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From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: very cold beer
Date: 26 Dec 1992 04:26:38 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
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In article <1h5o4nINNo2h@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, mag6@po.CWRU.Edu (Martin A. Gulaian) writes:
=I assume that the pressure in the capped beer bottle depresses the
=freezing point of beer the same way that the freezing point of water drops
=with increased pressure.

That's probably part of it.

=When the bottle is uncapped, pressure returns to
=normal, the beer finds itself supercooled, and freezes in a hurry, starting
=at some tiny bubble maybe.


=My question for the net:
=
=Why does the WHOLE beer freeze solid? If the beer is only, say, 20 deg F
=below freezing, how can it absorb all the heat from the freezing ice? To
=rephrase, a beer-sized block of ice would drop a beer-sized glass
=of water a lot more than 20 deg F before melting. Shouldn't the inverse
=apply here? 

Well, when CO2 expands, it absorbs heat.  This is the basic principle used for
refrigeration systems:  Expanding a gas requires work.  The energy required to
expand the gas comes from its surroundings.
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From: kpapai@rahul.net (Ken Papai)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: very cold beer
Date: 23 Dec 92 22:42:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: C Programmers & a2i network

mcampbel@cs.ucf.edu (Mike Campbell) writes:
>kpapai@rahul.net (Ken Papai) writes:
>>koziarz@chinet.chi.il.us (Louis Koziarz) writes:

>>>>>>If you've timed it right, you can pop the top off the bottle and watch
>>>>>>as the beer flash-freezes solid in a matter of a seconds. The first time

>>>Doesn't the frozen beer/ice expand and break the bottle, or gush out ...
>>>Every beer I've left in the freezer had broken in this manner.

>>That's because you're drinking cheap beer.  Good beer does not break the
>>glass.  Esp. if you are drinking out of twist-off bottles.  Anyway, beer
>>should not be frozen, good beer should be enjoyed at a temp. well above 
>>freezing, esp. depending on the beer.  A good bet for most good beers
>>is 39 to 46 degrees F.  Just ask the expert.

>What is it about 'good' beer that makes it not expand when frozen?  That's
>amazing!  =)

Because, there's no need to get "good beer" cold quickly.  Esp. not
freezer-level cold.  It's more amusing than anything else.  ...been
reading alt.beer too much lately.  ...this beer connoisseur-ness is
going to my head!  Good beer, esp. porters & stouts, is so "heavy"
already, and generally of higher alchohol that its freezing point is
10 degrees lower than the cheap stuff, ie, BudMillerCoorsStrohs.

 
-- 
Ken Papai <kpapai@rahul.net>
From: Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Hot Water flow mystery.
Date: 22 Dec 92 12:31:08 GMT
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Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <bcadamso.724920659@nella9.cc.monash.edu.au>
bcadamso@nella9.cc.monash.edu.au (B.C. Adamson) writes:

> vnelson@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Gerald Vernon Nelson) writes:
> 
> >In <1992Dec14.214841.4240@dbsun.uucp> check@dbsun.uucp (checkett) writes:
> 
> >>I have a question that bothers me every morning. I wake up and go to the john
> >>to have a shave and turn on the hot water full blast. Over the next 20-30
> >>seconds the water temperature goes from freezing to quite hot as desired. 
> >>The problem is that the flow rate of the water drops off as the temp goes up. 
> >>If I don't touch the faucet the flow nearly stops. What is happening? 
> 
> >When the faucet is closed, the water pressure is at a maximum.
> >When you open the faucet, water rushes out because of the high pressure.
> >But the pressure drops because youve created a leak, so the flow rate
> >drops off.
> 
> >Potential is highest when no current flows, as soon as current flows, 
> >pressure drops due to internal losses and line losses.
> >Works the same with electricity, and air lines.
> 
> >Vern Nelson
> 
> Funny, I always assumed that the hot water was making parts of the tap
> expand and altering the gap that was available for the water to come
> through.
> 
> Boyd.

  If it were just due to water pressure, hou come the cold water tap
doesn't do the same thing?

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From: kfl@access.digex.com (Keith F. Lynch)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Car Batteries die in the Winter - Why?
Date: 25 Dec 1992 18:31:28 GMT
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
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In article <1992Dec13.213841.24118@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> kpearce@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (BULLDAWG) writes:
> ... a chemical reaction is used to produce a potential differnce (voltage)
> across your battery terminals.  Without going into details, when exothermic
> reactions are cooled, the driving forces (which depend on temperature) are
> diminished and therefore the potential is smaller.

Not quite.  The potential is the same.  The available current is less, as
the internal resistance is greater.

Keith Lynch, kfl@access.digex.com
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
From: urban@sideshow.jpl.nasa.gov (Michael P Urban)
Subject: Re: Monty Hall/Shell Game..
Reply-To: urban@cobra.jpl.nasa.gov (Michael P Urban)
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:52:34 GMT

The remarkable thing about the Monty Hall Problem or shell game or
whatever is, perhaps, not its mathematics but its psychology.  The
correct answer (the odds are 2:1 that you should switch) is
_most_ counter-intuitive for people with some mathematical
training--the sort of people who might apply a heuristic like `now you
have reduced the problem to two doors'.  And because the mathematical
savants know what they are doing, once they have reached the wrong
conclusion it is astonishingly hard to persuade them to the other
side.  This is why the problem surfaces again and again in places like
alt.folklore.science or the syndicated column `The Straight Dope'
(where it has appeared at least three times) and similar forums.

In `The Straight Dope', the columnist (Adams?) once came up with an
explanation that might be helpful: extend the problem to one million
doors.  You pick one.  Now Monty goes and opens 999,998 of the other
doors, showing you that none of those doors has the valuable prize.
At the rate of a door per second, he finishes this task in about 11
days; this is why we are not using goats :-) You may now switch with
that one other door that remains.  The point here is that 999,999
times out of a million (i.e., if you did not pick the right door to
begin with), Monty ONLY HAS ONE CHOICE as to which doors he opens, and
as a result, HE IS SHOWING YOU WHERE THE PRIZE IS.

Does this help anyone?  No?  Oh well...

	Mike Urban

	urban@cobra.jpl.nasa.gov
From: don@perseus.spk.wa.us (Donald Byrne)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: RE: Monty Hall/Shell Game..
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:47:09 GMT


     To all those who posted to my question on the Monty Hall game, 
thanks. 
     My main contention was the fact that even tho it seemed like the 
person was to pick one out of three, that the rules really showed that 
the pick was one out of two. I know all the rules of the one out of three 
pick and the idea that that follows it. And I do contend that of the one 
out of three pick that the idea of change at the end would be a more 
favorable one.
     I do not wish to continue this as I do believe it has, like others 
have stated been beated to death. 
     And I do see where all of you are coming from with your anaylsis of 
the problem. So no more.. I resign into the mist with this post..


D.E. Byrne
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From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,rec.food.cooking
Subject: Re: AFU Flan Cub
Date: 23 Dec 1992 23:37:13 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

Quoting me:

  +>Terry "Can't someone give me a straight answer w/o a flame?!" Chan

PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai) writes:
  +
  +What do you expect?  Can't have rec.cooking w/o flame.

Well, there's brine curing as a form of cooking.  Also sun drying
(although you can argue that somewhere, there is a flame there).

Are there any others?

Terry "Say, are you related to 'papain'?" Chan
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From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: little girl embedded in grille (was: Re: I Live to FAQ!)
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:08:25 GMT
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
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jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (Joel K. Furr) writes:
 
  [In response to something I wrote]
 
  +And the guy firmly denies having driven the police car home, and the cops
  +ask him to look in his garage, and there's the car, lights still on and
  +flashing, right?

You got it.
  
  +Joel "Literate at a third grade level" Furr

Terry "What's 'literate' mean?" Chan
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From: rancke@diku.dk (Hans Rancke-Madsen)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Mother Lifts Car Off Child. Uh huh.
Date: 1 Jan 93 00:22:56 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

>pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (Jeremy Mathers) writes:
>:
>: I thought cars only burst into flames on TV.  Isn't it just a UL?

>No - it actually does happen once in a while.  It is not a common
>occurance.

What do you mean it is not a common occurance? American cars burst into
flames at the slightest provocation. That's one of the easiest ways to
recognize American movies.




      Hans Rancke
University of Copenhagen
     rancke@diku.dk
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Colors of Olympic Rings
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 10:29:57 GMT

lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
: 
: (so how many hides of the sons of the squaws of the hippopotamus are there?)

The number is equal to the sons of the squaws of the other two hides.

Bill "Shah Guido G" Nelson
From: naran@fraser.sfu.ca (Travers Naran)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: UL: Statistics in Media are Accurate and Credible
Date: 24 Dec 92 08:15:55 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

David B. Horvath, CDP <MBADBH@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com> writes:
>There have been a number of examples in the media (and posted in this
>group) of statistics that have a poor basis in fact.

This is not uncommmon for studies. The only reliable statistics available are
from the relatively older private polling companies. And that's because they
have real statisticians doing the work, most studies rely on the researcher's
statistical ability. Having taken the min. stats courses required by most
disciplines, errors in studies are not uncommon and that's why the final step
in a study is not notify the press, but publish the results and answer the
questions that are brought up.

>I also wonder how the most recent figure of women
>earning $0.70/men earning $1.00 was arrived at.  Are "apples" and "apples"
>being compared?  Are equivalent levels of education, equivalent levels of
>experience, equivalent levels of work effort (hours on job) being compared?

No, only the average (I repeat, average) yearly salary is compared. But
luckily, there have been other studies down by internal company standards that
have been properly 'weighted', which do show that women are consistently paid
lower. Details below.

>Of the two, which gives more hours (minutes?) for their dollar of pay with
>equal annual salaries?  If a company would base the salary on an internal
>calculation of $/hour, under these conditions, wouldn't it make sense to
>pay the man more (for more hours) and the woman less (for fewer hours)?

The City of Colorado supposedly did this, and with the help of a professional
statistician, they were able to determine there was pay inequity and in fact,
came up with a standard way of assigning what are fair wages. The factors
compares were amount of education (I think quality of education was also
factored in), hours spent at the jobs, physical conditions, etc.

>{I know I'll get flames for this one}

Curiously, you haven't gotten any public ones.
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From: doug@tellabs.com (Doug David)
Subject: Re: Dead Pigeons (was: Electric Field Question)
Organization: Tellabs, IL
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:45:57 GMT

In article <IfAp=Oq00WBKA1dLBE@andrew.cmu.edu> "Stephen M. Lacy" <sl31+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.alt.folklore.science: 17-Dec-92 Dead Pigeons (was:
>Electric.. by Drew Lawson@acuson.com 
>> That is because NYC (no, I'm not using MSWord) also has millions of
>> flies, cats, rats, crows and other things which will gladly eat a dead
>> or slow pigeon.
>

NY has alot of homeless people too. Mmmmmm, nothin like pidgeon roasted
over a barrel fire.

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From: Brian.Milner@brunel.ac.uk (Brian D Milner)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: ring-pulls/ cats-eyes
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:21:46 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK

Whoo! Whoo!, I got one, I got one.

One day a guy came up with an idea for a simple mechanism to make car's
windscreen wipers wipe intermittantly, rather than constantly - very
useful for drizzle / spitting / light rain.

He showed it to Ford, who said 'Naah, It'll never catch on.'

Next year's Fords all had the 'intermittant wiper' device. As the years 
went by, Ford licenced the idea to all the other car manufacturers.

After ~ 20 years (quite recently) the original guy managed to prove in
court that Ford had ripped him off. I heard he got a S*itload of cash
for it.

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From: fred@page6.pinetree.org (Fred Ennis)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Amusing signs
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 05:12:33 -0500
Organization: Page 6, Ottawa, Ontario +1 613-729-9451

>    How about that major hotel chain in France? Just about every town
> or city you pass through has a sign pointing to the "Hotel de Ville"!
> 
When Hull, quebec had city offices in a converted motel, it became known 
as the 'Motel de Ville'.


--
Fred Ennis, fred@page6.pinetree.org

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: brett@sr.hp.com ()
Subject: Re: Thawing food in cold water
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:26:59 GMT
Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)
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Michael Jenkinson (mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca) wrote:
> My wife says food thaws quicker when immersed in cold water, as
> opposed to thawing it just sitting in the air.

Since water is a better conductor of heat that air, I would expect the above
to be true.

Of course the larger the temperature difference between the water and the
food, the faster it will thaw.

