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From: qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord")
Subject: Re: Answers to questions (Greedo, Hobby)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:33:34 GMT


	No, we never saw Hobbie in a snowspeeder (you're
thinking of Wedge), although I think he was supposed to be the
guy who said "Two fighters against a star destroyer?"

	Anyway, these are the Rogues:

Rogue Leader: Luke
Rogue Two: Zev
Rogue Three: Wedge
Rogue Four: Hobbie
						-Quinn
From: meierdalepau@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: "why don't all you star wars fans get a life" thread
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:36:47 CST
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

	Well, since everyone is in the mood for naming movies members of 
the Star Wars trilogy cast have appeared in, here's my addition.

Carrie Fisher:  The Burbs
Sir Alec Guinness:  Bridge Over the River Kwai


Dale Meier
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 12:00:34 MST
From: julie@alaska.et.byu.edu (Julie Gritton)
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: New Questions
Reply-To: julie@bones.et.byu.edu

lars4752@mach1.wlu.ca (Bradley Larsen u) writes:


> Got some more questions for the net.

> 1)  Supposedly the time between TESB and ROTJ is 6 months.  How long did it
> take Boba Fett to reach Tationne sp? If it only took say a couple of weeks
> why would he still be hanging around Jabba's palace after 6 months?  

Looks to me like he's bodyguarding the place while waiting for his
next assignment.

> 2)  What did Lando do to deserve his General rank?  He says during ROTJ 
> "someone must've told them about my manuver on ?".  When did he do this 
> act of bravery?  It couldn't have been between the movies because at that
> time wasn't he trying to infultrate Jabba's palace?

It was the battle of Tanaab, a little border skirmish in which Lando
played a rather heroic part.  It's described in one of the books, but
I can't remember which.  This occurred pre-SW so Han must have been
the "someone" who told on him.

> 3)  Does Darth Vader have a rank?  I know his title is Lord, but wouldn't 
> a lord be above rank of a Grand Moff (ANH - Tarkin)?

It's pretty apparent that Lucas wasn't quite sure what to do with
Vader in ANH.  After his immense popularity and his impact as a bad
guy, Lucas built a lot more of the story around him and gave him
higher rank as warranted.  In the first movie he seems to be just "A
Lord of the Sith" but by the third movie he's the Emperor's right hand
man.

> 4)  Where did the emporor get all of his evil powers?

Use the Force, Luke.

> 5)  What kind of weapons do the emporor's guards use?

Nifty blasters that match their nifty robes.

> 6)  In ANH, when the MF encounters the TIE fighter scout (near Alderaan) Han
> flicks a switch, and some guns start firing above the cockpit?  Are these
> just secondary type weapons that were originally on the ship or are they one
> of Han's special modifications?

I think you'd have to ask Han that one...

> 7)  What is your favorite ship/vehicle from Star Wars? (mine's the ATAT)

The Millenium Falcon, hands down.  I still get a lump in my throat
when I see her maneuvering through the clouds at Bespin.

> 8)  Who is the character(s) you would have liked to seen more of in the movies?
>     (I always wished that the Han would have ran into IG-88 somewhere along
>      the line, but Boba Fett's still pretty cool.) 

Wedge Antilles.  Sharp, cool, and in command in the third movie, they
could have done a lot more with him than just made him a yes man for
Luke and Lando.

"You could use a good kiss!"		JULIE
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From: jwalsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Jason Walsh  )
Subject: WARNING: Contains a reference to Biggs!
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:44:29 GMT

	I was just wondering if there is (or was) any footage of 
the Biggs scene.  I'm not asking if the scene appeared in the theatrical
release!!!!!!!  I mean in television specials, promos etc.  I was
kind of hoping that From Star Wars to Jedi might have the scene, 
in the way it had the Jabba scene from ANH, but alas...

I find it hard to believe that all of those " discussions" about
Biggs could have evolved from the photos in the Storybook alone.

JASON WALSH

Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:06:58 -0500 
From: John Michael Santore <jsbh+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: why don't all you star wars fans get a life
	<1g90dqINN912@agate.berkeley.edu>
Distribution: world

Just a random comment....

What if they guy accidentally left himself logged in.... HEY it happens....
He could currently be in deep shit for something he didn't even do.

I think that it's mighty harsh for anyone to send mail to his
administrator, at the very least on the first time he was being a
schmuck.  Also, who are any of you to play God anyway... are you gonna
yell at me because I say 'shit'?  or 'damn'? or 'fuck'? or whatever? 
Where's the line drawn, and WHO draws it?  I don't support the guy who
caused this, but I support the reaction against it even more.  

