HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Michigan Wom*n's Music Festival
Keywords: ooh!  grrr.
Date: 27 Aug 92 10:14:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: milton.asuccop.714910449
Organization: University of Washington


 Drakon@cup.portal.com (HARRY BENJAMIN GIBSON) writes:
 
 >Look, not all of us are like this. Its probably just a few guys pulling this
 >kind of shit and they are going to ruin it for all of us. So next time you
 >see somebody hassleing someone who obviously went out of their way to look 
 >good, smack them upside their head.

	i am not accusing *you* or 'your' gender of anything.  i am accusing
	the people who *do* this.

	your suggestions (men 'protecting' women who 'look good'; women
	wearing veils) border on offensive.

	hint:  the problem isn't the women who are being publically harassed.

	you are also the second person who's said the problem is 'all of ours'
	and one of crossed signals.  it is hard for me to imagine a world
	in which a man making animal noises at me in the street is an example
	of 'crossed signals'.

	if i am rude to someone who actually meant to be a 'nice guy', then
	he should be a nice enough guy to understand why i felt the need to
	be rude.

	& why don't *women* get to stand up to harassing men in your little
	scheme, eh?

	annemarie
	asuccop@u.washington.edu
Xref: sparky soc.bi:11776 alt.polyamory:1146
From: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: Bi pamphlet - enough already! 8->
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:43:37 GMT
Reply-To: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) writes:
>>2. You said that there are no local bi groups which could have been
>>mentioned in the leaflet. How about mentioning national ones?
>
>   No national ones either. 8-<
>
>   I've had reports of a group in Perth, but that's it.

Not so!  There is a Western Australia Bisexual Network, who publish
a good newsletter, and they're organising the first national conference
in October this year.  I'd give you more information, but any info
I've got is buried at the bottom of a box, along with everything else.
If you send me some mail I'll try and send you some info when I've
sorted myself out again.  In the meantime, try contacting that group
in Perth.

Dave.

--

Excuse me while I finish putting everything I own into boxes ...
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: the "oh" experience
From: cjohnson@zeus.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 21:05:43 GMT
Organization: Cow Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA

woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) said...
>
>   I was instrumental in setting up the newsgroup alt.polyamory. I'm
>posting heaps & heaps there these days. Based on what some people have
>said, I seem to have acquired a bit of a reputation as a Poly-guru.
>
>   And I had my 21st birthday last week.

Eeeeek, Joe outs himself about his age!  Well yes, Joe, some of us did
know that you were *ahem* just a pup, but as out as you are about the 
rest of your life, i didn't think you would publicly reveal this ;^)

>   I think Poly relationships are bloody independent of each other,
>in the sense that if Karina's going to leave me, it'll be because of
>something in *our* relationship, not anything to do with anyone else's.

This brings up something that i occasionally leap up on a soapbox
about: Noone can _steal_ someone from someone else.  If someone says
that someone was stolen from them, they are denying the dynamics of
their relationship, and that there had to be reasons for the person to
want to go.  If someone says they were stolen from someone else, they
are denying their own power to choose and to control their own destiny.
People leave relationships for all kinds of reasons, but we all have
a say in how we live our lives.

<stepping off soapbox>
-Coe
-- 
cjohnson@nyx.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi,alt.polyamory
From: nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas)
Subject: Re: Bi pamphlet - enough already! 8->
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering - University of Melbourne 
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:37:04 GMT

woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) writes:
>cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>>asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu

Of course, it would be highly inappropriate if I were to say, once more ---

"Ciaran's in the middle! Ciaran's in the middle!"

So I won't :)

(much :) :)

(hardly at all, really :) :) :)

>   Damn right. If the linguists want a Bi pamphlet too, I might make
>one for them if they ask nicely. 8->

Well, sirrah, I'm a cogsci wannabe, even *before* I became aware of the lovely
and cognitolingual Bethan (btw, Bethan, if you know Ivan Derzhanski over there
in cogsci, say hello to him for me), and I *would* demand a Bi pamphlet...
only I'm already bi :) . Well, double-virgin bi, but whatever :)

>   (Although another Uni in our state recently inaugurated a GL*B*
>group, first I've ever heard of in Australia).

Now, this wasn't Melbourne Uni... so where is it I go do my postgrad again? :)

Considering there is more than one bisexual even in this fair institution... 

Well, allow me to consider it for a bit %^)

>>You might also give the phone number for the nearest les/gay
>>information line.
>   Maybe, but I had qualms about how Bi-friendly they'd be. 

Give the number anyway. Better than nothing.

