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From: smith@ctron.com (Lawrence C Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FLAME! Only a Manual!
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:27:55 GMT
Reply-To: smith@ctron.com
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Nov8.211005.10020@nezsdc.icl.co.nz>, derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes:

>>this is a real life example of what i have been stressing.  EVERYONE should
>>LEARN on a stick, as they can then drive EITHER!!..at their WHIM...but, 

>Yeah right, EVERYONE should learn EVERYTHING.  Lets not leave out any 
>of those driving skills.  We might be stuck in the middle of nowhere and 
>the only vehicle available is an ARTICULATED LORRY,  or one of those TRACKED
>CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES,  or a TRACTOR or a MOTORBIKE (yes I know we aren't
>supposed to discuss motorbikes in this newsgroup). We might have had an 
>accident in the middle of the Sahara and the only transport is a CAMEL - we 
>should learn to ride one of those too!  EVERYONE should know how to put 
>any 4X4 into 4 wheel drive IN THE DARK.  EVERYONE should also be able to fix 
>ANY part of their vehicle on matter where they are.  EVERYONE should know
>how to DOUBLE DE-CLUTCH in case their synchro's fail,  ditto CLUTCHLESS
>SHIFT.

Look, Derek, calm down, okay?  I've haven't seen so many exclaimation points
outside of sci.environment.  The original poster was making a point about
the relative likelihood of finding oneself faced with a stick shift.  Even
today, a very large proportion of cars have them.  Last I checked, relatively
few even had 4-wheel drive, and even fewer were articulated lorries or
tracked construction vehicles - which are not legal on the highways, I might
point out - and virtually none of them are camels, which don't come with stick
shifts anyway.  Manuals are still common enough that it probably _is_ a worth-
while skill for most people to learn to drive them.  Aside from giving people
a better feel for the mechanicalness of a car - which might improve driving
skills, instead of encouraging this "a car is an appliance, just point it and
push the pedal" stuff that many people seem to be stuck on.

And it widens the choice of cars.  When you can drive either, you can seriously
consider getting one to improve the mileage in a econocar, _or_ you can decide
to stick with the automatic.  Knowing how to drive any of the others confers
no such wide range of choices.  I have _yet_ to find camels for sale _anywhere_
in Nashua, and I doubt they can be licensed for the highway, anyhow.

Heaven knows it's an easy enough skill to learn, and since most people in the
US learn from the back of cereal boxes^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H high
school driver ed classes, it shouldn't cost any real time or money - just
replace the driver ed car with a stick shift car.  It seems to be that does
nothing bad to one's freedom of choice - in cars _or_ cereal.

Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com)  No, I don't speak for Cabletron.  Need you ask?
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: Top 20 Selling Vehicles of 1992
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:57:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.133546.15576@swlvx2.msd.ray.com> hsd@swl.msd.ray.com (HERBERT DASILVA) writes:
>hsd@swl.msd.ray.com (HERBERT DASILVA) writes:
>
>>  3. Honda Accord		This is the list of top 20 sales of
>>  6. Toyota Camry		The Globe lists their source as
>> 11. Honda Civic
>> 14. Toyota Corolla
>> 18. Toyota pickup
>
>  OK, OK, before the beatings begin, it's obvious that there are 5, not 4
>  Japanese imports in the top 20, so just save the flames, OK?  :-)
>
>	Herb "Mopar Maniac" DaSilva

  Well, *actually* the Accord, Camry, and Corolla are each made in various US
  plants.  The Accord in Marysville, Ohio, the Camry in Georgetowne, Ky, and
  the Corolla in CA.  I think that the civic might be a USA product also.
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From: issa@cwis.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Chrysler LH sedan takes out Lexus luxury-mobile...
Keywords: Happened...really! Right here on 13th St., D.C....
Date: 13 Nov 92 04:36:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (Paul Virgo) writes:


>On my way in to work this morning, I saw the finality of an accident 
>involving a Dodge Intrepid and a Lexus ES300. From what I can figure,
>the Intrepid was coming up 13th St. towards the D.C.-MD line and the
>ES300 was trying to cut it off whilst entering the road from a sidestreet.
>The LH must've "muscled" it's right-of-way privilege and the Lexus was
>forced to crash into a fence...NOT a pretty sight!

>So, Chrysler 1, Lexus 0...had it been a LS400--well--woulda' been interesting...BTW, the airbags kicked in on the Lexus...


>d.j. NetBoy
>-- 

>d.j. NetBoy
>Metters Industries
>Arlington, VA 22202


Top Car with the Best [Least] Overall Injury Rating:
Lexus LS 400   (Motor Trend, 1992 Top Ten Special Issue)

So, Chryer (0), Lexus (Infiniti plus 1).

Issa
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: RHK765@paccvm.corp.mot.com (B.M. Kwong)
Subject: Re: Rotary vs. Piston Engines
Organization: Motorola
Date: 5 Nov 1992 13:37:54 HKT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Rotary vs. Piston Engines
Date: 4 Nov 92 18:02:51 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: regenmeister


>However, a rotary engine the ratio of combustion chamber surface to
>volume is much higher in a rotary engine than it is in a reciprocating
>engine.  Because the combustion chamber surface chills the burning of
>the fuel mixture, this fact makes the rotary engine much less efficient
>thermally than is the reciprocating engine.  (It also makes the rotary
>engine much dirtier.

Also, the shape of the combustion chamber also has something to do with
this issue.  The semi-hemisphere is a quite efficient shape for a
combustion to take place.  As for the Rotary engine, the combustion
chamber is in effect like a tiny stripe which make the spread of
flame difficult.  Mazda fixed it using twin sparks and a complex
ignition system to fire one spark a little bit earlier.  It is also
because of the shape of the engine, a high compression ratio is
very diffcult to achieve.

B.M. Kwong
From: thatchh@hplsla.hp.com (Thatch Harvey)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1992 00:53:08 GMT
Subject: Re: Do I need to use premium gas for a RX-7?
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

>> 
>> What fuel is actually sold at what distributor is another issue. I heard
>> some tale involving Hawaii. Apperently in Hawaii, there are several fuel
>> retailers but only one supplier...therefore every gas station ( texaco, BP,
>> etc ) all sell the exact same same fuel. I imagine that this may be common
>> in other places as well.
>> 
>> I saw a back issue of consumer reports that detailed fuel quality a few years
>> ago. I don't remember the reference.
>> 
>> 						-ks
 


           The gasoline is frequently the same. I just toured a Shell refinery,
and they sell to several brands of distributors. In fact, all four refineries
in the Pacific Northwest ship their product through the same pipeline to the
population centers. The difference in brands is in the additives which are
added either at the tank farms or at the truck filling depots.

                     Thatch Harvey
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar)
Subject: Re: Saturn Polymer Side Panels - How tough ??
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:18:53 GMT


It`s funny that you asked this question, because I just heard a lecture
from someone from DOW chemicals technical services division in one of my
classes two days ago. He had brought a Saturn door panel with him. During
the lecture, he threw the panel on the floor with the concave side down,
and jumped on the panel as hard as he could. When he got off of it and
picked it up, there was not a scratch on it. I know not of any metal panel
that could do this. 

Anyway, I would not worry too much about dents and dings.

As for structural integraty, all the body panels really do is give the car
its looks and make for its aerodynamics. Unlike other automobiles, the
Saturn has a steel cage frame that simply has the body panels attched to
it. So assuming this cage frame is structually sound, I would say that the
car is just as strong as any other car this size. The best comparison I can
think of is an airplane. An airplane is simply a frame structure that is
covered with body panels for aerodynamics and looks. Same thing for the
Saturn. 

It would be good to here from someone who has owned one, though.

MGM

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: BETTER? 92 Camaro or 92 Iroc Daytona??
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 22:56:36 GMT

In article 7824@zds-oem.zds.com, easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.200129.28498@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA writes:
>>
>>
>>CAMARO!
>
>  And he better hurry as they seem to be dwindling on the car lots
>around here, in anticipation of the '93's comming in January.
>
>>Just say NO to FWD!
>
>  Problem is, if your not too fond of the F cars or the 'stang, the 
>RWD choices are getting quite limited these days...
>
>>
>>Torque Monger
>>
>
>-- 
>  ___  ___    Jeff Easton             easton@zds-oem.zds.com
> (__  (__     Zenith Data Systems     j.easton@mi04.zds.com
> ___) ___)    Saint Joseph, Mich.     easton@andrews.edu
>Monte Carlo   Z-LS/20 - Choice of a quiet generation
>

In that case, get a used PORSCHE 928 that was well maintained.
I know it's European, BUT It gives good vibes! :) :)

BTW, I could walk into the local PONTIAC dealership out here
and buy a new FORMULA cheap! Out here, people keep their old 
cars FOREVER because rust is minimal here on Vancouver Island!
No demand!

My old one still has lotsa life left, so I'll pass for a few years.
The one in the showroom is loaded but without Auto or Air. It even
has the LEATHER INTERIOR!!

You'll unfortunately have to pay the Canadian price, though. :+(

Torque Monger  

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: Merkur XR4Ti
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:25:54 GMT

In article <masc5n9@Unify.Com> perry@Unify.Com (Perry Clarke) writes:
>I have an '85 Merkur XR4Ti which I am happy with ....

Glad to hear it. I'm a fellow XR4Ti pilot/mechanic as well.

>However, it looks like I will need some work done on the turbo and my
>mechanic says "I don't do turbos".

I don't understand this from him at all. I would much rather change a turbo
(took me 5 hrs to do mine) than do say, a head gasket. There's almost nothing
to go wrong.

>So, my question is:  Do Ford dealers know *anything* about Merkurs?

Sadly, no. What you need to do is find someone who works on Mustang SVO's
or even Thunderbird Turbo Coupes. Practically the same engine.

ALSO- esp. since you live in CA, *don't* let the mechanic buy the turbo for
you. Call Turbo City or A-1 Turbo Repair (look in the back of a car mag)
and call them. For our car, last year a Garrett Ai-T3 was $390 exchange, 
$100 core. Make sure you get the turbo back so that you can get your $100
core charge back.

	-Kenny
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!)
Subject: Cadillacs (WAS: INFFINITI vs BMW)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:09:50 GMT

bpita@ctp.com (Bob Pitas) writes:

>And Cadillac has some DAMN nice engines nowadays.  The STS has very
>good acceleration figures, although I can't say anything about the
>handling of something that heavy...  I wonder what the Allante with
>the Northstar engine is like...  It's probably not quite as heavy as
>the other cars, so maybe it handles better...

The Allante with the Northstar engine makes 60 in 6.7 seconds if I remember
right.  And Road&Track LOVED the handling too.....

Not to mention the thing has a FANTASTIC-sounding exhaust!
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From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Speeding ticket - FAQ
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:00:14 GMT
Organization: LLUMC, CA



  I think it's a FAQ, but always until it doesn't concern you.
 
  The story. Last Saturday I was pulled out and the cop said something
  like "Sir, do you realise you're driving a little bit faster?". 
    me "was I?"

  After a little conversation he gave me a ticket for driving aprox.
  at 68 mph. (the road, of course, is 55) - such a bastard.

  The question - would it be better for me just to pay the ticket,
  go to driving school and forget the story. Is it worth to fight
  in court saying that I drove with the trafic speed and effectively
  the cop did not *measure* my speed - he followed me and used his
  sppedometer to determine my speed (sure, *he* accelerated to reach
  me - finally he sat on my tail). 

  BTW, if  I go to court, should I mention that the accuracy of car
  speedometer is about +-10%, which gives me 20% tolerance and 
  reduces my speed to 55mph.

  I never had this thing before.(tickets)

  Any suggestions? BTW, what the fine could be here in CA?

  Sergei Borodin
From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Exploding rear windshield
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:43:09 GMT
Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

RE: Rear windshield exploding.

This happened to me on an '83 Honda Accord (the worst lemon I ever had,
incidentally.  Not all Hondas are great).  Honda ignored my requests for
them to repay me for having it fixed.  It seems they had earlier issued
a recall for just this problem, but I had not brought it in for the recall
within the specified time.  I ended up suing them in small claims, and 
winning, for the amount of the rear window replacement.

Dave

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From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: Fiero GT performance
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:11:44 GMT

In article <1dmvk3INN551@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>
>In a previous article, thenor@acsu.buffalo.edu (Leonid Thenor) says:
>
>>
>>I have a few questions for some of the knowlegeable individuals on this net.
>>I own an '86 Fiero Gt and I would really like to improve performance (at a
>>reasonable cost). I would like to know the following:
>>
>>	1) How much improvement can I expect from free-flowing exhausts
>>		and intakes? Can you suggest any brands?
>>	2) What other GM engines will fit the Fiero with little (prefably
>>		no) modifications?

drop a quad4 in!

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw)
Subject: Re: Survey impartiality (was Re: Profits to Japan?)
Organization: Motorola Western MCU Design Center, Chandler Arizona
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:49:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.173420.12952@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov6.214504.19231@newsgate.sps.mot.com> mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw) writes:
|> >
|> >>Frankly, yes.  This is not as unbelievable as it sounds.  A very
|> >>thought-provoking discussion on this subject took place in the
|> >>rec.autos hierarchy several months ago.  In case you missed it, here is
|> >>a recap (as I remember it):
|> >
|> >>............ stuff deleted...........
|> Just becaue you had a thought provoking discussion, ti doesn't mean
|> the conculsion was correct.

The above comments were not mine, they were included from a prior article.
I assume you are really taking issue with my comments regards the validity
of the CU survey data.

|> If you think the results of the questionaire in CU are baised against
|> Americans and for Japanese because we are essenitally told by society
|> how to think about our car then:
|> 
|> Why is it that in CU just about Toyota cars(Celicas, Corollas, Camrys)
|> uniformaly are black in ratings for reliablilty of their exhaust
|> systems? **IF what you are saying is true then their should not be a
|> pattern such as this.**	The reason why it is plain and simple, Toyota
|> exhasut systems rust out.  Take a look at the muffelers in some of the
|> 87-88 Corollas or Chevy Novas, you'll see a lot of them are brand
|> knew.  Shouldn't the Japanese car owners have selectively deleted this
|> fault from their memory? 

You didn't read my comments carefully.  IMHO the only thing you can use the
CU surveys for is to determine the weak points of a particular car models that
were reported on.   HOWEVER, this has no correlation to the percentage of 
the vehicles that will have that problem out of the total number of vehicles
sold of that model.  This is because the results were SOLICITED from CU
readers owning such cars; and were not taken as a random sample of ALL owners.

|> I bet I can go through the whole book and find contradictions which don't
|> coroborate with your theory.

My theory is only a comment on the possible outcome that could result reporting
data not based on reliable statistical sampling methods.   As they say GIGO
(garbage in, garbage out).  Anyone who would use those frequency of repair 
charts to determine the most "reliable" car is fooling themselves. 

Mark
From: rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com (Bob Rusk)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FALCON GT
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:05:04 GMT
	<1992Nov5.023003.35545@datamark.co.nz>
Reply-To: rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com
Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division

On Thu, 5 Nov 1992 02:30:03 GMT, thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle) wrote:
>In article <Bx7G4J.4JB@cmptrc.lonestar.org> neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) writes:
>>In article <3360194@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> zampicem@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Mike Zampiceni) writes:
>>>I didn't even know that Ford had resurrected the Falcon name from the 
>>>ashes of the sixties.
>>
>>I think the originator of this thread was referring to a personal computer
>>(maybe made by Atari ???) called a Falcon, not the car. I think I saw this 
>>name somewhere in rec.synthesizers. A lot of MIDI heads like Atari machines.

>Whoops!

>Ford Falcon's are still currently made in Australia. They are very
>different from the Falcon of the 60's. 

Aren't they still making them in Argentina, as well?  I know they were
a few years ago.  And the Argentinian ones were said to be pretty
similar to the 1960's USA models with a facelift.

--
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Subject: Re: What do you do when Mitsubishi's Customer Relations says "F*** O**"
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:26:45 GMT


In article <1992Nov5.212603.10304@linus.mitre.org> rajiv@hilltop.mitre.org (Rajiv Kohli) writes:
>I have had a Diamante 92 for the past 10 months. Since day 1 it has
>had a rattle from the stereo and from within the console.
>
>Mitsubishi Regional Manager authorized 5 different stereo sets to
>replacements over the 10 month period. The rattle is still there
>and is now probably worse.

[Classic horror story omitted.]

I'd say fix the rattle yourself. This is not a major problem like a
broken valve stem or a total drivetrain failure - this is just a rattle.
Sure, it's the principle of the thing, but you have already spent more
in your own time, money, and frustration to more than pay for the repair
(even if you have someone else do it for you). It's fine to stand on
principle, but is it really worth all the hassle for a $25 repair job?

Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: ferrari@hubcap.clemson.edu (scott stevenson)
Subject: 1971 Datsun 240Z For Sale
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:18:55 GMT

  

                    1971 Datsun 240Z For Sale

138,000 original miles
Minimal rust
Stock engine/carbs/exhaust
5spd tranny retrofitted from a 280Z
New silver paint with stock vinyl top
Front Spoiler with headlight covers
Great interior, with original uncracked dashboard
Solid car which needs a good home


Asking $5000 o.b.o.  have AT LEAST $6000 invested

For more info, write me at:  ferrari@clemson.clemson.edu
                        or   ferrari@hubcap.clemson.edu

To speak to me in person, call 654-3223 and ask for Scott

Thanks
Scott Stevenson 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: "nigel allen" <nigel.allen@canrem.com>
Subject: auto emissions tests
Reply-To: "nigel allen" <nigel.allen@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:24:39 EST

Here is a press release from the Natural Resources Defense Council.

 NRDC Praises EPA's New Auto Emissions Tests; Criticizes
Implementation Delay
 To: National Desk, Environment Writer
 Contact: David Driesen or Sarah Silver of the Natural Resources
          Defense Council, 202-783-7800

   WASHINGTON, Nov. 5 -- The Natural Resources Defense Council 
(NRDC) praised EPA's new standards for testing and repair of 
automobile emissions controls issued today as a result of an NRDC 
lawsuit demanding timely action on this important clean air
program.
   "The government got under the hood and fixed it.  Tens of millions
of people will breathe cleaner air when this new emission testing
program takes effect," said NRDC attorney David Driesen.
   The new program requires improved testing equipment and separates
testing of cars' emissions from repair.  NRDC hailed EPA's decision
to separate vehicle testing from the repair business.
   "Fifteen years of experience has shown that combined test and
repair just does not work.  Under the old program, mechanics had an
incentive to fail cars that should pass.  And, a mechanic had an
incentive to pass a car once he worked on it, even if the problem was
not fixed," Driesen said.  "Under the new program, test-only centers
will secure large smog reductions at the lowest cost to car owners."
   NRDC did criticize provisions in the rule which allows states to
delay implementation of the testing program for years.  "Delaying
full implementation means that people in the nation's urban areas
must wait years before they breathe clean air," Driesen said.  "We
urge states to take prompt action to get the new testing centers up
and running."
 -30-
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: "andrew morgan" <andrew.morgan@canrem.com>
Subject: wards auto magazine
Reply-To: "andrew morgan" <andrew.morgan@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 7 Nov 92 16:01:25 EST


I'm trying to get the address of Wards Automotive magazine.

Any subscribers out there??

AM
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