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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 13:21:33 -0600
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Suggestion for the archive
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On Wed, 4 Nov 1992, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> the reason for having all that stuff in gopher?  Most of the files in

Because (a well-designed) gopher archive is about a million times easier
to use than the same material in ftpspace. Check out the eff's gopher
archive to see what I mean. It doesn't offer all their archives (but I
hope it will soon), but what it does offer is arranged sensibly, with very
helpful explanations given. It also offers a gopher gateway to the list of
all known gopher servers in the world. Gopher will eventually supplant ftp
as the preferred mode of retrieving files over the net.

-abh
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:44:18 GMT
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Subject:      Re: Fun for all
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In article <9211100310.AA18661@epas.utoronto.ca> "(Agnes Kruchio)"
 <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA> says:
: >
: > > Don't let your ideology get in the way of common sense.
: >
: > I won't if you won't.
:
: Ideology? Moi? Not me - just charitable - and pragmatic.

Pragmatic?

There's nothing pragmatic about shipping outdated pig iron computers to
third world countries when you could send a high end PC cheaper and
have it last longer and be more useful while it does last.

Charity without thought can be as much hindrance as help.
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>Dear God, give me a kill file that works on listserv so I can block this
>religious tirade!
>
>-abh

AMEN!

Carolyn
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:08:09 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: legislating behavior (was amendment 2 ...)
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On Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:17:00 CST, "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
 <TA0SHK1@NIU.BITNET> wrote:
> established church?  In the United States, churches are voluntary
> associations of people.  Congregations can (and I think do) fire
> ministers or split over questions of doctrine, and what you
> describe as a discriminatory action I might view as exercise of
> freedom of association.  OTOH, if it's an established church you're
> talking about, I can understand how you'd view such an action as
> some sort of official condemnation.

Ask Ruth what the policy would be in her church, and whether its
established.

> If the people who pay for a school system want their schools to
> favor monogamous heterosexual relationships as an approved model
> (perhaps because they believe such a model works better according
> to some standard,) don't they have that right?  Is that any different

Yes, if it's a fee-paying private (usually religious) school.  Over here
most schools are state-funded, but we have our own draconian legislation
that makes it a criminal offense to counsel gay children.  They have to
get their information outside of school if they can.

> As I perceive it, some of the "homophobia" in the U.S. is driven by
> fear of AIDS; some of it is motivated by religious concerns, and

It seems to me that the fear of aids is more often driven by the
homophobia, or rather that it's used as a stick to beat us with.

G
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:03:11 EST
From:         Bill Merrill <ST401601@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Biblical thought for the day...
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From Tony:

>So while we're on the Sermon on the Mount, what's the original
>like for Matthew 5:17-19 ?
>
>  Do not imagine that I have come to abolish the Law or the
>  Prophets.  I have come not to abolish but to complete them.
>  I say to you - until Heaven and earth pass not one dot,
>  not one little stroke shall disappear from the Law until
>  its purpose is achieved.

". . . until heaven passes, and earth, not one iota  or one
dot shall pass from the law until all things come into being."

The actual words for the letters of the law he uses are iota
and keraia. The latter is from the word for "horn" (rhino-keros
= nose-horn) and means "something that projects like a horn."
The lexicon suggests that this refers to the apex of a letter.
The Greeks did not dot their i's; perhaps in the Hebrew
alphabet there are corresponding "I" and "squiggle," and
together they might have some meaning wrt the law for someone who
reads Hebrew.

>  Therefore the man who infringes
>  even one of the least of these commandments and teaches others
>  to do the same will be considered the least in the Kingdom
>  of Heaven.
>
>Sounds as though every little word in the OT is to be obeyed
>(for the next little while at least).

Indeed it does.

I wanted also to get back to Graham's "prayer in the closet." He is
of course perfectly correct in locating the chapter and verse.
What Jesus says is, "When you pray, go into your 'tameion' and
upon closing your door pray to your father in privacy." 'Tameion'
in Classical, rather than New Testament, Greek means 'the public
treasury.' Its meaning evolves through magazine, storehouse,
storeroom, reservoir, and finally to chamber, closet. But the
last two meanings had citations only in the OT (Gen. 43.30, al.),
Matt. 6 and Lk 12.3. Graham hasn't said which version of the Bible
he's quoting from, but the archaic English dates it earlier
than Liddell and Scott's Greek Lexicon, suggesting to me at
least that the worthy lexicographers got those meanings from that
translation, rather than the other way around.
C.L. Grimm's NT Lex has for 'tameion' "an inner chamber, a
secret room." I don't know a thing about the archaeology of
ancient Palestine, so that while I can't say exactly what
room in a Biblical household 'tameion' corresponds to, I imagine
a modern equivalent would be 'office,' based on the word's
primary meaning of 'treasury' from Classical through Imperial
times.

*PERSONAL OPINION WARNING*
So what's this with praying in secret? I think what Jesus
is saying here is that a person's relationship with God is
an entirely private one, and that upon retiring into your
"inner sanctum" or whatever, it's just you and your God alone
with no middlemen involved. It doesn't sound to me so much
a prohibition against praying in the synagogue, as it does
a continuation of his previous condemnation of ostentatious
displays of piety.
Bill
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Date: 12 Nov 1992 06:38:00 GMT
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In a previous article, gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK (Graham Toal) says:

>> >OK, who's going to start the Roddy Llewellyn/Princess Margaret jokes off?
>> >
>> I would if I knew any.  What's a Roddy Llewellyn?  And isn't "Princess
>> Margaret joke" redundant?  [maybe I shouldn't have said that....oh well]
>
>RL was Princess Margaret's lover a few years ago.  There were several
>jokes going round at the time, which I doubt you would approve of since
>almost all of them for some unknown reason included the word 'bugger'...
>
Like Bogie said, tell 'em, Graham - if you can take it I can take it.  
Ask Judith about the vampire jokes...and the one about a certain carpenter
and the Jerusalem Hilton....

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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:29:52 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Camille Paglia
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On Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:19:45 GMT, "(Jim Thomas)" <jthomas@NETSYS.COM> wrote:
> I find her a tiring bore/boor. Among her gems include: 1) spousal
> violence is a non-issue;

Haven't heard her comments.  I suspect she's talking about women who
deliberately stay in an abusive relationship when they have the opportunity
to leave, which is something I have a great deal of trouble understanding
myself.

> 2) Women provoke rape;

Haven't heard those comments either.  Out of context, it does sound stupid.

> 3) Date-rape is a product
> of feminist propaganda, and

She was saying the separate concept date-rape was redundant.  Either
it's a rape or it isn't.  If it's a rape, even if it was on a date, then
it's a rape full-stop.  From what I understood her to be saying, some
people call it date-rape when a woman willingly has sex but in the
morning decides she only did it because she was put under social
pressure, and retroactively cries rape.  If I've misunderstood her,
please correct me, but if that's what she was saying then I tend to agree.

> 4) The entire history of western civilization
> has been awaiting Camille to interpret it. She rankles some because of her

A new viewpoint is always worth considering.  Don't want to be accused
of having closed minds.

> simplistic views and gross distortions of facts. She's a skilled
> self-promoter with little of subtance. I base this on seeing her on

I liked the comparison drawn between her and Madonna.  Much as I've
always detested Madonna's music, I've become more and more impressed
by her subversive form of feminism.

> talk shows and reader her works. She's quite shallow.

I like shallow people.  Shallow is good.  Shallow works.  Preserve
us from 'deep' people is all I can say.

G (Relieved to have found something to disagree with Jim over again ;-) )

PS This is only first impressions on hearing the woman talk once.  She
may turn out to be a total asshole, so don't hold me to these opinions...
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 07:05:39 EST
From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      The Gleanings?
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Where are Akio's Gleanings (67)?  Maybe his part of the highway
is closed too?

brad
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From: jthomas@netsys.com (Jim Thomas)
Subject: Re: Standardizing Shot
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:07:20 GMT

In article <01GQIOEKQ9CG000EH4@IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE> STEC8033@IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE writes:
>I regret to have to inform Jim T. that while it is true that rabies do not
>exist in Ireland or the U.K., they have reappeared in continental Europe and
>are moving west.  The general belief here seems to be that with the
>sentimental attitude towards dogs and cats here, rabies will reappear here
>in the next couple of decades.

Hmmm......this post came through before (check out the 20 Oct date) and
it appears again? Bill, your info is not happy news. As I recall, those
who wanted to bring a dog into Ireland had to place it in quarantine for, I
think, 6 months. I don't know the quarantine period for snakes.......

