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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee")
Subject: Re: A REAL Sandman question
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 03:21:58 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Aug24.002358.20210@colorado.edu> rakowski@hazelrah.cs.colorado.edu (Dave) writes:
>Now HERE is a REAL Sandman question:
>Why do all the Endless have names that start with a 'D'?
>(Destiny, Desire, Death, Dream, Destruction, Despair)
>
Dunno, Dave.  A Daedalian Dilemma...

-- 
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I AM the AntiWoofer. - Junior Stathead{tm} - I'm a shutmouthed, selfless idiot!!
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: Grendel and Spawn
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:39:23 GMT

BTW-- I was kidding with that last post.  I picked up WAR CHILD after a friends
recomdation and quite enjoyed it.

As for McFarlane's originality, he's so used to stealing (oops, I mean paying 
homage to) other artists ideas, his "Comic Creator Trading Card" pose is stolen
from a Jose Canseco Dream Team card (from Fleer or Donnrus).


----SCAVENGER


-- 
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a cassette to make love to Elle McPherson for  |     (Internet/Usenet)
$19.95, this virtual reality stuff is going to | No matter where you go, there
make crack look like Sanka. -  Dennis Miller   |     you are."-Buckaroo Banzai
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From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Jerry (Jayembee) Boyajian
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:58:26 GMT

Sorry for the semi-vague Subject:, but I wanted to be sure that people
outside of the Boston area who recall Jerry's posts also see this.

Jerry's agreed to be the guest of honor at a "r.a.c. retirement dinner"
in recognition of his many contributions to net.comics and rec.arts.comics
before his relatively recent departure from the group due to a shift in
buying habits, time commitments, and the like. 

In addition to the dinner itself (details in a minute), I'm also soliciting
testamonials from those who can't attend. I'm particularly looking forward
to seeing what his fellow Enterprise Security redshirt has to write. Depending 
on the number, at least the best will be read at the dinner and all will be
presented to Jerry.

Unless there's a lot of preference for some other date, it's currently
scheduled for Sunday, September 13th, somewhere in the Boston area.
If you're interested in attending, please email me with whether you'd 
prefer a lunch or dinner time. Jerry's expressed a preference for Chinese,
followed by seafood, so if you have any T-accessible suggestions in these
cuisines please let me know. One reason I'm hedging on selecting a definite
location yet is that I want to see what the projected attendence looks like.

And if we're really lucky, we'll get him to reconsider his decision not
to run for President this time...[in-joke for those who were reading r.a.c.
back in '88].

"Besides, my first "real" book wasn't LOVE IN THE TIME OF CHOLERA, either, but
that doesn't mean I should be satisfied reading CURIOUS GEORGE at the age of 35
just because I enjoyed it when I was five." --Jayembee
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: 10726446@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (LAU WAI KUEN)
Subject: Re: slaine: the horned god = slaine the ________ ?
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 04:15:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.190431.856@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III) writes:
>From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III)
>Subject: Re: slaine: the horned god = slaine the ________ ?
>Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:04:31 GMT
>In article <1992Aug31.160856.28608@javelin.sim.es.com>, tpehrson@javelin.sim.es.com (tim clinkenpeel) writes:
>> over a year ago heavy metal ran what they announced to be a three-part series
>> called "slaine: the horned god".  i never saw another installment; however, a
>> recent heavy metal ran a "mr. monster" which appeared to be by the same
>> person(s).
>
>Stephen "The Biz" Bisley.

Umm... It's Simon Bisley, NOT Stephen.  The other Slaine series was written 
by Pat Mills and (some -  Slaine: The King) were drawn by Glen Fabry (of the 
Hellblazer covers fame).  There is now going to be a new Slaine series fully 
painted by Glen Fabry. Note: BOTH artists are British imports that America 
has stolen.  They get to do REALLY bad pencil drawings for DC and 
Marvel which would seem to invlve almost no work on their part in return for 
obscene amounts of money (cf Slaine (done for BRITISH comic 2000AD) and 
Lobo (20 minute SKETCHES done for DC) :-). 

