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From: MKERBEL@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Michael)
Subject: Re: Good [BAD] Movies-self-correction
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 15:34:59 EDT

 
In my ranting and raving about Oscar-winners of the past 20 years, I
inadvertently skipped over DANCES WITH WOLVES (1990) and called SILENCE OF
THE LAMBS the 1990 winner when it should have been designated as 1991.
Probably a Freudian skip.  DANCES WITH WOLVES, in my opinion, is one of
the most over-rated films in history.  It's another one of those films that
purports to be about a non-white culture, and to show the brutality of the
white man, while really being about a good white man.  Other examples:
CRY FREEDOM, which is supposedly about Biko and the plight of black South
Africans, but is really about the plight of the white reporter and his family.
COME SEE THE PARADISE, which is supposedly about the Japanese-Americans' plight
in the camps, but is really about Dennis Quaid's character.  From the moment
Kevin Costner's character rode heroically (and basically unscathed) through the
barrage -- and this was within the first few minutes -- the film proclaimed its
phoniness with great passion and pride.  The cinematography was beautiful
(this is true of many Best Picture Oscar winners), but the rest was a chore to
experience: Kevin Costner's acting, Mary McDonell as a Native American (!),
the music (John Barry ripping off his own score for OUT OF AFRICA, which was
a rip off of his scores for James Bond films if you listen closely), and the
continually patronizing attitude toward the Indians.  For Best Picture of 1990,
I would have chosen GOODFELLAS -- no contest.
(I will admit that one might reasonably argue that GOODFELLAS is sexist)
From: IS83086@UDLAPVMS.BITNET (CARLOS SEGOVIA)
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Subject: The Name of the Rose
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:55:00 GMT
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Hello world!

 I just like to read your comments,critics  of  the Umberto Eco's book-film
 The name of  the Rose.

                        Bye
                                Carlos
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:14:01 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Fame vs. the blonde singer film

In case no one untangled it (since my message arrived after Susan's, which
had the film's title and I thought it was a response to mine...)--the film
Rick Francis was mistaking for FAME was indeed Irish director Neil Jordan's
THE MIRACLE.  Jeff Clark
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From: rep3s@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rick E. Provine)
Subject: Re:      Parodies of Movies
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:44:32 GMT

Ernie Fossilius (sp?) made some wonderful short parodies of
major fims.  "Hardware Wars" is a classic example.  Cartoon
like voices dubbed over the live action is a nice effect.  He
uses this also in the lesser known "Closet Cases of the Nerd
Kind."  Very entertaining.  But my favorite might be "Pork Lips
Now," a parody of "Apocolypse Now."  The Martin Sheen character
is heading to Chinatown in a big white convertible through
suburbia.  Its beautiful.  Only fifteen minutes long, it FEELS
like the original.  Fun stuff.  Available on home video (or at
least it used to be).
--
Rick E. Provine
Media Librarian
University of Virginia
rep3s@virginia.edu
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:05:18 BST
From:         "(John Smyth)" <eeijsh@EEIUC.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      THE COMMITMENTS

The Commitments was made by Alan Parker and
is based on a book (of the same name) written
by Roddy Doyle. Most of the cast consist of
members of bands who had almost no acting
experience. All of the music/songs are
performed by the cast and the soundtrack
is available with full-length versions of the
songs performed in the movie by the cast.
Andrew Strong, who plays the lead vocalist
in the Commitments, was only sixteen when
he was cast for the movie.
                           The Commitments
(the book) is part of a trilogy which
cronicles the life of the Rabitte family -
Jimmy Rabbitte is the manager of the band.
The other two (subsequent) books are 'The Van'
and 'The Snapper'. A snapper is Dublin slang for
a kid. 'The Van' is about to be filmed by the
BBC and tells the tale of two guys in a
chip van during the European Football Finals
(Ireland got through to the Quarter-finals
and the whole country went ape-shit for 2
weeks).

THe Commitments is a welcome antidote to
Parkers' other hopeful-teenager epic, "FAME"

               John Smyth
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From: eeijsh@EEIUC.ERICSSON.SE ((John Smyth))
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Subject: UNFORGIVEN
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:47:00 GMT
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A Fistfull of SPOILERS
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>From JACKSOSM%VUCTRVAX.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU:
>The moral from "Unforgiven" is not that violence pays, but that we live
>in a violent world, caught between the shadows of good and evil,
>where the light ofjustice does not always illuminate our actions,
>and we are forced to muddle through using our own fallible judgement.
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>j-man
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The point I wanted to make about UNFORGIVEN was that the ending
was unrealistic within the context of the movie, not within a
historical context. If an attack on a prostitute prompts such
a violent response, surely the death of so many lawmen at the
hands of a bounty-hunter would provoke a similar response.
    For a movie that is so pointedly realistic and unglamourous
most of the time, the last five minutes contrast sharply and
is more like the climax to "For a Few Dollars More".

