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From: rhealy@arrl.org (Rus Healy, NJ2L)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Q: What kind of clipless pedals and shoes to buy?
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:02:23 est
Organization: American Radio Relay League

In rec.bicycles, rpoldrac@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Russ Poldrack) writes:

>I'm finally moving out of the dark ages and buying clipless pedals and
>new shoes.  I'd like to sped less than $250 on the whole deal.  I'd be
>interested in comments and suggestions, especially about Time, Mavic,
>and Ultegra pedals. Thanks.

I really like my Shimano 105 pedals (two release modes, variable release
tension, Look compatible), which I use with Performance Century cleated 
shoes. The pedals cost around $90 last year and the shoes are about $50.
I use pivoting cleats (the red ones--the shoes come with the non-
pivoting black ones). These pedals also work great with my $20 
Winwood pedal inserts (converts Look and Look-compatible clipless 
pedals into toe-clip-style pedals), which I use in triathlons to save 
time in the transitions. They're also handy when I'm riding in foul
weather, when I know I'm going to be on and off the bike a few times 
during a ride, or when I'm going to have to walk any distance in my 
cleated shoes. Pop for a $10 pair of rubber cleat covers (available 
from Performance and Nashbar), too.

You'll really appreciate the difference cleated shoes and clipless
pedals make!

--Rus
From: markco@cabezon.uucp (Mark Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cycle Oregon (so who will be there?)
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:27:39 GMT
Organization: Logic Modelling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon

In article <Bt911v.B0w@rice.edu> shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug17.215149.13811@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
>cd674@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Susan J. Christie) writes: 
>>>
>>>Here's another Cycle Oregon Rider!  ... See you on the ride!
>>>Susan C.
>
>In article <1992Aug18.160346.17192@cabezon.uucp> markco@cabezon.uucp
>(Mark Collins) taunts: 
>
>>... You'll recognize me pretty easily, I'll be the one with a 6-iron
>>strapped to my top tube ...
>
>>There are golf courses in every community except Chemult 
>>and Prospect!! Heaven on wheels.
>
>>Mark Collins
>
>Might I suggest you try a 5 iron this year.   I think it will improve
>your scores, especially on the greens.
>
>-- 
>sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
>Wanna ride?

You'd be amazed at how easy it was to get the pro-shop 
operator to lend me a putter out of the back room. Only used
just the 6-iron the first round. BTW I never shot over 50 
for any one  of the 5 rounds. I'll stick with the 6-iron, thanks.
If anyone else out there will be planning to golf, please let 
me know! 

*********************************
Mark Collins
Logic Modeling Corporation.
19500 N.W. Gibbs Dr.
Beaverton, OR 97075
---------------------------------
E-mail: uunet!sequent!lauto!markco
E-mail: markco@lmc.com
*********************************
From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Re: Spoke wrench: how to choose?
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:05:20 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In rec.bicycles, zstern@adobe.com (Zalman Stern) writes:

> In article <4647@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> davidl+@pitt.edu (David C Leung)  
> writes:
> [Describes a universal spoke wrench which is like a hollow cylinder (i.e.  
> donut) with notches for various nipple sizes.)]
> 
> I have one of those things. It did a wonderful job rounding off a bunch of  
> nipples on my wheels before I picked up a pair of Park wrenches. Basically  
> the tolerances on the universal wrench are pretty sloppy.

Amen to that.  BTE, the Park wrench lists something like 13.9 rather than 14;
I wonder if this is significant.  Luckily, the universal wrench only rounded
the nipples to prevent itself from working; the Park wrench can still handle
it.  I also ruined the nipples on the spokes of some poor slob from St. Louis
I met on a trail in Breckenridge before deciding I needed a *real* spoke
wrench.

