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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:27:00 EST
From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      re: Robert Smith quote

>From:         Nietzsche is pietzsche <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>

>John sed:

>>Lifted without permission from the Sept 1992 Guitar Player.
>>
>>Robert Smith was quoted as saying "I must confess that I don't
>>remember making a lot of _Pornography_.  We probably drank and
>>took more drugs than we should have - an interesting process,
>>but one that would kill me now."
>>
>>I knew there was a reason _Pornography_ is my favorite Cure album. 8-)

>Just what are you admitting to here?  ;)

All I'm admitting to is that _Pornography_ is my favorite Cure album.
After all, this is a public forum. 8-)

It's just that there's a lot of musicians I really like who were heavily
into drugs at one point and then cleaned up their act.  Almost invariably
I prefer the music they made during their drug period over the music
they made after getting their lives back together.

Please permit me several disclaimers.  This is merely my personal
observation.  I am not implying cause and effect.  I am not advocating
anyone take drugs.  Definately there are people whose music suffered
because of drug overuse; e.g. Syd Barrett, Jaco, and all the ODs who
aren't making any music, good or bad.  If someone has the strength to
get off drugs, more power to them.  I'm happy for them personally.
But it almost always seems that the music they make after their cure
doesn't appeal to me as much as the music they were making before.

>I think that this puts John in the running for our token net.hippy.freak with
>stiff competition (um... pardon the pun) coming from Michael, David and Russ
>and maybe Chuck (if they let him out of the library once in a while).

I'm certainly old enough, sigh.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University

P.S.  Tonight I'll subject the bridge players to McDonald & Giles, which
they should like as they are familiar with King Crimson.  But what will
they make of the Doctors of Madness, he he?  At least _All Night Movies
and Late Night Brainstorms_ should clear out any dart players. 8-)
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:33:47 MDT
From:         "It's not what you know,
              it's what you think you know..." <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      RE: ANNOUNCEMENT

Renato said:

> For all you music lovers who might be in the Chicagoland area during September
>24-October 4, you might wish to check out the MAMMOTH MUSIC & RECORD MART.  Jus
>t received the announcement today. Quote: "Sale of over 400,000 new and used re
>cords, cd's, audio and video tapes, sheet music, musical instruments, and audio
> and video equipment." Proceeds benefit the Les Turner ALS Foundation (Lou Gehr
>ig's Disease).  Music Mart Hotline: 708-674-MART. Address: Les Turner ALS Found
>ation, 3325 Main St., Skokie, Illinois 60076.

Oh sure.... I'll miss this by one lousy week!  Piss me off...

One other thing?  Why is everyone so bitchy today??!!  Is it not the Friday
before a long weekend, or am I just dreaming here?

Oh yeah... and one more thing... I missed you, EdD...

Lets all just get laid...

Luv,
Libby Doe
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From:         I'm scared to reveal my identity <MAMAY@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Confessions
              3 Sep 1992 09:23:04 EDT from <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

Nope, Sonia--

the Color Me Badd confession didn't come from Carol. . .
although I felt like I was transformed into a "weasles ripped my dress"
kind of aura (appropriate Twilight Zone music inserted here)
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Date:         Sun, 30 Aug 1992 15:51:35 CDT
From:         "The Truth (some assembly required)" <T9AA@SDSUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      politics

 Now for something less offending]
Can anyone name any truly political bands that are conservative?  It
always seems to me that art in general and music in particular lean very
strongly to the left.

     Try Skrewdriver, a british hardcore band. Beyond them, I cannot
    think of any conservative or "nazi skinhead" bands (Skrewdriver
    is blatantly racist, if I remember correctly).

     Also, Fripp's "League of Crafty Guitarists" strikes me as vaguely
    fascistic, but I know nothing of his personal politics

Dave
t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet
Truth is our most valuable commodity - let us economize.
              --Mark Twain
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:34:57 MDT
From:         Nietzsche is pietzsche <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      loose my mind and dance forever...

Jeff said:

>>personally i'm not a homo-loving, baby-killing, godless , but i'm not a
>>racist either and I believe reagan did a fine job and bush was fine too
>>would you like to name a democrat who has done anything worthwhile in the
>
>Hey, Kennedy nailed Marilyn Monroe.   That is pretty worthwhile.

ahhhhhhhhhh ha ha ha... thanks for the giggle, Beermeister... i needed that.

Henry, after a billion reviews sed:

>NOW ADMIT IT, ISN'T THIS ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE BETTER THAN ALL THAT CRAP
>ABOUT MICHAEL JACKSON, BOB SEGER, TED NUGENT, ETC.????????

Oh boy... another candidate for ELITE-L, right Michael?  ;*)

OMC:  Is it my imagination or does Led Zep's "Stairway to Heaven" and Gentle
Giant's "Nothing At All" sound suspiciously alike?  And... which came first?

