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From: geertj@ica.philips.nl (Geert Jan de Groot)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: JOTA
Date: 27 Sep 92 14:23:25 GMT
Organization: Philips Consumer Electronics, Eindhoven, The Netherlands


With JOTA coming up, it might be a nice idea to make a poll on what JOTA
does in different countries these days.

For instance, since a couple of years, it is allowed to have scouts behind
the microphone in Holland: a licensed ham builds the QSO (CQ, I, etc), and
then gives the microphone to the scout. At the end of the QSO, the ham
closes the QSO again. He checks the transmissions, helps and must stand
by during the whole QSO, but can leave the QSO itself to the people who
want to make them.

We have most success with FM on 2 meters. SSB just sounds too weird for most
scouts, and of course there is a language barrier (while all Dutch learn
English at school, actually using it is a different thing!)
The audio quality of FM makes QSO's that are enjoyable and easy to understand
for all (even then, we still use headphones exclusively to make the audio
better. really helps!)

JOTA seems to be enjoyed by all. Some scouts just use JOTA as an excuse
to build huge masts (of rope and wood, of course), while others find
using radio most enjoyable.

Soo.. as a preparation for this year's JOTA, let's start a discussion on:
 - Your experiences
 - What is allowed in other countries? I heard that some countries do not
   allow scouts behind the microphone at all. (actually, for some years
   the British only allowed QSO with other British or the colonies. It
   just happened that one of the scouts just moved from Britain to
   Holland two years ago; can you believe the pile-up we had?)
 - Ideas, hints?
 - Callsigns?

We will be operating using PA0KLS/J during the weekend. Hope to work you!

73, Geert Jan PE1HZG
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: biby@seas.gwu.edu (Rich Biby)
Subject: WANTRED: R2 METER REPEATER
Originator: biby@seas.gwu.edu
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 04:24:23 GMT

HOWDY! I'm with a group of hams who are tired of the "junk" we
call a repeater and want to get some real gear. Got anything?
How about some recommendations?

Thanks,
Rich
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From: regnad@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Paul Prescott)
Subject: Re: Telsa Coils
Organization: Department of Redundency Department
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 15:49:58 GMT


The truth is, there was always something about the 1/4 wavelength of the
secondary that I wasn't comfortable with.  When I first heard about it I
thought that it didn't really make sense.  But after hearing it being cited
time after time, as well as by Tesla himself, I decided to accept it.  One of
the more difficult aspects of the Tesla coil to fathom (for me) is that the
voltage available at the free end is greater than what would be predicted by
the turns ratio.  I chalked that up to the resonant nature of the system, and
that added support to the 1/4 wavelength concept.  I have also thought
about the fact that the resonance of a given length of wire in space should
not be the same as the same length of wire wound into a coil.  But a coil
also has a distrubuted capacitance, due to the adjacent turns being
more or less parallel.  I thought perhaps (without resorting to any
calculations) that some combination of L and C brought about by the physical
dimensions of the coil would make the 1/4 wavelength concept valid.
I guess I still need to look into the matter further, and this time pull
out my calculator.  :)

Paul Prescott
N1AAC
regnad@gnu.ai.mit.edu
From: paul@n3eop.pgh.pa.us (paul)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Icom Repair turnaround?
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:39:56 GMT
Organization: CrossRoads in Elizabeth, PA

weaverb@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Brian Weaver) writes:

> I just mailed my W2A off to Washington to have the top dial repaired.
> Which ever way you turned it, it went up in frequency.
> Does anyone know how long Icom usually takes to repair a radio?
> I'm trying to decide if I should talk one of my friends into
> loaning me one.. Thanks!

I've found a week or two is typical for them; some locals report next day 
shipping...
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: islej@acad2.alaska.edu
Subject: C64 CW practice prog?
Organization: University of Alaska
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:29:07 GMT

I am desperatly looking for a Commodore 64 Code practice program.
Where is a good place to get C64 Ham-Stuff?
Any help is GREATLY APPRECIATED!!
73's.
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|      (Alias Tinker)               _____  __O   Homer, Alaska-USA 99603 |
|                                   ____  -\<,   Voice #: (907) 235-6327 |
| InterNet: ISLEJ@Acad2.Alaska.Edu  ____ ( )( )  Data  #: (907) 235-6170 |
| Packet  : NL7XF@KL7AA.AK.USA.NA                Fax   #: (907) 235-2537 |
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: How good is TEN-TEC DELTA II ?
From: mohan@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Mohan Pakkurti)
Date: 5 Oct 92 10:05:38 EST

Hi,

Can someone give me info or opinions regarding the TEN-TEC DELTA II HF
transceiver?

