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From: harryb@phred.UUCP (harry barnett)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: JCS
Date: 29 Dec 92 17:32:29 GMT
Reply-To: harryb@phred.UUCP
Organization: Physio-Control

In article 12432@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov, alan@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Alan S. Mazer) writes:
>[Eilidh Swan writes...]
>> As another writer pointed out, the emotions portrayed in JCS are *incredible.*
>> _Godspell_, based on the accounts in Matthew, is perhaps far more accurate
>> than JCS, (i.e. Jesus rises from the dead in Godspell, not in JCS; there's
>> no glorification of Judus in Godspell where there is in JCS.)  But it doesn't
>> make my heart catch in my throat like JCS, like the flogging scene.  Ack, 
>> whenever I listen to the soundtrack and hear all 39 lashes, I want to cry.
>
>I'll second this.  I've only seen about 5 minutes of the thing.  It was the
>part where Jesus was being ridiculed.  They did a good job of it.  It was too
>painful to watch.  I'm not sure about the theology but JCS (as far as I'm
>concerned) seems a much more accurate portrayal of what really happened than
>we like to think about.  I can read the gospel accounts without thinking much
>about it but I can't stand to watch it happen in JCS.
>-- 
> 
>-- Alan                        # Mountain Dew and doughnuts...
>   ..!ames!elroy!alan          # because breakfast is the most important meal
>   alan@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov     # of the day.

The idea that Judas was glorified in JCS must come from listening only
to the soundtrack.  If you watch the visuals with the soundtrack, IMHO,
there is NO "glorification" of Judas where you see the visuals along
with the sound.  It's been a long time, and my memory of it is dim, but
Judas is portrayed as an extremely tragic, distraught to the point of
madness, lost soul who hangs himself on a completely barren hillside
and perishes forever (unlike Jacob Marley, who returned to do some good
:-).  In any event, to prove the adage that "Nobody is worthless",
Judas serves as a bad example, which is hardly glorifying him.

I concur that the video is indeed intense, perhaps too much for some,
but if you can steel yourself to watch it all the way through, the
incredible sorrow and love you probably will feel will remain with you
forever.  I can't recall it without tears coming to my eyes.  I got the
message from it that the unjust persecution of those who implore us only to
love thy neighbor as thyself is timeless, is always with us, expect it,
struggle against it, help others to struggle against it where you can.

If you have not seen/heard JCS, I commend it to you.

Haven't seen Godspell, but when I can find it, I will.

harryb@phred
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Brittanius (shocked):  Caesar, this is not proper.
Theodotus (outraged):  How?
Caesar (recovering his self possession):  Pardon him, Theodotus:  He is
a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe and islands are
the laws of nature.

		--Caesar and Cleopatra, Act II, George Bernard Shaw
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From: vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Carman
Date: 5 Jan 93 02:30:22 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan1.052709.8316@samba.oit.unc.edu> Bob.Weigel@launchpad.unc.edu (Bob Weigel) writes:
>its ground pretty well production wise.  I consider the guy to be one of
>the best lyricists (did I spell that right?  Wow, since I am one, I guess
>I otta find out huh?)  in CCM today...along with Steve Camp, in the "words
>for the body of christ" catagory....Okay, and Keith Green, Twila and a few
>others....but in terms of communicating things in a striking, profound way,
>he IS an ARTIST! -bob

Hey, I'm back from a 3+ week vacation, and this thread is still around.  Let's
perpetuate it, shall we :-} [evil grin from knowing just how annoyed most of
the people on the group will be to have this thread continued]

I really don't find Carman's songs to be particularly lyrical, in the poetic
sense.  He does communicate ideas in a unique way AT TIMES (like The Champion)
but his lyrics to me tend to be a little childish and 'uneloquent' (is that
a word?).

JRjr

-- 
'What did you say, what did you do, when they asked ya, who are you?
 Did you tell 'em who you know?  Did you hear that rooster crow?  How will
 you answer?  Where will you go?  Have you heard that rooster crow?' - REZ
#####  vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU  ########  Jerry B. Ray, Jr.  ################
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From: charles@phx.mcd.mot.com (Charles Wolff)
Subject: Re: Gospel Blues
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:21:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.160252.13416@bsu-ucs> 00sanaylor@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>
>So, my next question is, why aren't there more (or any?) Christian
>Blues groups??  I would buy every one of their albums.  I would go see 
>them at every possible occaision. 
>
	Did anybody else see the documentary on A&E the other
	night on gospel music?  I think it was called, "Say Amen,
	Somebody."  If you're looking for "Christian Blues",
	start poking around in the "gospel music" section.

