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From: pro016@marshall.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: RE: Fishing Report:  West Virginia
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:51:23 GMT
Organization: Marshall University


OK,  This is in response about the gold trout of WV,

The petersburg hatchery obtained some rainbow trout fry from the White
Sulphur Srings Federal Hatchery(WV) in 1949. There was 1 odd colored
fry in the bunch (yellow/white color) when she reached about 14 inches
they took her eggs and a male rainbow and this is where our Golden Rainbow
Trout came from!  So if you want to get technical its a Mutant fish we 
raised from one odd colored fry. I dont know if this could be classified
as an Albino Rainbow or not ?  I do know that it is not related to the 
native golds out of the Kern River Drainage Area, by the Way ,

check out the book "NATIVE TROUT OF NORTH AMERICA"  I think its by 
Robert Smith   Kern River Golds are not the only native gold trout.


And as for our Centennial Golden Rainbow Trout its not a bad looking
fish in my opinion. 
And to those individuals who said" nearly 100% of WV is catch and keep
and the locals put a lot of pressure on the Stream ..."
why dont you guys try fishing other places that are not so damn popular
and over fished by both local and NONRESIDENTS there is plenty of places
out there in WV that hold Native Brookies and Wild rainbows and browns
and 90% of the time I might see 3 people at the most. Try posting for
information on WV trout fishing/get the Trout Fishing Guide from the 
WV DNR it has a lot of info in it.

PS How many other states have a YEAR ROUND TROUT SEASON ?  

        TIGHT LINES     PAUL    WEST  VIRGINIA  !!!!!
                                    ^^  
                                  by God    
                                  
Newsgroups: rec.scuba,rec.travel
From: story@sgi.com (David (Duis) Story)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Information about advanced deep diving course wanted
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:12:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Sep3.191821.19624@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> mayne@cs.fsu.edu writes:
>
>A PADI instructor I dive with told me that there are essentially
>no formal requirements for instructors to teach specialties.
>Just log some not very large number of dives in the specialty
>(informally on your own appears to be okay) and pay PADI a fee.

This is the case if you use a PADI-sanctified course outline and sign
a waiver stating that you will not deviate from the outlined contents
when teaching your own course.  

If you want to use your own outline, however, you have to 

A) pay a lot more
B) show evidence of about TWICE as many dives
C) go through a lengthy evaluation process involving much paperwork

before you can teach your own outline.  It has gotten tougher and
tougher over the past few years to teach your own outline.  "All in
the name of increased liability protection for you and your loved ones!"

>For underwater basket weaving that may be okay. At worst a few people
>may be getting ripped off for a few dollars. I hope this isn't true
>of the cavern specialty, and certainly for cave diving, if there
>is such a specialty in the PADI system.

I'm not certain of the answer.  NAUI simply allows NSS/NACD
specialty cross-certifications -- the instructor has to use the caving
agency's outline and be a current instructor with that agency to issue
a NAUI specialty.

Cheers,

David Story                        NAUI AI Z9588, PADI DM 43922, EMT
story@bent.wpd.sgi.com             Better diving through tolerance.
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From: gregr@joyce.cs.su.oz.au (Greg Ryan)
Subject: US Divers equipment and Nitrox
Reply-To: gregr@cs.su.oz.au (Greg Ryan)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 00:06:42 GMT

At a US Divers Technical Workshop held in Sydney a little while back, 
Paul Leszczynski, a Senior Technical Advisor from US Divers, said that 
US Divers equipment is not compatible with nitrox.  I thought I'd pass
this on to the net as this was the first statement I had heard about 
nitrox compatability from US Divers.  Oceanic, Poseidon and T.D. Preece
(an Australian company which makes the Command Air reg and Sea Hornet
valves) are the only companies I have heard state that their equipment
is nitrox compatible.

				Greg Ryan	gregr@cs.su.oz.au
From: story@sgi.com (David (Duis) Story)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: DECO'92 Hahn's Tables
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:03:39 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <920827231623_73467.2574_DHE68-1@CompuServe.COM> 73467.2574@CompuServe.COM (Andy Schmidt) writes:
>Finally got a couple of sets of the new 1992 German tables developed by Prof.
>Dr. Hahn (Scubapro DC11 computer). [...]
>
>Since you are often doing mandantory stops (where the US tables give you
>straight ascends) the table is VERY liberal on the surface intervals. After
>only a few hours you have very little RNT - but remember, you're total no stop
>time is ALWAYS very short to begin with.

