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From: sdevries@fys.ruu.nl (Sjoerd de Vries)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: Ruby's alibi around the time of the assassination
Date: 28 Aug 92 08:58:04 GMT
Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht,  The Netherlands

In <1992Aug27.224512.11141@rchland.ibm.com> jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes:

[...]
>     Could Ruby have walked outside, gotten into the truck driven by the 
>man Mrs. Mercer saw Ruby dropping off, and gotten back in 25 minutes?
>Maybe this was his way of providing himself an alibi.  Does anyone know
>the distance from the DMN to the back of the knoll?  This would still be
>somewhat of a problem since traffic should have been very heavy?  Possibly
>a non-direct route was taken to avoid the Dealey Plaza traffic.  

>     Addressing the problem with the time of Kennedy's arrival.  Is it 
>possible that the conspirator's delayed the motorcade intentionally?
>This could be done quite easily.  Why was the motorcade late?  If they
>knew that the motorcade was going to be 10 minutes late, then the hit teams
>would all establish alibi's at or around 12:20pm, so if caught, they could
>use the excuse "if I was really one of the shooters, why was I here at 12:20?"

	The motorcade was about 5 minutes back on schedule. This was
	mainly due because the president's limousine stopped a few times
	to shake hands (not the limousine... the president I mean).
	I think that this was always the prez's initiative. But I agree
	with you that the driver could have catched up; he was really
	driving slowly... too slow according to Prouty.

>     This, by the way, would not clear Oswald.  But it would indicate a
>large-scale involvement by the government.  The driver of the limo could
>easily have done this.  Remember, he kept his foot on the brakes while 
>the shooting was going on.  Giving Mediocre Oswald an even easier shot(not
>that he did the shooting alone)?
>   

>Jared "Flame me, I'm a newbie here" Dahl
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From: indiana@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: Ruby's alibi around the time of the assassination
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:12:40 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Don't forget about the policeman who was driving his daughter toward Dealey Plaz
just after the killing had occurred. Didn't he see "Ruby" come down from the 
western side of the overpass, chuck something into the back of a vehicle, and
then drive off ? Policeman drove after him,but decided it wasn't worth getting
his daughter killed and stopped pursuit.
   (Sorry not to recall the policeman's name, but he was the one who said he
"wasn't a white hat" at Dallas Police HQ, and so was ignored there.)
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From: jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl)
Subject: Oswald as trigger-man??(THEORY)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:03:58 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester


     Something just occurred to me as I was posting something else
here.  If Oswald was acting as part of the conspiracy, and shot at
Kennedy hitting him in the shoulder, why would he then hide the rifle
in the book depository?  He would have known that he would be implicated
because of his "communist activities" and the fact that he was on the
scene.  

     It is possible that Oswald didn't know about the Mannlicher-
Carcanno(sp?) that was planted sometime before he went to the sixth floor
to take his shots at Kennedy with a MAUSER.  This would explain the
proliferation of rifles at the scene, and why the photograph was possibly
faked.  The rifle Oswald actually used "disappeared" after the Dallas PD
got their hands on it.

     Oswald had no idea he was being set up, and it's possible that
he was proceeding to the movie theatre to meet his contact to get
"out of the country!"  Or maybe he knew that he was going to be the
fall guy, but that he would be taken out of the country before the
authorities could get him.  But his fellow conspirators had other
plans for him.

     This is theory at best, and I have used much "unproven" evidence
to support it (ie... many rifles in TSBD, faked photos ).  Poke some 
holes in it.  Shed the light of logic upon it.  Theory first, emprical
evidence second, truth last.

Jared "I can't get mail, so don't bother" Dahl
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From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: Quantum Leap (NBC) Sam leaps to Oswald
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:30:07 GMT

nanderso@endor.sim.es.com (Norman Anderson) writes:

>For those interested in Quantum Leap on NBC this fall, watch for the
>season opener in a few weeks. (Date unknown). At the end of last season,
>Sam Becket "leaps" into Lee Harvey Oswald's "body" just before his photo
>was taken that morning in front of his house. (Who took that photo anyway,
>mother, wife,...) I have no idea where the story line is heading, or who
>is the technical advisor(s) are for this episode. Some of you may be 
>interested enough in the subject to click it on....I know I am. =)

I heard that Bellisaurio[sp] the producer is going to stick to
the Warren Report. 

Thats very fitting. A fictional TV show based on a work of fiction.


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From: jph@hardy.u.washington.edu (Jeff Hanson)
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Subject: New Movie
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:33:36 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


	Have you heard about the latest JFK assasination movie?  It's called
"The Man Who Injected Cancer into the Man Who Shot the Man Who Shot JFK."
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From: pgiltner@epas.utoronto.ca (Philip W. Giltner Jr.)
Subject: the real answer
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:17:12 GMT

Consider: 22 November was Charles de Gaulle's birthday. A coincidence?
I think not!



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From: dave@dsteele.almaden.ibm.com
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Subject: "Libra"
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:23:22 GMT
Reply-To: dsteele@almaden.ibm.com ()


   I highly recommend  the novel "Libra" by Delillo.
 
   It is an extremely well written fictional account of 
   the JFK assassination but the author has obviously 
   done a lot of research as many of you readers have 
   been doing. I think the book could be of interest 
   to both camps as there is some ambiguity as to how 
   how effective the conspiracy elements are. 
    
  
             Dave dsteele@almaden.ibm.com 


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From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: Ruby's alibi around the time of the assassination
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:32:18 GMT

ajs9462@zeus.tamu.edu (SIMON, ANTHONY JOE) writes:

>In article <schuck.714941312@sfu.ca>, Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes...



>> 
>>There were witnesses who saw Oswald other than on 6th floor before and
>>after the assassination.

>There is only one witness that you provided and she was uncertain of the time.

She was *very* certain of the time. 12:15.

>> 
>>There were witnesses who saw Ruby in the Dallas Morning News before and
>>after the assassination.
>> 
>>There were *no* witness who saw Oswald on the 6th floor
>>during the assassination.

>This does NOT prove that Oswald wasn't on the 6th floor. If every criminal
>had to be seen at the place of the crime, then our prisons would have alot
>less people in them.

>> 
>>However, there *were* witnesses who saw Ruby in Dealey Plaza when he
>>was supposed to be at the Dallas Morning News.
>>

>Who? How many? Did they know Ruby so that they could identify him? 

If you read the Warren Commission Hearings you could get their names.

The Police Officer who ran to the top of the grassy knoll said the man
who had Fake SS id looked like Ruby.

Victoria Adams, a TSBD employee, said Ruby was outside the TSBD immediately
after the assassination questioning some of the witnesses.

From Warren Commission Hearings Vol. 6 pp 386-393:

Miss Adams: There was a man that was standing on the corner of Houston
            and Elm asking questions there. He was dressed in a suit and a hat,
            and when I encountered Avery Davis going down, we asked who he was,
            because he was questioning people as if he was a police
            officer....and this man was asking questions very
            effaciously  and we said, "I guess
            he may be a reporter," and later on on television, 
            there was a man that looked very similar to him, 
            and he was identified as Ruby.




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From: john@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Subject: Re: Quantum Leap (NBC) Sam leaps to Oswald
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 22:57:46 GMT
Reply-To: johniac@hwperform.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstation Division, Austin, TX

In article <oFJ9PB2w164w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca>, marco@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Marco) writes:
|> jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes:
|> 
|> > |> I heard that Bellisaurio[sp] the producer is going to stick to
|> > |> the Warren Report. 
|> 
|> I heard the same. I also heard that Bellisaurio KNEW Oswald. (This I read 
|> on GEnie in the ShowBiz RT...)

Bellisario was in the Marines, and remembers running into a nutcase
spouting off communist propoganda sometime in the late fifties.  He
didn't know the man's name until after JFK was assassinated, and he
recognized Oswald as being that guy.  The QL episode is indeed going
to stick to the WR (Bellisario is a staunch supporter of it), and JFK
will not be saved.  Sam will be so swallowed up by Oswald's assassin
persona that he will be unable to stop himself. 

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From: royc@tcsrtp.uucp (Roy Andrew Crabtree)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: Teen Agent, Can you Hear Me? Teen Agent, Can You See Me? (was: Clay Shaw is Clay Bertrand, Oswald *was* a Teen Agent
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:00:58 GMT
Organization: Triangle Computer Society

In article <28AUG199215043993@rigel.tamu.edu> mst4298@rigel.tamu.edu (Mitchell S Todd) writes:
> ....
>	How many Marine's medical records have you inspected, Bruce?

	Oh, god, TaolHook, and now you suggest that the average Marine
	commonly gets VD "in the line of duty" ...

	The Pentagon CHiefs of Staff will ove this!

	A real balanced argument there ...

	Are you for real?
>
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	And your wings are unbalanced, too.  You probably fly like
	your reason, like your wings look:  shorttucked, onside, and
	spiralling!

royc
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From: jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl)
Subject: Re: Quantum Leap (NBC) Sam leaps to Oswald
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:21:52 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <schuck.714868207@sfu.ca>, schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck) writes:
|> nanderso@endor.sim.es.com (Norman Anderson) writes:
|> 
|> >For those interested in Quantum Leap on NBC this fall, watch for the
|> >season opener in a few weeks. (Date unknown). At the end of last season,
|> >Sam Becket "leaps" into Lee Harvey Oswald's "body" just before his photo
|> >was taken that morning in front of his house. (Who took that photo anyway,
|> >mother, wife,...) I have no idea where the story line is heading, or who
|> >is the technical advisor(s) are for this episode. Some of you may be 
|> >interested enough in the subject to click it on....I know I am. =)
|> 
|> I heard that Bellisaurio[sp] the producer is going to stick to
|> the Warren Report. 
|> 
|> Thats very fitting. A fictional TV show based on a work of fiction.
|> 
|> 

     The adds that I saw seemed to indicate that they may be leaning
towards a pro-conspiracy view-point.  I think that it will be a cop-out
though, with Sam "leaping" out before anything incriminating happens.
I just don't think that NBC has the guts to go head on with this topic.


jared Dahl
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From: mst4298@rigel.tamu.edu (Mitchell S Todd)
Subject: Re: Teen Agent, Can you Hear Me? Teen Agent, Can You See Me? (was: Clay Shaw is Clay Bertrand, Oswald *was* a Teen Agent
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Applied Upyerstemmatey Corp
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:42:00 GMT

In article <schuck.715193508@sfu.ca>, Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes...

>Bruce Schuck (me) >> & >>>>

>>>>>Sure Mitchell. It happens all the time. The medical records of the
>>>>>Marine Corps are littered with Marines who caught VD 'in the line of
>>>>>duty'. [Really heavy sarcasm]

>I'm still waiting for some proof that 'regular' Marines are allowed to
>claim they 'caught VD in the line of duty'.

	The burden of proof is still on you, matey. You are the person
	who claims that the "VD in the line of duty" would be a tag
	unique to some sort of intelligence agent. Just saying "well,
	this says that Oswald caught VD in the line of duty [and does
	anyone exactly what Oswald had? Gonnonrhea?], so he must have
	been a secret agent" doesn't cut it.
		

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From: kruger@plains.NoDak.edu (Donovan Kruger)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: Quantum Leap (NBC) Sam leaps to Oswald
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:51:26 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

This reminds me of a show I saw in which someone went back in time as
one of JFK's advisors and friends.  I think it was an Amazing Stories
episode or such.  Anyway, he had the oppurtunity to save JFK and then
couldn't because he saw what would happen in the future if JFK stayed
alive in the cold war.  Since JFK was this man's idol, he thought the only
was to save JFK was to become him himself.  At the end of the episode
during the shooting, The man's body, not JFK's, was on the ambulance.  

I'm not exactly sure if I got all that right.  Does anyone else remember
seeing this?  
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From: grimm@eecae.ee.msu.edu (Jerry Michael Grimm)
Subject: Re: Quantum Leap (NBC) Sam leaps to Oswald
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 06:26:46 GMT

jamesp@agora.rain.com (James Price) writes:

>>
>>For those interested in Quantum Leap on NBC this fall, watch for the
>>season opener in a few weeks. (Date unknown). At the end of last season,
>>Sam Becket "leaps" into Lee Harvey Oswald's "body" just before his photo
>>was taken that morning in front of his house. (Who took that photo anyway,
>>mother, wife,...) I have no idea where the story line is heading, or who
>>is the technical advisor(s) are for this episode. Some of you may be 
>>interested enough in the subject to click it on....I know I am. =)
>>

>  think of the possibilities!

