HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: pounding the "10%" figure into the ground: Nature, 12/3/92
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 08:18:35 GMT

I just bought Breathe's _Peace of Mind_ CD for $3.99 at the mall.
I'm familiar with them through a few of their singles ('Say a
Little Prayer', 'Does She Love That Man?'), and I really like the
lead singer's voice; kinda soulful, lots of articulate little
tremors, British accent making itself known occasionally. But I've
noticed after buying the album that they have awful lyrics. Not
much of a coherent thought-line being followed in the songs. An
example:

	'Say a Little Prayer'

Sweet sugar, pumping through my veins, everywhere is on a wire.
Sweet sugar - you say it's just a game, soon to be your one desire.
When the devil holds your hand, then you know he's in command
of temptation.
Like the beauty of a rose, or a summer that will go, where's salvation?

Say a little prayer, say a little prayer for me.
Say a little prayer, say a little prayer for me.

Sweet sugar, your world just tumbles down, how you hunger for illusion.
Sweet sugar, will take more than you own, all you have is your confusion.
You'll be standing in the rain, you'll be crying out in shame, for mercy.
So you turn to every man, say you need a helping hand, don't desert me.

(chorus.)

I don't know what I've done with my life,
I don't want to think of all this wasted time.
I was in search of paradise, yet this seems a heavy price to pay.

(chorus, chorus, chorus.)

Isn't that awful? It's just lots of phrases. But the singer's got a
pretty voice, and the group seems to look pretty all around, so I
think I can tolerate it.

(There's plenny more where that came from. Don't make me pull out
the heavy artillery... ignore Cramer. It's not nice to torment
harmless crackpots.)

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: 50 most popular motss.pix photos 10/21-12/26/92
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:23:37 -0500
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation
Distribution: world
Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
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dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> I think you'll find that the results are still interesting to note. 
>   46 amanda_walker_genie.gif 
>   37 amanda_walker_caricature.gif 
>   37 amanda_walker.JPEG 

Egads.  Too bad I'm not more attractive :)...


Amanda Walker
InterCon Systems Corporation
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Why not cure homosexuality?
Date: 31 Dec 92 02:11:10 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1hsnu0INNt4@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker) writes:
>>Sorry, but I'm not aware of any documented and confirmed case of anybody ever 
>>changing their sexual orientation (and believe me I've looked).  Some 
>>people have been known to forceably change their sexual behaviour and 
>>habits.  Some people who are in the Kinsey 2-4 range may find a 
>>different gendered SO at different times in their lives.
>
>What this seems to be saying is that it can *never* be demonstrated that 
>a person changes their orientation, since if they do, they can just be 
>said to have been 'in a middle range' and not really homosexual anyways. 
>If you can't measure someone's Kinsey rating, how can you determine 
>if he changed?  

No.  What this says is that sexuality is an extremely complicated thing
and difficult to define.  Society's intense homophobia will prevent any
honest truth from being learned about anything sexual until the
homophobia goes away.  Unfortunately, this lack of genuine knowledge 
doesn't appear to stop quacks from possibly doing serious damage to 
mixed up people.  This is evident by the repeated claims of "curing" 
homosexuality which have been exposed to be frauds.  Even the notion 
of "I use to be homosexual but now I'm heterosexual" is so ridiculously 
oversimplified as to expose a genuine naivete.  I'm sorry the Kinsey 
middle range ruins everything for those who think in terms of "cures".

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cjones@physci.ucla.edu (Chad Jones)
Subject: Re: Coming out at work - HELP!
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1
Organization: UCLA Physiological Science
     <19DEC92.15444939@enh.nist.gov> <47540@ogicse.ogi.edu>
     <1992Dec20.005554.16004@flood.com>
Date: 21 Dec 92 07:40:06 PST

In article <19DEC92.15444939@enh.nist.gov> , aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>It's a little too obscure for me at this point.  I've been looking for 
>something obvious, like one which says "Queer" or "Faggot."  Anyone have
>any suggestions?  One would think with all the witty t-shirts
>around, a coffee mug wouldn't be so difficult.

There's a store in West Hollywood called Don't Panic that has all kinds
of confrontational t-shirts.  My latest favorite: "Due to the change in
the administration, the light at the end of the tunnel will be turned
back on."  

They have a mail-order operation and the number is 1-800-DONT PANIC.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chad Jones                 | Do I need someone here to scold me or do I
Network Manager            | need someone who'll grab and pull me out of
UCLA Physiological Science | this four poster dull torpor pulling
cjones@physci.ucla.        | downward?                 -- 10,000 Maniacs
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Dolphie on British Television
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:13:31 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

After putting in a command performance (on one day notice,
I might add) at The Evil Empire of the North - I had the pleasure
of catching some evening television at the Bellvue Hilton
(which has a positively *yummy* errand-type boy...).  Two
English commedies caught my attention.  One for a Dolphie
clone and the other for having not one, but two creatures
per chance even more delicious than Jason Priestley...

