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From: IFF118@DJUKFA11.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: PEACEMAKERS vs. amateur radio
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:18:47 GMT
Organization: Forschungszentrum Juelich

look at: Safety of people with implanted pacemakers in
         elestromagnetic fields, Hansen et al., Progress
         in radiation protection-FS-91-55-T, Aachen/FRG
         Okt.1992

         Electromagnetic Compatibility of Cardiac Pace-
         makers, Meclenburg, Proceedings Cardiostim '90,
         Nice, Juli 1990

contact me for further details

Piotr, DH0 KPS ex SP6 MLD
From: bt233@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gary L. Hudeck)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Foreign Postage
Date: 18 Nov 1992 01:05:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


 
 
 
 
I understand there are dealers who offer foreign postage
at close to face value for use as return postage.  I am 
interested in UK stamps.  I would appreciate it if anyone
could provide me with the name of such a dealer or dealers.
Thanks.
 
 
Gary Hudeck
Cleveland OH
From: k2ph@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (The QRPer)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Unknown Prefix
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:40:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsj.1992Nov16.214015.3524
Distribution: na
Organization: QRM Central

From article <8668@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, by pwang@mott.seas.ucla.edu (Paul K.C. Wang):
> During the recent CQWW DX contest, I worked the following stations
>   S51DB, S59DBC, S52AA, S58AB, S51MA, S59DRM and S57DX.
> Could anyone tell me what is the DXCC country corresponding to these
> stations? All I know is that they are in Zone 15.
>  Many thanks. 

S5 is the prefix for Slovenia.  However, right now it counts for
the DXCC country of Yugoslavia (until the ARRL Awards Committee
decides to change it).

-- 
=====================================================
Bob Schreibmaier K2PH  | UUCP:     ...!att!mtdcr!k2ph
AT&T Bell Laboratories | Internet: k2ph@mtdcr.att.com
Middletown, N.J. 07748 | ICBM:     40o21'N, 74o8'W
From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Usefulness of Morse Code
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:30:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Department of Computing Sciences

In article <1992Nov10.174254.20403@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, feg@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (forrest.e.gehrke) writes:
|> In article <11247@platypus.uofs.uofs.edu> bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
|> >
|> >Isn't amazing how none of the arguments for REQUIRING Morse Code hold
|> >water??
|> 
|> 
|> Any water held by this argument? Ever try communicating by phone 
|> with a 500 Hz bandpass?  And think about how many such narrow
|> band passes can be accommodated in a given frequency band?
|> 

My statement still stands.  No one said that CW should be gotten rid of.
I am only saying that there is NO justification for making CW the single
disqualifying factor in the license exam.  It should rank no higher than
any other single facet of the test.  

And as far as your 500hz bandpass, I used to work a lot of stations with
a 200hz filter.  No, I wasn't using CW either, I was using 170hz FSK.  So
bragging about running CW in 500hz doesn't mean much either.  

bill   KB3YV

-- 

     Bill Gunshannon          |        If this statement wasn't here,
     bill@cs.uofs.edu         |  This space would be left intentionally blank
                              |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>
From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Famous or well known HAMS
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:48:35 GMT
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA

I have a list of notable call-signs - I'll post it here when I get
a chance.  I did suggest an award once - Worked All Notable Calls -
for some reason, it didn't catch on...

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@esi.COM.AU                ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave
           Disclaimer: "Me, speak for us?"
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: erik@peewee.nwc.navy.mil (Erik van Bronkhorst       Code 3814                               Phone 939-1421)
Subject: Re: New Icom tribander HT
Organization: NAVAIRWARCENWPNDIV, China Lake
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:47:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.023705.23570@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mwgordon@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Gordon) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.004904.25156@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sschend@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve E Schendel) writes:
>
>>It's suppose to be available in Jan '93 and list for in the $800 dollar range.
>>It was neat seeing the 146.97  444.95  1296.5 on the display.
>
>Jan '93?  Looks like Icom shot themselves in the foot again.  Why would they
>want to write themselves out of the Christmas market when they have what looks
>to be the hottest HT on the market?
>
>Mike Gordon   N9LOI 99681084@uwwvax.uww.edu
>

Sure wish there was someone who could afford to buy me an $800 xmas present :-)

