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From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Where was it?  (minor SPOILER for "Chain of Command, Pt.1")
Date: 21 Dec 1992 14:08:02 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
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  I feel certain someone's already covered this, but I don't have time to
sift through all this stuff, y'know...
  In the teaser and in the first scene in the observation lounge, where is
Admiral Nechayev's communicator pin?  She had it on when Jellico dispatched
the coded message, but it was nowhere to be found in the first part of the
show!  Where were the continuity people that week?

  Jeff

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From: SKLEPZI@SSB1.SAFF.UTAH.EDU (Steven Klepzig)
Subject: Re: ... an English-speaking Universe
Organization: University of Utah
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 18:36:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.110624.544@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>[...]
>If there is such a device [universal translator] in the combadges, it isn't 
>mentioned in the Technical Manual.  This is still OK for whenever they have
>contact with the ship because then the badge can send back and get 
>translations from the ship's computer, but what about when the ship and
>team get cut off from each other?

Don't know.  What brought this to mind was Kirk's comment in STVI (just 
after getting inside the mine) about the uinversal translator 
being confiscated.  I thought perhaps the Federation had developed something 
similar to the little device in "The Last Starfighter".  But, upon 
reflection, he must have been referring to the cute little things Kirk & 
McCoy were holding at their trial.

I would think that a small universal translator would be a high priority for 
development, given the number of races encountered around the universe.  
Either that or lots of language classes.  :-)

Steven
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From: rhudson@author.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ronald Hudson)
Subject: Riker being a Jerk...
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:33:00 GMT

The question of whether or not Jelico was a good Captain is a moot
point.  The point is Jelico WAS Captain.  Riker was way out of line
bucking up against the Captain like that.  He lost control, failed
to correctly assess the situation and responded like a child would
when he didn't get his way.  I found Riker way "out of character"
from the way he has previously behaved.

In Captain Jelico's favor, although overly direct, he DID correctly
grasp the overall picture and correctly shot down any rescue plan before
it was launched. The bottom line is there was just no point even 
considering a rescue mission given the current situation.  The other
officer's concern for their former Captain was appreciated, but their
myopic view of the problem was disheartening.

What you have to remember (and anyone who has been in the military can
vouch for this) is a commander has to competent, they do not have to
be liked.  I would much rather have a Captain who knew their job rather
than one I liked well.  If they are of good personality, so much the
better, but it isn't a requirement for the job.  

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From: ewing@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Rick Ewing)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Multiple ST Roles
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:27:44 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Vanderbilt University Academic Computing Center

In article <chil.724952222@sfu.ca>, chil@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Lim) wrote:
> 
> tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo) writes:
> 
> >	Yep..it was David Warner...I caught his name at the beginning of the
> >credits.  Gul Madrel was his character...not bad for him..first he played
> >a human, then a Klingon, now a Cardassian..what's next?  Romulan?  Ferengi? 
> 
> This role ties David Warner with Mark Lenard for number of different
> species (3) played in a ST episode or movie. (Correct me if I'm wrong here--
> I think three is the record. There have been *many* actors who have played
> *two* different species, though, among them Denise Crosby, Michelle Forbes,
> Suzie Plakson, Majel Barrett, Paul Winfield, Jerry Hardin, Mart McChesney,
> Marc Alaimo, and more.) 
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> "Kitchen utensils and vegetables! Yesssss!!" --"S.S.", on the new Purity Test

If I might be picky here, but Majel Barrett (I believe) leads in the
multiple roles categories.  She's played Nurse Chapel, Lxanana Troi, Number
One (old Captain Pike Star Trek days from the Cage & The Menagerie), and of
course, the Enterprise-D computer.  So she's played 4 roles, two species
and a non-species. (3?)  

Star Trek does seem to like to recycle people in roles.  I guess
Roddenberry liked certain people's talents and wasn't afraid to use them
again.

--Rick Ewing
  Vanderbilt University
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From: gtapolow@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Tapolow)
Subject: ERRORS FIXED == DS9 Station List == READ!!!
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To those that have tried to mail DS9 submissions and have received bounced
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universe. It is now corectly installed and tested.

Resubmissions should be made as soon as possible so I can keep everyone
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From: dunae@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Tech Manuals
Date: 28 Dec 92 12:47:30 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College


---------------------------Original-Message----------------------------

	I just got the Star Trek: The Next Generation tech manual
and was wondering.   Is they're a tech manual for the original
series, how about Deep Space Nine?   If so, do you know where?

