HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Crime and drug legalization
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:55:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.193833.17396@infonode.ingr.com>, fisherm@infonode.ingr.com (Matthew Fisher) writes:
>    He claims that crime will not decrease but will simply shift
>in focus.  Crime would shift from drugs to gambling, prostitution or some
>new field.  

There isn't much difference between drugs and other "vices".  Civil
libertarianism dictates they should *all* be legal.  (Oh my God!  Legalized
gambling??  The state lotteries will go under!)

>He claims that the people who are in the drug trade are criminals
>to the bone and will seek a new field if the drug trade become unprofitable. 
>As an example, an under educated, poor, hopeless drug dealer or user from
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
On the contrary -- drug dealers are the aggressive go-getters of the inner
city.  They are the ones with money.  They will probably get into real
estate or Amway or something.

>south central L. A. is not suddenly going take up compter science because drugs 
>are legal. He will instead find a new black market to make money in. 

Some may switch to real black markets -- like stolen property fencing.  But
with ordinary otherwise-law-abiding drug users removed from their network,
they will be less successful at it.

>What is the Libertarian answer to long term crime in the inner cities?

Victimless crimes like drugs, gambling, and prostitution should be legalized
and brought into the open for intellectual scrutiny.  ("Consumer reports
tested 1000 prostitutes and found that those from X-mates had the lowest 
incedence of VD of any escort service.")

As for real crimes like theft: (private) ID etching programs, better locks,
and freeing police from all this worthless drug-busting will all help.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
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From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: MDMA
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 19:35:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.034611.6701@ctr.columbia.edu> locklin@titan.ucc.umas
.edu () writes:
>In article <MedLnXS00Vp8I4qEQA@andrew.cmu.edu> Alexander Samuel McDiarmi
 <am2o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>find the previousnote for context.
>>
>>	I understand (first hand accounts) that it is lots of fun (say more
>>than coke), however the side effect is altzheimers disease (sp?, i can'

>>remember)
>FLAMEFLAMEFLAMEFLAMEFLAMEFLAMEFLAMEFLAME!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Don't you think if they could produce a disease in test subjects with so
ething
>as well understood in its effects on the brain as MMDMA, they would be a
le to
>cure this disease, or at least say what causes it?
>
>-Scott


 That's really funny because anticholinergics induce a model Alzheimer's
disease. (I know this from first-hand encounters with Datura. BAD!) It
sheds some light on the matter, but they're still not very close to curing
the disease or at least preventing it.
 However, MDMA is FAR from being an anticholinergic, so the flame is
justified...

St. Anthony

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From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Fort Wayne: Landlords Must Evict Drug-Dealing Tenants
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 15:47:29 GMT


 What I wnat to know is how this whole thing ends out. If it is struck
down then maybe I still have faith in good government... (HA! Like I ever
did!)

St. Anthony

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Fri,  4 Sep 1992 13:51:13 -0400 
From: "Stephen P. Marting" <sm6h+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Fwd: Toto musician died of cocaine use

Forwarded without permisson :P from clari.news.law.drugs.

I have *never* heard of cocaine use causing hardening of the arteries. 
Could someone please clue me in on this?

PS - clari.news.law.drugs has GOT to be the most biased "drug news" I've
ever heard.  Contrary to its name, it reports practically _nothing_
about drug LAWS, focusing primarily on stories of drug busts and
drug-related deaths.

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Newsgroups: clari.news.music,clari.news.law.drugs,clari.local.california
Subject: Toto musician died of cocaine use
Keywords: pop/soul, music, illegal drugs, legal
Date: 4 Sep 92 04:54:42 GMT
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	LOS ANGELES (UPI) -- Drummer Jeff Porcaro of the Grammy-winning pop
group Toto died of hardening of the arteries due to prolonged cocaine
use, not of pesticide poisoning as previously suspected.
	The Los Angeles County Coroner reported Thursday that Porcaro, 38,
who played backup for such stars as Bruce Springsteen, Dire Straits and
John Fogerty, had no pesticide in his system.
	The musician's managers said he may have died of a heart attack
caused by an allergic reaction to a pesticide he was using in his yard
when he collapsed and died Aug. 5.
	But the coroner's toxicological report completed this week shows
Porcaro died of heart disease caused by long-time cocaine use, Coroner's
Office spokesman Bob Dambacher said.
	The autopsy found traces of cocaine in Porcaro's blood along with
benzoylecgonine, described as a metabolite or byproduct of cocaine.
	``Cause of death has been determined to be occlusive coronary artery
disease, due to atherosclerosis, due to the effects of cocaine,'' the
coroner's report stated.
	Porcaro was a co-founder of Toto, whose debut single ``Hold The Line''
went gold and was on the group's first album for Columbia Records in
1977, which went platinum.
	The group's fourth album in 1982, ``Toto IV,'' led to six Grammy
Awards, with Porcaro honored for best instrumental arrangement
accompanying vocals for ``Roseanna.''


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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bigstar@milton.u.washington.edu (Paschel)
Subject: REWARD: Turn in your neighbor !
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:15:29 GMT


This morning, as I was sitting down to my morning cup of juice, I happened
upon an ad in the Seattle PI.  In the back of the local section (9/1/92),
is an ad offering a reward of up to $5,000 for info leading to the seizure
of growing marijuana plants.  The ad prompts one to look for the following
telltale signs:

OUTDOOR

- Large purchases of fertilizer, garden hoses, etc.
- No tresspassing or Keep Out signs
- Guard Dogs

INDOOR

- Covered or blackened windows
- Musty odors
- Large amounts of potting soil, fertilizers, hoses
- Grow lights seen in windows

Paranoid (or greedy) citizens are encouraged to call this number below:

		1-800-388-GROW  (that's 4769 for us idiots)
		1-800-388-4769

That's why I'm urging all who are interested to give the line a call...I'm
sure we can find plenty of local, prominent citizens with a few suspicious
garden tools or an occasional musty odor... 

YES!...  I realize these ads are nothing new. I also realize that calling
the above number could potentially sacrifice your privacy.  Be smart, use a
pay phone...(for a better discussion of caller ID tech/ideas see the
summer issue of 2600).



-- 


                 --=={{ bigstar@u.washington.edu }}==--
From: atom.grams@betabbs.newton.ma.us (Atom Grams)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: DRUGS?
Date: 24 Aug 92 23:02:00 GMT
Reply-To: atom.grams@betabbs.newton.ma.us (Atom Grams)
Organization: The Beta BBS -=- Newton MA -=- (617)244-7053


We talk about drugs on this message group, Yes?

        If anyone has some good info on the effects of LSD when taken
right before going to sleep it would be most appriated.  I have heard
various things about interesting dreams but that seems hard to belive
since LSD makes it near impossible to go to sleep no matter how hard you
try.  Any info is welcome as long as you don't just rattle on about what
you had for supper last wednesday or somthing as useless.

        Thank You,
        Atom Grams
         
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: The best hash I've ever
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 13:33:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.120840.4104@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.or
 (Keith Lewis) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.173901.27361@dragon.acadiau.ca>, 901371d@dragon.aca
iau.ca (Di Dio) writes:
>> Maybe someone dropped some liquid acid on the hash,I'm not sure if you
>>can inhail it,but I really suspect that you can take that wonder drug
>>anyway you please!  
>
>I don't know if you can smoke LSD.  My guess is no.
>
>Back around 1984 or 1985, there was a media scare (urban legend alert) a
out
>a new drug called "Love Boat" which was actually marijuana sprayed with 
CP.
>
>From the (very few) subjective accounts of PCP use I've read, it seems t

>resemble LSD a lot more than THC.  Perhaps there was dust in your hash. 

 My guess is that it was DMT. That has been a common thing to spray
inferior pot with DMT. People I know had some a few times. They called it
"trip weed". (Imagine that...)

T




>


>
>Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"

St. Anthony




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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: gaspar@inf.ethz.ch (gaspo)
Subject: Re: Toxicology book review
Organization: Twilight-Zone-Algorithms-Incorporated
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 09:42:51 GMT

In article <ASH.92Sep3145506@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.091724.27347@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> gaspar@inf.ethz.ch (gaspo) writes:
>   >I had two theories: 1) sticky, the THC is just produced for the simple
>   >fact that it is sticky and helps catch the male'plants products, and
>Nice try, but THC itself isn't sticky.  The resin that contains TCH is
>sticky.

well, I tried ;-}

>
>   >2) its for humans to spread its seeds.  
>
>But that would have to be a design of God, and if it were a design of
>God then George Bush and the DEA wouldn't be against it.  For that
>matter, since the plant itself must be a design of God, and George
>Bush is against it, then:


wwooooaahhh! wait, what happened to the seperation of church and state?
nevermind.  I think the last years of legislation under the
Ronnie/Georgie reign has already answered that.

>1) There is no God
>     or
>2) George Bush is wrong
>     or
>3) All of the above

you missed one:

4) There is a God, and he commands his subjects through the allmighty
and omnipotent Georgie.


anyways,  a colleague mentioned that the THC is actually an antifeedant.
Anybody got any references to that?  I'm tempted to believe it: a cow
scarfs a couple plants, gets _way_ stoned, gets paranoid about the other
cows turning him/her into the farmer, and swears off eating those nasty
plants forever.

But, has anybody ever asked the cow if he/she gets the munchies too?

--gaspo.


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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
Subject: Re: Open container law -- intent (was Re: info on open ...)
Organization: Cadence Design Systems
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:32:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.043236.12985@genie.slhs.udel.edu> starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.213619.5445@news.cs.indiana.edu> hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu (Paul Hager) writes:
>}
>}Just a clarification.  The so-called open container law is a 
>}prohibition against having an open container of an alcoholic beverage
>}in an automobile.  Thus, if you are visiting friends for dinner, don't
>}take an open, unfinished bottle of wine with you because if you are
>}stopped, you have violated the open container law.  That is how it
>
>Even I can see that this law would be of little use for either wine bottles
>with corks or screw-top alcoholic beverages like some wine coolers, beers, and
>malt liquors.  They'll just replace the tops!

Replacing the top doesn't help -- an open container, legally, is one where
the seal is broken.  Even if you put the cork back in or screw on the top,
it's still an "open container" to the arresting officer.

If you have the container in the trunk, though, it is OK with most state
laws (this is true in California).  It is only illegal if accessable from the
passenger compartment.  So if you leave a party with a recorked bottle, make
sure you put it in the trunk!  If you put it on the back seat, you can be
arrested or given a ticket for open container.  If you're lucky, all the
officer will do is pour it out and give you a verbal warning.

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz)

About the time we think we can make ends meet, somebody moves the ends.
		-- Herbert Hoover
From: 34AEJ7D@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Satanic Crime unit bullsh*t
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:45:59 GMT
Reply-To: bj496%Cleveland.Freenet.Edu@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU

On 25 Aug 92 21:17:09 GMT Peter Couvares <pfcouvar@amhux1.amherst.edu>
said:
|...
|        I'm pro-God...
|...


Really?  Which one?
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: codeine over-the-counter
Keywords: codeine
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 16:17:53 GMT

In article <6523@sniff.wfo.dec.com> jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com.UUCP (Joe Whittemore) writes:
>    In conversation the other night I was told that 'codeine' is an 'over
>    the counter' drug in Canada. I suspect that this was in referance to
>    some sort of codeine and aspirin. If there's someone who could clearify
>    this for me and, if true, tell me in what province(s)/stores I'd
>    appreciate it if they'd drop me a note via e-mail at
>    whittemore@wfodev.enet.dec.com

8mg of codeine with 325mg of aspirin.  Two of these might suppress
your cough somewhat.  It is much too low a dose to be an effective
pain reliever or to be a drug of abuse (a 150# male would require at
least 60mg codeine for any kind of pain relief distinguishable from
placebo.)  The aspirin in the preparation prevents too much of
it from being taken at once.

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: chuck@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Mark Andrew Hawling)
Subject: Marijuana for Paper
Reply-To: chuck@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Mark Andrew Hawling)
Organization: none
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:43:06 GMT

This has probably come up here before, but the other day when I was listening to
Jello Biafra's spoken word album "I blow minds for a living", he made mention
of some information regarding the use of marijuana plants for paper production and
other uses.

He uses information from a US department of agriculture report where it states things
like a certain area of marijuana plants is 4 times as productive for paper production
as the same area from trees as well as requiring less chemicals to break it down
into paper. Also plants take a lot less time to grow back so they can be harvested again.
The plants also have other uses like the production of ethanol.

Apparently in the past before marijuana was outlawed in the US in about 1936, it was
the major source of paper and was required to be grown by farmers of the time. During
WW2 apparently it was being used again for various things including George Bush's 
parachute.

The reasons why it was actually outlawed are considered to be several. These include
the political clout of the tobacco compaines. Also medicinal uses for certain medical
drugs played a roll because you can't patent a natural medicine only one chemically
produced. So at the time Dupont had developed some patented medical process which
was found to be uneccessary because the same medicine could be derived naturally from
marijuana plants. So as Dupont had considerable polotical clout and other companies
made a bill get passed that outlawed marijuana. Now the whole war on drugs is keeping
all knowledge of the uses hidden.

Does anybody know anything about this. It sounds pretty far out, but also entirely
possible considering the way the US seems to run. If it is true it is pretty worrying
that something like this is occuring while we are destroying the forests of the world
for no real reason.

chuck
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: nuke@reed.edu (Bill Newcomb)
Subject: Re: Photosynthesis Philosophy.
Keywords: Red, Blue, Black, Light, & Help.
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:26:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.060428.11792@eskimo.celestial.com> nanook@eskimo.celestial.com (Robert Dinse) writes:
>In article <16AUG199200094619@acad3.alaska.edu>, jscsp@acad3.alaska.edu (Chris Parker) writes:
>> Using the ideas in _The_complete_guide_to_growing_Marijuana_, one assumes 
>> a plant needs 'Red' and 'Blue' rays to grow, right? Well, a FOAF claims
>> that an ultra-violet light is the most perfect place to get blue rays from.
>> FOAF also says : ultra-violet light = Black light. <- Truth? Not Truth?
>
>
>     Unless you have a flourescent item that absorbs ultra-violet and emits
>blue, you aren't going to get blue light from ultra-violet.

Only true if your source of UV is monochromatic, like a laser or something.
Most "black-lights" emit a considerable amount of blue light, as the
phosphor on the inside of the bulb does not emit only one frequency. You can
see the emission, right? If it were solely UV, you wouldn't.
I think, however, that gro-lites would stnad you in better stead.

nuke@reed.edu

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lamontg@carson.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: Yohimbe (Passionflower)
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:04:44 GMT

>> a couple of dramamine tabs beforehand.  I had what seemed to be
>> a bad cross reaction, with strong disorientation and dizziness.  The
>> safest thing is to assume that it is an MAOI, but not to rely on the
>> fact... i.e. I wouldn't use it specifically for that property (try
>> something known to be used for this purpose, such as passionflower).

A reaction between a drug and dramamine certain says NOTHING about the
possibility that its a MAOI.

>Has anyone had experience, specifically success, using passionflower
>for the purpose of orally activiating tryptamines?
>Can anyone give me an accurate estimate of how much is necessary?
>I have checked the scientific literature on this, and it is
>confused as to what is exactly in passionlower, and how much.

Harmaline, and very little of it at that...

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: nuke@reed.edu (Bill Newcomb)
Subject: Re: Effadrine hydrochloride
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:52:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.215936.22851@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>Taking ephedrine for more than a few days induces tachyphylaxis.
>(Heh heh, I thought I'd stop there and give you a fright... :-))

Actually I'm just confused. In the psychopharm literature I'm familiar with,
which isn't much, to be sure, I have only seen that term used to mean an
extremely rapid tolerance, one that develops almost as soon as active
concentrations of the drug are present. Is tolerance after a few days still
considered tachyphylaxis?

Bill "who only took one psychopharm course" Newcomb
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: "Paul Hager" <hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: SATANIC CRIME UNITS??
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:55:25 -0500

sean.cloherty@betabbs.newton.ma.us (Sean Cloherty)  writes:

>Who the hell is Satan, if you'll pardon the pun.
>                                                                               
I recommend the book: "Satan, his psychotherapy and cure by the
	unfortunate Dr. Kastler, JSPS" by Jeremy Levin.

It will answer all of your questions.
-- 
paul hager		hagerp@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu

"The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason."
			-- Thomas Paine, _The Age of Reason_
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.drugs
From: pfcouvar@amhux1.amherst.edu (Peter Couvares)
Subject: Re: Satanic Crime units?? Re: WoD: Frontline Report
Summary: Either I'm weird or a good sense of humor is very rare. Or both. ;)
Organization: Amherst College
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:13:02 GMT

A few days ago, in response to a joke about people being either "pro-satan
or anti-satan", I wrote:
> 
>	I'm pro-God, and I don't think you should be allowed to discuss
>the merits or even the alternative of satan-loving on a network that is
>partially government-funded.
> 

	For the many, many of you out there who flamed me for this, I have
one thing to say:

                            *  I was kidding. *

I was making a joke. Ha ha. Hee hee. Chuckle, chuckle. It was just an offhand
thing, inspired by the abortion "gag rule" which I happened to be thinking
about at the time.

	I even changed the "anti-satan" from the post I was following up into
"pro-God", as a joke about the anti-abortion activists who call themselves
pro-life (which is like calling yourself pro-breathing :). Anyway, apparently
the joke was too obscured, and I definitely won't do it again without some
indication that I am kidding. To tell the truth, I had thought about it, but
decided it would weaken the humor to say specifically that I was kidding at
the end. I didn't think anyone could miss it. Oh well, next time... :)