Is $800 ok price to pay for a used DELTA II (one year old) ? Can I get a better
radio for the same price? 

Hope to hear soon :) Thanks

-- 
===============================================================================
+ Mohanakrishna Pakkurti            + mohan@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu           +
+ HOME: 2917 Kendale #204, Toledo OH 43606. Phone:(419)472-6936               +
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From: miles@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Miles Abernathy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Radio Wave Polarization
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:06:33 GMT
Organization: University of Texas
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d10
X-XXMessage-ID: <A6ECB27FD7029F31@mac39.util.utexas.edu>
X-XXDate: Mon, 28 Sep 92 13:00:47 GMT

What is the polarization of the signal from a 1/2-wave dipole antenna
configured in the shape of the letter L? Assume one leg of the L is
vertical, the other horizontal, and it is fed with balanced line.

The obvious (?) answer is that the signal is part horizontal and part
vertical, or is polarized at a 45 degree angle.

If the obvious answer is correct (and I do not know if it is or not),
then what is the signal polarization from a 1/4-wave ground plane or
vertical antenna fed with balanced line?

de Miles Abernathy, N5KOB
miles@emx.cc.utexas.edu
From: phantom@pro-haven.cts.com (Tiffany Keller)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Two word lists needed.
Date: 26 Sep 92 09:12:54 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/693-8262, 9600-300

Here it 'tis, Len.....

Navy:                                   ICAO:

A...Able                                A...Alpha
B...Boy                                 B...Bravo
C...Charlie                             C...Charlie
D...Dog                                 D...Delta
E...Easy                                E...Echo
F...Fox                                 F...Foxtrot
G...George                              G...Golf
H...How                                 H...Hotel
I...Item                                I...India
J...Jig                                 J...Juliet
K...King                                K...Kilo
L...Love                                L...Lima
M...Mike                                M...Mike
N...Nan                                 N...November
O...Oboe                                O...Oscar
P...Peter                               P...Papa
Q...Queen                               Q...Quebec
R...Roger                               R...Romeo
S...Sugar                               S...Sierra
T...Tare                                T...Tango
U...Uncle                               U...Uncle
V...Victor                              V...Victor
W...William                             W...Whiskey
X...X-ray                               X...X-ray
Y...Yoke                                Y...Yankee
Z...Zebra                               Z...Zulu

        The Source for this list (that *i* used...) is an old
Radiotelphone/Radiotelegraph Book....Dated 1952...
        Sorry...Gotta run now....Gotta go Upgrade!!! ;-)
        Later...73!
        
        T. Keller
----
Internet:  phantom@pro-haven.cts.com      Tiffany Bloxom
UUCP:      crash!pro-haven!phantom
From: U12566@uicvm.uic.edu (James F. Foerster)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RTTY and a PC
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:36:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92273.163634U12566
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

I am looking for info on how to hook up a PC and a receiver to
decode RTTY transmissions.  The equipment in question is
an IBM clone and a Drake R4C.

Thanks for any advice.
From: johnr@mik.uky.edu (john s roberts)
Subject: 12volt Marine Battery Use
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 19:44:29 GMT

I have an old marine battery that I was using for an audio application, but
the idea of using it with ham radio sounds great.  For the past few years
it has been sitting with a trickle charge.  The other day I turned off the
charger and used the audio piece that I had and the battery did not supply
any power.  I was wondering if there was anyway to jumpstart a battery.  I
have heard about putting old nicads in the freezer, but would this work for
a marine battery?  Hope this doesn't start something like the concrete 
discussion....

