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From: ddj+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: MONEY + Linux
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:10:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BzEyD3.23J.2
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Dec17.033917.2963@midway.uchicago.edu> goer@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Can Linux go on forever without some commercial support?  I mean,
>it's hard to see anything as useful that's maintained by folks that
>aren't doing it for a living - at least the size of a 386 UNIX
>implementation.  Is there some way that a useful remuneration path
>can be arranged.  E.g. could universities be site-licensed, thereby
>gaining the right to have attention paid to their bugs and config-
>uration problems, and to receive regular updates?

A commercial support organization like this already exists!  This is
the sort of thing Cygnus Support exists for.  A university could,
right now, contact Cygnus about a support contract for Linux.
Individuals are also free to provide the same service.  Are you saying
you think there needs to be a single central source for such support?
Why?

Does anyone from Cygnus want to comment on this?  Does anyone from
Cygnus read comp.os.linux?
-- 
Doug DeJulio
ddj+@cmu.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:49:05 EST
From: Dan the Man <DED110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Always IN2000 SCSI card.

     Anybody gotten it to work yet?  Let me know before I go attacking the
company demanding source code.  I'll summarize if I get anything interesting.

                                                 Dan the Man
 Peace, Love, and Tater Tots!            Average uninvolved, apathetic
                                         (independent), misunderstood
                                         [PC|VM] bonehead weenie.
From: dingbat@diku.dk (Niels Skov Olsen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: How stable is extended filesystem?
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:16:25 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

Conrad_Nobili@Harvard.EDU (Conrad C. Nobili) writes:

>In article <1gm5rrINNb01@life.ai.mit.edu>, mycroft@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu
>(Charles Hannum) wrote:

>> If you don't *need* extfs, and don't mind short file names, I would
>> recommend not using it for now.

>Hmmmm....  Maybe some of you *have* been using DOS too long....  I guess
>14-character file names must be quite a luxury to you...!  ;-)  I would say
>that *this limitation alone* is why you *need* extfs....  To say nothing
>about constantly having to redistribute all your dinky little file systems
>when they fill up....  Maybe some of you *like* that aspect of system
>administration....  I always figured that was what we had *operators* for
>(the dirty-but-easy work)....  ;-)

I agree. Long filenames is far more important than speed issues to me.
I like to have sources on-line, and many distributions come with long
filenames, which can make a *hell* out of recompiling.

>Anyway, I must say that I have had no problems whatsoever with extfs since
>I first started using linux half a year ago.  I guess that was with extfs
>version alpha.6 or so.  I recommend it.

The only problem I ever had was with directory handling under 0.97 or so. 
This is now history.

Niels
From: gkahn@anagld.analytics.com (Gary Kahn)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: mboot
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:11:18 GMT
Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation - Systems Engineering Division

mliggett@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Mister Wizard) writes:
>The README.rootdisk file for HJ Lu's bootable root disk says that
>you can use the MSDOS program mboot.com
>to boot your linux partition.  But it seems to only handle
>multiple autoexec.bat/config.sys combinations on the same
>partition. 

To use MBOOT (a free program distributed by PC Magazine in Vol 10 Number 4),
you also need a program called BOOTLIN.  I'm using v1.3.  Sorry, I don't have
the name of the author handy, but the program is free.  BOOTLIN loads
the linux kernel from the MS-DOS commandline.  To use it with MBOOT, use
your ordinary CONFIG.SYS as the DOS version.  For the LINUX partition,
boot from the MS-DOS partition using a statement something like
SHELL=c:\BOOTLIN BOOT986.HD
as the only line in the alternate CONFIG.SYS file.  The full instructions
are included with BOOTLIN and MBOOT.  The system ends up requiring
that your linux kernel "Image" file be stored somewhere in your DOS
partition.  It's was a snap to install.  Just make sure that you have
v1.3 or later of BOOTLIN.  If you have any questions, please e-mail.

Gary Kahn

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: maniac@unlv.edu (Eric J. Schwertfeger)
Subject: Shadow Passwords.  What are they?
Organization: Too many
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 19:39:56 GMT


When I recently installed 0.99, over a 0.97p?, I startet getting an
error message when logging in as any user I created with the adduser
command.  It basically says that there is no shadow password for that
user. 

Now, I haven't seen any references to just what shadow passwords are,
so could someone please explain what they are and how to use them.

