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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Subject: Re: jerry brown ruining something?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 07:56:23 GMT


In an article dated
Wed Apr  8 14:23:22 1992

dean@vexcel.com (dean alaska)
says (among other things):

Labor intensize means lots of jobs are created.  They aren't the highest
paying, but they aren't necessarily low paying/low skilled jobs.
Capital intensive (the opposite of labor intensive) means that you
invest lots of money to make machines, not jobs.
<end of quote>

And I say he's wrong. Labor intensive means that you get more people
working without equipment to do what could have been done by fewer people
with proper equipment. Common sense shows that there are only two ways 
to allocate the cost of such inefficiency. 
Either raise the cost of the product to support the extra workers at a
decent wage, or lower the wage to maintain the product at a decent price.
If you are in any kind of competive setting, it will have to come out as
the latter, in order for the product to sell. The statement that in
capital intensive investment you invest money to "make machines, not jobs"
is pretty silly, even for usenet. What it means, to take a concrete
example, is that you create jobs manufacturing and operating earth
moving equipment in preference to jobs swinging a pick or pushing a 
shovel. Of course, maybe someone wants to argue that the typical 
unemployed worker is not competent to handle a job requiring more
sophisticated (i.e. capital intensive) equipment. I don't recommend
doing it to their face, though.

Just my $0.02,
Steve
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From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (a.j.s. nusbacher)
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Organization: University of Toronto 
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:00:14 GMT

In a previous post, I suggested that a baseball bat might be a proper response
to the Klan where counter-action rather than counterdemonstration was desired.
It was kindly pointed out to me that I had not made it sufficiently clear that
I was speaking hyperbolically, and that I advocated no such thing.  I merely
sought to indicate that there was a difference between acting against the Klan
and speaking against the Klan.  I apologise.

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Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
From: schectr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (ROBB SCHECTER)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 15:32:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Cincinnati

Carl Edman writes:
>(Quoting deleted) Let us  
>say a rally for which the KKK printed a flier which contained phrases  
>like:
>
>"Obviously, everyone going has a different idea about how to express  
>anti-negroe convictions."
>
>or 
>
>"ACT ON YOUR CONVICTIONS."
>
>or
>
>"We hope to mass enough people to drown out any speeches, and defeat  
>any recruiting efforts the NAACP will make."
>
>Or for that matter: What would you think about such a pamphlet by the  
>KKK ? Would you consider it legal ?
>
>If you say yes, you may be wrong but at least you are no bigot. If you  
>say no, as I suspect you will I would consider you less than a person  
>of integrity.
>
>	Carl Edman

     Again you lost me.  How is my interpretation of consitutional law
an indicator of my integrity. (Incidentaly...it WOULD be legal.)

     But;  I actually don't care.  I am not talking about what to
-legislate-, now, I am talking about what to DO.  I believe there is no 
intrinsic difference between a declared war (WWII; nazi's, subversive
activities honorable, necessary) and the situation today.  (Private sector-
declared war, "Terrorist Organizations" (FBI definition) actively planning
and training)  IMHO, subversive & sabotage activities are again honorable &
necessary.

     Obviously, my whole jusitification and willingness to say "I'm right;
they're wrong", is based on my view of this as war.   Can you show me it
is not?
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From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 01:08:06 GMT

In article <dragon.702962857@camelot> dragon@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Korth) writes:
>In <1992Apr9.231614.17905@ucunix.san.uc.edu> schectr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (ROBB SCHECTER) writes:
>>**   - We hope to mass enough people to drown out any speeches, and def-   **
>>**         eat any recruiting efforts the Klan will make.                  **
>
>Sorry, you lose me here.  I may, and in fact *do*, disagree with what
>the KKK has to say.  However, they have a right to say it.  The First
>Amendment applies to them, too.

And to me and six hundred other people, if we wish to express our
views at the very same time in the very same place.  The First
Amendment prohibits governmental suppression of speech.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
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From: bpharmon@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: HOLOCAUST MYTHS
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:53:23 GMT
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <eBF9iB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP>, pfaust@b-cpu.UUCP (Pete Faust) writes:
>      The intent of the Zionist-controlled media in Isreal is
> to unite and build their country.  

	OH MY! how threatening! (snicker)
	sheesh, I guess those damn israelis might put their own state first!
	why those selfish zionists! :)

>The intent of the Zionist-
> controlled media in the United States is to misinform,
> confuse and destroy our country, while acquiring trillions of
> our dollars in the process.  This process was greatly
> accelerated upon the creation of the Israeli State.

