From: Duc.M.Pham@dartmouth.edu
Subject: Re: [SOC] NON SONG MAGAZINE & AUTHOR'S PREROGATIVES
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Reply-To: Duc.Pham@dartmouth.edu
Date: 14 Nov 92 02:12:07 GMT

--- (** N.T.K.C.D. ***) wrote:

2. Should we ask permission for all the poems & all the songs posted on
	Vietnet? Anyone has phone # cu?a Pha.m Duy, or thi si~
	Ngo.c Anh? :-)
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DMP-Thanks for your concern and time, but inspite of the long message (you
wrote), you just miss the point.  Pham Duy et al are public figures, and thus
their work are treated differently from others.  They intent to have their
stuff published to as large an audience as possible.  Are you sure everyone
who wrote something on some media has the same intention??  Your analogy is
like demanding for permission to reprint Phan Boi Chau's poems.  This is a
fallacy of argument.

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3. If I read a GREAT poem in Horizons Magazine can I just post it
	on the net with author and source of course and share with Netters,
	"see I found a good pomes in Horizons here"..

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DMP-Thanks for the good intention.  I think it's a good idea you have here.
But it's very much appreciated if the author/publisher is notified in
advance.  This is common couresy.

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Just a few question from a confused netter :-)

Your concern about copyrights violation by NonSong (A non-profit magazine
by students of VSAs and Union of VSAs) should be directed to their staff.
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DMP-Although the message I wrote greatly concerned Non Song, it also was
directed to relevant actions onthe net.  That is, to encourage individuals on
the net and else where to make the effort to ask for permission when
appropriate.

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I don't think any NonSong staff is on the Net. From what I know, NonSong
only Extract special articles and poems from member VSAs' Magazines and
Newsletters to redistribute to a larger audience.
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DMP-I am aware of and appreciate what Non Song has been doing.  In fact, I
**have contributed** to Non Song and ***will contribute more*** in the
future.  Again, in here, I can't see the reasoning behind your argument, that
my simple disagreement with one of a great institution's action makes you
think that I'm against Non Song.  I'm not.
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Every extracted article in NonSo^ng do carry a FULL SOURCE and NAME
of the original author :-)

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DMP-I'm sorry but I think this is inaccurate.  Most of the author's
instituations are mentioned, but not all.  But this is irrelevant in the
discussion.  However, Non Song had the byline of "Byline" as Nguyen Phuong
Quynh Trang, thereby defeating the intention of the author and the theme of
the story.  You see, sometime talking solves these little problems and help
retain the original theme and content of the piece and the friendliness
between the party involved.

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 know we are very proud if one of our poems or va(n
(by USC students) got chosen for reprint in Non-Song for all the other
schools
to see..

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DMP-I would be, too.  but I would probably be more proud and less indignant
if my work is being printed with my fore knowledge.

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I don't see how Non-Song can hurt your Horizon publication :-)

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DMP- I know for sure it hurt the **author's feelings**.  I wonder if that
matters ??!?!? It's a matter of respect.  Mutual respect can only take place
if two sides strive to achieve it.

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Geeee, do I have to call up all the authors I cited on my Biblio in my thesis
to get permission now? Just kidding :-))

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DMP-Another fallacy of argumentation.  Just kidding :-) I don't see why you
compare what I said with this instance.

I know that I might have sounded uptight, considering what's deemed common
practice.  But it's inappropriate to compare SCV with any paper media, for or
non-profit alike.  The author is really the one whose prerogative Itry to
protect.  Professionally, I would like to have further communication and
partnership with Non Song.  But that should not and wouldnot keep me from
criticising their wrong-doing.  Even if something like that happened to
Horizons, I'd do all I can heal the pain and indignance of the author.

Duc M Pham
-Di kho^ng ddo^?i te^n, dde^'n kho^ng ddo^?i ho.  :-))

Note- What I said here and before do not necessarily reflect the opinion of
the editorial staff of Horizons.  This is an individual opinion.  (The NS
staff, of course, is the only party that deals this (matter) with the editors
of Horizons.)