-- 
Eric J. Schwertfeger, maniac@cs.unlv.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: cibu@rubens.uni-paderborn.de (Andrej Cibula)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: MS-DOS under LINUX
Date: 15 Dec 1992 18:40:28 +0100
Organization: Universitaet Paderborn, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: rubens.uni-paderborn.de


Hi all.

I realy want to use linux. But what is with all my MS-DOS datas?
Can I use the MS-DOS-programs under linux? Probably not.
What's with an emulation or something else?

Ciao
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Andrej Cibula : University Paderborn : United Germany    <cibu@uni-paderborn.de>
From: delman@mipg.upenn.edu (Delman Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Questions about X: emacs, xdm...
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:20:31 GMT
	<1992Dec8.123846.59@amoeba.stgt.sub.org> <pdhatchm.724087304@syzygy>
	<1gag2aINNmvf@tamsun.tamu.edu>
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, USA.
In-reply-to: ail8070@tamuts.tamu.edu's message of 11 Dec 92 16:36:26 GMT

In article <1gag2aINNmvf@tamsun.tamu.edu> ail8070@tamuts.tamu.edu (Andy I. Liaw) writes:

   I have managed to get X running now.  I have a few questions (not problems):

   1. Once I started xdm, how do I get out of it?

   2. How do I get emacs to run in a window by itself (which is what it supposed
   to do)?  I tried emacs myfile & and it went into bg in the xterm I was in,
   instead of opening up another window.

   3. Which dot file is the one that specifies what xprog get executed when
   X starts?  How do I specify the position and size of these progs (e.g.
   xclock, xeyes, xlogo, etc)  Can anyone send me a sample?

ANSWERS:
1. Login as root, and kill it I guess.

2. Get, for example,
   tsx-11.mit.edu:pub/linux/packages/emacs-18.59/x11emacs-bin-18.59a.tar.Z 

3. ~/.xinitrc

Hope this helps --- Delman.

--
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: redlel@barh1a.its.rpi.edu (Lorenz Wolfgang Redlefsen)
Subject: Re: SLS install problem with disk a2
Keywords: SLS install a2
Reply-To: redlel@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensseltute Polylaer Institechnic
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 05:27:30 GMT


	Ummm...

	did you "rawrite" disk a2 to a floppy? Or alternatively, dd it?

	Lorenz
	redlel@rpi.edu


Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: ammo@cc.gatech.edu (Ammo Goettsch)
Subject: Re: Reposting announcements, default make file
Summary: a bad joke and an honest request
Keywords: default.mk
Reply-To: ammo@cc.gatech.edu (Ammo Goettsch)
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:14:36 GMT

Additionally, comp.os.linux should be changed to comp.os.obsession.linux to
improve the acronym :)

But seriously and unrelated, could somebody send me e-mail please and tell me
where the equivalent of default.mk (the default rules for make) are located on
linux? I tried make -DD to find out but that option is unsupported.

Forever grateful,

Ammo Goettsch  --- GVU Center --- Georgia Institute of Technology
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: pjl@Sandelman.OCUnix.on.ca (Paul Lahaie)
Subject: What happened to LARIX?
Organization: Sandelman Software Works, Debugging Department, Ottawa, ON
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:40:30 GMT


    Is there any plan, present or future to re-incorporate the dynamic device
drivers into Linux?  I had patched the kernel with it a few times, and it was
a very useful tool to have (less problems with missing features in kernel).

						- Paul






Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: ghenniga@NMSU.Edu
Subject: YANUI (Yet another new user inquiry!)?
Reply-To: ghenniga@NMSU.Edu
Organization: New Mexico State University - Electromagnetics Group
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 07:04:14 GMT

	Well, I decided to give Linux a shot, what with Christmas break and
all this free time on my hands!:)
	Anyway, I've had a couple of problems. I read the FAQ,
install.notes and the README that came with the SLS package but I still
have some questions I'm hoping some kind soul can help me with.
	As implied I'm using the SLS distribution and the result of a
'uname -a' on what I've gotten installed is:

		Linux "name" 0.98.pl5-41 12/01/92 i386

My hardware configuration is:

		Clone 486/33 ISA (Orchid Superboard 486/33)
		16MB RAM (64k RAM cache)
		Adaptec 1542B SCSI controller
		Maxtor LXT-200S 210MB SCSI hard drive
		Video: Farenheit 1280/D (LocalBus S3 based card)

	The first problem I encountered was partitioning my hard drive. I
wiped out what was on it before and I'm having trouble relating the
Heads/Cylinders/Sectors to what I have. The docs for my hard drive say it's
an "intelligent" device so what you use for the parameters doesn't matter
much. The problem is Linux does care what they are so I thought I'd use
some semi-arbitrary numbers:

		Cylinders: 1024
		Heads: 8
		Sectors: 50

	It accepted these but when I tried to do the mkfs step it told me I
had to specify less than 65536 blocks! Why? I had another error, which at
the moment escapes me, but I believe it was after the fdisk?
	My second question is, is there any SVGA support for my video card,
F1280 (S3 based)? I can't even get mono X support to work on my card. A
'startx', with X being configured for mono, appears to put my card in
graphics mode but then just locks up my machine, and this IS for mono
support since the color configuration gives me definate error messages and
exits X without locking up.
	Lastly, if I resolve the above problems I'd really like to have
Linux boot up directly from my hard drive. Can this be accomplished with
the "shoe" program mentioned in install.notes?

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!
Gary Hennigan
---------
PhD Student, Computational Electromagnetics
New Mexico State University
email: ghenniga@NMSU.Edu
From: ioi@widget.seas.upenn.edu (Ioi Kim Lam)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Help! How can I get just VGA?
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:04:22 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I am new to Linux. I've been trying to run X386 on my 486/33 but failed
miserably. I am using a Evolution VGA card from STB and could not find its
clore rates in modeDB.txt. I tried to mess around with the clock rates
myself, setting the chipset to be et4000, and finally it seemed that I
have got it right. I can see a stable screen (640x480). But the problem is
the driver does not seem to know the arrngement of the RAM in my card and
the output is messed up. The output is like this


 _________________________
|s        x         ______|
|__________________|s     |
|  x            __________|
|______________|s     x   |
|        _________________| 
|_______|s_________x______|


where s marks the beginning of the vider buffer and x is the mouse cursor.


I would appreciate if anyone can answer my questions:

	1) What chipset does Evolution VGA Card use? I got it in a bundle
from Insight Computer Inc, which I found in PC Megazine.

	2) If my card is not supported by X386, is there a way that I can
just run X in standard VGA (640 x 480 x 16color)? My X386 comes with SLS
distribution 0.98 in tsx-11.mit.edu (DEC 10, 1992). It just has modes
defined for VGA2 and VGA256.
	I would be quite satisfied with 640x480x2 color VGA, no virtual
desktop, no speed up and nothing else.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: johnsonm@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Michael K. Johnson)
Subject: Re: Serial communications problems
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN  USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:04:44 GMT


In article <1992Dec15.023931.6220@athena.mit.edu> tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o) writes:
      From: almesber@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Werner Almesberger)
      Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:34:23 GMT

      You're a bit too pessimistic here. I'm using such a driver to run all
      four COM ports and it does 2400 bps with a 16450 and 19200 bps with a
      16550A. 19200 bps gets a bit unreliable under load, but it's still
      acceptable for Zmodem. I'm polling at 300 Hz and it doesn't lower
      system performance very noticeably.

   Is this on Linux?  How are you polling at 300Hz, when the system clock
   ticks at 100Hz?

It's really not that hard to reprogram the clock for 300 Hz, and then
call do_timer() from your polling interrupt every third call.

michaelkjohnson
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: Sten M. Drescher <smd@hrt216.brooks.af.mil>
Subject: WD8003 problem resolved
Subject_was: Re: IMPORTANT [BUG in 0.99] Re: [ANNOUNCE]: linux version 0.99
Organization: AL/HRTI, Brooks AFB
	<1992Dec14.174625.1102@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
	<1992Dec14.201728.14054@tc.cornell.edu>
	<9212162226.AA03597@hrt216.brooks.af.mil>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:13:20 GMT

On Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:26:05 GMT, I <smd@hrt216.brooks.af.mil> said:

 Me> 	OK, now I have Linux booting from floppy.  On to the next
 Me> problem.  Our WD8003 boards are configured to use a base address of
 Me> 0x0380, not 0x0280.  When I leave the base address at 0x280, the
 Me> boot correctly says it can't find a board, and continues past.
 Me> However, when I change the base address to 0x0380 in
 Me> net/tcp/Space.h, Linux prints WD80013, and goes off into the night.
 Me> It doesn't reboot, it just hangs.  Any fixes, anyone?