--------------
Marc Sabatella
marc@fc.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Bike shops in Chicago
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:59:28 GMT

garth@.comm.mot.com (Garth Kennedy) writes:
>>I'll be in Chicago, IL for the last two weeks of September.
>>I would like to buy a racing bike there, I have the Cannondale R700
>>or R800 in mind.
>>Would someone send me a list of the best two or three bike stores in
>>the area ?  ('Best' means good selection, helpful people, reasonable
>>prices but no after-sale service is needed).
>To my way of thinking there are a couple of good bike shops. 
>Pony Shop - Chicago
>RRB Cyclery - just north of Chicago  (forgot the suburb)
>Oak Park Cyclery - Oak Park    (just west of Chicago)
I was looking into a R900 from the Pony Shop.  In fact I inetended to buy it.
They told me over the phone they had one in my size, when I got there they
wheeled it out.  It was in very bad shape.  Big chips of paint off the chain
stays and seat tube down to bare metal, the rims were coated with gunk from
obvious heavy use, and there was a chain protector glued onto the chainstay.
I can only guess what that was hiding.  They also had different tires and
bar tape on the bike than the normal conti's and sampson.  I was flabbergasted
that they tried to pass this off as a new bike.  It had obviously been
heavily used and I said so.  A coouple of mechanics came out of the back and 
had a little fit saying i was crazy not to buy this bike (at full retail)
because of a few dings.  I couldn't beleive they tried to tell me it had
only been test ridden.  I said I had no intention of buying this bike nor was
I happy that they were trying to bullshit me about it.  They became even more
abusive...I mean realy offensive.  At that point I got really angry and demandedto see the owner who I chewed out for about 15 minutes.  The mechanics went
back in the back room and sulked.  I've been in many many bike shops all
over the countryand various parts of the world and have never seen worse
customer treatment.  Draw your own conclusions.  Anyway I saw some pretty good
prices in the latest Velo-News.  Check the latest issue out.            
-Terry
.
From: kpalm@athena.qualcomm.com (Kent Palm)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Heart Rate Survey: Results
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:31:54 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

ra_novy@dal.mobil.com writes:

>34     29     181   (29!  After sleep, or suspended animation?)

The 29 is after sleep and before raising my head off the pillow.  How
else do you take the resting pulse rate?
From: SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: 'On Your Left' Protocol (was: Bicycle Paths
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:43:24 GMT

>From: jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer)
>=v= I suspect that the majority of pedestrians are unfamiliar
>with this phrase.  The minority who go strolling on a bike
>path or multi-use path are probably educable, though.

i find that many even say 'thank you'! :-)

>=v= The multi-use paths I'm most familiar with have little
>signs at the entry points explaining who's supposed to yield
>in various situations.

signs on our bike path say that walkers should walk on the
left, facing bikes, and yield to bikers. some do, some don't.
(i still havent figured out where rollerbladers fit in! ;-)

most walkers are either very courteous or very un-courteous,
there isn't much middle ground. some of them move *way* over out
of the way and some even walk on the grass for oncoming bikes!

then there are others that walk 3-5 across and block the entire
path and don't even care. when asked (nicely of course!) to
move over they say "no". one snotty 15-yr-old-looking girl said
'no, i don't have to, make me'. luckily (for her!) it took a few
seconds to believe what she said, and by then we were well past her.

most of the older walkers are very courteous. the worst walkers
are the ones with baby carriages that take up half the path and
pretend they are the only people on earth! argh!

>=v= Perhaps we also need "slower traffic keep right" signs?
>With "hey peds, this means you, too" on them?

actually, just my opinion, but i think it's easier if they walk *facing*
bikes. then at least they *see* you coming. but it *is* fun zipping by
those with their backs to us and scaring them, ha! :-) if they were
following directions they woulda seen me! ;-)

Janice"just my 2 cents"G  :-)

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From: ag@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (andy garton)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:13:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Running as crosstraining for cycling
Organization: Hewlett-Packard ISG-SBU-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

>How useful is running as part of a training program for cycling?
>Running seems like a good way to improve cardiovascular fitness,
>but what are the disadvantages?
  
>I run out of energy while running much quicker than when cycling, 
>so running seems like it could be a good substitute for a long 
>bike ride on days when I don't have a lot of time.  I'm just
>wondering whether running is worth my time, if my only goal is
>to improve my cycling performence.


In my experience, running is good cross training for cycling, especially
for CV fitness.

