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From: tab@tfs.com (Theresa Breckon)
Subject: Re: Water Polo for Amatuers (sp)
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:24:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.042924.22605@webo.dg.com> fishman@tracker.rtp.dg.com (Mike Fishman) writes:
>
>I think I'd just better answer "at a YMCA somewhere 30 miles out of Boston MASS.
>(I'm afraid of a crowd at MY first week to check this game out)

A "crowd" at a Y waterpolo practice? Right! A crowd at a USA National team
practice is unusual.

>I think this is very usefull information.. I hope to keep my hands up, my suit
>on and my goggles on!

No goggles. The first time your face comes in contact (accidentally of course)
with a fist or a head-butt, your face will either get bruised, maybe even
cut, or your goggles will get knocked off. Not to mention the fog
element and not being able to see.

Try contacts. The new Acuvue throw-aways work great (~5$ a contact). Bring
some extras to games, practices. During swim warmup, wear your goggles. 
Before polo warmup, take them off and put your head under water a couple
of times (eyes shut), opening your eyes when your head pops out of the water.
This will help the contact to suck onto your eyeball so they don't wash out
the first time you are splashed in the face.

OR, get the prescription glasses that are made especially for water sports.
They fit better on your face, are bigger than goggles, no fogging,
and cut down the risk of getting cut/bruised or having them knocked off.

>
>>Be sure to wear some sort of speedos, the only required equipment.
>>
>But.. what will the women wear?.. Did I mention that this is a co-ed "Y"?>

Women wear speedos too (or Arenas, Champions, TYRs). What do you think
their suits are called? Jeez.

>Wish me luck.. SUNDAY's the day.. I'll report on things as time permits..

Good luck. You'll have a blast.

-Theresa Breckon
 Women's Vice President
 United States Waterpolo, Inc.
From: luebke5317@iscsvax.uni.edu (Phil Luebke)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Goggles -- Misting AND Fit
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:31:25 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

This is in response to the two different postings asking about goggles.

First of all:
Yes, there are solutions that you can apply to your goggles that will
supposedly keep them fog-free.  I have seen them in stores next to the goggles
and in "Swimming World."  HOWEVER, you can also buy anti-fog goggles which are
not much more expensive than regular ones, and you don't need to reapply any
solution.  If you don't want to spend money, you can use your own spit (saliva
isn't a much nicer term).  It doesn't last as long, so you'd better be plenty
hydrated :)

Secondly:
As far as goggle fit goes, I have found that goggles (like shoes) need to be
broken in.  After a few weeks of swimming, the foam will be better conformed to
your face.  It's still tough to find ones that work, however.  You may want to
experiment with different goggle types.  If the typical small oval ones don't
work for you, it's possible that "bug-eyes" are more your fit.  You say they
leak particularly on the start and turns, so it's also possible that you don't
have the proper head position.  Make sure your hands are together and your head
tucked in both cases.  This should help.

                                        Happy swimming,
                                                -Phil
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Date: Tue,  6 Oct 1992 21:43:02 -0400 
From: Kirsten Buttler <kb3u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Goggle recommandation?
	<1992Oct6.171634.8754@m.cs.uiuc.edu>

>Chuck Amsler <U52809@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> 
>>Based on a thread that went throuth this newsgroup a few months ago, I
picked-
>>up a pair of Speedo "Sweedish" goggles a few weeks ago.  They have no foam or
>>rubber seal and take a bit of getting used to, ...
> 
>What DO they have to make a seal?
> 
>-Larry Watanabe watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu

They stick by suction to your face.  The first time I wore a pair, they
hurt, but it was worth it to have goggles that don't leak.  The only
trick is finding the exact sizing for the nosepiece (a piece of string
and a small piece of rubber tubing).

Kirsten Buttler
kb3u+@andrew.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: tab@tfs.com (Theresa Breckon)
Subject: Re: USMS convention highlights
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:39:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.162324.24590@morrow.stanford.edu> paque@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Julie Paque) writes:
>Here are a few highlights from the Unites States Masters Swimming
>convention held in Minneapolis last week:

How about the fun stuff? At the conventions I've been at, the Masters
group always put on the funniest skit at the awards dinner (although
a couple of years ago Waterpolo gave them a run). How about a recap
of the skits performed?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: paque@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Julie Paque)
Subject: USMS convention highlights
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:23:24 GMT

Here are a few highlights from the Unites States Masters Swimming
convention held in Minneapolis last week:


-Short course nationals, Santa Clara, CA May 20-23, 1993:  If you
want to swim more than three events (excluding relays) you will have
to make qualifying times.  The qualifying times will be available in
about a month.

-Bids were awarded for 1994 short course nationals to Tempe, Arizona
and for 1994 long course nationals to Buffalo, NY.

-the rules for relays were tightened up so that a relay must swim in
the age group determined by the youngest swimmer (for short course yards).
In other words, if your youngest swimmer is 26, you must swim in the 25+
age group, you cannot swim in the 19+ age group.  For long course the age 
groups are now capped, i.e., 76-79, 100-119, 120-159, etc.

-you HAVE to enter the warm-up area in a meet feet-first with at least one
hand in contact with the pool deck or gutter.  You can only dive into the
designated sprint lanes.

-there will be no increase in the national portion of the USMS dues, and
Swim Magazine will remain part of the package.

-the proposal for one event registration did not pass, but will be 
examined again, I am sure.

Many other items were dealt with, these are just a few highlights.

Julie
Rule Book Editor 

Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: James Peters <peters@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: Swimmers Shampoo
Originator: peters@mikey.convex.com
Reply-To: peters@convex.COM (James Peters)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 17:21:49 GMT
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In article <1apsd6INNscq@agate.berkeley.edu> sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.164856.25867@webo.dg.com> fishman@tracker.rtp.dg.com (Mike Fishman) writes:
>#>On a related note, anyone want to recommend a good shampoo or conditioner
>#>that REALLY washes out the clorine? Preferably commercially available and
>#>not $100 per ounce...
>
>The best thing I've tried is Redken's Climatress,
>available in beauty shops. It is somewhat expensive--
>though you don't need much--and you have to leave
>it on for about 5 minutes. Since I'm fairly bald,
>I've stopped using it. Baldness is probably the
>best solution for men. (:<{)
>
>Incidentally, Consumer Reports periodically evaluates
>shampoos and concludes that they are all based on essentially
>the same ingredients. They recommend buying the cheapest.
>I find the cheapest and easiest thing to use is a shampoo/
>conditioner combination.

my personal favorite is paul mitchell #3 really good stuff. i use 
ultra swim when travelling for almost every triathlon has ultra
swim shampoo and conditioner trial sizes as giveaways.

take care,
james, peters@convex.com
From: hbtnn@gruc11.nor.chevron.com (Brian Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: watches
Keywords: timing pace
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:54:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Chevron

In article <leigh.717782604@wrs.com>, leigh@wrs.com (Leigh Barker) writes:
|> watanabe@sunflower.cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe) writes:
|> 
|> >I am thinking of buying a watch for timing myself in the pool.
|> >I am very short-sighted, so unless I get a lane very close to the 
|> >pace-clock it is difficult to time myself.
|> 
|> >It is also handy to be able to read the time if I need to meet
|> >someone afterwards.
|> 
|> >-Larry Watanabe
|> 
|> I use one of the inexpensive Casio's. I`ve had 3 in the last 10
|> years, and they generally cost on the order of $20. They have 5
|> functions, including stopwatch.
|> 
|> Of course, since I got my new prescription Speedo's at Big5, I
|> can see the pace clock, but the watch is a habit by now.
|> 
|> Leigh
|> --
This is the way I went.  
don't worry about the beeps:  you can't hear them under HOH, and if you're
using a count down timer (my personal favorite function) and watching
for it you can get it on the first or second beep.
As for operating the buttons under water:  just lift you arm out and
give it a shake, then press the button:  worked for me.

