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From: rhay@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Robert Hay)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Mind Expansion
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 11:00:58 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

I was wondering if anyone could help me.  I had an experience with a 
freind of mine who is very much into the newage movement.  We both shared 
many simmilar philosophies.  However I base much of mine on the bible.  
We engagCexD
We eng9
We opened each others minds together and had some intI re1|4
intresting things happen.Does anyone know about such methods.  She told 
me we were in an energy loop of some sort.  

Robert Hay              rhay@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 
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From: corleyj@argon.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.fan.lemurs
Subject: Re: Greys, Good or Bad
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:07:54 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Nov23.190459.27082@netcom.com> anson@netcom.com (Anson Kennedy) writes:
>sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:
>
>>     The only good Grey is a DEAD Grey! They're vicious, woman-raping,
>-Bart Simpson                           \  -Margaret "Stevie" Smith (1902-1971)
And they eat lemurs for BRUNCH on every WEDNESDAY which is a SACRED
DAY for them.
	Jason
"Frank, bring me a ball-peen hammer and your skull."
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
From: mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: Big Bird
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:39:20 GMT

I'm sorry, this subject line is spellef wrong. It should be

	Subject: Big Birdf

Thanks for the pedanticism,

mdw

-- 
Matt Welsh    mdw@tc.cornell.edu        +1 607 253 2737
Systems Programmer, Cornell Theory Center
  "We're going away now. I fed the cat."
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 18:53:09 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:40:17 GMT

Grant Edwards (grante@aquarius.rosemount.com) wrote:

: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo) writes:

: : Scientific skepticism about astrology has never been based on solid 
: : scientific investigation.  It only is based on  a revulsion against the 
: : essentially non-scientific methodology of astrology and the often crude 
: : application of it in a superstitious way.
: 
: Sorry, there have been plenty of double-blind tests whose protocols were
: approved by astrologers in advance.  The results were ALL negative.

Easy to say, hard to back up.  Specifics, please?  Bibliography - names of
scientists, institutions, dates, titles of published reports, and journals
where published, please...
--
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
seeker, therefore, is concerned with one thing only: to become aware of what
he already is, of the True Self within."  -- Zen maxim
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Dolphin-Aliens?
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 06:31:45 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
 <69712@cup.portal.com> <BxxnBt.8AM@umassd.edu>

Dear Spellers: I confess. You've caught me. I spelled this like thit.
I've obviously caught Kiboitis.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Past Life regression - the proof (was GSI Day)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Distribution: world,local
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:33:30 GMT

James J. Lippard (lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu) wrote:

: Regression subjects do not *know* that their recollections are not
: produced due to vivid imagination, confabulation, or cryptomnesia.
: Further, many subjects who believe that this is the case have had their
: recollections investigated and the sources have been found to be novels,
: stories told to them as children, and so forth (e.g., Bridey Murphy).

Bridey Murphy was *not* out of a novel or a story told to them when
they were a child.  That hypothesis was pure speculation.

:    Mike Stackpole of the Phoenix Skeptics was on a radio show with a
: woman who did a hypnotic regression on the air of another woman, who
: recalled a past life in China under some specific name I forget.
: Mike pointed out that what the woman had just described was an episode
: of the TV show "Kung Fu," at which point the hypnotic subject realized
: that she had indeed seen that episode.

So?  What does that prove?  That reincarnation and past lives research
is just so much bullshit?  I think not.

:    In order for the evidence to support a past life, you must be able to
: show (a) that the recollections are independently supported by other
: evidence (e.g., records showing that the person recalled did exist and
: did do the things that were recalled) and (b) the person doing the recalling
: did not have access to that information.  It is better to check (a) before
: (b) because the latter is harder to verify and the former usually fails.

What is "usually"?  Dick Sutphen has done quite a bit of evidence-gathering
along these lines, and has verified quite a bit of what he has been told by
people he has regressed.