-- 
Erik van Bronkhorst KC6UUT DoD#4342585443 AMA#[classified]
"Truth is false and logic lost, now the fourth dimension is crossed..."
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: gws
Subject: ARRL Bulletin 101  ARLB101
Organization: HAM BBS, 614-895-2553 
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 01:18:12 GMT


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| 	Automatic relayed from packet radio via              | 
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==============================================================

ZCZC AG24
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 101  ARLB101
>From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  November 11, 1992
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB101
ARLB101 Exam changes aired

The ARRL has filed reply comments on an FCC notice of proposed
rulemaking (in PR Docket 92-154) that would have Novice class
license examinations be administered only by the Volunteer Examiner
Coordinator (VEC) program, which now administers all other license
class examinations.  The League sought to address concerns about the
availablilty of examination opportunities in sparsely populated
areas and to clarify that General class licensees would be eligible
to administer novice exams within the VE system.

At the time of the NPRM, the FCC noted its burden in dealing with an
application error rate of 9.4 percent for Novices as compared to
only 0.8 percent for VE-administered examinations, and said it
believed that bringing Novice exams under the VEC system would be in
the public interest, saying the VEC system ''has demonstrated both
its efficiency and its integrity.''

The League noted that its original proposal, with which the FCC's
NPRM is similar, was based on three conclusions:

1. Since the elimination of the Morse code requirement from the
Technician class license the number of Novice examinations
administered has decreased;

2. That the VEC program is capable of assimilating Novice
examinations;

3. That the large number of new Technician class licensees in 1992
in particular indicates that examinations are in general widely
available.

The League concluded that there is no longer justification for
having a different system for Novice examinations because the Novice
class is now one of two entry-level license classes (the Technician
class already is VEC-administered) and that the Novice class
includes many more operating privileges than it did when the subject
was last considered, in 1983.

More information is in September QST, page 116.
NNNN
From: rc@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov (Robert Carpenter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Famous Hams
Date: 18 Nov 92 12:30:25 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology
	formerly National Bureau of Standards
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

A number of people have claimed that the "James Stewart" in the ham data base
is not a famaous actor. I suspect that they are WRONG. The real name of
Stewart Granger is James Stewart - he had to take another name when going into
the movies, since his actual name was already taken!  It seems to me that he
is about the right age.

My Info-Hams is focusing on important matters these days. Oh for the good old
days of the "can I order pizza by ham radio?" discussion.

73, Bob W3OTC
From: JMG%TNTECH.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu (Jeff M. Gold)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Schurr Paddles/Mag. Paddle Rev.
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:59:33 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

I have had some direct mail requests, and have seen a
posting asking for this information:

Paddle review- 73 Magazine December 1992

*Their are a few pictures of the mini paddles I wrote about.
I disagree with the author.  I still think you can't beat
the mini paddles for mobile (he liked the Vibroplex Brass
Racer).

Schurr:

        Dipl.-Ing. Klaus G. Gramowski
        Kaiserin-Augusta-Allee 91
        D-1000 Berlin 10


73s
Jeff, AC4HF
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: gws
Subject: ARRL BULLETIN 106  ARLB106
Organization: HAM BBS, 614-895-2553 
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 01:17:59 GMT


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| 	Automatic relayed from packet radio via              | 
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==============================================================

ZCZC AG29
QST DE W1AW
ARRL BULLETIN 106  ARLB106
FROM ARRL HEADQUARTERS
NEWINGTON CT  NOVEMBER 17, 1992
TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS

THE FCC HAS SUSPENDED THE AMATEUR AND COMMERCIAL OPERATOR LICENSES
OF THOMAS M. HAYNIE, WB4PVK, AS WELL AS REVOKED HIS AMATEUR STATION
LICENSE.

IN SEPTEMBER, 1990, HAYNIE, OF VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA, WAS
CONVICTED OF DELIBERATELY CAUSING INTERFERENCE TO A COMMUNICATIONS
SATELLITE (A FELONY) AS WELL AS OF A CRIMINAL VIOLATION FOR THE
UNAUTHORIZED OPERATION OF A SATELLITE TRANSMITTER.  HE RECEIVED A
SUSPENDED SENTENCE, A 1,000 DOLLAR FINE, AND WAS ORDERED TO PERFORM
50 HOURS OF PUBLIC SERVICE WORK.  THE CONVICTION WAS WAS UPHELD BY
AN APPEALS COURT IN AUGUST, 1991.

ON JULY 31, 1992 THE FCC ORDERED THE LICENSE SUSPENSIONS AND
REVOCATION, AND NOTIFIED HAYNIE OF HIS RIGHT TO A HEARING ON THE
SUSPENSION ORDERS.  HAYNIE RESPONDED WITH A LETTER TO THE FCC
PRIVATE RADIO BUREAU, IN WHICH HE DID NOT ASK FOR RECONSIDERATION OF
THE SUSPENSION OF HIS COMMERCIAL LICENSE BUT DID ARGUE FOR RETAINING
HIS AMATEUR ADVANCED CLASS OPERATOR AND STATION LICENSES.

ACCORDING TO THE FCC, HAYNIE MADE SEVERAL AGRUMENTS IN SUPPORT OF
HIS REQUEST, SAYING THAT HE IS NOT A HABITUAL OFFENDER THAT SINCE
HIS CONVICTION HE HAS NOT VIOLATED ANY FCC RULES AND THAT HIS
CONVICTION WAS NOT AMATEUR RADIO RELATED.

HAYNIE ALSO SAID THAT HE HAS PROPERLY OPERATED HIS AMATEUR STATION
FOR MORE THAN 25 YEARS AND THAT HE OBTAINED HIS LICENSE AT AN EARLY
AGE, CHERISHES IT DEARLY, AND WOULD DO EVERYTHING IN HIS POWER TO
ADHERE TO THE RULES IN THE FUTURE.  HE ALSO ARGUED THAT REVOCATION
OF HIS STATION LICENSE WOULD NOT BE IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE
PUBLIC BECAUSE OF THE ROLE AMATEUR OPERATORS CAN PLAY DURING TIMES
OF DISASTER.

THE FCC FOUND HAYNIE'S ARGUMENTS UNPERSUASIVE, CALLING HIS
INTERFERING WITH A COMMUNICATIONS SATELLITE EGREGIOUS CONDUCT, AND
AFFIRMED THE OPERATOR LICENSE SUSPENSIONS FOR THEIR REMAINING TERMS,
AS WELL AS REVOCATION OF HIS WB4PVK STATION LICENSE.
NNNN

Relayed from W1AW to packet with BID $ARLB106 by KD3OA@KD3OA.PA.USA.

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: dstock@hpqmoca.sqf.hp.com (David Stockton)
Subject: Re: Usefulness of Morse Code
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:02:32 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard LTD, South Queensferry, Scotland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

   Gary said that considering weak signal work the major area to strive
for was the DX'er mentality. Surely this is the exact opposite of
reality... All those DX'ers are striving for big amplifiers bigger beams
and the biggest signals :-)


  The DX'er mentality is not a very nice thing at all:
     Only rubber stamp contacts
     Only prepared to contact stations which are rare enough
     Always ready to insult anyone else who tries to work them
(particularly beginners and those demonstrating to visitors..)
     Bands filled with high power stations all calling CQ in the hope
that something rare will show up.


   Sure, there are some who chase DX, yet do so in a gentlemanly
fashion, but the vocal majority have made the tag "DXer" an insult.

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: mac20@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael A Cecere)
Subject: Re: Need first date of an old Call: WA2SDY  Syracuse Univ. ARC
Keywords: Call book, old calls
Reply-To: mac20@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael A Cecere)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:41:11 GMT

But the FCC must keep track of original license dates becuase i'm an
 "Old-fashioned tech and need to send away to the FCC to prove it.
otherwise i'll need to take the generalwritten test again instead
of just the 13 wpm.
Is this right or am i under a misconception someplace?

Mike
WB2ZLW
***********************************************
**** "Of course TV is a medium,            ****
***    It's not rare,                       ***
***     And it's certainly not well done."  ***
From: alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:16:08 GMT
Subject: Re: Capacitor For Small HF Loop Antenna
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, wvanhorn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William E Van Horne) writes:

>Recent postings concerning home-built small HF loop antennas have
>discussed tuning capacitors.  All have mentioned the need for VERY
>low resistance throughout the loop and split-stator capacitors have
>been recommended to avoid problems with contact resistance.

