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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Who do you kneel to when you pray?
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:06:35 GMT

In article <9wiRRB2w165w@ailanth.UUCP> ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>
>to me, swearing vituperously is somewhat insulting to the deity as
>well, or it is when *I* do it.  and swearing my my deities, who
>generally don't have names, would be difficult.  besides, "jesus h.
>motherfucking christ" is also offensive to a lot of people, a very
>useful thing in a swearword.  said in the right tone of voice, it tends
>to make the average person somewhat nervous, and they back down.  this
>does NOT say nice things about me, but i never lose an argument when i
>am furious.

And I *never* want to be around when you're furious. ;-) -hugs-

Bb,

Corun


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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (T. O. Radzykewycz)
Subject: Re: books to avoid
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley, CA, U.S.A.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 17:00:22 GMT

blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN) writes:
> I kind of like the term Gloria Steinem uses for anti-woman men --
> "male supremicist".  Perhaps we could call man-hating women
> "female supremicists" and keep feminist as a more egalitarian term?

Um, I've always used both these terms, since I became aware of
the issues of feminism.  I *thought* that other people used both
terms, as well.  Have I been missing something?  Nobody ever
misunderstood me when I used them, at least not that I ever
remember.

Female supremacists are also feminists.  Some men are female
supremacists, just like some women are male supremacists.

Blessings!

		-- radzy

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	radzy@cogsci.berkeley.edu       |  tough hide and a
	        			|  tender heart."
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wrinkled.    Tamura'nun-pa thought:   How beautiful you
are, Mother, so old and wise.
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: lib1p@elroy.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Subject: Re: Pagan Rock Artists...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:36:00 GMT

In article <2AC735AB.20067@news.service.uci.edu>, cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes...
>In article <1a64epINNh4g@vulcan.ksu.ksu.edu> lazarus@vulcan.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith) writes:
>>
>>I was wondering if anyone has collected a list of pop stars who are decidedly
>>non-Christian.  I can think of a few off-hand... the Red Hot Chili Peppers
>>(according to a friend of mine) claim to be Satanic, Tears for Fears are atheists,
>>as are XTC, I believe.  Anyone else have contributions?  Thanks!
> 
>Someone mentioned thet fact that Stevie Nicks was Wiccan, but I don't
>know.  And, it's odd that you should mention XTC and Tears for Fears;
>both are wonderful groups.  I don't know if XTC is atheist, though --
>are you extrapolating fron "Dear God?"  I've always had my suspicions
>about Suzanne Vega, too . . . 
> 
>Blessings,
>Janis  
> 

Danzig (heavy metal) is decidedly Satanic.  Concrete Blonde (heavy 
metal sorta) is either atheist or some other non-christian if their
music is any indication.

My group of friends and I have come to the conclusion that the
members of Rush are gamers (look at the album Presto).  Based on
their lyrics I would assume that they aren't Xtian, but as to what
they truly are.......

Tammy
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: pkappess@erc.cat.syr.edu (Peter Kappesser)
Subject: Re: Princess Cards [Was tarot decks]
Organization: Electronic Resource Center, Syracuse
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 21:17:05 EDT

In article <2OCT199217235172@rosie.uh.edu> lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
>In article <kbennett.717868892@milton>, kbennett@milton.u.washington.edu (K. Lena Bennett; Slacker Goddess) writes...
>>Jessica A. Darago <JD3415A@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>> 
>>>The Crowley Deck,...
>>>It's the only deck I've encountered that has
>>>the Princess cards instead of Pages, and my card is Crowley's Princess of Cups.
>> 
>>The Cosmic Tarot by Norbert Losche has Prince and Princess cards.
>> 
>>I'll also mention the "mother/father/daughter/son" breakdown in several of my
>>decks, including the Motherpeace and the Elemental.
>> 
>>My favorite deck, the pendragon, uses pages, but they are very clearly
>>young women.
>> 
>>Lena
>> 
>
>Look at the Hanson-Roberts deck... the pages look very feminine.
>
>Tammy

As do the pages in the Robin Wood deck. Very subtle, easy to overlook (or to
see what you think you see, perhaps?)

	-- PeterCat
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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: that quote about "foul enough for a witch to burn in."
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:31:25 GMT

In article <81159@ut-emx.uucp> amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik) writes:
>
>I've never had a problem believing the connection between "faggots"
>and kindling... the German term for a bassoon is "fagott," and the
>Italian "fagotto."  The bassoon is called this because of its
>resemblance to a bundle of sticks.
>
>Speaking as someone with a degree in fagott performance... :)

Your anecdote reminds me of something I heard Elton John tell an American
audience at a concert I attended. He was telling us how the English call
sausages faggots, and went on to relate what one sausage manufacturer had
put on a billboard advertisement. "Have a faggot for breakfast." ;-) Got
quite a rise out of the audience.....as it were.

