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From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: DCL: ? Continuing execution after -?- severity message.
Date: 23 Jan 1993 20:55:32 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <01GTTGNJRFXC00114F@HOPE.CIT.HOPE.EDU>, BAREMAN@HOPE.CIT.HOPE.EDU ("Steven L. Bareman") writes:
>What commands to I need to use to insure that a command 
>procedure doesn't quit running after any warning/error conditions?

$ SET NOON

>I have a procedure which must run to completion even if one of 
>the commands generates a warning/error condition and at the 
>beginning I have:
>
>$ ON SEVERE_ERROR THEN CONTINUE
>
>I thought that would cover them all but the procedure terminated 
>prematurely after starting (and completing?) a backup recording pass.
>
>Do I need to have "ON" traps for each severity level, or should 
>just the highest one catch it?

>Please respond directly to me since I am not subscribed to this list.

Too lazy to read the list and too incompetent to use on-line HELP, eh?
From the output of the command "$ HELP ON examples"


$ HELP ON examples

ON

  Examples


       1.  $ ON SEVERE_ERROR THEN CONTINUE

         A command procedure that contains this statement continues
         to execute normally when a warning or error occurs during
         execution. When a severe error occurs, the ON statement signals
         the procedure to execute the next statement anyway. Once
         the statement has been executed as a result of the severe
         error condition, the default action (ON ERROR THEN EXIT) is
         reinstated.
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Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: DK75684@LTUVAX.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re:  Random Number.
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:18:46 GMT
Organization: The Internet

In a January 22 letter I received, you wrote...


>Is there an easy way to get a scaled random number into a DCL com file?
>Say an integer between 0 and 1000 or something like that?  I had a look in
>the manual, but didn't really even know where to start looking, so even a
>pointer in that direction would be helpful.  Thanks.
>
>Greg.
>



        I had a similar problem, I ended up looking at the 10th and 100th
place of the system clock, and extracting it with a lexical.

Here is the engine of the procedure I wrote:

$time=f$time()
$stringnum=f$extract(21,22,time)
$num=f$integer(stringnum)

        Where num would be an integer between 0 and 99.  I think that I would
then multiply it by, say, the 1's place in the seconds.  I think this will
be sufficently random.


David Kott:                                     Electrical Engineering Larvae.

Lawrence Technological University, Mi.          DK75684@LTUVAX.BITNET
From: lane@duphy4.physics.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: The worst question about TeX...
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:41:50 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Drexel University Physics

In article <7063@tuegate.tue.nl>, erikp@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Erik van de Pol) writes:
> Hi.
> 
> I am sure that this must seem a stupid - no, the worst - question to you, but
> can anybody help me out?
> 
> I am looking for a VMS port of TeX, but I dunno where to get it. I looked on
> Hunter Goatley's fileserver, but there is no TeX on his system. I do _not_
> have FTP access, so an email site is preferred.
> 
> Perhaps someone can give me a pointer to an email site that has TeX for VMS?
> 
> I have a VAXstation 2000 running VMS 5.5-1 and DECwindows. Please don't follow
> up but email me.
> 
> Any help much appreciated.
> 

ymir.claremont.edu is one of the best places to look for VMS-TeX stuff, but
I only have accessed it via FTP.  You should probably check into some of
the "FTP by email" services, or get the DECUS TeX tapes. 

Last I checked, however, the DECUS TeX tapes were kinda old...has there
been a more recent release?
-- 

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From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: How to repeat "new Mail message" ?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 01:44:13 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1993Jan24.131726.119790@marshall.wvnet.edu>, boag@marshall.wvnet.edu (Bob Boag) writes:
>Since if you allow VMS Mail to EXIT, as would be the case in the above example,
>you may find that you have a (possibly) long wait when VMS Mail displays the
>following message:
>
>%MAIL-I-RECLPLSWAIT, reclaiming deleted file space.  Please wait..
>
>This could easily happen the next time you logged in after using VMS Mail and
>exiting with the QUIT command, or if you are accidently disconnected, or the
>system crashes, etc.
>
>Using QUIT will not allow VMS Mail to display the new mail message count, and
>exit without trying to empty your wastebasket (reclaim deleted file space).