Could you post some more info on this?  Just how liberal are the
surface intervals?  Couldn't this make the whole table less
conservative?

Cheers,

David Story                        NAUI AI Z9588, PADI DM 43922, EMT
story@bent.wpd.sgi.com		   Oxygen is a drug in California.
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From: adb@herboid.uucp (Anthony DeBoer)
Subject: Re: Flower Gardens Tragedy
Organization: Linda's Dragon Memorial Society
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:51:22 GMT
Keywords: death

David (Duis) Story <story@sgi.com> writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.204446.741@engage.pko.dec.com> zipp@foosw6.enet.dec.com (Eric S. Zipp) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug31.193103.28963@bnr.ca>, mac@crchh570.BNR.CA (Michael Campbell) writes...
>>> 
>>>I read with some dismay today of a SCUBA fatality involving a
>>>diver at the Gulf of Mexico Flower Gardens Banks dive site. 
>>
>>	Besides the following, the only other information that has been made
>>available is that the diver was diving off the boat Miss Vicky (sp) according
>>to the Coast Guard, and according the the medical examiner in Galveston, the
>>cause of death was ruled CAISSONS DISEASE. The exact nature of his problem
>                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>which lead to his death has not been made public. 
>
>Wow!  That term hasn't been used in YEARS and YEARS.  That was one of
>the original terms for DCS or "the bends."  Think that that Coroner
>has kept up to date with diving medicine?                      
>
>Not!

There are strong similarities between embolism and DCS, but I've been told
by a diving doctor that two of the factors that indicate which one is
involved is that an embolism generally strikes either immediately on
surfacing or within ten minutes thereafter, and leads quickly to
unconsciousness, while DCS symptoms in the general sport diving case
generally take a bit longer to set in and get progressively worse.  A
previous post mentioned that other divers pulled the victim from the
water, which to me really strongly suggests he embolized.

I concur with Dave.  The coroner seems a bit long in the tooth.
-- 
Anthony DeBoer   NAUI # Z8800, D5482 | Why watch TV, when Netnews provides
adb@herboid.uucp | adb@geac.com      | 100% of your daily requirement for
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From: 5babinski_b@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Help! He..gulp, gulp.
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:37:35 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

I have no experience in SCUBA, but am interested in a future in 
diving. If someone would be so kind as to take some time, and tell me what 
kinds of job possibilities there are and how to go about getting there. 
I am presently in New Jersey. If that dosen't speak for itself than I don't 
know. SCUBA is not abundant here, not at all. I'd like to be somewhere in 
Florida. Please answer, in other words, help me. 

Thank you,
Bart.
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From: njs@scifi.uucp (Nicholas J. Simicich)
Subject: Re: Boyancy control with drysuits
Organization: Nick Simicich, Peekskill, NY
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:48:10 GMT

In article <14573@mindlink.bc.ca> Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs) writes:
>In article <p0amsok@twilight.wpd.sgi.com> story@sgi.com
>(David (Duis) Story) writes:
>
>>Still think you didn't exceed 100'/minute?
>

>     Oddly enough, when we examined the belt later we found that
>the buckle itself hadn't let go.  It was still firmly gripping the
>free end of the belt.  It was the other end, which should have
>remained securely fastened to the buckle, that came unthreaded.
>
>     It was a good reminder that equipment needs to be inspected
>at least as closely before its first use as at any other time -
>and that nothing is so simple that it can't be screwed up.

It is my personal opinion that the weight belt buckles that are being
sold today are nothing short of shameful in their ability to hold
weight.  I've seen similar things happen to many novice divers on
their early dives, and it is a lot more scary for them than it is for
you. 

I've heard of wreck divers using two buckles to reduce the chance of
an accidental weight belt drop.


-- 
Nick Simicich - uunet!bywater!scifi!njs - njs@watson.ibm.com
SSI #AOWI 3958, HSA 318, NAUI #14065
Join the movement ---  turn 'to bush' into a verb.
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From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Courses in NYC
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:59:42 GMT


I'm going to Bonaire in November and am planning
on taking a certification course here (Manhattan)
before I go.  I've got the FAQ and will be looking
at the archives, but I was wondering if anyone could
provide any recommendations about courses available
in Manhattan.