Bb,

Corun


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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: Thanks
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:14:29 GMT

gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) writes:


>In article <1992Oct3.211117.28405@newstand.syr.edu> pkappess@erc.cat.syr.edu writes:

> > But I enjoy the atmosphere here too. There's just so much love and sharing
> > around here ... as if we had our own circle! That's important to me, since

>So do I. Yes there is ... it is. Me too.

>A lovely place to be.

I hate to be a meany, but notes like this really are best in email.  I am
already having to skip threads in alt.pagan because I don't have time for all
of the posts.  Pretty soon I will have to just skip whole days of notes, if the
noise level increases.  On the other hand, the number of meaningful notes has
also increased.  I would like to be able to read all of the notes which have
general interest, but that can only happen if the private notes are kept in
email.  Again, I am not trying to bash anyone.


              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

******************************************************************************
Newage is hypoallergenic spirituality--
it's for people who are allergic to the word religion.
                                   --Jon Jay Obermark
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
Subject: new Tarot user
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:20:17 GMT

	Welcome to the Tarot, Randy. It's cool.
	The configuration you showed is called the Celtic Cross. It's probably
the most common of the spreads. The bottom card in the centre represents
the present influences on the Querent (person whose fortune is being told).
The card crossing that one, represents forces opposing the Querent. The card
at right of centre represents the distant past, the card at the top is recent
past, the card at the left is near future, the card at bottom is distant
future. (Important: that distant future card is NOT the final fortune. Don't
stop here.)
	The four cards in a row at the side represent, starting from the bottom,the Querent himself, his inner thoughts and emotions, how others see him, and
the last card, at the top, is his final fortune. 
	This spread is useful if you use the meanings traditionally ascribed
to the cards. (Some people tell fortunes by the pictures on the cards, which
will not work quite as well with this spread.) This spread is also fairly
easy to explain to the Querent, who will undoubtedly hanging over your
shoulder going "What's gonna happen? Am I gonna be rich?" or something
equally Mundane. >:-\ Happy fortunetelling.
				Stars light your path, 
					Rosaleen Dhu
From: law10@po.CWRU.Edu (Lorrie A. Wood)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Samhain at Janis's . . .
Date: 30 Sep 1992 04:24:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


	Lovely!  I'm still a net.newbie, but I know I love the idea. But:

	1) Where do you live?
	2) Is someone driving through Clevelabd that could pick up me-my roomie
(Jessica McGeary)?
	3) Am I even invited (or her), seeing as we're not *real* bona fide
pagans?

Just asking . . . please no flames . . .

)Insert Pagan Statement of Your Choice Here . . .(

Read You Later . . .

-- 
"All statements are true in some sense, false in some sense, meaningless in
some sense, true and false in some sense, true and meaningless in some sense,
false and meaningless in some sense, and true and false and meaningless in
some sense." -- _Principia_Discordia_ -- the Book of the Church of Eris (Chaos)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: hidalgo@bms.com (BMS SysMgr - Laurenceville)
Subject: Odds-N-Ends
Reply-To: hidalgo@bms.com
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 14:55:11 GMT

Hello, another lurker here reading happily.

Welcome to Matthew Glenn Porter Smith and Congratulations to his parents.
Another newly arrived blessing on the planet!

To the Drumming Women in Seattle - I can't be with you, but I'll be drumming
from the east coast and sending my love and prayers.  I'm sure others will 
join you from all around the earth in sending their energies.

About 'kneeling' in prayer and cursing -  I don't 'kneel in prayer'.  I live
in prayer.  I pray while driving and eating and sitting and dancing.  I find
that my mind is always saying 'thank you mother' 'thank you father' while
I'm doing other things.   As for cursing, I've instead gotten into the habit
of 'blessing' things that irk me, or 'blessing' myself for being irked.  It
makes me smile and I find that I've found fewer things to be 'irked' at.

On tarot cards - has anyone 'worked'/'played' with Vicki Nobels 'Motherpeace'
tarot deck?  I fell in love with the shape.  It's ROUND.  The book that goes
with it is wonderful (IMHO).  The images are much more 'raw' than any other
deck I've seen.  Gives me more personal room for interpretation.

blessings and light to all,

miriam
From: barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard)
Subject: Re: another poem
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:47:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.213907.28694@ncsu.edu> blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN) writes:
>Personally, I really don't care the sex of my gaming character, but
>when someone *insists* that it must be a she or a he, I automatically
>want to play the other sex just to spite them I suppose.