The Dolphie clone appeared on "Are you Being Served" - a
delightfully suggestive title in and of itself. Those familiar
with the show will, no doubt, know immediately the character
of which I speak.  In the episode I saw - he appeared as
a Santa Clausette - complete with long white stockings...

The delicious characters appeared in "Keeping up Appearances."
One, a vicar, reminded me of a young Peter O'Toole.  Now
*there* is a priest little boys would *want* to be molested
by...  The other character was a "seventeen year old" biker
boy in black leather (with red hair) who was supposed to
make a bloated husband jealous of his wife.  *I* was certainly
jealous...

Oh, and on the Evil Empire - they have more than their fair share
of delectable little nymphs (that could pass for seventeen).  Is
Mr. Gates, perhaps, a jail-bait monger who has magnificent taste
to go with magnificent wealth?

*X*
From: jprigeon@hpscit.sc.hp.com (John Prigeon)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:20:37 GMT
Subject: Re: penis size (was Re: Muffin on Parade)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: soc.motss

bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:

>I look at it as just another physical characteristic like h or t or w.
>The interpretation you put onto it is your own.

Not always.  Just a walk down the beach with the muscle men displaying 
their sinew tells me that sometimes there's a little bit of 'self-
interpretation' going on.  That's probably true of e as well.

>Everybody thinks it's such
>a big goddam party to have a very large penis? 

Yunno, that's the impression I get, too, which was in the background of my
original post.  Men of all flavors, GB and S, seem to be enraptured by 
copious quantities of whatever they like.  Sitting around the lunch table 
at work, I get nauseated by hearing the straight men degrading women by
discussing 'jugs', 'knockers', 'pom-poms', etc, as if that were most 
important part of a woman.  I've also been privy to gay male conversations 
where the same kind of degradation was occuring, and I found it just as
distasteful.

On the other hand, I've seen magazine reports that say that women (straight)
consider the size of their lover's p-p 5th or 6th down the list of 
attractiveness, after sense of humor, personality, and other physical 
not-directly-sexual stuff.  Seeing this kind of report increases my respect
for women's perspicacity.

BTW, Brent, I've got a rocket in my pocket, too.  Wanna get together?

snicker-snicker,
jap
;^)

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: soc.motss.*
Keywords: Colours, miss thaaang, colours!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:13:14 GMT

gllow@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Gay and Lesbian Liberation of Waterloo) writes:

>Horrors, miss thaaang! One must *NEVER* use mauve and salmon together!

Hussy. I'm only trying to help...

(The tramp proceeds to tear all my lovely group names to ribbons)

Have you absolutely *no* clue? What I'm trying to do is create *moods*
here - feelings, seperate *auras* of *existance* for the various groups,
to give them each a special definitive *flavor*. Here, I've just whipped
out the heavy artillery (International Male)... We'll get some damn good
group names in a minute here...

soc.lesbigay.black.velvet
soc.lesbigay.gold.lame'	    <-- (I don't know about this one. would the
soc.lesbigay.rust.gabardine	accent be allowed in a group name? For
soc.lesbigay.faded.denim	some reason 'lame' just doesn't give off
soc.lesbigay.jade.silk		a good vibe...)
soc.lesbigay.fuschia.spandex
soc.lesbigay.leopard.mesh

For starters, anyway...

>>thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico
>					    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Hmmm.  If I see your estrellita, will you make me king for a day?

Cad. You're lucky I don't kick you in the teeth with my big fat platforms.

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You're like one of those... 'Cabbage Patch' creatures...
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Fallibility?
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:57:06 GMT
Organization: (getting there)



twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) scolds Brad Shapcott:
 >As long as we're talking about humanity, it would have been nice of
 >you to ascribe enough humanity to Mara to permit her to be fallible
 >every now and then.


Oh thanks,Tim, but that's really not necessary.


-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: leslie@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Leslie Farnell)
Subject: Re: Coming out at work - HELP!
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:02:27 GMT

I just got myself announced at our office party as a man whose tuba has taken
him to unlikely places like the Bankstown Trots, marching for Kentucky Fried
Chicken, and playing in the (Gay & Lesbian) Mardi Gras Parade. This was a
lead-in to performing the Queen of the Night's aria as a tuba solo in the
show. (Well what else could I do?)

I guess this counts as coming out to the 80 or so people who don't work in
my group. (The latter have nearly all met my other half anyway.)
Interestingly, the only vaguely relevant comment anyone has made is that 3 or
4 of the women have independently asked why I don't wear my ear-ring more
often.