Disadvantage, however, is that you get injured much more easily when
running (I suffered a knee injury which affected my cycling for a
while) - partial solution to this is to run on grass and use good
quality running shoes.
From: sims@possum.den.mmc.com (John Sims)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: My Bicycle Helmet Experience
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:46:08 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics Group, Denver

Wowsers!
Glad to hear you survived, and are back so soon.

John
-- 
John Sims    sims@pogo.den.mmc.com
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Mold Release & Preservative Agents (was Re: Road tires?)
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:16:06 GMT

Sam Henry writes:

> Conti Grand Prix and SuperSports and SuperSport ULTRAs are very d*d
> good tires.  I say that after doing product comparison testing first
> hand--with the road rash and paint scrapes to prove it.

As if to give credit to my comment that riders give endorsements for
tires without any comparative evidence, Sam goes on to furnish none of
the evidence to which he alludes.  I get the impression that these
statements are drawn from expectations that arise from exposure to
promotional material.

For years I rode on Specialized Touring II tires and found that cornering
on the raised center ridge caused disconcerting sounds but I cannot say
that they did or did not corner as well as other tires.  I know only that
they wore out about twice as fast as the Avocet ROAD 20's that I use now.

Anyway, measurements have shown that cornering for the leading smooth
tires is indistinguishably close, so I am not sure what the basis for tire
preference is.  I am curious what the quantifiable differences are that
Sam and other riders observe and on which their preferences are based.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: wade@sdcc12.ucsd.edu (Wade Blomgren)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Tandem drivetrain misbehaving
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:11:53 GMT

Bike: new Burley duet tandem (probably been sitting in the shop
for a while, and only got a very quick once over at time of purchase)
We have not ridden it much yet, and mostly on flats at low speed.
Purchase includes a quick, informal tuneup after a few hundred miles, 
then 2 full tune ups.  We have not ridden the bike enough to warrant
using up even the first informal tuneup (derailleurs/brakes probably),
except:

Symptom: on the first real uphill we encountered, when we started to
really put some pressure on the pedals, the drivetrain appeared to
"slip".  Not a jumping chain, more of a "smooth lurch".  (Same feeling
as a rear tire slipping a few inches when riding over a wet manhole cover on 
a climb).  This happened a couple of times on the down strokes, I'm not sure 
how many total degrees of slippage but more than a few.  We eased up a bit and
then the hill was over (short hill!).  My first thought was some sort
of problem with the eccentric bottom bracket coming loose but upon
reflection that doesn't seem right.  Perhaps the freewheel was not
tight and was tightening up.  Any idea what is going on here?  Anything
I can check myself (I have BB & chain tools but no freewheel tool at
this time)?  Take it in to the shop?


Wade Blomgren
wade@hobbes.ucsd.edu
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Trispokes
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:19:24 GMT

I replied to Kritt G.'s question:

> Has anybody out there experiences with trispoke wheels on a mountain bike? Do
> they provide the same/more/less strength compared to regular wheels? Brands?

the MTB angle is what my response was about.  I think the comments when
seen in this context might not seem as extreme as Kritt implies.

and Naruhisa Takashima writes:

> Since Jobst has given you the demerits of the trispoke wheels, I'll give you
> the merits. and to lesser degree counter his arguments.

I find Naruhisa's comments entirely appropriate for these wheels but have
nothing to do with MTB use.  It seems that we are talking about different
things here.  Let me add that disks are more aerodynamic, less expensive,
and more side wind sensitive, while they and 3, 4, and 5 spoke wheels are
not useful for MTB's.  I'm sure someone can come up with exceptions.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Small parts Catalog
Date: 19 Aug 92 07:45:15 GMT

For those who wanted it here's the address for the small parts catalog
mentioned a while back. Sorry for the delay.

