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From: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Flight Commander elaboration request
Date: 17 Nov 1992 02:26:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
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In a previous article, v120p993@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Kevin F Hulme) says:

>Hi. I hate to ask a macabre question, but with all this death talk at KI, I
>was just wondering what DID happen, as specifically as possible, on the F.
>Commander in 1991. I am interested now. Who died? How? Was it a bad scene?
>
>
>Does anyone besides me ever wonder what the hell actually happens after a
>ride death? Obviously the ride is closed and inspected, but:
>
> 1. Would they actualy reopen the ride the day of the occurance? Wouldn't
>that be wierd; almost disrespectful?

I don't think so.  When SFGAd had an accident on Lightnin' Loops
a few years back, the ride was closed for the rest of the season.

> 2. Aren't people weary to ride a ride which someone expired on?

Those that KNOW of the accident are, they make sure to double check
all of the harnessing to make sure they won't fall out.  I do this
on every ride I ride anyway.  I mean, If I have to wear a harness,
then I sure don't want it coming off in the middle of the ride.
 
>
>
>                    Thanks,
>
>                       Kevin
>
No prob.

Mike Cornell
mac18@po.cwru.edu
From: cumminje@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.edu(James Cummings)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Bat "deaths" (was Re: Top Gun at King's Island)
Date: 17 Nov 1992 05:20:13 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: cumminje@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.edu(James Cummings)
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In article <1e96kpINN76j@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aq009@cleveland.Freenet.Edu  
(David A. Johnson) writes:

Lots of stuff deleted

> Actually, the other death occurred the same day in the giant fountain at
> the base of the Eiffel Tower.  Somebody tried to rescue another person  
who
> had fallen in, and was somehow electrocuted.  (I suppose there wasn't
> sufficient insulation on the wiring for the pump or the lights in the
> fountain).  KI was cited by OSHA for violating some workplace  
regulations
> in connection with the fountain incident.

There were two people killed in this accident. Also it was not the  
fountain but the lake.

James
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: rec.roller-coaster Annual Survey...?
From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:33:35 GMT
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

David "Bud-dy, Ahh-ooooooooooooh" Johnson writes:

>Well, school is in session pretty much everywhere, and we're 
>fast running out of time to have this year's "annual" 
>rec.roller-coaster survey.  
>
>I'm wondering what its status is.  Buck, are you indeed going 
>to be leaving the net soon?  If so, we'll have to find someone 
>else to handle it.  (I might be willing to do it.)  
>
>I enjoyed reading the results of last year's survey and look 
>forward to seeing a set of results for 1992.  So then, how will it 
>be handled and when will it be held?  

Well, it is true, I have a new job within Digital now, and
as of this writing, and not 100% sure just exactly WHAT my
next access will be in the very near future?!

Regardless, I will at least still have an account with EMAIL access.  
I have some good ideas for this years survey, and was going to start brainstorming them with some of you net guru's (people like Geoff-a-Whirl).  
I think this years format should be somewhat autoamted to make the 
voting and results tallying easier.  Anyone interested can mail me 
off-line at the following net address ("buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com") 
until November 27th, 1992.


Lets get it together...
Buck ("buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com")
From: Tom_-_Obszanski@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Anaconda like Nessie? (was Re: Wooden Rollercoasters)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 18:12:32 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Nov18.024135.9538@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
  <1e8e2kINNj2k@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <1eclmjINNfe@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
  <1ehr5sINN7pb@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>

>Anyway, we weren't too impressed by the Anaconda.  It was fun, but it
>plodded through all those turns over the lake.  Some cool things about it
>were the proximity of some of the poles, and I also sorta liked the slow
>corkscrew.  It's cool feeling weightless while upside down, as you sort of
>"fall" with the train.  (This sensation also available in the back seats of
>Busch Gardens Williamsburg's Drachen Fire, BTW.)
>
>But, overall, I thought the Anaconda wasn't worth the wait (although part
>of the wait was due to their putting a second train on the tracks).
>Speaking of extra trains, why does the Anaconda have only two trains?  It
>appears to have space to store three, and in my brief look-over of the ride,
>it didn't appear that there would be any blocking problems.

Anaconda originally did have three, six-coach, trains, and they attempted
three-train operation.  Unfortunately, the ride isn't that long, and there
were constant backups of trains waiting to be unloaded.  It also placed alot
of stress on operators, trying to get people into and out of the trains
quickly enough to avoid the ride shutting itself down.  KD added a coach to
each train, making two, seven-coach, trains, with four cars in storage
somewhere.  I'd love to see that four-car train run:-)  I rather suspect
they're used as spares when needed.

The one nice thing about the seven-car trains is that now they have the
mid-course trim brake set even lighter than it was when the coaster opened.
This makes the butterfly faster then they were (ever so slightly), and the
corkscrew remains the slowest around.

Tom "Make mine a Schwarzkopf" Obszanski
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Paramount tames THE BEAST
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:36:20 GMT

In one of their first moves exhibiting MAJOR
TPM -- Paramount has sent the trains on THE
BEAST back to PTC to have them all retrofitted
with those awful, painful, hateful, disgusting
individual racheting lap bars!!!

8^(

God, I hate to be the bearer of bad news today folks!


See you all in line with a frown on my face... 
Bungee Buck
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: IAAPA Show Starts Today!
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:20:23 GMT

Chris Toomer writes:

>  Today is the first day of the International Assoc. of Amusement Parks
>  and Attractions(IAAPA) annual show.  It is being held in Dallas, Texas.
>  For those of you who aren't familiar with it, it is one of the biggest
>  trade shows(so I'm told) in the United States.  I was fortunate to be
>  able to attend last year in Orlando, Florida.  

Thanks for the reminder, Chris.  Yes everyone, this is a GREAT
trade show that anyone interested in the Amusement Industry should
try and attend at least once in their life!!

I had originally planned to be there for the convention, and then
the ACE TG III event, but weirdness at work cancelled all that!
8^(

I would love to see what Bollinger and Mabillard have to offer,
as well as RCCA/TOGO, Chance Rides Inc., Huss, and Wieland
Schwarzkopf GmbH.  Wieland, fwiw, is no longer being represented
by BHS.  BHS has dropped all fabrication of steel amusement
rides.  Schwarzkopf is now secure under a new distributor --
I forget their name off the top of my head, but it's the same
German-based comapny which Wieland's father, Anton, subcontracted
all his fabrication work for his world-famous steel monstrosities.


Have fun skiing, Chris.  What out for those negative g producing
moguls ... remember, anything over -.5 g's is unacceptable!  8^)


Buck-a-roo
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Anaconda like Nessie? (was Re: Wooden Rollercoasters)
Date: 18 Nov 1992 05:52:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
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In a previous article, rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) says:

>
>
>
>The King Cobra was removed in order to make room for the Anacondia.
>The Anacondia is a HUGE improvement over the KG.  It's a lot like the
>immortal Loch Ness Monster at Busch Gardens, but in my opinion is no
>nearly as fun as the Grizzley.
>
I don't see how you can compare the Anaconda with the Loch Ness Monster.
IMHO, The Loch Ness Monster is CLEARLY better than the Anaconda.  I mean,
the Anaconda looks like it was just plopped into the middle of a lake.
At least on Nessie, you get the illusion that it's been there forever.
The walkway by the loops, the drop over a river, it just seems more
REAL to me.  As far as I am concerned the Anaconda is NOTHING like
the Loch Ness Monster.  Riding Nessie in the back car.....nothing like
it. =)


Mike
  


Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: "Christopher E. Hagen" <cehagen@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Addition to the BAT post I just put up...
Summary: the two maintenance workers deaths
Keywords: BAT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:54:27 -0500

   I'm not even sure if those two maintenance workers died... I'm pretty sure
one of the did, but when the report was on the local news it said that
both were in the hospital in critical condition....

-chris
-- 
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From: Tom_-_Obszanski@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Seaside Jet Star was (Re: Knoebels trades in JET STAR!  8^(
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 18:13:17 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Nov17.183150.28661@engage.pko.dec.com>
  <1em18eINNbnf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>

>
>In a previous article, Tom_-_Obszanski@cup.portal.com () says:
>
>>I'll join you in retching!  The Jet Star was a great little coaster,
>>bested only by the Jet Star at Casino Pier, Seaside Heights, NJ!  I was
>>really hoping that Dick would see the light and consider another small
>>Schwarzkopf coaster to replace the Jet Star.
>>
>>BTW, I'll be heading out to Knoebels the weekend after Thanksgiving to
>>do a bit of shopping there, since several of the shops will be open for
>>the Christmas buying season.  I'll shed a tear...
>>
>>Tom
>>
>Man, I just realized I haven't rode the Jet Star at Seaside.  Funny since
>I always go to Seaside Park for the summer.  I guess I just never wanted
>to make the 3 mile walk to get to it.  That and my parents weren't so
>sure about its saftey.  But, since I have my own wheels now, I may have
>to make a trip down to ride it.  What's the best way to ride it?
>
>Seaside Park has a coaster now.  It's a portable single loop coaster.
>have no clue as to who made it.  Never rode it, looked really weak for
>$2.50 a ride.  I'd rather spend my money on that GREAT Log Flume. It
>was like $2.50 for two rides.  The best park is, you are allowed to
>turn around and sit backwards and ride it.  They don't let you
>do this in the Amusement parks i've been to.  Makes a Log Flume a
>lot more fun. =)
>
>Mike


Mike, ride that JetStar!  It's the best one I've ever ridden; it's location
at the corner of the pier, overlooking the Atlantic Ocean, is incredible.
Maybe we can set up a "Jersey weekend" next summer and get a whole bunch of
people together to enjoy some of Jersey's real coasters (and maybe even a
taste of Batman at Great Adventure.)

Tom
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Knoebels trades in JET STAR!  8^(
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:31:50 GMT

It's just been announced that the Schwarzkopf JET STAR
steel coaster is currently being dismantled from
Knoebels Amusement Resort!!  Appartenly, Dick Knoebel
has used the ride as a "Trade in" with Vekoma.  

Knoebels will debut the Vekoma WHIRLWIND (std corkscrew
model steel coaster) in place of the JET STAR in 1993!
The WHIRLWIND was sold back to Vekoma from Rye Playland
to make room for a new attraction at that park.

Funny, Dick Knoebel mentioned being  interested in that
stupid Vekoma corkscrew over a year ago, and many 
coaster enthusiasts told him it would be a bad investment,
since the ride is SUCH a dog!!  For $2 million, an SDC
WINDSTORM coaster was suggested as an alternative.  I guess
the price tag is what sold Dick on the WHIRLWIND.


8^(

Excuse me while I retch...


B.
From: aq009@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David A. Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Paramount tames THE BEAST
Date: 18 Nov 1992 19:43:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aq009@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David A. Johnson)
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In a previous article, buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com () says:

>In one of their first moves exhibiting MAJOR
>TPM -- Paramount has sent the trains on THE
>BEAST back to PTC to have them all retrofitted
>with those awful, painful, hateful, disgusting
>individual racheting lap bars!!!

Noooooooo!!!

Where did you hear this, Buck?  I'd hate to see this happen.

And _why_ does The Beast need them anyway?  It's not like it's a major
airtime coaster or anything.  (My thought is that many theme parks probably
would want to install these on high-airtime coasters, in order to more
firmly cram people into their seats.)  The ride's got only one instance of
relatively mild airtime in the second drop.

They didn't need to do this.  They needed to take off the brake before the
second drop so we could really fly out of our seats!  (It was great in the
rain, though....  Ahh, memories...)

Well, it was great while it lasted.  Hopefully, KI will maintain their
general policy of not pushing ratcheting lap bars into your lap, though. 
That's like adding insult to injury.  (Great America loves to make it
difficult for you to breathe on the American Eagle....  I don't want that
on The Beast.)  And hopefully the lapbars will have super-strong springs to
keep them up in your chosen position (as Thunder Run does).

Maybe my KI season pass wasn't such a good investment.  We'll have to see,
I guess....  :-(

(A thought just occurred to me...  What if they're going to do the same
thing to the Grizzly at KD?  That would be ultra-tragic!  ACE should form
an investment group to buy Kings Island or Kings Dominion and run the
coasters like they should be run.  Wouldn't that be great?)  
-- 
_________________         David "Buddy" Johnson         _________________
      "I'm       \     aq009@cleveland.freenet.edu     /   ...no one
   looking for    \       "The Beast is always        /  seems to have." 
    something...   \       lurking in ambush."       /     -Mudhoney
From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Louisiana (Re: IAAPA Show Starts Today!
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:37:38 GMT
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Rendell (that sinking feeling) Bird writes:

>p.s. ....to tie this back to the newsgroup...maybe JazzLand will be
>closer to a reality in two years. Right now, no one seems to know
>another about it's status -- although many people have heard of the
>plan to build a "jazz version of Opryland" in New Orleans.
>It is a shame that the proposed site is the swampiest swamp in all
>of Louisiana 

Rendell, you of all people should know that a swamp, even
the swampiest of swamps, is only that way depending on the
amount of water available.  Nuke the water supply to the area
and no more swamp!  Look at Boston's Back Bay for a success
story...
From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Seaside Jet Star was (Re: Knoebels trades in JET STAR!  8^(
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:29:26 GMT
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Tom "Make mine a Schwarzkopf" Obszanski writes:

>Mike, ride that JetStar!  It's the best one I've ever ridden; it's location
>at the corner of the pier, overlooking the Atlantic Ocean, is incredible.
>Maybe we can set up a "Jersey weekend" next summer and get a whole bunch of
>people together to enjoy some of Jersey's real coasters (and maybe even a
>taste of Batman at Great Adventure.)

Hey, I'd be into that.   I have yet to wax off all those odd-little
steelies on the NJ shoreline (like that looping Gaxali!), and would
love to take part in a Jersey Shorline onslaught in 1993!


Buck, gotta ride every coaster in America
From: cf170@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin R. Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Bat "deaths" (was Re: Top Gun at King's Island)
Date: 17 Nov 1992 15:32:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cf170@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin R. Russell)
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In a previous article, rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke) says:

>In article <1e4stkINN4jo@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aq009@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David A. Johnson) writes:
>>
>At least two people died on the Bat, I remember that vivdly.  One of the cars
>fell off and the people in the front were killed, the ohers were 
>hospitalized.  About three years ago, two people died on the King Cobra when
>3d
>hospitalized.  About three years ago, a man was killed on the King Cobra
>when his seat fell off  of the main chassis.  I remember this one also
>because I was there the day after it happpened.  I was dissappointed that
>it was not running and was told by my father that he saw the story on the
The Bat had a lot of problems, but there were no deaths on it.  I have heard
"The Saga of the Bat" from the guy that was the head of maintence at Kings
Island from the time the park opened until about 1984.  The problems were 
purely mechanical, and as I stated in an earlier post, mostly due to flat
track. (no banking).  I don't know if any cars fell off the track, but I will
check with him the next time I get a chance.  
-- 
Kevin				
"Friends don't let friends ride E.T."
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: sysop@elan.glassboro.edu (Ken Denton (Supervisor))
Subject: Re: New to this group
Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:35:21 GMT

In article <wperz.92.0@srg1.psych.pitt.edu> wperz@srg1.psych.pitt.edu (Walter Perz) writes:
>From: wperz@srg1.psych.pitt.edu (Walter Perz)
>Subject: New to this group
>Date: 18 Nov 92 23:13:37 GMT
>Hi everyone!
>
>I am new to this group and have enjoyed reading the interesting posts that I'
>ve seen.
>
>I live in the Pittsburgh area and am interested in planning an amusement 
>park vacation with my honey late this spring or early summer.  Now, both of 
>us are Roller Coaster enthusiasts, and would prefer to hit as many of the 
>major kick-butt roller coasters that we could.
>
>We don't mind driving, or would consider flying to a central location and 
>renting a car.
>
>Now, my question to everyone is what would be your suggestions for one or 
>both of these options:
>	Long weekend:  Fri-Sun  3 full days in parks
>	Week vacation:	Sat-Sun 8 full days in parks
>
>We had the following trip in the back of our minds:
>	Leave Thursday after work, travel to CP, ride till we drop and close 
>the park on Friday!  Saturday ride anything we wanted to a 2nd time and 
>travel to KI.
>	Spend Saturday evening at KI and Sunday, come back to Pittsburgh.
>
>It has been ~10 years since I've been to KI and ~7 years since I've been to 
>CP.  My honey has never been to either place.
>
>Would we be doing ourselves justice by allowing this little time, or are 
>these parks "do-able" in the time period I stated?
>
>Let me know what you think.
>

	What about Kennywood (lots of coasters), or Geauga Lake, or Conneaut 
Lake?  These are all relatively close to Pittsburgh, and I hear they are 
very nice parks (planning a trip to CP, GL, CL, Kennywood and Lakemont this 
spring myself).  Keep in mind that Cedar Point, outside of the two Disney 
parks, is THE most visited park in the country - lines are going to be 
long.
From: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Seaside Jet Star was (Re: Knoebels trades in JET STAR!  8^(
Date: 23 Nov 1992 21:01:43 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, Tom_-_Obszanski@cup.portal.com () says:

>Mike, ride that JetStar!  It's the best one I've ever ridden; it's location
>at the corner of the pier, overlooking the Atlantic Ocean, is incredible.
>Maybe we can set up a "Jersey weekend" next summer and get a whole bunch of
>people together to enjoy some of Jersey's real coasters (and maybe even a
>taste of Batman at Great Adventure.)
>
>Tom
>
Well, I guess I'll have to go ride it.  Jersey Weekend sounds great! 
Someone who really knows the coast will have to figure out where we have to
start.  I'll find a way to go, I only live 45 mins from SFGAd so the shore
isn't that much further.  And a lil' trip to SFGAd wouldn't be bad,
we'll just have to make sure we get our $30. worth or whatever ungodly
prices they're charging these days.

Mike
  
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: Hirsch#m#_Ed@msgate.corp.apple.com (Ed Hirsch)
Subject: Re: Paramount's Great America Press Day Announcements
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:11:31 GMT
Organization: Delta Sigma Phi, HN Chapter
Followup-To: rec.roller-coaster

In article <49619@shamash.cdc.com>, scott@svl.cdc.com (Scott Gerken) wrote:
> 
> I cann't wait for TOP-GUN to open.
> 
> At lunch I walked over to Great America, I work about a block
> from it, to look.  From the levy on the east border of the park
> you can get a good view of it.  It appears if they build the
> station right it should appear that you are on an aircraft carrier
> that is in water.  The far side of the station should be over looking
> the parks holding lake. 
> 

Where are they putting TOP-GUN.  Are they doing it in the space still left
over from the Wizzer (Which was a great coaster before they put in seat
belts).  That's the only "space" I can think of for a coaster to be
installed at GM.  Also, are they going to do a new movie next year.  I saw
the Last Buffalo at least 8 times last season.  We need something
different!

Ed Hirsch
Delta Sigma Phi, HN Chapter
               
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