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From: barry@jab.tucson.az.us (Barry Mishkind)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: "SHADA" US release {Update}
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 15:42:41 PDT
Organization: Just Another Bbs. Tucson, AZ

daj@cam-orl.co.uk (David A. James) writes:

> scenes have been shot, however. If there is sufficient demand and legally it'
> not too much of a minefield, I am prepared to spend a day
> typing/scanning the script in and posting it for the benefit of those
> whose copies of
> Shada do not/will not contain a copy of it.


Hummm.... the question I think I'd want to ask is whether the script goes
beyond that which is on the tape? I can say that there was more on the 
scrolling script on the incomplete version than that voiced by TB. It didn't 
add a tremendous amount, but did fill in a hole or two.

regards
Barry


==================================================================
Barry Mishkind
barry@jab.tucson.az.us
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Sixth Doctor
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:21:59 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1847dcINN2tp@maico.ksu.ksu.edu> lazarus@maico.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith) writes:
>If you ever look at a Programme Guide, you'll notice that the Twin Dilemma (his
>first episode) is the ONLY series for that season!

That's 'cause Peter Davison regenerated in the next-to-last story of season
21, "The Caves of Androzani".  JNT decided to give the last story to Colin
in order to give the viewing public an advance taste of the new Doctor.

Unfortunately, that advance taste turned out to be pretty sour.

>  I think that that's when the
>show went into it's first disappearance.  Between that, and his ultimate 

Nope, the first disappearance (a nine-month delay... how short that seems
these days...) was after the end of Season 22, following "Revelation of
the Daleks".

Just a little net.pedantry...
Xref: sparky rec.arts.drwho:5788 rec.arts.tv.uk:5235
From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho,rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Deborah Watling
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:14:20 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Sep3.202243.4249@ulowell.ulowell.edu> pcrossma@cs.ulowell.edu (The Gillrocker) writes:
>In article <s0ViqB1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>>Here's one for us!
>>
>>It was nice to see a complete DW serial with Deborah Watling featured.
>>Interesting how she portrays the innocent Victorian girl  Victoria Waterfield.
>
>It sure was....WHAT A HOT BABE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sigh. She's old enough to be your mother. (not that that appears to be saying much).

What is it about ulowell that attracts the immature?  First mark & matt diantonio,
and now this.

-- 
John Francis                                johnf@apollo.hp.com
Seen passing on the net:  Spotted Owl - the *other* white meat!
From: EEC@PORTIA.UMDS.LON.AC.UK (Steve P eec@portia.umds.lon.ac.uk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: RE: The Macra Titles
Date: 4 Sep 1992 04:19:21 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

 
From: neal@RIEMANN.MATH.MUN.CA (Neal Crossan)
> 
>   As was pointed out DWB #87 does show the Macra Terror beginning with the
> new titles.  More interesting, under the section on Technical Observations
> it says;
> 
>    The Macra Terror saw the introduction of a new title sequence and
> re-arranged theme tune.  The Radiophonic Workshop restructured Ron Grainers
> original score synching it in with the new titles, designed solely this time
> by Bernard Lodge.
> 
>    Now in the CMS edition for The Macra Terror (which is used virtually 
> word for word in the above article) it said;
> 
>    The Macra Terror marked the last use of the standard Doctor Who
> opening title sequence and title music.
> 
>    Both were written by Jeremy Bentham.
>  
> 
>      -Neal Crossan-


Ah, yes ! I missed the techical observations bit.

Also, I think I'm right in saying that the DWB is of much more recent
vintage than the CMS file and so, presumably, represents Jeremy B's
current thinking on the matter.

I picked up the new (double) issue of "The Frame" last night.
In David Howe's "Bits and Pieces" section (page 31) he reviews "The Macra
Terror" audio release, saying.....

"It is sheer carelessness that the Hartnell theme has been used instead of
the Troughton one on The Macra Terror release."

The Troughton theme went with the new Troughton sequence. That is some
more evidence for you.  I don't know why the themes had to be re-dubbed for
these tapes anyway - the clarity of the theme music jarrs with the muddiness
of the main parts of the episodes.  Only "Evil" ep 2 is of (what I would call)
satisfactory quality.

Steve P
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From: mrmuon@next09pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Tomb and questions.
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:44:55 GMT

In article <30AUG92.18520644@nerus.pfc.mit.edu> mrl@nerus.pfc.mit.edu  
writes:
> I would also be interested in knowing why Troughton left after only a  
short
> time.  Ratings?  While I was not impressed when I had seen him in other
> stories, I was in this one.

