From: tensmekl@infonode.ingr.com (Kermit Tensmeyer)
Subject: Re: Are Mormons Christians? (Was: WANTED: Former LDS, ...)
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:37:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.203636.29896@newsgate.sps.mot.com> ACUS10@WACCVM.SPS.MOT.COM (Mark Fuller) writes:

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>        In one of his attacks on Christians, the Mormon Apostle Bruce R.
>McConkie said they "thrash around in...darkness in trying to identify
>Elohim and Jehovah and to show their relationship to the promised
>Messiah." He also said Christians are wrong to believe "that Jehovah is
>the Supreme Deity [God the Father]," and that Christ "came into
>mortality" as His "Only Begotten" Son. McConkie then stated what Mormons
>believe today to be the truth about the matter. He said that "Elohim is
>the Father" and "Jehovah is the Son."
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>        Agreeing with McConkie on the question of who "Elohim" and
>"Jehovah" are, the Apostle James E. Talmage stated:
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	Gee Talmage (who wrote _Jesus The Christ_ maybe 40 years before
  McConkie wrote either _Mormon Doctrine_ or McConkie's Christ multi-volume
  set) would be glad to know that that you think that they have stated
  the LDS position on Christ and God properly.


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>        Remember, McConkie stated that "some sectarians even believe
>that Jehovah is the Supreme Deity," and that Christ "came into
>mortality" as His "Only Begotten" Son. He called this concept
>"misinformation" that is "untrue." 


 When I was on a mission, McConkie was asked about this doctrine in
 my presence. The questioner at the time was involved with the Jehova
 Wittness group, wherein McConkie remarked that the JW's had the 
 form of Godliness but denied the power thereof. He remarked that this
 apostate doctrine was a prime example of what happenes when one or
 a church attemptes to intrepret the scriptures without the influence of
 the Holy Ghost. ouch...


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>				    To prove that it is McConkie who is
>misinformed and believing untruth, two Scriptural references (2 Sam.
>7:14; Ps. 2:7) will be examined. McConkie stated the following regarding
>these Scriptures:
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 Your point? being that the promised messiah would be declared the Son
 of Jehova?  How is this different from the promise from Isaiah to Josiah
 that Josiah was heir to the promise and first born Son. My limited understanding
 that this has refercence to the convental suzuran relationship that
 the Davidic kings had because of their relationship to the God of Isreal.

 I see that you _are_ getting the Picture. Jesus is (in the mormon view)
 the one that made the promise to David (and Moses and other OT prohets)

 By the way do you see that the poetic utterins of David are sufficent
 for NT doctrine?



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>        McConkie said these verses of Scripture are "clearly Messianic,"
>and he acknowledged they teach that "Christ would come as the Son of
>God." What he is not willing to acknowledge, however, is that these
>Scriptures also teach that the Father is "Jehovah" and that the
>"sectarians" who believe "Jehovah is the Supreme Deity whose Son" is
>Jesus Christ, "the Only Begotten," are right in their belief.
>

 Gee, you want more stuff from the LDS Book of Mormon: Look up Abinidi
 and the lecture on why Jehova is both Father and Son.



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>        While Mormons are right when they say Jesus is "Jehovah," they
>are wrong when they say He is not "Elohim." The Bible reveals that
>"Jehovah" is the only true "Elohim" there is; all others are false.
>Remember, "Jehovah" is the personal name of the triune God who has
>revealed Himself in the Bible.
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>        This examination has shown that the "Elohim" of Mormonism, like
>the "Elohim" in Ju. 10:6 is not the true "Jehovah Elohim." Therefore,
>the people who leave the true "Elohim" for the Mormon "Elohim" will do
>"evil...in the sight of the LORD [Jehovah]."
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>        Although McConkie attacked Christians for their belief in a
>triune God who is Spirit and for their belief that God the Father
>[Jehovah] sent His Son into the world, these beliefs are true. God is
>triune; He is Spirit; He is "Jehovah;" and He did send His Son into the
>world to redeem mankind.
>

	Nope, Christ is resurrected. Christ is God Jehovah
	We know and worship the Father through His Son Jesus Christ.
	Mormons claim that there is no other way to approach the
	Father execpt through the Son.


  All that this proves is that Mormons are not JW's. :-) If the Mormons
  aren't JW then they must be Christian huh? ;-)


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>Mark
><standard disclaimer>
>
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