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From: hayes@anaconda.cis.ohio-state.edu (Patrick Hayes)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Deaf Culture
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:00:48 GMT
Reply-To: hayes@anaconda.cis.ohio-state.edu (Patrick Hayes)
Organization: Ohio State Computer Science
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference

Index Number: 21202

In article <21047@handicap.news> Wayne.Silsbee@p1.f222.n105.z1.fidonet.org
(Wayne Silsbee) writes:

   Okay. I'll accept this analysis. It *looks* unstructured. From my
   original argument, this changes nothing. It still *causes* the
   shortening and "de-structuralizing" of English when English is
   signed.

Uh, well at least _signed_ English. But this grammatical shift is a
function of the modality and I don't know how you're going to prevent
a grammatical shift in an MCE - maybe one of those dog collars with
with the radio controlled electric shocker. You can poke the student
every time he/she lets one of those insidious spatial grammatical
constructs sneak into his/her signed English :)

Now, when talking about _written_ English: I interviewed a woman who
taught deaf high school students last November for a paper I was
writing for a class. She switched from using Signed English to ASL in
class a few years ago. She's now keeping the instruction in English
entirely written (as opposed to using MCE) and said that she's getting
much better results. She said that by not enforcing an English syntax
in signing, the students are more creative, and when she says "OK,
that's a good idea. Now how would you write it on the blackboard?" the
students view more like a game and less like drudgery.

And for a brief plug on my idea of how to English to deaf students -
give them Internet access. It's the only place I can think of where
they can experience real-time social interaction in English and be
able to receive and transmit the full signal, and with no disadvantage
compared to the hearing. My guess is that it would be a big help for
spelling, grammar, and vocabulary.

Just an idea.

---PCH
From: Steve.Matzura@f203.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Matzura)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Restaurant Etiquette
Date: 11 Apr 92 12:43:54 GMT
Reply-To: Steve.Matzura@f203.n2603.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2603/203 - The Shop Mail Only, Flushing NY

Index Number: 20979

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 >>David, of late, I've found myself getting blatantly brave when
 >>going out to eat, either at a restaurant or for a special occasion.
 >> Wanna know how??  I ask upon ordering that the food be cut!
 > Paul,
 > avo for you.  that's not something I would want to do all the time
 > either, but there are certainly times when it really helps.

One of those times is >>>DEFINITELY<<< when I've got good clothes
on--I hate spotting ties and white shirts with drippy splattery
things, and I develop a hole in my lip at the darndest times when
drinking coffee, and boy does that stuff stain!

Steve Matzura

Via: FrontDoor 2.02

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From: Bill.Reif@f12.n233.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Reif)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Blindness classic
Date: 11 Apr 92 12:52:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: handicap.20985
Reply-To: Bill.Reif@f12.n233.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:233/12 - The Temples of Syri, Springfield IL

Index Number: 20985

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

     In a message of 3-19-92, John Sanfilippo of the Event Horizon writes:

JS> I'd be interested in compiling a list of the ten most
JS> informative, most wanted, most necessary, etc., etc., books or
JS> magazines or articles or essays which deal with blindness.
JS>
JS> If you had to pick ten books, or even just one book about or by
JS> blindness or blind people, what would you suggest is a "must
JS> read" for anyone interested in the subject? For instance, I
JS> might choose Dialogue Magazine and a book called "The Making of Blind
Men"  (don't know the author, <blush>).

     For a comprehensive understanding of the historical issues
affecting the blind, (as opposed to some "expert"'s writings or
an autobiography, the "must-read" is a book entitled "Walking Alone and
Marching Together", written by Dr. Floyd Matson.  This book chronicles
the 50-year history of the organized blindness movement in this country
from its beginnings in 1941, through its successes and failures,
(including a detailed description of the "civil war" from both
perspectives) to a description of our status today.  This book is unique
in that it is the first comprehensive research chronicling our history
from the blinds' point of view, and therefore is the first book which
recognizes our role in meeting the challenges that face us and shaping
public attitudes about blindness.  This book, published in 1991, is
available in print in many libraries throughout the country, and may also
be available on cassette through NLS.  Both the print and cassette
versions are available for purchase at a cost of $33 through the National
Federation of the Blind's National Center for the blind, 1800 Johnston
St, Baltimore, Md 21230.  Although this is written as a refference book,
I know several people who have read it cover-to-cover and were very
impressed with it.  Several prominent bline people of the period are
quoted, demonstrating the degree to which the organized blind have
paralelled the Civil Rights movement.
___
 X BABBLE v1.0 X The NFB is changing what it means to be blind.

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From: Laurel.Gealt@f201.n273.z1.fidonet.org (Laurel Gealt)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: SIGN LANGUAGE
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:01:04 GMT
Reply-To: Laurel.Gealt@f201.n273.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:273/201 - US Telematics, Yardley PA

Index Number: 20861

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

That is interesting about signing with one hand.  I was jjust
discussing that in the last message I answered.  So I will ask you
now.  Like "friend" is one forefinger laid on top of the other
forefinger.  Could you try to explain to me what that would look
like one-handed?  I was not born deaf.  Twenty five years ago, when
I was in my twenties, I was in an automobile accident.  I had a
wound that got infected, and they gave me a heavy dose of an
antibiotic called "neomycin."  It turns outt that neomycin is what
they call "ototoxic", which means it destroys your hearing.  That
is the whole point about these people telling me that I am not
"accepting" my deafness -- They say I still want to think of myself
as a hearing persom.

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From: Lee.Kerr@f7.n300.z1.fidonet.org (Lee Kerr)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: JAILHOUSE BLINKS
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:26:55 GMT
Reply-To: Lee.Kerr@f7.n300.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:300/7 - Tucson Online, Tucson AZ

Index Number: 20958

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

I think so.  Even though he is in prison, he has the right to read and
work where the other convicts work. They should make some reasonal
aconidations.  Only trouble is, they decide what is reasonable.
                           Lee

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From: Christopher.Hill@p233.f4115.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Christopher Hill)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: nls tb developments
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:21:22 GMT
Reply-To: Christopher.Hill@p233.f4115.n124.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/4115.233 - Southern Crossroads, Grapevine TX

Index Number: 20924

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 GP>      The Reader Project tried that and went nowhere.  I
 GP> tried sounding Baen of Baen books out and he expressed
 GP> grave concerns about copy protection problems.  Don't get
 GP> me wrong, I'm all for any system which will get more
 GP> books/magazines into our hands, as long as the
 GP> authors/publishers aren't screwed.  Got any ideas?

I could see where ascii formats could be useful for some
information-based book or magazine (non-fiction especially).  I've
scanned several books, myself, and I've got to say that it's almost
impossible to tie myself to the computer and get interested in a
book.  I've only had it happen for a few, Tom Clancy's Clear and
present danger being one of them.  A real human voice makes it much
more pleasant.  Maybe the one of the biggest problems with
synthesized voice for pleasure reading is that the computer can
never really get the stressed syllables right.  But maybe, what
about a system where the book was scanned, then a human or program
went into the text and inserted unseen synthesizer controls, so it
would sound more like a person...  No, I must be dreaming :-) Chris

... its only a hobby, only a hobby, only...

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From: Bill.Reif@f12.n233.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Reif)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: dog guide rules
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:26:27 GMT
Reply-To: Bill.Reif@f12.n233.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:233/12 - The Temples of Syri, Springfield IL

Index Number: 21144

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

     In a message of <3-31-92>, Carla Campbell writes:

CC> BTW: You said your dog was now retired.  Do you have a replacement, or are
CC> you planning to get another?

     I began working with Yaz, (named after Carl Yastrzemski of the
Boston Red Sox, in 1981.  He was my first guide dog. I retired him
two years ago this Mothers' Day (for every-day use) because he was
developing arthritis that made boarding buses difficult, had developed
cataracts the vet thought were inoperable at his age, and had
problems breathing in the summer.  I put him to sleep last October when
he developed cancer and circulatory problems that cause fluid build-up in
his lungs that could not be controled with medication. Even after
retirement, I took him for walks of several blocks in the evenings so he
could keep exercised.  His vision problems made him hesitant to walk at
night or to approach stairs.

     I believe I was able to work him for ten years because I monitored
his weight and gave him no extra despite the fact he was always hungry.
He weighed no more than about four pounds what he did when I brought him
home.

     At the present time, I don't plan to get another guide dog.  When I
got Yaz, (named after Carl Yastrzemski of the Red Sox) in 1981, I was
single, had recently lost my job, was traveling the country looking for
one, and was not a particularly confident traveler in unfamiliar areas.
I really believe that one reason for my travel hesitance was the
relatively shorter cane the itinerant mobility instructor determined I
should be using, which simply didn't give me the reaction time I needed
to walk quickly.  After I got past the initial fear that Yaz would walk
me in to a sign or light pole, traveling with him became a wonderful
experience.  He was happy to accomodate the fast pace at which I prefer
to walk; and I therefore did a lot more walking even for pure relaxation.

My circumstances have changed considerably in the last ten years.  I am
now married and employed, and most of my travel is to/from the office.
 Yaz's speed and indurence began to faid, I began to once again increase
my cane travel, discarding my 48-inch and 50-inch canes for 59-inch
canes.  I now find the cane travel I do is more relaxing than I ever
recall it being.

     I love dogs; and I do miss some of the things (such as navigating
unfamiliar train stations) that are more easily done with a dog guide.
For the forseeable future, I will continue traveling as "an NFBer with
one of those long canes", and will probably get a pet dog when my
four-year-old can deal with having a puppy around.

          <Bill Reif>
___
 X BABBLE v1.0 X Sometimes I think my learning curve is a circle.

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From: Jack.O'keeffe@p0.f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Jack O'keeffe)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Deafness and Such
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:00:21 GMT
Reply-To: Jack.O'keeffe@p0.f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/26.0 - SoundingBoard, Pittsburgh PA

Index Number: 21061

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

Hi, Annie.

Ret and I were thinking of you when we saw an interesting piece
in the local paper last week.  It tends to support much of what
our education experts have been saying about the deaf schools.

Christina, a 13 year old deaf girl, had spent her first eight
years of schooling in a special unit for children with hearing
impairments.  She was a shy, self-conscious child who could
barely talk.  Christina could, however, read lips well and
communicate fluently in sign language.

This year, her parents transferred her to a mainstream program
at the public Junior High School near here.  Her parents and
teachers are thrilled at the changes this has made.  According
to Christina's teacher, "The change has been like Dr. Jekyll and
Mr. Hyde.  She used to be very, very shy.  She was this quiet
little mouse who didn't talk to anyone or ask questions in class.
Now, I can hardly get her to stop talking.  Christina is very
popular in this school."

"It made a world of difference in her personality", says her mother.
In the deaf classes, she never had to talk because communication
was in sign language.  "The only time she got to talk was at home.
Now her speech is 100% better, her social skills are better, and she
has made a ton of friends".

And Christina, not to be outdone, has been teaching sign language
to her classmates, all of whom are hearing.  They even learned a
song in sign language which they presented at a school assembly
in February.

The full newspaper article fills almost an entire page.  I don't
want to break the net rules and saturate the echo with extensive
text files that will be of interest to just a few SilentTalkers.
Possibly I should Smail a copy of the paper to you.  Or scan it
into a text file and post it for downloading. (Provided, of course,
that "Perceive" can recognize the characters without an excessive
number of boo-boos.)