And just to CYA (CMA?), I'm sure it's possible for very hot poor conducting
air to thaw something faster than very cold good cunducting water.	:-)

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Yes, but what happens if I put my frozen food in an air-filled baggy,
immersed in a pan of ice-water, placed in a hot oven at the North Pole,
in summer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: canevit@utkvx3.utk.edu (Canevit, Craig Eugene)
Subject: Re: The Kingdom of Ideas
Followup-To: alt.folklore.urban
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 19:13:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.174452.2633@dct.ac.uk>, ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) writes...
>In article <1993Jan01.205632.7206@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>, dgross@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Dave Gross) writes:
>> WORK IN PROGRESS:
>> "The Kingdom of Ideas"
>> Copyright (c) 1992 Dave Gross
>> 
>> 	If ideas have lives of their own, our knowledge of those lives is
>> more primative by far than the unscientific theories of biology held by our
>> most misled and ignorant ancestors.
>> 
 [snip, snip]
> 
>Memes and archetypes are just two of the terms used to describe this
>(or very similar) ideas. Biologists tend to use memes seeing them as
>analogous to genes and psychologists (jungian) tend to use archetypes.
>Psychiatrists tend to just call them neuroses :-)
>-- 
>Alan Greig                            Janet: Alan@UK.AC.DUNDEE-TECH
>Dundee Institute of Technology	   Internet: Alan@DCT.AC.UK
>Tel: (0382) 308810                 Int: +44 382 308810
>              -- There is only one true conspiracy --
Wow! I am glad we're having this discussion. I was wondering if you 
people could assemble a bibliography of memetics. I only know of a
few books which deal with the concept. I was also thinking about the
difference between archetypes and memes. Memes, to my understanding, 
are more like software whereas archetypes speak to something 'built-in'
although the 'speaking to' of archetypes--the literary use of and the
discussion of are most definitely examples of memes. Is this sound, David?
Anybody else?
Bibliography of Memetics---
	Dawkins, Richard. _The Selfish Gene_. New York: Oxford U P, 
		1976.
			The work from which memes get their name.
	VIRUS 23, issue $ [sic] available for $7 from
			Virus 23
			box 46
			Red Deer, Alberta
			Canada T4N 5E7
				includes a lexicon, and (I think) a
				brief bib. the first place I ever
				heard of memetics...
	Hofstadter, Douglas. _Metamagical Themas_ Sorry to all you
		fans if I misspelled anything here. I don't have this,
		but it mentions or discusses memes at least in passing.
		Anybody have better info here?
anyway, if anybody's interested, I hope this helps. I hope others out
there will contribute to the list as well...
--Craig E. Canevit

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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Sex, the Final Frontier?
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 18:57:22 GMT

In <1992Dec23.010026.6475@news.columbia.edu> lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:

>There are noise-generating diodes that are "tuned" by optimal placement
>within a fixed magnetic field.

Didn't Byte Magazine once publish a three-sided spec-sheet for a
noise-emitting-diode (NED)?
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: bill@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (William Logan Lee)
Subject: Re: Deer Season in PA - 6 wounded
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 09:13:24 GMT

In article <Bz6q2C.7Jy@ccu.umanitoba.ca> chrstie@ccu.umanitoba.ca (William John M. Christie) writes:
>You know I recently remember another form of 'unbiased' journalism with
>respect to firearms.  Both incidents were from our local paper and dealt with
>the increase of violent crime in our country with an automatic pistol
>prominent on the front page behind statistics over the past decade.  Guns
>weren't mentioned in the article _anywhere_.
>
>The second was dealing with the increase of juvenile crime (around the
>same time) with a snubby revolver as a background picture to the stats. 
>Again I don't remember seeing any details of firearm use.

That's interesting, I received a mailer last week from my local Member of
Parliament (State) advertising her support and participation of the
"Reclaim the Night" rally.  This campaign is supposed to show the support
for women to be able to walk the streets of our city at night without being
attacked or molested.  This report had a picture of an M16 silhouette with
the standard "ban it" (diagonal slash across a circle) symbol superimposed.
Interesting, because that type of weapon is illegal in this state, and thus
almost impossible to be the cause of women's fear in the streets: the
police would drag you to jail for carrying a weapon in view.  If the aim
is to highlight the incidence of domestic violence, then again it is
inappropriate - a ban-the-bottle picture would be much more approriate,
bearing in mind the influence of drinking alcohol has on the rate of
wife abuse in Australian society. What about a ban-the-fist, as this is
used far often in the "make your wife do an impression of a punching bag".
Sensationalist - sure, but she was out for votes, not real results.

Bill Lee
Sydney, Australia
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