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From: dmf@aber.ac.uk (Darren Michael Forbes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Alien^3: religious and pre-modern
Date: 7 Sep 92 08:51:29 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

>>Indeed, Alien seems particularly inspired by the Draculean myth, what with
>>the monster that pseudo-sexually impregnates its victims (instead of just
>>chomping them to death) and is devilishly hard to kill. (And even in
>>Aliens,
>>there are other similarities, such as the motive of the isolated village
>>haunted by Evil.)
>
>	One of my main objections to this kind of thing is that it appears
>to me that people go WAY too far in order to find these kind of
>interpretations. Only a rather rabid Freudian would find much sexual about
>the Alien. Dracula is a bit more understandable, since he's kissing you
>to death and at least acts and appears male and human, but the Alien shares
>none of these traits. If, of course, you really believe that any long,
>rigid object is penis imagery and any hole is vaginal imagery, fine, but
>I think that's ridiculous. As Sigmund himself said, "Sometimes a cigar
>is just a cigar."
>
>
   Well Geiger himsef considered the Alien to be something of a sexual
horror.  In fact quite a proportion of his work is loaded with
deliberate sexual imagery.
   I've read a couple of articles concerning the sexual horror of Alien
and, though it's easy to go too far in interpretation, I think that
it does exist.

BTW: I actually got to see Alien^3 over the weekend and I think that it
was OK.  It had quite a few flaws (some serious) but I don't think
that I wasted my #1.75 ($3.50).  I think that it was the least
enjoyable of the three but I think that it's about time we had
a film with an unhappy ending.  Perhaps I was just in a grim mood.

Darren.

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From: Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev)
Subject: Re: Plot holes in Alien^3 (*S
Organization: In Effect Enterprises
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:22:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.185916.25214@walter.bellcore.com>, kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner) writes:
> 
> 
> In article <1992Sep8.182208.28014@tandem.com>, Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:
> |> 
> |> No, the clear implication (and this is supported rather than contradicted by
> |> non-canonical references) is that the first one got hurt and maybe even killed
> |> when the glass broke. Which brings us to two more brain-dead mistakes:
> |> 1) The instinct of the f'hugger would've been to sear through the glass, not
> |>    melt it.  Did these people even watch _Alien_?
> |> 2) The fact that it broke through seamless, curved, Strong glass like the 
> |>    cryotube implies fantastic strength.  Again: there's no way Ripley could've
> |>    held one of those off with her bare hands.  Either through brute force or
> |>    with acid, it would've gotten to her Very quickly.
> |>  
> 
> Let's try some physics.
> 
> Broke the glass or "seared through it"?  How would you suggest that the
> little beastie summoned up the FORCE to break the glass?  Force is mass
> times acceleration.  Can't weigh very much, can it?  Hopping up and down
> on the glass sure wouldn't break it.  Either it's strength
> comes from tremendous "arm" speed (which would tend to pull itself up off
> the glass:  action/reaction, unless it was adhering to the glass), or it
> pushed off something (like the ceiling) with tremendous speed.  Doubtful
> on both counts.

Let's try some common sense.
I suggest nothing. . .everything I said came from the movie, articles about
it, or the novelization.  While the novel is not canon, here it supports 
what is hinted at on-screen, so it's foolish to assume differently. Namely,
the f'hugger broke through the glass of the cryotube. If this is implausible
to you, then we must simply agree to disagree.  No big deal.
But for the record. . .
Your description of the physics of the tube shattering is confusing to me,
and confusing to your argument. . .are you trying to say that it would 
not be able to generate sufficient force without incredible strength? This
was, essentially, my point.  To break the glass, the things would have to
be insanely strong.

> What's to stop the glass from shattering after being damaged by acid?

Let's try some chemistry. 
Glass doesn't shatter after being "damaged by acid."  This is what I meant by
"seared" through it. . .the acid would just melt a hole through the tube, as
it did through Kane's helmet.  Recall also that it happened Very quickly in
the first movie, as the f'hugger attached to Kane. . .but that's a plot hole
for another time. . .

Kevvy Kev
"The entire world revolves around this wretched Alien."
 -H.R. Giger
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From: MLINDROOS@finabo.abo.fi (Marcus Lindroos INF)
Subject: Time for rec.arts.sf.ALIEN !!!
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:30:00 GMT
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Starting a dedicated newsgroup for the Aliens triology(sp) looks like the only
sensible solution. Face it: there are four "classic" space-based
SF movie series - Star Wars, Star Trek, Alien and 2001/2010. At least they're
the ones that have spawned sequels, been huge smash hits around the world
and (that true measure of superstardom) have newsgroups of their own.
OK, 2001/2010 may be the exception but Alien should DEFINITELY have a 
discussion forum of its own. Fans of the films like myself will be delighted 
to have all the related stuff in one place, while those who can't stand Alien 
won't have to browse through dozens of Aliens postings a day. If "the Aliens"
move out of r.a.sf.movies, there would be lots of room for other material. 

The more newsgroups, the better! 
MARCU$

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From: bill@mathnx.math.byu.edu (Bill Smith)
Subject: Blade Runner
Organization: Brigham Young University -- Mathematics Department
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 21:01:57 GMT
Keywords: send spoilers!

If you have seen the new DC of Blade Runner, would you mind sending
your impressions to me about it?  Especially the things that differ
from the first theatrical release?  Or, you could post with 
appropriate warnings -   Thanks
-Bill

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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Startrek VI - the video
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:18:40 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1473@frackit.UUCP> dmav@frackit.UUCP (Dave Mavretic) writes:
>In article <11210002@iftccu.boeing.com>, nebres@iftccu.boeing.com (Dan Nebres) writes:
>> I rented Startrek VI last weekend and saw a changed to a part of the
>> movie.  When the Klingon falls from the second floor and dies, the blood
>> is red, then a mask is pulled off revealing a human.  Was this edited in
>> to the video, because I don't remember this in the movie.
>
> Huh? Where did you rent that movie?  I would recommend you check it out
>through them! There is something not so right in that at all!
> As I type, I am fast forwarding through the first of two tapes I have
>of this movie. The first (the one that is fast forwarding now), is the
>movie itself, exactly as the studio sold it to a hotel chain, for their
>clients.
> It is uncut and unchanged from the movie I saw at the theater. As I am
>watching that part now, I see that there is some red blood, but no
>redder than the klingon blood earlier in the movie. There is no mask
>pulled away.

   Ummm.....  wasn't the Klingon blood a pinkish color?  

> The second one is fast forwarding now. It is a copy of the one I rented
>from a national video rental chain, and copied on my vcr's. On this
>tape, I see it is the same as the movie as well.
> I don't know what was wrong with the tape you had. But I would check it
>out with the company you rented it from, and let them know what's up!!

I don't know.   When I rented STVI, it had those additional scenes in it
as well (Col. West detailing the plan to break out Kirk and McCoy, West
revealed as the assassin).  In fact, I've seen STVI advertised as having
two additional minutes of footage in the videotape version.  Maybe
you should check out your store, and let them know what's up!  You
might be missing out on something here!
From: sdt8s@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: STVI LD version vs. VHS
Date: 10 Sep 92 02:44:59 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

kuchar@buast7.bu.edu  writes:
> In article <1992Sep8.164637.28800@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ckt4x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Curt Tsui) writes:
> >Recently a friend of mine found that the package for the laser
> >disc version of Star Trek VI has over three minutes of extra
> >footage, versus the two minutes of the video.  I've seen the
> >video, but what about the laser disc?  Does anyone know what
> >the extra minute plus of footage not on the video is?
> 
> I have the LD version. From the discussion in this and other news
> groups, there appears to be no difference in LD and VHS versions.  In
> all fairness, I haven't seen the VHS version.  Why the discrepency?
> Who knows? Perhaps two different companies did the LD and VHS version,
> one rounded up the time of the added footage, the other rounded down ;-).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tom Kuchar			  
> kuchar@buast7.bu.edu		  -or-                      kuchar@plh.af.mil
> Department of Astronomy		                     Phillips Laboratory/GPOB
> Boston Univerity		                                  Hanscom AFB

I'm the friend to which Curt so adroitly alluded. What I want
to know is this, and it's very simple:

1. What's the extra footage on the LD that wasn't in the
theatrical release?

2. Why the dsicrepancy? (I must say, "rounding off" a minute
and a half seems a bit extreme.) Oh, yeah, sorry: DISCREPANCY.

3. Also, Paramount did both the LD and VHS versions. So what's
the deal? WHAT HAPPENS IN THE LD THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THE
THEATRICAL RELEASE?

I hate to sound grouchy, but ye gads....has nobody bought the
disc?

Frantically,
Steve
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From: edd151s@nella1.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr I.P. Rayner)
Subject: Re: Books into Movies? How about Harry Harrison?
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 02:52:41 GMT

On the subject of Harrison -> movies.

`Make Room! Make Room!' was made into a movie called `Solent Green' with
Charlton Heston.  Of course the film version was only vaguely reminiscent
of the novel.

Anyone know of any others?

Ivan Rayner


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From: joses@cs.tamu.edu (Power Slave)
Subject: What ever happened to Robocop 3?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 02:55:13 GMT


Does anybody know what ever happened to the film Robocop 3?
Last I heard was that the movie had been finished filming but
where not sure if they where going to release it.

Anybody have any info?


--
	Jose Salinas		|	"Religion is the opiate of the
	joses@cs.tamu.edu	|	 masses"  - Karl Marx
	Texas A&M University	|
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From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo)
Subject: Re: Has the new BLADERUNNER movie come out yet??
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:42:05 GMT
Organization: Inter/Access' Matrix BBS

In article <92248.090857U52025@uicvm.uic.edu> U52025@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>
>I watch Jay Leno this week and saw Roger Hauer(SP?) promoting the new BLADERUNN
>ER movie. I was wondering when it will come out and also how much different is
>this movie to that of the old one?

The new director's cut of BLADERUNNER premiers (here in Toronto) on Wed
Sept. 9th at the amazing Elgin Theatre. This is part of the huge Festival
Of Festivals that happens every September here.  It will only play twice (?)
at the festival and I have no idea when it will be shown in regular first
run theatres.  (Some things that premier at the Festival can take almost
a whole year to come out in regular run)

Rumoured spoilers for the Director's Cut of BLADERUNNER:


These are things I've heard on the net mostly:

NO narration (y'know......Harrison Ford's voiceover)

NO 'happy' 'sappy' ending (apparently, the suit's view on what the public
wants is different now - they wholeheartedly sanction a much darker ending)

MORE clues that Decker is indeed a replicant.

These are rumours that have been way more substantiated recently (by various
magazine articles etc)

ferenc
From: ckt4x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Curt Tsui)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Query: Unicorn in Blade Runner
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:45:36 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

brigid@geovax.ed.ac.uk writes:
> If this new director's cut of Blade Runner contains the dream
> sequence with the unicorn, can anyone tell me if these shots
> were unused footage filmed for the original or were they filmed 
> specially for this version? 

They were unused footage. 
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From: Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev)
Subject: Re: I think Alien^3 has been flogged to death.
Organization: In Effect Enterprises
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:16:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.223655.2541@tandem.com>, Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Sep7.200416.29032@u.washington.edu>, daynem@byron.u.washington.edu (Dayne Miller) writes:
> > 
> > In article <Bu71wq.Lpv@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
> > >
> > >     I've noticed that this newsgroup tends to flog a dead horse until
> > >     all you've got left are bones and hair.  
> > >
> > >        re: Alien^3
> > >        ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!
> > >
> > >        Let's not make this another Terminator2, shall we?
> > 
> > Sir, as I see it you have three options:
> > 
> >   1) unsubscribe from this newsgroup
> >  
> >   2) learn to use a KILL file
> > 
> >   3) bring up some other subject that might interest others
> > 
> > 
> >      -Dayne Miller
> >         daynem@u.washington.edu
 
I hope I don't offend anyone, but I'm genuinely curious: why do a large number
of posts on any one topic offend people?  I finally had to ask, because there
is a recurring pattern: people start talking about a movie, it generates one
or more long threads, other people complain, the complainers are then told to
use a killfile or unsubscribe.  All this makes me wonder:
 
1) No one ever answers the question, "why not learn to use a Kill file."  So
   I'm asking it again, in semi-open forum: Why do those of you who are 
   annoyed by certain articles continue to read them?  If you can't use a 
   killfile, what is the problem with paging past them?  I'm using an 
   application called "NewsWatcher" on a Macintosh, which doesn't have 
   killfiles, but when I see a thread I'm not interested in, I don't get
   angry. . .I just don't read any of the articles.  I'm sorry to ramble,
   but again, I'm honestly curious.
 
  2) Could this be put in the FAQ?  Something along the lines of, "Don't complain
     if you see articles you don't want to read. . .just ignore/kill them."

  Okay.  In our inflectionless medium here, I'm sure I've offended somebody; 
  so be it.  But I'd really just like to hear from some of you who are annoyed
  at the threads you don't like.  
  
Kevvy Kev
 "No firing.  Flame units only."
  -Gorman
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From: kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman)
Subject: Re: DROP THE DISCUSSION OF ALIENS ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:41:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.065606.29245@mel.dit.csiro.au> gre253@mis.csiro.au (Steven Green) writes:
>EVEN KILL FILES DONT HELP !
>THESE BLOODY THREADS POP UP FASTER THAN YOU CAN KILL 'EM !

Gosh Stevie, here's an idea for you. Don't kill the whole subject line. Kill
the words "ALIEN" and "Alien".

I still don't understand why some people would rather take the time to send out
email spoiling other people's fun then to use their tools properly. My theory
is they they want to show off how clever they are. "Oh..still discussing that..
how passe."

Michael



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 kaufman        | fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in
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                | lost in time - like tears in rain. Time to die.     Roy Batty 
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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Re: A Spell For Chameleon
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 22:31:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.171738.5463@pellns.alleg.edu> defon@yoyodine.edu wri
es:
>   Several years ago, I saw a small paragraph in "Starlog" magazine  
>concerning a movie adaptation of Piers Anthony's fantasy novel  "A Spell
 
>For Chameleon".  However, I've never heard anything else about it.  I'm 

>assuming the project was cancelled.   Does anybody else know more about 

>this?


I believe that in BIO OF AN OGRE, Piers Anthony said that the German
company that had planned to do the animation had backed out for some
reason.  You might want to take this to Alt.fan.piers-anthony.

---Chris Meadows
From: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Alien^3: religious and pre-modern
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:15:44 GMT
Reply-To: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)

news@pitt.edu (USENET News System) writes...

> 	One of my main objections to this kind of thing is that it appears
> to me that people go WAY too far in order to find these kind of
> interpretations. Only a rather rabid Freudian would find much sexual about
> the Alien.

   I think the point that the original poster may have been making is
that often nowadyas people do not go far enough to find deep meanings,
allegories, interpretation or whatever in a film. Alien 3 did not bear
the "Predictable: Made in Hollywood" rubber stamp that Aliens displays
in full view, so it is immediately dismissed as "bad". Of course if you
want to read films at face value and judge them by the colour of their
mind blowing effects/set pieces/action whatever, that's fair enough.
Other people have their own preferences. I myself am fairly neutral
about Alien 3, I liked some it, I disliked other bits of it: but I
admire Espen for saying what he read into the film (and he looked deeper
than you, that's for sure) and I find some these points interesting
enough to make me want a second look at A3. I agree that non-US
audiences will probably like it more than US audiences (see and old post
I made saying exactly this) and it is possibly because the viewer has to
do a little more work on his own than say someone watching Terminator 2
or Aliens does.
   I prefer "Aliens" to the other 2 films. But only because of its
Hollywood blockbuster feel. The effects. The superbly realised action
sequences. The hardware. The effects. The set pieces. the effects. See?
I love the film, but compared to something like "Citizen Kane" or "The
Player", it's a piece of shit. Terminator 2 is the same. So is: Batman,
Die Hard, Star Wars, Raiders of the Lost Ark etc etc. Hollywood has
effectively blinded people with blockbusters: bigger and bigger all the
time. Don't get me wrong...I love them all, but not to the extent that
unless a film bears the "Predictable: Made in Hollywood" stamp I won't
give it the time of day.

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From: dododge@wam.umd.edu (David O. Dodge)
Subject: Re: Blade Runner Director's Cut (SPOILERS)
Keywords: blade runner ridley scott director cut film
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:30:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.004216.27090@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> kachun@astro.as.arizona.edu (Ka Chun Yu) writes:
>In article <1992Sep12.100616.5632@wam.umd.edu> dododge@wam.umd.edu (David O. Dodge) writes:
>>The sound editing where the voiceovers were taken out isn't always
>>perfect. Especially the first one when Deckard is reading the newspaper.
>>Some of the later edits are very smooth.
>
>That part was kind of neat:  you finally heard everything that the adverti-
>sing blimp was spouting.

Are you sure? In the DC it switches to something like "this announcement
brought to you by" using a different voice than the normal blimp voice,
but in the old version the blimp keeps talking in it's normal voice while
Deckard's voiceover is going on. IMO this was the worst of the new
sound edits. It was too noticable.

Or maybe I just wasn't paying close enough attention, I don't know...

                                           -Dave Dodge/dododge@wam.umd.edu
From: bjs2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BENJAMIN JAY SCHRAGGER)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: HELP!JURASIC PARK
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:48:28 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

HELP!?  I am a graduate Student at Lehigh University.  I am in and work for
the Educational Technolgy Center.  More spcificly the Mulit-Media Lab and we
have a Mulit-Media Program Called Digital Dinosaurs.  Here is my poblem does
anybody know some we could reach who is working on Steven Speilbergs Jurasic
Park we know from VARITY that the filming is presently under way.  But we hear
the Universal Studios is looking at Expanding the Film into a full fleged But
(animtophic not Gentic) Theme ParK, we figiured that the park builders might
be interisted in this.  You should see this thing it uses DVI (don't ask) to
Display Video from the hard drive.   I know that I might be a little off
course asking for this information here.  But we are all movie watchers, I
figured I could get lucky.  THANK YOU for your assitance.
BEN
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