I think I ate too many oysters last night,
Carol
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:20:12 PDT
From:         Mike Masuda <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Underground/Progressive Music

Underground Bands:  Check your local clubs for bands that have a following,
   have innovative music, and have not yet made it big.

Progressive Bands:  Non-existent as far as I know.  Progressive rock of the
   70s have become (if they are still around):

   1) Glitzy Pop Bands like Yes and Rush--Shorter format tunes that have some
      bits of time and tempo changes as well as singalong characteristics.

   2) Jazz.

   3) Dinosaurs that will get together in about 20 years to cash in on some
      of the good-ol-days feeling.

Jokingly, yet not too far from innocence...

 3
M
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 09:00:32 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Nugent/Patriotism

Walter, utterly distraught over Ted Nugent's unabashed jingoism:
>
>As for that song "don't tread on me" I've heard it on radio lately without
>knowing who it was. It basically depressed me, as so much of the world does
>these days, but then I said 'maybe it's a knock on that rambo shit. Now that
>I've been clued in, I'm re-depressed.
>
Aw, come on, Walter, dry those tears. This is Ted Nugent we're talking about,
not some guest editorialist for Mother Jones. Carefully dig out those old
Amboy Dukes albums from your shrine and examine some of the lyrics. Paeans
to world social justice? Criticism of the Nixon pardoning? General blasts at
racism and sexism perpetrated in the media?
Of course not. It was the usual grab-bag of "let's become walking pharmacies"
or "I have the right to engage in promiscuous behavior with as many pre-age-of-
consent young women as I want at any time" and "look at me folks my development
is arrested"  time and time again. Not too many peaks and valleys in his CAT
scan readouts, if you know what I mean. So isn't his latest lyrical regurgi-
tation not so much a sudden departure, but rather a logical next step, from
his earlier work?
You honestly didn't expect him to turn into Bruce Cockburn, now did you? So
cheer up; it was Ted's destiny.
Rick
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:05:27 CDT
From:         Tadpole <U33963@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      re: ALLMUSIC confessional: secret loves and hidden desires
              3 Sep 1992 12:34:01 EDT from <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

On Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:34:01 EDT Sonia Kovitz said:
>>
>> I'll also say that I like most of Madonna's songs, especially from her first
>> album before she got mega-famous.
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>
>I just read your post and I have to say, I am more shocked at this moment than
>any moment since I've joined this net.  After reading all your other posts, I
>just cannot believe YOU like MADONNA!?
>
>Please explain yourself--this is not a flame, just utter disbelief.
>
>Sonia "goin up in smoke"
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:50:39 EDT
From:         Gary Hanley <ghanley@DG-WEBO.WEBO.DG.COM>
Subject:      Re: confessions
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              at Sep 3, 92 10:05 am

More from Lenny Ray:

>also we all took shots at Billy Ray and several others and you kept quite
>what's the deal are you a fan of Page and the plagerizers (just kidding)

	Well, Billy Ray deserved to be shot at! :) But yeah, I like
Jimmy Page and LZ, although I not a big fan, and not offended by
any potshots at them. But I'm sure there are people on the list who
may want to stand up for LZ, thinking they are the greatest band
ever to walk the Earth!
	Yea, that was a shot. What the hell! :)

--
Regards,
    Gary Hanley
<ghanley@dg-webo.webo.dg.com>
From: POELSB@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Ben Poels)
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Subject: Forever Autumn
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:23:26 GMT
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston

In the late 70's one of the Moody Blues (Hayward or Lodge?)
had a solo hit with a song called Forever Autumn. I want
to get a copy of it. Now, I have found it listed on a
release called _War of the Worlds_. I would assume that
this is the HG Wells story but I don't know if it is a
movie score or a musical? Is anyone familiar with it?
Is it any good? Does this song occur on any other releases?

Thanks,

Ben
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My favorites:

Big band, anything (almost )  from the 50's, the Nylons, and almost anything
ac  capella.
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From:         Kevin Sonney <KEVIN.DAVINCI@MHS.UNC.EDU>
Subject: Re: other types of music
X-To:         "David M. Geoghegan" <ALLMUSIC@auvm.american.edu>

Here's what I took to work with me today :

Sisters of Mercy - Floodland
Van Halen - Van Halen
Thrill Kill Kult - Sexplosion!
Bauhaus - Burning from the Inside
Jimmy Buffett - White Sport Coat & Pink Crustacean
Jimi Hendrix - Electric LadyLand
L.A. Style - James Brown is Dead
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Blood Sugar Sex Magik
Wagner - Selections from "The Ring" without words
Jane's Addiction - Nothing's Shocking

Maybe my tastes are too varied??

