HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg)
Subject: Re: Languages in soc.culture.nordic
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:57:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.140530.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> tostbye@uwovax.uwo.ca writes:

>In article <hberg.219@polisci.umn.edu>, hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg) writes:
>> In article <nkjrm.27@taxus.uib.no> nkjrm@taxus.uib.no (Rolf Manne) writes:
>> 
>> 
>>>A: Then Sigjold hanes ygram pullerutt.
>>>B: Ygram?
>>>A: Ygram fjaesam pulle rutt!!
>> 
>> Pulle rutt!!!! Ha,ha,ha.

>Pulle mignan ruttum!!

Hey, watch your language, fella!!!!  There are ladies on this wire too, you 
know!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg)
Subject: Re: Keskustelua suomalaisten asemasta Ruotsissa 
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:34:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.084221.25198@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:



>Mielest{ni, tosin vain omasta mielest{ni,Ruotsin vertaus Nazi-Saksaan ei ole 
>kaukaa haettu. Ruotsissa on vain yksi kieli nostettu {idinkielen asemaan
>muiden yl{puolelle -ik{{nkuin kaikkien muiden yl{puolella olevaksi
>"arjalaiseksi" hienoksi kieleksi. Kaikki muut kielet ovat alempia, niit{
>kutsutaan kotikieliksi. Saksassa harjoitettiin samantyyppist{ politiikka
>30-luvulla. Suomella on asiassa puhtaat paperit, Ruotsilla ei. 
>Siksik| ruotsalaiset reagoivat henkil|kohtaisilla loukkauksilla.
>Ehk{ syyn{ on se, ett{ he haluavat n{hd{ ongelmat vain muualla, ei
>liian l{hell{, omassa pes{ss{.

>Terveisin,

>Jarmo

A translation for you slobs who haven't bothered to learn Finnish:

"In my opinion, my personal opinion to be sure, the comparison of Sweden to 
Nazi Germany is not far fetched.  In Sweden only one language is elevated 
above all others to the status of mother-tongue - as if it were a superior 
"Arian" language.  All other languages are inferior; they are called home 
languages.  In Germany, the same kind of policies were pursued during the 
30s.  Finland's conscience is clear in this respect; Sweden's isn't.  That's 
why the Swedes reacted with personal insults.  Perhaps the reason is that 
they want to see the flaws in others, but not close to home, in their own 
nest."

Oh, well.....

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg)
Subject: Re: Some history about AAland
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:00:16 GMT

>osstlm@eua.ericsson.se writes:

>Channel Islands are part of UK, 

Are you sure?  They have a very special status, as I recall, something like 
being vassal lands under the English crown.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg)
Subject: Re: Languages in soc.culture.nordic
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:49:26 GMT

In article <nkjrm.27@taxus.uib.no> nkjrm@taxus.uib.no (Rolf Manne) writes:


>A: Then Sigjold hanes ygram pullerutt.
>B: Ygram?
>A: Ygram fjaesam pulle rutt!!

Pulle rutt!!!! Ha,ha,ha.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Finnish? (WAS: Pakko
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
	<TORKEL.92Nov20115405@isis.sics.se>
	<1992Nov21.215102.26009@nntp.hut.fi>
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 23:32:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.215102.26009@nntp.hut.fi> jkp@cs.HUT.FI
 (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:

   >Sorry, not true.  It does concern the people who live on either side
   >of the border, ie. both Finnish and Swedish citizens.  It's an area
   >with a common culture which just happens to be divided by the state
   >border.

  Det framg}r inte p} vilket s{tt du menar att finnnar ber|rs av
tornedalsfinskans st{llning i Sverige.
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Alcoholism in Scandinavia.....
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:37:06 GMT
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

In article <1992Nov16.174012.28632@eua.ericsson.se>, euafri@eua (Fredrik Vstman) writes:
>In a true democracy, you shouldn't ban it even if a vast majority
>accepts it. There are such things as human rights and protection of
>individuals (often referred to as minorities).

Nope, that's called freedom you're talking about, not democracy.
Democracy is where two wolves and one sheep vote what to have for
dinner - it might not be a good system for the sheep.  But if the
system acknowledges things like a right to life, it values freedom of
the individual and even the sheep might be able to live in it.

The trouble with rights is that people don't agree on what they are,
how absolute they are and which rights take preference in conflict.
For example, you think that alcohol prohibition is a law which should
not be passed by a vote - still, countries like Finland and USA have
had it.  The Nordic countries still have prohibition, though not on
alcohol - and I think about it the same way you think about the
alcohol prohibition, it is an unacceptable law because it is
anti-freedom and doesn't recognize the individual's rights.

//Jyrki
Xref: sparky soc.culture.nordic:6861 rec.music.folk:7986 alt.exotic-music:559 rec.folk-dancing:2017 rec.skiing:7732
From: walver@kielo.uta.fi (Ville V. Walveranta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Pakkoruotsi Suomen kouluissa
Date: 24 Nov 92 05:25:39 GMT
	<1992Nov16.203249.22755@cs.hut.fi>
Reply-To: walver@uta.fi (Ville Walveranta)
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland
In-reply-to: ovr@lk-hp-4.hut.fi's message of 16 Nov 92 20:32:49 GMT

ovr@lk-hp-4.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen) writes in soc.culture.nordic:
> I wonder what the elementary school would be like if the authorities
> only listened to the "customers", ie. children ages 6-16.

        If (some of) the childred would be listened totally, there might
        be no school whatsoever. However, it would be a good idea to listen
        to the school children at least a bit more than at the moment
        (they have very little/no say at all in the way the school is
        adminstrated today).

        -- Willy
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From: cczjtw@vax.nott.ac.uk (John Whitehorn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Pathfinder soundtrack
Date: 16 Nov 92 11:41:07 GMT
Reply-To: cczjtw@vax.nott.ac.uk (John Whitehorn)
Organization: University of Nottingham, UK

All the messages about the film "Pathfinder", reminded me to ask if
anyone out there known who performs the soundtrack, I think the 
singing/chanting is call JOIKING, spelling could be very different. 
I would like, if possible to get an record/tape/cd of this type of
music. If anyone knows of anything released in the UK? My wife did
catch something on BBC Radio 4, Womans Hour, about a Finnish (we think) 
group who perform JOIKS.

	John Whitehorn
From: chad@ithil.enet.dec.com (Chad Leigh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: President Clinton!
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:47:25 GMT
Reply-To: chad@ithil.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Munich Germany


--
In article <LHE.92Nov9204435@yang.sics.se>, lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik Eriksson) writes:

>since it was done outside the US it was not illegal according to US
>law, since US law does not apply outside the US!

>--
>Lars-Henrik Eriksson                            Internet: lhe@sics.se
>Swedish Institute of Computer Science           Phone (intn'l): +46 8 752 15 09
>Box 1263                                        Telefon (nat'l): 08 - 752 15 09
>S-164 28  KISTA, SWEDEN                         Fax: +46 8 751 72 30


Not exactly true.  Airline flights serving US cities must follow
US law, even at the foreign departure airport.

-----------------------------------------------
Chad Leigh
Digital Equipment GmbH
Munich, Germany
Originally from Pepperell, MA, USA
-----------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: osstlm@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Lundstrom)
Subject: Re: Some history about AAland
Reply-To: osstlm@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:25:14 GMT

In article 19669@cs.hut.fi, f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{) writes:
> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
> 
> >En annan sak {r vad skall h{nda n{r eller om  Finland blir ett medlem
> >i Europeiska Gemenskapen. EG troligen skall inte acceptera ett historisk
> >relik som ]land som s}dan {r, med sina lagar som direkt diskriminerar
> >andra {n svensktalande.
> 
> If I remember right it's very difficult to become a permanent resident
> in the Channel Islands as well. I don't think the status of Aaland is

The Channel Islands are *not* members of the EEC !


/Tomas



Tomas Lundstrom
Objective Systems SF AB
box 1128
S-164 22 Kista
SWEDEN

email: tomas@os.se
phone: +46 8 703 45 92
fax: +46 8 750 80 56

DISCLAIMER: Ellemtel Utvecklings AB, where I work as a consultant
	    right now, has nothing to do with this posting, I'm
	    just posting from their site.

DISCLAIMER: The stated opinions are my own. If a posting reflects
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	    this is explicitly stated.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: t88swa@tdb.uu.se (Sven Wallman)
Subject: Re: Tasa-arvopuheet ovat osoittautuneet korulauseiksi
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:21:13 GMT

Kimmo Saarinen (kissa@cortex.sai.vtt.fi) wrote:
: Yes, go ahead and do it.
: 
: At the moment when I see here a vast amount of those crossposted
: answers I'll start to send you private email, one in every hour
: 24 hours per day, seven days per week. After one week I'll change
: the schedule : you'll get two personal messages per hour. After
: two weeks I double it again.
: 
: Do you really want it ? The only difference is that by doing so
: that you are threatening to do you also force this audience to 
: suffer from the increasing noise in this newsgroup. I'll just
: overload your own mailbox ...

Are you threatening to mailbomb a person because he says he are going
to crosspost Jarmo's articles? I hope that you are joking.
--
Sven Wallman, S:t Larsg. 5, 753 11 Uppsala, Sweden, +46 1812 9237
"I think, therefore I'm right."-Hugo Rune

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: Pakkoruotsi Suomen kouluissa
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:25:59 GMT

Ville V. Walveranta (walver@kielo.uta.fi) wrote:
: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes in soc.culture.nordic:
: 
: > Here we go again. To start with if we would think this way most Finns
: > would not need to learn *any* languages, because they are not salesmen,
: > neither do the often travel, with the exception to Sweden or Spain.
: 
:         Wrong! Finnish is a very small language group as you know - much
:         smaller than the Scandinavian languages. Should Finns not study
:         any foreign languages a total isolation would follow :-) Bad
:         thing! Since studying any foreign language always takes plenty
:         of effort it might be a good idea to concentrate on the
:         languages that are spoken as widely as possible (English,
:         French, German, Russian...) unless a student wishes otherwise.
:         Of course, smaller languages spoken nearby (Swedish, for
:         instance) would have a second priority and the options would be
:         presented to the students accordingly.

Hmmm, finnish is the second most spoken language in Nordic countries btw.

Terveisin,
Jarmo Ryyti
From: rnarayan@uncc.edu (Ramanathan Narayanan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: looking for pen-firends
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:41:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: unccsun.By4MDv.3n3
Reply-To: rnarayan@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte

hi there

looking for pen friends 
any body would like to corresponds

thanks

ram
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik )
Subject: Re: Pakkoruotsi Suomen kouluissa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:49:43 GMT
Organization: Apple
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic

In article <1992Nov19.072559.3214@jyu.fi>, ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
wrote:
> Hmmm, finnish is the second most spoken language in Nordic countries btw.

Yes, it's the second most spoken language, however Swedish is the 
de facto "Lingua Franca" in Nordic countries, not Finnish. Note also
that Finns get excellent education in Swedish in schools so they will gain
a 
lot concerning Nordic cooperation.

Kent
-------------------
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DISCLAIMER: Private activities on the Net.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: servant@cheshire.oxy.edu (Jedidiah Jon Palosaari)
Subject: Restraunts
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Distribution: la
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:27:09 GMT

 Hi, I'm trying to find any Finnish or Nordic restuarnts in the L.A.
area.  Can anyone reply concerning this?  Thanks
From: bjorn@ludd.luth.se (Bjorn Fahller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Pakkoruotsi Suomen kouluissa
Date: 19 Nov 92 10:18:06 GMT
Organization: Lule} Tekniska H|gskolas Datorf|rening - Ludd

In <1992Nov19.072559.3214@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:

>Hmmm, finnish is the second most spoken language in Nordic countries btw.

Probably very true. Unless, of course, one takes into concideration the
similarities between Swedish, Danish and Norwegian. They're basically the
same language, just a bit different pronounciation and spelling. Yes, some
words are different too, but not many. You know this well, of course. To me
it doesn't matter of you speak finnish, greek or chinese. If you speak
Norwegian or Danish (i might have a difficulty with danish) it's different.

   _
/Bjorn.
-- 
Bjorn Fahller     Phone:              |The opinions above are not necessarily
Trollnasvagen 3A  Intl:+46 920 226870 |those of... Hey! Wait a minute. Do you
S-951 61 Lulea    Natl:0920-22 68 70  |seriously expect Me, a student, to carry
Sweden            << space for rent >>|the official voice of the University?
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: The Finns of Sweden
Date: 20 Nov 92 07:21:56 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Lekskola, G|teborg, G|taland

In article <1992Nov19.153649.11960@ericsson.se> etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:
> This is a very good example. As time goes by, these things are
> bound to happen. Just look at what happened to the Finns, Swedes and 
> Yugoslavs in Minnesota... exactly the same thing and, as you correctly
> pointed out, it can by no means be called genocide.

  The only people who call it genocide are the VAM/WAR, the Identity Church, 
the KKK, the NOI and Jarmo Ryyti.

> ((\\  //| Staffan Axelsson            

-bertil-
--
"Ack! Phht!" - Bill the Prez
From: chad@ithil.enet.dec.com (Chad Leigh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Democracy
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:42:47 GMT
Reply-To: chad@ithil.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Munich Germany


--
Actually, the Greek notion from the classical
Greek democracies was one where the common good
of the society was more important than the individual 
and each individual was expected to play an active 
role in this.  There was nothing about simply
majority rule.

-----------------------------------------------
Chad Leigh
Digital Equipment GmbH
Munich, Germany
Originally from Pepperell, MA, USA
-----------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: euaaen@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall)
Subject: Re: Democracy (was: Alcoholism in Scandinavia.....)
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:42:13 GMT

andersa@Riga.DoCS.UU.SE (Anders Andersson) writes:

>"Some people use the word 'democratic' as if it meant 'cute'."
>	/quoting a friend of mine

"Oooh, look at that kitten - isn't it democratic?" :)

(sorry, couldn't resist...)

-- 
Anders Engwall				Email: Anders.Engwall@eua.ericsson.se
ELLEMTEL Utvecklings AB			Voice: +46 8 727 3893
lvsj, Sweden				Fax: +46 8 727 42 20
	"Frnsett att det inte fungerar, hur tycker ni att det verkar?"
From: chad@ithil.enet.dec.com (Chad Leigh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Moms on top of import duty
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:55:59 GMT
Reply-To: chad@ithil.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Munich Germany


--
>In article <BxyHvL.CII@news.chalmers.se>, d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil >Jonell) writes:
>In article <Bxurx0.Ks6@news.chalmers.se> d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil >Jonell) writes:
>>  My recollection is that you don't have to pay moms (or import duty) if
>>you have used the item during your stay abroad?

>  Imagine my culture chock when I went to the US and saw the customs form that
>US citizens have to fill in after travelling abroad.

>  It demanded that they listed every single bloody item they had bought
>outside the US and the exact value of each, and said that the customs would
>then deduct the free amount ($100 I think) and tell them how much they have to
>pay!

>  If Swedish customs started behaving in that way there would be a 
>revolution.

>-bertil-
>--
>"Ack! Phht!" - Bill the Prez

It is not that bad.  First, the limit is $400 
and you don't write the list most of the time unless
you have lots of stuff to declare.  Entering the US
though is more strict (customs wise).  No simple red doors
or green doors to walk through (though the red and green
concept is there).


-----------------------------------------------
Chad Leigh
Digital Equipment GmbH
Munich, Germany
Originally from Pepperell, MA, USA
-----------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik )
Subject: Re: J*rmo Ryyti the economics professor (was Swedish crown is floating)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 06:18:27 GMT
Organization: Apple
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic

In article <1992Nov21.215249.3100@kth.se>, tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
(Tomas Eriksson) wrote:
> In article <1992Nov20.060435.14322@jyu.fi>, ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
> >You know in a short run it had been good for Finland if Sweden had not
> >devaluated because Finland is exporting at this moment more than ever in her
> >history
 
> I'm sure the 15%? 20%? 25%? unemployed in Finland agree with you! :-(

Speaking about economics and Finland, my mother told me something
strange about a possible general work blockage by workers in Finland.
Could someone please let us know what is going on over there, thx?


