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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Are Duke's games bloodier this year?
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:06:42 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

It may be my imagination, but it seems that there has been blood on
Duke players' uniforms too often this year.

In the Duke-Indiana Final Four game Grant Hill, Brian Davis & Tony
Lang had blood on their white uniforms.  I replayed the tape, but I
couldn't determine whose blood that was, nor where it came from.

Perhaps it's time for the cagers to start wearing helmets with face
guards? :-)  Of course, who could forget Montross's bloody head during
the Duke-UNC game.

Any comment?

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Steve Williams
swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: Rollie named as UNLV coach!?
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:00:44 GMT

zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:

>egras@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:

>>Generally the players at Villanova were very intelligant and
>>articulate.  Most players chose Villanova for its academic reputation
>>(I beleive its admission requirements are around 1100-1150 minimum SAT
>>score.)

>       You'd be hard-pressed to find more than six basketball players
> in Villanova with this high SAT score...

>       I'd say the average score of 950 would be more like it for
> most of the players...


I'd take that bet.  Villanova has a rich tradition of blending academics
with athletics.  In the last ten years, Villanova has had at least one
Academic All-America in each sport -- Men's and Women's.

In recent years, Mark Plansky and Harold Jensen were both named to the
Academic All-America team.  Plansky has an engineering degree.  I've
heard that Harold Presley and Ed Pinkney both did well.

As for the current team -- Villanova always has several walk-ons.  My guess
is that we can find at least three guys there, with a score of 1100.
As for scholarship players, the 7-foot guy from Holland probably has 1100
(he certainly isn't there for his BB ability).  Greg Woodard was the
Big East Student Athlete for basketball in his junior year.  My guess is
that at least one of Bain, Dowdell and Miller have at least 1100.  I
wouldn't be surprised if all three did.

I saw Rollie give a talk last year.  He talked about how he felt constrained
in his recruiting because he had to satisfy the admissions committee.

My guess is that he will be able to recruit people who would not get into
Villanova -- but who will still be able to graduate at UNLV -- and that
between this fact and the fact that UNLV is in a weaker conference, Rollie
will find life much easier.


Mark
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Isn't it funny...
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:01:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr6.150115.13933
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin - Madison
Originator: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

It's funny to sit back and read the sophmoric cheers and jeers in this
newsgroup.  Normally, I would assume that this is the way most of the
people here are, but I look at some of the sig files and see that most of
these people have respectable jobs for respectable companies, or at least
are in graduate school.  Where else do you see senior research scientists
for major automobile companies saying dumb things like "Ha ha, manure tech
is not playing basketball any more", or the endless rash of "Our team is
going to stomp your team" comments.  I bet most of you are polite in public
and would never act like this.  I guess the computer brings out the worst
in all of us.

And by the way, I am nicer on the net than I am in public.  I don't let a
keyboard do my dirty work.
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
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From: danw@ee.su.oz.au (Dan Wuescher)
Subject: Re: Big Ten Update (4-7-92)
Keywords: Big Ten, college
Reply-To: danw@brutus (Dan Wuescher)
Organization: Electrical Engineering, The University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:05:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.162437.19120@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:

[Another fine synopsis deleted]

>
>Thanks to everyone who has written me this year about the reports!  It's
>because of your generous comments that I do these things...  See you next
>year, I hope!
>
>
>-- 
>-------------------------------
>| Randy Peppler               |
>| Illinois State Water Survey |
>| peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu    |

Thanks Randy for all your posts throughout the year.  As a fan of college
basketball (Big 10 mostly) I really appreciate all the effort you've put
in your posts.  We don't get much NCAA news here in OZ and I look forward
to your posts to get an informative (mostly unbiased) view of how the 
games went.  Truly a breath of fresh air, compared to a lot of the other
stuff posted.  Keep up the good work.  I'm sure there are a lot of lurkers
like myself who feel the same.

Dan

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| Dan Wuescher		  *  We satisfy our endless needs and justify | 
| danw@ee.su.OZ.AU        *  our bloody deeds, in the name of destiny |
|			  *  and in the name of god.  D. Henley       |
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From: yl44729@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ricker)
Subject: Re: 1992 Illini thoughts.
Keywords: Kaufman, Keefe, Thomas, Michael, Wheeler, Pierce...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:19:14 GMT

piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL) writes:

>	Kaufman get his GPA up? How does Keefe look? Will he play?


