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Subject: Re: How to improve Star Trek
From: Tony Bruno <BRUNO@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 15:03:22 CST
 <rawdon.724721366@cs.wisc.edu><1992Dec19.180030.5102@eng.umd.edu> <rawdon.724791496@cs.wisc.edu>
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Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

-- Regarding "imporving Trek" --

How do you improve Star Trek?

1.  Hire Science Fiction writers and deep-six (or should that be "deep
    nine?" :) ) the "writers" they have on staff now.

2.  Fire Michael Piller.  He can't write, he doesn't know what good writing
    looks like, and (horror of horrors) he *thinks* he can write.  Remember,
    this is the man who brought you BOBW II, Redemption II, (noticing a
    pattern here?) and a couple of others that shock therapy has thankfully
    removed from memory.

3.  Establish a sense of saga to the show.  This does not mean serialization;
    just a sense of a greater story and sweep of history to what is happening
    on screen.

4.  De-emphasize SFX and emphasize characters.  Sadly, you need conditions 1
    and 2 before that will happen.  Fat chance.

5.  Hire techinical consultants.  Let's face it; Mike Okuda is NOT a
    scientist.  Rick Sternbach is NOT a scientist.  Yet Rick Berman
    arrogantly proclaimed that the above winners were "pretty good
    scientists in their own right."  (ST 25th Anniversary Special).
    If they were "pretty good scientists" I wouldn't have to stop
    my Physicist friends from either creasing over in maniacal laughter
    or creasing my TV screen with disgust.

6.  Decide just what in the hell Starfleet is.  Is it a Research service, or
    is it a Military Force?  Hate to break your hearts, but one in many way
    excludes the other.


Of course, none of the above will happen.  Thank gooddess that BABYLON 5
already is DOING the above.  Finally; QUALITY SF on TV.

Tony Bruno
bruno@vm1.nodak.edu
bruno@plains.nodak.edu
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:59:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Beverly heats up... *POSSIBLE SPOILERS*
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current

>Beverly is without a doubt my favorite female in the TNG cast.  I've often
>wonderd how Piccard can keep his hands off her.  (maybe it's the thought of
>having Wes as a son-in-law).
 
Gag.  I'll take worf's mate anytime.  If I had to choose a regular then I'd
be forced to take Troi...might even teach her a new way to eat chocolate.
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Data Watch
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:11:37 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Dec29.044430.29811@umbc3.umbc.edu> ac999239@umbc8.umbc.edu (ac999239) writes:

>Only thing is Crusher and Troi aren't even in the chain of command or 
>not at the top of it. 

Not precisely true.  Everyone aboard a ship is in the *chain* of
command.  Crusher and Troi are not in the *line* of command.
From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: 3-4 shifts
Date: 22 Dec 92 13:00:28 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <qAW=pd+@engin.umich.edu> (William Johnson) writes:
>The person who brought up the stupidity of the shift from 3-4 shifts 
>was very correct.  Did one ever see in TOS anyone getting up in the
>middle of battle or a tense situation saying "My shift is over, time to
>punch out"  I didn't think so.  So it seems that the person's argument makes
>sense, whether or not Starfleet is a military organization.  

Perhaps you could explain this a bit better. What does this have to do
with going from 3 to 4 duty shifts.  A 3 shift system also could change
during a protracted battle.  Perhaps they should have no shifts so that
no one can punch out during a battle.

Jellico wanted the new delta shift on duty when they meet the
Cardassians, but Riker said that gamma shift would still be on duty.
Apparently Jellico wanted a fresh shift when they confronted the
Cardassians and not one that was nearing the end of its watch.
-- 
Tom Kuchar			  
kuchar@buast7.bu.edu		  -or-                      kuchar@plh.af.mil
Department of Astronomy                              Phillips Laboratory/GPOB
Boston Univerity		                                  Hanscom AFB
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From: frnk@cs1.bradley.edu (Paul Ondercin)
Subject: Pittsburgh Schedule
Summary: Scheduled times
Keywords: DSN, Babylon5, SSpace Rangers
Organization: Bradley University
Date:  3 Jan 93 19:00:26 GMT


    This is the schedule for Pittsburgh, PA.

