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From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: Lennon leads
Summary:  "I Feel Fine"
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 15:14:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.200035.29067@b8.b8.ingr.com> daugherb@b8.b8.ingr.com (Bruce Daugherty) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.230000.16565@midway.uchicago.edu>, rm34@quads.uchicago.edu (Brother Robert) writes:
>> A subject that our good friend Mark is quite lax concerning is who plays the 
>> various guitar parts on Beatles songs.  Specifically, who plays all the
>> leads.

He's not lax, just careful. There aren't any consistent documents
referring to variations in lead guitar playing; EMI engineers didn't
care. :-) And since Lewisohn's interest is in the production of the
work, rather than a critical assessment of the playing (he gets into
this only secondarily), he relies on studio documentation to tell
him the facts. Lead guitar players can sometimes be discerned from
style, or comments on the tapes themselves (studio chatter which
we're certainly not privileged to hear, unless it's already been
bootlegged), but I believe Lewisohn's focus was elsewhere.

With a careful ear of your own and a reliance on anecdotes from
Beatles' interviews, you can usually figure this out on your own.
At least it's an interesting way to pass the time.

>I remember reading that JL came up with the catchy intro to I Feel Fine
>while in India. I've always wondered who played the part on record.

When John wrote "I Feel Fine" in 1964, he had not yet been to India.
The trip to Rishikesh took place in 1968. John himself mastered the
methodology of producing this "accidental" feedback on cue. Listen to
the BBC radio tapes to hear him do this live!

--
"What makes this foursome's history quite unprecedented is the fact that
two of the boys write (with an output rate which is prolific-plus!) all
the songs which The Beatles take to the top of the hit parade."
-----------------------------------------------saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu)
From: wlamonac@purcell.helios.nd.edu (william lamonaca)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: The Rutles (was Re: Various questions...)
Date: 13 Nov 92 05:50:20 GMT
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame

In article <1992Nov12.224043.19611@midway.uchicago.edu> enf1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>OK, It's time for me to make myself look very ignorant!
>
>My copy of The Rutles includes the following songs:
>A: Hold My Hand; Number One; With a Girl Like You; I Must be in Love; Ouch!;
>   Living in Hope; Love Life; Nevertheless
>B: Good Times Roll; Doubleback Alley; Cheese and Onions; Another Day;
>   Piggy in the Middle; Let's Be Natural.
>
>These are the same songs I've seen on other copies of the record as well.
>So where do songs like Goose Step Mama, Baby Let Me Be, Blue Suede Schubert,
>Between Us, It's Looking Good, and Get Up and Go come from?  Are these
>songs from the film only and not on the soundtrack?
>
>Someone who can enlighten me, please do so!
>
>Thanks,
>Eric Fischer
>enf1@ellis.uchicago.edu
>
>

The new songs were briefly in the film, but they made their appearances
on the Rutles CD that was reissued about a year and a half to two years
ago.  The CD sounds good, and I like the new songs, but it omits some of
the text and pictures that are in the Rutles LP booklet.  However, the CD
does list the (real-life) musicians that play on the album, and also lists
the (imaginary) albums that songs first appeared on.  (ie, "Goose-Step
Mama" was from the previously unreleased "Silver Rutles Demo Sessions"
and "Let's Be Natural" was originally on "Shabby Road")

By the way, I forget which label it was on, but there was a Rutles tribute
album called "Rutles Highway Revisited" with the entire soundtrack being
covered by groups such as Shonen Knife, Syd Straw, Galaxy 500 and lots
more.  It's highly recommended.  (It also includes a recent interview
with Ron Nasty).

		-Bill
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From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: Winter '62-'63
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 16:43:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.081836.5281@syma.sussex.ac.uk> stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter) writes:
>jblum@next00clab.wam.umd.edu (The Maven) writes:
>: How about "Life In A Northern Town"?  The name of the artist escapes me,
>: but remember this verse:
>: 
>: He said
>: In winter nineteen sixty-three
>: It felt like the world would freeze
>: With John F. Kennedy
>: And the Beatles
>: 
>: (ghostly echo of crazed teenage screaming...)
>
>The non-fab meteorological reference here is to the fact that the
>winter of 1962/3 in the UK was a very very cold winter indeed.  Snow
>fell on Boxing Day 1962 and stayed for several months.

I know about that particularly cold winter; it wore down the most
resilient of souls; it made getting essential services, like repairs
for frozen, burst pipes and furnaces, very difficult; it flummoxed
the health of millions...even contributed to the death of an American
poet living in London. And the Beatles caught various colds and flus
that winter that actually caused them to cancel some concert/club dates
or play as a trio!

But I'm confused at the lyrical reference in this song, which I've never
heard. What's this pairing of "John F. Kennedy/And the Beatles" in
"winter nineteen sixty-three"? I assume the Kennedy reference was the
assassination...but that happened almost a year later, in the winter
of '63-'64 (actually just prior to the onset of that winter). And that
winter in England wasn't terribly bad, was it?

Or are the songwriters just too young to remember? :-)

--
"What makes this foursome's history quite unprecedented is the fact that
two of the boys write (with an output rate which is prolific-plus!) all
the songs which The Beatles take to the top of the hit parade."
-----------------------------------------------saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu)
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From: blukoff@nyx.cs.du.edu (Benjamin Lukoff)
Subject: Re: Mia Farrow
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 02:32:12 GMT

kent_f1@verifone.com writes:

>>(Craig  Cameron) writes: (that Dear Prudence was written for Mia Farrow
s
>sister)

>I don't have my books in front of me, but wasn't it Mia Farrow's
>daughter?
>^^^^^^^^
Prudence farrow was (is) Mia Farrow's *sister*.
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From: parw@hippo.ru.ac.za (Mr R Walker)
Subject: Albums
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:01:25 GMT

****************************************************************************
Hi
Does anyone out there have any idea, if and when the two beatles albums
1960-1967 and 1967-1970 (the red and the blue ones ) will be out on CD

Many thanks
Rod

-- 
   R.B. Walker - School of Pharmaceutical Sciences - Rhodes University
   Internet:   PARW@hippo.ru.ac.za  Telephone: (0461) 22023 xt 412
				    Fax      : (0461) 311205
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From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Subject: Re: "tie me down, kangaroo sport"
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 02:07:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.162243.2379@vixvax.mgi.com> dthompson@vixvax.mgi.com writes:
>This was submitted for the Beatles novelty list:
>
>> 1) The Dr. Demento show had a version of the song
>> Tie me down kangaroo sport
>> with an obscure group known as the BEATLES doing background.
>> It was done before they were big.
>
>It doesn't fit the list, but it's got me curious. I've never heard of this.
>Is this for real?
>

Well, perhaps December 1963 was before they had been on the "really big
shew", but the Boys were not complete unknowns in the states at that time,
and *certainly* not "an obscure group".

A teensy tinny bit of explanation:   Throughout 1963, the Beatles regularly 
recorded a radio program for the BBC called "Pop Goes the Beatles".  As part 
of a holiday special to be aired on Boxing Day (12/26) of 1963, the Beatles 
were again called upon to record a program, this time named "From Us to You".
(a title which would be re-used throughout 1964 for the Beatles frequent 
appearances on BBC radio).   The emcee for this show:  none other then Rolf
Harris, familiar to British folks for his novelty record "Tie Me Kangaroo
Down, Sport."   As per usual, the Beatles performed their usual selection of
hits, including "She Loves You", "I Saw Her Standing There", and "I Want to
Hold Your Hand".  However, before the show closed (actually, before IWtHYH),
the Beatles performed a jokey version of Harris' hit, with frequent references
to the individual band members, their instruments, and (of course) their 
haircuts.   This "gem" has found it's way onto many Beatles bootlegs, and can
most commonly be found on "Beatles at the Beeb v.8"

<ESC>



-- 
..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)

                                
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From: kjmcrae@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (insert name here)
Subject: Re: beatles in other songs
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:48:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.173705.13201@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
> Has anyone mentioned David Bowie's "Young Americans" yet?
> 
> Background singers: "I read the news today, Oh boy"

...& Simon & Garfunkel's "Mrs. Robinson" ("Goo goo g'joo Mrs. Robinson...")


