HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: GEORGE WILL: Bush should leave
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:34:40 GMT

In article <Bs9AqC.FDy@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>In article <Bs9816.4n5@wpi.WPI.EDU> padutton@wpi.WPI.EDU (Peter Alan Dutton) writes:
>>
>>Using one's own grandchildren as bait? Now that doesn't sound like good
>>family values to me!
>
>
>  Hold it, the posting didn't say they were HIS grandchildren, 
>  just "grandchildren" (somebody's).   This explains why there's
>  a lot more kids starting off on those White House lawn Easter
>  Egg hunts than come back from them.   Really, this could could
>  be bigger than Watergate, Iran-Contra, etc.  And in an election
>  year!  

I _knew_ it!  Bush is actually dead, and is animated by a Lovecraftian
Great Old One.  Just like from _The Horror of Red Hook_!



Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.marrou,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.theory
From: mlee@esd.dl.nec.com (Michael Lee)
Subject: Re: I'm still a republican, but not a happy one
Organization: NEC America, Engineering & Support
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:45:30 GMT

From article <16834899D.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu>, by MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman):
>  
>>If it is taxes, spending, and the economy you are concerned with, the
>>only message you will send by voting for Bush or Clinton is "more!
>>more! hit me again!".  If you wanter _lower_ taxes, _lower_ spending,
>>if you want an economy unburdened from excess regulation, if you want
>>productive industries infused with new money and resources, send a
>>_strong_ message:
>>
>>Vote Libertarian!
>>
> I'd like to, but (1) I'm not convinced that Marrou is any less a bozo,
> much as I admire Libertarian philosophy. And practically speaking, a
> vote for Marrou is a vote for Clinton. He can do more damage to the
> economy in 4 years than we can reasonably undo in 8. I'd rather try
> to make the Republican party more libertarian in its philosophy..or
> even make the Democrats more so.
>          --mike

The best way to make the Reps and Dems more Libertarian is to vote for
Libertarians.  As more of us do that, they will lose more elections, then
they will listen to us, read our literature, and borrow ideas from our
candidates and platform.

That is how the Socialists got almost every one of their ideas passed
into law.

The Socialists elected only a few candidates, but they shifted the balance
of power so the Democrats and Republicans had to steal the Socialist
platform.

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to the wealth of the rich.  It is seldom stated (but equally true)
that the rich have no right to the wealth of the poor.
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a large government which promotes evil at my expense.
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.marrou,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.theory
From: mlee@esd.dl.nec.com (Michael Lee)
Subject: Re: I'm still a republican, but not a happy one
Organization: NEC America, Engineering & Support
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:02:11 GMT

From article <1992Jul31.171841.16777@oakhill.sps.mot.com>, by dong@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Don M. Gibson):
> mlee@esd.dl.nec.com (Michael Lee) writes:
> 
>>The best way to make the Reps and Dems more Libertarian is to vote for
>>Libertarians.  As more of us do that, they will lose more elections, then
>>they will listen to us, read our literature, and borrow ideas from our
>>candidates and platform.
> 
> did i miss something?  have the repubs and dems been losing elections?
> have the libertarians been winning any?

Libertarians have elected about 200 different office holders.
About 100 are holding office now.
Most are in local offices like:

City Council
County Commissioner
School Board
State Representative

Most are in California, New Hampshire, and Utah.  We have 4 in Texas.
The fourth was just elected last month to the Seguin Independent School
Board (near San Antonio).

>>That is how the Socialists got almost every one of their ideas passed
>>into law.
> 
> does this mean we are now a socialist country?  did i miss that too?

Socialists were mostly elected to those offices listed above and scared
mostly Dems (some Reps) into taking the Socialist position - at least enough
to win the election.  The Reps and Dems passed most of what the Socialist
wanted at that time.  That took some of the steam out of the Socialist Party.
Of course, Socialists of today have new goals and want more now.



-------------------------------------------------------------------
It is often stated (and certainly true) that the poor have no right
to the wealth of the rich.  It is seldom stated (but equally true)
that the rich have no right to the wealth of the poor.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
I prefer a small government which may permit some evil to
a large government which promotes evil at my expense.
---------------------------------------------------------

Michael Lee
mlee@esd.dl.nec.com
214-518-3807
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,comp.sys.dec
From: dong@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Don M. Gibson)
Subject: Re: DEC deal with Bush
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:46:44 GMT

tw1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tse-Sung Wu) writes:

>NOTE CROSS-POSTINGS--

>I am not interested in a flame or even mildly heated debate about the
>candidates.  I just have a rumor that I'd like to know if anyone could
>confirm or deny.  I haven't seen anything posted on the net.  If I
>missed something, please forgive the rehashing.

>The daughter of a classmate of mine works at DEC somewhere and said that
>it is common knowledge among DEC employees (the story is purportedly
>floating about on DEC's email net) that a huge (30,000? employee) layoff
>has been _postponed_ until after the election at the request of
>President Bush.  And that the latter offered DEC hefty contracts in
>return for the postponement.

>Is this just a rumor, 'cause I haven't seen anything about this in the
>papers.  Not interested in flames, just want to know if this is just a
>rumor.


supporting info:  DEC fouth quarter loss for '91 was $1.8Bil.  The
news said DEC had the lowest revenue/employee ratio in the computer
biz. and that cost (employee) cutting measures were immenant.
Xref: sparky alt.politics.bush:248 alt.politics.clinton:767 comp.sys.dec:4195
From: dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: DEC deal with Bush
Date: 25 Jul 92 15:37:37 GMT
Organization: Panix, (New Yawk City)

In <8gjms!n.jimb47@netcom.com> jimb47@netcom.com (Jim Budler) writes:
>Personally, I doubt there was any deal. But with Ken Olson's step down
>dated October 1, I doubt his replacement will have his plan in place
>before the first Tuesday in November, whatever the plan.
>Effectively this has the result such a deal would have created.
>I wouldn't call it a deal, I'd call it an influential supporter trying
>to minimize the effect his personal problems have on the public issue.
>Jim Budler

	I disagree.  Several things have appeared simultaneously after
years of speculation of who the 'heir-apparent' would be.  For years,
incidentally, nobody as well would have thought it'd happen THIS way.
OLSEN is forced out by a Board of Directors because he (this is my
speculations folks) refuses to agree to massive cuts in a staff that
he has built up since he founded the company 35 years ago.  A couple
days after the announcement of Olsens leaving DEC announces a quarterly
loss of nearly $2 billion, which includes it seems a restructuring
charge of $1.5 billion.  THAT kind of restructuring charge (like when
MY company did it) reflects salaries and pensions paid to people who
are terminated, severence pay, early retirements, etc.  Now then.
Robert B Palmer, the board chosen new head of Digital Inc, has only
been with DEC since 1986.  I quote from last saturdays NYTimes article
on Palmer "Mr Palmer has overseen drastic cutbacks in manufacturing,
reducing annual expenses by several hundred million dollars and has
been responsible for making 70 percent of the company's cuts of 20,000
employees in the ast two years."  Until now Palmer was in charge of
the semiconductor/manufacturing end of the business.  MY contention
is that he is going to start making more drastic changes in the
organization and slashing costs immediately.  Ken won't be retired
until later this year but Palmer will be given the mantle as soon as
possible by the board, I figure.  If they hold off on making any major
cuts until after the election it'll cost a couple hundred million.
-- 
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* PO Box 3131 Church St Station, New Yawk, New Yawk, 10008-3131 (usa) *
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Xref: sparky alt.politics.bush:142 alt.fan.dan-quayle:2020
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: Pro-choice VP?
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:51:11 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.bush
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1992Jul23.183222.16991@infonode.ingr.com> dianne@dianne.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Dianne Ferrans ) writes:

>Quayle: 'D and C' Precludes Need for Abortion

>Byline:   Kent Jenkins Jr.
>          Washington Post Staff Writer

>         In the past two weeks, Quayle has stuck by his "pro-life"
>      position under tough questioning. He told a young reporter
>      for the "Children's Express" television show that he would
>      not recommend she get an abortion if she were the victim of
>      incest. And at a Missouri high school, Quayle said that if
>      his wife, Marilyn, were raped and became pregnant, he would
>      advise her to carry the child.



Another reason to dump Quayle!


Gregg
Xref: sparky alt.politics.bush:313 alt.politics.clinton:950 alt.politics.perot:1121 talk.politics.misc:36314
From: jsalmi@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (John Salmi)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Thoughts on '92
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:52:59 GMT
Organization: US West Information Technologies

In article <16831BB14.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu> MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:
>>
>Does anyone really doubt that Clinton won over Tsongas because he was simply
>more attractive and doesn't sound like Elmer Fudd? There were no issues
>discussed in the primary. There were no debates. It was all image.
> 

isn't that a sad state of affairs?  the political (political? sheesh) structure
in this country really makes me sick.  

	-john
Xref: sparky alt.politics.bush:275 alt.politics.clinton:827 misc.test:8965 alt.flame:11386
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,misc.test,alt.flame
Subject: Re: AIDS and those damn democrats
Date: 26 Jul 92 20:34:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Jul26.203430.14686
Organization: Western Washington University

poser@vxdsyc.desy.de (Till Poser) writes:
>But, You see, twerp, 75% of the the new infections of this year are HIV 
>contracted by heterosexual intercourse, 15% IV-abusers, and only whopping
>10% homosexuals. Seems as if the male homosexuals have already learned that
>lesson, doesn't it? Seems as if it were the hetero component who are busily
>spreading the joy?

	Those stats are not for the U.S.  Those figures are dominated by
infections in Third World countries where anal sex is used as a form of 
birth control.  Anal sex is the primary route of transmition even in the
stats you use.  In the U.S., the majority of new infections are still con-
tracted by male homosexuals.   If you want to give some more info on your
stats, please do.

Jim Del Vecchio
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.bizarre
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: BUSH
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:07:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.043139.6865@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> bur@ultisol.gsfc.nasa.gov (MAC) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.030923.12610@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>>
>>If you don't want follow-ups in talk.bizarre, seems to me you
>>shouldn't reply to it from there.
>>
>
>
>If you don't want your head in your ass, like it has been, take it out.
>

Sorry, but that was the only way I could establish the proper frame of
mind for talking to the likes of you.

-- 
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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Xref: sparky alt.politics.bush:334 alt.politics.clinton:1005 alt.politics.perot:1129 talk.politics.misc:36415
From: hulsej@lclark.edu (Jose Hulse)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Thoughts on '92
Date: 29 Jul 92 03:30:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

To continue this thread...

[lots of stuff about how Tsongas, on a roundtable discussion
program with other Democratic candidates, sounded like Elmer Fudd but more
authoritative deleted]

Well, all I can say is that when I watched that program back in January or
February, I thought that although both Clinton and Tsongas sounded like their
positions had some depth, Tsongas not ONLY sounded like Elmer Fudd, but
had a certain air of arrogance toward the other candidates, AND displayed
a truly annoying tendency to snap at the others.

On top of all that, I got the (perhaps mistaken) impression that his plan
for the economy was basically "cut capital gains taxes, increase taxes on
the middle class, cut spending drastically."  Sounded like Reaganomics with
even more taxes for the middle class, with a more liberal social agenda.
While I have no problem with the latter, the former sounds like a bonanza
for the wealthy and serious depression for the rest of the country.

Once it became clear that the only viable Democrats were Clinton and Tsongas,
the choice for me was obvious.  I had seen the Clinton spot on 60 minutes, 
and Hillary and Bill's manner was honest and forthcoming:  I admired that
they showed their guts without spilling them.  Now that I know more about
Clinton's policy positions I'm even more enthusiastic.  Tsongas was always
(in my view) unelectable--not only did he sound like Elmer Fudd, but he
came across as snobby and unwilling to work with others.  Believe me, if
the Demo voters had been stupid enough to nominate Tsongas, we wouldn't be
seeing a lead in the polls of nearly 30%--we'd be lucky to see 10, and that
only because Bush is currently so unpopular.  With Tsongas, we could also
look forward to a humiliating Republican landslide in November, akin to
1972.

Thank God Clinton is our candidate. And Gore's great for VP!
He's got what it takes.
My $.05 (inflation).
-Jose'
-- 
_______________________________________________
Jose' Hulse  hulsej@lclark.edu | hulsej@agora.rain.com
Clinton/Gore in '92! Put People First!
Bush/Quayl--Just say noe!
Xref: sparky alt.politics.bush:116 alt.politics.clinton:463 alt.politics.perot:1050 talk.politics.misc:35566
From: lee@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Greg Lee)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Thoughts on '92
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:17:45 GMT
Organization: University of Hawaii

In article <1992Jul22.125845.16877@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu> frederic@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (Brian Frederick) writes:
}
}  I used to have hope.  I used to think that the American people 
}could see through the BS when it really mattered, that when the 
}situation got bad enough, they would do the right thing.  
}...

Oh, we see through it ok.  But a tax increase would be money
out of our pockets, and that's what matters.  All these appeals
we hear about what sort of economy and world our children will
inherit are just misplaced.  We couldn't care less about our children.
Isn't it silly, e.g., to talk about full funding of Head Start as an
"investment in people"?  By the time those kids enter the work
force and can affect the economy, I'll probably be dead.  I want
my middle-class tax cut of $120 _next year_ (but I'm hoping Bush
will promise me something even better).

You just don't understand the American people; that's _your_
problem.

--
Greg Lee <lee@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu>
Xref: sparky alt.politics.bush:399 alt.politics.clinton:1160 comp.sys.dec:4300
From: frank@croton.nyo.dec.com (Frank Wortner)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: DEC deal with Bush
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:49:09 GMT
Reply-To: frank@nyo.dec.com
Followup-To: alt.politics.bush
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


UTTER NONSENSE.

Besides, Clinton's gonna win anyway.  ;-)

					Frank
Xref: sparky alt.politics.bush:303 alt.politics.clinton:916 alt.politics.perot:1116 talk.politics.misc:36190
From: mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Thoughts on '92
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:24:38 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gelato.mips.com

In article <16831BB14.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu>, MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:
|> >>The only reason that Clinton won out over Tsongas is that he was willing
|> >>to put his campaign in deeper debt than Tsongas was.
|> >
|> Does anyone really doubt that Clinton won over Tsongas because he was simply
|> more attractive and doesn't sound like Elmer Fudd? There were no issues
|> discussed in the primary. There were no debates. It was all image.
|>  
You must have been watching a different primary.  Maybe you weren't
listening to the candidates but were just paying attention to the
newspapers and 11:00 news.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: jlinder@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey S Linder)
Subject: Re: Oh, Danny Boy
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:15:43 GMT

>| *  P-O-T-A-T-O-E.                                                        |
>|       -- June 1992                                                       |

None of the reporters present was able to tell that Quayle misspelled
potato (from a que card given to him) until the young man he corrected
told the reporters that the card was wrong.  I guess that's why journalists
have copy editors.


Jeff.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,comp.sys.dec
From: jlw@world.std.com (James L Walker)
Subject: Re: DEC deal with Bush
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:10:47 GMT

In article <QePQTee00WBOQ4jBQU@andrew.cmu.edu> tw1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tse-Sung Wu) writes:
>NOTE CROSS-POSTINGS--
>
>I am not interested in a flame or even mildly heated debate about the
>candidates.  I just have a rumor that I'd like to know if anyone could
>confirm or deny.  I haven't seen anything posted on the net.  If I
>missed something, please forgive the rehashing.
>
>The daughter of a classmate of mine works at DEC somewhere and said that
>it is common knowledge among DEC employees (the story is purportedly
>floating about on DEC's email net) that a huge (30,000? employee) layoff
>has been _postponed_ until after the election at the request of
>President Bush.  And that the latter offered DEC hefty contracts in
>return for the postponement.
>
>Is this just a rumor, 'cause I haven't seen anything about this in the
>papers.  Not interested in flames, just want to know if this is just a
>rumor.
>
>Tse-Sung

Yea right... like anyone's going to confirm this.  Who would Bush make
a deal with anyway?  KO is gone because he didn't like laying people
off (can't say I blame him) so it figures that we'll see some big
layoffs coming up.  When your losses get into the billions you gotta do
something.  Perhaps someone from DEC would post a list of past enet
rumors, it would help us put this one into perspective.

-- Les Walker
-- :-) :-) :-) :-) <-- sprinkle liberally
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.flame
From: bur@ultisol.gsfc.nasa.gov (MAC)
Subject: Re: BUSH
Organization: Yes.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 04:31:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.030923.12610@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>
>If you don't want follow-ups in talk.bizarre, seems to me you
>shouldn't reply to it from there.
>


If you don't want your head in your ass, like it has been, take it out.

Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.marrou,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.theory
From: mlee@esd.dl.nec.com (Michael Lee)
Subject: Re: I'm still a republican, but not a happy one
Organization: NEC America, Engineering & Support
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:49:13 GMT

From article <MATT.92Jul31114202@physics.berkeley.edu>, by matt@physics.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern):
> In article <1992Jul31.181856.29360@mcs.anl.gov> shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer) writes:
> 
>> >>That is how the Socialists got almost every one of their ideas passed
>> >>into law.
>> >
>> >does this mean we are now a socialist country?  did i miss that too?
>> 
>> Apparently you did.
> 
> Neat!  I'll have to tell my socialist friends that they can quit
> political activism and go home.  I'm sure they'll be really thrilled
> to find out that we already live in the kind of country that they have
> been unsuccessfully fighting for for so long.

The Socialists of the 1930s and 1940s got the major part of their platform
enacted into law then.
They probably have a new platform with additional goals now.



-------------------------------------------------------------------
It is often stated (and certainly true) that the poor have no right
to the wealth of the rich.  It is seldom stated (but equally true)
that the rich have no right to the wealth of the poor.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
I prefer a small government which may permit some evil to
a large government which promotes evil at my expense.
---------------------------------------------------------

Michael Lee
mlee@esd.dl.nec.com
214-518-3807
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
From: michaels@m2xenix.psg.com (Michael Sandy)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on '92
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 06:51:04 GMT


My heart bleeds for Tsongas.  His ideas are being touted by everybody
to some degree, including Perot who supports the gas tax.  Tsongas can
have the warm feeling in his heart of having changed American politics
for the better, and he can now relax with his family and grant interviews
without watching his every phrase.

Tsongas left with great respect, neither Brown, Perot, nor Buchanan left
with much respect from the press or their opposition, or even their own
supporters in some cases.


-- 
Michael Sandy
michaels@m2xenix.psg.com

Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,comp.sys.dec