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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: Music's selling out to advertising.
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:56:15 GMT

In article <9212111714.AA16132@midway.uchicago.edu> mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU writes:
>With me it's Eastern Airlines and _Rhapsody in Blue_. I won't say they
>killed it for me - I don't think anyone could kill my favorite classical
>piece for me....but it sure is depressing!!!!

Actually it is United.  Being a Chicagoan too, you will be drowned in
it, since they advertise heavily in Chicago.  As I mentioned before, it
magically appeared 50 years after George's death.  If only George could
have lived to be 200, we would have been spared.  As it stands, that piece
has been ruined for me.

I read an interesting article about Spike Lee using a piece "Things are
Gonna Change" (something like that, the details of this article were
filed in the garbage in garbage out part of my memory) by a late black
artist from the 60s.  ( If someone knows the artist and exact song
title, post it here.) The caretaker of his estate never let anyone use
that song, and everyone asked him, most recently was Oliver Stone for
JFK.  Spike took the scene from the film into his office, and said "look,
we _have_ to have that piece hear, it makes it the most powerful."  The
caretake agreed.  He then donated the $100,000 that Spike paid him to the
United Negro College Fund and required that the song NOT be on the
credits or soundtrack album.

I noticed Nike was doing Revolution for a while, but it quickly
disappeared.  I wonder if they got a lot of hate mail.

Jeff
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Marsha sez:

>One reason is that in order to have an "all-girl" band, you need to find
>women who play all the instruments you need. Of the traditional rock band
>instruments, the only ones that women are encouraged to master from an
>early age are voice and piano. In our school systems, little girls are
>encouraged to learn the violin, the flute, the clarinet. Very few are
>encouraged to learn percussion or sax. Also, since guitar isn't usually
>taught in schools, since it isn't "part of the orchestra", kids who want to
>learn guitar have to do so on their own.

True, but it shouldn't stop women from jamming on these instruments!
I think it would be refreshing to hear a voice, piano, violin and
flute ensemble doing a new thang with what they got.  Heck, it may
even start a new genre of women's music.  A liitle jazz influence,
a little bit of folk-rock, and you got a cool hybrid!

Mike Masuda

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From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Blind Faith

On Fri, 11 Dec 1992 13:00:00 EST <MCINTYRE@MSUPA> said:
>>From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
>
>>. . .  It does seem to me I've seen a CD of the album that includes
>>extra tracks, but I lost sight of it & the copy I have is just that of
>>the original.
>
>I have the CD with the two extra tracks.  They are really poor, no
>redeeming social value at all.  You've got the better version.
>
I am glad & sad at the same time:  glad that I am not missing out on anything;
sad that there is nothing new to miss out on.
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From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      Blind Faith

>From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>

>On Fri, 11 Dec 1992 13:00:00 EST <MCINTYRE@MSUPA> said:
>>>From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
>>
>>>. . .  It does seem to me I've seen a CD of the album that includes
>>>extra tracks, but I lost sight of it & the copy I have is just that of
>>>the original.
>
>>I have the CD with the two extra tracks.  They are really poor, no
>>redeeming social value at all.  You've got the better version.
>
>I am glad & sad at the same time:  glad that I am not missing out on anything;
>sad that there is nothing new to miss out on.

There may be something "new" you're missing.  At that record convention
last Sunday, I saw a Blind Faith bootleg _Rehearsal Tapes_.  It had a
few of the songs that made the album but even more stuff that didn't.
The only song I can remember for certain is "Hey Joe".  Several cuts
were merely labelled "Instrumental Jam", so who knows what they were -
early versions of "Sea of Joy" or twenty minute work-outs of "Johnny
B. Goode".  I only saw the disc, I did not hear it, so judgements on
recording quality or musical value - but it does exist.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 11:53:11 EST
From:         RANDY_GOLDBERG <goldberg@MAILER.NYMC.EDU>
Subject:      Movie Music

 Someone posted a message about "Dracula," thinly veiling it with a brief
 discussion of the music in the film <g>.  So, I'm going to talk about a
 movie which has music as an integral part!

 Has everyone seen Aladdin yet?  If not, go out and see it!  Have you
 noticed that Disney's last three animated efforts have been three of the
 best animated features of all time?  IMHO, Aladdin falls between Beauty
 and the Beast and The Little Mermaid, but much closer to Beauty.

 The music in all three films was written by Alan Menken (as if anyone
 didn't know that), the lyrics in Mermaid, Beauty and part of Aladdin were
 by Howard Ashman.  Aladdin was Howard's last project before his passing.
 When he died, Tim Rice (of Jesus Christ Superstar fame) stepped in to
 finish the job.