Oh, yeah!  I haven't had this happen in gaming (was only ever in one).  But in
high school, one of my teachers was setting up a mock wedding and insisted that
the preacher be male.  I was so angry.  So when she asked for volunteers, I
raised my hand just to make the point of protesting.

>Finally, I grew disgusted with all the politics (not to mention all
>They
>still think I'm coming on to them just because I nod my head in their
>direction when they ask me the time of day.  I've outright told men
>to get lost and that I'm not interested.  (Men who I've never had
>any sort of intimate relationship with).  Does it work?  NO!!!! They
>don't listen.  Oh gee whiz, I must be lying to them.  I can't really
>be serious.  GRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  NO MEANS NO, DAMMIT!!!!!!

Really.  There seem to be so few men who take women seriously, especially
when it comes to sexual matters.  The attitude you describe is perhaps the
most infuriating to encounter.

Seeing your, Janis's, and Ailsa'a posting about what it's like to be a woman
has really helped me.  I haven't talked much about feelings like this before,
or often when I did I wasn't taken seriously.  Or I've been called a militant
feminist.  People often say "militant feminist" as if we should be ashamed for 
feeling passionate about experiencing and delighting in our femaleness.  Aarghh.

>Whew!  That felt much better.  Sometimes it feels good to ramble.

I like rambling, too.

Barclay

-- 
Barclay Elizabeth Blanchard    barclay@rail9000@gatech.edu
"I've been laughed at by some of the funniest people."
--Lissie, Alice Walker's _The Temple of My Familiar_
From: markbr@radian.uucp (markbr)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Tarot deck recomendations (was:  Re: Tarot techniques)
Summary: RE: the Hanson-Roberts deck
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:15:39 GMT
Organization: Radian Cormp.

In article <7587@monmouth.edu>, c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON) writes:
> 
> 	I think You'd like the Hansen-Roberts deck by Mary Hansen-Roberts
> (I THINK that's the right spelling of her name).  Very image consious, right
> down to the non-Court Minors.  It's the first deck I've seen that I only
> use the guide book to get a general idea before striking out on my own.
> 
>o| Of Course I speak  |      michael carson       | Carpe Diem, Man.        |o|

It's spelled with an "o". And I would think it's image conscious - she's been
thinking about doing it for, oh, around 20 years. Should be *real* self-
consistant, as well.

	mark
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger)
Subject: Re: Thunderstorms   (was: Re: Night and Winter)
Summary: Thunderboomers and computers
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:42:56 GMT
Organization: Macro Computer Solutions, Inc., Chicago, IL

In article <gate.8BkZRB1w165w@pil.UUCP> usr77@pil.UUCP writes:
>Re: Re: night and winter
>By: tedwards #0 @src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards) USEnet      
>
>Other good things to do before a thunderstorm.
>1. Make sure you have your personal computer plugged into a power line
>surge protector (try any large discount store in electrical, look for
>something that says surge protected power strip or something like that)
>2. Plug your modem into a phone line surge protector.
>
>A lightning stroke in the wrong place can put tens of thousands of volts on
>a AC power line. If this gets into your computer, it will be a while before
>you get to read this newsgroup again.

This isn't going to do you a rat's tail worth of good if lightning gets
anywhere need the power or phone feeds to your system.

By "near" I mean within a few tens of feet or even more.  The >induced<
voltage from such a "near miss" will put tens of thousands of volts on the
lines in the hundred-amp or more range.  A DIRECT hit will smoke every
electronic device still connected to the wire in any way, power switches and
surge protectors notwithstanding.

A surge protector, if its a GOOD one, will help you in the "not-so-near
miss" category.  It will dissipate these reasonably well.  But anything 
which gets reasonably close to a direct hit is going to do damage unless the
system is unplugged from ALL outside sources -- phone and power included.
If you get really unlucky and your home is hit directly even that won't
help - the induced currents will STILL fry the system.

Note that for a surge protector to do any good at all your grounds MUST be
intact and properly wired.  Two-wire plugs have >zero< protection, surge
protector or no.

Lightning is one of those things you really can't protect well against.

