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From: schraudo@cs.ucsd.edu (Nici Schraudolph)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: for sale: Denver -> San Diego, Dec. 6 - 14
Date: 27 Aug 92 02:03:50 GMT
Distribution: na

I've got the return portion of a San Diego - Denver round trip ticket left
over, economy, valid for travel on Dec. 6 through 14.  Rapid repliers may
be able to pick the return date and time, otherwise I'll book some random
flight which can be changed for a $25 charge.  Asking $90 o.b.o.

-- 
  Nicol N. Schraudolph, CSE Dept.  |
  Univ. of California, San Diego   |                                         o
  La Jolla, CA 92093-0114, U.S.A.  |                                        (\
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From: juyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (  )
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: (none)
Date: 30 Aug 92 04:27:59 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University



American Airline One-way ticket from Newark to Phoenix for sale:

						LV	ARR
	Sep 8   Newark - Dallas/Ft.Worth 	18:14   21:04
		DFW - Phoenix			21:57	22:14

Can be changed for $25.

Asking for $50 o.b.o.

The ticket can be sold separately.  Please reply by e-mail.
Xref: sparky rec.travel.air:4374 rec.travel:12704
From: Chijioke.Anyanwu@brunel.ac.uk (Chijioke D Anyanwu)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,rec.travel
Subject: Balkan
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:58:51 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel.air
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK

In the past, I haven't heard of any good experiences with Balkan but I
see they are now operating new planes and from what I've heard from a
source, it seems they aren't performing too badly these days. I'd like
to get a more general opinion so I'm interested in hearing from people
who have recently travelled on the airline or have some knowledge about
its recent performance (punctuality, reliability, service etc.).

Chijioke.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: bresler@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Leo Bresler)
Subject: Re: British Airways Theme
Followup-To: rec.travel.air
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:18:05 GMT

I also would be very much interested in getting BA commercial tune.

				Thanks in advance.  Leo.
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Leo Bresler (bresler@nwu.edu) , Dept. of Chem. Eng., Northwestern University
2145 N. Sheridan Road, Evanston, IL  60208, USA.     Phone (708) 467-1754
From: trevor@media.mit.edu (Trevor Darrell)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: British Airways Theme
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:51:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

In article <1992Sep1.151805.17076@news.acns.nwu.edu> bresler@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Leo Bresler) writes:
>I also would be very much interested in getting BA commercial tune.
>

I recall that it used to be (maybe still is) played on hold on their
1-800 reservation number (when on hold); the recording also informs
that the score was specifically comissioned for them, and also tells 
what orchestra performed it.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: kay@zen.uta.edu
Subject: airport questions
Organization: Univ. Texas at Arlington, Arlington, Texas
Distribution: rec
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 06:15:29 GMT

Hello all,

I am currently working on a research project about
factors that affect the growth of international airports
in the U.S.

I would appreciate it if anybody could answer the
following questions:

1. List of airports that were developed rapidly because
of nearby good tourist attractions such as golf resorts,
amusement parks, auto racing etc....  One of them that I
know is Orlando Airport with the Disney World.

2. (Related to the above question) Required time from the
airport to the attraction sites and the type of
transportation.

3. An auto racing circuit was built near Phoenix
International Airport. I heard that this was because
the noise level generated by the race track did not
constitute an environmental problem since there
already was the noise from the airport. Is this true ?

Thank you.

Kay Sekio

kay@zen.uta.edu
University of Texas at Arlington
From: douglis@MITL.COM (Fred Douglis)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: CFD: rec.travel.air.forsale
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:01:48 GMT
Organization: Matsushita Information Technology Laboratory

jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes) writes:

>Isn't everyone else *sick* of these for-sale posts?  They take up darn
>near 75% of the traffic.  Ugh!

YES, YES, YES!!!

If everyone conformed to a single standard, however, it would be easy
to kill the postings automatically.  It would be so much nicer to
see 

	FORSALE: LAX-JFK, ...
	WANTED: ....

