HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: d85-hga@dront.nada.kth.se (Hillevi Gavel)
Subject: Re:  Condoms... was Impact of the absent father
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 09:10:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.224610.22640@nas.nasa.gov> choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
>(Hillel) writes:
>>Consumers Report claimed that condoms are 85% effective.  In other words,
>>over one year of using condoms, there is 15% probability for an unwanted
>>pregnancy.  In 7 years, the expectation is more than 1...
>
>I'm sure this is not the place to bring this up ...but what the hell.
>So something I've always wondered about is - Why does using a condom
>constitute safe sex?  If sperm can sneak by, can't the HIV virus?

I read something interesting in the paper this morning: Swedish
Statistics from the first part of 92 had been studied, and both births
and abortations had gone down. The researchers did not feel quite sure
about the cause. It could hardly be that people at last had started to
use condoms to avoid HIV, as 60-70% of those wanting abortations
claimed that they _had_ used a condom! 

(Well, nice to know that we are not the only idiots in the country...
In a way it's quite nice not to have to wonder about what strange
motives one has had to become a parent - but I have to find some other
explanation for number 2).

(By the way, the expectation in 7 years is 1 - 0.85^7 = 0.68. An
expectation of one would mean that _everyone_ using condoms for 7
years would have at least one child. But I guess that someone already
has told that).


-- 
Hillevi Gavel		"The child may not be subject to corporal punishment 
Stockholm		or other abusive treatment" 
Sweden			-- Swedish law
From: sueg@ssec.wisc.edu (Sue Gorski)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Room Temp for Sleeping Infants
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:47:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: daffy.1992Sep30.174742.4985
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Space Science and Engineering Center


I've just started reading this group, and so far have found the information
very interesting and useful.  

Our daughter, Jillian is 4 mos old, and as the cold Wisconsin winter approaches,
we find we are getting lots of advice on how warm to keep the house.  The 
traditional sentiment seems to be to keep the house at 70 degrees day and night
with an infant in the house.

We have a programmable thermostat and in the past have set the night/sleep temp
to be 55 degrees.  While I think this may be too low for an infant, 70 degrees
seems a bit too high in the spirit of energy conservation.

What is a good room temperature for a sleeping infant?  Any ideas on keeping a 
baby warm in a cool house?  What do people do in areas where central heating 
is not common?

We use a blanket sleeper, and lots of blankets.  She sleeps better in the crib
then she does in our bed, and of course space heaters are not safe in this 
circumstance.

	Any ideas would be welcomed via e-mail or post.
	Thanks, Sue
From: ephraim@think.com (Ephraim Vishniac)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Doing nothing (was Re: Cute things they say (21 Year Old))
Date: 1 Oct 1992 16:16:10 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: leander.think.com

In article <BvFLD8.LLz@casper.cs.uct.ac.za> bjohnson@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (B Johnson) writes:
>"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want." - Calvin

A few days ago, I read the last chapter of _The_House_at_Pooh_Corner_
for the first time in about 25 years. Christopher Robin will be going
to school, and he has a long talk with Pooh about how the thing he
likes best is doing nothing, but eventually "they won't let you do
nothing any more."

I found it very poignant (excuse me while I get sentimental) both
because of the recent foolishness about career-minded 4-year-olds and
because my older son is just at the age where he gets to do nothing
less and less. (He was so tuckered out that evening that he fell
asleep and didn't hear most of the story.) He's got kindergarten every
weekday, and soccer on Saturday. He loves all the activity, but there
was also something to be said for the days when he could push his
trains around all day, or sit in his tent whispering to Rabbit, or
just whatever he wanted. 

Read the book, think about it, and take some pressure off your kids.
-- 
Ephraim Vishniac    ephraim@think.com   ThinkingCorp@applelink.apple.com
 Thinking Machines Corporation / 245 First Street / Cambridge, MA 02142
        One of the flaws in the anarchic bopper society was
        the ease with which such crazed rumors could spread.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: day_kevran@tandem.com (Kevran Day )
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:09:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.183608.2668@news.eng.convex.com>, ramon@convex.com
(Ramon Dominguez) wrote:

> I went to school for a year (he graduated after my freshman year) whose name
> was Timber Dick.  No kidding.

