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From: Stefan.Welch@p0.f33.n125.z1.fidonet.org (Stefan Welch)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Pain (N)ever ending?
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:42:21 GMT
Reply-To: Stefan.Welch@p0.f33.n125.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:125/33.0 - BODY DHARMA ONLINE, Oakland CA
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26962

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

 -=> Quoting Michael Rooney to Stefan Welch <=-

 MR> Stefan, read what Linda said and the answer is there. You have to
 MR> accept that fact (if in fact it has to be) and until you do it will
  ......
 MR> get on with your life. Make whatever adjustments you must make in your
 MR> lifestyle and go to it. The more you dwell on it the worse it will
 MR> hurt. Do things that will take your mind of it for a while. If the

 Michael, thanks for your positive thoughts. If I look back even
 just a year, I can see that the preoccupation has dropped
 radically. It is rather that when I happen to think this might
 go on forever I hit a "that does not compute" in my brain. So I
 guess I've adjusted though not accepted.? Hmm. Interesting
 juxtaposition of thoughts maybe that is just fine and all there
 is to be clear about. (This is waxing obscurely philosophical!)
 :)

 A year ago I had just had most of my active life stripped away.
 I felt hugely disoriented.  Today, with 2 phone lines, a headset,
 and a computer I have generated more projects than I (also given
 sanity limitations of chronic pain) can cover. So I guess I'm
 getting on with things the best I can. At least for the moment.
 One day at a time.

 MR> One other thing, and to me the most important. You cannot do it alone.
 MR> I have a strong belief in a Higher Power whom I call GOD and this is a
 MR> great help to me. I do not believe HE is punishing me or anything like

 I have talked with a number of people who find sustenance in a
 Higher Power. The theme of Higher Power currently eludes me. It
 has not always been so. Right now the closest I come to finding
 meaning in this area is my deeply cherished gratitude for my
 small circle of close friends. So tell me, if you'd care to
 elaborate, for my perspective, how do you hold your concept/belief
 of GOD and what does that mean for you? How does that help you
 with pain and manifest in your life? This is not to generate
 spritual debate, but rather to educate my sense of curiosity.

 Happy holidays,

 Stefan

... Catch the Blue Wave!

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From: Wayne.Briggs@p0.f5109.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Wayne Briggs)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Endo or exo arms ?
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:38:20 GMT
Reply-To: Wayne.Briggs@p0.f5109.n124.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/5109.0 - National Amputee Co, Dallas TX
X-Fidonet: Amputee Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26968

[This is from the Amputee Conference]

Would you be willing to share your opinion with  me, if you prefer an
endo or exosketal arm for AE or shoulder prosthesis ?
Does anyone use either the Boston elbow or a or a Hosmer Dorrance NY-VA
electric elbow ?
Does anyone use a myeoeletric hook or the new type O hooks that are
flat, with searated inside edges & forged with vertical "pads" on the
end of the jaws ?

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From: dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil (Jude DaShiell)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: teaching statistics to blind students
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:38:06 GMT
Reply-To: dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil (Jude DaShiell)
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 27017

[This is from the Blind-l mailing list.

I enrolled and passed both semesters of a college statistics course.
I don't know that this makes me any kind of authority but here goes.
Since I was interested in computers at that time I spent alot of
time writing basic programs that would do the statistical calculations.
My professor said that if I could do that I understood alot more than
just the basic content of the course.
I would suggest using that idea I put out earlier for using clay to make
graphs.  It has at least as many possibilities as print provided you
think in terms of texture.  If the teacher and student are into using computers
enough before the course starts it might be useful to do the course in the
way I did earlier.  The teacher had best know the
computer language in question and had best get a copy of the source code
too if this is the way you decide to go.
Hope this helps some

jude <dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil>
From: lewis@vanilla.research.att.com (David Lewis)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: teaching statistics to blind students
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:19:44 GMT
Reply-To: lewis@vanilla.research.att.com (David Lewis)
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26943

[This is from the Blind-L mailing list -- forwarded by Patt Bromberger]

Hi -- My stepfather, Stan, is a sociology professor and has a blind
graduate student who is going to be taking his statistics course.
Since Stan relies heavily on graphs (of density functions and what
not) in teaching statistics, he's trying to figure out how to get
the same ideas across by other means for this student.  Anyone
out there have any relevant experience?

Thanks, Dave

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AT&T Bell Laboratories            email: lewis@research.att.com
600 Mountain Ave.; Room 2C409     ph. 908-582-3976
Murray Hill, NJ  07974; USA       dept. fax. 908-582-7550
From: Stefan.Welch@p0.f33.n125.z1.fidonet.org (Stefan Welch)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: mattress
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:42:08 GMT
Reply-To: Stefan.Welch@p0.f33.n125.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:125/33.0 - BODY DHARMA ONLINE, Oakland CA
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26960

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

 Hi Nancy, I'm new, sidling in.

 -=> Quoting Nancy Kowall to Linda Cummings <=-

 LC> I never thought I'd get any sort of approval from a medical doctor
 LC> for a waterbed...but it does work for me.  I don't know where I'd be
 LC> if I didn't have one.

 NK> For those without a waterbed, you might try zipping up in a sleeping
 NK> bag on a particularly painful night. I found it especially helpful for

 I've been wondering about these variable, air-inflatable
 mattresses (for beds not camping) that I've seen advertized in
 various magazines. Do you (or hello, anyone else out there) know
 anything about them?

 I've  only seen them advertized in comparativley exclusive
 magazines, so I've been shy of trying one out for avoidance of a
 corresponding exlcusively high price tag.

 Thanks,  :-)

 Stefan

... Catch the Blue Wave!

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From: Bill.Ferris@f106.n372.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Ferris)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Chronic Pain Clinics
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:42:15 GMT
Reply-To: Bill.Ferris@f106.n372.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:372/106 - The Medical Forum, Goose Creek SC
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26961

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

I am a retired Naval Hospital Corpsman.  Several times in the past
few years I have had a patient that was told he would have to
"learn to live with the pain".  I tried to find some help for these
folks but seemed to be getting nowhere.  I am now retired, but
still keep up with my old runnin' mates.  If anyone has any info on
Chronic Pain Clinics or such in the Charleston, SC area, please
drop me a note and I will pass it along to as many of the medical
types as I can.

                               Bill

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From: biderman@vm.utcs.utoronto.ca (Beverly Biderman)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Classes involving the disabled
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:38:55 GMT
Reply-To: biderman@vm.utcs.utoronto.ca (Beverly Biderman)
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 27019

It's late, and I can't tell from the very very long list of mail headers
if the response to Shub was yours.  If not, I apologize.

I think Shub raises an important issue that is often overlooked because
we are all being too "kind" and sensitive and "liberal" about handicaps.
We sometimes may overcompensate in trying to be "fair" and as a result
become "unfair" (to all).

The aim is to simply facilitate equal access, and equal opportunities.
We can, as you imply, look at what we may be doing that makes it difficult
 or even impossible for disabled persons to have that equal access.  In the
process of fixing the problem we may often find ourselves created a more
accessible environment for everyone (disabled and not).

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|  Beverly Biderman, Planning Analyst,   |  215 Huron St. 4th Floor, |
|  University of Toronto,                |  Toronto M5S 1A1          |
|  BIDERMAN@vm.utcs.utoronto.ca          |  Canada                   |
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From: sherylb@CAC.WASHINGTON.EDU (Sheryl Burgstahler)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Talking Books, Electronic Textbooks, Etc.
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:06:30 GMT
Reply-To: sherylb@CAC.WASHINGTON.EDU (Sheryl Burgstahler)
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 27008

[From the Blind-L mailing list]

The companies and schools that use the books are required to provide
alternative formats when needed.  They are the ones that need to put
pressure on the publishers.
From: lburns@CLOVIS.FELTON.CA.US (Len Burns)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Classes involving the disabled
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:39:11 GMT
Reply-To: lburns@CLOVIS.FELTON.CA.US (Len Burns)
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 27020

[From the BLINDNWS mailing list]

        Patt Bromberger <patt@squid.tram.com> writes:

> It's late, and I can't tell from the very very long list of mail headers
> if the response to Shub was yours.  If not, I apologize.
>
> I think Shub raises an important issue that is often overlooked because
> we are all being too "kind" and sensitive and "liberal" about handicaps.
> We sometimes may overcompensate in trying to be "fair" and as a result
> become "unfair" (to all).

I strongly agree.  As a student and subsequently an instructor at
the community college level I have seen numerous instances of
faculty over indulging students with disabilities suposedly to give
them an equal opportunity.  In reality what it did give them was a
distorted view of themselves.  They often came to believe that they
had abilities that they lacked and failed to improve upon areas
such as writing or mathematics because they believed based upon
grading that they were skilled in these areas.  These
"accommodations" are the reason I spent the first three years of my
college education learning to write.  I was stubborn and
fortunate--I stuck it out and became a competent writer.  I have
seen many others that having never learned to meet the expectations
of

Fairness is must be a given, but so must be honesty.  Students with
disabilities have the right to accurate feedback about themselves.
That is basic respect.

=========================================================
lburns@clovis.felton.ca.us (len burns)
uunet!scruz.ucsc.edu!clovis.felton.ca.us!lburns
Clovis in Felton, CA
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From: cliffr@pyuxf.att.com
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: facilitated communication (Cliff Roberts)
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:38:10 GMT
Reply-To: cliffr@pyuxf.att.com
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26951

I would like any info pertaining to the application and use of
facilitated communication.  Please include specific results.  I am
interested to know other communicators  used besides the Cannon
Communicator.
From: sackman@plains.nodak.edu (Gleason Sackman)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: ASKERIC New Address (fwd)
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:00:56 GMT
Reply-To: sackman@plains.nodak.edu (Gleason Sackman)
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 27002

[Forwarded from PACS-L by Patt Bromberger]

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

---------- Text of forwarded message ----------

                       ***  TO ALL K-12 EDUCATORS  ***

                  ***  A NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR ASKERIC  ***

ASKERIC now has a new e-mail address: askeric@ericir.syr.edu

Please use this new address when you send messages and questions to
ASKERIC.

ERIC is...
The Educational Resources Information Center (ERIC) is a
federally-funded national information system that provides access to
an extensive body of education-related literature.  ERIC provides a
variety of services and products at all education levels.

ASKERIC is...
ASKERIC is a question-answering service for teachers, library media
specialists, and administrators.  Anyone involved with K-12
education can send an e-mail message to ASKERIC.  Drawing on the
extensive resources of the ERIC system, ASKERIC will respond with an
answer within 48 working hours.  If you have questions about K-12
education, learning, teaching, information technology, educational
administration - ASKERIC.

In the first six weeks of service, ASKERIC has answered hundreds of
questions.  Highlights include helping:

* A reading teacher locate information on a particular instructional
technique.

* A school computer teacher find information on computer software
copyright laws.

* A high school teacher use the Internet as a source of
teaching/learining materials for his school.

* A school administrator find information on student testing.

* A school librarian learn how to conduct ERIC database searches via
the Internet.

If you have an education-related question, ASKERIC will provide an
answer.  To ASKERIC, e-mail your question(s) to:

                          askeric@ericir.syr.edu

Andrew Abrahamson
Network Information Specialist
Internet: askeric@ericir.syr.edu

ERIC Clearinghouse on Information Resources
030 Huntington Hall
Syracuse University
Syracuse, New York 13244-2340
Voice: (315) 443-9114
Fax:   (315) 443-5448

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From: 34AEJ7D@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu (Bill Gorman)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Information Please...
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:38:32 GMT
Reply-To: 34AEJ7D@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu (Bill Gorman)
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 27018

There were over 700 suits using the a.d.a. in 1992 alone.
It sounds like a law library research project to me.

jude <dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil>
From: mschnitg@magic.prime.com (Monica Schnitger)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Prostheses
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:52:57 GMT
Reply-To: mschnitg@magic.prime.com (Monica Schnitger)
Organization: Computervision, Bedford, MA, USA
X-Fidonet: Amputee Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26993

Thanks to all who have responded to my request for information
on prosthetic devices for someone who recently had a knee
disarticulation.  Unfortunately, something happened to our
systems here over the Christmas holiday - I never saw my
original posting appear (although it must have, since people
responded!), and I'm afraid I may have missed some of the replies.

If you sent a reply to the newsgroup before December 30th, please
either resend or email it to me directly.

I have already followed up on a number of the leads you all have
provided - I am amazed at the amount of information available
and at the kindness of the people with whom I have dealt so far.

To update you all: My friend is going for a preliminary prosthesis
fitting on Friday - and now has STACKS of information to pore over
before making a final decision.

Again, thanks for all of your help!

		monica
From: Steve.Brother@f34.n369.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Brother)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Labels
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:40:54 GMT
Reply-To: Steve.Brother@f34.n369.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:369/34 - Gammatown, Sunrise FL
X-Fidonet: Able News Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26955

[This is from the AbleNews Conference]

JS>CC>made him out to be handicapped.
JS>CC>  I thought it was funny for a while, but in otherwise bad taste.
JS>CC>  What did you think about it if you saw it? Anyone?

JS>I saw it the first time they introduced 'handiman'.   From
JS>then on, I refuse to watch the show.  Perhaps I took it too
JS>seriously, but I was offended.  That's my two cents worth...

"In Living Color" is a radical and raunchy show in bad taste. There are
some skits on there that are funny, but most of them are tastless,
esp. "Handiman" and "Antoine the homeless". Those kinds of skits are
insulting and demeaning. I feel that "Handiman" insulting to the
physically challenged. I've been a wheelchair for some time now with no
hope of getting out of it soon. And what even makes it worse is my
deafness.

One time I asked where the ramp was and the man replied, "Hey
guy! You should get Handiman to fly you up those stairs!" and people
around laughed. Boy was I angry! Just shows you the insensivitity(sp?)
out there in the real world. I've even gotten one guy that said I've got
it made cuz I'm disabled.

People just don't understand about handicap people. That's why ADA was
passed to stop discrimination against the disabled. Most people don't
think there is discrimination out there against the disabled, but there
is. And the "handiman" skit in "In Living Color" doesn't help.

Deafie.
sksk

___
 X OLX 2.1 X We're all different, but then again we're all the same!

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From: Stefan.Welch@p0.f33.n125.z1.fidonet.org (Stefan Welch)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: mattress
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:42:28 GMT
Reply-To: Stefan.Welch@p0.f33.n125.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:125/33.0 - BODY DHARMA ONLINE, Oakland CA
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26963

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

 -=> Quoting Linda Cummings to Nancy Kowall <=-

 > For those without a waterbed, you might try zipping up in a
 > sleeping bag on a particularly painful night. I found it
 LC> Not a bad idea, really.  Most of us complain the most when the weather
 LC> is cold.  The heated waterbed does make it nice and warm for me under
 LC> the covers, so I don't see why a sleeping bag wouldn't work, too! ;-)

 Hi Ms. Linda,

 I use a sleeping bag all winter long and, as we all know, the San
 Francisco Bay area has colder summers than winters.  :^)  Hehe.

 No, seriously, an unzipped sleeping bag draped over and then
 tucked under the edges of me all around keeps me toasty, keeps
 me from moving to unwanted positions in the night, and gives that
 oooh, so comfy illusive elusive back-to-the-womb sense.

 All the best, TTFN,

 Stefan

... Open mouth, insert foot, echo internationally.

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From: Bruce.Fox@p0.f5109.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Bruce Fox)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Hello
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:38:30 GMT
Reply-To: Bruce.Fox@p0.f5109.n124.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/5109.0 - National Amputee Co, Dallas TX
X-Fidonet: Amputee Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26969

[This is from the Amputee Conference]

Hey, buddy -- thanks for the welcome. I see from the
backlog you have been eping in touch during your
process these past months -- good going!
I'm doing really well--there has just been a lot of
dealing with the unknown. Actually I just lost half
my thumb so it is about the size that a toe implant
would be. I function really well, just differently
in some situations. I've just been on my own in
finding information and having an opportunity to
compare notes.
I got laid off in September from the marketing
department of one of the Big Six accounting firms on
the management consulting side of the business. I
have been working on the Macintosh computer for 8
years in graphics and desktop publishing
applications. Currently I am temping for one of my
former employer's competitors. Thankfully they are
keeping me busy through the holidays (yay).
Hope you are healing well (inside and outside) and
begin the new year with a bright outlook.
Best Wishes,
Bruce

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From: Russell.Goddard@f650.n107.z1.fidonet.org (Russell Goddard)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Hello!
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:21:56 GMT
Reply-To: Russell.Goddard@f650.n107.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:107/650 - Storm Cloud BBS, Old Bridge NJ
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26983

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

Just today the net began to pickup this echo, and boy am I
thrilled!  Finally! Now there's an echo that's devoted to people
who are just like me.

I just wanted to say hello to the people who are living in the
silent world, and those who are curious about the silent world.
Look at my tagline below for a special message!

Yours,
Russell "Silent Thunder" Goddard, Jr.

PS - For those who are wondering why I have the handle "Silent
Thunder" between my first and last names, it's a very symbolic
handle.  The "Silent" represents the world I live in, a silent
world.  The lightning that comes after the "Thunder" is a Native
Indian symbol (I'm part Oklahoman (I think my great-grandfather
comes from that state) Cherokee) for strength.  Put it together and
you get "Strong, deaf person".

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From: Jack.O'Keeffe@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Jack O'Keeffe)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Interpreters
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:20:55 GMT
Reply-To: Jack.O'Keeffe@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/26 - SoundingBoard, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26975

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

In the 12/7/92 Philadelphia Inquirer (South Jersey edition) it was
reported that, since a hearing impaired person was expected, a sign
language interpreter had been hired for a meeting of the Gloucester
County Freeholders.  The Freeholder Director did his best to point out
the special service was being made available.

"Is there anybody out there who's deaf, who needs a signer?" he said
over the PA system.  No hands went up.  Nobody, except the Director,
expected any hands to go up.  But a lot of hands made it to people's
mouths to stifle the chuckles.

The Director sat there looking perplexed until someone at the dias
leaned over and whispered, "If they're deaf they won't hear you."
........
comment added:

A funny story, sure.  But, as it turned out the last laugh is on us.
An interpreter was requested, but nobody needing one attended the
meeting.  I'll bet it will be a cold day in Gloucester before they
again hire an interpreter for a Freeholder's meeting.

Jack O'keeffe

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