	*snort* grin >chuckle<
	
 	yeah, right.  The US entered its most dominating phase in history
during the 1950's and continued into the 60's (both economic and military) 
	THIS TOOK PLACE *AFTER* THE CREATION OF ISRAEL


With the demise of the fomerly adversarial Soviet Union, the US military
dominance is relatively unchallenged, but our own decline of infrastructure,
inflationary growth, and a failure to qualitatively recover form the early
1980's recession has weakened the US's economic sanding relative to other
industrialized nations.  While the US is in bad shape and nneds to correct some
serious equity/efficeincy/environmental problems, the economy is still rather
strong.
	


>      The media's use of the Laugh Track is to destroy our
> morals, ethics (including work ethic), educational system and
> family unit.  Theft, drugs, prostitution, rape and murder
> (anything illicit) rate laughs, including incest.

	yeah, sure thing big guy.



>      The `History Should Not Repeat Itself' hypocrites are
> themselves repeating the events of prewar Germany where,
> from the magician's hat, Fate slowly drew the Square
> Moustache.  No excuses, as we were forewarned by our Founding
> Fathers.

	oh darn, maybe that explains why I'm wearing this brownshirt.......

	you really can't use historical evidence, can you?

	does the phrase "truth by blatant assertion" mean anything to you?


>  
> Side Remark:  Super Race\Chosen People, should be but one
> word..........`GARBAGE'.

	Amen, Brother Faust, Amen.



> Pete Faust
> Institute for Relearning

> Users of Banished CPU are solely responsible for their actions.

	Amen, Brother Faust, Amen.

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Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Let's "out" the Nazi!!!!
From: ivler@mdcbbs.com (J.M. Ivler    ivler@mdcbbs.com)
Date: 14 Apr 92 07:54:36 GMT
Organization: M&E (Division of EDS), Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: sam

Could someone please provide me with the following information:

1) the REAL name of the owner of B-CPU
2) the real address of the owner of B-CPU
3) a real phone number for the owner of B-CPU

Thank you...

jmi
ivler@mdcbbs.com
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: al.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Subject: Ross Perot.. ?
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:22:06 GMT

Having spoken to the man, and having heard him give a speech
here on campus (Univ of Miami) I considered myself to be a 
supporter of his campaign -albeit awaiting the results of
his initial public response to the issue of whether he
was in fact a cantidate...however recent postings about his
alleged policies in EDS result in a need to have confirmation
as to his true character...up till today I was all for him
I would apprecite some concise and objective examples as
to whether these alleged anti-couples and hardcore conservative
policies were and are in fact the norm in his day-to-day.
Thanks...
(you can e-mail or post...posting would be better)
-Al
no sig file here sir, have you tried alt.annoying? :)
...BTW I disclaim disclaimers.
From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: Novice questions.
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:15:16 GMT
Organization: Computing Center, North Carolina State University

In article <92104.165057C09615SJ@wuvmd.wustl.edu> C09615SJ@WUVMD.WUSTL.EDU (Aack!) writes:
> ...
>   Sometimes, after an aborted attempt I will release pressure on the
>wrench and I'll hear some of the pins click.  Were these pins I had picked
>successfully?

  Yes, plus any you had pushed up too high and which were held there.
> ...
>   Ah. Forgive me. I'm new to the newsgroup.  Buying a lock is good advice
>that I will follow.  Any particular brand I should look for?  I didn't know

  Any which can easily be disassembled.  K-Mart, etc. usually have
inexpensive (around $9) deadbolt sets - often Kwikset clones which
come apart easily.   

> ...

--henry schaffer  n c state univ
From: mccaslan@duncan.utkcs2 (a dancing marSUPial)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: interest.. combination locks.
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:59:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: duncan.MCCASLAN.92Apr6225943
Organization: /blue/homes/mccaslan/.organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu
In-reply-to: mccaugha@hydra3f.cs.utk.edu's message of 7 Apr 92 01:51:57 GMT


Hullo.  