Troughton stayed only slightly less long than Hartnell. He was good  
friends with Hartnell and didn't want to stay longer than him.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: dw stuff
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 04:25:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.752.12066@dosgate> "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com> writes:
>Dave Shariff Yadallee wrote:
>
>
> Can't say I know the answer. But, I don't take his programme guide as

A very good question.  They never told us!
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Wanted: Quizze Arbitration panel
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 06:20:12 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Due to conflict and contraversy, I think that this quizze master should call
upon netters who are non-quizze participants to help the quizze master in cases
of contraversy.  This way an unbiased panel can override bad decision by any
quizze master.  Openings are now available.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
cowboy (n): A 20th Century extension of  the neanderthal caveman.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: What happened?
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 15:34:09 PDT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

mrmuon@next05pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:

> In article <1992Aug23.202359.19420@spang.Camosun.BC.CA>  
> dbarker@spang.Camosun.BC.CA (Deryk Barker) writes:
> > It's not necessarily "preconceived dislike", it's just the awareness
> > that nobody who wasn't born and brought up in England during a
> > particular period would produce something recognisable as Dr. Who.
> 
> I think the main problem with American commercial television is that it is  
> commercial. It virtually always goes for whatever will make the most  
> money. If DW was somehow turned over to an american network it would  
> probably be drastically altered by beurocrats until being cancelled in  
> less than a season.

I totally agree with you.  And a good example of what happens is the 
American Red Dwarf.  I haven't seen the pilot, but I know someone who has,
and the British version is MUCH better.  And all that work into the pilot,
and NBC isn't going to buy it, (at least I don't think so).  Oh and and example
of the change, Lister isn't a slob.  He is very....G.Q.  And all the actors
are American, except Kryten.  I'm glad they are still making the "real"
shows in England.
> 
> I don't think it's fundamentally impossible for an american to produce DW.  
> I think that if I was capable of doing television production then I could  
> produce something recognizable as Doctor Who, for the simple reason that  
> I've watched it most of my life.
> 
> My main concern about who gets to produce Who is that it is somone very  
> familiar with the show, so that they don't ruin it.

I agree.  I think someone familiar with the show should produce it.  Why the
BBC is holding off on selling the production rights when they did/do? have
a buyer is beyond me.  So in that regard, I don't think that there is all
that much difference between the BBC and the Network exectives.  All of them
are very shortsighted.

"I wanted to get into program planning, but unfortunatly I have degree"
			        			 -Monty Python


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"Do you want to argue with a can of deodorant that registers
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From: HISC9016351D@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Sixth Doctor
Date: 3 Sep 92 10:53:17 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

In <1847dcINN2tp@maico.ksu.ksu.edu> lazarus@maico.ksu.ksu.edu writes:

> 
> 
> If you ever look at a Programme Guide, you'll notice that the Twin Dilemma (his
> first episode) is the ONLY series for that season!  I think that that's when the
> show went into it's first disappearance.  Between that, and his ultimate 
> dismissal from the programme, Colin got a REALLY bad deal...
> 
> --
Just one small point here that i think you've got wrong.  The Twin Dilemna
came at the end of the final Peter Davison series.  Then later on, the
first full Sixth Doctor series began.  As such, Twin Dilemna wasn't the
only serial for a particular season.  Also, the show went into its first
hiatus after Revelation of the Daleks was finished.  Cheers.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: mrmuon@next05pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: New(?) Rumours
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:39:58 GMT

In article <2737@nlsun1.oracle.nl> gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary  
Bradley) writes:
>     I doubt Verity Lambert would have time given she now handles
> Eldorado (the Beeb's new mega-expensive mega-flop soap opera set in
> Spain) full time. And if Eldorado is cancelled (and any sane BBC
> controller would cancel it now to at least save face, and minimise loss)
> would you let anyone who was involved with it near a new show????

A: DW is not a new show.
B: She helped create Doctor Who and I would trust her with it more than  
_anyone_ else.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: xoanon@hydra.unm.edu (timothy k istian soholt)
Subject: Partial story and adventure from TIME LORD RPG
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 18:36:51 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

I just picked up a copy of the TIME LORD role-playing
game yesterday, and I'm wondering about the solo adven-
ture and the partially written, partially synopsized 
story in the rulebook. Does anyone  know if either of
these are going to be published in full at any time?
The recent post about upcoming "New Adventures" releases
doesn't mention a novel  called _The Necromancers_, and
as near as I can tell there's no mention of it or the
adventure (_Switchback_?) in the TIME LORD rulebook,
except to say that they can't put either one in the 
rulebook in its entirety due to space constraints.

By the way, it looks like a pretty decent game; I 
like the "levels of competence" concept and the me-
chanic  of "beating the difference." Too  bad the
character generation system is so limited (or, I
suppose, depending on your viewpoint, not limited
enough). Ah, well, I've always wanted to play the
Doctor.