Kaufman should be back.  Richard keene looked very good against Proviso
East this year in the IHSA State tournment.  He held his own on a team
that basically relies on 2 players to score. (Keene and another player that
I don't remember his name).
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Forecast on Big8(was Re: preseason top 10 - no order)
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:58:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: mccall.1992Apr7.155838
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <1992Apr7.184047.22893@ccad.uiowa.edu>, tshannon@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy J Shannon) writes:
>	There might be a couple other Big Ten teams in there, but it is very
>hard to conceive that Iowa, Michigan St., and Minnesota will be in the top
>ten with all of the other Big ten teams remaining.  Also i think there should
>be alot of Big 8 teams in the Top 25, Iowa St. had almost all underclassmen.
>I don't meant to offend anyone, but N.C. State didn't make my list:-).
>
As for the Big8....
Colorado will lose Law, Markham and Greg Price.  They'll need a pt.G
	that can handle the ball and shoot 3s and need some big guys.
IowaState only loses Pearson and Pippet and ISU should be a strong
	contender in the Big8.
Kansas should do alright.  They lose Jamison,Tunstall and a few others.
K-State loses Howard, Rettiger and Zeigler.  Mystery team at best.
Mizzou loses JimHorton and Peeler.  I expect this team to do well
	if they can play like a team.  But Peeler will be a major
	loss.
Neb loses Cresswell(3pter), Hayes and Owens.  They did alright
	last year.  Should do about the same next year.
OU loses Patterson and Price.  Need to find someone to fill their
	shoes.
OSU is hurting.  Alexander, Hatcher, Houston, Sutton and Williams
	are all gone.(Williams will be playing OkieSt football).
	Be interesting to see what Sutton Sr can do.

Big8 will be weaker next year.  Only ISU looks to improve.  KU and MU 
to maybe slip a little.  Neb, OU, and CU could go either way.  OSU
should drop a lot.  And who knows about KSU.
--
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From: kkothman@weber.ucsd.edu (Keith Kothman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Congraduate to Duke.....NOT!
Date: 7 Apr 1992 17:38:59 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <12005@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> welin@icaen.uiowa.edu (Wentsung Lin) writes:
[lots of stuff about how Duke only won because of the officials
deleted...]


You see what you want to see.  I saw Cherokee Parks get mugged several
times without getting a call.  I also saw Howard land some gratuitous
elbows on Laettner after made baskets.

What I also saw was that Michagan missed far too many free throws in
the first half, and during crunch time couldn't buy a basket.  If you
read the Michagan players' reactions you would see that they felt they
lost because of the way they played (that's why they were so upset 
afterwards)--not the refs.

Keith Kothman
kkothman@ucsd

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: IU Gets Rematch with Congress Help?
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:41:27 GMT
Organization: My Daddy, My Doggy, and Me
X-Bytes: 

Peter C Tortorici writes:

>A friend of mine came up to Purdue from Indy on Sunday, and told
>me there was an article in the Indianapolis paper that a group,
>I'm not sure how many, of Indiana congressmen were formally disputing
>the officiating in the Duke/IU game.
>
April Fools is almost 2 weeks away. You can't fool us that easily.
No one is that big of a doofus.

-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu>  
You know, there's many a damned fool woulda swallered that.
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: The Championship Triangle in N.C.
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:34:27 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

There's a triangle region in North Carolina that is marked by the three 
universities (Duke, NCSU & UNC), each university not being more than 
ten miles from each other.

The interesting thing is, with Duke's recent capture of its second NCAA 
Men Basketball Championship, these three universities now boast two 
NCAA championships each.  There are now a total of six NCAA Men Basketball 
championship trophies in this triangle.

Other than the campus of UCLA (10 trophies), is there any other region 
that can boast that many trophies?

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Steve Williams
swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center
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From: jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John Wilbur Althauser)
Subject: Re: Illini - final four talent
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:14:31 GMT

jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher) writes:

>Not so. Battle, Gill, Anderson, Hamilton, Liberty, Small, and Smith were
>all very highly recruited. Battle went to NIU then left when they
>fired the coach (who had coached at Battle's high school W. Aurora
>for years.) He was the best player in the MAC for the 2 years he was
>at NIU. Anderson and Liberty had schools all over the country
>drooling over them. Gill was very highly regarded too. Larry Smith was
>highly recruited out of Alton but was somewhat of a disappointment


Liberty was a #1, Anderson about #10, Smith was about #45, and Bardo
was a #60-70 comming out of high school.

I don't know about Battle.  Small was not highly recruited by any school 
of note, and signed an Illinois letter of intent almost as an
afterthought to the rest of the recruiting season.  He was the last to
sign.  The reason they did so well is because Battle's incredible work
ethic rubbed off on everyone.

Other recruits who signed with Gill,Anderson,Smith,Small were 
Jeff Finke, who hurt his back and switched to football and Phil
Kunz who transferred to Iowa St.  The overall class was rated about
4th or 5th best in the country.  

