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From: rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz)
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,alt.censorship,alt.sex,tor.general
Subject: Re: Surprise.  You've made the evening news again.
Date: 25 Jul 92 07:36:51 GMT
Organization: The Armory

In article <1992Jul17.152119.14526@meadow.uucp> marc@meadow.UUCP (Marc Riehm) writes:
>In article <1992Jul13.073249.28035@deeptht.armory.com> rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes:
>                                                               ^^^^^^^
>                                                   deeptht == deep thought?  :)
>
>[ lunatic ranting deleted]
>
>>In fact, I, like amnesty international and other such groups adhere to
>>a rather strict interpretation of human rights. Any one who gets in
>>the way of human rights, most especially the right to say ANYTHING
>>should be taken out and shot. We finally have that here now. I cannot
>>find a thing I can say which will get me arrested, unless I threaten
>>someone's life or follow them around haranguing them. This is in
>>contrast to you ridiculous excuse for a nation to the north. You can
>>still virtually be recommended for jail time by your local vicar, like
>>we could in the fifties! Religion based countries are vicious
>>countries, and you will learn that by and by.
>
>Recently at my company we had a "personal growth" seminar, conducted by
>someone from head office (in California).  As part of the exercise, we had to
>rank our personal values from a set of 28.  As it turned out, in our group
>10 out of 15 people ranked religion in the bottom 3 of their set of values.
>The American who conducted the course remarked on this, and said that it was
>typical of the Canadian groups he had given the course to.  By contrast,
>the Americans who he gave the course to were far more religious.
>
>Casual observation leads me to believe that Canadians are less religious than
>Americans, and have more separation between Church and State.  We tend to
>be less demonstrative in our religion -- far less fundamentalism.  How many
>times do you hear Canadian politicians mention god?  And how many times do you
>hear their American counterparts mention god?
>
>[ raving deleted ]
>
>>It strikes me that you in Canada are a bunch of scared twits, true
>>ninnies in the essence of the word to put up with such crap from a
>>supposed member in good standing of the "free" world. 
>
>Well, that was a well-informed opinion.
>Marc Riehm      Amdahl Canada Ltd., Software Development Center
>                2000 Argentia Road, Plaza 2, Suite 300
>                Mississauga, Ont.   L5N 1V8
>marc@meadow.UUCP
-----------------------------
Another devout Ontarian fighting for his honor. :)
Honest, Marc. I don't hate Canadians, why some of my best friends are
Canadians!!!!!! :->
- R. Steven Walz
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
Subject: Re: putting lyrics to "Cop Killer" in .plan file
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:22:39 GMT
	<JBW.92Jul17231548@bigbird.bu.edu>
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

In article <JBW.92Jul17231548@bigbird.bu.edu> jbw@bigbird.bu.edu (Joe Wells) writes:

>First, congratulations, you seem to understand perfectly why I came here
>asking for help!  Second, I think you are talking about legal rights,
>while I am seeking arguments that might invoke moral rights or some other
>form of pressure on the university.  Third, keep in mind that I am a
>tuition and fee paying student.  Fourth, under Massachusetts law, it turns
>out that I may actually have the right.

Around here, you have the right to say anything you want...providing
you give people the *choice* of hearing it or not. To my mind, that
means that users can say anything they please on private lists and in
appropriate groups, but anything posted on the public bulletin areas,
in the main msg areas, on X-terminals, *and in finger* must be roughly
equivalent to PG-13. 

"finger" is the public directory service provided by this site. Users
should be able to use finger without getting any sort of shock. On my
site, I would ask you to replace that quote with a pointer to a
publicly readable file, if you want to distribute a potentially
offensive message. That way, you are free to say whatever you like,
and users are free to CHOOSE to hear it or not.
  Freedom of speech does not equal guaranteed access to any means of 
communication at any time. It is the same thing with Usenet news. Post
pornography on alt.sex.stories; keep the talk clean in misc.kids and
comp.unix.programmer. 
  Does this seem fair?


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Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,alt.censorship,alt.sex,tor.general
From: sean@ms.uky.edu (Sean Casey)
Subject: Re: Surprise. You've made the evening news again.
    <1992Jul13.073249.28035@deeptht.armory.com> 
    <1992Jul14.231918.20382@bkj386.uucp> 
    <1992Jul18.141212.27368@deeptht.armory.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 07:04:08 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes:
|>True.  I think you should round up all those guys in the world that
|>you disagree with and stick them in concentration....oops...prisons
|>or military stockades (half a :)).

|No, you idiot, people who kill other people and import cocaine, and
|who rule fascistically without mandate. I have little interest in
|making the world that much less interesting by jailing those I
|disagree with.