I admit that the racism angle didn't occur to me at all
while I watched the movie.

                      John
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:31:45 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject: Re: Danny Elfman

Alex E,
Nice of you to mention Elfman's band Oingo Boingo in more detail.  They *have*
gotten more musically sophisticated, though they've always had a certain level
of it.  Elfman has always composed all their music; what role guitarist Steve
Bartek (who orchestrates E's film music) plays in the process I'm not sure.
About the band's not having had any national prominence:  Until their next-
to-last album of a few years back--"Boi-ngo"--I had not seen even *one* review
in a major audio publication; with that album, there were suddenly two (in
"Audio" and "Stereo Review").  But since then... none once again.

Some people just don't know what they're missin'....  Jeff Clark
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 07:47:16 CDT
From:         C444307@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Roger and I

>_Roger and Me_ played on our local PBS station this Monday evening.  After
>that was a new short film from the director called _Food or Meat_.  This
>was a piece that went back to Flint and revisted with several of the
>characters, err.. people that we met in the first film.  The police
>chief who had to evict people on Christmas Eve, the woman who was raising
>rabbits for "food or meat", the lonely tourist director for Flint, and
>others.
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>You may remember the brutal scene from the first movie as the rabbit farmer
>clubbed a rabbit and skinned it on the film.  This film has at least as
>gory a scene involving a rabbit and boa constrictor.
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>Politics aside, I liked the documentary.  I thought it used humor as its
>venom in an unusual way, I thought it very atypical for a documentary, and
>appreciated its style.
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>2cents
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>-scott
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Scott,

I'm a big fan of the movie also (I've seen it four or five times).
I too was watching it the other night on PBS;  however, I didn't
watch the whole thing and therefore missed the Pets or Meat piece.
Please give me a spoiler telling me some info on those folks,
I'ld be interested.

Thanks,

Joe Daus   U of MO-Columbia
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 14:03:56 -0500
From:         JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Merchant-Ivory films

Subj:   RE: Merchant-Ivory films

>The whole point of the 60 Minutes interview was to say that they make
>period pieces on shoestring budgets, and yet these films are boxoffice smashes.
>They made "A Room With A View" (one of my personal favorite movies) on
>about $3 million and they made a fortune (I missed that figure--$80 million?).
>I think it was said that "HOward's End" has grossed at least $60 million,
>and they made it for $8 million.  It would seem that their films are not
>doing "marginally at best," in fact, quite the oppostie, and 60 Min was
>saying that these films obviously fill a need in the Average Movie goer,
>because although it would seem that these should be art house movies,
>they show at matinees at Multiplexes.

Karen, since I missed the early part of the interview, I didn't hear
these box office figures which I find incredibly high.  Are these
domestic (U.S. only) figures, or worldwide?  I also did not realize they
could make a film like "Howard's End" for the ridiculously low price of
$ 8 million.  I imagine that film would cost between $30 - 40 million
if made in the states.  Nevertheless, I still believe these films are
marginal in the economic sense of not generating huge profits (with the
possible exception of "A Room With a View" and "Howard's End").  Of all
the films they have made over the years, I wonder if any others have
even remotely approached the success of these two films.  There's no
question that they are released in smaller markets which makes it more
difficult to reach a mass audience.   I am grateful that
they continue to make these kinds of films which, regardless of their
profit-making potential, remain high on my list of reasons why I enjoy
going to the movies.

j-man

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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:40:39 CST
From:         "Dick Clawson, S.J." <CLAWSON@LOYNOVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Parodies of Movies
              2 Oct 1992 09:44:35 -0400 from <MDESCHUYTENE@SBCCMAIL>

Other funny/bizarre parodies...
    WHATS UP TIGER LILY?  (Woody's first, a Japanese James Bond with odd
                            dubbing and plenty o' Loving Spoonful)
    HOLLYWOOD SHUFFLE     (Robert Townsend's 1st, made on a shoestring
                           budget, a scathing look at black-sploitation in
                           Hollywood)
    KENTUCKY FRIED MOVIE  (Beyond description, but it makes fun of everything)

  Thats all for now,
   RDC,SJ
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From: ziauddin@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Tasneem Ziauddin)
Subject: Re: Dead Ringers
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:07:24 GMT

C444307@MIZZOU1.BITNET writes:

>Gayle,

>I had no idea it was based on a true story.
>Thanks for the info.