 Is there any more talented composer of light Broadway-style comedy music
 than Alan Menken today?  No one is writing this kind of musical anymore, I
 think.  Marvin Hamlisch used to (They're Playing Our Song), but I haven't
 heard anything about him in at least five years.

 Does anyone have a particular favorite Broadway composer and/or show?  I'm
 partial to Lerner & Loewe, myself.  Rodgers & Hammerstein are too sappy
 for my taste, and Sondheim too bitingly satirical (viz. Follies and
 Company).

 One particular show would have to be Camelot.  I love the Arthurian
 Mythos, Brigadoon is great but back in that sappy mold and My Fair Lady is
 overrated. <Flame on!>

 Cheers...
    Randy

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 the wander.  Everyone smiliing in secret delight, they stare at the castle
 and ponder..."
                                   from Camelot
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Subject: Re: Peter Hammill - TNR gig report (Marco's version!)
Date: 15 Dec 1992 12:03:36 GMT
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In a previous article, "OUT, () says:

>        I will NOT review our own concert, since an ALLMUSICer (and ph7-er too)
>friend was there: yes, Hendrik Jan Veenstra and his lady Marjan took the time
>to drive from Utrecht, Holland, to Italy (something like 11 hours in a single
>take!), and we agreed that he will throw his word in... as you can understand,
>my point of view would be a little too biased, either way.

  I hope the review is soon in coming...  

  Congratulations, Marco -- I'm sure it was a job well done!

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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From:         Thumper <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      Re: punk rock stuff

Kimberly suggests:

>I think everyone is being too serious it's the holidays.  We are all grown up
>and know that the problems of today's world are not going away by themselves.
>Now, Everyone is soooo pissed, why doesn't everyone clam the hell down!!!
                                                     ^^^^

Yes... this would solve alot of exam anxiety, methinks...

Wasn't it Mrs. Gabriel who said, "Baby, kiss that clam..."?  ;*)

oh never mind...

Yerz,
Libby Doe
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:11:50 EST
From:         Mick Jeffries <MICK.JEFFRIES@UKWANG.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      re: Negativland

Yeah, I guess that interview took place a little while ago 'cause Negland also
 put it in this zine of their own which was dedicated to documentation of the
 whole U2 thing.  It's a great package complete with a "Crosley Bendix" cd
 discussing the matter in philosophical, often comic terms.  Just another
 peice of "obscura" from the gurus.  No major (or minor) label backing here!
 Have you seen the magazine, John?  It's full of correspondence between rec.
 company wigs, lawyers, etc. etc. and all set in a typically sarcastic Negland
 tone.  Any other Negativland fans around?  "Do you know how many time zones
  there are in the Soviet Union??"

    Mick Jeffries
    University of Kentucky    mick.jeffries@ukwang.uky.edu
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From:         Chrome-Plated Megaphone of Destiny <ALEVIN@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>
Subject:      George, Glass, & Gabriel

From: David Malbuff <SPGDAM%UCCVMA.BITNET@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU>
Subject: RE: Chuck Berry
>Mo' blues... Charles Brown and Bonnie Raitt will be on the TONIGHT SHOW. When?
>Tonight, of course; it's that kind of show. So set your VCRs, gang, if you
>can't stay up to watch it.

Speaking of Bonnie... Yesterday a local DJ referred to her jokingly as the
woman that killed Lowell George.  As soon as Bonnie convinced Lowell to lay off
the drugs, he croaked.

From: mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: RE: Mr. Bungle
>>+----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
>>| Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen     | Knock knock. Who's there? Phillip Glass.|
>>| crispen@foxy.boeing.com    | Knock knock. Who's there? Phillip Glass.|
>>|                            | KnoCk knock. Who's there? Phillip Glass.|
>>|                            | Knock knock. WhO's there? Phillip Glass.|
>>|                            | Knock knock. Who's there? Phillip Glass.|
>>|                            | Knock knock. Who's theRe? Phillip Glass.|
>>|                            | Knock knock. Who's there? Phillip GlAss.|
>>+----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
>
>Hey, bob - I liked it a lot. Don't listen to Scott. I personally can't
>really handle more than about 30 seconds of Glass at a time - so I found
>the sig really great! Keep me smiling, folks - it's finals crunch time!

My favorite Glass ditty was Carol's post from a couple of months back:

From: Maid in Bedlam <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject: a friday deep thought
>An intense poem for your perusal:
>
>Minimalist Angst As Expressed By Philip Glass
>---------------------------------------------
>
>:(  :(   :( :( :(  :(
>:(  :(   :( :( :(  :(
>:(  :(   :( :( :(  :(
>:(   :(   :( :( :(  :(
>
>
>:(  :(   :( :( :(  :(
>:(  :(   :( :( :(  :(
>:(  :(   :( :( :(  :(
>:(   :(   :( :( :(  :(
>fuck

 I just heard from the Peter Gabriel list that tommorow night he'll be
hosting 120 Minutes on eMpTV. He is supposed to have some "special guests" on
with him.