>
>> i called the local comic shop and asked if they had a "slaine: the
>> horned god" (as long before i had seen a poster for it) and they said "yeah,
>> we have slaine the ______" -- i can't remember exactly what he said for
>> "_____", but something along the lines of "berserker" or "barbarian".  i'm
>> wondering if this is the continuation to "S:THG" or something completely
>> different.
>
>Same characters, different artist (no Biz).
>
>-- 
>			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
>			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
>			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
>		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
From: acd@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (andrew.c.durston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Superman's Death
Summary: PREVIEWS, Doomsday
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:54:19 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <sVXkqB1w165w@micromed.com>, msanto@micromed.com (mike santo) writes:
> OK, I haven't read comics for a while, but I read about Superman's 
> upcoming death in the paper today.  I remember when DC went thru the 
> infamous crisis, and the killing of Supergirl and later, of Superboy, who 
> it turned out existed in an alternate universe but not ours.  Now 
> Superman, too.  Anybody have inside info on this?  Don't tell me they're 
> going to resurrect the name with some other character?
>   And Lois killed too?

	PREVIEWS vol II, no 9, out today, has a cover story or two on the
	"death" of Superman in issue 75. It is a six issue story in Superman,
	Man of Steel and a couple of Justice League issues. Superman and
	the Justice League fight a villian/creature called Doomsday. In
	PREVIEWS there are short interviews with Louise Simonson ( including
	some dumb references to Walt's run on Thor ), Dan Jurgens and
	Roger Stern. I don't know off hand what issues the mini-series covers
	( Action may be involved as well ) other than the climax is in
	issue 75. Hope this helps,

	ACDurston, ..!att!hotld!acd
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From: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn )
Subject: Face of Doom
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:12:35 GMT

I was reading through some back issues I have of FF, specifically the
storyline that led up to the 200thsue where Dr. Doom is driven
mad by thousands of reflections of his ruined face. Anyways, in about
issues 197, he unmasks himself in the presence of the FF and Alicia,
the blind Alicia could sculpt his face without having to see the
actual scars. When he unmasks, the FF does not seem to be that surprised
to see Doom's bare face, and the Thing cracks a joke that Doom is uglier
than he is. In a letters column, someone wrote in, asking why Doom would
unveil his face to his worst enemies if he hates it so much. The reply
was that there was a REASON for the FF's casual acceptance of his face
and they weren't telling what it is. As this storyline came out in 1978, I
was wondering if anyone out there had seen any kind of followup--perhaps
Doom isn't really scarred at all? Perhaps the writers are just full of
sh*t? Doom's face has been seen by other characters in the Marvel Universe,
and usually their reactions are of horror....
Just wonderin'!

--------
From: davisson@ab.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: X-questions
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:07:09 GMT
Organization: Alderson-Broaddus College

I do have some questions about the x-titles.

1. What happened to Nathan Christphor Summers after the Infero plot?
2.What exactly is Wolverine's past?
3.Is Cable Cyclops's son Nathan?
4.Did Bishop ever meet Cable in the future?
5.What is Bishop's past?
6.What did Cable or I think Stryfe did to hammer,Bridge,Kane,and Grizzely?
7.What is Cable's connection between Cable and Stryfe?
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Cerebus TPB (was Re: Marvel Writers slyly criticizing Company Poli
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 04:38:38 GMT

Er, the Jaka's Story TPB has already been released, either that or the one I 
borrowed from a friend the other day is a result of too much apricot brandy.  
Yes, I borrowed *all* the phonebooks.  Dave is beginning to think his thought 
processes are being warped by this process of reading all of Cerebus in a short
time span.
     Dave Van Domelen, really Sgt Preston.
From: NXG103@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: The Tick, Gregory
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:05:35 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

What is with you people.  Why all the comics with violence.  I could understand
 if it was some new violence or some incredible violence or even just some kink
y violence, but all of it is the same: pointless dialogue (three pages), fight
(four pages, punch punch kick kick), loser flees, losers friends chase winner,
another fight (four pages,pun.. you know), lick wounds/develope plot (half page
), end.
  How boring.
  Next topic, odd comic books.  My suggestions THE TICK, okay he is a superhero
but he has the intelligence of topsoil, and he doesn't have any justice hang up
s.
  Or, if your tastes are a little twisted, GREGORY,  yes it costs $8.00 but the
re are no stupid adds throughout the book and the book is thicker.  Fine there
isn't even a plot so all of you small minded people can handle this.  The entir
e story is about a kid in a straight-jacket who speaks mostly in vowels and run
s in circles, and different things that happen to him.
  Try these they will make you smile and isn't that what COMIC books are suppos
e to do?

 "standing here I see The City for what it is, a place with alot of rooftops to
 jump around on"--
                  THE TICK 1st issue

 'What are you suppose to be, some kind of bug'
--'I'm a tick'
 'you ain't no tick.  Ticks suck blood, do you suck blood'
--'I got a straw right here pal, you want a demonstration!'
                 Argument between a citizen of The City and The tick
From: husty@cathedral.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Steve Husty)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: BATMAN ANIMATED SERIES (Jester)
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:02:23 GMT


	The final word:

		"Batman: The Animated Series" will air, that is the
	season premier episode, on Saturday, September 5th, 1992.  That
	is right, Saturday at 9:00 am est.  Again, 9:00 in the morning,
	I know that most of you don't believe that Saturday has any time
	period before noon, but it does, so set your VCRs.

			"Your welcome in advance"

				Jester
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From: hunter@cse.uta.edu (David Hunter)
Subject: Re: DC: A Second Implosion? (was Re: JSA CANCELLED?)
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, Univ. of Texas at Arlington
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:10:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.171547.25392@news.nd.edu> mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes:
>
> hunter@cse.uta.edu (David Hunter) writes:
>>Too true!  I don't buy many off-the-shelf comics these days because
>>I've discovered that there's better - and cheaper! - stuff available
>>in the back issue bins, but in recent months the comics I have
>>really looked forward to are: Dr. Fate, JSA, Aquaman, and
>>Hawkworld.  Dr. Fate has been cancelled, JSA is going to be
>>cancelled, and Aquaman and Hawkworld are going to be "restarted"
>>whatever that means ...
>
>	Dr. Fate?! Blech! I really have no idea what Bill M-Loebs was
>trying to do with this title. I thought at first he was trying to
>make some sort of social commentary, but it must have gotten lost
>with all of the puncheminnaface with the Egyptian gods.

It's true that the WotG crossover was bad and didn't fit in with the
rest of the book, but that was only two issues or so.  I thought
the rest of Bill W.M.'s run was very good.  Of course, I despised
J.M.D's version of Dr. Fate and I've noticed that the people who
liked the JMD books tended to dislike the BWM books ... 

>	I really didn't understand what happenned to this book. It 
>seems to me that for a monthly comic to be successful, the writer
>should provide some sort of consistency within his own work, i.e.
>not shooting hit-and-miss between slugfests and social commentary.

We have different memories of the book ... I don't recall much
gratitous slug-festing.  I recall an unusual and entertaining
book that dealt with the issue of what is the proper use of 
ultimate power.

David Hunter
hunter@cse.uta.edu
From: dddawson@lpl.arizona.edu (Doug Dawson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: JSA CANCELLED????
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:21:23 GMT
Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.

In article <sward.714778733@uclagsm> sward@agsm.ucla.edu (Sidne Gail Ward) writes:
>
>That's fine, but if they expect me to hang around to the bitter end,
>they've got another think coming.  I really enjoyed the first couple
>of issues of the title, but now that I know it's being cancelled, I'll
>drop it.  
 
   Well, that's your perogative, but something to remember is that the
   writer now _knows_ it's coming. to an end and, from .what I've heard,
   is writing the .final issues with that in m.ind.  Thus, I'm .goin.g
   to .buy the rest of them an.d .think of .it as a m.iniseries.
From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Face of Doom
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:18:25 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep3.031654.11848@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
 >When was this new version of Doom's origin first shown?
 
 Sometime during Byrne's run, but I can't recall the exact issue number
 off hand.  If anyone else can help, please post it.

Well, according to a list i have here, Byrne did Doom stories in 
FF # 236, 246-247, 258, 260, 278-279.

I have no idea where the origin story was told, but maybe this will jog
someone else's memory...

JRjr


-- 
'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: jlee@nlm.nih.gov (Jhemon Lee)
Subject: Re: Face of Doom
Keywords: marvel doom ff 
Organization: National Library of Medicine
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 23:25:25 GMT

>In article <1992Sep2.001424.20588@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:
>Well, it has been implied that when Doom first put on his first mask,
>which was still red-hot, the damage to his face was done, and done
>pretty severely. In an old Thor issue, Don Blake tricks Doom into thinking
>he is a great plastic surgeon who could heal his face. Doom takes off his
>mask and Blake is apparetly astonished with what he sees, saying "I didn't
>know it would be like THAT! There's nothing medical science can do! Nothing!"
>However, this may be just a writer's error. In issue 197, Susan Richards
>is one of the FF who sees Doom unmasked, yet in issue 236 when the FF have
>been shrunk by Doom, she mentions she has never seen his face before
>and sneaks into his room to take a look. When she looks, she gasps as
>if horrified, although she shouldn't have seen anything new. Then, in
>issue 350 when the "true" Doc Doom returns, Doom tells Kristoff he is
>the only one to have ever seen him unmasked. The continuity of the writers
>leaves MUCH to be desired! 

Well, remember that in FF #350 Doom implied that most of his appearances in
the Marvel Universe (even in the pages of FF) since "The Battle of Baxter
Building" were by robots.  Who knows, maybe different robots have different
faces underneath :-).  If we attribute Doom's appearances in Thor, and issues
197 and 236 of FF to merely being robots, Doom's statement in #350 would stand.
That wouldn't account for Susan Richards forgetting that she'd seen the face of
Doom before though...

                             Don't think too hard about it :-)
                                 Jhemon Lee
                                 jlee@lhc.nlm.nih.gov


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From: djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Subject: CRISIS IN INFINITE (well, several) NEWSGROUPS
Reply-To: djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:15:27 GMT

In the beginning there was the Backbone, and the Backbone were the Guardians of 
the Net.  There were many mailing lists and lo! they did proliferate.  Like unto
rats did they breed, verily like vermin.  There were giants in the net in those
days.  Saul walked with the Net and he was good; and Saul begat SF-lovers' 
Digest, and that was good.

And sf-lovers begat comics, and it was good.

And the Backbone begat a new Covenant, and the Cabal lifted their hand over
the net and behold! there were newsgroups.  

And comics begat net.comics, and it was good.

But the newsgroups did proliferate, yea, even like unto the mailing lists, and 
the Backbone was sore wroth, and rubbing Ben-Gay upon the wroth did not make it 
less sore, and Doan's Pills did not help the Backbone.  And so the Cabal lifted 
their hand over the newsgroups and behold! there was a hierarchy.

And net.comics begat rec.arts.comics, and it was good.

But the traffic did proliferate, yea even like unto the mailing lists and the
newsgroups, and the users did weep and wail and gnash their keyboards, and it
did become expensive replacing the gnashed keyboards, and so they did petition
the Backbone with a petition (which is to say, a Ballot) and said, See, upon 
this petition (which is to say, a Ballot) we have the requisite numbers, so,
oh Lords of the Cabal, wilt thou fragment unto us our Newsgroup?

And rec.arts.comics was fragmented, and it was good.