First, I think the "not" in your last sentence was extraneous.  Second, you
seem unclear on what reclaiming deleted file space means.  Most times, when you
PURGE your wastebasket folder (as happens when you EXIT with AUTO_PURGE set),
MAIL, will, for every message in the wastebasket folder:
	1)  Delete any external file associated with the message;
	2)  Mark the record for that message in MAIL.MAI as deleted.
Period.  No attempt to reclaim the deleted file space.  When you've accumulated
enough deleted file space, MAIL will then do a CONVERT/RECLAIM on MAIL.MAI. 
The latter is what the RECLPSWAIT message is talking about, and it happens
fairly seldom.
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Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Ehud
From: kaplan@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Steve... friends don't let friends do DOS.)
Date: 25 Jan 1993 19:22 MST  
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
Keywords: EHUD warning
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Warning!  One of our favorite flames (if not our favortie flame) - Ehud - has
apparently tired of  (choose one or more: FORTRAN, MACRO [32 or 64], C,
MUMPS, TCP, DECnet, VMS, UNIX, wine, scotch and either Aplha or VAx Machine
language) and has started talking English backwards.  Frankly, I can't
fault him - after all, the alternatives are pretty ugly in their true
forms? Yes.  Meantime, I'm trying to figure out how to use the mostly
undocumented RCRWC (rotate character reverse with carry) VAX instruction so
I can write an efficient program to decode Ehud's recent mail messages. 

Two questions: Does anyone know what the RCRWC instruction expects as
arguments?  I make it to be chunks of characters (Like the MOVTC - move
translated characters - opcode 2E.)  Like the MOVC5, apparently you do
something like 

	RCRWC src len<dst len

??

Meanwhile, I'm left to sorting out the likes of:

	(67GE)        norvaG duhE
	 reganaM krowteN tseuqnuS
	      moc.tseuqnus@norvag

by hand?

And: can't someone give Ehud something to do?

RayK 8)
From: gezelter@rlgsc.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: VMS file structure?
Date: 21 Jan 93 09:36:55 EST
Organization: Robert Gezelter Software Consultant, Flushing, NY

In article <C16JI3.4Ln@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil>, dsc3pzp@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Philip Perucci) writes:
> Can someone shed ANY "light" on VMS file structure for me?
> I am used to Unix and MS-LOSS where a file is simply a sequence of
> bytes terminated by an EOF character (or preceeded by a file length).
> Very simple.
> 
> Am also used to IBM MVS, where there is ISAM, VSAM, BDAM, BSAM,
> "sequetial data-sets", "partitioned data-sets", etc...!
> 
> But what about VMS?  Is VMS like IBM (go ahead - FLAME ME) in that
> files have a block-size and record-length?  If so, how does one do
> a binary "ftp"?  Must you set the block/record size manually?
> BTW, I use Wollongong for TCP/IP.
> 
> -- 
> ===========================================================================
>   phil perucci      | "Any opinions expressed are solely my own views and 
>   ssb1pzp@digex.com |  do not reflect the position of any organization"
> ===========================================================================
-- 
Phil,
 
A full discussion of all of the details of the record structure 
under VMS could make for a very long post.
 
First, for the purists out there, what you are really asking is 
"What RECORD structures does VMS support?" (FILE structure refers 
to the structure of a disk volume, analogous to an IBM VTOC or 
the FAT under DOS).
 
The answer to your question is: YES. VMS supports the following 
types of records in files (I am writing this in a bit of a hurry, 
so my apologies if I leave somebody's favorite out):
 
            - Fixed Length records
            - Variable Length counted records
            - Stream files (CR-terminated)
            - Stream files (LF-terminated)
            - Relative files 
            - Indexed files
            - Totally unstructured files 
 
All of the file types except for the last are provided as part of 
the standard VMS Run Time Library. The facility is referred to as 
RMS (Record Management Services). The use of RMS is strongly 
advised, however it is not mandatory (the reason for the last 
entry on my list). 
 
However, bypassing RMS is very unusual, the range of supported 
record formats and the convenience of using RMS is much faster 
and easier than "rolling one's own".
 
I hope that the above information is of assistance. If I have 
been unclear, or if I can be of further assistance, please feel 
free to contact me by Email or phone.
 
- Bob
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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: ejon@ll.mit.edu (Eric Jones)
Subject: Re: Anyone doing a LAVC over T1
Reply-To: ejon@ll.mit.edu (Eric Jones)
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 18:32:39 GMT


In article <01GTS2G6DMQQ004FG7@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU>, DWING@UH01.Colorado.EDU (Dan Wing) writes:

|>According to a recent issue of DN&R, DEC will support running a cluster on 
|>a T3 "this summer ('93)" -- I'm assuming this to mean something like their FDDI 
|>clusters, where the machines can shadow disks back and forth, etc.  If so, I 
|>would imagine you'd want a dedicated T3.
|>

	Last month at our local (Cambridge) DECUS LUG meeting, Terry 
Robinson from DEC's networking group (who was there to talk about 
Gigaswitch) mentioned that DEC has had a cluster up over T3 from somewhere
in NH to somewhere in MA.  It was a FDDI-based cluster with a FDDI-T3
gateway on each end plugged into one port of the Gigaswitch.  She made
no mention of the performance except that it was "more stabile than
some of the local clusters."
	Multi-state VAXClusters...sort of lends new meaning to the phrase
"disaster tolerant."

