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From: dseeman@novell.com (Daniel Seeman)
Subject: Re: NW4Mac: Locking the Desktop?
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:51:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.125718.205@kahuna.asc-yf.wpafb.af.mil> nieland_t@kahuna.asc-yf.wpafb.af.mil writes:
>Is there a way to lock the desktop on Netware Volumes under NW4Mac?  Basically 
>I want to reserve the top most directory to changes by the Supervisor and that 
>includes moving the icons around.
>
>-- 
>Ted Nieland				nieland_t@kahuna.asc-yf.wpafb.af.mil
>(513) 476-4639				nieland@ted.hcst.com
>Hassler Communications Systems Technology

Hi,

"Locking" the desktop (per se) would be a bad idea.  This database must be used
by all Macintosh clients to find out how to draw the desktop on the screen.  So,
do not lock the files, or take away everyone's rights to that directory (that 
wouldn't do much anyway).  If you are looking to control the icon views in a 
given folder, just change the ownership of a folder to SUPERVISOR.  Then 
as SUPERVISOR arrange the icons in the folder as needed.  All other non-SUPERVIS
OR users will see that same layout when they open the folder.  These non-SUPER-
VISOR users will be able to re-arrange things during their current session, but
when they close the volume or logout, and re-open the folder, the icons will be
arraned in the original fashion (that SUPERVISOR had used).  This really works!

It is rather labour intensive to "clean-up" ALL of the folders on your
volumes.  Is this so important?  Wouldn't it be better just to view by name?
With System 7, one can view by name and use the control panels/views to adjust
the size of the icons and fonts.  So, if you have bad eyes (like mine) just 
view by name and use the largest possible fonts and icons.  It really works!
Besides, it is really for each individual user to decide on how they would like
to see icons on their Macintosh.

Think Peace...

Dan Seeman
Novell
Walnut Creek, Ca.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: ssuther@brahma.trl.OZ.AU (S. Sutherland)
Subject: Novell Internet host name?
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 05:50:49 GMT

Pardon me if this is a FAQ, but what is the name of Novell's Internet
host?  I tried ftp.slc.is.novell.com and ftp.is.sandy.novell.COM without
success today.

Thanks for the info.

A further question (the reason for wanting to access the host) - what is
the patch level for Netware 3.11?  (I have 311pt3 from about 1 year
ago)?

Thanks,
Scott.
 _______________________________________________________________________
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From: keith@novell.com (Keith Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: NFS NLM max path len
Date: 4 Jan 93 03:51:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Novell, Inc. San Jose, California

In article <1992Dec30.230648.4349@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> cazier@gothamcity.uucp (David J. Cazier [I-NET]) writes:
>Is there a path length restriction to a mounted DOS volume under NFS NLM
>where a UNIX application may be making a "cd" or tries to reach a file
>nested fairly deeply?

No. And it's not a mounted DOS volume either. It's a mounted NetWare volume.

You will find though that some UNIX utilities have limits on the lengths
of complete file paths, the most inconvenient of which is many tar(1)'s.

Keith
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Keith Brown                                       Phone: (408) 473 8308
Novell San Jose Development Center                Fax:   (408) 473 8990
2180 Fortune Dr, San Jose, California 95131       Net:   keith@sjf.novell.COM
From: carlb@tamsun.tamu.edu (Carl A. Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Please Read (was Re: "Lost Space" on a 486/SCSI server (3.11))
Date: 30 Dec 1992 21:16:19 -0600
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu

Before anyone else writes me to tell me, I know about purge, and of
the 60Meg that is missing, only 202K is used by deleted files.
That's why I included the data from chkvol. (Reproduced Below).

If anyone knows what else could cause a server to "lose" disk space,
or what to do about it, please let me know.

Thanks.

-Carl

---Begin (parts) of previous article.

>I'm having a problem with my NetWare 3.11 server (486/EISA/16Meg/SCSI).
>The problem is that occasionally it will "lose" space, as in when you 
>delete something (especially directories), it will not free up the      
>space that the directory used, although it no longer exists. 

>[ F:\>chkvol
>[ Statistics for fixed volume RMF/SYS:

Some data deleted.

>[ Space in use by deleted files:                   212  K Bytes
>[ Space available from deleted files:              204  K Bytes


-- 
---
Carl Brown  /  carlb@tamu.edu  /  CSC-RMF  /  Texas A&M  /  845-0808
The only thing that is impossible to do in Unix is to figure out 
how to do certain things.  -me (I think :)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: *** WARNING *** Novell + QuickTime = Disaster
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:05:39 GMT
Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center

In article <1992Dec28.173804.5478@novell.com> dseeman@novell.com (Daniel
Seeman) writes:
>NetWare DOES implement time stamps correctly (if you are using the word
"correct
>ly" with respect to DOS workstation clients).

Since we're talking about Macs here, NetWare _doesn't_ implement time stamps
correctly.
It's supposed to be an AFP-compatible server, not AFP-compatible except for
time stamps and CD-ROMs.

>problem is not so easy.  A choice was made in the beginning and to date, (I
>had nothing to do with this decision process) Novell has elected to stick with

>that original format.  It is not such a bad decision considering the number of

>DOS clients compared to Macintosh (NetWare) clients.

This could be interpreted to say that Novell doesn't care about supporting
Macs.

> Also, it is MUCH easier
>to change the client's side rather than on the server's side 

I consider it inelegant to ask application writers to make special patches to
their code to get around bugs in other publishers' software.

>However, let me hopefully put an end to this string (it really isn't getting
>us anywhere) by asking that everyone keep their eyes open for another solution
>that should not involve "fixing" the client side application.

We already have our solution - AppleTalk for PCs.

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: todd.strauch@med.umich.edu (Todd R Strauch)
Subject: Re: Adding volumes to server
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 06:37:47 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Medical School
Followup-To: comp.sys.novell

In article <1h1aobINN4lo@news.cerf.net>, raymond@nic.cerf.net (Raymond
Roque) wrote:
> 
> To Sys Admins and Novell Certified Engineers:
> 
> I'm trying to add an external hard disk to our Novell server, 
> a 386 version 3.11 for the MacIntosh (20 users).
> 
> The server is a first generation 386 which only upgrades to
> 6 Megs of RAM memory, an ALR 220.
> 
> Currently, three volumes are mounted totaling 600Megs of
> hard disk space. Viewing their options from the install
> loadable module, each volumes were configured using 16K blocks.	
> 
> After creating another volume for this hard disk (1300megs),
> I tried to mount it in the install NLM. The server gave me
> an error of: "Cache memory allocator error out of available memory"
> 
> To mount a total of 1900Meg in the server, how much RAM memory
> do I need for the server?
> 
> Confering with other people and the installation manuals (taking
> into consideration that we are using a MacIntosh environment),
> the computation should be (Page 113-114 of the installation
> manual):
> 
> (.032 * (Total hard disk space)) / block size = RAM memory required
> 
> 0.032 for name space support since it is a Mac environment.
> 
> If the block size is 16K which was used with the other
> volumes, I get 3.8Megs for the RAM requirement. This seems to
> be inaccurate because at 6 Megs of RAM, my server flags the 
> error.
> 
> If the block size is 4K which is the standard configuration, 
> I get 15.2 (approx 16 Megs) for the RAM requirement.
> 
> Can anyone help?
> 
> I just need more info before deciding to get a new motherboard
> for the server.
> 
You are correct in that a 1900Mb volume supporting the Mac name space will
consume 3.8Mb, but you also have to add at least 2Mb for the operating
system as well as memory to handle NICs and connections to the server and
any other additional NLMs that may be loaded but are necessary for the
operation of the server (INSTALL, MONITOR, ATCON, etc...).  This will
easily push you to the limit on your 6Mb.  Be aware that Novell stresses
that their memory calculations are MINIMUM memory requirements.  In most
situations, you will probably exceed them (somewhat).

Todd R. Strauch
University of Michigan Medical School
Ann Arbor, Michigan
todd.r.strauch@med.umich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: winslade@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Winslade)
Subject: Re: Novell Btrieve 4.11 file corruption
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 04:15:41 GMT

Tom billet <TEB106@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>Hi, we are using Btrieve 4.11 as our file manager.
[munch]
>I tried using the Butil -save command ...

You might try the Butil -recover command.  An application we have used to
run into strange problems if the btrieve files had been updated thousands
of times.  In a batch that is run nightly, the three data files are written
out using -recover, restarted using -create, and -loaded again.

We've been doing this for several versions of Btrieve, so the problem may
now have been really fixed, but this nightly clean-up seems to make the
whole system run much smoother.
 
Good day       JSW

Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell,bit.listserv.novell
From: thomst@netcom.com (Thom Stark)
Subject: Re: NOT-LOGGED-IN - Getting rid of.
Keywords: Connections Zapping not-logged-in
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:08:16 GMT

Quentin.Smart@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:

>Help!

>We have several 3.11 servers that get choked up with NOT-LOGGED-IN "users"
>so the real people can't get in. Could some kind person please enlighten me
>what the solution to this is and be it an NLM where to find it.


>Many thanks.

You CAN simply go to the CONSOLE (or use RCONSOLE,) highlight CONNECTION
INFORMATION, use <F5> to highlight each user NOT-LOGGED-IN, hit <DEL> and
answer "Y" + <ENTER> to the prompt..

..OR, you COULD just have your users LOG OUT and then TURN OFF THEIR
WORKSTATION(s) at the end of a session.

Neither solution requires an NLM, eh?

Thom Stark  thomst@netcom.com
Xref: sparky comp.sys.novell:10742 bit.listserv.novell:19587
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell,bit.listserv.novell
Subject: NOT-LOGGED-IN   - Getting rid of.
From: Quentin.Smart@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 07:46:04 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Keywords: Connections Zapping not-logged-in

Help!

We have several 3.11 servers that get choked up with NOT-LOGGED-IN "users"
so the real people can't get in. Could some kind person please enlighten me
what the solution to this is and be it an NLM where to find it.


Many thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: rfranken@mcs213f.cs.umr.edu (Richard Brett Frankenberger)
Subject: Re: NCP requests/replies ...
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:49:27 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

In article <1992Dec17.213405.6282@usl.edu> kxg8272@usl.edu (Guruswamy Karthikeyan) writes:
>Hi !,
>I have a basic question regarding NCP. Does NCP use SPX ? If it doesnt
>why do you need SPX/IPX ? When I read the IPX router documentation it said
>that NCP is a special packet to be routed. Then where are the IPX/SPX
>packets used by the workstation ? Am I not noticing something ?
>
IPX and SPX are two separate protocols.  The fact that one driver typically
provides support for both is irrelevant.  IPX is a lower level protocol, which
provides routing, etc.  It is comparable to IP.  SPX is a higher level protocol
that provides connection oriented communication.  It uses IPX as its lower
level protocol, and is comparable to TCP.  NCP is another protocol, used by
workstations to talk to a Novell NetWare server.  It uses IPX as its lower
level protocol also.  I don't know what it would be comparable to in the TCP/IP
world (possibly the protocol used by NFS - if I'm not mistaken, NFS does not
use TCP).
 
IPX is then used by NCP to carry its traffic to and from the server.
 
      - Brett
From: cjmarsha@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Charles Marshall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: to ODI or not, that is the question...
Date: 27 Dec 92 10:08:39 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

hgpeach@ms.uky.edu (Harold Peach) writes:
: from the Netware 386 we are currently using.  What advantages
: are there to us switching to ODI?  Disadvantages?  Cost is not
: an issue here.  We are being offered the upgrade for free.
:

Advantages:
	1) it's not card specific, sortof.  SMC cards still need SMc
drivers and NE2000 cards will need NE2000 drivers.  But you don't need
WSGEN.  All settings are done through NET.CFG
	2) Novell supports it now.  Does not support packet drivers.
	3) easier to update.  Four files are needed to connect to the
server: LSL, card driver, IPXODI, NETX.  Update individual files from
system login script with WSUPDATE.  Of course, NDIS just adds on top of
this configuration.
   4) smaller files make them easier to stuff into upper memory areas

Disadvantages:
	1) slightly larger footprint (about 4K)

If you stay away from NETX 3.31 and use 3.26, you won't notice much in
extra memory loss

Charles

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: vikki@e40-008-7.MIT.EDU (Vikki King)
Subject: Can I bind ip to a class C *subnet*? (faq?)
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 02:57:04 GMT


Hi:

	I just tried to do the following:

		bind ip to ne3200 addr=192.233.25.15 mask=255.255.255.192

Well, it complained something about not being able to have all 1's or 0's in
for a host address or something like that.  I checked the tcpip guide for
Netware 3.11 and it talked plenty about using class A and B subnets but
suspiciously didn't include class C subnets in it's explanation.  Going through
some old mail leads me to believe that I won't be able to do this.  I
thought I remembered that you just couldn't have two interfaces in a 3.11
server and be able to use subnetting or something like that.
	If I can't do this, why?  What's the difference in terms of writing
TCPIP.NLM as far as class A & B vs. C subnets go?  Also, what are other people
doing who need to put there 3.11 servers on a tcpip net that uses class C
subnetting?  I could always try to ask the NIC for a whole class C
address for each different net that I want to have a 3.11 server tcpip
reachable on and get rid of my subnet, but I don't think that's fair to the
Internet community considering the crunch on addresses that we are all facing.
Does anyone have any suggestions?  Is my bind statement incorrect?

-John
jackson@a1.mec.mass.edu or vikki@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: mukasa@panix.com (Michael K Mukasa)
Subject: SHIVA netmodems and clones??
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:09:40 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

Please e-mail me directly with any answers to this post.

We just purchased Shiva netmodem 9600 for Macs and PC's.  The Macs are
fine the PC's,it seems, need a Novell network to run this sofware.  We
only have an Apple ethernet and localtalk network (connected to each other)
which has both clones and PC's on.
How can I get round this and get the PC's to access the net modem.

Thanks in advance

Michael
mukasa@panix.com

P.S. IF THIS IS NOT THE CORRECT GROUP FOR THIS QUESTION PLEASE CROSS POST
IT TO THE CORRECT ONE.
From: akuta@vaal.cpr (The Ears of Vaal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Dedicated machine survey
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:29:04 GMT
Reply-To: akuta@vaal.cpr.upenn.edu

Hello All,

I wonder if I could ask you to send me a brief message with the following  
information about your Novell network:

How many computers [including server(s)] are dedicated to various network  
functions?  (where "dedicated" means no users can use it)

(If you'd like, an enumeration of the functions to which the machines are  
assigned would be wonderful...)

Thanks alot.  If there's interest, I'll summarize.

Chris Nagel
Reply to: akuta@vaal.cpr.upenn.edu
From: simon@mimosa.unice.fr ()
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Backup from Unix
Date: 28 Dec 1992 11:31:17 GMT
Organization: University of Nice - Sophia Antipolis, France
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mimosa.unice.fr
Originator: simon@mimosa.unice.fr

We want to backup our novell partition (we run netware 3.11) from Unix
but root has the rights of nobody. Any clues ??

Thanx

--
simon@mimosa.unice.fr

Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: msjle@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Joi L. Ellis)
Subject: Re: searching WP files on a novell LAN for key wordswords
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:54:33 GMT

jc@i5120h.nrl.navy.mil (J. Clark) writes:

Grep will croak on binary files.  I never had much luck using my copy of
Turbo C 1.5's GREP utility to find 'lost' WP documents.  I wrote a
program myself to search through a directory structure matching one or
more filespecs looking for those that contain a keyword.  It works on
DOS or Novell and isn't limited to directory depth.  (It might croak if
the path is too long, though.  It hasn't been an issue for my LAN.)  It
also can be told to do a case insensitive search, and has a small number
of options to modify what its output looks like.  It doesn't care if the
file is binary or not and doesn't use ascii cr/lf for delimiters.

    ASCII -i DOG f:\users\dummy *.wp *.ws *.txt

would do a case insensitive search for the word DOG in user Dummy's
directory and all subdirectories, looking at files ending with .WP, .WS,
and .TXT.  Any number of filespecs of any standard type can be used, but
at least one must be present.  (Could be *.* if you like.)

If anyone is interested, EMAIL me and I'll send you a uuencoded zip file
containing the program and source.

>hi all !
>Thanks for the responses -  I'll look in my turbo c stuff for grep.

>I wanted to look for key words in Word Perfect Files, not ascii. 
>(small clarification)

>If anyone has more thoughts I'd appriciate them.
>Thanks and Happy New Year

-- 
Joi Ellis                      msjle@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Student Residential Programs   Western Illinois University

Xref: sparky comp.sys.novell:11028 news.groups:25026
From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell,news.groups
Subject: Re: proposal to rename comp.sys.novell
Date: 3 Jan 93 14:18:02 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

In article <shephard.726037323@sfu.ca> shephard@fraser.sfu.ca (Gordon Shephard) writes:
>comp.os.netware:    Articles dealing with Netware as a whole, the product
>		    line, CNE/CNA certification, ...
>
>comp.os.netware.2x  Articles dealing with Netware version 2.15, 2.2, ...
>comp.os.netware.3x  Articles dealing with Netware version 3.1, 3.11, ...
>
>And is there room in this hierarchy for a
>comp.os.netware[.???].programmer? (E.G. comp.os.netware.2x.programmer,
>comp.os.netware.3x.programmer.  Or perhaps only comp.os.netware.programmer?)
>while the changes are being made?

The division is not between 3x and 2x but between "current system" and
"back-level system". I'd prefer to see comp.os.netware and comp.os.netware.old.
Perhaps we could set a timescale of 1 year of general availability of Netware
4.0 before 3x becomes "old"...  General questions about Netware could then go
into comp.os.netware without being version-specific.

comp.os.netware.programmer is probably enough. Surely the number of people
doing serious programming on 2x is tiny.

There perhaps ought to be a separate group for CNE issues. Some of us have no
interest in this area, especially those of us outside the US, I'd guess.
Also, how about comp.os.netware.mac and comp.os.netware.printing?  Again,
it probably isn't worth creating version-specific groups.

Nobody has suggested comp.protocols.netware, which is a sad reflection on the
'openness', or lack of it, as Netware as a true distributed system rather than
a magic set of PC programs.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: todd.strauch@med.umich.edu (Todd R Strauch)
Subject: NW4Mac and moving folders...
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 07:04:44 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Medical School
Followup-To: comp.sys.novell

Setup: NW 3.11 with NW4Mac 3.011

Simple question: Can anyone explain (Novell?) why, when a user moves a
folder from one location to another, all explicit rights are removed and
the folder is given inherited instead?  I currently spend a great deal of
time reestablishing the rights to folders for something that I consider to
be a bug.  I don't have a problem with users moving folders around and I
don't understand why NetWare should object either.  

Todd R. Strauch
University of Michigan Medical School
Ann Arbor, Michigan
todd.r.strauch@med.umich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: davel@xvt.com (Dave Locke)
Subject: Server Work Load 
Organization: XVT Software Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:26:24 GMT
X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message are those of an
	individual at XVT Software Inc., and do not necessarily
	reflect those of the company.

We are using Novell 3.11 on a 33Mhz Northgate.  Monitor reports:

    72,029,000 packets sent
     3,888,000 Tx Qued because adapter Txing
         3,475 No ECB
            15 Days uptime

Does this seem like a lot of traffic?  Tx Queued seems high, is it?
What is No ECB?  Should I worry about this?

Any help anyone can give would be appreciated.  Thanks in advanced

Dave Locke
davel@xvt.com


D
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: tt@thor.acc.Virginia.EDU (Tang Tang)
Subject: Re: Novell 3.11 as NFS Unix News Server
Reply-To: tt@virginia.edu
Organization: Academic Computing Center, University of Va.
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 15:46:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.202240.13973@novell.com>, keith@novell.com (Keith Brown) writes:
|> 
|> No. Lots of little files being open and closed rapidly and randomly may
|> cause some thrashing in the directory cache but I have serious doubts
|> that any single application could cause a problem here by itself. The
|> directory cache is optimised for loads that 250 DOS clients running
|> Windows off of the server might place on it. Handling a UNIX news
|> server should be a piece of cake.
|> 

  An Unix news tree have thousands of little files where Windows only 
have hundreds of files.  It seems to me that it'll stress the system 
more, not less!  

Tang