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From: thumper@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Not me)
Subject: RE: How about some talk about hot drummers
Followup-To: How about some talk about Hot drummers 
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:34:21 GMT


	Kenny Aarnoff is the man.  You'd never know it from his work on
Mellencamp's albums, but he is a monster!  I am a big Niel Peart and Carl
Palmer fan, and I feel that Kenny is definitely on par with Peart.  I saw
him giva a drum clinic in Indy a few years ago, and not only is he a wicked 
player, but he is a very friendly, intelligent, and good-nautered guy.  He 
gave us an in-depth description of how he came up with the drum solo-ette in 
the middle of 'Jack and Dianne,' and it was really interesting.  If you ever
get a chance to see this man in a clinic, DO NOT miss him.
From: br640@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jason A. Best)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: a new band...
Date: 13 Dec 1992 04:26:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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A few friends of mine and I are thinking of starting a heavy metal/hard rock
band...I don't really know much about drums, etc....I need opinions on how
or what type of drums (low cost) would be right...
PLEASE respond via e-mail
thanks!
-Jason Best
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From: ljnelson@unix.amherst.edu (LAiRD j. NeLSoN)
Subject: Re: Sonor Prices?
Organization: Amherst College
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:36:32 GMT

U. N. derGrad (u509274@csi.uottawa.Ca) wrote:

> Come on, people, come out of the closet!  Let us know what your piece-of-sh*t
> kit is!!!

*cough* *cough* *hack* *sears* *cough* *cough*

LAiRD

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From: gtas1@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Terrance Stedman)
Subject: Re: Sonor Prices?
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:57:27 GMT

In article <Bz81Kw.C89@unix.amherst.edu> ljnelson@unix.amherst.edu (LAiRD j. NeLSoN) writes:
>U. N. derGrad (u509274@csi.uottawa.Ca) wrote:
>
>> Come on, people, come out of the closet!  Let us know what your piece-of-sh*t
>> kit is!!!
>
	I know someone with a Maxwin set and Zanki cymbals.  Now there is 
a piece of sh*t to behold.  I'll make no mention here of the Camber cymbals
I still have mixed in with my Zildjians :)  Also, I've got a CB700 5 piece
kit that has held up for over 8 or 9 years now.  Sounds decent too.
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From: fakohari@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Faraz A. Kohari)
Subject: Beginner.
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 16:24:59 EST

I am a Computer Science Major at Syracuse University. For a long time now, I have been wanting to learn basic drumming, but somehow have not got around to
doing it. 

I have finally decided that this is as good a time as any, so I am posting to
this newsgroup asking for suggestions on how I should go about it. Please, any
advice is welcome. 

The information that I am looking for is the type of drums that I should buy 
(or should I buy just practice pads now, since I live on campus housing and the noise might be unacceptable to others- is there any way around this -) should I get an instructor or should I try to enroll at the university? And what kind of time frame and money is involved in getting the basics. Also, though I am not 
sure that I want to know, is it too late to take up drumming (you know, the 
***you should start at an early age*** stuff).

You can either post your response on the group or directly to me. My e-mail
address is fakohari@rodan.acs.syr.edu.

Faraz.
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From: gbrown@granite.ma30.bull.com (Gary L. Brown)
Subject: Price of Electronic Drums
Organization: Bull HN Informations Systems Inc.
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:04:17 GMT

 have ben using a standard set uf drum.  Zildjan cybals and remo roto-toms.
I want to look into a set of electronic drums.  I want some good size pads
which are pressure sensative .  I have a mixer and amp with speakers.  What
are some things I should look for, brand names, prices.  Should I buy New? Used?
and if used what are some good prices.  What should I use for the brains.
Please Help?
:w

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From: msjle@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Joi L. Ellis)
Subject: Re: Difference between various pad controllers for MIDI?
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:13:14 GMT

smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead) writes:

>performance can be managed by only clicking to the next song. There are 64
>patches. (I don't know *why* they didn't just go 00-99 instead.)

Because it's a computer inside, and computers deal in powers of two.
The next highest power is 128, and 3 digits complicates things... (IE
one more led display and the circuitry for it, more space on the front
panel, more memory to hold the next 64 entries, etc etc.)

>Muff
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From: ljnelson@unix.amherst.edu (LAiRD j. NeLSoN)
Subject: Re: Hot Drummers!
Organization: the edge of rational behavior
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:59:37 GMT

Graham Randall (c60b-3ho@e260-4b.berkeley.edu) wrote:
> You know, no one's mentioned Max Roach.  He did a clinic here at Cal during
> our Collegiate Jazz Festival and he was just amazing.  He did a solo on his
> hi-hat that was incredible.  Banging the cymbals, top and bottom, then 
> jammin' on the stand itself for awhile.  Too cool!  

Being two blocks down the street from UMass where the God teaches ain't too
bad either.  He just had a concert here about two weeks ago which was out
of this world.  For all you metalheads out there who think you know where
drumming is at, check out the Clifford Brown/Max Roach album "Daahoud" and
then go back to school.

[FX: ducks]

LAiRD

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From: petrop@vccsouth20.its.rpi.edu (Philip A. Petrocelli)
Subject: Re: Beginner.
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 06:58:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.224309.10093@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead) writes:
>petrop@aix.rpi.edu (Philip A. Petrocelli) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Dec17.084727.14512@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead) writes:
>
>>>Don't even think about playing a set for at least a
>>>year. 
>>WRONG.  Get behind a kit as soon as u can, and learn where everything is - try
>[extremely long post deleted...]
>
>   WRONG.  Actually it depends on the individual. If a person can *still*
>spend hours at a time working on chops on a pad after thrashing around on a
>set, then working out on a set shouldn't be too detrimental. But, most new
>drummers get enchanted with a set and how they can sound just like Tommy Lee.

Please don't rag on Tommy - he is a FANTASTIC showman, and his chops are nothing
to sneeze at - see him live.

>Their chops go to hell because they found something a lot more fun to do.
>   It also helps enormously to learn how to read music. To do that, you really
>need to start out with one line of notes, not four.
>   You drive a Pinto before you drive a Porsche. You have to know the language
>before you can communicate. Etc...

When learning a language, you first learn a few catch phrases that allow you to
become functional in the language, while getting down the technical aspects of
the language.  A good language course HARDLY hands you a grammar, a list of 
rules, and a vocabulary list and expects you to come out speaking like the 
natives.  If you have taken a language course like this, ask for your money 
back - u have been robbed.
By the way, how did YOU learn your primary language?  I dunno about you, but I
guess I have long since lost the set of rules and the grammar for english that
was given to me by my mother just after I popped out of the womb...  Someone
told me I learned by first mimicking, then taking grammar courses in high school- 
he was a moron tho, so I don't believe him....

So, what language ARE these guys who play on records speaking?  Is it not the
language of rhythm, and is it not ok to at first mimick what is going on in 
order to appreciate the technical ability needed to play drums, and get down
the technical aspects?  Just checking.  I find it hard to believe that you are
against the idea.
>
>>>Concentrate on making the basics something you can do naturally.
>>Agreed.  :)
>
>If you agree, then why did you contradict yourself in the first half of
>your post?
>

Dude, I suggest you go and read the post again - it is not a trashing of
learning technical skills.  Read more carefully, please.

Phil
petrop@rpi.edu


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From: smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead)
Subject: Re: Difference between various pad controllers for MIDI?
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:27:42 GMT

   I can only say a little about controllers since it's hard to get anything
but Roland and Yamaha in this town. I have an Octapad II. It's versatile
enough to be a percussion/SFX controller. If you want something to play
more intricately on, maybe the KAT thing would be better because of the
superior pad surface. You also get more triggers and more versatility with
the KAT.
   Octapad II's have 8 pads and 6 external inputs, so you can trigger 14
channels/notes total. Each pad/external has its own parms (like channel#,
velocity, etc). You can also assign up to 3 notes to each trigger, and
have them mixed, velocity-mixed, or velocity-switched.
   With a footswitch, you can Chain patches together so your entire night's
performance can be managed by only clicking to the next song. There are 64
patches. (I don't know *why* they didn't just go 00-99 instead.)
   It also has the standard hold switch, volume and bend pedal inputs and MIDI
in/out/thru. Nice mounting clamp, too.
   Somebody else can talk about the other brands.

Muff
From: hughes@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (paul)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Sonor Prices?
Date: 17 Dec 92 10:17:02 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Dec13.184509.23422@csi.uottawa.ca> u509274@csi.uottawa.Ca (U. N. derGrad) writes:
>
>Come on, people, come out of the closet!  Let us know what your piece-of-sh*t kit
>is!!!
>
>
>"Dare to be different!"
>-- 
>The    Alain Gauthier u509274@csi.UOttawa.CA    The
>Al     u509274@csi.UOttawa.CA                    Al


I have a set of 1984 Pearl drums with very nice, heavy hardware... a 5-piece
with the smallest, Chinese-sounding ride and bent up hi-hat you've ever seen,
plus another set that I picked up for $150 that is luckily the same shiny blue
color with turdy hardware (where most of the wing nuts are only screws that
have a drum-key fitting on the end...they SUCK) that never goes the right 
direction or is stripped.  I got a fabulous snare from the beaten set and a
larger, grosser ride that I punched holes in and put small rivots in so that
it makes a "sizzle" sound when I play with brushes on soft songs, but still
acts like a ride when I play harder...  I also bought another set that was
so bad that it didn't have color coating shells, just wood-grain contact paper
that peeled up from the edges, no backing heads or hardware, but a really nice
hi-hat and ride cymbal.  I put about $100 into it and made it a thousand times
nicer, sold it off for a profit and took the cymbals.  So I have a bunch of
stuff now: double bass, 4 toms, 2 heavy floor toms, 2 hi-hats, tambourine,
cowbell, 2 snares (one tight, the other with a looser setting on the snares
so I get more overring), two rides and a sizzle.  I just can't figure out
how to set it up so that I can reach the hi-hat (the one with the tambourine
and cowbell on top, that I use most of the time--the other one is locked closed
for convenience) and still get to the two toms on the left set.  It sucks.

It's a mutt of a set(s), but I love it.  Spending 4 months using the wood-grain
child-like set makes me appreciate anything!

Anyone have another junk set?

The Panther!
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From: chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Chris Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Trouble with Ludwig
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:55:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <1g7sdjINNdj0@stan.Solbourne.COM> halk@solbourne.com 
(Hal Koshak) writes:

Bad experience with dealer....

>I'd like some advice from others that may have had a similar experience.

>Last October I walked into a Denver Ludwig dealer (Rupp's) and stuck a 
>deal for a seven-piece Classic (with 2 bass drums).  I wrote a check for 
>the whole thing, and took what the dealer had in stock, namely a five-piece 
>kit.  He ordered the rest. 

(Hal goes to blame Ludwig)

I wouldn't put the blame on Ludwig.  I would put it on the store where
you bought the kit.  The salesman was right Ludwig won't take the set
back and exchange it.  It's the stores responsiblity to come up with
what you want.

I don't expect in a minute that the store would exchange the kit.
What they _should_ have done was to say OK we will order the kit you
want.

This type of deal falls into a buyer-be-ware thing.  You *could*
complain directly to Ludwig.  Go to your dealed again and ask for
Ludwigs phone number.  Tell then you only whant what is _reasonable_
you assumed that you would have a matching set and the store didn't
sell you that. Maybe that will "encourage" the store to do the right
thing.......

Good luck!
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From: smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead)
Subject: Re: Beginner.
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:12:57 GMT

johnsonc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Chris `Choke' Johnson) writes:

>>You have to know the language
>>before you can communicate. Etc...
[I wrote that.]

>Boy, I bet a lot of 4 year olds would be upset to hear that! :-)

   You're telling me. My nephew keeps blabbing and burbling, on and on, but
we can't understand a thing he says. Of course, he *is* speaking perfect
Chinese. ;)

Re: hot drummers and stuff

   I'd never heard Vinnie until I got the Sting video (not that I knew of, but
possibly on some Zappa stuff). Now I know why people immortalize him. He
has the most perfect taste I've ever heard from a "backing" drummer. He's
not a Kenny Aronoff "I'll play this for the rest of the song" drummer. He's
not a Jeff Porcaro "I won't play much, but it will count" drummer. He's a
"I think I'll hit cymbal now, then I'll do this groovy double bass thing, oh,
where's my china, I feel like a rimshot on the snare, these 5th notes should
throw 'em off" drummer. My kind of drummer.
   Other drummers whose taste I admire are Neil, Stew, Alex VH, (I grew up 
on those 3), Krupa, Weckl (although he's getting a bit boring), Joe Morello,
William Calhoune, all Zappa drummers, Charlie Benante, and for some reason,
Peter Criss.
From: 6o25@sdf.lonestar.org (Stephen M. Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: For Sale: Snare & Cymbals
Date: 10 Dec 92 00:58:47 GMT
Organization: Super Dimension Fortress - Public Access Unix - Dallas, Tx..


Zildjians -

18" Medium crash
20" crash/ride
8" splash
14" top quick beat high hat   \___ I would like to sell as a pair 
14" bottom new beat high hat  /

drum -

Pearl maple shell 10 lug snare drum  8 1/2 x 14  (biggie) perfect shape

make offers please.. thank you.


-- 
Stephen M. Jones (214)436-4622 
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From: daviess@gov.on.ca (Stephen Davies)
Subject: Difference between various pad controllers for MIDI?
Summary: What's the difference?
Organization: Government of Ontario
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:13:03 GMT

Can someone please tell me what the difference is between the various
MIDI pad controllers that are on the market (ie. Roland Octapad, Pad 8,
DrumKAT EZ, other controllers electronic drums etc.).  Thanks in advance
for any information that you might have!
From: dchavez@tincup.enet.dec.com (Dale J. Chavez - Colo Spgs)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: How About Some talk about Hot Drummers!
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:43:17 GMT
Reply-To: dchavez@tincup.enet.dec.com (Dale J. Chavez - Colo Spgs)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Dec17.161029.18459@eua.ericsson.se>, euabec@eua.ericsson.se (Ake Beckman) writes:
|>>1993 tour. What an honor to be able to play in Jeff's place.
|>
|>Does anyone have the story on him, what happened to him?
|>Sad, I think Jeff was one of the greatest (drummers) ever...
|>

Jeff Porcaro developed a heart condition due to prolonged use of cocaine
(though he had recently completed rehab).  A very tragic ending to the
drummer that played with more feel/groove than is humanly possible. Modern
Drummer had a tribute to him in last month's magazine.

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From: DCROWLEY@brownvm.brown.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: What can one do with The Police
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 09:13:26 EST
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

Had a friend who put a couple of mattress's on the floor and walls. The covered
them with plywood and stapled 1/2" carpet underlayment to that. Insulated the
room really well. Except for the spongey feel when walking on it. The neighbor
who had the room under-neath that room couldn't hear a thing!


Dave Crowley
DCROWLEY@BROWNVM
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From: euabec@eua.ericsson.se (Ake Beckman)
Subject: Re: How About Some talk about Hot Drummers!
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:10:29 GMT

doug@justdoit.ingr.com (Doug Harbord) writes:

snip
>I also saw the new DCI video of Simmon Phillips. This guy is a monster. His double 
>bass licks are great. I also hear that he has been asked to tour with Toto on the 
>1993 tour. What an honor to be able to play in Jeff's place.

Does anyone have the story on him, what happened to him?
Sad, I think Jeff was one of the greatest (drummers) ever...

Regards
Ake.Beckman@eua.ericsson.se
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From: smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead)
Subject: Re: Beginner.
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:47:27 GMT

   Since you live in a place where a drum would bother others, a practice
pad sounds like a good starter. A pad like a Real Feel will be very quiet
and give you a nice bounce. But something like a Remo (tunable head) will
react more like a real drum and you'll be able to hear the accents better
than with a gum rubber type pad.
   But if you have a place where you could go to practice (like a dirt road
or a music building), then a snare drum would be that much better.
   Buy something cheap, but quality. Look around garage sales and stuff. Then
have someone suggest beginners books. Start at the beginning. Private lessons
are highly recommended. Don't even think about playing a set for at least a
year. Concentrate on making the basics something you can do naturally.

Muff
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From: smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead)
Subject: Re: Cheap Skins (was Sonor Prices)
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:50:31 GMT

   My first set was from Sears or something. It had those papery sort of
heads and red cymbals (one with rivots). 'Twas cool. But I was about 6 at the
time. Too bad it isn't around any more, at least the cymbals.

Muff
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From: doug@justdoit.ingr.com (Doug Harbord)
Subject: How About Some talk about Hot Drummers!
Reply-To: doug@justdoit.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:54:03 GMT

Lets see, I just bought the Vital Information CD, Easier Done Than Said, and I
was completely blown away by the first cut which was a blazing boogie. Steve Smith
has come along way since Journey. I put him at the top of my Jazz/Fusion/Rock idols.
I also saw the new DCI video of Simmon Phillips. This guy is a monster. His double 
bass licks are great. I also hear that he has been asked to tour with Toto on the 
1993 tour. What an honor to be able to play in Jeff's place.

Lets hear some Talk about "Talented Drummers" you listen to! 
--
Doug Harbord 	Intergraph Corporation
M.S. CR1102	Systems Product Marketing - Graphics Technology
(205)730-6166	b11!justdoit!doug
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From: mdwalker@unix.amherst.edu (MATTHEW DANIEL WALKER)
Subject: Re: Cheap Skins
Organization: Amherst College
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:00:58 GMT

As for Sonor prices, they are _high_.  I don't recall exactly what they
are, but they are expensive. . . 

As for cheap sets, I am using a bass drum, snare drum, rototoms, and a floor
tom.  The rototoms are key--if you tune them really high, they cut through
really nicely--esp. if your guitarist is using a grungy sound.  They are 
small, however, and can be difficult to hit.  Mike them up, however, and
you can get a neat sound.  

I didn't know Sears made drums.  I can only imagine what they sound like; 
the bass player for my band just sold his Sears bass (Paul McCartney look-alike
model).  It had a neat 'farting' sound.

	Respectfully,
	Matt

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From: c60b-3ho@e260-4b.berkeley.edu (Graham Randall)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Hot Drummers!
Date: 19 Dec 1992 18:52:02 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: e260-4b.berkeley.edu

You know, no one's mentioned Max Roach.  He did a clinic here at Cal during
our Collegiate Jazz Festival and he was just amazing.  He did a solo on his
hi-hat that was incredible.  Banging the cymbals, top and bottom, then 
jammin' on the stand itself for awhile.  Too cool!  

I'd have to say my other favorites are Peart, Gadd, Poccaro, Steve Smith...
Christ, too many.  Peart just has a knack for making percussion a part of
the music.  Gadd is the king of innovative grooves.

--Graham

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