I too have heard the so on and so forth about opening combination locker
locks etc.  I've heard of two methods.   the first is ridicolously complex
and supposed to work only on master combination locks.  picked it up
from a version of phrack and i never got it to work...ever got it to work.
and the other...well, basically any small lock like these are supposed
to be openable by pulling on down on them slightly and shocking them
with a hammer.

and yeah, i know the safe you're speaking of doug and i have
NEVER understood the bull about using a stethoscope to listen
to the tumblers.

anyhow, i'm also interested in where to obtain picks or for
that matter what metal is best to make picks out of...how springy
should it be?  how stiff?  obviously, if springy then it has to
have a good memory, i.e. shouldn't stay bent.  
and would someone describe to me how in the world to build
a plug spinner???
wulp, that's all the questions for now,
later on,
no sig file----
don mccasland		a dancing masupial
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: POSTING FROM  FBI.GOV
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center And Storm Door Company
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:50:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.224558.31170@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.ibm.com writes:
>In  <1992Apr10.194937.27059@u.washington.edu>  birnbaum@math.washington.edu (Z.W. Birnbaum) writes:
>>      A while ago when somebody posted something
>>      which looked like coming from the domain   fbi.gov
>>      margolis@watson.ibm.com  said something like
>>      it could be easy to detect who was using a fake
>>      identity to post news.
>
>No, I said that if you're a large government agency keeping track of all the
>traffic going over Internet, it's easy.  I didn't say that it was easy (or
>even possible) for you or I.

Actually, it usually is pretty easy to detect the person, just by looking
at who is laughing about it the hardest.  Carefully checking the path also
helps somewhat.
--scott
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: n8441213@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Gary Rutledge)
Subject: Re: O.K...back to lockpicking.
Keywords: couldn't, why?
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 02:14:52 GMT

fields-doug@CS.YALE.EDU (Doug Fields) writes:

>In article <1992Apr12.211928.7677@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> haljibur@coos.dartmouth.edu (Halim F. Aljibury) writes:

>In short, all room locks here are BEST 6-pin removable core locks, with
>a bottom mushroom pin second from the front.

What's a mushroom pin? Bottom mushroom pin?  Are these a shape to limit 
the amount of 'UP' you can move the pin?

Gary
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Kryptonite locks
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:24:23 GMT
Distribution: alt
Reply-To: margoli@watson.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Village Waterbed

In  <56hW02V7cdIb00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>  fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden) writes:
> I don't know what else to call them, but the Kryptonite bicycle locks use
> them, so I'll refer to them that way.

Usually called an Ace key, although that's a brand name of the Chicago Lock
Co.

> What I'm babbling about are the circular keys with little notches on them,
> often used to protect stuff like bicycles, alarm panels, etc, etc.  Is there
> a reason why these aren't used for doors or other things?

You *can* buy mortise and rim cylinders that work with an Ace key.

> My understanding is that, while it has been done before, they are nearly
> impossible to pick.

Actually, they're not particularly difficult.  It really helps if you
have the proper tools, though - a number of companies sell tubular lock
picks.

Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
From: mccaugha@hydra1a.cs.utk.edu (William Douglas ( Doug ) - The Juggler ( me ) McCaughan)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: interest.. combination locks.
Date: 8 Apr 92 06:10:10 GMT
Reply-To: mccaugha@hydra1a.cs.utk.edu (William Douglas ( Doug ) - The Juggler ( me ) McCaughan)
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennesee, Knoxville
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra1a.cs.utk.edu

In article <1992Apr07.223544.33236@watson.ibm.com>, Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com> writes:
|> In  <ku201tINN2ds@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>  mccaugha@hydra3f.cs.utk.edu (William Douglas ( Doug ) - The Juggler ( me ) writes:
|> > I do not see how in the world a stethoscope and good hearing would help get
|> > something like this moster open.
|> 
|> Safes are fun.  Manipulation involves more feeling than hearing.

Hmm. Ok, how does the manipulation work. Let's try at an over simplified
example. [pardon my lack of techni-jargon but I am operating on minimal sleep
presently and it is becoming difficult for me to use simple 3 letter words]
Say we have a combination lock that consists of 2 round plates each with a notch
in it. To open this lock, we would have to spin the disks until the notches lined
up with one another and at a particular location. Well, one of the disks is
directly connected to the combination dial and the other disk simply spins freely.
Each disk has a stub attached to it such that the stub on the fixed disk will
hit the stub on the free disk to permit properly aligning the notches.

It is at this point that I begin to have much difficulty with the manipulation
concept.

To me, those stubs can be placed anywhere on the disks with the exception of the
couple of millimeters of space the notch takes up. So, when I turn the dial, I
can feel out when the two stubs are hitting one another, but that gives me 
absolutely no clue as to where the notches are much less how to align the notches
such that I can open the lock.

