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From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: GAIMAN'S/SANDMAN'S FUTURE
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na 
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:45:18 GMT

In article <93026.211410SRH123@psuvm.psu.edu> <SRH123@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I've been hearing a lot of conflicting rumors about Neil Gaiman's stay on
>Sandman.  On one hand, I hear he's writing until issue 60 before spinning off
>an Endless mini, perhaps a Lady Johanna Constantine one-shot.  On the other
>hand, I heard he's writing until issue 80.  Then again, I hear he's going to
>quit at a certain issue number, take a break, then restart the series with a
>"Volume 2, No. 1" issue.
>
>Does ANYBODY know what the scoop is???

Remember the good old days when the series wasn't going past 40?

Someone else has spelled out what we can expect. Basically, short
stories, a long arc, a novella, and a wrap-it-up-and-take-it-home story.
The last number I heard was less than 70, but this scheme nudges it a
bit unless the long arc isn't that long. Say 1.5 to 2 years. 

Is Gaiman likely to go onto volume 2? No, not at the moment. He's
said that he's unlikely to do a monthly continuing series again after 
Sandman wraps it up. The comment was something about the only thing
that keeps him going through the rough times is that one day the
series will be over.

After the series finishes there are several possible mini-series. 
Karen Berger mentions the Endless mini-series in the letter col in
Sandman #47. There is also the story that is briefly mention in #47
about what happened just before Dream was captured. So the characters
in Sandman are likely to keep on going, but not as a continuing series. 

What intrigues me, is Dream said that Hazel and Fox have many interesting
adventures ahead of them. Hey, is this a promise of a spin-off or what?

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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Glenn Carnagey)
Subject: Re: artists who draw themselves
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:44:40 GMT

In article <C16yKJ.IHI@news2.cis.umn.edu> lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:

>I'd hate to think what Peter Bagge looks like.

Incredibly normal.  I almost asked for ID :)

>Perhaps a new and more exciting thread would be what cartoon character
>each of us most resembles. No, I will not start it off.

How would we know who was lying?  >B)
I'm somewhere between B.C. and Flash Gordon, of course. >B)

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"Molly Spat"
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From: cg18ffi@icogsci1.ucsd.edu (no name)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Anybody likes Youngblood?
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:50:19 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In regards to Youngblood . . .

Although I detest Lyfield with a passion and his stories are confusing, I
thought the first issue wasn't that bad. It's not good enough to pay $9.00
for, but it's an ok book. I actually like the stand that Shaft toke in
Youngblood 3? where he flames companies than create minor variations to the
same product to encourage their buys to buy several of the same thing. (Jim
Lee, any comments?) Of course, Lamefield did something similar in Youngblood 0
& 2 so . . . I can still hate the man for being King of Fan-boys.

P.S. Liefield's early stuff wasn't that bad. Check out his What if's. The only
thing that's really screwed are his thumbs when the supe-freaks make fists.

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From: dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (RedSwordTarga)
Subject: Re: Malibu- Protectors
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:12:29 GMT
Keywords: new series from malibu

vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes:

>I bought the first four issues after a couple friends recommended them.  I
>found them extremely enjoyable.  I think it's because I didn't feel like I
>was missing out on something because the characters were new to me.
>There's a sense of history to the group without the usual continuity
>questions to interfere with it.
>Does anyone know if the Protectors have been around before in any form?  I
>can't find any info, but it almost seems like it. . . .

Well,  I have read a few issues of this one and like it a lot. I think 
someone suggested it was based on someone's Champions campaign, but I
can't confirm or deny this.

Axly
 
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From: kehandle@unix.amherst.edu (KEITH EDWARD HANDLEY)
Subject: Re: Superhero Comics (Re: costumed vigilantes)
Organization: Amherst College
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 08:00:08 GMT

Wayne A. Wong (sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov) wrote:
: mwhatt01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes...
: > ....(there are no costumed heroes in reality because they would be
: >     laughed at) ...... 
: >So I guess thats why I'm more inclined to read comics that don't have
: >all of the superhero cliches.
: 
: Why?  You seem to be saying that you don't like comics with superheroics 
: because superheroes are not realistic.  Which books do you read then?  

He writes "I'm more inclined to read comics that don't have all of the
superhero cliches."  "Cliches" is the key here, I imagine.

