From: carroll@bifur.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll)
Subject: Re: "HIV-infected molest suspect outrages town"
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:08:18 GMT

In article <13642@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.175201.21504@udel.edu>, carroll@gloin.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll) writes:
>> In article <13596@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>> ]In article <1992Dec9.210000.7785@udel.edu>, carroll@oin.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll) writes:
># ]] For example, in your supposed proofs, you claim that anyone who ever
># ]] has any sexual contact with a member of their own sex is homosexual.
># ]] Then, you use this assertion to create a supposed number of homosexual
># ]] child abusers. Then, you compare this number of a lower-bound estimate
># ]] of the number of fully homosexual men, and come up with a very large
># ]] percentage.
># ]] 
># ]] But there are two different definition of homosexuality in that "proof":
># ]] 
># ]]   Definition 1: A homosexual is anyone who has any sexual contact with
># ]]      with his/her own sex. (Used to generate the supposed number of
># ]]      homosexual molesters)
># ]] 
># ]]   Definition 2: A homosexual is anyone who has sexual contact 
># ]]      *exclusively* with members of his/her own sex. (Used to generate
># ]]      the supposed percentage of homosexual molesters.)
># ]
># ]No, a homosexual is anyone who has sexual contact with members of
># ]his/her own sex.  No requirement for exclusivity.
># ]
># 
># But - in your figure for the number of homosexuals in the general
># population, that's *not* the definition you use - you only use that
># definition when you're talking about which molesters are gay.  The
># 3-10% figure in all of the studies about the number of homosexuals is
># *exclusive* homosexuals. If you include anyone who has ever had
># homosexual contact as a homosexual, then the number is closer to 35%!
># 
># [ Mark Craig Carroll <MC# ] You say you know no tricks, have no talents -
>
>Nope.  As the recent surveys done in France and Britain demonstate,
>the percentage of males who have had ANY homosexual contacts during
>a lifetime is <10%.


Nope. As the recent surveys done in France and Britain demonstrate,
the percentage of males who ADMIT TO having had any homosexual
contacts during a lifetime is <10%. 

Now, if you want to use those studies to support your claim that gay
men are more likely to molest children, you have to show that the men
who molest children admit to being gay in a survey like the above. If
they don't admit it under survey conditions, then you are *not*
justified in using that number to tally the number of gay men.

As I said yesterday: your gay child molester with AIDS, whom you hold
up as an example, would *not* have admitted to being gay in that
survey. (Nor would any attempt to discriminate against gays have affected
him in the least, since he was a fine example of a married man.)

	<MC>

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