Besides, his post was just flame bait anyway... why even give it that
much attention.  IF you didn't realize that than you ARE pretty clueless.


Any comments or flames are welcome.... BUT keep em to email.

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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: why don't all you star wars fans get a life -- Some new ?'s
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:21:05 GMT

lars4752@mach1.wlu.ca (Bradley Larsen u) writes:

>In TESB, why the heck does Vader torture Solo?  Even Solo himself says they
>didn't ask him any questions.

Because Vader is a Bad Guy.  Also, I'm sure Vader was just itching for a
chance to get back at Solo for his sneak attack at the Battle of Yavin.

>In ROTJ don't you think Leia and Luke should have been a little more 'banged
>up' after they fall off their speeder bikes?  If I remember correctly the
>speeder bike can travel up to 200 mph (or 200 kmh? can't remember the units)
>Even if they were travelling at half the speed its likely they would've been
>killed.  

The easy answer is that Luke and Leia are the heroes of the film, and
therefore stunts like jumping from speederbikes aren't particularly life-
threatening for them.  We could further argue that the ground vegetation of
Endor helped cushion the fall somewhat.  Also, since Luke was apparently
well-trained in acrobatics by Yoda, it seems likely that he'd know how to
roll with a fall.

>In ANH, is Greedo considered to be a bounty hunter or just one of Jabba's
>'henchmen'?

I get the impression that he's an independent scumbag.  Jabba's employees
(Lando in ROTJ aside) appear to be a fairly loyal bunch; if Greedo had been
one of Jabba's henchmen, it seems unlikely that he would've offered to let
Han go in exchange for his ship.

>In ROTJ, Luke struggles vainly to get Vader to the shuttle at the end of the
>movie.  Why didn't he use the force to levitate him to the ship?

Beats me.  Levitating Vader's corpse would've taken quite some mental effort,
though, and Luke wasn't exactly in tip-top shape at the time.  Given the
circumstances, Luke probably felt it would be more feasible to just physically
drag Vader along.



                                      --Steve Stelter
                                        sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: hagerman@ece.cmu.edu (John Hagerman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: What in the galaxy were we thinking?!
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:57:38 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

<GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> ...
> I'm beginning to believe that these 3 films will be vastly different from
> anything anybody has come up with yet.

I certainly hope so.  I suppose more films in the same style would
fly, but I would much rather see different styles for each trilogy.
I'd hope that a clever director could pull this off, but after that
other movie (can't remember the name, the one with dwarfs etc. where
the bad guy was tall and dressed in black) I sometimes wonder...

- John
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From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Subject: Re: Lucas the literary genius?
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 05:53:30 GMT

In article <~o#@byu.edu> julie@bones.et.byu.edu writes:
>I'm sorry, but George Lucas is not a Tolstoy or a Dostoevsky or a
>Kafka, and he can't even begin to hold a candle to Dickens.  Don't get
>me wrong, I love SW just as much as the next person, probably more,
>but that doesn't make it literature.  Yes, it can teach us some
>things, yes we can gain some insights about life from it, but
>comparing it to some of the great classics that I majored in in
>college is ridiculous.  I mean, I learned something about life from
>Sleeping Beauty when I was a kid (never dance with strange clothes in
>the forest) but that doesn't make the Disney movie a literary
>masterpiece.  Star Wars was written to entertain, not to make a
>statement about life or politics or whatever.  I think some of you are
>taking this fan stuff a little bit too far...Let's not all be like the
>guy who posted about SW being a result of a Democratic presidency, OK?

 	You are simply showing signs of being in awe at 'higher
educationb' or 'credentials.'  "Sleeping Beauty" was not written by
Walt Disney Co., it is a story hundreds of years old, passed down in
many instances by mouth.  It is the literature of a people who did not
write so much.  It has its meanings, and yes, it is also classical literature.
You are merely, as I have said, easily impressed or deceived. BTW,
I am the guy who posted the 'humorous' analysis of politics in influencing
Star Wars.
>And please please please, when you post a response to a rather lengthy
>article, please please please don't post the ENTIRE article you're
>responding to (along with sig).  We've read it, we know what it says.
>It's very annoying to have to page through something I just finished
>reading to get to the meat of the response.
	What do you mean? I just killed the last four lines of your message
and a comparable number on the original post. Hardly the entire thing.