	Star Trek: Deep Space 9
	  Monday, January 4: FOX-53, 8-10PM

	Space Rangers
	  Wednesday, January 6: CBS-KDKA, 8-9PM

	Babylon 5
	  Unknown: Please post if you know.


	 Frnk! :>
--
frnk@bucs1.bradley.edu, frnk@camelot.bradley.edu, am417@cleveland.freenet.Edu

   If you believe in telekinesis raise my hand.
                                      - Dennis Owens
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ... an English-speaking Universe
Date: 29 Dec 92 11:06:24 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <SKLEPZI.22.0@SSB1.SAFF.UTAH.EDU>, SKLEPZI@SSB1.SAFF.UTAH.EDU (Steven Klepzig) writes:
> This may have already been pointed out, so I apologize if I'm repeating 
> someone else.  I haven't followed this thread closely.
> 
> There is no indication that I've seen that all the races/species/whatever 
> encountered in TNG speak english or even english words.  Perhaps there is a 
> small Universal Translator built into each comm badge that is translating 
> for the crew.  This would remove the inconvenience (and cost) of subtitling 
> and the development of different languages for each race/...

If there is such a device in the combadges, it isn't mentioned in the
Technical Manual.  This is still OK for whenever they have contact with
the ship because then the badge can send back and get translations from
the ship's computer, but what about when the ship and team get cut off
from each other?

Steven.K.Manfred



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From: scoile@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Steve Coile)
Subject: Re: Wow! So many new SF shows!
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 02:33:10 GMT

Well, despite the upcoming *glut* of sf shows, I'm not very excited.  Actually,
I've gotten what I want with the regular return of _Battlestar Galactica_ on
the Sci-Fi channel.  Yeah, it can be corny, but the effects were pretty good,
the sets were great, the stories solid, and the background well defined.  I'd
forgotten how much I loved that show...

-steve
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From: N2SX <N2SX@UNB.CA>
Subject: RE: Uniform Colors...When are they mandatory?
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 02:35:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.014354.28280@umbc3.umbc.edu> ac999239@umbc8.umbc.edu (ac999239) writes:
>Data is clearly in the command chain being 2nd Officer and all. But he wears
>a gold uniform since he is specialized in engineering and the other sciences.
>
>Spock likewise was in the command chain being 1st Officer, but since he was
>specialized in the sciences (not to mention being the Science Officer) he
>wore blue.
>
>My question is why was it absolutely necessary that Data wear red when taking
>the place of a 1st Officer? Or was it perhaps not abosolutely necessary, but
>just took place anyway...I'm curious about this.
>
>Also I have noticed never seeing anyone of Commander rank (Lt. Commander is not
>the same thing) who wore gold. I have seen red and blue, but never gold with
>3 pips. Is there something preventing this or is it just a coincidence?
>You would think in 6 years someone would specialize in engineering and be a
>commander!
>.
>.
Perhaps you've missed every episode since the beginning of the third
season, when Geordi was promoted to Lt. Cmdr?
From: tracer@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu (Roger M. Wilcox)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "Chain of Command, Part II"
Summary: :-)
Keywords: Picard, healing
Date: 3 Jan 93 02:37:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1993Jan3.023708.27076
Organization: University of Oregon Computer and Information Sciences Dept.

In article <1992Dec28.173953.7487@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mchance@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Chance) writes:
> ...
>They may have radically accelerated the physical healing rates, but
>healing mental injuries takes lots of time and patience.

NEW!  And coming soon to a Federation outpost near you!

  ***** INSTA-PSYCH!!!! *****

Yes, it's INSTA-PSYCH!, the Wonder Drug from the same people who brought you
Crack Cocaine and Tricyclic Antidepressants!  New INSTA-PSYCH! can double,
triple, even quintuple the rate of psychological healing!