John

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  --==+  John S. Roberts, Jr.    Internet: johnr@mik.uky.edu (NeXT)  +==-- 
  --==+  Lexington, Kentucky        Other: mtbb136@ms.uky.edu        +==--
  --==+  Home: (606) 272-1417         Ham: pending 146.760-          +==--
  --==+  Work: (606) 257-6100         DoD: trying                    +==--
From: n9ljx@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Scott A Stembaugh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Do ARRL Read Thier Email ?
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:09:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


	I recently sent them an email asking about installing a radio in a GM
	vehicle. The note was passed on to the appropriate person (Ed Hare)
	and he sent me a package of info right away. Any time I have sent
	them mail it has been dealt with promptly. This has become a very
	valuable service. Good job Newington!

--sas
-- 
Scott Stembaugh - N9LJX           internet: n9ljx@ecn.purdue.edu
Operations Supervisor, ADPC       phone:    317 494 7946 
Purdue University
West Lafayette, IN 47907-1061
From: wejones@crdec7.apgea.army.mil (Bill Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re:  Satellite of the Month
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:18:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: crdec7.9210021111.aa19465
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

> 
> Earth Satellite UARS Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite (NORAD #21701,
> COSPAR 1991-063B) was launched from Space Shuttle Discovery (mission STS-48) 
> on September 15, 1991. It is measuring changes and ozone depletion in the 
>  
>....stuff deleted....  
>  
> UARS             9.8  4.6  0.0  4.4
> 1 21701U 91063  B 92263.22531901  .00002399  00000-0  20993-3 0  1817
> 2 21701  56.9852 187.4931 0005294  93.7738 266.3903 14.96349665 55730
>
These elements seem to be the same type of elements that used to be
available via ftp at nachos.ssesco.com rather than the elements 
distributed by Dr. Kelso.   Two questions:
1) These NORAD elements don't seem to be available at nachos anymore.  Has
the archive been moved to another site???  Yes, I know where to get the
Kelso elements, and I realize that most of the NORAD elements come from
Dr. Kelso, but it was nice to have two sources, and it was always interesting
to read the information about visually observing the sats at the end of
the element set.  I miss them, and the above post makes it look like they
may still be available.
2) What is the meaning of the numbers in the title line, ie
the  "  9.8 4.6 0.0 4.4  "   .  

 
Thanks in advance.    B.J.      N3JLQ
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: zateslo@geomag.gly.fsu.edu (Ted Zateslo)
Subject: D-subminiature history (was Re: Connector names)
Organization: Florida State University Geology Dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 13:36:29 GMT

The info on coax connector names and history has prompted me
to ask about the history of the D-subminiature connector.  I
had assumed these were born in the 60s until I noticed a picture
of one in a Cannon ad in the back of the 1957 ARRL Handbook
(love those ads).  What company invented them, and when?

Ted Zateslo, W1XO
zateslo@geomag.gly.fsu.edu


Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: garym@telesoft.com (Gary Morris @pulsar)
Subject: Re: 10M FM
Organization: TeleSoft, San Diego, CA, USA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:15:54 GMT

In <9209300450.AA00223@ucsd.edu> UWELTO@UNC.OIT.UNC.EDU (John Welton) writes:
>I'm also curious if Novice/Tech plus hams can operate FM from
>28.3 to 28.5.  It seems they have voice privledges here but
>I don't see where it specifies mode. 

Look at the table in 97.305(c), the entry for 28.3-28.5 has a note (10),
which is in 97.307(f) and says:

    (10) A station having a control operator holding a Novice or
    Technician Class operator license may only transmit a CW emission
    using the international Morse code or phone emissions J3E and R3E. 

Anyone have a table explaining what all the emission designators are?

--GaryM
-- 
Gary Morris KK6YB             Internet: garym@telesoft.com
TeleSoft                      Packet:   KK6YB@KC6NZN
San Diego, CA USA             Phone:    +1 619-457-2700 x128
From: saltzman@ISOVAX (Bob Saltzman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Kenwood TS-520 Price?
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:27:54 GMT
Reply-To: saltzman@ISOVAX
Organization: GE Corporate Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

In article <lchk69INN38t@west.west.sun.com>, flloyd@l1-a.West.Sun.COM (Fred Lloyd [Phoenix SE]) writes:
>In article <29SEP199209474930@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov> edjcb@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Jeff Brown) writes:
>>I'm trying to set a price for a TS-520 in good condition, with
>>manuals, cw filter, etc.  If you've bought or sold one recently,
>>what did it go for? Thanks...
>>
>>Jeff Brown WB2RUZ
>>edjcb@scivax.lerc.nasa.gov
>
>
>Standard price:  $350.00
>
>
>-fred
>
>-- 
>| Fred Lloyd  AA7BQ,  Systems Engineer          Fred.Lloyd@west.sun.com |
>| Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation                   ...sun!flloyd |
>| Phoenix, AZ    (If it's a fact, I believe it!)         (602) 275-4242 |

Just bought and sold one for $350.  Interestingly, TS520S does not
command any more $.  Seems that most important feature is CW filter.
==============================================================================
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Information System Operation        Snailnet: Bldg KW, Room C120, PO Box 8
General Electric Company            AT&Tnet:  518-387-5828(B), 387-6560(FAX),
Corporate Research and Development            370-2222(H)
Schenectady, New York 12301 USA     ICBMnet:  42 50 04 N, 73 54 14 W, Alt 246
AEMT-4 Paramedic/Firefighter        HAMnet:   WB2ARK
From: admitq@violet.berkeley.edu (Graduate Division-Admissions)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: What PC Software Recommended for Yaesu FT-767GX?
Date: 6 Oct 1992 19:01:40 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu
Originator: admitq@violet.berkeley.edu


...not even Yaesu's service/tech's could suggest one to use.
Ideas?
Is there a good one hanging out at an anonymous ftp site?
Your $00.02 would be appreciated, e-mailed to right here.
73,
Michael Dahl/KC6UFR
From: davros@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Buddy Brannan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Callsign situation...
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:04:39 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

Catching up here on news ... :-)

Someone here mentioned issuing the calls of silent keys again. Well, yeah, 
it would be rather a nifty thing to have a W5 call, but I don't know that I
like the idea of issuing calls of silent keys. It's a sentimental thing with
no basis in fact or logic, but that's me I guess. Now--issuing "dead" calls,
i.e. calls that were given up because of upgrades, calls that expired, and 
the like, I think are fair game. But leave the silent keys silent. 

Buddy, KB5ELV
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: fagundes@iastate.edu (Alex Fagundes)
Subject: WANTED: the new technician codeless license book.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:45:18 GMT

Hi,
  Would anyone like to sell me a used technician codeless book??
thanks...

p.s.  I'm interested in getting a ham license, but I haven't had the iniciative

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|  fagundes@iastate.edu  -          believer that AMIGA rules               | 
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: richard@sfu.ca (Richard Chycoski)
Subject: Re: Wanted: EPROM eraser (or kit)
Reply-To: richard@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 06:06:06 GMT

In article <717712154.91@mailbox.bison.mb> Jim.Harvey@mailbox.bison.mb.ca (Jim  
Harvey) writes:
> Organization: Michigan Information eXchange
> 
> 
> I made a fine eraser with a small flourescent fixture (from a phone booth, 
> don't ask) and a special florescent bulb.  You have to get a "Germicidal"  
bulb 
> such as is sometimes used in barbor shops to irradiate their tools.  These 
> have no coating, look like a clear glass tube and glow with a light blue 
> discharge that hurts your eyes.  The "Black Light" ultraviolet bulbs are 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> filtered to eliminate all the short wave lengths and WON'T WORK.  My 
> germicidal bulb cleans off an EPROM in less than two minutes.

That discharge "hurts your eyes" because it is dangerous, short wave  
ultraviolet radiation!

I too use a germicidal chamber lamp (18" flourescent tube with no coating)  
obtained from the local G.E. supplier. I do *not* use it where I can see it,  
you can cause major eye damage that way! Put it in a light-proof box (along  
with the EPROMs). Place the EPROMS about two inches away from the tube, and  
make sure that they are in conductive foam or have the pins shorted in some  
other fashion. (I didn't know about shorting the pins until a friend from a  
local electronic research firm pointed it out - EPROMs don't last through as  
many cycles if you erase them without shorting their pins together.)

The germicidal lamp was a lot cheaper than most EPROM erasers, and an 18" lamp  
can handle bulk erasing quite easily!

- Richard Chycoski, VE7CVS
  Simon Fraser University
  richard@sfu.ca
From: wejones@crdec7.apgea.army.mil (Bill Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: help with 70 cm helical antenna
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:35:46 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu


  I just finished building one of those 8-turn helical antennas described in 
the ARRL antenna book, with hopes of using it on Oscar-21.  The antenna looks
really nice but a quick scan of SWRs looks like a sine wave with at least 
four low points of 1.7 (at about 6 MHz intervals) and maxima of about 2.8.  
I assume that I could improve the SWR by varying the spacing of the first 
1/2 turn a bit (although I made it more difficult for myself by gluing them to 
the 1/4" recommended spacing), but the big puzzle is that the antenna doesn't 
seem to be very directional, ie it seems to work as well from behind and from 
the side as it does in front.  I thought that perhaps the loops were not all 
the same length, and went back and re-measured them.  Some of them were 
different from the others so I carefully made them as close to identical as I 
could.  If anything, I made it worse.  The only deviations I made from the
plans was to use an SO239 instead of an N-connector, I left an extra 
spiral on the top, in case I had to increase the radius, and I used
14 guage wire ties to tie the spirals to the support dowels instead of 22 ga.
Any ideas of where I went wrong? The antenna is behaving like I am way off
on the dimensions.
Thanks in advance.  B.J.   N3JLQ
From: schuster@panix.com (Michael Schuster)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: LOCATION: Location of Amateur Radio Store -- NYC, NY
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:13:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1a7r28INN8ft@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> darrin@mit.edu <Darrin Robinson> writes:
>
>Anyone who could E-Mail me the locations of Amateur Radio Stores in
>the Manhattan (Mid-Town) area of NYC, please let me know!  I'm going
>there this weekend, and need to buy some "candy."


There's only one amateur/sw dealer in New York City, period.
It's Barry Electronics, located at 512 Broadway near Canal Street.
Home of almost-higher-than-list prices, and the most obnoxious
collection of arrogant know-nothings ever assembled behind a
sales counter.


-- 
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The Portal (R) System: schuster@cup.portal.com   | MCI Mail,GEnie: MSCHUSTER
From: MOSIER@iris.uncg.EDU (Steve Mosier)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Batteries on concrete
Date: 1 Oct 92 11:50:10 GMT
Organization: University of NC at Greensboro
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

Ah, good.  I was afraid this thread had died...

> ;Now the question ... When not mobile, I store the deep cycle batteries
> ;in my son's little red wagon. When I use them again, I find that the 
> ;voltage ( and hence capacity I think ) is a little lower. My question
> ;is "Am I still safe in a wagon ( with rubber wheels ) even though the
> ;the wagon wheels are on the concrete floor " ?
> ; 

The wagon wheels are the source of your problem, because of the enhanced 
leakage potential at the interface of a circular surface on the flat floor 
(automobiles don't have this problem due to the potential de-ionizer plate 
that is in all cars today).  The easiest way to solve your problem, and still
use your wagon, is to place 4 pieces of oil-soaked cardboard under the wheels. 
That should do it.

steve - W3GRG
From: jkeller@pica.army.mil (Jerome Keller, PPD)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: DX Windows
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:36:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: COR5.9210050923.aa10478
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

Some(that I cannot recall ever seeing here) would be a list of the
DX "windows" for each band, for CW and also for SSB. I could use it, and
I'll bet there's others too. In anticipation, THANKS !!

73 de K1MER
From: dube@cpdvax.CSc.ti.COM
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Antenna in a tree???
Date: 6 Oct 1992 07:34:28 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

My G5RV is strung between a pine tree and a cottonwood, about 12 or so feet up.
It works great.  I don't see how sap, etc in a tree trunk would affect an 
antenna UNLESS you don't use insulators on the ends and just tie the active
portion around the trunk.  

My installation uses insulators on the ends, to which are tied lengths of 
rope.  I attached pulleys to the tree trunks with short sections of wire, and
ran the ropes through the pulleys, tying weights to the free ends of the
ropes.  The weights maintain tension on the antenna, yet prohibit the sway
of the trees from over-tensioning, and breaking, it.

The only other precaution I use is to trim the limbs back so the leaves
don't touch the radiating portions of the antenna.

73,
Dube Todd              AB5AP          <dube@cpdvax.csc.ti.com>