From: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Subject: Re:  Rush is bad for our country
Reply-To: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:55:21 GMT


In a previous article, gonzalez@athena.mit.edu (John R Gonzalez) says:

>	Let me begin by saying that I am a registered Democrat and had supported
>Dukakis back in '88, although I wasn't old enough to vote.  It seems every month
>that goes by I become more and more conservative, and it is due to people
>like Mr. Miller.  One last qualifier, my moving in the direction of conservatism
>began before I started to listen to Rush Lambaugh.
>

I am registered independent, and consider myself a moderate.  Would it surprise
you, Mr. Gonzalez, to learn that I voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976, because
Gerald Ford demonstrated he was unable to handle the job?  Would it further
surprise you to learn that in 1980 I voted for Ronald Reagan because Jimmy
Carter demonstrated his inability, and again in 1984 because I thought he had
done a good job, and that he should be allowed to continue?  Would you be
amazed to learn that in 1988 I voted for George Bush because I somehow felt
he would carry on where Reagan left off.

And would you believe that I'm voting for Clinton because, as Ford had and as
Carter had, he has demonstrated an inability to do the job?

But this is not about Republican or Democrat, conservative or liberal.  It's
about radical left and right.


>	Mr. Miller, you claim that Rush preaches hate and intolerance.  I listen
>to his show fairly regularly, and hate and intolerance do not seem to be the
>focal point of his show.  Yes, he does attack some people and they always seem to
>be radical leftists.  These radical leftists that he ridicules and attacks
>deserve to be ridiculed and attacked.  Consequently, Rush also deserves to come
>under criticism or attack for doing so--anyone who stakes a public opinion that
>may be controversial will come under attack...it's just the way it is with
>people.  
>

Are you listening to the same "Rush Limbaugh" I am?  I agree that the radical
leftists need to be ridiculed, but for Rush Limbaugh to do so is the pot 
calling the kettle black.  Mr. Limbaugh is of the radical right, and will 
clearly state that he is so, and that anyone who disagrees with him is, by
definition, wrong.

>	The focal point of Rush's show seems, to me, to be this:  you can achieve
>whatever you want if you apply yourself.  Time and again Rush has preached that
>anyone can achieve anything in this country if they work hard at it.

That's not what he is saying at all.  Have you ever heard him lament about
"Women in men's jobs"?  Have you ever heard him say "Gay people have no rights
in America, and if they get fired, no matter how qualified they are, no matter
how hard they have worked, so what"?  Have you heard him say he is against
affirmative action, in ANY form, even though 9 out of 10 employers will choose
a white employee over an equally qualified black employee for promotion or
continued employment?  I'm sorry, but it seems to me that if anyone could 
make statements like these and say he's not pushing hatred and intolerance,
then he's either deluding himself, or outright lying.



>  What is it
>about this philosophy that has you worried Mr. Miller?  Are you afraid that
>Hispanics like myself may actually begin to think for ourselves, rather than
>accept you as our "benefactor"?  Rush claims that you radical leftists want all
>of us dependant on a government that you plan to control, I see nothing coming
>from you or any of the leftists on this Newsgroup to counter this argument.  
>

Just a moment.  Let me set you straight on one little item.

Don't you ever DARE make such a statement about me.  Yes, my name is Miller, 
good German name, right?  My Mother is FULL BLOODED ONANDIAGA INDIAN, AND I
FEEL THE OPPRESSION OF THE COUNTRY EVERY BIT AS MUCH AS YOU DO.  Don't you
EVER accuse me of having racial motivation for my ideals and opinions.

Secondly, I am not a radical leftist.  I am moderate.  I don't believe in 
welfare, I don't believe in government assistance in higher education (I paid
for my degree and a half with my own money that I earned), I don't believe in
excessive government interference in business, except where blatant racism is
demonstrated.

Yes, I am atheist, but atheism in itself is not a radical concept, although
it can be taken to radical extremes, as can any belief system, including
religion and political philosophies (liberal AND conservative).

>	I am not a dittohead, but I do think that Rush makes a good point over
>half the time.  That is being accurate, in my mind, a lot more often than
>let's say, Molly Yard or any of the other leftist Radicals that make
>controversial public statements.  All of you lefties complain that Rush's news on
>the show is either a lie or totally biased.  That may be true, but I spent a year
>reading the Boston Globe and have yet to figure out why it is a nationally renown
>paper.  It is a liberal rag that is one step above tabloid journalism.  Now I'm
>going to ask you liberals out there, how many of you get your news from a biased
>rag like the Boston Globe or a fairly biased magazine like Newsweeks (I've
>subscirbed to that for two or three years and it tends to lean to the left)?  If
>any of you do get your lopsided news from sources such as these, then you have no
>right complaining about dittoheads who get their news from Rush.  You radical
>losers are driving moderates like me into the arms of Rush and the Republican
>party.  Just you wait if Jack Kemp runs in '96...people like me will leave skid
>marks as we flee from the Democratic party...and no!  I am not going to vote for
>that lying cry baby Bill Clinton!  I don't like George Bush, but he is definitely
>the lesser of two evils!

Sorry, Mr. Gonzalez, you've completely lost me.  I don't watch CNN, I don't
read Time and Newsweek, I don't read any liberal press, I read the Cleveland 
Plain Dealer, the Youngstown Vindicator (quite conservative), and the New
York Times.

And about your last statements.  If Jack Kemp had run this year, in all
likelihood I would have supported him.  Further, if Clinton is elected, and he 
does not give the country what it needs (as Bush has already demonstrated he 
cannot) then in all likelihood I will support the Republican candidate (so
long as it's not Bush, Quayle, or Buchanan).  You see, I vote my conscious, not
a party, or the recommendation of a buffoon like Limbaugh.

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