Les

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark on New Years Eve
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 18:03:04 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1992Dec23.003911.1813@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>Time magazine reports that people are steal the Marky Mark ads off of
>bus stations in L.A.

That's also true in San Francisco ( "The City" ) as well.  I spoke to
someone at Gannet (sp?) and they said the ads were usually lifted in 
less than 5 days from Muni Bus Shelters.

...Max
-- 
+-----------------------------------------+
|  max@queernet.org  |   Max J. Rochlin   |
+-----------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara)
Subject: Re: Private antidiscrimination policies in CO (was Re: Attention...)
Date: 01 Jan 93 19:48:51 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <28@bbx.basis.com> scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker) writes:
>In article <C04vHy.55z@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
>
>The local gay organization was up in arms recently over a firing of
>a gay employee from a "Lot-a-burger" chain restaurant.  It seems
>that another employee complained to his mother about having to
>work with a homosexual.  The mother made a big stink and Lot-a-burger
>fired the gay employee.

     Once, just once, I'd like to hear the manager say "OK, ma'am,"
and promptly fire her son.


>  The employee's manager was quoted as
>admitting that the gay employee was one of their best workers (not
>a smart thing to say when you're facing a potential lawsuit).

     Agreed.  Has a lawsuit been filed yet?

				-Phil
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Phil Lafornara         				1 Microsoft Way         
philipla@microsoft.com				Redmond, WA 98052-6399 
Note:  Microsoft doesn't even _know_ that these are my opinions. So there.
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (A Frank Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Top GLB Fiction (actually Delany)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 18:35:17 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec18.044839.5874@leland.Stanford.EDU>

Steve Dyer talks with Bill Hsu about Samuel Delany:

>In article <1992Dec22.124058.3613@nic.csu.net> hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu writes:

>>Well which of Delany's books have you read, Steve? Do tell.
>
>_The Motion of Light in Water_, which is really wonderful.  He really
>should write a follow on to his autobiography.  The man _can_ write; I
>just don't find the fiction he writes very interesting.  I found both
>"Stars in My Pocket..." and "Dhalgren" to be impenetrable and unrewarding.
>Boring.

>Steve Dyer

I liked "Dhalgren" myself, though it did go on too long.  Some interesting
characters and situations and one of the first mainstream things I'd
read where homosexual liasons were matter-of-factly an integral part of
the environment.

"Stars in My Pocket Like Grains of Sand", though, I found to be completely
unreadable.  I've since read a review which claimed that "Stars" was
supposed to be some kind of breakthrough in reader participation in
the creation of the novel.  Uh-huh.  The only creation I participated
in with that book was one king-sized headache from trying to get an
inkling as to what the hell it was trying to say.

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Age-ism and the gay community
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:10:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.031736.26965@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> In article <1992Dec21.202931.19993@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
> >It still felt to me like he was considerably my
> >junior. (We're still friends, BTW, and at 37 he should seem like a
> >contemporary, but because of that history he feels "younger" in a way
> >that Steve Dyer, say, does not.)
> 
> Well, how should we go about to "fix" this, er, problem?  Eh? :-)

Problem? Maybe I should have been a little clearer about which part of
the "history" makes me feel that way...

> For example, I am still somewhat footloose,
> probably more than I ought to be, whereas annuities and mutual funds for
> maximizing his return for his retirement plan have seized my lover's
> imagination.  At age 47, age 65 comes upon you very quickly.  Or so I'm
> told. :-)

Interesting... I'm about Tony's age, and retirement still seems like a
long way off. Of course, that might be because *I* have a lover who's
rather closer to it than I am.
From: dise@decoy.uoregon.edu (David Casti)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Child Molesters (Re: Youth Info Needed)
Date: 22 Dec 1992 21:03:58 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dise@oregon.uoregon.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: cisco-ts2-line33.uoregon.edu

In article <1992Dec20.185658.28267@news.ysu.edu> ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley  
Miller) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) says:
> 
> >In article <1992Dec19.040206.28702@news.ysu.edu> ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley  
Miller) writes:
> >>
> >>Children are not able, physically (before puberity), emotionally, or 
> >>psychologically, to handle the responsibilities and pressures of a 
> >>sexual relationship. (This is well documented, unlike many of the claims
> >>made in this forum by those who would equate everything homosexual with
> >>NAMBLA)
> >
> >
> >Damn, thanks for telling me, I hadn't realized that I couldn't handle
> >doing my best friend walter at seven, and my upstairs neighbor at nine.
> >No doubt the fun I was incapable of handling resulted in severe emotional
> >scarring.  
> >
> 
> Oh, come on.
> 
> Are you seriously trying to equate a couple of kids playing "Doctor" with
> the effect on a child of being fucked by a thirty year old?

