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From: holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise)
Subject: Re: TO VIKING FANS, 49ers will whip Vikings this 12-13-92
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 19:42:46 GMT

In article <ft0q66a@lynx.unm.edu> metv@triton.unm.edu () writes:


>Finally I see a decent 49ers fan.  I was beginning to hate 49ers because of
>their fans.  All of this highly woofing about 49ers and putting down everyone
>else team does not making me respect 49ers fans.  I think 49ers is a great team
>and could win SB; but great team could fall too.  I was thinking that if
>the 49ers don't go to SB or win it, I will laugh so hard until my tears come
>out.  

>Metro 

I think MOST 49er fans are decent people.  I am a 49er fan and, of course, I 
want the 9ers to go to the Superbowl.  However, I'm not as sure about it as 
everyone else seems to be.  Dallas looks mighty tough to me.  I do hope you 
don't have to laugh so hard tears will come out though.  Therefore, GO 
NINERS!
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holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
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From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Subject: Re: Steve Young vs Randall Cunningham
Date: 16 Dec 92 11:33:09 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: na

In article <1992Dec15.204946.6130@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gideon Avrahami) writes:
>ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>>The 49ers would never have allowed a player of Keith Jackson's 
>>caliber to walk. 
>
>Unless his name was Ronnie Lott.
>

I don't think Ronnie is a good example, he was old when the 49ers left
him on plan B. Granted he has lasted longer than they expected, but the 49ers
alway seem to trying to get new blood in there. Jackson on the other hand
is in his prime.

Tom Wolf
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:30:09 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
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From: matjmm@gsusgi1.gsu.edu (J. Morgan Morris)
Subject: Re: BEST team wins Re: Dallas vs Skins
Organization: Georgia State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:35:43 GMT

lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:

>In article <1992Dec17.180414.7212@asl.dl.nec.com> nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix) writes:
>>If you go by your logic, Dallas gave two away against the Rams and the Skins.
>>It all evens out, Ed.  When Dallas beat Washington like a drum at Dallas, I
>>took it as evidence that the Boys were winning the division.
>If by my logic, which originates from the guy who claimed "Dallas LOST the
>game", then Washington shouldn't have lost to Dallas at Dallas, nor at
>KC, nor at New Orleans. Afterall, they were the defending champs.  
>In other words, the Skins should be 14-0 right now and 2-game ahead of the 
>49ers for the #1 seed. Case closed.

Not. Dallas clearly blew the game with the Redskins. Stupid mistakes. Whether
Troy fumbled or not, Emmitt should have just sat on it. Although the other
plays in the game were important, this was most critical, since it put the
Cowboys behind and they never recovered. I agree with whoever said that
Dallas lost the game.

>See, I didn't invent this logic. Some Cowboy apologist did.

I don't think anyone is apologizing for their stupid mistakes....

>Is this screw-up logic? Bingo, I am sure you guys will say so.

>>Last year was a fluke year for Rypien.  
>How do you know that the last three months weren't some fluke months for Aikman?

He was a top draft pick for a reason -- talent. It takes about five years
for a professional quarterback to develop. Troy has shown improvement
every year he's been in the league. Can you argue with that?


>-- 
>                                          Edward Lor
>                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
>                                          
-- 

John Morgan Morris
Department of Mathematics and Computer Science
Georgia State University
University Plaza
Atlanta, GA. 30303-3083

Internet: matjmm@gsusgi1.gsu.edu
Telephone: (404) 651-2253
FAX: (404) 651-2246

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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 08:10:07 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
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From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: THE FOOTBALL GODS HAVE SPOKEN!!!
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:19:30 GMT


  All in all, I find that JOHN P. GLORIA's postings have less value than a
  pimple on Babe Laufenberg's butt.

  Basically, just ignore him, like you do when you're on the bus and someone
  cuts a really nasty fart. Soon enough, the smell (GLORIA) will go away.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
From: walid@ucrstat4.ucr.edu (walid al-sabah)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Another Broncos joke
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:02:18 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside


 I read this a couple of years ago in the SF chronicle

On a highway in  Colorado a speed limit sign says
Speed limit 55 
Denver Broncos 7.


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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: The Dynasty Continues..........
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:55:52 GMT

In article <1giiubINNpp1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> lpc4@po.CWRU.Edu (Lawrence P. Colucci) writes:

>ONe of the main reasons that the 49ers win much of the time is the
>smae thing that is happening to baseball - money.  The owner of the
>49ers, DeBartolo (from my hometown, Youngstown, OH) has put so much
>money into the team, and pampers them so much that they have no
>excuse not to win.  

Whine, whine, whine.  If money were the panacea you suggest, owners would
be running to spend it.  Drawing from another sport, I suggest you go ask
Gene Autry and George Steinbrenner about buying guaranteed success.  And
as you pointed out later in the post, teams like Pittburgh [and Minnesota]
have enjoyed modest successes spending much less than teams who couldn't
hold a candle to them.