Eric
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: LIB$SPAWN and privileges...
Date: 27 Jan 1993 01:41:17 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1993Jan26.141100@mccall.com>, tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot) writes:
=
=In article <1k2kdtINNs62@gap.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J
=Lydick) writes:
=>In article <01GTXJV9AHTU000EP7@SCI.WFEB.EDU>, MACRIDES@SCI.WFEB.EDU (Foteos
=>Macrides) writes:
=>=	Has anybody written a SYS$PURGE and/or SYS$RENAME system service?  I
=>=want to do some file cleanup operations from a CtrlY-trapping AST, and can't
=>=use LIB$SPAWN or system() cuz the child process can't bring the parent back
=>=out of hibernation.
=>
=>Do you have any idea what system services *ARE*?  Why don't you also ask for a
=>C compiler system service?
=
=Yeah, or a system service to format text, or format time values, ACLs, or
=security events into pretty ascii strings, or encrypt passwords!

Please note that none of these do I/O.

=Oh, I guess it
=has those. They'll put anything in there, won't they? Of course, since it does
=file I/O, the C compiler would have to be an RMS routine, not a system service.

Gee, Terry.  I guess PURGE and RENAME don't also do file I/O, do they?
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Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
Xref: sparky comp.os.vms:22036 comp.unix.ultrix:9502 comp.unix.bsd:11854
From: tom@finwds01.tu-graz.ac.at (Thomas Leitner)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.bsd
Subject: looking for a shared memory library for VMS and BSD
Date: 26 Jan 1993 17:31:03 GMT
Organization: Technical University Graz, Austria
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: finwds01.tu-graz.ac.at

Hi everyone,

I'm looking for a library which hides the details of shared memory access
under different operating systems like VMS and Unix/BSD from my application.

I'd be especially interested in versions for VMS and Unix/BSD. What does
POSIX provide in that respect ?

If someone has some examples (or could point me to some) for programming
shared memory under VMS in C I'd appreciate if you could drop me some
lines.

Thanks in advance -- Tom Leitner, Inst. for Telecommunications and
                                  Wavepropagation, TU-Graz, Austria
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: LIB$SPAWN and privileges...
Date: 22 Jan 1993 11:51:37 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1993Jan20.134548.5954@ais.com>, bruce@ais.com (Bruce C. Wright) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.060209.4771@fuug.fi>, an5204@anon.penet.fi writes:
>> I am working with LIB$SPAWN to spawn the execution of an 
>> application.  Is there any way to pass information to 
>> the spawned process as to what priority it will have, or 
>> must you settle for the parent's base priority (or lower 
>> if you wanted)?  

It's been pointed out to me that I gave an ambiguous and misleading answer to
this question (I've *GOT* to remember to EAT before logging in when I wake up
in the middle of the night).  When I said "yes,"  I meant "yes, you must settle
for the parent's base priority," not "Yes, you can set the subprocess's
priority higher than that of the parent process."  Sorry for the ambiguity.
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Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: dongray@GENRAD.COM (Derek Dongray)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: CDA-Viewer mystery
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:34:09 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

> Hi,
>
> I have a problem with the MOTIF-1.0A-CDA-VIEWER.
> I use that tool to display ps-files. If I log into the consol, everything works,
> but if I use an X-Terminal I can't select the conversion PS, because there is
> no PS menu-item.
>
> Has someone seen this, too?
>
> Regards
> Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann
> Univ.Konstanz
> Germany

The ability to display postscript is a function of the X-server. The console
server has code to interpret postscript, the X-terminal doesn't.

Now why DEC didn't makethe CDA viewer interpret the postscript itself is
another question!

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From: ORAKEL@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Framstag)
Subject: comp.os.vms vs vmsnet.* ?
Organization: University of Ulm, Germany
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:50:22 GMT
X-Copyright1: Fuer Veroeffentlichungen AUSSERHALB des Newssystemes gelten MEINE Geschaeftsbedingungen.
X-Copyright2: Nichtbeachtung wird in der Regel zivil- und strafrechtliche Folgen nach sich ziehen.
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.25beta

Sometimes I post questions to comp.os.vms and sometimes to one of the
vmsnet groups, but without second thoughts (where, not what! :-) )

comp.os.vms is also a bitnet listserver mailing-list and the traffic is
terrible high, but one reaches thousends of people and most of the
VMS-Gurus.

vmsnet.* is more specific, because every topic has its own newsgroup, the
traffic is enjoyable low and the information/noise ratio is very good,
lightyears better than in comp.os.vms.