These exchanges *ALWAYS* degenerate, but I feel like I should pipe up whenever  
NAMBLA is discussed.  Let me say that I am not now, nor do I ever anticipate  
being associated with them in any way.  With that out of the way.

Kelly, you made yourself pretty clear at the outset, and I dispute your basic  
premise: that there are people "in control of their faculties" and there are  
those who are not.  Let's shift this argument to ANY other activity -- eating,  
sleeping, drinking, talking, thinking -- and your approach comes apart.

I assert that is because the subtext here is, "sex is bad, unclean and
unnatural".  I don't accept that.  I don't accept that sexual activity or
relations in and of themselves are damaging or detrimental.  The damage
does not occur until society interferes or a power struggle ensues.  In
either case, the sex act did not cause the damage -- what came after did.

THIS can be seen both ways -- if an adult and a child have a power
struggle around eating, chances are very good the child will grow up with
some neuroses related to eating.  If there is no power struggle and the
child simply experiments or experiences food without the psychoemotional
drama, they avoid the neurosis-creating anxieties.

Also, try reversing the emphasis of your statement ("...a thirty year old  
being fucked by a child?") and see how silly it seems.  Surely you're not  
going to say that no child ever wanted to fuck at thirty-year-old... I can  
produce several people who did/do/have.

As this heats up, we might all consider moving to email... although now that  
I've made my position clear I don't expect to say much more.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Posting Styles
Organization: (getting there)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 13:53:06 GMT


thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:

 >What? I'm not even sure if I remember this (That sounds awful, doesn't
 >it? I don't mean it that way...). When did they extend the invitation?
I dunno.  Wait until Steven gets back (tomorrow, I think, but I'm
sure he'll have massive catching up to do) and ask him.  Steven
Levine, that is.
 >(Jeez, Mara, thanks a lot. One does not confront people in public like
 >this...) I really hope I didn't *snub* them...
Well, I *tried* to send email to your father in Maryland, but his
machine bounced it.

   >>(I hope your fathers are attending to this.  I think they ought to
   >>attend to your upbringing.)
 >Lord knows you've already got the upbraiding taken care of...
Is that why you shaved your skull-- to prevent further upbraiding?
Isn't it a chilly time of year for that style, where you are?
I hope you have a hat.
-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: The bored and the boring ...
Organization: People's Front of Judea
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:19:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.094911.226@gems.vcu.edu> kkenny@gems.vcu.edu (Karen Kenny aka Mel) writes:
>In article <BzGytH.1722@austin.ibm.com>, alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss) writes:
>> 
>> THE PROBLEM WITH FEMINISM, IN ONE EASY SENTENCE:
>> 
>> Feminism is too boring, and takes itself too seriously.
>
>So is self-centeredness, arrogance...

Clearly you've never read Wilde.
-- 
Andrew Solovay    
                "I know that, in America and under capitalism,
                 I am the freest woman in history."
                                --- Camille Paglia
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: Soc.motss Reorganization - Proposal Collection/Voting Procedure
Followup-To: soc.motss
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 14:54:13 GMT

In article <Bzqr1s.5C2@demon.co.uk> gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk 
 (Graham Toal) writes:
>In article <1992Dec23.152308.3185@exu.ericsson.se> 
 exukev@exu.ericsson.se (Kevin Autrey) writes:
>:I will also begin collecting votes from the soc.motss/soc.bi
>:readership on which proposal is best/most-popular.  Only one vote per
>
>Does this have anything to do with soc.bi?  This is the first we've heard of
>any reorganisation, and as far as I know we've no interest in or reason to
>reorganise soc.bi.  [...]

I would mostly second this response. A careful reading of the proposed
procedures seems to make it clear that the reorganization is only
of soc.motss, though people might draw other conclusions on a first
look because of the cross-posting. I don't mind being informed of events, 
and I agree that soc.bi is functioning pretty well as a net.community
on it's own, and has shown no desire to reorganize itself.

I'm a sporadic reader of soc.motss, (with the assistance of trn and the
"J" key), and I can live with the existing state of affairs, but would
support any rational reorganization that made it easier to find
particular topic areas.

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
                      |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Private antidiscrimination policies in CO (was Re: Attention...)
Date: 31 Dec 1992 16:27:01 GMT
Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center
NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com

d000dlphi@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (David Speakman) writes:
> 
> In a civil case of breech of contract, you'd have to prove that NO OTHER
> reasons were used in the firing. The company could get out of it simply by
> stating that you weren't living up to job expectations.
> 
> Even though you know it was for sexual orientation.
> 
> Bites, huh?
> David

I don't think that would work, unless your job evaluations showed you 
really *were* a bad employee.  And WHY would a company fire a good 
employee *just* because he is gay?  

Walter