HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: quest@iowegia.uucp (Steve J. Quest)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Who needs intelligence (cont.)?
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 14:32:56 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Waffle BBS, Clive IA USA, +1 515 226 2156

enag@ifi.uio.no (Erik Naggum) writes:

> Think about it: If all this killing and mindless violence suddenly
> stopped, completely, never to return, what would news be like, what
> would people talk about, what would we do with all this purported
> responsibility we should feel?
> 

Erik,

        If all the violence suddenly ended, the whole world would 
be just like Des Moines, Iowa.  The news here is *amazing*, in 
that there just seems to be no crime, no violence, no killing.  
The news is filled with human interest stories, and maybe about 3 
times a year something "horrible" happens, like some guy shoots 
his ex-wife and it makes headline news for a month!

        We don't even have many break-ins here.  I recently looked 
through the paper under police reports, and could only find 
incidents of automobile accidents.  This is why I live here, but 
gee, it sure is boring.  Now that I have said this, crime will 
move in next door to me (gulp!).............sq

(Iowa, a place where you can firmly settle into the grout...)

Xref: sparky rec.org.mensa:6359 misc.education:3208
From: hrubin@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Rubin Herman)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa,misc.education
Subject: Re: Demise of honor programs in public high schools
Date: 24 Aug 92 01:57:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <1992Aug23.200128.25439@uc.msc.edu> eab@msc.edu (Edward Bertsch) writes:

>Well, I can imagine that people figure that this will be good for the
>slow students (let's call the vegetables, to be cute).  But what exactly
>is in this deal that benefits the quick students?  And for that matter,
>perhaps the smart kids will resent their 'mission of mercy' and actually
>won't be that good for the veggies.

>Folks in misc.education, do you have any real-world data on what happens
>when students are grouped with no respect for differences in ability?

This has been stated repeatedly on this group, but there are always new
readers.  I claim that we will never have even a fair educational system
as long as our children are prevented from learning because others cannot
do what they can.  Even the honors programs crawl compared to what can, 
and should, be done.
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
{purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: gpowell@ent1.ent.ncsu.edu (Eugene Powell)
Subject: Why do WE etc.,etc.,
Followup-To: ulowel 
Summary: Accumulate some relative wisdom 
Originator: gpowell@ent1.ent.ncsu.edu
Keywords: responsibility 
 OK, if the 'chine is wirkin':
   Something like, " ability to change the things I can, accept
Organization: Dept. of Entomology - NCSU, Raleigh, NC
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:45:43 GMT


Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: sonic@romulus.cray.com (Curtis Swanson)
Subject: A hungry frog. (was Re: A Short Puzzle)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:37:50 CDT

Hmmmm.  I personally thought the frog would succeed by jumping 3 to the right
and 2 back left.  On the next jump of 3 to the right, he'd smack in to the 
wall bordering the tiles and, dazed from the collision, stumble back to the
food and recover.....

***  Curt Swanson  ***  sonic@romulus.cray.com  ***  IOTTMCO  *********
HOME:n - That mythical place where you can go and relax.......
I'd rather be in a coma.........
--
***  Curt Swanson  ***  sonic@romulus.cray.com  ***  IOTTMCO  *********
HOME:n - That mythical place where you can go and relax.......
I'd rather be in a coma.........
From: scholar@meena.cc.uregina.ca (SCHOLAR)
Subject: Re: Demise of honor programs in public high schools
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 04:09:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.230739.16097@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes...
>We've got to learn to appreciate each others' unique abilities
>and realize that we can all be exceptional without anyone being
>less than exceptional.  And that, regardless of our ability to
>perform any task, gosh darn it, we should be allowed to do it.
>Everyone can grow up to be President. ...

Right on!  When will they realize that you don't have to be a genius like
Dan Quayle or Ronald Reagan to...  (Cough, sputter) NEVER MIND.

"They can have my security blanket when they pry it from my cold dead fingers!" 
 (;              Joshua Scholar (scholar@meena.cc.uregina.ca)               ;)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: morphy@cco.caltech.edu (Jones Maxime Murphy)
Subject: Re: Stephen Hawking, Mensan
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:51:59 GMT

mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:

>He explains these in more detail in the book.  I believe that he means that
>when one particle does not go into the black hole, it represents a slight
>loss of mass or energy (which are same, as we all "know"); therefore, after
>a sufficent number of billions of years, the black hole will lose all its
>mass and energy by this means.  Why the other particle entering the black
>hole doesn't represent a gain of mass or engery is something that I either
>never figured out, or have forgotten.

It's a what's called a virtual particle, and so has negative rest energy. That's
what that guy was talking about when he complained about "negative energy"
particles.
Jones
-- 
Jones M Murphy Jr                                        (212) 602-4375
NatWest Investment Bancorp, National Westminster Bank PLC
100 Wall Street, New York, NY10005                   FAX (212) 269-0113
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ken Kaufman)
Subject: Set (the game)
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:08:25 GMT

This weekend I picked up and played Set, a card game that has received
rave reviews from Games Magazine, Mensa reviewers (that's why I'm posting it
here), and others.  Indeed, it is an addictive, ever-changing, often
frustrating game.

However, Set does contain one serious flaw that I'm posting as a caveat
for those of you who may be in the same condition as I am.

As many of you know, the figures on Set's cards may be open, shaded or
filled, and come in three colors: red, blue and green.  Unfortunately,
the darkness levels of the red and the green are similar enough that
discerning the colors of the open figures at table distance in indoor
lighting can be hell on those of us with modest r-g deficiencies.
Couldn't they have used a different shade of green?

For those of you not familiar with the game, failure to discern the
colors of the cards in play instantly is indeed a serious playing handicap.  
You may want to consider this when thinking of buying the game if anyone
in your circle is colorblind.

I may wind up playing Set anyway this weekend in Pittsburgh; if not, there
are always Facts in Five and Politburo Hearts ;-) ;-) ;-)

==Ken Kaufman (kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu)
From: Craig.Wagner@p2.f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Craig Wagner)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Mensa on Letterman
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:34:32 -0500

  DR> I have only watched the first 15-20 minutes so far, but it is nice to
  DR> see that Letterman has found a use for Mensans.  We finally have an
  DR> answer to that age-old question, "What is it that Mensans do?"  Well,
  DR> as you can see, we get soda for celebrities! :-)
  DR> 
  DR> Actually, it is rather strange turning on your TV and seeing a bunch
  DR> of people you know standing in line, passing a can of soda....

I hope someone will give us a more detailed report after the show is over?
From: mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Food groups
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:56:43 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <lacoeaINNlr@sal-sun47.usc.edu> lotspeic@sal-sun47.usc.edu (David Lotspeich) writes:
>Speaking for college life there are truly only two food groups:
>
>1) Free food.  (Donations are always accepted, especially for attending
>	university functions.)
>and
>
>2) MY food.  (Herein are contained those subdivisions which you are so 
>	pettily arguing about.  Personally sugar provides ~80% of all
>	my daily nutrients.)
>
>	-- David Lotspeich  (lotspeic@usc.edu)

Speaking also as a college student, you left out:

3) Dorm food.  (As long as you are willing to stretch your imagination, of
course.)

:)
-- 
                   "All my possessions for a moment of time."
                            -- Queen Elizabeth I
John Mechalas 
mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu                                 #include disclaimer.h
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: seb@draper.com (Steve Bacher)
Subject: apart of
Organization: Draper Laboratory
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:25:00 GMT

Mike Steiner says he's "heard" (but not "seen") the phrase "apart of"
meaning "apart from".

Now, if it's heard and not written down, it's damn hard to tell the
difference between "apart of" and "a part of".  And if they have
opposite meanings, this is a highly nonoptimal mode of discourse.
(I'm from NY too, so I oughta know - and I don't remember ever
having heard such a thing.)  Conclusion:  Sorry, but I don't
believe you.

 - seb
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From: wiegand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert Wiegand)
Subject: Re: A Short Puzzle
Reply-To: motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:05:18 GMT

mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas) writes:

>Here's an interesting puzzle someone pulled on me today:

>   Imagine a frog that is in square three of a row of six squares.  Square
>five contains food that the frog wishes to eat.  The frog can only move by
>jumping three squares one direction, then stopping and jumping two squares
>in the other direction.  Is it possible for the frog to land on the square
>with the food without jumping off the "playing field"?

>     -------------------------------------------------
>     |       |       |       |       |       |       |
>     |       |       | Frog  |       | Food  |       |
>     -------------------------------------------------

>   I'll post the answer tomorrow, though I imagine somebody will have
>figured it out by then...  :)

>-- 
>                   "All my possessions for a moment of time."
>                            -- Queen Elizabeth I
>John Mechalas 
>mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu                                 #include disclaimer.h

I don't think so.
If I understand your rules correctly:
	Alternate moves of 3 and 2 squares
	The 3 and 2 square moves must be opposite directions

Starting position:
XXFX@X		(X = empty, F=frog, @=food)

There is only one possible first move of 3 squares:
XXXX@F

Next move of 2 must be:
XXXF@X

Only one possible move of 3:
FXXX@X

Move of 2:
XXFX@X

This is the same as the starting position, so the frog goes hungry.


-- 
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Robert Wiegand - Motorola Inc.
uunet!motcid!wiegand
Disclamer: I didn't do it - I was somewhere else at the time.
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Mensa on Letterman
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:06:40 GMT
Distribution: usa

Mensa's PR firm posted a message on Compuserve last night that Thursday's
David Letterman show will have about 50 to 60 Mensans on it.  He didn't
say much more than that.

I plan to watch it.

--Mike
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Subject: Re: Update on New Newsletter
Organization: The Cat Factory
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:40:12 GMT

In article <10287@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> hall@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Hal F Lillywhite) writes:
}In article <182sf2INNm23@gw.home.vix.com> shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD) writes:
} ...
}
}>                   and statistical evidence proving that African
}>witchcraft has been a more effective psychiatric cure than Freudian
}>psychoanalysis.
}
}This is one which probably could get published in a recognized
}journal.  A lot of modern day psychologists reject the Freudian
}approach and there is good evidence that it does more harm than
}good.  It wouldn't take much for a witch doctor to do better.  ...

This isn't even new, let alone controversial any more.  Classical Freudian
analysis had been pretty well discredited and discarded when I was
studying psychology, over 15 years ago.  There are published studies
showing it's non-usefulness, which is why it was discarded. (No, I'm too
busy to go look up chapter and verse on that.  If you won't take my word
for it, look it up yourself).

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
Santa Monica, CA  90405
From: mrcc@cattell.psych.upenn.edu (Andrew Olson)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: WANTED: condenser lens(es) for Omega D-3 enlarger
Keywords: condenser lenses, Omega D-3 enlarger
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:47:39 GMT
Followup-To: rec.photo
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


 I would like to get a hold of a set (or a single) condenser
 lens (6.5" diameter) for an Omega D-3 enlarger.  The enlarger
 I am currently using has two ugly scratches on one of the
 lenses, which show up as light spots in the prints.  If anyone
 has a set or can point me to a likely source, I'd appreciate 
 it.  Local camera stores don't have any, and I have been told
 the lenses can no longer be ordered from the manufacturer.

 E-mail replies preferred.

 Thanks,
 Andrew Olson
 (mrcc@cattell.psych.upenn.edu)
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   Club Neuro                                               me . . .
Philadelphia, PA                                      "Mister Couscous"
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From: lelebrun@eos.ncsu.edu (LOUIS E LEBRUN)
Subject: Hasselblad For Sale
Originator: lelebrun@c10020-319mn.ce.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: lelebrun@eos.ncsu.edu (LOUIS E LEBRUN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:19:57 GMT



To all Who recieved mail from me in error...SORRY!
For some unknown reason I have been recieving others' mail
and sending to incorrect addresses.  Oh Well.

Anyway...

I have the following equipment for sale:

	Hasselblad 500cm Chrome Body w/ WL
	80mm f2.8 CF T* Lens w/hood
	A-12 Film Mag, Chrome
	Hass. Wide Strap

	$1850 obo

The above equipment is in near mint condition with the exception of the hood.
I have all of the original boxes and manuals.
I just went back to school and really need the money.

Please reply to:

	Louis E LeBrun IV
	4012 Ingram Drive
	Raleigh, NC 27604
	(919)872-2785
	lelebrun@eos.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: babyduck@leland.Stanford.EDU (Tim Chen)
Subject: Re: Rechargable type of lithium batteries?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 06:05:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.071044.20090@jyu.fi> konkkola@jyu.fi writes:
>In article 23989@leland.Stanford.EDU, babyduck@leland.Stanford.EDU (Tim Chen) writes:
>> Does anyone know of a rechargable replacement for the lithium batter for such
>> cameras as the Canon EOS or the Nikon 6006?  I'm not too keen on buying tons
>> of lithium batteries even though they last a long time, I'm more interested
>
>About 6 rolls in my EOS 10 with EF 2.8/300 - is it a long time??

Hmm mine lasts SIXTY rolls or more usually... actually i'm more interested in
a type of battery that I dont' ahve to throw away when it's finished... sort
of an environemntal sort of thing.

Tim
From: leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence LEONG)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:48:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Variable output slave flash
Organization: HP Singapore
Newsgroups: rec.photo

In rec.photo, strong@tc.fluke.COM (Norm Strong) writes:

|Does anyone know of a slave flash unit with an adjustable ouput.  All
|the ones I've come across work at full output only; you have to cover
|them partially to regulate their light output.  I'd like one that has a
|3 stop range of adjustment, and doesn't consume more power than
|necessary when used at low output.  
|
|Thanks muchly,
|-- 
|
|Norm Strong  (strong@tc.fluke.com)
|2528 31st S.   Seattle WA 98144   USA

Why not use one of those adjustable output flash units and attach a slave
trigger?  Eg Vivitar 283, Metz 36. 

lawrence
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: pd@sics.se (Per Danielsson)
Subject: Re: Which is first camera with TTL meter?
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 12:18:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.142107.9722@qiclab.scn.rain.com> al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman) writes:

>In article <87216@netnews.upenn.edu> liang@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Chuck Liang) writes:

>>  Also, who was the first to have TTL flash control?  Was it Olympus?

>Again, I'll plead lack of authoritive sources, but the OM-2 would
>seem to be the one - although the OM-2n was the first designed for
>the TTL flash control, a later shoe adapter made TTL flash possible
>with the OM-2.

Nope, the original OM-2 was designed with TTL flash control (the first
TTL-flash was the Olympus Quick Auto 310). The OM-2n had in addition a
ready light in the viewfinder for the flash, which is why the hot
shoes for the OM-2 and the OM-2n are different. No version of the OM-1
or the OM-2 had a hot shoe built in. You had to mount one on top of
the prism. There is one exception: the OM-2SP (known as the OM-2S in
some parts of the world) had a built in hot shoe, since its body was
based on the OM-4 body and not on the previous OM-1 and -2 bodies.
--
Per Danielsson				pd@sics.se
Swedish Institute of Computer Science, PO Box 1263, S-164 28 KISTA, SWEDEN
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: dhr@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Dan Harlow 3551)
Subject: question about night photography
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 21:10:30 GMT

I'm totally new to this newsgroup and I haven't used a camera beyond
the point and shoot versions in years.  So here's my problem...

I would love to take pictures of the beautiful San Diego skyline at
night, with all the lights and the hills and the lit up towers.  But
I can never get them to come out or look good with a point and shoot.
I have friends across the country and around the world that I would
like to send pictures to, without having to resort to ripping them 
out of books.

I'd love some advice about how to take well done night pictures of 
buildings, skylines, and even with people in the foreground.  I have
a Canon A-1, and a tripod.  If someone would kindly offer a beginner 
some advice about this by direct email or by posting, it would be 
tremendously appreciated.
                          -Thanks, Dan Harlow (dhr)
From: gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Which Prof.  35mm camera had plastic body parts.
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:30:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: clark.1992Aug28.163005.404
Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa.  USA

In article <13248@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>
>I'm confused... isn't "polycarbonate" just another polymer derivative?
>IE, isn't "polycarbonate" used by camera marketeers to avoid saying
>"plastic?"

Well, simply speaking a Polycarbonate is plastic, but its not quite NORMAL
run-of-the-mill plastic.

Gary
-- 
-----
Gary Snow
uunet!clark!gsnow  or  gsnow@clark.edu
From: cmcdowel@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Charles E. McDowell)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Medium Format Digest.
Date: 23 Aug 92 19:08:04 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

If you would be interested in being added to the mailing list for the
Hasselblad / Medium Format Digest, a semi-moderated digest dedicated to
discussion about medium format equipment and techniques, send your mail
address to:  cmcdowel@ecn.purdue.edu.   Please put your address in the body
of the letter, don't rely on the header.

[ Charles McDowell                   Purdue University - Lafayette, Indiana ]
[ cmcdowel@ecn.purdue.edu            School of Electrical Engineering       ]
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Grainy B&W film?
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:14:43 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <246@metran.UUCP> jay@metran.UUCP (Jay Ts) writes:
>zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) writes:
>: 
>: I have 2 rolls of Ektachrome Infrared AERO 8443 IE135, and a roll of INFRARED
>: ( IR135 ) in my pocket. Any one got a data sheet for the IR? Or a E-6 mod
>: for E-3 films?
>
>The newer Ektachrome IR (process E-4) can be processed with the Kodak Slide
>Hobby Pac as long as the temperature is at or below 74F.  Maybe that will
>work for yours as well.  What's the difference between E-3 and E-4?

There was an article in Darkroom Photography a while back about hardening
pretreatments to allow E-4 materials to be processed in E-6 at normal 
(100.4 F) temperatures.

E-3 doesn't use chemical reversal - you have to re-expose the film to
reverse it. Lots of fun...

Steve
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: dbm@vulcan.anu.edu.au (David R. Braddon-Mitchell)
Subject: Re: selenium wash
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:03:28 GMT

Indeed Selenium toning does give you this effect, but the effect
it gives varies dramatically with the paper you use. 

I routinely selenium tone my FB prints, so here are some papers
and the effect of complete toniing: 10 mins or so (shorter times
can have almost no descernible effect on some papers; except a slight
increase in shadow contrast and a verry slight shift to purple-black)

Cold Tone papers:

Oreintal Seagul Select VC: slight movement to a purply black, very
slight indeed with shorter toning times

Ilford Galerie: Cools the paper down towards neutral from its light olive

Ilford multigrade FB: moves to black with a trace of faint pinky brown

All the shifts with these papers are slight. They are still black - and white.

Not so with the following papers!!! (all chlorobromide emulsions)

Oriental Center: moves through an aubergine purple colour to finally
a very bright reddy sepia; brighter than sulphide toning. i rather like this effect
sometimes! In iontermediate stats you get split colours; reddy brown 
shadows and aubergine purple midtones, ande the original olivey black
highlights!!

Agfa Record Rapid (Insignia more or less in the states)
An aubergine-purple brown.

Agfa Portriga Rapid
moves from warm tone black to definite brown with
a very sligthly reddy tinge
-- 
David Braddon-Mitchell
Division of Philosophy and Law
Research School of Social Sciences
Australian National University