Tired of taking personal responsibility for your life?  Too scared to release
your pent-up emotions?  Think its terribly unfair that only your ECONOMIC
responsibilities should be cured by technology (i.e. replicators)?  Then pop
a few tablets of INSTA-PSYCH! and get Emotional Health the Easy Way!




[This product may not be available in all parts of the Federation due to our
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brain cells.]

-- 
Roger *M.* Wilcox   (aka Jeff Boeing)
tracer@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu
Aleph null bottles of beer on the wall, aleph null bottles of beer, ...
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From: obrien@netcom.com (No parking EXCEPT FOR BOB)
Subject: Re: DS9: Avery Brooks has attitude.
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 00:02:01 GMT

rccarm00@nx19.mik.uky.edu (ron c carman) writes:

[lots of other poeple's carping omitted, about Brooks approaching DS9   ]
[as an actor to a job, rather than as a humble supplicant to the usenet ]
[rec.arts.startrek.*  self appointed high priesthood...                 ]

>
>   Don't be too sure about that... the last time I heard anything about
>Avery Brooks (before plans for DSN, way back when he was doing 'Spenser')
>he was a professor of English, or possibly English Lit or somesuch at
>an Ivy League school...
>   Please correct me if I'm off base here..
>
Rutgers, in New Jersey.



I firmly agree with those who think he's on the level-headed track here.
Hey, if it becomes a 'cult' hit (by popular standards) it's quite likely
to be more disadvantage than advantage, because it seems evident that
Mr. Brooks *has* a Life(tm), which, of course, many readers of these
newsgroups are incapable of fully understanding.

And in this week's TV Guide, he certainly does not look like
"Hawk with hair" at all. More like the unique character the show needs.

	Bob O'Bob

===== wouldn't it be nice if I didn't have to think this is necessary???=====
"If you're wondering how he eats and breathes,
and other science facts,
then repeat to yourself 'it's just a show,
I should really just relax'"                         -MST3K
=============================================================================
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From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A duck! (was Re: Tech Manuals)
Date: 3 Jan 93 21:25:13 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

> I got a kick out of this too.  I've been told that the same map is
> on a wall in main engineering, with the same stuff, only too tiny to
> see on the show.  Also:  Check out the page on sick bay.  One of the
> displays reads something like "Med Ins Avail"  (Medical Insurance
> Available).  There are all kinds of things like this on the sets which
> are too small to see on TV.

My favorite is the device in Engineering marked "Infinite Improbability
Drive" on the Impulse schematics.

> -- 
> 		-Dave Williss
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Standards are great!  Everybody should have one of their own!

Steven.K.Manfred
"Don't you ever get bored with being right?" asked Dayna.
"Just with the rest of you being wrong," answered Avon.



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From: L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: 43 Swan Song?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 11:09:28 PST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>Well, is this Picard's Swan Song or just another cliff hanger with a pretty
>ending.  I certainly hope for the latter.  I don't know if I could put up with
>this new Captian.  How would he handle the likes of Q, he couldn't even handle
>the likes of the crew.  Insight!?

If Q ever showed up, I think that this new captain would simply order him to
wear a uniform while on the bridge.  To which Q would respond," Oui, mon
Capitain!"  And pop the entire bridge crew onto an old tall ship circa 1750,
the entire bridge crew decked out in the garb of that period with himself
dressed as the King!  I miss Q...

      \    /\
       \  /__\
Scott   \/an  \rtsdalen
PP-ASEL
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From: ssubrama@dante.nmsu.edu (SUBRAMANIAM)
Subject: Re: Who is Ronny Cox?
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 23:18:56 GMT

In article <sorensen.724542253@help.cc.iastate.edu> sorensen@iastate.edu (Jeffrey T. Sorensen) writes:
>For some reason, I cannot think of who Ronny Cox (playing Captain Jelico)
>is?  I have not seen the CoC episode yet, obviously.  Since I am going
>back to my hometown over Christmas (no FOX station) I wont see it till
>I return in January either.
>
>What part did Ronny Cox play in Robocop, Total Recall, etc?
>
I also have another question about Ronnie Cox.  Is he just a guest actor or
is he going to be in DS9 or in TNG in the future.