-Adam
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:24:00 CST
From:         Elf1154 <elf1154.dsc1@PCMAIL.DCCCD.EDU>
Subject:      Frustration...non-musical -Reply

Marsha of University of Chicago writes:

>Why is it that alcohol runs so many people's lives? They're
>planning our formal and the major considerations for this year's
>budget are the following:
>1) cutting down last year's meal cost so that drinks can be free
>2) holding it in a hotel so that rooms can be available for
>theose who want to stay and drink
>3) Making sure that hotel has a bar that stays open late
>4) Subsidizing limos so the drunkards don't kill themselves
>driving home

>.... I asked the coordinator of the committee to please keep in
>mind that the non-drinkers may not want their ticket money going
>to everyone else's alcohol, and that a choice of places
>shouldn't be limited by the desire for hotel rooms.

>The response to my suggestions was that from what he had heard,
>this was what the people wanted. I asked him whether he had
>asked any non-drinkers....he just shrugged....I am really
>annoyed by this!!!!

I agree with you!! I am tired of subsidising other people's
insecurity and desire to make everyone join in their indulgences.
It's about time we quit worshiping alcohol and sex.  That would
reduce a loit of today's problems with chronic absenteeism in
work and school and reduce the problem of AIDS.

We need to also realize that we could save a lot of $$$ if we cut
out some of the overindulgence these activities.

Ed Frankenfeld
Dallas County Community Colleges
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Subject: Re: Allmusic Guide to Netiquette
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:09:29 GMT

In article <ALLMUSIC%92121518091775@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> "Michael Lehnertz (Drummer)" <TZJ101@URIACC.URI.EDU> writes:
>   Did somebody say Vinnie?
>
>                                         - Drummer -

No. 

BTW drummer, you have been gone a long time.

Do you still listen to that pedestrian music from those lame haircuts?

Jeff
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:55:17 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: New Acoustic Music

On Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:50:00 EST <MCINTYRE@MSUPA> said:
>>From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
>
>>So the New Acoustic Music (my name) filled a void that classical and early
>>music hadn't quite managed & filled it very well.  I suppose it isn't really
>>new any more, but I like it just fine.
>
>"New Acoustic Music" is what Elderly Instruments calls it, too.  It's one
>of their regular bin headings.  If you have trouble finding it locally,
>try Elderly Instruments mailorder.
>
>John McIntyre
>Physics - Astronomy Dept
>Michigan State University

Thanx, John.  I don't really have a problem at my local Tower, I just hunt and
peck all around the store.  But this place of which you speak might have some
things I've never heard of before.

On the subject of bootleg Blind Faith, I am bemused.  I know where I would have
looked for boots 20 years ago, but not where I would look now.  Maybe let my
fingers do the walking thru the phone book would be a start. . . .
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:26:26 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      cd's vs albums

One thing that Vinyl has over cd's is the double album that folded was
very useful at times and i think you know what i mean, try that with a
cd case........Oh well they still make frisbee's........L.W.
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 08:35:40 PDT
From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: punk rock stuff

>
>Now David has turned against me to.  I have been cast from the world of
>punkdom for being a "poser."  Sorry to have troubled you all, but I think
>I'll be staying.
>Hmm...hardcore/punk what can I say about them that would make me less of a
>poser.  The job is a hard one but I'll try my best.  I know let's talk
>about shows.  I go to them whenever I can, that's pretty punk ain't it?
>The last show I attended was a benefit for The Womens Rape Crisis Center in
>Burlington VT on Dec 12.  Featured bands were The Champions, Epitaph, Twelve
>Times Over, and Selector's Choice(a reggae band).  It was quite a good show and
>it's always good to see my Vermont buddies.  Other bands I've seen:  Sick
>of it All, Agnostic Front, Moral Crux, Outface, Earth Crisis, Encounter,
>Framework, Up Front, Shelter, Face Value, Integrity, Slapshot, Sam Black
>Church, Phleg Camp, Bad Trip, Bug Out Society, Fugazi, Quicksand, Endpoint,
>Majority of One, Transcend, Matter of Fact, Gwar (though they aren't punk or
>har
>   dcore they
>are a very entertaining band live), All Fall Down, Drazel, Judge, Into
>Another, Underdog, Cro-Mags, and so many other bands that I would be here
>all day doing this, if I had the motivation.  I'm sorry you thought I was a
>poser David, but if you would like to have a discussion I'd be more than
>happy to reply.  In closing look for a record by Drazel that should be out
>in a couple of months and also the Champions have a 7" out now so pick it
>up if you see it.
>