:    It should be further noted that (a) and (b), if both verified, do not
: necessarily mean that the person in question had a past life, because
: there are other logically possible explanations (e.g., obtaining the
: information by psychic means).  (This has recently been discussed by
: Ian Stevenson and Stephen Braude in the _Journal of Scientific Exploration_.
: It's not clear that there is any evidence which can discriminate between
: psi and survival of death.)

Mixed up in that is the postulate that there *is* no such thing as time.  If
this is true, then "past lives" communication and psi are one and the same.
--
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
seeker, therefore, is concerned with one thing only: to become aware of what
he already is, of the True Self within."  -- Zen maxim
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Astral 2
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 15:57:18 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Subject: Astral Projection. Part 2.
  It's always best to figure out where you want to go on your journey, when 
you want to come back and asked that the spiritual intelligencies that are 
assigned to watch over you (your guardian angel) to keep a watch and protect 
your physical body while your gone. You'll go where you've decided to go and 
come back when you've decided to come back. 
   When I was first learnibng how to do this I started using some telpathic 
stones, would go to a certain place and then come back.  The next day some 
of my friends would call me up  and ask me what I was doing at say 915 PM 
last night.  I would then tell them I was doing some experiments with some 
telepathic stones. They would then tell me that they had felt my 
intelligence or presence appear in the room where they were and before they 
could make contact with me, I was gone.
  On another ocassion one of my friends was standing on a street corner 
sending his wife a mental message to come pick him up in the car and 
suddenly my astral intelligence came in contact with him and just as 
suddnely I was gone.  This was also during the time I was using the stones. 
  After finally getting astral projection down pretty good I asked Merelle (my 
teacher and Guru) if he would see if it was OK if I went up to Mt. Shasta to 
visit Sister Thedra (the lady that received telepathic messages from the men 
inside Mount Shasta and sent them out to the world).  I had been studing the 
teachings and wanted to meet her personally. Merelle asked her by letter to 
see if it was OK and she said that I should study for a couple of years to 
get some background because they were very busy sending out the teachings 
and didn't have much time to teach people the fundamentals.  This reply 
didn't satisfy me so I used everything I had been taught before and used 
telepathy, ESP astral projection and everything else I knew to contact the 
people that were sending her the messages (such as Sananda, and others).  I 
made contact and within 3 or 4 days Merelle got another letter saying it 
would be OK if I come on up.  I made the trip and it was reallly great.
 From time to time I used to phone into a radio telephone talk show. In doing 
this a person listens to the station, phones into the radio station, talks 
to the announcer and the conversation is transmitted over the radio so 
everybody listening to the radio can hear it. I usually talked about UFOs or 
anything connected with ESP. 
End Part 2.
John Winston.
From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Share International magazine:  November 1992 issue
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:39:30 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <1992Nov20.201346.1566@panix.com> moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz) writes:
>>This is an abridged, electronic version of SHARE INTERNATIONAL magazine. The
>>magazine has a non-paid staff only, carries no advertisements and is
>>published by SHARE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION, a non-profit, non-governmental
>>organization in association with the United Nations.
>
>Seeing how this magazine is clearly a public relations vehicle for
>Benjamin Creme, would the person who posted this please explain how the
>United Nations is involved with its publication?
>
>-- 
>Len Moskowitz
>moskowit@panix.com

Good question.  This whole business is very much the same thing as the Star of the
East organization, part of the Theosophical Society in England, which promoted the
15 year old Krishnamurti as the Maitreya Christ, back around 1910.  Leadbeater
and Bessant were also into into many of the same kinds of "progressive" New Age
spiritual and social causes of the day, much like this movement. They were also
very international too.  Don't know whether they hooked up with the League of Nations,
but that wasn't until ten years later.

I think Alice Bailey carried on the same sort of thing, though I don't know whether
she picked out an individual.

In any case, they seem to be pretty well organized and have a lot of money behind
them.  I'd like to know more about who is behind Creme.  

Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com)
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:30:40 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Monster Watchers: The information about the flying things came 
from an old article out of some Tabloid.  The magazine name was not
with the article.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: mmeyer@m2.dseg.ti.com (Mark Meyer)
Subject: Re: Greys, Good or Bad
Organization: TI DSEG, Spring Creek, Plano, Tx.
	<stone.721943773@cwis>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:38:35 GMT

In article <stone.721943773@cwis> stone@cwis.unomaha.edu (Travis Stone) writes:
> It's high tribute to human intestinal fortitude that everyone
> in A.A.V. puts up with your apparently endless stream of tepid
> tabloid drivel, Johnny...

	Alt.alien.visitors, hell!  What about sci.skeptic?!!!

-- 
Mark Meyer                                               | mmeyer@dseg.ti.com |
Texas Instruments, Inc.                                  +--------------------+
Every day, Jerry Junkins is grateful that I don't speak for TI.
        HI!  I'm a mutating signature virus.  You can resist helping me spread!
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 06:46:03 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Pyramid Workers: It seems that my computer has the dribbles again.
Please disregard any information that comes through after my name.
John Winston.
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Big Bird
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 06:23:20 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Bird Watchers: I hope you all have a good weekend and don't 
let Big Bird get you.
John Winston
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Reply-To: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:19:48 GMT

kring@efes.physik.uni-kl.de (Thomas Kettenring) writes:
: In article <1992Nov18.175221.17658@rosevax.rosemount.com>, grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) writes:
: >Sorry, there have been plenty of double-blind tests whose protocols were
: >approved by astrologers in advance.  The results were ALL negative.
: 
: Could you please give references, if possible?  I think this belongs in the
: FAQ...
: 

I'll work on digging up some references.  If anybody out there has any
references handy, e-mail them to me, and I'll compile them.

--
Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  You can't hurt me!!  I
Rosemount Inc.                                |have an ASSUMABLE MORTGAGE!!
                                              |
grante@aquarius.rosemount.com                 |
Newsgroups: g,talk.religion.newage
From: c114252@cs.UAlberta.CA (Swain Martin Thomas)
Subject: propaganda
Organization: University of Alberta
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:46:42 GMT

Martin Swain


   MEDITATION TIPS FROM YOGI BEAR
 What is reality?
 Who knows?
 Who cares?
 Why bother?
 It's all a trick anyway. 
 To see what is real, look at the end of your nose. Concentrate
on that one spot, until all else fades to blackness. Now   
visualise a metal ring there. See it, feel it, make it real.
Now visualise a chain attached to the hoop. See it, feel it,
make it real. Now look up the chain, slowly, without breaking
your concentration, I am holding it. Yank. (no pun on you 
americans, really. Just pulling your chain)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Past Life regression - the proof (was GSI Day)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:24:57 GMT

[sarcastic skeptic post deleted to save electricity]

Have you ever done any *real* research, or are you just talking through
your hat?  Ever read J. B. Rhine's studies on the Bridey Murphy case?
Ever read Ian Stevenson's stuff?  If you haven't done any real research
into the field, I respectfully submit that your opinion is nothing more
than that - opinion, and a misinformed one, at that.
--
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
seeker, therefore, is concerned with one thing only: to become aware of what
he already is, of the True Self within."  -- Zen maxim
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,talk.religion.misc,alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Lupo the Butcher)
Subject: Re: Satan is your friend !!!!!! !!!!!! !!!!!!
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:51:12 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <sf4D6La00aw3Q6JmJV@andrew.cmu.edu> "Andrew N. Westmeyer" <aw36+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>if anyone believes this, 
>then he is a flake
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

{address & possible future profession deleted}

>Reality is objective.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Is this some sort of Zen Koan, or are you really this stupid?

-Lupo







Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: Past Life regression - the proof (was GSI Day)
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:20:41 GMT

In article <70103@cup.portal.com>, Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com writes:
|> I find it absolutely amazing how several someones can negate and deny their
|> spirituality by saying reincarnation does not exist and be proud of it!  

Better get used to it, son.

|> I
|> thought all the Nazis had reincarnated into Scientology,  but I guess it
|> does make since some would come back as alleged scientests.  

I seem to recall that it the Nazi's were awfully fond of reincarnation
theory, along with a lot of other bogus ideas.  Please discard your
own "nazi"-ism before insulting others with that label.

|> Since
|> reincarnation has been a natural law,  long,  long before science.  

I guess I must have moved out of the jurisdiction of this law!  Please
do not attempt to impose your personal religious beliefs on me in the
guise of "natural law" or anything else.  (I note that "natural law" is
another concept favored by radical rightists.  Just who was it that
was supposed to be nazi-like?)

|> It is
|> up to Science to prove it does not exist.  

Science has "proved" that.  You just don't understand the "proof".  Try
to get outside your own preconceptions.

|> I have been assisting folks to
|> remember their other lives for over twenty years.  I use biofeedback and
|> ,excuse the unscientific term, love. I used to do skeptics but no matter
|> how many past lives they would remember they always negated their own
|> experience afterwards so basically I found it a waste of time to deal with
|> them.  No one but you is going to hold you accountable for what you have
|> done in your other lives,  so do not worry they will not put you on trial.
|> Go ahead notice your other lives,  that is where your richness and depth
|> is.  To me the only purpose of science is to affirm and exploit our
|> connection to creation.

Science has many purposes, including the revelation of the beauty and
complexity of nature.  Many feel that THIS is where the richness and 
depth of life lies, rather than in embracing discredited superstitions,
no matter how attractive.

I sorry that you are upset by the fact that some people think that
reincarnation is a theory with no factual basis.  I'm sure noone
who holds this opinion bears you any personal ill will.  I wish
you would have the grace to tolerate people who do not share your
religion.

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Cayce's Pyramid
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 06:32:00 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <69900@cup.portal.com>

Dear Folks: It saturday and maybe tomorrow I pump out some new information.
John Winston.
From: kish@kish.rutgers.edu (Kish)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: minor spelling.... Re: Where is the navel chakra
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:57:21 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1e9325INN2tp@ef2007.efhd.ford.com>, smd@sl0091.srl.ford.com (Steve Dahmen) writes:
> 
> The sanskrit word for the "central channel" used in yogic practice
> is susumna or shushumna (pronounced sha-SHUM-na).  THere were mixed
> spellings throughout Bill's posting.  No big deal, but why not be accurate?
> 
> Steve
> -- 

You're right, no big deal. And yes, there is no reason to not be
accurate. My Sanskrit is still cutting teeth, so any help along the
way is appreciated.  Towards that end, I recently found a text called
"A Concise Dictionary of Indian Philosophy - Sanskrit Terms Defined in
English" by John Grimes.  Have you or anyone else seen this ? If so,
any advice on how many grains of salt to use along with it ?  So far
it has entries for most of the technical terms used in the texts I
quoted before (and a few others as well), though it lacked one for for
"susumna" :( Even if the english definitions turn out to be a little
off the mark, its a good buy for beginners since it has the Devanagari
script and a transliteration for all terms defined therein.

Now if only I could find a grammar which actually declines/conjugates
"important" technical jargon !  No doubt Monier-Williams'
Sanskrit-English lexicon will help, but its pricey.  

Obstacles ?  What obstacles ?


Yours in Dharma,
-Bill
-- 

PHONE: (908) 932-5026
UUCP : {ames,att,harvard}!uunet!rutgers!jove.rutgers.edu!kish
INTERNET: kish@jove.rutgers.edu
From: 004107w@ace.acadiau.ca (CHRISTOPHER KEITH WILDBORE)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: A Thought...
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:18:35 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

Here is an interesting thought to meditate on:
 
            "The brighter shineth the light,
                         
                             the darker and harsher the shadows."
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