I've read quite a few superhero comic books, and I am familiar with
most of the cliches.  Superhero comics can rely on cliches, though,
because readers fall into two groups: 1) those who haven't experienced
those cliches much; and 2) those who enjoy those cliches.  Marvel and
DC rely on new 13-year-old boys and the fanboys who won't stop reading
the same story over and over until they are dead.

Most of the superhero comics that have been lauded as really good are
those which didn't depend upon the cliches (but I guess that could be
said of all writing).  I know that the covers of most Marvels I see look
much like those of the Marvels I used to read 10 years ago.

: [...] My point is, and I've said it before,
: a story with a superhero character is not neccessarily bad, it's the 
: treatment of the character that determines the merit of the book.  A story 
: can be good regardless of whether or not the premise is based in OUR 
: reality.

I didn't read the entire post being responded to here, but there seems
to be no disagreement with the quoted parts.

: Maybe I've read too much into what you're saying, but it's hard enough 
: trying to explain the high level of maturity in some of today's comics to
: non-comic readers without having to convince other comic readers of the 
: merits of the medium, especially when it comes to the superhero genre.

I don't know of anyone who reads anything hoping to find "maturity," but
if I wanted to convince someone that there are comics that are enter-
taining, I'd start them out on a comedy, since people are used to
reading funny comics in the paper every day.  Of course, there isn't a
whole lot of funny stuff out there, and not a whole lot of stuff that
even tries to be funny.  Only when they are comfortable with that would
I go for some of the serious stuff.  And for God's sake, don't show
them Watchmen or Dark Knight Returns (wait quite a while for Watchmen,
bag DNR altogether because it sucked).  You want them comfortable
with drama in comics before you show them superheroes.  And don't
let them go into most comic shops, where they have to compete with
12-year-olds asking the manager who's stronger, Hulk or Thor.

Keith Handley  kehandley@amherst.edu

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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Rec.arts.comics.vertigo
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:35:49 GMT

lintz@balin.cis.udel.edu (Brian Lintz):
>>In other words, [rec.arts.comics.sandman] would benefit relatively
>>few people, for a relatively short time.

>However, the suggestion a while back about creating rec.arts.comics.vertigo...

This may be a good idea.  It's certainly a better idea now that Vertigo
is a separate imprint than it was when people were trying to draw lines
between rac.mature and rac.notmature.  My own preference would be to hold
off for a while, though, to see whether Vertigo looks to have staying power.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   'T is with our judgements as our watches, none
   Go alike, yet each believes his own
		--Alexander Pope
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From: scriven@ecf.toronto.edu (SCRIVEN ADAM)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Lucien's library
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:24:38 GMT

Lucien's Library, eh?

Let's see...

All of Tolkiens Works, as He would have finished them.
Not that Chrisopher Tolkien and Guy Gavriel Kay did a bad job,
but I'd like to see how JRR would have finished them.

May the Force be With You...


Adam  (scriven@ecf.utoronto.ca)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
  The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is, as has been remarked before often
and accurately, a pretty startling kind of thing.  It is, essentially, as the
title implies, a guidebook.  The problem is, or rather one of the problems,
for there are many, a sizable number of which are continually clogging up
the civil, commercial, and criminal courts in all areas of the Galaxy, and
especially, where possible, the more corrupt ones, this.
  The previous sentence makes sense.  That is not the problem.
  This is:
  Change.
  Read it through again and you'll get it.
  
				    -So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish
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From: 5mathews_e@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Martian Manhunter
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:20:03 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <1jsbhhINNi00@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, geurink@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Josh Geurink) writes:
> I just read that new issue of JLA, and I have but one question...
> 
> Is the MM as powerful as they make him out to be?!?  I've never been
> a particular fan of his... but from what I remember (I've ignored DC
> since Crisis happened, with the Exception of Green Lantern) there's no
> way he could've trashed Sinestro so easily. 
> 
> Of course, I _could_ be wrong...
> 
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> King Rat                       | "You got the power (Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!)"
> Josh Geurink, C.V.E.           | "You got the might (No way!)"
> _C_ertified _V_ampire _E_xpert | "Get ready for battle (Give me your money!)"
> geurink@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu     | "Defeat the Black Knight!"
> `:'`:'`:'`:'`:'`:'`:'`:'`:'`:'`:'`:'`:'`:'`:'`:'`:'`:'`:'`:'`:'`:'`:'`:'`:'`:'
Yes, MM has always been as powerful as Superman, with the exception of his 
vulnerability to fire, and the fact that he cannot exist in space without a
space suit.
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From: Greg Clow <ecurrent@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: The Slightly Annotated Death #1
X-To: SAMUEL DRALLOSAURS CRIDER
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 18:20:00 GMT

DrAllosaurus@cup.portal.com (Samuel DrAllosaurs Crider) writes:

>Re: What's in Didi's box:
>
>Anybody out there watch BARTON FINK?

Euuuuwww!!  Yuck!!!


Greg



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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: MISC: Angel Statistics from the CIA Factbook (was: Sandman Thoughts!!!)
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:55:33 GMT

In <1993Jan22.202120.1@phcu.helsinki.fi> jurasanen@phcu.helsinki.fi writes:
>Wherever did you get the idea that Angels are infinite in number? There have
>been various methods to calculate the number of Angels

Yes, but doesn't it usually involve "the head of a pin"?

>ALSO, according to
>to Milton, there was no neutral third group of angels, so you might as well
>as well believe the version that says that one-tenth of the Angelic Host fell 
>and say that this means that 80% of angels remained neutral.

I think you have to look at the exit polls after the rebellion, and add +/-
5% to the results.  (Though there was some question of "slanted questions"
at the time.)

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From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: MISC: Missed Deadlines
Date: 26 Jan 93 09:49:51 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) writes:

>Recently, people have been bitching about how late some titles are;
>the Image books, Miracleman, On a Pale Horse...  

On the `Latest Releases' board in my local store it had under
Spawn #7. `The Toddmeister might be a ff (i think it meant
fuckface) and a sh (shithead) but at least he gets his titles
out on time.

>So, in your opinion, which title has the worst record, and why?

>My own nomination goes to Colleen Doran's _A_Distant_Soil_ by Aria Press.
>The first issue came out last October, the second in May, the third...
>well, I'm still waiti.
>Now, I know that Colleen is doing this all on her own, that she's been
>sick, and that she has been doing other work during this time period,
>but still!  The main story is just the cleaned up artwork from the
>graphic novels.  This shouldn't take so long.

I'm lucky I only picked it up recently so I got to read the whole
thing quickly and have not been waiting long for #3. Maybe after
a few months my opinion will change.

>However, no matter how late the book is, I'm still going to read it.  

I was impressed with the first issue but I really didn't like the
second issue. I am also getting very irritated with the art in it.
It is so goody goody and clean. All the characters look like they
stepped out of shampoo commericals.

Jed
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From: rsholmes@rodan.syr.EDU (Rich Holmes)
Subject: Re: The Slightly Annotated Death #1
In-reply-to: marks@castle.ed.ac.uk's message of 21 Jan 93 11:25:09 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University
	<30573@castle.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 23:25:11 EST

In article <30573@castle.ed.ac.uk> marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn) writes:

>Hang on, didn't Death (Didi) become mortal in New York?
>Which beggars the question how did Mad Hattie get to NY?

Well, she did her divination in London in June, and Death didn't turn
up until July, so she had plenty of time to make the trip.

Those of you who've been up on top of St. Paul's in London can skip
the following irrelevancy:

The second panel of p. 6 brought back memories of visiting St. Paul's
in 1989. I climbed the steps to the top of the dome, coming out on the
narrow ledge with the waist-high fence where Hettie's standing, and
discovered two things:

1) The stairs you're supposed to use for going down can be reached
only by going halfway around the top of the dome on that exposed
ledge. (The alternative is to try to get away with going down the very
narrow stairs that are supposed to be used only for going up.)

2) While I'd been down in the basement communing with the remains of
Christopher Wren et al., it had started raining and blowing pretty
hard outside.

I briefly considered putting up an umbrella, decided I didn't really
want to do my Mary Poppins imitation at the time, and kind of inched
my way around to the down staircase with my back to the wall.

Nice view, if you don't mind a little sheer terror...

--
- Rich "mcmxciibo" Holmes
"Grown men, he told himself, in flat contradiction of centuries of
accumulated evidence about the way grown men behave, do not behave
like this." -- Douglas Adams
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From: silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage)
Subject: Re: Hellblazer's Still Not That Great
Organization: New York University
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 07:17:53 GMT

lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:

>In article <93023.152004DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>   Anybody think Constantine partied a
>>  little TOO hearty in #63?  I mean, all
>>  of a sudden everybody's toking.  What an
>>  influence this could have on impressionable
>>  young minds.

>Darn right! Let's get back to the summoning of demons and other wholesome
>activitities! B{)

>ObDigression: Is a date given for Constantine's birthday? Or do we go with
>the release date of the latest issue? A funny thing happens if he turns out
>to be an aquarius. For reasons I can't understand, angels were assigned to
>different signs of the zodiac. Guess which angel gets to look after people
>born under aquarius?

Uhh.....  Could it be The Snob?  Heh.  No wonder Gabe hates him so much!

			-Darkmage

>(part 30)------------------ 
> Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith | "Only as the screams and scratching slowly faded
>   (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  did we realize the horrible truth. The peanut had 
>   If looks could kill    |  not been dead! We had accidentally vacuum-packed
>   they probably will     |  him alive!"   _The Fall of the House of Planter_
--
"And whut-- ah say...  Whut are _YOU_ALL_ goin' t' be doin'?"

"I...?  I shall stand around looking... moody.  And feeling...
 sorry for myself."
From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Hellblazer #63
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:23:14 GMT
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.

In article <C1BoDB.D1I@athena.cs.uga.edu> jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu (Chuckingham Palace) writes:
>
>Well, I haven't read the issue in question, yet.  But, seeing how
>Ennis is an Irish writer (who has written at least one graphic novel
>that I know of about the conflict in Northern Ireland; I believe it's
>called "Troubled Souls" and I would very much like to read it) I think

Do read it if you can find it. There's a TPB, and it was originally printed
in Fleetway's now-defunct Crisis, in the late teens and twenties of the 
comic if I remember right. It manages to treat the subject of 'the Northern
Ireland situation' seriously and with sensitivity without being too preachy
or coming down too firmly on one side or the other. It also has a fair bit
of humour, too, something which I see a lot of in Hellblazer, especially in
stories like Royal Blood, which I personally enjoyed.


>his opinions on the royal family and Margaret Thatcher might be a bit
>more "unfriendly" than a British writer like Delano's.  Of course,
>neither one of them spoke very highly of them, ever.  (Nor do I, but 
>that's just me, and I don't write for a comic book.)
>
Most 'quality' British comic writers seem to have an anti-Tory, anti-right-wing,
vaguely liberal political outlook. I can think of times when Gaiman, Moore,
Delano, Ennis and Morrison have all made pretty strong statements within
their comics to that effect, as well as slightly lesser known writers such
as Pat Mills (see his 'Third World War' in Crisis). A good example is 
AARGH (Artists Against Rampant Government Homophobia), a benefit anthology
book which raised funds to fight the governments anti-homosexual legislation
a few years ago (that's the British government, btw). Any attempts by me to
explain this would probably be politically biased by me, and I'd rather not
get into *that* sort of discussion here...

Mike
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From: carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: Grimjack
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:20:26 GMT

  The last rumor I heard (about two years ago) was that Ostrander 
wanted to buy Cynosure from First, not just Grimjack.
-- 
Carl Fink          carlf@panix.com, C.FINK4(GEnie), or CF427620I@LIUVAX.BITNET
  "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our
  inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter
  the state of facts and evidence"     --      John Adams
From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: LNH:  Roster Update
Date: 28 Jan 93 08:08:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I will have it up Thursday night.
If not, I'll have to nuke wReam's characters.
;)

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:43:13 EST
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: TALES OF THE JEDI / STAR WARS

   O.K. , I know "Tales of the Jedi" is supposed to start
 with Dark Horse Comics #7.  However, sometime in December
 I was reading Previews or some similar publication and
 was trying to keep track of other Star Wars stuff that
 was supposedly going to start coming out.  For example,
 I thought a Star Wars / Tales of the Jedi serial was
 going to start in the January Insider, but apparently
 I was wrong.  Is this coming out, and if so, when? And
 is there any other Star Wars material ( besides Classic
 Star Wars ) coming out from Dark Horse ?


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From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (MikE '93)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: test
Date: 23 Jan 1993 00:06:33 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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Did I pass?
--MikE....It would be my first test of the semester (which is only 3 days old,
but still....).

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