-=Kevin=-

"I told the Priest -
 Don't count on
 any second comming.
 God got his ass kicked
 the first time he
 came down here slumming
 He had the balls to come,
 The gall to die and then
 Forgive us-
 No I don't wonder why
 I wonder what he thought
 it would get us..."

    - A. Prieboy ("Tomorrow Wendy," Copyright 1990)
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:03:17 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      True corn-fessions

After being mentioned by Sonia, not once but twice mind you, I feel impelled
to divulge my secret list of God-awful music that I like to the group's
scornful delight. Because of the start of classes, my potato-peeling duties
have increased exponentially, and haven't been able to respond much to the
list or to a few of the many fine fine subscribers individually. My apologies.

Yeh, yeh, quit stallin, I hear you say. OK, let me take a deep breath, wipe the
nervous sweat off my brow... here goes:

MY LIST OF MUSIC THAT PEOPLE I KNOW WOULDN'T BE CAUGHT DEAD LISTENING TO:

1. Yodeling  (Swiss, Pygmy or Appalachian, it doesn't matter. To me it's a
                sonic freakshow and I'm a paying customer)
2. Bavarian Volksmusik (for the sole purpose of driving my wife crazy --
                she's from Northern Germany and has an attitude about the
                South)
3. Songs from Sesame Street
4. Perez Prado (self-annointed 'King of the Mambo') -- Llatin rhythms get
              deluged with overmiked high trumpet screams and punches. Perez
              yelps hear and there in all the silences - sounds sorta like
              that great Homer Simpson "Dooohh" yell.
              check out "Marilyn Monroe Mambo". Good for 1/2 a listen at most.
5. TV spy/detective show theme songs (Mission Impossible, Get Smart, Mannix,
              Man from U.N.C.L.E., Secret Agent, The Prisoner)
6. Dean Martin-- "That's Amore", "Everybody Loves Somebody Sometime"
              (great songs to sing loudly to annoy others)
7. The Alley Cat Song -- that reverbed piano sound -- it hits me in a weird
              David Lynchian way. The dance foreshadowed Achy Breaky by about
              30 years.
8. Curley Howard lypsincing that song -- I don't know its title, but it goes
              "B-A-Bay, B-E-Bee, B-I-Bicky-bye, B-O-Bo" and so forth.
              It echoes in the canyons of my mind.
9. Circus music and Sousa marches.-- Nothing patriotic about my appreciation
              for Sousa's music. It can lapse into pure mayhem and I begin
              looking around for some cream pies to throw.
10. Polkas with English lyrics-- I actually appreciate the Polish ones more
              but the English lyrics are invariably awkward sounding, as though
              the lyricist had only a 10-page rhyming dictionary. Classics of
              inanity.

I'll stop here. If anything on this list stays in your mind all day long,
then so be it. It's been in mine for years.
By the way, I despise Sammy Davis Jr.'s "Candy Man."
Thanks Sonia for getting me out of my shell.
Back to the potatos,
Rick
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Date:         Sat, 29 Aug 1992 10:45:37 MDT
From:         Nietzsche is pietzsche <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      RE: REVIEWS
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Dick sed this and nothing else:

>#P

Wow, man... is this some kind of warped minimalist interpretation of what's
happening with this list lately?  Whew... incredibly profound and deliberately
anonymous... ;*)

- C
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:31:02 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      fangs

Even though Madonna is one of the few (I can't say musicians, how about
performers) who actually makes me want to gag, I really like David's response,
especially: "there is very little music that I actually don't like."  That is
TRULY refreshing, above all on this net where we all seem to get awfully
fastidious
about our tastes.  Speaking of tastes, have you ever tried drawing fangs on
Madonna... they look great!

(I did a xerox collage masterpiece of the above, based on our divine friend on
the cover of Vanity Fair a few years ago, enhanced by the reducer and enlarger:
anybody want to paper your boudoir, or perhaps deluxe TP as a gift
for a special friend?)

Sonia
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:00:00 CDT
From:         S_YECK@TWU.BITNET
Subject:      RE: other types of music

for nathan--

I listen to anything that sounds good! (classical, rap, new age, new wave,
rock, heavy metal, etc. etc.)

Meshel    s_yeck@twu
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Date: 4 Sep 1992 17:40:32 GMT
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In a previous article, ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer) says:

>I don't think he hurt bands like Crimson, but if it turned Bruford into
>a Weather Report wannabee, you can only blame Bruford.  In fact, Miles

  Oh couldn't you have tried to leave me out of this?  ;)

  So, which Bruford are you talking about here: the Bruford Bruford, 
or the Earthworks Bruford?  Anything specific you care to mention? 

