From: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Who are the Occupiers?
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 15:45:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.022344.27498@cs.anu.edu.au> bdm@cs.anu.edu.au writes:

# In article 26010@discus.technion.ac.il, davidba@carmel.technion.ac.il (David Ben_Ami) writes:

# >Mythology or not mythology the fact is that Jews were related to this
# >specific piece of land for 3000+ years , the last 2000 mainly spiritualy
# >although throughout the ages Jews maintained small communities in cities
# >like Safed,Tiberias,Hebron and Jerusalem and billages in teh Gallilee.

# >You may argue that Israel should return the lands to the Cannanites if
# >you want to fight ownership. Palestinian Arabs are VERY LATE invaders
# >occiupiers who have ENORMOUS NERVE to claim anything in this country.
 
# Please explain the principle by which late invaders have fewer rights
# than early invaders.

	That is not the issue.  The issue is who was their first, and from
their rights are determined.  There has been an attempt by
"palestinians?" to claim that they are decendents of Cannanites because
they recognize this principle also.

# >They live here - as Jews live in NY and in Germany: Jews don't claim 
# >NY or Germany as a NATIONAL home. they have rights as individuals - no
# >rights as a nation. The Fiction of Plaestinian nation is one of the 
# >greatest tricks in propaganda the 20th century experienced. 

# I am perfectly happy for the Jews of the world to decide amongst
# themselves whether or not they form a "nation".  I think that the
# Palestinians have the same right.  Just because their "nation"hood
# is a more recent development than that of the Jews doesn't make it
# less real.  

	I agree that time itself does not determine nationhood.  However,
there are some things related to time that do.

# >                                                             There was
# >no such thing - they were "Syrians of the South" and no more than that.
# >many Arabs from all over the Arab world Egypt,Sudan,Syria flowed into 
# >the country since the 1910s - they have not the flimisiest right to 
# >sit here on the expense of prosecuted Jews who finally came to rest.

# I see, the Massive Recent Immigration myth.  It has been debunked so
# many times that it must take some courage to still believe it.
# Congratulations.

	What takes courage is to repeat this idiocy.  The only way it can
be debunked is to assume an irregular diet (consisting almost
exclusively of citrus) that no one could live under.  This diet is
probably what allowed the irregular reproduction patterns necessary
which .... is to what leads Brendan to assume that this is a myth.  Of
course all of these (no matter how many sources they have to back them
up) are just another way of claiming 2+2=5.  I would not believe a PhD
im math who told me that no matter how many sources he had.

# >The Arabs that sat here before the Jews came will be welcome as Israeli
# >citizens (and are welcomed) - they have no national rights here.
 
# So all the Arabs who have recent ancestors who lived in modern-Israel
# are welcome to return as citizens?  I didn't expect such a concession
# from you.

	You did not get one.
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David Makowsky
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