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From: scm3775@tamsun.tamu.edu (Sean Malloy)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: abortion
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:34:52 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station

In article <X> ablanch@physics.su.OZ.AU (Shonias) writes:
>"There is another "right-to-life" issue though, and that is the right of
>the parents to life. We have already heard from one person who would
>not have the life he has now if abortion had not been an option. You
>cannot put a price on the life of the parents anymore than you can on 
>that of the child. By removing the parents' right to their life (which
>really is what you are doing for a large percentage of cases) you are
>inducing bitterness and regret that will inevitably be transferred onto
>the child. What "life" does an unloved, uncared-for child have?

CD nods slightly. "Here we get into the 'quality of life' issue that
surrounds other controversial topics like euthenasia and the
'right to die'.  Jenny and I did discuss what impact having a child
would have on our lives, and the most likely scenario was one where
we both worked for slightly above minimum wage to provide a roof over
our heads and food in our child's mouth.  We would have both had to
have sacrificed our educations in order to work, severely limiting
ourselves, and greatly impacting the rest of our lives.  My god...
we were just kids, struggling with a decision that would impact the
next eighteen years of our lives...  and neither of us was that
old ourselves.

"She said to me after a doctor confirmed that she was pregnant that
the news would have been 'the best news she'd ever heard' if we had
been 5 years older.  But, as things were, it brought about the hardest
decision we've ever had to make...  Now it's 5 years later...  I'm
creeping up on graduation, and I certainly hope I'm able to earn more
than minimum wage.  In a few years, I might be financially able to
provide for a family, hopefully with 'bonuses' like medical insurance
and the money to buy Christmas presents and such...  A child that I
have now might actually have the opportunity to grow up in a neighborhood
where they don't have to dodge bullets on the way to school, and might
have better-than-average chances of going to college.

"Jenny's less than a year away from becoming a teacher; who knows how
many lives she will significantly impact in that role?  I'm about to
embark on a career that might have a positive effect on the world (one
can never know).  Neither of these things would be possible
without our educations.  Who's to say that the world would have been
a better place with us struggling to survive, instead of flourishing
and making our own marks?

"One can never know."

-cd
-- 

   Sean C. Malloy    |  "Never underestimate the power  |  scm@tamu.edu
Texas A&M University |    of human stupidity" - RAH     | 
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From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Subject: Re: A new wizard.
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 07:03:12 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.002555.4814@ucc.su.OZ.AU>, pope@physics.su.OZ.AU (Michael Pope) writes:
>The ball, apparently reacts to being poked about, perhaps it is ticklish?,
>and begins to hum and glow a faint blue.  The sound of flutes and mandolins can
>be heard, and a voice, not altogether unfamiliar can be heard to say,
>
>"Of magic ways there are many, yet commons aims they may have.  How things are
>done are not always as important as what they do.  Thus is the secret of my  
>craft.  What is my magic for............."
>
>And then all is silent from that magic globe......

StM ventures, "Er, it makes things vanish?"
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From: tjlee@iastate.edu (Tom Lee)
Subject: Re: Becoming a murderer
Originator: tjlee@pv740b.vincent.iastate.edu
Organization: Seven Wishes Lamp Co.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:54:32 GMT

Speaker-to-Minerals writes:

>Speaker-to-Minerals asks Bob and Lamplighter, "Are the two of you willing to
>contribute $25,000 each for the rest of Harris' life to support him?"

	"No," says the Lamplighter concisely.

-----------------------<| "The embroidery of your life holds you in and keeps
  <=|- Tom Lee -|=>   -<| you out, but you survive,
  tjlee@iastate.edu   -<|  Imprisoned in your bones behind the isinglass
-----------------------<| windows of your eyes." -- sung by Judy Collins
From: mar@physics.su.OZ.AU (David Mar)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Rhetoric: The End of Morality in Society (?)
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:50:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucc.1992Apr8.005034.21099
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia

> [kitten:]
>now, i am lousy at defending my own beliefs...more because i don't
>want to hurt somebody else's because of a lack of faith in my own
>convictions.

