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From: Uucp@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Can you hear me?
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 10 Nov 92  17:03:54

From  ucivax!heifetz.msen.com!dgsi!puck!markb
From: markb@puck (Mark Bernstein)
To:   filk@ofa123.fidonet.org
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 19:38:16 EST


I've sent out several postings, via the Usenet group alt.music.filk,
responding to various aspects of the "BNF/filk snobs" discussion.
Unfortunately, since I've yet to see them show up as postings, and 
haven't seen any responses to them, I think it's likely that for some
reason they're not getting through.  I'll talk to my local network
administrator the next time I see him to see if he knows anything about
this.

In the meantime, I'm sending this message via the filk mailing list
(filk@ofa123.fidonet.org).  If it gets through, and I get responses telling
me that no, my postings haven't been seen, then I'll use this same route
to re-send everything, once I reconstruct it. (*sigh*)

Thanks in advance for any responses.

Mark Bernstein
markb@cimage.com
From: Shadow.Spear@f236.n271.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: My First Filk..
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Oct  1 1992
Date: 03 Nov 92  18:04:00

<We have witnesses who say Joe Bethancourt spoke to Shadow Spear
about My First Filk.. on 10-28-92  12:17>
 -=> Shadow Spear said to All on 10-27-92  00:40 <=- 
 
 SS> DayDreams
 
 SS> (by:Robert G. Haid,Jr.)
 SS> (tune:By Chance It Was, as sung by Clannad)
 
 SS> Permission granted to spread this around, if you think it's worth the
 SS> effort :) As long as my name stays with it. I would appreciate a copy
 SS> of any books that  it is put into(like it would be :)  ) if that is
 SS> possible. 
 SS> Robert G. Haid,Jr.

 JB> VERY nice! I have captured it for the Black Book! (It will be in
 JB> UPDATE5.ZIP when I release that file....)



	Thank you! I wasn't sure if anyone would like it or not. How do I go 
about getting UPDATE5.ZIP when you release it?
	Also, if you sent the netmail letter about the SCA, I didn't get it.
	(I think it was you, wasn't it?)


Robert G. Haid,Jr.





... Lab animals have been known to cause cancer in tag lines!
--- FMail 0.90
From: doug@telly.on.ca (Doug Young)
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: Phone Filk
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:53:13 GMT
Organization: Somewhere just far enough out of Toronto

I have several I use.

(TTTof The Christmas Song (Chestnuts Roasting) )

Doug Young's Skiing on a Snowy Slope, He's Not here to talk it's true,
But leave me Your name, and your number the same,
and Merry Christmas, to you.

(Auld Lang Syne)
Young Douglas isn't here right now, you have reached his Electronic Being,
So Leave Your name and Phone Number, I'll call you when I'm back from Skiing.

(The Limerick Song)

Hello there this here is Young Doug,
The Fellow you phoned Up to Bug
You can't talk to me
'Cuz I am not free
I'm Sorry I'm not here to hug.

I can't come right now to the Phone
To answer this call on my own
SO leave me your name
And your number the same
Right after you hear the long tone.
-------------------------------------------------------
Doug Young
From: Scott.Fridenberg@f901.n170.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Phone Filk
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 09 Nov 92  01:18:00

* Replying to a message originally to All on 11-06-92

mg> Sonnet previously on my answering machine:
mg>
mg> A call at last!  From you of all who speak!
...

Ok,  How many people have filk on their answering machine?

       I don't myself but a friend of mine likes songs on his machine and I go 
over from time to time and make up a few for him.  It's an intresting
challenge when you only have 20 seconds to play with.  The only one that comes 
to mind at the moment was one he wanted for St. Patrick's Day.  The Tune is
"When Irish Eyes are Smiling"

When Irish friends are calling
and they find me not at home.
Sure, I'd hate to miss your message
as through this world I roam.
Please leave you name and number,
Wait till you hear the tone.
Unless that is you're English,
Then please hang up the phone!

                                       Scott


--- FMail 0.90
From: Gerald.Bliss@f281.n120.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Love songs...
Date: 5 Nov 92 03:11:00 GMT
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992


 On 11-02-92 Eli Brian Goldberg wrote to All... 
 
