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From: bwb1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BRENT W. BENSON)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: 800 number lists for used boats
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:20:21 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <11370@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>, nall@ibm12.scri.fsu.edu (John Nall) write
s:
{stuff deleted)>
>The local newspaper has practically nothing in it.  Not surprising, of
>course.  This is a small town.  I also looked at some out-of-town
>newspapers (Tampa and St. Petersburg, Florida).  They have more, and
>it looks like the Sunday edition will have even more.
>
>Several people recommended "Soundings" but the local newstand does not
>have it, and has never heard of it.  I bought a sailing magazine from
>them (Cruise World, or something like that) which has ads.  But all the
>ads are for expensive boats.  Understandable, of course.  The boat that
>I am looking for is hardly worth putting an ad in a national magazine
>for :-)
>(stuff deleted)
>John W. Nall              | Supercomputer Computations Research Institute
>nall@mailer.scri.fsu.edu  | Florida State University, Tallahassee, Florida
>    Sorry - no cute quote!  Can't think of anything meaningful.....
>
You really do need SOUNDINGS.  They have boats right wighin your range
advertised by individuals.  So I looked up the address.  $18.95 for 12 month
subscription.

Soundings Publ. Inc.
35 Pratt St.
Essex CT 06426

(203) 767 3200    or fax (203)767 1048
Good luck,
Brent
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From: wes@ian.stx.com (John S.)
Subject: Re: A social problem
Organization: STX, Lanham Maryland
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:36:36 GMT



My wife and I like to sit back and let our dog do the rowing. He's not
particularly good at it though. But that's okay. We're usually not in
much of a hurry. 

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From: scott@bell.b17a.ingr.com (Scott Bell)
Subject: Re: Zincs on boats
Keywords: corrosion
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:05:23 GMT

In article <7599@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM>, alany@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Alan Yelvington) writes:
|> The zincs on your boats are "sacrificial" electrodes
|> to protect the rest of the metal on/in your boat.
|> 
|> Water (especially salt water) is an electrolyte. When
|> dissimiliar metals are suspended in it, their differences
|> cause a current to flow between them.  The metal that
|> is giving off electrons will corrode and wear away. This
|> can be hull plates, the inside of your engine, pitting
|> on your prop or rudder, whatever.   
|> 
|> Zinc is a "less noble" metal that gives up electrons
|> easily.  By electrically connecting the zincs to the
|> rest of the metal in your boat, you are able to predict
|> where corrosion will take place.  It's a lot cheaper to
|> replace a zinc than an engine!
|> 
      Would this also eventually happen to a trailer unloading in salt water?
      I know some trailers that have lights/winches grounded to the trailer
      and/or towing vehicle.

|> Your pal,
|> AL
|> 
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From: www@Ingres.COM (Bill White)
Subject: Re: A social problem
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:49:53 GMT

In article <BxzK4u.41y@news.cso.uiuc.edu> bereson@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
>In article <2670163@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM>, bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith) writes:
>|> In rec.boats, jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
>|> 
>|>     Any suggestions? Any ideas *why* these people cannot imagine a healthy woman
>|>     in her 30's rowing a boat?
>|> 
>|> Please, John, don't make a social issue out of this in the boating
>|> world.  There is already too much hate going around as one group of
>|> people snaps and snarls at other groups in situations that *usually*
>|> do not warrant it.
>|> 
>|> Yes, there are some people out there who still believe that a woman
>|> can't do (insert your favourite item here...).  But most of the people
>|> who say things like that are just trying to be friendly and looking
>|> for something that they can break the ice with.  It's just another way
>|> of saying "What a wonderful day."  They make a *what is intended to be
>|> a harmless joke* and their expectation is that you will just smile and
>|> wave.  Ships that pass: a pleasantry made.  That's all it is.  
>|> 
>|> If you make an issue of it by making some smart answer that is
>|> intended to teach them a lesson, you will not have achieved nothing,
>|> you will have achieved a negative affect.  If they are leather necks,
>|> nothing you say will make them change their minds; if they are not,
>|> you will spoil their day and they will wonder why.
>|> 
>
>This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is a
>fine example of the sexist attitudes that the original post was trying
>to do his share to eliminate.  It is the same attitude that leads to
>debacles such as the hill-thomas affair.  
>
[rest of tirade deleted]
>--
>Andy Bereson           bereson@cs.uiuc.edu          (217)244-3617
>

Andy, I think you're way off base here.  This poster wasn't suggesting it's
ok to make sexist remarks, s/he was just pointing out that a dumb remark
made innocently and with the intent to simply be friendly shouldn't be 
treated in the same way as one made with malice.  Read the last paragraph
again.  You don't change behavior by being vicious toward people who are
just trying to be friendly.  Punishment isn't the only way to teach.