Loose Screws
12225 HWY 66
Ashland, OR  97520


-- 
    __@  __@        Phillip "Flip" Russell  | Purdue University
  _-\<, -\<,_       flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu | West Lafayette, IN
 (_)/---|/-(_)      "We don't have enough power captain!!!"
From: ervolina@pkmfgvm2.VNET.IBM.COM (Tom Ervolina)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Mounting a Kirtland Handlebar bag on a MTB
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:52:44 GMT
Organization: IBM Poughkeepsie, NY

I have a large Kirtland handlebar bag which mounts fine on a road bike but
doesn't fit on my MTB.  It's the old standard mounting system with a heavy
duty bar that fits under the neck of the stem and over the handlebars and
then widens to hold the bag along its sides.  Then there's elastic straps
that hook into the eyelets on the forks. Anyway, it seems like all I need
is a different bar with all the bends in the right places so it will fit
the fatter, sloped stem of my MTB.  Is there a company that makes such a
thing?  (I heard that Kirtland went out of business.)  Thanks.

Tom Ervolina               IBM, Poughkeepsie, NY
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: light/battery comparisons?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:09:53 GMT

Re: battery ratings.
  Yes I have a stack of batteries.
  Yes they are nicads.
  I did get the A/H rating by charging them and simulating a lamp load at
    room temperature.  This was done while cycling the batteries to see
    what their true capactity and to remove any memory effect.  I know that
    I will get X A/h out of them at room temperature.
However, the actual rating is burried in a stack of paper from last winters
testing so I assumed 4 A/h.  I am confident that the power rating will be
less in the cold but since the batteries will only experience cool air for
15 to 20 min. at a time I should get most of their capacity (you are crazy
if you think that I would leave the batteries with the bike - they are worth
more than it is).

Its not quite dark enough yet for any tests and I am still playing with the
mechanical system.  It is nice to be able to easily adjust the tilt (or so
it seems after about 15 min. of riding around) so I am working on something
a bit more robust mechanically (never said I was a mech. eng.).  Of course
the bike is going for the scrap heat as soon as the first so flake flies
so portability is becoming an issue.
  Of course I will have some hard data once fall hits.  All that I can say is
that it sure gets attention.  Nobody has questioned my using a white light
in the rear yet.
  I was looking at the Bicycling review of various lighting systems (Feb. 92)
and they gave the Cateye Halogen a good rating for water proofness.  All that
I can say is that mine has to be cleaned and dried every time it rains within
100 mi.  The addition of fenders has helped alot but salt spray in the winter
easily gets into the switch and battery contacts.
  - Eric
  " The Motorola team prefers an aero rim in the back, but a convential flat 
Aubisque model in the front. 'Its more comfortable .. In the front an aero
rim handles like a disk - a stiff wind will catch it'"  mechanic Neil Lacey
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: My Bicycle Helmet Experience
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:34:22 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <9208122232.AA09586@tektronix.TEK.COM> TKPOWELL@bluemoon.profs.tek.com writes:
>
>Wallet my ass.. the amount of money spent by the public for uninsured head
>injuries for bike riders is so small as to be insignificant.  

Hmm, we spend about as much on AIDS now as we do on cancer, yet
cancer is a far, far greater danger ot the population. Do these
people also tell us that homosexuiality and drug addiction is also
controlable through passing laws?  Where's their wallets then?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jrawles@leland.Stanford.EDU (jody rawles)
Subject: Re: OPINIONS: Trek 2100/2300, etc:  Specialized Epic Comp?
Keywords: (Long)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 16:28:17 GMT

In the recent discussion of the Trek line there is never any
mention of the Specialized Carbon Fiber line.

I am looking at upgrading from my '87 Trek 1000 (Al) to  a carbon fiber
frame and am considering either the Trek 2300 or the Specialized Epic Comp.
The difference in price is but a minor issue (~ $100) and am more concerned
with performance.  Both the bikes come with either Shimano Ultegra.

I am a strong fitness rider (150-200 miles/week) with visions of competing
(road races primarily) in the near future (`93).

I would appreciate any comments, but especially those comparing and contrasting
the Trek & Specialized bikes.

