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From: johnj@echo.philips.nl (John Janssen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: .mid track splitter?
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:53:14 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, E.C.H.O. development department

kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu writes:

>Does anyone know of a way to convert .mid files that have
>all the tracks beln
>blended into one track into a .mid or .wrk (cakewalk) file with each
>track/channel on it's own track/channel?

>The reason is that I have a program to convert .cmf files to .mid but
>they put all of the info into ta
>channel or track 1

You want a format 0 to format 1 conversion.

My program PLAYBACK does that (and many more),
however, for the time being it runs only on Atari computers.
So if you have access to an Atari computer, get the program
(which is on several ftp addresses- email me!), and convert it.

If you format a 720kB 3" floppy on a PC, the Atari has no problem 
with it.

Good luck,

John
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From: lv0e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lisa Laverne Vaughan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: WANTED:Used Drum Machine/Zoom
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:29:01 GMT
Organization: Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

greetings:  I'm in the market for a used drum machine, or just a fancy "beat
box".  Even tho I have Performer/D70 & could create my own, I'm kinda 
pressed right now & really don't have the time to create a library of them.

Perhaps I'm just missing some link of knowledge and there's a library of
patterns available?

An perhaps there is no library available, which brings me back to the search
for a "hit-the-button-n-groove" beat machine.  Maybe a rhythm composer or
Roland R-5/8.  Maybe Boss or Brother's equiv would do as well.

If you have a used one, make me an offer.

I'm also looking for a used ZOOM.  I'd like a 9000 with foot switch, or the
older model, 9002.  Replies to this account... thankx, lisa
From: JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Best Modules for the Buck???
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:27:00 GMT


Here's what I would do if I were starting over from scratch...

1.  Kurzweil K2000r
2.  Korg Wavestation Rack
3.  Kurzweil K2000r
4.  Waldorf MicroWave
5.  Kurzweil K2000r

The reasoning is as follows...

The first K2000r as it is available today (without sampler) would be stock
with 16 MB memory.  This would provide your basic sample playback capability
and any analog-type synthesizer stuff you would ever need.  The WS will
provide WS-type synthesis which includes wave sequencing.  By the time you
could afford the 2nd K2000, the sample option should be available.  This should
provide all the sampling power youy would ever need.  The 2nd K2000 would
start with 32MB of sample memory and I would probably add at least a 200MB
SCSI drive off it in addition to a Syquest 88.  The Microwave would then be
added in order to achieve the kinds of sounds yopu can only get with
scaning wavetable synthesis.  The final K2000 would serve as a voice
expander for either the K2000 sampler or the K2000 synthesizer.

Actually, I think that this is exactly where my studio is headed.  With a K2000
a Wavestation and a Microwave, I think that all the bases are realistically
covered.  I will be adding my 2nd K2000 later this year (makes a nice 
Christmas gift, don't you think).  Unless I am missing something, I can't think
of anything which can't be handled by the system I outlined above.  The only
initial shortcomming is the 24 voice polyphony of the K2000.  As an addition
to a studio which already has about 120 voice polyphony, 24 voices of K2000
is plenty, however, when you are replacing an entire studio with K2000s,
polyphony becomes a problem.  Maybe 4 K2000s is the actual answer, that way
you could hand an expansion unit off the synthesizer AND the sampler and
spread the 8MB ROM upgrades around.  Yeah, that's the ticket, four K2000s.

John
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: georg@miro.nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de (Georg Mueller)
Subject: Re: Sources for CEM VCOs? (Fixing a Roland SH101)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:27:50 GMT
Organization: TH Darmstadt, Institut fuer Angewandte Physik

In article <1992Oct8.080730.22765@axis.se> ricard@axis.se (Ricard Wolf) writes:

   Apart from that, it seems to me that the Curtis chips are quite stable;
   a few years ago I succeeded in plugging in the power supply cable wrong
   for a voice board in a MemoryMoog (which also uses Curtis chips). 

What??? Curtis chips in the MemoryMoog. I remember a Moog Newsletter,
where they claimed that they had delveloped chips themselves, giving
better sound than the MiniMoog, but polyphonic. No Moog filters in the 
MemoryMoog??? Can you please tell me the numbers of the CEM chips in
the MemoryMoog.

Please enlighten me.

	Georg.

From: dan@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Dan Bennett)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:42:47 GMT
Subject: Wavestation klutz appeals for help!
Organization: HP Response Centre, Berkshire, England.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth

Hi Wavers,

I wuz playin' my WS-1 with my brain switched off yesterday evening, and I
pushed a couple of buttons that I shouldn't have, and succeeded in overwriting
ALL the info in RAM1 with the contents of ROM. Oops.

Now stop laughing, will you!