The Niners are successful because they have an owner who, after a false
start with Joe Thomas, took a chance and hired someone who proved to be
one of the best minds in the game.  DeBartolo then made the second right
move and gave Walsh the leeway to ingrain his winning ways into the 
system, so that upon his departure, it would continue.  The real question
mark is whether Seifert is developing his assistants the same way that
Walsh did.  If so, the success could go on for a long, long time; if not,
it could stop with George's departure someday.
-- 
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SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikings
Date: 11 Dec 1992 20:15:13 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1gaje4INNclb@male.EBay.Sun.COM> arth@sudshead.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>
>One thing to note about the Vikes is they always lose the second to last game
>of the year. Always when they need a win they screw it up.
>
   Okay, now that you've expained, with great detail I might add, why the
   Vikes will lose against Pittsburgh, would you care to tell us how they'll
   do against the 'Niners? Or don't you have the third-to-the-last-game-of-the-
   year results for the Vikes? :)

   A Packer fan not even thinking about a Division title, 

   --salty


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From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: Re: BEST team wins Re: Dallas vs Skins
Keywords: Dallas, Washington, San Francisco, GB, Minnesota
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:40:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.165345.15155@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>I only saw the 2nd half. I saw the Skins outplaying the Boys, outscoring 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>them 13-0, having a 3-0 edge in turnovers, having a couple long 
>drives that resulted in only 2 FGs.  Had it not been an "overrated" 
>quarterback, it could have been a 21-0 advantage, Skins, 17-0 at the 
>worst.
>
>As far as the 1st half is concerned, the Boys were lucky that they
>scored the TD with 9 seconds left, when Silly Wilbur gave them a
>2nd chance.

Good one, Lor.  You're now one up on Meeks.          

GT


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From: mcs@fps.com (Mike Sanfratello)
Subject: Re: THE FOOTBALL GODS HAVE SPOKEN!!!
Organization: CRAY Research
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:04:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.091813.6264@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.062750.3238@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>>[ pure, petty whining from Gary "the nowhere man" Strand deleted ]

Gloria, you are definitely overmatched here - better run home and get
your Mommy or your big brother Ed (g)LOR(ia) to help you out.

mike
From: k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (The Scarecrow)
Subject: This crap about 49ers winning cause of bad calls....
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 01:14:26 GMT

I just don't get it... How can a team go 12-2 and win all those by
bad-officiating (sp?) ?  If you REALLY payed any attention to the
game, you would have noticed that the questionable calls were going
both ways.
  ie:  Late in the 4th quarter, SF was pinned deep in their 
territory when the Vikes sacked Young.  Anyone see #99 come rushing
in early?  The announcers said mentioned it briefly, but if the 
Vikes would have scored, that play would have outshined the others. 

By the way, wish the Vikes would lend the 9ers some pass rushers :) 

   
   K-->   k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu

Ps.  Ohh, by the way, to all you self proclaimed "anti-Whiners"  I 
     have 1 thing to say:  SCOREBOARD!   
--
From: neierka@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Kent A. Neier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Date: 13 Dec 1992 02:09:10 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: neierka@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Kent A. Neier)
NNTP-Posting-Host: b103-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

Ramesh Hariharan writes
>In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan)  
writes:
>**************************************************************************
>Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
>Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
>Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)

Well, I think that after seventy some posts, we are ALL amused that you
can waste so much bandwidth with so little effort.

(How many times should I post this to get it through your head that this
is NOT funny)?

Kent
neierka@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN P. GLORIA)
Subject: Re: Aikman admits to fumble?
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:44:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.083225.14292@wheaton.wheaton.edu> klbartle@david.wheaton.edu (Kevin Bartlett) writes:
>>What is
>>the exact rule anyway?  Does the QB have to simply be moving his arm forward,
>>or does his arm have to pass his head, or does the ball have to leave his hand
>>for it to be an incomplete pass when the ball is knocked away by a defender?
>>I've heard all three so far.  It's not really important, but I just want to
>>know if the refs are calling these things consistently.  Thanks for any
>>answers folks.
>
>The rule is:  the arm must be moving forward for it to be called an
>incomplete pass.
>
>The rule _should_ be:  the ball must leave the qb's hand for it to be called
>an incompltete pass.
>
>How do they know he wasn't pump-faking?  
>
>A pass is throwing the ball.  Until the ball leaves his hand, the qb hasn't
>thrown it yet.  How can it be an incomplete pass?
>
>Despite my belly-aching and wishful thinking, the rule remains forward
>motion of the hand.  Stupid.  Almost as stupid as getting rid of instant
>replay.
>
>					. . . the Mantis
>					      (Evinrood)
>