	LIVE LONG AND PROSP
	
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From: mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN)
Subject: Re: Uniform Colors in TNG
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 05:53:54 GMT

In article <gV1FwB1w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> vincent@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Victor W. Wong) writes:
>So the new colors are:

>Maroon/Red  Command
>Blue        Biosciences
>Gold        Applied sciences/Engineering/Logistics


Well, one problem; Troi was wearing a blue uniform and psychology
is sort of an applied science.  I'd say that all blue uniforms
are associated with science (Psych, Bio, Chem, what have you).
I think but I'm not sure that the Engineering/Logistics difference
is determined by pips on the collar.

Marc
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From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 06:18:00 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

shimkevi@acs.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich) writes:

>In article <rawdon.725565542@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>>In <1hn2gbINN1he@rave.larc.nasa.gov> avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee) writes:
>>>> would be no less valid then having a Gloria Steinem or Jane Fonda or
>>>> Sigourney Weaver type (or any other more "liberal" sorts) in command.  But
>>>> I doubt that it would make any of the people who long for a female captain
>>>> very happy.

>Well, Jane Fonda will probably surrender the ship to the Romulans or the
>Cardassians :-)

But, would she do it before or after going to Romulus and calling the POWs
liars? ;-) Hmmm...Romulus Jane...or Cardassia Jane, maybe?

				James

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From: gypsy@world.std.com (Meredith Lesly)
Subject: Re: COC2-- 5 lights?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 13:20:25 GMT

In article <1hmkvpINNp7m@agate.berkeley.edu> cascio@garnet.berkeley.edu (Jamais Cascio) writes:
>SPOILERS 


>At the end of CoC2, when Picard shouts that there are only four lights,
>and then stumbles away, Gul Madred has quite an interesting smile on
>his face-- one could almost call it triumphant.  My wife concluded that
>Madred had, just before the final meeting with Picard, installed a
>fifth light.  When Picard sees what are obviously five lights, he 
>cannot accept what his eyes are telling him.
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>Madred made Picard disconnect with reality, not by having him almost
>admit to five lights, but by having him deny the fifth light!

You may be right. The shot from Picard's POV at the lights was different
at the end: I believe Gul Madred was standing up or something, obscuring
part of the wall behind him. (This is from memory: can anyone with a tape
check if my memory is functioning correctly?)

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From: "paul manson" <paul.manson@canrem.com>
Subject: lynch's spoiler review: "
Reply-To: "paul manson" <paul.manson@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 23 Dec 92 08:10:17 EST

We received your spoiler review of CoC II today.

Didn't see spoiler review COC I.

Could you please repost it?

Many thanks. LL&P.

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From: lmahoney@chemdept.chem.ncsu.edu (Louise Mahoney)
Subject: Re: COC and the Emmy's (Possible minor spoilers)
Organization: Chemistry Department, North Carolina State University
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 22:08:46 GMT

In article <alix.725263195@pv663d.vincent.iastate.edu> alix@iastate.edu (L.A. Melloy) writes:

>I thought of something after seeing COC, Part I, that after seeing Part II
>just kind of made more sense, and I wondered what everyone else thinks.

>After seeing just the trailer for Part II, I began wondering if this show was
>written to get Patrick Stewart nominated for an Emmy for best actor in a
>dramatic series or something.  I used to watch soaps, and they would do
>something similar to their strongest actors/actresses:  give them a juicy
>story line to emphasize their acting abilities around the end of the Emmy
>season (which is coincidentally, I think, the end of December ;-)  Things
>to support this theory include the fact that "Inner Light" aired this calendar
>year, too, a GREAT Picard show, and the fact that Paramount moved up the air
>date for COC (funny, it's the end of December).

>Anyone else have opinions for/against?


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I believe that CoC was moved up to allow an intro for Deep Space Nine.
Since DSN premier was scheduled for Jan 4, CoC had to be moved up.
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From: cs921018@ariel.yorku.ca (NELSON A REATEGUI)
Subject: Where was Jellico?
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:46:13 GMT

  After watching Chain Of Command, I was discussing the episode with
a friend when he posed an interesting question:
 
  Where was Jellico  during the Battle with the Borg (BoBW)??!
  Where was the Cairo???(sp?)???
 
Hmmmm...
 
Nelson.

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From: bwise@hemlock.mitre.org (Barry Wise)
Subject: Re: Poor, poor, Pitiful Riker (Lord have mercy on him!) (Spoilers??)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:12:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.183549.3260@news.csuohio.edu> cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu  
(Joe Rosenfeld) writes:
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The mistake the writers made was that the situation they created should have  
gotten Riker court martialed and 'put on the beach'. Once he protested an order  
and was overridden he should have said 'aye aye sir' and carried it out.  I'm  
sorry he turned out to be the hot shot pilot (should have been Data). Get rid  
of him instead of Picard.

--
Barry Wise
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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE NINE
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 02:30:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.194747.19017@src.dec.com> srcguard@src.dec.com (Lytton (SRC) Guard) writes:
>
>	I'm suprised no comments about it.
>	I'm very curious on what it's about.
>

OK, i'll comment...   It was GREAT!!  :-)

(no surprise there though)

I also have a bunch of new promos and other info to type up....

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From: hewett@cwis.unomaha.edu (Dallas Hewett)
Subject: shields up
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:00:14 GMT

This is something I was thinking about at lunch today, and if it was discussed
before, please forgive me.

Anyway, I was thinking back about the wrath of khan.  There was the scene when
Kirk, Spock, and the crew are up close and personal with the reliant.  Then the
reliant opens up on them.  The order is given, "Shields up" and you see a
 display with the ship and the ship begins to be outlined with little white 
dots.  Unfortunately, the shields are not raised in time, and the big E gets 
it in the keester.  Actually, I think they were targeting phasers....

Why are the shields raised sequentially around the ship?  Why can't they be
raise at the same time around the ship?  It seems that it would take less time
than the sequential method.....

Anyway, that along with other things wandered through my mind at lunch today
8-)

Dallas


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From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Where was Jellico?
Date: 30 Dec 1992 15:50:10 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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In article <1992Dec29.194613.19240@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs921018@ariel.yorku.ca (NELSON A REATEGUI) writes:
>  Where was Jellico  during the Battle with the Borg (BoBW)??!
>  Where was the Cairo???(sp?)???

The only ships that made it to the battle at Wolf 359(?) were those close
enough to get there on short notice.  Just as well, or else there wouldn't
be enough of Starfleet left to keep the Federation from falling to the
Cardassians, or the Romulans, or ...

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From: msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood)
Subject: Re: do we need rec.arts.startrek.dsn?
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 20:30:22 GMT

One last point. My misc group was (STRICTLY) for anything that
doesn't belong anywhere else. ANYTHING that has to do with any
of the other shows goes into that group, not in misc. It
wouldn't be that big (I think)...

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From: rwmech@uumeme.chi.il.us (Robert W. Mech)
Subject: Re: Data makes a great first officer for Jellico ;)
Organization: UUMEME Public Access Xenix
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 16:00:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.045903.6426@umbc3.umbc.edu> ac999239@umbc8.umbc.edu (ac999239) writes:
>I'd like to see Data as a Captain one day...Maybe the next generation of
>this generation we will see Data as a higher rank. Lord knows he'll out live
>'em all ;)
>

In fact data HAS had command of a ship, If you remember the episode in which
the Klingons were having a civil war, and the Romulans were involved.  The
second part of that episode Data was given command of a vessel in which the
first officer in fact thought that data was a bad captain.  Data however proved
to save the day as a captain.  I rather enjoyed that episode myself ;-)

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From: ez033589@chip.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: computer voice
Date: 22 Dec 92 07:10:00 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In article <1992Dec19.193931.25535@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> tcwang@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Tom C Wang) writes:
>I just saw a rerun of 1100101(I know I got them mixed up) on the 
>Fox channel in DC.  I always thought the computer voice on the Enterprise
>was female, but in this episode when the degeneration/and later regeneration
>of the magnetic containment field was anounced and when the self-destruct
>was engaged ( I guess throughout the whole episode), the computer's
>voice was male.  Does anyone have any ideas?  Just curious.
>Tom


You see, in the episode where Picard changed history so that his fiancee didn't
ditch him at the altar, she ended up working at Starfleet Command and 
so in all episodes after that, the Computer is the way she programmed it (ie
with a female voice...)

Or was that another show...? Oh boy.

JJ
From: dunae@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Data Watch
Date: 26 Dec 92 21:08:29 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In Chain of Command part II, Data was wearing a red uniform.
He was also in Riker's chair on the bridge.   How come Dr.
Crusher, Data, Geordi, or Dianna never sit in the command chair?
They're all the same rank as Riker.   And they also take orders
from him, maybe it's because of his uniform colour, or maybe
because he's Picard's right hand man?
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From: lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder)
Subject: Re: Chain of Command, Part I (comment)
Organization: DSC
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:55:09 GMT



Spoilers for CoC PT. II:







































In article <1992Dec20.044629.9170@blkbox>, egan@blkbox (Doug Egan) writes:
> 
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> 	I'll lay odds that the new captain of the Enterprise is a
>      Cortasian (sp) spy!!!

Don't lay too many, because he ISN'T!!!


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> Doug
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