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From: e-sink@uiuc.edu (Eric W. Sink)
Subject: Dumb question about manual transmission driving
Originator: sink@sunb2.cs.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: e-sink@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:43:18 GMT

What's the proper way to make a routine stop in a stick-shift car ?
Say you're in 5th, exiting off the Interstate onto a country road.
At the end of the ramp is a stop sign.  Obviously, when you enter
the ramp, you're doing 55-65 ish.

I've been told that you should always down-shift into another gear
to slow the car down.  The rationale for this is supposedly to
save your brakes.

What I like to do is just put the car in neutral and coast to the
stop sign, hitting the brakes as needed.  The complaint about this
is that when the car is in neutral, I can't react and accelerate
in an emergency.

First of all, I see no logic at all in placing the wear and tear
for stopping the car on the transmission.  Compared to transmission
service, brake shoes are really cheap, and besides, stopping or
slowing the car is NOT what the transmission is designed to do.

Is there any reason not to coast in neutral ?  Just seems like a
win-win to me.  You save gas, and you get a nice smooth ride! :-)

-- 
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Box 9005, Champaign, IL       | started out as a half hour hack has been
61826-9005 1-800-USA-CERLx449 | bothering me for two weeks now." -- Matt Mora
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (K. Khan)
Subject: Re: Sam Kinnison/seat belts
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:12:47 GMT


In article <Apr.15.13.20.18.1992.20535@aramis.rutgers.edu> rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart) writes:
>In article <34281@unix.SRI.COM> cole@unix.SRI.COM (Susan Cole) writes:
>
>> It's been mentioned several times that Sam Kinnison was not wearing
>> a seat belt when he was involved in his fatal accident, and that
>> he was thrown into the windshield.  Does anyone know how seriously
>> his wife was hurt and whether she was wearing a seat belt?  Just
>> curious.
>
>I heard on the news last night that Sam's wife was in serious
>condition, but was expected to pull thru. Didn't hear whether she was
>wearing a belt or not.

According to Steve Dahl, Chicago DJ and personal friend of Sam's, Sam
was not wearing his belt but his wife was. Also mentioned was the
possibility that Sam survived the initial collision, and removed
himself from the vehicle. He died later (at the hospital?)

BTW, for those within range of WLUP AM 1000 in Chicago, this coming
Saturday between 2 and 6 p.m. "The Best of Steve and Gary" will be
replaying all of Sam Kinison's appearances on the S&G show. All Sam fans
will definitely want to tune in and turn on the tape decks.


Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: gajewski@ug.cs.dal.ca (Andy)
Subject: Re: Slick-50 Motor treatment/oil
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: dal
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 14:34:19 GMT

In <10APR199215073884@rosie.uh.edu> disc5e6@rosie.uh.edu (92S00302) writes:

>In article <1992Apr6.035058.24141@wuecl.wustl.edu>, c31002wb@jezebel.wustl.edu (WILLIAM) writes...
>> 
>>I've been hearing and seeing alot lately about this "Slick-50" motor treatment.
>>They claim that it's not a motor oil but more of an engine protector.  
>>I was wondering what the various net opinions are about this product.  Has 
>>anyone used it?  Did it help?  Could it potentially harm the engine?  I've
>>heard it's rather expensive ($50+), is that true?
>> 
>>Thanks in advance,
>>-william
>> 
>>                           ||   A truely wise man does not play leapfrog     || 
>>William E. Burris          ||	          with a unicorn                     || 
>>c31002wb@jezebel.wustl.edu ||                           -???                 ||
>>                           ||  Looks like blind screaming Hedonism won out   || 



>      I saw an ad at K-mart in the paper today for slick-50
>it was only $20 for a bottle.  Not cheap but probably worth it.

$30 up here at Canadian Tire.
ANdy
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From: CWL103@psuvm.psu.edu (Chad.....)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Hi-performance driving school
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:49:33 GMT
Organization: HAM - Hackers Against MUDs
X-Subliminal-Message: IBM/370 assembler is your friend.

I would be much appreciated if someone out there could tell me of a high perfor
mance driving school in the Pittsburgh, PA area.   Any info would be appreciate
d    Thanx in advance............
Chad.
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From: rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: brain damaged drivers
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:49:59 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <84244@bu.edu> nicos@csa.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos) writes:

> In article <Apr.16.15.07.11.1992.26078@aramis.rutgers.edu> rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart) writes:
> >fyi, at all circles still in existence in NJ, everybody has the right
> >of way when entering and proceeding around a circle, according to a
> >police officer I spoke to after being in an accident in a circle.
> >Mark
> It is not very clear to me what the cop told you. Could you please
> explain?
> Terms that give me trouble: "everybody" and  "when entering AND proceeding"


In other words, it's every man for himself when entering the circle
and while in the circle. If you have an accident in a circle in NJ,
no one gets blamed for failure to yield right of way. 