>Nobody has mentioned a solution derived from an article in one of
>the two ARRL ANTENNIA COMPENDIUM publications. ...  It described
>a motorized variable capacitor made from two plates with sheet
>glass as the dielectric.  ...

The key to the split-stator capacitor is not the value of the
capacitance, but the fact that no wiping contact is needed.
It's the wiper that causes the unwanted series resistance.

AL N1AL
From: a-kevinp@microsoft.COM (Kevin Purcell, Rho)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Digital modes with EME
Date: 20 Nov 92 04:32:23 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

Reading some of the previous Morse messages (the comments was like "you
will end up using morse for EME, auroura, weak signal, etc" at > 30MHz
-- which is a reasonable point, especially for aurora (how much doppler
do you get off aurora? I can work that one out when I get home!)) I
suddenly wondered "has anybody used other digital modes for EME. I have
heard of people using SSB (but I have no references). And modes like
Amtor witll work down to -10dB S/N.

Has anyone done this? What are the problems peculiar to this? Do you
get pulse spreading due to the curvature of the moon that would cause
problems? could you deconvolute this if it were a problem? What
about periodicity of fading (due to Farady rotation, for example)?

First guess is you wouldn't need a better installation than that for Morse.

73 de Kevin Purcell N7WIM/G8UDP (Seattle, WA)          a-kevinp@microsoft.com
Do your interests match mine? If so call me. I'd like to hear from you.
QRP, Packet, TCP/IP, Digital voice, Macintosh, Spread Spectrum, Homebrew,
Satellites, Antenna design, Propagation, VHF/UHF weak signal, Microwave, QEX

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: 46-m dish on 432 MHz EME this weekend
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:23:28 GMT

In article <Bxp6rq.5M4.2@cs.cmu.edu> rwb@alexander.VI.RI.CMU.EDU (Robert Berger) writes:
>
>There have been proposals to convert broadcast TV to circular, since
>ghosts caused by an odd number of reflections would be greatly
>attenuated.

Unfortunately there have been more than proposals. Our station is CP.
It was a bad mistake. We have enormous ghosting problems now. CP is 
fine if *both* ends of the link are CP, but there aren't any consumer
CP receiving antennas on the market, and even if there were, people
aren't going to change antennas that have been working well for years
just because one station changed it's transmitting antenna. Radiating
a vertically polarized component has caused us to suffer many more
reflections since nearly every reflecting surface out in the world is
vertical. Things like metal light poles and water tanks and tall buildings
are now giving our viewers fits. It also doubled our electric bill because
CP antennas aren't available in as high a gain as traditional horizontally
polarized TV transmitting antennas.

Gary KE4ZV
From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 80m antenna advice needed (was: Antenna Help)
Date: 24 Nov 92 01:43:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

feg@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (forrest.e.gehrke) writes:

>I don't know what "in the clear" means, but a good ground field
>means at least 100 1/4 wavelength radials, if good efficiency
>and low vertical angle radiation is the object with a 1/4 wave
>high vertical.  

At my QTH, a tower is not permitted.  I have been able to get away
with a 20-foot mast or a 20-foot vertical mounted at ground level.
That is all I can do.  There are no trees nearby.  I therefore 
cannot get a dipole up higher than 20 feet.  I have been told 
that in theory this is not nearly high enough for 80m, 
and my own observations confirm this.

I have tried a vertical using 20 feet of 3/4 inch copper pipe.
With an antenna tuner at the base, it works for 80 better than
the low dipole.

I am currently trying a 16-foot wooden hand rail wound with
wire as suggested by Doug DeMaw in -W1FB's Antenna Book- and
the -ARRL Handbook-.  It will sit up against the brick of the
chimney.  The building is made primarily of wood and stucco, but
yes, there is aluminum insulation and a rain gutter.  I just have
to live with that.  Electrically, this antenna is 1/2 wavelength.
I have only two radials right now and an 8-foot copper ground rod 
for ground.  The books say I need more radials, and I will add more,
but I am limited in terms of space.

Question:  since the antenna is electrically a 1/2 wavelength,
why are radials important?

Question #2:  Other than avoiding 3.5 MHz, what would you
do if you were me?

