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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (five left and cut!)
Subject: Re: Rigs on Airlines?
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 02:41:29 GMT

In article <1406.2B06F151@ehsnet.fidonet.org> skydive@ehsnet.fidonet.org writes:
>Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
>Fido-To: romulus!hobbes.nas.nasa.gov!toby
>
> r> "Are you talking about D. B. Cooper???"
>
> r> "Yea, that's the guy.  You know him?",  he asked suspiciously.
>
> r> I didn't tell him that one of the gentlemen
> r> I am traveling with, my boss, is Dave Cooper (who has 
> r> never made a skydive, and
> r> whose middle initial is not B).  
>
>Actually, someone told me that Cooper's middle initial isn't B either.  That he was only listed on the manifest as D. Cooper.  Some kind of media enhancement I guess...

You mean he manifested for that jump?? 

TIm :-)


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From: tonyp@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Anthony Leicester Peak)
Subject: Joke
Summary: Joke
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:26:41 GMT

Did you hear about the Irish parachute?

Opens on impact!


	Kiwi.
From: dparsons@ache.mad.adelaide.edu.au (David Parsons)
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Subject: Cypres: best price USA /Netherlands
Date: 19 Nov 1992 10:23:05 GMT
Organization: University of Adelaide, South Australia
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A quick question on Cypres:  what is the best source (pricewise) for these
in the USA or in Netherlands (or nearby countries)?  Service is not an issue
since it will be installed and used in Australia.  Purchase before Xmas.
PLease mail me (to keep newsgroup clutter down).  If anyone wants the info I get
just mail me.
Thanks
David....  dparsons@ache.mad.adelaide.edu.au
From: robert.wilkins@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Robert Wilkins) 
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: INTERNATIONAL FREESTYLE C
Date: 15 Nov 92 14:57:00 GMT
Reply-To: robert.wilkins@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Robert Wilkins) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Computer Dynamics - (604)291-0800

Interesting how your cameraman can barrel roll and keep the person in
the viewer. I always thought that a barrel roll was a complete 360 along
the vertical axis. How does he manage to hold his head in one position
while his body turns 360 degrees. BOB!!!
From: robert.wilkins@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Robert Wilkins) 
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: NATIONALS  SCORES/ROUND
Date: 15 Nov 92 14:44:00 GMT
Reply-To: robert.wilkins@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Robert Wilkins) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Computer Dynamics - (604)291-0800

KInda nice to see someone else win for a change. Congratulations to
Deland Vertical Speed. If someone knows Howie say hi to him from DB.
HAve a great year. BOB!!!
                                                                                             
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From: eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: 7 vs 9
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 20:47:52 GMT

> 9 cells typically fly with more foreward spd. than a 7cell,
>making them MUCH more fun to fly, and land.
>9's usually flare better because of their design,
>which allows a smaller Canopy (Less pack volume,
>hotter performance,not ness. in that order.)

The first part is true. I do beleive you can get away with a smaller (sq ft)
9 cell.  But 9 cells pack LARGER (cu in) than a seven cell of the same
size, and generally pack larger than the comparable and bigger (sq ft) 7 cell.
Of course, zero-p's are a different story.

Case:

7 cell Raven II is 218 sq ft, and packs to a volume of 364 cu in.
9 cell Falcon 195 sq ft packs to 427 cu in.

even the falcon 175 packs larger than the raven II.
Moral:  Those extra 2 cells cost a lot more nylon than you
might guess.

-Eric


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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (five left and cut!)
Subject: Re: Blimps
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 22:51:57 GMT

BE sure to make some GIFs!!!
Tim
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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (five left and cut!)
Subject: I finally chose a canopy
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 16:36:30 GMT

After a year and 160 jumps on mostly 220 ^ft 7 cells, and a few 
infrequent jumps of higher performance canopies, hours of agonizing
over whether I had the balls to jump an itsy-bitsy ZP 9 cell,
I finally have filled out an order form, and am buying a PD Lightning,
160 ZP, a 7 cell CRW canopy.
I weigh 145-150, jumped a 176 Sunday, and had the sweetest landing
I've ever had, following a most exciting ride down. I'm glad  I waited
and didn't buy a PD 9 cell, or an AR-7, or a Super Evolution, or a Sabre,
though I may yet try to jump some smaller Sabres soonish. gak- all I need
is two rigs ;-)

If you get a chance, try a Lightning!

Tim
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From: ehsnet!f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org!SKYDIVE (SKYDIVE)
Subject: Re: Rigs on Airlines?
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:42:56 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: romulus!hobbes.nas.nasa.gov!toby

 r> "Are you talking about D. B. Cooper???"

 r> "Yea, that's the guy.  You know him?",  he asked suspiciously.

 r> I didn't tell him that one of the gentlemen
 r> I am traveling with, my boss, is Dave Cooper (who has 
 r> never made a skydive, and
 r> whose middle initial is not B).  

Actually, someone told me that Cooper's middle initial isn't B either.  That he was only listed on the manifest as D. Cooper.  Some kind of media enhancement I guess...

Anyone know?


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From: shibuya@bl.applicon.slb.com (Hiroto Shibuya)
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Subject: S&TA grounding (was: Re: Whuffo Q&A)
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:26:47 GMT
Reply-To: shibuya@bl.applicon.slb.com
Organization: Applicon; Billerica, MA (USA)

In article <BxIv5r.Exq@vti.com> mark@vti.com (Mark Smith) writes:

: I've never seen an S&TA spot a low-pull so consequently, I've never
: seen one be in the position to try and ground a low-puller.

I've seen one!  Down at Eloy a couple weeks ago, we were doing fun
jumps after the competion doing lots of stupid stuff to blow our fuse
off.  At one load, which I was not on, they were funneling through
break off altitude and opened at around a grand or lower.  DZ manager
(I'm sure he is also S&TA) Bryan Burke saw that and grounded them for
the rest of the day.  Well, it was sunset (or presunset) load so they
didn't mind that much.

Hiroto
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From: ehsnet!f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org!SKYDIVE (SKYDIVE)
Subject: Re: 7 or 9 Cell?
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Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:33:05 GMT

Reply-to: Sysop@p7.f68.n110.z1.fidonet.org (Sysop)
Fido-To: romulus!sr.hp.com!glenb

Often times the best thing to do buy your first rig, is to look for a good used rig, this has many benefits;
       1) Its alot cheaper to Jump, not having to rent boring student gear.
       2) It allows you to get some exp. on a rig your not afraid to get a little mud on, which you will do, as you will presumably no longer be flying a student "tent" and you will have to get used a little bit hotter approach,
making your flare a little bit more critical. (He-He)        3)We all have opinions on what you should buy, but the reality of it all, unless you have "beginner's luck" -is You may find yourself stuck with new  gear thats not what you would REALLY like, and in order to sell it, you will face unreasonable depreciation.
       4) Hey, when you want to buy a rig that you WANT, you can ALWAYS sell it to the next guy coming off student status for probably what you paid for it!
       Cool, Eh?
 
 
     In response to you ques. re: 7 cell vs 9 cell;
          7 cells are typically more suited for CREW, and ACCURACY, you can "sink" a 7cell in by coming in at "half Brakes" which is good for ACCURACY.
  I'm no expert at CREW (Mainly because the local DZ CREW "Expert" is an asshole, who started doing CREW, because his EGO wouldnt allow critisism on his RW when he was learning. too bad.) But, from what I can dissern, 7 cells are good for CRW mostly because everybody that does CREW has a 7 cell! actually, theres a little more to it than that, but not much.
 9 cells typically fly with more foreward spd. than a 7cell, -making them MUCH more fun to fly, and land.  9's usually flare better because of their design, which allows a smaller Canopy (Less pack volume, hotter performance,not ness. in that order.)
        So, there you have it -my opinion- for what its worth.  
                                  Blue Skies. Ed.

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From: ks@acn.purdue.edu (Kirk Smith)
Subject: Blimps
Reply-To: ks@acn.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:25:51 GMT

I got the oppurtunity to jump a blimp last weekend.  I was just wondering how rare
that really is.  Virgin Lightships said that they had flown 2 jumpers once before,
and they thought Goodyear had flown some jumpers.  Anyone know about other blimp
jumps?

					Kirk Smith

P.S.  It was awesome.  The pictures and video came out great too...
From: shibuya@bl.applicon.slb.com (Hiroto Shibuya)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Canopy aging (Re: Ravens really do snivel!)
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:39:23 GMT
Reply-To: shibuya@bl.applicon.slb.com
Organization: Applicon; Billerica, MA (USA)

Concerning sniveling of old canopy.  Any canopy seems to open slower
when they get older.  Does any particular brand of canopy show general
tendency of loosing it fast?  I had Raven II for 0-200 jumps of its
life and currently have Raven I with less than 100 jumps on it.  When
they are relatively new, my impression of Raven is cracking opening
canopy, so what Dan means by the reputation of Raven must be that it
looses it quick.  But I'm curious if it is really noticably worse than
other F111 canopies under similar condition.  People treat canopies
very differently in very different conditions, so I can imagine that
one canopy can be worn out as badly as another canopy with twice as
many jumps.  (my Sabre looks several months older after spending 12
days in dusty Eloy :-( )

I'm wondering about this because my friend is jumping Manta with more
than 1300 jumps on it, and still using the original slider and opens
beautifully.  Is Manta better canopy than Raven considering its
opening over time? Or is it just he treated his canopy very well.

Oh, I'm also curious if there is anybody out there who have worn a
life out of a Sabre, or any other zero-P canopy.  There must be, but I
haven't met one yet.  If you have, with how many jumps?

Hiroto
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From: jkearns@encore.com (Jim Kearns)
Subject: Orlando tunnel?
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:52:24 GMT

Not long ago in Pigeon Forge where I was doing some tunnel work I heard
about an outdoors "tunnel" (i.e. like an aerodium -- no walls) opening
in Orlando Florida.  The owner/operators were supposed to be some
people from Georgia.  This not to be confused with the one at Z-Hills
which I heard is not completed, nor with Clive Ure's Aerodium operation
which I don't think has had anything running since he left Tampa.

I have tried to find out more about the Orlando facility but draw a 
blank when I call around.  It is supposed to be called something
like "The Great American Flying Machine", according to my source.

I would like to use this tunnel, if in fact it exists, as it would be
convenient to South Florida, where I am.  If anyone knows more about
this tunnel, please post (and reply by email in case I miss the post).

Thanks in advance,
--Jim
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From: mark@vti.com (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: Get a Sabre!
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:32:04 GMT

Eric S. Johnson (esj@viper.eng.ufl.edu) wrote:
: She stalled her sabre once, it came out in a stall turn, lines twisted 
: from the risers up.... She couldn't raise her head to look up. Had to cutaway.

Interesting question for your friend... does she still use/like her
sabre or has she traded it in?
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Blue skies and all that.
From: mra@zoo.toronto.edu (Mark Austerberry)
Subject: World wide video standards
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:04:26 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology


CANADA DOES USE THE NTSC VIDEO FORMAT!
That is why border TV stations can be picked up in either
Canada or the States.

PAL is the video format used in Europe, except for France
and the former Soviet Union countries which use the SECAM
video format.  I`m not sure about the rest of the world.

To convert a video tape from one format to another, just
check around with video stores to see if they have the
equipment to convert a tape for you.  Also check with 
your local cable company.

-- 



                       Mark Austerberry
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From: mark@vti.com (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: Just curious
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:16:55 GMT

five left and cut! (tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu) wrote:
: I think the snow and cold have a lot to do with it, Denver is expecting
: 24 inches by tomorrow... I-70 is already closed, I-25 is closed in town,
: I bet the DZ is closed, even.

This area of the world had many tornadoes this weekend.  Even so, I was
able to squeeze in two jumps on Saturday.  The sky cleared up all of a
sudden and up we went.  Good fun.

Tornadoes? in virginia? it's no wonder, our temperatures for the last
week have ranged from 20-30 degrees last weekend (11/14) to 70 degrees
today (11/23).  Wierd weather patterns.
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From: drp40@cd.amdahl.com (Doug Puchalski)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: freestylists from tunnel
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:39:03 GMT
Reply-To: drp40@cd.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale, CA

In article <1992Nov16.021917.9860@mercury.cair.du.edu>, tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (five left and cut!) writes:
>
>The guy that took 2nd last year came into the competition with only 17 
>skydives, but with 145 hours of tunnel time. He noted that skydiving is 
>easier than tunnel flying because in the tunnel you have only 11 feet
>to work with, and so you have to be more disciplined. He slid all over 
>the sky, which I found to be rather amusing. And didn't he hurt himself
>landing this year? 

The big joke at the DZ was that the guy was still on radios!  (Now give me
a left 90, ok let it fly....one, two, three, flare!) hah!

I also found it amusing that he had 150 hours flying in a single vertical
column of air, but slid all over the sky.  You would think that his skills
would be disciplined so that he would stay right in place.

-- 
Doug Puchalski       You have the right to your opinion, even though it's wrong
drp40@cd.amdahl.com	        My opinions are my own, and are fact, of course
dpuchals@engin.umich.edu                                   Death to all smileys
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From: dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs)
Subject: Re: Rigs on Airlines?
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 21:14:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.024129.10171@mercury.cair.du.edu>
  tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (five left and cut!) writes:
>>Actually, someone told me that Cooper's middle initial isn't B either.
>>That he was only listed on the manifest as D. Cooper.  Some kind of media
>>enhancement I guess...
>
>You mean he manifested for that jump?? 

Hey -- the Feds are one thing, but you just *don't* screw with the manifest
desk.

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From: egyed@LNS62.TN.CORNELL.EDU (zoltan egyed)
Subject: Re: NEED HELP ON NEW MAIN & R
Nntp-Posting-User: ze10@cornell.edu
Reply-To: EGYED@lns62.tn.cornell.edu
Organization: Wilson Lab, Cornell U., Ithaca, NY, 14853
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:05:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.010308.20436@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>, bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:

>If it opens in time. All other things the same, the larger the parachute
>the slower the opening. An amazing number of people find this out the hard
>way by buying a main that's larger than they need. It's a recipe for snivels.

A larger than usual main does not necessarily mean snively openings.
I weight about 205-210 lbs with gear, and use a Falcon 265.
(I like nice, soft landings, even in Colorado in the summer,
on a windless day. :-)     )
Measured the opening time on video, and it's fast. After releasing the
pilot chute, ~1.2 sec later the slider is starting to be pushed down.
Never had any snivel.

Once, as a student, I jumped a Hercules 340.
I had to pump out the end cell closures. And it was like a big truck.

  Zoltan

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From: glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Subject: 7 or 9 Cell?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:30:30 GMT
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD - MWTD) - Santa Rosa, Ca.
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 As a newcomer to the sport of tossing my body out of airplanes I find
 that I'll soon be facing the same decision as a few other folks here:
 what kind of rig should I purchase? However, before I can even start
 the process I find myself with a few questions...most notably, what
 it the difference between a 7 cell canopy and a 9 cell canopy? (yeah,
 I know...2).

 I'd be very interested in learning what the relative strengths/weaknesses
 are of various canopy designs and containers. For instance:

 Canopies:
    7 vs 9 cell.
    ZP vs f111.
    microlines.

 Containers:
    Racer Elite
    Vector
    Others?

 Thanks,

 ..glen
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From: mstack@mcs213a.cs.umr.edu (Martin Stack)
Subject: Re: Blimps
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 05:51:30 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

In article <1992Nov17.172551.2026@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> ks@acn.purdue.edu writes:
>and they thought Goodyear had flown some jumpers.  Anyone know about other blimp
>jumps?
>
>					Kirk Smith
>
>P.S.  It was awesome.  The pictures and video came out great too...

   Hey ,  I thought of this early but I never heard of it before!
  
What if we were to get teh GoodYear Blimp for WFF convenction 1993 ?  How
expensive or practical would that be ?  Think about it !



*********************************************************************
Martin Stack (mstack@cs.umr.edu) (s096051@umrvma.urm.edu)

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From: jatu@ee.tut.fi (Tuukkanen Janne)
Subject: student radios
Originator: jatu@tesla.ee.tut.fi
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 12:54:17 GMT


 We have had some problems with our student radios. Looks like those damn
radios just play top 20 when the ground radio man screams reserve commands
to the student :-) Our receivers are placed in a little pocket on the left arm
of students suits. Maybe that wire from radio to the little speaker inside
the helmet causes the problem? Or our ground radio has not enough watts (1W)?
We have searched for better receivers, but there is not such simple
radios available (nice Japanese scanner receiver costs about $700 each,
but we need only one channel...).
 Your experiences with student radios? Helmet assembly would maybe help,
but what is the best place? Has anyone heard canopy entanglements to a
student radio?

  




-- 
                                                              Janne Tuukkanen
     VW-Beetle, parachute and mirrorshades, all I need!       jatu@cc.tut.fi
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From: mpiet@is.morgan.com (Mark Pietrasanta)
Subject: SkyDiving in NY/DC
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:32:41 GMT

Does anyone know of any good SkyDiving places near NY or D.C.?

I've never done it before, but would like to learn.  How many jumps
before I can free-fall? How much for the first jump? How much after that?

Any info would be great... Please e-Mail if possible.
Thanks,

-- 
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From: mark@vti.com (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: Just curious
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:30:14 GMT

Ben Daniels (bdaniels@ssf-sys.DHL.COM) wrote:
: Has everybody suddenly stopped posting or is it just our local system
: out in the ozone again?

I got your posting... I believe it's just a slow time.

How many people out there are *not* reading this message because you
went back home for Thanksgiving?   ;^)
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