HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nnelson@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Nicholas P Nelson)
Subject: Serious Questions
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 07:28:33 GMT


     It looks like you guys could use some relatively serious questions.  Most
of the recent postings have dealth with the antics of JW.
     My question is: What is the best evidence supporting UFOs and alien
visitors?  It is very tough to debate UFOs in a scientific manner.  A lot of
people consider the UFO debate trivial because there is not a single iota of
hard evidence.  The fact that there are a lot of people out there making absurd
and unfounded assertations about UFOs and aliens does not help the cause.  I
maintain that the idea of UFOs can not be immediately dismissed, however, the
lack of hard evidence must be explained.
     Is there a consensus that there is a lack of hard evidence?  If there is
not a consensus then where or what is the hard evidence?  If there is a
consensus, then what in your opinion is the best circumstantial evidence for
the existence of UFOs and alien visitors?
     Personally, I am not convinced that there are aliens roaming the earth to
kidnap people from their homes.  I am not even convinced that alien spacecraft
have visited the earth. I can guarantee that I have an open mind on the
subject.  I would rather see a serious discussion in alt.alien.visitors than
the ramblings of JW and the follow ups to his posts.

Happy New Year,
Nick Nelson
From: joseph.daniels@homebase.com (Joseph Daniels) 
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop circles- a scientific approach
Date: 20 Dec 92 12:13:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Home Base BBS - St. Thomas, Ontario - 519-633-7253
Reply-To: joseph.daniels@homebase.com (Joseph Daniels) 

To: mcsdc1al@dct.ac.uk
From: joseph.daniels@homebase.com

  |>      If what you claim is true. The British have a huge reward posted
  |>      for anyone that can produce crop circles. To date no one has been
  |>      able to duplicate them and collect the reward.

MC|There's NO reward.  We used to make circles all the time and no-one gave us
  |all.  The KLF used to make crop circles and no-one gave them anything.  I th
  |crop circles can be writtenn off as a fake.
  `-------------------------------------------------------------------------

  Yes, there is a large reward. Vallee makes reference to it in his
  recent book "Revelations". Either you cannot produce a 'real' crop
  circle or you are missing-out on a large reward. I'd suggest that it
  would be worth your while (financially) to investigate a little
  further before making such 'un-researched' claims.

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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: scottb@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com (TheLrdLovsAHngn)
Subject: Re: Moderated Newsgroup
Organization: United Technologies Research Center
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 16:56:22 GMT

Yes, it would be difficult to moderate this group (as pointed out in prev
msg.).  But, for those of us who dont have kill file capabilities, it would
be great.  Unless it is a post that has some kind of merit, dont let it be
posted.  JW is great for posting 3/4 lines posts of pure utter Bullshit.
Stuff like this should not be allowed - and moderating is one way (only?) 
way of doing it.
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Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:9495 alt.conspiracy:13572 sci.skeptic:21867
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: FILE: HUFON report on Underground Base in Calif
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 07:46:51 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Friends: I have read your comments pro and con and will defend
your right to the death to say them.
John Winston.
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: John Boy
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 06:52:41 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Serious Ones: I can not and will not explain my actions. Maybe there
is no explanation. A person gotta do what a person's gotta do.
John Winston.
Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:9428 alt.conspiracy:13432 sci.skeptic:21712
From: john@newave.newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: FILE: HUFON report on Underground Base in Calif
Date: 27 Dec 92 03:13:56 GMT
Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors
Organization: Newave Communications, Ltd, Lake Wobegon, MN

In <15231.2b3bb93c@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state:
> In <72389@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com:
> > Dear Folks: I wouldn't recommend that you all go to sleep too soundly yet.

> This idiot's replies have all the ingenuity of a C- AI class project.

> Just today this idiot has posted over 15 2 or 3 line posts of meaningless
> drivel.

At least he keeps his useless drivel postings short--unlike most of the
flames that Winston receives.  I like reading about the UFO conspiracy
theories--and I hope that someone someday discovers the grand unified
UFO conspiracy that ties all of the various stories togather.

-john-

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From: Jim.Atwell@f851.n800.z3.fidonet.org (Jim Atwell)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Debunkeritis:  A Partial
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 02:05:00

In a message to All <26 Dec 92 06:21> Michael Corbin wrote:

 MC> From:
 MC> Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
 MC> Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0
 MC> - <ParaNet(sm) , Arvada CO

 MC> THE VARIETIES OF DEBUNKERITIS:  A PARTIAL LIST

 MC> Compiled by Jerome Clark, December 1992.

 MC> Reprinted with permission on ParaNet Information Services

 MC> DEBUNKERITIS:   The  inability  of 

Well done Mike!  I liked it.
Let's see more posts from ParaNet, they might just out-weigh the 
copious volumes of Bull_-_Sh*t we have to put up with on a.a.v.

Regards,
          Jim Atwell          |  UFO Research (SA) Inc.
                              |  PO Box 281
          Fidonet             |  Blair Athol SA 5084
          3:800/851           |  Australia



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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: i have a question
Date: Fri,  1 Jan 93 09:29:24 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: alt

Dear Question Asker: I believe you will find that Don Showen is the 
expert when it comes to the Pleiadian space people who are visiting
our planet. Most of the information about them comes from the work of
a oned man over in Europe who has collected a lot of information
from and about them. They are from the star system called the Pleiades
or Seven Sisters spoken of in Greek Mythology and American Indian 
lore. The Cherokee Indian People claim to have come from there. The 
Blonds or Nords are blond headed space people who look a lot like us.
Many are from the Pleiades and some are from Venus. They use the word
Nord because they look like Nordic (Swedish) earth people.  EBE stands
for extraterrestrial Biological Entity and it is a name that our
scientist call people from other planets. Most of the time it refers
to space people who we have picked up either alive or dead.
I hope this will be of some help to you.
John Winston.
From: locatech@tron.gun.de (Joerg Loehn)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Rap Music Singing Aliens.
Organization: TRON Public Mailbox, Neuss, Germany
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 17:16:00 +0100

To: john_-_winston@cup.portal.com

\JOHN_-_\WINSTON%CUP.PORTAL.COM@USENET schrieb am 30.12.92 um 21:58:

\P> From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
\P> Subject: Rap Music Singing Aliens.
\P> References:  <67397@cup.portal.com>
\P> Message-ID: <72638@cup.portal.com>
\P> Organization: The Portal System (TM)
\P> 
\P> Subject: The Greys, Friend or Foe?
\P> rationale behind their actions, a general description of the Greys and their 
\P> features should be made:
\P> These extraterrestrials are called the Greys because of how they look. A 
\P> typical Grey alien is about 3-4 feet tall, has whiteish-grey skin and no 
\P> hair, a large head with small facial features, and large black lidless eyes. 
\P>  They come from a place fnown as Zeta Reticulum, and are part of a larger 
\P> Confederation of Planets known as the "Network".  They are actually quite 
\P> small and frail, although can move swiftly, in motions that would appear to 
\P> us jerky.  Just as there are different races of humans on Earth, so are 
\P> there a few different types of Greys: For instance some have more brownish 
\P> skin or other varying features, and not all reside in that particular solar 
\P> system. Although the Greys have only been actively doing abductions and 
\P> other work for the past few decades (similar to the over 100 races that have 
\P> taken up observation since 1945) they have actually been  in contact with 
\P> Earth for the last several centuries, their influence going back almost as 
\P> long as that of the Pleiadians.

Here in Germany there was a movie called 'Intruders' (Science Fiction). In
this movie they showed creatures that looked exactly like them which you
described. Those aliens in the movie crossed aliens with humans.
Could that have something to do with 'operation awareness'? (You reported on)


All the best...
                   Joerg

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From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Pest Control. Ever hear of this idiot?
Date: 28 Dec 92 15:48:23 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

I got an interesting flame from an anonymous user 'Pest_Control'. This
person told me to shutup complaining about JW or 'face the consequences'
or something like that.

This was followed by a 40Kb repeat of my posting. Apparently this person
has a limit to the size of messages that they can send (my mail can
handle megabytes). I promptly deleted the message, and my reply to the
person bounced.

Strange, the tone of the posters voice sounded alot like JW. Perhaps
Pest_Control will send me another message so I can trace its origin?

-Garrett



Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: buffalo@wam.umd.edu (Duncan D. Sterling)
Subject: Serious Processing and Handling of AAV Info
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:14:52 GMT

A question for all the serious posters on AAV-- is there an information
"clearinghouse" for all the stuff I've seen posted here?

If not, it seems to me that everyone here (as well as others elsewhere)
who are strongly interested in this topic might benefit from such a 
set up.

A serious, practical, and scientific approach in gathering, condensing, and
archiving materials of interest could only help further serious research
(IMHO)

Questions, opinion, comments, proposals and flames welcomed and encouraged.

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College Park, Md.         "2 strokes are quicker than 4" - anonymous
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Are they on alt.alien.visitors ??
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 09:08:01 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Pierre: You've got my attention please tell us more.
John Winston.
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: ***VCR ALERT***
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 08:30:43 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Folks: Yes I saw the Sightings you mentioned. It was pretty 
cotton-pickin good. 
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: s1mbm@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: Everyone Listen-up!
Reply-To: s1mbm@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 12:55:40 GMT

In article <9235711.6333@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, curmi@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Jamie Paul CURMI) writes:
>Hi Guys!
>
>Not long ago I said goodbye to this group, and quite a few people mailed me
>to convince me to return.  Well, I'm back (for those who are interested)...
>and I've got a few things I want to make perfectly clear!
>
>With regards to JW and friends....  He is the cause of so many people
>wanting to leave this group.  There are two possible reasons for this:
>
>1) He is being paid to destroy this group, and make as many of us leave as
>   possible
>2) He is a giant DICK-WAD!
>
>I personally believe it is number 2.
>
>WHAT WE SHOULD DO is to *totally* ignore him and his friends.  Don't even
>respond or read his articles, or anything related to him (apart from this
>article! ;-)  He is really destroying this group, and destroying the really
>good articles that are floating around here.
>
>JW if you are reading, please stop posting all your unrelated crap to this
>group.  If it doesn't involve Aliens or UFO's, you shouldn't even be posting
>here!  Get a life and stop ruining serious research with your total and utter
>bull shit.
>
>I'm glad I got that out of my system....not that JW would listen!  It's a
>free world.  We even let the mentally deficient have a say! ;-)
>
>Special thanks to Len Bucuvalas....much appreciated, my friend.
>
>Let's see some serious posts again!
>
>Jamie
>(apologies for the obscenities...but I am pretty pissed off!)
>
>-- 
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------            Jamie P. Curmi  (curmi@cs.mu.oz.au, curmi@maths.mu.oz.au)                      Department of Computer Science,   Department of Mathematics
>         The University of Melbourne, Parkville, Victoria, Australia            ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                    *** Mutate NOW - avoid the rush! ***



It strikes me as more than a little ironic that folks would get off this
particular list because of an alien presence among you (JW).

A skeptic, but usually not a smartass,
michael mcdonald
From: zik@zikzak.apana.org.au (Michael_-_Saleeba)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: John Winston revealed
Date: 24 Dec 1992 00:52:42 +1100
Organization: Zikzak public access UNIX, Melbourne Australia
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zikzak.apana.org.au

Dear Folks: If I have time later I'll post about John Winston.
Michael Saleeba.
From: libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Moderated Group/John Winston
Date: 30 Dec 92 15:54:43 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

U37460@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
: Well, I just had a thought after reading several posts against a
: moderated newsgroup: Maybe John Winston is doing his crap to steer this
: group towards it being moderated.  How's that for a conspiracy?
: I guess the solution that might work best without using a moderator is just
: to ignore John Winstons.  This means everybody has to MODERATE themselves and
: restrain from flaming John Winston and those like him.
: Ethan Haslett
: u37460@uicvm.uic.edu

Winston's articles take up a lot less bandwidth than the endless
diatribes calling for his death by painful torture, etc.  I 
happen to think he's funny, but if he annoys everybody, why not 
just ignore him, in the hope that he'll get bored and move on?

Bill
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: This Winston Fellow
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 09:23:47 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Folks: It is good to hear these comments. They help.
This Winston Fellow.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jbm@hal.trl.OZ.AU (Jacques Guy)
Subject: Yankee (previously Sarfatti Forteana)
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 00:19:17 GMT

Eric Partridge, in his hefty and classic
"Dictionary of Slang", dates the first usage
of Yankee to around 1780. There are, he says
many theories about the origin of the word.
He thinks the two most credible are an
American Indian mispronunciation of the 
word "English", and the Dutch name "Janke"
(lit.: "little John"), which was used as
derogatory term at that time, a bit like
"pommie" is in Australia of English migrants
(from "pomegranate", well documented in the
Australian press and literature of the turn of
the century). 

This said, a bit of alien visitors to justify 
this posting.

Having looked closely at the photographs of 
the Face on Mars in the last issue of Fortean Times,
I am not so much impressed by the Face as by
the two regular pentagonal mountains not far
from it. What sort of geological phenomena 
yields regular pentagons? If I were Charles
Fort, I'd like to hypothesize that they are
... wait for it... fossils of *gigantic*
sand dollars. Why, with gravity one third of
the earth, and seas covering the area, you'd
expect sea urchins to be able to grow pretty
big, wouldn't you? What was that Jack Sarfatti
said about the Pentagon on this Earth having
been built in the shape of a Martian sand dollar?
From: JimN8@applelink.apple.com (Jim Nitchals)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Rap Music Singing Aliens.
Date: 31 Dec 92 19:17:16 GMT
Followup-To: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <72638@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com wrote in
part:
> These extraterrestrials are called the Greys because of how they look. A 
> typical Grey alien is about 3-4 feet tall, has whiteish-grey skin and no 
> hair, a large head with small facial features, and large black lidless eyes. 

John, could you answer a few questions for me?

#1... How intelligent are these beings?  On an IQ test, for example, would
they
score 100? 200?  Off the scale?

#2... Are they edible?  If one were to capture one of the elusive
creatures,
would one be able to eat the Grey to avoid starvation?

#3... (this goes back to question #2) are they carbon-based lifeforms?  Do
they encode their genetic information in a compatible way?  (DNA/RNA)


Jim Nitchals
-- The opinions expressed here are my own, and do not necessarily reflect 
those of my employer.

"If money can't buy happiness, I guess I'll have to rent it!" - Weird Al
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: January 3, 1993
Date: Fri,  1 Jan 93 10:02:29 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec31.160456.15458@odin.corp.sgi.com>

Dear Folks: You must remember the Astral Train is in for repair till
Jan. 5, 1992. Until that time we cannot help you.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Brett McInnes)
Subject: Re: John Winston revealed
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 01:54:01 GMT

kibo@world.std.com (James Kibo Parry) writes:
: 
: I don't have a dog... not since Spot fell on his pocket time machine
: (ouch) and it went off and sent him back to the days when the Earth was
: in liquid form.  Bald Spot!                                            
:
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: QUESTION: This Group
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 08:43:39 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Folks: Serious folks who tell the truth don't last long.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: greg@katie (Greg Wells)
Subject: Re: Moderated Newsgroup
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:03:52 GMT

Chuck Stringer (cstringe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:
: And who'll moderate it? Someone completely impartial? Yeah,  right. In
: a  news  group  that  discusses  something  thats  very  existence  is
: questionable, a moderator would have too much influence  over the free
: exchange of ideas. Who is to say what is fiction and what is fact when
: the  entire  discussion  is  based on conjecture?  Sure  most  of John
: Winston's  articles are ridiculous,  they're still more interesting to
: read than pointless arguing about trivial issues.
: 
: ----
: Chuck Stringer
: E-mail cstringe@ucs.indiana.edu

Fine. You can continue to read Winston's postings in this group.  The
current group is inadequate for many of us.  The current group clearly has 
more than one discussion, we need to the sort the discussions in interest of 
clarity.

Your fear of censorship deserves consideration.  We can start a new discussion 
with rules for posting agreed upon by people on all sides of the debate 
who have a common interest in a method based on scientific inquiry.

I believe your statement "the entire discussion is based on conjecture" is
false.  People see flying objects we cannot identify; that is an imperical 
fact.  If we assume only conjecture can come from imperical fact, then we 
must toss out the entire history of science.

There are answers.  I want them.

Greg Wells
greg@west.msi.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.paranormal
From: starlog@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (anthony star)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ozzie UFOs
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 08:22:17 CST
Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada

Jim.Atwell@f851.n800.z3.fidonet.org (Jim Atwell) writes:

> Are any readers of this group interested in regular postings of 
> up-to-date Australian UFO reports?
> 
> If so, post a reply. If there's a reasonable response I'll 
> organize some regular postings.
> 
> Regards,
>           Jim Atwell          |  UFO Research (SA) Inc.
>                               |  PO Box 281
>           Fidonet             |  Blair Athol SA 5084
>           3:800/851           |  Australia
> 
> 
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Interested 

                  /s
From: cc203@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David R. Stepien)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: ParaNet Press Release
Date: 31 Dec 1992 16:43:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Reply-To: cc203@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David R. Stepien)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


>The ParaNet UFO CONTINUUM is heard each Sunday evening at 9:00 
>PM Mountain Time, 11:00 PM Eastern, via satellite Galaxy Six, 
>Channel 17, Audio Channel 7.5 MHz.

What kind of equipment is needed to receive this?

David
From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: This Winston Fellow
Date: 24 Dec 92 03:13:06 GMT
Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

I find it sad when I log onto usenet and waste valuable time to look at a
newsgroup, only to see that some goober intent of muddling the waters is
the only author of new articles.  

I thought intelligent people could be relied on to act more responsibly. 
But I suppose not.

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