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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: Assorted ramblings (long)
Followup-To: soc.bi
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 19:28:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.135650.1898@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>	<Yawn>  I'm bored....
>> . . .
>>	And now I get cynical--or is it critical?  I mean, I think
>>we've gotten very serious here at soc.bi.  
>> . . .	
>>       Are we being playful?  Am I just not tapping into the articles
>>that have a "serious" heading and are masking the fun "inside," as it
>>were?  Yes, and no.  Some of the posts deal with people I've never
>>met, magazines I have no access to...or topics that I've never had to
>>deal with...or have put aside in my quest for fun.
>
> I agree with you partially; the tone in soc.bi seems less, I dunno,
>bouncy than it did when I first posted. The only thing that does
>occurr to me is that, after all, it is no longer in term time. Now, I
>appreciate that the majority of people who post during terms are still
>posting now; but I suspect that, when the new term starts and a fresh
>crop of new posters arrive, things'll liven up again.. 
>

Then too, Peg is still mostly off-line and some of the notorious flirts
seem to be gone for the summer. (While others -- our world travelers --
our busy with each other.)  I admit I haven't done my share of flirtation
and light fluffy conversation -- can I make it up to you all somehow ? ;)




-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
 alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
From: sr09@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SIMON NICHOLAS RUSSELL)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 23 Aug 92 19:15:30 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I think that the "Introductions" facility is a pretty good idea (though
someone will have to be patient and take the trouble to explain the terms ftp
and FAQ to me, I'm afraid).  "Bi Any Other Name" was/is an important text for
me because it demonstrates a diversity within the community with which I have
chosen to associate myself and, consequently, makes it much easier for me to
find my own space.  It also provides a sense of security or solidarity in
certain ways--of course, there are times when I begin to question the sense in
my choice to accept responsibility for my sexuality, or feel extremely isolated
and like "the only bisexual in the world."  Simply having the collection of
others' experiences affirms my own, gives me a sense that I'm not, after all,
alone.  Soc.bi takes this connection with a community one step further; I get
to enter into a dialogue (occasionally!).  But even though soc.bi gives me
access to bisexual community, it is a community which I find curiously (though
not neccessarily disappointingly) intangible--it's unlikely that I will ever
get to meet more than a fraction of the people who post here, and they will
remain, for the most part, as "ghosts in the machine."
My support for the availability of autobiographical introductions is a
response, then to a feeling that I would like to have these "ghosts" fleshed
out a little, that I would like feel that I know the other members of the
community of which I am a part or, as Ciaran put it, my "family."  Other
communities (families, too, I guess) have a variety of oral or written
traditions which represent a sort of "collective identity" or solidarity; I'd
like to see us have one too.

Simon.
-- 

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From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: leather-oriented thoughts about the MOW'93
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:31:07 GMT
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.

In article <1992Aug31.170132.14462@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
>So Bill Hileman says "Watering down the planks until..."
>
>Maybe I should crosspost this to our companion newsgroup alt.usage.english

True.  I noticed it when I read it too - thought 'chipping away at the
planks' would have been much better.

G
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: Who am I anyway?
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:44:12 GMT

In article <18247@acorn.co.uk> osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
>In article <BtMxBn.2An@csc.liv.ac.uk> sbit37@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Paul Gould)
>writes:
>>>Don't they teach business writing and Latin in the schools no more?

>>Business writing, no; Latin, yes. Well, actually, mine was the last year
>>for whom latin was compulsory up to 'O' Level.

>I wanted to take Latin 'O' level, but my school was so hell bent on teaching
>the average pupil that they had a policy of not letting anyone take more
>than 9 'O' levels in one go. I could easily have managed a couple more.
>The teacher who knew Latin was willing to run a class just for me, which
>would have been an excellent way to learn I think.

Mmmm... that was a problem for me too.  I wanted to do Greek (classical,
of course) O-level at the same time as my A-levels, but there was a clash
of timetabling, so I got 'special tuition' from my Greek master.  Ended
up not taking the exam, though; too much work to do for my 'real'
subjects.  Sigh.

>Owen (who can't make up his mind whether to learn Welsh, Scots Ghaelic or
>Latin if he ever gets around to learning another language)

Well, I'm about halfway through that Icelandic primer I bought last w/e
(I do have a natural bent for tongues) and enjoying it greatly.  Couple
more chapters to go and I'll get hold of something like Egils Saga and
see how I tackle Old Icelandic...

			Kay
-- 
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37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
From: dfavor@logan.tivoli.com (David Favor)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: the "oh" experience
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:43:17 GMT
Organization: TIVOLI Systems, Inc.

>Omaha Sternberg writes...
>
>   (Omaha ruffles her fur) Well! I never! (Giggle) I have no desire to break
>the next bed, but Elf told me that he liked it, because he could brag to
>everybody that we have such rambunctious sex that we break beds. I, of
>course, would NEVER stoop to such depths to prove our sexual capabilities. I
>prefer to cry out loud enough for the neighbors to hear me during sex. :)

I have always considered the ability to share strangers (and knowns) sex
screams as one of the benefits of the close quarters provided by urban living.
perhaps we all gravitate to cities just to listen to each other's particular
noise. sorta like when people compare signatures and hand writing.

in signatures... "oh my look how that O rolls... and the curl of that R..."

in screams... "my what a grand bellow... I tell you that scream from 4B
               last night left skin under my fingernails. very nice indeed..."

so maybe we have happened onto the true explaination of why cities exist. :-)
From: ss7m+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven M. Stadnicki)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Alien Attitudes?
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:39:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.Ieb5lja00WB4MKaIxs
Organization: Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

This is something I sort of mentioned the other day, but it struck me that
it probably got lost in the flirting and I thought it was worthy of its own
post, so here goes...

One of the things that I've been thinking about recently is something that
bisexuality, or perhaps more accurately polyamory, and furriness have in
common: the attitudes involved are *so* utterly alien to most people that
they literally can't conceive how people could hold them; they can't even
be brought to begin to grasp the concepts involved.  This has been getting
beaten into my head repeatedly lately with my coworkers (who I'm not out
to yet, but I've listened a lot to *their* conversations)... what worries
me more is that things also seem to be working the other way, that I'm so
entrenched in my current attitudes that I have a hard time really understanding
*theirs*.  Has anyone else ever really noticed this?

                             Steven Stadnicki
                             ss7m@andrew.cmu.edu
From: woodhous@latcs3.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bisexual Centrist Alliance
Date: 27 Aug 92 07:09:02 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia


   Hey, why not send followups on this thread to alt.polyamory as well?

Joe.
From: bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi pamphlet - enough already! 8->
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:53:49 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <Btx8rC.753@ibmpcug.co.uk> gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>In article <10597@scott.ed.ac.uk> bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies) writes:
>>Do *I* count ....?      <innocent look>
>
>Possibly - you _are_ a *computational* linguist after all, no? :-)
>
>G


Well, I _was_ going to offer a fudge mercy-mission, but now I'm not as
sure ...    <sniff>

And anyway, I _self_identify_ as a linguist, I just haven't come out of
the closet yet..... :)



                             Bethan
From: n8442349@henson.cc.wwu.edu (The Matriarch)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Who am I anyway?
Date: 24 Aug 92 00:49:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Aug24.004935.25480
Organization: Western Washington University

In article <17983@acorn.co.uk> osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:

>Yes, this group is cliquey. Am I in yet? Please? Pretty please? Cross my
>legs sexily with the swish of nylon on nylon please? :-) :-). I never really
>got that many hugs when I belatedly de-muffined myself (sulk) HINT HINT.

	Well, there's your problem, obviously.  You need to switch to
wearing _silk_ stockings!  ;)

	<hug hug>

						Joy


-- 
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n8442349@henson.cc.wwu.edu

- I am the electric messiah - the AC/DC _GOD_
From: orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Defending the Atari ST (was Re: Perverse Machine)
Date: 23 Aug 92 19:11:44 GMT
Organization: Ministry of Skritching

In article <memo.590266@cix.compulink.co.uk> cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk
heaps abuse upon a piece of hardware that no doubt deserves it:

|Remember kiddies, Atari STs can screw you up, they are not Bi-friendly
|and fall apart when introduced into Bi-space or are operated by Bi-users,
|clearly a deficiency in the user interface. Anyway, would *you* want to be
|found in posession of a machine whose main operating system (for wont
|of a better word) is called TOS?

    Well, I don't know about that.  I will agree that my experience with
the Atari ST has resulted in the death of three of them, but I've also
killed Amigas, IBM PC's, PDP-11's, and crippled a MAC.   The Atari ST is,
after being diddled with a bit, *perfectly bi-friendly (otherwise I wouldn't
have used one (actually 4) as my main computer for the past 7 years. And
with Minix loaded and a Mega ST keyboard (oddly enough, the Mega ST keyboard
is *wonderful* - I *kept the damned thing after I killed the Mega last year
and wired it into the 520ST I bought to replace it.) replacing the mushpad
that they erroneously called a keyboard, it's quite usable as a terminal
and hacking machine.