And I went to high school with someone name Penny Nichols and college with 
someone named Penny Nickell!  Of course, I'm sure everyone has known a 
Dusty Rhoades or a  Dusty Baker (I have). 

I have a cousin who named her son Justin Daniel.  Guess what his nickname
is?
Just Dan ;-).

My sister went to a urologist named Dr. Hurt.      - ouch!

This could go on forever ;->


Kevran (mom to Jason - 2YO and ??? due in Oct.)
day_kevran@tandem.com
From: lynne@pacersoft.com (Lynne Chantler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: one year olds
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:21:27 GMT
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
X-XXDate: Mon, 28 Sep 92 22:28:49 GMT

In article <9209241509.AA11975@fieser.brynmawr.edu> L.E. Chirlian,
chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu writes:
>	So net.parents, what's your experience.  Did diapering get
>easier when your children could stand?  Will I warp my child for life
>if she cries while I perform some necessary task?:-)  


Grace (now 9 months) came out the shoot with a temper.  She got booted
out the nursery her very first night for rabble-rousing :-)

90% of the time changing her diaper is a wrestling match.  She can arch
her back to the point she is practically standing on her head.  I have
found the easiest way to do this is to sit on the livingroom floor with
my legs spreadout and her legs spead out and over lapping mine.  But
after a bath, forget it, she loves to be naked. It amazes me how much
faster they are with no clothes on! :-)

>She wears her dinner (last night it was stuffed
>shells, which I had never thought of as finger food before).  She
>likes to splash her hands and face after she eats (she will willingly
>have her face wiped this way and she hates when I wipe it with a
>cloth).  I'd just like to know if I'm alone.

Grace loves to give herself what I call food facials.  She rubs it into
her eyes, hair, ears whatever.  She has actually gotten a little better
and only does this when she is tired or just waking up. And she really
hates getting cleaned up, unless of course it's in the bath, which is
where she usually goes directly from the dinner table :-).

Som etimes it's a good thing they are so darn cute!

Lynne
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.books
From: mimi@apollo.hp.com (Mimi Wellington)
Subject: SEPTEMBER KIDS' BOOK QUIZ--SCORES
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:33:55 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

Everyone who took a stab at the September quiz should
give him/herself a pat on the back!  It was a very hard
one.

Thanks to everyone who played.
                                  --Mimi Wellington
                                    mimi@apollo.hp.com

HIGH SCORER:          KEPLER'S KIDS KLUB (14)
2ND HIGHEST:          LAURA WASKO (10)
3RD HIGHEST:          SAMUEL BATES (9.5)

NUMBER OF ENTRIES:   12
AVERAGE SCORE:       6
LOW SCORE:           2
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Re: Car Seats (no, not a FAQ, I don't think!)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:34:51 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

To: 
In article <1992Oct1.175242.15010@src.honeywell.com> jgelhaus@src.honeywell.com (Jennifer Gelhaus) writes:
 > 1.  One of CR's recommendations, in a nutshell, is that a five-point harness
 > be used for infants rather than a shield or bar, both of which may be too
 > high for an infants head. The shield/bar are more appropriate for a large
 > baby or toddler. So, to those of you who have the 5-pt harness kind, do you
 > still like them for an older/bigger child? CR says they're not as easy to
 > get on as the shield or bar so maybe they're not ideal later? I guess I was
 > a little confused by the way they worded this.

My understanding is that the 5-point harness is considered somewhat
safer than either the bar or shield.  We have the Evenflo Ultara-V,
which has the five-point harness (most stores seem to carry only the
bar-type model, but we were able to order the -V from New Hampshire
Buyers' Service... check 1-800-555-1212 for their number).  I don't
know how easy the bar type restraint is to get in or out of, but I
can't imagine it's a lot easier than the system we have.  It takes us
maybe 20 seconds to get Lindsay into the seat, strapped in and
everything adjusted properly, all with mild squirming on her part.  I
guess 10 seconds would be better, but hardly enough to base a decision
on it.