"Sounds like me, kitten," says Danger Mouse. "Arguing, as in defending a
viewpoint based on a logical series of reasoning and developments, is a
skill which is independent of the validity of the viewpoint, IMHO. And I
don't possess that skill to any degree."

>abortion won't end if it becomes illegal again...it will just go back
>underground and it will cost the lives of many, many women."

DM nods quietly. He usually tries to avoid the soapboxes as much as possible.
But something else nags at him...

"Another thing which is incomprehensible to me is that people can be denied
the right to die if, for example, they are suffering a terminal disease.
And the fact that people can be charged and convicted for trying to help
alleviate suffering in such people, even if the person _requests_ to die.

"I don't know the situation elsewhere, but in Australia it is no longer
illegal to attempt or commit suicide. How then can our justice system
convict people who assist others to perform a legal task?"

DM looks down and mutters, "Damn soapboxes." He climbs down, picks them
up one by one and hurls them into the Danger Room, where they smash to
pieces with a resounding crunch that echoes its way back into the bar.

- Danger Mouse.
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From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Subject: Re: The expedition....
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 06:38:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.212733.14569@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, keaches@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kevin S Eaches) writes:
>Legion looks up from his table, after listening to several people talking about
>an expedition to a temple that might be a mausoleum of Asimov. He hmmms softly 
>to himself for a few minutes, then speaks up.
>     "StM, that sounds interesting to me.  I'd love to go on the expedition.  
>I'm a SF fan (My personal library is over 1000, plus I've read a lot more), and
>my personal field is molecular genetics.  I'm not a chemist per se, but the 
>molecular genetics does include some biochem, so that might help.  I've also 
>studied whatever subjects interested me, and I get interested in lots of 
>things....Need another generalist? :) "
>     While waiting for a reply, Legion gets interested in the picnic going on 
>in the meadow. "Been ages since I've been on a picnic....StM, while you're 
>thinking it over, I'll be out in the meadow...."  Legion makes gesture, and 
>disappears for a few minutes.  Then he slowly fades back in, carrying a picnic 
>basket and grinning.  He waves to StM, and then wanders out into the meadow, to
>enjoy some nice outdoors and some food....

StM vanishes for a short while, and returns carrying three sacks.  He describes
their contents:  "Last time we went exploring, we weren't very well prepared. 
I hope to remedy that this time:  The first sack, for you SCA types, contains a
number of bundles of reeds soaked in some sort of grease.  They ought to make
pretty good torches ("Nightfall").  The second [for the high-tech types]
contains what OUGHT to be a stable isotope of a heavy metal, except it seems to
be fissioning.  At any rate, it's the power source for thermionic generators
running light bulbs (_The_Gods_Themselves_).  The whole unit is large enough
that the laws of physics seem to work properly outside of it.  Pay no attention
to the fact that the sun seems a bit dimmer.  It's probably a figment of your
imagination (especially since it'll be a LONG time [right, DM?] before we'll
see any change in the sun's luminosity based on changes made NOW in the physics
of the reactions in its core).  The third sack is filled with sacks of
thiotimoline ("On the Endochronic Properties of Thiotimoline," and Asimov's
oral thesis defense).  They should warn us if we're about to get wet.  I AM a
bit worried about what'll happen if one sack dissolves and we stop before we get
wet, though (can't remember how that worked in the story).

"OK, those are my initial contributions to the supplies for the expedition.  I
propose that we wait 1 RL (until 16-April) week for others to think of other
equipment we may need (can anybody scrounge up a Neuronic Whip, in case we meet
any nasty creatures [WERE there any nasty creatures, other than humans and a
certain demon, in any of Asimov's stories?]), then proceed with the
exploration."
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 16:27:49 EDT
From: Abner Mintz <AXM113@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: abortion
Distribution: usa

Tonya Gonzales says:
>We aren't telling you to go out and destroy the baby that you
>create, we just saying *we* deserve a choice to have our own views
>and feelings on this subject. By saying yes to choice we aren't
>limiting anyones right to do what they feel is correct. By saying no
>to choice you have taken peoples rights away.

Rachel is pro-choice.  She has also determined that she will NEVER have an
abortion.  She thinks it would be the wrong thing to do ... but that each
person should have the right to decide for themselves.

My views?  Pretty similar, except any decision on my part not to have an
abortion would be pretty anti-climatic!  =8)
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Subject: Re: Rhetoric: The End of Morality in Society (?)
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 05:29:25 GMT

In article <s29khINN3h5@agate.berkeley.edu>, erikred@ocf.berkeley.edu (Erik Nielsen) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.235933.7319@waikato.ac.nz> rmarsh@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>}  "The fair market rent is determined by the average value placed on the
>}resource by everyone. That's what the lists do, determine the fair market
>}rent. Those who value a resource more highly than average will control
>}their share themselves. Those who value it less will take the
>}compensation."
>
>AARGH!!!  Sorry.  Your argument is fair enough, but I'm discovering, as I
>read it, that I have an even more basic opposition to "fair market rent"
>within myself:  I wanna go back to the barter system!!!!

StM, whose four years of graduate work in economics STILL don't allow him to
make sense of this objection, suggests:  "So?  Pay him the fair market rents in
potatoes!  Or in indentured servitude.  Or in whiskey.  Or in whatever
commodity you prefer.  Market rents do NOT depend on a universal medium of
exchange."

>Sigh.  I guess us SCAdian/Faire people are really not the sort of people to
>talk to about money.  Up the system; advocate monarchy.

"Neither, necessarily, are those who talk about `fair market rents.'  Not all
of us are monetarists.  In fact, the people who talk about `fair market rents'
(MICROeconomists) are frequently of the opinion that those who place a lot of
emphasis on money (MACROeocnomists) don't have the slightest idea what they're
doing (actually, the opinion is more often expressed scatalogically).  To those 
of us with a background in MICROeconomics, money is simply a convenient medium
of exchange.  There's nothing magical about it.  It's almost enough to make me
become a Christian: I wish there were a Hell so that Keynes could rot in it!
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From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: credit
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:39:28 GMT

kitten calls for attention among the folx who are at the party...

"i have an announcement to make," she says, blushing.  "i am getting
all of didi's compliments and it is not fair....NOT that i don't love
our danger mouse, too...and i helped a little with the party....but,
didi did all the work....except for the post by shonias, didi did all
the organizing, cutting and pasting and everything...worked her little
fingers to the bone, she did... and then she sent me thousands of
lines of stuff so _I_ could post it...just in case she had problems
with her news feed again...so it was my name on her work....

let's get her up here and give her a hand."  [MAJOR APPLAUSE]


--
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conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 

"kittens today are not properly trained--the way that they were when
victoria reigned." asparagus (gus: the theatre cat)
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From: cplma@groper.jcu.edu.au (Nicarra)
Subject: Re: call for names...
Organization: James Cook University
Distribution: world,local
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 13:19:04 GMT

In <OLSON.92Apr2221909@husc8.harvard.edu> olson@husc8.harvard.edu (Chip Olson) writes:

>In article <1992Apr2.002335.648@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski) writes:
>>In <jmsp.702168353@milton> jmsp@milton.u.washington.edu (Mongoose) writes:
>>>Both times, I've "taken my husband's name".  I don't hyphenate, but 
>>>I've kept my father's name as a middle name.  ME has a lot of names.
>>
>>when i got married the first time....i became barbara byrnes....got
>>divorced and went back to robinson...got re-married and ended up as a
>>trumpinski....i swear, if i ever get rid of this husband (not any time
>>soon :) ) i will just drop it altogether...barbara ann--period."

>Castellan rolls his eyes.  "Sheesh... A woman who worked in the office of a 
>temp agency I worked for awhile back did a double take while handing me
>my paycheck once... turns out her name was Olson too, spelled right even
>(i.e. not Olsen).  It was her married name, and she had since been divorced-
>but she said, `well, I hated him, but I liked the name, so I kept it'.  Of
>course, I complimented her on her excellent taste in names.  Then again, 
>her maiden name may have been something utterly horrible, for all I know..."

Nicarra grins.  "I went from Josephson to Alford.  While people can get
Alford wrong, they certainly don't tend to get it as wrong as Josephson.
My sister wasn't nearly as lucky.  I don't imagine that Spaulding is
even slightly better."

"However, it did take quite a long time to get used to changing my name,
and it still urks me that women, unless they have already been known
under their maiden name in their profession, are expected to change
names.  So I never did get rid of the Josephson, I just moved it to the
middle to replace an extremely common, boring middle name."

"Could have been worse though.  You should have heard the family name
before they changed it.  That would have been very rough to live with."

Nicarra
-- 
The screen of my Mac doesn't really resemble my desktop despite being designed 
to support the desktop metaphor (1), and the windows on my terminal bear only 
the slightest relation to the contraptions that lets drafts into my office.  
Stroustrup.  1) I wouldn't be able to tolerate such a mess on my screen anyway.
From: scm3775@tamsun.tamu.edu (Sean Malloy)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: All mind and no heart?
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:37:38 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station

COAN writes about his apparent inability to be emotionally affected :
[...]
> Shared pain lessened, shared joy increased...  but I have nothing to
> share but confusion.  Confusion and a calm familiar inner quiet where
>I'd rather be rage and storm.
 
CD walks up to COAN's table and sits down without waiting for 
an invitation.  "I, too, am very calm by nature... normally, 
that is.  Few topics seem important enough to me to get worked 
up about, so I don't, much to the distress of the Type-A's in 
my life..."
 
"I recently went through a rather rough time involving the end 
of a three-year relationship."  He chuckles softly, "Best two 
years of my life...  I took it rather hard, though not as hard 
as I would have if I'd not been expecting it...
 
"One evening, shortly afterward, I took a look at myself, 
wondering where my pain was.  I was feeling relief... almost 
happiness, and it disturbed me.  I realized that I had shut 
down emotionally.  There was no beauty in life; no wonder at 
things earthly.  I was not living... but merely existing.
 
"What shook me the most upon realizing this was that I had 
been thinking this was 'happy' when it was actually something 
closer to 'miserable'.
 
"I found my pain, and relished in it.  It was comforting to 
feel something, anything again... and it had been nearly a 
year.  Then I rediscovered some things in life.  I think the 
first was... stars.  They hadn't gone anywhere, but I happened 
to gaze into the night sky on my way to my car, and I was 
struck numb.  Such beauty... and it was there all along, just 
waiting to be found.  Suitably impressed, I began to search 
out other things that I realized that I'd been missing.
 
"Soon after the gift of wonderment was given back to me, I 
discovered other emotions that had lain dusty in my attic for 
what seemed like forever.  Joy, ambition, " CD glances over 
his shoulder, "...lust, and, aye, maybe even... maybe even 
love."  CD becomes exceeding introspective at this point, and 
loses himself in thought.  Suddenly shaking his head,  he 
continues.
 
"You want questions?" he asks rhetorically.  "Okay.  I've got 
but one.  It's deceptively simple, but might be tough to 
answer."
 
Staring COAN straight in the eye, he asks "Do you love her?"  
A silent moment passes, and CD guesses at a positive 
response.  Quietly, he adds, "Why?"
 
"I realize that I'm an outsider, and that I can never hope to 
know the situation as well as one in the middle of it, but 
this is my advice.  Ponder on that question for a while.  
Then, when you think you know the answer, tell Judie.
 
"Who knows?  It might not help, but I don't believe it can 
hurt."
 
