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From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Subject: Re: Angels (was: Re: more on Gormonbozia (spoilers))
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 17:30:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.115353.7332@ac.dal.ca>, 01sybok@ac.dal.ca wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Sep4.050141.4110@ttinews.tti.com>, lester@soldev.tti.com (jim) writes:
> 
> >  One more thing: in Laura's Secret Diary, didn't she say Bobby shot a man
> > who was chasing her (after she had nicked a bag of coke from the dealer's
> > house)?  She & Bobby were in the back of a pickup truck and left him dead
> > by the side of the road.
> 
> 
> She did. I remember reading it. so is this a) a continuity error, or b) did
> Bobby kill TWO people?

I wouldn't call it a continuity error. I would call it a decision to do the
movie version differently from the Diary.  They also handled the TB
investigation differently from the Autobiography. In it, it is Coop who
discovers the letter under the nail and there is no mention of the other
agents. While having them isn't inconsistent, having them finding the
letter is.

As Emerson said (but is widely misquoted, so I will probably disgrace
myself as well): "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."

A true continuity error is how they handled the chess positions and the
domino in the series, (though in the latter case, apparently the original
domino disappeared from props).

-Rich Haller
From: sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Laserdisk/Video version of FWWM
Date: 2 Sep 1992 00:12:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anableps.berkeley.edu



Okay it was stated that it appears that the missing scenses
will be tacked on to the Laserdisk version of FWWM, now what
about the video release?  Does that mean that the video version
will not contain the the cut parts? Darn, does that mean that
poor saps such as I, who Laserdisk equipment will never see
it all? 

Sally--Can someone confirm that Austin Lynch did not play the kid;
and if it was not him who did play him?--A. Wilson


-- 
And I'll see you//And you'll see me          ||    Sally  A.  Wilson
And I'll see you in the branches that blow   ||    Spud   Peel
In the breeze,//I'll see you in the trees    ||    sally@mica.berkeley.edu
Under the sycamore trees       (_Sycamore_Trees_  Lynch/Badalamenti)
From: floyd@maple.circa.ufl.edu (FLOYD)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: new
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:45:30 GMT
Reply-To: floyd@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA

Hello, Peaks Freak from Gainesville calling in.  New to internet, but trying
my best.  Wanted to rub it in that Angelo Badalamenti's nephew lives down 
the hall from me.  He was on the phone with David Lynch the other day getting
a letter of recommedation.  Something to do with the Eagle Scouts.
By the way, was it just me or was watching FWWM not like watching a movie,
but more like watching a dream?
Internet address: Floyd@ufcc.ufl.edu
Bitnet address  : Floyd@ufcc
All opinions expressed are my own or mine.
From: swk004@muvms3.bitnet (CONNIE LEINEN, SWK004@MARSHALL, HUNTINGTON, WV)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Black Dog
Date: 3 Sep 92 09:36:44 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

I saw the movie Saturday.  Last night, I decided to watch the first 
2-hour episode (yet again).

Curious, but in the opening shot of Josie.  They show what appears
to be a stylized, ceramic black dog.  Coincidence?  I think not.

Connie
From: as215@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alexander Aingworth)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Jack Nance
Date: 30 Aug 92 07:00:24 GMT
Reply-To: as215@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alexander Aingworth)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


	It seems Jack Nance was originally intended to reprise his role,
Pete Martell, but his scenes were removed in the final cut of Fire Walk
With Me.  What did Pete Martell do in the movie before he was removed?



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   any turkey
    can smoke!
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From: jgp@zodmate.Rational.COM (Jim Pellmann)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: FWWM on MTV
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:07:47 GMT

schultz@unixg.ubc.ca (Stewart Schultz) writes:

>There will be several taped interviews of the cast on MTV this next
>week -- MTV was at the TP festival in Snoqualmie last weekend
>interviewing anyone they could get their hands on.  They even
>got Lynch giving his intro speech to the movie audience.

MTV programming dept. says this *may* be on this Thursday's "Big Picture"
show (7:30 PM ET/PT).

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From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Subject: Re: Thoughts
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 16:44:25 GMT

In article <la87c1INNq99@news.bbn.com>, ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria) wrote:
> 
> More importantly, at least in the case of Teresa Banks, it's the LEFT
> arm, which is the one Mike is missing, which would be the arm that the
> LMFAP is.  (Remember, he stands where Mike's left arm would be when
> they are together in the Waiting Room/BlWhiteack Lodge.  (I don't
> remember if the arms that trembled in the series were left or right
> arms, though.)

They were right arms. Also the arm of BOB that appears first at the end of
the episode (2014) is his right arm. My memory is that is also the arm that
he uses to harvest the garmonbozia from Leland at the end of FWWM.

Significance? BOB is right handed, as are most people :-)
Wedding rings in the USA usually go on left hand.
OAM? Didn't have a choice. They were stuck with the fact that he is missing
his left.

-Rich
From: floyd@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: "Don't LOOK at me!!!!"
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:53:13 GMT
Reply-To: floyd@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Distribution: alt
Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA

In article <KWH.92Aug24151814@GLOBE.EDRC.CMU.EDU>, kwh@CS.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann) writes:
>
>
>"Phuck that Heineken sh.t!!! Pabst Blue Ribbon!!!"
>
>What's Frank's last name?
>
>thanks,
>Kevin

Frank Booth.


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To: Jim Pellmann
From: Netland
Re: Your composite post of TP discussions.

On behalf of TP fans, new and old, everywhere, THANK YOU!!

I never kept track of my original postings, some of which were included
in your list, and really wanted to see some of them again.  Reading the
discussions again brought back fond memories, and I can't thank you
enough for reposting them.

By the way, I saw the movie last weekend, and all I can say is 
"Wow, Bob, Wow!"  Let's hope it creates some similar discussions.
I think most of the TP fans who are going to see the movie have already
done so, and it has already played in most of the rest of the world,
so I really don't think massive spoiler protection is required. What's
everyone else think?


Brian WOOD    *House address 710 -- same as Blue Lady's apt in Blue Velvet
              *Live next to a grove of TREES
              *My wife's aunt's name is Annie; my sister's name is Anne
              *My wife grew up next to a forest; next street - Glastonbury
              *My father's name - Palmer Robert Wood
From: WALDER@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Walder Matthias)
Subject: FWWM: D. Bowie part
Organization: University of Ulm, Germany
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 06:10:38 GMT
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Hello fellows,

lots of confusion about the Bowie appearance in FWWM. First I want to say
that I liked FWWM really :-) I had expected some short minutes about Coop
leaving or staying in the black lodge...

So - my thoughts about the Bowie part were that he was also in the black
lodge for some years (2 if I remember exactly)... maybe he had the chance
to escape for some minutes and he decided to come to the FBI office?!?

Hm, maybe we'll see Coop for some minutes escaping in the next part of Twin
Peaks? :-)

That's it - greetings from Germany... Matthias

                  "This flame that burns inside of me -
	               I'm here in secret harmony
                         It's a kind of magic"
	     
  --- walder@dulruu51 --- walder@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de --- Ronin on IRC ---
From: kwest@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Kenneth C West)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Thoughts on Mike:
Date: 3 Sep 92 04:32:11 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I am not Ken West.

	My roommate Jeff Vita has been reading these posts arguing about
the good or evil nature of the OAM/Mike, and has a different take on it that
I think works better:

	Assume Mike truly did repent and is, if not *good*, at least
opposed to BOB. Okay, he tries his best to stop BOB before LP's murder, but 
afterward, in the red room, he collects garmonbozia out of mercy for
Leland!
	Look at it this way: If Leland had woken up the next day and remembered
what he'd done as BOB or been so covered in blood/evidence that he was accused
and convicted very quickly, he would have had more pain and sorrow than he
possibly could have handled. Mike, taking pity and showing Mercy, denies
BOB the thrill of letting Leland know and thus feeding off even more
Garmonbozia. Remember, BOB didn't look happy when MIKE/LMFAP demanded "their"
share of the pain and sorrow. He looked angry as all hell. So, while Leland
has to deal with the murder of his daughter, he is at least spared the
knowledge of what BOB did to his life through his own acts.
	It's not Leland's blood that BOB removes, it's Laura's: the evidence
that would have woken Leland up to the facts.
Xref: sparky alt.tv.twin-peaks:2195 rec.arts.tv:16926
From: sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: FWWM - minor quibbles
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:38:17 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <Btv7JC.9Dz@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:


>   It seemed as if Cooper kept going back and forth between the area
>the camera was surveying and the TV monitor for no good reason right
>before Bowie showed up.  Did I miss something?

i think he sensed time slowing down, as someone else mentioned.  so much
that he went to the display room first, saw nothing.  went to the
display room a second time, saw his arm in the door.  and then went
to the display room a third time, and saw himself stuck there in
time as jeffries walked by, unhindered by time.  just a guess?

sj		"Your prejudice won't keep you warm tonight" - m
From: kwh@CS.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: TP:FWWM script anyone?
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:42:50 GMT
	<KWH.92Sep3093705@GLOBE.EDRC.CMU.EDU>
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: kwh@GLOBE.EDRC.CMU.EDU


I write:

>   I have a hard copy of that posting sitting here on my desk.  
>   I'm not sure if I still have it on disk somewhere.  I'll look.

Well I looked.  I can't find it.  On the print out it shows that
I named that file 'junk'.  (and everyone knows that
files with that type of name are extremely volitile)

Maybe those two people I named in the previous post can help out.

Kevin
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From: mxl6@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael Lederman)
Subject: Ring in FWWM
Reply-To: mxl6@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael Lederman)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 04:23:20 GMT


Was the symbol on the ring in FWWM the same symbol that was on the wall of
the cave near the end of the series?

* * *

I thought Chris Isaak was EXCELLENT.  What a performance.

* * *

The part where the girl who played Annie Blackburn appeared in Laura's bed
was quite strange but made the whole story seem quite circular.  She
referred to Dale being inside the lodge but being unable to get out --
something which occurred near the end of the series.  It seemed like she
was warning Laura not to take the ring so that the whole series of events
would never occur.  It was like she was warning her from a later point in
time.  Did anyone else think this?

* * *

Can anyone explain the David Bowie part?  It didn't seem to fit in -- the
part about how he was never in the building but showed up behind Cooper in
the surveillance tape.  What did that mean?

* * *

All in all a superbly crafted, typically Lynch-ish film.

* * *

I just heard series co-producer Mark Frost has a new project.  Anyone know
anything about it?

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From: kwh@CS.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann)
Subject: David helps us out.
Originator: kwh@GLOBE.EDRC.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:01:20 GMT


Who didn't like the one subtitle that included 
the definition for Gormonbozia?   I think Lynch should
have ommitted the parenthetical definition and explained
in some other manner that it meant pain and suffering.

This was similar to all of the audience-heard thoughts 
in Dune.  i.e. Muad-dib: "My name is a killing word."

Kevin

p.s.  Then again, if he didn't put the definition in,  I 
	could be posting something like:

	Gormonbozia sounds like garbonzo beans which are
	actually chick-peas.  The chick that likes a lot 
	of peas is Mrs. Hayward.  So TMFAP and TOAM only
	wanted the same kind of peas that Mrs. Hayward eats.
	(that's not to much to ask for)

p.s.  I apologize to all of the N.O.W. members out there for
	the use of my word 'chick'.
From: akessler@bernard.ma.utexas.edu (Adam Kessler)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: let's rock
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:09:22 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at Austin Mathematics

I need help on the "Let's Rock" on the windshield. Where did that reference
come from?
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From: sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson)
Subject: Re: FWWM (Spoilers)
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 04:24:41 GMT

Joe Zitt writes:
|George D Emmons writes:
|| GORDON KNOWS ABOUT THE LODGE. Blue Rose, remember? Now, why
|| hasn't he said anything?

|I can't place a blue rose connection elsewhere in the show. What have I
|forgotten? (I know it was a significant thing in The Glass Menagerie,
|but I don't they were drawing any connection :-]).

this was mentioned several times.  first with the red lady.  then
when chet desmond told his partner that he couldn't reveal what
it stood for.  then when his partner realized that chet's return
to fat trout was blue flower stuff.  then one of the other fbi
guys (cooper, albert, bowie, can't remember) mentioned it.

|| 6) Why was Austin (Pierre Tremond) wearing a mask? I thought the 
|| mask was a one-time symbol of BOB, yet Austin was wearing the 
|| mask throughout the film.

|Note that Pierre was >not< Austin this time, but was played by someone else.

i noticed this as well.  i wonder why.  maybe he had too many other
prior engagements like donna did!

|Joe Zitt

anyone else notice that Madchen Amick now uses the umlaut.  much
more chic i guess.

let's rock!

sj		"Your prejudice won't keep you warm tonight" - m
From: salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory Salmieri)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Now we know who Mike is... (SPOILERS)
Keywords: Portrayal of Canada
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 09:53:05 EDT
Organization: UKP Systems, Middletown, NJ

georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel) writes:

> In article <H11FqB2w165w@zitt> zitt!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt) write
> >01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
> >
> >> 	So, I guess the Canadian tourism industry is in for a boom after
> >> that Pink Room scene ;-)
> >
> >Come to think of it, how far from Canada is Twin Peaks supposed to be? I
> >thought it was rather far away from it, but characters seem to get to and
> >from Canada rather quickly.
> >
> 
>  Twin Peaks is supposed to be really close to the Canadian border. Remember
>  that One Eyed Jacks is also in Canada (from what I understood). I don't
>  know about anyone else but, I am from Canada and I didn't particularly like
>  the impression they were trying to paint on Canadian bars, or Canada itself.
>  I mean when Laura enters "The Bar" in Canada to meet Jacques and Ronnette al
> 
>  you see is sex, drugs and rock and roll. I mean girls dirty dancing on the
>  floor like they were doing, stripping down, guys licking the breasts of
>  women and women being "eaten out" (Laura..under the table) and then have
>  Jacques (or someone) saying "Welcome to Canada" didn't seem too pleasing. I
>  for one would like to know of any bars in Canada which are like *that*. :-)
> 
>   -=*George*=-
> 
> 

I don't think they are trying to say that Canadin bars are sleezy. They are 
just saying that OEJ is in Canida so that it can not as easaly be linked 
with Ben Horn and that this other bar is in Canida because the wanted it to 
be neer OEJ

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| It's all a game...                                                        |
|                        Gregory C. Salmieri                                |
|                                                       ...It's all the same|
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From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Now we know who Mike is... (SPOILERS)
Organization: Clark University
Date: 1 SEP 92 21:48:55 GMT


In a previous article, 01sybok@ac.dal.ca wrote:
>I just realized something. The Little Man From Another Place is Mike.
>	Think about it: he "spoke" through the One Armed Man in the Lodge. I 
>would therefor say that he is "possessing"  the OAM in the same way BOB
>possesses Leland. We know the being possing the OAM is Mike. Therefore,
>the LMFAP is probably MIKE. Neat, eh?

Remember when the dwarf said "I am the arm?" I think he somehow represents
the evil that MIKE lost when he lost his arm and was "purified." 
But when did this supposedly happen to MIKE? After Laura's murder?

-
Bart "Webb" Tilney		|   "All of life is a blur 
Email: htilney@vax.clarku.edu	|    of Republicans and meat!"
From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: TP:FWWM -- The meaning of the last scene
Date: 29 Aug 92 18:37:55 GMT
Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco

Not really spoilers ahead, because you won't be able to make sense of
the following until you've seen the movie, but I'll put a red curtain
here just in case...



I think the very last scene is meant to answer the question:

	"How's Annie?"

and, as such, it actually provides a really nice ending to the whole series.

Read on if you want me to explain (spoilers ahoy):



Get ready for a LOT of reading between the lines.  :)

I think the final scene takes place after everything else in the movie
and the series -- that is, it'd fit in after Cooper back at the Great
Northern is bashing his head against the mirror and asking, "How's
Annie?"

The angel in the final scene is, I think, Annie.  She said earlier (in
bed with Laura) that the good Dale is trapped in the Black Lodge, so
that means that that's the good Dale in the final scene, along with
the good Laura trapped there.

She was also bloodied in the scene where Laura found her in bed, so
this might mean she'd struggled to escape the Black Lodge, but that
her purity finally saved her.  Cooper didn't make it out because he
wasn't completely pure; after all, he'd been in love with Catherine
Earle, and he'd been maybe dabbling a little too much in mysticism.
Laura in the Black Lodge is obvious -- the scene in the movie where
she leaves James shows that the good Laura still exists deep inside
her, but of course Bob's already got her, without question.

So this means that Bob's won, mostly.  The Cooper in the real world is
now owned by Bob, and he's got the real Cooper and Laura back in the
Black Lodge.  I don't know what's happening with Annie in the real
world -- Truman said "She's okay," but maybe he was only saying this
because he didn't want Cooper to have to deal with news of her death,
or maybe he just didn't know her condition.  I think Annie's real body
will either die soon or become a vegetable (no, not creamed corn ;-).

But Annie managed to escape the Black Lodge, and my guess is that
she'll go to the White Lodge, so even though the whole tale of Twin
Peaks ended like a good Shakespearean plan (with dead bodies all
around), there's still that one glimmer of something having gone
right.  Poetic justice.  :)

What do you think?

     << Brian >>

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From: bluegold@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Help--In Seattle and ready to visit Mecca!
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:05:44 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

Help!


I'm in Seattle and will be driving out to the Peaks this Friday.  Anyone in the
area interested in leaving info?

I'm at the Seattle Westin Hotel rm.#1039 

Any late braking info would help!  I've been cut off from this groups for about
5 weeks!



Cheers!



Don Kasprzak
From: sef@Kithrup.COM
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: FWWM - spoilers...
Date: 29 Aug 1992 12:24:09 -0700
Organization: UUNET Communications
NNTP-Posting-Host: ftp.uu.net

In article <Iebumjy00WBME1vCAt@andrew.cmu.edu> Jeremy Matthew Toeman <jt3h+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>This is actually a list of questions I have, but will spoil a few things..

>1] Was I the only one disturbed by the painting with the door on it? That
>was one of the more horrifying things I have ever seen.  In Laura's dream,
>when she walked through it, where was she?  Is this a possible entrance to
>either of the Lodges?

I knew the picture was going to do something like that, and, yeah, it
disturbed me too.  A lot.

>3] Did they forget to put in a scene of a letter being shoved under the
>girls' fingernails?? I *KNOW* they both had them. (Either that, or my
>memory is way-screwed)

No, they had it, it just wasn't made much of.

>6] Was the one-armed man the guy driving the truck? Didn't he make the same
>sound as the short dancing man (dont know his name) as he approached the
>Palmers in their Jag?

Yes.  The dancing man said, "I am the arm, and I sound like this."  When I
heard the sound as the One-armed man approached the Palmers' car, I suddenly
realized what that meant:  when the one-armed man cut off his arm, the
dancing man took on a life of his own in that other plane.

>9] When Laura said "Fire Walk With Me", why did she become like the
>evil-Laura, or however else you'd like to describe that?  And could someone
>refresh me of what became of Harold in the show? Did he kill himself or
>just leave?

Laura was becoming a vessel for BOB.  This was what she was most afraid of.

And, yeah, Harold killed himself in the series.  Hung himself, in fact.

>10] DId Leland ever know he was Bob until his final night on the show? If
>not, then I found much of this to have been inconsistent, and Bob should
>have done more of the fighting/anger scenes..

Yes and no.  Yes he knew, but I got the impression the knowledge was blocked
off.

One last comment on the movie:  if you disregard the supernatural angles,
and just concentrate on Laura, the movie does a good job of showing a young
woman who is losing her mind.  And that was the most frightening aspect of
it.

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