From: kniaz@rt2.cs.wisc.edu (Joel Kniaz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese Nationals Came Before 4/1/90 Will Have Greencard.
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:08:29 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <1992Apr9.060918.5885@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.022733.10664@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>, kniaz@cat3.cs.wisc.edu (Joel Kniaz) writes:
><
><	I am of the opinion that anyone who has the ability and intention 
><	to contribute  to the welfare and growth of this country should
><	be allowed to immigrate.
>
>So am I.  I'd go so far as to open the borders completely.  (Would you?
>I doubt it, and I'm quite sure that my FGNC flamers would not.  Doing so
>would greatly increase the competition for them!)  

	You are right.  I would not open the borders completely.
	As for how 'far' you would go: considering your well-known
	intention to bail out of this country, you don't have much  
	credibility as having a real investment in its future.

>What I can't stand is
>dishonesty.  Lying to congresslime (like Pelosi) and immigration officers
>about the situation in one's country is dishonest and should not be
>tolerated

	I don't remember seeing congresswoman Pelosi's name mentioned
	in either the article, or the legislation.  You have synthesized
	an unsupportable,  unrelated non-sequitor to object to this much
	needed legislation.   This  would  tend to reveal your biases...

>--especially when it worsens one's country's international image
>(and therefore one's countrymen's standard of living).

	Since when have you been concerned about "one's country's 
	international image?"  You have  been bashing 'your' country's
	international image for years.  (Until you do emigrate, this
	country is still, technically, yours)

	I do not mean to imply, however, that you have necessarily been
	dishonest or inaccurate in your criticism.

><       I am totally unconcerned about the 
><	rationalization or political posturing  that may occur toward 
><	achieving this goal.

>How is the proposed legislation going to help us in "achieving this goal"?
>It will quite simply result in favouritism for PRC citizens.  And that
>favouritism is not justified.

	Insofar as the goal consists of widening  the borders to 
	those having the "ability and intention to contribute to 
	the welfare and growth of this country," this legislation
	certainly would make progress towards "achieving this goal."

	As for your implication that I am biased towards PRC citizens,
	this may be true to some extent (my SO would certainly benefit 
	from this legislation), but from a practical standpoint, I will
	support any such legislation for those from other  countries
	fulfilling the aforementioned criteria.  Of course, it shouldn't
	be such a surprise that we have not been discussing immigration
	policy towards other countries on this group...

>					--Scott

					--Joel

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