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From: harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney)
Subject: Re: Fitness thoughts
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:12:19 GMT

mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
: Geez, you mean you haven't heard that people burn more fat exercising at
: a lower intensity?

I would agree that a person will derive a higher percentage of their
energy from fat at lower intensities, but I am not convinced that one
will use less total fat at higher intensities.

: When you start working out so hard that you are gasping,
: or unable to breath comfortably, you are at the anaerobic threshold.

Even assuming that one equates hard exercise with going beyond the AT,
there is no reason to believe that the aerobic metabolisms are blocked
at this higher intensity.  On the contrary, one's maximal oxygen use
(and thus the maximum output level of the aerobic metabolisms) will
occur at an exercise intensity beyond AT (i.e.  VO2max).  I don't
believe that the fat metabolism is blocked at high intensities, but
rather its power output represents a (much) smaller portion of the total
power produced.

: You are *not* burning fat if your muscle cells cannot get any oxygen.

This notion that the muscles are not getting any oxygen at or beyond AT
is ludicrous.  They are more likely receiving all the oxygen they are
capable of utilizing.  The anaerobic carbohydrate metabolism becomes
dominant when the power requirements of the exercise significantly
exceed the maximum possible level of the aerobic metabolisms.  This does
not mean the aerobic metabolisms are suddenly "shut off", but rather the
output of the anaerobic metabolism is added to their output.  Also note
that there are no hard dividing lines.  Your body doesn't max out the
fat metabolism and then turn on the aerobic carbohydrate metabolism, and
then turn on the anaerobic carbohydrate metabolism when the aerobic
mechanisms top out.  All of these metabolisms are working concurrently,
and the outputs of all of them will increase as the exercise intensity
increases.  The fat metabolism will reach it's peak output level at a
lower intensity than the aerobic carbohydrate metabolism, which will in
turn peak at a lower intensity than the anaerobic mechanism.

The body's adaptations to an exercise will partly depend on the
intensity of the exercise, and higher exercise intensities will likely
result in adaptations about which some individuals don't care.  Many
people are likely interested only in those adaptations which can be
gained at intensities up to the maximum output level of the fat
metabolism.  For these people there is no reason to put up with the
additional stress and pain of more intense exercise.  In addition,
limiting the intensity to a lower level will encourage the person to
exercise for longer periods of time, which will certainly be beneficial.
The difficulty comes in predicting this optimal intensity level, as it
will change significantly with fitness.

Harry Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com
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From: ingrid@wubios.wustl.edu (Ingrid Borecki)
Subject: Re: step Reebok
Organization: Division of Biostatistics, WUMS, St. Louis, MO
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:02:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.085214.15934@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au> ccloretta@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au writes:
>
>BTW - I've been stepping for the past year at high levels, with
>propulsions/weights and have experienced no problems.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Hope this helps,
>Loretta...

What are propulsions?

Thanks

-- 
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|       Division of Biostatistics             |  School of Medicine,   |
|        ingrid@wubios.wustl.edu              |  St. Louis, Missouri   |
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From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: cardiovascular improvement vs. fat-burning training
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:42:00 GMT

In article <180hoqINNgbi@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall) writes:
>
>What kind of training emphasizes an increase in cardiovascular
>strength without as much fat burning as a typical aerobic workout?
>
Interval training is very good for increasing CV fitness.  You do
an exercise for a short duration at a high intensity followed by
a recovery period at a lower intensity.  Repeat for 15+ minutes.  Note
that recovery does *not* mean stop exercising.

So for example, (run 1/4 mile, walk 1/4 mile) x 4.  Or 2 minutes at
level 15 on the Stairmaster followed by 2 minutes at level 7, and 
repeat.  Actually, most of the programmable machines have interval
programs built in.

This was just discussed a week or so ago, and the consensus was that
there should be a base of endurance work to avoid overstressing
joints and ligaments, etc.  You could proabably translate that to
mean, the more fit you are, the more intervals you can do.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
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From: tordm@vana (Tord G.M. Malmgren)
Subject: interleukin-1
Reply-To: TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:27:13 GMT


 hello! does anybody have any kind of info about this protein?? I know it's
s'posed to be involved in the healing process of your muscle-fibers, but is
it all clear? is it on dope-lists??





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 Tord Malmgren | InterNet: TordM@VanD.PhySto.SE | These opinions are my own,
               | BITNet  : TordM@SESUF51        | and NOT of this department!
---------------+--------------------------------
 Department of Physics, University of Stockholm
From: griffin@milton.u.washington.edu (Thomas Griffin)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Self-Image (was Re: General Fitness)
Summary: we have a bad one
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:00:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep2.190055.12565
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Sep1.192514.25676@sei.cmu.edu> aw@sei.cmu.edu (Anne Wulffraat) writes:
>Now I have a question for anyone who has read this far. Do you see a lot of
>eating disorders and low self-images where you work out? I'm particularly
>interested in this occurrence among men. It seems to be a trend among fitness 
>fanatics (evident even on the posts I've read here) to become intensely 
>focussed on one aspect of the fitness routine - i.e. body fat, perfect abs,
>weight, etc. and to lose the all-around focus necessary for real fitness.
>What do you think?
>
Of course one's self-image is a factor,
particularly as you get into the world of bodybuilding.
The Sam Fussell book, MUSCLE, that other posters have discussed,
brings this out. Fussell himself points to his low self-image
as a reason for becoming a body-builder.

Frankly, I don't think there is anything wrong with improving your
self-image and self-esteem through exercise and weight training.
If it works, why knock it? We all have our own private definitions
of >real< fitness.
From: stuart@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Peter Toich)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Stretching for shoulder muscle
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:20:52 GMT
Organization: Drexel U.- CCD-E4

What's up folks,

	About a year ago I was doing regular flys when my arm/shoulder gave out.  I
ending up dropping the weight b/c of the pain.  It went away however in a day
or two.  From that day on though the muscle in the top part of my shoulder
starts to hurt when doing benching and/or incline benching.  I was wondering if
there is any excercise and stretching that I can do for that muscle.  A few
friends who also lift, complain of pain in the same area so maybe this is a
common occurence.  I won't give an email address since other people may be able
to benefit from the information.

Thanxs

Pete Toich

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From: maurercj@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: GNC Health Care Products
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:10:47 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

I recently went into GNC thinking that it would be the place to go for
getting a competive price on vitamins and for other health care products.
I found the place to be a joke, I had to laugh and walk out when I seen
a bottle on the shelve called "Get Smarter Pills."  To top it off there 
were other such products along the improve your brain lines but, the
Get smarter pills were really the best :)
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: GOTTA HAVE IT
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:08:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Sep2.160844.2642
Organization: Western Washington University

mfuchs@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mike Fuchs) writes:

> ******************************************************************
> Does anybody out there subscribe to Muscle Magazine International?
> I'm looking for issues 121 and 122.  These two issues are suppose.to
> cover the new mass/muscle building supplementt called "Retibol".
> From what I understand it's effects are 75 % .of an anabolic steriod but
> without the .harmful.side affects. Fax me at 301 227-1795....(USA)
> or send them US mail:NSWC Carderock Div,Bethesda Md..20084 attn: M.
> Fuchs
>				       Thanks,I owe you one !

	The effects of "Retibol" are 75% of a sugar pill but without
all the calories.   A little more expensive though.

Jim Del Vecchio
From: cjp@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Casimir J Palowitch)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Tunturi Bike Parts?
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:25:16 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: cjp@unix.cis.pitt.edu


	Does anyone know where replacement parts can be acquired for a
Tunturi W2 Ergometer (exercise bike)?

	What I need is the small cylinder assembly that provides
resistance to the flywheel.

	I called the 800 number written on the bike frame but the number
was unavailable from my calling area.
	I think the bike is several years old, because I don't see it in
any catalogs or consumer reports, etc.  I got it second hand.

Casey Palowitch
cjp@unix.cis.pitt.edu

-- 
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**   cjp@unix.cis.pitt.edu         --    University Library System   **
**  cjp@icarus.lis.pitt.edu        --    G-72 Hillman, Pgh, PA 15260 **
**          Opinions expressed here are mine, *all mine*             **
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Chromium Picolinate: How does it work?
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:57:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug31.235734.29891
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Aug31.130557.934@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> sasmith@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
>> Can anyone explain why Chromium Picolinate is supposed to work?
>> That is, the claims are that it accelerates fat loss while maintaining
>> lean body mass. A problem with most calorie reduction plans, of course,
>> is that muscle is metabolized along with body fat.
>> So, what is going on inside the body that make Chromium Picolinate
>> work? (If indeed it does work)

Nothing.

>	   I'd also be interested in hearing if there are any known 
>       side effects (headaches, dehydration, etc). 