	Besides including some good music, there were a couple of
	recurring themes in this movie that I thought were very
	interesting.  There were a lot of interviews with gospel
	music performers and a couple of things kept coming up.

	One: when a lot of these performers started out, they were
	criticized for doing "the blues" in church the same way
	some of us have been hassled for playing "rock" in church.
	"How can you use that evil music to praise the Lord?"  The
	response: "this is the music that expresses what I feel
	and what I believe, and I'm going to use that music for God."

	The second, which I found REAL interesting, was the number
	of gospel singers who received no support or even were
	opposed in their music "careers" by their friends and
	family.  Especially true when the singer was female.  There
	was one scene of a husband and wife talking... he's saying,
	"I've been looking forward to the time when we will be
	working together in MY ministry..." and the wife/gospel
	singer is talking about how she finally has an opportunity,
	as a musician, to go to Europe and sing and she thinks
	she ought to be able to go do that and then when she gets
	back, they can work together... (I'm afraid I don't do justice
	to the conversation in my description.   The husbands come
	off much worse in the movie...)  Another one where a
	woman was telling how she'd gone off to another city to
	sing and as she's getting on the train to leave, her husband
	is saying, "How can you go off and leave your babies behind?"
	And she calls home and he's saying, "You better come home
	and take care of these children..." And the response was,
	"the Lord has called me to this singing ministry and I've
	got to follow the Lord's calling..."

	Anyway, a very interesting movie on the topic of Christian
	music...
From: mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Gospel Blues
Date: 7 Jan 1993 20:26:21 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: world
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In article <1993Jan7.151213.9308@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:

|> [ ... ] Chris Whitley's debut album, "Living with the Law,"
|> is a *great* blues album.  I don't know if Chris is a Christian,
|> but he certainly uses a lot of biblical imagery.  

I bought this album... I really like his wailing, and noticed the
biblical imagery too...  but just a small warning to r.m.c., on a
couple of songs I (just MHO) interpreted them to be singing about
sleeping with women he wasn't married to, and not in a particularly
repentive way.

|> Heh.  Fortunately I'm married to someone who loves the stuff.  So does
|> my pastor.  It's kind of an idyllic existence to traipse off to Chicago
|> during the first week of June for the Blues Festival, wife in the front 
|> seat, pastor wedged between the kids in the back seat, and alternate 
|> between Muddy Waters, Buddy Guy, Sesame Street tapes ("Born to Add" is 
|> probably the most palatable), and great theological discussions.  We
|> did it last year and we'll probably do it again this year too.
|> You should check it out if you've never been there - three days of
|> great music, great food, and lots of hot, sweaty people - and it's
|> free.

Hey, my husband and I were at the Chicago Blues Festival last year,
too!  My brother-in-law, the great "H-Bomb Ferguson" from Cincinnati,
Ohio, played there! He played the Front Porch with "Pigmeat Jarret"
and again on the Back Porch with his band, "the Medicine Men".  Did
you happen to catch him?  He's not necessarily a spiritual man, but
we're working on him!  ;-)

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| Mary Ries             | Die, v.:                     | Software Engineer |
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: tim@kudzu.viewlogic.com (Tim Foster)
Subject: Re: Who does song "House of Faith"?
Originator: tim@kudzu
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:48:08 GMT


In article <1993Jan11.151053.20824@raid.dell.com>, randy@uutopia.dell.com (Randy Price) writes:
|> Heard the song on radio, and of course, annoucer did not identify.
|> 
|> Sort rock/funk/alternative.

That would be Geoff Moore & the Distance off of their latest
album titled "A Friend Like U".  Good stuff.

|> Randy
|> -- 
|> Randy Price                      randy@uutopia.dell.com
|> The opinions are my own, not my employers, cognito.
|> "Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have
|> removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God"
-- 

Tim Foster 
E-mail: tfoster@viewlogic.com
From: ngb5865@ultb.isc.rit.edu (N.G. Brookins)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Jon Gibson : Forever Friends
Date: 9 Jan 93 20:17:22 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: ngb5865@ultb

In article <C0Jx98.K0s@austin.ibm.com> you write:
>Has anyone out there in rec.music.christian land listened to
>this album? A friend of mine recommended it, and I would like
>to hear some other reviews before I go out and buy it.