Well, I'm all for dealing harshly with murderers and politicians who
don't properly represent, but why did he lump cocaine importers in
with those? Geez, importing cocaine is no worse than brewing beer.
You get bags of cocaine and take them from point A to point B. No
one's rights get trampled by that. Let's not compare them to murderers
and crooked politicians.

Sean
-- 
                  |``Wind, waves, etc. are breakdowns in the face of the
Sean Casey        | commitment to getting from here to there. But they are the
sean@s.ms.uky.edu | conditions for sailing -- not something to be gotten rid
U of KY, Lexington| of, but something to be danced with.''
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Re: Surprise.  You've made the evening news again.
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:38:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul18.141212.27368@deeptht.armory.com> rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes:
>>
>>True.  I think you should round up all those guys in the world that
>>you disagree with and stick them in concentration....oops...prisons
>>or military stockades (half a :)).
>-------------------------
>No, you idiot, people who kill other people and import cocaine, and
>who rule fascistically without mandate. I have little interest in
>making the world that much less interesting by jailing those I
>disagree with.

Does putting people who kill people and traffic cocaine in jail mean we
will get to jail George Bush for his actions as director of the CIA?
Or was the CIA only trafficking in heroin when George was director?




Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,alt.censorship,alt.sex,tor.general
From: mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Surprise.  You've made the evening news again.
Bcc:  mitchell
Reply-To: mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell)
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 15:43:03 GMT

in alt.censorship, rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) said:

>In article <1992Jul17.152119.14526@meadow.uucp> marc@meadow.UUCP (Marc Riehm) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul13.073249.28035@deeptht.armory.com> rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes:
>>>
>>>[...]
>>>It strikes me that you in Canada are a bunch of scared twits, true
>>>ninnies in the essence of the word to put up with such crap from a
>>>supposed member in good standing of the "free" world. 
>>>- R. Steven Walz
>>
>>Well, that was a well-informed opinion.
>>marc@meadow.UUCP
>
>Honest, Marc. I don't hate Canadians, why some of my best friends are
>Canadians!!!!!! :->
>- R. Steven Walz

Could have fooled me....
-- 
mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell)

Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: Steve_Gilbert@gatormail.educom.edu (Steve Gilbert)
Subject: Re: Computers and Academic F
Originator: daemon@eff.org
Organization: EFF mail-news gateway
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:55:16 GMT

        Reply to:   RE>Computers and Academic Free
What do i do to read such a thing? do i need any special software>?

--------------------------------------
Date: 7/28/92
To: Steve Gilbert
From: comp-academic-freedom-talk@eff
See enclosed file of D.smtp.in.8548


Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: [news.admin, et al.]  Articles violatating newgroups charter
Originator: kadie@eff.org
Organization: EFF mail-news gateway
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:59:11 GMT


Newsgroups: news.admin,news.groups,news.misc
From: news@opencon.com (News Admin)
Subject:  Articles violatating newgroups charter
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1992 22:38:39 GMT

As a reader of newsgroups, and as a administrator, few newsgroup violate
their Charter, for example soc.culture.indian, inclosed is the article.
Is there a way news administrators, especially in the universities, admin
to put up statements saying not to post any FLAMES, and if they see any
to warn the students/users/employees,etc. of such behavior.   I thought, that
as educated (technical) people, on the net we would know better??
When a newsgroup is created it has a purpose, i.e., it's charter.  If people
violate the charter, shouldn't something be done buy the "news" administrators,
even though the "group" by itself is unadministrated.

	I have purposely not included the person who did the positing,
but rather where it originatied from, and the article.

>Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
>Subject: Pakisthani Cross Posters and AGENTS in soc.culture.indian
>Date: 8 Jul 92 00:45:16 GMT
>Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
>Lines: 35
>
>
>	THESE *$@@@@*&^$%^^^^ PAKISTANI CROSS POSTER ARE HALF BREED.
>	===========================================================
>
>	(Just replace #$%%^& symbols by UNPARLIMENTARY WORDS)
>
>
>Recently I saw lot of CROSS POSTING articles placed by muslims. (I
>am assuming these $&***^^ are Pakistani as there are very few if any
>Hindu or Sikh left in Pakisthan).
>
>	
>Well for various reasons THESE #^*&^%$ Pakisthanis have thrown
>out HINDUS AND SIKHS from there provience which they call Pakisthan.
>Now if you do not like Hindus or Sikh then that is fine I am 
>not asking to love them nor asking for tolerance.
>
>	What I am asking is keep your ideas and views in your own 
>SOC.CULTURE.PAKISTHAN  For UN sakes keep your nose out of each other
>NET work this applies to INDIAN SOULS and SAINTS.
>
>	THESE CROSS POSTER AS VERY SICK PEOPLE.  #$^&**&^^% PAKISTHANI
>
>
>LONG LIVE HINDUSTHAN LONG LIVE KHALISTHAN
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>DEATH TO PAKISTHAN
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
>================================================================
>Hey Do not send me any e_mail like coward or brave if you want
>to make any comments post it on the net work.
>