 > 2.  I hear everywhere: "not every seat fits every child so bring the child
 > to pick out the seat," Sorry, can't do that. How do you pick out a seat for
 > a baby that's not born yet, since you have to have it before you go to the
 > hospital? Is there a particular brand that people have found is more
 > accomodating to differently sized/shaped children?

You might think about renting a carseat for the few times you'll need
it before you buy your own.  I think most car rental companies have
them, and the hospital may be able to refer you as well.
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
Xref: sparky misc.kids:24582 alt.sex:31114
From: scylla@ziggys.cts.com (Pam Matthews)  619/262-6384
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Keywords: ** PLEASE READ IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS SUBJECT!! **
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 13:44:17 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ziggy's Den Of Iniquity, East of East SD CA

schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) writes:

} What the original poster described is called "clitorectomy". It
} is rarely done on infants or toddlers, so it should not be an issue
} in adoption. (If you want to adopt an older child, then you are rare
} birds indeed. My complements, but such a child would face additional
} unusual and difficult issues outside of her original culture, in
} addition to the usual traumas of maturing sexuality.)
} 
} The second poster is sadly mistaken in equating circumcision with
} clitorectomy. The equivalent operation in the male would be to
} amputate the penis and peel off some of the scrotum. "Good for
} the gander", my ass.

        The second poster was, patently, an ass.

              scylla@ziggys.cts.com - BBS (619)262-6384
                 Ziggy's Den Of Iniquity
From: celia@ssc-vax.boeing.com (Celia H Modell)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Experiments
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:56:37 GMT
Organization: Boeing Defense and Space Group, Seattle WA

In article <1992Sep30.121543.16643@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, leeba@mot.com (Leeba Salzman) writes:
> really was, she was amazed.  I'm looking for some more "physical science"
> type experiments, appropriate for a 5 yo, which can be done without special 
> equipment.  (e.g. candle in jar to show oxygen) 
> I will summarize e-mail responses if there are any.

I tried e-mail but it bounced.

A couple of things come to mind:

1) Color mixes - Drops of food coloring (yellow and blue make
green) mixed in glasses of water. Or color the water and put a cut
flower in it and watch the flower absorb the water (and the color).

2) Measuring - we measure almost everything :-)  This morning it was
fingers - base to tip of thumb is shorter than base to tip of
pointer finger. This summer when Beth was having trouble in a
swimming class doing 30 feet in a specific stroke, a friend
suggested measuring off 30 feet on the ground and then having dad
(can be anyone with a long stride) pace off 10 paces (about the same
as the 30 feet) and then have child pace off 10 steps and compare.
That one also helps you understand why they are tired when you've
walked the same distance. 

There are a couple of good books (try the library) on simple
experiments.

Please do summarize the e-mail you get.

Thanks,

celia
 
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: wang@ssd.intel.com (Wen-Lin Wang)
Subject: Re: Daycare -- when to investigate?
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:26:07 GMT

In article <2338@gandalf.intel.com> ariel@mom.uucp (Ariel Shattan) writes:
>
>My first child is due in January, and I intend to take full advantage
>of my company's liberal leave policies, but the time will 
>come when I'll need to install the little darling in a daycare
>situation and return to work.  
>
>What I'm wondering is, when do I start investigating childcare
>options?  Do I start now?  Do I start N months before I'll need the
>service? Does whether I'm able to return to work part time for a while
>(I don't know yet if I can) have any bearing on when I start looking
>for childcare?
>
>Please advise.
>

It depends on how long a leave you plan to take.  If you take the standard
6-8 weeks, it's not too early to start some research of childcare options
now.  The longer you wait before delivery, would just increase the stress
and physical burden on you.  Knowing your options, it may be sufficient to
actively register your baby 1 month after it is born.  Nowadays, good 
childcares have waiting lists, it's not a bad idea if you do find one now
and pre-register your baby.  

Wen-lin
>Many thanks!
>
>--Ariel Shattan
>  ariel@mom.intel.com
>
>Disclaimer: This posting contains my view only and does not represent 
>	    the views of Intel in any way, shape, or form.


-- 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: crist@rtsg.mot.com (Cynthia L. Crist)
Subject: Re: Room Temp for Sleeping Infants
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: US
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:01:54 GMT

When our first was born I thought we had to keep the temperature
warmer in the house for the baby.  I thought low temperatures would
be too cold for a baby.  Well he proceeded to get stuffed up and was
having trouble breathing.  Our pediatrician told us that babies are
warmer than we are and sleep better in cooler temperatures.  He
suggested low sixties for the night time.  We made the change and
we all slept better.
From: gorman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Anne-Marie K. Gorman)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: addressing of a step-parent
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:46:41 GMT
Organization: UB

I agree that "Mrs X" is too formal, but I don't think that not wanting a
child to call you by your first name is a hang-up, as someone else put it.
Perhaps you can come up with a nickname (though it's hard to *think* them
up, I know).  I thought of "Maximom" and "Minimom" for my mother-in-law 
(her name is Maxine and she's short). 

Another possibility is a word for a family member from a
different language--e.g. our children will call my best friend "Tatie
Monica" which is French for Auntie Monica.  A friend calls her mother-in-
law "Belle-maman" which means mom-in-law or mommy-in-law (it doesn't
sound as dumb in French).

Good luck!

Anne-Marie
-- 
===============================================================================
Anne-Marie K. Gorman          Sophie and Teresa (9 months old) are standing and
Human factors/ergonomics      cruising!  Time flies twice as fast when you're
University at Buffalo         having twice as much fun.
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
From: iacovone@zeus.franklin.edu (Daniel R. Iacovone)
Subject: Re: Names (Go back to misc.kids please).
Organization: Franklin University (Columbus, OH)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:56:01 GMT

In article <RANNOU.92Sep15220707@watson.info.polymtl.ca> Rannou@info.polymtl.ca (Patrick Rannou) writes:
>I don`t mind articles with "Names" in the subject line.
>But when these articles have NOTHING to do, even from afar, with
>star Trek (or science fiction in genral), well....
>...my mind boggles.

Yes, but with what Star Trek has been giving us, the names deal
brought up much more intelligent articles.

-- 
   ____)                                     Daniel R. Iacovone
  (  )  __    ___  _  .   . __  (___  ___    Columbus, Ohio
    /  (  |   )   ) )  ) /  ) )  )  ) )_     iacovone@zeus.franklin.edu
___(__) \_|/ (__ /_/  //   /_/  /  /  )__ 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rolf@geoserv (Rolf Wilson)
Subject: Re: How to get your child take medicine?
Reply-To: rolf@geoserv.isgs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:19:38 GMT

EMN002@email.mot.com (Mary Beth Northrup) writes:


>The way I get my 15 mo old to take medicine is to distract him with something.
>I have this little ceramic bell-figurine that he is fascinated with. So, I
>put him in his high chair, give him something to play with, and just feed
>it to him on a spoon a little at a time. Usually I'm giving him antibiotic
>suspension which doesn't taste that bad. I think he really doesn't mind
>the taste, but has to object on principle! When he's distracted, he doesn't
>mind taking it at all.

>Just something to try! (YMMV)

   The pharmacy at our HMO gives us syringe-like gizmos that work
like little squirt guns. They work particularly well when you have
medicine to give in the middle of the night.     

-- 
Rolf Wilson     Illinois State Geological Survey    rolf@geoserv.isgs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med,chi.general
From: dfield@zeus.calpoly.edu (Dan Field (InfoSpunj))
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 23:30:55 GMT

>
>Ritalin works reasonably well in a very large population of children
>afflicted with hyperactivity and some fellow travelers. I don't like the
>idea of ritalin, but it is a realtively older medication and often gives
>immediate relief to the symptoms. There are newer medications with few
>side effects, including some strongly opposed by the Church of Scientology.
>
>Are you, Alan, a member of that organization by any chance????
>
>
>Bill Vajk

Why on earth would the "Church of Scientology" be opposed to these
medications?  I'm not familiar with the movement.

-- 

                                -Daniel R. Field
                                 dfield@nike.calpoly.edu

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: wolffie@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Kid Seats on Bikes
Reply-To: wolffie@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:41:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep23.230723.9212@nas.nasa.gov> tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov  
(Leigh Ann Tanner) writes:

[deletion]

> Seats that attach to a bike are not safe for the child at any age.

