susan@ods.com (Susan Murphy) writes:
>Does anybody know anything about Winter Park in general, 
>and Meadow Ridge condos in particular ?
>
>
>How far is Winter Park from the Denver airport ?
Winter Park is 70 miles from the airport, plan on an hour and a half
drive, or take Home James limo and let someone else drive!

>How are the condos and how far are they from the slopes ? 
The condos are on the east side of the valley overlooking the valley
and the ski area to the west.  They are about 3 miles from the area,

>How is the skiing for a couple of intermediate skiers and
>a couple of beginners ?
Great.

jeff
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