	I want to thank Charles Fee and Birko Bergt for their messages
suggesting solutions.  I uncommented the #define FORCE_8BIT line in
linux/net/tcp/wereg.h as Birko suggested, and it booted fine.  Of
cource, once I told that to my accomplice in Linux hacking here, he said
'Yes!  That's what I had to do to get it to work before!  How could I
forget that?'  Maybe this should go into the Q&D README as a note for
WD8003 users?
-------------------------------+---------------------------------------------
Sten Drescher                  | There are men who seem like more than men.
2709 13th St #1248             | Living examples of what we could be if we
Brooks AFB, TX 78235-5224      | tried.  They are men of courage, compassion,
-------------------------------+ and justice.  On the other hand, there are
sdrescher@animal.brooks.af.mil | presidential candidates.
-------------------------------+---------------------------------------------
Looking for Marvel Masterpieces promo cards - email with offers.
From: hollan@INRS-Telecom.UQuebec.CA (Rene Hollan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: what's what in SLS
Keywords: SLS, patches
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:46:14 GMT
Organization: INRS Telecommunications

I've been following SLS releases of Linux for some time now, and am currently
running SLS Linux 0.98pl5.

I notice that more and more stuff is being bundled with SLS, some of it
containing README files from the original source, and patches. The README
files are a bit confusing since they sometimes refer to things that have to be
done (including applying patches) to install the package that SLS may have
ALREADY done. I therefore can't tell whether to apply patches or not. This
is particularly true of dosemu and NFS.

Could someone mail me (or post, if they feel it is warranted) a current
list of what the SLS release includes and in what STATE it is included (i.e.
bundled, installed, etc.)?

Much appreciated,

Rene Hollan
hollan@inrs-telecom.uquebec.ca
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: [KERNEL PATCH] Make the cursor BIG...
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:54:09 GMT

You know, I *hate* wimpy little blinking cursors.  Half the time, I have to
search the screen to find out where the syupid thing is.  I tried 386BSD a
while back, and one of the things that really impressed me was the BIG cursor.
I mean, you could SEE the thing!  So, in a pique of fury at the wimpy cursor
that linux gives us, I wrote a 9-byte .COM program to set my cursor before I
use bootlin to bring up linux.  But, I thought, what if I boot from floppy?
That I lose my lovely big cursor!  Not to fear, Ed is here! :)

So, what I did was work up this itsy-bitsy patch to linux to let me set
my cursor to something other than Mr. Wimp.  It works great on my monochrome
screen, and it should work great on any other terminal, too.  I'm not sure
about VGA/SVGA, though - if it doesn't, let me know and I'll think of
something.

I'd really like to see this thing make it into the next kernel - not in it's
present form, of course - it'd be nice to put the define in the top Makefile.

Here it is.  Short enough to be understandable by even the most neophyte
hardware hacker... :)
--------------------------------- cut here -----------------------------------
*** linux/kernel/chr_drv/Makefile.orig	Fri Dec 18 11:33:47 1992
--- linux/kernel/chr_drv/Makefile	Fri Dec 18 11:33:36 1992
***************
*** 29,35 ****
  	sync
  
  console.o: console.c
! 	$(CC) $(CFLAGS) -c -o console.o console.c
  
  keyboard.o: keyboard.c
  	$(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(KEYBOARD) -c -o keyboard.o keyboard.c
--- 29,35 ----
  	sync
  
  console.o: console.c
! 	$(CC) $(CFLAGS) -DBIG_CURSOR -c -o console.o console.c
  
  keyboard.o: keyboard.c
  	$(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(KEYBOARD) -c -o keyboard.o keyboard.c
*** linux/kernel/chr_drv/console.c.orig	Thu Dec  3 16:32:41 1992
--- linux/kernel/chr_drv/console.c	Fri Dec 18 11:24:05 1992
***************
*** 1320,1325 ****
--- 1320,1335 ----
  	}
  	currcons = fg_console = 0;
  
