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From: rollins_r@mims.enet.dec.com (My name is Rick Rollins)
Subject: Re: lets get this started
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:33:09 GMT


In article <1992Dec9.221607.11819@b8.b8.ingr.com>, nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan) writes...
>In article <Byz3L0.H8x@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> esquire@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Scott C. Kramer) writes:
>>>> In article <1992Dec4.151734.513@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> bsutesch@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu writes:
>>>>>In article <RandyL.8.723328332@MCES.MsState.Edu>, RandyL@MCES.MsState.Edu (Randy Loper) writes:
>>>>       
>>>>    stuff deleted
>>>> 
>>>>>> The bulldogs are anxiously awaiting a 
>>>>>> February meeting with the Louisiana Teams (especially LSU) in the 
>>>>>> Superdome in the Big Easy.  
>>>>>  ^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>
>>>>>Pretty cool!!  Has a baseball game ever been played in
>>>>>the Superdome?
>>>> 
>>>>  Yep, every year. This year 3 of the Louisiana teams (LSU, Tulane, USL, 
>>>> Tech,etc.) take on 3 of the Mississippi teams. Last year it was the Georgia
>>>> teams, the year before Florida. I believe it's a round-robin type tourney, 
>>>> with 3 of the best/biggest/whatever schools from each state. I think this
>>>> year is Miss. St., Ole Miss, Southern Miss. David? Any idea of the official
>>>> name for this yearly Louisiana vs. another-state tourney?
>>>> 
     In the 1988 Busch Challenge, USC, UCLA, and Cal State-Fullerton played
     against LSU, UNO, and Tulane.
From: bspencer@cs.mcgill.ca (Brian SPENCER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: All-Time Expo Team
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:41:10 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada

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Subject: Re: All-Time Expo team
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In article <1992Dec16.142934.4609@titan.ksc.nasa.gov> hongamen@titan.ksc.nasa.gov writes:
>     Here's my All-Time Expo team.  Send in your votes/opinions.
>
>     C : Gary Carter
>     1B: Al Oliver
>     2B: Dave Cash
Excellent choices.

>     2B: Dave Cash
Expos have always been weak here (notwithstading Delino, of course)
>     3B: Larry Parrish/Tim Walla
>     SS: Hubie Brooks
Good choices, also Hubie sucked defensively

>     OF: Tim Raines
>     OF: Andre Dawson
>     OF: Ellis Valentine/Rusty Staub
Good!
>     SP: Steve Rogers 
>     SP: Dennis Martinez
>     SP: Ross Grimsley
>     SP: Charlie Lea
What about Bill Lee :-)
>
>     RP: Jeff Reardon
>     RP: Mike Marshall
>
>Batting Order
>     1. Tim Raines
>     2. Andre Dawson     : When he had speed
>     3. Al Oliver
>     4. Gary Carter 
>     5. Hubie Brooks
>     6. Larry Parrish/Tim Wallach
>     7. Ellis Valentine/Rusty Staub    ; Platoon
>     8. Dave Cash
I don't think Carter should be hitting fourth. He never had a high enough
BA. I know he did for a while but I think he mostly batted fifth.
Anyway, I'm nitpicking and I'm sorry.
>
>     I may get plenty of remarks concerning the 3rd and 4th Starters, but I'd
>like to hear differing opinions.  Post your All-Time Expo team!!!!
>
Good list. I think when the new groups of young players are done with
their careers, this list will change (God, I hope so). Oh ya, Steve
Rogers is STILL not forgiven for the Rick Monday homerun.

My vote for manager is Buck.

Brian
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From: mb@cray.com (Maynard Brandt)
Subject: Re: Stupidest rule in baseball (perhaps a new one)
Organization: Cray Research Inc
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:44:55 CST

In article <1992Dec14.150204.29199@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker) writes:
>In article <1992Dec13.092848.370@walter.cray.com> mb@cray.com (Maynard Brandt) writes:
>>
>>I remember someone commenting on a TV broadcast that at one time foul
>>balls weren't included in the ball-strike count.  Does anyone on the
>>net know if this is true or false and, if it is true, when the rule
>>changed?
>>
>
>The foul-strike rule was adopted by the National League in 1901 and by
>the American League in 1903. It was the primary reason why strikeouts
>jumped by 55% in the AL from 1902 to 1903, and by 58% in the NL
>between 1900 and 1901. The only well-known 20th century stat that has
>to be qualified is Lajoie's BA in 1901.
>
>It was adopted because a few players (John McGraw and Roy Thomas among
>them) had gotten extremely proficient and deliberately fouling pitches
>off, and working a pitcher for a walk. In 1899, McGraw drew 124 walks
>with only 399 atbats (batting .391: a .547 OBA, second best in
>history.)
>
>The idea was to speed up the game; with all the walks, games were
>supposedly taking too long. (Sound familiar?) They amended the rule
>later so that deliberately hitting a foul was considered a strike,
>even if you already had two. Didn't stop Thomas from drawing 100+
>walks for the next five years.
>
Cudos for the informative response.

I can't recall ever hearing of someone being called out for deliberately
hitting a 2 strike pitch foul, although it has no doubt happened quite
often.  Is that still the rule?  Anyone know of it ever being enforced
in recent (post 1960) history?

Thank you.
-- 
Regards,

Maynard Brandt
Cray Research, Inc.
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From: hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks)
Subject: Re: Blue Jays-Gillick
Organization: NSSL
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:46:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.024640.21506@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:
>In <20335@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez027993@dale.ucdavis.edu (Gary Throwing Hard Huckabay) writes:
>
>>(Roger "Don't like my posting?  Call 1-800-TEQUILA!" Maynard) writes:
>
>>>Right on Pat!  Let's rebuild!  And when the jays go down the toilet this
>>>year all the stathead dorks in this group will be calling for Cito's head.
>
>>Nothing quite like a deftly-inserted ad hominem.  Of course, you'll probably
>>back away from it now...  How about NAMING some names?  Who do you want
>>to call a dork?
>
>I guess we will just have to wait for Valentine (or any of the other "prominent"
>posters to this group) to start blaming Cito for the Jay collapse.  And when he 
>does, I will call him a dork.  
>

But, Roger, since you're the one who thinks that the only thing that matters 
is what has just happened, if the Jays collapse, you'll be the one blaming
Cito.  By your definition, if the Jays don't do well, he'll no longer be a
good manager.  The people who have been saying they don't think Cito does 
a good job will just be saying the same things they've been saying all 
along.  Why criticize someone for saying the same things about a manager
when he has a bad team that they said when he had a good team?

Harold
-- 
Harold Brooks                    hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu
National Severe Storms Laboratory (Norman, OK)
"Better to trade a player a year too early than a year too late."
--Branch Rickey
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From: hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks)
Subject: Re: Brave staff greatest in recent history?
Organization: NSSL
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:50:39 GMT

In article <1g7l1dINN9b1@transfer.stratus.com> gene@bogus.sw.stratus.com (Eugene Loparco) writes:
>In article <cubsfan.723966608@camelot> cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman) writes:
>>Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Avery 20 wins apiece
>>Pete Smith 15 or so...plus the usual scattering of middle
>>reliever wins.
>
>I'd rather have Gooden, Viola, Cone, Fernandez, Darling from a few years
>back...

In neither of the two years they were together were they even the best 
staff in the National League.  In '90, they made 147 starts with an ERA of
3.43.  Montreal's 6 starters (Boyd, Martinez, Smith, Gardner, Gross, and 
Nabholz) made 147 with an ERA of 3.33.  IN '91, the Mets' 5 made 121
starts (only Viola and Cone pitched complete seasons) with an ERA of 3.61.
The Braves' top 4 (Glavine, Avery, Leibrandt, and Smoltz) made 141 starts
at 3.29.  The Gooden/Viola/Cone/Fernandez/Darling combination may have
been better if you look at each pitcher's best season(s), but they didn't
come close to them when they were together with the Mets.  Ignoring 
Fernandez's '91 (only 8 starts and 44 IP), Cone was the only one of the
5 to post an ERA below 3.8 each year.

Harold
-- 
Harold Brooks                    hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu
National Severe Storms Laboratory (Norman, OK)
"I used to work for a brewery, too, but I didn't drink on the job."
-P. Bavasi on Dal Maxvill's view that Florida can win the NL East in '93
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From: doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason Abner Miller)
Subject: Re: Wearing Out Pitchers
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:13:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.223419.4021@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes...
>In article <17DEC199216243986@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason Abner Miller) writes:

>>have 2 good seasons?  Not one of the guys above had a substantially
>>long career past 1983; they all faded away through injuries, and didn't
>>Norris have some kind of drug problem?
> 
>It depends on whether you think they would have been good pitchers at
>all.  If it's the case that Martin takes nobodies who burn brightly for
>two seasons and then sputter out, then it might be "worth it."
> 
>If, on the other hand, Martin takes prospects who could have pitched
>ten years at above average levels to burn them out at somewhat better
>than above average for two years, then it's not "worth it."

	Case in point:  Mike Morgan
	Here was this brilliant young prospect, fresh out of high
school, and into the Oakland A's organization.  In 1979, with the A's
languishing (before Martin took over, I believe), the A's rushed him,
and he went 0-3 with some ugly line numbers.  He started just about
regularly in 1980, went 2-10 with even worse numbers, and was considered
washed up.  He bounced around, from New York to Toronto to Seattle to
Baltimore, never putting up good seasons.  A pitcher with great potential,
arm seemingly wasted by early misuse.
	It took him until 1989 to become even a moderately successful
pitcher, and once he really hit his stride, he's now quite excellent.
Now, what kind of career would he have had, had he not been rushed?

>-- 
>ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
>standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
>the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637

							Jason Miller
							"some doctor guy"
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From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: NUMBER 24
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 13:54:05 GMT

In <09DEC92.17226311.0079@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CCDB@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CCDB) writes:

Lucky you don't get emotional over these things.  I'd hate to see that.

>    Giants unretire Willie Mays number 24, this ranks up there
>with The New York Yankees unretiring Babe's  or Dimagio's numbers.
>There is no way anyone who ever saw Willie play can speak of
>Barry Bonds in the same breath, either in ability Home Runs, Base
>stealing, speed and fielding. Class was left out because Bonds has

I disagree.  If you look at the last three years, where Bonds has been
the best player in the league and probably the majors overall, he is
definitely comparable to Mays.  In fact, did Mays ever have a year like 
Bonds '92?  I'm going to have to look that up when I get back to my room.
Mays was able to keep up his performance for a long time, probably
longer than Bonds will be able to.  But Bonds is certainly quite
comparable now.

>none and Mays, Banks, Clemente and Dimagio, these were men of
>outstanding ablility, excitement and class. These men were baseball!

Right.  Like these people had class.  Dimaggio held out several times,
wanting *Lou Gehrig* money, despite being a young "unproven" player. 
(Not a flame of Joe D; he deserved the money.)

>Barry Bonds whining and complaining, show off home run watch a poor
>comparison. Bonds is a very good player but nowhere near matches Mays
>for excitement, its a sad day for Giant Fans for baseball everywhere
>when someone can ask to use Willie mays number just shows that the
>one thing Barry Bonds lacks is CLASS not CRASS.

>   BOBBY YOUR A JERK JUST TO ASK  !!!

He *is* his godfather, you know.  Your [sic] a jerk to attack someone
without knowing the facts.
-- 
David M. Nieporent   | Is it too early to start making predictions for 1993?
niepornt@phoenix.    | Probably, but that never stopped me before.
   princeton.edu     | ALE: Baltimore ALW: Chicago NLE: Montreal NLW: Atlanta
Baltimore Orioles 93 | AL MVP: Cal Ripken  AL Cy Young: Mike Mussina
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From: s_bean@oz.plymouth.edu (Shaun P. Bean)
Subject: Re: Trivia Question
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, NH.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 04:15:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.202049.25693@math.toronto.edu> joel@math.toronto.edu (Joel Chan) writes:
>
>1. Hit
>2. Walk
>3. HBP
>4. Balk

Batters don't move on a Balk, runners do.
From: doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason Abner Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Brian Dorsett
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:05:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec17.214529.2185@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes...
>In article <1992Dec17.204828.19676@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> akamholz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Andrew E Kamholz) writes:
>>Well, I suppose you are right. If he has the talent and the health, there's
>>no reason, though, that he couldn't still be considered a prospect.
> 
>Sure there is.  A prospect is someone who is potentially successful.
>In baseball, 32-year-olds aren't "might become"s, they're "used to be"s.
>Dorsett isn't going to become a better player.  He's a poor fielder,
>and not such a great hitter.

	Dorsett probably sucks.
	But, 2 years ago, what did all you guys say about that 33 year-old
castoff, retread, and nobody, Skeeter Barnes?

>-- 
>ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
>standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
>the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637

							Jason Miller
							"some doctor guy"
Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 1992 18:54:21 EST
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Stupidest rule in baseball (perhaps a new one)
 <1992Dec13.092848.370@walter.cray.com> <1992Dec15.214843.26303@holos0.uucp>
 <1992Dec16.164753.16848@walter.cray.com>

somebody's saying that making fouls strikes, except on strike two,
doesn't change the thing it was meant to change: batters fouling pitches
off until he gets a walk.

no, but it certainly makes it more difficult.

let's say i foul off two pitches.  under the old rules, i now have three
chances to mess up, and miss a pitch i'm trying to foul off.  under the
new rules, i have but one chance to mess up.

bob vesterman.
From: psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Brian Dorsett (was Re: Who are these new Pirates ?)
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:28:27 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Dec16.171125.16176@leland.Stanford.EDU> myles@leland.Stanford.EDU (Myles Sussman) writes:
>   According to the San Jose Mercury News, he signed with the
>Cincinnati Reds.  

Yeah right, Reds.  That's what I said!

>Why is everyone so excited about him?  My Baseball
>America says he'll be 31 next year.  I doubt that his minor league
>performance will translate to the majors.

31?  That can't be right, can it?  I have no reference to say otherwise
but the guy I saw last spring training was no way near 31.  

PSG






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From: jhopkins@cbacc.cba.uga.edu (John Hopkins)
Subject: Re: Projected Lineups -- Braves
Organization: Terry College of Business, University of Georgia
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:51:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.041051.23649@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

>NATIONAL LEAGUE WEST
>
>ATLANTA BRAVES
>
>1B	Ryan Klesko

I don't think so.  Look for the Bream/Hunter platoon to last one more year.

>2B	Mark Lemke
>SS	Jeff Blauser

And Raphael Belliard in a platoon.

>3B	Terry Pendleton
>LF	Ron Gant
>CF	Deion Sanders/Otis Nixon
>RF	David Justice
>C	Javier Lopez

Maybe.  Depends on whether Olson comes back.

>SP	Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, Steve Avery, John Smoltz, Pete Smith

Wow.

>RP	Mark Wohlers

And Mike Stanton.
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: jays rotation - improvement in the second half of '92?
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:20:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.235620.1529@athena.mit.edu> cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
>
>PITCHER            W  L  ERA    INN    H   ER   HR   BB   SO
>morris            21  6 4.04  240.2  222  108   18   80  132
>stott             12 11 4.50  174.0  175   87   20   63   98
>stewart           12 10 3.66  199.1  175   81   25   79  130
>
>key               13 13 3.53  216.2  205   85   24   59  117
>
>
>even if you look at the overall numbers, key and stewart are pretty
>similar.

If I were Key, I would resent this comparison.  Key didn't have a
super-friendly home park like Stewart did.  I expect the park
difference to add about half a run to Stewart's ERA.  How good does he
look then?

>this may not mean anything, but i found it quite interesting.
>if morris, stott and stewart can put up these numbers over a whole
>season, the jays may not be in such bad shape after all, esp.
>considering their offense is without peer in the AL east.

This is true.  They *did* have much better second halves.  But is
there any reason to believe that they *can* produce like that for a
full season?  Stottlemyre might.  He's too flaky for me to bother
trying to predict any more.  But Morris and Stewart have had long,
steady careers.  How much weight should be placed on the last few
onths?

-Valentine
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From: cmeyer@warp.Stanford.EDU (Craig Meyer)
Subject: Burks let go
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 21:01:50 GMT

Boston has decided not to offer Ellis Burks a contract for next year.
They originally offered him a one-year contract with incentives, but 
his agent turned it down.  They felt that a multi-year contract was too
risky, considering his back problems.  They then withdrew the one-year offer.
Can another club sign him without giving up a draft pick?

A couple of years ago he was one of the most valuable players in the game.
He is 28.  People in professional sports often come back successfully
from back injuries.  Is he still a good risk?  His range factor was low this
year.  Is that (1) a result of the injury, (2) due to a small sample size,
(3) due to a home park effect, or (4) because he can't play center anymore?

If he can still play center field, if he doesn't cost a draft pick, and
if he might be healthy enough to play regularly, I think KC should sign
him.  His bat is still above average for a center-fielder.  Are you listening,
Herk?  

Actually, I would also be happy to see Koslofski given a chance in center.  It
probably won't happen, though.  Has anyone else noticed that Brian McRae's
trouble with the bat started when his dad was hired?  Is that just because
the sample size prior to that was so small?  May, 1991 was probably
his best month in the majors.

--Craig




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From: akamholz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Andrew E Kamholz)
Subject: Re: Statheads and park effects
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 03:47:02 GMT

Perhaps Boggs just doesn't hit well of the road- like on road trips.
(Maybe he is too busy with other pursuits!) So maybe settling in Yankee
Stadium, he will hit like he is home. Let's all remember that it's not
necessarily the park- it could be the state of mind.

-AEK
 
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From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Subject: Re: 1992 Mets
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:28:19 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Boo!  

In <18DEC199212244189@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason Abner Miller) writes:

>	Torborg treated Pecota's arrival as the second coming of the Savior,
>and actually fooled people, for a time, into thinking that he could
>be a starter.  Once spring training rolled around, Torborg got fed up,
>and brought in that perennial all-star Junior Noboa to back up the
>utility man.

I didn't particularly think much of Torborg before he came to the Mets -
when a guy can work for George Steinbrenner for 10 years as a coach etc.
without being fired, I think that he already has 2 strikes against him -
but I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until he pulled
the Pecota nonesense.  Anybody who could seriously entertain the
possibility of Bill Pecota as an everyday third baseman should not be
managing a team.  Though, admittedly, that's not quite as bad as letting
Gary Templeton be a platoon first baseman (See Harrelson, Bud).

Greg
From: paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Question for Giants Fans
Keywords: Except for Dusty Baker!
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:41:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvaac.1992Dec18.214154.8220
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

In article <1grrqkINNsk9@agate.berkeley.edu>, srubio@garnet.berkeley.edu (Steven Rubio) writes:
|> I am a Giants fan of some 35 years.  The first words I taught my
|> now-teenaged children to speak were "Dodgers Suck."

The first thing my kids learned to spell was J-I-N-T-S

|> But, with the
|> exception of Steve Garvey, who woulda STILL sucked even if he became a
|> Giant,
 
You got that one right. To quote Don Sutton after a clubhouse fight, "What
do you expect from a man with plastic hair"

|> Dodger fans SHOULD be asking themselves how
|> come their "team" is saddled with such a useless incompetent like Lasorda

I think what we need here is a review of the meaning of incompetent. Since
Lasorda took office at the end of '76:

Division titles: '77 '78 '81 '83 '85 '88
Pennants:        '77 '78 '81 '88
World Champs:    '81 '88

In that same time period, the Midgets under Rigney, Altobelli, Bristol,
Robinson, Ozark, Davenport, and Craig have:

Division titles: '87 '89
Pennants:        '89
World Champs:    NOT!

--->Paul, "actually, I don't like Lasorda all that much"

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From: akamholz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Andrew E Kamholz)
Subject: Phillies- Larry Andersen
Organization: Johns Hopkins University - Homewood Academic Computing
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:37:51 GMT

Phillies signed the aforementioned pitcher to a minor-league contract and
invited him to spring training.

Ha ha.



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From: akamholz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Andrew E Kamholz)
Subject: Jenkins 
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:30:58 GMT

I assume that we all heard about Fergeson Jenkins' tragedy? When he was
inducted into the Hall of Fame last year, his wife dies three days later
due to complications from a car accident. Yesterday, his girlfriend killed
herself and his three year old daughter by carbon monoxide poisoning.

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