>Joe Daus   U of MO-Columbia
>C444307@MIZZOU1.bitnet

I guess I missed an earlier post.  Dead Ringers is the movie about the twin
doctors played by Jeremy Irons, right?  Was this really based on a true
story?  

If the answer has already been posted, could someone email it to me?

Thanks.
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 10:59:00 CDT
From:         Becky Albitz 5-5931 <CADALBTS@UIAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Return of Martin Guerre

Help!  Does anyone know where our library might be able to obtain a
video copy of "The Return of Martin Guerre!"  Our copy has "disappeared"
(dare I say stolen) and apparently the video is now out of print!
Thanks in advance.

Becky Albitz
University of Iowa Libraries
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:17:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Good [BAD] Movies

I hated TERMS OF ENDEARMENT so much that in the middle of it I
volunteered to go out and check on the babysitter and didn't go back
in - I found it to be one of the most contrived, insincere, poorly
paced films I'd ever seen up to that point - Barring John Lithgow I
thought all the acting was uniformly bad, including Jack Nicholson -
Shirly MaClain never, ever, ever, should be allowed within 100 yards
of a movie camera (or a wordprocessor)
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 11:29:00 EST
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Subject:      Shirley MacLaine

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     29-Sep-1992 11:26am DST
                                        From:     Ellen L. Gfroehrer
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Subject: Shirley MacLaine

Peter:

I also HATED _Terms of Endearment_, however in Shirley's defense, she turned in
wonderful performances in _Some Came Running_, _The Apartment_, and _Sweet
Charity_ (not bad for a musical).  And those are just three I could think of
off the top of my head.  Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater!

Ellen
From: larsg@benoni.nbr.no (Lars Gaustad)
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Subject: Lexichrome
Date: 29 Sep 92 06:37:36 GMT
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could anybody please provide mw with information on Lexichrome, the
company or the technique, the newborn baby of Technicolor. Reply by
e-mail, please.
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 10:38:00 CDT
From:         Ray Hamel <RHAMEL@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: _Empire Quiz_...

My guess would be Robert Zemeckis.  He had the three BACK TO THE FUTURE
movies between 1985 and 1990 as well as WHO FRAMED ROGER RABBIT.

Ray Hamel
University of Wisconsin
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:22:47 EST
From:         Milton Johnson <LIBMILT@CML.INDSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: UNFORGIVEN

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    I think the alcohol had a great deal to do with it.  It was in
his drunken stupor that he was able to do the kind of "wicked" things
he was guilty of in the past, IMHO.


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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 10:19:05 -0500
From:         huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Movie music?

>... At the time of BATMAN, [Danny Elfman's] breakthrough major-film score,
> there were scurrilous rumors that themes or parts of it were composed
> by others.  This kind of thing has ceased since then, because of a
> consistent track record.

Duplication as flattery?  Anyone hear the similarities in the fight
sequence in Gerard Depardieu's _Cyrano_ and the _Batman_ score.  Clearly
some of the film industry's composers are enamored of Elfman's ability
to duplicate or be "inspired" by that piece.

Where *does* he get those wonderful toys.

--
-scott
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 08:20:00 EST
From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      _Innocent Blood_

I saw _Innocent Blood_ this weekend and really enjoyed it.  John Landis
has an interesting twist on the vampire legend (although the only time
the v-word is used is in the "fictional" disclaimer at the end of the
credits).  His vampires appear in mirrors and tend to be messy feeders.
No crosses, and one vampire even hides out in a church.  No stakes
through the heart, either.  Killing these vampires takes a bullet to
the brain or severing the spinal column.  Oh, the traditional sunrise
serves, too.

This is not one for the faint of heart, but if you want to see Don
Rickles get the treatment you would like to see him really get... 8-)
The special effects are really good, as are the gymnastic talents of
the stunt doubles.  It's a John Landis film, and the usual John Landis
touches are there:  Lots of film clips paying tribute to the past, lots
of cameos by people associated with horror movies (the final credits
scroll by too fast, I'm looking forward to getting the video just so
I can pause the tape and have a chance to catch all the names), and
some amazing stunt driving.  Lots of times a car will suddenly swerve
across six lanes of highway, scattering cars like duckpins, but without
any collisions.  This happens so many times in this movie that it is
a bit of a let-down when a fender does finally get crunched.