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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From:         I'm scared to reveal my identity <MAMAY@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Confessions

I confess that I have this burning desire to have a lewd encounter with
Color Me Badd. . .
 OOOh, I feel so DIRTY!!!
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:07:49 -0400
From:         "Russell A. Potter" <rapotter@COLBY.EDU>
Subject:      other forms of music
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I'm up for a discussion of hap or hip-hop -- if there are others out there who
are interested.  I've been listening to rap heaily for the past 5 years, after
a long period when I said I 'hated' it (and of course therefore never listened).
Rap gets a lot of media flack these days, but to my mind its the most creative,
poetic, and musically innovative artform happening today.  It's also very
politically active, in a way that FM rock hasn't been for years -- though of
course there's plenty of rap that's just great to dance to.

Personal faves: Public Enemy (of course), with the Shocklee-Bomb Squad wall
of noise and Chuck-D's megaphone voice, and the hypest political lyrics since
Gil Scott-Heron faded from view.  Also there's the leser-known Disposable
Heroes of Hip-Hoprisy, who blend industrial noise with hip-hop beats and
high-voltage polemics which buck the rap mainstream (they've recorded what
so far as I know is the only anti-gay-bashing rap, "The Language of Violence.").
There are also a great number of women rappers who are even tougher and
lyrically adept than most of their male counterparts: Roxanne Shante, Queen
Latifah, Yo Yo, Nefertiti, Isis, MC Choice, BWP, Salt-n-Pepa, MC Lyte,
Sister Souljah, and Shazzy.

And who can forget Ice-T, whose annual battle of wits with the press and
the forces of censorship gets hotter every year?   Ice is the smoothest
of the hardcore, with beats by Afrika Islam and scratches by DJ Alladin,
he's always hooked to the 'pulse of the rhyme flow.'

Anyway, I'd be glad to talk rap with anyone, pro- or contra- or just
trading favorite rhymes.  I have discographies, reviews, lyrics, and
other files -- some my own, some gathered from here & there on the
net or via ftp.  Why not?

By the by, I never have been able to get a response to the supposed
'funky-music-request' mailing list that always appears on the Musical
List of Lists at the Cleveland freenet. Does it exist or what??

How about a roots-of-rap discussion?  James Brown, Parilaiment, Funkadelic,
Isaac Hayes, the Meters, Booker T and the MG's -- or the carribean proto-
raps of U Roy & Big Youth?

anyway ... enough rambling.  who's out there??

"Once I lock you up, you can't get loose
You put your head inside, and I placed the noose
The mic drips juice slow from its steel mesh
My words feel like hooks underneath your flesh
Makin' you twist and turn, scorch and burn
When will you learn?  The 90's are my turn"

                   -- Ice-T, "Pulse of the Rhyme"

Russell A. Potter / a.k.a. 'professa rap'
English Dept.
Colby College
(rapotter@colby.edu)
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Subject: Re: Guitar Solos

David Gilmour on "Comfortably Numb" on Pink Floyd _The_Wall_
Pat Metheny on "In France They Kiss on Main Street" on Joni Mitchell's
   _Shadows_And_Light_


Bob
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From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Goodbye for now...

Hi all,
        I am going to leave for three weeks, so I wish you all a fond (and
temporary!) adieu.
        I'll stay subscribed, though this may mean OVERQUOTA on my disk...
so you won't have the chance to discuss interesting items and condemn me to
ignorance :)...
        Have the best time possible -- you all!

        Ciao, Marco

OMC: A CD by TNR :) is just about to be issued. More details when I come back,
     though many of you probably know what I'm talking about...
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:01:26 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      who said it

This is just a paragraph out of a book that i thought was interesting

People ask me how i make music, i tell them i just step into it. It's
like stepping into a river and joining the flow . Every moment in the
river has its song. So i stay in the moment and listen.
What i hear is never the same. A walk through the woods brings a light,
crackling song: Leaves rustle in the wind, birds chatter and squirrels
scold, twigs crunch underfoot, and the beat of my heart holds it all together
When you join the flow, the music is inside and outside, and both are the
same. As long as i can listen to the moment, I'll always have music.

I bet no one can guess who said that, but you better try or i'll start
everyone talking about German music again.
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:37:28 EDT
From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>
Subject:      Guitar Solos

Has anyone seen the current _Musician_ magazine?  It contains an article
entitled "The 25 Best Guitar Solos of All Time" (or something like that).
The author asked a bunch of guitarists to name their favorite solo.  Didn't
get anything resembling a consensus.

So, howz, about it ALLMUSICers?  What's your favorite guitar solo?

By way of getting the thread/flameware started, I'll name three:

Pat Metheny, "Unity Village"
Eric Clapton, "Spoonful"
Doc Watson, "Black Mountain Rag"

-Scott "I Bet Y'all Were Expecting Me to Name One by Garcia" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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