If anyone has access to the information please post the relative
h.s. 'rating' of Michigan's players.  Glen Rice, Rumeal Robinson, Terry Mills, 
Loy Vaught, Mark (?) Hughes, Sean Higgins, Demetrius Calip, Mike(?) Griffin.
Such ratings are no guarantee of success in college ball, but they do give
some idea how players were regarded/recruited in h.s.

john althauser
jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: firey@lab5.smcm.edu (Thomas A. Firey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Annoying  NCState fans
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:17:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.183316.14487@ncsu.edu> charles@sparc.ncsu.edu ("Lo")  
writes:
> Where the hell was Duke in the 1983 NCAAs?  That's right... they WEREN'T
> there!!!
> 
> Where the hell was Duke in the 1990 NCAAs?  That's right...
> THEY GOT THEIR ASS KICKED BY UNLV 103-73!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> I better not catch your nasty ass on campus or I will wipe it off the  
map!
> 
> GO  
WOLFPACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Lo"

Re: the "intelligence" of the above statement.

Are all Wolfpack fans this dense/annoying?

Is there any way to ban them from the net?

Just wondering,

Thomas
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Packer goofs up (about Eric Riley)
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:53:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr7.155323.10496
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin - Madison
Originator: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

Well, since everbody is picking on Packer, I thought I'd throw in my 2
cents worth:

Repeatedly, throughout this tournament, the CBS announcers (mainly Packer)
have said that it was interesting Riley was on the bench now, being second 
in the conference last year in blocked shots and rebounds.  I pulled out my
old stat sheet and although they were correct about Eric being 2nd in
blocked shots, he was THIRD in rebounds behind Chucky White of Purdue and
Patrick Tompkins of Wisconsin.

Where the hell does CBS get its numbers?  Or does fudge-Packer think he
knows everythings and pulls that crap off the top of his head?

And by the way - wasn't the most enjoyable part of the TV coverage when
they put that Kentucky legend (Haywood something - sorry Kentucky fans) and
Quinn Buckner on the audio (they were doing the CBS radio coverage).  I 
know a lot of people who switched to the radio for the rest of the game
after that!
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
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From: mgarber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Max D Garber)
Subject: Re: SOME Michigan Fans...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:27:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.163345.1031@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jrh28960@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (J
ason R Holdman) writes:
>
>    Does anyone remember that in 1989 when the Michigan team WON the NCAA
>Championship, the fans in the streets of Ann Arbor caused over $100,000
>worth of damage, and this year they were rioting in the streets after the loss
.
>It looks like SOME Michigan fans are even worse winners than they are losers!

I heard that boyeeeee!
From: AWP00JTF@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Location of 1994 Final Four
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:31:13 GMT
Organization: UNC Charlotte

I may be wrong on this
but isn't the 1994 final four scheduled for Charlotte, NC?
 
 
Judy
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: lowood@lindy.Stanford.EDU (Henry Lowood)
Subject: Re: Duke players judged by NBA standards
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:16:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.173900.3196@u.washington.edu> crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>There has been a lot of trash coming over the net about how Laettner will
>
>Third is Laettner.  I've already compared him to Detlef Schrempf.  He can
>shoot well and has a lot of desire.  The question will be his quickness.
>I don't know if he can drive on the much quicker big men in the NBA, but
>there is always a place for 6'11" guys who have inside-outside games.
>
The predictions about Laettner are all driving in the same rut.  The emphasis
on quickness seems misplaced.  He is 6'11" with long arms, which will make up
for some deficiencies in quickness, though I am not sure which matchups are
so much quicker than he.  He has decent mobility for his size.  Now if you 
want to talk about a guy for whom lack of quickness is a real problem, how 
about Chris Mullin?  Yeah, now there's a guy who has had nothing but 
problems adjusting to quicker guys in the NBA.  Magic was not "quick" for his
position.  Etc., etc.  I suppose it's easy to get hung up on one dimension--
remember how Larry Johnson shrank to about 5'11" in the discussion on this
board last year?  Yeah, he's having a LOT of trouble at that power forward
position.  Just too darn short for the NBA.  

Laettner has some things going for him.  He has a great shot that has just
improved from year to year.  Nobody has a better inside-outside game in
college (although Byron Houston is probably close).   The college game, with
the zones and double-teaming, can easily bog down a big guy, yet Laettner has
been able to develop his skills offensively.  He put on weight and held it.  
These are all good signs.  Probably the weakest factor to emerge in the 
tourney was a possible lack of physical and mental stamina, but the 2d half
of the title game may have helped him, at least with the scouts.

He will go 2d to 4th in the draft and will be a very good player if he gets
into the right situation.  Schrempf, by the way, is probably a pretty good
comparison.  I just don't see that much resemblance to Ferry, who was a 
very mechanical player in college, except for the height and skin pigment.
Another player with no more physical skills who is doing quite well is
Rony Seikaly.   Billy Owens, who isn't much of a leaper and doesn't yet 
shoot as well as Laettner, is another one.  Owens is a reach, I admit, because
he will be a GREAT player, but his physical skills are not above average for
the NBA either.  

Henry
From: kenneth@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: UMich and poor losers
Date: 7 Apr 92 05:55:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: ducvax.1992Apr7.005549.2264

In article <1992Apr5.141634.3697@gw.wmich.edu>, x90townsen12@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> The Wolverines can talk the game, but can they play the game?
> 
> Believe me, they can PLAY the game!
> 
> Now there's only one last team to convince.
> 
> Duke is goin' down!
...in History as the only team to repeat as NCAA Champions in the last 19
years!  
However, I think Michigan's team played well.  The did a GREAT job against
Laettner in the first half, although whoever was guarding Grant Hill did
a poor job in denying him the baseline drive.  I thought Laettner did a good
job in the second half, coming out and playing the way he's capable of
playing.  I think that layup and the 3 he hit early on did a lot to boost his
confidence in the second half.  

As far as POOR SPORTSMANSHIP goes, I think that award must be given to the
Michigan fans in Ann Arbor who went into a sort of a riot there after they 
lost the championship game.  I saw on CNN that an officer in that town
was injured when he was hit by a thrown object.  Geez, it's just a game!


Ken
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: The NCAA controls college basketball
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:09:21 GMT

rjones+@pitt.edu (Randy Jones) writes:
>Would you care to speculate on HOW the NCAA carries out this evil agenda?
>I guess with your knowledge of who the NCAA was going to let be national
>champion that last two years, you've really cleaned up with the bookies.
>Who's going to be the champ next year?

	Certainly not UNLV.  U have to understand, the NCAA is not going to
	allow anything to happen that's going to make them look bad.  For
	instance, if they ever make an attempt to investigate a school for
	wrongdoing -- U can bet that whether or not allegations are actually
	proved, that school is going on probation of some sort.  The reason --
	the NCAA is not going to spend money and make a trip down to a campus
	and come up with nothing -- it would make them look like fools.  So,
	they inflict a penalty to make it look like they found something.
	Simple as that.

	As for HOW the NCAA might carry out the evil agenda -- I dunno --
	ask them.  But U can bet they could do anything they wanted to --
	i.e. pay the refs, fix up the bracket a certain way, etc...  Not to
	say that they will, but they could.  The NCAA has WAY too much control
	over college athletics.  Just look at their rulebook sometime and
	you'll see what I mean.

	Jazzy J
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From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Subject: Re: UMASS news
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:52:16 GMT

In article <17445.29e437c5@ecs.umass.edu> granowit@ecs.umass.edu wrote:
> 	Calipari is hoping to establish UMASS as the college basketball team of
> Massachusetts.  UMASS has been for so long behind the shadows of its eastern
> MA private school rivals. 

Shadows?  BC's?  Harvard's?  Tufts'?  They cast all the shadow of a speck of
dust at midnight.

Oh, wait, you must mean MIT's . . .
--
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	oliver@athena.mit.edu /	joliver@hstbme.mit.edu
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From: navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant Pathology)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: What a crappy Championship game
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:11:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Biological Computing Consortium, OSU, Corvallis, OR.

Russ Smith writes:

>Duke beat UNLV last year and UNLV was loaded with talent.
True, doesnt mean DUke has anywhere near that level of talent though. If
DUKE_UNLV played 10 times last year UNLV wins 9 of them by 20. On any given
day any team etc etc etc.

>Look at all the first round picks Duke has--they are loaded with talent.

Arguable. Grant Hill may/may not be a NBA star. Have to see how he does next
year. He is never double teamed so of course he has good stats this year. I agree 
he looks good, but lets see how he does when the pressure is on him and he is
THE MAN.
As far as the rest of the talent. Parks is coasting on his high school rep.
He has yet too show he can be a dominating college player--but hey, its his
first year. Before we start calling him great why dont we let him prove it?
No way he is a lottery pick at this point.  T. Hill a #1??????? Only if he
picks up his game several notches. No way he is a #1 if he came out this year.
Hurley a #1?  I doubt it--he is a good college player but I don't know that
he can handle the Pro game. Laettner..................He will go high this year
but will he be a star in the NBA? I doubt it. Might be wrong though.
No way he has Larry Johnson's talent. 
As i see it Duke might put a couple of players in the NBA but none of them will
be stars--have to wait and see what hill does next year.  

Roy
From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Kentucky HS Mr. Basketball
Date: 14 Apr 92 05:03:23 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology


In article <1992Apr14.003343.16662@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) wrote:
> 
> 	To those who follow Kentucky basketball -- who was named HS
> 	Kentucky Mr. Basketball this season and what college is he going
> 	to attend?

Isn't he required  or something to go to UK?  Like there's a state law
saying if he doesn't, they string up his dog?
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