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From: pathak@mitre.org (Heeren Pathak)
Subject: Re: HELP: Where OS/2 2.0 CSD?
Followup-To: comp.os.os2.misc
Organization: Mitre Corporation
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:31:20 GMT

In article <DBR8PB1w164w@dvss.UUCP>, dvss!jtroy@udel.edu (Jay Troy) wrote:
> 
> marbun@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (Marbun,Leo P) writes:
> 
> > I have not been able to follow the newsgroup for a couple of months. Would
> > anyone tell me when the CSD will be released and how to get it.
> > I appreciate your help.
> > Leo.
> 
> This is becomming a FAQ.  The "June CSD" was a misinterpretation of
> information.  IBM scheduled the release of "Ultimedia PM extensions"
> for June 30.  It was released ON TIME.  Some people picked up on this
> release date and assumed it was a CSD.  I've spoken to IBM twice on
> the subject.  Both times, IBM indicated to me that Windows 3.1 was the
> primary focus of the next rev of OS/2, but refused any other information.
> 
> When asked for the release date, both of them indicated "in the fall",
> when proded, they both said "Late August, Early September".  I'm assuming
> we will all hear something REAL in September some time.  As with all
> net.info, your milage may vary.
> 
> People whining about the lack of "June CSD" aren't living in the real
> world.  Net rumors aren't facts, if you want facts, call the source.
> 

Fact.  I had IBM in at work to do a demo on OS/2.  When asked about Windows
3.1 support and the 32-bit graphics engine, the IBM rep stated that they
are trying for June CSD.  Other people on the net have been given similar
answers and so the "June" CSD became a widely accepted date.

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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: C: Drive corrupted, what to do?
Date: 23 Aug 92 18:00:04 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <1992Aug22.211252.23408@donau.et.tudelft.nl> linstee@dutecaj.et.tudelft.nl (Erik van Linstee) writes:
>I just reinstalled OS/2 on my system and found the following
>concerning my C: drive. When I run a dir command in the root
>it stops halfway through complaining about extended attributes
>that weren't found. When I run chkdsk it gives me an endless
>list of errors about files trying to use nonexisting
>extended attributes etc. I tried reinstalling but no luck.
>Anybody know about this?

Please see the OS/2 Frequently Asked Questions List.  Run CHKDSK
against all your hard drive volumes per its instructions.

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From: jedwards@ms.uky.edu (Jonathan Edwards)
Subject: Re: OS/2 is playing striptease 
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:08:03 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller) writes:

>Having solved the problem of a blank screen (a new VSVGA
>driver was needed) I'm up against a new problem.  At this
>rate I may be running OS/2 by Christmas.  The new problem
>is this:

>When I click on one of the migrated DOS applications such
>as Word Perfect, the screen goes blank, a brief DOS command
>line flashes on for a moment and -- back to the OS/2 icons.
>Pretty as they are, I was hoping for something more.

>Any advice?

I've seen things like this happen if the DOS application fails
for some reason.  You might try opening the settings for the application
in question and tell it to run in a fullscreen session rather than in a
window.  The error message might hang around longer then...
From: matt.johnson@cutting.hou.tx.us (Matt Johnson) 
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: ALL TE/2 USERS!!!
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:02:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: matt.johnson@cutting.hou.tx.us (Matt Johnson) 

ST>> TE/2 is shareware(free to try out!).  The only thing that the registered
ST>> version has that the shareware version does not is a script language /
ST>> REXX port.  The Zmodem is fully implemented in the shareware version and
ST>> if you register it you will not get a version that works any differently.

ST>Sorry, Matt, but Zmodem crash recovery doesn't work on the shareware version,
ST>but does on the registered version. It says so right in the TE2.ini.

You are absolutely corrrect...but I think that if the Zmodem w/o crash
recovery works for him, then it will work fine with it.  My impression was
that the fellow just wanted to know if Brady's implementation would work
with his modem...I think the shareware version (sans crash recovery) should
do the trick...
---
 . SLMR 2.1a . matt.johnson@cutting.hou.tx.us
From: lowe@fallout.lonestar.org
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Install OS2 on VGA/mono system
Date: 2 Sep 92 07:21:30 GMT
Organization: DECUS DFWLUG BBS *Dallas*TX*

In article <1992Sep1.135234.2249@bnr.ca>, panton@bcarh685.bnr.ca (Kenneth Panton) writes:
> Do you know of anyone who successfully installed OS2 on a system
> with a VGA card and a VGA monochrome monitor? How was it done?
> I am seeing many dollar signs in my future!
> 
> -- 
> Ken Panton    | Bell-Northern Research | Opinions expressed 
> panton@bnr.ca | Ottawa, Canada         | are my own
> ESN 393-7961

It works just like it would with a color monitor... perfectly.  We have
a couple machines running with mono VGA monitors.

Mark C. "Bro!" Lowe - KB5III
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: installing OS2 2.0 on TI TM4000 laptop
Keywords: TI TM4000, Install, OS2 2.0, Problems Installing
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:44:42 GMT

In article <tony.714730098@helios.llnl.gov> tony@iti.org (Anthony Skjellum) writes:
>Hi, I am having problems installing on my TI TM4000, 486DX/25 with
>Phoenix BIOS.
>The problem occurs on the first installatino disk.  The error is
>that the file A:\COUNTRY.SYS cannot be found, or there is a
>path error associated with it.  

According to the IBM Tips and Techniques file, IBM suggests that you
remove any other devices sharing the floppy drive (do you have an
external drive hooked up, for example?).  Otherwise I would urge you
to contact IBM at 800-237-5511 (that's in the U.S.) to get in the
queue for support.

Factoid: Since much of IBM's OS/2 support is located in Boca Raton,
they've been slightly disrupted by the hurricane.  They should be back
to full strength now, though, so if you were waiting on a call back it
should come faster.

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From: ddurby@aludra.usc.edu (Dennis Durby)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: SCSI Controllers and HDDs?
Date: 28 Aug 1992 23:47:18 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
Keywords: SCSI-2

I am getting a new AMI EISA 33mHz motherboard this coming week, and the
vendor advised using the AMI 32-bit SCSI controller.  I had been planning 
to use an Adaptec 1742-B (or is it a 1740-B?).  The vendor said that the 
Adaptec was also a very good controller.  Advice?  Experiences?  I am now 
running primarily under OS/2, although may want to have some Windows 3.1 
stuff in a separate partition until OS/2 comes out with support for 3.1 
programs.  I need to get this info soon!  I expect to eventually add CDROM, 
etc.

Also, any suggetions for SCSI HDDs?  I don't want a Seagate, thank you, as my 
three previous Seagate drives were nightmares (including a destroyed Master's
thesis).  I'm looking for a fast, reliable drive in the 400-700 meg. or so
range.

Thanks for your advice!

-Dennis Durby-				|  From the City of 4,157 points of
durby@aludra.usc.edu			|  light . . . .  A veritable
The University of Southern California	| "Burning Bush"  (poor Barbara)
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From: ashwath@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ashwath Ram)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Where can I find the PFM2AFM program ?
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:39:44 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

I read in the os/2 2.0 FAQ that the PFM2AFM program is available
in BBS's I want to know in which one and in which directory.

Thanks in advance.
Ashwath Ram
ashwath@gn.ecn.purdue.edu

P.S. Any reason why a comm. program which ran perfectly under dos
should keep crashing under OS/2 2.0 and give the SYS3175 error message.
.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jbhuber@iastate.edu (Joseph B Huber)
Subject: Trouble with NCSA Telnet and floppy drives
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:51:36 GMT

I have a peculiar problem with NCSA Telnet, my 1.44Mb floppy drives and OS/2
2.0.

I start up NCSA Telnet in a full screen DOS session and let it run.  After
NCSA Telnet has been running for an hour or so, I cannot copy any files larger
than about 200Kb to either of my 1.44Mb floppy drives. OS/2 copies ~190Kb to
the drive and then responds with "SYS0049: Drive a: (or b:) not functioning".
If I switch to the DOS session and exit Telnet, the drives work flawlessly. I
can then start up Telnet again, and the drives will work for a while and then
the problem recurrs. When I get the SYS0049 error while trying to copy large
files, I am still able to copy large numbers of small files (ie. 100 4Kb
files) without any drive errors. I do not have any floppy errors when I
dual-boot to MS-DOS 4.01. This problem occurs whether I copy from OS/2 command
prompts, DOS command prompts, or use icons to copy files.

I have been working with IBM on this one, but we have not been able to solve
the problem.  We have tried switching to the IBMINT13 driver, but that did not
work. I was wondering if anyone else has run into such behavior.

My computer is a Zenith 386/20 6Mb memory, Zenith/DTC 6280z ESDI/floppy
controller, 76Mb and 150Mb hard drives, 15Mb free on the swapper file drive,
Sony 1.44MB floppy drives.

Thanks.

-- 
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(jbhuber@iastate.edu)        | Capt. James T. Kirk on the 2nd law of thermo: 
Dept. of Mech. Egr.          |  "It's not a hundred percent efficient,
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From: d9mikael@dtek.chalmers.se (Mikael Wahlgren)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS2 doesn't support Hercules? SYS 0355?? what is it?
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:42:33 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <1992Aug25.220646.28072@unlv.edu> slumos@unlv.edu (Steve Lumos) writes:
>>Before I started to bash OS/2, does OS/2 support Hercules? 

>NOPE! VGA or above. 

Well, actually it can be installed on bith CGA and EGA video cards.  I have
OS/2 2.0 GA running myself on a machine with a CGA video card only.  The
screen is absolutely a mess, and the driver buggy as h-ll, but it doesn't
matter as it is just functioning as a file and communications server.

Mikael Wahlgren      d9mikael@dtek.chalmers.se
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: hafting@Lise.Unit.NO (Helge Hafting)
Subject: Re: Boot manager trick. For those interested
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 11:21:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep02.191127.29812@donau.et.tudelft.nl>, linstee@dutecaj.et.tudelft.nl (Erik van Linstee) writes:
 > If you install the bootmanager to run OS/2 and some other OS, try
 > the following. Make a partition for boot OS's to fit in (like
 > 35Mb for OS2 and 2Mb for DOS) and make them both as primary. Now
 > if you installed both you can choose either one, but neither will
 > see the other. Of course you will need a third (now logical) partition
 > to keep your programs and data in, but the fun is that DOS can
 > never corrupt your OS2 system files and OS2 can't touch those of DOS.
 > You will always start up with your system on C: and your files on
 > D: while the other system is invisible.
 > Might come in handy for those who want a little extra security of either
 > system. In fact you can easily extend both partitions to contain the
 > files you don't want the other system to know about.
 > 
 > Erik
 > 
 > -- 
 > Erik van Linstee   |   linstee@duteca.et.tudelft.nl   |   I'll be back ... 

I prefer to install dos on a (small) C: partition using the FAT system,
and OS/2 on an extended D: partition using HPFS.
That way, dos cannot corrupt os/2 files, because dos cannot use HPFS.
But os/2, wich usually don't corrupt anything, can see the dos partition,
and even boot dos form c: in a window...
Boot manager is still used to choose os at boot.
This setup gives one partition less, so it is possible to install a
third os as well.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jld@datascope.com (Jay L. Davis)
Subject: Re: Northgates (and others) won't install OS/2 2.0!
Organization: Datascope Corp.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:38:57 GMT

In article <laird.714615414@stable.ecn.purdue.edu> laird@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) writes:
>Harsh reality hit last week when I tried to upgrade my depatrment's
>network from OS/2 1.3 and MS LAN Manager 2.0 to OS/2 2.0 and IBM
>LAN Server 2.0 (Advanced).
>
>The Northgate (Elegance 333 - 386DX-33) server won't access the A:
>drive during the second part of installation (after reboot, when
>it says "insert disk 6 in drive A:").  It didn't lock, didn't give
>an error message, just kept asking for the disk and beeping (and
>redisplaying the message) when I hit "OK".
>
>BTW, I tried it on another Northgate (386SX-20 Slimline) and got
>the same result.
>
>I used two different OS/2 copies and have successfully installed
>OS/2 2.0 on a Gateway 2000 486, Zenith 386 and Dell 386SX laptop. 
>
>After many calls to IBM (and a couple of days of waiting), I restored
>the network to its previous state.  Then I received a call from yet
>another IBM tech (by mistake - long story).  I decided to go ahead
>and tell him about my problem even though it was in queue for an
>engineer.
>
>Strangely enough, he said that it was common, they knew about it,
>and they didn't have a fix!  So here I was beating myself up for
>three days trying to solve a known problem that doesn't have a 
>solution!  (But no one I had talked to could find any record of
>any similar problem!)
>
>Just wanted everyone else to know about this.  Maybe it will save
>some head/heartache...
>

I installed OS/2 2.0 on my Elegance 333 with no problem (don't have LAN
Server though). Check you BIOS dates; if it is an older AMI BIOS, that
may be the problem. My BIOS was the first release that didn't have any
problems. Also, what other hardware is in your system (video, disk
controller, etc.) ?

---Jay Davis
From: haen@veces.stgt.sub.org (Herbert Neugebauer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: cc/c++/?
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 19:32:27 GMT
Organization: TRN Porting Labs

In article <Btts48.D3B@acsu.buffalo.edu> oistony@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthony M. Petro) writes:
>In article <x8gnhyj.genie@netcom.com>, genie@netcom.com (The Genie) writes...
>> 
>>Tell me if I'm wrong but a couple of days ago, I thought I saw
>>the encoded forms for a C compiler floating around in
>>the comp.os2.binaries r.g.n.  Usually, I was able to find the
>>compressed binaries of this group in hobbes.nmsu.edu under os2/new.
>>I haven't seen it yet.  Anyone know where I can ftp this?
>>Thanks.
>> 
>>Gene
>

Hello,

I also received parts of the gcc 2.2.2 via comp.binaries.os2,
but there are some parts missing (exactly parts 56-67 and 70).
I don't know where the problem is and if anybody else had it, 
but if there are more people with the same problem, then a
repost of the missing parts would be good, if it is only my
problem, then it would be nice if somebody could send me the
missing parts.

So long

   Herbert

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: C519818@mizzou1.missouri.edu
Subject: Re: OS/2 is playing striptease
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 11:34:46 CDT

In article <1992Aug27.132508.6789@starbase.trincoll.edu>
nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller) writes:
 
>
>Having solved the problem of a blank screen (a new VSVGA
>driver was needed) I'm up against a new problem.  At this
>rate I may be running OS/2 by Christmas.  The new problem
>is this:
>
>When I click on one of the migrated DOS applications such
>as Word Perfect, the screen goes blank, a brief DOS command
>line flashes on for a moment and -- back to the OS/2 icons.
>Pretty as they are, I was hoping for something more.
>
>Any advice?
>
>Norman Miller
>nmiller@vax1.trincoll.edu
 
Try changing the working directory of the DOS program.
-V
 
 
 
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: widow@camelot.bradley.edu (Shaun Burnett)
Subject: Problem with Trident 8900C and T640 driver
Summary: T640 doesn't work on my system
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:20:01 GMT



	I've been running the standard VGA driver and decided I needed
	more colors.  So I installed the 640x480x256 Trident drivers
	and rebooted the computer.

	After it gets through the config.sys, it just hangs with a
	cursor flashing in the upper left hand corner of the screen.

	Any ideas on how to get the drivers to work?

	IOPL is set to YES in the config.sys and I've run SVGA ON.


Shaun Burnett		    |	"You can't survive on a new planet with a
widow@camelot.bradley.edu   |	soul full of hope and fresh air you know."
OS/2--Happy Happy Joy Joy--OS/2		-  Dr. Who (Tom Baker)
From: graham@cs.utexas.edu (Ralph Arnold Graham)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Continuing Procomm Plus Dies Problem!
Date: 4 Sep 1992 04:26:41 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: lovelady.cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: procomm

I am still having the problem of Procomm Plus being dead in the water after
returning from background "execution" (as in hanging by the neck until dead!).
I have all the relevant DOS settings set properly (background_execution,
com_hold, hw_timer, idle_seconds, idle_sensitivity, etc.).  This is running
in DOS full-screen, but I did not migrate the program to OS/2.  It is running
from a FAT partition (I have boot manager installed).  It is only a 2400 baud
USR modem in a 386-20 with 8 MB.  Does nobody else have this problem?  (Well,
nobody else except my brother.)  My brother has the same problem with his
no-name modem running Procomm Plus from HPFS in a 386SX with 9 MB.  This is
Procomm Plus version 2.0.  He has a 16550AN UART in his modem, I still have the
original whatever UART (it is inaccessible).  I am running via OS/2 right
now, but if I switch it to the background, it dies.  Also, when that happens,
I have to hang up the line, *exit the application*, and then re-run it to
establish a new connection.  If I don't exit PCP, when I redial, it goes
through all the handshaking, but never flashes that it is actually connected
(although I have heard it connect).   HELP!!!!
ANY HELP IS SORELY NEEDED AND GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!!!

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: evanc@uuisis.isis.org (Evan Champion)
Subject: MMPM/2 and the upcoming CSD
Organization: International Shared Information Service (Ottawa)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 13:53:15 GMT

Will the MMPM/2 be a part of the upcoming CSD or will it be added in to
a future release (such as v2.1)?

Evan
From: stanton@haas.berkeley.edu (Richard Stanton)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: CURE! for no desktop on bootup syndrome
Date: 4 Sep 1992 05:22:39 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: haas.berkeley.edu

I've recently been consistently prey to the syndrome where on bootup I see
a grey screen, then it looks like a new grey screen gets put on top of the
old one, but then nothing further happens and I'm left looking at a blank
desktop, with a mouse cursor to amuse myself. This used to happen every so
often, but in the last few days it's happened EVERY time I reboot. The
only cure I had found was to wait (I don't know if C-esc made any difference)
until I got the message "Desktop not reponding to requests", when I could type
cancel, and the desktop would rebuild itself.

Well, I just cured the problem, so thought I'd share my solution, as I know
others have the same problem. Of course, it may not work for others...

Step 1) Make sure you have a floppy boot diskette and a little text editor
available on floppy

Step 2) Edit CONFIG.SYS, and REM out the AUTOSTART line

Step 3) Shut down and reboot

At this point, you'll just get a grey screen, but interestingly if you
press C-Esc you'll get an (empty) window list. However, you can't do
anything with it.

Step 4) Now reboot using C-A-D (this seems to be the only way) after
inserting boot diskette

Step 5) Remove the REM from the AUTOSTART statement in your CONFIG.SYS file
on drive C:, remove the diskette, and reboot.

This worked for me. Let me know if it helps anyone else

Richard Stanton
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Hangs with ADAPTEC 1542B
Keywords: Adaptec 1542B, DMA, hangs
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:22:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.143432.28131@fzi.de> fzi.de writes:
>Sometimes my system hangs without a Trap message (mouse stays "alive").
>Somewhere I heard that the Adaptec 1542B has problems concerning the DMA.
>Is that true, and if so, how can I avoid the problem?

Adaptec has patched drivers -- try using the ahabeta.zoo drivers,
available via anonymous ftp from ftp-os2.nmsu.edu.

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