--Bill
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley)
Subject: Re: Outboard Problems
Organization: Microbial Pathogenesis and Motorcycle Maintenance
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:34:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.145055.15383@zehntel.com> mikeg@zehntel (Mike Goldstein) writes:
>From: mikeg@zehntel (Mike Goldstein)
>Subject: Outboard Problems
>Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:50:55 GMT

>I am having a problem with a 1981 Evinrude 140 (non-VRO).
>It starts fine, runs okay, accelerates fine, but after a few
>seconds at high speed it drops dead - doesn't run rough or cough, 
>just stops cold. It restarts fine. 
>Any ideas? I suspect the fuel pump. I was alone with it so I couldn't
>pump the primer bulb while it was running to test this theory. What
>else should I look for?? The boat is drydocked now until spring.


>thanks-
>mike goldstein

Another possibility might be the stator. Sometimes when they go bad,  it 
starts with an intermittent open circuit when they heat up.

 - Steve
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From: whoward@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (Will Howard)
Subject: Re: Coyote spotted, no sign of Mike Plant
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:45:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.142819.12018@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (wayne.m.simpson) writes:
>   The whole idea of the extreme beam boat is to maximize initial stability
>in order to carry a big rig. That way, you can get by with less ballast,
>and therefore, less overall weight. Trouble is, that wide hull is heavy,
>so you need an even bigger rig to drive it. With a bigger rig, you need 
>more ballast to mantain the required stability. Get the picture?
>   I think a better concept is the one explored by "Holger Danske", des-
>igned by Dave Gerr. She is just the opposite of boats like Coyote, with
>an extremely narrow beam. How narrow? 9 feet, 7 inches (2.9 meters) for
>a boat 60 feet long overall. Long, narrow hulls are more easily driven
>than wide ones, and are also lighter. So Holger Danske didn't need such
>a big rig to get her moving. How small? Only 987 square feet. With such
>a small rig, she didn't need so much ballast to keep her upright and
>total wieght was thereby kept down. Holger Danske did pretty well in the
>last BOC, and I think her concept is ultimately the one that can provide
>for a boat that is both fast and safe.

The "Santa Cruz" boats such as Bill Lee's SC27 through 70 series, the Olson 30,
Moore 24, etc., also go this design route of a light, narrow, highly ballasted,
easily driven hull. Some of them have done some serious offshore races like the
Transpac, but I don't know what kind of weather they encountered.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: siegman@EE.Stanford.EDU (Anthony E. Siegman)
Subject: Alcort's Address (Sunfishes, Sailfishes), Anyone?
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 20:32:41 GMT

   If anyone has Alcort's address or phone number (they make the
Sunfish and Sailfish sail,boats, I believe), or even just the city
where they're located, I'd appreciate a msg.  They don't seem to have
an 800 number, and browsing several sailing magazines and calling
a couple of local boat stores hasn't yielded anything.

   Thanks much for any reply...

   siegman@sierra.stanford.edu

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From: fritzz@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (fritz zaucker)
Subject: Re: boat drinks
Originator: fritzz@ko.ldgo.columbia.edu
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory, Columbia University, New
	York
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 16:30:39 GMT

In article <28169@castle.ed.ac.uk> wex@castle.ed.ac.uk (John Wexler) writes:


   In article <Bxo73n.98p@news.cso.uiuc.edu>,
   andy@hendrix.ece.uiuc.edu (Andy Bereson) writes:
   |> Well you know you have to serve grog (or at least offer it).  It's
   |> watered down rum a'la the british navy.  Mix dark rum and water 1:1.
   |> (It's not a very pleasant drink, though very nautical).

Well, I don't really know if the British really drink it like that, I
kind of doubt it, as they have reasonable good taste as far as
drinking is concerned.

The german recipe for grog is about as follows:

Rum must be.
Sugar may be.
Water must not be.

And over all, grog is served HOT.