As opposed to 

	LAX-JFK, ...
	need to go from ...

or whatever.

What we need is a monthly etiquette posting, if there isn't already
such a thing.  (And no, I'm afraid I can't volunteer to write it.)
-- 
Fred Douglis
Matsushita Information Technology Laboratory  | Email: douglis@mitl.com
182 Nassau Street			      | Phone: +1 609 497-4600
Princeton, NJ 08542 USA 		      | Fax:   +1 609 497-4013
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: bechtler@asdg.enet.dec.com (Laurie Bechtler)
Subject: travel agency commission or not?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:45:38 GMT



Re:  the person who made a reservation over the phone direct to 
an airline then called a travel agent to do the ticketing --

Does the travel agency get the commission for this transaction?
I had thought that they do not, and therefore might not be
interested in performing the service.  Not that there's any
excuse for telling the customer that they would do it and then
NOT doing it, but I had always thought it rude to get your
tickets this way.  After all, the airline will mail you your
tickets directly, or alternately you can call the travel agent
first and they will probably be much more likely to print out
your tickets.  

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Re: Using AAdvantage Miles to (Stansted or Gatwick)
Keywords: london traveler
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:14:13 GMT

>>(CB wrote):
>>>It's true that I'm using an award rather than mileage, so that may make
>>>the difference between airports.

>In article <1992Aug26.154849.7825@stsci.edu> wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:
>>The awards *are* the miles.  One must get the award from American
>>AAdvantage (by redeeming miles) before one can get the ticket.
>>(Miles --> Award ---> Free Ticket).  One can get the ticket directly
>>in the mail, but normally one gets the award certificate first.

In article <1992Aug26.174956.13800@ads.com> charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna) writes:
>Yes, surely, that's how it works if you're redeeming miles.  But
>not all awards result from miles.  There are specials.

>I received an award, valid for a free main cabin seat on an American
>international flight, simply because I took a transatlantic flight
>during a specified period earlier this year.
>Mileage had nothing to do with that award.

True enough.  I *did* forget that you had posted something about that
some time ago.

>(Actually, it's kind of mind-boggling, since I get the mileage for
>that flight, too...surprising what you can parlay one trip into.)

Geez, I wish *I* had gone to Germany during that period.  That's a
good deal.

>>I suggest Mr.
>>Hank call AAdvantage again and try to see if he can get what he
>>wants.

>Good advice.  It's a free phone call.  800-882-8880 in the U.S.
>and Canada.

I've found that if one doesn't get satisfaction on the first phone
call, then the second or third can sometimes do the trick (of course,
the first telephone agent *may* be telling the truth :-).
-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
From: hrvoje@castle.ed.ac.uk (H Hecimovic)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Balkan
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:18:05 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

Chijioke.Anyanwu@brunel.ac.uk (Chijioke D Anyanwu) writes:

>In the past, I haven't heard of any good experiences with Balkan but I
>see they are now operating new planes and from what I've heard from a
>source, it seems they aren't performing too badly these days. I'd like
>to get a more general opinion so I'm interested in hearing from people
>who have recently travelled on the airline or have some knowledge about
>its recent performance (punctuality, reliability, service etc.).

>Chijioke.

Before the war in Yugoslavia, JAT (Yugoslav Airlines) was the main
carrier, plus Adria Airways, a smaller company, but also it operated
domestic and international flights.
You are right, some things are different now. JAT was mainly Serbian
company and I think that at the moment all its planes are on the ground.
But, Croatia has a new company "Croatia Airways", which operates from
and to major European cities, with Boeings 737. I tried them in June, this
year, from London to Zagreb. It was very comfortable. You book ticket by
phone, pay by major credit card, but there are only two officies in
London where one could do that, so far. 
Up to now, they do not have direct flights to USA. Inside Croatia they
fly to seaside resorts - Split and Pula.
Also, you could reach lovenia and Croatia with "Adria Airways". This is
a Slovenian company, I think quite reliable, too. They fly to Ljubljana
and from Ljubljana to Split, too.
Hope it would help. BTW, I spend very sunny and beautiful holidays in
Croatia this summer. It is known for very warm and clean sea, and very
low prices for food and accomodation.
Hrvoje
From: siddhart@quasar.cs.utk.edu (Siddharthan Ramachandramurthi)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Will North West Airlines be around in January?
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:16:09 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
Distribution: world
Reply-To: siddhart@quasar.cs.utk.edu (Siddharthan Ramachandramurthi)
NNTP-Posting-Host: quasar.cs.utk.edu
Keywords: North West, airline

Hi folks,
seems like I might have to fly North West 
from Los Angeles to Singapore, come December/January.
I'm afraid that they might go out of business by then.
What do y'all think?
-- 
Siddharthan Ramachandramurthi   |    
Department of Computer Science  |    
The University of Tennessee     |   
Knoxville, TN 37996-1301, USA   |  Internet: siddhart@cs.utk.edu                  
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: ngupta@mtl.mit.edu (Nitin Gupta)
Subject: Re: The new Pittsburgh airport
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 01:44:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.000819.17748@asd.com> scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)  
writes:
> When does the new Pittsburgh airport open?  With all the hype out of
> USAir I was wondering if I would get to see it during a transfer I was
> just booked on for September 25.
> 
> For that matter, when will the new USAir terminal at LaGuardia open?

The MidField Terminal at PIT opens on 1 October. When I passed through  
there a couple of weeks ago, I could see the terminal on departure. Looks  
spanking new, and quite spacious. Will be much better than there current  
terminal - it is the PITs. :-)  I couldn't resist...

Offhand, don't know about LGA.
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From: dennice@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu (Dennice)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: 1-800-747-TRAV
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:52:42 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel.air
Organization: Slac

Has anyone ever hear of that?    I was given this number here on Net News. 
I called it, but it says: Its been disconnected.  I was calling for my
honeymoon tickets.   They are whole sale ticket agency.......Does anyone
else know of any whole sale type agencies?........
From: bglazier@buffalo.asd.sgi.com (Bill Glazier)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Antitrust Rebate Program Options/Issues
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:45:30 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

I spent nearly $40,000 on air tickets in the period covered by
the current antitrust suit.  I have a series of questions
for the net:

1)  Does this mean I should get $4,000 in 10% discount coupons (i.e.
10% of my air travel purchases)?

2)  The agreement says if I am a 'natural person', I can designate
another 'natural person' to receive the certificates. What is a 'natural
person'?  Is a corporation or university a 'natural person'?  If I 
choose to transfer my certificates to another natural person, can I
choose to transfer a portion of my certificates, or transfer the
certificates to multiple natural persons? 

3)  Since there is no way my immediate family  will spend $40,000 on personal
travel in the next three years (the amount required to fully use the discount
coupons), I am looking for innovative ways to use these certificates (for
personal gain of course).  I can think of a few:

a)  Offer them for sale to a single highest bidder(s) (I must do this before I 
send in the certificates, so I indicate the person(s) to whom I wish to transfer the certificates before they are issued)

b)   Sell them to my company (in much the same way as above).  FYI, the majority
of this travel was done for a different company. so I am not 'extorting' my 
current employer.  

c)   Donate these certificates to a favorite charity or university.  This
will enable me to take a charitable contribution on the entire face value of
the certificate.  For someone in the 40% marginal combined state and federal
tax brackets, this offers 40 cents on the dollar.

If I were to pursuit Options A or B, I would have to sell the coupons at a 
discount from face value.  My suspicion is the discount would need to be in the
50% range to justify the transaction costs.  So, it seems the charity option
is essentially the same from a financial point of view , when adjusted for the
risk of non payment from a person or corporation.  

Any other ideas out there on how to take advantage of this opportunity?



 
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
Subject: Do travel agents receive commissions on consolidator tix?
Reply-To: citrin@soglio.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:49:40 GMT

I'm looking for a reasonably priced ticket to Hong Kong.  Is it
reasonable for me to go to my regular travel agent and ask her to
find me a consolidator fare, or am I asking her to do a lot of work
for me at no profit to herself?

If the latter, can anyone recommend a reliable consolidator who deals
with the public and specializes in tickets to Hong Kong?  It would be
a plus if the consolidator handled United tickets.

Thanks for the help.

Wayne

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Wayne Citrin   citrin@soglio.colorado.edu   citrin@cs.colorado.edu
From: hideo@tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (KANNO Hideo)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: [?] about Frequent Flyers Program..
Keywords: NW WorldPerks, UA Mileage Plus, JAL Mileage Bank
Date: 1 Sep 92 06:53:38 GMT
Organization: Computer Centre, University of Tokyo

In article <1992Aug30.173527.2973@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> u2105545@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
>Hi,
>I would like to know more about Frequenty Flyers Programs.

There are FAQ List of Frequent Flyer Programs for Japanese residents
in fj.rec.tarvel.air. They are available as JLaTeX files in Japanese. 
If you can, please read these articles. 

>I have only been to Japan once about 2 years ago, but 

>My father travles between Japan and Australia and US a lot.
>I don't know which air line my father uses, and whether
>he joins such program. If he doesn't, I could tell him 
>to use such programs.

I think it better to do this first.
And please explain detailed information for you and your father.

Does "between Japan and Australia and US" means
  Japan - US and Japan -Australia
and is it enough? 

Anyway are your father living in Japan?  Where?  Kanto or Kansai?

>* Which air lines offer such programes?[air lines that go between Japan and
>		 		         Australia and US]

Continental Airlines' OnePass:
  Many destination in Japan <=> Guam <=> Sydney
  But there's no direct transpacific service to US.

Northwest Airlines WorldPerks:
  Osaka<=>Sydney

United Airlines
  Tokyo <=> Honolulu <=> Sydney
  From this Autumn, Tokyo <=> Sydney

I don't know that Quantas flights between Japan to Australia can be
counted to some FFPs of US airlines or not.  Does anyone knows?

>* Which do YOU think the best?

For Japanese resident, the best is WorldPerks or Mileage Plus.
If your father will fly more than 25,000 miles per year,
the best is undoubtedly Mileage Plus, because of benefit of UA Premier.

>If there is any other things I should know, please let me know...

I think JAL Mileage Bank and ANA GoldPass are not available for
ticket issued in Japan or Australia, and for Australian residents.

Is there some JAL or ANA's FFP for Australian residents?
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            _      .---    KANNO HIDEO     kanno@tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp 
  _________/ |__--'@/      Dept. of Biophysics & Biochemistry, Univ. of Tokyo
 (__PAN AM/__|__===-~      3-1, Hongo 7-chome, Bunkyo-ku, Tokyo 113, JAPAN 
                           (JALNET: JAL13073, NIFTY-Serve: GFC00670)
From: hpham@yoda.next.com (Hao Pham (Temp))
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Need tickets to Vegas
Keywords: Tickets - Las Vegas
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:18:23 GMT
Reply-To: hpham@next.com

Hi!

I'm looking for a round trip air fare from San Jose or San Francisco to  
Las Vegas for 9/12 -9/13 (departing either Friday night or Saturday  
morming and coming back Sunday night or afternoon).  Any leads to the  
lowest fare possible or any tickets for sale.

Please contact me directly via e-mail to: hpham@next.com or call  
415-780-2746 since I do not read the postings regularly.

Thanks,
Hao Pham
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Use of radios on planes.
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 08:15:21 GMT

brit@wagner.Physics.McGill.CA (Dave Britton) wrote: 
->... The law that governs this 
->states that is illegal to rebroadcast private radio communication 
->between two people *unless* both parties agree.

i think the pilot was telling you a fib.  "broadcasting" has a very
specific meaning in this context, and i'm fairly certain that this is
not "broadcasting."  of course, ecpa probably fits in here, and i'm
not a lawyer ... but these are hardly "private" communications.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Will North West Airlines be around in January?
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:06:30
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: solarium.aero.org
In-reply-to: siddhart@quasar.cs.utk.edu's message of 1 Sep 92 23:16:09 GMT

siddhart@quasar.cs.utk.edu (Siddharthan Ramachandramurthi) said:
> Hi folks,
> seems like I might have to fly North West 
> from Los Angeles to Singapore, come December/January.
> I'm afraid that they might go out of business by then.
> What do y'all think?

Many industry people have speculated that the summer fare wars would
weaken Northwest and USAir substantially, and if this winter's travel
doesn't pick up, there is the potential for them to go into Chapter 11
bankruptcy.

However, the last article I read in a business mag (maybe 4 months ago
now) pointed out that Northwest has a lower debt ratio than several of
the big airlines (United and American?), which helps counteract
Northwest's low cash position.

My personal speculation is that even with a disastrous fall and winter
travel season, no additional U.S. Airlines would enter bankruptcy
before next spring.  And airlines that are in Chapter 11 have a tendency
to fly for a *long* time after entering bankruptcy (consider TWA,
Continental, Pan Am, Eastern, Braniff..)

Of course, this all may be positive thinking on my part.  I'm flying
to Australia on Northwest in December.

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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Subject: Re: Want to change departure date w/o spending $$$.... any suggestions?
Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:07:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.235430.1227@cmcl2.nyu.edu> obrien@acf3.nyu.edu (Chief O'Brien) writes:
>I have a airline ticket (TWA) departing NYC/JFK on Sept. 5th to Atlanta at 4:35
>pm, returning on Sept. 9th.  I want to move my departure date to the 4th.  I 
>called TWA and they told me since I got my ticket during the summerfare wars,
>it would cost me $25 for changing the ticket and then an additional $85 for the
>difference in airfare.   My question is, Is there anyway to change my 
>departure date without spending that much money?
>
>Thanks in Advance,
>
>-Julia

Ah yes... the something for nothing syndrome!  Gee... and you want to
do this on an airlines that is in Chapter 11 on the Friday of a holiday
weekend?

There is a reason why the airlines say "seats are limited."  It's not
because they don't have the seats, it's because the number of seats on a
flight assigned to these low fares are limited.  If they made the entire
plane available at these low fares, then they would be making less money
than they are now.  It's call business.  They told you there would be a
charge to change the tickets and you accepted that by buying them. 
Also, every airline has the policy that if you change your ticket and
they don't have a seat at the same fare then you have to pay the
difference plus the change fee.  This is what you agreed to when you
bought the ticket and they said "Restrictions Apply."  These are the
restrictions.

If you don't like the restrictions buy a Y Class ticket (full fare
coach).  OR you can try to go to the airport on Friday, September 4,
Labor Day Weekend, and try to fly standby.  They may charge you the $25
change fee if you can get on the plane.  However, my guess is your
chance of getting on a flight from TWA's biggest hub to TWA's newest
mini-hub is slim to none.  TWA's policy (I've spoken with a TWA employee
who used to work as a gate attendant) is to place people who have missed
connections, who have been bumped, and even provide for crew flow in
available seats before walkups.  In fact, there has been cases where
crews have been bumped because of high volume.  And on a holiday
weekend...?   Good Luck!!
-- 
scott barman			| <This space intentionally left blank>
scott@asd.com			|
 (I can barely speak for myself, you expect me to speak for my employer??)
From: lcheng@milton.u.washington.edu (Linda Cheng)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: cheap ticket wanted
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:35:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep4.173510.21871
Reply-To: lcheng@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


         My son has the following travel plan:
         Seattle - Taipei - Cairo - Bangkok - Taipei - Seattle.
         He is on a tight student budget and the lowest price the travel
         agents gave him was 2000.  Is this a good buy?  Does anyone 
         know of a better deal or know a travel agent that can give
         a lower price?  He needs to leave on Sept. 20th. Thank you
         very much.