Glad to hear it, Ben. I called you a poser because sometimes it's better to
fight fire with fire. I'm glad you finally decided to talk about punk/hardcore.
Tell us more. Who's doing what locally, in your area? Any indie/DIY stations,
labels, or producers? There's a thriving DIY thread here on ALLMUSIC; several
of us are reviewing independently-produced tapes for a indie 'zine. I'm
trying right now to establish a indie/DIY show on the radio station I volunteer
at. Not all of this music is punk/hardcore, by any stretch, but there's a lot
of crazy stuff out there. Some good stuff, too.

You saw Fugazi? What'd you think of 'em?

This is more like it. Merry Christmas, & all that...

David
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From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Everybody was fascinating yesterday
              18 Dec 1992 09:04:40 CST from <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEI NG.COM>

On Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:04:40 CST crispen said:
>After I signed off yesterday ALLMUSIC sure got good.  Hmmmmm...
>
>Has anybody taken the time to thank Ken Koester for his "The Day
>the Music Died" posts?  I find them very appealing -- at a dead
>minimum they show a way out of the "pop music isn't good anymore"
>syndrome (which as we've seen here can be a genuine agony for people).

Actually, yes, a few people have done so.  Originally, I planned them as a way
of dealing with any residual angst at turning 40 & meant for the series to
end there.  But now I think as long as I have something that I have to say,
I'll keep them coming.  More infrequently, tho (-:
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From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Lenny's ?'s and Renaissance Christmas
              18 Dec 1992 10:13:22 EST from <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.E DU>

On Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:13:22 EST Scott Hammer said:
>
>Ken and Marsha may be interested in this.  I went out and bought a CD
>called _A Renaissance Christmas_ by The Boston Camerata yesterday, after
>hearing it on our local classical station.  Good Stuff!  Its some
>a capella, some accompanied, all from the 15th and 16th centuries.
>Check it out!
>
Yes, I did, about a week ago.  It and the Folger =Medieval Christmas= are my
2 current favorites.  I also found the BC's =Medieval Christmas= on sale &
sprung for it.  An acquired taste, I'm thinking, as it's actually pretty
early medieval stuff.
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From:         jkh2001@ANDY.BGSU.EDU
Subject:      Christmas Favorites

I think my favorite Christmas songs off all time are still the songs off of
"A Charlie Brown Christmas" by the Vince Guaraldi Trio.  The classics are
great with a jazz arrangement and the originals are great.  Definitely an
album (Yes, I have it on vinyl) that I would highly recommend.  Off to
exams...

King Jeremy the Wicked (who graduates in four days)

"I'm tryin' to listen to the fuckin' song!" - Jeff Hanson, "Slapshot"
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From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Punkdom

PUNK

Exggerated emotion = non-emotion = depletion of emotion = ritualized emotion =
parody of emotion = pasty white face and dyed black hair = the undead =
automatic frantic zombie heartbeat = no-soul = insolence of primeval ooze =
decline and collapse of the known universe = boogie boogie boogie

FIRST PUNK

Pechorin, in Lermontov's _Hero of Our Time_ (1841).

pale skin- posture of nervous exhaustion - sat in the manner of a Balzac
coquette at the end of a fatiguing ball - his eyes never laughed when he
laughed - either the sign of an evil nature or of a profound and lasting sorrow
- his eyes shone beneath his half-lowered lids with a kind of phosphorescent
brilliance - not the outward sign of an ardent spirit or a lively imagination
but the cold dazzling brilliance of cool steel - his quick, penetrating, sombre
glance left you with the unpleasant feeling that you'd been asked an indiscreet
question - it would have seemed insolent, if it hadn't been so calm and
indifferent.


"I take no responsibility for this post"
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From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Happy Xmas + 1993

Hi all,

        sooo... it's more or less time to wish a good holiday to everyone, I
believe. Not the same for me: I'll be here next week, until Wednesday, and
then back on the 28th, 29th and 30th. So it was last year, and some traffic
actually happened on the list - let's keep it alive this year, too.

        I'll leave you all with a kuzmic question: I got "Automatic For The
People" yesterday. I find it good -- wouldn't die for it, but I like it --;
but only if it comes through my loudspeakers. I can't stand it in headphones!
Why, in your opinion? 8-)

        Oh, before you ask: both speakers and headphones are functional and
work well... :)

        Hugs and kisses, and keep on rockin'...

        Ciao, Marco
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