Jim (kennel's are just k-9 jails) Thomas
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Date: 11 Nov 92 04:37:49 GMT
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Doesn't say a lot, does it.  Tel him to take it to alt.conspiracy...
From: TANAKA%JPNSUT20.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (Akio Tanaka)
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Date: 5 Nov 92 05:21:00 GMT
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Greetings from Akio's office in Shinjuku, Tokyo.  He is one who
knows that Marilyn, the mystery woman is real, or is she just a
figment of Akio's imagination?  Will the puzzle never end?

Let me just say that Akio insisted that I write you folks since
these kinds of spacial displacements seem to confuse you and
lead to mental disarry.  Yet we hope, truly, that the message
will entertain more than distress you.

Marilyn, the ubiquitous, who is wherever you want her to be.
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From: jthomas@netsys.com (Jim Thomas)
Subject: Re: HELLO!
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:12:13 GMT

In article <Pine.3.03.9211102127.A25108-a100000@Joyce-Perkins.tenet.edu> Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU> writes:
>On Tue, 10 Nov 1992, James R Llewellyn wrote:
>
>> I have been sitting at this deity-forsaken computer for at least two
>> hours wading my way through literally thousands of messages on your
>
>Aww, man, another newbie. Am I gonna have to be nice again so soon?

Hope not. The worst thing that could happen is if you, I, and GT all
mellowed out for a few days at the same time. I'll promise not to if
ya'll will.....

Jim (Where does the newbie stand on Toad the Wet Sprocket?) Thomas

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From:         Bill Merrill <ST401601@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Biblical thought for the day...
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Graham on the Sermon on the Mount:

>But I'm having trouble interpreting it.

I'm not surprised. It's not a very good translation.

>I know I should take it literally, but for the life of me this
>sounds like a prohibition on praying in Church...
>Should Christians *really* go back into the closet?

Although you make your point well with the idea of homosexuals
and Christians coming in and out of the closet, Graham, I don't
think people should take a passage literally or otherwise unless
they know exactly what the words mean. Let's have a look at the
Greek, shall we?

>Mat 6:5
> And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for

Jesus is not talking about prayer here. "Eleemosyne" means alms. The first
element of the word should be familiar from Kyrie eleeson, "Lord have
mercy." The verse really says,
"And when you do alms, don't sound the trumpet before you, just as
the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets so that
people see them . . ."

> they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the
> streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you,
>They have their reward.

> But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast

"Closet" is a strange translation of "kryptos," the verbal adjective
of "krypto," "to hide, cover, cloak, keep secret."  "Shut thy door"
comes from thin air; these words are not in the Greek. Is this the
King James version? I'd have hoped that it was more accurate.
Again, the passage should read,
"But when you do alms, let not your left hand know what your right
hand is doing, so that your alms may be in secret. And your
father, seeing [this done] in secret, will reward you."

> shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which
> seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

I think that Jesus was condemning conspicuous and often hypocritical
displays of piety, not telling his followers to go pray in a closet.
The point is that people interpret the Bible in various ways,
but unfortunately their interpretations sometimes are based on
translations that do not reflect the clear, usually precise
Greek of the original. Bill
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From:         "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS"
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Subject:      Re: Thanks to Rita -abh pltkn and America

Yes, Rashmi, but don't forget that Newark is completely Reagan and Bush's
fault...they lived there, and they didn't take care of it.

JMW
"Taxes are never levied for the benefit of the taxed."
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From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      Gennifer Online!
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This comes from a service we receive here at the office.  I thought some
of you might find it as interesting as I did.





============================================================================
SUBJECT:  GENNIFER FLOWERS GOES ``ON-LINE'' IN SPECIAL PENTHOUSE SERVICE FOR
          COMPUTER USERS; PENTHOUSE PREVIEWS SERVICE AT COMDEX IN LAS VEGAS
SOURCE:   Business Wire via First! by INDIVIDUAL, Inc.
DATE:     November 12, 1992
INDEX:    [5]
----------------------------------------------------------------------------


  NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE) via First! -- Gennifer Flowers, the night club
singer who caused a campaign sensation by disclosing her alleged 12-year
affair with President-elect Bill Clinton, will go ``on-line'' to computer
users -- with photos and words -- in a new state-of-the-art service
developed by Penthouse magazine starting Monday, Nov. 16.


  The service, called Penthouse OnLine, will be previewed at COMDEX, the
computer trade show in Las Vegas.  Participants and press at the trade show
will be able to chat with Flowers between 11 a.m. and noon (Pacific Time)
every day from the 16th through the 18th.  They will also be able to view
several unpublished photos of Flowers from the Penthouse photo shoot.


  Penthouse OnLine users can contact Flowers in ``Gennifer's Room'' in the
Penthouse Chat area.  She'll be available, from a remote location, to answer
users questions on a variety of topics relating to her stunning and frank
16-page Penthouse feature.


  Penthouse OnLine is a new, state-of-the-art system featuring high speed
(9600bps) capabilities and realtime graphics that permit nearly
instantaneous viewing of photos.  The system also has electronic-mail
service to which pictures can be attached.


  A sign-on kit for a subscription to Penthouse OnLine is available for
$27.95.  Monthly fees are $5.95 plus 20 cents a minute access charges in
most areas.  There is no 9600bps surcharge.  Orders can be placed through
PLI, 324 West Wendover Ave., Suite 200, Greensboro, N.C., 27408 or by
calling 800/289-7368.


  Editors Note: Photos available upon request.


  CONTACT: Monica D'Agostino or Debbie Forrest, 212/687-1765


[11-12-92 at 13:19 EST, Business Wire, File: b1112132.301]
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From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: To Neal and To Brownies
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>      So Blommie, how was lunch with Mama Primate?  Enjoy the salad?  And did
>      you tell her the (not really difficult) secret of your name?
>neal    traven@pittvms                  Bitnet          412-624-0097 (office)

Oh, Neal! I had already learned all that stuff way ahead!
(Of course, I keep calling him "Bromberg"...I am *seriously*
baseball impaired!)

Yes, he had salad, although the waitress interpreted his
"tuna salad platter" as "tuna salad pita" and brought him
a sandwich. We got that corrected. I had a big, juicy,
hamburger, with mushrooms and onions and french fries :-)

Graham, this is the place we went for hamburgers, btw.

Blomberg is a fine addition to the Rhode Island Wordies, who
are planning a Welcome Blomberg! party for later this month.
We'll let the Massachusetts and Connecticut people know when
the date is set...

love, judith
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Grungy city
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> I agree it's a beautiful sight, Natalie, but how do you keep
> control of the car at a time like that?...

My fourth-grade teacher asked me during recess one day how I was managing
to play kickball (which we called soccer, but it wasn't really soccer),
eat an apple, and do "around-the-world" with my yoyo all at the same time.
Brain compartmentalization?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Elaine M Brennan <ELAINE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: To Neal and To Brownies
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>>
>>Spats... hmmm... was that the burger bar that had no burgers?  Or the
>>one across the road with the adorable & intelligent <wait-persons>?
>
>Oh...yeah...no burgers...was that at Spats? I was *very* upset.
>Here I'd promised this visitor from across the sea Real American
>Hamburgers, and they were "all out of hamburgers"...
>But I'd repressed the memory...Did we eat there after all? I
>can't remember...it all seems so long ago...
>
>judith, who must be getting OldTimers' disease

It was Ruby's that had no hamburgers (even though I *still* say
that in general Ruby's has better hamburgers than Spats does)

Elaine, who still isn't done with her books ...
From: 185422285@UCIS.VILL.EDU ((Alec D. Plotkin))
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Date: 12 Nov 92 15:48:00 GMT
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>	The tail may be cut off sometime soon; I'm sorta mulling over whether
>	to get rid of it, now that <everybody> has them.  When I started mine
>	in 1988, it was quite the rarity.

Keep the tail. It gives you a certain character between the Harley-Davidson
rider Hippie with a touch of Jerry Garcia. Looking like all others
is no fun. Are you keeping the beard ? Men and maybe women in Words-l must
have beards. It is sorta part of the look.


later

bearded alec
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Date: 7 Nov 1992 21:25:09 GMT
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In a previous article, fwp@CC.MSSTATE.EDU (Frank Peters) says:

>In article <9211071423.AA27541@Ra.MsState.Edu> "Natalie Maynor"
> <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU> says:
>:
>: I think we've discussed this before, but am I the only one who tends to
>: overlook responses that extract from an earlier note and start the response
>: without skipping a line?
>
>I find Ruth's responses a lot easier to scan than JAG's.  I still
>haven't managed to figure out his system yet.
>--
Neither has Gubert, which is the main problem.:-)

Ruth "Clear like mud, and easier to read" H.

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