Mark
Xref: sparky rec.autos.driving:2417 rec.motorcycles:13323 rec.bicycles:9504
From: ps3p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Peter A. Simon)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles,rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: A new clipless pedal i saw at the local bikeshop
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:32:02 GMT
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>These pedal clips could make all the acceleration difference on those
>pesky Probes I always have to beat off the line.  Maybe with them the
>drivers could keep up...
>	Jonathan (MR2s rule) Drout

I DONT CARE!!!!!

Listen, Jonathon, would you plese go back to rec.bicycles where you belong?

Thank you.

Peter



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From: neilw@informix.com (Neil Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: brain damaged drivers
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:38:46 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Apr14.010436.7343@citec.oz.au> sgccmjw@citec.oz.au (Mark Wilton 23313) writes:
>I was just wondering why there are so many BAD drivers in Queensland
>they seem to do really illogical things like
>
>2) people drive faster in the wet
>   Once at night i was driving on the freeway in the rain i was in the
>  fast lane (thats on the right in AUZ) doing 100Km/h (the limit)
>   when really i should have been doing less due to the conditions
>  there was no other traffic except for this bike who was behind me
>   eventually he came round on the left and did a couple of sentences
>   worth of obscene gestures to me and then sped off like a mad man

Maybe the biker was pissed at brain damaged drivers that
cruise in the fast/passing lane when there's no other traffic?

--Neil
From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Slick-50 Motor treatment/oil
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:11:53 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada

In <1992Apr13.185422.20177@qualcomm.com> ganapath@tahoe.qualcomm.com (Chinnappa Ganapathy) writes:

>Wouldn't it circulate the next time you drove the car?  I don't see the
>problem here.

Slick-50 is supposed to *coat* the moving parts of your engine with a thin
layer of PTFE (the slippery ingredient). The instructions say that the coating
process start when S-50 is circulated inside the engine. As the S-50 gets in
contact with the moving parts, it forms the coat and hardens. I recall the heat
of the engine has something to do with the hardening. I guess the coating gets
"baked".

Anyway, if you just pour S-50 down the oil pan without giving it a chance to
circulate and coat the moving parts, you're basically letting S-50 settle in
the pan to dry and coat there instead of the engine.
Xref: sparky rec.autos.driving:2463 rec.autos:11553
From: markju@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Mark Juenemann)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,rec.autos
Subject: Re: IRD?...Infra-Red-Detector?
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:43:58 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos.driving
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

How about some sort of flare launching device like the fighter jets had
for defense against heat seeking missiles?	

MJ    8-)
From: gajewski@ug.cs.dal.ca (Andy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Rolling a Civic..
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:40:37 GMT
Distribution: dal
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

In <1436@tivoli.UUCP> aqn@tivoli.UUCP (Andy Nguyen) writes:

>pauly@netcom.com (Paul Yoshimune) writes:
>+  Other cars, like Rabbits, are more
>+prone to rolling the car.  In fact, you often see Rabbits, GTIs, and 2002s
>+lifting the inner rear wheel when cornering excessively hard...

>welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:
>+`excessively hard'?
>+
>+lifting inside wheels can happen when you are at the limit; i've lifted
>+the inside _front_ on my Alfa sedan on occasion at lime rock.  lifting inside
>+rears is commonly seen at autocrosses on VW Rabbits and GTIs of various
>+sorts; in fact, i'd argue that all the really fast drivers of these
>+cars in stock form lift the inside rears if they are at all competitive.

>  In fact, _I_'d argue that _all_ racers in stock Rabbit GTI's of all
>  vintages lift their inside rear wheel, even the not-so-fast racers.
>  And not at the limit neither.
>  
>  I have been beaten by almost a second by my brother in an identical
>  Rabbit GTI on the same autocross course, all the while waving my inside
>  rear wheel in the air, _looking_ mighty fast!
>  (Alright, so his GTI was red;  everybody knows red cars goes faster!  |-)
>  The guy that I beat by 1/2 a sec (he was in an identical GTI) was also
>  wagging his inside rear wheel in the air, looking mighty fast!
>-- 
>Andy Nguyen / Team Paranoid
>(212) 267-7722				...!uunet!tivoli!aqn  OR  aqn@tivoli.com


I slalom a GTI, I also lift my wheel, and I TOO, look mighty fast....
BUT all those darn Acura's and Civic's keep on beating meI do beat a 
Scirocco that also raises the tire and he looks mighty fast. 
BUT I'm faster... :)i]

ANdy
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From: ddpbbb@nerd.ease.arco.com (Bob Benson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Covert radar gun under development.
Keywords: auto,radar
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:09:00 GMT
Reply-To: bbenson@arco.com
Organization: ARCO EP&T IT R&D


In article <1992Apr14.174255.8513@linus.mitre.org>, ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) writes:
|> at a ham newsletter (sorry, but I didn't write down the name). One
|> small article concerned a radar gun manufacturer who was seeking FCC
|> permission to develop (and presumably sell) a spread-spectrum radar
|> gun.
|> 

Sounds like The Stalker, made by Applied Concepts, Richardson, TX. They
had to get special FCC dispensation to go multi-frequency up in the
Ka wideband. Been around a little over a year here, but more in
beta-testing than in real use - partly because of price. Last we
knew, the frequency was set/changed manually - but that was a year or
so ago and A.C. *was* saying that an auto-hop rig was in the works.
Not saying what change algorithm they were planning...

-- 
Bob Benson                                  bbenson@arco.com
Ralliest & Generally Strange Person         214-754-6734
Driving along, doing the speed limit.
Not the one on some silly b'crat's sign. The road's limit.
From: geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: brain damaged drivers
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:43:01 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos.driving
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Menlo Park, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: purplehaze.corp.sun.com



Someone (attribution removed by an earlier poster) wrote:

>> If it was possible for someone to pass you in one of the slow (outside)
>> lanes, you were obviously in the wrong.  Nothing is more anoying than
>> someone who pulls onto a highway, immediately moves over to one of the
>> inside lanes and just sets the cruise control.  What a no-brainer.
>> It is also much more dangerous to force others to pass in the slower
>> lanes.

While I agree wholeheartedly that it's annoying as hell when people use
the fast lane as their default and automatically move there when they
get onto the freeway, I wouldn't go so far as to say unequivocally that
it's more dangerous to pass on the right than it is on the left -- in the 
United States, that is.

Ideally, passing should only be done on the left, because theoretically
at least, that's the convention.  In Europe, passing on the right is 
dangerous simply because there is a much higher adherence to convention,
so other drivers don't expect it.  But very few American drivers seem to 
have any concept of lane discipline, and consequently, they don't 
necessarily expect to be passed on any particular side.  So I just can't
see that it matters here.


In article <1992Apr15.201047.389@lrc.edu> little_re@lrc.edu writes:

>   That's why car makers invinted head lights!!  You can easily flash them
>at the slow idiots in the left lane and hopefully get their attention so
>they will pull over.  

Heh.  Around these parts, the average driver is either so ignorant or so
self-righteous that flashing at people only tends to weld them to the
fast lane.  We recently had a mondo flamewar about that in sun.junk, our
in-house newsgroup, in fact.



Geoff


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From: mike@gilligan.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori - Information Resources)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Stereotypical frustrating drivers
Summary: I saw a goodie yesterday...
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:05:18 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc., Vienna, VA.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilligan.east.sun.com


Speaking of frustrating behavior, I saw a real nice one yesterday.

Going west thru Fairfax, Va. on Route 50 (Overburdened commuter
route). Route 50 is 2 lanes each way, with left turn lanes
where needed. I was in a left turn lane, waiting for an arrow.

When my direction turned green, the lanes going opposite me
(east) were clogged by a person who decided that in spite of
the fact that she was blocking traffic, she wanted to wait it
out, and turn left. She was blocking about 1-1/2 lanes of east-
bound rush-hour traffic. There was a turn lane that she could
have pulled into, but she just decided to sit there. (See diagram
below).

You folks can call me an over-agressive SOB driver all you want,
but I have never pulled the likes of what I saw happen to her.


	|Turn Lane(left)| Traf Lane	| Traf Lane	|
	|		|		|		|
	|		| Lady's car	|		|
	|		|		|		|
	|		| Blocked traffic		|
	|		|		|		|
	|		|		|		|

It was fairly warm, and people had the windows down, so that
meant they could throw things real well. As the lady sat there,
blocking traffic, cars began to pull into the left turn lane,
proceed straight around her, horns-a-blarin'. Some construction
folks in pickups came by, and dumped their drinks all over the
car, as they pulled around her. People were throwing cups and
all kinds of s**t as they went by. My wife and I were astounded
by it all. Good thing nobody had a brick.

I kinda felt bad for the lady, but she really should have pulled
past the turn she had missed, pulled a U-turn up the road, and
came back to it. Then, I remembered that people pull crap like
that all the time around here, and that's why accidents happen.
I bet she'll think twice before she does that again. If not,
then she's even dumber than she appears to be.

Nothing like a mob scene to make it a complete day...

-- Mike
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,rec.autos
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (K. Khan)
Subject: Re: Stereotypical frustrating drivers
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:08:03 GMT


In article <1992Apr13.055112.18569@informix.com> neilw@informix.com (Neil Williams) writes:
>
>How about this - many times in this situation, in very light traffic,
>I signal way ahead of time.  Now I watch the car behind me, who doesn't
>signal.  I approach my turn, stop and wait for an opening, and the
>car behind also waits - with nobody in the right hand lane.  After I
>make my turn, the guy behind me continues straight, when he had all
>the time and notice he needed to pass me on the right.
>
>A zen driver, or someone in a daze?

A duckling, soon to be in search of a new mother duck to latch onto. ;-)


Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (K. Khan)
Subject: Re: Stereotypical frustrating drivers
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:36:29 GMT


Now here's a perspective I've never heard expressed before. Congrats,
Randy - if nothing else, your peeve is original! ;-)

In article <10901@rls.UUCP> randy@rls.UUCP (Randall L. Smith) writes:
>bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell) writes:
>> How 'bout the idiot who pulls up to the intersection, waits for
>> the light to change, then turns on the left turn signal. For
>> that matter any person who signals less than a block from where
>> they're going to turn.
>
>Whoa, there pardner.  You're suggesting sitting at an interminable light
>to leave your turn signal on for the duration of the light is the proper
>or "non-idiot" thing to do?  Au contrare.
>
>Bill, you might want to revisit your drivers ed books.

You might want to do the same, Randy.

>First off, by signalling after the light changes, they are most likely
>performing their legally obligatory signal to inform oncoming traffic of
>their intentions.

Actually, what they're doing is getting a bunch of cars to pull up
behind them, thinking that the lead car is going to go straight, only to
have the idiot turn on his signal after it's too late for the people
behind to choose the other lane. Thus, all those cars are stuck behind
the turning car, possibly for the entire duration of the light. They're
pissed because the delay could have been avoided if only the lead car
had signalled.

>Secondarily, if you turn your blinkers on one block before you turn you
>are in violation of most cities and counties legal restrictions on use
>of turn signals.  In Ohio it is a maximum of 100 feet before the turn,
				   ^^^^^^^

Check it again - I'll bet it says MINIMUM. In any case, the word is
minimum in most states.

>Personally, I'm all for turning off turn signals while sitting at long
>lights.  I KNOW YOU'RE TURNING, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL ME ALL DAMNED
>DAY LONG.  A brief informative notion that you're turning is enough,
>but don't wear the message out.  Since you're not going anywhere, who
>gives a damned.

Why does it bother you so much? Are you afraid of having an epileptic
seizure? Sheesh!! Lighten up!!

OK, so *you* know that the car in front is going to turn. What about the
car behind you? And the car behind that car which pulls up 30 seconds
later? Should the turning driver have to watch for all upcoming traffic,
and repeat his turn signal for 10 flashes so that each car arriving will
know his intentions (as required by law)? Or is your attitude that those
cars who arrived "late" don't deserve to know that the lead car is
turning?

Most reasonable drivers do not have a problem with blinkers which stay
on all through the stoplight. I know I don't. I guess it's just
something you'll hvae to learn to deal with (or, better still, why don't
you just give up driving alltogether? If you're this pettily peevish
about a simple turn signal, I shudder to think about what you might be
like for other "offenses.")

>Cheers!

Jeers!


Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Subject: Re: Covert radar gun under development.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:05:09 GMT


In article <1992Apr15.192233.8775@scott.skidmore.edu> jreiser@scott.skidmore.edu (jason reiser) writes:
>All data comes from a C&D article and John Tommerlin's book, Beating
>The Radar Rap.

As I recall, the C&D reviewer HATED that book. Since you have read it,
what do you think of it? Is it worth reading?
From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Covert radar gun under development.
Keywords: auto,radar
Date: 16 Apr 92 06:14:41 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) writes:
>One small article concerned a radar gun manufacturer who was seeking FCC
>permission to develop (and presumably sell) a spread-spectrum radar
>gun.
>     Whistler has apparently filed objections on the ground that it
>could eliminate future development of collision advoidance radar for
>cars.
      Actually, this sounds good for collision avoidance applications,
since multiple identical spread-spectrum units can be operated in the same
area without interference, provided their sequence is random.

>     Another objection (relevent to hams) is that it screws up part of
>a wide chunk of the spectrum where hams might want to experiment.
      Spread-spectrum transmitters just raise the noise floor
slightly over the band in use.  Other users are very unlikely to
ever notice that something like this is in operation.  The interference
potential is much less than with a single-frequency transmitter.

      Bogus objections.

					John Nagle
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,rec.autos
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: Lasar radar again *sigh* (was Re: IRD?...Infra-Red-Detector?)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 18:22:52 GMT

In article <jimf.703430322@centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>Note that by using a tunable laser rather than a fixed-frequency one

I believe all solid state lasers, especially ones that are portable & low power,
are not tunable.