Thanks in advance for any and all comments,


-- 
Jody M. Rawles					
Department of Psychiatry 		email: jrawles@leland.stanford.edu
Stanford University School of Medicine	voice: (415) 858-3914
Stanford, CA 94305 USA			fax:   (415) 493-4901
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: sridar@nil.mni.mcgill.ca (Sridar Narayanan)
Subject: Re: Bicycle Paths
Organization: NeuroImaging Laboratory, Montreal Neurological Institute
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 18:41:20 GMT

*****
In <1992Aug13.000449.1124@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> sridar@nil.mni.mcgill.ca (Sridar Narayanan) writes:

>Hello,

>I've finally been driven to post my opinion by Mark G. Salyzyn's 
>account of a pedestrian-caused accident.  Why are bike paths shared????
>A bike path is for bikes.  A sidewalk is for pedestrians.  Period.

And obviously, using this logic, roads are for cars only (or maybe
trucks only, since they're bigger).

Is there some law in Quebec that says "bike paths are for bikes only"?
I've never heard of such a thing in the US (not that some state might
not have such a law).


Paul J. Schinder
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov

*****

The law considers bicycles as vehicles, with all the rights and
responsibilities of drivers of motorized vehicles.  There are some
restrictions, of course, such as expressways and entrance/exit
ramps.  Cyclists are not allowed to ride on sidewalks, since it
obviously endangers pedestrians, although some cyclists do
it anyway.  The bike paths I was referring to are two lane, 
bidirectional paths with a total width of about 3 m.  The posted
signs indicate that these are bike paths.  There are sidewalks
and footpaths parallel to the paths for just about the entire
length.  So why should pedestrians use the bike paths?  Do they
walk in the middle of the roads?

There are general recreation paths in most parks, and especially
on Mount Royal.  These are shared, and rightly so.  Cyclists here
should keep the speed down and enjoy the scenery.  (But watch out
for pedestrians, clinching lovers and runaway baby carriages (-:) )
My point is that peds should stay off the high speed commuter bike
paths.

Sorry if that wasn't clear, but I stand by my views.

Sridar
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: kenl@origami.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ken Lehner)
Subject: Re: using presta tubes with a Schraeder wheel
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 17:51:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.151438.22463@mercury.unt.edu>, jackson@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Bruce Jackson) writes:
|> 
|> I do not use any nut on my presta valves.  In the 5 years I worked in and
|> ran bike shops I never put these nuts on any bike I repaired except when
|> the customer insisted on them.  The only purpose I can figure that these
|> nuts could have would be to keep riders from ripping the valves off when
|> clumsily pumping the tire with a frame pump.
|> 
|> My opinion is that you do not need any valve nuts.

My girlfriend and I had trouble with her Silca floor pump hose popping off
of her valve, due to the valve pushing down into the rim which resulted in
a valve which was too short to keep the hose on.  Putting nuts on the
valves keeps them outside the rim, and the hose on the valve.

For me, the nut tells me how much air leaked out of my latex tubes since
the last time I rode (the more air, the looser the nut) :^)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bonak@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Esmail Bonakdarian)
Subject: extra "click" normal in indexed levers? (Ultrega 600)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:04:41 GMT
Reply-To: bonak@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Esmail Bonakdarian)
Organization: U of Iowa, Iowa City, IA

The local bike store just installed a pair Shimano Ultrega600
shift levers when changing my gearing from friction to indexed.

My freewheel has 6 cogs, and when I use the levers I seem to have
a seventh position. I know that these levers are supposed to work
with both 6 and 7 cogs, but is this extra "click" position that
doesn't do anything something "normal" I have to get used to? Or
can it be turned off? As it is now, I can shift one extra
position past my smallest cog in  the back and nothing happens
and I don't like it.

Esmail
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Bike shops in Chicago
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:57:16 GMT

wismer@cfruni51.bitnet (Daniel Wismer) writes:
You'll be glad to know there are some big time sales going on in Chicago for
92 cannondales.  I saw one ad for an R900 for about $300 off list.  Send me
e-mail to remind me to send you the stores name and address.  I don't have the
info with me right now.  They also had the R800 on sale.
-Terry

>I'll be in Chicago, IL for the last two weeks of September.
>I would like to buy a racing bike there, I have the Cannondale R700
>or R800 in mind.
>Would someone send me a list of the best two or three bike stores in
>the area ?  ('Best' means good selection, helpful people, reasonable
>prices but no after-sale service is needed).

>Thank your for your help.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles