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From: wen-king@cs.caltech.edu (Wen-King Su)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Headlight possibilities
Date: 27 Sep 92 16:37:38 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: mosaic.cs.caltech.edu

I have recently purchased a bike for local commute.  With the winter
coming, more of the commute will be in darkness, which lead me to think
about getting a headlight for my bike.  I have been wondering about the
efficiency of incandescent bulbs (halogen, krypton, or otherwise).  Have
anyone tried other alternatives?  Wouldn't a fluorescent light produce
more light with less power?  How about highly efficient sodium lights
-- the kind used to illuminate parking lots?  Yes they are monochromatic
yellow, but the bulbs last forever and human color vision arn't very good
in dim light anyway.
From: LAVERTU@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Cheryl Lynn Lavertu)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: DO YOU shower after a commute?
Date: 29 Sep 92 11:52:31 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

Showering after a commute is *nice* but if I had to choose between
having a safe place to keep my bike or having full shower
facilities, I'd choose the safe storage.   A quick sponge-bath
in the bathroom after a cool-down period works for me except in
really hot, humid weather.   Of course, morning rides in Maine
this time of year hardly make a person work up  much of a sweat!
BTW:  I commute 12 miles one way, so I ride for less than an
hour at a time.

  "WORK TO EAT,                  Cheryl       ~~~O
       EAT TO LIVE,                             /\_,
         LIVE TO BIKE,                      ###-\
             BIKE TO WORK"                  (*) / (*)
From: bc751@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Howard Z. Shiau)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Ticketing illegal cycling (was Re: Bikes and sidewalks)
Date: 28 Sep 1992 18:41:59 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bc751@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Howard Z. Shiau)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) says:

>
>Okay, now I'm curious ... what do you think would have happened if
>you didn't have any i.d. when you were stopped?  Don't need a license
>to ride a bike ...  what would the cop do?
>
>
>
>-- 
>Richard Foulk		richard@pegasus.com
>
I don't know what would have happened.  Too bad I didn't think about 
it at the time.  Of course it would have been suspicious with my
wallet sticking out of my back pocket.

Howard Shiau
-- 
Howard Shiau                       bc751@cleveland.freenet.edu
Cosyde Corporation                 
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From: jenny@dbrus.Unify.Com (Jennifer Zheng)
Subject: Re: Route Maps
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 16:34:43 GMT


Hey, there's somebody from BBurg!  Greetings from an old alumni!
Do you mind sharing the route info after you get it?  I lived there
for a few years, but never was much into cycling until after I came to
CA.  But as far as I remember, there is so little traffic
in VA (compared to CA anyway) that regular roads are positively
rideable.  I'm definitely going to cycle there someday myself ...

jen (getting nostalgic)
				Proud driver of the copper Univega; wanna ride?
     o~__        o~		B. Jennifer Zheng,	916-649-3576
     ,> <       /|>		jenny@unify.com,	1 down, 35 to go!
     O   O      < \		Ride Bike.		13 down, 9 to go!
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From: qpliu@ernie.princeton.edu (q.p.liu)
Subject: Re: DO YOU shower after a commute?
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.soc
Originator: qpliu@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Reply-To: qpliu@princeton.edu
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:47:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.083301.1@mdcbbs.com> royce@mdcbbs.com (Royce D. Myers EDS/Unigraphics) writes:
>                                                                    There's
>    nothing my work can do to encourage safer streets as long as drivers
>    aren't used to bike commuters.

Although the heavy presence of automobiles on the roads make them
impossible to ignore, the safety of a route is not totally up to the
motorist.  A competent cyclist should be able to negotiate traffic
(predominantly) composed of competent motorists (mostly) safely.

As for what the work can do, encouraging more people to become
cyclists will help accustom motorists to the presence of cyclists.
In addition, allowing flexible work hours that can be adjusted
according to traffic patterns can also help.  For example, it seems
to me, the 6pm, congested, stuttering traffic is safer than the 2am,
sparse, speed-limit-exceeding traffic, neglecting air quality.

>    Showers are the most important.  Safe storage is second.  Safe routes
>    are a fantasy -:).

What makes a route safe can be unobvious.  For example, the shoulders
on a stretch of Rt. 1 through West Windsor and Plainsboro, NJ were
recently blocked off for maintenence.  Oddly, being forced onto the
real lanes makes that stretch seem safer.  There are two reasons: on
the shoulder, one must watch for cars pulling onto the shoulder; and
on the shoulder, one encounters many more cars that one would wedged
between two of them on a real lane, and will be more likely to
encounter an incompetent motorist.  On the other hand, the air in the
real lanes seem more unhealthful, and the traffic in those lanes slow
the commute.
-- 
qpliu@princeton.edu           Standard opinion: Opinions are delta-correlated.
From: ndrose@husc8.harvard.edu (Nathan Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Demise of the touring bike? (was re: Comments
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:49:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Sep28.144927.15910
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Alex, I'd agree that on dropped handlebars the upright position is unsafe
for braking. That's why I like straight bars, so you don't have to choose.

I admit that a lower bottom bracket would be nice, especially coming
downhill.

Nathan Rose
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: goell@nomad.jpl.nasa.gov (Jeremy Goell)
Subject: Re: Bicycle FAQ problems!
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:29:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.135345.1@crcvms.unl.edu>, phoffman@crcvms.unl.edu writes:

|> I am trying to do a anonymous FTP of the bicycle FAQ located (according
|> to information contained in a posting elsewhere) at draco.asc.uci.edu
|> I assume (incorrectly?) the login is: anonymous
|> However, I'm stopped short by the password prompt. Where do I go from here?
|> Trying to get my FAQs straight,
|> Paul

Type in "guest", or the username of the acc't that you're
ftp'ing from, or anything you feel like typing.  It should
work.

Michael Batchelder
mpb@nomad.jpl.nasa.gov
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From: pzs@ficus.webo.dg.com (Peter Z. Simpson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: DO YOU shower after a commute?
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:02:50 GMT
Organization: Data General Corp., Westboro, MA


    I'm lucky to have shower facilities at work, so yes, I do shower
after the 11.5 mi. ride in. If I didn't have the option, I'd probably
ride a bit less energetically. As it is, though, I can get a good
workout and still not alienate my co-workers :-)

--
  Peter Simpson, KA1AXY       (508) 870-9837  fax: (508) 898-4212
  Data General Corp.  E236    pzs@ficus.webo.dg.com [128.221.228.82]
  Westboro, MA  01580         #include  <std_disclaimer.h>   
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From: "Michael Smith" <p00004@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: roads & inconsiderate motorists
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:00:56 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>DATE:   Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:27:10 GMT
>FROM:   Thomas H. Kunich <tomk@netcom.com>
>
>In article <2926887784.3.p00004@psilink.com> p00004@psilink.com (Michael Smith) writes:
>>
>> [blood-curdling story of vehicular assault deleted]
>
>Come on! This was hit and run. If the cop wouldn't do anything all it
>would take is a trip down to the DA's office and the _insistance_
>that he write it up. You would have to press charges so you'd need
>some sort of proof, but a dented bike and possibly body are pretty
>strong evidence in court.

You may very well be right; I wasn't in a position to take the time off 
and find out just what, by Herculean efforts, I could bestir the drones 
of the Manhattan DA's office to do.

What I was really interested in hearing -- and this is why I made my original
response to your original post -- was whether you personally had 
actually had any success in getting DAs and such to do anything about 
motorist misbehavior. If so, it would be interesting, and 
useful, to hear the story.


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From: eli@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Elihu Lubkin)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: DO YOU shower after a commute?
Date: 30 Sep 1992 03:03:14 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

pwyc@cbnewse.cb.att.com (peter.w.chen) writes:
: 
: do you find
: showering facilities a big issue in bike commuting?  Is that more important
: than, say, better parking facilities and safer routes?
: ==
: Peter Chen
: pwyc@ihspa.att.com

     My trip is only 5 miles, too short to need to shower in
reasonable weather.  We just had one of the coolest summers on record
here in Milwaukee, so I didn't get to take advantage of my personal,
private, shower facilities: I only used them twice.
     I've recently been transferred to a building that used to house a
factory, so I have a locker room with about 50 lockers and one shower
all to myself: noone else uses it, not even for its lavatories; I
arrive in the morning, turn on the lights, lock my bike in the middle
of the locker room (a formality, since noone else ever comes to it),
change clothing, turn off the lights and leave; my soap hasn't even
changed angles since the last shower I took.  I'm hoping for some hot
weather next summer, so I really get to  appreciate this place.  (I'm
told that the men's locker room isn't quite so deserted).
      My ride is mainly along quiet parkways--until recently I would
ride it through actual park paths, but like most cities, Milwaukee has
become more dangerous in the past 3 or 4 years, so now I feel safer
with the light traffic I meet than with the possible surprises of the park.

                              Thelma
From: jbrandt@hplred.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: DO YOU shower after a commute?
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:37:52 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA

This subject has, for most people, a double conflict in that cleanliness
and bathing often is an American fetish.  The American house, with more
bathrooms than bedrooms, stands out as a reminder that we are of puritan
heritage and that "cleanliness is next to godliness" as the trite saying
reminds us.  This is taken more literally by the public at large than
might be apparent.  In some circles, admitting to bathing less than twice
per day would prove that the perpetrator either slept in a filthy bed or
was hiding a filthy body under his clothing.

To not bathe after physical exertion or even the appearance of physical
exertion is an ugly thought for many citizens.  Hence, I believe we
are not going to get a free discussion of the topic but rather a poll
of who is an individualist/pragmatist.  Suggesting that a bath after
bicycling can be omitted is similar to suggesting that a bicycle can be
ridden without a helmet (but different) although the consequences are
similar in that one is subsequently considered not clear on the concept.

So then I am not sure why this is an issue in the first place.  If this
causes BO problems then these should be resolved but other than that it
is a matter of personal comfort and manner of dress.  I for one, ride to
work in casual clothing and my pants seat bottoms wear out faster than I
would like.  We have showers but I don't feel the need to augment my home
bathing facilities with them.

RIde bike!

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Super light stuff
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:47:55 GMT
Reply-To: msw10@nepenthe.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article 28327@bmerh85.bnr.ca, paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter) writes:
>In one of the MTB mags this month there is a small excerpt
>questioning the safety of "light" bars equipped with bar
>ends.  It seems that there are some (they declined to mention
>which ones) cannot handle the clamping of over the bar ones
>and internal ones are even worse!
>
>Cheers...Stuart

The lightest, the Ritchey ProLite WCS (123gr), says that the expander type bar ends
cannot be used. The bar also comes with a warning that says you shouldn't do tricks
with the bar (like catch air). I have a Ritchey Prolite (140gr) with which I've crashed
at high speed and hit plenty of water burms (no FS) without a problem.

Of course, you can always go with the Ti bars, which should resist a thermonuclear war
and weigh ~170gr. Or a Carbon Fiber/Al bar from (Kestrel and NukeProof make some)
that are in the 150gr range and should be stronger than just a butted Al bar.

Michael Wong
msw10@amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc
From: nollert@nova.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de (Hans-Peter Nollert)
Subject: Re: DO YOU shower after a commute?
Organization: TAT (Theoretical Astrophysics Tuebingen), U. of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:33:18 GMT

pwyc@cbnewse.cb.att.com (peter.w.chen) writes:

>So, my question to those who live in other parts of the world: do you find
>showering facilities a big issue in bike commuting?  Is that more important
>than, say, better parking facilities and safer routes?
>==

I commute daily to the university, year round. There are no shower
facilities here, and I haven't missed them. My coworkers have never
complained (or made funny remarks, or something). But then again,
nobody (well, almost nobody...) has ever complained about my habit of
eating lots of garlic (at home, not at work, but the effect lasts a
while...), so maybe people are just polite...

On the other hand, a some of my coworkers, and certainly a lot of
students, come to the university by bike - and our department is on
the top of a fairly long hill. I myself have never noticed somebody 
smelling sweaty because they commute by bicycle.

My impression is that this whole thing of showering after having shed 
as much as a droplet of sweat is a typical American (pardon me, US)
issue... I certainly find safety, parking, scenic routes, etc., a
lot more important than shower facilities.

Hans-Peter
--
Lehr- und Forschungsbereich Theoretische Astrophysik (TAT),
Universitaet Tuebingen,  Auf der Morgenstelle 10,  D-7400 Tuebingen,   Germany
Tel.: 49-7071-295921     Telefax: 49-7071-295400   Telex: 726 2867 UTNA D    
nollert@tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de                PSI%45050260314::NOLLERT
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: alanf@cs.monash.edu.au (Alan Grant Finlay)
Subject: Re: effects of car exhaust?
Organization: Computer Science, Monash University, Australia
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 05:41:20 GMT

walvdrk_r@research.ptt.nl (Kees van der Wal) writes:

>Recently some tests have been done in Amsterdam. A comparison was made between 
>the amount of (not so healthy) fumes inhaled by cyclists and car drivers. The 
>cyclists breath more but the concentration at the side of the road and at the 
>level of his face are considerably lower than in the middle of the road. The 
>result was that car drivers inhale more toxic fumes than the cyclist. 

If that is true then why is it that I can't smell the fumes as strongly 
when I drive (windows closed) than when I cycle in the same traffic density?

	Alan Finlay
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: scoter@ntmtv.UUCP (Pat Thompson)
Subject: Re: Super light stuff
Originator: scoter@nmtvs12
Organization: Northern Telecom Incorporated
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:54:34 GMT

From article <de.t02Ka23Y201@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, by msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong):
> 
> Of course, you can always go with the Ti bars, which should resist a thermonuclear war


Don Myrah had a Ti bar snap on him in a race last month. He crashed hard 
and broke his collarbone.



------------------------------
Patrick Thompson
ntmtv!scoter@ames.arc.nasa.gov

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.tech
From: praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: computer attachments for cyclocomputer mounts?
Keywords: feasibility
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:05:31 GMT

In article <Bvo5AI.954@math.uwaterloo.ca> arpepper@math.uwaterloo.ca (Adrian Pepper) writes:
>Has anyone ever seen or made something to attach to the mounting
>bracket of a cyclocomputer which will allow a signal to be sent to some
>input port of a computer.  Then all manner of software could be written
>which could do everything from automatically recording logs to
>providing imaginary scenery and adversaries for roller riding.

  I should get you and Scott over to my house some time.  I have built such
a device a few years ago.  Except that I am attached to the fan of my trainer
(front wheel pickup on my bike so can't use it).  This gives me fast data that
is much more accurate than wheel counting.  However, it also means that I can
see (on a 'scope) the power strokes but I don't bother to gather data on it.
I also have a pickup for my heart rate moniter which I will hopefully make
wireless this winter.
  The big problem is inconsistancy of data.  The wheel-fan_spindle interface
seems to be not only lossy but highly variable in its loss.  The result is that
my time measurements vary by 5% or about 16% in power which compares very 
poorly with proper setups that are < 5% absolute accuracy and repeatable to
a few percent depending more upon the subject being tested.
  The interface for a IBM style computer is pretty simple and I chose to do
the hard stuff in software.  Right now I am looking at going over to OS/2
and the multitasking operating system requires that I offload my software
crafting to hardware.  Basically the only thing that you have to do is time
how long it takes between ticks from the wheel or HRM.  Measuring rev/sec by
actually counting the number of revs in one second is very inaccurate for
instanteous speed.  However, in my setup I don't have the power stroke problem
solved and so I get interference between the power stroke and the sampling
rate of the fan.  In all distance is accurate to something like 8 cm and
time to sub milliseconds.  This reminds me of measure with a micrometer, scribe
with chalk and cut with a chainsaw.  Yes I have reams of data but the only use
it has been is a record of my pulse and the type of training (TT vs interval
vs type of intervals) done.
  - Eric
From: ndrose@husc8.harvard.edu (Nathan Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Demise of the touring bike? (was re: Comments
Date: 27 Sep 92 11:54:33 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I recently did a tour of Great Britain, covering up to 80 mi. a day, pretty
heavily loaded (weighty recording equipment) on a Schwinn Crisscross. I
thought about getting a touring bike instead, but to me it's a significant
advantage to have an upright position--you can see more, which is the point
of touring, and also safer. i didn't find it uncomfortable. Also, there
are many bike trails that are not fully paved, and a little extra tread
goes a long way--I amy have been a little slower on-road, but when you're
touring, how much of a hurry are you in?

Nathan Rose
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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: roads & inconsiderate motorists
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:44:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.180004.6040@trintex.uucp> elr@trintex.uucp (Ed Ravin) writes:
>I don't know how many times Tom has been hit by cars, but
>the last thing you want to do after you're checking for broken bones and
>eyeing your trashed bicycle is to go on the warpath getting the cops,
>the D.A., and insurance company to do their jobs and recompense you for
>the wrong you've been done.

I hate to point this out but hit-and-run is a felony criminal case.
If you think that it is "going on the warpath" to get the DA and police
to respond to a felony then I suggest that you are certainly part of
the problem.
>
>Actually, according to Bicycling magazine, most insurance companies let
>bicycle accident claims go to jury trial, because juries tend to be
>more sympathetic to the motorist's side of the story.  As a matter of
>fact, it turned out that when you compared claims and awards for cyclists
>against claims for motorcyclists, even the motorcyclists got better
>treatment from juries than the bicyclists.

And did the statistics show how many of these cases were lost after 
the car driver was convicted of a felony involving the accident?

Do you understand the idea of criminal law? Or do you just believe that
none of this applies to you?

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From: calvin@lysator.liu.se (Chris Maluszynski)
Subject: Carbon - Is it worth it?
Organization: Dept of EE, University of Linkoping
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 15:14:23 GMT




Hi y'all.

I'm gonna be buying  Miyata mountainbike soon and I'm wondering if it really is worth the extra $200 to get a carbon frame instead of aluminum or steel.
The bike I'm looking at is the Miyata Sky Runner ( I think it's the equivalent of the Elevation 3000 in the states) and it's about $1400 with Carbon frame, and DX equipped (XT some parts).

	-Chris
From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Comments on Bridgestone?
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:05:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: novell.1992Sep28.160552.20842
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek

In article <BvAo4q.H7w@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
>
>>The only change I can remember is that they spec'd SunTour Superbe Pro
>>brakes.
>
>>The 8-speed RB-1 (the yellow one) is, I believe, full STI.
>>The '93 catalogue was available at the show (it was marked $5.20).
>Does the 7-speed still use Ultegra?  The Suntour brakes sound like a 
>good idea.  I'd prefer them over the Dia-Compe 300's on my bike.
>Did you see any pricing?  My borthers planning on getting an RB-1.   

The 7-speed model is, except for the brakes, the same as last year's.
Pricing is within a couple of percent of the 92 model.  The new catalogue
lists "price ranges" for each model.

>-Terry


--
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