+ 	/* Make the cursor big if requested */
+ #ifdef BIG_CURSOR
+ 	outb_p(10, video_port_reg);
+ 	outb_p(0, video_port_reg+1);
+ 	outb_p(11, video_port_reg);
+ 	if(video_type == VIDEO_TYPE_MDA)
+ 		outb_p(13, video_port_reg+1);
+ 	else
+ 		outb_p(7, video_port_reg+1);
+ #endif
  	video_mem_start = video_mem_base;
  	video_mem_end = video_mem_term;
  	origin = video_mem_start;
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG     erc@apple.com, khijol!erc@saturn.upl.com       801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened,
and all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
seeker, therefore, is concerned with one thing only: to become aware of what
he already is, of the True Self within."  -- Zen maxim

-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

Who and what would you be if you went beyond your deepest fears?
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: goer@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz)
Subject: Re: MONEY + Linux
Reply-To: goer@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:29:25 GMT

jem@sunSITE.unc.edu (Jonathan Magid) writes:
>
>>This might seem to come out of the blue to people on this list, but
>>many, many people won't touch Linux because they don't see it as
>>"going anywhere" except into an endless chain of mixed expert and
>>amateurish accretions that can't possibly be maintained properly.
>
>hmm. if you want a serious conversation, I reccomend not accusing people
>who have probably together put some thousands of man (and woman) hours
>into the development, testing and organization of Linux of "amateurish
>accretions". It just ain't polite. 1/2 :)

My apologies.  Linus's work has been, by all accounts, nothing short
of remarkable.  But with all due respect, what do all the people who
maintain Linux do for a living that gives them the time to do this
sort of thing?  I know it sounds silly, but what if Linus gets married
or sick, or just gets tired of us :-)?  I really don't mean to insult
anyone.  I'm just unable to grasp what is going on here.  Maybe it
really is the best thing since sliced bread, and it just hasn't sunk
in yet!

Incidentally, for all you who wrote in saying, "Hey why not get involved
yourself?":  I'm a graduate student in Near Eastern Languages and Civili-
zations, just finishing a dissertation on Tiberian Hebrew.  I have some
hardware I could perhaps install Linux on (right now we're a Xenix/DOS
household).  If I were to get involved, how might I help out?

One of my fears is that Linux is really a hackers' tool.  I use UNIX as
a programming environment for linguistic research, using mostly C and
Icon.  I really don't care about the internals of the OS, except insofar
as they directly affect my research.  I'm not looking to have any fears
assuaged.  I'm curious, though, what the "grand plan" is for Linux.  Is
it supposed to end up replacing UNIX/386, or is it more like a really
neat Minix for people who have the time to fool with it?

-- 

   -Richard L. Goerwitz              goer%midway@uchicago.bitnet
   goer@midway.uchicago.edu          rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: laakkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Tero Laakkonen)
Subject: Old Binaries' Summary
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:28:31 GMT

i am one of those people who was still running a relatively old version of
linux (0.96c) until quite recently.

i upgraded to 0.99, and noticed that some of my old binaries were broken in
one way or other.

i decided to make a list of what was broken. this is only a start,
i'm going to provide follow-ups as i find new broken binaries...
anyway, the list is meant to be updated by it's readers; if you know
of a binary that is broken, please add it to the list. 


here it is:

---===------===------===------===------===------===------===------===---

binary		acquisition date		fault
======		================		=====

setterm		~ 92.07.10			stat()
tcsh		~ 92.07.10			stat()

---===------===------===------===------===------===------===------===---

if you have a broken binary that is newer than something that is on this
list and/or contains some other fault, 
please add it to the list in the following way (example with setterm):


setterm		~ 92.07.10			stat()
		~ 92.08.17			stat() + something_else
tcsh		...				...


ok, that's about it. if you post follow-up(s), feel free to delete stuff
liberally, as long as the summary between the '---===---' lines remains.


Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jem@sunSITE.unc.edu (Jonathan Magid)
Subject: Re: rz / sz cute version?
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:45:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.060746.7021@cc.gatech.edu> ammo@cc.gatech.edu (Ammo Goettsch) writes:
>does anyone have a "cute" version of rz, that for example uses curses or
>X to display decent download status messages, rather than the standard
>one-line-per-packet messages?
>
>Ammo Goettsch

there were patches written to give zmodem a nice X interface... they are
available on sunsite.unc.edu as /pub/Linux/X11/xutils/Xrz3D*

jem.
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