 EB> Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA 
 EB> From: eg1n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Eli Brian Goldberg) 
 EB> Message-ID: MexJYDy00WA70Sk2Ir@andrew.cmu.edu 
 EB> Newsgroups: alt.music.filk 
 
 EB> Hmm...I assume there are probably good reasons for the current 
     rules on judging/entering songs in the OVFF songwriting contests 
     (although, I admit I don't know what they are... ;-) 
 
It really would have been nice to know what the rules were.  Makes it 
hard to write what the judges want when you don't even know the 
criteria.  Most of us didn't even find out who the judges were (better 
left until AFTER the contest, or maybe the con). 
 
 EB> Personally, I think that songs that have either been recorded on 
     live or studio tape in the past shouldn't be allowed; what's the 
     purpose of having a contest when most of the audience has heard the 
     songs before?  (Of course, what would happen if people started 
     delaying tapes to come out after contests ... as is sortof 
     happening with Nobel prizes, in that some scientists choose to 
     withhold their findings if there was already a "sure win" that 
     year, etc.) 
 
Good point.  I probably agree, although I might be talked out of it. 
 
EB> Was it my imagination, or did SMC's Unicorn song have the same chord 
     progression as the verse to Lullaby for a Weary World?  (Or is it 
     possible that after playing that d*mn song for 7-8 hours in 2-3 
     weeks, EVERYTHING starts to have the same chord progression! ;-) 
 
I can speak rather authoritatively that it was not the same chord 
progression.  It was somewhat closer to Daddy's Little Girl... <G> 
 
Speaking of which, maybe YOU're sick of Lullaby for a Weary World, but 
that little girl who sang it at the one-shot concert sure had tears 
coming to MY eyes. 
 
... OFFLINE 1.39 * The best way to accelerate a Mac is at 9.8 m/s^2 

--- DCQwk/T.A.G.  1.4a
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 17:41:06 -0500 
From: Eli Brian Goldberg <eg1n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Oops...

I just realized that I forgot to ask permission from the original posters
for the 3 message rec.org.sca chain I forwarded about Leslie Fish/Pennsic/
whatever.

Apologies to Dorothy Heydt and Harold Feld...
From: Deborah.Weiss@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: The Filking Times
Date: 7 Nov 92 21:10:17 GMT
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992


 
To: dmk@venus.medicine.rochester.edu (David Kushner) From:  
filk@ofa123.fidonet.org

 
 

 > Does anyone know if Rick Weiss is on the net.  I sent him


 > money more


 > than four months ago (which was cashed) and have yet to


 > receive


 > anything from the Filking Times.


 >


 > David Kushner
 
 
Hello, David!  Sorry, but Rick is not on the net, but I am!  Thank you for
your kind reminder.  No, we did not plan to abscond with your funds.  However, 
we *have* been experiencing an *interesting* (aka famous Chinese curse) and
TFT has not been published since June 1992.
 
BUT....even as I type this, Rick is on-line with the DTP with a new issue to
be released by next weekend (folks keep adding more current 
<read: like next weekend> calendar items).
 
Tagline is:  Keep the faith!  And watch your mailbox the next week or so.
 
Sincerely yours,
 
Deborah Weiss
TFT Contributing Editor
(and Chief Stamp Licker)


---
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: Copyright questions,
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:03:06 GMT
Organization: n.o.y.b

In article <n0dbdt@ofa123.fidonet.org> Joe.Bethancourt@f72.n114.z1.fidonet.org writes:
> -=> Kay Shapero said to Kenneth Jubal Demonn on 11-01-92  14:03 <=-
>
> KS> Not at all -  it's been discussed from time to time, and the general
> KS> consensus is that lyrics "to the tune of" are fine, but other than
> KS> that it's pretty murky.  I THINK performance of songs "to the tune of"
> KS> are also covered since goodness knows there are enough of 'em, but
> KS> wouldn't know.
>
>All I can offer on the subject is my own experiences....the lyrics I have
>written to PD (Public Domain) melodies and those to copyrighted melodies
>are copyrighted to me, of course, and I get a certain royalty on them from
>my tapes.
>
>The copyrighted melodies are used on my tapes, with permission of the owners,
>and royalties are paid thru BMI/ASCAP or whoever. It's that easy!
>
>Of course, permission is sometimes a rather interesting thing to get, as
>witness our negotiations with Disney over "It's a Small Small World" (the
>melody for "A Report On The Spanish Expedition of 1492" on the _Black Book
>Of Locksley_ tape.....
>
>
>... Where is Wonder Warthog now that we need him?