			John
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: What is 'letterbox'?
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:17:00 GMT
	<1992Dec14.124147.7611@cs.ruu.nl>
	<1992Dec14.170104.22909@cc.umontreal.ca>
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: lebeld@JSP.UMontreal.CA's message of 14 Dec 92 17:01:04 GMT


>Well, a theater screen is about 1x2.5, a TV screen is about 1x1.5, so
>they decided to do this: to show the full theatre picture on TV
>screen with the rest of the screen (above and/or below) black.

lebeld> Does this version only exist in Laser Disk format, or it can
lebeld> be purchased in VHS format?  I recently saw a boxed set of the
lebeld> three movies at a HMV disque store here in Montreal, and there
lebeld> was a short note by Lucas himself on the box. Is this version
lebeld> the much talked about 'letterbox'?  If so, I might plunge the
lebeld> required 80$ and buy it... 8-]

Yes, this new boxed set was released recently, and is letterboxed.
Also has "From SW to Jedi" I think too.
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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars is NOT literature
Date: 18 Dec 1992 14:58:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
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In a previous article, pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis) says:

[Post about how SW is "eye candy" not meant to be overanalyzed.]

I disagree.  I think that you're falling into the same trap that 
victimizes the industry:  "If it's science fiction it's just meant
for simple entertainment.  Nothing more."

True, there are many movies to which this applies.  To name a few,
Space Raiders, Buckaroo Bonzai, Slave Girls from Beyond Infinity.
(That last one especially.)

Personally, I think the test of literature is whether it creates
a world that can stand on it's own -- is it fully detailed enough
to exist without the plot of whatever movie you're discussing.
We know that this applies to SW.  (And I have a filing cabinet of
home-made fiction to prove it.)

What's more, if it was just simple entertainment, we would have
outgrown it long ago.  It think that the main thing about it is
that there is depth that you don't see in the films.

The anology that I like to use is that it's as though the films 
were a fictionalized movie about a real universe.  They're not
entirely accurate, and they don't show everything that's going on
behind the scenes, but they give you a clue as to what's there.

----  TJ

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                   It's not my fault, I had pneumonia.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:00:59 EST
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Army of "Boba Fetts" in Clone Wars?

In article <92346.210351GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>, <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
>
>A passage from TESB novelizatio, p.125
>
>"A human bounty hunter, Fett was known for his extremely ruthless methods.
>He was dressed in a weapon-covered, armored spacesuit, the kind worn by a
>group
>of evil warriors defeated by the Jedi Knights during the Clone Wars."
>
>This sounds like a piece of history pulled from Lucas' secret notes, like the
>history of Han rescuing Chewie from slavery.  If this is the case, then it
>leaves open the possibility for these characters to be in the next trilogy.
>It would obe too unbelievably cool to have a group dressed in this classic
>battle guise battle the Jedis, don't you think?  Okay, so there is only one
>"true" Fett, but maybe his origin could be told, as he obtains one of these
>rare uniforms.  Perhaps, by the third film, Vader could even wind up being a
>frequent customer to Fett's unsavory services as he might need someone to do
>the dirty work he hasn't time for in the imperial hierarchy...
>
>It's massive speculation, but I want Fett or pseu-Fetts in the Clone Wars
>n
>no matter how it's done!
>

  I wasn't aware this appeared in the TESB novelization, but what
  the hey.....
   I've been assuming for some time now that these warriors would be
  featured in I-III.  I don't remember where I first got the
  impression, however.
   These warriors were supposed to have come from the planet
  Mandalore. I remember that Mandalorian soldiers dressed in
  "Fett" suits were featured in an issue of the old Marvel SW
  comic series, during the period between TESB and ROTJ.

  I also seem to remember MAD magazine using the name "Mandalore"
  ( as well as the concept of the Fett-style warriors )
  in their infamous parody on upcoming SW films a long while
  back.  For some time, it seemed to me that MAD was where the name
  "Mandalore" originated, because I don't remember hearing it
  before reading that issue.  Also, doesn't it seem strange
  that MAD would be discussing something so important to the
  plots in SW I-III in a silly little article?

  This has been bugging me for a while.

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From: lebeld@JSP.UMontreal.CA (David Lebel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Do Vader know Yoda?
Date: 14 Dec 92 07:14:05 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal -- Montreal, PQ, Canada


	Have you noticed that Vader doesn't seem to know that Yoda exist,
as each time Vader 'congratulate' Luke for his use of the force, he complete
the phrase with 'Obi-Wan tought you well' (or something along those lines
as I mostly saw the trilogy in french). From memory, it seems to me that Vader
never referenced Yoda as the teacher of Luke; why? Yoda is supposed to be
a 'big' player in the Jedi thing, no?