I'm a regular bicycle commuter.  The idea of a child seat on a bicycle fills  
me with horror, like a lot of other dangerously dumb things I see bikers do.
From: wiebe@ut-emx.uucp (Anne Hill Wiebe)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: free child's admission to Disneyland coupon
Keywords: expires Nov. 1
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:20:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.80867
Distribution: usa
Organization: U. Texas Center for Space Research

I just came back from Disneyland with my 4 1/2 yr old daughter; 
the net.wisdom was right, we had a ball!  Only wish we could have
stayed into the evening, but we had a pre-wedding dinner to
attend in Santa Monica (oh yeah, the *wedding*, after all that's
why we came, right?? :-))  It's a Small World was closed for
regular maintenance :-(, but Elizabeth *loved* Dumbo, the
They're animated and wonderful; there's even hot lava flowing near
the tyrannosaurus/stegosaurus battle!!  We had to go past the
dinosaurs numerous times.  When you're hot and footsore that
sounds just great, just go round and round ... Oh, and we
brought cheese Pepperidge Farm Goldfish, which Elizabeth ate all
day; we also ate at the ice cream parlor which was wonderful.

Anyhow -- an offer:  I ended up with an extra coupon for FREE
admission to Disneyland for one child, good till November 1.
A child's admission is $23; I got two coupons from a grocery
promotion where you got a coupon for buying $25 worth of
groceries (we were staying with a friend in Santa Monica). I 
certainly cannot return to Disneyland within the next month
(wish I could!) and would be happy to send this to anyone who
will.  There's also an attached coupon for $99/night at the 
Disneyland Hotel, which is also a deal. We used one coupon and
have the one extra to give away (child age 3-11, must be
accompanied by an admission-paying adult).

E-mail or phone me:  anne@csrux1.ae.utexas.edu, workphone
(512) 471-5573, homephone (512) 450-1694, and I'll be glad to
mail this out to the first person who asks.
-- 
Anne Hill Wiebe (anne@csrux1.ae.utexas.edu)  When in danger or in doubt,
(512) 471-5573, 450-1694                     run in circles,
Center for Space Research                    scream and shout.
Xref: sparky misc.kids:25078 misc.education:3545 k12.chat.teacher:4048 sci.med:18458 chi.general:1229
From: johnnyb@flamingo.ims.com (Johnny Battle)
Subject: Sugarbabies
Reply-To: johnnyb@flamingo.ims.com
Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:19:55 GMT

The Wall Street Journal of Tues. Sept.22 has an interesting report 
on some recent research on giving sugar to babies.  Dr. E. Blass 
of Cornell has found that giving sugar to newborn babies reduced 
crying by 50%.  They theorize that the sugar stimulates production 
of natural "opium-like painkillers" in the babies' bodies. 

"It's like turning a switch; the babies quit crying the instant 
you give them just a small amount of sugared water," says Barbara 
Smith of Johns Hopkins. 

The strongest affect was found with sucrose and fructose; and they
found that even very weak concentrations of sugar water worked. 
Strangely enough, lactose, or milk sugar, did NOT have the calming
affect.  The article related these findings to the traditional
"sugar teat," sugar wrapped in cloth, which mothers used to give
their babies to suck.

I think sugar has gotten a bum rap in the past couple of decades.
A book called "Sugar Blues" theorized that eating refined sugar could
cause hyperactivity and depression and many people stopped eating
sugar altogether and forbade their kids to have sweets.  Yet, lots
of research has been unable to connect sugar consumption to anything
other than tooth decay (and this is avoidable by brushing your teeth).
I have known parents who liked to blame their kids' acting-up on sugar.
But several studies have found that not only does sugar not cause hyper-
activity, it actually has a soothing affect (I'm sorry I can't give 
you the references).  Sugar has no nutritional value, and it seems 
obvious that parents must make sure kids don't eat sweets to the
exclusion of nutritional food (no desert until you eat all your vegies).
But sweets are fun to eat and basically harmless, and they make great
rewards.  So lighten up folks, and enjoy.  

***********************************************************************
Johnny "Sweet-Tooth" Battle                     "Refined sugar for 
                                                refined perception."