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From: randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Trip on Space Ship 3.
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:42:58 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Dec10.223147.8044@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, boesch@cs.washington.edu (Eric Boesch) writes...
>jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...) writes:
>   *Winston waste deleted*
>This is not good science.
>Eric Boesch
>PhD in Paraastronomy, 1987
>Universitat Verbelligten, Bundesrepublik Deutschland
>Hohenschreibersputnikfunksignalstrasse

Neither is this. This post only marginally resembles reality. Radio waves
are staionary in a vacuum? How do they get here, then?
-Tom R.   randolph@est.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: cooper@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (Ralph 'Hairy' Moonen)
Subject: Re: Strange Tidbits
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:56:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.130506.8199@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>, y41@aix320a.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Jeffrey Hazelwood) writes:
> 
> First of all, alien freaks don't get pissed because this is posted here!
> 
> Now, does anyone have any info on the dude in Florida that built his entire
> house out of Coral. It had huge blocks and a revolving 2 ton block door.  The
> cat claimed to have figured out the "secret" of gravity and all kinds of other
> stuff.  Anyone in the know?

I once saw a documentary on this guy, and my memory tells me it wasn't coral,
but granite. And they didn't say anything about the secret of gravity, just
about absolutely remarkable engineering. The bit about the door is very 
interesting though. Indeed a 2-ton granite slab was so mounted that you
could open it with 1 slight push and without exerting a lot of force. 
The way I remember it, I was impressed. I would like some more info though
also.

--Ralph
From: bjornts@ii.uib.no (Bjoern Tore Sund)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: 14 Dec 92 12:38:05 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Bergen

Dear John_-_Winston, there seems to be a lot of people that do not realize the
greatness of your immesureable madness. Please forgive them, for they do not
know what they are doing.

Keep posting the stories of your lives, but try to make them shorter, as I find
it difficult to concentrate on long texts of such complexity and difficult
topics. 

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From: bdsuba@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (PANDAMAN)
Subject: ***VCR ALERT***
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Turner Ranch. Blood Butte, Texas
Date: 17 Dec 1992 08:57 EST  

The Friday, December 18th episode of Sightings is scheduled to show NASA 
video of a "Star Wars" battle in space.  Apparently filmed from the shuttle



Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: A concerned subscriber 
Subject: Re: Another Goodbye
Organization: THREATS 'R' US
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:28:41 GMT

In article <9235115.4252@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> curmi@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Jamie Paul CURMI) writes:
>Hi Guys,
>
>I've had enough of the crap in this group...it appears others have too.
>There is just too much rubbish to sift through.  Sorry guys, but I've
>given up.  Articles I was going to post have been postponed until
>someone clears up the current mess...if that ever happens.
>

Sorry people are feeling the need to leave. I felt that once, and I got over it.
IF people just start to contribute instead of being comedians, or whiners, then
maybe this group can get serious.

BEFORE YOU POST TO THIS GROUP, BE VERY SURE YOU ARE REALLY CONTRIBUTING TO THE
COLLECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS OF THE GROUP. OTHERWISE, SOME OF YOU MAY START GETTING
LETTER BOMBED, OR WORSE...

THIS WILL BE YOUR ONLY WARNING. COMEDIANS AND WHINERS ****BEWARE****
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Visual perspective on U
From: Robert_Sutton@kcbbs.gen.nz (Robert Sutton)
Date: 12 Dec 92 11:02:13 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu(Charles Mcgrew) 10 Dec 92 18:46:05 GMT  types--
>Most people can visualize (in their imagination) about 6-10 objects 
>with full detail.

Most people maybe but I wouldn't take Betts (atrocious pun alert) on 
that though.Don't know if it might be connected to the digit short term 
memory thing but some would have trouble to visualize 1 thing.
On the ET front legend has it that 1 alone has visualized the entire 
Universe in full.

And the lone creature to emerge from The Cosmic Perspective Vortex sane 
(are we to believe that bit?) was the 1 with the 2 heads.

Makes me think though of that old boner about wether the aliens are 
playing us the fool with the from our own minds to us hallucnation 
induced thing.

******************************** 
ARE ETOI SPACESHIPS SHY?
OR ARE THEY JUST WAITING
TO SEAL THE ROYALTY DEAL.
********************************
From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Possible Kill File Uses
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:00:01 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0 - <ParaNet(sm) , Arvada CO


 > If there is a place where the subject at hand is discussed in a rational
 > manner, please let me know- and you won't be able to see me for the dust
 > I'll raise getting the hell out of here.

Subscribe to infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com.

We do a lot of serious discussion on this subject.

Mike

--  
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UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: About John Winston and others ...
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 08:28:48 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Serious Investigators: Someone mentioned OOBE tapes. I would be
interested in where I can send for them.
John Winston.
From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Newsgroup...
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:49:16 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	ksanthan@garnet.berkeley.edu (Kumaran Santhanam) writes:
	How does one form a new newsgroup?  I'd like to start one
	about serious UFO discussion.

   Try reading the news.groups discussion-group.  In it are
instructions for creating a "regular" (rec, sci, etc. groups) and
separately "alt" groups.  (If you can't find the message, let me know
and I'll email them to you.)  Creating "alt" groups is very easy,
"regular" groups require a vote by newsreaders before newsgroup
creation.

	Also...Is there any way that the originator of the news group
	can block articles by certain specific individuals?

... the key word is "moderated".  If a newsgroup is moderated, all
postings to the newsgroup are instead mailed to the moderator, who
then reposts 'deserving' articles to the actual newsgroup.  This
'moderated' status is defined at newsgroup creation time.  There is no
short-cut for the moderator, though (no kill-files, sorry), he/she has
to read and decide on all articles.

	If someone can provide me with this information, I want to
	start a serous ufology newsgroup.

... as you might have read, Paranet is such a group, though there is
occasionally a glut of "Hi Sam, how was your vacation" messages (Hi,
Mike! :-)   Also, there is a semi-active ufo list run by a listserv
in Brazil (ufo-l on brufpb.bitnet, send me mail if you don't know how
to add yourself to a listserv);  'semi-active' because the listserv
seems to take a long time to redistribute messages (it seems to batch
'em up and spew out a bunch at once -- with a week or more delay.)

   You have another alternative, of course, to create a mailing of
your own  (your sysadmin may be pretty reasonable about creating a 
few email aliases for you to keep ufo things separate from your
regular mail.)   This mailing list might be moderated (by you), or
a simple reflector.

Hope this helps,

Charles
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:32:06 -0500 
From: "Stephen M. Lacy" <sl31+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?

Excerpts from netnews.alt.alien.visitors: 14-Dec-92 Re: Bigfootf
spaceman? by Bjoern Tore Sund@ii.uib. 
> Keep posting the stories of your lives, but try to make them shorter,
as I find

I find it hard to translate those long stories into Solar Max, you know,
it just takes so long.  BTW, anyone try to develop the CFG (context free
grammar) for Solar Max yet?  I'm interested....

Steve

:)


"No matter what happens, never believe that you have learned something
you were not supposed to know." -Steve Lacy
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: orientation of the group and dissinformation project Winston
Date: 13 Dec 92 18:17:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

In article <1992Dec13.063146.16692@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> durocher@vangogh.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Phil) writes:
>
>There is enough people on the net that would like to see this newsgroup
>with more serious, more objective postings, with subject closely related 
>sightings, reports, experiences, facts on government continous close lips 
>efforts, or doing published article reviews.

And enough people on the net that would gibbon water loki whammo frisbee
disk hard cock hammer nail polish silver gold gun bullet fire bang 
kill file folder origami umbrella mushroom caterpillar hookah smoke
fire camp quail bush burn voice mail e frag Vietnam Saigon sally
linus lucy brown trunk tree leaf fall winter wonderland Alice
restaurant napkin wipe toilet flush red blood wound band-aid
heal kiss french chef bork bork bork.\

(Anyone who hasn't got my point about filling up groups with junk and
how enough people will do it anyway should go back and read it again.)

	Jason
	Our Reporter In The Dungeon Dimensions

PS ObAliens: If aliens are so advanced, how come they keep crashing their
ships?
Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:9225 alt.religion.kibology:5413
From: dfs30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Denise Solis)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Trip on Space Ship 3.
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:18:20 GMT
Reply-To: dfs30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Denise Solis)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Dec16.164749.10909@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>> gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (<gvb@acd4.acd.com>) signs:
>
>
>I am more and more convinced that ALL of the UFO sightings are the work of 
>demons. Demons are not stupid; they know the kind of thing that attracts
>the interest of modern Americans. They KNOW that by involving space and
>high-tech in their deceptions, they will fool people into thinking they
>are finding something natural, wonderful, and new, when what they are
>really finding is the same old wolf, this time in new sheeps clothing.
>
>Rob

Sorry Rob but I am convinced that your demons are smarter than you are.
This is why so many people are turned off to religion. It breeds stupidity
and denies the search for truth. Jesus said "Seek and ye shall find, knock
and the door will be opened to you. Not; "Hide and be paranoid or the
demons will get ya". Preach somewhere else will ya!

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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:31:58 -0500 
From: Chris_Hendy@transarc.com
Subject: Re: Strange Tidbits


Jeff Hazelwood writes:

Now, does anyone have any info on the dude in Florida that built his entire
house out of Coral. It had huge blocks and a revolving 2 ton block door.  The
cat claimed to have figured out the "secret" of gravity and all kinds of other
stuff.  Anyone in the know?


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Jeffrey T. Hazelwood                    Universitdt Heidelberg
EMAIL: y41@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de       Heidelberg, Germany
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The man's name was Edward Leedskalnin (sp?) .  The site is called Coral
Castle (located near Homestead, Florida) which, more than anything else,
resembles a child's playground contructed of huge coral blocks (the largest
tips the scales at close to 30 tons).  The most fascinating aspect of this
site is that it was constructed solely by Leedskalnin, disassembled by him
when he felt his safety was in danger, and then completely reassembled
some miles down the road - all without assistance (other than a truck to
move the blocks once Leedskalnin had loaded them on the back of the bed).

This flurry of construction took place, if memory serves, sometime during
the 20's or 30's (I'll dig out my sources if the dates are important).
Leedskalnin claimed to know how the pyramids were built - the site's
imposing nature and the manner of its' construction suggests he may indeed
have had the knowledge.  He was always very secretive about his methods
and never moved the coral blocks while witnesses were present.

Leedskalnin wrote several books outlining his theories on magnetism (available
from Coral Castle for something like $7.95).  Unfortunately, he only attained
a fourth grade education so his theories seem somewhat simplistic.
(I can rummage through my old books if you need the address)

For those of you who feel the pyramids could only be built by aliens, I
suggest you look closely at Coral Castle - and see what one small
individual (95 lbs) could do on his own over the course of a few years.

chris

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From: gej@leas.demon.co.uk (Gareth E Joyce)
Subject: Re: Alien Ships. 
Distribution: world
Organization: GJE Systems
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:59:10 +0000

In article <104104@bu.edu> olver@buphy.bu.edu writes:

>Why is it that all of the alien races you mentioned only resemble 
>caucasians?  Space doesn't seem to be a very integrated place to
>live.
>
>
 True, But isn't there a school of thought that regards the oriental/asian 
 races as possible descendants of an ancient space-faring civilisation?

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From: UNMUTH@BEATE.RZ.FH-ULM.DE ((...))
Subject: Re: Trip on Space Ship 3.
Organization: FHU
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:09:00 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

Hi folks !

This message is about Eric Boesch just to end the needless discussion
going on in this area for some days now. As I do speak german quite
well because I do live over here in Gmny I can tell you that there
is no "Universitaet Verbelligten". There is not even a city called
"Verbelligten" and the word "Verbelligten" doesn't make any sense 
at all just as the whole letter of Eric Boesch.

It sure does take a lot of fantasy to make up a street name like
"Hohenschreibersputnikfunksignalstrasse" but not even Germany does
have such weird street names.

I hope I could help all the guys wondering about the message of
Eric Boesch (especially Joe Scheisskopf (boy, am I sorry for your
family name) and Kumaran Santhanam) and I also do hope that this
senseless discussion has come to an end now.

Cheers
Heiko
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 13:30:26 EST
From: <DMS180@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject:    NOWSPEAK III

She thought she'd ask one more time, no matter how futile this pretense
seemed to be.  As the cloud closed in around her SHE FOUND IT beginning to
become very hard to breathe.  "This is it, I suppose", she thought to
herself, and as the boys attention was drawn to this spectacle, she
disappeared.        (See AAA News for more info.)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: bjornts@ii.uib.no (Bjoern Tore Sund)
Subject: Re: Heads Island
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Bergen
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 12:04:08 GMT

In article <1DEC199213435245@apsicc.aps.edu>, jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...) writes:
|> With all the talk about thee pyramids and such being bandied about by
|> some of the people on the Net I am very surprized taht nobody has pos-
|> tulated that the large and heavy stone heads on Easter Island were
|> built by aliens.
|> 						Jim

Not only has that been postulated several times, by several different people,
I've also seen postulations that the heads actually _was_ the bodies of aliens...
I do hope nobody takes this seriously though...?

-- 
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__  |__)   |    Bjoern Tore Sund (BT)   Quote: "Nothing!"
    |__)   |    bjornts@ii.uib.no              - Marvin

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: Chris_Hendy@transarc.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Strange Tidbits
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:25:24 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


I've received several requests for additional information on Coral Castle.
You can request to receive the booklets I mentioned in a previous post by
calling or writing:

Coral Castle of Florida
28655 S. Federal Hwy.
Homestead, FL  33033
(305)248-6344

The price is very reasonable and includes all the books Leedskalnin wrote
and the obligatory tourist pamphlet.

chris

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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: mckinley@fnal.gov (James T. McKinley)
Subject: Archives of UFO journals (or SIGs) available via anonymous FTP?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4  
Reply-To: mckinley@fnal.gov
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
Distribution:  world
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:45:31 GMT

Hi,
    I was wondering if anyone who reads this newsgroup knew of any UFO journal 
archives available via anonymous FTP or otherwise over the net?  Or perhaps 
archives of selected postings to this newsgroup (or others) along the lines of 
the November 1992 HUFON REPORT posted Sunday, 13 December, 19:41:42 GMT?  I 
would also be interested in learning of other newsgroups or list servers on 
this subject.  Thanks in advance for any help :-).

                                                        Jim

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From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Visual perspective on U
Date: 17 Dec 92 02:13:38 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	From: stanley@verga.enet.dec.com writes:
	Really?  How do you know that?  

... sorry, I cannot provide a reference; its one of those things
I read long ago, and just filed away in the "semi-useless stuff" part
of my brain.

	I don't think that correct for everyone.

... I think that was implicit in my saying "most people". :-) When I
said "visualization", its a very specific kind of visualization -- try
visualizing a large 6-sided die, with all the numbers on it, slowly
tumbling in space.  Now a chrome tablelamp tumbling next to it
(different rate of speed).  Now a wicker basket, now a painting of
"Blue Boy" (still tumbling, so you can only see the front from time to
time), and so on.  How many can you see -- really see?  Its not so
easy...

Charles
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (<gvb@acd4.acd.com>)
Subject: Re: Strange Tidbits
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:52:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.130506.8199@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> y41@aix320a.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Jeffrey Hazelwood) writes:
>
>First of all, alien freaks don't get pissed because this is posted here!
>
>Now, does anyone have any info on the dude in Florida that built his entire
>house out of Coral. It had huge blocks and a revolving 2 ton block door.  The
>cat claimed to have figured out the "secret" of gravity and all kinds of other
>stuff.  Anyone in the know?
>
>
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>EMAIL: y41@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de       Heidelberg, Germany 
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I have read the pamphlets about this guy. His place is kind of a turist 
attraction in FL. Rumors were that he got the antigrav technology 
extraterrestialy. Anyway, reports were that all he used to get the 
two ton blocks of corral onto his truck was a portable generator and a bunch
of copper wire. Anyone else remember this guy's place? 

 
-- 
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