Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.society.revolution
Subject: Re: AF/ATS: Revolutionary Cells communique
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 18:16:03 GMT
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, CANADA

In article <4669@sersun1.essex.ac.uk> tysoj@essex.ac.uk (Tyson J R) writes:

>In article <1992Jul20.121719.6938@iti.org> aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes:

>>In article <1992Jul20.081917.26758@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:

>>>Oh, goody. Next we'll replay the street battles between the communists and
>>>the brown shirts in the twenties and thirties....

>>As long as the last commie and the last brownshirt kill each other I don't
>>see this as a problem. :-)

>Well you are a fuckwit of the first order aren't you.

I'm uncertain as to whether you are calling me a fuckwit or Allen a fuckwit,
but I thought I'd comment anyway, since your article was so politely worded.

>Even if the vast majority of the 20,000,000 soviets who died
>were not communists, what about the leftists partisans all
>over Europe who were butchered by nazis?  You think that
>they got what was coming to them?

What has this got to do with my original reference, which was to the street
toughs who fought each other in the streets and beer halls of Germany after
World War I? At that point, the nazis certainly hadn't butchered millions,
or even thousands, so your comment above is simply meaningless. (Try _real_
hard now, if you can do so without inflaming your bowels, and re-read my
original statement, which I have copied above. If there are English words in
that statement which are too complex for your neanderthal grey matter, ask
someone in bonehead English for help. In particular, check out the words
"twenties" and "thirties" between mouthfuls of pablum in the morning.)

>My own family were bundists who came west because they rejected
>Stalinism.  Both  my grandmothers had 13 children.  I have only
>ever seen one of my uncles, he was too young to fight in the
>resistance.

Again, since I was talking about the Twenties, what has that experience got
to do with anything?

>Members of my family were among those who in the Netherlands
>published 'de Rode Vlag' all through the war, organising
>anti-nazi strikes and propaganda, hiding those conscripted for
>slave labour in Germany and even trying to fraternise with
>German soldiers to cause dissaffection.  de Rode Vlag also
>questioned the role of Dutch capitalists under the nazis
>and argued that the royal family, having fled should not be
>allowed back.

Again, this has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with my comment.

>The most distinguished Trotskyist fighter in Belgium during
>the war was Avram Leon, who wrote the Book `The Jewish
>Question', he was martyred in a concentration camp.  The
>nazis didn't much care for Jews or trotskyists.

Again, this has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with my comment.

>I sincerely hope that we meet someday, and then I can give
>you the welcome we traditionally reserve for scum like you.

Given your inability to comprehend simple language constructs and
expressions, I suspect we wouldn't have much to talk about... of course,
given the unfounded, personal nature of your attack, it's unlikely we'd chat
long.

As you obviously either missed the original article that I responded to, or
are incapable of comprehending rational thought if you _did_ see it, I will
simply point out that it dealt with a Red Army Faction communique promising
violence against the neo-nazis in Germany, i.e. bombings, etc.  (Try _real_
hard now, and read the Subject: line above - ask any adult to explain the
big words, like "Revolutionary", to you, and, I suspect, "Cell.")

My position regarding the nazis is quite clear, and your insults are without
consequence or substance. My post was a brief rejection of terrorist
violence, even against the nazis, although you are clearly incapable of
comprehending such complex political thought. 

Tell me, Tyson, J R, are the readers of your polite, comprehensive response
to deduce that you support Red Army Group terrorism, based upon a history
you clearly are incapable of understanding?
-- 
"The mass killings by shooting proved cumbersome and expensive. Too many
people were needed to shoot 33,711 Jews on September 29 and 30, 1941, at
Babi Yar near Kiev. Eventually, close to 100,000 corpses filled that
ravine, mostly of Jews, but also of partisans and saboteurs." [Laska]
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