The only problem I've had with my Casioes is that no one 'localy' will
can replace water tight seals or put them back together after changing
batteries :^(.

Brian
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Goggle recommandation?
From: rule@kenyon.edu
Date: 26 Sep 92 13:45:43 -0500
Organization: Kenyon College

In article <1992Sep25.051301.24867@news.columbia.edu>, hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu) writes:
> Swimmers,
> 
> I've tried quite a few goggles, but haven't found a perfect one yet.  They
> always leak at the jump start (or what ta ya call it) or at pushing off the
> wall.  I'm wondering what models the competative swimmers waer.  Please 
> recommand what's good for you.
> Tnx a ton.
> Happy swimming,

I usually use just an ordinary pair of goggles, but here's a few tricks.
Put the strap near the top of your head.  This increases the pressure on your
eyes a little, but not to the point of excrutiating pain.  I never EVER wear
goggles during a meet, but I usually were them in practice.  So, a goggle type
really doesn't matter, it's the way you wear them that is.  ALso there are
goggles out there that you can buy that can be specially molded just for your
face.  I personally don't want to pay that much for a pair of goggles. But
whatever floats your boat!


John Rule
DA RULES!  
The only way to swim is mindlessly!

Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Subject: Re: Swimmers Shampoo
Reply-To: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 04:39:40 GMT

kathys@meaddata.com (Kathy Henke) writes:
>That's it! "Ultra Swim" Thanks for reminding me!  Well, if everyone else feels
>the same about it as you do, that would explain why none of the stores carry it

I used it this summer, and don't think it's any better than the free soap
supplied by the gym.  I'm no picky person and the shampoos I use are usually
the cheapest.  But, "Ultra Swim" is the worse than any soap and shampoo I've
used.

>but then I usually lose my shampoo
>in the locker room before the bottle is half empty.  As for smell, that's
I was very glad when that happened to my "Ultra Swim", 'cause I couldn't
find a way of disposing it without feeling guilty for being wasteful.  Now
I'm back to the FREE shampoo supplied by Columbia.

>the least of my worries, and it sure beats the smell of vinegar (which 
Actually, if you put your arm under your nose 1/2 hour after using 
"Ultra Swim" you might smell vinegar, or its cousin.

Just my opinions,
Harry Xu  (KB2LHA)        hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: hamilton@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (hamilton russell j)
Subject: Where can I swim in St. Louis?
Summary: Swimming in St. Louis
Keywords: St. Louis
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:43:04 GMT



  I'll be in St. Louis from October 15-17 for a conference at
  Washington University. Is there a masters swim team there or
  nearby that I could workout with while I'm there? I'm 31, 
  and typically do intervals sets of 1000 yds averaging 1:25/100yds,
  if that matters.

  Thanks,

  Russ
From: watanabe@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Swimmers Shampoo
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:57:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: m.1992Oct2.195744.24649
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

kathys@meaddata.com (Kathy Henke) writes:

>Last summer I tried some shampoo for swimmers that was made by Arena and 
>it removed chlorine better than anything else I've ever tried.
>Now I can't seem to find it in any of the local sporting goods shops.
>Does anyone else either know how I can order it directly from Arena, or
>know of a store that carries it?  Thanks for any help! 

>-- 
>  Kathy Henke                           :  
>  Fabrication Automation & Enhancement  :  If you're not part of the solution,
>  Mead Data Central                     :  you're part of the precipitate.
>  kathys@meaddata.com                   :  

We have ultra swim at Walgreen's. I think NEXUS also makes something
to take out chlorine.

It was slightly cheaper at the PharMore store.

You can also get it at some hair-cutting places.

I have been using ultra swim for about a month, but am not too
sure if it is any better than normal shampoo. There still seems
to be a lot of chlorine in my hair.

-Larry Watanabe
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: dsmith@atlastele.com (Doug Smith)
Subject: Re: Goggles -- Misting AND Fit
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:57:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.153126.7141@iscsvax.uni.edu> luebke5317@iscsvax.uni.edu (Phil Luebke) writes:
[...]
>Yes, there are solutions that you can apply to your goggles that will
>supposedly keep them fog-free.  I have seen them in stores next to the goggles
>and in "Swimming World."  HOWEVER, you can also buy anti-fog goggles which are
>not much more expensive than regular ones, and you don't need to reapply any
>solution.  


I have two pairs of Speedo anti-fog goggles. My first workout in each
pair was fog free, but I experienced heavy fogging in the second workout.
I now use an anti-fog solution.

Do other brands of 'anti-fog' work as described?

--Doug Smith
  dsmith@atlastele.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: kaminsky-david@CS.YALE.EDU (David Kaminsky)
Subject: Re: Water Polo for Amatuers (sp)
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 18:33:02 GMT

	I have very bad vision and wear my contacts (and good 
goggles) when I lap swim.  What can a person with bad vision do 
when playing water polo?  I would think that goggles can easily be 
dislodged while playing.

Thanks,
David
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: culverma@milton.u.washington.edu (Real life? Yeah right!)
Subject: Re: Water Polo for Amatuers (sp)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 04:09:57 GMT


Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: paque@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Julie Paque)
Subject: Re: USMS convention highlights
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:36:34 GMT

In article <1af7uiINNib2@male.EBay.Sun.COM> timc@sunpool.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>
>In article 24590@morrow.stanford.edu, paque@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Julie Paque) writes:
>>Here are a few highlights from the Unites States Masters Swimming
>>convention held in Minneapolis last week:
>>
>> <...stuff deleted...>
>>
>>-the rules for relays were tightened up so that a relay must swim in
>>the age group determined by the youngest swimmer (for short course yards).
>>In other words, if your youngest swimmer is 26, you must swim in the 25+
>>age group, you cannot swim in the 19+ age group.  For long course the age 
>>groups are now capped, i.e., 76-79, 100-119, 120-159, etc.
>>
>> <...stuff deleted...>
>
>
>Julie,
>
>Why the difference in rules between short course and long course?  Does it
>have anything to do with US Masters vs. international Masters?
>
>Tim

There are two reasons, and they come up at convention every year:
1) FINA, the international organization for swimming, will only recognize
relay records down with the aggregate age system (76-99, 100-119, etc.)
2) The "youngest swimmer method" allows a group of 35 year olds to be
at the bottom of their age group for short course yards, while a group
of 30 years olds would be at the bottom of the aggregate age group.

Julie
From: fog@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Larry Fogelquist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Lake Swimming/Open Water Swimming
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:09:56 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

This item looks like it could/should be cross posted to rec.boats.
From: hunt@shy.umd.edu (Brian Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Water Polo for Amatuers (sp)
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:28:13 GMT
Distribution: usa

dennis@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Dennis Schulze) writes:
>In <1992Sep26.183302.26831@cs.yale.edu> kaminsky-david@CS.YALE.EDU (David Kaminsky) writes:
>>	I have very bad vision and wear my contacts (and good 
>>goggles) when I lap swim.  What can a person with bad vision do 
>>when playing water polo?  I would think that goggles can easily be 
>>dislodged while playing.
>
>I use soft contacts and it works very well. I wear them since almost
>two years every time I have training or a match and I never lost them.
>
>I can't imagine to play waterpolo with goggles because the danger
>of injuries is quite high...

I agree, playing w/ normal swim goggles is generally considered to be
a bad idea--not that I know of anyone being injured this way, but I've
seen people end up in tears after games (due to poor water quality)
rather than wear goggles.

Soft contacts alone are probably ideal if they work for you, but I
know several people who are happy with what they call "rec-specs"--
oversize prescription goggles much like the ones worn by some NBA
players.  Others with bad vision manage to play without any eyewear.

Brian Hunt
hunt@ipst.umd.edu
From: zuniga@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Ralph Zuniga (FREAC/CAR))
Subject: Treatment for swimmer's ear
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 13:30:45 GMT


	I'm starting to suffer from what seems to be a small fungus
infection in my left ear, swimmer's ear.