Please send responses via e-mail as we don't (yet)
get messages for this group.  Thanks in advance - 

Greg


-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Nitrox (Was Re: Thermodynamic Decompression)
From: wall@hel4.brl.mil (Jeff Wall)
Date: 11 Sep 92 09:21:40 EST
 <1992Sep9.133326.3995@desire.wright.edu> <1992Sep11.005302.21634@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com>
Distribution: world
Organization: U.S. Army Human Engineering Lab  Aberdeen, MD

In article <1992Sep11.005302.21634@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> peterson@hpl.hp.com
(Chris Peterson) writes:
>Allow me to attempt a summary of the preceding posts as a reflection of my
>understanding of the advantages of O2-enriched mixtures (including "100%" O2) 
>for decompression.
>
>	1)  Better oxygenation: 
>	
>		With an O2 enriched mixture, the gas that
>	    	does get past blockages is richer in O2.
>
>	2)  Better nitrogen elimination: 
>	
>		O2-enriched mixtures are "N2-impoverished" mixtures.  
>		Not only is there less N2 to absorb but the reduced N2 
>		in the breathing mixture encourages the N2 in the body
>		to off-gas.
>

In addition, Dick Rutkowski's IAND Nitrox Manual list's these as advantages:
(most of these are implied above but I wanted to explicitely state them
especially the one on narcosis, it tends to get forgotten )

1. Extension of NDL
2. Reduction of deco time if NDL is exceeded
3. Reduction of residual N2 in body following dive
4. Reduced Nitrogen Narcosis
5. Reduced DCS
6. Post dive feeling of "well being"

(plus a couple of others that aren't important to this discussion)

>Note that most O2 delivery systems cannot deliver 100% O2 due to mixing with
>ambient air prior to inspiration.  The best units are carried by paramedics.
>Next best is probably a demand-regulator like the DAN unit.  However, when
>in doubt, any O2 is better than no O2.
>
>BTW, it is rapidly becoming a "standard of the community" for dive leaders
>(instructors, dive masters, dive boats) in California to carry O2... have it
>available at the dive site, know how and when to use it, and *actually use
it*.

Amen to this.  There is an instructor at the dive shop I frequent who just got
certified to teach the DAN O2 course.  He thinks it is one of the best courses
a diver in a position of responsibility can take.  He's been an instructor for
years and wasn't exactly sure how to administer O2 even though he had his own
O2 setup.  I intend to take DAN's O2 course later this fall or winter (when
it's too cold to get in the water:-).

Jeff Wall
wall@hel4.brl.mil
From: mayne@sun16.scri.fsu.edu (Bill Mayne)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Flower Gardens Tragedy
Keywords: death
Date: 7 Sep 92 16:46:20 GMT
Reply-To: mayne@sun16.scri.fsu.edu (Bill Mayne)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <Bu2oxF.4F1@scd.hp.com> dave@hpdstma.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.204446.741@engage.pko.dec.com>, zipp@foosw6.enet.dec.com (Eric S. Zipp) writes:
>|> In article <1992Aug31.193103.28963@bnr.ca>, mac@crchh570.BNR.CA (Michael Campbell) writes...
>|> > 
>|> >I read with some dismay today of a SCUBA fatality involving a
>|> >diver at the Gulf of Mexico Flower Gardens Banks dive site. 
>|> 
>|> 	Besides the following, the only other information that has been made
>|> available is that the diver was diving off the boat Miss Vicky (sp) according
>|> to the Coast Guard, and according the the medical examiner in Galveston, the
>|> cause of death was ruled CAISSONS DISEASE. The exact nature of his problem
>|> which lead to his death has not been made public.

The previous post also included the following, which was not quoted
by Dave Waller:

>|>        GALVESTON, Texas (UPI) -- The Coast Guard reports a Texas man died
>|> Saturday while scuba diving in the Gulf of Mexico.
>|>         Petty Officer Mike Allen said that after other divers pulled the
>|> victim from the water, Coast Guard helicopters were dispatched from
>|> Corpus Christi and Galveston to take him to a hospital, where he was
>|> pronounced dead.
>|>         Allen identified the man as Alvin Holloway, 35, of Burleson, Texas.
>|>         Holloway was diving in about 60-feet of water off a dive boat when he
>|> ran into trouble at about 3 p.m., Allen said.


