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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:01:03 -0700
From:         5DEW004@SCC.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Prostitutes and Self Respect

 I disagree. The newest level a person can sink to the person who
profits from a prostitutes efforts.  Prostitutes are the victoms
in most instances.  They are in a situation they don't always
control.
Brenda Vermilyea 5dew004 scc. marilcopa.edu
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Subject:      Signing off the list.

Kathleen's request to sign off XCULT-L has been expedited.
As a reminder to all subscribers, signing off is simple, but
it is just as simple to forget how to do it.  Send the following
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....

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That message must appear on the first message line, not the Subject line.
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Oliver Seely
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:21:30 EST
From:         Arguria <AKEHAGIA@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Problems in the Balkans....
              18 Nov 1992 12:10:48 GMT from <eeipml@EEIUC.ERICSSON.SE>

Peter,
    Please keep us in touch, if not just me whith what is going on
there.  I am born in the United States but my decent is from Greece and
Cyprus.
    I would like to take the time to express the Greek side of the
issue of Skopje.
     Greece use to be a much bigger country then it is now. During one
of the world wars (I forgot wich one) it lost lots of property that now
is called Skopje, Crotia, the former Yugoslave republics. The northern
part of Greece was taken away.
      The most northern part of Greece wich is left is called Macedonia.
 Skopje wants to call their country Macedonia, to do what they are doing.
To try to take more land away from Greece, and to  take the Greek history as
their own.  Lots of Famous greek people are from the Region of Macedonia.
     It is wrong to have two  different places with the same name one
right next to each other. THey will claim war on greece. THey have
imperialist intentions to take over the northern part of GReece, the region
called Macedonia after the world recognizes them with that name.  They will cla
im the region of Greece called Macedonia as part of their country and cause war
.      The Greek people are crying out to the rest of the world, and asking
them not to recognize Skopje under the name of Macedonia. To join Greece and
help avoid future conflict.

           MACEDONIA, IS,  WAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE GREEK!!!

                       I hope you understand what we mean by this now. IF I
did not make myself clear please let me know.
                                   Argyria Kehagias
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:52:00 MST
From:         Clarke Whitehead <TSCWHITEHEAD@CC.WEBER.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Prostitutes and Self Respect

>I am one of those people who do not believe in legislating morality...
>be it prostitution or smoking dope.... and if you look at studies of
>who gets charged on these issues, its mostly the poor and the minorities and
>the young....
>
>Zahir

I tend to agree, Zahir.  I believe that victimless crimes should be
de-criminalized.  While prostitution and drugs may create problems for
those who participate in them, it is impossible to stop people from harming
themselves.  Classifying these activities as illegal only creates monetary
incentives for the criminal network who will use violent and abusive
tactics to provide the services to those who are buying.  Rather than
fighting such problems as crimes, our money would be better spent in
providing counseling and assistance to those who wish to get out of
destructive situations.

Clarke
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:43:46 MEZ
From:         Uwe <UWEHAUCK@DOSUNI1.RZ.UNI-OSNABRUECK.DE>
Subject:      Re: Erich Honecker...

Just one short remark on Erich Honecker being ill.
I don't believe that this news should be taken seriously. That is more
a kind of lawyers way of stopping the law-suit from running.
Uwe
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:16:49 EST
From:         Kerry Reese <U350000@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Prostitutes and Self Respect
              22 Nov 1992 18:24:56 -0500 from <x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU>

   The prostitutes are not spreading evil, they are victims of evil.
What about the MEN who go to prostitutes? Why haven't they been blamed?
Women are human beings too, they are just forced to live in a man's evil
world.
From: x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU
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Subject: Re: open
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:49:27 GMT
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Zahir..
could you please post the whole article...

ahmed
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:21:00 -0700
From:         "Janet C. Constantinides" <CONSTANT@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Problems in the Balkans....

Thanks to Peter for the news about Skopia and northern Greece.  This
"battle" has been going on for some time now.  It has to do with
the definition of Macedonia.  Part of northern Greece is included
in that; Greece maintains that Macedonia is and has always been Greek.

I was at a conference in Berlin two weeks ago.  A registrant listed
himself as being from Macedonia.  When the participant list was
printed, the Greeks in attendance protested that there is no such
recognized country and insisted that the conference organizers put
a notice in the daily bulletin to that effect.