Siva
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From: ruhtra@turing.toronto.edu (Arthur Tateishi)
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "Chain of Command, Part II"
Keywords: TNG, Cardassians, Picard, torture
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 26 Dec 92 05:04:46 GMT

Spoilers for CoCII






























In article <1992Dec24.180131.7419@indetech.com> janet@indetech.com (Janet Christian) writes:
>In article <1h8f9dINNolb@gap.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>>WARNING:  The following post contains intense spoilers for "Chain of Command, 
>>Part II" that the faint of heart may find disturbing.  Proceed with caution.
>
>>
>> [much deleted for space]
>>
>>That leads me to the ending, which while praiseworthy also leads to my other 
>>main complaint.  As expected, Picard was handed over as part of the 
>>negotiations (though the Federation obtained far more of an upper hand than I 
>>expected), and he regained command of the Enterprise.  What I absolutely *do 
>>not* like, however, is how it seemed so effortless to him.  From our 
 [ more stuff deleted ]
>
>
>I have to disagree with Tim's point about the time line/Picard
>regaining command. *All* of his wounds had healed, including the bruise
>area around his mouth and the bruises on his wrists. We can only
>assume, then, that some amount of time had passed while he recovered in
>sick bay. Also, his face was not longer gaunt, with deep lines and

I agree. The line from Troi in Picard's ready room, "I've read your
report." says that some amount of time had passed for his recovery.
Also, the return of command of the E would have to go through Starfleet
after reading his report and debriefing session. If all that time had
passed but he hadn't had a one-on-one with Troi, it was probably a
day or two. The after effects were clear from Picard wringing his
hands and a generally quiet, reflective mood.

-- 
"The first fact to face is that UNIX was not developed with security, in any
reliable sense, in mind; this fact alone guarantees a vast number of holes."
    -- "On the Security of UNIX", Dennis M. Ritchie
Arthur Tateishi                 ruhtra@turing.utoronto.ca
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From: cazuzek@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Zuzek, John E.)
Subject: Re: Emmy for Patrick Stewart
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 30 Dec 1992 13:42 EST  

In article <1hqp9rINN1t8@early-bird.think.com>, fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes...
>I agree.  I also think he deserved an Emmy for his performance in the ST:TNG
>episode last year where he was taken over by a probe and experienced the 
>liftime of the man from the dying planet (name anyone?).

The episode in question is "Inner Light".  I, for one, also thought Patrick 
delivered an Emmy-worthy performance in "Family", among others.
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From: eoliver@ralph.cs.haverford.edu (Erik Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: do we need rec.arts.startrek.dsn?
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:25:37 GMT
Organization: Haverford College Computer Science Department

First of all, I agree that the volume on this channel is too high and
one reason I did not read it for a long time is that I didn't have a
very good threaded new reader.

But, sometimes, I think part of the solution is just that, switch to
threaded news readers and use a local file to assist.  I have found that
with a simple 6 line kill file for this group, I am able to weed out all
but the 30-40 postings, threaded into usually 10-20 threads, which I
might be interested in.

I want to say that I don't object in principle to a new, group, I am
just suggesting, that it is possible using better software to control
your feed, to limit your choices more succintly.

-Erik
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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: ... an English-speaking Universe
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 23:54:55 GMT

Patrick Chester writes
> Could it be due to the fact that the show is produced and broadcast 
> in a country that has 
 
 English as it's main language?

Perhaps, but I'd say that the main reason is that, on the whole, Americans are simply appalled at having to deal with anything in any language but English.  If it's not translated, it's not worth looking at.  These are mostly the same people who, when given the means, don't even attempt to learn a second language and think tha 
 
t if someone can't understand them, they should speak their English louder; after all, English is a natural language therefore every being is born knowing it and, for some crazy reason, some choose to forget it in favor of some other language.  Americans aren't the only ones to have this snobbish attitude about learning another language or dealing with some other language for a small amount of time, but that doesn't make the attitude right.