-cd
 

-- 

   Sean C. Malloy    |  "You live & learn, or you   |  scm@tamu.edu 
Texas A&M University |   don't live long." - RAH    |  scm3775@tamsun.tamu.edu
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From: abv29765@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kitling )
Subject: Re: MIA
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:48:09 GMT

GE.LJB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Louis J Bookbinder) writes:

>Klum klum de klum kloop ...(oh, heck with the melodrama!)
>"I remain 200 posts behind, but........"
>Nick walks to the chalkboard for the semi-regular sad event:
>The following have not posted in OH, So Long. Are they gone forever?

>MEMBERS IN ABSENTIA (M.I.A.)
>----------------------------
>Hawke

*sigh*  Ok....I knew it.  About the time I say I'm going to not have access,
I find out I do.  Why?  I'm not graduating after all.  "Sok though....I'll
just be able to hang aroun more...:)  

Anyway.  Thanks all of you for all the letters that you sent.  I didn't get 
the chance to answer them all, but I appreciated them.  And I'll be here,
sometimes quiet.  Probably til June or so I won't have a lot to say.......

BUT.  *thinks about starting a pie fight before ducking back to her work....

Hawke
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You wouldn't know love if it knocked down your door.
You wouldn't know it now, you never knew it before.  wi.3104@wizvax....
If it fell in your hands from the heavens above,    abv29765@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
You wouldn't know love, no, you wouldn't know love.
                      -Cher
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From: salford@orion.lrmsc.loral.com (Stephanie Alford 5850)
Subject: Re: Bear's story (or Can't Children be Cruel)
Organization: Loral Rolm Mil-Spec Computers
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 04:00:05 GMT

In article <kdvAIoG00awNQPPF4_@andrew.cmu.edu> ml5a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Beirne Lively) writes:
>>So how about a big group hug
>Great, I would love that.  Who else is in
SEA leaves the hot tub, magically drying along the way and joins in the
group hug (thanks guys, I really need this)
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SEA
Stephanie Alford
(now with two ways to frustrate myself)
salford@monolith.lrmsc.loral.com
lunisea@netcom.com
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: A New Arrival
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:07:43 GMT
Organization: The Cat Factory


The Polymath, his motions oddly out of synch with the environment,
addresses the spot the Mandelbear occupied nearly two weeks ago:

"Congratulations on the new addition!  I hope all's well when you see
this. (Callahan's posts here are still running 8 - 10 days late)."

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@soldev.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
Santa Monica, CA  90405 {rutgers|pyramid|philabs|psivax}!ttidca!hollombe
From: vad276g@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen McNamara)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Scorpio's (was Re: Mundanity)
Date: 2 Apr 92 15:32:27 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.


   The brumby doesn't really beleive in astrology or any of it's related
stuff but it makes a useful way of looking at someone from a different
angle.

Elizabeth.Mccoy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Elizabeth Mccoy) writes:

>--E_McCoy@unhh.unh.edu aka T'Kee the Grudge-holding Cat-Centaur (Did I
>mention that I'm a Guy Faulks <sp?> baby? Nov. 5th. That also makes me a
>Scorpio, which is supposed to make me vindictive... Gee...) 

   "Well, every Scorpio I know well, including myself, has a decided sting
when provoked."


-- 
     The Silver Brumby of      vad276g@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (till Apr 13)
      the Silicon Plains           brumby@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

      The grass is always greener on the other side of the network.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 12:42:00 EDT
From: Abner Mintz <AXM113@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Martyr's Little Problem...

>"_And_ I posted mine too early!!"

>"I suppose you could call it...Premature Congratulation...?"

>"How embarrassing!!!!" ;-)

>                        (The Blushing) Martyr.

"And once you posted, you were impotent to stop it from being read ... we
understand."
      Tizrak holds both hands over his mouth, to prevent any further puns.
This could too easily slide over the edge into an innuendo battle, and he
hasn't had time to erect any defenses.
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