Dave Waller comments:

>Well, unless there is something else called "Caisson's disease", this is
>simply a case of death from decompression sickness, a.k.a. the bends. 

It looks to me like rumor and unreliable reporting, possibly by a
newspaper writer who knew nothing about scuba diving. According to
other reports I've read the Flower Gardens are deeper than 60 feet.
The victim might have been ascending or descending, though. Having
a DCS hit as the initial problem at 60 feet is virtually impossible
unless ascending from much greater depths. A fatal DCS hit is unlikely
anyway. Decompression sickness is the first medical problem which might
occur to a non-diver. I would not jump to any conclusions based on such
rumors. Dave Waller is of course correct that "Casisson's disease" is
another name for decompression sickness or the bends. Actually it is
"Caisson disease", without the "s" or "'s" since this old name is derived
from the occurrence of decompression sickness in caisson workers in the
late 1800s, not from Dr. Caisson.

Bill Mayne

Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: story@sgi.com (David (Duis) Story)
Subject: Re: Deep diving; Thermal effects of peeing in wetsuit
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 00:35:11 GMT

In article <9209041413.AA09095@lanmail.NCSC.NAVY.MIL> Mahan_Stephen@LANMAIL.NCSC.NAVY.MIL writes:
>
>I would like to address two topics; the US Navy's position on deep
>diving, and the thermal effects of peeing in a wetsuit.

Thanks for the up-to-date info on the Navy's practical limits on air
diving.  These are in line with what I'd read in the '88 Navy Diving
Manual --- it's sure nice to see an agency doing what it preaches!

(On peeing:)
>Releasing
>this warm fluid into the wetsuit displaces some colder fluid in contact
>with the skin, raising the average temperature of the surrounding fluids,
>and thereby reducing the rate of heat loss.  The effect is minor but 
>feels pretty good.

Doesn't warming the skin offer the possibility of opening up
peripheral circulation and increasing heat loss?

Cheers,

David Story                        NAUI AI Z9588, PADI DM 43922, EMT
story@bent.wpd.sgi.com		   Oxygen is a drug in California.
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: awpsys@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Followup question on South Florida Dive shop status.
Reply-To: awpsys@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:38:34 GMT

This question is a repeat of the one I asked several weeks ago.
Seeing as I have not had much of a response, I try again.

I'm interested in finding out the status of a dive shop called
the Dive Zone on 35414 South Dixe HWY (U.S Route 1) in Florida City.
This is the dive shop on the right side of U.S 1 just before it goes
from 4 lanes to 2 lanes as you head towards Key Largo.

Since Hurricane Andrew devastated the region three weeks ago, I have been
unable to contact them at all.  

The problem I have is that when I was down in the Keys diving on August 6th,
I stopped into the Dive Zone and ordered two Sherwood Genesis tanks. They
had to be ordered.  On August 21st (Friday) they called me here in the
Rochester NY area and told me that they had arrived and that they would
ship them the following monday.  As we all know, Hurricane Andrew smashed
the region that monday.  Needless to say, no tanks have arrived.

Has anyone who tends to notice dive shops driven by this store?  
Is it still there?


Andrew W. Potter                             Internet: awpsys@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Associate Director                                Bitnet:   awpsys@ritvax.BITNET
Data Center Operations & Technical Support     Information Systems and Computing
Rochester Institute of Technology, P.O 9887, Rochester NY, 14623  (716) 475-6994

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From: wjh0265@tamsun.tamu.edu (William Hobson)
Subject: Re: Flower Gardens Banks
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:37:08 GMT

Since I believe the first poster mentioned that he was from Austin, Sea U
Underwater in College Station (409) 693-0104 frequently arranges dives to
the Flower Gardens.
Hope this helps (working on my C-Card - maybe I will see you there sometime!)

Bill, NW5C
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:27:04 EDT
From: Fred Houlihan: 814-238-4123, Fax:238-1604 <FTH@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Aqaba/Red Sea

Has anybody been diving on the Jordan side in the past year or so who
has any good tips for this area?