I, too, am afraid of some war/fighting in the region.

BTW, Peter, who and where are you?  How did you get this news?
I live in Wyoming [what I often refer to as the American Outback].
and it is difficult to get current world news from sources other
than the 3 major American networks (and we all know how much news
they present  :-)   )

Janet C. Constantinides
CONSTANT@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:45:27 MEZ
From:         Uwe <UWEHAUCK@DOSUNI1.RZ.UNI-OSNABRUECK.DE>
Subject: Re: Erich Honecker...
              13 Nov 1992 15:06:25 -0700 from <CONSTANT@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>

At least for the east germans it is in fact the system being on trial.
They at least want someone to be "punished" for what the government
has done to them all the years. (And, having visited East-Germany once
I must say it is an emotional point of view, but very reasonable for
east germans. They were punished in certain ways that give them
every reason to be angry...)
Uwe
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:11:16 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Prostitutes and Self Respect

Argyria,

Las Vegas does have legalized prostitution and brothels and they also
have standards.....  Standards are possible...also prostitution is
present in just about every city.... AND TOLERATED without standards..

The rich and the white collared get away with less punishment and fewer
arrests and convictions than the poor and the minority....same thing in the
prostitution business....as long as the prostitute operates out of escort
services or private home with intelligence, she is rarely bothered.. when the
runaway or the poor prostitute walks down the street looking for someone
to please in a car because she has no place, she gets busted.....

z
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:14:28 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: open

Ahmed,

Refresh me, what article would you like me to post?

zahir
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Date:         Sun, 15 Nov 1992 14:55:32 -0500
From:         x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU
Subject:      Re: Prostitutes and Self Respect

hello...

What does esteem.....mean and demeaning...

Ahmed
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:06:00 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Role of the United Nations

"I wonder what would happen if the U.S. would withdraw  from the U.N"..
the same thing when a king abdicates....he can live in quiet luxury and
let the kingdom initially suffer...But like most kings, when one is hung up
on power, one rarely abdicates....

As for "If the other countries want to overthrow, they can get together and
overthrow or remove the U.S. from the U.N.".... Thats like people in Iraq
organizing to overthrow Saddam or in Iran overthrow the Mullah's or
the Palestinians overthrow the Israelis.... the price is too much to pay.
Remember, I said the U.S. is a BENEVOLENT dictator providing lots of
carrots and waving sticks...and in the CIA and assorted other secret
agencies, they have the power to knock of opposition and have done
it....assasinations (Allende) and kidnappings (Noreiga) included....

zahir
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:10:48 GMT
From:         Peter Mandal <eeipml@EEIUC.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      Problems in the Balkans....

Have any of you heard the news (yesterday) about the
continuing problems in northern Greece with Scopia (spelling?).
Scopia is a region/country/whatever (like Croatia/Serbia....etc) in
southern (ex-) Yugoslavia.

Apparently a map has been issued by the political leader of Scopia
which includes parts of Bulgaria, Albania and Northern Greece in
Scopia!

Needless to say, the Greeks (for one) are none too happy with the map!

A lot of my Greek co-workers here fear a war (be it small) in the
not too distant future.

Also, I believe that the Croatians and the Muslims are now fighting
EACH OTHER in the former Yugoslavia.

Sorry for more sad news........
                                                  Peter
From: x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU
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Subject: Re: Veils, etc.
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:52:08 GMT
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Peter ..

I am from Pakistan.....and right now I am in USA...yes I was amazed by the
culture here.. It has many good things...

Ahmed
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:27:13 EST
From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Prostitutes & this (oh!) so evil world

Hey Brian...good email...about BLAME...ejoyed it...gosh I've been out
of touch... EVERYONE HAVE A HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!! Gobble, gobble
:)!!!!!

