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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Private antidiscrimination policies in CO (was Re: Attention...)
Date: 31 Dec 92 21:20:26 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison

In article <1hv70lINN69f@hp-col.col.hp.com>
smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:

>And WHY would a company fire a good 
>employee *just* because he is gay?  

The question is outwardly naive.  Companies do things
against their own best interests all the time, for all
manner of reasons.  One of the more common things, where
they can get away with it, is firing an employee who's
performing satisfactorily or better because of a
supervisor's personal enmity.  You *have* heard of enmity
arising from homophobia, yes?

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: aa704@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jennifer Engel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Origin of the term "faggot"
Date: 23 Dec 1992 02:17:22 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa704@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jennifer Engel)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, mudge@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (MUDGE BRIAN WAYNE) says:

>   Ok, when challenged, back up, find your sources, and repost...
>From THE GAY BOOK OF LISTS, Leigh W. Rutledge, c.1987, Alyson Publications 
>Inc., 40 Plympton St., Boston, Mass. 02118, p.42
>   A brief summary of each of the five points mentioned in the book, (quoted
>without permission, of course), is:
>


They're forgetting one: faggot/faggott/faggotto in various languages is the
word for bassoon. (take a look at most musical scores for
orchestral/operatic pieces)
-- 
From THE JAZZ BOOK: FROM RAGTIME TO FUSION AND BEYOND
"There is something in music which is more than melody
 and more than harmony: music."
				Guisseppe Verdi
Xref: sparky soc.motss:53992 alt.politics.homosexuality:8492
From: mudge@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (MUDGE BRIAN WAYNE)
Subject: Origin of the term "faggot"
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:55:10 GMT

   Ok, when challenged, back up, find your sources, and repost...
From THE GAY BOOK OF LISTS, Leigh W. Rutledge, c.1987, Alyson Publications 
Inc., 40 Plympton St., Boston, Mass. 02118, p.42
   A brief summary of each of the five points mentioned in the book, (quoted
without permission, of course), is:

  1.) English Boarding Schools, "fagging" was the system under which lower
      classmen were required to perform certain duties...

  2.) Burning Faggots, As far back as the fourteenth century, the word "faggot"
      referred to the bundle of sticks and twigs used as kindling for
      burning people, such as "sodomites" and "buggers", at the stake.
      Many people now believe that use of the word "faggot"as a pejorative for
      gay men orginated with this medieval practice of executing
      homosexuals by burning.

  3.) Smoking Faggots, The cigarettes source.

  4.) Gay Sorcerers, gay men came to be called "faggots" because of the
      words long mystical association with the sacred fire and the
      sorcerer's wand.

  5.) Disagreeable Faggots, As far back as the 1500's, "faggot" has been a term
      of abuse or contempt applied to a disagreeable of objectionable woman.

                              Bri...
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From: tom@flood.com (Tom Chatt)
Subject: Re: Austin, TX joins Colo. Boycott
Organization: The Flood Group, Inc.  Torrance, Ca.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 04:18:41 GMT

buckmr@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
| A broader question, do all 9 cities that are boycotting Colorado have
| gay rights ordinances? I would presume YES.

No. Atlanta, for one, does not. I heard the head of the Colorado
Tourist Board (who has an obvious agenda here) complaining that
it was awfully smug and hypocritical for Atlanta to be boycotting
Colorado when Denver, Boulder, Aspen all had enacted anti-
discrimination ordnances while Atlanta never has. Lesbigays in
Atlanta have no more legal protection than those in post-
Measure-2 Colorado. In fact, they have less, since Georgia
(home of Bowers v. Hardwick) still outlaws sodomy.

-- 
Tom Chatt                        \   Don't take offense, take action.
Internet: tom@flood.com           \    Speak up. When we remain silent,
UUCP: ...!uunet!flood!tom        / \     we oppress ourselves.
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Origin of the term "faggot"
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:53:35 GMT
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam

thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
>thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>>:pauli@sgi.com (Paul Isaacs) writes:
>>:>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>>:>>adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>>:>>:foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye) writes:
>>:>>:> aa704@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jennifer Engel) quotes:
>>:>>:>>				Guisseppe Verdi
>>:>>:> 				^^^^^^^^^
>>:>>:> Sacrilege!  Impiety! Desecration! PERFIDIA!!!
>>:>>:Maledizione!  Maledizione!  Maledizione!  Maledizione!
>>:>>Morte, morte.  Addio (ancora)!
>>:>Il piangere non vale.
>>:O cessate di piagarmi.
>>Awww...L'Italiana in Algieri, La Cerentola, and a big La Gazza Ladra
>>to you, too.  :-)
>Uh... uh... Gia-il sole dal gange.
>(There; that's my Italian repertoire. I'm going to leave now, before
>someone asks for translations...)

Dino, I think this is your cue. At least you'd know what you are
writing about.

								FJ!!
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Small grooming question
Date: 28 Dec 92 18:33:09 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Dec28.182753.5383@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1hnconINN62i@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn) writes:
>>My lover and I like it when I keep my head shaved smooth, but the
>>mechanics are kinda tough.  Knowing that various motssketeers out
>>there do the same thing, could you let us in on what kind of
>>razor (or electric) you use, how you keep from cutting yourself,
>>how you keep from missing spots, etc?
>
>Have you tried using an Epilady?  (Ow, ow, ow, ow...)

-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Austin, TX joins Colo. Boycott
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 12:21:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.000000.28238@lclark.edu> snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:
>
>Get off you horse Mr.

Whoa! That horse there guys... I feel partially responsible for
letting this get out of hand.  My system has been shutdown for the
past week and I haven't been online to see all of this and answer your
questions about my incorrect post.  Sorry...

Tom
-- 
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|AMD PCD MS-520 | 5900 E. Ben White|Austin, TX  78741  |f:512-462-5155 |
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Small grooming question
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 07:54:26 GMT

shafer@spdcc.com (Mary Shafer) writes:

>In article <thaaang.725623801@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>>I don't know, would Nair work? (And, tangentally, would Nair work
>>in more... delicate places?)

>The Nair euphemism is "bikini line" and yes, it does work there, or so
>says a friend of mine who has used it.  I'd keep it off mucous
>membranes, though.

Darn, and I find the 'European' look in nasal passages *so* passe'...

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: teeth
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:34:34 GMT
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam

Jarret!/Greg!,

Last time we talked about teeth, I told you all that I was wondering if
the attitude of my dentist would change after I conveyed the
information to him that I was a faggot and sometimes played with HIV+
men.

It kinda' has.

I've had to return twice for some fillings, and after every procedure,
I ask him about wounds, and he gets this 'oh yes, he's gotta know this
and I shouldn't forget to tell him' look on his face, and tells me
everything he did that drew blood, and how long it will take for the
wounds to fully heal. Cool.

I have a problem with this guy, though. You see, after years of being
sexually active, and being a total touchbeast, I've conditioned myself
to start licking every hand that strokes my face and comes near my
mouth. So guess what? Right.

I'm in this chair, this nice clean crisp dentist sits down beside me,
starts working on my teeth, and at one point I find myself having to
fiercely fight my tounge that wants to gently caress and moisten and
care for and make love to his male fingers working in full
concentration on my ivory. He asked me why I started to smile. I didn't
answer, I couldn't anyway, not with a filling hardening.

The next moment, I fight to stay relaxed as the rest of my body tenses
up, telling me it wants this person to GET OUT and give me full body
control again.

I'm wierd.
							FJ!!
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: the story ends with a cliff hanger?
Keywords: kidnapping, beards, bikes
Date: 30 Dec 92 21:56:18 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Dec30.201347.5098@psych.toronto.edu> jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.185331.27745@thinkage.on.ca> kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes) writes:
>>yes. but the law only allows one passenger. ooooo, i guess i get a non-group
>>opportunity then! :-) :-)
>I'll buy one, then.  Raising the ante,

This isn't fair!  You live down the street from Ken!

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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From: tovah@panix.com (Tovah Hollander)
Subject: Re: How did you find soc.motss?
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:18:20 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

>How did you discover soc.motss? Did you find it at the same time you
>found Usenet, or later?

Count me among the "front-panel-switch" set:  I was around when the
acronym itself (should that be "The Acronym Itself"?) was coined.
The newsgroup was just a gleam in Steve Dyer's eye (as opposed to the
fight to create the newsgroup, which was soon to be a pain in Steve's ...).

-- 
Tovah Hollander
tovah@panix.com -or- tovah@onion.salad.mssm.edu
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From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Top GLB Fiction
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 08:11:39 GMT

In article <18214@autodesk.COM> randyc@autodesk.com (Randy Clark) writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec19.023340.17274@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
>writes:
>>There are certainly gay science fiction writers, but I don't think they
>>write very well.
>
>	?????  In general probably true, but I think Delaney
>	among the best SF/fantasy writers working today.

There's also Joanna Russ, if we're talking women.  However, I'm not
sure whether she identifies her work as SF.

There are other people, James Tiptree, Jr. and others like her, who
have been at the forefront of a highly intriguing gender-bending
movement within SF.  Trivia: a short story in Isaac Asimov's was the
first work I ever saw to use the word "heterosexuality."