To me, this seems greatly random. Am I overlooking something?

|> 
|> > How does a locksmith go about opening a safe built into a walk for which the
|> > combination is unknown?
|> 
|> Depending on the safe, either manipulation, or drilling.  (After a safe is
|> drilled, you can weld in hardened steel rods to fill the hole, and repaint it.)

I have seen this done. Seems that this ultimately should weaken the security of
the safe. A person wanting to get in but lacking in knowledge on that safe now
simply has to redrill that plugged hole.

|> Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)

Sleep calls.. 
-- 
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                                     | helluva trip, but honestly, I |
                                     | am ready to come down now...  |
From: mccaugha@hydra2a.cs.utk.edu (William Douglas ( Doug ) - The Juggler ( me ) McCaughan)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: Dye marker fire alarms?
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:54:54 GMT
Reply-To: mccaugha@hydra2a.cs.utk.edu (William Douglas ( Doug ) - The Juggler ( me ) McCaughan)
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennesee, Knoxville
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra2a.cs.utk.edu

In article <ranck.59@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu>, ranck@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
|> In article <66qaJB1w164w@obmarket> michaelc@obmarket (Michael Campbell) writes:
|> >On a related note, I've heard that modern fire alarms in buildings, (the
|> >kind you set off, not the automatic kind) have the paint spraying
|> >mechanisms similar to the ones in bank bags.  (Explode on you, literally
|> >painting you red.  Sometimes blue.  Impossible to wash off).  True, not
|> >true?
|> 
|>    Well, I don't know if it's true or not, but it sounds way too easy to
|> get around this type of detterent.  Take a coat hanger and pull the lever
|> from a few feet back.  

You would really have to be standing way back. Those things have a fairly `
effective spray.

|> But, there are lots of ineffective products on the
|> market so I wouldn't say that nobody has marketed these.
|>    This sort of thing only works once or twice.  Then the troublemakers 
|> find out about it and the workarounds are simple.

If someone wants around something badly enough, he will get around it no matter
what.

|> 
|>  *************************************************************************
|>  * Bill Ranck                  DoD #0496           RANCK@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU *
|>  * '87 XV535 Virago          '73 Norton Commando    '73 Honda 350-4      *
|>  * (it gets me there)        (it's a classic)      (it's hard to explain)*
|>  *************************************************************************

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                                     | helluva trip, but honestly, I |
                                     | am ready to come down now...  |
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: fields-doug@CS.YALE.EDU (Doug Fields)
Subject: Re: O.K...back to lockpicking.
Keywords: couldn't, why?
Organization: Yale University, CS, New Haven, CT, Admiral's Account
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:34:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.211928.7677@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> haljibur@coos.dartmouth.edu (Halim F. Aljibury) writes:
>O.k....here's the situation.  I was down at Yale for the weekend, and through
>a combination of several oversights by the people who invited us, rooms were
>in very short supply.  The guy who I was supposed to sleep with was out partying

In short, all room locks here are BEST 6-pin removable core locks, with
a bottom mushroom pin second from the front.

Doug
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Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 92 10:13:44 CST
From:         Aack! <C09615SJ@WUVMD.WUSTL.EDU>
To:           NETNEWS@WUVMD
Subject:      Re: O.K...back to lockpicking.
Newsgroups:   alt.locksmithing

>
>In article <1992Apr14.044507.25120@watson.ibm.com>, Larry Margolis
><margoli@watson.ibm.com> says:
>
>In  <1992Apr14.021452.12335@henson.cc.wwu.edu>  n8441213@henson.cc.wwu.edu
>(Gar
>Rutledge) writes:
>>
>> What's a mushroom pin? Bottom mushroom pin?  Are these a shape to limit
>> the amount of 'UP' you can move the pin?
>
>A spool pin is shaped like a spool of thread.  A mushroom pin has one end
>shaped like that and the other end normal, and the middle tapered.  A
>"bottom mushroom pin" is a bottom pin that's a mushroom pin.  The idea is
>that if someone tries to pick the lock, the cylinder will turn at the
>narrow part of the pin instead of at the shear line, so the cylinder won't
>be able to turn all the way.


     Intriguing.  The must be limitations on where these can be used.
I imagine that locks that have been mastered wouldn't have mushroom pins
or at least wouldn't use them effectively.  How common are mushroom pins?
What's the benefit of spool pins?

                                            Jon