From: jpark@rwja.umdnj.edu (John Park)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Keywords: asian american, media, WHINING!
Date: 19 Dec 92 04:12:29 GMT
Organization: Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, Piscataway NJ

underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>In article <Bz6Kyw.CKI@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca
 
>(The One Your Mother Warned You About!) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec12.213830.3854@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>>But I will say that many of the type #2 immigrants were sexist and narrow
>>>-minded jerks (in reference to "A Thousand Pieces of Gold"); they bought and
>>>sold Chinese-ge women, literally.  These women were forced to stripped naked
>>>so that the Chinese-ge jerks could assess their "equipment" and than offer
>>>a suitable price for the merchandise.  This was indeed slavery, and 
>>>regrettably, the American gov't did nothing to stop it.  (After the
>>>scene in "A Thousand Pieces of Gold", where a Chinese-ge woman was told
>>>in Cantonese to strip naked by the "product manager" for the Chinese-ge
>>>"customer" in San Francisco, I changed the TV channel.  It was too painful
>>>to watch.  Such baboons.  Such incredible baboons!)
>>HAHAHAHA! You had better separate fact with Historical fiction.
>>Ha, I better catch the latest Harold Robins mini series to get the
>>load down on America. Hahahaah! Oh god this one takes the cake.
>>You should quit your day job and become a comedian, man!

>Hey, Chinese-cu boy.  Laugh at yourself.

>(I don't normally reply to Mr. Raymond Tang because this is about the peak
>of his intellectual caliber and because I suspect that he had complicit
>knowledge of the person who flooded my mailbox from his site.  In fact,
>this will be my first direct reply to him in about 8 months.)

>Anyhow, here is a quote from the computerized film-library catalogue,
>concerning the movie "A Thousand Pieces of Gold".

>   Citation 1.1 (NOTES continued)
>          Summary: The true story of a young Chinese woman torn from her 
>            homeland and forced to survive in frontier America. An innocent 
>            woman in an Idaho mining town's thriving bordello, Lalu rebels and 
>            pays a terrible price for her fight against racism and sexism. 
>            Wagered as a piece of property, Lalu is handed over to her new 
>            owner, Charlie, who opens the door to a whole new life for Lalu--
>            and for himself.

>As you readers can see, the movie is a true story.  If you see the movie,
 
ahem.  The movie was based on an actual first person account.  
It is like saying a movie based on a diary is a bonafide true story.
It wasn't a documentary, and still, Nazis' make documentaries also,
how true can they be.  <ok, the film makers aren't like Nazis, but the
fallibility of even our "highly trusted" "news documentaries" should
be kept in mind>  Dwight is confusing the movie with reality. - Classic
case of stereotype dissemination from a story.

>you'll note that Chinese-ge men gawked at the Chinese-ge women as their
>Chinese-ge "owner" told them to strip naked.  The Chinese-ge customers wanted
>to evaluate the "merchandise" before buying it.  (Note that the "loving"
>parents of these Chinese-ge women actually SOLD THEM INTO SLAVERY!  The
>boys weren't sold; the girls were sold!  Understand Chinese-cu misogyny.)

>Yes.  The American gov't is at fault for not stopping the slave trade in
>Chinese-ge women.  Literally.  But what do you call the Chinese-cu baboons
>who purchased the slaves?  (This is a rhetorical question since it already
>contains the answer.)

>Compare (1) this treatment that Chinese-ge women received in Chinese-cu
>society and (2) the treatment that Caucasian-ge women received in Western
>society at the time.  Sure.  #2 was horrible.  But it was almost kind by
>the standards of #1.

>From this base level, #2 has evolved to that in 20th-century Western
>culture.  #1 has also evolved to that in 20th-century Chinese culture.
>Now, given that incredible difference in the base level back then (in
>the SAME TIME PERIOD), we can understand why "modern" Chinese-cu culture
>still treats women so horribly, compared to modern Western culture.

>We can now understand why Chinese-ge women living in the FREE U.S.A.
>prefer American-cu (most being Caucasian) men to Chinese-cu (most being
>Chinese-ge) men.  This certainly goes a long way to explaining the 
>interesting ratios that appear.  (Please see my other post that was posted
>today.)

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Dear Dwight,
	From your posts, I wonder how anyone in their right mind, can condemn
a multi-varied & vast l people who draw selectively from a vast culture,
by scraping the bottom of the cultures' bad points, and make an ignoramous
error of logic by projecting these worst cases onto the rest of the persons.
How can someone, call all the chinese people bigots without being a bigot also.
(unless one is playing the Fool, but this I doubt, for the sake of 
 entertainment & arguement purposes.)  

Therefore....
Flames : set to HIGH.

	After reading your description of that "Thousand Pieces of Gold" 
"docudrama" (docudrama - fictionalized from fact, as opposed to 
	     politics - factualized from fiction^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H)
I can understand a little of why you are ????-ge, bigot-cu.
You, like some others who watch & learn sublatent racist propaganda (but it was a
well made, interesting movie), remove the filter objective reality
between your eyes & brain.   And let that group hate mongering fecal matter
drool into your head from the television, by the bucketload.

Dwight, your complete digestion of this movie into your mind, and your
subsequent extrapolation of the asian male characters into reality and to all
so called "chinese-cu" is a classic example of how the knowledge of stereotypes
(racism - to believe, conciously or subconciously, those stereotypes) is 
disseminated from television & movies.

Flames: off, back to the thread.

Of all the possible worthwhile "true stories" about the asian immigration   
experience, why was this story chosen for production?  Who chose to fund
and push this movie?  Movies and TV stories don't happen at random.
When one sees a movie or watches television, one does not see the camera
crew around the box we're seeing.  There is a producer & scriptwriter
(even for Network News, Inc.) telling the camera crew how to frame the picture,
and supplying the accompanying commentary.
The camera is a selective eye, putting what it considers important into the
field of view, and leaving out of focus or out of view, that which is thought
unimportant or not matching the facts to support its (opinion of) the truth.
 
"A Thousand Pieces of Gold," one of the few stories about chinese immigration
history, almost made it to the mainstream TV - PBS.
Here again, all
the asian men were portrayed as scum, even her father, the one who sold her
away in a cold and cruel manner.  And in the bar, where the successful
asian-american businessman who bought her is prostituting her, the white 
guy steps in and tries to save s^H her from the evil asian guy.... I turned
the channel after that. 
(I don't have a TV of my own anymore. , With this drivel 
on the airwaves, I didn't have the 200$ cash to pay so I can have the 
privelege of getting pissed off.)
I don't hate TV.  It's only  a box, that we passively stare at for hours.
It holds great promising as a teaching tool.  I just get pissed off at
some of the "lessons" that spout out of it.


----John S. Park, UMDNJ-RWJ, Rutgers, jpark@rwja.umdnj.edu

Disclaimer : 2am, the night before a final, argh!
Further Disclaimer: irrational paranoia, movies don't affect society at all,
	they don't spread ideas, racism towards asians doesn't exist either,
	and if it did, we shouldn't do anything about.
.
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"Not!" - Madonna
Ha, ha, ha,aha, ha.........chuckle, snort, ha, ha.....
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