The ending is a bit hokey, and there is at least one "why the heck
didn't she tell him that?".  And yeah, the lead Mafia guy does grossly
overact, but this is the kind of movie where scenery chewing is
called for.  The movie is set in Pittsburgh, but I don't know the
town well enough to tell where natives get to enjoy the local scenery
or laugh at the fact that the film was really shot in Houston.

Oh yeah, for those who wish to avoid such things, there is full frontal
female nudity and one extended sex scene.  Did you know that vampire's
eyes also function as mood rings?

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 09:04:40 -0400
From:         V064F57L@UBVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: GOOD [BAD] MOVIES

How about _Thelma and Louise_.  Without "the message" it would have gone the
way of _Howard the Duck_.  It made me wish I had an old fashioned LED watch
so I could figure out when it would be over.
Dan
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:29:36 -0400
From:         Ellen.Edgerton@SUADMIN.BITNET
Subject:      Nihilism & More!

>>Nice thriller, but no DEAD AGAIN.  Is it belaboring the obvious to
say that Kenneth Branagh is the future of film?

Gee, and here I thought I was the only one who thought Branagh was
talented.  But I thought DEAD AGAIN was just an entertaining
homage/trifle, nothing more, nothing less.

The buzz on his next movie is pretty good, though.  I hear it was a
big hit at the Telluride Film Festival a couple weeks ago...
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 10:31:23 -0400
From:         Ellen.Edgerton@SUADMIN.BITNET
Subject:      Toys

Anyone hear anything about this Barry Levinson/Robin Williams
movie?

I heard that Levinson held an advance screening and the reaction
was not particularly good.
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:37:37 EDT
From:         Rob Rosenthal <ST801736@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: GOOD [BAD] MOVIES

  Oh boy, a chance to rank on movies I don't like!  I think the number one spot
for most disappointing would be _The Doctor_, with William Hurt, which is the
first and only movie I ever walked out on.  When I caught myself hoping for
daylight scenes so I could read a book I had in my coat, I knew it was time to
go.

                                         Rob
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:11:00 EDT
From:         Bill Rubin <rubinm@WATSON.IBM.COM>
Subject:      Re: MVS FTP exits.

Bill Harvey <HARVEY@WUVMD.BITNET> writes:

> On Fri, 2 Oct 1992 08:11:55 EDT, Richard Ryniker said:
> >The exits are documented in the Version 2 Release 2.1 Planning and
> >Customization manual, SC31-6085-02.
>
> Great!!  That description sounds like that's exactly what we need (at least
> for FTP).  When'll it be available for VM?   :-)
>
> Thanks
> Bill "I want more" Harvey

We expect that these exits will be available in the next release of VM
TCP/IP.

Bill Rubin
IBM TJ Watson Research
From: AG129@PHOENIX.CAMBRIDGE.AC.UK (A Grant)
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Subject: Re: selectex parameters
Date: 2 Oct 92 11:43:53 GMT
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Michael Stein writes:
> Eeeek!  Overhead**2.  ECBLISTS are *NOT* a goodness.

Really? The "platform" uses all sorts of PC/SRB/IRB stuff to do IUCV -
scanning a list of ECBs can't be a high overhead. We use 40 in our X.25
GATE task and it's not a bottleneck. If you use "Test all ECBs before WAIT"
(or even "test the next n ECBs before WAIT") and "Compare-and-swap POST",
the more you are overloaded, the less you use WAIT and POST SVCs at all.
What alternative are you suggesting?

> Since "sockets" seem to be some sort of standard (and as such
> can't be replaced), it'd be nice to see a select without more
> than one ECB in it's wait...

select _does_ normally have only one ECB in its wait, if you are only using
TCP/IP sockets, and have no ECBs of your own. The multiple ECBs come from
AF_IUCV sockets, which are a "platform" thing and aren't managed by TCP/IP,
and from the optional user ECB.

While we're on the subject, does anyone else do "real stuff" under IUCV
IRBs? E.g. issuing socket calls?
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 08:51:02 -0500
From:         David Lippke <lippke@UTDALLAS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: selectex parameters
              Oct 1, 92 5:37 pm

> Eeeek!  Overhead**2.  ECBLISTS are *NOT* a goodness.

Hmmm.. well, I'm not sure I agree.  Actual benchmarks on CMS show the ECB
  mechanism to be amazingly efficient.  Besides, if you have a complex system
  with events which can't be coalesced, it's really not an issue -- *somehow*
  you've got to have a way to wait on all those guys and it's mighty useful
  to have a select() extension which allows this.
But I'm easy.  I can live with two calls: selectex() and selectexx().  ;-)

/David
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