>	(I'll attempt to forestall the otherwise inevitable
>	chorus of people saying he's bisexual by pointing
>	out he often describes himself as "gay.")

Sigh ... yes.  Besides, his personal history suggests that any
opposite-sex attractions of his have been fleeting and less than
heartfelt.  I do wish I'd had the courage to call him for an interview
while I was working on my bisexuality paper last semester.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Austin, TX joins Colo. Boycott
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:18:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Dec30.201805.21950
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR


Talked to a friend who says Austin has a non-discrimination ordinance against
Gays!!!!

Boy was I surprised and pleased!!!

Bil Snodgrass III
From: todd@reed.edu (Todd Ellner)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Summary: Genderless language worthless
Date: 25 Dec 92 17:37:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Dec25.173713.24226
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon

There are already plenty of genderless languages, Swahili and Farsi
come to mind. The absence of gendered pronouns for hundreds of years
has not made Persian or East African men into paragons egalitarian
virtue.
-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Todd Ellner  todd@reed.edu 
"What has the study of biology taught you about the Creator Dr. Haldane?"
JBS Haldane:"I'm not sure, but He seems to be inordinately fond of beetles."
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From: psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (P.S. Powledge)
Subject: Re: Dworkin (was Re: Liberty)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Lincroft, NJ
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:35:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.123033.4883@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>While I understand [Arne's] economy in not being willing to lend 
>credence to someone as extreme as Dworkin, I feel *nevertheless* 
>there is *a* reality to be seen and appreciated in some fashion in the
>ideas reported here as Dworkin's.
>

Before I get into this, the Truth in Posting Law requires me to make the
same dangerous disclosure Jess did: I've hardly read Dworkin at all, and 
what I did was a *very* long time ago (maybe an essay in _Against SM_?). 
What I know of her is what I've gotten from reading several book reviews 
of her fiction and non-fiction work, and a profile of her that appeared 
in the _The New York Times Magazine_ a few years back. Admittedly, relying 
on secondary sources -- especially about someone as controversial as she 
-- isn't a terribly good idea.

Anyways: I can't remember ever agreeing with any of Dworkin's arguments.
I oppose antipornography laws; I don't think SM women are collaborators 
in sexual violence; I don't agree with her famous remarks on intercourse.
Still, am very uncomfortable with some of the criticism she gets, here and 
elsewhere.

Part of it is that Dworkin's often used to discredit all feminists as a 
whole, as if all feminists have identical analyses. The truth is, there's 
as much (if not more) debate among feminists as there is among gay, 
lesbian, and bisexual people. It's a trick from the Clayton Cramer School
of Forensics, and I don't appreciate it one bit.

The other, more important, part for me is that people criticize her by 
discrediting not only her ending points in her arguments, but her starting
points, too. As I said above, I strongly disagree with her conclusions. 
But I don't think the question she's trying to answer -- what does 
consensuality mean within the context of a massive power difference between
the individuals involved? -- is the least bit looney.

PS: I hate to post and run, but I won't be back online until next week.
If you have a reply that you want me to see, please email it to me.
-- 
||| Polly Powledge
||| p.s.powledge@att.com			<- unchanged
||| att!pegasus!psp or psp@pegasus.att.com	<- new
From: kenr@cabezon.uucp (Ken Richards)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Christmas in Spokane, WA.
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:58:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: cabezon.1992Dec22.005838.19206
Organization: Logic Modeling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon

<U32668@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>I'm going to be visiting my family in Spokane over the Christmas
>holiday (Dec. 19-25).  Even though I grew up there, I bolted as
>soon as I left high school, then came out, etc., etc.  I would love
>to check out the gay scene (if any) that exists there.

>Does anyone know of any bars, clubs, etc. in Spokane?  Knowing that
>town, I'm sure they're very well hidden.  I'd appreciate any info,
>before I fly out Saturday morning.

>Thanks in advance...

>David Moore (who has yet to design a signature he can live with)


I'd also be interested in any Spokane info. It was my hometown until
I went away to college and discovered Portland. I visit the folks
several times a year, but I can't imagine having a gay life there.

Back in high school, when my gaydar was just coming on-line, I latched onto 
all rumors of gay life in Spokane that I heard. There wasn't much to go on:
a friend snickered about the "Swish Alps", an area in the South Hills that 
supposedly had a high concentration of gays, and a cousin onced talked
disparagingly about a gay bar in the Sheraton Hotel at Riverfront Park. 
I doubt if much has changed. The gay community probably stays pretty well
hidden. Let me know if I'm wrong, it would be a good thing to hear.