Anyway, there were some sounds I was really rather attached to, and
almost all of them were the factory presets (I haven't written a
librarian yet, so I haven't got my hands dirty with heavy sound designing).
So I became miserable, because of course, not only were my RAM1 
performances wiped away, but also anything in RAM2 which uses RAM1
patches and wavesequences.

The one I really miss is "Glider".   Waah! Sob!

So question 1:

  Is there a magic hold-this-button-down-while-switching-on operation which
  restores the factory presets? There is on some kit I've heard of. I don't
  fancy a trial & error approach in case I hit one which wipes the lot!

And question 2:

  Or can anyone provide me a sysex dump of the factory-preset contents of
  RAM1? I suppose a uuencoded version via email would be what I want, or
  an Atari-format disk (though I've got no software for squirting it out,
  as far as I know).

And question 3:

  Or can anyone write up all the patch and wavesequence info needed to
  reconstruct "Glider"? - I've still got the Performance as it's in RAM2.

And question 4:

  Anyone got other ideas of how to rescue me (eg RAM card)? Or am I just
  a Dork?

Thanks, and fingers crossed (though it doesn't help my arpeggios),

Dan Bennett.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: anyone familiar with Dick Hyman Moog albums?
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:18:24 GMT

ukevc@mcl.ucsb.edu (Ink Killed Crayons) writes:

>>I believe there was an earlier one called simply "MOOG"

I listened to some of this last night! It's greta stuff. My girlfriend also
has early synth lps in a similar vein by Perry and Kingsley and other folks. 
When we first me I sent her a tape of soem electronic music and she told me
she was really into electronic stuff and she sent me a tape of some of this
vintage Moog stuff. I thought she was crazy at first... 

  - Malcolm
From: jseboldt@pnet51.orb.mn.org (John Seboldt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Wendy Carlos, where are you???
Date: 12 Oct 92 05:25:02 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

laut@alien.gici.com (Bill Laut) writes:

>>>>>
        What has become of Wendy Carlos?  I heard her new CD, "Switched-on
Bach 2000," and noticed it was released by Telarc?  Does she have a contract
with Telarc now?  Is she on the net somewhere?
>>>>>

Read her recent interview in Keyboard magazine -- Aug. 1992.  Also saw her ad
in the Coda music software newsletter for her own font designs for Finale. 
She's definitely "here."

:John Seboldt...Mpls, MN...As a ham, K0JD...as a human...well,...   :
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From: davei@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr D Ingles)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Cubase for Windows?
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:55:42 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

In article <1992Oct12.160306.1@brt.deakin.edu.au> gjocc@brt.deakin.edu.au writes:
>Has anyone had a look at Cubase for Windows?

Yip, I have a copy of it.

>How does it compare to the Atari and Macintosh versions?

Well in my opinion it is nowhere as good as the Atari version.  When I
bought it, I was told by the shop that it had the full functionality of
the Atari version. For a start it hasn't got a score editor or a printing 
function, nor does it have a sysex librarian.

Davei
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: jssloka@babbage.uwaterloo.ca (Scott Sloka)
Subject: O1/W Pro files REQUESTED
Keywords: Korg
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:39:14 GMT

Howdy.   I have just spent my life's savings :) on a Korg O1/W Pro x workstation 
and I was wondering if there was a repository of MIDI files out there that stored
combinations/sequences.  What a great machine!  I can't wait to become proficient
with the capabilities....

		-Scott
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: d88-jwa@byse.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte)
Subject: Re: K2000 SCSI (Was: K2000 patches and samples ftp sites?)
Originator: d88-jwa@byse.nada.kth.se
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:51:51 GMT

> cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes:

   Like I said, this cannot be right (especially since the MacOS might go for
   the hard disk at any time). How IS this supposed to be set up? I'd think
   having a Mac with local SCSI storage, and then the K2000 downstream, but
   the '2000 with its own local storage in its own format. But SCSI doesn't do
   that: it requires a single bus master. I can't think of a way of getting a
   computer-based K2000 rig working without SCSI switchers and stuff.

Well, the SCSI standard calls for a single bus master at
any one time. Which device IS master is determined by
bus arbitration before communication takes place (each time)

However, Apple, in a glorious move to save money, said
"to heck with arbitration, we define the Mac as bus
master, period"

Thus, you can't use a Mac in a two-master SCSI setup.

-- 
 -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Suedoise (not french speaking) --

  "Practice random kindness, and senseless acts of beauty."
From: galanter@nyu.edu (Philip Galanter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Wendy Carlos, where are you???
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:39:45 GMT
Reply-To: galanter@nyu.edu (Philip Galanter)
Organization: New York University

In article <9210140411.AA19215@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>  
JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL writes:
|
|Judging from the last Kwyboard story/interview, if Wendy Carlos is  
missing
|it is probably because she is trying to get the penis she lost put back  
on.
|Carlos remains an historc figure in the popularization of synth sounds. 
|Unfortunately, she has decided to take herself much too seriously.  

Thank goodness the net is free of such people.  

Phil

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From: ukevc@mcl.ucsb.edu (Ink Killed Crayons)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: anyone familiar with Dick Hyman Moog albums?
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:12:14 GMT


>I believe there was an earlier one called simply "MOOG"

Well, I should have written "Electric Eclectics" as "MOOG".. the first
one is just a subtitle, and MOOG is written in big letters with lots
of little Dick Hymans all over the place on a moon scape with a landed
spaceship.

So yeah, I grew up listening to "The Topless Dancers of Corfu", "Legend
of Johnny Pot", "The Moog and Me" (it really WAS in the soundtrack to
MASK?  My grammar school friend told me it was , and i always meant
to see that movie...), "Tap Dance in the Memory Banks" and "Four Duets
in Odd Meter".

I never got into side 2, for some reason.

Kevin
From: cjcox@gn.apc.org
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: ENSONIQ ASR10 - Info wanted
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:17:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:gn:1173600086:000:304
Nf-From: gn.UUCP!cjcox    Oct 16 22:17:00 1992


ENSONIQ ASR10 - replacement for EPS 16+

Has anyone come across the new ASR10 yet? It's due to be released in
the UK shortly. Is it muschch better that the 16+ and what new features 
does it have. I'd be gratefull for any information anybody can give me.

Thankls Chris ATDT0730 265098
Thanks 
Chris Cox
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: skipa@milton.u.washington.edu (Skip Albertson)
Subject: Re: EV257/EV357 microphones
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 06:22:38 GMT

feng@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Wuchun Feng) writes:

>My apologies if this is the wrong newsgroup to post the following question
>(I couldn't find a more suitable newsgroup):

>What's the difference between an EV257 and an EV357 dynamic microphone?
>Does anyone have an idea as to their respective prices?  I've heard that
>the EV357 costs about $100.

>Thanks,
>Wu

The 357 is slightly more expensive (maybe $135 or so) and has a
Supercardioid response pattern making it a little more
directional than the 257.  That way, if you play in a band
it will pick-up your voice better than sounds coming from
the side.  The 257 has Cardioid response which isn't as extreme.
I have, and like, a 357.

- Skip

>-- 
>Wuchun Feng // feng@cs.uiuc.edu // University of Illinois // Urbana, IL 61801
From: laut@alien.gici.com (Bill Laut)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Wendy Carlos, where are you???
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:57:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: alien.1992Oct11.195751.1
Organization: Gull Island Consultants, Inc.



	What has become of Wendy Carlos?  I heard her new CD, "Switched-on
Bach 2000," and noticed it was released by Telarc?  Does she have a contract
with Telarc now?  Is she on the net somewhere?


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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:51:31 EST
Reply-To:     "(acha%junska@princeton.edu)" <acha%junska@Princeton.EDU>
From:         "(acha%junska@princeton.edu)" <acha%junska@PRINCETON.EDU>
Subject:      REV7/DPS-R7/M7
Comments: To: AMERICAN.EDU!SYNTH-L@Princeton.EDU

Looking for an ancient piece of equipment: Yamaha REV7.
Also, looking for a new piece of equipment: Sony DPS-M7 or R7.
Please email if you know of a store that does have either one,
or knows of someone who's wishing to sell one. Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: skipa@milton.u.washington.edu (Skip Albertson)
Subject: Best Modules for the Buck???
Summary: Best Modules for the Buck???
Keywords: Best Modules for the Buck???
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 06:30:29 GMT

If you were starting from scratch (I am) what Modules would
you buy in what order?  The only thing I have is a MIDI
controller.  Korg M1R, emu Proteus?  I'm mainly interested
in musical quality (e.g. 16-bit) and tuned intstruments
(drums not necessary).


Thanks in advance for your advice,

alberts@apl-em.apl.washington.edu

From: smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Jim Smith)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:02:43 GMT
Subject: Re: 8bit vs 16bit?
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
From: JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Dropouts in Hi-8mm
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:22:00 GMT


I, too, have a TR-81.  Foe a couple of months I owned both the TR-81 and
a Panasonic AG-450 Semi-Pro S-VHS camcorder.  While I guess it is possible
that I have seen dropouts in my Hi-8, I can definately say that if they are
there they are not as 'ordinary' as dropouts in S-VHS.  My question remains.
Has there been a valid study which compares the drop out rate of Hi-8mm and
S-VHS?  

John
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: Bob.Weigel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bob Weigel)
Subject: RE: new Ensoniq synth AND: new alesis synth
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:38:51 GMT


	I haven't heard about the new ensoniq machine.  They do have a
killer sounding sound card coming out though.  (See the article in KB
magazine this month about various sound cards.)
	Meanwhile, I'm really waiting to see that Alesis synth which
should be hitting soon.  I read that the 64 note polyphonic rack version
will list at less than $1000 !  I think it was pretty heavy duty in it's
filter implementation too as I remember.  -bob
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From: rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Roland Alpha Juno/MKS50 Question
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:41:25 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


I'm looking at buying an MKS-50 Alpha Juno module and have a question about
it.  I understand that it has both TONE and PATCH memory.  I understand how
tones and patches relate in the Roland L/A synths, but my prior Juno experience
has been only with the 6/60/106 types.  What part of the sounds are handled at
the tone level and what parts at the patch level?

Also have questions about how easy it is to program the rack version from the
front panel, as I don't particularly want to lay out $$$ for a patch editor. 
I'm assuming that the total number of programmable parameters is relatively
manageable compared to these modern boxes with 2,000 parameters per patch.

Replies by E-mail would be appreciated.

					Brian Rost @rgb.enet.dec.com

					508-568-6115

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: tmm@world.std.com (Tom M Moravansky)
Subject: Re: What's With Wine Country (Prophet Stuff)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:59:32 GMT



The only thing I bought from them was a MIDI upgrade for the Prophet 5
when they had a half-price sale on them  ($125).  The rest of their
stuff is extremely high-priced.  

Also, remember that you can buy CEMs directly from Mr. Curtis for $15
each, as opposed to the $45 each Wine Country charges.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay)
Subject: WANTED: Roland TB-303 and TR-909
Summary: Make an offer
Organization: Atomic City
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:59:29 GMT


A friend of mine is looking for a Roland TB-303 "Bassline" and TR-909
drum machine (the raver's pals). If you have either or both of these
items to sell, please email me or call Herman Pearl at 412-421-4668
with a starting offer for a selling price. Thanks.

-- 
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atomic city       |             No Phasing
                  |             No
metlay@netcom.com |
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Subject: Wavestation puzzle
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:00:00 +0000

>Describe a way to get a sound to trigger on keyup. (You can replace
>"trigger" with "start"). An example of how this might be used is on
>the noise a harpsicord makes when you release a key.

Harsichord releases are easy because you can invert ENV1 and attach the
filter to it. Now, for proper applitude attacks on note release, I dunno.
The WS has dynamic voice allocation and is multitimbral, which usually
means no TVA envelope extension.

Two guesses: (i) I think you have KEYDN/KEYUP as mod. sources, so attach to
amplitude. (ii) ramp up a vector envelope, and keep all but the last env.
segment at a silent oscillator vector point.

                      Nick Rothwell  |  "Say, how many contemporary dancers
   CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance  |     are there in this bar?"
        cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk  |  "Dunno; count the Dr. Martens
        cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk  |     and divide by two..."

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: dmcnamar@netcom.com (Dennis McMamara)
Subject: Re: .mid track splitter?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 23:40:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.154715.1@tesla.njit.edu> kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu writes:
>Does anyone know of a way to convert .mid files that have
>all the tracks beln
>blended into one track into a .mid or .wrk (cakewalk) file with each
>track/channel on it's own track/channel?
>
>The reason is that I have a program to convert .cmf files to .mid but
>they put all of the info into ta
>channel or track 1
>
>-- 
>
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>Kirk Membry             ( * * * T H I S   S P A C E   F O R   R E N T * * * )
>
>kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu                                    kpm8447@teak.njit.edu
>kmembry@andromeda.rutgers.edu                             kpm8447@maple.njit.edu
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

What you are asking for is a program to convert from Standard MIDI File
format 0 ( all voices on one track) to format 1 ( seperate tracks).
Actually a small fast utility to convert from format 0 to 1, and from
1 to 0 comes with the license for Composer's WorkBench. If you email
me, I can send it to you.

-- 
Dennis McNamara dmcnamar@netcom.com
Purveyor of Fine Software: Composer's WorkBench
From: dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Clavinet Example (was: Re: Keyboard feel (was: Re: CZ101 for sale)
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:45:07 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <1992Oct8.180212.6809@netcom.com> metlay@netcom.com (metlay) writes:
>         It wouldn't be the easiest thing for a blind player to get used to;
>unlike the whammy bar on a guitar, the Clavi whammy is just kind of "out 
>there" in space above the keyboard, and would require some groping to grab in
>a hurry.

	Which makes me think of something...  Why do blind people always play
keyboard instruments?  Why not, say, saxophone or guitar...?  Seems like those
would even be easier to feel your way around...

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