I guess the sentence about the water depends a little on the kind of
rum you use and on your taste. Beware, it might not need a lot of this
drink ...

Fritz
From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:50:13 GMT
Subject: Re: A social problem
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.boats

In rec.boats, jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:

    Any suggestions? Any ideas *why* these people cannot imagine a healthy woman
    in her 30's rowing a boat?

Please, John, don't make a social issue out of this in the boating
world.  There is already too much hate going around as one group of
people snaps and snarls at other groups in situations that *usually*
do not warrant it.

Yes, there are some people out there who still believe that a woman
can't do (insert your favourite item here...).  But most of the people
who say things like that are just trying to be friendly and looking
for something that they can break the ice with.  It's just another way
of saying "What a wonderful day."  They make a *what is intended to be
a harmless joke* and their expectation is that you will just smile and
wave.  Ships that pass: a pleasantry made.  That's all it is.  

If you make an issue of it by making some smart answer that is
intended to teach them a lesson, you will not have achieved nothing,
you will have achieved a negative affect.  If they are leather necks,
nothing you say will make them change their minds; if they are not,
you will spoil their day and they will wonder why.

My advice, which I give freely and willingly at every possible
opportunity, is to just smile and say something inane--"Ah! Now that's
our secret."

You and your wife know who you are.

B.S!
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From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Subject: Coyote spotted, no sign of Mike Plant
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:05:20 GMT
Reply-To: dwl@watson.ibm.com 
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center

From CBS radio and UPI, this afternoon (11/22) Coyote's been spotted, capsized,
with no signs of life. UPI is carrying a story on the news wire with
similiar information, attributing the sighting to a passing freighter,
near the Azores. The UPI story also reports that the freighter did not
attempt to board Coyote. 

I imagine there will be more detailed news available soon, if I see any
more details, I'll post them here. 

David W. Levine --  dwl@watson.ibm.com  -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
                   -- My Opinions, IBM's hardware. -- 
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your
aim" - George Santayana
From: myoung@digi.lonestar.org (Michael Young)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: 800 number lists for used boats
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:55:52 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <11370@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> nall@ibm12.scri.fsu.edu (John Nall) writes:
>
>Having gotten quite a few replies to my query on what sort of boat I
>should look for (Re: Looking for name to go with sailboat...), I now
>have a list of about a half dozen which seem to fit my needs.  The
>next step, of course, is to look for a boat which is on that list.
>
>The local newspaper has practically nothing in it.  Not surprising, of
>course.  This is a small town.  I also looked at some out-of-town
>newspapers (Tampa and St. Petersburg, Florida).  They have more, and
>it looks like the Sunday edition will have even more.

What you need is the Florida Sailboat Trader, which you should find in 
nearly every convienience store, on the same rack as the Auto Trader's.
This publication lists hundreds of boats each week, rangeing in size from
over 100 footers to Zodiac dingys.  There is a photo of each boat with a 
brief description of the equipment and info on who to contact.  it's exactly
the same format as the auto traders.
I live in Dallas and i subscribe to 
this publication to help me keep up to date on the used boat market.
(i am looking for a boat to live on and cruise the planet).

>
>One interesting thing, however, was that under "Boats for Sail" in the
>magazine were a couple of 800 numbers which claimed to have databases
>for used boats, and that they would send a list for free if only I were
>to call them.  I did, and they promised.  Real person one time, who wanted
>to know my price range, length of boat, etc.  Sounded friendly.  Other one
>an answering machine.
>
>Anyone have any experience with these 800 number lists?  Intuitively, it

I've used the one called "for sale by owner".  They asked for my purchase 
parameters (size, number of hulls, price range, sail or power) and within
a week i had what looked like the output of some spreadsheet type data base
with one line per boat.  There were about 30 boats listed that were within
my parameters.  kind of dissapointing for a national database.  but, it cost
me nothing so i won't complain.


-- 

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T. Micheal Young  "WindRider"  H-18 13755
myoung@digi.lonestar.org
From: ian@lassen.wpd.sgi.com (Ian Clements)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Sailing schools and boat buying
Date: 22 Nov 92 06:08:34 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA


 In the South Bay, at Spinnaker Sailing-Redwood City, Santana 22's,
J24's make up the majority of the fleet.   For sailing in the
bay, the Santana is a good little boat.
--

--
Ian Clements, 			| 
ian@sgi.com, 415/390-3410 	| Towards the beans! Towards the beans!
From: gerstle@hydra.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Request for Info: Broker references (east & gulf coasts)
Keywords: broker reference New England
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:03:56 GMT
Reply-To: gerstle@hydra.enet.dec.com ()
Distribution: ne
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


When I was in the market for a sailboat last year, I tried dealing with a
number of brokers - only one stood out as really caring and interested in
something more than a quick buck.