...km   
"I'm a man who respects a good coma." - J.Seinfeld
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From: prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (dave)
Subject: Re: Uncle Albert
Keywords: lyrics request
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 16:47:41 GMT

In article <henny.720940599@uieea> henny@uieea.ece.uiuc.edu (Henny Graupe) writes:
>Though not exactly a Beatles song, would anyone know where I could
>find the lyrics to McCartneys Uncle Albert/ Admiral Halsey song?
these can be found in the liner notes of _all the best_

>Also what exactly is the relationship between the song and any real
>characters?
no clue.  probably none. :)

-- 
( dave prokopy - prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu or prokopy@sage.cc.purdue.edu    )
( "pretty duplicitous wicked and evil media ready heartless and they were   )
(  super u.s. citizens super achiever mega ultra power dozing relax defense )
(  defense defense defense yeah yeah yeah" - r.e.m., "ignoreland"           )
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From: hymowitz@whatever.cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!)
Subject: another reason why i miss vinyl (anybody remember vinyl?)
Reply-To: hymowitz@cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!)
Organization: Creative Sensualities dept, Jacquie's House of Underwear
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:52:02 GMT

i was in a record store (excuse me - a music store) and i found (in the
oldies section) a tape single of let it be/you know my name. so i said
to myself, 'hey hymie, you don't have ykmn, and it's not on an album,
so perhaps you should grab it.' and i responded 'gee, you're right.'

so i got it (over $3!) and take it home and look at the case.

it turns out that this tape single (are all of them like this?) are two
identical sides containing let it be followed by ykmn. so, unlike a 45
(where i can just play side 2 to my heart's content) i either need to
listen to let it be each time, or find another tape and transfer ykmn to it.

on the other hand, a 45 would cost about a buck fifty, and i could play
side 2 over and over again (it's a really cool song).

so, what i will probably do is copy my let it be album (yes - vinyl) and
my abbey road tape to opposite sides of a 90-minute tape and take ykmn to
the end of let it be.  will 90 be long enough? or do i need a 100 or a 120?

*sigh* the more things change, the more i miss the good ol' days.
ah, 1986...

saki in '96 - got two votes already!

--hymie
hymowitz@cs.jhu.edu                                         hymie@jhuvms.bitnet
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From: raindrop@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nathaniel Michael Pearson)
Subject: Re: "tie me down, kangaroo sport"
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 02:48:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.162243.2379@vixvax.mgi.com> dthompson@vixvax.mgi.com writes:
>This was submitted for the Beatles novelty list:
>
>> 1) The Dr. Demento show had a version of the song
>> Tie me down kangaroo sport
>> with an obscure group known as the BEATLES doing background.
>> It was done before they were big.
>
>It doesn't fit the list, but it's got me curious. I've never heard of this.
>Is this for real?
>
>Moko
>dthompson@mgi.com
>
	For real, I think.  I heard this played on the radio a while back,
	and it was really enjoyable.  I think they substituted Ringo for
	Dingo in some of the lyrics (or at least rhymed them).  So it couldn't
	have been that early...I think it was from a radio show ca. '63/'64.

				Nat Pearson
				raindrop@leland.stanford.edu


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From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: Various questions...
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 19:50:17 GMT

In article <1donvuINNfvk@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> maujs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J D Morris) writes:
>	I've got all the Beatles official releases, more or
>	less, and am wondering if there is any legal way I can
>	get copies of the unreleased stuff. 

Sorry---there's no legal way. This material remains unreleased because
that's what the Beatles prefer, at least at this time. Recent news
stories to the contrary, there is no planned release of any Beatles
vault material. Illegal procurement of these songs, on bootleg CDs,
vinyl, or tape, is still the only way to hear it.

>	... has the 'Sessions' album ever been released,
>	legally or not?

It's not clear to me that a bootleg is really "released" so much as
"unloaded", often veiled in mystery and accompanied by little or no
hoopla. These things just seem to appear, making one marvel at what must
be very circuitous distribution routes. "Sessions" was pulled from an
official EMI release plan and shelved in January 1985, and has thus never
enjoyed official sanction.

>	And finally, I must agree about 'The Beatles Discography'
>	being a tad inaccurate. I'm sure Paul played the drums
>	on 'Back In The USSR' for a start...and as for the
>	'Ultimate Beatles Quizbook', well, here's an example:
>	Q Name the Beatles song which mentioned a sweater...
>	A When I'm 64 
>		No mention of 'Get Back' whatsoever...

Who's the author of "Discography"? Rely on your Lewisohn and you'll
rarely (I said *rarely*) be steered wrong. Paul did indeed play drums
on "Back In The USSR" because it was recorded during the week in
August 1968 when Ringo, in a fit of pique, left the Beatles (he was 
lured back shortly and it was hushed for fear of the media finding out).

I used to think Paul did a serviceable job on the drums here, but
listening to the CD the other day I was astonished at how labored
the drumming in "USSR" sounded to me. Could my ears have been having
a bad day, or have I not paid attention before? Lucky the rest of the
song's so terrific. 

And as for trivia, even ultimate trivia, you'll always find slip-ups
like these. Trivia, by nature, invites omission. Stick to solid
scholarship, where you often find out more than you ever wanted
to know. :-)

--
"What makes this foursome's history quite unprecedented is the fact that
two of the boys write (with an output rate which is prolific-plus!) all
the songs which The Beatles take to the top of the hit parade."
-----------------------------------------------saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu)
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From: edc@dna.bchs.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Winter '62-'63
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:51:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.164310.717@math.ucla.edu> dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)  
writes:
> In article <1992Nov4.081836.5281@syma.sussex.ac.uk> stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk  
(Stephen Carter) writes:
> >jblum@next00clab.wam.umd.edu (The Maven) writes:
> >: 

     Re: Dream Academy's "Life In a Northern Town"

> >: In winter nineteen sixty-three
(I actually think the line is "In the winter of sixty-three")
> >: It felt like the world would freeze
> >: With John F. Kennedy
> >: And the Beatles
> >
> >The non-fab meteorological reference here is to the fact that the
> >winter of 1962/3 in the UK was a very very cold winter indeed.  Snow
> >fell on Boxing Day 1962 and stayed for several months.
> 
> But I'm confused at the lyrical reference in this song, which I've never
> heard. What's this pairing of "John F. Kennedy/And the Beatles" in
> "winter nineteen sixty-three"? I assume the Kennedy reference was the
> assassination...but that happened almost a year later, in the winter
> of '63-'64 (actually just prior to the onset of that winter). And that
> winter in England wasn't terribly bad, was it?
> 
> Or are the songwriters just too young to remember? :-)

Perhaps the songwriters are combining two separate winters, but perhaps not.

I had always thought the Kennedy reference a subtle lyrical nod to the cold war  
("felt like the World would freeze") and the Cuban Missile Crisis.  Remember 
that Kennedy was one of (if not *THE*) major players at that moment in world
history.  The reference also applying to the actual harsh winter in England  
that year becomes a nice touch, and a bit of a Lennonesque use of dual  
meanings.

As far as the fabs reference, it would also make much more sense in the British
context for the lyric to be about the winter spanning '62 - '63.   That was the
period when the boys were just beginning to release records in England.  That  
winter would encompass the release of "Love Me Do", and then the breakthrough  
with the "Please Please Me" single and album.  The "Yeah, Yeah, Yeah" is a bit  
out of place, as "She Loves You" wouldn't come until later that year, but since  
I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt, let's just say that that is a bit of
artistic license.

<ESC>
--
..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)
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From: paul@moore.com (Paul Maclauchlan)
Subject: Re: beatles in other songs
Organization: Moore Corporation Limited, Toronto ON, Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 13:04:15 GMT

Jim Napier (napier@cs.ucsd.edu) wrote:
: 
: I'd like to know what the full story of "Garden Party" is. I believe it has
: to do with a concert Rick Nelson put on where many famous people showed up

Rick(y) Nelson was signed to do a big Madison Square Garden Rock'n'Roll
revival show.  He showed up and played a few of his old hits (Mary Lou,
Travellin' Man,...) and got a good reception.

However, when he tried to play some of his new material, he got booed.

The incident really disturbed him, and he swore off "revival" shows.

"You can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself"

-- 
.../Paul Maclauchlan
Moore Corporation Limited, Toronto, Ontario (416) 364-2600
paul@moore.com   -or-  {...!uunet.ca,...!telly}!moore!paul
"...take a sad song and make it better."/JL&PMcC'68
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From: mcodogno@nyx.cs.du.edu (Maurizio Codogno)
Subject: Re: Various questions...
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 12:50:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.033103.17366@husc3.harvard.edu> nahas1@husc8.harvard.edu (Stephanie Nahas) writes:
>
>In article <1donvuINNfvk@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> maujs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J D Morris) writes:
>
>>	album is trying to work out which Beatles songs are being
>>	parodied. Some of the Rutles songs correspond pretty
>>	obviously (i.e. Get Up And Go = Get Back) but there's a few I'm
>>	not too sure about, like 'It's Looking Good' and 'Cheese And Onions'...
>>	lists anyone?	
>

I never saw the original posting...
Anyway, part of _It's Looking Good_ is modelled after _I Don't Want
to Spoil The Party_, while _Cheese and Onions_ surely remembers
_A Day in the Life_... same kind of orchestral crescendo followed
by the last never-ending chord :-))))))))
 
--
ciao! .mau.
-----
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"home" email: mau@beatles.cselt.stet.it
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From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: Mia Farrow
Summary: "Dear Prudence"
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 16:12:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.170711.4634@verifone.com> kent_f1@verifone.com writes:
>>(Craig  Cameron) writes: (that Dear Prudence was written for Mia Farrow's
>sister)
>
>I don't have my books in front of me, but wasn't it Mia Farrow's
>daughter?
>^^^^^^^^

Ahh...you subscribe to the theory that "Dear Prudence" was cowritten
by Woody Allen? :-)

Actually, Mia had no children in 1968 when "Dear Prudence" was 
composed; she was still either married to Frank Sinatra or in 
the process of disengaging from that union. John, in the Playboy
Interviews, 1980, affirmed that the song was about Mia's sister
(who may or may not be Prudence...I've never been able to find a
list of Mia's siblings, who numbered six), who was reluctant to
emerge from her tent because she was so intent on meditating.

Later on, during the Beatles ensuing days in Rishikesh, someone
reported that a woman in their entourage (widely rumored to be
Mia herself) suffered an indignity at the hands of the Maharishi.
Whether or not this tale was true, it was the catalyst for the
Fabs' disenchantment with the man whose philosophy they had come
so far to embrace.

--
"What makes this foursome's history quite unprecedented is the fact that
two of the boys write (with an output rate which is prolific-plus!) all
the songs which The Beatles take to the top of the hit parade."
-----------------------------------------------saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu)
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Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 13:28:29 -0500 
From: "Jason M. Roth" <jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: beatles in other songs
	<1992Nov5.060506.11381@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>

Another contemporary ref: the Kinks' "Where have all the good times gone?":

something like:
Yesterday  love
was such an easy game for you to play
but now let's face it
things are so much easier today
let it be like yesterday...

This is horribly paraphrased, but it came out in '66 or so, and makes
references to other current songs (inc their own).

By the way, does anyone know if the Kinks are still together, recording,
or what? Haven't heard from them in at least 3 years now....

JMR
HSK

PS Also, in "Life in a Northern Town,", after the Beatles line, they
sing, "Yeah, yeah...." over the screaming.
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Subject: Re: beatles in other songs
From: kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:08:51 EST
 <1992Nov4.173518.13123@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> <1992Nov5.060506.11381@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1992Nov5.060506.11381@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, ers1@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (eugene.r.schroeder) writes:
> Another reference by Bowie (I think) is from Cygnet Committee:
> 
>   "Infiltrated business cesspools,
>    Hating through our sleeves,
>    And we slit the Catholic throat
>    Stoned the poor on slogans such as:
>      'Wish You Could Hear,'
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   This is probably Wish You Were Here, a Pink Floyd song/album.
BTW, Floyd guitarist David Gilmour plays the guitar solo on
"No More Lonely Nights."

Karl
------
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