	I am bascially looking for a way people, using there U.S. First
amendment rights, not to violate other people rights and also follow
the charter of the newsgroups.  If any suggestions please do let me
know or postit so that other people will also be educated.
-- 
News Administrator
news@opencon.com

-- 
Carl Kadie -- I do not represent EFF; this is just me.
 =kadie@eff.org, kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: merlyn@digibd.com (Merlyn LeRoy)
Subject: Re: putting lyrics to "Cop Killer" in .plan file
Organization: DigiBoard Incorporated, Eden Prairie, MN
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:25:35 GMT

If other students have humorous or otherwise irrelevant text in their
.plan files and have not been told to remove them, then you should document
this (print out a session where you get the time & date, and finger
a bunch of other students).  This would show that the university is
telling you, and only you, to remove your .plan based on the content,
and not on disk space, or using .plan for what it is intended (does
anyone use .plan for what it is intended?)  That would clearly make it a
first amendment case, and the U would almost certainly lose.

---
Merlyn LeRoy
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: [comp.admin.policy]  Survey on user privacy
Originator: daemon@eff.org
Organization: EFF mail-news gateway
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:47:00 GMT


Newsgroups: comp.admin.policy
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears)
Subject:  Survey on user privacy
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:59:31 GMT



Today we have a very interesting and sensitive situation arise -- a user  
passed away and now the user's parents would like access to the user's  
account.

This is a situation that I have not had to deal with before.  There are some  
ethical considerations that need to be understood.  I am wondering how other  
Administrators/Managers have handled similar situations.

1)  I consider a users's account to be "private" and that privacy would only  
be compromised by their own choice (i.e., lend their password to a friend, not  
acceptable under our computer usage policies, btw, but it does happen) or in  
the event of a system/security problem.  Is privacy still an issue when the  
user is deceased?

2)  The account of the deceased user may contain information that could be  
considered "sensitive" or "revealing."  And then it may not.  I am not in the  
position to determine what is sensitive.  However, there may be information in  
that account that the user would never want anyone to see.  But what about the  
desire of the parents to claim his "personal" files, much like cleaning out  
his office (this is being done also)?

3) Is there legal recourse for the parents or relatives of the user if access  
is denied?  

4) The current policy of Academic Computing is that the only person who can  
*legally* access an account is the one who signed the account application,  
which means that the parents cannot be given access.  In essence I agree, but  
shows a lack of compassion.  One manager suggested that I move all the users  
files to removable media and then give the media to the parents and then  
archive the account.  It is fairly obvious after searching through policies  
and talking with various administrators and managers that this it not a common  
problem.  Has any organization's computing policy explicitly cover this  
particular situation?  If so and the policy was to completely deny access, was  
that a decision that would legally hold water??  

I would really appreciate hearing from those who have faced a similar  
situation.  I would like to see this issue resolved fairly and ethically to  
all parties involved.  


I will provide a summary.

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From: rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz)
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,alt.censorship,alt.sex,tor.general
Subject: Re: Surprise. You've made the evening news again.
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:23:38 GMT
Organization: The Armory

In article <1992Jul27.30408.21341@ms.uky.edu> sean@ms.uky.edu (Sean Casey) writes:
>rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes:
>|>True.  I think you should round up all those guys in the world that
>|>you disagree with and stick them in concentration....oops...prisons
>|>or military stockades (half a :)).
>
>|No, you idiot, people who kill other people and import cocaine, and
>|who rule fascistically without mandate. I have little interest in
>|making the world that much less interesting by jailing those I
>|disagree with.
>
>Well, I'm all for dealing harshly with murderers and politicians who
>don't properly represent, but why did he lump cocaine importers in
>with those? Geez, importing cocaine is no worse than brewing beer.
>You get bags of cocaine and take them from point A to point B. No
>one's rights get trampled by that. Let's not compare them to murderers
>and crooked politicians.
>
>Sean Casey
----------------------------------
My god, you're totally right, Sean, I can't imagine what came over me.
I enjoyed Noriega getting his because he's such a fascist little
bastard, but I think we should legalize cocaine. That would take all
the crime and danger out of it, not to mention the profit. What would
the poor compasinos do then? I completely lost my head for a minute.
We had a drive-by shooting on the next block the other day over crack,
so I simply went into react mode instead of logic mode. Haven't done
that in ages. My apologies.
- Steve Walz
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: tt@tarzan.jyu.fi (Tapani Tarvainen)
Subject: Re: Surprise.  You've made the evening news again.
Followup-To: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
Originator: tt@tarzan.jyu.fi
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla
	<1992Jul13.073249.28035@deeptht.armory.com>
	<TT.92Jul15084915@tarzan.jyu.fi> <3342@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 08:04:06 GMT

In article <3342@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> dcwst8+@pitt.edu (David C Winters) writes:

>In article <TT.92Jul15084915@tarzan.jyu.fi> tt@tarzan.jyu.fi (Tapani Tarvainen) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul13.073249.28035@deeptht.armory.com> rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes:
>>
>>>In fact, I, like amnesty international and other such groups adhere to
>>>a rather strict interpretation of human rights. Any one who gets in
>>>the way of human rights, most especially the right to say ANYTHING
>>>should be taken out and shot.
>>
>>I feel compelled to point out that Amnesty International certainly
>>wouldn't support that last statement.  They (and I) think that
>>being shot somehow violates one's human rights.

>No, Amnesty Int'l wouldn't agree with it.  But, there is a condition
>here:  The person you are shooting, is s/he in the process of violating
>someone's rights in a violent, criminal manner?  Then, it becomes
>a moral, and legally defendable, form of defense.

>Does Amnesty Int'l support a person's rights to defence?

As far as I know, they do not.  Not that they oppose it either, but I
don't see a situation where it would fall within Amnesty's mandate.
I seem to remember a decision that it would not disqualify one
from being considered a prisoner of conscience, if other conditions
are met.  (Note that even "advocating violence" normally
disqualifies one from POC status; hence, e.g., Nelson Mandela
was not considered such.)

I don't know if it's ever been specifically addressed, but _I think_
that if some country chose to ban violent self-defense completely, 
AI would not concern itself with that.  If, say, it were directed to
a specific group in a country without effective police protection,
then maybe it could be considered an indirect violation of their
human rights, but as such the right to self-defence is not considered
a human right by AI.  But you better ask them directly if you
want to be sure.

Anyway, saying that someone "should be taken out and shot" doesn't
sound like self-defence to me, but death penalty, which AI opposes
without exceptions.

Nonetheless, I think Mr Walz and AI would agree on freedom of speech,
although they might disagree on the means suitable for defending it.
--
Tapani Tarvainen    (tarvaine@jyu.fi, tarvainen@finjyu.bitnet)
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: sean@ms.uky.edu (Sean Casey)
Subject: Re: putting lyrics to "Cop Killer" in .plan file
Organization: The Leaning Tower of Patterson Office @ The Univ. of KY
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 07:49:46 GMT

In article <BETSYS.92Jul29175625@ra.cs.umb.edu> betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz) writes:
:I still don't see why. What's unconstitutional about our policy of 
:setting an obsenity standard, for example? Our policy is that all
:finger info and public X-terminal screens should be of roughly PG-13
:offensiveness or less.

My first thought when I read this was: "I wonder how many of their
users are under 13?"

Sean
-- 
                  |``Wind, waves, etc. are breakdowns in the face of the
Sean Casey        | commitment to getting from here to there. But they are the
sean@s.ms.uky.edu | conditions for sailing -- not something to be gotten rid
U of KY, Lexington| of, but something to be danced with.''
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: LIBSCI@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: (none)
Originator: daemon@eff.org
Organization: EFF mail-news gateway
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:58:20 GMT


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Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: lfa1@cec1.wustl.edu (Lorrie Faith Ackerman)
Subject: holocaust revisionism and the net
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:58:51 GMT

I attended an AIPAC (a pro-Israel lobbying group) leadership
seminar this weekend and was quite dismayed to hear a speaker
refer to the Internet as a forum for propagating Holocaust
revisionist theories.  She also had a few choice words about
student newspaper editors who chose to print Bradley Smith's
ad.  Having been partially responsible for the decision to print
the ad at Washington University, I offered her my point of view
in the Q&A session.  She refused to hear my arguments and we
ran out of time before I could even begin to explain what the
Internet is (when she made the comment I heard mumblings in
the mostly computer-illiterate audience to the effect of:
what company runs this Internet thing?  How can we stop them).
Anyway, I thought I would share this little anecdote with
everyone.

Lorrie
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: colin@eecg.toronto.edu (Colin Plumb)
Subject: Re: holocaust revisionism and the net
Organization: University of Toronto
Distribution: usa
Date: 28 Jul 92 08:01:31 GMT

All I can say is that I've heard the b-cpu bunch.  And I've heard refutations
by Barry Shein and others.  And I know who *I* believe.

That is the joy of the net.  (Besides, b-cpu isn't even *on* the internet.)
-- 
	-Colin
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk