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Subject: Forth FAQ Answers: Part 05 (General Internet info).  (V1.0:01.Jan.93)
From: FAQ@willett.pgh.pa.us (comp.lang.forth FAQ source)
Date: 2 Jan 93 00:39:35 GMT
Organization: EIEI-U




How can I find an anonymous FTP or email server that has "foo"? (Or, just
    what is "archie" anyway?)

    From: Mitch.Bradley@ENG.SUN.COM
    Subject: How to find FTP sites
    Message-ID: <9105291721.AA13524@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>
    Date: 28 May 91 20:44:55 GMT

    The question often arises: where can I get "foo" via anonymous FTP (FTP
    is the Internet File Transfer Protocol)?

    There is a nice database listing Internet archives; you can access it via
    Telnet.  Here's how:

           telnet quiche.cs.mcgill.ca

           login% archie
           (Lots of introductory messages; use "help" to learn more)
           archie> prog forth

    The "prog forth" query lists over 100 Forth things available on various
    FTP sites.  I searched the listing for "atari", and found 2 places where
    Forthmacs is available:

           watserv1.waterloo.edu  /micro/atari-st/forthmac.arc
           terminator.cc.umich.edu  /atari/languages/forth.arc

    Obviously, you can look for other things besides Forth; I have used archie
    to find all sorts of things.


    Mitch.Bradley@Eng.Sun.COM
    (Thanks to John Gilmore for telling me about archie)

    From: oneel@heawk1.gsfc.nasa.gov ( Bruce Oneel )
    Subject: Re: How to find FTP sites
    Message-ID: <ONEEL.91May30082611@heawk1.gsfc.nasa.gov>
    Date: 30 May 91 12:26:11 GMT
    Organization: STX/GSFC Nasa

    Another way to do the search is to send mail to archie@cs.mcgill.ca
    with the word help in the message body or the request prog <what you
    want to look for> in the message body.

    bruce
    --
    Bruce O'Neel              oneel@heasfs.gsfc.nasa.gov
    NASA/GSFC/STX/Code 664



Where can I find programs for Unix that can read .ARC, .ZOO and .ZIP files?

       In article <1991Dec12.155334.8919@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>
    	ka2czu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (robert.switzer) writes:
       >Does unzip and unarc src for unix exist anywhere?
       >or can I get the definitions to write my own?

    You can find them on SIMTEL20 (WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL) and in the
    SIMTEL20 mirror on wuarchive.wustl.edu.  Because the exact file names
    often contain version numbers, I'm not including the file names
    here, only the directory names.  Check out 00-index.txt in the
    directories for specific info and what file is what.  On SIMTEL-20,
    look in directories:
		PD6:<UNIX-C.ARC-PROGS>     (.arc and .zoo)
		PD6:<UNIX-C.FILE-MGMT>	   (.zip)
    On wuarchive, look in directories:
		/mirrors/unix-c/arc-progs
		/mirrors/unix-c/file-mgmt

    If you have email only access, please see the other regularly
    posted message for how to access FTP archives via email.

    You might also try using the archie server to find other sites
    that have these programs.  (See previous question).
From: michael@hoser.East.Sun.COM (Michael Gwilliam - Sun Consulting)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
Subject: Wanted - FORTH for Apple IIc
Date: 24 Dec 1992 15:10:19 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: michael@hoser.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: hoser.east.sun.com
Keywords: Apple IIc FORTH IIC wanted


I've got an Apple IIc that I want to use for data acquisition and control.
I'd like to use FORTH for this.  Is there a FORTH interpreter for this?
Is there one in the public domain?  Where & how can I get it?

You know, standard questions.  Thanks bunches.

Michael Gwilliam
michael@gotham.East.Sun.COM
From: mikc@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Mike Coughlin)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
Subject: Forth for Sparc and other Unix based computers
Date: 1 Jan 1993 17:55:39 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu

>Stephen J Bevan (bevan@cs.man.ac.uk) wrote:
>: where am I supposed to get a FREE native code Forth
>: system for SPARCstations?  With so many implementations of other
>: languages available for free, I have a tough time justifying the
>: purchase of a Forth system.

   There are versions of Forth that are designed to run on any Unix 
workstation. They are written in "C" for portability. For a "free" one,
try TILE from the GNU collection of programs. Of course you will have
to spend time instead of money compiling it and getting it to work.
   For a commercial Forth that runs on SPARCstations, try Sun Forth or
C Forth from Bradley Forthware, P. O. Box 4444, Mountain View, CA 94040.
It is similar to the boot prom on SPARCstations (same author) but it 
will do a lot more than just boot or debug your computer.

-- 
   Michael Coughlin             mikc@gnu.ai.mit.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
Subject: PYGMY Forth
Date: 25 Dec 92 10:08:51 GMT
Organization: EIEI-U

Category 7,  Topic 22
Message 134       Thu Dec 10, 1992
ELLIOTT.C                    at 14:11 EST
 
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 Date: 12-09-92 (15:01)
   To: FRANK SERGEANT
 From: IAN WATTERS
 Subj: PYGMY FORTH

   >>     Thanks for your email note (I received it today).  Are
   you [on] >>internet?  I am available via bitnet as
   fs07675@swtexas and, I think, >>maybe via internet by something
   like fs07675%swt.decnet@relay.the.net.

 iwatters@cix.compulink.co.uk  is the prefered choice.

 I'm also on CI$, but they make you pay to receive internet mail!

 I don't know a thing about bitnet, alas, so I'll have a go with
 your internet address...

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Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
Subject: Forth in print
Date: 25 Dec 92 10:08:46 GMT
Organization: EIEI-U

Category 4,  Topic 7
Message 185       Sat Dec 12, 1992
B.RODRIGUEZ2 [Brad]          at 18:07 EST
 
> FORTH: A TEXT AND REFERENCE ... [is] not our manual.

Oops!  I misspoke.  Someone told me that this book was written for the MMS
dialect of Forth, i.e., Forth-79, and some MMS extensions (I/O?) are used in
the book.  So the book discusses and illustrates MMSFORTH, but is not the
manual.  I sit corrected; thanks.

Brad Rodriguez
 B.RODRIGUEZ2 on GEnie   |   bradford@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca
 So many projects....so little time.

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From: bible@iastate.edu (Anthony E Bible)
Subject: Question: programming practice
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:08:42 GMT

	I am writing a little program in which it is most reasonable to name a
couple of the words AND and IMMEDIATE.  These are already defined, of course,
and some of the later words use the new AND while others use the FORTH AND.  In
order to distinguish between the two I either have to switch the current
vocabulary temporarily to FORTH or I have to define a different word to
distinguish between the two.  I opted to define FORTH-AND to point to FORTH's
AND so I could use the "clean" name for my program.  I don't much care for this
either, but having a "bunch" of vocabulary bookkeeping stuck in the middle of 
a word detracts from the clarity of it's function, e.g.,

	DUP FORTH-AND IF ...

versus

	DUP FORTH AND MYVOC DEFINITIONS IF ...


Hmmm.  Maybe I don't need DEFINITIONS in there.  Anyway, you see my point I 
hope.  I haven't written any IMMEDIATE words yet, but I may end up having some,
and I can scarcely immagine using more than one word for that.


	I would be interested to know how others would approach this problem,
or, if you think I'm just being anal retentive and this is not a problem, I'd
like to hear your views on that too.

Thanks.

Regards,
tony
From: exuhag@exu.ericsson.se (James Hague)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
Subject: Re: FORTH: , Filters and Esperanto
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:29:27 GMT
Reply-To: exuhag@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Richardson, TX
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

Christopher Browne writes:
>
>Personally, I think that complaining about the use of "FORTH:" is
>picking at nits.

To me it is a situation similar to all the MS-DOS C (or C++)
programming books.  There are seemingly dozens of books with
names like _Advanced C_, _Advanced C Programming, _Programming
in C for MS-DOS_.  None of these books contains anything new; none
of them takes a differing approach to the presentation of material.

>There IS a difference between the Esperanto situation and that of
>Forth; human "technology" doesn't change very much.  On the other
>hand, computer technology has been changing with leaps and bounds.

Computer technology changes, but through all the fads, programming 
is still basically the same as it was twenty-five years ago and it 
is still a very difficult task.  Much of the progress since then has
been directed toward disguising this inherent difficulty.

--
James Hague   
exuhag@exu.ericsson.se
From: ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
Subject: Files on-line
Date: 25 Dec 92 10:08:29 GMT
Organization: EIEI-U

Category 1,  Topic 3
Message 59        Tue Dec 08, 1992
ELLIOTT.C                    at 10:42 EST
 
 
  *********************************
 Number: 2681  Name: FILES91.ARC
 Address: ELLIOTT.C                Date: 921208
 Approximate # of bytes: 62336
 Number of Accesses: 0  Library: 1
 Description:
 The collected library new files announcements from 1991; some
 commentary among the messages as well.
 Keywords: files,eForth,BAR,BESTOF,Yerk,FPC,8051,X3J14,Atari,Payne
  ---------------------------------



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From: a7657@mindlink.bc.ca (Stephen H. Kawamoto)
Subject: Re: FigTree
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:31:14 GMT

Yes, Lady Bacardi mentioned as much. Albany"s FIGTREE was a BBS. Her software
was, i believe, a BBS program written in Forth.

Th only thing that they share in common is the name FIGTREE, and that's about
all.

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     That leads the mind astray;
     Of the mind,
     Do not be mindless."
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From: ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
Subject: Forth in print
Date: 25 Dec 92 10:08:48 GMT
Organization: EIEI-U

Category 4,  Topic 7
Message 187       Tue Dec 15, 1992
G.LEFAVE [Gene]              at 10:45 EST
 
  >> To: mhamrick@halite.edu
 >> Subject: Book titled "Threaded Interpreters"
 >> Room: comp.lang.forth
 >> Organization: Forked Tongue Software, inc.

>> book titled "Threded Interpreters" which explained the innerds of TI's. IT

Threaded Interpretive Languages
 R.G. Loeliger

BYTE BOOKS, 1981, ISBN:0-07-038360-X



Gene

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From: lcd@ais.org (Leon Dent)
Subject: Re: Yerk/Mops Manuals
Organization: UMCC
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 09:14:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.225158.2717@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com> brad@titan.austin.ibm.com  (Brad Garton) writes:
>Would it be possible for someone to send me a copy of the Yerk 
>Manuals and/or Mops manuals as a postscript file? I would
>greatly appreciate it. 
>

Pointers to a postscript Yerk manual would appreciated by me also!

Leon Dent
lcd@ais.org
From: sorry no email address (Peters, Randolph)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth.mac
Subject: multi windows, pocket forth
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:39:34 GMT
Followup-To: comp.lang.forth.mac
Organization: Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania


In regards to multiple windows in pocket forth, I figured out the answer to
the question I asked last week; since there seem to be a few pocket
forthers
out there, I thought this post might be of general interest.

( general use window words )
: select ( windowptr -- ) 2>r ,$ a91f  ; ( _SelectWindow )
: set    ( windowptr -- )   2>r ,$ a873 ; ( _SetPort )
: show   ( windowptr -- ) 2>r ,$ a915 ;   ( _ShowWindow )
: >front ( windowptr -- ) 2dup select set ;

: nuw 
    0 0 2>r   128 >r   0 0 2>r   -1 s>d 2>r  
    ( rstack: 0L resid 0L -1L )
    ,$ a9bd  ( _GetNewWindow )
    ( rstack: windowptr )
    2r>  2dup show 2dup >front ;

0 +md 2@      2constant w1 ( forth window )
nuw           2constant w2 ( test window )

: d=  ( double1 double2 -- bool ) 
   rot = rot rot = and ; 

: hello ." Hello" cr ;
: goodbye ." Goodbye" cr ;

: evtwindow ( -- windowptr ) 150 +md 2@ ;

: myact ( bool -- )
    if ( becoming active )
         evtwindow w2 d= if   w2 >front    hello     then
    else ( becoming inactive )
         evtwindow w2 d= if   goodbye  w1 >front   then
    then ;

page

' myact 12 +md ! ( install new activate event handler )


Please note that if you want to install event-loop code in the activate
handler, then put it where "hello" goes above; it should be in the form 
of a loop that exits when a deactivation event is posted (so you could
also set a flag or something during activation and deactivation, which 
will be tested inside the loop). This way, when your window is activated,
the associated code will be invoked.

 
 Randolph M. Peters
 3rd Floor Silverstein Suite C
 Hosp of the Univ of Pennsylvania
 Philadelphia PA 19104
Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth.mac
From: jimlynch@netcom.com (Jim Lynch)
Subject: Re: multiple windows in pocket forth
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 08:30:30 GMT

The difference between the implementation complexity of the PICK word and a 
general multiwindow facility (especially in the absence of toobox bindings)
is staggering... The only reason I use(d) pocketforth is to create a set of
operations over matrixes for my precalculus class.

While this was easy and quick and while I will continue to monitor this news-
group, I'm going back to my C work and play (which includes trying to port
a free, portable C/C++/Objective-C compiler to my mac.)
From: striepe@apple.com (Harald Striepe)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth.mac
Subject: Whatever happened to MACH
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:59:14 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In the past, I have used MACH Forth from Palo Alto Shipping. Does anybody know,
whatever happened to those guys?

IUd love to see updates of this version, which was quite fast.

Harald
Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth.mac
From: bible@iastate.edu (Anthony E Bible)
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to MACH
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:42:18 GMT

In article <34029@goofy.apple.COM> striepe@apple.com (Harald Striepe) writes:
>In the past, I have used MACH Forth from Palo Alto Shipping. Does anybody know,
>whatever happened to those guys?
>
>IUd love to see updates of this version, which was quite fast.
>
>Harald

Excerpted from comp.lang.forth FAQ:

    I can recommend Mach2 Forth for the Macintosh.
    Its strong points are:
    1. inexpensive.
    2. stable.
    3. compiles to machine code so its quick.
    4. straightforward access to the Mac toolbox.
    5. menu selected templates mean windows and
      menus etc. are easy to make for the beginner.
    6. standard syntax machine code assembler.
    7. the novice programmer does not have to worry
      about implementing the Mac event loop.

    Weak points are:
    1. a rudimentary built in text editor.
    2. the Mac event loop is handled by an IO task running
      under the multitasker. This makes extensions to
      the event loop conceptually difficult.
    3. development has ceased but it will be
      supported for later Mac System releases.

    This is available mail order from:
    MacTutor,1250 N. Lakeview, Suite O, Anaheim, California 92807
    call (714) 777 1255 for credit cards
    price $90.00



Assuming Mach2 and MACH are the same critters, it doesn't sound like there are
any updates in the offing.  A call might verify if they have a more current
version than you do.



Regards,
tony
Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
From: Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca (Nick Janow)
Subject: Re: Documenting
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 00:57:52 GMT

penev@venezia (Penio Penev) writes:

> <clean, self-documenting list of screens>
>
> Try to have this with files. And talk about documentation afterwards.

I see no reason why it can't be done with a regular text editor capable of
collapsing text.  Clicking on a word or heading would open up the next level
of information.  Written properly (in Forth, of course (-: ), it could offer
all sorts of options for viewing the program and documentation.

The ability to get a list of program modules is not a benefit limited to
BLOCKS.  BLOCKS are great for minimal systems, due to their simplicity.  I
can't remember seeing a good argument for BLOCKS on a larger system, except
for programmers who want to continue the practices they developed with
BLOCKS.

--

Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
From: jimlynch@netcom.com (Jim Lynch)
Subject: Re: Forth books (was "ANS Forth")
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 00:13:46 GMT

Sorry for the flame, but...

In my (non-lawyer) opinion, the titles are not equal or anything close to it.
To claim so is a bunch of BS. You don't see anyone complaining about the number
of books that start with the word 'the' do you? Do you think that such books
would be thought of as being in the same series? UP WAKE COFFEE SMELL AND <ret>

-Jim "DUMP DROP FLUSH" Lynch
From: jacobsen@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Joel Jacobsen)
Subject: Any PD forth for CP/M-86 ?
Organization: ITEX, Jerusalem, Israel
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 16:03:18 GMT


 I need a PD forth for CP/M-86 for using the GSX capabilities on a 
DEC rainbow. Any help?

      Joel
From: jpeters@wet.COM (John A. Peters)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
Subject: Mail readers
Date: 27 Dec 92 19:51:15 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

Greetings

I am relatively new with internet.  Is there a better place to
post this question?

I have seen some references to a "TIN" mail reader.  Is there any
information about a mail reader that works with Internet and
resides on a DOS machine?

I am looking for any of the features of SLMR or OLX 

1) Off line reply, and bulk upload to proper areas.
3) E-mail address filled in automatically.
4) Ability to save formatted messages to a file.
5) Ability to collect or group messages of similar interest.
6) Quick Zipped up and down loads to save connect time.
7) Off line ability to join or drop conferences.
8) Any of the above.

The closest I have come was the Computer Continuum in SF which
has closed.  There is a Computer Continuum in LA but I am looking
for a local connection.  This BBS does offer Forth in the QWK
format.

I am am a member of Wet Ware, but my accesses is very manual. 
The best I can do is the following

RN   \ read news
     \ it offers comp.lang.forth first thanks to the sysop
Y    \ Yes I do want to read it
     \ it gives me the first screen of the mail
.-$ |CAT
     \ .  tells it to send my unread messages
     \ I capture it in to a buffer
     \ I have to remember to..
C    \ tells it to catch up and mark all messages as read
     \ I go off line to read it with LIST.COM which does not
     \ offer any help with replies or collecting messages.

It works, but once you have tried a off line mail reader you will
be spoiled as am I, so that is why I am asking for help with
automating these functions or better yet notification of a BBS
that supports QWK mail packets.





John A. Peters
(415)239-5393 preferred
From: bevan@cs.man.ac.uk (Stephen J Bevan)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
Subject: Re: Forth for Sparc and other Unix based computers
Date: 1 Jan 93 22:37:16 GMT
	<1992Dec14.130553.11948@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>
	<1htmebINN819@bang.hal.COM> <1i20irINNecr@life.ai.mit.edu>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Manchester
In-reply-to: mikc@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu's message of 1 Jan 93 17:55:39 GMT

In article <1i20irINNecr@life.ai.mit.edu> mikc@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Mike Coughlin) writes:
   >Stephen J Bevan (bevan@cs.man.ac.uk) wrote:
   >: where am I supposed to get a FREE native code Forth
   >: system for SPARCstations?  With so many implementations of other
   >: languages available for free, I have a tough time justifying the
   >: purchase of a Forth system.

      There are versions of Forth that are designed to run on any Unix 
   workstation. They are written in "C" for portability. For a "free" one,
   try TILE from the GNU collection of programs. Of course you will have
   to spend time instead of money compiling it and getting it to work.

It compiles without a glitch on a SPARC, but it fails the second
criterion i.e. it isn't a _native_ code FORTH.  If you are wondering
why it has to be native, see the message I was responding to (back on
the 9th of Dec).


      For a commercial Forth that runs on SPARCstations, try Sun Forth or
   C Forth from Bradley Forthware, P. O. Box 4444, Mountain View, CA 94040.
   It is similar to the boot prom on SPARCstations (same author) but it 
   will do a lot more than just boot or debug your computer.

These fail the second criterion i.e. they aren't _free_ (though I am
tempted to get one of them for my personal use).

bevan