	Does anyone have any recommendations for treatment?  I'd prefered
home treatments but prescription medication is fine also.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: James Peters <peters@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: Lake Swimming/Open Water Swimming
Originator: peters@mikey.convex.com
Reply-To: peters@convex.COM (James Peters)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:45:23 GMT
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In article <1992Sep30.155858.5571@das.harvard.edu> stewart@geophysics.harvard.edu writes:
>
>Why do power boats always take precedence over swimmers?
>
>A couple years ago, the Ithaca Times ran a story about a
>police officer with the duty of zooming around in a power
>boat in order to police other power boat users.  
>
>The only two swimming areas on Lake Cayuga are two pathetic
>little 75 yard swimming areas, with power-boat launches on 
>either side.  
>
>Still, people like to swim across the lake because its a mile
>wide.  Usually a little dinghy with an "egg-beater" engine
>will accompany.
>
>Mr. Serve and Protect Police officer offered in his interview
>with the Ithaca times that this was "stupid" of the swimmers.
>to endanger themselves this way, what with all the power boats
>who of course had the god-given RIGHT to zoom around at top
>speed.
>
>Personally, I think that power-boat owners are a whole lot
>more stupid than swimmers, what with the way they pollute the
>water, endanger themselves and others zooming around on tiny
>little lakes stoked up on a sixpack of beer....really now,
>who is the stupid party here?
>
>I think it's stupid to even allow power-boats on lakes at
>all, since it endangers swimmers, fish, algae, kayakers and
>canoeists.  
>
>So where are the militant lake swimmers?  Are we here, or what?
>
>Ban the Boats,
>
>Cheryl

in open water swimming having an escort boat is a fact of life, not
a luxury but a necessity. i would not have attempted to swim around
manhattan without an escort boat especially on the east river which
is a rather busy shipping channel. an escort boat is required by the
manhattan island swimming assoc, english channel, boston harbor...etc.

this sounds an awful lot like the bike vs car debate. a biker may be
in the right but if he ends up as a hood ornament it is a rather moot
point.

my two cents.

real men don't wear rubber but they do swim with escort boats,
james, peters@convex.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: kathys@meaddata.com (Kathy Henke)
Subject: Re: Swimmers Shampoo
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:33:42 GMT
Distribution: usa

That's it! "Ultra Swim" Thanks for reminding me!  Well, if everyone else feels
the same about it as you do, that would explain why none of the stores carry it
anymore.  I guess since my hair is fairly course, the chlorine coats it 
more heavily.  Frankly, most shampoos don't wash out the chlorine as completely
as Ultra Swim.

I can't say I ever had any broken bottles, but then I usually lose my shampoo
in the locker room before the bottle is half empty.  As for smell, that's
the least of my worries, and it sure beats the smell of vinegar (which 
someone else recommended a while ago).

Maybe I'm just a sucker for good advertising, but I'm convinced Ultra Swim
works best for me, so please do send the number if you can.  Thanks!

In article <BvGMM9.FHz@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen) writes:
|> Are you talking about Ultra Swim?  I once used the stuff when I was little
|> but I found that any shampoo and conditioner would work better.  The only
|> thing you have to remember is that the longer you swim, the longer you keep
|> the conditioner in.  I usually wait about a minute before washing it out.
|> 
|> More about Ultra Swim: my hair never felt as good as it did with almost any
|> other shampoo and conditioner, the bottle would ALWAYS break somehow in my
|> bag (I wonder if they ever fixed that problem) and it didn't smell very 
|> good to me.  This is all just my opinion of course.
|> 
|> If you really want it anyway, I'll post some phone numbers later, if I can
|> find some old catalogs.  Does anyone else have any numbers?
|> 

-- 
  Kathy Henke                           :  
  Fabrication Automation & Enhancement  :  If you're not part of the solution,
  Mead Data Central                     :  you're part of the precipitate.
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