Bruce James Robrert Linley writes
> Gee, why do all the aliens look humanoid. Could it be because
> they're played by human actors?

Of course that's why, but I believe the focus of this thread is based on what the actors are willing to learn, not on attributes that would be impossible to change.  Perhaps when the costuming gets better and allows for more diversity in physical character features, there will be a wider range of beings.

Christopher Boerma writes
> Or maybe it's cause humans from eaith reprsent the largest
> number of beings in the federation 

If that's true, that explains why people in the Federation would speak English to one another, however not everyone is in the Federation and not every Planet is filled with Federation beings.

There are many solutions to the problem of an mostly-English universe as commonly seen on ST:TNG.  One solution might be subtitling for scenes where non-English-speaking beings are communicating to one another and the dialogue cannot be e
From: depeche@jab.tucson.az.us (John David)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Data Watch
Keywords: Uniforms, colors
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 19:48:40 MST
Organization: Just Another Bbs. Tucson, AZ

> 
> You know what else? If memory serves, almost every security officer
> I've seen on TNG has worn red. Since Worf is head of security, shouldn't 
> he also be wearing red?
> 
> Maybe uniform colour is more dependant on availabilty of a certain colored
> fabric when the show is shot than what division an officer is in? :)
> 
> 
> -- 
> Ellison Chan, Comp. Sys. Analyst               2350 Place TransCanadienne
> HNSX Supercomputers Inc., NEC Corp.        Dorval, Quebec, Canada H9P 2X5
> E-mail: ellison@SX.Mont.NEC.COM          (514)684-7705, FAX (514)684-8619

Well, I don't think your memory is serving correctly, as all security 
officers and staff in TNG wear the gold uniforms, as do the engineering 
staffers.  Go back and check your tapes...Tasha only ever word gold, Worf 
now wears gold, and any security I've ever seen do, too.

John David, 
KNST News
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9 in boston area?
Date: 29 Dec 92 04:40:01 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <28DEC92.13051891@vax.clarku.edu> mcohen@vax.clarku.edu writes:
<In a previous article, brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) wrote:
<>In article <27DEC92.20402618@vax.clarku.edu> mcohen@vax.clarku.edu writes:
<><
<><Three cheers to WCVB-5, though.  When TNG first premiered, they were the only 
<><network affiliate in the US to show it during prime-time (Saturday 8pm).  Of 
<><course now its 7pm, but six years ago they got some free press on 
<><Entertainment Tonight for the prime-time slot.
<> 
<>Sorry, but our local CBS affiliate ran EaF during prime time as well.  They will
<>be running DS9 Thursday night at 7pm (next week).
<>-- 
<The info was according to Entertainment Tonight, when they said "One network 
<affiliate is even showing The Next Generation in prime time...WCVB-5 in 
<Boston..."  (8pm was their regular slot for two years.) I'm counting 'real'
<prime time as 8pm-11pm.  7pm (when we get TNG and repeats up the wazoo) is
<sort of a wishy-washy prime time.  But whichever. 

OK, it was the way you made the statement, that lead me to believe that you
were only talking about the premiere.  Yes, if you include regular episodes,
you are correct.
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From: aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Jellico for Captain -- NOT
Date: 27 Dec 1992 19:48:41 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


Well, based on the ending of Chain of Command II, the rumor
that Paramount is grooming Ronny Cox (Jellico) for permanent
Captain on TNG is still credible.  (After Part One I thought
he might turn out to be a traitor, which presumably would
remove him from consideration.)  Does anyone have any inside
information as to whether this is in fact under consideration
if Patrick Stewart decides to quit at the end of his contract?
I would like to know so that I can send a protest letter to
Paramount if necessary.  Although Jellico was not quite as
obnoxious a character in Part II as Part I, I really don't
want to watch his adventures every week; I would rather see
Riker take over as permanent captain.  (I realize there are
people who actually like Jellico and would like to see him
stay around, and they have a right to their opinion; but so
do I.)

-- 
Bill Henley, Assistant Sysop, Cleveland Free-Net Science Fiction
& Fantasy SIG (aa396)
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