HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: garys@iscp.bellcore.com (Gary Seubert)
Subject: Coincidence or Plagiarism ???
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 14:54:36 GMT

I've been waiting for an appropriate time to point this example out and
it looks like the time has come.  Pick up your Summer 1991 issue of
Juggler's World (Daniel Rosen on the cover) and read along with me ...

From interview with Daniel Rosen (pages 21 & 23)
	"... And I used to go up to San Francisco and watch Michael
	Davis on the streets.  I would watch pretty much everybody"

	Q: What is your favorite place where you've performed?
	"The Tonight Show.  That was the best audience ever. ....
	Sugar Babies, though, every night was incredible.  Every night
	it was like a standing ovation."

From article on Penn & Teller (page 25)
	Another experience that soured Penn on juggling happened
	during his street performing days.  "After I was working
	juggling in San Francisco for a while, a juggler who will
	remain nameless took a good 4-5 minutes of material from me 
	and did it on the Tonight Show, and in Sugar Babies...  
	People began asking me if I had gotten the material from him,
	because he was more famous than I was at the time.  That
	really hurt me."

You decide -- coincidence or plagiarism??

The morale is:  Don't ever ask Michael Moschen if he learned his stuff
		by reading "Contact Juggling" -- it would be a crime if
		MM got "soured" on juggling.


Gary Seubert
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From: zuckerma@tiger.vill.edu (Daniel I. Zuckerman)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Philadelphia Juggling Convention
Date: 17 Aug 92 01:15:20 GMT
Organization: Villanova University

***** Attention Jugglers ******

Announcing the 1992 Philadelphia Juggling Convention!

Come join us Saturday, October 3rd and Sunday, October 4th for this year's 
juggling extravaganza.

There will be workshops on many different topics in the gym on Saturday 
followed by a FREE public show later in the evening.  Sunday will continue 
with open juggling for as long as you still have the energy!

At press time, we did not have a definitive list of stars, but we have been 
assured that there will be many special guests.  We hope that you can be 
among them.

The convention will be held at Plaisted Hall, on Philadelphia's scenic 
boathouse row.  The public show location was not available at press time, 
but will be announced at the gym, or here when available.

For further information about workshops (attending and/or hosting), auditioning
for the public show, housing and directions, please contact:

Al Angello                               OR                    Jackie Erickson
(215) 489 7682                                               (215) 222 3976

See you all there!
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: BJA 1995 (Was Re: @^(%*&&@* journalists!)
Date: 18 Aug 92 09:14:54 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre
Originator: netnews@uts.mcc.ac.uk

In article <1992Aug17.085141.2608@geosys.co.uk> steve@thorin.geosys.co.uk (Steve Hawtin) writes:

>In article <zlsiida.100@fs1.mcc.ac.uk>, zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:
>|> 
>|> 8th convention ('95) in Southampton anybody?

>I thought '95 was going to be in Norwich, do you know something I don't?
>Or am I getting confused (again) :-)

No, I didn't know they'd already picked the 95 location.  It was just that 
guy from So'ton moaning about the press coverage, I thought it'd be nice to 
splat the journos with 3K jugglers.


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From: guardian@netcom.com (Andrew Denton)
Subject: Moschen's Monopoly
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 02:20:05 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

      Ide like to appolgize for my previous post.. It was FAR to silly...
 
               I have no Egyptian liniage.. Im actualy swiss, so im going
      after anyone with a pocket knife with a built in toothpick. B)
 
                And now..  The Larch.

-- 
Blah blah blah... Teleblah...
From: ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu (Eric J. Olson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Rubber chickens
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:46:28 GMT
Organization: Citizens for Boysenberry Jam Fans

In article <COVIN.92Aug11154400@despair.cs.uchicago.edu> covin@tartarus.uchicago.edu (David Covin) writes:

>                                    But there's a mail-order company
>in Nebraska which was mentioned on talk.bizarre because they sell
>superballs by the gross (quite cheaply, too).  Most of their products
>are very inexpensive, though I know nothing about the quality; but
>they at least used to sell rubber chickens.  I can dig up the address
>if you like.

Dig, man, dig!

Eric Olson <ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu>
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From: fulton@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Ben Fulton)
Subject: Re: Meal plan settlement
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:33:17 GMT

In <1992Aug14.214540.11056@xgml.com> emp@xgml.com (Eric Promislow) writes:

>    Everyone who bought one in Montreal has been griping about the
>meal plan, and most likely rightfully so.  But as thomasl pointed out,
>Montreal is one of the best food cities on the continent.  Given the
>choice between walking up the hill to a cafeteria, or down the hill
>into the heart of a very vibrant downtown, you wouldn't need to tell
>me where to go.

Well, yes, but I made a last-second decision to get the meal plan, after
wandering around lovely, scenic, FRENCH-SPEAKING Montreal.  Especially
as a vegetarian, I didn't want to enter L'Hamme D'Egges, and discover
that it specialized in Steak Tartare...Did any non-French speakers not
get the meal plan?  Have any trouble?

ben
fulton@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
"Get the hell out of my way!" - John Galt


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From: fulton@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Ben Fulton)
Subject: Re: @^(%*&&@* journalists!
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:28:36 GMT

>You don't need to become a reporter! Write a letter to the editor! If it is
>well written, brief, concise, biting, etc. it will surely get printed. If you
>really think that this article has misrepresented your club, let the world
>know! Bad articles can be damaging. Of such things are lawsuits made. I
>really advise a letter to the editor... If it is printed (and the well-
>written, interesting, SHORT ones usually are) you can be CERTAIN that this
>reporter will get just what she deserves.

Mmmm.  Bearing in mind that ALL publicity is good publicity.  You don't
want to make your club look like a bunch of whiners, either.  thomasl wrote
a similar letter from our club about an article in the student paper, 
recently, and as per her norm, it was a model of discretion and taste.

ben
fulton@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
"Get the hell out of my way!" - John Galt
From: fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Time to clean your office.
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:46:17 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


So I was just sitting here at my desk, chair turned sideways, casually  
juggling five bean bags.  Nice little ultra-leather dark blue Fergie bags.   
I was doing quite well this night.  I was even starting to admire the  
tightness of my pattern, when it happened.  Not a strange event mind you,  
and one that did not strike me as particularly unusual... I dropped 3  
bags.  Now, ordinarily, this wouldn't mean much.  I would take another sip  
of soda, pick up the bags, and continue.  Or I would casually click on  
another newsgroup to read on my computer...  This night, I just wanted to  
juggle, so I reached down and picked up the first bag, picked up the  
second bag, then reached for the third...  Where was it?  Was it under the  
chair?  Nope.  Under the desk?  Nope.  *think*  On top of something then?   
Certainly my 5 ball wasn't that erratic that it could have flown accross  
the office, so it must be here in this 4 by 4 foot area right around my  
desk.  Ah, on my desk right in front of my nose?  Nope...  In among the  
empty soda cans on the other table?  Nope... *think*  Still not panicking  
mind you, but starting to get just a little annoyed at not being able to  
find it so quickly.  Aha!  BEHIND the books on the book shelf!  (I check)   
Nope.  Rats!  Where is it?  I look about my office, and realize that it  
really is a total MESS!  It must have been months since I last cleaned  
it...  It is now about 10 hours since the incident, and still no bean bag!   
Yes, it is time to clean the office...

Michael Glenn (fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu)
From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Meal Plans
Date: 15 Aug 92 02:33:12 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

Hopefully the option to get room in a dorm sans mealplan is always
available.  Many schools have a combo setup whereby anyone using
the dorm MUST buy the food.

Unfortunately, you never know how badly the food sux until after
you've gotten your first meal and can't get a refund.

P.S.

Latest JW arrived yesterday.  Bill G...excellent work!!

It looks like the advertising vendors are growing by leaps & bounds...

------------------------------------------------------------------------
You get what you pay for.  And if you don't, then you didn't.

MacPhil / iqti400@indycms.bitnet / iqti400@indycms.iupui.edu
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: mikelee@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: @^(%*&&@* journalists!
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:03:52 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
X-Envelope-To: juggling@moocow.cogsci.indiana.edu

>Last Wednesday, a reporter for the Southampton Echo (our local rag) paid a
>visit to our club, watched a lot of juggling, talked to quite a few of us
>(not me), then went away to write her story. The result was utterly
>unbelievable - I'd never realised quite how bad reporters can be even with
>the non-sensationalist stories.

Speaking as a @^(%*&&@* journalist, all I can say is -- right on.

mike lee
old oregon magazine
university of oregon
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From: covin@tartarus.uchicago.edu (David Covin)
Subject: Re: Rubber chickens and superballs
Organization: University of Chicago Computer Science
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:44:12 GMT


   A bunch of people sent me email asking for the address of this
place,  so here it is:

Oriental Trading Company, Inc.
P.O. Box 3407
Omaha, NE 68103
Phone 402-331-6800
or 1-800-228-2269

They sell all kinds of kitsch in bulk, including 1 3/4" super balls
for $6.00/doz., 2 1/2" rubber balls of some sort for $10.80/2 doz.,
and rather smaller (3/4") super balls for $4.50/gross.

The most recent catalog I have from them does *not* list rubber
chickens; I'm pretty sure that an earlier catalog did.  Whether this
means that they no longer sell them, or that they just didn't put them
in this catalog (we received a Halloween catalog on the same day
listing slightly different merchandise), I have no idea.

Hope this helps someone.

--
David Covin                           covin@despair.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: andya@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Andrew Arhelger)
Subject: Re: Mills mess
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:15:10 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

Thanks for all the advice on Mills' mess.  I have decided I am doing 
the correct pattern, but I do need to polish my technique some. I
guess I had a good teacher.  Just for the record Dan Wasdahl (my teacher)
does Mills' mess, a clawed Mills' mess, what he calls, Mills' mess pullover,
and a clawed Mills' mess pullover (this is probably the hardest 3
ball trick I have ever seen!).  I have all these on video tape.  I
have even seem him do Mills mess with 3 clubs. 

Since Dan has moved away I couldn't ask him my questions.

Just couldn't resist braggin on him...

Andy Arhelger
andya@rchland.vnet.ibm.com
From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: flash vs juggle (records)
Date: 15 Aug 92 02:31:48 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University


Minor pedantic correction:

A flash vs. juggle is not determined by
      # objects x # hands

it's # objects x 1 vs # objects x 2

otherwise, three throws & catches of 3-in-1 would qualify as a juggle
as it'd be 3 objects x 1 hand.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
You get what you pay for.  And if you don't, then you didn't.

MacPhil / iqti400@indycms.bitnet / iqti400@indycms.iupui.edu
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: drbill@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (william.h.davies)
Subject: Re: up and erratum
Keywords: ewww, gross!, deviated, septum
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:04:22 GMT

In article <Bt2H41.AFp@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> thomasl@copper.ucs.indiana.edu ((thomasl)) writes:
>
>frank olivier is now my hero, because not only did he do a ten club passing
>runaround with the passing zone in the gym (wasn't it 10?), but mainly and 
>mostly because he put dental floss up his nose, and had it come out his
>mouth. more importantly, he followed it up later with a qualatex 260, and 
>finally, (what a SHOWMAN!!!), did it again, and had it inflated AND twisted.
>
>I tried this same trick with the extra long chain from my combat
>dog tag.  Remember those?  Last year's fashion item.  I can do
>limp spaghetti, no problem, but the chain just kept going in, and no amount
>of hacking could get it to come out.  More and more beads disappeared into
>my cavernous nostril.  Now I understand how a seemingly endless stream
>of phlegm can emerge non-stop during cold season (what a resource... can
>no one harness that power?).  When i got about a foot of chain up there, with 
>little result save a metallic taste in the back of my nasal passage,
>I pulled it out. It felt really weird coming out.  I tried the other nostril. 
>No luck there either.  practice, practice,practice.
>

Keep working on it and maybe you can be on Letterman for the "Stupid
Human Tricks" - he had some guy on there last Friday, who inhaled a
raw oyster up his left nostril and then hacked it out of his mouth!
Now if thatsnot *hero* material, I don't know what is . . . I mean
this is the kind of thing that makes your parents proud!  Who cares
that he couldn't juggle?!?

Bill

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From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: Re: n Mr. Eastwood really juggle 7 ping-pong-balls with his mouth?
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:47:51 GMT

Resent-Date:  Sat, 15 Aug 92 22:36:27 EST
Resent-From:  macphil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Resent-To:    juggling gateway <juggling@moocow.cogsci.indiana.edu>
 
 
>From: tjj@rolf.Helsinki.FI (Timo Jokitalo)
>Subject: Can Mr. Eastwood really juggle 7 ping-pong-balls with his mouth?
>
>Yesterday, I went to the amusement park and saw a juggler from Las Vegas,
>"The world's fastest juggler", Wally Eastwood. (If I heard the name correctly
>from then unclear announcement.) He did some really nice club-juggling, doing
>doubles or triples or something which were only about a couple of feet high.
>Then he juggled 3 ping-pong-balls in his mouth, and the announcer said that
>he is also able to do that with 7 balls! To me, this seems rather impossible -
>perhaps the Finnish announcer, who clearly knew nothing at all, exaggerated
>a bit? Does anyone know?
 
Source:  Guinness Book of World Records, 1992 edition
         (I've got back to 1972 in my personal library)
ISBN 0-553-28954-3
p. 475 under "Juggling Records"
 
7 ping-pong balls with mouth.  Tony Ferko (Czechoslovakia), 1987.
 
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From: Dale Deutscher <c2xdwd@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com>
Subject: (none)
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 08:47:18 EST

SUB JUGGLING *Dale Deutscher
From: day!nullset!rick@uwm.edu (Richard J. Moll)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: five ball problem
Date: 12 Aug 92 05:20:07 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
X-Mailer: SCO System V Mail (version 3.2)

In article <1992Aug10.153110.1727@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>
> I'm currently trying to learn 5 balls; I've now got to the point
>where I can get runs of ten to fifteen throws regularly, but every
>time the same thing happens; my right-hand throws come closer to my
>body, and my left-hand further away, so that I wind up turning
>towards the left (anticlockwise if seen from above). It gets to the
>
> -- Fenthe

Accurate throws are much more important for numbers juggling than
for 3 or 4 balls.  In my experience, the best way to develop accuracy
is to do something easier so that you can concentrate on the throws.
Either 3 balls at a 5 ball height (as Bob Murphy already pointed out)
or 5 ball flashes would be good.

When you do these things, you must first demand good throws of
yourself, and then remember what those throws felt like so you
can incorporate them into the full 5 ball.


>specific hints for this particular problem? (I'm left-handed, for
>what it's worth; I got to five via the four ball crossing patterns,
>which seemed to help a great deal; that, and getting three in the
>left hand down properly).

Try going back to your 4 ball crossing, and make sure that the
throws as perfect as humanly possible.

Since you're left handed, you should be spending more time on the
right hand.  Try learning a 3 in the right hand and/or do a lot of
two in the right hand at a 5 ball height with *perfect* throws.


--Rick Moll
rick@nullset.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: day!nullset!rick@uwm.edu (Richard J. Moll)
Subject: 10 ball record
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 22:08:05 CDT
X-Mailer: SCO System V Mail (version 3.2)

Arthur Lewbel (Lewbel@binah.cc.brandeis.edu) writes:

> Concerning the 10 ball record:		[...]
> The deal on his [Albert Lucas's] 10 ball
> record is that he flew a bunch of guinness people over to watch him, and 
> after many hours of attempts he finally got off 20 throws with 10 balls, 
> gathering them all at the end (for some reason, Guinness at the time 
> required all the balls to be gathered at the end, in the hands.


	Obviously Guinness has their own rules, but I'm just wondering
if the following is correct:

	By IJA competition rules, 20 throws of 10 balls would *not*
be a qualifying juggle, since the 13th catch would break the pattern.
A 10 ball juggle would require at least 28 throws to have 20 in-pattern
catches.

--Rick Moll	  (technician, not artist)
rick@nullset.UUCP
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From: chrisl@joplin.wri.com (Chris LaReau)
Subject: Re: 10 ball records, convention food history
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:13:29 GMT

In <01GNQ72S7SGW8WW4OU@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU> LEWBEL@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU writes:

>Once again for those still asking: Todd (is god) Smith offers 25% off all
>merchandise except silicon balls to folks on the net. Call him at
>216-761-6388.

>The correct spelling of satillite is satellite (as in "satellite clubs"). By
>the way, my pocket Webster's defines satellite as "one constantly in 
>attendance upon important personage; an obsequious follower" pretty clever
>for a club name, eh?

As long as we're having a spelling lesson, I have never ever seen a silicon
juggling ball, and Todd (is God) does not sell them. Fakini and Todd and
Dube' (cross your eyes to get the accent right) sell silicone balls. Silicon
is the element, hard and shiny crystalline stuff which would make a nice
but very expensive prop for Moschen-style manipulation if you could afford it,
silicone (with a long o as in cone) is a polymer of silicon which has a very
nice rubbery quality in some formulations (i.e. silicone rubber).

Just venting my little pet peeve (and no, I'm not a chemist). Sorry to trouble
you all.

Ridiculously,

Chris

-----------------------
Chris LaReau  (working for, not speaking for (as if I needed to say that))...
Wolfram Research Inc. 100 Trade Centre Dr. Champaign IL 61820  (217) 398-0700
chrisl@wri.com               "Everything you know is wrong" -- Marble Madness
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From: covin@tartarus.uchicago.edu (David Covin)
Subject: Re: Rubber chickens and superballs, followup
Organization: University of Chicago Computer Science
	<COVIN.92Aug12124412@despair.cs.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:48:03 GMT

Ok, the Halloween catalog from OTC (see previous post) *does* list
"  23'' Plastic REALISTIC CHICKEN.  Each - $3.60 "

From the picture, it really doesn't look all that realistic, :) and is
probably as pointy-edged as any other plastic chicken; however, it is 
pretty cheap, even considering postage if you get several or other
stuff as well.

I don't work for this company; I'm not even a satisfied customer; I
and my roommates were just intrigued by the idea of a gross of
superballs. :)

--
David Covin                           covin@despair.uchicago.edu
From: LEWBEL@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: 10 ball records, convention food history
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:44:00 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
X-Vms-To: IN%"juggling@moocow.cogsci.indiana.edu"

Concerning the 10 ball record:
 A few years ago Albert Lucas spotted me in Harvard square (Cambridge, MA),
and we had breakfast together at the Greenhouse Cafe. I do not recommend
the experience of dining with Albert to anyone. The deal on his 10 ball
record is that he flew a bunch of guinness people over to watch him, and 
after many hours of attempts he finally got off 20 throws with 10 balls, 
gathering them all at the end (for some reason, Guinness at the time 
required all the balls to be gathered at the end, in the hands. A catch in
the crook of his arm was disqualified. Also, Guinness counts balls and
bean bags as distinct props).
  In contrast, it is widely believed that Rastelli performed 10 balls on stage
though no film of it exists, and of course audience accounts of such a feat
can not be trusted.

Concerning convention food: I recall the food at Hampshire college (1979
convention) being excellent, especially for vegetarians. The general rule is
never to book the meal plan at conventions ahead of time. You can always sign
up when you arrive at the convention if the reports are good and/or the 
alternatives are bleak.

I find the thought of Andrew Denton and Dan Menendez (sp?) together to be a
scary one. You guys play 2 on 2 basketball?

Once again for those still asking: Todd (is god) Smith offers 25% off all
merchandise except silicon balls to folks on the net. Call him at
216-761-6388.

The correct spelling of satillite is satellite (as in "satellite clubs"). By
the way, my pocket Webster's defines satellite as "one constantly in 
attendance upon important personage; an obsequious follower" pretty clever
for a club name, eh?

Arthur Lewbel   Lewbel@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
From: guardian@netcom.com (Andrew Denton)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Moschen's Monopoly
Date: 15 Aug 92 02:17:49 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


     Thats IT!!! I have Egyptian ancestors, dateing back to the Pharoh
 "Big dave" Ramses the II, and I am sick of everyone doing my tricks!!!
 Thats right, the oldest records of juggling are from ancient
Egypt... So ide like to state you have no choice!! Stop it!! stop it NOW!!!
no ball throwing will be allowed from now on. From now on all you people
must roll balls!!! As long as the balls arnt thrown, its OKAY...
 <Well maybe some new york artsy fartsy guy dressed in black might get
upset... but who ever listens to him?!?!??> Oh yea, My daughter is verry
upset about everyone stealing her daddy's tricks, so Stop!!! And so is her
mummy!!! <Bad pun intended>
 
                                     Andrew (Ahmen Hotep) Denton

-- 
Blah blah blah... Teleblah...