When was the last time you saw rhubarb pie? (rip, shred tear rend!!! grunt)
Actually, wasn't he last seen on Uranus?

	mark

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 17:26:19 -0500 
From: Eli Brian Goldberg <eg1n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Fwd: SCA character (was: OOP dancing)
 <1d47khINNpc@agate.berkeley.edu>

[This is fairly filk-related from netnews.rec.org.sca, the Rialto.  I thought
that this just HAD to get forwarded...! ;)]
-------- Forwarded message begins here ----------

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Received: via nntppoll with nntp; Mon,  2 Nov 1992 20:04:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Joe.Bethancourt@f72.n114.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: Copyright questions,
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 04 Nov 92  14:30:00

 -=> Kay Shapero said to Kenneth Jubal Demonn on 11-01-92  14:03 <=-

 KS> Not at all -  it's been discussed from time to time, and the general
 KS> consensus is that lyrics "to the tune of" are fine, but other than
 KS> that it's pretty murky.  I THINK performance of songs "to the tune of"
 KS> are also covered since goodness knows there are enough of 'em, but
 KS> wouldn't know.

All I can offer on the subject is my own experiences....the lyrics I have
written to PD (Public Domain) melodies and those to copyrighted melodies
are copyrighted to me, of course, and I get a certain royalty on them from
my tapes.

The copyrighted melodies are used on my tapes, with permission of the owners,
and royalties are paid thru BMI/ASCAP or whoever. It's that easy!

Of course, permission is sometimes a rather interesting thing to get, as
witness our negotiations with Disney over "It's a Small Small World" (the
melody for "A Report On The Spanish Expedition of 1492" on the _Black Book
Of Locksley_ tape.....


... Where is Wonder Warthog now that we need him?


--- WM v2.04/92-0475
From: Dave.Aronson@p11.f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: Copyright questions, and a filk.
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Oct  1 1992
Date: 02 Nov 92  16:44:50

markb@cimage.com (Mark Bernstein) writes:

 MB> I've heard (unconfirmed) that Weird Al had to
 MB> fight for years to get all the needed permissions for 
 MB> his first album,

I've heard (again unconfirmed) quite the reverse - that his lawyer says he's
quite in the legal clear, but he bothers to ask permission before parodying
and won't do it (or hound) if denied.


--- Maximus 2.01wb
From: Dave.Aronson@p11.f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: from ne.jobs
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Oct  1 1992
Date: 02 Nov 92  16:57:54

mgw@world.std.com (maryanne g wolf) writes:

 mgw> I Wish to be the Latest of the Engineers You're Hiring Now.
 mgw> sung to the tune of "I am the Very Model of a Modern Major General"

<ROFL!>  Forwarded to Fidonet's JOBS echo (our equivalent of your
misc.jobs.misc, I think).


--- Maximus 2.01wb
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Love Songs/One Shots/etc
From: Eli Brian Goldberg <eg1n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 1992 16:39:33 -0500 
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

[DISCLAIMER: This is NOT meant as a flame.]

Gerald ---

I think the reason that Steven MacDonald's song didn't win the
love song contest was because it was a _mundane_ love song,
IMHO.  Although I _really_ enjoyed his entry, if I recall
correctly, the entire plot consisted of, "I met you on a fine
fall day...pretty as a Robin in the month of May...", etc.  I
believe it consisted of, "I met you, you were pretty, we thus
fell in love."  Really pretty song, (IMHO) VERY well
performed, but still shallow in point.  (Of course, I haven't
heard it for weeks; did I misinterpret it?)

To be blunt, I really can't think of many fannish couples
that fell in love like that.  Then again, I can't think of
_ANY_ that did... ;-)  Compare this to the winners --- CMQ's
entry, which (IMHO) was the exact opposite of Steve 
MacDonald's song in which it had (IMHO) a fairly bland melody,
but absolutely _GORGEOUS_ lyrics (IMHO), and was most
definitely fannish in its meaning.  And, likewise, Renee's
entry, which was most _definitely_ fannish in the point of,
"We're both different from the status quo, and both looked
down upon.  Why should that stop our lives?" which is a VERY
strong fannish theme, IMHO.

I think this actually just reiterates your suggestion that
the judging criteria be distributed; I doubt the OVFF people
would mind if they were asked.  (Anyone want to take the
initiative?  ;)

About entering songs from tapes, well...I think 
Kay~s post pretty much shatters my argument against it.

BTW, The reason I'm so sick of Lullaby for a Weary World was 
_because_ I spent so much time practicing it in order to
accompany "that little girl who sang it at the one-shot
concert". ;-) (On that topic, if I didn~t have more sense,
I'd be tempted to start a flame war about how people should
make more effort in not ignoring accompanists; I spent
8-9 HOURS (!) learning the guitar work I churned out for that
song and had the fun of watching a dozen people walk by me
and Cacie, comment on her vocals, and act as if I was a
figment of their imagination.  An occasional comment of, 
"That guitar arrangement worked fairly well, too..." would
suffice nicely :-]




|  "Carnegie Mellon: Where the fun never stops --- because it never starts!" |
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From: Kay.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Myth Debunking 201, part 1 of 2
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 09 Nov 92  07:54:24

On <Nov 07 12:27>, Eli Brian Goldberg <eg1n+@andrew.cmu.edu> said to All:

 U>Talent is NOT a mythical musical gift that separates the Julia 
 U>Ecklars 
 U>from the stereotypical green neo. Talent is effectively "BORN 
 U>EXPERIENCE" ---
 U>some people don't have to go through the process of learning to 
 U>sing on
 U>key, or to sing through their diaphragm, or to develop basic 
 U>timing skills,
 U>etc --- these abilities "magically" developed on their own.  If 

Eli; judging at least by personal experience this is not exactly the case.
What talent DOES appear to consist of is not experience at all; it's the
ability to learn the skill in question relatively easily, and to enjoy the
process.  I think I can claim to have a talent for singing.  But my
SKILL at singing is due primarily to practice; I've been singing with
choirs since I was 7 or so, and have had some formal musical training
as well.  The choir experience is why, for example, I can usually sing 
harmony to any tune I encounter after I've heard it once through.  But
the fact is I can sing well largely because I practice.  And I practice
largely because it's FUN to practice.  And what makes it fun is that I
seem to be able to learn singing skills fairly easily so practice does not
get frustrating.

To contrast with this, I do not appear to have a talent for drawing
so that even when I practice, it takes a LONG time for me to notice
any improvement.  Accordingly, since it's not something I enjoy anyway
I don't practice nearly enough to improve at it.  I know some other
folks who do have a talent for drawing; and they've been scribbling since
they were kids same as I've been singing, and the results are the same;
they can do it very well.  But, again, it's practice; the talent is just
what makes it easy.  (And yes, this does make a difference - I occasionally
wish I could draw as well as my friends, but I do not feel driven enough
to do the kind of practice that would be required.)

To back up your point about practice - I HAVE held jobs as a professional
draftsman in spite of the fact that my artistic skills are low; I just
had to learn a specific subset of the skill involving drawing non-blobby
lines using a straight or curved edge, laying out the plan so that
everything fits and so on.  But in this case it was forcing myself to
do things that were only marginally interesting for reasons other than
personaly interest.  I don't think I would have done it if it had been
strictly hobby.  

--- msged 2.06
From: Kay.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Love songs...
Date: 4 Nov 92 17:11:23 GMT
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992

On <Nov 02 08:36>, eg1n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Eli Brian Goldberg) wrote to All:

 EB>Hmm...I assume there are probably good reasons for the current 
 EB>rules on
 EB>judging/entering songs in the OVFF songwriting contests 
 EB>(although, I admit
 EB>I don't know what they are... ;-)

 EB>Personally, I think that songs that have either been recorded on 
 EB>live or
 EB>studio tape in the past shouldn't be allowed; what's the purpose 
 EB>of having
 EB>a contest when most of the audience has heard the songs before?  

I'm not so sure that's a good assumption - there are far more filk tapes and
songs about these days than _I_ can afford to buy, and I doubt I'm that much
more broke than the average filker... 

--- msged 2.06
From: Joe.Bethancourt@f72.n114.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: my first filk..
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 05 Nov 92  08:40:00

 -=> Shadow Spear said to Joe Bethancourt on 11-03-92  18:04 <=-

 SS> Thank you! I wasn't sure if anyone would like it or not. How do I go
 SS> about getting UPDATE5.ZIP when you release it?

It will be available, like all my stuff, at HERALD'S POINT BBS in the Dallas
area. They take FILK, so watch for their tagline.

 SS> Also, if you sent the netmail letter about the SCA, I didn't get it.
 SS> (I think it was you, wasn't it?)

Hm! OK, if Kay will bear with it:


          THE SOCIETY FOR CREATIVE ANACHRONISM INC.
               What it is and what it does
                  (revised 05/03/1992)

 The Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA) was founded in 1966 in
 Berkeley, Ca., by Science Fiction author Diana Paxon and several of her
 friends. Over the intervening twenty-six some-odd years it has grown to
 almost 20,000 people all over the world, from all walks of life:
 computer phreaks, law officers, hippies, bikers, rednecks, college
 students, lawyers, doctors, paramedics, and just about anyone else who
 wants to live the Great Dream of Chivalry and of Honour.

 The SCA is a non-profit educational Corporation devoted to the study of
 the European Middle Ages and Renaissance by the actual physical re -
 creation and practice of the various Arts of these periods. These Arts
 include combat, music, clothing, technology, graphics and anything else
 relative to the periods of study.

 For display and practice of what the members have learned, the various
 chapters of the SCA, called Kingdoms, Baronies, Shires, Colleges,
 Principalities, and Cantons, hold functions known as Tournaments and
 Revels. At these functions period clothing is required; you must dress
 in appropriate clothing and act and react as near to the way a person of
 that time would. In this manner, the learning process becomes a "game"
 situation, and a great deal can be learned and discovered in a painless
 manner.

 Membership in the SCA costs $25.00 per year, and gets you the corporate
 publication, "Tournaments Illuminated" (quarterly) and your regional
 newsletter (monthly). There are 12 regions in the continental US.

 For more information, contact:

             The Society For Creative Anachronism Inc.
             Registrar
             PO Box 360743
             Milpitas, Ca  95035-0743

 The SCA can also be contacted at Science Fiction Conventions, and at
 most Renaissance Faires.

    (Courtesy of Ioseph of Locksley and the Barony of SunDragon)

                          * end *



... Computer possessed? Try EXOR.SYS!


--- WM v2.04/92-0475
From: Joe.Bethancourt@f72.n114.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: a tolkien filksong
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 03 Nov 92  09:55:00

 -=> Microsoc said to All on 11-01-92  02:13 <=-

 Mi> Title:        Earusalem
 Mi> Tune: Jerusalem (Vaughn Williamds?)

 Mi> And were those ears in ancient time
 Mi> Narrow and pointy at the top?
 Mi> And were they like the ears o f  men,
 Mi> Or like a rabbit's did they flop?
 Mi> And did the Elves get too upset
 Mi> When other races did them mock?
 Mi> And is it really true Legolas
 Mi> Resembled closely Mister Spock?

 Mi> Bring me my Foster's Guide of gold,
 Mi> Bring me the works of J.R.R.,
 Mi> Bring me some cash that I can fold
 Mi> Fro reference works from near and far!
 Mi> And I'll not cease from mentalk toil,
 Mi> Nor shall my books rest omn my shelf,
 Mi> Till I know how the ears would have looked,
 Mi> Of every self-respecting Elf.

ROTFL!

... <<< Tagline deleted by Nat'l Endowment for the Arts >>>


--- WM v2.04/92-0475
From: Kay.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Getting everyone involved
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 08 Nov 92  15:16:39

On <Nov 08 11:39>, Mike Liebmann (1:102/524) wrote to Kay Shapero:

 ML>Kay, you're correct: everyone should have the chance to sing if 
 ML>they want.  However, w/the filk hogs, they may just take turn 
 ML>after turn and someone who may try to get in is cut off rudely 
 ML>(as I myself have seen and experienced).

Which, as I said, makes it imperative that the rest of the singers do NOT let 
them.  No, it isn't easy.  Surprise... 

--- msged 2.06
From: S.S.B.Glover@bradford.ac.uk (SSB GLOVER)
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: Storytelling
Date: 12 Nov 92 11:37:12 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 92909131@ccw305
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

UUCP@ofa123.fidonet.org wrote:
 
:   Once upon a time (or maybe twice) the folks at Capricon experimented
: with an ad-hoc filk band providing the music for the Contra Dancers,
: and running the two events simultaeneously in the same room.  We'd 
: sing a few songs, then Roy & Donna would pass out some sheet music, and
: explain the steps in the next dance, and we'd play a dance tune, and
: then back to 'normal' filking.

Congratulations! You've re-invented the Ceilidh

Steve Glover (just back from Novacon where the *impromptu, non-programmed*
ceilidh was excellent, and I never did find the filk)