I would recommend, without reservation, Westy Adams at Sailboats Northeast in
Marblehead, MA. 617-631-4910.

Strangely enough, Westy returns calls, often in minutes! He owns the brokerage
and has owned a range of sailboats - I trust his input and he did not steer me
wrong.

Carl

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From: pfein@remus.rutgers.edu (August West)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Looking for a laser
Keywords: laser
Date: 21 Nov 92 00:14:01 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Does anyone know where I might start looking for a used laser (not a
laser II) in the NY/NJ Tri-state area.  I'm looking for an older boat
I can get a very good price on.  Even a boat that needs some
fiberglass work.  The lower the price the better.  It must have a full
size rig.  Any suggestions, help, or offers appreciated.


Peter Fein
Rutgers University Sailing Team
"Good things happen in an FJ when its blowin 20"
pfein@remus.rutgers.edu
pfein@romulus.rutgers.edu
From: bennett@erich.triumf.ca (P.Bennett)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Help me with buying my first boat
Date: 18 Nov 1992 23:26 PST
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1ec3neINNrgs@agate.berkeley.edu>, jeffw@scam.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Wallace) writes...
> 
>I've been sailing for a year and I'm considering buying my first
>boat.  I'm looking at buying a Cal 20.  I sailed one this summer and
>had a great time with it.  I'm only planning on day sailing on
>the bay and it's a good boat for that.  I've found one for $1000
>and I'm interested, but I don't know the right things to look out 
>for and what all the expenses I'll have with a boat.
> 
Cal-20's are great little boats.  I bought a used one in 1968, used it for a
year, then leased it to a sailing school who used it much harder than an
individual would have.  When the school went out of business in 1988, I sold
the boat for $1000 - probably should have asked more.  Another sailing school
has "inherited"  some of the first school's boats, and is still using them for
teaching.

Some of the boats (including mine) had a fairly serious overhaul, repairing
fiberglass cracks, rotting wood parts, etc., but the boats survived the torture
the students gave them.

You should try contacting the San Francisco racing fleet - they will surely
encourage you to buy it, and may give you leads on used sails (racers like to
buy new sails frequently - a sail too "used" for racing is entirely adequate
for cruising.)
The SF Fleet Captain is:
	Howard Martin
	555 Pierce St., Apt. 1626C
	Albany, CA, 94706


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Internet: bennett@erich.triumf.ca   | of one another only when one can be
Bitnet:   bennett@triumfer          | observed visually from the other
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From: kell@mprgate.mpr.ca (Dave Kell)
Subject: Re: Question about zinc...
Reply-To: kell@mprgate.mpr.ca (Dave Kell)
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:24:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.141043.14356@cs.brown.edu>, jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
|> 
|> The result: after 5.5 months in the water, the zinc is about
|> 25% gone. Is this about normal?
|> 

I put two or three of the football-shaped zincs on my shaft, and I find that
I go through at least two of them per year.  The boat's in the water year round.
From talking with people at our marina, it seems that it depends who your
neighbors are.  One guy in our club was going through 3 every six months.
After moving to a new slip in the same marina, he goes through 2 a year.  My 
boat has no shore power, so I doubt I'm the main problem, but most boats 
around mine are plugged in, and some of the ground connections are somewhat 
doubful.

Q:  Can you have TOO MUCH zinc on your boat?  I can't see how it could be a 
problem, but I seem to be the only one around who puts three on his shaft.

|> Also, on the engine itself, there's a heat exchanger.
|> The result: usually the zinc is almost completely gone; the pencil has
|> broken off somewhere in the middle, and the "stub" is lying around on the
|> bottom of the exchanger, along with sundry other bits of broken zinc. 
|> 
I believe this zinc prevents the baffles in the heat exchanger from corroding
through, so that the fresh-water part of the system stays closed.  Some heat
exchangers don't have them, and they eventually fail due to corrosion.

My engine's raw water cooled :-(, so I can't comment on the frequency of
replacement.

dK
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