BTW, did you receive my recent netmail reply to you?  Xpress
screwed up your address again, but I caught it while still online
and yelled for Stu.  He was able to patch it up - I hope :-)

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From: Joel.Lefkowitz@f54.n135.z1.fidonet.org (Joel Lefkowitz)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Biofeedback
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:19:31 GMT
Reply-To: Joel.Lefkowitz@f54.n135.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:135/54 - Ramblin' Roots, Miami FL

Index Number: 21098

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

I took both Biofeedback and self-hypnosis at the Baptist Hospital
Pain Treatment Center in Miami. I was there for three
weeks.(Inpatient). I found the more you do it, the better the
results. For me the ultimate pain killer is still accupuncture. I
still have pain in my abdomen from adhesions, but the pain in my
joints from the arthritis is totally gone. 7 years of pain, gone in
4 treatments. The doctor told me that it is not a cure and that I
would have to come back for more treatments some time in the
future, but for now its been over 6 months and no pain. He has
tried getting rid of the abdominal pain, but can't seem to reach
it. My migraines are totally gone. When I first went to him it was
for a massive(aren't they all) migraine. He started putting in the
needles and I could feel the pain ebbing. It was the most
incredible feeling.  I have been reading your missives from the
pain clinic and find that they are very similar to what I went
through. I don't know if you do it yet, but we had 1 hour a day of
physical therapy, and 1 hour a day of life therapy:ie. washing
clothes, cooking, using the washer and drier, and even getting in
and out of a car. One of the funniest things we had was putting
clothes into a front load drier. Every one had some type of back
problem so we all tried to chicken out. Our instructor asked me to
take the first load and put it in the drier. I pulled down the
door, grabbed the clothe, bent over to thow the clothes in, and the
instructor said, "WHAT ARE YOU DOING". I replied, loading the drier
like you asked. She said why did you bend over to throw the clothes
in.
Do you think there's someone in there that you want to meet.
She told us that almost everyone bends over to look in the drier,
but hteres no need. So when I got home I did it to my wife. She
said, well if you're so good at washing and drying, you can do it
yourself. From then on I kept all information to myself.

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From: Linda.Cummings@f34.n375.z1.fidonet.org (Linda Cummings)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Birmingham Pain Clinic Visit #4
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:56:24 GMT
Reply-To: Linda.Cummings@f34.n375.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:375/34 - Batteries Included , Montgomery AL

Index Number: 20847

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

 > Me too Linda ..Several years back I to became addicted to Vicodan
 > and didn't even know it .... It was my sister that pointed it out
 > to me ..Thank heavens we got it under control and are more aware
 > of what is going on now!

At the last group meeting, we were informed that becoming addicted
to pain medication prescribed by a doctor is one of the easiest
additions. After all, we're just doing what the doctor ordered,
aren't we?

I watch myself now, too.  But, I do use common sense and do not
take more than prescribed.  Even doing that, I may become addicted
to Flexaril.  Had a bout with left leg spasms and cramps yesterday
because the day before I didn't take the amount prescribed.
Whew...I didn't think my body would become dependent that fast!

Linda

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From: Ann.Stalnaker@p0.f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Stalnaker)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Blue Hope
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:59:27 GMT
Reply-To: Ann.Stalnaker@p0.f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/2120.0 - Fingers Talk, Irving TX

Index Number: 20856

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 >  If it weren't for my father telling me about other people
 > talking in foreign languages, I would have missed that fact.
 > Just one of those things that deafness affects.....

Apparently you don't noticed that those who speak with an
accent or are talking in foreign languages seem to roll their
tongues a bit differently.  Perhaps I notice it more since
I've lived in so many countries and have been exposed to
various languages.