The maximum recommended dose of supplemental chromium is 200mcg, or
what is contained in one GTF or "chromium picolinate" tablet.  You
may assume at such a dose it is without side effects.  On the other
hand, you're not going to burn any more fat by taking it either.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: bagdy@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Mark Bagdy)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:10:28 GMT
Subject: Re: Calf/Vertical Jump Training
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: misc.fitness

Dr. Yessis (sp?)  is an avid proponent of the "plyometric training".  He 
is an authority on the (ex-)Soviet training methods using "explosive"   
responses.  I've heard him speak.  He's got a book out, don't know the 
title.

BTW, "plyometrics" isn't as much running down the stairs as it would be 
jumping down from the third stair and *immediately* or as fast as possible,
turning right around and leaping as far as possible straight up.  It's the
conditioning to force the muscle to "rebound" as quickly as possible.  
At least, that's my take on it.

It's OK as a specific training method - for a specific action for an athelete.
It typically is not a necessary part of a standard training regimen.

Enjoy.  MRB.
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From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: Fitness Thoughts
Organization: StorageTek, Louisville, CO
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:22:39 GMT

In article <2A994A35.14703@orion.oac.uci.edu> dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.080344.28886@edwards-vax.af.mil> becker@edwards-vax.af.mil writes:
>>
>>You do realize that for burning FAT you must find your target heart rate and
>>keep it at that rate for 20 minutes before your body begins to burn fat?
>>THat is why it is good to do a 40 minute aerobic workout twice a
>>day....gives you the best results.  Many people work up to one hour at a
>>time.  The heart rate is the key here, remember that.
>
>Hmmm.  I did not realize this.  How do you figure out your target heart rate?
>I am trying to lose 10 pounds right now.  I use the LifeStep machine.  I
>generally go for about an hour, but I don't have any idea about my heart
>rate...  Do those Casio heart monitor watches work?

How about a more general question: how do I maintain an effective metabolic
rate for losing fat during aerobic exercise?

Age-pulse tables will either be too high or too low for a large percentage of
the population. In _The New Fit or Fat_, Covert Bailey recommends a "talk
test" to get a good approximation of an appropriate aerobic range.

I'd recommend reading this book....it will give you a good foundation of
understanding to be effective in getting fit.

--phil
From: luden@lehigh.edu (Dean E. Nelson)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Massage creams for tired muscles
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:42:14 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University Computing Center

Does anyone have any favorite lotions, salve, oil, or cream that make a 
massage even better for tired muscles?  I would prefer to stay away from 
heavily odored concoctions.


Dean Nelson  den0@lehigh.edu
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From: acsiq@menudo.uh.edu
Subject: Tips on gaining bulk in chest/shoulder areas?
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:30:32 GMT

I would appreciate it if someone could give me some tips on increasing
mass in the chest and shoulders.  I'm hoping for diet as well as 
exercise information.  Also, are there any exercises for the neck?
Thanks to all in advance
From: loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Muscle by S. Fussell
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:05:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1992Sep2.193718.13729@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, ss8f@csissun5.ee.Virginia.EDU writes:
> Hi,
> 	Where can I get that book? At a regular bookstore? Who's the
> 	publisher? Any info. will be appreciated.
> 
> 	Thanks,
> 	Sanjay (ss8f@virginia.edu)

The book has been out for a couple of years in hardvcover, but has just recently
come out in paper back.  You should be able to find it in your local bookstore.
The publisher is Avon books division of the Hearst Corporation.  The hardcover
sells for about $18.00 and the soft cover $10.00.

-Rob
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From: roberts@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov (Don Roberts)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: I WAS ON ABC W/ADAM FOR TWO MIN
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:23:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
 >silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
 >>clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
 >>
 >>>How much better are you are armwrestling now than you were at it last
 >>>year?  Think you've improved enough that you could take me? :)
 >>
 >>I'd rip your arm off and eat it like a chicken leg.  :-)
 >
 >My God, Adam!  First you threaten to wrap an olympic bar around my
 >neck and now this!  Roid rage has caused Adam to begin to 
 >EAT HUMAN BEINGS!!  Come to your senses, man!  Human lives are
 >precious, and not to be eaten!  Think what the refs would do if
 >they caught you eating your opponents!  Come back to us, buddy!

I think Adam just wants a chance to armwrestle Jeffrey Dahmer while they're
cellmates...

	-- Don
--
 Dr. Donald W. Roberts
   University of California                                      Physicist
   Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory         Recreational Bodybuilder
   dwr@llnl.gov                                           Renaissance Dude
From: loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: MUSCLE by Samuel Fussell
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:22:35 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

If anyone is interested, there is a good book that just came out in paperback
called Muscle by Samuel Fussell.  
It is about a guy that goes from on Oxford University graduate to a steroid
using competitive bodybuilder/powerlifter.  He describes how his mentality and
his entire self changed due to the use of steroids and bodybuilding.
I would highly recommend it.

