HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
>From: hrlaser@crash.cts.com (Harv Laser)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: dependence on time of year
Date: 30 Jan 91 16:13:17 GMT
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA

Andy.. the California Division of Mines and Geology has a BBS up and
running in the Sacramento area. It's at 916-327-1208, 300/1200/2400.
It's popular "Wildcat" software running on some kind of MS-DOS machine.
You might want to liase with the sysop there.

Be advised that we echo the weekly reports from CalTech and USGS on
our bbs at 916-327-1208.  And, we do the uudecoding for you.  If
you miss the reports and want copies of past reports, all that we
have received are available as ZIP files -- downloads are possible
on your first call.  Log on at 8-N-1, please.

-- 
           Ted Smith  --  tcs.sactoh0.SAC.CA.US
         California Division of Mines and Geology
        Call our MS-DOS based bbs (CDMG ONLINE) at
                   916-327-1208 8-N-1



Harv Laser                                      {anywhere}!crash!hrlaser
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From: gws@Ingres.COM (Glenn Sharp)
Subject: Re: rain and earthquakes
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: ca
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:01:28 GMT

I won't speak for everyone reading ca.earthquakes, but I certainly
appreciate the level of detail and the presence of "scientific"
discussion here. 
	Much more interesting than Jack Coles latest predictions...
	Thanks,

--
Glenn Sharp		gws@ingres.com

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From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Re: "Hot, dry weather causes earthquakes"
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:50:46 GMT


>ABC Sports crew

Yes!  I will admit to an irrational thought or two the next time I saw
the Goodyear Blimp, too :-).
-- 
Kathleen Creighton                     {pacbell,hplabs,apple,ucbvax}!well!casey
San Francisco                          casey@well.sf.ca.us
       Just another annoyingly devoted Akita owner
Xref: sparky ca.earthquakes:765 sci.geo.geology:1726
From: cowen@jade.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes,sci.geo.geology
Subject: Landers quakes and oil seeps
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:15:10 GMT
Reply-To: cowen@jade.ucdavis.edu
Followup-To: ca.earthquakes
Organization: Geology Department, University of California, Davis

No-one from southern California answered the query about oil seeps after
the Landers quake, so here's my two cents, summarized from a Northern
California paper of low quality, featuring an AP story by Lynn Elber,
July 22, 1992.
It said that increased oil flow from natural seeps in the Santa Susana
mountains, Ventura County, was first observed by local residents on July
8, 10 days after the large quakes on June 28. The oil seeps have been
known for decades, so the increase is real. The flows total 2300 gallons
a week of crude oil, and ran down two tributaries into the Santa Clara
River. According to an EPA spokesman, the flow killed insects, oiled at
least one bird, and posed a potential threat to an endangered species,
the unarmored three-spine stickleback.
The US Coast Guard somehow blocked off further flows, and the trapped oil
was being pumped and collected. Several miles of river had been affected to
that point. $100,000 had been released from Federal trust money under the
Oil Pollution Act for a clean-up that would last into September.
Geologically, the important fact here is that the increased oil flows are
150 miles from the epicentral area.
The AP story was accompanied by a photo of TV newsmen taking pictures of
a "weeping pond" near Piru, Ventura County, so there was probably more
detailed coverage down there than there was in northern California.

Richard Cowen
From: stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: "Hot, dry weather causes earthquakes"
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:09:54 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Originator: stgprao@xing

In article <1992Jul22.172704.20914@ttinews.tti.com> paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:
>She mentioned that again right after the twin tremors.  Sure enough,
>it was abnormally hot & no wind  a few hours after they hit.  I 
>had been dismissing it as just a coincidence and now am surprised
>to learn that she is not alone in these observations.  Now I wonder.
>People used to dismiss Folk Medicine as "old wives tales", but some
>drug company took it serious enough to research all these tales &
>found some had merit.  So, do not be too quick to discount it.

Both the Loma Prieta and Landers mag 7 earthquakes put a lot of dust in the
air.  It was kind of a "carpet shaking" effect.  I wonder if this affects
the ground level atmospheric ionization and thereby affect people's
*perception* of the weather.  For example, I find the feeling just before a
thunderstorm exhilirating, and the warm winter winds in California are
depressing.
From: samlb@optilink.UUCP (Sam Bassett)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: rain and earthquakes
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:41:36 GMT
Organization: Nosy curmudgeon

In article <50981@seismo.CSS.GOV> stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead) writes:
>Sure it is.  Perhaps not everyone will follow the discussion (I do try
>to keep jargon out of it, even when debating a point like this), but
>I'm sure most of those who read the group can because they're generally
>interested in quakes.  

	Hear! Hear!

	Keep it up -- I, for one, _like_ your postings and the
discussions you get into -- I learn from them!!

-- 
Sam'l Bassett -- System Administrator 	      (among other silly things)
Work: DSC/Optilink, 1310-C Redwood Wy, Petaluma CA 94954; 1-707-792-7253
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Xref: sparky ca.earthquakes:709 sci.geo.geology:1696
From: mgm@clipper.ingr.com (Mike Marfell)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes,sci.geo.geology
Subject: Re: "Early Warning Earthquake Forecast" from Jack Cole
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:53:53 GMT
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

> > 
> > 
> > ...............Beginning of FAX mail message from Jack Cole................
> > 
> > FAX received: Monday, July 13, 1992, 10:11 GMT
> >                        EARLY 
> >                             WARNING
> >                                    EARTHQUAKE
> >                                              FORECASTERS
> > On Monday, July 13, 1992 at 08:01 and 15:39 GMT we received a 1 second
> > pulse of substantial amplitude between 1 kHz and 10 kHz.  The signal
> > 
> > ...............End of FAX mail message from Jack Cole................
> > 
> Hmmmm,
> 
> Looks like a typo here. "FAX received: Monday, July 13, 1992, 10:11 GMT"
> seems to indicate that the fax must have been sent out no later than at that time.
> Yet "On Monday, July 13, 1992 at 08:01 and 15:39 GMT we received..." seems to
> imply that the fax is talking about a "pulse" which will not occur until 5
> hours and 28 minutes after the transmission. Did I miss something ?
> 
> -Sven

       Dont you see! He's forecasting a "pulse" at 15:39 GMT. 

                                                         -Mike
-- 
            "Just a little knowledge can be dangerous"  ....Burmashave

Mike Marfell                                      mgm@clipper.ingr.com
From: bryan@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Bryan L. Allen)
Subject: Re: building on fault
Followup-To: ca.earthquakes
Summary: Bricks are Bad, Wood is Good
Keywords: bricks wood-framed quakes
Organization: Telos Corp., Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:52:54 GMT

In article <mm8eoB2w163w@quake.sylmar.ca.us> nateh@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Nate Hawthorn) writes:
>>>First, I disagree with the basic premise here.  Only if the building 
>actually
>straddles the fault is there any problem.  In that case part of the
>building goes one way and the rest the other, and sure, that's a hard
>problem to design around.
> 
> 
>What's really fun to do is to go to PALMDALE at about R-13 and 20th!
> 
>They built houses with the ROAD in front RIGHT ON THE FAULT (san andreas)
>and the front driveways are VERY LONG going towards the houses. THere's
>some building code there that says that you can't build within 200
>feet of a known fault!!
> 
>I can't wait for the big one, those houses will be nice firewood for
>the winter!!
> 
>What bothers me is that we have to PAY for those houses when they
>declare a "desaster area". I think we should say that anything
>built within 2 miles of a known fault is EXEMPT from any payment of
>our tax dollars!!
> 
>I know that GREED says that we shouldn't WASTE that land, but
>waht about the LIVES when a quake hits???
> 
>I think its a big GREED problem and that building planners will have
>egg on their face when all those houses in palmdale come crashing down!
> 
>(just my opinion here...)

Well, don't worry about houses in Palmdale built right next to the
fault -- people will die in Pasadena and Long Beach underneath piles of
bricks in much greater numbers than will die in wood-framed houses in
Palmdale when that part of the San Andreas lets go.

Better to question why houses in Southern California are still allowed
to be built with brick fireplaces. Several houses just down the street
from me still have downed chimneys and roof damage from the Sierra Madre
earthquake of last year (epicenter about 10 miles from our house). And
much of the destruction I saw on the news in the Big Bear area was due
to fallen chimneys, not to mention the only death from the Landers quake
being due to a chimney fall.

Hmm. Do the houses you mentioned in Palmdale have brick chimneys?



-- 
            Bryan L. Allen       bryan@devvax.jpl.nasa.gov
            Telos Corp./JPL      (818) 306-6425
From: hauk@s24.es.llnl.gov (Terri Hauk  423-7332)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: "Hot, dry weather causes earthquakes"
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:13:53 GMT
Distribution: ca

In article <1992Jul22.172704.20914@ttinews.tti.com>, paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:
|> In article <14f4qbINNe35@agate.berkeley.edu> greg@perry.berkeley.edu (Greg Anderson) writes:
|> +The theory of "earthquake weather" actually originated about
|> +2500 years ago with Aristotle.  It was his theory that earthquakes
|> +were caused by gas trapped within the earth, blowing and 
|> +rumbling about, causing underground explosions.  Thus, when the
|> +air was still and hot, the theory went, an earthquake was coming
|> +because the winds were trapped in the earth.
|> +
|> +Needless to say, that is not how earthquakes happen.  Yet people
|> +still persist in the belief of earthquake weather.  The simple
|> +fact is that earthquakes are no more likely to happen in hot
|> +dry weather than they are in cold, wet weather.  Earthquakes
|> +and weather are not at all correlated.
|> 
|> My wife never knew Aristotle :-).  Neither had she ever heard of that
|> theory.  (Perhaps it was because we migrated from NYC 17 years ago).
|> However, her own unscientific observations were that most earthquakes
|> happen when the weather is hot & still.
|> 
|> She mentioned that again right after the twin tremors.  Sure enough,
|> it was abnormally hot & no wind  a few hours after they hit.  I 
|> had been dismissing it as just a coincidence and now am surprised
|> to learn that she is not alone in these observations.  Now I wonder.
|> People used to dismiss Folk Medicine as "old wives tales", but some
|> drug company took it serious enough to research all these tales &
|> found some had merit.  So, do not be too quick to discount it.
|> 
|> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|>     Paul D. Blumstein, paulb@tti.com, DoD #36, KD6LAA, LS/MFT
|>          Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA
*******************************************************************************

I wonder about the coincidence of hot, dry weather and large earthquakes in
the Aleutian Islands or northern Kamchatka...................

Earthquakes happen all over the world every day, guys. The climate and the 
weather is not the same all over the world, every day.

Anyway, what is the supposed mechanism between ambient air temperature and 
earthquake rupture 5-20 km beneath the surface (for California)?

Terri Hauk
Seismology and Applied Geophysics
LLNL, L-205
hauk@s24.es.llnl.gov
From: rah@public.BTR.COM (Richard A Hyde  rah@btr.com)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: Route 9 (Was: Info on "USGS In-Situ Stress Project" ?)
Date: 22 Jul 92 03:42:47 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

In article <1992Jul20.172612.21348@ntmtv> adrian@ntmtv.UUCP (Adrian Brandt) writes:
|In article <7453@public.BTR.COM>, rah@btr.BTR.COM (Richard A Hyde  rah@btr.com) writes:
||> A number of solar powered "objects" of some sort have been installed
||> in a vacant lot in Palo Alto.  The lot is near the intersection of
||> Page Mill Rd. (Oregon Expy) and California.
|
|These streets are parallel and so obviously don't intersect...
|

How embarrassing :-)  You're right, of course.  The "objects" are
roughly at the corner of Park Blvd and Sheridan Ave.  This intersection
sits in the NW angle formed by the intersection of Oregon/Page Mill and
Alma/Central Expy.  I *still* don't know what they are :-(

Rick



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From: rah@public.BTR.COM (Richard A Hyde  rah@btr.com)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: rain and earthquakes
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:11:11 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

In article <50981@seismo.CSS.GOV> stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead) writes:
|
|> Well, this may not be the appropriate forum for a scientific debate, but
|
|Sure it is.  Perhaps not everyone will follow the discussion (I do try
|to keep jargon out of it, even when debating a point like this), but
|I'm sure most of those who read the group can because they're generally
|interested in quakes.  If I have to use something that may be unfamiliar,
|I'll quickly explain it in the post (like the description of failed rifts
|in my last post).  Most of the readers will be happy to see what you have to
|say.  (But maybe we shouldn't get too far down some tangent that may get
|boring to everyone else).
|
|

Yes!  Please continue.  This is the most interesting discussion I've ever
seen in this newsgroup.  I've saved the articles to re-read.. off to
the library...  :-)

Rick


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From: stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: survey benchmarks
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:57:55 GMT
Distribution: ca

In article <1992Jul21.162658.9112@qualcomm.com>, karn@chicago.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn) writes:
> 
> Yes, I believe you're right, but isn't it true that fault zones (at
> least in California) typically consist of weak, shattered rock a few
> hundred feet wide so you are never really sure exactly where the
> surface faulting will occur? If the faulting misses your structure it
> may well survive if it is well built to withstand the shaking because,
> ...
> But if you build that close to a fault you are nonetheless taking a
> major gamble that the fault won't decide to come up right underneath

Absolutely.  The fractured and crushed zone of the San Andreas can be as wide
as a mile (depending on what you count as fractured).  However, the active
trace can usually be determined to within 2 or 3 feet.  This is why they
can site displacement meters on the fault (these are basically a cable between
two piers and the idea is that the cable will play out as the fault moves).
If you can't find the fault to within a couple feet, it would be pointless
to install the instrument.  I helped site one of these once when I had less
experience finding the active trace.  I was close - missed it by about two
feet, but Kerry Sieh went out later and sited it correctly and the whole thing
had to be dug up and moved.  Anyway, you can indeed identify the active trace
very accurately and it is not likely to move far even in a major quake.
These migrations occur slowly over 1000's of years.  (There is another
phenomenon of fault jumping where the trace can move many miles in one
major quake - but that is unpredictable and would basically eliminate
all of CA from consideration for construction).  There is some gamble on a
major jump, but it could jump to just about anywhere, and there is some gamble
that normal migration may move the trace a few feet, so you don't want to
try and predict the fault that tightly for construction purposes.

--
Richard Stead
Center for Seismic Studies
Arlington, VA
stead@seismo.css.gov
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Subject: Re: fax
Organization: Memes-R-Us
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:04:48 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead) writes:

>> If Mr. Cole or anyone else would like to send me mailings on their
>> data, or would like a place to UPLOAD and distrubute their data, please
>> write.

>Mr Cole is not in the business of distributing his data or methods.  This is
>why scientists have a problem with him, and why he won't be sending you any-
>-thing any time soon.

>> I would like to see the data myself.

>So would I and many other scientists

Probably as a result of my open-mindedness, I *did* receive a call from
an individual interested in information about how to post Jack Coles'
research results to the Net. They didn't leave a name or number, though,
so I couldn't call back ... but I'm interested in helping, if it's needed.

-- richard

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Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
From: gws@Ingres.COM (Glenn Sharp)
Subject: Re: water tables filling up ?
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: usa
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:20:25 GMT

Maybe this is related to water table levels changing after the
Landers quake... 
Caught a snippet of a news report on the radio today about oil
seepage draining into a river and speculation about it being
the result of the recent activity... any comment or more complete
information from those who are paid to speculate?

--
Glenn Sharp			gws@ingres.com
From: c@wet.UUCP (Chuck Charlton)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: survey benchmarks
Keywords: building codes, calif, seismic
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:48:23 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

which it supplements, completely changed in 1973 as a result of the 1971
Sylmar earthquake.  Anything built since 1975 or so meets a much higher
standard than previous structures of any type.

But there is no requirement to retrofit any buildings except for K-12 schools,
and possibly some hospitals, depending on whose lawyer is interpreting that
last provision.  So a house built in 1965 might have none of the latest and
greatest features, such as cross-bracing, that serves so well in moderate
shakers. 
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
From: stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: "Hot, dry weather causes earthquakes"
Originator: stgprao@xing
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:44:36 GMT

There was a paper published by the Boston College Westin seismology lab
many decades ago that correletated the change in background seismic noise
with passing weather fronts.  I recall the paper was anecdotal rather than
statistically rigorous.  It would be speculative to extrapolate minor
background noise to major quakes.
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
From: dreger@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Doug Dreger)
Subject: Re: building on fault
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:07:55 GMT

In article <mm8eoB2w163w@quake.sylmar.ca.us> nateh@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Nate Hawthorn) writes:
>What bothers me is that we have to PAY for those houses when they
>declare a "desaster area". I think we should say that anything
>built within 2 miles of a known fault is EXEMPT from any payment of
>our tax dollars!!

There are "known faults" just about everywhere in California.

Doug
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
From: nateh@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Nate Hawthorn)
Subject: fax
Organization: Quake Public Access
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:57:52 GMT

> >
> >
> > ...............Beginning of FAX mail message from Jack 
Cole................
> >
> > FAX received: Monday, July 13, 1992, 10:11 GMT
> >                        EARLY
> >                             WARNING
> >                                    EARTHQUAKE
> >                                              FORECASTERS
> > On Monday, July 13, 1992 at 08:01 and 15:39 GMT we received a 1 second
> > pulse of substantial amplitude between 1 kHz and 10 kHz.  The signal
> >
> > ...............End of FAX mail message from Jack Cole................
> >
> Hmmmm,
>
> Looks like a typo here. "FAX received: Monday, July 13, 1992, 10:11 GMT"
> seems to indicate that the fax must have been sent out no later than at 
that t
ime.
> Yet "On Monday, July 13, 1992 at 08:01 and 15:39 GMT we received..." seems 
to
> imply that the fax is talking about a "pulse" which will not occur until 5
> hours and 28 minutes after the transmission. Did I miss something ?
>
> -Sven
>
>       Dont you see! He's forecasting a "pulse" at 15:39 GMT.
>>                                                         -Mike
 
 
Hey you guys.... its probably that the IDIOT that received the FAX
had his CLOCK set wrong on HIS FAX. It's kinda like when you go to
someone's house and their VCR clock is BLINKING because the guy
can't figure out that "totally confusing thing", but he seems to find
the "play" button OK....
 
I would like to receive messages fom ANYONE that is using RF and 
other methods to PREDICT quakes. It would be interesting to have
that DATA myself and look it over..
 
why are you people always so CLOSED minded anyway??? Is this why
the USA is so BEHIND in most things, because you all have closed minds
and think you know it all??
 
If I said I could make a CERAMIC into a CONDUCTOR 10 years ago, you
all would have LAUGHED at me.
 
Now we have CERAMIC SUPERCONDUCTORS and all the "scientists" NOW SAY
"sure you can do that". But it was like TWO years AFTER their announcement
that the "scientific community" finanally said thast they were OK.
 
I am really tired of all this, you have got to quit thinking that you
know everything and OPEN YOUR MIND TO NEW STUFF!! (talking about
"scientists" in general)..
 
I consider myself a "scientist", and I get CLOSE MINDED sometimes on
some things and it is HARDER to keep a open mind, but you can do it...
 
If Mr. Cole or anyone else would like to send me mailings on their
data, or would like a place to UPLOAD and distrubute their data, please
write.
 
I would like to see the data myself.
 
(the following is my own opinion, and my fire proof suit is now on)
 
Nate...

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