One incident comes to mind though...a very close friend of
mine introduced me to one of her close southern friends who
came to visit in Oklahoma.  Her friend was from South Carolina
and it was very noticeable to me that she had a deep southern
drawl right from the first.  We really had a great time laughing
about all of this - however, I do have a southern accent myself.
:-)

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From: Steve.Bauer@f7.n291.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Bauer)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Word Perfect Docs
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:30:16 GMT
Reply-To: Steve.Bauer@f7.n291.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:291/7 - Union Station, Wichita KS

Index Number: 21162

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

[Note from Bill McGarry: By Wednesday, April 15th, this file should
 be available both on my BBS (1-203-337-1607) and on the
 Handicap News ftp site - handicap.shel.isc-br.com]

There's a nice msall reference manual on WordPerfect 5.1.  I know
Willie has it available and I do to.  It's under the file name
WP51MAN.ZIP  on the Scherer'n Place BBS 316-529-2213 in the Vision
Impaired  section.

Haven't used it myself, but a friend has and says it's pretty good.

Hope that info helps you and Debbie C.

Steve

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From: Allison.Cozzi@f3216.n161.z1.fidonet.org (Allison Cozzi)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: partial laminectomies
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:02:09 GMT
Reply-To: Allison.Cozzi@f3216.n161.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:161/3216 - Computer Communicat, Concord Ca

Index Number: 21067

[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

-> Now, my back is a smorgasboard of lovely scars.  I have two, almost s
-> side from the two partial laminectomy's when the L4/L5 disk ruptured
-> and re-ruptured...........

     Hmmm... the more I hear about the partial laminectomies, the more I
think they were a real bad plan! For certain, the recuperation from the
partials is shorter but I remember seeing the results of a study of
several patients who had undergone partial laminectomies. A terrifically
high percentage of them had to be re-done in a year or so since the
incompletely tampered with disc had leaked a substance onto the nerve
root and had irritated it, creating as much pain as before or the disc
material went ahead and fully ruptured. Does that seem to agree with
your experience?
                                                Allison

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From: Stew.Bowden@f6.n377.z1.fidonet.org (Stew Bowden)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Double talk
Date: 11 Apr 92 12:48:49 GMT
Reply-To: Stew.Bowden@f6.n377.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:377/6 - T.A.B.B., Tampa Fl

Index Number: 20984

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi Phil: nice to say hello again, and about doubletalk, I've heard
it but never tried it. It becomes a rather expensive investment,
especially if one invests in the software as well. Why can't
programers keep that issue in mind? Most of us invested in
computers, speech synthesizers, and speech software two three or
five years ago. Now, we're suddenly being asked to forgo those
earlier investments, flush them down the drain, and start over.
Will we be expected to do it all over again in the next five years.
Man! that gets to be a rather expensive bummer. Anyway, that's a
rather longwinded way of saying I've heard it but haven't worked
with it. Stew

===
 * SLMR 2.1a *

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From: mcgrew@ichthous.Eng.Sun.COM (Darin McGrew)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Electric cars and the blind
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:05:02 GMT
Reply-To: mcgrew@ichthous.Eng.Sun.COM (Darin McGrew)
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 21103

Christopher.Hill@p233.f4115.n124.z1.fidonet.org writes:
>Couple of things I can think of:  1.  Make them come equipped with
>some sort of constant whistle, this would not only be good for the
>blind, but also for the sighted who happened to not be paying
>attention, as well as maybe cutting down the number of animals
>ashed by these machines.

The only drawback I see to this is that the car companies are
bending over backwards to reduce the aerodynamic drag on their
production electrics, and they might not want to add an
aerodynamically noisy whistle to the car.

Random thoughts--

Such a wistle would need to be fairly low in pitch, since high
pitches are hard to localize.  It would need to be designed to be
as aerodynamically clean as possible.  It would need to work at a
variety of speeds without becoming inaudibly soft or too high for
pedestrians to localize or too loud.

Darin.McGrew@Eng.Sun.COM          Love is something more stern and spendid
    Soli Deo Gloria!                than mere kindness.  -- C. S. Lewis