/Emmy
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:04:00 CST
From:         "Phil Gerdes K-State Univ." <PHILG@KSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Prostitutes and Self Respect

From: Argyria Kehagias <AKEHAGIA@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>
>  I am not sure who said this, but I think part of the message was
}when a therapist sits and hour, charges $100 to relieve someones tension
}he/she is respected, when someone is paid to massage the neck muscles
}and give a massage to reduce tentsion tis ok but when a person achieves
}the same result with sex she is vullified

>What this person failed to realize in my personal opinion is that these
things, such a thearopy, massaging and other things services of this type
>are proffesional services.  THese people that give these services
>go to school, aquire knowledge, and are taught properly how to deal with
>people and thier problems.
    *** stuff deleted ****

Are you suggesting that if a school would teach the prostitutes how to
work with other people then it would be alright for people to be a
prostitute?  They would probably want to have their titles
changed to something like:   surrogate mates

-Phil---------------------PHILG@KSUVM------------------------------------
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  to tell such LIES!
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Date:         Sun, 15 Nov 1992 15:14:49 EST
From:         "Paul John (Puotinen) Kurf" <A250@NMUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Prostitutes and Ahmed

Seems to me our world is sufficiently versed in "blame, shame, maim,"
etc.  How about pointing out a few things that scream for our collective
focusing?  Such as elaborating on the worth and dignity of various
oppressed peoples, rather than vent on the suggested worthlessness and
indignity of people who, for whatever reason, choose to behave in
manners not ours to judge. . . .comments?
From: larry@CLUBMEZZ.BERKELEY.EDU (Larry)
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Date: 18 Nov 92 22:00:01 GMT
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Does anyone have any information or documents
on the Yup'ik population and culture?

I'm in Alaska working on a cross-cultural project, specifically
on developing a program or curriculum to help Non-Native
health professionals work with Natives and be culturally-relevant
in their approaches...I can be contacted directly at:
larry@clubmezz.berkeley.edu
Thanks.
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:36:55 EST
From:         Kerry Reese <U350000@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Role of the United Nations

   The word that bothers me here is "benevolent".  If, during the Cold
War period, the United States and the Soviet Union interferred with the
domestic politics of other countries and undermined the legitimacy of
these countries, then are they "benevolent"? The United States is a
powerful military force, but it's reign is coming to an end. It suffers
from the same disease of the Roman Empire, Great Britain, and other
powers with an empire or world-wide sphere of influence. That disease is
called "imperial overstretch" (From a book; I forget the name). It means
that the United States has spent too much money and resources around the
world to maintain its presence, but it has neglected its domestice affairs.
The Cold War is over, our economy suffers, the people are discontent, and
Germany and Japan are introducing the new era of success: Money, not guns.
We see the creation of a Western European bloc, and intense, successful
Japanese investment in the Pacific. Latin America is alienated from us,
so where do we go? Unless the United States gets United, its position
in the world will be seized.(finally).

                                            Kerry
                                            USA
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:53:00 MST
From:         5DEW004@SCC.BITNET
Subject:      Introduction

Hi, My name is Brenda Vermilyea, I am a student at Scottsdale
Community College.  I am subscribing to this list to gain
experience on electronic mail communication.
Brenda Vermilyea 5dew004 scc. Marilcopa. edu
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:01:08 EST
From:         oliver@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
Subject:      Forwarding a message

One of our new subscribers, Harry Gardiner, is having
"alternate node problems" at his site, so I'm forwarding
a message that he tried to post yesterday.

Oliver

********************

Asian American College Student Support Groups


Greetings -

I am looking for information on support groups that have been developed
on college or university campuses for students of Asian American heritage.
Like groups formed for Asian, Hispanic, Black, or other groups, these are
aimed at helping Asian Americans answer questions of ethnicity as well as
deal with any problems that might occur as a result of having mixed
heritage e.g. parents of differing backgrounds. For example, my wife is
Asian (Thai), I am American, and our children are Asian Americans. My
daughter, who has worked in multicultural affairs at a small midwestern
college, was a member of an Asian society and recently started a group
for Asian American students.

We are hoping to gather data on such groups and present it at an Asian
American conference to be held at the University of Wisconsin-La Crosse
in March 1993.

Any information would be greatly appreciated. For example, schools that
have such groups, their success or failure, who we might contact for
additional information, etc.

Many thanks.