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From: HDW@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (H D WALDEN)
Subject: SW musical references in E.T.
Organization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 02:36:07 GMT
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	Did anyone ( besides myself, that is ) notice that in E.T., when they're
going out for Halloween and they pass some kid dressed up as Yoda, and we hear
a bit of "Yoda's Theme" interpolated into the music--another example of Williams
genius!

	"The Force is with you, young Skywalker...But you are not a Jedi yet. 
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From: vaughanj@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jake Vaughan)
Subject: What is the Journal of Whills?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:05:12 GMT

I just got the Star Wars script and with the title it notes that the story is from the "Journal of Whills."  Does anyone know what this is reffering to?


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From: dragon@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Korth)
Subject: Re: Splinter of a Mind's Eye
Keywords: SW related books
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 16 Dec 92 05:05:37 GMT

In <uscream.724397879@mcl> uscream@mcl.ucsb.edu (Screamin' Diane d.) writes:
>Forgive I read Splinter of a Mind's Eye when I was about 10 or 12 or somewhere
>soon after it came out.  All I remember is trhat it had something to do with
>Luke's training and the dark side of the Force.  Can someone post a 
>summary of it please??  Or perhaps mail it straight to me.  Thanks!!

I haven't read it in a while, but if I recall properly, Luke and Leia were
acting as emissaries for the Alliance, and were forced to crash-land on a
planet with an Imperial base on their way to the meeting.  All I remember
beyond that is that there was a crystal involved with the power to amplify
the Force... and, of course, that Vader was on the planet...
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From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Subject: Re: john williams
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:01:48 GMT

In article <18048@borg.cs.unc.edu> tatum@cs.unc.edu (Thomas Tatum) writes:
>I was in music class today and they played Igor Stravinsky's Rite of Spring and
>the first movement/part sounded similar to some of the music in SW.  Is there any
>relation.  Maybe there are excerpts of Rite of Spring on the soundtrack from the
>first movie (I personally don't know), but if there aren't it is definitely
>influenced by Stravinsky.  
>     The example I think of is when the storm troopers are chasing Han and Chewy
>through the death star.  The music playing during that scene (accented pulses
>kinda like the Jaws theme) is almost note for note with a section of Rite of
>Spring.  Maybe this has already been talked about on this newsgroup.  I just
>subscribed last week.

	Well, if you have the Star Wars record you might still
have the insert with the poster.  There is also a piece of paper
in which Jonathan Williams, the composer, explains each piece.
Much of it is similar to excerpts from Holst's "The Planets"
(Mars, etc) and a number of other pieces. If you like Star Wars
music, you might also like some other catchy tunes;
	1)"Peer Gynt" by Edvard Grieg
	2)All kinds of things by Rimsky-Korsakoff
	3)"The Planets" by Holst
	4)Some Stravinsky, like "The Firebird", etc.
	5)Jonathan Williams' Indiana Jones, Superman, etc.
	6)Check out "March of the Boyars" if you can get it.

	This music is very dramatic and fun to listen to.  A Mozart
lover just might turn his or her nose up at the 'silliness' of
unrequited passion, but what the hell. Art is entertainment.

			John
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:31:17 EST
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Have any of you star wars fans seen my wife .. (Re: Why don't you

In article <105125@bu.edu>, obrien@bu-bio.bu.edu (Todd O'Brien) says:
>
>Remember the flame post "Why don't you star wars fans get a life!"
>
>It was actually a typo.  The guy actually meant to ask
>
>        "Have any of you star wars fans seen my wife!"
>
>I guess she ran away from him because she couldn't stand him anymore ... (as
>if
>it isn't obviously why, based on our impressions of his "personality").
>Anyway, somebody said his wife ran off with "Wookie", so he thought Chewbacca.
>That's why he started flaming us!
>
>The FUNNY part is that his wife ACTUALLY ran off with "Cookie" (as in Cookie
>Monster).  You should SEE the flame he wrote in Rec.arts.Sesame_Street.
>
>(Poor Snuffy ... he's SO nice, and yet this guy had so many BAD things to
>say about him.  And so what if Ernie and Bert are gay lovers!)
>
>Oh well.  It just goes to show that a little mis-understanding can go a
>long way.
>

  I have only two questions.

  1. What are you smoking?

  2. Where can I get some?

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