-Rob
From: hrandy@ocf.berkeley.edu (Shuhei Randy Hayashi)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Beginer question on Chest exercises
Date: 25 Aug 1992 18:34:32 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

Hello all,  this is my first post so please be patient.

I finally decided to start on my resolution to lift weights a
month ago.  I did bench press and incline press and have 
noticed good development on the lower part and the outer
part of the chest (the pecs?).

My question is how do I work the upper part, especially near
the middle.  As you can see, I do not know the proper terms,
so please be very explicit in your instructions.  BTW, I have
access to a modern gym with nearly all the basic equipments.

Thanks a lot.

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From: anurag@bnr.ca (Anurag Mehta)
Subject: beer guzzling v/s iron pumping!
Keywords: n
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP 
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:53:25 GMT

I've been told that the two don't jive well at all.
Will an occasional beer (or two!) come in the way of
me and them big muscles I badly want! 

Mucho THX!

ps: where can I find the FAQs for this group?
-- 
//Anurag Mehta		   //To err is human. 
//Internet: anurag@bnr.ca  //To really louse things up takes a computer.
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From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)
Subject: Re: DEFEND
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:28:27 GMT

In article <92246.153625WFP101@psuvm.psu.edu> BILL PHILLIPS <WFP101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>  Any one ever had any experience with the product called DEFEND which is
>supposed to allow one to pass a urinalysis if they are using anabolic steroids?
>Does this stuff really work?

you can always just go in for dialysis......

poobear


>
>==============================================================================
>===================================================== Bill (WFP101 @ PSUVM) ==
> "You spot them on the streets of the city      """  (Penn State University) "
>  and, increasingly, in the malls and parks     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  of the suburbs.  Sometimes they band          """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>  together.  Mostly, they walk alone.  Body-    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  builders.  You know the kind.  They strut     """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>  like no others, holding their elbows wider    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  than their shoulders, legs far apart.  I      """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>  know, I am one of them."
>==============================================================================
>


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From: barry@arnold.math.ucla.edu (Barry Merriman)
Subject: Re: MUSCLE by Samuel Fussell
Organization: UCLA, Mathematics Department
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 03:30:29 GMT

In article <17564@autodesk.COM> mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook) writes:

Just bear in mind that its about people with personality disorders, not
necessarily representative of the majority of weightlifters, or
evn the top weightlifters. I know first hand and second hand a number
of top powerlifters and top pro bodybuilders, and they by and large 
aren't like the folks in fussel's book. They are of course very dedicated,
and the bodybuilders do load on the drugs, but they are rather pragmatic
('its a career choice') about it.

Also, fussel was hardly an accomplished bodybuilder or powerlifter.
His powerlifting was pitiful (385 bench, ~600 lb squat @ 250 bodyweight)
( a good lifter would put 200 lbs on both those numbers; I can nearly
do those at 203 lb bodyweight), and his bodybuilding was better, but not  
remarkable for a guy who chowed on roids and did nothing but train for a 
couple years.

 
--
Barry Merriman
UCLA Dept. of Math
UCLA Inst. for Fusion and Plasma Research
barry@math.ucla.edu (Internet; NeXTMail is welcome)


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From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Setpoint Theory
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:38:30 GMT

Hi!  This is my first post in Misc.Fitness or any other group, I recently
discovered unix.  Please excuse my mistakes.  I really like this group,
I've learned a lot just from reading the posts and I've been a fitness buff
for years.

My question for anyone who knows involves set point theory.  Basically I
was lighter in my younger days, now at 27 I cant get below 195lbs.  I think

I've been doing everything I can do.  I do aerobic exercise 6 times a week, lifttwice a week, avoid all junk food, and consume only 20 grams of fat a day.  Im c
comphortable in my routine but I would like to lose fat.  The more exercise I
do the hungrier I get and I stay at 195.  I think I hit my bodies setpoint.
I've heard you can only fight this so much.  

I remember a couple years back in a muscle mag that some people believe that as
far as your setpoint goes your body dosent care between muscle or fat as far as
weight goes as long as it is there.  Is this true?  If my body is determined to
have me weigh no less then 195lbs could I substitute a few of those pounds of
fat for muscle by going on a muscle building routine?


Thanks 

Steve R
:x

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