73 DE KK6MY

-- 

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Randall Rhea                                        Informix Software, Inc. 
Project Manager, MIS Sales/Marketing Systems    uunet!pyramid!infmx!randall
From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: famous hams
Keywords: yawn
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:52:33 GMT
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA

In article <84105@ut-emx.uucp>,
    oo7@ut-emx.uucp (Derek Wills) writes:

| >>9N1MM		Father Marshall Moran (SK)
| >>SV2ASP/A	Monk Apollo
| 
| Are you saying that these people would be well-known to us
| if they were not hams?   Go out into the street and ask
| anyone if they have heard of Monk Apollo, and let us know
| what they say!   Marshall Who??

I was wondering if someone would bring this up...

No, they merely have to be well-known within their own communities.
For example, I wouldn't know most of those Americans from a bar of soap,
but I _have_ heard of Sir Allan Fairhall, VK2KB.  Bet _you_ haven't :-)

The list is open to amendments, anyway.

| >>Tony Hancock, actor (SK)
| 
| This is pretty funny...  One of the most famous "Hancock's
| Half Hour" episodes was the one in which he played a ham,
| I've never heard that he was a ham.  This half-hour show

Popular rumour has it that he played the part so well, he must've
had real-life experience.  I put it there deliberately to see what
would happen in the way of discussion.  Perhaps I should post it
to alt.folklore.urban :-)

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@esi.COM.AU                ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave
           Disclaimer: "Me, speak for us?"
From: alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:04:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Capacitor Question
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:

>Is there any functional difference between capacitors rated at
>different working voltages other than their breakdown voltages?
>I'm putting a kit together and am having trouble finding the specified
>cpacitor values in 16wv. The caps are easily found in 50wv ratings.

No problem other than that the higher voltage cap will probably be
physically larger (may not fit).  With electrolytic capacitors,
after years of service at a lower voltage, the voltage rating may
gradually go down due to "de-forming" of the insulating layer.
In other words, after a few years, the 50V capacitor may become
a 16V capacitor.  (The same thing would happen if you left it on
the shelf.)  

That's why, when you first turn on an old radio that has not been
used for many years, it is a good idea to turn up the AC line voltage
very slowly (over a period of hours).  This gives the filter
capacitors a chance to re-form.

AL N1AL
From: jangus@skyld.UUCP (Jeff Angus)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Jun's Electronics 
Distribution: world
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 15:33:35 GMT
Organization: Grendel's Lair


In article <19130021@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com> efbasham@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com writes:

  > 
  > There is one fact that remains in the Junz (sic) Electronics saga:
  > 
  > The product Axel purchased was clearly used when he received it - yet *HE*
  > did not get the "used" price.  When Axel returned his product, he was
  > refunded the "used" price.

  Since you were obviously there, why did you let Axel purchase it as new?
  Where are your ethics?

  Everytime I've purchased something I've had the sales people open the package
  and confirm the contents, and I've looked through the manual to make sure it
  will do what I want it to do. If that means breaking the original factory
  seal, then I guess that means the package has been opened. That does not mean
  that the contents of the package were used. A couple of minor points to also
  consider, if it was put together and operated inside the store it is a DEMO.
  If it went outside the store and home with a new owner and cam back then it
  is USED. The difference being that as long as the store maintains control of
  a unit, it can say with some certainty that it hasn't been abused or damaged.

xenon!skyld!jangus   < .sig on vacation until winter solstice >
J Angus, PO Box 4425, Carson CA 90749-4425 voice (310) 324-6080
From: garnet@borland.com (Garnet Chaney)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Jun's Electronics
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:19:29 GMT
Organization: Borland International
Originator: garnet@genghis.borland.com

In article <randall.722114360@seashore> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:
>
>Remember that:
>
>1) A retailer is not required to refund anything after 3 days.
>
>2) When a retailer gives refunds on software, he is inviting
>the customer to rip HIM off.  The software can be copied,
>effectively giving the customer free software if the retailer
>refunds it.  Jun's policy is quite liberal and pro-customer.
>
>3) When you buy software, notice the various warnings that
>come with it. e.g. "AS IS BASIS", "NO WARRANTY", "NOT
>RESPONSIBLE FOR DAMAGES", etc.  These warnings are a result
>of law suits from the late 1970's when software was
>first sold at retail outlets.
>

Clothing stores also get ripped off a lot. Clothing is bought, worn to
special event, and then returned. Some workers at clothing stores can
truly remark "That dress has been to more evenings out that I have"....