Kent
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DISCLAIMER: Private activities on the Net.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: nkjrm@taxus.uib.no (Rolf Manne)
Subject: Re: Swedofobia in Jarmo Ryyti
Organization: University of Bergen
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:26:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.072721.20426@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:

>Torkel Franzen (torkel@sics.se) wrote:
>: In article <nkjrm.20@taxus.uib.no> nkjrm@taxus.uib.no (Rolf Manne) writes:
>: 
>:    >It is a vegetable called "kaalrot" in the Scandinavian languages.
>: 
>:   Swede = rutabaga ("rotabagge") = "the Swedish or yellow
>: turnip, Brassica Napobrassica".

>Is that all you can produce to this network, I am writing quite historical
>facts and I am getting peronal insultants where people even who do not know
>me pretend knowing me, quite interesting shamanism. No one cannot write
>anything about the history of the Finns in Northern Sweden and about the
>legislation over there. When I wrote about it I just got personal insults.
>Is this level where we are?
>Regards,
>jarmo

I am sorry, Jarmo. I do not wish to take part in the flame war you and
others are having on whether Swedes are nazis or not or whether you said so
or not. I use the net for collection and dissemination of knowledge and, to 
some extent, for entertainment. I don't know much about the Finns in 
Northern Sweden nor about current Swedish legislation. On the other 
hand, like Torkel Franzen I happened to know the other meaning of the English
word "Swede" which was asked for under this silly subject heading. At least 
the way my system is set up, answers are normally put under the same subject 
heading as the questions. Agree?

Sincerely,

Rolf Manne
Department of Chemistry, University of Bergen
e-mail Rolf.Manne@uib.no
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Swedish crown is floating
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:04:35 GMT

Well, it happened as I told, swedish crown is devaluated, by letting
it "float" on international currency markets.
Two months ago I adviced fellows on the net to sell their crowns and
I was responded by a Swede for instance that I am "an Anti-Swedish"
and hate Sweden. The was the logics. Now he is poorer.
I also wrote that the next "victim" will be norwegian crown and I repeat,
sell your norwegian crowns as soon as possible. The sooner the better.

You know these national economies are so bound and have so many ties that
when Finland devaluates , lets the her currency to float, Sweden has
to follow. Both countries have very similar structure of the production
and competing on the same markets. Bank of Sweden stubbornly did not believe
this and "burned" milliards of crowns for supporting crown, all in vain.

You know in a short run it had been good for Finland if Sweden had not
devaluated because Finland is exporting at this moment more than ever in her
history, on a long run Sweden's devaluation is good if it makes Swedish
economy stronger because Sweden buys a lot from Finland. But the Swedes
forget often that Finland is one of the biggest trading partners of Sweden.
(My advice: learn Finnish, it is easier to sell to Finland in Finnish.)

Well, a Swede cannot take edvices from a Finn, but when Sweden is poor enough
they humble.

Sell your norwegian crowns, be not so fool as the swedes.

Regards,
Jarmo Ryyti
En Finne igen
From: andersa@Riga.DoCS.UU.SE (Anders Andersson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Democracy (was: Alcoholism in Scandinavia.....)
Date: 17 Nov 1992 20:25:05 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University, Sweden
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: riga.docs.uu.se

In article <1992Nov16.174012.28632@eua.ericsson.se>, euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman) writes:
> In a true democracy, you shouldn't ban it even if a vast majority
> accepts it. There are such things as human rights and protection of
> individuals (often referred to as minorities).

In a true democracy, you do whatever the majority decides you
can do.  Democracy and freedom of the individual often go hand
in hand, but they are definitely not the same thing.

In this respect, I think Sweden is pretty democratic.  May I
suggest that you don't try to twist the interpretation of the
word 'democratic' into whatever fits your perception of an
ideal society?  It means 'ruled by (the) people' and does not
imply anything about human rights and protection of individuals
or minorities, other than at the whim of the majority.

"Some people use the word 'democratic' as if it meant 'cute'."
	/quoting a friend of mine

Nice and democratic weather today, isn't it? ;-)
--
Anders Andersson, Dept. of Computer Systems, Uppsala University
Paper Mail: Box 325, S-751 05 UPPSALA, Sweden
Phone: +46 18 183170   EMail: andersa@DoCS.UU.SE
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic