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From: n7835109@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Laura M Crook)
Subject: Re: Cats need New Home
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:41:38 GMT


Well, I tend to agree with everyone who's been posting so far -- on both
sides of the issue.  I certainly sympathize with David.  David's Dilemma
is a tough one.

Myself, I would reconsider or at least postpone the wedding.  On the other
hand, a broken heart is a broken heart, and it sounds like he's doomed to
one either way, either from the loss of the fiance or from the loss of the
beloved cats.  I hope he finds a loving home for them.

David, if you're out there, I'd like to let you know that I have a
girlfriend who once upon a time got married to a man who despised cats.  He
wasn't allergic, he just didn't like their "lack of tidiness."  She had two
wonderful cats that she loved very much, and she gave them to her parents
and can visit them.  I thought she was crazy to give them up for an
intolerant man, but she loved him, and she married him and it is important
to note *their marriage seems to be working out just fine* and the cats are
doing very well with her parents.  So it may work out all right for you ...

Good luck.
-- 

Written by n7835109 ... but you can call me Laura
Internet: n7835109@Henson.cc.wwu.edu
"True happiness can only be found in the wanton indulgence of animals"
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Help with new kitty needed...
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:53:39 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1jvt36INN50t@shelley.u.washington.edu>, olsenc@stein2.u.washington.edu (Clint Olsen) writes:
> Anyway, I brought my cat home in one of those carrier things on
> Saturday around 2:00pm, and she's been freaked ever since.  I am
> aware that cats are really pissy during a relocation, but it's been
> well over 24 hours and she's refused to eat anything since she's
> been here.  We are worried that she's so stressed out that she doesn't
> feel like eating.
> 
> 1)  Is this kind of behavior to be expected?  I'm worried that it will
>     avoid all personal contact and hide every day.
> 
> 2)  Is there anything I can do to ease the cat into it's new home (and
>     ease the strain on me)?

If Pat is still around, you might want to "borrow" something the
rest of the litter has slept with, and make your new kitty a nest box
with the old bedding.  It will smell like home.  You also want to 
give the kitty some of your dirty clothes, so she'll get used to 
your smell.

Other than that, ignore her. Put out food and water and a litter box
near her hiding spot, and don't otherwise acknowledge her existence.
You may be able to speed the process up by taking a nap in the same
room with her (preferably on the floor), or reading, or any other
quiet occupation that suits you.  But when she comes out to 
investigate, pretend you don't see her.  Let _her_ decide you're
OK before you make grand overtures of friendship.

I usually figure 3-4 days for a new cat to get acquainted unless the
cat has been thoroughly socialized ahead of time.

Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: mary@zmax.com (Mary Papp)
Subject: Re: Things my strange cat likes to eat!
Organization: Z/Max Computer Solutions, Inc.
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 15:49:27 GMT


>>My cat also likes to lick the flour out of the jar when I am baking.
>
>Sachia likes to lick my hands right after I've rubbed
>hand lotion all over them.

If I put hand lotion on my hands Slash bites them.  I put some face cream on my
face and he tries to make a meal out of it.  My parents have a cat who loves to
lick and nibble on your hands after you wash them with liquid soap esp. Ivory.


Mary and Slash



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From: al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Strange wanted posting
Date: 24 Jan 93 05:42:38 GMT
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.

I saw this yesterday in misc.wanted newsgroup.  It's either a very
bad joke...or something worse.

______________________________________________________

Article 29407 of misc.wanted:
Newsgroups: misc.wanted
From: t7@elan.rowan.edu (TEMP_7)
Subject: wanted kittens for scientific experiments
Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:12:57 GMT

any size, any color, just as long as their kittens.

______________________________________________________

I kind of hope from the lack of name, and the temporary login that this
is a bad joke.  

-- 
Alan L. Peterman                                 (503)-684-1984 hm & work
                       al@qiclab.scn.rain.com
It's odd how as I get older, the days are longer, but the years are shorter!
From: ac999257@umbc.edu (ac999257)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Cats need New Home
Date: 27 Jan 1993 17:54:07 -0500
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc8.umbc.edu
Keywords: adoption allergy help

In article <1993Jan27.194559.17176@hubcap.clemson.edu> kudra@hubcap.clemson.edu (sallie j kudra) writes:
>
>I've had just about enough of this.  Sure everyone thinks that David's fiance
>is a witch, but THAT IS NOT THE POINT.  The point is David is trying to find
   ...

>one who could give foster care or a permanent home?  Do you truly think this is
>an easy decision for David?  When my mother died, I had to go live with my 
>father who hated cats.  I had to give up not only my cat but my dog as well.
>Would your advice have been "Get a new father"?  
>
>Offer him some real help or just leave it alone!
>
>Sallie, owned and operated by Arielle, Melanie and Cali
>
>PS  If I have missed anyone offering constructive advice (I don't get to read
>    this list as often as I would like) I apologize to you.  Anyone else can
>    flame the h*ll out of me if it will get you off David's back!

Sallie, you haven't missed any constructive advice, everyone has just
been flaming the fiance. You're right, it's not helping David. His
situation is tough, and since we haven't witnessed the actions of his
fiance or heard every word of their discussions, it's difficult
for cat-loving people to think objectively given what he wrote.

I had a friend at work who had to find a new home for her cat when
she got engaged to a man allergic to cats. She thought she had found
a home, but only two weeks before the wedding, that fell through.
Not a nice time to tell her to dump her fiance for the cat! She 
asked hundreds of people at work and put up signs all over the building
and luckily found a home. David has to follow his heart, and not
the advice of a bunch of cat-loving zealots. I, personally, would
think twice about marrying someone who I myself think is a bitch,
but David is the only person who really knows how David feels.
So to David -- advertise in papers, go to local businesses that have
bulletin boards for their employees and put up signs, put up signs
at grocery stores, etc. If you hunt long enough, you'll find someone
who may be able to help you. I'm sorry I don't live near you, or
I could give you better advice.

Mary
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: darmstro@acs.ucalgary.ca (Debby Armstrong)
Subject: Re: Cats and TV
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 15:12:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

(Graham Linn) writes:
>Well if I think that this thread is about Cat TV watching, I will put in my
>$.02 worth.  THe reasons that I have heard, in a perception class here at UCSB
>was that cats can see the scanning bar on TV's because they scan so slowly.

I don't know if I buy that Graham.  My cat Max loves to watch TV
but ONLY when it's a nature show (the type of animal doesn't
matter).  He'll sit and watch until the whole show is over.  He
doesn't seem to care if the sound is on or off either, if there's
an animal on TV, he'll watch.  My other cat Buster couldn't care
less for TV (he just likes to meow at his reflection in a
mirror).
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: LymeNet subscriptions
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:03:31 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: jeffp@.wsu.edu.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke)
Subject: Re: Raccoons & pets :-(
Organization: Washington State University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 00:59:25 GMT

Sigrid Olson (so17+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
> Human Rabies vaccinations are not widely advised for people not exposed
> to rabies because they only good for about a year and they don't provide
> 100% protection.  What they do is allow you more time between exposure
> and treatment.  I had rabies vaccinations as a Peace Corps Volunteer,
> and we were told to high tail it to the capital if we were bit by a
> suspicious animal, however the vaccine provided the leeway required in
> countries with volunteers in the boondocks and third world
> transportation systems.

Actually, the vaccine reduces the risk of post exposure treatment failure,
as well as reducing the number of shots required in the post exposure
treatment.  I would still hightail it to the nearest medical facility if
bitten by a suspect.

Another aspect of bites by rabid animals worth considering is that
distance from the brain is a factor.  A bite in the toe will take more
time to kill a person than one in the face, especially if that bite is
significant and close to a cranial nerve.  We saw a very sad photo of a
young Thai boy bitten badly in the head by a rabid dog in our virology
class.  Apparently the child had virtually a zero chance of survival, even
with the immediate treatment that was instituted.

--
Jeff Parke <jeffp@vcs10.vetmed.wsu.edu>
also:   jeffp@WSUVM1.bitnet    AOL: JeffParke
Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine class of 1994
Pullman, WA  99164-7012
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: amd@space.mit.edu (Ann M. Davis)
Subject: Cat name FAQ???
Reply-To: amd@space.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Center for Space Research
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:41:05 GMT


One of the recurring threads seems to be cat names.  Is there a 
list of cat names somewhere?  I know I could have used the help when
I was trying to name my kitten.

Unfortunately I don't have the resources to maintain a list, but
it might be a useful thing to have around.

	Ann
--

Ann M. Davis
amd@space.mit.edu			 "Choose your battles wisely"
MIT Center for Space Research		
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: rkn3u@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Keith Norwood)
Subject: Re: DECLAWING?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:30:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.173352.18245@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov> julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.162334.29258@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rkn3u@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Keith Norwood) writes:
>>In article <CURT.93Jan21153335@vtucs.cc.vt.edu> curt@vtucs.cc.vt.edu (Curt Tilmes) writes:
>>>Did you (or anyone else) think the documentary was just a *little* bit
>>>anti-American?  They used emotionally charged language throughout the
>>>show.  It seemed more of a comparison of british vs. american views
>>>abouts cats than a documentary about cats.
>>>
>>>They seemed to focus on all the problems caused when the 'cruel'
>>>americans kept their cats 'captive' all day, without talking much
>>>about any of the positive aspects of an indoor cat.
>>
>>What exactly are the positive aspects of the indoor cat?
>
>Where I live cats are at very high risk of (1) getting run
>over by cars or (2) getting eaten by coyotes.  An added 
>minus (or plus depending on how you look at it) is the 
>possibility of getting half-bobcat kittens.

So you're saying that the positive aspect of indoor cat life is the 
avoidance of cars and other hazards.  I didn't see the documentary in 
question but don't the same hazards exist in Britain?  Why the different
views?  Maybe, someone who saw the program could comment.

Also, does anyone know the percentages of strictly indoor vs. indoor/outdoor
cats in the US.


Keith
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
Subject: Re: ATTIC DANGERS
Reply-To: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:00:03 GMT

Our cats don't have access to our attic (we have to bring a 
ladder to get into it), but we do have a storage room outside.
Our cats love to run in there whenever we open the door and we
usually chase them out. However, one night when we got home we
didn't see one of them. Now where we live is very rural and the
two go in and out of their cat door at will. Besides, Jess, the
one who was missing is a huntress extraordinaire. So, we thought
nothing of it since my husband had seen her earlier in the 
afternoon. The next morning, though, we still hadn't seen her, so
my husband went downstairs (We live on a river bank, so house is
up on poles), calling her. Well, she answered and she was really
ready to get out of the storage room! There was no poison down
there and it wasn't very cold that night, so she was fine--just
hungry. She had apparently followed my husband in there the day
before. I just hope this taught her a lesson, but who knows.

Kay Jones



Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas)
Subject: Re: choose him or your cats??????
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:43:11 GMT

In article <1k6ume$d5q@agate.berkeley.edu> spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes:
>> I'm new to this group, so I don't know if this is a Never-
>> ending Topic, but I'd like to take issue with the dog-people/
>> cat-people dichotomy.  In my experience it's rare to begin
>> with and people with such strong species-preferences are 
>> usually narrowminded and intolerant.
>
>I agree.  I am not narrowminded or intolerant, and therefore
>despite my preference for cats I also like dogs.  Up to
>a point.  I don't like stupid, neurotic dogs that bark
>nonstop.  I also don't like snivelling little rug-rats.
>And I despise spindly, overbred show-dogs as well as the types
>that breed them.
>
>But give me a good dog, a real dog, and I like it just
>fine.  See?  I'm not intolerant.

Well, I'm a confirmed animal-person of any sort, except,
<sigh>, dogs.  I just don't like them.  Too smelly and 
slobbery.  (Please, I'm not flaming anyone for liking dogs,
this is just my opinion.  And I am not mean or cruel to dogs.
I just don't want one.  I won't flame you so please don't
flame me.)  I like everything else, cats, fish, horses, iguanas, 
snakes, millipedes, tarantulas,....


Of course, I did recently see (and get to hold and generally
drool all over) a skiperkee dog.  Wonderful thing.  Cat-sized, 
no smell, and many cat behaviors.  I had to keep looking at her,
while she was curled up on my lap, to convince myself she wasn't 
a cat :)  (She was as dumb as a doorknob, but hey, I've had 
dumb cats too)

Julie
DISCLAIMER:  All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: getting new kittens
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:11:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA


  Our beloved Spooker (all black Persian with golden eyes) died
  last fall after 15 years of devoted friendship.    We are now
  ready to think about some new kittens.

  We would like to get 2 kittens so they will grow up together
  and be friends.  My wife and I have a hectic schedule that
  often involves late hours so even though Spooker did well
  in this situation we thought two kitties might keep each
  other company.  

  A key goal for us is maximizing the odds of getting the 
  personality traits we want:  affection, docility, ease-of-
  handling (this is especially important if we get longhairs
  who need frequent grooming) and good health.

  We've done extensive reading and our books seem very consistent
  in ascribing personality traits to different breeds, and
  very consistent in what those traits are.   From this we
  think that shorthaired (lower maintainance) breeds that
  might be good would be Exotic Shorthairs or Scottish Folds.
  Persians might be a good long-haired breed, or maybe Hima-
  layan.

  [ Before someone says "I've got an American Shorthair who's as
    loving as an angel" I must say I'm *well aware* that breed
    personality traits are statistical generalizations and that
    any *individual* cat may not be true to breed personality.
    I just want to put the odds as much in my favor as possible ]

  Another advantage, for us, of getting a "bred" cat is that
  we can meet the breeder (and make sure conditions are good)
  meet the queen, and start getting the kittens used to handling
  at a very young age (~ 2 weeks is recommended as a good 
  time to start handling them regularly.

  Some questions -- 

  A Scottish Fold isn't bread to another Scottish Fold; it's
  bred with either a British Shorthair or an American Short-
  hair.  But all our books ascribe different personalities 
  to those two breeds.  If I prefer the British Shorthair
  personality, should I make sure any Fold I get is bred
  from that stock, or doesn't it matter?    

  Also, Himmies are Persians with Siamese coloring (this is
  not to be confused with Balinese!)  Do they have any Siamese
  personality traits? 

  Any other advice or comments would be appreciated.

  
---peter


   



  
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: rkn3u@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Keith Norwood)
Subject: Re: DECLAWING?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:23:34 GMT

In article <CURT.93Jan21153335@vtucs.cc.vt.edu> curt@vtucs.cc.vt.edu (Curt Tilmes) writes:
>Did you (or anyone else) think the documentary was just a *little* bit
>anti-American?  They used emotionally charged language throughout the
>show.  It seemed more of a comparison of british vs. american views
>abouts cats than a documentary about cats.
>
>They seemed to focus on all the problems caused when the 'cruel'
>americans kept their cats 'captive' all day, without talking much
>about any of the positive aspects of an indoor cat.

What exactly are the positive aspects of the indoor cat?


Keith
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Subject: Re: Help me find a kitty.
Reply-To: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 19:25:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.025945.8955@pony.Ingres.COM> jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:
>Karen Sugalski writes:
>> Cats do respond to negative reinforcement.  Physical punishment
>> may make them afraid, but the same goes for almost any animal
>
>As has been noted numerous times in the literature, it's not that
>aversive methods don't work -- they do -- it's just that other methods
>work better.  

About the hissing method that everyone has been advocating: do you hiss
through your teeth like a long-drawn-out "sssss", or in the back of your
throat like the cats themselves do? I have tried both ways on my cats,
and they just look at me like I'm weird :-). So I figure I must be doing
it wrong somehow.

Any advice on hissing technique?
-- 
Ruth Milner                          NRAO/VLA                  Socorro NM
Computing Division Head      rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu (Vicki Holzhauer)
Subject: Re: cats and olives
Organization: Atmospheric Technology Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:54:20 GMT

In article <9301211902.AA06554@rwasic27.aud.alcatel.com> alclark@rwasic27.aud.alcatel.com ( Amy L Clark) writes:
>My mother has a friend that wanted me to ask ya'll about a
>quirk that his cats have.  It seems that when he gives any
>of them (he owns about 8 cats) olives (green or black) the
>cats go crazy as if they had just inhaled catnip.

My uncle's late cat, Fruitcake, was also an olive addict.  They
allowed him to have an olive at Thanksgiving and one at Christmas, as
a special treat.  He got too wild and crazy for them to give him
olives on a regular basis.  Wonder what there is in olives that has
this effect on some cats?  I've tried them on other cats, with no
results.


--
Vicki Holzhauer, National Center for Atmospheric Research
Boulder, Colorado / / / /  vicki@ncar.ucar.edu
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Help me find a kitty.
Date: 23 Jan 93 02:14:03 GMT
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

Ruth Milner
> do you hiss through your teeth like a long-drawn-out "sssss",
> or in the back of your throat like the cats themselves do?

As f sound, FFFFFFFFF.

-- Jon
--
Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats