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From: Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Seagates
Distribution: world
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:44:26 EDT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

Seagate bought out what hat been CDC's disk drive operation -- meaning that
the high end Seagates have a different pedigree than the low end ones that
got the reputation of being slow, cranky, and susceptible to destruction. 
The CDC-ancestry drives were designed originally for supporting
supercomputers......  and were/are fast, large, reliable, and of very high
reputation.

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Supra sucks: Modem problems
Originator: shulick@navajo
Reply-To: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:23:19 GMT


Ok, so my modem stopped working after a lightning storm.  (It's a
V.32FAX).  There's no more dialtone, and I hear static noise, too.. so I
send it in to Supra to fix, and they send it back saying
it's repaired.  Bullshit.  I do "atdtxxxxxx" and there's 1) no dialtone
and 2) Some strange static garbage.  So I get a return authorization #
and send it back to get a new unit.  I got it back this morning, and
tried it out.  NOW there is a dialtone, and it dials, but there's still
this stupid static in the background!!!  And because of this static
noise, it won't connect at all.  Now is this my machine or my setup?  I
swear this modem worked fine before.  Have any of you experienced this?
It's really pissing me off, and I'm about to just send it in to get my
fucking money back.  Supra is one of the slowest and most inefficient
companies I've had to deal with.  It can't be any of the settings.. I
can't imagine any setting that would cause static - especially such
intense static as this.  Well, apparently Supra is braindead.. please
reply if you have any idea what's going on.  Thanks.

-- 
Sam Hulick          | "You can't discover new oceans unless you have the
shulick@indiana.edu | courage to lose sight of the shore."  --Anon.
(NeXTmail welcome)  |
From: Klaus_Seistrup@magneto.bbs.bad.se (Klaus Seistrup)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Request useless information...
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:20:40 GMT
Reply-To: Klaus_Seistrup@magneto.bbs.bad.se (Klaus Seistrup)
Organization: Magnetic Ink, Copenhagen N, Denmark
OD-Comment-To: Louis_Van_Dompselaar


  Hi Louis.

clldomps@cs.ruu.nl (Louis van Dompselaar) writes:

 LvD> What's the plural of Amiga?

Amigae (surely not Amigata, or?). :-)


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From: unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A. Inman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Betting on an A1800
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:51:37 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

hgm@ncsu.edu (Hal G. Meeks) writes:

>unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A. Inman) writes:


>>Just guesswork this, but Commodore seem to have left room for a machine between
>>the A1200, and the forthcoming A1500/2000 replacement.

>Yep. A big gap. 

>>My guess is that at some point, probably next year, a new low cost machine
>>(probably called the A1800) will appear at around the 500-700 pound price mark.

>No. It's called the 4000/30, and should be available very soon. In terms of
>US costs, it should weigh in at around $2200.00. As the name implies, it's a
>4000 with a 68030. Saves on tooling costs, since the AGA is an interim
>technology, and a new line of machines should show up in a couple of years.

I am talking about a LOW COST machine, that would compete with the Falcon, and
the '486's.   There is the room for it, and it does make sense to come in with a
better machine at the 500 - 700 pound mark.   The above machine does not fill
this middle ground.

>They will keep making the 2000 and 600 as long as they can sell them. The
>600 is the C64 of the 90's, and the 2000 is needed for those "Toaster
>People" (until NewTek comes out with a new toaster that doesn't need an
>Amiga). The 3000 is dead (check out Creative Computer's ad in AmigaWorld).

>This is all a combination of rumor, speculation and the barest threads of
>fact. 

The 2000 machine is to be replaced by an AGA machine, in the near future.
Perhaps this is what the 4000/30 is for.

>--hal

>--
>hgm@ncsu.edu           "Office Buildings are our Pyramids." 

					The beef sandwich.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV)
Subject: Re: WB 2.1.
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:34:08 GMT

terry@helios.UCSC.EDU (Terry Ricketts) writes:
>   This weekend I picked up the WB 2.1 enhancer kit from my local Amiga
>dealer (HT Electronics). The installation was easy. The docs do not list
>the changes from the previous version. Aside from the obvious inclusion of
>CrossDos and the new method of mounting devices I have not yet seen any
>major changes. I do remember seeing a posting some time ago that listed
>the changes in 2.1. If someone has it could they repost it? Now that the
>update is out more people will be interested in seeing it. Thanks.

Also, what's the cost of this upgrade?

(Forgive me, I haven't a dealer nearby...)

-- 
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|      /aylor | IRC  : Tomalek / The Romulan     | \X/--\miga 500 |  J rainy |
+-------------+----------------------------------+----------------+----------+
+ "Every Girl Already Has A Boyfriend" --- Murphy's Law Of Dating...         +
From: rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 19:14:40 EST
Reply-To: rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy)
Organization: Lakes Public Access

benw@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (bennett.weber) writes:

> 	1) Someone illegally photographs U.S. military secrets
>            and sells it to the Soviet Union
> 

Hmm, well, it's not that bad if, for example, you're a Soviet....  Still 
not the same.  The 'secrets' were not available to the public for 
purchase, so it isn't like software at all.

> 	2) Industrial espionage gets the business plans of a
>            corportation into the hands of a comptetor.
> 

Again, the information was not available for public perusal.  It was a 
secret.  Big difference.

> 	3) Someone Xeroxes the paper you wrote after 2 years
> 	   of intensive research and presents it as his own,
> 	   taking credit for an important discovery
> 

This is an accurate portrayal of those who pirate software and sell the 
copies.  It is not an accurate portrayal, however, of those who simply 
copy it.  The proper example of piracy would be if someone copied your 
paper wihout permission, enjoyed reading it, and then maybe did something 
that was _allowed_ by your research, such as built a machine that was 
based on priciples you had discovered.  This may not be exactly moral or 
nice, but it's not nearly so easy to condemn absolutely.  After all, if 
he builds the machine, then something new, perhaps worthwile has been 
made.  And if he doesn't, not many people would really care that he 
enjoyed reading the paper....  You still have your paper to do with what 
you will...

> 	4) A student plagiarizes (without credit, of course)
>            passages from literature and includes them in her term paper.

I don't see this as even relevant.  Piracy doesn't necessarily entail 
'claiming authorship', it entails copyright violation by unauthorized 
duplication.  A better example would be, you xerox some nice pictures for 
your school report without paying the photographer...

> 
> In all cases, no one is deprived of their original "merchandise", but
> few people would hesitate to use the word  "theft" in describing the
> crimes.  What IS stolen is information, and if you think information
> does not have value in and of itself, you're dead wrong.

No, they wouldn't have hesitated to call them theft.  The point is that 
your examples are not comparable to piracy.  Again, for the net.zealots, 
I do not mean to condone piracy, merely to note the distinction between 
piracy and theft.

> 
> Piracy if theft of intellectual property.  If you don't want to
> use the word "theft", pick another.  But don't delude yourself
> by hair-splitting.
> 
Don't delude yourself by clouding the issue or adding extraneous details 
which tend to incriminate.  And note, not everyone agrees entirely with 
the 'intellectual property' concept.  I certainly have some profound 
reservations with it...
> 						Ben Weber
> 
> 
> --------------------------------
> Not speaking for AT&T
> --------------------------------
>
From: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: WordWorth 2
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:41:36 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED



	Lots of people appear to be interested in WordWorth, so I invite
people to submit reviews of it to comp.sys.amiga.reviews.  Send e-mail to
amiga-reviews-requests@math.uh.edu if you need review-writing guidelines or
more information about c.s.a.reviews.  Thanks!

---

   Dan Barrett, Moderator, comp.sys.amiga.reviews
   Send reviews to:	amiga-reviews-submissions@math.uh.edu
   Request information:	amiga-reviews-requests@math.uh.edu
   General discussion:	amiga-reviews@math.uh.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: in2a505@rzaixsrv1.rrz.uni-hamburg.de (Elvers)
Subject: Kickstart 1.3 on A4000 ?
Keywords: A4000
Organization: University of Hamburg, FRG
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:14:17 GMT

Is there any program for the A4000 with which it is possible
to load an older Kickstart into RAM ? There is RKick, but it
is only for the A3000 :(

   - Thanks Andreas

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Random musings
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:30:15 GMT

In <S37732V.92Nov15115452@lk-hp-22.hut.fi> s37732v@snakemail.hut.fi (Markus Juhani Aalto) writes:
>   and one person running Emacs could kill the system. Those sytsems
>   didn't have demand paging, but it did have memory protection.

>They had a memory protection with 68000? Hmmm.?

Sure. They used some custom MMU. All Sun-3 workstation including the 68030
machines (all other Sun-3 machines used 68020) did not use the Motorola MMU
but a custom design made of a couple of SRAMs and PALs (later an ASIC).
A similar MMU was used in Sun-2 (68010) machines.

Some folx (Apollo ?) made virtual memory on 68000's. One solution was that
the compiler never generated instructions that couldn't be re-run when there
was the chance of a page fault. Automatic segment extension for the stack
was done by a 'probe' instruction in the function prefix that triggered
a page fault.
Another solution was to have 2 68000's. The probability of 2 processes
page-faulting at the same time isn't that high (unless you do 90% of the
I/O via mmap as in SunOS). So one 68000 was halted within the memory cycle
and the other took over.

Regards,
-- 
Michael van Elst
UUCP:     universe!local-cluster!milky-way!sol!earth!uunet!unido!mpirbn!p554mve
Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
                                "A potential Snark may lurk in every tree."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Piracy
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:16:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: dartvax.1992Nov17.041652.11820
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

c1a192@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Oliver Erik Seiler) writes:

>Actually this isn't true. Software piracy creates two copies of a a program
>where only one existed before. Shoplifting doesn't create anything.