>    Sam could save Kennedy! And he could save Oswald, both of them.
>Maybe even save Officer J. D. Tippit too, and Jackie's dress.
>what are the scenarios?

>   1) He can keep Kennedy from Being Murdered
>       a) as Oswald he fails to take any action to murder Kennedy
>       b) as Oswald he prevents some person(s) from murdering Kennedy

>   2) He cannot keep Kennedy from Being Murdered:
>       a) as Oswald he murders Kennedy
>       b) as Oswald he fails to stop some person(s) from murdering Kennedy

>    its troubling to consider that the show could let Kennedy live.
>It would have a hollow ring to it, if you ask me. But what a thought,
>the world that _could_ have been had not the shining knight been murdered,
>and trappings. No military-industrial porkbarrel (no 50K + 2M deaths in Nam),
>no Second Civil War, no Nixon, no LBJ, no Hoover, no '63 Overthrow!

>James
>Net: jamesp@agora.rain.com        "Justice is incidental to law and order."

Having read interviews with Don Bellasario, the show's exec. producer, it
will be that Sam cannot stop the assassination.

A curious note is that Bellesario and Oswald served in the same Marine unit
back in the '50s.  Bellesario has stated that the LHO he knew would've 
shot Kennedy or any other American president if possible.

So, watch QL.  I certainly will.  


Mike Grimm

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From: saltzman@crd.ge.com (Bob Saltzman)
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Subject: Re: where to get _Six seconds in Dallas_
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:04:57 GMT
Reply-To: saltzman@crd.ge.com
Organization: GE Corporate Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

In article <1992Aug21.083918.3919@fys.ruu.nl>, sdevries@fys.ruu.nl (Sjoerd de Vries) writes:
>I just received notice from my local bookstore that they can't get a
>copy of Thompson's _Six seconds in Dallas_. Is this book, which is cited
>so often, really unavailable or is it my bookstore that did a lousy job?
>If it is still available somewhere I would very much like to have 
>information on that.
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"Six Seconds in Dallas" by Professor Josiah Thompson is extremely
hard to come by.  It was first published in the lates 60's in hard
cover by Bernard Geis in New York City.  It was published again in
paperback (one of the major publushers) in the mid 70's.  Since then
there have been no new printings.  All interested persons should
keep an eye out for this invaluable resource in used book stores
and private collections.  It is extremely well illustrated and is
a classic in the sense of being well organized, with complete
references to evidence.  It is of equal caliber with Sylvia
Meagher's "Accessories After the Fact", another classic that
belongs on the bookshelf of serious researchers.

Bob Saltzman,
Committee to Investigate Assassinations
Schenectady, NY, USA
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From: jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl)
Subject: Re: Quantum Leap (NBC) Sam leaps to Oswald
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 21:35:39 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <1992Sep3.183223.29228@reed.edu>, kuch@reed.edu (Jerry Kuch) writes:
|> 
|> This was an episode of the new Twilight zone that aired in either the fall
|> of 1985 or the spring of 1986, if you're referring to the same show that I'm
|> thinking of.  I can't really remember how the set-up was for necessitating
|> Kennedy's death... I have a vague recollection that if JFK was saved, 
|> Khruschev would be assassinated, thus leading to World War III in some
|> vaguely unspecified, but nonetheless horrible manner.  Thus, at the moment
|> of truth this guy and JFK switch places, and the story ends with JFK 
|> lecturing to the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard in 2239
|> or something...

The man from the future was a college professor and descendant of Kennedy's 
that went back in time to FILM the shooting and solve the controversy.  He 
focuses his "future camcorder" on the TSBD (hahaha) to catch Oswald in the 
act.  Just before Kennedy is killed, he yells and causes a commotion, and
Kennedy is saved.  At the end, Kennedy dissapears from the car and this guy
reappears in his place taking the bullets himself.  The Secret Service is
sworn to secrecy by a colleague from the future, hence the government
cover-up.

Sounds like the Warren Commission is into writing TV plots also.

Jared Dahl
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