Crossposting is the best way for the questioner, but the worst regarding
band width. (This posting should be an exception)

So far my opinions.

What do you say? Where should one post which questions?
Perhaps one should gateway all vmsnet.* groups to bitnet and encourage all
people to use the vmsnet discussion lists instead the?
Or is this a blasphemous question ("there was INFOVAX before you could
write the word computer! You want to change it, mortal?" :-) ) ?


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From: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: How to repeat "new Mail message" ?
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:38:07 GMT
Reply-To: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: tp


In article <1jm4nnINN59b@urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de>,
jogl@merry.imib.rwth-aachen.de (Joachim Glaubrecht  #Alwd#) writes:
>so, in brief words:
>is there a procedure like "NEW_MAIL.COM" i can call, that repeats
>        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~                               ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>the 'You have 1 new Mail message.' message ?
>    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>ANY hint is wellcome ...

Just use the MAIL command with no arguments. When mail starts, it tells you how
many new messages you have. Make sure the line following your mail command is
not blank. Mail then sees an end of file and exits. So, make the last 2 lines of
your login.com:

$ mail
$ exit
--
Terry Poot <tp@mccall.com>                   The McCall Pattern Company
(uucp: ...!rutgers!depot!mccall!tp)          615 McCall Road
(800)255-2762, in KS (913)776-4041           Manhattan, KS 66502, USA
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: tihor@acf3.NYU.EDU (Stephen Tihor)
Subject: Re: TALK command problem
Organization: New York University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:44:00 GMT

Email goes places nothing else does.  Without trying to extract you
network topology I wont even start guessing but you need a common
protocol stack all the way from your system to his for any of the
interactive talk programs I have seen to work.

Mail to mail gateways though are everywhere.   talk with your local
network or systems manager or their consultants for the gorey details
in your enviornemnt.  They might even be able to spot a common protocol stack.
--
Stephen Tihor/NYU/251 Mercer St/NY NY 10012/+1 212 998 3052/tihor@nyu.edu
From: hevans@estwm0.wm.estec.esa.nl (Hugh D.R. Evans (ESA/ESTEC/WMA Netherlands))
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: End-user on-line Motif tutorial
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:09:39 GMT
Reply-To: hevans@estcs1.dnet.estec.esa.nl
Organization: European Space Research and Technology Centre

In article <1993Jan21.124937.1@vxdesy.desy.de>, pawlak@vxdesy.desy.de writes:
|>From: pawlak@vxdesy.desy.de
|>Subject: Re: End-user on-line Motif tutorial
|>Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
|>Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:49:37 GMT

|>
|>In article <19JAN199322093522@cvdv99.mayo.edu>, fisk@cvdv99.mayo.edu (Tom Fisk | 2D-337 STM | 5-4341) writes:
|>> [deleted....]
|>>
|>> Oh...here is a situation you are going to really like.  We have some female
|>> employees that just can not get the hand/eye co-ordination going with the 
|>> mouse.  They always want to move their hand/mouse the _opposite_ direction they
|>> want to move the pointer.  We tried to figure out why this was.  Turns out that
|>> when the look at the terminal, they have some mental connection that says 
|>> they are in front of a mirror (where I am told some females spend some time)
|>> and they do exactly everything _backward_ with the motor functions.  The
|>> only way we have been able to get them to move the pointer in the right 
|>> direction on the screen is to turn the mouse _upside down_.  Yes...another
|>> amazing but true story from the journals of learned behavior.
|>>              
|>Hmmm... It can't be true. Workstation is a mirror! Stand side to side
|>with the screen and move the mouse to see what I mean. Also don't they 
|>have 'up-down' problems with the turned mouse???
|>
|>Sorry, this post has nothing to do with VMS, I know....
|>
|>Michal  (pawlak@vxdesy.desy.de)
|>


When working on one project, there was a chap that always used the mouse 
upside down.  He said he preferred it because he was left handed.  There 
are some strange people out there.
--
Hugh Evans	-	hevans@estwm8.dnet.estec.esa.nl

 "Alcohol is very important for young people because it provides a sort of 
  'liquid adulthood.'  If you are young and you drink a great deal it will 
  spoil your health, slow your mind, make you fat - in other words, turn you 
  into an adult."
	P.J. O'Rourke - Modern Manners, Etiquette for Rude People