   Yeah, TOS sucks.  Good thing that MiNT exists (multitasking!  BSD-like
system calls!  Minix filesystem support!  / for directory separation as
well as the odious-beyond-belief \! The ability to mount filesystems and
abolish the perverted MS-DOS a: b: ... zed: mountpoints!) and all the GNU
stuff has been ported to it.

|M'lud - I rest my case

   Overturned on appeal...

|(Mac_bigots_R_us)

   (Yes, I know that I just finished bashing the machine, but after being
a developer on it for the past 7 years, I tend to react when people say
it's not bi-friendly... :-)

                 __
   david parsons \/ Who's actually a Unix bigot, but becomes attached to
		    the ball and chain he's been lugging around.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: 75furlong@cua.edu
Subject: Re: Bi pamphlet
Organization: The Catholic University of America
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:43:47 GMT

 woodhous@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) writes:
> 
>    I'm happy to email it to any interested people. If I get a number of
> requests, I'll post it instead.

Count me in!

-alison
75furlong@cua.edu
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Hot spots for bi's
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:05:10 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

Yes folks, it's another <guess what?> thread; or rather, the same one
under a new subject (I got that bored with "was: the war between us
(long)").

>>>woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) wrote...
>>>>   Ellen, shall we try for seven? [in the hot tub]

Drat, and it was only six when I was there <sulk> but six very hot bi
babes and studs in a very hot tub ... >{8-)

>>pclary@carrot.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>>>Me thinks that could be arranged.  But we'll need your assistance.

>woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) writes:

>>  Oh ho! You'd have to tie me up to keep me out of the hot tub!...

More interesting still: tie him up and throw him *in* hot tub in order
to take his torture.

iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White) writes:

>Goody!  Time for me to practice my knots.  And I didn`t learn them in
>the boy scouts.  Why because I am queer and a GIRL.

And a very sweet girl at that.  Why the way you put your lipstick on
(with mirror) is quite adorable.  What a very femmy little top you are
to be sure.

>Extra special torture for you.  Bondage and being forced to look at us
>having fun and frolics in the hot tub.

Ouch, how evil can you get, Iseult, without actually dealing him the
rubber end of your crutch as well.

Sara
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 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
From: fishnets@soulsteppin.Corp.Sun.COM (Spanky)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Hello everyone!
Date: 2 Sep 1992 14:15:34 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: soulsteppin.corp.sun.com

In article <18250@acorn.co.uk> osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
>
>Hey, didn't I see you on rec.arts.bodyart at one point? I remember
>someone commenting on your "fishnets@soulsteppin" email address.
>
>Owen (somewhat of a muffin on rec.arts.bodyart, but posts some junk
>occasionally)





Why, yes you did!  Rec.arts.bodyart was a tremendous help with my
nipple piercings.

Hugs to all,


Emily



Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
Subject: New York channel 9 is looking for bis!
Organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC Group
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:11:13 GMT

9BP (Nine Broadcast Plaza) is a lively talkshow that has been really
good at being les/gay/bi-positive and next week they'll be doing a
Bisexual Dating Game.  They're looking for people to be on the show.

In the past they've done this with gay men and also with lesbians.  It
wasn't homophobic, in fact, they really wanted to make it nothing
special (there was no "isn't that funny, two men wanting to date each
other!" BS like on certain other shows).

If I can take the day off, I'm going to do it.  They're looking for a
total of 6 (3 men and 3 women) to be on the show.  They should be "not
the kind of people that will give yes/no answers", relatively good
looking, and "up" people.  They should also be single... hmmm...  I
wonder if he'll let open relationship-types like me on.

Anyway, if you live in NY or NJ a car will pick you up and drop you
off.  Not bad, eh?

If you are interested, send me email or talk to me at the next BiNet
New Jersey meeting.  (which reminds me, can someone at the next BNNJ
meeting remind me to bring this up?)

Show date is Sept 10.

Tom
tal@warren.mentorg.com
tal@plts.uucp
-- 
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"Oh! I thought it was one of those useless demos of everything that
    a GUI builder could do." -Anonymous person watching demo of
         Solaris 2.0's graphical tool for managing NIS+
From: nigel@isgtec.com (Nigel Burnett)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Who am I anyway?
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:09:35 GMT
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

In article <18034@acorn.co.uk> osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
> In article <1992Aug25.005536.14816@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
> bx304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Epler) writes:
> 
> >Just *what* is punting???
> 

Explorer in the middle of northern Ontario after losing his boats in a
terrible storm sends a telegram requesting two canoes and a punt.  The
reply comes - - Woman available now.  What's a panoe? :})

Quite seriously, I like poling my canoe and am looking for a decent pole
for it.  Any clues where to get one or should I just cut down a sapling
from the local goverment tree farm (a.k.a. the people's wood lot)?

thanks (and please don't be offended by the sexist humour)

N.



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