I was planning to drive home to Spokane for Christmas, but my Mom says they've
received more snow than they've had in over twenty years and the roads
are treacherous. In her best 'mom' voice she says, "I don't need anymore
grey hair worring about you. Stay in Portland where it's safe." So for
the first time in my 28 years, I won't be home for Christmas. *sob, sniff*
Of course it's my own damn fault for not reserving a plane ticket soon enough.


Ken




 

-- 
___________________________________________________________________________
   Ken Richards        |                | It's tragic that families can be 
 Logic Modeling Corp   |  kenr@lmc.com  | torn apart by something as simple
                       |                | as wild dogs.
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado
Date: 30 Dec 92 23:16:05 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1ht3imINN505@hp-col.col.hp.com>, smithw@col.hp.com (Walter
Smith) wrote:

> You just seem intent on ranting for the sake of it.  

Bingo.

*X*
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: marco@sdf.lonestar.org (Steve Giammarco)
Subject: Re: ,,,
Organization: Best lil' ol' Pubnix in Texas
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 17:09:31 GMT

In article <BzE3v2.5y0@cscns.com> rks@cscns.com (gisle j benediktsson) writes:
>re: How dare one 'tolerate' us..
>
>   I have to agree with this statement very strongly. I was watching
>a TV show recently during which one of the panelists made the statement
>that it is "noble to put your hand out to the rejected" and I got so
>damned pissed that I wanted to shoot the television! What kind of an
>arrogant asshole would figure that ANYONE should want to accept the
>table scraps of 'tolerance' from another??
>
>   Presuming that every relationship is a voluntary social contract, I
>would be willing to accept two options: flat rejection or ACCEPTANCE.
>Period. 

Being a gay man, I've discovered that where my rights end, your rights
begin. I see tolerance as a negotiated point from which both sides can
coexist. Asking people to polarize one way or the other leads to margin-
alization of a society (even moreso than today).

I feel as frustrated as you do when I am "tolerated". But to demand anything
else and force people to _choose_ is mind control, too. I'd rather educate,
one person at a time if need be. >
e
>
>
>


-- 
Steve Giammarco/5330 Peterson Lane/Dallas TX 75240
marco@sdf.lonestar.org
loveyameanit.
From: bburns@agora.rain.com (Barry Burns)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: long-term relationships...success sto
Date: 1 Jan 93 02:54:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.C05MqM.26v
Organization: Open Communications Forum

rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

>dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>>bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:
>>>When one of us is out of town for business or whatever, the other
>>>partner must have the house spic n' span upon his return.
>>
>>Egad, if we'd made that a rule, I wouldn't have lasted a month, let alone
>>14 years.

>	Why should this be hard?  I mean with one person away
>it's one less person the hung Hungarian houseboy has to clean up
>after?!

>	(Well, that could also be hung Hungarian Housedaddybear)

>BBC, making up
>his 1993 Xmas list...  :-)

Bob, have you been to the house, I don't remember meeting you.  I'm going
to have to keep a closer eye on Tibor from now on...
-- 
Barry Burns             |
bburns@agora.rain.com   |   I wasn't recruited -- I enlisted
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: soc.motss.*
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 07:13:51 GMT

Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:

>I want to know this myself!  (Of course, for the purist, those
>should be H-D.60wt.splotches....)

I could check and give you his name, but if I do I don't want you
badgering him, okay?

>>>Tch, John.  Such a stereotypically exclusionary list you wrote.
>>Well jeez. I was using International Male, gimmie a break...

>I don't know whether to absolve you because your source is so
>thoroughly fucked up, or to berate you for choosing such a 
>revolting source in the first place.....  ;-)

Oh, foo. IM has some good twee going on, and I happen to find some of
the butcher models hot, and I'm listening to Prince even as I type,
so go to hell!!!

(John's wish list:

Navy crossover suit, p.17		Grey Aussie rower shorts, p.25
Calvin Klein lounge pants (olive), p.31 White fishnet bikini, p.32
Jade silk boxers, p. 33			All-in-one tank, p.35
Pinstripe pimp suit, p.40		Clockwork shirt, p.41
Banded collar shirt, p.41		Mettalic oxfords (whiskey), p.42
Vintage stretch-back jeans, p.44	Silver bullet jacket, p.45
Metal studs boot, p.45			Pony skin jeans, p.47
White full shirt, p.47			Beaded cross, p.48
Burnin' shirt, p.48			Sparkling gold turtleneck, p.50
Blue pirate shirt, p.50			Marine regiment poplin shirt, p.50
purple specs-on-a-chain, p.50		Russet knee-high moccasins, p.50

Hurry! It's almost Christmas!!! Only $1309.20 to make a little boy very
happy. Sorry, no COD's.)

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You're like one of those... 'Cabbage Patch' creatures...
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