Harry Gardiner
gardiner@vax2.winona.msus.edu
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 08:01:55 -0700
From:         "Janet C. Constantinides" <CONSTANT@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
Subject: Re: rape

Zahir, thanks for the clarification.  But since you had used the example
of sports several times in your messages, I thought it was time to
challenge it  :-)

Janet
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:21:39 -0800
From:         mccalld@SONOMA.EDU
Subject:      FTP tuning in a multi-vendor environment
Comments: To: CYBER-L@uga.cc.uga.edu%MAILER.dnet@mvax.Sonoma.EDU

Greetings all:

    I'm trying to get FTP between a 180-830 and a MicroVAXII to operate
with the appearence of FAST.  I noticed that when files are FTPed between
the MicroVAX and the VAX a single MB of data seems to take about 2 seconds
but the same transfer between a MicroVAXII and the same 830 seems to take
about 2 minutes.
    Perhaps there are some parameters for the CYBER FTP that I could change
to accellerate this process. I don't have any reference material that I
am aware of outside of the online HELP ? stuff....
    Our network is CDCNET DI's.....
thanks aheqad of time
dmc
mccalld@sonoma.edu
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:38:11 MST
From:         "David G. Beausang" <dgb@DAISY.BLDRDOC.GOV>
Subject: Re: FTP tuning in a multi-vender environment.
Comments: To: CYBER-L@vm.gmd.de, CYBER@daisy.bldrdoc.gov, List@daisy.bldrdoc.gov

Regarding mccalld@sonoma.edu's question dated 19 Nov 92 on
FTP tuning in a multi-vender environment.

Make sure you are running the corrective code from PSR AC11824 either as
as QCU or included as part of the regular release.  We isolated this
problem and the corrective code gave us a 17 fold speed increase.

If you have problems with transfers occasionally hanging, look at PSR
AC11898.

Regards,
Dave Beausang
dgb@bldrdoc.gov
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:42:36 EDT
From:         Jeff Weinstock <NJ570C@GWUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      cyberpunk

Sorry to post this on the board--
      Jennifer (for some reason your return address didn't work for me)--my
Gibson/cyberpunk biblio. seems to be expanding exponentially, currently holding
 at about 25 pages.  If you would like a copy of the finished work FOR YOUR
PERSONAL USE ONLY in preparing for your class, forward me your mailing address
and I can send it to you late in December (hopefully at about the same time
that I try to get the thing published).  If you are looking for info./cites
on any specific topics, let me know and I can e-mail you anything that I have
that seems pertinent.

                       --Jeff (NJ570C@GWUVM)
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:14:29 EDT
From:         JEFF WEINSTOCK <NJ570C@GWUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      INQUIRY

     INTRIGUED BY THE 'CYBER' ASPECT OF THE TITLE,II HAVE SIGNED ONTO THISLIST
AND NOW FIND MYSELF WONDERING IF THIS LIST PERTAINS TO 'CYBERPUNK' AS SUCH.  I
AM CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF COMPILING AN EXTENDED ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY ON
WILLIAM GIBSON/CYBERPUNK AND ANY CITATIONS DIRECTED TOWARDS ME ON THE SUBJECTS
GIBSON, CYBERPUNK, CYBORGS AND NECESSARY BACKGROUND/SECONDARY READING WILL BE
GREATLY APPRECIATED.  THANKS.

                             --JEFF (NJ570C@GWUVM)
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From: RAICER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Bob Raicer)
Subject: Re: 3420 channel extenders
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:02:54 GMT

In article <BxKK6B.83x@unx.sas.com>
snowjm@UNX.SAS.COM ((Bill McKeown)) writes:
 
>
>We have a string of IBM 3420-8 tape drives with a 3803-2 controller that
>are greater than 200 feet from the processor and thus, we need to have
>channel extenders to get them to work.  We currently use IBM 3044
>channel extenders to attach 3x74 controllers in another building, but
>our IBM CEs tell us that 3044s are not supported for 3420.  We are
>looking for alternatives to accomplish our task.  Additionally, in about
>3 months, these same tape drives will be moving to another building away
>from the processor and these same channel extenders will have to do the
>trick for the long distance move (1 mile).
>
>My question is, does anybody use channel extenders on their 3420 round
>tape drives?  If so, what kind do you use and are you satisfied with
>the vendor?
>
>Any information you might provide will be greatly appreciated.
>
>--
>========================================================================
>* Bill McKeown                     SAS Institute Inc.                  *
>* Systems Programmer               SAS Campus Drive                    *
>* SNOWJM@MVS.SAS.COM               Cary, NC  27512-2414                *
>========================================================================
 
I believe that Network Systems Corporation, AT&T/Paradyne, and McData
Corporation all offer various flavors of channel extenders that work
with 3420 tape subsystems.
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(303) 673-5087
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