I heard it 2 times and thought it had a lot of repetitiveness to it.
There is a lot of keyboards and rhythm machines used.
Its similar to Cindy Morgan's recent album in style.

--->Neil
From: jjc@moscom.com (John Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Sheet Music for :"Mystery of Love"
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:29:30 GMT
Organization: Moscom Corporation, Pittsford NY


Please forgive me if i am posting wrong..

Could someone please help me, i need the sheet music for my wedding that my
bride to be loves:

		"Mystery of Love
		Ogdon & Obe
		By Benson
		i believe it is one book called "The Wedding Album Vol. 5"

we can not find it, and if any of you are married you know how it feels to be
(or were) with a "bride to be 4" weeks from the wedding!!

if someone has it maybe they can fax it to me...


thx for all of your help!!!

john & chrisann
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Subject: Re: Crystal Lewis
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:51:36 GMT

In article <1ii2pjINN6bp@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, plemmons@mth.msu.edu (Steve Plemmons) writes:
|> Has anybody listened to the new Crystal Lewis CD?  True Tunes magazine did a
|> favorable review on it, but none of the local stores have a demo for me to listen
|> to.  So what do ya think?

   Just bought the CD this week...  It's worth a listen if you like
Crystal.  It isn't her best, in fact, it may be her weakest effort
so far.  They just didn't seem to capitalize on the energy that she
can crank out with that awesome voice.  It was a little tame and not
very imaginative compared to her previous projects.  I still like it
though - how can you NOT like that voice?

-- Tim
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White)
Subject: Def Lepard Cursed?
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:36:16 GMT

I know this has very little to do with Christian Music, but since the
Def Ones got mentioned in the Hotel California discussion, I thought I
might bring some humor to people's day.

In a recent MTV Rockumentary on Def Lepard, they were asked if the 
band was cursed (for those who haven't followed them, they do have
a propensity towards bad luck). The reply:

	"No, the band's not cursed. I mean, we have had our share
        of tragedy, but I don't think we're cursed. Of course,
        Jon Bon Jovi is so supersticious he won't even ride in 
        the same car with us."

I got a kick out of it.

How is it, BTW, that a band which created a musical Genere (pop metal)
and which, instrumentally, puts out some really fresh stuff (on those 
rare years they actually come out with an album) has such insipid
lyrics?!? I mean, Bon Jovi can't get beyond two syllable words, but
he mostly depends on his hair anyway, so it's no surprise. It's like
Rush - great music, great lyrics, but they couldn't make a decent
video if their lives depended on it. And Getty, come on, you've got
the money, get the nose fixed already!

Why doesn't Bob Dylan get his nasal passages enlarged?

Any more humorous observations out there?


Topher (*real* metal never went through a "glam" phase!)
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From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Humper Bumper Bashmobile, or why does this record exist?
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:01:52 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1993Jan11.145531.13682@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:

>Sure, there's always been people in CCM without much musical talent.
>(Just as a sidelight, I've talked to Honeytree a few times and found
>her to be a very nice, down-to-earth person.  She just can't sing.)   
>I may gripe about CCM, but it's a *lot* better than it used to be,

Honeytree ... didn't she give us that immortal classic, "Humper Bumper
Bashmobile"?  

Hey, there's a thread.  What are the most *absurd* CCM songs you've heard
over the years?  Samples welcome.  I suspect "Grape, Grape Joy in Jesus"
has got to be on a few people's lists ...



-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White)
Subject: Re: Long Haired Man
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:21:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.090212.19888@icf.hrb.com> jek@icf.hrb.com (Joe Karolchik) writes:
>My favorite thing to tell people when they make comments about my hair is that
>they should only get concerned if I start wearing ribbons and bows in it.

I've been known to wear ribbons and bows in my hair, but I am generally also
wearing a kilt and a large bladed weapon.


Topher
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From: bae@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Kyung "Blah" Bae)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: YES! Hotel California is Evil!
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:39:42 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


Why listen to it backwards??

Kyung
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From: svanegmo@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Stephen Van Egmond)
Subject: Backmasking  Was: YES! Hotel California is Evil!
Keywords: backmasking
Replies-To: gjhurlbut@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:03:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.163134.1@vax1.umkc.edu>, jpurcell@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
> Well, I've heard the backmasking on the back of the Hotel California Record.
> 
> That about ended my liking of the song.
> 

So I guess you don't like "Judas' Kiss" by Petra (about 1982ish)...  It has backmasking too.  It says something like "Why are you looking for the devil when you should be looking for the Lord?"  Not exact words, I've forgotten the exact words (I have proof - i.e. from Petra's album covers).  There is nothing wrong with backmasking.  In reality it is often useless, and always VERY expensive to produce.