But (suddenly the Narrator lapses here from biblical prose) something was lost.
There was a tradition, a grand tradition in comics/net.comics/rec.arts.comics,
an "anything goes" tradition that ran the gamut from serious discussions of
Watchmen to Omega.Moseley's famous steel-spiked baseball bat, from x-bashing
to canonical lists to sheer fanboy ebullience:  and I fear me that this grand
tradition is getting lost in the restructuring.

There are twenty odd days to go of rec.arts.comics.  Let's make them the oddest
twenty days this newsgroup has ever seen.

And why is the sky turning red?


		The Pavlov dog and the Schroedinger cat
		Side by side in my forebrain sat
		With Shakespeare's monkeys crowding in behind. . .
		. . . it's all in your mind.
			-- Visual Purple

Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, Net.Roach
My opinions do NOT represent Pacific Bell,
Professional Development, or anyone else.
But I'm willing to share.
From: carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Sandman (spoilers)
Date: 24 Aug 92 00:59:24 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Aug23.132139.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Dan Elmoe) writes:

>	Different inker, and I agree that he did a hack job on the art.
>What struck me in particular was how small Delirium was.  She wasn't that
>tiny in #21 or #31.

  I rather liked that, actually.  Remember, the Endless seem to appear 
the way they choose to appear, and Delirium was feeling very small just
then.  Also, Morpheus was probably feeling "big-brotherly".

-- 
==============================================================================
Carl Fink          carlf@panix.com, C.FINK4(GEnie), or CF427620I@LIUVAX.BITNET
  "Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits"  -  Mark Twain
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From: wkaufman@us.oracle.com (William Kaufman)
Subject: Re: Aria Press and "A Distant Soil"
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 04:14:06 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <bhotvedt-240892194828@usemac70.uio.no> bhotvedt@gollum.uio.no (Tor Houghton) writes:
] Hello,
] 
] I was just wondering if anyone had any information about Colleen Doran+s
] wonderful "A Distant Soil" series.

    No, I only have misinformation (some would say, disinformation).
I'll tell you what I know here; someone will be along in a bit with
the *real* facts.

] I have two albums from 1985 or so printed and published by Starblaze
] Graphics / Donning called "Knights of the Angel" and the first one which I
] can+t remember at the moment.

    (This is all from memory--my collection's a bit of a mess.)  Lessee,
what I got is about a half-dozen issues from WaRP (starting at magazine
size, and working down to comic size as the series went along).  I also
have one Starblaze/Donning album (called "A Distant Soil", not the one
you have).  Now, there's the Aria Press version.

    And, each time it started again, it was fairly thoroughly revamped:
I essentially have three different comics named "A Distant Soil".  (Note
to speculators: This is a great way to claim lots of "first issues".  I
own three "Whisper #1"s, all different.)

    I'm not sure what happened to Starblaze/Donning.  Are they still
publishing?  Or did Doran simply get sick of them?

] I have also noticed that Aria Press (and Colleen Doran) are publishing some
] smallsize b/w story of the time when the father of the two kids in book 1
] and 2 lived. There is also a re-run of the story in book 1.
] 
] I have issues 1 and 2, but these took a very long time in coming - does
] anyone know if Aria Press is *very* small? :-/

    Yes, very: One person.  ;-) Aria is Doran's own publishing company.
(I get the impression (from Dave Sim's "Notes") that she was fed up with
her experiences with WaRP and Donning, and finally struck out on her
own.)

    Self-publishing generally means higher quality, and *much* longer
waits between issues: since she's publishing, marketing, handling
subscriptions, etc., there'll be less time for the side work--y'know,
writing, drawing, that stuff.

] For those who don+t know "A Distant Soil", the above might seem like
] gibberish - sorry.

    ADS may be absent, but hardly forgotten.

                                           -- Bill K.

Bill Kaufman,          | "Hush my darling / Be still my darling /
Corporate Lackey       |  The lion's on the phone,..."
wkaufman@us.oracle.com |              -- "The Guitar", They Might Be Giants