--
Karl Denninger (karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM, <well-connected>!ddsw1!karl)
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From: eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun)
Subject: Re: images of females
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:46:43 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago IL
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

>>radzy@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Lynne Radzykewycz) writes:
: 
: Having seen hundreds of bellydancers over the past 10+ years, I've found
: that it's the dancer's skill of movement and ability to project his/her
: feelings to the audience that makes a great dancer.  NOT their body
: structure.
: 
: THAT is what makes bellydancing so wonderful.<<
: 

You are absolutely right!!! In Cairo the original "beledi" now currupted to
Beli dancer (Belly dancer) is usually dressed in a complete dress. Without
exposure of the breats or hips or anything else for that matter.

It is a western invention for the beledi to dance half naked bedangling with
chains and glitter. This of course has become the standard popular theme. 

In ancient Sumer and Egypt dancing was usually done completely naked or at
least with very little. Soome men do not understand that dancing with
earrings etc can actually be a hindrence.

Regardless, of the costume, the movement and style is >far< more important
than the provocativeness which is suggested to be a prelude to sex.

In the art of the belly dancer, the control of a veil is not as easy as you
would think. The movements of the abdominal area and other muscles is an art
to attain and not easily achieved by the erotic imagery you would percieve.

:But the feelings that the individual can convey in their expression is the
coup d'e-tat of the performance!

The very best beledi (Belly dancer) i have ever seen, >was< in Cairo, Egypt,
who shamed the younger other dancers when she came out, in a red long dress,
totally covering her body, and did a simple dance carrying a candelabra on
her head. She was an older, or rather a mature woman, not terribly
curvacious....yet, her stance, her manner was sooooo gracious and subtle, so
beautiful her hands would ondulate that she seduced her audience with her
soul!

Eshin-Fun
 
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: mephron@tronsbox.xei.com (Mephron)
Subject: Re: more Campus Crusade for Christ bullshit
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 04:00:06 GMT

In article <19oqa2INNfn5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> jmm25@po.CWRU.Edu (Jessica M. Mcgeary) writes:
>*Etymological note- the Catholic confiteor used to contain a line, when said
>in latin, that ran 'mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa'. It meant 'through
>my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault'. I prefer a
>version I saw once- mea saurus, mea saurus, mea maxima saurus. That
>translates as 'I'm a lizard, I'm a lizard, I'm an enormous lizard'.

'Scuse me, people.  Ms. Mcgeary has gotten loose again, and we forgot to give
her the Prozac.

Camwyn....you KNOW how much ol' Lizardbrain hates being talked about.....

>-- 
>Jessica McGeary
>jmm25@po.cwru.edu
>Case Western Reserve University
>Remember! Arguments should be FUN!
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: ailsa, I need your address!!!!!!
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:31:50 GMT

I moooochly apologize for doing this over the net, BUT . . .

ailsa, I don't have an e-mail address for you that works!!!  Do you have
others?  If so, puh-LEEEEZE post them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Blessings,
Janis
From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Witches and death
Date: 25 Sep 92 19:07:17 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <1772@pacvax.UUCP>, nlp@pacvax.pacersoft.com (Nancy Pilsch) writes:
>I had a friend who was a witch.  She died tragically almost a year ago.  We 
>did talk about her being a pagan, and she gave me several books, fiction and
>non-fiction about Witchcraft, but we never discussed death.  My question is
>this:  What do witches believe happens to their souls when they die?  

That depends on the Witch in question...  I've seen some who beleive in
reincarnation, others who beleive in a pagan version of heaven, and some who
just don't know and beleive you'll find out when you die...

Sorry to be so obscure, but that's the way things are at the moment...

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From: usr77@pil.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: re: seeking creator of "Practice Random Kindness"
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 05:25:36 PDT

Re: Re: Seeking Creator of "Practice Random Kindness"
By: joshua #0 @coombs.anu.edu.au (Joshua Geller) USEnet      
 
>       "PRACTICE RANDOM VIOLENCE AND SENSELESS ACTS OF STUPIDITY"
>    One after another, the next six drivers arrive at the tollbooth,
>    dollars in hand, only to be told, "Some lady up ahead already paid
>    your fare.  Have a nice day." Then their cars carreen out of control
>    into the gaurdrail of the bridge as the clerk at the tollbooth shoots
>    each of them in the back of the head as they drive away.
>    The woman in the Honda, it turned out, had read something on an
>    index card taped to a friend's refrigerator:  "Practice random
>    violence and senseless acts of stupidity."  The phrase seemed to leap
>    out at her, and she copied it down.

Followups to: alt.tasteless

I recommend that you repost this to alt.tasteless... it makes a bit more
sense there.
                                                 A.Lizard
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