Thanks, Fred
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: s32905u@saha.hut.fi (Jouni Ilari Polkko)
Subject: Re: DIN valves on Faber 7l tanks
Keywords: DIN/INT valves
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 07:59:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.011751.26995@cs.su.oz.au> gregr@cs.su.oz.au (Greg Ryan) writes:
> "The DIN valves may cause problems: they are apparantly convertable between 
> DIN and the standard type (what's it called?) but I dont quite see how. they 
> tell me you unscrew the valve with an allen key (No 3 or 3A) and then DIN 
> fitting appears."
>
> I can't quite imagine what these valves are like.  Does anyone have
> any experience with this sort of tank and valve?  If so, perhaps you
> could mail me an explanation.
>
>            				Greg Ryan	gregr@cs.su.oz.au

 DIN/INT compatible valves are quite common in north eurepe. I have one such a
valve. The valve is convertable between DIN and INT fittings. When the valve
is used with INT/yoke regulator, it has adapter in the place of DIN fitting.
Adapter piece has DIN o-ring on the other end and INT o-ring on the other end.
When the valve is used with standard DIN regulator, the adapter is removed
with allen wrench key and so the fitting for DIN reg. comes into view. 

       INT valve (side view)            DIN valve (side view)
          _______                          _______
         /   ____|                        /   ____|                 ____
         |  |    |<-  adapter with        |  |    <- BSP 5/8"      |    |
         |  |____|    INT fitting's       |  |____   threads for   |____|
         |      _|    o-ring and          |      _|  DIN regulator    
         |     |      allen key hole      |     |                     |
         |     |                          |     |             adapter removed


Jouni Polkko
jpolkko@niksula.cs.hut.fi
From: 73467.2574@CompuServe.COM (Andy Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Planes, Tanks & Automobiles
Date: 10 Sep 92 02:07:51 GMT

On Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:32:43 GMT scairns@is.morgan.com (Scott Cairns)
said in his Message-Id: <1992Sep8.123243@is.morgan.com>
 
SC>My brother-in-law and sister own scuba tanks (don't know what kind)
SC>and will be joining my wife and I on a you-sail-it / you-dive-it charter
SC>in the British Virgin Islands.  Since we'll be doing a lot of our
SC>own diving, they figured they'd just bring their tanks along and get
SC>fills along the way.
 
SC>I tried to explain to them that this was not a good idea, for the
SC>convienence factor alone, but that I was pretty sure the airlines
SC>wouldn't even let them bring them on the plane or check them through.
 
I can see no reasons why the airline would NOT transport EMPTY tanks.
However, you'll have to remove the valves and store those in your carry on
or inside your luggage. The tanks have to be neatly packed with the tank
neck protected. I'd check with the airline wether they can be just checked
as excess baggage OR wether they need to go airfreight.
 
Either way, you're looking at some expense AND at the first dive store
charging you $5.00 to $10.00 for a VIP before filling them again.
 
Personally, I would NOT bother. You need divestores anyway to fill the
tanks so why not use the shipping expense and just rent tanks there?
 
Andy

Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: gregr@cs.su.oz.au  (Greg Ryan, g10b, xtn 4809)
Subject: Diving after DCS (Was: Re: Flower Gardens Tragedy)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:39:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.152035.8351@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, mayne@pi.cs.fsu.edu (William Mayne) writes:
> I have only disagreed with obviosuly false pontification like:
>
>   In article <19859@fritz.filenet.com> scotth@fritz.filenet.com (Scott Hopson)     writes:
>   > If you get BENT once you can never dive again. 

I have to back Bill up on this one.  There are three people I know personally
and dive with who have had DCS and continue to dive.  In each case the hyperbaric
treatments were considered successful.  In each case the people continued diving,
but have modified their styles of diving to become very conservative.

This is not to imply that they were reckless before the incidents.  One was caused
by being caught in a tidal rip which carried him deep, the other became apparent
after several weeks of intense diving (one week on a course, a dive holiday, many
multiple dive days, diving to a computer), and the third was caused on a deep dive
searching for one of his dive team who went missing (and was tragicly never found).

In each of these cases the medical advice was that there is some evidence of
previous DCS being a contributing factor to DCS, and that the only way to guarantee
never to get it again was to never dive again.  However, the advice continued that
if they chose to continue diving they should add extra safety factors on all dives
to try to minimise this risk.

Another person I know will never dive again, on medical advice, following a serious
DCS hit.  So I have to agree with Bill here that this is not a black and white
issue.

					Greg Ryan	gregr@cs.su.oz.au


















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