It is nearly impossible to "mask" a message in a song.  There is FAR too much interference with the music.  That is why most backmasking is done by putting something either at the beginning (like in Judas' Kiss) or the end of the song.  Besides it is doubtful that the human brain could catch something recorded backwards at such a high speed.

Backmasking has nothing to do with Satanism... or anything else like that.  What is backmasked might be, but the process itself is not evil.  Assuming so is an insensible act.

I personally do not care for Hotel California because I have a gut feeling that it is connected with the First Church of Satan (i.e. that is what I feel they are singing about).  I enjoy the music, but choose not to listen to it.  I have no objective proof (as is the case with most of the people who pose opinions on the matter, even though they are too chicken to admit it).  I just feel that way, and it is my personal choice to avoid that particular song.

Gavin Hurlbut
gjhurlbut@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca
From: charles@phx.mcd.mot.com (Charles Wolff)
Subject: Re: Long Haired Man
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:10:03 GMT

}>>I have a very long hair... [ and a follow-up posting about the
}>>fact that this came up in reference to a job interview... ]
}
}I think anything in this area
}largely reverts to motivation and the reasoning of the heart
}
}I had an interesting situation come up over Christmas.  My mother complained
}about both the length of my hair
}
}My mother felt that
}I wasn't showing respect to her by dressing the way I do when I see her and
}go to events with her...

	Well, it has nothing to do with Christian music, but my Dad
	& I used to have this discussion regularly back in the
	late 60's / early 70's when I was living at home... and I
	finally went to my Mom (who did the haircutting in the
	family) and said, "OK, make it like Dad's..."  He came
	home from work and saw my shiny new brush cut, his jaw
	dropped, and... he never said a word to me about my hair
	length after that, even though it grew and grew the next
	few years.  It's gone back and forth over the years (last
	haircut: early '89 :-) ... and I think maybe "respect" is
	indeed the key word here.

	I've gone to job interviews with shoulder length hair,
	and I always made a point of specifically asking, "is
	my hair length a problem?  I would be willing to cut it
	if it was, but I prefer having it long..."  This shows some
	respect for a potential employer (even if they don't ask
	me to cut my hair, I've offerred) and might make the
	difference between getting an offer or not...

	Hair length is, in general, a "first impression" thing.
	If one has long hair and an attitude problem, it could
	well inspire someone to hope that getting you to cut
	your hair would fix your attitude problem, they might
	well ask you to cut your hair... (obligatory Christian
	music comment: many Christian musicians these days wear
	their hair long.  Any personal experiences, positive or
	negative, on how this might affect one's ability to
	minister through Christian music????)
From: plemmons@mth.msu.edu (Steve Plemmons)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Billy Smiley solo album???
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:01:23 GMT
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In article <72P002fs309F01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, dld30@QUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Dave Dooley) writes:
>
>I was looking through the CD International catalog the other day and
>stumbled across an entry that listed a CD release (I forgot the title)
>by Billy Smiley. Is this a solo album by the Billy Smiley of Whiteheart?
>If so, is it worth hunting down?
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>dld30@quts.ccc.amdahl.com |                          -me



I have the CD.  It is instrumental and sort of like Keaggy without the awesome
guitar work.  Most of the songs melodies are carried by trumpets.  I like it for
reading and meditating but don't expect it to be like Whiteheart.

See Ya,


Steve


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From: schouten@sp95.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten)
Subject: Re: Top 40 CCM albums of 1992
Organization: Center for Supercomputing R & D
	<1993Jan6.171338.874@uoft02.utoledo.edu>
	<1igd9hINNg9e@bigboote.WPI.EDU>
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:32:08

In article <1igd9hINNg9e@bigboote.WPI.EDU> steveso@wpi.WPI.EDU (Steven C Sousa) writes:
> In article <1993Jan6.171338.874@uoft02.utoledo.edu> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>>ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>>> Rush fans tend to be computer scientists.  
>>
>>dunno, but i think that's a slam to my profession...
> 
> Why do you say that? Rush is one of the most musically gifted bands who have
> ever picked up guitars and drumsticks! Neil Peart's lyrics are pure poetry as
> well.

This guy must be in CS . . .

:-)

Dale Schouten
schouten@uiuc.edu
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