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From: Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Broughton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Comic Strips -- American Cultural Imperialism over Canad
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:43:43 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

More on the _National Lampoon_'s treatment of Canada: It was called the "Bummer
Issue".
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Robert Broughton    Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca

"Moose do not have the vote so as far as most politicians are concerned
they do not count. The silent majority rarely attends public meetings and 
never writes letters to the editor. They do not demand jobs or housing. 
Regardless, I am one legislator who thinks that not only do moose deserve 
a hearing, but that specific moose questions deserve more consideration 
in our political forums." - Yukon Premier Tony Penikett, from _Another 
Lost Whole Moose Catalog_
From: migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Sydney Sharpe and Don Braid's new book on the Reform Party
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:32:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: jarvis.1992Apr9.103221.5043
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto

In article <1992Apr08.180426.25488@bmerh2.bnr.ca> nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.140634.6190@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>>
>>Did Trudeau's religious background, and his charisma, and the cult of
>>personality which developed around him ever concern you?  
>
>Note that I was very disappointed to see Trudeau sneak that reference
>to God in the preamble to the Constitution (remember, this wasn't
>part of the initial tabled document - it was the last change
>introduced before ratification).  I don't see what benefit this
>provided, and it does provide the opportunity for future abuse on
>religious grounds.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm positive the dietal (if it isn't a word,
it should be) reference was put it to appease the Tory backbench, which
was kicking up a real fuss.

-- 
Mike Godfrey   	           		"Either that wallpaper goes, or I do."
Dept of Comp Sci, UofT      	         	-- allegedly, the last words
migod@turing.toronto.edu			   of Oscar Wilde
From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Subject: Re: Queen of Canada
Organization: sgi
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 02:40:15 GMT

 
|> In article <1992Apr13.162151.7504@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu>, cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Cary Timar) writes:
|> 
|> > I feel that the UK monarchy is fine, but there is a slight flaw in the
|> > Canadian one.  The UK has a tradition of replacing monarchs they don't
|> > like (eg. Edward VIII).  There is a sort-of mechanism for doing this.
|> > 
|> > Canada has, at least traditionally, been stuck with the problem of taking
|> > the British monarch, or having none. 

It's ironic, I think, that you specifically mentioned Edward VIII since
his case invalidates what you say here:

When the proposal emerged that Edward abdicate, Baldwin pointed out that
under the terms of the Statute of Westminster (1931), the King could
only abdicate after receiving advice from all Dominion governments.
Each then tendered their advice separately, and since all agreed, an 
Abdication Delclaration Act was drawn up.   In the Preamble, it listed 
the Dominion Governments which had given their consent.    The Union 
of South Africa went one step further, declaring that since the King 
was King in South Africa he could abdicate from the throne of South 
Africa as a separate act, independent of his status in the rest of 
the Dominions.   The Irish Free State, which had several years 
previously passed a Constitution Amendment Act which removed all 
references to the throne, made a declaration that the new King, 
George VI, could act for the Irish Free State in matters of external 
affairs insofar as the Executive Council in Ireland advised him to 
do so,

In fact, the abdication was one of the first events which made the
independence of the Dominions concrete.   The other, I suppose, was 
their separate signatures to the Treaty of Versailles.

jon. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa
From: albion@bnr.ca (Alan Buchanan)
Subject: Re: Canada and the U.S.
Originator: albion@bcrks63
Reply-To: alanbu@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:56:08 GMT


I shall leave the Canadian specific stuff to Canadians but I have an observation.

There are many observable similarities between the relationship between 
the Canadian and American people and the Scottish and English.

Of course you have to eliminate the obvious differences with government
and, today being election day, Nationalist movements.

However, if you simply look at ordinary folk there are similarities.

The population ratio of ~ 1:10
The smaller population is in the colder less "desirable" sector
There are a heck of a lot of commonalities
Neither side mistakes itself for the other

The smaller population feels that it is ignored
The larger population thinks that it knows the others are there, but what of it?
The smaller population is intimately familiar with major facets of the
larger populations life.
Many of the larger population have one or two stereotypes and a romantic notion
of what life there must be like.

The actions of the larger group have effects within the smaller group
 which are similar to the effects on sub-groups within the larger group.
 The larger group argue that this shows that it is fair. The smaller group
 argues that as they are distict, it is therefore unfair.

The smaller population has some difficulty in expressing what it feels are
the fundamental differences, but being more caring is certainly one of them.
The larger population would make a better list if it could spare the time.

Finally for Canadians. Although the population ratio is only ~1:5 there
are a bunch of Quebecers who would like to make many of the same points.



                                      Alan



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  Methods           Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, K1Y 4H7  

alanbu@bnr.ca        

        Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire.
                         - William Butler Yeats
From: lb31+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lothar Boensch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: WHERE ARE THE HOCKEY STANDINGS???????
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:18:44 GMT
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Servus!

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                             The number of Canadians who:
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                                            *Support Brian Mulroney 9%  
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:3353 soc.culture.usa:2915
From: 00rdharringt@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Comic Strips -- American Cultural Imperialism ove
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:30:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.004312.1600@cs.sfu.ca>, jamie@cs.sfu.ca (Jamie Andrews) writes:
> 
>      Well, there is one strip by a Canadian that I know about:
> _For Better or Worse_, by Lynn Johnson.  But although I don't
> think she refers to the USA, I have never seen any references to
> Canada in that strip.
> 
> 
> --Jamie.
>   jamie@cs.sfu.ca

I can't point out any specific instances but I did know _For Better or Worse_
was Canadian.  Like I said I remember reading something in the strip but
I can't remember what... Good strip though... (Far Side is still my favorite)..

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:3410 soc.culture.usa:2959
From: albion@bnr.ca (Alan Buchanan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Canada and the U.S.
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:59:40 GMT
Reply-To: alanbu@bnr.ca
Distribution: na
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Originator: albion@bcrks63


In article <1992Apr9.062711.17936@sol.UVic.CA>, jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:

> 
> I think, as a Canadian, it would be incredibly good for the morale of the
> Canadian people (and might just push Mulroney's popularity up enough for
> him to get re-elected) if Canada severed all trade ties with the US.  We
> can survive easily without US trade.  I don't think the US can say the same.
> 
> What the clowns in Ottawa should realize is that Canada can afford to bargain
> from a vantage of strength.  We have more resources to offer.  Reducing trade
> with the US could increase the strength of the Canadian dollar on the world
> market (but would also increase inflation; something we could stand with 
> one of the lowest inflation rates in the world).
> 

Hey, that could certainly make for an interesting July 1st.

Well I suppose there could be some geographical anomaly that affects thinking
here but I have difficulty with this one. I suspect that we are not going to 
run short of corn and shingles but exactly who is going to service the
debt?

I can point to a group of energy suppliers in Quebec who are becoming less
convinced about dependence on resources.

Before people make rash decisions, they should ponder the possibility that
it could be worse. Sticking pins into dolls of George Bush, Carla Hill,
etc. will probably not help but it would be better.


                              Alan



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Alan Buchanan       Bell-Northern Research, Ltd       Ph.: (613) 763-2750
Silicon Design      P.O. Box 3511, Station C          Fax: (613) 763-3970
  Methods           Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, K1Y 4H7  

alanbu@bnr.ca        

        Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire.
                         - William Butler Yeats
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:3538 can.politics:3926
From: mchui@spinner.cs.indiana.edu (Michael Chui)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Subject: Re: Get Ready Canada For The Next Boom
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:39:45 GMT
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington

In article <1992Apr16.014701.12522@seachg.uucp> jalsop@seachg.UUCP (John Alsop) writes:

>The reality is that the overhead of the GST is trivial...

	But what about the costs of causing everyone to automatically write
everything in triplicate?

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Michael Chui
mchui@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
Subject: Re: Postal Codes (was Re: QC)
Summary: Yes and no.
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 08:19:25 GMT

Coady Michael (coady@ERE.UMontreal.CA) writes:
> Do Canadian provinces have two-letter codes these days?  Pardon me, but
> I was out of the country ...  To the best of my limited knowledge, there
> is no stricture in Canada against the use of abbreviations longer than
> two letters, unlike custom in the United States.

In the US, the post office is big on standard ways of writing addresses.
They have standardized the abbreviations for many common words in
addresses, not just the state names, and they ask people to use them.
In Canada, this is not the case (or if it is, it's a well-kept secret).

However, a series of 2-letter abbreviations for the Canadian provinces
and territories has gradually seen more and more widespread use over
the past decade or so.  These abbreviations were chosen to not conflict
with the existing 2-letter series for the states (etc.) of the US.
(I have heard it said that Nebraska was changed from NB to NE so that
New Brunswick could have NB, but I don't know if this is true.  Any
Nebraskans reading this?)

My conjecture is that the main reason for the 2-letter abbreviations to
begin being used here is that it suits the convenience of mailing-list
software written in the US (goodness knows what they do with addresses
in Europe!); eventually others started copying it, and now it's widespread.

Widespread enough that, about 3 years ago, Canada Post's directory of
postal codes switched from the traditional to the 2-letter abbreviations.
The directory also includes a list of the 2-letter abbreviations, though
it does *not* instruct or recommend that they actually be used.  They are:

	NF NS PE NB PQ ON MB SK AB BC NT YT

As I noted a while back, PQ is based on the traditional abbreviation in
French for the province, P.Q.; but the provincial government and many
other people there have adopted QC instead, and there is some conflict
of opinion over which should be used.  (I won't speculate on motives here.
It seems to be a political issue.)
-- 
Mark Brader, SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com
#define	MSB(type)	(~(((unsigned type)-1)>>1))

This article is in the public domain.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: *** 1992 World Curling Championships (how did Canada do?)
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:13:30 GMT

hlee@unixg.ubc.ca (Henry Lee) writes:
>			
>        Canada - Women : Connie Laliberte from the Fort Rouge
>			  Curling Club, Winnipeg, Manitoba

By the way, does anyone know if Connie's twin sister (Corinne) plays
on her team or not?

gld
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare				U.S. Elections 1992, Vote Now:
> gld@cunixB.cc.columbia.EDU		a) Elvis 50's stamp, or
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			b) Elvis 70's stamp?
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:3376 soc.culture.usa:2929
From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Comic Strips -- American Cultural Imperialism ove
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:37:33 GMT
Organization: UB

I think the subtle mentions of Canadian topics tend not to be noticed
by Canadians simply because they are what is familiar.  A mention of 
visiting grandparents in Vancouver just registers as "normal".  Same
with sending Michael out to Winnipeg for the summer.  A trip to the
farm in Iowa or a trip to Seattle would stand out as "American"
references, I imagine.  Then again I'm probably wrong, having been
born on the wrong side of the border by about 25 km ;-)

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hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu        differ. You are entitled to your       
v085pwpz@ubvms.bitnet           opinions, please respect mine.  Thanks.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: ash@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (David Ash)
Subject: Re: Get Ready Canada For The Next Boom  
Originator: dash@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:24:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.174013.1089@sol.UVic.CA> jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.164829.29733@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> ash@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (David Ash) writes:
>>Also I don't see how the GST would have much effect.  GST money just stays
>>in the country so it wouldn't seems to have much of an impact on the overall
>>health of the economy.
>
>Put seven percent on practically every consumer product in the country, and
>spending decreases.  Reduce spending, economy hurts.  Very simple.  

But the government spends every dollar it takes in and more, so it's just
pumping that money back out into the economy.

Now gov't debt, where the debt is owed to *foreigners*, has a tangible effect
on the economy since the resources of the country must be diverted to repay
that debt with interest.  The GST may be vaguely connected with foreign debt
but if so it is the foreign debt Canadians should be talking about not the
GST in this context.
-- 
David W. Ash               | "What profits a man if he keeps his eternal soul
ash@sumex-aim.stanford.edu |  when he could have lived life to the full and
HOME: (415) 497-1629       |  been forgiven at the end of it all anyway?"
WORK: (415) 725-3859       |         --David Merritt, a.k.a. THE RED SHARK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa
From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Re: Canada and the U.S.
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 06:27:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.084346.6620@midway.uchicago.edu> mss2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>As noted above, this does happen, though I still think that the
>US and Canada are too valuable to one another to let those
>disagreements get too bitter.

I think, as a Canadian, it would be incredibly good for the morale of the
Canadian people (and might just push Mulroney's popularity up enough for
him to get re-elected) if Canada severed all trade ties with the US.  We
can survive easily without US trade.  I don't think the US can say the same.

What the clowns in Ottawa should realize is that Canada can afford to bargain
from a vantage of strength.  We have more resources to offer.  Reducing trade
with the US could increase the strength of the Canadian dollar on the world
market (but would also increase inflation; something we could stand with 
one of the lowest inflation rates in the world).


>True to an extent (though true to a smaller extent than any other
>major power in history).  Admittedly, Canada isn't measuring us
>against Britain's treatment of India or the USSR's treatment of
>Poland, or even against our own past treatment of Canada
>(which included the occasional invasion).  I'm hardly inclined
>to think that the US is in no need of improvement with respect to
>Canada.

Time to re-enact the war of 1812.  Time to blow up the White House again.


------
Scowling Jim Cowling (jcowling@butterfly.UVic.CA)
Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria
(opinions disassociated, but what can they do about them?)
"...an eternity with Beelzebub and all his hellish instruments of death shall
 be a picnic compared to five minutes with me...and this pencil."
					-E. Blackadder
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Re: Canada and the U.S.
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 06:33:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.163934.15864@ccu.umanitoba.ca> yackob@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Kerry Yackoboski) writes:
>the cops from Chicago (might have been Detroit, sorry for the
>vagueness) who came to Winnipeg in February trying to enforce a court
>order from one of their local courts.  They broke into a home over the
>protests of the residents and kidnapped the daughter, taking her to the
>US border where the suspicious US border guards held them up until
>Winnipeg police could arrive.  Although when contacted their supervisor
>said they were off duty and he knew nothing about it, they flashed
>their badges and waved the court order as though they had the right to
>enforce it in Canada.  I'm curious to know whether they thought they
>were in the wrong and trying to get away with a crime, or whether they
>really thought they were within their rights.  I hope the former.

This is the thing that single most picks my ass about the US:  their pre-
conception (perhaps it's part of Manifest Destiny?) that their laws are the
only laws, and that they may enforce them anywhere they please.  The invasion
of Panama is the best example of this.  What gives them the right?  I think
that in the case you cited above they really thought they were within their
rights.  And that's a scary concept.

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Creative Writing Department     |   have to shoot _you_ now', it's 'he doesn't
University of Victoria          |   have to shoot _me_ now'.  Well, I say he
Opinions Disassociated          |   _does_ have to shoot me now.  So shoot me
Fnord                           |   now!!"   -the immortal D. Duck
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Organization: Junior, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:01:05 -0400 
From: Derek Rubinoff <dr36+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Degrading to yins
	<1992Apr14.222819.27283@unixg.ubc.ca>

To censor those who make "degrading" remarks shows a weak stomach.

To need to use official force to shut up the abnoxious is even more pathetic.

Shame!



~!@#$%^&*()_++_)(*&^%$#@!~~!@#$%^&*()_++_)(*&^%$#@!~

	Derek Rubinoff  of Carnegie Mellon, limited.   dr36+@andrew.cmu.edu
	cosmopolitan Pittsburgh {yikes!}	
	viva one nation under a funky groove
	Yo momma's a yinser.
	
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: ash@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (David Ash)
Subject: Re: Get Ready Canada For The Next Boom 
Originator: dash@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:48:29 GMT

>>In article <1992Apr5.235034.16943@descartes.waterloo.edu> sitomlin@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Stephen I. Tomlinson) writes:
>>>A rare event has occurred.  An article which accurately puts the
>>>Canadian economy in perspective has appeared in Canada's largest 
>>>newspaper, The Toronto Star.
>
>>Note though, that all the figures are for 1988 and 1989.
>>GST, FTA, research cutbacks, factory shutdowns, etc. have all happened
>>since then, and a lot more are planned for the near future.
>>What will the 1992 and 1993 figures be like?

This is just the type of Canadian doom and gloom the article was trying to
suggest that people avoid.  The point of the article was more Canada's
relative standing in the world, and the world as a whole is in a recession
right now.  Therefore there's no reason to believe that Canada has lost
standing in the world because of the recession.

Also I don't see how the GST would have much effect.  GST money just stays
in the country so it wouldn't seems to have much of an impact on the overall
health of the economy.
-- 
David W. Ash               | "What profits a man if he keeps his eternal soul
ash@sumex-aim.stanford.edu |  when he could have lived life to the full and
HOME: (415) 497-1629       |  been forgiven at the end of it all anyway?"
WORK: (415) 725-3859       |         --David Merritt, a.k.a. THE RED SHARK