>Software piracy also doesn't affect shopowners in the same way as shoplifting
>because the software is still on their shelves...

This has been discussed in great length in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games before.  I
used a rather poor analogy at that time... but I will state it again.  

Do you think one have the right to sneak into a theater to watch a movie?
Sure, one is not stealing anything physical.  Yet, one is benefiting from
the item (in this case: the movie).  One is lucky that there are actually
enough people to pay for the movie.. if everyone tries to sneak into
the theater, do you think Hollywood and Cinema would bother to make movies?

I didn't really want to argue with IBM folks, as they were darn lucky that
there are *tons* of people buying software... unlike the Amiga market...
if one care about the Amiga market, one should not pirate software.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
From: frostbit@src4src.linet.org (Rajesh Goel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Now.. you get what you want! (maybe) :)
Date: 22 Nov 92 02:46:35 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source

In article <Bxz6JH.Gy0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@osage.ucs.indiana.edu wri
tes:
>
>Ok, I'm dying to write another program for the Amiga, so throw all your
>suggestions this way.  NOT intense things like comm programs, compilers,
>print spoolers (hi Scott :), etc.  Anything else... try me, and I'll let
>you know if I can handle it.  Maybe some modifications to IntelliKey are
>due, so I can release v2.0.. I haven't had a lot of input on suggestions
>and changes for IntelliKey.  So e-mail away, and let me know what you'd
>like to see, and I'll see what I can do.
>
>      - A challenge-hungry psycho programmer
>
>--
>Sam Hulick          | "You can't discover new oceans unless you have the
>shulick@indiana.edu | courage to lose sight of the shore."  --Anon.
>(NeXTmail welcome)  |


    An AGA friendly Anim Player/Creator.  Something that _WON'T_ require me to
reboot in low-frequency modes to view my creations.

------------------------------------------------------
   frostbit@src4src.linet.org
     A4000 -- Workstation performance that's AFFORDABLE
------------------------------------------------------

P.S.  Barring that, how about a MARC BARRET WORM.  A prog that'll delete MB's
messages in non-advocacy newsgroups??
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen)
Subject: Re: To be able to copy and paste...
Reply-To: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:40:24 GMT

In article <49698@shamash.cdc.com>, app@shamash.cdc.com ( GSD Advanced Packing/Processes) writes:
> In article <9654@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> xero@cislabs.pitt.edu (George J Karabin) writes:
> >While I am a mostly satisfied Amiga User, there is one major problem that I
> >have with Amigados - it goes like this: I would love to have the cut and paste
> >options for text in all of my applications, like on the Mac. I'm running 2.04,
> >and I'm wondering if there's anything I can do to get this. I seem to remember
> >someone mentioning that Amigados does in fact have this feature, but on my
> >Workbench, it is definately not there. Is there some sort of setting that I
> >have to enable, or a commodity or something like that? I'd be very appreciative
> >if someone could bring me up to speed on this.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >		Josh
> 
> The latest AmigaWorld has an article on the 2.x shell that says something
> about it being possible on a console window if the application opens one.
> 
> I'm still at WB1.3 but I use Snap from a fish disk for this.  I can copy
> and paste text to and from any window with it.  I miss this ability with 
> the mac at work :).  Really, I have yet to find text I could not copy by
> activitating snap and dragging the mouse over it!  It can even copy and
> pastes graphics as iff files if you tell it to.
> 
> I believe powersnap does the same for 2.04 users.
> 
> Hope this helps...
> 
> Mike.

The Amiga equivalent to the Mac cut and paste is called the ClipBoard. Some 
applications support it others do not. Of the application that I use the
ones that come to mind are ProWrite 3.3, GNU Emacs, Bars and Pipes Pro., and 
the CLI window. I can mark a piece of text in one application, cut it into the 
clipboard, go to the other application and paste it in. 

For a graphics example, I can save a brush from DPaint, Imagemaster, etc. 
to RAM:. I then go to the ProWrite or Pagestream window and simply import 
the brush.

Not quite as slick as dragging a box across windows but works quite well
and is relatively painless.

I've not tried Snap and so can't comment on it.

-- 
	David

	Disclaimer: The content of this message in no way reflects the
	            opinions of my employer, nor are my actions
		    encouraged, supported, or acknowledged by my
		    employer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Amiga Action Replay III
Originator: shulick@navajo
Reply-To: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 05:59:08 GMT


Can someone explain AAR III?  How does it hook up to the Amiga, is it a
huge piece, how does it work, what features does it have, etc. etc.
Thanks.