-- Tim Soholt (xoanon@carina.unm.edu), The Man With No .sig
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:37:28 EDT
From: <JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu> Jean Prior
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Sixth Doctor

Personally, Colin was my favorite Doctor 'cos he was the only one to really not
put up with whiny companions (like Peri).  True, his tenure was short, so he
really didn't get a full realization of the character.  However, he really took
some of the attributes of the previous Doctors and put in a good bit of his own
stuff, and came up with something new, unlike Sylvester McCoy.  I'm not trying
to put Sylvester McCoy down or anything 'cos I love his stuff as well, but his
Doctor always reminded me of Pat Troughton's Doctor.  Also, I loved the so-
called "tasteless" jacket.  I suspect it's because I have no care if something
is "fashionable".  If I like the look, I like it.  I don't care if it's not
Christian Dior or whatever.   So, there's my opinions on Colin.  I hope no one
flames me over it because it is *MY OPINION*.

                         Cheers,
                         Jean aka Chainsaw

 **** Penn State cares about my money, not my opinions. ****
From: steven.k.manfred@UWRF.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: ActorWatch
Date: 2 Sep 92 03:12:25 GMT



Just in case anyone's interested, I spotted two actors who were once
guest stars on "Doctor Who" in the two-part CBS mini-series of
"Jack the Ripper" which concluded tonight.

One was T.P. McKenna.  In "Doctor Who" he played Captain Cook in 
	"The Greatest Show in the Galaxy."
	In this movie he played the senior editor of the newspaper
	we spend most time with (that's covering the murders)

The other was John Normingont.  He was twice on "Doctor Who,"
	playing Morgus in "The Caves of Androzani," and
	Trevor Sigma in "The Happiness Patrol."
	In this movie his role was a little small, but there
	nonetheless, he was the dresser for Mansfield the
	American actor who played Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde in the
	theatre.

Oops.  Normingtont is spelled Normington, no t.  (I'm using a quickie
editor and can't go up to correct the line!)

One smallish connection not to Who but to Peter Davison at least,
Lysette Anthony as the last prostitute killed by the Ripper, who
people may remember as having played Albert Campion's future wife
in that Peter Davison series seen in the US on "Mystery!"


Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Long live Sylvester McCoy
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 01:28:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.133443.14412@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff) writes:
>
>I didn't think "The Gunfighters" was >that< bad, although the British 
>accents on cowboys was pretty abysmal.  The one story I can't stand
>is "The Greatest Show in the Galaxy."  
>


I simply *have* to say something about this!
You prefer The Gunfighters to The Greatest Show in the Galaxy?
Greatest SHow is to me one of Sylvester's best stories, and his personal
favorite as well.  It has such a surreal atmosphere to it I simply
must adore it, and is possibly the only reason I didn't synopsis it,
because I feel reluctant to attempt to reproduce the same atmosphere
via text, since it was such a cinematographic story.  

Why don't you like Greatest Show?  

The only thing I find a bit annoying about it is the somewhat unclear
ending sequences where the Doctor seemed to suddenly gain magic powers
in front of the Gods until I realized two things: 1) he was in a different
time/space where mind power seems to be stronger (hence the name Psychic
Circus), and 2) he already had magic tricks prepared for the talent
contest, so it wasn't really a case of him pulling everything out of his
hat.

Once I figured that stuff out, my mind was at ease, peace, and joy about
the story.
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: TROUGHTON TITLE SEQUENCES
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:28:35 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <9209030933.AA04290@cs.utexas.edu> EEC@PORTIA.UMDS.LON.AC.UK (Steve P eec@portia.umds.lon.ac.uk) writes:
>> 
>> Do the telesnaps show the title of the story in the correct Troughton
>> font or are they just of the title sequence?  If they have the font right,
>> then I might believe this.  If not, I'll accept what others have said
>> until the day when the story is somehow recovered, should that ever occur.
>
>There are two shots from the title sequence joined in the negative to
>two shots from the opening moments of episode two.
>The negative at this point was unbroken  (it was shown around in the Tavern).
>I don't recall whether the title caption had been caught by the camera or not.
>I'll check up.  Better still, why don't you doubting Thomases look it up for
>yourselves and see what you think? DWB #97.
>

Dream Watch Bulletin is *extremely* difficult to find in the States,
so it would be a bit difficult for me to look up that issue you cite.

If your check looks promising, then I'll accept this and forever say
that indeed "The Macra Terror" is the first story to carry the face
sequence.
From: teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN DAVENPORT)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Dr Who film reported official!
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:39:07 GMT
Organization: Institute of Education, University of London

In <2794@nlsun1.oracle.nl> gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley) writes:


>   Apologies if this is old news! I heard on the Children's TV news
>program recently (the one in the slot that was for years occupied by
>John Craven's Newsround) that the Dr Who film is now official and WILL
>go ahead very soon. Choice of Doctor is still to be decided, but the
>favourite at time of report was Dudley Moore (!). Take this news as you will.
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^

I think I've gone to hell, and this is my punishment. The idea of Dudley
Moore giggling his way through a film as the doctor almost makes me 
physically ill. If this is true (which I rather doubt) then it's got to
be the worst bit of casting I've seen since Donald Pleasance played the
American president in Escape from New York.

>+---------------------+------------------------------------------+
>| Gary Bradley        |   "You receive a love letter from me and |
>| ORACLE Corp, UK     |                  you're f*cked forever!" |
>| Edinburgh, SCOTLAND |        - Frank Booth ("Blue Velvet")     |
>+---------------------+------------------------------------------+
>| "God damn the censor man"                                      |
>+----------------------------------------------------------------+

Ian J Davenport   MULLARD SPACE SCIENCE LABORATORY   ijd@uk.ac.ucl.mssl

       "F**k the physics, just get me outta here!" - TImescape
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
Subject: Re: Sylvester McCoy in person in Dallas
Reply-To: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 17:52:41 GMT


In a previous article, uhclem@nemesis.UUCP () says:

>
>Surprise!  Instead of the programming originally scheduled for
>the Dr. Who Marathon, we had a treat.  Sylvester McCoy appeared in
>the Dallas studios of KERA 13 on Saturday, August 15th, and worked the
>pledge breaks from 7PM until 11:30. 
>
>
My brother in St. Louis told me that the St. Loo PBS claimed that they were
the first station in the USA to show "Tomb" (weekend of 22 Aug).  I guess
they figure that noone could prove them right or wrong.


-- 
: Pete Mullaney              :  Always do right.  This will gratify       :
:                             :  some and astonish the rest.               :
:                             :      Samuel  Langhorne Clemens             :   
:                             :      aka Mark Twain                        :
From: 00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Sixth Doctor
Date: 3 Sep 92 06:24:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.152420.17878@lugb.latrobe.edu.au>, HISC9016351D@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert) writes:
> As a new reader of this news group, this has probably been discussed before,
> but, what do people actually think of Colin Baker's tenure as the Doctor?
> You know, the stories, and his characterisation of the Doctor.  Personally
> I think he was very harshly done by, and given what I saw here several 
> years ago, I was quite happy with the shows that were made.  Maybe I'm
> sentimental, but how fair is it that he did only 11 shows?  Eleven!!
> Geez, that was a whole season back in the 1960's. I'd be grateful
> for any opinions.  Cheers.   

Personally, I've always thought Colin added a certain...flair to the role.  Of
course, the same could be said about any of the actors...esp. Pertwee.  But I
think Colin played his Doctor well, even in the beginning.  I thought he did
well, playing the Doctor as half out of his mind after a screwy regeneration,
and slowly stabilising as the shows progressed.  When Trial of A Time Lord
(ToATL) came out, he was fully regenerated.  It seemed a pity to 'off' him, but
the BBC didn't like his opinions of their delays in keeping Who going, so they
let him go.

I am sure many people were saddened by Colin's treatement.  It was an 
unfortunate occurrance, and we hope it will never happen to the next
Doctor...whomever he may be.


Just my .02 worth.

Bruce
-- 
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Don't look at me in that tone of voice!  BSU disclaims me, and I disclaim them.
From: juoncatherin@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: I can't reach bcr@cernapo <Bill R
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:30:09 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

TO: Bill Reimers
FROM:  <JUONCATHERIN>, creator of 'Long Live Slyvester McCoy'
REGARDING: 'Re: Long Live Sylvester McCoy'

I tried to mail you a message, but the postmaster program keeps telling me 
your address is bullshit.  So I decided to post you a message.  Thanks for 
the response(s), and I agree that all the Doctors past, present, and future 
deserved, deserve, and deserved a chance.  Also I agree that change is 
shocking although it usually works out O.K.  And hey, who says the Tardis 
couldn't look better.  Just as long as the outside is still a police box 
and the inside is still recognisable, who says a few changes wouldn't hurt? 
Although I don't believe it would be as good if it was produced in the U.S.
any new Dr. Who would be good.
From: lambert_l@ab.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Question on New Scifi Channel
Date: 23 Aug 92 22:53:13 GMT
Organization: Alderson-Broaddus College

<I have a question about the new scifi channel?
Is it going to cost anything to have it or will it be free like 
the USA channel? Someone please answer my question.


   Thanx, 

   Desperate at Alderson-Broaddus College


   Also #1 Doctor Who Fan!!!!!!


     YEAH DOCTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!