It is purely academic to second-guess or whatever! The game
was played Sunday and it is over. The Cowboys Loss and the
Redskins Won. No amount of Monday-POST-QB'ing will change
anything. The Cowboys had their chance to win the the game
but they blew it. The Skins took it and they deserved it.
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
	"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
  is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
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From: jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
Subject: Re: Shouldn't Emmitt's fumble be an incomplete pass?
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah
Distribution: inet
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:02:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.204607.16427@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu> alan@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Alan Martin) writes:

>OK, if you buy that Aikman fumbled (and I'm undecided), then you get Emmitt
>Smith picking up the ball and shoveling it forward in an attempt to get the
>ball to (I believe) Alfredo Roberts.  This was undeniably outrageously stupid,
>*BUT*, what I want to know is why wasn't *that* ruled an incomplete pass?

No, a player who picks up a fumble is not allowed to throw the ball forward, 
only lateral. If they ruled Emmitt's cough-up a pass, then it would have 
been an illegal forward pass, and therefore a safety.


Jeff Jonsson
Marriott Library System Support, University of Utah.
==============================================================================
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From: jmartin@ntmtv.UUCP (Jeff Martin)
Subject: Re: WILDCARDS, READ THIS!
Originator: jmartin@cleomed
Organization: Northern Telecom Incorporated
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:13:41 GMT

From article <11543@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>, by debry@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (Ron DeBry):
> In article 1@pembvax1.pembroke.edu,  harper@pembvax1.pembroke.edu writes:
>>In article <Bz9q53.B9B@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, nrau@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Nicholas Naveen Rau) writes:
> [...]
>>Also, picture this.  If (big IF) Washington Wins the next two and Dallas
>>lossess its next two (its possible) .  They will both have a 11-5 record, so
>>who will win the Division?  Could be very interesting!
> 
> 
> Well, since Dallas has yet to clinch the division title, I'd have to
> guess that Washington would win in this scenario.
> 
> 
> 

The tiebreaker in this scenario would go like this:

	Overall Record:		Tied at 11-5
	Head to Head		Tied at 1-1
	DIVISION Record		Wash:5-3, Dallas 6-2

The result is.....

	WASHINGTON will not win the NFC East under
	any circumstances barring a plane crash.

Jeff Martin
From: v066pwk9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (BRUCE YAEGER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Good weekend for Buffalo sports teams.
Date: 21 Dec 92 03:40:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

The Buffalo Sabres beat the Toronto Maple Leafs.
The Buffalo Bills beat the New Orleans Saints.
The Buffalo Blizzard beat the Harrisburg Somethings.
The Buffalo Bandits beat the New York Saints.

Too bad that its not baseball season yet.

Bruce, a Bills fan. 
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From: ajj@zycor.lgc.com (Andrew Jackson)
Subject: Re: Dream TEAM
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:52:07 GMT

tswilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>Lets play FANASTY football... You are the coach and you have to pick:
>1-QB
>2-HBs
>3-receivers
>1-Defense team
>1-Kicker
>
>Who will you pick to help your team look good??

This posting is fun! To business...

QB: Steve Young - very good passer and an elusive scrambler. My personal
    pick going away.

HB: Ricky "Running" Watters
    Emmitt (sp?) Smith

WR: Jerry Rice
    Michael Irvin
    Deion "Priiiiime Tiime" Sanders ;-) - why not!

Team Defense: Tougher to choose an entire team, so I'll equivocate:
    New Orleans  or
    Philadelphia (when healthy) or
    Kansas City

Kicker: Punts - Reggie Roby
        Field goals - Morten Andersen (if Daluiso could get some
				       accuracy...)

Coach: George Seifert. If he asks for too much money, then
       Bill Cowher (done a vy. good job at Pittsburgh and IMHO deserves
		    coach of the year).

========================================================================
Andrew J. Jackson                     voice: 512-282-6969
Landmark/Zycor, Inc.                  fax  : 512-280-6731
220 Foremost Dr.                      email: ajackson@zycor.lgc.com
Austin, TX 78745
========================================================================
From: stasica@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (The Legacy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Play of the Day (Skins/Dallas)
Keywords: Lucky Break! Aikman
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:22:16 GMT
Organization: Mile High Madness

In article <douthit.724363040@scofflaw> douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit) writes:
>What is it you want me to admit ?  Aikman is not the greatest quarterback
>to ever play.  Was it Aikmans fault that he drove to the 38 yard line when
>time was running out and got sacked by a guy who was never even touched ?
>That wasn't Aikman's fault.  It was, however, Aikman's fault that he
>fumbled in the end zone.  However, it was the cumulative mistakes of
>Aikman, Emmit, and Irvin that cost the Cowboys the game.

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I love hearing all these Dallas
fans squirm and make excuses for why their team lost.  Finally, we get a
break from all the un-deserved bragging (read: no one deserves to brag, only
to praise)
-- 
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