-- 
Sam Hulick          | "You can't discover new oceans unless you have the
shulick@indiana.edu | courage to lose sight of the shore."  --Anon.
(NeXTmail welcome)  |
From: STUCS206@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Just Wondering...
Date: 23 Nov 92 11:22:58 GMT
Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom

I'm hoping to get an A1200 real soon but I'm getting confused as to just how
released it is at the moment. I'm after an extra 2 meg of RAM and an 80 MB
internal harddrive. The luvley glossy mags say no problem, send us your money
and well get round to delivering one and the local shops say that they are
having trouble getting an A1200 to put on display! The question is:-
Is there anywhere that I can get the above from TODAY or is it still vapourware

David J Brockley (Executor of Lemmings!)
Astrophysics III
Birmingham University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: vcruz@tid.es (Vicente Cruz)
Subject: A4000T?
Organization: Telefonica I+D
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:02:38 GMT

Hello everybody,

Last saturday I went to the SIMO, a large exhibition of office equipment held
here in Madrid. Of course, the first thing I did was to find the Commodore's
stand. It was pathetic. They had three A500s running games, a couple of A600s
and A3000s, two CDTV units sitting in a dark corner, one A2000 running a morph
demo and one, only one, BROKEN A4000. It seems that the hard disk didn't survive
the first day of the show.

Anyway, what it really drew my attention was the A4000 brochure. The possible
configurations listed there were:

	* A4000-40/40: 40M Hard Disk. Desktop
	* A4000-40/120: 120M Hard Disk. Desktop
	* A4000-40/213: 213M Hard Disk. Tower

Is this correct? There exist a A4000 tower or is it a mistake of Commodore
Spain? (I wouldn't be surprised).

I was also surprised by the A4000 price: only 379900 ptas ($3332) w/o monitor. I
still remember when the A3000 was announced 2 years ago; the cheapest costed
around $6000.

Apart from that, the only interesting thing was the Vortex 486SLC bridgeboard.
It was installed on a A3000 with a ET4000 VGA board and a second monitor. They
were installing Windows and it seemed to work. I asked the guy about the
problems I have with the PC expansion boards in my Vortex 386SX BB and he
confirmed that this BB have some problems with them but this is solved in the
new 486SLC.

Best regards,
Vicente Cruz
vcruz@tid.es
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From: mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us (Mike Meyer)
Subject: Re: AMOS (was: Programming)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga Yarn 3.4, 1992/08/12 15:49:52
Keywords: 
Summary: 
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:20:15 PST
Organization: Missionaria Phonibalonica

In <92321.092123DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>, <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> wrote:
> In article <mwm.2nuv@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us>, mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us
> (Mike Meyer) says:
> 
> >In <1e6v5sINN3om@ub.d.umn.edu>, rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman) wrote:
> >> BTW, I'm sure Mandarin is working on a verion of AMOS that takes
> >> advantage of the AGA chips (If that is not handled in AMOS Pro).
> 
> >Don't bet on it. If you've been reading the c.s.a newsgroups
> >carefully, you'll have noticed that CBM isn't releasing hardware
> >documentation for the AGA chipset. Seems they are sick and tired of
> >trying to keep things like AMOS alive.
> 
> I imagine they must be sick and tired of maintaining the OS as well.

Sigh. Ok, you who know so much - when is the new hardware manual
coming out? And why are the folks at commodore.com so busy defending
not releasing them?

> By the way, WHAT "serious" applications do you use your Amiga for?

I guess you've given up on defending AMOS (wise move on your part),
and are now switching to personal attacks. Oh well; that's part of the
fun.

> I'm curious. Also, please supply a list of Amiga programs you've
> written.

What's this have to do with anything? I can't recognize misbehaving
programs unless I've written programs? Or maybe it's that you don't
think anyone should be allowed to criticise ill-behaved programs
unless they've written something?

If you really want a partial list, check the fish disk catalogs.

> You must consider yourself an expert, since you are so quick
> to criticise everyone.

No; I only criticise packages that are misbehaved and idiots like you.
Fortunately, the latter category is very small.

> I still don't understand what you mean by "behavior problems". AMOS is
> an Amiga application running under Exec. It doesn't use Intuition.
> Why? Because Intuition does not support AMOS. Have you noticed that ALL
> the good Amiga games take over the display?

No, I haven't noticed that at all. What I've noticed is that most of
the ones that don't work properly took over the display. Of course, I
don't consider pretty pictures and fast-moving objects to be the sole
judge of game quality; things like playability are also important. The
best games rank high on playability; almost none of them take over the
display. Most of the ones that do probably had a good reason to.

> (not counting the compiler). Have you written anything remotely as large?
> (Yourself, not some kind of group project). 

Not that much source. I've probably written larger programs. I just
wasn't foolish enough to try doing them in something that required as
much source as assembler does.

> Enough ranting for now...

Oh well, at least you know what you're doing.

	<mike
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